The Sun. — London, England, 1841-03-05 00:00:00

..14101tNING EDITION* COURT CI RCULAR. ala his Rya!' Hi g hness Prince Albert i c ,o ir ck an airing .esterday morning in an open phte:on. Etvard Bawater at:ended on horseback. V'''(!cqint Mdbott - had au'lien yesterday of tie • ro,as Q ueen, The Duchess o! K•nat visit e d th e Qu?!est yesterday, end remained to lunch with her Majesty and Prince Albert, . TLe Roy a l di nner party at Buckingham P a l ace l ast tvning included the Countess of Errol, Lady Ida Hay, E 'Ll of Uxbridg,., Earl and Countess of Listowel, Earl of a°l l q, Viscount an d Vi scountess Palmerston, and .4 " Y Fanny Cowp e r. di The band o f the Scots Fusiliers attended during the nner. Painee Albert honoured Mr. A. Penley with a sitting lestertlay morning at Buckingham Palacr. Ilesby , 14 Highnes s th e D uc hess of Kent, attended k'idY Fanny Howard, dined with her Majesty the een Dun a ger yesterday at Marlborough House. The Duke of Canthridge vis ted the Queen Dowager Ytit, r d o. • W° o * -1 , Chairman o f the Excise, had an inter !'eat with the Chancell :r of the Exchequer yesterday In Dow Ling .street ir • WlsP, M.P., and the Ri g ht Rev. Mr. Wiseman, ad an it ter‘iew with Lord John Russell yesterelay at the Celonial-(.felts. Mews. Wilbraham, Stanley, and Tatton Egerton ad an i nterview with the Marquis of Normanby yes terday at the Home.nffiee. t Tile Ch a i rman of the Stamps and Taxes had an in yert •rday, with the Chancellor of the Ex .-iiequer, in Downing -street. Mr , C. Buller, M.P., and Mr. D'Eyneourt, M.P., '4l interviews yesterday with Lord John Russel!. Mr. Mu. tz had an interview yestarday with the Mar. (1 %, 11 of Normanby, a t th e Home-office. I tlpatth ee f rom British Guiana, and also from Ca dil444 were received yesterday, at the Colonial-office. SPURTING INTELLIGENCE. TATTERSALL'S—YESTERDAY. uNotatitatanci 1g the absence of tit veral subscribers at VP° Ol , the betting yesterday more spi,ited tha n 1 4 11 ,, °1145 3'. Coron4tio u maintained It's position as first a Wasbacked atl7, A t,4 14 and bt. ° * as out upon " The Knih.," but v.ithout int -1470 It's position. His - companion, Marshal Suult,r. - par r :, la Point tests. Some of the outsid.rs found _ e IQ; "P but not at pices worth cther notice than tL Ring list of quotations 4} to 1 a THE DERBY. agst Scutt's lot—taken 15 to 1 ag st Coron a ti o n—taken 22 to 1 agst Rosalie colt—taken to 1 agst E r i ngo 2 0 to 1 agst Came!e3n , 2 ) 0 to 1 agst Pa'aarnon 3 , t ° 1 hgat Prince Caradoc 4 0 to 1 agst K night of the Whistle—taken 25 t ° 1 apt Marshal Soult—taken in ,„46 to agst R a lph 00 to 30 rget Sir Hans 2 4 to 1 apt Ermengardis 10 'w to 40 agst The Nub—taken 20 ( 0 10 to 20 agat Darioletta cllt—taken 200 ° to 30 agst Gammon Box—taken ° to 30 asst Morning S.a , —taken 10 0 0 0 to 15 ags Knightsbri taken 21 Cl to 15 rgs Finctileytaken l e o ° to 25 agst Illustapha Muley—taltea oto 10 ags Mustapha—taken Ile LI VERPOOL STEEI'LE CHASE. lack Oreat Liv erpoo l S t ,. ep i c Cn a sr, se!..ich has been 41. , Oct of intere s t f or some time, took phce on Wee afternoor at Aintree Race-course. 5 kt , race was fur a Sweepstakes of 20 sever, igns each, ti_orort, kith 100 am:reigns addel, far horses of all de •Ch l 'uti 'nrs carryi ng 12 st . eac h ; t h e w i iner o f t h e th e e Steeple Cl ase in 1849 to carry 181bs. extra ; i s `'ad horse to save his stake; no rider to got through fnut e t . t "aYs or mote than 100 yards along any road or hwfor" any of th e h orses go i ng ov e r a n y of th e l ea p s Th e e the race t o l e di squalif i ed. Les ll, twitig started : Rode by ,e ' Mr. W , M`Danough Q e i S"pe r-four Mr. Nl' hitworth Lottery' ............................ fjci C„'4 ............... Captain Price 's,tr C aw hu !••• . Mr. Saneer3 ....... 0 • e4 ler ............ Mr. Parker • j r et l Wlst er Si 4l Th e P•e Mr. Walker 1,1 41 .Lotting on the Grand Stand, as far as could be •airb h i a beri, was 5 to 2 egst Lottery, 6 to 1 agst Peter 4 a g e t ' e • 7 to 2 agst Cigar, 9 to I agrt Seventy-four, 50 to I ttie ' ;l. °li rer Twist, 50 to 1 agst the Hawk, 20 to 1 agst A t ; t sr..2o to 1 ila Sella], and 10 to 1 agst Charity. t iesind 4 . l ,t'ag &Hal to, k the hal at a good pace Cigar ' e 441 st in a cluster, and tkey got well on till they that I ,: the first leap in a fall:wed field, leaning into a ,lean -!allow, the spot in which Lottery list e.r made . tlj„i n r"t 13 said, of 33 feet. Here Selim , still main tlie lead, g over firs t, followed by Cigar, 411151. 1"1 L ' e gacYs and Lottery, the Hawk and Pe ter ih e ; they maintaked nearly the same position M ier e i tame 10 the two leaps - near the canal bridge, the e i th e rad crosses the canal. Here . Selim was bti 1 first, rt, it er rsi ' up. In nearly this potation they arrived ar. g ground, where a rush took plaJ - ,. Lottery en -44 fire's Cigar second, tae rest following. Bel re le hurdle, Cigar had the lead, and was first it d o the othe a got 14e:1 over, 01 ver Twist bre . aki,l eta r : P i • The brook next presented itself, and it was tl i'd: b y Ciga- an d Oli ver T w i s t abreast, Lottery 0 0 0 i 411 d tl•e Others close behind, w i t h t h e excep t rn of o was some yarde in arrea-. He, however, tIP Hi 1 sit ground, and was again with the i,se .o n n o g lihorse. On entering the starting field, the th"'see ' b round, L o tt er y, Cigar, and another kept I lves, the others kept to the right. He e MI :4 stain came i fot follow el by Lot:ery and te . q.Seve nty-four, n Ha r ts n k, and Goblin along way be- I LL r i ttle Oliver fell, but his rider instantly remounted,. i t e .e i l 4 : 8 0, but no damage. After clearing the canal tie t "eY ran home, Loit, ry entering the course first, C"I ti e Wa' evident tha• he could not hold it, on account ektra v 'tjAht. Th e race was we l t con t 2s t e d up the e, .tipi e f ; Charity got ev2r the dit.:ll first, and won by a G of m lenet is. Cigar being second, o.iver Twist % i Ch • r u in f.urth, and Lottery amongst the groan. ll :t y ihae the p ro! erty r , f Mr. Elmore, who declare d to h:" e r tai h Hai or Lottery. That gent'eman has httito asset inner of the Liverpool Steeple Chase three 5 t o 2 ~.. 'SETTING ON TUESDAY NIGHT. 44, 1 agst Lottery to --- Cigar 10 to 1 agst T P h et e er D S u i k m e ple 100 to 6 Is to l i ---• Seventy- Four 25 to 1 Legacy 8, a --- Oliver •Twist eile;-"" the -above the fullowii 1 . 1 10 2 Ueblin St. C %ti t 'ele Rill , Lawrence, uteri for '; ii he e N th i e l same as last N'ir4 l ,,, %o l Vat e jlll-00 COURSING MEETING.—TUESDAY. 4 ..41 r IT CU P —Mr J Bake's Lottery beat Mr. W G ood d ' - s 1 ' -e'WiS • F- A arl . f . El'nton's Fingal beat Mr. oo 1 1 i 4 44 t g e :41'1 Ilal:inihY' "NAll° Kershaw i nd. sadler beat Mr. WV. 't . erm e , r (" 3, Mr ' N% in. a e, - 1 beat Mr. . r. 4 8 I%7ate 15 ' ' r.r.9arven i 's th G r a ' m s m :l n aide b n eat Qu L e G e ß r n d ea b E d e e g a ; a s t r4 tell er 45 Carmeli!e Mr. Slater 's s y Der, Nir , , Air. iley's Princess Royal beat Mr. R. Gale's Q G au r i a l3 s , - , tp43110; Robins's 11 castle Bet beat Mr Swan's . _ _ r erk' 1,4 " ef D u' 1. e ' w s Critic beat Lord Talbot's Te:te, 1 . I :f la r te s r e ke l` te o p r r t i 474.14,:,,S 1145151.11°b 4 as L clStradbroke nd. Whirlpool, A _r. ,5 4"eresbur ei e . 3 Lad,. , Y e ; t eat or Mr. Williamson's nd. Halkin, Mr. Mr. Eden's Gipsey, Mr. A. Graham's Mr. Birch's Britannia h c ' te lli p. Ilts,eild Nnr..Blundelr. b obinson's__Cosb Busy, ' Coal Mr. E. G. Hornby s 1' eastlea • eat Mr. P. Houghton's Tyrant, Mr. East -111':Irst T ; et ebe .t Dr. Brown's tt histler. LNe 1 IP -- Fingal beat Lottery, Sadler beat Gammon. l i y e t :r tt t e, . I r S t i lt ,, uT e t: 1 t'ubet:rt ur s e 1 i tt f;'-.."eer ' bear ply, Prin cess beat Bewcastle Bet, Bustard . _ , eo b m ea s t b c ur a y sti b e e a a c t re L . ai), Cacciatore beat Britannia, Mr. Unsworth's Unknown beat Lord 0 ‘i,g l .l4' s p art irtts, Mr. Kesrsley's Fly beat the Marquis of 1 0 Ye e e j sd r. cl yke ;selteto,o,:lo y A n i ee r si . : 1 l l e l a r d e ' E s Ruby G . beat il or n A h l ) r , . , s A. Harem Graham's hebeat 0 4 4 A 't. den's Eeh A'ir b : c . a B t7 . l t r i . 's Ra isay's Racer, Mr. \ S v i . rius u beat Dr. Brown's -71 Strlikl'brEokch_?s(4-te ' B o loomsb - ury)beat Alr. King's Mat, e Minerva beat Mr. Perkins's Burford. C_ ___.......„___ ing are expected to run :—Re :hazily, Hawk, Selim, and Rust. It year, but a brook will be sub- ~ _ __ __ • - • r -‘4IRT OF ALDERMEN. H tern --Ul N°us HOUSES IN FLEET-STREET.—YCS -131 1 4 1I Y 4 . 1 Court of Aldermen was spccfaly held in the °IS- 1 1 1 fY, to receive a presentment from the Inquest feeo'„-,d's, in the ward of Farringdon-without, in re- . '0 the stilt ; of the ruinous houses in Fa et-street. Stn.,: Fore of ti e Inquest, in delivering the pre. Is 41. t. acknowled • d their obligations to the Lord 41 ' 1 1) 1 1 1 - I°T the ye • ge t manner in which his Lord hi',ulti et_ plied 1:3, prompt . . s • slime with their wishes in summoning the . s the back t vall i 1 f 4l th (the Vestry Clerk) said, that . i , 11 6 titel,,t;st,nochng after the late disastrous accident were, ' , St e - rbon of competent judges, in a very precarious . titli ' and dratl Ito hat unless pioperly secured they might th e ' I - '' l Isit'i them the adjoining houses. _ Since alit i iut 14 oterv:evg at the Mansion-house, the lit Gi f4l h e o eded in - finding the freeholder of one of the :i r lie a 14 ', the hack wall of which occasioned the tip 111 tol,"(1 d neger. and his surveyor was present and wil iti i -.(l.°Percite with the owner of the adjlining house in i, 4sl :a a ' l l th e Pibper , • from further accident. Had they 'ita, t'iat difore, it' I wasprobable that the Inquest might 4 ,,, 414 1 5 e 4 ,, r n ed ,the Court oi Aldermen the trouble of or 11- 6 1 but as they were not he trusted that an te Fall E uld be issued for the immediate removal of c trl t 1 „with')ut waiting for the dilatory process pointed tt eeei s • "to buildio# act. It was probable that the ttii 2}l 'tY of resertinm t such a sumira-y proceeding 14 . ' tbe °by.. d 0 ,3 • co-operation of Mr. •Stki,,. *it by the petite i• Ist. I T, the respectable surveyor of the freeholder. 1-4.,1:1-telultw assurred the Court th.it he had us e tsi e t - instructions to cause immediate measures to IN h e n ti) Save the property .from further a id tillitilityl.eb sho uld carry these measures into effect without :rhe C SOLICITOR said that the presentment of II iildilueit, conformity witli the provisions of th e the r uinous huad i nB act, had described th; stats of v itl i i:g' in proper t •chnical terms to bring t.. ern 70 1 1 tt'° jurisdiit'on of the Aide. men under the tit, -,,Letion T." i • ofthe Aldtruien on - u ltt ' --, authority kg • .818.4t3 wits strictly defined, and it was . eoinpetent for them to act in the sum miry manner suggested by Mr. Sailth. The Act required the Aldermen, upon the receipt of the pre sentment, to cause a proper and sufficient board to be put up for the safety Of the ras,e73 by, aed to eau notice to be given to the owners of the Luildings, if known, and if not known, to be affixed to the premises, and in case the ruinous houses were not taken down or repaired within fourteen days, it would he the duty of the Aldermen to remove then at the expense of the City, looking to the sale of the materials or to the ar rears, when discovered, for. repayment. If the Court of Aldermen were to act in any other way than strictly in confOrmity with that prescribed by the Act, they would subject themselves to actions at the instance of the owners of the ruinous premises and of the adjoining property. By the ancient custom of the City of London, there was no doubt that the Lord Mayor, in cases of sudden emergency, attended with imminent and immediate danger to life and limb, might interpose his authority to wall in the dangerous buildings, and t 3 abate the nuisance. That power, since the passing of the Buildings Act, had be m rarely put in execu tion, and could only be recommended in ca es when, from the urgency of the occasior, the public security would not admit of fie relay rcqui-hte to call in aid the powers of the Building Act. In such cases there could be no doubt that the Lord Mayor would be ad vised to exercise his authority, bu , in the present in stance, such an interference could not be supported. With this exception, in the meantime the back wall of the fallen houses which had been presented must be remoied by the order of the Court. Mr. Sm*th, and the gentlemen of the Inquest gene rally, acquiesced in the opinion given by the City Soicitor, ar.d after a conversaion between Mr. Wood, of the Dispatch, and Sir Peter Laurie, the Court broke up. DREADFUL OCCURRENCE IN ST. BRIDE'S CHURCHYARD. Yesterday the grave-dfiger, Scott, his assistrnt David Thompson, aged 29, and a boy, were engaged in digging a grave in St. Bride's churchyard, which was to be twenty feet deep, opposite the door of the Bell pub lic- house. Thompson was below digging and fining the baskets of ta-th, which were hoisted up by Scott and the lad by means of poles and a pulq. At t.velve o'clock Thompson had got down seventeen feet, and said he thought he could go five feet further. He continued at work till a quarter to three, when the earth on each side gave way, and the grave was almost instantly closed up. Scott and the boy gave an alirrn, and very spteJily Inspector Foresby and a large body of the City Police were on the spot, and without a moment's loss of time five or six men were set to work in clearing out the grave, but as it wai known the gravedigger was at 1• act eighteen feet below, no hopes were entertained that his life coull be saved, as the earth is heavy and loomy, and likely to cause in staLt suffocation. The work of the men proceeded with great rapidity, but it was b df-past five before they came to Toompsoll's head. He was found standing uprigl t, but quite dead, having been buried nearly three hours. It was now found that the coffins from the neighbouring grave bad fallen upon his body, and amidst which he was so completely jammed that it was found necessary to remove them before the body could be got out. Mr. Fare, the Churchwarden, who super intended the operations, directed what was to be done, but it was a work of great difficulty, and night had now come on. Torches and candles were supplied to those who were emplo)e I in the 1 Lborious and even dangerous work, several of whom belonged to the City Police, and ulti mately five coffins were removed. The position of the body was thus more accurately discovered, and the hands were found to be raised to the head, and partly covering the face, as if the dying man had sought to prcvect by such feeble aid, the pressure of the im mense weight upon him. Still the body was so firmly locked in the earth that all attempts to remove it from the grave while life was in it, wore for hours of no avad. It was necessary that great caution should be used, that every foct of earth taken away srioull be sup plied with strong shoring, or otherwise the lives of other five or six men would be sacrificed in addition to that of Thompson. At nine o'clock fresh difficulty occurred by the fall of earth upon the body consequent upon the removal of the coffins, but within a quarter of an hour afterwards this was so far loosened that tl,e corpse was raised by ropes, and immediately taken to the church and placed in a shell. The face was much blackened, the chest was deeply indeated, and the left leg was broken. There is no doubt the calimity arose through negligence in not properly shoring up the grave as the work proceeded. The deceased lived in Gun powder-alley, Shoe-lane, and was well known. The last (ale of a similar character occurred about 40 years ago, when the sexton of Clerkenwell Church was in the same way buried. CURRENCY IN MALTA (From the Times.) Some accounts have been printed and circulated privately of the state of the currency in Malta, which are well worthy of general attention. Every one will be prepared to expect from the previous history, and from the peculiar position of that island, an exceedingly mixed and partially debased currency, but, neverthel ss, in a course of gradual reform, since it has become a possession of Great Brita're Of this, however, no symptoms whatever are appa rent ; on the contrary, a state of confusion exists, which must render the carrying on of the trade of the place unusually difficult and uncertain. A brief description can hardly fail, one would imagine, to bring on promptly both the consideration and the application of the proper remedy. At present, it seems, there are five kinds of money, which are legal tenders in Malta, viz., M ita money, the Spa nish pillar dollar, the South American dollar, Bri tisk silver and gold, and British copper, including the grain, or twelfth pelt of a penny. The general introduction of British metallic currency was prepare] by a proclamation of June, 1825, in which it is enacted that certain enumerated coins shall pass current, and the intention to introduce the British metallic currency generally is speci fically stated. By a proclamation in the following year it was ordered that all Government accounts should be kept in sterling, but, nevertheless, although this method was of course adopted in the Govern ment offices, the merchants and shopkeepers have continued to keep their accounts in the money of the order of St. John, the unwillingness to change being attributed to the frequent changes and uncer tainty of the currency, the multiplicity of coins 'ad mitted as legal tenders, and the depreciated nature of the British silver currency. It is worthy of re mark, that when British silver was put into circula tion in the island, the pound troy was, by the authority of the Act 56th George 111., cap. 68, coined into 66 shillings instead of 62 ; but while the same Act established that such depreciated silver should not be a legal tender in England to an amount exceed ing 405., in Malta it has been ma le so to any amount, diiplacing the more valuable local currencies, and causing a loss to the inhabitants of 6 per cent., since prior to the introduction of the present British coins the currency passed at rates at 625. per pound troy. The Spanish pillar dollar becoming scarce in 1834, the British Government caused proclamations to be issued at. Malta, Gibraltar, the lonian Islands, and other places, enacting that the South American dollar should be a leg vl tender at the rate of 4s. 4d.-0 coin irregular in weight, and by no means regular in alloy. Indeed, the dollars of the Guadalaxara mint were found to contain so exc ssiva a portion of alloy. that in 1836 it was found ne.es,ary to cell them in. The effect of this introduc tea was -not only the banishing of the mote valuable currency, so that Spanish, Sicilian, and Imperial dollars are at a premium, but even British silver does not cir culate freely, since the Commissary engages to give a 1001. Treasury bill for every 101/. 10s., and therefore whenever the continental exchanges are at a rate which enables a banker to import dollars, and exchange them for British silver at a profit on the Commissary's rate, a premium is borne by the British silver. Besides the obvious evils of an irregular currency, in causing the heavier coins to be melted down, there is a further one occasioned by the present system—namely, a practice in France and Italy of sifting the dollars received from South America, so that the light ones • alone may be sent to Malta and other places where they are a cur rency. Another disadvantage of these South American dollars is, that in Turkey, Greece, Egypt, Barbary, Al t eria, Fez, and Morocco, they are rejected, while they will not pass as currency in Sicily, Naples, the north of Spin and Italy, or at any rate arc only taken at a dif ference of 5 or 6 per cent. under the value of the Spa nish dollar. So great is the preponderance of this vi cious coinage th:t a six months' return from the Trea sury, tne Anglo-Maltese Bank, and the Malta Bank, shows that the proportion of South American dollars is above 89 per cent , while that of English is under 5, 'sad that of all other coinage put together is under 6 per cent. A plan proposed for the reformation of a currency obviously bad is the repeal of all the proclamations al ready existing, and an enactment that British copper shad only be a legal tender to the value of 12d., and shillings and sixpences to the value of 405., and that for larger amounts the only legal tender shall be a 4s. piece, a coin which it is proposed shall be created, and which the Treasury are to give in exchange for all the present coinage, to be received at their present value. The effect of such a measure would, it is said, be the abolition of the South American coinage, but not of tine Spanish pillar dollar, sovereigns, or doubloons, which would offer no inducement for parties to present them at the Treasury. The Maltese seem to think, that in justice the British Government ought to bear the loss occasioned by the conversion, since that has caused the vicious system which demands the change ; but at the same time the author of the plan stated above seams to think that it would be better for the island to submit to the loss than to suffer such a system to con. tinue. With respect to the plan thus offered, and which proceeds from a resident in the island, it is not the olject ol this notice to advocate or condemn it, but there seems, at any rate, no doubt that a thorough re form of some kind or other is required. TEM MN, LONDON, FRIDAY, IARCH 5, tut, liiiPERIAL P.Alt TAMEN T HOUSE OF LORDS, MaltcH 4. TL: Earl of SitAFTEsisuaY took his seat on the Wut iack vt Five o'Ciock. T. e Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition frc,n. Croydon, against the Vaccination Bill. Also a p?t;f on from the Guardians of the Poor of the New bur!. Union, complainipg of being cumpeiled to pay to the faxes of the town of Newbury. 01 the motion of Lord. DUNCANNON the laughing of Cattle Bill was read a third timeand pass:d. The Eail of M INTO presented two petitions from places in the county of Roxburgh, praying for the total abolition of Lay Patronage in Scotland. The Noble Earl stited that he - need hardly inform their Lordships that he did not concur in the views of the petitioners. The Marquis of NORMANBY presented a pe tition from the surg,ons and apothecaries of Liskeard, in favour of Melica' Reform. T:c Marqu:s of NORMANBY presented a peti tion from the PriYsbytery of Nairn, p:ay►ng for the abolilion of Chwch patronage. Toe Dukc of RICHMOND presented a pet:t'on from the inhAitahti of Dumblane, in tie county of Aberdeen, stating that they petitioned the House last year to redreis V:eir gri:vanc_s ; that nothing had been done to remov.: 414 e cause of complaint ; and praying the House to repeal the Act which established Church patronage in Scoll _ _ The Earl of RIPON moved for roams of the in come and expenditure of South Austraia, including tLe source from which the income was derived, whether from the sale of lands in the colony or intcroal taxa tion, and the geleral exce.rses of the Government, from the time when the Act was passed establishing the colony. Toe Err! of GLENGALL gave notice tact to-mor row he would move for the production of the corres pondence which had passed brtween the Governaiorit and the Poor-las Guardians of Ireland. ST. SULPICE. The B of EXETER said, that, in pre,enthag the petition, of which he had given notice to their Lordships, it might he convenient, considering the pe culiar nature of the case, if he entered a little at large into the merits of the case, as it appeai upon the petition ; and as he ventured to tuitsk it could be prove I. Its reason for thit.king that would be the most convenient and frdrest course a nd that as to-night he sloul I only [et tion do like on the table, this would be an opportunity to tt.elr Lordships for considering, if anything te could say should he worthy of consideration, the whole case, before any 'notion i‘ as made for ul terior proceedings by that House. The petition which he was charged with, was one of no ordinary importance ; it was one, too, of rather a singular cha racter. The pi t tioners addressed tlieh. Lordships with a prayer that they would interpose their advice with the Crown against giving sanction to an ordinalee which had been pa, s-.2d by the Governor-General of Canada, with the advice of a Special Council is that province. This was, he believed, toe first occasion on which such a petition had been piesented to their Lordships; but, singular as the incident was, .he thouebt the occasion would justify that singularity, for most undoubtedly it appeared the occasion was far more singular than the incident. Her Majesty's Minis ters had laid upon their Lordships' table, and he was obliged to them for it, sonic despatches within these few days to aid their Lordships in their deliberations upon the petition. Her Majesty's Ministers had given to them a copy of the despatch of the Governor-General, dated the 2. - ith of January, in the present year, in which he enclosed a list of persons who had enfran chised their property under the ordinance passed by him and the Special Council last June, and made this remark :—" I am happy to say all excitement on the subject has now subsided, and I can conceive no possibility of its being renewed except it were supposed there was a probability of the ordinance being inter fered with in England. How little such an in terference would accord with the wishes of those who last year petitioned the . Crowe, you will easily understand by perusing the enclosed There was then given a list of tic Proprietors who had enfranchised their property under the ordi nance, and among those who had enfranchised the largest quantity, were some of' the petitioners. So' far was he, (the Bishop of Exeter) front thinking that that indicated any disposition on the part of' those persons to assent to the measure, that Le saw in it only a proof of their great moderation. They did not appi each their Lordships with any earnest Lope that they would induce them so to interfe:e, as to prevent the passing of any ordinance for the purpose of putting an end to feudal tenures from any pecuniary motive. They hoped their Lord ships woold interpose and prevent far greater evils t :an the mere pecuniary burdens wh ch would be imposed upon them by that measure ; and it woul i be his duty presently to state what 'hese far greater evils were in the opinion of the petitioners, and, he must frankly own, in his own opinion. Appended to the despatch of the 20. h J inuary, 1841, vas one of the 28ta Ja nury, 1840 —a long and rataer el *borate despatch. That ds spatch b..ing laid upon the table, he thought he would not be transgressing the rules of propriety, if he e .t !red into s sine st ttements a little at variance with those contained in it. The tone in which tie Governcr- Gencrai of C o a !a had spoken of the petitioners anc. the petition called upon him (the Bishop of Exeter) to justify their character in their Lordships' estim tion. Before the deputation of rettioners left this country last year, they put into his ha ids certain statements which he would not have presumed to lay before their Lordships had it not been for the statements containe i in the des• patch. Tie despatch " Accordingly I sent down to the Special Council the draft of the Ordinance, and after the fullest consideration it was F ared." Now the fullest discussion implied a great deal, but it did not imply the fullest information. So far from that Le night be permitted t) saya•upon the au thority of the Committee of the Petitioners, that when the Special Council were cal'ed upon to consider the ordinance, they la quested to be supplied with infcrina tion—they called for an account of all that had passed between the seminary of S. Sulpice, the body wi o were certainly most interested in the 'Tie tier, and the Government—and also they called for informal. n upon the law of the case. They Lad not the advantage which their Lordships enjoyed, of having tl e opinion of the Judges when they required it ; therefore they very naturally wanted to be furnished with the opinions on the subject which the Government had obtained during the last forty or fifty years from the various Crown Lawyers. They also wanted to have information as to the value of the property which was thus to be given away to the seminary. Be. for rea sons, the grounds for which he coal I not discover, ail information was perempsorly refused. Therefore, their Lordships would see that the fullest consideraf on did not imply V.e fullest information. He might also be permitte I to say, that, in one other respect, the dis cussion in the Special Council was distinguished by One very remarkable circumstance—one that was without precedent, and unheard of before. The Governor- General ti.en, for the first time, himself presided in the Council during the whole of their discussion in their legislat've capacity.—( Hear.) That was new and unheard of ; and to prove it he would quo e an authority which would be respected in that House, am! woman be considered of some weight—he wot Id quote the authority of the Governor-General hirnsrP; T 1 e Go‘e -nor-G,ierdl had stated for the inform -.Lion of the Colonial Secretary, that he had appointed the Chief Just cc to preside over the deliberations f the Connell. Anti in the correspondence which 1-e wculd quote to their Lordships, this important sen tence was added,— " lexpect great advantage will result from the presence of Vie Chief Justice sit t e Council, and from his presiding over its ileac, a willch I find are not carried on in ti presence of the Governor-General." He, One Bishop of Exeter) was happy to say that that opinion was common to al the Members of the Council, and he was sure their Lordships would think with him when they should take into account the rema:kable docu ment on the tenure of offices in the colonies. That document show el that the Government kept a strict eye over their officers in their capacities execu tive and legislative. • Ttivir Lordships woul I see how individuals voted and spoke and demeaned them selves in the dissens ons of that Council. In the rema-k -all -dispatch to which he (the Bishop of Exet .:r) had alluded to, the noble writer of it stated that he had every reason to believe, notwithstanding the clamour raised by a few individuals in that city, and the violence of the press, the mea sure had been approved of by the moderate Men of all pasties. He (the Bishop of Exeter) was ex ceedingly sorry to hear that the moderate men of. tint British residents were so few, for by the signatures which lie would show to the House their Lordships would see what a fraction of the British residents could be numbered among the moderate men. That petition, which had the signatures to which he referred, was drawn up after the ordinances which had appeared in the Gazette Extraor dinary of the Colonies, and which was expected to be tilt one proposed by the Governor in the Council hut June. That ordinance differed in some not unimpor tant points. Immediately on this ordinance passing, repicsentatia es w ere deputed to England, for the pur pose of pressing forward petitions against the ordinant c. But that was not all. Immediat.ly after the address had passed, a-meeting took plate, and most certainly to c phrase used by the Governor-General might be app: o priate, for that assembly, indignant at the measure that had been passed, entered into a strong declaration agaiest it. Still, whatever might be the terms employed on thta occasion, considering the rights of property involved in the question, and considering also the far more grace and important question of' the rights of ti:eir religion, it could not be a matter of sur prise that even individual men should be roused into the expression of somewhat strong terms. He would now state to the House who were the petit sinners who had lees so characterised by the Gover nor- Genriil. The pet tou eves couched in calm and mo derate language, and it was signed by about 2,000 of the persons who were described as the British Protester t Maeistratee, clergy, landed preprietors, and mach:ens of Montreal, and be won'd add that the petiteen ii been sens off, eiteeto '-iii `g suflieient. time to ail 1 who wrre r.O diSpl.),3Nl t o :d a ;:l it iN‘.iw 2,000 of the B - eish Proo s"ares populas i on e l th e ( a iry of Moetreel S';C:+2 a very considerable p ro p or ti on of toe British Pre , tea adult pepula'ior. In the City of Montreel thee: e ere a'meet 13,000 British iebithitants. Ofthese aboet 0,000 were Rotnau Catholiee, and there reemaibe.l,timere fermi, not more than 12,000. Now, supposing cne h.l of these wete matte, than would give 6,000. He mecul I venture t, say that they had striely adhered t) the resolution of not 'admitting the signstores of el el deer, but only of the adu't male populetion. Wheel lie said the Fetition was signed 2,000, he might sal. ly infer that it was signed by two thirds of that adtet population. But that was not all—those de scribed by th e G overnor " as riot belonging - to the moderate me n o f any party " —t h e se men so h e ld up t, time indignatio n o f t h e H ouse, were, a portion of fle us, men eta. Ceti to th e respect o f t h at H ouse , M ag i s t e ocs of thee city—the re were - a l so c l ergy, b ut t h ese were not alwa-, s considered entitled to the resfect of the House, told were not perhaps to he accounted moderhe tnsr, and therefore he would omit the clergy.—( A 1 :ugh.) Bet the e were Magistrates, twenty-four Magis trates in the City of Montreal, and of• these, how . many had sig ne d t h e pet i t i on ? Ei g ht ee n. Of time r a e, in t wo i were members of the Sp chid Couecil, eisc‘i,r h e t m six, two were a b sent i n England on and as such, though avowedly favcurable to the pe tition, declined subscribing i.. There rernairme I one, or at most twe, ;whose names were withheld :rod as he (the Bishopj of Exeter) was told, net rrom any disimiel rati o J l to it, but for [-ease s which they did not give, or, as he had reit son to beiteve, were perfectly distinct from any thing like opposition. But supposing this was not tie case, a majority of 18 ''.had crone forward to expiess to their Lordships their earnest prayer to inter pese and save teem from the great eimfttnities which they apprehended must oSiSue, net of Iv to themselves, het to the. peace andsaf4jieesf the ccfmny if this nice ' surd wes not re:htedeitiftrpleasress. IC however, taci t ter the 2 000 wherfa I signei o ale.e. peei:ion e snor the 18 Megistretes, nor the el rgy, deserved attention, there was one individul whose name was a t :cited to it, wit. m I c (• he Bishop of Ex ter) was sure the N Ale Viscauet (Lore! Melbourne) would say deserved it, and who a ic was qeite sure, - would be recommended as such by the Guyer : or-General bias If. That 'gentleman was no less than Mr. D my the Seleitor-G,moal of toe provinces. He was not Solicitor-Generil at the time be simmer the. petition, but became so before the passing ot time ordinence. Tout he was made Solicitor-Genera: was plea that he was a moderate man, and therefore one moderate man at least had signed the petifion. Bet what was the conduct of the Magistrates in the Special Council ? But two of them voted aedust the measure. Bat though the despatch :aid this, it did not say that two others who had declared themsele es against it, for reasons which, no doubt, satisfied their own consciences, had stayed away and did not vote for it. One was Mr. Day, who as he (the Bishop of Exeter) was informed, opposed it in Committee, but on the question that it should be engrossed (a 5t3,11 equivalent to the third reading with us) Mr. Day was not preseut, and did not. vote. Teem was another Member of the Special Coun , eel, Mr. Black, who opposed the ordinances, and he (the Bishop of Exeter) was assured on the credit of men of honour and veracity that it was per fectly notorious in Alontreal that Mr. Black, having intim. a'ed his opposition to the ordinences, was sent for by the Governor, and nothing more was heard of his oppoetion.—( Hear, hear.) He (the Reverend Prelate) would not say, " Quia post hoc, ergo proper hoc." But Mr. Black did not afterwards appear at the Counc 1 during the -discussion of the question. He would not trouble their Lordships further as to the character of the peftioners. He would now go to their prayer. They said they had petitioned her Majesty not to conseat to the incorporation of t i c Rel:gious Society of Montreal, and t` ey prayed her to relieve the inhabitants of that city and province from the degrading vassalage to which "they were subjected. Toey were willing that the rev.snues of the Island of Montreal should he appropriated to public pur posi2F. They did not pray to be relieved horn the burthen, but from the degrading conditions upon which it was imposed. The petitioners now pre) ed their Lordships to :Wort such a.eas.ures, either by address to her Majesty or otherwise, in relation to the affair, as might tend t, pe evert the consummation of tee obnoxious ordinances. He would now explain to their Lordships the way in which the petitioners were treated in the depateh of the Governor. It was said they were parties, and not only parties bu assenting patties, to the bargain. Mr. Charles Buller's Report teas to be found in Apeeadix E to Lord Dar- hanm's Repo:t, pages Iss to 188 ; and he was per suaded that if their Lordships were to look at what Mr. Iluller. said, they would find that his opinion on the set ject would net warraet the opinion of the Gevernor- Getteral. Mr. Charles Boller was entrusted with the duty of considering the question, with a sieve to the s•ttleeteat of the disputed points. Lord Durham de . sired :he Superiors of the Seeiinary .to attend on Mr. Buller, and he also se'ectcd, of his own choice, three individuals, whom he no doubt considered fit for the ta•k. It appeared, however, that these parties Re e chosen without the concurrence, and even without the k no wledge of those most interested in the matter. M. Bailer made, as might be expected, a veryable Re pelt ; but it appeared that time Governor had not at fir t beet able to obtain the consent of the bra 13 of the Seminary to the ordinance, %bile it was 'existed by the British party. A deputation soon waited on Lord Detham, entreating him not to carry the ordinance in to (feet, but he intimated his displeasure at that inter view. He th e (Bi s h op o f E xeter ) sa id t h at , w i t h out wishing to say an y t hi ng disagreeable to the surviving friends of the Nobl e E arl. Tea Noble E id was suc ceeded by a Noble Lord who lie wished was now in it at House, in order that he might give them the benstit of his statemeets. Lord Sydenham seeing the mat er nearly concluded, proeseeded with the ordinance ; this also get wind, and, just before the isulliestion o the ordinance, a deputation waited on Lord Sydenham, :ta.ieg that they had not acceded to the ordinance, at which Lord Sydenham expressed his great surprise. 'These parties from first to last had declared thetnsel e. against this crdinance, for the high and grave reasons he had alrc aely st tied. lie had now stated the history ot the ordinance, up to the tune when L wd Sydenham it emit out tl Canada, and he would now say sernethine of the Seminary of St. Suipiee. He rejoiced in the firs' place to say that the parties who had subscribed to the petition, had done that which entitled them to b considered as acting most moderately. They had not said one syllable that reflected upon any of the members of that body. They deplored its, existance, constituted as it was at present, but they had made no statement flat reflected upon it. It was with great satisfaction that lie took that opportunity of stating that from all he had heard and le tel of the geetlemen who had signed the petition, he believed they were ertitled to the utmost praise for their perseveraece and zest! io doing that which they considered to be their duty. Perhaps be might say that the most important part of the commu nications that had taken place in respeel to this scud- Lary was that which occurred when the Comrnissior era on the grievaeces of Canada went overt) that country in 1806. A Noble Ea-I not now in his place, a gallant oflic is, and a lite Judge in India, opposed that Commis sion, and those three Commissioners, while they nega tived it: the strong s t -rms the legal clalms of this semi nary ti its possessions, urged their equitable claims. Two of the Commissioners were leas strong in speakirg of the claims of this seminary Icing without foundation, but Sir Charles Grey instated net to say that the 1 gal claims were totally Without foundation.—( Hear.) But Sir Charles Grey aillcuoteledged their equitable right;; and if these noble, learned, and gallant person :toe. had been content with merely stating their opi nions, those opinions would have been entitled to great weight. Tie strongest reason given, not for the legal, but for the equital le claim of these parties was the 04th article of the capitulation of Montreal, in which it was sa d diet the s eminaries shoed I retain their pro party and possessions. Sir Charles Grey di.. not enter s quitehle right of these pa tea. tails that for a single moment ; I e considered it entirely out of the question. Upon what did it rest ? It was a l a lost fle r u t c h t e i ns to the said that for a period of seventy years namely, from t w h l e lich were g vernthe strongest seemed the conquest of the colony, tl e Government had all passing of along of ,n r t e h c e o r ; e t a ti s s o e n d , provinces, especially the Quebec Act in 1774. In th e 83d clause of that Act, o : est upon u clause which it was the 14th of Geo. 111., it was provided that tihnostecglltive% ell his Majesty's Canadian subjecte, except religious or ders and communities, should freely hold their posses sions and prof erty. This seemed like an a b solute ex elusion of the claims of true seminaries ; and if it had rested there, he ventured to say that they would never have heard of this quiet acquiescence, for 70 years, on the part of the Governors. But, in order to explain that favourably to the seminaries, the Commissioners cited a Fart of the instructions which were immediately afterwards given to the Governors. Those instructions were as fellows :—" That the society of Romish priests, called the Seminaries of Quebec and Montreal, should continue to possess and OCCUPY their houses or resi dences, and all other houses and lands to which they were lawfullv entitled on the I itia of September, 1759." The Commissioners, in their Report, did not give the precise words. They preferred to put it into different lenguage, instead of hiving re course to the mere dry racial document.—( Hear.) He would read to their Lordships the statement of the Commissioners. No instructions were given to the Governor of Canada on time 3d of Janua-y, .1779, in consequence of th e raising of the Quebec Act in the preceding year, by the 11th section of which it was dimected that the seminaries of Quebec and Montreal should re mai% in possession of all the houses and lands o f which they were in possession on ,the 13th of Sep. ternher, 1759. These instructions absolutely negaf o ,..d tee conclusion to which the Commissioners came. The Commissioners stated that they were to remain in possession of all the houses and lands of which they . . were before in posession. He must take_ a lee to say the instructions said no such thing. They sail the.e , e to continue to possees ccoupy—a e y important word, becatre it seerned idt,y WC: C to continue in possession of oaly those t hiags cf which they were in occupation— thet they should continue to oussess and occupy their h eouses of resideeee towhich they:vete lewfully entitle I on the I:3th of Septetriber, 1759. Unless, therefore, on the 13 h of September 1759, those seminaries were lie fell,' entitled to tire possession of the property which they now claimed, these instruct ons the Commissioners apr eded to as conclusive in their favour, were conclu sive against them. The Commissioners themselves ad mitted they were not lawfully etit'tleil, that their legal Car was a mere joke and farce. But what was the peopeety they were then considering? Was it houses and lends ? No, se i gnor i a l r i ghts and deer. If he might he permitted to c iii the attention of t' e Noble and Leerned Lord opposite to this, chid ha wished there were more NoLl r and Lea reed Len].) pre s :it) he would beg of bins t ) consider whether the phrase " muses and lands," which tho_e parties were to continue to possess a id occupy, cool I cover the claims of those se.ignorial rights and dues? Unless they did, these words would exclude instead of being •them within the coot implation of the statute. But the else, strong as it was, did not rest there. Unless they were in possession, they were net to be permitted to hell them. He woell net de tein their Lordships by going at large into the nature of these seminaries. They were most respectable semi ner:e and of greet antiquity—they were bodes that were known to the primitive Church—they were bodies which the Church of Rome ha I dare wisely in retaining, and which he would le much pleased to see in our own Church. They were insftuted, filet, for the purpose of giving instruction to persons who were qualify ing for holy orders, a most useful purpose, and he thought such as institution would prove of great benefit t 3 our Church. Another put pose of the seminaries was to attend to foreign missions, and this St. Sulpice was a most illustrious instance of the piety of an exci llent man, a'. intimate friend of Fenelon. To his piety did it owe its existence. The exertions of the missionaries In Nee France, as the United Province of 'Canada was then idled, were crowned with much success ; they bad ha ce very successful in converting the Indian t abes ; he was sorry to say that the impression 'vas not more per manent. However, the consequence of their success was the forneit - on of a society reeeadling our Society for the Propereation of the Gospel in Foreign and to them was made over the Island of Mont real •by Louis the Fours e nth in the year 1667 ; hut he distinctly guarded against permitting the Meetre al seminary to be anything more than a mere de pendency to the society, in Paris. They occupied the houses end lands even now ; they occupied near 15,000 acres, 800 ef which was wood, from which they obtain( d tl eir fuel—one farm of ISO acres was in their own oc cupation, at d another farm was let. With regard to the seignories they were distinctly possessed by the Si mit ary of St. Sulpice in Paris, as was clearly proved by Sir John Sewed in 1501—be adduced proofs clearly showing that Ile society in Montreal was an eff shoot— depende 'ery of the society in Paris. Now he appre hent'ed that the recognised principle of national law was that all the corporations, nay, that all the rights of in ilieidu ils which were opposed to the institutions of the conquering State, were ipso facto abolished by that conquest. That was the ordinary nd common sense doctrine, and therefore it was perfeet'y open to the r.ew State to say that they should devolve to the Crown for the conversion and instruction of the Protestant poim la'ioe, as they were formerly applied to the Roman Catholic population. if that was not done they fell to the Crown of right. From the year 1773, down to the year 1829, various officers of 11. e Crown, after investigating the legal rights of elms, ecclesiastics:, affirmed the principle he had stated. What occurred ? Why, that besides being extinct, they were not even to be dealt with as individuals. They were not even entitled to the benefit of the cap:telation. None of the terms of the capitulation of Montreal gave any recognition to these parties. On the contrary, they had permission to hold the property till his Ma jesty's pleasure should be known. They were per mitted to go to France and dispose of tl.c property, no intimation having been given of his Majesty's pleasure, and in 1784 the Seminary of St. Sulpiee at Paris, who were not parties to the capitol ition, executed a deed of gift of their seminary (although they did not pretend to be a corporation)of S'. Sulpice at Montreal. That was the title by which these gentlemen claimed, and it was a title wholly repudiated by ail the Commissioners. Commissioners hal considered that tl.c Crown mad invariably treated the members of the Seminary of St. Sulpice as legally and equitably entitled to coo -1 tinue in possession of the property. He Lad shown that by the instructions which continued to be given to each successive Governor, down to the time of Lord Gosforel, the me:Aces of the seminary were entitled t ) tl.e subject of their claims, but from the time of Lord Gesford those instructions were changed, and the right was in Lis (Lord Gosford's) time first withdrawn. That would show that the notion was repudiated, of the asse..t of the Crown being given to the posseesion of this pur- perty, by the memLere of S'eSulpice. He - would g:ve ano her instance of it totheir Lordships. He was sorry t a' the Noble E irl who, in the year 1835, filed the office of Colonial Secretary, was not in the House, but he would Les leave to read to their Lordships an ex tract from a despatch of the Ist of January, 1835, ehich he had sent to Lord At erde._er. It happened that the Provincial Legisl. tare ;hissed a 811 relative to public education. That Bill con ta'ned some provisions of so objectionable a nature that the then Gevernment thought it neces'a-y to ad vise his Majesty to withhold his sanction from it. In the despatch to which he refers their Lordships, we find :hose words—" The decision of the question in favour of the seminary would involve consequences which every Canadian, whatever might be his origin or of whatever religious persuasion he might happen to be, would alike depreeate." So much for the acquiescence of Govern ineut in th t uninterrupted tit'e of the seminary to t' :e property chinned. There was, then, be contended, no necessity for holding a great commercial city bound by eaages which were now become obsolete. There hey had a complete contradiction to many of tie allegations of the Commissioners on - which they founded the opi nion, that this seminary was entitled to hold this in quity whatever they were in law. But they had the! authority of the Government in 1835, announce! by the Secretary for the Colonies, at the time of the d.sartrous consequences weich every Caradiun, whatever his religious profession or polittcel opinions migl.t be, would have reason to anticipate. He (the Bishop of Exeter) rejoiced thet the petitioners had so high an author ty in their favour. He would now say a few words on a part of the subject which involved a great deal of delicacy in its consideration ; lie mean the merits of this body. As individuals, he be:ieved they were entitled to the honour, respect, and re verence of every religious communion upon earth. In deed this was exemplified by their conduct and by the uniform testimony of everybody in the colonies ; but their merits as a useful body was a different thing to their merits as individuals. To what object had they directed their exertions ? Their objects were stave lin the appendix to Lord Duthi:Ws Report, as returned by the Superior of the seminary. They were first the service of the parishes of Montreal, containing 20,000 Roman Catholics, only 3,000 of whom were English, Irish, and Scotch ; secondly, the mission to the Lakes of the Two Mountains ; thirdly, the little seminary of scho'ars ; fourthly, a school consisting of thirty masters and fourteen hundred children ; fifthly, the foundation of Grey Sist ; sixthly, a foundation for poor and aced individuals ; se ver.thiy, a foundation for forty Irish female orphans; and in the year 1838 there was a new object established, that of the Brethren of the Christian Schools. This was a body of men brought from Fiance, and he (the Bishop of Exeter) confessed Le did not think the worse of them on that account, hut it was right to say he had heard and blevsd they were Jesuits. He did not wish to enter into any discussion of the merits of tl.at order, but lie thought. it was not entitled to special favour from their Lordships.— ( Hear.) Tots establishment was frequented by 260 young men, who were taught writing, arithmetic, &c. The sec ad of those objects was the only one that itt all agreed with the objects for which the Seminary of S•. Sulpice in Paris had endowed this property. This semi nary was in Montreal, and the only object for which it had been established, by King Louis XIV., in 1677, was for the conversion and instruction of all his sub jects. Their Lordships would observe it was not given for the inhabitants of Montreal alone, but for all the sub jects of Louis XIV. In New France it belonged to all. It belonged equally to all—first to the environs of the Indians, and alter that to all the subjects of the Crown in that part of the French dominions called New France. It was remarkable that in the capitulation of Montreal there was a special demand that the Indians who had taken part with the French during the war should be protected ; and in the 40th article it was demanded that the Catholic Bishop should be allowed to send missionaries amongst the Indians. All that part of the article which referred to the protection of the Indians was agreed to,' but the British general refused to allow the Bishop the power of sending missionaries. All the Governments since that time had acted upon those principles up to the recent despatches sent to the present Governor-General, Lord Sydenham. He assured their Lordships that he held the exertious of those gen tlemen in great respect. But what had been the iesult of their exertions? 'roe Learne I Prelate then read an extract from Lord Durham's Report, in which it was state I that it was impossiele to exaggerate the want of education amongst the labouring population, and the gross neglect of their teachers.—(Hear, hear.) Tne Noble Earl added, that no more than two hun- • dred or three hundred persons were educated in the Canadian schools ; and that those parties who Were a ll advocates, or notaries, or surgeons, possessed an unli mited influence over their uneducated neighbours. ou u ; The instructed class ha I no sympathies or interests distinct from the rest of the population , who reposed t them a confidence which nothing but _a _sitenlhri of n feeling could generate. The entire want of education bad • r: ndered the population ungovernable, and given the agitators a power which they wielded against the laws and interests of the community. Such were the statements of the Earl of Durham, in his able Report —he would not say wise Report, for he did not agree with many of its doctrines.—( Hear.) He admitted that the prie,t3 of the seminary of Saint Sulpice had done great good in preventing an outbreak i. Moat e.l, but it could net be denied that it was in those parts of Canada which were mutt under the in- fleence of the clergy, that the worst excesses of the insurrection hal taken place. He therefore said that on that head there was no special reason which should ' interpose between that body and justice—if it should be found that justice required that that vast property shoull he employed by the Crown for the public good. Tecre could be no doubt but the ordinance materially benefited the semitiary. That, however, he held to be nething ; but there were higher considerations wt iel proved the iliegi Ity of this ordinance. The ordinance (fie. ted to create an Ecclssia4tical Corporation Gt Re ' wish priests. He would venture to say, that this was ' the first attempt to do such a thing. King James 11. never attempt e I it, and Father 1- 1 : ter re :•er attempted it. • No, such an attempt was reserved for the present Gc vernrhent in the year 1840 —an attempt, he would venture to say, which was against the fundamental law of the co untr y. N ow , what was the first object of ' incorporation ? Why, to make perpetual ; and could a Protestant Government, or a Protestant Legisla ture, if it was what it professed to be, dare to per. pi twos that which ought not to be perpetuated, and which must cease to ex at ? if he were called upon to cite a statute tbet defined clearly, and declared the Constitution of the land, he avotild ‘ cite the statute of appeals of the 24th of Henry VIII., chap. 12. That statute described the state of England, and it el timed for the Crown to be indepeendent of every foreign Power. It st ited that there - -were bodies politic of different classes of persons, calied by the names of spiritual and temporal, that that body which was bound to the Crown of Great Britain was sufficient to dis charge all the demands for justice in the reales, and it proceeded to declare tha.k seit..., be un lawful to apps al W e eny . - foreiate, and ite-espe cially ousted the authority of . WO:no ; and thet statute passed before Henry VII Let wed to be in communion with the Church of Rome. The next statues to which he might refer were the Q rebec Act, and the, Consti tutional Act of 18:31, which stated that while every favour should be given to the Roman Catholics of Ca t air), it must be subject to the supretra-ry of the Crown declared end enacted by the Ist of El.z.theth, and that Act declared that that supremacy should exist over the whole of the British Empire, and'it was beyond the moral power of Parliameet to do any thing in deroga- • tion of those fundamental statutes, what the.) must be said to this ordinance? But then it might be said that it was necessary to pass some ordinance to make ails an Ecclesiastical Corporut on ; he thought such a state went would be perfectly farcical. For this he had the authority of the British Legislature in tt.e estatitslt anent of the College of Maynoo:b. That Ccl e e o teas eaabled by Act of Pail ament to bold linds ; but the Legislature of those days never dreamed of making it a corporation ; they only inca't it to continue as long as the educational necessities of the Roman Catholics of Ireland required ; and they studiously avoided giving it a corporate character. Not only, then, was this ordinance not necessary for the purposis contemplate I, but the framers ought to have beers warned by the examele of the wise men of those days, to adopt some ether scheme far carrying their object into cff.ct. He must say, he said it with pain, but he mutt say frankly and fairly, that he re garded this as only one of many instances of tire et:- croachments of Rome at the present time. Bigot as their Lordships might think hint, Le fairly avowed that he believed that nesor, from the era of the Reformetior, were the rights and liberties of every state in Europe, of America, of our Colonies, of Newfoundland, and of other la ts, more . endang red than at the pre eat time. At no period were such gigantic cffares wade by Rome to resume her empire ; and never, never were they met with—he wished that he need only say such utter indifference, but he must aid, with such partiality and favour.—(" No," from Viscount Melbourne.) He rejoiced to hear the Noble Viscount disclaim this par tiality and favour. He would give him ample credit for his averment in spite of all the appearances to the contrary ; he would give him credit for not teeming t ) extend such favour. But then, whether the Nub'e Viscount meant favour or not, some how or other favour was shown. Tee Noble Marquis near him did not mean anything of the sort ; yet It so happened that in a docu ment givee to that House by the authority of the No ble Marquis when he was Celenial Secretary, a certain Roman Catholic functionary in Canada ear called the Bishop of Quebec. No doubt it was dote quite inad vertently, but t indicated the manner in which such things were regarded. At the cepitulation of Quebec, one of the points required on the part of the inhabitants was that the Bishops of Quebec should be of the Roman Catholic community. The Legislature laugtel at the i very notion, and every att e mpt w hi c h was a f terwar d s I made to establish a Roanan Catholic Bishop had totally f i1ed.,..0a ewe pce,a,iiun .4u.,individual Who bad rassurued 1 that title under tireesinChorifof the Pope, had a seven: 1 reproof administered to him by Lord G Isbciough. Yet the Cchnial Office of the present clay did not scruple to recognize a Roman Catholic functionary as Bishop of Quebec. He (tie Bishop of Exeter) thought • it a great misfortune, that when the 1 act admit a )1,) Bishop died his suce , ssor did net assume the title, but he was only called the Bishop of Montreal, and the Government recognised a Rowan Catholic as the Bisl op of Quebec. Th e shout' at least be aware of these things, that they might be prepared to meet the enemy. This ordinance mutt, in some way or other, be blotted out of the legisiation of Canada. The Act of Union passed last year, was in the very teeth of this ordinance. By that statute, the consolidated fund of the province was charged with the payment to her Majesty of two several sums of 45,0001. and 30,0001., for tee several services and purposes named in the schedu es. Then it went on to say, that so long as the said sums should be payable, they should be ac cepted instead of all territorial and other revenues then at the disposal of the Crown. In what he said upon this subject, he was supported by the spirit of the first Re. port of the Canadian Commission, in 1837. Tire Rev. Prelate read a paraeraph from the speech of Lord Gosford, on opening the Le.gislatute of Lower Cauads, in which he promised tie give up all the King's casual, territorial, and hereditary revenues, nn condition of being granted w Civil List—and in the rppendix to that appeared a list of what was proposed to be given up ; and in atticle 10 in that appendix, was the cl jai of the Crown to the scignories of Montreal. That appeared in the Report of the Commissioners. Now he would ask, was that either fair—nay, be would ask, was it honest ? Was it what would be dune between man and man in decent common life ? first propose to give it to one party, and their turn round and give it to another?—(Hear.) The Noble Viscount might think that there was no danger in this, but_of Lite they had found that unions did not always give satisfaction ; that even after forty years, much agitation prevailed against a union with which there was not one particle of fraud connecte I. Now what might be the case in Canada? The people of that coun try would have no shadowy grievance to complain of— they would feel it in their purses, in their religion, in all that man held dear ; they would feel the bad f iith which would be dealt to the Canadians if the ordiraece were p a ssed into a law. if common honesty and common sense had anything to do ,with the question their Lord s hips would comply with the psa;er of the petition, unless the Noble Viscount could satisfy them that in justice would be done by it. It was for their Lordships ' to consider how deeply they would be responsible for the frightful evils which might and would flow from the measure, if, when he called upon them for a vote, they allowed the ordinance to become law. When that time came be would call upon them to deal with it as a Bill on their Lordship's table, without who e concurrence it could never become 1:w. The British population of Montreal called it a fraudu lent invasion of the rights of properte, and had they urged it still further, a .d called it a manifest and di rect violation of the compact, he thought they would have bt en right. They who urged that it was a viola tion of good faith, and well they might, for it was these teens, who, at the risk of their lives, and by their valour acrd virtue, at a time when tie parties connected with the Seminary of St. Sulpice, endeaveured to wrench the province from the British Crown—it was these men who had secured that province to Great Britain. Their Lordships would bear in mind that the time chosen for passing Unit ordinance was when there had been a negative of that system of representation. to which they were entitled. Tire subject was a grave one, and should be gravely at:ended to. 'f he G o vernor- General himself had edrn:tted that the ordinan c e w not u o n h a good one,te obligationsand that it had of be Crow n• ro reluctantly Who forced p was the Governor-General ? Undoubtedly he wast a were elae of great ability and taler.t, d entitled to respect, but and was whose got c co t ss known atomtleraesmutheywthhiacthobrdaidnacnocme come alone. und er e t. i h e a i had Clergy consideratione c o tp nt Reservese a e d last Session. He alluded to the They did not then hear anything of (Canada) Bill. wouldt Ireo b n although their Lordships ' 111. a name never f to be consented g i t N n e favour the Roman Catholics mentioned lrigecaot v li v ol 'i e.n t c h s re free exercise of their religion, sent a message to t°otufhttalli:oGn i Co n e ur:rr,fwew Canada, he n h s e o the asking them to make a grant of land (hi s pro perty) for the support of the Protestant E,tiablish went.- Parliament did so, and there was the obligation of the Crown recognised. That did not, 1 10% ,,,, tr, ape pear so stringent to the Governor-General as the other o bligations to which he alluded, nor did itpreivleadntbleriemn from setting at naught all those rights which consecrated and acknowledged by the oath of the Sove reign. Ha rejoiced to say that that example had Le n followed by his late Majesty William IV. who had sect down a message to the Legislature of Canada, desiring them to make some arraseee eneets to put an end to the differences about the Clergy Reserves, and stating therein thot be was bound, no less by personal feeling MORNING EDITI6I/41 Hon by the sacred obligations of the se.tlen to .shie I Providence had caned hoe, ta watch Byer tire interests sd the Pretcstant C resell in a:l baits of tae empire, and never to abandon them to any other party. The first purpose to which those clergy reserves :ere to be am lied, was to pay those ministers of to igion to whom the faith of Government was pledged. Among those ministers were the Raman Cethelh: priests.- The amounts to be pairl to them was 45001. Thet was done by a statute which their Lordships passed. They were now told by that same Cil% crone. (.;encri.l who ut s ted that measure that he would be glad not to urge :t; bet that he teas so hamper e I he could not help io He (the Bishop of Exeter) celled upon their Lerdships tot stand between the country and the danger e. hinn such a measure as that to which the ti!,.•it on iel . ,ned was calculated to produce. Tee high coasiderat in of duty and faith were not trampled (..v:o tie the Li-gi,i,t ire with itn , uni!y. H: Would th.,,,ture move th t the peCtien be received. Viscount MELBOURNE shin :hot the sot ject ou which tier Rev. Prelate had speken at such ',Aiello was cur t,orly ore of considerahle.import meer. 1: : however, 4 1s - e l se : e l s o me dogs: e of obFcuri'y, and Le be -I:erserl tbeir Lordships were not fain Far with its d, tail , . It was ot t, act', tionatiirid that t! o Itz-v*, 'Prelate, coneeisieg what he had to say was of gray t im pert Ince, should have entered runic what mere into de tail than scented necessary on the present occasion. The Rev. Prelate, in stating his views on tie sulrject, had entered into such length, that he ( V:seeunt Meth( urne) thought their Lordships would see that it was not ne cessary for him t) follow Vie Rte. Pre 1 le t'irotqh ail the el,c,ilF. It would, lie tout= iced, Le sufficient for him (Vol:scut Melbourne) to tee t ibis matter in the light in which it really stood is the presentation of a petition.Ha did not think it necestary t o go i i ts the full and complete length of the whole of the it t ments ami argumeats which had heen gone through by the Rev. Prelate. Toe Rev. Pride e, in the first place, cock some objections against that ordinance which were stated in the petition. He (rile Behop of Ex ter.) rn.:(!e allegations which we-e nut nale in the petitioe, rea d which rested entirely upaa his mu nuthority. He (Viscount Melbourne) supposed t tat be learned them from the sersons from whom he reeelsel his inifraefonr. Ti e 11. a ,.. Pee ate said the: the Le - gishe use., in pressing that ordinance, lied net received teat which it ought to Lea reerelv.rd—.bat same of the nrotioos made fur infcrinalioa on tie subj et were noga i el. Now, they must dese s s give credit to is As sem I•iy Lir pn-oc;•celin_ 7 no t'io it:form. t oa whi c l i al i g h t he n CLS .a.ry., The I t -V. Pi C‘.11.0 c! niplAined of the course of proceedings in Cinad.i. It was to ha sup posed.'V at the Special Council in trot (newsy did their dots. The Rev. Pref. to made st t meets about what persons vo•el, and the reasons IA by they v t 01, and that soin, body would have rot: d bet that le wes rent for by tic Go; ernor-r.ieneral. The Res. P.elote dill not mean to say that the vote of that r e son would have lord the least h flee ice on the proceedings ; but meoly that he was absent. Why ti ese never Was a measure passed in any Assembly the t was Oct sul jeet to imputations and obse.vrtions of !bet oetare, and it wool be, therefore, fitting for their Lin - elhhips to dis in'ss from titer minds all that the R v. Prelate had said on that subject. It rat stoic.] that the Attorsey- General, contrary to Lis usu..' custom, presided or er the preee. dins of the Courted. Tnet was a matter on ahich he (Viscount Me itourne) was net instructed, and he cold,' only sly flat, if the Attornery- Ge :er,l did preside, he did nothing unbecoming on that occaiir. Wh4tever was done was in accord acne w:t'i t c rules of proceeding t oleo :mei was un comic:etc I wt i tarry unfitting or imp op r mode of procesding. The It V. P.ehte went on at treat lerrosth to observe upon tie number and impe.t rece of the persons who ssg: el tie petiiiore lie (Lcrd Mel bourne was not iiirtruce el to say anything to the con trary. 'lll t. petition was preeissly i.isntieal in terms w4o the p thion transmitted by toe Governer-General in the despatch of the I3C-. of March, ISIO, nod which nal addressed to her M , j.•sty. The P.;:v. Preht a cal gone it to the w h&c qusetrin of w hat was the stet: of this Seminary of St. Salpi, C before the conquest of Can..da, and of how far it was aff-cted by ti e 'eapi tolaticn, of bow far it was effe. t el by the grant of the Sm t a-y cf Paris, and ( I hew far it was affected by the Act of 1774, and hail said that on all these wavers considerable legal deuhts had arisen and beta e. italned, and that many Govern meats heel received opinions of vent legal authority impugning the right of th Seminary of Sr. Su!pice to these e:tfeo fled to the fetarlal tenure; with which th y were accompanied. Them; evas no doubt of tlii.t, and the It-gilt Rev. Prelate lal gone ints a long ar gument against the Rodent of the C rmmissionerso by w'oich, uequestionally, he hlt hiar elf much ember rasseb, and which, in his (Lord M Itierurne's) opinion, was so ells:hat, el ar, and desisise, ti at it was irtpos sill: to all 'go a word against it. Ile 'Commissioners redoitA trust it was true Vile: was no 14; I tele its the Seminary of St. Sulpie e, but tl a' it wool) be derogas t ,ry to the honour of the Crown to coot st it, but for some gle It urincipl ,in the semi, a-y having bcea its ueinterru i ee 1 possession of it for seventy years. He (Lord M.) begged their Lit-els:lips to consider v.liat the skim of tle Seminary o'S-. Salpice {c.,F. Since the yoer 177:3, wi ea the counts, came too the possessi. n of Lie B. tish Crown, they had !eel in pessession of all this property, and in the complete exercise of all tl e:e seigeorial rights. He re wa, the i eeoguition by the Go vernor-Generic by a 3 many Councils as had I s Ca nadasa,mt2inboc since ce the Act ot 179 4 , an d b y as many k as Lad sat iu Lower Canada since tbe year 1790, when the Act was passed. Na,, he (Lord XL bourae) said this per mission, notwithstanding any khal or spe culiA to opinions that might be eetcrtained oil the sub ject, a permisslon of this kind by the Sernioary of St, Su of the comp tea exer c i se o f these rights—ne saint possession of this kind was not to be con sider. d as a settled and fixed posssien,thetietvas no suand fixed such thing as a set xed possession amon g man kind. It this was not to t c cot s:dcred as a motel nerd equitable right to this pro le rty, strd err e iing any prior legol right that might possibly exist, there was notbies; in human affairs that could by possibility be M I .. sidere 1 as fixers, settled, stable, and permare r.t. It war on these grounds, the possession being so !eo.led, that this ordinance had been framed in order to make e future means of relieving the soultry, by tic regelar coerce of purchase and sale, of the evils which there feudal reaures were supposed t e it fl et. Tee Rev. Prelate had nct made any serious attack upon the terms in which the ordinance was framed, but he had made an attack up in Iris Nehle Friend, rasieg that the met ter was set lel by contract bet wee a the seminary at Paris and thet r t Moat-eel and beteesn the l i tt er tied the Commissioners. But therein be (Lord Melbourne) apprehended that the only evidence furnished by Mr. Buller in hi,: le,:ort was the stolen eat that there was as fair evidence of cow e.at on t'ul part of the semi nary it Montreal as could be cc le.thd, not weaning that theses r e •sons were exact'y authorised to contract on their part. If the Rev. Pretate should he induced to effect that he seemed to hope for, end bring the matter forward in a manner which would lead to more decisive c onsequences, he (Lord Melbourne) dirt trust that on consh.'er, tion their Lotthdlips would feel this ar rang; ment was the best mode in which ti c whole mat ter coell be settled, and that thetr Lordships would think it their duty nonott ) ad v i se her Uric:sty to with hold her assent from it. The Right Rev. P. elaee had taken it go eat many objections ti the ordinances as con trary t r the previsions of the Canada Aet, fur ulna he (Lord Mahourne) thought there wi.s no foundation whate% or. lie had also taken au ntjection t 3 it, as estehlishiee an ecclesiastic a l Ituteish corporation, which he s del wa oi s tuni ? „ c o t n t . r n a e ry ltu to h tl e 'e urn C e) "s C o t h l a i e t reasoning i c ,o n lnc t l t , lhe P ( t i l i n j ' e c e i r p i d ) a l i c s t s a i l ge e ah o th ,c f He did net . ti . tink Reverend Prel ate.—( Hear, hear.) there was anything wlrteet or in . ties. jxc t o objections. t doseis„ or in the objections •a:th r espcil t, tl h` or ! ce l d ' it to vi p , r is operty in unetha n eq : spoostshs4sts.ot _t sod nest appear tuk f Qt. Stilpiee. I the S IninarY 6 - ' • f ic i n the slightest degree an him (Lord Melhourne) , t t ) of Perbamee.t. Toe R ev , infringrtnet t of die ,. ~.,,id it wa ,, aos : oe vide c ac i, e:f e , i n .. nd o H ri e git ( ltc o d rd fro A t i n :l ' i nitmu of the I°,ilsaobfwitY,tisill-lelemelokrrist:l7yn-lal!tiietchqueureinly .1 n Prelat , R,rn v i s:r h nment to favour and assist ti t . could 02. did d eny n any fel ine o r i n _ o tnu - that 11 1 P t bc e l'iri i: °ui t ;r :: : : :s)lsi%)f iit'.liteb liad mentioned ef the re( oer .• • t e w l 3 guile sufficient Catholic tl: . li..shop he r itt ! i'l: te,ol;:nirlf:::ol°(7lfltill'tena°,:ita.3:l,rn.rkedf.t.''roilenuanitctkil'ic'idee.:lrallt: foundation b'atl:o.i stfahtarsg:rivietg'.6il.l.;l2;il'd.i.SwaP.ge°reaesiki:l°ragt:Pn.dcornfo':etrteb•ithL:- g rowl , e resistane • o ni f f. c i t tF r:h a ie cA to waled larege str" ("‘Pw'llOil On the clients, he (Lord a; IN , Melbourne) irttnihocetc:eciri:listbi:lN,:,-(:l7l.part rgisarenatctleroach lc-, o h t u ; re b h u t of wits : l i e , Iconfineday ‘;.114: Scotland been vet y feeble in its demand; .. • ? Vas one., 100 N the Church of Englind quite free ( i icy t tt a tton t on t C he liu p r r tc e h sen o t f froth a dispo,itic.n of this sort to cneroaehmert and on the Cilureh Disci o?.liiglillte I : li l w i l ie tr ard d i ( n ,et t r l i t n e e s s p , eech of the Rev. and the tame t,ll their Lordships,Ptl:llaet Bill,h w t hen Longa the mcastr e was not beyond their legal and lei satire ti.c Rev. Pre:we power, ye t that it wire, beyond their moral power. Now, that he (Lord Melbourne) called a domineering and encioaching stctiiiipioChurchessepdo poste-, ..(,i j a ffileel g ri r et( e iLo t t t homro d dul i ig s i Iphot Mel bourne) sPrit.—(llear, hear.) If t h e Right Rev. Prelate c d that charge to the Church said that t t h (i .it in t c h i t e rre ,se wa e s e i c n k a si l na l meii as n ar l o h u n ld h ot e co, b , fi e wbich 'depended the pre whlise:rt,olieahri,testnider ae la w h i g tb h : j i those Acts of tho the u tquat.: . prosperity of that part Government, upon of the e mpire. WELLINGTON Intel listened with s ( C " l 'fo c iTl i t. llll , i lt n (°l er i n a a I j bl i l l ee ci Gl ui u : ei n : . : and great attention to the speech of the Riolit Ray. Prelate, and he thought that the House was unees great obli gations to Lim for the light which he had threwn upon the sub;cet, by which lie had enabled them to decide I'lE - vifit y at To-