The Sun. — London, England, 1819-03-24 00:00:00

I'oll 'l'llE, SUN. INSOLVENT DEB fORS. ME. EDITOR, —Your UCH reSpOndent, W. M-11, Te!Bpi'', has stated, that " the money paid by the Thatched House Society for the release of a Debtor is generally swallowed up by the expellees of the bare arrest." A more convincing proof cannot be, that neither Debtor nor Creditor are benefited by the present system of imprisonment. Allow me then to suggest, through the medium of ~ our Paper,—tor indeed Tug Sy N appears the only Journal that locks to the public welfare, — that. the Thatched !louse Society should make the experiment of paying the debts of those Debtors only who are ant imprisoned. Thus, the Cieditor will pause on incarcerating his wretched bonds- luau, when he knows that theteby he will merely feed his own Attorney, and deprive It of at y ci,nee ,s 1 payineot. It ‘vonid be easy, Sir, to make this regulation accord with tic oilier rules of this exerneur Society. CLEIENS. FOR '1 II E INIPIIISONNIENT FOR bE3T. To cßmiToßs, TRADER., AND MEN OF Pr.o- PEa"IY. (Contiimed There are bot fr,ur kind; 1) hints, and rutin) et itch of those is it expected that Imprisonment will produce or compel payment ? First, there is the Dentor who has no.hing to ply any part of . his debt. Secondly. he who has means to pay part of it, but not the entire. 'Thirdly, he who has barely sufficient ; and Fonrthly, he who has more than sufficieor to pay the entire of his debt. First, Then, from the Debtor who has nothing to pay, what can lie • expected = lie is shut up from his own exertions, which tt ere the only rieatis remaining to enable him to pay any thing ; of those he is now deprived—he is locked np f.om the possibdity of earning; and can folly itself imagine, that inability is enabled by the vety act which entirely disables, or, if not en aldcd, can by that act he compelled to pay any Secondly, The Debtor who has the means to pay part, but not the entire of his debt, is equally tibut np from the power of earning. lie is bereft of his liberty, and t ied tip from industry or effort. How thco can he he expected to do that to tvhich he was unegitai hetc , re % Oo the contrary, he is obliged to live in his compulsory idleness on that sx'hich tnight whet wise go towards paying' his dch•, Aml li thus sooir without the pU3ai liiy of thiog. Thirdly, I)ebtor tvho has barely s3fficient m aiti to riv his debt, sett-plescrvation, that fitst law of I'.;:iture, will oblige to keep those mein SI. 111)Oft Vxisteilce tiuder incarceration lind involuntary inactivity. If he gives to his imprisoning Creditor, he wrongs his unimprisoning Cr:editors, and ,he leaves himself to starve. I►efore he wars imprisoned, he offered his C re di tor as much as, with a just regard to st It-preservation and the tigh:s of other Creditors, he was able to pay, he is not, atter the various expellees to Bai liffs, in a loelti-up house, and in a prison, able to give what was before rtfused. It he has not, hufoic his imprisonment, made his Creditor a fair offer, lie k not likely to do so alter imprisonment has destroyed what was his strongest tie to do so, his credit. Whether he is honest or no, his iru• prisonment takes from him the possibility of pav ing th e entire debt, as, since he was arrested, part, and that also generally no sm a ll p art , o f what was originally Irately sufficient to pay the dehi, has been consumed. No person ever, but the dishonest, or he who is by habit hardened to imprisonment, suffers him self to be imprisoned for debt till he has done more to avoid it than strict justice to himself or his unprosecuting Creditors would allow. He then sees, that if he gives his imprisoning Creditor whatever remnant of property he still has, this Creditor having it in his power, as the entire debt cannot be paid, to continue or renew the im prisonment, will probably do again what he has done (saute ; and that even though this Creditor should give him his discharge in full, his other Creditors, justly vexed at his haviog paid the un• merciful Creditor every thing, and themselves no thing, will probably have recourse to what anger as wdl as example invites them. fie sees, there fore, that not parting with what little lie has, affords hint tke (slily chance of existence, while be considers that the Creditor who has torn him from fibers}, hurried him into ruin, .and blighted all his prospects, deserves no great attention or regard trout him. No honest man can but feel, when the infliction is brought home to himself, thou.-4h he may not in the case of others, because not so hilly forced on- his reflertion, that he is unjusily punished, because punished without crime (for DEBT is not GUILT) ; and that the person who punishes tutu unjustly owes hitn 'reparation for the imprisonment. If therefore he tan pay any thing. it is nor certainly to the man who he considers owes hint reparation, he wishes to pay it. To Ibis Creditor, revenge, or a sense of justice to his other Creditors, forbids him to give any thing ; this is always the case with the ho nest prisoner for debt. The dishonest prisoner for debt in this case, who probably has been un willing, is now tendered unable to pay the entire debt ; and from paying any of it he is still more strongly than the lustiest prisoner for debt with held by self-pteservation, as lie has less to hope for from character or mercy. - bus from either, while in prison, and conse quently in cons owing iii!productiveness, there is a physical impos!•ibilny of getting the entire of the debt, wijle the Creditor has, in addition to the los, of Ge debt, to pay his Attorney's heavy bill of costs and charges. But if, after finding the experiment of imprison ment vain, the Cu editor releases his Debtor, and 104 ks to his future acquisition, what acquisition cat► he reasonably expect ? The Insolvent Acts make the Debtor's future property liable to the as well. as tioc on:lopristoimg 1 rte iniii,fice of this is not it's only tault, giving equial claims over the Debtor's property to the Creditor, who has deprived him of his first, his inherent, at 4 most valuable property, of what w a s so much more valuable than his debt, of his hbertv; and to the Creditor who has not depriv ed him of any thing, nor had any payment what soever Irmo hint ; and thus holding out a pre. orlon) to injustice and cruelty, which is undoubt edly a crying iniquity. But this is not the only moral detect of this provision. The Acts are somewhat delusive in this particular, and not more so to the ntrimprisonmg Creditor than to the im prisoning. What chance. has the man, liberated by ao Insolvent A t, of making any a, qui:ition either for the imprisoning or onimprisoning Cre ditor, or even for himself 1 • He has no capital, his credit is rained, his conoexioos are rent asunder, and the character of . having been in jail for debt, and liberated by an Act of Insolvency, bangs about his neck like a mill-stone, and keeps him tinder in spite of every exertom, every effort, to rise ; instead of being able to ac quire ail , thing for the Creditors, be is more than commooly fortunate it he can, by industry, pro vi-!e enough to enable himself to drag on a mi serahie existence of penury and degradation—or finding his endeavours vain, his acti , ,iiy baffled, his enert::ies repressed, and all his prospects blast ed, he betakes himself to evil, but almost neces sary coot ses, which end in a death of crone and igtmlioy• The annals of our Criminal Courts will flay verify results of this nature. From having no capital—from having his con nexions destroyed, and his credit ruined—and tram the necessary habits of Mactivily contracted in the compulsory idleness and melancholy torpor of a jail, there is hardly a possibility of his being coaled to do any more titan ( A l lah ) a mere ex istence ; and even, in this (ate, the Creditor t► ill only have the loss of his Attorney's hill of costs and charges, with disappointment, vexation, trou ble, and loss of time, to add to that of his debt. Here, Creditors, you see it is cleat from reason, as well as proved by tact, what utter fully it is to expect any thing but additi , Tal loss from imprisouiug either of those three kinds of Debtors—the Debtor who has nothing' to pay any part—the Debtor who has o n ly , v t i „ t pay part, but not the entire—or the Deb;or who has barely what would pay the entire of his debt. Yon only ruin them, and injure yourselves. You reduce them from partial and present to entire and lasting inability, while you do so at a heavy ex pellee tnyourseives ; and from entire anti lasting inability who can expect any thing ? Fourthly, Then, from the Debtor who has more than sufficient to pay the entire of his debt, you have to see what imprisonment is likely to procure you ; for from this Debtor only it is that there is any probability of Itoprisonment's procuring you any payment. But this Debtor also must be di minishing his means, by his necessary consump tion of them, in his loss of liberty and exertion, while the Creditor's lost is swelled by the law expellees and charges. Thus the Debtor' s a bility of paying will he lessened, wkile it trill be of no utility to the Creditor, that so much of, perhaps, most valuable time should be wasted away in worse titan nnproductiveness. Besides, of the very few who have more than sufficient to pay their Debt, and will bear to be imprisoned rather than pay it, n i ne t e en out of twenty will stay in prison 'till they spend what they have, rather than pay him who has deptived than of the best bless ing of nature, liberty, in prejudice to the rights of more merciful Creditors. Auger, pride, the spirit of not yielding to compulsion, hatred, obstinacy, and other motives, will urge them. E x _ perience proves this, as well as knowledge o f hit man nature teaches it ; and until a Law of Resti tution shall be established for yielding to all the Creditors a just and equal participation in the means of the Debtor, any mode of compulsion by Imprisonment or otherwise must he productive of cruelty and injustice ; and the Creditor who pursues a Prisoner with unrelenting severity, till he obtains payment, commits a species Of rubbery on the other Creditors, who have refrained from such procedure, and with whose claims the per secuting Creditor is acquainted. W. M—N, Temple. LONDON JOURNALS. FROM I'HE MORNING PAPERS OF THIS DAY. [Morning Chronicle.] Extract of a Letter front an Officer in the Ve neznelian service, dated 100 miles on the River thinoko, January 8, 1819 : " A sail has just hove in sight, which gives me the opportuni!y of sending you a few lines. Yes terday we tell in with the ship Tartar, waiting for a pilot, and assisted her in getting into the River. She is now at anchor, all well, in the Orinoko.— Every thing in the affairs of the Patriots looks as well as possible.—The Supreme Chief has left Angostura, to take the command of the-aNny." Extract of a Getter from a respectable house, dated Kingston (Jamaica), Feb. 4t11.—" Al'Gre gor is arrived in an armed brig at Aux Cayes,•and yesterday Sir Home Popham dispatched his Ma jury's ship Iphigenia to reconnoitre his move men ts.—(lbid.) [Morning Post.] By a letter front Buenos Ayres, dated Dee. 24, we are informed that the Government had just published a Decree, stating their determination to render . justice to all nations, and disavowing tl►e many disgraceful acts committed by privateers under their flag.—The letters from Salta (a p►o. vince of Buenos Ayres), state that the population near Estancia, six or seven leagues from Salta, had been greatly elated by the discovery of hidden treasures, consisting of rich metals, in bars, found near that place.—The lever had begun to make its appearance at Buenos Ayres. [New Times.] We yesterday received Asiatic Mirrors to the 21st of Oc!ober. Bojee Row, . the Ex-Peishwa, had arrived by the 14st accounts at Ajmere, and ,vas expected at Mintra about the beginning of November. Alipa Saheb, late Riijah o.f Nagpore, was still at large, and stvetal sitirinklies had 1,41,en pidee betkrecn or: tr);:pt snl partlt of tlt iii which the former ‘vere uniformiy suc cessful. It was stated, that Brigadier-General Arnold was about to ni rch against the refractory Seikh Chiefs to the north-west o' K t urtaul. The Herat frontier had been the scene of hostilities bet Ween the troops of Mohamed Shah and the Persians, in which Mohamed was defeated, and totced to take refuge with the Vizier at Herat , . In general, the accounts that had been transmit ted froth Upper India represented affairs as by no means in a settled state, nor likely to be brought into it, without the aid and presence of a large military force. The accounts from Ceylon con tinued to be favourable. The troops !hal had volunteered ;heir services to that island front the Bengal army were nearly in a stare of readiness for embarkation, A letter, from the neighbour hood Jeypoor says, that the labours of cultiva tion ate proceeding with great activity through out a large track of fine country which had long lain waste. The people appear to be delighted with the peace and security , whieh they now enjoy, and express great gratitude to the Eng lUhl as the authors of these blessings. THEATRICAL REGISTER. Performed Last Night. THEATRE ROYAL, DNURY-LANE.—(diith time), Brutus: Lu cius Junius, Mr. Keau ; Tarquinia, Mrs. W. West. After which, Who's Who? THLATItE ROYAL, COVENT-GARDE'.---(6th time), The Mar rioge of Fig•aro: Fiorello, Mr. Durusct; Countess, Mrs. Diclious. Alter which, The Critic. PRICE oif STOCKS TRIM DAY AT TWELVE 0.C1..C11• 3 per Cent. Red. shut I Bank Loug Annuities..;;siott 3 per Cent. Cons.-- . 74A I i India Bonds, ifis. 21 . 275. pr. 31 per Cent ..... ........ shut I New Annuities 73i 4 per.Ccitts ....shut I Exch. 13.115, 2d.....65. 7:. dis. .5 per Ceut. N. Anu......104A,1 Cons. for Account. - 4011 .E EYTON, Stock-Bruht'r, Oiti State Lottery -o;lice, 2 2 Cornhill, arid Loinhatil-street. MAILS. AuntyEn-1 Waterford, 1 Guernsey and Jersey, I Holland. DUE-1 Guernsey and Jersey, 2 Sweden, 2 Hamburg!), I Holland, I Malta. 111011 WATER AT LONDON BRD)GE TO•NIORRO Murliimg, 9 minutes atter I Evening, 34 minutes atter 2. THE SUN. SOLEAI QUIS DICERF. FAI,SUM AUDEAT ? LONDON , WEDNESDAY, MARCH 24, ISI 9. We received this morning the Paris Papers of Sunday The following are extracts : CEIAMBER OF PEERS. " SITTING OF SATURDAY, MARCH 20. " The Chamber met by special summons to► receive a report on the Sinking Fund. " Tt►ree Peers, nat►tely, the Duke de Moue l.y, who Ii di succeeded his lather, the Lite Prince de Poix, and two new ones, viz, the Count de Mon te,,quiou and the Count de Laville Gunthier, took their seats. " The Titles of three other new Peers, viz.— the Marquess d'Atragon, the Baron Dubreton, and the CGunt Maurice iNiathien, wer!z—verified.— Adjourucd till Ttletday. " CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES. " The Aiinisser of Finance presented the Budget of IVays and Means for 1819, viz.:-- FRANC 9. Direct Taxes Domains, Registration, Stamps, &c. 163,505,000 Forests 17,600,000 Customs • ....113,013,000 Indirect Taxes Post-Office Lottery 12,500,000 ,Salt •Rentes in possession of the Treasury 5,180,000_ Deductions from Salaries, and Allowances 11,200,000 889,4 I 0,000 Dedact for Interest of Consolidated Debt and Sinking Fund 232,000,000 Remains for other Services. 657 ,2 I 0,000 " Not wishing to dispose of the 5,180,000 rentes, representing 72,200,000 of Capital Celt out of 24,000,000 rentes appropriated for the win. contribution), the Minister proposes to issue bons to the amount of 48,000,000, secured on the rentes, to mike good deficiencies, which 43,000,000, with 137,500,000 arrears, will very nearly make up the whole deficiency, amounting to 156,328,000. " The projet was ordered to .be printed and distrihnted, "The Chamber having resolved itself into a Secret Committee, the discussion was opened on the Resolution of the Chamber of Peers respect ing the Election Law. The Resolution was op posed by MM. Alartin de Gray and Bain, and snpported by the Count de la Bourdonnaye, and M. de Villele. " Some assertions made by M. de Vi&le re specting alleged irregularities at the late elec tions drew forth an .answer from M. de Saint Aulaire, a reply was made by M. de Vdlele, and a short deftate took place, in which M. Guithem spoke amidst much disordtr. " It being half-past five, the discussion was adjourned till Monday. " PARIS, lliacti 2.l.—The King yesterday transacted business %vith the Mininer for Foreign Affairs. The introduction of• the Persian Ambassador did not take place, on account of some d'fliculties arising from considerations of etiquette. It is said, that a new Concordat with tile rope =viii very goon be plbtisb c.;!, whtt.l3 contain several modifications of that couclude4. two years ago. " All the intelligence from Nismes confirms tilt assurance that tranquillity is entirely le•gs ta ‘ blished thrre. FIVE PER CENTS. Shut price ,•• • •• ...:68 f. Zo e. 'Saturday, Ex. Div • • • •....66 f. 45 C. DrIFERRED STOCK. Of the 22d March, 1817,.... 83 f. sc• 22.1 Sept. ISI7, 2-2 , 1 Nlarcli, 1818, 7y f. SC. 22,1 Sept,. 1818, ..... 77 f. 0 C." We must again direct the attention dour gislators to the subject of THE INSOLVONI DEBTORS' ACT, and, however wise and learned they may be, we may fairly venture to say, that they might have derived many important sug .. gestions, from the several intelligent Corre s P °" dents who have most ably discussed the question, through the medium of our Paper, and "'l'° ° future communications also, we doubt o°(' will afford them lunch valuable information? In this trading Country no domestic topic is interesting and important, and we again stiggthe propriety of embodying in one publication 0" the admirable letters which our Paper ha s eoll' es . c , tained.—th is Count ryis t be favouri!e abode °lFee , e l: tres se dom, and the power of imprisoning tire al's h and thereby inflicting upon misfortune the L e ff: ment due only to dishonesty, ought n ot t° be in the bands of artful, rapacious and ntercileo Creditors. There is somehing whimsica l i 3 tb : proposal suggested this day by our Corror uc n CLEMENS (to whom we are indebted for w an .3 ' . valuable favours), but it is nevertheless too in good sense, jnstice, and humanity. • I.9ED ‘IDMOUTtI.—WC are glad to Iea. IOC " r this Noblemaii is so much recovered t o -day °9 to afford hope that he will be able to leave [SI b°6l° towards the cud of the week. lq CORN.EXCLLANGR, MARCH 24.---The" °" r tv rivals we have had since Monday v" re 3 samples from Shtio;k, and there be'' b ut ' e l _ buyers at market, the Wheat trade %cos " c" ,... ingly heavy, and none could he dkposed u f ' e i - 60 ccpt those of the first qualities. BaireY 13 ti , e . Is. per quacter lower ; there being scarce oily maw!, was dull sale at that reduction• Peas, and Beans, there is no alteration. APrilciAcmixc ROYAL Accouc . oiotis cradles have already arrived here B laud, R ; Di3oG t itE o . r t ir l : le hes C: lo :;; ; !ted rouchement of (heir B li n igline 3 s es the I)tiehesses of CLAI2SNCS and c,.Ap,„Nsi, Ma p rc E l : T 1 H 2 --The Evening Post of Saturday s,tvs :---" 11 is ;i vii extreme regret :ye announce the death Of the - 1 1) . AltisTaGua IATHEW, Representative Pi" 1 1 . 4 ,1 I , ll . etit fur the County of Tipperary. The G t ' ll : e st tied yesterday morning at Castle Fog Y' )0F GE:(01:erAlopte::::telill:h:e:rc.e1:::"(11nover, Thurles." Letters from Cadiz to Ist, ant) from to the 9th instant, have been received. It ' 9 -1 1, 9 (1 tinned in them, that the Spanish mere to t he agreed to pay a certain amount a nntial l Y i I „ties• u overnment for the repeal of the increasell„. iong Yesterday the Lottc, Ctrolcut.Loit c on audience of the PRINCE E;EST °t. II wise. had audi en ces CASTLEREAGI-1 WO Co"n t ' 1 The Dui:7 s at); the yor,IKIE visitedGL N-r ve t isitecri(li32,o'.vr. yes' ter clay. ri la' i ae l sferday the Duke of YORK, as COlllllll-1(ose Gulii. i;ef, held a Levee at his Office in tile - t s. i 0 01 G Yesterday evening the Duke and Dil c.le 'itti LottCF:STHR honoured Drury-Lane Til e3-ie '1 t their presence. lior . The Archbishop of JERUSALEM Sat for cl a 5 101 time on Monday night in the Strallgers ''i al ( v . of the House of Commons. lie was theft „ ."Ir er' (laced by Mr. M A:l3'lN, of Galway, with t.)-1;or, t i u y ission of the SkRAK ER, to a seat r i;eloW Ille r °' , ,c to e •as clad in Otiental larm.e m o o - costume, and / of v heard. i t r i t , : ,, t il_ e_ ri k A i I s e .c .f i l e .. ) :::l i :['.:r:gliziteteirts Mari yesterday : I , Y g . C.:e i 9 i i i . t e t:i t s:l l l l: i c v. . ) e O i a l a i e t i , c e s :: l „ , :iY i c , , ii ivi sisi e eo : l , -( 1 1 :: o t y i t f : c s li t t p e b i l 'e . t t r l:: ) y ; : l ) ll- s 'e e c hel d lAc o i t iNal a i : 2- t c t2s t t 'l i l t :e i( Nl , l l ls :l l, l ' vl k i e rt lA. i s a ' n n'l' i t t ili a de l lrl : .:llll3s c, (iteble i , (l:9 l 7 slut; House, the Lotto MA" vo in th e -Il i air' I'l - measure of retn O v r a r ; Rli f 'i ri " : lll" ' tbae h is' l tile):lll or the City of London to F,„ 1 „ - ,i /n r; Intr t i :;hair o *tugs of the CoroMissiouers of I.tankroP• " e ßese not room for any detail of the )ri)ceedttigs ; t he littions, and a Petition to Parliament against measure, were a gre e d ( woo. We n t An ct B-E • ' 1 " .CU rION.— f.l.s morning ,Edaard ~u.,10 JO/1 Pt ~idams, for uttering r or ,ed Dot" ; " /1- 1L10( and John Willel, c 5, Lynch, for highway robbery, s h ee p-stealing, were, porso:tit toA heir sentenc e• executed in hoot of the Debtors' door , N ewga' i• They condocted themselves with a degree 0! P er) ieuce suitnble to their unhappy situatio n . f •eell ALARMING Full lt.—Yest erti.y m ornin "g, b e- ‘ c i t e :,(1 two anti three o'clock. an 1413rouog fire br °k 3 on the extensive premises o f Messrs. I.3rwv“,,titi, Dickenson, mooting el,„i„ onoitiftictorers, l' 'e , vioth l wall, Poplar,. which raged, with great ith and destroyed the tvlrote of the pre diCsesp wio Pvi"g•house, implements, &c. On the '111.1,0' w of engines and a good so pply of wafer, 141 ,„,0). thischicf was prevented. W e could oat ''.` how it originated. C, i N Co i„ a a ‘', .