The Sun. — London, England, 1841-05-13 00:00:00

EVENING EDITION THE SHAWL MANUFACTURE IN FRANCE. (From a Fronch publication.) One of the brightest productions of France, the one which has, perhaps, displayed most conspicuously the manufacturing genius of our country, occupying sixty thonsand workmen, and throwing every year into cirenlation a capital of 40,000,000 frames, the shawl industry is alarmed, and dreads an unex pected competition. It also calls upon the Government to protect it against foreign countries which threaten its very ex istence. Let us first bestow a few words on the manufacture itself, it will enable us to . jedge more correctly of the evil it labours under, and of the etfieacy of the remedy it demands. The shawl, as is well known, derives its origin from India, . and the valley of Caohmere is still the head-quarters of a large yiknufacture Which find its debauches in Southern and Western Asia. In wise of those countries do the women we shawls as' clotting ; it is to them a splendid ornament s an elegant drapery watch they twist round their heads, fold upon their arinaa er gracefully thrbw en sautoir when it is reduced to the dimensions of a scarf. When it is of a larger size the Ma lionevans wear it as a Whim and a sash. That handsome, soft, warm and delicate tissue is covered with a profusion of odd 4rawings ;sthe extravagance of the lines, the wild confusion of ' the pubjectss—florrers, fruits, vegetables, animals, articles of *misuse, edifices, and figures often heaped together promiscu eassly---Alisplay, nevertheless, a marvellous knowledge of colours stellerously combined, lively and excessively glaring were they not softened down by the artifice of a delicate lisere, which supplies the contours of each subject and forms imperceptible trausitions. The klindoo weavers work those subjects with the siftelle. At least, it is supposed so, f. r, It reality, the India sli*fl ie not a ti)ese such as we understid it, but a net-work (r.ta), 'solidly slopped ; a sor t o f net w i t h very t i g h t mes h es; arlltEl ernbtsidgey, made by detached po r ti ons , th en put to ga lee, end freqntly very unskilfully adopted to one ano th er . Thea..still prevails a well kept secret as to the economical wocesis of this Industry. ntry only document that can shed a herb!, light on it is a sort Of estimate, drawn up in the local Language, sent by Go: eral Allard to the French Government, Amity towel sted by M. Jouannin, and published by the jury Of last exlifbitien in its report. The clearest thing in that dpcustrsait is tuft in the country itself a long shawl requires eight coeuilis of labour, and costs the principal manufacturer between 9,400 and 4,000 francs. Now, the facts we are about to set forth - rove either that our disti ngu i s h e d countryman has been mystified, or that the India shawl manufacture has within a short period experienced a complete revolution. If front the vanes) , of Cachmere we come back to Europe, we fwd that the first India shawl made its appearance in France on the return of the expedition to Egypt. It produced a great sensation in the elegant world, and among the manufacturers of woollen shawls, which were then plain, very insignificant, with wretched little bowlers tacked to them. They began stitching very untimely woollen shawls in the India style, which then was as yet simple and endlarable, but has since been ex aggerated in the most outre fashion. Bellanger, Ternaux, and afterw•ards Lugaree, Pfineirouse Girard, Hebert, and some • • • r makers of th e Mt order, laboured night and day tis nu . .. , e the India shawl with the first raw materials come from Asia by :'Moscow, and they succeeded after overcoming incredible difficulties. Th marvellous machine of Jacquart 'tune to their assistance, and there was • o uch manufacturing ecienee-astowed upon that copying a.iii• velment, that it may hie considered a real creation in which neither Germany nor Engi,and has been able to follow us. Ali elegant Europe from ' that moment ordered of its Caehmere shawls as fine as those of India, bat of a lower price. We believe that, at present, our Paris matwafacturers, the only ones that make the shawl de fuze man suvply fat eoo francs articles of the most finished execu tion ; iltey eau produce also veryehandsinie ones at the price of . 400 feaNe ifie . lir i iary fell from the ftst i n t o an egreg i ous error-; tho dbl . to create its proces ses , it res i gne d i tse lf + eonstantly, r all e rest, to enacting the part of a servile teopier, for the Ines French shawl is, after all, but an imita tion of ift Indian fellow. No doubt this counterfeiting has nothing dishonest in it ; nevertheless, like all things of that ne vertheless, like all things of that nature, it was accompanied with continent dangers that could not fail to manifest them selves at a period more or less remote; there is no patent that does not expire soon or late. To encourage the French menu- ' %entre, the importation }of India shawls was completely pro hibited, a nrasure most tiietess and unreasonable, fo r our ma atufaetarer*in want of patterns, and not daring to depart from the Indian style, addresied themselves to smuggling, which they have now gold reason to condemn. A large seizure is en record, which took place at the Custom-house of Blanc Mis across, and which Wad a singular denoument. M. Decasealhen illiniater,_ permitted drawings of those beautiful shawls to be %ben a$ Be Misseroe, and they were re-exported immedi stitly after. But tba sketches did not suffice, and smuggling took enokthat the originals shoe& not be wanting. All the awls fokind their way back to France, and copies which bear the naafi of Ilium klisseren might still be found in the trade. We know but of eta original, or nearly original, French shawl; ills a file/ XCEUrre Or the pai n t er , M. C ou d ere , an d o f M . 'Gammen. the manufacturer, but that chef d'ceunre has not yen tueed tes depart from the ;Indian style ; it is always the same Oriental plants and Bowers, animals, edifices, soldiers, and sultana of India. Ternaux, that eminent manufacturer, had baskied well perceived the radical vice of that art. With the assistance of Isabey's graceful pllcil he attempted another style, but ?f he did not then succeed, that does not impair the norrecterees of his judgment. The manufacturing processes were 2,1 yet very imperfect, and did not second him, and this is VP true that the way of putting together the sillon du fond Wigs that of the brach was not yet known. And then the triental shawls were sold their weight in gold ; there was, allter•feee, in it a question of vanity, and at least an anxiety to Zook opulent. This prestige has long vanished, and it may a./W be said that there sis a satiety of the Indian style ; it is *Oen far wart of a better one, and if the real authentic Cachase is now preferred at sup equal price, it is because, Wither right or wr-ong, it is beli e v e d th e most durable as re aeards both (win arekvloues. The French shawl had been well received becatife it proved ht. - length a substitute for the add monessiet ; but the shawl rentainirtg_motienle'v, and, as is Itsre; Stepeektped; it coed not eternally pleasdihe most ca- of all goddesses; she summoned the mantle to her as , and the rennicitatod mantelet then came and con netted the struggle which the ugly burnous of the Kabyles vi gor maintains against the poor shawl. The misfortune of i -ih ilk fir' , tt , * i therefore, that it has not boldly entered the pads - ich Ternaux eitiened to it. The rather tyran n i ca l to of theeon-miller init,oses, no doubt, very hard laws upon lite manufacturer; bat it would be easy to prove, with the as • siatenee.af many a fact, that manufacturing genius acts upon atiegottblic w4th great power, and that the public, after all, 55111bary aeeeft, what is really fine when manufacturers know bow to tender it. And now, something mysterious is pulsing in the manufac baring world. We Fikenchmen formerly sent some of our Cashmeres b England: *hich sold for Indian shawls so long as the trick seas not detected; and at present the East India Company publicly sells in London genuine Indi a sh aw l s a t a fifth of their old value, and at a price which nearly tsuches that of our shawls ! 'The petition of the French manufac turers asserts it, the Customs' Committee avow it, and smug glers, reckless of the present duty of 80 francs apen square, and 150 transit on long shawls, import an enormous quantity sf those shards into France; 2,144 of these precious tissues *bids had left our entrepots for Bale, Geneva, and Chatnbery, eenewell in the year 19 the Blanc Misseron adventure, and se -entered France every one of them ! 730 remedy what they eansider a roost threatening state of things, the mannfac -Inrerq who consider themselves " lost" and " annihilated" enlewa the Government afford them efficient assistance, would hats a deity of 1,000 francs laid on every foreign shawl, which woeld be elnivalent to another prohibition. More over, they could have a stamp and number affixed to every asayin pthe duty, ano th er s t amp put to all those now _ k _,,:ll brie warehouses, and the seizure of a ll s h aw l s that ect %ay. boo?) stamped witlgin a certain period. - 'STATE OF TRADE. (Prom the Manchester Guardian.) MAIIOCIBETER.—Not the slightest improvement has iterutad itself in this market. On the contrary, the continued absence. of demand, and the consequent pres :Aire of stocks,. compel the holders to submit to lower and lower rates. Prices, both of goods and yarns, aria now, wo believe, decidedly lower on the aver - rge than at any former period, and there seems to be no . • prospect of amendment, except from a decided diminu tion of production. This week, we understantl, ten of Ahe_pfirscipal firms in the neighbourhood of M ottram an d ilollingwotk, whose collective produce is very con > sklera9le, Mbe agreed to work only four days p er wee k ; ism! similar tliTtto.riernents we making in various other c 424 ;± RocIMALI3 LANN'EL MARKET, MONDAY, MAy 10.— Thei.b . have been more .buyers in th e mar k et to-day, and other more pieces sold than last Monday ; but the fticw have been-oFinonsly low. There is a report in the in-arket of another small manufacturer having stopped payment. The , Wool4larket still continues in a very • • cittafessed state: j• - HUDDERSFIELD 3tiRKET, MAY 11. This was a very iiiitrkZt, in: nearly all descriptions of goods, there i l tiog a g enoral quite Unusual at this season, and - "Alr'prt,epect of *an i.n nrovernent. Prices are nominal. 'Trikresinen generally - look with *teat anxiety to the dis , situsionz in Panliament, and hope that the crisis will Desalt in some definite. measures to relieve, the pressure es} c rce. The cry for a rep ea l o f t h e Corn-laws, R ie odslaattion of the import Ditties, is all but uni- ,k XPOISBIDDINO THE BANs.—On the morning -OtiSnuday last considerable excitement was occasioned amongst the congregation aeteading Haty Trinity Church at 13romp (a tflori__et church ()Who parish of Kensington), by the ' 1 • ' - lent :—As she Rev. Mr. Clay was reeding the ~4 0 g an fo d r s th ia e r s y ec l o i n re d nin ti e m ke, ::,. -a t e . I L as* c a if al f ": t . l ai e a d . l ß °c a k rn i Haynes, P ba u c b h li el h o i r n , ..,, str i os i e fr," a r eSpeetsl . bly-dre f s . ld t n a lan, who was standing in the middle e itlo s • crew in the f r o n t t h e rea ding-desk, instantly tr , sseis,,alkis right /anti .., abuve his head and cried out 4 • I forbid ; • almost instantly rose en ma sse , a n d i e t s . tio " e eiTaillitt'te"nagehirpePsedfi'm before order was restored. The person els damsel to go into the restry, where he was attended by the Churchwardens, &c., when he pr " rite l l i tr, , , ...\ .. ' r. w i lesilli r gatn' wi s 'h for forbidding the bans hich being - P tillicniae th ' is reasons were erased from the boOk. .."tA , , eiwkileielt, the names In 0 travels of ;to 4',;t:tiAatt OF CHILDREN. — d',,,,1 70 10 , Uoorcroft and 'frebeck. in the H i ma l ayan provinces, '"'"' Lis sts!‘l, in reference to Tiri, that there is no doubt that ititi ir, ti.. t "roluson was always kept down by the p racti ce which . h 7 11142""rianY.prevailed in many of the m ountain distric ts , - "* l 'e the sole of children by thiir own parents , in times of "rseartityancl.d;stress: In corns p ees those travellers were in -11 ..fittnrest thatrperson s married more wives thin they had the Poneans of raaintaluing, for the purpose of raising money by the 7,' ; '„`" ll*(er , 6 " 1 , 1 ' offlpiTng ; an d a l t h oug h t hi s ma y not be strictly corwrue, yet tne story itself proves that the people of these cone- S, *ries sfw accustom e d to look to the dispossil of their children as 4e-sseans of sub,istanc e , ho' oAtortn, MAY 11.—At a meeting held this eveiiii in CtL.,, Town-hall for the purpose of promoting the iseligiour priseiples of the Reformation, *ie ties , . Mr. Hill, .., rise-Principil of St. Edmund Hp, Chairman, was the only Timber of toeis trniversitof ow the platform. The attendance of Under;radeetes at 8 o'clock was small. The Chairman ' 'at eloximecl t a the *teeing and loft. An old soldier, named Eltschinaer, died lately at Dirlaret. in the canton of Berne, ages' 101. He had been in tke AuStrkn sec Rise, and was the first man to mount the 'onsaeh al Ale haet siege of Belgrade. He had often s.en Fre /wink the Groot. After his return to Switzerland, he made itlarriileimagoe to Rome, and a fourth to St. James of Com ?" One of the Rfanv advantages derived from the firpetatvent of Liberal Lord Lieutenants for Counties "%say be seen in the recent nominations of Deputy Lieute- , twits tot Kent, where for a serios of years the matter 'rut tart ' 4 tloso" among the Tories. One of these ap trinMilknts, that of Mr. I)as - id Salomong., is highly cre-- eljtatio to the neiv Lieutenant of the County, the Earl of notn et.. A PRIZE BATTLE rag. 2001" AND THE CHAMPIONsniebE EITGLAND.—A suns andothe 4 eittPok fight rot the above place on Tuesday, at Stratford-on:, • A.‘ IniFeen Ben Caunt and Nick Ward ; and, after hTing Wrotuids hi 47 inmates, Caunt was declared the • victor. CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT. NEW COURT. (Before the COMMON SERGEANT.) John Shuker, aged 36, was indicted fur stealing with violence from the person of Martha Matilde Saul, a purse containing 18s. Mr. Phillips defended the prisoner. The prosecutrix stated, that on the evening of the rob bery she was in the Robin Hood and Little John public house, in KNsall New-town, and that she was drinking in company with her sister ; it was then between ten and eleven o'clock, and tho prisoner and several others were taking refreshment in the same room ; she was talking to her sister when the prisoner took an opportunity of putting his hand into h s z o socket, and committed the robbery for which he charged, at the same time con veying the purse into the hand of a man who was standing by at the time in question. Thero were lights in the room, but the witness could not say that her sister saw the transaction, although they were in conver sation. The witness was cross-examined at great length ; and, amongst other questions, Mr. Phillips put the fol lowing :—Are you not termed by your neighbours the Queen of Kensall New-town ? Witness—Yes. Mr. PauxiPs--Pray, what did your Majesty pay for your coronation ? Witness (laughing)—Six shillings. Mr. PHILLIPS—Oh, that is a shilling above the Crown. —(Laughter.) Where is your Majesty's palace? Wit ness—ln Kensall New Town. Mr. Piimars—What does it consist off ? Witness— Three bed-rooms and a kitchen.—(Much laughter.) Mr. PHILLIPS—Who are your subjects ? Witness— The cottagers ; 'tis but a small place, inhabited solely by cottagers. Mr. PHILLIPS—How many subjects have you ? Wit ness—Not many. _ Mr. Pummis--Is your Majesty in the habit of dancing with your subjects ? Witness—Sometimes. Mr. PlinxiPs—Does your Majesty often dance with your subjects on the green in the night-time ? Witness —Sometimes I do. Mr. Pnu.LlPs—Oh ! singing to the tune of " Meet me by moonlight alone," eh ? The answer to this question was rendered inaudible by the loud laughter which followed. Mr. Putuari—Pray what was your Majesty doing at the public-house between ten and eleven o'clock at night ? Were you dancing and singing ? Witness—No, I vas drinking ? Mr. i l irmups—What was your Majesty drinking ? Witness (simpering)—Ginger-beer and half-and-half. Mr. Piniiips 7 - - Ilow much did you drink ? Witness (contemptuously)—l did not measure it. Mr. PHILLIPS—Oh 1 you drank without measure.— (Laughter, in which the Court joined.) Mr. PHILLIPS—And your Majesty was engaged in conversation with your Royal sister ? Witness—(draw ing herself up)—l were. Mr. Pnnaaps—How camb you to accuse another man of stealing you property ? Witness—l never done so. Mr. PuuJars—What is the reason you did not bring your royal sister here to day. Witness—l did not think it necessary. Mr. PHILLIPS informed her Majesty that he would trouble her no further, and she left the box with a very dignified air. Another witness was called, but he only saw the pri soner run away, and a policeman after him ; they came up to the Canal and both fell in, and the witness went to rescue them, and all three got a good ducking. The policeman was called. He searched the prisoner, but only found three-half-pence upon him. Mr. PHILLIPS addressed the Jury for the defence, dwelling on the fact that the charge against the prisoner was only supported by the evidence of the prosecutrix, whose conduct, according to her own statement, to say the least of it, was very extraordinary. Witnesses were called, who proved that the prosecu trix had accused another man of robbing her of this purse, and afterwards charged the prisoner. Several witnesses gave the prisoner an excellent cha racter, and the Learned Judge having summed up, the Jury returned a verdict of Not Guilty. ANTI-CORN-LAW MEETINGS. EDINBURGH; On Monday a meeting of the Guildry of Edinburgh was held in the Merchants' all, called by requisition, for the pur pose of petitioning Par lament for a repeal of the Corn-laws, and for an adjustment of the Import Duties, the Lord Dean of Guild in the Chair. Resolutions wed passed, unanimously expressing satisfaction at the conduct of Ministers, and pray ing for their judicious alterations in the corn, sugar, and timber duties. (Abridged from the Edinburgh Observer.) A public meeting of the inhabitants, called by advertise ment, was held yesterday in the Assembly-rooms, George street, to express approval of the measures proposed by Go vernment for the reduction of the duties on sugar and timber, and for a modification of the Corn-laws Among others we observed there Sir James Gibson Craig, and Sir William Hamilton, Barts. ; General Maine, C. 8 .; Colonels Skene and Kinnaird, &c. Sir James Grasox-Caato moved that Mr. Black take the chair, when A working man rose on the platform, and insisted that a 1 working man should take the chair, and therefore proposed Mr. John Watson Here the noise and confusion tecloubled. Mr. Black at tempted once or twice to speak, but was unable to obtain a hearing. Mr. Aytoun also attempted to speak, but in vain. After some farther clamouring, Mr. Black, seeing that no further discussion could go on, adjourned the meeting to apother room. There about 300 persons, under his Presi dency, unanimously passed resolutions in favour of the abolitionof the Corn-laws and a revision of the import duties. The per sons who remained in the large room proceeded to pass resolu. tions condemning most severely the conduct of the Ministers. They declared themselves the enemies of the Corn-laws and the enemies of all monopolies, but the speakers expatiated with most , fervour on their hatred to the Whigs, and their total wept of confidence in them. Mr. Lowry, the Chartist orator from Newcastle, moved the resolutions, and had it all his own way, the people passing the resolutions by a considerable majority, giving at the end three cheers for Mr. Lowry. HOPS IN KENT AND SUSSEX. MAIDSTONE.—In the weak grounds, even the fine growing weather of the last week has brought little improvement, and in many instances the owners, despairing of getting aly hops, are planting potatoes. In the better grounds of the imme diate neighbourhood the bines are flourishing most vigorously, many are already tied, and most others in progress. One bine in the old College ground was ascertained to have grown, within twenty-four hours last week, no less than thirteen inches. FAALEIGH, BARMING TESTON, &c.—The bines have mu c h improved here during the ' list week, and appear.to be in a very thriving condition._ . _ B&INCHLEY.—Thera is certainly some improvement in our hop plantations. Still we have a great deal of weak bine, and and it is now evident that many of the hills are quite dead in the grounds that were blighted last year. CRANBROOK.—Hop-polling is nearly brought to a close, and the bines in 'time grounds are growing fast, having sustained scarcely any injury this spring from the flea. Showers have been frequent, and all vegetation is looking luxuriantly. Nowriiiam.—The late warm weather and showers have done much to improve the appearance of the country ; grass is now growing very fast, and everyaking looks prospering. The hop-poles are all up, and the bines are growing nicely. R OTHERFIET.O.—The warm weather we have had of late has been very congenial to the hops (as well as other agricul tural produce), and the bines snake rapid progress. Tieing was commenced on some plantations in this parish several days since; polling is nearly completed. COLLECTION OF HOP DUTY.-..Sandwich, Saturday, May 15; Tenterden, Monday, 17; Tuesday, 18; Goudhurst, Wed nesday, 19 ; Cranbrook, Thursday, 20 ; Ashford, Saturday, ; Wye, Monday, 24 ; Faversham, Tuesday, 25 ; Canter bury, Wednesday, 26.—Maidstone Gazette of yesterday. GRE VILI.E-STREET HOSPITAL. The Thirteenth Anniversary of this Institution, was cele brated yesterday, at the London Tavern, and w e have great pleasure in stating that the room was crowded to excess. On no previoas occasion have we semi such a number of ardent supporters of this ho'pital. Lord Robert Grosvenor was in the Chair, and was supported by many friends of the Charity. Among others Lord Bolton, Lord Crewe, Sir R. Glynn, Major York Scarlett, Alston, Esq., M.P., Wilbra ham, Esq., M.P., Captain De Saumanex, Rev. Dr. Rico, Dr. Graham. On the cloth being removed, the Noble CUAIAMAN gave " Her Majesty. the Queen, the patroness of the Hospital. "— (Loud cheers.) The neat toast was " Prince Albert and the Princess Royal ;" and in proposing the toast the Chairman said he felt bound to make some allusion to the reports which had appeared in the papers reseeding Prince Albert's health. As they all knew, he had the best information on that point, and he was happy to state that the reports were entirely without foundation, and that the Consort of the Queen never was in Letter health.—(Great cheering.) Ho then gave the first subject in the land, " Queen Adelaide," which was fol lowed by the " Duke of Sussex and the rest of the Royal Family"--( Loud cheers, mixed with cries of "theßoyal Family in. England") —which was put by the Toastmaster, amidst ge neral applau,e. Lord R. GROSVENOR said, in rising to propose success to ,the institution which. they had met that evening to support, he begged to apologise to them for the very ineffi cient manner in which he could perform his duty. He was labouring'under a severe cold, but that circumstance had not deterred him from coming forward to aid the work of charity, and lend his assistance to carry into effect one of the most useful institut i ons of the metropolis. The institution was established for the distressed and the diseased of all classes. Patients required no governors' order s no letters of introduction—all that was requisite was a ' fade case of destitution. He would not quarrel with other hospitals for the system they had adopted, but he was happy to say that since the establishm en t o f th e Greville-street Hos pital, the accession to other hospitals had become much morn easy.—(Loud cheers.) He was happy to say also that th e funds were improving, and that while very lately the receipts ' were only 995/., in 1841 they amounted to 4,7001. As a now building, however, was requisite more fu n d s were st ill wanted, and he had: no doubt, from the excellent principle on which the institution was founded, that these would not bo wanted long. The toast was received with loud cheers. The Szen ETA n v then read the Report, from which it ttp . peared that in the course of the last year 12,350 persons 'had received medical relief, and 1,300 extreme cans had, been promptly attended to by the medical gentlemen connected with' the institution. The subscriptions were liberal, among where the Earl of Eldon subscribed 1001., Lord Robert Grosvenor Lfourth dunatioti) '201., Hon. G. Wentworth Fitzwilli am , rd ., ord Arden, 501., Hon. Colonel Pierepoint, 261. 55., lion. Colonel Yorke Scarlett,-5/., T. P. Lewis, 201., Lane Fox, Esq., 51., and many other liberal donatiows, amounting altogether to about 8001: Dr. Marsden's health, the founder of the institution, was proposed, and responded to by the most enthusiastic. applause. He returned thanks for the honour conferred on him, and stated briefly the circumstances which turned his mind to the . relief of the afflicted and diseased poor that were met with in every street. He was happy tp,say that his efforts had sot been in vain, and he trusted that he should live to see them crowned with success. • More than 200 persons sat down to dinner, and it is but instiee to the proprietors of the London Tavern to state, that they made every exertion to accommodate the company. The dinner and wines were excellent, and the attendance good. reduced -a new b a ll a d , Mr. Hobb s sang some excellent songs, and Mr.. Fitzwilliam in War in China," with great effect. BRUSSELS, May -9.—Our Journals continue to give very afflicting details of the storm which ♦isited-a great part of the kingdom On Tuesday afternoon. THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDNY, MAY 13, 1841 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 12. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'Clock. Mr. LINDESAY took the oaths and his seat for Sandwich. The Hon. Member was introduced by Lord Granville Somerset and Captain Gorden. He was re ceived with loud cheers from the Conservative benches. The Report on the Southampton Trust (St. Pancras) Paving Bill was brought up. LEVRINGTON INCLOSURE BILL. ' On the motion that the Levrington Inclosure Bill be brought up, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from cer tain poor cottagers who had brought a portion of the common into cultivation, and who had held their pro perty for sixteen years. In the preamble to this Bill,, it was stated that these persons had no right to this pro perty. At the last Summer Asssizes the promoters of the Bill had tried to eject these poor persons, but had been foiled, and had had to pay the expences of both parties ; and now they tried to do that by this Act which they could- not do by law. He contended that if this Bill passed, these poor persons were entitled to compensation, and he should propose to introduce words for the purpose of exempting these holdings from the operation of the Bill. The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Member could not move the amendment without notice. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE would then move, that the third reading of the Bill be postponed till to-morrow, and he would give notice that on that occasion he should move the addition which he was now precluded from moving by the forms of the House. Mr. HOME DRUMMOND said that the usual course had been pursued with regard to this Bill, and he was satisfied that these parties had not the shadow of a claim, as n years pcesession was required to give a legal right, and these parties hail only had sixteen years pos session of these cottages. Mr. PRYME thought that as the owners of this com mon had rested, quietly for sixteen years, and as they had been unabl e t o p rove th e i r rights in a Court of Law, this case was one well worthy of the con sideration of the House. He should support the motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for Finsbury. It was ultimately arranged"(as we understood) that the amendment was withdrawn on the understanding that on Monday the Hon. Member should have an opportu nity of proposing the addition to the second clause. The Kidderminster Small Tenants Bill was read a third time and passed, after a clause had been added to it by way of rider. The Lords amendment to the Slough and Cohibrook road Bill were agreed to. Mr. T. PARKER presented a petition from Preston, signed by 4,000 persons, against any alteration of the import duties. Sir H. FLEETWOOD presented a petition from Preston in favour of a repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition from Worsley, in Lancashire, containing 2,436 signatures, praying that the Corn-laws may be entirely abolished ; also fourteen petitions from operatives of various trades in Lancashire to the same effect. Mr. LANGDALE presented a petition from Lancaster, in the county of York, to the same effect. Mr. W. EVANS presented petitions from Nottingham and Derbyshire, to the same effect. Mr. LISTER presented a petition from the labourers of Bradford to the same effect. Mr. JAMES presented fourteen petitions from various places in Cumberland in favour of a repeal of the Corn laws. Mr. BAINES presented five petitions from Leeds and other places, in favour of the measure announce d by h er Majesty's Ministers for altering the duty on timber and sugar, and for an alteration in the Corn-laws. The Hon. Member said he had also five petitions for the repeal of the Corn-laws, principally from working men ; and if the House would allow himhe would state shortly what it was the petitioners alleged. They said that they had nothing but their labour in the way of property ; that they had laboured under great distress for many years ; that they had made application to that House for the redress of their grievances, and that they had always been told, and properly told, that Parliament could not legislate for the purpose of increasing the rate of wages. They further stated, that they had found that Parliament could legis late for the purpose of increasing the rates upon land ; and finding that Parliament could legislate for the purpose of increasing the rates of landlords, they thought they aught either to legislate for the incroase of wages of labour, or to repeal the Corn-laws. And as they found it was impossible they could legis late for the increase of the rate of labour, they prayed that Parliament would forthwith make such alterations in the Corn-laws as would make them efficient for the purposes of raising the revenue, and not the necessary supply. Mr. CORRY presented a petition from Tyrone against patronage in the Church of Scotland. Sir C. STYLE presented a petition from Scarborough, signed by upwards of 1,700 of the working classes, in favour of the plan proposed by her Majesty's Govern ment, with reference to the duties on sugar and corn. Mr. BUSFIELD presented fourteen petitions from Bradford, and other places in the neighbourhood, to the same effect. Mr. B. SMITH presented a petition from Norwich, praying for an alteration of the duties on corn, sugar, and timber. Mr. BROCKELIIURST presented a petition against Church Extension. Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from Ebenezer Chapel, Birmingham, against Church-rates. Mr. CLAY presented a petition from the Tower Ham lets, praying for the abolition of Church-rates. .. _ .., CORN-LAWS. The HoN. MEMBER presented twelve petitions from various trades in Manchester, and several from London, praying for the repeal of the Corn-laws. Petitions to the same effect were presented by Mr. Turner, from Lancaster ; and by Mr. Hindley, from Warrington, Ashton, and other places ; against any alte ration in the Corn-laws by Mr. Waddington, from Suffolk ; and by Sir Charles Burrell, from Sussex. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from Leeds, praying for the release of all political prisoners ; and from Leicester, stating that Mr. Feargus O'Connor would be a proper person to represent that borough in Parliament—(Laughter)--and praying that the House would allow to him the liberty to address the electors through the public press. Mr. L. HODGES presented a petition against any grant for Church Extension. Col. CONOLLY:presented a petition from Armagh against the present system of Scotch patronage. Mr. BARNEBY presented a petition from Lincoln in favour of Church Extension. Mr. BROADLEY presented a petition from Beverley, to the same effect. Lord WORSLEY presented a petition from Lincoln against any alteration in the Corii-laws. Sir T. ACLAND presented a petition from Yeovin against the grant to the College of Maynooth. Mr. R. CLIVE presented a petition in favour of Church Extension. Colonel SALWEY presented a petition, praying for the extinction of Church-rates, and the abolition of the jurisdiction of Ecclesiastical Courts. Mr. MILES presented several petitions—one in favour of Church Extension ; another in favour of the exclu sion of Roman Catholics from Parliament, and against the grant to the College of Maynooth ; and another against some parts of the Corn-law Amendment Act. . Mr. ELLIS presented a petition in favour of the mea sure introduced by her Majesty's Government for the re duction of the duties on corn. Mr. ORMSBY GORE presented a petition in favour of Church Extension. Mr. P. HOWARD presented a petition from the Me thodist congregation of Carlisle in favour of free trade, and especially in favour of a revision of the Corn-laws. . Mr..OSWALD presented a petition signed by 15,200 persons, from Glasgow, in favour of the abolition of the : Corn-laws, and the revision of the Customs Duties. Mr. O'CONNELL presented several petitions from the soap-boilers and other trades in Dublin, which were very numerously signed, in favour of a repeal of the Legislative Union ; also three petitions against the Registration of Voters (Ireland) Bill, and tseveral petitions from Wigan and Bolton praying for a Repeal of the Corn-laws ; also a petition signed by a a very respectable constituent of his, Mr. James naugh ton, of Dublin, praying that the House would not permit any trading with Brazils and Cuba, as it would only tend to increase slavery in this country ; also a petition from Mr. Acland, the Anti-Corn-law lecturer. The petitioner stated that he had been inquiring, for the last ten weeks into the state of the labourers in the county of Buck ingham, and that he was able to prove that the labourers of that county do not receive above 2d. or 2d. a day as , wages, for their subsistence, .and that many of those poor men are actually turned out of employment unless they signed petitions against the repeal of the Corn-laws. The petition prayed the House to institute an inquiry into this state of things. The LORD ADVOC ATE presented a petition from Leith, praying for the abolition of the Corn-laws. Mr. LAIACUCHERE presented 19 petitions to the same effect from Manchester and its vicinity. Mr. HUME'presented several petitions from Castle 'town and other places, with a similar prayer. ' The. CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER pre sented a similar petition from Portsmouth. Sir G. STRICKLAND presented several petitions from places in Yorkshire, many of them numerously signed - , praying for the abolition of Church-rates, and a t elaxation of all the duties which fetter trade. Mr. WOOD presented a petition from Kendal, pray , ing fur a revision of our commercial code, and in favour :(it Ile measures of the Government; Mr, AINSWORTH presented a petition, with a simi ;,lar prayer, signed by-one thOusand inhabitants of the town of liolton ; and a similar petition from an indivi dual in the same town, praying the House to disregard the cry raised In favour of the negrocs. He was himself an advocate for the abolition of slavery, but he found . that the negroes had less to complain of than our own population. A number of emancipated slaves had, he . stated, lately . purchased 20,000/. worth of land in the West Indies, and that could not be done by any number of our labouring classes. Mr. CHARLES WOOD presented 39 petitions from k Halifax and other places in Yorkshire, in favour of the Government measures for an alteration of our Commer cial Code. 'Mr. MARK PHILIPS presented 35 petitions from Manchester, Rochdale, and several other places, praying ' for a total repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. E. BULLER presented a petition from the Pot teries praying for a total abolition of the Corn and Pro vision laws. ll aa rw m gi . e r . . !. .F eae . intu l sl l tg O th N a V et jRDip prese nted a petion frofromCamber ' • Mr. THORNELY presented a p e titi on agree d on at a , held on Monday last, pray- ing fora; total repeal o f the tax.npoti bread, .stating the great satisfaction which ' those. present ~fek.;at, the. step taken by Minister s f or that purpose.. and .aiso stating that the . declaration...ref. the Ministers in f avour of* th e A i C p vrvar_l s. doctrines of free trade entitled them to support, and pray ing the House to give effect to those declarations. The pe tition was signed by Sir J. Walmesby, the late Mayor of Liverpool, on behalf of the meeting ; also a petition from Gadley, near Manchester, praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. On the motion of Mr. HUTT, the Hull Flax and Cot ton Mill Company's Bill was read a third time and passed. THE EARL OF CARDIGAN. Mr. MUNTZ gave notice of an alteration he pur posed making in the motion of which he had given notice for to-morrow, relative to the Earl of Cardigan. The motion which he should bring forward would be, that an humble address be presented to her Majesty . beseeching her to cause an Inquiry to be instituted into the conduct of the Earl of Cardigan during the time he has been in command of the 11th Hussars, with a view of ascertain ing how far such conduct had rendered him unfit to be continued in her Majesty's service. speculation. However it might answer for. amusement, it certainly seldom answered in the way of profit. The same system was in operation in the West Indies, where gentlemen conducted the maria,ernent of their estates, and the entire process of the manufacture of sugar by agents and letters ; the process was one requiring great skill, energy, and experience, and he thought it could no more be conducted properly by persons residing at a distance, than the great manufacturers of Leeds or Manchester, could carry on their concerns at two thousand or three thousand miles distance. Under the new arrangements of his Noble Friend, he was satisfied that capital would accumulate in the colony, that proprietors would let their estates to re spectable tenants, and that in 'many instances the negro population would become themselves the tenants. They knew of some cases in which that had already taken place, and where the negroes had associated, and purchased estates to carry on the manufacture of sugar. The white inhabitants of the colonies, who were employed, as book keepers, agents, and attorneys, instead of managing the estates of others as deputies, would take estates on their own account. He (Lord Howick) believed that that process had begun to a considerable extent. The estates of such persons would be managed with an energy which belonged to men free from responsibility, and acting on' their own account. He had not the smallest doubt that when that system came into action, the cost of cultivating sugar in our West Indian colonies would he materially lessened. lie was persuaded that if the sugar cultivation were carried on with intelligence, enterprise, and activity, by free men acting for their own interest, the article would be produced much cheaper than it could be in Cuba and Brazil under a system of slavery. In the East Indies there was no deficiency of labour ; what was want ing was British capital and intelligence, which were ra pidly going there, and the removal of fiscal obstructions to enterprise and industry. One great advantage of this measure was, that it would lead the British Parliament, the merchants, and the capitalists to look into the state of India, to see what it was that impeded its prosperity. They ought also to promote the success of the competi tion of their own colonies with slave-grown sugar. His Hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade had brought forward a measure for removing the restrictions upon them. He was sure that the House would support him in that measure. Much might also be done by in creased efforts to suppress the slave trade.- Papers which had been laid on the table of the House had shown that an officer of the name of Denman had destroyed the slave depots ; that was a most effective blow to sla very. The Hon. Member for Nottingham told them the other night that they had expended a great deal of money in efforts to suppress the slave trade, and after all it was carried on to a great extent. What would be the iesult of the success of the measure of his Noble Friend. Why, if they suc ceeded in producing sugar cheaper than it was produced by free labour, the first pound of sugar produced by slave-labour which was sold at a profit, would seal the entire abolition of slavery. He thought the measures of the Government were well calculated to answer the purposes intended. Government had not attempted to alter the duties upon immediate abolition of slavery. It was now three years since that measure had been carried, and he (Lord Howick) thought, that now, if ever was the time to prevent another bad system from taking root. Now was the time to prevent vested interests in monopolies. Now was the time to excite competition. On the other side it was urged that his Noble Friend meant to leave the coldbies of this country without any protection, he had done no such thing, for he bad proposed a protecting duty of 50 per cent. The Hon. Member for Antrim would not admit competition ; in that he (Lord Howick) thought he was in error, for if a moderate competition was admitted, he thought it would tend to hasten the abolition of slavery in Cuba and the Brazils. But when a measure was proposed for the relief of our own population, it was far those who opposed it to prove that it would be forthe encouragement of slavery. They had not proved it. He was convinced they could not prove it, and unless they did so, it was the duty of the House to adopt a measure which was clearly forthe relief of our own population.—(Cheers.) Although attempts had been made to prove that this measure would not be for the relief of our own population, yet the argu ments advanced in support of the position were so palpably fallacious, that he could not believe they would at all influence the decision of the House. The ' Hon. Member for Newark had gone into an elaborate calcu lation, for the purpose of showing what might be the amount of sugar which we might expect from India and the West In dies during the present year.. He had tried to prove that the utmost that could be expected from the proposed reduction of duty would be a reduction in price of Is. 6d. per cwt.—a reduction which would not be at all felt by the consumer. He (Lord Howick) would admit to the Hon. Gentleman that he thought the Chancellor of the Exchequer might safely have carried his principle further.—(Cheers.) That it would have been more judicious to have made a reduction in the duty on colonial surer of 7a. or es., leaving the proportion of duty between foreign sugar and sugar the production of the British possessions the same as that now proposed by the Government. —(Loud cheers.) But, if the House thought proper, that al teration could be made in the Committee.—(Loud cheers. ) But taking the measure as recommended by the Government, still the amount of the relief which it would afford to the con sumer would be great indeed. He considered the calculations which had been made with regard to the sugar which might be expected from the colonies, was quite beside the purpose. The plain and simple case was this • foreign sugar was at present subject to a prohibitory rate Of duty ; the Government pro posed to admit at a rate of duty amounting to 150 per cent. on its valise in bond, and exceeding by 50 per cent. the duty le vied on the same production from our colonies. The result must be the extending the source of supply. 'lt was no answer to say that without this assistance 200,000 tons could be pro (Need in the present year, and that the annual consumption of the country had never exceeded that amount, and that there we-e no means of ascertaining to what the consumption might reach, if a cheap supply were placed within the reach of the community—(Cheers)—and the very determination with which this proposition had been resisted by the West Indian proprietors, the eagerness with which they had sought to main tain their present monopoly, convinced him that it was impos sible but what they must consider that some great advantage must accrue to the consumer, and some great fall in price must be the result. He would not now advert to the language of the Hon. Gentleman opposite, who spoke so slightingly of the advantage to be derived from the reduction of one penny a pound in sugar ; but when he recollected the sufferings of the untortunate population of Bolton, whose condition had been so feelingly and so eloquently described by his Noble Friend the other evening—when they read the authentic accounts of the low state to which our manufacturing population was everywhere reduced, he would say that even a reduction on sugar of 'one penny in in the pound was not to be lightly spoken of. It,was no such trifling boon. The Hon. Member for London had shown that it was equal to a reduction of taxation of 1,600,0001. But large as the amount was, that was not the source of relief to which he looked for the improvement of the condition of the people. He looked to the increased field which would be opened to their industry—(Loud cheers)—to the increased and advantageous employment both for capital and industry, which must result from a removal of those restrictions and monopolies which now fettered our commerce, and prevented it from expanding.—( Cheers.) And because he knew that an alteration of these duties must form a necessary and indis - pen/able part of any measure for a general revision of the Im port Duties, therefore it was that he considered that it would afford a great relief to our own population. Could any man deny that, who considered the great progress which public opinion had made, and the extended position which they then occupied of attacking . monopolies generally, instead ot being forced to confirm their efforts to branches only? Would any man deny that this must form an essential part of any measure for the improvement of our commercial system ? We were ourselves great importers of sugar. Brazil was one of our best customers, and it had been stated that our future trade with Brazil would, in a great degree, depend on the course we should take with regard to fureign sugars. This was part of a grand plan—of a gratuattack on all monopolies—and his Hon. Friend the Member of Lincolnshire had so treated it, when he stated the other evening that he should vote against any alteration in the sugar duties or the timber duties, because, if he did not do so, he could not call upon the House to main tain the Corn-laws.—(Cheers.) The House and the country perfectly understood that that was the real question at issue.— ( Cheers.) The House and the country perfectly understood that the plea of humanity which had been so freely made use of, was nothing more than a popular mode of disguising the ugly and repulsive features of monopoly.—(Loud cheers. ) Alany Gentlemen, no doubt, had been actuated by a profound and conscientious objection to the slave trade. Ne man could doubt but that such was the nature of the objec tions entertained by his Right Hon. and Learned Friend. the Member for the Tower Hamlets, who bad ever acted so distinguished and consistent a part on that gitestion.—( Hear, hear.) No man could doubt that such was the nature of the objections entertained by the Hun. Baronet the Member for Oxford, who had spoken last night but ho could look with nothing but disgust at those petitions on the table of that House, signedby all those names which he remembered to have seen attached to every remonstrance against every measure which had been adopted for the benefit of our negro popula tion.—( Cheers. ) When he knew what the past conduct of those gentlemen had been, this new cloak of philanthropy could not conceal the strong interest which they had in the ex isting monopoly—(Cheers)—and he couldnot regard their peti tions with the same respect which he paid to the conscientious ob jections of his Right Hon. Friend the Member for the Tower Hamlets.--( Cheers.) He would not follow the example set him by the Hon. Member for Newark, who had attributed the con duct of his Noble Friend and the Government to low and stir did;motives, but he must tell that Hon. Gentleman, that it was impossible for him (Lord Howick) to forget the part which he (Mr. Gladstone) had taken in the debates in 1833.—(Loud cheers.) It was impossible for him to forget who was the owner of the Branden-Hoop estate in Demerara—(Continued cheering)—it was impossible for him to forget that it had been clearly shown that the rates of production of sugar per head on that estate, with the corresponding mortality among the slaves, had been shown to be higher than had ever been knots n even in the colony, high as the general average there was.— ( Continued cheering.) That estate, for three or four years, had produced an enormous quantity of sugar, and during that time this had been attended by a diminution of the slaves, of eighty one being one-seventh of the whole number.—( Loud cheers. ) There was an old proverb which he would recommend to the attention ef the Hon. Gentleman, which was, that persons living in glass-houses should not throw stones —( Cheers, and laughter.) He had referred to these facts not because the Hon. Member for Newark had imputed low and degraded motives to the Goverment, but in order to show the conduct which ho had followed on this subject. He was persuaded the House ought not on such a plea of the encouragement of slavery, hastily to reject a measure for the improvement of our own populution. No one could deny that some such measure was necessary to be observed in the intence compe tition which existed in every branch of labour, and the diffi culty experienced by every one in finding means for profitably exercising this industry. To what could this be attri buted, but to the manner in which the field of employment was narrowed by our restrictive commercial policy.—Cheers.) The Brazils was willing to furni.h us with their sugars if we would consent to receive them ; and no man could doubt but that they must be paid for by the produce of our industry, thus affording a larger field for employment. If they refused to adopt this plain and simple means of relief, if they refused to improve their revenue by a revision ot the import duties, the only alteration would be the imposition of some heavy tax upon the already overburdened population. Any tax upon articles of consumption must fall more parti cularly upon the lower orders, but even if they resorted to a property tax, or the restoration of the house tax, it must increase the pressure upon the labouring population, by depriving the higher orders, to a certain extent, of the means of giving them employment. Therefore, he be lieved the present to be a politic measure, and one which would be advantageous to the monopolists themselves. He thought the landowner, the West Indian, and the. Canadian, would be respectively compensated by getting rid of the tax which they paid to the other monopolists, while it was im possible to disguise the great advantage which must accrue to the great body of the nation. What the result might be he knew not ; but the man who watched the signs of the times with attention, could entertain a moment's doubt as to the re sult.—(Loud cheers.) The Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Tarnworth, might pursue die same fatal course which he had done with regard to Catholic _Emancipation ; he might, at the price of great suffering, and by great effort, stave off for a time commercial reform, but that he would ulti mately be compelled to yield to the force of necessity must be clear to all who had watched what was going on in the coun try. If he wanted a proof that such must be the case, he would only ask them to look to the debate. He well remembered the time when no man in the House dared to come forward boldly as the advocate of commercial freedom. Even Mr. Huskisson had, to a certaindegree, to adopt disguise, andtalatter the preju dices,-and nominally to acquiesce in the doctrines of those of whose ignorance a was well aware—(Loud cheers)—a , .d while the tendency of all his measures was to freedom trade, his language was often of a different nature.—( Cheers. ) In those days the advocates of monopoly had the field to them selves. How different was the case now ? Even the defenders of monopoly were ashamed of the cause they had undertaken —(Loud cheers)—and to judge of them by their langeage they were a House of free traders. The principle had been conceded on all sides, and no one now attempted to uphold the old doctrine, that an array of Custom-house officers were ne eepary to uphold British industry. If the doctrines of free trade had made such advances in such a short time, although some persons might be of opinion that the system of monopoly was destined to endure for many years, he was persuaded that it was not. (Cheers. ) He was persuaded it would not. Even though this measure were rejected, the ultimate result was certain, and for this reason he should vote in favour of the measure proposed by her Majesty's Government.—( Cheers. ) Mr. C. WYNN said he could not agree to the measures of her Majesty's Government, in the altered state of society in the West Indies. 'I hose measures themselves were of the most indefinite character, and they were adopted, like the reduction in the postage, as an experiment, without the least possibility of success. The First Lord of the Treasury had last year stated that he felt the greatest objection to any al teration in the Corn-laws—that if any benefit could be de rived from it it would be ill purchased by .the agitation. That reason was equally weighty at present; and it was evi. d..nt, therefore, that it was brought forward for the purpose of getting up a cry out of doors—an attempt which had entirely failed. The Noble Lord opposite in arguing this question with respect to slavery, had asked if they would admit no other article the produce of slave labour. There was a great difference between the not rejecting an article already admitted, and proposing a measure forthe admission of a new one. He thought the present time was not at all opportune to admit competition with foreign countries, and that observation ap plied in a tenfold degree to the admission of the product of slave labour. In conclusion, the Right Hon. Gentleman stated that lie felt bound to oppose the proposition of her Majesty's Government, and give his support to the amendment of the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool, feeling convinced that the proposition of the Government, whore it would not benefit the people of this country would greatly aggravate the evils of slavery. Mr. W. EVANS supported the measure proposed by her Majesty's Ministers relative to the duties on sugar. He did so on the ground that the Hosse was not warranted in impos ing enormous taxes on the people of this country on the article of sugar, when by the admission of a small quantity of foreign sugar it might be prevented. With respect to the other parts of the proposition of her Majesty's Government he need hardly say that they had his hearty concurrence, and for his own part he believed that for years no Ministers of the Crown had proposed measures so calculated for the benefit of the country as those that had been proposed by the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies. In conclusion, he would only express a hope that, whether under the present Go vernment, or any other, no means would be lost to carry them into effect. Lord WORSLEY objected to the proposition of her Ma jesty's Government, believing that if the Corn-laws were altered as proposed, there would not be that relief given to the manufacturers which was generally supposed. He, to gether with two other Members for Lincoln, had some years since joined in a vote of eonfideuee in the present Ministers ; but believing that the farmers, both rich and poor, in Lincoln shire would be ruined unless iey had protection by the Corn laws, they had resolved to give the proposed measure their determined opposition, and for his own part he believed that her Majesty's Government had been misinformed as to the expenses of bringing corn into this country. The Noble Lord read the evidence of Mr. Saunders, a corn merchant, of thirty years' standing, who said that a fixed duty would never answer. When corn would be brought to this country at 3s. tid. a quarter, a duty of Bs. would be no protection to the farmer whatever. Had the low prices of 1833 continued for two or three years longer, many of the small farmers must have been ruined. They went on cultivating the land at a loss on the faith of the present Corn-laws. He denied that the agricul tural interest had had any notice of the measures of the Go vernment respecting corn, and as the Government could not have the remotest chance of passing such a measure, they ought never to have brought it forward.—(Cheers.) Those who had been agitating for a repeal of the Corn-laws would accept the present measure only as an instalment, and when ever the price rose to 605., tbey would say they could no longer pay the Bs. duty. Entertaining these opinions, how ever sorry he was to oppose the Government, although his vote might transfer the powers of Government from those hands in which he wished to see them; still, in common honesty, he felt bound to vote against the proposition of the Government.—( Cheers. ) Sir A. GRANT had heard the speech of the Noble Lord with much pleasure—(Cheers)—and thought he had come to a very sound decision, and hoped his vote would help to save those interests, whose existence were now at stake. He had heard, also, with much pleasure, the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for the Tower Hamlets, and he agreed in all the objections he took to the measure, but more especially in the first he took, which was the gross injus tice intended by the Government to the - West Indians. The Right Hon. Baronel g the Member for Devonport, had de signated the petition preanted by his Right Hon. Friend from the West India merchants, as gross hypocrisy. He denied that the petition warranted the application of such terms, or that it contained anything to call down the stigmatising censure of the Right Hon. Gentleman. The petitioners had designated the slave trade as " atrocious," and he did not think it merited any other term. It was a strong proof of the badness of a cause, when parties were compelled to have recourse to such language, and when they were driven to misrepresent the lan guage and sentiments of their opponents. The Right Hon. Gen tleman had been Secretary for the Colonies from 1832 to 1839, and must have known intimately, from his communications with the Governors of the West India colonies, the state of the cultivation of sugar in these islands. He must have known that in 1838 the planting of the sugar cane almost entirely ceased throughout the West Indies, the negroes having been that year entirely emancipated. It was clear, then, that it was owing to the measures of the Government itself that the supply of sugar from the West Indies had been so much diminished. It was almost unnecessary to comment upon the futile argu ments that had been urged by the Noble Lord (Howick), who had addressed the House that evening.—(lronical cheering.) He should not be put down by the taunts and sneers of any Hon. Members, and he trusted the House would Make some allowance for any inadvertent intemperance in the remarks of one whose very existence, he might say, depended upon the issue of the present proposition.—(Hear.) It appeared to him that if the proposition of the Chancellor of the Exchequer were carried, and he thanked God it would be indignantly scouted by the House and by the country—but if it were carried, it would terminate, not in competition, as was argued by the Right Hon. Gentleman, but in the substitution of slave grown sugar for that of their own colonies. He trusted the House would not take a step the object of which was to en courage slavery and the slave-trade. Where, he asked, was the consistency of the present Government, when, after ex pending so many millions in putting an end to slavery, they now come forward with a measure which would go directly to its promotion and encouragement? He thanked the House for the patience with which it had had heard him ; for his part he was perfectly satisfied with the argument as it stood, and how ever the debate might be prolonged (it might be protracted another week for all he cared), he should seek no arguments beyond those he had already heard, to induce him to give his strenuous and determined opposition to the proposition of her Majesty's Government.—(Loudcheers.) Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL said that it had been stated on the other side, that the West Indian Proprietors had a right in the slaves they possessed. They had, indeed, a right which was recognised by the custom of the land, but not by the law of the land. As he had taken a part in the Anti-Slavery agita tion in Ireland, he felt that he owed it to some of his consti tuents to state the grounds on which he gave his vote on the present question, which seemed to have connection with that of slavery. He could not place implicit confidence in the statement that the convictions of Hon. Gentlemen opposite, which led them so constantly to oppose everything intended to benefit the enslaved African, were suddenly changed with out some motive. Why had the Noble Lord (Sandon) so framed his resolution, that it could bear a meaning which would not, under , other circumstances, prevent Hon. Gentle men opposite coming forward with a measure precisely similar, as far as the introduction into this country of slave-grown commodities were concerned, to that which they now so violently opposed. It was the doubts of the sincerity of the Noble Lord, which his resolution so framed gave rise to, that would induce him (Mr. J. O'Connell) to vote against him. Great quantities of sugar were produced in Java, China, and other eastern countries, and this year there were imported into this country 6,000 tons of that article from the latter country. Could not arrangements be made for the introduction of free labour sugar from those countries, without any encourage ment being given to sugar the growth of slave labour. the lion. Member for Newark (Mr. W. E. Gladstone) said that treaties stood in the way of that. The Hon. Member ought to have informed the House what those treaties were, and whatever they were, they ought to be modified, when there were such strong inducements for so doing, as the desire to give the people of this country cheap sugar, and to avoid at the same time all encouragement t' slavery. The Hon. Member for Wigan (Mr. Ewart) said it was impossible to draw a distinction between sugar the pro duce of free labour, and that which was the produce of slave labour. When he (Mr. J. O'Connell) heard that statement he said he should be obliged to vote with the Hon. Gentlemen opposite. However, he listened to the entire of that Hon. Member's speech, and he read the reports in the papers, and yet he neither heard nor read the reason given by the Hon. Gentleman to support his statement. The Hon. Gentleman also said that the only effectual way of putting down slavery was by commerce. Now he (Mr. J. O'Connell) could not con ceive how that was the case, and he thought the Hon. Gen tleman was bound 'to show how commerce could have that effect. With regard to the general question before the House, ' he would not enter at any length into it. lie would only say that as an Irish Member he might be supposed to be adverse to the proposition for mitigating the Corn-laws.—( Hear, hear, hear.) Now he must say that he never knew of any good being derived f:om those laws. He was delighted with the proposition of the Government, both with respect to the Corn-laws and the reduction of the duties on timber. If the question were allowed to go into Committee, he would give his vote for the introduction into this country of foreign tree-grown sugar. Sir J. REID said that he was one of those who signed the petition which was particularly alluded to by the Hon. Mem ber for Cambridge (Sir Alexander Grant), and whether he was a greater hypocrite or not—( Great laughter)—it was for the House to decide. On the subject which was at present. under discussion, be would read a note, with the permission of the House, from a gentleman whose opinion ought to be va lued. The Hon. Gentleman read a note to himself from Mr. Horsley Palmer, disapproving of the reduction of the duties on timber and corn, particularly in the present state of the Bank of England. From the members of the present Go vernment individually, he (Sir J. Reid) received every kindness and attention ; but that should not prevent hi's speaking of them as a body as he thought; and 'he did not hesitate to say that a more reckless, inconsiderate Govern ment he never saw or heard.—( Laughter.) He merely wished to impress that on their minds on the last opportunity which ho would have of addressing them (Ministers) to their respec tive situations. —(Much laughter.) lie did not that their sun was setting, and setting to rise no more. -(Continued laughter.) Ile wished, for the sake of the commercial inter ests of the country, that the House would decide the present important question as soon as possible, because, pending the. debate, trade was at a complete stand. He said that as an old merchant—and it was impossible for one not situated as he was to conceive the mischief caused by protracted delay. Trade, however, was not in such a state of despondency as was represented by the Ilrin. Member for Halifax (Mr. C. Wood). Mr. GIS BORNE said thathe did not think he should have troubled the House at that protracted period of the debate, if he were not unwilling that it should close without his returning thanks to the Hon. Member for Newark. He (Mr. Gisborne) had often heard it said that those were the best friends who told people of their faults. The Hon. Member for'Nee ark per formed that service for the gentlemen of that (the Ministerial) PARISH CONSTABLES. Sir E. KNATCHBULL moved the second reading of the Parish Constables' Bill. Mr. F. MAULE said that the Right Hon. Baronet was aware that he objected entirely to the principle of the Bill, and could not allow it to be read a second time. He was placed in this difficulty, that an Hon. Member, sitting on the same side of the House with himself, had introduced a similar Bill, and he had induced the House to throw it out. After a few words from Sir E. KNATCHBULL, the Bill was withdrawn. The intervening Order of the Day was then disposed of, and the House resumed the ADJOURNED DEBATE. Mr. CHOLMONDELY said he shoald not go into the great commercial dettils connected with the measure that were under the consideration of the House. It was admitted by the Hon. Gentleman on the other side of the House that those measures would have a ten dency to encourage the slave trade, and would injure our West Indian interests. But they said, "Do not waste your sympathympon the West Indians. We have already done a great deal for them ; leave them for the present, and turn your sympaties to the suffering artisans of your own country ; above all, support this measure, which, besides increasing the reve nue of the country, will confer the benefit of cheap sugar upon the labouring classes."—(Hear, hear, from th e Liberal benches.) The Noble . Lord the Secretary for the Colonies, in his speech on Friday night, had drawn an affecting picture of the poor man being obliged to turn away from a shop because his scanty means were not sufficient to purchase one of the necessary articles of life. God forbid that he (Mr. Chohnondely) should view with any degree of levity any statement of the sufferings of the lower classes, or any measure brought forward to relieve those sufferings.—(Hear, hear, hear.) But in this case what was the amount of relief which would be adminis tered ? Why he believed that according to the Noble Lord's own calculation the reduction in th price of sugar would not exceed ls. 6d. per cwt. Could the consumer be benefited by such a reduction ?—(Hear.) The only class that would benefit by it was the intermediate link between the great merchant and the great importer— the retail dealer. As in the case of the reduc tion of the duty on leather, the poor man com plained that the retail dealer gained, and that he did not get his shoes cheaper. Let the House ' strike a balance between the good and the evil which would be derived from these measures. Even the increase in the revenue was a mere matter of asser tion. It was simply stated that in some way or other, there would be an increase of 700,0001, a-year from that. Even assuming that to be true, they were called upon to render almost nugatory the enormous payment of nearly fifty millions of money expended in putting down the slave trade ; and after all the exertions which they had made, they now called upon them to hold them selves up to the mingled astonishment and derision of the world by retracing their own steps, and passing a measure which even its promoters confessed would have a tendency to re-establish that accursed traffic. There was one more point to which he wished to allude. The Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) had characterised the amendment introduced by his Noble Friend (Lord Sandon) as the most factious step that could be resorted to, and as a merely party movement brought forward to serve a party purpose.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. (Cholmoudely) thought a more unfounded accusation was never made, nor one more easy to be retorted upon those who made it. When the heat and animosity of these debates had passed away, and these event ful days had become matter of history with what feelings would an unprejudiced observer review these transactions—te what party would he be most likely to apply the term " faction ?" On whom would he cast the accusation of having acted from party pur poses ? On the one side he would see a Go vernment involved in difficulties, with a deficient revenue with adverse majorities in both Houses of Par liament, and with the feelings of the country, if he might judge of the result of recent elections—(Cheers) —but little in their favour, come down to the House and bring forward hastily and without notice three great measures striking at and involving three of the largest interests of the empire, while on the other side he would see a body of men condemning such sweeping measures as productive, not of good, but of evil to the country, and standing up to prevent the State being, shaken to its centre by the rash hand of innovation. He thought under such cir cumstances there could be little doubt as to his decision. Upon these grounds, and objecting as he did to the mea sure brought forward by the Noble Lord opposite, first, its provisions would damage the West Indian proprietors ; secondly, because it would be an additional stimulus to the slave trade ; lastly, because it would damage the national prosperity—he should give his strenuous oppo sition to the Noble Lord, and support the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool. Lord HOWICK hoped he should be pardoned, considering the interest that he had always taken upon the question involved in the dis cussion now before the House, if he was un willing to give a silent vote. It h a d been as serted that this measure would have a di rect tendency to injure the national prosperity, but upon this subject he must first observe that he was not aware that any Gentleman had ventured to as sert that the introduction of the produce of slave labour was to be objected to. That argument had not been put forth. Those Gentlemen who had argued it had not taken the high ground that if a great fundamental principle was involved in the ques tion, they should be bound to admit slave labour. They had not pushed their argument further than this that the abolition of slavery and the slave trade was the object of the policy of this country, and that it ought not to be interfered with by a measure like that proposed by the Noble Lord. But it was said that the consequence of the course to be adopted would be encouragement to the slave trade. Now, on that point he was entirely at var i ance w ith hi s Right Honourable and Learned Friend, who said that if sugar produced by slave labour were allowed to be consumed in this the richest country in the world, the necessary effect of that would be to raise the price of such sugar, and therefore to offer an encouragement to slavery and the slave trade.—(Hear.) That assertion appeared to him (Lord Ilowick) to rest on a most unsound foundation, and the policy which his Right Hop. and Learned Friend recommended seemed to him erroneous, because that policy, and the arguments which had been addressed to the House in support of it, went entirely on the supposition that it would be vain to hope that free-labour sugar could successfully compete with that produced in Cuba and the Brazils ; and that they ought consequently to give up the market of Europe, and of the world, to slave sugar, and remain passively content with excluding such produce from their own markets. That was the assumption on which the argument of his Right Hon. and Learned Friend rested. But if that assumption were correct—and . if it were really hopeless to think that free labour could compete with slave lab Our sugar, lie should say that that was a most mortifying conclusion, and one which he should only admit upon the clearest evidence, and with the greatest reluctance. But he to tally denied that that assumption was supported either by reason or experience. lie remembered well the debates on the measure for the abolition of sla very, and he had often listened with approbation to his Right Honourable and Learned Friend, and another Hon. Friend a now no longer. a Member of that. House, who took so distinguished a part in the agitation of the question ; he meant, of course, Sir T. F. Buxton. He had frequently listened with approbation to those gentle men, while, by the most elaborate reasoning'and enume rations of facts, they had endeavoured to trove that slavery was not only a crime, but an error and a nitstalce ;'arid that slavery was not only iniquitous, but that in the end it was the dearest and the , most expen sive labour that could be employed. For his part he still believed that if free labour was duly encou raged it could carry on a successful competition with the labour of slaves ; and however other Hon. Gen tlemen might be disposed to think that they were formerly in error, and that they had now reason to change their views upon this subject, ho not only believed that such compe tition could be waged, but that if duo means were taken to encourage the production of sugar in our own pos sessions in the East and the West Indies, the free labourer would be found more ,than a ineteli for the others. Ile did -11(4' on the contrary, think that they could hope for any success while they leant upon the. broken reed . of protection and mon o p o l v .—(Cries of " Hear , heal.") He believed with his .Noble Friend (Lord John Rus sell)llat rvandoe had vspokneunrsesCi eloquently eti°onn Friday idayrenstirlici-t t restric tions reasonsnevercou l lt y l e a re thttainerae forhe d alt e h s y pa a ir n ing and vigorous othr(enissugrcettohf. What our own possessions in the race of competition ? , Hon. Gentleman opposite talked of the climate of Brazil and Cuba, but he would ask where better soil was to be found, than in Demerara and in Trinidad ? fi C ev h e e d ers great want but that it was worn out by the lle l o l f .o a ul p d ro a p sk er m si e s t t h em er more even intelli ttatnaytie isnvasounrotoldexhcaoulsotielides, naturally, but i t t h nd er er e among the planters of Brazil or genCe, or mare energy said that the great cause of under the ,omldorsye•setnepmitaolf, slavery._ col onies.—(Cheers..) , It ,was f -om the deficiency the shortcomings of our colonies arose but labour was Cuba, than there was . aMong „the planters of our own of labour. There was no doubt far from plenty, but that he thought had been caused by the Mistaken measures taken, pin fact it had been ar-. 'n that House, but greatly' by the local authorities ;the cattfed by, a reluctance to conform to much as pos sible new system, rev riled before . 1 8 33 . a strong desire to retain of the system which p . proprietors residing' b • by mean:, of their usiness mean., in, that country, and wouldcarrying on be able to do se. It, He believed it.wa.s impossible paid agents in Jamaica, ild be con'siderably reduced. was elear that the profit would wild Ir. the effect of at -1.4.4 the House consider what that cduntry.- The ma tciiiptixig -a sun • ilat system in n was not often a profitable nagement of farms bygentieme that EVENING EDITION. side of the ,v - louse. That Hon. Member said that they were an infatuated set, and that their infatuation arose front laxity of principle. In that there was no appearance of the bigoted religionist pealing the anathemas of the Church ag ainst those who differed fr urn it.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Gisborne) had given way, on the preceding evening, to the Right Hon. gen tleman the Secretary at War, to reply to some of the observa tions of the Hon. Member for Newark. There was one thing which he (Mr. i'3iaborne) was not a little surprised at, , The late Mr. Macaulay had bees for many yea's the object of •the foulest calumnies and the vilest slanders, which were 'awed upon him by the West India body and its supporters. And it was strange to hear the son of a member of that body pass a splendid euloginu.% upon that man (the late Mr. Macau lay), who, because he:opposed slavery, had been so persecuted. The Chancellor of tile Exchequer had stated to the House that there was a great de fi . eiency in the revenue, whi c h m ust bo supplied, to both of wi.iich prepositions the house assented. He also stated that it would be discreditable not to raise a revenue equal to the expensessof the year ; and for this ,pur pose the proposition of the Government was brought forward ; but to this the Noble Lord had brought forward what via , called in legal proceedings' a demurrer, and which-meant that the . person making it would not meet his opponent upon the merits of the case, but upon some technical points relating to it. The Noble Lord (Lord Sandon) said that an equalisa tion of the duty on sugar would give encouragement to slavery, and that, morever, there was no necessity for it, since there would be an abundant supply. He said we should have M 40,000 tons from the 'Mauritius, but the fact was that we never had 30,000 tons in any two years.—( Hear, bear.) On this point, also, the Noble Lord was at isrue with the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel), who had stat«d that we must not expect an abundant supply of sugar from the West Indies, until there had been a considerable increase in . the negro population. With respect to the East Indier, he was aware that a considerable quantity had been imported,. but this had been solely occasioned by dearness of West India s ugar. He concurred so much with what had been said on the con nexion of slavery with the sugar duties, thnt he should say very little on that subject. From the change ec feelite , which was springing up on this subject in America, and other countries , he certainly anticipated the period when slavery would be abolished. He thought such a change would be more effectual for this purpose than any measure could adopt. He had never been able to observe that any efforts of this country had had any effect worth mentioning in diminishing the horrors of the slave trade, and such being the case he did not feel justified in postponing, for the prospect of su uncertain an event, the relaxation ,of the sugar duties to the relief of the labouring classes. The Von. Member for Newark said the Noble Lord was giving up ,a diplomatic advantage which the sugar duties afforded him to obtain a treaty respecting , the slave trade, but lie (Mr. Gisbe rne) thought such an arguMent savoured somewhat of " laxity of principle.-"—( Hear, hear.) He would only further detain the House by reading an opinion delivered in the House of Commons on the •31st July, 1833 , and which was to the following effect There are many questions on which the declaration of the King's Government in their favour is decisive of their fate- 1 find this is so on' the question of the Corn-laws. When the. King and the-Govern ment range themselves age inst any restriction, its fate is se aled, for it is impossible to restore respect to. an authority so weak ened." These were the words of Sir R. Peel.—(Chee.rs• ) He (Mr. Gisborrie) therefore took the liberty of informing the House, on the authority of Sir R. Peel, that the fate of ,the Corn-laws andthe present duty on sugar was sealed.—( Cheers. ) Mr. SYDNEY HERBERT said that a considerable re' tion of that evening had been devoted by Hon. Gentlemen on the Ministerial side of the House to pouring out the phials of their indignation against his Hon. Friend the Members for Newark, bearing thereby , a reluctant tribute• to the pungenel of the remarks of his Hon. Friend. He neod say nothing ra defence of that Hon. Member, and his character was too-vireo known on both sides of the douse to render it possible that he should be injured by such attacks.—(Hear, hear.) With regard to the general question, be would not : discuss the principle of free trade, which had been already adverted to in speeches which would convince him, if he had not- been already an advocate for that doctrine,—( Cheers from the Ni" nisterial benches.) That principle had been defended with an unnecessary ostentation by Hon. Gentlemen opposite' They were not the originators of it, it had already been developed by a Cabinet of which Mr. Huskisson was a Member. The principle of free trade was one which nobody could deny.—( Hear, hear.) The only question was as to the, mode of its application—(Hear, hear)—and as to the time of its application. Any child could understand so simple a, prirr, ciple it it were to be taken as a uniform arithmetical rule, and If it were not to be considered in its relation to the situatiewan ° the immediate interest of a.- great commercial country' like this. If that were not the case sagacity and statcsmenehi o P f would be unnecessary in those who directed- the 'destinies Great Britain, and any accountant in the City would make a* good a Chancellor of the Exchequer .as the Right Hon .Gen tleman opposite. • The main Argument used on the other eide of the House on the question then under discussion,.,wanthe; which had been so ably stated that evening by the Noble tor° the Member for Northumberland, namely, that we had, not & sufficient supply of sugar from our own colonies, and that We should consequently endeavour to obtain it from, other. quar ters. It appeayed, however, to him (Mr. Sydney. Herbert) that there was now a prospect of an usually large supply free the West Indies; and he also believed with the Noble• Lords the Member for Northumberland, that the resources of those colonies were capable of a still further development. The truth was, that the Government seemed to have mistalten•the", own interests for those Alf the country, and to:h ave ove rlooked the people of England fot • the attainment of party ; ends. . ,Theta was a school of economists, of which. the H ou eursiblo Member for Kilkenny win. , the chief, who appeared; to ' think that patriotism consiste.d in an unwillingness to Or port the burdens of the States or to make any sacrifice for the public good; but there were others who felt that national honour should not be sacrificed to expediency, an d that Great Britain should not- now abandon the great exp ert " ment she had engaged in for the suppression of slavery and • the slave-trade. He believed that tbat. was the feeling of the Peo ple ple of England, and he had no apprehension but it would he t d the adopted by their representatives by the decisic'n to.whi deci. flouso would come on the, question then before then , L f th i s aim which must for ages affect the name and reputation o country.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. VERNON SMITH said that it appeared to him tha t Honourable Gentlemen opposite had not con fi ne d them selves to the resolution then before the House; and though they were prepared to back it w ith their„,h votes, they did not back it with th e i r speeches. -the House Gentleman who - had l as t a ddr a ddressed ." House had declared hi ms elf an a d voca t e f or free trade, thei though with some qualification as to the applicatio n °I principle ; and the Hon. Member had gone so far as to stem that any child should assent to that doctrine, forgetting.. however, that two full-grown gentlemen, the Hon.i Member for Antrim and the Hon. Baronet the Member for the filir versity of Oxford, had last night professed their inab ilit y to t understand the principle.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. 11 .1003 : t i the Member for the University of Oxford had also-expreo_ his anxiety for the discouragement of the slave trade ; but, 0: he (Mr. Vernon Smith) recollected, the Honourable Bareo .s . had not advocated the same doctrines during dr' agitation which led to the measure of Emancipation,, although he should be loth to impute anything-like hypoer l * tical pretext to the Hon. Member for Oxford, yet holunst' e l a i r that the straightf orwa rd n e ss o f his speech was not to be Oh' lowed out by the straightforwardness of his.vote, • for onejili!," ciple he ought not to vote for the resolution of the Noble kArw which admitted that the necessity might arise for centintr the evil which h e was d es i rous o f ex t erm i n ating. - V. Smith's) objection to the resolution of the Noble Lordeal that the position it assume d did n ot contain a true stattnne n f of the facts. The Noble Lord asserted that the people,' England had m a d e a grea t sacrifice, not for the purpose ° t effecting a great p r acti ca l g ood, which had b een effected, - bu t for some other purpose, of which they now heard for the itr s „ time. He d en ied that they had m a d e th a t sacr ifi ce me relPt the sake of example to other countries. He denied that the/ had made the sacrifice merely for the sake of sticking a feat he r in the cap of the mother co un t r y. Th ey ma d e th e sacr ifice a valuable purpose, and, in the spirit of that stet h il l sense which distingui s h e d every thi ng th ey did e .for"'— purpose of extinguishing- slavery in our own dominions.i (Cheers.) That p ur p ose h a d b een e ff ec t e d, th a t barman ) been completed.—(lronical cheers from the Opposition . Could any on e d ou bt it w h o l oo k e d a t th e presen t state of thef West Indies, an d w h o compare d th e s t ate of prosperitythose wh o h a d been formerly slaves in the country with . t!h is condition of the working classes in this ?-(Cheers.) I 14 , the view of showing the actual condition of the labollel c tr, classes in Ja ma i ca h e wou ld quo t e f rom a d es p a t c h of -Sir Charles Metcalfe, who said that the real difficulty which th e holders of property in that island felt was " the not :pose's ing sufficient inducements to get the working classes to he" bour. The mass of the population Pone means of comfortable subsistence without tabour: ih t 7 l may, to obtain articles of lu x u r y, be ind uc ed to la bour, but they never can be reduced to it by absolute necessity. It is considered no favour to give emP l°).- ment, but on the other hand it is considered a great favour to give labour." Such was the statement of Sir C. Metcalf: 1 4° would ask any Hon. Gentleman to contrast that with the con dition of the labourers in his own immediate neighbourhood' Did Gentlemen know of any di s t r i c t i n the:kingdom in whic h it was considered no favour to giv e emp l oyment , but a gr'ai favour to give labour ? ( Cheers.) - That was the, , posito l , l ° Jamaica. For that the people of thin! country .had xen," e great sacrifices. They had made those sacrifices to .fea" . ,,, k3 the people of Jamaica free and happy, but not to.plaeo•th,.', in a position so infinitely above the middle and labolgif; classes of this country. British Guiana was infinitelynoree;ol - According to the statement of Governor Light, in ter the negroes were all eager to buy land ; they ,wee be dressed than the generality of the peasantry of England 4 would not wear coarse cloth ; they slept on good beds, amt.'s'', sessed side-boards, and other expensive articles of futatituti: u l they drank champagne, were fond of salt. fish—( A laugh )._b preferred plaintain and coo food, which was &paste loaned by beating plaiutains in a mortar, and which he supposed must ,ho the dinner of herbs to which his Right Hon. Friend the Mein ber for the Tower Hamlets had alluded the other "opting. ( Cheers and laughter)--in a speech to the principles of.-which the Hon. Baronet the Member for Cambridge had- been.! so eager to tender his support, that he had thought prope r tur peat it to the House that evening., -(Laughter.) . If socll was the state of the negro population, he would ask the House if the bargain had not been so far effective ? Did he complain of that state ? On the contrary. he rejoiced at it ; but . li n would say that it was not, fair to calico the people of this coati" try for fresh taxes after the bargain had been se fully cote" pleted.—( Cheers.) The question was merely one of a mercan" tile nature—it was a quest'on of protection to the W e st liidia interest, and not one of the slave trade or slavery—of protre tion granted to that interest at the time they were slave-owner' —( Cheers)---although advantage was now tak en . o f the question for another purpose, as he had already stated. If' were a question of humanity, some of the words introduced by the Noble Lord into his resolution ought to be ornla°":, —(Cheers.) It was an attempt .t o carry ou t ancient prejudices under the cloak of philanthropy. It s cas s monopoly assuming the disguise of philanth ro py.—(Cheesi.i He would not then go into the question of cotton, tobaccoe." ot o h s dei position o ee nassumed intoslave-labour ssum etdh this p ye r oh o ui d sn u tß c r e iyii n h , h t butiicihohne. was wF r f o r iue e ln e d l d y mt p he e er r e m it i e t a . n t d e bd, forer b t o t b n i 'rower Hamlets, that it was not a question of free bade at All' because it could not be called a question of free trade or fai r competition when free labour was brought into competiti°l with slave labour, He would a d m i t i t was not a question' °, free trade, because there was still a great protection continne to the West India interest—(Cheers)—but he would a sk In' Right Honourable Friend when the experiment of competition between slave labour and free labour had ever been fairly trie of mad y e , When they talked ab ou t th e sacr i fices wh i ch the peopler,. England had made—and they had m a de great sa c ritices- -- ' ° : the fiee seixi e ail xtinction been n of slaver heby the West should India 1 ke to proprietors- e w t o b r a s t * eaf selves ?—( Cheers. ) Whenever they came to that Housiet be j invat iably came to complain of some invasion of their monory —(Cheers.) In 1807 they cried out that the abolition .° the slave trade would be their destruction. They Mau lea.des the same complaint when it was proposed to admit r, Est sugar, and they had repeatel it when it was proposed that r-:7 0 India sugar should be admitted. Every alteration that had l' c a proposed would, according to their own account, be a tteir t with their immediate ruin; yet liere they were, at the pre•Lea% moment, in a state infinitely more prosperous than thel u ie been bef u i e th e emanc ipation.—( Hear, be ar .) The N ob Ts t Lord, the Member for Liverpool, had, when the Noble 1,1 ) ... the M em b er f or North Lancashire had brought forwarillsl plan for emancipation, moved a resolution for giving the bl ond India pl an t ers a larger mum than 2il millions, on the g r L et i of the immense losses they would have to incur. It hadttv,rest calculated that, during the.apprcnticeship, the loss to the India proprietors must amount to 150,0901. 'annually. PP at Fri f upol for Tor Inca Etat, vvo u Prof. (Pei shot cur / for I WarC He qu er high new try. Part not • l'ac*l tien t not, cheqt for tt cient what this timbf must of a. *hat tho a l thi 3 for 1-1 No w, Hou, City that, th ey there np ee , tit t eztarp gene] trad e pre se ho q, On t h in till ° Nee free t ` l l€4 l •&MU' • 'the in ragetn of for Now fficult hi IC eb~ th; PT , TI the ha TI di( tar the err trh did ovt the hc dit Bur, Th Wo the WL tut: the pat out tho pla Pe( ex f ael, fret eac Was the, goo any to t wit} of a from atm mor Ithi, qtlei VIOu said ni g h that