The Sun. — London, England, 1816-03-28 00:00:00

tlighest, a:4Jan. , aeretirti.i4lSula 2 l VIA 'More t 44 tll4 th:s he eonlq - piil'll - Ci:lktitled tifArvikre..! fit ai:, ofeiy ootde. redtte :o{ tam itt thy fit.. 4 i , t`tance; rlm ) t. of rlitSS .IL . lir • • •, ivety 9 ntirti , atwo 3 i t, was (I.IIIV t t 'ciasS—= tirose who .ivere low - est . in ihe'ser‘'ir . e, n:oo v‘e'e lii , nefited byithr _nese had their taViti.es at otwe fixed 10 1.001. per !nitwit, but when it Was considered, , .that at ian `9tio;ectote - Wll3l. v , of, sgrvi" tier R Itece . tsary 16 Vie ihein anhipil incomv 3 00 l• StA`voidol e tiinuttht they were 'extrav:ll , citly 'provided fot. of tile wild, under the Old system, would in two Years have 'been ei,:itled Co 7501. per amino], at the entl' Of 'that period, receive . secii hood-sett pounds. — '!'hits the livesertior -fn 'the .the old . p i lati, ,had. saliiries on the ne.w : plan amounted Itiget her to 'hit!' 3,2001., The salaries •tli eltnises'had formerly t.lnotinied to 20,6001 . : I:llcV'nOW created it charge of 26,0001. • Ititiktig•an InCre'aic Oi' the sum Raid to ,ttient 'of '5500'4. This :511m' divided,' attiOnt.., 1 per.sons.,. f4ve att . tiVege 4,4 491. : per man, In the yictnal tiog OfhCei% onenthe satne : „ Ile Ink! heen 110 . 1 . 1. GePitv'imn Was ntistaket t i thenottiber of. Clerks 1)11 the itsrobliidtmeni hail been raised Iron; Ili or 17 to . `lB. In ISOO . there'Were but 16 Cie ti on the.Estahlkiim e ht; heir , it : had been ewitition oe caiionally to employ to, 1 . 3, 4,1 t 6 tetr►par;ii yCleh Ls • to assist - 01CM, tire.or• imsiness made. 41114 oeer9Ra 'q, ' In'the p:rcsetn there had not been made to the !Minitel, of Crerks on the 1;;:-Iiilishment Supposed by the Alight 1-lon. Geiitlt ltntti. !le t ' ( Ir. Croke)) eon ceked`the 'Gentle:Man hail been led ,•, • , iitto this' errnr, ov ooservint; some of t hreat were described Its I:7,.xtra Clerks:" 'ibis distiactiim • had been made w.•em lie first knew the Why the'Jitior Chrkswere so called ,he 'knew not but they lbss 'on the establishment 411(111 those who 4t. re not thus iittlicoteili marl erect.rrtt, as he iissunteti 004 Right lion. Gentle man to have stipposed,"inerely tilnporacy clerks. When . it had been eicto:iniin'ed to make . the at - fang,entent whieit had takeiiplace.wiitt respect ln the salaries of the Clerics, au d io reduce their num bers in that the exPense sho e thd not, be increased to the public, the course taken was that wltioli . with •respeet tot thews o ent in cat, up all pltroage` • by the roots. Not fewer thfirt `IU Clrtks l►.rtl been 'reduced since the ye:4 q 314: The irisilittatioa.of the !tight 11:‘,:tunr.;n1e - Gentlenr.in, that., he Jniti texcociked any oith respect., to the • Aa'trniralty Clerks, 'lie. would niet I .)y denying ",tite fact, mitt by :stating - to . .he, had been Ito earetnl i:, this respect, 'that when A %•;testiley occurred, or thr ee yerosi.w), the de;ttli of a w;tose NJhry n':. • per timpani, he,. foreseeing the 'whin: might ttot wain the service cif a'nyytoe his pliive vet reeolin4'ittl'ed It to the liour t l iippoint• it sac• cessor. 'With re . s . p.ect t., the labour . to ate per.... • formed at the y during hereafter rt reiluetn!it in it miglithe expected, could asset that . ii period 'ot more- cous;aot • incessagt exertion tintathat of the'last 4 moittiss he bad tit ic , knoy.m. .For this a th f i t p.Ptitil re.tsomi• • vitight he riven, hat OUC shhidd snificv. year• when' he first came to ht. offiee, ,tire '•itf the out-pensioners ot thi.cit \ yid, was.3,3°:).— 'They there wow incre:tsed to 3:0/00, ; 1141,'every in diritluas of these wits the sulift...Ct rvyq or three, 'letters to 'thr Atinsirslry, The 11t13h11C55 of tine Nis:y C)flice was iiicrecti,eti .:ione proportion, hot it please (Ind the race should continue, it • !would no' he al w ayi so great oS at pieseat.-- Under existing ci . ..fetintstances the aratigement made with respect to :the clerks 'employed wak,one 4Plllosed up'on•jbe . tloveruntetti'• 14. 01151i.lti.,;ftioils necessity„ attd.even economy. Ok . the seven elerks who had.been ,remoied he wished to Sly ordi • Comltell4 in . the discharge of ,his thug to declare there were more in the office than he th0 1 g...1 a ere ueac.ysary on the conclusion 'of a peace, the l ist, titlest:ol the SCVCII in tines, lion, 'awe of whom had been . 3s, 4(1)11 the other .37 years 'i n the • service; bad been . stiperaitnua,ted 21. theirovvit [eve.. t. lie .19e1 selected ,the others by calli n g ; ott ti.e Chef Clerk to giv,e a list of the live least CflieicUt Clelfl in the office ; !hit deci sion h a d been rt . golitteti by no other criterion thin this. Ile dot not mean . to goy any thing to the piejittliCe of the ittilividthilg referred to;, but of Conrse it would. be .felt by the tlause, that among a hotly of Gentlemen, like the ,cierks of the Ailinirafty„•sortie fontid. less eti.- cient titian otbees,••and titese had thought it 4is duty to,.the puhre to displace. . ••• littottanAm, for one, was not. entir ely citified' with the answer wii km Ost been given 4o lits slab. Frit:Md. 'Fite Ilun..Gentlematt lied referred thein tt. I lic . firlt year after the l'eace„! 4)f Amiens, ants ttild, thiet, on ,th,e : be i .: Estimates:l;i ,18`02 there ivas ar t exceeding. of 00,0001. over tie L.edi . pitry l'.•e;tias.:ites dialog. the Ailininistrition of Lord, Si . Vincent„ The yew', 1802, lioteever, was tint exactly a_year of 'peace. 'iritv: Estimates were Matlefifeinttlie I st tif January. to _the 1 . 0 of January . in the' fo.lowing . yea a. nod the .oefioitive 'Freaty had not been gigned till after the first quarter of tree year hail'pa,;scil away,— Lord St.. Vincent, th i erctOre. it rutty could not make his arrangeinents those 'of a, year. of 'mace. In the : •-piesint initance,. t thirj peace was signed six weeks before Chrisrinas; nod our . preparations 'fin.. a state ; of . ; race 'night With - prudence 'haVe been curninetreed..! six months before, for though 'certain'. portions... of, territory and thinisintd: of souls rent4int:d„ to''be dispdsed 'of 1 ' • " cisams - )y tile I ,rea ; . of the einitinent,-...n0 doubt collier eatertAiried . thitt tt►e sliMild speedily be its' 110111, the nio lttent- the tfpl e fid t d viet'Ory of 11'4tei•loo had made towliatte of the contest longer ilotiltful. Mows Hot the case when they e,tio of Amiens was :. l er'oeitttled. • '.l.'hinkirelintin . at it- , peaee We) . - td on. the ISt b„„ of - October, ISO! ;Op to that date Imo• ne Was satigfied that arty peace wottiv,l he - Y r. Addington 'with litton4aric• ru e , t r of the war Lich hid closeiti - Wl o ''vliic h • .• • • ' leetntlityAlitti 3 "b"iit toktirtate--- . -the torttittlah.e, 1 . 1 I:onted era • • • • •icioi tne ortn—the necessity which tx out :4 fic ,, t of,eighteelt or twenty *an ofit 1 . 'e low cruise in. the 'llrest-tiMittl tbees. ill consequence of do: uwvements which had I '6 - 66 - i•ea in the- Islarkt a l .n.'f;St:7Donag 6 , 11'0 . 'Of the arm.iment ttheJititeitment , had'fitted tOl'proceed .thither; all these eir. cute.rasires tentted to ataii . etterraval establishmeni a of Lord St. Vintfeit tr tna t t period more extetisiee aunt expensive th-ot Attfeliiiror - eliave respear'±o the increase of the ;les ot the Athiriralty Clerkti; ':titielt the Hon. Getil tleinan itiadrak'm epos, tik nottnem, with tinitionS hrOlight forwar‘t in 1812 Arid 1813 by the . Hott. Barot,,A, tha. Member for Westminster, he' had to observe; the merit. of the case had tiOt appeared to stand on exactly the same croundion which it was Oared: . He 'Stated the Clerks whose Case he brought before . t,,e_ Utilise to have chased their places Barham', and having done.thisi - he thought it 'hard' upon them that the Administration; with WhiCh that Noble Lord was connected should lower them, after they had been •bought on an understanding"that they, were to give their 'holders certain remetteration. It was oil this that the question- had been taken . op by the Hon. Baronet, and not because he thotiOtt the Salaries - inadequate to the ditties which the had. to perform.' IVlrateier the meths of the case were then, it was not now, When the prices of every thing had fallen so . much, that An increased charge ()light 'to' be thrown on the nation to give thenthigher salaries. the more onnycessary iu coesequenec (tithe victory 'recently gained 1 11 that 4.llich added to eery man's bioptic it tenth of the astii)uut 'ot the ;The Gentlem in," besides his sietta tion of Seesetary of the • Admiralty, a situation which 'be knew to be of great importance, and the functions of which. were eery - tabot•iiies, held . the office of Seer'etary to the BNrilates' 'Fund, 'for which he_enjoyed a sdary of 200/.. while' he had an assistant who received 1001. Ile'wished. to know if the duties of. this. Office could ont he wholly performed by the assistlint ? 'C (11:.1. this he done, aml the :1001i paid to the ittgb , t ll "". Gentleinan throwo out ot the E.timatcs. The Paymaster of the Widows' I'ensioit received 6001. per: (mum, Ile did not see that both a .e -eretary and a . Paymaster were . necessary, . In 1 813 theTayimitter'S salary was end he had .no•clerk ;' now, 'his sal'ary "fur'sliool. 'and be l lied a elerk,who was paid.lol-.. • 'floe allowance of the Inspector of' Telegraphs hailbeettreisedfrom ;Oa. tcr'sool. The ilicrease to the number of Alessen ,-.-geraeltdiheir arigmented SalitffeS fi 'next' coin tueoted on, and then spoke at . sonte leugthon the ;:sons charged on the Flstimates forthe•Poymaster of the Itttyal Marines. This situation, t he, Com missioners of 1783 thought one that might be •,aholished ; 114 e. borl-fi; df the;Tteasery . objected to its bei dolts 11,w , were of opiohnt the sit- Ittr'y attached to it might to be reduced to 0001.; yet 11l oppo.itiOn io'these renresentatious, it was continued 'with 'a 'salary 'of 10001.. FLiviug'brielly not ; iced.several other items, 'he- now came to the office' of Lire Admiral of Scotland : he should torte thringht bioeciire;'.had he 'not sewn 100011"" trged for 't he ditties 'br sildition tO the 30001. which ,f.disrii.Carheitut• receive& for hold ing it. lie (ti,q pot..wonder tit that Noble Lord's -• •, .iiohuitlgs+tch Au office its ticnttawl, hot lie had ne ver hoittd.olits;rinties . lief're:e. 'under the head of th.bursements.• forlaw-suitc he fhantl a charge of 10,0001. tvirll a selityy of 4001. per Alpine . ) ju, nior Ctilinsel,'ile the totoisel in Cloeireetived 1001. All the litvi4nitsfof 'the•Govere'tnetit were • conattetediu the most extravagant "mioiner. •Vo' indisidual would have his'cause so m a naged, how ..„ e,er rieh or however litigioos he' might be, Those, suMt disposal to.intiolge in theluistryt t 4la'iYweivi confetti with two.orthree Counsel. He hurt never' yet seen a Government ease lo which four, or seven were not retnined; and where two or, threeAeitnesSes would 'ati4Wer every Purpose, 20, or SO were comminily summoned.. I . le text no-, - t iced the silneratinsiations"which had tidiest' place.' , Two of :these.persontiltadretired in the.bloom or lit'e on Henri its' of 1501. The sum was equal that which4as held to' be titi'apprOprittte retv'ettd: for a igajor•in the . At-nit - who bad been Wounded , in battle. The two.'ildeat of thoie Who bad re, tired were. 50 and 44 years of age,• and the t,WO yOUtlgeSt Of those super/106 , mi eel 'Pow I the,,two he had 'first 'mentioned could have been so long its the service as they were Wormed these Gentlemen had been, he was at a loss tO understand. If the person' whO was 44 YearS'old had,heen in the service.3s, - be meat have entered it at the tender age of nine.: To he sure, where they had old men .of 22, they might have young Me'w • very fit kir sertiee when 'title years (dd. - . With respect to the - number of clerks taken on at the Admiralty; which had been denied, he, aS-ked iu Wes ont the sysJem - of the twat. to effect, his purpose, of . serving those he wish vii to • fav(W, nut , by creating new clerks, Inst by Making those' who h. - iditeen temporary nem ?• lits nvir Lords' of the: . ratty... The First Lord of tile•Adinifaity lie did tote • had too high a salters , . The three Sea L ords, s he. Was'satisneil had too list le: They hmt but .10001•. Per '4nutort, for great labdtir ilia vast . 're snoosibil.ity, while .he threc.Civil Lords' lout' the' saute salaries for nothing. These tifficesAyere allYsinelineet. "I t't6uld thus he seen that little was paid where mild) was dellertt r d; 1 , 1 ( 611 inuch was given to those who ought to - redeiWurithing 8(41. So little , impertatreeNva4 atitte}ted'to the -oilice'of the olthe- - Adatitalty,'-thet•he knew' froth - ittithority, whlch he was sure would not deceive . protoee wits for,these per , ons, in their• official capacity, to he niede to ifillit Y ; heir ilgatt titre to. papers., which - they were' nit even` per . - witted tp read ; wbich,were sent to thent . •folded dawn; with 'only room to write their oatnes.— Thereteas; :he hit te'rstinid; the instance 'Of one ,)I'..these Cis j.l Lortito who, on being • ordered to sign a:rappr . sent so him in this way, without be tit read it, Ibid virtue enough to otter bi+ resignation, taking such treatment as aft af front... ipdeed .this..tuotle or employing : the sigoa:. cure of I,ersonallei ,been_prac! . tist;il ever sisii c the days of PO Anson.. Here then . weee set set, of men supported. hy the public, at ail inn lick C eXpWICV, (Hr performing the insist vahialde'serviCe Of signing their names to papers' Which they were nut ellowed to re a d, 11 ,,t . of einitinli„ down to theil.mse to give their .votel in a %iv which was no 114.1111( CTUposqieptipos.- He•• had 'been thus particular in going throng,' tub riirious items iu the Est insides, on account id the challenge whiCh had becu g iven. from the other a tlee to sitt: e'veryrt t the In. this : ranee,, therefors4 he l hall - . • enfl..aVo'Uted to (I;seh t i . "•*.• 4 e lij, c . ttj'•.,. . Mr. ea - 670 k that if tbe LlOns'e not 'be :a 'aeetritraned of the Hon. Mein)ier tvho•had itist sat doWI7I-,s'(Hear; hear', h. ar i'vraild . hoi be tolerated in pri vate VoMpany-- 7 . (Lotid cries of hear t hear . !)—he• might have Wan surpriged at the: insinuation.: - which that Member had presnmed to throw out Auaittst thoite persons. Who ic - astr Ministerial. • Sitici of the•Houc - e, Mr: llttautift.siti . to Order. A rt pintot to hew' himself fro attacked for: any ex-s.. pression which he Might h a ve used in the. conrse.' or the debate. Ile thoU L ;lit fie,had h)atie no more tlii it a Plain, dry, minute sititement.- - -(S . honts of heat, bear, and laughter 'froth all sides of the Hmtse.) 77 .J.le appealed •to the Cottintittee—he.• . flung hint:self npoh Committee, and. Woul d . ask whether there was attY.ohe Member who could. • sa - y , that any thing which he had "Staled deserved,. the'expression glebe Hon.•Gehtlenian Opposite—, for he begged the expres - sion . to be motieetl, as-, it was quite Dew to 'inn within,the walls of the) • Hou§e, 'fusel A it would not have been tolerated it) private eomp :ay ?" • - •. Mr. CaoKaa—Would any such expression hive hero tolerated in private company as that used by ... •thenon. gentlentan,..when he talked, of the con!. veitieut kind; of conscience which persons. con nected With,Goiermite'lit liad, as to the 'way in whieh• they gave tltelr votes.. (Feaf.; hear !) If theon. Gentletuan_meaht .to. abandon the ex-. pressioU-he.tvas satisfied He tirtder4tootl, folot • his geitnic that . he Meant to ahandit oit. Mr. 1 U 31tOGuAst said he did *not-ntean toabatt don any thing he had. "ilias, prOCUlling to mike some (*rather statement, but was obl!1611 , to sir tfown, by cries of Order! and Spoke L. ; Spo.;:e !-• • • ' -• • Mr. rose. to order. He protes . tid., against, oe.m e n;teio g suantier ot the llou. Gentle-' man On the Other side 'of the. house (Mr. Crofter) —(Cries of Urger,Ortler). Lord f3lt4tqlso ruse to order. ' He had heard nothing in breach. qt, order Croat .11% 1104.Y:fiend (Mr. Ciliker), although he ba e d,beett twice palled to*order ;' he theil.ciore.requested the'ClOrin in to, project his•llon:Friend front such *interruptions.. liear , ?) . • . • , 'Mr. AVr xNti expressed 110 t 11sillilellt at the kirat iiiicir;Sion Which haTariett, and to heir no [inn. Member talk of an insinuation being abandoned. . The Clu (Mx. 13rogden) submitted that Wien a breaeli cif order ;vas coolplainv4l of, the Ptuticiiittr iVtanc,e,shonid be stated, aril IlUit the . words SIIOIIN be ordered to he takeo down, so that' the SenSe of the Cotumittee might be taken ' upon the ease. citOKRR re , domeil—But for the circum stance which be had'stated, he would have heard the i:sitination with astonishment, and wai there fore sorry that he had been miStakert in inn. "lasing. the 'lntl.'. Gentleman meant to retract it. Such an insinmition, as Ilia there ; were.. many 'Members of the 'House who voted for every met,- sure o f Government; whether they _thonght it ri LT ht wrong, was one which he felt most deeply;--(hear,. laver, hear!)--and he tilt it so, not only as being applied , in his Hon. Friendk around him, but as alit:cling the eharact erentl dignity of l'arliament..---(hear, hear, hear !)-1-le would appeal to the Uciu. Gentleiiiei lin the other side of the Idolise, who kid held similar situations to those Of the Members entitled to by the ILo notireble • Gentleulao; whether they would Opt have. been moat strongly maved , by such an in sinuation as Vie Abandonment of any part of their public duty for sortie paltry priVateconsider- - .atioa---:(Llear, hear, 'lieu r !) !'herewere none to. %Omit he -would more confidently 'appeal 0» this sa,bject than to those (gentlemen Tho sat in the Maid of ,Admir:dtx ff,rmrcl !hiring the year of 1806 e—than %Own) there wee not a set of higher minded intnt—he would apPelil o them, 'w'hether, in a similar situation, they.wontil not -Nave treat ed.sneh an in :intuition lila fourealitipny hear, ,hear But . to go 16 the question be.-- forei_the Coinmittee—t he (iehtlentan said, that he (Mr. Croker) made temporarY . elgrks . per'- manent by a sort of legerdemain. on this subject, he beigeit to. repeat what ace hutch stat ed sot: ;sight s. ago,: • thitt hail there been any prospect of peace , he had not added one e 1..; k to • the eStablishment;- - --that refm , ed Many. those cases in which individuals had hose 'did* •upon him that worked roost strongly. The Hon: Geutlentan had talked ton of a sinecure office Which beheld, besides hii'iituation as Secretary of the was• being. Secretary to the Widows' Fond ; in..officaj ar from' being asirte- Mire, and the s-nary of whiCh ryas the same note. , had been fixed in - 17 . 39, namely 1001. year, out of ivbieb be gayit: a , • part to the- Fond.--as In the observations of the Honourable Gentleman on the salary or the qttrliS of this 'Frind, the cause ; of their . having breo lately in, 16 . • -creased, was an arrangement which had been . 'made within thedast few years for paying the..pit minim of the pOor Widows at their Own doors, in stfoln cif piatiog ( . 0111104y, 'to the trnable ttittlexpe!tce at coming to Londloti,-;--(1-iear, hear !) - 11ie 'Salary of the Paymaster of,,thiS Fon a q had. •within the last few years, been inerCased: from :2001. a year to 6001. But the - teason for this tvas, that whenthesalery was, '2OOl. the Peptaster halL the emohonents.arising 110111 the. sum of 8Q,0001.: deposited in his handl—an. arrangement which heen ..abOlished; and the addition of 4001; to his lithely was a very poor compensation for the . profits of . that ,A's for the etlice 1 1 ,tylitaster of Marines, he' maintained-I, that nd more economical arrangement could' be adopted,' and it was -now regulated in the way settled' by the Utilise , The 9fliceof %idle-Admiral of Seolland mai' one which. , cotthl ytor e d,' as it was re*erved 'ipecittll r. by tide Act •rif Mien., and time other was f. rti frtinubeing'a. sine -o,re, vvelkcet, the ..1001. yvar tO ihe - Senioi' Counsel was merely ; it ret4itdrigfee. Whereas. the Junior Counsel rereied . d6LJi. for.bh. tnllu)t'~lttbctttr. Art to the pay of the InipeetOr of Teleg?pl4, 4 it '•dyits 4eptlythAt _fixed, by Act of • Pairiament, Mr. TIBRNRY recapitulated a r6vr of the Stints %Oda be had mentioned on a former night, and which, he thousht, had beau miltakcu. Lie waia . . tainvt) c!;At there-bwi !iceman incteaße- of clie.snl,t rie. (4 . cici•ki Ficicr 3814.. 111 1814: the ahionnt of the clerk'' was 18,4701. ; whertds this yert'r the t4lllll iv as 24-,2301. NET..A4I6ft tttt - sad, iliac the'recerainlyitarl been fm siie.iiicerase in .t he imohnt of t hesalories in this year,,c6hipared With 1814, ttitirctitgli •rh, number (.)t clerks hid been diminished .; but . tiftkre3snii was, that the at salaries itictid's6l With letlzth rif service.. ilr. Ttehxg iniportatit• for' . the I-Jouse tihServe, that this increase bf sislitriel with ;th_e Ipitgtli rvice; wisi A growing liArdeit op the country. Mr. RAKES •the clue tiott seenied te, be, w,hether the Ilotiie would agree to !my the sante; or,a,greater sum of money, to a smaller niteuher . of clericS, It seemed to him th4t tl►e I-Loom we/tad tkpart froth its duty, if; under the it'resent eirtilinstairces, it consented to any atigitientatioti wlinteVer. any milted was made to the compassiou of the House as to s ti f le discharge of clerks or Others . froM the public rutiplOyntent, the ,interest of the publieVas too "nit to go for no-. thing.. ( The Hnitse ought to fix the proper scale for the eipotee in the brattlies of the service now ulkder:coosidenition, and not.toolloiv it to"be. geeded. : The labour done should be fairly paid . for, lint no nkire.: wished the liouse'to.be iii Pos;;.. session Of tin account of the excess of the present estimates hi the , article of sataries'of clerks, above those.atthe last peace ; he therefore Wished the delta.te to he.postponed for the present, • o that this accotijit be inriebt,ti'etft, ho• 1 111 9 )63e wished the Right lion. Gyntle oi .t a (Mr. Tierney) to withdraw • hih ameiolinek for the present. The Cnititst.siz sUggelktefl' flint , the question Tinight.nOw be pour on• the t:esulkitioir; deducting the item ittill);9sol. for . -Cletlo W'ifrie; and that the opinion of the (loosmight be taken us to this iten(lariante:fitture 111 r., Cuokr.a`proposeul.that WOOL Mould now' lie votetl , fOr 11:e Clerks, , 'and 'drat sum was not . found - sufficient, the .House Might - afterw:oils hts applied .to, • ". • N4.I I IEiISEY objected to this. He haul .no ob ,jection to ,withdraw his motion; it it was the sense of the .Couttuittee, for the purpose of Can:. sitlering the subject . : • - • • Lord ( . .- 1 6..5..rt.t.ttEtion said there was nothing' itt OR; .arguments from the other side of the' Iletise ” , nie . .n L ,Keot to, prove that the • Measotre noW pro:. posed Tits inexpedient.. • No practical pooturtot 114 )teen made out for altering the tesou.d-mode',"of canting toa No l te upon the subject io the Couitunit-. tee. There, • was nothing in the . ps.sent . voie'to pl e dge the country for maintaining one man Mitre than %vas ntcessary ; t' 4 •y woiild orcourse•he charged its anon as their services could be disis pensed with,.. The question.- would be best de cided by aollteriog to the tiriginal motion. .Nlr. I4NKF.s still wished ihe question nn that Itesoitttion to be postpoutml for the reason svhiefi haul beetvinehtioneil. M. TIERNEY repeated that be was • Tearly td ‘vi:hdra.allis ; matiga., .• Mr. PLUNKATT :%%t7il►ecl to know what had twin arrittigeci respecting the salaries of the two Secre Wks of the A(111)40(0_ Sir G. WAtiftKNWitt said', that 15091. had been. ,dedneted from their salaries,dorinfi peace. ?li. PtouNKETr oow , understood tlint.• t he 'rtirtry of the First Seiletory ivna filtts.tll4t , ,3oool. ti-year durinl pence, and. -WOOL , floring• war ; 'and that the sal try of the ~,Seconsi -Secretary to be ,;;)001. puttee and 20001,:. in tittle of war,:l—. He begged leave to say a few words opottllila snbject. The- Nob* on the subject ,of the.e saltarlei,. called Opon the 110ase to vote agiinst,A 10011,esolutiow which had beets, moved upon the subject by au 1 lonourable Mem, " ber for Wiltaltire (Mr, Metlinen)' . on the prin. yiple that ink ditte,rence should be , msde:l)c.. .• , twecn 1110 s Clarks now Irmo w a hat s they 4eie during the war. ',this pri'ncipl'e lie'ttew fou n d was abandoned.. As to thwe cientletnen'w;ho'v'rited with, the . Noble Lord,. he would 'ask _thp Noble Lord Nyhetiter he had tren i te l d, fairly ? tlll,l he would 'a'sk - tliti'se Gentlemen how they irerd to meet their Coirsttinents.after's'ach a tram.. action e.vtliik Act; imptne.to .theas any inten tion of deg_ eding the character .of ,the .I.louse ; hitt On Oita' trestion, and on the other greater rptestion of the PropOrtylax, there ' wa's soate'-‘ thiug very extraordinary to remarked.. The votoldi ott Vti,ithlt the Noble ,1.40rtl c ; alled for votes in favonr Of the Properly 'nix were, that the system borrineiug• wsia "most • ruinous anti caultlsngt , . be resorted to. Hitt miry when the decisio , „A of the blouse was against the Tax,, the. Noble Lord clningect all at once, and caw:. 119 wit to the litin3e to propose thiisyttem" of borrOw-, kterenbatiiog piditglA b trieoirs t .ri s - apport, th other principle. After such treatment, he hp-. pealed, to the Country Gentietnett ‘vhet bey Wonhl countenance this , kin'd of"pinfitt.6liip Witls LortioVho took to Itintlelf:the ;sate retracting...ptinriples , , to which he •iPada theta - ,pledge themselves. But the real renion for the Noble Ltird'4 opposition 'to the tnoloo of the lion. Member •for Wiltshire Was,. that if thalOttSe ;igrced to it, theltenlution.would- have becit'rilk corded on , the Jimmie!? .of ,tire , tiollQe, wit;ot). ~ , noti have been 41211igerorts, to the Noble fiord, who could now COttle '6) the iLotisi! in a !A* Way witla,-a u ltereil sol ilinsinitthell'estimate4. .fitet was,„that there waft no radical.dhirosi doff to economy tike /nut of Akinist here :vests it - cry fOr ecoliooty iii the cOnntry, ivtiich could .11Qt, be ,pot..tiovr : ,. and Amistiers at last • found, that.if.thcy•did-not attend to. it,,jhey would be-put dOvin. f o ord CASTLetti.icatts—The of The Hon. Gentletimo who •el)i)lie . last,' and of his 'friends, would not •betaltett.as-th,e.opittion , 4of the'lltiuse ;- anti he wr,ssure the 1 imh.e.vtrpilti put,regOate the .I.ll.lleildit are hierely thtir tliet toil. 'lime cases 'cift .1-.1 Ctentlenren - Opposiferip t Ralbject not I)'vcrt iscll: nptde out. ,Que illeht - Hon. Gent:. ,(Mr. TICT clime 64 0 y,ard pet ore the Hotts . evvi ii , fo?witkabie, pmparittoni atsil thretstl'agAitisq Mioi*ters'., lie bad tiebiyed ,the lloait.#4o listen to thear---;he'wottid 'sheer ;bent prima . ease ‘votiat rfr.akt3 out RitCII , a c:rie, that 411,1 )4Puso '' , 'alit !Mt CVCII int() Ct11111111t(Ve its WhiCh Government thigFit he heartl two!) the attbjCat. But after all this, thc Right HouAlciatictitati's prop°.