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anti the latter 151, wlich clearly showed the progressive increAse in the latter periods ; -and these he compated with what took place for a few years before and since the couclusion of the late war, which, on a specification of the numbers, shetved the immense increase occurring in the recent instance, It was proper, he thought, that these considerations should be attended to, in order that it may be seen how far the same effect operated at intervals Of transition from a state of war to one of peace; and he thought it tight to trouble their Lotdships with these qo . iservations, which would tend to enable them to form a jester conclusion as to the cames which contributed so laigely,to the recent great increase of these serious offences. The subject would come under their consideration in some ether shape. They might easily conceive the ef fect of necessarily having great numbers ot men di.eharged front our naval and military es•ablisl... Mew's, which ware recently extensive, tar beyond all f.4mer preccdent, and the lamented cnnse treni•ei adverted to twist naturally be expected tt; he great in pr.porzion. "I he Niarquis nfLAsspowse concurred with the Noble Ertl in some d, gtee , h\ i t by no means, to the 101 l event of his inferences. The lamented jai r , ase of clime did not, he observed, particu larly take place at the period of transition from %var to peace, as the greatest increase was in a period -1 peace, and in some degree doting the coetinttance of war. The causes were to he at trilmted to the state of the country in other re soet.rs. The increase of taxation might he te irded as the principal ; the fl ett:minus of pro periy had also some share in produciug it ; but he did n ot thi n k ti,at the reductions in our naval and mitlitat y establishments had by any means that slime in contributing to tile evik in question ; indeed it was rather a matter of surprise that the number of soldiers and sailors convicted was com paratively so small. The great increase of juve nile delinquency was also a lamentab:e cause, and with this that which the Noble Earl adverted to lead little or nothing to do, as appeared plainly on the face of the returns. The state of the great manufactories, and the baneful practice of crowding such numbers of young persons loge. !her, might also be regarded as a c.,11.5e ; and he farther thought the effect of our extensive iedlic- Ow) was now comparatively trifling as we were Dow in the fourth year of peace. The Earl of Ltvaffrooe shortly explained, as to the effect of some of his statements, which he thought the Noble Marquis to have misetinceived. The Marquis of LIN:snow:0; c o n:in n ed his ob servations. Ihe increase of crime of late years was beyond all former precedent ; it was in a three-fold ratio. In concluding, he trusted those most important topics to which the Petition re ferred would muel with the full and ConSi dermion of P,rliameat, with a view to the tho rotigh revisal of a system so truly alarming and pregnant with evil. The Earl of LivECPOOL fortLer explained, that the data to which he had referred was by no means assigned as the general cause ; but that its consideration formed a material and prominent feature of the subject, Lord KING expressed his opinion, that there was hot little hopes to he entertained of really owliorating the state of the coutitry In these re spects, until ;he ancient and svl►ole'some ssteto of payments in specie would be' again recurred to. The monopoly in which the Bank was indulged for the exclusive issue of small notes, was, he held, inittlions in more respects than one ; and particularly it fostered the injurious and much exzlaimed-against practice of ,forgery, inasmuch as it rendered :hat Corporation quite cat eless in that respect ; ►thereas the Country Bankers, by exerting a proper degree of vigilance, were little liable to such impositions. The Clumsy manner io which the National Bank notes were fabricat ed, also afforded much facility to forgeries. Let cash payments be again restorer ! , and the Bank deprived of those exclusive advantages which - it was not entitled to by its, Charter, and the most salutary consequences, he thought, would follow. he Ntition was then ordered to lie on the table. CARE OF HIS MAJESTY'S PERSON.-WINDSOR` ES- B 1 - INI ENT. The i of LIVERPOOL moved the Order of the Day "or their Lordships going into a Committee on this B Previous, however, to the Lord Chancellor's quitting the ‘Voolsack, The Marquis r,f LANSDOWNE gave notice of his inter►tion to n►uvr, 011' .Mooday next, for copies of,the Instructions sent to the livitish Governors in the E-,si l n di es,with regard to the cession of the Dutch Colonies, consequent upon the Peace of, Paris.. The Earl of SHAPTISBURY then took the Chair of the Committee 00 the above Bill ; when Lord ifoLLaNn rose, and re-urged his objec tions of last evening, but more in detail, against the Bill in its present shape. He confessed he still enrettaioed his objections to i• ; hut lie beg ged to he understood as harbouriug uo idea whatever that any whey prrson than hig Royal Big-Imes% the Duke of Yolk could so properly be entrusted with the care of his i‘lajesty's Person.— Dlany considerations, lie thone,ht, i combined to tender that illustrious individual the most proper person fur the purpose. 1-le, however, seem ed to drink it would he more proper to unite that appointment and the regulation of the future Windsor Establishment in one Bill. The Noble Earl spoke yesterday of the inten tion to reduce these Establishments ; but there, was no provision of that kind in the Bill—it ;Toed betote the House merely on the Noble Eat l's ISStirkillCe. For his part, he thought such el r. auction should have taken place long since, inasmuch as it conferred no - personal comfort or dignity with respect to his Majesty, and induced a useless hinthen on the country. The Noble li t t,.r.rl hid certainly in or her instances changed his opinions bs to the EstabilS . lollelltS proper for other branches of the Royal Family ; he, conld no!. therefore, think it inconsistent in him, if he had proposed a reduction in this branch of tie Royal Expeuditure. But the present Bill called upon the House to place certain patronage in the hands of _the Illustrious Individual, without knowing what that patronage was. The - Establishinent wally useless and burthensome. There %%AS 110 W f: no Tewer than four Lords of the Behiiarn ber, which induced the unconstitutional cunsi deration of an imperiwn in imperib. Upon the whole, be must dissent from the measure in its present shape; it was admitted another Bill would be necessary to complete what was intend ed—then why not unite them ? At present their deliberations were fettered on the proposed extent of the Windsor Establishment, which formed so important a feature in the whole arrangement ; it was utterly unknown to their Loidshrps ; to ob viate such incongruity, he would move as an amendment, that what followed in the first clause, atter the words " full power and authority," be omitted. The Ball of LIVERPOOL, in answer to what fell from the Noble Baron, again contended his objec tions proceeded from a mistaken view of the real question before the Committee, and argued, that the most regular and proper course, tinder the cir cumstances, was that now adopted. They all ex pre,sly agreed that hi< Royal Highness the Duke of York should be the custos persona., and the No ble Lord must have reason to think, from the .issnrances he had received, that A reduction in the pre , ent establishment ei;as.intended. The case, as it affected her late Majesty, was very different. — She had been the Queen Consort of the reigning Sovereign, and what was provided had !elation to her Majesty in that character, as well as the King. Under such circumstances, any saving which could properly be made must liave beet in considerable. If the same establishment was now called for, it n ()old be a 4roond of objection, but all they were called upon was to say, that whate ver the establishment might be, it should be placed tinder the contrutd of the illustrious Duke, as the determined curios persona.. The objection of the establishment constitut ii an imperium in impetio, was pecnliar to that in question 5 the several in dependent establishments of other branches of the Royal Family, particularly that of the Prince of Wales, were fully as liable to such an objection. After farther continuing this line of argument, with equal ability ,pod success, the Noble Earl said, lie must kiecidedly object to the proposed amendment. Lord HOLLAND and the Noble Minister spike respectively in explanation. The loestion was put, and the amendment immediately negatived by their Lordships. The Earl of LtYaaroot. observed, be had to propose the filling up the vacancy in the Assistant Council, caused by tke lamented demise of his Noble and Learned Friend, Lord Ellenborough. Without its implying the least shadow of disre• spect to his Lordship's worthy successor as Chief Justice, when the various important and exten sive judicial avocations of that Learned Verson were duly considered, it was held preferable to nominate some other person to be appointed. fie would therefore move, " That John Jetferies, Marquis Camden, be appointed One of hi s R oya l Highness's Council, in the room of John Lord Ellenbormugh, deceased." Lord HOLLAND Said, he hell it as a good omen that one, who had !!:0 very nobly, spontaneously, and eisinterestedly wrought so extensiv e a re _ form, in his own Establishment, as the N o bl e Marquis, should he so appointed.—(A laugh.) nomination was voted by their Lortiships nem. di'. The other blank, which referred to the number of the quorum of tie Council, was (as could be collected) filled Op by the words, " or any three orinore of tlc.fm," The Bill being gone through, the Houle re sumed, and forthwith adjourned till to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS, JAN. 27. GENERAL BURTON. The SPEAKER acquainted the Horne, that on the 15th inst. he had received a letter, signed Robert Christie Burton, stating that the nriter had been returned a Member for 13everley, on the 17111JuOe last, hut that,' being in tie Prison of the Court of Comtuon Pleas (the Fleet), the ‘Varder of that prison had declared that he could not release him until authorized by a warrant frOni the Speaker of the House of CommonA ; and re questing that he (the peaker) would be pleased to communicate the same to the House. In answer, he (the Speaker) had written to General Burton, and informed him that at the first conve nient opportunity he would communicate t h e sub stance of his letter to the. House.. lie had since received a letter front the same Gentleman, dated the 20th January, requesting that he would not mention his former letter to the House, as cir cumstances. bird subsequently occurred which would plohably enable him to take his seat on the ensuing Monday ; but at a bite hour last night another letter bad been•transmitted to hint from General Billion, stating that he had been disap pointed expectations, referring to his letter of. the 15th, and again requesting that he (the Speaker). would state the Contents to the [louse. Tire House would perhaps pardon him for calling their attention to a similar occurrence which took place in 1807, when an Honourable Member stated that he was detained in similar confinement. An order Wai tlien made to refer the complaint to the Committee of Privileges, which sat next day, and whose only object Was to establish the identity of the individual. That having been proved, the Committee made their Report, and he was ordered to be discharged out of costody. Sortie Hon. Member would perhaps move a similariproceeding in the present instance. Mr BATHURST accordingly moved, that Gene ral Burton's letter should be referred to the Com mittee of Privileges, to examine and report thereon to the House.—Oldered. _ • _ _ •ILO •••••• ...••—•..- Th.is was followed by the usual order, that they should sit and proceed on the subject to-morrow. WESTMINSTER ELECTION. Mr. BENNET obtained leave to bring in a Bill for the hod), r continuance of the Act of the 21st of the King, attending the laws for the election of Members of that House, respecting the eXpen ces of hustings and poll-clerks, as far as it te gartied.tl►e City : of lA'estminster. Mr. BENNET soon after bronght in the Bill, which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second tune to-morrow, 0 BANK OF. ENGLAND.. At the suggestion of Mr. MANNING, and with t he ac quiescence of Mr. GRENFELL, en alteration was Trmie in the date of one of the nrdert made yesterday, in consequence of the motion of the latter-mentioned Gent! min. RATE OF INTEREST. Mr. Serjeant ONsLo►v gave,notice, that on the 7th of February he would submit to the !louse a motion respecting the rate at intereat,ot money. TRANSPORTATION. Mr. BENNBT gave notice, thlt on the Sty of February he world move for the appointment of a Committee to inquire into the condition of the hulks, into the movie of transporting convicts, anti into the state of the colonies to which they were sent. TETE ARMY. On the motion of Mr. CALCRAFT, a return was ordered to he hid before the House of the effec tive strength of the Officersi Non-commissioned Officers, and Privates of the Army on the 25th of Jan. 1819, distinguishing the Foot -Goards from the other forces. Also a return of the effective Strength of the !loyal Aitillery at the same pe riod, distinguishiug those serving at home from those serving abroad. Also a retort' of the esta blishment of Store-keepers General on the Ist Ja finery 1819. FORGERIES. Sir J. MACKIiJTOSH observed, that he ws de sirous of moving for some bother Returns on the subject of the prosecutions for Forgery by the Bank of England, Returns which had become ne cessary by the interval that had elapsed from the period when the last wete prodyced. But as that motion would afford him an opportunity of rtHk ing some observations on the important Report of the Commissiouers for inquiry into the best means of preventing Forgery, he would at present merely give notice of Lis um; ion. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. ?Jr. BRoGDEN brought up the Report of the Committee of Supply, the Resolution of which was agreed to. SILVER COIN. Mr. GRENFELL wished to ask if the fli =ht Hon. Gentleman opposite was aware of the tact that the price of standard Silver, at the present moment, was five shillings and seven-pence haltptnny an ounce, being three halfpence an ounce above the Mint Regulation, which the year before last was four or five per cent above tha: pri'-e ? His rea sou for asking was, that wider such circuit). stances, a temptation existing, k: melt or ex. , ort the Silver Coin, we might expect its gradual &sap ipearmuce, in the same manner as the Gold Coin had disappeared under similar circumstances. He also wished to ask the Rigll Honourable Gentle man whether, if the fact was as he had stated . and believed it to be, he (the Chancellor of the Ex !,chequer, was prepared with • 'any expedient to counteract the effect of such an operation on the commerce and industry of the country ? The CHANCELLOR of 0)2 EXCHEQUER replied, that the House must be aware he could not im mcdiatti!jy answer such a 'question as th at propos ed to tal her the Honourable Gentleman. A . 1 ( 1 e ,e could lay was, tie:: t although be bad-heard of,(1 circumstance attvet ted to by .t be Honourabla Crfacq:- lemur), he had Itiatself k"" k-d g e of the fact and he hdd reason be the high price of Silve: . at the present mon it would not be of long coot inuence. n to beli.zve, that whatever je,ut, 13ANK. oir ENGLAND. Mr. PROTHEROE expressed his hope that some Hon. Nlember, who was one of the Directors of the Bank of England, would (4 -et to the Com mittee appointed to investigate their cap acit y to resu me Cash Payments being a secret on e ; be cause it was most important that the Commi;tee alipoioted to examine , that fact should carry with it the public confidence, and he very .nineb dottlit ed whether the Report of. a Secret Committee . would he sn accompanied. Mr. IVIAS:Ntsw observed, that for on e he was hound to discharge his duty ill that House as a Member of Parliament, and not as. S 1 Bank Di rector, and that he s hould he infineneed in his'eOnduct by 'a strict reference to that coo. sideration. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHIMVER said, th a t if the Hon. Member for Btistol would refer to the Report of the'Committee 17D7, tvoidd prechtded the public not find any thing which from becoming possessed of all the considerations on rr hich that Report was (minded. He now gave notice, t h a t on Tuesday next lie would move for a Committee of Secrecy on the state of the Bank of Eugland, with reference to the resump tion of Cash Payments at the period now fixed by law, and on other matters .connected therewith. Mr. TIERNitY observed, that the last expres sion used by the Right Hon. Gentleman was ob scure. It might mean that which he (Mr. Tier ney) wished to moved for, and it might not. The motion which he (Mr. Tierney) intended to make included the whole subject. Did the Right Hon. Gentleman object to his motion ? The Right Hon. Gentleman said, that he would move for a Committee of Secrecy. He requested him to state, as a matter of candour, whether or not he meant to propose that the Committee should be chosen by ballot ? The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHECLUEIy replied, that he meant to propose that the Committee should be constituted as Secret Committees al ways were. If the Right Hon. Gentlemen's no tions did not agree with his, both their notices might still stand. Mr. TIERNISY observed,, that the Right Hon. Gentleman's notice at present was different from that which he originally gave ; which was con fined to a mere inquiry into the capacity of the Bank to resume Cash Payments. Of that he (Mr. Tierney) had no doubt. iiis object seas ro institute a more general inquiry, in order that hould the resumption of Cash Payments tie fur ther postponed, the House and the Country :night act with their. eyes open. Was that the flight., Honourable Gentleman's object ? If so, let the. Right Honourable Gentleman say so. and he (Mr. Tierney) would by no means object to the proposition. Or was the Right Honoordhle Gen tleman's only intention to oppose hint (Mr. Tiet ney) at air events—to contend that what he him self proposed was right, and what he (Mr. Tier , ney) proposed was wroog ? In other words,' did the Right . Honourable Gentleman mean the saute thi e he ig nt r ienl T a i n ern a e g y r ) ee t d lid? ene i r f ai t i l y ie Ig Honourable a s tv ills :.Anar• t p i r a n n p y cri c t i t i t o o s n e , n, a; i l l t e l wnnld tFootmotbniiet(t,eteroxi.zirse.rni(ictril: After some ft,rtlier explanation by the Chance lor . o; time Exchequer, to y Mr. TLIIRNEY asked if he would tb* l d quirt' by Pie Secret Conamitiee to 311-rred fact—whether or not the Bank wou ld be PriPa to pay in Cash on the sth of nett JolY To this the Cif e! ..AN...at.t.da of the fixca."-.,tee replied, that he meant to propose the Co'll f° r _ i m irt for the same potrtniSeA thoge fur which the C opt was appointed in 1797. till Mr. TIEPNBY fintii4 , said, theft s io t he had doOehtic that he could to avoid unnecessary diartisni that snch being the determination of the gigrse lion. Gentleman, he muse persevere in the e 00, 4 of which he had given notice; for every ° lt o • what would he the Report of a Co mmittee pointed by ballet. EI.ECTION PE rims. 9lai n! A Petition froth 14 , nd C. rownsbentlo O M ' s o r , ing of an undue return for Tathworth, &led to be taken into consideration on I%l°' the 9th of ALtrch.—Adjourned. LAW INTF,LLIGENCE. COURT OF KING'S BENCH, JAN. 97' TOE XING v. AICoRN AND BRIDGF3. The defendants'ih t hi s h a d heed' i (7-11 10 llisl d op, against whom the e d ten evi,i t aols 1 " 11 euce in the Court of Exelic(fuer, s 5 deo assisting in a stuttgglito , tran•atil o " " ' ("I • 111„it,litgeS,e[ittlictsttili'sesre,x.1617, Parta t n a l place ea lied ill' 1 on the prosecution of the deteni:llat'll:tcse, that they had swot') falsely, was, that, 0" " 9. , ; 11 sri day the 13:h of September, a grand-chili' Its the elder, died ; that on Sunday, the I'Ll)l,l);,.drlilic went to church, to appoint a (lay f or ir.s °a that he then returned nine did n ot 0ft cr ,,,, , t1 stir out ; and, consequently:could not ha" j 'i j is at Milhide-bridge, which is several miles f' -°lll residence. „ t o The ATTORNEY-GENERAL ow moved t h at „(.. ver di 'f should be set aside, mid a new find grr;ic ed. He founded this application on of the Clerk of the Church to which theo. Guy swore he went, on Sunday, the 14th orl;is ternber, to consult respecting the boiris l or ad grand-child—which gran d -child, the C1e,r_4,11,114 deposed, was buried on the 9kh of SepteuluectbC though lie* was stated not to have (lied hot" 13th.—Rule granted.—(British Press.) SbRREY SESSION JANUARY 27. CHILD DROPPING. tr °9g A case /teas tried here whit! excited the of itiro . f N interest. It occupied nearly five hours. .no URTO vary ably conducted the prusealti - - Mr. COWLEY lIIC defence. , A/the Atkinson. and Thomas Stephens a ris e We dieted for haying conspired to defraud the t of Bermondsey, by exposing their male 105‘ --( c hild o pposite the Workhouse of that parish. c Jane Johanna Stapleton said, she bred No. 56 Brunswick-street, Biackfriars The female defendant came to take a lo d et at, her house ; 3aid she was the wife ut u xeiserm n. lo the evening she came 'W.'. wi‘h the rude defendant, rind paid e•tri l( ; sf ec i both , took possession in about a week, a nti bl u s together as - man and wile. The womao 1 ti , r advanced in pregnancy. The man tii (1 1: when the child was born they sho"i d to his mother's, alethey were ,going The child, a boy, was born on the 26•11 Witness was at the birth. Mrs. Lewis et;?ts ' 19 ,. 1 7,5r The child remained in the Noose tithe 1 ' 4 7; try after which it was taken to nurse. The fettli;:r nod mother left the ho"'`„n ` e same day, and returned aliont. a tveA, and for the child. They tutu took the rWit:,,,C with them: they returned at' half - p as ' night without it. The man %vas in a v"Y Ji rre hoed and fainting state. Witness kiSk°l verf the child was; The woman said it v' and well taken care of, at tier's. Witness was not satisfi ed, it"' f - 14 i 1 ,,10 lined her enquiries for several days. The le i to oic defendant told her, that she 11 11(1 the ow l ' o f the child, and bought a rush ha4:et and a P ie t : t t o stew flannel, wrapped the child up it) it, ) the e into the basher, and that the man tied i t i t l s ) , o o, , knocker of a door, opposite BermondseY't ro or h w t !louse, while site watched at the top of th fl , chit there were two or three nap kinc, a C a re two, and a sleep ' " sleeping gown ; that there Wa s 0 / . ward of la for the discovery of the poid oat Witness afterwards atv the father, and "%Ohl' site midersiood what he had done wi th 0)e the Ile said he had no other means of get t "', child into the work-house. tans see The defendants wete found Guilty , tented to six months' imprisonment. Dov e? A Gentleman who b u d j us t landed At Id from France, on Saturtlity last, was 094010 by the Tide Surveyor of the Customs, °fro% gold watches and 55 gold musical seals t"k e r in tea his pin son ; the value of the whol e la cst'll,:rli at neatly I 0001. The articles were ver y claw conceakd round different pints of his l!,00.-1 . . MARRA F.D. IC" f o l On the 26th inst„ at St. Pancras, Sir julrn Macle Bi t l i r der i,„ the Bath, to Sa'rah, only child of I.3enj Conlin:Hider tit the Must Honourable and Military ow o Highgate. DIED. .. o .of . On Sqttirday, 1 he 2d inst., after a short illness, 111i01' 0f35 on:y d,Jot4liter (if Sir it ott.in..Lewes, KO. „f f rh r Ott ;tt twily, the 2;td trot , Elizabeth, wif .- od ;'''' Dow , liittz, Esq., of the King' . • 'CII . 'i" we - o' s- road, de sea. ;twin Price) tl l of i,er age. ' • , io j , . On the 3d inst. at Scofield, Mrs. Elizaltetli L et. 'd gro n ,( 10 . 411; year of her ace. Out of fifty-six children a" ‘i ii hw r ,„ elii!Oren, deceased wus Pt esent tit the birth of forg' cloo l ,j. 59tit year she Was delivered 01 her youngest chitot., 0 al o f I, AI ( 122. 4 5 q. Site was never ii:loWfl to employ ti PhY s , lc :l l o.;t ) mil ,. 1t to • A t co 6rel ‘. 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