The Sun. — London, England, 1819-12-18 00:00:00

thong ) 1 me lient 113". i t i t k Co ori i'tnity de' thro o begito to Lordsh4)s the 38 0 or to ‘ l ' 43 ime bock (11A r " Georg e y in for ce •eescaP -01 t ited. ;cage tild a bo_ut 'Lad beet t t hougli c feelin% desirable u , h more ) ded troll! that IP • red He CO .y manner had be i MI out r: r condllC! he 4131 of prote c i ow3ll 301., t ions , 01111 lit of 11 1 detutolti e - trus l , only frg o the sty', 5 io men 0"li it resSel lissS i t ; eeing 111 , intenali c ; . ge d 'V ;mg hilt yes of 51 ; ; recoort r, jcl" Lire tO DLit he9„l e tv, ,tot rewroies 'ld Hut Paid took a different course, Then tire blarne vras aid 'On Providence. He then notired the pre; aettt distrets of.tbe . country, and illustrated hiS a rgument by quoting largely from the latter part t ) f 'Goldsmith's (' Deserted Village," desetiptive 4 f the sorrows of those about to emigrate to A I*. ca• Efftctual resistance to the injurious \policy of Ministers could only be opposed by one thing, 4 rlll that Was not the sword, the pistol, or the ( bigger, but public opinion. It puhiic opinion . favoured Rat!icalism, Radicalism would ultimately Prevail ;. if it 'deniai - nletl moderate Reform, mo. d erote ReforM would be obtained ; and if it call " for khe,tei initiation of prevailing aI.P.ISeS, the .tall must he complied t itll. Public opinion, he Proceeded to :how, had forced Jairles to abdicate throne ; h is . it was this that • had destroyed the 43 4 stile in France., and brought back Btionaparte 4 . 11. ° 1 11 Elba ; and here, if it called for inquiry, re trenchment, or retorm,, it must he attended to. The a.lce-Uf ATHOLL and the Elrl of Gaosva liOtt Ferer4liy explained. 'the Earl of WESTNI , RLAN &cline(' following tUe Nob' , Lort , 1,0 had just sa -through the whole 0 : Ho. ch; out he co n tended: in on ('Position t.' .J: the present Bills were .1, p,si . '. l) wn no • to be allowed tut irly ao'd i',,di,totts'y drew a lint! b etween it. 11!PtH igs 1 ailed ti .e iki..chie '"totts.".puitt,,,,. i t ve,,, s truly tr ,, titteri .:own 84 01. meet bad 4ie 4, I u.nten I bt. ( arty'st, tta.t tAkt l'he fi! s!a was th.a! of o ve ' GO, „, i ! , rc IV., w.•ich we. , ; t.r I fni d-wn t ' ) llt ()us j r fIIP i itZS, At,(l enpi , e(I thr s• vt.re• 1)Y114! , to arre. , 'eati " VI. 1 t t!. r at(mat r r .AOrly to rer ; in,rting an hour aft.er a pro 't!alnation t.tri. read. By his hainatie Ikny the r icce , triertiov,s I.y toree had been alts; ho lly -.voided The S' ame of Edt Ward , e d the rel a i)t Qiieen Mary, 111 )(1 ag•. , o' Eilzothetb, 11 was then suf.. !eied tr awl the law ith.respect to public lbeet t - .1 ti inn that time on the Milt of • , to the reign of Geot-ge 1., when *be 111, • , s passed. • Coming then to ih•• Pre sec , e •n that they differed th,ii had preceded them. Hi -I:tht, ; • expec,ed that some riot would •Tak • .c meetings orttn improper cha had not been CoMmon for per s(' • of exercising the sacred right • ail forth what he might almost • tfl , tn the ignorant, and spread bh : ag time that such meetings o . er , d merely by abstinence from , . 11 0' .nll the .inj, tne present medsure was . 10 (11y.petc,e .by be I rather than lay the. . 3 % , nr i i Ni)9le BArVilitit 4 uggested fibre reme • Il k , '7l I.l4ltrlry into-,•e ...ate of titecountry; eco liv , xll Hlceratinn 111 Ott* tranie of .he Govern /Tien ; 4,41 sly, 'A I c- ,. ll.:tip , lo';lle army. He (the dart it %V t .onion:lA) 1 -en proceeded to si,ow, re- hrai e r l that ihrf e--ivAs__ hut too .linch dis , ress in the „„ nt i v , bot where vn nst disiress was felt, it was itio§t (lisAft eti•pnyoevailed lt :--, did 'not 'seem to Jilin likely, that-thole who were •io great distress - and 'poversy, could give their ( r. vi • 4 ,d•wgtits to drilling and trninttig 'could moory in.ptirchasing arms,-iit buying ilit.npnit.rs, in procuring devices and standardl, 'Mote -Isom one end. of-the.conittry to - te -.-her iitfrlld .Incetings„But- atl- . I i .cti )n to proceed iron] distress, le .t is.t. he ihongnt suffering the whole countryin the Ihro, n i.n disorder - would be the means of •te- Ill Oring VrOlig , iillity and happiness, he would then propose to postpone these Bills.. But .if it should .althear that the meetings of which they complained lentleti to increase the distress; and were not only l iktly to do so hut had actnally , doneit,--when it kas seen't hat ..people'wev anxiotttly withdrawing I heir capital, and . pa•sing front the North to the esr for their safety—when these things, were ,Aecn, would it be said that Ministers were wrong endeavouring to'restor.e peace and 'order, that wrii-ilisposed, might again follow their orcli - nary a vocations in‘ecorityi But then it was said 111- 14 t the distress was produced, by the policy of I ‘liastenr, and that .consequently a.change , in the frone of chtir Goverittnent was necessary. GR•SVENOR denied having -said that a hunge:in_the frame of oueGovernntent was ne tesSary. EVII4 RLAND resnmed.—lie de-4 `hied that the present distress resulted front rills -101e and ft/is-government, and consequently that I, tscure could be supplied by a change in the :fram e of oat —Government. The present system hRd lifted this Country, tor/aids the close of the L ist century, to a state of unexampled psci!sperity. `Under this.systeM theCountly had been_oised an runts, and population, to 811 flillaenCe *illicit was at once the envy and the 'admiration all -surrounding nations, and this recol• Ic.ction alone should make them hesitate to alter t he frame of our - pricent Government. showed the advantages enjoyed under this Go., Q ernment were great, and especially so to 'the Door .and the needy. The evils, complainell of Ile. Was convinced would have been felt in an equal ilegree under the most populor form of Govern klent that could be devised ; for had the whole `elation 'beep- polled on Abe-question of the late mar, be was sure that an immense majority bave decided its favour'. Since the rtftefroth 'fifteen to sixteen tniLions in taxes bad en taken, horn the burdens of the people ; e very suggirstion in favour of economy that had '"en received from their oponents had (with ' ll few trifling exceptions) been attended to,.and 'Under these .circturivtanceS he would ask what trout - ids were there for tharging Ministers xvith l uis-government He denied that the present Measures went to intringe the Bill of Rights, and naintained . that it had been the anxious care of 40 vernmetit to avoid this in all that they had pre . - t:ionsly,d o ue. Having described the transactions 'mot Manchester, and took a review of the disaffec litHt previously known to exist in that part of the ' 'r `- ) Stlttly, be contended that the conduct of the \', "gistroteB at Manchester, on the 16111 of An rst, had not in any respect violated the 13ill of ( ihts ; but 1;e trusted - that the• present measure ‘vould preVent the necessity of dispersing future. 11 'ettings in that way. Inquiry into the trallSac t")ns on the part of PartiaLueut was unnecessary, As if those who calleirlor inquiry nriwllad sired it before, long ere this au 'inquiry would have taken place'in the ordinary Courts of Law. 'lO institirte an inquiry under existing CirCUM' stances, would, .he thought, be most unparlia memory, unjust, and erne), as tending to prejudice questions which were yet to come before -Julies. Earl Geosveteott explained. The Bail of LAUD i , .RPALK slid not believe in the existence of any extended conspiracy to over throw the Government. He believed the evil arose from the 'distress now prevalent. Bot it was said, on the 'part of Ministers, 'that notch dis.. tress was (01111 d 'in the country. • To him this pearetl either a seditious temark .against the Go= vernment, or blasphemy against Pro,vidence itself. He accused the Noble LOrds opposite with being the cause of the distress, as his judgment it was the natural consequencel of the measures which they hail pursued. In all_ countries the expenditure and revenge {left to the natural course of things) would be equal to 'each Other ; but from the year 1774 up, to the year 1819, **debt of• 860 or 879,000.0 m. had been cunt ratted in this country. In this• course, taking every 1001. stock added to the debt at 751. sterling, it would be seen, that there had been an expenditure of .670,060,0001. beyond the real capital of the coon try, 811 . 4 titls had, during 24 years of war, en tailed on the country additional taxes *to the R Diohrit hf tiVehty-luilijooS stet'ling. To meet this uxtyaordin.ary, extraordinary labour became necessary. The manufacturer was croppelled . to toil seven days in the week instead 'of four, at a reduced price, and thus more work avas performed than formerly, while the foreign demand tor our . goods was .in tlkl . e4plal proportion ' diminished, Th.., caused the distress, and this evil be would say grew- out' of the policy of the Government, which for t tventy-four years had kept the countryat-war:__4l , e-_44arnAvi-rrt into a further description of the 4.i.!ress experienced in the manufacturing distric:s, contended that these Bills ougt•t Dot to pass while inquiry was re fused, and that some syMpathy ought to be manifested by the Government for the suffer ings of the people. He thought that the effect the Bill, if it succeeded in potting down i.obl.e discussion, would be to create private in trigues and conspiracies still mor dangerous. Had not that been the case in France ? Had any public ',meetings, preceded the Revolution ? No ; the meetings of the Sessions enesisted, at the utmost, of fifty or sixty individuals, : and, were not held in the open air, and it was from them that the greatest part of the subsequent evils had flowed, He concluded by recommending to their Lord ships to show that they cared for the,people, seltcf . otherwise would neither care for them ,nor main tain a proper respect for the Constitution. The Earl of LIVERPOOL did not .believe that, existing distresses were the causes of the dis . tuthaoces which had taken place, but that .the individuals who . had occasioneaLthose . distur bances would cot have had the jiiirier of operating what they had done without the aid ofahose dis tresses. Disaffection, in fact,• did not exist amongst the most distressed. ,but amoppetlidse '•:wh o received more abundant salaries.;,The.Nohle :Tierl who bad last .spoken, had- assumed that the -)ate war was the cause of those distrtsses ,;--but, to t make his argument good,.he ought to have shown that it had been possible to avoid thattwar.Buthad„ during theilast 10 years of thecontest,any,voieeheen i , - raised even amongst the NOle , .Lords , opposlttriti favour of peace'? Nay, had not a Nonte , Earl -self, when sentatver in 1507.t0 Paris to trekt.i.vithi 'the.Frenelt Government, found it impossibie, not-s, withstanding the ability with which het had icon-', ducted•the negociation, to conclude a peastei,sual, atitis 'return, expressed his opinion to that offeteti to the House ?—(Hear, hearl)—He thenetintend-i ed, that the distress only existed in those.manufae-! luring districts which depended on foreign trade,) and,proceeded front thetpresent state of the. Unitedi States, which had 'reduted - their demand goods. The 'manufactures which. :depeneed ~on`; domestic consumption were in tt . flourishing , oton-' dition. "He then 'alluded to the anensures adopted in 11.793 and 1817, to relieve the distresses of the Poor by an issue of Eltchrquer Liitls, -and stated that near half a million still remained unapplieC chiefly because the Gentlemen in Scotland, not choosing to assess theinselvei, cortid not give . the security necessary• to justify an advance on the part of iris Majesty's Govecoment.,--, With respect to the present Bill, he .approved the principle of permanence, but did- not coot-, plain of its4imitation to five years,•as it might be wise to give an opportunity fur reconsidering the t measure atter its merits had been tried. He main tained that the Bill would promote instead of pre— •venting discussion and. j petitions, and•that those petitions which at various times, had had most in- Aluence: with Parliament, were not those that bad invotatiopted at :meetings held in the open air. Vire Marquess of -LANSDOWNR- rejoiced at the r alterations which the- Bill bad already experi enced, -acid trusted that still greater would 'be :effected before it "passed the House. He ob jected to the inclusion of Ireland within its pro • • - 'The Earl 'of BLESSINGTON expressed his inten tion ormOving in the Committee,- that Ireland be left o u t of the •: • 'Lord lloteatto opposed' the Mesisitie as uncon stitutional, foolish, and Mischievottr. The tfueition'Was theft pat,* and•it• Was agreed by * their Lordships that' . the i Committee should be postporied till Monday: ' The House then - divided on the motion olthe Earl Cattoarivott, thatan instrnotion be given • •to the Committee to liMit the 'duration of the •measitre fo.thelit .of Saly, •182--; • Contents Vroxie% lB— 38 Not Contents Proxiei 'B-135 Nlajwity against the Motion — 97 Adjourned at I. w) o'Clock this Morning, till Nlonday. • HOUSE OF COMMONS, Dec. 17. Sir H. PAHNLE, gave notice that he would, on Monday, move for leave to bi ing in a Bill to re gulate the manner of taking the Poll isciFcland. PEN rtyN. • Sir CHARLES BuRRELL moved the Order of the Day, for receiving the Report on the'Penrin boy 13111, with aie view of povponiog it to the '2lst February 'next. This lie had done at the supitstion of several Members', who wished him to wait till the • . •Grampound.llol, came under the consideration of the lHouse. 1.1 . ,was not prepared to say that hi hail, renoanced:MA,' - oFigioal inten tion with respect to , Penryno,foe.i.olAiis.opinion this case differed—sortterially.from that of Gram- pound. The dietriet -to wiridit: the franchise was extended in ilte peprif j i i piq, , t hiiiiiikwl r a4qeqa tion of 20,000 souls; : ..ii:a,tll,e same Amitivll.4llv ever, be felt it bit darAto comply wiair , Thewse, qnest. He concluded with iWAing' . Tibit , t , tIC `fie port :., .fi'S • .!. ...t.c.. , . be reteiveA rin- , 14 . next. Nlr. C. W. Wvtao 'eg'reed „Taiat ap 4ityantagi would be derived . from ; delaying shec,Orisoreration of this ease till after ttirdiscus,son-9 thecifarni pound Bill. The present Bill ii4 3.1 13e.e fA9t4 , :" e material object ion-to 7 th-Gaatsopuo4+4l-4141-- 7 -44•alsrely, the proposition for giviqg cjiaftfros t unconvicteit voters of Gramponod votkst . :44 the County. It there was one part of our.-litegasontation which ought to be more sacred than atratbearit was that of the Representation of CO - Aictre - V. — The principle of the Grompound Bill went-tiipnt 'mother . class of voters on.an equality with flThilffilrett.tThere ,were now . three Bills .in the 11,.- --relatiti4t 1 Boroughs in the same County.44l,,Tlk,trOu or five Boroughs all cootribtiteil i(qqt . fiy.rireTeVi • tion, as'on Scotland) to return` filitt - SIMAx.t . I might be possible, in like manner, tq:class to gether the ith'convicted v.terii.l'isf4tiW ITtlieren Boroughs of which the distriekAr i oolit4noW6 greater than one of those in w0.e ! 0,,,,,,- , , i Sir CHARLCS MONCK %VHS very happy, ~,that tq the projected alteration of the tvgiryn Bill," 010 right to•eleet would he given to a district iiieltril.; log such populous places as Falmouth and Pen li zance. There was no necessity for adhering rigo rously to the same precedent, when the adherence would not be prodnctiVe.of the same benefit. He thought nothing•could ; be more advisable than to deal with Peuryn as,..Boroughs under the tame circumstances :had been dealt with before. The imperfection in the manner in which they had hi . therto proceeded wiih Boroughs'', such as Penryn, %vas, that in the. Hundred to Which the franchise was extended, there were sometimes other Bo roughs, which by this means obtained a share in returning a number of Members. Thus, for in stance, Wootton Basset, in the County of Wilts, w a s in the Hundred to which the franchise of Cricklade was extended. A person inhabiting a • freehold house in ‘Vootton Basset, had a - vote fur •the two Members of that Borough, , he, ,v, .Mern bers for Cricklade, and the two Members for the County ; in all six Members. Mr. D. GILBERT observed; that in many of the Boroughs the right of returning the Members was vested in the Corporation, which could take no part in returning Members for the Hundred. 111 r. Serjeaut Ox,stow observed, that the cir 4C-iiinstance Of a person possessing . alreehold in a towuihawing a right to vote for both the town and county was by no means uncommon. If they acted., the.refore, on the principle of excluding persons 'from a county vote, because he hail already • a vote in the Hundred, the next step would be. to deprive . those who had a vote in a, town of their vote for the county. He proteited against de priving' any man of 'his franchise on. Speeulative grounds; . lie was toientilyio the principle adopted in the.case of §bocellam. . , . The Report was ordered to be received on Mon day, the Zlst Febrnary'neit, till which tittle the .Writ•fur-the Borough - -was suspende& J., • .:••• ~. , IRISH ELECTION BILL. , . . 'On the motion of Mr. NVYtiNtt, this,Bill was committed, reportt.7l - ,--smi soon afterwards cedd a third . time.and passed. • INSOLVEtiT DEBTORS. , LordAt.TitoßP broughtin the Insolvent Debtors 11.,.,and moved its _first reading. IVIr.,.CALcRAFT wished to call the attention of NOble - Lord to a part of his speeek on a for -river day, which, contrary lo his intent inns be was ‘.B4ve,,had,,woonded, thelettings of a . mast respect able individnal, whOm he had known for a num. ter of years. lie alluded to' the late ,Ciiief Clerk Nit the insolvent Debtors Court. 4 4 ord ALTHORP said, he, was ,sorry that any thing he had said should , have wounAed . the feel ings-of the indiiidual in question. He certhilAy did not intend to do g( - ). In. the course of the in . vestigation before the Committee nothing came out which would warrant any imputation against hiM. He had stated, that he wai glad that his Majesty's Ministers had . 4 , emoved.erveryrofEcer , of the Court., because, from the circumstance of, the manner in which the . . Court. had been , con-' ducted . , it had losr , the confidence of the public, and could not go on. In stating 6 , 4, however, die. did not intend to .throw out any imputation against the individual in question. The Bill was then read a first time, and the se •cond reading was fired for Wedn'esd.iy, 'the 16th February next.. ORDNANGE ESTIMATES. Mr. R. WARD'postponed his notice upon this subject to Monday, and stated, that if he should not be ready then he would renew his notice for Wednesday: • • 1,101) DUTIES., Mt. S'AvinaT moved (or ; an account of. the re turn (if dinies•on bops during „ the year 4819, dis. Linguishing the old and the newsduties.—Ordered, MALT DUTIES. • 'Cord A. lIAMILTON presented a petition froni the Noblemen, . Gentlemen, Ifreehulder;s, C l omurib: sioners of Supply, and Justices of the Peace of the County 'of Lanark, complaining of the'va*riOul acts 4vltich regulated the duties on mirlt.--.4order , ed to .lie,on the.Tdble. DARFNIOOR FOREST. Mr. Alderman Woof) said, that in ()vier to pro. vide einploynient and sustenance for the poor, lit should move; that .13ditmour Forest, along witl the public buildings upon it, be distributed the poor. He now gave noticu of his intentioi to make stick a motion soon after the recess. Air. Se►jeant OttsLuiv hoped that the 'flvorth: Al►lerman would illthe mean time ascertain wile titer •it was not private property. Mr. Alderttia►► Woor said, he couhi satisfy Learned Serjeaut that•it was not•.' N EWSPA PE R ST AN! P 411 ES. ~, Lord CASTLEREAGH MO% ed the Ofdei for thl farther cousideration of the Deport of the News paper Scamp Duties Bill, for the purpose of re committing it. Mr. J. SMYTH said, be bad this day teen a great many persons connected with the book tradewbO were of opinion that their interests would. be very much "affected by this Bill. He 'hoped the Noble Lord would therefore allow full tithe for the'cowsideration of so important a mea sure. The Booksellers, notwithstanding the al terations which had been made, were still in the greatest alarM respecting this Bill. He was wil ling to believe that it was not the intention of the Noble Lord to affix a stamp duty to certain pub lications respecting which e their apprehensions - -'444e excited, but the Bill as now worded' would liai'ethe effect of - doing so. It would requite a -day or Iwo at least to examine the Bill to see its What' way it would operate. • lie wished to know , . 'from the Noble Lord whether time would bu granted for the proper examination of this Bill Lord CASTLEREAGH Said, he would consent to have the Bill to commiited on Monday nest:- He did not Think it would be advisable to fix a' later day'for this stage of the Big, as it was desirable `that a measure of the kind•bliould be discussed with Cite fullest attendance. In the interval between L ‘ ti f Monday, the Bill , might undergo the ex- ItilM Ei nation which Gentlemen wished. I.lteAroped. v tliat his proposition would meet the views ofboth •19titiffils.` iortre'enniiierstif4on between Mr. Beotter, 41rfittiefneli?,•tturAdVistlereagh, 1 1 1 4100).•44rilitgliaitif Aftliztte 4 Speaket e thiefly reitft4t -iii'g4ite4tiNtlit-Irvit•iiliiffieLßill-Was to be really *or deli Vera i oiliteM4vniYetiP' Mr. Neetildkortnt tii(l, o .tiiii! was infinitely the most ihiport ant 00111 "the ineasitres lately frubmitfell to Parliament.' - The Douse were called upon . ro "kit'ellue tind,intpcirtant entisideralitin Co the-sub ject of this Bill—to pause beliire they' - gaVe their sanction tn so important a change in our system. Th . elpfeliAibns, of this Bill were not t3o ititjuSrtaut in themselves, as was the toundation•brfuttne legislation laiti.by ia. This was. one of the most impUrtftlfCrtietuftees ever submitted to Parliatnent. It seeing's' to , hitil they. there was nothing ht the character of the meaiure which required the press ing it lbreptrgh be Molise in Iheinanner poposed. 'Lord CASTLEREAGH 'agreed with the Hon. and Learned Genttertian in considering the peseta as the most important' of the measures which Go verninent had submitted to Parliament. Tilere twat nothing which woad so fundamentally go to tranqoillizing the Country. - Some means it was necessary to find to rescue the • Cdontry from th* abuses of the press. 'Mr. BROUGHAM said, the principle of the Bill was so involved and mired nfstwith details, that it was impossible to diseuitoli-Cprincipletill the details of the arrangement vvetelliown. • Lord CASTLEREAGH observed; thfirafter the ar rangements were agreed to in the Committee on Monday, the discussion on - the•principle •might take place on the subsequent:stage. Mr. BROUGHAM hoped that between this and Monday such alterations might be deviied as w oulcl riecote'lhe - interests of this trade, not merely for the sake of ;:be trade itself, but for the sake of the whole community. His objection was chiefly directed to the principle of resorting to stamp dit ties, not 'as a mekIIS of revenue, but of prohibi tion of publication. Lord- CASTLEREAGH then- moved, that' the Bill - he re-committed - on Monday next. • Agreed to. A MEMBER, whose-narne , eould not be learned., moved for an Account-of the Exche.quer-Bals issued since the Ist of September last, specityiog the:rates of .interest at whieh- they were issued, and . the rates they hear in thelthatket. The CHANCELLOR" Of, titer Extitiquett wislltd ale Hon: Member to give notice cat leas ' ~notio,a. ARMY tsTimATEs: The House having resolved itself into a Com mittee of 'Supply, Lord PALmBitSTON . rose to prop ose-a vo'e of At my Estimates 'on account. He sail that at this eat!) , period'of the ,season'it was tot possi ble to make out the Estimattcin , detail. Oit this account; and also for the conifewerace of the House, he wished to propose at Vot-e , 6tl account, for the estimates' of whieh . only !an iabstract bad been presented.. The -sum he .wished to propose to vote would arnount to nearlrone and a half million, which. would include Afrefelpence of call ing out the Pensioners. We should therefore de she to reserve all discussion cal the ,aware detailed estimates were laid before: the -House later the Recess, and 'the final -vote prop4sed. He con cluded:by thhvin'g vote'ot '900,0001. on accouLt of the Land 'Service, with the 'exception of Ire land 'and the troops 'in the service of the- East India Company. ' Mr. CALCRAFT said, he should not press the :discussion' dt the' subject- tagainst the Wish of the House, but it did appear strange, that when 10 or 12,000 men were 'added, to a standing army its time of peace, and that standing army too the largest that ever'Was 'known in 'the' - country at any similar time, that- the'Noble Lord should pass -it over as an ordinary matter of business whisk called for no explanation_ - -T - 11Ough lie was not prepared, tinder the 'cirtamstances - e,f • tlto country, tei - jarty that - he should peremptorily op pose the calling out niche Peasionets, yet he thought it the duty- the Members of the House to. awaken the jealousy of .the Country to such proceedings. • Ile hardly knew, however, how to begin a discussion on which he should be ready to enter, t as; the Noble Lord had given no reasons for the vote. He saw too, among the votes, a. sum fur the Military College. " lie, for one, shoitld:object to that vote at that moment, as the 'utility . 0 . 1 'that application of money was at this tune very questionable. lie had rather that the Noble Lord should take a sum on account gene tally, without specifying particular heads, as the l'arliame f nOroirld theta' be to no princi ple, except, .perhaps„. II a .of the increase 'of the army hyellliftg out' t he •Peusit4 , .rs. • • Lord e..A.:L.RsTi,'Nsaid, thelloUsi Arad at the beginuitrig of the. Session . been made acquainte.l with the !increase -of the army by tl.e Prince Re gent's Speech.' Me:lld : proposed a Vote gerte rally fur the service•ot:One quarter, and he should 'Wave 'no objection to propose tr - frite for t4ie - .whole on ac court, withOtt ecifyihk particitiliDicrvlces, with the exception. of .11.4 t. for .the Mriß{rary Col lege afol'Asyom, wirielLdid , tint paisr-ifihrugh the hands of the Paymatter-tieneyal, and which it Wall t _tcle