The Sun. — London, England, 1841-02-26 00:00:00

E VENT N( ED ITION. The small tunnel in Middle-hill and the adjoining cuttings are nearly finished. Upon the remainder of the line, from the Box Tunnel to Wootton Basset inclusive, all the works are heavy, but fortu nately not attended with any great difficulty of construction. The Wootton Basset, or No. 7 (C. ) contract, is nearly completed. ( lthe great embankment, containing about half a million cube yards, about 25,000 yards only remain to be finished. Upon the next contract the principal embankment is still nearer completion, from 5,000 to 6,000 yards only being want ing. On the next contract, No. 5 (C.), the works are also nearly finished. and on both contracts a considerable portion is ballasted. and the laying of the permanent way is commenced. The 1 ridge over the Avon will be completed in a very short time, the late frosts, &c., having delayed it. • Upon the two next contracts extending to Chippenham, the principal work remaining to be done consists of the burning and spreading the ballast preparwory to laying the pavement way. The works between Chippenham and the Box Tunnel, which ivegenerally been considered as likely to be the latest, are n in such a state that by proper exertion, their completion w.thin the time required may be ensured; this exertion shall not be wanting on my part. The Box Tunnel itself will be completed and open through out, from the Western Face to the Shaft No.. 8, which has always lem considered as the Eastern extremity, during the next month ; and if the while Tunnel cannot be then said to b }hushed, it is only because the Eastern ead, which is en tirely in rock, and belonging more properly to the Contract last referred to, of No. 1 ( C), has been extended a few yards in . order to diminish the quantity of excavation required in the open cutting. The permanent way in the Tunnel will also shortly be commenced. The accouvt I have above given of the advanced state of the works wial,'•l trust, prove satisfactory. Such exertiel. i as were required to hasten the successive openin; to f;te•.t.uton, to Farringdrin-road, • and to Wootton Basset, and '-Cie arrangements consequent upon each partial opening, are at all times attended with serious expenses, and it is a source of great satisfaction to me, that only one more opening is to take place. I have endeavoured to ascertain the increased cost thus incurred, but 1 have been unable tie do so with suffivie it tuscuracy to venture tipn an estimate, and as the period is so fast approaching, ashen the actual outlay upon each contract can be posi.ively ascertained and dissected, I trust that any a-aterneut which could not be accurately de- . pended up3n, will not be expected of me at thz present time. • Upon the wito:a. I have reason to hope that the means which have been adopted for the purpose of thus advancing the works, wi'l not prove more expensive than was anticipated by those who urged their adoption ; that the additional expense will have lie, ii usefully incurred ; and that before our next balf-yearty meeting we shall have reaped the benefit of this expenditure, when the whole line from London to Bristol, and Bridgewa!er towards the South-west, and' front London to Swindon and Cirencester towards Cheltenham, will be in full operation I am, Gentlemen, your obedient servant, I. K. BRUNEL. MONEY MA RK ET and CITY NE WS FROM THE MnRNING PhPF.R4 OF TITVIDAT. POST. —A failure of some magnitude, in the Jewish con coction, was made known in the course cf the morning. The oki and respectable.firm of Montefiore, Brothers, has, it ap years, been reduced to the necea.ity of suspending its payments. I'he cause assigned for the occurrence is principally this : Messrs. Montetiore were in correspondence with several large houses in Australasia, for whom they mere in the habit of making advances in anticipation 'of promised shipments cf goods. Their accommodation in this way wouln seem to have been carried to an extent not altogether to be justified. They ha I, towards the c10..e of the. past year, come under acceptance to an amount - for which they found them selves incapable of making the requisite provision. An appeal was made on the occasion to the friends of the house, when, such was the' confidence entertained of its ultimate resources, that the sum of twenty thousand pounds was raised among them to enable it to meet its engagements. The Australasian firms have unquestionably acted with gross bad faith toward; Messrs. Montefiore. From all that we can hear upon the aab]ect, and we believe the facts that have been placed be lore us may be fully depended upon as authentic, , the pledges made by them with regard to the consign ments upon wh ch former drafts were founded, were never made good. , The property did not come for ward at all, , nor d'd the breaches • of contract that were operating so injuriously to the credit of Messrs. Montefiore end here. Toe same system of deception was persevered in by the Australasian firms. Promises of cargoes of valuable produce were again freely given as an inducement to Messrs. Montefiore to honour some further amount of bills passed upon them, but these promises, like those that had preceded them, remain unfulfilled to the present hour, and hence the embarrassments now for the second time experi enced. No hint has reached us of the probab:e amount of the liabilities of the concern. It is, however, assumed to be pretty large. Messrs. Montefiore have issued a circular expressing their sleep regret at the circumstance of their being, for the mo ment, unprepared to answer all just claims upon them ; but, on the other hand, holding out the hope that their difficulties mac prove but temporary, and speaking with the fullest confi dence in the sufficiency of their assets, if time be only given for their realisation. A meeting is called of their creditors for an early day. The stoppage of this firm is understood to have been accele rated by the refusal on the part of the Australasian Bank any longer to afford it the' support, in the way ondiseounts and otherwise, which it had done for years past, and upon a conti nuance of which they had naturally calculated. TINIES.—A city failure of some importance—viz., that of Messrs. Monteficre, Brothers, has occurresi this morning. As the hous.3 was believed to have been a very prosperous one, and to have made large profits within these few years, the event has caused much surprise, but it is exp!ained by the fact of large draughts upon them having been made for which they were wholly unprepared by previous. notice. It is believed, therefore, that at a meeting of the creditors, which has beer erimmoned fir next week, some arrangement f a nature to sa t.sfv th-ni will be entered into. This belief is strengthened by - Ilse knowledge of the wealthy connexions of the house, who have expressed their willingness to afford assistance on this oc casion. These, at least, are circumstances generally stated on 'Change to-c'ety. The principal business of the house was with Sy. ney, New Saudi Wales, and en a very large scale. Ihe notice by the Bank does not differ from the last notice of the kind, and is only liable, therefore, to the objection which must always attach to it as a banking operation, that it is much metre calculated to assist in stock-jobbing than in comme cial objects. _ _ _ The settlement of the account in Consols, which took place to-day has been unatteni'ed with any important results, though the fluctuations during its progress have not been inconside rable. The fall was abput 2i per cent.; reckoning the ex treme prices, being from 90* to 88, and the chief exciting cause was the affair of Mr. M‘Leod on the Canada frontier ; beside which, the market has been more or less during the whole time under the influence of parties making preparation for the contingency of a new French loan, which required them to keep their resources mainly at their dt posal. Latterly the same parties have reversed their opera tions, under the persuasion that the negotiation of that loan would be d ferred for some Months, and their purchases, matte in consequence, occurring at the time who. the American question most agitated the market, contributed mainly to the tally which then took place. This is designated by the job bers as a " account, but.it- is likely that the balance of the time bargains is not large either way, es the market as sumed rather increased firmness at the clone of business. SUN.—The settlemer.t of the Account in Consols was effected with comparative case, although the fitufluatien, while it lasted, was from 88 to 901. The Bank Notice, being in no respect disci ilar fom ti.e last, produced no ps,rtieular (fleet upon the Market, which, however, a. its dose, was certainly firmer than in the nu ruin;:. Fur ire mediate transfor Consols were quoted 889 to 88, and for T.me 89 t) S. ExeV , equer B.lls were sto 7 premium, and India B m. 41 at 15 discount. Bank Stec:k was rct dells. in, and Ea .t Ind, Stock was firm at 218. The TC:w Thee-ane-a..11.11f per Cen)s. brought 974 t and Three ter Cent 3. 69LL to 88i. The. Fore i s) . " Seem i ies cete only dealt in to a limitad extent, and the klteiation in prite3 was not rnat.rid.. Spanish Active Bond. 1 r iught 21• to 23i, Portueuese New Five per Cent'. 31, and the Thies per Cent , . - 10.-}, tie Litter I.e7ng very dial. •Bre.zil Bonds realized 711,iChi!ia, tit, and Mexican 27 ; Fieneh Five ter Ce..tr. were at 112; the Four..and-r-1141 [cc Cents. at In, and tie Datcli 'rwo-sne.- - .)-11alf per Cents. et 50e, to 50. l'i.ere was nr:re business doing in the Railway Shares to day, and in some instances a! rather improved quotiVons. Crest Wertcro at 24i to 25. the New 11 to 121, die Filihs 5 to 4i, and Vie Linden and ilirmingbarn 79 to premium, cx divi(lead. i„;hton Shires were tt.e Ehtektv.ll 5, the . Nt.r.n Mini Ind 961. an d the New 3, 1 ; disettun'. Coloni a l B an k Shares %vete 11 to 14, „scrotum, and P.ovincid Bank a Ire!and, 188 prem. ARMY AND NAVY.—TIie March Numbcr c 1 the United Serrice Journal, _ and Nava! ala Mili'ar q har impa,t Lilt papeeti—The A n ic r i i , , i iii iii. ziat‘ cmart)io: :l l lo ::k l i r : its, a ic 7 7......a m i r r , b i teel l p ille r u a rit c t. t i :_i s c ch ul ,) l , ( ,t ri on ii. , h ,,,, a e P o i , a , :i i_ ) W.lkii--Eng. dervi4 a : Alilitt rt , Narrauve cf Lieu.. land's Wooden his jCaoture and Imprisonment Walll3:s;t9i'he S-t,ille Free. j. " it '' , R; M., of ffos of the Alva.ture and by the C 4 rbsts—Vor _ , Nn. WHO' Elys. by Jora:lian B ! r i gir—T e q Alidr' Na 'S Pe :s on n 1 Adveltures and Lines on the FC:%!?cuarnskio.n,l77,-.b.cgo.rZ.a', A ci i i,. g sia, and Russia, by Lieut.- Col: G. r'oulett Cameron, . K. T. S., Q & . c .. ...-- .... 14,,viaatior_ Las of H.M.S. Fairy—Narces or, Our Naval Preparations--Stations 4 the , °^ ' ' "I" British Army and IZ , qal Navy in Commission 00 Ist of ili,venee of the &c.—Nkith ill t: c Natal and Military Int, „ ,Mareb, 1841, 7 EDIT ED By T :IEODORF . HOOK, 1 ---,:n—The A March Nurnbc:r (if Call Monthly Magazi r.o an d uirrei " Neff. Humorist," c aL t a i ns— F At h ers an d Sons,by the Editar—Th e Friend in Ne d, al Extravaganza after Sterne, by Too ma; Flood, E,q.—Might against Right, a Romance of tl e ' Tr"i , by Ow Bon. E. Phipps—Maria Louisa as DueLe , s of Parma— Foreign Spotting, by liimrod—Morali Hod Manners of the 16:h and lith Cer,thriea—The Life and Adventures or Charles Chesterfield, the Youth of Genius, by hiri7. Trnlle—Pellcts for Prosers—A 10-Pacification, by Larnan Blanchard, Esq_A Win:, r and Summer in Canada, by .Freierick Tcnfrey, E., —The French Press -_Don't 3ou wish you may get i t ?—Literature of the Month, TUE BOOK WITHOUT A. NAME. --The work annnuneed as , " The Book Withiiut a Name," onsi- id by Sir c Ch r C. and I..:dy Morgan, h atrwady vxet.Kl i i i „.. 51 .1., ca d isitt. . We have heard it ii composed of ilioq antioi.ig ;I,: --iellei of sic e , y, front the f e ,0,i„, 41 .. eot.r ts .f M.ty Fair, to th ? equally extl.t : i ve c i rcles of the to.'e g r. at i e We . 1 1- i.tilica and tl e p.irts atlj ic ent, exli , rti .t. 1 iwir p evsilivg follies in a manner as faithful, ag enfrrtaitt'eg. and poortraying cett lin charac ters , ear _ pi i.. 0 Lot f :awe; i L eecii picture, with a mierablanre that unnaL t . ..it to th, rtac:iff recognigrd. 13.,i1ea wl.i*, v.e are to'.4 tiiese Ll-ver wri . ers hate treated a variely of wit r popular sullvets in the same pleasant style € : ""r., alitiquatianism, physic, and even sonic things apprr,ertly less available, are set u , by them ati targets et v,, , ...ich they direct the' of t) . . their nit so efizctually, arrows that the work i s ex pected -to be one of th:i most attractive or the :e tars. The Corporation the of Trinity House give a grand banquet te-morrow L Tower.hil, to his Royal e 11. vening, at Trinity Home, we tinders:am!, is to he carolled Prince Albert, 'who, of that Corporal i-m. The D cd uk a e s one of the elder brethren of W e lli ngton, 04 ma - tcr, will pre s id e , and among the who ei::e together, arc Viscount "b a, lemen and g entlemen Peol, Bprt., M. P.,- E ar l of illiato. ilcslb.ourne, Sir Robert Liar., M. P., Admiral Si r J. 13. ',VI . ir _James Graham, artio, Captain 13mdfaci, &c. E. C. NEWSPAPER STAMPS. Extract from a Return to an Order of the House of Commons, dated 2d February,lB4l, for the following London Papers, from the Ist of July to the 31st of December, 1840, inclusive : SUN GLOBE STANDA RD 505,000 COURIER 111,000 LUPE UAL PARLIAYIENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, FEB. 25. Their Lordships niet at Five o'Clock. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from Kin ross in favour of Frost, Williams, and Jones. HAND-LOOM WEAVERS. The NOBLE LORD wished to call the at!mAion of her Majesty's Ministers to a very important document on their Lordship: table the Re port of the Commissioners of Inqtn.y into the con dition of the hand-1 •om weavers. . He wished parti cularly to call_ their attention to that part "bf the Report which related to tie situation of the working classes. He believed that nothing would be dune on that important subject without a Commission of Inquiry. He was still of opinion that the Bill which he had brought in, within the last two or three years, would be sufficient for tie effectual remedy of the evils pointed out in that part of tht able report oti the table ; and be did net fear that inquiry would not lead to its adoption. But he would •now give no tice that if her Majet,)'s, Ministers did net take up the mue.er and bring in a Bill themselves, ar appo nt anotl.er Commissicn, he would, soon alter the E ester recess, submit to their Lordships a partial measure, selecting from his former Bill the• provision which would cuablo municipal corporations to provide, subject to proper regulations, for the education , of the people committed to tl eir care. Lord ASHBURTON moved for a messige to the Commons, for a copy of 'Vie Report of the Committee of that House last Session on the Import Duties, with a copy of the evidence taken before that Committee.— Ordered. The Marquis of NORMANBYpre;cnt , TI a petition from the Chamber of Commerce of Glasgow, for an equi.ta. ion of the duties on coloniel produce. Lord BROUGHAM presented a simi!ar 'petition from the Magistrates, Councillor., anti mercha'►ts of the borough of Calle', in Glasgow. The petitioners stated that they hailed w:th plemure the appointment of a Committee of the Hou&e of Con►mods for the in vestigation of these matter.. PETTY SESSIONS. The Earl of DEVON, in moving the second reading of the Petty Sessions Bill, observed that it would be necessary for him to trespass upon their Lordships' at tention for a short time, while be laid before them those details, upon which it ;Appeared to him an alteration of the law wet; necessary. He felt confident when their Lordships should hate been fully aware of the present state of the law, and the manner in which it operated upon the public interests, they would agree with him that it ought to be immediatel3 altered, and he hoped it woul.l be considered that the present Bill would effect the necessary remedy. The propositions on which he ventured to ground his hopes, that their Lordships would proceed with this Bill were, first, that the present state of the late, with regard to the trial and punish ment of offenders, in which the circumstances were simile and the pecuniary value small, presented anoma lies which it would be slostremely desirable to have re moved. The present state of the law operated most injuriously upon various prosecutors and offenders. Toe Noble Lord had after stating shortly the provi sions of the 8.11, and his firm conviction of its neces sity, observed tkat he had brought in a Bill last yen., which was net persevered in, but he would refer to the Report of the Committee on that Bill to show that the Committee were favourable to his views, and that the pre.eat state of the law had failed to encourage prosecutions where punishment ought to follow the committal of crime. That Committee had examined a good deal of evidence, and had put several que.tions, which were very important to the considera tion of the present question. The Noble Lord then read long extracts from the evidence to show the neces sity that ezistad for some such measure as he proposed. and the insuffiicency of any that should be confined to juvenile offenders. He concluded by moving the second reading of the Bid. The Marquis of NORMAN BY was not prepared to give any opposition to the 13111 in its present stage. In Committee he would consider the provisions of the Bill one by one, and he would then state to the House how far be thought they ought to be allowed to pass into a law. He admitted that the present state of the law was anomalous ; the whole question of secondary Ipunishment was at the present moment under the con sideration of the Government. Lord ELLEN BOROUGH felt bound to say that in the district in which he was a Magistrate the provi sions of the Bill could never be carried into effect. He admitted the grievances under the present Bill, but he thought there would be great difficulty in getting in small places so many Magistrates together so frequently. The Marquis of SALISBURY concurred with the observations of the Noble Lord who bad just sat down, as to the difficulty of carrying but the provisions of the Bill. He agreed with the principle of the Bill. Lord BROUGHAM would not take any part in the present discussion, but in refraining from doing so he begged to be understood as not thereby agreeing with the principle of the Bill. He admitted there were great gtievances in the present state of the law, but whether the present Bill would remedy'those grievances be was net prepared to say. After a few observation's from the Earl of DEVON, the Bill was read a second time LIGHTNING CONDUCTORS. In answer; to a question from Lord •MOUNT EDGECUMBE, The Earl of MINTO said that the Admiralty were ready to consider any claim that might be preferred by Mr. Snow Harris, for galling the attention of the public to his improved liglantng conductors for shins, but that at the present momet.t there were no regotiations be tween the Admiralty and that gentleman on the subject. The ,House adjournel at. Twenty Minutes before Senn o'Clock. ROUSE OF COMMONS, FEL 25. Tlie SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. Mr. GORBALLY presented sel e:al petitions from places in Meath, and two petitions from parishes in Go vat., in fa,our of Lord Morpeth's Irish Registration Bill, and against the Bill introduced by Lord Stanley. Mr. FITZPATRICK pmeatcd two petitions from plac , Js in the Queen's County to the same effect, Mr. JAMBS POWER presentei petitions from Waterford in faveur of Lord Morptth's, and against Lard Stanley's Bill. Mr: REf)DIN GTQN presented a similar petition from Galway. Mr. HOD . GES presented a petition from Canter bury against the New Ponr-law, mien similar petition from the clergymen of a district in the county of Kent, containing upwards of 30,000 inhabitants. Also a peti t;on to the same effect from the working men of Mer thyr At the request of the Hon. Member the 131.Coti was read by the Clerk at the table. The petitioners complained of the operation of the new Poor -1 tws, 'and declared that they would opposa their con-. tineance by all legal means, and would vete for no Mem ber of Pariiamcnt who in any way suppfirted those laws. Capt.in IiRYAN presented petitions from rlices in the county of Ki!lc f mny a‘minst..lod-St.anley'3 and in favour of Lora Morpeih':Bid. Major N A. NI Alt A presented - similar petitions from the county of Clare. S:r C. GItEY pre,ientei a petition from master mariners and ser.men of VI:: port of Teignmouth, pray ing for an equalization of paytne7ts in &flaw ports to the seamen's fund. Mr. FIELDEN preEeoLd yetitiani horn Leeds, Ashburton, and three other places, against the new Poor.law system.- Gcl. RAWDON fro m present fa e v il o p u e r ti o ti f on L s ord to : petition from Lime fie county of . Down, Tyrone, and Arma g h, r. „% e a i s n ' s n t Lai‘ridriStlayn.leity'ca3Billi,Eaoptireisnented a 1 lorpeth's. rick to the same effect. Sir THOS. ACLAND presented a petition f rom som e place in Devo nshire p ra y in g for additional church accomnaodatian. Dr. STOCK presented petitions in favour of Lord Morpeth's Bill, and against Lord Stanley's. Colonel CLEME N TS presented a petition . from Cavan, against Lord I\dorpetb's Bilt. Captain PECHELL presentul 'petitions from Arundel, and other places, against tLe dissolution or the Gilberts' Unions. Sir WILLIAM SOMERVILLE presentrd peti. tions from places in the co unty of Tyrone, 'agaitst Loi d Stanle%'s Bill, and in Eiveur'ol. Lord Morpeth's. Mr. DARBY p.eserte.l a P‘itition from a pl tee :n Su:geN, against the Ne.w , Po r-law Bill. Mr. EITZS'FE2iIEN FRENCH, presented peti t this (rpm places in tt.e county of Roscommon, against Lard Stanley's 1111, and in favour of Lord Mor p eth's. Sir CHARLES BURRELL presente d a p etition from Reigate, a7aMst tne provision of the Poo r-law Bill, w hi c h dirais that the bodies of paupers dying in m ,•n.o,riits.,ldi to the onto f ouses shall I,e buried in the burial groun ds at t‘Deati. workhouses, l and' also a petition from the "UW r lzlpe in fav our of the l: Bill for the Abolition of (Ai Pani s h , aces in tho he ()CONNOR DON, presented petitions from places StanlQ's Bill, and in county of .Roticommon, against Lord ' Mr. M. J. f l ivrmr of Lord Morpeth's. places in the e O'CONNELL juwyotK presented petitions from v,rnmeat measure for Lisa fl.y, in favour of the Go- AZO Nandp rseisue l n :e td :r d stration, and against Lo L d or S d ta u n it ley A is u . also a ill ' at a public meeting, persons againSt - Lord Stanle'se Bill upwards of 5,000 a petition. agreed to and in favour of all ; the respectable merchants of Dub sLigonrded Morpeth's p almost etll' petition to the same effect, lin ; alio , a similar petition from Maynooth, in the county of Kildare. Sir F. BURDETT presented a petition from some place in North Wiltshire, against the Poor-law Amend ment Bill. Mr. O'CONNELL presented 35 petitions from dif ferent plaCes in Ire!and, including the counties of Long • ford, Clare, Antrim, Donegal, Down, Roscommon, Wexford, Wicklow, Leinster, Limerick, Westmeath, G 01,5 ay, Cork, Armagh, Derry, and Sr. Katharine'?, Duhltn, in favour of the Bill for the extension of the franchise in Ireland, and against that for its extinction. Mr. FOX •MAULE brought up the Turnpike Act Continuance 1331, which was read a first time. Mr. HUME presented a petition from the countf of Cavar, and another from the city of Kilkenny to the same effect. 10 Mr. GISBORNE prrseatel a petitioc from the county of Londonderry to the SIIMP effect. Sir ROBERT FERGUSON presented petitions from the coma es of Londonderry and Donegal to the same effect. Lord CLEMENTS preserit -d_ a petition from the county of Clare to the same aft cf. Petitions against Lord Stanley's Bill, and in favour of that of the Government, were pretence,' by Mr. V. Stuart, G ; Mr. M. O'Neriall, 2 ; Mr. E. Roche, • 10, from the county. of Cork, and by Mr. H. Grattan, from the counties of Monaghan, Cavan,and Ferma3agli. Petitions in favour of Lord Stanley's 13111, were pre• tented by Colonel Perceval, and k..ord Stanley. Colot:el WOOD presented a petition from the Trustees of the Poor of all Saints in Poplir, agAinst the Pooi-law Amendment Continuance Bill, and praying Cm House to give the rats-payers in all parishes a cor.trol over tl e expendltute of their own money. Mr. SHAW presented a petition from cettain lett r press printers of Dublin, eumplaining that combination had been I..lstly imputed to them in a pe.tiun presented by the lion. and Learned Member for Dublin. Mr. O'CONNELL wiahed to say a few words on the subject of the paition.—(Order. order.) The SPEAKER said that the Hon. and Learned Member eosin net, according to the rules of the House, make any observations on a petition unless it was on a matter personal to himstlf. Mr. O'CONNELL said that the subject did con cern him personally. Ho had been ,represented as having stated that combination ex'sted among the letter-press printers of Dublin. lie bad, however, stated. no such thing.— (Hear.) He had merely read a passage in tl.e petition entrusted to him, which at tributed a burning in Dublin to malicious reasons, and suggested that it might base occurte.l in con sequence' of combination of some kind. He am also represented to bay,: said that he intended to bring iu a Bill for the purpose of putting an end to combi nation. He had merely expressed a wish that the Burning' Act, which was in force in the city of Dublin, might be extended to the to-t of Leland. Mr. H. GRATTAN presented a petition from Wicklow, in favour of Lord Morpeth's Bill for the re gistration of voters in Ireland. Mr. SHIEL presented a similar petition from a place in Tippreary. THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 2;, 1841. STEAM-VESSELS. Lord SANDON wished to call the attention of the Government to a subject which had recently excited considerable interest. His attention bad been called to the subject by the melancholy instance in which loss of life had lately occurred in consequence of the absence of a distinct rule with regard to steamers as to what side they should pass. The House was aware that a rule had existed a great time with rega►d to sa 1 ng► vessels, but there war no rule which prevadA universally for all vessels. He wished to ask whether the Noble Lord was prepared to call the attention of the House to it, or to introduce any measure on the subject. Mr. LABOUCHERE said the subject had engaged his attention some time before the melancholy catas trophe to which the Nol,le Lord had alluded, but he found that a strong opinion existed in the minds of those he consulted on the subject, that such a course would not be desirable. The Trinity had issued re gulations on the subject for steamers, and also as to the lights to be displayed, and these they had rendered im perative on their own vessels. The same rules had been adopted by the Admiralty, and were imposed upon the Government steamers, and it was also circulating throughout the country, and generally ado [ ted. The rule for sailing vessels depended not upon enactment, but on general custom and understanding, and it had been found advisable also to allow the_e regulations to rest upon general understanding likewise, and he believed there was no doubt that if any acci dent occurred in consequence of any steamer neg lecting these regulations, the Court of Admiralty, and other Courts, would severely punish the offenders, as much as if they had trespassed upon a positive enact mer.t. He thought it desirable also,• that foreign countrier, especially those whose steamers entered the waters of this country, should adopt the same rules as were laid down for our steamers ; but on the best consideration, and from the best information he could obtain, he did not think it advisable to rutrodOce any Bill upon the subject. Lord SANDON inquired whether any communica tionhad been made to foreign Powers. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that no formal commu nication had taken place, but the subject had been treated of informally. Mr. GIL LON gave notice that on the 11 th of March he should move for a Committee of the whole' House to address her Majesty, praying that she would be graciously pleased to grant assistince and support to Mechanics' Institutions and Schools of Alt. PACKET STATION. Mr. FRES HIFIE Lll gave notice that on the 3d of March be should move an address to her Majesty for copies of the correspondence between the Lords of the Admiralty and the Commissioners appointed to survey the different harbours on the coast, on the subject of the selection of a proper port for the West India mail pac ket station. Captain PECHELL gave notice that to-morrow he should move for raurns of the number of mates in the Royal Navy, showing those who had passed their exa mination for Lieutenants, with the date of their com mission?. EMIGRATION TO THE WEST INDIES. Mr. MACKINNON gave notice that on the Ilth of March he should move the appointment of a Select Committee to consider the expediency of introducing labourers into the West India Colonies. ARMS (IRELAND). Mr. Sergeant JACKSON begged to ask the Nobit Lord the Secretary for Ireland whether it was the in- tention of the Government to effect any change is the lav with regard to the registration of arms in Ireland, as it was generally understood that arms had got into the hands of improper persons in various parts of the country. Lord MORPETII believed that there were powers which might be excreter by the Magistracy to remedy flo.t. evil. Toe Government had received several sug gestions on the subject, but they were not quite certain whether there was not sufficient powers in the law as it at present stood, without call:ng for fresh enactment?. Mr. O'CONNELL. wished t) know whether the Noble 'Lord meant to confirm the statement of the lion. and Learned Gentleman, that arms had got into the hands of imprqper perstins. Mr. JACKSON had made the statement on the authority of Magistrates. Lord MORPETH was understood to ray that the Government had reason to believe that a-ins had got into the hands of improper persons.—(Loud cheers from 'the Tory benches.) IMPORT DUTIES (WEST INDIES.) Mr. E. TENNENT begged to ask whether the Government had ree&ved any information of a measure proposed by the Legislative Assembly of Jamaica to place an import duty of 5 per cent. upon all goods im ported into that colony, and whether that proposal was 1 kely to meet the sanction other Majesty's Government Lord JO EIN RUSSELL said Government had received information that such a measure had passed the Jamaica Legislature, but it had not yet been taken into consideration. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. S.r E. SUGDEN said,that the Noble Lord had given notice of his intention to proceed to-morrow first. with the Customs' Duties Bill, and secondly with the Canty Courts Bill. Now he had not the least objec tion to the Noble Lord's proceeding with the first Bill, but with regard to the County Coults Bill, he thought that ought not to be proceeded with nat.] the Local Courts Bill was before the House. Should it be proposed to proceed with that Bill to morrow, he should feel it his duty to Mile that it be real a second time that (lay tour months. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that with regard to the Orders of the Day for to-morrow, he proposed to take the Bill for the equalization of the duties on East India Rum in the first place ; with regard to the other Orders of the Day, he was not prepared to state hew ne should take them at present. Sir E. SUGDEN objected to proceeding with the County Court - s' Bill until the Local Courts' Bill should be before the House. Many Members had prepared them.e!t-es under tho idea that the two Bills were to fee dilcusscd together, and as they both formed part o one great measure he should certainly object to pro. ceeL.. :in with the one without the other. Loral JOHN RUS situation, who said had e he wasvcr regularlytbefirst -,,Pieeresnonno°ticrue of PYing his the Orders of the Day h e i n t en d e d to given first, but if he were pressed to fix precisely the t o h l e d Oprradcetriscew,oaunldd betaken Orders that were to have precedence, he should be ans' Right Hon . and Learned Friend. misunderstood his Noble l i Lord to fix the exact pre. I t e e e answer to s t aafina course. Sir o q u b u r a e s e s e k t . io u n p that e Sir ROBERT PEEL thought the Noble Lordhad He did not press the • t w a e k r e e n , t w b o ut ßi te s merely f which was printed and the on the same subject, one b o cedence bolter not to proceed with other was not, it would e in tlolopinOiordnetrbs ' a s t h , o a u s l t t e b r e e te w d hic h h is should be printed, so that ta e Members PI the discussion of the first Bill . until the secondjgh have the whole subject before tlient before they proceeded to debate it, and he accordingly requested the Noble Lord to postpone the consideration of the one Bill until the other should be printed.—( Hear, hear.) This was a request so re ►sonabie in itsaf tha he felt convinced that when the discussion came on to morrow the Noble Lord would accede to it, and he thought it would be much better that the Noble Lord should at once say that he would not proceed with the Bill to-morrow. Mr. FOX MAULE thought that when the ques. tion came on he should be able to show the House suf ficient reason for proceeding with the second reading. Mr. HODGES obtained leave to bring in a Bill to exempt inhabitants from liability to be rated, as such, to wards the relief of the poor, and to declare the effect and operation of an Act of the 6th and 7th Will. IV., intituled, " An Act to Regulate Parochial Assess ments," so far as respects tithes and tithe commutation rent•chargee. Lord JOHN RUSSELL obained !ewe to bring in a. Bill to make further provision respecting. certain rights of voting in the election of Members of Pat !lament. REGISTRATION OF VOTERS,(IREL AND) BILL. Oa the motion that the Order of. the Day for re suming the adjourned dc.bate he now read, Lord MORPETH presented petitions from Castle- Maley, in the county of Londonderry, in favour of the - Bid introduced by his Lordship, and against that brought in by Lord Stanley. • Mr. SOMERS presented several petitions from Sknene and other places in Ireland, praying the House to adopt the Bill of Lord Morpeth, and rejact that of Lord Stanley. Mr. M. BELLEW presented petitions from several pl tees in Louth with a similar prayer. Mr. KELLY said that, understanding the Orders of the Day had been called•on, and that the Nold-i Lord the Secretary for the Colonies had chosen which of the Orders of tha Day should Nava the priorty. he ( Mr. K Ily) would take the liberty of stating that it had been certainly his intention, in ease. the Order of the Day for .the second reading of the 13.11 for the Abolition of the Punishment of Death had here cal ed or, to have moved the second reading of that .Bid, in the hope that it would suit the convenience of the House, and to alhw that Bid to be read a second time pro forma. He wished, then, to ask if the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colon'e3 had a right to fix which of the Orders of the thy should be proceeded with. To SPEAKER said, that according to the rules of the Home the Orders of the day for Wednrsday were proceeded with in the regular ord,r in which they stood ; that on Mondays and Fridays the Government Orders had precedence, and that there was no precise ruls for Thursday?. Lord .;OHN RUSSELL sahl that be could not allow the second reading of the B.li of which rile Hon. Member (Mr.:Kelly) had made mention, toprss &lout making opposition to it. It, however, tho second read ing was carried be (Lord J. Russel!) would give no op position to it in its next stage. ADJOURNED DEBATE. The Order of the Day having been read, Mr. GASKILL said, after the length to which the debate had already gone, and after so many eminent and legal gentlemen who wet e much bettar enabled to enter into its detail!, it would be unpardonable in bins to detain the House at any hngth. But a ques tion had been asked out of doors, and . had never yet been answered in that House—how did it happen that the Ministers of the Crown—that those Gentlemen who procured the assent of that House to the Reform Bill as a final measure, now. C4lllO down and asked the assent of the House to a Bill that would totally change tLe whole constituency of Leland? If they had been told during the last S,..ssion, that the Government would come down with such a pro position—if they had been told, that in place of set• tliog a disputed question—that in place of at- tempting to remove acknowledged evils, by a Bill for that purpose alone—they chose to embroil it with a question which would increase the evils, and that by a Bill which they knew they could never carry.—(Cheery.) Such an intimation would have found few to credit it. He was confirmed in that impression when he recollected what tank place daring last Session—(Hear, hear) —when he re• membered that that same Government had opposed _ _ the Hon. and Learned Member far Dublin, when he moved for leave to bring in a Bill to make an alteration in the franchise, and that further they had opposed a proposition much less objectionable and unreasonable, viz.—the motion of the Hon. Member for Bridport to resume the House when they were in Committee on• Lord Stanley's Bill, in order that a clause might be introduced for defining the franchise. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Vice-President of the Board of Trade, who had concluded the debate last night, made, as he invariably diA, a very el iquent speech, but he was bounikto say that speech contained no answer to any one of tha charges preferred azahast the Government by the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Pembroke.( Hear, hear, hear.) The Right Hoe. Baronet had adduced distinct and specific charges against the Government. He had charged them with mis-applying the patronage of the Crown, and giving a direct encouragement to the agitation for Repeal of the Union in Ireland. He had charged them with conferring posts of honour and emolument on . the disturbance of the public peace.—(Hear.) How was that charge repelled by the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman, and who was selec ted to rrpel it ? It was the Right Hon. aid Learned Gentleman—himself a Minister of the Crown—and who bad voted in his place in Parliament for the dismember ment of the empire. Tina Right Hon. Gentleirian did not dewy the truth of the charges made, but nivrely contented himself with attempting to fasten a charge of inconsistency on two Members of the House. That. charge may have 'meant something as evincing a soreness at least of the loss of their services on the other side of the House.—(Hear, hear.) But if the charge wet e taken as a vindication 01 the Govern ment, it meant absolutely nothing ; and he might be pet-mitt:o, with all le pect for the Right Honour able and Learned Gentleman, to tell him that the mere fact of his rising upon 'th e e th er . side as a Minister of the Crown formed in itself a suffi cient vindication of the course taken by the Noble Lord the Member for North Lancashire, and the Right Hon Baronet the Member for Pembroke.— (Opposition cheers.) The Right Honourable and Learned Gentleman concluded his speech with a prs,tettation of his 1 iyaliy, whi e h o accompan i ed that protestation with a significant intimation, that while France was arming, the popular demands in Ireland, however unreasonable, should be conceded. The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman did no., nowever, tell them what had been the effzct of the concessions made to the popular party in Ire land during the last four years. The Right lion. Gentlemen had not told them that extorted concessions had been the means of quieting and removing the a;i tation. The Right Hon. Gentleman did not tell them .low the assurances of contentment and gratification, made by himself and others in 1829, had seen realized. lie (Mr. Gaskrll) was glad that her Majesty's Minis +ers had been compelled by the pressure of their Par- . iiamentary supporters to unfurl the staldard of domes kie chanLe in this country.—(lle sr, hear.) It would enable them to fight the battle of the Constitution upon plain and intel Bible grounds ; it called upon the House to say whether they would consent to tamper vith the franchise that was conle , rel by the ite!Orm Act, and to reopen, at the expiration oz 10 ;ears, the old question of Piirliamentitry Reform. It Is) die.v a line between the Gov_roment of the present day and the Government of Lord Grey, and fur nished an opportunity of testing the sincerity of those who ~iropo,ed the finality principle. It had been said by the lion. Member fur Drogheda, that 'the franchise was .ionsiderably narrowed. Ile (Mr. Gaikell) believed (he truth to be that the number of supporters of her Majesty'a Ministers had been narrowed and not • he numbe r o f t h e electors.—(Fie tr, hear, hear.) , He doubte I whether a-majority of that House would be Mind to support the second reading of that Bill. Would any man doubt what were the wishes and expe,:tations of be people of England upon this subject? If any nen doubted that let him look at the late elections, i t him look et the election for M on mouthshire, Wal sall, Carlow, and Canterbury. Making every allow ance for the solitary victories which her Majesty's Go• eminent had achieved at Richmond and St. Alban's— ( Ironical cheers from the Opposition benches) — there were sufficient reverses in other placei to ,how pretty distiuctly that the tide of public apillion had set strongly against them,• and against the measures which they supported.—(Hear, hear.) Ile Noble Lord the Member for North Lancashire add been taunted during the debate, because he had not chosen to grapple with the question of English registra tion, and confined himself to the registration system of Ireland ; but surely it might be asked, with at least equal justice, of the Government, why they had not , re.led with the qoestio6 of an extended franchise in this country as well as in Ireland.?—(Hear, hear.) The reason was obvious. The people of England I hav e repu di ate d an d disowned it, and Ireland was the o n ly country i n w hi c h the policy of innovaion could be h o p e d t o prosper .—( Cheere.) They had heard charges of injustice and tyranny preferred against all those gentlemen who presumed to differ from gentlemen opposite on questions of Irish policy. He had seen letters in the p u blic newspapers addressed to a gentl eman name d Ray, in which Members of thit House were spoken of as fools and miscreants, for the'r opposition to the Bill of the Noble Lord (Morpeth). He confessed that he viewed the use of that language, with r hich the Hon. and Learned Mem. her for Dublin was so familiar, and the appliewion of these epithets, without the slightest feeling of uneasiness or regret, though it convinced him that they were rightly discharging their public duty in that House, and they were found an inconvenient obstacle in the way of those schemes of aggrandisement and repeal to which her anything e l se t h an tame re sistance.—(Cheers.) And Majesty's G overn ment were• una ble to offer so far was he from acknowledging the justice of such iniputati;:ns upon the motives or conduct of those with whom he had the honour to •aat, that he believed, on the contrary, they had . every wish to preserve inviolate the settlements made in 1829 or 1831. For himself he (Mr. Gaskell) was en anxious well-wisher to the cause of Roman . Catholic Emancipation long before, he hail the honour of a seat in that House, and long before that question was carried by the Right Hon. Member for Tamwo:th. But it was perfectly true that they di.lregt et the course pursued by a certain party in Ireland since the settle ment in 1829. But they did not confound the great body of the Roman Catholics of Ireland with their t hen prominent and self elAted champion.—( Hear,hear.) For if they did, they might be disposed to return to the settlement from which that concession was made, to enact measures which would invite the epithets which the Hon. aad Learned Gentleman had lavished of old 7 on the Coercion Bill.. In the present state of this country and of Ireland, he (Mr. Gaskeil) avowed at'bnce that he would give his consent to no measure which he believed would tend either to continue agitatiM in the one country or to strengthen the influence of democracy in the other. and it was l.ecauee he abelieved the B;11 then on the tattle of the House tzetle4 directly to effect these ob jects, because he saw n the Bill a fatal sepa• ration from the principles of the Reform . Bill. and not only so, but a vaitt;And fruit:ets attemptlo con eil'ate the determined er.-Oties of the connection be , t cern the two countries that be gave his hearty cepa sition to the motion that it should be read a second time.—(Cheers.) Mr. VILLIERS START said if any answer was necessary to the chae of the Hon. Gentleman, erho had j ust sat d own , of-undue influence having been exercised, he might refer toithe speech of the Right Hon. Baronet o! last night fore an answer to that charge. From the best attention he was able to give to the arguments of the Hon. Members opposite they seemed to him to .ground their opposition to the t Bill on the plea that it was a subversion of the great prin ciples of the Reform Bill. They appeared to think th at the principle of that measure was the establish ment of a fruichisa bared. upon a certain air. ; ant of property. Now, it. appedred to ,him that they took too narrow a view of that Measure, and that they were turning details into principles. .His view of the Reform Act was, that it was passed for the purpose of remedying great evils that then existed in the constituency of Ireland,—that it was necessary to enlarge that constituency, and the great principle embodied in the measure, was that a certain pro portion of population - and property should be brought to bear on the election for MeMbers of Parliament.—( Hear, hear.) That he took to be the teal principle ; but as to the regulation of the amount of the property, that he considered merely a detail. With that view he should endeavour to show that the detail.; thee established had not answered the purpose, and that it was necessary that a new plan should be substituted. He should endeavour to show the Noble Lord the Member for North Lancashire that the plan which he proposed for the registration of 101. frt eholders could not be efficiently carried into effect. He understood that the Noble Lord agreed with the Judges that the solvent tenant test was the one to be applied. Now ht them suppose a case of a farm of 30 acres let by a good landlord, who, however, wished to get the value of his property ; such a farm would let for 301. a year, or 1/. per acre. Suppose the tenant had it on a lease of fourteen years—he went to the Registration Court, where he would in all probability be placed on the resister as the solvent termet test • could not be applied but on an appeal being made to the Judge, who would apply the sol vent tenant test ; he could not see how such a name could be retake I on the register, for no man could swear that he could give him 101. a ye ir beyond the rent, after paying for all his out goings, without deduction.° from his own fair pro fits : but it mi g ht b e sa id that the ambition of land lords would induce them so to act as to keep up the constituency, but how was that to be effected ? Suppose an estate of ten thousand acres, divided into three hundred farms, and let at one pound an acre. Now, if the landlord of such an estata was actuated by ambition and a . wish to see his tenants upon the resister, he eoul 1 only gratify that ambi tion by lowering their rents 101. a year on each fa-in, at a loss of upwards of 3,0001. a year. He could not imagine how the constituency could exist at all with the solvent tenant teat. But the Noble Lord had said that was the test he had intended under the Reform Bill, and that his present Bill was intruded to carry the Reform Act into effect. The Bill of the Noble Secretary for Ireland was, however, the best remedy for the evils of which they all so loudly complained.—(Hear, hear.) He was no lover of unnecessary change, more especial.y in such a Bill as the Reform Bill. But if it was found that the object or that Bill, which was the extension of the franchise, bad not been carried into effect„ he thought it was no improper change to bring in a Bill for the purpose of carrying out the intentions talks friends. The Bill of the Noble Secretary for Ireland removed the greatest evils which now existed, namely, fraud and personification, and it gave a fair test of 'the value of any claim that was laid to the franchise. There was one evil, however, which it did not remove : that was the present objection to give leases to the tenants, hut that was • an objection which he thought could be well considered in Committee. There was one other. reason why they ought to consider the Bill in Committee. It was well known that there was a great demand tend much competition for land in Ire lead. lt was equally well known that there were very many needy land:ords—(A laugh)—and therefore the latter were anxious not to give leases, in order to make the most they could by the competition.— ( Haar, hear.) That, however, might be remedied in Committee. The Committee might strike out such a sum as might obviate the difficulty, for he was not confined to the 51. clause—',Tory cheers)—nor did he bind. them ; therefore he was in duced to hope that some even of the Genilemea op posite would give their support to the second reading of the measure. Colonel CON OLLY rose to resist to the utmost the Bill cf the Noble Lord. He objected, as the Noble Lord, the Member for North Lancashire did, in liiniue , • to the irreconcil ibility of the measure itself with the name of the Bill—that under the colour of de fining the franchise, it really and praeticaliy annihi lated the qualifieat'on. But he confessed that he had long feared the Noble Lord would introduce some such measure, though the lowering of the franchise would be most injurious to Ireland. When the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Morpeth) replied to the Han. and Learned Member for Dublin, upon his application • to bring in a 8.11 for the purpose of assimilating the franchise of England and Ireland, he (Colonel Conoliy) then fearfully apprehended, that though the Noble Lord resisted the application, he would be borne down by that powerful pressure to which he was obliged in all cases to submit. Sorry, indeed, was. he, teat those fears bad been realised,—sorry was he that the Noble Lord had not been able to hold his own ground against his powerful master ; and th it be ha I been obliged to concede those very principles Le thee so manfully upheld.—(Herr, hear, hear.) Much its he respect el the Noble Lord's character, his rail, and his station, he was sorry for him as a inan, as a Member of Parli iment, and as a Mini ster of the Crown, that he had placed himself in such a humiliating posit:on. He said taut with pain, but he • cei t duly did not think .it possible fur any human being to be subjected to a mote deg•radiog sittiatiae.—(Loud cheers from the Oppdsition, and laughter on the Ministerial benches.) He had great respect for the character of the Noble Lord, but he was obli g ed to say that.—(lronical cheering.) He was sorry that the Noble Lord had brought in a Bill which with his knowledge of Ireland he must know was adding neer embers to ae expiring flume, and that just as Ireland, was beginning to reco. ver from the registration of 1832—just as Ited ind was beginning to express its own opinion that agitation was injurious to the country, and the ordinary relations of society were beginning to resume their force—the Government that ought te have resisted turbulence and opposed agitation Were the men to renew', and he would say if this Bill passed, to perpetuate the discord and agitation which bad been so interestedly, design edly, and injuriously eavried on in that country.— (Hear.) He spoke with pain, but with the blessing of God he wo'ulli speak his own mind ;he would tell the truth, and though he might be in error, he would speak what he thought.—(He4r, bear, from Mr. O'Connell.) The policy of the Irish Government since the list Session of Parliament had been of that wretchedly am biguous character that the newspapers, and every par= son in that country, bad been constantly inquiring whether they • were the advocates of repeal or not. The measure before the House answered the question. He b.elieved that if any measure could secure the ser vices of the repeal party, it was that which was then under the consideration of the House, and which gave the illctive franchise without any qua lification. —( Hear, hear, from Mr. O'Connel.) He saw that there was virtually no qualification, and be appe lied t the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin to s,y if it wer-r not so. He objected to the menses.', because he was persuaded that it wou:d p , erpetuate the e m pi re o f t h e H en. an d Learrel Gen t,einan, and because it would render inevitable either a ekil war or a repeal of the Union.—(Hear, hear, heir.) Ile could not doubt but the Noble Lord , the Secretary for le c!and roust himself be a.vare that by. this measure he would give flesh pinions to the Hon. and Learned : Member's flight. The fact was the Ministry had brought down the great despot on their backs, and while they denounced the repeal in words, they were furnishing the Hon. and Learned Member with the belt means of accom plishing his purpose. He (Colonel Conolly) had himself heard the Honourable and Learned Gait elian deride the threats of Ministers at one of his meetings,—(" Hear, hear," from Mr. O'Connell.) Toe lion. and Learned Gentleman knew • whe.:, he alluded to, aid that Gentlemen knew that Repeal was nothing but an empty stratagem to fill his pock( ts.— (Hear, from the Ministerial benche'.) If, however, it were to end in that, although he should be sorry to see his countrymen despoiled, by false pretences, he would not have taken the trouble of rising on that occasion. But he saw that the entire procee ling was one of the most serious character. Statements were made in a speech lately by a certain Irish county Member, . which he (Colonel Conde') held it unworthy of him to notice.—((Cries of " Hear, hear.") He (Colonel Connolly) contended that it was tee gross demoralization of the people, the monstrous striding of perjury over the land, that called on the Members of her Majesty's Government ti make that show of legislation which they on the present occa sion exhibited. It was he insisted, 'but a show of legislation. He spoke of their act'eres and mat of their professions. It was but a moeeery to bring in a Bill for the purpose of keeping out that of his Noble Friend the Member for North Lancashire. He (Col. Connolly) was sorry to hear an Irish county Member, for whose opinions on most subjects he entertained the highest respect, set, that. the meeting held a short t tree ago in Belfast would not be so great if the object of the Noble Lord's (Lord Stanley) Bill was not disfran chisement. lie teought thet in almost every case re. lative to Ireland that Honourable Gentleman's views were well t Ike!), but be could not agree with him in what he stated on the. Eubject. The Bel nev:r would have been brought in et all but for the goading of the Toriei.—( Loud cheers and laughter.) He was delighted with the Right Hon. Baronet the Member far Pembroke last night, when he stated that it was merely a repetition of the appropriation clause. Now the Honour able and Learned Gentleman, the Member for Dublin, said the voice of Ireland was raised against the measure, but as personation was the order of the day, he, on the part of Ulster, would take leave to deny it eltogether. It was, in fact, nothing but a Bill to fill the pocket; of the Hon. and Learned Member for ,Dub lin.—(oll, oh.) It wits but it fresh stratagem to fan the expiring flame of liberality on the part of the follomers of the Hon. and Learned Member, when vIVP, and municipal corporations, and all else had failed.—(lronical cheers.) The lion. and Learned Member might deride what he had to say, but the story was not hell' told.—(Citeers and much laughter.) The Irish landlords would not grant leases to their tenantry, it was said, but why should they, when they found them arrayed in opposition to them at the hus tings l--( Loud cheers.) No doubt he should be charged with great illiberality of sentiment, but, thank God, he did net live within the limits of the ;re t potentate— (Mach laughter)--and if the lion. and Learned Mem • ber came to Donegal his reception would not be better time it bad been at Belfast. Why; when it was known that he and his brigade were about to go to Belast, to dictate what measures were to be adopted, and what measures were to be repudiated, it roused the energies of the county against them. They derided the country gentlemen, 'they abused the landlord?, and decried the magist rates, ale, in short, everything that was considered respectable in the country wa . ; the subject of their abuse. The Irish petrel° did net want leases from landlords whose aonds they could depend upon, ai ccs'taialy as they could upon any document, and they always trusted to the landlords, excevt in some county where the spirit of in subordination had been introduced by some club or some agitator who endeavoured to set the people against their hart fries 's, the landlords. The landlords hoe done their duty to the country, when the Government had shrunk from theirs. The Government had shrunk before, and succumbed to, the ns,itators, while the landlords had boldly stood out and opposed them . —had protected the people against them, and had asserted their own natural rights. Tley had done so in a manner so effectual that in a short titre not even such a measure as this would be sufficient to enable a Whig Government to rest upon an Irish majority for carrying out their radical principles. The Irish landlords had done themselves immortal honour by resivieg teis despotism, while the Irish Government had eeereee i themselves, by prostrating themsels C 3 before the aeitatorrs (Cheers.) [lc was supposed that the Hon. and Gallant Colonel had cor.cluded his speech, and cense quently sere al Members rose. Among others Mr. Howard, reed tlin - e vas a loud call for " the new Member." Colonel Conolly, believer, amidst roars of laughter, turned to wards the Speakee and said--" Sir, I am sorry that Hon. Mambars ate so impatient, but I am afraid I must detain then a great deal longer."] The Honourable and Gallant Colonel then went on to say—He had long been in Ireland ill a prset'eal stati in of life— ( Laughter from the Ministerial leachee ) Yes, in a prac tical station cf . ii e. Genilemen might ridicule the ex. preasi in as much as they pl. ased. His life had teen one of positive labour. It had been spent among the lower orders ; and he would vectors to say, however presump.. tuous it might appear, that no one was more conversant with them than himself. If ever there slat anything in jurious in the way of legislation far Ireland it was tie 40s. freeholds. He had said it over and over again in that House, and the last time he said it the predecessor of the present Speaker, Lord Dumfernline, apt eared so struck with what he said.—( Loud laughter from the Ministerial side of the House.) When Hon. Members hid done laughing,: he would finish what he had to say. Lord Dunfermline called upon him, and said that his views wcre precisely those to which Lord Chancellor Ponsonby Lai attributed all the evils of Ireland. —( Hear, bear.) Hon. Members, in their desire to enfranchise a great number of paupers, sought to i itroduce a subdivi sion cf lands so minute, that no man who had a family to support could supply them with the common decencies and necessaeies of bfe. That would be th a result of the sys tem which ea; sought to be introduced. He had sat as a Poor-law Guardian for ore of the largest unions in Le land; and he was of opinion, that if the ere renew eat adopted as the basis of the e•anchise, the freeholders would not be able to procure fir their families the f rod necessary to support them. He (Colonel Conolly) had always la boured to enlarge the huldiags of every person with whom he had been connected. Ten thousand pounds would not re pay hem for his efforts to spread the is Ireland over a larger surface. —( Hear, herr ) The 40s. freehold was considered one of the giant est boons that had ever brew colleted upon the people of Irt Line. Hon. Gentlemen opposite said that Members on his (Colonel Conolly's) side of the House intended to abrogate the Bill by which that boon am conferred. He would never have voted for the extinction of the 40s. freeholders, but rather would ho vote for their revival than for the creation of a worse class of voters in their place. On the Catholic question, on the Reform 13111, and osi the present question, there had been a plus quoin Punka fides on the part of the Govern ment—( Hear, hest )__who court intiy reared out, attribut • kg motives which never existed, on these questions, to Gentlemen; siting upon the Opposition tide of the House. —( Hear, hear.). The landlords of Ireland had for same time past been endeavouring to improve and simplify tee tenure of land, so as to raise the condition of the occu piers; het this measure would throw them back upon the old system of degrading the tenantry for poli tical purposes. —( Cries of " Hear, hear.") The measure wools!, there fire, inflict' upon Ireland the gtea'est evils, moral, political, 'and social.—(Hear, hear.) He would also a.k the Irish county Members whether they would consent to degrade that cliss of 101. voters by whom they had been elected, and let in a flood of persons who :could he many degrees more deeendent than the 403. freeholder:, and who would be in a worse condition by tl e possession cf tie franchise thaa they were befere? The object of the lion. and Learned Member for Dub lin was to destroy everything constitutional and conserve. tive while attempting to bolster up a dccrepid and totter. ing Ministry. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman was also desirous of extinguishing the Orangemen ; but he' (C. land Conolly) could not account for the anxiety of the Hon. and Learned Member on that subject, as such on erect would reduce his own stock-in-trade, and de prive 1 irn of a subject for constant declamation. In his oeisire, the measure before the Hauseevould degrade the voter, and endanger the integrity of the empire; and he should, then fore, tei.e it Lis decide l opposi Mr. HOWARD sti !, that in rising for the first time t, address t e House, he Lobe f that Hon. Gentlemen would extend t) hint that indulgence of which he stood so much in reed. It was not his inteation to eater into meters of detail, which he would leave to Gentlemen who were bet er acquainted with the country for which it was proposed to legislate; but, as an Englishman, he would briefly, but decidedly, express his opinion iu favour of the measuie.—( Hear.) Ile believed that the Bill would be accefelable to the country et large. During the kit ieision, when the abuses of the present registrative cyst. rn in Ireland had been exposed—sheet tie frauds and the evils cf protracted litigation to which it gave rise had been exposed to view—rho Bill of the Nob!c Lord the 'Member for North Lancashire had acquired a temporary popularity. But he believed, now that the Bill was better understood, that the diffieulti-s which it would throw in the way of independent voters lied become apparent ; it had lost the popularity which it once enjoyed. That Belt also left the franchise undefined; and whatever might be thee opinions of Hon. Gentlemen opposite with respect to the Judges, it was notorious that in Ireland a great difference t f opinion existed on that subject. He would say that it was the duty of the Noble Lord to put an end to the diffi culees of that question, and not to leave it id that sneer tsioty which was tee fruitful source of the present abuses of Irish registra•im. He believed that the measure intro duced by the Government would obviate that incon venience, and would, by defining the franchise, put an end to litigation. Ho thought that such a circum stance should have induced Hon. Gentlemen opposite to assent to the second reading of the Bill, and that any difference of opinion which nug'nt be felt as to the amount of the qualification should be reserved for discussion in Committee. Such was the course pursued on the Muni cipal Bill, and he (Mr. Howard) was at a loss to conceive why it had teen departed from in the present instance. As it appeared that the el. ratisg clause was the principal cause of the opposition given to the Bill by the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, he was glad to have an opportunity of declaring tie reasons why he approved of it. They should in legislating for Ireland consider the circumstances of the country. There was, unfortunately, there no amal gamation of etas: es as in England. The country was di vided into two classes only—landlords and tenants, the owners and the cultivators of the soil. Those classes were, unf.riunately, opposed to each other in many essential points. The former class was Tory in politics and Pro tstant in religien—the latter class generally professed the Roman Catholic faith and were Liberal in politics. He. would not now go back into the history of Ireland to show the causes of this estrangement ; it was sufficient for I his argument That it existed, and Le thought it essential that they should have the opinion of the lower as well as the higher classes.— s ( Loud cheering.) Tine measure of the Noble Lord opposite was calculated to throw the fran chise entirely into the hands of the higher classes. A vast diminution hire already taken place of the electoral body, and the Noble Lord had himself admitted the disinclina tion of the landlords to grant leases. That showed that some alterttion of the franchise was necessary, if they wished Ireland to be fairly represented in. the House.—. (Cheers.) He knew it had been said that a class of voters EVENING EDITION would be created under the presen t Bill who wou ld be c tirely dependent upon their landlords —a pauper consti:: tuency living front band to mouth—( Hear, Opposition.) The Ike. Gentlemen opposite ci e. , re a but be thought that objection would have come with better grace from his side' the House, for he did not think that lion. Gentlemen opposite would look upon the de-s pendence of voters as a very great objection—(Chenr_. from the Ministerial benches.)' If these votes were avattlo hear, from t d, able for no other purposes, their would, .at least, save...oh landlords what be must consider the pain of exPe ill voters from their homes on account of a thatdiffer.nt. of pr a seonn.—(Continued cheers.) He such , system of voting was undrc.mted o iii Scotland, and unheard cf . in England. He wouldnot ld now stop to inquire whether the English 40 '. -" Tie . franchise would not give a greater constituency t.. 1 land than the proposed measure would to Ireland• the knew that such was the opinion of the Noble Lori Secretary for Ireland. But he thought it had nothing was told do with the question. They saw the Irish constituent.) constantly diminivhing, and a measure wa s proposeV • throw increased difficulties in the way of the vote r. der such circumstances, was it a wise course to conott e i l what would be the effect of such a system in England? " would be like cashing from the lips of the fainting Ina! the cup that was to bring him nourishment, becaose.i, might be too stimulating for his neighbour.—( Cheers.? t But some Members on the other side bad s aid the. • they should not wish to see the constituency greatly dim that nisLed, and that if Lord Stanley's Bill shou ld have result, they would be willing afterwards to endeavour to find some remedy. But would it not then be too lat.,. when the Tory Nlerabere of the North wou ld be adt1(:(1 to the Tory Members returned be the landlords from tne South of Ireland ? He did not think sues a co urse a, 0 wise one.—( Cheers.) It would be a dange rous state no things if the real representatives of Ireland vvtr e e er longer to possess a seat in • that House, bet to be compelled to carry on their deliberations elservbe h rc et ' d where the attmtion of the people would be fazed o n t ha t instead of on that House, It was impassible t 3 SaY it would be the event of such proceedings, but whetev%. might be, it could not but be detrimental to the b("t .' 3 OO rests of the Irish people. Believing that the 131; ) 3 ,, Noble Secretary for Ireland would establish t he freae n upon a sa isfaotory basis., 'he would give it his hearty sn • port. —( Cheers.) Mr. LASCELLES admitted that it was neces'arY. to define the franchise. fie was disposed to establish i lit larger basis. He admitted that the Poor-law properly be applied as a test of the right of Otteg slitt(Cheers from the Ministerial Beaches.) M the ing tbe slitting what some might be disposed to COllS ide' a o p. • principle of the Government measure, he felt bound tediffi. pose its second reading. There was nothing more iris , • cult than to distinguish between what canstituted the to ciple of a Bill and its details. It was very COCIAOI4 case that the principle of a Bill was involved in its 'pilaw) but he was disposed to look at the ammot %l e en franchise as involved in the principle of the 13 11.--t ,i o g hear.) Was there he would ask, no danger in thr t. ":.b,.. out to the people of Ireland a 5/. franchise which eatt l ' s el fore the House recommended by no details? and I f fi l e t not but look at the Bill as containing essential Pr'l l b e ;rdet that might Le applied to this country. He thOtig" t ot strict application of the solvent tenant teat was rattler °° strict a restriction of the franchise, for be thought a, t ol / qualification might be founded upon the rate.- - 44 is cheers.) He was sorry that they were again em ber fie f these party contentions, for he was in hopes at the eon-si.. sion of the last Session that Ireland would have be his lowed a little more rest. Hfully He was award the' f elt ; Noble Friend would be charged with t his, but b e to convinced that he did not deserve it, his obPot ' put registration upon a proper footing. 11 t ° t est did not sanction the Government in coming dow n ° le !louse and proposing the present Bill. He should thi;.iie fore give his opposition to the second reading of on u ,f. Mr. GISBOENE the r rose to address the "% e at Great evils had grown up in Ireland from i's to system of registration, and those evils were calo°'''t•bnie impress every man with horror and disgust- Ir° e cdP evils the Bill of the Noble Viscount proposed a le- If and he had not heard it said by any one that tha t te ll , which the Noble Lord had applied would no t be •etr' et if:r- The Noble Lord admitted that the remedies were c tusl, he' complained that the same remedies wcreo?itle posed when he recommenie I them to the 11000., of posed when he rccommen6e t them to the 1 1 00 P. ( tespect to the evils which existed, and the efile'el,'"odiil tee remedy proposed , there was no difference °; oion. There was in Irel and great uncertai .ty resP A c fhad the franchise. Several gentlemen on the other siu,:,gb said that there could be no legal doubt ; but even tu' im es there were no legal doubt, no one would deny r ; W as were prectical difficulties ; that in our country a ' flti•- e is registered because he had a beneficial interest , , enothur refused for the same qualification. TOY le t d id say v.bat they p!eased about the Irish Judges, but thso, not at all remedy the .evil.—( Hear, beer.) it e ' t bera marked distinction between the two Bills, that one 0. Is proposed a remedy for Ole evil and the other did o', l 'dgeo had been said last yea-, and was still said, that the . 111 ar ds I ought to agree. What progress had been made Woe such an agrennent? A.l that he beard was th at d 0 0 more Judges had joined the dissentients. The! , 4 ,, c iati means t f compelling, and none of P' - bria an agreement ; and yet it was proposed t° erg in a 13i 1 to remedy the abuses of registration'eee leave wholly untouched the evils arising from th e tainty of the franchi s e. That alone was suffi c i e nt t 0 The of the Member b h cyr thisfor Bili Exeter sho s u a l i d d b t e h t acceptablehc that the one Bill was decidedly superior to the otlSll f tne supporters of her Majesty's Governiarti"' beta another Hon. Member had taunted the Radical for giving to epinion upon the subject. But althoug old e' had not Indulged • ld in loquacity ie that debate, bee ° , 1 ,0 0 e6-u to ve O rl a : d ice : l ord sure the House tie:) , thought that impartiel 4 ',Or e could only he secured by impel tial represents/60,, n ( got' therefore fully prepared to support this Bill. 5 ; n s Gentlemen would on that occasion allow him to po l io ie organ of the English Rule:ls, he had no 11 : 1 "11ea r ' making that avowal on behalf a that great body• -- ` e ct hear.) The principle adopted in this 13111 with rollrode the h, r pup f o r t encil'Ee r t= ahatnd w of aniitih respect ifepetide to whichnttcse—e t t c b ? p fo r f r e: for there could be no dispu'c. Ou ties point he ro tst elor il ` milie tto sty that the Noble Lord, the Member for for Lancashire, had hardly' done himself jus tice e ; Jec ed he belleved that if that Noble Lord had Ot t- tha the Pour-law valuation as a tett, the Noble Viseoue ore proposer of the present B:11, would have becol e n , disposed to join lie (Mr. Gisborne) lie" rest• high opinion of what was eat:ed the "bereficial int Joy. He thought it led to a greateleal of perjury and O n ire" The tolsent tenant test, whatever it might be a ° ' 2 , 03 6°1 cni , e, was certainly a good test; if applied t) v4 ` coo , ' r , made for other purposes, it was as goo d a (CS/ to; be found for ti.e registration. But a solvent terland. 1 1 of 101. was an exceedingly bad franchise for i rc111) it il l the constituency was found to he on the deelia e .i or the . said that they might come to the Legislatara felt purpose of having it erilareed.—( Hear.) He Nrt",.. deep obligation to the Noble Member fll ore it e ; Lancashire fur the course he had taken. Th e y, ' h eeen 9-. :' sorry for it—on ti:e contrary, they were rejoiced ' d now. they could go before their const.tuencies Oho 0 out the advantages of a Liberal Government ov er t t ha is l „ . a Tory one. The violence of the Tory party was i° vation of the Liberal once The la ter bad laii‘tdeeria' apathy, but this would rou c them. He would o,oolo' the House Lrther, but ho would g:ve the BM bas • suppc Mr. CHOLMONDELEY stood almost jo th e e s posi• ion as the lion. Member who spoke lust be t ,, o btit; e e : was tne first time he had taken any part in a P; tgelie`' • ' bate, ane he met id to meet with the same kind jou! err —(Hear, hear.) flu had attended closet, to ill' "' c o sOr ' 'l ments put f niveard in that long deb.te, and bacr 3 ,: prised to find that the most impo:tant point, vat' t he ,bed %; chise, mat either thrown overboard entirely, o r tett .01 lightly upon as if the two 'q u esti ons of registratioo ,;* t he fcarrne I the substance of two distinct Bills. H ° g: e Bill his de:Hed opposition, o n t!le ground that, d it • d e 50 guise of a Registrati,n Bill, they found tacka, t chute called by a Noble Lord a collateral Meal' s „ to u t , s ;; l addition to the franchise. That was a mild ebr a ' e 'l t e • when speakine , f a clause that would detrfislott-1 franchisr.—( Year, h e ar.) Lancashire had well denominated the Bill as a e s el f ran Bill for Ireland. It was a Bill that se 8 0 ( re t likely to he like the dragon's tet , th —being sew n soe. v o i would be more likely to spring up a harvest of, . 00 The Noble Membcr lo w ge- . 1 as even that country had too, er seen, than be, ai be ar. ' it would be, a blessing to I e'a id.—( fl: ar, bro ., ot i• They had beard of the extent of the power of v ery ', f t he , • lie priesthood in Ireland. lie would soy them, further than that he was sorry to see ye:.sons v ile re-; the iittle sacred character inteafering in pelitieal matters. . 5 , 0 0 o'• grettel also to find that there existed a groa t a ct, ) intimidation, • and the voter knew not how II v ted 1- h r placed e•eveen two opposing part'ee a e ni ldeiga r s the obnoxious candidate, he was set ved with d• ld nteice that bit h o u s e would be b urne d over bi,4 s'e,an 11 feared the Bill would create a c la ss of voter s ' l ;e ia t o r not have the power or moral i n fl uen ce to Te3i°sed t midation. thie great a-gume n t that bad beep ° se a the disproportion existing between populatie,n •it constituencies. If that were good for glP i e le ' l irat ire. 0 but a lamentable proof that property valueless in Ireland, and it showed wa s cwll o , o ol o, efforts of poli ical agita . ion. But that was Ifor r'l ye lowering the franchise—it was rather a grow id t hat y the standard of the voter. It had been sai i a ~e t re, I were on the verge of war, and that tbey c o n e totbe e upon the assistance or support of the Wall Pe ) 'N clearly the res s o? lc s e a libi . demands were not conceded.—( Hear, b ea" w elght • wished that such an argument would have ne id res ist . 0 - that House, and that they at all events tv° o , a „a ref midation. The question was;an important jeonti'se to deer nant with good or evil, and it behoved the I at least at an d th;t upon it calmly and dispassionately , to forc e " e l e - r . stigma would not attach to thorn of graetMei _ ow w h e t... 4, ;, they refused tat reason. He was anxious to It . fl ent i n n, of l i t, if the measure were carrie-1, it was the in' risc ipie es• bs , Majesty's Government to carry out the 'faele•Pet would be regard to England and Scotland. Ili, viscie g gained if he had succeeded, in any way , in crl a nd el House of the great importanc of the subject:rontic should therefore only say furthere that it st to oppore the second reading of the r e QS Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said, that after . _ should i t) ia length to which the debate had extended, ac lengt" into o f feel it to he his duty to go at any grcat en trea ted ,e• details cf the measure, though they had bed P',4 at great lergth by some Hon. Gentleine ..7reeerved ceded him. He thought these bad betteer.,D., wou ld 874 the Committee, to which he hoped the as as i n 10: if 1 110 1 19 • from representative, he would briefly take that oppo be g oe representative, to express the reasons dis T o icyr o ; s b was abicsair.) support. He could not altogether vie Member for the measure of the Noble Lord the Me „_ e woo Lancashire, but, however, he would copula __, AO .OO. much as possible to the subject matteroof. _co o ..n eer vor , oo tt e. The Bill appeared to him divisible int te r n r : tbe y hear , Hear , h e ar, - be' part, and franchise on the other.--( au d be In the first instance .it bid great merlk. • • withSth iflww:- Pr" to comprise two questions registratio could not avoid contrasting ls . It his a ff ;jor d o to w " au b to every voter of proving his title, Noble Lord (Lord Stanley) for the