The Sun. — London, England, 1841-03-19 00:00:00

- - . ll ; In isfac ions O re- neth tk.ing )f Sir ar of alas !yolid awes ed her Ye s " I, bs je ss ‘.ll - ided b i red the vg• , p bea! , ith b. l : .nce '- , 19 bo ,andos• rkfieP nd M r. ith th° ' tb Trad e ' L ervit! }low' co. r ana ds, 1 Novi cr vie • 0 o f NOV an d• of )1001' .7c was big lay . ii9po!'" we': Bingt°' f i trkt visit to opter. fia ll ' ipci bi eative Rose' Of ,0011:yer pal rice , 1° -` , ire . ): ,oncer" nes t. N 1 . 1 ", .; , a bo- n i tio . w ' S VC prii V ,g ith "I ,-EVENIN G EDITION COURT OF COMMON COUNCIL (YESTERDAY.) CITY IMPROVEMENTS. t a l , t' t if • KING, the Chairman of the City of London Cern se, prescnted a petition from the iehabtents of the vi tigitY ff Kan stmt.!, Cheap-ide, t praying that measures t rs tr ie k h . t t he ., tal ' se g n - t o widen he . treat thoroughfare to Seuta f erlige. It was, he said, stated as an argument in 'Yee of aide. ing the st eats on the north side of Cheap t@ that that the great inns of the City were all on that side. th railroad s , h owever, had effectually i nter f ere d w i t h s bu siness of th ose i nns, and the traffic had most won fa'rrtAil increased on the south side, so that the necessity a ll ' a) Prov,-ment about Thames-street and Watlirg-strect lI POW very great indeed. tit ' a r e t Lorr wished to see the money cf the Corpora the aPended ai improving the City, but he considered hell W atling -street ought, for ihe sake ef humanity, as 11- expediency, be the very first irtiprovel. „retitien was referred to the Ler s don-bridge Ap r ocherl Committee. 4 e '•a petitions, one from the merchants, bankers, &c., of t ete City, and the other from Southwa• - k, were prsented, f Phg the Co Ct to t ke such steps as might be necessary t Q s r ot thr "ingto ti public Southeark-bridge, frt . t atoll, They were, however, both ordered to be laid Prat the table, after some discussion. SEPULTURE IN THE CITY OP LONDON. f er :: • ANDERTON gave notice of a motion, that it be re portdi to the City Lands Cernmitt,e to examine and re tied nt ° the means of sepulture in church-yards, places it , vault s for burying the dead therein; and also whether a l l e xPedient that an end should be put to the interment lue dead withal the City of Londor. COUNTY COURTS BILL. of t i i r * 41,0 E111.0e brought up the Report on the subject e County C ourts Bill, wh i ch was, w i thout b e i ng rea d , it e e e , cl di s inag Le prit.ted. He stated that the Government to exempt the City from the operation of the , If such were the wish of the Corporation; and the t'ePatt re commended that the Court should effect improve 11l s which were indispensably necessary, by throwing af te ti t t llc Mayor's Court a nd 11) Sheriff's Court to bu il and solicitors generally. Mr j CITY IMPROVEMENTS. Dre w ,' °Nits, the Chairman of the London Bridge Ap of hide s Committee, brought up the Report on the subject t e r ' 44 14 t e tnoroughtaie of Mason's-el:ey from Col wili est to Basinghall-street. It stated th it it would vad tt 'Y be very desirable to have the narrow passage te a ,. ed. but that under existing circumstances the al -141, impracicable. let osn ', " 4 0LE expressed a hope th-t amongst the ether tet et — f t ts of improvements it would not escape the advo heath e l rendering the streets more commodious and Y that Aldermanbury required to be widened. fse e •le L. J ONES that tae expense of doing as was is7irted would e said iocOnveniently expensive. By and . by, ?rote P r obability, that as well as many other great ms ateedraietts which are not at present in contemp ation, effected.—( Hear, hear.) Cola e i rr aan T. Wein. brought up the Report of the Police lae ri sk ttee, .litaing that a suitable house and offices . had Ole jP e r °Tided for the City Police Commissioner in the Al a Y. ale it WELLS said that the C'ty Police Commissioner . had_ the h„ v iss all nonsense to suppose that he would reside in ear" alach had been procured for him. the srs er te a lsrl T. WOOD said that the house was formerly Otte -- uetlce of Alderman Lee, who contrived to perform The also hospitality in it.—( Hear, bear.) e Report was agreed to. Aide THE POOR-LAW IN THE CITY. 4p ari l % THOMAS Wool) brought up the following 10 the Right Hon. the Lerd Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons of the City cf Loudon, in Council al, a ssemble_?, kits, e t "Lose names are hereunto subscribed, your Com- Whe t ; a PPointed in relation to the police of the City, to s e talC as "„lite 16th day of June last, it was referred to at the best means of carrying into effect the pro ile°s; a r the Poor -law, with regard to persons found in th at tour of this City in a state of destitution, and . to ' 4l tt a u ! opinion thereon to this Court, do hereby certify t efer:,;a u av! proceeded to the consideration of the said siact and requested the attendance of Mr. R. Taylor l athe Deputy Pewtress, the mover and seconder thereof, a'ourt of Comm o n Council ; and also of the CC:MI- N:o4e of the Ci t y P o li c e ; and these gentlemen subse eaneY,atlending were heard thereon, when Mr. Deputy Sia n. 4 laid before us a Report explanatory of his opi- See a nd the C omm i ss ioner laid before us a Return !Ste?! the number of destitute persons and vagrants me at a l l the st reets cf t h e Ci t y, an d th e mode of treat tea: each case during twelve months. We also die ° I th e t he City S o li c it o r to consider the legal bearing !sca m - question and t o re p or t thereon, and he having t- " t er e-e' we have cause d a co py of his said Report to be rotata annexed. We have also received a further p ona rkwaieation f rom M r . D e p u ty Pewtress upon this im tagtert subject, which, to some extent, recapitulates the Iddie„ C ontained in his former Report, but also introducing e sssa l4l and scrams matter for deliberation) ; viz., the quent reduction of the number of petty criminals dliti: re °ow consteutly filling the City gaols, upon the 1 4 3 ; aPPertaining to the police and Poor-law author' , 41 '4 4 4 p r escribed by law, being properly and consistently s tla to into ex ecut i on , a su bj ect w hi c h your Committee elkul l . t is entitled to the fullest consideration by this 4 444 even regarded (as Deputy Pewtress remarks) as lati°llof fina nce an d econ omy, independently of the t he c -- ; °l tY of tra ns f err i ng suc h a number of paupers to urinal department.' I) fte a uu r Committ ee , therefore, agreeing with the principle Its ai ' a 'aid report s an d suggestions of Mr. Deputy Pew tlaur 4 , (1 the Solicit o r, b eg t o r ecommend this Honourable e 'ily Pets `Ours represent to the Board of Guardians for the t he Lowden Union their opinion that the spirit of t a o st a s W Should b e ca rried into effect under the s ad a ti - t ara lne views, consistent with public justice e B oard arid that provision should be made by the .'?" all destitute persons found in the streets • r ata ' 4 tYs by the establishment of a proper place for stet to shelter and relief, such as the necessities of each ( 4 Nal!? require. All which, we submit to the judgment 4, ho nourable Court. " 'Thomas Wood " R. Webb Jupp J. Hartley James Lake G. Stacy W. Stevens Wan. Lister W. Christie Richard Hicks H. J. Elmes." heAlderesan John Blackct Prie tel T. WOOD having mcved that the Report should t kes s i o for the purpose of being discussed upon a future 40ea'„41eneen TAYLOR rose to make a few observations. l ider a i t u at the subject of the Poor-law was under con taakaa°, it appeared to him this was an opportunity of t ' ta L i tla t e ta a : u ra ; tregulations by which the existing difficulty , tie h s a 'suing between the vagrant and the unfortunate i‘a, • removed. The vagrants who were taken up were 1 1 I s s il iV °Pinion, treated as they ought to be treated, and 1 7ees s 't"d to impress upon the guardians the cf . acting with kindness and humanity 'Lain; destitute, who were at present buffeted 11 , 1 ,flit' r e e ra ertne should be taken to obtain facilities i',esoes-alnating between the two classes, the treatment ` ll li ° s r which - aught to be essentially different. Its the Pata ° s • e t which be was a Guardian, fifty or sixty casual tsia st 'e received every night, and it was impossible to t i tid h` l a cleanliness in a place to which many dissolute „ a alCel -a j a a t kled vagrants resorted, and _from which they ' see the morning to resume their occupation of 'See t Y. He thought that there ought to be one central ° Which persons of that description might be senr, sa„ 't the really unfortunate would not be insulted by a s eto g e ti s bli ged to hi ve w i t h t h em .—( Hear, hear ) By the :`4l .s " i on of th e G uar di ans an d the Police Commis tl4lleyrLsuch mea sures cou ld b e a d o pted as would mate a (14 1 ,7 the conditi on c f the heuseless poor, and tend esiel 44 eish the large amount of vagrancy.—( Hear.) Court roman THOM AS WooD said that if he thought the Preface 7ald have di scusse d the subject, he should leave * e h te e " t he s Rep or t w i t h som e observations. The fact patella n eport came to the point which he had ori "aternplated. When he found that the Poor the were determined to introduce the Ca' Poor -law into the City, he suggested that 100 a ' r t Y and its Liberties should be included in ta• e • o 'at e . union, in the belief that it could be Ose facially carried into effect by such a provision 4e th ei t ed wet ° aPpointment of sarate unions. He remem ;: te a '"a l what virulence hews attacked in the columns "e u eeti newspapers by Mr. Thomas Jones, of Coleman :too i' is "ma was remarkable for his hostility to the New ateaskaa t r the view he took of its operation ; and he all e a t 'a,t ; that see Commissioners were influenced by the 44 io n i"° 11 to adopt the alternative of appointing three t r eet e ; alt hough it struck him that one would have much sotto edvantages. —( ar. ) He saw good reason to 10 e-h a e l a Of statements which had been made at the Man „lake 'a,,se with reference to the Poor-law, by persons, :e s eys,7, whom were evidently wholly ignorant of what i' th d about.--(A lsugh. )He had to complain, too, "%ta t a t Place no distinction appeared to be made be-- Isere he e deserving poor and the idle vagrant. The public °t 'Pttu e al - e d by the most notorious vagrants in the garb "set of and amongst the City Police there was such tteet di scrimilatien to the two classes, that the ni t . !St confusion as • •and all s s and injustice prevailed, es!" to the charge of the New Poor-law. The "at T against that law, he believed to be alteee-a'Quaded. He believed Mr. Miller, the relieving . o s_ ' 4 p er "'lc of th e U n i ons, who state d t h at f our -fif t h s of 8 0ny WU° appeared at the West Londn Union were himeCgar w , to e, and his own experience s e a Magistrate cr u . Suppose that the same proportion existed in the et the 41 ons of the city. Such was not the state of things wlh • taest eir d uty end of the town, becauseathe police there did %elf •In the City of London Union be considered ; l a d h ernati: r:d to say the Guardians . acted . with tenderness etMe r , 'f,Y towards the poor, which did them the highest t hi e h e ' ,aut he could not shut his eyes to the necessity Poorin 0 1 ',' t ed for the ap ointment of a central house. Thst s , had a farm-hou p se but a distant residence for the 'riaai not like a residence on the spot, which could be ti t ltr . ( sT; si t , an _Y time by the Guaraians, to whom it might be esett,4ol , t e o co i n li v . e t n r te n+ t to go to a remote distance from ab ject a l P l aces of business to protect those who might be a l tied leo treatment.—( Hear, hear.) It would be 4 e Ci ty St charitable to have poor: in the centre of ~ !Lt that sucho ttle reception of the pand he . eva! eonfi ''serni_a regulation would increase the . facilities of It,tirdy: ai'no_iLLigNshoeNt Aeon the cases of the destitute and the Mr r , Q Practised be a I_,s datriet h said g t g hat r. the guardians of the Union in till rain had regular visitations from nine in the morn 'arts of ne or ten at ni ht The conduct of the guar aho th e c it f g . 4 Ppli e d Y Lcndon Union to the numerous poor t ' h e rne, Th ", them was humane and literal in the ex e'Poor to eY cared nothing about the expense, but . sent 15 char ge comfortable quarters without once thinking of Mr, i3.ea7thble.ar, hear.) _ vendo de n oißn tsaidle Cityit ee rtai n 1 y appeared to him that the rttgulat ons was that the Central rots shat"tah_ .receptacle for the poor. The consequence the air. c oe ° Imposition practised was excessive. et,A.24l)ae said that the City of London Union paid ttelit iQn Posiit4 to the poor, end gitin 140 m ivate Pro wish on of d, at , who went asset n gre- , entre rum' to the house at Peckham even at one or. two o'clock in the morning in vehicles regardless of the expense. He wished to remove from the guardians of filet Union the unfair and wholly unfounded charges which bad been brought against there. Mr. MATTHEWS did not know that the Court had any thing to do with the question. He was sure the Court could not dictate to the guardians. Mr. TAYLOR said that no doubt the guardians would he influenced by the opinions expres!ed by the Court. Ti subject was one in which they were all bound to do al the good they could accomplish.—(Hear, hear.) The repot t was then ordered to be print 70.—Adjourned. SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS. FROM TIIE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY. (From the Globe.) Without any disposition to allude invidiously to the ungenerous attempts to prejudice his efforts, vve may be pardoned if we recur to the uniform success of Lord Sydenham's exertions throughout his career as Go vernor-General of C made, as the complete:t answer which man ever gave to the calumnies of an enemy. From the very first moment that he la ided at Quebec, in October 1839, to the day when the union of Canada was consummated, in February 1841, it would be diffi cult to gainsay either his policy or his practice. It is fortunate that it has been so ; for Canada has been so ofiee deluded by false hopes, by the promises of men welling perhaps, but unable, to realize the expectations which they excited, that it has needed a rare union of confidence and ability to overcome the disposition to doubt and hesitate. On the part of the Government at home, that confidence has not been withheld. On the contrary, it has been yielded readily and cordially. On the part of Lord Sydenham, it has been seconded with an ability which is cheerfully and gratefully acknowledged, not only by Canada, but by the other North American Provinces ; for it was not the h ast disheartening of the prospects of that part of the British dominions, that the disaffection which resulted in the reteedion of Lower Canada, threatened to spread, though in less embarrassing forms, through the other Provinces, with results, we fear, had the tide not been sta3ed, that must has e been eventually still more disastrous. The success of Lord Sydenham in Ca nada, and his presence (enforcing his policy) in the other provinces, has been a powerful, if not the chief, means of givinf a ❑ew and more hopeful turn to affairs. In estimating the value of these labours, it is im possible not to bear in mind the vet:) , grudging support which the Conservative statesmen of this country gave to the great measures which Lord Sydenham has been the means of carrying into effect. The intemperance of the Bishop of Exeter is but a more violent and deter mined type of the feeling manifested with more caution by the less demonstrative partisanship of his Tory coils borateurs. Fortunately, the better spirit prevailed ; and though we look not without anxiety to the first move ments of the new Constitution—to the excitement that must attend a revival of constitutional rights in one part of the Province, and the exercise of electoral pri vileges throughout the Province—we perceive in all the accounts that have reached us, such strong evidences of what we are apt to call sound British feeling, good sense, and practical loyalty, that we cannot but 'allow ourselv6s to believe that if only a fair share of con fidence and support be afforded at home by the peoele, by party men, and by the Government, the prudence, skill, and energy of Lord Sydenham, will meet with effectual support and confidence in Canada. (From the Staudard.) There is a question which we wish to be answered by the Conservative Peers who opposed the Bishop of Exeter's motion upon the San Sulpice ordinance. These Noble Lords profess to believe the ordinance a bad thing in the abstract, a rescinding, indeed, of the Reformation, es far as the province of Canada is concerned, but they hold that the Legislature is bound to sanction the evil, because Lord Bathurst supplied what has been tortured into a precedent for it, and, further, because of the long possession of the monks of St. Sulpice, and of ietimations dropped by Lords Goderich and Aberdeen that this possession might, on certain conditions, (not, however, the conditions reserved in the ordinance) be permitted to continue. Now the question arising upon this argument which we wish to have answered is the following :—Were not the Irish Corporations, lately destroyed by the House of Lords by the active influ ence of some of the Conservative Peers, and with the aid of the learned Recorder of Dublin, entitled to con tinue their existence, and to preserve their privileges and property, upon much stronger arguments (though of the same kind) than those to which the House of Lords, under Conservative guidance, yielded in the case of St. Sulpice ? The Irish Corporation had a possession varying from 650 years to about 250 ; the longest possession that the monks of St. Sulpice could cl tim did not exceed a century, and their posses sion under the English Government was nothing like so long. The right of the Irish Corporations was guaranteed by charters of English Kings, re cognised by solemn Acts of the Legislature, and protected by the law, which forbade that the conduct of corporations should be questioned anywhere but in the supreme court of criminal jurisdiction. The right of the monks of S Sulpice, such as it is, rests upon the charter of a French king, extinguished, as all such charters must be, by the conquest of the province, and on those obscure and equivocal intimations of Minis ters, without legislative authority, to which ,ve have referred. (From the Courier.) We conceive the Times itself will not be disposed to deny that the effect of any sweeping change in the Corn-laws would be to displace a very large propor tion of the working agricultural population, that is, to eject them from the labour market of land, and cast them by consequence upon the labour market of manufac tures, already redundantly supplied, for support. We ask, therefore, how, on what is something more than an hypothesis, the condition of the hand-loom weavers is to be ameliorated by throwing upon their special craft the ruinous competition of, to take a low figure, some two or three hundred thousand additional hands? For to that craft the ejected agricultural labourers must be driven for employment, it employment they were to have at all, inasmuch as hand-loom weaving is the least skilled, the most readily learnt, and the most attainable of any species of industrial occupation whatever. A man, woman, or child may acquire the art of weaving a piece of calico or fustian in a week, and in a month would become a veteran in the service. The Times, we know, would argue that by letting in foreign corn the fold of manufactures would be enlarged so as to absorb beneficially, both for new comers and old prac titioners, the additional mass of labour tkns displaced by the abolition of the Corn-laws and forced upon manu factures. Non constat : nothing can be more false than such an inference from such premises. Tncre is no conceivable improvement in our foreign trading relations which could achieve such a consummation. All nations have, and have long had, their own special industrial and n:anufacturing interests to care for and to encour age, and there is not one where those interests are not of as old, or older, date than in this country, whatever be the supremacy to which we have attained in parti cukr branches. SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. (LLOYD'S.) VESSELS SPOKEN WITH.--The Highlander, Liverpool to Valparaiso, off Cape Horn ; Sarah, Berkett, Trieste, 25th ult., off Malaga ; Quiz, of London, Ist inst, off Cape Spartel, by the Oscar, arrived at Portsmouth. John Graham, bound to the Cape of Good Hope, 13th inst., lat. 47, lon. 9; Ann, Cornhill, Brixham to Gibraltar, 14th, by the Perseverance, arrived at Plymouth. Surprise, of Dartmouth, from Liverpool, sth inst., by the Eclipse, arrived at Plymouth. Aurora, Newcastle to Bermuda, 15th, off Scilly, by the Brothers, Lewis, arrived at Falmouth. EAST INDIA SHIPPING. Arrivals.—The Carena, Tayden, from Bengal at Liverpool, sailed 2d Nov.;Eccles, Paul, from Penang, in the Downs , sailed 2d Dec. :Ludlow, Brunton, from Mauritius, off Ply mouth, sailed 15th Nov., St. Helena 26th Dec. ; Forth, Lamhpom, Batavia, off Hastings, sailed in Nov. ; Victoria, Saunders, from New Zealand, at Bristol, in 103 days; Sybilla, Knowles, from Mauritius, at Bristol, sailed 23d Dec. Arrivals at Mauritius.—The George Canning, Harvey, Dec. 17, from Havre ; Manchester, Turner , from Ma ranset ; Ewell Grove, Parrett, 18th, from London; Graham, Mitchell, 19th, from Calcutta; Cape packet, Lamb, from Ceylon ; Ganges, Fadzer, from Moulmein; Seven, Prance, from London ; Widgeon, Capes, from Calcutta ; Tiger, Loulieth, from Foulpointe. Departures from Mauritius.—The Spartan, Miller, Dec. 15, from Waterford; Regina, Poole, 17th, for Calcutta ; Mary Smice, Boyd, 18th, for Liverpool: Mary Nixon, Field, for London. The David Scott is loading for Rangoon and Cal cutta ; Placid, Maw, to sail 23d for Cork ; the Europe, from London to Bombay, had been surveyed and abandoned. Arrivals in Table Bay, Cape of Good Hope.—Charles Car ter, Brcad, Jan. Bth, from La Guayra ; Lord Goderich, Ray, 9th, from Manilla; Mary Nixon, Field, 12th, from Mauritius. Arrivals at Madeira.—The Paragon, Cumming, Jan. 31, from London, sailed Feb. 4th, to Madras. Departures from Batavia.—The Eliza, Mann, Nov. 8, for London. Departure from Sourabaya, Louisa, Pallot, Nov. 9th, for London. THE APPROACHING CENSUS.—Active pre partitions are now being made for tatting the decennial census, and instructions io this effect have already been sent to the Registrars in the different parishes of the United Kingdom. Ecch parish will be divided into different districts, extending from fifty to eighty houses, and the inquiries will be made by intelligent persons residing in the neighbourhood, to be appointed by the kcal R-gistrars. Each of the agents so appointed will have to deliver the notices at the houses, and on the Ist of July have t) fill up all the details respecting the age, sex, employment, &c., of the different occupants. On Monday, a circuler was issued from the Home-office to the different district registrars, assigning as a rate of re muneration the sum of ten shillings for every fifty houses, with one additional shilling for every ten houses above this number. The Inspectors will be appointed from intelli gent tradesmen and others in the different districts, by which means authentic details will be ensured. Inspectors have already been appointed for the purpose in most of the parishes in the eastern districts of the metropolis. VIENNA, MARCH 4.—Travellers who come from Russian Poland, assert that notwithstanding all that has bean said to the contrary, there is certainly an ex traordinary accumulation of troops in that )t.itigdora, and that they nun*** is at least 00,000 Men, TEI V, SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, MARCH 19, 1811. IMPEAIAL PARLIAMENT. _ HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 18. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his scat on the Woolsack at Five o'Clock. _ Messengers from t! - e Commons brought up the Mutiny Bill, the Marine Mutiny Bill, the Rum Duties Bill, the South Western Railway Amendment Bill, and several private Bills, which were read a first time. The Marquis of NORMAN BY laid upon the table the nine'eerth Report of the Inspectors-General of Prisons in Inland. The Duke of ARGYLL presented several peti tions from places in Scotland, praying for the abolition of Church patronage ; and one from a place in Scotland, praying for an alteration of the law of pa tronage. In the prayer of the latter, he fully con curred. The Duke of CLEVELAND presented petitions from Down, Stockton, and other places in Durham, in favour of the Drainage of Houses Bill ; also a pe tition from a Surveyor of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, pray ing for an atcration or repeal of the Corn-laws. The Bishop of BANGOR presAited a petition from the C:ergy of Angleiea, praying that the propos..el union of the dioceses of Bangor and St. Asaph might not take pl tee. The Earl of ROSEBERY presented a petition from some place in Scotland, in favour of a revision of the Import Duties. EAST INDIA RUM DUTIES BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved that the East India Rum Duties Bill, which Lai that night been brought up from the House of Commons and read a first time, should be printed ; and he gave notice that he should move that it be read a second time on Tuesday next. POOR-LAWS (IRELAND). The Marquis of NORMAN BY said that before his Noble Friend opposite moved that the exa mination of Mr. Stanley be resumed, he thought it right to state to their Lordships that he had received a letter from Mr. Shaw Lefevre, one of the Poor-law Commissioners, as to the omission of a paragraph in one of the letters which had been hid before their Lordships. That geLtleman stated that himself and Mr. Lewis had locked over the returns, and that they had approved of the omission of the para graph in question, as it had no relation wha'ever to any matter connected . either with the election of of Poor-law Goa*diaa for Cionme!, or to any proceed ings connected with the Poor-law. Their Lordships had the letter ❑ow printed in their hands, and the pas sage in question merely stated that the writer had seen the Attorney-General three fines, who had seemed well disposed towards him, but that nothing bad been done, and requesting that the person to whom the let ter was addressed would, it he saw the Attorney- General, remind him. Under these circumstances, the Poor-liw Commissioners had omitted that portion which they considered a priv.lte letter. With regard to Mr. Nichol , , that gentleman's return to Ireland had been delayed for a few days, and he was gill in London. He made that announcement in order that any Noble Lord might have an opportunity of examin ing that gentleman if it should be thought requisite. The Duke of WELLINGTON thought he had better appear at the Bar. One observation had struck him forcibly as most important while the Noble Mar quis was reading the letter, it was this—it was obvious from that letter that this Mr. Butler was a dealer in politics, and if he recollected rightly, that on which the Poor-law Commissioners for Ireland prided them selves—that which they had said over and over again, was, We must take care to have nothing to say to po• • liticians ; and, with that letter before them, they up pointed this person. That showed how necessary it was that the Act of Parliament should be obeyed, in order that all the motives to these appointments might be made distinctly apparent. Their Lordships ought to have before them the whole proceedings of the Board, so that they might know the motives of the appointment, and what was the character of the individual. The clause in the Act of Parlia ment was little obeyed in Ireland, and he was afraid as little in England—(Hea-)—so that there was no tracing any ac of the Commissioners, as every thing was in their hands. In fact, they might do what they pleased. Lord ELLEN BOROUG H entirely disagreed with the Noble Marquis that the omitted paragraph was unconnected with the appointment. He thought that when Butler inserted the paragraph in his letter to Mr. Phelan, what was in his mind was, that when Mr. Phelan showed it to the Attorney-General, the latter would say, " It is true he has been of use to me in Clon mel, and he is a very troublesome fellow. It would be quite as well to get rid of him at once, and if you can give him the pl ice, it would be a great relief to me."—( A laugh.) The Marquis of NORMANBY agreed with the Noble Duke that the construction might be put upon the letter that Mr. Butler was a partizan, and that it was the duty of the Commissioners to select persons for the office who were not partizans, if such could be found in Ireland.—(Hear, and a laugh.) He believed that Mr. Fennell, the opponent of Mr. Butler was also well known as a partizan.—( Hear, hear.) The Earl of GLENGALL assured the Noble Mar quis that such was not the fact.—( He ir, hear.) The Marquis of NORMANBY had heard the name very often in connexion with the party politics of Clonmel. Ttie Earl of GLENGALL—That was the name of his brother.—(Laughter.) The Marquis of NORMANBY had not known that there were two Fennells, but he knew that there was one of the name a partisan, if not two. There was no proof at present that the Commissioners ever saw the letter to Mr. Phelan. Lord FITZGERALD said the witness Stanley stated that the appointment had taken place upon the recommendation of Phelan.—Heir.) The Earl of GLENGALL said that Mr. Phelan must have known that Mr. Butler was a politician. He either proposed or seconded the Member for the Borough of Clonmel. The Marquis of NORMANDY said there was no evidence to show that the Poor-law Commissioners knew him to be a politician. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that. Mr. Butler seemed capable of producing proof of an extra ordinary nature, for he stated to the Poor-law Commis sioners not only that he did not attend any political mcetingv, but that he did not belong to any political party whatever. Mr. Stanley was then called in and his evidence resumed. By the Earl of GLENGALL—He held in his hand the letter of Mr. Bagwell to the Poor-law Commissioners, in which he stated that on minute inquiry he had found that Mr. Butler was an unfit person for the office of returning offixr of the Clonmel Union, for reasons which he need not state. Mr. Nicholls had seen that letter. Mr. Nicholls had been previously in London, but he had returned by the middle of March, and the letter was then shown to him. Mr. Nicholls had written a letter to Mr. Hawley inquiring into the qualifications of Mr. Butler, and stating that a neutral man would be on all occasions best fitted for offices under the Poor-law, and that party men should be avoided. Mr. Hawley stated in reply, in a letter which was dated from Tipperary, that Mr. Butler was nephew of the Roman Catholic Archbishop, Mr. Slattery, and that he had been strongly recommended to them. He said that he was a re spectable person, and had been improperly complained of by Mr. Bagwell, and that the complaint could only have reference to the Prelate above-.mentioned. Mr. Healey thought that his appointment gave general satis faction in Clonmel. The Commissioners directed Mr. Hawley to inquire into the qualification of Mr. Butler, and did not to his knowledge consult Mr. Phelan on the subject up to that time. They had no Report but that from Mr. Hawley. By a NOBLE PEER—Nor had he any reason to sup pose that any other inquiry had been instituted. By the Duke of WELLINGTON—Mr. Nicholls had not at that time before him the letter from Mr. But ler to Mr. Phelan, dated February 6, 1839. His belief was that Mr. Nicholls had never seen that letter until it had been moved for in the return presented to the House. It was then obtained from the Assistant-Com missioners. By Lord ELLENBOROUGH—He could not say at what place Mr. Hawley was when the letter of Mr. Bagwell had been referred to him. He might have been in Clonmel that day, and the next evening in Tipperary. This letter was referred to Mr. Hawley on the 14th. If it had been sent to any other place but Tipperary, it would not have bean received by Mr. Hawley until the 16th, the day on which he answered it. The Commissioners stated in their answer that they had made further inquiries. He believed they had not made further inquiries, but they expected Mr. Hawley had done so. He could not say how they could have supposed that, as Mr. Hawley had done so, lie not being in the place when the inquiry was to be made. Mr. Hawley might have made inquiry in Clon mel, and returned to Tipperary on the 16th, and written his letter on the evening of that day. By Lord FITZGERALD—The Commissioners had no idea that sufficient inquiry bad not been made by Mr. Hawley. By Lord ELLENBOROUGH—The Commis sioners, in their letter of the 18th, stated not only that they had made further inquiry, but that they had re ceived strong recommendations in favour of Mr. Butler. He believed the Commissioners had made no further inquiries themselves, but they might have inquired through the Assistant-Commissioners, who could have sent them those strong recommendations. He could not say whether Mr. Hawley applied to Mr. Bagwell to know his reasons for stating that Mr. Butler was an unfit person for the office. He could not say to what parties Mr. Hawley applied for information. By the Duke of WELLINGTON—He had no actual knowledge of the fact of Mr. Butler having compounded with his creditors, but he had heard it stated. That fact was not known in the office of the Poor-law Commissioners in Dublin. It was not ( clay to the Board. They had no statement of that feint ih the inquiry, It WEIS not etated, he believed, by Mr. Bagwell. Certainly it was not stated to the Com missioners in any way. By Lord FITZGERALD—Mr. Bagwell stated he was not fitted for the office for reasons be need not mention. Mr. Bagwell is the principal owner of pro perty in Clonmel. By the Earl of GLENGALL—He could not say that Mr. Bagwell would be on that account the person best fitted for knowing the qualifications of Mr. Butler —other persons might be equally well informed on the subject. He thought it was natural that the Commis sioners should have consulted the person who made the complaint, and who was so well calculated to give an answer on the subject. The Board had no conversa tion with Mr. Hawley with respect to the statement that Mr. Bagweli's objection to his appointment was founded on the fact of his being the nephew of the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Cashel. Lord REDESDALE—Do you mean to assert to day that the appointment was made at the recommen dation of Mr. Phelan, before any recommendation came from the Assistant-Commissioners of the Union ? Witness—l think so. And you, in the office, considered him as already appointed when the recommendation of the Assistant- Commissionerswasreceived ? Witness believed that the appointment was made primatily and chiefly upon the recommendation of Mr. Phelan. Lord REDESDALE—Come, now, I will have a dis tinct yes or no to my question.—(A liugh.) What I want to know is, was the appointment made upon Mr. Phelau's recommendation, without waiting for the letter of the Assistant •Commissioner Witness believed it was. By Lord GLENG ALL—The selection made by the Assistant-Commissioners was always ratified by the Poor-law Cammissioners before it took place. Mr. Phelan never made a report to the Poor-law Comrnis siocers, who received the recommendation from the As sistant-Commissioners. The Assistant-Commissioners selected Mr. Butler, and, on their recommendation, the appointment was made, as is usual in such cases. He had no reason to suppose that Mr. Hawley inquired of Mr. Bagwell his reasons for stating that Mr. Butler was on improper person. The inquiries had been made before the report of Mr. Phelan bad been received. The letter of Mr. Hawley had no influence on the ap pointment. The appointment took place on the official report of the Assistant-Cou.missioners, who were held responsible for the appointinent, and for the proper exe cution of his duty by the returning officer. Witness had seen Mr. Bianconi only twice in his life to his re collection. The general rumour was that Mr. Bianconi was a reformer in politics ; had never heard that Mr. Bianconi was a repealer. He was not aware that other inquiries had been made except of Mr. Bianconi. 'time Earl of GLENGALL would not ask any more questions on that point, but would proceed to another. Witness then stated, in answer to questions from the Noble Earl, that all the papers had been laid on the table in the Returns of February and May last, but which at that time were in possession of the Commissioner& Was not aware whether any papers were now in the office relating to the insolvency of Mr. Butler. Had heard it said that he was in insolvent circumstances, but had never heard that he had been actually an insolvent or a bankrupt. In answer to Lord GLENGALL, witness said that the omission of a letter from Mr. Fennell, complaining of the conduct of tee returning officer (Butler), in the " mock election" of Guardians, was occasioned by the negligence of the Clerk, who overlooked it in the portfolio, from which he took the other papers. Butler, whilst returning officer, was elected also valuator of the Union, but the Commissioners disallowed the election, and the Board of Guardians appointed a person named Wall in his place. Witness did not know that a letter from Ped der was received, stating that Wall was the brother-in law of Butler, and would merely act as his locum tenens. Thinks it likely there was such a letter, for the Com missioners disallowed that appointment also. The wit ness read several letters that passed between the Poor law Commissioners and Mr. Fennell respecting the ep appointment of Mr. P. Wall as a valuer. The Com missioners thought he was as fit for the appointment as he was to be Lord Chancellor of Ireland. They had been included in the Return to the Houso from some oversight. The protest of Mr. Fennel and others was not in the Return, because they protested not in the , enaracter of Poor-law Guardians but as Magistrates. Witness thought it extraordinary, that after the return ing officer was disallowed to act as valuator, his brother-in-law, and afterwards his nephew, should bo appointed to that situation. Did not think it necessary to, make a full return on the subject ; merely selected for the return what he thought necessary. Mr. O'Donohoe was opposed to the appointment of Mr. Butler. _ _ By the Marquis of NORMANBY—The date of witness's appointment as Assistant Secretary was Au gust, 1838, when the Commission first came icto operation. Throughout the entire of the time since the Commission came into operation the pressure of business was very great. There is no correspondence with Mr. O'Donohoe on the subject of Butler's appoint ment as returning officer previous to such appointment. If there had been, it would have beep included in the returns. Mr. 0 - Donohoe is not the Assistant-Com nnissioner of that union, therefore he did not think there cowl be any such correspondence. The Earl of GLENGALL desired that the witness would search for such correspondence, and that, if any such were found, it should be returned to the House. The witness was then ordered to withdraw. The Marquis of NORMANBY said that Mr. Wordsworth, the clerk, and Mr. Nicholls, were both in attendance if their Lordships wished to examine them. He had observed that after a certain hour the attend ance became very thin, and perhaps it would be better to fix a time for their examination. The Duke of WELLINGTON wished the witness to be re-called, and Mr. Stanley re-appeared at the bar accordingly. The Duke of WELLINGTON—Returns have been ordered relating to the Naas Union—will those returns be soon laid before the House ? Witness—l will de all in my power to expedite them on my return to Dublin, and I have sent off directions by this night's post, for the utmost dispatch to be used in the preparation of them. The Marquis of NORMANBY, in reference to what had fallen from the Noble Duke, begged to re mark, that in order to prepare those returns, the pre sence of Mr. Stanley was even more requisite in Dublin than that of Mr. Nicholls. Perhaps if the House had no further questions to ask, he might be permitted to return. He would suggest that Mr. Wadsworth, the clerk should be now called in and examine 3, and that the examination of Mr. Nicholls should be proceeded with to-morrow. The Earl of GLENGALL would then take that opportunity of putting a few more questions to Mr. Stanley. The witness was accordingly recalled, and in answer to questions from the Earl of Glengall, stated that complaints had been received at the Office of the Poor-law Commissioners of Mr. Butler's having refused to deliver up to his successor the voting papers until certain demands of his were complied with ; that in the Unions of C!ogher, Tipperary, and Nenagh, the Com missioners had apppointed the High Constables as re turning officers, but that in the Clonmel and Cashel Unions they had not ; Clonmel and Cashel returned Members to Parliament. Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved tha witness be ordered to withdraw. Mr. Stanley accordingly left the bar. Lord ELLEN BOROUGH was sorry to interrupt his Noble Friend, but their Lordships should recollect the purpose for which the examination had been corn• menccd, and although circumstances in the course of it had transpired which might'wurrant his Noble Friend hereafter in moving for a Select Committee to inquire into the manner in which the Poor-law Commissioners had performed their duty, or to move for a general exa mination at the bar on the subject, yet he submitted that at present it would be contrary to the rules of the House to go into a subject with which they had then nothing to do. The Earl of GLENGALL would not pursue the examination of Mr. Stanley any further. That gentleman accordingly retired, and Mr. Wadsworth was called in and examined By the Earl of GLENGALL—Witness was a clerk in the Poor-law C o mmissioners'-office in Dublin, in Feb., 1839. Did not copy the returns made to that House in 1840. Thinks Mr. Armstrong did. Had been in the office five years. Believes that the business of the Poor-law Commissioners is carried on in Ireland very nearly on the same system as in England. In Ireland, and in England also, the answers to letters are some times noted on the back. Sometimes a draft of the answer is made upon a separate sheet of paper. Com munications are made from th© Commissioners in Dub lin to the London Commissioners of all important letters, and information received by the former. Did not write the letter to Mr. Fennell on the 19th, but com pared it with the original draft. The letter exactly corresponded with the draft. Witness himself tviotcti the draft, but could not say from which of the Com missioners he received instructions to write the draft. been ati i r n . Butler Could not say whether b e received instruct ions from Mr. Phelan or not. There m ust haveb knowledge that the nes s w office leoud previouswas to note be t tthe w s a to the hNen l 6 it th of e Februaryn a returning wn officer,d v but be (wit- By Lord NORMABY—He believed be must have received some v erbal instructions to alter the re turn after he had received his instructions from Mr. Earle. He could not state why Mr. Earle's order was not obeyed ; he supposed that gentleman had revoked his order. The witness was then ordered to withdraw. The Marquis of NORMAN B said, as Mr. Phelan was ordered to attend the House on Monday next, would their Lordships proceed with the examination of Mr. Nicholls to-morrow,? They had almost all the heads of the Commission in attendance, and it must lead to public inconvenience; The Earl of GLENG ALL would proceed with the exam i nat i on o f Mr, Nicholls tomorrow. The Hem then Adjourned nt Eigld o'clock. HO USE OF COMMONS, Midges 18. SPEAKERThe took the Chair at Four o'Clock. The Whitby Improvement Bill was read a third and passed. On the motion of Mr. HINDLEY the British India Sugar Company's Bill was real a first time. The South Western Railway Bid was read a third time and passed. Lord JAMES STUART brought in the Ardres san Harbour 13d 1 , which was read a first time. Mr. PALMER presented a petition against the Medical Bill of Mr. Hawes. Mr. EASTHOPE presented thirty petitions from v ar i o us places, praying for the abolition of Church rates, the abolition of Ecclesiastical Courts, and the release of Mr. W. Baines. Also one signed by six thousand inhabitants of Leicester, of all shades of religion and politics ; it was signed by the Mayor, all the Aldermen, and Common-Council. They stated that they had seen with indignatio❑ and regret William Baines, a man every way worthy their estt ern and regard, immured in a gaol for no moral offence, but merely for conscience sake. They believed that such a proceeding was calculated to produce the greatest mischief, and they prayed for the immediate liberation of Mr. Baines, for the extinction of Church rates, and the abolition of the jurisdiction of the Eccle sia tics! Mr. H. SMITH presented petitions from the Board of Guardians of a Union in Somersetshire against cer tain clauses in the Poor-law Amendment Bill, and a petition against any further grant to the College of Maynooth. Mr. LOCH presented a petition from the Glasgow, Paisley, aad Greenock Railway Company, praying for a reduction of the duty on railway passengers ; a petition from Glasgow praying for a modification of the import duties ; from the Chamber of Commerce of Glasgow to the same efEct ; from the Provost and Town Council of Wick for a repeal of the Corn-laws ; and from the fish-curers of Sutherland and Caithness praying that the Fishing Board might not be abolished. Sir. G. CREWE presented petitions from several places in Derby against certain clauses in the Poor-law B 11. Mr. ROUND presented a petition from the Board of Guardians of Dunmore, in Essex, praying the conti nuance of the Poor-law Commissioners for five years, and tuat out-door relief might be extended in certain cases. congregation of Protestant Dissenters, praying for the abolition of Church-rates, and Eeclesiastical Courts. netted with local interests, and who would advocate the claims of different places, extending along the whole coast. He thought that the appoint ment of a Committee would tend greatly to defeat the object. He admitted that there was one part of the Report of the Commissioners uptin which there was some doubt, and upon which it might be necessary to have further information. It was thought that the object might be effected at a smaller expense. If it could be done for a quarter of a million instead of two millions, all parties must desire such a result ; but he thought that that saving would be much better effected by the proper officers. Ho trusted that his Hoe. Friend, upon the assurance that the informa tion which he possessed should be referred to the oil cers appointed by the Treasury, would not render it necessary to go to a division. Mr. MACKINNON wished to say a f e w words in answer to the Right Honourable Gentle man the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The Right Hon. Gentleman objected to the Committee beeawe only gereral rearons bad been given for its appointment. He would beg leave to call the Right Honourable etteution to one point, which he (Mr. M‘Kinnon) thought should be a cause of his ad mitting the Committee to be appointed in the rest nt care. It was well known that along the coast of Sussex shingles collected in great quantities at the entrance of harbours There were two descriptions of harbours—one was called a Lack-water harbour, the other a deep-water harbour Of the former description of harbour there were trio on the coast of Kent—Dover and Ramsgate. 'Dime harbours were cleansed out by the backwater, which as it retired met the shingles, and in conse quence a deposit was made at the entrance of the harbour, which formed what was called a bar, which in a few years would accumu litl to such size as to render the harbour utterly useless. The other description of harbour—the deep water— was such as was found et Dunleary or Kingstown, outside Dublin. how, he would leave it to the Right Hon. Gentleman whether or not it was worth while to ascertain which of these two descrip tions of harbours should be made on the coast of Sus sea. The settling of that point might save the country millions, while the expense of a Co.ernittee was nothing. He could see no objection whatever to the ascertaining of that point. They would thereby get the opinions of engineers, who were at variance on the subject, which ade 'ed, Mr. GROTE gave notice, that in Committee on the Poor -law Bill, he would move an alteration of the 17th clause, in order to provide more easy employment for the casual poor in the unions of the City of Loi.don. Mr. HALFORD gave notice of some amendments he intended to propose in the Committee on the Poor law Bill. FACTORIES. Mr. F. MAULE gave notice that on Monday next be should move for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the employment of persons in factories. On the motion of Sir HESKETH FLEETWOOD certain returns were ordered relative to the County Court of Lancaster. • Mr. HOGG moved for leave of absence for Sir Richard Jenkins until after Easter. Mr. PATTISON objected to the motion, and sub mitted whether the Hen. Member ought net to state some special reason for his motion. Mr. HOGG said he applied on the ground of indis position ; and when he stated that Sir Richard Jenkins had been for two years Chairman of the Court of Directors of the East India Company, that he had been in constant attendance almost every day from ten till five, superadded to his attendance in that House, and that his general health was so impaired that he had been ordered to go abroad for its restoration, he had no doubt the House would grant the indulgence asked for. Mr. PATTISON—I saw Sir Richard Jenkins at the Opera House on Monday last.—(Great laughter.) I move, Sir, that the application be postponed for a week. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but Mr. ELLIOT rose and said, that he hoped his Hon. Friend would not oppose the motion for leave of absence. Mr. HOGG had already stated to the House that Sir Richard Jenkins was generally affected in his health, and perhaps the worst of all illness was that affecting a man's general health—when a man was ill, and could not tell what was the matter with him.— (Roars of laughter.) He must express his surprise that any Hon. Member would offer opposition to the motion under such circumstances. Mr. PATTISON hoped the Hon. Member's me dical attendant would be examined.—(Oh.) Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but no division took ;lace, and the motion was agreed to. • Mr. GRI MSDITCH preseuted five petitions against The dropped . Orders were then read over, for the of the two descriptions of harbours ought to be adoptea. ,he Poor-law Bila purpose of being replaced on the Books. He must repeat, that he thought it worth while to ape Mr. HIND LEY presented a petition from 6,000 II ARBOURS OF REFUGE. point a Committee to inquire into the subject. He did inhabitants of Ashton-undealine, in favour of a reinis- Mr. RICE, in moving the appointment of a Select not :tote his own opinions merely, on the subject of the sion of the sentence on Frost, Williams, and Jones ; Committee on the state of the harbours on the south- difference of harbours ; what he had stated arose from from 800 inhabitants of the same place against Lord cistern coast, to whom the Report of the Commission a conversation he had held with persons e, ell acquainted Stanley's Irish Registration Bel ; and also a petition of 1840 should be referred, said that it would be pre- with the subject. praying for the abolition of Church-rates. sumptuous in him to offer any opinion as to the merits Captain PECH ELL thought that the subject was Mr. SCHOLEFIELD presented a petition from of the question, but he would state the opinions of those of great importance to the maritime interests of the Birmingham in favour of the abolition of Church-rates who were better able to form an opinion on the subject. country. 'file Right Hon. Gentleman objected to and the liberation of Mr. Baines. He could assure Hon. Gentlemen that in endeavour- granting a Committee, because he thought his Hon. Au HON. MEMBER presented a petition from a place ing to call their attention to the subject, it was his wish Friend ought to have brought before the House resolu in the county of Surrey, praying for Church Extension. to divest himself, as far as possible, of every considers- tions conformable to the Report of the Commission. Mr. A. WHITE presented petitions from the Bap- tion of a local re tare. The question was one of great But he (Captain Peehell) maintained that that Corn tists of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, praying for the extinction national importance, affecting the honour, the security, mittee would be of the greatest advantage. It would of Church-rates and the abolition of Ecclesiastical and commercial prosperity of this country. When he draw from engineers, and others concerned in the sub- Courts. first ventured to propose this inquiry to the House, the ject, very important evidence. He was really sur- An HON. MEMBER presented a petition from Derby, only objection urged against it was that it was of prised that the Chancellor of the Exchequer should praying that alterations be made in the Poor-law too limited a nature—that,it ought to be extended oppose the motion, which had met with his cordial Amendment Bill. to other parts of the coast.—(Hear, hear.) Among support. Mr. H. BERKELEY presented a petition from those by whom that objection was stated was a Gallant Mr. DARBY thought the Report of the Conamis- Dorset, objecting to curtain clauses in the Poor-law Officer, then Member for Devonport, who was also of sioners, which he held in his hand, fully justified the Amendment Bid. opinion, however, that the inquiry was, in the first place, motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for Dover. Mr. F. FRENCH presented petitions, praying for immediately necessary to be applied to those narrow seas Tile Commissioners reported that Ramsgate Harbour the abolition of the tolls on Southwark, Vauxhall, and where steam navigation was carried on to the greatest ex- was the best on the south-eastern coast, although they Waterloo-bridges. tent. Every friend of humanity must hope that peace should said it had no natural advantages. It had no Mr. BAILEY presented a petition from the che- be preserved, but still its preservation was very preca- backwater, nor was it protected from any wind mists and druggists of Sudbury, against the Medical rious. The present French Government, to whose po- but a land-wind. It offered no protection from winds Reform Bill. hey we were indebted for peace at the present mo- from the sea. Yet that was . the only harbour Mr. 'l'. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from went, had declared that a defensive policy was the most for the protection of the shipping on that Plymouth, signed by 1,367 persons, praying for the re- likely to preserve peace. M. Guiaot, in his speech in coast. It was acknowledged to be wholly lease of FroA, Williams, and Jones; and another to the Chamber of Deputies, in January last, said that inadequate, yet the Right Honourable the Chancellor the same effect from Tavistock ; also a petition from what England and Germany were doing, was with a of the Exchequer refused a Committee. He re sin individual named Moyle, residing in Blackfriars-road, view to preserve peace. But while we were neglecting fused a Committee—was he prepared to say that praying for the liberation of Mr. Feargus O'Connor ; the state of our harbours, the French Government was the Government would act upon the Report of also a petition from Sheffield in favour of the repeal of engaged in improving theirs. Their estimate for this the Commissioners? He acknowledged that bar the Corn-laws. purpose was 5,100,0001., and in 1839 it was 2,600,0001. hours were necessary would lie say that the Col. THOS. WOOD presented a petition from the It was to this subject the attention of our Government Government would construct them ? If he was Guardians of the Holborn Union, praying for certain should be directed. It had also been long cog- not prepared to say so, why refuse inquiryy alterations in the Poor-laws. Also a petition from the plained of that our harbours of refuge were ne- Could the Hon. Member put his hand upon the Vicar and Churchwardens of Staines, praying the glected. The great loss . of life and property made Report, and show any thing in it so practical House to adopt measures to stop idolatrous practices this a subject of national consideration, and he that it could be carried into execution, in India. could assure the House, from his own experience, within half a century ? And if not, the Commis- Mr. LUDLOW BRUGES presented a petition that it was one which demanded the attention of the sioners were at a loss to know on what grounds they Legislature. The present state of our harbours of .should report. He (Mr. Darby) thought there could be from Bath, praying for increased Church accommodation. Colonel SAL WEY presented a petition from Mr. refuge was a subject of national reproach. When no stronger reason for assenting to the motion. Hayward, a medical practitioner at Egham, praying for foreigners visited this country they naturally cx- Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND regretted that • pected to find that the state of our harbours bore some the Chancellor of the Exchequer had not expressed an alteration in the Poor - laws , as resp e cts the employ proportion to our naval and commercial greatness, himself more distinctly on this most important subject. employ meat of medical practitioners. Sir WILLIAM SOMERVILLE presented a peti- but they found it just the reverse. On the very coast The question was whether our harbours were to be re tion from the Ulster Constitutional Association , signed to which his motion referred, though, during the paired by public expense or by local exertions. If an by the Earl of Charlemont, and by Mr. Sharman Craw- last war, millions were expended in erecting what idea got abroad that every case of shipwreck was to ford and Mr. Ross, the Secretaries of the Association, had been termed useless fortifications, nothing had be a ground for a grant of public money for repairing raying the House to reject Lord Stanley's Bill, for been ex p ended u p on our harbours. It was true our harbours, from that moment all individual exertion p amending the Registration of' Irish Voters. Mr. Pitt entertained extensive designs upon this would cease. A few years ago there had been a g r eat Mr. Q. DICK presented two petitions from places subject, which if he had lived he would probably base contest, in a Committee of the House, whether certain in Essex, against the continuance of the Poonlaw carried lite effect. One great difficulty he (Mr. Rice) harbours required the assistance of the public purse, Commissioners, and for certain ether alterations in the believed was that there was no permanent Board in but it was at last decided that they had no sufficient the country whose business it was to consider and recom- claim, though a similar claim on the part of two other Poor-laws. Mr. W. MILES presented several petitions for mend to the attention of the Government such plans as harbours was allowed. The country ought to know at Church Extension, and for certain alterations in the might seem to them would be of national utility. once whether any aid would be afforded by the Govetp. Poor-laws, from Knaresborough, Castle Cray, and other There was one other ground of objection, that was the meet, or the Government ought to take all harbours places ; also a petition from Durham agast the has- ground of expeme. That, in his opinion, was a legi- of refuge under their especial care. tardy clauses, and for ether alteratiops in the Poor-laws. timate object for the Government to consider. He Mr. PLUMPTRE thought his Hon. Friend the General LYGON presented a petition from the would merely observe, that no public money was ever Member for Darer was perfectly justified in the course spent with so much willingness as that which wont to he had adopted. He would have been perfectly willing county of Worcester, praying for increased Church ac- maintain our naval supremacy. He thought the same to have left the matter in the hands of the Govern commodation. METROPOLITAN IMPROVEMENTS. feeling would concede the means necessary for the due ment, if it had been stated that they intended doing protection of our ships. His object in asking for the anything ; but having heard no such statement, ho Mr. GROTE brought in a Bill for improving the Committee was to lay the question fairly before the Go- must support the motion. approaches to London-bridge. The 13.1 was read 11 vernmeet, for he thought it was a question of too much Mr. C. WOOD thought the House must see that a first time, and ordered to be engrossed. importance to be dealt with by any individual Member the question which had been started by the two Hon. BELFAST HARBOUR. of the House. Considering that the Government had Gentlemen who raised the discussion was very different Mr. E. TENNENT obtained leave to bring in a granted the Commission of Inquiry, he did not think from that which had been discussed. The question Bill to alter and amend the Act for improving the port he was asking too much when he called upon the House argued was that the country ought in some way or and harbour of Belfast. to grant a Committee to consider the Report of the other to provide harbours of refuge on different parts of MAYNOOTH COLLEGE. Commissioners. He would therefore move that a Corn- the coast. The Committee now moved for was to in- Mr. C. BRUCE presented a petition from the mittee be appointed to consider the Report of the Corn- quire into that which had already been inquired into. inhabitants of Elgin against any further grant to the mission of Inquiry into the state of the Harbours on the The Commissioners had distinctly expressed an opinion College of Maynooth. North-Eastern coast. upon the subject, and the hest answer to local interests Mr. SHAW presented a petition from Dublin Mr. PLANTA seconded the motion with much was that they had given a decided opinion against against the sale of spi r its i n th a t c ity on th e Sabbath- cordiality. It was no party question, and he trusted it any existing harbour. In their Report they stated, day. would be considered by both sides of the House in a " It is evident there is no harbour at. the present mo- Mr. GILLON presented a petition from a place in spirit of fairness, and according to its importance. It mcnt between Sheerness and Selsey Bell which Scotland, on the subject of Annuities and Assurances ; was seldom that he troubled the House ; lie hoped, can be considered an available harbour of re-• but the noise in the House prevented the precise im- therefore, to be favoured with their attention for a fuge at all times of tide, or which possesses the port of the petitions, and the designation of the peti- few minutes while he stated his opinion upon capability of being rendered efficient for that purpose tioners, from being heard in the gallery. The Hon. the subject. It was unnecessary for him to by any improeement or alteration that can be made." Member ids° presented a petition f o r an alteration of enter into the details of the question, as they The Commissioners then proceeded to consider how an the rates and taxes imposable on railways. had so ably been laid before the House by his Ho- efficient harbour might. be made, and they stated that Colonel PERCIVAL presented a petition from the pourable Friend, but he would say that the same the most important situations which called for the atten- Sherl and Grand Jury of the Queen's County, corn- reasons existed fur inquiry, as were in existence two tion of the Government and the country were these— plaing of the present administration of the law in Ire- years ago, when the Commission was appointed. the first was at. Dover, the second at Bsachey Head, l a nd, and in favour of Lord Stanley's Registration Bill He trusted the House would not refuse to accede to and the third at the mouth of the Thames. The clues in all its details, the motion of his lion. Friend, because he was sorry to tior, therefore, wee, whether the Government were Mr. MACKINNON presented a p et itio n from the say that the feeling of those parties most interested in prepared to take up one of these plates ; but he did parish of St. Clement Danes, praying for medical re- the inquiry was, that the Commission had not very not see in what respect further or more detailed infor form. materially promoted their wishes or views. He should mation could be obtained. In the same way, if any Mr. ELLIOT presented a petition from Roxburgh, be the list man in the world to saything of the private company was induced to construct the harbour, praying for the release of Mr. Baines and the extinct- investigation that had been going on, but still it must they could employ their own engineer . ; but, so far as don of Church-rates. be allowed that so far as any pr actical result was any general views of the subject were concerned, ho i Mr. FOX MAULE presented petitions from Ar - concerned, none had flowed from the Re p ort of thought the fullest nformat . ion was contained in the gyle, and various other places in Scot'and, praying for the Commissioners. He was aware that it Report. Sir R. PEEL did not see what advantage would the Abolition of Church Patronage. was wrong on an occasion like the present, Cornmittee to revise THE SOCIALISTS, o f n a ers. It appeared to to press forward any particular interests or to lay accrue from the t a h p e po c in o t m m m en i t ss o i Mr. HAWES presented a petition from the Uni- stress on the wishes of any particular locality, but he the . s of versal Religionists, commonly called Socialists, praying must be allowed to say that he considered it to be the him a most able one, and perfectly satisfactory. forlfthey appointed y. for an inquiry into their doctrines, which they stated duty of the representatives of . the people to a Committee, they must either admit a large char© are nowoisunderstood and misrepresented. make known in that House the wishes of their con- exclude local influence, or A mee ting of the inhabitants of the of i t . If it w as excluded how could the Comm ittee be Mr. HUME presented a petition signed by s everal stituents. thousands of the Universal Rational Religionists of I3ir- borough with which he had the honour . to be connected better aide to judge of tinter subject than e xperience. d d e e di minghern to the same effect ; a petition from the medi- took place, at which the Mayor presided, and at that nautical men ?If local est was admitted cal practitioners of Kilkenny and its vicinity in favour of meeting resolutions in support of the views they enter- not think the Committee would be a very harmonious the Bill for the improvement of the medical profession in tamed on the subject were unanimously agreed to. one, and it would be a battle for constituents. For. '- Great Britain and Ireland. Also a petition from twenty- He did most sincerely believe that it was a subject of stance, he did not think the Hon. Member for Hasttingesf two individuals, members of the National Chartist As- importance, not only to the place which he had the would willingly admit the superiority of the PL._ of soclation, complaining of the treatment of Mr. Feargus honour of representing, but to the country at large. Dover.—(A laugh.) They had got the inf°r l, ?l e a ct, 71nd ' O'Connor, and praying the House to address bet . Ma- lie thought further information than that which was the highest professional authorities on the subject, de- also for the purpose of granting him a free pardon, contained in the Report of the Commission was required, he did not see the advantage of the orb err . un also a petition from a public meeting held at Birmina.. and he shought a Committee of the House would be daring that they would make this or a?ato.vhearbour. It be P ham, complaining that prosecutions for the alleged ' most likely to further the objects which the House was impossible that such a work cou ld crime of blasphemy had been renewed by the present ought to have in view.—(Hear.)Government had the and extensive a character, and all wa sof too important Government. The petitioners stated, that they consi- The question having been put, ready to construct one dered the law as it now stands on the subject of such The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER a right to say was that they . wae,71,e00,0001. or two mil upon the Commis prosecution unjust and anomalous. They complained could assure the Hon. Gentlemen that they need not of these harbours, setting alee; iing that Mr. Hetherington had been lately tried and sen- hove apologised for calling the attention of the House lions for that purpose, andoaclrliy for such an object, re tenced for the publication of a book ; and they oh- to a subject of so much importance, not only as re- sioners to name the best 10 0, its efficient construction served that three parties had been tried for the sale gaided their local interests, but the commercial in- gardless of the expense $! (Sir R. peel) thought it would of a work, the original author of which had given terests and safety of the country. His Hon. Friends would occasion. 110 rage to have either one or two himself up, and had never been prosecuted. They had dealt with the general subject, and had adduced be an immense 1 3 r ( g b i i v o v u o ra prepay b ee nl e o d d a fo t i r o thein time contingencyoireeof h e hoped a . complained that Mr. Ilayward, who had published Has. very few arguments or reasons why a Committee really efficient con:init r touc trust construct them them, lag's Letters, had been brought to trial, and found s hould be appointed on the present occasion. If war as well as t h e ' ghilty.—(Cries of " Order, order.") The Hon. G en tl e - th e y had come forward with some resolution If the House effectually, and man proceeded ~ to sav, that those were the statements as to what ought to be practically done, he (the that they wouldse at Doverand was the ea Ramsgate, spend of the petition ; and if they were not allowed to be Chancellor of the Exchequer) would have been not, as e. ors 00,0001. without reaping advantage. read, the House might as well prevent altogether able to have dealt with the subject, and he should eOO,O OO resent state of the revenues of tale any; he the right of petitioning. Ile would say it was folly— very much like to hear from them on what In t i t h j e n o p t r press upon her Majesty'suovtaeicloutntory;astye te r I ll (Order, order.) He would repeat it.—(Renewed cries grounds they thought any further inquiry was cou . ernt en tilie l he e o f thie measure ; but, ;,t t - adeptio of " Order.") necessary. The House would recollect that, in con 1 , e d that the House would not a. the makdeclaratione a The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Member was sequence of a discussion list Session, a Conenittese w ( l ' i l ich would imply ot maee a . that the object was not a dem - - quite out of order in making these observations, was appointed for the very same purpose as that. for able one. Mr. HUME had a right to state his opinions in spite which it was now proposed to appoint a Commits 6t Mr. RICE replied. l i e onght replied. of any opposition.—(Renewed cries of " Order, order.") He would not refer to farmer speeches, or was sub- Strangersordered withdraw, and the The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Member in show it was then argued and admitted that it was . . . were then to tea Commission house divided, when there appeared 38 a petition, should confine himself to stating ject which could be much better referred then made was For the motion ..................... 38 its substance. than a Committee. But whether the chewed d the • - te ,an c ie.y 102 Against it ..... ... ................... Mr. HU i\IE had been doing so, and, if the House right or wrong the Commisidonhad rep or . which . i,--64 understand, it Majority against the motion... had hem irregular, he was regular.—(Order, order.) same objects, so far as he couldte before ero _ e a Cam ce N LA ROCHE. CASE OF CAPTAIN He had been about to state the substaime of the peti- was now proposed to investiaa . 1 a 1 • gcd a mum's- Mr. ALSTON then rose to move that the petition don but he had been prevented ; it appeared to him had already been investia whose ' . ' r opinions he of Captain La Roche, R.N., be . that the House was about to abolish the right of peti- sion, composed 0f • partiesly to have moreweight Committee. After referring to the services of the pea tinning altogether.—(Cries of " Oh, oh," and" Chair.") thought were v ery "'Committee fthat Member stated C • o House.— titioner, the Hon. The SPEAKER—PIease to bring them up. than the Report of any . But he would state one or two reasons Roche was brought to a court-martial for not having Mr. HUME—I will bring them up when I have 1 (Hear, hear.) the appointment of a Committee a ction and engaged a brig and sloop in the of brought , to explained.—(The Hon. Member was met with loud I why he though s t vould be • a most inexpedient pro- port of Cherbourg*, and the charge havingbeen, as al - cries een, as was a - cries of " Ole oh," upon every attempt to explaie, and 1 that House proved, he was dismissed from his command. Use of the objects which it was pro-loped, partly after several unsuccessful efforts to make himself heard, 1 ceeding. On the The Hon. Member then read a correspondence which pose to i n vestigate was defence of the coast. e . . he brought up the petitions amidst loud laughter. c o uld not see what advantage would be derived hid taken place upon the subject with the Government Mr. ARCHD ALL presented a petition from the ' He the Committee takenwith various lutter of g evidence as to the best and county of Fermanagh, aga i ns t the Registration . B 11 of! from for disembarkation publication whom all bore strong testimony to the high professional the Government, and in favour of that Introduced by of .. ion or from the of that evidence,There wou ld b e upon the Coca. character of Mr. La Roche, This gentleman was a Lord Stanley. • , , very old Man, and all he desired WO -11 A means of Mee a rel man Mr. G. W. WOOD presented a petition from a m gv. y Mealhera who were tAm .. _ . . . - . EVENING EDITION. ~~u I wee k ,re I be at c ur . Wag Li i" ,tter n( o f