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f °'• 7 if: 's :6gi o ti„atrates,could corne,ont of it free from A "e and with honour. Did any man ever go to i t and Jury with a charge of rape or murder, 1; lri no other g rounds than that he believed the t E , llO n - • Iwould out of his trial . nnocent, ant come ao . d unhurt 'l—(A laugh.)—lt had been said ofst t he Prince Regent, acting tinder the advice " Majesty's Ministers, had thanked the Yen delve, of Manchester for sabreing and cutting athe people. This was not true. The Prince eal gent had thanked them for dispersing the peo es. great blame had also been cast on the Royal ` e elt for having omitted all expression of re • e t at the lives which had been lost at Man el"er. No blame, however, was to be attach ,,,e(ln this account ; and he would tell them why at lt z would have been a proof of bad taste in his :"J'sty't I'dinisters to have admitted any expres . of that kind into the Speech from ; for who could seriously question that his y, the father of his people, did not regret of every life that occurred ?—(A laugh ) • `"' G I • l alluded On. is eman, cone esion, the dismissal of Lord Fitewilliatn, for which e nifiended Ministers were entitled to the thanks tt ` v et 3 . honest man. ikl a th. • Wuoseateoeee rose, he said, solely for purp ose o f correcting a misinterpretation slle cu had been given to what he had said re "ing the intention of the mob to set fire to to t own of Manchester. He had never said that l st 0 s " lime of the Meeting of the 16th of August ti ' s, there existed any such intention. The pre kil,ernearsing of what had fallen front him on that Oect was as follows : that havtnt been on the r nruittee on the State of the Nation for the h" 1. 1817, he had means of ascertaining, that it " a t that period a part of the plan of the Meet :44 which took place at Manchester two years • , to wa i t t h e corning of evening to set. fire to ie tow') in three or four different parts, and to il r qt by the contusion which would thereby en effect their objects of rapine and plunder, Ctrl in the hopes that it might otherwise fa ""r their views. To this he had added, that } N e Magistrates, bearing this in their remem ef t I ce, had done right to take every measure Piecatition upon a meeting of the same de , ll Ptiop persons again taking place. The 1 1 . : , 4 ntry owed so much to its Magistrates, whose , ttl 4 l, ch aracter h a d i n a ll times, hitherto, tend s,. 3.1 much to give respect and submission Ike laws, that lie would not, excepting under imperious, urgent, and immediate necessity, vo e to the adoption of any measure which ag to bling then into disrepute. Under every tie w, !lee vt hole matter would he more ( . ; :: ) Perly investigated under the jurisdiction of the L "Hs 44 Law, where the truth would he de:T ail" Icy means of evideuce on oath, and justice t o io all parties, whilst, at the same time, it tl 1 "(1 he a mettliS of drawing the admiration ot Public on that same body, which, by follow. the mode proposed, of instituting an inquiry ttF that House, would throw them under the sus. i, • 10 t1 and censure of the country. He admitted was desirable that the people should he taught ,:' lo olt up to that House for a redress of their "ittleaanees of all kinds ; hot the course which demanded in the present instance was most Prabensible. Fle could have wished that there 0, 1 b heen inserted in the Address semething ex tui:essive of their anxiety as to whether it were 1 : Possible to alleviate the sufferings of the t ' l -c 'P l e, and lessen the pressure of their bur aele,"is• On this pressing subject it was most sin. a ,;•'''Y to he wished that all parties in that House tdd unite their endeavours to the same end.— r , i sit ‘Y, he was aware, in a tree country like this, ust exist, but he was a decided enemy to party, I I • ( ' he really thought that every man in that " , 'tse had the good of his country at heart. It 4 1 , ISt uteloobiedly be allowed, on all hands, that t~'inierfertnce of Parliament was loudly called 1 1., 1 0 order to raise a barrier against those con - : gtous doctrines which have of late shown them b-e4es, whose aim is the corruption of all princi i,"' "tel the total subversion of our most sacred itetions. Our religion has been openly at -4e14,1, and that too not ill any slight way.— 1t has not been against any particular mode of Q rsbip that these attacks have been directed, lt ,! I against the most tendamental principles, on "ith the very columns of society rest. When Rt censider all that has been done to effect this, • become us to think of a remedy for so ▪ an evil, by the application of which we may t irtte succeed in bringing back the whale o f th e 1 : 1 1 )0 1ation to the practice of that religion from r . kit they have always derived happiness and - ` )l nfort. L "rd STANLEY rose for the purpose of making ' l ) the oh servat i ous , w hich tended to vindicate the t ' a rttcters of many persons of respectability and di whose names had been brought into i c i , w he notice 3s implicated in the late affairs at "nchester. 'Tice Noble Lord passed the warmest t a i . '• loons on the high honour and integrity of L meinhers of the Grand Jury of the county of "easter, of which he had the honour of being nair ne "' I le n .(1 in severe terms, the an, ow eon( u o lL(l nCt of a cert a in Judge (Baron Wood), who, in the Bench, had gone So far as to censure that C'ra ittl Jury. There was nothing, he said, that 4 " 10 warrant such a proceeding, under the cir t-,"lnstences of the case. How, he would ask, that Judee know that all the evidence which j Oiciteil by him, had been laid beforethe Grand Was it, be,:.idea, to be supposed that they N el 'e as abl e a s himself, who had grown old, and ; . attised i n t h e pro f ess i on , t o e x tra c t the truth i (I " , witnesses with equal ability. There was not i i t httnb er of the Grand Jury, he could assure the „ u use, that would depart tram the dictates of his ,! tease been unable to address the "nse O n the two former nigh s, he felt himself e a , e tit u upon to employ the present opportunity in . p 1• " 111 a: his reasons for votieg for the Amendment. e information which he continued to receive 1 )1 , 11 ,. ve.tictis quarters, confirmed him more and t;1 his opinion that inquiry ought to be :,:es`" -- N•e but that he was convinced there was t t " oi - Llaspliemy and disaffection in the coon eught to be put down, and which was aelseicuous in his own county, rising to bordering on rebellion.—He could -')-tee with an Hooourable Gentleman who iiigniatized what he is pleased to call AIM:L-6mpg har s hness of the Amendmoot, itt ifs:commenqiag words." lie conceived it be the duty of the House. to institute inquiry, where" the lives of the people trete endangered. The Noble Lord having briefly noticed some of the promitaent pointa of discussion in the Manchester business, proceeded to remark that much stress having been laid both within and without tire House s : on the circumstance of the sahres of the Yeomanry having been sharpened, w bh a view,_ as was said, to the meeting, he would beg leave to state what had come to his knowledge oil that subject. He then read parts of letter which, among others, he had received how Capt. Bur leigh, of the above-mentioned corps, which stated, that it any blame was to ba imputed to the Ye°. marry on the score of their sharpened sabres, it ought all to fall upon him ; for being one day (hill, he observed one of his men make use of his sabre for the purpose of sarewing tighter some part of his pistol, and, as this naturally led no» to an examination of the pisiols anti s wo r ds of the corps, he had been induced, on finding them to be in a very unserviceable state, to order ahem all to he carried to a •- Susi , b pot in order (Hear, hear !)—This, it was to he remarked, took place on the lOth of July, and the order for at - tending the Magistrates was riot received till the 13th of August following. On the day of the meeting, he continued, no charge whatever was made, in the manner mentioned;—tire coups ad vanced six abreast throogh an avenue made up to the hustings by the special constables. In con sequence. however, of the wagzon having moved on observing the approach 14' the cavalry t.)- wards it, the line of special constables was broker, before it united with the hostins. 'fire mob at first gave way to the military, • leaving a space clear for them to {sass a• before, but, as soon as the first litre had passed, the crowd closed in upon theta, thus cutting them off from their companions, and itninediarely commencing to assail them with bri . ck-bats and other missile wea pons, it was not till finding themselves •hus at tacked that they faced 'shoal to defend themselves. The letter wept on to remark, that in ttitling the constables to gel po , ,session of the flags, it vvas possible that the Yeomen might have inflicted some accidental cuts, as they aimed at cutting in two the poles to which the harmers were affixed, %I/bleb was strongly resisted by the bearers of them. The Noble Lord added, th ,t from bit persOnai . knowledge of the writer of the letter, from which he !sad read this Monorail/or, he could affirm t h at h e was incapable of stating. any thing but what was rigidly consistent with troth ; (Hear, hear, hear !)—and his mild dispositiuor and becoming deportment, on all occasions, was an ackuowledg , d fact by all who hirers? him Manchester. With regard to his own behavionr. in the scene of the 16th of August, he assured him in his letter, that he did not strove Iris sabre from his shoulder, except to - direct his men to assist two old woolen, who were ii a perilons situation, from their proximity to the horses ; and this said the Noble Lord, is that Burleigh, whose fiance has been so traduced its ever y a ecesrunt that has yet been given of these transactions. Frot h other information which be possessed, lee could also elucidate some part of the conduct of the Magistrates on that occasion, who only gave their charge to the militiAry at the moment they saw re sisianee and assault made on the first rank of the yeomanry. It was when this was seen by the Magistrates, that they gave authority to Captain Burleigh and his friends to act, and the nature of that resistance may he guessed at, when Colonel L'Estrange called out,—" For God's sake save the Yeomanry." It was also incorrect to say, that there was no avenue by which the meeting could disperse, but by that through which the cavalry advanced. Peter-street, a large and open street, was open to them, and there was no cavalry coming that way. There were also many minor streets open to them, as well as by lanes. Having thus stated some facts, he would refrain from giving an opinion upon them, because he. was as yet but partially informed of the whole. A general inquiry was very desirable. The Noble Lord opposite, he ad ded, had a statement of facts, which were ktiown to pone but himself, and which, therefore, he could not take for granted. lie thought it doe to the Magistrates themselves, to set an Emptily on foot ; for he had too high an opinion of them to think they would have taken the steps ttiey did, if the Meeting had not been illegal. He would prefer the Courts of Law for proceeding in, and he agreed entirely with those who say they were the most proper places, because no other than parole evidenca could he received at the bar of the House. ['he example of Coventry had been pointed out, because in that case a rule for a criminal information had been granted in the King's Bench. But this was not precisely the sane, for in that case no lives were lost, and it was very doubtful if the Court of King's Bench would attend to an application for a criminal in formation where a charge of felony was likely to arise. One tiring, however, was certain, that the call for inquiry was general from all parts of the country; and it was the duty of the House, by taking early and vigorous steps to re-assure the people, and inspire them with a coofidence that any violation of their rights was trot overlooked, and that the Magistrates, if they acted wrong, would trot be protected front public exposure. — (Hear, hear !) Mr. Piatitms said a few words in explanation of what had fallen from him in the former debate. Lord CASTLEREAGII, after disclaiming all inten tion of following the Noble Lord who had just sat down, in the detail of the circumstances of the meetiog, congratulated the House fir having now from a source not likely to be prejudiced in favour of Ministers, an affirmation of the statements al ready made by Ministers.—(llear, bear I)—He commended that Noble Lord for that high sense of public duty which prompted hint to disclose those facts ; and he trusted- it would have the effect of throwing back upon the calumniators that odium, which they had endeavoured to fix upon the Magistrates of Manchester—(l - lear !) He then reviewed a very few of the facts, anti commented upon the character given them by • the Noble Lord ; from which he was at liberty to assert, that the Yeomanry did not interfere until the constables were una• hie •to execune their warrant. In doing this, they act with all possible mildness, and Captain Burieigh himself endeavoured to extricate a wornsn from a situation which. her sex ought to have 1 avoided. The people again become aggressors, and when they had separated one column of the Yen worry from the main body they attacked that.— The Noble Lord, he added, had dissipated another illusion regarding the streets b . eing all closed up except that by which the Cavalry came. That was mitnifestly false, for he (Lord C.) had it from one of the Magistrates, having particularly asked him the question, that the Cavalry were - drawn from the other side of the square, purposely to make way for the people to disperse.--f hear, hear !)—He thought the misrepresentation of this fact very cri!oittal, as it could have no otherob ject than to alarm the loyal people in that neigh bourhood. The truth was, the peo , le were in no disposition to disperse, and so great was the peril of the Yeomanry, that the Magistrates, who were witnesses to it, were obliged to dill in a sopporr ing force. He trus7ed the country would soon see the real nature of the proceedings at that meeting ; and he would once more ask the House what there was unconstitutional in ordering as sistance to the Yeomanry in the perilous situ ations to which they were. He was always in chned to make some allowance far the colour ing given to these facts from prejudice, and tits made him look to the impression, which, reading the debates iii Parliament, and parti cularly the Noble Lotti's speech that ;tight, on the public mind, with some pleasute. The Noble Lord did not staiid in the same Si •n -anon with regard to the country, as Ministers did, towards how there was more o' less jealowl ; and his stn ement should therefore have the more weight. Justice WBS SOO!) at length likely to be done to the Magistrates, who had been altogether treated very uncandidly. Why were, not these Gentlemen entitled to the presumption which every one claims by the Engit:th law, that they were innocent until they were found to be guilty ? All he claimed for them from the House, was a suspension of judgment until there was evidence to convict. It would then appear how ottfailly they had been dealt with, and that the motives which induced there Magistrates, tinder circum stances of great difficulty, to put themselves for ward, solely for the safety of the couotry, and the preservation of the peace, had been must invi dions!v misrepresented.—(Hear, h.olr !) 1-011 STANLEY, in eXplattiation, said, lie appre• hendad the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) had used his statements whet treely.—So far es he- bait ven tured to give an opinion, it VV.IS true the view he took was in a great measure the same as the Noble Lorti's. But when he cane to speak of ;he colt , duct of the Yeomanry Cavalry, u r on which he gave no o piniott at ail, he asserted then, and re . peated now, that tie only read the statement of a rrson who was a yeoman himself.—He had in deed added, that the individual was knoTyn to him ; that lie had a great respect for hit», and that he entirely believed all he said. At the same time, he wished the Noble Lord to understand-) that lie did nut mean to identify himself with that ass the narrator of the facts. Lord CASTLEREAGH gave the Noble Lord credit for the caution and candour with , which he had condurted himsdi all through. He observed, that no one who was not an eve witness could pledee himself to any opinion ; he could only reason front facts afforded by others. Mr. J. P. GRANT Said be would reserve himself to give an opinion on a lii tire occasion : but could not help saying, that it Otis tor the ii“,:rests of the Magistrates to hate an int:pity as stein as possible, and to acquit themselves of the presump tion which now lay against them of being guilty. Mr. BeNNET observed, that all that had been ;Hated respecting the Yeomanry this evenine, rested on the assertions of the Captain or that corps itself, whilst a directly opposite stivement hail been made on craft, before the I nque st a t Oldham, and here were ten contradictions, On tiath, to almost every aseettion that hail been made of this description. . Mr. B. BATHURST adverted to the great import ance which the attestation of Captain Burleigh, who was an eye-witness to the transactions at Manchester, possessed. It was, he contended, complete justification of the Magistrates, as it proved that•they had not called in the military , until it was seen the constables were unable to execute the warrant. Mr. BARING , said, that if there was one thing snore than another, which pointed out the neces sity of some inquiry, it was the debare which had arisen front the Irttormation which bad been fur nished by the Noble Lotd —(Hear !)—He was convinced„ in his own mind, that the Magistrates and Yeomanly might, on the event of Pn inquity, clear themselves of the charge of cruelty, but tie would not say of that of gross neglect. As the Magistrates were aware the day before that the projected meeting wits illegal, they might have prevented its taking place by stopping the differ ent divisions as they cane into the town, instead of waiting till 40,000 or 50,000 were assembled together. They were aware of the trepidation of the loyal inhabitants, for nothing was more fa , al than mob persecution.—(Hear. hear 1)—If those tom ultuary meetings were allowed to go on for another twelvemonth, they would occasion the destruction, not only of property, but of our ma nufactures. Because certain individuals might be tried elsewhere, he did not see that that was any reason why a Parliamentary Inquiry should not take place, when matters of such importance were in question. Lo r d CoMPToN conceived that inquiry could not well be gone into by the House no this subject. It could be only by a Committee of the whole House, a Committee up stairs, or a direction to his Majesty's Law-officers to prosecute, none of which methods could he efficient, or ought to be adopted. With respect to the thanks to the Ma gistrates, be maintained that Government could not have acted otherwise. The Magistrates were public functionaries, and Ministers were bound to receive their report as tine till it was proved to be false. If the case was such as the Magistrates represented it, Ministers were right in thanking them ; if wrong, those thanks would not prevent Ministers from taking measures nlainst them af terwards. As to the dismissal of Earl Fitzwil ham, it appeared to him to afford no reasonable ground of complaint. A Lord Lieutenant was not only the servant of the Ctown, but olio a ocr vant of Aiinisters. It r;as not of course necessary that be should be a courtier, or übscribe -to thy opinions of those under whom tie acted ; but though he might have a right to demand an au dience of the Crown, and declare that Minisrera were acting in the wrong, he had no right to go to a public meeting under such citcurnstaticcs as bad been done in this instance.. Mr. HUME thought some of the remarks which bad been made were founded on a misrepresenta tion of what bad fallen-from him, which misre presentation, however, he had not seen. V. BLAKE spoke from under the Gallery, amidst sonic noise, in defence of the Address. lie sail, that the objvct of the Gentlemen on the Opposition side was power ! No matter by what means they acgoired power ! Now, for the sake of this, they had delivered themselves into the hands of the Itadie'als. Tiity had made a vain en deavour to separate themselves horn that body, but it would not do; the impression was gone abroad, and they most sons sink into insignifi cance and oblivion.----(A laugh ! and cries of Qaesrion.") _ _ The Report was then agreed to, and the Ad dress wets ordered to he resealed by the whole House, arid such Membtrs of the House as were Members of the Council, were ordered to wait on the Prince Regent to know when he would be pleased to recrive the Address. Lord CASTLE CASTLEREAGH intimated, tliat it would be desirable that the House should meet to-morrow, for the purpose of carrying up the Address, it it should he the pleasure of his Roy4l Highness the Prince Itcgrot then to receive it.—Adjouroeti. LAZY IN I ELLItiENCE. COCR OF KING'S BENCH, Nov. 46. COMBINATION. THE XING V. CONNELL. 11,e defetiditrit appeared again this day to re ceive iiidgtnent, convicted of a combination with the ionrneymen coach-makers to compel the masters to inclease their wages, and con-ei , t to ilea orKnoements which they considered beneficial to the wolkinen. Mr DtiNmm; read slie affidavit of the defendant, stating t h s f the combination since the tricd bad bcen bithdoned. The Coot t, taking into consideration the injury the public might sustain by conspiracy and com binations of this description, as well as the cir. ciiinstances Itt tn'Hgaiinn of punishment, stn. tented ihr defendant io pay a fine of 50W. to the King, and to be imprinoned one year in the House of Correction. 5 re" I 4 Te• ,vcser, jtiV I e e sjg !ICU tv Ite tbg k1U11(1, p) tind of the rig Thl ed, tilt ,t-i,.g I° otegg 3E the e t rios [ pat)" • p ri "' - Agre e oot 110 of -aed to ot d ie )e ist gsi"!" insw . wooKi ( CRIMINAL INFORMATIONS. Mr. ScARLETT moved to the a criminal informa• tion against Sir N. Conan: t•littl other iNligistrates, for taking away the' liceoe of a victualler named Me , k: The Learned Counsel moved on the ground of illegal conduct on the part of the Nla gistrates.—The Court granted a rule to show cause. Mr.TAUNTOti moved for leave to file a criminal information against Mr Edwards, a Magistrate at Montgot»ery, for kr pioperly and maliciously issuing a warrant against Hugh I%'4liams, an Attorney, on a charge of rape. The of in support of the motion stated, thilt the charge had been preferred by Mrs. the tvife of one Evan a Farmer, to avoil he. sued in an action of debt by the said Hugh win / ,,,, 5 . Th e warnii i i t %l as obtained on the 13th of August, and the Magi, rate, according to sib da‘it, did not proceed on it until the 18th, when the Grand Jury bad lett the Sessions. The conse quence was, that the defendant was liable to re main three months longer in custody upon are charge. The Court granted a Rule to slim cause. BLASPHEMOUS PAMPHLETS. THK KING V. :41oRTEli.. The defendant, a vender of seditious .and blas phemous wollis, appeared to plead to an intortna ftm flied by the Attorney-General charging him with the puhlic3tion of a profane and,. hi/1311e moos iibel. utter the information had been lead, be re quested I.nger time to plead, and took till next Term. He %vas [ben ordered to find bail, but bad none ready. CONSTABLES OF MANCHESTER. Mr. WILLIAms moved for a. mandamus to the Overseers of Manchester, commanding them to hy before the inhabitants of that town an ac count of the expellees inctored in paying con stables, &c. for the last three months. His affidavit stated, that the accounts had been sub mitted to the inhabitants, but that several items for printing, &c. had not been properly explained, and that objection against the passing of the account had been taken by ti Mr. 'Taylor, but without effect, and they were agreed to. The object of the present motion was to have theta again submnied to tl,e inhabitants, ra nd these items propeilv explained --Rule Nisi granted. ROBBERY AND ATTEMPT AT MURDER.—Yester day morning, about five o'clock, as Mr. Thomas Hooker, a respectable farmer residing at Sr. MaWs Cray, Kent, ;vas coming in a light cart to Smithfidd with some calves for sale, be was most despeiately at tacked near Chiselhurst by a gang of armed ruffians, six tit number, who sprung iron' a held on the road side, and have for a long trne been the terror of that part of the country. One of the villains irv , tantly seized the horse's head, whilst another jumped into the cart, and seizing Mr.; . H. by the collar, dragged him out on the ground. He was then surrounded by the remainder of the gang, who rifled his pockets of 151. in Bank of England notes, his watch, &c. It .was then pro pco.ed by one of the villians to murder Mr. H. which was agreed to, and they all began to beat hint about the head and face with bludgeons in a most inliumor, mluner, , . till he was to all up.. nearance dead. hey then decamped across the fields, leaving Mr. Honker weltering in his blood. Mr. Hooker 'baying i - ecoVercd front his insensibility, with difficulty got into his Bari Mud drove on to the halt-w,ay ,house, where a surgeon was sent for. His head was actnally beat to a mummy 5 one wound on the' forebeen• had Irac tured his scull to the brain. his nose was broi(cri, and his left eye.completely.bcaten out of it, socket, and the whole of his front teeth were out. He woe conveyed to Bartholomew's Hospital.