The Sun. — London, England, 1816-05-16 00:00:00

. . itindd much better, at rising . , fa adjourn over till Friday. Lord CAsTLEREAun droved that the House at its rifling should adjonrn to Vriday. 7 ---Agreed to. . Mr. CUR‘vEN gave notice of a 11101100 011 tilt:. toor Laws on the 24th. Mr. Bsact.mt moved for Accounts of Duties on tottp in 1815 and 1816, distinguishliug the hard -and Suit soap ; and also for Accounti of the Numbers of the Manufacturers. Ordered, Colonel PALMER moved that the returns from the Board of Ordnance relative to the small gnu elepartment, which had been 'ordered before the holidays, should be laid upon the table forthwith. Ordered. The report of the Parish Apprentices Bill was `ordVred for Friday. The 'Committee on Mendieity in the metropolis wa ordered to make a report, on the motion of Mr. Rose. SAVINGS BANKci. Mr. Rost: brought up the Savings Banks Bill, Which was read a first time. Mr. Bose then said, he wished to state very generally its objects, as. it had excited great public attention both in Great Britain and Ireland, hut without going into de tails. The Bill authorized Bodies to enrol them- Selves for the purpose of institutiog Banks for :Savings. It authorized the Officers of these societies to make rules and regulations ; rind that Tie instruments should be enrolled at the SQS. s hilt it. gave no.no wee to the Sessions to alter or controls! them. It was neeessat y: kind of registry. It allowed the societies to ap point their own officers, and those whit had money in trust were to give security : but they were to have uo protection respecting money not in their sands, as it was essential to prevent persons from lending it out on any private security. In the friendly societies, souse persons had got in whose - "object was to procure loans. There was a proviso that no depositor should be prevented front his claim to his par6chial relief : otherwise labouring then would be averse to entering these societies, as it was possible overseers might refuse them relief. These were the chief points of the Bill. 1 - le bll a been asked to • include the charitable loans, 'of which he warmly approved, in this Bill. "He kneW bow useful they had been . in small sums at Bath anti Edinburgh ; but it had appeared to him 'better to make this Bill pure and simple. He • wished it to be printed, and lie over ,for a fort night for general consideration. He moved the second reading for Friday next. Sir Newpoar said, that no 'place would be more benefited by the Bill than Ireland ; but' be hoped some measure would be adopted by which inoiley, when at a certain amount, should be vested in public securities in the Bank of England or Trelimit. Mr. 11,03 E had no wish to hasten the Bill. Or , tlererl.to b e read a 2d time on Friday. and printed. CommitCees were allowed to meet to. morrow. The second reading of the Gaol Fees Abolition 13ill was ordered tor Friday. The Alalt Duty Bill Was read a third time and passed. A Petition was -.received from the distillers of Cork. Colonel 4ir WooD postponed his motion till Monday. FILBNCII CONTRIBUTIONS. „t 9„ „1 1 11 no been paid to this country by the _French Govern trot ut, un lllTlOttlit that was well worthy the atten tion of Parliament, as it was not less than the auto of 6,000,0001, But the main question was, whether that sutn, or a suns still larger, was a droit of the Crown, might be dealt with as per sonal income, anti was' to be left entirely to the disposal of the Sovereign. Should that be the Case, then at the end of a protracted war, the Sovereign wo4dd have a source of revenue inde liendent of Pat Hauteur, and contrary to all former usage.—Nune could deny that such a question was iiiiportant, and affecting the vital interests of the Uoustftotion, as such a doctrine tended to coun teract the authority of Parliament, and to remove the tothrarks of the Coastitutioo. The grounds of 'such it eLtito ought Jo be called for, and what -ever might be the result, it was the duty of a :NleMber of Parlifitneot to bring the question be tore the Utilise.. M the observations he meant to offer, he should try to be short nor should he load the quieitut with legal quotatifwg, unfit for such all assembly as that House, but Should he gutted by the great roles of the Coostitution, and of justice. lie hoped he should not be told that it uo statute was violated, that the doctrine was vd el! founded. As there n ere many offences that were no breach of a statute, so there were many offences agaiost • the Constitution that was no breach of any positive law. lie should be per. "fedi), dispavionate, anti AO impute no tlrli bcrate breach of the Coustitution, but only a pro ceeding that ought to he guarded against in fa titre. The-King of France had engaged to pay a certain sum to the army of occupation, and it bad seen stated by Ministers, that no vote of Parlia inent would be called for to provide for the charge f these troops. Bat that was a most extraordi- Lary proceeding, considering the coustitutional guards against a standing military force: one of which was peculiar to the House of - Commotk.as all Money Bilk must originate itt that House, But as far us the arniy in Prance was concern ed, Ministers had proposed to se; aside that Con• tffittit imial principle, and lustend, alga% the revolu tion, of substituting right for Might, to substitute Plight for right. That ground, however, had beets afterwards abandoned ley Ministers, and a vote had been submitted to the House. The charge of the army in three years would exceed the whole of the sum to be paid by F rance as an 'lndemnity, and at all events there would not be a balance or more than half a million to this mut- The treaty . professed to indemnify Great Britain, and no erplanation was.atforded why that indemnity was to be reduced to half n -million, though fur Onions had been promised for pay nod indemnity. ,Of that he complained, as it was a there contingency, if there would be any*ttr 7 pins to Opitt Britain. One million four hundred tli:Htsand pounds was to be paid for the hardiest rif !fie 'Alit Upon Great gritain ; and that tutri k)Bre !teen acceptedhy the Whist) Govern. c ith e t to hi , paid to the soldiefs, or to be .13,t front tits I D ell Lc 4 .l,g :lofted f 1 . .• bribe reasons for the paym ent, it would seen that there %VaS tut eugagement lit Iconour to oay it to 'the troops. .If that was the 'can. !lieu there wits a novelty of a very alarloing hilt" 4 dona tion trotu foreign Princes to British troops ; ;old a principle of gra kit& of a most dolgert" ls ten dency was established loon a lit iris') army to those .ftneigo Princes. Bat it might be said, the Urown might dispose of the money in any other way; and then it would tall under the general question, and must be defended as a donative to the army from -the British Crown ; which would form a most alarming precedent, not that he meant in the smallest degr,ee to detract from the glorious servi ces of tilt:oh - my, but only wished the reward to be given by the Crowu and by Parliament. The question for consideration was, if these sums paid by France were at the disposal of the Crown as the droits of the Admiralty woe claimed to be, and to be applied to private enjoyment us private property. lie by elo mimeos wished to cu,:tail the proper splendour of the Crown, or to withhold the means of munificence and bounty. If the means were inadequate, they should • be increased, but not at the expenee of the right of the 1-louse of Commons, and the liberties of the country. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had Claimed the whole as droits of the Crown ; and be as a Mi nister of Finance, and as a hiwyer of great ex perience, was honied to much respect. Upon him it was incumbent to state' the grounds of his new opinion syl m ielt hail never been advaoced nroleisional ..nevialtv ni 160 .ussertion had not beep made in the warmth. of hate., An act of ownership had taken place on the part of the CroWn, nod part of the money haul been applied.hr a manner, that, hoWever in itself commemlable, formed, no part of tlie public ser vice. A letter, dated Dec: 26, 181:4 had' been seta from .the Board of Treasury to the , Commis.• sary•iu Chief, directiog that- the sum of 200,000 7franes should be applied out of the money paid by France, to defray the eXpence of, a Monument to thetardinal of Yorke.. fled that sum been paid from a prienteiincome it would, have, been much to be praised, but the. public money should ,not have been applied to paying such funeral ha ' pours. TO such a procedure, as at best ambigu ous, and, in fact, a libel on the Revolution, he felt the ;twit strenuous objection. It seemed (men; tatiously to imply that helWas entitled to Royal linours, because he was descended from a fatuity that had once been Royal, but which had ceased to be so by au act of justice.. Ile (Sir .1, M.) as disposed to treat him as a Prince from courtesy and compassion, but not as having any claim to the Royal dignity. The money epithet' to trans port, the works of art might be for a public object, hut that could not be .the disclose alluded to. Though the slim was small, yet the principle was the same, and it part ". might be applied, so milieu the whole. He must protest against such an ap plication, till he was convinced by argument, or silenced by the decision of a ,majority of that [louse. He saw,no grouted for such a claim, and the onus lay upon those who pat it forward. The constitutional principle was, that the Crown was dependent upon the House of Coiumons for the money necessary to supply the various calls of Government, and that principle was the great se. entity of public freedom. Should such an appli -4 it, 4 dift... o P.tpUte-MllM„b,Pje-" It might he said that Miuisters were responsible; but that responsibility would depend either open the power being legal, or the necessity obvious. — James 11. in his owu life, lately published, had thrown most light upon the subject of . his bro ther's connexions with France, and complained that the King lied beet) induced by the Duchess of Portsmouth to settle upon her 10,0001. aunt*. ally, out of that French fund, which was his only security against the tyranny of Parliament. This power, claimed by the Crown, would be a temp tation to conclude . infamotei treaties, in conse quence of money to be paid by a foreign power.; and the question in future might be an auction of colonies, anti a sale of territory. , Half a million might be demanded for Martinique, and 400,0001. for Guadeloupe. Such a potter was more Onto it mere - liability to abuse ; there could be ,nu Use in vesting such a' power in the Crown, unless •it was already possessed of it, and could only' lead to midget similar to that in the time of Civrles 11. The indemnity on the pert of the French Government, was partly 'pecuniary, and partly territorial, on the policy of which he should give no opinion ; but it was clear that money Wa s the price of territo r y, tool the case bore a strong re semblance, though circuitously, to the sale of Dunkirk, in the time of Cloaks 11. CoMpetnia dun for a national loss, ought nut to depend upon the sole will of the Sovereign, and those Morbid paid the Income Tax, should have their burthens alleviated by means of the compensation paid by France. Those who held the affirmative, as to the right,of the Crown, were boom! to Prove that right; but the authorities to that purpose must •be subsequent to the Revolution, as no previous case would- probably apply to that before the House. In 1714, when the House of- Co lillllol4 was supposed to be unfavourable to the principles of the Revolution, a fOlitil of the assieuto contract hatl•heen claimed by the Crown; when the ['unite of Commons on June 9, 1714, voted an Address that it should be applied to discharge the debts•of the Nation. The rumour had beim, that the mo ney was to have been vested In trustees, and these trustees were to have been Lord Bolinbroke and Mr. Marshatn, in whose names it was to have been vested. for the tae of the Queen. The same Address also requested that • the revenue of Mi norca, and the rents of certain houses in Gibral tar,. should be applied in the same way. An an- ewer was returned on the 24th,- and stated that the fourth of the assiento contract hadbeen grew• ed to the South • Sea Company, her Majesty eons ceiving . thet to encourage trade, want the best way to discharge the debt. of the country, and that the revenue of Minorca, and the rents of the hoases in Gibraltar, should be applied In the mans ner .she thought more fit, fur the public serviceAtte A division had taken plane, tart; the tellers were, Lord Doliobroke amid Mr. Pulteney, as the Ministry (tile Whigs) (thieved to- the money. having been granted without the eon- Sint of Parliament. The terra then employed Wes, that' the noose acquiesces' in time dis posal of the &Ironies ; turd that as stroueytiroveti the question of right, as if the House had refused to acquiesce. On the 15th of January, 1;63, abovv, four years after the passing of the Civil List Act, a Message I'Vont the Crown tame - down -- Ao the !louse, st4tinl.t, that a prOposat had been made . by the Fre'n'elt King on the subject the maintetiance of prisoners of war. ,On the 21“ an Address of Thanks ivas voted by the House, who expressed their opinion, that the proposal of 11 , kc French King should be accepted. On the `22d of March, a copy of the Convention was sent down to the House, by which 600,0001. ss as accepted, instead of 1,100,0001. that had tit first been de, !minded. This communication was accompanied by o certificate,from Lord Barrington, Auditor of the Exchequer, that the money had been paid in to the Exchequer. That fact was importani.-- The Message had been brought down by . Mr. Grenville, then Ch ance ll or o f t h e E xc h e quer; and front the opinion of Parliament being aiked and taken, and the money being paid into the E:Zehequer, it was self-evident it had beeu re 'garded as the property of the public. No Mi nister could, have brought down such a Message respecting- the private property of the Crown.-- IPIt 411 W 45, 'now made to withhold the .army tram 'the controul of Parliament, and the statements on the subject of the money paid by France could hardly be understood. 'rile terri tory possessed by the East India Ciimpany had been vested in the , Company by the King and Parlia ment, for a certein sum of money but no pre torotiot) had ever been started that that money be- Carne perSollal propel.. r_:., only for the use of the poirlie. The usage in the present case must be from good times, must be Publitly known, and sarictioatid by legitimate •an thoritV It must, not be at like that of .ship ,money, nor like the sale of Dunkirk, nor like a decision that had ever taken place in the case of. general warrants. He could-mot say that he would rejoice it proved.to be in error; but, on the con trary,. should lament that a practice so incompit 7 tible with the spirit of liberty, was 'sanctioned by .tht! principles of the Coustitntion. The Hon. Oeutletinin concluded by moving six resolutions : lit, Thin it appeared that the suns of 700,0001. sterling bad been paid by Fratlee to thin country in lieu of the reve nue-uf the conquered provinces ;—ldly, That it appeared, that by the Treaty the share which fell to Cireat Britain, of the contributions, was 5,000,0001. ,•—;idly, That the sum was inadequate to the real charge of usaintaining the pettish troops in France;---Ithly, That the sutu of 1,400,000 i. given'as a donation by the Foreign Powers to the British Army, which the Crown was to be considered as aTrustee; stbly.That certain sums had been paid to ,assist in defr4yiug the charge of transporting the works of art front Paris to Route, and for erecting a monument to the late Cardinal Yorke;--Gthly, That the application of such motley, without the privity of Parliatuent, did not appear to be warranted by the usages of the Realm, nor the principles of the Consti tution. [For the Co►►tinnation of the Debate lee the last page.] ENTAILS. AftlilVtD-...lGuernsey and Jerrey. 1)')E-1 Holland, 1 Dub lin, r Waterford. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS IMY At rWELVF. o'CLOCE. Bank gtock, ......eddi I India Bonds, ... par :i ',Er Ced.ltc(l. tOti 61 1 Exch. Bills, .. fs. Jas. par 0 per t. rut. c0n5....... 0144 chwiium, • • .1 pvr Celits, 75i j Ditt o f o r 1 4 :quit:tit, . , teff 1:1 5 per Cunt. N. Anti-921i 9J C.:uni. Ivr ik4?.:4,1kiit,..... tiiii i liiinh 1.. Awn.. ... . l;. 7.16 th. . . :)sitinutvs afivr U.l gvesiing, attcr E 8 UN. voLENi tau s tolLkh, vAtalum UHICAT LONDON, TIIURSD-IY, AMY 16, 1816. The Parts Papers of Sunday have arrived, b ut we are still One (lay in smear. Were we to take the price of the public funds as the criterion by which to judge of the lute dis turbances, we shouli determine that they had not assumed a more alarming aspect "than has been given of them in the Journals. The Three per Cents. were a little tinder 59, or only about 35 centimes lOwer than they have been for the last two months. The traitor LEFEBVRE DE3NOUETTES iIAS been tried end condemned to death ; but unfortunately for the ends of justice, this unprincipled ntiOnd partist effected his escape from France about the period of the King's restoration. Unlike some of the Generals recently tried, this fellow was distinctly. a Rebel and Conspirator against the Sovereign in whose ser►ice he had ac , cepte►i a commission, He did not join the Inva sion of BoONAPARTE, but be preceded it by a se parate attempt to overthrow the Government.— There is not one alleviating circumstance in his favour, and the only thing that can he saiol on the subject is rather a reproach to the BOURIONS fur having employed a man notorious for the dishonourable breach of his parole when a pri soner in England._ Rumour differs as to 1113 re. treat one account stating that he is still con• cealed on the. Continent, and another, that lie has effected his escape. to America. Since writing the above, we hove received the Paris rapers of the I3th. The Insurrection is en tirely suppressed. Tie foliowing are Extracts ;—. ootltteit-immonorsiTAßT, MONDAY MORNING. " The vigorous measures made use of by Go , vernosent have entirely suppressed the insnrree, thin of the Is'are, where not a single armed rebel remains. 'the authorities deliver over to j,►stiee every inaividnol found with arms in their hauds, On the Bth and 9th tweaty.titree of them *ere • condemned to de k i i, t wo of whom Ltid altcad suffered whea th ekouriei cante.awitt. " Several M*Y° ,Inlonging to; the neighbour booti of the here' ch l i n uess which will dotibe.ss be noticedbi the Go yed an inergir an d firm vernment. At.the principal towns in France the iersury of , the 3d May was celebrated with a n enthusiasm which must lead the enemies of public order to despair. " From the explanations which have tak° place between the Cabinet of Madrid anti tlia" the United States, the best understanding subsists between them. "The Hon. G. W. Irving, the iiinerictan nistir to the Court of has arriActl at Parts. lie goes from thence to Madrid. "M. Albert . Gitldtin is expected here fri;in America. " MILAN, MAY 1.--The overflowing o f t he Pa has caused the greatest devastation. The .tlo ll s have been broken, and the country inundated:', 'The Messager des Chamber, Evening Journal, b 0 been suppressed by the Police, for publishing P" the 10th the mischievous and unfounded report of an insurrection at Toulouse. iVe i have received Brussels Papers, but Oleic contents are unimportant, Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH made II motion, laiL night, ten4ing to claim the whole of the sums re' Cei% eti from France 113 applicable to the service. The previous question was ar o ? •• 4 .:or.o,:qtzessote " 1/1)4!' disputed distinction drawn by the CH ANCULLOR the EXCti€AUER, between sums received since die signature of the Treaty of Peace,which be acltnotv: - ledged to belong to the Public, and those obtaivad • prior to it, which he held to beDroits of th e Crowit,, It was out of the hater alone, that the expendi. tore, Which bad been objected to, was made; the former would be strictl y a pp lie d to the pabl4e service. Mr. Rosa brought in 'a Bill to the trdosi of Commons last night for regslating Saving Halal in Great Britain and Ireland, which was read a kit time. Had the Right Hon. Gentlemannerer duno another service to his country instead of the nut* titude of important ones which he has rendered, his exertions in this noble .cause would 'entitle to everlasting gratitude. KING'S BENCH.--Tlliti;day was brOught up ictr Judgment, Sir NATHANIEL WILLIAM Wumcrit.L.., for a Libel ontount IVORONZOW. TlleSentetice of the Court, pronounced by Mr. Justice BAILEY', w ad Six Months' Imprisonment, and a Fine of Foe Hundred Pounds. The Austrian garrison is to give up Ferrara to the Roman Government on the lit of,jime, Prince CAMILLE ak: HOU Ay, Grand Prior of Aquitaine and Grand Seneschal of the Order of St. Jidin of Jerusalem, died in Paris last weeks aged 81. •In the year 1815, on l y two Centenaries died 14 Purls; one man aged 103, and a Woman 108. It appears from the New York Papers, which have arrived to the 15th, that the Tariff Bill had not been disposed -of when the last advices cam( away; but we learn by the Notional intelligeaecr of the 11th, that the President had signed the fiili establishing a National Bank. It is reported that LAVALETTE • has not quitted Munich, where he resides in the hotel of his cousin, Ituostra BEAOH/IRNOIS. The latter i 3 appointed to the supreme command of the King's - Chard. The Princesq CHARLOTTE anti the Prince Leo.' ?OLD paid a visit to the QUEEN on Tuesday after. the Levee. They were yesterday visited by thel QUEER and PRINCESSES, and after their deparNra by the PRINCE REGENT. They afterwards rude out, and in the course of their ride called upoa the Princess SOPHIA of GLoocr.s•rrn. The LORD CHANCELLOR and Lord RebtsoAt.g had a conference in the Lord CuaNcei.Lcia'syri,' vete room at the House of Lords, yesterday, from ten o'clock in the morning until half-past oPeo relative to son !HSI) appeals which have beeti heard, but in which judgment has not been Y- 6: , gi YOU; " Among the prisons co nducted to GI enoble we remarked one who been' charged with the assassination of General luonadieu. " §uch is the z" oft National Guard at ty Cfus, that on' 200 tnei s i ordered to it aTe the town, 60 many `offered tl e mselves that it w as necessary to restrain then). e precautions used, on arrivipg atViettne they wet . intimd to he 800 in number. • " The Faubourg St. Antoine h about to . 1 1 .30 ' its name changed for the Faubourgitoyal. " They write from Grenoble,' May 7--;4Ainong the killed of the Rebels of the Isere i'vßs ( - 4 "`" )• nini, an old Officer of ttit Getidarnierie. Ntar GO prisoners were brought h hereon the znolunig o f N , ..t.1,tr tvl)n tver'r. ""i•iieil b the p° ' pulation with cries of ' Vive le Roi !' " There no longer remains anir AI. Monroe will be elected P re* id ent of the th'iß 4 States. but (hitt