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EVENING SUN Vamp, but it was impossible for the g-k'acl in ' and thereto le bush them would b. I.)W C to put We co&A the mo.st favouret her ft hi!. , ;her rate o iation y for her aer ~ontinent Of Europe; but from the effect of aTI:T., they would be completely shut oat from corn -nurse us regarded.corn and !lour, when their obje, advantage of the Corn-duty. lie sub3ll. —vse considerations to the House. The Ame rican tarilY'.could reach its Invest point in tiqober next. would then be taken ac, - ain into consideration. Unless thr interval, the Government of country would -pnt, the productions of The United States olt a reason able footing—(ilea*, hear.) --they might be perfectly c;.rtain that the duty on the importation of Britisb manufactories would be greatly and they % . ,' , 111(1 probably lose the only opportunity they might ever have to gain such access to that marl:et as! we ought to have.--(Hear, 11" nitcd States to at ;....dvarttat , , - e to II trc tOti tI . !Z \Yitil lot then (ha 1 the( 1 intpr, t would be to itted ..ear.) On the question of the. . Duties, when the late Chancellor of the Ex chequer proposed to reduce the duty on foreign sugar, the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool (Lord San don) carried an amendment against the reduction, the main reason assigned for which was, that encourage r:lent should be given to the production of free labour ia opposition to that of slave labour. But the merchants of Liverpool seemed not to be of the same opinion with the Noble Lord, for it was a curious fact that all the sugar refiners in Liverpool had ceased to refine sugar, the produce of the British colonies in the West lu:tic s, and were all carrying on a very extensive, and, as he believed, lucrative trade in refining foreign sugar in bond.--(Hear, hear.) In one week 1,100 boxes of Cuba sugar were taken in by the merchants of Liver pool to be refined. The price of raw sugar in bond was 2d. per lb., when refined it was -td. per lb., and all the rest of the price was duty paid to Government for the sake of monopoly, and to exclude the foreign and cheap article.—(Hear, hear.) He was quite certain that if her Majesty's late Government had carried their proposition for a 12s. duty on foreign sugars, not one single week would have elapsed in which the grocer and the refiner • would not have selected foreign sugar. The country would have been benefitted by the reduction in price, and the revenue would have largelyiti creased. In conclusion he (Mr. Thornely) begged to Observe that he had passed through commercianife, and had retired from business. He had never entertained any other commercial principles than those of free trade, and all observation perfectly convinced him of their soundness. He had long seen the working of these prin ciples of monopoly in this country, and when he went into the Committee on Import Duties he certainly foresaw what facts would be elicited in that examination, and he was not, therefore, surprised at the effect the report of that Committee had had upon this and foreign coun tries.—(Hear, hear.) He 'mew that it was read exten sively, and with delight, in the United States ; but they said, whenever you act on these principles you may then safely hold up your heads, and ask for free trade with other countries ; but whatever may be your prin ciples, while your practice is so injudicious, you have little claim on the sympathies and liberality of other na tions.—(Hear.) He would only further say, that, being :es early in his attendance at the House as any other Member, he had heard the prayers read that day at the table ; one of which was that they " might lay aside all private interests, prejudices, and personal affections ;" and he would hope that this was done by every man on his crossing the door of that House ; for whether a man of that House was a landowner, manufacturer, or mer chant, he had a duty to perform to his constituents, his country, and mankind, and he ought, therefore, to lay aside these feelings.—(Hear.) He begged to urge these considerations on Hon. Gentlemen opposite. He also thanked her Majesty's late Ministers for what they had done. They had attempted to open the doors of com mercial freedom for our benefit and that of all mankind. 'The Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir R. Peel) had now a similar opportunity, and if he would avail himself of it he might set at defiance all who looked to their private interests, and do great good to the people of this country, for which they would ever after be eminently grateful. Mr. YORKE said immediate relief for the distress of the country was their primary object, and the responsi bility of the Right Hon. Baronet opposite should also be taken into consideration. The late Government were beaten u pon. distinct principles distinctly proposed. The Right Iron. Baronet voted against those principles, and, therefore, it wait incumbent upon him not to leave the douse without proposing a substitute for them. It was with unaffected regret that he he had heard the Right Hon. Baronet intimate his intention to propose measures —all excellent in their way—for the ventilation of the House, the centralization of royal vegetables, the union of royal demesnes, and the extension of the - .New Poor-law, to the supreme detestation of which so many Hon. Gentlemen opposite were indebted for their seats—(Hear, hear) —and having done this, it sent the country gentlemen home for the vacation.--(Hear, Lear.) He feared the Right Hon. Baronet, who ob jected to let them proceed then, would find himself equally unable, when they reassembled, to provide a re medy for evils which might, in the interim, greatly in crease.—(Hear.) On the question, that the Speaker do leave the Chair, the ,House divided, when there appeared— Sii - For the motion Against Majority - 114 I The House then went into a Committee of Supply. A vote of 54,0001., foy defraying the expenses of the I insurrection in Canada, was agreed to. A vote of 60,0001., for completing the Civil Contin gencies, being proposed, Colonel SIBTHORP said he trusted that the time of jobbing was past away along with the late Ministry. He could not avoid referring to the expenses attendant on the appointment of a Noble and Learned Lord to ad judicate for about seventeen day son a few Chancery suits in Ireland, to say nothing of these other jobs which filled the civil contingencies and miscellaneous estimates for the last ten years. He saw a grant to an lion. Mem ber, towards whom he entertained no objection. He ad mitted he was a gentleman of great assiduity and talents, :and it was not he, but those who made the appointment, ;that were to blame. He alluded to the appointment of the Alen. Member for Bolton, then Member for Kilmarnock, evho for two years five months and six days held a consi derable salary, in conjunction with another gentleman, for duties connected with an inquiry into the state of fo reign trade. The official return, granted on a motion made by him (Colonel Sibthorp) showed that the ex penses of that appointment amounted to 7,1591. 15s. 9:1,, :and all that money was for four or five reports, which :might be very good, but which he (Colonel Sibthorp) /Ail not read, nor did he intend to read it. Of the late Government. however, as it was defunct, he WOilki Db se;eee the old adage de mortuie nil nisi Lorain:. Mr. WILLIAMS trusted the Hon. and Gallant Colo nel would pursue the same course towards his own party , , a s that which he joined him (Mr. Williams) in pursuing stewards the late :Ministry when in office. The Hon, and (3-allant Colonel formed an exception to his party when eLey :supported the late Governmentin any extravagance. lie . 11 . e. Williams) would not allow the present vote to lease w l'eliont calling the attention of Government to sonic of the, its:ine, in the hope that when those ,pay snouts came round a enin they might see the justice of omitting some of l them. He thought that not a few of them were perfect masters of the public mo ney. lie would first peg attention to the outfits of am- l ees:sad/1m lie en oti on, that Government would fled 'many competent persona to fill those (aces for the ono lum,,ots of them without anc X tra expense for outfits, There was one item of 31W. paid lo the Marshal of the Ceremonies fur packing pictures fur the service of the Eeibassy at Paris. He objected to its expenditure, inecause the revenue could not afford it and. if more taN:ltioll Wits to he raised, Gentlemen wouLt lind the inconvenience of it, as recourse meet be had for that purr pose to the class to which Hon. Gentlemen belonged. Other items were 5751. expenses attendant oe the visits of distinesseshed personages; 4601., e:7l)(:3ses .e" neet ." l vital the laver of London ; 46C1, amount of geeeeitles na ,:el to officers o('the Court of Exchequer ; :1371• 165. :, xp e,:se of appoiatinse Mr. Poulett Thompson, now Lord .) :clenbratt, .to be Caetinelieneral over British North Auseries. ; and, lastly, there wee nn item of I ,455/. 2s. 4d. paid to sundry persons, as of Ler 1014"a,sty's bounty, Ile s hould like to know whist that was? yh e CIIAIRAIAN then put the question that 60,0061. anted to her Majesty for coaspletiug the Civil coo bo to the 3lzt of March, 1842, when RUSSELLtit 'A Lord S. • •.• • ihitk. that with respect to Ambits , , IN,,nisters-abroad, he should nut think that eauors au the expenses o f their outfit ought to be objected to. It Howed for a series of years, seed he thought it a expense. If th ey appointed none but men verY per o f c onsu w „ a bl e fortune, , why, then they might pot make but if they appinted men of considerable sac!' grits . ealent am- SI;na!1 income, woo might not be able to cote, necessary aura for an outfit, tfnen it became a reaud the txpense ; and to make till distinction ls'eers);eolir inrdiviiieduals would he invidious. With Governor -Generalship of CanAkia, k re .t si b ic e lt i t e v e t d o so the from having, derived any advantage front that situation, Lord Sydenham had enpended a part of his own private fort une in consequence of accepting it. oeases of that kind numbers were found witiing ni... 11'nk that, because such a desire ssept the situation from ambition and the desire of puhiie service ; but he did not t prevailed, the provisiOn s outold be made inadequate to the expenses. With regard the services of Dr. Bow ring, they hal already been disensps_e,dl;,and it am not necessary for him to refer to them gain, necessary C. HAMILTON said, ,understood that lie certain passages had been cut out efeeNoble port, he would be glad to be 111 - • forned by of Dr. Uowring's _Lord opposite whether that statement, was correct ?Elea Lord PALMERSTON replied that h o. Certin!Y. cut out several passages, amongst which a s " ;i P aTld sion of " sovereign," as applied to Me -ment," several eulogiums upon his Administration, but ited removed no tart of the statistical information. The vote was then agreed to. (hi the motion that 51,6541. 10s. be granto to her Majnsty to complete the works of the various public de parttneAts, Mr. WILLIAMS, said he could not but take that 0 1 )- portunity of referring to the unnecessary expense of maintaining the various palaces. There were in all nine royal palaces and residences. He thought some of those palaces might be closed without any inconvenience to her Majesty. The people of England had no desire to control her of any anything tending to her comfort or happiness; hart there were several palaces which she never saw, and smother was kept solely for the aceommosletion of foreign sovereigns. He hoped her Majesty's Government would give their attention to this atibjeet, and in this hope he would not propose any reduction. Mr. WAKLEY said, although the r emarks of the lion. Member were very useful, he was afraid they would be of no avail. There was no doubt that the expenditure' was very extravagant. One would suppose, from the es mates, that there was no distress existing amongst the people. But who was to blame ? It appeared to him that it was entirely owing to the wantonness of that House in oting- the public money. Immediately the votes were proposed the majority of the !Umbers left their seats, with A change having taken place in the Administration of the country, it appeared to him that they were buuud to submit patiently to what was proposed. If, after a fair trial had been given to the Government, these cur tailments were not •inede, which the people h d a right to expect, it would be for them then to state their disapprobation. That linuw, as it Was then con stituted, was the offspring of the Nob le L ord ( Lord John Russell's) will, who although solicited again and agai I had said no further reform was needed, and how could he com plain of the result ? There was one sum in the esti mates to which he could not help alluding, namely 1,000. far the expenses of the Amaassador in proceeding to Frankfurt. No one could contend that such a sum was necessary. He did not complain of the manner in which the foreign affairs in general lied been administered. He believed that the policy of the Noble Lord (Palmer ston) had placed England in a prouder position than she had ever occupied at any former period.—(Hear, hear.) But he thought if the Noble Lord were to give i the ve the House the result of his experience lie would g House a list of many expenses which might be reduced in the foreign service. He trusted that the present Ad midistration would do all in their power to reduce the expenditure of the country. Mr. FIELDING said he was astonished at the lan guage of the Hon. Member.—(Hear, hear.) His con stituents told him that they could not continue in their present distress until February next. They laboured under distress and poverty too great to be endured; yet no assurances were given of relief. His Hon. Friend be was sure could not be aware of the state of Lan cashire. The best workmen in the manufacturing districts were leaving England to seek employment .abroad.—(Hear, hear.) What he required was, that the sufferings of the people should be considered. Mr. WAKLEY said he was quite ready to agree in any remedy proposed to remove the distresses of the people, but why was not that remedy proposed ? Why did not the Hon. Gentleman propose such a remedy him self if he knew what those sufferings were, and if he was not prepared with such remedy he ought to apply to others. After a few words from Mr. FIELDEN, Mr. EIVAILT observed that the remedy of the Hon. Member for Finsbury appeared to consist in the word " patience," but in his (Mr. Ewart's) opinion, if the country were to adopt that remedy the Hon. Gentleman would soon hold an inquest on the patient.—(Laughter.) He stated that the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Administration would not find his bed one of roses, but he (Mr. Ewart) thought that the Hon. Gentleman would not make it one of thorns.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) He must say, that while he was ready to make fair allowance for the Right Hon. Baronet, he thought the time was come when he should be ready with a remedy.—(Hear, hear.) The distress of the country would not permit them to wait much longer, notwithstanding the eloquent homily and the " patience" of the Hon. Member fur Finsbury. He rejoiced that the several parks were thrown' open to the public, and that the public were availing themselves of the advan tage. He trusted that Richmond Park would be thrown open to all persons, and he saw no reason for its being enclosed. With respect to the others, he thought it would be highly advantageous they should be also made available for the public accommodation. After a few words from Mr. TUFNELL, Mr. WAKLEY said he would adopt the suggestions of the Hon. Gentleman, and give the best advice he could to the Member for I!amworth.—(Ministerial cheers.) But he did not think that Right Hon. Gentle man should be pressed to propose measures without being allowed time to consider them.—(Hear, hear.) He did not understand the Right Hon. Gentleman required five months, but he understood that all he required was time, and he considered that was but a fair demand on the part of the Right Hon. Gentleman.—(Hear, hear,) But if those remedies were necessary, why should they wait for the Executive to propose them ? He thought it highly inexpedient to leave the introduction of those measures entirely to the Executive. But, at all events, they had no right to cast reproaches on those Gentlemen who gave time to the Executive, when they were not themselves prepared with any remedy. That was only shifting the blame off their own shoulders. He would like to ask what would be the consequence now, if the proposition of the late Government was the law ? Why, they would be paying at this moment a duty of Bs. in stead of is.—(Ministerial cheers.) It was not fair of the Hon. Member for Oldham to arraign others because they differed from him in opinion. —(Hear, hear.) If that Honourable Gentleman was prepared with a a measure, well and good ; but if not, he saw no reason why they should refuse time to the Member for Tams worth. It was, in his situation, but a reasonable re quest, and he (Mr. Wakley) thought it would be un just to refuse it.—(Cheers.) That injustice was nothing to him, but it was a great deal to the people.—(Hear, hear.) They required the Right Hon. Baronet. to come down with crude and undigested propositions ; but he (Mr. Wakley) would not lend himself to any factious opposition, nor participate in it.—(Ministerial cheers.) Mr. 'WILLIAMS could not refrain from expressing his surprise at the altered opinions of the Hon. Gentle- M2l/I.—(Hear, hear.) There had been a time when he and the Hon.. Gentleman agreed on most points, and he trusted they were not going to disagree now. He had offered himself as a great State doctor, but he was sur prised at his doctrines. The Hon. Gentleman appeared to be satisfied with, and was going to join, those who had been abusing the real remedy.—(Hear.) Sir R. INGLIS did not wish to obtrude himself upon the very pretty quarrel between the Hon. Gentleman who seemed dying on the other side, and the other Hon. Gentleman who still survived upon his--(Laughter)— but he rose in reference to what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Dumfries. That Hon. Member seemed to him to take an erroneous view of the subject relating to the Royal Parks. He appeared to forget that as long as the Crown possessed its hereditary revenues it never came to Parliament to defray the expense of maintaining them, and he thought that it should be as little expected that the Crown Parks ought to ba opened to the public as those which belonged to private persons. He would ask the Member for Coventry, who seemed to have as sumed the place of the late Member for Kilkenny, whes ther, as long as the Crown remained ire possession of its own revenues, the care of its parks devolved upon the Parliament ? and if they now refused the care of those Parks and Palaces it would be a violation of the compact with the Crown. After a few words from Mr. EWART the vote was agreed to, 5,0001. was voted for defraying - the expenses of the works connected with Kingston harbour. 2.68C1. 10s. was voted for the repairs of the Holyhead road and harbour, and the Liverpool roads. •On the vote of 21,000/. being put for defraying the expenses of the building connected with the British Museum. Mr. HAWES said he regretted that that magnificent poi'aton of the British Museum containing the library was still closed to the public. He had heard it stated that the reason of its being closed was to enable the librarian to catalogue the hooks ; but if he was rightly informed, it would be kept clokal After the cataloguing had been completed, because it was comsidered that per sons passing through would cause such a dust as would injure the books, For his own part he did not think that such would be the ease, and lie hoped the Trustees, two of whom he then saw in the House, would take the subject into their consideration of opening the library to .the public, Dr. BOWRING wished to know when the cata!oeue would he completed, and whether it would be printed ? Sir R. laElsL stated that it would be completed as aeon e possible. lie thought it right that the public should have Access to all the works in the British Museum, but he did 'not see the necessity of persons being permitted to pees through the rooms. ' Dr. BOWRING obervoi, that all the libraries abroad were open to the public. sir It. INGLIS agreed with the Right Hon, Baronet, at dui head of her Majesty's Government, that the lib rar y ea tae British Museum ought not to be made a passage room. With reference to what had fallen from time lion. Member for Belton, he would venture to ee.y, that that Hon. Member had never seen ten persons at 40 , time in the Vatican, or the Library Royale in Paris, After a few observations from Mr. STILIIIT WOnT LEv, and Mr. Eivaula the vote was agreed to. 41811. 103. was voted to complete the suns necessary to defray the present temporery accommodation for ofilees for both Houses of Parliament. 0,01 was vatted to complete the sum necessary to cacav sat the ISTO.f.S connected with the New Houses of Parliament. 15,000/. was voted for the completion of the Model Prison, after a few observations from, Mr, WILLIAMS. 3,50 C/. was voted to repair and complete prisons. 8441. 103. was voted to promote a museum for the economical study of geology', 2,5001. was voted for ereetiaL; a ball for the General Assembly of the Church of Scotia:al in Edinburgh. On the st;le being put for the SUM of a 5,0001. fur com pleting the sure ;: s ecessary fur defraying the expenses and .ti eeeprovements of tilt Caledonian Canal, ' 1 , WILLIAMS objected to the vote on the ground that it watt peat of the sum of tt3,0,0001, recommended to be expended by A Committee, of which be was a member. In that Committee. he had strongly objPntod 0 4 the expenditure of such a tutu ; another MenbeF ceproi t iC4,o the sum might be well applied, and the Chair , man gave ilia pats4u,z vote in favour of the reeommende ation. The ComaThatail iseel written to Dublin, Belfast, Liverpool, Bristol, HO, _414 aaveral other ports, but ease one of theta thought the pf94).94 , 4 improvement of the theael would be of the slightest ads - weave to trade. The only attewsers that were favourable to the peapaaie tion were from titeaea Scotch ports.—(A laugh.) If she steam-tugs were empleved, it must greatly isiateeeee the annual eependituie, wed, it would be at least five taaaes greater than the present Incesea t What Ise wanted was, alzat the Government should send dowel some engineers, and atasee persons, in whom they had efeaidence, but not belongink e‘a Scotland—(A laugh).— and the werip would never be underealeete. The Rig,ht ca e neelj e se ratfhe Exchequer would T i m hims e lf importance to Hon. the 300,000 L thoso useless works were gone 'AI with. If the cand! Waa t: Scotland, let the Treasury give gtalthilid, and let the ports and oonnties of that country aurMert it, Sir R. PEEL doubted whether Scotland would want the offered boon.—(Laughter.) Ife would have no he sitation in postpon in g the vote till next Session, and, in the meantime" tie would assure the House t hat strict and impartial inquiry should be instituted by persons not were flesnd to be useless, he locally interested, If it would not hesitate to recommend that it should be aban doned. G. the benefit of Scot which had been taken in h and for CLERK denied that the canal was a work Scot land. It was broeght forward and pressed by the late Lord Colchester, Mr. Hawkins Browne, and Mr. Smit , of Norwigh, ought not one of them being native s of the coun try.. Such undertakings alway to s enterprise of individuals.• Com be WI p the p an ics could much easier keep down the expense than the Government. He was happy to be able to inform the Committee that within these few days there had been a renewal of the proposi- THE StN, LONDON, TUI4ISDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 1841. tion to take the mnal- from the hands of the Govern ment, and if, unfortunately, that project failed, be would have no hebitation in recommending the abandonment of the whole concern. The vote was then withdrawn. Sir G. CLERK then proposed that the sum of 25,0001. be granted to her Majesty fur completing the sum ne cessary for the payment of the salaries and expenses of the two Houses of Parliament. In answer to a question from Mr. THORNELY, Sir G. CLERK said the Sergeant-at-Arms attending the House of Lords had a deputy, but he peformed the duties generally personally. After a few words from Dr. BOWRING, which were not heard in the gallery, the vote was agreed to. 26,3001. were then voted to defray the expenses of the offices in her Majesty's Treasury. On the motion of Sir G. CLERIC that the sum of 10,750/. be granted for the expenses of the Home De- pertinent, Colonel SIBTHORP took that occasion to complain of the appointment of Mr. Vizard to the office of Solicitor to the Home-office, as he was at the same time Secretary to the Commissioners of Bankruptcy, with a salary of 1,2001. a year. He begged to ask whether it was the in tention of the present Government to cancel that appoint ment or retain Mr. Vizard in office. Sir J. GRAHAM said that, although Mr. Vizard had been for twenty-five years his solicitor, he had felt it his duty in forty-eight hours after faking the seals, to inti mate to him his intention to inquire into the duties of the office and the necessity for its continuance ; adding that, as at present advised, he did not think Mr. Vizard would be retained as Solicitor to the Home Depart ment.—(Hear, hear.) Sir T. WILDE said that the number of applications for legal advice made daily to the Home-office by coun try magistrates, when difficult legal questions arose, ren dered it necessary that there should be a solicitor in that department. He was convinced that the salary of the solicitor was much less than the amount of the fees which would have to be paid to the Solicitor or Attorney-Gene ral, if there were not such an official adviser connected with the department. Sir ROBERT PEEL had filled the office of Secre tary of State for several years, and had never felt any inconvenience in the want of a Solicitor to the Home Department. His Under Secretary, Mr. Hobhouse, was perfectly competent to advise upon all legal questions ; so much so that Sir Vicary Gibbs told him (Sir. R. Peel) that he would not hesitate to put his name to any legal opinion given by Mr. Hobhouse.—(Hear, hear.) He thought it better to have a responsible Under Secretary competent to advise on legal matters than to have two distinct offices, a Secretary and a Solicitor.—(Hear.) Colonel SIBTHORP expressed his satisfaction with what had fallen from the Right. Hon. Baronet. Mr. DUGDALE had been a Magistrate for many years before the office of Solicitor to the Home Depart ment was instituted, and he never found either difficulty or delay in obtaining advice from the Home-office in matters of law.—(Hear.) Sir T. WILDE said that it was unsafe and dangerous to rely upon the opinions of a lawyer who was not in constant acquaintance with the practice of the Courts. He could bear testimony to the high character of Mr. Hobhouse, but he could not forget the opinion of Sir William Grant, who when he had been but six months out of practice, said that his opinion as a lawyer was good for nothing when he was no longer conversant with the daily practice of the Courts. Sir ROBERT PEEL said the Right Hon. Gentleman had stated, on the authority of Sir Wm. Grant, that the opinion of a professional gentleman who had been six months out of practice, was not to be relied on, how much more then did this statement weigh against the appoint ment of Mr. Vizard, who had been out of practice for two years.—(Loud laughter.) Sir THOS. WILDE said that he did not suppose that Sir W. Grant meant to say that professional gentlemen under the circumstances alluded to, were unable to ex press an opinion, but that a person not in a course of professional reading, was not a safe adviser. It was true Mr. Vizard had given up the conduct of his private prac tice, but he presumed that he had not given up his professional reading.—(Laughter.) He did not think the Right Hon. Baronet's a candid mode of meeting the argument, though it was a smart ono—(Laughter)—and except for the little advantage over him which it might afford to the Right Hon, Baronet, he did not think the time of the House had been usefully occupied by his an swer.—(Hear, and laughter.) In answer to a question from Mr. WILLIAMS, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that, if in discussing any estimates, any Hon. Gentleman wished for the details they should be furnished. The vote was then agreed to. The following votes were then agreed to without dis cussion :-44,000/. for the expenses of the Foreign office ; 10,000/. expenses of the Colonial-office ; 15,7501 expenses of Privy Council and Committee of Privy Council for trade ; 31,000/. expenses of Privy Seal-office ; 17,473/. expenses of Paymaster-General's-office ; 8,785/. Comptroller-General of Exchequer ; 1,0001. Professors at the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge. On the vote for 6,679/. Commissioners of Insolvent Debtor's Court, being put, Mr. WILLIAMS said that he believed that if the establishment was managed in the same manner as simi lar establishments in other countries, this expense might be avoided. It appeared to him extraordinary if the persons confined were employed beneficially, that they should not nearly defray their expenses. Dr. BOWRING also thought that a more economical system might be adopted in the establishment. The vote was then agreed to. The following votes were also agreed to :- 3,092/. 12s. for the Juvenile Offenders' Penitentiary, Parkhurst, Isle of Wight ; 1,1411. State Paper-office ; 1,5001. for defraying the expenses oc the Ecclesiastical Commissioners in England ' • 29,6701 salaries and ex penses of the Commissionero for the relief of the poor. An Hosr. MEMBER on the Ministerial side of the House, whose name we could not learn, begged to say that unless a reduction took place in the establishment of those offices, he should feel it his duty in the next Session of Parliament to move that the Commissions for the Poor be reduced to the same scale as the Commis sions of Excise, and of public departments. 6,796/. salaries and expenses of Consuls andVice-Consols abroad ; 4,5001. salaries, &c., of Factory Commissioners; 3,1001. Inspectors of Prisons ; 15,7001. expenses of the Mint ; 2,500/. Commission with respect to the employment of children in mines and col leries ; 4,100/. compensation to persons who were for merly employed in the public service ; 3,2501. for the relief of emigrants ; 9251. national vaccine establish ment ; 1,500/2 for the relief of the destitute ; 1,695/. expenses, &c. of the confinement of criminals and luna tics; 1,950/. for the purpose of assisting Protestant Dis senting Ministers, 19,600/. to complete the sum voted for foreign and secret service. Mr. 'WILLIAMS did not object to a certain sum being allowed as foreign and secret service money, but there would be no necessity for that money being legitimately employed in home service, He considered that the sum ought to be reduced, and he would divide the House on it. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared -144 Foror e e a original ent motion Majority 41,000/. were voted for law charges. 39,0001 were voted for the Hulk Establishment at home and abroad. On the vote of 132,8001. being proposed to defray the expenses of maintaining convicts, Mr. WILLIAMS said he would not oppose the vote, but he trusted that every means would be taken to dimi nish the expense of this item, which he conceived might be easily effected. After a few observations from Mr. V. SMITH, Sir R.PEEL said he would take care that the whole of the estimates should be narrow ly looked into.—(Hear, hear,) He would make it art object of his solicitude that they should undergo a careful revision. —(hear, hear.) The vote was then agreed to. 12,50C1 were voted for the expenses attendant upon captive negroes. • 5,169/. was voted to complete the sum necessary to pay the salary of. officers engaged in keeping the Public Records. 15,00(1 was voted for public education in Great Britain. 2,660/. was voted to defray the expenses of the Uni versity of London. 7954 was voted for the support of the School of Design. 14,5001. was voted for the payment of the Revising Barristers. 6,1601. was voted for the ewpenses incurred by Sheriffs. 73,000 L was voted to defray certain charges hitherto paid out of county rates. 6,0004 was voted for the assistance of the Polish re- -137 fugees. 3,54C1. was voted to enable the trustees of the British Museum to purchase certain manuscripts with respect to coins. 56,850/. was voted for compensation to the merchant • who had suffered losses through the Spanish Government. 25A01. was voted to defray the expenses of steam communication with India by way of the Red Sea. 2,5001. was voted to defray the Civil Establishment of the Bahama Islands. 2,024/. was voted to defray the Civil Establishment of the Bermudas, 1,53 W, was also voted to defray the Civil Establishment of Prince Edward's Island, 5,4401. was voted to defray the expenses of the Civil Establishments of the western coast of Africa. 3,549/. was voted to defray the expenses of the Civil EgahliAment of Western Australia. 4,1954 wp,4 vpted to defray the expenses of the Bede.- siastical Establishment of thy British North American Provinces. 9 , ,4471. 10s. was voted to defray the expenses of the npprnment in Canada. 5,3321. 10s. was voted for defraying the salaries of the Governors and Deputy-Governors of the West India Colonies. 1 10s, was voted to defray the civil expenses of IlePgplapo. 2p,350/. was voteti to (Wray tho gilerriea an 4 allow 4Ticee of • Stipenclary Justices in the West Indies, Wait WQ voted for supporting the religious and moral instruetlons or emancipated negroes, The following votes were also agreed to :-2001. for the establishment at Sable Island, Nova Scotia ; 19,987 g. for the Niger expedition ; 3,0001. for the esta b!ishment at - stpl c sr Zpalpal ; 2 2111. los. for the es tablishMent at VoriViseN 1, 000 1 tbr thP 4t4 1 44511' ment at Falkland Islaed: Or the vote for 5,0001. to assist in promoting private subscriptions fpr the €urmaticjn Of public walks iii great towns. Mr. BROTHERTON expressed his approbation of the vote, and expressed his regret that the state of the finances would not permit it to be carried to the extent that was desirable. On the vote of ii,004 for the same purpose with res pect...., to Schools of Design, DIA WILLIAMS said that he cordially supported the vote. He regretted that while every body admitted the importance of the object, nobody was found to exert . himself for its promotion. Ile would suggest that a small sum should be given to establish a school in any country town which would lay the foundation for it. As an instance of the advantage of this plan, he would men tion that the late Government had sent a schoolmaster into the .Spitalfields district, and established a school there ; and he was informed that although this district had been previously as backward as others, within three months afterwards not less than forty=two scholars re gularly attended, and that the experiment had been at telided with the greatest possible advantage. Sir R. PEEL said he did not at all object on the score of economy to a grant of public money for that pur pose. He thought it would he a very great advantage if such schools were established in the manufacturing dis tricts, particularly those which were connected with taste and the fine arts.—(Bear, hear.) It was impossible, however, that the Government alone could effect the ob ject. It might be done in Spitalfields ; but in New castle-upon-Tyne it could not be accomplished, without the superintendencz of a local board. The fact was, that the wealthy in each district ought to take the lead ing point in such an object. He was quite certain that it would be the means of great usefulness. The Govern ment, in such a case, would be prepared to give its very best assistance. Mr. EWART said the subject befor the House came under the consideration of the Committee, of which he was Chairman six years ago. The recommendation of that Committee precisely accorded with the opinion of the Right Hon. Baronet ; it was a recommendation of assistance, not interference, on the part of the Govern ment, stating that local supervision was necessary to success. The late Government had carried out those principles, and he trusted that the present would pursue the same course. Dr. BOWRING expressed the pleasure he felt at hearing the remarks of the Right Hon. Baronet, and hoped to see the object carried out. The vote was then agreed to. The following sums were also voted :-1,750/. to com plete the purchass of pictures for the National Gallery; 2,2501. for the Lighthouse, at Morant Point, Jamaica ; 10,0001 for the census of the popula tion of Ireland; 37,1501. for grants to the Universities of Oxford; 25,0001. for education in Ireland; 4,795/. for the purpose of founding an hospital in:Dublin; 7,8461. 10s. to defray the expense of the House of Industry in Dub lin ; 5001. for the Female Orphan-house, Circular-road, Dublin; 1501. for the Westmoreland Lock Hospital, Dub lin; 750/. for Stevens' Hospital; 1,9001. for the Fever Hospital in Cork-street, Dublin; 2501. for the Hospital of Incurables. CORN-LAWS. MEETING AT THE TOWN-HALL, SOUTHWARK. A Town-hall Meeting was held yesterday in Southwark, for the purpose of petitioning the Queen not to prorogue Parlia ment until it has taken inta its consideration the present dis tressed condition of the manufacturing population, and also the subject of the present Corn-laws. The meeting was called by requisition signet! by some of the principal inhabitants of the borough to the High Bailiff, who presided. 'll4 meeting ,Vas appointed for one o'clock, and .a few minutes after that hour, the High Bailiff, accompanied by several of the requisitionists, entered the Flail. As soon as the High Bailiff took his seat, the requisition calling the meeting together was read, &c. The HIGH BAILIFF ruse aril said—lt had always been his desire, during the time that he had held the office of High Bailiff fo- that borough, to furnish the inhabitants with every opportunity to express their sentiments upon all matters con nected with the public welfare. He had, therefore, in com pliance with a requisition very numerously and respectably signed, called that meeting. He had not a doubt, from expe rience of past meetings in that borough, that every one would be allowed to express his sentiments with that liberty and freedom from interruption which ought to be, and was, the pri vilege of Tory honest and independant man.—(Cheers.) It might be necessary for him to observe, that the requisition was delivered to him on Saturday, and as the requisitionists wished the meeting to be called for that day ( Monday), he had thought.proper to comply with that request. As the requisi tion had been read, he should call on the meeting to express their sentiments upon it.—( Cheers. ) The HIGH BAILIFF then read several letters from Mr. Alderman Humphery, Mr. Hawes, &c., with apologies for their non-attendance. Mr. JAMES WILSON rose, and said the following resolution had been put into his hands to propose for their adoption : " 'I hat this meeting has watched with great anxiety and alarm accounts from the manufacturing and other districts, which exhibit the rapid increase of commercial distress, want of employment, and all the evils consequent thereon, aggra vated by the high prices of food." He rose to pro pose that resolution for their consideration, with the deepest conviction, that unless something were done to alleviate the distress of the working classes that they were approaching an awful crisis.—( Hear, hear.) Since they last met in that Town-hall to consider the commercial Tariff and the Corn-law, they had found that the Ministers who had brought forward those questions for consideration had been turned out of power, after having been sorely pressed by num berless petitions to take them into their consideration. They had brought forward these questions, and for this reason alone they had been turned out of power, and they had been suc ceeded by a class of men who had come into power for the pur pose of maintaining those laws inviolate. Independent of the consideration of these questions as affecting merely the Corn laws and commerce, he could not but view the circumstances which had taken place, as deeply involving the civil rights of the country. He could not but be convinced that one class of the community had claimed the right of legislating for the whole people, and he could not but be convinced that the pre rogative of the Queen had been used for a selfish purpose, and that the agriculturists and the landholders have been the only parties to be considered by the present repre sentatives in the House of Commons. Therefore, independently of the Corn-laws, there was something in the proceedings of this country which deeply involved their civil liberties and privileges. If there was one constitutional privilege more dear than another, it was the liberty they had to choose their representatives in the House of Commons ; and if there was another principle well developed, it was that the House of Peers had no right to interfere with the election of the House of Commons. They found the Duke of Richmond standing up and telling the country that they had brought into power the present Ministry for the purpose of maintaining the Corn-laws inviolate, and as soon as they attempted to meddle with them they should put them out of office. These were the men who had passed a vote of want of confidence against the late Ministry, because they wished to interfere with those laws. They had claimed the right of electing the House of Commons, thereby violating the privileges of the people. It was a matter of some surprise to him that the House of Com mons, which had telt so keenly the breach of privilege of its House with respect to the Sheriffs of London, should submit to a still higher breach of their House in being elected by the House of Lords. They had seen in the manufacturing dis tricts the first evidence of the decay of a great nation had taken place. It was lamentable to see that the town of Stockport, the town that had employed upwards of 60,000 operatives, had fallen off in its population, as appeared by the late census, 8,000 within the last ten years—( Hear, hear)—where they found that only one house in twenty was occupied, and where they found that only one mill in four was working. Let them con sider these things, and how could they wonder that such dis tre►s should be in the manufacturing districts ? He had re ferred to statistical accounts, and he found that they imported in 1840 for the first three months 124,965,0001b5., while in 1841 it was only 122,625,000, leaving a deficiency in the im ported quantity of not less than 2,340,0001b5. In the last four months of 1840 the imported quantity of cotton vs 00l was 237,540,0001b5., whilst in the same period of 1841 it was 164,000,0001b5., leaving a deficiency of 76,540,0001b5., or about one-third of the whole. They had therefore to infer from that, that there was only one third of the employment for the labourer there was a year ago. He would also refer to the article of silk. Sufficient evidence of the decay of that trade was found in Spitalfields and other districts. From this source he found that in the first three months of 1840 there were 931,9561b5. of silk ma nufactured in England, while in 1841, and the same space of time, there were only 719,7861b5., leaving a deficiency of 212,1701b5. In the last four months of 1840 it was 1,109,1081b5. whilst in the same period of 1841 it was 836,4881b5., leaving a deficiency of 272,6201b5., nearly one-fourth less than the former year. When they considered these statements, they would not believe that the accounts they had heard of the distress in the manufacturing districts were exagge rated. The mills were standing still, and the po pulation was not employed. The giant arm of steam was motionless and doing nothing. They found that in the House of Commons the Hon. Member for Bolton had, in his place in that House, stated a fact of a man having died at his loom of starvation and want. Although this was the only case they had heard of, of death having occurred from starvation, yet this was nota solitary instance where death had taken place in con sequence of the Poor-laws.—(Cheers.) But there was one person in the present Ministry—one man who was known for his courage—and he would say, for his candour—there was one man who stated that he believed there was no distress—the Duke of Wellington. He (Mr. Wilson) had not so much faith in his experience in these matters as in his candour and courage. He (the Duke of Wellington) had declared that he believed that there was no distress, and that this was the only country where a man could get at any time employment, and yet they heard of evidence being given in the House of Commons of a man dying on his loom. However,there was another Member of the Administration, who did admit the fact of the distress, but who denied the cause. He denied that the Corn-laws were the cause of that distress. He talked something about over-production, but he (Mr. Wilson) would a <k the Premier whether it was fit for a statesman to com plain of over production ?—( Cheers.) Was it the fact that because a man did too much work he was to suffer privation. No, it was not over-production that was the cause of the dis tress, but over-restriction.—(Cheers.) They had over-pro• duction of cloth, and they wanted bread. Therewere other countries that had an over-production of bread, and it was little consolation for them to be told that they were well fed when they wanted cloth for clothing ; and for the people of England to be told that they had sufficiency of cloth when they waited food. But Sir R. Peel said "show me that the Corn-laws are the cause of the evil, and I will consent to their repeal ; prove to me that this is the cause of the disaster, and I will advise my friends to re peal them." Ile (Mr. Wilson) had no confidence in the sin cerity of that declaration; for they had seen year after year that Mr. Villiers had brought forward his motion for inquiry into the operation of these laws, and th's very man, Sir R. Peel, rejected the motion disdainfully, and would not listen even to inquiry; therefore they had no right to think him sin cere in his professions when he has resisted inquiry, the only means of evidence.—( Cheers.) It appeared to be the policy of Sir R. Peel to procrastinate. He had assumed the position of great state physician, having studied at the great univer sity of Tamworth, where he had taken out his diploma as State l'hysician.--( Laughter.) When he was under examination he promised when he was called in that he would prescribe for the patient's disease ; yet now when he was called in, and called in with his fellow students and colleagues, when he had his fee, he refused to offer an opinion on the disease which he was called on to cure.—(Laughter.) He refused to express an opinion upon the disease of the country, and seemed rather to take the part of the Coroner than the physician.—( Laughter.) When the Hon. Member for Bolton told him that a man had died on his loom he then cocsented to send down a commission to inquire into it. This was but poor consolation to the widow and children, sending to inquire the cause of his death now that he was taken away from them. He still, however, re fused to send commissioners to inquire into the state of those that are not dead, but leaves them to die, and then perhaps he would again become Coroner, instead of the physician to apply a remedy .—(Cheers.) There was scarcely a feature in society in which they did not find that hydra-headed monster the Corn-laws staring them in the face.—(Cheers.) They found, year after year, that its voice was heard increasing throughout society. It was heard in the increase of patients to the hospitals. It was heard by an increase of prisoners in our prisons, numerous bankruptcies, and increased embar rassment in trade. A noble friend of his had moved in the House of Peers for a return of the number of fiats in bank ruptcy which have been issued during the last five years. It ap peared by that return that in the year 1838 there were 1,087 fiats issued. In 1839 there were 1,485 ; in 1840 there were 1,879. With such evidence of increasing distress, with such symptoms of national decay, was it fitting that such a man should take the reins of. Government ; and that, when he had got them, he should refuse to give the slightest remedy for these evils?— ( Cheers.) Let them consider, for one moment, what was all this suffering for. Why was the country threatened with de cay? He would again refer to the Duke of Richmond, to be informed on this head. For in his .peech, that he had before, quoted, he stated for what purpose the Government was fealuoa. He stated in a few words, that if the Corn-laws were to be in terfered with, that he would be the first to mo' o in that P that the present tenants should bo absolved from 14- ' -.use amount of rent? A n d that presentthey leases. Why did he do so , but that he "e would not he able to pay their prep. , - 7.ssumed if so, they (the farmer) we ,- .e only enabled to d o so b y t h e present laws ;• and-, 1 .lierefore, he says they were framed for the purpose of making the landholders wealthy. The Duke of. Wellington said it was in order to secure to the inhabitants food at the htoat eisal prices. But the Duke of Richmond Kid that it was simply for the purpose of rent. It then was 14 little word rent to which they must bow and submit. — (Hear, hear.) It was the Jugernaut before which every feel ing Wrsa tq be violated, and that little word was to represent Kings, Lords, and Commons. He could not believe that the people of this country would quietly submit to such a change in the Constitution, for if they did they gave up all privilege in the choice of represontativos in the House of Commons; and if they were not willing to do so they would rise not only to pro teet their commeree, but for a higher and a nobler aim—that of thelr. civil rights.—(Cheers.) He believed that this wa s a tint° when they should exercise the right of petitioning their Soverein. He, therefore, hoped that not only there would t i oat feeling pervade, but threw:theta the kingdom. The Hon. Gentleman sat down amidst great cheering. Mr. TnoAsas MARTIN said that he had been re euasted since he arrived on that idatfbrm to second the resolution, and he should, therefore, do so with but a few words, after the very eloquent address they had just heard. I - 4 had looked to other countries, and found no sliding scale there; and that caused him to reflect t'eeply an the subject. He had looked in history, and found that those nations of the earth which most excelled in manufactures, and everything that curbed the manufaCtures, reduced the country. That system w4;-; new being adopted here; and it would result in Enilaud being deprived of her right-arm—her manu factges.—( Cheers.) Before the war, land was not half the price it was now : deprive the country of her manufactures, and land would fall again to tha same price it was before the war. He hoped theta was no man there but would put his shoulder to the wheel, and get rid of this incubus on corn rnerce.—( Cheers. ) • The resolution was then put and carried unanimously. Mr. APSLEY PELLETT rose to move the next resolution : " That, in consequence 4 the apprehended deficiency. of the present harvest = the country is already threatened with de rangement of its currency and monetary affairs, from the necessity of importing corn under the wrise provisions of the present law." He thought they had arrived at a time when something should be done to retrieve our present difficult position. This opinion he had found much strengthened by a recent tear be had made in the manufactur ing districts. He had visited Glasgow, Paisley, Liverpool, Manchester, and Birmingham, five of the great manufacturing towns of the country, and there never was a less demand for the art;.cles they manufactured than at present, nor such a want of employment. He was a mum - . sfacturer himself, hut as a mretropolitan manufacturer he did not feel personally, nor dn.( his people feel that distress, because at present it was distant. But when distress commenced at a distance, it would sours come home. It had been said by the first speaker that the Premier had assumed to himself the right of State physician, and that he can cure all the complaints of the body politic. However true this might be, yet he says before he call apply the remedy they must wait five months. He (Mr. Pena) thought that the whole question was not merely a political feel ing, for he believed there never was a question in which theme was less political feeling than that one. He believed that a Tory and a banker of his acquaintance would have been present that day, but that he was prevented by ill health, or he would have been there to declare the great injury caused by these lawc.—( Cheers.) It was rather extraordi nary that the present State physician should on the 7th June last have pressed so strongly on the political party then in power to the immediate consideration of the Corn-laws in order to prevent agitation, and yet as soon as he comes into power, one of his first acts is to turn round upon the suffer ing community and tell them that that was not the time to give them the remedy. He would appeal to a gentleman who wrote a plea for the poor on the Corn-laws, and who had avowed himself as the Hon. and Rev. Baptist W. Noel. Ile was a clergyman of the Church of England. If he had been one of the 1,500 Dissenting ministers that had met in Manches ter perhaps he would not be believed by the other party, but being one of the aristocracy of the country, he (Mr. P.) thought the landlords would not doubt what he said. He would take a short extract from this plea. It was that part where the author quoted Scripture. " He shall deliver the needy when he crieth, the poor also, and him that hath no helper. He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy. He shall redeem their souls from deceit and violence, and pre sious shall their blood be in his sight!' Agreeably, there fore, both to the practice of the Legislature, and what is infi nitely more to be regarded, the will of Christ, should the weak and the poor be freed from those artificial restraints upon their industry and that unproductive taxation of their food, which, without serving the country, inflicts suffering on them." This was the point to which their attention ought to be led. Since the proposed change would have taken place, the coun try had lost something like 400,000/. out of its revenue, pro vided it had been an Ss. duty instead of the sliding scale; that amount of duty therefore had gone into the pockets of spe culators. He would make another quotation tram the " Pica for the Poor :"—" Myriads of the wording classes, whose inte rests are especially at stake, have implored the Legislature not to vote them any public money, not to give them any unfair advantage over others, not to invade private property, but to break off the fetters which the law has laid upon their indus try, to restore them t. eir national liberty—to purchase bread in return for the produce of their labour, to permit them to maintain their families by honest and laborious exertion." This he knew to be the opinion, not only of the trade, but even of their continental friends—those who were forced to manufacture themselves cloth because we refused to take their corn. Many of the ports are completely closed to the shipping, and although they had large quantities of corn in their ports, they had no employment for their shipping ; but they were manufacturing things which we could do infinitely better, if we were allowed to exchange our commodities. To show the foolery of some of our legislative enactments, he would refer to 1634, when Sir H. Ripon was fined 4,0001. for converting pasture land into arable.—(Great Laughter.) His per sonal experience told him that nearly all the want of employ ment that now existed arose from the operation of these bad laws—(Hear, hear) —crippling our energies and destroying our commerce. France would be ashamed of it—( Hear, hear) —and would rebel against it ; but England was an example of patience to other countries.—(Cheers.) He thought they never could be prosperous till they had a property-tax in this country, taxing the rich equally with the poor, and not as at present, where the laws that were made were merely an excuse for taxing the poor. He would conclude with another quota tion from his favourite author ;—" For no fault of theirs they are suffering the pain of hunger, with all the physical and moral evils which accompany it. God has provided for them corn, not in their own crowded country, but in others less densely peopled. They have the ability to buy it by their labour, if the law forbids not ; and the restoration of their natural right will invigorate every branch of British industry. Generously, therefore, as becomes the disciple of Christ, let every Christian reader overcome all party spirit, silence each ignorant prejudice, and trampling on the suggestions of a short sighted self-interest, labour with every friend of Isis country to effect that extension of our trade which, while it improves the condition of the working classes, will open the prospect of un bounded prosperity to the whole nation." Dr. BEDFORD seconded the resolution. The first thing that arose in his mind was, how many Reverend Gentlemen were present there that day ? On looking round him, he could not see one.—(A laugh.) He thought those Reverend Gentlemen cared more for the soul than the body. They followed not the example of the Saviour of old, who first fed the people and then preached to them.—(Hear, hear.) They had too many churches, and when he went into them he saw them empty, and he naturally inquired, is there not a congregation ? It was because they had no clothes to appear there in.—(Cheers.) He had great pleasure in seconding the resolution. Mr. R. RUSSELL rose to propose the third resolution : " That this meeting is apprehensive that great danger will arise, should the consideration of the Corn-laws, recommended by the Queen to both House of Parliament, be postponed, and it therefore feels it to be an imperative duty to petition her Ma jesty not to prorogue Parliament until it shall have given full effect to her Majesty's gracious recommendations, and that for that purpose the following petition be adopted." He said a friend of his was dining in Manchester with a physician, who gave him an instance of the distress there existing. lie was called in to a man who was dying. He was about to prescribe for the man, when he said—Give me none of your physic, but give me something to eat, for me and my children. Your chil dren, said the physician, where are they ? He pointed to some sacks,and three naked creatures crawled out, scarcely able to move. The physician was horrorstruck. He did all he could for them, but in three days the man and his children were dead. This, in a country where plenty was in the reach of every man, yet he was prohibited from getting it even by the most praiseworthy means, as God had commanded him, by the sweat of his brow. —(Cheers.) He thought this country was not a country of violence; if it were, they would not be at that time in their present peaceable condition. He thought that Sir Robert Peel must possess more of placidity than almost any human being living, for he could not think how he could feel himself safe under existing circumstances.—( Cheers.) He could not think how he could dare to maintain the present Corn- law, which was a protection to the landlord. The farmer could do without protection as well as the manufacturer.—( Hear, hear.) Therefore it was not a farmer's question, but a land lord's question, and landlord's question only.—(Cheers.) Mr. CIIARLES BARFORD seconded the resolution. He trusted that on every available occasion they would address the Queen until they got rid of these accursed law s.—(Cheers.) The petition to the Queen was then read to the meeting. Mr. WA vrosr, a Chartist, rose to move an amendment to the resolution. He w s received with considerable uproar and confusion. He said he agreed with a good deal that was con tained in the petition, but it was because he differed with a portion of it that he wished to move an amendment. The speaker then read an amendment, which was to the effect that nothing could be done till the representation was reformed. He would leave it to the good sense of the meeting whether that amendment should be received.—( Laughter.) They were not to suppose that he was a supporter of the Corn-laws.— ( Uproar.) It was ricnsense to say, "Go to Germany or Poland and other countries for bread, when there was plenty at home, if the country were well cultivated.—(Confusion.) According to the present arguments, they would take all their corn from the foreigner, and none from the English farmer.— (Great uproar.) What would be the result of that.—( Up roar. ) The farmer would say to his labourer, " I have no employment for you ; you must go to the manufacturer.-- ( Here the uproar was very great, in the midst of which the speaker sat down.) Mr. Wnsos, another Chartist, rose to second the amend ment, and was met with considerable disapprobation en the part of the meeting. He said, if he was situated as be would wish to be, he should have a nice cottage, and a feW acres to cultivate.—( Great laughter, followed by uproar and confu sion.) He should like to be independent of every man.— ( Renewed laughter.) He attributed the state of distress into which the manufacturing districts were thrown to machinery, which did the work of 100 men, and only the labour of one man.—(Uproar.) The first remedy was, to extend the fran chise ; but, until they got that, they would never get men to re present the interests of the country. —( The uproar was increased, and continued without intermission throughout the speaker's address. ) Mr. HEARNE thought the gentleman who spoke last was like the man with the goose which laid golden eggs.— (Laughter.) He ripped up the body of the goose, and lost the eggs ; and this was the way they would have them proceed. Talk about machinery b -ing injurious ! It was only injurious because it was fettered by bad laws.—( Hear, hear.) lie thoroughly believed that the removal of the Corn-laws would be one great step towards the reduction of the burthen of the National Debt—(Cheers)—for, if they were to take the Corn-law monopoly off, the amount saved wodld pay the Na tional Debt, and they would have something to spare. Mr. A. PELLATT, Mr. J. WILSON, and several others addressed the meeting, in answer to the proposer and seconder of the amendment. After a great deal of uproar, the amendment was put, whieh having been lost, ihe original motion was put and carried_ amidst loud cheers. A motion was then made that the memorial tve sigP:ed by the High Bailiff on the part of the meetie4, and Pellatt, Russell, and others be appointe4 4ti * that Messrs. -'putation to attend the High Bailiff on the presentaiiem, Thanks were then voted to the 5. 11 'gh Bailiff, and the meeting quietly separated 0.511 aftet ......-.,...- f°. Ar o'clock. CEN -I _ l ;iAL CRIMINAL COURT. (YESTERDAY.) OLD COURT. Mr. PAYNE applied to the Court for the discharge of the recognizance of the prosecutors againit Wm. Gil lingham. The Learned Counsel said that the case WPS postponed from the last session in consequence of the prisoner, while confined in Newgate, having swallowed a quantity of pins, and he had since died in prison. the fact RECORDZR said it would be necessary tha te l fact stated by the L earne d C ounse l s h o uld be formally proved. then sworn, Mr. Cope, the Governor of Newgate, was died in gaol. and he proved that the party charged Solomon Parslow, 32, and George Taylor, The recognizances were then in dictedorder?cil'atdobe4(sli,scv:etarregetl quantity of rags from Messrs. Ratclitl'c, enter rty intotmd fora misdemeanour, for frtaeulidifuel,e(i)iftlsyooubttha‘iNnairtitig. a pleaded guilty, and they The defendants retracted their were ea r and receive the their own recognizances toappu o p r l d e e a re o d f n to ot upon so to do. judg ment of the Court when called i n dicted for fraudulently ob taining Joh n Coomber, of was indicted ponies, the property of Mrs. Maddox, of Smith -street , re possession 4s t et, Chelsea. The prisoner was Clarkson, the Counsel for the that he had been capitally convicted prosecution, stating horse -stealing, the Recorder sentenced hint found guilty, and on Mr. in 1830 of to be transport ed for seven years. .. POLICE INTLLIGNCE. MA NSION E -HOUS A. E FMIGRATION.-Mr. Carter, of the firm of Carter and Bonus, s hip-agents, of No. 11, Leadenh a ll- s t ree t, ap peared at the Justice-room, at the request of Alderman Pine, in consequence of the complaints of several poor persons about to emigrate to Australia, against a man named John Mußender, who had represented Himself as the agent of that respectable house in pecuniary matters connected with emigration. The case, which it is appre hended resembles a great many instances of imposition upon distressed men and women who have expected to improve their condition by leaving this country, excited no small degree of interest. . . An Atto — rney, who appeared for the complainants, stated, that without meaning to cast the: slightest impu tation upon Messrs. Carter and Bonus, he considered himself justified in calling upon them to refund the NIAYNOOTH COLLEGE. On the sum of 4,4641. for the Roman Catholic College being proposed, Mr. PLUMPTRE said that he was always opposed to this grant, and 'he would not now agree to it. He did not wish to use harsh terms, but he never could consent to applying the public money to the propagation of error. He should feel it his duty to divide the Homse on the vote. Major BRYANT said, if the Hon. Gentleman could not admit of this grant being made, the Irish people would not think of giving them money to support the propaga tion of what they considered to be error. Sir R. INGLIS trusted his Hon. Friend wouldinot di vide the House on the question. One half of the grant had already been given, and the parties in expectation of the residue had been led to increase their expenses on that expectation. His Hon. Friend could oppose the grant when it was proposed next year: Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL should like to know of the the Right Hon. Baronet, who had just sat down, whether the observation of his Hon. Friend, the Member for Kil kenny (Major Bryant), should not apply to his (Sir R. Inglis) favourite question of Church Extension. He (Mr. M. J. O'Connell) should like the House to divide on the question, that they might know the opinions of Hon. Gentlemen who were unprejudiced on the subject. He did not think that any Hon. Gent.eman would be wrong in voting against the grant on conscientious motives. If people were not to contribute to the sup port of erroneous doctrines none would more rejoice at it than the Roman Catholics of Ireland. After a few words from Mr. PAKINGTON and MY. DARBY, Lord POLLINGTON said that the Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Inglis) seemed to justify the grant on the principle of prescription. Now, he should justify his vote on the present occasion on the ground of the great majority of the Irish people having a just claim. Sir R. PEEL said he must say he did not give his vote in favour of the present grant on the ground that one-half of the sum was already granted. He had given his vote for this grant for the last thirty years, in office and out of office, without feeling any violation of reli gious scruples, and he should do so on the present occa sion. Nevertheless he reserved to himself the right of making any proposal he might think proper respecting it in a future Session. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said the Right Hon. Baronet must have spoken of some Session previous to 1840, since in that year, and in 1841, he was absent when the vote was proposed. Sir R. PEEL said that he had not only frequently voted for, but spoken in favour of the vote ; and his being absent on any particular occasion when the vote passed, - was no more proof of his being inimical to it than was that of the Late Secretary of the Colonies, who was absent that evening.—(Hear.) Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said the last two debates on the subject were the most important, and the absence of the Right llon. Baronet was particularly remarked. Mr. PLUMPTRE said, that, as on former occasions, he should feel it his duty to divide the House against the vote. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but no divi sion took place. During our absence Mr. L_Alir addressed the House, and on our return to the gallery we found Mr. COCHRANE intimating his intention to divide against the vote. An 'lox. MEMBER said he was surprised the Hon. Member for Bridport (Mr. Cochrane) should divide against this vote, since he had not done so against the sum voted in the early part of the evening for the Gene ral Assembly of the Church of Scotland. Mr. FORBES said he thought if he voted for this grant he should be voting for a grant that would be in jurious to the Catholics in a religious point of view, and ivhieh would not promote the tranquillity of Ireland. Mr. COCHRANE explained. There was no division on the vote to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, or he should certainly have voted against it. —(Loud cries of " Hear" from the Opposition.) The House then divided—. For the vote Against it Majority 99 23 - 76 The vote was then agreed to. Also 350/. for charitable uses in Ireland ; 975/. for the Royal Belfast Academy ; 8,2501. for public buildings in Ireland ; 12,5421. 10s. expenses of the Department of Chief Secretary for Ireland. On the vote for 6,2321. expenses of the Lord Lieu tenant's Household being put, Lord CLEAIENTS said he had a strong objection to the vote. He wished to see the office of Lord Lieutenant abolished. It was a perfectly antediluvian office. Gentlemen might laugh, and he agreed with them that nothing was more laughable than to see a gentleman of this country apeing royalty in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) He thought the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland should be ap pointed as in the counties of England, and not be attended with the paraphernalia of royalty, and that ridiculous household. He should not, however, divide the House on the present occasion.—The vote was agreed to. The following votes were also agreed to :- 2,3691. for the Commission of Civil Service in Ireland. 3,07. q. for the charges of printing proclamations and statutes in Ireland. 51,000/. for criminal prosecutions in Ireland. 19,051/. for the Metropolitan Folic° (Dublin). 1,392/. for defraying the charges of Public Works. 3,6011. for the town-land survey in Ireland. 1,4551. for the Commissioners for the Improvement of the Shannon. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and ob tained leave to sit again on Wednesday next ; and the House then resumed. The Report on the Foreign Bishops' Bill was received. Sir I'. FREMANTLE moved the recond reading of the Royal Gardens Bill. After a few worda. from Mr. PROTHEROE and Mr. WAKLEY, Sir R. PEEL said it was the intention of Government to have villas built upon the site of the gardens, which would not much diminish the means of recreation to the people. He agreed in the suggestion of the Noble Lord the late Commissioner of Woods and Forests, that it was better' to arprcpriate the Crown-lands for the Royal Gardens rather than have recourse to a vote. Mr. WAKLEY admitted that the villas would not much diminish the means of recreation. Sir 'l'. FREMANTLE said that no benefit was derived from the gardens to the Royal Family. After some further discussion the Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Wednesday next. The Frogmore Lodge Bill was read a second time. The Lunatics' Bill was read a second time. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL moved for copies of all eel' , respond a e i d n e Es b l e . t , w a •e n e d n A L i o e r x d 4T - I v ci i o s r e N ou i n x t on A , io u rp 4g et ., ll la N t r u m ig a h ri fitierlff of Fermanagh, relative to the return to the writ of election for that county,—Agreed to. Captain PECHELL moved that the return, made in pursuance of -Act 4th Geo. IV., c. 11—viz., copies of all cases•which have been stated and signed by Commis sioners acting in execution of the Acts relating to t 4 assessed taxes, which have been presento thi§ Once No, 87 of S'e§§ion 8:1. 1 OMR! (wtil the ex, WELLon of the P E P ,, P : i f Q t E e ri llfo nif i t : n o d i n B .s:e 3 r r g v . fautioeilTß'rmiloaut,4lhilee) 'r!v n i n i o 4i tiOn was nega tived without A :!::tion. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of Ow EX CHEQUER, a Select conllPiViAl appointed, to con. 014 ax3d rpprt on the plan submitted by the archi inoi Qi t i oe , iiciw Itbuses of Parliament, for the ventila tion and warming_ of the Houses of rarliataeat, and for rendering them *011.414 ADMINISTRATIO'N OF JUSTICE BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought in a Bill for facilitating the Administration of Justice. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman stated that the IVI was, pre - eisely the quip Nyhic:h 1 - 0 pissetl the House of T.,ords, and nearly receiye4 the sanction of the House ; but hha - b,een .withiliawn on account of some money clauses having been inadvertently introduced the othe'r. T-Tullse T The Ifouse then adjourned shortly after One o'Clock. On Thursday morning-, Ryles, a Birkenhead watchman, caught, at Woodside Ferry, an eel, which Pleasured in length 5 feet. 9 inches, and in girth 1t inches. It weighed 29,1 b. Ryles, who fov i ght the M unster snore than half an hour before he could capture it, had his hand severely bitten.— kiverol EVENING SUN money which their agent, Mr. Mullender, had received frta• his clients, upon the prom:se, regularly attested by duel.; rents, to send these poor own out to .Austra lia. each of the cases th e exupiainants had di ;posed of ull their earthly goods in order to pay up the ilifferenc;; be" tween the Government allowance and the broker's de: mend. In one case the :qit of 51. was paid ;in another the sum of 41. ; in a third the sum of 0 1.; and in a fd t l ith the sum of IL Mr. Carter said that Mr. Mullender applied to the house for employment in the way alluded to, but the aP„" plieation was nut listened to, for the firm perfectly understood to what abuse an agenc y of the kind dzg a be subJected. They would, if the party guilty of pill dering the poor men were prosecut e d, pay id. towai— the expenses of the prosecution. • The Attorney said he had every reason to believe the he could prove the agency of Mr. Mullender to the hous e of Messrs. Carter and Bonus, and that the Alderatall would not hesitate to pronounce them responsible. Joseph Relfe, a carpenter, residing at No. 22, de Peerless" row, City-road, stated that about two months ag e ' applied to Mr. John Mullender, of No. 24, 1 4 4 Britain, on the subject of emigration, that person bei % the nearest emigration agent to his residence. Ti,,% were bills pasted about the house announcing th e and Mr. Mullender informed him that the demand for the passage of his wife and two children and WI; self would be a, but agreed to reduce it to 51., stati o n the same time that as another woman was going °n' one of the children should be put down opposite to her rtf r ; and that he (Mr. Mullender) was acting for 31e ';;„, Carter and Bonus, of Leadenhall-street, and there i ," ir no occasion for witness to go any further. Mr. Ailt ue , he der further stated that he was under a bond WA, amount of 4001. to the gentlemen he representel witness then produced a pasteboard with a bill conistii: ing the particular informati on on w hi c h those vil' . l l l , o tended to emigrate were required to ac t, and 'wilin g , said had been taken from Mr. Mullender s offices. Ile noticed other documents, which left no doubt in " al mind as to the agency. bee n Mr. Carter declared that the pasteboard NO stolen from the outer office of the firm, where it W oe accustomed to hang. Witness stated that uP°ll.6O - interview he paid Mr. Mullender IL. and at a si l l to quent time, when the certificates and p a p ers suPP°se be necessary were delivered, he paid the additional of 41. to that gentleman, but never saw him afterwar" Thomas Norman, of No. 19, Peerless-row, CitY'rcno father-in-law to the fi rs t w it ness , stated that ,e, ° ,l o t quence of information f rom hi s son -i n -l aw , h e ea"; f ief Messrs. Carter and B onus ' s offices on the 6th and '' de dzi the present month, and saw a stout man, who aPP e .,I to be a principal clerk, with w h om h e commun icato^... o the subject of the intended emigration. The clerk, being asked whether Mr. Mullender was known to lied and employed by Messrs. Carter an d B on us, reß i te r " Yes ; he is employed to inquire a b ou t t h e harit e and circumstances of those who apply f or f r ee e° 1 1;;# don." The clerk also, upon being inf orme d of tilt n o fr of the party for whom the witness was interetecbspi served that the papers of that person were reAtclY , '"o that he was to pay 81., upon which witness said thassid, agreement had been made for 'a., and the clerk " Itihy, he has got two children." 311 ‘ Alderman PIRIE— Did the clerk say that your so law was to call at the office ? Witness—He said 71, my son-in-law ought to call, but he did not strictly rest that he should call. A lder The Attorney for the complainants a s ked the man whether he was satisfied as to the agency. of Mullender, after the evidence just detailed ? 00 1 Alderman PIRIE--I do not think that you have 1 31.- I ,i o / the agency. It is evident that a gr ea t d ea l of illfs e '',o has been done to poor people, but Mullender, by I showing, has been employed merely to inquire fl e a the characters and circumstances of those-who inte n a to emigrate. I shall give you every assistance the power, and I should be very glad if you could prov agency, for these gentlemen are well able, and, 1 is sure, well-disposed to pay, if they are, either in law o r honour, bound to pay. t the The Attorney for the complainants submitted tha t t ho production of the printed papers, in conjunction with evidence, was adequate proof of the agency. doubt, Alderman PIRIE—Any body could, I have no /t s, have got these papers, or counterparts of them. you must be aware, one thing to etnyloy a man to , 00 ceive money, and another to employ him to inquire in matters of a different kind. The Solicitor to the complainants said that h e 0 evidence which, he thought, would mor e eo mplutelY the agency of Mr. Mullender. ,t F. D. Watson, who said that he was a clerk- °"" t he employment, made a statement as to having gone t o oi office of Messrs. Carter and Bonus on the business a$ emigration ; but his evidence made no addition to already disclosed. Maurice Cochrane, labourer, stated that he, too, applied to Mr. Mullender on the subject of emigr ' otTr e and that he received from that individual a certi 6e ,:io for his wife, his children, and himself ; after whie p t he accompanied Mr. Mullender three or four times t°; e f office of Messrs. Carter and Bonus. Mr. Mull en- t e ' brought out the papers, pinned together, fro t° ;0 0 office, and gave them to the witness ; and. did vi'. t eti other things, which gave him all the appearance o f h authorised, rf the Alderman PIRIE repeated that the attorneY °n us had failed to prove the agen cy °: „ Af , bhf der upon the part of Messrs. Cart er an d Be n— o pt , quite enough was stated to p rove th a t the poor .4 acted on the belief that'that i m p os t er was all autholfok person. It was quite 'evident that the conduct of r a il lender was directed t o th e o bj ec t o f i mpress ing:Po , them that they were to p a y hi m , an d t h at he would count to Messrs. Carter and Bonus. A ir Mr. Carter said th a t b e f e lt t h e d eepest regre t all il p, dignation at th e ser i ous i n j ury d one to t h e Po°- to di plicants. Mullender had called at the office, and st a d that he had been a c ti ng f or e th er s hi p b ro k ers engage sail emigration business, and had quarrelled with their' that there were some poor persons whom his former itit ployers had disappointed, and who would be g r ips' 00 served if the firm would give th em a p ass age to . tralia. lie (Mr. Carter) consented to give them sage if their certificates were correct, and the nee e preliminaries were arranged ; but the firm nev, er '6O received a farthing. Mull e nder h a d a ppli e d, in the 0d instance, to be employed as an agen t, b u t the fon° ,- by no means employ him, a s h a d b een p rev iously st a g o because they kn e w wh a t a d van t age m i g ht be tithe pp the authority to act under such circumstances. Th e y that a gross imposition had been practised, upon the 0 fortunate complainants, and would most willingly tio the Alderman might think proper to suggest. , t tie The Attorney to th e com pl a i nants sta t e d tiotatv amount of the united sums paid to Mullender, obtain which his poor clients had made the greatest ertions of which they were capable, was 19/. a ,1 f Alderman Finn: (to Mr. Carter)—Then I 10011,,lie vise, as these poor fellows paid Mullender in the 'ciot that he was the agent for your house, that Ye tt them 101. amongst them. That, I think, will be extr e ,i tf) liberal upon your p ar t, an d w ill b e qu i te a godse" them. f or Mr. Carter m os t cor di a ll y assente d , an d to ld the it- otiO ney for the complainants that he wou ld g i ve la t °w ies. the prosec u ti on of Mullender for so g ross and he' a robbery. tht es Alderman PIRIE had great reason to apprehen there was a vast deal of foul play going on as to ro , ;ration, an d th a t i mpos i t i ons were pract i se d in 11,.,eg variety of cases , t h e temptat i on to plunder he,'" 1,01 4 , creased in prop or ti on t o t h e i gnorance o f t h ose w° o ,;es desirou s t o go a b roa d , and to the imagined difilcu , bpi : detection. He happened to belong to this sort o' ac te° noss, which made him conversant with matters co l t o , l l ° with emigration, an d h e ca ll e d upon a ll pers, °° o - meant to go abroad t o b e t ter t h e i r con di t i on, to u e cularly cautious to whom they paid their money' haps the exposure which had that da taken place a- lied be the best mode of checking an evil y which he Ant/ the gpa scribe l eu r ib e i ulai ,oity v. e a, ; : a c sso h ef exdcei incalculable, le a sd rf o t_ f t o l ll iteie.ttst such a l s :e oh i nodens(isi:::Ejol le-5111$ LADIES' GOLD WATCHES may be se loo3 „lak" from in gr , ,,at variety, either of London or Foreig% price Ter, Guineas each. They are with gold dials an hie° e "• A printed warranty is given, with fixed tertos , ° . .e watches will always receive any attention iequir e ,,facl ut foreign make are small and flat, those of English in s '' are not quite so small. T. COX SAVORY, e do o ' Watchmaker Gold and Silversmith, 47, Cornhtll n from Gracechurch-street), London, N.B. Second-hand Watches purchased hsfx.cl .............—,—.....—.................. BIRTH'S. t he O of fl nthe . l62l . l .l i . nst H ., ug a h t e, L , ouwseqr. Marine.,lssi,tatenrtr_ascue;ge 11 0 Ia n r , gn f at: 0 0 10 lady y , Medical Service, of a SO O. o On the 17th inst.. Mrs. Hen derson, of Mansell -street' a son. On the 18th inst., in Oxrord-squire, Hyde -park, the 101 / ° J. P. Judd, Esq., ...f a daughter. too or On the 18th inst. , in Gr o s v enor - crescent, the Coun Clarendon, of a daughter. or ife On the 18th inst. , in Mecklenburgh-square, the W, „ u rs , , Laic Braithwaite, Esq., of twins, who survi ve d on ly a fey/ ' 1 " el On the 18th inst., the lady of W. H. 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Esq., late of Calcutta, to Agnes Sophia Nicholls, fourth ter of John George Nicholls, Esq., of West Moulscy• si dhr On the 16th inst., at St. Mark's, Kennington , M a te Esq , of S a li s b ur y, t o S ar ah, se cond daughter of th Hilton, of Kennington. On the 18th inst., at St. Peter's, Walworth, Frederick eldest Esq., of the Stock Exchange, to Catherine Laur_ a i ' wor th• daughter of John Bigg, Esq., of Apollo -buildings, "';„. p r ice: 011 the 18th inst., at St. Mary's, Islington Mr. avi tro to Sarah Caroline, youngest daughter of the late M • George Short, Newnhain, Northamptonshire DIED. Lou is* On the 18th inst., at Priests, Bamford, Essex,6. youngest daughter of Octavius Mashiter , Esq ., aged f On the 19th inst. , in London , Daniel Jones , Esq" ° pre, Glamorgan, aged 89. __„ Jul On the 17th inst., at Brompton, Middlesex, Francr,; i%. /c, 0) relict of the late Captain George Woods Sa rnia, , no Ill s West Cowes, Isle of Wight. On the 12th of May last, at the island of JunlEo) l°ll 4 o,4l passage to China, Lieutenant Standish Haly, , lilth I , l . % ° ll4 ibitr i Regiment, youngest son of Aylmer Haly, o f C as tle, Sussex. te • 19fie° On the 10th inst , at Malvern, Anne, relict of the la te Alston, Esq., of Winson-hill, near Birmingliatis n+