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for the dissatisfaction in that country. The evil #• was not there ; the evil was in the law. That Officer did what the law itnposed upon him. The evil was in the House, 'The law set one class of people above another ; the law therefore was no- This was the master-evil. ,•When the United lrislope6 got no this was the cause, or . this was the pretext ; it was.a fixed evil Which did tot enable them to bear the common occurrences of life, and'which it' not removed would end mor tally.. The source of the evil was to be traced , by observing its.qualities. The tendency of all the libels that were published on this subject was. to break the link of marriage with England, and to form new ties with foreign powers. This was he.effect of the Penal Code—with it all these evils were.inemporated. Another complaint was the defect in t'e Union—it had not been carried .into execution. Certainly there was no identifi cation. This ought to he of two kinds--iden tification of law and • identification of privi leges. The Irish felt that it Was their interest -to protect the privilegett of • the English, be cause if .they fell, their - own must fall too. Therefore the interest of England was, that Ireland should be so identified as to be, est a part of England, The penal laws amounted in fact to religious proscription—mitigated it must, be al lowed—but still it was a religious- proscription. So long as this remained the people of Ireland - would be a cause of fear th the English Govern s . ruent, Indeed it came to this, that a Military Government was necessary in that dountry. The 301tlierS employed in Ireland might be, well affect ed to the country, but when it was necessary to keep up such a mass of military force as would overpower the people, then they owed their liber ty, not to the law, but to the mercy of the army. Icy would allow the army every - merit—he could appreciabe their victories and their good conduct, but sa long as they were so employed instich nutw 'burs. the title to liberty was changed, and was no loneer to he found in the law of the land. - When the military force was mentioned, it war . to be recollected the; it was necessary to pay them. Why were they paid Why was this expence incurred It was to prevent those from- subverting the State .who would not sub vert it if" they could. The real fear entertain 's' was, that the Catholics of Ireland would league with •Priests to overturn the Protestant soccession. But the thror.e. of England was so . frm, that nothing . but thunder-could shake it !--- Yront the nature of our 'national position—from the great conquests which we had made, they must be kept by a military force. It to this necessity (which was the punishment of national greatness). was added th 4 system of proscription— . that system which male aliens of those who ought to he brothers, we deprived ourselves of every re medy which could be suggested to relieve ns iu such a state. There was no necessity to search long its coder to discover what the remedy ought to be. For insiance, there was one to be obtain ed by communicAing privileges to fellow-subjects. the po , ,er of the Pope was feared ; anti the 'Veto was to be refused as a remedy against it On the whole he objected to minute inquiries into the criminal code, as to its origin or its exercise, which brought on rectimination.. It was enough to know that in 1782 Bilgland 'gave up part of Ler political power of leg,islatitig for Ireland ; it 'as enough that there had been subsequent con , cessions to the pepple of Ireland. The motion which he would, now submit to the .House was !t•Thilt this House will early in the next Session take into its most serious consideration the state of the laws affecting . the Catholics of Great Britain and Ireland, with the view of such a final and conciliatory adj_ustment as would conduce to the peace and strength of the Empire, to the stability of the Protestant succession, and to the general satisfaction awl concord of all classes of his Majesty's subjects." This, he said, was the same motion as had been made some years ago by a Right Hon. Gent. not now present (Mr. Canning). It appeared to him such: a motion as Was 'most desirable at this time, as it would (if he might be allowed to use the ex iression) enable the question to be put on its legs. t would enable them to tell the petitioners—the moderate and constitutional petitioners---that Par liament so far respected their (lemon& that it would not send them away with a refusal, but would take their griefs into consideration—that they respected their prejudices, 7 aud would try to attain concord. Sir H. PARNELL rose to second the motion; and would take the opportunityot saying a few words upon , the subject. As to the Ecclesiastical part. of the question, he would 'not now touch trpola - Since it would be more immediately under the cow:aeration of ' the House when the motion of his Honoutable Friend, (Sir J. C. Hippisley) came tinder discussiou. It would be better fur the Douse now; to confine itself to the general prin. ciple of concession. The truth of the case, with wpect to the operation of the Penal Code, seemed e him to be never sufficiently attended to.- The night Horrourabie Secretary for Ireland, in the recent debate on the state of that parrot the em pire, seemed almost entirely to have overlooked it. By refer; ing back to the origin of these laws, it . was much more easy to account for the effect which they produced upon the people of Ireland, by keeping theta in a state of continued poverty and oppression The consequence was the necessary maintenance of an immense military force in Ire land. This was what came fram actimon the Pro testant ascendancy principle. In lieu of the vain and fallaciims measure of maintaining an °vet powering military force; the rational plan was to accede to the prayer of the petitioners. 'As to secret asso ciatjons, it had already been strewn to what a dreadful extent they existed in Irelqud i and,it was Trite evident that unless conciliatory measures were adopted they would go increasing, till at last they would burst with a dreadful explosion. There could be no objection to the Measure now proposed, from the state of public fading. Not a single petition was now vu the table against the measere. He theretore hoped that the Noble Lordpipposite, who bad formerlyspoken in favour of the measure, but who objected to,pressing it on the House smite time ago, 011 SLICIHUIt , of the State of public feeling on the question, would be +cc:evinced that the present was a most - favourable titkte for'brioging forward the subject,: 1 General MATTHEWS felt himself 'imperiously. called upon, as an iris!: Representative,: 10 a - "*W' tVOitli on this occuzitin, ae the ,questioa bad % , . . now assumed a new chatactcr. On the specdy and final settlement of this qtrestiOn depended the happiness of Ireland, and the stability of tile empire.. He had already repeatedLy 'stated his opinion that no securities should be required from the Catholics of Ireland. As to the present state of Ireland he could speak very positively . , as he had just come trom that country, and be could inform the House that where conciliatory Inca 'sures hail 'been adopted, the country was as quiet as Middlesex or Surrey.—(A laugh.)—He was now enabled to inform the !louse that fivii lions:Of Irish Catholics were ready to grant , se. , curities and to go hand in hand with their Clergy in: agieeing to what was cilled the tioinebtic no mination of Bishops. Where now then exist ed the objection to emancipation ?, The con ditions which bad been required by:Govern ment as to the nomination of Bishops, were now ready to be granted. He was enabled to state to the House, that the Pope was -ready to stretch every nerve as to conceS•ion on this subject. He had made it his busineSs to go to Rome to ascer tain the sentiments of the Pope by a private con ference.—(A laugh.)---He was sure that the Noble Lord, whose opinion on this subject differed from those of his .intoleraut and bigoted csilleagues— (a laugh)—kneW that this ,was true. tVhence then did the opposition -spring From the into lerant; bigoted, and worthless colleagues in the ,cabinet of the Noble Lord, an who would not listen to the opinions of .that Noblp Lord.--(A • laugh.);---These ignorant Ministers knew no More of the state of Ireland, than a man who sweeps the streets knows of North America.—(Lood laughter )—Although he still thought no securi ties ought to be required' from. the Catholics, yet as they themselves had offered them, be of course • agreed to it, and would vote for the motion, and called upon the House to fulfil their duty by agree ing to it, SirJOt3:yl Co* HIPPaSLEY wished to say a few words on this occasion. He thought there was little chance of conciliating the great part of the people of Ireland by insisting on securities, unless an , inquiry was set on toot, the result of winch should be clearly to spew the expediency of it on religious principles. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the question which the Right lion. Gentleman (Nlr. Grattan) had brought forward, had been so often discuss ed, that he did trot feel himself called upon to state at any length the grounds upon which it had his concurrence. 7 ---(Hear, hear !)—Ele had al ways given it as his opiriiim, that this- subject would ultimately he consideied in a favourable point of view both by Parliament and the com inanity at-large. He had never heen able to per himsclt that there was any real danger to the Constitution—that there was any real danger to the liberties of this country, to be apprehend ed from the British Parliament acting towards the Catholics upon a principle of inclusion Instead of a priociple of exclusion. Whatever grounds might have heretofore existed, for entertain ing a doubt of the proPriety'of acting upOn a prin ciple of inclusion towards our Catholic bre. them, those grounds were now at an end. The state of Europe was . more congenial to the liber ties of mankiod. The head of the Catholic Church was no longer a prisoner, and subject to the will and contioni of a power which threatened the li ,berties of Mankind. That ,power was no longer in existence, and the state of the world had re turned to its ordinary situation. We had no longer to apprehend that the balance of power was likely to preponderate in such a way as to give just reasowto suppose that an improper influence would be used to produce, in the bosom of our country, a feeling of hostility and, discontent--and hence a ground crusted for complying with the prayers of the Petitioners, which, unhappily, could not be traced at former periods, when this discus3loa was brought forward. The Noble, Lord next ad verted to the effect which had been produced upon the Protettant mind bY the intemperate language of those who had taken upon themselves to act as -the organs of the Catholic body. He was happy to remark, that the voice of reasira, truth, and I:wisdom had at length prevailed, and that the Pe titioners bad come to Parliament in a way which was calculated to disarm opposition, The Noble Lord then alluded to the liberal, feelings which per vaded the Courts of Europe npan subjects of reli gion at the-present moment as compared with for mer periods, and remarked,that in the negociations which had recently taken place, religious contro versy formed but a trifling goestion the scale ofdis emission ; whereas on similar occasions formerly this subject produced the greatest sources of difficulty. The settlement of the Catholic question-he consi dered essential to the internal happiness of the State, lie saw no impediment in the attainment of this object ; and so far was he froui consider ing that any danger would arise from admitting the Catholfes to a participation in the benefits and advantages of our Constitution, that he thought bad) a measure would be productive of the hap. piest effects. He' thought that .the amount of power which the Catholics asked was not worth contending , for; and that the denial of it would arm the mischievous Catholic, who wished to dis turb the peace of the country, witli a subject adapted to his purposes..-- if -For these reasons he should support the motion of the Eight Honour able Gentleman. 'Mr. Perm felt some pain at differing from his Noble Friend, with whom he was accustomed, to vote, yet he was afraid that silence on his part might be taken for acquiescence in the motion.— He had opposed the Catholic question on former occasions, and be thought that not only the ob jections which he had urged, but many others which did not then apply, were fully applicable now. He contended U n it the House had fairly made the experiment to effect the object which the Catholics had in view, and he appealed to the result produced by that experiment on the Ca, tholics of Ireland. Hail it been received with any mark of approbatitin on their part At all times he had an objection to pledge the Hopse to entertain any question, and he thought that it was not desiTable to give a pledge for the next Session 'at the present aionient.—(Hear, hear, hear 1)—It had been admitted that par ticular circumstances, Stich t as ,the conduct of the Catholics themselves, or the state of Ea might preclude the propriety of taking the removal of religigus disabilities lute orisideration. ' The ai,ht clen:leatan himself did not now. move for leave to bring in a . Bill to 'effect that poepose. Might it not be inferred that he thought the preseot time unfit for eotertaining the slues. , lion ? Then why should' he think that the next Session would prove a More t favourable period If it' did what should then prevent him front brings in;; on the question . without any preparation like the pre\ient ?' Anil if it .did not, ti mild not that very circumstance render the pledge embarass ing to the House ?, He then corrected borne misiuterpretation Which had been made, espe... cially by a gallant General, of what bad fallen from him .during a former dehate on the state of Ireland. He had never said that the dis orders now existing in that country were, to be implied to souse incurable (platy in the aieople. lie had, only said that he did 'lot attribute them either directly or indirectly to the, political dis abilities of the Catholics. They proceeded chiefly from the system of had pulley formerly adopted, and from unwise commercial restrictions. He saw great depravity breaking out into open out rages in many parts at:lreland, hut not in .those where the disabilities' of the Catholics' might have been expected to create some portion of jealousy. lie saw dissatisfaction at the high price,of land, and a wish to reduce it ; but these bad nothing to do with Catholic Emancipation. If the out. rages were directed againit Proteitanti then it might be believed find they proceeded from politici.l disabilities ; but there was ail imliartial commission of offences against all, which spewed that that could nut be the case. It iad been admitted that in the year 1793 most considerable privileges, and franchises had been granted to the lower classes of Irish Ca tholic*, and yet since that period Cad not the in► ternal state of Ireland been more disturbed than before ? Even the measure proposed by the Right Hon. tientletnan did not go the leng!h- of placing the Catholics on a. footing of entire equality with their Protestant brethren. Some of the claret of fices of the Sate would be closed to them. Their demagogues would still.make.them consider those exceptions as badges of what they %valid term their former servitude, amt they would renew their ap plications to be relieved from there with as much violence as they had dons with respect•:to their present polaicai disabilities. If be:were sitiatied that the effect of the removal of the disabilities of -the Catholics of Ireland would be to introduce order into that, country, no visionary dangers or attachment to consistency would , prevent him from supporting the motion. Lim believing that behind this ten thousand topics of grievances lay dprmant, that if he followed the Right Hop. 'Gentleman to the eminence to which he invited him, a new horizon would stilt open 'to his view, be could not consent to give a pledge to entertain a question, from the considetation of which be anticipated so few good effects.: , • oNsoNBy remarked, tl►at four-fifths of the Right Hon. Cieutleman's speech lia l been ad. dressed, not to the prudence or imprudence of the pledge, but to the itupolicy of the question itself. He contended that it was the mode in which the concessions of 1793 had been made that had con tributed to render them productive of disorder rather than of peace. The question had 'always been taken up as the necessity of the moment pressed the Administration of the day, atut managed in such a way as to get rid of the diffi culty of the time, but never regarded, as tine of general policy he thought that the removal of the disabilities of the Catholics would have a great effect in allaying the discontents of Ireland, and that nothing else would he effective.. The pre sent state of mind of the Catholics, conscious of all the restrimi ►ns under which they laboured, must naturally' render theni more pliable instil.. merits in the hands of their demagogues to disturb . the peace. It had been repeatedly desired ti►atthe Catholics should spew a disposition to . concede what securities their fellow Protestant . suhjects• might think necessary. They hid now complied with that desire, and were they to be treated with as much cunteiuyt us when they were represented as a resisting and factious set of men ? He wi►s glad they pursued a line or enquct likely to conciliate their Protestant brethren. As to him self, however, he looked upon .securities as so many cobwebs, wad was of opinion that the etuan ciliation of the C and their being plated on - it footing of equality with the Piotestants, would be tlre best and the 'Only real security. Sir G. HILL opposed the motion. Sir N. CoLrueasTr was understood to support it, when load cries of question arose, and the Nouse divided.--. For thii Motion i it Agailist it vority against the Motiurk....----31 Mr. Peet. (ben obtained leave to bring in a BM to extend the powers of the Directors of the Zo lta! Navigation in Ire!And.The Bill was brought in, read *gust time, and ordered for a second read ing au Monday next. The Report of the Committee on the Seventh Article of the Union was brought up, the various Resolutions were agreed to, and Bills ordered ac cordio4ly. The Report of the Committee on the Husban dry-Horses Bill vas ordered to be received on Friday next. The Local Militia Rill went through a Com mittee, Report to-worrow. Mr. TiettNey asked why the accounts of the protraee of the Taxes imposed last Session, and for which he had moved, had not yet been pre sented ? The Custictaton of the Extnectueti wits tin derstood to say, that, he would make *inquiries in to the subject to-morrow-4 Aft'. CALA:Rapt , suggested, that as private busi ness had so much decreased, it would be proper to begin public bodiless at RH earlier hour. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER . thou,►bt that halt after four would not be too early. The SPEAKER said, that the present state of the private busiucss was such us to admit of that al teration. After some conversation, it was intimated, that no Gentleman bringing on public basinesS at half past four o'clock should be considered to.do it too early, The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the House adjourtitd at One o'Clock tb Morning, IMPORTANT PARLiAMENTARY PAPERS. (To be ton/bp/tit regalarly.) An of account laid before the House OF CO4l,llofisi sheaving the payments made in the 'quarter of a year ending the sth April, 1816, in respect of the charge at the Civil List for' that quarter, and 'also an estimate of the Demands out standing on' said day in respect of the charge of that quarter, states the Total Income of the Civil List for said 'quarter at 275,3361. 21. Od, and the Deficiency at 1.11,099/. 9s, The Report frohi - the Select Committee, ap pointed to,.conslder the means of affording itCCOIII 4 1119datiOn for transacting the business of the Court of Chancery, has 'been laid before the House of Commons, and printed. It recommends that two Courts be erected for the Lord High Chancellor and Vice-Chancellor of England, in Lincoln's,. Inn Gardens, on the north sitle'of the New-square. building proposed will occupy 75 feet in length, and 73 in depth. Its front will. not ex tend to more than one- thitd of, the ,witqle aspen, space on the south side of the Garden, and will not be of a'greater height than 35 feet t nor will it be necessary to, remove one ,of tt a trees. The expence iseitimated at 23,0001. to .be defrayed out of the Suitors' Fund, in the Court of Chan cery, which now yields, after paying the varioni expenees charged upon it, an annual surplus or 12,0001. and upwards. Rom the LONDON GAZETTE, May 21., 1516. Downing-strect, iii, 181 64 His Royal Highness the Prince Reaunt lots been pleased, in the. mune and on the behalf of hi.. Majesty, t(, appoint Francis Pickmore, Esq. Vice-Admiral. of - thr White, to be Goeernor and gotninander in Chief of the Island of New foundland and its dependendies. His Royal Highness the Prince Re;ent has also been pleased, in the name and on the behalf of his Majesty, to appoint the Right Reverend, Robert Stanser, P.D. to be Hi hop ut the see of Nova Scotia, in Ameri:a, in the room of the Right Rev. Charles D.D. late likhoo thereof, deceased. Carlton Nuu.Ve . . 33y 1,4, MO. His Royal Highness the Prince Regent, in. the name and on the hyhatf of his Majesty, was this day pleased to confer the honour of Knighthood on the ftillowing Gentletnen Charles Abbott, Esq. one of the 'Judges of the Court of King's Bench. George !4tiwley Holroyd, Esq. one of the Judges of the Court of King's Bench. jan.es Allan. Park, F.sq. one of the Judges of the Courtof Con;O:n ► . Janie& Borrough x Esq. one of the Jutlges of the 'Court of Common Plea:, Crouas (vice, bay 21, We. Members returned to serve in this present Parliament. Borough of Clifton Dartmouth Hardness—John Bastard, at Sharphanu ' I , .;sq. in the room of Edmund Pollexf en Bastard, Esq. who has accepted the Chiltern Hundreds. Borough of ‘Varwick—The Hon. Sir Charles Grey;lit, Knight Companion of the Order of the Bath, of Warwick. in the room of the Right Hon. Henry Richard com monly called Lord Brooke'(now tar! of Warwick). BANKRIIITA J.J. Bowing, Aldgate,,hatier, to surrender, May 98, at ele-- yen, June 4, at twelve, and July .4 at onei at Guildhall. Attorney, Mr: Bennet, Tokelthouse-yard. J. Stolces, Liverpool, merchant, June lit, 18, and July 2, at mit, at thy King's Arias. Liverpool., . Attornies, Messrs. - Britt and Kewley, Liverpool; or Messrs. Blackstock and Bunce, King's Bench-walk, Temple, London., J. Bedford, Fen, Drayton, Camisridge, May 97,29, at eleven, and July 2, at five, at the Hoop Inn; Cambridge. Attor en Mr. Peacocke, Cambridge. T. 'Anglia/is, Worcester, tartan's!), Jnne 11, - 19, and July 2, at twelve, at the Star and Gaiter, Worcester. Attornies, Messrs, Lowndes and Lowndos, Red Lion-square, London; or Mr. W.lll, Worcester. J. Wilson, Manchester, grocer, June 11, 19, and dilly . 2, at two, at Abe .tar Inn, Manchester. Attornies, Mes,rs. Willis, Fairt home, And Clarke, Warnforcl-court, London; or Mr. Fieslop, Manchester. T. Graham, Carlisle, spirit-merchant, June 0,7, and July !it, at eleven, at the Bush, Carlisle. Attornies, Messes. Words worth and Addison, Staple Litt, Landau; and Mr. Lowry * Carlisle. S. Goodlad, Baton with Harropte, Yorkshire, innkeeper, May 27,"at six, 28, and July 2, at ten,.at the Hope, Bilton with Harrogate. Attornies, Mr. Collins, Knaresborons, , b; or Messrs. F,xley„ Stociter, and Dawson, Furuival's , R. Evatil, Tredegar leon-works, Moinnouthcliire, currier, May 36, 31, and July 2, at eleven, at the GoWers Lion li.n, Abergavetury. Attornies, Mr. Williams, itsid Lion-square, London ; or Mr. Price, Aherguvenny. Wu r. Stuckey, Fleet-street„viutner, May 25, June 1, and Jitly 2, at one, at Guildhall. Attorney, Mr. Patten, Hat tonlarden. - . _ • Ciitlitutre and J. CaMitotic, Jun. Clinrch•court, Clement's.' tune, insurance-brokers, June I; It, and July 2,'at tett, at Attorttics, Messrs. Young and Hughes, St. Mildred's-court, Poultry. Jos. Nelson, East ludia-cliamhers. Lead - uhall-street, mer chant; May 9s, June I, and Juts , 3. at tett, at Guildhall. Attorney, Mri Pt.l oat, Warn ford. court, Thrognturton - . threat. J. Fran c i s , New Windsor, Backs, tinnytti, Why 25, 80, at ten, anthittly 2, at one, at GothilutH,;.Loodon• Attoruies Mc. Wm'thew, Chertsey, or Messrs. Hurd, Sh o w, anti J-olinson, King's Bench-walks, 'temple: Jos. heath, Burford, .oxfumishire, grnier, June t; 11 1 ;11,04 July 2,,at ten; at Uuil,lloll, Londan. Attornles, Metes. Biatulford, and Nlurray, 'temple, London. J. Slionloridge anti W. Yolk-place, Qurea's Elms, May 45, inne 8, and July -2, at to etre, at Guildhall. At torrf,es. Messrs. Hicks and Brad:turnip!, Battiat's•build inA-s, 113. !loge, Paneras-lanr, tavern-keeper, May 25, artsistiire, June rt 2, at one, and duly .2, at ;we've, at Unildltall.,,Atio Varney, Mr, fireenerood, Lawrence-lane, Chi/upside. fDiridotds, &c. to morrow.) CITY BUSINESS. Yesterday a Court of Cowman Council Wa s h e ld at Guildhall, which was numerously attended. • The LORD MAYOR acquainted the Court, that they had waited upon his Royal Highness the Prince Regent with their Address on Monday last, cungratuleting his Royal Highness upon the Mar., riage of her Royal llighness the Princess Char lotte A \ tigtista with his Serene Highness the Pi ineu of . Sax'Coburg ; that his Royal Highness re ceived them very graciously, ra n d was p l ease d to make a most gracious answer thereto, which his Lordship delivered into the Cotirt was read, and ordered to-bet entered on . the Journals. The Loan Ala you also delivered into-the Court hey Majesty's Answer to their Address of Con., gratulation, presented on Monday last at Buck. ingliam House, on the same occasion, avbictt was read and ordered to be entered on. the Journals» and his Lordship also, stated, that they afterwards proceeded to Camelford.house with the Addresses, of Congratulation to her Royal. Highni!so the Princess Charlotte Augusta, on her Marriage Witi4 his Serene Highness . Leppold George' Frederick* Duke of Saxe, Margrave of Meissen, Landgravo of Thuringtten, Prince of Cohorg of Saalfeld; and Iris Lordship delivered their respective An swers into Court,:-which were read by the proper Officer, and ordered to be entered on the Jour nals, Th City was voted to Prit:ec teoimet'd!edo and dt a o Duke9i Gloucester,