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_ ._.-+ v )f* this (;heir, Bee, in would he So to be, t iy ttn mean- every be, £ 0 curious from honiss it con et for con ;et of 'or the sand ating lies of b e half , ets of oving ; Lent of a of in MORNING EDIT tON the, opportunity of announcing that Mr. Tooke, before leaving the room, had left a handsome donation to the Socleiy. The resolution was then put and carried unanimously. Mr. BELL, in proposing the next resol u ti on , expresse d a hope that th e next meeting of the Society w ou id b e i n • the large room. It should never be forgotten that all the accounts from the colonies proceeded from persons who had class interests opposed to the interests of the aborigines, who were entirely without protection, ex cept what th ey d er i ve d f rom the Society. It was essen : • • tial that the question of compensation to the aborigines for their grounds should be probed and thoroughly un ▪ derstood. and that the bargain made with them should be regulated by the circumstances of the natives themselves. Air. Bell then entered into the details of the injustice • c ommitted by Sir Francis Head upon certain Canadian tribes whose lands were now possessed by the Canada Land Company ; and after alluding to the state of the aborigines in New South Wales and New Zealand, expressed a hope that the Government would eventu ally adopt some plan for the more efficient protection of the natives. He concluded by proposing a resolution of thanks to the Auxiliary Societies, and to those cor respondents who had contributed their assistance. The Rev. Mr. GURNEY, an American gentleman, se conded the resolution, and expressed his belief that if the Society were known in America, he doubted not but that it would receive support from many of his countrymen, and he pledged himself that on his return to the United States he would lose no opportunity of urging the claims of ene Society upon his fellow-countrymen. In their name he thanked the Society for the compli ment paid them in the resolution. The resolution was t hen put and carried unanimously. Thanks were then voted to Mr. C. Hind and Dr. 130 wring, for their conduct in the Chair, and the corn- Pliment having been acknowledged by Dr. BOWRING, in a very neat and eloquent address, the meeting separated. STURGE, a gentleman wi) has resided a consider able ti me i n 13' mail, and devoted much time to the ci vilization of the Indians, distributed at the close of the Meeting several neatly executed me d a l s , represent i ng oerane, an Indian, who had been reclaimed from a sa . l'age state in that country. THE CORN-LAWS. UEETINT OF THE WARD OF FARRINGDON WITHIN. YeSterdaka respectable and numerous meeting of the inhabitants of this Ward took place at the late College of Physicians, Warwick-lane, 'for the puryose of taking into consideration the propriety of petitioning Parlia anent for the repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. Deputy' WESTWOOD took the Chair. tMr. T AYLOR sai d h e had the pleasure of moving the 'llowing resolution :--".That this meeting i s o f o p in i on that laws which prevent the free and regular importation of foreign co r n an d prov i s i ons i nto th i s populous island, are highly injurious to the industrious classes, detrimen tal to commerce, and Calculated to sap the foundation l) f our national prosperity." It was, he said, imagined so nicportion of the working classes that the abolition °1 the Corn-laws would be unattended by any advantage to them an d the country. It was said by them that a r duction in the price of corn and other articles of food would he neutralized by an equal reduction of their : ges• This was a mo s t erroneous v i ew o f t h ese ques :en; as he should nowshow.—(Hear, hear.) In 1835 t'L'e aver age pr i ce of wheat was 395. 4d. per quarter, and he,838 it w as 79 5. B d . per quarter. Now he would ask .11ouldwbeorking men, who thou g ht th a t t h e i r wages affected by the price of corn, whether their Uwages Were lower in 1835, when the price of corn was nder 405., than they were 'in 1839, when the price of orn was nearly 80s., almost double.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) In 1835, when corn was less than 40s. per quarter, it took twenty-five millions less t o su pply t h e • . people of E ng l an d with food than in the year 1839. (Rear, he ar .) And what became of these twenty-five millions which in 1839 were all absorbed by the landed r opriet ors ?—(Hear, hear.) Did these twenty-five mil :ns not go t o p urc h ase the manufactures of this count ir?, ! At the f ormer per i o d agr i cultural labourers were „Ie to spen d considerable money, comparatively speak ll, upon th e manufacturing productions of the country. 'rale had not been so prosperous for years as in 1835, the price of wheat was low, whereas, if the ideas entertained by many working men were correct, it should h ave been a year of distress.—(Hear, hear.) But as it was seen, the very contrary was the case. What con- Netion, he would inquire, was there between food and akea ? 'Wages depended not upon the demand for la but upon the price of food. M. LEAF seconded the resolution, and, in doing so, said h e felt that it was the imperative duty of every man to put his shoulder to the wheel on the present occasion. However weak his voice —however small his influence -110 should exert them in endeavouring to get rid of the orttel and oppressive Corn-laws. If they were true to • themselves In carrying out this . great work of reform, the Government had expressed its willingness to assist t hem. —(Hear, hear.) They had all felt the depression of trade of late years, and the evils arising from it Might he traced to the working of the Corn -laws.— (Hear, hear.) He did not hesitate to say that he was for a total repeal of these obnoxious imposts, but he would be grateful for a modification of them.—(Hear.) The resolution was then put and carried. Mr. ASHURST, in a good speech, moved that this meeting, without admitting that justice will be done to • t he people of England by any plan short of the total and 'trig unconditional repeal of the Corn-laws, considers the • l i rTosal of her Majesty's Government to place a fixed isT 7 Y on f ore i gn corn as a great improvement on the ex n.,,l laws, and as calculat e d t o con f er a great benefit is country. 4 r. W ARWICK seconded the motion, and some excel lent speeches were made on the occasion, for which, we ve trret, we cannot find room. the resolutions were carried by acclamation ; after „ f !,; 11 it was agreed to forward petitions to both House s arliament—that to the Lords to be presented by Fitzwilliam, and that to the Commons by the City THE WARD OF CRIPPLEGATE WITHIN. Yesterday forenoon, at 11 o'clock, a most numerous t it h ri :, l h ighly respectable wardmote of the inhabitants of r Ward of Cripplegate Within, at which Sir M. Wood, pi a o t • 11.1). Alderman, presided, was held at the Crip m-teirte Within Charity Schools, Phillip-street, London wall, to take into consideration the propriety of peti lZs, g Parliament for an immediate alteration of the eii2lent Corn -laws." There were present Messrs. Smith, e, Brown, Beeton, Last, and Brass, Common Coun ehau'en of the ward ; Messrs. Sturt, Morley, &c. mer- T r and manufacturers, Mr. Payne the Coroner, &c. th at ,! C RAlttistAN having read the requisition, remarked Ike was always advocated the principles of free trade, and "' Of t h",ready to support the utmost extent of the repeal duties upon corn.—(Hear.) It was believed' by to ai ' l ,, t he farmer and agricultural proprietor were averse eas e ; 1 ' al terations of those laws • but that was not the tho 4 ,l l lß eng the m ore ra ti ona l c l ass o f them, and who • wer e ' s , t t hat those law s were as i n j ur i ous to t h em as they 111 5 1, 0 V the co un t ry at l arge .—(H ear.) They ought to glad t ,'"vii their opinions to Pa r li ament , an d h e was thus tiu:l that the ward of Ctipplegate was the first m r ",'lY to come forward in support of the Government. Oi ta ', 40 iii.Ey moved the first resolution, and observed • tati,,,'e t re was no doubt that the law against the impor 4no tv:'corn was working to the injury of the country, the y Y °tight not to cease agitating the question till llr obtained a total repeal of themtion ..—(Applause.) ROOLE seconded the resolu th ' 4l '• SHAW moved the second resolution, remarking aa,t the diffi culty the Government had to contend against •', that they liad three large monopolizing interests to 0 1 :1 10 §e The Ministers, however, still are willing to leave but they are not satisfied with that, and they, the 1 7 1 ' nonolists argue that such a course would give encou , J i g e ment to slavery. But th e rea l-f act was, that the mo splolists did not care at all respecting the interest of the av e Populati on o f B raz i l and Cuba, and all they wanted Was to keep the trade in their own hands and have large Profits, at th e same t i me keeping John Bull enslaved.-- -(C liwprse) He hoped to see the tax completely oblite ' 'tted.--(applause,) it Various other speakers addressed the meeting, when wa.s further moved, that a petition, embodying the re solutions, be presented to the Houses of Lords and Com mons, and that Sir M. Wood be requested to present the same to the House of Commons. The petition and the resolutions were agreed to unani wooly, when ettAIMIAN observed he should be extremely happy to present the petition and support its object, and he should not forget to state that the meeting was most numerous, and that the feeling was unanimous in the ob ject they were concerned upon. • Three cheers were then given in support of the mea -44-11,e the Government, and the meeting was dissolved. . . ~~ ~'II~ INSBURY REFORM CLLB. A , : , . . ______ ...1,) This'Cldb held a meeting last night at the Belvedere 3'„TVt;rii,' which was numerously and respectably . at- Onded. . 14 . , Mr. N icuoLsoN having tak en th e c h a i r, 11.11 r. 13 A 1 NAnn,`the Secretary, read the following reso , tietenes:w_Lhich had:'heen 'pre vious l y prepared by a Com sr, 1. That the Corn-laws are highly, detrimental to. the ,rwell-beinn• of this country, and press heavily upon. the ii.Abouring'portion of the community, depriving the poor . l Apaii of the IT means of comf or t to which he is ,entitl e d, ~ , litig p.4rin the hem a industry the abode of p enury lac., lt privailoo ~T hat this m e eti ng v i ews, with satisfaction and gra ,f, tification, th e exert i on of her Majesty' s 'Minister§ to re hteve the * obstructions to 'the prosperity of the nation to abolish monopoly, and encourage free trade,, and can- tit emit expressing its indignation at the , attempt of tilt; i l t-51 : t`-' t h e mill thvir• obits to conti nue th e present; loans aegraridisement of the landowners and other Teenopolists, regardless ' of the misery of their fellow breatures. 44 of Ittformrs in this borough, and those who have • . I )et already enrolled th emselves in the Finsbury Reform . ulub,,are invited to do so withoit delay, as an early dis solution of Parliament is expected. Mr.‘.tib Tl Ewir in a short sp praisedeech, i n w hi c h he ,)se who s u pp orte d t h e wise plans of the' Government, ilhiN 'tit the foregoing resolutions 2 i twi . . , tin, o ' ' -. ' be adopted by the , Mr'. iiTCHARD TAYLOR cordiallysupported the motion, ii , ' l r.eatise be thought that the Ministerial plan em .:".,,ck11.4 all that was gratifying to the country ; .til : hoped. all clasSes of Reformers would throw ~, li V thei:r particular plans to support the one k•ratLukeasiate ; and he thought that the repeal of !f.i,i ,eh'egreat monopolies once obtained, all the rest would '''l,'", easy, as the aristocracy only bribed at elections, to ~ • bnabled to continue these gross abuses, and de bauched the morals of the people in order to keep up 4 ';,: e i t ° l )( AY. lie thought that the Chancellor of the Ir 4 44er had gone upon a right footing to increase e:revenne by lightening the people's burdens, and was :j,tlni tv,4ll.re,the people would see through, and apprecia, )Tderisy of those men who had raised the opposi- 1 , tion, on the ground [of keeping out of this country the produce of slave-labour. The resolutions were unanimously agreed to, a vote of thanks wa3 moved to the Chairman, and the meeting separated. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. TATTERSALUS-YESTERDAY. The room was so thronged during the whole of the after noon, that it was quite impossible to ascertain the extent of business transacted : our report, therefore, must be received as applicable only to the general character of the betting. Ralph was supported with uncommon spirit, first at 11 to 2, and at half a point less before the room was closed. Scott's two fol • lowed him as second and third favourites ; Van Amburgh, at one time, appearing disposed to vacate his position ; to 1 was betted against him, and immediately after the same odds were taken about the Marshal ; the subsequ:nt betting did not restore him to his original position in the odds, but it gave him the call of tke Marshal, who, after two bets of 8 to 1, left off at the price stated below. Belgrade, who has been sold to Lord Lichfield, was backed for large sums at 9 and 10 to 1, closing at the smaller quotation. The same odds were betted against Coro nation, and with a like result. Galaor, who has " taken" amazingly with several south country people, was also in fa- vour at an improved quotation ; and to this lot the greater and only interesting part of the betting was confined. Prince Caradoc, reported to be amiss, has bet.ten a retreat ; and no bet, that we heard of, was booked about. Ermeugardis. A lew outsiders were backed, but at prices which do not warrant an expectation of their becomingmuch better favourites. The Oaks betting was fiat; 2 to 1 and 5 to 2 were taken about Lord Westminster's two; 6 to 1 about Lampoon singly, and only 12 to 2 offered against Ghuznee ; Ermengardis and Potentia had several friends, and inquiries made about General Wynd ham's Buskin filly, but nothing done. Thu closing averages were as follow : DERBY: Even on the field agst four. 11 to 4 agst Scott's lot 50 to 1 agst Col. Peel's lot 50 to 1 agst Mr. Batson's lot 1000 to 15 agst Mr. Rush's lot 5 to I agst Lord Albemarle's Ralph—taken 7 to 1 agst Lord Westminster's Van Amburgh 15 to 2 agst Lord. Westminster's Marshal Soult 9 to 1 agst Mr. Ravilinson's Coronation 9 to I agst Lord Lichfield's Belgrade 12 to 1 agst Mr. Vansittart's Galaor--taken 23 to I agst Col. Crauford's Ermengardis 30 to I agst Mr. Mostyn's Prince Caradoc 40 to 1 agst Lord Jersey's Joachim 50 to 1 agst Mr. Thornhill's gringo 50 to 1 agst the Duke of Rutland's Sir Hans 50 to 1 agst Col. Anson's the Duke of Wellington 1000 to 15 agst Mr. Griffith's Hereford 1000 to 10 agst Mr. Batson's Potentia—taken 1000 to 10 agst Mr. Batson's Monsieur le Sage—taken 1000 to 10 agst Mr. Wingbush's Finchley—taken 1000 to 10 agst Mr. Thornhill's E. 0. 4000 to 50 agst Col. Westenra's The Nob—talcen 1200 to 800 on Sir Hans agst Mr. Rush's lot—taken 300 to 150 on Ralph agst Coronation 1000 even between The Nob and Knightsbridge OAKS. 11 to 2 agst Lord Westminster's Ghuznee 6 to 1 agst Lord Westminster's Lampoon—taken 7 to 1 agst Col. Craufurd's Ermengardis—taken 8 to 1 agst Mr. 13atson's Potentia 1000 to 10 was laid several times agst Mr. Rush's lot, and 2000 co 15 once agst Finchley. Prince Caradoc and Birthday have arrived at Epsom ; Finch ley, Snowdrop, Negus, Portsoken, Arundel, and several others are en route. The Knight of the Whistle arrived on Friday with the-rest of Scott's horses, but instead of proceeding with them to Epsom, has been sent back to York. THE WEATHER—NooN, MAY.I7. ROYAL GALLERY OF SCIENCE, ADELAIDE-STREET. Barometer Thermometer... 60 I Highest 7l f Lowest 44 Wind S.W.—Freezing Point 32 Deg. THE MOVEMENT IN IRELAND,—MEET ING OF THE CITIZENS OF DUBLIN.—Under the presidency of the truly patriotic Earl of Charlemont, the Liberals of this city, including all sections of the great Reform party, crowded the Royal Exchange yesterday, to give emphatic expression to their undying hostility to the Tory-Orange faction, the heredi tary oppressors of Ireland. That meeting was—in numbers, in the standing and character of those who attended, and in the feeling of determined resistance to a resumption of Orange sway, which pervaded the assembled citizens--everything which the crisis demanded. It was an example of energy and union to the country ; but at such a period the Reformers in the pro vinces require no example to stimulate them to the prompt performance of their duty, when the hand and the heart of ever• honest man is required to sustain the Government in its efforts on behalf of the people against the combined bigots and monopolists, who strive to displace that Government in ord•-r to maintain and increase their power of starving, grinding, and oppressing the industrious classes of our population.—Dublin Evening Post of Friday. A curious circumstance was observed on Sun day afternoon by a gentleman who was passing through the enclosure of St. James's-park, on the small island nearest Buckingham Palace. A duck had just hatched a brood of young ones. With that instinctive craving for the water natu ral to them, the young ducklings, as soon as the shell was burst, waddled to the water's edge, followed by the old one. One of the little ones, which had a portion of the shell still on its back, was about to make its first attempt on its favourite element, when a large fish jumped up above the water, seized it, and immediately disappeared: the old duck seeing this, in stantly dived after it, and remained under water upwards of a minute, but came up without it. She then stood for some time contemplating the spot where the young one had disap peared, and, as if to make another effort to save it, again dived after it, but came up as before. unsuccessful. The fi,h was supposed to be a large trout, with which the lake abounds. A vast number of the young are destroyed in this manner by . the fish. Lo RD SA NDON.—His Lordship numbers among his political friends many gentlemen engaged in the Brazil and a few in the United States trade. These gen tlemen, particularly those engaged in the trade to Brazil, are highly indignant at his conduct on the sugar ques tion, and several of them have vowed that they will oppose him, whenever he appears before his constituents to solicit a renewal of the trust now reposed in him. They are vexed not merely at his open opposition to their interest as merchants deeply concerned in the prosperity of Brazil : they are vexed at the want of courtesy which he has shown to the Brazilian Association. While lie lost not a moment, they say, in acquainting the West India interest with the proposal on the subject of sugar, he did not condescend to make any communication to the Brazilian interest. hence the Brazil merchants are satisfied that he is the sole partisan of the West India interest, whose good-will and support he seeks at the sacrifice of the obvious interest of the Brazilian. The fact, we suppose, is, that his Lordship deems himself more beholden to the West Indians than to the Bra zilians, and he has taken this opportunity as the most favourable for evincing his gratitude for favours received and for favours expected. Well, the Brazilian interest are irritated and chagrined at Lord Sandon's treatment of them : will they vote against him at the next Action ? We shall soon see.—Liverpool Albion. The tide of emigration still runs strongly towards the United States. In the absence of goods the ships fill with steerage-passengers. The Roscius, which sailed yesterday for New York, carried out nearly 350. Liverpool Albion. THE DUBLIN MAIL.—On and after the 15th of next month, the evening mail from London will be con veyed on the Chester and Birkenhead Railway, and reach the station before six o'clock in the morning. Her Majes ty's steamers, instead of receiving it on the Liverpool, will receive it on the Cheshire side of the Mersey, and sail direct for Dublin. The mail and passengers from Li verpool will be conveyed on board in a steamer. Half an - hour, at least, is expected to be gained by the altera tion of the route of the London down mail.—Liverpool Albion. PARIS, MAY 15 —(Extract from a Letter.) — During the whole of my residence in Paris, now amount ing to some fifteen years, I have never seen so much in terest manifested about any point of English politics, as at the present moment on the subject of the Corn-laws. Every description of persons—Deputies, journalists, or merchants—speak in favour of the proposed change, and only wonder that it could have been deferred so long. Here, where bread is cheap, the monstrous exactions of the enactments relative to the corn-trade appear some thing akin to madness. They consider the struggle in England as the first efforts of strong men waking from a state of lethargy, and resolved to shake off the burden placed on them by weak, though crafty, 'opponents. This struggle may be of short or long duration, but the cause of common-sense, they think, must prevail at last. This is the universally-received opinion here, and it appears to me a just one. PASSAGE TO BOMBAY.—It may interest some of our readers to learn the actual and requisite expenses of an overland journey from London to Bombay. The items are estimated from the letter of a Field-Officer in her Majesty's Army, and we can vouch for their minute accuracy. Passage to Alexandria per steamer, 45/. Fee to steward and servants, 1/. 10s. Living on shore at Gibraltar, and boat-hire there, 2/. 3s. Living at Malta, boats and porters there, 1/. 6d. Hotel at Alexandria, 10s. Passage up the Nile including living, &c. &c., 4/. At Cairo, 1/. Crossing to Suez, 2/. Cabin passage to Bombay, 80/. e. 800 Rupees.) Sundries, 2/. Total expended between London and Bombay, 1391. 9s. Now it is obvious that this expenditure is fully met by the passage allowance, of 1101. to Captains and 951. to Subalterns, if they are willing to expend their regimental pay during the trip. The 'sole advantage to the poor officer in going round the Cape of Good Hope, is that he obtains his passage and living for the foregoing sums, but he has to carry against that advantage the large supply of sea outfit required for a voyage of four or five nionths.—Naval and Military Gazette. , EDINBURG PRESBYTERY.—A special meeting of the Presbytery, was held yesterday in the Hall St. David-street. A call in favour of the Rev. James Hamilton, of Roxburgh Church, to Regent square Church, London, was read. The Rox burgh , congregation were summoned to next meet ing to hear the objections to the translation. The Committee on the North Leith presentations reported that, after consulting counsel they had agreed • that Mr. Davidson's presentation was in valid as the • oaths of the patrons had not been taken according to Act of Parliament, but they delayed any decision as to the validity of Mr. M'Naughton's from want of information on particular points. The Rev. Mr. Fairley moved that the whole matter be remitted to the I Goneral Assembly, which was seconded by Mr. Thorburn, but the Report was apprOved of by a majority of 20 to 2. Mr. Malcolm, who appeared for Mr. Davidson, appealed his case to the General Assembly, and intimated that proceedings would very likely be adopted in the civil Courts for the protection of his right to the charge.-- Edinburgh Weekly Chronicle. LORD J. RUSSELL'S SPEECH.—Lord J. Rus sell's speech, on the 7th instant, has been published in a cheap form for circulation. We do not remember having ever witnessed so much enthusiasm on any question since the passing of the Reform Bill, as there ha. been by the publication of this speech. One man, a collier, who called at our office on Thursday morning to pur chase a. dopy, said he had come seven miles for it. During • yesterday and Thursday several hundreds were sold in this town, chiefly among the labouring classes.--:Bolton Free P-ess. THE SUN,' 1_ ON D(rsT. TUESDAY, MAY (18. t IMPERIAL. PARLIAMEN T HOUSE OF LORDS, May 17. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool sack shortly after Five o'Clock. The Exchequer Bills Bill was read a third tithe and passed. - The Bank Copartnership Bill was read a third time . and passed. The. Duke of_DEVONSHIRE presented a petiti 6 n from . the Mayor anal Corporation of Derby, in favour of the proposed alteration of the sugar, timber, and• corn duties. The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL presented a petition :franythe Colonial Association against the proposed alter .ation of - the Tiniber 'Duties. Lord WILLOUGHBY D'ERESBY presented a pe tition from Lincolnshire against alteration of the Corn- laws. The Marquis of WESTMINSTER presented a peti tion -Signed by the Mayor, and 750 of the inhabitants of 'a town in Cheshire, of which we did not catch the name, in favour of the alteration. He cordially supported the _ Lewd RERESDALE presented a petition from Chel sea, for the abolition of the Metropolitan Bridge Tolls. The Marquis of EXETER presented a number of pe titions against the alteration of the Corn-laws. The Duke of RUTLAND presented similar petitions from places in the counties of Leicester and Rutland. Ran FITZ WILLIAM was desirous of speak ing upon the petitions presented by the Noble Duke, because no man could approach the -House with greater claims on their attention, not merely on account of his high station and ample possessions, but on account also of the close connexion which he undeviatingly main tained with those who lied under him, and on acconnt of his active and unbounded benevolence.-(Cheers.) One paragraph in the petitions just presented struck him as particularly requiring attention, as it was directly opposite to the prayer of a petition presented from the. same parties only five years ago, when the same, land owners and farmers came to the House saying they were all ruined, and praying their Lordships to do something for them. They then stated that the Corn-laws were in effective, and required alteration, and now they prayed as vehemently that there should be no alteration. In fact there was, no class of the community but com plained of those laWs at some time or other—in 1835 and 1836 the farmers complained of them—in 1840 and 1841 the merchants cried out against them. That ought to con vince their Lordships that the system was a bad one. He requested them to look at the state of the commerce of the country. The export of finished manufactures had greatly diminished, whilst that of unfinished and imper fect gods had increased. The manufactures of the Con- tinental nations were improving as ours declined, and he cautioned their Lordships not to pass or to keep 112 any laws which had a tendency to give those manufitctures a further impulse.—(Hear.) It was important to remember that the German League was about to expire, whether that combination was entered into the .nigh hostility to England, or, as he rather believed, for the purpose of getting rid of the international duties on Germaly. They should also look to the depressed state of the manufacturing population of this country, and if they did not think the Corn-laws were the cause of the distress, they ought at all events to inquire into the cause. A paper had been put into his hand this morn ing, to show that the same quantity of provisions which a certain body of workmen could purchase in 1835 for 12,000/. would now cost 18,0001. It was a mistake to suppose that wages would rise in this ratio of fifty per cent. Nothing could be more erroneous than to sup pose that wages rose in proportion to the increase in the price of provisions. The.contrary was the fact, on the very case to which he referred—for, in 1835, the wages of these persons were higher than in 1840.—(Hear.) Lord KENYON inquired, did he mean to apply that doctrine to agricultural districts ?_ Earl FIT2WILLIAAI said he meant to apply it Lord kENYON--Then it is not true ; in the districts with which I am acquainted, the wages have risen in proportion to the price of food. Earl FITZ WILLIAM was aware that in some places there had been an advance of wages. But that was confined to agricultural labourers, and it was not universally the case with them. The first abet which the rise in the price of food occasioned, was to injure the condition and the comforts of all classes of labourers, but especially of the manufacturers. The next effect was, to injure trade and manufactures generally ; • and, in fact, there had been a continual deterioration •of the . -•• state of this country for years past. It was worse last year than the year before, and worse this year than last. In the prices of our ma nufactures there had not been an increase concurrently with the scarcity of food—on the contrary, there had been a deeline.—(Hear, hear.) In our exports (except to the colonies, of which we had a monopoly) there had been a decrease as he had said, especially of finished goods ; for instance, though there had been no decrease in the export of yarn, there had been in the export of cloth. The Noble Earl concluded by presenting a petition from Manchester in favour of the alteration of the Import Duties on Corn, Timber, and Sugar. The Earl of RIPON denied that the argument which the Noble Earl attempted to draw from the sup posed decrease of our exports applied to those countries (Russia, Germany, Holland, and Belgium). which would be effected by any reduction of our Corn-laws. Besides, the Noble Earl was not correct in stating that there had been a gradual decrease in the value of our exports of late years. By returns which were laid on the table in 1839, and which had since been carried down to the close of last year, it appeared that the official value of our exports was, in 1829 £61,152,000 1830 1831 1832 1833 1834 1835 1836 1837 1838 1839 1840 —(Much cheering.) It was true that in these years there was some fluctuation, but, looking at the whole period, there was, in fact, a gradual increase instead of diminu tion.—(Cheers.) He had also returns of the declared value, which was somewhat different in the amount, but the result was the same, that is, they showed a gradual increase. The returns relating to the exports to Russia, Germany, Hungary-, and Belgium showed the same in crease as the general exports in the same years. They were as follows in 1829 £13,651,000 1830 1831 1832 1833 1834 1835 1836 1837 1838 1839 —(Cheers.) He knew that the Noble Earl would say that although the statement might be true that the amount had been increased, yet the profits had di minished, because the goods exported were for the most part unfinished. But that was not the case, especially as regarded the exports to the countries to which he had re ferred. The decrease in the perfectly manufactured articles was very small, while the increase on both was enormous. He could not see what possible injury could be done to the spinner of wool by any decrease in the exportation of manufactured articles. Take aseries of periods, each containing four years. In the first the export amounted to 2,191,0001. ; in the second four years it was 2,399,000/. in the third period it was 2,011,000/. ; the middle period was much the largest ; but there was this singular cir cumstance attending it—that period comprised the years 1833, 1834, 1835, and 1836. Now these four years com prised the period when corn was at the lowest price, and when consequently the duty was highest.—(Cheers.) During that period the export of cotton manufactured goods was the greatest.—(Cheers.) He did not want to draw any unreasonable inferences from the fact, but he thought it was enough to make their Lordships pause befi,re giving implicit credence to the statements of the Noble Earl.—(Hear, hear.) As far as he was indivi dually concerned, he had never supported any Corn Bill whatever, except upon the most sincere conviction that it was a necessary evil, in order to prevent this country from being dependent for its subsistence upon foreign coun tries. He could bear his testimony to the faithfulness of the picture drawn by the Noble Earl of the Noble Duke (Rutland), whose virtue'and: benevolence were the admi ration of all who knew him. He hoped the same feelings would animate him in the management of that great pro perty which it had pleased God to bless him, and how ever inferior others might be to him in property, rank, and public estimation, he hoped they might all put in a claim to be influenced in the matter not by the wretched and miserable and selfish objects which are sometimes ascribed to them, but by an anxiety to do their duty to those who looked up to them for support. The Duke of Rli TLAND said that although he dif fered on many points of national policy from the Noble Earl opposite, he always had, always would attribute to him as the motives by which his pnblic conduct had been swayed, those of pure patriotism and public benevolence. He could not help thinking that if they legislated for ages, they could not enact anything better than a duty which would be in the inverse ratio of the price—that was to say, that when the price was high the duty should decrease, and when it was low the duty should be such as would promote the interests both of the home-grower and the consumer. In the district in which he resided the farmers, greatly to their credit, and also to those beneath them, without any application, raised the wages of the labourers from 12s. to 14s. and 155. a week; That rate continued until November, when he (the Duke of Rutland) reduced his men from 14s. to 12s. a week. But he had the gratification to say, that many of the farmers around him continued to pay their men from 12s. to 15s. a week. Ile could state that the labourers generally ' would infinitely prefer having the corn at a remune rating price to their employers, than to have wages low, and corn at a price which would not remunerate them. He had adduced the opinion of a body of labourers on the subject, and he was not afraid that their Lordships would slight the petition of the humblest classes of her Majesty's subjects upon any question of national policy, especially on so important a question as the Corn-laws. The Earl of STRADBROKE said, with reference to the observation of . the Noble Earl (Ripon), that in 1831-5 the price of labour in the east of England was Bs. per week ; but when corn rose, wages rose also to 12s. a week, at which they now stood. Fad FITZWILLIAM said, that he conceived the fact of the rise of wages, as stated by the Noble Earl, to result very much from the operation of the Poor-laws. He was about to show to the Noble Earl (Ripon) that they both perfectly agreed on this point. The Noble Earl had read a table, by which it appeared that our exports of half-manufactured goods had much increased, of which he (Earl Fitzwilliam) had no doubt ; but that table also showed that the export of complete manufac tured goods had diminished, and this appeared to him (Earl Fitzwilliam) to be one of the most alarming symp toms of the state of our manufactures--(Hear, hear} — our exports being that on which the least amount of labour was expended. He quite agreed with the Noble Duke that their Lordship's' ear would be opened to the petitions of the humblest classes of the community, but there were humble classes in the manufacturing as well as the agricultural districts—(Hear, hear)—and all he desired of their Lordships was, that they would open their ears as much t o t h e manufacturing as to those of the agricultural poor, and see whether there were any grounds of complaint against these laws. He gave the Noble Earl full credit that his sole object was to make the country independent of foreign countries for supply, but if this were the object of these laws, all he could say was, that they had not been fortunate in their re sult. The only question for their consideration, was the mode and circumstances under which they could obtain the • supply. That they must, have a supply there could be no doubt. The Duke of WELLINGTON, who was very indis tinctly heard, said that from the year 1829 to the year 1841 the official value of exports of British and Irish produce and manufacture produced an increase from 56,217,000/. to 102,715,117 0 1., and the declared value from 10,148,3051. to 41,468,400/. The Noble Duke, after quoting a table of the exports of cotton and cotton manufactures, which was quite inaudible in the gallery, said that these papers showed that the manufactures and commerce of the country could not be considered as in a very unprosperous state, either in reference to . quantity or value. The prosperity of manufactures must depend on the • general prosperity. The Corn-laws were supported, not with a view to the ad vantage of any particular interest or class of men, but with a view to render the whole country independent of foreign nations in respect to its,supply of food. He be lieved that all parties would best consult their interests in the attainment of this object.—(Hear.) Undoubtedly it was impossible for the agricultural interest to ftourish without their Lordships, and other great proprietors, deriving some advantage from it ; but he would give their Lordships credit for higher motives—they supported the law for the sake of the people themselves. The Earl of RADNOR denied that the present Corn law had answered its purpose, for during the 11 . years previous to 1839 we had imported more corn than in any. 11 years before ; it had, therefore, not rendered us in dependent of foreign countries for our supply of food.—(Hear.) The Noble Duke (Rutland) had said that the price of wages had risen with the price of corn, but that had not been the case in the South : indeed wages did not at all depend upon the price of corn, but upon the supply and demand for corn. The fact was, as had been stated by his Noble Friend, that the export of finished goods had diminished in pro portion to the unfinished. In 1829 the proportion w•as 61,000/. of perfect goods to 39,0001. of unfinished. In 1839 the proportion was exactly the reverse. It was 68,000/. imperfect to 32,000/. of perfect. This ,was great injury to the operative, who lost the employment which would be derived from finishing, and that too the most valuable part of the employment. The' Noble Earl then read letters from Stockton and Ashton, and other manufacturing towns, to show the extreme distress that prevailed in those towns from want of employment, and the high price of provisions. In Ashton the mills were working only four days a week, and then on short time. The Noble Earl then reverted to his former statement that the exports of wheat from Ireland and Scotland had diminished. He had again examined the official re turns, and he found that what he had said was Correct, although he regretted that he should have given offence by that statement to Noble Lords connected with those parts of the United Kingdom. The Earl of HADDINGTON and the Earl of WEST MEATH protested that they had not taken offence at the Noble Earl's statement. . . The Duke of WELLINGTON said that the export of manufactures had increased as 100 to 1 since the enact ment of the present Corn-laws, and the declared value had been more than double.—(Hear, hear.) Lord ASHBURTON could not deny that distress ex isted in the manufacturing districts, but he was convinced that the measure contended for by the Noble Earl opposite (Fitzwilliam) would greatly aggravate rather than remedy it. The greatness of the manufactures had grown up with the Corn-laws. It had run up with occasional checks, and with alternations of prosperity and distress, but still it had run up since the enactment of those very Corn-laws, and no country in the world ever presented such an accumulation of wealth as this during the last twenty-five years. Of the sixty millions sterling that had been invested in railway enterprises, at least fifty mil lions came from the manufacturing towns. -L-(Hear, hear.) Possessing such wealth, notwithstanding the oc casional fluctuations inseparable from trade, they ought not to seek to depreciate other interests and to destroy their own home market.—(Cheers.) The Noble Lord complained of the agitation which had been got up on this subject for party and factious purposes, fir which all the great interests of the country had been thrown into a most injurious state of suspense.—(Hear, hear.) Earl HARDWICKE said the Government now pro posed to raise more revenue from bread than had ever been done before. That was the way they proposed to relieve the manufacturer. Earl FITZ WILLIAM said it was a way in which the manufacturer would be pleased to be relieved. Lord ASHBURTON said the Government had been agitating the country from one end to the other through the officers of the Board of Trade, who had given the most exaggerated accounts before the Committee of the other House—such accounts as could not have stood for a moment before any one holding different opinions, or had they been cross-questioned. The Earl of CLARENDON begged to be allowed to give an unqualified denial to the assertion that the Go vernment had been agitating throughout the country upon this question. The country generally took a very different view of the Report of the Committee on Im port Duties from what the Noble Lord did. In his opinion it was the most important document ever put forth by any Committee. It had been translated into almost every language, and was deeply studied on the Continent. No less than 46,000 copies of it had been sold to parties who paid for them—of course they wanted them, or they would not have parted with their money. —(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord might call it absurd, shallow, and empirical, but the country were of a different opinion—the Report was the fair result of the evidence laid before the Committee.; however, there was nothing in the Report half so valu able as the former speeches of the Noble Lord.—(Hear.) In the year 1815 the Noble Lord said the duty .on corn cost the country eighteen millions and a half and not for revenue, but that was the sum put into the pockets of the landlords ; and calculating up to the present period, by the showing of the Noble Lord himself, the country had paid between three hundred and four hundied mil lions. Was there anything more extravagant than that in the evidence given before the Committee ? . The Earl of WICKLOW blamed the Government for giving up their own convictions for the mere purposes of party. Lord ELLENBOROUGH said the witnesses before the Committee were not cross-examined. Had any one been there holding contrary opinions the result would, undoubtedly, have been very different. The Earl of RADNOR said the Committee was fairly constituted, and consisted of half from one side and half from the other side of the House. If any Hon Member had entertained an opinion of the evidence such as the Noble Lord, it was his duty to have attended and sifted the matter. The Marquis of NORMANBY denied that any change had been made in the intentions of the Government by recent events. Every part of their plan had been de cided upon long before the Easter recess. Earl FITZWILLIAM presented a petition from the Corporation of Manchester and numerous other places, prayinc , for the repeal of the Corn-laws ; and one from Peterborough, praying for a revision of the Import Duties. The Marquis of NORMANBY laid on the table the Sixth Report of the Commissioners on Criminal Law, and the Ninth Report of the Board of Public Works in Ireland. The Earl of RADNOR presented petitions, praying for the abolition of Church• rates. from several places.— Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 17. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual time. The Leverington Inclosure Bill was read a third time, and passed, on the motion of Mr. YORKE. Sir C. GREY presented a petition from North Shields against the Newcastle-upon-Tyne Improvement Bill. The South Metropolitan Gas Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. LOUGH FOYLE DRAINAGE BILL. Sir M. WOOD moved the second reading of the Lough Foyle Drtiiname Bill. Captairi JONES opposed the second reading of the Bill, on the ground that there was already a Bill before the House which would answer every purpose . contem plated by the present measure. Sir M. WOOD defended the Bill. He was surprised at the Hon. Member's opposing the measure, as it was his own proposition. Mr. B. WOOD felt bound, in justice to the Hon. Member opposite (Captain Jones) to state that there had been one petition presented against the measure. Colonel CONOLLY asserted that the Bill now be fore the House was not the Bill that had been intro duced by his Hon. Friend (Captain Jones). He had been instructed by his constituents to oppose the measure, on the ground that it would release the original parties from their engagements, and would substitute a stock jobbing arrangement that would not be satisfactory to them. After a short conversation, Sir M. WOOD proposed to withdraw the motion for the second reading, but this was resisted. Strangers were ordered, to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— For the second reading .. . ................... 58 Against it ............... ..................... 78 Majority against the 8i11............ —2O On our return to the gallery we found Mr. BRISCOE on his legs. He' assured the House that he had no knowledge whatever of "the irregUlarity that had taken place connected with the measure. He hoped the House would allow a new Bill to be introdUced that day week. Colonel °le Ireland to endeavour to throw out th e Bil l. He had no doubt whatever that fraud had been committ e d ; and OHNeOLhLadY been w-ould requested objee by all parties in t to any p ropos i t i on • of the kind.l C although he did not impute a knowledge of that fraud to any Hon. Member of that HouSe,it Was th e i r d uty t o ascertain, if possible, where i t originated. On the motion of Mr. KEMBLE; the amendments to the Hawkhurst Junction .Road Bill were considered, and. the Report received. . On the motion of Sir. T. FREMANTLE, the. Great Horwood Inclosure Bill was read :a third time and passed. CHURCH EXTENSION. Sir R. INGLIS postponed his motion with respect to Church Extension till after Whitsuntide. Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD gave notice that he should, in Committee on the Poor-law Bill, move certain clauses With 'respect to medical assistance. The Birmingham and Hayley-road Bill was read a third time and passed. SUGAR DUTIES. Lord J. RUSSELL having moved the Order of the Day for renewing the adjourned debate, Mr. WYNNE expressed a hope that, considering that was the - ,:seventh night the question had been discussed, the Noble Lord would allow them to proceed to a divi sion. —(Great laughter.) He felt that the understand ing which he asked for was not an unusual one, that the debate should not be again adjourned, but that they shou7d be allowed to proceed to a division. If the Hon. Memb( r for Salford, who took such great care of their health, would for that night refrain from moving the adjourn ment, and allow them to proceed to a division, it would greatly accommodate the House, and tend to the dispatch of public business.—(Hear, hear.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that he had no wish to protract the de bate unnecessarily ; but while there were Hon. Members in the House who represented constituencies deeply inte rested in the question—(Lond cries of " Hear, hear ") he should take no steps to prevent them expressing their opinions on the subject. Mr. BROTHER .120 N said that if it was the wish of the House to come to a division, he certainly should not interpose, but there were more than a dozen Gentle men on his side of the House who were anxious to speak on the subject.—(Cries of " Oh, oh.") Mr. HUME presented a petition from the inhabitants of King's-Lynn approving . of the Ministerial measure for the reduction of the duties on corn, sugar, and timber —also petitions from 50 agriculturists of Barton and Humber, praying that all taxes on food might be removed ; from 400 inhabitants of Bathgate, for the revoval of all restrictions on trade ; and from 285 inhabitants Of a parish in Forfarshire, for a total repeal of the Corn-laws, and an equalization of the import duties. I'he Hon. Gentleman also presented several petitions from Uxbridge, Denham, Killingdon, Rickmansworth, and other places in Middlesex, generally to the same affect. . • _ Mr. WILBRAHAM presented a petition from Lanca shire, praying the House to institute an inquiry into the best mode of protecting the landed interest. Mr. HODGSON presented several petitions from Kent against any alteration in the Corn-laws. Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition signed by 1%255 inhabitants of Salford, praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Air. QUOTE presented petitions from the metro polis to the same effect, and a petition from the City jf London, agreed to at a public meeting, praying for a mitigation of the import duties, and the adoption of the commercial measures of the Ministry. Mr. MACAULAY presented a petition from Edin, burgh, in favour of the commercial measures of the Government. • Mr. WARD presented several petitions from the trades of Sheffield to the same effect. Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE presented petitions from Brad ford, and other places, praying for a repeal of the Corn laws. and a revision of the import duties. Mr. Alderman HUMPHERY presented a petition from the parish of St. Saviour's, in Southwark, to the same effect. Mr. LANGDALE presented a petition from a place i i the West Riding of Yorkshire, with a similar prayer. Lord POWERSCOURT presented a petition from the Corporation of Bath (as we understood) in favour of the commercial policy of the Government.—(" Hear, hear," on the Ministerial benches.) The Noble Lord begged leave to add, that out of a Corporation of fifty-six, there were but twenty-six present when the petition was agreed to. Mr. HEATHCOTE presented a petition against any alteration in the Corn-laws. Sir 11. FLEETWOOD presented a petition signed by 1,500 inhabitants of Preston, which represented that there were now upwards of 1,200 empty houses in that town, and praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Also one signed by 5,000 females in the same town, and with a similar prayer. Mr. B. WOOD presented a petition from a public meeting held in the Town-hall of Southwark, praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Sir I]. FILMER presented a petition from Maidstone and another pl - lee, against any alteration in the Corn laws. Mr. BROADLEY presented a petition to the same effect. Mr. P. AINSWORTH presented a petition, signed by 15,000 inhabitants of Bolton, praying for a speedy abo lition of the Corn-laws. Mr. INGHAM presented a petition from South Shields against any alteration in the timber duties. Sir DE LACY EVANS presented petitions from various parishes in Westminster, from Bethnal-green, from Whitechapel, from Hackney, from Saffron-hill, from Shoreditch, and from various other parishes in the county of Middlesex, in favour of the Ministerial pro- Position, and praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Colonel SALWEY presented apetition from Colnbrook Dale signed by 570 persons, praying for the abolitiOn of the-Corn-laws ; also a petition from Wenlock, stating that the present deficient supply of food was a fruitful source• of disease, and praying for a total repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. OSWALD presented a petition from Glasgow, praying for a total repeal of the Corn-laws, and for a re vision of the Cuitoms.Duties. Mr. DENNISTOUN presented thirty-nine petitions. one of which was signed by 6,000 persons, praying for a total repeal of- the Corn-laws, and a revision of the Im port Duties._ Sir B. HALL presented a petition from Marylebone, praying for a total repeal of the Corn-laws. - kr.iIIAINES pres - ented a petition from Leeds in fa vour of the Ministerial measure. Mr. VILLIERS presented petitions from various places in Lancashire, praying for a repeal of the Corn laws ; also a petition signed by 1,133 working men of Lewes, repudiating the idea that wages rose with the rise in the price of corn, stating that their wages had not risen during the last three years—(Hear, hear)—and praying for a total repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. M. PHILIPS presented petitions in favour of the measures proposed by her Majesty's Ministers, from several parts of Manchester. Mr. Slaney presented similar petitions from Shrews bury ; General Johnson from Lincoln ; Mr. Thornely from Tunstall ; Sir George Staunton from Portsmouth ; and Mr. C. Buller from Stone. ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the Order of the Day, for resuming the Adjourned Debate being read, Sir C. GREY proceeded to address the House amid considerable noise, which prevented the commencement of his observations from reaching the gallery. The Hon. Baronet was understood to say, that it appeared to him, that on the present all-important question the proceed ings in which they were engaged did not place them in a very advantageous position in the eyes of the people of the United Kingdom, or in those of the world. These pro ceedings had a tendency in their consequences which were not only inconvenient, but dangerous. On the 7th of May the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee of Ways and Means had been moved. That was a motion which he believed no one would deny must be acceded to almost immediately, and if the present Chancellor of the Exchequer were to abandon his place, and any Gentleman on the Opposition side of the House was to be placed in that situation, that motion would be the very first which would be brought forward. What, then, was the ground upon which so necessary a question was opposed ? What necessity was there for gentlemen on the opposite side to take the course that they did ? That motion stood on the papers of the House. It was a motion which would be proposed even by the Members of the Opposition themselves. 'Under the circumstances of the case, the House had a right to expect that the amendment of the Noble Lord would propose some practical object, and some measure equally important with that of the Go vernment. The amendment merely stated that the House would not accede to any alteration of the sugar duties, and that for two reasons. It was alleged in the first place that the example we had set in attempting the abolition of slaves had not yet been brought forward by othertatiors,.and that it would be improper, on our part, to recede from the course we had taken ; and, -in the second place, it was said that there. was now a sufficient supply of sugar from our own colonies for the ensuingjyear. Now that latter " assumption was flatly, plainly, and positively contradicted by the five agents from the West India co lonies, who had signed a paper laid before the House on Friday, remonstrating against the measure of the Govern ment. In the next place, he did not think that the House would be justified, from the alleged encourage ment to the slave trade, to refuse the sugar of other countries under the present exigencies of the State. On these grounds he.clid not understand on what princi ple the amendment of the Noble Lord could be sup ported—(Hear, hear)—and he believed that the party on the other side, whenever they attained power, would wish that amendment as speedily as possible to be buried in oblivion.—(Hear, hear.) The grounds upon which it was supported were not adopted by many Gentlemen on the other side. The Hon. Member for the University of Oxford repudiated it ; he said he would not admit any foreign sugar until slavery should be every where abo lished, while the Hon. Member for Antriin said that no thing could save the West Indians from ruin, but a pro, hibiting duty. The Hon. Member for Beverley had ap peared there as the organ of the Directors of the East India Company, and he must say that, recollecting how recently they had reprobated the monopolizing spirit of the West Indian body which opposed the Indies being placed upon a commercial equality with themselves, he thought it was not creditable to them, the moment they had obtained the concessions they required, to turn round and try to prevent foreign nations, not from being with themselves, hut fi , oni reap ingplaced upon an equality the advantage which might accrue from a removal of absolute prohibition, so that they might enter the field of competition. On that side of the House the amend. men t would be supported by gentlemen dlt&ring from the purposes of it on almost every other point, so that the majority, if majority there were, would be composed of the most heterogeneous materials. The Noble Lord the Member for South Lancashire, and the lion, her for Kilmarnock, agreed I in principle With the Chan cellor of the Exchequer, and seemed to imagine that they might perhaps be called on to support, ere long, a so mewhat similar proposition; while the Noble L or d the . Member for South Lancashire Field anger W IP} eifieepr tion to the general principle, U n d er these oiroumstanoes he hoped the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tam worth would, during the course of the debate, state ex nliei tly the principle with which the principl e a d vocate d by the Chancellor of the Exchequer was to be met. Before that took place, lie was gliNitons to site, fox the satisfaction of his own constituency, the grounds on which' he assented, heart and "sdul, to the financial men, s ures proposed by the Chancellor of the Zxcheluor• , England had now been brought to a point at which she must take the lead of all commercial enterprises in the world ; and such a position was not to be occupied with out great deeds and great exertions. England had had to do so ; she had had to put down. civil war in Canada, and she had . hardly done that when she had to take up arms i n th e I n di es , and, since then, she had been called upon, in China, to resent . injuries and outrages which, if permitted, would render it impossible for her to maintain . her commerce, Even so recently as the last autumn she hid had to uphold . the Turkish empire, Which wni,'aiTt.hiti l time almost tot tering to its fall. .The Chancellor .of the _Exchequer found a deficit of two millions in the revenue, and pro posed a remedy with respect la which .gentlemen on the opposite sid e o f th e H ou se ' complained of being takenl by surprise.—(Hear, heart) He (Sir Charles Grey) could not see the reasonableness of such a complaint. There were no grounds whatever for the feigned surprise of those Gentlemen opposite, with re spect to this subject. He wished also to observe that it was a fallacy to suppose that the consumer paid the whole of the impart duty. He, believed that it would be found that the duties impoSed upon the importation of any. article were deducted eVentnally from the rent. At first it might be paid by the consumer, but eventu ally the consumer lessened his consumption of the taxed article, and substituted some untaxed article in its place, and then the producer would go to his landlord, and say, while this impost continues it is impossible that I can pay the rent I have been in the habit of doing, and I :nust have a reduction in my rent accordingly. He was convinced that the principle was a sound one, and it would become a matter of most important consideration when they came to the question of the Corn-laws. Here were three quarters of the world ready to give them riches in abundance, and they were asked to give a cold denial. He was surprised that many interests he could mention had not requested Members of that House to ad vocate the cause with respect to the fund-holder. What he would propose was to make the •whole world pay the in terest of that debt which he looked upon as little less than a mortgage of th e land-holder of the country. Par ties might pledge their property and their land, but they could not pledge the'property which was procured by the sweat of the labourer's brow. He was sorry to observe the manner in which the measure proposed by her Ma jesty's Ministers had been met in that House, as he could not but look with fear on the situation in which the country would be placed if that measure was not Adopted. They had been told that there would be a dis solution if the proposition was not carried ; but a disso lution could notitake place at the present moment in consequence of the measures that must yet be carried. With respect to the opposition to . the proposition he confessed that he had no conception upon what grounds it was based, because the other side could not come into power, supposing they succeeded in defeating her Ma jesty's Ministers. But supposing the Right Hon. Gen tleman opposite should succeed to power to-morrow, it would go forth to the world that no ground whatever had been shown for the proposition of the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool. Mr. SMIMIE supported the motion of the Noble Lord, the Member for Liverpool. He admitted that the measure that had been proposed by her Majesty's Go vernment would be a benefit to the .consumer and to the foreign merchant.—(Hear, hear.) He thought, however, that if the proposition was carried, the detriment which it would cause to the national honour and to the colonies would more than counterbalance any benefit that might be derived by the consumer. _ Mr. AIN'SWORTH said that as allusion had been made to the distress of the borough which he repre sented, he trusted the House would allow him to state the reasons why he should support the proposition of her Majesty's Government. The Noble Lord had rather under than over-rated the distresS that existed in Bolton. For his own part, he had never witnessed such scenes of misery as had taken place there. The cause of that dis tress was to be attributed to the manner in which the fo reign trade of the country was crippled. He would not now go into the question of slavery, because he thought that question had been answered by the Noble Lord the Member for Northumberland and the Right Hon. Baro net the Member for Devonport, but he must refer to the trade with Brazil, as he thought the trade with that country had been carried on in a most unfair manner. He was sorry that his HOn. Friend, the Member for New ark, who was not now in the House, had asked such a question as this : of what use would it he to the poor weavers of Bolton, that sugar should be Is. 6d. per cwt. cheaper ? His answer was, that it would be.of great use to ' them to have new: markets , .Tpened for, their labour. (Hear, hear.) It . would' give the employment, for want of which so much distress was suffered at this moment in every manufacturing borough in the kingdom.—(Hear.) It was the duty of every representative of those boroughs to support her Majesty's Government in the wise and liberal course which alone was calculated to relieve that distress, and to extend our relations with foreign coun tries.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HODGES was sorry that the three questions of sugar, corn, and coffee, had been brought forward toge ther, as it was not necessary that gentlemen who sup ported one should approve of all three. The sugar ques tion had been already . so ably argued,'that he would not now allude to it. He was prepared tfr support the mea sure respecting the timber duties, but 1w thought that a low duty on corn would be the same in effect as no duty at all, and would ruin the assiietiltimal interest of this country. It would have the effect. of transferring to the shores of the Baltic the capital at present engaged in the cultivation of the land in this country. He would op pose the preposition of her Majesty's Government. Mr. TRIMER, who was for the most part inaudible was understood to support the motion of Lord Sandon. Mr. ROCHE complained of the uncertainty and speculation which the present system of Corn-laws gave rise to, the result of which was, that when there was a scarcity of corn in that country, it was almost impossible to procure it from abroad. He thought a fixed duty would prevent the ruinous fluctuations which were so frequently taking place in the price of that commodity. Under the present system, no interest was safe for a single moment. It appeared to him that the proposed reduction of the duty on foreign sugar would, instead of encouraging, tend materially to put an end to the abomi nations of slavery and the slave trade. He had the greatest abhorrence of slavery, and that was one of the strongest motives with him for supporting the present proposition. He took it for granted, that from the long opposition her Majesty's 'Government had given to slavery, that they had well considered what would be the operation of the present measure. He thought very little of the consistency and humanity of those Hon. Gentlemen who objected to the introduction of foreign sugar while they gave the most liberal en couragement to slave-grown tobacco and cotton. It was said that her Majesty's Government had staked their political existence upon the present measures. In that they. had acted wisely, for in his opinion they were cal culated to prove highly conducive to the development of the resources of the country, to the development of her commerce, and to the comforts of the people.—(Loud cheers.) Mr. TUFNELL said the Noble Lord opposite could only count upon the support of the agriculturists on his (Mr. Tuffnell's) side of the House, on the prin ciple that in resisting the attack upon one monopoly, they were supporting that in which they were peculi arly interested. He should'support the proposition of her Majesty's Government. Mr. G. H. CAVENDISH said the question before the House was whether they were to deprive the agricultural interests of the protection they had for so long a period enjoyed. In voting against the amendment of the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool, and for going into Committee upon the propositions brought forward by the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, he did not consider himself as at all pledged to vote for this or that fixed duty. That was not the time to enter into details, and it was a question with him whether the proposed re duction in the corn duties should not be spread over a certain number of years. No one was more averse to great and sudden changes than himself, but he could nut look at the great, deficiency in the revenue, without giv ing his support to measures which he thought were cat. ciliated to meet that deficiency without the imposition of additional' taxes, and thereby giving a freer and wider scope to the industry and resources of the people. Captain MATHEW said that he was a member of the WeSl Indian body, and however prejudicial to Th e interests of that body the abolition of the Sitlye system was, he had notwithstanding voted for that mettsure be cause of its consonance with the cause of humanity. A great revolution in the afFairs of' the West Indian planters must necessarily he the result of that measure, to IN:Lieit was to be added the effect of 'two bad seasons, gad it was at such a period the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) chose to bring forward a measure the upshot of which must be ruinous to the planters. He knew not whether the House, but he was sure that the country, was stisfied (with the resolution of the Noble- Lord, (Sandon). He was convinced that the natural ih . ubsy . between the East cif sugar to this t6untry withOO Any and the West Indies would suifielent to furnish an tgatiofinz:oarndi afomreeiagstui measure adequate supply P b rain. Ministers such ie (Lt r i o te m p . 4 tl4i se i i i i7, which was calculated to rivet the chairs of he was i IN ink! at to think th at t h © a b olition of th "t 4 stem had ' been taken up for merely • partizan purposes, Mr. ! Boyle Roach, a celebrated .Irish Member,who N vas probably heard of by many Hon. Cused on. „ T eat emen, to say, that the only wy to avoid danger was to meet it • plump. The &tap ord (Lord John Russell) seemed to adopt that maxim, and charged Hon. Gentlemen on that (the Conservative) side of the House, with factiOuS and party purposes in the course they thought fit to itd;opt' on the present occasion. The Noble Lord's nrssaments—that respecting cheap sugar, and that referring to the de, , ficit in the revenue—were very plausible, The Noble Lord says, we entered office with 0: surplus in the revenue, we leave it with a deficit—we dare you to succeed us. What he would ask, had produced thai deficit ? When Goverment introduced the P.oo=oftive scheme, they were warned of its uselessness, and of the difficulties so which it would bring tilers, yet they olsted, and the present deficit was the result. At a late general meeting of the Colonial Society, of which he (Captain Mathew) was a member, and to which the Master of the Ordnance had the other night referral, there was but one opinion among the gentlenieg present, who were of all political parties, as to ths course now adopted by Government, and tho opinion was, that the British colonies were now selected as a sacrifice to make up tin Opticit in the revenue, beefing) they were unrepresented in that House—because X had no votes to give at the hustin g s. He felt confident that the wen. Slire would be discartled la a large nisjority, and to th e disgrace of having trough forward sucha measure the CictVellitnent would add the disgrace of having as in it. Sir BENJAMIN HALL felt that it was quite impo l , sible at that advanced stage of the debate, 0 . w a y i upice any new argument calculated to arrest the atte n ti on of the House. He was not one a iliose who thought that Hon. Gentlemen oppoiffe were not at libert— to stp.Pilss, the plan of - Government No l l"N' t siatina the course they meant " pursue themselves. They had not answered t'ae,question` them as to what that conis4 vale& be, and h put to e vinced the reeon- Mit WAS because the only' alt s , tix alt - -lttke fur MORNING EDITION. meeting the present financial difficulties that they could adopt was a direct taxation of real property. The Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) was right in not adopting that course ; but yet if he did be would be at liberty to ask the co-operation of lion. G en tl emen opposite, as they had on similar occasions as the present adopted such a course. With respect to the proposition which Ministers had laid before the House, he trusted they would act with firmness and decision. If they were defeated (as he feared they would) in the present instance, lie -trusted they would not separate without bringing before.' the conside . ration of the House that other g rea t and important ques tion which many out of that House desired to st'f? again • discussed within its walls—he meant the question of the Corn-laws. He hoped they would follow -up that great proposition, and appeal to the sense of the country.—(Ministerial cheers, answered .by ironical cheers from the Opposition)—that they would give the country an opportunity of - judging and .of exhibiting its judgment as to whether the proposition was for the benefit of the people iv eat, Mr. snturr conceived that the right of importirtg any commodity, from whatever country they chew, which was granted to the West Indian merchants, was not a boon but an act of justice, and on the <atne prin ciple it was, in his mind, but justice to the people of this country to allow sugar to be imported from every quarter of the globe. It had been said that by admitting foreign sugar we should promote slavery abroad. This wasein important question ; but in discussing it we must take the matter as a whole, and go into general principles.—(Hear, hear.) This, however, was refused by lion. Gentlemen on the other side, who appeared to have no objection to the introduction of any article of slave produce but' sugar. They were bound, if they had any regard to consistency, —if they did not take measures fin- the entire prohibi tion of all other slave-grown commoditiesat least to take measures for their gradual exclusion; and not only so, but they ought to pass a non-importation Act, for every bale of British goods imported into. the Brazils had, according to the principles of Hon. Gentlemen, a tendency to increase slavery abroad; Therefore, it they relied in full consciousness on the strength of their argu ment, they must carry it out. much further, and cut off the produce of ell 'nations -where slavery exists, in Order to compel them to abandon that atrocious system. He believed so - far from such a course lead;ng to such results it would have the opposite - effect, and only excite feelings of irritation in the minds of the people of that country, not only against ouieelves, but against the principles it was our object to impress upon them. He believed this object was to be attained by per suasive, and not by coercive measures,. but, above rill, ny showing them that, in carrying into of these princi ples of justice and humanity, we had been at the sam e time but consulting our own interests.— (Hear, hear.) On these grounds, and looking at the question of-slavery alone, lie could feel no hesitation in supporting her Ma jesty's Government on the present occasion. `Ph - ewer-es. one class of opponents whose conduct had astonished him not-tr little, and that was the West Indiaplanters. When he considered how l ong they had resisted not only the abolition of th e s l ave t ra d e , but of slavery itself, he must say it was with great astonishment he heard them come forward and charge the Noble Loiel with encouraging slavery.—(Cheers.) Were he to express his feelings on the subject as strongly as he entertained them, he feared he might be tempted to use languege that would nut be strictly parliamentary.—(Cheers,) lie would challenge them with hypocrisy ; but when lie considered that the present was the first time he had heard of these professions, he thought no sufficient case-had been made out on the ground of these m e ia- aa ... sions to refuse relief to a suffering people.----(llear, hear.) .He only 'wished to add that he felt the greatest satis faction : at the general measu re propPkti by her Mee jesty's Government, and he was sure they would be re ceived with like satisfaction by the people of the country. He was rejoiced that the Noble Lord hel _taken in hand the great and difficult question of the Corn-laws,. and, above all, that lie had alvea up the system of a sliding duty, which lie believed was fonuded in fraud and delusion. He thought that the 'Hon. Member for West Kent vans wrong in supposing that it was he business of Ilutt House to deterthine what the price of corn should he, Government on this sea-kir/et had The great error of the been, in not leavinzthis to be determined by the thrillers anti time *elle were - most interested. The noll.Xteralrer for Surrey had objected to the proposed systerti, •017.'ae count of its uncertainty, lint this was the great 'oom plaint against the present Corn-laws, that one... emelt , of the unsteady price they could not be paid ;or in manu factured goods, anti this oceasienally I,:ift: to a drain of bullion and a derangement of tiie currency No argu ment on- this subject had more tarengthened his convic tion than this. He thanked the Government tar having taken up the question In the manner they had (blue, and in putting out of the way all minor considerations, and he was sure that in doing • so he would receive the sup port of the great mijovity of the people of the country, to which he believed they were justly entitled.—(Cheers.) Mr, MAltii. PHILIPS said that elthough the Hon, Member for Newark (Mr. Gladstone) had said that many would give their support to her Majesty's Ministers with doubting 111410 A and quailing hearts, he rose to give his vote n it the,iproeent., fweasion without such feelings, eith er with reference to himself or those he had thq honour to represent. On the contrary, ho had never felt greutee confidaneteethan he Amid, do, in giving hist vote on the Vrtisent , .oetaiitm, for he believed there ex- Wed the most perfect unanimity of :feeling between him self and his coristitnents. with respeet to the prOpOsitlon of her Majesty's (lovernment. e -(II;ar, hear.) If any constitnellUY dittinguiehed itself with reference to mho abolition of shivery,' it was that which he had the. honour to represent, and he had therefore felt. the greatest pleasure in receiving from the Secre tary of the . Anti-Slavery . Society in. Manehester, within the last day or two, n statement that only two in dividuals cenneeted with that body had the slightest hesitation in coming forward and declaring their tulhe &ion to the proposition of the Government:—(Hear, hear.) He dm - lighten+ a speech its that of the. Hon, 'Member for the TowerHanileta (Or. Lu s hi ng t on ). was , ealctillited to do great injury. The lion. Member .11nd said, that lie lied not the slightest doubt that the people of this, country would prefer a dinner of herbs to the stalled o so prof fered to them. He thought the lion. and Learned Mem ber, in making. that statement, had certainly outsteppeil all proper and fair estimation of the feelings 'of the operatives of this country. - He (Mr. M. Philips) did nut deny that these individuals sympathised with th e negroes; he believed th e y did so f ar more than those who more loudly e e4ressed their sympathy:---(hear, hear.) But as regarded these unfortunate operatives, he thought it was almost insulting their feelings to talk of their pre-, ferring a (limier of herbs. They had dined on them to e long ; with them it was no matter of choice 'rat of necessity,—(llear.) And when he was among his own constitute - Its, many of whoni he saw toiling from mor n i ng to night, anxious, by the honest industry, to gain a live lihood for their families, -he .did sympathise most deeply with them.—,-(Hear, hear.) With `regard t o our trade wi th the Braails, he believed at this moment it amounted t 01,00,000/., and the importened-ofits . continuance would therefore net -be disputed by'any except by those who carried out their sympathetic feelings. Without refer ence to praetieal experience, lie (Mr. M. Philips) had had souse oxperienee in the trade - ro'the'Brazils, when he fleet entered in cernmercial life, and he stated with pride them throughout a long course of tears they had never supplied articles to thatcountey that would go indirectly into the .Atrican trade, It appeared by '.'ne official returns that the value of our export,, in the present year was ,en 3,000/. In his opinion.. it was far larger ; but flits was quite sufficient for his "purpose, for it would thus he fiaind that upwards of 2,000,0001., repeeeenting industry by the articles of. hard ware, cotton, dud it-on, were exported to this country. Now, what was the position of the trade at the present moment ? it had been curried on for years, aud they fled liever before heard a work against if. Our seer chants had beeu obliged to give long credit to thc'ener chants of the Illettils, as in all other parts Of - the world, and this' had enabled them to complete their plantations. It hilght be said they, lent their capital to be employed in the slave trade. slut would any one say they could put down a of this description - ?lThiit would b e the Con seil .tualke att em pti ng to put an elni to such a trade as - trils - t - 'Those - enga g ed in the home trade would lielhfown °Mt employment,' anti would be obliged to resort to the poor-house forrelief ; a tax would fall in consequence upon the machinery, which, instead of being able to com pete with the, other nations of the world, would ehos be exclndi4i from competition. Let them look A t :the im fsirtance of the trade with reference to another question; in what positien would they be placed hi 184'.1; - in seek ing a continuance of the treaty with Brazil . ? Was this a 111£1,ttk, of no importance to the shipping interest of this c!eantev ? In 1839 not a ship could find a retu .'''' c ' ar g () to the co un t r y f ront w h ence i t came . It 'e atruc ~se wea °--'mnconstrou. sels touched at many ports, but it did . not, fullote that they would get a. cargo. This WlB interest t , otalition fora large portion of The shipping;, '9f.i the votuary it they should not the of renewal of they the country to bo placed in. Then lx,kabaitettTi, negotiate, ?SO Alto Brazilian Government for . enjoyed. Ile said tla a ceeetemeecial treaty we at present tlme reins atintteehoulerun no risk of being ruined. It was the in this ce+uutr~' ro t t u i l l j e ; e " ( . . h ar u e 1 i t ' h i a d t important t"tahlb's-re.alp.illicalrhten:/)ttff 'teems if he had not drawn :met)- , that ty trade. Ho tl-I,l:llfielittniotulett t:1 ; 1 promote,onufg(o)etsrt-heoarn,v have n d d i sicn,hcarre tg:et the question. but his dut%. to his c on,tt _ ti,ai to phis import:int subject. He was sure there went ' those who required our sympathies. at home, and he eon ntlttil,-6nr,lia.sh7ei3allacitte'sbt)rlsnl,Aridir fitemrsvtut().:dinifltteteestolptit.hrttetucehseedencisffi(t,nveiN°en'uhtieirtC;hs:. theiiol enterprisedl gi a they had had the by auj miirtingr the manliness of carrying the princip/Le u 0 1` 'free trade in -a manner th at would give employeeentto those whn were anxious t o avail themselves of it. H e had often been solicited by the hand-loom weavers i money i t th a n i t vi li sti o b ze n , ol o f Lancashire to bring not to t t o h(;i d r op fa t v s o t uA a H s e te h p ad . b a always forward a Vote of a. grant of ut felt, that if some remedy were not devised b'v a new s..ystem' of legislature as regarded the necessaries of life, such a grant wonld become indispensable. They had heard on various occasions that it was the intention of the petemoters of the New Poor-law to drive the people to use a coarser deseription of food, He had always denied that stetenient, and had held it to be a libel I.l ' CkV. the ; but he was persuaded that the rese:it in questi on wou ld follow from t h e po li cy o f those 'who would maintain existing monopolies. Ther;ayi'of meeting time eerenses of the country by :mewed taxation )ted already been tried, and 'earl com plea* failed. It -vas now time to resort to II different course. he trade of Enela :id had been de clining of late e ars. and he was confi ..tent that this state of woulil become irremedirAole if existing restric "'fella-were continued, and th 4,16 Hon. Gentleman oppo site the evil m ight be fairly att r ib uted. fi r W - B . W. - ARRON opposed the resolution of the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool ,for six distinct reasons.—(A lau g h. ) lie opposed it first, because be thought, however paradOxical it might appear, that it would tend to perpetuate slavery in every country he ar st ell