The Sun. — London, England, 1841-05-08 00:00:00

EVENING EDITION the House will forgive me, as it is a subject that does not some before the House in its ordinary course of business one on which no direct motion can be made, as it is going on silently and without necessity for more legislation—per. haps the House will permit me to make some statements upon the subject. The first I wish to call the attention of the House to is drawn up fom the Reports of the Stipendiary Magistrates and other authorities in the West Indies. The first statement is that the sugar crops are unfavourable—that is fer 1839—they state that the crop is below the average, but they went on to point out the eagerness of the negroes to possew cottages and gardens. I desired the Governor to give an account of the number of negroes who have attained some property. His answer was that the freeholders under forty acres it 1838 was 2,014 ; in 1840 the number amounted to 7,848, showing an increase o f 5 . 834.—(L0ud cheers.) That state ment is highly satisfactory, and as J wish to encourage foreign nations to 'follow our example, I am glad to make it, for nothing can be more enceuraging than to show that the people are not only sensible of the blessing conferred upon them, but are ( - Ling their utmost to show they appreciate it. The la'ocuters are allowed the use of a cottage, and a quarter of an acre of land, rect free. They work under verbal arrangement, at one shilling per day for eight hour!. lii Antigua there are various independent villages created, as the hest mode in which they can have a little independent property of their own, and at the same time be induced to hire out their labour. In British Guiana some very extraordinary measures hav e taken plsce. No less than 20,0001. has bees given for an estate, by a uumber of negroes combined n getiter for that purpose. There have been other sieelir instances. lii a letter from a person of great respectability, named Closndlem, a member of the Society of Friends, it is stated that in Jamaica the wages are la. 6d. per day, that there arc 93,000 labourers working five days in the week at IF., and that one million and a quarter is paid annually in wages to the labourers alone. —( Cheers.) Fie also stated that the labourers do not work hard, they dress ham!- somaly, and send their children to school, build chapels et their own expense, support many poor, and do works of mercy.—(Cheers.) Ttiea making a statement with reiret to marriage, the number of [marriages under slavery was as 29 to 34; but marriage is new considered h onour . able, and in the isl a nd of Jamaica, during the last ten years, the number of marriages has been four times greater in proportion to the population than in eeland. Such is the statement with regard to the condition of the Degrees in Jamaica ; and with regard to other coloades, I have received from various persons the most gratif y ing accounts. Now, with respect to the argu ments to be deduced from this condition, I would beg the House to consider whether this condition of the negro does depend, and is entirely depending, on the very high and excessive price of sugar? I have often asked gentlemen who have complained to me of the want of labour, why higher wages were not offered, and they have told me that if higher wages were offered it would only give the men 4 (mice the means of becoming independent, and relapse into habits of idleness. Such are the st 'temente made by those who wish to promote emigration, but with regard to tlebt e Gondition of the eegro, if you admit foreign sugar at a ilti of 36e, is there any reas o n t o suppose that the p eo pl e of%R • Bice will not go on increasing in comfort, and ob taitelefsufficient wages for the iabour they perform, and left they will not continue to be as well off as any population can possibly be ? Because, I muse say, that although I rejoice, as we all must rejoice, in th!s termi nation of slavery, and this comfort of our people in the West Ind:ea I do not think it is incumbent upon us thus to influence the production of sugar, which, as far as it appears to me, is not necessary to the comfort and well beirrebf the people of Jamaica; while it exposes to severe privation ttto people of this country. Having given them freedom,—having enabled them to earn wages,_ having given them a good measure of justice,—we are not justified in ts:v:ng our attention exclusively to them, while the people of this country are suffering the greatest priva tions.—( Her, hear.) lam told of the coriditim of the people of Jrrnaica,—cf their extreme comfort, their ea j• yrnent of the comforts of life, and their corrtfori able dress. I will now give you a statement made by a medical gm tlets,ln with rcesrd to the town of Bolton. (The Noble Lini . l then read the statement. It stated that 195,0001. lees . was paid for food last year than in the pre vimus years, and 130,0001. less was paid f.r wages; that there were 1,125 houses untenanted ; that the shopkeepers were almost ruined, and the people generally in the greatest state of distress. In one case 17 persons were crowded into one small dwelii g. The out-door relief paid last year amounted to nearly i h ee times the amount paid in 1830.) Besides that account, Sir, there me ac commis front Manchester and ether manufacturing t,wne, where the ce,ple can hardly obtain tie wagesnesessary for supporting themselves and their ferniles—(l-leat. I etr)— ant: there are f,ers that the trade, at present lerguishing, may be still farther reduced.--( Hear, hear ) 1 aek you, Gentlemen, es the representative) of the people cf Eng land—( Cheers)—with all your humane feelings for the people cf the West Indies—(Cheers)—not to be so misled by your feclirga as to force the people of this country.-- (Very great cheering)—as to force the people of this country, I say, to refuse themselves the articles most es sential to their moderate and temperate diet.—(Much cheering.) Da not force them to make such sacrifices for the sake of the people of the West ledies with whom those unfortunate men of Bolton and Manchester would willingly change places.—( Loud cheers on both sides cf the House.) We are, Sir, 1 consider, in a great, in a very great crisis, as regards manufactures.—(Cheers.) Whether it le owing to the increase of manufactures in Germany, in Sweden, and in France—or whether it be owing to the disp(sitioa of the Uni:ei States to impose still greater re strtetions upon the importation of our manufactures—or whether it is owing to tie approaching expiration of our commercial treaties with foreign nations, I will nut pre tend to say. I will not say which cf all these may be the greatest, or whether they may not bc all of them in some proportion combined.—( Hear, loan) Be it as it may, _Sir, there is at all events a great darne—l say a very great danger—of a large portion, a very large por tion, of your population being reduced to a condition so far from the enjoyn.cat cf ordinary luxuries, that they may be obliged in very great numbers to seek relief as paupers. —lteers.) What I ask you is, that y o u will give to the legitimate and praiseworthy means of maintaining thernselves.—( Renewed cheering.) We find every day that the people of this country are deserting intemperate halms, and resorting to the use of tea and coif, e and sugar as ame les of comfort.—(Hear, beer.) I say encourage that Ice:iag— ( Loud chers) —arid do cot tell again tee poor labourer that it shall Le tide year as it was the last, that the poor man 5h..11 go into the grccer's shop, and ask the price of sugar, and that Laving heard wh a t th a t price is, h e shall turn away beeau,e he has not the power of purchasing it.- s .(Cheers and counter chees.) That bas bean the case, be it observed, under your present law. You may tell me of the expectations and pre.- mists of n.e-chants, and planters, and Colonial clubs— ( Cheers and laughter)—but suppose these promises should feil_ (Hear, Lear)—and Parliament, on the faith of those should retain these duties, in the r ourse of next Autumn you will have your labourirg population suf. fe-ing the sante privations to which they were exposed during the list yoar, and forced Ito submit to the want of t e same necessary. But I am told that sup posing there should be no sutficiebt supply from the West Indies. )et the East ladies are now engaged in a vast aietu rt, of sugar, and hit a large capital has teen sent ,ut to the East Indies for that purp,se. It is possible if you ch,:ese to conlieue your sy•em of restr etion, that tie s i gtir planters in the West Indies may fled themselvet detested anJ ousted of their monopoly, not by a corcue tit ion w;th tic foreigner, with a dk.ty of 365. but with the East Indies with a duty of 245. TLat you may p.rhaps find the case eventually, but then you Mill haae (vested an enormous monopoly, a monopoly not astendiitg cos er a few islands, and confii ei to a cit on iiuraer of planters in the Weq Indie.s, who may le retained under the control of Parliament, but a mono,cly, Lacked by a ciiti , :ct Government, and wt ich will be supported not only by all those mire immediatey s•onerri ei in the uphrlding it, but by tt e whole force of the E-irt India Company, and sit those connected with its Government.—( Cheers ) And depend upcn it, )on will then have to consider another que,,tion, if sugar is to be entirely the production of a monopoly in the E iit Indies, no*, ccrteinly, a new ques-tion. but a question of the g e,test difficulty, and one which I never hear men ti :ned without a feeling of apprehension on the subject. You will have to consider the question as regards the Libouring population cf the East. (Cheers. ) The lab urers receive three half-pcnce a day each as wpg....s, and when they were brought to Dirt it; aro you found tli; y were accustomed to be forced to labour by the infliction of corporal punishment. Y ou w ill fi n d i n d eal i ng with this question that you will have to deal nt t with a mere simple system of Slavery, as you had in tha West Indies, but with the whole relations and complicat e state of society in the East Indies. You will have it as a question how far you are justified in g iving the advantage as aga i nst f ree l a b our in the West Indies. Therefore, whatever the immediate advantage cf it-may he, I fear that legislation which contem plates that the West Indies alone should furnish the whole of this production. The Noble Lord ( Sandon) has proposed, is static g his objections to this measure, that this state is not the wish of thi s merit bo adopted—That it Hou se to say thet this country ought to admit for e i gn sugar. He do e s not say that slave-labour is to be prolti bitel, or that the productions o! it arc never to be inintro deset into thi s coun try ; but he says, ~ That, considering the efforts and sacrifices which Parliament and the county have made for the abolition of the slave trade and slaver,, with the earnest hope that their exertion and ex amples might lead to its mitigation and final extinction in other countries, this House is not prepared, especially with the present prospects of the supply of sugar from the British p os essions."—(Ministerial cheers.) Now, I could well understand though I think it is a mistaken feeli: g—l could welt understand that scruple of con science which induces a man, who has a horror of slave -brown articles, to say I wi.l not consume slave grown sugar—let it be for ever prohibited—let us, whatever may be its price, take free-grown sugar. But the Noble Lord m a no such thing.—( Ministerial chee s.) He says, " With the pri sent prospect of the supply of sugar from the British possessiJns " this House is not prepar, dto do—win t? Why, to adopt the rrca,u, oaf ler Nljesty's Guverninent.—( C;beers. ) Now I can undo's-Antid that perfectly well. The resolution I s the Noble Lord pclfietly ope n to say, ~ W it h a di m i. prospect of supply—seeing m y hop es are frustrated, ( and that I was mistaken about that colonial supply, I now ' prcprise some mea-urn which is cot the measure of her silsje.ts'a Government. It is the measure of a Govern rocnt gone by, and which we repeatedly defeated upon that questiot. Now that there is not such a good pros. pect, we will admit slavr.grown sugar.—( Ministerial cheers.) There is not a word in the resolution of the 7th May, 1841, which would prevent our adopt ing this new measure, with other prospects more favourable." The Noble Lord's resolution may be, indeed, a right one for him to move, but a resolution prohibiting the introduction of slave -grown sugar, would be a very dif ferent one. This resolution is one which, I say, Sir, is totally unfit to be proposed before you leave the chair, and which the Howe, with regard to the former part of the resolution, that we are to consider " the efforts and sacri fices which the Parliament and the country made for the abolition of slavery, in the hope that they might lead to the total extinction of those evils in r other countries." Does that mean that whatever may be- to consume nothing but what was the produce of come of our produce, we are prepared torefuse the produce free labour, although it had pleased the Noble Lord to of colonies wher e slavery exitts ? If that is the case, what do represent him as adopting that proposition, nor was he you say to the various other articles which are the produce aware that among the Society of Friends, or by the most cf slavery ? I believe tobacco and cotton, and other ar- ardent supporters of the cause of abolition of slavery, was boles, may be objected to on that ground. This is a any such doctrine maintained. The principle of his prc que;tion which the pctitiorers from Bath justly stated may position was, were they, by what they were about to do, be looked on not only as a commercial or financial one, but likely to give encouragement to the slave trade and to as a national one, relating to the practicability of abolish- slavery, and were they compelled to do so by the neces- Mg slavery in every part of the globe. Brazil coffee, shies of the country? He would unhesitatingly say that which is the produce of slavery, was introduced they were not so compelled, and he would contend that by a remarkable evasion into this country last year. without some such pressing necessity it was decidedly Now, what is the history of this? We have learned that wrong to give any such increased stimulus to the slave trade. the history of it is that this coffee is the produce of slave Was there any crying necessity for it in the present pro labour. Now, does the Right Hon. Gentleman propose spects of the country with regard to sugar? Was the prospect that we shall on a future day levy the high duty of Is. 3d. of starvation, if he might be allowed the expression, of upon coffee ? Does he mean to prohibit the people of this sugar, so overwhelming as to compel them to sacrifice the country from consuming that coffee ?—( Hear.) I can great experiment which they were making. The Noble hardly think he can intend that; now, cm it be contended Lord had mentioned the date when he. had made up his that this slave grown coffee in its passage to the Cape of mind to support the proposition ; he had stated that he Good Hope, can be so filtered as to be fit for use ? had so made up his mind some two or three months back. If you are pursuing this course with respect to coffse, and Now, if the Noble Lord would look, he would see that will not adept it with regard to sugar, where is your case the prices were different now, and all the circumstances of humanity ?—( Hear, hear.) Who is the philanthropi s t of the ca'e were at the present moment perfectly dif_ that will tell me that he can have a cup of hot good slave- fet eat from what they were at that time. The Noble grown coffee, and that by putting a lump cf free labour Lord had spoken with great contempt of ail associations, sugar in it—( He a r, h ear , an d l aug ht er ) — h e t h ere b y an d h a d state d t h at h e was supported b y no asscciatiom makes the whole potation innoxious, and that no person, but stood up to support the righ.s of the great body of whatever may he his regard for the negrcea, or however he thelpeople. There was, however, one great body or associa may value a black face as much as a white one, can be tion whose aid the Noble Lord might reckon to carry out exposed to arty reproach for havisg consumed it ? But I another of his propositions, who were among his most must refer to one other instance, the instance of sugar influential supporters, and whose assistance he supposed itself. You have great refiners in this country, who buy wield not be repudiated.—( Cheers.) Now, was the sugar to a great extent and invest capital to a large prospect cf starvation in sugar such as to compel them to amount in the refining of sugar to be sent to foreign adopt the proposition of the Chancellor of the Exchequer? countries. How do you justify yourself in being the go- At the end of zhe last year they had 35,000 tons on hand, between in that case ? ( Hear, hear.) But there is still and if they only allowed 5,000 tons as the increase upon a stronger case than that, because it appears that the the supply from the West Indies last year, they would planters of the West Indies send out from this country to have 115.000 tons of sugar from that source alone. From be consumed in the West Indies the very sugar which is the Mauritius, since the commencement of the present refined in this country, and which is the product of these yc at, there had Lean already shipped 20,000 tone, and very slaves. Why do you not alter that ? ( Here Lord there were 20,000 tons more in the island waiting for Sandon made some observation across the table). The shipment at the present moment. From the East Indies Noble Lord means to tt le that. Let him stop likewise there had already been shipped for this country, 50,000 the coffee which goes to the Cape of Good Hope. Let tons of the last year's crop, and 20,000 or 30,000 more him stop the various other things which are sent from slave tons might be reasonably expected from the same source. colonies. Let him interrupt and vex our trade and c o mmerce, If all these were added up together it would be found, not and I defy him to keep up the character of this country by any vague estimate, but as the result of accurate cal as a great commercial nation ; much less will it be con- culaiion, that the supply during the present )ear would sistent with humanity to our distressed artisans.--( Hear.) amount to 260,000 tons, being more by 60,000 tons Well, then, Sir, I come to the conclusion—a conclusion to than the annual consumption of the country had ever which I think most of the world will come—that this re- amounted to. Where then was the crying necessity, solution, well as it sounds, philanthropical as it must ap- where were the extraordinary circumstances, calling upon pear, is in effect nothing but a party movement—nothing them, for the sake of the weavers of Bolton, to give up every but a motion made to embarrass the management of the chance of the success of the experiment which had been car finances of the country. Besides, those who were inter- ried on with so much anxiety, and in which we had expended etted in the productions of the West Indies, it has been so much treasure and so much blood, of raising tropical attempted to enlist against the Government those who en- productions by free labour ? Would the Noble Lord, or the tertain a feeling of abhorrence to slavery. But if we Chancellor of the Exchequer, or the President of the are to consider that as a party question, I am obliged to Board of Trade say that the proposed measure would be put another to the House, and that is, where is the party no encouragement to the slave-trade in foreign countries ? that has been ever anxious and foremost to assist the abo- Why one of the reasons given for bringing forward the liticitists ?—( Cheers.) I have been looking to the records measure was, that it would be a boon to the Brazils. It of speeches made on this subject, and I find—not the was said the treaty with that country would soon expire, Noble Lord the Member tin. Liverpool, but the predeces- and could not be renewed without making them some ad sor of the Noble Lord (Colonel Dalton), boasting of vantageous offer. Now, was this offer a mere mockery, the number of ships and men that were employed pretending to be an advantage, when in reality it was none by persons in Liverpool in carryin g o n th e at all ?—( Hear.) Was it an advantage or was it not ? slave trade between the coast of Africa and the West And in whatever degree it wan an advantage , it was an Indies. Why, Sir, th roug h t h e o pp os i t i on c f Li ver- a d vantage to a s l ave i mport i ng country to the detriment of pool and other places, in spite of the eloquence of Mr. our own colonies.—( Loud cheers.) He could not Pitt, who was deserted—as we have been on various oc. treat, with the levity displayed by the Noble Lord, the casions—when be was more liberal than his colleagues— hope that we might be able to rear in the West Indian (Hear, hear)—in spite cf his eloquence, the slave trade colonies a sugar growing population. The Noble Lord was continued until the Whip, in 1806 and 1807, put an seemed to consider it a matter of slight importance, whe. end to the abhorred and cruel traffic. Some attempts, in- thee those colonies grew a staple export at all. He had deed, were made by a Tory Government to mitigate the talked of the dangers of giving the East Indies a mono flogging of the slaves in the West Indies, but it was not poly, but be (Lord Sandon) could not give up the hope nil Earl Grey was at the head of the Government that of seeing an ample supply of sugar from our West Indian slavery was finally abed shed.—( Cheers.) Sir, if we colonies, the produce of free labour—(Cheers)—and he have made these efforts, and if I find an absence on the knew that was a feeling shared in by many who took a trier side of any real and effectual efforts of tais kind— great inteteat in the question, and elm were political sup when I see those who never did anything as a Government porters, not of himself and his friends, but of the Noble for the abolition of the slave trade. or for the abolition of Lord. He held in his hand a volume by Mr. Gurney, slavery, come forward with a resolution cf this kind, I say it one of the most eminent of that party, in which that is for some party purpose, with an affectation of hu- gentleman stated, that in addressing our black brethren manity, for whi.h their past conduct does not entitle them who flecked uround him, he had stated to them how to credit. I believe I have now stated the principal grounds gre dly the cause of emancipation would be forwarded in silly the resolutions of the Noble Lord opposire should other parts of the world by their labouring contentedly to nut be adopted by the House. There are various other produce the staple product of the soil. Mr. Gurney was questions which would remain, even if the House went into actuated in giving that advice by the same feeling which Committee. We hate thought it r.ec:ssary to propose to had aetuateo him ( Lord Sandon) in proposing his rese give a protection of 50 pi r teen, and of course all the luting. It was not a resolution brought forward for the details we are aware would heopea fur discussion. With purposes of party—(Cheers)—and he appealed to his own regard to the effect of the proposed reducrion of the duty on friends to say it the resolution had not been his own dim colonial sugar,tirough Ida not antieinateso greaten increase tinct proposition, and if he had not urged its support upon es my Reeht lion. Friend has stated, yet, as there is no them on the same grounds on which he now urged it upon article %%Inch mere aff eta the comfort and welfare cf the the House, namely, the mortification with which he should working classes, so I think there is none in which at the see a stop put to the great experiment now in progress, pretext time it is more ads isable to make a reduction, in merely because the country had happened temporality to the hope that there will be a very considerable increase suffer from the high price of sugar. After the Noble in the number of consumers. There are other questions Lord had real the account of the contentment and the pros concerning the then state of our relations with the perity of cur blsek brethren in the West Incies he wondered Brszls. By adopting the proposed measures an op- how tha Noble Lord could have the heart to take measures portunity will b! afforded to us of learning how to destroy those prospects. If they considered the question the Brazilian Government are disposed, and also, upon purely as a mercantile question he would admit that the what grounds to renew the commercial treaty. We shall protection was higher than was required.—(Cheers.) But be in a situation then, I think, to urge upon that Govern- he could not consider it as a purely mercantile question— ment tire danger in which that Government, and every tire question of sugar was one by itself—it was one which other G vcrnmen', must be placed which has a large pop._ had been set apart for.a great experiment. The eyes of latior, consisting chiefly of slaves; or shall hove an op- Europe and of America were fixed on it, and on the peels. portunity of pointing out to them not only the ruoral mis- glary results of that experiment would depend the future chief—not only the guilt cf slavery and the slava trade, prospects and destiny of the negro population ali over the but how, by another and by a difference of conduct, their corn world. If, under the pressure of temporary circumstances, rnerctal and agricultural prosperity might be advanced, and we should throw this great experiment overboard, we their relations with this country would be made perma- should stultify ourselves in the eyes of Europe, and give nent and secure. But if 3ou adopt the resolution of the up all moral feeling on the subject.—( No !no !) He Noble Lord, what will be the result? Will they at once was told that they would not he stultifying themselves renounce slavery ? Will they become philanthropists ? but that was the statement made by an ardent supporter (Hear, hear.) Will they not sell their sugar? At', sell of the Noble Lord and his Government, by a gentleman, it they c in, and sell it they will to other nations. The Eng- who had, he was happy to say, been recently defeated at dish merchants who deal with those of Braz 1, have stated Nottingham—Mr. Larpent. He had, when examined that there are many articles which will go from Germany ; before the Committee on East India affairs last year, urged that printed goods will go front Switzerland ; that hardware the necessity of admitting all the productions of the East may be sent to Brazil in excha ige for sugar —sugar, the lediss at the same amount of duty as the produce of the produce of slave labour, of which they would have the ad- West Indies, because if they did not they would have a vantage, instead of other nations.—( Hear, hear.) I know claim for the introduction of the productions of Brazil and not in chat way other Hon. Gentlemen may view this mo. Cuba, and would stultify themselves by giving encourage. Lion ; but I own it does not appear to me that anything is ment to slave labour and to slavery. The mural effect of gained to the world cr to the negreee of Africa, or the thus yielding at the first moment of temporary pros. slaves of the Brazils, if they are told, " Ti:is sugar you sure would he to produce a general panic among are making is not to go into the hands of the Europ e a n all those engaged in the cultivetion of free labour sugar, shopkeeper and the European artizan ; you may be im. who would imagine that on a further pressure the House ported, you may be wcrked, you may be floggea to death, would be inclined to go further still, aid for the sake of with this consolation, that to Germany and to Switzerland else Ter sugar would put them on a perfect equality with will go all the products of your labour."—.(Laughter.) slave-growing countries. He could not see how those Ido not understand what is gained to the negro by that who entertained these eentiments could expose themselves argument, and )et such is th e argument when is used. to the charge of hypocrisy to which the Noble Lord had I own, as I stated at the commencement of my address, alluded. Those feelings were not confined to himself or that Ido regard this as a motion of very great importance. his supporters in that House, but were entertained by 1 believe, nut only with renard to the Brazils and the many who on other questions were firm supporters of United Sta'ea, but with regard to the Continent of Es'- the Noble Lord, and who would doubtlessly regret ex rope, the example which you are about to give still b e o f ceedingly if anything should occur which should force the utmost consequence. If' they see that this great corp. him to Nei e from the Government; but who, neverthe mereial country has come to the opinion that restriction and less, on this question felt themselves bound to overlook prohibition are the best maxims of commercial policy, they all mere party con,itierations. The Anti-Slavery Society will quote that example to themselves, their manufa c tu rers had felt themselves compelled to express their apprehen ell quote it to their Governmeats, and restriction and aloes on the subject. Looking upon it as a mere &an - prohibition will le the rule in all our intercourse with cial question, he could not see how the Chancellor of those countriee—( Hear, I ear. ) !slaty, is that for ycur the Exchequer proposed to make good his deficiency from advantage ? Is it for the advantage of 'he world? ! na y tail source. He proposed to raise 700,0001., but Low It for your advantage it certainly is not, for, as a great cern- was to be raised be could not make out.—( Cheers ) As mercial and manufacturing nation, you ought to look: to the proposition originally stood, it appeared to hint to be the eVension el that commerce and those manu_ simply a measure for giving a boon to Cuba sugar—to the fectures.—( Hear, hear, hear.) Is it for the berefi,. of sugar of the country which, in the most undisguised manner, tee world? It is nor, because I believe that the cariie.l on the slave-trade, and which had profited moat more free end unrestricted is the intercourse between na- ewe ely by the eleficiericy of supply occasioned by the great tier's, the mo r e they arc mingled together by the ties of experiment now carryieg on in our own colonien He sup e :cc and commerce, toe more you ear y, with your posed the Chancellor of the Exchequer had been mace be et of goods arid your cases of hardware, the general aware of this, and in consequence le hat come down wit) knowledge, the general maxims, the civilization, the his present proposition, making a difference of 6?. between arts, winch Issloeg to a nation as stand is the the Brazil sugar and the fine sugar of Cuba. Now the taunt rank for those qualities.—( Hear, hear.) You mu s t wire of the Cuba sugar at Harnburgh, which was a per obsei ve that though you n etv sta n d in so proud and cirri- fecly free Fort, %lea fawn 275. 7d. to 38.5. si. per neat a pos time your giving a pernicious example in th's cwt. ; of the best Brazil, 213. Id. to 255. Id. ; reap c:, while it may be some disadvantage to them, eell s r teat there was a difference of 17e. 5c1., which the finally be of the utmost disadvantage to you. We du rot Goverumwit proposed to meet by making a difference in the stand like Rome as the conquerors of the world. duty of merely 6s. Java sugar was 135., and " Rome! it was thine alone, with awful sway, Mantilla sugar, 155., so that it was clear that instead of To rule mankind, and make the world obey, being really a boon to the Brazilian sugar it was, in fact, Disposing peace and war thine own majestic way." a boon to the sugar of Cuba, the country where there was You are, on the continrr, one among several nations of great the least possible hope of obtaining any mitigation of with institUtioes sonic of them as free as your slavery ;so that, in fact, it was a boon to slavery in its own, many of them bong advanced to great prosperity, worst form. He hoped mid believed that such was not the end now compett irs and rivals with you in all the arts of intention of her Majesty's Government, but such must ne- petce, and in all the productions of commerce. Give them a right example, and you will still sand I should say not only equal with them, but in the foremost rank. —( Hear, beer.) Take the contrary course, and say that now is the day in which you have resolved upon restriction and prohibition, tell them that your merchants of the ti West Indies, and of the East Indies, that your timber merchants of North America, that the landowners of your own sei l , have placed monopoly upon their standard ; that under that standard they are to march, that by that standard they w ill a bid e. Y ou will have the example rapidly spreading —you will have that example, before long, confirmed—and when you wish to retrace your steps the lesson which you will base taught may ba t:o well im parted for it ever to be unlearned.--( Hear, hear.) H av i ng these views of the state of this country, having these view; of our relations with our own colonies, and with other countries of the globe, it was our bounden duty to state them to the House ; our bounden duty, as we have given our advice to our Sovereign, to produce the result of that advice before this House, and to la this House de termine thereupon. If you shall adopt the plan that we shall proposo we look confidently for ward to an era of prcsperity for this country ; if you do not adopt it, upon this House will be the respon sibility of having rejected those measures. We have dis charged the only duiy that was incumbent upon us, that of not having concealed our opinions, and of having done our best for the service of our country. ((The Noble Lord concluded amidst loud and long continued cheei ing ) Lord SANDON said he did not feel that he was called upon to enter into that wide &Id of discussion in which the Noble Lord hid indulAe.l. Ile believed it was an entirely new proceeding in that House, that when the Chancellor of the Exchequer came down with a distinct pro poa -Ifni and when notice had been g i ven o f an amend.. mcnt upon that proposition, that another Member of the Government should give notice of an amendment upon that motion. It was not ti c usual practice thus to secure a mode of retreating from the field of bet le. But he (Lord Sanders) would confibe himself st , ictly to the sub ject before the House. They were called upon that night to consider apropos al for certain reductions in foreign sugar. They had heard a good deal of declamationbaenthrown tfhromwtaheawNaoyb_le Lord, which he would not say had ( Cheers from the Ministerial benches)—because it bad afforded considerable a mnsement—(Cheers)—but which had nothing whatever to do with his (Lord Sandon's) proposition. The proposition which he had laid on the table of the House, and which he believed would obtain the sanction of the maj rity the proposition of the of that House, was rim-ply this : -_Did they consider that Chan cellor o f t h e Exchequer would give to the slave tra d e , an d compelled slave trading to do h trading co t un a t t rie b s v , an n advantage ; and were we ration of th e wants of the country P enig H n e c d od did not assume the position that this country. was bound cesswily be the result of the proposition. Nothing but the tine sugar of Cuba could enter under the Government proposition ; and with regard to Brezil sugar, he believed it would not come is et all.—(hear, hear.) He supposed the Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exche quer expected an increased consumption from a decrease in price. But what was the diffe once in price to be ? The whole difference in price calculated upon was only Is. 6d. per cwt. ; for that they were going to unsettle all their relations with the East and the West Indies ; this 112th part of Is. 6d. was what was to cur© all the mise ries, so graphically depicted by the Noble Lord, of the poor weavers of Bolton—(Hear, hear)—that small free tion of a reduction was to make all the difference in the comfort and happiness of the pour of this country. lie had to beg pardon of the House for the discursive nature of his speech, bet some indulgence was due to him ; when his own speech bed been taken from him, when he had been forestalled by the Noble Lord—( Hear, hear).— it of course ro.dered him rather more desultory than he otherwise would have been. Now what were our exports to our East and West India Colonies which would he shaken and put in jeopardy by this measure ? The duty on East India Sugar was assimilated with the produce of th e West Indies in 1836, The exports of British goods to the East Indies in 1837 was 3,600,000/. In 1838 3 ,870,0001. In 1839, 4,740,000/. The accounts for 1840 were not yet laid on the table of the House, but he knew that the exports from Liverpool alone were 4, 336,000/., nearly as much as from the whole country in the previous year. Such bad been the rapid increase of our exports since the admission of East India sugar upor, an equality with the West Indian. What had teen the results in the West Indies? I n 1837 our exports were 4,036,000/, in 1838 3,393,000/, its 1839 3 .986.000 i. to our emancipated West India colonies. From those re turns he might deduce the advantage to our manufacturers generally in dealing with free men. In dealing with slaves they supplied the very lowest quality of goods. In our own colonies, as soon as the slaves were set free they exercised their own fancy in dress, and so far from taking as before only the simplest classes of our manufactures, they were now taking all kinds of fancy goods for the gratification of their own tastes, thereby giving more the t extensive employment t o t h e manufacturers an d ar n thisvaluceounotfry the . Nowhe wou ld ask trade they were rifkiirg by the proj ec t o f t h e Ri g h t Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer? It was considerably more t h an 9,000,0001. whatiza s was of The trade which they were favouring was no doubt valu able, but it did not amount to more than 2,600,0001., and when set in opposition to that of the East and West Indies was n mere nothing. True, he would be told, as he had been told by his Braziliao friends, that the exports were greatly underrated in the official returns. Probably they aught. But was this any reason to suppose that the returns to the East and West Indies were anythitS TH E SUN, ,LONDON, SATURDAY, MAY 8, 1841. more accurate ?—(Hear.) The manufacturing interests so that while our population had increased, we had not was dealing lightly with their lest interests, when for the increased our trade in the same proportion. It was neces fsvour of one small market they were shaking the whole sary, therefore, that our whole commercial policy should of the East and West India trade. Commercially he did be brought before the House, not as a mere party gees not think that any case had been made out for such a tion, but as a question of State policy, on which each rcessure. The President of the Board of Trade might party might state their principle, and show the country leek forward with apprehension to the time when he to decide between them.—( Hear, ) As to the would he called upon to complete a treaty with the Bra- point of increasing the sieve trade, he knew tliat the West z la. But b e c a use we were to ta k e a small qusr.tity of Indies hal been ruined every 'ear f or t h e last fifty years. their sugar—say 10,000 t ons at most—the Brazilians Ie 1798 it was stated that nothing could save the plan would c om pel themselves to take a great quantity of ter but the high price of sugar, and now that slavery was our manuf a ctures. They did not take them now b ecause abolished, they made the same complaint, asked to vie took their sugars or their cottons, but because they be efferded protection; and that the people of this liked them. A great and a fine-sounding argument used country might be taxed for that purpose. When he found against the West Indian inte!est, was their importing slave the same complairits preferred at all times, he was in• grown sugar in a refined state for their own use.— duced to think they were concerned for something else (Cheers.) It was a very fine argument, but in effect the besides slavery and the slave trade.—( Hear, hear.) He West Indians had nothing whatever to do with it. It en- i believed that distress would continue so long as these tirely lay at the door of their agents, the refiners, and the protective duties should exist. The free trade enjoyed general merchants. How that teas to impl'cite the bur- 'in the British possessions in India had been the founds maeity of the West India interest, be could not con- i tion of their prosperity. In cotton, sugar, and indigo, ceive. They had not the slightest connexion eirh it.— i the unprotected trade of the East Indies had enabled them ([lsar.) If ee had succeeded in showing that financially to compete with slavery and the slave trade in the Weq no case had been made out tor such a change, that comm r- led c 3. Ile asserted the proposition most distinctly, .that clay the: e was no inducement to take this step, if be had free labour, under all circumstances, was more productive sun ceeded is showing that, for the interests of the con- than slave labour. This was remarkably proved at, tho sumer, there was no inducement to adopt the measure, a nd island of Porto Rico, which was naturally divide/ thet necessarily they, without any temptation in any of into two portions one cultivated by slave, and the other these ways, would damage the interests of the by free labour. In promoting the reduction of the sugar country, and the success of teat great experiment duties, he believed he was taking that course which was of free l a bour which they held undertaken so most likely to promote the permanent interests cf the nobly, and in which they still hoped to succeed—if he West lattice and to enable them to compete with slave hid made out those positions, he trusted . produce. The lion. Member for the Tower Hamlets that the sense of the House would be in favour of his (Dr. Lushington) had taken another position, namely, amendment, which was—" That, considering the efforts I that slavery ea; against the laws of God, and that, there and sacrifices which Parliament and the country have made fore, he would do nothing directly or indirectly to en for the abolition of the slave trade and slavery, with the courage it. If the lion. Gentleman legislated on such earnest hope that their * exertions and example might lead principles as that, he would do soon the princieles by wide') to the mitigation and final extinc irn of those evils in other every bigot supported every act of intolerance that was ever countries, this House is not prepared (especially with the promulgated. Where was suck a principle to stop? How were present pros.peets of the supply of sugar from British pas- they to exclude al slave-grown produce? Why he would sessions) to adopt the measure proposed by her Majesty's venture to say th..t his lion. Friend had his pocket full of Gevernment for the reducti in of the duty on foreign slave-grown produce at that moment. His snuff-box was sugar." full of slave-grown produce. Probably, also, he Mr. HOGG was aware that the amendment went wore a cotton shirt.—(Hear, and loud laughter.) fumeser than merely to contradict the motion of the If he understood the Noble Lord who brought forward the Chancellor of the Exchequer, hut still he thought it was measure he was opp o sed to the introduction of stave the only way i n which that motion could be tree.—(Hear, grown subs. He believed the opposition of many Hon. hear.) The Noble Lord opposite (Lord J. Russell) had Members te the proposition was from an unwillingness to said that th e Opp o sition approved of the foreign policy of encourage slavery and slave-labour, but he did not think the Gov e rnm en t, and especially in regard to China. It the plan of the Government would have any such effect. was quite true that the Opposition made no objection to It had been said that a reduction of the price of sugar the expenditure which had been incurred in the war with would not increase its consumption. He did not expect that power. But at the same time they were far from to have heard such an argument in that House. In 1831 approving of the policy which rendered the expenditure or- the average price of sugar was 235. 6d. ; the population cessary.—(Cheers from the Tory beeches.) He considered was then estimated at 20,000,000, arid the revenue the present the most inopportune time that could be chosea amounted to 4,630,0001. ; web iu 18.10 the price was for a reduction cf the duties upon foreign and slave-groan 48e. 6d., and although the population had increased to sugar.—( Cheers.) On the faith of the measure (for 24,000 000 the revenue amounted only to 4,449,000/. which the East Indians were grateful to the Govern- Nothing could more clearly point out the injurious effects meat) a vast amount of capital had been embarked in the of a high price of one of the necessaries of life than that cultivation of the sugar cane in the East Indies.—(Hear, statement. It was said that this was a large proposition hear.) The Brazilian merchants themselves asked only to be brought in by a tottering Ministry; but he would for a duty of 365., and men generally asked for more than say that the opposition with which it had been met was of they expected-4 Hear, hear. and a laugh)—but the Chan. the most ominous character. It was of great importance cellar of the Exchequer now proposed to give them ex- to be able to supply a falling revenue without bay rctly what they wished, in its very ex reme.---(Hear, ing recourse to any new taxes.—(Cries of " Hear.") he rr.) Ile was sati s fi e d that if this measure were It was stated in evidence before a Parliamentary Corn. adopted the country would be inundated with mi!tee that in consequence of the present high price of sugar, the produce of slave-holding countries, to the ex- sugar there were manufactories established in various parts elusion of our own colonies in the East and the West.-- of London for the purpose of adulterating the article, and (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) The extent to which the the coffee-house keepers had stated that unless the price produce of those countries might be increased would he of sugar and coffee was reduced, they would not be able to understood from the fact that Cuba, which twenty years carry on their business any longer.--( Hear, hear.) He ago imported s ugar , now su pplied three-fourths of the would read an extract from a letter which he had. sugar consumed in the w hole world. The Hon. Member lately received from .Moscow, in order to show the House then read sorneParliamentary returns to show that the con- what the result of protective duties bad been in that part of sumption ofsugar was not diminished by the increase of price. the world. It appeared from it that failures were frequent, By the introduction of foreign sugar Cuba and the Brazils and that the great bulk of the capital employed in manu would gain most, and our own country would be the chief factures had been irretrievably lost, notwienstandirg the sufferer. The Hon. Gentleman here read extracts from protective duties that had been imposed upon foreign menu tee official returns, t o show that from the year 1830 to factures.---( Hear, hear.) They were at present negetiat -1838 the exports to the East and West I n di es went on in- ing with the United States, and unless they were disposed creasing progressively, and that the exports to the Brazils to make liberal and timely concessions, they could not ex were equal in amount to the exports to the West and East peet to have the markets of the United States opened for Indies put together. M r . flawkshaw, in his evidence be- their produce.—( Hear.) He would ray that whatever fore the Import D u tie s ' C om mittee, stated that at Felmouth might be the result of the present discussion in that House, there were 250 tens o f f ore i g n sugar, and if he was allowed the speech of the Noble Lord (J. Russell) would produce to lend that sugar, payi ng the same duty as upon English a powerful effect out of dours.—(Cheers.) The Noble colonial sugar, the consumer would have sugar 365. per Lord had proposed to meet their financial embarrassments cwt. cheaper; and y e t the men who admitted that there without laying ell any new taxes, and he had been met would be such et remunerating prix e, demanded that on the very threshold by the opposition of Hon. Members such an alteration as that proposed should be opposite. He should conclude by tendering his warmest made. Mr. M'Qucan stated before the same support to the proposition of the Noble Lord, who had Committee that one fertile acre of land i n th e Brazils done more by his present measure to obtain the support of would produce as much sugar as six cures in the West the country generally than by any act of his long public Wi:h such facts before them were they going to and usetul lif .—( Hear, hear.) agree to the proposed alteration. The recommendation Mr. HANDLEY said the proposition with which the of the above-named Committee was worthy of being a t- Noble Lord had come down that night on the subject of tended to—it was that the alteration in sugar duties the Corn-laws, bid fee. to exceed the most sanguine ex should be gradual ; that some notice should be given of pectations of tee Anti-Corn-law League.—(ilear, hear.) the alterations intended to he made. The Right Hon. He on the part of his constituents would say, that he Merntu r the Chancellor of the Exchequer, when intro- would much rather have no protection at all than the pi-e -ducing a Bill on the equalization of the duties on sugar, trot ion which the Noble Lord was about to offer them. admitted the fairness of notice being given. Mr. Spring lie would rather see the p or t s th rown open at once, and Rice said in the discussi on w hi c h t oo k p l ace OD t h e su b - the Custom-houses shut up. He had on many occasions ject two years ago, that it would be a base fraud on the given his support to her Majesty's Government, and should people of the West Indies to admit one ounce of do so again, but with regard to the Corn-laws he should foreign-grown sugar, meaning by that term, sugar be wanting in his duty to his constituents and the ecuntry grown in the subsidiary possessions of the East if he did not give the measure his most decided opposi- Indies. Whatever benefit should be derived to ton, although he hoped the opportunity would never be the revenue, it was clear that 700 000/. would not be afforded him of voting against the measure.—' Hear.) gained, except by introducing such a quantity of sugar at M. - . JAMES had been highly delighted with the noble 365. per cwt. as would dislodge the British grown sugar, and statesmanlike speech of the Noble Lord (J. Russell), and in that case the duty must amount to an enormous sum. and although he was himself a large West India proprietor, The lion. Gentleman said, in the present state of affairs the Noble Lord opposite ( Sandon) need not calculate upon the alteration proposed was necessary, but he did not say his vote.—(Cheers.) lie never permitted his private M in the present state of what affairs—whether comirrescisl, terests to ieterfere with his public duty, and where the ire financial or political affairs ?—( Opposition cheers.) The terests and comforts of the home population Here so Noble Lord pointed the at:ehtion of the House to the deeply involved, he , should decidedly give them a prefer present satisfactory state of the free labourer ie the West once over the biack population of the col rnies.—( Cheers. 1 Indies, but he did n o t advert to the position of the planter. Sir S. LUSHINGTON felt it his duty to make some The improved state of the labourer arose from hit being observations to the House, on the question then before at le to exact what wages he chose from the plan- them ; and, undoubtedly he should have felt that ohli4e ter, who was endeavouring to concur in the plans of the tion even it' his Hon. Friend the Member for Lambeth, Legislature f u r introducing free labour. Was it, then, had not taken upon himself the unusual coarse of fore st the present momen t, and in such a state of things. stalling the opiniansot a Member, before he bed expressed het the measure pr o posed tia; to he enacted, and all the therm putting them in his own language, and directing prospects hitherto indulged in de,trot ed ?—( Opposition against them a ridicule to which he had been accustomed Cheers.) He would ask what would be the state of the for twenty years, without having ever felt himse.f in the negro in a few years under the operation of that measure slightest degree injured either in his own opinion or that should it pass? Would any proprietor in the West Indies of others. With respect to the course which he meant bane conse n ted to the sacrifices he bad made could behave to pursue, if his Hon. Friend had stated that he foreseen that such a measure would be proposed ? t had ever been the determined enemy of slavery under The East Indies would not, in his opinion, be so badly whatever form it appeared, and in whatever quarter off under the operation of this Biil as the West Indies of the world ic had led to the murder and bloodshed would he. He was no advocate for restrictions in trade, of thousands of our fellow -creatures, —if his Hon. except where ca ll e d for by the necessities of the case. The Friend meant to say that he had ever expressed his A lion. Gentleman here proceeded to read an extract from horrence of these practices, and he had declared his opi_ Mr. Labo uc h e re, the substance of which was that that Mon that they were contrary to the laws of God and man, Right Hon. Gentleman could not, on account of existing he should confess that he would still stand by such opi tread, s, a d m it o f the distinction sought to be made be- nions, and in doing so, he claimed for himself what he felt twr en free-lab o ur and slave-grown sugar, so that the latter to be an honour, and not a subject of ridicule.—( Hear, might, be totally excluded- They might, he said, look to hear.) But his Hon. Friend asked what right they had ti e East Indi es for a cheap supply of free-labour sugar, to proclaim their virtuous opinions to other States, and to but the exp e riment then made, and which tie country pass Acts for Spain, the Brazils, or other countries, who had a r i g ht t o sea fairly carried out, would not be so if chose to take upon themselves to carry on those dread. they were to inundate the market with a supply of fo- ful practices? What right had they? 'Why, they had reign sugar. Tne opinions and fears which he (Mr. declared amtheneitr in sentiments th e ye,r o i n Bo t 7 h , e subje ct t b h y e Act C a o n ngre ss limeg) entertained on this subject were not reer ely his; they of and at we,e also en t er t a i n ed and communicated to her Majesty's of 1815 they had the declaration of all the great Government by the Directors of the East India Con; party. States in Europe, that the slave trade was contrary to hu. Supposing all the cdcuiadoes that he lad made were LID- maeity and justice—to the cause of God and man.— true—th a t the supply of sugar would nut equal the con- ( Hear, hear.) Why, they had treaties with eve r > one o f samption—would the House, on that account, consent to the great Powers on the subject; they had treaties, too, ached a m ea sur e which amounted virtually to a reveal o f with Cuba and the Brazils. They had a right, then, to the preat and glorious measure of emencipation?—( flehr, assert their principles, and that would not be acting with hear ) If th e y did regret th e vas t e ff or t s th e y but intolerance. It would be admitted that every country had made for the suppression of that horrible traffic, a right to denounce that which, in the opinion of Europe, let them boldly arid openly return to the system. Let was criminal, wicked, and iniquitous. He was aware them permit the West latFahs to import slaves, let them that in approaching the present discussion, they must proclaim that the the o ries o f political economy were p a . take into consideration many great and important tnibics rimount to th e dictates wf humanity.—( Cheers.) W as involving almost the state of the whole country. He ea , it to be endu re d i n a Christian, nay, e„ a d e hib e . well aware of our financial and commercial diffieul ies, naive assembly, that afar 20,000,000/., arid more than and that the time might be coming when they would have 20 000,000/. a b roa d, had b een expended to p u t d own many embarrassments in forming treaties on comaier. ry and th e s l ave t ra d e , t h ey shou ld b e ca ll e d u p on cial subjects with other countries; be forgot none of those to adept a m e asu re which w o uld give increased v i gour things—he laid them not out of his consideration; bat to that inhuman traffic becau e sugar was Id. per lb. speaking of one measure, and one measure only, prepared dearer, and because her Majesty's Ministers were r e _ by her Majesty's Government, he was prepared to say that solved to continue in effice?—( Cheers.) He thou g ht that measure would not remove any difficuities—woutd net iu weatever view the Noble Lord might endeavour relieve the country from' any embarrassments., while it to place the question, the House would not consent would lower teen) in the face of Europe, and would degrade that a totteri ng Mi n istry, instead o f t re ating the grea t them in their own opinions, and would not receive the approval timetems of the Chre-laws and sl a ve e y on p r i nci pl es of the suffering people of this country.—( Hear, hear.) of national policy and justice should be permitted, fir lie find ever been a friend to free trade—lre bad ever purpose; which they did not and dar e d n o r avow , voted for an alteration of the Corer-laes, and he maintained to handle them as mere ma tars of finaecial opinions still.. Ile had washed for an alteration of (Hear, hear.) They a'l knew the Noble Lord was a bold the timber dotes, and his opinion remained unchanged rolilic;an, and being successful he might imagice he was a He is rd ale a ; s voted against every measure which could rigleesus one; but perhaps the Noble Lord might find poss•bly increase the slave trade, sr give it fresh segour, that there were limits to the forbearance of the country, or augment the measure of slavery, or perpetuate its con and to the countenance of those around him. Perhaps the tinuance ; he lied done so last year, and he would be Noble Lord might find that what he (Mr. Hogg) had ready to do so still. If any persons had changed their adva n ced was tr ot untrue. If this was a mere party ques. oTieians, he had nut changed one iota of those he had ca tion, perhaps the Ministry might escape, as they had done, pressed on the motion of his lion. Friend, the Member for with a majority against them of ten or twenty, Wigen last year. and he saw no reason to change them now. but being a question involving the existence of It was then declared by an immense majority of the House our colonies—being a question involving the principles against a minority of 27, that it was not fit or proper of humanity and the pr..erlts of the Gospel, he believed to reduce the duty on foreign sugar to 245. when without party feelings, the House would come to such a the price was between 508. and 60s. ; and decision as would prove fatal to the Ministry, and would ire saw no reason why it should be done when the price be assuredly hailed with acclamation by the country. had fallen to 375.—( Hear, bear.) if at the time when Mr. HAWES said he was not s urprised at the turn which they had expected that the price would increase, as it the debate had taken that evening. He was not surprised did, they did not think it necessary to provide for the th it the wise and statesmanlike views propounded by the contingency of a failing crop and very high prices, muca Noble Lord—(lronical cheersl—should be narrowed less, in his judgment, was there the slightest reason for o h t a statetovote simply on and tha t shortly interests of the mas ses o f t h e people,occasion, down to a mere E as t an d W est I n dia question. He had such a course now, when it was a matter o f perfect de anticipated that when thi s quest i on was brought forward monstration that there would b e a su ffi c i ent supply I'4 t r e uli tr n y . H i c e h w h ied e m o n t endeavours would b e ma d e to turn c on a s o id d e t r h a le tio g n re fr a o t m eo t tn he h . gos mercial interests of the couotry, to mere partial interests, laying aside all party considerations. He was as much and in that he found that he was not deceiver'. But admitted to his party and to his principles as any man thu House might depend upon it this was no Sugar Bill. could be. He was mindful of the conduct of Ministers —(lronical cheers from the Opposition.) He would in former times; and he was anxious to repay them maintain that the purchase of free sugar in this country with every fidelity consistent with honour and duty. was the best means of putting down slavery' and the s l ave But h e should on thisoccasion oppose them. He would do trade.—( Oh, oh I) Hon. Gentlemen opposite tie i c e s o , first, because the proposed measure would in his opinion the propesition, but he remembered that the H on . m em _ give a stimulus to slsvery ; secondly, became it eould au7,- ber for Cambridge or the lime Member for Harwi c h, h e recut the miseries et* the existing state of slavery ; thirdy, forgot which—(Laughter) —bad assented to a p rohm iti on became h e drought it unjust to the West Indies; feurillr , far more in favour of the introduction of slave. because be thought it deleterious to the people inhabiting grown sugar than the present w as. The Right lion, that country ; filthily, though that perhaps was a less ire- Gentleman, on the authority cf Sir Charles Grant, sup- portant reason, because be did not think it prudent or ei s e ported a measur e p ropose d b y t h e G ov ernment of the day as regarded th e E as t I n di es ; and lastly, because he was for the admis s i on o f f ore i gn sugar, t h e r ates of duty b e i ng , co nv i nce d t h ere was no necessity whatever for the measur e . West Indian 20 s , E ast I nd i an 2 7 5 ., and foreign sugar —( H ear ) H e b e li eved they would have an abundant 28e The Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool had but supply of sugar for the year 1841. They lied a right to slightly touched the subject of means; but he admitted expect in all not less than 205,000 tons. He believed that the trade of the country was at present in an alarmin g he might speak confidently on the subject, as they had an situation. He (Mr. Hawes) bad never known the t ra d e o f account of th e supplies to be expected from the West Indies. the manufacturing districts in a state of greater depression ; He would give the House the import hmo Great Britain but he had heard from the Noble Lord not a word whi c h, of British sugar for the first four months of 1840 and 1841. could lead him to suppose that the Noble Lord had any- The House would fled, petting together the West Indies, thing more in his head than a mere party resolution., We , th e Mauritiu s , and Bengal, that in 1839 the total quantity were now suffering from foreign competition, and we had no of sugar imported was 40,700 tons ; in 1840 it was mode of r e l ite r ingeurselvesbut by increasing our marketsand j 39,400 tons, and in 1841 it was 66,000, being nearly tempting foreigners to buy our goods. He found that i n double the quantity import e d i n t h e two prec ee di , g years. 1801 we export e d to t h e amount o f 39,700,0001. or, Sc- j Wail respect t o the quantity of sugar in bond for the last cording to the population, about 21. Bs. for each man i n thr ee years, they would find that there was, on the Ist of the kingdom; but in 1840 he found on the same c o c o a _ May, 1839, 35,500 tons; 1840, 20,700 tons; and in the Con that the export for each individual was only a 75., present year 45,700 tons, being more than double THE BREAD TAX. GREAT MEETING AT LIVERPOOL. On Thursday evening a pieblic meeting was held in the Mus'e' hall, Bond street, Liverpool, to receive a deputation from th e National Anti. Corn law League, consisting of Thomas . Saalel. Esq., John Bright, Esq., Je imn Brooks, Esq., Richard Cobden, Ell. and other gentl emen , w h o came hither to stimulate the peop l e Lis croon', to a vigorous co.operation with the Manchester Leagt!'' The Music.hatl was more densely crowded than we have ever Vnt nessed it on any p rev i ous occas i on, thronged as it frequyn.tlY his been. It is probable that so vast an amount o persona was never before congregated withi n t h e wa l ls of the Music.imaltrand the most enthusiastic spi r it was manifested by the meeting: "Shortly after seven o'clo c k th e d eputation entered the room, accompan ied by several of the leading gentlemen of Liverpool opposed to the Corn-laws, and were most rapturously received. On the platforas we observed a large body of gentlemen well known in Livelr °l as stemma!' opponents of the Corn.lawe. On the motion of Mr. W. It aninoNE, Sir Joshua Wa'tnsleY Ivss called open to preside. The worthy Knight took his seat sun° the loud plaudits of the assembly, The CHAIRMAN, in opening the bnsiness of the meeting, said thus—Ha was not aware of the exact order in which the In .° ' ceedings were to be conducted, but they had assembled for the p ar ' pose of receiving a deputation from the Manchester Anti. Corn-WW League, who would adOress the meeting on that all_impor t3 :: todic which had been so frequently di scusse d in that room. subject was one in which all, from the highest to the lowest, w et. " most deeply interested, and he was sure that he had no eee 34l ,!: to bespeak th e i r earnes t a tt en ti on. All the deputations from ape Anti Corn-law League had observed the strictest impartiality to politics, which were to - ally excluded from ail their meeting'' for the repeal o f th e C orn -l aws was a sub j ect which could be free.....; and fairly discussed without at all entering upon party polities. (Loud cheers ) The CHAIRMAN then called upon THOMAS BAZLEY, Esq , w h o came f orward amid much VP-tone and addressed the meeti ng. H e sa id that a deputation freer, Manchester had come her e t o con f er with time people of Li ter I , pool on one of the most important subjects which could oc ee e P e the attention of the citiz ens o f any community. They had catT to ask for the advocacy and assistan ce o f Li verpoo l in the great struggle in which they were engaged —a struggle which T e for its object the feeding o f th e h ungry and the clothfng of ta naked. They came hither not to dictate, not to give advice, P o to interfere in local questi ons, b ut to be cheered in their enw%. course in procuring b rea d f or t h e people.—(Applause.) k iss , chester and the manufacturing districts, but Manchester or chatty, lied long ielt the deprivation attendant on our fiscal el: lations, especially of th a t b ar b arous and inhuman law which hin de the labourer from recei v i ng f or hi s i ndustry the staff of life. Hit her , Liverpool had enjoyed a higher degree of comfort than Manchester' but if It at law were not repealed, the day would come when distress would be ft It more acutely, w h en s hi ps would go from this Port freighted with a less amount of our manufactures and re e l s with a less amount of th e pro d uce of other countries, All tha t the League asked for were equal and just laws--(Cheers)—end t his principle alone was th e i r ag i tat i on conducted. Would not .De meeting, therefore, join with them ? They (the deputation) ,'"" been in almost all the neighbouring towns; indeed, he might s in nearly all parts of the coum.try, endeavouring to mine' 0 ( and to arouse the pe o pl e. Th ey stood there as missionar i es, the cause in which th e y were engaged, and even thae hw for the help and assistance which had been afforded to thee' 50. a vian They would proceed a s th ey h a d hi t h erto done, for a had now arrived whe n one gran d e ff ort must be made a emancipate the indust r y o f th e country at large. For e I°ol time Manchester had stood almost alone. They had been acea v of indiscretion : they had been charged with having asked el too much. When with bated breath and bended knees th ey asked for an inquiry, they were taunted with being unreasooa b f when they asked permi ss i on to b ake foreign corn, in bond. they were said to be unre asona bl e ; b ut the fact was that they hadap eh " 5 for too little, inasmuch as they did not demand the whole ang le % of justice to which they were entitled.—(Applause.) In conneen, ° , o with the subject before them h e wou ld state one or two facts Wbi would show the negligence of our G overnment compared w i t h t h e of other countries in reference to that employment which °Ugh,° be afforded to every p eop l e. B e i ng h i mself interested in Won, by machinery, he was s ome ti me ago wa i ted on by a Pruss i an bleman, who, after a lengthened conversation; told him that 00,140 in Prussia water power, building materials, and all the elete n we for constructing manuf ac t or i es, b ut h e concluded by saying, e have not got your ar t s , y our i n d ustry ; give us those, an d t h we shall be able to eompete with you, and, probably, to rival 1 01 !, —(Hear, hear.) The o th er d ay, i n com i ng from moo , e railway, an engineer of some celebrity, said to him, permit t to introduce to you a genera l o ffi cer i n the Russian service, whit 0, is in this country f or th e purpose of obtaining information l fleeted with our arts a nd i n d ustry. H e ( the speaker) found, o t this Russian general w as no t on l y purchasing steam-engines, Muice gearing, &c. and looking after all the materials of industry W" 401 were to give impetus to hi s coun t ry ' s manufactures, b u t carrY t ' m out plans which would v er y ma t er i a ll y i n j ure this country If ge intention were to enter into foreign competition with us• would ask if ever an English nobleman or general officer W` from England to learn th e ar t s o f other countries so as to enabl e , tbe people of these kingdom s t o earn t h e i r b read or to raise thetWe', vo in the scale of civili za ti on . H e h a d never heard of such a thicrete the people w e re left to themselves, b u t th e y were shae and they would never be free unless with giant str e°gt _,T o o they broke the bonds that b oun d th em. —(Ch eers.) A com bir4 of huge monopolies w as crus hi ng t h e energ i es of the United N'o,l'st loin ; but the greate s t o f th ese monopo li es, h e was sorry to sa l t s s to be found in our own landed interest. The unnatural sight si th ; presented to theln of Briton crushing Briton. They found that it landowners were posse sse d o f al l the comforts which arts a n manufactures could give t o th em, and monopolised to thenise;s all the bounties and bl ess i ngs of Providence. They circultoet' err the island, and said it shall not m a i n t a i n any except those 'to can be supported by th e li m i te d extent of our domains. They found, continually, th a t th e e ld est sons of the landowners p osse's ui e the estates of their fath ers — t h a t t h e e l dest sons of farmers hee' oe farm ers—and the eldest sons of labourers were permitte d oes r, high privilege of bein g h ere dit ary h e d gers and ditchers.--( e hear, hear.) He doubted whether the Legislature was aw are ht the amount of distress at present in this country, but this ° _;,f, to be made known, and every one exert himself for its realo°00„ They (the deputation) had one elaim upon the meeting_ . . --- ce ar• chester was identified with Liverpool as one Intelligent ° R. tO p re., munity, and lie would ask them whether they were ; Tig ht to mote that degreee of liberty in trade which they had 3 . n rap. obtain. He would ask them whether their representative 1- . of 'lament were supporters of that degree of liberty ?--(CrissfUr " No.") With our commerce unshacked he had no fear fei g n, country ! but with our trade in chains, as though it were a e :ta• he had no hope ! He would exhort them with one effort t° o ce, blush the freedom and supremacy of commerce—for &it ;es like its sister mercy, was twice blessed. It blesseth MID "- and him who receives. —(Cheers.) JOHN BRIGHT, E sq ., o f R oc hd a l e, next presented hint -elf, $l4 ca eca was very wariely received. He said th a t on any ordinary "mine he should feel th a t lie owed a very h um bl e apo l ogy for ° 108 e himself to the notice o f th a t au di ence, but he felt that he shout'. „, if an apology to them, and t o every one of h i s fellow .countrytneiiitie on this occasion h e h es it a t e d t o come f orward, and throw enY oriel influence he possessed into the sca l e o f justice which now ' e trembling in a balance. H e was as conv i nce d as lie wag: °t hi' t oe existence of the justic e o f th e p r i nc i p l e i n w hi ch the Anti_Cor%t it League was based, and being th us conv i nceed was certain tllore would ultimately succeed i n i ts o bj ect. He thought tha t there was abundant evidence in the present condition of this country' or ,' or rather of the p eo pl e o r t hi s country; to show the necessity °Lod coining forward, and i n d eed of every man becoming a inis , i ° t el in this great cause. From the highest to the lowest in the realffl oy , felt difficulty and embarrassment, and to a degree, which, P r°b n 3 r esti the oldest this country had not hitherto witnessed. This wide* J d r ore, distress spared no man, woman, or child. The deputation, th el , — .oce came before the meeting on a sound principle ass espected the P; to r of their cause, and as they had shunned all party politics--- 0 bo t Caine, not as a combination of one trade against another trade:Ry as the bread-eating people of England against . a giant an d - 0 01 wasting monopoly—they were surely entitled to the sympa til l ife. support of all.—(Great cheering.) During the whole of hill but especially during the past two years, he had testowed ° I - 0 1 considered°n upon this subject, and the result at which he °%, arrived was not to endeavour t o ma k e a mystery of the (1" 4 ti 0 ,1 f The want of success which h a d attended exertion previctor made, hail arisen in some measur e f rom t h e question hav ing wrapped up in so many coverings that the kernel could n ° reached. The mode i n w hi c h h e wanted the meeting to view 00 e subject was the one i n w hi ch he h ad endeavoured to view it hags, self. He wanted them to bring the best judgment of their he t he together with the best f ee li ngs o f th e i r h earts, to bear liP° ° , lo p ie question, to drive a wa y a ll p re j u di ce, an d regard it as the si otee question that it really w as . H e d e fi e d any sane man to red supply and say lie believed that a C orn- l aw, b y which supply of food was di m i n i s h e d , was j ust, or could be de f e n d ed " t o by a sensibl e or conscientious venom. The brea" r ' it o was passed for th e avowe d purpose of keeping P Des and steady. If that was the intention of th e t e st gislature, as it undoubtedly was, and if the effects had been in accordance with the intention, which was well to have been the case, by what means had the price been rei7 io6 By making an abundance or a scarcity of corn. Did the rne e think that the price of a commodity could be raised by increas,:ls supply ?—(Cries of " No, no.") If during the Parliament of tal l to 1828—for he considered them as one Parliament, as the' throughout manifested one spirit and one object—they had P a t o some such provision as the following, it would only have be e it state the real object :—" Whereas, fur some unknown purP °4 6 o, is expedient that the bread of this country should be raised t ° eo t 70, or 80 shiliings per quarter," and if officers had been': l e throughout the country to enforce the law, could they ha ve ,i e lf up the price without making a scarcity ? Nothing but a scar'. , of themo could make corn dear, and therefore it followed, as a matter of evitable necessity, that the Corn-laws of 1815 and 18'7 ha d Y their obje c t th e di m i nut i on of the quantity of corn. Could jug° sane man belie ve 'h e t a l aw, having for its object the diminish of the amount of food, could be beneficial to a country It an undoubted fact that the supply of food was diminist7e, whilst the population was rapidly increasing; and if the ing could convince themselves that an increased popular ,ed could he adequat e ly supp li e d w i t h a decreasing amnon:o food, then they cou ld conv i nce themselves of that whiebi,enad self-evident fallacy. If th e y coned follow him to scenes that t hat witnessed, there was no maim so stupid as nct to acknowledg e u ,t thousands and millions were su ff er i ng from something which '" s o be remedmed, or that a s t a t e o f t hi ngs must come about which propeity and life would be insecure. Two or three of Ili Landon Papers,well-known supporters of the Corn-laws, had h ee b l► loudly denouncing the factory sytrem, and declared that it mos t ' l e destroyed. Why, the l an d owners would be the greatest sufferer' this were dime, fur there was not an estate in the country ti f , would then he worth (id. Liverpool could not exist in prosperity i; manufacturing districts wer e i n di stress. What would they W et- t Surely agriculture could yield nothing to export when it could 1 1,, ) give sufficient f oo d f or t h e people on its soil. What then must, exported ? man u f actures or nothing at all. If there were no „7 lie toil would then vanish more quickly than it had appeared. defied any man to point out a place where the Anti-Corn-13 0 "" . , i s sionaries could not find arguments as strong against this system o in the factory di s t r i c t s. E very part of the country was interested, arf to every part the Antecorielaw League was dete rm ined to cad. information on this ques tion.—(Much cheecing Was there h a question requirin g so little clap-trap. It was the pl a inest that had ever spoken upon, when divested of the hundred thousaros, things which had been wi n d e d a b ou t it f or t h e sake of InYitif/e the people. He came from Rochdale, wher e th ere were Inan u e A e e tories of woollen and cotton, but owing t o thi s l aw the co tton 7. 1 . got the better of the woollen manufacture. In 1838 one On e " e our woollen mould . ictures went to Americ a. A t t h a t time th it tariff was laid on, and the British Minist er wrote to say t h a t had it not been for our Corn.law that twill' could no t h ave been Passed' Since 1338 not 1-20th part of our wooll en manufactures had gone jot em America. The result had been a d ecrease of employ an "iv to the labourers, much discontent, and e x t ens i ve comb i na tions, ,_eir the men thought that the ma s te rs h a d wrongfully reduced roil wages, whereas the profits of th e master had also been severe ly cut down, and many becam e b an k rup:s. Tne men wasted t", efforts uselessly against machi nery i nstead of directing them ae!o `,i is , the abominable law wh ic h had , been the cause of their u tress, Wages, since 183 S, had declined one-hall. Was et is likely that mese men c ou ld l ive in comfort if any o f had an additional child? he looked upon it not es a blessing P° o as a .curse sent from heaven.—(Hear, hear.) It used to h e proverb in their neighbourhood when God sends mouths Jm sends food. God might send children, but the aristocracy w° uld 0 0 not let thorn have eeet —( Much Cheering.) Th e w id e -spread disastrous effects of th e B read.tax were one of time most appall it o ' a in circumstance s connected with i t. It would be a very 'wse matter if only some dozen of brokers and manufacturers e for tumbled d own through it. In America, so customary Ws' 1 r of the brokers t o fail, that Wall-street was kn own b y the 113- e , "Rotten W a ll -street, " but notw i t h standing this failure of VT' er o f all the labouring population could procure an ample suPPY, te . food. He knew from letters which he had seen, and, fronr 7 40 , merits which he had heard, that labouring men who had FP" 0. op America were continually exhorting their re l a ti ves here t°-"focia a country where they were permitted to eat the fruits- of b `„, t o unnisturbe.l—(Much elleoring)--and yet there was no' C Uu so blessed with natural advantages as this, and flo d • !EVENTING EDITION that of the preceding year. He held in his hand a letter, which came from a hause of hist) character at Calcutta, erigieally bearing date the 16th of January, 1841, but web a postscript of the 15th of February, 1841, in which, after stating the actual exports during this fear, amounting to a very large quenrity, the writer states that if matters continue as they ere it is scarcely possible to sate what quantity of sugar may not be sent to this country in the succeeding year. Such wee our prospects in the East Indies. Ha i we no right to expect better times in the Weet ? The evils which result e d from the emancipation of the slaves were gradually ceasing; peace prevailed in the island of Jamaica, there was an increase of industry, and they had a right to expect that the fruits of that in dustry would be an increased production. The little island of Aatigua, the most exhausted of almost any of our i , lands, had , since the abolition of slavery, increased its exports from 7,000 to 11,000 hogsheads. He e in tended that there was every probability of sugar being of fered to the people of this country at a reasonable price. The people of England were great sugar consumers net eitletaading its high price. —( Herr, hear.) I' any man would be at the trouble to look into the recta, he would find diet Great Britain alone consumed above one quarter of the whole amount of sugar which was consumed at all. What would be the result of admitting foreign sugar into Ireland? Ht had received from toe Island of Cube aavices down to the Ist of April, by which he found that the increase in the exports in the two preceding months was 5,000 tons. How was that increase brought about? By the augmenta tion of the slave trade ; by employing slaves, and slaves only; by working them without mercy, without even al lowing them an ordinary quantity of sleep to sustain human nature.—(Hear, hear.) He would ask, then, whether any one of the examples of his Hon. Friend had any bearing on this subject?—( Hear, hear.) He had told them of the advantages of tree labour, but he had forgotten to tell them, that in the East Indies there was an enormous overflow of population, and that in the Went Indies it was totally ieadequate to the demand.—(Hear, hear.) Ile (Sir S. Lushirgton) totally denied that the question before the House was a question of free trade In free trade there was free compctiti in he tweets parties who used the same means and appliances to attain their object. Who ever heard of free trade between him who paid a just obedience to the laws of his country, and discharged the taxes im posed upon him, and the lawless ruffian-_a composition where, on the one side, crime was legalised, and, on the other, the rights of humanity were observed ? (Cheers.) Thee was, he contended, no fair competition in a case of this description. The result was immediate prosperity, immediate success to him who violated the law. The ul timate result was then reducing the finest land to the con dition of a wilderness. Let them look, for example, to the States of America. Mr. Jelin Joseph Gurney, whose name had been already mentioned, had told him that he had seen the finest land reduced to the most miserable condi tion. What would be the hearing of this measure upon the great population whom we had emancipated ? Oa this subject we had then the opinion of the same gentle man, Mr. Gurney, who had no interest in this question-- of unspotted character, of practical knowledge, for he had visited the West Indies and the United States for the express purpose of acquiring information on the subject,— or,e of all the men whom he had ever known the most attached to a strict adherence to truth.—( Hear.) He happened to have by him the sentiments of that gen. tleman in writing, on the subject, gven to him before the question was mooted, and he would take the liberty of reading them to the House.—(The Hon. and Learned Gentleman here read an extract of a letter from Mr. Gurney, stating that the writer considered it of the utmost importance to the West India colonies that the present prohibitory duties on sugar should be maintained, as any relaxa'ion of them would be necessarily attended with the ruin of the [ , haters, and the loss of the daily wages which the negroes were now earning for their labour, and with a vast increase in the importation of Cuba and Brazilian sugar.) The sentiments of this gentleman were, from his position, deserving of the utmost attention. He had no West India interests to move him, and was ac tuated by nothing but a sincere desire for truth, and a regard to the interests of humanity.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) He would now proceed to defend himself from the charge of inconsistency which had been brought against those who opposed the present measure because they consented to consume other articles, the pro duce of slave labour, and did not protest against the impor tation of cotton. He considered that he gave tae greatest proof of wisdom, and was the best friend of humatety, who looked to the practical execution of beneficial measures, and not he who, not able to attain all the good of which be may be desirous, gave up the good which was ie his peer. He ea; not a wive man who, because circumstances over which he had no control forced hint to submit to the evils of resorting to slave countries for certain products, because , so great a calamity was inflicted on him by the force of circumstances, would therefore seek voluntarily to augment it.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) He had pursued the course of endeavouring to attain all the practical good in his power throughout the discussion of those quest ons. At first little progress had been made, but he had conferee i himself with resting on, and being guided by, public epinien, first of all by bringing about the abolition of staverv—next, by procuring an amelioration in the condi tion cf the negro—then, by endeavouring to procure a gradual abolition of slavery—and, at last, when public opinion was ripe, by the total abolition of slavery, though the supporters of that mea s ure had been contented with the practical good they could affect, and had waited to be guided and supported by public opinion. There were some other li tle matters which were well worthy of attention. lie agreed with the Hon. Member for Bevetley that Cuba sugar would enter into the greatest competition with Bridsh sugar, but he believed the Br,- zlhan sugar would also find its way here, and that an en couragement would be given to the importation of slaves, end a great increase in the sufferings of the slaves would he the consequence. But were they quite sure that i, would end tttere ? Were they quite sure that the Bra zilian Government and the Brazilian planters would not be inclined to abandon the cultivation of cotton, which was now partially pursued, and take to the cultivation 01 sugar, ?—( Hoar, hear.) Let thorn ace the course which had been formerly pursued. lh the West Indies the cul tivation of cotton had been abandoned, and the cultivation of sugar taken to. How could they satisfy themselves that it would be for the advaltage of this country to de pend exclusively fur the supply of cotton upon the United States? and he would contend that any one measure which tended to render us solely and exclusively dependent upon the United States, aid to deprive us of that nece;sary article from otl.er countries, must be most detrimental to the commercial and mercantile interest, and one of the most dangerous that any country could adopt, situated as England was now situated. Ile had listened with deep attention to the eloquent speech of his Noble Friend the Secretary for the Colonies, and could not for. act the pathetic description he had given of the sufferings of the poor in this country. He (Dr. Lushington) hopee he was not deficient in the most earnest anxiety to relieve those sufferings and to restore them to a better state. But surely when that eloquent description of their sufferings ha' been given, and which would now go off to the coun try exciting their feelings and raising their passions_— ( Loud cheers from the Opposition) —that description of their condition of suffering from being forced to purchase a dear article night be contrasted with the sufferings which must be the consequence of tie adoption of this measur, for their relief. When he had sat on the ether tide of the House, with but few fri !nds to support him, actuate / only by the spirit of truth, and when sotneti:nes his courage faded him, he found the feelings of the people of thi, country thing to hit support, encouraging eery effor, and stimulating Hai to fresh effotts; and he believed that if the question was put to the people of this country, whether they would have their sugar cheaper by taking tit' produce of the labour of the stave, or whe.ner they ~vouid suffer their present calamities, he believe, they would reject the proposition. —( L ou d cheers.) He had such faili in their principles and kindl% and good feelings, that lie believed they would prefer the dinner of herbs to the stalled ox that was offered them. He ha I made these observations to justify himself, and te show his own consistency and adherence to his priieipl'. —(Gceers.) He deeply regretted being obliged to give vote different from his Noble Friend, but ho was obliged so do so. If the proposition of the Chancellor of the Ex chequer could be put in such a firm that he could say no to it, he would be desirous to do so ; and fpr as the forms of that House Would per mit that was the course he would pursue. Whit regard to the other questions, he would not cute: jilt) into them. He had only risen to vindicate his owl, •s:,iniori, and he was content.—.(Cheers from the Opp sition.) JI . MART rose and said, at that late hour he would deteil the H.iuse but for a moment.---( Here the 1 - I , in. Member was interrupted by loud crio3 of " Adjourn," and "Go on.") He then moved the adjournment of the debate till Monday. The question uas put and egreed t o . On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, the House, et its tieing, was adjourned till Monday. CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought up the Re. port on this Bill. Sir C. DOUGLAS brought up a clause providing compensation fur the coroners of Manchester, Birmitg hem, and Bult ,n. Mr. M. PHILIPS opposed the clause, es one to which his constituents would not agree, unless it. was pro• sided that the Coroner of Manchester should discontinue his opposition to the charter. St - rougers were then ordered to withdraw, and the ouse Divided, when there appeared_ For the clause . Against it... 54 Majority • • The clause was th en added to the Bill, and the Repor brought up. Tile Aims (Ireland) Bill was read a third time and passed. The other Orders of the Day were then disnosed of, and the House adjourned at hal!: past Tmelve o'Clock. THE WEATHER.-NOON, MAY 8. ROYAL GALLERY OF SCIENCE, A DELA TOE-STREET. Barometer Thermometer ...55 Highest 7l Lowest .. Wind S. S. W.—Freezing Point 32 Deg. /TM I EXPECTED DISSOLUTION OF PARLIAMENT. —'We have reecive4 the following intimation from a source on Which we have every lesson to rrly :—" It is understood that ' the Queen wiil dissolve Parliament immediately if the Minis ters are beaten on the sugar duties.— Tablet. NOVEL PORTRAIT PAINTING.— At twenty yf..‘ trs of age, Mademoiselle Guinard had her portrait paLted by an eminent artist, and by the aid of this picture she was enabled, if I may so express myself, to analjze her e3mpl,xion ; that is to sty, she made herself accurately acquainted with all the different tints of which it was cam pocd in t.ie blooming days of her youth. With these colows duly prepared, she seated herself at her toilette, as an artist would pllce himself btfnc his easel and there, with the portrait bciide her, she every morning reprcdwed its t e&ct fac•simile. By this inge:dous straugetn, Guinard, at fifty, frequently passed for tv.enty.—Th eo ., dare Hook's French Sine.