The Sun. — London, England, 1828-05-17 00:00:00

FROM LAST NIGI-IT'S GAZETTE. Whitehall, May 14, 1828. The King has been pleased to give and grant unto John Funblanque, of the Middle Temple, Loudon, Esq. one of his Majesty's Counsel learned in the Law, his royal licence and authority, that he and his issue may take and use the surname of de Greuier, in addition to. and before that of FonbLinque. And also to command, that the said Royal concession and declaration be registered in his Majesty's College of Arms, otherwise to be void and of none effect. Corauniqiions signed by the Lord Lieutenant of the county of Glamorgan. John l',loggridg,, Esq. to be Deputy Lieutenant. Dati April 26, 1629. Henry John Grant, Esq. to be ditto. April 26. John Mathews Richards, Esq. to be ditto. April 26. Hugh Entwisle, Esq. to be ditto. April 26. George Ten ,nt 7 Esq. to be ditto. April 26. David Tenant, F.sq. to he ditto. April 26. William Ireland Jones, Esq. to be ditto. April 26. Robert Charles Nichol!, Esq., to be ditto. April 26. Henry Lee, Esq., to be ditto. April 26. Thomas Penrice, Esq., to be ditto. April 26. Charles Morgan, Esq., to be ditto. Airril 26. John Nicholas Local, Esq., to be ditto. April 26. Jenkin Davies Herrington, jou., Esq., to be ditto. April 26. Robert Francis Jenner, Esq., to he ditto. April 26. Thomas Revell Guest, Esq., to be ditto. April 26. John Nathaniel Miers, Esq., to be ditto. April 26. George Tyler, Esq., to be ditto. April 26. Rowland Richard, Esq., to be ditto. April 26. Reverend Thomas Stacey to be ditto. April 26. Eastern Glamorgan Yeomanry Cavalry. ,Richard Fowler Rickards, Esq, to be Major-Corn- March 19. John loggridge, Esq. to be Captain. March 19. John Nathaniel Miers, Gent, to be Lieutenant.— March 19. Matthew Muggridge, Gent. to be ditto. March 19. David Hopkins, Gent. to be Cornet. March 19. Richard Lewis Reece, Gent. to be ditto. March 19. Commission in the Ring's Cheshire Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry, signed by the Lord Lieutenant of the county Palatine of Chester. The Altrincham Troop. Edvrard Jeremi;tli Lloyd, Esq. to be Captain, vice Sir Henry Mairiwarinif Mainwaring. Bart. resigned. April 29. Commission Signed by the Lord Lieutenant of the county of Forfar. Vilma: Ogilvy Fothringliam, F.:f. to ht' Deputy Lieu. tenant. aitta 3foreh 21, 1829. Erratum in the List .',l . Deputy Lieutenants for Forfarthite, inserted i❑ the Gazette of 6th instant. For Charles Lyall, Esq. r'Qati Lyell, Esq. DECLARATIONS OF INSOLVENCY. Janaok Spencer, Rieytou, Prestwick-cum-Oldham, Lan. eager, cotton-spinner. George Brownell Pearse, Cateaton-street, auctioneer. Abraham Wright, Langley, Essex, shopkeeper. BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED. William Alindham, Molt, Norfolk, carpenter. BANKRUPTS. Martin Edward Hopkins, St. Peter's-alley, Cornhill, merchant, v . ) surrender May 23, at nine, June 10, at teu, and 27, at nine, at the Court of Can Gre gory, King's Arms-yard, Coleman-street. Mary Tolson, Regent-street, St. Mary-le-hone, milliner, May 23, .Tune 6, and 27, at eleven, at the Court of Com missioners. Turner and Pearce, Bloomsbury-square. . . . John Darby,;Rood-lane, London, perfumer, May 23, 30 ; and June 27, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners.— Gatty, Haddan, Gatty and Hadrian, Angel-court, Throg. imorton-street. Henry Kingsbury, Broad-street, Ratcliffe, builder, May Qs, f a ten, June 3, at eleven, and 27, at ten, at the Court of Coronissioners. Fisher and Spencer, Walbrook buildings. William Henry Pringle, London-road, St. George's f.elds, victualler, May 23, at eleven, 27, and June 27, at ten, at the Court of Commiss;oners. Flashman, Ely-place, Holborn. John. Sunderland, Leeds, woolstapler, May 2(, 27, and lune 27, at eleven, at the Court-house, Leeds. Wigles i.vorth and Ridsdale, Gray's-inn; Gaunt, Leeds. Hollingworth Bramley, Thrognaortan-street, May 23, at nine, June 10, at ten, and 91, at nine, at the Geurt of Commissiunets. Pearce and Co., Swithin's-lane. John Bevan and John Rigby, St. Helen's, within Windle, Lancashire, soap-boilers, June 2, at the Clarendon. r omni, Liverpool, 3, at the Fleece Inn, St. Helen., and 27, at the Clarendon-rooms, Liverpool, at one. Barnes, St. Helen's ; Chester, Staple-Inn, London. John. Prior, Worksworth , Derby, smallware-rnanufac. torer, June 2,3, and 27, at nine, at White's Hotel, :Van (Lester. Hadfield and Grave, Mancbester ; Ellis, Walrus -Joy, and Gorton, Chancery-lane. Robert Back dud Bateman, Compton-street, Cler kenwt2fl, malt-roasters. Mir 27, 30, and .lone 27, at twelve, at the Court of Comrdissionsos,. Maxon, Little Friday street. Joseph Browne, Kidderminster, Woressakershire, silver s,mitb, May 26, at three, 27, and June 27, -at- eleven, at the Globe Tavern, Birmingham. Tooke and Carr, Bed ford-row ; Capper, Birininglkaut. Joseph Marsden, Sowerby-hridge, Halifax, Yorkshire, corn-merchant, May 23,-24-, at six, and June 27, at eleven, at the Old Cock Inn, Halifax. Dawson and Hawkins, New Boswell-court; Howarth and Ridehalgh, Rippou ten, Halifax. DIVIDENDS. G. J. Gorarn, St. Ncots,hanker, June 6, at two, at the Falcon Inn. St. Neots—T. Rogers, Shac.klewell, boarding house keeper, June 6, at eleven, at the Court of Commis sioners—S. it Leah, Old-street, watch maker, June 6, at one, at the Court of Commituiiorters—J. F. Wardle, 'Wol verhampton, mercer, June 9, at twelve, at the Whi,t.en Cross Inn, Atbrigliton, Shropshire—.-A. Smith, Tipton, StatTordshire, draper, June 9, at elev 44, at the Whitton CAorss Jon, Albrighton, Shropshire—F. W, Fatherst one and If. Nevi'', Adam',:-court, Broad-street, merchants, June 20, at eleven, at the Court of Cominissiorwo-3, Proudlave, Blackburn, Lancashire, calico manufacturer, 0, at nine, at the Star Inn, Manchester—W. C'haulk, Cram/an-street, Leicester-square, jeweler, May 20, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners—P. &aid!, Meva liß*y, Cornwall, grocer, June 9, at eleven, at the Ship Mevagissev—J. Brown, Birmingham, linen-draper tune 17, at ten, at the Royal Hotel, Birmingham—J. ivright, Princes -street, Leicester-square, ..tnith, June 6, at twelve, at the Court of Gontnissioners- 1 . fatter, Bart .ett's-buildings-passage, merchant, June 6, at twel&e, at the Court of Cornmissioners—C, Woods, Roberts Bridge, Sussex, saddler, June 13, at ten, at the Court of Commis si,miers—W. Anderson, Waterloo-place, Pea-mall, book saki-, June 6, at eleven, at the Court of Coleln..,.uners— j. pal, Newport, Isle of Wight, miller, June 6, at eiFie.,l, at t h e hurt of Commissi oner f,",ity-road, build er, June 6, m—L. Liner, Upper Form at eleven, at the Court of Con.uniesioner!—J. Brown, Austin-friars, mer- Jura , is, gt twelve, at the Court of Commissioners. CEB“FICATES—J LINE 6 Morgan an d W. P. Paton, Barge-y ar d, tneethar.ts kl. P a yne, York,:treet, CA/int. garde ?: Ald ridge, bookseller—J. Luna, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, dge, Wandsworth, Surrey, ca leo - p 'Wheeldon, Manchester, cabinet-maker —J. Baker, litafitpn in Hales, es - Joro hro shire, Calvert, INAIaT • Q . eus York tanner—i.r. p . r. ( I L ee ds, _rbbire, 4-hire, lax-spinner—W. % 41. Kent. maker.-;-J. Norrington, riodiX/torit 01 , paper Hayes and C. F. Hayes, Albury , manufac • Hirers. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED, T waggon BLS-.P' . Snelus and E. DangerEeld, Oxford,Mete! ~.1 i .: —J. Parker and T. Pattinson, Carlisle, b re wel.s Brews and E. Jobling, Blvt,h, N or tliarulPrlarld , TP_ t huilders---R. llonins and I). S. Bucked, Essex-court feruple, attor neys —NV. W ar d an d W. Carriagtii - ;; ''''' - Cord-yard, Theobaltt's-toad, carpenters—R. Fell dill E. - NV. Van Haansbergen, -Nrwcastle-upon-Tvne, commission', merchants --L. Goodma n and J. Godden,Thatcham, 13erk shire, millers—J. Wild and J. Wild, Oldham, Lancashire, ironmongers—L Jack, J.. Lertnitte, A. Aikin, J. Biowell and J. L e rmitte, Hornsey-r oa d, water-proo f manu f acturer s A. and D. Pritchard, Tonyrefail, Lantrissent, Glamor ganahlre, haberdashers. Erratum in the Minority on the Grant to Mr. c A morra's Family Pitarttectoe did not vote on this qtion. ' On 'Thursday se nnlgnt, about sun -set, as a shepherd, na:ned PJNTING, and his wife, wer e planting potatoes inn beid, at Box-bill, they beard a great noise under them, and in; nediatel,y the ground sank tour feet for many yards on every' side of them, leaving many large openings on the surface, like the ominous presage of an cthquake, one of which *Mended to a public road, and caused the" wall near the road to fall clown, and left a crick thirty feet long down the centre of the road, which is in consequence impassable. This was the sinking of the earth into a tremendous freestone quarry. Three individae stand indicted for , oftdamagn the road by means of anotheF quarry, within 200 yards e same.—,Dorgt Chronicle. "' -- ''',w - PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS HOUSE OF COMMONS. uoNDAY, MAY 19.—ORDERS OF THE DAY. 1. Land Tax Commissioners Names Bill—Committee: 2. Liverpool Road Bill Second reading. 3. Settlement by Uiring Bill—Committee. 4. Labourers Wages Bill—Second reading. 5. Alehouses Licensing Bill—Second reading. ti. Galway Magistrates Bill—Second reading. T. New South Wales Bill—Committee. S. Sale of Game Bill—Second reading. 9. Customary Tenures Bill—Committee. 10. East Retford Disfranchiseunt Bill—Committee. 11. Cities and Towns Improvement (Ireland) Bill—Com. mittee. 12. Witnesses in Equity (Ireland) Bill—Committee. N. Rights of Executors Bill—Committee. 14. Bankrupt Laws Amendment Bill—Third reading. 15. Cities and Boroughs Polls Bill—Committee. 16. Supply—Committee. 17. Larceny Laws (Ireland) Bill—Committee. IS. Malicious Injuries (Ireland) Bill—Committee. 19. Larceny Acts Repeal (Ireland) Bill—Second reading. 20. Criminal Justice (Ireland) bill—Second reading. 21. Offences against the Person Bill—Further eon,idera- tion of Report. 22. Corn Importation Bill—Committee. 23. Law of Evidence sill I bird reading, 24. Stamps Allowances Bill—Adjourned Debate upon Report. 25. Ways and Means—Committee. 26. Charitable Lands Bill—Second reading. 27. Freeholders Registration Bill—ecinmittee. 28. Pensions Act Amendment Rill—Second reading. 29. Cinque Ports Bill—Second reading. NOTICF.S OF MOTIONS. Mr. Charles Pallmer—llill to amend Foreign Enlist- ment Act [59 Geo. 3, c. 69], which rekttes to the fating out or equipping ♦et.sela for warlike purposes. R. Mr. Lumley—ln case the East Retford Disfranchiseinent Bill is not proceeded with, to move that a New Writ be issued for the Election of two 'Members for that Borough. S. Sir James Graham—Bill to amend the Getter 11 Turnpike Acta, by additional Clauses. 4. Lord Viscount Palmerston—Army Estimates. (Its Com mittee of Supply.) 5. Sir Robert Wilson—To put Question regarding rela tions with Foreign Powers. t; Sir George Clerk—Navy Estimates, (In Committee of Supply.) 7. Mr. Portman—ln Committee on the Corn Importa tion Bill, to move to leave " London" out of the list of places where the average prices of British Corn are to be taken. ES. Mr. Wodehouse—ln Committee on Corn Importation Bill, to add Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Had dington, Dumfries, anti Dundee,—Dublin, Cork, Wa terford, Limerick, Belfast, Sligo, and Galway, to the enumerated places whereby the average price of Grain, except Wheat, is calculated. 9. Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer—To vote Surplus Monies in the Exchequer. (In Committee of Ways and Means.) NOTICES GIVEN ON THURSDAY. Tuesday, May 20. _ 1. Mr. Ponlett Thomson—Bill to amend the Usury Laws. 2. Mr. Hume—Return of Pensions ou the Civil Lists of England, Scotland, and Ireland :—Also, of Pension: granted under Offices Pensions Act 57 Geo. S. cap.6s. Wednesday, May 21. Mr Spring Rice—Bill to amend the Laws respmtibg Banks and Bankers in Ireland. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 16. Lord FEVERSHAM gave notice that he would, on Monday next, move the third reading of the Stockton and Darlington Railway Bill. Mr. Mason presented the monthly accounts of the sala lie: and pensiona granted by the East India Company. Sir F. D. ACLAND and others from the Commons brought up the Bills of Exchange and Promissory Notes (Ireland) Bill, and several private Bills. Mr. F. WILSON and others brought up the Bill for re gulating the Linen and Hempen Manufacture in Ireland. Sir R. INGLIS and others brought up the Justiciary OfFwes in Scotland Regulation Bill. Mr. Johnson presented the Eighteenth Report of the Commissioners of Public Accounts in Ireland. The Marquis of CAMDEN presented a petition from the county a Kent, and from . several pariAit, in Kent, praying for further protection to agriculture. Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition from the Roman Catholics of Lancaster, praying for emancipmien. The LORD CHANCELLOR asked by bow many per sons the petition had been signed Lord SITFIELD had not counted the signAtures, but h• knew that it was numerously signed. Several other petitions were also presented. CATHOLfe CLAIMS.—MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS. Sir FAANCIS 13uanErr, accompanied by nearly 100 Members of the House of Commons, appeared at the bar with the following Message:— Aly Lurds—l ant desired by the Commons to state that they desire a conference with your Lordships on the sub ject,uf the laws affecting his Majesty's Roman Catholic sub ji,cla in. Great Britain and Ireland, with a view to such final and iznciliatory adjustment, as may be conducive to the peace and stwetfg,th of the United Kingdom, to the sta bility of the Protestant Establishment, and to the general satisfaction and concord of all classes uf his Majesty's subjects. On the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESLURY, the mes sa;iqs were informed that their Lordships would send an answer t..;) the Commons by messengers of their own. ,tiir FICANC IJLTRDErr and the others then retired. The Duke of WELLINGTON then moved that the Commons be informed that the conference would be held at half-pat five o'clock, on Monday nett, in the Painted Ch.::-Inber. 1-1 4 , 2 Aj k trquis of LANSDOWNE suggested that it should be fart moved that their Lordships would agree to the conferetwe, and that then their Lordships might ap point a particular time for holding it. The Duke of WELLINGftIiN then moved, that a Message be sent to the Commons, informing them that their Lordships, pursuant to the desire of the Commons, had agreed to hold a conference, and that the conference was appointed to ho held in the Painted Chamber, at half past five o'clock on Monciiii next. . ,The liartinis of LANSDOV.I.NE begged leave to state, that if the conference were to be held now, there were a sufficient number of Members in the Ilouse for that pur pose; but he thought that if the conference were to be de ferred to Monday, it would be expedient to move that the Hoar:;: be summoned. Ile therefore moved that the House be summo;,:•:ed on Monday next.—Motion agreed to. Lord MOI:III;;"..C4SHEL, in presenting a petition from the Protestants of the 4± , , , of Cork, against further con cion to the Catholics, f 4,4 that the Catholics, by luddi;g their simultaneous n4; ; ting.s, intended to throw the Protestants off their guard, and they should not be all stirp4; 4 ;tl if such another massacre took plaoe as on the Sicilian vespers. Indeed the Protestants might expect to find their throats cot :wane morning. 7,.'he Marcinis.of LONDONDERRY could na sit silent and hear :ivcit language applied, nor did be believe that any real danger we; ,f. - o be apprehended from granting to the ' Irish Catholics com - 'es - s;o;j.,t which the great body of the Irish representatives had apptwed ,i,j , their votes in another p tia la at ce. • The simultaneous meetinp . of tht 4.4'.sotiation had 44 -:,tainly d one grea t m i sc hi e f to the Catholics; 140 was a .;:eason.why the cause itself should suffer? The Catholic (inestio ll must press upon their Lordships, and he to "..conyinced that ;;,;:fnething ere long must be done set the question finally - at -,•'''' Lord MOUNTCASEEL • '3• '' ' --' He merely meant 6,l,,,,6,tuiiiyutofe simultaneous naeAt.,. -- ,.gd might to zay that he conceived e 9" " .' 4 ' afford tine general massacre in freiund. This N9ble' L u rsi. :•*si proc a eei rr , to support his views upon the subject, tvlie4 i v , ~,,,, firey, who protested az4l4 s i ;,,, e D calledtiorder by Lord 7 '... i ",0b1e Lord's entering • liscussion on the subject, on ithW -; ' - - on the. L..., -, t.,?!!tation of a Ait i o , "EL t h ee precentud the pc• tition, am several . wens effect, f rom t h e county P' ille Earl, oilyL.ootll,l:LCAtiSw of 'hfonagbau. . I t r lt 3 Kisrd er of the .-,T‘air NIGHT POACH . Lard WHARITCLIFFE moved for the re-committal a the Bill for preventing Night' . Poaching. The House meat into a CoMmittee to reeziveth e rt e moved, that • port. The Marquis of SALISBURY in the chine which substituted the punishment of three months' i mpr i_ soument and hard work, fur that of seven years' transp ort _ ation, fir the first offence, the words three months be altered to si-t months. If he should Au•ceed in this tan turn, he would move that the punishment for the second offence should be increased .to twelve months. Lord WHARNCLIFFE considered that the amendment would do away With much of the good effects of the Biii; his object was to moderate the p-unisiameut for the first offence, which was generally committed through thought less levity, but to prevent a recurrence of it by a wore severe punishment. If the person convicted did not tied i security, Le was liable to be confined for six months loner, which increased the tine of his imprisonment to nine months. He should oppose the motion, and take the sense of the House en it. The question was then put on the amendment :that the words six months be substituted for three months, or that the words three months should remain part of the Mill. Lord SHAFTESBURY comidered the contents bad it. The Marquis of SALISBURY called for a division, awl strangers were ordered to withdraw. On our return a conversation took place between the Marquis' of Salisbury, Lords Wharncliffe, Carnarvon, and Holland, when we understood the Noble Marquis withdrew his amendment. Lord CARNARVON moved for the insertion of a clause to the effect, that if any person who was convicted on the first or second offence, and not 1-/ving wife or child, should wish to enter into his Majesv's army or navy, he should be permitted to do so, au/ on bein g pr o p er l y at • tested before a Justice of Pea', that such Justice of Peace should be entitled to "felease him from further punishment. The Duke of WELLINGTON confessed that he had great objections to permitting any person convicted of crime to enter into the army or navy. He did not say there were not many in the service who might not have been guilty of greater crimes than that of pwching'; but what he objected to was, their being sent into the army or navy as punishment for any offence. He thought such a system could not tend to improve the morals of soldiers, and he should therefore oppose the amendment. Lord CARNARVON said that it was his intention to confine such a proceeding to the first or second offence, and merely poaching. He did not think it was in general attended with much turpitude or moral guilt. He should, however, withdraw his amendment fur the present, and submit the clause to the consideration of the Noble Duke, and if he should continue to oppose it, he (Lord C.) should withdraw it altogether. Several verbal amendments were then made. The re port was received, and the Bill as amended ordered to be printed. The House adjourned to half-past Three on Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MAY IG. Mr. FERGUSON brought in a Bill to amend and ex plain the law• relating to the property of British subjects dying in India. The Bill wag read a first time, and order ed to be read a second time the 2d of June. Mr. SYKES presented three petitions from the neigh bourhood or Hull against the Iriendly Societies Bill, Mr. J. WOOD said that he thought it his duty to state that the Committee on this Bill had closed its labours, under the understanding that as all the Members could not concur in the regulations which should be adopted, and as some of the Committee conceived the law should remain on its present iboting, the Hon. Gentleman who brought i❑ the Bill consented to withdraw it, and resolved not to bring in any Bill whatever, so that the anxiety which ex isted in the country on this subject might now cease. He thought it necessary to make this statement, as the Hon. Gentleman who brought in the Bill stated in his place that, though he would withdraw the Bill this Session, he would introduce it in the next. Mr. SYKES expressed his satisfaction that the , Bill wag to be entirely given up. The petitions were the❑ laid on the table. Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL preavnted two peti• tioras from parishes in Kent, against the Roman Catholic Claims. Sir E. KNATCHBULL nlso presented a petition against the importation of foreign wool, and nine petitions for the protection of agriculture. Mr. MUNDAY presented two petitisms from parishes in Derbyshire, for the repeal of the Act limiting the cir culation of Small Notes. ISLAND OF TRINIDAD. Mr. PROTHEROE, seeing a Noble Lord in his place who was connected with his Majesty's Government, wished to know whether it was the intention of his Majesty's Mi nisters to introduce into Parliament any Bill during the present Session, for the alteration of the Trinidad laws. Lord F. L. GOWER replied, in answer to the Hon. Member's inquiries, that this measure, however import ant, formed but a part of the many subjects of colonial policy with Government, and that it could not introduce any Bill during the present Session of Parliament to that effect. As au additional reason for delay, he mentioned the desire of .Ministers to confer with Sir Ralph Woodford, who was expected in this country. Mr. J. WOOD brought up the report on the Bankrupt Laws Amendment Bill, which wza; ordered to be engrossed. CITIES AND BOROUGHS POLL BILL. Col. DAVIES moved the order of the day fur the Rouse going into Committee on this Rill. After some observations from Mr. Ross and Mr. Bituotx, in favour of postponing the consideration of this Bill, the House resolved itself into a Committee. After going through a few clatisee, Col. F.lturrionrE object ed to going any further, and moved that the report should be brought up, and the Chairman ordered to report progress. The question was put on this 'notion, and strangers were ordered to withdraw; but it was afterwards agreed to without a division. The House then resumed, and the CHAIRMAN (Mr. Alderman Wood) reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again on Wednesday next. Mr. DAWSON brought up the detailed accounts of monies received by the Exchequer for ways an d means, from the sth of January, 1823, to the sth of January, 1626. Also, an account of the surplus in the Exchequer at the disposal of Parliament. FREEHOLDERS OF DISTRICTS RILL. :11r. SYKES moved the order of tho dAy fur the }louse resolving itself into a Committee upon the Freeholders of Districts Bill. Lord LOWTHER was opposed to the Bill, and moved as an amendment that the House go into Committee that day six months. Mr. SYKES wished the Bill to go into a Committee, in order that the blanks might be filled up, and that afterwards the Noble Lord would have the opportunity of opposing the Bill should be see reason for doing so. Lord LOWTHER had no objection to this arrangement. After a few words from Mr. BRIGHT and Mr F. LEWIS the amendment was withdrawn. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that there was such an anxiety to press forward so many subjects, that it was im possible for human powers to give consideratign to them all. He did not wish to under-rate the importance of the Cities and Boroughs Polls Bill, but there wereso many important questions before the House, that it was impos sible to give full consideration to them all. The House then resolved itself into a Committee, and the blanks were filled up, after which the House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be taken into consideration on Friday next. CATHOLIC QUESTION. Sir F. BURDETT moved the order of the day for taking into consileration the report of the resolution of the Com mittee upon the Roman Catholic Claims. The Order of the Day having been read, Sir F. BURDETT said after what passed on a former evening, I shall not take up much time in making com ment upon the resolution which I intend to propose, but shall content myself with saying that I have adopted this mode of proceeding as the most conciliatory and respectful that could be adopted, and as the mast likely to insure a favourable 'consideration of the question in another place. I therefore move that the sauce resolution be communicated to the House of Lotel.s in a conference, and their consent be desired thereto. Mr. Secretary PEEL. said when the Hon. Bart. proposed on a former night to adopt this course •with respect to the resolution agreed to by a Committee of this Houie, I cer tainly .strongly expressed. myself that, in a matter of so . important a nature as the intercourse between the two Houses of Parliament, it would be moat desirable that an interval of one or two days should be allowed for the purpose of 'examining precedents, and seeing what Was the usual course with respect to such communications. now find that the lion. Baronet proposes in this instance to adhere to a course of proceeding warranted by several pre cedents ; gamely, a communication by . the House to the Lords in conference of a resolution agreed to by this House ; and I also find that it is usual in making snob communica tions to desire their Lordships' concurrence thereto, and that there is scarcely an instance of any such coin im;pication made by this House to the Lords, not being ruaqi,s ip the form which the Hon. Baronet now desires. Abererore amber in form uor in precedent can. any objection be Urged against the course proposed by' the Hon. 'Bart., and as those with whom r have tionsulted have taip.enrred with me in thinking that th'e proceeding is conformable to ccrni and precedent, I do not think it necessary nor desirable to. tinlow aRy objection in the way of the. proposed proceeding,:—(Cheers)—proykied thsiv be no part of that communication which expresses a stronger o a P 4 in tr i a o i:g i ; " a Wiri than the Resolution of the H ouse of Commo ns contains, and t cannot therefore consent to a n y terins being •nsvfl. which imply ip the slightpst Iler,ree opinion,— (Hear, hear,)—and if the.cpturtiPni ! cation be Inniteii to the terms contained in the Resolution agreed to by a majority of this nome, I have no Objection t t i:a t t li t e h i e .or :iii "f idra t tl p o r f oe m ee y d in ab g j s ect u i P on n is 6 Lco U m P4 p e a r t= 4 W in 4 this condition, that nothing ..sed in that communication shall express a stronger opinion than that contained in the Resolution itself. The motion was then • put, and agreed to. Sir PRANCIS• PURDETT—I now move, Sir, that a conference of the House of Lords be doired, for the pur pose of communicating the same resolution.—Agreed to. Mr. SPEAKER put the question, that Sir F. Burdett do go to the Lorde to desire the same conference.— Agreed to. THE LORDS' CONFERENtiE ON TUE CATHO- LIC QUESTION. Sir F. BURDETT appeared at the bar and announced that he had repaired, with other Members of that House, to the House of Lords, with the resolution as agreed upon last Monday, and requested a conference with their Lord ships, who stated in reply that they would send a❑ answer by messengers of their own. Immediately after messengers from the Lords were in troduced, who delivered the following message:— " That the Lords had agreed to a conference, as desired by the House in their message of this day, and appointed the same for- Monday next, at half-past five o'clock in the afternoon, in the Painted Chamber." FOREIGN POLITICS. Sir ROBERT WILSON said, it had been his intention th.i eveniug to put a question to his Majesty's Ministers on the subject of the state of our foreign relations, hut as it was but proper and right that Government should be previously acquainted with an intention of this nature when it did exist, and he had not had an opportunity of apprising them of his intention until now, he should post pone his question until Monday next. NAVY ESTIMATES. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in moving the Order of the Day for the House going into a Corn mittee of Supply, said that the Estimates which he in- ' tended to propose would have been proposed at an earlier period of the Session, were it not that Ministers wished the House to be first in possession or the Report of the Committee of Finance. But as it was thought that that report would not be made until such a late period of the Session as would render it impossible for the House to go into the various topics which that report would embrace; he thought it his duty, in accordance with the opinion of the Committee of Finance, not to poet pone any longer the Estimates which he intended now to sub mit ; but in doing so he begged to assure the House that the vote which he should call on the Committee to agree to, would not prevent any future Committee from entering into a strict examination of those Estimates. He, therefore, moved that the order of the day for going into a Committee of Supply be read. Lord AI.TIIORP said that he had been long anxious to submit a few observations to the House upon the im portant subject of the Impressment of Seamen, and he thought he could not take a more favourable opportunity than when the House was about to resolve itself into a Committee upon the Navy Estimates. He would proceed at once to call the attention of the House to the great evils of the sys tem. It was not, he believed, possible to man the fleet without being obliged to resort to the compulsory service of seamen, but still he thought many things might be done to mitigate the evils of such a mode of proceeding. He be lieved there was not any naval state whatever which had not some such compulsory method of manning their fleets, and he thought some such power indispen sible. The first evil attending such a system was, the de priving a seaman of his liberty and consequent em ployment in the merchant service. The second evil was, that merchant seamen were induced to hide themselves to avoid impressment ; and the third evil was, that men thus impressed were obliged to be constantly watched to prevent desertion. He did not think the seamen had much right to complain that their ser vices to a certain extent should be required to man a fleet which extended so much protection to the merchant service, but still he thought that the evils he had enumerated might be ameliorated. One method thst he should at present suggest was this —that all seamen having served a certain number of years on board any of his Majesty's vessels, should not after wards be liable to be impressed. Such a measure as this he thought would induce seamen to enroll themselves for a limited period in a service where the comforts were so much greater, and the treatment so much better, than in the merchant service. Sir GEORGE COCKBURN agreed most cordially with the Noble Lord in principle, and should be very happy to substitute voluntary enrolment for impressment. Yet he saw it was at present, and as we were now circum stanced, impossible to give up this compubatory'power, with out being materially impaired in our maritime resources, as compared with other powers. Certainly Government was bound to do every thing to soften and alleviate the evils arising out of impressment; much had already been done to improve the system, and conduce to the comfort of the seaman since the late war. As a preventive against desertion, pensions had been held out after stated periods of service, which were always forfeited in every instance of desertion. This had produced good effects ; and it was now a fact that the Admiralty was called on of late to issue restrictive orders to captains of ships on foreign stations to prevent them receiving so many men out of the merchant service. In war he fiiared the power of impressment nerer could be dispensed or parted with. As to being able to identify sailors who had served a period as volunteers, he feared, it would be extremely difficult for officers of King's ships to identify such men on board merchantmen met with at sea by any possible document. He, however, would take upon himself the charge of looking to the practicability of the Noble Lord's suggestions.—(Cheers.) Mr. SYKES said, his vicinity to a large seaport en abled him to speak from observation and with confidence of the evils of the system of compulsory service in the navy. In the course of the last war, he had witnessed scenes of horror arising out of impressment, to get rid of a repetition of which no exertion that we could make ought to be wanting. He declared his firm conviction of the desirableness and necessity of getting rid of that abo minable system. During the whole course of the war he had seen the port alluded to in the most terrible c onfusion, disturbed by broils and contests, all brought on in conse quence of the state of the law as it regarded compulsory service. Every thing was in a dreadful situation—men who had gone long voyages, and were just come home to enjoy the comforts of again meeting their friends and fa milies, were taken away, put on board King's ships, and kept afloat six or seven years. To avoid so tertible an in fiction, men would naturally go to all extremities ; and, accordingly, various expedients were resorted to, in order to avert a calamity so dreadful. Some persons being ex empt from compulsory service, every evasion and effort was resorted to by individuals, for the purpose of making it appear that they came within the dew' iption of the privi leged classes. He remembered an instance of some men, who, having picked up a little of the Prussian language in a foreign port, and being impressed on their return home, all swore they were Prussians, with a view to es cape. It was a shocking state of things under which men could be so seized, ill-treated, and knocked on the head if they resisted, and torn front their families for years. He knew a great deal had been done to better the condition of our seamen, and he was glad of it. But it was a great hardship to keep men afloat fur seven ur eight years till they forgot the aspect of the greets fields. Arbitrary pu • nishment (he might call it so, where there was no Court nirtial) was another great evil in the Navy, sad the con sequence was, to occasion among seamen a dislike to the service. Various statements had been made in hooks published on the subject some of them by Naval officers of rank and respectability—but he should not now repeat them. If any plan could be devised calculated to induce seamen voluntarily to enter the naval service, it would be exceedingly deeirable to adopt it. What he complained of was, that no other mode than that :of impressment bad been yet tried. Sir J. YORKE. observed, that neither the Hon. Mem ber for Hull's florid description of the horrors of impress ment, nor his pathetic, but somewhat exaggerated, rela tion of seaman, who were so long afloat on the blue waters that they forgot the colour of the green fields, was neces sary to induce him to investigate the subject with a view to the improvement of the present system, as far as im provement was practicable. However, he must complain that the Noble Lord had chosen a singular time and op portunity for introducing the subject, when the House was about to go into Committee on the Naval E,timates. --It would have been much better if the Noble Lord bad asked for a Select Committee. to investigate a matter that admitted of so much discussion ; and, as the Noble Lord nsaiatained, called fur such extensive alterations. When. ever a select Comtpittpe should be called for to examine the very difficult and knotty question of compulsory service, he (Sir J. Yorke), would be one of the first to recommend investigation with a view to improvement, for he was satisfied that many modes might be devised to mitigate or do away with a vast deal of the horrors so ably and forcibly described. • Mr. MABERLY spoke of the length of . time during which the discussion of the Estimates had been deferred. —,-The whole of them, it was agreed, should be submit under the ted to the cons id erat i on o f t h e Finance Committee, enectation that it would have been able fully to examinee an d report upon the subject thi s y ear . —The House, however, was pow given to understand, that the Corpruittfe had not gone fully into the evi dence conne c t e d with the Estimates. Ent the Committee, though unable to make a report, was in possession of a great deal of infor ma ti on , which would, in all probability, prevent its Members from voting fur the Estimates, as now proposed by Ministers, for the adoption of the House. --Thus the Memb ers o f the Finance Committee were in possession of information not calculated to induce them to approve of those Estimates, while the House was shut out from the information referred to. It Insist be allowed ewe: was a !neat idea of difficulty in the situation of the House in this respect, yet it was called on to exercise that judg ment which it would have had to exercise if no Finl,ucx Committee had ever sat. Again, the Committee must deal with our existing establishments, and report upon therit as if the country were in a perfect state of peace (this was ;:n -avoidable, for he admitted the Committee had not and ought not to have any political information upon the subject of peace or war) ; therefore the House would also have to judge of the Estimates with respect to the present state of the country, and without reference to future contingencies. But the difficulty which the House must feel in dealing with the Estimates consisted in this circumstance—that Right Hon Gentleman opposite had not stated in What state'the country really was at the present moment. 'The House had received no information on the subject, and yet it was called on to vote a grant for 30,000 seamen. We were without the slightest information as to the state temper of other European Powers—we Only knew that something like war had taken place, yet we could hardly pronounce the affair at Navarin the commencement cf hostilities. We had a large force in the Mediterranean—a large army —a large body of marines—yet no statement was offered to enable the House to judge of the propriety concurring in the votes about to be proposed. Minister,, before calling upon us to vote away a sum of 20,000,00:21. for the support of our establishments, ought to say whefair the country was at war or peace—in a state approximating to war, or in a condition of profound peace. Before a single seaman was voted, they ought to state what was the situation of the other Powers of Europe. Under all cir cumstances, it was now for the House to deal with the st:b ject exactly as if the Finance Committee were not sitting, Mr. CALCRAFT declared it to be his fixed opinion, that impressment was necessary in the navy, under existing circumstances, and would continue indispensible until some adequate substitute for the present system was provided. The principle of compulsory service was also recognised in our militia system. • From what he could collect, the naval service was now infinitely snore popular among seamen than formerly, in consequence of the wants and comforts of the men being attended to, and great improvements hav ing taken place in the whole system. The Hen. Gentle man proceeded to argue, that we were not at war. The occurrence at *Navarin could not be denominated war. Vie were at peace, though not, perhaps, in a profound peace. He was not surprised that the Finance Committee ha'd not made a Report on the subject of the Estimates. It had now sat three months, and the only Report that had Leen obtained from it was, that respecting Annuities. He there fore thought that the Committee proceeded rather tardily in its labours, and that the House bad a right to expect information, which be was sorry to say had not been afforded. His Hon. Friend who preceded him was in possession of information obtained as a Member of the Fi nance Committee, and could, therefore, discuss the. Es timates with additional advantages. I'lowever, he (Mr. C.) did not think them calculated on too large a scale, or that the number of seamen proposed was too great, and should therefore support the vote, except he heard some• thing to convince him that he ought not to do so. , Mr. SYKES explained. Sir H. PARNELL defended the Finance Committee from the charge of the want of due diligence or ability in the course of its labours. It had had already forty-sevoi sittings ; thirty-eight witnesses had been examined ; it had ordered the production of three hundred and thirty seven accounts, and two thousand sheets p(letter-press, the results of its investigations, were already actually printed. Ile thought, therefore, there had been no lack of diligence. On the subject of ability and decision, with respect to' the course it was prepared to follow, no blame attached to .the Committee. It had acted upon the principle that no Re port should be made to the House till it was in possesZon of every thing—to enable it to report with accuracy upon the important subjects submitted to its consideration. The Committee was well aware of the wish of the House fur a report from it on the subject of the public Estimates; and it had already gone through those of the army, navy, and ordnance, in a general way. In attempting to prepare Reports upon those branches of public expenditure, the Committee found that its inquiries went to such an extant, as to render it impossible to make any thing like a perfect Report. Had it originally taken up one branch the reL'ult might have been different. However, as the case stood, it appeared that the public business would have been greatly delayed if the Right Hon. Gentleman had been compelled to wait for the Committee's Report ; and, aceoriiingly the present course was resorted to as the best that could be adopted. Sir M. W. RIDLEY expressed his opinion that :he Hen. Baronet had completely justified the Committee from the charges of negligence and inefficiency. With respect to the subject of impressment, he was sure that a disposi tion existed to remedy as far as possible the evils to which it gave rice, but at the same time be was completely satis fied that it was a power that never ought to be relin quished. Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that on sitting days the Finance Committee had seldom or never less than twenty Members present, who commenced sitting by five minutes after twelve, and continued in deliberation until four o'clock, the hour when the House met. It was impossible for any Committee more fully and diligently to discharge its duties. Mr. CALCRAFT explained. Mr. HUME said it was impossible for one Committee to do the duty devolved upon this. When he stated to the House that the Committee had as yet only taken up three branches of the public service out of twenty that ought to come before them, and that it had not yet got half through these, it would be perceived that Hon. Members must exercise their patience. He had before stated that several Committees would be necessary to perform the du ties devolved upon one. The Hon. Member for Wareham had as a good a chance for obtaining information as the Finance Committee, for they had had only before them official men, who, without attempting to convey any per sonal imputation on their honesty, were, generally speak ing, disposed to defend the establishments with which they were connected, with a view to keep them in their pre sent condition. In consequence of this, the Committee had only succeeded in obtaining general information. Un der all the circumstances, he thought the House must regret that so much time had been suffered to pass without taking the Estimates into consideration. As far as he knew at present, there Was no intention on the part of Govern ment, to reduce a single pound of the expense of any one of the Estimates. If we went on as we did last year, we should be unable to pay ottr expenditure without making use of the loan from the Bank. There was not an amount of income sufficient to defray the expense of the Estimates then on the table; and he should, therefore, oppose them as long as they continued on their present scale. He called on the Ministers of the Crown to say what reduc tiou they contemplated on the whole of the Estimates ; and he did this because he was aware it rested with the Minister, and not with the Finance C ommittee, to r educe them. The Committee calculated u p on what was neces sary in a state of peace. And he was read y to say, that, country really h s e , n be seen whether we could spare a sin gle man. if we were in a state of peace, we only required the same number of seamen as we had in 1793. Why ask for thirty thousand seamen if we we re in a stat e of peace? If (as the declaration then made would lead us to believe), we were in that condition, the e stablish ments of the countly were too great. The state o f our r esources pointed cut retr e nchment as necessary. The Ministers oug ht to de as it re gardedclate i n our what for c e o i i theon utr MESSAGE FROM THE LORD S. gn CONFERENCE ON CATIIOi . IC CLAIMS. i s, and u it would rledsdtoebaelnuni period o the o of the cate the request of the Sir F. BURDETT appeared at the bar and stated, tha_ House for a Conference with their Lordships on the sub ject of the resolution agreed to by the House relative tO he A ha t d th b i e s en p the laws affecting his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects : and that their Lordships had stated their intention to send an answer by Messengers of their own. The Sergeant then advanced to the table, accompanied by the Lords' Messengers, and their Lordships' answer was read to the House. It stated that their Lordships do agree to the conference with the Commons, as desired by the Commons' Message of this day—and accordingly do appoint the same to take place at half-past five of the clock, on Monday next, in the Painted Chamber. The Lords' Messengers having , retired, the debate on going Into Committee on the NaVy . Estimates was resumed.. Mr. V. FITZGERALD observed, the Hon. Member for Montrose had stated that it was impossible for the Finance Cominittee to diminish the amount of the esti mates, and added, that the right of determining that point rested with his Majesty's Government. Now he (Mr. Y. • Fitzgerald) most say, the decision upon this subject rested neither with the Finance ConsMittee, nor with his Ma jesty's Government, but with Parliament. There Was no wish on the part of the Government to throw any difficulty in the way of inquiry, or to prevent the examination of .any person abl e to give information. The lien. Member :for Aberdeen bad stated his main principle to he, that the Naval service required no more men now th an was re quired in 1792. Now, without considering that the Naval powers of other countries had grown up, and as sumed an important aspect, he would merely leave the House to consider, whether the principles of th e Hon. Member were just or not. He believed, that the best course the Finance Committee could have taken was to recom mend this grant to be received by the House, without makii..g any report, which at present they were not P r " pared t..) make. Mr. WILAIOT HORTON observed, that the l Melilla , : fur Aberdeen had inform e d th e House that House end the country would b e di sa pp o int e d, as tat i, statement to he hereafter made by the Finance 1 1; mittee. If there were any disappointment, it would the fau:tof the Hon. Member, and these Hon. (leaden by whom his views were supported, for they had oftenb i out to the country ideas that the expencea of the e t f, blislimeat of the country could be curtailed to the •O te "; of between seven and eight millions. If, therefore, t public were disappointed, it would be in consequence 1' such representations. He (Mr. W. Horton) would ! e ' l , • the Houae and the country must certainly be disappoio w if it were imagined that we could keep faith with to public c editor and pensioner, and effect a saving of betce, seven and eight millions. There could not be a shadoo, a the foundation for such a supposition, and he entered .h protest against it. He considered it would be unwen; of the House to take the partial case of a particular Ye and open that partial ease to reduce our establiabrae n t , 7 The Hca. Member for Aberdeen had asserted that Finance Committee had yet only looked into some snas te o without acting upon any. Now, certainly, it might said of the Ordnance Department, that it had been ple lt af as clean 2.51 possible. The Finance Committee had alro done mml good, and it was not just to speak of it as be' t ' unworthy the confidence of the country. Mr. LIARING differed very materially both frouo V Hon. Member for Aberdeen, and the Hon. Member og r site (Mr. W. Horton), each of whom wished to make it pear to fue House that little good was to be expected f(' the labours of the Finance Committee. On the contra' he considered that much good would be done by it, that, although it had not yet suggested any reduction W s ,' naval force, it had already effected considerable and impor t ant saving. Whether this assertion was borne out would , V seen hereafter. But the House must not think that t ' • Committee had been for several days looking into tbl matters, yet had do ne no goo d b y th e i r l a b ours. H e thogi l the country would d er i ve considerable benefit from appointment. This Committee was one of the few Cl', mittees o. Finance that had been formed on fair princil'S • one of the few which was not hampered by some pan of Government, who upon all questions whipped u p 91 , 1 0 some counter-propositiou, and carried it by his naajoit o The Ccannittee was perfectly fair—every questioo ' t ot fairly put, and fairly answered. If the No n . M e mber s Aberdeen had had the appointment of that Couasnittal v (Mr. Baring) thought its Members were just those would have selected. Mr. W. HORTON, in explanation, observed, that V II , only referred to a contemplated saving of seven or 14 , millions out of fourteen millions; a redu c ti on w hich '`, utterly impracticable. Colonel DAVIES thought that considerable saving 41 tb public expenditure might be effected by the Finance CAA': mittee, athough he considered that the saving of seven 'or eight millions, or any thing like that sum, was totally o r of the question. He hoped the evidence t a k en before t Finance Committee was to be printed. Mr. JOHN WOOD was at that moment in posses of facts, which showed that that House aught not to / Ili I tr the Estimates of •the year until they saw what was t ic extent of the money likely to come into the E xe heques the course of the next two years. The statem en t to V 7P ' ‘ i he bad alluded chewed, that in 1827, there was adeticieo`'i of 127,0001., entirely independent of the five milliors' Sinking Fund. It was, therefore, dear that that Fund was as delusion, since, besides the amount of Iv % Fund, there was such a large deficit in the Revenue.,,l sum of 4,445,0001. was b orro w e d l as t y ear on th e L'' r Weight, and 6,842,000/. were raised upon Exchet i Bills. Out of that Fund the five millions of the Sink; Fund were raised ; an d y e t, b es id es th a t, there was the ficiency to which he had already alluded. As to t' re prospects for the year 1828, the calculation was, that r b : ti would be a deficiency of 3,386,000/., as f ar as regar ded a Sinking Fund, but even that was upon th e suppo 6 ii i° ,; that in the next year the Revenue and the expendi s ,., would be equally balanced. The scheme to pay the de nj was to harrow under this bargain, with the Bank, a t "ji and front whom, lie would ask ? from a n y one who we t ' be be fool enough to lend it. In 1829, the bargain with I Bank would cease, and of that bargain he would say, s h !' o it was one, which tended more than any other, to the ru e , of the country. A more improvident bargain had Pe t ' ej , been entered into, and he trusted it would not be re aef?,. These estimates, had all been calculated on the suppos , "; that this . , country would remain at peace. What, t ill; would become of the country, if they were plunged into 19 , horrors of a war—if they should be obliged, by any citet! .A , stances, to take a part that would lead them to that drt fist calamity, which impending events made it but 'too le bable wcs not far distant. With that prospect, if the HO' perform:A its duty to the people—if it was i n trut h t l ' e representative of the people—it would not vale one farthi' , for the Estimates snore than was shown to be necesaarY' Mr. W. HORTON again explained. Lord HOWICK thought that the House must exe f e i some disappointment, from the nature and multiplicity the labours they had imposed upon the Finance Commits and if they were disappointed, they, a n d not the Cona oo , 4 / tee, must bear the blame. He did not thi n k the Fil 3o ; Conan - liLee was the proper place to consider all the subje c that were put before them, nor to say, in every instau° what were the establishments the country required. Ho l for instance, could they be required to say whether the ll "'" d possible means, at the least expense, were taken to keep "'i the efficiency of the naval establishments? T o arrive" that conclusion, they must depend upon th e sc i e ntific ' W formation of men who knew what was required in 8) 1' building, in victualling the vessels, and in a v ariety other subjects, with which only scientific Dien could hl acquainted. He did not agree with the Right I.fon. G en : tleman, that certain establishments should be kept (JP ' any state of the finances ; but he thought that the CI mittee ought to inquire what was the amount of t d; national income, and the expenditure should then be , to meet it. In fact, the House had been wrong in yotir the estinaates for six months, without any knowledge ° it 1 means of meeting these estimates. Mr. EERRIES would not have risen but for the b r°4l e 4 proposition stated by the Noble Lord who had j us t resou,', 11;s seat. • Front that proposition he most positively (1' seated. It amountied)revinioufasclyt j to us t t h ifi is e , d tli b a y t a n i o i t ro o o n f e o f f s i r ti t a l ought to - exist in the shape of public revenue, unle° such 1, possible to imagine It was neither constitutional nor practicable . A was the duty of the Crown to state what it intended C O ",, a ' and of the House of Commons to consider . what was escoxali:uettee:nce%6l,aBdi necessity. been ;low was i t sary for the support of the honour and dignity of the " t i " vernment. He agreed with the Hon. Member for Ca lington, that if the House and the country were to Put; from what h a d p asse d to- n i g ht of th e h armo ny, °I t „; Finance Committee, of their attention to their inipur i3 "; duties, and of the manner in which they resorted to ev er !, means of obtaining information, they would form a v 4 , 13 erroneous opinion. Of the few Members of this Con''t"j who had spoken, each had dissented from the other, a' s. some had exhibited a warmth of manner which was V' unknownin that Committee. He had not attended Pl i n a 's of the Committees of that House, but he would say he never had attended any where there was so much spirit of concord and good humour as in the Finance LA' I , usittee. After be witnessed that, he moat confess e : certainly was surprised at the attack made upon the cul'u u s y, of the Committee by the Hon. Member opposite, th r° ,i, ing out, ~s he had dune, hints that no good could be 8 , 9 1 0 cipated from a Committee so conducting itself. 14 . , 1e 0 , the lion. Member talked of the way in which evidenc e ," given before that Comm i ttee , and spoke of it as siseles;" lie (Mr. Ilerries) shou ld b e glad to know, if it was less, who was to blame ? Who but the ri m 310 3 ; himself; for, if the e vid ence was not sufficient for the Puo pose, all he coul d sa y w as , that the Hon. Member, wto was better acquainted with what was necessary, oug!' t „ e ,? have communi cat e d his own knowledge to the Ci'irnta'hj and have. ca lled fo r fresh evidence.—(llear.)—rie not but c omplain of th e un f a i rness o f the Members tte ' C om mittee coining do wn t o th e H ouse an d us i ng the 103° '' ledge they obtained in the Committee : but some still worse had been done, for he declared that time stmt m oat which h a d b een rea d to the House was a I° 4 - - g arbled state ment of the resu l t o f t h e ev id ence g i ven bel, the Committee. Lie would only say at present, that conclusio ns to wh i ch the honourable Member hail artict; were quit e un f oun d e d. Il e d en i e d t h e sta t emen t of t io , Hon. M em b er w i t h regard t o th e d e fi c i enc y of ',O Revenu e , an d w h e n the time arri ve d, h e wou ld Kite; iet a full discussion upon the financial state of the coat is( ) riand show that what the Honourable Member had fTio I was not the statement of the finance Committee, or ':t was, that it was erroneous. A view of the finances of o f year, and the Estimate of the following was the labourvei, one individual, and the result stated by the Hon. •Mea l ,. was different from that which had been read to the floy ot He had only risen to protest against the principle state g o t the Noble Lord, which he thought was one that could ',le, fur an instant be acknowledged as either proper or P r ticabl in the gornment of this countil Mr. e MABERLY explained, that the . statemeut the Honourable Member for Preston haul read was 1; y id to that Honourable Member by himself, and lie W o vouch for its correctness. Mr. WOOD denied that he was capable of garbling °l extract, as stated by the Right Hon. Gentleman. l e Mr, HERAIES asouct tho HO, Mtnitm k mesa /~