The Sun. — London, England, 1819-02-06 00:00:00

..~ ~. PARLI A MENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, FEeavAgy 5. The Duke ofiST. ALBAN'S, and Viscount Ati - sov, Vie latter on succeeding to the Peerage, by the demise of his father, the late Lord) were sworn, and took their scats. Connstrwere heard respecting several Sco.ch Judgment on which were posipoped. In the writ of error case, Courts and Autrobus, '. Crosbie, Counsel were also beard. EST, BLISLIMENI' OF 11ER LATE MAJESTY. 'The Earl of LIVERPOOL moved the order of the day for their Lordships' taking into consideration his Royal Highness the Prince Regent's . Message of yesterday, which being read, 1 he Noble Earl rose to move an Address to his Boyal Highnrs; on the occasion. A brief men titsit ot the nature of the goestion now before heir rsoidsliips, would, he smceieed, he amply "efficient, tooter the eircouisiacces, to influence their determioatious. bite sum of 55.0001. per ifichtt , Med in the 11.1,4 ehhhti4wie,ttioh 1.411" 6101 e the House, %las the amount of a por tion of the Civil List, e filch, by the I:omitted demise of her late 'gajesiy, fril to the dispo sa l of the Cron n. This sena aa, MlOCttlfinably asp pficable, at the disci et ion of Ilia Royal Highness, to other departments of the Royal Il o uschohi 11:0i as the Lord Chamberlain's, the Loyd Stew atd's, or that of the Master of the llot se, but as it sell out, it could not be applied to the parti cular purpose for which the Prince. Rey i ent, un der these cirenmstantes, graciously proposed it, as the amount ot pril6loll3 Was, by the general law upon the sohject, restricted to 90,0001 per annum. In In met caeca similar to the present, - the practice was precisely that now proposed for adoption, and independent of the regular advice offered to Ilk Royal Highness on the . occasion, he was influenced by his own judgment and the na tural feelings of his own heart to place the sum in q u e stion at the disposal of Psoliament,at- the anise time patting it to the feeling or justice of Parliament, to accedes(' that: course of procedore sel.ieb had been adopted upon all former -occae &lona of the kind, viz. the secusings the aecus-, tometi• provision to those individuals who had long fool faithfully seeved , her-late Mujestv, in dif fsrent departments of her household. The con tinuation, not of their full allowances or emo luments, hot of their respective salaries, was what was proposed. The extent of these would not in the aggregate exceed 25,0001. per annum, 'whist' would leave a clear sum of 33,0001. per *anon) immediately . subject to the disposal of Parliament. The saving which accrued was [store than butt the sum which had been allotted for her Majesty. He felt he merely bad but to mention the circumstance to induce the just and liberal minds of their Lortiships'to concur in enabling his Royal Highness to carry his visions inten tion i nto dr... c f.—Ow, hear should, no longer detain their Lordships, than to move an humble Address to the Prince Regent, on the occasion of his most gracious Message, acknow ledging the liberality of his determination in plat' ing the aiim Or . question at the disposal of Parlia roent, and ascot big -his Royal _Highness that the 'louse would cordially 'concur in attending to those claims which his Royal Highness had re comtnentied to the attention of. Parliament on behalf of those bolls-Mullis who were long the faithful servants of her late Majesty. The Marquis of 'LANSDOWNE said, he certainly (lid nut mean to offer any objection to what the Noble Earl had specifically proposed. At the same time he must be allowed to say, the subject to which the Message referred, appeared to him to involve a question of considerable importance. meant chiefly as it seemed to assume a power in the Crown, optionally, to place the sum in question at the disposal wf Parliame»t ; as he conceived such an assumption to be inconsis tent ss.-1:!1 the last Act on the subject of regu lating the Civil List. By that Act the, different satins appr-ptiated were exclusively for parti cular services or departments of the Civil List. The Establic'trient of her late Majesty was one of those services ; and the principle of appropriating the funds allotted for this to the service of other branches of the Civil List, may be carried to a length which he thought it never could be in the intention of the Legislature to have sanctioned. Such were his ideas as to this part of the question. At the same time, be could not think of hesitating to pay t h e same marks of re spect to the memory of her late Majesty which was customary on former occasions of the kind. Ile also expected the Noble Earl would have taken the oppoitunity to say something of the inlet,' inns with respect to other'parts of the Royal Establishment, to which the attention of the de liberative wisdom Parliament had already its some measure been directed. The Rat of LAVERN - 4M observed, that the sub ject now before their Lot dships was completely distinct from those parts of a more ex , emive ar rangement to be considered in another place, and alluded to by a Noble Marquis. W:iat was at present before the other House was a course of inquiry on topics which, on a future day, would .regularly come under the consideration of their Loidships. With respect to the particular'objec tion of the Noble Marquis, as to the course pur sued, as militating against the Act for regulating the Civil List, passed about three years since, he could by no means agree with him that the present procedure was in the least against the spirit of that Act. The 58,000/. in question was originally set - aside from the Civil List, for sup porting the establishment of her late ithjesty, •Avith 'an eventual discretionary power in the Crown to apply it afterwards to other branches of the Civil List.. The expenses of other depart , ments of the Civil Litt were certainly applicable eventually to the general service of the public. — When pensions were granted on the Consolidated Fund, the amounts, on their ceasing by the de mise of the parties, were applicable to the public service. With respect to those on the Civil List, in sonic eases : . it was different ; and in the pal-6- cnlar case now before the House„the Appeal was from the Illustrious Personage himself, who had spontaneously placed the whole suns at the dis posal of ,Pailiament.—(Flear, hear!) The Address was then voted nem. dig anti or dered 'to be presented by the Ltreds, with white staves, to the Prince ,Regent..—Adjourned till Monday. [For the PROCEEDINGS in the House of Com- MONS, see the List Page] FOR THE SUN. BANK versus i\IINT. Ma. Ebtrott,—The Depredators have at length found out that Bank Not es may be at a premium ; for such is the absolute import of the information so knowingly imparted by a great Financier to the Chancellor of the Exchequer in Tuesday night's debate, if the Public cbube to pursue the same course as has been taken by melters and ex porters fur some time past. If the reasoning for merly hell out to prove the depreciation of Paper WAS cot rect, its converse must now be true ;hut I will nor press this argum , •nt against the Depre ciqtors fiirther than to observe, that the very fact there stated points out two material errors which have hitherto bewildered them. . . The first is (heir neglecting to recollect that the high prices paid for Gold are not for the purpose of internal circulation, though, perhaps, in "a 5m,a1l degree, for house consumption, but for the pln•- pose of exportation. In this respect too there is a wide diffvrence between Bullion and Gold, even when the prices are at the Mint standard ; for though a :certain number of Guineas are then equal at..home to a certain quantity of Bullion in value, yet there is a difference between the weight of the Guineas and the actual weight of the Bullion, which makes that Bullion more valuable than the Guineas for foreign exporlation. There fore, if we had no Paper Circulation, the exporter would always send Bullion abroad when at the Mint price ; when above the Mint price and be yond the seignorage, his Guineas would bop less than their own weight, and, therefore, instead of buying Gold, be would melt them into Bullion ; but it Gold should fall below the Mint standard, lie would a;ai❑ become a Bullion buyer, nay, he would even go further, for be would either buy the Bullion, and hoard it as a marketable article, or send it to the Mint for coinage, for the sake of the immediate profit being then greater then the seignorage. The second mir consists in their referring the nominal price of Bullion to Bank. Notes solely, without reference to their absolute representative quality in regard to Pounds Sterling in account, or in the market of borne consumption. They argue thus, " the Mint'price is so much, but the Market price is more (forgetting that the one respects coined Gold, the other Bullion) ; of course I must give more Bank Notes for a pound weight of Gold than I did a month ago, when Gold was at Mint standard, and therefore Bank Notes are depreciated." • Bur let me ask again, provided we had nothing but a Metal Circulation, and beef were to he at a shilling instead of nine-pence per pound, all other mtoket prices remaining stationary, would they argue that Coin was depreciated ? Or, again, it Gold were to remain at the Mint standird, and Silver to rise above it, would they argue that Gold was depreciated ? But, Sir, I will drop these possible cases, and look at the question according to existing facts. Now, then, let its suppose that I, or you, or any of the Depredators. with twenty Sovereigns in one pocket, and twenty One Pound Notes in the other, shall set out to purchase an article, a Shawl, for instance, and looking out -for linen-drapery and haberdashery shops, may► perhaps, drop into that of an Alderman and M. P.--4he buyer asks for Shawls, and some are shewn him at 20Leach. lie selects one, and pays for it twenty Sovereigns. After a moment's consideration he cl►iiyes another, and offers his . twesitv Think Notes. Now, Sir, give me leave to ask will the worthy Alderman re quire sixteen Shillings more ? Or, if the buyer pays Notes for his first Shawl, and Sovereigns for Lis second, will that respect= able Linen-draper offer him a discount ? Or, again, if the price of the Shawl were to be twenty Guineas, would the honest Haberdasher re,- , fuse twenty Sovereigns and a Pound Note will answer No ! nor would any .other. decent Shopkeeper or fair Trader in London. I trust then, Sir, the Honourable Gentleman will boldly ride to Edmon—to Westminster, 1 mean, and there manfully correct the errors into which Theoristsare falling, and have fallen, respect ing Gold and Paper. He has manfully and ra tionally declated his sentiments on the .insolvent Bill, both in Common Council and in Parliament; and I trust that in all cases where the real good of the Country is involved, he will do the same ! In other cases Party Tactics may and must exist, fur even they promote our welfare. Your's ABEL SULTIL• - , Land of Nod, A. M. 5819. • FOR STN. LYSOL VE N7' DE liToll* - ' .ICT. ANALYSIS AND COMMENTARY: (Cgutinued.) There ere several subordinate provisions and enactments auxiliary to the purposes of the Act, in reference to the protection of the Debtor, and the rights of his Creditors. ANNUITANT! Of the Debtor on bond, covenant, or other security, are entitled to claim and re ceive Dividends in the same manner and upon similar terms and conditions as Creditors for An unities are - allowed to do under the Bankrupt taws, subject however to the terms of the pri soner's engagement or recognizance for future payment in case Ire shall become able to pay. IVith regard to the liability of future property to its full extent, there is much ground fur argu ment on the principles of policy and natural jus tice. Atrl although it would ill become an in dividual to pronounce a decision, it may be per mitted hint to ytestion the propriety of such a distinction with regard to minor I nsolvency, when it is not found to apply to Bankruptcy. In re terence to the latter, a Certificate affords protec tion. And when it is considered that the liability of future earnings has of temptations to emigrate, it does not seem good policy, that suh seqiiently acquired property should wholly become liable to anterior Debts, under the operation of the Insolvent Act. INTEREST OT DEBTS.—The Act f►rrther pro- . that from the date of the PrisOnei.'s dis charge, all interest on debts bearing interest shall cease; .but it it shall afterwards appear, that the estate and effects of the 'lnsolvent are not only ,ttlicient fur the payment of the principal of the Debts wherefrom he was discharged out of cits totly, and all Other Debts of such prisoner, and to afford him•means of subsistence, but are so con siderable as to render it fit that interest should be pill, the Court may order interest thereon, re garding alwayS the unproductive state of the prisoner's effects during the Administration thereof, PEOCEROINGS OF THE COULiT.—II is 11130 en acted, that the proper officer of the Court, shad, ►n reasonable request of the Prisoner, or of any Creditor, produce and share, as the Court shall direct, all the proceedings had in the tnatt•er re lating to such prisoner, and that copies of sod) proceedings shall be admitted as evidence in . )any Court, withOnt:being written on Stamped paper. MORTGAGES AND JUDGSIENTS.—Proviso, that nothing iw the said Act contained shall , prevent any mortgage, charge, or lien, upon the pri soner's estate or-effects, if made prior to his dis charge, being-effected upon the said estate. : .And where any inquisition has been taken upon any Statute, or Recognizance, or any Writ of Exe cution has been delivered to a Sheriff or his Offi cer, before the discharge of the Prisoner, the per sonal Estate of the Po isoner shall be subject . thereto in the same manner as it would have been subject before the - passing 'of the Act. Rot it will be seen by snbseptetit provisions that such charges on the'property are to be bona fide and nor colourable,'or with any undue preference. OFFICERS 'AND CLERGYMEN.—As a protection to Officers of the• Navy and Army, ss well as to . beneficed Clergy men or .Curries, poss ess ing li-- mited incomes, and becoming insolaent, 4; , ( 1 ris a caution to tradesmen 'and. others not to give du - guarded credit to persons so circumstanced, it 1 ' enacted, that the'pay of such Officers, or t he conic of any benefice or c uracy, shall not 'tie' li' be to the claims 'of Creditors. I'rvvided, i►u y ever, that the Assignees of any insolvent and ob tain of those descriptions wily apply for 3„,t) fain a sequestration of the pr( t ) s ti: , mefice for the against which a of :Ic b .b en discharged, and Clergyman or Curate. h issue in the. same payment that such sequestration I s a a Levari facias . founded vvay as customary on . aiso, that the Court may upon a judgment'. And t at War, or Lords t h e consent of t I Admiralty. In those cases Commissonc rs of t or der a portion oifi'ethseeicaltt.yeteoarrytuta)tr i r aisydeobits, with Of ficer to be app lied in payment which h ai r t e it:aescorbreeedn, v v a r tv h ,,y re 3 fe c r , e ) t il ic , e rni t e o a ti t i v is ii iiiiroa vision, doe regard to the general prinCiple of the Act, and with that equitable discretion which it Con tains. p gßjoß y,—lt is enacted, that -any prisoner, or other person, taking an oath undtr the provisions of the Act, and wilfully perjuring himself, shall, on conviction, suffer such punishment as by law may be inflictol, on oilier persons convicted of wilful and corrupt Perjury.—Considering the vs- riot's provisions of the Act, which subject the pri soner to be closely and strictly questioned and ex amined, as to the truth of his Scheduk, and to a full disclosure of his estate ointleffects,' as well a's. the faithful surrender thereof, and also the responsibility of other persons coircernetl'or con- . fleeted with the affairs o! the Insolventiti.s eta actment must appear highly laudable, anti evinces - the wisdom aril justice of Parliament in prOviding.. proper penalties to restrain or punish moral tur pitude and fraudulent conduct. EFFECT OF DIsCHARGR.--The prisoner having obtained his discharge, under the Insolvent-Act, is toot to be again imprisoned by reason . (4 asty judgment Or decree obtained for payment Of mo ney, or tor any debt, daritages;- contempt for non paymentiof money,•or sums contracted, occadon ed, or growing tine, with respect to which such discharge was obtained, and that ,upon every ar rest fur any such debt. or demand, a Judge is au thorised to release the prisoner, and to order the plaintiff to pay the costs incurred by such pri soner. Butt it is provided, that no prisoner assail he discharged by virtue of the Act from any debt incurred subsequent to his application to the COurt for such discharge front the debts included in his Schedule, and as tO any such new debt the prisoner may be remanded. If any action of escape, or any snit he brought against any Judge, Justice of the Peace, She, iii, Gaoler, or Keeper of a Prison, or any person for Ilse performaueel of his duty uttthw the Act, the general issue may be pleaded, and tie Act given in evidence. .--And in case the plAmitt ,s;),o be tionsuited, or verdict- or judgment pass against him, the defendant to have treble costs. Atid further, if any scire faciac, or any action, he brought against any prisoner discharged by the Act, for auy cause from which he had obtained „le ' sigh his dis • coarge the Court, lie may r-- 4 ` or ‘viei'rcdlicatrguer'inidlgliCtiteitfit the plaintiff bheitol,")llll;ni(eeit°dl ant to have double costs. EXEMPTIONS FROM THE BENEFIT of o r e• ACT' ; EXEMPTIONS It has been .4equeutly urged on the part °ll so d litors, that the relief afforded is too gene”. pot indiscriminate and that fraudulent c onduc t . g bed , d l e r c t e l it, it has been strenuously e°fl ie " de ;: i i sli er vigilantly attended to, or adequately P'l7lsbst Debtors who have acted - with fraud or - v a towards their Creditors, by misrcpresen"lobi Lain that or re h l i i e e a t e s i Ch t ie f l c r oisnfidtilteentcoe'tl°iengtl;qjr orir°llit ~ate/ relief l ik b e e e t t !x i° , extended etl H a vet o be i e )e n t 9i:trig! s e ‘ c t i v a li g o d es io b l e ; come subject to pecuniary demands, for t be v anp Lion of public rights, or private pea ce, ori feirrrea t iCU malieious injury, whereby debt has been in the nature of penalty or daninges• Ac t ' Tile following provisions of the losolve-E s „ ' a" the subsequent Statutes amendiog it, 4re n : o ir. mitted to poblic notice for the purpose of re o tte log such objections, and evincing the dist : J : l od care of the Legislature to guaid \sg t oe , viises and every sueeles of fraud, extravall'aiorf ce, and broom to which debt or c ` i compeosation can attach. Pt isoners who apply for their "I s t° wantonly wasted their estate or etfcc" to or d j ei 'l ) ( r ' i u v d e ulL t ') l l l i e l i Y r (Clisrelj:;isteodrs bere()". of (hetr intent rio, lights, and persons remaining w ilfully inV e "f wilb intent to consume their propel ty * o, r 6 apitlying it to' tlre- discharge of their d` less `it not entitled to the benefit of the Act, til' k ic ficta special circumstances the Court shall th iti " grant their discharge. ATTo tEs , - - S ohiCtTo Es, or persons p• - r et i to art as such, ate not entitled to Ise dis", t a g o re to any debt or demand for money or eu 'ec ..7o ° i ► covered or received for the use of irs,on c on cealed, s or suns, ponies corporate or politic, it 11 " . / , € .; .,:lt it Attorney, Solicitor, or °ther petso o, nof other' or en i i t , c e e r r s t o e l d i t e o n s t o e. tv i rr I s t s s e , : o 1 5 1 , servant regard to any debt or demand for ro°'' e T,', f g ( ) r t ' li f or effects, received or pos,es,,ed by "'"- use and account of his master or c oo' by such servant or triter persoo, realer!, or converted to his OW II O SC.. (• , ie p:(l 77 ' other person with regard to t deb t ai i . t ost ory wising from, or created by, art oti y breach I I ,lco c confidence, unless the person to wit"" ) st)c‘ li or demand is owing shall c,,,„ieot to suc brpr ~ charge, or unless such prisoner shall conthed TEN YEARS 'before his tif)Piic3" 1)/ discharge. a. PRIsoNERS who knowingly and tieFif.o jito e false pretences, or under fictitious Nomes for the purposes of obtainihg 11 , 0 710' other fraudulent means, shall have obtainer} of e;i goods, wures, merchandizes, bonds, bil l ' s ' . t i f s change, promissory ,rues, or other secu ri tr; c:e` money, r;r eft:eels ; or who shfli have c' ; ' e dit„ ° ‘ any deb t .. by fraudulently obtaining Cr „ ii iie r d by any other fraudulent means, Or 'oil , ' • fraudulently removed anv stud:, cat , le, go".!:i'net effects, of the value of liable to be tlisto:,rg.ki by landlords, are not iniiticd to be di sc doe 5 5 from any debt or dethand arisiog consequence Or' esob 11-.:odulesir cou,lticc: i° c with the conseoritcOles-aid, or siiiVes..os ler.4 • FVI - 1. ‘" 1111F/ SUN. NFR 1: 1 1 4. 1 ., Oa . who know my eo f O " isMlt t t !new to the ' Att. air .ear(possjhly occur your I le3 ; 1-' 10 1. "4w time .not, y(o) most pledge v ows' h4 4 ' thern. Utttler-such a surety. th e l a ,- 15 14 11(1 rtlllolls Which am atom: to oiler %soli co"'e d() A ub t ie t c ie r4 r i e i c L e " nt Qttarer Sessions 0 1 t es'' p eel' rough, two gipsies hair; been convicted of t ,ll r te, o C ing an horse, nod sentetieed to de wk. 1 e i : 9-1 attention of nitr lt.ders, throu.di the for'' u t r)! ste your Journal, to the gross inetriality of V I.: (7 1 mew, wit :6 mikes th e d ange r o t a &int' : t- p i t a cts Petul, not upon its own n a ture, but ° 0 where it is comtni.ted. "The LR‘v of Fi''l 4 etc equal ; yet the operations of that b at" . 11ii 14 eqll3l. Had these gip , :.ies stolen an 1101 Se ,cet dlesrx, they would 'have been tried and col'''lcorCY and senteoced in the same manner but of the Regent, before whom their ( ,iFo: ‘` .1 , 1(7 , are ( ' have beets laid, would hive io•eopcscd, 00" their lives. "J'be • woof of. this is see l ; l Recorder's .Report;,tvilercia we see,everY ~ 'io ta the sentence or borse-ste,ik.'S nlit i g ttica tile d transportation. re t Is it too 111 . '101 . U) infer, Sir, that these y r ' rs el' i gipsies hay,. heel) induced to hope ttie truce in the Cnuntry, by thev eatt ole of ' -i)11 :1 4 since, as tiredly, the offence neither isie .1 quires its eno•m ty' ov rih e p lace in pe; rated ?—Wete their seiitence to loo4be'reesorlie, before the Ile.gent, I know. that 1 do no Heir live„" too far on Iris incr. y, when I say that hre Iwould have been p reed. They are be haoged, not I,ec .use stole au hot 00 1 because arty stole it in l'eterborouuh. i ll Sir, these are “wo,l considerationq I ess so, when v Ohl ale !old that the presi" ll) TjerP t l who tried and senteneed (nese i nto), is a , We", ma "; Perh.1),.11,, N/s,,istritie, whit c" 1 , 11 , ') 0 111/ ' and the proprietor of horses il l hi- i i cti i/IP c district, wherein he_ exercised that feat fur are Vet his Diocesan would t m retire fro the jo ° l seat, wcre a case of blood brought before i t : e pit° In the extensive I'....tnpirc of th e Citiaa, n ° c if e l ' puoisimoott can he inflicted without ledge and sanction of the Soverei Irl e thereby ttte amount of clime and m iserY -1 0 1)) . dominions ; ood,:. m ‘ , .:1,1tt is still more importaillig-s ti il l knows whet cy ought to be eseteiserl• I " Y. Sir, tint it these horse-stealers 'fie' i laCt 4 Lows are differently administered "ri difete nt :fi r of the sane .`ante ; and that the locality o f et , measures its punishment. ob s l l‘ Let me beg you. Sir, to give these fe tv . yo; Vations trn early rind a conspicnotts place 11 0 0 0 J""rwil. They are hastily wince') r their subject require& haste, l implore e ll , t ) e ns a i t d t t e r t a lt t i i ,: i t n ) of ot our n. ll l l r in a is t re g r ei s i ; l ;i tt : vb tl : 7)u s t i; c : 1 Father —LOVES MERCY. i 4 , ig, ~4 ~ 1 t~ t i ip N: 1 tr.. (;"