The Sun. — London, England, 1841-05-25 00:00:00

EDITION t Fit FREE-TRADE CRISIS. • (From -the Edinburgh Weekly Chronicle.) The Tories, of their own accord, assumed a new name ..; after the passing of the Reform Bill, and refused to be .. called anything but Conservatives. They must now, . however, whether they will or no, receive another appel .. .lation, and be known hereafter as the Plunderers or Mo.- ' nopolists. Sir Robert Peel has committed himself and his party completely to the advocacy of sinister interests, in opposition to the interests of the public. He is the captain of a crew of pirates, who have at length, after a long chase, been compelled to hoist the black • flag of -Piracy, after trying to skulk under all kinds of false n • colours ; but we have to fight them yet, and must clear • our decks for action. It is something that we know t heir numbers and their mettle ; let us take care they do not get the weather-gage of us. It may be ques tioned if a ll the records of Parliament can furnish such an example of the hypocritical resort to false pretences, to bolster up private interests, as was exhibited in the i ne of argument adopted by the monopolists in the de bate on Lord Sa n d on ' s resolution. Lord Palmerston gave a masterly exposition of the pretended concern for dis couragement of slave labour which has been made so much of to prevent us from obtaining sugar at a natural, in stead of a monopoly price. (From the Monmouth Merlin.) We appeal to the them, farmers of Monmouthshire, them and ask made how many of possessed of long leases, have money —nay, have ever saved their original capital, after deducting the expenses of living ? Has not the Operation o f the sliding duty been to buoy them up w i th r aise hopes -of having perpetual good crops, or of having a great er average of them during the term of their lease than experience has warranted Have they not, conse quently, been induced to offer a greater rent than they could afford ? And have not their means consequently passed into the hands of their landlords ? How, then, can the Corn-laws benefit them ? The only benefit for them whath is to lower th e l an dl or d' s ren t ; an d this is precisely Government measure, of a fixed duty, is in tended to do. Come what will, the Reformers are deter- Mined to fight the battle of free trade in Monmouthshire. (From the Somerset County Gazette.) Put twenty rats into a trap, and throw amongst them cheese enough to'feed twelve of them ; see how they will aht for the morsel, and almost tear each other to pieces ' 4 the struggle. In just such a manner as this are the oyle of G reat Britain treated by the food laws. We . I .vt in an i s l an d li m i ted i n i ts s i ze, w i th a vast popula tion increasing at the rate of a thousand mouths a day, than our l eg iSl ators say, " You shall have no more food a n we, the monopolists, are able or willing to furnish You with, and you m us t t a k e it a t o ur own p r i ce s or starve." They throw down among the hungry twenty up.llions food that would not be more than enough for ull(i r e, o lg r h e t x er ten ue,,en:fed m illi ons, an d t h e resu l t i s t h e strugg l e the fierce, relentless competition for a bare m aintena nce which makes life in this country a ceaseless re of toil and care. We are unfed, or half-fed, we ma y have money or money's worth in our pockets, food is offered to us abundantly and cheaply, but we are not Solfered by this barbarous legislation to purchase a grain it ; a famine is made by law ! an artificial scarcity is created ! and it is to abolish such a hideous violation of the benevolent provisions of Providence as this, that the nation at large is entering upon a contest with monopoly. I na cause so holy, a cause which has on its side reason, religion, justice, iimanity, opposed only by a league of . selfish i nterests, the end cannot be doubtful, though it may be prot racte d. Th e system of c l ass l eg i s l at i on i s t otterin g to its base, a few determined blows, well and vigorously planted, will ensure its overthrow. • (From the Welshman.) A change in the Corn-laws is necessary as,well for the interest of the farmer and the landlord, as for the Prosperity of our commerce ; th a t c h ange i s now p ro - P os ed ;- it can be attended with no evil, and has every t rosp ec , _ o t proving the salvation of th e coun t r y. L e t very man, then, w h e th er engage d i u agr i cu l ture or com merce, exert hi mse lf f or th e success o f t h e Mi n i ster i a l "Leasure. (From the Leeds Times.) THE CORN MONOPOLY DOOSIED.—Thc tide in f a vour or free - ree trade has now set str ong ly-i n ; an d if ta k en at t he flood, it may yet "lead on to fortune." Th e wor ki ng cl asses have l ong been suffering from the oper a ti on o f Corn -laws, and the various other burdens upon their la bour and industry ; but they have hitherto complained, 144 1 petitioned, and agitated, for redress of grie- V a nces, altogether i n va i n . N o p ar t y i n t h e S tate 3 -3 deemed it of sufficient importance to take up the question of abolition of Corn-laws, on account of the suffering working classes. At length, how eee, the shoe has begun to pi nc h th e m iddl e c l asses . ayino• trade, increasing competition, and diminishing Profits, he' awakened them to the necessity of further e xtensive reforms in the laws—especially in so far as they rel a t e t o th e exc h anges o f t h e pro d ucts o f i n d ustry. They also have complained, and petitioned, and agitated, for some time without apparent effect ; but at length a Powerful party in the State has taken up their cause, and declared for an extensive alteratio n in the Corn laws and Import Duties. There is a sufficient key to all thi s in the fact—that the middle classes are in the imme diate possession of political power. (From the Bristol Mercury.) What must be the inevitable consequence of the sys tem we are pursuing of bolstering up monopoly ? Why the prolongation of slavery all over the world. A pretty example we are setting to tempt foreign nations to give up slavery ! The eyes of the world are upon us, and what do they see ? We proclaimed aloud the supe rior, cheapness of free labour and we maintain a duty, 1 1 4 : 14 'unting to absolute prohibition, to prevent free hi 'nu' corning into contact with slave labour ! " Ay," ~4 3 ? foreig n na ti ons , f 0 England paid twenty m illi ons t o n'e her slaves, and she has since had to pay over twenty _iaillions to keep them in freedom !" Is this the likely to tempt them to "go and do likewise ?" No : o ' f .73' penny we, by unjust legislation, add to the price t • 'roe-grown sugar, is an additional reason for the icon- of slavery in countries not subject to our sway premium paid to the slave-trader. (From the Kelso Chronicle.) T HE CRISIS. —" The hour," as Lord Melbourne a „, ras es it, " is come." After long years of suffering slid experience, the people would seem to have ir%used themselves from torpor and inactivity. The t r ' it grasp of hunger has done its work. The energies of dit!emhave borne her up against the most monstrous e I n c _ of monopolies which man ever devised, and the ta,_es.trects have become apparent in our crippled The Ministry have met the emergency in a u. and candid from n r :a tincr i i n a_ manlier. They have not shrunk ta x , t o il e avowal of the necessity of imposing fresh b, . o the people, or relieving trade and . commerce and water . g i a renewed stimulus to the intellectual co capabilities of the country. The idea of country new loans, and still further burdening the diseou%with an increased national debt, has been wisely ti mber " , na need addition tnolit+ll' ; and the reduction of duties on sugar, bee n pro; -- d 'e imposition of a fixed duty-on corn, have as the legitimate means of securing an th e of le notional revenue. If the people listen to tares o f so „ r u e a asoo—if they will be guided by the dic their h ap pi ne experience—of philosophy— bas is • nPutneC "- ss will b e es t a bli s h e d on an in d es t ructi bl e selves to on the other hand, should they suffer them nientalists__e, ca joled by false friends—by political send ing - ha ms °Y wolves in sheep's clothing—by the Buck t ~Winchilseas, and other Tory Peers of the day am il eY, will plunge themselves in an abyss of calamities to emerg e , from which they may never be able ge. rrm. (From the Southern Reporter.) thos e m iddle clas ses are w i th the M i n i stry, not merely Ppek"ue of their own political party, but Tories also. The et i s of no politics b u t t h ose o f self-interest ; and a ",r Y manuf acturer will not reject a just relief for • an un rt party tr i umph result . There is no calculating what may of a general election, gr oun d e d o n grea t tt•reforms. It is true, ine, that the most pro- fina nc i al t g' e t T h i t e e . newspaper i n t h e world, that unembarrassed liar, imes, is, in its number of Monday, smoothing the w a . ... 4. Tor smooth Sir Robert to adopt the very plan on whit„h lie seeks now to drive Ministers from office ; but Z i t i l i tete - - be a Principle of honour in Englishmen, they 4.; • spurn the man who recklessly sacrifices character and honour . ~ in a despicable pursuit of power. (From the Dublin Evening Post.) SI R T ? " 4 0 . RO BERT PEEL AND HIS PARTY.—NO man has . 4, , tnore scandalously maltreated by his party than Sir 44 by 44ert Peel—no man has been more villainously attacked 44, l° Organs of the faction of which he is the head and 1. " ir 'mt than the Right Honourable Gentleman. The lead .. . • 1, •• egg Mo rtification of the Tories is—they avow it—that they ''' lln t go f d without him. They hate every bone A: . f, .. ,in hi s ornar „ , • f ed to md e-; ~, ; skin, but then " the fellow, tney are orc • " t „ I l l ' is so clever, so plausible, so handy at a sophism, ,--... -- .4% away with such oiliness, and labours a topic with it., Nll eh a plenitude of diction,—that he not only cannot be done ~, wi,thout in. debate, but that a Tory Cabinet without him -B,ll.l;P"ing the .possibility of such a lusus naturx—would 13 ' ill the moment of its birth. This the reasonable eo • Ple in the coteries are ready enough to acknowledge, &•,;. , _ l t they continue to express their hatred of the Right .).... 'tut -mumble Baronet nevertheless—the Aristocrats, be ':!: ' P - 411 se lie is a' Plebeian, the mere place-hunters, the mere titled traders , such as the Emmerson Tennents, the Ned ~T 0 , 4 4. and the Parliamentary small fry, because he does a " enoose to write himself, or to speak himself, down as y l i l e _ 4 4l 3 tincipled and shameless rascal, with the sole N. ": or obtaining office that he might give them : I " ' l ces. Sir Robert is not a political•favourit e of ours, :ninetfrocfeeoiuvr in o g wn part we are delighted at the keel-hauling from his friends;, but with regard to these th© only feeling in the country is utter disgust. THE WEATHER.--Noox, MAY 24. —,,rAL GALLERY OP SCIENCE, ADELAIDE-STREET. /,4441, I , te rinoratte ß r arom 6B eter iii . ............ 2 In. 75 3 1 0. L 5 owest ' l4 ' Wind S. E.— g F e ree ' zlng — Poi n t 32 Deg. ), e i . UR EI GHTEEN ABSENT LIBERALS.--A .. Correspondent wishes us to call upon these gentlemen to ac, c ount for th e i r a b sence on the division on the Sugar • • ' 4) uties. We leave this duty to their constituents, who in ' • 4 few weeks will du it in a ivai that cannot be tnisunder , st( pd . - "•4' i " nsb,il.s L,ORN-LAwS.-THE MEETIN G OF WEDNES ,, b4V.--Our local Anti-Corn -law Association has reason to gczli. tungratulate itself on the result a its public appeal to the .citizens generally. The largest place of meeting it could corn tc!. t o e ns Was filled to overflowing, and many hundreds, who would .4 4! . - . 41 ' 13 'e gladly lift e d up their voices agai the cruel bread -tax, o,,uttk,;,ere obliged to turn away for want fro m. Throughout the ~,,„ - iarge assembly too, but one feeling prevailed—detestation of v,;"`ki all monopoly.•and an earnest desire to see our trade arid corn ..,' ,tt.- .Merce relieved from the mischievous shackles of restriction. :*. The Chartists, from whom opposition was expected, and who The made a formidable attempt to defeat one of the resolu , "ions proposed by the Association, rendered essential service to the demonstration, by declaring, in language that cannot he l'i!lisunderstood or misrepresented, that they are determined to n ave the Corn -laws abolished, and that their only reason fur because they do not ,nnt co-operating with the Repealers is, " vlie ve that the object that both parties have in view can be otherwise attained than by the general adoption of the princi • . 11.5 eoutaiued in the C harter , —Aberdeen Herald. 3N ,AND. • s Al l —ll3 tenr.ntS, irning seine drove proceeding. noto.lol fired, an r a had ;o ne, le seen, PO hit w 'as 0° i o n oceurre' s tol, and the le—perhaps to hair were • under the ON, so t li° di lod g ed i? ied thro4" rovsterioas mica t° west n polities, 3 volent an its daties . w hich t hat eman).e ll ' h iv e d is acre t" • , 3overnow,: i e oUe the inn DS ulers of IP. w M a "lace caller arro ll by CaP` the ;racket), shot , t i° e ln „bai t : .ht into te a '1(1 collec of eVi dell e Ce r ninu. re. others. ,_A C°i"Ci of t be „ ,ody h id; ear, ' , t fired fr° k n osc7 n un e says if ) It w on- cef Ls ev itiefl io n3d th"; 1, tile Sr tO t o o , he dee •i rut, and ni .e 101 'VOO 'the - Ife o f the firlll 10E• o( its scan the toOi or s od that, er ,{ a suflic l t he put up is me at A "o,e boon to by , variable 7eVioll3 e' t o irgh I ° , 0 1 ge 0 111 tile rice t ° oel to ij a s 4 he ( i cell" o e Lo l ' Noble ,ss iragr",, to lock " {Di )nlinett e , oo j -ceole l" ,ie Bel`g,a oa to t' ne• s rane e Tf ic ee w hoinv t, tting o 0 .0 illy, p h, price' ' 311 ~lt~uken _take ° ken tip' lo danv-- THE ST. LOUIS TRAGEDY The St. Louis Republican of the 19th. inst. brings us the following particulars of the late dreadful affair in that city : MURDER, BURGLARY, AN]) ARSON.—We have never before had occasion to record such a complication of crimes in a single transaction as was presented to our appalled citizens on the night of Saturday last. About one o'clock the alarm of fire was given by the flames bursting out of the windows and various parts of the large stone store on the corner of Pine and Water streets ; the front of 'Water-street occupied by Messrs. Shnonds and Morrison, and the rear by Mr. Pettus, as a banking-house, formerly Collier and Pettus. At the time of the discovery it was evident that the building had been fired in several parts, and the flames had made such progress, that it was impossible to save either the house or any of its contents. That it the work of an incendiary was soon appa rent. Several gentlemen who arrived early, after some difficulty, forced open the door of the banking-house, and through the smoke discovered a body lying on the floor, near the stove. The body was taken out before the flames had reached it and found to be that of Mr. Jacob Weaver, a clerk in the store of Messrs Von Phul and M'Gill, who usually slept in the room immediately in the rear of Mr: Pettus's banking-room, with Mr. Jesse Baker, the clerk of Messrs. Simonds and Morrison. Mr. Weaver was found in the dress he had worn during the day, but his head dreadfully mangled. He had been shot through the head, the ball entering above the left eye, and so near had the weapon been to him that his face and left hand were blackened with the powder, and the little finger nearly cut off apparently by the ball. His head was also cut open in several places, the wounds appearing to have been made with a bowie-knife or hatchet. Near to him, in the same room, was found the hat and handkerchief of Mr. Baker, but no traces of his body could be discovered. It is conjectured that he had been killed either in the bed-room or some other part of the store, and that his body lies buried in the ruins. In the banking-house there was a large fire-proof vault, in which there is at all times a large sum of money, and it is supposed that the murder was com mitted with a view of entering the vault. Of the manner, however, there is nothing but conjecture. Mr. Baker left his boarding-house about nine for the store, and has not been seen since. Mr. Weaver was in company with a number of young gentlemen at a ten-pin alley, until about 11 o'clock, when he went to the store, and about the time he arrived the report of two pistols or guns were heard in that direction by the people in the vici nity, but from the reprehensible frequency of such re ports, excited no attention. Some supposed the mur derers had concealed themselves in the store, and had previously despatched Baker, and killed Weaver when he entered. Our own belief, from all the circumstances, is that they entered with Weaver, and that the struggle and death of both followed immediately. After the murder they doubtless fired the house in several places with the hopes of consuming the bodies, and in the ex pectation that their crime would not be discovered. So far as there has been any means of judging, it is believed that the murderers failed in their principal pur pose; that of entering the vault. Owing to the heat, up to a late hour, yesterday, the door could not be ap proached, but when it was, it was found to be locked and could not be unlocked. The safe of Messrs. Simonds and Morrison, in which there was some money, was un disturbed, and it was, therefore, probable that but little booty was obtained. The loss by the fire has been very great. Mr. Pettus lost all his books and the books of Collier and Pettus. He, however, after three attempts, at great personal risk, succeeded in getting out a drawer under the counter, in which were all his bills receivable, amounting to near 200,000 dollars, the papers being very little injured. Most of the books and papers of the late firm of Hemp stead and Beebe were destroyed, and Mr. Hempstead's desk. Messrs. Simonds and Morrison lost their journal and ledger, but saved several other books. Their safe was dragged out and the papers in it preserved with little damage. Their entire stock of goods, however, was con sinned. Their loss, including their own stock and the goods on storage and commission, is estimated at about 30,000 dollars, which is probably below the amount. They were covered by insurance to the extent of their own stock. The whole loss, including the goods and the building, may be set down at from 40,000 dollars to 50,000 dollars. From the house of Simonds and Morrison the fire ex tended south to the adjoining building, occupied by Messrs. Kennett, White, and Co., the roof of which was partially consumed, and for a long time we thought it impossible to save the building or the row ; but the firemen of St. Louis are indomitable; and by exertion, demanding of all the highest praise, the house of Messrs. Kennett, "White, and Co. was saved, with the loss of the roof only. The goods in the store, however, were greatly damaged by the water, and the stock was very large. The amount of damage is - variously estimated at from 10,000 to 15,000 dollars, fully covered by insurance. The wind setting in a south -west direction, carried the embers in great quantities over the buildings south of the fire; and nothing but the saturated condition of the roofs by the previous rains, and the exertions of the fire men, saved the row. The store of Mr. Bernard Pratte, on the opposite side of Pine-street, was several times on fire, and some of the window frames were considerably burned, but by the exertions of those from within, and the aid of the engines, no injury was done the building, although Mr. Pratte's goods suffered considerable injury from the water. We would rejoice to pause here in this sad recital, but there is yet a tale of woe to be told. About the break of day, the interior of the first building having all fallen in, Mr. Ansel S. Kimball, first engineer of the Union Fire Company, was standing on the side walk in Pine street playing on the fire through a window, when the wall suddenly gave way and fell outwards into the street. A gentleman with him made his escape, but Kimball was caught and crushed beneath the falling mass. His remains in a few minutes were disinterred from the ruins, but the vital spark bad fled. Mr. Kimball was one of our enterprising citizens, a carpenter by profession, and was one of the contractors in the erection of the Second Presbyterian church. He was of irreproachable character. He was born in Concord, N. H., and came to this city from Boston in the fall of 1836, and has carried on his trade under the firm of Kimball and Webster. His circumstances were mode rate ; in fact, embarrassed in the general embarrassment of the times. He has left a young and amiable wife and children to mourn his loss—a loss to her which no sym pathy can repair, ,but for whose future comfort it is now the duty of our community to make a liberal provision. He, upon whom she leaned for support and protection, has been cut down without a moment's warning, and when labouring for the preservation of his neighbour's goods. Mr. Weaver was a young man, about 22 years of age, of excellent character, and had the entire confidence of his employers and the esteem of all his acquaintance. His parents reside in the city, his father carries on the business of house-painting, and is one of our most res pectable and worthy citizens ; he removed to this city about three years ago from Washington city, and doubt less prided himself on the promise of usefulness which his son gave, but the icy hand of death has destroyed the flower and crushed the parent's fond hopes. Mr. Baker was a young gentleman of about 22 years of age, the son of a respectable family, residing in IVor cester county, Mass., and a nephew of Mr. Jesse Lindell of this city. For steadiness and propriety of conduct, he was a pattern, and it is nothing more than justice to say that there was not a worthier young man in our community. He has lived here a number of years, and from all with whom he became acquainted won the ap plause due to rectitude and worth. It would be impossible to describe the intense feeling which pervaded the community during the night and un suing morning, and, in fact, the whole day. Every one was shocked at the enormity and boldness of the deed, and felt, that whilst such crimes could be committed in our midst, and the guilty escape detection, there was no security to any one. At an early hour of the morning, without any pre vious call, a large number of the citizens assembled at the Old Market House, when the Mayor, John D. Dag gett, was called to the chair, and George K. Budd, Esq. appointed Secretary, when the following proceedings were had : "Whereas a foul and inhuman murder, together with arson, was perpetrated in our city last evening, by some person or persons unknown ; and whereas the perpetration of this horrible outrage calls for the most prompt and efficient measures on the part of the citi zens. Therefore, "Resolved—That the Mayor be, and he is hereby authorised and requested, without delay, to offer a re ward of five thousand dollars for the detection and con viction of the perpetrators of the crime aforesaid. "Resolved—That a Committee of twelve from each ward be appointed by the chair, to immediately take such measures as to them shall be deemed expedient to ferret out the murderer br murderers. " Resolved—That the Corporation of the city of St. Louis be and is kereby requested to appropriate the amount aforeshid reward of 5,000 dols. to be paid on the arrest and conviction of the perpetrator or perpetrators of this horrible outrage and murder." After the adjournment of the Meeting, the Mayor of fered a reward of 5,000 dols. for the detection of the per petrators, and the St. Louis Fire ComPany offered a fur ther reward of 300 dols. The city and country was paroled during yesterday and last night, and the citizens generally are using all the means in their power to detect the guilty. The key of Mr. Pettus's room was found yesterday in the alley running up through the square above, by a little negro. Several persons were taken up yesterday and examined, without leading to any developments. The whole police and many of the citizens were on the alert, however, and we trust that some light will yet be thrown on the dark transactions of Saturday night. THE MINISTRY. FROM A CORRESPONDENT.) The North Devon Reformers are quite easy as to the Toole coming in for some time, even should the present Ministry be beaten in the new rarliament, on Corn-laws and on commer cial policy generally; it is considered almost certain that before the reins of Government will be placed in Tory hands, and on the retirement of Lord Melbourne as Premier, that " her Ma jesty will command the Lord Ebrington to form an Adminis tration." ANTI-CORN-LAW MOVEMENT IN NORTH WALlis.—Petitions against the existing Corn-laws have been got up, and numerously signed, at Machynileth, Rhosllanerchrugog, Aberdovey, Towyn, Llanegryn, Talyllyn, Abercorris, Maesypandy, Ebenezer, Dinorwic, Bethesda, Holyhead, Llanerchymedd, Amlwch, Peny sarn' Brynbo, Rhosymedre, Acerfair, Fli n t, M o ld, Den bigh, Mostyn. Public meetings were held in Bangor and Carnarvon, on Friday last, which were numerously attended, when petitions against the bread-tax were una nimously adopted. Ti.j N, RUN,: LONDON. TUESDAY, MAY 23. 1441. POLITICAL PARSONS. I HOU s t A o t F , I L ) Their Lordships met at - Fire ()VW:. • The Duke of WELLINGTON p resen t e d several peti A OR R A I , A 11f 31 0 E 247 flops from pine in Kent against alteration of the c;orn laws. The Guardian has attacked Dr. Joynes, the rector of Gravesend, for attending a corn-law lecture, and inter a/ia giving the sanction of his countenance to a political manmuvre. Before we dispose of this attack in the man ner it merits, we must congratulate our contemporary on his new born zeal against political clergymen ; like other sudden and modern conversions, it is worthy of particular remark. " The Duke" and Sir Robert were suddenly con verted . tothe necessity of _Catholic Emancipation, and opened - the doors of Parliament to. statesmen of that per suasion ; our beloved brother of the Guardian is as suddenly shocked at the clergy interfering with po litical . matters. Does he also desire to open the doors of Parliament :and request the bishops to walk out ? Perhaps he is not prepared to stretch his principles quite to this extent. Well, we will not be too hard upon him ; let him just whisper into the ears of half his readers—rather more, we fancy—who belong to the cloth, that it is highly unseemly for clergymen to mix with party politics, and that if any of the many in this clerically-blessed county interfere at the next gene ral .election, he will incontinently gibbet them in his columns, and hold them up to the contempt and execra tion of the " many thousands " who weekly listen to his patriotic denunciations. _ _ messengers from the Commons brought up the South Western Railway Bill, the Clent Vicarage Bill, the Shotts and Wilson Railway Bill, and several other pri vate bills, which were severa ll y rea d a fi r st time. Earl FITZ WILLIAM presented petitions for repeal of the Corn laws from the Ward of' Farringdon, in the City of London ; from Bridgewater ;'from Lothian, and several other places in Scotland ; from Griridleton, in Yorkshire ; and from a great number of places in va rious parts of England. Lord WILLOUGHBY D'ERESBY presented a num ber of petitions from Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Huntingdonshire, and parts of Yorkshire, against any alteration of the Corn-laws ; the Noble Lord Made-some .observations which were not heard in the gallery. Earl FITZWILLIAM rose amidst some laughter and cries 'of " Oh, oh." My Lords I undoubtedly told my Noble Friend that I would not raise' a discussion upon the presentation of petitiOns.(Hear, and a laugh.) But as my Noble Friend has presented petitions from parts of the country with which he and I are equally connect ed, I think I could find no opportunity more convenient than the present , for calling your Lordship's attention to • some facts connected with the question.—(Oh, oh.) Yoiir Lordships,. I have no doubt, have seen the recent publication of a letter addressed by the Noble Lord to the Chairman of a Meeting in the County of Lineoln, in which an apprehension is expressed, that the measure proposed by her Majesty's Government will be detri mental to the country.—(Cries of hear, hear, and a laugh.) But, in my opinion, the fear of my Noble Friend and of those who agree with him, have prostrated their under- i standings.(Laughter.) My Noble Friend states in the letter that a duty of Bs. upon corn would have the effect of sweeping away one-third of the rent of the country. — (Cheers.) I believe, my Lords, it will have no such ef ect.(oh, oh.) If you think, my Lords, it will have any such effect, what becomes of the charge which your Lordships so often make against me, in speech and ges-', ture, that I falsely accuse a part of the Legislature with' acting upon selfish motives in maintaining the present laws ?—(Hear.) For if the ground of your Lordships' apprehension be, that the proposed alteration would sweep away a third of the rent, then it follows that you wish to maintain the law to prevent a reduction of your rents. (Cries of " No.") What then, my Lords, is your object ? The Earl of WINCHILSEA—To give employment to the labourer ? • Earl FITZWILLIAM—What labourers ? The Earl of WINCHILSEA—To the labourers who are now employed upon those lands, which would be thrown out of cultivation.—(Cheers.) Earl FITZWILLIAAI—I wish to be told in what part of the country those lands are that would be thrown out of cultivation ?—(Cries of " Oh," and " Question.") The Earl of WINCHILSEA—Why in Lincolnshire itself, as the Noble Earl must know very well.—(Hear.) Earl FITZWILLIAM.—I defy any one to find out the place in Lincolnshire in which one-third of the rent would be swept away. Is it in the fens ? Is it in the rich lands of the north ? Is it on the heath ?—(Hear, hear, from Lord Winchilsea.) I am glad to hear that cheer. I am owner, and I have been a cultivatora great part of my life of lands upon the heath, and I am bound to say that the effect would be to lower the rent to some extent, though not to throw any portion of that land out. of cul tivation.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) My Lords, lam right glad to find that their Lordships admit that this is a landlord's question. You admit that the reduction of the price to the farmer would be met by a reduction of rent.—(Cheers.) My Lords, I wanted no more to justify me in saying that this is a landlord's question, and not a tenant's.—(Cheers, and cries of " Oh !) But my Noble Friend says that the value of agricultu ral capital would be swept away.—(Hear, hear.). My Noble Friend says one-third.—(Hear.) Now what the meaning of this? Is it meant that the farmer will lose every third waggon, plough, and harrow ? Or is it meant that' these would be reduced one-third in cost? If so, I think it would be a great advan tage to the country that one-third less capital would be equally efficient in cultivating the land. .The Noble E_.rl proceeded to say that the value of labour did not keep pace with the price of provisions. That was the opinion of Mr. Burke, who said that the squires of Norfolk, when they expressed a contrary belief, " must have dined." A temporary rise in prices was, in fact, more prejudicial than otherwise to the labourer, inasmuch as it necessarily left him more competition to contend with, without any compensating demand, During the late high prices he had received a statement from a Poor-law Commissioner to the effect that wages had in no instance with which he was acquainted, been raised more than 2s. ; in other cases they had been raised Is. ; and in other cases there had been no rise whatever. The greatest delusion had been attempted to be practised as to the price at which foreign corn could be sold in this country. A gentleman, formerly a Member of Parlia ment, had stated in a pamphlet, that corn could be shipped from the warehouses on the Continent for 265. a quarter. There could be no greater delusion' than was attempted to be practised upon the people of Lincolnshire on the present occasion. It was in that way that appre hensions were attempted to be excited, and for which there was not the slightest foundation. That the pro posed alteration would have the effect of lowering prices touch below the average of the last eighteen years, was a proposition he did not think any man would be able ,to make out.—(Hear, hear.) He was aware of the great authority attached to every thing emanating from a p:!rson in his Noble Friend's station ; and, therefore, he could not suffer these statements to be made, which were founded on misrepresentation and misconception, without offering a few obserVations to their Lordships. • Lord WILLOUGHBY D'ERESBY, who was very indistinctly' heard in the gallery, said he regretted the_ Noble Earl had not waited the arrival and presentation of the petition to which he had alluded. Although the Noble Earl might despise that letter—[Earl Fitzwilliam—" No, indeed, I do not"]—he was gra tified to say thßt he had consulted the labourers as to the amount of Wages that would satisfy them—he em ployed 180 of themllimself, and might be supposed to know something of their edition.—(Hear.) The letter had been written by him as ansapology for not being able to attend the meeting. He certainly never expected that it would have been brought undr their Lordships' con sideration. But while we perfectly agree with the principle of our contemporary's remarks, we are afraid that he has not such a good case to illustrate them as we could wish. We much regret the same truths did not strike him a short time ago, when a reverend gentleman—we beg pardon clergyman, for clergymen are not always gentlemen—denounced the Queen, the head of his Church, as a "Jezebel," and her Ministers as something worse; or when another rev, clergyman took occasion, at Ash ton, to attack the Government as " democrats, infidels, and atheists," and called upon his hearers to oppose them to the last extremity. These would have been capital cases in point, but, unfortunately, our contemporary was not then converted to his present opinions. A lecture on the repeal of the Corn-laws is not a party matter ; at least our contemporary's friends say not. They claim, as the great leader of the free trade move ment, the late Mr. Huskisson ; nay, the present Lord Ashburton, one of their chief speakers, has done more to advocate it than any other man ; and their especial " Thunderer," of Printing-house Yard, has over and over again enforced its necessity, policy, and expediency. But though a lecture on the - evil effects of the Corn laws may not be a matter of party politics, and though Dr. Joynes and the lecturer may have held and uttered the same opinions long before Government adopted them, still we think there are several matters in which the Rev. Doctor lays himself open to the lash of our contem porary. He is in truth a very strange man, and in most of his actions and opinions seems to do things differently from his brethren. During the good old times when the pulpit was perseveringly and most profitably used as a tool of the Government, Dr. Joynes refused to do any thing of the sort, and was for many years professing principles which shut him out from all profit and all ad vancement. Conduct like this was a censure by implica tion upon his reverend brethren, for which the Guardian should severely trounce him. _ _ Moreover, when it was the fashion, as it is the fashion, to support the Church by "forced contribu tions," warrants for Church-rates, &c., Dr. Joynes positively declared that he did not approve of such pro ceedings, and wished the Church to be supported by pillars of faith and hive, piety and charity, rather than by, pillars of gold and the strong arm of the law. This was extremely heterodox, but as it was so very unusual in a clergyman, and Dr. Joynes could not do much mis chief by himself, it was passed over by his ecclesiastical Diocesan ; no. reason, however, that it should be passed over by the Guardian. Again, the conduct of Dr. Joynes and his family may be greatly complained of by the other clergy. What a depraved taste, what a shocking example, it must be to see a Rector of a great parish, and his female relatives, instead of paying court to hierarchs, noblemen, Mem bers of Parliament, or even the gentlefolks of the county, going day by day into poor and miserable cottages, inhabited by low-bred people, who may happen to be dying, and without medicine, or famish ing, and without food. Really such perverted habits and extraordinary conduct should draw down the ful minations of our contemporary, as being at total vari ance with the common practice; though they may pos sibly have led to the Dochir's opposition to prohibitory laws. As we wish to " help a lame dog over a stile," we throw out these few hints, which we think contain suffi cient matter to enable our contemporary to give the hete rodox Doctor a thrust under the left ribs, which, should he succeed in doing, and G ravese nd b e deprived of her present pastor (our contemporary not choosing to take the office himself), we could recommend as his successor the present Dean of York, or, should he not be procura ble, the Rev. Dr. 3.lolesworth, either of whom will be more to our contemporary's mind, and much less deviate from established practices and principles than Dr. Joynes. —Kentish Mercury. THE THREE PARTIES. "GLORIOUS CONSTITUTION!" In the course of Mr. Villiers' admirable speech in the House of Commons, on. Tuesday evening, he observed that " there were now three parties in the State—one of which thought that no justice should be done to the people ; another which admitted that justice was not done to . them, but that it ought to be done, and that it could be done under the present Constitution ; the third party consisted of those who were hourly increasing in numbers and strength, and who thought that justice was not done and would not be done without a change in the Constitution." The three parties alluded to, we need scarcely add, are the Tories, Whigs, and Radicals. There never was a definition which fitted the case so well as this of Mr. Villiers; nor does he exaggerate when he says, that the third, or ladical ,party, are " hourly in creasing in numbers and strength." We believe that the great proportion of the thinking people of this country are rapidly losing faith in what is called " our glorious Constitution in Church and State." That glorious Constitution is neither more nor less than a huge and overgrown lie :; and, as Carlyle says, " no lie can live." What is the Constitution to those who have not bread to eat ? What signifies to a bankrupt and impoverished people, that they have a glorious Con stitution, if under that very Constitution they have been reduced to want and beggary ? Of what consolation is the " Church and State " to starving hand-loom weavers, to half-fed agricultural labourers, to ruined merchants, to decaying tradesmen, to whole towns and cities of paupers ? Is not the Constitution which produces such results, rather a public nuisance and imposture than a thing which should be praised and honoured of mankind? "It works well !" says some one. Yes ! For bread taxers, for established clergy, for sinecurists, and for all the hungry hangers-on of the monied and landed aristo cracy. But does it work well for the people ? A system of imposture ; an organized scheme of depredation, cor rupti,n, and oppression of the industrious classes ; a col lectiu:i of the pretences under which the aristocracy have been in the habit of carrying on an incessant war for the sacriiice.of the universal to their own particular interest. The people want a real Constitution, not a sham : they will recognize a true Government, but they refuse any longer to bow down before an established lie. It is to obtain a genuine Constitution which is the object of the " third party " of which Mr. Villiers speaks—the Radi cal Reformers .of the United Kingdom.—Leeds Times. SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. (LLOYD'S_ ) .. _ .. LONDON, MAr 24.--:Wind this day at noon, N.E., fresh, fine, clear weather. DEAL, MA Y 23.—Wind E.S.E.—Arrived from the River and sailed, the Surprise, for the South Seas; Euphrates, Mau ritius ; Hercules, St. John's. HASTINGS, MAY 23.—Arrived off, the Albers, Ester, from New Orleans, for Bremen. DARTMOUTH, MAY 21.—Arrived off, the John Pirie, from Antigua; Burney, Hopkins, New York. Sailed, the Sophia, Joup, for Teneriffe ; Nisith, Labrador. _ _ _ _ PLYMOUTH, MAY 23.—Wind E.S.E.—Sailed the China, for Sydney, New South Wales, FALMOUTH, MAY 21.—Wind E., fresh gales and fq nally. 22, Wind E.—Arrived the Tagus steamer, from Gibraltar, left 13th, Cadiz 14th, L'sbon 17th, Oporto 18th, Vigo 19th. Sailed the Crane packet, for the West Indies ; Mentor, Con stantinople; Two Sisters, Montreal. LIVERPOOL, MAY 22.—Wind E. moderate. 23, slight.— Arrived the Montague, Crane, from Buenos Ayres; Mary, Hawkins, Demerara, sailed 13th ult ; Enchantress, Bassett, Nassau; Fenella, Smardon, Malaga; Mary, Wheelwright, St. Domingo; Octorara, Smith, New Orleans; Catharine, Ma son, Mobile • European, M'Clellan, ; Christiania, Simpson, Charleston. Sailed the Majestic and Madonna for Bombay ; Lord Althorp, Valparaiso; Lady Flora Hastings, Bahia ; Eliza Johnstone, Pernambuco ; Lancaster, Berbice ; Fleurs, St. John's, New Brunswick ; Otter, Constantinople ; Isabel, Leghorn; Peruvian, Baltimore; Thomas Sparks, Canton; Columbia, Jamaica; Lynx; Tampico; Horatio, Honduras; Palestine, Boston; Albina, Quebec; Lotus, Quebec ; Winscalas, Montreal; Cloughtane, Naples ; Prince Albert, St. John's, New Brunswick; Hortensia, St. Do mingo. Arrived off, the Arethusa, Card, from Cuba. PETERHEAD, MAY 20.—The Ida, from Stettin to Liver pool, is stranded on Ratray Brigs, and it is expected will be come a wreck—crew saved. SHIELDS, MAY 21.—Arrived the Weldon, Williamson, from Valparaiso. RAMSGATE, MAY 23.—Arrived the Lady Jane, Stewart, from Charleston. Arrived off the Wight, 23d, the Juno, Gibbs, from Brazils ; Julia, Danneman, from Rio Janeiro. GXUNSTADT, MAY 7.—The Hilda, from Gottenburg to Algiers, put in here on the Ist with rudder pintles broken, but has been repaired, and will proceed. VESSELS . SPOKEN Wm-J.—The United Kingdom, London to Quebec, 4th inst., lat. 44, lon. 50; Sovereign, lat. 45, lon. 47 ; Charlotte, 9th, lat. 45, lon. 46, and Rainbow, same day, by the Josepha, arrived at Liverpool. William Walker, Scar borough to Quebec, 2d, lat. 46, lon. 54; Lord Wenlock, Hull to Miramicki, sth, lat. 40, lon. 49, by the Arethusa, arrived at Cork; Grace, Mauritius to Southampton, Ist inst., lat. 30, lon. 41, by the Julia, arrived off the Wight. MIRACULOUS ESCAPE.--As three men, who were employed in removing some stones which pro jected out rather more than wished, in the Gotyrcoed tunnel, Taff Vale Railway, were standing on a platform at work, a large rock, weighing ab ou t 2 tons, gave way and broke the scaffolding in pieces. The effect was such as to render the men quite senseless, but when they re covered they found one of their companions, a most in dustrious man, named Lewis Abraham, lying down with the whole of the weight on his hand 3 they lost no time in getting him up, and then carried him home, when Mr. Strange, surgeon, was sent for, and upon exa mination found his collar bone fractured, and that he had received severe bodily contusions. He is now doing very well.—Cambrian. ITALY.—Letters from Rome of the Bth inst. announce that Viscount Carreira, the-new Envoy of. Portugal, would be admitted to present his credentials to the Pope on the Corp lthe 10th. The Russian Ambassador, M. de Pot e mki n , was to be . emoved to Naples, and replaced is Rom e b y M. d e Boutenieff. Corn laws The was D signede rby i n five by repeal6?s ma of les, Which is upwards of 2,000 more than signed the petition to the same effect last year.—Derby Reporter. would say to us, in times of scarity, " You have thrown your own lands .out of cultivation, you have a starving population, clamorous for food, and we know that, whatever duties we choose to impose you must pay, for you can not do without our corn."—(Hear, hear.) If the state - -(mired additional burdens to be laid on the people, the agricultural interest would cheerfully bear their share )t sueii burdens.—(Hear, hear.) He would say to the Government lay them on, but do not pursue the fatal course of raising this cry of cheap bread throughout the %;otmtry.— , (Hear, hear.) Did the Noble WO wish to see the price of wheat down to 355. a quartet, as it had been in 1832, when the labouring classes had no employ ment ?-- . --(Hear, hear,) Of what use would cheap bread be to them if they had no employment ?—(Hear, hear.) The manufacturers, he was convinced, were as much in terested in the maintenance of the Corn-laws as the agriculturists, and he coincided in the opinion which had been attributed to Mr. Chaplin.—(Hear, hear.) Earl FrrzWILLIAM cared little about the accusation brought against him by the'Noble Earl of having misre presented Mr. Chaplin, but the fact was he had not done so. He had said Mr. Chaplin was labouring under a misapprehension, and the Noble Earl seemed to labour :uider a similar one, that the present price of corn in fo reign markets was •to be taken as a criterion of what it would be under an altered state of things,. forgetting that the first consequence of a demand for corn from the Eng lish market must be to raise the price abroad.—(Hear.) Lord REDEpALE characterised any alteration of the Corn-laws as the spoliation of the largest interest in the kingdom.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Earl said that if a man could stock a farm under the proposed system for 1,000/., whereas it would now cost 1,500/. to do the same thing, he saw no great harm in it. That was the same as saying there would be no great harm if a manu facturer should be able to purchase for 100,0001. a gentle man's estate which was now worth 150,0001.—(Hear.) He believed that was what the manufacturers wished to do—(Hear, hear)—that the object was, by these mea sures, wherever they had a mortgage, to obtain posses sion of the - estate.—(Hear, hear.) All the great landed interests, the landlords, the farmers, and the labourers nust all go together, for he was convinced that the - "arrners and the labourers were equally interested with the landlords in upholding the present Corn-laws. Earl FITZ WILLIAM should be very sorry to have uttered such a speech as the Noble Baron had Just made. —(Hear, hear.) He denied that such were the motives ofthe manufacturers in seeking a repeal of the Corn-laws. The Earl of HARDWICKE said it was too much to say that the object of their Lordships was only to keep up rents. Their Lordships were not, the sole proprietors of land, but they were anxious to protect the rights of chose who possessed a few acres only, upon which their whole subsistence depended. The Noble Lord talked of rent as if it was something that affected the Members ( f that House alone—as if it were not the staple of the country.—(Cheers.) In time-of war and financial dis-' tress, where did you turn but to the land, which bore every burden ?—(Cheers.) Tax us (said the Noble Lord), but do not destroy us.—(Cheers.) The Noble Earl (Fitzwilliam) spoke not to their Lordships, but to the reporters of the press and to the people out of doors. —(Cheers, and a laugh.) Why did not the Noble Lord fix a day for the discussion of the whole question ? (Hear, hear.) He did indeed give notice once, but (said the Noble Earl, repeatedly clapping his hands) he flinched—he was choked off.—(Great laughter.) He (Lord Hardwicke) deprecated the ,practice of making in cidental speeches of an inflammatory tendency upon this subject night after night, and imputing sordid motives to the Members of that House.—(Hear, hear.) The Earl of RADNOR supposed that the reproof of the Noble Lord was inteuded to apply to him as well as to his Noble Friend (Earl Fitzwilham), but he denied that either of them intended to excite the people. He still contended that the whole object of the Corn-laws was to uphold rent. It was said that the object was to employ labour in the cultivation of the land. Now, if that were the case, why was the produce of grass land protected ?—(Hear, hear.) There Was a tax upon the importation of horses, also upon the importation of asses. —(Laughter.) Horned cattle were prohibited, so were sheep and swine. —(Hear, hear.) Turkeys, fowls, cheese, milk, and eggs were taxed.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) There was not an article of food of any descrip tion which was not taxed. What could. be the object of that but to put money into the pockets of the landlords? —(Hear, hear.) Not only the produce of the land, but that of the seas was taxed.—(Hear, hear.) Now, this was said to be done for the sake of protecting the fisheries, and of encouraging a race of seamen. How was the fact ? What fish was the most highly taxed ? Why, salmon the fisheries of which had nothing to do with educating seamen. Se veral Noble Lords by means of this tax derived as • much as 4,0001. and 5,0001. a year from their salmon fisheries. But what fish did their Lordships think was exempt from taxation ? They would suppose it was some ignoble fish ; but it was no such thing. It was a fish that never was seen on the table of a poor man. It was turbot.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) Yes, there was another fish not taxed. Was that a poor man's fish ? No, indeed ;it was lobster—that their Lordships might have sauce for their turbot.—(Laughter.) This was not a matter for their Lordships to laugh at. Hundreds of thousands of their countrymen were starv ing around them ; whilst every animal upon the earth, every fish in the sea, and every bird of the air, was taxed to prevent its coming to those famished people.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Earl then went through a series of returns from 1802 to 1839, to show that the rate of wages did not depend upon the price of food, but, like all other prices, on the demand and the supply. In the course of the years to which these returns referred wages were at the highest when food was at the lowest, and on the other hand when food was dearest wages were lowest. It was also pretended that the effect of the Corn-laws was to render this country independent of foreign coun tries for the supply of corn. Nothing could be more contrary to the fact. In the years 1838, 1839, and 1840, 6,235,000 quarters of wheat were imported ; and since the establishment of these pernicious and disastrous laws, one-sixth of the corn consumed in this country was de rived from abroad. He believed the laws to be most mis chievous, and he would do all in his power to procure their repeal. LordASHBURTON hoped that the temper in which the subject was discussed in that House and throughout the country, would be a warning to the Noble Viscount at the head of her Majesty's Government, that he should not, without the most urgent necessity, agitate questions which had the effect of setting every interest in the coun try in hostile array against every other.—(Cheers.) It was a maxim with a statesman, to whom history has done tardy justice (Sir R. Walpole), quiets non movere.— (Cheers.) But the Noble Viscount acted upon the very reverse of that maxim. —(Loud cheers.) But he would not accuse the Noble Lord of throwing the country into agitation, for tte sake of covering his weakness in both Houses of Parliament.—(Cheers.) As the Noble Lords opposite contended that the wages of labour did not depend upon the price of food ; he would beg to refer to the practice of the manufacturers, when the price of food was low. They collected labourers from all parts of the country to compete with those already in employment. — (Hear.) In their petitions upon the very question of the Corn-laws, they made it a subject of complaint, that the high price of food compelled them to pay high wages, and prevented them from competing with those countries in which food was cheaper.—(Hear.) He read an ex tract from a pamphlet of Lord John Russell, in which the Noble Lord pronounced political philosophy to be an awful thing—(a laugh)—upon the most important points on which no two writers were agreed—this question of the relation of wages to the price of food being the most dif ficult and the most disputed.—(Cheers.) In the same pamphlet the Noble Lord (J. Russell) deprecated any interference with the Corn-laws.—(Hear and a laugh.) He (Lord Ashburton) was of opinion that, if the people of this country would have food at the same price as other countries, they must be content to live as the • people of other countries ; and it was to be remembered that Mr. Jacob, in his report to the Government stated that the people in the east of Europe all, lived upon black bread, and that he never saw white bread on the East side of the Rhine.—(Hear.) The Noble Lord then went into a comparison of the quantities and kinds of food consumed by the mass of the people in this country, in France, and Germany, to show that the condition of the people of England was, In respect to food and comfort, vastly superior to that of the people on the Continent. He contended, therefore, that the system had conduced to the good and happiness of the nation at large r and ought not rashly to be ilpset topsy.tniwy,—(Cheers.) The Earls of KADIN OR and FIT/IWILLIAM ex plained. Lord PORTMAN brought up the Report of the Com mittee.on the Brighton and Shoreham Railway, which was ordered to be re-committed 'to-morrow, Earl FITZWILLIAM believed the consideration of the farmers, and the good nature of individuals had in many instances met the necessity of the case, but that was not the rule which should govern the rate of wages. Lord W. D'ERESBY said the wages which he had stated were not those paid in his immediate neighbour hood, but throughout the whole country. • The Earl of WINCHILSEA thought it was exceed ingly inconvenient to bring in discussions on so impor tant a subject, affecting not merely the agricultural inter rest, but every interest connected therewith, on the presen-. tation of petitions. He had on former occasions refrained from offering any observations on the presentation of petitions, but he begged leave to say a few words on the present occasion. The Noble Earl could not be unacquainted with the character -of that respectable country gentleman, Mr. Chaplin, who represented the county of Lincoln on a former occasion; there was no man who lived more among his te nantry, or was more anxious to promote their in terests.—(Hear, hear.) He had never attended a pub lic meeting at which so much devoted attachment was displayed towards any individual, and he had no hesitation in saying that the charge to which the Noble Earl had alluded was false.—(Earl Fitzwilliam—" I did not make any charge against him.") He would go with Mr. Chaplin, in saying that corn could be brought in at 26s.,which, with the Bs. duty, would be 345. per quarter. —(Hear.) It appeared to him that the present syStem was the best that ever had been devised—(Hear, hear)—on an average of years it had worked well, and he was convinced that under it all labouring classes had received a better price than they could hope for under any other system. He was surprised to hear the Noble Earl contend that the price •of wages did not de pend upon the price of corn. He thought the average of many years past must have convinced him of the fal lacy of that assertion. He was his own steward on all his properties ; he let his own lands, he drew up his own agreements with his tenants, he directed the method . of cultivation that was to be pfirsued, and lie was as prac tically acquainted with the agricultural interest as any land agent in the Kingdom. In K4int, in Lincolnshire, in Northamptonshire—in all the counties with which he was connected, wages had been invariably. affected, arid the price of corn in Kent, where, when the price of corn was low, in 1835, the wages had • been 9s. a week, they were now from 13s. to 15s. In Lincolnshire when, 12 s,—(Heffr, hear.) t el Fbe a delesion.- 7 (ltear, hear.) in 183 N they had been 10s. they were now 13s. 66. .. 11 7 9 ' . h w ere, in 1835 they hi and .ed b eb i nlieeelneNd9oasr. fit li x a te m hde p d) t ru o t n yv, sh n e o nt p l r r o • The efig h r i it h ulturist s on ly w i s h e d f or . When the price of corn wa s low i no t w o ou o l v d pr b n e m o t e l lcd tvieonnt venture e all,to collect and whenit. it a fair protection, and the great body of them shared the advantages and the burdens equally. with-the .labourers, and if the manufacturers had done the same ho did not believe that the present distress would have existed.—; (Hear, heitr.) no factory system had caused all the existing evils.—(Hear, hear.) Men, when they at- HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 24. tamed the age of twenty-five, were thrown out of em- The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four ployment, because it was chea p er to em pl o y women . and o'Cloek , children, and those men, thus thro wn out o f em - M r. R awson, f rom th e Poor-law Commissioners, ployment, were so crippled and demoralized by brought up papers. their previous labours in the factories that they were Mr, BERNAL brought up the Reports of the Com unfit for aniciiitural employment, and were driven to mittees on the Leeds and Selby Road Bill, the Gourdon work at hand-loonue et which it was impossible they , Harbour Bill, - the Olveston Inclosure, and the Great could earn more than 6s, Bd, a-week. He hoped the a t Leinster and Munster Railway Bill. tention of the Legislature would, en long, he drawn to Mr. GREEN brough t u p the Re p orts o f the Cm; the growing evils of the factory , system.--(I a t ., )tgo„,) mittees on the Totnes and St, Helen's Snail PAt§! Till. The effect of any alte ration in the Corn-laws would be to. On the motion of Sir lie officnEwrat, the Baru,: throw the laud out of cultivation. In Lincolnshire staple and Braunton Roads Bill was read a third time anti there were lave tracts of land which were not worth 'passed. more than 'ls. 6d. an Ere, . and which were On the motion of Mr. BLAKE the South 'Western only kept in . cultivation in on artificial man- Railway Bill, was read a third time and passed. nee.--(Hear, hear, from Earl FitzwiWam.). Now,' Sir D. NORREYS brought up the Report of the Corn if the price of pm were such that the farmer mittpe on the Ipswich Docks Bills, could not afford to Menthe . these lands, they must be i3la the mottoh of Mr: TIOCKUART, th e sh ot , an d thrown out of cultivation, fe Kmit there was land which Welsontown Railway TM was Mild a third time, and had formerly been offereq to the faring!? cola i free if he passed, would cultivate it, an d it had been refused o f i th ose mr. GILLON presented petitions from Kilmarn ock terms. That land was now manured and cultivated.— Pl 4 li"CreW in favour of the propositions of the Govern , ("Hear, hear," from Earl Fitxwilliao,) , The proposed Mellt ; and from Gfeel l o4 3 Wing , any alteration in the measure would entail rain on all proprietors of land so. p res ent system Of haldiing in Scotland, situated. Let their Lordships recollect, that, Vehether Mr , T-/BADK presented a, petition agreed to at a cultivated or not, land had to support the burden of the' public meeting of the inhabitants of Westminster. The Poor-rate and the Highway-rate $ and . , while all , other petitioners complained of the laws which enhanced the interests were protected, the agrictatimfits worp els° en- price o f provisions, which appeared t o t h em a v i olation of titled to protection .—(He a x, hear ; )• They world . no, ti olo oj ot i ee —that the Corn-laws we re m w tt smiwe allow them toe have cheap shoes; Pr'eheAp ttgs, or cheap high pftoo t i gip iimllpos mid tf, ~,ippie t__, tfa4e silks—why, then, shon.44 they 07 o!tt for cheap corn?— enramerce , P. manufactures r b of 14 country-,tbut leg..i§! (Hear, hear.) If the. e4!•inifFY„- w°re • ever dependent 1400 IcT clgss interests as they regarded the laws Mating upon foreigners for a suPPY. corn, anti if h • • t corn timber, awl sogar wo ~ wea it O,• t • • • ! ili. Ilil longer be endured and they • came in, it were made a source of revenue, was it itii to- by the people, an prayed t e immediate repeal of be supposed that other countries would make it a source all taxes affecting the necessaries of life. The Hon. of revenue as it , Yrott out ?--(Hear, hear ? hear.) ,Theiy, , M e mber also rresented petitions t o t h e same effect from ~ 0 4,-,..-iL.,. : - .,, , . :-:, i,:,•:,i... , , . . Lord YARBOROUGH presented a number of peti tions from Wigan, and other places, against the repeal of the Corn-laws. The Marquis of WESTMINSTER presented petition,: froni•Vnisle, ttucl other phteeo, fiwoor of five 'trade. Lord ME.I 4 BOURNE presented a great number of pe titions from Dundee, and other places, for a moderate duty upon imported corn. Lord MODEN presented petitions from Hereford and Essex, against Altgrgion of the Camdems. Lord SONDES presented similar petitions from Kent. Their Lordships then Adjourned. Bridgewater, West Hackney, Clerkenwell, Cannon -street, St. George's, Cheltenham-place, Westminster-road, .Wap ping, London-road, and several other places. Mr. WILBRAHAM presented a petition from a con gregation of Protestant Dissenters of Soho, prayinf , for the abolition of Church -rates; also a petition in favour of a repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. EWART presented a petition from Warrington and other places in Lancashire, in favour of the mea sures introduced by Goverfunnt for the alteration of the duties on corn,_ timber, and sugar 4 also a peti tion to the same effect from an individual named John M'Taggart, of Liverpool, and another petition to the same effect from a place in Surrey ; also a petition praying for the remission of punishment on all political offenders at present imprisoned. Mr. THORNELY presented a petition from a Bap tist congregation in Staffordshire, praying for the aboli tion of Church -rates, and the liberation of Mr. Baines. Mr. GREG presented a petition from the inhabitants of Cowes, praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition to the same effect from Salford. • Mr. IVRIGHTSON presented a petition from 13romp ton, in the North Riding of Yorkshire, in favour of the Government measures for the alteration of the duties on timber, sugar, and corn. _ Mr. ELI,IOT presented several petitions from the borough of Southwark, and other places, in favour of the repeal of the duties on timber, sugar, and corn. Also a petition from Gallashicls, praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws, and another from the same place in favour of the commercial measure of the Government. Mr. WARBURTON presented a petition from Brid port, in favour of the Corn-laws. Also six petitions to the same effect from the inhabitants of the metropolis. Also fifteen petitions to the same effect from the calico printers of Manchester, and five petitions also to the same effect from different operatives employed in the manufactories of the same place. The Hon. Mem ber also presented a petition praying for the abolition of the Corn-laws, from a place the name of which we could not catch; the petitioners stated that thq would have recourse to physical force.to obtain the object of their petition, if they could not accomplish it by other means. Mr. EASTHOPE presented several petitions from places in Leicestershire praying for a repeal of the Corn laws, and a revision of our commercial system. Lord WORSLEY presented several petitions from places in Lincolnshire against any alteration in the Corn laws.--(Hear, hear, on the Opposition benches.) Sir G. STRICKLAND presented six petitions from places in Yorkshire, in favour of the commercial mea sures of the Government. Lord HENNIKER presented a petition from the pa lish of Woodbridge in favour of the present Corn-laws. Mr. YOUNG presented a petition from a place in Cavan to the same effect. Mr. EDWARD FELLOWES (as Ire understood) presented six petitions from Huntingdon against any al teration of the Corn-laws. The petitions were signed by the inhabitants of 107 parishes, which comprised all but five of the entire county., The Hon. Member also pre sented a petition from Huntingdonshire, praying for Church Extension. Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from Birmingham, in favour of a duty of Bs. on foreign corn; also a peti tion from Cheltenham, signed by 1,536 working men, praying for Universal Suffrage, and an Address to her Majesty for the release of political offenders; and a peti tion from John Joseph Stockdale, praying for a reduc tion in the sugar duties. Colonel WOOD presented several petitions from Brecon in favour of Church Extension. Mr. HUTT presented a petition from the Corporation of Hull, deprecating the high rate of duties on sugar, and praying the House to adopt the measures of her Ma jesty's Government with reference to those duties. _ Air. B. WILBRAHAM presented a petition from Manchester, complaining that a petition in favour of her Majesty's Government from that town, presented a few evenings ago, did not fairly represent the feelings of the inhabitants ; that at the meeting from which it emanated no one was admitted without a ticket, and that the room was filled before the time of meeting by the partisans of her Majesty's Government.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. BROTHERTON had no hesitation in saying that the statement of the petition was contrary to the fact — (Cries of " Order, order")—amidst which the Hon. Member sat down. On the motion of Sir 11. HARDINGE, the Launces ton Small Debts Bill was read a second time, and or dered to be committed. WANT OF CONFIDENCE IN MINISTERS. The SPEAKER having called on the Notices of Motions, Sir R. PEEL rose, amid the most profound silence in a very crowded House, and said—l rise, Sir, to give notice, that I shall, on Thursday next, move a resolution to the following effect :—" That her Majesty's Ministers do not sufficiently possess the confidence of the House of Commons to enable them to carry through the House measures which they deem of essential im portance to the public welfare, and that their continuance in office, under such circumstances, is at variance with the spirit of the Constitution."—(This announcement was received with tremendous cheering, which lasted for some • minutes.) BUENOS AYRES. Lord SAND ON said the House was aware of the incon venience to which British trade was subjected in conse quence of the blockade of Rio Plata. That arose in con sequence of the differences subsisting between the repub lics of Buenos Ayres and Monte Video. Ile wished to know whether there was any truth in the report which had appeared in the public papers that the difference be tween the eastern republics was about to be settled by the amicable interference of France and England. Lord PALMERSTON said the report to which the Noble Lord alluded was not correct, as regarded the steps taken by the French and English Governments, on the subject of the difference between these t wo R e p u bli cs . Some time ago, about three months since, the British Government had received a communication from the Go vernment of Monte Video requesting the good offices of England in order to bring about a reconciliation between that country and Buenos Ayres. To that ap plication an answer was immediately returned, stating that it would be exceedingly agreeable to her Majesty's Government if they could be able to reconcile the differ ences existing between these two countries ; and instm% tions were sent to the British Minister at Buenos Awes to offer the good offices of England to that Republic ; and, if they would accept it, he was to take measures for endeavouring to bring about an amicable arrangement. He hoped that that confidence which the Government of Buenos Ayres had shown by accepting the good offices of England for reconciling the differences that had broken out between it and France would influence it on the present occasion, and that the Government of Buenos Ayres would accept the media tion of Great Britain in putting an end to the contest at present going on between that republic and Monte Video. RELATIONS WITH PERSIA. In answer to some questions from Mr. M`LEAN, that were quite inaudible, Lord PALMERSTON said that the state of our relations with Persia had been pretty nearly ex plained by the papers that he had laid before Parliament some time ago. But since then a dif ference had arisen between the two Governments, in con, sequence of Persia not evacuating the fortress of Gourian, according to the arrangement with the British Go vernment. The British mission was still at Erze oum, and re, gentleman had been sent to Teheran for the purpose of going to Gourian, and reporting to the Embassy the actual state of the matter. Mme hesi tation had taken place in the Persian Guvernment with respect to the evacuation of the fortress, founded on an opi tion that the British Cioverament were no longer anxious for its evacuation, on account of some difference betwoen the official residents. But instructious,had been sent out to our Charge-d'-Affaires, tQ inform the Govern ment that no change whatever had taken place in ow policy, and that the British Government expected the arrangement would have been carried into effect, With respect .to the other point s he did not believe that any intelligeng had been received of a difference between our resident at Teheran and the Government of rOlviitt, and he had no reason to stuwse that anything of the kind had taken placc., What we demanded of the Persian Gevernmevit was a complete apology; that apology we had received, it had been laid before the House, and Aw ought to be satisfied with but the priAt§u mission would not return to :Mentz lAtitil the fortress was evacuated. POOR-LAIN& • i t umiou of Lord J o h n Rus sell,Capt. POLIILIL asked IA which was soppniod to be when he intended to pro ceed with the Poor-law Amendment Bill, lAirel JOHN RUSSELL'S reply Ding inaudibl e th e question was repe a t e d b y Mr, AN ALTER, upon w hi e l t Lord J. lIIISS4I4i is ottd he 'would take th a t oppor tunity of comoing an answer that he had given to the Right lion. Gen tleman opposit e w i t h to the case_ of. Mr. M`Leod, Re . had told .the Right Hon. Gentleman that tiw trial would take place in the Federal Co;9rtF but he had since received information. that it had been removed into the Supreme CCRUIS by habeas corpus, and would be heard on the 34 of May. With respect to the Poor Law Amendment Bill, it was. not his intention to proceed with it during the present sessi on of Parliament,. --~ ( Loud cheers and counter-cheers.) Mr. 130131aSON wished to know when the Noble Lord 111014 t to go on with the Right of Voting Bill. Sir ROBERT PEEL wished to kuow if the Noble Lord meant to go on with the Bribery Bill. Lord J. RUSSELL a4id that it was his intention to proceed with that 13ill, and he hoped that ho w ou ld h ave the suppert a the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir Robert Feel) when proceeding with that measure. Sir 13, 1:14114 was understood to say that he would support the Bill. SUGAR DUTIES, On the motion of the CHANCULLOR of the EX CHEQUER, the House then went into Committee a!' Ways and Means, to consider the Annual Sugar Duties Bill, WI , R. PEEL, who was very indistinctly heard in the gallery, was understood to say that the Bill now pro posed was in perfect conformity with the resolution lately carried in the House,_nainely, " That that House was not prepared, especially in the present prospect of ti, supply of sugar from the British possessions, to adopt the measure of her Majesty's Government for the reduction of the duty on foreign sugar," and he (Sir R. Peel) could have no objection to support the Bill now proposed. He had not an doil'e to obstruct the pub lic service or 0170 W 4PY cl.i:l4.lat.Y. in the way of a Bill Af Ns, lii d, eyep if it 'were net in conformity with his Awil PFlliOns and the opinions a deer majority of the hat . any Wilie . of cointoons,—(Oppesltion s.) M r , WAR said that the Right Hon. Gentleman (s. It Peel) had read part of the , resolution of the 1 , 4 141 1 .- .. . i. 0 Joni opposite (Lord Sandon), that he was waNN : Z iug i al teration should take place in t 1,4 4„ laws regulating the importation of. solar. In k'Mr. -flume) , .. 1 hoped that cu L uitti? TAW& otan that the n tfr ee t of the that resolu- MORN ING DITION. tion, which the Right Hon. Gentleman so paraded, was to make every man in the country pay threepence - in the pound for sugar more than he ought to do. The Noble Lord, the Member for North Lancashire, might, if he pleased, publish to the country that the ef fect of alteration of the sugar duties NN oald not be the centessimal part of it farthing benefit to the pur chaser ; but the effect of the continuance of the present law during the last year had bee,' to make every man pay threepence more for sugar than he ought to - do. The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to think there would be a supply of sugar which would keep down the price, he (Mr. Hume) differed from him. Prom every account he had seen, he thought there would not be that extra supply, and that, conse quently, the public would continue to be taxed, not for • the sake of the revenue, but for the support of the mciP nopoly. The people might see from this, what benefits they were likely to derive from the measures of the Right Honourable Baronet.—(Hear, hear.) There was not a man who consumed sucrar, but would be t, in fluenced by the course pursued. He was surprised that the Right Hon. Baronet should haverrided himself upon that victory which he had obtained, because it was a victory obtained not so much against the 'Ministry as against the public.—(Hear, hear.) It was a victory against the people of En g l an d. le Honourable Gen tlemen opposite desired the people to be comfortable and happy they had, at any rate, chosen an extraordi nary course for producing that result, when they deter mined to maintain the high price of sugar.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Hume) hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would recommend all his friends to read the paragraph which he had read to the House, at theopproaclung ejection, that the country might know that he was determined to keep up the monopoly. He could not but express his surprise that the Right Honourable Baronet could have read' with such humour that resolution which he had carried in spite of all the Ministerial forces that could be mustered.—(Hear, hear.) He said •so undoubtedly, but it was nothing to the credit of those who carried it. If he Were to judge by their measures, he should say that they were likely to be against the consumers and the country. Ile hoped, when the day - came that they could do so, lion., Members would explain why they compelled the `per to pay a high price for so essential a necessary of life as sugar.—(Hear, hear, hear.) On. Thursday next they should have an opportunity of discussing the question, and he hoped from that dis cussion the country would be made fully aware of the whole question,—(dieers.) Sir R. PEEL said that this was what he got by sup. porting her Majesty's Government.—(Great laughter.) With respect to the statement of the Honourable Member for. Kilkenny, that .it would be desirt able that the resolution of the Noble Lord, the Meinber for Liverpool, should be read on every hustings, all he had to say was, that he should cer tainly when on the hustings read the speech of the Hon. Member himself, which was delivered on the Bth July,lB4o; it was to the following effect :—" Sugar Duties,"(Laugh ter.) Mr. Hume—l wish to know whether the Right lion. Gentleman, the President of the Board of Trade, is aware whether it is correct as reported that a quantity of Sugar the produce of slave-laboUr has been imported into this country paying an enormous differential duty ?—(Cheers.) If this practice is to be allowed, the attempt of the House to put a stop to the importation of slave-groan sugar would .be rendered abortive." And then iu an other part the Hon. Member said, that he had no objec tion to the importation of sugar, but he thought, if they wanted a stock for home consumption they ought to take that in preference which was the produce of free labour.".(Great cheering.) It appeared to him, there fore, thatahe opinion of the Hon. Member was clearly in favour of the sugar duties at they at present existed. Mr. HUME said that the Bight Hon. Baronet should bear in mind that a motion was made to admit foreign sugar; The House rejected that motion, but he (Mr. • Hume) was against the opinion entertained by the House, and he told it plainly that such would be • the ease,- -and that the result would be that they would admit any kind of sugar.--(Hear; hear.) The.ltigbt Hon. Baronet thought he had obtained it triumph over him, but lie. was quite mistaken; he had merely expressed and argued upon the opinions come to by the House, not upon his own. He had joined with the Hon. Member fur AN' igan in the attempt to obtLin the ad mission of free labour foreign sugar, merely Izecause be had before failed to obtain more, and he wq.ad tell the House had that question of his been attend e d t o , the taxation of the people of England wonid tot have been -so much as it had been by the stureor four millions. General EVANS understood the resolution.. tuored by the Right honourable Baronet to be one for the con tinue:zee of monopoly, and the Right Hon. Baronet was entitled to the thanks cif that House for his candour, t e d on to ly t t e h l e l ) . i s i e s ce c n o d n e 's y ti h tt e i f e e n re ts o nh n d ti l l i e e h% .3.s sti e n e g r s tai t n h l it al he so w e a n s t n it o l the Chair, but that he ought to-have been its proposer.— (Immenshise Tory cheerinz) lie had an un d ou b ted right to tell constituen te and the people of England that he, :tit at the head of his body of supporters—the confederated monopolists opposite----(Loud chests and laughter) —that he and they had determizlm that the monopoly on sugar should continue, • Lord J, 11L'SgELL sai N d . .thlt at th w e rlevshoileuhtiotlre h i - ,al ou b s y e the Right: /len. Baronet way i haircometo, only endralV leaving out o.(at part of it -relackrig : cheers.) The Ri g ht Honourable Baronet now admitted that all that part, of it was a mere. pretext -.. (Loud cheers) —intended to catch votes, and he had succeeded in catching' his Right lion. Friend the 'Member for the Tower Hamlets. By leaving out all that part of the 'no tion which was now shown to have been intended to catch tho &clings of the human; and although he had succeeded in catching his Right lion. Friend, he would tell .him that he hail tutally tailed throughout the coun try.—(ltemense cheers.) However, the -Right lion. Baronet, with less than his usual judgment and tam had eint.4an to throw aside the humanity part of the resolution as a warm garment ; 'and the House must see that the proposition before, the House was in fact one of the prohibition of foreign sugar. While.upon that sub ject he could nut but advert to a complete misrepresenta tion of A.Yhai tell from him which had gone abroad. It had Leen stated that his argument was, that Brazil sugar could not be brought into this country to be sold. under 615., and that at thaertite the West India interest would be no sufferers. But he went further ; he went on to argue that if the prohibition were continued, and that if the Inclines failed in raising the quantity calculated upon, if they should fail in their promises, then the people would be previously taxed without any hope of remedy. whereas the propositions of the Government would have afforded that remedy without any great detriment to the West alias. Those who had quoted his speech had taken the whole of the former and omitted the whole of the latter part of his argument.-(Cheers.) What he stated was, that if their calculations should turn out to be erroneooa, then there might be a taxation of a penny, tw0.1)000, or , threepence per, pound on sugar. Now, to Ids opinion, the people of England ought not to be sub. jetted to those monopoly prices, The proposition of the other side is, that let what will happen, if there was a good .supply; then the people will gain the advantage, but if not, that. the West India interest , still maintain their prides and their profits. Their motto appeared, to be, "Let monopoly- theirish, if the people perish."---(Loud cheers, and Cries of " Oh, oh.") Lord - STANLEY was exceedingly astoni'led that during the eight nights' debate on that question, the Noble Lord had not thought it necessary to enter into that explanation before.—(Loud cheers.) It was to be reuiembered that the statements of . the Noble Lord were made - before the debate began--while the Noble Lord opening the plan of the Government, and not in answer, to any arguments or statements made on that side of the House. Lord JOHN RUSSELL--The Noble Lord knew full well that if he (Lord John Russell) . had again at tempted to speak in that debate—. • Lord STANLEY—You did. Lord, JOHN RUSSELL—Certainly, to address the iinuse upon the amendment. And he had considered that the misrepresentations of the Noble Lord had been fully answered his Right Hon. Friend, the President of the Board of Trade, and'others. At the time lie was preeeediag upon statements in a memorial presented to the 'House by the Noble Member for Liverpool, upon which the House was called upon to legislate. .Mr.• WAKLEY—The Right Hon. Baronet ,(Sir R. Peel) had aga i n ta k en credit to himself for. s upporting her 'Majesty's Government., and he appeared to think that he was not well treated bet use he did not receive a share of gratitude from that side of the house upen n a great variety of occasions ; the Right Hon. Bart.. ha d li d s ? Una some thing, ' and that made him (Mr. 1 t .": 1, , k v ce .1 ) . ;) u5e k , .... very plain and Simple question, which 1 , 4-s o of the the 'country it would be were the reso lutio!i i s iex f t _l l t f igp e t Honourable Baronet carried on Thursd ay l.c r us the Mini S-. were prepared to pursue the same po part, its g ood• of what tors, with - the single exception of possible use would it be fur ü ß s a e r i o es n s e_t were was l ec o b i‘lc:ecaesarrauss)pe.iT l l) . party should sit on their seriously out of the House? That question would be askedver sensible sort of doors, for after all John Bull wa s . a lee Ministerial) country th that s e ( and a country. . e consideredthat dei l ni f e th al e , t u l l i t e a i s di u n into . a most serious conflict in most prejudicial to the to fellow. 1) they were 'now r this country. , Ir e e ttp i lie g ved there feverish—there n'as naetli.emreuw.ahs anre s ge of vi t o h t e lid ß h ig e h ,v t .h lt o o n n y . eq greater appreh ensio ns apprehensions as to the result t p i u n b ie lic: rh o e pi no n hhb i aj o eeer z aci t iad were only • had not g iv e n satisfaction, but the of their measurl.. than at this moment. T h e present eGhyaio.tasvmeers.7.nasueasvi,xingehedentyl,onaylmr:tahuhncteiyys e l e 'o c r o. 'm 'c e so unpopular , and until the last two or three '• cu. unpopularity • n the party 'soliciting office had dretidi taken a. onnno . fulso,,,p, one which they would deeply r u e_ within very short space of time. He hoped aria - he be lieved i t; that was his prediction, and ( ' a very d 1( y da s. th s h ort , time would prove its • correctness. He seuro oy knew whether there was or was not a Radical, .party in that House.—(Laughter.) -''`But it there was, and that they had a recognized leaddr, they Would prove of essential service to her Majesty 'in her present Strait.--(Loud laughter.) He should hope that the leader of that small but intelligent party would be sent for. However, as things stood, there would only be an exchang e between the leading faction of Whig and Tory; but he In - Aped that the good sense oldie people of England would come tOthe mew). He had been told that the late vote was one of confidence or no confidence. in Ministry. He, for one, could not view it in that ligh it was not fair to put in that light. He supporte 4 t h e propositions because they were for a reductien s D f the burthenn Of the people—because he believed 'co°, would confer on the C01111:1 an immense ame; ont of. public. , good —not beca; d so he had any confider:,:e in the4irovern "'lent. It, ' n a i l been said, vote agains:. the propositi ons i n t'r:ter to 'turn out the present I `4litilsters; but for what purpoSe- should they do so if he policy of those who were to follow was to be the samelt It was said, vote against them in order to turn out the Poor-law Ministry; but where were they to get another, who would be Anti- Poor-law ale had been delighted to hear the s tatemeat made by the Noble Lord that he did :en taken