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MORNING EDITION Of the visitors three were Protestants, and two Roman ,Ca. belies; but the power of forming ne w rules and ro g ue moons was transferred to the trustees, and they were alt ogether Roman Catholics, four-fifths being Roman C;.tbolic ecclesiastics:, with power to fill up their number as my vacancies arose. SO that instead of the object M r. Pitt had in view, the Act of 1800 turned the visitat i on rim a farce. divested the visitors of all power, and handed t over to the trustees. Now, if it were wise that s uch a College as Mr. Pitt established should exist, and over which the Gas erument should exercise a vigorous control, such an Act as that of 1500 should not stand. Hain Hon. Member thought that these powers and that control should be restored, than that Hon. Member was bound to support his (Mr. Colqulaeun's) motion; because otherwise they could not proceed a step. Whatever course was to to adopted, the first step was to biing in the Bill which he now moved for. It might he said thta by such an alteration, by removing the Lord-Lieutenant from all control °ter the College, and by removing the con- Lesion of the Judges and dignitaries of the land, they would be placing Maynooth on the same footing as the Be fast Academy, and that would le thcreay dept.:via; it cf the very impottint saec ton it darivsd from its connection with the Crown and the -laden's. Ile adnitted it would do so, and that it would leave the College of Maynooth naneel and isolated to the consideration of P.:shame:at when any grant was propossd. That, loosest' r, appeared to him a strong tecommendation of the plan, and he thought the tio.e was come (looking at the langu-go of tie petitions that had been prezemed from venous parts of toe country) when the dissatisfaction and encrust that exist2d out of doors, as to the system wise! in the College of Mayeootb, should find an eclso and a response is that house. It was time, that the sanction gi; ea by the Government to Maynooth should he withdrawn. If the House would endow him to Ten rto the foutida'ioa of the College cf Maynooth, and the coon, act which it was stated by the Hon. and Learned Metre or for Tipperary exis'ed under the Act of Union, he thought he should be able to show ttem that a very dirre mot coeclasion was t o be drawn from these circum stances to what was reduced by many Hon. Members. Tin compact on wti h the College cf Maynooth was founded was established bet seen three parties. Tile one was tee Roman Cathelic laity, who were very anxious for the establishment of a College for the education of the Catholic clergy. On the other side, a desire was ex pressed and evieced by the Roman Celli :lie hierarchy, who desired that nraynooth should be a College for the general purposes cf education; nod in a document drawn up by Mr. Keogh, on the ea-t of the Roman Catholic Committee who represented the Roman Catholics cf Ireland, it would epee sr that Coenr views were, that no persons should be excluded on account o'the'r rcligh us opinions; that the College should depend upon the peep .e for its support, end be subject to the joint crontal of the clergy and laity. The views of Mr. Pitt were I,ltegether uoequivocal; and on the 23d of Ap il, 1795, leave was given to bring in a Bill for applying the sum of 10,0001. to establish a College, the object cf which was the betnr educ dion of persons protesting the Roman Catholic rcli gior, a:id intended Ix the clerical mitiary theiesf. The last poi..t had been iatrodused surreptitiously, for the Bill was under the conduct of a very clever man, Mr. Hussey, and when introduced by Lim was limited to education ; bet the moment the Government discovered tint the 13;11 had that title, it was instaatly w'thdrawn.—( Hear.) Th Codege eas to he under the charge of laymen as well as ecciesitstice, and there was to be not a College fur the education of eccLsiaoies alone but one for tie joint education c f hymen and coclesiastics. The Roman Ca tholic laity wished that Protestants as well as lioraan Ce tbclics should le educe ed is the Cellege, but Mr. Pitt, who saw too c'eerly the alouses to which that would lead, refused to Sanction that plan. But upon those two pciets they agreed—first, that the Colteee should be a general one ler ecclesialties and hymen ; and, secondly, thet it should be utiles the control of layosea as well as ecclesiastics, and, in point of fact, as he (Mr. Ctlquhoun) ha l alt c_dy ohnen to the House, lay mesa formed the majority of the first Board who took charge of the College. Now, the whle of that system—that wise system—was entirely changed at the present tires. The College no longer ex isted, as Mr. Pot had designed i , for the education of laymen as well as ccelesi sties, and under the control of latonen as well as ecclesiastics. But at the present nvo ancro e College was solely under the superireendence of ecclesiastics, who possessed all the poe era cf appointing professors, &c., and even the power of the exclusion of visa aions—for no viaitetiou was tolerated by the Roman Catholic dasciplire. The compact between the British Minister and the ecclesiastics r f In land was broken, and it was of the utmost importance to Government to know it. Tie compact was broken by those who elteted tie College of Msynooth, in which, at the present moment, no lay education was mini ;d on ; ecelesiesticeil education was established exclusively, and the en- the control was placed in the hands of ecclesiastics. The compact therefore between Mr. P.tt and the Roman Catholic laity of the country was broken. lie was bound to say that as matters now stood, the pcsin on of Maynooth was one of very serious alarm, and certainly sell-founded dissati•fsesion t the people of this country. Without any allusion to the differences between the Roman Cathoine and the Reteitant laity on this question, 'here was a dis tincti on in the Raman Catholic Courch, and a disticcti m of most material importance to this country tetween two abodes of opinion that prevailed there. He alluded to the parties charecterized in that Church as the Montalats and ! ul r - tlontaants.—(llear, hoar, from Mr. O'Connell.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite cheese 1 . Did he thisok that a matter cf no consideration ? He • (Me Coloquhoun) thought it a matter to be considered ; by the whole of the Sates of Europe. Teem was a Com mittee of thet house-appointed in 1816, to ieveoigate the position which the Roseau Catholic Church occupied in tee sa ious countries of Europe. The Report of that Committee Irought out those sigatficant lac y, that a cosi federacy, such as tie ultra-Nloutane system—a confe le- racy possessing laws and canons by whieh Bisheps were bound to a central conference—canons, by which Bishops were bound to eeforce the observation of certain laws within the country of which they were cit;zens—a cotsti deracy possessing such power seemed so formidable to all the States of Europe, that they took th see precautions against the consequences likely to result from it. They would not allow any rescript from Rome without its being seen by the Secretary of Stets for that country into which it was to be ism - educed. They would sect ciliate any con munication to pass between the central conference and the Bishops of that country, without its havirg been seen by the Secretory of State. They would not allow the ap pointment of the Bishops to be vested in any hands but their own. They, in fact, resolved, and executed that re solution, that there should not exist in their own dominions a Church which did not own any close connection v ith the ; State, and which had a close and direct convection wit's ; a foreign Power. Such were the Gailican tiberties fur which, in France, the French wisely con'ended. Such was the lea in Austria—such the law in Ruoi and such the Itw in Prusia. In no one of the count ies of Europe was it tole: rate that the appointment of Bishops r f the ; Church should be vested one the net of Rome. But the rescript of the Pope passe I iota that c runtry ( Ireland) without being seen by the Secretary of State.—(" a-, hear," from Mr. O'Connell). He (Mr. Celquheun) must say that, notwithstanding the cheers of the Hoe. and Learned Gentleman oppori e, those States had adopted a wise course. He woald show the House, from the ern. anions of Lord Castlereagh:, who was a long time the distiogoi.bed advocate et . the Cant:lns—(Pear, from I Mr. O'Connell)—Lord Cs.s.l.re, veer, he must rep. at, a lorg thee a most ardent supporter cf Canto is Ernonci- I patios. He would shew from the opinions entertai red bs that Minister that great (larger was to be apprehended I from the system (alt - a-ndentsee) to which he had alluded. I Lord CaOleroagh did not speak his own ( pi, i.ms Only, but i has speech on the subject in 1810 he adverted to the opinions of Mr. Fitt as co;nciding-with his ( L rd Cactlereagh's), Red Mr. Pat, he shoell say, teas a stuff; authority on the subjec t. It was les wish teat the Cat he licathould continue to be such, but that they should coo seat- themselves with theneosvn Government, and have no dependence upon foreign Powers. The II or. Gentlerrao then quoted the opinions of Dr. Doyle and Dr. M'Ha e respecting the acceptance by Roman Cathonca of the Bulls of the Pone, which were opposed to the laws of the country in srni:hey lived. He expected to bear from the Honourable and Learned Member from Dublin that these were questions f which belonged to other ages and to a differentstate bad the authority of a kneech noblemans,.. ,i (- R society. But he and a oman Catholic, the Count de Mont ' os,that in 1816 the con f e derations of the ', el peach priest s , - undernametnntthee. of Sodalities, became formiloble to the and • Government; the previous year, in a country to whi c h the lion. and Lammed Member was fond of referring, the Catholic Bishops cf Belgium . made a prote s t t o the King of the Nethcreande, declaring that the canonical law, which was sanctioned by the ancient laws of the country, were op posed to the measures agreed to in the States, and that it wero attempted to enforce those measures, and the King . s. -would not follow t heir advice, they would place themsehe4 in collision with the authorities, and %ear.could stirow Nup the H) ever people sgaiest the Gm er nrnent.—( y_ body knew what had been the consequences of that decla rafon in Belgium. At a ll events Mr. Pitt i ntended that the Coll ge of Maynootli should be founde d and conducted on different and mo re sound and liberalrinciples. lie p_ bad not teal to the House any passages from e would the works studied in the College cf Maynoo th, but this h soy, that authors who taught the doctrines most to the civil rights of the Crown, to the laws of the coun try opposed and the peace of the State, were the authors who were read, and whose doctrines were inculcated in the minds of the students. Among the books returned as those studied at the College, founded -with a view to liberalize the Ro man Catholics, were the works of Bellannine, Thomas Aquiaan and others, in which were to be found the fol lowing doctrines He who owes anything to a heretic by means of purchase, promise, pledge, deposit, loan, or other contract, is, ipso facto, free from the contract, and not bound to redeem his alighted faith, even though under an Oath."—(Oh, If Hon. Gentlemen doubted his correctness, they would find the passage in the sth Bock of Decrctals. Dr. Slevein, in page 220, said—" All who separate from the body of the Roman Catholic Church ate exan omunioeted. The Roman Catholic Church has the same ppititual authority ever Protestants as over Catholics." Dr. Sievein did uct positively assert there should be a c ow- Eseetion of property, yet the authorities referred to as studied at the Coilege, instilled into the minds of the Al dents all these abominable doctrineas-4" Oh, oh to from Mr. O'Connell.) No doubt the HOD. and Learned Ges tleman truly and sincerely repudiated such doctrines, but what he (Mr. Colquhoun) regretted was, that they should be inculcated in the College Was the object of Mr. Pitt thereby attained? And if not, why were such books as the secundum secunda of Thomas Aquinas in their bands? The Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland said, in the last debate on this subject, that he did not think it impor tant to examine what books were read at the College of blan'anntin Now, he was persuaded that if it were shown that doctrines similar to those he had referred to, had been promulgated in the Universit of Oxford or of Ca y rn. bridge, they would meet with the vehement denunciation of Hon. Gentlemen • opposite. dissolve the bond of secret • ow doctrines tend to Maynooth had a most , and the books now used in the clergymen educated i nt i cieus inflce-tc© on the minds t therefore a marked difference n be th t e w t e College. There tees en the Cathaic clergy • r of Ireland at the present day and the clergymen of en earlier period. That fact had been admitted by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman for Dahlia himself, in his deace given Lease a Committee of the House in the year 1825. The Hon. and Lesr:ol Gentleman spoke as fol. lows on that occasion :—" The priests who were educated in France were old, I may say, when I became a man. They had a natural abhorrence of the French Revolution, which had borne so much on the Catholic clergy. They were strong anti-Jacobins. By this means there were among them a ' good deal of what were called ultra-royalists, but with the priests educated in Maynooth the arei Jacobin feeling was dying away. They are more identified with the people, and they do not come within the phrase of loyal ists so much as the priests educated iu France." Mr. Dennis Browne stated in his evidence that " the Catholic priests of Ireland were not the same men they were when he first knew them;" and Mr. highs said, that "in his journey through Ireland be had found the old foreign educated priests of that country gentlemen, and men of frank and easy deportment and general information, but by no means in general such good Catholics as their brethren cf Maynooth. 'The latter were men of stiff and rti - 1 (ha rectors, and Ilnugh they mig-lit be men vorsed in tueology, they were profoundly ignorant of all that could leader the mind more liberal. Ti.ey wiire but zealots in religion and men full of a sense cf their own consequence. He bad no doubt that the change originated in the system pursued at Maynooth. It was that syste n which made the priests agitators ; and if at present a foreigu educated pariah pr:e,t happened to be too literal minded a man and less a hater of PrAestantA, a substitive was sent in his stead ready het from Mayncoth, and the old priest was virtually disgraced." These extracts would prove the evil consequences cf the system pursued in Mayncoth. In no country in Europe—not even in Spain—was the spirit of Popery so intensely anti- Protes• ant as in Ireland; and it was most important to the tiviliz ti )n and ppace of that country that a better order of Ca , tholio pri_sts should be c titlithel. Intimidation had been irel to an unpi rallcicd extent by the priests in Ire land at the elections of 1835. Patties were held up t 3 execration, and denounced from the al'ar in consequence cf t9e votes they had given. That was a system perfectly consistent with the doctrines inculcated at Mayeeorli ; but he would ask the Home and the people of this country if they would allow such a system to be continued. No one wished that any man professing the Roman Catholic faith should be, after the Act of 1829, in a worse posi tion than a Protestant. They were placed, wisely as he thought, on the same footing, but he com plained that the priests should be allowed to deneunce from the altars those who exercised as they thought fit fieir eisil rights. Other Roman Catholic States had peremptorily forbidden those excommunications on matters of a temporal nature, and they were neither t;lerated in AuAris, Prussia, or France. No man in those countries voted use reFgion fur any other the i religious purposes. He conceived that the principles of the Roman Catholic pr ests of Ireland proceeded from the system of educst:on adopted in Maynooth. It was natural to suppose thct when young men entered the college at a time of lif:. when they were most susceptible of impressions, and alien they witnessed nothing but the most barbarous and ex ploded tyranny, and doctrines the most obnoxious to the rights of the subject and the allegiance due to the Crown; it was natural to suppose that they should themselves be come intolerant. But he said that was a system which Palitament ought to interfsre with, and which should not receive the yearly sanction of the Lord Lieute cant and of the Judges. It must, however, be sanctioned sir long as the present Act of Parliament re mained in f ece. It roi B lit not be in their poeer to pre vent such duct roes being taught, but it would be in their power to withdraw from them the continuance of a Lrgi Ist ye sanction. Whether it would afterwards be tueir duty to grant any money to a college which would teach such doctrines was a question for separate corkideration, and one which he did not thee shah to deal with. He wished boa ever to put an end to that system of visitation, wlicb was attended with no effect, but which misled the public out of doors, from a suppo ilion that something was done. It would afterwards, lie should repeLt, he the duty of the House to say whether they would continue the grant which was now made to the College of Maynooth. Colonel BRUCE seconded the motion. Lord M 0 RPETH said, that if the question before the licuse had been, whether leave should be given to bring in the B 11 of the Hon. Member who had just sat down, he, for one, considering how much tht.t speech abounded in matter highly criminatory and aituperatiye against the priesthood, and the religious tenets :of a large majority of the third part of the empire—he for one would have no scruple in ca'.ing on the House not to receive any such statements or allegaaions.—( Hear, Lae) The Hon. Member can clidly declared the intention with which be had made his motion. He intended to open a new &id, and lea..e it free for those who had hitherto felt themselves somewhat shackled in giving th it votes against the annual grant to the College of Maynooth. He had said that he had felt precluded from giving his vote against the grant, in con sequence of etialing statute:. By that means it appeared to him (Lord Morpeth) that the Hon. Member had cast sonic reproaclr on those cf senii'ive and tender consciences who had opposed the grant. He ail not see what tiection the Hon. Member could draw between the Act of 1800 and the Ac - . of 1795. Mr. Pitt had, no doubt, been a party to the introduction of the Act of 1795, but he (Lord Nlorpetti) hal yet to lean to learn that Mr. Pitt was not in olfi:.e in 1800, and that he had n - .t accepted the Act introduced by the Irish Parrsonent on the subject cf Nlaenootin It hid been adopted, together with the L-g sla e statutes then existing in Ireland, as part of the union, and from that time the ante had annually aced by tire Imperial Parliament. He (Id not pr pose to follow ta:, lion. Gentleman in his dissertatbris with respect to the d'sparity between the ul.ra-nantanists and th- Cis-Alpiae pAr:y and the various cal:taterteities and etiaties, vsitti ti.e enum , 7ration of which the llon. Mot. b r amused the leisure of the House. It had beeu one of 'b 1,--n•6 aof the Ernaaciration Act ; but there wee many Ho M 'mbers of the House more competent to e t r such r'i caaeions than he could pretend to be, or than he apprele n led the Hon. Member hirreelf could be. He was hapi yto find that there were members of :he Roman Catliche conmur.ity ia the House who would be able, when they heard any statements derogatory to r religion, to contradict it. The Han. Member had st t-d that in R min Cedrolic countries on the Contineet el Europe—in Fra ce and in. Austria—everything relating tc religio t fe.l . nd r the cognizance of a secretary of state. But bow did the Honourable Gentleman propose to deal with the ger a !on in this country ? Was not the Hon. Gentlemen aware that the Secretary of Sate who rrespcn 1. d with t - e See of Rome upon the subject vould incur the penalty of premunire? Tl.e Hon. Gen tleman ought, thereFere, while he proposed the introduc tion of such a system, to have first called on them to rcpe 1 the Act which imposed that penalty. The Hon. Member had sae', that in ether countries the Sate imposed condi tion; on the Catholic clergy, to renounce certain doe trines, and refrain from cer ain pract . cee. The Hon. Gentleman should, howeven have remembered that in t.iose countries net only did the State centrel the con duct of the clergy, but it also paid them; it vnaintairm arid eneavage 1 them. If the Hon. Gen•leiral thought t :ey should interfere with the conduct of the Roman Catholic c ergy iu Ireland, he should hove asked the House to provide son.e more adequate means for keeping that clergy in a state of greater respectability and comfort. The II ;n. Member had quoted extracts from several books, which he stated to be used in the libraries and lec ture-rooms of Maynooth ; he had mentioned Bailey, An toine, and Thomas Aquinas, among the number, but ha must have known that those books v.e , e probably in use in the time of Mr. Pit., and they were certainly in u e when Mr. Percival and Lord Castlereagh auppurted the annual r rant for the 'institution. But even it the !lon. Member had shown that there were many doctrines incialcat and many books read is Maynooth which did not meet e h his approbation, he would still have proved nothing in the case. What was that for which the College of Maynooth had been instituted? The Hon. Member opposite had said that it was intended that a portion of the laity should be educated there, as well as clergymen ; but it was the ob ject of Mr. Pitt, in founding the College, to withdraw those who were to form the future body of tie I. isle priesthood from the influence of the principles end education of France. It was intended that those who were to form the mieiaters of the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland should be educated in this country. That being the ob ject of the institution, unless the Hurt. Member could show that the doctrines inculcated there wee in cont-adiction with the known principles of the Roman Catholic Church, he has' made out no case for the interfe,ence of Paniement. If he could show that the doctrines taught there s e . e con trary to the known rite; and ordinances and inst tutions of the Roman Catholic Caurch, he would then admit that the Hon. Member had proved his CIEC —( Hear, hear.) He eoeld give an illustration of lis averring. Suppose that Maynooth, instead of being instituted fur the purposes of teaching the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church had been instituted for the purposes of educating clergymen in the faith of the Protestant Establisher-telt • suppose that its m of a z in n o g b il e n e d t , h a a s d a te t tr , i g t ‘ l i e .u c e i l u G ese a t in ion it o o f Protestant 9 li Church profesanra us a a n n d at oac c ergy obuet foundi avoc upte.btdi lecturers nua.ii y declaring e c o l f a r t i n n a g t m c e o nl they l were e a e e d i nisntsttaitduot supposeef instituted, should r a r t y t i h u e g a4 o ,l bj e e ,,,s e n t fur e w p h r i ch strong that there was no very great di; inction e testant Church of England and the Church— (Hear, hear, hear)—denouncing in they were pleased to call the terrors of a terms what and inculcated on their pupile that there ' essential difference between the doctrines c o; the s no very thesetwo churches—( Loud cheers)—under such circumstances, they would not be surprised to find that ma ny t . pupils were deserting the Established Church, a n d n.. term ," into the Catholic Church.—(Loud cheers.) If the fl e e. Gentleman had brought forward such a case as that, he would then admit that the Institution had not answered the purpose of its establishment, and that he had made out a case callieg for the interference of Parlia. 'Bent. Honourable Gentlemen opposite seemed to thi n k t hat he was not bo rne out in the allusions whi c h he for their information, he would quote Log_ land m o ad e ; work of authority, The Chuich of En land Quarterly Review, a passage from their critique on g" the OxferTracta.—Jhe Nyhle Lord here quoted a passage from the work allu ded to, denouncing the Oxford Tracts as a direct approach to r d f a ro te m d to sap the foundation f the C hurch Papacy, of d E a n s pvi c u a ti l ( c i within, while lefidels without.] Tnese accusations were brought oi wd o ar and Pepiats were attacking it from notforward against the professors of the Roman C atholic religion,but eg inst the professors of the Protestant religion in a Prc teitans University.—(Loud cheers.) No suds accu sation had been brought against the Prof.ssors of Maynootb. And, whatever they might have been charged with, they had never been charged with any laxity is up holding the doctrines and discipline of the Catholic Church. —(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman had touched upon the conduct of the priesthood with regsrd to their conduct as rela'ed tie the common re'a'ions of life in Ireland. When speaking of a body so numerous as the Roman Catholic priesthood of Ireland, he would not attempt either to deny or defend every action of every member of that body. More particularly did he join with the Hen. Gentleman in repudiating those denunciations from the altar, to which he bad alluded. Such u topics of pot*l • 1 excitement, when urge I from such a plac ° e, musmust be con c s a idered as a deseera ton of the Most High....(Loud cheers.) It was taking THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY, MARCH 3, 1811 from Cour the things which were Cmsar'e.—( Hear, I hear, acd loud cheers.) But with respect to the general conduct of the Roman Catholic clergy in Ireland, and to the iefluence which they exercised over their flacks, with out moaning to flatter the Irish people, and without mea-- ing to say that the people of this country did not possess advantages over them in many pointe, he would say that he did believe that the male portion of that people ex hibited more sobriety—( Cheers)—the female portion more chastity—(Cheers)—and both mete patience under in tense suffering than could be said of either of the sister counties.—( Loud cheers,.) He said thus much, (lie iectly guarding himself against the inference that the conduct which h was about to adopt on this occasion alsould be considered as hereafter precluding him from the tight of voting in favour of the paltry grant of 8,000/., which was all that the State granted towards; the support of the re ligion of the great majority of the people of Ire land.—(Loud cheers ) Seeing that they were told every day, both in and out cf the House, that the Honourable Gentlemen who occupied the benches opposite were ready, nay, that they professed the r selves ready, to assume. the reigns of power, and that thee represented that those reins were likely to fal within their grasp ia a short time—(Cheers)—he thought it de,ir able that the country and the people of Ireland—( Loud cheers)—should see before them fully explei:•ed and de veloped—( Continued chetrirg)—the 'wens and policy which they were prepared t adopt, respecting the Go vernment of Ireland.—( Loud and continued cheerier.) He should, therefore, offer no objection to the present motion }sins. It—( Loud cheers)—and he Legged the House to allow the Hon. Gentleman the opportunity of bringing forward all he had to urge against the institution. —( Loud el eerv.) Sir ROBERT INGLIS said that although the Noble Lord had not, in distinct words, rneationed the University of Oxford, vet he had alluded to it in so significant a mer rier that he felt himself called upon to pre trot that venerable body against the misrepresents ions of the Noble Lord. The publ :ations to which the Noble Lord hsd alluded were not delibercte acts of the University. They were not established as test books by the University of Oxford, and the Noble Lord hid quoted them from tt e works of an psonent.—( Hear, bear.) The University of Oaf ed was no more answerable for the works published is Ox ford, than the City of London was for every work pub lished in London. It was childish, therefore, to contend that the University of Oxford was responsible for every work published in that city. There was this great differ ence Letweon the cases—these books bad never brew made class-books. Did the Noble Lord mean to say that any person had ever teetered from them? Had they ever been enforced ac doctrines upon classes of the young men ? The Noble Lord had quoted them from the tepre sentations of their opponents. Lord MORPETH had not quoted the publication as expressing t'se sense of the University of Oxford, but as expressing the sense of a great multitude of i.crsons with regard to the doctrines promulga el in the Oxford Tracts. Sir ROBERT INGLIS would not now discuss those points.—(" Hear, heir," from Mr. O'Connell.) He agreed with tie lion. and Learned Gentleman that that House was not a proper arena for theological discussions. Cheers.) There were some points with which he differed with his Hon. Friend the Member for Kilmar nock. He Lai alaa,s opposed the grant to Nfajnooth, because. believing as he did that the doctrines of the Roman Catholic r digion were founded in error, he could never conscientiously vote for the appropriation of money for the teaching of that doctrine which he believed to be erroneous. As there was no opposition to the motion, and as whatever speeches might now be spoken would h. all probability he spoken over again, ho would not detain the House any longer, but support the motion of his Hon. Friend. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL would not allude to what had been said respecting the doctrines of the Catholic Church. Ths. Hon. Gentleman had ?teed that he hai Leen hitherto withheld from voting against the grant because it vies sanctioned by an Act of Parliament, and en express compact entered into ehsn that Act was passed, but he had no scruple in moving tor peal the' Act and that compact. If such a proposition lied beeen brought f mrward by a Member of his (Mr. M. J. O'Connell's) religious eemmunion, he couli not help thinking it would have been denominated jesuitical. (Cheers and laughter.) But Her. Members on the other side seem to possess peculiar privileges in that respect.— (Cheers and laughter.) With respect to the grant itself, he was perfectly indifferent, believing, if it was withdrawn, that greater exerticns wculd be made by the Raman Ca thol'es to place the College on a respectable foseiesa. (Cheers.) T 1 e principle of the Hon. Nlemter for the University of Oxford was an intelligible one, but it might have a twgfold application, and if it should be found in convenient in its application, they had nobody to thank tor it but themselvea.—( Cheers.) This motion was brought forward for the purpose of supporting the Mayncoth agi tation, which had rather been discontinued of late. The agitation havirg been recently confined to the differences between the Evangelicals and the Puseyites, and he would not allude further to that subject, as he should be soiry to throw any obstacle ia the way of one of those parties c 'n forming to the communion to which he belonged, to which they seemed rapidly approaching.--(Cheers and laughter.) The Hon. Member hal quoted Inglis's Travels in me'ation to Maynooth Cellege. and had attempted to excite a pre judice against the Roman Catholic clergy, and uufwtu natelytherewere many reedy to believe any story, however im probable, provided it was circulated of the Roman Catholics. Ile did not think this feeling was confined to the unedu cated and the vulgar, there was a publication which was comi Icred the organ of the high Tory party, he alluded to the Quarterly Review, which, in an article headed Ito_ monism in Ireland," afforded an exam; le of that kind of a; i it to which he had adverted, that of shadowing out a spirit—giving nothing tangible to lay hold of, but doing everything that could raise prejudices and excite schism. The Hon. Member then proceeded to read several extracts from the Quarterly Review, and proceeded—Such state ments disgusted all rational and thinking men. He hoped they would see the Bill of the Hon. Member for Kilmar nock shortly, as he hoped the Hon. Member would lose no time in bringing it in. As he had said before, he thought the Bill was not so much an object with the Hon. Member as the making of a speech.—( Laughter. ) The Hon. Member in the opening of his sr each had talked about avoiding asperities, now he (Mr. M. J. O'Connell) would leave it to the House to say how far be had done so. —(Cheers.) He trusted the House would not lightly ease censure upon the Roman Catholic priesthood in Ire land ; time, howevee would be gi e hen the second reading of the Bill for considering that subject. Tie Noble Lord the Secretary f.:r Ireland had not overdrawn the influence that that body of men had over their flocks, and he thought they might challenge comparison for piety and devoion with any body of men, whether connected with the S.ate or not.— ( Cheers. ) Mr. CUMMING B°.UCE was disposed to agree with the Hon. Member who hal just sat down, that many of the Roman Catholic priests had performed their dut es in a manner that could rot be questietel. As the Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland had stated that it was not his inte Alen to oppose the introduction of the Bil', he shoul I not occupy much of the tine of ti e House. He thought tile speeches that had been made on the other side had not answered in the slightest deerce the excellent speech of his Friend who had introduce] tae subjeca The Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down had expresse I a hope thst the Bill would be introduced as soon as possible. Now for his own pact he must say, after the postpone ment by the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies the olmsr right of so important a mn, asure es the Registration of Voter; (Ireland) Bill in consequence, an he saici, of the pressure of other public business, he (Mi.. C. Bruce) thought his Friend was bound nut to introduce his Bill till agar that most ii,pottaat period fixed upon by tie Noble Lord, of the 24th of Apri). He trusted his Friend would not be so uncourtentS as t h introduce it be fore that period. Mr. LANGDALE wished to make a few observations with reference to what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Kilmarncek. That Hon. Member had repeatedly re ferred to time word allegiance, and from it he deduced that the Roman Catholics were disloyal. Now, with reference to that, he must be allowed to say that time Catholic held a very different allegiance to his Sovereign from that which he held to the head of his Church. They were as totally, as entirely distinct as the two principles of spiritual and temporal authority. He had repudiated over and over again the doctrine that Catholics did not bold the same allegiance to their Sovereign as was held by those who were members of the Protestant Church. The Honourable Gentleman said that the Catholics denounced the Protestants as heretics and schis mat'cs. Now, he should like the Hoe. Gentle njg to state the difference between the Church of and the Rcmi Ii Church in that respect? Did not tl.e Church of England call those here ics and schienatics who differed from them ? The Hon. Member for Oxford had stated that he was a Churchman, and any doctrines incompa tible with that Church he felt bound to deprecate. The Hen. Gentleman had said that there was strong anti- Pre te_t metism in Ireland. He would ask that Hon. Gen tleman whether there was not a strong anti-Catholic ft.el ing iii Ireland. Waa there not a party there who, when the claims of the Catholics were acceded to, kept eta that feeling against them that existed in Ireland before? Then it was said there was strong preaching in the pulpits in Ireland. Was there, he would ask, any stronger language used than that adopted by the itinerant preachers of the Protestants in this country? He alluded to Me. MnNeile and others who bad gone through all the large towns of the kingdom, reising a cry against the Catholics. If the spirit with which the Catholic Emancipation Bill was brought in by those great men who had introduced it, had been acted upon in Ireland in ti.e spirit in which it had been acted upon in England, those prophecies that bad been made at the time the Bill was brought in, that it would turn out a failure, would revtr ha ve b een accomplished, f er i t w ou l d then have , Ge ntleman wo u ld never hive had occas i on to b ring b een for ward an entire settlement of the question, and the Hon. motion T ( ) . N f the ai description d thatf eheh believeda Hear, hoer. called hotr.the t h atten tioneßo Roman a n Cat o c Catholic e the doctrines House to a h t a a t u n g i h g t ht by _ great b porti Mr. on of the priesthood of Ireland, been descrit ed, h e f ur one of the nature which had just would success of the motion before the e n i ot be anxious for the louse. He believed that the Hon. Gentleman had sad truly, f o r hi mse lf an d for a very larg e b o d y of the R country and Ireland, t h at they bad cpomanu d catholics of this oaths the doctrines whi c h were rimpute d, iateJ upon th e i r and which he was obliged to say he continued to impute, in the Coll •ge of Maynootb. But if the statements to the ?near era bad been made both in and out o f the House for fie which six successive years were not true, he was surprised thvatreer spectable and conscientious Roman Cath o li cs , who o pr fassed to be the friends of that College, should not be the first to challenge inquiry, and refute the charges which had been brought forward. If the Hon. Gentleman would fairly meet the charges, he (Mr. Litton) would be most happy to assist him in the investigation. There were none who were mere inteme ted in having this question se tlt d than the respectable, loyal priesthood of Ireland; none ought to fei half so much anxiety to grapple with the subject, not by rea ding scraps of books, b ut b y b Idly and fairly testing the whole of the state met tg.—( Hear, bear.) Ho wou ld not then used at May. go at any length into the contents of the class-boo k s nooth,—but he pledged himself to prove, on a future oc casion, that they inculcated, in almost every page, all I the intolerance and disloyalty which was evinced by the fey parai.Jrnplis read by his Hon. Friend the Member fir Kilmarnock. The Hon. Gentleman who last addressed the House had candidly stated that he bad never looked at hose books, and that he did not even know their names Yet it could not be said that the motion then before the House bad taken them by surprise. For five successive years exactly the 83010 statements had been made ; for three or four years the same divisions had been taken; and Hon. Gentlemen could not therefore be unaware of the nature of this motion. He would now give notice that upon the second reading of the Bill he would call upon the Hon. Gentlemen opposite to deny if they could, or to ex; lain away if they . could, the distinct palpable meaning of those words which had been read by his Hon. Fs lend who opened that debate, and of others con tained in those works to which he had referred. He should then show that no man reading those works could doubt palpable meaning, especi a lly as dde that s se their to the unl earce i, war , fi rs t, t o arto youth h n a a n n d d inculcate the absence of allegiance to the Crown, and next, to inculcete that ostaa need not be kept with het etics, if the interests of the Roman Cati.olie Church repaired that they should be broken, and he thought that no conscientious Roman Catholic shculd suffer such allegations tole° iniansee el or unin qua•ed let if he was convinced that they could be dis proved. —( IL as, hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL rose and said, Sir, I be 'in first by saying that I believe all that is taught at Mair.ootli, and text, tisat I nil check, from re , peet, to the Home, my contempt fur some assertions that I haveiteard made te ( Hear ) I have heard it said tint the charges which have been made to-night have been made frequently in 0 is Huse before. I have been longer in the House than the Hon. Member, and I Inver heard anything ut tered in this House so indecent as the assertions r have heard made tc-night. He says they have been made else where. Oa, I admit that they have been made elsewhere. He says they have not been denies. Oh, Sir, they have been denied as often as they have been made, and the it falsity has been demonstrated to such a pi cit that I am asteasiilied that a:sy man's prejudices, orhis inte rest, or Lie prejudieesi interest, could indu ce h im t o re p eat assertions which have been so indignantly denied. He has talked if allegiance heieg frittered away by our religion. I will pin him to that—l will prove to him, wiseaever the subject comes forward, that there never was a more un founded assertion, that bigotry never instAated nor did malice ever .utter a calumny more untrue. Ile has, in talking to gectlemei, who are his equals at least, presumed to say that they disregard their oaths. I will cot trust myself to say how that may be answere I. If i: was answered out of this House I should say it was as false as Ee'l. He never can prove it—he has proved nothing. He has quote] the r:bellry which has' been uttered at fanatic meetings, -and he has called for an inves tigation of these cheeps without attempting to gave page or chapter. If he had done so I have that by me by means of which I could in three minutes have refuted his statements. The Hon. Member who spoke last stated that the lion. Gentleman quoted books. Ali I lie did en ; he quoted two passages by page;; I hase them before me, and it it were not that I have something more important to do at present than to go through these pas saces I would show that there is not a single word la them which a Christian should be in the slightest degree aslia ned of er shrink from avowing, or that a Christian should not utter; and that there is not in the passages quoted a single word which is ineensisteat with the charity which belongs to asy c , eed.—( Hear, hear.) Ho has quoted from 1)r. Sltvio, and a number of other works, but he did not give me tae page. I called t) him fir the page. He either 1:al it or he had it not. If he bad it and concealed it I leave him to the judgment of the House. If he had it not, I ask how could he presume to come down to this house and writs out the pessige and nut give the page in which that pea sage was to be found ? I with tell him why be did it. It aas because he knew that if he gavT the pate he w:auld be canna iicted in a moreest, and confuted, too, wit's' ease. The lien. Gentlemen is, in his general conduct, a gen tleman of palfect candour. lie avows what he thinks, and follows it out to all its consequences. Sir, I would wish is imitate him--it is my ambition to be like him is that res; Oct. I am a Catholic as be is a Protestant, and I wish oily to express my rea l f ee lings upon this subject. He has given his opinion upon every occasion hitherto without the least discourtesy. I always respected him f .r it ; but I cannot say that I satisfied with his answer evening.—( Hear, hear.) Sir, the Noble Lord,who has spoken of the Puseyite d. ca-ines, did not attri bute those doctrines to the University of Ox ford ; but he did impute them to several cler gymen of the Establishm en t who had been educate! there ; he did impute them to the professors at Oxford, and, I believe, he imputed then to a Bishcp educated there; and he said that, contrary to the oaths which they had taken, they were preaching Popery through the me dium of Protestantism. 131 -ssed be God, their deco lees are very near those of the Roman Catholic Church. I am very glad that they base commenced this charge; I e joiee io the triumph which it gives to our religion. The Hots. Gentlemarecommeaced his speccla with a declaration that be would not willit gly say one word to wound the fee lines of those who differed from i r rc li;ion. Such was the commencement if his speech, and yet in that speech he introduce! one of the most %ialent tirades cf the most abominable calumnies that e ere eves heard.—( Hear, hear.) Now, if instead of being a sincere gentle man he had been an arrant hypocrite, woul i he not have followed the same course, b ginning with professions of liberality, and ending with vituperation and calumny ? That is a course which is altogether sirs beconaig in him. lie quoted authorities, and he r.ferred to the Cisalpine and ultra-Montanist doctrines; and cer tainly he has got the most left-handed views of those doc trines that I over heard.—( H ar, hear.) If an Catholic clergyman had beard his statnnent of those cloctsine, he inust beye been exceedingly ensured. The quarrel in that case was an invasion by the State upon the Church, and he Ins quoted a running commentary upon the violence of many cf the Fiends is that quarrel. 1 7 .:F, Sir, he is Ore right—the Parliaments were opposed to the liberty of the Church. And what was the result? The French Revo lution, with all its horn re, the infidelity which brought on the Revolution, and the trampling upon nil institutions wt ich accompanied that Revolution. But I may remark, in passing, that there seems to be no g e a t syrnFatily on same pob to between himself and the H on . G en tl e nan w h o seconded his motion. If I mistake not th e Hon. Geed- man is a No" n-intrusionist whilst the Hon. Gentleman who seconded his motion is an liitrusionist. I saw the other day a speech of the Hon. Gentleman th e M em b er f or Kilmarnock, in which he disclaimed any connection with that party who thought that tee State should presume to interfere with the Church. Do she Honourable Gentle men agree on that point? No they entirely diTer. The Nen-irstrusionist sets the State at defiance, deriving his views from Jobn Knox ; the other is for giving the state control over tl.e Church. I tell the Hon. Gentleman that I don't think the qiitirrel of the Scotch is likely soon to termieat2—it seems to be at pretty a quarrel as any per sun iidinical to tl e peace IT that Church could deli. e. I beg to tell di ri also that tie ult a-Montaue deetilue. es far as we aee concerre . d, is n ow at sin en d ia all Catholic countries. Let him go into any State cf Europe and show me a state is which C.uholiei y is not extend inr. Li t him go through the vvoill and show me a state in which Piotoq setism is extending. I sin sorry to make there remarks, but I i,ava been forced into a polemic's] discussion, and I slsould be ashamed were I cot orepared to giy toe reach for the hope that is in me. He talked f Bulls which were required to be published in tle addresses to the Cr‘tholic Bishops. We struggle] -f emareedation—it was cifeied to us if we gave up th 3 ap eoi.,tme .t < f our Bishops. Wo flung cuaecipa on to the %Lids, rEther than our Church should bow her head to any Church w hatever, or have her ta - n i s i e l b y arsy adul terous connection with authority. We have nit triumphed the le-.a. The lion. Member talks of the dif ference between the Irish priests educated in France lied those educated et Maynoota.—( Hear, hear, hear.) he quotes Inglis; as an authority the writer, not the Member.—(A laugh.) The House will see at once what discri nination the Hon. Member possesses., when he tells them that Inglis wrote in 1832, and that there had been no education cf Irish priests is France since 1792. Li that year the Fs mach Colleges were suppressed, and no man was afterwards allowed to go to France to be cdu rated. I cell leave the House to say how many of those who were educated before 1792 are how alive. It is manifest that the priests educated before that pc:mind were not, as a body, living in 1832. I give the Honourable Gentleman credit for not discerning fact from falsehood—truth from error. lie is under a happy kind of delusi in on this sniajsce The lien. Gentleman has alluded to Lord Castle! e gh as being a great thee logiao ; that is a Tsality for selnch I never before had given him credit. He has also fef:rred to Emmett, and he has read part of Emmett's evidence before the Coe,- mitts e °film House of Lorelsweluan he-acknowledged Lim • self a traitor, and consented to be examined. Let me not be supposed to speak slightingly of Emmett. He was ati accomplished gentlemen ; he was a conscientious gen tleman ; he was a man a d orne d w ith all the virtues of pri vate life ; he was rising exceedingly fast in his profession, and was learned in every science ; he was a rigid , PreB4.. tcrian ; he ell's:irked i n th e sc h e mes of the de rearm Rye. lution, a cause unworthy of his talents and se tucs ; he was one of the United I id; Execteive Directory; when be was captured he gave ths.t evidence. But wh at authority = he for Catholics? He had no connection with the Cathodes. In thet insurrection there was scarcely one Catholic gen tleman implicated. Almost every gentleman executed was either a Protestant or a Presbyterian. I du not remember one Cath o l ic w h o was execu t e d for taking pat t . it, though I remember many Protestants and Presb) t.e riane. He has, inde e d, ma d e a l ong dissertation on the 1:..- timidaion used by th e pr i ests, an d ae has ventured t House to say that he can prove to demonstration that suety intimidation is i n f orce . Oh ! Si r , t h e facility with which Honourable Gentlemen can make assertions they have no means of proving I Doss he know that there has been no less than thirteen Committees before every one of improperly by electors were influenced mproperl) by the intimidation of the priests ? In six out of these Committees, the pop u l ar M em b ers were unseated ,but not in t in one of them was th ere an attem pt m ade to implore prove inti midation or miscond uc t on t h e pat t of the priests. :Slot in one of them was the charge which be makes established._ore the An opportunity f o r pr oo f was o ff er ed; and I i Howe only to reme m b er th at t h a t opportunity of support ing the statement on oath was neglected, and flinched from by those who continued to repeat the calumny. To be sure these priests have taken a part, they have spoken in disparagement cf bribery and of perjury ; but I deny that they h ave d one aug ht that is unworthy of their sacred office. Mr. Singleton he mention.. Was Mr. Singleton ever withi n t h e - wa ll s of a Catholic Chapel ? Was he e ver w i t hi n the precincts o f a Catholic altar ? I did before imagine I need Such me n s p ea k what they h i ve h ear d, and what they would have o th ers believe • but thrc ti ghout the whole of that ev id ence there is but ono witness who speaks of being present, and as w e hive bad a discussion about him treat that cal umny upon t h e pr i e sthood with contempt. ,S notir,t now et that tErxeceteer Hallhis statements. was which a l one such low, filthy, loathsome , f a lsehoods against the Catholic c l ergy cou ld b e uttered .—(Cheery.) sements, But the place in thought that the utterance of these mean calumnies would ' be confined to Exeter Hall. Is that, Sir, to be - t-aes planted into thie House? Are we t r hove Exeter H I here? Tao speee'n of the Horeerreine (3 2 1 tlnnen been ca'led an able s p eec h ; Si r , I so y th a t it ,e, a a slanderous and calumnious speecb.—( Loud cheers.) He brought forward charges against us, but be took espe cial care not to enable me to contradict him, and would not give me the page from which he quoted, after I had asked him. I repudiate these doeteines, every one 0: them.—(C leers.) They have Leer) repeatedly repeated and reput•iateti. —( Hear, bear,) My i ternal salvation de pends on my sincerity. I speak in the presence of a God. who will judge me; and I cannot aff ad to annihilate N single portion of the comfort, consolation, and hope, that is in me.__( Cheer=.) And who is it that utters those calumnies against my religion? A disciple of Jobi: Knox. If the Hon. Member for Newark (Mr. Glad clone) vas here, he would not allow the Church or :he Honourable Ye nber (Mr. Colquhon) to be a Church et all. —( Loud leugleer.) Is there any ordination in his Church? The Hon. Member for Newark will nr t allow it. And w ho was the fotioder of his Church ? Hag the Hen. Gemlereem (M-. Cc.lqulioua) read Mr. Tytler's work respectirg Queen Erizebeth, and hie charges against John Knox ? Dees be know that Tytler proves him to have been ae accessory before the fact to two murders? Hes he read the works of John Knox himself ? And does lie know that. John Knox says that faith is not to be kei t with Catholics ? We have ever disclaimed such doctrines., anti I defy him to prove that Catholics eve: held the Chi eee ) Faith is to be kept with every body, and that man, let him call himself what he may, breaks the law of God eh) N i ,letes Nth with any Iranian being.—(Cheers.) John Knox argues distinctly that faith ought not to be ke e t with heretcs, and he kept none, for having obtained trewer by mean?. of Cathoies, his first act was to abuse it by procuring laws to be enacted against Papists. Talk of allegiance! Had the disc . ple of John Knox never heard of his " Blast agsiest the monstrous regiment of women ?" Di I he not picach up rebellion, and condemn sovereign authority ? I have been unwillingly for ced into this polemical discussion. My religion has been a'.tacked, and it is my pride and my duty to defend it. 4is the ancient religion of this land— it is the religion of Alfred and of Edward, of Feeelon and of Sir Thos. More. It is a religion which existed curing :he le. seeufon of the early Christians, and has survived lie flames and wild beasts of the Roman Amphithe.tce, a-id it will ex•st when some traveller from New Zealand shall sketch the ruins of St. Paul's from the last arch of L :neon Bridge. As I sa;d, I did not provoke this discus. sion ; but I have other topics. Can anything exceed the bigotry of the petitions which hare been presented ? Do they net breathe all the rancour of the early Reformation, as it is called ? And was not that rancour exhibited by the Gentleman who gloated over the bigotry of those petitions? "It was time," said the Hon. Member, "that the House shod I respond to the sentiments that had so long existed abroad." I know there are millions in this country who scorn such scntimente.—(Cheers. ) He talked cf a re3ponse in this House, and I sa y Ho nourable Gentleman on the other side cheer the most :malignant and unfound° I of his assertions. Blessed be God, the people of Ireland know that bigotry so foaerieg and boding ever, never polluted this house before. I wish I could prophesy it never would again. It shall not do so with impunity. Talk of the people of I, eland ! Do not judge of them as they are cAumnitted, and their rag ion perverted in this II ease. Has not tl:e Noble Lord given you their character ? Are not our women among the purest —are not our men among the most temperate ?—(Leud cheering.) Is not their religious feeling the strongest ? The Hon. Gen , ilernan tells me he has he-n in Ireland. 11's visit was not one of mercy and charity, but to discoter what he could blame. —( Hear, Lear.) In Ws own evidence there is no mirk of candour, or I would read it for him. He has been there ; and dots he know any people on the face of the each so many of ashoin a - c commuiricaete every Seeley in the yea..? The ;Alter rails are thronged a ith them, and let Honourable_ Gentlemen remem ber hew they regard the solemn mystery there consum mated, and tell me where, on the face of the care!, they find a people with so much zeal for their religion, sane so much practical piety a; the poor people of Iren hind.— (H7an hear.) True, they have their errors,—re venge is perpetrated among then, and under its influence many are scattered al read and meet with untimely de.ths; vengeance has treken down the restraints- of religion aid the feelings of humanity; but look at the country, and contrast it tail your own, or with Scotland, and you will find crimes infinitely less in proportion and atrocity. No hoir:ble murde-s are committed there, from the base motive of acquilieg a little property.—( Hear, hear.) I am proud of being the representative of such a people. They are a religious arid a moral people, and true religion and morals is still spreading through the !awl. I hold in my hand a document from which I will read to you what the state of the population ie. You talk ef Protestant Ulster. There are 976,088 Protes tants of every description in Ulster, but there are 1,592,828 Catholics, giving us a majority of 116,740. In Leinster our majority is 1,334,014. In Munster it is 1,975,964, and in Connaught 1,166,280, deducting only 57,750 Protestant , . Is it th e n in thi s H ouse that the cry of bigotry is rai,ed and propagated against that country ? It is not wise—it is not prudent—above all, it is hot Christian.—( Heir, arid cheery.) Would to God an end were put to these polemic:el discussions; and they would be put an end to if tee Hon. Member would mind his own religion more and that of ethers less. Let him study Presbyterianism, let bin steady the principles of the English Church—it is said he communicates with it. I hope it is a calumny es he is a Pies` e i in. I conjure him, the,eroie. to look a t hi s own re ' and not at the ti tig religion of others—of oth ers w h o. are r o more than him se t tri.t2d ui.h any ore doctrit:e inconsistent with the purest morality or the precepts of the Divine lair, either ' capeised or implle l , and whose ancestors had the courage to sacrifice the last drop of their blood rather than ahae don by deed, or word, er insinuation,' one inrticle of their faith.--.(Loud cheers.) I beg leave, Sir, to support the Hon Meret.er is asking leave to bring in his Bill, but I believe he will net or bring it in.-- ( Hear, hear, and aughter.) Mr. e:ergeant JACKSON he,gan by eulogising the character of the Het. Member for Ki:marnock, that, whom, he said, there was no roan in this country teller possessed mere moral and religious feeling. Was this question to be met by an attack on such a man, or by an attack on John Knox ? His Hon. Friend's statements had helm denied, but be ( Mr. Sergeant Jackson) was ready to prove, and to give chapter and verse for their. The Him. and Lear-eel Gentleman ( Mr. O'Connell) had misrepreseetud, R 9 was his custom, what had fallen from his Hen. Friend, who had not stated that he quoted from Mr. M•Nevin before the House of Lords, but from the work published by Mr. M`Nevin himself. Mr. M'Nevin was a member of the Roman Catholic Conarnit tr for establishing a Roman Catholic College in Ire land— a feviurite project at treat time. What he ha' written, and what had been quoted by his Hon. F iend, was as folorvs :—" The Education Committee for the united education of Roman Catholics and Protestants to be dcpendent on the peoele for support, and under the joint control of the clergy and tee laity. But the clergy men determined to have the sole control, and procui ed the assent of the Crown by addresses against Defenderi4re." That wat the ttatement of his Hoe. and Learned Friend. The lion. arid Learned Gere'ernan the Member fir Dub lin stated tl at the conduct of his lion. Friend was inde cent in the higl,est degree. What was the facts of this cas'..? 'I his College was e-eablished in Ir. land for th ,, purpose of promulgating sound moral principles. u h was the intention of the Legislature ; but, as his Hen. Friend had said, " SV43 that the result ?" He said no, !au ...e he found books containing objectionable metter u-,ed in the course of e lueerion. lie could refer to them. The Commissioners in I 534-5 applied to the Principal of the College of Maynooth to be furnished with a list of the boils uscu by the students, and a return was made which might be found at page II of their Report. In it he found the names of all the books tile students were required to pur chaee aid also a list of those recommended to their use by the Prefessors. Among them would he found all those from which these objectionable passages had been quoted. It was a question whether the Roman Catholics believed these allege He ( Mr. Sergeant Jackson) thought they did not beli ve them. He beioved no educated Catholic in that House or out of it be1.e...el them, and that if they eery a V eof the use of such books by the students, they would denounce it. He agreed with what had been said by tue Noble Secretary for Ireland as to the religious charac ter of the Irish people. He (Mr. SergeantJaekson)believed there was not a more pious and singularly religious people upon earth than the poor Roman Ca holic popu -1 e LAI of Ireland. —( Hear, hear.) Could anything, there fore, be cone, ived mere cruel than t allow those who were to be their teachers to'be instructed i n such books? • —( Hear, hear.) He said it would be a great wickedness in that Assembly if ti is fact were proved to their satii fac!ion if they continued their support to an institution in which such alsomiaations were tolerated and promulgated. ['trey had been told no references had been made, and therefore, though he was sorry to weary the House, he would give one or two :—ln Bailey's Modern Theo logy on the subject of theft, chapter 7, page 232, was as follows : " How greet may he the quantity of thirgs ',Olen in order to constitute the theft a moral tin ?" And the answer was, that the question was not easily determined, and that the offence was less with re spect to a rich man than a poor one, who could lass afford the loss. Then " Dens' Theology" eistin guished four classes of men. First, the illustrious, or those who lived in splendour; 2dly, those who lived on their own estates, and in competence ; 3dly, artificers and those who supported themselves by their own labour; and, 4thly, the poor who supported themselves by beg ging?; and it was clearly laid down, that, in order that theft should constitute a moral sin, from the first rank fifty or sixty pence were suffiti.nt; from the second rank, forty pence; from the third rank, twenty or thirty pence ; and from the fourth rank, four-pence, or even a penny, if they had nothing else to live by than begging. Such was the scale given to regulate what amount of theft was required to constitute mortal sin. It was also alleged in the same work that a woman might steal from her husband, if it were for the support of her children, an Ito keep them from want. Such were the morals in culcated in a seminary established for the education of the Roman. Catholic clergy and laity. Again, on th e sub ject of oath s , i,. was h e ld t h at a man might vlolsto an oath under certain circumstances, and on the express order of his superior, and it would be remembered that all the monastic orders in Ireland, the Dominican?, the Fransis cans, the Augustins, and the Jesuits, bad their heads or superiors resident at Rome, and yet these men were to be allowed at too dictum of their superiors to violate any oath they had taken.—(Mr. ,Langdale--" No, no—it i s not so.") It was so stated, however, in the book, unless his understanding was very obtuse. He should be glad to hear some explanation of it. He should not occupy the time of the House by giving other quotations from the wt rk to show that that as as the doctrine held with respect to oaths, but he could an hundred other instances. Ho bad been induced to refer to it, in consequence of the challenge thrown out on the other side, that there was no I ground for the statements of his Hon. Friend. The Noble Lord said, of the works read in the College of Maynooth, many taught the Roman Catholic doctrine that that House had no right to quarrel with theta..—(Cries of " Hear, hear,") Now these atrociotts doctrines which had been referred to in the course of the debate, bad been condemned end censured, and denied both in and out of the House, and it was ssil that they te; ere ineo ly a part Leo? scriee of ealuo ' Le! ; heaped upon the Roman Catholic body. The boob wee e now set forth —their names end titles were give:-, and if these doctrines were reptejiated and scouted by the Catholic body (and he sincerely- believed they belonged to no religion), why not have them erased from the list of books which were presented fir the instruction ef the Roman Catholic laity and clergy ? tic thought the House owed a deep debt of gratitude to his Hon. Friend for. having brought the subject before the House, and it was scarce just or equitable to heap odium and abuse upon ' him for doing so, when the quotations he had made fully bore out his statements. —( Hear, hear.) There was one thing he was delighted to hear from the Noble Lerd, namely, that these denunciations from the altar, of which they had hoard so much, and which could not be denied, were an intolerable nuisance and ought to be put down.— ( Hear, bear.) It was well known that the soldiers were frequently prevented from attending chapel in consequence of the language used by the clergyman from the altar. The Hoe. Member for Kerry had lead a long exer net from the Quarterly Review, and among the passages the fed lowing---" How many Roman Catholic clergymen aro Re peaters ?" and had made a commentary upon the question of the editor. Why, it appeared to him, and that was alto the opinion of her Msjesty's Government, that no honest or loyal man ought to be a reptile-, or ought to belong to ,1 any society having for its object the dismemberment of the empire.—( Hear, hear.) And set, at a late meeting at the Corn Exchange in Dublin, a letter was rearLfrono Dr. Higgins, the titular Bishop of Ardagh, ieclosieg the subscriptions of himself and 74 clergymea of the diocese, to the Repeal Association. In addition to that, they had the testimony of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, that all the Catholic clergy and hierarchy be longed to tbat Association.--( Hear, hear.) He had tres passed too long upon the time of the House, but he could not sit down without observing, that nothing was more foreign to his intention, and he should be exceed ingly grieved, if he had sail anything unkind or hurtful to the feelings of any Roman Cathclic. He gave them full credit 'for sincerity, both there and elsewhere, when they disclaimed these obnoxious doctrines. But they had been found in the books which were read by the students in the College of Maynooth, and it was the duty of his Hon. Friend to bring them under the consideration of the House and the public.—( Hear.) Mr. W. BARRON said it was not surprisirg it Roman Catholics in that House were willing to stand up and deny in the most solemn manner the dee:rifles which bad been attributed to them by Hon. Gentlemen opposite. He (Mr. B.) should think that he was not fulfilling his duty either to his constituents or to his own feelings if he did not in the most solemn manner repudiate the abominable and atrocious docirinestrought forward to-night in that House, by Hon. Gentleman opposite, with regard to not placing faith in heretics—with regard to taking oaths from which they might be absolved, and by which members of other persuasions should be bound, and other doctrines of that kind, which he would not trouble the House oith detail ing. The Roman Catholics had at various times, in the most solemn manner, denied the truth of them doctrines. They had denied that thare were such doctrines believed by them. Their divines, and every person of any authority in the Roman Catholic Church who had written on the subject, had equally denied the existence of these doctrines. He was only astonished that iu the present age, and in that Legisliture, there should be found any one individual in that House, or in any community of Christians, oho would attribute such abominable doctrines to any class of their fellow-countrymen. They must have known in their hearts that what they thus attributed was false. They ought to have known it when they came forward in that House— they ought to have examined into the subject before they attributed such horrid doctrines to their Rornaa Catholic countrymen.—( Hear.) He could not restrain himself from stating in the strangest manner possible, that such doctrines were not those of his ( Mr. Barrow's) Church, and those who attributed then to that Church should make more diligent iniviry before they had the audacity to impute to their fellow-Christians,--men in as high sta tion, and of as legli feelings as themselves—such abomina ble and unfounded dextrin et. If the Hon. and Learned Member far Dublin were now in his place, he (Mr. Bain row) would be congrattiatieg Lim on the effects that would certainly be produced in favour of the Repeal ques lien by the motion of the lion. Member for Kilmarnock ( Mr. Colquhoun) That Honourable Member's motion and speech would go far to enlist the Catholic's of Ireland in the Rep7at agitation. It would show theta that there was a spirit of rancorous big . ,,try s ill in existence among a portion of the more oalightened people of this country, which had found its way into the House of Commons, and had at least given rise to the expression ef feelings which he hoped had been long laid at rest by the Bill of 1829. But with re cessed to the charges brought against what had been termed the 't denunciations from the altar," he ( Mr. Bar ron) must say that having heard the exhortations of the Catholic clergy on various occasions, for a period of twenty-five ears, he could safely say in the presence of that House, and of the country, that he never yet heard one single word on any single occasion uttered, that would not do honour to the clergy of any Church or any Christian assembly. Those exhoit diens inculcated the duties of subjects to their own country and to their se vereign, and ()helium° to the constituted authorities, and were it not for the exertions of the prie-thood of Ireland tho people of that country would on many occasions be driven to a state of desperate rebellion. He regretted exceed ingly that those religious differences should form a matter of discussion at the present day in that enlightened as sembly, because lie thought that it was a disgrace to them before the nations of Europe. They were the only Le gislature on earth in as Lich fubjccta would be heard dis cussed in such a manner. Would it be said that while the rest of the world was progressing in liberality, that Eng land alone should be retrograding ? Austria, France, Pruesie, and Holland, had adopted a line of conduct on this he ad, which should wake Enteral blush. The lion. Member here proceede I at some length to iestitute a com parison between the line of policy pursued on this subject by E: gland and the four States be had just mentioned, and contended that the peace and harmony which prevailed among the various religious sect: ie those countries re sultei from the enlightened views taken by their respec tive Governments, which, in the Protestant States, nan:e!y, Prussia and Holland, presided that the education of the Catholic subjects of these kingdoms should be as carefully ant:ceded to as that of the Protestants, to whom no pre ference regarding emolument or distinction in the uni versities was given to the exclusion of their Catholic fellow-countrymen ; and in support of those statements, the Honourable Member mentioned that the Professor rif History in the University of Bohai (Prussia) had, in reply to a question from him (Mr. Barron), as to whether the professors of that University were equally Protestant and Catholic, had told him that that was a question ' that never cute el into the ideas of any man these to ask ; the only thing inquired into, when a candi date f r a Professorship appeared, was, who was the most eligible person? In Austria and Fiance the same liberal and just policy was fsllowed. Inn Austria, an empire possessing 35 millions of inhabitant:, of all languages, he might say, and eif different religions, but possessing unity (nue millions of Protestants, the University of the ci y of Vienna was endowed with a Professorship of Di vinity of the Protestant finial. When, he would ask, would a similer enlightened policy be pursued in Oxford or Cambridde ? The University of Dublin, established for the education c.f this Protestant imiesthood of Ireland, bad a yea Iy revenue of 40,0001., and tleitt, for the clergy of only ono n illion of the inhabitants cf that country. Was it common sense —was it prudeacc—for Han. Mem bers to come down to that House to oppose the teal ry grant of 8.000/. a-letm for the cducatiGn cf the clergy of seven trillions of the inhabitants of that country ? The grant should be eight times that amount. Sure, policy— prudence would dictate a far different course from that pursued in the course cf that night's discussion by Hon. Gentlemen opposite, if they were determined to do away with the effects of the iron rule and despotic sway ef the governors of Ireland in a by-gone time. They might be assured of it until they did that—until they gave an increased grant to the College of Maynooth, they would never base a class of men completely fitted for the mission as he should wish them. At the same time, he maintained that they Were, upon the whole, a moral, reli gious, End excellent set of men ; and it was only asto nishing to him • that, with such small advantages, they had been able to do so much. The House could not forget that the pi milt discussion was looked to with great in terest in Ireland. They could not forget that discon tent in Canada had been but recently allayed, and that in many of their other colonies a large proportion of the people were Roman Catholics. Did they suppose these fee Tie would be pleased with the line taken by the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, and that their ties of friendship and good feeling towards England :would be increase! in consequence of the present discussion ?—( Hear, hear.) Hon. Gentlemen talked of their consciences ; but if they di f use that doctrine, let it be carried to its fullest ex tent. The Honourable Member for Oxford had talked of his conscience, but when he did so, surely be ought to have some little respect for the consciences of John Thorogood and those other Dissenters who refused to pay Church-rates. The lion. Member could not take the consciences of every other man into his safe keeping ; and bow could he reconcle it to his conscience to vote for the grant to the Irish Presbyterians if he believed the Church of England was the only true Church; or did his conscience extend to Presbyterianism while it refused to admit Catholicism? 'rhe:e could be but one true religion, that must be pelted; but which it was was the main point of discussior. It was a question that bad puzzled the most eminent statesmen, philosophers, and divines, and they could not suppose that their discussions and di visions in that House would set the question at rest. They never would.—( Hear, hear.) He had every respect for the consciences of other men; but he expected that they would, in return, respect his. Whatever the Hon. Mem ber's conscience was, however, he was bound to act for ti c good of the country, without reference to religious opinions or distinctions. Now, Hon. Members on the other side should not forget that their Universities were founded by Romani Catholics. They bad been unjustly and unfahly deprived of the benefit of these Universities which they had founded from their private fortunes and private resources, and it w nothing less than spoliation and roblery when it had been comn ted by the ancestors cf Hon. Members opposite. Why did he le f. r to that atcurristince ? Because they now grudged to grant the small pittance ilea was asked by the Irish people. Ile had raid that they were retie grading in this country. He was afraid that there were many people in this country who were retregrading in a proper sense of liberality. This had been increasing from the agitation of the Gen tlemen opposite for the last three or four years, who had been anxious, at the expense of their country and their good sense, to get into office; and it was in consequence of that that they had brought forward the motion of tine lion. Member for Kilmarnock. Ile holed that they should soon see this Bill in Ireland, as he could assure the lion. Member that it would prove a great acceoion of strength to the lien. Member for Dublin on the qu est i on of the repeal of the UnioD. —( Hear, hear.) Sir R. BATE SON supported the motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for Kilmarnock. Maynooth was founded to educate the Roman Catholic loutb in a liberal MORNING EDITION• spirit, bet' thou it had failed in that ol , ject. fle 4 C h l glad thatriAt- F r i o . brought forward Iv= sobi uc k l ,r e t hc- hope he Wmild it up by movies, fer the C :oittee to .to the SVrt.jll of e dnea - i!lr , l Col , ege of M. yn o o.h. Th e Note Lord the Soce,`7"; fo, Ireland Lad ti about this Icing a poo r and 0 0 '; able grant ; why did he not come forward, tberefere, au' ask for a larger one ? He objected to the grant, ter-a s i : he thought the system a d o pt e d at MaY 12 " 1 , 1 11 W his founded on bigotry and superstitions an. - wish was that his fellow-subjects of the Ronan Catholic pet suasi.,n should be educated l iberally He opposed the grant, not because it fostered the religiou s feelings of his countrymen, but because it tended to Fu: courage feelings and acts which were equally opposed w their own free sentiments and to the laws of the (Cheers.) If the people of I: eland were g." , verue d 10 firm and decided snanrer, and the laws were proper 1 put in force, the people ef Ireland would Le o f th well conducted and obedient to e laws as the p eo p le any other part of the empire. Leave was then given to b. ing in the Bill. Sergeat.t JACKSON th en move d for a copy of a leides' ter of Col , nel Carey, NI litary Secretary to the Comm of the Forces land, dated the 4th day of April 1814 ' addressed to Sir E. B. ',ALM ale., Miller S e cretary- W the Lord- Lieutenancof Ireland ; and . of the letter of Sir F. B. Littlehales, datel the sth day of May 1814, un dressed to Sir George Hewitt, Commander of the Force s in Ireland ; also, Copy of the letter of Lord Aylmer , Ad j a• tent-General is Leland, addressed to the Military Secre tary of the CoMmander of the Forces, dated the 4tb dal of March 1819 ; and of the letter of Sir E. B. B aker, addressed to Sir George Beckwith, Commander of the Forces in Ireland, dated the 16:11 day of March 1 81 % e also, Copy of the Memorial of H. B. Cler in the Adjutant-Ge:leral's office in Ireland , to th Lords Commls,ioners of the Treasury, and of th e a-.swer thento, dated the 2J day of March 1 83 Thu Hon and Lurce 1 Geratleman then moved for arcs of the quantity ef deals and planks imported into the cf Cork during the year ending the sth day of Janu s ,V. 1841 ; distinguishing the quantities cf each particular tner,sien. ,a mid The other Orders cf the Day were then disposedo'r the Howse Adjourned at Tae've o'Clock. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISfO• (1 rc. , m the Totes and Proceedings of the House of Conssisios o MONDAY, MARCH 1. SUPPLYLIn Committee. Motion made, and Question put, " That a sum, not ex_e_,, d esj. ing 161,500/. be granted t o h er M a j es ty, to defray the n e ; — d e of the Naval Exp en dit ure b e y on d t h e gran ts for the y!__ ing on the 31st day of M arc h, 180 :"--The rn Coautty` vided MAJORITY--AYES, Alaercremby, G. R Gnu!burn, Henry k'Court. Capt k., Harcourt, G. G. Adam, Sir Charles IL. , athcoat, J. krchbold, Robert ileetor, C. J. Baring, F T. Hepburn, Sir T. B. Barnard, E. G. HAI - louse, T. B. Berkeley, F. H. Hollond, Itched Bewc , , T. Horsman, Edward l'-lair, James Hoskins, K. • Bodkin, John James Howard, B. G. Brawston, T. W. Howard, P. 11. Bridgman, Hewitt James, William Briscoe, J. I. Jerniyn, Lord Brocklehurst, J. Johnstone, Hope Bra therton, J. Kemble, Henry Busfeild, William Knatchbull, Sir E. Canning, Sir S. Langdale, lion. C Chapman, A. Lennox, Lord G. Chichester, J. I'. B. Macauley, T. B. Clay, NV. MacKenzie, NV. F. Clerk, Sir George Maule, Hon. lox Cochrane, Sir T. Maunsell, T. P. Collier, John NI elgue.d, Lord rmry, Itii,lit lion. 11. Morris, David Dalrymple, Sir A. Morrison, James Eastuor, Viscount Muskett, George A Egerton, Lord F. Naglo, sir it Elliot, lion. J. E. . Nicholl, J. Ellice, A. Notrevs, Sir D. J. Ferguson, Sir Robert O'Brien, W. Smith Gordon, Robert PalinerAon, Visct. Parnell, Sir H. Pechell, Captain Pinney, W. Plum ptre. J • • . Power, Jan , " r ' Rose, Sir Georg, Russell, Lai d R ut h e rford, A. S ea le, Sir J. Sheil, R. L. ; Smith, R. ern° i'llroeichee% si . • Somers, J. P. R. C. Stanstield, Iv• Stock, pr._ lei Style, Sir co. Tufnell, 11. Turner, ag"— Verney, Sir C, Vivian, MaJ or White, A.. White. Luxe I White, samu e s i r ‘Vinningto o, Wood, C. Wood, B. TILLEINt DOa'Fimerernayll:lt•ra, • DiA, 0. Benjamin Fielden, J. Hamilton, Lord C. NORITY-NOES, 8. Johnson, General wakley, Thor) Os !larstand, H. Tia.ust a. iurner, William Hume, .1.,.. .. O ~A Sibtliorp, LA"— PARLIAMENTARY BUSINES' NOTICES GIVEN AT THE PRIVATE BILL Or. - cl "" SATURDAY. Fee. 27. Brompton an.l Earls Court Road,—Com. on Pet., Minc h 10. h Ic• Great Leinster and Munster Railway,—Com. on Pet, 14 firciS Ardrossan Harbour,—Committee on Petition, postp oned March 2 till March 5. Chelsea Pocr,—Second Reading, March 3. Bolckow's Naturalization,—Second Reading, March 3. wi l.'" Collyweston Inclosure,—Committee on Bill, March 8, it Southorpe Inclosure,—Committee on Bill, March 8, at tO]ocll South Western Railway Bill (No. I),—Committee on Bill; 6, at two. MONDAY, MARCH 1. Coundon Inclosure,—Committee on Petition, March 12:.,ar0 S. Christchurch and Lyndhurst Road,—Second Reading , i''` a ref!. Glasgow and Dundyvan J unc ti on R a il wa y , —Committee • Con, postponed from March 3 till March 5. P°6t' Shotts and Wilsontown Railway,—C o m m ittee on Pel-- I°° ' pune I from March 3 till March 8. ga r ' Stoke-upon-Trent, &c., Small Debts,—Second R e ading,_. pas Scrabs!er Ilarbour,—Committ c e on P e tition, postpon e( ' March 4 till March 8. a. we b , Wicklow Harbour,Com. on Petition, adjourned till "'"- Gourdon Harbour (No. 2),—Corn. on Pet., adjourned till Dundalk and Bainbridge Road,—C omm ittee on Petit io n' journed till March 9. Sedgley Road,—Second Reading, March 5. Thames Haven Duck and Railway,—Committee on postponed from March 3 till March 10. Nottingham Gas,—Second Reading, March 5. Harrogate Improvements,—Second Reading, March 5 . Hawkliurst Junction Road,—Second Reading, March O. yer Dian and Chapter of W es t m i ns t er ' s Estate,—Couloilitee tition, March 12. Waningore Inclosure,—Second Re a di ng, M arc h . 5. • ogi It A ILWAYS. Durham and Sunderland Railway Bill.—Read secon d ti°4 • - - - committed, and referrei to the Committee of Selection. iss olel , Petitions for a more f a i r an d equa l ra te of / put upon passengers by railway; from the Manct.tesler , Go ollg" and Bury Canal Navi ga ti on an d R a il way C ompan y ; and and Glasgow Railway Company ; to lie on the table. , r tetV Manchester and Leeds Railway.—Petition for Bill f`r -- „ Report referred to the Select Com m itt ee on St a nding Orde.-400 • so. West Durha n Railway.—P e titi on f or Bill report ed; ordered to be brought in by Mr. Harland, Mr. Bowel, '— Liddell. THANiES TUNNEL. Yesterday the annual meeting of the Prol rietort ju n — gr• undertaking was held at th e Lond o n T a vern, for !", e i 4 to pose f leceiving a report f rom th e Di re ctors, rello ir the progress of th e w or k s , an d on ot h er a ff a irs, Ai , r' jsatin Ilaeei in the chair. -- ----- te' The CHA:RMAN, in ore:ling the business of the ditY' ie o marked tht.t from the first commencement of the 11 „eal Tum.el, now fif een ye ars ago, h e h a d at:en ded the the meeting t f the Propret rs. During that Pr' °- /t ieft progress cf the work hal met with great ditlic u or but now, he hop e d, t h ey m i g h t congra tulate th e selves that tl : ei r t i i l l s were over. A t state cf their a ff, s i i a was most alarming ;Peirnildesfa'titelld;' much so, fist the Dire c t ors h a d b ecome a lmost dise t on It vra, , , therefore, with pl easure th at t h e Diiectors ' n id e Of Proprietors on the present occasion, a; they e": en teti state with czTtainty that the dangers that had P re l9 to D v the completio n o f th e wor k, were snrmoun tetlt 6-..,%neerr, the tilet.ts and extraordinary resources of the OW ,bat Mr. Brunel, in osercoining ti e many difficulties c,„. had to be encountered. The Tunnel might no of e i:an g sidercd all but comple:ed, and the period when beneficial results might be anticipated to th e prietora. h • 0 2 The stalement of accounts was read, from tvw c- a l e i )0 21 appeared that theta had been received in the Pa— - 1, from visitors to the Tunnel. _ 1 ,.. 34__,. 0 * The CHAIRMAN, in reply to questions, state d ''"; I'w litmus had visited the works in the past year. 11 1,,; i0 0 there had been 31,344 visitor?. Last year 10,000 r,,,, iti visit d the Tunnel above thine who paid for adenis 9 , l w ie bat 1837. The Directors eeraid not state particularly 1 ,1`,„ bat pet iod the Tunnel would be opened for public trtni; et) they thought it would be about Michaelmas- nex:•----A(e7e4-11/47 as pro when Report and accounts were received and o ' l ' be printed, d 0 A 1:allot then t oo k p l ace f or three Di rec tors ° II auditor. 1 bad The CHAIRMAN remarked, that since the T ut / lie d tee been in operation, the Ministers of the countrY ,",°,, l son: deiel it their ready support. The Duke of Wi L "Thrati Sir Robert Peel, and her Majesty's present advisers' shown the utmost desire to aid the undertaking- e l bso l ' Mr. BRUNEI. explained briefly the difficulties he bad to contend wit', in sinking the shaft on the Mid ow no side of the iiver, and remarked that there was ` o ld 10$ doubt of the full completion of the work, which oc ) , 100 for age?. Note ithstanding the influx of the The° l % the the works, not a fracture or the settlement i r i o sen work of a bait's breadth had taken pl ac e. Tl'e w e , ° ,,. 06' ' had had to coht.•nd with fire as we ll as w ater fie t'ythe gress of the work:', still, since the resumpli° ll ,:entil operations, only one man had lost his life. r t r „ ° ' t :eg i f the men had to ho carried out ienselese, owing,. ": il utt that was generated in the I r. g cis of the works ; bar th e diffieu:tics had been overcome, and in the present Ye Tunnel would be completed. al ogl. It vies stated during the proceedings that the tot of. lay, incl u di ng the Governuent loan, was a bout 4 chin°au The thinks of the meeting were given to the , v „, and the Court of Directors, and the assembly broito ' . _ nrriva l 0,. NEW ZEALAND.—Three days after the ai. 0 . of the Blitomart sloop of war , Commaoder Statilemi;or dß‘arnks's Peninsula, the French frigate'L'Aubo. Cl,°;enclt e Lavand, art ived, and two days later tbo `,.,,',- ott board whaler, Comte de Paris, made Ler appearance, bie;' ; ': for fifty agricultural emigrants, and' sundry sepal the c new se dement. Anton; the , ,e were Waal • - 0. , landed. in g with armor, which, upon Captain Stanley's r001° ° :,., " to cm,c e ci e t,e i n n e t c end , e r d a to c p ß ro ri c t ! i a sh im IChoemßrnieidioirhe Bag was werenot allowed ~....r was hoisted , and Mr. c il°b tb i 1:t sort was l ? ft there as a Magistrate. It is pros um- but ti° nay be c3nsidtred to he b CO I ' to have been ~ d a house for Mr. Robinson a a a o p t n r i o ' n e ede. Middlee d i E ng vc r, r l y t t s b b l o a i 11 ' a t p 'eun i c : n * ccu ucted in a most amicable manner" ...„ modore Lavand was pc ticul I h 1 ble to our c6uou.i,i to bu t `' men, lie e &red to send his carpenters on shore .v.. ardy.hospitable a 111211'S I ving on b , an insisted upon mrd his %eisel so long as she rencatoo h , Bank ' ' ' Banks 'a I eninsu!a. L'Aube is to pyus a visit, an,: r . Commodore threatens giving the la a dies of Port Ni c " P son a ball during his stay here. The Comte de parity. s will also pay us a v:ait , and wi'l offer for sela a fi tei vai,ty if French goods. LI . A ail MORE TORY FORGERY.—The .Dublin -„ f , ' says—".We have received two letters one from tbe lit . that ge n S at Mr. Rs an, and the other from John Itrinar E S q" n t . h 1; t• An a ..-e. and J. P., county of Fermanagh—both deny tog '''' signed the declaration in favour of Lord Staulo — I3 Y' EIS pciLli:hed il the Mail of Monday." a re r BRIGHTON, MARCH I.—The Earl of _er 1 1 .. an iced lalt Light at his ap , reme las in the barracks , t° sped the 11th Hussars this morning, as is his custolo the Ist of the month. V ~*: C( Vast A 1 fur r „tir mt meCT4 'of ti Ti it , riuss Ali moo, ittt e , 'Coin .(1)14 ai "P pe lae e t aI