The Sun. — London, England, 1849-07-11 00:00:00

FRANCE. The National says Toe political friends of 1' Gen ral de Larnoriciere asserted at ,the Assembly on Sa:urd•►y that the gallant officer had positively re- ' fusail the appointment as Ambassador at Sr. Peters burgh. The assertions acquire a certain degree of probability, when coupled with the last vote of Gen,r Lamoriciere on the affairs Germany, and his refusal to succeed General Owlinot in the com mand of the army of R une. Wnen the policy of a Ministry is so frankly condemned it is not unusual for a man to accept a confidential mission under it:' We read in the Siècle :—" There are some facts so odious, that it is necessary to be doubly sure before we can venture to publish them. For the last two days the fact which we are about to mention has been repeated to us, but we could not believe it. To day, however, all kind of doubt has disappeared, and we can speak. An order has been given, by whom we know not, but we affirm that the order has been given to a police agent to establish him self en permanence in the gallery of the ex-repre sentatives:' The Civil Tribunal, on Saturday, decided that owing to the absence of M. Ledru Rollin, Mme. • Ledru Rollin should be allowed to receive without his authorisation his rents and revenues. The Patrie says it has received a letter from Brus sels announcing that M. Bixio, M. Ledru Rollin, and M. E. Arago arrived in thit city on the morning of the 7th. The two latter bore false names, and it was said would not remain long in the town. M. Ledru Rollin Ind, according to this letter, escaped from France in the disguise of a wavgon..r, and took a third-class place on the railway. The Patrie, how ever, does not pledge itself to the truth of this state ment, and the Brussels journals make no mention of anything of the kind. ITALY. The Contentporaneo of Rome, of the 28th ult., says that the fireigners serving under the Roman Re public, and who are not Italians, do nnt exceed 268 men. The Italians who are not of the Roman States do not exceed 3,000 men. MORTALITY in the METROPOLIS. NUMBER OF DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES REGISTERED IN THE WEEK ENDING SATURDAY, JULY 7, 1549. Epidemic, Endemic, and Contagious Diseases ...5393 Diseases of Uncertain. Seat ... ... 36 Tubercular Diseases ... 173 Disiases of the Brain, Nerves, and Senses... ... 115 Diseases of the Heart and Blood-vessels 38 Diseases of the Lungs, and other Organs of Respiration ... 87 Diseases of the Stomach, Liver, and other Organs fol -of Digestion... -.. ••• Diseases of the Kidne) 5, &c. ••• ••• Childbirth, Diseases of the Uterus, / 4 - '3. ... Diseases of the Joints, BJnes, and Muscles Diseases of tbe Skin, &C. ... ••• ••• Malformations... ... ••• ••• ••• Premature Birth ••• ••• •• ••• Atrophy ••• ... ... ••• ••• Old Age ... ••• ••• ••• ••• Sudden ... ... ••• ..• ••, ••• Violence, Privation, Cold, or Intemperance Causes not specified ... ... ... ••• DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES ... Population Enumerated, 1841 West District;... 300,711 North ll—tricts.. 375,971 Central District 6 373,653 East Dis , ricts ... 392,444 South Districts.. 501,190 ... 26 ... 32 Totals... ..... 1,943,369 1,070 Average weekly Deaths Deaths, 1844-8 in the Five Springs. Week. • 147 ... 130 • 191 ... 196 . 183 183 ~ 227 ... 194 260 ... 367 Males Fernsles ... 1,008 Males ... 1,070 • .566 • 504 BIRTHS IN THE WEEK. 635 642 Females ... Total ... ...1,277 *ln this number are iucluded 152 cases of death by Cholera, 43 by SeArl ,tine, sod 46 by Typhus Fever. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, July 10.) Suroah.—This a+Sernoon there was a gond business concluded in West India Sugar for h•.rn , trade purposes, as there were sellers of all sorts rather under Friday's rates, and the market was more abundantly supplied. Two public sales of B trbadoes, consisting of 317 hhds 71 tierces and 41 barrels went off quietly at a reduction of 61 per cwt. and rathsr more then half sold, fine yellow went at 40s 6.1 to 413 61, middling to good 383 to 40.4 and low 363 6d to 37S 6d per cwt. The total purchases are 860 hhds, &c , and the market closes with a quiet aspect. 114:FistEn.—To- day the Refined Sugar market presented a firm aspect, and there was a go •d business concludeJ, brown lumps at 51s to 51s 6d, and lair grocery 521 to 52s Gd per cwt. Bonded Crushed Sugar met with a better sale at 284 GA to 29s per cwt, and the market has a ,• firmer aspect. MAIIRITIUS.—This afternoon the market was mere freely supplied with Mauriiins Sui ar. and at the public sales prices declined 6A per cwt for grocery sorts, whilst refining kinds nearly sustained the to•mer value. The total quantity offered annunted to 7,339 bags, and nearly the whole sold. Frie and very tine yellow went at 394 61 to 42s 6d, good 384 61 t • 39i, middling 374 to 38.1, 1..,w 36s to 364 61, go pi ant fine brown 31, 61 to 35s 61. low to mini Ling 323 61 to 313, low to tine grey 354 n 394 per cwt. EAST (.Nora.—This afternoon there were six public sales ••t Bsngal Sugar, comprising 8 660 bats; the chili; portion coesisted of white and granny kinds, and about one-halt' sold at a redection of 6(1 per cwt, , ton; white were. at 44s 61 to 464 61. superior 473 to 48+, low and aril II g white Benares 39- to 40s, good fine 40. 6d to 4%14. good and fine soft yellow 37s 6d to 395, low sad tel 33+ to 36s 61 Of Madras 600 hags went at 393 to 393 61 for good strong yellow, and at 403 for fine —these are .teady rates. YAtEIGN.—Thi3 afternoon at public sale 74 bags of Pernaesbuco Sugar went at 414 for middling grey, and 37i for low. 30 baskets Java, ordinary grey 404 to 41s. 746 bags Zaexibar. middling and ordinary brown 33, 61 to 31e 6d. and middling yellow 363 per cwt; these are rather lower rates. Privet- ly little business was con cluded in Foreign Sugar by exporters. A cargo of brown Cuba sold at 19s 6d. MOLASSES.—This afternoon Molasses were dealt in with caution, and at public sale 101 pkge were mostly taken in, Barhadoes and Anricua at 204, • COFFEE.—This a f ternoon Plantation Ceylon Coffee met with little attention, and at public sale 15 casks 1,003 bags were only in part sold at rather lower rates, good and fine at 65s to 70s middlinz 513 to 551, low middling 48s to 49.4, fine and fine fine ordinary 404 to 473 Gd, triage 333 to 361 61, pea berry 543 to 61s, and damaged 334 61 to 37, 6d. Native was not more in de mand, and 120 bags at unction were taken in at 354 61 to 364 for good quality. For arrival, howev e r, 5,00' 0 bags have been sold at 35. to 35s 6d. CoCos..—British Plantation is much wanted by horns dealers, and the rates paid are fully equal to those on this day week, whilst the supply is not so large. Red Trinidad has been held with firmness at 43s to 51s, and grey 40s to 434 per cwt; the consumption is also upon a more extended scale. For Foreign the market is stile quiet at 273 to 25, 61 per cwt. TEA.— T4)-d ty the public sale of T. 4 amounted to 13,000 packages; there was a fair d ,mattd. and 2,600 found purchasers at full rates, indeed ord 00figOU wear rather higher, and realised 81.1 to Bil per lh. RICE.—To-day a public sate of 2 730 hags of Bengal Rice in bond went at rather lower rates—good white selling at 94 61 to LO4, and . dain .g-d 8s to 8.4 61 ; but 140 bags duty free were taken in at 9 for low white. The market for Rice has a dull aspect. SPlCES.—Pimento is eagerly sought after, and stiffsr rates are obtained; the supply is not larger. P. ivetely, several parcels have been disposed of at 3i I to 441. Cloves are dealt in with greater readiness, and atiffv, rates are obtained, whereas of superior • kinds the supply remains small. Nutmegs have been in excellent request, and realised rather higlier rate's. At auction 48 eases I box 2 bags were sold at from 33 61 to 34 lad for fine brown, and 2: 6tl to 3.5:1 for common to geed. The value of limed is 2s to 2e 91. Mace is wanted, and stiffer prices are paid ; 11 cases at auction sold at 2, 31 to 2.4 4d for mid„ and is lld to 2s 21 for d ana el. For JarnAics 'Ginger the home demand is good, anti prices are well - upp,e , d. whilst 60 [..k 44 at. aue ion ell retina buyers at 5/ 53 to Sit for Mid to fine, and inferior 771. Su. • perior sorts ot Eor India are wanted. and weld.' command stiff rates, but there is still a scanty supply fir exportation kinds; the everket is (plot. rind 21s in 26. is the value, sun thereis not a Varg , r supply, African is in far requeit at 33s to 38s, and is rather scarce. For Cessia Lignea there is a firm market and more Inc.; heen offered at auction; there are several: buyers, and 904 to 96e is the value. The market for Ciiina,non is quiet. Week Pepper is less iu dem..in.-I, and at auelion 1,751 hag; Jf eleber sold at 3 1 I to 3 t -1 for shot; these are rather lower rates; 102 bags and casks Zanzibar went at higher rates; fine 703 to 71s, common 42r. arid damaged 363 to 374 ip,o. cwt. CocumEAL.—' The parcels submitted to public sale. amounting t, 100 b were only in part 8(411; silvers ord to good at 3.; 7(1 to 44 Id, black 33 7d to 49 2d, Mexican, good ord silvers 3s 71, and black fair to mid 3s 81 to 33 10.1. SPrarrs.—Brandy is not so much in demand, yet • holders remain firm, and ask fully formerrates il a e s n hom e trade deliveries continue upon a large scale, • is held with firmness at Is 94.1 to is 10d and 2 4 3,1 to Geneva 31 per gall. To-day Rum was dealt in with greater readi ness,i and at stiffsr rates. Proof Lsewards were sold at Is 5d to Is 6d, East India is 31 to is 41, and Mauritius at is 3id per gall. INDIGO.—The qearterly vale of E tat India commenced t hi s d a y, Before the opening, and during the progress • of the sale, 2,127 chests were withdraen; 631 chests have assed the sale to-day. - Good and fine sorts went off' • in 4 barely the 11 sale'. rat s ; mid an )reeve y, tiverag ~ defective sorts rom 35 3,1 to 3s 9.1, however, have been in fair demand, and may be q toted 2d higher, whilst oral and low remain wiriout &written, A few chests ot l‘ladr.s and Kurballs brought the last s ilu'e valuation. TALLow.—Tl:ere are few purchasers of Russian on the spot for town or c -wary c)nsumption, , and a desire , iireVinced to sell fine P. Y. * Candle ar 384 to 383 3,1 per cwt, whilst prices tend downwards. For delivery in the last three-quarters of the year sellers are ready to ac .. cept. 38 i6d to 383 9 , 1, still few buyers are to be met with. Borne melted is offered at the moderate rate of 363 to 373 THE SITN LONDON net cash on the spot, still little buviness has been con cluded, and the supply is latge. Of New South Wales 80 mks were sold at auction at 34.4 6i to 378 22 ; 193 casks awl 720 h , xes South AMerl3llll 334 to 39,4; pkgs Cape 463 to 375, fine 413; 7es ,k 3 (lint -altar 413 t,, 32.; 12 i c asks It:that, 378 6 1 to 37 s 9 d; 18 woks Zani bar 33, 31 to 34', and 23 casks Bermuda 323 9,1 to 333 6.1 per cwt lower thsu at this time in th clanmer year. For auction 1,000 pKgs of Tallow are &d. Rough Fat is still 23 1 1 per stone. Oita,—Sou.hern—At suction 120 tuns were sold at 291ft0 311 15s for mid to tine, and at 261 to 281 fur ord. Of Sea Elephant 135 tuns went at 301 to 311 fur first and second sort. Sales to a fair extent have been made privately in Cod at 271 10s to 271 153, and there is a firm market. For pale Seal the rates paid are 301 lOs to 311 for arrival; and 311 lOs to 321 on the spot. Business to a fair extent has been concluded in other sorts; straw and tinged at 281 lOs to 301, brown and yellow 261 108 to 281. Sperm at auction 136 tuna were sold at 74/ 5s to 75/159 for fine Colonial, and 76/for Headmatter. For Linseed Oil ship pers have been buyers to a fair extent at 35s 9d to 263 per cwt. There has been little passing for delivery, still the rates asked are 26s to 264 3d, hut consumption continues upon a large scale. Cocoa Nut at auction 313 pkgs were taken in at 33s to 35s per cwt, and the tendency of prices is stid downwards. Olive sellt-r, are willing to accept 391 to 401forGsAipoli,37110stu 38/103 per tun for other sorts, 51 for Lucca in jars, 17s to 204 for Florence in half chests. Rape Oil has been operated in with caution; there is also a more plentiful supply, whilst pAe is offer-d at 364 . 6.1 to 378, brown 364 to-- 368 61. and foreign 38s to 395. Palm has been operateo in with more freedom, and the supply is yet smaller, whereas prices rule firm at 29.4 to 30s for fine, and at 26s to 288 6d for ord to good. Lard Oil is dud of sale at 36s to 40s. PRICES OF SHARES - - N BANKS, ASSURANCE. AND OTHER COM PANIES' STOCK. From the Official List. PUBLISHED EVERY TUESDAY AND FAIDAT EVENING. LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 10, JOINT-STOCH BANIKS. Name of Company. tustralasta ........ . FiritstiNorth American Ceylon •• • - CAnnsercial of Londoa ..... •- Gloucestershire • - -- • • lonlan .• • • - - • • • " an.lWestminstr - - - - Lo ►don Joint-took . • • P ivy' natal ot Ireland . • Ditto. New.• •• Nitlonal of Ireland .. Prayncial of Eng. Ditto, New. . •• •... South Australia ...... Union of Australia.... Ditto .............. Union of L0nd0n..... Union of MadriEl ..... INS tTaliN C E C IDIPANIES. Dividend Amount of Paid. Price. same of Company. per I l Annum. Share. ----- \ -- - .E s. d.I.E s. d. Albion •••••••• •• •• •• V. 10s. 500 00150 0 0 75 Alliance Brit. and For. 61 71. 4s. 6d. 100 0 0' 11 0 0 18N Ditto Marine••• •,-. .per cent. 100 0 0' 5 0 0 - A..1a 4 • • mitts. Commercial •• 7s. per share 50 0 0 5 0 0 53i Clericl,Med.BsGen•Life spr ct & ba. 100 0 0 10 0 0 19 ti minty --••••• • • • • • 31. 'lOO 0 0; 10 0 0 65 14s. 50 0 0 ! 5 0 0 - Btitle - •• E ig.& Scot. Law •• •• 51. per cent. 50 0 0 i 212 6 - idrupean Life ••• • •• 5% per cent. 20 0 0 ! All paid. 10 Family Endowmrt Soc. 4/. & be. 100 00 : 4 0 0 - ' • --eulasons' .• •••• • • • 6/. per cent. 20 0 0 ! 3 0 0 - G1,1,e -•• • • • • 61. per cent. Stock. 1 - 125 LI :4r.lian •••••• •• •• •• 51. 100 0 0 . 36 10 0 , 49 I.uperial Fire .. •• •• •• 121, per cent. 500 0 0 1 50 0 0 ' 220 I , nperial Life •••• •• • • 128. 100 0 0, 10 0 0 15 hdeomity Marine.• .. 11. sh. & be. 100 0 0 513 1 - Law Fire ••...•...••• - 100 0 0 1 2 10 0 2% i.tw Life- - •••• - - 11. 16s. 100 0 0I 10 0 0 41% Legal and General Life - 50 0 0 1 2 0 0 4% Loi.dcn Fire ........ 10s. 25 0 0 1 12 10 0 15% L-indon Ship .... - -10 - 25 0 ol'l2 10 0 1574 .larine.. .• • •....... 12s.per share 100 0 0 15 0 0 9 Med. Invlid&Gen. Lite I%S. per ct. 50 0 0 2 0 0 2% , ationaj Lvatt Fund.. 51. per cent. 20 0 0 2 .10 0 - t , . atonal Life.. • . Peitzan • • • • • . • • • • .. • • - - - - 7 . : - ,13:1iX • • • • ..... • PI otector Life.... - erovident Life•• •• •• - 11. 53. & bs. 100 0 0 ' 10 0 0 26 4uCti Life .• 'loyal Exchange 6 7. per cent. Stock. 1 - 210 Ili Fire ........... - - 2 03 !Otto Life . - - 44 rniversal Life loi pr cnt. 100 0 0 9 0 0 - .I.2toria Life . . - 4 0 0 4N BRIDGES Dividend Amount Name of Company. per of Paid. Price. Annum. Share. , - L. _a. d. L. a. d. - Charing-crose •.•• .. ••25 0 0 - £loutlwarrk,Nw Slakb.A.w. • • - c , 3 2 1 2 8 - - Ditto Nw of 7% p.c. 35e. per cent. 50 0 0 \ - Waterloo •••••• • • • • • • - 100 0 0 -3% Ditto Old Ann. of 81. 11. ss. 4d. - 60 0 0 27 Ditto Nw ditto of 71. 11. 2s. 2d. - 40 0 0 - Vauxhall .... . - AV. li. 70 10 3 - 18 DOCILE'. mpany. Dividendper of Paid. i Frio Amount " Annum. Name of Co Share. I , £ s. d. ! £ S. d. East and West India... ; 6/. pr cent. Stock. / - ' 132% E Lit Country - 1 - Loti,lou . . - - • , Itto Bonds- - - -. .1 4/. per cent. - 1 . - 1' . ic , tharine -• • .... ' 4 per cent. Stock. - ; °2 Ditto, Scrip - - - ' - ..itt. clouds .. .% l. pr cent. - - ' - 4 ,uthampton •• ...... i 2/. per cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 1 - WATER-WORKS. Dividend Amount Name of Company. ! per of Paid. Price. 1 Annum. Share. I £ s. d. .E s. d. 2.25 t London..•- ••• • • • ! 81. 100 0 0 - 176 Grand Junction •• •• •• ' 21. 105. 41 13 4 - 81 ',Cont.. --••.. • - ' 3/. 105. 100 0 0 - 77 Lambeth ...... •• • - 99 New ltivr Lndu Brdge 2l. 10s. - - 55 Vauxhall ............ 5l. per ent. 100 0 0 - 99 West Middlesex . . . 61.0 e. pr mt.. - - 191 GAS-LIGHT AND CORE COMPANIES. Dividend Amount Name of Company. per of Paid. ! Price. Annum. Share. - , , ---- --. . . X. s. d. A. e. d. I British .. - .......... 1/. 140 0 0 18 0 0 ! 14 Ditto Provincial.... 11. Bs. 20 0 0 19 0 0 18 drisiol • • ..... •• •• •• 101. per cent. 20 0 0 - - trighton •• •• -••• • •• 51. per cent. 20 0 0 - I 16 _lay of London .•.•.. 101. 100 0 0 100 0 0 ' 250 :.!ontinentalConsolidat. fl2s. pr share 50 0 0 39 5 0 3O , :,quitahle.... -... •• • • 455. pr share 50 0 0 50 0 0 i 26 imperial • • .... ••• • • • 61. per cent. 150 0 0 50 0 0 ! 6656 Independent ......... 61. per cent. 40 0 0 40 0 0 62% LondOn.• .....• ••• • • • - 50 0 0 50 0 0 ' 12A, Ditto .• ••••••• • • • • • - 50 0 0 50 0 ' 22 i'hotnix ............. 51. per cent. 50 0 0 46 0 0 1 29 Itateliff .. - . ...... • • 5/. 100 0 0 90 0 0 75 United General -••- 4%1. pr cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 1 123 y Westminster Chartered 31. 50 0 0 - 1 4 - , % Ditto, New •... - -12 s. j5O 0 0 10 0 0 1 9% C.A.N• ALS. I , t ..• , Dividend ' :Names of 1 . Dividend( . Price. Names of • ( I .leipanies. \2 \ per 1 Companies. .3 1 Price, ,a, Annum. ..q . Annur.A. - - 1 X } Ashtn it Oldh 97 \ 71. - Macclesneld . 100" 21. 10s. 1 - Bi.ruslef ••• •\ 160 121. 180 Neath •••• • • leo( Ist - it -enk&A.brg 150 ht. s 5 Oxford.. •• •• tool 21/. - , tiriningharn 35 41. 82 Peak Forest. 78 3,. 18s. - loventry..• • 1001 251. 2,0 Regent's •• • • 33 1/. 5,, 18 Derby• •• • • 'lOO 61. (63 Rochdale...• 85' 41. 54 •ills•nretChs l 133 565, I 41 Somrsct Coal 150 71.101. 130 Klre wash •• • 100 321. -- Do.LkFtlait 12161. p. c. - IV. i 83 Stfird&Worc 1 4 0, 281. 310 30 Shrewsbury.. 1 25 ; - IN. - ,4 : : r r rr a rt a l ‘di t i l 8 :U ua n u r i l i rc o e . r n j o i' 7 l l ll s o °o o o g 11._ 21 1 . 0s . ' _24 S S e t o v i e i r r li n r a l d n g d , i . 1 145 i 201. 3( 0 , „ . 2 , 3 2 . Os. I - Kinn IFe Avu: 39 is. 6d. , 5% %ye hall. -de is& Li vrp, 100 301. ' 310 Warwlck& ! tool 4/. , 57% .eicester 1140 51. 63% tlirming. ~citr &Nth 83 41. 48 Warwick& } 100j I 31. 41 L ut.thhorogh'l42 701. 650 liapton.. Monmouthsh 100 81. - Worcstr &I 78 21. 41 lintevmrysh 100 - - Birthing. 1 NfeltnAlwbry 100 - - Wilt., & ltrks - It. 10 xems - r Ore 51 , 011.)1C•r285a Conialtansitmea• 11 6 3a.xci 'rag _ ' Divta - ead Amount Name of Company. per of I Paid. Price Annum. Share. 1 --.-- X a. d. I £ s. d &ink of Scotland ,tritish Linen Company 81. per cent. 100 0 0 'lOO 0 0 200 •I'aledonlan Bank City of Glasgow Bank llydesdale Bank ••••• 6% per cent. 20 0 01 10 0 0 13 I 'ommercial Bank :?astern Bank .. ••• •• • 61. percent. 25 u 0 1G 0 e 9!. 7s FAirth.t/ Glasgow Bank 61. per cent. 5001 5 0 0 syB F.xehange Bnk of Scot 4l. per cent. 100 0 0 50 0 0 27 isle of Man. Company 71• per cent. 10 0 0 7 0 0 I - National Bank 6% percent. 50 0 0 10 0 0 14% iorth of s'cotland Bank 41. percent. 20 0 0 5 0 0 31. 09. North British Bank "•• - -.- rtoyalllank of Scotland 51. per cent. 100 0 0 100 0 0 1125 1,7 1: •t h,t l : o rt n e, re li ne a nu nk Ft i. o rt f e S a. c n o . a t I .L a . n i.r d .e 81. per Cent. 100 0 11 50 0 01 8 I , 7 7 4 1. i p . e p r r c c e e n n t t .. 6 12 0 1 0 0 0 0 60 2 0 0 0 0 ' 7 2 2 % 20 10 0 B. A ccord.Lilesad Fire 0 0 0 tiritish Guar ntee Ins. V. per cent. 10 0 0 1 0 0 , 9s 6d .'aledonian Fire Incur, 101. per cent, 100 0 0 10 0 0 1 Church of Eng' and Ins. - 21 50 0 0 2 0 0 ' 2 Cite of Glasgow Life 6t• per cent. 25 0 0 2 0 0 21. •:, linhurgh Life Instil*. 61. per cent. 100 0 0 12 10 0 ,187%s East of Scotland Life- - 10 0 0 O. 15 0 9s Eng. & Scot, Law Life 51 . per cent. 50 0 0 217 6 .Od ' E l erc ules Insurance Co. 71. per cent. 100 0 0 10 0 0 - Iniur. Co. of Scetlnd.• 51• per cent. 100 0 0 10 0 0 I - Life kssoc. of Scotland 5/. per cent. 10 0 0 1 0 0 li. 6s 4/. per cent. 10 0 0 010 0 .3, d and •• * LIB) . 5/. per cent. 10 0 0 1 0 0 163.6d6 0 11 0 5% /.pr cent. 200 0 0 20 0 0 23 1,,TN. 5.1 ,,, e t rt r it c oh a n n iat t ri i i l }t e ,fi r L e i Life 1 0 0 185.3 d Rh (near. 1 5 0 0 0 11. 2 2 4 s 0 15 0 , 1 - iNcoorttthish&LlLeastndof4Sucaort: 61. per cent. 2 1 01 0 00 0 00 0 Scot. Ma+. and Gen. Life S i c t a n n t t i i a s h rd Ur g i , l i o fe n . I . n . s . r . ny e 651.1p. per rr cent.cen t. i 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 s6d United Dep. Am - trance 51. per cent. I 10 0 0 NtISCEZZA.NEOUS. Dividend Amount Name of Company, per of I Paid. Price. Annum. Share. kustrallan Avieniturl I ------ - - --. X. s. S. i X. s. d. 100 0 0 30 0 0 16 knglo-Itexican Mint.. 11. 48. 10 0 0 10 0 0 - ca li na lt d to t , .1 . 1 . 0! Shares .... Gt. percent. 100 0 0 1 32 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 -- Uppr Canada Bonds 51. per cent. - I , - 70 City Navhrittinn .... ._- 1 - 9')% Comp. Cppr Mitre Eng. 51. per cent. 100 0 0 70 0 0 Gen. Revere. & Invest. sp, c.k bs, 2/ 100 0 0 100 0 0 90 Equitable Reversionry M. pr cent. 100 0 0 100 0 0 100 Gen.Steivn Navigation 11.8 s. 15 0 0 14 0 0 22 London Institution .• • - - 78 15 0 Russell Institution •• • • - - 126 5 0 3 Penlntlr& Orient.Stm. Si. per cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 69% ' Reversionary Int. Soc. 4%1. pr cent. 100 0 0 100 0 0 , 91 Royal Mail Steam- .. 61 18..4. p. c. BM 0 0 1 60 0 0 1 1 50% South Australian"... 11. per share. 2 5 0 0 2 5 0 0 16 INA Ditinan's Land.. - ,100 0 0 23 0 0 1% C.ipital Mao of the Branch Banks IZ'serve fund Ditto of the branch banks ... ... 1 . .67,900,000 00 _ 23,350,000 00 ... ... 10,000,000 00 ... 2,930.750 00 R.serve-immobiliere 4,000,000 00 Notes to bearer. in circulation 372,002,100 00 Ditto of the branch banks ... 35,005.525 00 Ditto to order (post-bills) ... 756 ; 388 55 Account current with Treasury creditor 22,485.241 30 Various accounts current ... 95 674.618 82 Ditto in branches 28,601,227 00 Bills payable at sight ... 3,602,500 00 Ditto at branches 1,385,304 00 Bills of the branch banks payable by the Bank ... •.• 6,533,635 88 Ditto of the Bank payable by branches.. 3.924,020 00 Dividends payable . . 3,373.167 '25 Liquidation 0t the Algiers Bank ... 179,012 44 Di counts, interest, and exp. 413,100 90 Ditto branch banks 172,564 00 Re-discounts of the last six months ... 143,693 49 Ditto in branch banks -.. ... 321,562 00 Miscellaneous ... 454,497 94 f. 683 256,908 57 Certified by the Governor of the Bank of France. D'ARG OUT. IMPERIAL PA KLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, July 10. Their Lordships assembled at Fire o'clock. INCLOSURE BILL—EXTENSION OF POWERS, This Bid passed through Committee on the motion of the Earl of CARLISLE. SITE FOR SCHOOLS BILL. On the motion of Lord REDESDALE this Bill passed through Committee. The Bishop of ROCHESTER presented petitions from the clerzy in his dioce,:e complaining of the manner in which tithes were rated to the poor. The Bishop of LLANDAFF presented a petition with a similar prayer. POR FP TRICK AND DONAGHADEE. The 9lnrqis of ULANIIICARDE laid up,n the table papers relating to the packet service between these ports, and also to the service between Belfast and Cilii.:•gQw. NEWFOUNDLAND. _ _ The Earl of HARRO%VBY presented a petition from :he colony of Newfoundland complaining of the in juries they sustained in cons , quenee of the high bousty , iven by the French and-Americans for the fishing by the ships of their respective nations On "the coast ot Newfoundland, and praying that the House would take measures to prevent the encroachment of foreign nations in their fishing grounds, and for relief flow the pecu niary burdens imposed on the c POOR-LAWS (IRELAND). Lord MON I EAGLE, who during the time he was ?peaking, tattled his b. , ek to the gallery, was unierstood ;:o complain of the inaccuracy of certain returns made by he Irish Poor-law ronunit•sitniir , . RIVER PLATE. Lord COLCHESTER rose to put the question of which he had Liven notice, in rel4ion to the affairs of the River Yl,te. He wished to know what was the pre- Amt state of our nrgotiations with the Government of Buenos Ayres relative to the pacification of the countries bordering on the River Plate? The Marquis of LANSDOWNE had every reason to belie ve that the negotiations wt rte proceeding favourably, and he had hoped that ere this he sh.uld Lave been enabled to announce ihe corciaiion of a treaty, but the deity had bet n occasioned by a well-founded hope that the French Government would join in a treaty which would secure the future trot gnillity ot the countries bordering on the River Plate, and be had every hope and expectation that such a treaty would be speedily concluded. Lord HOWDEN hoped the House would excuse the al parent irregularity of which ho was guilty in addressing their Lordships en this occasion ; but s his conduct, in regard to those negotiations, had !wen attacked, he hoped their Lordships would permit, him to defend himself.— (Hear, hear.) It was nut his desire to drag their Lordships back to the commence ment of the intervention, becau.e he could never discuv r when it originated. Each Government seemed to 1-e desirous ot escaping from the rt sponsibtlity of the commencement of an intervention which bad turned out to be ifi - 6 uesucces-ful. The commencement of the quarrel was the refusal of General Oribe to suffer Argentine prizes to be ctinfiesetitrd in Monte Videttn feirts—that was to say, that he refused to permit the property of en ally to be confiscAed and sold in his ports . Si.veral agents had been sent out by this country durir.g the proi:tess of the quarrel betw, en Buenos Ayres and Monte Video, for the purpose of effecting a settlement of the question, but all had failed in so doing. In 1847 he himself went out ; and although he was unable to settle the dispute, yet the blame did not rest with him, but with the Monte Videan party, who refused to accede to the basis proposed. There were a set of loan wengers, who swallowed up the resources of . the star- - , and who derived advantages from the blockade ot Buenos Ayres. He begged to correct an erroneous opinion that this country had guaranteed the inde pendence of Monte Video, Lord ronsonnv having ex pressly stated in 1828 that this country had only acted as a Inechater in the affairs of the United Province s of La Plata. It was with feelings of regret that h.- a me times saw great Britain embarking on political vi,yag. s in compai.y that nine times out of ten pre vented her sailing much faster and sater thin she ought o do. There was a string feeling against Rosas in 'his country, but in whatever manner he may have been treated by his fellow-citizAis, he had ever Or trded protection to foreigners. He believed that no man was more able than General Itisas to maintain an advan tageous connexion with this country. There was no essential cause of disunion existing; between this coun try arAl Buenos Ayres, though there might be an acci dental cause. He believed that it was the best policy to be especially purslued with regard to persons of Spanish origin. In eta - win-ion, the Noble Lord stated that for eery act of his &Alicia] conduct when Minister at Buenos Ayres, he had received assurances of unqualified appro. nation croft' the Government. After some brief observations from the Earl of HAR ROWBY, which were inaudible in the gallery, The Earl of ABERDEEN said, it remained to be seen whwl:er the negotiations now going en with regard to the affairs of Buenos Ayres would result in a success ful issue. He c ntessed that he was vry happy in hearing the Hebb, Marquis express himself with :,ucti con fiderce on the subj,.ct, but he ventured to think that the pronabilities of succes , dep. reted much upon whether th , question to be received rein(' d to any thing bet ween this country and Fiance. If the ultimatum was to bi sent to Buenaii Ayres tor approval, his expectation was that they would fail of a satisfactory result. The question mainly depended whether the independence of the Oriental itepubdc was to be preserven or not. The sub stance of the settlement was that which he had sent out in May, 1846. known a, the Hood b-isis, and in propor tion as they adhered to that proposition they upheld the principles of jus ice and truth. • Lord BEKUMON r withdrew the expression "job bers," applied the other evening to the persons who had raised the loan. when speaking of the Custom house. He had since then abcertained that they were all must respectuble persons. On the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE. the amended Poor Reli,f(lrelaiiii) Bill was read a first time, and the second reading fixed fur Friday. Lord MONTEAGLE laid on the table a Bill for re gulating the taxation of costs in private cases before their Lordships. • The Silver Coinage Bill was read a third time and passed. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 9: The SPEAKER took the Chair at FJar o'clock. Captain PET HELL presented a petition signed by upwkrds of 7,000 of the inhabitants of Brighton against the sale of the Pavilion. ROYAL PAVILION BRIGHTON BILL. Mr. HAYTER movedthe;;;Tdreadingof — this Bill. Captain PECHELL opposed the motion, and consi dered it a very cool one after the petition that h. , had just presented against it. The inhabitants, in order to benefit the town by the presence of royalty, gave up to George IV. land which cost them 4,000/., on which he might build the Pavilion, which, if sold, would go into the hands of private parties and he entirely taken away from the town. The Government now intended to sell the Pavilion to Mr. Cuhitt, or to anybody else, thus taking away from them that sacred ground .—(La tighter.) He hoped the inhabitants would be heard before a Com mittee of that house against the Bill; and suggested that it was due to the inhabitants of Brighton to post pone the Bill until another session. Mr. HAYTEIi mtimared that he luid no objection to the Bill h, ina referred to a S. leut C omm i t ,„ this Gallant Friend had slid that two p-aties were bit rested in this mutter—rho lord of the man- r and the inhaeit ants. NOW it was reraark , tble that here were no peti tioos from them against the Bill; but the inhakiitants o f Brighton had no legil claun. He neither admin.( d nor denied that they would have a Incas stabdi t;efure the C , mmittee; it was I , r the Committee to judge. The property belonged to the Crown, and the Crown had a perfect light to sell i$ if it thought proper. The produce of the fia!e would be applied towards the expense of the buildings at Buckingham Pulace, a% had br en already stated by the Chancellor of the Ex chequer. The inhabitants might have a p pular right, but they certainly haft no legal one. It was, however, in the pier of the House to l ore the land to the inha bitants if it thou 4 ht proper. After a tea words from Mr. W. PATTEN, Sir C. BURRELL opposed the Bill, anti considered it most ot jPeti , amble. Mr. HAY I'ER , in 'reply to Sir H. WILLOIIGHBY, said that the restrictions with reap. ct to building on the site of the pavilion would be (Amami. d. The Bill was then read a second tune. Mr. DIVETT presented a petition from Exeter in favour of th- People's Charter. Sir C. LUSHINGTON presented a petition from Westminster to the game effect. Mr. OSBORNE presented ono to the same effect. Mr. G. THOMPSON presented a petition from the parents of a child, who complained that it had died in consequence of medical relief being refused to it. He referred the petition to the Chief Poor-law Commissioner. The lion. Member also presented a pwti.ion from the Tower Hamlets, pre) ing the House to recognise the Roman Republic. Mr. Alderman HUMPHERY presented a petition from the master bakers of Southwark against the Sale of Beer Bill. OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE. Mr. C. ANSTEY gave notice of his intention this day fortnight to move the res , :lulion with respect to official correspond, nc. , of which he had given notice. CORONER OF SURREY —CHOLERA. Mr. Alikraciao 11UMPHERY wished , o puts question to, the Secretary of State for the Home Departme nt relative to the course pursued by the Coroner o: Surre3. That officer had insisted upon holding inquests on all persons dying of cholera in say . of the natona of the borough of Southwark. lie wished to know whether the Right Hon. Gentleman intended to interfere with ti-at officer tor doing so. Sir G. GREY said that he had no power to interfere with the discretion of the coroner in such cases. The Secretary of State had no power to give any direction on the subject. Areonat of Share. BANK OF FRANCE. The fo!lowing is a return of the Situation of the Bank of France up ttcruly's: ASSETS. f. 2 ,3,900,1 1 .9 67 123 020.01)3 00 191),672 18 Cash and ingots Ditto in branch banks Bills past due ••• Billa falling due in Paris, of which 15.927,012 f. are from the branch banks Bills in the branch blnli Advances on coins and ... Ditto by the branch banks ... Ditto on French public securities ... Ditto by branch banks... ... Ditto to the State on Bons du Tresor... Ditto on the loan of 150 millions ... Rentes of the reserve fund Rentes, disposable funds ... Investments of the new branch banksin the public funds ... Hotel and furniture of the Bank ... Real proper ty of the branch banks ... Interest in National Discount Bank ... • Ditto branch banks ... Bills protested at Paris Ditto at the branches ... Axpenses of administration of the Bank Ditto of the branches ... vtiscellaneous ..• ..• ••• lAdvance to the department of the 47 542,575 07 80.667 857 00 7,227,900 00 900.157 00 22,896,110 40 1,336,715 00 50,000,000 00 50,000,000 00 10,000,000 00 42,581,488 13 12,779,541 39 4,000,000 00 2,223,200 00 200,000 00 230,000 00 ••• ••., 5 376,742 09 3,326,349 00 43.829 00 804,352,64 S.•ine ••• ••• ••• ••• Loan of 3,000,000 f. to the city of Mar seilles ... 3,000,000 00 1,000,000 00 ••• f. 663.256,908 57 LIABILITIES. Paid. Dividend per Annum. 12e. per shatel 54. per cent. 71. p .1r cent. 61. per cent. W. per eent. tblper cent. - el. per cent. 61. per cent. 61. per cent. 151. per cent. 8/. per cent. 61. per cent. 6/. per cent. 51. per cent. 51 per cent. 61. per cent. 61. per cent. 61. per cent. A I . d. 40 0 0 50 0 0 25 0 0 100 0 0 100 0 0 25 0 0 100 0 0 50 0 0 100 0 0 10 0 0 AO 0 0 100 0 0 20 0 0 25 0 0 50 0 0 40 0 0 2 ■. d. to 0 0 50 0 0 25 0 0 A 0 0 25 0 0 25 0 0 0 0 13 0 0 10 0 0 25 0 0 10 0 0 22 10 0 35 0 0 10 0 0 22 10 0 25 0 0 2 10 0 10 0 0 40 0 0 ?rice. WEDNESDAY EVENING-. JULY 1 smiru O'BRIEN. Mr. C. ANSTEY, seeing the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary State for the Home Department in his place, wished to ask him if it was true that Messrs. martin and O'Doherty were sent out to Van I)►emen'a Land in a vessel in which cholera had broker► out, and which was not considered fit to receive Mr. Smith .O'Brtell and the other State pri sorters. Pe► baps the Right lii n. Baronet would be good enough to state, at the same time, if Government received a ci rtificate of the state of Mr. Martin's health before he was sent out. Sir GEORGE GREY said the matter admitted of easy explanation. When Messrs. Martin and O'Duherty were sent to the vessel the cholera had not broken tint at all. He was not aware if such certificate as .that rc i'erred to by the Hon. Gentleman was received or not. VENTILATION OF MINES. Mr. FORBES aakrd the Right Hun. Baronet if ,his attention had been called to a Bill introduced by the Honourable M. mber for Portland ou the subject of ven tilating mines, and if so, if it was the intention of Go. vernment to give it their approbation. Sir GEORGE GREY replied that on the motion for the second reading of the Bill introduced by the Hon. M. saber fur Finsbury a general opinion was expressed that legislation on the subject should be delayed until next session, when they would have the report of the Lords' Committee and of the two inspec• tors, and if, therefore, the Bill were pressed he should certainly► oppose it. COALS. Lord IL VANE wished to ask the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether his attention had been directed - 10 the high duty imposed by France on coals imported info that country by sea, compared with that levied on coals imported on the land irontier by the Meuse, and through the department of the Moselle; and whether, in the event of his attention having t , a*ti directed to that subject, he entertained any hope that the French Government will consent to equalise the duties? Lord PALMERSTON said some communications had passed on the subject between the two Governments, but waling had passed in the matt( r within the last twelve mouths. Ills own impression, however. was, that the regul oion referred to by the Hon. Member were op pued to existing tretties between the two nations, and efforts woull be wade to get rid of it. JUVENILE OFFENDERS. Mr. M. MILNES then ruse to cell the attention of the Haute to the treatment and condition of juvenile criminate in this country. There was no subject, he .aid, of more inalyirtance and interest to the statesman and philanthropist than that of prison discipline, but it was a strange circumstance aat the one branch of it, which was involved in the least difficulty, namely, the treatment of juvenile offenders had teen almost entirely negl.cted. J uv. tulle criminals were increasing daily in this country, and it would appear somewhat singular, but it neverthe less was true, that they were treated as men. Wh: n he said this question had obtained very little at tention he knew very well something had been done with regard to penal treatment of young offenders. At Parkhurst they had established a penal school in stead of a prison, bac stitl it was an establish ment essentially and immediately of a penal nature, and one in which the re'ormatory character was utterly forgotten. The boy from fatkhurst was thrown upon the world with an unfitness for independent acti , ,n, and destitute of the ability to serve his country as an honeet - eitiz-n. Very little reflection might have taught them that it could hardly have been otherwise, becaufe what had been dune at Parkhurst had been to give a bor a s rung impressian of punishment; they has done nettling to improve his herint or to awaken hie conscience; they hail doge nothing absolutely of a re tormat-ry character. He (Mr. Milnes) would rcc nd the rstablislim , nt of some such asylum fur imitial youth as w found in the Pnilat.thropie n, which was of long date, but it had only risen into vigour end promise under the guidance and eeergy of that remarkable man, Mr. Sidney Turner, and in come the model for the Matteriti in France. It was not tor him (Mr. M. M Ines), under present citcum stance', to lay down any distinct Ilan under which a measure of that kind might be adapted to the large prison population ; but he would suggest, as the Noble Lid the Member for Bath in.d by a late me asure established in all the counties iii England tit arid proper asylums for those persons who had been unfortunately deprived of their reason, estab lishments of a similar nature should be formed for the purpose of reforming from the ways of inevitable crime that enormous body of youthful offenders. On a rough ca eulstion between 70,000 anti 80,000 pt , rto-ns came under the !mike of the law in the in' tropes and the aojacent districts, and at least a bete nth • part of those persot.s were under thirteen years of age. He thought that in the first place slight corporal punishment should be administered to juvenile offenders by the constable of the dis trict; for the second offence the child should be sent for one or two y. ara to one of those reformatory heuses; and fur the third off.nce to be sent to one of those est eblish meets terse loug a pee: iod as even five or six years. The 9th of Victoria was passed at the instance of a lady, who, from her sympathy with her suffering felow creatures, might be placed on a parallel with Mrs, Fry— he meant Mies Murray; but, notwithstanding the excel lent provisions of that Bill, it had remained niopera tire, because the Government had, from some cause or other, nut made use of that valuable instrument placed in their hands. Notwithstanding all they had done with respect to summary convictiens, crime was still on the increase; and whilst no proper provision was made ter the reforimtion of juvenile offenders, it would continue to increase. Why could they not sea.; them to the colonies, to become there useful atiet reformed members of society? The colonies, which would shrink wish horror at receiving a number of old transports, would receive with gladness children. He was cone-nt to leave the question in the haunts of thc- Right lion, Baronet, who, he trusted, during thy reeeis would direct his attention to this important eubj , et, stet that in 'another session he would not leave it to ay. individual Metrib- - r of the House. Next se-sion he trusted the Right Hon. Baronet would have male a *ter in the right direction; but it he conceived the subject unworthy of his attention, and did not stir in it, he ( tit Milne.) should, par aft. r year, press it upon the atten tion of the House', in order to destroy that mora anomaly u , conlomiding the crime of the man with the delinquency of the child. He moved for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the laws relating to the retorrnatior. of juvetlile - off.ciders. - • Mr. HUME seconded the motion. Sir G. said he should be ready to acquiesce in the motion it he really thought his Hon. Freud had a Bill in his possession. Mr. MILNES said he intended his motion to apply to the introduction of a Bill next year. Sir G. GREY said he quite agreed with the HOn. Gentleman in most that he had said. With him, h. theught that far wore might be dine with the young edict:eters than with tivise of wore mature years, and that the Government should apply themselves more to the re forwstion of the young than to thosk• of advanced age. It should be remembered that Parkhurst was not a p• nal school, but a prison, and that very great good had resulted from its operations. It had been esta blished ter the reception of youths between fuurte. and sixteen, who having committed offonces which subjecttd them to the penalty - of transportation, were sent there at the recommendation of the judge or the chairman of the quarter sessions; and after a time, if their conduct was good, they were sent abroad tip some colony where they would be free from all liability to contamination. The prison combined two elements. the reformation of the inmates and punishment for the penal offences which they had committed, and the object which Parliament had in view in establishing it had been fully answered. The chief evil of the present system was short terms 0. imprisonment fr• quently with respect to persons ol tender age, who were, by that means brought in con rexion with persons of a more advanced age and of a more hardened character, and who came out of prison much worse than when they went in. The Honourable Gentleman had adverted to the Act lately passed, giving power to summarily con vict, and he (Sir G. Grey) was happy to state that the results of it had been most satisfactory, and that the punishment which it inflicted was looked upon with more dread than any other kihd of punishment. He should he happy to consider any suggestion that could be thrown Out for the more satisfactory treatment of jUvelin , ff:ti ders, but h. hail to pro:est against the us.umption that the s.ui - ..j , ct " a' free Clow all difficulty.— (Hear, bear.) The Philauteroeic S.cieity adulate d that it %vete atteeded with great diffieuhies. In the report of the society a iitonbur of ye:10.41)1e suggestion. were throw n Out, among which was one that parents should he m a d e liable to t he support of their chitoren who, through their neglect, became inmates Of any of our prisons or reformatory institutions. Although, however, he considered that a very desirable object, becatheit would Induee parents to takt. greater care of th• it otf.prtng, .nd not send them into the world un protec ed, yet it might give rise to c .nsiderable litiga ion. He beg:ted to assure the H• n. Gentleman that his at tention would continue to be directed to that sub ject, and that he should be h4ppy to Lao into conside ratio❑ any suggestion that could be offered to the Government. Mr. BANKES said that the tit stim of serviratien that was sugeested could not be carried ..ut in D rchest.-r. The Secretary of State had put a stop to the gaol ac commodation that was propes , d by the =llov - rates there, who had agreed to expend upwards of three thou sand pounds upon it, and had suggested the adoption of a plan that would cost ten thousand pounds, which that county could not afford. He was happy to hear that with respect to juvenile offenders the attention of the Government had been directed to that subject. As to the system of classification, he did not think it could be carried out. He cordially wishel success to the motion of his Honourable Friend, and thought that he could not do better than support the Bill that had been brought in by her Majesty's Government. It was a step in the right direction, and as much as he thought could be expected during the present session. Sir J PAKINGTON expressed his regret that this question had been brought on at this late period of the session, and with the object expressed by the Hon. Mem ber for Pontefract. He was rather surprised that the Ifenourahle Gentleman had concluded with a motion for leave to introduce a Bill, as he expected the Honourable Gentleman intended to move the appoirtment of this Committee on the suhj-ct. When the Itigi,t Hon. Gentleman the Secr' tary of State or the Home Depa•tment cmne into office he had sum; conversation with him on this subject, and he cer tainly ha l been in hopes that the Right Honour able Baronet would ere this have introduced Bill to authorise the construction of an establishment for 'the reformation of juvenile offenders. He thought it highly desirable that a Committt e should be appAnted to advi-e the House in thiS matter before it was further proceeded with. Mr. HENLEY trusted the Hon. Member for Ponte fract would go one step further in the matter, and bring in the 8.11 of which he had given notice. Of course h, could not hope to pass it this session, but it would add to the general fund of information which had been col lected on the subject. Sir GEORGE GREY was ignorant of the facts re lated by the Hon. Member for Dorsetshire, but he would cause inqeire to be made into them. Mr. M. MILNES would follow the advice of the Hon. Gentleman opposite, and lay his Bill on the table before the house separated. The reason he had dela) ed the introduction of this question so long was becaus- he hal been in daily expectation that Government would take it up with vigour. Leave was th. n given to bring in the Bill. CEMPORALI I'IES OF THE CHURCH OF IRELAND. Mr. BERNAL OSBORNE then rose pursuant to notice to move for a Ci.mmittee of the whole House to consider the present state of the .tempo ralities of the Church of Ireland. The Honourable Gentleman, he said, the Member for Pontefract, in in. troilucing the very useful me 'sure he had just brought before the House, had told the House how difficult it was for any individual Member to grapple with the subject of the treatment and the formation of juvenile offenders. If it was difficult for an individual Member to bring such a subject before the House, how much more difficult it was for an independent Member of Parliament, totally unconnected as he was, not oily with the Gov, rnuaeta, but with any political party to brill.; forward the question of which be had given notice fur this evening. (Hear, hear.) However he might regret that the great names and ability which were formerly devoted to the discussion of this question were no longer available for the purpose, tt, least he could not be accused of showing any undue presumption in now submitting it to the notice of the House.--(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Whether it was that the aspect of Irish grievances had been more rink and offensive to gentlemen on the opposite benenes, or that the Irish repressintatives m,ielves. as a body, were indifferent to this subj. ct he knew not, but this qu. s nion of the Irish Church, which was formerly the gather ing cry of the Whigs, had been within the list few years entirely laid aside, and that instrument, on which so many hartnoiiiouu tunes had hi en played, was now like the fabulous harp of Tara, hung up mute. and remained unstrung.—(Hear, hear.) However Hon. Gentleman differed wiih him on this question. they would not be inclined to say that it eas not one of the gravest consideration. Where the whole eccL siasttcal revenu•s of the countr , were devoted to one-tenth of the p ,pulation, and ►ha' one tenth of the people the Protestant minority, an 4 where the religion of the majority in bu winked at by the State, he could not but think such a question was iu ittek if worthy the gravest conside ration of this House. He thought there was no Member of that House, who, if even they had to commence legislating this subject ye novo, would be inclined to take those funds founded by the auces!ora of the p ior Catholic ma jority, and bestow them upon the spiritual education ..f the rich Protestant minority.—(Cries of "Hear, hear.") fie should give one of the beat thfinitioni he, knew of the Irish Church in a very few words.. It was the opinion of a great Conservative statesman. He arid. " You hava uu acoloriastical establishment which, though the religion of' tha Prince and most of the first-class of landed proprietors, vvas the ra;gion ot the major part of the people," That was =aid by Burke in 1796. And how stood the case in 1849? It Wad true tney had corrected some flagrant abuses, but the evil still existed In 1823 the question of the temporalities of the Irian Church was first mooted in that House by that, pioneer of all modern improvements, his Elonourarde Fria nd the Member for Montrose. Unlike the generality of original prj ctors. whose projects were treated in their time as the off•praigs of political k mpirickni, he had lived to find them carried out by the leaders ot both parties, and who, nevetttiel-ss. never laid claim to them but pursued the " even tuner of his way"— (Cheers)—and haF pi y ccintinued in pristine strength and adhered with stern consist. ney to the :wntim-ifts of his early days.—(Hear, hear.) That motion as sup ported by Mr. Ward, the late Member for Sheffield, and ny the pre-.eat President of the Board of Con rod, and the Prime Minister. For eight y-ars he c .litinu-il this curse, at.d Was supported in it by of some of those tiow in the Cabinet. At length, Lod Al:horp brought in a Bill on the subject, which aboiished vestry cess, but the 147th clause, or the appropriation clause, was in an evil hour abandoned. A remarkable de bate ensued, which was fully reported in "Hansard." In , hos , . days arbitration was much needed, for several Mem b. were called out. Mr. Hume and Mr. O'Conn'll up posed the Bill, and Mr. Stied mad., a ap ech whieh would never be forgotten. He regretted he did not `avour the House with apt,ches so often a. the Houss could wish.—(Hear, hear.) Upon that occasion Dr Lushington entreated the Muse to adjourn, since in his experience he had never seen the decencies of public and private life so much violated. The Bill was given up. Still. Mr. Ward persevered in 1835 In 1834 Mr °Vomit-II had made hk groit m .tion for retold, and h, was met wilt - an amendment, But it was desirable to promote all important inprovements. On the 30th of March in that year Lord John Rus'ell braughi on a motion on the sunject, and the Parliament ot that d h iy passal the Appropriation Bill. Still Mr. Ward w.-no on making his annusl motions. In 1843, Mr. Smith O'Brien, who whatever his f -ults were was an honest Member of Parliament, brought forward a motion. In that year the present Chancellor of the EXchcquer said the first evil of Ireland was the state of the Irish Church; that in no country of Europe was ~u ch an establishment maintained for the nenefit of a small minority of the pepulation; and he considered it .he duty of the Goverin. - nt to originate a re.t.edy tor the evils complained of, and to provide for the settle ,nent of the question.—(Hear. hear.) The Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland also made a very animated speech —(A laugh)—on that occ.sion. He (Ar. (Morrie) did ~ ot use the term invidiously; he meant that the Right lion. Baronet was excited. (The lien. Genii- malt proceeded to read some passages from the speech of Sir . Somerville, who said, he had heard, but did not believe, that it was not the intention of the Government to re. pen the question of the Irish Church, and who appealed to the Conservative and Christian gentlemen of England whether, if they were in the situation of the !Nish potpie, they would submit to that establishment, uldimg;that he little knew the spirit of the English fation if they would not resist it.) He (Mr. Osborne) wished "to ask that Right Honourable Baronet, as a Con servative and . ft Christian gentleman, whether he was new - prepared to resist that Church? e --(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) The Right Hon. Member-for Ripon also said,. during the sow. debate, tnat he admired the Irish Church to be the most important of all subjects—ore which he feered -- lay at' the bottom of all their difficul ties: Lord Howick, now Earl Grey, said on the same occasion, that if they meant to have peace in Ireland ;hey must reform 'the Establish - el Church-- - -(Hear, hear) —that they must not shirk the question, but must deal with the property of that Church. On that occasion seven of the present Cabinet Ministers voted for the Motion. In 1844, so much afraid was the Noble Lord at the head of the Government lest the question should tie taken out of his hands by Mr. 'Smith O'Brien, that he moved for a Committee to inquire into the state of Ireland, and a remarkable debate took place. (The Hon. Member here read passages from the speeches delivered by Lord J. Russell and Sir G. Grey in the Course of that debate. The Noble Lord said:—" With regard to the Irish Church, the system I should be disposed to adopt would be one which would put the Established Church, us regards Roman Catholics and Protestants, upon " a footing of the most perfect equality. Sir G. Grey said that when he was told the question of t h e Irish ChUreh was beset with difficulties, he denied them to be difficulties sufficient to deter a Minister of the. Crown from dealing with u; and that no hing ap• neared to him worse, nothing more has irdous, than 'for Parliament to declare that they would not entertain the question of the Irish Church because it was beset with difficulties; adding—" The union must be maintained, but a complete union never can , be effected so long as the Established and endowed Church of the minority exclusively ex i s , s .”—(Hear.) Th e w h o l e of the ()resent Cabinet, and of the present race of Lords of the Treasury, and people of that , class—(A laugh)—then voted, he believed, for the Noble Lero'a motion. The last time the qeestion of the Iris'i Church had beenalis cussed in that House was in 1845, when Mr. Ward moved are amendment upon the proposition ot the Right sal m ilu ber for Tamworth with respect to the College of Maynootb. He did not know how Irish Members would act upon this occasien, but he could gain an lidding of t h e c ourse some of these Hen. Members would adopt from what had, already taken place. The Hon. Mets.b.-r f ,,,, go4eoinnion had said, that this was not the proper time tor bringing forward such a auhivot; that it ssould tend to excite discotd. Now, 'be , found that the Hon._ Gledtleclau bauever; iu the course of his lougrarliamen• tart' career. given a vote upon the subj.ct of the Irish Church. He (Mr. o,borite) believed the 11-rrtur.bie Gentleman had been very much pressed to vote en the appropriation clause, but he was too much idin rifled with some high dignitaries of the Church to voiniuit what would hav e b een a su i c id a l act 'on his parr. He (Mr •Osborne) might answer 'hat 1I -n tna i's ohFctten that this was net the proper time Oir such is discussion by the 'tbs. rvation s made by the M.0.-ter of the Mint, then Mr Shed—(Litigh - er)—ln 1833. in reply to a similar objection. That Right Hoe. Gentleman, at*Vr observing that it had been argued that that was nut the proper time for changing the appropri• ation of the Church temporalities, went on to say:— " Not the time I Whin is it to arrive ? Before the Reformed Parliament it was not the time until the Re formed Parliament; here is the Reformed Parliament, and the time has not yet come. When will it? Warn the Whigs are in opposition? What: If we are to wait until their official convenience tallies with the rights of Ireland, we shall have to wait long indeed."—(Laughter.) He (Mr. Osborne) hoped the Government did not Intend to move " the previous question" as an amendment on his motion. He thought the best definition that could be given of the present session was, that it had been a session of previous questions; for on searching the de. bates he found that in no former session had ' the pra vtous question" been so frequently moved. People on of doors were somewhat puzzled to imagine what the errvions question meant. It was nothing more than a Parliamentary el ight of hand, used to cut the ac quaintatic, of an old friend who had been usslul in op position, hut who might be inconvet.ii-at to a party in power. He (Mr. Osborn - -.) did not regard this as a mere question of money, but he would have the financial re formers of England look about them, and remember when the tax collector came to the &ars that a great ut.al alas levied to maintain an army of occupation for the suiport of the Irish Church. He reg,irdid this as an impartial qwstion, as well as an Irish question ; be cause whatever measures they might pass, s o l ong as they left the Church of Ireland in i.s pre-ent state would Ireland be not only the difficulty of a r, ttut the e nbarrassurent.of an empire.—so lung would the Noble L - ird be justifii d in coming doen to the House ir:d say as he did in 1844, that Ireland was occupied and not governed; and so long would lieland remain in the state so graphically described by tree Hopourabl, Mem ber for Buckinghamshire, of social decomposition.— (Hear, hear.) Referring to the past history ot Ire land, the Han. Gentleman observed that the Reforma tion in Ireland was carried out on the great Whig prin ciple of api•ropriation, the original reformeas caring little about Irish souls, but a great deal about Irish ptoperty. —(Loighter.) Cronies - , the Archbishop of Armagh, denuttheed the reformers as the Socialists of that day, who under the plea of rel rw wer., plundering and spoliating the country; and Leland. a Protestant writer, records in his his ory, that the gross lives of the re- form , rs constittred a great draw back to the Reforma. Lin. The history of the Irish Church, in the tune of Elizabeth, was written in characters td blood, for that molter , h, though a good ['use) itt, in this country, was a bitter Presbyterian in Irel,nd; and when Lord Strati: :rd was expostulated with for his cruelties in Ireland, lie gave as his excuse that his object was to int:tease the revenue; so that the. Roman Calla cs were to , bed tor the advanc.mi nt of Prot.-statitism.—( Hear, and laughter ) The policy of Cromwell was explained by one word— extermination; and it was in his tim e th at t h e I r i s h Roman Catholics were off red the agreeable alternative of tied or Connaught.—(Hear, hear.) Li 1688 ant gained nothing by the English iinporiation of a lluteh .iontrch but persecuti.,n; and WiTam 111., in his last speech to Parliament, a :id he !ITO that all distinction*, in his kingdom would cease except those betwes II Papists and Protestants. Passing over the various penal enactments ad , pted, he mentioned as a n-ma, kabie tact that Bishop Mau& excused them not only as being tier the security of the Protestants, but al , o for the benefit of the Catholics. When he refl 'cted on such an excuse he could nut lo 1p exclaiming— " W. form , utos niwiuw, sua at bona norint." —(Laughter.) In 1723 a Bill was passed—and he would ettal euge the production from the at nals of any other country of such an Algerine Act—by a cause in wtich it was attempted to degrade the Roman Catholics to a level with the slavish guardians of a Mahometan harem. They all knew how th.• union was tifected; they knew that union votes were bartered for Irish bishop rics, and how, after a period of 300 years, this Protes tant Church in Ireland, notwithstanding its receipt of great revenue end possession of political supremacy, stood very ouch in the same perition as at first, though he granted that the clergy had improved. They might revile the 1t , ,M411 Catholics as beggars, but they could it taunt them as apostates, for their cretd they had re• toned through famine, pestiLnce, and persecution; and Ireland lay ltk L zarus at the gate, whilst the Estab iish•-il Church, like 11:v,s, was clothed in purple and fine linen, the highest orders in the insiitution feasting :•timptuotiely every thy.—(l-lear, hear.) IL: meant no ✓tfl,ction on the clergy of the lower classes, but he lin puoed the system under winch they were ministers. But it might be said thst there was no pers:cution in the prest.nt day, and why then make any a4era tian when the It arm Catholics were loyal and con tented? Was this so unitOrnaly the ease ? Why, he found the Prot-staot Bishop of Watt‘rn rd stating, in :,nether place, on the 5,h May, 1849, tnat in the last year, out ut stpopulstioa of 80,060 Rotnan Catholics in - a. district, ord:w eighteen perso•,a sp.cial con stablrs; while out of a population of 5.000 Protestents 280 persons became special constables. Ile (Ar. o , borne) therefore came to the conclusion that there must be something widen prevented the Roman Catholic population from bAng attached to the pre6ent system. [he lion. mber here referr, dto a letter writtt nby Lard Clarendon and read in the House ut Commons lasi year, relative to the indisposition of the popul (non ii. certain dis , ricts to support the authorities in their at tempt to sitl press rem-Ilion, and observed that if he were to ask those lion. Nletnhers particularly connect , d with Ireland why this was the case, he was sure their swer would be, that it arose from tins circumstaace 0. ul,justice ilevi,r having been done to that c untry ; anti tram England vensistiog tt alt t,z rds iii maintaining def.alnity of the Prowstant Churn h.—(tiear, bear.) lie knew that the-re was a large and respectable party in Leland who meant by ••justice to Ireland" identity of institutions in r, spect to Doi h countries. He totally dissented how that doctrine, which he regarded 44 a tallac). lb.. tnisfortui , e was ih 4 they had endea voured to suit the English law and English notiens— ne result of long ie asperity and of the habits of the English people as a nimmercial nation—to Ireland. le, so acting, the G..ve!uulenc took for example the fir.., political econoinist of ttetiquic.,Procruates, and had en deavoured at one time, by p , nal laws, to stretch the Ca tholic couNcience, a. dat one, her to cut short the means or the Li h people by regulations applied without re terence to th--ir r-elings an i ens otni.—([lsar.) It Ws, most ...xtraorditiar) t.that this pr c•ice was apish. d II Ire land alone. See. laud ret doted all he r native litsii•uttot., civil and criminal. Englatid tried to saddle her .iitt bench of bishops arid an English Church, but Se-tia,ilit refused to have them ; end be observe i that 1.230/ a year was vo!ett to the. Scotch Epise-palian clergy, write' money no Scotchtnan refus,d to receive, hreiu e, as h sepp„seel, it was split in the coueetry.—(L iughter.) The cons. vence of governing Scotland through the sentiments of nationality and affection was that Scotland was quite an inexpensive neighbour, and required tb prest nee only of two thousand soldi. rs at the existing time.—(Hear, hear.) But, on Ireland An glic in laws WI re imposed ; Irelisnel fail not (we naive ihstitUtion, except the constateulsry, itetroduee d by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite; it had a tier , Prote.;ant Church; and while the , Presbyterians receive(' .he Regium l.otrum, the Roman Catholics were ne-gl, cod. r ine Coils-till :we wit‘, that in Is - cland an army was re (pored nit 50,000 tn. n. including pensioners and police. Would it not, 'hen, be more wise to rule Ireland, as Scotland was ruled, through the sentiments of nationality and affecti-m? Was this system of Protestant ascen, worth the money paid l'or it ?---(llear, hear.) L o rd Lansdowne once asked whether Ireland was intended tot the benefit of the ('hutch, or the Church for the benefit • f Ireland,auti he(Vir. Osborne) should be obliged if the, ileum. Secretary would answer that gee:6oll.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) What were the use and objet of crutch estalkstnuen.? The Prime Minister had ex pressed an optiiimi that a church establishment was, ti , t to m tirrain the offspring of the clergy in weal h, bur. that it was intended for the spiritual iizstruetion of the people ; and the Untler•Seeretary for the Home De pin:meta, in a most Lurie work en the influence of authority in matters of opinion, expressed the ,entiment that a Government in &tiding she gm's tion of endowment must look to the numbers o' he persons constituting religi us denomiiiatt,un. The Bishop of London likewise said that the ques whether a church establishment was to be trk,iin rained, was to be only answered by another, pain. ly whether it impeded or promoted the spiritual improve ment of the people? The Hon. iiletnber here said he to ilice the questi o n o n th a t. groun d , and observed4swiijig t i hat ' it was curious to see, when the expan.iv. n store of Protest.intism was talked about, how the Ito• man Cath,ities had progressed and how the Protestants had dintinish. , l in Ireland, under the influenee tit tto Establishel Church. He here referred to ditlerent ac• counts of the proportionate amount or the Roman Ca tholic and Protestant populations in Ireland at verities periods since 1672 to 1841; t;bserviil that during that space of time the Roman Catholics had increased as 7 to 1. He proceed,A to say tat it also appear , d from the report of the Commissioners of Public Instruction ill 1837. that there were 99 benefices with le.s than 20 Protestants in h; 124 benefices havirg between 20 one and j e r s o t t a e i n and 41 benefices with ou t hear.) A most fallacious *ay of viewing this question of the amount of Pro testants in Ireland was to refer to the report of the amount of church sitt'ngs in .hat coun.ry ; for m th, church which he attended the number tit sittings was put down at 200, though ends 25 persons attendeit.—(Hear ) I , the diovese of Lism- re there acre .everal t,aristie. ii• .Rich th re we-re no I'm 't• slap s , aid 111 on , - par 81) the paid to 4 vet) , tine pirl.—(Louen • rect.mal tithes w. re er ) In anoth r place (Churchtown, we understo. d the Hon. Nletnbtr to sai) the rector went to church to preach one day, and he tout,d a gth).r. hatching .ggb in :he put pit.—(Renewed laught. r.) In the diuce.e 01 Usury it alight be expected that more Protest4nts wou d be fount, there, as, with the exc. priori of two krge estutPs, th, property there was held ixelthively by Protetants; but Mr. Sergeant Shee, in his t "On Vie Church of It nue in Ireland in relation to the Stat , ," relattd that in - incumbency of Calla], )ietding 2,1971. a year, hr observed that the chapel of the Rev. Mr. Mulhogs and the chapel of the Augustin Fraaliwere fully atonded, but that the corset...gage's in the pari.h, church consisted of 87 persons only. noisy us thep, chiloren, and 10 st.l abr. qu'irteied in the WA n, and who could not be tdten as forwing part of the regulsr hear.) The lion. Gentleman said, that Jur the bEntitual care of the 853,000 Prk.t,siants in Ireland, there w re established - two Archb:shops, ten Bistiops, and 2 770 clergy. The vulue of the Archbishopric of Arma g h was more than-12,0001., and of : the , other Archbishopric above - ' a year. The - Biebop vf Oithor had 8 0001., and the Bishop of Derry coont, and the elagY genieredy the enormous sum of 688 8381. .tie did not reckon in that value the palaces and park. tor we hi.hops, or the gli be-houses for the clergy. By anoth.r return he tound that the total church lanes in Ir,llasd amoureed to 776 384 acres, which 'teethd give a veil large annual rental at only 11. per acre rent Besil P : oil, he ( Mr. Osherne) liked up ei Dublin reieets ll / a- being a branch, or an internment of the Chursb• l'heen there was t be consel ere d the matey bo lo 3 000.0001., w e understeod) edveneed by Perhanwa t -,trace the union. —(Hear, hear.) " But," said an P e ni s ' Gentleman the other ni g h t , t a ki ng t h e argument o f I"" Primate of Ireland, whose word he represented as better than another man's oath, "Itis a delusion, a claptraP' to call the Irish Church wealthy; divide the property equally- among the 2,200 clergy, and they would ba re 11 but 2001. a year apiec e ." Th e curates were never cell upon in the regulation of c h urc h revenue—(Hear, h e at) —but when the object was to make out the Church P a ' verty-stricken then we heard of them—(Hear, hetir)" and an expectation was raised which it was never tended to fulfil, and the cry was, " See what it will be if these [emir fellows get their rights"--which the pat' ties had not the must remote idea of giving theta; (Hear, hear)—making the statement merely to delude the Reuse; he (Mr. Osborn e ) did not mean to say that of the Hon. Member, but he believed the Primat e ' in spite Of hie respectability, did purpose to delude th e public.—(Hear.) But was that th e p roper way i n whi ch to put the question ? Was not the right question this 5 what was the nscessity for having t h ere 2, 0 00 cleriP; men, and whether it was nut highly expedient that t h , number should be 'educed . to the level of the wants 0 ' the people ?—(11-ar, hear,) In France, with sou?, • 30,000,000 of Roman Catholics, the revenue o f the': Church was about 1.500,0001. The P res byter o l Church of Scotland, which Adam Smith d esc ribed! Ines, effective iu improving the morals of' th e peep'!" hat 58,000/. a year in his time, and had now nesrii, 200 000 E. ; but wou ld t h an give 2001, a year to each tie ni=ter ? In Ir e l an d, f or 800 000 Protestants, there w et t 1,643 benefices, a staff of 2200 ministers, with s 0 , 0 pt ,IviSion of 680,0001., an d for the ministers o f t) 7,000,000 of Catholics not hi ng at all.—(Hear , be!! j' Was nest the exclam a ti on o f L ord Carlisle justt's 'hat there was la Church w i t h out f aith, clergy with be flocks, the worst gains of the sinecurist kept up u pon t a worst principles .of the bigot ? Th ere was a ma ten difference bet :seen " a good Protestant" in England s e v in Ireland. In England that t erm meant a an man," who went to church, gave a l ms, and conduct hirns,lf in a decent respectable manner.—(A laugb: s ; In Ireland " a good P ro t estant " was a phrase ar plied to a man who con t i nua lly rev il e d the Roman Cap thoic faith. In Elizaaeth's time the " good ProtestO - call d massacre end spoliation pl ant i ng re li g i on and.civi; lizstion; under the Commonwealth he was a man. Wil e d would bring back the terro rs o f th e Old Testament ail, totally forget the mild d oc t r i nes o f the N ew; a f te r Revolution he added another article to the Thirty-n n/ a —" The glorious, pieus, and immortal memory." Pe n P o s who would probably hardly find on e ot h er point which they 'wren d joined in hating P o pi s h d oc t r ines al ; loving Popish property—(A laugh)—and th ese desee dents of Cromwell 's troopers and Willi am ' s mercer r a a ries, in the present day, wrapped up their cause with e e Established Church in Ireland.--(Hear.) In Lunch r , the question of th e p ro p ert y o f t h at C hurch, he („0 Osborne) was aware that he should be told it "a: sacred. That was always s o; b ut t hi s cry o f " sac lege" was set up at the Refortnation *irh muc h belt., pretext than new. M. n somehow confounded t hiir ritual convictions Kith their worldly interests.—(He y ' But there wa• no awslo e y b e t ween coreorate and plc], property. So said Lord Ch ance l lor Brougham, to tog that the Church rec e i ve d i ts property f or t he e el' tormance of ct.rtain servi c e s , w h ereas private pron was held unconditionally, and th at toe pay o f t he nr":;, might as well be cill- d inviolable, a s th at o f t he Chlil Mackintosh might also be quoted. - Warburton Ist down that the state might resume ',bat the state E st No. Minister had ever stated in that House that 1 ",.0, was an analogs between corporate and private proP e 7 s6 —(hear, hear.) now were the precedents? Is ' bid Parliament took the tithe of agisment e —in 1833 abott h ' p l vestry cess and ten bishops. Why not go a step furfr - t r —(hear, hear.) In Canada, after the rebellions'' e d happily we never did any o f th ese t hi ngs till ,blood P i o floeed—(Hear, hear) —we took th e c l erg y reserves' the though by Act of Parliament they were devoted t° ae Protestant Church, part of th e m was now given fo r sustenance and payment of the Roman Catholic ele' s ,50 And who consented to that? Th e Righ t H on . Melon) for Ripon (Sir J. Graham) and Tamworth (Sir R. r7el ‘sitd the Bishop of London. Let the pre ce d en t b e apP de , to Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) An objection would be W a d based upon the s:h article of union. Surely it was 01 10 ill-advised and impolitic thus to hold out to th e Roa/ e Catholics of Ireland a premium to induce them ill agitate for the repeal of the union. —(Hear.) li l t to tact, that article merely said t h at t h e two Churches "pd io be united in governm ent , di sc i pline, and faiths i7cla made no mention of the tem p ora li t i es of the Irish C,bile; ol 01 1 , aed contain: d not one wor d w hi c h prevented Parham e from interfering will' that Church, w hi c h was a thirliso :heir own creation. Even if it did, we had a lresdY l ei tared the 4th :Article; was the sth mere-sacred? arif Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) really disposed T o e ~pint, when he asked, " It w e are conv i nce d t hat ta eta' welfare of Leland requires an alteration of the 00 tr . and a departure fro m t h e compact, are our l e n'5 e functions to be so bo un d up t h at the compact is ,0 bPa maintained in spite of our convictions?" ad - ling t eisor'i for one, had never b een prepared to say that.— (s a cre . I . c might perhaps be i ns i st , d that we ought not to Oats fere with the temporalities of this Church, because 01' lend the : xclusive po ssess i on of religious truth. gunnel% to use the words of an Hon. Gentles on 'Ail ° :israrli), was " an organi z ed h yt our i sy. " It the 110-,tlo was good for anything, why not extend it to Cil. o a, doe Punj iute Malta, Labuan, an d carry your dogmati c o il' logy, there ? But with m ore wisdom than since 'nen shrunk from the appli cat i on o f tb e i r argli fi V ' which would dismember th is m i ghty eme i re , in oat very • very race c aimed tol erat i on f or i ts cree d•-• 1 se , rear.) We heard much talk of " Protestant prina oj et , What dal gentlemen wean by th e term ? Did they le r perm-cut:oe? Then he (Mr. Osborne) was Ho 11 q,0 1 tans.—(Hear) It there was on e P ro t es t an t prinelP ,htluld do well to act upon, it was that which wa s a :eel-toed at the Reormation, and CO which we oWe y • ur liberty—the right of private judgments—At tie did not see how those who talked so loudly of el could say that we Protestants had exclusive relig e e rutti —(dear, hear.) He had now t o as k the 801 l oi go in o 'undue° "to consider th e p r esent state 0` Oil temporalities of the Church of Ireland." He wa g r( doing so with the view o f a b o li sh i ng it. All use,fatiesf' eines mutt be feuded mutual compromise.--viir iertr.) Neither did he wish to interfere with the ''' l oo eirs rigtes or vest' d interests of the present inctionoo, -(11.• at-. he it.) B u t he asked the Lioitse to V e se l tee f or the u:p .se of seeing if tin Y ;00" devise a plan by which the- congrsgational 5) stea l rite carried nor in Ireland instead of the territer te r/ (Hear, hear.) In one diocese •Ri Eiigktid—Che 6 , o l# .ine bishop till lately presided ove r 1,500,000 or F, iieten s ing to the Eeteinkhi d Ch urc h ; in I r eland I t crehb , shops cud t: u bishops preswed over 800.0 0 ' /0 1 Eit e lenid there was one bishnp to 412 benetic 5 . it t f t.nd to 138. He had no. wild or visionary sche n ; o ool ,aanc;dh.r_e(l,u.F(c)lueeladrt,rhloeetatreilpleuilgs,hnh.eiptle,etigoinhfiot ,r,s7sritii.,t,nlo:o,,,,,roirl propose; he would have one archbishop with . oOu' i a reaarr. (Sir G. Grey) .lesrd J. Russell tied the House in 18 44 ' the eeneur in the plan pronounced by Dr. Wheie l f; € o l Archbishop of for making the Irish C lll3 ibhl church of congregations, not parishet;" addi n ,,i t :to, P ; though he thou g h t the Protestaet Church oug'",, fully provid e d f or , h e d i d not believe that anyth'ljeljer", l the amount now allott e d t o i t was necessary.--%0 hear.) He (Mr. OA:sine) also proposed to lay ° a t io' able the' following resolutiun:—" That it is the °P m et of this Committee that any surplus whin b ir ittl a remain after f u lly providing for the aPatf instruction of th e mem b ers of the Established (-1 in Ireland ought to be applied lee/LW: l le the general education of all cla sses o f the P e e e etr o l (Hear, hsar.) He had on l y to add, that he went!'" tet e I , eke Government not to think that the pr e sent s - , 0 00, Ireland was one which afforded them any great P,slo:, satisfaction. Much had been heard from them D ' s in opposition of large and comprehensive measu r "o o ), 're passed fur Ireland; but what had they done? d ad suspended the Habeas C o rpus A c t an d alter e ho ttr m , Poor Law; and taking the example of the man ''' d i)", .leavoured to teed a starving dog wi t h th e pronuee,dg J .' ,ten ti l l, they had p a ss e d a ra t e i n aides-(A led", - chry hid lately otteined a bloodless triumph, a r t ;:pri agitation, and partite zu,g all politic a l f ee li ng tor t tlfa j sent in that country . ; but. let them not imagin & dialing down the tumult raised by a mad ent husia iitkor aA ay the feelings and se mpaehies of the 13,n;ie /o (Bear.) Let them not b e d away with the I ° f a de lie - - ( • e present dull silence, proce eding f r o m f am ine lion/ i.pair, was the result of happiness and content. be? tee them not urge "than tid e i s not t h e time( let teat deuce, seize an op;°nullity presented to them h): a e t deuce, and boldly put this question, which they ma r eiry kild over again s a id l ay at the root o f I r i s h h ear th n ei ne , ind discontent, on a foot i ng w hi c h the i r former ter tion demanded.—(Cheers.) Mr. REYNOLDS seconded the motion. ° '0 Mr. MOORE Pa id t h at h e was bound by his oat , ,d nothing to subvert the Chur c h as by l aw establis', o o; Ireland. The Hon. Member, after adverting fr o 0 0 length to the provisions of the Catholic oath We°, position of the Establi s h e d Ch urc h i n I re l an d, ° a st; to say that the present was no new subject. It 0 10 old as the causes which gave it birth. H e h a d 11 ',. 4 speeches of all the distinguished men of the prese" d ise d en the subject of the Irish Church, and it had b i lled' him that not one of the wen t o wh om h e had had ventured to maintain that the success of that 0 0 .7 t be f hmt beeu commensurate w i t h i ts objects. II o eth e Alluded to the ape, eh o f th e Ri g h t Gent ° o - d i d inter 'or Ripon (Sir J-mes Graham ) in 18 3 -' O OI II A the speech of the Hon. Member for Oxford, ol e o how tettni , aii.ed that church property was tile e f ofe i l private Property. Were the present a question n e ,, millions of mi n living seven thousand miles rAr n e orl i night be de-alt alto differently, but the questl i n vo rl o ad ci reed seven millions of in: n at their doors, end re y et much question of humanity as one of P,? just c•'. The prosperity and the peace 01 ille n t i eueht to be otj. et, of the most serious it O P - o re e l, and he believed that nothing could exceed the el ir c o : 9 of the abuse the Irish Church. They had iops, o 4 versed any part of the nation in their attempt w cce eu 1' the Catholic Church in Ireland. They never 11 ° 0 re e° 4 in waking proselyte:;, although armies were put i l 01 0 „ T ,., „, hut,. districts had been depopulalea' pe rti t y he heard lion. Gentlemen defending Church Pl:cleir 1311 lr: Wee e ceole net elp aeking whether, if sil os was as clear as it was vicious, they could show ol .o. o particle ut to their present Church WO „Jena the Isere M. tele r tna n on on to show t".. e ~ ,1 1 / riportion which the Protestant population there Catholic in the several provinces in Ireland. „,,: ah r paid tithe in eight parishes ill the dipole QUAI"I- 1349. and ar tiensb this oc I may "Oecasic proper at the the p a Conks: to rp took alien that of t h th e / CUs pul its in R ha,