The Sun. — London, England, 1819-02-18 00:00:00

tuipo-yoei.t, ir rniglit Le very proper to prey:rid ttia mos! ten iler of both sexes from exercising it ; but for thri rest it vvas WOrid than sending a man to the mast-head. If tioa chitnnies w , te made forcer, all ditficultieS would be removed. Mr. BF.NNET allowed that the plan for enlarging chim -li:es nurlit do for future building; but how were the hun dreds of thousands already existing to be so altered? Were not even modern chiinnies framed in the most difficult man ner by the opulent, who wished to hare warm flues at the ex pence of the health and lives of young and tender sufferers. As to the comparison used by the gallant Admiral, when he could show that a Captain of the Nary stuck plus or lillaed at raw under the feet of a boy t o f orc e him to the mast's ' head, lien he would admit that the hardships of the case were not greater. . . Sir J. YORKE said, that the Captain of 3 man cf war hai; tre now, folltra ed a man with a cat to start him up the toast The Pr ition was then laid on the table. Lord EllfilMiTON presented a Petition from certain Pa riOrs in D romsLire, against the Poor Laws.—Laid on the Sir F. PCIIDETT presented a Petition frnin Mr. W. Harris its:ding in the parish of Nlarelehune, ecinplaining of the Mu. nopoly of Water Companies.—Laid un the table. WAR IN CEYLON. tar. DE CRESPIGNY inquired whether it wam the inten ton of his 11!ajesty's Ministers to lay before 11,e flotice any Papers explanatory of the origin of the incest de•Jructice and xpensive war which rav , d in the Island of Ceylon ? If it were not their intention, he should take an early opportunity uf moving for their production. fir. GOULBURN, ai far as he could be prepared to rm ,,,nr much . a qnestion, stated that there Wa; disposition in Mirli! , tt.lTl to ilerJrd e 4"," y in foriat ion on the subject. Alt bo 7 lgh no official Divatchts had been received of the termination nt those direirticc3, yet riivate accounts Bare every reason to belie% e drat they had rue now entirely erased. NoTrcr,s OF nEc()GmziNcEc. _ . Sir .1, NEWPGRT was understood to .iay that a ceneral misconception had prevailed in Ireland respectine the 53d of the King, the Act which fixed a particular period fur entering into recognixances in casts of Election Petitions. It wai nii itersiiod that its provisions did not extend to Ireland, and in 4 " 4 :ing' juin the Act, he found that the name of that country bad h,-i•u omitted. He trusted therefore tit the House :sunlit net he Over severe in the obscrvanc of the law, by excluding Irish Petitions in whiLh the recognizance, had not been entered into in time. Mr. 41YNNE admitted the importance of the subject, and thought that sonic inquiry ought to take place into the state of the notices given. At the snggestion of the SPEAKER, an order was made for it Return ; describing the state of notices fur Irish re eognizanccs. HIGHWAYS. Mr. PROTHEROE rose to move for a Select Committee to take into consideration the Acts now in force regarding the Turnpike Roads of Frigland and Wales, and the pro pjet), of adopting' certain regulations for their repairs and preservation. He stated, that at the close of the last Parini stient he had moved for papers on which to found an inquiry on that subject, which he intended to have left as a legacy to abler hands. He wished that the trusts of public roads should be committed to persons of science and education, and when it was known that those roads comprised an extent of 25,000 miles, that their original cost had been 7,000,0001. and that front 1,'200,000/. to 1,300,000/. were spent annually upon them, the House would see that the subject was one of con siderable importance. It was the opinion of the Committee last year, that if certain improvements were carried into ef fect, commerce would be greatly benefitted, many articles w•ould be brought to market at a reduced price, fewer horses would he employed, and an expence of five millions saved to the public. He concluded by moving for the appointment of a Select Committee. Mr. GIPPS seconded the motion, and hoped that the Turn pike Act and the Private Way Act would also be taken into consideration, as they were at present but little understood, and Magistrates had much difficulty in affixing the penalties which they imposed. He wished the number of horses should be left out of the question, and the penalty laid on the weight alone. Sir M. RIDLEY inquired whether the Hon. Mover intended to call for a return of Turnpike Trusts from the present pe riod, or prospectively. Mr. PROTHEROE was understood to answer prospectively. Colonel WOOD bad no objection to the Committee, hut hoped its inquiry would not be confined to turnpike roads alone. The whole system should be sifted to the bottom. It was intimately connected with the Poor Laws; for how could so many of the poor be in want of work, when 1,500,0001. were annually spent on the public roads ? Be wished the statute duty to be done away, and the poor to bit employed, instead of being locked up in workhouses. Sir 11. PARNELL said, that he had been requested by the body of Coaehmasters to bring forward a motion to the same effect as that of the Hon. Member, which should therefore receive his support. They compliined that whilst the road duties were doubled, the roads themselves were not made better. The motion was then agreed to, and the Committee ap pointed. CLIMBING BOYS. Mr. BE.NNET having moved that the House resolve itself into a Committee on the Bill for abolishing the use of Climb ing Boys, Mr. GRENFELL praised the exertions and humanity of his Ilon. Friend in having brought such a Bill before the Douse. I-is belonged himself to a Fire-office, and had en quired this morning from the Secretary what number of ciiiamies usually took fire within stated periods. The answer had been, front Co to 70 every month. On looking back to those which had been on fire for several months, he had found that the proportion of these which caught fire after having been swept by machines, was only two oat of sixty five! He had OM enquired what proportion of chimoies were swept with machines? To this no direct answer could be given, but the Secretary had stated that thousands weru now swept in that manner. These facts fully proved the safety, and he might even say, the additional safety of em ploying machines instead of boys. They also showed that the object of his Lion. Friend was not visionary. It had been objected that Parishes would no longer have the means of sending out boys on that degrading and destructive employ ment, hut that was an argument which, however good for parishes, would, he trusted, have no weight with the Douse. A MEMBER, whose name could not be learnt, gave his entire and most cordial approbation to the measure, and stated, that the only chimney which had ever beets on fire in his house, was one which, contrary to his usual practice, had been swept by a boy. Mr. ()AIM/INNEN' gave credit to the Hon. Author of the Bill, for the humanity of his intentions. But he hoped that he would nut foieet that a certain class of chins-flies could not be swept at all by machinery. Colonel WOOD thought the Hon. Gentlentan could not have read the Report of the Committee, when he recommend ed the partial use of climbing boys, notwithstanding the adop tion of machinery. He could not be aware of the horrible treatment and sufferings which children of a tender age ex perienced in that employment. If there were chimnies in this Metropolis which could not be swept any other way, then the sooner they were burnt down the better.—(Laughter!) Mr. BROUGHAM said, although its in general disapproved of all legislative measures interfering with the principle of free labour, yet in this case he agreed to the Bill, because it went to protect those who were not of discretion, and had not the power to protect themselves. The great question to be determined was the age to be fixed in the Bill. Twenty-one he thought too old an age, and conceived the proper age to he fixed, would lie that at which buys could be considered as suf . /ars:a.. The principle of this Bill had been already recog nised by Parliament in an Act mentioned in this very The great purpose was to alleviate a great aml complicated misery. Mr. DENNIAN was sorry to disturb the unanimity so de ',irable in such -a Case as this. But lie thought that this Bill carried the principle of interference too far. If it were true that machinery swept chimoies so much better, so much more economically, and so much more safely, than climbing boys, he could not think that the British public would per- List in an inhuman practice, and therefore thought such a Dill unnecessary, When he looked into this Bill and saw that it give a single Justice the power of convicting on the evidence of a single witness, and all this without the intervention of any Jury, he did think that a very strong case must be made out—stronger than any that he had yet heard made out for this Bill, before he could he in duced to vote fur it. The House should consider well be fore it agreed to pass another penal law; for he considered every additional penal law a great public evil. He had every confidence that the humanity of the English public, and the utility of the machinery itself, would be sufficient for the abo lition of that cruel practice which it was the object of the Bill to prevent, without the necessity of having recourse to a Le gislative measure. He thought it strange that greater pains bad not keen taken to make the advantages of the machinery known. There ought to he hand-bills in every family, and - notices in every street, mentioning where those who wished to hare tkeir chimnies swept II y machinery should apply. Mr. GRENFELL explained. Mr. WILBERFORCE said he had lived long enough to have seen the insufficiency of that argument which had been ' *Jut.' by the Hots. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Denman). rri , sre wet e r.rrrny more that i ht.:country in which an invention was discovered, was not always that in which its benefits were most extensively felt. He mentioned vaccina tion as an instance of this. In most countries of the Conti nent vaccination was so universally practised, that instances of death by small pox went very rare, whereas in this coun try, where vaccination was first discovered, such were the prejudices against it, that thousands died yearly of the small pox. He thought the Hon. Gentleman who introduced this Bill de , erved the thanks of all the friends to humanity. After a few words from Mr. BARHAM, the House resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill. On the motion of Mr. DENAfAN, " two or more Mazi strates" were substituted for "one or more," &c. in the elau , e relative to convictions. In the clause fixing the earliest age at which boys might be bound apprentices, Mr. BENNET roved to Ell up the blank with " the age of fOurt ten years." Mr. OMMANNEY wished some earlier age to he fixed. He could not agree with those who gave such exaggerated ac counts of the miserable state of climbing boys. It must have been remarked by every one who had seen chimney-sweepers it) the street, that they were generally laughing, and the ex es-ion of tfleir countenances cheerful. It had been said, that when boys who had served their apprenticeship to chim ney-sweeping grew up, they were a burden on the parish.— So far from this, speaking from extensive experience, both in London and in the country, he could say he had never known an instance of a chimney-sweeper becoming a burden on the parish. On the contrary. when they could not find employment in their (Mu profession, they went into the Navy.--(E.aughter.) Mr. BtNN ET put it to the Committee, whether they had ever heard that the trade of chimney-sweeping was a nursery for the Navy ?—(.anghter.) Sir ISAAC COFFIN declared he had serer beard of a single chimney sweeper being in the Nary.—(Laughter ) The other Clauses were agreed to, and the Report ordered to he received on Friday. filnio at.d raitinfest cases to Judge, is not for. bidden. According to this liberal interpretation of the Divine Saviour's charitable atin►onitiou—ull are damned without retrieve, be their arts what they may, whom the Roman Catholic Hierarchy pro nounce to he Heretics ; that is to Say, all who profess a religious Creed differing from their own. St. Matthew Bth. 29. Lest perhaps—the good must tolerate the evil, when it is so strong that it cannot be redressed without danger and dis turbance of the whole Church, and commit the matter to God's judgment in the latter day, other wise where ill men, be they heretics or other malefactors, may be punished or suppressed, without hazard or disturbance of the good, they may and ought by public authority, either spi ritual or temporal, to be chastised or executed. Here is loyalty and liberality with a witness ; the good must tolerate the evil, when it is too strong for them to overcome, and be charitably satisfied with the eternal damnation of ill men, whether they be heretics or other.malefactois. But when it shall be in the power of the good to puni,h or suppress heresy or other then it becomes their duty to chastise offenders or put them to death. The plain English is,--We, he good, that is, the good Catholics, hot being able to redress our selves without - danger and disturbance to our Church, will endure the evil of your Protestant Establishment at present, and comfort ourselves with the thought of your eternal damnation; but when you may he punished or suppressed without such danger or disturbance, you nosy and ought by public authority, either spiritual or temporal, be chastised or executed. St. John 14th.28. My Father is greater than I If the heresy and disease of the time were Atian ism, we should stand upon those places, and the like against the Arians, as we now do upon others against the Protestants, whose Sect is the bane and disease of the time. Here we have, in the most plain and explicit terms, from the most Rev. Dr. TRoy, and his most Rev, and Right Rev. and Rev. Coadjutors, a de claration of bitter and irreconcileable hostility against that Establishment, to which they pro less such sincere and unshaken loyalty. Protest autism is the disease bud bane of this time, and that which is diseased and baneful ought, of course, to be removed by the stro►►gest possible remedies which Civil or Ecclesiastical pharmacy can apply. Surely the bitterest enemies of the Emancipa tione of the Catholics could not have adduced stronger proofs of the impolicy and mischief of such a measure, than they have themselves here afforded ! [To be continued-1 CIVIL LIST. Mr. V. FlTZGERALDbrougittnpthe Report of the Corn , rnittee appointed to inquire into the Civil List, and the al. terations on the Windsor Establishment. It Was firdercd to lie on the table, and to be printed. The Usury Laus Repeal Bill vr.s euumitted—report to. motrow.—Adjourned. EMANCIPATION EXPLAINED ; OR, POPISH ASCENDANCY IN IRELAND, By a CHURCH of ENGLAND CATHOLIC. [tio. IV.] (Continued from yesterday's SUN.) The Report of the Hibernian Society for 1811, is a farther t►roof of this decided aversion to in struct in Protestant Schools, although Roman Catholic Masters had been appointed to teach the children of that persuasion ; for when the Priests found that the New Testament was used, they anathematized and threatened occommunica! ion to all the School-masters of their Church who should dare to continue teaching in them, as well as to all parents who should dare to send their children to them, threatening to make the ground open and swallow them up, if they presumed to disobey the denunciation of their Priests. The foregoing paragraph I have extracted from a Publication of the year 1812, which also con tains the sentiments of a late Bishop of Lon don on this Question of Catholic Emancipation. If (says the venerable Poe Tens) the Petition from the Roman Catholics of Ireland had been for more complete toleration in matters of religion, though it can hardly, I think, be more complete than it is, there was not an individual in the House that would have given a more hearty as- ' sent to it than myself. But it was not a petition for liberty of conscience, it was an application for political power, and that power I, for one, am not disposed to grant them, because I believe it would be difficult to produce a single instance where they have possessed political power in a Protestant Country without using it cruelly and tyrannically ; and this, indeed, follows necessa rily, from the very doctrines of the Church, se veral of which are well known to be hostile, not on'y to the Protestant Religion, but to a Protes tant Government.—lt has been said, indeed, that these are not now the tenets of the Church of Rome ; that they may be found, perhaps, in some old musty records, but that they are now grown obsolete and invalid, and are held in utter detestation by the whole body of the Ro man Catholics both in England and Ireland.— But these musty records, in which these doc trines appear, are nothing less than the General Councils confirmed by the Pore ; and Doctor TeoY, Titular Archbishop of Dublin, in his Pas toral Instructions to the Roman Catholics of his Diocese, publiShed in 1793, tells his flock they must adhere implicitly to Decrees and Canons, to the Church assembled in General Councils, and confirmed by the Pore ; and the celebrated Lay Roman Catholic. Writer, Mr. PLowourr, in his " Case Stated," published in 1791, maintains the same doctrines, and the infallibility of General Councils. These are, therefore, unquestionably at this day, the tenets of their Church ; they have never been disavowed, and until they are so dis avowed by out hority, every good Catholic is bound to obey them. Thus far the venerable Bishop of London, PORTRUt, a character remarkable for philanthropy and good understanding. And although sufficient has been already introduced, to prove the hos tility of the Popish Religion to our Established Church and Protestant Government, I deem it necessary to bring forward a further, and, if pos sible, a stronger evidence of its invincible hatred, which is carried to the length of tortut ing the Holy Scriptures to its purpose. The Notes to the Rhenish Bible, furnish specimens of this ma licious disposition, and that precious publication was announced under the following pompous title :—" A new, superb, and elegant edition of the Catholic Bible is now publishing in numbers and parts, by J. A. M'NAMARA, Cork ; under the patronage of his Grace the most Hey. Doctor O'Rettx, Roman Catholic Lord Primate of all Ireland ; his Grace the most Rev. Doctor Taosr, Roman Catholic Bishop of Dublin ; his Grace the most Rev. Dr. MURRAY, Coadjutor Archbishop of Dublin, and President of the Royal College Of Maynooth ; the Roman Catholic Bishops of Cork,, Waterford, Ferns, &c. ; containing the whole of the Books in the Sacred Scriptures, ex plained or illustrated with notes or annotations, according to the interpretation of the Roman Ca tholic Church, which is our infallible and un erring guide, in reading the Holy Scriptures and bringing men to salvation."—N. B. I t was print ed in Dublin. Two or three of the Notes will suf ficiently show the spirit of this infallible and un erring guide. St. Matthew, 7th. Ist. Judge not— it is no Christian part to judge ill of mess acts, which be in themselves good ; but to say that JUDAS, or an Heretic, evidently known to die ob stinately in his sins is damned,—and in all othat- THEATRICAL REGISTER. Performed Last Night. • TWEATRE ROYAL, Dftuuv-LANE.—Hamlet: Hamlet, Mr. Kean ; Ophelia, Miss Cubitt, After which (6th time), High Notions. MEATIIE ROYAL, COVENT-GARD.--The Duenna : Carlos, Mr. Hunt; Chars, Miss Stephens. After which, The Critic. TO CORatCPONDENTS. PUBLIC GRIEVANCES, No. IL, and other Favours. to-mor row.—For ANALYSIS and COMMENTARY on The iNsuLvENT DEBTORS' ALT (COMA uded), see the Last Piige. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT TryEINE o'CLoCK. Bank Static ...Di, 268 imperial 3 per Cent. Ann. 751 3 per Cent. Red 77li India Stoch 3 per Cent. Cons 76f India Bonds, 71s. 631. 595. pr. 3} per Cent 864 b Ex. Bills, 2d. I Is. 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BANK OF THE UNITED STATES.-Mr. TRIMBLE stated to the House, that as his object in yesterday moving the resolution respecting a scire facias against the Bank had been to give notice of what be thought should be done when that subject came up for consideration, and as that object was effected by having made the motion, he should not at present more for its consideration: Mr. CLAIBORNE then said, as notice had been given of one motion respecting the Bank, he now gave notice, that when the House should enter on the consideration of the Report of the Bank Committee, he should offer a proposition to repeal the Charter of the Bank in into. SEMINOLE WAR.—The House then again re solved itself into a Committee of the whole, Mr. PITKIN in the Chair, on the Report of the Com mittee of Military Affairs on the Seminole War, with the amendments, disapproving of the conduct of that War. Mr. CLAY delivered a Speech in support of these Resolutions, 'which occupied upwards of two hours in the delivery. Mr. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, took the floor on the other side, and had spoken about an hour, when having given way for a motion for that purpose, the Committee rote, and the House adjourned. (Front 7'lle National Intelligencer of Tuesday) The Bill for the better organization of the Courts of the United States, and for the appoint men, of ti,e Circuit Judges, fin,,lk Fissed Senate yesterday by a vote of 22 to 14. The antie!pated D e b ate began yesterday , °" the subject subject of th e con d uc t o f th e Seminole War ; erowd eu will consume. several days. The galleries , . almost to suffocation, gave evidence of the intereiC which the subject has excited. WilAtam JONES, Esq. lids resigned the a ° of President of the Rink of the United States' and the Hon. Mr. CHEN , Es is spoken of as his successor. The ilurora, after noticing this adds the old seying, " Out of the fryi9o 3ll into the file." HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, JAN. The Order of th e D iv on the Report of Hi d Committee on Milit ar y Aff a i rs b e ing annoo uce the House then went into a CoMniittee of lb _ whole. on the state of the Union, Report was committed, Mr. PITRIg i ll (I) Chair. There was some conversation previoudY ab h °ll : postponing the subject for a d a y or tw° ; the I - louse, by a majority of 10 or 15 vote 9,l-' solved to take it up. The Report of the Military Coarni ttee read through, concluding with the ftooll',1"11:51 ti , C lotion : " Resolved, th a t t h e H ouse o f Represe ll- t 8 . ti ve° of the United St a t es di sapproves t h e precce",4 iiin-ra in the Tri a l an d E xecut i on o f Al ex ander buthnot and Robert C. AMbrister." Mr. Conn, o f G eorg i a , too k t h e fl o or in 5 . 11 10 11 : port of th e R e p ort , an d h av i ng spoken twi ne l i l a c in support o f t h e R eso l ut i on i mme di a tely b c the House, be was proceeding to the oth er qu tious arising out of the Seminole War, w heil It was decidzd by the CHAIR, that tII (iise ' sion must be con fi ne d to t h e question intu le " A.;3Celf before the Hous e . After a good de a l o f conversat i on o n we' n oes c' tion of the order o f p rocee di ng i n t hi s eti s e lo. r which Messrs. Smi t h, C o bb , Cl ay, Poin deil li t r z Tallmadge, and Reay took part, and in "lib le general disposition was manifested that the of subject should be discussed, and the diffe reticc ita opinion was only as to the mode of getting at to obviate all difficulties on this subject, 5 beMr. Mr. COBB mov e d to amen d t h e Resolutt°" ttl fore the Com m it tee , b y i nsert i ng after tile vl°oo Resolved, the following matter td Committee on Military Aff a i rs b e instru cte t iv prepare and - re p ort a Bill to t hi s House , Pr°11:1001 ing, in time o f p eace , or i n t i me of war, wit d trY Indian tribe or tribes only, the executi° ll s °. captive taken by t h e A rmy o f the - Unite d - bi t : tb.c without the approbation o f suc h exectiCal President. f Resolved, That this House disapprove' seizure of th e p as t a o f S t . M ar k' s and re°s3Co;6, and the fortre ss o f B arrancas, contrary £o°l.-' and in violation of the Constitution. ht " Resolved, That the same Committee also instructed to prepare and report a Bil l pro g, biting the march of the army of the United st ior l or any corps th ereo f, i nto any fore i gn (er r- o , without th e p rev i ous aut h or i zat i on o f C" l 'g rc ae ; except it be in th e case o f f res h pursu it 19f 3 (0$ 0 feared enemy of the United States, taking re. within such foreign territory." of ej Having s u bmitt e d t hi s mot i on, M r. C. pr oce- o r , to speak in favour of those branches of hi 9 P o o; position whi c h h e h a d not a l rea d y touc hed °P Mr. C. spoke two bouts. 11C' He was followed on the opposite side by t HoLmEs, of M a s sac h use tt s , w h o h a d ofilY ° jo ' eluded one branch of thi s subject, when , ip given way at the reques t o f a M em b er , th e C‘i tdmittee agreed to rise; and leave being gi cell ;Ete e sit again, the Amendment moved in Con "01' was ord ere d to b e pr i nte d, an d the 11°135 j ourned. nir; We yesterday signified, that in supporting . 0 . LAMB we did not consider ourse l ves a s In 3inte'' of in g the cause of an Individual, hut the IW ll°L ri ir trf Westminster and the safety of the r em C °ll.- against a gang of unprincipled Jacobins, cv h° ' I- o f fer Mr. lIOBHoUsR because they dee" s thorough-bred a Jacobin as themselves; he appears, by obscurely, and, indeed, tin intt o r gibly, stating his views, to be preparing the o ut to desert them, as soon a s his interest t eif f r , suggest a differe n t course . But as fir e ; LAM rashly applied an unmerited -ePil of condemnation to the present Adnoinistrio Hon, on the first day of his appearance on re , Hustings, we think that he ought to Ir f e e cant so unjust a censure, lie must surely on reflection, that, far from being a I a oF Administration,"as he unj u stly styled then ), it fn er fairly be said, th a t if n o t su p er ior to any fe Ministry, in disd a ining " th e vileness of Peceta niary corruption," y e t th a t they hava nev er b ni e pc exceeded by any form e r Mi n i s t r y, in being ex ar e from the truth of such imputation• eve ive not servilely devoted to Ministers, but we g il d them credit for the best intentions, a nd L Cr