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of the most active agents of the King of Spain,— to have done all he could to get the Bill passed. Mr. W. WYNN rose to order. If this were in tended as a bad and miserable attempt to joke he did not care for it; but if not, he would say that, to call him an agent of the King of Spain, was a foul and libellous imputation. (Cries of " Order.") Sir R. WILSON wished to be allowed to explain. If the Hon. Member bad been in the House during the discussion, instead of coming in at the end of it, he would have heard him state this fact,—that Mr. Canniag had declared this Act to have been passed at the desire of the King of Spain ; and with this de claration before him, he was justified in calling all those who had acted in conformity with the desire of the King of Spain, the agents of 41)e King of Spain. He (Sir R. Wilson) did not wish to say any thing that might give rise to unpleasant feelings ; but when the Right Hon. Gentleman was so ready to complain of language that had been used towards him, he might have been a little more cautious in the language which he had used about men who were quite as honourable and quite as generous as the Right Hon. Gentleman himself, and whom the Right Hon. Gentleman had branded with the terms " hired as•sassins " and " hired murderers."— (Cheers.) He would tell that Right Hon. Gentle man, that persons had from the most generous mo tives drawn their swords iu the good cause in foreign service, because they had no opportunity of doing so in the service of their country.--(Cheers.) Me was the best judge of his own honour. With regard to the present law, he would say that it was a disgrace to the Statute-book. Mr. W. WYNN said when any Hen. Member told him he was an agent of the King of Spain, that Hon. Member asserted what was not true. He felt himself bound, in defence of his own honour, to say that the charge was most unfounded. There was one point, however, on which he felt it necessary to offer explanation. He did not apply the term murderer to any person who engaged from . zeal in any contest whatever.—(Hear.) —He applied it to those who were hired, and to those young men who entered foreign service as an amusement, and as the best way of seeing the world. He would not detain the House further. He did - not think there could he any harm in an individual entering foreign service, but he did think there ought to be a power to pre- Tent numbers of the subjects of this country doing the same. _ _ _ Mr. PEEL regretted very much that the discus sion had given rise to any warmth on either part. — It was fortunate, however, that the warmth had existed where it had, for a world of explanation must be sufficient to allay it. No individual could have been named who was less likely to draw his sword 11 a cause of which he did not highly approve, than G-Alant Friend; and, on the other hand, he did sincerely believe that there was no one more unlikely to support the interest of a foreign power, to the *lisadvantaae of his own country, than the Right Hon. Gentleman. ,Nr. R. GRANT contended, that whenever the subject was further discussed, the military branch of the question ought to be distinctly separated from that whieh was merely commercial. Mr. HUSKISSON said that Mr. Canning had acted, not upon the requisition of the Crown of Spain for the adoption of the specific course- in question, but upon its application for the perform ance of a previous engagement. _ Dr. LUSHINGTON, as the conduct of Mr. Canning had been alluded to on this subject, would just state a very few facts by which he thought all doubt richigiat he satisfactorily concluded. He him self had been one of the most strenuous oppponentc to the Bill; but nevertheless he was bound to do *dee to the motives which induced its enact ment. In 1814, the late Marquis of London derry had entered into a treaty with the Crown d Spain, one article of . which had been, that England should give no assistance, lay arms or :. mmunition, or in any other. way, to the rc *mired Spanish colonies. Afterwards, when the apOication came from Spain for ..the execu atm of this treaty, in ordei to check the levies which o.vere ,going on in Ireland for a i ls service of South America, * discussion had arisen, whether-we were bound to enact new laws fer the purpose otWfilling it, of whether ,we might not refer the Spaniards to , the laws already exieting on the subject, and deny that we had ever any intention of ever going farther. )I,ekv this might eertainly be called in one sense a 0" sevisition from the Xing of Syain; but then it -yeas nee a requisition that England s,bould adopt any new measure, but merely that she shouid ;hide by *ter engagement of 1814. After a few words from Mr. LAWLEY and Dr, 3..tlstiliaaToN, the letition was ordered to be printed. Mr. MAXWELL presented a petition from the wo rking sawyers of 11,11.502, complaining that they w ere ,ruined by the intreduct4 ( nf machinery. Sir J, GRAHAM presented a petitien from Mel ton, agaioat the Small Notes Bill. D r , pHICLIMORE presented a petition 6;; 1 the vicar, c h u rehwardens, and trustees for building churches, ,f the weieh of St. Pancras, against the new Additional Citutreliss Bill. The petitioners stated that the parish had si.rody laid out 100,0001. for building churches, and had is iiied their church rate as 'nigh as &I in the pound. Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a petition Ppm the churchwardens of the parish of Camberweil, 44 I favour of the Additional Churches Bill. Mr. HUME was not surprised at the church wardens petitioning in favour of the Bill, because it gave them the power of tuzing the parisi: without its own consent. The CHANCELLOR of the E.V e CHEQUE4 O intended to give abundant time for the etenzideration iof all its provisions by the House. Mr. HUME moved the printing of a petition which bad been presented ea the 20th of June, pray ing an i uiry into the state of the Birmingham Court of 4 1/4 nests. Mr. BRO - OHAM said, that there W 44 some objection to printing the petition, as it attackw eeveral individuals rather violently by name. Ir. HUME would look over the petition again; but he Wished it to be printed, as the abuses of the court in question called loudly for referm. Mr. HUME presented a petition from the Rev. Peter Ferry, a clergyman of Devonshire, praying an inquiry into the fees and Administration of the Ecclesiastical Court; of Exeter. Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from Colonel Bradley praying for xelief. The petitioner had been deprived of his commission after 20 years` t:ervice in the West Indies, and was nen- imprisoned under a sentence of the Court of Kir.g's Bench for libel, almost reduced to beggary. Aftcr a few words from Mr. Hume and {rte Eir H. HARDINC; in answer, which were not distinctly heard in the gallery. The petition was ordered to . 3ie on the table. UNION WITH IRELAND. Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD, in rising to maws copie; of the correspondence between the English and Irish Governments at the period of the Union, observed, that before stating the reasons wbidb, as he conceived, iiPtAeditim in calling the Attention of the House .to 0141 particular branch of the genexal uuestion affecting ,tite 1101111ot Catholics of Ireland., kri begged to say, once ft.: r.,11, that it was not his .intentiog on that occasion to re..c.4 - 4-;;,;!ie subject of the Catholic Claims. For years he'hati + proposed to make this subject A distinct subject of di3cussion. It waR necessary to 44 . .. e character of persons who had .6114 olevated stations n ae coun try, that the question should be set fit did not pretend to take any partiaar interest in the character of Mr. Pitt, whose political sentiments were so different from his own, and who 4ad be longed to the other side of the Douse; but withoup reference to Mr. Pitt'o-gene,ral ,character as a Mini ster, he was quite .ready to pay a full tribute of ad miration to the large and statesmanlike views with which he (Mr. Pitt) had contemplated the Union between thig country and Ireland. The Sight Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Secretary Peel) „stated, that " he denied that Mr. Pitt, I.crd Cas tlereagh, or Lord Cornwallis, ever gave any pledge to the Roman Catholics at the time of the Union, with respect to the concession of their claims, or any expression that implied a pledge, by which word he meant not a written pledge, or solemn and offi cial promise; but such an understanding or assurance as would be equally binding in honour and justice." Now he was at issue with the Right Hon. Gentle.; man in this point, and should resort to the best au- thority—that of Mr. Pitt himself—to prove that the contrary of the Right Hon. Gentleman's asser tion was the fact. He took the word " pledge" in the sense attached to it by the Right Hon. Gen tleman himself, lamely, as an assurance held out by the Government of England to the Irish Catho lics, to the effect, that if the Union between the two countries should take place, the concession of the relief which they sought might be expected to follow that Union; and looking at the matter in this way, he considered it to be strictly binding. upon the national honour. In 1799, Mr. Pitt introduced the question of the Union in the British Parlia ment, trod in doing so took occasion to advert to the then condition and future prospects of I eland, and to the circumstances which had forced the Union upon us. To effect this object the Le gislature of the two countries passed a formal Act, but the policy of the measure was to be deduced from the speeches and explanations of Ministers. Except it was meant to contend that engagements might be entered into and assartiaces given without any necessity existing for their fulfilment, he thought it impossible to get over the ease made out by the words of Mr. Pitt upon this occasion. It was true a pamphlet had been published by a person who ge nerally prepared a pamphlet for every fresh discus sion of the Catholic Question; and on this publica tion the Learned and' Very Rev. author alluded to the opinion of Mre Pitt in rather an extraordinary manner. Mr. Pitt had said, " No man can say, while Ireland remains a separate kingdom, that a full concession of all the claims of the Roman Ca tholics can be made with security to the country." " Reader, gentle reader (continues the Right Rev. author), this is all the evidence of Mr. Mitt's pro mise to the Roman Catholics; what Mr. Charles Butler has been able to discover in all the speeches ever delivered hy that Statesman, .and on this small scrap he bears his inference that after the Union it was intended to make full concessions to the. Roman Catholics." This w as the Very Rev. Gentleman who made charges of double dealing against the Jesuits, and a more Jesuitical passage he (Mr. M. Fitzgerald) had never read in his life than the one just quoted. After treating Mr. Butler with this levity, the Very Rev. author proceeded to treat Mr. Elliot, whose name was closely connected with this-, subject, in a similar manner. Mr. Elliot, who might he supposed, by means of his official knowledge, and his intimate acquaintance with Lord Castlee reagle to be well acquainted with the subject, had expressed a strong opinion on the question,—" It is true, indeed, that no bond exists, but expectations were held out to the Roman Catholics, and some thing like a promise, which in my mind ought to be more binding than a formal bond." • This was the importaut declaration of Mr. Elliot, and the com ment of the very Rev. Divine was, " How some thing like a promise can be more binding than an actual promise or bond, and that not so much upon the party making it as upon. others, is utterly beyond my comprehension." Now, this was a suggestio falsi. Mr. Elliot had riot said that the promise was not more binding on others, than on the party who used it. There was nothing more indecent than this attempt to misrepresent the sentiments of Mr. Elliot for the purpose of sneering at,them, and nothing more presumptuous than this attempt to get rid of his au thority. No one was less disposed to treat subjects with an. unnecessary display of pedantry than himself, but when he had to deal with big-wig authors like the Very Rev. Pamphleteer, who pretended to so much research, he hoped he might be excused for attempt ing to prove, that the great• writers and jurists, without exception, laid down principles to his view of the question ; and he hoped the House would pardon him, if against these insolent sneerers he're ferred to the highest authorities. The opinion of Puffendorf on the subject was so precisely stated that lie hoped a reference to it would not offend even his Hon. and rustic Friends, and if the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, the Attorney-General, were present, he would appeal to him as to the propriety of quoting Puffendorf. The Right Hon. Gentle man proceeded to quote the authority alluded to in the promissio impellecta, and among others read a passage stating that in the case of -a contract be tween two states, which .had been confirmed, and in which, some formal technicalities were omitted, the promising party was compelled to perform them in equite, though not compellable by law. With re spect to the obligation of a promise upon the suc cessor of the party originally making it, the same authority laid it down as a rule that a contract en tered into by any state, where the supreme power was in the hands of more than one individual, continued valid, even though the persons exercising tl?e Government when the promise was given were elniege4, because it was always considered one and the same state. That was the spirit in which Mr. Elliot had answered Lord Castlereagh, and he evi dently thought that the obligation rested not only on Mr. Pitt, bet on his successors. In proposing the Union with Ireland Mr. Pitt distinctly held out expectations to the Roman Catholics, that Success heir claims would result from the Union. Mr. Pitt, in inproducing the subject to the British Par liament, went into the existing dangers of Ire land, and explained at length the general policy and enlarged views with which he contemplated the Union between the two countries; and if lie never left any other record of his ability behind, his speee4 ?pen . that occasion would have been suffi- A ee e ..4torip him as a great Statesman. It should be abserve4 t,bct *r, Fox had previously assented to the principleof preeming the connection between the two countries, and Mr, Pitt aelpowledged, and thanked his political opponent for that concession. " He cordially agreed with hint (Mr. Fox) in that qinion, but would add, that he did not barely wish for dig *tv omplishment of the Union, in order to preserve the g•elnaaetion between the two countries, or to increase the germer4 strength of the empire; but mainly with regard to lep.O . interests of Ireland; and for • the purpose of giving it flue importance as a member of the United Kingdom,? In inakiiai these statements of the uniform language of Mr. Pitt, he a'i'r, F.) should have thought it all surplusage to dwell at 44ei - Oli . upon time subject, if •it had not been for the extreme /4eiqieis advocated by the Right Hon. Gentleman. On toet weeount, it might be necessary to quote ano tker paeseg; kq prove that M e . Pitt not only contemplated um his own mind the .admiseioel of Roman Catholics to the privileges of the State, but 42 - 9 meant to convey that impression to theirs. In reference to tI role feeling ,existiag in Ireland among person s of erent religious opiaiene, Me. Pitt said—" If struggles of this sort, on account of religi r en, were allowed to cone;rree, the worst dangers must recut Tien) them, Srarl sittatiGLlS reipht arise when the same ,me,atte of, relief aus were axoNv appiigalole might not be an opr power."—(Propliege wo,r4)-.•:" The only sound remedy, according to the liestsaeaY!,,4,e reason and i policy, was to identify the nhahltenes iht country with ourselves, by impar tin g to them 4 Share of those blessings so generally diffused throughout great Britain. This plan was equally necessary witia esfe,eppee to , the removal of the existing e v il, and for the kwiecey. pf guarding against future danger." Such were taie reiieeiced expressed.opi nions of Mr. Pitt. - The faCtrafas; kmea ,tlys kaeg ; Limns were properly united, any attempt to make re,. golatiene with respect to the internal state of Ireland was a ViCliatiO4 of her independence. Mr. Pitt was aware that the peon - ion enemy eensidered Ireland as the weakest part of our Empire, and eddt-lb " that whoever reflected on that amid other ctrettnistancea must at orate perceive that there was no cure fee t h e mischief but by the formation of a General Imperial Legislature, which, unintioenced by party prejudice . arid remote from local animosities, might take into consideration measures for the general good ;" and larther this great statesman added, "that it was necessary for the roithiry's good to guard against tbf continuance of the present evils by the adoption of another system." Did Mr. Pitt mean, nothing by this ? If on such a subject he had used such ex pressions without a meaning, then was he the silliest of men. He was ashamed to quote further, but this one passage was too important to be omitted : Mr. Pitt said," The consequence of the great leading dis• tinctions subsisting in religion in Ireland, and of the hostile feelings arising out of theni among the professors of each, was, that the Protestant feared that any further extension of privileges to the Catholic would overthroW his ascendancy, while' the Catholic felt the existence of the Established Na tional Church as a grievance ;" but here Mr. Pitt went further, and ventured to say, "between these two it was matter of difficulty to say, whether as thingsthen stood, it was better to comply with the fears of the former,' or to grant the claims of the latter!" These circumstances were considered Mr. Pitt as evils, and for these he proposed a cure. Had it taken effect ? Had not this evil rather aug mented ? Mr. Pitt said that he looked to the Union as the cure, and added, " that no man could enter tain a doubt as to the question respecting any at tempt at religious regulation in Ireland being more satisfactorily settled after the adoption of that re medy—that no one could believe that full conces sions could be made to the Roman Catholics, while Ireland remained a separate kingdom, without pro ducing general alarm,: and giving rise to conse quences that might endanger the State." This was the passage referred to in the pamphlet of the Very Rev. Divine, to whose performance he had already alluded, and what he asked was the meaning of this passage? Could there be a doubt as to the infe rence to be drawn from it, that Mr. Pitt intended to concede the claims of the Catholics, and make that concession a consequence of the Union. Let it be recollected, that the expressions referred to were those of a man so accurate in his language, that it had been said of him, he would be able to speak King's speech off hand. That speech of Mr.. Pitt was printed by the King's printer, and several co pies of it were given, to hien (Mr. Fitzgerald) by the Irish Government, for the purpose of having them generally circulated throughout the Catholic counties. The Catholic Question was, for some time after the rebellion, so unpopular in Ireland, that no one dare mention it in the Parliament of that country ;' for Mr. Pitt, therefore, to hold out any distinct pledge to the Catholics, would have been madness ; it would have roused the appre hensions of the high church party, and most probably have altogether prevented the Union.— Lord Cornwallis was sent to Ireland in the course of the rebellion, not only with the confidence of the King, but expressing in the fullest man ner possible the sentiments of the Ministers— No sooner had he avowed his opinions, than he was opposed by all the strong Protestant interest, who calculated that they would be'able to drive him from Ireland, as they did in the case of Earl Fitzwilliam, and Sir Ralph Abercrombie. It was a fact that they had actually forced Sir Ralph Abercrombie from that country, merely because he had put a stop to the licentiousness of the soldiers. .It was his (Mr. M. Fitigemld's) happening to he high in the confidence of Lord Cornwallis's Government, and from his own knowledge, he could most distinctly state that the violent opposition offered by the Pro testants had such an effect upon that Nobleman, as to induce him to contemplate leaving Ireland. The Right Hon. Gentleman well recollected that Lord Castlereagh came to him one day with, if not a rnes-;. sage, at least an intimation from Lord Cornwallis, that it. was his fixed intention to resign the Lord Lieutenancy; in consequence of the faction formed against . him ; and at the same time, it was further communicated to him, (Mr. F.) that that faction had resolved to re-enact a great portion of the penal laws from which the Catholics had been re lieved. The Right Hon. Gentleman was naturally struck with dismay at the fate which appeared to await his country ; and Lord Castlereagh having as sured him that the'only condition upon which Lord Cornwallis could consent to remain in Ireland was this, that them should be some expression of public approbation of the principles of his Government ; Lord Castlereagh at the same time suggested, that he (111. Fitzgerald) who was not then in office, and who was, - therefore; less likely to be influenced by the Government, should get up in his place in 'Podia meift and express his approbation of the conduct of Lord Cornwallis, and it was also Arranged that upon this Lord Castlereagh should, on the part of the Government, say, that Lord 'Cornwallis would adhere to the principles which he hitherto adopted, and declare his determination not to be dismayed by any faction. This expedient was resorted to, and it had its effect. The Right Hon. Gentleman, after alluding to the letter written by Lord Cornwallis to Lord Fingal and Doctor Gray, said, that all doubt of the support which the Catholics had given to the Government-at the time of the Union, must be re moved by the following letter of Lord Cornwallis to the Duke of Portland, then Secretary for the Home Department (Private) " Dahlia Castle, Dec. 1, 1800. " My dear Lord—The tune is now approaching when the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland is to assemble, and the people of Ireland, who have long suffered all the horrors that treason, rebellion, and sectarian rancour could produce, look forward at pre: sent to that meeting with composure and confidence. 1 am too well ac q uainted with the spirit of benevolence and liberality which actuates his Majesty's Councils, to doubt the earnest desire of the Cabinet to apply the most effi cient remedies to the evils which have brought this Island to the brink of ruin, and to which (notwithstanding a degree of temporary remission that has been obtained by the exertions and the modificaton of the Government) no permanent or radical cure has been hitherto applied. And I feel it to be my duty, in the station which 1 hold, to lay before your Grace such opinions as an anxious and an at tentive observation during the eventful period of my Lieu tenancy have enabled me to form. " Although other causes of much less importance have occasionally contributed to increase the discussions which have agitated this country, no man who is acquainted with Ireland can deny that the violence of - religious animosities has been, and still continue to be, the principal source of all its miseries. "-The tract which Lord Castlereagh submitted. to your Grace on the great Catholic Question is so clear and able, and so entirely comprises every material argument that can, in my opinion, be urged on that important measure, that I ,phall not trouble your Grace by any farther reason_ rug s a sOjector Iyhich you are fully in possession. " It will, I am iorst4o, be equally unnecessary for me to express my apprehensions that the qi;cston, if unnoticed t:.e by Administration, will, in all likelihood, be taken up by the Opposition in England 'oon after the meeting of the Imperial Parliament. As the probability of such an event, and the mischievous consequences that will attend it, must so forcibly occur to your Grace and his Mjesty's other 'confidential seevant.F, as to induce you to take any means in your power to prefer your claim in time, . and to secure to Government the mansgeniept and the ultimate credit of the measure, whenever Parliament shall think fit to take Oil business into its serious consideration. I am a ware that the sentiments pf a man, who came so lately, almost a stranger, to this country, will be received with diffultmee, 3 and that it may he proposed t o co nsu l t the more ell e -ienced Irish politicians before it is absolutely determine) that any decisive measure shall be adopted. ie That there are we n of ! rest talents w h o h ave bug held high stations in Ireland, I will readily ad F rit ; but on c ertain points, lam afraid that the strength of ancient, apti ntay sa' hereoail prejndices will warp their judgment, ;4;47,0 better of t h e irunderstanding; 6 ' They assert ? 444 ; fton) high authority 01.1000 them, that the Catholics of Ireland, of lotion of this country, never can be good subjects to a Pro,. testant Government. • What, then, have w e done? We have united ourselves to a people whom we ought to have destroyed. eseertion, however, is not warranted by the con duet bt . Thk VatiintigP ;;; the late political contest on the n: . easnre of the Union,' when tber Certainly hid it in F l ,e;;' power to have frustrated the Views of Governinent, anq, throw tie country into the utmost confuson; and'l have dotik even if the Protestants have hitherto, with justiCe, accused there of obstinate and irreclaimable disaffection, acc o . . that the gro - tinds of these c harges will lie completely done 31 ,:r a y when the former feel tileurze; s "es no longer the object of suspicion, aq are relieved &on! thei - t : present mortifytlli and degrading exclusloni. I have the honour to be, St. c. " His Grace the Duke of Portland. " COM•INVALLT§:' " Dec. 1, 1800." After SQMe further remarks the Right Hon. Gen demon concluded by moving, " That an humble Addressbe presented to his Majesty, praying him to give directions to lay before this House extracts of the Correspondence between the English and Irish Governments, relating to the Roman Catholics, at the period of the Union." The motion having been seconded and put, Mr. Secretary PEEL rose. He should not enter into - that part of the Right Hon. Gentleman's speech relating to the pamphlet .of Doctor Phil potts, or his quotations in opposition to the Doctor tiom;Grotius and Puffendorf. With respect to pam phlets generally upon the Catholic question, if they must be alluded to in debates in that House, perhaps the most convenient course would be for Hon. Members to compose one themselves.—(A laugh.) He did not mean to deny that Mr. Pitt was a friend to Catholic emancipation, provided it were accom panied with the securities he might think the relative conditions of this country and Ireland, and of the Catholics and Protestants might require. The only point at issue for the purpose of this night's debate was, whether Mr. Pitt, and the persons who acted under his authority, gave either a distinct pledge to the Roman Catholics, or held out expectations tan tamount in noble minds to a positive pledge that, by promoting . the Union, they would obtain Catho lic Emancipation. When lie denied that such a pledge was ever given, or such assurances held out, lie did so from positive documents, and the authority of the individuals themselves. — He (Mr. Peel) was ready to grant to the Right Hon. Gentleman, that he believed Mr. Pitt, Lord Cornwallis, and Lord Castlereagh, entertained ex pectations that carrying thUnion would facilitate Emancipation, for they could not fail to see the dif ficulty that would lie in the way of that' measure, with a Legislature to deal with constituted as the Irish Parliament was. It was well known that Mr. Pitt retired from office shortly after the Union. The Right Hon. Gent, had referred to three individuals, certainly the most important that were concerned in that transaction. He had referred to Mr. Pitt, who was at the head of the Government; to Lord Corn wallis, who was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland ; and Lord Castlereagh, who was the Representative of the Government in the Irish Mouse of Commons, and the principal agent in bringing the Union about. Indeed, lie might say, that he did not believe that there was any other man in the British dominions who could, in 1799, the period when the Union was first proposed, have succeeded in the manner he did, for there was not one who possessed in the same eminent degree, the combination of ability and temper by which he was distinguished.— heers.)—lt was such a man only that could have overcome the monstrous opposition with which he was met in the Irish Parliament.—(Cheers.) —Before .he went farther into this question, he• would first beg to inform the House that, during the last two or three days, he had referred to the whole corre spondence, extracts of which had been moved for. As he meant to oppose the motion, he did not think himself at liberty to make use of any of the infor mation he thus acquired; but he could not help saying that however favourable the opinions enter tained of Lord Cornwallis might be, these documents would. entirely confirm them. The Right Hon. ,Grentleman here alluded to the .retirement of Mr. Pitt from office, not, he alleged, in consequence of his having pledged himself to the Catholics, but merely because he did not carry a great public ques tion. The Right Hon. Gentleman went on to say, in 1805 Mr. Pitt returned to office, and the Roman Catholic Question was brought forward in that House; and of all the speeches he had ever heard made upon that question, splendid as they were, he never heard one which made so great an impression on him as that of Mr. Fox on that occasion. Dr.Duigenan followed him, and Mr. Grattan, he believed, spoke afterwards, but never charged Mr. Pitt with a breach of faith. How came it, if he had given a pledge, that Mr. Grattan did not call upon him to redeem it ? Mr. Grattan must have known all the facts that attended the Union, yet in 1805, sitting in•that House, he had not called upon Mr. Pitt to vote with the Catholics. Cie would now beg to ask, what were the expres sions of Mr. Pitt himself at that time ? The Right Hon.• Gentleman would find that, although they established the importance Mr. Pitt attached to the question, yet that they also showed that he did not conceive that he had entered into any obligation towards the Roman Catholics, which prevented him from re-entering office without making the Catholic Question a sine quit. non. ' [The Right Hon. Gentleman here read a part of Mr. Pitt's speech, denying that he had given any pledge, and asserting that he came to the discussion perfectly free and unfettered.] These words were conclusive, and if he (Mr. Peel) placed the same confidence in the character. of Mr. Pitt that the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite pro. fesserl to do, it was impossible for him to say that Mr. Pitt was fettered by any pledge. [The Right Hon. Gentleman here read an extract from Mr. Fox's speech, to shew that he agreed with him in opinion.] There was one correspondence to which the Right Hon. Gentleman had not alluded, to which he begged to call the Right Hon. Gentleman's atten tion. There were two papers circulated by Lord Cornwallis in Ireland, one sent by Lord Castlereagh, and the other, having been drawn up by Mr. Pitt, was sent by Mr. Dundas. Those papers explained the views of those in power. to the Roman Catholics, and recommended them not to seek to effect their object by violence, for that Mr. Pitt would certainly in that case oppose them. These papers were, how ever, misconstrued, and Lord Castlereagh wrote to Lord Cornwallis in 1801, before the question of re signation was thought of, to explain those papers, and place upon record what passed previous to the Union.—(The Right Hon. Gentleman here read Lord Corawallis's statement, from which it appeared that he considered no favourable answer had been given to t);re Catholics by Mr. Pitt.) —This was a very material authority to spew that no pledge was given. The. only. other authority which he had to refer to was, that of Lord Castlereagh. That indi vidual challenged any one to come forward to say that pledges were given the Catholics. On the 25th May, 1810, Lord Castlereagh said, in the presence of two of. the Right lion. Gentlemen who bad brought forward this motion, . Lord Castlereagh next proceeded to complain of the insinuations too often falsely and ignorantly thrown out, of given to the Roman Catholics on this subject at the time of the Union, He condemned the practice of idly imputed breaches of faith on loose grounds, which tended to excite a sense of injury, as well as disappoint ment. It was singular if such pledges bad Ever been given, or promises made, that none of the patties to whom they were addressed should have come forward disCnetly to claim their execution ; he asserted that none such existed, to his knowledge, and he could venture to mike the same assertion on behalf of those with whom he had acted. " lie did not mean to say, that many of the Roman Ca tholics did not form, and naturally form, sanguine hopes that further political indulgences would follow the Union, founding such expectation on several of the speeches de livered in Parliament at the time, and on the general lan guage held,,-that their claims would tw discussed in the united Legislature with less prejudice, and that the ques tion itself would then come forward, stripped of many of its local difficulties; but these speeches could only conclude the indiridtials Wh o mit the partiqi ne , 4 , pv spade them, They could neither co —)m tht governmeut, whose tannage 4nif9rlPli Mrt that it was a question which must remain for the unfettered w i s 4 pni of the United Parliament to di* - pose PC; and to pqinto . y Ives Mr. Pitt's language on this gulled, th at , When opening the me a su re, after setting forth el the immediate advantages of • union, be expre•sly argued, th a t it wou ld be more safe, in an united Legislature, either to concede, or to refuse the Roman Ca- tholic claims." Ile t,h2upl•it that the extracts he had read of the . ls. themselves , were speeches th,e individua e of •Oe''question.' -(ThF Right Hen. Gentle- man here referred to the letter of Mr. Analas, alluded to in the speech of time Hon. . Mover, which a partial noise re nd e r e d a lmostipaudible in the gallery) He had no besitatiAn, no difficulty, in saying should tlte b it e i g e h a t r r d o , h n . gentleman, that if his motion —e copld not 'produCe the documents in question. Mr. Dundas had not been • Secretar7 of State for the Home Department, but for the Colonial Department, and taking for granted, because stated by .the Right Hem' Gentleman (Mr. Fitzgerald) that it bad been written, he must, never theless, declare that he feared it was impossible to produce it, for there was no record of it in the Home Office—no record 'of it in the Castle of Dublin— none in the Colonial Office—(hear)—and, after all, it was not of very great importance, for it professed not to speak the sense of Government, but merely Mr. Dundas's. own views. He must say, that in relying on reports of Parliamentary speeches, and upon public declarations of official men, the Right Hon. Gentleman had laid no foundation for the pro duction of the private and confidential corres pondence of Ministers. Should the motion of the Right Hon. Gent. be agreed to by the House, he (Mr. Peel) should certainly feel it big duty to com ply, but it would be with, extreme reluctance. He believed he could• satisfy the Right 'Hon. Gent. that nothing could be -no inconvenient, nothing So unwise, as to recall the expressions and feelings of parties at such an unhappy period. ,. .. (Cheers.) He thought it would be a matter of little difficulty. to convince the Right Hon. Gentleman that it would be better even for the interests held in view by the Right Hon. Gentleman himself, that his motion should not be carried. The published correspond ence was within the reach of every man. Govern ment had no right therefore to be called upon to produce it, and the private portion of it could not certainly be produced without the risk of reproducing all that excitement which he was sure the House would agree with him it was highly expedient should be suffered to remain at rest. (Cheers.) 'These were the grounds on which he opposed the motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman. (Cheers.) Mr. O'BRIEN supported the motion. Earl JERMYN supported the 'clause at con siderable length, but .in a tone of voice so low as to be almost wholly inaudible in the gallery. We understood the Noble Lord to say that the Catho- lies might be divided into three classes—the Nobility and Gentry, and the agricultural population. Now, he would contend, that to these three classes did Mr. Pitt hold out specific expectations. Sir J. BRYDGES opposed the motion. Mr. RICE rejoiced, from the admissions made, and the information it had elicited, that his Right Hon. Friend had brought forward his motion. The Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. Peel)• had relied as an argument against the motion, upon the ignorance of Mr. Grattan of any pledge or expectation. But of all men Mr. Grattan was the last in Ireland who could he expected to hear of it. Not only was Mr. Grattan opposed in Parliament to the Union, but he had actually placed his life in jeopardy in conse quence of the demonstration of his enmity to that measure. Could it be believed therefore that Mr. Grattan could have been cognizant, much less the confidant, of any such treaty or understanding (Here the Hon. Member, to shew that expectations had been excited, referred to certain declarations of Lord Castlereagh and Mr. Elliott, in one of which the latter had said that "something like a promise had been held out to them (the Catholics) which was in his mind even more binding than a bond." He (Mr. Rice) nevertheless advised his Right Hon. Friend not to press his motion to a division, not because he doubted the importance of the documents in question or their bearing on the subject, but that the result, should the motion be negatived, would be received in Ireland as a defeat of the Catholic Claims, which question the people of that country would consider was 'the. real topic then under 'dis cussion. Mr. Secretary PEEL and Mr. RICE mutually ex plained. Mr. M. FITZGERALD, yielding to the reason ing of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Rice), should beg leave to withdraw his motion. The House assented, rind the motion was conse quently withdrawn. SAVINGS BANKS' BILL. The House then resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House on the Savings Banks' Bill. Mr. F. LEWIS objected to the clause restricting the amount of the annual deposits in the' savings banks to 301., and the total amount to 2001. He should therefore move, as an amendment, that when the total sum of the deposits in savings banks should amount to fifty millions the Commissioners of the National Debt should lust be allowed to invest any more of that fund in the Public Securities. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER defended the restrictive clause. . Mr. HUME concurred in the sentiments of the Hon. Mover of the amendment, but wished him to withdraw it, ,s he then would propose that the in terest on the deposits in savings banks should be 2d. per cent. per diem. Mr. ROBINSON expressed his concurrence in the vietvs of the Hon. Member for Aberdeen. Mr. F. LEWIS agreed to withdraw his amend. ment. Mr. lIUME then proposed that 21d. instead of 2id. be the interest allowed, id. per cent. per diem to pay the expences. After some conversation, Mr. HUME withdrew his amendment, and the other clauses were then agreed to, with some verbal amendments. The House resumed, the Report was brought up, and ordered to be taken into further consideration on Monday next. The Committee on the Additional Churches' Bill was postponed to Tuesday.next. The other Orders of-the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at a Quarter to Three o'Clock. ?LIVERPOOL, ATLI( 2.—The sales of Cotton to-day, a mount to 1,000 bags, and no change in the prints. No less than three rats were catght in a trap at Cowfold a few days ago at one time, being probably an almost unprecedented occurrence.—Brighton Gazette. The Marine Artillery stationed at Portsmouth have received orders to proceed up the Mediterranean, to take possession of a Turkish Island.—Brighton Gazette. RETAIL BREWERS.—SeveraI persons are going through the country informing against the retail brewers for supplying their customers with beer, after nine o'cicck in the evening ; the same being contrsry to the Act of Parliatment (5 Geo. 4, cap. 54, see. 11) which inflicts a penalty of 20/. for each offence.— Chelteoskam Chronicle. A new mail coach from this city to Chelten ham is to start on the sth July, going add returning on the same day.--Bath Chronicle. PHILOSOPHY.—If you wish to know whether any body is superior to the prejudices of the world, ask him to carry a parcel for you. DIOGENES LAERTIUS INN us a story of his great namesake, that being once requested by a certain young gentleman to teach him philosophy, he gave him a piece of cheese to carry ; upon which the other immediately declined to receive his instructions. It is a common practice amongst farmers to allow a half-starved cat the shelter and range of their gra naries and out.houses, for the sake of the services she may perform in keeping in c heck the sur p lus p o p ulation of rats an d mice. The desolate a nd ne g lected sta te of these crea tures tends in many in stances to rende r them very fierce and voracious. A n a g riculturist in th e vicinity of Ker i, which o f two had iligi been'tl' by* t a n n iit a te n r i l ma to l takeof the up inine,t on , Lit,colnshire, a short tinie since, had nine p chickens, and s i x or eight flue (lucks, destroyed in the course a i b t: t ve lua d r e te e r ' s iP in the form-yard and stables.—Hull Packet. - t A Russian man-of-war left Spithead last Thursday, which during her stay there ex.eited consider able attention. She was seven feet clear between decks. All the iron stantions and knees were kept highly polished, and she w a s a lt oge th e r in the finest state of equipment. i m ilit e c ' e of her ret rea t, it returned home for Two of the men who were punished aboard, received the lashes without taking off their shirts. :eßekriy: greyhound l To z ctt i ej SINGULAR l'ApT,,--I.iast bitch, in the possession of Mr. Ruts A IAJOIt, of Muston, whichfiordhic.h had on been miwssatc ing lie fu d r s t o o rn t e he ti a yard deep, where she had pupped eight whelp.. In one was discovered she had scratched a h ole iota q, I ,, ;ik above of her journeys I l etwe.en the hale 4Pd the farm-house, she had wiro a hire, and eaten a pat t °fit, when Mr. Mason, jun:, disc Overing it to be with young, took it from her, and liberated tour young onus by opening it; they were alive, and are now likely to live, as they continue to feed very heartily upon new milk,--4inii packet, THE MARKETS. COUNTRY CORN MARKETS DURING THE WKKIC, ';* ' , NV heat. Barley. Oats. Beans. ____--- ---- ---/ Per Utiarter. s. to s: s. to s. s. to s. s. to I*, NOTIC Blamiford Brigg. Cambridge—. 59 30 14 31 ; ~„4 4e on SA Chard --... 56 66 32 38 24 30 42 4 ,„' • .r...VE1., 0 , Huntingdon Long Sutton.-- 42 55 17 23 37 4 , - ta ''"riiiion Louth.. - st) 54 24 30 14 20 38 t 'jilt shall„ Lynn 44 56 30 32 16 24 34 :I°. , 7,18. Newark .............. 51 56 27 33 18 27 41 4b Nottingham IS 62 35 42 30 44/ 41 5./ • ~,, khibitors Peterborough*.,... 40 60 26 30 18 25 - llitesth i ,„•ohlii Plymouth —........ 54 61 27 31 19 23 "' - ~,--_--- Pontefr act — 53 23 4' l'ittN i N i Sleafor‘l .—......—.. 50 53 17 20 40 4 ii ,., s-T., Uppingliam Wisbech _ ~ 46 57 25 27 ,16 23 38 4 2, 44„ p' L LIVERPOOL CORN EXCHANGE.—J u Iy 1. F ilitr "•( At this day's market we have had a thin attendanr 6 , it NOV( and very few sales have been made of any description 6 3 0 89 isi a .. "l ir :Norfrio,,ottt:tur k eene,s p ,:t r Eih niu dissct ( c , Grain, although a decline of fully 2d. per 701 b. on WbrA L 'AtWItENC . and -d. to ld. per 451 b. on Oats, was submitteel to. / 0 Artists, bat .s. all other articles no decided alteration can be noticed, Frapp e. „ WHEAT, per 701 b. 3. d. 's. ii. Upen.dai Fine Sweet Old English & Welsh, white and red 86 to 1.1 4 ----........_ .--.. New (crop 1527) Fine Old Scotch and 'Alaux Irish, Old -- New red...6,10d. to 7s. 66 sup. white 7 6 8 I) ~ wEs Canadian, fine qualities Foreign (duty 'raid) superior white tine high-mixed red " 8 0 4144 , at the Rusaidn and mild. qualities 7 9 8 - on T Foreign (in bond), imported since July 1, 1827... 4 6 4 8 ..... ;Anti% Y OATS, per 451 b. "C/C/Si - N( Fine sweet English, Scotch, &c. Irish, 1826 0 0 0 2 b Middling and ordinary ditto and Welsh 2 7 ' 2 8 ), totition ; Irish, (crop 1827) • Foreign (free), trench, &c. Foreign cap i t mg the :,'. BARLEY, per Imperial quarter. Fine Malting ____ Grinding, per 6011 m. Foreign (duty paid), ditto PEASE, white boiling, per Imperial quarter ---.-- grey 'l2 0 33 U Foreign, in bond BEANS, Fine English per Imperial quarter...— 42 -0 , 44 0 -- Scotch, Irish, Dutch, &c. 4B 0 42 0 Egyptian and inferior Foreign 37 0 39 0 MALT, Fine 'Norfolk and Suffolk, per Imp. qr 5B 0 61 0 Middling and interior qualities ....... 52 0 44 0 Irish 52 0 56 0 FLOUR, English, fine and superfine, per 2901 b 42 0 • 43 0. Irish ditto ditto ' 39 0 *4'l 0 Amer., supf. sweet (in bond) per band 22 0 95 t) • -- Dantmc ditto ditto ------- Canadian (duty paid) 32 0 31 0 Foreign, soar OATMEAL, English (MIN.) 245. to 265....... Old 21 0 23 0 Scotch Irish Rys„ per Imperial quarter, English and Foreign 32 0 34 0 INDIAN CORN, white, per qr. of 48olh. yellow and red RAPESEED, Irish, per last l9l. 0 201. 0 IMPORT OF GRAIN for the Weox ending June 30. • Wheat. Oats. Barley. I Malt. I Beans. I Pease. I Rye. 10404 Ors. Qrs. Qrs. Qrs. Qrs. Qrs. Qrs. Loa& ;819 5,753 415 125 25 35 2013' flour, 2,333 sacks, barrels. EXPORTS. ley, o—Beans. o—Pease, 0 qrs.—Flour, 1,50 g bap TH E TION of NEY PII ROME. Chimney at the Loa also tray •very des Patent La Martyr az Dish Covi • Bun pul the dame GESS at best actin tronage o all elimal foreign on aommend pveventin been MO with thei their sign JOHN taueb-eat to be pre given the Wareb London. ~~ CAI An es krisseels charges Yard-wi bo and tii bo perfini Yard-wi be 14 0 The J Kinds, I Table ( slanketi 4 e. Din IN ti Oil yaalitiea fracranc Become 4tion d It well 4a -ball !cleanta it the I vocal a liertuan Mad, FA COOP Article itipesio UPIiC ~~AB~I 13H1P. PII4O o.tt,, 100—Bar LEEDS COHN 31A EIKE:F.—JuIy 1. We had a moderate supply of Wheat, but the fine weatbet had a considerable ctfect upon the Trade, and caused the buyeri to purcha.e very sparingly, and the little busines' dons was in good fresh samples at Is. per quarter decline , and all other descriptions were entirely neglected. —l O Barley, Oats,,Shelling, and Beans, there was scarcely auk' thing doing, and prices nominally the same. Wheat, Norfolk and Suffolk, 001 b. York. and Lincoln. fklb. Barley, Norfolk and Suffolk --- Yorkshire and Lincolnshire Grinding Beans 63113. 38.= to 42p: g Oats, Potatoe --Waling, Foreign 11d. to 1241....Eng1i.h 11d to 14' 2 d. par s‘; Shelling 27s. to 291, pet Wag' . Rapeseed, English, 2U/. to '231. BIRMINGHAM MARKETS..—Jets 3. COEN AIAItKET.-We have had a moderate supply of all descriptions of Grain this day; sales very dull.--Wheal 6s. 44. to 7s. 2d. per ,6211. ; Maley 30s. to s2s. ; Malt .525. to 625. ; Pease 425. to 445. per Imperial quasi' ter; Beans 16s. 6(1. to 18s. per bag 10 score gross; Oats 3s. Od. to 3s. 6d. per 391 b. ; fine Flour 435. to 44a. ; Seconds 38s. to 395. per sack of 2801 b. CATTLE MAEYET.—A full average supply of fat Beast" , for which late prices were obtained ; but few Stores in the market ; a large supply of Sheep, sales dull, and no ww terial alteration in price ; a full supply of Pigs of 0 11 kinds, prices stationary.—Beef to bid. ; INluttoo. 51-d. to Gad. GLASGOW RETAIL MARKETS.—June SO. Reef per lb. Os. sd. totis. RI. Oatmeal, per at. Is. rd. to 23. Muttou 0 6 0 9 Peasemeal Veal 0 0 0 S Pet Barley, esst_l2 ti 17 Hawks Lamb percir. 0 0 0 0 Grey I'caae 12 0 0 0 GuarternLoat... 0 p 0 0 White ditto 13 0 14 0 Hour, per stone 2 0 2 8 Blue ditto. 13 0 14 Bye HOP INTELLIGENCE. WWI( csrFE, J ULY C—AlthOugh in our plantation Hops continue to grow and branch out very fine, yet the flies continue to increase. There are similar reports froto Kent and. Sussex, and in consequence the duty of the kingdom has receded to 160,0001. On Sunday se'nnight, about one o'clock, water9otit burst with extreme violence over the road and adjoining grounds near Ilton. A considerable inundation. immediately ensued, by which five acres of hay were swept away, and an acre of potatoes destroyed by the flood at Copland. In various other parts of the vicinity the grown' was perforated into deep trenches by the fury of the storm• —Taunton Courier. Early on the morning of Friday last, the body of a man, apparently about 30 years of age, was discovered on the sands of the Solway Frith, about three miles within water mark, and nearly in a line betwixt the village - O f Clarencefield and the Fish-house at Skiroberness. With the exception of a coarse calico shirt, the corpse was en' tirely naked ; the skull in a dreadfully shattered state, and so open that the brain had disappeared ; some of the rite were broken and separated from the spine, with other in' juries which it would be painful to mention; but whether these contusions were inflicted by some murderous hank or occasioned by accident, such as falling from the lois of a ship, is not, and probably never will be, known.✓ .Dumfries Courier. EXTRAORDINARY CASE.—At Markle, noir East Linton, ROBERT Drxow, farm servant to Mr. JOlO .RENNIE there, has for the last two years been labouria under a disease of the stomach. The symptoms were severe vomiting once or twice every day, with a fullness and swelling at times of the right portion of tie stomach; at: tended with pain when pressed, voracious appetite, and when the stomach was full he felt most uneasy. On the 17th inst. after the exhibition of some strong medicines, ha ejected from the stomach a large snail, of the grey specie) measuring, when in motion, five inched in length and tcro inches in circumference, tapering smaller towards the tail' The animal is in every respect formed like the commoo snail, was quite lively and vigorous, and lived for five dayf' It is now in the possession of Mr. Aslnvasow, stupor)) Haddington, the' medical gentleman under whose jndicio o treatment the animal was dislodged from the stornad , ) where in all probability it had lived for two years, and lid resisted a variety of medicines, &c.— Caledonian Mercur/ .at BIRTHS: 'On the 30th ult. at Forest-hill, near Worksop, Nottii the lady of John Fullerton, jun. E,q. of a son and heir. On the let inst, at Camden•hill, Kensington, the Countess of Glasgow, of a daughter. On the let inst. the lion. Mrs. Kennedy Erskine, of 0 son and.heir. MARRIED. On the Ist inst. at St. George's Church, Fred. Beek' ford Long, Esq. youngest son of the late Edward Long' Esq. of Hampton Lodge, Surrey, to Maria, fifth daughte r of Jane Daniell, On the Ist inst. at St. Andrew's, Plymouth, Georg Heath, Esq. surgeon-dentist, to Mary, third daughter ° I the lute John Hitcheoa, sq, of Dublin, solicitor. On the 2d inst. at St. Peter's, Walworth , Chatk! Brooks, Esq. of Cambetwa, to Miss Emma Carlow, °' W'alworth. DIED. On the 3d inst. at Stockwell, after a lingering illnesth Elizabeth, the wife of Mr. J. E. Peinber, ut the St e el' Exchange. On the 2d inst. at his house on Wandsworth-eon - me William Willis, jun. Esq. of Lombard-street. On the 2d. inst. Elizabeth Ann, wife of Mr. Georg l Taylor, Tichborne-street, top of the Haymarket, aged 5 4 On the 3d inst. aged 40, Harriett, the wife of Jul Lys Seager, Esq. of Palace-yard, W es tminster. On the 28th ult. at his so n's house, Fulham , Mr... J s`' Scartli, of Lyon's-Inn, solicitor. On the 2d inst. aged 28, Mary, the beloved wife °' Thomas J3rooksbank, Esq. of No. 9, Dought)-Stree f ' M e eklenburgh-square. On the 3d inst. after a long and severe illness, Surd"' the beloved wife of George Moneypenny, Esq. archior t ' of Mortimer-street, Cavendish-square, in the liOth y e ar " 1 her Age. - _ Pat NTED and PUBLISHED by N. YOUNG, at the SUN OFI ICI No. 114, Strand, London. LOOT CAR PAP] FUN HOC SALI H. I