The Sun. — London, England, 1841-11-05 00:00:00

1110TtNING SUN' THE EXCHEQUER BILL AFFAIR. - EX AM IN ATI 0N AT THE MAN SION-HOUSE. The re- examination of Ernest Rapallo, the individual abarged with being concerned in the late fraudulent_ is sue ef t xcheq eloills, was resumed yesterday. From an is early hour and long before the doors were openefor by ewiltnen'eanentof business, the . Court was besieged , „ a large number of persons, including many of the -,,,est influential merchants and members of the Stock .cxelloge. 1:S°1111 disappointment was experienced shortly a t f i t ie er ea th s e e %11,,b_l•l.w.ereadtted by the announcement that which be taken in the Lord took Mayor's place, and those 11,10en.a general rush immediatelyprivate room, to Justice-" had been previously almost excluded from the room were thereby enabled to obtain the best places, omllr. 13urnaby, the chief clerk at . the 80w . , -stre o e f t th e ~ r Arr. Lefroy, Mr. Maule, and Mr. Raven, . reasury, with th e • .and . several other personscotinec A t i e r d . in attendance. Ge \\%, . investigation, were early trwalington, who represented the A ttorney- I t. 1; was also present. We alsoobse w il lughes, Mr. Bodkin, the barrister, iB,e 0, 3 sett,,Wood, Pirie, Sir Geo. Carl-A , Aldermen l' : l l i A n Mr. 1• 4 4,., 4 e, en pessent, that every accommodation was at . - tf t j a to the unusually large number of gentlemen who At public from the public press. e.t a l',„, . kt, a "" minutes pasteleVn o'clock, Alderman Wil t - i th e eFompanied by Mr. Ilobler, entered the room, an Pa.. Pr's Oner having 'ester, the ' been brought in, in custody of Aid,. officer, teedmf a s? an WILSON inquired who commenced the pro- Ilr 6 1, YADDINGTON said—l have the honour to appear, I n a b-llea,healf of the Crown, to conduct the prosecution; and is, tefirustand that the only duty I have to perform to-day sar YPart al b e a p t r h e a li s to b i e n e a n r v y ery propor T y considered a neces ehar,e, ot ll th pours e_nder au Act entitled first of William the evidence. the rhe prisoner has been bills knowing them to he inr‘getr uttering Exchequer .s. _ en . , n punishment for such ail offen ce * . IIY that Act, the pun' --la been sin as made capital, but the caita A l e p tattaehedto ha i c t only the repealed, and , a subsequent . n. most justl'unishment of transportatio can n t has been be COM' matted f o - Y °l,jeCted, that before a party tre d he trie r r t b ri i ' i t i l, s it must be shown that forged, he uttered these knowing them to be There is eun t . ° , llll t about that at all. However suspicious the cir ,ted'atices h Il ltlY be under which he uttered a these have h b e i e ll o s : still that°Weyer e xtraordinary his conduct a m fa y cia , case, and the filet wou ld not be more than a r th e e lFt loust be proved by other e P vid im ence,and s t t l a ia g t e bz th e Lie)arest possible evidence. At the present me to refer to thAnsiness it is not necessary for I m ay ob ter, ' statement made by the prisoner. he had, at vs ' ri o gane 'allY, that he admitted that eterill us time:,, received from a person . _ . named Smith he rigout quantities of Exchequer bills. He admits that Pled ged carry . on Rock ~ them for his own purposes—to ;48 toleculations of his own, in which he says issue of Exche quer bi la ve a Part. Even since the last Smith htui t h t , in June last, he states that her l e 3 c o e , i o v o e o d l., fr a cr d cin 04 • xehequer bills to the amount of to _i_m, l• i Smith 114, 4 t)ccasion, when Rapallo applied brUp . ed hial in one sum Exchequer ilts totlaies regards the s :‘,a. r ds of 80 ,0001., That is the transaction proved that sol e toDrills, but unquestionably, unless . fall % `these were false and counterfeif i ,Vh l e a vvhole charge everya°tne ground. Now, I shall prove this, with regard to Pave 'arge number of thse bills. Rapallo mentioned that IVIkU; to of those bills to a person nam l el i A s f r a e r m ri a n r e k r_, stble that t,e make advances upon them. t Itoilidilt"le never sold any of them, 1, that no doubt t t a i k ol e; to b tl 4 t v l e i e b a e i e w n tly a s very inconvenient course . for him to pledged them for advances ao t d o enable e 'ke e l g. 9 un with his ruinous, outrageous, . tor i,atri°ll3 of they were not something worse) in lar.eeee funds. Ilowever, he gave some l ofthese bills, a shall call Mr. I.4lllantity of them, to Marriner. an a n ti et' before you, and he will tell you . that he kept Pall e , Ill ' al a ccount of all the bills he receievresdoofromoamßead lie tt r a . ' l , l that lie passed these to a 1 or( ci(al nin order to raise the money. P De Bercicam om Marriner. He Willi, efi ' v e that he received them, ir came from Atariirae;tlte these bills, and show that they mo st 6: and it will then be shown by the clearest and of th ni."lltestible evidence that these bills . are every one If it be 11 „ ae es e s r - t far ged to the amount of sixteen ig so: l i ' and there is no doubt that it may Le desirable Lie ce iuture occasion to carry the proof further, it can 16 -n e • of ' but th on the present occasion I shall prove that )Q°l. I G 0 es e billsamounting to the enormous sum f o kid si were forged. The'evidence is of the plainest ked e raPlest nature. You will hear how these bills are t led e ,, ° ,u i t at the Treasury-office. They m ar e e nt n , ow issued by which tile Attie provisions of an Act of rar 41 1 t L e e?t the Auditor of the Exchequer was abolished, ( le a "e issue is now conducted by the Comptroller it 1,,,a1, Lord Monteagle. sheeaanterfoil. The each gennin l e 'o bill of theseh the rightbills of f h t e i r m e tehh - .' a nd the counterfoil on the left—the t d co d t a in te te . rfo T il h a e n r d e 444 bill corresponding in number.- and on t he „ 14 ,e of these bills on one s ideot n t u l m ie b s e l r ie e e d t, hi4"taer side the counterfols in the f i bil - ntvay. Between each bill filled with the c l o v u tt n y te io r g - Il itie s 'ere is a long slip 111 t tlif N - , different in each, and when the bills are ? t he sl i °ll for circulation they are cut ' c oft e • w in ai t i l m ie g m l i i d o d e le a o t ! Itel i P s n as to leave a portion of 11 i n, i t ic ° the counterfoil, so that when the bill is brought Nur; ` ir der to know whether it be genutn l e s or n t o e t, x u ae p t o ly n 11 4 ,4 ta°,lllPared with the counterfoil, un e . s i th at i l ls a nd fits in shape and pattern, it is pretty clear 11 ,tta i b' e s pot genuine. B u t. if it does not correspond its Nee, r ' date, and pattern, there is no doubt about , i o iit that eltde y.h w ido h_ to r , ob i t g o a eub r onl d t a. trne t ed o k_ k4 ti rtil : l , ; (l°4 t f l : i s tll i c 3. L fj‘ L i. p l l a: h t A t e e t ni r ' p a t t l i e e the r e) o s 'd r ( o n n tl v whoii i l i l i i) findns o b p e p ; This is,av?ltch these I ' ) ao arl '''llo seemed to think that 1T cold (ret them Fart, tailiteited extent, had a clua"UtY off printed in the Itsti 4 "i r 41 which the Exchequer bills are 4,t(,eid correct form and if it be necessary to go 1 , 4 t1e 4 .t Part of the case I can show that Smith ave for g the ' Mel r i - ''' have more blanks than were nece l ssa ais object *e s be,glie bills printed, in ordcr to show t i . a. t 'vet , s a ?tainit a fraud. I shall call before yoi 'll._ . r l'er sk. ' of th e T , . - will prove that it . is nethis s_teater. reasury, who '''' th e e, nor that of Lord Monteagle, that is attached f .tla ain s -, bill a- That evidence being give . n, what ore :r then 15; My Learned Friend, Mr. Bodkin. who attends tr°l,t-r's°ner,will take care that that evidence begive i n t „ai b e ,„; and correctly, and he cannot contend, after f• ,'ja rv -4 . I .r ell, that there ' is not ample evidence . to go to h respect ~, J-sut I shall go a little further, for, wit the 44 iii -va l of the bills, I shall produce. shape NI•Tle bills, which do correspond, both in th Patt , there e rn, and you will bear in _mind, that :. 11 , r uhe; re never two enuine bills of the same 7 1 er s . : and therefore there could be no doubt that the cow b - -I .' e forged and countethit. It is not a l question lately ke t cfor e tis as to „hat opinion a jury may tallo itgall.nder all the circumstances of the case, but Ra .ills toi!,lng been found dealing with then hati ee `'er circumstances of a very h quer saiciou the most kit tlit l'aclltired that the case should undergo s alr,„,, e and sear 1* ' ' Mr Rapallo, as has nature, been t, e ,.--uy 541, , s c ling inquiry. 11,1,'„6t which d '' a foreigner, and he shall have all the f ' 4 / f • eur 1 th at orei gne aws give • ' him of a jury t r a and half natives, and . your leo this • composed o se nd hini jury you will !,, feel 1.. I have no . doubt doty suspicion must The evidence litre tie ''' . to the of on reading every 4 , of ti le st t the of any man Is it possible that day can saut:,llent lie has i i 4 l ag any art that Smit m h ad l e a:d the power of pro : thi l t il ° admi ts !It of Exchequer i t bills he pleased ? t 40 Ives th eY w ere „In his statement e s n miti t i ha h t ito h s e elf, di h d ot n i o te tio reason l i ne property thi s thou g h t th or supposing that they were genuine, he must have believed ka Illas t extr4eY %sere enial 44 er of , i , ~ ?rdinary statement that Smith had the s fur his own purpose F re e k , 4 r ouucing and uttering on the °a nt of Exchequer bills, which, Ilfn• ‘ , 4l. it i '- that' as most monstrous and absurd. till:; the ir ltapallo was dealing with these it bills know a 4 ,th', to be forged and counterfeit, and I feel submitted to itttuii4:_._o:enee must - ,aftertliis inquiry, be . N wi7d that theinv esti gation of this most gigrtic hilimineby my Learned Friend.l ‘ ,.1,., 11 riot be stopped , , •Le - LLT a it Y 'to, ab exammeu uy . a f ir e b pr i ' '41 1; . 4 1 ', 1 % Burnaby ? Chie l n rl A c n a n t iN ß G O r r-s — treet...-- i' .41'5 ,-; , L.41( 0 down the statement 14 1- 11-. ' I did.--W hen was that eo ? I' 1 0 1 n r. th il e a ‘ P3 3 a d li° o ' f (t)hee las-tli%t.---Where ? At Whitehall.—Before efor t e he l c vh h o i m ef a %ist at ement made ? Before Mr. you ? It is. l' l ' thr4attthq Bow-street and several of the ' taken down by T I l i lis a w th e rl e, atatement then .. Hall, Ministers.. tliZ -- -1)41 - i ls ener sign it after \,,,-'‘ it „; L . 'e Make it voluntarily, it had and been was :le e cautioned ad os er ttL s sh e i - g' it be used against him before Hall, t l i i t e at si w g I,„ 4i c i W ag told distinctly by Mr. signed d te l ver Its,reaftet,",_•ettld be taken down in w o r b iti r n e g ad , and t T t i a g t h o ! at "ut. r,,!,e used against hint. 1, 1 , t he rhe statement will be found in the exami i n n at o i , o ni r t k lausion-liouse yesterday which appears t t• e •I . as the nu„,, t4 ent 1 -‘44 exain'ned by- Mr. BODKIN.—That w ~. ...„. as i t a coma to v' s lia na de by the prisoner.. vv th -tr. it rrative, or, was it elicited by . questions put A t . s aD e al ' i , a 4 ll ° ? To a certain extent it was giveliin " er - - '-'; a narrative, and part of it wasby questions.__No. "--f. L . e th e .. . him by Mr. Rally . Ares ee,tion_ questions all put to h .I' re at ? were put to him byysome of the Ministers 1 ea l u h alt. es.-llow long was he under examination ? th e n r e - I) ast five to half-past eight Thre aat'ltenaber.---Ilad he any friend present, or was o'clock, as near. as of e a- .. ''''gal Gentleman in attendance on hi a s s b a e f h r a ie lf od ? th Mr. a person present, but whether he ß w ot, in fact, 3i:ere *4LPallo's or not, I cannot . say- . h 4r • hall I - 1 " legal adviser along with tum id '? Of'hos,. in him that lie might . se . l d roo n f N or o w ; 'h b o u m t Imtila In f act, Mr. Hall and the Minis m te i r ou l t v e e s t:t a o tt u d t tend hi % „ 1 at the Home-office for ten fa itee th at in that timethe at hemightavepoint of t kt th e , , of Whom he pleased.—But, in Was he 4 1 idiea - 4,•as no legal adviser present ? 4 t 'e r e r Certainly not.—Did he attend No vOl e urarily, I do abftst I ' 4 que ' t or any one or how was he ther hl'sed, ) i las it by appointment ? Yes ; after t_ °•q-eQa"a w'rTlillaull\v• came ;ou to attend at the he ll o o t na lie e e - I t _ a 1 ... . and wen 1 I t down, know ; ing ..4_as,he tyPointinent. Ile was not a pr.soner so _At _ 1 re had Z' t ''lle- " 44 at large ever since ? I believet there then.— ' h 4 i b , a ktie‘tvaobfist..l.l!s!nes‘s as usual ? Ido not know.—.l I „,:wri efflee,,?ti Yes, !alien into custody; was it not „ 1 ., i I I 11110 the X of kilo je.ouscic,e,latnNt7SF: I went there yesterday t searchin e q ? inept "°. hi ?. INTwas it , 1 v.____T ha t o i r v r t e ts s te i r o fohlilsowo•elfideen,ie, and ' l , All the books and papers were taken .l... v or by Forrester. Did he make any resk -- Was 0, lie ,av there any attempt at ,cvoennceal ik4llll34llieciri:o so ,- f, e up alt at once.—Even 1 east di} s 1, 4) () • ant"u 1)d 1 - es ' all ; everything without lie not also to you of the er 11 some pap to inetimted ne other hands ? Yes ;he said that a ago he entrusted a bag of' papers to Mr. Mar- ItE, riner, and he was anxious that they sheuld be restored, and put along with •the other papers.—And that bag con tained papers of which you have, and could have had, no knowledge, but from his information ? Certainly ; no knowledge in the World. Mr. Morgan here interrupted the proceedings. He wished to make a statement in explanation of something said of him in the prisoner's statement. Mr. BODKIN—You bad better net interrupt now. There is no imputation on your character. At all events, on will be heard by and bye. The prisoner—l never made any charge against Mr. Morgan. . Mr. Morgan—lt is said, " Mr. Morgan knew all about it." lam anxious to explain all my connection with — Mr. WADDINGTON—I must beg it to be clearly under stood that I make no charge—that I throw out no im putation of any kind against Mr. Morgan. I am not so instructed. Mr. Alderman WILSON—You will have an opportunity presently, Mr. Morgan. At present we will go on. Mr. Marriner, sworn and examined by Mr. WAD DINGToN—Are you a ()Ater, Mr. Marriner ? No. — What business are you engaged in? lam secretary to a mining speculation.—How long 'have you known the prisoner? About two years and a half.—Did you know him while he was in the employment of Mr. Solari? Yes.—l believe Mr. Solari is dead? Yes.—When did he die? On the 18th October last year. —During Solari's life was Mr. Rapallo in the habit of bringing you Ex chequer bills? Yes, he was.—Has he continued to do so since? Ye..—For what purpose? For the purpose of raising money to pay the differences on Stock, or to take up Stock. —Do you mean that he pledged them with you for money? Not with me ; they were brought to me that I might pledge them for money.—Has he brought you a gre..t number within the last year ? Yes ?—Has he brought many at a time ? Yes. ; so many as eighty odd at one time.—For what amount were the bills? For 1,0001. each. The whole eighty were for 1,000/. each ? Yes.—Tell us when that was ? I cannot do so without referring to my books.—You have books in which you kept an accu rate account of all bills you received from the prisoner? Yes ; they are now in the hands of Mr. Maule. Mr. BODKIN—What is that you a re looking at? Wit ness; An extract from the books.—Was it made at the time of the transaction ? No ;it was made a few days ago. Since this matter has turned up ? Yes.—Then put it aside. You must refer to nothing that was not done at the time of the transaction. Will you (to Mr. Waddington) confine your evidence to some one transaction, it will be much more convenient and more regular. Mr. WADDINGTON—My Learned Friend knows as well as any one does that in such a case as the present one, it is impossible for me to do so; he knows that it is the uniform rule to inquire into any, or all transactions, that may make out one case. I shall show that he fre quently, repeatedly, uttered forged Exchequer bills. I must go into the whole case if I see fit. Mr.BonKrst—l do not want you to be embarrassed in any way, but let me fully understand you right. What are you now about to inquire into? Mr.WADDINGTON—I will now confine myself to the 80. Witness—There were 84. Examination resumed.—Then Mr. Marriner, of those bills which he gave you on that occasion, did yoti afterwards pledge them in the hands of Mr. De Burckam ? I handed some of them over to him.—Do you mean the whole of them ? No.—Tell us what part • of them and when. On the 30th of March I gave 36 of the bills into the hands of Mr. l)e Burckam.—Were they part of the 84? Yes.—What was the date you re ceived them from the • prisoner? The 30th March.—Oh, it was on the same day as you received the 84 bills from the prisoner ? Yes.—And on that day you handed them over to De Burckam ? 36 of them. .And you have the numbers of them there in that book ? Yes, I have.—Did he afterwards, in June, bring you more ? No, not in June, it was in October.—Do you mean in the last October?—Yes. On Oct. 13th he brought me the bills from 6,404 - to 6,413 consecutively.—Was that all he gave you on the 13th October? Yes ; ten bills.—For what amount ? 1,0001. each.— Did you hand them over to Mr. De Burckam ?—I cannot say unless I refer to the book ; I think I did.—Refer to your book and see. Well, we will now go on with the ease as to these ten. I will lay that before the Court, and I think the Magis trate will be satisfied. Mr. BODKIN—That will be the better course. Mr. Marriner, are those books in your own handwriting ? No; they are extracts made by Mr. Mayo, De Burckam's clerk, and myself, since the transaction took place. Mr. BODKIN—Then you must not refer to them at all. You may turn to any thing—any entry made at the time the transaction Leek place. Witness—This is the original entry, made by myself on the 13th October. By Mr. WADDINGTON—That was on the day you re ceived from Rapallo the Exchequer bills from 6,404 to 6,413? Yes.—And all for 1,0001. each? Yes.—Will that book show whether you handed them over to De Burckam or not? Yes.—Did you give them to him for the purpose of raising money upon them, or for some particular Stock transaction ? Yes.—For the use of Rapallo? Yes. Mr. Alderman WILSON—Did I understand you to say that Mr. Rapallo brought these bills to you from time to time for the purpose of raising money ? Mr. BODKIN—He has not said anything of that kind yet, Sir. Mr. Alderman WILSON—I understood him to say so. Then let me inquire. The prisoner brought you bills from time to time ? Yes. Cross-examined by Mr. BODKIN—W hat became of these ten bills you don't know ? No, I cannot say, but according to Mr. De Burelcam's books—Never mind that, you know nothing of it of your own knowledge ? No. Mr. Alderman WILSON—Did you give those ten bills to Mr. De Burckam ? To the best of my belief I did.— For what purpose ? Was it for the purpose of being negotiated, or as a deposit to raise money ? It was as a security. Mr. BODKIN—I am sure the worthy Magistrate will excuse me, but I think that is assuming more to be proved than has actually been. Mr. Alderman WILSON—I don't assume anything. I asked him that question because I understood him to say he gave those bills to Mr. De Burckam; if I had not un derstood that I should not have asked him the question. Mr. BODKIN (to the witness)—Did you not say that you did not know whatyou had done with the bills?—l did. Mr. WADDINGTON—He said that lie remembered that he gave hint ten bills. The Witness—l do not wish to attempt to evade the question. Mr. BODKIN—I did not say you did. I don't wish to hint at such a thing. Mr. Alderman WILSON—I put the question that there might be no misunderstanding. Mr. BODKIN—Are you prepared to swear, of your own knowledge, to whom you gave those ten bills ? I have no absolute memory with respect to those bills, except by reference to my books.—Did you know Mr. Solari at the time Mr. Rapallo was in his employment ? Yes.— I believe at the latter part of his life he was in bad health ? He was.—ln consequence of that did tile ma nagement of his concerns devolve upon the prisoner ? Yes. —Did you know Mr. Solari to be the agent of Mr. Smith of the Exchequer-office ? Not at all.—What was Mr. Solari ? He was described as a merchant., and he also entered into Stock Exchange speculations? Whether those speculations were upon his own account or that of other individuals, you don't know ? I do not.—But you were in the habit of receiving Exchequer bills on account of stock speculations during the life of Mr. Solari ? Yes.—Sometimes from Mr. Solari him self during his lifetime? Yes.—And since Mr. Solari's death you have been in the habit of receiving tkem from Rapallo? I have.—There is nothing unusual I believe in that state of things is there? It is not unusual in the City, I believe to raise money upon Exchequer bills? Certainly not.—lt is every day's practice is it not? Yes.—There appeared nothing suspicious in this transaction to you? Certainly not. Examined by Mr. WADDINGTON—Have the number of the Exchequer bills that you have received increased since Solari's death? They have.—Did you ever have so large a quantity as 84,000/. worth from Solari? I don't think I ever had.—Now, with respect to these tun Exchequer bills, as I understand you, you know that you gave ten bills to l)e Burckam, but you do not know the number?—Yes. William Mayo examined by Mr. WADDINGTON—I be lieve you are the clerk of Mr. 1)e Burckam? I am.—ls he a foreigner or an Englishman? An Englishman. —What is he ? Is he a stock-broker? He is. Mr. HOWLER—Is he an admitted broker ? I don't know.—Was Mr.. Marriner in the habit of pledging Ex chequer bills with Mr. De Burckam during the last year ? lie was.—Have you any entry in your books of the transactions in Exchequer bills on the 13th of Octo ber ? Yes. Mr. BODKIN—Is that entry in your own hand-writing? --It is. Mr. WADDINGTON—HOW many did he pledge ?—Ten, numbered from 6,404 to 6,413. Mr. BODKIN—Do you recollect whether you saw any . madethe bills ? I don't know.— All you know is that - you an entry, but fro m what cause you made that entry you don't know ? Just so. Mr. De Burckam sworn, and examined by Mr. WAD DINGTON —You are, I believe, Mr. De Burckam, a broker in the City of London ? I am.—How long have you carried* on your business ? Four years. Mr. Alderman WILSON—Are you a sworn broker ? No, I am not.—Have you been admitted by the Court of Aldermen ? No, I have not. I have carried on my business for four years, and my father did it before me. Mr. WADDINGTON—Have you, during the la two or three years, been i n the habit of making advances to Mr. Marriner on Exchequer bills ? Yes.—Do youknow Rapallo ? I know him b y sight. I have seen him with Mr. Marriner.—Do you remember, o d n t Exchequer e 1 l o 1 r s tuber, youelr,Alri Marriner n i n n o e t r theallvi;nigf iplleeddgide, the transaction entry in your clerk's hand -writing, was it made at t m.— in my . books, and I wil l swear to the ok at this lie time ?. I believe it was. it to be Mr. BODKIN—Are you the party that directed • made? No, lam not. xc.. haver bills Mr. WADDINGTON—Did you give ten to Mr. Maule?—l did. Mr. IlonLEß—Where do you live, Mr. De Burckam?— At Upper Clapton. Mr. Alderman WiLsost—Where is your counting house?—ln Cushion -court, Broad-street. Mr. WADDINGTON—Did you give.several Exchequer bills to Mr Pemberton ? I did, I gave him 16.—When ? Last Monday week I gave him 16. Charles Robert Pemberton sworn—Examined by Mr. WADDINGTON—You have received several Exchequer bills from the last witness ? I have. I received 16 from him, and I now produce them. (The witness here pro duced the bills.) Mr. HODLER—What are you, Mr. Pemberton ? am the Private Secretary of the Chancellor of, the Ex chequer. Mr. W AD DINGTON-.-Did you receive the bills now produced from Mr. Burckam ?---I did. Mr. Burckam recalled. Mr. WADDINGTON—From whom - or where did you receive those bills? I don't know:of my own knowledge.— Had you any from Mr. Marriner? I believe all the bills I gave to Mr. Pemberton I received from Mr. Marriner. —What did you do with the other bills? All the other bills I disposed of in a different manner.—Among the bills handed 6,rio edbylytoo 3? you to Mr. Pemberton, were the bills .numbered Mr. WADDINGTON—AS Mr. Bodkin has requested for convenience that we should confine ourselves to some particular case, I may as well state now that we are now about to confine ourselves to the ten bills now pro duced by Mr. Marriner. Mr. BODKIN—IS there anything in these bills which will enable you to speak of them except the numbers ? —Nothing except the numbers. Mr. BODKIN—YOU said that the bills had sometimes passed through five or six hands ?—Yes, through several hands. My books will show that. Mr. WADDINGTON—It appears from the entries that all these bills are June bills. Let Mr. Marriner be re called. Mr. Mariner recalled. Mr. WADDINGTON—What is the date and the month appearing upon the bilis pledged by you with M. De Burckam ?—The 16th June, 1841. Mr. WADDINGTON—It appears that it was in the month of June from M. de Burkam s books, and their dates, and their numbers are all in June. Mr. BODKIN declined to ask the witness any more questions. Mr. Dudley Montague Perceval called in and ex amined by Mr. WADDINGTON. Are you the Assistant-Comptroller of the Exche quer? I am, at present. —How long e. have you held that office? I was appointed on the 6th of January last. — The Comptroller-General is Lord Monteagle ? Yes. — Is it part of your duty, under the Act of Parliament, to sign Lord Monteagle's name to Exchequer bills? It is.— Did you sign the issue of Exchequer bills in June last? A great proportion of them I did. Not the whole of them. I signed three-fifths of the whole, perhaps. — Explain the system of marking Exchequer bills, particu larly that portion of the process relating to the counter foils. I have already heard an explanation of much of the process, which I need not repeat—that the bills are engraved in duplicate—that one side constitutes the counterfoil, and the other is issued as a genuine bill. I suppose I need not repeat what I have heard described relating to the scroll ? Mr. BODKIN—We understand that it is exactly like a banker's cheque, in fact ?—The witness then *proceeded to state that the scroll was cut down the middle. Mr. WADDINGTON—The number of the counterfoil and of the genuine bill ought to correspond. The wit ness—The counterfoil is first numbered by one clerk, and the Exchequer bills are subsequently numbered by another to prevent mistakes.—Whose duty is it to num ber the genuine bills? I believe any one of the clerks can do so. lam not sure. I think Mr. Blake, the junior clerk, commonly numbers the counterfoils, and Mr. Smith in general the bills.—W hat office did Mr. Smith hold ? He was senior clerk in the Exchequer Bill issuing office.--Have you compared the ten bills now produced, purporting to be Exchequer bills, with the counterfoils, and do, they respectively correspond with those numbers ? I compared every one of them yesterday evening.—And what was the result ? Not one of them tallied with the counterfoil. Alderman WILSON—Have you got the counterfoils here ? Mr. WADDINGTON—No, we have not. We could not bring them here without bringing the Treasury books. They can be brought if it is desired. Mr. iiiaDiust did not think it necessary. Examination resumed by Mr. WADDINGTON—Did some of them vary as to the scroll as well as not fitting the counterfoil ? I will explain. Here is a series of four bills 6,404, 6,405, 6,406, and 6,407. There are three bills in a page. Now, I know from a private mark at once in what part of the page the counterfoil ought to come. This bill, 6407, ought to be the bottom bill of thu page. It will be easy for any gentleman by making the calcula tion from 6,000 to 6,407, to satisfy himself of this fact. 6,404 ought properly to be the second bill in the page of the series, and this bill ought consequently to correspond with the second bill in that page.—(The wit ness here looked over the bills, and seemed to hesitate a little, saying, " No, I am not quite sure ;" and then resumed.) This bill, 6,404, is the top bill of a page. Now, any one may ascertain that the top bill aught to be 6;403 ; consequently it does not only not correspond with the counterfoil, but it is not the bill. Alderman WILSON—It does not correspond with the part that ought to be opposite to it. Mr. WADDINGTON—NOT do the counterfoils corre spond.—Do the numbers correspond ? No, they do not. —Have you the genuine bills with you here ? I have not.—Who has them, then ? Mr. Pemberton. . Mr. Pemberton recalled, and examined by Mr. WAD DINGTON—Mr. Pemberton, do you produce the Exchequer bills numbered from 6,405 to 6,411 consecutively ? I do. Mr. Perceval's examination resumed by Mr. WAD DINGTON.—Have you examined these bills produced by Mr. Pemberton with the counterfoils? These six I have. —1)o they exactly correspond ? They do.—Are they signed by you ? They are signed by me.—Ever y one of tm ? Every one of them, with Lord Monteagle's name. — They are the same numbers and dates as the counterfoils They are-6,405, 6,406, 6,407, 6,408, 6,409, and 6,410. These are genuine.—They are signed by you, you say? Yes, they are signed by me with the name of Lord Nonteagle. Look at the counterfoil bills. What do you say to the signature of these ? I do not entertain the shadow of a doubt that not one of these signatures is my hand-writing.— Can you speak to all ten? I can speak with confidence. Although a near imitation, it is not my hand-writing. —lt is not Lord Monteagle's P Certainly not ;it is very different. Mr. BODKIN requested to look at the genuine bills and the forgeries, which were handed to him, after a request on the part of the prosecution, that he would take care to keep them separate, which he promised to do, observing—" I suppose if they got mixed sou would not be able to separate the genuine from the forged ? Mr. Waddington. Oh! yes! but we should have to corn• pare them again with the counterfoils. Mr. BODKIN having returned the bills proceeded to cross-examine the witness.— You say you have only been in office since January, 1841? Only since January, 1841, —Does Lord Monteagle attend much at the office ? Constantly, when in town. Does he sign bills him self ?—Yes, great numbers. They are, I suppose, placed before him by a clerk for that purpose?—Just so. By Mr. Smith ?—Not by him only Are you aware w h e ther Exchequer bills have been signed in any other manner than what you have stated ?—From 1834 to the 6th January, 1840, they have been signed either by Sir John Newport or Lord Monteagle, during the respec tive periods they were in office, or Mr. Arthur Eden, who held the office of Assistant -Comptroller of the Ex chequer up to the period when he was obliged to leave office on account of ill health. You are not aware that any other person had authority from Lord Monteagle to sign his name to these bills ? Cer tainly not.—No other person could do so according to Act of Parliament. —You have had a good many be fore you lately ? A considerable number.--Ilave you seen any which do not correspond with the counter foil to which is attached a genuine signature ? I have not seen any which did not corre spond with the counterfoils as to the signature, of which I had no doubt. I have had several bills sub mitted to me, and I never saw one on which I could lay my finger and say at once the signature to this is genuine, the counterpart to which did not correspond. At the begin ning of the inquiry I was not suffiCiently acquainted with the forged signature to state without hesi tation that it was a forgery, but in every case in which I had any hesitation as to • the signature, I was afterwards told th at the bill and the counterfoil did not correspond. In answer to questions from Alderman Wilson and others, the witness said that, in June, the Supply bills were furnished in books of 5001 . each, and that he had signed two books of 1,000 bills at the same time. Seve ral questions were put to the witness, with a view of eliciting whether any of the bills which did not correspond with the counterfoil, had genuine signa tures attached to them. It was evident from the wit ness's answers that he did not understand the question, and at last, after stating that it was part of Smith's duty to place the books before Lord Monteagle for signature, the witness, in reply to an ob servation of Mr. Bodkin, that it was understood that some of the: bills had been .issued. in duplicate, and that what lie wished to ascertain was the fact as regarded that point, the witness replied, that as far as his judgment went he had not the slightest reason for believing that the signature could be gine to any of the bills which did not correspond with the coun terfoils ? Ald. WlLsoN—Rave you seen any bills which did not correspond with the counterfoils, the signatures to which you had any reason to think genuine ? Certainly not. Mr. BODKIN—As far as your investigation has gone, all the bills which do not correspond with the counter foils are .forgeries. So far as my investigation has gone, I believe them to be forgeries, not because they do not correspond with the counterfoils, but because the signature is not my own.— I compared 38 of these bills to-day, and 18 yesterday, and of every one which did. not correspond with the counterfoil, there is not one concerning the signature to which I should hesitate to say it was a forgery. Alderman WILSON—I think there is evidence enough to show that there has been a forgery of Exchequer bills, but is it not now time to show that l(apallo had a know ledge that they were forged ? Mr. BODKIN—Just so. I admit that a forgery of Ex cheqUer bills has been made out ; but have you traced the guilty knowledge to Mr. Rapallo ? Mr. 'WADDINGTON—You must be aware of this prin ciple of law, that in • all preliminary investigations the uttering of forged Exchequer bills or other documents is alone sufficient to cast upon the party the onus of prov ing that he came honestly by them. Mr. BODKIN would beg to dispute that principle of law. s u a t n te t ri S n V g itl o l f q t.o u r e g s e ti d on b s of ills t o hs r i ex so c r h t an n g o e t to take ,elu it nterfei t t hit ttle i Mr. WADDINGTON—Your Worships are far too secu rities,conver- or coin, or receiving stolen goods, was sufficient to warrant a committal, and that it never was suggested that it should be proved that the party had the guilty knowledge—that was to be inferred from the circum stances of the case. It will be for a Jury to infer from the fact of a person uttering such an enormous quantity of Exchequer bills, and I can make the case in this respect much stronger hereafter, by showing that a much larger quantity was forged,—l say, that the fact of a person uttering so large a quantity of forged bills, coupled with his statement that he received them from Smith —taking this statement, coupled with the fact that o bills to a large amount was tittered by him, I fg thinkred there is ample evidence not only for the present purpose b ut evidence upon which a Jury would not hesitate to infer that he had a guilty knowledge. Ob serve, he admits in his statement that he knew they were not the property of the person from whom he received them, and he gives no explanation of how he could have supposed that a person in the situation of Smith mid . T. • have "the power of supplying him tcr this enormous amount. He knew that Smith was not a man of property; ho knew they were not his bills,, and will any one .suppose thatanother party would authorise Smith to apply tins amount of Exchequer bills; to stock specula tions ? From the whole of the statements it is clear that the party must have had a guilty knowledge'd the na ture of the transaction. Mr. Alderman Wll.soN—lf you had charged any per son with stealing these bills, you might have some ground for Supposing that IZapallo was the receiver of stolen property. But what evidence is there here that he knew they were forged ? Mr. WADDINGTON—TIiat would be inferred' from all the circumstances of the case. Mr. Alderman WILSON thou g ht th e case o f a party re ceiving stolen goods, and of a party having Exchequer bills in his possession knowing th , .n. - to be stolen, as being very different. Mr. WADDINGTort—What I say is, that in the ab sence of direct evidence on the subject, the guilty know ledge of the party must be inferred from the circum stances of the case. Of course, if a person admitted that he had forged Exchequer bills in his'pOssession—' Mr. Alderman WILSON—NO, no ; he did not say that. Mr. WADDINGTON—Ire admits that he had these bills from Smith, and it is now proved that they are forged. Therefore. you are to say from all the circumstances of the case, whether ltapallo knew them to be forged; but if you stop this inquiry into a most enormous and gigantic fraud, by requiring direct proof of his guilty knowledge, the ends of justice will not be met. Mr. Alderman PuirE—lt would go a, great way in inferring a guilty knowledge, if I found that he received bills from the GO'vernment office and made no regular entry in' his books. Mr. WADDINGTON—That will be all very, well when the case comes before a Jury. Mr. Alderman PIRIE—It strikeS me, however, .that it would be a very important point to establish now.- -• Mr. WADDINGTON—There is one thing that I must remind you, that you are not pronouncing definitively - upon the guilt or innocence of the party, and really I think that you can hardly have paid sufficient attention to the statements of this man. . Mr. Alderman Pun E—l beg your pardon. I have read it over very carefully and attentively. Mr. WADDINGTON—I must say that that statement ap pears to me to be pregnant with suspicion, and that the party who received them must Lave been, not only a party to the fraud, but that he knew they were fraudu lently obtained. How could he 'Suppose that Smith would have been all this time supkingliim with genuine Exchequer bills? Surely when you find ~him dealing with those bills to so enormous an amount— Mr. BODKIN—It strikes me that whatever may be supposed on that point we have nothing to do with the principle. The party seeking to deprive one of the Queen s subjects of his personal liberty will not make. that a case of suspicion that the transactions were of an extensive nature. The case should be looked at as if it were simply between two individuals. My Learned Friend, I admit, has not thrown any unfair diffi culties in the way of the inquiry. I admit he has given reasonable evidence, from which it may be inferred that the documents were forged ; but there has been nothing stated to show that Rapallo had any more knowledge of their being forged than either of the two witnesses from the Treasury, who did precisely what Rapallo would do himself. I. call upon you to read the statement of Mr. Rapallo. I can well imagine how a man in the consciousness of rectitude, thinking fit to present himself voluntarily at the llome office, and subjecting himself to the rigid cross-examina tion of the acute arid able legal authorities there, might have been betrayed into some statements or admissions which the ingenuity of my Learned Friend opposite might construe as prejudicial to him. My Learned Friend dwells on the fact that Rapallo said he did not believe them to be the property of Smith ; but you must be aware that these large transactions were matter of public notoriety in the City, and the general impres sion among commercial men was, that they originated with parties 'at the West end who knew their agents in the City were conducting these speculations, and Smith might have been supposed to be the party re presenting them. In the same way Rapallo was the agent of Smith in the City ; taking up the business as it had been formerly carried on by Solari. Now, looking sit the nature of the evidence that has been given, I ask you to lay your finger upon a tittle of evidence from • which you can infer that Rapallo had any guilty know ledge of these bills being forgeries. Now, my Learned Friend relies on the evidence as being sufficient not_ only to commit him, but even to convict him; but I take leave with great humility and submission to his superior knowledge, to doubt whether a jury, even from the Trea sury or Exchequer-office itself; would be able to pronounce such a verdict. If that were so, no man could be safe who engaged in commercial specu- • lations of this nature. I submit that there is no proof of knowledge on the part of Rapallo of these bills being forged. And, Sir, I cannot help asking you, and I trust I am not making any observa tions unbecomi::g the situation in which I stand here, to look with a good deal of jealousy at the case raised against this particular person. The bills have gone through a great number of hands, and there is no doubt that they generally came from the Ex chequer-office itself ; and • a very serious question will be raised on the part of the innocent holders as to whether they will be able to recover the amount from the Government or not. Mr. Rapallo is the only link by which they will be able to prove their claim upon the Government, and that they had, in point of fact, proceeetled from the Government office. You will look therefore with proper caution and suspicion on this attempt, because, if it be successful, it will go far to reliee the Government from the responsibility which may attach to it for the payment of these Ex chequer bills. Under those circumstances, I appre hend that you will be of opinion that this is a case in which you would not be justified in depriving a man of his personal liberty, more especially when I advert to the fact that this statement of my client's, on which the strongest suggestion of criminality is founded, was made twelve days ago, during the whole of which time Mr. Rapallo has been at liberty. In that period his counting-house has been ran sacked; his books have been taken from him; and those which were not discovered, he himself voluntarily surrendered. He* has been himself on the spot, and has expressed the utmost willingness to come forward at any time. After all this I think it would really be too much to consign a person to prison who has evinced such readiness to afford every information in his power. In answer to Alderman 'WILSON, it was stated that the Government officers had Mr. Rapallo's books, and it was suggested that they should be examined, in order to ascertain whether there was any entry of these bills in the regular course. Mr. WADDINGTON submitted that that would not alter the nature of the case in any respect. The fact of his receiving these bills from a clerk in the Treasury, without making any inquiry into their authenticity, was a proof that he knew the transaction to be fraudulent, and if these entries were regularly made in his books that would be merely a cloak to conceal the real nature of the transaction. He said he did not consider that it was his business to ask whether it was a regular thing or not. He has frequently in similar transactions taken the . bills and asked no questions. But was it possible to suppose that he would receive at one time 120,0001., and at another time upwards of 80,0001. of these bills, suppos ing them to have been legitimately come by? He hoped the Magistrates of that great commercial. city would be of opinion that enough of evidence had been tendered to put the case in a train of investigation. If it was thought that Rapallo Should be admitted to bail, he had no objec tion, but that was a point which he left to the discretion of the Magistrates. Mr. Alderman WILSON thought that the fact of these bills being regularly entered in the. books of the pri soner would be a•strong proof that lie did not think they had been fraudulently obtained. Mr. WADDINGTON complained of the aspersions that had been cast by his Learned Friend on the motives of the Government, who, he said, were anxious to do every thing consistently with justice as regarded the holders of these bills. Mr. BODKIN explained. Mr. Alerman l'VrLsoN said fault had been found by the Learned Counsel, and he thought great injustice had also been done..,to the - Magistrates of the City of London, .. in supposing that there was any wish on their part to impede the course of justice. It was, however, the duty of the Magistrates to see that the liberty 9f the subject was not taken away unless there appeared to them good - and sufficient grounds for such a step. Patin '' .. Rapallo out of the question for a moment, it appeared to him that any merchant might have received these bills from Mr. Smith, as a person connected with the Treasury, with out suspecting; that they were forged or counterfeit. lie did not see how they could entertain any suspicion of the sort. - Mr. WADDINGTON admitted that such was the case. Agri BODKIN—I submit, Sir, that my client be allowed his liberty upon bail. Ile went forward voluntarily— he has attended to his business ever since he made his statement, and will again .come forward whenever it is thought necessary. My Learned Friend certainly mis understood me, when he says I threw out - reflections against the Government. I meant no such thing. Of course, it will b e their duty to ' insti tute a most strict and searching investigation into the whole of these transactions. 'What he meant to say was that these bills had passed through se veral hands. They had passed through the hands of Marriner and of De Burckam, yet they are treated as respectable men, and are brought forward as witnesses for the Crown. I look with jealousy to any selection of witnesses. Mr. Alderman WlLsosr—Well, produce the day-book, and satisfy me that these ten bills received by Mr. Ra pallo, on the 13th October, were regularly entered in a knowledge I have mercantile manner, and it will have munch , andand yet tsiiidavee rable impression upon my mind. Mr. WADDINGTON—Supposing such were to be the for one case, Sir, still in my mind it would not make the slightest difference. Parties engaged in such a transaction might and b ‘ e v l i i t e h v keep ‘urei a dl t:ygfooolk.dnnmoowemirecadaig.lnieti.ill e h i r is, c i c isae o ti r i c s l ge o su f i ci t to l y m u e l d bi bills, fancy mo ment that a clerk in the Exchequer could find bills to such an amount laying about the Ace, ; nor could he for a the prisoner or any other moment suppose they could inf l o )e re p ne u e rlt: v n h e i d o , i to mu s s u t ch ha a v n e e a n t t o a u ln i o an couldnt, it. It could not suggest itself to any reasonabl e mind; the only other inference there is th4t ;the bills were not genuine, -and -that was an amount. It is such an absurdity, forced itself upon the mind of person dealing with bills.to man of no substance. • Mr. Alderman WlLsost---aßut there might be a third party behind, or more persons in the back -ground, who were supplying Mr. Smith.. Mr. BODKIN—Just so, Sir—that was the impression on the minds of all. A book was here produced and examined, but no entry THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, NOVEMBFAI, 5, Mi. 1 of the bills could be found of such a character as to sa tisfy the minds of the Aldermen. Mr. tormiN explained that the entry was riot under the date of October, but merely consisted of the date and numbers of the bills. Mr. Alderman WILSON .--- If the prisoner were that honest man which his counsel represents him to be, it is in his power to show a fair mercantile entry of the transactions he had with these bills; tthat would have much weight with me, but he has failed to do so. Had these transactions taken place through a regular sworn broker, they never could have been carried on so long. It was a case preg nant with suspicion. How long do you ask for the re mand ? Mr. WADDINGTON—I apply, sir, for the committal of the prisoner. Mr. Ald. Witsox—l don't think there is sufficient evidence for that yet. After a long discussion between the Counsel as to the time to which the prisoner should be renianded, and whether bail should be taken, it was finally agreed upon that the prisoner should be . remanded till 'Wednesday week, his solicitor to have full access to his books. Mr. MoncAN—lts having appeared in the statement made by Mr. Rapallo, that " Morgan and another broker knew it all," I am most anxious to ask him whether he meant — Mr. BODKIN—You cannot put any questions to the 1 1 prisoner. I can state, however, that he exonerates you from all blame. The prisoner declared that Mr. Morgan knew nothing of the transactions except in the regular way, nor was he at all acquainted with Smith, neither had Smith's name ever been mentioned to him. Mr. Perceval begged to explain. A question had been put by Mr. Bodkin in such a manner as to leave him no room to give,an explicit answer. lie wished to say, such were the precautions taken at the Exchequer Office, and such the checks in force that it was next to an impossi bility for genuine duplicate bills ever to be put in circulation, but as for a consecutive series of duplicate numbers to appear, was as .near to an impossibility as anything hu man could be. Mr. Morgan .stated that he was a sworn broker, and from 120,00C1. to 130,000/. worth of these bills had passed through his hands. The prisoner was then removed in the custody of the officer. The Lord Mayor's private room was densely crowded ' during the examination. Many of the first merchants of the City and members of the Stock Exchange were present. FINAL EXAMINATION OF MR. BEAUMONT SMITH AT BO Wr STREET. Yesterday being appointed for the final examination of E. B. Smith, for the forgery of the Exchequer bills, which has created such a sensation in the public mind, he was conveyed, about two o'clock, to the Court in a cabriolet, by the Governor of Tothill- fields ; and, after a short delay, the witnesses not being then in attendance, he was introduced and placed at the bar. Mr. 'Waddington, as counsel, and Mr. Maule, solicitor to the Treasury, conducted the prosecution ; and Mr. Martin, the barrister, with Mr. Walmesley, appeared for the prisoner. Mr. WADDINGTON having briefly stated the case, a conversation took place as to the necessity of examining the witnesses de 7101,0 who had given evidence on the two examinations at Whitehall, and it was ultimately agreed upon that the depositions which had been then taken should be read over, instead of examining the wit nesses again. Mr. Burnaby then proceeded to read the whole of the evidence, as taken before the Chancellor of the Exche quer, Sir R. Peel, and Sir James Graham, which is as follows : " Mr. Maule, solicitor to the Treasury, stated, that on the 25th of October he attended at the Exchequer-office for the purpose of comparing a number of Exche quer bills, or, what appeared to him to be such, with the counterfoils, to ascertain if each tal lied with each counterfoil, commencing with No. 6,404 and 6,405, with consequent numbers, the first of which did not correspond, and the same was the result with others. It was then suggested that a mis take might. have been made with 6,404, and it was again tried, but with the same result. Mr. Wood, Arr. Blake, and the prisoner, were present, and as they were con versing, the prisoner said he wished to speak to witness in private, and on their retiring to an adjoining room the prisoner, who appeared to be much disconcerted, said be had resolved to disclose the whole matter to witness, for he had .suffered great anxiety of mind, and he had con templated self-destruction. He had contemplated that re , solu don chiefly to make reparation to the public interest, and he also assured witness that no personin the office was concerned in it but himself. He said, lam the author of all the mischief !' Witness said, Do you mean to state that you forged the bills ?' and he replied that he had put the numbers on them, but another hand, lie would not disclose, had put the name. When comparing the bills 6,404 and 6,405, witness asked if lie had put the numbers upon them, and he said he had, and that he had seen the name of Monteagle subscribed to them. He also said he put all the bills into the hands of Rapallo, and had commenced such business in 1836, or six years ago. Witness him if he knew for what amount he had issued bills, and lie said he could not tell, but it was for a large amount, and that it was easily done, and witness could have done it himself. He was asked how, and he replied that he had a number of bills over and above the issue which he used for, the purpose, many of which were given to Rapallo With the numbers only on them, without the signature, and that some of them might be still in Rapallo's hands. Mr. Wood was called in, and being told what the prisoner stated, that he was the author of the bills, lie was requested to hear it from the prisoner himself. The prisoner then repeated nearly the same statement; and witness told him that he should prevent his leaving the office, and he was subsequently given into the custody of Inspector Partridge. The prisoner asked if he did say he could not disclose the hand that put the name on the bills, in stead of he should not, and witness replied it might be so. Witness did not observe that he was excited. There was a leaf in the book of counterfoils that appeared to be the remainder of one torn out; and upon witness re marking it, the prisoner assisted in showing that it be longed to an adjoining leaf. He also sho w e d t hat one of the bills which a gentleman thought corresponded with one of the counterfoils did not. From the time he saw the prisoner until he retired with him, he gave all as sistance to examine the bdoks and papers." Mr. Samuel James Wood, an accountant in the Ex chequer-office, who was called into the room by the last witness, after corroborating the principal part of his evidence, said that the prisoner admitted having assisted in the fabrication of many bills, that he had numbered them, and that the signature was attached, but he could not say by whom ; and his impression was, that he pur sued it since 1836. He also named Rapallo, to whom he had given them, and exonerated every person in the establishment, as having any knowledge of them. He said that Rapallo promised that the bills should be redeemed before exchanging, in March and June ge nerally, and witness thought he said there were 100 first, and then 50, at 1,0001. each. The bills examined before going into the private room, belonged to De Berckam. A discussion took place as to the propriety of taking the evidence of Inspector Herring, who, Mr. Maule said, was absent on business, by the direction of the Police Commissioners, but Mr. Martin said he would have no objection to allow it being read. It was as follows : " He was in the station-house in Gardner's-lane, West minster, on the 25th October, and at nine o'clock, having gone to the cell, and told the prisoner he was the In spector on duty, and had been at the Chancellor's-office in Downing-street, and at the Home-office, the pri soner asked who was there, and he was told, Mr. Hall and Sir James Graham. He then asked if witness had seen Mr. Wood, and lie replied he was in Downing-street. The prisoner then said that he was in much trouble of mind, and had been so for some time, and hoped his wife would be able to stand it, He said he had broached it to her on Saturday, and it came upon her like a clap of thunder; that the first difficulty he had was lending his name for 10e1. to a frien", who came back, and he gave another bill in his own name, which he either said had come back, or lie had borrowed money at an extraordinary interest; that his difficulties increased until that time to the amount of 1,8004 and finding himself so awkwardly situated, having no money to recover himself, for to take the benefit of act would be the loss of his situa tion, his friend advised him to get some Exchequer bills, whirls he did in an evil hour; they were blank bills and 14,000/. were vested upon them. Witness remarked that was a largo sum, and he said it was, but it was done to relieve him from his difficulties. He said his friend promised the blank papers should be returned. Ile then told him lie had seen Levi at the Chancellor's office, and he asked what sort of a man he was, and if he was in custody, for he (Le‘ i) had deposited 6,0001. worth of bills. Witness observed that it was wonderful such amount of bills could have gone into the market without being detected, and the prisoner said it was almost impos sible to discover the forgeries, and that if these bills were shuffled, he could pick out the black sheep; that the money with which they hall speculated had in al most every instance been lost; that they had speculated largely in the British Iron-works previous to the Chan cellor's decision, which was contrary to what they had expected, and it was done with a view to turn them selves round, but it went against them. The prisoner also said there was a gentleman named Ra pallo, but Mr. Maule took no notice of it. lie said this person had been engaged in the Bonaparte expedition to France, when he took a boat to Boulogne, and he thanked God he had failed. The friend he had mentioned in the commencement of the discourse, was the same Ra pallo. The communication was made quite willingly, and witness asked no questions, but let him go on, nor did he urge him to make the statement. In answer to a question by the prisoner, witness said the money ap peared to him to have been raised by the friend, and he did not recollect, from anything the prisoner said, that he had participated in it further than to relieve him from difficulties." The prisoner was then cautioned, and he signed his statement. Mr. HILL said he was surprised the inspector should have been sent out of the way when his presence was of such importance to sign his deposition, and answer any questions that might be put to him, and he should not neglect to mention the circumstance in the proper quarter. Marriner was then sworn, and examined by Mr, WarknixoroN—He said he was Secretary to the Mining Association, and resided at 26, Throe°morton street. lie knew a person named Rapallo, a Genoese, for three years, but had not transacted business with him more than a year and four months. They .were often Concerned in the British and Foreign Funds, and to obtain money on Exchequer bills, he being in the habit- of giving witness a great quantity of Exchequer bills to raise money on. Witness had handed all the bills to Mr. De Berckam. The accounts respecting the bills and other transactions with Rapallo were kept in the book produced. On looking at the entry of the 13th of October last, he received ten Exchequer bills from hilt for 1,0001 each, dated June 16, 1840, Nos. 6,406 to. 6,413, to raise money upon them, which he gave to De Berckam's clerk on the 13th October. By Mr. WADDINGTON—Iie gave them at the house, but did not see the entry made, and 'could not say is it was in the handwriting of the clerk. He was in the habit of gi►ing bills to the clerk and to his employer. By Air. MARTIN—AII the entries were respecting transactions with Rapallo, except one which was with Solari, with whomhe did not do so much business as with De Berckam ; and when he first knew Solari, he did not know that he and the other were so much together. The Company was the National Brazilian Gold Mining Association. By Mr. WADDirraTow—The largest amount of Exche quer bills from Rapallo, amounted to 84,0001. at one time ; and on the 19th of September, 1840, 88,0001., but redeemed and returned 17,0001. to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, some remaining on loan and some in the hands of Mr. Maule. About the 21st or 22d October, about 54,000/. were redeemed. Francis Townley De 13erckam proved that he gave six teen bills to the Treaury, on the 25th, all of 1,000. each, to Mr. Pemberton, for which he got a receipt. The bills produced were the same, but he was not cer tain of their identity. lie received them fram the last witness, and had no others in his possession. Mr. Maule identified two of the bills as the same which he had examined with the counterfoils in the pre sence of Mr. Wood. The witness De Berckam said he went to the Ex chequer-office with ten bills for the purpose of having them examined. By Mr. MARTIN-It was the day fur redeemed Ex chequer bills, and seeing some mention made of the present charge in the newspapers, he took 64 of 1,0001. to the Exchequer-office, and finding that Barclay and Co. and the Westminster Bank had duplicates, he went with them, but never heard of the prisoner until that day. lle also went to Mr. Mobier the broker, who knew some- thing about them—found the nu mbers the same,and the pri soner said it was his handwriting, and they were genuine, but there was an error in issuing them, and several were examined to see if they would correspond. The two produced, however, were the only ones examined in his presence. Mr. Dudley Montville Percival, Assistant-Comptroller in the Exchequer-offiCe, stated that the Assistant was di rected by Act of Parliament, in the absence of the Comptroller-General, to sign his name. According to the mode in which Exchequer -bills were prepared, it was quite impossible that two genuine bills of the same num ber, date, and value could be in the same issue. When he said impossible, he meant that the precaution to carry it into effect was as follows : When any series of bills were brought to the Comptroller-General, or the Assistant, to be signed, the book of duplicates is produced to either of them for that particular series in which the number of bills is to be signed, the first and last as of arithmetical series contained in that number, and the title under which the particular issue is made, with the value of the bills already entered. (Witness here drew a plan on paper to explain more clearly his evidence to counsel.) When the bills are brought to be signed, they are noted in the presence of a clerk in arithmetical series, and if no clerk is present when signing is gone on, he is called in, and every leaf is looked over and examined in the presence of the person signing, after which the signing officer signs the book of record in the same line on which the previous entries have been made, but in another column. Another examining clerk signs his name also on the column opposite in the same book. The date of the day on which the bills are signed is entered in the extreme columns at the right and left, all the en tries being made in duplicate on the spot. As to the counterfoil, every Exchequer bill is printed on duplicate on a broad sheet of paper, a broad scroll running down the middle of the sheet, on each side of which there are three bills. The bills engraved on the left side are inten ded to be kept as a counterfoil, and are numbered in regular order by a clerk in progressive and regular se ries. It is:the duty of another clerk to number the bills intended for issue, as each bill on the right hand and the counterfoil bear the same number as the corresponding bill on the left, and when the right hand bills are cut off to be signed, issued, and stamped, care is taken to cut through the scroll that a part may be left of the counterfoil and issue. Witness compared the two bills in question, and they corresponded in neither way. The signature of " Monteagle," Nos. 6,404 and 6,405, was not his, nor that of witness, he was certain. Witness identi fied various bills produced as having been signed by him, and they corresponded with the counterfoil, and in other respects. Mr. WADDINGTON said that as that was the Whole of the evidence about to be offered, he thought the case quite ripe for the committal of the prisoner on the charge of forging and uttering the bills in question. Mr. MARTIN asked if the prisoner would be again sent to the prison from whence he came ? Mr. HALL said, as far as he was concerned, there was no doubt that the prisoner should be committed for trial, and there was no necessity for sending him to Tothill fields Prison. Mr. WADDINGTON said it would be keeping up the question unnecessarily to remand the prisoner, and there was no great hardship in sending him to Newgate. The prisoner being cautioned, and asked if he had any thing to say, declined making any defence, as the case was in the hands of his legal adviser, but he refused to sign the declaration. The witnesses were then bound over in the sum of 100/. each, and after some conversation respecting the improper conduct of Inspector Herring, in absenting himself from the Court,' the prisoner was removed from the bar. FALL OF EARTH ON THE CROY DON RAILWAY. The trains were stopped from running on Wednesday morning, between the New Cross and Dartmouth stations, in consequence of a slip of earth, to the extent of 20,000 yards, having taken place, at eleven o'clock on Tuesday night, from the banks of a deep cutting, rather more than a quarter of a mile south of the New Cross station, on the first inclined plane therefrom towards Croydon. The earth has slipped in from both sides of . the embankment on the rails, and covers them to a considerable depth. It was so far fortunate that as the half-past eight o'clock train passed a partial giving wa) was observed, and information .of it having been forwarded to the London and Croydon stations the trains were stopped for the night. The Directors were immediately apprised of the circumstances, and Captain Heaviside and other Directors instantly as sembled, and determined upon contracting with Messrs. Wheatley, the coach proprietors, for the convey ance of the passengers going to and returning from London on the Brighton, Croydon, and London lines, on that part of it between New Cross and the Dart mouth Arms station. Several engines, with carts at tached, and a great number of men, were employed in -clearing the rails, conveying the soil down the incline towards Cold Blow Farm, Deptford, where it is shot over the western embankment ; and it is fully expected the rails will be clear in a few days, as the clearing of the last Brighton railway slip, at Mersthatn, was completed on Tuesday night, and the men employed at that are now available to assist in this one, which it appears has taken place through the unprecedented state of the embank ments, resulting from the immense quantity of rain which has recently fallen on them, which are constructed upon an incline of two feet to one foot rise. The number of men employed in removing the earth has been increased to 500. The Brighton Company are only running five down trains, and four up trains, in consequence ; but will increase them to seven each way when the line is again clear. The Croydon Company have also discontinued nine trains per . diem. A con tinued crowd of persons have been at New Cross to see the passengers arrive and depart by the omnibuses. The train from Croydon, upon arriving at the place, was stopped by a signal, and the passengers were conducted by the guards over the slopes, or top of the embankment, to the other side, where a train was in readiness to take them London. So near was the Brighton up-train that it caught the end of the fall of earth and escaped. • MUNICI YAL ELE C TIONS EDINBURGH. GREAT TRIUMPH OF THE LIBERALS. TUESDAY EVENING.—The annual election of Town- Councillors for this city took place to-day. Only three of the wards were contested by the. Tories ; but in all of them they were signally routed ; they did not succeed in returning even one councillor ! The greatest contest lay in the sth ward, which, being in the west end, is the aristocratic ward. Tories have exclusively represented this ward during the last seven years. There were four vacancies to be supplied this year ; and the Liberals were determined to oppose the Tory candidates. The following is the aggregate state of the poll at its close : For Liberals For the Tories Majority -7 0 . - The announcement by the polling clerks was received with deafening cheers. The Tories are greatly mortified at this defeat. The number of Councillors elected to-day were— Liberals l4 Tories 0 ! ! LEITH, Nov. 2.—ln four wards the Liberals were elected by great majorities. In the fifth one Liberal and one •Tory were returned. The triumph of the Liberals may therefore he pronounced complete. FALKIRK.—Four Liberals and two Tories have been returned. EDINBURGH, NOVEMBER 2.—The annual election of Town Councillors for the city took place yesterday, and created an unusual degree of excitement. The result has been just what was anticipated, the triumph of the Liberal cause in every one of the five districts. For the first time since the passing of the Burgh Reform Bill, not one Tory has been returned to the Town Council. In every case where the 'contest lay between the Non-Intrusionists and the Liberals, the latter have likewise come off victoriously. It is true that, in the . Fifth Ward, four N on -I n t rus i on i s t s ha v e been elected; but it is important to observe that they have been re turned in opposition to four Tories. The Sacred Harmonic Society have added another claim to the gratitude of the musical pu blic by the production of Spohr's Oratorio, " The Last Judg ment." Notwithstanding its great difficulty it was per formed by the members on Wednesday in so excellent a style that we feel convinced no oratorio ever produced a greater effect on the audience, who listened to every por tion of it with most profound attention. The Dublin Statesman says, that the repeal " reptile would do well to put in its horns and wait quietly housed in its s hell for better times." If this be meant to imply better times for repealers, they will not h av e t o wait long under the present Government, Patience, Repealers ! . paticnce Chartists I patience Re volutionists ! the Tories will do your work for you. No receipt is so effectual to destroy a Government, as to in sult, oppress, and outrage the bulk of the people. MORNING SUN IRELAND. --. DUBLIN, Nov. 2.—lt appears that Mr. Lefroy is to obtain the Judgeship rendered vacant by the retirement of Mr. Justice Johnson. Baron Foster, it is stated, is to go to the Common Pleas, as the successor of Judge John son, and Mr. Lefroy is to become the Junior Baron in tho Exchequer, in place of Baron Foster. The appointment of Mr. Lefroy—the most thoroughly Orange partisan in the country —to a Judgeship com pletely throws off the mask put - on by Sir Robert Peel, Lord do Grey, and Lord Eliot, at the formation of the Tory Ministry. At the Orange meeting held in Marlborough-green, in this city, in 1829, Mr. Sergeant Lefroy declared that the passing of the Catholic Emancipation Bill would ab solve the Protestants of Ireland from their allegiance. In the autumn of that year, the late Chief Baron Joy waited upon Mr. Sergeant Lefroy, and intimated to him that the Duke of Northumberland, then Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, considered him so decided a partizan that he. would be unfit to act as a Judge of Assize in place of one of the Judges who hail been unable, on account of illness, to go circuit. In consequence, Mr. Lefroy at once resigned his sergeamtcy. Yet this is the man whom Sir Robert Peel, Lord De Grey, and Lord Eliot, after all their professions, consider fit to fill the judgment-seat in Ireland ! Even to the Tories, such an appointment is utterly disgraceful—it is • really infamous. OPENING OF TERM. November Term commenced this day. The Lord Chancellor, Sir T. Sagden, presided in the Court of Chancery. Twenty-five new Barristers were admitted, seven of whom took the Roman Catholic oath. The new Chief Jiistice of the Queen's Bench (Mr. Penne- father) did not appear in Court. THE NEW CORPORATION. Yesterday the Lord Mayor was detained for a con siderable time at the Assembly-house after the adjourn ment, the crowd in the surrounding streets being so dense that it was with great difficulty and delay his car riage could be brought to the house ; and to induce the vast multitude to disperse, he presented himself at the front window, dressed in his scarlet velvet robes and cocked hat. This was xhe signal for cheers that wero perfectly astounding. The - street presented a most animated appearance, the windows, to the very topmost, being filled with spectators, principally ladies, who, by waving of handkerchiefs, marked their participation in the general feeling. After an interval of some minutes had elapsed before comparative silence could be obtained, his Lordship addressed the mu'.titude. Ile said it was n great day for Ireland.—(Great cheers.) lie wondered did they know him as Lord Mayor.—(Cheering.) That day was one of triumph for the principles of civil and reli gious liberty, and that, too, in a spot where they were never heard of before. Were there, he asked, any tee totallers in the vast assembly which he saw before him ; and, if so, he trusted they would celebrate that triumph temperately and good humouredly, and that they would imitate his example by emptying their glass in the evening, but they should recollect it was only to be filled with water.—(Cheers and laughter.) Oh ! what a great day that was for old Ireland, when the Lord Mayor of Dublin was a Repealer. It was only a fore taste of what they might expect for their country, when she should enjoy their own independent and pro tective Legislature.—(Loud cheers.) lle begged of his friends, after the triumph they had achieved, and, as. he was fatigued by the labours of the day, to retire peaceably and quietly to their respective homes, promis ihg them that it would not be the last time they should have the pleasure of seeing him.—(Cheers.) • - The Lord Mayor then descended and entered his pri vate carriage, still wearing his robes. It would be ut terly impossible to describe the enthusiasm with which: his presence was hailed by the people ; the successii'6 peals of acclamation which rapidly followed on each other were literally deafening. But here numbers were doomed to disappointment ; not only those, the great bulk of the assemblage, who had in vain expected a pub lic procession, notwithstanding every assurance to the contrary, at least for the present, but thousands who had congregated in College-green, particularly about. the statue of King William. Instead of taking this course, his Lordship, with whom was his secretary, Mr. O'Neil Daunt, proceeded up William-street, passed through King-street South, and across the Green to Dawson street. There the_carriage stopped before the Mansion- house. His Lordship having alighted, entered the Man sion-house, went through some of the apartments, and, re-entering his carriage, proceeded to Merrion-square, where thousands had already assembled to await his approach. At about half-past three his Lordship alighted from his carriage, and entered his house amid the most en thusiastic outburst of popular joy we ever witnessed. After silence was restored, his Lordship took off his hat, and addressed the people for a few minutes to the following effect : " A greater revolution has never occurred than that which has been this day consummated. Fifty years ft ,, .0, who would have ventured to say that I should be Lord Mayor of the City of Dublin ? Yet I now address you as the Chief Magistrate of this great metropolis. Let them, then, tell me, if they dare, that I won't carry the repeal of the Union, and that I, who am now the Catholic Lord Mayor of Dublin, elected by the popu lar voice, shall not have the still greater honour of being elected to serve you in the, Irish Rouse of Commons. Yes, I shall yet address the Speaker of the Irish Parliament in College-green.—(Tremendous cheers.) Now that I am the guardian of your rights, it shall be niy diity to use every energy to promote and advance the interests of your city, to encourage morality, and discounteaance vice. In doing so, one great means shall be to use my utmost endea vours for the spread of teetotalism. Oh ! give me my honest teetotaller. My friends, you have gained a great and a glorious triumph—you have gained that triumph in a manner worthy of yourselves—your triumph is one of peace—that of liberto over oppression—of reli3 O ns equality over sectarian exclusiveness. In your . Struggle for this great end no riot, no tumult, no bloodshed has characterised your proceedings—there is nothing to cloud your joy. Enjoy, then, your triumph in the same spirit as that in which it has been achieved. This is, indeed, a great day for Ireland. We can triumph' over the ene mies of our country without injury to an y man—without insult, or molestation, or offence. We want to be su perior to none—we are now their equals in everything, and it is not for us to seek for more—we never wanted more—we are satisfied with equality-we now have it carried into practice. (Loud cheers.) lam now your chief magistrate—to me you have en trusted the peace and tranquillity of your city.' I 'iced . not tell you that in that capacity I will, to the utmost o£ my power, exert the strictest impartiality, and in every thing, I know, I can rely on your support and cordial co-operation.—(Cheers.) His Lordship retired from the balcony amidst the most deafening cheers. The vast concourse, whose conduct on this day of national triumph had been marked through out by the most exemplary order and inoffensive demea nour, then retired, and the most perfect tranquillity' reigned in the city during the remainder of the evening. THE NATIONAL REPEAL ASSOCIATION. The weekly meeting of this body was held to-day at the Corn Exchange. Shortly before one o'clock the Lord Mayor entered, and was received with loud and prolonged on the motion of his -Lord sip, Awas called to the chair. After the announcement o f contributions from Eng landhir. M c a hreknry chewing ; when, and America, Dr. MURPHY gave an account of his mission to the county of Sligo, for the purpose of aiding in the registry there. Lord Palmerston was giving his best assistance to his numerous tenantry to register. Mr. O'CoNNELL was delighted to hear that Lord Pal merston was now looking to the state of the registry in that county in which he had so much property. lie had. no doubt that in a short time the Percivals and Folliotts would be driven from the representation of Sligo. Lord Palmerston was a statesman of the first order; by his po licy for ten years he had preserved the peace of Europe in the midst of difficulties, and added g l or y t o t h e B r iti s h . name in several parts of the globe.—(Cheers.) 2c,) . l ' . lle ls r s e . peal Bd rent h fo e r m th ee e ti p n as g tth'"e'eteil a c d j w o as urn d ed ec . lared to be ORANGE OUTRAGE ON MR. MURPHY. The worst feature about this outrage is, that it was perpetrated under the impression that it was a Boman Catholic Prelate that the miscreants had in their hands, and that it was an aged and helpless Divine that they were thus ill-treating and insulting. We are not enabled, at present, to point out the chief perpetrators of this nefarious act ; all we know is, that a number of the gentry of Tipperary and the neighbourhood assembled at Caber that day, for the rate::. We understand that M r . Murphy has made a fall statement of the whole.proceeding to Lord Eliot, who received him courteously, and, of course, pr,,mised n redress ; but what can he expect from 'A Govein_nic.rt. that makes Mr. Lefroy a Judge, and tas appointed M Brewster counsel at the Castle ? whole Ca- Nothing can equal the incliTmation o f the , . of their most tholic community at tnr, insult to one say no thing of worthy and most reri,ectable member s, to 11 Catholic the intended oul:-age upon the m ve nera e ost Bishop is l".eland.—Dublin Evening Post. --------'------- TO THE EDI7'OR OF THE SUN. Overseer, e l ritse,—er,Coarnßy Beadle? a u d i le n ? form me wh at parish it is urcin th arden,e City of London that is witho ut a Minister, Chhw An answer will oblige, your's, most respectfully, T. W, City, Nov. 4 , 1841. IWe cannot answer tl~e ------ Mr. HOOD —The revival of the " Comic An nual," after a la p se of two years, will hardly astonish a public, familiarised of late with the Trances and Magnetic I he S l um b e rs of 11Icsmerism. and Monsieu r Lafontaine, will v eas .ors of Baron Dupotet ily . comprehend th a t the work w as not defunct, but only in the state called Coma, or more stop. properly C omma, because life d oes not com e to a fa I n reality there remained so m uc h t vitality in the periodical, that an effort of volition, and t h e necessary manipulations on the part.. of the a su fficed to restore i t to the wakin g conditi on of ivi o- ls Okey, when she is conscious of Cuts and susceptible of impressions. To those persons who are unacquainted with the mode in w hich, b y Pass es , more potent th an those of the old overseers, the soul is...packed off to some extra-parochial settlement, until thence recalled at the will of the operator, it may be requisite to state with less Bird mysticism, that, like the imperishable that cannot be done to death" even roasti ng by tto a cinder, the ` Comic Annual" has arisen from its ashes in full song and plumage. 'Literary naturalists, ornithologists, and others, , interested in the phenomenon, may verify the fact by application to 11r. Colburn, who has the Phoenix in his Collection. THE QUEEN DOWAGER. ---W e are happy lo learn that her Majesty the Queen Dowager has con sented to become Vice-Patroness' of the shipwrecked Fishermen and Mariners' Benevolent Society, and has sent a donation, of ICI. in aid o f t h e f un d s o f t h a t Insti tution, the demands upon which, at the present season, must doubtless be very numerous. rce , re. 1 " : e if I t l t i,o all log t lO LStr itch tb° 0 10 1:1 0 " fart lb° : 111Y , Q t.