The Sun. — London, England, 1819-05-11 00:00:00

I►EGjS'rj[t OF F.\SII!ON. 'ri:""I-IIONABLE PARTIES THIS EVENING. 4trt,,t44tellioness of Canidert's Grand Rout in Arlington- Th e ke tit .' n 'bassad or f rom the Neth erlftncl's Grand Entertain .l4'. hitehall-place. Ill rs Ind Miss Nugent's B a il in Wig mo re-street. e Nir. liC"orton's I3all in Seyinour-street. s tl44t 4 bie Maxwell's Ball in Hill-street, Berkeley aerring's Ball in King-street, Portman-square. ~ SPOI- 1 : 1 . 1 - N - 61N — TELL1G h.,Ne E. L.:4,IIIIiIET SECOND SPRING MEETING, 1819. Movme, MAY 10. , "'P Nweei,stake's of 18p each, for three-yr-olds and .4 ( ,,. p , ardc T.Y.C. tit titrit• Car cridi4h's i Li " t l tle Dick, I 2 'ty's Le„p„idine 5 yes, 7St. 131 I) 5 yrs, Bst. 41b. c iBt,'en starte , l'.—TheJtnice placed but ; ine. Itt -“' la g It Littl e D1,1,- 4 to I apt Leopo (I dttit i Bate.t..,7l:sCa a p l tAii i i . C 200g,atli,: 1 Fl t , I. st f . t;_E 21h. b bvertait petting. Mr.t:dny's Stti , 1:1 101 , - a s 4:413T0N, MAY 10 REGRNT —The PRINCE . as t n h -- "" recovered from the gout in his f oo t , 144 e able '" walk •ti the pleasure grounds of the 'l'ili ~,i , i • . [ l o ya l Highness's de ji,,,,tir_ • it Is iteiety his en d o f ifria ,`.(11"t L,iirioll will be delayed to the Last ''• t'.r.;„ ` 4 ,‘'enioZ the Duke and Duchess of i_ou p,,."" "Rd o tionito'OHS party. Illien",",'4s A yousTA arid SOPHIA ride out da t i o ly r: rae r ;,'" ITeather permits, at Windsor ; the Tii'' general to nogmore. 11? e 8 ' 1,17 11)(13 Y evening promenade in the Long °4 Stu '314 in Windsor Patti commenced !or the season 4 4 n 1 4.3 Y evening, which waQ very numerously , 1- 1:,,..",1 by all rantA The Band of the !tor Los;ruar,ds arteided n p on 'be ty•c:ision. ht Stockton ot, , ri an Lady STEw Aire Derived . s I will ever "WRY afternoon, and wer's= received The ro es" ccinoristratioti of joy anti .respeci.. they vverevs,Were taken front their oimage,and . _ amid the lotto (Awn in:o :he town by the populac e 1. ti,n,est cheers, rin g i ng o f belts, ,firing of Cal bl e ,,c. After remaining. a short time, the no te t(a!r proceeded to Nl'vnyard, the teat of the , ti e p ii. 11 . V. TEMPEST, being conducted out 0 ei l it ` ()% lin of Stock foil in the same manner as they for Vet " it • Lord STewissi, we tiOdetSlarld , left , handsome sum to purchase refreshments I,lle populace. ne m i h ,,, r ', l At. or C ONVICTS.--This morning, at the . (3 ° '. l tk, 26 weak convicts were removed, in of s I, °I Ca n av an, r front-111)e rilion for the County ll ee4 ire.Y liorS emonger-lane, 10 of whom hail 11,0 beene nv ie;ed of capital offences, but whose cases ,i)o‘v reserved for consideration 1 int r ,,, ,1 4 ,!, 1 " . 1 fur execution at the last Assizes, but .—Lavender, will h i '' vePrieved, was of the ntanhcr. They %':;i••' ere to Portsmouth, wicre a transport is 6 t°ccitvey them to Botany Bay. PARLIA MEN T. HOUSE OP LORDS, MAY 10. The oathl were adm►rinistered to the Bishop of Limerick. Several Private Ilill3 were brought up from the House of Commons, by Lord Polliugton, Sir n. Kynaston Powell, Mr. Pelham, Mr. ‘Vodebouse, L.- , r,1 Stanley, Mr. Mellish, Mr. Powlett, Sir 3 toles Graham, and other Members, and read a first time. The Returns were presented at the Bar from the o:lice of the Clerk ot the Clown and Ifinaper to Iceland, stating the election of thti• Eat I of Del mf,re as a Temporal Peer ot Ireland, in the room of the Earl of deceased. An Account of Ships ordered to be built, in his Majcscy's Dock-yards and elsewhere, was presented by Mr. Finlayson, from the Admiralty. Ordered to lie upon the table. Petitions were presented by the Earl of Lan derd de, from Attornies *)t ,Exeter and Litchfirld, against allokving unqualified persona to practise as Conveyancers ; by Lord Viscount Exmouth, from a town in Devonshire, for a revision of the Crininial Laws; by the Archbishop of York,from the Archdeacon and Clergy of Cmnberlancl, and by the Doke of Newcastle (stating his concur= rence wi►h the petitioners), from East Retford, against the Nomad Catholic Claints.=—Ordered to he upon the table. The Chimney Sweepers' Regulation Bill was read a second time, on the motion of Lora AUCKLAND. The Dispensations I3iii %vas read a second time, on the motion of the Archbishop of CANTERBURY. Adjourned till to-morrow (this day). „ (CO al ,s({! OR 0 Enr at die Hope. s re- ver►' i - to bi ie pro. scorn" or la, j a in a ;eriga!' • three lea v ' e .—Our dcutts K been er an" :raize r on the re s he Vic ogo res. of the we 3" u lives we 1160 c eIIIhI , a ic be P ss to port, ea; tha Ile WA- ilb% s°° ' on (if M erl" of itl em"? City'• )1), iR itle t( 7 4f If 3 jr' fa ng d foroter. 14i 3 Te r In he '"t" rP jo for f r ieng l e esis o a t Is ( 1, f oil bed fI e rg 0_ ql,otl 111 . pan t . ice • e t oc ruin • ,f 1.1( 9 ( t i Cy "'a all ll t ()"(' s pot!' te 01 11#. t reti . f voor sly , bjecte. tor' 4s ok° ia' of I" D b cf let P er ; oroe' er e 5- str ee" ben I-6 ho se, : ply seen 110 VI II c ICC °°ll (001 05 : eir if° r111"e'. a n , 5 i by '" era! °" ,131 9 " 9 l or - 5 t h fori": ms CO" Wi°" it : of PETgaSFIELD AGRICULTURAL SOC!ETY. We notice vvith much satisfaction t! , e annual l'ettirn ° f the General Meeting of this lustitoiion• :rit tl eh ot we te "ne will continue to receive the stip neigilhouring gCountry Gentlemei and Parm ers. It is calculated to produce mach good, and under the auspices of Mr. Norts and Me. A.lll5Nr. f -s'CIMBE 3 Cannot fail to excite a hi g hly bene ficial einnlation among the Subscribers to the society, The (allayi ng are the premiums to he 4dindged to the Candidates at the General Meet- Jilly next Is t• A Piec e Of Kite, Value 5 Guineas. given ~Piiseoutitcss G IGE fur the hest Pen of ten 43°11111 D "ri b.'.ores, n i ne Year old. by 2 ' l . A Piece of Plate, Value 5 Guineas, given tttr). NORRIS, E s S(/. Chairman of this Society, '(;)r the best Pen of ten South Down Ewes, two "rS ()Id . 3 d. A Piece of Pl ate , V a l ue G u i neas , g i ven TuomAs BoNnAm. Etc for the hest Pen of let, Sum!, DU Ewes. .11 , ee Years old. 4 th• A P,e,e of Plate . Vaitic,s Guineas, given 4mes r - f or the best South Down • coT-T .0(1. 6 6 ' 11 • A i); ece Of Plate, Value 4 Guineas, to the Li,, l h er . (4 the hest Pen of ten South Down ~,e tl A Piece of Plate, Value t 3 Guineas, to ' ,l l•;,:st .or 0, hl • A Pi , l • I't Plate, Value 3 Guineas, to the Nrlt .r (I; the hest - 08"). A P let,e of Plate, V!tlite 2 GilirlU.F, to the ( ''er of th e hest hreed;ipz Sow. Picee of Plate, Value 2 Guineas, to the •'!e. best 13,)%r. ti,,v t l'• A I "teirtittin of Half a Guinea, to each of have the care of the Flocks Ai!) Sheep l'rizes. l h he :shepherd who shall have alive on f "I . Joi , e, 1819, the greatest number t d atT 's in the number of Ewes un -er b . ' , •upo, t in t) to 4() tl7e Flock to consist of no less than -," "‘t—Onft Pound. 11 0 19- E. "' T‘ , the second Shepherd of a Flock of 200 Ewes,—Fifteen Shillings. e third Ditto of it Flock of n t less r • T Shillings. t( I, t thserved that n o Shepherd be entitled /ea s ev. e ' !he Pretniunis for rearing Lambs two ; IA '1) xll. siu ce ss i on. ar'rhnrniTn hree Married Labourers in Hits -lllitt have supported themselvesbind ,Fa iil,;(;4'.llle 1.1.“ vu,ir, ending at Lady-day, 1619, j, mitt honest industry, with 3; 3 - ,"" s S~lsin, .Ce ti oni it <- Parish ;to the first 1 ;to ih second 2 GiiiiteaS to the third tol ls , '' " ,-I— N B. Candidates for those Prizes 4 11,1 1 'ail) a Certificate signed by the Minister " I ` Orli: els, of their respective Parishes ; Lthour ers are eligible for the Premiums in a Parish w h ere i n a Subscriber re uae'l,"."-.TO Two Single Men Servants in Hits have cor.inited loolfest iu :hell Ser elieirttliki Pan o b ta i n t ram t h e i r E m pl o y er t h e best 1 " the r:nod Character ; to the nest 2 Guineas ; the N T - 4 coud I Guinea.—Certth;t ates signedby c hes t must b e b r o ught by the Candidates for HOUSE OF COMMONS. This bring the lastddy for the receipt of the Reports of Private Bills, the Speatc(r had inti mated his intention of. taking the Chair as soon after three o'clock as the attendance of ',Members would allow him to do so. The Right Hon. Gentleman, however, did not enter the House till nearly half after three, when be, apologized for his delay,, which he stated to be attributable to the sudden illness of his Secretary. ROYAL. BURGHS. On the motion of Lord A. HAMILTON, the se veral petitions for It&ortn in Scotch Burghs pre sented to the House in the present, and during the last Session, were ordered to be referred to the Select Committee of Inquiry into the abuses in Scotch Burghs. . Mr. Hums presented six petitions from the following places against the Lord Advocate's : the Magistracy of the Burgh of Montrose, the Guiidery ani Traders of the ssme Burgh, from Brechin, Aberdeen, and Dundee.—Ordered to be printed. CALCRAFT presented a petition from the Burgh of Killrenny; (one of the Burghs repre sented by the Lord Advocate) playing for Burgh Itt-forin.—Referred to the Committee; as were also petitions Boni Annan, and the Corporation of Dunilee, for the same object. 'l'lie Country Bakers' Bill`was read a third time and passed. A variety of petitions were presented against the Poor Settlement Bill. BOHOL:Gil OF BARNSTAPLE. Mr. ThatNAL pte'senteci It petition from the Alayor, &c.ot the I.lnrougli of Barnstaple, against any extension of the elective tranchise.—Laid on the thble. INSOLVENT DEBTORS. Lord ALTIP)RPE gave notice, that he would, on the 20th of MAy, move for leave to bring in it Bill for the Relief of Insolvent Deb, ors. Lord EBRINGTON presented a petition from Ti verton, againit the Agricultural Horses Bill.— Laid ou the table. NIERCI-TANT SEAMEN. Lord EBRINGTON brought in a Bill to facilitate the recoi , ery of Merchant Seamen's wages, which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time this dity se'nnight. NEW WRIT. A ne►'.lVrit was ordered tor the Borough of Hythe, in the room of Colonel Taylor, who has accepted the Chiltern Hundrk•d3. COAL Dury. Mr. W. SMITFT presented n petition from 2,000 persons in the City of Norwich, for nn Equa lization on the Duties on Coals.—Laid on the table. A Message came down from the Lords request ing Copies of the first and second Report of 'the Bank Committee, which was complied with. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. Mr. W. SMI,TH presented' a petition from cer tain inhabitants of the City of Norwich, setting forth that neither directly nor indirectly are they represented in Parliament ; that they have nei ther vote nor voice in the choice of any one Mem ber now sitting in Parliament, and praying for such redress as rite House in its wisdom may think proper to extend.—Laid on the table. SCOTCH JURY COURT BILL. Sir A. CAMPBELL presented a petition from the ers of the Signet in Edinburgh, praying to be heard by Counsel against the Scutch Jury Court Bill. The 'Joni) ADVOCATE said he should opPoie the prayer of the petition. It wag rather strange !le thought, that though this Bill was pending in the House since the 10th of March, no petition' had been presented against it until now, when :here was an Order of the Day for its committal. He could not listen to any proposition for lay. The good.effects of Juries in civil cases were now too fully felt in Scotland to allow any doubt to be entertained of their utility : besides the present measure had received the sanction of every Judge in that country. Mr.- W. SMITH thought that the petition might be brought up. Mr_ J. 1 2 . GRANT expressed his surprise at the appearance of a petition from go respectable a body of men, as the undersigned were, against a Bill which was all but passed. He apprehended that their reluest could not be entertained by the House. The Bill 'was a Public Bill, and when the petitioners prayed to be heard by Counsel against it, they should have stated bow far it was 111, elY ailk.ct private intere!ts. tlinugl)t the tneapntre one of the most important benefit! to Scotland, and that its progre-s should not he delayed.---'llse petition was °Meted to lie the table. Lord CASTLEItEAGII postponed a motion for a Bin to extend the Charity School Comntission, standing in the Orders of the DIN', for to-morrow. ARMY ESTIMATEA; On the motion that the Report of the Coill mittee of Supply be brought tip, Sir li. PARNELL rose to oppose the .Resolu tions voting the soros on the Army Estimates, In the present situation of the country, the force now proposed to be maintained W S mix!' more than was necessary for a Pace Establisbnieot. It was the duty of the Noble Lord opposite to make ottt why it was necessary to maintain so large a force. It appeared that the income of the country was at present short of the expenditure by no less a sum than 14,000,000/. stetting. Any person who had read the Report of the Finance Com mittee must see; that taking into consideration every item, the only addition to the income of the Country, during time next year, that could now be calculated on, was about a million and a half. The most perfect tranquillity now reigned, both at home and abroad, yet a large and for midable army Was kept on foot, at an immatise expense. With respect to that part of the vote which related to the maintenance of the army in It eland, it was a question closely connected with the system of civil government in that coun try ; for he was convinced tom the great ansount of the military force now required for that coun try, was owing to the defects of the system of civil government adopted in that parr of ' the kingdom. It had all along been overlooked in the discussions relative to the military force, in Ireland, that the Yeomanry in that country were a species of force peculiarly applicable tool ser viceable for p re - purposes that made the military necessary in that country. The expenses of the Staff department in Ireland were enormous ; ten times as great as that of Scotland. Ireland and Scotland contained as nearly as posSible the same number of acres, yet while the estimates of the Staff department of Scotland was only 1,9001. that for Ireland was 19,0001. The great mistake with respect •to the government of . Ireland was this—that a system of conciliation in the Go vernment hatl not been pursued. Every thing was done by force in the Government of Ire land, and the consequence was, the maintenaoce of the great military force now required for that country. Colonel DAVIES said he entirely agreed whit the opinion of the lion. Bart, who had just sat down. The military force now proposed was of an extent unexampled in the annals of our history, He was convinced that a lunch smaller number of men than was mentioned in the.estimates would be sufficient for all the military service now re• quired. But as be was not in possession of the necessary offirial documents, he was not prepared to say to what extent a reduction in the number of men was practicable. He was, however, now ready to show to the House, that even without reducing the numbers there might be a clear sav ing to the country of 120,0001. On the cavalry, he thought there might he a saving to the extent of 30,0001. and on the infantry of 90,0001. As to the cavalry, lie contended that the number of officers and non-commissioned officers now at tached to every 36 men, were quite competent to mapage and driil 54 men. By making this alter ation, and some others less important, he was convinced a saving to - the extent which he had mentioned might be easily made. As to . the infantry, he contended,, by diminishing the number of battalions, and diminishing the num ber of Officers and Non-commissioned Officers its proportion to the number: of Privates, in. the same manner as he had mentiolved With respect to the cavalry. He was aware that it would be ob jected to this plan of diminishing the expense, that in case a war suddenly broke out, It would occasion a greater difficulty in raising a disci plined army for service. But it it .was re quired suddenly to .increase the establishment, even on his plan, the cavalry might be almost immediately increased by 10,000 men; and the infantry by 16,000. :Comparing the. amount of the military force now maintained in the filth year Of peace after the American .War, it was three times greater. As to what he had said on Friday, relative .to the Military College, he had been a good deal misunderstood. His objections to that establishment were by nomeans to the sessior department of it, but ou;', , junior'. Being aware . of the lea a ~ieation in which the Officers - ofthe Arn , y',sete now placed, nothing but a .sense of the distressed :situation of the people of the kingdom at large could induce Ilion to propose. any .thing which, would go to diminish their prospects of professional vancement. He concluded by, moving as an amendment, that instead of 258,0001, being granted by the first Resolution on the Estimates, the sum of 138.0001. be substituted. Lord PALMERSTON said, no man could be more . sensible than hirnself.of time necessity, .in time pre sent situation of the country, that the Military Establishment should be fi,xed at the lowest scale of force ow: expense :which was consistent with safety. But it. appeared to hint, that the Hon. Meteber who spoke last had very touch overrated the extent of the saving, and onder-rated the in conveniences attending his plan. Upois the re etartoce'of hustilit.ies, bow could the force be increased on the HonoUrable Gentleman's plan, without raising battalions amd new corps There were many stations in the West Indies of such a mouse, that it the amount of the regiments was unWiehly, it would be exeeediugly , difficult to break it up, in such a way as to distribute it among these stations. Ott the other baud, if the plan of the lion. Centleman was adopted, the in convenience, in case of a new war, would be most serious. - But even upon that plan it would be impossible to save more than 31,0001. If it were adopted, it must be considered that there would he the unattached pay of General Otli- Cers—half-pay 10 Officers reduced—increased al lowances to Captains—increased expenses of Agency, &c. bring in the whole au expense of 114,0001. Besides this, there would be an int hiediate expense of 14,0001. in carrying the plans into execution. When the inevuvenieuces of Vie plan were considered, and the amount of the im media:c expense of carrying it into execution, the saving ot 31,0001• conk! be no inducement to adopt it. , The one Officer to each troop and company enabled 32,000 men to be raised almost immediately, in ease of the sodden occurrence of a war. The difference ot ex pense in raising these 32,000 on the present plan, by adding tkern to the establishment, and in raising them by new regiments anti battalions, on the Hon. Gentleman's plan, would be no less than '330,0001. .These statements, be thought, would be, sufficient to show how inexpeuient it would , h, 'o adopt that plan. An objection had been made to the sep,Tarion of the office of Se cretary at War front that of Paymaster-General. and Comptroller of Army Accounts, hilt it pro ceeded on a mistake or ignorance of the duties of these offices. The Payinaster-General was a re sponsible office, under the cheek and controul of the Secretary at War; and it they were united, it would he the union of discordant duties in one public officer., anti making the same person both accountant and examiner of his.own accounts. — As to' the Comptroller or Army Accounts, the same observation was applicable, As to the ob jections to the Military College, they were Wl fonnded. Stich an establishment could not be more rropetly conducted than under the direction of 'Such an experienced Officer as the gallant Genetal (Sir Alexander Hope) who now , go veined it. Sir Fl. PS RNELL explained. _ _ . Mr. Cs GRANT (Chief Secretary for Ireland), after vindicating the military arrangement, rev ed the resolution of Government to embrace every opportunity-for retrenchment, • by the abo liths of the important office of Secretary at War for Ireland. A' \EW MEMBER ridiculed the insinuations of the gallant Officer, that the - army would be con siderably increased, consequently the expellee increased also, by the number of Officers' servants. - Cohied Davies explained. • Mr. J. P. GRANT condemned the Resolutions, - because Government had not reduced the army to that moderate system which their professions of economy taught the public to expect. The plan enumerated 23 Regiments of Cavalry, and 91 of infantry, as the proposed Peace t'stablislinteot.. This seheme exceeded that of former Peace Esta blishments by 15 regiments. Had the reduction recommended been adopted, there would not only have been a great saving to the public, but there would have:been a force sufficient to resist any sudden attack, or to have provided against any sudden rupture. The Hon. Mi•mber could not suffer the Resolutions to pass, without entering t his protest. The Peace Establishment ought not to have exceeded that of Mr. Pitt in 1791. Gen tlemen ought to look to what they are about to sanction, and not allow themselves :o be misled by specious appearances. The Hon. _,lertsber be lieved- that there were Gentlemen tow in the House who were'Members the time mention ed. He called upon them to vote against such a large Establishment, as opplessive to the coon try, when our finances were in such a deplorable state. -Government acted fallaciously .when . they pretended to support plans of economy: The pre sent illilitgry Establishment contradicted all their declarations • in favour of retreochment. Year after year they bad been told that the army would be reduced to the lowest Peace Establishment. But the Resolution of that night negatived the declaration of Government.---(" Question, ques tion, question !" resounded from several parts of the House.)—The 'Hon. Member, regardless of the interruptiOns, said, that it was a very lustros-- tant question indeed. It was of such vast magni: tide to the revenue and to the people, that he (Mr. Grant - ) would not be surprised to find the Noble Lord - come down again to the House to acknow ledge his error, and to propose a further reduc tion.—(Question, question !)--Whatever nions'Geolemen entertained on the subject, he should think it his duty to ewer I -is prinest. - Mr. GOULBURN thought that all the items or resolutions of the Army Estimates had aheady been fully end satisfactorily discussed. He, therefore, could not help expressing Isis surprise, that the Hon: Member (Mr. J. P. Grant) should come down to the House to vent general declaims tions,without going into particulars,or calling upon any individual' to explain to hint the reason for voting the resolutions now about to be submitted to the House. The inferences which ! e was pleased o draw between the establishment of 1792, and n - 1, , .1, were injudicious and oilcan rTh, totale different. The Hon. Member —ktoi if ac;' other than th e Hun. Gentleman ~ eouhl be bold or rash etiOugh to maintain ei-,-!ent peace establishment ought to 'oe - by that of 1792 ? A considerable augmeatailon was at this period requisite. He was ready to assign lily reasons for the augmentation ; but he beli,:ved it would be mmecessary to detain the House by such explanation. With all deference to the Hon. Member, he would rake the libetty to recommend to hint on the next discussion of a question to come forward with more candour, and to allcivir Government some Peace Establishment adequate to the defeOce of the country. The Hon. Mem ber concluded by affirming, that it would be a waste of time, if not en act of impossibility, to offer solid arguments against general assertions, The questions was then pot, and the resolution carried --On the readiug of the resolution, Colonel DAVIES censurer! -Mieisters for their wanton expenditure of the public money. He insisted, that " while Goveruerent were provids, ing against the chance of a future war, the coun try Was going to ruin." •Lord PALMERSTON' explained the statement on which the Resolution then before the House was founded—that a reduction of five regiments of cavalry, and fifteen regiments of infamy, would be a saving to the amount of 175,7501.-s. His Lordship entered into a further explanation of t he system now proposed, by stating Cost the Ser ge ant-Majors, &c. &c. were entitled by half , • pay to 80001. With regard to obtaining . 11AtAl at a cheaper rate as they were disbanded, he hoped (knif e men would recollect, that when such me:) were disbanded they became immediately free, and, co nsegiseut ly, Government was ohligel to treat with them as with the community at harp. The 32 regitueuts, or 32,000 WWI VW..