The Sun. — London, England, 1816-03-29 00:00:00

j i '1 W 'at a change in tilC COUrii! or iiie rcvc. true was to take place.' lq" 6 LAsPELLEsobservetl, that there Couldbeno uotibt that much diStieSs prevailed in the country, thtiiigh be Ltd vet licarli of no adecittate remedy. Maeh.of AtatAistress, he believed to arise ,from the state of the circulation generally throughout the country. One of the remedies proposed by thelVlember for Es ex, the abolition of p ie. War AlAt !fax + bad:already beet' As also the abglition—of the, Propertv 'fax, from both of of which he conceived considerable benefit svritilif, arise. The kenrehonsing•corn.should be 1 1,1 t Put of thequest tau, as'suub,speenlations• took place iu years of scarcity, and not in seasons ttf plenty, Tirrre were two ela-ses in this torintry, the agricultural 11114 the nt,innfactut ing-; nod he, front the relation in which, he !Ansa to Anumerons and,respectable body of the utter;:obliged to ,object to the busy no . foreign wool. ` tut independently or that consi %letation, he thought it was bad policy •to pose a duty on. a raw material that wits ca. pro,le.of being wrought up into a valuable article. 'Before any such resolution was adopted, , he trusted the subject . would be. referred to a con). mince above stairs. Should a duty be imposed uppu foreign wool, he should be glad to know Low our In3imfactorts were to be exported abrOad. ' At:present, the I-louse could afford no itnmediate - stib9,tuntial relkf ; and the only tree relief would . be, to reduce every pqrt of the expenditure of the Country. lie did not mean to join it) the cry of the,day, as any thing of that nature must retrire considera4le . tittle; hot as many of the huilhens should be taken off as was possi ble. lie was afraid that the appointment of a Committee of the whole lionse to examine int& the subject of the present. 'distress, would excite I exngterated expectations in the countty. Colonel Woo'D thotight it . Would he better' that Tingliih Corn should be warehoused than that this prcietice should be Confined to foreign corn. A modification of the tithes system would greatly al to the harmony, happiness, and even to the religion of the country, nod be hoped the day-was nth far distant when this would be effected, The POor Law's also denianded-the interlerencelof the • Legislature. Many of the evils now complained of arose frdtn the diatiuished circnkttion of the counti i y ; but those with whom this ntrasure bad originated, ought not to be hastily censured, as whatever were the ineonvenieocies we had now, sustained, had a contrary course been taken, • more ealamitims . consequences might have ensued. .111 r. CoaiVelst sad, that notlvithstanding the bi , gb opinion which he entertained of his Hon. Friend who had moved the Resolutions, he had taken a different view of the state of thecoontry, and of the causes of the distress which was known to exist' among, the agricultural classes of so y. Ile denied that the difliculties which were - alluded to were sttribotable to surplus produce--- rand In .this opinion he was justifiedhy a reference to the state of agrieuiture front 1783 to 1813, embracing a period of thirty-one years, durimi the whole of which period, except in one-year, that of 1792, there never had been an excess of produce. Ice that year the exports bad exeeeded -she consumption by'l2,ooo quarters, lint isvevery other year we were obliged to have recourse . to the foreigu market. In the course of the 40. years our imports of grain had amounted to 34 snillious and ithalfqoarteri, CirCtillist niece hide was demoustrative of the propo s ition, that the dif, ("tilt ire oft he eon n'try bad not ari!ien trout the stir-. lus produce. The great centres of distress, as h a d been very jtistly rated, cre the clepreciatiyn the price, of corn, aisd theredaction of the agricttl,, tural capital hy the country bankers. lt was a fact, that the amount of capital employed in agriculture,' :aril withdrawn by the country bankers, was not less than 25 millions, a circumstance which of •it self was•calettlitted to produee,the greatest Alistress.. , "The Ifon.-Geutleman then proceeded to observe,' that he thought moon might be done towards re-, lievittg the•distresses .of .1s bleb so notch had been *nid,•by granting to the agaricultoralists a similar relief to that giant e 4 to the merehmits'on a tor tuer occasion, namely, by a temp '.irary loan of twelve millions, lie douhted !nude the wisdom bf imposing a duty on the impartation 4 Airtign wool, and etTsidered that ;t Would "flit! far Mine advantageous to cultivate our coarse wool than to inercase.the gr9Wth fine wool. With re apect,to the growth of • corn, he, thought it cold(' OM better he encouraged than by his .11.ajesty's fitvernment themselves making a deptit eqi.al to Ptveinnittlis consumption of the hich t ainotinted to nne,eighth of the consuniv:ion •of the Whale country. •Hven although thismight he isroduetive of a loss,tn the country, to the amount istro9,ooo/. he thought this loss would lie . con• • iilikred . is nothing when cOmparcil With the *Mt.: Gaut t;a which wool(' rest& to the "agricultural tuteretAs.—Uputi the 'subject of tithes he saw Sim necessity tar alter.o ion, considering, as he did, bat the clergy wcfr very liberal in their, rangements on - this-score. %Volt reference to the however, he thought -quite-legislative steps - wele necessary—and cohsidered that the terilionld andergo the -consideration of the C..tinttuittee, from the report of which some retne- Antight' lc suggested 'to the evils so justly com iti'Yhtsj-il of under this head at present. • 11+ L;For.sTin said, that the House; in con '"itteration"of this question, WaS placed in a sort of slrrtibte Aiiethma ; toi to relieve the agriculturalist, )they the price of corn must become greater than' !‘ ; liitt it #.otild be -procured for from: a foreign "Market, or the supplies of all agricultural pro fit'," fl'Otn ahruad must be totally excluded. -it , 4 . ,, df , were taut promptly afforded to*the farmer, 1„ 4 """id he obliged to dispose. of his barns, his far'►tiny utensil's find Irisstockin geoeral,tosupplort Li lase In the p r esent exigency,' and rune !must be In e - inevitable consequence. -lie .dilieregentirply f ;,r.411) those who 'sut;lioed that the evil would cure t; .l, 1.. ! This was i, ritistaki Oldest. flow could it 'Pposedthat the -Brit ish farmer, oppressed!, by L ' i tuv Y' taxes, could CoMpete with the foreign . h ru wer. who 'paid sseareely Any. The quantity irtiporied;thoht4ll in itself insignificant, had a etftet 60 the home trade: . lo sensors of :h l4 l lCity it w ou ld hot Wotd arty ' 'like a "T -AY. t aut . quite 5t14 1, - Z,liiit d to . destri);the in i t yk e t' tyhielt the f.irmer ) , 4 1 " "e " ' " , P o i'll of Iris produce ,it a tact tr 4 v. tUts VirettkUattOlDQ.; and this PAQIIC, (Mit Hill to I (111 U .lily Sit tUV . _ corn .trenle. The :king comlottaitee;pt, war bed , trecessefily raised, lit a very high degrtt; the Ptiee of corn—the depredation wlikh the peace oece slotted Was tendered still Mere fel to the inle rest of the farmers, because it had induced the country banks, tpavithdra,w - their snpport. The :circulating mediOnt (which many (eotletuen sop , posed to be, at one tittle, cotisiderably too great— a position, however, t 1.2, truth of w hieh tic very ' much doubted) ;As, in coionnenutee, reduced to 'a - degree that had, he conceived, been productive of otenv.ill effects. He saw tlos . countty fertile and populous—he saw it pOsexssing, within itself, all 'the means of prosperit and happiness—nothing appeared to hine to be wanting 'to the comple tion of its welfare, but to 511 M out the foreign farmer from mil' market in time of peace. ' This country r mild' not look to' an efficient POreign sup- ply in time of war--:tail even a sinall importa tion, in time of peace,Aestr• - •yed the'i n which the home-grower expected . would atfordliim a !roper' remuneration. Ns to a grata of Exche- titter Hills, .lie was by no means friendly to it.— There was nbundant capital in the Coinstry, and if it were not voluntarily offered in suppoit of the atericulteral interest, it would be nseless for the Covereinont to give the species Of relief Which the Hon.'Gentletnat. recommeoded. Sir .lo:fNi NEwt'OnT said, that though we bad come out of the War inoSt triumphantly, yet he believed under borden3incaleulable.' These bur dens hove most on one nartien'ho class of the community,. so that it became vile ditty of ilk Motile to situ/tort t)te agricaoral'interest, or the country woold: be r ruined. The distress of the agricultural interest prtetneed the wOtst' eon- Seto - lent:es to the manufacturing interest, by de priving it of the, home ituirk et , ' , c.f.i. h Was the most valuable,, as in the fOreigo neo Let they were at the mercy of foreign nations. 'Pie only effectnal remedy then was, to iepose a • countervailing dot y on the importation of toreign corn, so as to put theßritish ,l - grieulturZ•e, who laboured under a most het% y itiNittimi. at least CM a level with the forei ! ot grower, who was not so herdeeed. Alihotn2ll t.IC ~ .re, d :n principtt with the, Honourable 11f• tuber to. f', , -ex (Mr: Weitern), yet there wer e some parts of the ilesOlittion to -.which ha rid,' not agree; There were certain parts of the , ohjert to wide!, the I - Ifeise could pro ceed without the' intervention of 11:e Comanittee. This was especially' 'the ease with . relfeet to the article, of vector, in which relief Win, esfteially wanted, be-ause if this relief wits delayed, even a little while longer, it would' he too late; [Lord .Elmley,Mr..,Methiten, and Air. W. H. , Lyttleton, here entered into 'some unimportant explanation its to what passed, on the part of the Member for, Wiltshire, during his absence, re specting a Petttien eghinst the military establish 7 noott, and, for' economy, presented - by the Noble Lord, at a time when there were hitt about half a dozen Members in the lif•-.se.] ' I ' Mr; Pest. said it'vvits not his intention to''t 6 o into the general griestion. ' 'Whatever were the caeses which led to the dent'ession . of agriculture in En e land, these eaese.s Operated with a greatly in - ,ereased force in Ireland. The ..itoprovenrents to - Which an extended demand had .given rise in that country were. more rapid its their operatibn than • iu this, and the iehaege produced by the wita drawini: of that ch mato', on the change from war to peace, had nt coesequence been more 'severely felt., All the evils of 3 , diminished eirenlafion had also been le er in a greater extent in Felatutthan in Eiteland,' 13.11 while the distress of the aer:enith- • rist of Ireland exceeded those of Ow English egt i• culturists, they would enjoy less relief frOni the plo- ' posed remission of texittion The rytniqiiiin cif the Income'.' ax anti the War Malt Tex, amounting to. gether to 27 ni , illions, enitstititted 'One-fOorth of the whole sum annually erised'in England ; but the remission-of the Nlait Tax in Ireland would only relieve the people of that country from be- • tweetr 3 and 400,0001. or about one-eighteenth of taxation. We were..: bound ,toYafford Ireland a protection foe her oat mai prodnee It was not a tnannfaePiring ,eonntty, not .a country suited for manufactures; arid with the exception of the 'stable mannfeettire of 'the north, the eceepatiim of the inhabitents wrlS.agrieultitre, ..Nee bing would operate With more.immediate effect on Ow wotais : and, ItAillt of the people of, that court!). than tite enlarging : the means of employment, reealling them. from irdeness, and ma%ine it .their interest to he industrious. It was aviih s,nisfact ion,. tilers' , fore, that he badheard a Iti!.!lit Hutt. Centlettem give notice of a teotitm to elhod protection to the nott.et' of Ireland* 'Flue House were not aware of the Importance of that .artixle:_it was the gremt,est . ,hl the whole list of Irish exports, with thse.exception of Intel), 'it hd.possibly of Corn; in 18.1;7e, it amounted to ff1,01)01. or about one se venth pelt of the whole ix fewetiott. in the year ending Jantwy 160, the iitittcr imported from foreigo 'counties into the port ,of London. did Sin tonoont to ince. , than one sixth part: of the trantity,imported l:i oat Irelond, while in the year ending Jannary . ISI 0, it amounted to nearly one half. 'Otis wpoiti tit pact• sliest' the immense ex tent of the injury suffered by the agrienkture of Ireland front foreign iteportation, .• , Mr.Rotkiaonet,thoegin - most, if not all., the,pro poOtions of the Hon. Gcntlernan liable to great objections. The a - gricUlturer interest was even 'noisr in a situation diffet cur front that'in which it was at the time the Hon. Memher for Essex. gave notice ofiiis Resolutions. Since then i tbe Income . Tax anti tile Milt Tax had been taken yir, nod though his:opinion of the former, as a measore of • 'i.e%'elltre; remained utialtered, yet' in 'so far egri culture had 'had' a ' most soimantial relief. tfe 'objeeted to the plan of a loan of Exchequer Ellis, 'as well as to that Of werehousing e, for if there \were no other objection to them; it was sufficient with him to feel that such plans could have no . praetit'allybesetielalOpersititin. Granting bounties, too, was a proposition, with .which he -could' not acquit:see; for i :he did not think that any interest could be supported• by bounties which- could not stand without them. Nor Wks he less adverse to the system of prohibitory ditties, to obtain which there bad. not Inca . a stogie branch of industry winch had nett•applied to prevail upon bin ) to be come itistiumental in hisollicialcapecity. He could not possibly conceive how this country could adopt i a general syst cp . ' of, prohibition, w thout ail the is consequences of that sytteal of eouttneutal exeln. , ; otn,-et of this country to gnaril. .Prolliiiitiou and pro tetion were ditrerent ; ;iod th e point was , what would be one without the other.: In the last year the corn question formed a patticulat which took it out of the' genertil princiPV; but peohio it ions told.; never he good per se.7 The cumstances of Ireland;with respect to hotter, he was, inclined to think, took it out of the general As to prohibitory' dirties •on tallow and hideS; it should be considered'th3t those articles alre4dY hose considerable duties, and r hat they were the exchange produce in a great and imporlunt trade with Smith Awn it 1, It would be the height of impolicy to cut Ott the branch of commerce. Besides, oi jections had been ex pressed from di:re:an - a parts of the country to the existing Thiry 61) leather, :and prohibitory dirties on bides wr.nhl hive the itninediate effect of add iiyt; iii the Hee of that article, both to rite gene , ' consemer and the tanner himself. Prohibi tory duo let ow fOreign wool and rapesee4 would affect the woollen manufacture, in advancing the price of the raw iriterial and of oil. These were the sort of objettions' he felt in goitig . , any length upon the system: of -prohibitions. \Ve hart . already gone far enungh, ile'did not know how we were to get out of it, -but. he was sure we ought to be cautious how we went further. With the in terest he tilt for agriculture, these were the rea sons, wliv, in his official situation, he had not been, ready to appear forward with some' propo sitiOos in its behalf', He Must bow to the supe rior wisdom of the HouSe, but he was bound to state the difficulties which ha' occurred to Mill,' titifl which he did net think could he obviated. Afr. BA nit ANt thought that not nil!) , a duty liear! prohibitory, should he laid on the importa tion, of loteigu , coro ; but he would have an abso lute prohihition, excepting in very ilictuenle.e,u,es. lle entirely agreed with his Ilon. Friend Western), as to the Warehousing system which he peopoetl. .11.4.-Fu,NNKLAND Lam's entreated the !louse not to lose, sight , of the great interest now at stake—it was not the interest of this or that ma nufacture, but of that which constituted England, itself. He should not enlarge on the present distress, whieli was sufficiently knOwit both l witli ill'and without doors ; but it was of importance to consider whether or uot it was posiblc to preient the landholders . from being reilaeed to a different condition (rota that which they bad hitherto maintained.: Wi'li then would perish the best guardians of the Constitution ; and though the' island would tint be sunk in the ocean, though the pOptiltition would still exist miller some form or oilier, vet those principles, and that condition and ,frame of society tor which England Was so long ailrniresl, would go•down with the landholder:. — Ile had listened with, the utmost anxiety, in the hope of healing some official opinion as to a re atedy. for, the present , state of the circulation,— 'Twenty per cent, of the depreciation in the value, ref time ,ierietriturat produce was owing to that cause alcirtenmething shonhilie done to prevent us front continuing the 'sport of t he 'present dangerous svitern he believed it would' be found that we hard conic neat I,'• to the extreme of' funding, horn w+ ing; Mid spending. 'ln proceeding• tti consider a remedy for the present state of-things;two modes sOggested themselves :—The one most acceptable to liinwas, that of,bringing every thing,down to the present low rate of corn—the other was, that of hrin , gitrg every thing up. 'lf thiogs., were left to themselves, it , was true that the price. of corn wanid soon affect that of all other cointtiodities, list it conld not affect the taxation, Some re ilief should he •atl'orded upon' this head, and he tbought that the eitpenses proposed to meet the exigencies of the State, would adniit of some reduction, which he_ hoped would take' adace. , -- ''' perso n hem d with greater pleasure than he . did, the intention of the Chatteelltir of die 'E\ ebeeuer, to take off the.war duties upotinialt. it wo one of the greatest reliefsahat could be afforded to the ry2,Tieuttoral interests at tile, present ntottictut,--- lie undeustooll that adrawbaek wits to he :dlow. col, hoped it wonlil he so extended ,ilia zkf• . Icet all bi.etver - 5, and nut merely those who brew ed l'Or sale. There were other duties that pressed on land, which, 'he thought, sub. jeeted to some Motlifidation. He apical red, its the opinhm that 'prohibitory ditties should.' if possible; ba avoided. The proprietors of land Were -slow , in following the- example of 'the inaiinfacturers ; they aid riot, clatnotir ..the doors .0f , the Board Of 'Trade; and, it was 'an indisputable tacr, that all,the relief which was Tx.* tended to the importunities of the former were ob tained at the expense of the landholders. Bust though he concurred in depreenting dtifieS of firo.' hibition. he thungitt - '• it lviiilltl be . wrorigAtrreject sa , all dirties for the parprSits - Of• s revetturr without fair CX11111 . 1ilal:oll. Tilt first and most' obvious of these referred, to the article' at Wool. Thii article was snore ciingenlal to our elitn,ire than, either silk or cotton,. yet' the - e - was tax on the itripOrtation of both those articles. Ile therefore conceived that a 8,011 ditty of thl. or Is. in the'poinicl on' the importation of 'foreign wool, would etc nincli less obnoxiousthata t h e t ax on horses "eulploylul ih agrieniture, which would operate directly against theintluitq ul' the Country. lie disapprovril nitogether o f t he pro ject Ot a loan to the agriculturists, and thought it would be much better to remit hixatiou to, the same extent than tee tithe the tooncy out of the piaci:eta - Of • the people, Besides tie tOniP faint was, that the Inuit :Es ennid tio't pay tiny thing— how, then, could they'be expected to' pay the 5 :per cent% interest objected to a bounty on the ituportutior t of corn, Hill thougbt titnt July Commutation of tithes - wotild be attended. with great disadvantage and londShip.' Aftee Some ob seeyationS on the _Poor Lates° (in which the Hots.' Pentienian routendea that they Were nomi itilrni ' ll . lSterinq heyohil original'Act of Parliament,) • he Conel tnie!C h proposing tivti ResOliitions • lat!y, That' it SiouLt exprifiefot to 'all,ov the txpottatiott erf , Rout duty frvet soul slats, t hat wool .shouht t,4 cpnvey,ll tt:roatlY ur cootrys isl iota tt tnatker : Unr,persotts coo conmi slit!) ocinvetatw.v. hoogiir ' 'idly, That the i•oit'ird.'4)4; o f tiiink to should bs ptunitted tindsn soth utti d a - eiti'kt low , as Limy.. " d e o u vd ' Whi3tvitt v.'4tht hilercst at theittyClltlO. „. . ne cilAtwm.i,il.ubietve-i!, that there was already a Resohitioo . belore the Comtniitee„ whieli mast be disposed of before the Hon. gembe * r's Resolu tions could, he put, TLit Citk;(,':ELLOII of ilteExcitc4mt obset.veci, unit ,trom Itlt tatetleS t9t the debate 1:1 - t. d thol,ls tit provose that tlit: Shouic report progress, and aFik le.ivt: tc, ,it The proposition 4k9S Agreed to ; the 110 the Sinned, and the• Committee was-ordered to hit again on Thesday tie)(t. The of her ()triers of the Day were then di4p(nirci of, and the House acijourued 'at balf-paSt twel v e o'clock. GERMAN PAPERS. Nueamuttao, Maacrt hAtar IroM the. Rilitic . ,• that according to at:counts from 'many quarters, which all agree in the main, a new plait of partition and exchange is on foot. Accoring to this . new scheme,. every- thing will remain on its old footing, in respect hi the pouessions of the several States on the right bank of the Rhine, and Prussia will receive, against another exchange with Anstria, all the countries on the left bank eie the Rhine, which are still to be considered as ob. jects of exchange, from the Qucich to the including the two. fortresses of faandau anti Alenti. It is indeed not possible to warrant Ilia authenticity of this statement, fdr at a moment when the negociations, arc carried on with this greatest secrecy, who, will pretend to lift the veil. It uiusti however, be confessed that this parti tion of it, were. it at present but a niel'e project, would satisfy the wishes of all in a more complete .• and easy manner than any other, and that on this account' it seems to have probability on'its Noat;:u BE no,.l4larten 16 —ln a •North German Paper we find the folloWing non) Frankfortos , -- • " The territorial arrangements to Bich arc bens negociatng may be a long time in hand ; the dr cumstance that the Ambassadors. of some distant Courts have declared that they must wait for farq ther instructions from home, has even caused, for • the moment, a kind of stagnation. It is believed ► that Baden tedious on the support of 'powerful Courts, in respect to the proposals made to As the opening,of the Diet is deferred, the Depu ties of several German States, particulatly the less powerful Ones, arc said to have United to form a Club, in which, in the course of conversation, and under the seal of iendlYcommOnication, the. interchange of ideas will be' permitted,. which may serve as an useful preparation for the tore official 'discussiOns. In our neighbourhood we expect great changes of territory. The land beyond the Rhine, Which still sighs Un der rt - proVislonagoverument, may now Lope that the final decision - and change of its situation' IS apprmehing. The eamplainis which we hear from these countries are heart-rending. " If the people were not so German in their bearts, they must :almost lenient their separation from France) hut this' is:Ao far tram bein,the case, that on the contrary, the German , eonntries that still retnai4 to France, ardently wish to bQ 9n;ted to Germany, Report sny that great things, ate in filial on the part Of the meLliatised princes, against the opening of the Diets the greater part. of :hem kill protest against the Aet oft:inlet), and, po , itively insist on their former rights. - La.) , Vl;ll F41.11E; NAktC 0..77-Accprding to diet tkei•ions of the Congress, the Duchy of !loft:rein is again to be incorporated with theGartnan Ernes pire, alid it ie t4erefore tv have a representativa constitution. The !I ohio land owners in this'alay who for; merly enjoyed many privileges 4 are , in pal iiinddr vet y onxions to have this constitution itnindurti • as Soon as pos s ible; but it heelll3, that the Govero meot is not at all desposed to do this; the rea l . Sim is evident.: It is not till the general relation* of the whole German Constitution are pernmuent, ly fixed at the Diet at Frankfurt, that the intro unction o f fmtional representation into the several' States can be successfully effected upon the hasis of those general relations. Many pamphlets hay* appeared npon ;he suhject, lint none of them diitingnished either fur style or :Argoolent. VIENNA, ArAtten I 4 .—lt is calculated that the new reduction of our Army muuonti to 109,000 men. • By the departure of the Arrlolnehess. Maria Louisa, the Palace of Schoeubrunn is beco.ne empty and desolate. Only the little Prin.- t. or Parma now.lives s tliere.lt is not known whether thu Court, on its return, wilt go to Sehoenbrunt% ter to'Lnxemhurg, to enjoy thefine season... I'rreasnuiian, Vert. 27.--,There flow PS more said of the-, journey of the - Emperor into the interior proVinees of the,EmPire.' SWIW2EII4..IND, TALutqtr I6.—They write from Coke, on the 10th—The Government has just been informed that a, contagious ilktemper Of an. alarming appearance ji:ti itself in the Valle* of Livitioi, in the Comity of Bonnie.), awl that great number of pvn,,otis hate already beet t its victims. A eordon has been established on the ltalitui side, to insulate the valley o nut. stile ; 8 15 0 Very rigorous rileaitKed 'love been n,lopte.l. All the toads by which this eonnututicate.x 1111 Tipper Eppline and l'utschlavr, late.gtittrao with gmatest eure. A member of the : eonnril at krtitit is 4ClIt to Wlntlity; to examino iuto ILA nix tate of the di4e44.:.