The Sun. — London, England, 1819-02-05 00:00:00

es . of tier.") t till t t.: ai'" lli Ile s4t.T'i' .ii[a's .O'i4. it 'very limited t ifed lage•arriting those in e hl eirt to these titua . ln4B . Ile was infortried that for :he inoSt part e lu ue salaty wt- as no more than equal to halt the, • tilt it hents 'of se iCh 5 i n i at i wts. He must also :call House attention of the otesc to the diff erence Z l h 3 ery e d- in providing for the servant's. of the li " "'en Consort', as distinguished from th ose o f t h e • I, ng• All the females in the - service of the'Qneen ;a Unifo rmly received' sc h pensions, but - th ere III ." ti ua instanc e of any such'' to. the- . servants of '' e Ki ng'. It ''vas intend e d th at suitable provi , 'lun Should b e made for the Qteen's servants nut L of tile fu nds which had been mentioned. The pub ; ' le would oft oerse suffer no injury by this arrange-, l i i e t, nor iiiileed• by any other iricludetl'in this plan. • teunotily was a thief' object tinder the eyes of his ,".iesty's Government, ; lute taking - care, ' at the same t that there Shiitild appear - no diminution of th e , i . , : el ;'`. l nlly and splendour 'necessarily attached to all- lo yal Family. (H ear 1 )--The new- arrange ,l,ntts about to be submitted to Pailiarnent, of '0 1 , 1 ,; c . b his Lordship now merely gave the general th e - . . v . lne s, woithl include a considerable nuttiber of th; l'ing's servants, nearly one-third. Many Of a ti - d 'ervants at Windsor belonged to the Queen,. fre,,... 4 _: t, Property speaking°, to the . King , . p. although il 7 ( ! t il 11tly in attendance upon :h i s' M a jesty. 3e- Ili, L o reduction of the - servants how no ti ce d ? itst y 4 a rti slliP. meant 'those who Were in her Mae . "114,.. Q - establishment at , her death—there - wee ' Lin ty p o '' lt o had for years been dot of 11 , 1, 0 itad be en - pensioned by her Majesty, !in . d , t it) e(4 ""'fieently in obedience to' the dispicst eltill,4:l4. their Et oval Mistress, must also 'be- i . nc• fi t ter t i ll the general provision . . the To suffer Ileeil- t ie s of persons,' whose services 'had kii i , 'llroved of by' our gracious Queen, . to • I . e-: 0 44 i /7 ' 44 0m a suitable - provisiOn 'for their' (.le ciPle k Years, would be a violation of every pm ; li te 111,4' „justice and, humanity,• an&con trary :to i n tle jue 'llly of their Majesties, always ard '!' esl.'ilrevratd flt: domestic fi delityl—(Heal';.htear_; 1 , 1 ' 1 ( 1,,.. -s t 413 Lordship could not-therefore ailow er ibit - 'lli properly discharged -his' (ay,- had t h e . to }'ass , 1 " 'llls Tart. of the late.establishmen l l 'IN, ' 411 ' ic ed.--(l.lear, hear !)—But the same, b -l ' 2et. ' , 4 , 3 er ', 3.4ll tedro her, Majesty, by the Act of - te ' k dlatie atn le, 'trovision for those who had 1) 1 1 i3 11 )),, I , )4t 411 1 the . P st p l eratinuated list of her esta ut.slife4,t• .-,i'Vere I bis. Majesty in .that . state the it 'l' ll ; "Y Which lie could form a judgment of A 'l' thellieota „„ w in contemplation; for the long lti l I: it ilfill services o f. t n e pet sons now described," (It . "`"Yal f , ~ n• with 'the' spt,sit. teungs would play , in uniso-' t w ._, l. 'ti e Q 'Wu o f (lame, who :mere netw4lllntsted i Int -. ' s vet i , c l Ol l ( , f ' ll leut of theueountry. .-Iti th,e...r.e,_ll_l,:l.nees . } l '''). tit ''' , N lit 'etionate-attareliment to -the!: NI 3 to -r t g i i ";.ttuyttl munificence was never - lsitown' . l ';' l 't 4 t ' , (l l'Y toortsittielstparsiiirotty. .111 conformity, " ) 11. 4 1 °-., IQ ine , Act,ot.T.arliament , . and to toe It Y ' ll Wil l , the present Ad.irinistrhtion ' ll' '''' , e ll "ult :-, f 1812, his Majesty's Privy had acted,, i ter , 1, 41 bi,, •1. , o 1 N., 41,,i tt ,- il ethiret and elearly..descrihed as- TI e King's Privy I I 't 1 1 , , 3 private property. i '° : l lt i :'' a lso been tlescribeti by , la w in a similar i tz. 4 ( \ct . 1 , 11 ;e, Commissioners,, in Consequetice . o s l- It' t l' '' '' P a'tliametit, , dieeeted that atty - 8 . m7 4 1 i ' ` B t' t '"l p- . , %num he added.to. their Aa r?f, /,,, Pri, ,l "t'.e. ' s % twirl therefore, Ilti a , ':' , I: t i l ''' P ro P, e ,' t ',Y . ' i . kbeen .0 ppro ll/fi'ny" il l t rlty's. rtivy utirse hit to the 1 1::'''0/, m 'e. like 'warner. • :;With regard , I, '- i t lfs , - '' al 'xtrablte, for •anNi extra exrvose %%bich 4'. 4 ' l'4 °F k his &hies, y's person might incur, he 11,4,0tit.'ell:',.'.1.botta..t. the Hreas! . .,...•alerthe colile ',l,,i'''si• ' ' l, O Comnsti'leee - rvol- ,1 ( 1 )-ogee: to , the ( I, ;,:.''''i ju 1 1 , 1*/(144 . 1. 101 . Ali e tlityal Doke. , —( II e a h l , 11- "f4 44 1*1 ) - •••-•Th e: Noble:',Lorti, thinking- that , e li,',,' ~‘' 1 i :'' I' 1 , !.' il)ecl-tiie)iti t e n t i o n s. o P(io v, erilln e I i , 1 ,,,' iv, , ,, i "a•All ag 1 0 gOl into a further tietait.--- 1;, 4 ,; i'lltirsi.however, to answer any questions I t . ,'''" ~4,,i4,''' -ire,plit,tn •ii int, lettritegany , alssErdca f,''' ,' p''''"ll • ititultt• be. likely -to: prodoce-a c ,1.., •••.,i t „ e. lit, ' l f . e 14 Report of the , G•motitr.e . b . wa . a 'he:" '''Pi ' ,:',l "'us e ~. Hi s •Lordship tbeeetore simply , 4'l. 4tv l,;11 ) ,„:,1 ) „,. a tire :artangetneut,i -‘i''l. 144* . ' of , Connuittee of the l t, , e , ii( 4 , , 1 ointinel. t a. • _ !.ta , vng le IN ' .4te• purposeetot 14 tt 41 . ! , (biti„ ,-4 ge into cousiglermion, all(1 , 10 re p ort . :pe),,,, --1,4 1$ ?4,trq„„., Se ro ndly,.• to enable , bits 4 1 !4)1 i8 4 ii i,,,. 3 ''''''''tits, by . ftll'Act of Parliament, to ti e ,, ( :i ° ,; - Piau as wool& produce the.intended •"'.)1 1 (1- (11 the I'''' I • Establishment to the 1 , 11 , ti t no . s. tut sut /, I rliao i v vonosed. , :Übe. retinction w h onitl , 'llta ''''Y he . v 10 f , ,1 1-,,,, d snVio g Id I OS,OOOI. to the pri lic • 4'‘)(it)'' if wo uld,6o,,ritt - inimediate satin of I th tt . .rent 83,000.1_,(1,1 ear , hear, hear !),-,-- erst tutieoehnitirit .sivas - drighly gratifyieg to .1)..,e c ,- . lvid6 a i tt'who.form e ll the present servants 1 1 ";tev e t '''u. It would be no less gralitying, he v!'t, l i t e '''. ! fi t the House airiV t o't he' publrc. --- (lledr, :11i41„ cd' 4 --It wits ( ttorg.. glaVying to the ser all"lie trow it „; that they had been. thus - tar ti. ) N;O ti) ee eou , nlish -. with soceess such efforts 1 4) 4'411 41 1 '13 ' wt hlAili• detliteting front the desiitible I),Y*l, .i.t\r'.°‘',44•o4,•:snt-iatitl,, always .aceompaoy the t,'",te,fl"'lltv•-.-.(Hem'e,,,,liear, hear !).•-••I'lle ex -11:4-,i1, t cite IlTind boratlst'ablialittient might,z t here t 4 til re, be colii , telea.l cot toexeeed ...,i1,0•901 1 :. hiv I ' . Wili . ve'r; " i' . * ' 'aerate Pic, ' e - , 1- wet4rlttlee- and respect for the tita P'lly of : l,ll eir . alitiesties,gove,rned by..the 'li re i' p'il'e;thiPles 04 ino.tv'tletiged,,by the , law. 'of ti:ett d et c ttll.e Servants of the CroOti haul been 44:1u thei,l:''.l'ritnii-ex-periericed difficulties peen , te tte , , elltt,itiiin ;:.,they had foondeirraeteri of hr W ei l required CA con espouditlg ;teelit . ig to it :l ite o in the prineipleik,whiel4:ireve:Tequi,ite,to k t r ulttra l ' e , d 'sjiro eti, 42 I . .' .They Irad• Writ come -tylv,,itt. y...earliailient w,ittiout brat wei f ilting and bu,,t,tb." -';',!,litherating nport th e subject now before 1,1 1. ec c i ii :' (1 hall entleayoured to .adapt their plan k i'i tt a ,'TY, t" The-el'uitni of the, p ersons 'abided tcl'ule tirti:QYal Mess Age. Ville!) the COMlnittee i t ' °ta w „, • 1:-ePort,''':thi• Iloirse•Would 'be enabled I,olty.a 1•11:11'.COliCillSion tit the_coliduat:of Ilia :qa dh ii• ':'!'rv,tnts. The.Nohle Lord said, that it 'f' 'a lute, • . u,. 4, )tlo il t o Illoe, OW ,!he ariointinelit 0 111.t : ; ;i'c t i (qii . lni i'l'ee Should be.oll kVednesslay next, 'l' "oh ot r., • .• • . , er „ - . t . ; 4 it . Lieu:rig then- a t pott on, 41,•13- !1'.44 . 1 11e,, ' Ile ? 1. e. , . t r act, the names of such P i e 6 lt e , '' 6s "Is LOrdship proposed shnuld form ;;tlit.,l,l,ey, •, -, i C t .''''"'llizlc_e ; ,ahnoug whom %vcre Air. t, ) : , itt : ~, ,' , t ,,,' „ 1 , 1 : 'Hi 1411' it . 1,71 . , ' ll IA (i se Veral other Mein 4, .:li tz , , i ,' t hitt . fits Lordship coucluded by , 04„t ~ t ',.. i t - ( I, ia ds of the soject• be referi-ed . y t ••440,,1iitc,„ _ . , .1,4 0 ' ''PN (3, .VI, , ' • . .., ) tit. , le „ i t , • i-Lest CY, although he 'did not ul e , ,, ord, "e Irlioe. 1);,, now stared. by the Ytt rejoievil ti , at tile stated did !be' 0.- , P ,; i` w ere feel: (le Ser' i;; ,t? o I. 1,0, 11,g 11* el l i a r 4 • ,~~li~~ not a teed rtepriee the. Rtjysl °LI b* party .feeling and- merely'ldesironi of popu `t he tfigoity intl Spleridour due. to the British itaz ; .tm over, , ey he a to see the day wheel the truth Crown. So far as regarded e ver y ta ' m fa r t e.nd re- of the statement then made Teed been confessed spect sehieh oaght ateveys to be attached to our• by the Noble LOH himself. Derieg the health beloved Sovereign, the thn e M em b er thought of the king (hear 'officers had been in attendance that Pailiament was called upon to maintain. In on his MejestyOely nn rotate particular occasions 3 that view, no man could go farther than he they never now saw him at all, and yet they would ; and he evottid he rather culpably profuse I continued to , be paid the seleries mentioned. If than criminally parsimonious on such an occasion. these honourable epersons were now disposed to It was incumbent upon the House and upon the fill these places without salaries, hed nor the Noble public to act with the liberality peculiar to the Lord reason to itnagine thitt the generosity of British Nation on such an important enter- men, affecting such personal attachment and at gency. But while he professed his warmest at- fection fur their Reiyal alsster; was fully as ripe tachment to the Sover.-ign, he was called upon iu 1812 as 11 was now ? Though Jbe question of imperiously to discharge his (hay t o th e commis- the establishinuot for the Prince Ilegeet's house nityat large.—The Noble Lord's plan of eco- hold had her is argued in the House . , it lied been nosily, which be seemingly boasted of with every said by the Noble Lord; retain the lace Lards degree . of ,self s sufficiency, had not guise far and Groom s o f t h e lied -chatnber i end they Will enough to meet hii perfect concurrence. He consent to des the same duty at Carlton-house as would ask the Noble Lord, why the people were they have been accustomed to do at Windsor, in to be' liorthened with 16;0001. a year for his addition to their periodical duties at Windsor, Royal Highness the Duke of York ? Had his consisting merely in the attendance on the Coun- Royal Highness at this time not a sufficiency front cif, anti bringing into town a helletin of the state the public, that this unnecessary, addition, this of the. King's health. 11 appeared now that lin needless 'salary,' should 'he made to his income ? new adherents of the :present Ministry were to Healier not by these remarks' wish to detract from 'fill sip the places :which became vacant by an Isis Royal Highness's merits. ,They were great, arrangement, wherein, notwithstanding all the and deserved every remuneration which the pri,b- 'flourislaof affection , now used, he considered these lie or the HOttie enadisestow. But with every old servants of , Royalty very ill used. On the respect' - 'for his Royal 'Highness-4nd Nfr. Wel:- subject of the grant of ten thousand pounds'a leslevassured. the House no man could entertain year to the Duke of York, he certainly thou ht a higher opinion of his professional diligenee,nd the country ought.to bear all, the extra expenses capaeity—he could "snot help declaring, that entailed on his acceptance of that offige. But be More - ought :to `have•been done - for the public by should' remind the House, in the words of the the Noble Lord's plan of economy. In adverting Hon. Gentletnan opposite (Jr.) IVellesley), that ,to his Royal Highness's situation, be did not it Was their drity.to See what this allowance was mean to descend to the frivolous items of shit- 'for. In the arrangement made in - 1812,, this Bugs and pence but when thousands were added 10,0001. had beers granted to the Queen, prinCi to his Royal Highness's income,and thousands, the pally because, as - she was then declining in 'health, Hon. ,Alember believed, unnec e ssa r ily, it became and would of course b e numb at Buckingham - every_Member of Parliainent who bad any regard house, much expense would be incurred by her 'for his cOnstith4lits;whis felt for the British public - , travelling to and from Windsor. This he had to call upon - MiaNteaslor ah eXplanafihn . of their then thought too much, but he had assented conduct, or to give a direct and positive opposition to it HS a matter of delicacy.. He 'still continned to their measures. He did not, however, mean to of opinion 'that no man was in the eyes of the insit," - that the Noble Lord could not explain . Use country so acceptable as t h e R o y a l D u k e a ll u d e d csauseeof stichan eiperidithae. waOhat exPla- to ; and he should therefore make little objection nation which he wanted .Ministers to give ; and as to a grant of a few hundreds or even thousands be hoped that for . their 'own honour they would to reimburse him, provided it could be shown Condeidend to comply witli his reptest. He thought I what those expences were. Show me, said he, it-;extraordinary that . Mieisters `should not only any thing e connected with the comforts and con confer upon hiS Royal. Highness the custody of his veniencies, or even the childish gratifications Majesty's person, but bestow upon his. Royal often pectiliarly , agreeable to persons in this un- Highness 10,0001,' a year, for discharging a duty t happy situation, and I will freely Vote 50,000/. or to his Parent, so coos"rinant to his • feel- 500,000/. tOeffect such a purpose, but let the ob ings as' an affectionate son. But Ministers were jests be specifically pointed out, and let not our not_ iatisfied _with the new appoitament and liberality outstrip ~our regard to , frugality and new salary Conferred upon the Royal Duke— justice to our Constituents. The, several items tlieY'appeared 11156 to cOntioise Isis Royal Highness - } of the proposed Establishment made an aggre- In the iniportent office Of CoMmander-in-Chief.T ga t e of '50,0001. •annually, In his mind such Front his Royal Higuness's close affinity to the ; are Expenditure could (sever be considered Throne-e-from being eustos of his,Majesty's per- necessary for a person . labouring .under a me ion—he wished to know if, constitutionally, so , lady, and totally incapable, indeed debarred by great a power was compatible with the proper ad- order of his Physicians, of any investigation. Yes, teiuistretion of public affairs? He had no appre. in.bi s condition,. when there .was no opportunity heesions, and felt no alarm, : at whatever power afforded for- show-or splendour,. a' greater allow was upon the RUyal Duke ; but be 'since Was required for m a i n t a ini ng ,hie Establish sholight this part of - the Noble Lord'S plan re- 'ment than was spent by thoSe of his subjects, spired explanation. The Hon. Member wouldt whose. enormous fortunes allowed them to make not. allow such a system, of reduction to go forth more than princely display in their tables, houses:, ietoalle world as.sritisfactory to House or.the and equipages. That the question should g o to a Ountry. It did not'pl'ease and . he entered Committee was well enough, but they were not to his protest; becausehewas convinced that there thank the Noble Lord, but the General Election, might e have beets a ;;rester saving In eltosion to for thiS concession. .'The disposition manifested what had dropped from an. Hon. Member on a hycertein Returning Officers and-Electors through '-'former evenifigrMr Wellesley said he could not out the country, could not. fail to throw out neti , perhaps . -compete' with ghat" Member id - common lights of frugality, so as to enable-Ministers to see sense, a, work.to which he referred, hut he could i their own • interests. The Committee might, -it compete with him in honesty, as well as loyalty Was true, ,aided by Colonel Stephenson, ar ta oar present dliestrinus Family. range what meat, bread, and 'wine. would be Lord CAsTLattrieati'e,iplained, by assuring the consumed in the Palace; but the first qUestion ',Hon. Member who ; had just •sat ,dow n , th at no for the H ouse wou ld b e , what was the proper • blatne could be attached to the Royal Duke for scale of eXpence upon which the Eetablishment rthe'additional'lo,oool. a year in a d dition to his should be conducted ) For what were all these -income: tit bad not arisen from any demand made i expellees to be incurred Perhaps some great Pee- b.Yhis. Royal , tligi4ness,:b r it Was merely Isis right, soiage, it might yet be revealed by the Noble as belonging to the c us t os of his Majesty's . person, -Lord, was about to reside there. -If it were - the and autism isedlik Act of Parliament. With re-',Duke of York, then, of . course, the' charges of gird hie Royal l-liglinesi 'hOlding at'the same travelling expences would norm an inconsiderable time the important office Of Commander-in-Chief, item instead of 10,0001. The appointment of six Ire aces fully persuaded the,Country and . the Army 'equerries, to receive for three-or four hours-a would Most sincerely lament the remove' of his commission of inquiry into : the King's health once Ifigiosees front a SituatiOn in which lie bad. a month, was preposterous ; not so was the wish; .condue: eit 'himself with so' much honour, ability, to appolnt . ecme Noblemen of high rank to be on and Advantage to the public. ;Ilse two offices in' spot, andt6 superintend eonstanily the King's . the same person . Were not incompatible with 'hell safety. He"shouild not' be left in the charge of a - proper'hdiairiistration o : f the Government. f.ro his i Alaitre d'Hotel, Soch am ;appointment was suit- RtSvel Highness the Army - owes its character and ed to the dignity of his yank, a n d the :affec aininence not only in the eyes of this netion, • elint tionate recollection of his people. - . Such an of all Europe !—(Hear, .hear. !) appointment could' never call for a table • Mr: LONG WELLEsLey - Was not alarmed at any - , so costly, or so much Court splendour, as poirei clinferied npOn 'llia'Royal Highness. He; .would require the extravagant waste of 50,0001. .knew and acknowledged his w ort h a nd hi s vir- annually. A s to the Privy Purse anti its profits ues as a Prince and as a Corumander-in-Chiefe- e - b e ing still considered private property, he Should , (Hear, he'ar !) • observe; that though it was the right of the Tteeety rose in the' 'confidence that the I fouee to have settled on. the King, at his acces adjustment of this question; -comprising various sion2to the throne, a sum of 60,000/, annually, interests of the greatest magtritticle, as wel; as re- subject to no control whatever of Parliament, in- . gtilatin t za ppiposed i m m e ns e ex p en dit ure oipub- a s t u uc h as h e w as t h us enabled' to do certain see tie money, would be the' result of the most - Ma- cret acts of grace becoming his exalted rank lure a nd grave deliberation, on the part of every and situation, such as delicate offices, of charity, Member who- should take,st share in their debate the relief of decayed noble families, or t he grate on this question. H e __feared the speech of the f u l d emo n strat i ons of affectionate preferencei Noble' Loral' would tend rallies. to mislead than to a favourite child ; still he' had heed al instruct thieFfouse in its duty. "r' The fact was, by lowed this considerable sum, not because he the, late anelerocholy deeth,tafe • Lie-Qtteen, a charge %%ei a man lik&t, but because. be - was a King on the, Civil List had ceased, but he and the Noble reigning, lint now this consideration was at toidaitlipPared, thew; very dif et•ent inferences an end. This cottony bed, in fact, another frorn't hie octurlrence. "WNoble 'Lord had ar. Ki ng , an d t o hi m . h a d b een ., g rant e d a n o :l tee geed the country had jwt• got a good windfall, 60,000/. a year. ' together with the income of the and therefore the House should, nut be too bent, Duchy of Lancaster, 10,0001. more. He here re- On rigid econoinyiu this respect. He (Mr, feared to the various deductions on account of the Tierney) should have fist mentioned what was pensions, &e. made .frOm the privy purse, leaving: due to economy, and, with a view to the prottahi= residue of 36.0001., out of which the charge of lity of its sphere of operalion b e ing increased, physicians,-estimated at 28,0001' at year, was to shoeld secondly have congretnleted the Houle be' paid. In these arrangements, bethought a upon the Windt-ell, Which- Might kive increased ef- :considerable saying might; be effected, which, fleecy to the operation of !the spirit ofecrenonsy. added to the 8000/, remaining unappropriated, One'of the class of persons to wboin this arrange- would at least defray the travelling expence ;tient Of the Noble Laird was iosen'ded to apply, the Duke, Isis custospetsontr„ it• would-be barba wes that of Lords . and Grooms of 'the Bedcham e •rosse, he thought, to curtail the. expenses as to her, who, it was admitted, had heen . maintained. Physiciaus, the number of whom had beets in at an expence of 42,0001. to the country. This creased by the painful - recollection Isis Males suin of money, he frankly' confessed, he consider- ay entertained' of that species of treatment which ed,very inconsideratelyexpersded, as would apPear had derived from a certain class of !twill from the statement of that Noble Lord• In .181'2, 'cal men, into whose hands he was so averse ,when these appointments were regulated, he had to he delivert:d; • that he had made it a stipe objected to tirem ; and notwillistaptling lie had lethal with the Queen, should his disorder ever best told that in doing so l ie bal l been actuated inert, : that one of these Physicist's should be in eonstant•atteodance on hint. 'lle could not assent to gran:ing to the Superior Officers and the Do. Meitics their full *salaries on aseir losing - tipsir places. IVhatever tended to 'thew his - awsehment to the Royal Sadder, or any branch of the House cif Brunswick, he would feel happy in amply af fording ; but all must be regulated by ecooomy and frugality. The establishment of WindSor het should wish to be maintained becomingly•ro the residence of the afflicted Sovereign of a great and generouS public, and notwithstanding the hints he had Thrown out fOr the consideration of the Com mittee, he shoold vote for the motion. Mr. CsxxlNO, considering the various admis sions of the Right lion. Gentlentars as so many mods of a disposition to let the matter he sub- Mitted to a Committee, thought the division of the subject adopted by his Noble Friend, in proposing the arrangement; was not inapt or ill Suited to the fair diteussion of the subject.* It Was, however, to be suppoied, these admissions would of course be einalified by somet king ; and the result was, the Right Honourable Gentleman wished the queStion to be referred to the Committee, so as that they should not take the proposed Establish went as a t 50,0001. a;•year, but - broadly 'purer into the investigation, whether it should be taken at that estimated rate of expence, or at a- Mole Moderate one. He should apply his retisarks; first, to runt part of the speech of cite Right Hon. Gentleman which - came last in order, namely, the allowance to the officers and domestics. In the ca - se of the demise of Queen Caroline, and in that of the Princess Dowager of IVales, which, though not a case of the demise of a Queen, was there fore, o fortiori, applicable here, all the officers and domestics of these illustrious personages retired on their full pensions and allowances of wages, which nevertheless could not he considered more *that' half of the emoloments of their sit nation,wheo it is recollected that on rerirints they lost a place of residence, a weld assorted table, in mail in stances their carriages, together with various other allowances, altogether constituting the most va luable part of what they severely . lost.—(llear, hear !)—Upon -the topic of the Privy Purse; as the private property of his Majesty, the Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to him, to have labonied under a complete mistake; the *question whether it was or was not private property being - *no longer a Matter of debate. This question had, . so tar bark. as . 1812, been settled fOr ever by ats Act of Parliament ; after reading which he should be much astonished if any Gentleman subscribed to the opinion of the Right Honourable Member, that to hold --this property any longer the King's private property was an absurdity. in arguing; the questions of this establishMent, he shook' have taken this not as debateable, but settled, and never to be unsettled but by another Act of Parliament, repealing the existing laws of the land. By the 51st of the King it was enacted, that the Ministers of his Majesty's Privy Purse and Private Property should be empowered ao re cover all profits and dividends of such property, to be laid out by them its the purchase of 'other funds, for and on behalf of :his Majesty, and ue serve the same; with the profits arising from them, from time to time, and for the sole use and behoof of his Majesty," adding, " that its case no disposition . shall be -made by .tvill or- the - same by his ,Majesty, the whole of such pro perty so undispOsed of, shall be disposed of accord. ing to law." If the English language could more effectually protect property from innovation on the .claims of the public or i n di v id ua l s - lenea. rally, it had been done- with the utmost scru pulosity in this instance'. Whatever, therefore, remaitred,'must follow the will, if will there were: if none, it - most , necessarily b.: disposed of by the natural and ordinary process of lacy, .11 any rea sonable grounds could be ofVered for its repeal, the only way for the 'Right Hon. Gentle Ma - to bring about its discussion with propriety, would be to move its repeal. By another Act, "it had been. determined that as other properties, ejusdent generis, had been disposed of during the sound ness of mind of his Majesty, in pensions to his faithful servants *Who had grown old in his service, 50 the claims of those subsequently 'to the passing of that Act, should . remain 'with and be examined by the custos of - his person, by whom they should, it thought fit, be remunerated." The case of titC5C persons was more peculiarly interesting ; they had not in This case been deprived of their places by the 'stroke of death, where they must have con cluded their services were.at an end, whilst they followed the deceased•to the grave, but hadAreett cutoff by the act el the law ; and hence to them it Vas but just a compensation sbouhl be made by law, which, in case of death, the deceased wou'd have provided should have "brew made by specific bequests—(.-Tear !)—Hence liberty was given by this Act to the citstos, •to place them on the Pen sioners' List on the Privy Purse; and' the Queen had been authorised to remunerate not only those decayed. but those cut off by An Act of the Legislature, by pensions propor. (loped to their services. The conduct of the Duke of York had been :•uch as became the rank lid had .ever held in the public estimation, and wor thy of himself. BY the Act which had passed in another House, it was clear he had accepted the appointment of rtatos,. without stipulation, and there was no doubt he would; execute that high and important trus t , wh et h er P al li am e nt did or did noimake him indemnification, for remunera. tionin such a case there could be none.—(Hear!) —lt however was impossible, as he was satisfied by the new course of life which be would he forced by circumstances to adopt, that he should not be put to consitkerable inconvenience as well as ex pense. lf,'however, the vote of 10,0001. a year should by 'epy person be 'considered extravagant, it!conld be made, and . no doubt would be made, the soliect a discussion, fi rst in the Committee - - l a.bove stairs, and afterwards in the house (Hear !), •wher:e, taking inro consideration the admissions :alreidy made by the flight lion. Gentleman, lie trusted that he ‘vOuld be, if not a complete eon :vert, very nearly approximated to that suite. if-here was no question that the House could and Oight deal with these fUnds- as they liked ; but question before the House was the mere ow- line of the Establishment, the minute parts of could not row be appropriately or wi:lt twactical benetit,diseussed on its first introduc tion to the attention of the House. One thin;; was certaiu, which was, that should the tzt :l3 , ► l in 01 0 t Ij3 lIiC~IVAS fur,' A I ILO(' ll° tv „ gre ss )ulrlstate TOOP OSC', tlie fo r e o l i jOyu' S 5411a 1 ‘1 • oc 3 n rso ll ' 1 try` v e it 114 11 ! IC ' 1‘ ... 1'1 r 1 6 i Ileo id 6 mol t tor 'iosel I" r 93 0 Franc he r, ' E eC ti eibi de t J:e to I `' td 163. A li l' e • )0 , to- " " t e 4 tie 1• 0 11, r "y . 1301" i s ,„v• bC 't , c , • g ;;I,+, - 'tr y 01 6 f tbe AT,‘fl, hit art '11)f .110' tit!cf!. w t.! y le' 00 - 1 [ ten t , - be r 0 115 , °