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s 1 1 #~ ~.. I)1 PE MAL PARLIAMENT. ):OUSE OF LORD". TUESDAY, MAY 7. nyorr's DIVORCE. Witnesses were examined on Dyott's Divorce Further proceedint4s to-filorrow. The ti'airl of LAU DEAD ALE stated, that he had received w petition to. be pr..4.ented to 'their Lord xh.ps, purporting to be from Air. Dunnyof whom their Lordship's had heard something in the course of the evidence which hadjust,been given. lie did not Mean' to present thepetition, but he was in this peculiar situation that he did not , k now ‘‘.hom O return it. - It was a gross libel on Lon! Ellenhorough and another; and he'inen tioniA the matter this publicly, to lei Mr. Dunn, whose letter. was diced from Paris, know that hi: must find some other person to present his peti tion. DISTILLERIES. The E9rI,of,LINIERI:CK. presented a petition from the Irish digillerks, coniplaioing of the tresses under tehich they laboured from certain duties iinposed on 'them, and from oilier can e 3, and praying relief.--;-Laid on the table. Lard iNfEr.vll.l.l7. presented a petition to the Sam,. effvet'troui distillers in the county of Dam halloo, and another petitiOn to the same effect from distillers in another quarter of Scotland.— ',aid on the table. LIFE PRZSEILVER. Lord tiot.r,Asn preSented a petition from Mr. Ma.iliuson or Maflison, tie inventor IR a preset va tive against drowning, complaining that due at tention had not hceii paid to the subject at the Admiralty, and praying inquiry. He did . not mean to be responsible toy the statements in the . .Yetiaont bultrthought it his ditty to preseut it. • T Lord .11P.LvILLE (as we understood him) denied that the statements were correct. Lord TORRINGTON Could say nothing as to these statentents ; but as to the invention• itself, he had tried„ it at a watering-place ; and if he were to hoist his tlag, he should certainly have a number of these preserVers on board, and would not allow a boat to go out in boisterous weather. without thetn. Petition laid on the table. . ApPREss ON THE ROYAL MARRIAGE., The Earl'of Ltvetteciot; rose to move the Ad iire,ss to the - 1'1166i - Regent on the subject'of the marriage of the Princoss Charlotte of %Vales and Prince of Saxe-Coburg. On the subject of that marriage it was unnecessary for him to say any thing at that time ; and' he should not take sip their Lordships' time by any observations ex . cept this, that it was tlis, and he had no doubt all their Lordships' sincere prayer, that the 1114Iriage 'might:turn , OW most satisfactory to .his . Royal Bighnicts the Prince Regent, most happy to the parties themselves, and most benetieial to the country.' lie moved; therefore, that an Address "be presented. to . his Royal Highness the Prince Regent, to codgratulate him on the tharriage of his Danghter and Prince Leop o ld o f C o b urg ; atot an Address to that effect was agreed to neat. itiss. hits Lordship thertmoved a:sitnilarAtidress to her Majesty the Queen, which was also agreed to iv the manner. tie next moved, that a m eswge 'be l,ent from the House to Prince Leopold and• the Princess Cliarlottr. to con'gra tolate them on their marriage, which' was or tiered: IRISH . CATHOLICS., The 'Marquis of LANSDOWNB, presented a Pe tition from the Roman Catholics of Limerick, praying the removal of the degrading disabilities tinder which they laboured. Read ind laid ori .the table. , coN.soLIDATION OF THE ENGLIiki AND IRISH • FX CHEQUERS.` • Marquis of,l4ANsnowtia again -adverted' to the- circumstance of no allover having been sent to their Lordships' Message for the documents re. siiecting the subject of the consolidation of the 4 , English ,and Iri s h Exch e q u e rs , and observed, that if, ny a rigid construction of their privileges, the Commons tho , f ! ,4lit proper to refuse these coin. mrorications, it was highly necessary that their . .Lordships should take other steps to obtain that information which Was so essentially requisite be. lore 'coining to the discitsiion : of this hi g hly im ' portant measnre. theref ore, made a series of motions for the purpose of obtaining the infor mation contained in the documents Blinded to, and tiLo sortie additiotril information,which he thought of great importance.' One of the motions was for an.iicennut of the penalties levied on account,of illititdistillAtion, the, magnitude and amount of which would, he thought, astonish the flours. An other related to the state of the: Exchange between England and Ireland:, to which subject he trotted the attention of Oovertinient and Parliament would, be effectually called, in order ,that ,the evils w hi c h re sulted from' the state o f exkliange to commerce in *particular might be done away, by means 'of one uniform standard. Ile believed it would-be, found that the difference had been as muc h as ten per, cent. in the course of one year, which of CMlt'Se, mlterially affected all corninercriti An d transactions. This might of course be ob. timed, by having one uniform, Standard, there Litt; inn reason why there should he that differene t i `eichangebetween England'and Ireland, jog parta of the same United Kingdom,: thatilte tween any two counties of 4ngland. His last motion would be for an Account of Bank Notes issued by . the Bank of Ireland, which also had a material conneption with the general subject. 'hell arl orLtvenetioe had no, objection to _ the inotiona. 'With regard to the question of the rate of exchange, it had not eiteaped the .atten flop of government., and no exertions .Would be W,inting on their part to establish ft syStem equ a lly beneticiril to all parts of the United Kingdom. Earkd LIMERICK ex.presSed 'lris sxtisfac tion at tlie liberal view taken of this sithjeat both by t h e Nobl e Morquis nod the Noble Earl. , he 41.4;111 ut LAITRItpAI.Ie said, OW the, only eirectnal Way of flaying an uniform standard for Eitgland and Ireland was to pay in cash, arid then Lave an uniform standard of currency. He had met with somedifficulty in accounting for the dif ference of exchange between England and Ire land ;, but he believed it to arise from there having been no other coinage in the latter coun try dim] of copper, from whence arose the thirteen Ron6e for ft anti thus all the difference in he iitte of exchange, The motions were agreid to. MEASURES. On the Order of the Day-for the seconl rea , l 7 tifg of the Weights and Measures' Bill, Earl STAiszttorts at sonic length entered into the provisions, of the Bill, which lie considered as whoEy ineffeetrifii'Vith - r ,, 7 ,;artrto the Okieet iu view. His Lordship tet o l extracts of a letter from Dr. Hutton, condemning , the Bill as un, scientific, , and us calculated to create confusion anti excite commotion, by' changing weights and 'measures without any adequate good. being pro ilticed. Ile %vent on tti examine the different • clauses Of the Bill, for the purpose of she Wing, that they mete .not founded In, that scientific knowledge which, was essentially necessary to le g kiati6l lipou the subject', partieularly with regard to the pendulum, as to the' vibrations of which there was an entire mistake, (min not attending. to the natnreor the moving power. His Lordship also instancokeveral absurdities in theßill, particularly with regard 'to loivibg'weights of gold„ or silver wider five pounds, which „would of course 'be cont inuallyliable to be stolen, and. establishing fractional parts, where,. front the great we gilt, `such fractional pArts could not ttiro the scale.---- There was also a claim, Continuing theiinthorit y of • a public iilliceinWeStiniuster for stamping weights, although it was proved before theCoMmittee, that this office stamped weights with Ont ever weighing • them ; and yet, in another clause die - 1;i11, the very Act under which this office derived its autho rity was repealed. His Lordship, after a variety of remarks, maintaining the superior accuracy of the French standArd, and pointing . .Ontr the .absur dirt, and t.he utter want of ,science which were manifest in the present Bill, moved,. Oita the Bill be relitt a second time this 4ay six months. • •• 'Lord X 7 iseiltint , MeLvtt,Le wonld not oppose the Marion of the Millie Earl . , being of iiPitiOrr (here was not sufficient information at / present to .justify a legislative measure; but he strongly tirgA the 'necessity of resorting-, with as little delay . as. pos. sible, to some: -standard, by which that want of uniformity in Weights and Ai eit•itres that at pre. •sent pt'oiluced ineinivenienct, and so • many evils, should he . obviated. . Marquis ot LANis'oowNe .agteed in the ne cessity' diere was lor some measnre'npon thi., sub ject, founded upon correct data, amt suggested; tlot the best mode %you'd he to addless the Crown; to appoint a Commission, eonsid.ting of men, (qui -0.04 in science, who should make H report. upon the best anti most scientific means of obiriming the 061. After some explanation the motion was greetl In, .and the Bill lost.--- , Aoljoarned till to-morrow (this day.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. Several Petitions were presented. _The German Prunes Importation Bill was read a third time:— The Soap Duty Bill was read a second time : Conunittee to-tnorrow. Mr. 'W. SMITH postponed his Motion respect ing Extents of Aids to the I fit h instant. Mr. Setjeaut ONTsLow postponed his Motion re.. specting the Usury Laws to the 23.1 in3t. ' Sir L. Ilavnoes obtained leave to hritig in two Bills to amend three Acts.Ot the King , respecting Poor Lates : one of them regarded the settle ments, and the other was to prevent the removal of chargeable paupers till the final adjudication of their respective.. settlements. They were tend first time, find ordered to he read n second time on Wednesday sennight, and to be ptinted. Mr. D. GlDDY:obtaioed leave to bring in a Bill t o remove th e difficulties' in the way. of convict. tiOns fOr,stealing property from mines. lie ,also obtainer,' leave tQ bring ,in a Bill to empower Cor ! porate 13cttlici lo ' aliepitie lands, to enlarge cetnei teries and church-yards, REGENT'S STRUT. • Mr. littsittesoN move for leave to bring in a Bill to atnend the Act for the improvements. 1 Mr. Bottum; wished to know what progress hal" already been made in executing the Act ' '• • M t , flusktfacis had:no; objection to st tie Ikat steps ,had , been taken ; laß.the: report would, be primed and delivered in • a few' COnSider.i able progress had been made in purchasing lionses an d i n tcletting ground. Mr. BALUNG I bought the report had been tie , layed too lotty,. It beeliied admitted that a greitt expence would be iocuired,. and -that the, return was distant and unr,:ettain. ,As nothing had been done beyond Pieetnlilly, he thought, When' eco nomy was sodesirable, that the further progress - of the - plan mitf,lat he suspended. M r , liobiti,SsoN ob serve d, t h at b eyond flees dilly much' of the ground:belonged to the Crown. If the work did not proceed, the leases nitist be renewed or thesgrottud email! useless. Looking at.the situation, of the new park and the crown !ands, it would he very inconvenient nOw - to Ston the progress of the iinprOvetitcnt,'whieh,jrairoped they would :he able to complete in seven years,. without coining to the [louse for money. (dtA k HALI hoped the improvement-would ha; coini-hgerl, as it wror t,o forn).tire great thorough fare iron) the Park to Mary-le-hone. The groinul, itt.conantotenye . , : had , Oreatty heeome more . vtdu, Able, Leave, granted o I) f 'ring. iir the Bill. - Mr..MANNtno moved for returns of persons prO.. lecetted Jim:Mint far counterfeiti n g C o i n from January '1;512 to Jantiary.lBl.6. Ordered. • ,Intsur eLEnti.:oF THE PLEAS BILL. On the second reading, Mr. F.' Roßtivsow observed, that. be. Was per `lectly convinced the .late Lord Buckingbanisi►ire had not the , rem test . idea that his deputies re ceived any other• fees .tban strictly legal one,c. . Every bOdy uho. knew that . Noble LOrd- would he of the same opinion. He believed also, that in other Irish otiices.the 'prinCipals were-ignorant of illegal practices •by their deputios oticlerks. rect. remarked, that Mr. Ponsouby on 'a -former night stated that =the discovery car t s quite new to him, and, hi was-snre, to the Judges. . Si, J:NeWPORT was convinced Lord tiocking• hamshire did not know—the 'practice ; but served, that the salaries '.Of many of tfiti. Clerks were incompetent Without some empensation. Mr. LaSLIE (leckv,cul that Lorill3.- was not acquainted with these practices. The whole expeuee was Wfi.ool, a-year for the Clerks, and 1,1001. for compensations, out of which a charge Was made for stationery, &c. of 2,8001. Sir J. - N►EWPORT thought che.Depu,ty involved the accounts. •The Bill ~ :vas read a second time; to be com mitted to-marrow. Mr. ChLVERT remarked on the numerous petif . tioNs the licence(' , victuallers. The Act of 'trhirh - they complained was•passed in -the view of .th , ! Property fax not being renewed ; but Buof naparte returning front Elba 'occasioned its re newal after the Act bad pass•sd. The CHANCBLLOR of the. EXCHEQUEII said, that the victnaltars were now placed in the situation in which they were before the renewal of the Pro perty Tax. He: hoped to be able to present some general plan , for 'a more urinal distributiOn,, ac-' :cording to the extent of the trade carried' on. - Mr. CaLvtnar hoped that it would be done this Session. MALT BILL. Sir JonN NEWPORT St tiled, that some altera tions and oniksions had been made in this Bill Since its introduction. We tintlerstoOti him to say, that the word " affirmation" was omitted aid 011 . :4 others. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER %Vit; not ;Mari: how it email be altered, which could only happen in the Committee. The SPRAXEfIi said, the Subject deserved irntue diate intpay as to what niter:►t ions had been made in the body of a Bill hefore the llonse. commended the Ibm. atrooet,lo Wove hit' a Conn. Witter ot inquiry : but' Ile Wished to know whe ther he spoketrom his own knowlcdge, or front lirarsay Sir J. Newroar said he had seen the draught of the Bill in the office, with eert3in words erased, and he. found it in the HoilsC with those o!nissimis. t hr SPEAKEit observed, that it he understood the Hon. Aft:Mber correctly; it was only the drauol oft he 1.4111 which he sa w in the office,' - That did not belong' to the 'House, but to the indivi duals concerned in.brinwirg in , An shut Of:that: flat ore could only be an impropriety' to in' corrected in the Committee. 'This changed the character of the business, if no Fissure or can.. eellation„appearet in the body ut the 13'14 it s elf. The Bill hetore them was-the only House copy. It would be better to postpone the matter, and make foil her J. Nitnrola explained, that he 114 d thought it is his duty to Mention the circumstance. i\lr. LustitsotoN said lie sent the diatight to thv alive ; but did not know of-the erasures.- _ . The Semaroitt praised the vigiiatiCe of Sir J. Newport. ISLE OF FRANCE. BROUGH A tit Wishtll to k 110WW:whether,any report 5.10 d been received of. any extraordinary crisis of affairs in the Isle of Ftatice, i , as a person who had gi'ven hint a Petition to present had been sent from thence to this einintry, and kept a ,elose prisoaer on his vOrtge for 139 days. On his ar rival he Was informed,, that he was. at liberty to return, and 'night have a moderme.all o w ance . Lord emyri.sttaAan could not - give a specific answer, hut promised to inquir e . Mr. Buoucaiim then deterred presenting the Petition tin tn•inori ow. Mr. J. V, GRANT gave notice of a motion on the • the 29th May. tomices . The Irish ,Treasury Bill, tend the MO Trea sury. Bills Bill, Were ,read a second time. To be cum mittod to-morrow. ITBLIC . OrFICES. LOrtl ALTITORP, porsuaig- to notice,. called the attention of the House to the important subject of ,economy. He:W t oti „aware -that in. the preeent distressed state of the 'finances of the country',.-=it . waa.not-ooly-small saviogs that ought to be looked. to ; yet every , sinall saving should be at tended to, that the rople might. know that tkLere tives were doing al'bo that the it; cult of. a sti jet, ingnit y rntcl all, t.141,;()f -flees of the State, vi oald be a CMlSidernille re duction of eNi,e,toiture.. mi - ght re 7 colteo, that on.pres:nting a petition,,,so k ne time since, .h had ,nrged the , :notessity gf, in,Hring , ` of4ce4 ; lie w 4 in hopesMiohters would have nnd,eltaken which they.bad better 111Call8 than any to p4;1101 in. As theyllnid brnt.lict tne StabieetlipAelf forward, He whim! e Itlll,9lllaUl appointed to examine wino_ increase or diuninu tin ) ) had ta4;.;tiplaLe iii the windier or tbewoonot of Salaries andEinoluments in Public Offices s inc e If, in the coiir4e of their . .inquiries, the.Cowwitteetim i l t i find. any office tvhich.lltey considered iindlicient, they should immediately report it to the' House. He should altStain`;at present frnni going into the question .of Patent Places. -178 G a Parliamentary Commission `bad gone through till pithlic offices, and reported their opinion on their state. A similaringtiiry.had., taken place in 4797, and severall gross abuses had been exposed and correeted: This ought to be a • watt erOl. e.neottragement,ifor .:appointingi he Committee which he should propose. 'that mittee wonldsee dot aierdedgse of eeonfiniy given nit the opening of the Session shou:d he pri,t,erly r e d ee:l , e d. , when., the diseuSsionS o n the third 'Secretary ot- State hen' c.6itiet)o3r C the Ilonhe,l it had been ahlierted on' the ,other.sid . e. that: the basiness had grown so overwhelmin g that it was imposhible to do without such an office. Now he had thee - -evidence of .two of his friends who had been in office themselves, and, who thought, very differently; This difference of opinion on a point'of tharnature called upon the House to inquire. He 1 . could not have much eonfidthice in 'the'Coternis slim which had been lately appointed, altintitgli Lad..t.he highest respect for the person at its head, when, - .titi•looking at- the;rreasnry Minute by which it had been Appointed., he fount }t, dated t wo days after he had given notice of the , present motion.—Neither could - he plaice much confidence in .that Administration, which, in a time of gene- I distress., had increased the salaries of various offices, 'and proposed enormous ev,thlishments. 'lhe.iittle,econoniy which theY had displayed :bad Imp !) forced ttpoit them. He therefore hopetLthat the independent pint of the - Hoose would sic that I as' Ministers had not rktleeini d their .pledget .wAsjime.for'the Houselto interfer e . He con ; chided by 'moving, -that a Select Connnittee be itp. pointed to examine and consider what increase or diminution bad taken place in the number or the amount of salaries or emoluments in Public Offices since 1798, and to report from time 10 time what reductions might be made without in convenience to the public service. The CuaNcet.Loa of the EXCHEQUER agreed that an Administration who should not act tat principles of economy would not he fit to direct the affairs of the country ; and if the Noble Lord should establish such a charge against the : present Administration, it would farm a just .ground for overturning it. But the Noble Lord had made ao such charge, and was completely mistaken as to his assertions that no reduction had been made...—. The Noble Lord had tnoved for a Committee to inquire into the increase or . diminution of Salaries in Publie Offices. But regular returns of din° v.-ere made every year, and bylooking at therdall the object would be attained. He acknowledged t p i r l o at ;it i t 'i c l e ci d ui co rie n s sit i le t r i a la b t le n been occupied with a- suc c e ss i on of t h ose sa me 1784 a a d r t v w a e n t h a a g d e t T f i u le rn i tl o r i p is e e ri4 and by thus watching over public expenditure its greatincrease had been prevented. Bat the No. 'ble Lord Wished to produce an immediate ellecli and he apprehended that that purpose would be bet.. .ter answered by leaving those inquiries into the hands of those who were responsible for there,- - At this late period of the Session, the first relents of a Committee would scarcely be ready when it should be near closing. A c omm i ttee Would also release Ministers from the responsibility of the f pledge given in the Primes= Regent's 6 '1 4 ' 61 u which they had nut b e e n unm indful. Mien i,; nisters should have done their hest, then it w o o', be for Parliaixteut to &tenni ae whether wore coal" be done. The Civil Establishments of'tile e ° ": , try now 'collected and superintended a revenue 04 seventy millions, it was i m p oss ibl e , to alter all it once; theyeductions must toe gradual. Th ° ' t „ that had already tak en pl ace we r e greate r than% :the cunclitsioa of , any form: r p eace . The of sa,:artes talked of, ':was (the declared tot ,evera yeivs jits(atuf neeessary, and only suspende d C' a account of the war. All tiii.V.stahlishinciospr o• posed bid been smiler the consideration Of the Lloose. Other reductions - wer e •in progres.s, °f Which be should- now give a viai.v o 'lie posse" over the Secittary of State's 'Office,: that -ot the Cantina:oder-in-Chief, and the - Witt-Office, as the redactions in those depettmeots had already. ken siated. alteratioits %void(' •talta place in the Agent-General's . o.lfice, of - whieti part was already reduced, as well as in the Meditlot Boird of the Army.: The reductions effectedja the Paymaster-Gener'al's °dice amounted to 37,0001. per annum: ln the COHiMiSiditat 14,0601, a-year, with a prospect of still greurer.. the Navy Office upwards of 400,0001. were duced ; and in the Victualling Office 25,0001. 'lite, TrAnsport - Offiee-had 'be en ent i re l y r e d uce d, an d all the reductions ordered by . Government, tvcr e progressively taking place with all possible rapi. (lily. The object of the proposed Committee, was only to inquire into the reductions which may'be effected immediately, or hereafter ; but by leaving the matter in the hands of Government, these re ductions might be carried into greater effect i n the prbsent year, than by th e l ute! f erence o f a en°3" mittee. The !tight. ionourable G en tl em an en" *. tinned to argue at considerable length against 'th e tie utility of the Motio n , o b serv i ng t h at he m o st ful coincided .with the N o bl e L or d i n h i s gener al views of econ o my, b ut i t w a s hi s firm opinion": ati such reductions as we re a ll u d e d to, were m ore likely to be mad e by P ar li ament than b y a Corn' mittee, which would only occas i on d e l ay. O n t hen' grounds, be shbuld move the previous question, Lord Mtt.To's Oppoied the arg ument s of th e Chancellor of , theEschequer,' contending, that' if Government _were:lett to lheir,own -course, the experience that she House- had already. had Was a pr,Tf that nothing would effected. The va rious reduction., that bad takOn place, had a ll been 1 , forced upon tbe Government by 4.6,4)44 -of Far* Tiartit'ait, *and they oe,vertheless Amounted Airing worth consideration. lt wati,only thopwr clerks rind ooderlingc*tro had beetraischaiited hot he. sew 'no reductions of Salaries or abolitions .places held by the members, of .hith who had parliaineitary iwerest', or emolumeut•F ;Allnding to what he, called the wonderful speech I of Mr. Burke in. 1780,;,the - Noble Lord said his rpiarmof - 'retTenchment , ntrfortunately fell far short ef`what he had then cm%temptw te4, a nd Itt, wished I the lion.,e to refer to thiise refiptins ~•tiich he bad }hi view, anti- wiiieh4toutel only Ave-tarried into ''feet' by such a CQIIMHILVe4.i•WeI'S If the House slibuld with respect to their Constantots. The numerous petitions and papers on the.' table of the .nuilie 'formed the strongest grounds for agreeing to the motion.*-- Illiniste•is, no short, found it necessary to make a show of economy, and then they. care down 'to tell the Hotlse that they had appointed a Cotn.. If 4 it tee to inquire into the 'enuilumenti of office. He did - not think that . these Commissioners would scrutinize such - emolunfruts with a Very prying, eye, and the re fo re h e s h ou l d vote for the motion o f Nolije Friend. N NiNG opposed the motion. The re* ductions that had . beett effected by `the Committee :Of Which he wasa Member Would rspeak for them selves, and it would remain fOrt he House 'to judge whether or not they 'had been of . benefit to the pohlie 4 He was firmly of opin roil that no reform could be executed as 'welt by any .Lolllrnittee as by the Government of the' country which 1184 pledged - it s elf, in the language of the Bfieech,,.tp edect all possiblereductionsuand hail" itiready cit• ereised its iolltience by the suppression of raft .places which were imnecersary, ..11; the House were to appoint - .a Committee, .it tvould necessa rily be slow in its operations ; and it was therefore,. - fit that the G ent l emen who were in faeouro!;Pe present; motion, should wait the.reSult.ot Nos, - which were going on, before they carne r-, a def" • soohtfai t im i si t o i :s e l e:w t h .(! l : l44 o: i t t ' l e di re t4 nt t Y li j e m i t a l b o ° r o u l r i l n g o were i n ce ss a n t" in the performance of- their duty, re .joutFd.trst_itarerr:,, bang day to claav, tifh clue;:hff: their labomr• fi ante e l n e :oft:ll: l ie s ai - i t ti t iti s t t tt lt ) .l, g (:, been ;done by. t he. Corn mitre*. of WOO the Lisin• Gentleman himself was a Member, lie said they had tut ught it 1116 n natural to be , L,r. with the 00ces