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HOUSE OF COMMONS, JAN. 26. The SPFAKER took the Chair as usual, at four o'clock, after which - about twenty Alentbers took the Several Reports respecting Roads, and other private busi ness, were brought np, and leave given to bring in Bills for the purpose of the Reports. LIVERPOOL. SMALL DEBTS, General GASCOYNE brought in the Report of the Com mittee respecting the Courts for Trial of Simi!) Debts in Li verpool, which is-as ordered to he recommitted. SMYTH WAR K IMPROVEMENTS. Mr. CALVERT brought irl a Bill for the Paving and . ether Improvement cf Southwark, and other contiguous psi is of the County of Surrey. GOLDSMITWS"FRADE. Mr. FINLAY presented a Petition from the Goldsmiths of Glasgow, complaining of the injuries arising to their trade, from the want of an assay, and praying relief. WINDSOR ESTABLISHMENT. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, that in the ahsence of the Noble Secretary for the Home Depart ment, whom indispositi o n prevented front attending, he h a d to inform th e H ouse , that he would postpone his motion re specting the reduction of the Establislnoent at Windsor un til Thursday sennight, and also that the motion respecting the Finance Committee would be postponed to Friday se'n night. Mr. TIERNEY wished to obviate any difficulties which might arise from the Right Hou. Gentleman's having pro posed to move an amendment to the motion of which fie,bad given notice to the House. He was desirous of knowing whe. ther it was the intention of the Right Hon. Gentleman to persist in his amendment? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, not having formed any determination on the subject, could not say what course he should adopt. Mr. TIERNEY said, that the Right Hon. Gentleman would certainly act with due deliberation. He would, how ever, persist in his motion, and to prevent any mistake aris ing from a misconception, he would take the liberty of read itnpthe motion be intended to make, which was, that a Com mittee be appointed to inquire into the Bank Restriction, and its effects on the exchange and currency of the country; and also to inquire the reasons why recourse had not been hither tv had to cash payments. BANK OF ENGLAND. Mr. GaRNFRLL said, lie rose to move for the production of certain Accounts similar to those for which he had moved in the last Parliament, relative to the affairs and conduct of the Bank of England. it was hot his intention to touch upon those parts of this great question with respect to which notice had been given of motions by two of his Honourable Friends. He did not wish to precipitate the discussion of these subjects, which would be brought forward with so much more ability in a short time. One of these being of a mixed and general nature, and the.otber with re ference to the frequency of capital punishment to: forgery, were ,each of the highest impfirtance.— There„were, however, a few points not nece s sarily involved in the consideration of either, to which he bad already often adverted, but his sentiments on which he was anxious to repeat in a new Par liament. The statement of a few simple facts might be perhaps sufficient for communicating to new Members the views which he entertained On. this subject. During the last 22 years - , the Cor poration of the Bank of England bad accumulated enottuous wealth at the expense of the pals lie, without rendering any of those public services that coulo entitle them so such advantages. .The amount of this wealth exceeded all that had exet been acquired before, since banking and commerce were known to the world. It was de rived from two principal sources; the first of which was the restriction of cash-payments, a measure first adopted in the year 1797, and which had ever since absolved the Bank from all their pe cuniary obligations. It moreover placed in the hands of twenty-lour merchants, the tremendous power of issuing an incontrovertible, and there tore a forced paper currency, for their own sole and exclusive benefit. This currency cost the Batik nothings hut the price of the paper, and the expence of clerks employed in fabricating it. In deed there was one other expence which ought not to he overlooked—he meant that of carrying on the prosecutions against the numerous and wretched victims of this system, with whom the jails of the country were now crowded. The other great source of the gains of this Corporation, and one not less productive, was the exorbitant rates exacted for the management of the public busi ness--exactions for the allowance of which no Ad ministration had more to answer for than that of the present Chitncellor of the Exchequer. These were assertions which he had repeatedly made in the Last Parliament, awl which be would take leave to apprize the present had been met by the Bank, sometimes with evasion, sometimes in si lence, but never with disproof. They were founded on documents which had been laid before the house, and the authenticity of which could not be controverted. lie should conclude by moving for a variety of returns, and in the first place for " an account of die to al weekly amount of Bank-notes and Bank post bills in circulation, front the Ist of January, 1818, to the 25th January, 1819 ; distinguishing those under 51., and showing the aggregate amount for the entire pet iod." The CITANCELLott of the EXCHIMUER observ ed, that he had on a former evening intimated that it was not hit intention to object to the pro= duction of the accounts for which the Hon. Gen tleman was moving. The information which they contained might be usefully laid before the House as preparatory to the discussion which was to take place. With regard to the Hon. Gentleman's comments, and the justness of the inferences which he drew, a better opportunity would soon present itself for the consideration. of o.lem. An other important Paper—the Report of the Com missioners for inquiring into the means of pre venting Forgery of Bank Notes—had been al lead!, laid upon the table. Mr. GRENFELL then moved for an Account of the amount of Bank Notes in circulation on the 7111 and 12th days of each month, for the year ISIS ; distinguisiiing'and specifying them, as in the preceding Return : a ls o for t he hi g hest and lowest dim:3llllu in circulation at any one time, specifying the dates ; also of the amount on the Saturday night of each Weelc; also of the market prices of standard gold and silver in bars, and of the rates of exchange with riamburgh, Lisbon, and Paris : als , • of the balance of cash in the hands of the Bank belonging thcihe different Public Departments, on I).e. Ist and 15th of each month to the 15th Dec. 1816 ; also of the amount of unciaimed dividends ano lot te'ry profits at the same perint.ls ; also of the amonlit f ol, Exchequer-1)01 k received as cash ; of the allowances made to the Bank by the p a i li c for management; also of sovereigns and half-sovereigns laud by. the Bank, np to the latest period that it could be made out : and lastly, of the total amount of gold and silver coin issued from the ?Mint during the year 1818. These returnt were all successively ordered to be produced. REVENUE. Mr. MACDONALD gave notice, that he should on Thursday next submit a motion relative to the Collection of the Reven u e. GAME LAWS. Mr. BRAND moved an Address, praying that (bete be ill(' before the House a return of the ►umber of persons now committed tor offences agaitist the Game Laws, distingnishina those in custody under the Acts of the sth and 7th of his present Majesty, and-specifying the sentences al ready-passed upon ►hose who were convicted. After a few words from Mr. Becket, the n►o tion was agrecd to. CORN LAWS. Mr. CALLAGHAN, after a number of prefatory observations, most of which, from the low tone in which the Hon. Gentleman spoke and the noise that prevailed in the House, were inaudible, the object of which, however, from those we could occasionally hear, appeared to be to show the anomalies and irregularities of the present system of Corn Laws, and the discrepancy of the various Returns made under Ahem, moved that there be laid before the House an Account of the Quantity of Wheat, Barley, Oats, &c. imported from Foreign Countries into England, Scotland, and Ireland, tor the year ending the sth Ja- [wary, 1818, and the year ending the sth Ja nuary, 1819. Mr. ROBINSON was aware that errors bad occa sionally taken place in making up tire Returns, but he did not think these errors were either so numerous or important as they had been sup posed. It was, indeed, true, that from an error in the Return from Glamorganshire, the average in February last year was higher than it other• wise would have been ; and that, if this error had not been committed, the ports would have been closed against oats. It arose from omitting to reduce the common measure of the county to the Winchester bushel. Tire Motion was then agreed to. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHRQUER moved that the House do resolve itself in a Committee of Supply. Sir Roßiti,r WILsoN said, be rose under that anxious fear which every new Member felt on ad dressing the House for the first time, and he hoped the House would extend to him that indul- Bence which they were in the habit of granting to others in a similar situation. He was afr a id the few observations which he was about to offer would not he approved by some of his friends around him, and he was certain they would be condemned by those who were interested in the continuance of the present ruinous system, and who «' shed only to protract the evil day till they should be beyond its effects. It was not his intention to discuss questions which were more immediately within the province of professors of mathematicsl for he. was ashamed to say that he was not conversant with these, nor with some other subjects of political eco nomy. It had lately been stated in that House, that the country was at present in a state of calm joy and gladness ; but this he pro nounced to he the language of flattery. The finance question of this country was no doubt one of the greatest intricacy ; but without en tering into complicated details, he was sure it was impossible for the people of this coun try to pay the taxes necessary for conduct ing the Government, and for discharging a debt of 800,000,0001. Every thirty years a sum of 1,300,000,000/. was raised by taxes, and yet no debt was discharged. The truth was, that there was a great difference between revenue raised in a country not burdened with national debt, and that which was raised under the present circumstances of this Country: in ,the one case, the revenue passed through its natural channel ; in the other, it had to pass through the strainers of Govern ment: The industry and prosperity of a country. advanced or languished according as fiscal laws interfered or not with the national resources. In the one case, there was a healthy body with sound limbs; in the other, a diseased body with unsound limbs. It was this system which at present was hurrying rich and poor into a chaos of anarchy. It was said by Dr. Adain Smith, that the wealth of a country consisted in the comforts and enjoy ments which the people, both rich and poor, were able to obtain beyond the necessaries of lite. It Was known, however, that multitudes of people in this country were unable to procure ever, the necessaries of life. Instead of the po pulation and the means of sustenance having in creased, as was stated in a recent publication by an Honourable Member of that House, Govern ment had brought the nation to such a state, that it was impossible to say what were the means which could preserve the institutions of our Country. None but an idiot would think of pay ing debt with borrowed money. What would be the consequence of enabling Ministers to raise supplies ? We should have .one army sent to South America, not to repress injustice, but to enable Ferdinand to enslave a people; another to India, to seize all the revenue and occupy all the territory, from the Ganges to the Caspian Sea ; and" another to France, to make the Minis ter who had baffled oat's pay the ,debt which was due to us. Let it not be supposed that he would give this power unconditionally, even to the Hon. Gentlemen around him, who, if they were in office, might think, like their pre decessors, that every thing ought to be sacrificed to military glory. Military glory was a poor reward ; for where was the country which had enjoyed it, and had not been rained by it ? Even to them who woul d " have saved their country from the sus pension of the Habeas Corpus Act, he would not be disposed to give this power, till the country had obtained the only - effectual security, a re formed Parliament—a Parliament Which should re store to the people the elective franchise- 7 a Par liament which should not exhibit such a shame ful scene a 3 had been witnessed a few nights ago in that House. (It was supposed the Hon. Member alluded to thegreat number of Members returned by the County of Cornwall, who came forward to take. the oaths at the same time.) Tie was Itappy , .t at his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Tierney) had given notice of a motion on the subject of the Bank Restrictions, and lie should think it his dUty steadily to support it,' because he was anxious thalevery possible information should be obtain edloit a subject so closely connected with the finances of the country. It was not his . intentiOn to oppose the motion for a Comini ttee of Supply, because he was not disposed toettibairass the Go vernment so far, it being necessary for every Go vernment to raise supplies. A MEMBER, under the opposite Gallery, said that in calculating - the debt at 800,000,0001. the Hon. Gentleman had forgotten to give credit for what had been redeemed of it—Another remark which excited the cheers of the House we could not catch. The House having gone into,a Committee of Supply, Mr. BeoGDEN was - calleti to the Chair upon the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Ex , " CHEQUER, the supply wai'ioted of course, anti the House resumed. The Report'-wa*ordered to be taken into consideration to‘4-morrossr. DR. HALLORAN AND CONVICT S . /11K5. 3 Sir T. B. M ARTIN felt anxious ttirrinnteract-the impression made by an Hon. Gentleman last night. If there was any blame imputable, it ought not to be attached to the Noble Lord at the head of the Home Department : it ought to be transfer red to the Board over which he had the honour to preside. On the 9th of this month he had made a calculation upon the proportion of death; in convict ships, and he found it to be 53 in 6,409 that is, I in about 112. The Hon. Gentleman had stated, that they had been crowded so horri bly that it was sickening to see them. He had said, that six of them had been crowded into the space of six teet. This he utterly denied. They had as great a space allowed to them as a British soldier ; as great as he had had on board a man of War, and his sons now had.' None of the soldiers were allowed more than 14 inches. The Hon. Gentleman then read the returns of 9 s!iips, showing the number of convicts which each carried, and the number that died. The Baring, the very ship now in question, had formerly cart let! to Botany Bay 300 convicts, of whom only one died • she had had then the same officer as master, and the same surgeon as now. There never was an instance of greater kindness and humanity than the surgeon had shown to all under his care. He believed there existed not an abler - or a more skilful surgeon. He had been recommended by Sir Richard Keats, princi pally for his skill and humanity.—(Name, name.) — It was Dr. Reid. Mr. BENNET said, that as to the number of per sons, lie had visited two ships, in one were 300 convicts, in another 447. In the Baring he found 20, he might say 21 persons ; for Mr. Eveson, who had spent a considerable fortune was crowd ed, for his passage, into the same room. He went thence below, and sat upon a bcisi He was much shocked with the scene. Each crib was six feet by five and a half. He saw three laying in one of them, and asked bow many lay there, he was told that six did. He called the other three, and they immediately presented themselves. It might be that the orders from the Admiralty were that only four should lie in a crib. He might have asked the master to accompany him. But he represent- j a to the master, wi t h h orror, t h e state o f t he convicts. Hi s re ply was, '° For God's sake, Sir, don't go aw a y w i t h t h e i mpress i on that t h e c onvicts alone ar e crow d e d . L ook into my cabin, look into the soldi ers ' apartment, we are all ,equally crowded." So f a r was h e f rom dcaYing it, that he only aggravated the representation him, The H o n. G en tl eman had compared the si tuation of convict s with t h at o f s oldiers. If sol diers wer e cruelly t reate d, t h a t was no justifica tion for cruel tre a t ment to con victs ; but of the soldiers one-third w ere on deck ..;_s he knew f r om made to night. n ence. But all the convicts were shut u p during the night. B ut h e pledged him self that any one of the G ent l eme n opposite w ould be satisfied if he went d own to see these c onvicts. The Right Hon had sad l , that . Gentleman his o‘dvnurilegapetrir. ascertained th a t D r . O'Halloran lirtitnotibtele e l n h i a ll d . Not ill ! H e b ore on his countenance the p roofs of his illness, too strong to be mistaken. He had never seen man so changed. Such testimony was more likely to be true than the testimony relied on by the Right Hon. Gentleman. It should be recollected too, that the Surrey, which carried 200 convicts, of whom 50 died, had sailed at this very season ; and that the reason stated by the Board for this mortality was, the season of the year. He cared .not whether seamen or soldiers had as small a space assigned to them. Those disused to a sea life must find such confinement horrible beyond conception. The smell, too, which he had not mentioned, was surely a terrible aggravation. He could then re-assert, that it was a great act of cruelty to confine men in such a situation for a number of hours, at night, and under the line. Even in the abhorred slave-trade, each slave had one foot and a half. Considering these facts, he was not surprised to find, by the trials he Bail seen reported in the Newspapers, that those wretches, goaded by every kind of suf fering, chose rather to perish in battle than not to attempt to effect their escape. In bringing those cruel afflictions under the attention of the House, God knew be had no other object than to rescue his fellow-creatures front stiffering an un necessary and cruel aggravation of their punish ment. God knew that he had n ever proposed any other object for his exertion, than to diminish . the sum of human misery. Sir 'l'. B. MARTIN explained. To make up for the want of liberty to come on deck, the convicts had a ton more allowed to them in order to walk in. He then read a letter mitten by asonvict on his arrival, thanking the master and surgeon for their kindnes,. Sir ISAAC COFFIN rose to address the House on the subject. The SFEAKBR remarked, that perhaps the busi ness of the House was really forwarded by not adhering strictly on all occasions to the prescribed order; he had, therefore, not interrupted the Member who first spoke upon the subject, con ceiving that, as his statements had official au thority, it would be satisfactory to the House to hear them. Upon this view, the Gentleman who had replied was necessarily out of order. But it • het iie r was entirely in the pleasure of the House w--io ? this discussion should proceed further.---(bc-1 hear! arid Chair, chair !) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIECILVIR the S i adjournment of the H. „job ( ,ISAAC COFFIN said, he ouse had since lo t 15t applied to the Navy Board, and had now ii°"°-ia that his Hon. Friend (Mr. Bennet) had beertije an error : he should ha v e asked the Master °` ship to accompany him. DEDUCTIONS FROM NAVAL OFFICERS. in General FEttoussoN, seeing a gallant 00cer„,1‘ his place (Sir George Hope), begged leave him if certain fees were not deducted fry theN3ol? Officers going abroad, on leave being g iven d The sum deducted from an Admiral vois , - a proportionate sum from other.OffiCers. fee, Sir G. Nora said, it was'true_that,eerfaiii o ld I werelteducted on such occasiOns . .:' It w as ' 1 %4 custom. The money so obtained a g.ad'forni-nio gone to the Secretary 'and Chief Clexics; c d ° it penswion had been given them forAis,', Bll ,, a r. was now regularly accounted for every half General FeaGuss)sti was'satiafied that the of ney so obtained was properly applied; but h e not satisfied as to its being levied. 1.01 Sir G EORGE IVARRENDER said; the subject trie, been regulated by an ()oder; of Council , 0 ' 1 14 4 presentation from a Board .cit Admiralty, a t Lord Spencer presided. The House then adjourned. . , LAW INTELLI6ENC.S. 1 _,..'... COURT OF CHANCERY, TArtlg•' ~._,...r 1 LORD STEWART'S CAM • TEMPEST V. ORD.t . ' , !:.t::: l ite , we have repeatedly laid before our The SOLICITOR-GENERAL iiitie W ei ,- „ l id 61deri: or , he was instructed to request that/Airs' I.l.lher the testamentary guardian, would tate ‘ v. , ' ,4 - 0 00 she intended to persist in her appeal to-die i t ot of Lords, as if she did not, he would no" i ti gG that part of the order which restrained the of Lady Emily Vane Tempest %vitt) , Lord Ste should be discharged. The jadement °' s ad Court was delivered so early as J illy I °'' n o. surely since that there had been time 1" r ' LW I" in g any papers, atur some time must ti n e" ! af fore the case could be heard 111. the Li°l43e Lords. se w 0° Mr. ABERCROMBY (for Mrs. Taylor) itiois meaning whatever in making such an app as the present. , ,glit Sir ARTHUR PIGGOTT said, it had been t' )° , ~e 4 proper to make it, as the appeal must be f i n i f er . marr orc within fourteen days after the meeti n g ° eV . !lament, and these fourteen days would sa nn o its 1 her la Ladyship p pire. He trusted no unnecessary delay would Mr. HoaNa followed on the same side. .ia, Mr. ce. HART, y a s a h T ip „ for sincerelythe e t p s p l' e a t `should not be unnecessarily suspended. i tvic h 1 Mr. ABERCROMBY still was liOt satis fi ed ii„, the reasons assigned for making such so ° P v l , l 4 cation. No doubt Mrs. Taylor would per s _ ly e in the appeal, and she stood exact ly in the s"J., situation as other appellants did , and iind 00 site whatever to throw any delay in the vvilY' s he a evrl r e° T e,„ , The LORD CHANC ELLOR • Observed, that or der of the House of Lords w s for e days, but the ir Lordshi p s would nevertheless e % "' tend that perio d, on a p ro p er cause bein g she° resented witbin fourte titian of App eal being p to them for so d oi ng . He felt he bad no ' ri g to ask any appellan t s , from this Court, ally cri es ' tion as to their persevering or not in their or peals, and in this case he would nor do it. la ' c ases of-long Petitions, such as came from cot land or Ireland, longer time than 14 dry s "IS ,granted by the House of Lords. Applicaiion,dismissed, but without costso - Lordsfilp would not interfere. 111 The case of Drury-lane Theatre Will be nil' beard on Thurstiay.—(Morning Chronicle ) KING'S BENcx.=—Notiiiug of any utateli terest occurred yesterday. BIRTH. . of C ie On . Monday last, the lady of Thomas Hudson, Esq. mina Lacy, near Dorliing - ,*of a daughter. AR. lbfr On Tuesday, the 19th lust. at St. Kew, -Edward, ice Esq. of Kelby, Devon, Captain in his Majesty's bistthe Infantry Regiment, to Sarah, eldest daughter of Henry Braddon, Esq. of Shisdon Lodge DIED. On the I Sth inst. at Meibury House, Dursetshire, the CA-g lir. toss of Ilchester. A few days ago, at Nailer, in Devonshire, C°l9sali O'Dogherty of the Marines. On the -23 d inst. in the 7 8 th year o f his a g e, the Res'. mond Heysham, 47 yeais Rector of Little Al unden, Returning from Dominica, on board the Jane, whirl' unfortunately lost in Cardigan Bay, in the gale of Suva/ week last, Mr. Thomas Washington Kershaw, a passenge r ; 4 who, with the captai n and all the crew, p erished. The 04 two bodies washed a-shore were those of Mr. Kersliaw_.fai the Captain, which were inte rr ed in t h e Church-yards I"°..- Holyhead. PROVINCIAL BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, AND DEAV IS ' BI liTNS. Lately, at the Parsonage, Rnsltall, Wilts, the Lady of to Rev. Wm. Ranisden, of a daughter. On the 21st init. Mrs. J. S. Robertson; Pitt-street, Etlip° burgh, of a son. At Stud:bridge, near Edinburgh, on the 10th lost. Mrs Currie, of a.daughter. OIL a Of At Edinburgh, on ,the MA ED. . isth inst. Dr. Charles S hia— f Duncarn, to Miss Margaret Parlanc, youngest daughter the late hu Alexander Parlane, Esq. surgeon in Glasgow. o f Thursday last, at Wituborne, Dorset„ Mr. Jewel/2 Newport, Isle of Wight, to Miss Moss, of the former I l , l3 v ce isf. Lately, at Eallywaclough Church, county of Cork , Perinefather, of Newport, in the county of TipperarY, son'ot the Rev. John Pcnnefather, to Isabella, daughter 0 Wru. Harden, of Debshorough, Esq. Lately, at Lambertoti Park, Ireland, Captain ova,. rers. ° ' 16th Lancers, to Eliza, eldest daughter of ttre lion. Juitta Moore. DI ED. At Jedburgh, Scotland, on the 14th inst. Mrs. Betty ft,on e n e : wife of James Murray, Esq., second daughter of the rl ° ,, George Home, and graud-daughter of Charles, Earl of 1-ioal, Lately, the Rev. John Shephard, Minister of St. M ich t e d parish, Cambridge; Vicar of Walltritigham, in the co;.!" t i tb - , Nottingham ; and Deputy Chancellor and Surrogate 11, . diocese of Ely. He was formerly of Trinity College , P 1774, M.A. 1777. Lately, in Ennis, Ireland, suddenly, aged 66, FosterParsol* Esq. Proprietor of The Ennis chrodzif:le. On the 4cl 'inst. Charles Thomas, eldest son of the IteV' T. Fallow, Rector of Codford-Saint-Peter, Wilts. —-- - - - - - - - --- - - - eat LONDON: Printed hyJ. B. 'CARSTAIRS, of No. `-' 9 ' i G r r , Ormond-street, Queen-square; and published shed bV -- 40 1 SCRIPPS, of No. 7, South Molton-street, at 'll , 0 0 go , Oiiice, No. 119, Strand ; where Advettiernents, 01 " - Letters, ice, (post-pai4l) mast be addrosc,i. . " Th e ttt'!/.4 m oil Ni to hti g t ~ t ~ ej '~a Tti J Or "' Se Ptiqj l‘p,, il , Attu' rn rh ; tO Itt . 4. Iv I) , £1 ~,~ A. r '' } ~`l (' . k , ‘. 1. • it 1 'e, 4 ,4 vari ~~~ :'~s