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Standing that said to prevail, namely, that the Ca tholic Question, under his Government, shall be left to its own merits—has any foundation in truth. From the only reason given by Mr. Peel for not kting under Mr. Canning (for he did not objea to act wit 4 him), it is quite evident how formidable a n ..enine he considers this patronage, when withdrawn from the support of his own particular views upon this subject. Doubtle , ;a the Member for Oxford Lai acquired thin experience from an intimate knowledge of the motives of his own constituent: ; and althonA - his open avowal of it is but little complimentary to them, they (to use a common phrase) will not he sirate to pocket the affront. One or two names have been mentioned -ince the return of the opponent': of Emancipation to office, as expectants of promotion to Deaneries, Bishoprics, &e &e,, who have made a great noise in the pact: as the loudest yelpers of she beastly .‘ No Popery" cry. Should these indivi duals unfortunately gain their ends, we shall have - every hungry priest who pants for preferment pros tituting his pulpit with the ravings of intolerance. We trust, that the Gallant Duke, however squeamish about the term " guarantee," will not disappoint the public by departing from the principle which it hag been thus supposed he has laid down for his con duct. If, however, he should do so, we regret that we cannot threaten him, after what has passed, with the probability of any of his present colleagues aban doning him. They all appear to deem their own individual services of such immense importance to the ccuntry, that their pyre patriotism leads them (contrary to what has formerly taken place under similar circumstances) to sacrifice all the minor but personal considerations of honour, gratitude, and c onsistency, to the safety of the State, which they evidently think would be endangered by their dere liction of place. The nation hag hitherto been slow in discerning the true springs that have regulated their movements.--Morning Chronicle. S'::;.COND EDITION. SUN OFFICE, Quarter last Nine. IMPERIAL PA RLI HOUSE OF LOlif,S. Earl SPENCER presented petitions from the following ;daces, praying for the repeal of the Test and Corporation :acts:—From Welford ; Swanburn, in Buckinghamshire; Fordam, in Essex ; Titchfield ; Cardegan ; Cardiff Ever den ; and of Union-street, in the Borough of Southwark. The Bishop of CHICHESTER presented a similar pe iition from the City of Chichester. • CAWDOR also presented a petition to the Caine effect from Csermarthen. • petitions were presented by Lord KING, from 'Denham, io the county of Essex ; Lime RPgia, Dorsetshire ; an:rord, in, Cambridge; New Court Chapel, Carey-street. fields; Castle-street Chapel ; Abergavenny ; New Road i;:hapel, St. George's in the. East ; Tenterden, in Kent ; Rochdale, in Lancashire ; Gloucester ; Newton Abbott ; Hatfield ; Broadoaks ; Brixham, in Devonshire ; Parish Auhin's, in the Isle of Jersey ; a Parish in Flintebire ; the Baptist Alerting-house in Little Alie-street, Goodman's. ; and from several other places. Go the motion of Lord WLIARINCLIFFE, Lord nacre added to the Committee on the Game Laws. M r . parkhonse, for' the India House, brought up the 4th Report of the Tanjore Cnmmic , innprs, and the' -tth of tas Mysoro Commissioners Tierney, from the Tax Office, brought up a Return of the Salary and Emoluments of the Beceiver-Generll of Tneir Lord3liips tlien adjourned. HOUSE OF COVAIO'sN:S. In eta-ice:per:ie.,. of the general expeetutinn that the debate evniing he unusually interesting, al I the a -, eunet to the House were crowded at early hour by per t:lm a. , ..xiatis to procure ailmis , inn to the gallery. The ntnnher of Meinhe.ra present was alio very large. Mr. TIERNF.Y, front the Tax Office, presented an ac eouot of the Slimy and Erooluntenti of the Receiver-. 7ieneral of Exeter. Mr, MAYLIEW presented a' statement of the Atreonnts - 4:f the Imperial Gas and Coke Company. On the motion of Lord ITOTI-lAM, the Ayr and Calder Canal P.M was read a first time. LITTLETON 14T-ought in a Bill for the iMprov. , . rc,ent.of the town of Stafford, which was read a firgt time: Mr, LIDDEL brought up the report of the Committee on the North Shields Improvement Bill, —Leave given n bring in the Bill. Mr- OWES WILLIAMS brought up the report on a gin for making a Bead near Beaumatin, Isle of Anglecea.--- Lahl nn the table. • LIVERPOOL STEAMERS. General CI.A.SCOYNE brought gp the report of the Committee cr rite Liverpool Steam Vessels Bill, and leave was given to otwopt Steam-boats trading to and from Li verpool, from pilotage dues. 3f r; ROBERT KING brought up a petition from the Catholics of Cove (County Cork) in favour of Catholic Emancipation, and complaining of the Vestry and subletling Acts. The lion. Gentleman also preSented similar peti tions from Macromp. Kilshannick, and Kilvnliea, all in the i r ,,,,„tc a Cork. —Ordered to be printeil; • • CORPORATION‘ AND TEST ACTS. Mr. W. brought up a petition from the Stmdent, , and Tutors of Homerton College, for the Repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts ; anti similar petitions from the :Meeting House at Hackney ; the Protestant Dis sensers of Kentish Town ; front the Dissenters of Union-street in the Borough ; from the Dissenters of the town of Bridgend ; from the Dissent rs of the town of Ilastings ; from the Dissenters of the New-road Chapel, flrighton. Ordered to he printed. 3fr. M. A. TAYLOR presented similar petitions from the, Di3senters of the towns of Durham, Stocton.,mon-Tees and w a p,ingharn, in the county of Durham. The Hon. Member s tated that his opinion was always faVoivrable to repeal of the Corporation and Test Acts. Colour! POWEL presented a petition from the Malsters of Cavdingan, for the repeal of the Malt Acts. Mr. ST,XNLEV presented a petition from Preston for tl,erepeal of the Test anti Corporation Acts, Mt. BORRADAILE presented a similar petition from the Dissenters of Newcastle-under-Lyne. Sir C. COLE presented similar petitions from Swansea. Ordered to be printed. Colonel DAVIS moved that there be /aid before the House an account of the distribution of the Royal Waggon Train. Ordered. Col. DAVIS pr e s e nted a petition from Worcester, for &weal of the Test and Corporation Acts. Lord W. RUSSELL presented a similar petiOn, from Tayistock. Sir J011". 4 NEWPORT presented a petition from the o f the parishes in the county of Waterfoil, in far aur of Catholic F-mareipation. Sir joi/ N NEWPORT presented a petition from the in Waterfo r d, prav i ry that the Chamber of C oligner", laws relating to the Butter Trade should be cOO-olidated. Ordered to he printed. Sir JOHN NEWPORT presented a petition from the terford, emPlailling of the Chamber of Commewe, Wa defective state of the Admiralty Cour in Irela m l. t Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from the Dissenting Congregation of the 01(1 Jewry Chapl, for the Repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts. Mr. EASTHOPE pre sented a similar Pet ;on from s;ir C. MORGAN presented a similar Pe; ,n from N ew p o rt, County of Monmouth. Sir .1, KNox presented a Petition front thy' of Newry, in favour of Catholic Emancipation. ith , 7 , table. Ik-It. PHILLAX'S presented a Petition from t:Avcrio-ci West, in favour of the Repeat of the Test and Corpotatiou Actg. —Laid on the table. Mr. TALBOT presented a similar Petition from the Borough of Warwick. REPEAL OF THE MALT ACT. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from the Malsteis of the County of Gloucester ; and a similar Nti lion from the Maliters of the city of Gloucester for the Re peal of the Malt Acts. M. HART DAVIS presented a petition from ,he Maltsters cf Bristol, against the Malt Act. Mr. WATSON TAYLOR presented a petition ft , ,ni the Protestant Dissenters of Devises, for Ow ropeal of the Test and Corportion Acts, Mr. SPRING RICE presented a petition from I.vo parishes in the county of Derry, and in the county of Dublin, in favour of the Catholic Claims. Mr. SPRING RICE presented a petition from bury in favour of the repeal of the Tot and Corpor,lt:on Arts. Mr. C. PALLMER presented a petition from the Mit stets of Surrey, against the Malt Act. Mr. WOOLRICH WIIITNIORE moved for returns of the Exports to the East indie3, from January, 1824, to January, 1827. _ _ _ Mr. P. THOMPSON presented a petition from 17:;1k stow., Kent, for the repeal of the Te=t and Corporation Acts.—Laid on the table. Mr. CAMPBELL moved that there he laid before tha Ho'iae Returns of the quantity of Barilla and Pearl Ash im ported into Li•;rrpool in the years 1624, 182.5, 1826, .:nd 1927.—Ordered. Mr. J.IDDRLL presented petitions frem Radnor and other placesf praying for the repeal of the Test and Corpo- retion Actß. Lord JOHN RUSSELL gave notice that he should postpone his motion for the repeal of the Test and Corpo ration Acta until Tuesday, the 26th inst. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN presented a petition ftom the Proteetant Dissenters of Hackney praying for a ropea of the Test Acts. Mr. ROBARTS preient2d a petin from Maid toue. Mr. GUEST presented similar petitions from parishes in Brecknotk and Carnarvonshire. On the motion of the Earl oC SHAFTESBURY, the transfer in Aids Bill, and the Exchequer Bills Bill, were read a third time and passed. Lord WHARNCLaFFE moved, that an humble address be presented to his Majesty, praying that the last report of the National Vaccine Institution, made on the 14th inst., be laid before the House.—Ordered. Sir THOMAS ACKLAND presented similar petitions from parishes in the county of Devon. Lord NUGENT presented a petition from the Baptist congregation of Watford, in Buelingliain, praying for the repeal of all religions Tests. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON presented a similar peti tion from the Protestant Dissenters of East Cheap. SUPPLY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose and moved the Order of the Day, for the House resolving it• self into a Committee of Supply. Mr PARKIIOUSE from the India House, brought up a fourth Report of the Tanjore Commissioners, and the ?Ath of the Mysore Commissioners. Lnrd NOTIMANBY rose to ask an explanation from the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. An opportunity had already been given of affording an explanation which it . _ was understood would have been given. But that opportunity having passed away without any explanation, he trusted he would be excussed in pursuing the course he had adopted, because he haul really no personal enmity, and believed he was doing the greatest kindness to the Right non. Gent. oppo site in renewing the opportunity that had so passed away. He had stated that he had no uncompromising feel ing of hostility towards the present Government; but be thought himself fully entitled to demand that expla nation which, he considered the public entitled to reeive. The first question, he should ask, was the cause which led to the dissolution of the late Cnvernment : and the next point on which he wished for information—and the most important to the public—lvas the principles on which the present Government was formed. We under stood from report that Lord Goderich had said, the cause of the dissolution was a difference beiween the late Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite ; hut that aftertwards in an interview between Ford Code rich and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the latter Gen tleman expressed himself perfectly satisfied. When the R.. Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Huskisson) volunteered an explanation at Liverpool of the breaking up of the last. Government, which he (Lord Nnrmanby) thought quite unnecessary, it appeared a singular thing that the Right Honourable Gentleman should have omitted all mention of this (pare), which was said to he the Immediate cause of the dissolution. As to the peineiples on whick the present Government was formed, he had read the Cight Honourable Gentleman's explanation with the greatest attention, and some parts of it with the sincerest pleasure. He had always looked up the Right Hon Gent. as a public benefactors—or one of the first practical reformers. The reports he had read in the London papers of what the Right Honourable Gentleman bad stated at Liverpool, he was bound to say, bore a,. much the appearance Of internal truths as any reports he had eve; read, and looking at Reporters who were so responsible for the discharge of their duty—so notorious for their extraordinary talent ! and so exemplary for their regard to 'honesty; and moreover, so free from aii political bias, it was utterly isnpossible such a 9et of men should have conspired to misrepresent She Right lionniaralde Gentleman should not have said thus much, but that last night a country Paper—the Liverpool Albion—was put into his hands, purporting to represent the speech of the Right Honourable Gentle man, but which could only be looked upon as a garbled extract, leaving out many important parts of the speech, and which his Lordship would not presume to think had been corrected by the Right lion, Gentleman himself.— If the Right Bon. Gentleman placed his reliance upon those Members of the late Cabinet, and considered them as guarantees, in that cage be must be aware that he had also ronnter guarantees. The Noble Lord then proceeded to quote from the sgeeeh of the Duke of Wellington, in the Howie of Lords, that part in which lits Grace stated that which be supposed Mr. Iluskisson might have said to his constituents at Liee,rpool, to the effect that the persons who were in office with him were a sufficient guarantee to him to him for the perseverance in the measures of the late Cabinet. He (Lord.Normanby,) was quite sure that the Right Hon. Gentleman had never said that which his Grace bad assumed him to have said, and if he had not said so he now called upon him to state that which he did say.—(Hear, hear.)—ft would be hardly fair to the Right Honourable Gengleman if he did not state his motives for wishing to have the explanation for which he asked. The three points to which the Right Hon. Gentlema n had alluded in his speech at Liverpool, were, the. question of Catholic Emancipation, the commercial policy of the country, and the foreign policy also. His (Lord Normanby's) opinion was, that the present constitution of the Government was unfavour able to the Catholic question, When he saw the on the Ministerial benches a Right Hon. Gentleman (Me. Peel), svho well known to be the most powerful opponent of those he could come to no other canclusion.—(Cheers.) .He did not mean to say that any unfair means would be used in t he disposal of the Government patronage ; but at the same time it was obvious that patronage would be likely to follow in the channel of power ; and with regard to tba Colonial policy, he had no doubt that the greatest advantage must accrue by the Right lion. Gent.'s remain ing in the Administration, hut as regarded the commercial policy of the late Cabinet, it owed its success chiefly to‘the support g iven; oit by his (Lord Manby'e) side of the House, and i nol been counteracted by most of those Perseus with w0,..1 he was now connected, is the present Administration. The Noble Lord then al -1 l eluded to the amendment vu the C9ril L ws, proposed the Duke of Wellini tended either that tha. ehe that both were The Right :flonow._ that most of the Members belong f.rtt Cabinet were opposed to his views. On that ques tion, in the Home of Lords all had voted for that amend- meat, and therefore some explanation was necessary. With regard to the foreign policy, he must say that he re garded the Speech from the Throne at being by no means so cordial and gracious in its tone as that of the Frehch King's, he conld not also feel gra tified at the cold manner in which acquiescence had been given to the treaty alluded to by the present Minietry. He denied that the inference could he drawn, that Mr. Canning's policy, was tne same as Lord Liverpool's, and the assertion, that it was an would be received with the greatest astonishment in avery caf6 and Cabinet in Eu rope. The Noble Lord felt happy in concurring with the universal rogret occasioned by the lamented death of Mr. Canning.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—Hie party wos scattered to the winds.—(Applause from all parts of the House.) —lf within one yerr after his death his name could not he mentioned in the Cabinet over which he presi&d, or if mentioned, could only lead to discord, thereby his death might well be considered a nalional calamity.._ The Honourable Gentleman concluded by thanking the House for the attention with which he hdd been heard. Mr. HUSKISSON commenced in a low tone of voice. Having thanked the Noble Lord who bed just sat down for having made the call he (Mi. H.) expected since his return from Liverpool to London, addressed the House to the following effect :—Sir, at the same time that I sin cerely rejoice that an opportunity has been now afforded me of entering into an explanation of my conduct in connection with the breaking up of the late, and the formation of the present Ministry, I may say that I offer myself to the notice of the House, under feelings of difficulty and anxiety greater than I have ever before experienced in the course of my public life. If, Sir, no other interest attached itself to the transaction which lam about to relate, than the protection of the private character and honour of an individual humble as myself, I well know from long experience that the indulgence this House is in the habit of extending to all Honoura ble Members, will not be witheld from me under the present cirenmstancee.—(Cheers.)—But, Sir, when the object of the inquiry relates to the conduet of a public man—and I there agree with the Noble Lord opposite, that the cha racter of a public man is publlic property, and the more especially so, if the public man at the time he ad dresses you holds, as I now, by the gracious favour of my Sovereign, a seat in the Councils of my Sovereign, which imposes on me the discharge of one of the most im portant offices in the State—l say, that from that mo ment the question ceases to be one of individual interest, hut becomes a question of public interest and public importance, and it is upon that ground I claim from the kind attention of the House—that indulgence, which I am sure I shall receive, and which every gentleman possessed of right feelings, will apart from political opinions, I am satisfied, extend to me.—(Cheers.) —Sir, before I proceed to answer any of the questions put by the Noble Lord, or to advert, in any degeee, to the subject under discussion, I trust I may be allowed to state without reserve, and without qualification, that since my return from Liverpool to London, I have nei ther directly nor indirectly had any communication with any of my Noble or Right Hon. Friends who form a part of the present Administration, either in reference to what I have been reported to have said at Liverpool, or what any of them have said elsewhere, or in reference to the observations which I am now about to address the House. —I wish this to be clearly understood and I trust that every Hon. Member will do me the justice to hear in mind, during the course of the hbservatiuns which I abut! addres to the House, that whatever impression these obsorvatirns may make upon the House, whatever may he the consequences of thtm, that I alone am resposible. I assure my Right lion. Friends that that it was not from any want of confidence, or reliance upon them that I have abstained from entering into such communications upon the subject, hut I slid so became I felt by doing that I might expose them and myself to the suspicion of casting our parts and preparing our notes. In what I am now to state to the House I shall not enter upon any transactions which occurred between the period of my return to England, and the period at which the Noble Lord opposite took up the enquiry, namely, that period when the name of the Noble Lord (Member for Northampton) was first introduced. I believe, indeed, I know, although I cannot state the precise date that some some time about the middle of last November, my Nobie Friend (Lord Goderich), then at the head of the Administration, in talking to me casually ene morning upon the subject stated that my Right Hon Friend, the Master of the Mint had suggested to him that it would he desirable to ask Lord Althorp whether he would be disposed to accept the Chair on the Committee of Finance. Lord Goderich then told me that in the conversation he had had with his Right Honourable Friend the Master of the Mint, he (Lord G.) had stated that from his habits of intercourse with the Noble Lord, he should be rejoiced to see his talents made useful in that or in any other situation. But, as the question of Finance was one which would originate in this House, he would rather the subject should be consi dered by these Members of the Administration who had seats in this House. Lord Goderich didnot ask my opinion, upon the subject, he merely stated what passed and added that he considered the Noble Lord, from his inclination to business, possessed talents which would render him a valuable Member of a Committee of Finance. 1 certainly, at the time, expressed some doubts upon the subject, but those doubts did not apply to the fitness of the Noble Lord as a Member of the Committee, for upon that point there could be no difference of opinion as all who have known the Noble Lord, and have observed the talent which he has displayed in the management of public business, must be aware that he has directed his attention to questions the most likety to come under the consideration ofLa Committee of Finance. This communication of my Noble F.iiend was an incidental and not a formal commu nication, and I now beg leave to state that my Noble Friend did not say to me whether or not he had made a simil-r communication to any other Member of the Go vernment, nor did he authorize me to make any such commhnication. In a few days after at a Cabinet dinner, indeed after thedinner was over, and we-were about to part for the evening ; my Right Hon. Friend, the Master of the Mint, asked me whether I turned in my mind I the conversation which I had had with Lord G. ? I replied that I bad ; and that upon the whole, whatever might have been my first impression, I was inclined to the opinion that it would he for the advancement of the public interests to endeavour to procure the services of the Noble Lord. That conversation I considered to be such as may pass between two gentlemen acting togeter upon matters relating (0 objects which it Was the common desire of both to forward. This conversation between me and my Right Hon. Friend, passed on the 19th of November. Some days after this Lord Goderich told me that he heard from nos Right Hon. Friend that he had sounded the Noble Lord the Member for Northamptonshire, and there I again think that my friend had taken the proper course by telling the Noble Lord at the head of the Government what happened , I did not then hear that my Right Hon. Friend had any authority to make the communication, and I again, for the first time told my Noble Friend what had passed between me and my Right Hon. Friend on the 19th. My Noble Friend asked if the Chancellor of the Exchequer was in formed that this measure was then in contemplation, or whether my communication was made to him on the subject ? I answered that I did net know, a nd that I was not authorised to make any communication to him. I really took it for granted that the matter was mentioned to him in the same casual manner it was men ' tinned to me ; lint, upon my finding such was not the , fact, I said it was an oversight, but not au oversight of mine; and an oversight for which I did not hold myself responsi ble, I th en told m y Noble Friend, that I would under- Rig) and myself, and up to that time I am bound to state as my Noble Friend has stated in another place that my Hon. Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, took entirely the same view of the matter as I myself took of it.—(Loud and repeated cheers.)—He having been engaged for some time in the discussion of some other matte: - s, my . Right Honourable Friend, the Master of the Mint, accidentally called upon nee—l say accidentally, as I did not expect, or had any reason to suppose that he would have called upon me : but when he called. I begged hint to come in, and I then afated to him what had passed between myself and the Chancellor of the Exche quer. My Right Hon. Friend the Master of the Mint said lo me, as I was about gni ng to Brighton I called on you to talk upon the subject of the Finance Committee. My two Right lion. Friend's than entered into general conver sation respecting the questions to be brought before the Committee, the setvices which the country had a right to expect from their labours, and a variety of other mat ters—and each of my Right Honourable Friends did what I had never done—they looked over their lists of the Committee—comyared them together, and they, in fact seemed to me to have advanced the business very considerable•. On the next day the Chancellor of the chequer expressed a wish to tee ea.!, and I think at that in terview, that he had some reason for differing from the view he had taken the day before, as to the mode of tilline the chair; and I also understood from him that the proposal for placing the Noble Lord opposite in the chair was matter of conversation about town, and that the names of other individuals appointed on the Committee, were in circulation, and that he thought great unconvenience, would crise from such publicity. He expressed his regret at the circumstance, and heard his statement with regret. What I could do, under these circumstances, I did. I got the letter late in the day, and I immediately wrote to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, expressing my regret at hearing that the reports alluded to were current, and assuring him that I should exert myself to prevent any improper or unnecessary disclosure of matters which I certainly felt ought not to be discussed, except among the Gabinet. It shews the spirit in which I acted, and on the very same day, and with as:little delay as possible, sent a copy of that letter to my Right Honourable Friend to Brighton. This was on the 29th Nov., and on the 2d November I got an answer from Brighton, in which my Right Hon. Friend stated that he felt as strongly as I could the objections of having matters of this nature discussed, except among ourselves he agreed with me that the question had not gone further than this, that the Noble Lord was at perfect liberty to fill the choir of the Finance Committee if he pleased. A latter was written to the Nokie Lord, desiring to know whether he would undertake the duty of Chairman, in the event, of his being appointed to it. The answer of the Noble Lord was to the effect, that if his Right Hon. friend should do him the honour to propose his name, he would not feel indisposed to obey the wishes of the House. This (continued Mr. Huskisson) clearly implies that up to that moment it was a mere matter of conversation—(Hear, hear)---that there was nothing to prevent the Noble Lord from refusing to fill the Chair, or to prevent the appointment of any other Hon. Member from being proposed. On the day on which I got this answer from Brighton, I put it into the hands of the Chancellor of the F. ,chequer, and he returned it without comment or observation. This was the whole of the correspondence, and it eertainly left on my mind the impression that the entire matter was of the most trifling and un important character ; that the Chancellor had fancied, perhaps, that he had received some slight—unintentional it most certainly was ; but if intentional, one which, after some explanation and assurance* of what the fact really was, had qnite faded away from his recol lection, I fancied that I had had the good fortune to restore all to good humour, and I can assure the house that I regarded the matter as entirely at an end. This brings us to the 2d December, between that day (the 2d December) and the 26th of December, I heard not otte'sVord more--- , Hear, hear, hear, and loud cheers.)— ~ - —Whetlosr (continued the Right Hon. Gentleman) any• thing passed on the subject among others he knew not, but certainly nothing happened in his (Mr. IL's) presence.— But between those periods circumstances which were public, and others which it would be a breach of confidence to di vulge happened, which tended materially to impair the strength, and shake the stability of his Majesty's Govern ment, On the 2"3 , 1 December, he (Mr. H.) left town on a visit to his Noble Friend, Lord Palmerstone, and so firmly resolved was he to meet whatever diffi culties might present themselves during the Session of Parliament, that he did, by word of mouth to some, and by letters to others, declare his de termination, whatever might be the risk of failure, which if it did occur, must be attributed to his inability, not to shrink from his struggle. Whilst at Lord Palmer ston's he received a letter form Lord Goderich to the pur port already stated by the Noble Lord, and containing conditional tenders of resignation on the part of the Chan (Tiler of the Exchequer, if the appointment of Lord Althorp to the Chair of the Committee were persevered in. Lord (ioderich left him (Mr. Huskssson) at liberty to com municate the contents of this letter to Lord Palmerston ; and he now appealed to that Noble Lord, whether, what ever chance there might have existed of csnductina• the affairs of that House through the Session, did not then declare that that chance was at an end, as he could no longer look to that cordial co-operation upon which they had relied.— He, in consequence, waited on Lord Goderich, and opened his mind. Ile told him that the question as to who should, or who should not be Chairman of the Committee, on its being duly and fairly considered as an abstract question was a mere nothing.—that with all his respect for the talent and industry of the Noble Lord (Althorp) he felt there were many others in the House capable of discharging the duties with as much benefit to the coun try, but that from the moment he had understood the ques tion to be settled, he could not bring himself to recede from the point. He felt that if there should be any conces sion, it must necessarily lower his character, that it must subject him to be taunted out of doors and in that House. That in fact any departure from that compact, or at all events, understanding, which existed on the subject, would exhibit such weakness on his port as effectually to deprive him of any little influence hee might hitherto possess. (Cheers) On the 29th a Cabinet was summoned on matters of great importance. He (Mr. II.) waited that morning on his Noble Friend Lord - Goderich, and Informed him that he no longer considered himself a ttnetuber of his Majesty's Government, and that he had tendered to the King his resig nation. Lord Goderich replied that if he (Mr. H.) resigned, his Lord Goderich's Government was at an end, for that he would not continue in power without him (Mr. Ilus kisson) and that if he determined to resign, the Cabinet was necessarily and indispensibly dissolved. Lord Goderich requested that he (Mr. H.) should suspend his determination for some, and not send the letter he had written to Wind sor. He (Mr. H.), acquiesced in this suggestion, , and in the mean time had an interview with the Marquis of Laos downe, who thought, that though his (Mr. Huskisson's) resignation Would !steak up the Government, the resig nation of the Chancellor of the Exchequer minght not have the save effect.—(Hear, hear.)--Under these con siderations, he (Mr. IL) postponed his intended resignation or a few days, and, on the Ist of Jan. he wrote to Lord Goderich to inqoire from him whether lie had learned from Mr. Henries, that he persisted in his resignation. Matters remained in this situation for some days, in "'se quence of the arrival of the Infant of portngal in this country and his proposed visit to 'Windsor. On the Sth Jan., however, it was understood that Lord Goderich went to Windsor, and laid before the King the difficulties he found in carrying on the Administration, and in justice to his Noble Friend (Lord Goderich), he was bound to say that he believed he had fairly and fully stated to his Ma jesty all th e diffi cu lti es w ith w hich he was encountered. It had been i ns i nua t e d th a t h e , Mr. IL) afto' receivin g a communicati on f rom L o rd Lansdowne , in confidence, took occasion to make use of that confidence to prevent an ap plication being made to Lord Lansdowne. On the con trary his, (Mr. H.'s) lips were sealed from the time he had the communication with Lord Lansdowne, and he might . appeal to his Noble Friend (Lord Carlisle), whether ' lie had not cautiously avoided mentioning' the name of the Noble Lord (Lansdowne), except to his own' friends, lest the confidential communi cation made by his Lordship should transpire, and become known to the Noble Duke, who was en • gaged in forming .the Ministry, or any of the other individuals who were interested in forming tie present And he could. confidently appeal to the sable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Tierney), one of the Members of the late Go whether he had not used every exertion to the injury of his health and many etner thingi that he held dear to keep the Cabinet together as it then existed in union arid strength. He should now come to what the Noble Lord was pleased to call the much more important part, - l'efitl which he also certainly thought tho much more important part—namely, an explanation of what he was reported to have said at Liverpool respecting his come munication with the Duke of Wellington, upon the constitution of the present Gove.nment. He did not expect the Noble and Learned Lord would have sunk into an animadversion which had been made upon him in another place, by talking of gratuitous explanations, and so on; and supposing that he had made unnecessary explanations to his constituents. The same remark he was sorry to say with something of a sneer, had been made in another place.—(Hear, hear. )—Notwithstand ing, however, the great respect he bad for the great constitutional verdict, not of the Noble Lord opposite, but of the distinguished individuals to whom he referred, he still must retain what might be considered, amongst some, an obsolete idea—that when a Member of that House accepted office front She Crown, in consequence of whish, he vacated his sent, that when he offered himself again to those who had before reposed confidence in him to solicit their support. He thought it very natural accord ing to the old doettine, that he should give an explanation as hc thought his constituents had not only a right to demand, but which he had almost said, it was a duty on their part to have demanded. He knew that he had been called a theorist, but was sure whatever doctrine might have prevailed among his constituents at Liverpool, that even all the virtue—all the transcendant circumstances of dis tinction—and all the high character of the Noble indivi dual referred to,—would not have been a sufficient guarantee to have induced his constituents to have returned him to Parliament, unless, placed as he was, he had given some explanation. Having stumbled somehow or other on the unfortunate word guarantee, as ap peared in the reports connected with what he had said, at Liverpool, lie felt bound fairly to own, that he did use that word in what he had addressed to his constituents, and he had no scruple in saying, even after all that he had heard, that he should probably use it again, did the same opportunity occur. Really he could not help being prrfectly astonished to know how it happened, that the use of this unfortunate word guarantee, upon which so much stress had been laid, and upon which an much malevolence had been at work, for the last ten days, should have have excited so much mis conception in the minds of the community of this metro polis. He could not conceive how there could be under standings so constructed, imaginations so perverted, as for a moment to suppose that his Noble Friend, and himself should communicate with the Duke of Wellington upon the principle of a contract to be mace—of a bargain to he entered into between adverse parties—with opposite and conflicting interests.—(Great cheering.) —Was it to be expected that the Duke of Wellington with his exalted distinctions and nice sense of honor, should have sent not for one, hut for five or six gentle men, themselves having all, untarnished reputation, and he trusted, a high feeling of honor, for the purpose of offer ing to them a direct insult? Was it sot clear that the Noble Duke, if he could by possibility have descended tc such a thing, must have felt that the proposal would only have rendered totally useless the services of all those who might have been base enough to have lent themselves to such a transaction. On the part, therefore, of the Dukr of Wellington, and his Noble Friend with whom he was connected, he begged to state distinctly it was most preposterous to have supposed that such a propoeal was ever made, or even thought of. He would ask, what might be considered his own understanding and prudence, if he had gone down to Liverpool, and made statements calculated to draw upon himself such an imputation with the certainty to hie insane intellect, within three days after the making of such statements, they would have been con tradicted by those to whom they referred. Ile did not certainly retract one syllable from what he had said at Liverpool respecting guarantee, but standing in the House of Commons where he did, lie would state what he actually hal said. Ile would not he answerable for the very words in which he had addressed his constituents; nor would he be answerable for the accuracy of any reports that might have been made of what passed amidst the confusion of a hustings ; by the Reporters, however ex pert and ingenious they may have been, and who probably never attended an election at Liverpool before, nor received all the accommodation they merited. What he said was, that before his acceptance of office he sought for explanation, as well in respect to the principles as to the pendine measures of the Government, and tho general admistration of that Government; Ghat having received an understanding in respect to the mea sures, and in respect to the pr inc Government, which appeared to him satisfactory, he did consider that, the hest guarantee which conld tie afforded, that in the eX ecution of those measures and in furtherance 'of those prin ples, such understanding would not be departed from, while the individuals who were then expected to execute them, should continue in office. He considered the guarantee he received to he of this nature, and he hoped the explana tion would he as satisfactory to the Noble Lord opposite as the explanation he had received, and the understand ing on which lie acted, wds satisfactory to him. It must have been obvious, therefore, to his friends at Liverpool, accustomed to deal in bonds, securities, and legal instru ments, that when he spoke of guarantees, be was not speaking of it in the strict legal technical sense of the words. He would willingly bear testimony to the skill, diligence, and impartiality of Reporters, hut he felt bound to say, that what he had stated at Liverpool, they had misconceiv ed, and certain he was, that the people at Liverpool were not under any such misconception, because he held in his hand a letter from the Reverend Mr. Shepherd, which he had received by this morning's post, in which that gentleman stated, that he felt bound to come forward unsolicited to express his conviction, that the re ports in the London papers bad not been accurately made. This, however, he could only state, from a recollection of what had passed ; but he was on the hustings, and felt sound to give what really had passed—his greatest atten tion. Had he not received this letter, lie could have brought forward nothing hitt his own statements, in opposition to imperfect and unsatisfactory reports. The Bight Hon. Gentleman then read the letter, which was to the effect we have stateds and which concluded by say ing—" perhaps, before you receive this, you may have run the gauntlet in the House of Cotrunons.—(A laugh.) If my memory should be of use to you, I feel it necessary that I should give you the benefit of it, because Ministers have sufficient to answer for, without the mistakes of the gentlemen belonging to the press.—P. S. I take it for granted Mr. Brougham will have something to say on this transaction, but that he may not get on the wrong ground, I should wish you to communicate to lion the pur port of this letter.—(Continued laughter, in which Mr. B. joined, and made an observation which we could not hear.) So much for the word guarantee, about which there bad been so much misapprehension. With respect to the prin ciples and measures which were to guide the present Admi nistration, he had little to fear that he was at all likely to differ from the Noble Duke at the head of the Government. but there were certain measures and principles upon which there was an understanding ; and if there was a fair un derstanding upon general principles, it was all that could be expected for the application of those principles, to the securitp and improvement of the Country, must • of course. mainly depend upon our foreign and do mestic circumstances. The sending of troops to Portugal, and the interference in the affairs of Greece had been growing out of the state of our foreign relations for the last eighteen months. With respect to our domestic policy he would also instance, by way of illustration, the Silk Trade. When lie deemed it prudent to assimilate that trade to the manner in which others are carried on, the Hon. Metnbers for Lincoln and Coventry (neither of them now Members) opposed his views, on the ground that the time was not fitting for the change, ;litho' it might in all other respects be most desirable.— Thus the application of g eneral principles must always b e accor di ng th e c i rc urostauces under which th e country is placed. His Noble Fr iend (the Duke of Wel aliningteomn ) be sa r idoftoLhoirmd Liverpool's(lklr. IlissGna oonv)ernent, and had a , " Y ou h ave b een share in and supported all the measures which were originated and approve d of b y that Cabinet, how take p ar t i n t h ose measures , then can you refuse to to which you already s tand p le dged.—(Hear, bear.) The Noble Duke badsupported th e measure to w hi c h h e had jest alluded, relative to the silk trade, and he bad also sup ported the i n terference in the affairs of Portugal and the Protocol relative to Greece bore his own signature. If it was to be so that the troops were sent to Portugal under false p r e t ences he would answer that the ' Noble Duke had vindicated the necessity and the expediency of it. He would now come Co the course of' proceeding relative to the Finance Committee. In the interuiews which he had had with the Noble Duke, it had escaped him to ask the question as to what his views were relative to.that Committe. While confined to his room, however, he wrote to his Noble Friend upon that subject, and he held in his hand the answer. There was no pledge —no guarantees—nor no stipulations ; but the question Wal RAVI ) and ON, eieiWer imicip QT./ t m t m h c a ll aa e dt i c e i o o t n u a w n ta country whether Liverpool, W economy,h i e e y th er about b m i g h t;hi badbß. ihe:redeemefuestatchhet7(lni.sito6.s4lo:::::Pmeeelwviraila: construction of, t e he bWadCoithinnorerpect::::thththeell:spie:r*idt:inaischica'h.altshei:hadshr h had e p r evai l ed , received. h was required ; and no attempt should ever again induei to revert to the subject.—(Hear, hear,) If each weiihe policy to be pursued-4f disunion between him and sinnathe was acting with was to be its object, he could only lab:that that object should fail, for the only effect of such a policy would be to cause him to act with increased confidence in those by whom he was surrounded.—(Loud cheers.)-- There was only one other point to which he thought it necessary to refer—but it was one of considerable de licacy. A question had been put in another place, and it had been asserted that he (Mr. Huskisson) had declared that he never would take any part in an Ad ministration of which the Duke of Wellington was the head, in consequence of what had taken place during the life time of Mr. Canning. This he positively and unequivocally denied. But looking to the quarter from whence the question had been put, and reverencing the memory of that great man as he did, he did not think that even if it had been stated, matter of a private conver sation should not be thus brought before the House. The measures he had pursued in his public 'life, had exposed him to a great deal of public obloquy. That class of persons opposed to improvements were of course opposed to those which he originated, while those who ' were iu favour of improvement almost invariably over looked the difficulties which existed in applying gene neral principles according to the circumstances of the country. He had steered a middle course, and he had con sequently been disapproved of by the zealous on both sides. But as long as held a seat in Parliament he would follow the stme principlee, and if his friends should happen to take a different view, he should then feel it a duty in cumbent upon him to tender his resignation.—(Cheers.)— He had been honoured beyond his deserts by his Sovereign, who had conferred upon him the high situation which he then held (The Rt. Hon. Gent. was deeply affected.) He had been honoured also by the support he had received in that House, and by the approbation of a large portion of the public—(Cheers)----so honoured, he felt no ambition, beyond, his health was certain, but, as long as long as' he enjoyed the share of confidence which he had hitherto done, he should persevere in endeavouring to promote the interasts of his country to the best of his ability. But if he found his views obstrticted, and that he was unable to carry his policy into effect, he should not be slow to retire from the arduous duties which it had fallen to his lot for so many years to discharge.—(The Right Hon. Gentleman then sat down amidst very generrl applause.) The SYEAKER then was about to read the order of the day for the House going into a Committee of Supply, but the calls for Mr. Herries became general, and that Right Hon. Gentleman accordingly rose to explain. Mr. HERMES said, that if the difference which was stated to have occurred between him and his Right Hon. Friend was the cause of the late Cabinet, he was not to blame. Individuals were often placed in circumstances in which it was impossible for them not to act, so as to on casion evil, but they were not responsible for this evil. He had now to state, however, that it was directly false that the difference between him and the Right Honourable Secretary was the cause of ehe dissolution of the late Ca binet. That difference may have been made the cause, but it was not the cause. There was no the slightest ground for stating that it was the cause.—(Hear, hear.)—There were circumstances connected with his appointment, to office, which rendered him peculiarly jealous of any in terference with the duties and privileges of his office. There were some persons who had made themselves pecu liarly conspicuous in opposing his (Mr.. Herries's) cession to office, and was it to he wondered that he (Mr. Herries) was extremely jealous of the interference of such persons. He was extremely surprised, -.there fore, to be informed, that the place and persons who were to compose the Finance Committee had been arranged without previously consulting him.— He entered a protest verbally, and afterwards, by letter against this proceeding, and afterwards received an assurance from the Noble Lord at the head of the Go vernment, the circumstances of which he complained would be satisfactorily arranged, and that fur ther steps would he taken without great caution and consideration. From that period, which was at the commencement of December, until the 26th of that month, nothing more passed on the subject. Strange cit.. cumstances passed in the interval between the .24th and 26th. The head of the Government, abdicated, and it was not whilst that , Government was in its agony, and near its dissolution that he (Mr. H arr i es ) was to intrude his feelings with respect to the 'Fivauce Committee on the Noble Lord at the head of the Go vernment. (Left speaking.) • TATTERSA LL's TI ISIMY The betting-room was well attended.:4y, find setae brisk betting was the consequence ; it, was nearly all,low ever, confined to the Derby and St. Leger. The three fa vourites varitd considerably during the day, and at tbe, close the Merchant retreated to 10 to 1. Amy has been hacked pretty freely by. a Yorkshirernani at 17 to 'l,. but it did not seem to operate :forcibly on the market, which. closed as follows :- 81 to 1 agst lion. E. Petre's The Colonel .. Grosvenor's 81 to 1 agst Lord Grosvenor's Nayarit' 9 to 1 agst Duke of Rutland's Sorcery colt , 10 to 1 agst Mr. Thornhill's Merchant 17 to 1 agst Mr. Payne's Johanna Sontheote colt 17 to 1 agst Sir J. shelley's Amy colt 2 4 18 5 0 t t t 0 0 0 agsta agstg s agst DLot DukeDuke d f roe of Grafto n ' s Omen Gsvratoorn;ss ST. LEGER,. 12 to 1 agst Colonel king's Beesy Bedlam 13 to 1 agst Mr. W. Scott's Velocipede 16 to 1 agst Mr. Petre's The Colonel MR. CANNING'S MONUMENT. The Subscribers to the Erection of a Monument, in honnue to the Memory,of Mr. Canning, had a meeting to-day at the Thatched House Tavern ; the Earl of Har r rowby in the chair. The aecersained amount of the subscription was 9,5001. t bnt a larger sum, it is supposed, has been subscribed, but not yet reported from ;oe pro vincial districts. Mr. G. KNIGHT, in moving that the report of the Committee be received, pronounced a brilliant etiology upon Mr. Canning. He (Mr. K.) had been uponilie Con tinent when the death of that lamented statesman occurred, and he would speak from his personal observation that his fame had extended all over the continent, unobserved by those mists of prejudice and party which sometimes darkened the bright renown of a great man moving in his own sphere.—(Cheers.)—He considered that Mr. Can ning was the bold yet prudent advocate of a safe liberty, and that his public services entitled hint to the proud testi monial which the country was about to erect in honour of his memory. Lord WHARNCLIFFE considered Mr. Canning's fame would be transmitted to posterity as glorious and as honourable as that, of any public man who had ever approvedwil hoonifc,.haAncdoonaAisdißi:soPtneld served his country. On a future occasion he would be a b , e iotbfi i ly i et n h p tneh o ee s xf v vos e rn r mi e eeae d mrti t esuco o r i a ic m ei i v t e te :la onri s ti f ura o l ua ly ready to ready to go into the discussion of Mr. Canning's report the result of thdeidredintoqutihreiescototun. claims and merits to the gratitude of his country. At present h e would confine himself to the proposal ef a Com mittee, moved the names o f , the Como future meeting of the subscribers. This suggestion was sculptors,inittee, which and shouldt to we o b a e A rved the names of Lord Wharncliffe, mit T tee ne , that he was induced to take the Chair . • . rece ive subscriptions ; their number was en larged to Seafor'd, Mr. Huskisson, Mr. Sturges Bettrne, &c. &c. Earl of HARROWBY on thanks h. Lord The -sing voted, to the request of the Committee, f F. i t c n ar h i g t a t e ee i d on t a o n : G : aid, at the fi rst , fr o m Os grea t per sonal r espect to the memory of Mr. Canning ; and second ly, from the circumstance of his h a yi ng in th e Ad m i n i stra ti on , o f the first o ffi cial t ( t e P Ar !s r . r e i s: o l c l m e a n o t iAl o fi nr f g. t h cw e h aa C s I : tt u hr n ye c i i ia l e ) nadd . Mr. We s t maco tt w e r e which P 1 s e e read, suggesting estimates of the intended Monument, but no resolution was passed respecting them. Apologies were made for the absence of Mr. Raring and several other members, who were necessarily absent, in consequence of their appointment on , the Finance'C,onamit tee. The meeting was numerously and respectably, at tended. Among the subscribers present we notice the Duke of Devonshire, the Duke of Norfolk, the illarquie of Sligo, Marquess of Clanricarde, Earl Morley, Lord Sea ford, Lord Wharncliffe, Hon. E. 'Petre, Hon. Agir Ellis, the Knight of Kerry, and many distinguished Members of both Houses of Parliament. -------- e----.'es•-•!Fss,essee. • • PRINTED and PUBLISHED by M. YOUNG, at tke Su OFFicw, Na. 112, Strand. • . . _ . )g ton in the House of Lords, and con- take to see the ChanCellor of the Exchequer, and state to him Administration. at amendment was of no importance, or what passed. I went to my own office, and having requested Right Honourabl exposed to the charge of captiousness. my Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer oert:Luta"' one irable Gentleman must, be aware to wait upon me, I stated to him what passed between m}y deligence and axe ' Members belonging to the pre - Right Hon. Frie nd o pp osite (Mr. Ti e rn ey) Lord Goderich, stengt h, and man, 0 J • 1r Earl ?laces, Acts : Fordart den ; a On was ad Mr. Repor Mysor Gad . 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