The Sun. — London, England, 1841-03-31 00:00:00

~,~ p e t, r, rism• nowiedge tha t hartcr" is is a hug e , and roun d homag e ; e speeches pie, (later were s'e' actiobs work an' ied to the the 1 ,11 ! ( stioned Shalloo t politics rola a Stet the P tll , :° , I.. d g y or ed by ill the be" Aiegs, and all th s4 s a Pub°lic ;* CharM ,th wh ich prejudice Ind lively, ; or e ,Il mini ky ne w h a t . r it sel r-st)i e d ridiculous, 'or) an ! i r 1 the ra,ee' o f our 101 ', spu mbi s weep, .ng Ily closing ab l er tha n i r hich if g that the/ that their the poet A of pocrei ;as d c J ellcct sash 307 !s, - 0 n tuallb iad demo. and 5 .0 ,r the thi na med A latit:n aur N at'l, or' n the 609' f the 1 . 0 ,! alto 01_,- cue bI PP Ith ar c 0 ranks naut terarh 11 hew" bcci; satte°- oc cupYi n r g i ng nowe and n ff ; ° ye, •e.isote •ainst cot t t h e (Ali!' lic the Pu" polo an %artists to the csd obje ct; ty in °Ni e l; t, i 3 kiog a tor atte . 0 Chgr% tile to t. AVV / * ELA IDS. A RCO 30. amity ar laio.rotndeiril as s gid o Tod g.ru° cb ;) SE % Ct; bat 0 be the ra l '' came at onl(101•9s*; ear, v i /II , : I. ' Jeb 3 .,,` a to w to o i up cre 0 05 ' Caf" bre' d sCouris , 'A I,l_,lptiNi NG EDITION IMPER IA L PARLIAMENT. -------- „, E ROUSE OF LORDS, MARcH 30. h e rI of „ r:IIAF I , sBURY. his seat on the Wool -144, at FN.: o'Clock. TeOrr the on tion Viscout.t DUNCANNON, the t00 1.4 1 4 e Acts Or laud) Bill, t e Turnpike Acts Conti. hi l nee I, and East I n di a R um D ut i es Biil, were sew nY, 'tad a third tim , , a i d passed. f.he Earl o f CL A RENDON present , ..d a petition ~`,.7c Lender, prayiag that the toll might be taken off the rtan hr;d ge ,. to i t t h e Earl of H A RRO WB Y : presented three petitions • e sa "'" dreet ; a.lo a petition from Northampton talntit the Po I The !rn, aws. NTC A SHE 1., presented a petition Surrey, praying that the toll might be taken off the The lici t f„,,'' h op 01 LINCOLN iraented a petition from tit Pr'''.viFg a revision of t-.e law on e subjeA of g o ers""s B eneers from the Commons brooght up the River nilat Faerics Bill, which was read a first titer. I T HEATRICAL REPRESENTATIONS. o„,•,:r1 LYNDHURST gave notice thrit imme,:iate!y 111 1% the E . :ster recess he should present a petiti in on the ty i et ftheatr cal rept e;art:ltinns in the Metropolif, with l e% to anal eration in the law reirting thereto. SOUTH AUSTRALIA. Iri t h ne Earl of RIPON had moved fir papers conr.ected tb the Colony of S, uth Austridra, and some papers on too Vulij eet had been laid before the House. He La d d over th ese d ocuments, b ut h e was una bl e t o cons *Zed tee financial sti,t meets of the affairs of the colony, tats` aPpecreß to l ins to Le in a very confused and un- Th li tub h r-ldarquis o f e "." whi c h t h e motion of h i s Noble Friend re f erre d to. tou aid, that negctiatilns sere going on on the h o l e eet of the fi nanc i al accounts the colony, which he ?r i c i l would elucidate the matter. Ma-quis of NORMANBY presented a petition k i t ? a society of persons in Edinburgh calling thernselv_ s tla ct ,„° nal Religionist, playing for an inquiry into their ta r i'"?. The Noble Marquis stated that he did not cen t/ t h e prayer of the petition. POOR-LAWS (IRELAND). It r " tnatpris of NORMANBY said, with reference to di; trong, wh o was t o have been examined yester titiZtit in consequence of whose absence the inves bt—*W" Was postponed to this day, he had not fro m Ireland. Some mistake had taken relative to the issuing of the summons to that i t : ll .e which be (the Marquis of Normanby) supposed toe cause of his non-attendance on the Howe. ttd i edlr er to a question from Lord ELLENBO wit Nt BLit MARQUIS stated that' be understood the 11 0 ,Pr Mr. Armstrong's attendance was sent from that .eon Friday last, and was delivered at the Horne- Seturd av , w h ence it was transmitted on the same 84' d ° but as there was no delivery in that city on t e i, e gis it w as p ro b a bl e that Mr. Armstrong did not re ihe order till M on d a y. Toe L o, c onversation was then dropped. t ,, ROSEBERY presented three petitions, pray , % It : I " medical directors be appointed fir an administra - l ir the Poor-law as far as regards the sick poor. isa Marqui s of Bate presented petitions from Paisley the:ther plaees in Scotland praying for the abolLion of C- 1 1 patronage. EASTER HOLIDAYS. w o The Duke o f WELLINGTON wished to ask for what s _tt was i nten d e d to move the adjournment•of the 17,0 durin g th e Facer holidays. R: d MELBOURNE i:aid he proposed on Tuesday asti L r of April, to move the adjournment of the House Ti Thu r sday the 221. r Lordships then adjourned until Thursday next. no USE OF COMMONS, MAXCH 30. phed The' PRAI M took the Chair at the usual hour. la st "..e F Aatan tberie3 Bill was read a third time, and tir e Ardrossan Harbour Bill was read a second time. e a , ••GROTE moved that it Le an instruction to the e ttv tittc e of Selection to apps int the Committee on Bur -4p Naturalization Bill for Thursday the Ist day of text, and iving notice the eof at the Private Bill t. helcrt Wedne sday the 31st of March.—Agreed to. 4,,in ; • 1 3 YNO presented a petition from Kingsland.road, g th at th... WA:113o and other bridges be opened. h9 g au " beanhead Reservoir Bill was read a second time. Naturalizatwn BM was re cda third time, and Psi. . n ..minster Roads Bill was read a third time, and • L A WALSALL ELECTION. t o :te ELIOT', as Chairman of the Walsall Election 14, a , iniitee, appeared at the bar of the House with the Mr* -n ei rt of the Committee. The Report stated that P ki `• Gladstcne was duly elected to sit in th e lament for the borough of Walsall, and that neither . *l - 4 - Pfetition against the return nor the opposition to it tte t ., 4 6741 0us or vexaVous. The Committee further P re; , that that very considerable treating existed both d °4 alts to and during tie election, but by reason of the eo,(tal nature of the evidence, they were unable to "lect it with the sitting Member or his agent. Her r ' DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the over llei",,iitud Parishioners of Shepperton, in Middlesex, com o-ng of tie operation ot the new Poor-law Act. I,rneneral LYGON presented a petition from Wolver ar°na praying for increased church accommodation. r ' EsTcoußT presented I e itions from Warwick yet. Wiltshire, and other places, to the same effect. C.!' BAINES presei.ted a petition from 900 Roman or t ,, of the Borough of Leelse praying . that . paupers tt l e a t.persuasion in the workhouses might receive spine !chef from clergymen of their own religious per eakl3r. MARK C o ; —ARK PHILIPS prefeete I a petition from the proyeration of Maechester, praying that the present high ti oe letive duties might be done away with. Also a peel -4; f"cm the Society of Rational Religieeists of Manches- OTlYing fur an inquiry into their d , ctriuev. lal ee :oa ROLLESTON presented a peti ion from a In NuttinehernOare in favour of Church Extension. N o - , k r . AINSWORTH presented a petition from Edg lecur; in Lancashire, against certain claus es in the Poor . ; also a Fetition from the Belton and Lancaster Compeny, against the Railway' Regulation 1311. t e r* T. PARKER presented a petition from the North .. I' f it Railway Company to the same effect. te ed . • MACKINNON presented a petition from the tle e te4 prefeAion of Bristol praying that a medical lay 8111 might to appointed by a new provision in the Pour svhose duty it would be to grant relief to the hi Poor in workhouses. Dik te ' FOX M AUL E presented several petitions from tr o V in Scotland, praying for the abolition of Church ya ce,r R'; also a petition from some place in Scotland against Yang th e ma il s b e ra il wa y o n the Sabbath. I‘,..ANTERBURY ELECTION PETITION. tri t C° fulloei ng M em b er s were sw o rn at the table a Com tie, e t to try the merits of the petition complaieing of an un tii re turn tor the City of Canterbury. 'f ee Hon. Robert t ye, Chairman ; Edward Buller, Esq., J. W. Hogg, 'W. J Blake, Esq., J. J. Hope Johnstone, E-q., W. Ludlow Bruges, Esq., and Patrick Chalmers, Eq. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from some sapll Yorkshire, in favour cf Church Extension. ° NORREYS presented a petition from some place s t tfordshi re, in favour cf Church Extension. re r• BARNARD presented a petition front Greenwich, est the N ew P oor -l aw . 14 41 rd CASTLERE Alin presente3 petitions from va ,tj4 pl ices in the county of Down, praying for the aboli -44 Church P a t r onage in Scotland. %a u ' • BUG DEN presented a petition from Mr. Pike , tie" el or, prayin g g for the abolition of the personal ser °f process in Ireland. the e r n . 14 . J. O'CONNELL presented a petition from Af r " . ",_,°tY of Kerry, against Lord Stanley's B 11. %tie; PUME presented a petition signed by fifty-five pri tie;," in the Queen's Bench, complaining that the Act for cor e - h rlition of imprisonment for debt had failed in ac rterVhing the objects of its promoters, and praying tte,„. 4 iiiesure might be introduced for the more effectually th o t; cut the abolition of iliprisonment for debt ; for a Fetition from the hawkers of Durham, praying Si t° th e abolition of the duty on hawkers' licenses, '4 0 4 Petiti on f rom a pl ace i n the county of Galway, in fr o ,: r „of Lord Morpeth's Registration Bill ; also a petition alt o .'''oet's Lynn, ie favour of tie Count/ Courts' Bill; f ar Peiltien f rom Shepeerd's-plac WeArninster, praying k i k ', extensi on o f t h e Suffrage ; 41,0 a petition from West pre) i. gf r the release of Mr. Feargus Connor ; t o , n a peti el from the accountant of the R o y al the u4l t of Dunfermline, praying for the reduction of G r etPert dwies ; also a petition from Dundee , pray Lig ei r r Z le •de in ra..v mate-iels. - ke rth AKLEY presented a petition from Jackson Bridge, see Ir-Tyosill, p r aying fort he repeal of the Poorlaws, and tha t tie House w o uld nut in future legisla t e ; 4 11 0 11_ subject until the people were better repre , eated ; A Petitior signed by 177 eersolF, from Lags, in finer e• in favour of Robert Peddle, a Chartist pri_ v?, The p e t ti cners sta t e d that the prisoner had been Pr e j ,, ac ti/e in suppressing a tumult in this . town during iniprire nmen t, an d prayed inquiry Lao his case; It Petitie r , f rom F i ns b ury to the same effect. lieeu% P . NIA ULE said that the cane Peddle had beea 4ut under the notice of the Home Office by the Hon. t:: ri tte. s ' far Kilketity, but the Government having ieves -1)-4" the e eee, did not think it was one which they could I P 4 "Y rec e -4 for her Majesty's clemency. pa Offline). Otai,; . ' SA NDON Dr Cente 1 a petition from Liverpool, f ° 1 41,31 4 4 _, 1 °r inquiry into the state of the colony of Now ; M„".„''• to g • GLADSTONE presented a petition complain. "Jeatep eouduct of a messenger of the Legislaeve As °l Newfoundland (as we undtraood), who after liee l e t e l°• } ken twice ' convicted of an assault, was still . ce.n -;kilo it'll his office. The pe itioners pray e 3 for inquiry bin state of the . colony. ken% 11 ° DG ES presented two petitions from places in L or pinst workieg of tl.e New Pour-law. id,M RPET Id presented a petition from Iludders tinder-It°Plaining of the manner of appointing Chaplains New Poor-law. t th r)r- w w I ORPE I }-1 pi eaented a petition from Ovendoe, - "t (~ f Yorkshire, complaining of certain ° !tuetits in the New Poor-law ; also a petition from the CePas •• t ee pi- e's 1 / 4 e era parishes in the city of DuLlia praying I ` , i ' ' use to adopt the Poor-law valuaion as the basis for " ti tio "e municipal taxes ; also from the medical prae eel Z7: B of Ireland, against tee Bill for iegulating Medi teneegarities ; also a - e tition from a minister, elders, and ini4g 4 tten in Scotland, playing the House to adopt tr op es res sec ure t h e spee d y A nd entire abolition of pa- Derry in the Church of Scotlaeds aloe flora) Cumber, in kttU r " ar tri Killaiee st Lord Stanlees .I.4egistration , an , , again h „ Itp frj r. our of that brought l'e by uKINGTON preseniel Re N — "eantil 4 the state bell len from foils -ewe e ti mes, praying for inquiry into k r ,':unit,d . cal * it ', l l . l -; NT Z gave notice that in CoTreittee on the . Me an,d I 4 L e ,'" , ho would reeve teat all pre scriptees 4 iso th„'s should be ritten in Englisli—( t0) - -"- - "‘ after Easter b y would move for leave to bring In a Bill fLr regulating the safety-valves of boilers in st.,..,am veKel=. Sir E. S UG DEN gave notice that in Committee on the Poor-law Amendment Act, he should move that the 19th clause be struck out. An Hwy. MEMBER said he wished to put a quzstion to the G,uticman the Secretary for tie Treasury, In the Lainburgh Advertiser of the 25th of March an odveitdvrnent had appeared with respect to the collec tion ef Land and Assessed Taxes in Peebles ar.d Selkirk. The ac:vertisement stated that the collector had received a communication from the Comptroller- General of Scotlat.d, stating that the public ser vce tequired a much earli?r coilection of those taxes than had been made heretofore, and the collector remindel all poisons that the same would become due on the 25th current, and reviested early payment. He wished to know whether that advertisement emanated from the Trea sury. Mr. GORDON seid that Le believed that the Com missioners had received no special directions. The Comp troll. rat Edinburgh usually acted on his own disetetion when he found a particular county in arrear. THE BUDGET. Sir E. PEEL h,gged to ask the Right Hue. Genii:- man o;:; , ,;osite i,t what period he would make his fLancial statement. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re plied that he would do so on th...! 30L11 of April. Mr. HUME begged to ask the Chancellor of the Ex. chequer whether it was true, as had been stated, that her Milesty's Government had entered into an agreement by which the mails were ca.rr;ed six days in the week bytai'- way, a'td on Sunday by coach. The CHANCELLOR cf the EXCHEQUER re plied that such an arangeme.it had been adopted. Mr. HUME then moved for copies of the correspond ence which had taken place on the subject. Sir R. PEEL begged to a=k the Right Hon. Gentle man, the President of the Board of Trade, whether he persisted in as4ing the assent of the House to his Bill with rssFect to the Colonies on Monday next ? as the tlhancellor of the Exchequer harl fixes an eally day after the recess for bringing forward his financial statement, he thought it would he as well to postpone the na,asure. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that as his measure in no respect affected Briti9h revenue, but solely aid exclu sively referred to duties levied in the colonies, he could see no necessity - wheitever for postponing it. He thought it %ery desirable that the opinion of the House should be taken on so important a subject as early as pos sible. Sir R. PEEL said, although it might not be a finan cial measure, still it was intimately coneected a ith the finances, and they should not be called upon to give an opini an upon any single part of a large measure. Mr. LABOUC HERE said a 3 a matter of course he could not be expected to know what his Right Hon. Friend might intend to de. Bur he thought the measures were perfe. tly disticcre and as a separate measure he thought the West India Duties R gulation Bill was perfectly de fensible. Colonel SALWE Y, seeing the Noble Secretary for the Colonies in his place, wished to ask him whether it was his int: ntion to proceed with the Bribery Prevention Bill dur ing the present Session ? 'Lord JOHN RUSSELL had not introduced that Bill yet. If he proposed to do so, he would give proper notic s. Mr. HERRIES wished to put a question to the Right Hoe. Chancellor of the Exchequer, of which he had net been able to give notice; therefore, he must be content with such an answer as he might be able to give him. When the new Postage Act came into operation, the pub lic had been deprived of a considerable time in the edvais tage they enjoyed of puttir g in and receiving their let err. It was alleged that upon the immediate establishment of a new system the difficulties were so great as to render it necessary fur the Post-office to close earlier in order to give time fir sorting the in creased number of letters, but at the same time it was understood that very shortly the public would be put in their old position with regard to time. What he wanted to know was whether the Right Hon. Gentleman could inform the House how soon the present system was to cease. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had hoped before that to have been able to inform the House that they were about to return to the old system, but from the great pressure caused by the increased correspondence and the establishment cf the money-order office, it had yet been found impracticable; but he trusted the time was not far distant when that pressure would cease and they might return to the old system. Mr. E. TENN ENT said, as he found from the state of business for to-morrow be would be unable to proceed with the Copyright of Designs Bill, he would postpone its further consideration till the 21st of April.—Postponed accordingly. COLONY OF NEWFOUNDLAND. Mr. PA KINGTON then ruse, pursuant to notice, to move that a Select Committee be appointed to inquire into the state of the colony of Newfoundland. The Hon. Gentleman said that he rose from a strong sense of the delicacy and difficulty of the duty which be had to perform, and if he had consulted only his own per sonal feelings on the subject, he should gladly have adopted the suggestion made on a former occasion by the Noble Lord (Lord John Russell), and have in troduced a motion for a Committee of Inquiry into the affairs of the colony of Newfoundland without one word of comment. He could assure the Noble Lord he bad no desire whatever to interfere with the progress of the Poor-law Amendment Bill, in the general principles of which he entirely concurred. Nei ther had he any desire to lead to any extended debate, much less to anything , like angry cr ecri nionious discussion. He had no desire to preju dice the investigation upon which they were about to enter into Committee, for which be was about to move, by anething like an ex parte sase ment, sled, on the other hand, he hoped the House would allow something for the feelings which he had, for the affairs of the colony at Newfoundland had never before, he be lieved, been submitted to the House of Commons, al though the respectable mercantile and wealthy classes of that colony had for three or four consecutive years been pour ing petitions into both Houses of Parliament, at the foot of the Throne, and into the Colonial-office, fur the redress of grievances which they emphatically termed insufferable and intolerable. He was therefore, about to move for a Committee of Inquiry into the whole state of this important dependency of the British empire, and notwithstanding the suggestion cf the Noble Lord, he should state as briefly and temperately as he could, but at the same time as clearly and dis tinctly, the case on which he thouOit it right to de. mend from Parliament this investigation.—( Hear, bear.) He could not conceal from the House that there was mixed with this question that which was notorious to every one who load studied the state of the colony, that which stood recorded in their petitions, and which he believed bad been avowed in speeches made in the ether House of Pa-- liament—a large portion of the religious distension and animosity which unhappily prevailed in other p, its of the empire, and which, weerever it existed, could not be too deeply deprecated or deplored.—( Hear.) He could assure the House he did not intend to enter upon this position of the subject, or to say one word which could pos-ibly tend to criminate any individual, and he should enter into the Committee for which he was about to move oithout any feeling of hostility to any class or'any in dividual. If tie allegations to which he referred should be come the subject of inquiry in that Committee, he cool i only say he should rejoice as mach as any man could do if they turned out to be exaggerated, or altogether unfounded. He would, with these few explanations, t ern to that which would be the principal question for the Commit e, v:z., wl.ether the present Constitution of the colony of New foundland was such -as could conduce to its interests o: prosi erity. In the year 1832, when Lord Grey was a.. the head of the Administration of this country, an Act was passed granting a Local Legislature to the Colony. Judg ing, however, from results, and the experience of the last nine years he (Mr. Pakiugton) confessed that that Constitution appeared to him to have been prematurely given. He would not undertake to say how far it would be advisable in any case to grant to a small community in presentative government ; but he felt confident that which the gradations of society were not settled a re the peculi Sr circumstances of Newfoundland were such as rendered it singularly inexpedient to confer on them such a boon. The population of the colony consisted of about 75,000 or 80,000 persons, and these were divided almost equally into Roman Catholics and Protestants. A still more remarkable circumstance was, that from the nature of the climate it was almost impossible to carry on any agri cultural business in the country ; and a great portion of them were, in consequence, obliged to subsist by the fishing trade. The number of respectable user chants and shopkeepers, therefore, was very small. In order to create a sufficiently numerous constituency under such circumstances the franchise was g anted to every occupier of a house for tire period cf one year, while the occupier of a tenement for the space of two years was egg led to be elected to the Reprioentstive Assembly. ITat was tee democratic nature of the constituency of Newfoundland. He di 1 not, however, wish to make any charge against the Bri ish Government of the time on that account, as he was aware that such a measure as had been pa-sed was called for by those merchants anti oilier tespectable parties in the colony who now complained of its operation. The first Assembly created under Vie operation of that Constitution consisted fur the most part of tespt ctable parties, and there had been no great cause for complaint of the manner in which they had conducted the public business ; bat even in that Assembly there had been certain indications that augured most unfavourably for the operation of the new Constitution. A Triennial Act having been passed by the first Assembly, a second Assembly was elected in April 1836. It had been all , gel that great party violence had been exhibited at the exc tions on that occasion, that great tumults had bees ex cited, and that, in consequence several persons of low st'- tion had been returned members of that Aossemble- Or,e of the members of that Assembly was a p :or fisherman, another was a domestic servant, and le had been assured by a gentleman connected with the colony, who had furnished him with information on the subject, that he had actually bean applied to by one of tlie Members cf the Assembly of Newfoundland to take his (the Mem ber's) daughter into his service in the capacity of nursery maid. This miniature House of Commons consisted only 15 Members, and it would not be a matter of sur prise that such an asssmbly, so constituted, should not give get rat satisfaction by their administration of the colony. The motto respectable classes became alarmed, arid be would shortly state a .series of illegations had been made against the conduct of that Assembly. It was complained that they had exercised greet per-ccution and tyranny—that they had been guilty of mal.adminis tration generally, more particularly that there had teen a gross misapplication of the finances. He would merely remind the House of one of the grossest acts of tyranny which, under pretence of a breach of privilege, bad been perpetrated by that Assembly. There could be no doubt a to the circumstance to which he referred, it had be c ome almost matter of history. A gentleman of the medical prefesslon had a Cluereel' with , e Member of the Howie of Assembly on a matter totally unconnected with anything reletir g•o the Assembly. The Member' of the Aseerebly' complained of the conduct of this medical gentleman, as a breach cf privilege, and by order of the Assembly he wet tak,o intro euatody. Ho applied for a writ of habeas THE SUN, LONDON. WEDNII_NDAY, MARCH 3 1 1 1841 corpu,s, and was released by the Judge. The House of dregged the Judge who had released him from the Bench of Juatice, and both the Judge who had issued an .1 the Sheriff who had executed the writ of hate 1e . e( rots, Were nripir,oned by the House of Assembly, under ti,e pretence c a breech of privilege; and, in ur,ler to r, leave than, the Gcl , :rnor of the colony was obliged to p; . crigue the Rtri:arn:.nt. They had beard a great drat of breach cf privilege Litt Session, but he thought that ( - van the Hor. and Leinnecl Member for Nowak Fej (the Solicitor-Gcrmra) would admit that .ua - s carry ing the doctrine of breach (f privilege to an unjustifiAle (Iter.t. An accusation had also bean made igainst the Ciief Justice of the Hand, Mr. Bolton. The raising of t aL person, nbo was in a lith legal s i tuation, to a politi cal cflicc in theLegi-lativPCouncil, toss certainly an prudent step. His political views wete obnoxious to a certain party, raid although he was honourably acquitted of ail the charges that were made against him, yet it, was- thorgut better that he should be eeprived of his employment. Another grave charge made against the House of Aaertib'y was that of misapplication and squandering of the public money. It urfoltunately hap ede I is Newt' wieland that every official person, alagis ti ales, and e,.;n:tahle4, were sent to the House of their s:ilar cs, and it was nil( god that the House of Assinbly in dis.pensing - tLeir favours had regard to the political conduct e.f :he parties—that they rewarded their fr'eads, and depressed their fees. He held, in his hand a petition sent.over by the Chamber of Cernmei . ec---a body lepreseetiog the rezpectablo mercantile elases, and ear sisting cf pandas of all political c'eaemitiatioris, and they earnestly prat e•'. far relief. Ha found that the petition, cont , iaed allega.ions of the maat.er in which the Li gislz tivc Council had tamperei with the colonial revenue. N,w, if these ea: - ‘es of ei33,tisfa2tion bad arisen is London —if there were any truth in these allogations—if it were true that the ends of justice had la( en frustrated by the conduct of the Assembly, and th.ir duties, as legislators, prostituted for party purposes, it could not be matter of surpri.e that such strong teatonstrances and peti tions should be sent to the Legislature at home. —(Hear ) These petitions, in consequence of some accident, ee•e not the subk ec of discussion in theit House ; but in the otlicr House, in the Ses:i3n of 1839, they had occasioned some discussion, and the Noble Ali-rquis then at the Lead of the Colonial Depa , tment had promised that a Commissioner should be scia out t the colony, di . recting him to make special inqu'ry into the truth of the al:egationF. Before the close of the Session cf 1839 the Noble Marquis stated that the answer cf the Governer to the riespatchcs of the Government tt home had been re ceived, and it stated that the al'ega.ions in the petition e.e! e very much exaggerate'. It had not been thought advisable to tress f r the repot t of the Governer ; but he must say that when it was alleged tha , the statements in the petition Mere exsiggera!e:J, and when there was no means of ascr• aining whether the opinion a the Governor was right or w rut g the subject was one which ought t o form the subject of Partiatrentary inve,fgation. He regretted that no lion. Member had thought it necessary to press for such an investigation t.t ihe time the report of the G - vernor was re;. , ,eivei. He was sorry to say that site then colony had been in a very disturbed state. Ia the spii-ig of 1840 the Governor hal thought it right, and I.? (Mr. Pakington) did not know how tar he was just;fied in so doing, to raise from the office of treasury to a scat in the Council a man respectable in his station of life must un doubtedly, but conspicuous fur his strong political feelings. In consequence of the vacancy occasioned thereby, an elec tion took place for the town of St. John in the course of last summer, and that occasioned another violent out- break of political excitement. The election was only carried on by the b tyonets of the soldiers, so great was the rioting and outrage that took place. In Decemter last there was ancth'r election, when the most serious riots and disturbances took }dace. A Ma- Ostratc in the execution of his duty was violently tar sailed, and a greet number of other persons either lost their lives cr were seriously injured ; several houses were also pulled doter. He was sorry to add, that from, the petition, which was that evening presented from the Chamber cf Commerce of Nevtfeundland, it appeared that the Legislative Assembly of that colony was not free from suspicion of beieg cognizant of that violent misconduct on the part of certain i idividuels. Bills of indictment were pending against those individuals, and, notwithstandirg that some of the members of the Legildve Assembly came forward as sureties for their appearance, and still retaised them in the service of the Assembly. Another charge was made against the Assembly for interfering i i the case of a person indicted for an outrage committed on a young person whose ears had been cut off. The Magis trates caused an inquiry to be made into the matter, and suspicion fell en the door-keeper of the House of Assem bly ; but that Assembly summoned the Magistrates before them, and caused an end to be put to the proceedings. He would call the attention of the House to the strongest ar guireet of all that could be advanced in favour of the views he was advocating—the speech of the Governor of the Colony on opening the present Session of the Legis lative Assembly. In that speech the Got ernor directed the notice of the Assembly to the scandalous mariner in which elections were carried on, and to the ferocious con duct of the Ferule on those occasions, and pointed out the neer ssity which in consequence existed fur the este bisartrent of a law which would tend to secure the puti;e peace, and the undisturbed exercise of the elf e ice franchise. The Governor also stated that he was an x •ous to press upon the attention of the Assembly the expeeiency of rendering the system adopted at elections es ear as possible to that of the mother country. Also that from the circumstance of the franchise being obliged to be exerc , sed undt r the protection of bey onets, and from the violence generally exhibit d on such occasions, Ire ; . eared that the inference woelel be justly drawn that the island was unfit to possess a Legislative institution, and that that ancient appanage of the British Crown was not duly prepared for watchir g over its own affairs by rneens of a general Assembly. It appeared that the House of Assembly was not satisfied with the conduct of the Governor, in sending an armed military force to Carbonmere, for they demanded documents from him in justification of his conduct. The answer of the Governor to the demand was the most singular document that had ever been placed upon record—in it he refused any docu meats in justification of his conduct, and he declared that if there were any renewal of the disgraceful riots at elections, he would not undertake again the responsibility of isscieg writs for the electien of members for a new Assembly, but would refer the whole matter to the Home Government, and set according to such orders as he might receive. It appeared to him, that if the Governor found it necessary to use such language, he was per fectly justified in the course which he had pursued. The statentents he had laid before the House were made by respectable parties, and the language used by the Governor gave it a character of truth. He might be asked whether in suggesting the inquiry, he was prepared to suggest any remedy for the evils complained of, whether he would advo cate the repeal or ebrogst on of the Constitution of Newfounclentl. He would enter the Cemrrittee he sought free from any prejudice or pledge ; distinctly with holding any Gpir.ion on the subjet in order that he might be free to form that opinion which the evidence might lead Idol to adopt. He was fully prepared ts admit that it was eery different thing to withhold thwra .t of a represen tetive Government, and to take away - Trom the colony the advantages of a free Consti otiose Nothing could justify the latter step but the strongest necessity, nor unless they found it impossible to create materials for a better Assem ble, and fur tire formation of a better constituency, could they attempt such a thin g ; but were that found inyeedble, then he hoped the Government would be prepared t) take sysn that course ; however, it could only be when no other remedy cculd adopted. He w, uld not further intrude upon the House. He had. as far as possible, avoided ma king personal charges. lie bed confined himself to a statement cf the appointment of a Commi t. e, and upon which he conceived it would appear to the House of Com mons and the country that the inquiry which he sought could not longer, either with prudence or with justice, be withheld. On these grounds he begged to move the ap pointment of a Select Committee. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said be had already stated that it was not his intention to oppose the . motion of the Honourable l‘iember for a Committee to inquire into the state cf the colony of Newfoundland. 'Thinking, however, that the evils which had arisen would not be allowed to remain if there was any power of nemovi rg Cleat in the existing Constitution, Ile had recommended the Governor to do everything in his peer to ensure the hi tier working of that Censtitution, and he had stated to him at the same time, that if he &died in this attempt, he (Lord J. Russell) would then cori,idrr it his einty to aaly to Parliament far a remedy. An ti ere were many circumstances connected with the co lony which deserved investigation, he should not have felt himself justified in opposing a motion for inquiry ; but he wished it clearly to be understood, that although he did not oppose the motion, arid was not prepared to stare w h at measures he should think it his duty to pre:pose, those mea sures would be founded upon the course which the Legir lature of Newfoundland had pursued, and upon the view which her Majesty's Government took of that course, whatever rri,;lit be the opitri in of the lion. Gentleman or the Commitice upon that subject. As it was impossible that Members should be fully informed on all the tran sactions ia each of the colonies connected with this country, it was very desirable that there should be a certain number of the Nismbers of that House conversant with the facts upon which the House were called upon to legislate. Ile could not egree to the appointment of this Committee, without stating that he di - rented from several of the general opinions which had been expteeeed by the Right H,n. Gcneeman. The Hon. Gentl man corsidered that the grantiug a con stitution to a population of 80,000 pe,sons in New foundland was premature. Now he (Lord J. Russell) was of a different opinion. Without eta i g his seati meats as te the franchise which had been given, as to the mode of electing Members, or the qualification required of them, he shoed i say that he still felt th it British sub jects in the situation of the inhabitants of Newfoundland were more likely to flourish—more likely to carry on their concerns for their own benefit and the advantage of the emli e a, 1 urge by having a popular Constitution than by b, hg !eft v, it bout one..—(Hear, hear.) He thought that i n general it would be advisable to grant as much as pos siVe free institutions to the subjects of the British Crown. He thought that they should not suspend these institu tions unless r n some particular grounds, such as in the opinion of the Govermaent existed in the case of Ja m.itet, although they had not obtained the mincurrence of the haute on that ore:Ilion, and he would nct then un dertake to eay elisther they were right or wrong in the matter. It war their babel at - the time that free insti tedious might not be fitted for a population just ernan pated from slivery, and that it would be advisable to ap point a geriod of transition. There were various other circumsturc F, such as the hostility between different races, under which it would be impossible to reckon on harmony in working a free Constitu tion. But still 1 e sheuld repeat that, in the case of a colony si uated like Newfoundland, it was most desirable to est iblish free institutions as soon as possible. The Go vernor ef Newfoundland had made some very strong state rrosete i n regard to tire working of the Constitution there, whieh the 'floe. Gemleenal opposite had referred to. 'Tigre were nitinv cenfideariel deepatehes on the subject, which he (Lord J. Russell) would not be able to lay be. fore the lime . ; but he would read the remarks made by the Governor of the colony a lear and a half ego, vvlen giving his opinion on the genera workirg of the Consti tutioa. The Noble L , rd then read an extuet, wlteli was to the following effect ;--" Alihough our leOlative insti. tutions have not been worked under favourable cinutn- stance s, yet 1 cannot agr+eTritho opinion that they 00g . .t ,t once to have been abolished in the midst of the con'es tentions, atimmitieF, and jealousies that would arise. The ch,lony of Newfoundland has advanced in many important pints since the year 1832, when the Colonial Assembly was first establisbel. This is manifest is the light-houses, roads, bridges, schools, &c., now in progress." So much fir the benefits derived from the system. Now the cases to which the Governor referred, the erection of bridges, e z r., were, in fact, the questions the most interesting and the most important to a colony situated like Newfound. land. They might have facts which would seem very strange a:cording to their notions of representatve go vernment—they night have votes of the Assembly, or pro ceeding of its members, which, accustomed as they were to the forms of a constiution estabished fcr centuries, lippcar very shcclumg, and such as to induce them to think it Letter to have no 4 frce constitutions at all. BLt he must utterly %co rather prefer th ese t v3s than endeavour to deny that infcrenco.—( Heir, Lear.) EL ulda es!ablish again anyihing like arbitrary government.. lie believed that although ti.ey m ight have a much simpler terns of gcv..remcr.t, tif they found the people scting c..ergy in their ow n b e h a lf—if they found them im provi:lg their public Works, and advancing gradually ii pro , pertiy, it vv::g better to endeavour to amend that Con s i utiou if they could, but by no means to abolish a re pr,sentative constitction as inimical to these ends— (Hear, ar)—and he should much doubt the attachment of a 1-IJuse of Commons to a representative constitution, which, wlt'iout very wrong grounds, should assent to any such proposition.—(Ch : era, and laughter.) He knew not whether it was intended t 4 sneer at the proceedings piopos,d b. the Government some tears ago, with regard to ti e Constit.ution of Jamaica—( Latighte. )--but that was a case which seemed to Lim to be an exception to all rules of this kind.—( Laughter.) The Assembly did not represent the peopl e; it had never pretended to leiresent the i e.)ple, but it represented a small mmor;ty called tie people, who were free, and not a vast majority who were slams; and the Parliament of this ecuntry faring declared th a t th ese s l a v e s s hould he free, there was gi eat danger of its being impossible to combine these two elements of a free constitution, without some susernsion of the whole constitution, and every thing that took plPcc tended to increase the doubt. But even with respect to this subject, he was by no means prepared to say that they (the Government) were entirely right in their proposal, because he certainly must admit that while he thought i: recessary to propose some measure upon the subject, 3et he had since seen, ia-the conduct of the Re preaentt.ve Assembly of Jamaica, a great desire to com bine the alvahtages of reprerentative government, with the pi ivileges of thet class to which they were supposed to be averse ; and he was, therefore, as far from being dis- plied to insist that the Government were right, a; that their adverea.i , s were wrong—( Hear, hear)—but, on the c ;ntrary, that example induced him to be more reluctant ie taking any steps towards adopting a similar measure.— ( Ilea.) He knew not that he need enter into the parli c tsars to which the lion. Gentleman had adverted. Thee had been no doubt great disorders in Newfoundland in one part of the year in particular, and one observation he had made on the conduct of the Government of Newfoundland was, that they had hardly been sufficiently prompt in re p; easing these disorders, because it was quite obvious that nothing but military force could repress the disorders which existe t, its defiance of all law whatever.—( Hear.) lie should not object to the inquiry proposed by the Hon. Gentleman, but he trusted that, now the Committee was greeted, he would postpone the nomination of it till I hursday next, as it was of great importance that House should well consider who should be the persons to be ap ['Anted on that Corronicee.—( Cheers.) They ought, a' tar as p ssib!e, to appoint a diseassionate Committee— ( Cbeers)—beeause the local animosities in Newfoundland were vet) , great, and those animosities would necessarily be iecreased if it were supposed that the House had ap poii.ted a Committee predetermined e:tber to support the A;serstbly ern the one hand, cr to condemn it on the otEe-. The Hon. Gentleman was likewise well aware t at there were religious atiarosities coneected with the sulA, and it was therefore the more important that obey should be careful in the selection of the members of that Committee. —( Cheers.) Mr. HUME hoped the inquiry would be conduced ei II the knowledge of the majority of the inhabitants of the, island; The party for whom the Hon. Gentleman appeared were, as far as he understood, the minority; and he hoped ample time would be allowed for the information cf the majority. Last year his, Hoe.. Friend the Member for Dublin ar:d himself had presented a petition from the majority of the island, complaining of grievances, and preying for inquiry. He was sure that those peitioners would not be sorry that this inquiry had been granted— but on tittle behalf he craved full and ample time, and doubted if it would be possible to give them proper notice during the present Session. He did not know who, 10- longing to the island, was at present in this country who could give information on the subject. He mentioned tUis, ciue the Hon. Gentleman had read a resolution rditing to the Chi ‘f Justice, and the Hon. Gentleman had pa d the CliA Justice a high compliment, as if his conduct had not been censured by the Government. The Hon. Gentleman ought to have stated, that after a full and fair inquiry before the Committee of the Privy Coun r cif in this country, although lie was acquitted technically, yte the acquittal wig accompanied by a recommendation that ho should not be allowed again to go back toNewfound land, and that showed that they were not alt ther satin with the Judge's conduct. Ile should have boon more satisfied if . these inquiries could ha pos.poned to text Seesion, in order to give the majority an opportunity of being made acquainted with their proeee3ings, Mr. M J. O'CONNELL thought it was most unjust to the colony to have these stetements made without Itly anseer being given on the other side. One point the Hon. Member had omitted to altr, namely, the exelu ive preierence that had been given to persons professing a re ligion different from that established in the colony, It ap a waled that out of 19,0001, paid annually for the salaries of public offnes, 18,000/. was so distributed, and that was one of the great causes of the di.,content in the colony, He thought it extremely advisable that the liousts of As sembly should have an opportunity afforded them of mak. ing their statemem, and he suggested, therefore, that the lion. Member do pospone his Committee till after Easter. Mr. PAK INGTON said it was his negation to hand in the names of the eftNo the ebe Committee that eveLitig, and to move their appointment en Thursday in conformity with the tug gTee motion was agreed to, POOR-LAWS. _ On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, the House thee went into Commit'ee on the Poor-law Amendment 1. Mr. BERNAL in the Chair. On clause 10 being read, Mr. COL CI UllO U N, pursuant to notice, rose to move that at the end of the clause thete be added, " Provided always, that in the said combined parish or union schools fer tie infant poor, a cha e l sin of the Church of England shall be appointed, who shall be empowered to regulate ;el superintend the instruction and training of the chil dren," excepting where a dlfferenee if creed existed, and where the parent or parents of the child objected to in struction being given by the clergyman of the Established Church, and in such ease it shall and may be lawful is such combined school, for any licensed minister cf the religious persuasion cS the child, at times specified by the Board of Management, to attend and afford religious in struction to such child or children, provided always that such appointment receive the sanction of the Bishop of the Diocese. Dr. LUSEIINGTON said that whatever objections :night be made on the part of certain persons to the ap poietment of a chaplain fur these schools, he (Dr. Lush iegton) was satisfied of the necessity for such appointment. lie was no advocate fur imposing upon the Dissenters any additional contributions for the maintenance of a Chu ch from which they conscentimsly differed in re'igieus opition ; but he beli e v e d most confidently, though he had had no communicaion with any of the Dissestieg bodies upon the snbject, that so attached were tl ey in heart, in feeling, and in principle to the union of r.ligious in siructbm with secular education, that ra' her than ace two or three hundred children belonging to the United Church of England and ' , Aland left to secular instruction only, or to a chance religious instruction, they would sacrifice their fe 'hugs and their convictions as Dissenters front the Established Church.—( Hear, hear.) He (Dr. L.) en. tinily assented, therefore, to the proposition for the ap pointment of•a chaplain. But ha hoped, at the same rime, that the duties of the chaplain would be strictly confined to the inst:uction of those who properly belonged to him, namely, to those children who had been brought up in the faith and the doctrines of the'Church of Eng land ; and thrt his instructions would neither directly ner indirectly be extended to those who honestly dissented from the Church.—(Hear, bear.) He believed that the Dissenters would receive this proposition not merely with out reluctance, but with great satisfaction, if it were ap pli,d be such a spiiit ; and he hoped that if they did so te ctiye it, when their feelings upon other subjects came to be discussed in that House, they would find that such conduct had been duly weighed and justly appreciated.— Hon. Member fur Kilmarnock, it ( Hsas, Lear.) Regarding the subject in this point of vie w, t t o hc go infinitely further than it ought to confessed that when he first consideted the original amend ydifficulties and exciting many religious least, though t t h h o a u t g l h vhich ;flag raising aa es r id o r proposed s om e d ahni my b prejudices by the sweeping and comprehensive terms in which it was worded. The clause then before the House not perhaps in sub was cot iginally d and contained a great variety of additional mat ter,propose , r d himself unable which L e con fe ssed entirely to compre hend. It first proposed the appointment of a chaplain, and secondly, that the s w t a a s n , ce i:t t t l: tal w ly ord d i i n ff g ere a o t t a ppointment should be sanctioned by the diocesan. To both these propositions he assented. How ever liberal might be his opinions with respect to those who dissented from the Church of England, he had ever strenuously maintained the superintendin g power of the diocesan in all matters connected with the Church of Eng land. lie thought that no clergyman should be appointed to so important a trust without the sanction of the Bishop. derstood the matter, the Ho n . G e ntl e man If he rightly un s . s had taken certain provisions if the old Poor-law as the basis for protecting from all violation the religious scruples (f Catholics and others who dis:ented from the Church. tie was not altog eller satisfied with the mode in which the Hon. Gentleman bad in that respect framed this clause, and his objection to it was one upon whi c h, i n hi s op i n i on , the fa•e of the clause would Ultimately depend. Wh a t w as the object to be effected? They all agreed that those who belonged to the Veited Church of England and Ireland should be placed under the religious instruction of the chaplain ; but the difficulties were twofold—fisst, to ascer tain who belonged to that Church, and secondly to devise a protection for those w ho differed from it. With respect to the first of these difficulties, he doubted whether the Hon. Gentleman had e xpressed himself in terms suffici ently clear. He admitted that the great majority of children in these unions would be members of the Church of Eng land ; and that tl - :ey had a right to assume, when no , hirg appeared to the Contrary, that the children belonged to tte Church, all he was not satisfied with this part of the chase. He bad appiebended, as was the Cale with the omen zr, en t originally proposed, that the Hon. Member sv:u'd, instead of intruducing the subject ir:to this have r;:surveci it for further consideration in a subsequent stage if the Bill, and after mature reileciion ani consideration. In such. a matter they stmuld proceed with the greateti.t caution. The subject would always be inv:ltted in c:risiderable difficulty. But, notwitlw.auding the difficulty wl,i,2h must be fel: in laying down an and the unurtainties which must exist from the very nature of the subject, they should ende svour to adept that principle, and to lay down that rule, which for the most part would be con sistent with truth and justice. Now, assuming the general propos tion thst the children should be taken as belong ing to the Church, he thought the exception proposed was not broad enough to meet the difficulty. It took the case of a parent, and it said that the surviving parent —of course wl ile both alive—the father should have a right to state is what religion he wished his chili to be instructed. It even went further, and said godfatler and godmother. Now, he contended that this exception was totally inadequate. lie would suppose the case of three or four orphan chiPrsn, «hot parents bad been of the Catholic faith, and who so far as initia te ry tights could discover their intension, must be ielsrrect to h..ve intendsd to thing them up in their own fehle To instruct those children because they hapeeeed to be orphans totally destitute of parental care and authority, in any other faith than that is which their parents lived and iled, would be in his opinion a siolation of the first principles of religious freedom. Therefore, lie canteeded that the exception was not sufficient, and that they - 'oust establish some other principle than that contained in the clause. The relations of the chid, whe ther Bapti.t, Independent, or Roman Catholic, should be allowed to come forward and state in what faith the child had Leen instructed. Upon these grounds, he objected to that pelt of the clause. He hoped ,hat the subject would be postponed for the present, until a clause had been framed, which upon just and reasonable principles should provide, as far as human wisdom and ingenuity could pro vide, for all these exigencies. Taking the old Poor-law as his gut le, the Hon. Gentleman had next provided for the access cf religious instructors to children who had not bsen brought up in the Church of England. To that proposition he entirely acceied, concecing all circum stances would permit to those who dissented from the Established Church. If they called upon the Dissenter to contribute to the support of a chaplain of the Church of England, the Dissenter had at least a right to demand the fullest and fairest opportunity of educating paupi r children, whose parents were Dissenters, in the principles of their own faith. Entertaining thts view, he had en deavoured to frame a clause which was in ac corlance with it, though it did not materially differ from Ciat of the Honourable Gentleman. He would now take the liberty of reading it to the House. lie had framed a clause providing that a chaplain should be appointed, for the purpose of furnishing religious in struction, according to the doctrines of the Established Church, to all children belonging to that Church, pro vided that such chaplain should in no wise interfere with the religious instruction of any child belonging to any other religious persuasion ; and that it should be lawful fur any licensed minister of any religious persuasion, at any reasonable time in the day, to instruct such children is the principles of his religion.—(Elear.) They were now about to legislate for the poor of this country, and and he would not confer upon them even the boon of a good education by the violation of still more sacred prieci ples.—( Hear, hear.) Unless prejudices were raised against the system, he had no doubt of its ultimate suc cess. He would go the whole length of the Hon. Baro net, and say, that in the case of the mother of a natural child, he never would consent to take her child from her— ( Hear, hear)—thinking' that no object, however bright or holy, ought to induce them to violate the natural affection of a mother for her child. He had now stated his views on this subject, and he asked both sides of the House, seekirg. as they all did, the benefit and adeamage of the poor— (Hear, hesr)— to set at defiance the foul outcry agaiast the attempt to confer upon them this ir estimable berefis. He trusted there was not to be f lend in the walls of that House ore man so übject a slave to ava-ice, so totally destitute rf all human feelings, as to vote for this measure with the simple view of diminishing the poor-rate without retard to the blessings that it con'erred upon the people. lie should have rej sicsd if they could have so framed the clause as to combine in uaiversal harmony and contentment the Churchman, the Catholic, and the Dissenter ; and so as fa assure the poor, and also all people of this country who were truly religious, that they had nothieg mote at heart than the sound religious education of the people.—( Hear, hear.) Lord TEIGNMOUTH said he had listened to the speech of the Hon and Learned Gentleman with grey - i pleasure, but there acre some pa:ts of it from which he was compelled to dissent. He thought that in this country, where these was a Church by law established, all whose religion was not known, or who were indifferent on the subject, might be assumed to belong to it, and brought up accordingly in its doctrines. He thought the Hon, and Learned Gentleman had overrated the daculties of this questi in. In the parish in which he resided, and which contained 153,000 inhabitants, the whole education of the poor was under the superintend ence of a chaplain of the Church of England; and though no child could be taught the Church Catechism if the pa resits objects] to it, the chaplain informed been Lord Teignmouth) that no objection ',Lod 'ppm snide curing the whole time he held the Office of chaplain. The mistress of the girls' school, who had filled that situation for 16 ve;ra, and the had an average of lias children under her eberge, had Liio told him that she never knew an instance of any child or pareet objecting to instruction in the :'ranee chisin of the Church cf Eaglarld, , jn a l,s w er tc, 6,, oisservattUn Iroise Lord S AND ON, Dc. I, USHINGTQN said that his only wi h was to provide for the education cf children who we - e not mem t hers of the EstaVished Church. jr, W, G LADSTONE wished to know how the Right lion. Gentleman would proceed, in th e case if a child received into the workhouse who had no Lear rela. tives alive, but the belief of where parents was known to have been different from that of the Established Church. Dr. LUSHINGTON said that he should assume, in the first instance, that the children goirg to school in a workhouse belonged to the Church of England, but he thought that not only the wishes of a chil a's parents or natural guardians should be consulted with regard to its education, but that they should go farti er, a:though he was not prepared at the moment to say to what exteet, and le eve a just and fair opening for the interference of those who were int rested in the welfare of the child. But if no body e, hatevee interfo•ed, it might be taken for granted tha_ the child belonged to the Established Church. Mr. COLQU li 0 UN had noobjection to substitute the words " natural guardians" for the words " godfathers and godmothers," but he could not eonsent to the alteration proposed by the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman. Dr. LUSHINGTON explaieed. Lord S AN D 0 N thought the immediate relatives of an orphan child might have a right of objection, but he was not disposed to extend the right further, Mr. HAWES said many Dissenters objected distinctly to Le appointment of a paid chaplain. If these chaplains acre to be paid out of the poor-rate, they were establishing a totally different mode of paying the cler4y. He strongly opposed it, because this additional draue,ht of money from the people for the clergy came just at the time whoa a million and a half had been added to the revenues of the clergy by the Tithe Commutation Act. Why should not the workhouse be considered as part of the parish? The Dissenting and Catholic mi sisters discharged the duties gratuitously, and why should not the Church of England clergy ? If they were to be paid, they should be paid out of some other fund than the poor-rive. Did they mean tle,A the whole education, secular and religious, of the children, was to he placed entirely in the heeds of the c'ergy ? Were they competent to give secular instruc ti ,n ?—(Ch err.) Rather than have such a proviso, he wculd reject the clause altogether. the pa)ieg the chaplain out of the poor-rate would be bringing all the feelings against the Church-rate to bear against the poor-rate. There were sources out of which a chaplain might be paid, and it was not the fault of that House that those sources had not long since be ea made avai ab'e. lie protested against the proviso of the Hon. Gentleman, and he should certainly divide the Committee on the question. Lord J. RUSSELL was free to confess that there was great force in the argument of the Hon. Gentleman, that, unless a chaplain were appointed, these schools, consisting of 330 or 400 children, would be left without regular re ligious instruction, and that they were bound to provide regular religious instructors for them. So strong had that difficulty been felt the', when the school at Norwood was established, the Commissioners who had spoken to him on the subject, had considered it advisable to appoint a chap lain at Norwood. He did not object to the principle of the Hon. Gentleman's clause so hr as the appointment of chaplain was concerned. The Hon. Member fur Lambeth had started an objection which he (Lord J. Russell) thought of the utmost importance. The Hon. Gentleman opposite proposed that the chaplain should have the power of regulating and superintending the religious and seeula- instruction of the children. There was one proviso in the clause, which it appeared to him (Lord J. Russell) would have the effect of placing the whole instate ion in the hands of the chaplain. That was not the case at Norwood, nor in the establishments which had been formed by the Poor-law Commissioners. In the docu ment which had been referred to by the Hon, Gentle men, that of Dr. Kay, it was stated that the chaplain gave religious instruction during cer.ain hours, and also paid attention to the general morals of the scholars ; but saith regard to the general mode of instruction the Commis sioners said that from all their acquaintance with the dif ferret modes of instruction adopted in this country it ap peared that the young men in the establishments at Glas. gow were instructed in the most advanced and improved anodes of education, and that it was desirable to obtain young men from those establishments who could be employed in the instruction in this school.—(Hear, hear.) That method was accordingly adopted. The Hon, Gentle man proposed that a clergyman should be empowered to regulate and superintend the instruction and training of these children. There were many learned persons who entirely disapproved of the new systems of education, and who if they had the power would recur to the methods in use half a century ago. He could not think that the Hon. Gentleman, who was so well acquainted with the whole snhject of education, wished to see such a result. Unless the word " religious" were inserted before instruction, and the word " training" left out, he must object to the clause. He would not object to the addition of the proviso, with the omission of these words, on condition that it should he left open to the lion. Member for Lambeth, cr any other Member of the House, when the clause was printed, to bring the subjcc before the House. Mr. LANGDALE had no objection to the appoint ment of a chaplain of the Church of England ; but he wished the protection extended further than had been proposed. The 19th section of the osiginal Yoor-law re quired some one to object to the education of the child in the religion of the Established Church. But suppo - e the case of a child of twelve or fcurtecn years of age, who had no parents, but whet heel bre fully instructed in rioters e elijous faith, should that illild he compelled to (abandon the religious faith in which be had been educated ? In order to meet this case, he 'would propose to add these words, " or to the express wish of the orphan." The cases would be ‘xtretnely rare in which children would avail themselves of that protec ticn. The child r,wt have been fully taught in all the principles of its raligior, and be fully impressu.¶l with their importance, Flu could rat scc, therefore, r. bit objection could be made to the addition of these words. 'Where the orphan was of an age to make an objection lie s.hould be allowed to do se. Sir H. VERNEY said it appeared to him that the amendment of his Hon. Friend was perfectly trunoccssary. The board of guardians had at present the power of ap pointing chap!ains of every religious denomination, and it was proposed by the clause then before the Hause to con fer the same power upon the board of management of schools. He thought it therefore quite unnecessary. Mr. WARD would strongly impress upon the Com mittee the necessity of postponing the clause.—(Herr, hear.) lie did not think they were in a position at pre sent to legislate with due discretion upon the subject. In the case proposed by his Hon. Friend the Member for Knatesborough be thought a portion of the fords set apart for tl.e payment of chaplains should be appropriated to tl e purpo xithout leavirg the matter to the discretion of the board of management, otherwise they would have a strog,, - le similar to that which had taken place With regard to Church•rctes. It was impossible that the people would consent to the payment of a Poor rate which was to be applied exclusively to the religious education of members of the establishment. Under thee cireumsta - .es, he trusted the clause would be postponed. The CHAIRMAN said after they had begun. to amend a clause it could not to postponed. Mr. BLACKSTONE was also in favour of the post pcnement of the clause, and if that coull not be done, be hoped some Hon. Member would move its rejection. He thought the subject required great consideration. Mr. SLANE Y said the Committee had very nearly agreed upon the terms of the amendment, and be did not think it judicious to interfere at such a moment with a suggestion to postpone or stiikc out the clause. After a few words from Lord SANDON, Mr. GLADSTONE thought it was but right to vest a discretion in the board of management, because in some cases a child might not be the most competent judge of what its religious belief was, while in others it might be much incre competent to declare its own religious belief than an adult for it. He trusted there would be no post ponement of the clause. Mr. H A WES said the Committee bad been taken is son .e measure by surprise, inasmuch as the printed amend- ' ment of the Hon. Member for Kilmarnock was totally silent as to the appektment of chaplains of other re'ig;oua persuasions, which had been subsequently added. He thought that formed a very proper ground fur the post ponement of the clause. Mr. T. EGERTON would remind the Hon. Member fsr Lambeth that the clauso had been discussed for some hours during the previous night, and therefore it could not be saia that the Committee was taken by surprise. 1 , ap peared to him that in point of principle they were hound to see that their paupers received a religious education, and that that instruction should be in conformity with tie Church as by law established in that country. Lord J. RUSSELL was ready to agree to the proviso with the amendment as it at present stood, leaving it to the Hon. Member for the Tower Hamlets and for Knares borough to introduce their limitations at a subsequent pe riod. It would be extremely injudicious, in his opinion, after having partly discussed the clause, t) move its re jection. Mr. HAWES put it to Hon. Gentlemen, did any of them anticipate that his Hon. Friend's proviso included the payment of chaplains? All his printed amendments were silent on that point, )et in his written amendments it was introduced. In fairness to the rate-payers he would object to that course, and would take the sense of the House upon it. Mr. COLQUHOUN said his o-iginal motion wal to appoint chaplains to the schoul=. lle giver could have imagined that the services of literate men—men of educete tion—would be expected to be given without their rcceiv irg any salary. That was a proposal he never could have imagined would have b: en laid Lefore the Commit:cc, Mr. WARD was willing to adopt the clause, if the Hon. Gentleman inserted the words '• to be provided for by pro portionate payments out cf the poor-rates." Ile ( Mr. Ward) merely wished to provide funds for the payment of the salaries of the chaplains aeco , ding to the numerical pre, portion of the children of the various st=ets to whom reli gious instruction was %o be given, Mr, HUME said it appeared to him that a great deal was said about payment of chaplains. Now, he saw no reason why thole schools should not be built in the neighbours hood of the workhouses, so that the clergyman of the workhouse might attend the Opining school. There clergymen for gaols—clergymen for workhouses— clergymen for schools; why, it appeared to him that there was a deluge of blackcoats wasting away the pro perty of the country. He proposed that the question of payment be postponed, Strangers were tha ordered to withdraw, and rho House divided, when there appeared— _ For the proviso Against it lajority in favour of Mr. Ward's proviso... 87 Mr. TOWNLEY PARKER, objected to the entire clause, because by perceived in it the strongest symptoms of perpotuating the power of the Poor-law Commissioners. He had from the first given his opposition to everything tending to increase the power of the Commi=siouers, which thc,tt would most essentially do. It he could but get the assistance of one Hon. Member, he would divide the House on the clause. Mr. DARBY hoped his Hon. Friend would not divide the time ctt t , tis questiA. Ile (Mr. D.) confessed himself thr.t ha did not think the largest schools the best. If the small schools had proper superintendents, they would be, in I.is opinion, far superior to the large ones. If a dis ere,lonary power was not vested in the board of guar.- dians, there would be two classes of schools—the large sohools and the small ones. He thought his Honour able Friend would do tett , a to wait till he should see what would become of the other clauses, on which the operation of the present one very much depended. Mr. C RIMSDITCII said, that he quite agreed that the establishment of &strict schools for the education of children was a desirable thing, but he thought this clause would be wholly inoperative. It should be made the sub ject of separate legislation, This clause provided that the Commissioners should fix the sciaties of the chaplains, which was an insult upon the local board:, who were quite as competent so fit it. He thought the clause so bad in principle, that he should oppose it, Mr. WAKLEY thought the clause, as it now stood, would give great offence, and quite agreed with the last speaker that this was a subject of sufli eient importance for separate legislation.—( Hear, bear.) This cause gave the Commissioners additioual power and pa'ronage, and seemed to contemplate the perpetuity of the Commission, but the feeling against it was increasing so strongly that it would be quite impossible for the House much longer to withstand it. With reference to the cle gy, he thought their conduct towards the poor, since the intrcduction of the Poor-laws, entitled them to the gra titude and admiration of the country.—( Hear. ) After a few words from Mr. Gisborrie and Mr. Fielders against the clause, and from Mr. Elawes and Mr, P. Howard in general support of it, the House divided, when the numbers were— For the clause Against it Maj)rity in favour of the clause —lO5 Sir H. FLEETWOOD then moved an amendment to the effect, that the rules and regulations relative to the education of children in workhouses be published, and that parents should have the power of visiting the schools. Mr. F. M AULE expressed a belief that the subject was one which it would be advisable to leave to the di:- o‘etion of Commissioners. Sir R. PEEL thonght that it would be very desirable to allow the schools to be used, whenever that could be conveniently done, for the education not only of the work house children, but for the children of the poor in the neighbourhood.—( Hear, hear.) Me. GOULBU RN thought that such a system could not well come within the scope of the Act. Sr R. PEEL merely proposed that the power of giving the extended education which he suggered should be a discretionary power vested in the Commissioners. He would not define what were the circumstances under which the education he proposed should be given; he would not say, for instance, whether parties should not be obliged to make some payment for the education of their children. Mr. FOX :11AULE said that after the explanation given by the Right Hon. Baronet, he felt disposed to accede to his views, and he should bring forward, at a future period, a clause embodying his recommendation. After some further conversation, the amendment was withdrawn. The clause as amended was then ordered to stand part of the Bill. Clauses 12, 13, and 14, were struck out. On clause 15 being par, Sir ROBERT PEEL said it was necessary to devise some principle of contribution, or they would never be able to carry the plan of district schools iota effect. They would never be able to devise any scheme of contribution to which four-fifths of the guardians would assent. Colonel WOOD wished to know whether the contribu tions ware to be lesied for the erection of the school houses, the maintenance of the children, or the expenses of the establishment. Mr. FOX NI AULE said in the first instance they would have to calculate the propo , tion each union would have to contribute to the erection of the building, and next to the contribution each would lii.ve to pay towards the maintenance of the children, and the expenses of the estas blishment, such contribution to be regulated by the num ber of children sent by each union. He should propose a clause regulating these contributions. Sir H. VERNE Y thought, as this was a part of the system of national education, it was but fair that a portion of the expense should be borne by the nation. Mr, G. PALMER thought the subjtet of education had better be made the subject of a separate Bill. n 'l d h i e Commissioners were appointed only for that was impossible they could establish these schools time. He objected to the educating together the children not. of those who were paupers and those %Ndhobewaedrme five years.ina itted He thought none but pauper children shout . themselves degraded by being sent there. _ to those, as those who were not paupers might think Sir R. PEEL had always intended that . pauper children should have the preference of admission into those schools, bet is hen there we: e vacancies, when a considerable portion of the building was unoccupied.... —when the chaplain and the s choolmaster had a consider able portion of their time unemployed, he thought it ex. ceedingly desirable that the children of those who were not paupers might, on the payment of a moderate sum, have an opportunity of procuring education for their ch I. dram Benevolent persons residing in the rdghbourlio-d would be frequently found glad to furnish the rcu ,,, u m pro enable them to attain this object, s N i-.l,i i, in _ l . gto re spect, he considered a most des;raisle one. He mustesery test against the doctrine laid down by the Hon. for Ip',:sex, that Hon. Gentleman would in fact establish eider it degradation to come into contact ,s. shawl the privileged class among the pocr—a class who e li s o t u al .l "h i e l on s immediately below them. It was introducing into c ih a i: country all the social inconveni . suces of a state of sLvery. It was, in fact, karoclaimi.g teat paukerivu, kas degrada. =dlX -s'~.~ - -- `IEIN LNG EDITIO Aik,, ^gainst wii;cla all in that Hausa bad so tinn—a doctr!tle --- • frequently prot,,.A . " „, ~ "Liined. Mr. G. PAL A C" " 4- A Cut ti.../1 elan° •should- t cestc... ! ~ e M. DARBY su,_ ' withdra:vn. would Lei, t6trike the clause out, Mr. FOX MAULE L el . clause, regal, " in g t he pro but wt;ulti introduce e.noti. portion of the cor.t , itaitio:lF. • , ~ ~,, ei .l , , - nisEionerg Lo-d JOIIN RUSSELL c" 1 ' '" '''' -.• ef the had t.ot the power of regulistir V the propartioh contributions, they would be ohlced to come to 1. Lord STANLEY objected to meat main to regulate the contricnttons. . ',Hitt termining the pro;4orti,,n of tl.4' sior.e:s with the pacer of layieff .down the principle (. 10 * eltUustir,g the Cortlh. contributions. The' principle should be laid down by 1., w; and the Commie. sioncrs might then apply the pi,, c ill, - .., and unless the Noble Lord would consent to acme ' s Ich prevision, he should feel very much inclined to vote f'l" the rejection of the clause. 1. ri J. RUSSELL bad to objection to tie irtrodue tim of words t) tat 111 r. TO \VNLEY PA R.K E begtzei to ask the Noble Lord whether this cisme had rot been made with ,vf . eretce to the perpetuity of the Poor. law Conand;sioners Lcri JOIN RUSSELL said not to his knowli-dge, The chute as an coded was then agreed tc. Cause 16 was then agre Al to. On clause 1 7 being proposed, Sir. GROTE proposed an amendment, the ol,jf.,et of which was to invel,t the Commizsioners, under the Same restricti:ms a; ae c contained in the lOth c!alse, with the poxer of comLini,,g the three unions 4.f tha City of Lon don for the special purpose of providing a . si a ate union fa the re.i4 and the setting to work 4.f.casual and de.Ai tote poor. The lion. Member said that in the City of London, wi Inn the wails, there was no workhouse. It tuns customary to give one shilling to those who applied for re lief. The applications were numcrouq,:ind numbers of teese who reet>iv4:4l relief aldavits, applied for admission to the List London and West London workhouses. 245 prisoners bad claimed and received admission into the West London workhouse. within a single week, consisting chiefly of very disorderly and notorious clia-actcrs. Tha object of his proposal was to remove, as fir as possible, the evils which attached to such a system. Colonel SII3I'IIORP opposed, and moved that ilL.s clause be expunged. Mr. B. WOOD said there were oth_T parishes than thee in the city of London which would like the provision moved by the lion. Member for London. After a long coi.v.•rsaton to p eti• g the establishment of a penal workhouse fot lewd womcn. General JOHNSON sail after we had bridewelie, housss of correction, &e., cettainly would vote eg •inst the clause. M. G ROTE said the clause did Oct provide fir my means of coercion. The cprestiun r.as rne:ely heiher those poor creatures sheult h:.vo the power of corrupting the other inmates of the workbou;e. Colonel Sll3l'lloll4' said the cause WAS so arbittas fiat he shuuld cortzinly vote against it. On •the queation !lilt the clatve, as amended, stied putt of the Bill, the [louse divided, slice there appearc.l - f_vour of the clause Again.t it MAjor:ty —l2l On clause 1S being proposed, Mr, FIE LDEN moved that tLe ChP:aman do report progress ; upon which, taw a short conversLtion, the [Luse divided— For the motion lB Agri it Majority again , t th? motixt On our return to the gallery, Lord G. SOMERSET said. that he dal several im portant amendments tl popose to the next clause. A shat convo:sation ensued, during which several Mem bers stated that they had amendments to propete, and ob jected to iroceeThg further with the Bill tba.. evening. Lord J. RUSSELL said that such. being the cane, he would postpone the clause. The House thea resume& ail Chairman reported pro grep, and obtained leak to t•it again f'n Thursday. On the mot'ou of Mr. FOX M AUL E the Bill wtnt liirough (>)mmittee. hff, FOX NI lULE moved for leave .o bring in a 13:Il f.)r :egulating the employment of c1.. - tdren in silk factories. The other 0rdr2.1 , 8 of the i.ia) were the.: dispoF.cd and the flousc adjourn,;,-,1 at t MANAGEMENT OF FOALS AFTER Vik:ANING. The prineipal object with most breeders is to have their stock large and porw!rfal at an early age. It is really wonderful wind may be done towards effecting this by means of good food judiciously supplied, proper shelYer, and liberty of range in favourable weather. It is natural to suppose, when a foal is first taken from its dam, that it will in SOlllO degree fail away in condition aad lose flesh ; the nutritive properties of its " mother's milk" cannot be taken from it without affecting its yet tender constitafou. To guard reoinst this every attention roust be directed to the quality as well as quantity of food which is presented to it ; that which contains mast nourishment must be pro%ided, and although the bulk of hay which a foal consumes is very trifling, it should be of tee best quality. I have seen lair,loin hay used with very great success, tut I behove there are many kinds of soil which are net suitable to its production ; at least I judge - so front the fact that there are many counties in which it is not grown, although I would by all u:eaus recommend its trial on dry sound, laud. For foils when tl - ,ey are first weaned, linseed gruel should be their constant beverage, and indeed it cannot he too highly recommended for all horses. A liberal allowance of oats is like . iSC necessary ; foals, if in health, cat at kast two qua-terns per day ; as they itlefeaSe is ag , ', this allowance may be augmented. The seeds is►chaos are left frotu tie linseed gruel should be given with the corn. I have previously recommended the pract•ce of bruising the oats, and must ecrtanly report it even in opposition to, the arguments of sortie persons who are averse to it. Bran-mashes may be given at teat once a-week, and in some instances more frequently. Carrots will likewise be found a %cry proper food for young stock, and should be given once or twice a-day., Too long a continuance of the same food cloys the ap petite. A man would not like mutton chops every day of his life ; and doubtless the variety of aliment which Provide:ice has presented to us, with a desire for occa sional change, is the greatest assurance that such a change is conducive to health. Boiled barley is found to be very nutritious food, and most horses are very fond of it. As an alterative it may be given with great advan tage, it foals do not consume their earn with their usual appetite. It requires to be well boiled for two or three hours in a swan quantity of water, frequently reple nishing it that the grain may not burn, and constantly :frring it that every cern may undergo an equal pro cess may be considered sufficiently boiled whoa the corns have burst, and, when given, should have sr. 1 We bran or finely-cut hay mixed with it. About ten days cr a fortnight after they are weaned, each foal should - have a geate dose of physic—one drachm to a drachm and a halt of aloes, with a drachm of Castile soap, and the same quantity of ginger, will ge nerally be found sufficient. At all events it is desirable, to commence with a mild dose, and thereby a:certain the animal's constitution : ,t is much better to give a stroeger dose in a week's time if requisite than to overdo the mark at first. Strong purgati‘ei are :hays objectionable, especially for young stock ; and it tt ey are prepared as they ought to bt for two days previously with plenty cfsloppy bran.. „,she;, and very little hay, a moderate quantity of lots will g enerally produce the required effect. The d;:y after the physic Las been given tl.e foals should run out in the paddock for a short time if the weather be fine, in order to work it off end take away the sekuess ; and an attend ait should be at hand to keep them moving about, not by any means to hurry them and cause th.m to ga lop and overheat themselves, hilt merely to keep them in motion until the physic has operated, when they may be returned into their hovels.—Old Spurting Magazine jor Fcbruary. dividend of ::* al- TRAVELLING.—The Great Western Railway nil' positively be open to Cirencester on Monday, the 26th of ro:xt month. The journey from Cheltenham to London. t d ai c i rinn i i , o h di t, commodious w ill Ilea be performed infour hours and a-hay. THE ST. GEORGE'S CHESS CLUB.—This c e .. hundred strol , , a g i , la,ii nli gb d uele t , t a ire, vr rnts h wan i iic. : :: 1 .hilved Club, n early one many persons of distinction.Lelong, is now attLehed ta the a pi iv:d g e nto an he obtained his certi apat uncut having been prepared for the accommodation or the namlars. 11,, al Polytechnic Institution, In the Insolvent Debtors' Court on Monday. 1 eration far vrWelt no consideration to contract s lv n i C nu i 1 , a 0. : l si ti l 3 . a u c;cps t I psect e ,le; r o , :mrpe w i rpl b ,iiif o eidoo w tr . a o, ch s ri be d ees e ax s aja c dd r nm i i h i i, e taka d t et examination, c e d l i a to s trstim were e, i ti paillB3 6 , than once entcred. the insolvent , ofiaTbctbtaTaieln.kliu:iPrh:brs c, rt fi. ate in I 527, had contrived .t, who had 'I h? insole e:.t had lived at Tonb ni. ore debti to 9,4 301 ; ceivd, 5.7E61 ; and LOGO/. was fintlly now resided. Ile had Si . ridge Wells, where his had 700/ a-ye.ir. The Chi e f c x ch il dten and his wife: i t was a very discredit &die tole ornmissioner declatcd that dule. were Messrs. Parry, l in The proposed bail endr opposition was made, on the apers, on Ludgate-hill. Art to the description of th •le part of a Mr. L. Samuels, at nriisioner asked ere of their Effidi , v.t , . The Chief Corn c.ircer the them whether he had known 'd i e insolvent twice a had pursued, that be bad been extravag.nee, as bankrupt , and had led a boundless nurse of The pr,paei bail had appeared from the present. exposure, answered that be knew the insolvent had been a bankrupt. tt e „ ice ~.,,r The Court ever,,,,uail y adjourned I a weAt, to amend the aSidl,vits, and said he would lit.ve every information for '..,reditors LeEro such & titian as the insolvent was per...aided to go out On bail; k very much daubted vrtlotber, in the exercise of h e be discretion in the Court, the ins olvent should the di k: ,, charged on bd.!, Pope Pius 1,1,—A few days after, the M rs. SA - inhume was presente d to him, and took children, as he came up 'rem hit day. tion; i n thecha p el the sacrament mad e the chil at St. Peter's. She - dren kiss hfs fec i. He then hel d it out for he to lisp, 4 , 1 ,1 saett day he relit her som e t ,.,,h a-,d stones if oriental agate. ceremonies IA WI mu c h r Very beautiful He performs all li . grace, and appe ars ',O have prac lised and stunied his actiJus before he ez,omes out of his mow. lie is very proud of his lc g 4 ryd feet, and wears h i s gown short to show .n i' ein.—Sse t nb arne 's Courts of Europe. J -%,"