The Sun. — London, England, 1841-09-21 00:00:00

• ..,., , NINu SUN meant to do with the unions that were not yet.in ided in the Bill for the Continuance of the Poor-law ornmission? Sir R. PEEL said he had explained his intentions but : 1 . short time since. He thought it would be prudent to . _include such unions in the general Act when it would be Nought foeward. It would be competent for the Hon. should be excludeber to proposed if he thought in the Commit Cie unione that some fit. Sur TRISH CHANCELLORSHIP. of irr brig io: LIPOMAS WYLDE • sa id h e was desirous ding befor e the House the prop r i et y o f hi s R i ght in''ee gable Fri en d, t h e Chancellor of lialend, continu sit i n t h at House after accenting the office ` atancellor. The principle of the constitution shy , that whoever should accept such an office irdd go b ac k to h i s constituents before he could sit t it , that Heuse. It was rendered necessary by statute he should do so. But it was said that some :remony, requisite upon the announcement of g :tat appointment, had not been gone through, =`. and that therefore his Right lion. Friend had not been guilty of any violation of the statute. But he would say that a more dangerous and decided invasion of the prin ciple of that Act of Paeliament had never been made. His . Right Hon. Friend had been s by the authority of the Crown, appointed t o the high office of Chancellor of Ire land. He accepteel that appointment, and having done so, he (Sir 'l'. W.) begged to know whether the influence . arising from thet office, whatever it might be, did not ells , entitle him from sitting in that House, or what part of that Mr.uence was withheld, the absence of which ' e ntitled him to do ao ? What practice could be more. etangerous than that a person so situated may be abl e . to. vote on questions o f supp l y , an d every 3t1- ..al"- question aff ec ti ng t h e property and liberty of e subjeet? . He, therefore, begged to say be would 'only bring the subject under the cons id erat i on flip Hou se , a ddi ng et the same time that he meant ' ) thiee,* personal -to his , Right Hon. Friend, for nu an could entertain a; higher regard for him than he T. Wilde) did,. but he had a higher regard 1 , 0 r th e lib erty of the people and the character of the 4 i. ouse, which he thought the conduct of the Right Ho n' nu-able. Gentleman was calculated to injure. He ntlei. :istel his occ u pyi ng his- 'seat was an invasion lne a , Act of Parliament, and he would feel it his duty to the m a tt er b e f ore the consideration of the House. , E. SUGDEN said that as be was not present at early part of the observations of the Honourable r.d Learned G ent l eman, he could not make any ' 11"Ple to them ; b ut h e un d erstoo d t h e H onoura b le, ac ' T i ber to say that be (Sir Edward Sugden) was unconstitutionally in retaining his seat in that T ii "I se, having accepted the office of Lord Chancellor of -'land. He woulei beg to say he did so. because he conceived that he did not legally fill that office th °ugh he consented- to do so. He considered it s duty t o hi s constituents not to abandon the trust avc ey reposed in him, until he had lost it in law. He , old also say tbat he bad not voted on any question sic ce he accepted that office. He would say, and the Ile , use would believe him, that he had no intention of act ing uncorestitutionally, and he was never so surprised as when, without the least notice—(Cheers from the isterial benehes)—he heard the speech of the Hon. nd Learr Gentleman. And when he was pleased to s ay, in hisspeech, that he entertained kindly feelings to ss 'ards bnn (Sir E. Sugden) h e cou ld on l y say that by his_ ne t s h e did not show it.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Ile 'eelieved he was standing on his right as Mem ber for Ripon, by maintaining his place in that 4otise. He did not wish to carry the principle to any in convenient extent, and if it were the opinion ofto e House th a t h e was stretching the constitutional. I pi inciple, he would at once withdraw—(Hear, hear)- i it he did nc t consider he had lost his rights as a Mc An -134 •r of Parlias.nent until he actually filled the office w' fl i s h• In had accepted. At that moment he was not legally Lord C. hancellor of Ireland. Lord Campbell still, legally spe a k.... in gs held - that office. It was not an accept ssee of. ice, tv ithin the meaning of the Aet, ' till th e appoif unseat had actually taken r.) until It was nof an accept ance to say h e we — (Hear.) t. e Tire Minister might w ithd raw his ofife- suld accept. was heltl, by patent, and the deliver ./ ' • The office Seal int o hi s h an d was certainly of the Great zessary before the appoint, 'tent could take effect. h at seal still remained in the c t tstody of those to whom .3. s de livered t. The patents' ere not ‘ord Campbell had ore . perfected, and therefore monies the; s were so, and until all the necessary cere monies had b een gone 'throw gh he could not be eon , sidered as Lord Chancellr ,r of Ireland. He hoped the H( ,use would acquit -dm of any improper feeling, or of a ny presumption,Or . the subject ; but he considered • that hi s constituents Ise ould have a right to accuse him ofnq j eetin .g their it .terests, if he abstained from occu pying his place as. their representative, while he had a right 13) , law to do so. Sir- THOMAS WYLDE rose to exp l a i n why he had not I Pen netie e to his Right Hon. Friend, and in doing so w 0u 1.. .e. repeat . those expressions of courtesy i t i e e w 'aim which he had before used, although r. l `ne' v that his Right Hon. Friend had a very : method of tick wleding any courtesies.—(Hear, lbee r, ' and a laugh.) He was not aware when he entered FOI louse that it was the intention of his Honourable ri or .d to rut a quest i on to the Right Honourable Vare, act opposite on the subject ; but. that question g been p u t, h e felt it his duty when • he he •ard the answer, to lose no time in giving notice of hi e iu tention to bring the subject before the House ; and he ha d consequently no opportunity of giving notice to ight Hen. Friend. In that intention he had been confir alExl by- the very dangerous doctrin e l a id d own b y hi s ' Eig ht I lon. Friend, and he gave noti ce th at to - morrow slit i t tld draw the attention of the House to the subject. Lor • J. RUSSELL thought hi s H on. and Learned i?r iend iv ' as quite right, as the acceptance_of office by the not ix Hon. Gentleman had been published. He did wisher as gine th a t t h e Ri ght Hon. Gentleman opposite was I to retain hi s scat i mproperly ; but the question e n. a as t o t h e construction of an Act of Parliament, a nd e n° a a Ri g h t H on. Gentleman's interpretation was, that he v e could be prop er ly sa id to h ave accepted office until ie: ; in the full execution of the duties of that office, awl al the ne cessar y p re li m i nary forms had been gone throuf :h. In some offices, such as th ose o f a S ecretary of Stale, this co u ld be don e a t once; b at i n others, such as tb Lose of the Lords of the Admiralty, the patent s would take a week to make out. When . he (Lord J. R.) vans appointed Pay - master of the Poree t , if., was three weeks before the patent was made out, but in all, those cases it had been customary, on the accept aNee 0 .-office, to move for a new writ. If it was right, that custom, ought to be continued ; if the construction of the Right -E :on. Gentleman was right, then it ought to Ire dis= conduit. d ; at all events the practice should be uniform. —(Hew r, hear.) A case had occurred during the late Ad ministration, in which Mr. Horsman, having ac cepted the office of: a Lord of the Treasury, Ron. G - entlemen opposite had raised a question respect ing his having voted in that House after he had de clared it' his addresses to his constituents that he accepti:d office. No ftsrther motion or discussion of the, 's ubject t oo k pl ace on that occasion, but after what had fallen frore the Right Hon. Gentleman he thought it ex t reme l y desirable that they should come to sc me understanding as to what was the real meaning of ti .e Act of Parliament. POOR-LAW. N :r. YORKE wished to know whether there vas any diffi Nulty in introducing into the proposed Poor--4n.w Bill a •cli :use taking f rom th e C omm i ssioners the pc) -. ver order ing• the indiscriminate separation of man an , wife. Si r R. PIEEL would consider the quest ..on, and give an anaw er to-morrow. At all events, he wou ld adopt such a course as should not preclude the H,m. Gentleman from bringi.74-, the question before the II j „„ . Mr. ' 17 0.W.i.1: said that if the p',ovision could not be introduced into the existing BR, it would be necessary, as far -.ts he was concerned, to .in ro uLe a &Tata e t d . • n • t Bill on tlie !subject. PRICE OF C('; RN IN RUSSIA. • ,11r. HARCOURT k.ad seen a Report from the Consu2, at , St. Peterrnurg, stating that, in 1835, in the Government of Tainboc, in Russia, 58 millions of quarters of gratin had been produced, and that the price of Wher e in St. Petersburgh at that time was iron t 13s. 6d. to 14s. Id. a quarter. _Now, this statement app ( ared to . .him so extraordinary that he should, hav E • paid no attention to it, had it not been sub -3uitt...4 ' both to t h e Foreign -office and to - the Board of Trade. if itHe wi s h e d to k now were true, be if so, it must have cause a most e important be:Aring on the discussion of the corn.opr.dou question ? Tb .e province was by no means a this corn ps,and - tiler, would b e at l east thirty millions of suer n A us _.. and from th at t h ey might judge what would "be the production of the rest of Russia, From the fAatement it appeared that the corn could be had at thri first hand in St. Petersburgh for 14s. a quarter, the chat:go of putting it on board ship would be 3s. 2d. A par',,er, the freight of ss. a quarter, so that it could ..be 4 , ....0ught into the Thames fur 225. 2d. a quarter. 8 s- d aty would enerefore be no protection, as with that :the t.rice would be only 30s. a quarter. Now he wished, 4 ! 4 a-„County Member, to enter into a dispassionate con ' Cderation of the Corn-laws, with a view of seeing what iTnodificatiou co uld b e ma d e i n t h em without. injury. 13ut this statement as to the corn produce •of Russia 'certainly required explanation.—(Hear, hear Th ey 'mid arrived , a t th ese resu l ts b y erroneous ca i ) - eu• larlons ; and h e , t h erefore, wished to ask h i s 0)Jle Priend whether any information received in the ee•arse of the last year confirmed those state anents ? If these were true, then it was impor tent t that the agr i cu l tur i sts should know what they had to contend with i n t h e event of the ..,▪ r;, ( 1 0 be_, m g opened ; and if the statements were incor teet, it Was equally desirable to allay the ungrounded alarm which they were calculated to excite. f° Lord P ALMERSTON said that there was no ground - 1 ' the alarm of his sH onoura bl e Friend, for the et4 rns from which he had just read were ."idew;ly erroneous. ' The province of Tamboc was rl-alle-z• than Ireland or S cot l an d i n the propor (4l of nineteen to twenty- two, and it was not '?robablo that -its productiveness was equal (.) t hat which was calculated in these papers. But there to the ac t ua l exports of corn from all Russia, r (l e A'as no reason for alarm. Even in the years of alleged . b duetiveness, 183 5 an d 1836, the export of wheat 4 Thi) St. Potersburgh was none..—(Hear, and a ktigh.) 4 Mr. • H ARCOURT said that he had fcit no alarm -whatever •t d h I d l- t, •dd that the document ~,,,._ ~ t e ia on y ) a . - ' 'rum %shah he had quoted was officl,ll. M WS, AND MEANS. . --, . t . t , r- TST ILLIA NISI said; that seeing the - Chancellor of he Exelequer then in his place, he would put to him the 4,questiou he had before put to the Right Hon. Baronet ;.._,l 3 Bir G. Clerk), namely, when it was his intention to ring forward the question of Ways and Means ? iz - 1. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said : o that tr it was his intention to bring forward the question a. 4 Monday next, if possible, but tint sooner. SYRIAN TARIFF. .1):1-._ BOWRING said that bef(w e he out the ouestion to her AlujesLX.s . Go) , kanaleut, ef.whi;:l;h(f had rived notice, on the subject of the great increase of duties on export . thand import said to be l • • at levied in Syria since province was restored to Turkish authority, T 11 1 1? 5 ovnON TUE 3 SDAY SEPTEMBER 21, 18413 k ) he would request the attention of the House to a short explanatory statement. For a long period there ha I existed between this country and the Ottoman empire a treaty of commerce, by which there was a duty of 3 percent. on exports and imports. It was known that great abuses ea isted, and that these duties were subject to heavy internal charges. In order to remove. this grievance, in 1836 a treaty was entered into, the object. of which was, instead of a duty of 3 per cent. to impose a duty 01'12 per cent. ort imports on the Turkish Treasury, and a duty of five yaw cent. on exports • for all internal taxes were put an end to. He was aware, that with respect to Turkey Proper, that treaty was of great %Tale and very important to commercial interests, but the treaty could only have been entered into by persons having an i mper f ect id ea of the state of 'Turkey and its dependencies, because, in many of them in which the internal duties were levied, the old g - :uty of three per cent. was not paid. In the provinces of the Danube the treaty was alt agether a dead letter, while in Syria it was grievously oppressive. It must have been to this treaty that Prince - liftatternich adverted in a despatch of the 20th April, 1841, in which he said that Hite was not altogether deceived, the Porte would have to aban don, in the greater part of its' dominions, the mode of receipt recently introduced into saveral of them. It won - Id seem that the Turks had imposed upon the inha bitant?. of Syria enormous duties, contrary to the argu ments entered into by her Majesty's Government. His I - lon. and Gallant Friend below, in an address to the S yrians, dated August, last year, said " The Allied Powers have engaged to recommend the Sultan to make an arrangement which will your conditi on happy a li prosperous. Lord Ponsonby wrote that the , Porto had engaged to make a remission of taxes. Tho Yoble Lord the Member fiz Tiverton himself said t'ie honour of the British, Crown requires that the a-omises made to Syria . - by the British GovernMent abould be fulfilled." Yar. Wood certainly went very far indeed in his promises, and in some of his despatches was very extraordinary language ; for this Turkish Envoy of a Turkish Government, called ;upon the inhabitants of Syria, in the n ame o f t h e :Koran, which he e n titl e d " the Holy Book and the Sacred :Law," to rebel, a n d L or d P onson b y said so great was his 'confidence in Mr. Wood, that he said, "I have instructed :Mr. Wood to consider himself absolutely free from the :authority- and control of everybody in Syria, in his oxen ti on of 'di e d ut i es o f the trust reposed in him by the Porte." The N oble Lord, in answer to the complaints which Caine to hi, a of the vexatious proceedings ot the Turkish trow a s towards the Christians, required Lord Ponsonby to give full satisfaction to them, and Lord Pensonby stated that the Porte was ready to take any measure for that purpose. Now, the Syrians had suffered much. Their towns had been destroyed ; their fields had been devastated, and numbers of them had perished. He re joiced that his Noble Friend was present who was cogni sant oF, and a party to, the promises given. His object in bringing forward the subject was to as'.; the. Right ?Honourable Baronet opposite whether her Majesty's Go •vernment were aware that the duties had beeu increase by the Turki s h aut h or i t i es' i n Syria, notwithstandit a e all the engag emen t s t o w hi c h hehad referred; and it • ther any measure had been taken to (drain • whe : those gri evances ? • Sir ROBERT PEEL sa i d the - oble Lo r d Opposite 4 redress o : would be bett er a bl e to answer • self.-.(A lanah.) He belie- a thed that i n 18 38 a treaty questi on t h an him was made, which for " r: tuted a d u ty o f 9 per o ith us internal monopolies ssti ba!en pre v i ous ly ar cent. upon exports. There had continued to be' . export duty o f 3 per cent., which ievied, which British and at prese n t t h e whole duty to S'abjects. were liable was a duty of 12 per cent, on ea,pa,rts. In some cases he apprehended that the operation of the levy of that duty might have borne hardly ". pon the native, inhabitants, comparing the pre s•, 'amount of duty to . w hi c h t h ey h ad formerly been a aoject. Bat, upon the whole, he apprehended that the substitution of a duty of 9 per cent, in lieu of the various monopolies and exactions which had before , pre • vailed, was an a d vantage to Br i t i sh commerce.. Taking Syria generally, lie apprehended there could be no doubt that the operation of the treaty had been satsifactory. Complaints were made by the inha bitants of Syria that they were subject to new impositions. He believed there had been Commissioners appointed by the Porte, who - had been in communication with the in habitants of Lebamin. Those people had demanded ex emption from the operation of :he new duties for a period of three years, in consequence of the assurances which had been given them by the Turkish authorities. That question still remained unsettled. It was, however, un der consideration. He (Sir R. Pepl) could only say that there would be every dispositioa' on the part of the GoVernment of this country to use 'their influence with Turkey, in order that the advantages .which the Syrians had aught to expect from the interference of British authority would be obtained. The Hon. Gentleman himself must see that the object of the operations in Syria being to restore Turkish independence, it was not in our power to interfere beyond certain limits. We could only interfere in the matter of a British subject being injured, or in order to induce the Porte to fulfil the en gagements into which it had entered. The object being to r. store Ottoman power when no such reasons as those existed, it was no easy =ltar for foreign Powers to in sist on the Porte observing 'Pertain conditions with re spect to its own subjects. He repeated, that all the in fluence which Government could use in preventing great chancres taking place to the injury of Syria would be ex erted to the utmost. Lord PALMERSTON said, that though the course was not a regular one, yet as he had something to do in these matters, he would make a few observations. He knew well the feelings of his Hon. Friend in favour of Mehemet Ali, and it was natural for ihim to have some anxiety on the state of Syria. The Hon. Gentle man was naturally anxious that the treaty of 1838 would not be extended to Egypt, because its operation would reduce those finances which Mehemet Ali applie , ' to purposes not agreeable to the Ottoman GoverP.:Aent. With respect to the people of Lebanon, regt!lat ens were entered into to prevent their being oppresa, u. In reply to some observations turn Lord C. HA MILTON, Lord PALMERSTON, 'aid that M r . W oo d was act ing under th e aut h or i ty ',I Lord Ponsonby, but in obedi ence to orders from ',7ne Turkish authorities. SUPPLY. On the I ..'irder of the Day fo r go i ng i nto Committee of Supply 'being read, .1 . 1. r. S. CRAWFORD said that he thought it neces sary to inquire into the distresses of the country before any grants of money were made. He thought it neces sary to make an appe a l on this subject again to the Right Hon. B:4-onet. He was the more tempted to do so, on accour of a comm un i cat i on w hi c h h e had received that moiming from Rochdale. In that letter he was in formed that there were in Rochdale 136 familik living at the rate of 6d. per head per week, 291 at 10d., 508 at Is., 1,850 at ls. Gd., 1;500 at ls. 9d.. and 812 at 2s, 2d. —(Hear, hear.) Five-sixths of the whole population were almost without blankets. When such statements were placed in the hands of a representative, it was his duty to call the attention of the House and the Government to tip:v.,. The Right Hon. Baronet required time to con siler how these evils were to be remedied. He would not object to give him time, but he thought five months too long in the distressed condition of 'the country,(Hear, hear.) If the Right Hon. Gentleman could not give the people permanent relief, he would at all events alleviate their sufferings by giving them cheap food.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet claiMed also a renewal of the new Poor. law Bill, which diminished to the. poor the means of obtaining relief.—(Hear, hear.) His majo— rides could only sustain him so long as they were in ac cordance with the feelings of the nation, to which, if they were adverse, the greater the majorities the greater his future weakness. The declaration of the Duke of Wellington, that no reform was wanted, produced the former Reform Bill. The declaration of the Minister that the people should not be relieved, and that their distress should not be inquired into, would produce a further reform. The conduct of Ministers would force the conviction on the people that there could be no re form until that House was further reformed. He (Mr. C.) did not desire to advance the interest of any party, or even to force any particular measure on the Government. What he complained of was the delay of five month.. , , and the indefinite postponement of relief. He would suggest that there should be a short adjournment of the House, to enable the Right Hon. Baronet to decide on his measures; but if that Right Hon. Gentleman persisted in the course which he had indicated, he (Mr. C.) would record his protest by saying " No " to the motion for a Committee of Supply. Sir R. PEEL could assure the Hon. Gentleman and the House that 'he heard with the deepest regret any statement of the suffering of any portion of the people. At the same time he had a strong impression that it was a very difficult matter to provide for such distress by any x , o b tl a h l i d i:ibl oo:ititte) a anyay legislative enactments, and he would be afraid that it would only be conducing to deceive the people were he t gradualst h n e ch (hnoaiLdee.a, hope ltiioo A rna l t l fioor t n h ii e mn y pt c rh o oe u vs l e d tualten otsf, slo t w o chiie d ethy o cd_ ti a tn i hso i liendsyt stet could - net by l eg i s l at i on at once improve the con f consistently with his duty purchase the acquiescence of the Hon. Member to the motion before the Chair, by holding Out any s n eh false hopes. - Mr. THORNELY was sorry to hear the reply of the Right Hon. Baronet., for every branch of our fmanu an acturese wo u was ih in infi n a state of the u t most d epression, y d h nowtlditel' greater pleasure, wait there till February in an attempt to ameliorate the con dition of the people, than adjour n till that period with- • out affording any relief. Comparing the weekly consump tion of raw cotton in the Liverpool market in 1840 and the present time, it showed a diminution of one-sixth, and that within the short space of pornoep32•seiatr2oef had e found that practical men, irrespective of political opi nions, late Government mere all convinced would t tend c t l hat t greatly he to relieve the trade of the country. There was not less than 1,600,000 bond, which, at Bs. d uty, quarters of foreign to would - yield to the revenue 640,0001., but according no lwr.:•e than 80,0001. to the as the present at the present duty ofTlrse., u w r ould N ) v - h ie i l l d e Hear hear, and cheers.) enhanced by the, larger duty.—( the price to th e consumer would not ha y v ' e been In his opini on , thi s w h ea t wou ld not have cost the ear, have g a i ne d upwar d s o f h a lf a m ill ion con sumers one shilling more, although theof money.--(Hear, hear.) mai:age d t h ese averages. He wa hear.) G En tl emen i n t h e corn tra d e foresaw,stold in andAugust pro bably9th or 16th i nstant , w h eat wou ld come out last, o n the Corn Exchange at Manchester, o tl f ia b t o o n n d th a e t . ls. per quarter ; and the consequence of this expectation was, that all th e ordinary measures of commercial pro- Bence were set as id e , an d corn was procure d f rom a b r oad to any ex t ent, and at any cost. It was usual to fix the duty according to the value of the article. But let them look at the present rate of duty on corn. Wheat was at Is. per quarter, barley 6s. 4d., rye 10s. 4d., oats, 12s. 4d., and peas 's. Then let them look at the operation of the Corn-laws as respected the United States. It was quite clear that Gentlemen who thought in August last the duty would be now at Is. per quarter, would be able to bring in corn from the nearest ports in Europe, but it was impossible for the United States to send in a single bushel, and therefore what advantage to them would be the low duty? We were new in treaty with the United States, to put. there eft ft rooting with the most favoured imam WO could not then charge her a higher rated dots' Y for her agricultural productions than the Continent of Europe; but from the effect of dietance, they would be completely shut out from corn mercial intercourse as regarded corn and flour, when their object would be to take advantage of the Corn•clutee 110 submitted these considerations to the House: The Ame rican tariff would reach its lowest point in October next. It would then be taken again into consideration. Unless in the interval, the Government of this country would put the productions of the -United States on a reason able footing---(Hear, henr.)e-they might be perfeetly certain that the duty on the importation of British manufactories would be greatly increased; and they would probably lose the only opportunity they might ever have to gain such access to that market as: we ought to have.--(Hear, hear.) On th e ques ti on o f the Sugar Ditties, when the late Chancellor of the Ex .eheener proposed to. reduce the duty on foreign sugar, the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool (Lord San don) carried an amendment against the reduction, the main reason assigned for which was, that encourage ment should be given to the production of free labour in opposition to that of slave labour. But the merchants of Liverpool seemed not to be of the same opinion with the Noble Lord, for it was a curious fact that all the sugar refiners in Liverpool had ceased to refine sugar, the produce of the B r iti s h co l on i es i n t h e W est Indies, and. were all carrying on a vereeextensive, and, as he believed, lucrative trade in refining foreign sugar in bond.—(Hear, hear.) In one week 1,100 boxes of Cuba sugar were taken in by the merchants of Liver pool to be relined. The price of raw sugar in bond was 2d. per lb., when refined it was 4d, per lb., and all the rest of the price was' duty paid to Government for the sake of monopoly, and to exclude the foreign and cheap article.—(Hear, hear.) He was quite certain that if her Majesty's late Government had carried their proposition for a 12s. duty on foreign sugars, not one single week would have elapsed in which the grocer and the refiner would not have ticketed foreign sugar. The country would have been benefitted by the reduction in price, and the revenue would have largely in creased. In conclusion he (Mr. Thornely) begged to observe that he had passed through commerciallife, and had retired from business. He had never entertained any other commercial principles than those of free trade, and all observation perfectly convinced him of their soundness. He had long seen the working of these prin ciples of monopoly in this country, and when he went into the Committee on Import Duties he certainly foresaw what facts would be elicited in that examination, and he was not, therefore, surprised at the effect the report of that Committee 'had had upon this and foreign coup• tries.—(Hear, hear.) He knew that it was read exten sively, and with delight, in the United States ; but they said, 'whenever you act on these principles you may then safely hold up your heads, and ask for free trade with other countries ; but whatever may be your prin ciples, while your practice is so injudicious, you have little claim on the sympathies and liberality of other na tions.—(Hear.) He would only further say, that, being as early in his attendance at the House as any other Member, he had heard the prayers read that day at the table ; one of' which was that they " might lay, aside all private interests, prejudices, and personal atflxtions ;" and he would hope that this was done by every man on his crossing the door of that House ; for whether a man of that House was a landowner, manufacturer, or mer chant, he had a duty to perform to his constituents, his country, and mankind, and he ought, therefore, to lay aside these feelings.—(Hear.) He begged to urge these considerations on Hon. Gentlemen opposite. He also than'ked her Majesty's late Ministers for what they had clone. They had attempted to open the doors of com mercial freedom for our benefit and that of all mankind. The Right. Hon. Gentleman (Sir 11. Peel) had now a similar Opportunity, and if he would avail himself of it he might set at defiance all who looked to their private interests, and do great good to the people of this country, for which they would ever after be eminently grateful. Mr. YORKE said immediate relief for the distress of ' the country was their primary object, and the responsi bility of the Right llon. Baronet opposite should also be taken into consideration. The late Government were beaten upon distinct principles distinctly proposed. The Right Hon. Baronet voted against; those principles, and, therefore, it was incumbent upon him not to •leave the House - without proposing a substitute for them. It was with unaffected regret that he he' had heard the Right Hon. Baronet intimate his intention to propose measures -all excellent in their way—for the ventilation of the House, the centralization of royal vegetables, the union of royal demesnes, and the extension of the New Poor-law, to the supreme detestation of which so Many Hon. Gentlemen opposite ,were indebted for their seats—(Hear, hear)—and having done this, it sent the country gentlemen home for the vacation.—(Hear, hear.) He feared the Right Hon. Baronet, who ob jected to let them proceed then, would find himself equally unable, when they reassembled, to provide a re medy for evils which might, in the interim, greatly in crease.---(Hear.) On the question, that the Speaker do leave the Chair, the House divided, when there appeared— For the motion Against Majority --- 114 The Houso then went into a Committee of Supply. A vote of 54,0001., for defraying the expenses of the insurrection in Canada, was agreed to. A vote of 60,0001., for completing the Civil Contin gencies, being proposed, Colonel SIBTHORP said he trusted that the time of jobbing was past away along with the late Ministry. He could not avoid referring to the expenses attendant on the appointment of a Noble and Learned Lord to all , '3udicate for about seventeen days on a few Chancery suits in Ireland, to say nothing of these other jobs which filled the civil contingencies and miscellaneous- estimates for the last ten years. He saw a grant to an Hon. Mem ber, towards whom he entertained no objection. He ad mitted ho was a gentleman of great assiduity and talents, and it was not he, but those who made the appointment, that were to blame. He alluded to the appointment of the Hon. Member for Bolton, then Member for Kilmarnock, who for two years five months and six days held a consi derable salary, in conjunction with another gentleman, for duties connected With an inquiry into the state of fo reign trade. The official return, granted on a motion made by him (Colonel Sibthorp) showed that the ex penses of that appointment amounted to 7,159/. 15s. Od e and all that money was for four or five reports, which might be very good, but which he (Colonel Sibthorp) did not read, nor did he intend to read it. Of the late Government, however, as it was-defunct, he would ob serve the old adage de mortuis nil nisi bonum. Mr. WILLIAMS trusted the Hon. and Gallant Colo nel would pursue the same course towards his own party, as that which he joined him (Mr. Williams) in pursuing towards the late Ministry when in office. The Hon. and Gallant Colonel formed an exception to his party when they supported the late Government in any extravagance. He (Mr. Williams) would not allow the present vote to pass without culling the attention of Government to some of the items, in the hope that when those pay ments came round again they might see the justice of omitting some of them. He thought that not a few of them were perfect masters of the public mo ney. He would first beg attention to the outfits of am bassadors. He thought that Government would find many competent persons to fill those offices for the et1;o- Itunents of them without any extra expense for outfits. There was one item of 31.9.1. paid to the Marshal of the Ceremonies for packing pictures for the service of the Embassy at Paris. He objected to this expenditure, because the revenue could not afford it ; and if more taxation was to be raised, Gentlemen would find the inconvenience of it, as recourse must be had for that pur pose to the class to which Hon. Gentlemen belonged. Other items were 57e1. expenses attendant on the visits of distinguished personages; 4601., expenses connected with the Tower of London ; 4601, amount of gratuities paid to officers of'the Court of Exchequer ; 3871. 16s. 6d. expense of appointing Mr. Poulett Thompson, now Lord Sydenham, to be Captin-General over British North America ; and, lastly, there was an item of 1,4551. 25. 4d. paid to sundry persons, as of her Majesty's bounty. He should like to know what that was? The CHAIRMAN then put the question that 60,0001. be granted to her Majesty for completing the Civil con tingencies to the 31st of March, 1842, when Lord J. RUSSELL said that with respect to Ambas sadors and Ministers abroad, lie should not think that the expenses of their outfit ought to be objected to. It was allowed for a series of 3-ears, and he thought it a very proper expense. .If they appointed none but men of considerable fortune, why, then they might not make such grants ; but if they appointed men of considerable talent and small income, who might not be able to com mand the necessary sum for an outfit, then it bacame a very proper • expense ; and to make any distinction between individuals would be invidious. With respect to the Governor-Generalship of Canada, he believed so far from having derived any advantage from that situation, Lord Sydenham had expended a part of his own private fortune in consequence of accepting it. In cases of that kind numbers were found willing to ac cept the situation from ambition and the desire of public service ; but he did not think that, because such a desire prevailed, the provision should be made inadequate to the expenses. With regard to the services of 1)r. Bow ring, they hal already been discussed, and it was not necessary for him to refer to them again. Lord C. HAMILTON said, as he understood that certain passages had . becn eut o u t of 1)r. Bowring's Re port, he wo u ld be glad to be informed bj the Noble Lord opposite whether that statement was correct ? Lord PALMERSTON replied that he certainly had cut out several passages, amongst which was the expres sion of " sovereign," as applied to Mehemet Ali, and several eulogiums upon his Administration, but he had removed no part of the statistical information. The vote was then agreed to. Majesty toe m co o m ti p on lete tha ti t ie s w l, o 6 r s i . c t s /. 01 1 . 0 t s h . e b v e ari g o r u a s n p te u d bl t i o c her O de partments, Mr. WILLIAMS said he could not but take that op portunity of referring to the unnecessary expense of malntaining the various palaces. There were in all nine royal palaces and residences. He thought some of those palaces inii , ht . be closed Without any inconvenience to her Majesty. P lhe peopl e of England had no desire to control her of any anything tending to her comfort or happiness; but there were several palaces which she never saw, and another was kept solely for the accommodation of foreign sovereigns. H e h ope d h er Majesty ' s Government would give their attention to this subject, and in this hope he would not.propose any reduction. Mr. WAKLEY said, although the remarks of the Hon. Member were very useful, he was afraid they would be of no avail. There was no doubt that the expenditure was very extravagant. One would suppose, from the es mates, that there was no distress existing amongst the people. But who Was to blasue? It, appeared to him that it was entirely owing to the wantonness of that House in vo ti n g the public money. Immediately the votes were proposed the majority of the Members left their seats, A change having taken niaCe in the Administration of the country, it,appeaeed to it that they il-ere bound to re:Whit patiently to what was proposed. It; after a fair trial had been given to the Government, these cur tailments were not made, which the people had a right to expect, it would be for them then to state their disapprobation. That House,' es it was then constituted, Ives the offspring of the Noble Lord (Lord John Russell's) will, Who althottgli solicited again and again had said hb further refoem wee needed, and how could he com plain of the result ? There was one sum in the esti mates to which he could not help alluding, namely I,OOC/ r the expenses of the Ambassador in proceeding to Frankfort. No one could contend that such a sum was necessary. He did not complain of the manner in which the foreign affairs in general had been administered. He believed that the policy of the Noble Lord (Palmer ston) had placed England in a prouder position than she had ever occupied at any former period.—(Hear, hear.) But he thought if the Noble. Lord were to give the House the result of his experience he would give the House a list of many expenses which might be reduced in the foreign service. He trusted that the present Ad midistration would do all in their power to reduce the expenditure of the country. - • Mr. FIELDING said he was astonished at the lan guage of the Hon. Member.—(Hear, hear.) His con stituents distress him that th e y cou ld not cont i nue i n th e i r under distress oistre and ssi c tntil Febrh ar y nex t. Th e y l a bour e d Poverty too great to be endured; yet no assurances were given of relief. His Hon. •Friend he was sure could not be aware of the state of Lan eushiye. The best workmen in the manufacturing districts were leaving England to seek employment the erozlrerig(nles ofar hear.) What he required was, that the e ai p d he eoplevia should quite he considered.ready to Mr. WAKLEY agree in people, but why was not that remedy proposed ? Why did not the Hon. Gentleman propose such a remedy him. self if he knew what those suiferines were, and if he was not prepared with suc h remedy he ought to apply to others. After a few words from Mr. FIELDEN, Mr. EWART observed that the remedy of the Hon. Member for Finsbury appeared to consist in the word " patience," but in his (Mr. Ewart's) opinion, if the country were to adopt that remedy the Hon. Gentleman would soon hold an inquest on the' patient. —(Laughter.) He stated that the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Administration would not find his bed one of roses, but he (Mr. Etvart) thought that the lion. Gentleman would not make it one of thorns.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) He must say, that while he was ready to make fair allowance for the Right Hon. Baronet, he thought the time was come when he should be ready with a remedy.—(Hear, hear.) The distress of the country would.not permit them to wait • much longer, notwithstanding the eloquent homily and the " patience" of the Hon. Member for Finsbury. He rejoiced that the several parks were thrown open to the public!, and that the public were availing themselves of the advan tage. Ile trusted that Richmond Park would be thrown open to all persons, and he saw no reason for its being enclosed. With respect to the others, he thought it would be highly advantageous they should be also made available for the public accommodation. After a few words from Mr. TUFNELL, Mr. WAKLEY said he would adopt the suggestions of the Hon. Gentleman, and give the best advice he could to . the Member for Tamworth.—(Ministerial cheers.) But he did not think that Right lion. Gentle man should be pressed to propose measures without being allowed time to consider them.—(Hear, hear.) He did not understand the Right Hon. Gentleman required five months, but he understood that all he required was time, and he considered that was but a fair demand on the part of the Right Hon. Gentleman.—(Hear, hear.) But if those remedies were necessary, why should they wait for the Executive to propose them ? He thought it highly inexpedient to leave the introduction of those measures entirely to the Executive. But, at all events, they had no right to cast reproaches on those Gentlemen who gave time to the Executive, when they were not themselves prepared with any remedy. That was only shifting the blame off their own shoulders.. He would like to ask what would be the consequence now, if the proposition of the late Government was the law? Why, they would be paying at this mom en t a d uty o f Bs . in stead of ls.—(Ministerial cheers.) It was not fair of• the Hon. Member for Oldham to arraign others because they differed from him in opinion. —(Hear, hear.) If theft Honourable Gentleman was prepared with a a measure, well and good g but if not, he saw no reason why they should refuse time to the Memb er f o r Tem worth. It was, in his situation, but a reasonable re quest, and he (Mr. Wakley) thought it would be un just to refuse it.—(Cheers.) That injustice was nothing to him, but It was a great deal to the peopl e .—(H ear , hear.) They requited. the Right Hon. Baronet to come down with crude and undigested propositions ; but he (Mr. Wakley) would not lend himself to any factious opposition, nor paeticipate in it.—(Ministerial cheers.) Mr. WILLIAMS could not refrain from expressing his surprise at the altered opinions of the Hon. Gentle mtn.—(liette, hear.) There had been a time when he and the Hon. Gentleman agreed on most points, and he trusted they were not going to disagree now. He had offered himself as a great State doctor, but he was sur prised at his doctrines. The Hon. Gentleman appeared to he satisfied with, and was going to join, those who had been abusing the real remedy-.—(Hear.) Sir R. ING'LIS did not wish to obtrude himself upon the very pretty quarrel between the Hon.- Gentleman who seemed dying en the other side, and the other Hon. Gentleman who still survived upon his—(Laughter)— but he rose in reference to what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Dumfries. That Hon. Member seemed to him to take an erroneous view of the subject relating to the Royal Parks. He appeared to forget that as long ite the Crown possessed its hereditary revenues it never came to Parliament to defray the 'expense of maintaining them, and he thought that it should be as little expected that the Crown Parks ought to be opened to the public tie those which belonged 'to private persons. He would ask the Member for Coventry, who seemed to have as sumed the place of the late Member for Kilkenny, whe ther, as long as the Crown remained in possession of its own revenues, the care of its parks devolved upon the Parliament ? and if they now refused the care of those Parks and Palaces it would be a violation of the compact with the Crown. After a few words from Mr. EWART the vote IA ai agreed to. - 5,000/. was voted fo defraying the expenses of the works connected with Aingston harbour. 2.68(1. 10s. was voted for the repairs of the Holyhead road and harbour, and the Liverpool roads. On the vote of 21,0001. being put for defraying . the expenses of the b u ildi ng connecte d w ith th e British Museum. Mr. HAWES said he regretted that that magnificent portion of the British Museum containing the library was still closed to the public. He had heard it stated that the reason of its being closed was to enable the librarian to catalogue the books ; but if he was rightly informed, it would be kept closed after the cataloguing had been completed, because it was considered that per* sons passing through would cause such a dust as would injure the books. For his own part he did not think that such would be the base, and he hoped the Trustees, two of whom he then saw in the House, would take the subject into their consideration of opening the library to the public. Dr. BOWRING wished to know when the catalogue would be completed, and whether it would be printed ? Sir. R. PEEL stated that it would be completed as soon as possible. He thought it right that the public should have access to all the works in the British Museum, but he did not see the necessity of persons being permitted to pass through the rooms. Dr.BOWRING obserle ', that all the libraries abroad were open to the public. Sir R. INGLIS agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet, at the head of her Majesty's Government, that the library of the British Museum ought not to be made a passage room. With reference to what had fallen fr;in the Hon. Member for Bolton, he would venture to say, that that Hon. Member had never seen ten persons at a time in the Vatican, or the Library Royale in Paris. After a few observations from Mr. STUART WORT LEY, and Mr. EWART, the vote was agreed 'to - . 41841. 10s. was voted to complete the sum necessary to defray the present temporary accommodation for offices for both Houses of Parliament. 15,46C1. was vDted to complete the sum necessary to carry en the works connected with the New Houses of Parliament. 15,000/. was voted for the completion of the Model Prison, after a few observations from Mr. WILLIAMS. 3,5001. was voted to repair and complete prisons. 8441. 10s. was voted to promote a museum for the economical study of geology. 2,500/. was voted for erecting a hall for the General Assembly. of the Church, of Scotland in Edinburgh.' On the vote being put for the sum of 25,0004 for com pleting the sum necessary for defraying the expenses and improvements of the Caledonian Canal; Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the vote on the ground that it was part of the sum of 200,000/. recommended to be expended by a Committee, of which he was a member. In that Committee be had strongly objected to the expenditure of such a sum ; another Member considered the sum might b~ well applied, and the Chair man gave his casting vote in favour of the recommend ation. The Committee had written to Dublin, Belfast, Liverpool, Bristol, Hull, and several other ports, but not one of them thought the proposed improvement of the Canal would be of the slightest advantage to trade. The only answers that were favourable it to mu th st e proposi tiongreatly were from three Scotch ports.—(A laugh.) If itnheereassteeatilnlett:itgnsnualveerexpeenndliptie employed, it it would be at least five times greater than the present income. What he wanted was, that the Government should sen d down some engineers, and other persons, in whom they had confidence. but not belonging to Scotland —(A laugh)— and the works would never be undertaken. The Eight Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer would find himself 300,040/. richer than if those useless works were gone importance Scotland, and to support it. on with. If the Treasuryccuatni n a t l ies was og. it,ohefa it tc o 0 n ut, - ( r .! ),, ISectSotitirl:lelnt(. ports I,l E t E atni L ide doubted whether Scotland would accept the offered boon.—(Laughter.) He would have no he sitation in postponing the vote till next Session, and, in the meantime, he would assure the House that a strict and impartial inquiry should be instituted by persons not locally interested. If it were found to be useless, he would not hesitate to recommend that it should be aban- doncd. Sir G. CLERK denied that the canal was a work which had been taken in hand for the benefit of Scot• land. It was brought forward and p ressed b y the late Lord Colchester, Mr. Hawkins Browne, an d M r . S m i t h, of Norwich, not one of them being natives of tho coun try. Such undertakings ought alw a y s to b e l e f t to t h e enterprise of individuals. Companies could much easier keep down the expense than the Government. He was happy to be able to inform the Committee that within these few days there had been a renewal of the proposi tion to take the canal from the hands of the Govern , tnent,,andif, Unfortunately, that project failed, he would bate no hesitation in recommending the abandonment of the whole concern. The vote was then withdrawn. Sir G. CLERK then proposed that the sum of 2.5,000/. be granted to her Majesty fur completing the sum ne cessary for the payment of the salaries and expenses of the two Houses of Parliament. In answer to a question from Mr. THORNELY, Sir G. CLERK said the Sergeant-at-Arms attending the House of Lords had a deputy, but he peformed the duties generally personally. After a few words from Dr. BOWRING, which were not heard in the gallery, the vote was agreed to. 2G,3OCL were then voted to defray the expenses of the offices in her Mtgesty's Treasury. On the motion of Sir .G. CLERK that the sum of 10,750/. he granted for the expenses of the Home De partment, Colonel SIBTHORP took that occasion to complain of the appointment of Mr. Vizard to the office of Solicitor to the Home-office, as he was at the same time Secretary to the Commissioners of Bankruptcy, with a salary of 1,20 A a year. He begged to ask whether it was the in tention of the present Government to cancel that appoint ment or retain Mr. Vizard in office. Sir J. GRAHAM said that, although Mr. Vizard had been for twenty-five years his solicitor, he had felt it his duty in forty-eight hours after taking the seals, to inti mate to hits' his intention to inquire into the duties of the office and the necessity for its continuance ; adding that, as at present advised, he did not think Mr. Vizard would be retained as Solicitor to the Home Depart ment.—(Hear, hear.) ' - Sir T. WILDE said that the number of applications for legal advice made daily to the Home-office by coun try magistrates, when difficult legal questions arose, ren dered it necessary that there should be a solicitor in that department. He was convinced that the salary of the solicitor was much less than the amount of the fees which would have to be paid to the Solicitor or Attorney-Gene ral, if there were not such an official adviser connected with the department. Sir ROBERT PEEL had filled the office of Secre tary of State for several years, and had never felt any inconvenience in the want of a Solicitor to the Home Department. His Under Secretary, Mr. Hobhouse. was perfectly competent to advise upon all legal questions ; so much so that Sir Vicary Gibbs told him (Sir. 11. Peel) that he would not hesitate to put his name to any legal opinion given by Mr. Hohhouse.—(Hear, hear.) He thought it better to have a responsible Under Secretary competent to advise on legal matters than to have two distinct offices, a Secretary and a Solicitor.—(Hear.) Colonel SII3THORP expressed his satisfaction with what had fallen from the Right. Hon. Baronet. Mr. DUGDALE had been a Magistrate for many years before the office of Solicitor to the Home Depart ment was instituted, and he never found either difficulty or delay in obtaining advice from the Home- o ffi ce i n matters of law.—(Hear.) Sir T. WILDE said that it was unsafe and dangerous to rely upon the opiniOns of a lawyer who was not in constant acquaintance with the practice of the Courts. He could bear testimopy to the high character of Mr. Hohhouse, but he could not forget the opinion of Sir William Grant, who when he had been but six months out of practice, said that his opinion as a lawyer was good for nothing when he was no longer conversant %vial the daily practice of the Courts. Sir ROBERT TEEL said the Right Hon. Gentleman had stated, on the authority of Sir Wm. Grant, that the opinion' of a professional gentleman who had been six months out of pr was not to be relied on, how much more then did this statement weigh against the appoint ment of Mr. Vizard, who had been out of practice for two years.—(Loud laughter.) 1 Sir THOS. WILDE said that he did not suppose that Sir W T . Grant meant to.say that professional gentle Men under the circumstances alluded to, were unable to ex press an opinion, but that a person not in a course of professional reading, was not a safe adviser. It was true Mr. Vizard had given up the conduct of his private prac• tice, but he presumed that he had not given up his professional reading.—(Laughter.) He did not think the Right Hon. Baronet's a candid mode of meeting the argument, though it was a smart one—(Laughter)—and except fur the little advantage over him which h might afford to the Right Hon. Baronet, he did not think the time of the House had been usefully occupied by his an swer.—(Hear, and laughter.) In answer to a question from Mr. WILLIAMS, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that, if in discussing any estimates, any. Hon. Gentleman wished .for the details they should be furnished. The vote was then agreed to. The following votes were then agreed to without dis cussion :-44,000/. for the cpenses of the Foreign office ; 10,000/. expenses of the Colonhil-office ; 15,750/. expenses of Privy Council and CoMmittee of Privy, Council for trade ; 31,000/. expenses.of Privy Sell-office ; 17,473/. expenses of Paymaster-General's-office • 8,7851. Comptroller-General of Exchequer ; 1,0001. Professors at the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge. On the vote fur 6,6791. Commissioners of Insolvent Debtor's Court, being put, Mr. WILLIAMS said that he believed that if th e establishment was managed in the same manner as simi lar establishments in other countries, this expense might be avoided. It appeared to him extraordinary if the persons confined were employed beneficially, that they should not nearly defray their expenses. Dr. BOWRING also thought that a more economical system might be adopted in the establishment. • The vote was then agreed to. The following votes were also agreed to : 3,092/. 12s. fur the Juvenile Offenders' Penitentiary, Parkhurst, Isle of Wight ; 1,1411. State Paper-office ; 1,5001. for defraying the expenses or the Ecclesiastical Commissioners in England ; 29,6701. salaries and ex penses of the Commissioner° for the relief of the poor. • An IIoN. MEMBER on the Ministerial side of the House, whose name we could not learn, begged to say that unless a reduction took piece in the establishment of those offices, he should feel it his duty in the next Session of Parliament to move that the Commissions fur the Poor he reduced to the same scale as the ColllllllS sions of Excise, and of public departments. 6,7961. salaries and expenses of Consuls and Vice-Consols abroad ; 4,5001. salaries, &c., of Factory Commissioners; 3,100/. Inspectors of Prisons ; 15,7001. expenses of the Mint ; 2,500/. Commission with respect to the employment of children in mines and col leries ; 4,1001. compensation to persons who were for merly employed in the public service ; 3,2501. for the relief of emigrants ; 925/. national vaccine establish ment ; 1,500/. for the relief of the destitute ; 1,6951. expenses, &c. of the confinement of criminals a•id luna tics; 1,9501. for the purpose of assisting Protest.ant llis sentingMinisters, 19,600/. to complete the sum voted for foreign and secret service. Mr. WILLIAMS did not object to a certain sum being allowed as foreign and secret service money, but there would be no necessity for that money being legitimately employed in home service, He considered that the sum ought to be reduced, and he would divide the House on it. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, aria. the House divided, when there appeared— . . -137 For the original motion For the amendment Majority 41,0001. were voted for law charges. 39,0001. were voted for the Hulk Establishment at home and abroad. On the vote of 132,800 i. being proposed to defray the expenses of maintaining convicts, Mr. WILLIAMS said he would not oppose the vote, but he trusted that every means would be taken to dimi nish the expense of this item, which he conceived might be easily etfixted. After a few observations from Mr. V. SMITH . , Sir IL PEEL said he would take care that the whole of the estimates' should be narrowly looked into.—(Hear, hear.) He would make it an object of his solicitude that they should undergo a careful revision. --(Hear, hear.) The vote was then agreed to. 12,500/. were voted for the expenses attendant upon captive negroes. _ _ 5,169?. ;:as voted to complete the sum necessary to pay the salary of officers engaged in keeping the Public Records. 15,00 C/. was voted for public education in Great Britain. 2,6601. was voted to defray the expenses of the Uni versity of London. 795/. was voted for the support of the School of Design. 14,500/. was voted ibr the payment of the Revising 13a rristers. 6,16C1. was voted for the expenses incurred by Sheriffs. 73,00 CL was voted to defray certain charges hitherto paid out of county rates. 6,00C1. was voted for the assistance of the Polish re -fugees. 3,540/. was voted to enable the trustees of the British Museum to purchase certain manuscripts with respect to coins. 50,850/. was voted for compensation to the merchants who had suffered losses through the Spanish Government. 25,0001. was voted to defray the expenses of steam communication with India by way of the Red Sea. 2,5001. was voted to defray the Civil Establishment of the Bahama Islands. 2,024/. was voted to defray the Civil Establishment of the Bermudas. 1,535/, was also voted to defray the Civil Establishment of Prince Edward's Island. 5,4401. was voted to defray the expenses of the Civil Establishments of the western coast of Africa. 3,549/. was voted to defray the expenses of the Civil Establishment of Western Australia. 4,795/. was voted to defray the expenses of the Eccle siastical Establishment of the British North American Provinces. 9.4471. Ns. was voted to defray the expenses' of the Indian Deplitment in Canada. 5,3381. 10s. Nvgs voted for defraying the salaries of the Governors and Deputy-Governors of the West India Colonies. 5111. 10s. was . voted to defray the civil expenses of . • 29,3001. was voted to defray the salaries and allow ances of Stipendary Justices in the West Indies. 15,000/. was voted for supporting the religious and moral instructions of emancipated negroes. The following votes were also agreed to :-2001. for the establishment at Sable Island, Nova Scotia ; 19,987/. for the Niger expedition ; 3,000/. for the esta b:iAnent at New Zealand ; 2,211/. 10s. for the es tat lishment at Port Essex; 1,0001. for the Civil Establish n.ent at Falkland Island. On the vote for 5,000/. to assist in promotirg private Si bscriptions for the formation of.publie walks in great tcvras. Mr. BROTHERTON expressed his approbation of the vote, and expressed his regret that the state of the finances would not permit it to be carried to the extent that was desirable. _ _ On the vote of 5,000. for the same purpose with res pect to Schools of Design, Mr. WILLIAMS said that he cordially supported the , vote. He regretted that while every body admitted the : . o rt a nce of the object, nobody was found to e xert , r for its promotion. He would suggest that a him se' should be given to establish a school in any small sun. which would lay the foundation for it. As. country tom.. I, e , advantage of this plan, he would men an instance of evernment had sent a sch oo l mas t er Con that the late 'istrict, and establish e d a sc h oo l into the Spitalfields d that although thi s di str i c t there ; and he was inform, and as others, w ithi n th ree . forty-two schoi;,rs re had been praviously backs, months afterwards not less that. - invent had been at gularly attended, and that the expee ~ Ce off tended with the greatest possible advane on the s e Sir R. PEEL said he did not at all °Wee. that of economy to a grant of public money for pose. He thought it would be a very great age if such schools were established in the mannfactoring I tricts, particularly thqse which were connected with taste and the fine arts.—(Hear, hear.) It was impossible, however, that the Government alone could effect the ob ject. It might be done in Spitalfields ; but in New castle-upon-Tyne it could not be accomplished, without the superintendence of a local board. The tact was, that the wealthy in each district ought to take the lead ing point in such an object. He was quite certain that it would be the means of great usefulness. The Govern ment, in such a case, would be prepared to give its very best assistance. Mr. EWART said the subject befor the House came under the consideration of the Committee, of which he was Chairman six years ago. The recommendation of that Committee precisely accorded with the opinion of the Right Hon. Baronet ; it was a recommendation of assistance, not interference, on the part of the Govern ment, stating that local supervision was necessary to success. The late Government had carried out those principles, and he trusted that the present would pursue the same course. Dr. BOWRING expressed the pleasure he felt at hearing the remarks of the Right Hon. Baronet, and hoped to see the object carried out. The vote was then agreed ; to. The following sums were also voted :-1,7501. to com plete the purehass of pictures for the National Gallery; 2,2501. for the Lighthouse, at Morant Point, Jamaica ; 10,0001. for the census of the popula tion of Ireland; 37,1501. for grants to the Universities of Oxford; 25,0001. for education in Ireland; 4,795/. for the purpose of fbundingan hospital in,Dublin; 7,8461. 10s. to defray the expense of the House of Industry in Dub lin ; 5001. for the Female Orphan-house, Circular-road, Dublin; 1501. for the Westmoreland Lock Hospital, Dub lin; 750/. for Stevens' Hospital; 1,900/. for the Fever Hospital in Cork-street, Dublin; 2501. for the Hospital of Incurables. MAYNOOTH COLLEGE. On the sum of 4,464/. for the Roman Catholic College beine. proposed, PLUMPTRE said that he was always opposed to this grant, and he would not now agree to it. He did not wish to use harsh terms, but he never could 'consent to applying the public money to the propagation of error. lie should feel it his duty to divide the Homse on the vote. Major BRYANT said, if the Hon. Gentleman could not admit of this grant being made, the Irish people would not think of giving them money to support the propaga tion of what they considered to be error. Sir R. INGLIS trusted his Hon. Friend would"not di vide the House on the question. One half of the grant had already been given, and the parties in expectation of the residue had been led to increase their expenses on that: expectation.. His Hon. Friend could oppose the grant when it was proposed next year. , Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL should like to know of the the Right Hon. Baronet, who had just sat down, whether the observation of his Hon. Friend, the Member for Kil kenny (Major Bryant), should not apply to his (Sir R. Inglis) favourite question of Church Extension. He (Mr. M. J. O'Connell) should like the House to divide on the question, that. they might know the opinions of Hon. Gentlemen who were unprejudiced on the subject. He did not think that any Hon. Gent.enian would be wrong in voting against the grant on conscientious motives. If people were not to contribute to the sup port of erroneous doctrines none would more rejoice at it than the Roman Catholics of Ireland. After a few words from Mr. PAKINGTON and Mr. DARBY, Lord POLLING TON said that the Hon. Baronet (Sir R.. Inglis) seemed to justify the grant on the principle of prescription. Now, he should justify his vote on the present occasion on the ground of the great majority of the Irish people having a just claim. Sir R. PEEL said he must say he did not give his vote in favour of the present grant on the ground that one-half of the sum was already granted. He had given his vote for this grant for the last thirty years, in office and out of office, without feeling any violation of reli gious scruples, and he should do so on the present occa sion. Nevertheless he reserved to himself the right of making any proposal he might think proper respecting it in a future Session. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said the Right Hon. Baronet must have spoken of some Session previous to IS4O, since in that year, and in 1841, he was absent when the vote was proposed. Sir R. PEEL said that he had not only frequently voted for, but spoken in favour of the vote ; and his being absent oil any particular occasion when the vote passed, was no more proof of his being inimical to it than was that of the late Secretary of the Colonies, who was absent, that evening.—(Hear.) Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said the last two debates on the subject were the most important, and the absence of the Right Hon. Baronet was particularly remarked. Mr. PLUMPTRE said, that, as on former occasions, he shouldfeel it his duty to divide the louse against the vote. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but no divi sion took place. During our absence Mr. LAW addressed the House, and on our return to the gallery we found Mr. COCHRANE intimating his intention to divide against the vote. An HoN. MEMBER said he was surprised the Hon. Member fur Bridport (Mr. Cochrane) should divide against this vote, since he had not done so against the stun voted in the early part of the evening for the Gene ral Assembly of the Church of Scotland. Mr. FORBES said he thought if he voted for this grant he should be voting for a grant that would be in jurious to the Catholics in a religious point of view, and which would not promote the tranquillity of' Ireland. Mr. COCHRANE explained. There was no division on the vote to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, or he should certainly have voted against it. —(Loud cries of " Hear" from the Opposition.) The House then divided— For the vote Against it Majority The vote was then agreed to. Also 35C1. for charitAble‘uses in Ireland ; 975/. for the Royal Belfast Acadero.;:fl,2so/. for public buildings in Ireland ; 12,5421. lQii....expenses of the Department of Chief Secretary for rre - land. On the vote for 6,232!. expenses of the Lord Lieu tenant's Household being put, Lord CLEMENTS said he had a strong objection to the vote. He wished to see the office of Lord Lieutenant abolished. It was a perfectly antediluvian office. Gentlemen might laugh, and he agreed with them that nothing was more laughable than to see a gentleman of this country apeing royalty in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) He thought the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland should be ap pointed as in the counties of England, and not be attended with the paraphernalia of royalty, and that ridiculous household. He should not, however, divide the House on the present occasion.—The vote was agreed to. • The following votes were also agreed to :- 2,369/. for the Commission of Civil Service in Ireland. 3,0751. for the charges of printing proclamations and statutes in Ireland. 51,0001. for criminal prosecutions in Ireland. 19,0501. for the Metropolitan Police (Dublin). 1,392/. for defraying the charges of Public Works 3,600/. for the town-land survey in Ireland. 1,455/. for the Commissioners for the Improvement of the Shannon. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and ob tained leave to sit again on Wednesday next ; stud the House then resumed. • The Report on the Foreign Bishops' Bill was received. Sir T. FREMANTLE moved the recond reading of the Royal Gardens Bill. After a few words from Mr. PROTHEROE and Mr. WA KLEY. Sir R. PEEL said it was the intention of Government to have villas built upon the site of • the gardens, u hich would not much diminish the means of recreation to the people. He agreed in the suggestion of the' Noble Lord the late Commissioner of Woods and Forests, that it was better to appropriate the Crown-lands for the Royal Gardens rather than have recourse to a vote. Mr. WAKLEY admitted that the villas would not much diminish the means of recreation. Sir T. FREMANTLE said that no benefit was derived from the gardens to the Royal Family. After some further discussion the Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Wednesday next. 23 The Frogmore Lodge Bill was read a second time. The Lunatics' Bill was read a second time. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL moved for copies of all cor respondence between Lord Viscount Morpeth, Norman M`Donald, Esq., and Alexander Nixon, Esq., late High Sheriff of Fermanagh, relative to the return to the writ of election for that countv.—Agreed to. Captain PECHELL moved that the return, made in pursuance of Act 4th Geo. IV., c. 11—viz., copies of all cases which have been stated and signed by Commis sioners actin g i n execut i on of the Acts- relating to the assessed taxes, which have been presented to this House since No. 87 of Session ]832, be printed (with the ex ception of No. 187 of Session 1841). After a few observations from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and Dr. Bownmo, the motion was nega tived without a diVision. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER, a Select Committee was appointed, to con sider and report upon the plan submitted by the archi tect of the new Honses of Parliament, for the ventila tion and warmin; of the Houses of Parliament, and for rendering them fire-pro 3f. ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE -BILL - 4, 1 for The ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought in a ‘ f n. acilitating g t th G e en A tl d c i m ni a n n ist s r t a u t t i e o d n thato of Justice. ticel3.ll Th e ‘ 'aS p }i ID. and e e! Lords,s ly the an d sa menearly as rl y that received wiii h the had sa n c p t i ot passed odoff some the e Housem houseon, money but had been withdrawn on ace m clauses having been inadvertently inotroduced in the other House. The House then adjourned shortly after One oClock. On Thursday morning, Ryles, a Birkenlical and in girth 18inches. It weigh e d watchman, caught, a t Woodside Ferry, an eel, which meas ure d th e monster more than half en h our 1 , 1 9 1 : l b e . n g t R h ) 5 1„ f o fought bef.ire he could capture it, bad his hand severely bitten..... Liverpool Times. MORNING SUN C.E.N TR A L CRIMINAL Cii)17 ..... T. • T : l'o Sessions at (OY tIe I)ST O E I C d RO B DU a A t i f .) ey T. commenced yester d ay' efore the Bight Lon. the Lord Mayor, the lir e( ' ll l', Aldermen, Sheriffs, sz c. The calendar is ut iu.oss,m •.;..liyais.mall, containin g the ' names of on l y 177 persons Sc ). , 11 after ten o'clock the names of the Grand Jury said, e i d n , =called iha t over,having T «.A Learned RL^O DER delivered his charge. He :•ena'dd i t i l e ie h depositions in the cases con ilrendduatires at thought they might reasonably s h oe exiPn : ( 3 '. . 11; itn l h 'h at l e l et n he u ta' m number oflriershotnsi these e r trial Sess 117 asslevoonusliddebreabbluyt . ) e o f rt t heav interval era which hadrn'ght be account( d for by fl a ‘w n - d of h tle ll c .a a s se s s . I t lo r til any from h e rrn, that . iisic:icriaci.xypyi ffi lecnuelet difficulty. It rfioi: s t.tt io :i : lie present Sessions. v occurred between the last fte•enonnbeinetly occurred that in • tilV ( ftk : , ! s which were moss serious as regarded the them a ls .' ei to surmount eSOriii,:i.,' CA; evidence was generally the most simple There . .‘ in the calendar of a 'perctdia . r • charge a4.,,rainst several Persons. The .peen •,„ in application having been made was 4, CU e ‘ prosecutor to become a participator of !•itrglary la he assented, but at the same time liarit: consist.. a the police,-and accordingly through. e, a t servant, the police entered the to a servant of ti. in tl. , crime, to wh. givin.: information two p,.,,,s,'Esion ready to be conveyed the information of hou, . and took 0 ? 17 ,, , r 4 4cs into custody, and found a bask -; of plate in their away. It would be preinathLre in him to offer any ro ma; is upon the course which hiti ~`ecn pursued, as there wqri, cases of a similar description in' which the animatl vei ; jog of the Court had been found to act prejudiciaUy tow. rds the parties concerned. There wa also a case of J. anslaughter, under very peculiar circutrstance.t. A you of about the age of 15 or 16 years, with a: co myudi,,n, had incautiously used a cannon—a small cannon, stx.2h as those used by children, and standing upon w h ee ls. This youth having fired the cannon, 3.. portion of the contents—a portion of the loading—lodged. in tie breast nf a boy who was passing by the street at the tine. In c.,..escquence of this Mat:nation ensued and he died. It could :lot be supposed that the youth fired this cannon with a.'"W expectation of so serious to result, or with any imunedia:e apprehension. Stiil, strictly in law, if the death of 'a' party were caused by an accident 0' 1: this deecriptioik it accounted the party concerned as guilty of man slac;hter. There was sufficient want of caution dis play, d in the party firing off the canno.'t in one of the crop edl streets of the metropolis. Under these circum stances, whatever matter of extenuation might be brought forward thereafter, it' would be their duty t I return a bill. He thought it right to refer to this case, because a feeling might arise the minds Af Ow Jury that a child letting off a small cannon under such circnmst vices, could not be dJetned guilty of the crime of manslaugNter. All iiiev had to determine was, whether there w.O a. wan: of caution, and if so, then the law held that :t. Ivou '4l amount to manslaughter. With these general obsy-. - ations be should dismiss them to their duties. Mr. PAYNE applied to the Court for the discharge of the r•cognizance of the prosecutors against Wm. Gil linghritn. The Learned Counsel said that the case was post; oned from the last session in consequence of tho prisoner, while confined in Newgate, having swallowed a cpla;itity of pins, and he had since died in prison. The lb:co:1mm said it would be necessary that the fact stated by the Learned Counsel should be formally proved. r. Cope, the Governor of Newgate, was then sworn, and he proved that the party charged had died in gaol. The recognizances were then ordered to be discharged. . I >own Parslow, 32, and George Taylor, 45, were in dict. d for a misdemeanour, for fraudulently obtaining a qua•l•ity of rags from Messrs. Ratcliffe, of Southwark. The defendants retracted their plea of not guilty and plea' ea guilty, and they were ordered to enter into the i own reco,gnizances to appear and receive the judg ment of the Court when called upon so to do. Cooniber, 45, was indicted for fraudulently ob taining possession of two ponies, the property of Mrs.. Maddox, of Smith-Street, Chelsea. The prisoner was found guilty, and on Mr. Clarkson, the Counsel for the pro::-cution, stating that he had been capitally convicted in IS3O of horse-stealing, the Recorder sentenced him. to lot• transported for seven years. POLICE INTEIAAGENCE. MANSION-lIOUS.L. ErTGRATION.-Mr. Carter, of the firm of Carter and Bo1:1:s, ship-agents, of No. 11, Leadenhall-street, up peare lat the Justice-room, at the request of 'Alderman Pirie, in consequence of the complaints of .several poor per.ons about to emigrate to Australia, against a man narn d John Mußender, who bad represented himself as the rgent of that respectable house in pecuniary matters coin eeted with emigration. The case, which d resembles a great many instances of Imposition upon distressed mon and women who have expviied to imp.: we th e i r con di t i on by l eav i ng t hi s countr y, ex -etted no small degree of interest. Au Attorney, who appeared for the complainants, sta:',l, that without meaning to cast the slightest impu tation upon Messrs. Carter and Bonus, he considered hims•-lf justified in calling upon them to refund the money which their agen t, M r . Mullender, had received front his ( „bents, upon the promise, regularly attested by (him ineist,,, to send these poor men out to Australia. In each - of the cases the complainants had disposed of all their t!arthly goods iu order to pay up the difference be twei n the Government allowance and the broker's de ninuti. In one case the sum of U. was paid ;in mother the sum of 41. ; in a third the sum of 21.; and in a .eourth the 1,/,. r. Carter said that Mr. Mullender applied to the , hells , for employment in the way alluded to, but the ap plic.. lion was not listened to, for the firm perfectly well umler ;tood to what abuse an agency of the kind might be . o:tiected. They would, if the party guilty of pion dcrii.g the poor men were prosecuted, pay ld . towards the ..\renses of the prosecution. To Attorney said he had every reason to belie% e that lie c old prove the agency of Mr. Mullender to the house of .7,i essrs. Carter and Bonus, and that the Alderman would not hesitate to pronounce them responsible. Relfc, a carpenter, residing at No. 22. Peerless-- row, "lity-road, stated that about two months ago he rp2;i,..1 to Mr. John Mullender, of No. 24, Little Lrit::in, on the subject of emigration, that person being the nrarest emigration agent to his residence. There were hills pasted about the house announcing the fact, an .1 Mullender informed hint that the demand for the , :tssage of his wife and two children and him : elf ould Si., but agreed to reduce it to 51., stating at; the . fare time that as another woman was going out, one , or the children should be at down opposite to her name, and tat he (Mr. Mullender) was acting for Messrs. Care and Bonus, of Leadenhall-street, and there was no oe !asion for witness to go any further. Mr. Mullen der farther stated that he was under a bond to the anion it of 40C/. to the gentlemen he represented. The wit ti!!:s then produced a pasteboard with a bill contain-. in`; r:e particular information on which those who in tel.', 1 to emigrate were required to act, and which he said had been taken from Mr. Mullender 's offices. He also• noticed other documents, which left no doubt in his mind as to the agency. • M Carter declared that the pasteboard hal been stole:L from the outer office of the firm, where it was accui'mned to hang. Witness stated that upon the first interview he paid Mr. Mullender 11.. and at a subse quen time, when the certificates and papers supposed to be nueessary were delivered; he paid the additional sima of 41. to that gentleman, but never saw him afterwards. Th(*inas Norman, of No. 19, Peerless-row, City-read, fail:o in-law to the first witness, stated that in conse quo...v.! of information from his son-in-law, he called at Dies:....;. Carter and Bonus's offices on the Gth and 7th eF the present month, and saw a stout man, who appeared to be a principal clerk, with whom he communicated on the subject of the intended emigration. The clerk, upon bei;:g asked whether Mr. Mullender was known to them and employed by Messrs. Carter and Bonus, replied " yes ; he is employ e d to i nquire about the character and circumstances of those who apply for free emigra tion.' The clerk also, upon being informed of the name t o i f la t t he ;: e p n ar .a t s y t ( f ) o for 1 8., in the witn ess w as i n t eres t e d, oh servt,..l that th e papers of that p erson were rea dy, and agre mem had been madef w or hi s c / h ., w an it d ne t s h s e sa c i le d rl t c ha s t ai a d a, " Why, he has got two children.'! Alderman PutlE--Did the clerk say that your son-in law v.'as to call at the office ? Witness—lle said t n t my son-in-l aw oug h t to call, but he did not str i c tly rect t', at he should call. Iha Attorney for the complainants asked the man whether he was satisfied as to the a gency ° Mullender, after the evidence just detailed ? P Al lerman PIRIE—I do not think that you h er mischief! the : , :ency. It is evident that a great deal r by your has been done to poor people, but u'ire tiaout shot:big, has been employed merely to 9 1 :ho intended the characters and circumstances of thoses, in nay to emigrate. I shall give you every ould prove the Alder man power, and I should be very glad if S " e . a ble, and,. lam agency. !Or these gentlemen arc h su o i n . e , , o; ‘ , r - e , ll b - o d u is n p d o t s o ed pa t 3 o . pay, if they are, s submitted Th. Attorney for the comp lainants con jnction with the. either itt i e n d la th w at or th in e prounction of the printed PaV o er f s tle a p ' ene Y' evidence, was adequate proot d y c ould: I have no doubt, A:slerman Pima— 3 e,er t b eo ° o eu - nni t pci r o p c) a m_ r iyi t i s in7 o ,t f oa timhneacimnu inquire eo into matters have got thTse '6 papthing"r to you aiust awar one r ceive money, and allot matters of a different kind.l'bc Solicitor cO.neirp 1 av‘iuoatinldtsmsoaried completely h e h fi d evidence which, th e a gency of , ho said that he was a clerk out of F. D. Watson, is lent ma d e a tth- s i t o tt i t ig em ht e , nt as to having gone to thn his evidence made no addition to that erni:.:.ation ; but I • • .ly difclosed. (e)rtnli(P,Y(ifnMes'srs. Carter and Bonus on the business a hmraunieie, nldaebrouornert,hsetastuedb subject to of emigrating, too, igra t i h n a g d , tkolifuttena . received from that individual a certificate, f aaa ( nP a- lP3: 1 -11 , ; i t s ''h'ira s i v ctt i oe f l e ICA , er h e. is children, end himself ; after which he accoaipanied Mr. Mullender three or four times to the Oka of Messrs. Carter and Bonus. Mr. Mulleneer brought out the papers, pinned together, from the office, and gave them to the witness ; and did various otter: . things, which gave him all the appearance of being auti,”rited. A :.lerman PIRIE repeated that the attorney for th complainants had failed to prove the agency of Mullen der upon the part of Messrs. Carter and Bonus ; but quite enough was stated to prove that the poor people actual on the belief that that imposter was an a uthorised person. It was quite evident that the conduct of Mul lender was directed to the object of impressing upon them that they were to pay him, and that he would ac comt:, to Messrs. Ca r t er an d B onus. ?,:r. Carter said that h e f e l t t h e deepest regre t mi d in diveition at the serious injury done to the poor ap , p,i . ~,t s. M u ll en d er had called at the office, and stated that he had been acting for ether"shipbrokers engaged in ' emigration business, and had quarrelled with them, and ,~ ii , le )11) il 0 ea' ach r) of 1(1 nt f )0 4~ tl ) 1 a hB at' *I '.!it 1 0 10 !O Er so 5.5 to 10 4~ .y r$