The Sun. — London, England, 1819-03-20 00:00:00

PARLIA MENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, MARcti 19. Lord Chief Justice ABBOTT Silt for the Lord Chancellor as Speaker. The House did not meet till past five o'clock, in consetpoence of the Lord Chief Justice haring to attend a Council at Carlton-houstr. A • Message from the House of CGTIIMOnS I by \Jr. Brogden and other Members, stated„ that the House had given leave to David RicardO, Usq. to Nirt'lld the Lords' Committee of Secrecy on the Restriction, &c. if he should think fit. The British Plantations Wool Bill, the Nassau Salt Bill, the East India Good , (lieland) Bill, aid ki titivate Bill, were brought up froin the of Com:tions, by Mr. Brogden anti other Members, and read a first time. The Ittoceedings in Halford's Divorce Bill were pooponed till Tuesday. Petitions against the Renewal of the Insnlvent Act were presented by the Earl of Haretvood, the Bishop of Chichester, and the Earl of Shaftes bury, from Halifax, St. G les -in -1 he-Fiel d s , and St. George. Bloomsbury ; and St. Mary, New ington, by the Matquess of Ormond, against any alteration in the Coal Duty, from Merchants, Manufacturers, &c. in the district of Scarsdale ; and l!y,Lord Kenyon, respecting the Poor Laws, front St. Marylebone.—All ordered to lie upon the table. The Marquess of DOWNSUIRS gave notice of his intention to present on Monday the Petition of the resident Protestants of IreLnt, in favour of the Roman Ci"holic The Mutiny 13i11 was read a third time and passed. The Royal Marine Mutiny Bill and the Indem nity Bill passed through Committees, and were reported without amendment. The Hate Glass Company's Bill was report ed by the Earl of Shaftesbury without amend- fllt'llt. The commitment of the Poor Laws' Amend ment Bill was postponed till Tuesday. . A witness was examined in Tat,V» Divorce Bill.—Furtlier proceedings on Friday next.—Ad journed till Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Hutchinson, from the Bank, presented an account of the balances of public money in the ItAi,ds of the Bank on the Ist and 15th inst.—Or der.:.(l to lie on the table. Mr. Trefosis, from the Stamp °lice, presented an ccount of the balances of public motley in the lauds of the distributors of stamps on the Ist inst.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. LYTTPLTON postponed his motion for the abolition ot State Untteries to Tuesday next. Titus Tot, ELECTION. The Report of the Committee appointed to try the meri , s of the petition against the return of Mr. IL Davis and Mr. Protheroe, as Members for Bristol, was brought up. It stated that the Com mittee had found that M.. Davis and Mr. Pro therue wet e duly elected, and that the petition acid the opposition to it, were not frivolous or vexa!ious. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR presented a petition from certain inhabitants of Durham against the equali zation of the Coal Duties.—The petition was reed, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. GORR LANGTON presemed,a petition from tl►e inhabitants of Bath, complaining of the frauds and mischiefs occasioned by Mock Auctions, and praying that . Parliament would adopt some mea sure to prevent them. ' Mr. WAITIIMAN confirmed the truth of the stat,ments in the petition, and hoped that the lion. Secretary of the Treasury would now be pre pared to state whether it was to be expected that Ministers woidd bring forward and supvtt Huy Bill for abolishing those nuisances, Mock Auc tiro 3. Mr. I..!ISHINGTON said, that the wily Bill which had been offered tor the approbation of Ministers had been fnund objectionable. If a Bill,was pre sented without those objections, it would be ex amioe,i, and probably approved. Mr H. SUMNER presented a petition from the inhabitants of St. Mary, Newington, praying for an equalization of the Coal Duties.—Read, and ordered to lie on the table. PETITIONS. ' The following Petitions were then presented : From ,Leeds, against the renewal of t-he Insolvent Debtors' Act; from Barnsley, against the same Act ; from Spalding, praying for the revision of the Criminal Law ; from St. Ann's, IVesitninster, against the renewal of the ; insolvent Debtors,' Act (presented by Sir F. buidett) ; from the Bo rough of Osweston, against, any alteration in the Coal Duties ; from the same place, against the renewal of the Insolvent Debtors' Act ; from Exeter, for the modification of the Insolient Debtors' Act ; from Newport, -Shropshire, against any alteration in the Coal Duties. These petitions were severally brought up, read, anti ()roe' ed to lie on the table. COAL DUTIES. Lord Fot.XESTONEretnarked, that a great deal of uneasiness was felt generally throughout the coun try as to the intention of Ministers with respect to the Coal Duties. Ile hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer would now state whether it wai the intention of Government to support any men sure for equalizing the duties on Coals. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it xv , is really impossible for him to make any of her - declaration on this subject than that which lie had ulrewly - made, that he thought it would not be ex pedione, or wise, or - beneficial, to make any alter ation in the Coal Duties. SCOTS BURWIS. At tlie Riig es tio 11 of M. IiBOUGYIAM, Lord A. postponed his motion relative to th e Seer. Burghs, from Tuesday next, to Thut.sday the Ist" of April. BRE:YETIS' DRUGS. Arr. - WicrtHr:lA; rreAented fi petition from WithAm WeAver, who had been p) osechted by the Excise Colontivsioners for having sold a s,nal4 itqautity of Spanish juice (a prohibited ub stance) to a dettl?r in bottled porter. It stated that the petitioner bad bought the Spanish juice At the Mike of a Brewer, and that the purchase was the only fact that could be proved against him at the trial. In consequence a compromi. , e was entered into, and although the total 71111011 W of the penalties for which he was prosecuted was 44,0001. it was agreed that the proceedings against hint should be quashed on' Payment of 2001. ; but AN it tinned out that he could not pay that auto, his whole property was tak e n in execution. and himself cast into prison. The petitioner stated that he had a wife and seven children.—The pe tition/was read, ordered to lie ott the table, and to be printed. Mr. IVAurnmAN then gave notice, that on Tufts day he would move for au account ot the expences incurred in the prosecution ot the petitioner. ROYAL HOUSEHOLD. On the motion of Lord CAYCLISREAGII, the Re port of the Royal Household Bill was taken into further consideration, and the Amendments agreed to.—On the motion that the Bill be en grossed. Lord FoeF.esToNE said, he objected to the clause, granting 10,0001. to the Duke of York, As the clause now stood, it stated that the sum was granted on the same grounds as the like sum had been granted to her Majesty. Now he clearly recollected that the 10,0001. had been granted to her late Majesty to defray the increased expences to which her Majesty would be put in hold ing drawing-rooms, and not for the care of his Majesty's person. It was obvious that no such reason existed' for giving th'e same sum to the Duke of York. Then the question arose, whe ther it should be given to his Royal Highness the Duke of York or not. It was well known that his Royal'Highness would be exposed to little or no additional expence by the care of his Majes ty's person. In tact, the only expence to which Ice would %be subjected, was hiring foar post horses once a week--a thing so trifling that he thought his Royal Highness would hardly coo descend to accept any remuneration for it. But he objected altogether to the care of his A;AHty•s person being entrusted to any person not resi dent on the spot. The t reat reason for giving the office of Custos to her late Majesty was, ber residence at Windsor. li e was therefore of opi nion, chat as there were tiro Royal Princesses now resident at Windsor, either of them would be tench more properly entrusted with the care of his Ma jesty's Rerson than the Duke of York. He was resolved to take the sense of the House on this clause, and moved as an amen;lnient that it be omitted. Mr. LYTTELTON expressed surpr i se t h at no at _ teivitio was paid to the objections just made to ;his clause by his Nobie .Friend. It was dis graceful that the !louse should be called upon to vote such sums on false pretences. It was a con stitutional maxim that the Monarch should not appear before his subjects unless graciously. He would put it to the House and the Country to say how far Ministers had attended to this maxim. They had brought every Member of the Royal Fa mily before the House in theirm:asty, v li odious tiio a t n it du gracious manner. He migh flat tery, that the Duke of Yolk was more dear to the country than any other member of the Royal Fa mily. Among the various sophistical reasons by which it loot been attempted to support the grant of 10,0001. one was, that the dignity of the of fice required it. He thought quite he contrary ; and that taking such a sum was inconsistent with the dignity of the office, and threw a suspicion on it. The true reason for :he grant was, that the Doke of York was in embarrassed circumstances. That was notorious. And it certainly would have been much better for Ministers to have come down to the House and stated truly and fairly the state of his Royal Highness's affairs, and neces sity of making some grant to relieve him. In that case the House might have added a condition to the grant, which would have secured its proper aFolication. Sooner or later the House must be 'called upon for a grant to relieve his Royal High ness. When that was done, he would put it to the House,whether his Royal Highness would not, after receiving this 10,0001. come to thens for a further grant with a very bad grace. He hoped his Royal Highness would see the impropriety of contouuding his interest with his honour. It was also to be considered that there were large accumulations of the. Privy horse, in which the Duke of York was more interested than any other person. He expressed his disapprobation of the strain of pathos in which it bad been attempted to discuss this subject, though it was well known that his Majesty was .no more. interested in it than if lie had been dead 20 years ago. • • Mr. PROTIIEROB was• aware of the delicacy of this subject, but could not refrain from saying a few words upon it. Ministers seemed to have impressed his.Royal.Hightiess's mind. : with very wrong notions as.to- the constitutional nature of this question. and the affluence pf the coirutry.,— All•the opinions which lie had on a former oc casion expressed o.n this, subject rema i ne d unal tered.—The House then divided— For the Motion - 155 For Lord Folkstones Amendment • 97 Majority —59 On the Reportere . te-admission to the OaHuy, they found Mr. W. WYNN - objecting 't , i•‘a verbal inaccuracy in the preamble, which Conveyed that an additional expenee - was incurred in piovicting for the care of the King's person. After a few wards from Lord CA3TLEREAGg, the Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Monday next. BOROLTGII OF TAVISTOCK. Or► the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, n new Writ was ordered for the borough of Tavistock, in the room of-Lord Win. Russell, who had ac cepted the Chiltern Efundreds•• NOTTINGHAM ELECTION. Mr. W. WY NN observed that a notice stood for that night respecting the Minutes of the Se lect Committee on the Nottingham Election. As the Orders of the Day hail the precedence. he suggested to the Learned Gentleman (Serjeant Copley), the propriety of postponing, it to the first open day. .Serjeant .CorLaY acquiesced, and the notice vris fixed for Tuesday next. Mr. PEEL presented a Petition from the pa rish of saint George's, Hanover-square, agitiost the Insolvent Acts.—Ordered to lie on the table, GAME LAWS. The Hon. Mr. Ba AND moved the second reading of the Game Laws Amendment Bill. A Murytntta, whose name could not he learned, observed, that the advocates of the present measure considered it not a Bill fur the Preserva tion of Game, but as one calculated to produce a diminution of crime. His impression was, that it would be attended with a far different result, inasmuch as the facility of disposing of their plun der would insure to poachers both a certain and a higher price. He did not panegyrize the (ante Laws, but he did think that, with all the im perfections of that system, the good predo minated, The evils, he was confident, the pro posed measure would rather aggravate than di minish. Sir JOHN SHELLF,Y renewed his objections to the Bill. On such a subject the House, he felt, shGnid legislate practically, and not theoretically. It was impossible, he thought, to deny that the offence of poaching would increase with the fa cility-of selling game. The Country Gentlemen would absent themselves from their residences in the country—every farmer would feel the bad ef fects of such a change ; and the exorbitant pres sure of the Pours' Rate would then become in supportable. He concluded h moving,.as an Amendment, that the Bill be read a second time that day six months. Sir J. STLWART seconded the motion, and con demned the p:inciples and the tendency of the Mr. WILBERFottco observed, that though no sportsman, he ‘Vkiti as ttuicii al ti e as any man in that 1-louse to the importance of keeping, by every possible indocement, the Con try Gentlemen re sident on - their estates. He felt fully the value of such a custom, when he reflected on the exer cise of those qt4,:iti,r2s which that class, the pride acid honour t,t the kingdom, were so conspicuous in caltivating, and to which might mainly be at tributed the peculiar character this country bad acquired. When he felt that result thus strongly, it could not be supposed that, he would yield sup port to any measure which tended to diminish so laudr.ble an influence. But fr o m the best views that he was enabled to give the proposed Bill, combined with the opinions of others, on whose authority he could rely, he weer persuaded that its effect would be to increase, not to diminish the quantity of game ; while, on the other hand, it would produce tooongst the population a grow ing indisposition to commit violations of the Law. Under the present system, the Game Laws were considered so opposite to the rights of nature, that the great body of the peo ple were hostile- to them. But this evil as sumed a much more serious aspect, when the subject was considered on the principles of huma nity. When they recollected that it was from poaching offences so many were led into those criminal habits which ultimately led their victims to time gallows, exclusive of that number who in early life were imprisoned for the offence, it would constitute such a 'mass of criminality as ought not to be suffered to condone, unless the House was convinced that no remedy could be prtivided, In fact there must be great dealinga'in game—dealings to an astottishin, extent. Per sons daily brought sacks to the metropolis. Let the House consider the amount of vice and misery that must thereby be created. Let them consider how many bad friends, bad husbands, bad servants, bad members of society, bad subjects, must thereby be made. If they wished to dimi nish crimes, they must remedy this great evil. It was a question of extreme importance. The, pro posed alteration was recommended on the strongest grounds of humanity; and if, in conformity to prejudice, Parliament allowed the existing evil to continue, their conduct would be productive of the most mischievous consequences. - Lord C . :Live contended that the Bill before the House would not effect the objects it proposed to effect. Otherwise so sensible was he of the de tects of the Game Laws, that he should be one of its warmest supporters. In particidar, the Bill would, in his opinion, not tend to repress poach ing. As licenses to sell spirits or tea did not pre vent smuggling, so licenses ,to sell game would tint prevent smuggling. Seeing nothing in the Bill , to induce him to support it, but a great deal to, induce him to be hostile to it, he should cer tainly vote against the second reading. Mr. T. L. WELLES . LEY Supported this Bill, which, with some few, amendments, would be sa lutary to the public. The laws, as they now stood, were disgraceful to our Statute Books.— What vpu cannot .protect, at least, in this in stance, you ought to legalize. He approved of the prlociple of the Bill, and thought it would tend w remove many obnoxious Acis. Mr. Cox?, said, that he recollected, six and thirty years ago, a motion baying been made on this subject, at which time three distinguished Lawyers, Lord Kenyon, Mr. Dunning, and Mr.- Lee, declared that Game should be private pro perty. That he considered to be excellent all, thority ; an•l in the opinion so expressed, he per fectly concurred. Unquestionably- every man had a right to that which was on his estate. He (Mr. Coke) was not sent to that House for amusement or profit. Were he to consult the latter, he might, perhaps, find it to his advan tage, as others did to theirs, to sit on the other side. But be, and the other Members of - that House, were sent there to take care of the ante- rests of - the small proprietors as well as of those of the large. The. grievances which resulted from the present system of the Game Laws were into, lerable. Towards the close of the last sporting season in the County of Norfolk, a poor woman, going accidentally into a plantation,was so cruel ly shot by a gamekeeper that her life was de spaired of. All that the keeper said was, You have only been wounded ; had you gone further, you would have been killed." This poor woman had three children, and the only allowance she received from the parish ,during her consequent confinement was a shilling a-week.—Were such things to be endured ? Conceiving that the Bill before the House would not only tend to pre serve the Game, but that it would have a more extetisive and beneficial operation, he should give it his decided support. A NIBMBER, whose name could not be learned, ' wished that the Bill might be read a second time' hut thought that some of the clauses did not f.' n tar enough, and might be advantageously exten d ' ed in the Committee. Mr. Betimes, in reference to the story of the Game-keeper, and the wounding the poor won"' in Norfolk, asked what had been discovered incite present Bill which would prevent similar tlee i i dents ? His Hon. Friend (Mr. Wilberforce) halt not, he believed, read the Bill, otherwise h e wo"1" have observed many incongruities ie it. Gentiereeu said, that by the continuance of the present laws' there ‘voeld be an increased portion of bolo" tensely. Let them not come with large wor ds in their months to frighten men front propriety:": With ell the pretensions to objects of loensultY , which had been recommeeded by this Bill , if ` e3 ,., 5 curious to find, that two of the most rigi d acts °" the statute-book were preserved in it ; indeed be could not do well without it. Occupaucv was lbe right to property, and whatever game appeate d ," " the land occupied became the property of the I; . divideal in whose possession the tend S: was. ”- i n i Geutlemen comic:felted the law for punishing a men for killing a hare. This was certaialY_, trespass on private property, and therefore ;:, q . eired some penalty.- With all the comtuer''ret (tons of the present Bill, was a poacher in a b et : l r t , i s ii t i f l a rne t t eslrieiegi himself, by i b i ( v i i :i f le ai g , L l e hi ;a r o al s d k t s e t o a t p t t n fr e t o l t: p l i e le l , : r v n i t '' vo a i i l t l i t ao . toktl;lntlitrseille reminded of P ie ` t alt the birds at once which had aris";nbfyro'fintrilitligs asinfi!f „ i 11.- piece of ground, when he killed one bird , a *,," ( ae e " t , i e t r b e l s s e ( i: a i ) re i a p l : d o of p t the new law, the rest flew away. 'lbis was in some n t i ri st eet - I things were rejected or flew away front ri x i v e d bere force) had confessed himself no .3 garbled, that a ll the g li c) : 0 , law. His lion. Friend behind h:m (Mr. '''. he for the °a " 3 a was consequently no practical the o l ) , as rations of the Bill. All that bad moved hig l tea s the supposed prevention of poachers, a q t 6 0,0 which was thought a nursery for crimes. 1311`00 now had one, you would by the effects Bill tended to increase poachers ; for wil e " '; e of ;I'r.ici)ltitittilasoveon at be least destroyedfive. ;Baesni(tileas,gaallngtolife fai::: bonds, poachers be meant, would be let on the public, to the annoyance of 100.senderj every " oder § proprietor in the kingdom. Out of 52 2 'f ro , gi by the operations of the Act of last Se ss t l ci i , t this were liable to the severest penalties ; sl that this la er did not defend the general c°"", co stig which some Gentlemen had been ple ase " wine matise it with. The proposed Bill w 35 in his ions in its present state, und could 11 0 t' : , s lat' opinion, be so amended as to be reurferett P of the r anie able. He should therefore oppose it. Mr. T. L. WELLESLEY explained. m tha t the Colonel Wool) was about to affir— r i by td poor woman, whose case had been notice ( been Hon, and humane Member for Norfolk, lie" - 0 . judge of c.. wounded most fixocionsly by*that detestahslecolee strement called a,spring-gun, when Ile ova rected by— Mr. COKE, who said, that it was "not a sprint' gun." ths t Colonel WOOD proceeded by observing, . t this Bift would operate as a protection agains.; spring-guns, the most unwarrantable and f,ere°,,csi°lfil puoishment that could be inflicted :10' 115 ' -'; ( : 11 ,1 feeder. 'But he did not think that killing It b' or a hare deserved the loss of a limb, tatless li r loss of life. Let the sale of game be legttr i e s i ii and you do away at once with all poachers al roc spring-gunse It is necessary to su pp l y this g , town with game, and you cannot do, it so eft.eer,l, . ally as by legalizing the sale of fi rs t poacher ever goes out without knowii'dfd rio t the market that he is to supply.' If bevy sttels make this previous arrangement , came bo wel/ re .. a perishable commodity, he rei l ;ht as to O i l main at home, or tent his attention en( oils other object of gain. E ven were the pr" conti to pass, some few poachers might pei:haPas,es by_ nue for a time to commit their treS. P ot s steal stealth, in the same manner as some s''''', l lo/) , a re" geese or fowls. The poulterers of i'" la re' , spectahle set of men, said the Colonel' "Dula °I joice to find 'that you had legalized lb. r Of game. Where are the supplies !deco fr pror _ , F o od which serve to gratify town -eus n tr e v f e s tre y r et :s a. e ; your preserves ; for notwithsC:indi tion, this kind of property cannot b e pro t the s ill, One argument had been started aga t ins e .,, nt leto ° that ie would remove a number or " - I . 6 etiii ts from. their residences, because, of the Game, there pouf(' be no attractioio 004 there were other sports more congenial t v, oeif Gentlemen than killing Game; Consequentnlpeed. residences in the country would not be ab lOcii ‘V39 The Colonel particularised fox buntiog, wietoeu is in every respect more congenial to Gent' s ou s entlY k general. Keepers of preserves frequ so es' a beyond their commission, by poisoniteg ' rize i 14 though they were a specieseof gamed Pineo:cle; by the des-i. 00 many of their masters. Formerly 0 41 ; 3 - e ir gag-% lighted in going out to the field urittrtto eolleet.tt, kill game,ltt" . •now the custom l'v a6 e , e reser ve t many pheasants as possible toge like so. many barn-door fowls. Ile ilevellia. c ool t ber..lo r t - b o be in France ; but he was told.thatio t . trs eli a il the practice• was to surround a " r eFff s , ln the o O t! woodland, drive out the animals, ao".. t hey e . a takes his shot at him en passant, end thels.o,o PIC' 1 knitting! T his(node ditfered as Moat l e i .- e. ,. e il I ° list) hunting, as French Gentlemen liii ;, IP their manners from English Gent le Tel . Isadore-mit , e hoped the proposed law odd pass . , that te All% FRANK LAND LEWIS was COO Vitleeu . se o' Bill proposed would tend to the better pi bitiv e to tiier:ga, P"c eert i4s pro, . 0 - f is tion of game, and the prevention of Game ought to be considered as good The sal e e any other produce on an estate. s orti e otherolg 11, p t i o an be b be ad legalized. op te(j a II(Let"l thea licence otlie plan be adopted, and the benefici s u i r e re) tifeoei t , i , would soon be obvious to the mast indiffer . 1 9 I v server. Some Gentlemen thought that suct Le t cense would teed to invalidate proPe rt Y". 0 0( 1 them recollect, that horse-dealers arc licensee, He ayet provedth e i r license also, iniootni.ns'alid Memberake p fi r e o a P r e l r , i t t Y j i .1. 1 1, r; Wilberforce) had remarked, that the Bill, '' io , p I. t, ~ e fi i e preventionnt of ff publiccri n l e, morals. `When r , e‘avtillyentenadu ibis ass ure racier and lives for . flame. After I' to once , granted, people would not risk th eir ' Act, you ought to confine your severe 14" tli kV, Tit) jrl, tai, I ', " lie 41, ex( 111,1 hrg &to if2t th e hi, 1118 ki to tle tO l , - \\Tr