The Sun. — London, England, 1816-05-29 00:00:00

Net: lie stip i Po'rtthe*otiori, -Ds Iteing a step.in i the progress Of the desitable end. The ilifprunrOonmight he useful to the public. Lord L'it'ti,';'Ltate.Asts thrrugll it well for, trs ; le . inf . -in - 11,rd of the practices Avhich other, nitioris 'had adopted, as it wool(' hew what vas the in . fr3`irii(l practice of all the States iii Ets tope, respecting. the liberties enjoyed by Catholics, 'without prejudice to the Governments under witieh they lista. The head of their Church wits. of' necessity, a Foreign Power, and it wasmeceosary, therefore, to prevent the See of Rome from glum; :ileyond the boundaries which the safety of other States requited. One of the errors that hung About t his question was, that many persons 'seemed to think that every step that WA, taken in it , as pleasure of legislation, was a matter of suspicion, and it was not looked upon as the proteediag of cnmuson precaution, which had been found neces tary in all times. He thought the present question embraced a nii.st interesting inquiry, * because' our former policy had, by the course of events, been turned aside. He considered the Catholics to be interested its the good go vernment of these reabl” WEIS nut con— sistent that any foreign power should have an unrestricted intercourse with the civil policy (if these realms It wls rS strange anomaly, that all other countries in the iemil nod tvight, that by being placed under regulations, the Catholics were safe. After the ItefoAnation we had endeavour ed to destroy the. Catholic religion altogether ; tutu the Act of 13th Eliz. wits founded on the sioppositiow th it that religion was not to be. tole rated in these realms ; but by the liberalized :Is- Item of the WOllll 'since that period, it was, known rim t he Catholic religion, thoos. ; 11 not tolerated in. tlOs con ,, try, had beets exercised as freely as ally part of "'Amite. The language of cer tain 'atholic Prelates was that of passion ra ther t!tin reason, and was unworthy of them; tor tiey must know that we were watch ing o'er their « worship, its 'freely as over our own ; but they would know t hei'rown Government better mien they saw, that so far Irom'wishing to interrupt - them. it wished to encourage them. lie orry - to say that it was not in Ireland the • Catholierelivm was professed with Most libera lity,. There was there more of the ultra-montane principle in it titan in 'other countries. On the wit ste, trusting that nothing could grow Out 'of th , s! Committee proposed that could -give pain to' any man's mind, hut that its inquirieS Worthd enable them to look fairly at whist bad passed its Europe upon the subject, the should sopport the 'n Sr J. NEWPORT supported the motion, from the con% iction Ow it would dispose the country to the more favourable reception of the measure, ! , -td to a community of pi ieileges. The.tegtii,►- tioa to w,hich the Noble Lord had alluded at tor t►ter periods, hod proved, by the experience of tine, to h. grossly fallacious and unjust. 54 J. C. 1.1 tertst.ltY' briefly replied. He begged to be tintler'stood as having ni.tved the question distinctly us a Pro►estant U10t101), in order to re concile the ill1011)xliCS concerning the Acts of ',Co. leratiou. The question %v as then put and carried ‘vithout a division, antl a Committee of twenty one ap pointed accordingly, PRESENT St T& OF THE POOR LAWS. Mr. Cotiwei4 called the attention of the House to want he thought One of the incise important tries. tious that affected the agriculture anti iod af .try o f th,: whole country. Jr related to an expellee of 8(1 noll.oes 011atially. • He opiilogized to the Utilise for tikitie tip the question. which might have been so, mach !Jetta handled' by abler Gentlemen. It was known that numerous Scotch and had for years been in the habit of coming into the northern coomict,, in hopes of employmen - , and had become settled there after a residence of 40 days. This was according to the law, ,and was a question of great national import. There was scarcely onctif the Petitiolts that laid on the table but complained of the great burthen .of the poor laws. He intended to move fora Committee, which lie would wish to be composed of men emineot for their knowledge of the subject, who would no doubt suggest the merle:sof checking the fatal effectsof the 43d of Elizabeth, The . lioilourable Gentleman then took a view of the great efforts made ninny years ago by two gentlemen, Messrs. Gilbert and . Esitenit, to remedy the evil, bet whose efforts failed entirely. Mr. Pitt had followed in the same course, and his also failing was no imputa• citation his great abilities. He was so sensible of the inadequacy of his Bill, that he (Mr. C.) bee : beved it never went into a Committee. After. wards, though Mr. Whitbread failed o n the same subject, he had lett his recorded opinion, that the evils which depended on the Poor Laws were ,greater than tense of the laws themselves, and 'that the system mallet be radically altered. lie /Oven ed to the 'opinions at Sir W. Pulteney and others who bath given their .attention to the sub ject, and with whom he fully agrted that the mighty subject must be undermined, and by tip. plying something in its place„seffer it gradually to decay. He then stated the different suggestions prof used by ,those individuals. He would not 'only rely upon any system, however specious it might be, without substituting something that might ; be egad for the comforts end' ad. vantages of the people at .large. The means of support cuss the natural inhet itance of every roan who was horn, and it must be demon. amted that what was to be done would he more efheient than the present regulations.. But lie felt it woold be "proved, that the present system of Pone Laws were destructive of the happiness of those whose comforts they were intended to pro. Ought three millions of Englishmen to be left in the degraded state of pauperisin, depriving !hem of their iodepetidence, which the Constitu 'Lion accorded them, and reducing them to the State of the slaVe .of despotism? The roars' Rates 'were every day presiing down the middle classes to thestate-of - pentPers themselves. Revert - pig to the first syiteni of the PoOr Laws, in the Ittne . of alenriVll.l whiCh was caused by the ab o l it i on 411 The mnithilerks, by which the Poor were sup. Ported, he obgerved, that the state of the coon , . trY fries then so dreadful, that h was necessary the " 11 *, the /<<t, awl the blind, should be kept front 4t hrving. iiorths support of these, the system,w as tnigh‘ated. the short space of bfl years, from 14 e Ist of Edward VI. the rates had amounted frail) 16,0461. to t o'itt . cifftl 1; 1 n' so m nfril,oool. C.ll ill the time . of %I illiltm and it .• !ICC. -sari" to font) II law, to brand witipt .1h t, orderindiseuttrage idreness, „The in cl•c'H4!' of I 11‘1101111t, i ithttl th last fivetr. 51Y , • vetti.,Ntic no great, that it ittul noir orytvrtl at the niarmin! , : sprn of tine-ei s q,ltt part cf the uitifile income of the e9Untry . ., Traring the causes of pauperism down to the preset)! period, t he attri 7 hilted them to the great aerninuldtintf of petsnos in manufacturing tOwns, where they had high waxes, and by whitli they acquired habits whish moderate wages could not supply. IVirent liNown oat of work, the numbers who applied f . fr p ß ro t . cilia' relief w ere such am proved them destitute of all shame and feeling, for they found rylitfi en t. , ty whatever in thus degrading themselves . . .13e complained of the error of tnixn4t up wages with pours' rates by high rates and low tcege3. This was as degrading, as the badges of the time of ~t T lt• Liam an;l Mary. Jt had caused whore tours and vir loges to be pauperised. It engenderedasaVage pr in;. , elide of 3el tishness , crea tiug hatred among the lower orders against their superiors, as they bad no proi• pect but of ending their lives in a workhouse; when once they were reduced to go into it. He mi.- tewled that no person could claim a right to any such relief, till he had proved he had done.all in his power to present the calamity. There las no 'period at which the subject could be undertaken with so much propriety as at present. Alludinq to the next revolutions on the moral state of So oiety, by the systems of general Ethicfoien; be trusted that the grand effect would be, that in twenty years hence there would be no person ire ignor a nt as to be uninformed of his ditty to GOd and man . The Poors' Laws bad kl bat! efleet ou the.. higher as well itS the lower classes, byrendering the former CellloO3 to distress, because it was known that the poor:most he provided for. He Contrasted the difference of general benevo!ence in 11;o4.1antl . with that in lrelatid and Scotland, where, it Mr Your Laws prevailed,.. the same edicts woillab ave ensued. In one parish rt Dumfriesshire, Where a large sum, upwards of 30001. had been left, the interest of which was to have been given to the poor, there was nothing to be seen but the . mi. eery of pauperism ; while in•an adjoining parish, where every man was obliged to live by his own labour; only three papers were to be found.— What he should propose would be to cause every parish and all classes to', subscribe towards a Nat- 6 . 61,41 Bank, in the propOrtion of ime•thirtieth of every man's income, which, from the working classes alone, in die proportion of 4d. out of I Os. a week, would produce 4,800,0001. a year ; the higher classes should be required to pay 6d. in the pound out of their incomes, which would produce a total of 8,800,0001. per annum. A sum of this amount would prOduce inealcidable advantages, 'and would carry comfort into the habitation of every poor man, and secure him against the fear of being drugged from it for the rest of his life. • Jr would elevate the loWer ranks, give them con fidence in the discharge of their duties, and pro cure them the respect of society at large. After descanting at much ledgth on the exertions elf a Committee, and the beneficial influence which must arise front it, as preventing distress from all classes, including the Army and Navy, by small stoppages from thr;r pay, the Hon. Gentle man concluded' by moving, That a Select Com.. mittee be appointed to take into consideratiOn the state of the Poor Laws, and report their opinion to the house. Mr. Locx HART could not refrain 'from . returning his sincere thinks to the Hon. Member for the able light in which he' had placed the itnoortanc subject, that the real interests of. the .pour might be consulted, and that canker be destroyed which - had too long been preying on the vitals of- Ihe country, The evil was of longer standing than the 43d of Elizabeth. lie b.ieWed the causes which led to this Statute, and traced the had con tequences of those Which followed it. The object now in view was not to deprive the poor man of his iuberitence, but to render him more industrious and more independent in society. it wasillighly the duty of the House to take op the subject be.! fore it had gone too far, and thesdifferent classes. had pressed too much upoO one another. Atter many observations in favour of the inquiry, he conchtled wills hoping . that no time would be lost in an interference. Sir E. BRIeDGES expressed his hesitation in the advantage of taking up the subject its the way re commended!. He did not see the evils of the sys .tem in so alarming a light as it had been repre6 , segued ; hut he thought the difficulties that would arise from a system so novel as the proposed would •be insuperable. Whatever might be the result of the Committee, it most he a long time in arriving, which made him regret the necessity he had felt oimself under, its withdrawing the Bills he had proposed, that might have afforded at least a tem• porary remedy. The motion was then agreed to, and the Com mittee appointed. Mr. BKOUGHAVI alluded to a motion he had made for returns of Papers under the Property Tax ; he wished to know what was the cause - of the delay ? Mr. GUSHINGTON said he would inquire. The Order of the Day for the adjourned Debate on the Finance Resolutions was read, for the pm , . pose of postponing it till Friday. ALIEN J B ILL. On the question for the third rending of the Alien. Bill, Lord ALTROUPB objected to the Bill, on the ground that it was an exceptiou to the general rule of protection to Aliens, and that it went to put 20,000 persons nut of the pale of constitn tionahprotection. He contended that there was no danger from the revolutionary principles of any foreigners who might come to this country, and far less from those who had long resided, and formed connections in it. He proposed a clause +6 except from the operaticms of the Bill those persons he had last described, if resident in this country on or before the Ist of January 1816. He had no objection to date the clause later back, it it were congented to. Lprd CASTL,BREAGH objected to t,be clause, as tending most , particularly to Harrow the operations of the Bill, if any thing were to be introduced in the Bill to fritter clown its object, it would have been better not.to haite brought iL sir at WI. The ( 91,: s + i ttse trot:: i t _,eery far, to, render th s e,Bilt inn/rllolre. Itio1:1,e Lord,defende'd iit s4nne length ,the principles of the, 1141, on the same t.ntintls,fts he had urged its its previosp, staieS. 77 He could neither give its sanction to the, date, of exclusion propos ed by the Noble Lord, : or toanY other date.theitthe might proitnse.—(tlear,.lrear !) Sir A. IVII4,CkINTOAR strongly deprecated the Bill. It w , ts giving an absolute power. to Mini-' %tura - which ,pot then: above all bout raid. If the Ist of Jan. 1814,, were proposed iscitead of 1816, it would annihilate all that the Noble Lord `(Cas tlereagh) had Said, as he could nut contend, that the country was at that overrun by cite . partizans of Boonaparte. .The Bill was a libel upon s the ancient policy of the Kingdom, a% Icing and George 1. were hilly satisfied with that tetn poiary allegiance which was now thotight insuf ficient for our security, by the proposers of the tneashre. , The SOL ictsrott•Cit4EitAt. objected to the clause, on the Larne g'rounds as those urged by Lord Castlereagh.. „The main object .Of the Bill was to give Government the power of sending foreigners out of the country,, ,wll6, being here, might be employed as mischievous agents, however long they, Might haVe resided here. The honest alien Merchant and artizan had no reason not to believe himself as _safe with an Alien Bill on the Statute Book as he would be Without it.—(Heat, hear, hear! ) . —The clause,' paralyzed the,Bill as an object of safety, and it would be better to throw the Bill out than to insert it. Sir JOHN New . poitT supported the cmose. He repeated what had been said on the difficulty of obtaining %tin dlilation Acts, which depended on the fiat of the Secretary of state. The 'principle Of the 1311 was to make the words of the POet li tetally true " Divisos cube Lord lltt:koN said, the argument of the Noble Lord would equally apply to the Suspension of the ilabeas Corpus Act.—(Hear ! from the Op position.)-11 the policy of this country had been regulated according to the principle of this MIL the country would never have enjoyed the benefit , of the talents and virtues of the many foreigners who had settled among us, Mr. H. ADDINGToN said that he had made it his duty to inquire into the circumstances respecting the refusal of a certificate by the Secretary of State, in a ease in which one had been applied for with the view orhasing a respectable foreigner 'tutu tallied by Bill, = He found, from these inquiries, that the tact was not that the certificate had been refused, but that a discouraging answer had been returned, because the case was one which interfeied with n rule which bad never been departed front in the Office for the Home De partment, and it was hoped that the wishes of the parties might be otherwise accomplished. Sir S. RomILLY rn,lintaitird, that in the case le ferred to by the last Speaker, there had been an ahsolute refusal of the certificate, therefore, al• t bough he entertained much respect for the Right Hon. Gentleman, he was constrained to say, lam he did not know what passed in his own ottiee,. (Hear, hear ! front the Opposition.)—As to the Bill he remarked, that it was extraordinary that it had been introduced into the House by the No. hie Lord, the Secretary of State for FLuvigit Af fairs, thus making it a theasitre of foreigu policy, whereas until this time the Alien Bill had always been introduced by some one connected with the of the Secretary of State for the dome De partment. Mr. H. ADDINGTON in explanation, peremp torily re-asserted, that the Certificate of Natural izution had :not been refused, on the authority of his Noble Relation, himself, who no Gentleman would suppose capable of misinforming him. On its being found that no other person would accept the Trusteeship, on which suc4 immense property depended, the Certificate was ordered to be grant ed, and on the very day on which the Learned Gentlernou had mentioned the subject.. to the House., Mr. W. 'WYNNE considered that it wadi be a most disgracefill thing to this country, if an alien, who had peaceably remained its the kingdom for ritY years, was starred to he turned out at the whim of the Secretary of State, without trial, and without appeal.. Lord I.T.HORPS said, that he had altered the clause he Ilan iimveJ front Ist Jannary, , 181 6, to Ist January, 1813, in the hope that the objection might be removed: The House then divided Fur the Chase ' Aviinst it 74 111:1jority —43 At the suggestion 'the PoNsortaY, the inr- ther proceedings on the third reading ot the Bill were postponed till Thursday next. The other Orders of the Day. were then dispoSed of, and the House, at Twelve:o'Clock, adjourned till Thursday next. To-morrow Morning at Nine O'Clock the State Lottery begins tba wing, being the third and last Day, when the largest Suns that was ever obtain able in any Lottery by a single Ticket, may fall to some favuarite of Fortune (Sixty Thonsand Pounds), for such will be the case, should the First Drawn, Prize above 25/. be .30,0001. as it will then doilble its amount, and be entitled to another Prize of the same magoitude ; the odds against this event are hut trifling, and ive under stand that various bets have been laid determin owe upon it. Ai an Opportunity of gaining by ONE TICKET SIXTY THOUSAND POUND% iii . Money' may not again Occur, Wisatt's Oces, 8, Col-101;1i , butt 17, Ludgate-street, will remain open until Eleven o'clocit to-night, tind while a Ticket Or Share can be immured they may be purchased at : either of the above Offices. The Wheel goes Iritual at Nine To-Morrow Morning. The eeitaTt y of the First Drawn above '2sl.'being entitled to one of the 30,0001, Vrats, and the probability Of its g a ining sofa, has created an extraordinary in leo:sr in the D.y's Drawing; and that thee Two, Grand POICti sold by WEB'S has been Inv,. dictc4 by many persons, who consider the sale of I\9. 3134, a lei ize of:50900. on Wedtiestior last . at his Offices, as the precursor at greater gond tot-• wile which avviiitis thOsit who woke . theit ino chases therein theentirse,of This Day. TUE PITT MB. AN \IVERSARY cELEBRATioNOF thy' • THE Riburr HON. WILLIAM 1)111. . On• Monday we inserted a long account of TestiVal deeply interesting to the natives of one portion Of , our Wand, and to-day it it our pleas ing cily to record the proceedings of another Aluetitrg,nOt•merely interesting to 4 part, but of utmost importance to the whole,Britnkh Even NVithont our title; it would be undeL, stood, that we speak 'Ot the Anniversary of The Pitt Club. . , On the 'subject of this meeting it might hr thought that Eulogy was exhausted, and so it would be, were it any other than what it is. But the theme of the praise of WI'LLIAM PITT is in. endless theMC, as the iidmiretion of his talents is boundless, and the adoration of his virtues iai mortal. Every change in the aspect of Europe: displays in a new light the Saviour of his Country . , • , and of the world. In the Struggle of War We hail his intrepedity, his energy, his decision, his per severance, his inflexible determination to con quer—in the repose of Peace see reflect on his firmnesi, his wisdom, his talc - tits, his transcendan: genius, his incorruptible integrity. If the .torits he approaching when we assemble to commemo rite him, we look with confidence to his sUcces tors, bicause they • were formed and. act opost his principles ; if the tempest be pest, we ti t tig. 'went the grateful remembrance of his n true, by ascrilsing its happy close to the system which lie called into action, and established as the immove able rule of Brittili Governance. Thus, antler what ever circumitatices the Nation is placed, whichever way we turn our eyes, the memory of the Patriot Minister strikes with added force Upon our Minds, and we 'pay with enthusiastic affection the tribitto so justly due to The Statesman 'unbiassed by interest or later, ; 11'y 'power uncorrupted, untainted by g';osl. 'rime company at d o wn trm dinner 'sborily after six. When the . cloth was removed, '' NO4Nobis DOMine" was called for and ' lit rig in exeeli,iait style by Messrs. Hswes, LEETR,r%Vt.OII, EVANS. BELIAYIY. BROADHUitSr. Goss, Matter TVRE.E.'„ &c, The following toasts, 'sOngs, glees-y &C. toles lowed, in the Order in which they stand 1. The King—with Iliac times three. Song, owl full Churn —,* (IA save the King." 2. The I' ince Reeiot—three time" throe. Give*" Star of Branswick: a.. The Quveo-rthree times three. • Gice•—•" Mita tatter in this hind commenced." 4. The Oldie of York mead the othi:r briitiches of the Royal ramiN--three times three. nuet—'''err Arms." S. The Princess Charlotte of Wales itritl htle illustrinus Con sort the Punter axt .- -10httrg"llivte throe. New song—" Bark , hark, the nwrtialltumiiett somi.l!" The CHAIRMAN, in rising to prOpose it tokast; sacred to the clay, recalled to shear uletworY the peculiar circumstances under whit is they had insl. to celebrate she birth of Mr. Pitt last 'year. llw took a rapid view of the events which had imme diately preceded that festival, and of those whicit followed close upon it, and which hod terminate:) `in the splendid ant! unparalleled' victory of %Va. terloo. On that victory it would be needless awl impertinent for him toilwell, as the circumstance% of it, as well as its consequences, were too !resit in the recollection of all present to make it neces. sary for him to recall them. There was ouly thing to he regretted, namely, that Mr. Pitt 11 . 4(1 UOI lived to witness time complete success %yids which. all his deep-laid, plans (which had cost bins many a sleepless night, and many an an xious day, shattered his constitution, and pre maturely terminated his existence) had been finally carried into effect.- 7 (Applause.)-.._i ter the •victory had been gained, those principle 4 which had eves been the object of Mr. Pitt, 113 d not been forgotten. That moderation, per severance, and disimerestedness, for which list was ever an advocate,. had distinguished the con duct of his successors, and though the English en.. Wed Paris , as conquerors, - and might, ,according to time modem usages , of war, have 'visited thts, haughty fde, against whom they lied so long con-. feuded, with severe retaliation; instead of acting- Sticb a part, they bad abstained frotri ail ae(ta or violence or revenge, and preyed that the war its which this country had taken a part was nut atvar of spoliation or conquest; abut one merely 11 , 3gett in self-defence. All that we had clone teas to re store to their right owners those spoils which the French boasted, anti so' unjustly ['Misted, they had taken front all whet. countries. We hail not claimed a single thing for ourselves, andprivate property ha's! been so Strictly respected, that thote who bad mily knot n our troops as enemies would.: long remember the British name with gratitode. - What might .he the future state of litirope,it was impossible for any man' to say, but of this he Was certain, the assembly he had time honour to dress wliuld be decid edly of opiniort with him, that in prosperity orin adversi.y, the wisest course they could ptirmte Won'tl be imi,lalicirty a rid reli giously to adhere to the prineiples'of 'Mr. Pitt.— He now proposed to drink "" The immortal Me !nary of the late Right Hon Mr. Pitt. - This toast was drank with enthusiasm. The next toasts were, " The Array and -N av y. of thp United Inogdont," " 'rise House of Bruns. wick," and '' The Protestant Aseendaney; - - l'hete were received with shouts of - applause ; awl time g l ee o f s. The King and the Church" called. forth all the' cum totuaty demonstrations of bigb, satisfaction. The CHAlthdAi`; rose to prorse as a -toast, "The Prince Regent's Ministet b." tie wars sure that .Assembly wottul not fail to tin honour io this t - vhkit referred to those who had raiseil. their country to it hig,her pitch of. 'glory Oats it had cver atiniiivrt hetore. He was charged With< etiologies for the atisvnve of two of Liverpoot was livyi,enivci 11" , .)10 attniiiiing by ill health and he had rece.ved a letter !LOW