The Sun. — London, England, 1816-03-05 00:00:00

perspective, The fetal amount of the retiuttion in the Estimates, as_they :low stood, and thoselaf last. yearl Was 74,000 inert' and a charge of 5,000,0001. in that difilinttl IC:tit MIS comprised the British army . of 30,000 men: in' Frances as it -MIS no long* at the expence of this country. The rest consisted W . 23,000 men of different deicriptions, and the foreign corps to the amount of 21;000 awn, hi the 1 - lousehold there was a reduction 'Ol 1800 men :end ,355000.1. . In the ca,vah )7' , one. of 9000 then and :11'40001; Nine regiments of cavalry had been transteircti to France, to he paid by that country, and. therefore considered as among the reduced.-- In the cavalry Ikt home, the diminution was 1600 linen anif 46,0001.• There was an inprease in the special corps of 2300 men and 100,0001. but on the Ijscellancous charges the decrease• was 193;0001. It was, in fact, 393,0001. hat as 20°,0001.110 been tatien out of that branch of expenditure last year, . liii. the nott4ifeetiie pay, that stint had been since ' tin tided, leaving only tirP,V a real saving of 193 ,000 L The numbers of the Army in the Estimates; in. iltidefloiliCers, dritintiwrs, 'and trumpeters, which heilikg dedneted out of the whole'. of 'Which they ormed'aboet one,eighth; left 99,000 rttnlt and tile. I!. ..,,,,,,,,i...... in the service' of - the. East ; India Oinnaily, the diminution was only seven hun dred men, but . those regiments were riot paid . by the cimmtry: In the embodied • Militia, there was a reduction .of 1,466,0001. Part of that tfilitia was already disembodied, and the rest would be as soon as they bad reached their cantons. '1 by diminution in the pay. of General (Meets was 8,7601.; in that, of the Staff and Garrisons, 173..0001. Thtt rednerfon in the Houle Staff eon.: sistekr of two Majors and two Lieutenant-Gene ta!s, three Aides-de-Camp to the Prince Regent, sad two to the Commander-in-Chief. On the Fo teignfBtalf, it Consisted of five Comthanslers of forces, rme. General, six Lieutenants, and fifty 7slajor-denerals. Ott the Staff of Great Britain, ~ two M kjor-Generals, and two Aides-de•Camp. In the Islands of Guernsey and Jersey two Lien tenant;Generals would be replaced by two Major- Generals. In Ireland, .tha reduction would . be * vu Lieutenant Generals and folly Major-Gene-, x'al, ; and When'thO turiiiiit was disbanded, a fur ther reduction would take place in that country. 7t was•propo.ed to discontinue the Commandiu.- in-Chief at Ceylon, and to replace him by a I;4:tat:mint-General. The same would 'be dons at the Cape, at are Mauritius; Jamaica, and Gib- , raltar. There would also be ' a farther saving of 33,0001. on the Foreign Stall. On the full pay to 3"l)erninnerary Qfiicers there was an increase of 19,001. ocectsioned .by the, provisions for the ve teran and - diSabled Officers who were entitled to Oder the nstahlishment 10-4(401 At A potAtotnt out, bo,c It appeared to him that no effort had. been Midi to reduce - the Peace EStablishment be , low 0,00, ne rather 1.11,000 mea l whilst, on the contrary, every argutnent had been used to prove that such a force• Was absolutely requisite. I',ooo men might, therefore, be considered as the'intended regular Establishment. tie did not see those (littigers in the situation, Or. the milltory spirit of Europe, which should alarni this, country. In fact, her politics were too deeply -mixed with those . of the -Continent. If the European Powers chose madly and tonlishly,to exhaust themselves by keeping up those large, tstablishments, were we to tlo the same POWer ought -to disarm first, , it Was Eng land that. was the most secure of all. Iler crease of territory justified an increase in her mi litary force on some points, but ought to occasion a 'decrease of it °a others. The island of St. lucie, for iiistance,. was a menacing post in the hands of an enemy, and required a force to watch; bnt in ours it rewired the call for a display of itrength 'in a gnarter where we were no: longer threatened, The state of our Navy and Mir Com .mand of the sea gave our force a -kind of üb iquity, and enabled us to transport it without toss of titne eta every point menaced. When no attack could he apprehended from without, he .regarded the attempt" to garrison fully all the defensive works' on. our shores, as a waste of public money. Re appproved, however, of the amount of the troops asked for Ireland; but in quiry into the state tit that country, and-the adop- • tion of a new system towards her, must take place. Ile 6°loll that the Noble Lord had fallen into an error when he had stated that the reductiod of 20,000 men would occasion a s.iving Of only 600,000/. By itis.own showing, it appeared that the reduction of 74,000 men produced a saving of Upwards of two , millions ; that of 20,000 must therefore' produce one of more than (00,0001. As long as the Duke of Wellington remained at the . head of our army in the territory of a late meaty, • althOugh the number of that army wete its character was high, and who dared to attack those who had fought with it, Or against it ; ? he believed that theutmost cordiality existed bet wec'n all the Powers,and,it wits because he thonght peace 'most secure, that he objected to the amount of the intended establishment. lie then called upon the House to compare the Estimates on the table, with the Peace Establishment which Mr. Vitt had thought fit to propose. , On the iith of February, • 1792, that great Statesman had proposed for the last six months of the•year, in guards andigarri sons for Greats Britain, 1,5,700 men -; for the ,Co- Irt'lire 011 halt-pay. 'the 'eduction in the public tltiitadi rl ent's tvotild be 15,000 L acid it intuit be on iidered, that the bli*ineoi of reAucing the army would be rtstr a tint? more considerable than that jonies and Plantations, Nova Scotia, Gihrakar, and New South Wales, 11,382 inen ; and besides, on the Irish F . :itablislitnent 1 99:1 men, making to gether 13;383 Ilit411: This did Mr, Litt consider. a of conilnctint: the army, once estahli'hed. \Viten- sufficient Establishment for the country, Unless t::e.er that increase of business should:Cease, there . the necessity for, the present be demonstrated to wouht be every diirsition posh the reductions, ris clearly as that of a large force in Ireland, Uri her. On the Exchequer I; e ee s there was a di- which he admitted to its fullest extent, he should rnin u tiiM of 53,0001. 'On the military allowances be obliged to oppose the other itemsoftheLithuates. an increa , e. ,rj53,0001. On the Ustimates of chel-. After a series of observations on the unnecessary sea and Greens'vich, one of 3,8001. The increase on amount of the Establishment for the different the Olt-pettsioners of Chelsea and Greenwich was poSes proposed, lie declared that the. safety of 102,000 i. and tn. the Pensioos -to Orphans and the country, for which he was 'as (kepis? lute- lows 6,4001. -The diminution in the Volunteers . rested 'as any man, might he ensured, with a far IP , AA• t e: 0 , -..44 A:44.v less array, allowing the tun latitude of elarm.which It seas inteuded to reduce the reAtments of this many Getitlemen. enterteined, to be instifiett by, descriotioo of force to one 'halt of their.amonnt. circjiniStAllCCS. War could not COUR! Upon US Tile saving produced by the reduction of the Fo- i like hurricane ; and the only way in which the reigis Corps would h e 435,0001. the woole of those Interest of the country could be consulted, would Corps being intended to be reduced. he Ger- be to retrench and economise in every possible man . litoyinn hail . already beets litarched back to j way, lie contended, that therty was ground for lianover for that purpose. In the Military Col- jealrinsy 'in the itiffuenee of CoOrt patronage. We lege the redoction wtts 3771. but in the Military were ebout,to vote this night nine millions fur Asylum there,was an augmentation of 11.0001. Army Services, which would fully absorb what- e'tisittg front the extention of the infant part ever could be savedfrom, any other Source'. He that establisloneot. On the retiring Chaplains, then took a review of last year's reventie and ex there was a diminution of '899.i. and in the inci- penditere :of Ireland, 'and contended that it •Svni ' dental expenses, one of 53,01)01. On the Cons- scarcely,possilde they would produce as winch this tassionate List fbere was tin increase of ,0901. I yeari while the army vote for Irelaod, was more in the COMUUSSariat.Depttrtifiellt, there was a re- i than 900,0001. being almostdouble the excess of slnction of 100,0001. on the Irish Commissariat, last year's revenue. It was impossible to go on and 34,0091. on the Barrack Establishment. In < without keeping down our establishment, or else,, the War Office there was a small increase on whenever we tool to meet war, we should meet it the allowance 'or the retired Clerk, Caetaio with eXhattsted resources. Ihit time inking Fond,. Gardener, who had been reported by the Coiti. if properly managed' and kept up, aided by just ' toissioners ,entitled to lialf.:pay.' The charge for retrenchments, would be the permanent securitythe Officers serving its the Portuguese Army and salvation of the Country. With these impres svas 'lateen 'thousand pounds. But that charge simtns on his mind, he should feel it his dal to Wits not permanent, tool the pay:wonlil be des- give his decided negative to tile' motion. • vistitineed as soon :1'; the ' Court of Brazils could be Lord -CAST.I4IIBAGH, in 'a long 'and 2tiiinatett apprizil 'of 'tile intention, that the operation speech, took a complete view of the Estiniates, amid might be executed it: concert with the Portuguese justified the neeeSsity_of eicty item of expendit ere.. Gove;mmeat. lit thus reaapitulatO the svhole,: He began by expressingltis extreme :Anxiety that which formed a tednction, in men :mounting to the subject sbotild uittleroo the•follest inveitiga -74,00, unit in eliare in five Millions. If the ii(M, in which he hail been gratified by, the con present Estimates' %vett WWI . 11105 c at llaiCt of the Gentlemen opposite. Ile 'Mist, how the year 1814, the dimitottion would ha . fountl to ever, say, that their constitutional al,Arms had consist of 8,1143 . .000i. mail if with :the last year, of been greatly 'exaggerated ; but efey h rcl 11:ad the notaries at 'OlOll,OOOl. One million of the lore- good effect of narrowing the lue . stion to the soh lent tstimates wail only a temporary charge, :toil stratum as to what was the getleral amount of the two millions more Avould remain to be . provided forces'ilott are necessary. Ile '.vas ready to go' 'for, even if nil - Arum Were kept. Altionlgh this with - ,the Gentlemen on the other Side, as to the redtiction of five millions might , not completely R,OeStiott of econoniV • , for as the people had sitisfy . theflonour , able" Gentlemen . opposite, yet trusted hrgitly Maid confitleutly,to i‘lioisters, and ite trusted tile House would See its it e proof had giVett thefts the means of britigirig the weer of the disposition of GoVesnMent to redOce the to a glorious conclusion, ,it was a double dirty. Litiiblisimient of the country us frilly end i on their part to 'AoW a marked spirit to 'relieve as I, ls t a s l i n s s itde. li e th e n &re t itled the them front all possible hurtheos. Ile must there 7 tibn itllich be had made, th it the reduction of j fore protest against,those false and tukjust argu- Zi,00:1 inert ‘tonlJ not produce'a saving of snore wilts Which were employed to itsflante the mind shim 600,0001. by shoving that the charge for the of the, people, by uniking them believe thus such lc i ti t i s h a h o y i n Fr anc e (which was ietrodueed 0 - 01 1 411t,,e!ig as they "Pellence time into the tstiinates) emounted'Only.to.99o,oool: preterit One would he of no advantage, and ought for' 36,000 Men, Having Made these statements, ' to e'despisett. question for consideration li Shottlit init' trespass any longer upon the titne ,what relief could, really be afforded, nithont ffotoe,' but shOuld stand ready to give any bre king,down the harriers of our national safety, further explanation i.eltich `might be.requmucth. He C which,' if once destroyed, could never be re-esta emicholedhv mowing his 'first resolution, that blished All that lie..elaimeil , from Memherawas,, laud force not exceeding 170,615 risen, ineludiug t that they would not "offer his Majesty!" Ministers -the forces in France, aud 30,480 men to .bedfsti. t*Lieitsleinoorted down by bold and .broad banded, btu exclusive at the men emproyed tiolorthat.the,ylllV atherselrOntiecononly;Alicarl) territories a the E a st India ComiLlny and the lor.he could assure the tHouse,rthat the difficulties that- were imposed CM,Ntioisers conducting the .'be granted tot the service of the year. . nitely 'greater than any ti Kas complained' that some Gentle Men, aftaits:ol peace, woe, iis Yvto had always tile word Constitution" on their they had yet had to toidergo, while cooducting had ituagiOed 'that the Rouse were' not able the ,war to its glorious end.-,(Hear !) . There to deeide On the Army Estimates, and propoSed fore, if : they cou ld ti o d.,thesmeaus o f giving lo g e to- tally an Address to the Throne .to regulate -I and ,pretieal relief to the Country, ate house m their aount. Had they succeeded, the Crown altbeYohlientigbt be confident that it would tvrei.etof course, have sent back the ; stone Eitiv'l be' . eeme.d. .their most garaqfPt: duty CO do rol . o ii'tis'litose:Wilieli it had originallreonceived Ministe9l4oa.periee4r Mare,- thlit if at t h e 4lacthe beet, The House were to ld.not to COO- . ' I OT-tiscot, moment they skte to,istkc'any ern:3_llou! .irbrie r rertnne, , they wouid,, other year, ?old themselves Under accumulated difileo:ies ; .ant} thus, - thringh they might err IA imignlCllty it Might to be believed that they had an' interelt in performing their duty,- though they Would- never be found seeking- to captivate the i pnblie n1,1.114)11 by holding forth prospects Which 1, 1; 1 no e i nenc e of being realised. This deoar7.- titan, trusted, tend to dispel that cloud of ;s.rejediecso. attij istl and ungenerously raised against his Majesty's Goveroment, by endeavour ing to establish. a sort of case egainst theinon the ground of ecrimony, 'as to what they have, or what they have net done in the present .Session. In the , course of last year the House had certainly coo tided to Ministers a greater amount of pecuniary supplies than was ever before granted at any time,' or in any country. rri. toto,attiopp.t, in cluding the extent of debt, was about 128 trillions sterling.-- At-that time it ',vas not merelyin oat, but in elmo - st every part of the world that we were engaged in war our prospects were therefore looked to, not only as difficulties to be overcome, but as such, the end, of whieb• could not be pre dicted. These wars, however, bad been all glo riously terminated by. Treaties, which sore at least as great kit appearance of permanency as any which had been made at former perimk, 'and the almost immediate result had been that a re duction of the expenses from last year had not been less than 43 million,. We overt:, from the nature of . our situation, incapable of applyieg reduction; as a system; except by small degrees. :.Howittany years elapsed, after the American War. before we recovered from time dist! es 4 iu Whieli it left Ili! The contrast, how.ever, at present Was most t trotrophent ; we had provided for our digit:tildes as we'went al:mg. awl therefore he (rested we should come noire to our eettleti•Peace Es tablishment than we ever did . before, could .by no means be Considered that the l'enee Esta blishment now proposed was likely, to be pernia nent ; there would he realty . reductions :effected ley time .and circumnstances. The E3tablishmeet for the preterit year would only cost about 29. millions, instead of 80. There could be no prey stoription that Government had not. accelerated every possible rednetion as for ns 'possible. It bad even been made a sort of reproach in some quarters, that the . retlut;tion in the Navy had been too rapid.. There was every proof .to be seen that the reduction in the Army was go i n g—on its rapidly as p oss ibl e : to insiniiate otherwise was not giving the Executive. Go : verument that credit they deserved, for doing. what their own interest, as well as their duty, impesed an then'. As tit the • qttestioti of the amount of our Army, we must' look to the." na tore of its Seat ices and, its constitution. It Could not now be Maintain(' ot the same expense at a proportionate number was before the great •tit ra tions took' place in it which has made it what it is. it was necessary, tin . compsaring the Peace establishment with that of any former time, to 'take in the charge given to every b , ranch of it, awl w take into consideration the great eight and dte!d' expenseestablished byGentlemen opposite. 'lie did not blame them for having raised, the Propertylax to double what they foetid it—(llear !)—for it wry fOund a necessary impost; but he begged them not to. torte re . his feelings by speaking of it on all occasions, as a horrible, infamous; and ink yuisitorial .meAsure, which no mito could• impose on the country , without committing ms crime.---- (Hear, hear !), Be- Admitted a' cpmestion between Ministers.: itud.their opponeuts,' whether a tax in rearis, to, ha is, tax in peace. He. would net contend that it was, but lie would take the intermediatelimpasitiont,and contend, that whiel we were pressed ttown-by the remains. ,at nt war expenditure, if-the community-could be relieved from its operation.by,the ailment- of one h a lf, a nd those who were least able to bear it were relieved from 'it altogether, it required more nerve than • welpossessed by any set of ineolie had met with before, to come end clamour, it down before :the. war expetolitore was closed, as an intolerable and inhuman imposition. (Hear, hear !) By -Suet, conduct, he must say, that they not.only turned their backs on. consistency of orpiment, but eVen On, ilstoeuey, lf the' reduction in the atory-T i proposed by the Gentlemen opposite were, to be made., we should have to pay back mr great pro.' portion of the half-pay and pensions ; instead Of' two millions, the 56,00 a-men would cost - three millions, and thus we hllollld reptite n larger ,Vote for no service than Mr. Pitt had illy service.- Out of the 20 millions - there were' wt less than two ~millions for dead expensei'Of the army, and' one million . for the navyT siettlrat there was lesi than 17 millions, iestead of 20, .for. the support sir, it. - It could - not r hoc he kno,vn, that the pay ued every .other, expenditure of the artily had neat-k doebled of late years. He then entered into ti - tailsof.improvernents made in the army,which Heide them more efficient for home, but not so compe• tent for eolonial service, to the abolition of the former system of :drafting. lie called on time House to divest theuseives of the delusion that ' time scale of expeose was as weal' in proportion to,, numbers as it Was in 1792'. Unjustified the reten- . titan of British troops iii France on several grounds, one of Which was, thief if they- were at home and' dishandeq, weeshoold have to find m o ney for the half-pay ond pensions. - When such an establish anent as one hundred mind ten thonsaA COM Was voted; ivmms • utterly impossible for arty hotly to conc4ve that. this nun wits put into the hands of the. Exectitivf Government. It would he no thinglike skit a' nainbu; es it would be reduced by easeulties nod other circumstances atlettiat one tenth.. -Of thisn relief of 7000 ; a.year would be annually going ethroad to replace those whose time of set - vice 'had expired, While those who returned, instead- of .riving back that-number to the cents blistment, were mere skeletons, not fit-for any, service. He their repeated all that Irtul been said on a forMee evening by the Secretary' for Ireland, on the absolute necessity of 25,000-men for that part of the Empire, .though he was not. without san guine hOpys,ttiat Jrciana wouldsoon .return to a state of order, when this establishment might be redueed. - The 'number of troops necessary-for colo servieeewas the next-topic on which the-No ble Lard descanted et considerable length, stating,' the amount of force in every one of our possessions ehroO, and contending that each had as small e• number 142. WII EL - CO 'mitt ant' with their Secnrity; The eettfltrt had teat to leo4 at any other danger tb - att „.. What contitikeni lipon intniati effaire brit the World had been thrown intb site) aitiite Of AO that it was in•vain for Oentlemett,to stonosr. thtv eoulttlaydoWn all at once in peaceiundirt eir vines and fig -trees, and distill's all expellee: •A•thilltary '• force was also, as neeesSaryfor the bottle as the ft. reign service; there tV'as no civilised country in the world that did not reneire a military force to he ready to aid the power, as there were napeo ple on earth who did not at times Show syniptonis of impatience. Certainly any danger of this kind was less to be - Apprehended in this coUntry"thatt in any other, but the laws ought to,haate the'ne cessary sepport. He ridiCuled the idea that, the troops in Englend were interided to garrison - Dover Castle, anti nrm every other fortification cap-a-pie. It was local duties they had to per form, and out-of the twenty.- five thoosantf; there were not to.be expected inure than eighteen thou , sand fit for duty. ' Ile justified the employment of the military in the prevention of smuggling, here 'anti in Ireland, Obsetving, that a very small de fect in the revenue would be more than equal 10 the pay of -a very large body of troops': he showed how the whole itmoinit:of force was dispersed all over the kingdom, and deeldred•Ott his conscience, that be believed no brandy of the Establishment would bear sifting to the bottom more th a n th at employed at . home... , Adverting to the force maintained in Cannda, he took an opportunity of paying a high tribute to the loyalty cittl : fidelity of the people of that en lony, nod .eloninented, in pointed terms, on its vast commercial importance, teltieh was equal to a fointh of. all our tonnage and trade. After sheiviog the reletive ,importance of ell our other foreign possessions, lie said lie felt that the Sav ings so much talked about cOuld not be-Made tit the present moment, without• incurring- the. great est risk, which might affect ererY'man to the last hour of his He , fie would not quarrel with the Gentlemen_ opposite about the sinallness Of the ' savings ; but when they ASserted . that we were b. t. • ter without our Colonies than to be at the expenca of protecting them, it was necessary to awaken the country, from such fallacious arginnerits anti deCti: sions. persinde the people that the-I+llcl they will experience by the savings la the, present ycar, is a trifle which ought tobe spurnq at„ Was cruel ty and injustice. He would • say it wits a prOud triumph for the country ; that they found them , selves now, at the end-ofa most ardeous struggle, more extraordinary ~ a dardeous. , indeed ; than they had encountered in any former w a r, n o t merely victorious, not covered only With glory; bttt with a fixed character beyond:any .Whiclr they hod here. tolore obtained--a character wllich was the ad miration of the wo r ld. Every, body -knew. that . peace must be - a period of revidsion; but instead of trailing for years under hitter taxation, as was' ' the case at the end of theAnierican war, when it teas necessary to create a revenue, what was,the situa tion in Whichwe now stony! ? The Government, iu . the first year of the 'peace, was enabled to, ••gite boon to the people, by the remission' of not less . than 8 millions of taxes ; and yet, suels Was the no. velty of our situation, that the Gentle Men npposite, held thiS triumph cheap !—(1-lent, hear I front bill • s pirts of tite House.) That small diminution of', our expenditure which cottld sae effected by the reduction or, our military force. se,Uotll:ltended by the-Gentlemen opposite, was-not an abject of int:. , por.tuuce when compared with the v ; 11.oe of those, dektusire 'establiAin..nt - 6, which !oust he given sup if this course .were tudoptet'. lis did not Recap to sn z that il.tb,e,-eiren . getnvots luirdc by Ministers with respect to. the force tobe kept up were wise ) it naturally tnilw.vetl.that the Properly Tax must 'be renewed ; hot he gave 'it.as,trik Opitthin th,st this Inuit be One (an the reduced scale propnsed) ifthetionse wiAetlito relieve the present tlisitet; the emnitry. The modifications which be made inirlyone of the form,ar woeld be sock' -that theie, combined with the relaxaton of the duties on. hosts 11901 In hoshainle.y..,Avonld make . t h .c reo a k . o e l. as if, he paid no' Property at all. Thethaticellor of the Exeheipter wool ! ' 't hos, ~ ivittiont at till uttering the genius otof character or: : ,th e T a x, which nottody cola& more.whnire theta Guottemen onposite, es they had ptoved whett in pOwer hyraking 4;610 per pent, (lieut., heat!) would effectually relieve from itspreutre,titose tot 1010111, it had been feared its Oper,ition would be most severe. lly renewing the Property Tax, wa ehOuld*wind, up the wat: which it - had.,hcen coßslncted, attd this woulk bring' ease rosperity home to : .every malt, sooner than they..cooldpossildy . he , atiaiii t ut it a .different course . ensti'ed ; and if, iustead, of ;netting the exigencies of the year in the Ivo)? prOpimed, : we, eiehped them' for the present, by buying.. recourse to 4 loan. lle ennOdered tiiw resew ijOestiou tea heone of the largest in till its, hearings that could . ever come murder discus sloth Hs widiuti it to be fairly Met, mid folly investigated, and be was coundent the Flouts; would' not take up 09seghiomy viovt wkieheone Gentlemen weie.ilislinsett' to.entertoin of t he ,state Of resourCei.: }le trusted,' : by humidly meet ing the difficulties which were yet; to he encoun tered, • it would be seen -that we proudly conlion' rtl, in ,', pepce, tfli adhere to those principles which had borne trimphantly through the war... Ti by .renewing. tie; Property Tax - . l s t five p e r . they did notartiticially sitpinirt the, credit of the Country; Washe• tonv•itited the public interes't would loafer, hut this done for two years, he could • - tirieeive a vatietypf ways,- by which, without descending fronrour high •sittration, we might be enabled tti give up the prOPeVty tax: The Sinking Fund-might be in such a state two or Ihtie years hence, that'that which :would be a most danger« 6'os:experiment now might be safely ventured upon then, and its immense operation might ?ethnic of: • -some relaxation, without at all operatiog to the injury ofnpublie credit. He hoped it would be plain to every Englishman, we had within , Dili selees•the means of sustaining .ourgreatness. would go along with the Hon, O'entieman °Km• site in reducing the present establishments, sto tar as this .could be done consistently' with our national security; but he would oppose that lithe: economy, which,, to effect a small 'saving, would Ohre up establishments .witiols he .bald to he ititi.• nuttely connected with- , the best iaterests of the country. Lord Alitt.Tow rose to.spehk to the question ; but tituadinurunilnt being- proposcd; the C uLtion of the Excipalau inquired if there wits