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PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 24. The oaths were administered to the Earl *a ABOYNE, the Bishop of LINCOLN, and Lord CAR• AINGTON. Halford's and Trelawney's Divorce Bills pashecl through Coti,mittees.—Reports to-morrow. Mr. WRlpole, from the Secretary of State's Office, presented a Report respecting the Jury Court of Scotland.—Ordered to be printed. A Message from the [louse of Commons, by Nr. Brogden and other Members, brought up some Police Reports requested by the Lords.—Or tiered to be referred to the Committee on the State of Prisons. The Nassau salt Pill, the British Plantation IVonl Bill, and the East India Goods (Ireland) Bill, were read a third time and passed. The Exchequer Bills in Aids Bill, the Consoli dated Fund Produ'ee Bill, the Husbandry - Horses the. Duke of Wellington's Estate Bill, and the Netherland's Slave Trade Bill, were read a second time, and committed'for to-morrow. The Portugal Slave Trade Bill passed through a Committee, and was reported without Amend ment. Veiitions were presented by Lord Gambier and Lord Grantham from Uxbridge,' and the Grand Jury of the Cototy of Bedford, praying for a re vision of the Criminal Laws ; and by the Earl of Strathmore, two from Gateshead, Durham, against taxing Coal at the pit's mouth, and agait.st the renewal of the Insolvent Act.—Ordered to lie upon the table. _ . The [loose resolved i•self into a Committee on the Poor Laws Amendment Bill.—The Earl of CARNARVON moved au Amendment, which was agreed to, respecting the relief of Paupers by Ma.- gistrates, in case of the Select Vestry not meet ing.— The Marquess of LANSDOWN declined moving an Amendment for rendering Overseers accountable for the profits of the land (not ex ceeding 20 acres) they were allowed to take, as it 'night endanger the Bill ; and he trusted some Clause would be introduced in a subsequent Bill for rendering them in express terms (what they were at present constructive:y) so liable.•—The Bill was gone through, and the Amendment or dered to be taken into consideration to-morrow. ' Adjourned till to•morrow (this day.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr: JAllsom, from the Chief Secretary's Office in Ireland, presented certain Accounts.—Ordered to lie nn the table. On the mo►inn of Mr. M. A. TAYLOR, leave wac g iv e n to bring in a Bill to per►nit the Inha bitants of the parish of Mary-le-bone to contract with the %%Tater Companies for the supply of Water. Mr. LAMETON presented two Petitions. one from the Ship-owvers, the other from the Coal shippers of Sunderland, in favour of the Sunder laud Navigation Bill —Ordered to be printed. 13OROUGH OF HEYDON. Lord II IIowARD, Chairman of the Committee on the Heydon Election Petition, reported that the sitting Members were duly elected, and that the petition was not frivolous or vexations. • Petitions front Northampton and Gateshead were presented against the Insolvent Acts.—Or tiered to be referred to the Select Committee. Mr. CALVERT presented a Petition from St. ()lave's, Southwark, praying for an equalization of the Duties on Coal.—Ordered to lie on the table. PoI.vLETT presented a Petition from Gates head aoinst any alteration in the Coal Laws.— Ordered to lie on the table. SALT TAX. Dr. PHILLIMORE gave notice of his intention, on Tuesday the 6th of April next, to move for lease to bring in a Bill for the Repeal of the Du ties on SAIL LONDON CLERGY. Sir JAMES GRAHAM called the attention of the House to the situation of the Clergy of fifty of the Parishes in the City of London. T he Peti tion which they had presented to the House, and 'Adel) had been referred to a Select Committee, had been reported on by that Committee, and in that report it was said the allegations in the Pe tition had not been proved. In giving this opi nion, he considered the Committee had travelled out of the course which they ought to have par sued. The Petitioners had abstained from com ing to that House for relief till their stipends be came so inadequate to their maintenance, that they could no longer avoid making that appeal which they had made. I i thirty out of the fifty patishes the Petitioners performed the duty in person. In twenty-six parishes there were no Parsonage Houses provided, and in consequence they were ohl;ged to pay in rent and taxes a seem fully equal to the stipend which they received from the parishes to which they belonged. Some of the first ecclesiastical characters in the country were in this situation. By a de cree specified in / the thirty-seventh of Heni ' the Eighth, it had been provided, that they s t imal he entitled to claim 2s. 9d. in the pound atter the lst day of March, In the year 1345, on the rental of the City, in lieu of tithes. They, however, made no claim for any particular sum, but threw themselves on the liberality of Parlia ment. One of the Members for the City of Lon doll had persuaded a majority of the Committee up stairs, that iu point of fact there had been no such decree. He (Sir J. Graham) however, wonid he content ao rest his case on this, that the decree would be found in the statute book. He might. add; that in every year, he might say in every term, the decree had been acknowlOced in the prOCeedings which had onfortunately taken ialaee'. -. In a hundred case§ the decree had been recognised, and its force bad never been disputed Fie had even seen a paper signed 4. 4 .,M.irthew Wood," connected a ith an inquitv made on this subject, which admit:ed soca a de (..rac to exist. Ater this, he t"as a$(01) 'Shed that hi; y Isu;in st)ould say the allegatiot,s of the Petition had not be,n made out. lie Crusted t!le House would permit him to being in a Bill to make for rilre retitionert such an ahtinate provision and fair compensation as they had aright to claim.— . It was said that some of them were o:herwise provided for, but he could state that some of them had very little indeed but what they had received from their several parishes. He therefore, not withstandirig the report which had been made, would move for leave to bring in a Bill, to amend an Act made in the reign of his present Majesty, for relieving certain Incumbents of Livings in the City of London. - Mr. HARVEY contended, the decree which bad been alluded to by the Hon. Baronet had never been enrolled in the High Court of Chancery.— That decree, if enrolled on or before the first day of March, in the year 1545, was thenceforward and for ever to have the force of law ; but nut having heap so enrolled, it was of course void, and of no effect. IVhen the petitioners were called upon to prove that the decree in question bad been enrolled, what did they do ? Why, they produced the Statute of Henry VIII. which had the decree chronicled at the foot of it, and coo tended, that because it was there, it had the full force of law, thoogh the conditions on which it had been ,issued had never been satisfied. He was of opiniou that the petitioners were endea vouring by slow, but sure degrees, to accomplish designs which they dared not to unfold at once, as they knew the rapacity whirl, was their cha racteristic would not fail to cause the House to repel them with indignation if they were folly nown. Ile was convinced, that till they could get possession of one-sixth (which the two root nine-pence mentioned in the decree would amount to), they would never cease coining to Parliament for relief. The Honourable Baronet had ende.a voured to awaken the sympathy of the House fur these Giortlernen, but he (Mr. Harvey) stated almost all of them to have 4001. per annum, and some had 6001. or more. Above 20 were plura lists, and if they had no residences in.tke City, it was because they were the best calculators in it, and preferred letting their houses for the sake of the pi:ofit that might thus be obtained. If the Clef gy of the City had come forward to complain that the provision made for them in 1804 was not sufficient for their maintenance, leaving the 37th of Henry VIII. out of the question, he should not so stroirg:y !iave objected to the proceeding, but they did not dare to come to the House on such grounds. Not one of them dared to call on the House to take his individual case into consideta tion. The value they themselves attached to their own lahours, might be collected from the sums which they paid to the Ciliates who officiated for therm, and who received 501. 601. or 701. per annum from those who were itt o the yearly receipt of 10001., 15001., or 20001. He thought the petitioners showed themselves unmindful of their duty, and of the sacred character which they ought to preserve, in-corning to Parliatneut so re peatedly to get their emoluments enhanced.—To him it appeared too much that the Chairm an o f a Committee,' at the head of a maJority,of three, should now come to the House to impeach the de cision deliberately come to in tl Committee that had been numerously attended. Mr. DENT wished to know if the course taken by the Hon. 'Baronet was that which peas must conformable to the forms of the House. He would ask if the better way would not he to ref e r the petitions back again to the Committee ) • The SPEAK ER did nor know of a precedent for such a Report as had been made by the C o m. -mittee, and consequently he could k now. o f no precedent for that course of proceeding w hi c h had been founded on. that Report. The [louse well knew; that by the standing orders of the House no petition for a Private Bill could be re ceived till it hail been referred to a Select Com mittee, which Committee was to report whether or not - the standina orders had been compli e d with, and the matter of the petitions. In the present case there was no standing order to b e complied with, and the Committee had of course only'to report this, and go - on and report the matter of the petition. He had only to repeat, that as he knew of no other instance in which such a Report as the House had now before them had been made, so he could know of none in which a motion like that of the Hollow able Baronet had been offered under such circumstances. It was clear that they bad no precedents to guide them. .On au unsatisfactory Report being made, it had 'sometimes been referred back to the Committee, and this might be done in the present case. Mr. WROTTESLEY said, as there were no pre cedents to guide them, the House could decide on the motion as they might think proper ; but he hoped the case of the petitioners would be suf fered to come fairly before them. He trusted this would not be refused, as lie, for one, was of opinion that the Committee had come to a wrung and most improper conclusion. Sir W. de CRUPIGNY spoke, but was inaudible in the Gallery. Mr. Alderman IVooD remarked, the Honour able Baronet bad represented hint to have signed a paper, in which that decree was acknowledged which he had denied to exist. It the Honour able Baronet had read through the paper to which he had referred, he would have seen that it was not exactly what l►e had supposed it to be. No evidence had been given in opposition to that furnished by the Petitioners. It was the common sense of the Committee alone that had decided against them. To show in what a melancholy situation some of the Petitioners were placed, he would state the amount of some of the livings : That of Allhallows gave the.inctinthent 4911. per, annum; 'St. Peter's, C 61.111611, produced 6321. ; St. Vedast Foster gal.* 6001. ; and lie read over a list of .others, the emoluments of which varied from 3761. to 600!. In almost every parish a curate was engaged to perform the duty for a salary of GUI. or 701, per annum. He hoped no addition, on account of the Petitioners, would be made to the burdens of tl►e already over-taxed citizens of Loudon: Sir \V. CUgTIS believed the worthy Alderman who had last spOken had been misinformed in some instaoces. lie had stated the Livin - g of St. Peter's,' Cornhill, ro 'be worch 6321. He had ielson to believe it did not produce more titan 3001: 64PPS Said, the question before the House was, whether the stipetid which had beet' Given to the Clergy of London morE thArl tentury ttgo was sufficient for them now ? Lie thought they had a fair claim . to have their case considered, and was sorry they had been treated with so Much se verity in the course of the present debate. Sir T. BARING stated, the Curate of St. Ann's and St. Andrew's Holborn, had but between 2001. and 3001. per annum, though he bad to at tend to a population of 6,000 souls. He com plained of the charge of rapacity which had been made against the Clergy. It bad been. siid they let out their houses. for profit. lie believed there was not one of the individuals who had signed the Petition presented to the House who would not be ashamed of such conduct. Mr. C. W. WYNN knew one of the petitioners, who, though not resident in his parish, performed not merely the Sunday duty, but all the duty that was to be performed in it. He thought, con sistently with the rules of the House, a Bill might he brought in on the Report of the Committee. It tivould then be for the House to enter into the metits of the question. He should vote for the motion. Mr. 4lderinan \VooD explained. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN commt.nted with se verity on the conduct of some of the Petitioners. If they were not s!efficiently provided for, ,they night fist of all to have come forward and stated this to their parishioners, and afterwards, if it bad been necessary, they could have come to that House. Bun, instead of acting thus, they, at the instigation of one roan, all combined toge ther, with the exception of fifteen or sixteen ho nest men—(Loud disapprobatioo)—who were ashamed to sign the petition, to make the Legis lature confitm the dormant claim founded on the decree of Henry VIII. That decree had never been enrolled, and when it was imended to give the Clergy two shillings and nine-pence on the rental, it was to be remembered that they were charged with the maintenance of the poor, and the repairs of the churches. lo the Act of the 22d of Charles 11. the decree of Henry VIII. had not been recognized, and it had certainly never been enrolled in the High Court of Chancery.-- Jo 1804 a large increase of income bad been given to the Clergy, though not on that decree. Then the 'interference of Parliament was. claimed on account of the pressure of the Property Tax.-- 7 Now that was removed, and he should be glad to hear what had occurred since 1304 to make a further augmentation of their emoluments neces sary. Ile concluded by defending the ReFort of the Committee. Mr. PEEL ,called upon the House to look at the monstrous consequences that must follow, if the decision of a Committee up stairs were to be suf fered to preclude the House from taking into its consideration a case once referred to such a Com mittee. Ile directed their attention to the manner in which Select Committees were usually con stituted ;—he con:idered the late Committee to have exceeded its powers ; and insisted, that the decision it had come to ought not 4o prevent the House from inquiring into the merits of the ease. • WILBERFORCS bad always tbooglit a COM illitZee tip stairs like a Grand Jury, before which one party submitted its proofs without being con fronted by'the other. When it should be fore the Uouse, that would be the time for en tering into the general merits of the question. He wished a more ample provision to be made for the Clergy. By not doing so, they justified those pluralities of which they were all apt to complain. They ought to enable the Clergyman to live on something like a footing of equality with his neighbours ; and be could not approve of the con duct of those who, always professing great atrec. tion for the Church, when brought to the test, acted as it the Clergyman ought to be, confined to a miserable pittance, barely enough to supply the wants of nature. Mr. PLUNKETT was of opinion that it would have been better to move that the Report should be sent back to the Committee, than to move, as the Hon. Baronet bad done, for leave to bring in . a Bill. There could be only one feeling in the House on the propriety. of attending to any Cairns made on the part of the Clergy, and it they found themselves compelled to retuse what they desired, he was sure they would do so wiqt much pain. If the Committee had gone beyond their powers, the Report should go back to them, but it now, on their report that the allegations of the Petition were not proved, a Bill were to be it introduced, would seem that the Committee was of no use, and that, be the result of theicifro ceedings what it might, the course to be pursued in the House was the same, as, it they had report ed that the allegations were. proved, a Bill would have been brought in. The SPEAKER re-stated what he had formerly said on the peculiarity of the present case. He remarked the House used different terms in form ing its Committees, and when their opinions were wanted, this was stated in the first instance.— The opinion that the allegations of the petition were not proved was certainly a statement which ,they were not authorized to make. The Standing Orders of the House directed them in such cases to report the matter of the petition, and precluded them from hearing the oimposite side. Under such circumstances it would be monstrous to require them to give an opinion. The course he had de scribed was that which, with this single excep tion, had been uniformly pursued. Consistently with time forms of the House, leave might be given to bring in a Bill on the present ocsysion. And by adopting this mode of conduct to!, won'tl deal fairly with the Report, hydiffering from the Com mittee. Another way would be to return the Report to the Committee ; and a third would he ro disagree with the - Report. In none of dieser cases, as it appeared to him, would the forms of the House be violated ; but it was of great im portance to the House how they formed their Committees, and that no opinion should be given where this was not directed. Mr. WYNN thought ►he best way of getting rid of the leport, would be to disagree to it at once, and I hen give leave to bring in the Bill. The SPRAKER observed, that giving leave to bring in the Bill would alone be disagreeing to ►he Report, and would probably be the best course, Air, BRAND suggested that it 'night be better to tesoive that 1116 Standing Orders ha:. t%c.t be:l compli , !d with. Tlte .SpqAxert said, there were lo this c ase.d Standin; Orders to he complitd v. hit. Leave was then giver to brin,g in the Bill. r . ll Mr. CRoKuu moved for leave to bring in a Di to rpg i d ate t h e v re i 4 m s paya bl e by ij\ j o e r for Specie,marl Jewels carried by Ships o' Sir JOSEPH YoRKe, and another Mena): r w" se name could not be learned, said a few Words, a l. , purport of which could not be collected. Mr. Ceoz.Ea said, much evil mig clandestine a g reements bttwecn Admirals and Captains, relative t o freights. Leave was given to bring in the 13:11.—it W 23 then brought iiti , read a first, and ordere d to, b 6 read a second ;hue on Friday. 11 , t mite froril, • Mr. G. LAMB said, be w i,l, c d to as k a question on a subject relative to which several rumours wer g :liiroad. "ished to know whetherii was th e I "testri"o of his Nl.jcsty's Ministers to proll °s6 any additional Dots? on Malt ?_ • (1, The CHANcELLoa thi! E 3cEIPQU SK rePl ie t that it was no t th e i n t ention cif Governin eol a present to propos , .: any additional dutY (p) ) 60 title. He said this resrrving h i mse lf the rig ' I of bringing forw a rd, at an y f o r a re tittle, sue measures as might he tilougSlr necessary. ARMY ESTIMATES. Lord PALMERSTWN gave notice, that o n Fria o l he intended to prop o se a Vo te on accoun t of 1114 Estimates for the Army. H am er: The Order of the Day for reporting e °,„ , as of Metnhrrs absent a t th e B a ll ot o f y e sfer" ° : taken into consideration, and the Del" lie" dere , ' to alttend . to•morrow. The (louse resolyrd itself into a Cown' ittee ott the Excise Lict.nces.—lleport to-murrow. GAE LAWS. On the motion tor M a Cutninittee on the G 31116 Laws' Amendment Bid, to. h 0 C o uto Mr. BaANI) said, he only meant in (0 mittee to move some ver b A l A meD dru cots, `i nt. ! have the Bill printed. 'flie twure sageslie "l 7. tended to postpone till atter the Easter r ecess. _ se id r. F. DOUG LAS Said, h e a pp ro ved 4,f t he cou b ` - tic of proceeding adopt e d . by his lion.. Frie nd, t o ‘vished it to be understood th a t his uhi eclitn” the Bill remained unchanged. , Sir . 1 .; /V ter a few words troth Mr. 13 " ° ''''1 the Shelley, Mr. Curwen, and Lord li' )w—e ,, r l 'lll), Bill was committed, and the Renor:br°ll;l'e r3Lb and ordered to be further conslifered °n o nti The innkeepers' Rates' Bill was rea d n lee time, end ordered to be committed to -19°"‘v. AojournA. o l.l. , J o t_ . •' .- --- 1 ~..............w......H a ez ............... 5:it _ Rt5x;T ~...,...,.......,mp..xE..............................."R0t0Gi ci.............- L. - Weal 11 ' 1 ' . 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Nand On the 20th inst. at his house at St. Peter .9 gistrate of thof Jersey, SirJOhn Du:wires:l, Kut. late Chief IVIa said Island, in the 70th year of his age.' - r terra C " Ou the 22d inst. aged 66, at his house, I'V e Islington, I-I. W. Mortimer. Esc! PROVINCIAL BIRTHS, NI ARRIAGES , A Sir A :: I :L e 7f lulu, lately, the Lady cidl ° f . s , s ,. ..a e lr h t o a n r t , Cornwall,adnal.4ltoset;r.the I i Ist. the , N. of s •i'• - - of Captain 1%; , Ettdoclt, Junes, Esq. , Bangor. Lately, at Late Th °alai 'S:talw las ' ' Cs(l. nick,lit ihctti, third dru~htrr of the Jz , John Bpup~ At , I r , t ,i ti . st y o o t: l , ng S e e r ot , l ) a f tt n n o T t h o e ti ti l , t; maid en? Lo , das, eldest daughter of tiv, fli g ht Honourable Lord Chi t ' Baron. nit:D. Lately, at nartley, near Bath, Robert, eldest son of an' bets wi:ittingtou, Esq. Lately, at Bath, Eliza, eldest datt.-diter of the Reverent' el- F. Gardiner, A. M. - Rector of Coombhay, and Vicar of low, in the county of Somerset' of n Lately, Mrs. Rose, relict of the late J. C. Rose , Es t i' , I. L i' i t i; ) , l :ly, , in Doverstiret, Bristol, that rel ic " . the 18" Captaili 1 howas Wil;iarns. ____...- ••- - -- - • ---- i t• LONDONTl'rinted by.l. B. CARS AIRS, of No. S 9, °l e t oi-1-nOA-street, Queen-square; and published by W'''',".; SCRIM'S, of No. 7,, South Molt.on-street, a t THE '''U'' Odice,.No. 112, Strand ; wbere Advettiiernent3, 014'1" Letters, &c. (post-paid) must be athlressed. )