The Sun. — London, England, 1828-06-07 00:00:00

THE ROYAL FILTER FOR CISTERNS. The health and the comfort of every family are so 'Mame diately hound up with the supply of pure and wholesome Water to their habitations, that, to use the words of Dr. lyre, the eminent chemist and physician of Glasgow, " it cannot but be an interesting object to ascertain the qualities of that which is daily consumed by the inhabitants of large cities; seeing that a very minute portion of unwhole some matter, daily taken, insyconstititte the principal came of the differences in salubrity which are observable in dif ferent places." Important as this fact ig,.it is not the less true,• that the public attention was never fully roused, until the appear ance, about fifteen months ago, of a publication, called The Dolphin ;" the object of which was to prove, that an article, designated by the illustrious Dr. I%lead as "Me vehicle of all our nourishment," was actually supplied to th e m in a polluted and unwholesome condition. The writer was threatened with prosecution,- and his statements de- el i aed to be false : a public meeting of the inhabitants of the western part of the town nevertheless took place peti foams were presented to Parliament and the result was, the appointment of a Royal Conimiseina to inquire intothe State of the Supply of Water to the. Metropolis. The long and anxiously looked-for Report of.the Com missioners has at length made its appearance. •We have carefully gone over the hundred and fifty folio pages of which it consists, and we venture to assert, that a docuz . meta of greater importance has scarcely ever been laid before the public. Upon the concocting, testimony of =any of our most eminent chemists and physicians, fact, of the most fearful nature are therein established, beyond the possibility of contradiction ; namely, that the water drawn bl the Companies from the river Thames, is sent into our cisterns in a condition impure and offensive in , the extreme—that it is loaded with decayed animal and vegetable matters, the proceeds of a hundred and forty-five common setsers—that it is strongly impregnated with the deleterious refuse of gas, colour, lead, and soap-works, drug mills, end manufactories of every description---and that, :a consequence of this mass of ,polkution constantly mixing . ;vith it, it has became not only disgusting to the senses, but unfit to he employed in the preparation of food, or for any domestic purpose r ,r Le drive Commissioners, Dr. Roger, Professor Bfailde, atvi 11r. Telford, the.eminent engineer, :commenced their labouriby requesting Mr. Wright, theindivirinakvho di rected the public attention to the existin, evil, to furnish them _ , 113.0 , -a,..lstetecu,ent thcalleged; grievances, and to point out ale best uf.ohtaiitiogJirttOrmatin, as to the. truth of the„rillegaeums contained in the petition of the inhibitants of the we4ern.part of . the Metropolis 11. ParliaWtlit• 11l ennsnneru.e. of this. request,: Ali: Wright aildreqs4ed tatliern a h-letttair, , •whirh• if< asneseil to their Report. This Memoir, together with the F.vidence taken before the Commissioners, contains a series of testimonials to the gross impurity of the Thames water, of which we 46,411 here give a brist outline. All of Ahem will be read w ith ; n t ere ,t ; soma with sensations bordering upon horror. Few wouhl bave,credited the frightful facts, if they came a less questionable shape. XVIOCNCS OF THE• 1/11 . 1.1101Y AND Txr. AT ITIMITT or Tor THAMES WATS% SUPPLIED IN THE rOIIPANIV4. Sir Henry Halford , pronouneee', the ureter sent into his . house to bee filthy - fluid, with Whiel, he is disgusted. Mr. Thomas, the enrgeon, tells us it is settirated with de= rayed vegetable matters, and other- stihstimces prejudicial ire health. Dr. Hooper is convinced that - eitelt matters in the stomach greatly Ccmtribute to • the -prrelnetien of that state of faulty digestion and impurity' of blond, of which the inhabitants of the Metropolis' nee - eonstantlycomplain- M r . Keats, the surgeon, avows it to be his opinion, that it is so frithrand impure; al=to unit for the break •fast table and far :culinary pArtetedies,-• ;old that it' adds so snitch to she Other' Onwholettetuts eonetittients 'of liread, as to render every-menlinjurionle te , the - he:llth of thineand.i. Dr., Touter asserts, that-the water sent into his cisterns tiering the• hot .weather , drequently berme quite pntrid; andDr...l. R. Hume, of Curzon-street,littelut doubt that sire continued nee of it without filtering ie'elpable of pro ijoeingeffeleterions,effeeti. •'• y -Dr. Vora, &eye,' ilint the . Theitilee 'Water is extremely fad, „ . foul,_dirty, , -smlLuntelsolesome, front the' great quan-- e,ty of filthy-Matters continnally Pouring into it from '7.9G.. Pieta:4S zcexers.. .fle insrences it disease which prevailed to. very serinve.eeteut; which- he hitif"ltimsell'trat'ed to the tnpuritiee of the water- for dorneatiense. - ' • Dr. Kerrieon makes rtv itego:l4l4:M wi:tle a fact, "the peel retell of which wilteetriteehe genre Aiegitet the in?rul of the render, as-vre oarseteei;' , fei4 hi siller - Catlitg' It. - On lo epeeting tle..Thautes neor‘tbrlltridikft'at Chelsea Hospital, says Ito saw "the frill and black stream from the Ra oelegti sewer, puesiug between the Company's steam-engine and the Dolphin, loaded with an small portion of nndirided ;floating filth from privies;" from which he concludes, " a considerable quantity of human excrement, in ~aboUrided and undecompo.sed state, actually passes into pee cisterns.'" Dr. Sotnerville, die physician to Chelsea Hospital, states r i k v oter to be' verYimpuree "The tide," he eays, - "stirs op the t,; ass of impurity produced by all that is corrupti ble i n t h e cuimal and vegetable world, together with the anxious filth s! gas l ihd - other rnanufactoricS, that con stantly flow into • - jh7e Thames from. .liattersea down to Gravesend." Alludin; to the water supplied to his late residence - itt Hanover-equette, he adds,' "it was not only frequently, but generally, ex,,remely impure, fatid, and offensive ; that it tieposiQd' muter: mud, and oaten enough so render its colour blackish." Dr. James Johnson, the author of the f c Treatise on In.; digestion," pronounces the water' to' be disgusting to the eight,, and the effluvia to affect the sense.. rntil - he changed his residence he was affected with pain after tak ing his - breakfast, wliieh he attributes tn'the water. fie states the fact of several young females who had been• affected with bowel romplaints from the same cause. if they went Milt of town few days, anti drank other water, the complaint subsided, butt often returned on their again drinking this Water. There was a scum on the sedate of the water of an oily nature, and the deposit is immense. When his cisterns were cleaned nut, the smell rendered the ireouse Very'unconfortable. "We sneer," says the Doctor, "'at the delicacy of the Hindoo, who slakes hie thirst at C:e same tank where his neighbour. is sactificitig to Clwina ; but what Alia we ay to the deli Cati. citizens of Westminster, who fill their tanks isx:i stomachs with • water' frorii . the Thames, at' that very spot jute which hundred' thousand cloacx, containing weer/ spa ,e ,of filth and riff unutterable• things, ern daily disgorging their )itieous'and abominable contents. it is abSol'utety . aao.- Dishing; that in these days of refinement, and in' a Metro polis whose inhabitants pride themselVes Ou'delicaey and a en nilywr, a practice shonld obtain, at which pOsterity will shudder, if they can credit it. A time 'must 'fngle when the people will open their eyes to this scene of car niptiOn, veiled and concealed as 'it • iron tubes and stone pavements. It ;.e probable that . part of the Meath brity of the Metropolle. , ae compared with the, eeteutry, May be owing to this cause.' The last professional gentleman ta wlarase — eVidetice sve e hail refer, is Dr. Paris, the author of the popular Wrf r rk on Diet. He pronounces the water to be impure and offen s4e, a m; says that it stinks shortly after it has come in. L arge que e e titiee of matter are meelaniCally suipended in it. The C m any se nd in mud with the water," j a i n e ci sta th t e e n s, co th rn a - t op com plain that the c!s , erns ar e not kept clean. a family whom he 3,ttended last autumn Were ,i all , ill, and be belieies it are front zir inkin g this water. AA a Ole,. airian," he says, f , e anetet ,find terms mufficiently eerie_ : thin of the aw f u l e ff ec ts it /nay be likely to produce upon the health,• and even lives, of :the feoluthitants of the Me tropolis." - And in 'the last edition ,of his work be goes stiff further; and asserts, that if a remedy !p . aot applied to the evil, "the ravages of fome !!,' fairly anticipated.'! . We could adduce the cocroborative testimony of many other;professioncl men of erninerw i if our space would allovi us to do 50: we cannot, however, noncliide without ;giving abort summary of the evidence of ids individuals, whom business st has Well ta watch the • progress the mischief, and to trace it up to its :source. ' 11r. Mills, the engineer, tells us, tioi.t the ThaMas is :,.either more nor lesathan the common scums of ,London, so far as it receives the contents a all the sewers; tchicle tin the north side ace ninety-nine, and on the sonth'forty six.' The water taken up -Opp os it e some of the sewers at th e time of discha r g e is neatly the sithetantive,cnatents of those channels of human orrhfre. Mr. Joseph ,Evans ;ace steu seen the sewe rs discharging black slimy liquid, with gas, oil, dead animal:, entrails tirom -the slaughterhouses, and other filth too disgusting to name. Mr. ..(-*)o'dhvgb, the fishmonger, say', that the Company's water is muddy and offensive : if fresh fish 0 1 pu t into it, P they will not live more than six hours, and turn a yellow colour. ; r t e . Butcher, a fish-salesman, states the water to be very bad, wail that he has known three parts of 3 carpal eels to die by tiee gas-water passing the vessel. Islr. Newland, th e master pf a Dutch vessel, sari, that out of 26,0001 he of eels, the csygO of twO r hOats, only 9,0601b5. were marketed alive ; they became sick ou being put into the 'fhame,, water, and soon died ; they changed colour, and became spotted like snakes. Another captain says he has known 'B,OOO weight to die in half an hour, and that if the water gets worse, they must give up the hueiness. William and Thomas Hetherill, fisher men, state, .that they have left off the business because it had left them off. • They used to catch Rounders, eels, roach, smelts, salmon, Ika before they were rained. The water gets worse every year ; the oauae is the gas: they could get plenty of dead "~:.~--- flounders, but no live ones; had seen the flounders put up their beads above the water, and if there was a httodle of weeds they would escape from the water upon it. Had seen two thousand pound weight of fish die in an hour ; and when the wells were opened there was quite 'a stench, and oil on the top of the water. The last evidence we shall quote from is that of Mr. Goldham, who has been yeoman at Ilillingsitate-market for twenty:five years. Be says, be has known 50,000 smelts brought daily to Billingsgate, and 8,000 salmon in the season caught in the Thames.. fie adds, that they are now all destroyed, and this fishery gone ; and this he attributes to the:impure state of the water, from the refuse of the gas works, from all the common sewers running into it, and the steam-hosts c o nstantly stirring up the filth. He has seen 4;000 - eels alive at. night in the Dutch boats, and the next moriving three=fo;rths have been Many fiihermen have been ruined by the change. TUE REMEDY, AS RECOMMENDFD BY THE COMMISSIONERS. .Such is the pieture—the faithful and frightful picture —of the. eendition of the water of the Thames, as supplied by the Companies to their enatomere. That the inhabit ants of the richest, largest, most populous city in the World—the seat of a ,more opulent body of nobility and gentry than is to be . found in any other metropolishnuld, for so long a time, have been contented to have seen daily running into their cisterns, and to have used, for all do mestic and culinary - purpose', a necessary of se loaded with all sorts of impurities as to be pronounced, by profes sional men of the first eminence, to be oili•nsiee to the sight, disgusting to the imagination, and destructive to health, is a fact that would not have been credited, and that ought not to have ken credited, hut upon evidence " strong as proof of Holy Writ r „ That the Commissioners, ,with these facts before them, should terminwe their labours withcut taking into tsonsi aeration the best mode of removing so crying an evil, was '.neat to impossible. Prevented, however, by the limits assigned to their inquiry, from looking abroad fora purer smirce, they naturally turned ,their attrttion to the im provement of the supply at home; and the reatilt.of their lalinur is the recommendation of a general system of fil tration—a system. not. limited to the fifty-three thousand families daily drinking the filthy fluid of which we have been speaking, hot extending itself to the hundred and sicenty-six thousand tenants of .the New .River and other . Caroparlies consuming the twenty-nine millions of gallons daily f;upplied,to the Metropolis. " Although," say they, "the :alew River water is. not open to the same objectionable impregnations as that of the Thames, it .receives the drainage of a large extent of country, is ocea sicmnally very tnuddy, and 19 snseeptilde of ranch improve filtratio is the remerly,pointed-ont and recommended by the Commis , :oners. That those gentlemen did not consider it to he a,perfie t cans, will appear by the. following observa tion ;—" It must," sly they, " lee recollected, : that insect+ and suspended impurities only are separated by filtration, and that thg a pority of the water, as dependent upon matters held in testate of solution, cannot he improved by any prarricable modification of the process. if, there fore, it can be shown, that water taken frnm the parts of the, river whence, the Companies draw . their supplies, either is, pr : is likely to be, contaminated by substances dissolied, or :chemically , combined. it will follow, that the most perfect system of filtering can effect only a partial purification." Unfortunately, at the moment when the Commissioners were drawing up this paragraph of their Repo: t, the patent for " The Royal Filter fin. Cisterns" had not prized through the tedious ordeal of athee; . for if the merits of this invaluable discovery had been submitted to their consideration, that Report, we are inclined Jo-believe, Wenhl not have contained the assertion, that "the ~most perfiaa system of filtration can effect only a partial purifi cation." The subjoined extract from a Prospectus issued Ity the Proprietor,will he perused with the liveliest in terest by all whn considetadeanlinessgo be essential to health, and the eurity.of the element of which we are treating, to he nearly or equal importance with the air we breathe:— " The Royal Filter for Cisterns will be found superior to all filters hitle'rto irivented, , inasmuch as it not only pessesses the power of clarifying the water in a pro-emi nent but al-o that of complete purification, ren dering the - roost turliid, stagnant, and,ftetid water, of a crystalline ol.epriving it of every noxious ingre dipia-; anti, in t'aat, producing cNature's nectar' in the highest possible perfection ; that is to say, clear and des , titrac of taste and sinell:" . " But •where," the reader will naturally exclaim, " is the 1 ,11,4 a all to he Coluul? n.ust have toomething more solid and satisfaCtory than bare assertion'." The ful lowing statement must, we think, set the doubts of the most scepticti at rest.for o'er. • Hume, the respectable ehenii,t of Long-acre, who has long been employed by Government in analysing water, had two hottlps of water s,nt to him for analysa tion ; tl:e one full of all animal rind vegetable matters in a state of decomposition, and strongly impregnated with gas; the other, a bottle which had contained the same foul in. gredients, but had been purified by- the Royal Filter. In the unfiltered bottle lie found, he says, forty-six grains and a half of solid molter, of which thirty grains consisted of impurities, anti the remaining sixteen grains were the original ingredients peculiar to the water, and die. 7 solved in " for," he observes, " there is no water, however pure and wholesome, whether from deep wells, su perficial springs, or any other source, that is free from saline and other soluble salts, not at all injurious to health." In the filtered bottle be found only sixteen grains of substances, which, nn examination, proved to be the same materials peculiar to, and soluble in, the water in its pri mitive state, and perfectly free from the impurities and contingent foulness of the water, occasioned principally by decayed vegetable matters, a slight impregnation by animal substances, some csrbnreted hydrogen or coal gas, and earbouic acid gas. Mr. Hume concludes with hearing the following high testimony to the merits of this discovery: After, a very careful analysis, I cannot hesitate to pronounce the method. which has been adopted to filter this spfeimen of grater to be ,most effectual, and highly deserving of public encouragement." The same gentle man, at a subsequent period, analysed two other bottles, and says, " the opinion 'I had formed, of this new process for filtering . is fully confirmed." We should add, that the water thus analysed, although purposely, strongly impreg nated with gas and other, impurities, became crystallised, and destitute of taste and smell. Thus it is clearly proved, that of the forty-six grains and a half of solid matter originally placed in the Royal Filter, ,oaly sixteen grains of substances passed throughit ; end whicksixteeu grains,are proved to be peculiar to water in its priaoitive state, and not at all deleterious to health. However rx i - zc.)l, therefore, the observation of the Corn. missioners may apply to all former systems of filtration, it is greatly - to be regretted that, before the close of their la bours, they had not the benefit of the preceding experi- Merits, and of the following striking testimonials to the excellence of " the Royal Filter.", Protestor Braude, one of the three Commissioners ap poUtted.by the King, has had a portable Royal Filter, fur the .ptxpaae of trying experiments on water in a similar candition i that described by Mr. Hume ; and Le has stepped forward his . ready testimony to the sin g ular merits of this dissovery, "I have , " h e sa y s, "tried its effect on very turbid water, taut 4 appears to possess the two great desiderata of such contrivances, namely, to filter rery perfectly, and very rapidly." Mr. Brodie, the surgeon, corroborates every thing flirt haz keen said in its favour. He states, that having pro.. cured ac ,, ,nv: .9f the foulest water his • house afforded, and mixed with it a ,sanity of water impregnated with gills from coals, he poured - it ;Att, the Royal Filter ; that it passed through it .eery Was drawn off in a state of such purity, and so patirrly five Irpp the odour taste of the gas, as t o b e d ac a J ater on the. table, t o b e dra g n u k ite fiidirt fat' beingingdinn PIV4 ;I? r. Dr. SolutagAre says, he has made sufficient experi, ments with the e filtkr:r,l, , Apparatus to satisfy -Lis judgment o f its efficacy in rendering the p=oet turbid water quite clear 4.7 -4 agreeable, both to the eye and to taste, and con,i -t e a m li pto: n t of it, has had nori‘harisrit cistern, and 7 1:a nto v e • „ E l .ri al rgs e rne i:p th o en has had a Royal Filter plac4 i the satisfaction to find his it:;;;se regularly and abundantly suppl;e4 w ith clear and wholesome :eater, H e considers that the-iotxOtiction.of it generally i nto found highly will be a pdF,aye to the iimprovement of the . the mttmpoli, icy 4‘jvil arresting th e d e l eter i ous ITter L.; ts present state, and which lie thinloi, of late, years,. tended 4 11 gment th e . 1 s diso r ders arisin-, out r ,ratalogue. of those ati,vtau 0, morbid' 4erangernent of stomag4 !arid the other organs sub servient tothe process ,of dige s tion. Mr. Keate,- the NArgeotli the considers it to be alatirably adapt4io the .iniportant,pi.epose purifying and clarifying water on a large : cale, and that it would be a . valuable pendage wry cistern. ." possesses, says. great advantage of filtering that is served into the cis. tern, so that notutfiltered water can be used fop domc.sti,c, purposes ; and .the water thus filtered is,bcoutiPall dor. We trust we have said enough to draw general'attention to the merits of a discovery so highly conducive to the cleanliness, comfort, ant health of the inhabitants of ties thickly peopled metropolis. We shall only add, that the Apparatus may be inspected at the Office of the Patentee, Mr. George Robins, ~ 69, Strand, opposite the -Adtiphi Theatre, where the.puWit,:•aru Invited _to have ocular de itiOnatration of the efficaey of this remedy. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF,_ LORDS, JUNE 6. TIT House was unusually full, in consequence of an expectation raised that Mr. Canning's Pena Bill would he discussed. The Duke of SUSSEX presented petitions from the Roman Catholics of Connaught and of Chichester, in favour of their claims, The Earl of -.MALMESBURY presented a petition from between two and three thousand inhabitants of Hornmstle and its neighboorhood, ;against any alteration in the Corn Lan;s, and calling on their Lordships to take the• situation of the Agricultural Labourers; into their con sideration. The Earl of MALMESBURY moved that the order of the day for bringing up the - Report . ou the County Lunatic Asylum Bill on Wednesday next FAz discharged, - and that' the R►port he brought up that day three months. Agreed to, and tht , lt was accordingly thrown out. The Earl. of SHAFTESBURY preSented a petition from the Calvinistic Methodists of Glamorgan, against granting further concessions to the Catholics. Similar petitions Were presented by Lord Viscount LORTON from the Corporation of Barber-Surgeons in Dublin, from a parish in WicklOvv, and from Derrylossery ; and by the Earl of LoNoroan, from several parishes in the county of Cavan. The Marquess of LANSDOWNE had several. petitions to present in4avotir of the repealing the Catholic Di,abi lities, and though an opportunity would occur of presenting them on Monday evening, he thought it would be more convenient to. their-Lordships, if all such petitions were presented then. The :Noble. Marquess then presented peti tions in favour of the. Catholics, from a number of inhabi tants, being Prokstants, and among them several Magis trates and Clergymen of .the Church of England, of War minster ; from tbe Roman Catholics of Killarney, of 'St. Ann's and St. Mary's, Cork,' aid several other parishes in Ireland ; and from the Raman Catholics of. Clndleigh, Devon, of Cockertoolith, and of a place in Milts. Mr. Hogs DnomatoNn, and others from the Commons, brought up a Private Bill. .The Stamps' Allowance - Bill went through a Committee, and the. Report was.received. MR. CANNING'S PENSIG BILL The Duke of WELLINGTON, :in moving the second reading of this Bill, said, I will state to your Lordships the grounds upon whick I was a party to the introduction of this mealtime into Parliament, and those upon which I recommend your Lordships to pass it. My Lords, Mr.' Canning, whose talents and qualifications were well known to this country, entered into his Majesty's Service in 179t3. Having filled several important stations ih this country, he died in 1827, while in office as Chancellor of the Ex chequer, and First Lard of the Treasury. My Lords, it is well-known that the salaries of officers, particularly in the high offices of this cOuntry, are very inadequate to defray the expenses of those who fill them. This may be good policy; it may he right with a view toeconomy. But it is quite clear that when a person, situated as Mr. Gaming was, with but a small fortune, - comet to be called on to perform the duties of one of those high offices, he must either perform them inadequately, - and live in a manner unfit for a person filling those offices, or call upon some "other funds for support. This unfortunately was the cage,of the Right Hon. Gentleman, and he was obliged to expend a great portion of those funds destined for his family. My Lords, I think I may venture to state that if Mr. Canning had, instead of entering into the public service, appeared in the profeee sion for which he was educoted, and for which he was so well qualified, there ran be no doubt . that he would have risen to the greatest eminence, - and left his family—had they unfortunately been deprived of him—in affluence.--s. I state to Lordships that Mr. Canning was, in No , appointed by the East India Company to the•Goveenor- Generalship of India, and that he was on the point of sail ing to take possession of that office when called on by his Majesty to fill the situation of Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, in consequence of the very severe loss his Majesty had .seseained in the death of the Marquis of Londonderry: • I say, niy Lords, that if Mr. Canning had at that time been allowed to proceed to India, he .would in all probibility have - been by this time on his return home, with that supply for his -fa mily which would have rendered all anxiety on this subject uncalled for. Shortly after - Mr. Canning entered the ser vice of his Majesty on the tart °evasion, his Majesty; feeling that he had . given up - this very important .and lucrative office, in order to enter into his _Ma . leafy's' political service, thought proper to confer on 11rfr.- . Canning one of tho:e penAions which his Majesty is enabled to confer, by that Act which it is the object iof this Bill to amend. My Lords, I must say, too, as I bell 14 I am almost the only person, who is enabled to - ' rt it of -his own knowledge, that . this act of ' ce on the part of his Majesty , Wag -totally unsolicited by r. Canning. , Mr. Canning, however, in consequence of the previsions of this Act, never having been out of office from the period at which this pension was granted to him, never received any of the emoluments of such pension. Conse quently he became exposed to the expenses of supporting she situation of Secretary-of State for the Foreign. Department on the salary of that office alone, and on the Mods of his pri vate resources. Under these circumstances, -my Lords, Mr. Canning found himself but ill able to make such a pro vision for his family 'as they ought to have had, considering the situation he filled. My Lords, I beg to call your Lord ships' Attention to the alteration which this Act of Parlia . ment Made, - and' consequently to the situation in which Mr. Canning's family were placed. In all probability, if this act had not passed, the same grace and favour which indu ced his Majesty to confer one of the pensions he granted, , would have induced him to confer on Mr. Canning a sine cure office. If he had had a sinecure, he would now, in all probability have had an income equal to his rank and station. But, my Lords, this is not the only view to be taken. When Mr. Canning died it is well known that he possessed the con fidence, favour, and kindness of his Sovereign, and BO man whb knows We Majesty can doubt, that if he had had it hi. power at that nsoment, lie would have relieved the afflic tions of Mr. Canning'e family by giving the stn either the sinecure, held by the father or have made some other pro vision for them. Under these circumstances, any Lords, I ask your Lordship to enable me to amend this law, in order that his Majesty may be enabled to do that which he i n.. tended to do if that law had never passed. As an inducement to your Lordship's consent to this, Bill I may mention that it creates no extra expence; for the pensien which it is pro posed to be granted by it is one of those which his Majesty has in his power to grant at the present moment. I will likewise add that it will create no inconvenient prece dent, as in the event of a recurrence there can be no doubt the House would gladly come to a conclusion, that would enable his Majesty to make such a provision for his family as that which I now propose. I beg, there fore to propose the second reading of this Bill. Lord DACRE said, though, he had, en very few occa sions, while Mr. Canning was living, concurred with him, yet no man was more sensible than he was of the great ta lents and vast acquirementa of that Right Hon. Gentleman. The Noble Duke had stated the grounds on which he (Lord D.) should oppose the Bill. The question now teas, whether the Bill, by which it was proposed to amend the 57th of his late Majesty, resolved on 'after long and se rious debate, should pass; by which that Act would .be amended and repealed, which was introduced to prevent any future Minister from establishing a claim to a rever sionary place while in the service of his Majesty. To this he could not consent. - Under the provisions of that Act—for in those times extravagance was not the order of the day—the number of pensions granted was to be limited to six in the course of twelve years. At present there were only five of these pensions to be disposed of, and only one was loose and supernumerary. If it were considered. that tinder this Bill only one of those pensions was fixed. on. the life of a young gentleman, it 0114 to him that it served to throw a greater burden 011 the country by thg age of the person to whom the interest was given than was contemplated. by those under whose auspices the Act-was. introduced. Their Lotelehipe would see that either they were curtailing, by that Act, the power of the Crown, or withdrawing from those who-had 6 fair claim, from length of service in some high office, to the 'p r oeseseioa .pf veil a pension, for the services they had performed. ' He liana stated Thus much in order to thew what were the conclusions' to which the Parliament, - after an arduous • and -long .discueeion, had arrived. It -wa l l l, certainly true-that .11r. Canning had never enjoVed- the peosioa eooferred on him; but-why was this? BeCattie Mr. Canning had been invariably in-possession of an .oeitv with retire higher , her emoluments than. the pension he- might' which,'. under the 'Act • of • the h7th of the late -king, was not superadded to the emoluments of the Station he held. The penaioia was not to add to hitisaltirYWhile he held ace, but to •be a retiring half-ney. Another pet of the.l3lll. he. was astonished to see.'-.in relation to the peepniary. circumstances- of Mr: Canning, and in connection with these eircutnitances-:,-that his. family had lately heen. elevated to the Peerage:; : If the circumstances, of the Right Hon. Gentleinan were such as to call . for assistance, be thought titter - Lordships should take care that the grant erkonld go to maintain the dignity of , the Peerage ; . he was therefore-surprised. to find that it was not the eldest son to whom the pension was, to descend, - but it was to be placed on the life of a younger son, and was in vested for him in the hands of trustees. Admitting' as he did the great talents of the liou- Gentleman, though he ditfered fro►n bim in almost all questions of economy, bad the Bill bean merely to give a sum of money, he would nnt have voted against it. • Hs conceived that it would now he bettor to withdraw the Bill, and bring forward such a measure ai he proposed, which wouldlae more agreeable to justice, and more acceptable to the majority of the country. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he believed that even his enemies would not suppose that he was ani mated by any feelings of political hostility or political ran cour; and he was sure his friends would not suppose that he acted from any such feelings, in making the following few observations to their Lordships. It would -be in the recollection of their Lordships, that durisg, the last Sea 4on of Parliament there was no person who took a more prominent part against the policy of the Right Hon,: Osntreman than , he did. He disapproved of his arrange ments, both as to our domestic and foreign policy; and he bad expressed publicly his opposition before their Lord. lie would never allow of the phrase, that he had. Called a new world into existence. He had opposed the lamentable Treaty of the 6th ofJuly.—(Hear, hear.)—Ne bout • opposed the policy which had led, unfortunately, the Rus4an armies across the Pruth, and perhaps across the Danube, and which might perhaps lead to the destruction of the Ottoman Empire. Had it not been for the policy of that Right Uon. Gentleman, the Russians would not i have been encouraged to Tress' forward; but he had made what was only a sentiment in hitn,ltt was life and death to 'the Russians, the basis of a treaty and -had he not urged forward the Russians, they would probably have followed the policy of the Emperor Alexander on that question; and have remained at test. Being opposed to both the domestic and foreign policy of that :Right Hon. Gentleman, if the Noble Duke had proposed the grant as an acknowledgment of the policy of the deceased, he should have been obliged to oppose the motion.. He could not haye heard any person stand up in that .House and praise I the proceedings of the Right Hon. Gentleman. He was glad, therefore, to bear the Noble Duke ask the consent of, their Lordships, on the ground that the salary of the Secretary of State fOrForeign Affairs was inadequate to his office; 'that he had been prevented from going to India, ' and that 'hie family was not provided for. He did Rot mean 'to 'speak of making up what the family had lost ; he could feel for that loss as a man should , feel. 'He was glad, 'therefore, that the Noble Duke had placed the vote on these grounds, so that hi for one was not prepared to oppose the grant of a pension.' There are individuals around me (con tinued the Noble Marquis), who have received pensions for their services: SA•eral Noble Lords had received pensions, for• diplomatic services. 1, however, am one individual to whom the late Right Hon. Gentleman, out of personal hostility, did not choose to award the same pension, though I - have the same claim as other Noble. Lords.—(Hear.) —l will not, however, because the Right Hon. Gentleman re fused me a pension to which my services were entitled—l will not, therefore, refuse a pension to his family, being very sensible that his great talents and long services entitled him to it. These are my reasons for supporting the measure, and I give it the vote with greeter pleasure, in consequence of what has occurred within these few days. I was glad to see certain Gentlemen, the friends of the late Right- Hon. Gentleman, retire from his Majesty's Councils.— There was certainly a political incubus pressing on the Cabinet, and I rejoice that it haa been repressed. Now that the Noble Doke has.the materials of his Government constituted equally and uniform, all will be well. .1 trust that now the principle of the Government will be stable, and that our commercial sad agricultural interests will be steadily pursued, with none of those divergencies or those aimings after foreign perfection, which had lately distin guished our Councils.- . --(Hear.)--I have stated thus much, my Lords, because I could not bring myself to give a silent vote on this subject, and to explain to your Lordship the grounds on which I made up my mind to rote in favour of the - motion. , On the Noble Marquis resuming his seat, both Earl DUDLEY and Lord GODERICFLrose to address their Lordships; but the former Noble Lord was called for. Earl DUDLEY proceeded as follows ;—After Lheard the manner in which the Noble Duke introduced this 'measure to your Lordships' notice, it was not my intention, ttr have said a _single word ; and I should not have done so had it not been for something which fell from the Noble Marquis who has just spoken. Your Lordships will feel that it is impossible I can hear my late Rig,t Hon. Friend attacked without standing forward to rope: the charge. There is one subject to which the Noble Marquis referred, to which I was surprised to, hear him refer: . Ile said I think—if I heard him right, and if not he will correct ow, and I should be glad to find that I am mistaken—he said as I understood, that many persons about him had re ceived pensions.who were not better entitled to them than he was ; and that he had been rause,' his pension by tna personal and political hostility of the late Mr, Canning— (Hear, hear.)—My Lords, it is impossible for any man for dive into the human heart, and say by what motives it is actuated, or whit writs and was not its intention. My Lords; it 'is impossible to dispr o ve, therefore, the imputation that has been cast on my late Right Hon. Friend ; but I can confidently appeal, nokonly to thefriends of that Right Mon. Gentleman—not only to indifferent: persons, but .I might appeal even to political enemies of any late ,Right, Hon. Friend ;' and I am sure, with one single exCeptiora-- (Cheers,)—there is not one of them who can suppose him capable of doing so base a thing from so 'base a motive, and in - so base a mannei,—(Chiers.)—That my late Right Hon. Friend had strong feelings, like most men of talents, and that he might have strong resentments, I will not deny ; but that he felt any such resentment towards the Noble Marquis I do not know ; but I can assure him, if the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) had such feelings--if he did entertain such an hostility, he would have shewn it in another and very different shape, and not by refusing a pension of 2,0001. a year to the possessor of two vast estates. —(Cheers) My Lords, I wish not to speak of Mr. Canning in connection with this subject ; it is a disagreeable one, hut it.haa been referred to. My Lords, your Lordships know that the subject has been mentioned before, and that the ap plicaticin of the Noble Marquees met with a refusaL;When the applieation . *as made by the Noble Alarquesi to Mr. Canning that he might receive a pensiOtiTor his Diplomatic services, what was the result ? Mr. Canning did ',tot refuse ; but with a tielieacy of feeling which belonged to him, he thought that he would not be a proper judge of the claims of the Noble Marquess ; and he did not choose—recollect ing, perhaps, the collision he had hail with one of the Noble Mai quests 's family, and distrusting himself, he referred the question to a friend of the Noble Lord, and a friend of his brother—a most iinpaitinl Nobleman, and then at the head of hit Majesty's Government. Ido not wish to revive the discussion which then ensued. I hardly know what shape the refusal took ; but the refusal came not from my deceased friend—it catnefroth the Noble Marquess's friend, the Earl , of Liverpool.—(Cheers.)—Fanits my Right Hon. Friend had, but they were not faults of that ungenerous nature.--; Faults he had—God forhid that I should say he did- not share them with other men—but I am sure,that my_ftight Honourable Friend would never have refused to the Noble Marques that justice he refaced to no man. I am not very well acquainted with this business of pensions, but I believe the fact is that there is a certain sum set apart for the Crown to bestow as pensions, and the Crown is not enabled to grant any pensions after that sum is exhausted. When the whole stun has been appropriated, no more pen sions can be granted. It is not to be inferred that, in grant_ ing pensions, the circumstances of individuals are not to be taken into consideration : for if that were the case, a pension might be giien to an opulent individual, and a per son who had served an equal time, and who might need it more, would ao without. But the services and the cir cumstances of individuals were taken into consideration ; or an opulent Minister might receive a pensien, and a person equally deserving'might not receive one.• I suppose it was-on this ground that the claim of the Noble Mar quis was not granted. It was no disparagement to that `Noble Lord, but those who had the decision of the ques tion felt that be did not need the pension. This is the best possible reason why it should not he granted. With re ference to the Bill before yoiar Lordships, I have to express nay satisfaction at the manner in which it has been brought i o d ain f u nd e n ti e l;e cessary fLlztitiles the m me r s: lnc u b r a e rnen i pi n u s a - , u s c uf l r i eee a l m nb a os n auy n ni e d : t o t I,ol;:taalns,k, it th s ir t me h n e df t te, r rr i e si n t : t ! forward by the Noble Duke. The Noble-Doke •has intro. for me to add a single word with respect to the grant itself. A' N o bl e F r i en d near me h as ma d e some ob . ser m.a v n a n t e i o r n o ; s t z• e h i g e r h a , nt i t th appea r s th to e sraubes,tanrecefi'rofmit. mor e -not, therefore, enter into the observations of my Noble Friend. 1 think the point essential to the memory of my Right honourable Friend, as we'l as to the interests of his his family,' and as to the mode of making it, I consider that we shotild adopt that which may he found to be the moat convenient course. lam satisfied with the course proposed by the Noble Duke ; but if the grant could bentade in the form proposed by the Noble Lord behind me, should feel more satisfied, as it NN'opld be more gratifYing to the memory: of at/ Right Hon. Friend—as a greater act of justice to a distinguished individual. lam anxious that the granting this pension should not be placed upon any gtoond which could be considered displeasing to those who were opposed to Mr. Carving's political principles and condoct. ' If the question had been the erection of a monument, er granting a public funeral, differences of opi nion might fairly be expected to arise upon it. But here we have only to look back upon the great talents, the in defatigable industry and labour, with which Mr. Canning had for years deVoted himself to the service of his country. The measures he introduced received the sanction of Par liament, and the support of the country. Whether Par liarbent and the country were wrong in granting that sup- . , port, is not now the question we are too late for that inquiry. The only question for our consideration is, the provision we ought to - make for the family of a departed Statesman, who spent his life and injured his fortune in the public service? The Marquess of LONDONDERII Y explained. Lord GODERICH—My Lord, there are many reason why I should express the sentiments I entertain with ro. spect to this grant. • In the first place, when I had the honour of a seat in his Majesty'. Councils ; this subject was discussed between us, and I, in common with my col leagues, was of opinion, that it was our duty to submit to Parliament a measure- of this description. I was induced to take that ,course, not only fro m m y sense of the g r e at t a lents -and "services—l may truly say, the eminentrierviees—ot any late Right Hon. Friend, but also "Nit thieprinciple, that if Parliament deprived the Crown .of providing , for the.puhlic servants, who had enjoyed its .conlidence and served it.well, they were bound to provide other means by, which those services could be rewarded. The sinecure places formerly in the gift of the Crown were done away with, upon the ground of economy and prin ciple ; but if we did away with those places, it is our duty to fill up the deficiency when an opportunity of doing so occurs. And, therefore, I can see no force in the argu ments used by the Noble Lord on the right (Lord Dacre) who has opposed the motion. I look upon the proposed grant, not as a liberal donation, but an act of public justice. Having said so much with respect to the grant itself, I feel called upon to notice one or two observations which fell from the Noble Marquess (Londonderry) who spoke early in the discussion. The Noble Marquess professed to support the grant; but I must confess that he did so in rather an extraordinary manner.. For although he de clined entering into a history of Mr. Canning's conduct, be has yet . given us enough to shew that he is opposed to the principles and policy of "that Right Hon. Gentleman. My Lords, I who was a party to that policy, and who sup ported the principles of'zny late Right honourable Friend, have a right to object to the observations of the Noble Marquess; and I now beg to inform. him, that if he will afford me an opportunity of doing an, I shall be ready to . show that his comments. are altogether without foundation. My Lords, I .was surprised• to hear the Noble Marquess assert that he had been refused his' pen sion by Mr. Canning on the ground of political 'hostility. I will not weaken the very: able and eloquent, and feeling defence of Mr. Canning made by my Noble Freud above me (Lord Dudley); but I will tell your Lordships, and I tell it with confidence, that with that refusal Mr. Canning had nothing whatever to do.—(Hear, hear.) The appli cation was made to Lord Liverpool, and I was with him at the time, and, the letters were shown to me. The Noble MarquiS claimed his pension on the ground of right, but Lord Liverpool held that he had no right ; in that opinion I fully • concurred, and I should hive done so had the ap plicant been the nearest relative I have got in this world. The grounds of the refusal have been clearly stated by my Noble Friend (Lord Dudley), and I hold it not right that the memory of Mr. Canning should be attacked with im putations foreign from his character and unworthy of his nature. The Noble Marquis has assigned as another reason for his support of this measure, the recent changes which have taken place in his Majesty's Government. He has told us of that change having been effected by what he calls eradicating an incubus (A laugh), or, in other words, expelling from the Cabinet the whole of those who thought and acted with the late Mr. Canning. My Lords, I cannot belie ve that such is the language, or that such are the feelings, of the Members of that Cabinet; indeed, I know that some of them have positively denied being actuated by any such feelings as those now expressed by the Noble Marquis. Ido not feel called upon to say more at present in answer to the Noble Marquis's- observation ; but -upon any future occasion I shall be ready to go more fully into the subject, should an opportunity of doing so be afforded. Lord SEA FORD—My LordS, • I do net wish needlessly to prolong this discussion, but I cannot allow this motion to pass without saying a few wards with. reference to my late 4ieht Hon. Friend, as well as to his family, in whose behalf this grant is proposed to be made. Truitingae I do to the great talents and eminent services of Mr. Can ning—taking into consideration the estimation in which he was held in the country, I cannot help thinking that the proposed grant is inadequate to its objects. There are, hpwever, circumstances by. which grants such as this are limited, but they are quite beside the feelings of indivi duals or of the country at lane, and form no criterion of th . emerite of the deceased. ,Howtiver, I may, in my own opinion. regret that the grant has not been regulated in the manner suggested by the Noble Lord (Dsere) behind me, instead of being a mere pension. Cro a single life; however, 1 may think that the former would be more suitable to Ai - mein - 0 - 4 of my Right Hon. Friend, and more worthy of an illustrious nation, still I am willing to grant it in the way troposed by the Noble Duke who introduced it, with a fairness, a candour, and a feeling of hon Our for which 1, as Mr. Cunning's frieid, feel bound to the; k him. The Noble Duke has put the question fairly beforeyour Lordships, as a tribute to the usemory!of an eminent Statesman, whose splendid talents had been de voted to the service of his country, while filling' the highest offices of the 'State. This grant, 'if it does not satisfy- the wishes, is at leastcalculated to justify the votes of Mr. Canning's warmest friends, and is at the same time calculated to disarm all political feeling, and shows the fairness of a political antagonist (Hear, hear.) Thepro position before us is one so clear, so simple in its nature, that it is not necessary to support it with much argument ; besides the appeal made to your Lordships is of so power ful a nature, that I do not feel able to add one word to it. There are, however, a few facts connected with Mr. Can ning's life, to which I wish shortly to call your Lordship's attention. Mr. Canning was early in life deprived of his legitimate inheritance -but he, by marriage, acquired far-• tune sufficient to support him in independence and respec tability in private life. That fortune was, however, con siderably impaired at his decease. This was done, not by carelessness or extravagance, for no man could be less ex travagant in his tastes or habits than he was. When out of office, his establishment was small, and was conducted with the greatest order and economy. But as a public man , he found that his salary did not supply the expence which he felt called upon to. incur. It has been well ob served by the Noble Duke, that the salaries of public men were by no means.adequate to the expenditure which they were called, upon to make. .So strongly was this felt, that it has been usual to give to Ministers some additional office. Mr.. Pitt, in-addition to being First Lord of the Treasury, and Chancellor of the-Exchequer, was Warden of the Cinque Ports. And yet Mr. Pitt, although a single man, and by no means an extravagant man, died in debt. . This. fact is ,always cited as a proof of the integrity and disinte resteedxnaeltssed s 'ot i t t h o a s t tio S o wtateshiinz' he and of of in the the x un Pen attendingtcie.y. d e ath of Mr. Pitt, Lord Liverpool became Warden of the Cinque Ports—a situation which the Noble Lord has held for the last tw en ty years. Lord Grenville foll owe d expence o 1 the the Mr. Pitt as First Lord of the Treasury, and had attached to his office the Auditorship of the Exchequer. This office was not held to be compatible with the other; but an Act was passed continuing to him the salary while in office. Mr. Percival succeeded Lord Grenville, and he had at tached to his office the Chancellorship of the Duchy of Lancaster. I shall not take up the time of your Lord ships by going through the long enumeration of similar cases', which I might cite in support of my argument, as I have already said enough to shew the general practice. Your Lordships should bear in mind that Mr. Canning held none of those additional appointments, of which his predecessors have bad the advantage, and the consequence was, that he was forced to incroaeh upon his private for tune in order to support the dignity of his offi ce . At length art opportunity of repairing that fortune presented itself; Mr.. Cunning was appointed to the Governorship of India, and, considering the way in which he had injured his private fortune, and the inroads he had been compelled to make upon it, it was natural that he, as a man of deli. cacy and honour, should be anxious to repair it. He, therefore, accerted the office with pleasure. Besides, there were other inducements which presented themselves to hi m , India presented hint with high station and great power; fame and fortune both awaited him ; be had the example of his predecessors, some of them in this House, who had returned with riches and with honour. But when these prospects- were about to be realised, an other event • took place, by which he was called upon to till a place of. higher honour and responsibility, but one which was calculated to. impair, instead of "d -ing to his fortune. • He had then the public i u tere:sts on the one hand , and his private advantage on t h e other t o decide upon; but after a moment's deliberatio n h e pr efer red L th o e n f l o s, riti i r is , q a u n i d te ga n v o e tu u r p ol ln th d a ia t " .. so nd ose forctumnpee'tegether. Aly nsatioa should be made to my Right Hon. Friend and hia family for this my Ri g ht Hon. Friend deprived him or sacrifice ; but there are sacrikes for which n high-minded had graciously settled a pension upon r. , ; alnalg, but he could not enjoy it until his retirement from o ffi ce. The man will accept of no compensation . Tr ue, c, his Majesty pension, and we are now called upon to bestow that compensation en one of Mr. hispr e a t f ! , t m e, leydoe of t t h h o e f Cunning's eons, which he himself would he entitled to if enjoyment of that alive. Parliament owes it to its own honour—it is due to the honour of the country not to refuse this grant. Sly Lords, I shall clog?, my observations with a remark upon an expression which fell from the Noble Marquis (the Mar quis of Londonderry), and in doing so I must preemne that he has found fault generally and hardly without an exception, with the political principle* and policy of Mr. Canning; so that I find considerable difficulty in adcd souring to reply to hith.. If I were to undertake throngh the whole political life and principles of 4 Canning; if I were to enter into a defence of his li t Treaty, I should occupy the time of your Lordslo l ,, much too great length ; I , shall, therefore, confide 1 ;1 self to the most brief outline Of wh a t h oe . been to o by the Noble Marquis. With respect .to, what :IA!, raid of the feelings of a personal nature enterttiot,i; Mr. Canning, I shall not do the memory of,My Honourable Friend the injustice of weakening, by sol, servations of mine, the able and e loqu en t defencel,j trounced in his behalf by my Noble F r i en d (E ar l Dtin i ;, near rue.—(Hear, hear !)—ln the conduct pursuedbi Canning, he had the confidence of his Sorereiggbk support of Parliament, and the co-operation of the per That confidence was not withdrawn during his lifa„ his loss is more fully felt and more generallyiregretteV o , day to day. To this I may add the esteem and'adunt l , with which his nam e h as b een p ronounce d b y sarroso nations.—(fiear.)—This praise is of the more raltte, l p the ruling principle of his life was the aggranclizeise ° l. this country. I cannot do better than read to yarn' ships a character of Mr. Canning given in.an,Arnetir, paper—a character which I think of mere importance;, it omes from a man writing under strong prejndits .o whose testimony is the less liable to suspicion. The pa lam about to read is attributed to Mr. President Add It is as follows : " With all our admiration of the mental powers of 3 4 11 , Canning, Whither as inherited from nature, or carne their highest pitch by the discipline of business and 51:, —whether we masked their efforts when brought to, most momentous trials, or only gazed at them when dazzled in lighter ones, truth compels us . to state, the t a was never the political friend of this country. HA Briton through and through---British in his feelingf-" - I tish in his nims--British in all his policy and prOjeets" made no dif&rence whether the leve r th a t was t o r aise" , was fixed at home or abroad, for he was always and British. The influence, the grandeur; the &pia Britain, were the dream of his boy..hood--to . cev w them'all over the globe, even in th e remo t e - reg i o n, if" vi . the Waters of Columbia fl o w in solitude, formed the ilat t , efforts of his riper years. For this he valued,power• - "' ' for this ha'used it." My Lords, the American writer has spoken the 0 0 , of my Right Hon. Friend. He was a Briton,throlte q through. To establish the dominion, and gloryotad pitieas, of his"country, was indeed the dream of his yoy,' and the Abject—.l may justly add, the successful OP c ,I A of his maturer years. To have succ ee d e d i n thus * oo ' o , the admiration of distant nations, I bold to be the ` ;4 of pletion of my Right Honourable Friend's triuniph , withstanding what lies fallen from th e N o bl e /Vlarqui' the other side. '• The Earl of MORLEY read a letter from,the late ,1 ; Canning, in which . he stated that be felt himself b° 6° :r sacrifice his private interest to his public duties. lie dially supported the motion. Earl GROSVENOR said, n whichthat the pensio • t" ' were now called upon to sanction, was one which, aught they knew, might last for the next .hall. eent * i t o He recollected that when the Act was paved, eioec° oo , were so obnoxious , that it was decid e d that the per''' allowed in lieu of them should not be grant e d, excePh!!' persons who hid been public servants for a conside r° Consolidated pe vi s ah diff e r ent Case.r ion i b o i dlboe.na. to have ot point enßhhoaau confessed tty t nFea t oou h tp fhn e pr r vidi s e evi ee;ag w rtttrv7bh a a. u s naeptttl n e shhoei property meiu p trmtl u i dhtiwyshaoibcg, sufficientservicegha tt he linmat lookedtl edlwein ut ot i aol naisteistbyp t i l eo : ou ioi e op w r t s y dignity of the title, unless at the time the Peerage °t granted, it was also recommended to g r a n t a properlw - 0 pension. If this were not the practice, what would f result ; but .that the newly-created Peers woald n ot dependent upon the Alinistry, who mi g ht c reate t" ? from improper motivea, to any extent they please 4 He should now coins to the question of the Peerage i e , diately before the House. With ref e r e n ce to this par s ';, lar case, be should, in a constitutional point of views P od fer voting for an adequate provision for the suppkirt oL o i, 'title, rather than'vote for se inadequate a sum 418 a-year. This principle' was observed when the car was conferred upon' Lord Nelson, although, in his fapi o o , the sum voted Oa that occasion was very disproporti/' to the nature of the case. The same principle was fol low° in all the elevations to the different ranks of the AFT conferred upon' she Noble soil Gall,m puke opposi te. House voted the Noble Doke a large sum for the suppor t the dignity of the Peerage conferred on him, and he (L : l i , Grosvenor), although he diff ere d fr om Ministers respe"h; the Spanish war, was th e fi rs t t o suggest t he vote . had been told that Mr. Canning's private fortune ha s paireiir but the grant ought to be made solety'uP" P a r lie grouncis, and he Mt that' Mr. Canning's great ~tal e"„ l,' had been devoted to the'service of the country. lie i p however, have preferred the vote, had it been pv4 l °' the meaner suggested - by the Noble Lord opposite. li The Duke of WELLINGTON said, what the Earl had advanced respecting the principlenf provisi° ° certain cases of raising individuals to the Peerage, W r t o be found extremely objectionable, and was a princiP febe which the House of Commons would never assent. c ; effect of what the Noble Earl had advanced was, I ° , 1: 8 1 to the Crown the power of granting pension s beyond g o ld it now possessed. No measure could be lotted which W o , give greater offence, Occasion more practical inconre,,,a i ld or create greater and more general dissatisfaction.. P__ A e f o r already stated distinctly the grounds on which he . s. 9s `",ke their Lordships' support of the Bill. He wished to w ale but one observation upon what bad fallen from hi 9 :l l o fr Friend at the commencement of the discussion. P e e r jetted to the vote, because the grant would be take° Ibie from other grants provided for by the Act. But 11' 0 Friend had argued the point as if the family. of the ‘ l O l3 had a positive right to the pension; but his MajeitP 9 i o o the contrary, had a right to grant or withhold the P1,,,,, ( 1 under the'Act in question. Air. Canning not having ' 4 ' vo l three years, in pursuing the present course the Crow? deprived itself of part of the prerogative granted to ' t the Act of Parliament. The pension had been cooferri,, on the younger son, as the elder one was in the Il be and was therefore considered of not F safe a life. ,4 grant to the younger son w as th ere f ore more a d v antag e° to the family. The Bill was then read a second time. CATHOLIC EMANCIPATION. sadbur, Lord HOLLAND presente d a pet i t i on f rom signed by th e A rc hd eacon an d ot h er Clergymsn, I ' l 0 ,11 ; by the resp ec t a bl e P ro t es t an t i n h a bi tants , praying tha,i;tie House would b e pl ease d t o remove th e ex i s ti ng disiltw n ' t ed from the Roman Catholics. His Lordship then pre - J a similar petition from the'Roinan Catholic inhabitao, the same town. At Se i v v en he o n 'ct e k trhieouHseeuhseadadajod adjourned, Mr. M m o r n . daj oar :S e , t ; the Deputy Usher of the Bliak Rod, came forwtir . ..°;ol addressed the Reporters, Stating, that the 11 °"tlie Monday night would probably be much crowded belo p liC bar, by persons anxious to hear the debate on the 011 :4fe Question, he must prohibit any newspaper's havid ;eh than one Repoi ter in the House at a tittle ; and tbo if ee Reporter must quit the House before the Gentle . 38 e,1 relieved him could be allowed to enter. It was suggligi m 'i „;:easee rrang , e d En es en tr t oy w th ou e l se d n u se f S il P e Ti o ar ecill in reply, that su i c n h isf; create frequent and great gape in the report of every or and these would, sisteticy of, perhaps, most important picaegea, ieclo the effect of the whole debate. Quarme ier. of that, strictly speaking, it Was his duty to preven t notes whatever being taken in the 'House. o ..„,,i' e t ioe the Reporters here observed, that the accoune°, o ly afforded to the Press was for the instruction of 0 4 ...,c0ce lie at large, and for the gratification and coare": l bP of the Members themselves ; and, perhaPs, it vr°"'',. better either to exclude the Reporters altogether , °.„" bie afford them that decent accommodation which would e7,„ 4 1 o m y placed r i a g e : " in e w e i ttti them' Mr. dense IfnloseArec, crowdrs c y Utlar t a r nite p ei precision , rsatonhn persons, House, must be aware of the utter impossibility of r e r i yat n ,uew: arduous h v e: nroyswhose the l 'ite duties ne anxietyp Report what was uttering at such a distance occasioned r i t P ek e tual jostling, and every other species of inconveoie6o Such difficulties almost destroyed in the Reporter en,Y w r e of re s p ons ibili ty f or w h at b e publishvd. It was fins 1 0 , quested that, at least for the night in question, the ge t men of the Press might be accommodated wit h the g. railed in at the extreme right of the Bar. Mr, Q 0 , 4011 answered that such am indulgence could he panted o °'Yd the IlOuse itself; ha which 9,lir 'Reporter rejoined , dr Lord Eldon, when Lord Chancellor, in anxiety 0, 11 . 0 v last debata on the Catholic Question should be 41e 0 0,,,i, st reported, had granted the accommodation noW reitt, e oo o , without any solicitation whatever on the part of the r No reply was made to this, and the conversation her e initiated. ' HOUSE OF COMMONS, JUNE Mr. MUNDAY presented petition from Ashfo ' r us ,. the county of Derby, for'the r abolition.of 'slayery. MARYLEBONE VESTRY. f f , Sir THOMAS BARING p resen t e d a' petitioo o de r 500 inhabitants of Marylebone, holding teneimento e /Y the Duke of Portland in faciiir ofthe Maryjebone Bill. VY' Sir T. BARING brought up de report en o lebone Festr) ,be read a sec Mr. AST a niPadrneat, made out Spa ' traduced; it at kind*. o f , and confiden hest establish w hen.there ss noW are. T ()vet come esu porti on of th tr ile, i a favo `tined it were •Sir T. BA r natie by the t}te Fommitte. bet's of the se b ody. He sip urse of twee la the course (143 , and a year, they ejected to th litved that an parture from t tking but an Hon. Membe that the inlaat at all events 4 `tsl. was cha Port, and ahei ' were carried t heir bonds at mate' ; and win to pull it were all prove there were f urnishing at f ur velvet ; tw t he communic 'tat, ; and 21 ! T °Pe himself 't necessary fi that the &lee gtoes malvem debt of 2274 • iud this, .wit' 'inflator:ice ma ll 'arkted a pieta to Mr. This th ey had the g [ NI no light %1 this pictut 141 1ity they had 2 0 . t object to t o l.tt they shot] )sets of men .10 ble Lord at t innal Debt wt] d lineed the Hon pariah of leveral appeale "Nur alteration 7 , plipd to hav taitry. This ittd ▪ no coursi , 4 " 148 P. He h Beat a , M. ROSS otoserved, 4 1 01 been, greatl than had beet 414 e was only rba Perambuts tt Y foolish ; 1 444:1 the preset I liad manner. *lough there i eve scrente, - ! 4r th e a than a word of sear attended, Mould have 131 att...w.k411 all veo Mr. HOBI kid, that the! the irestrvrnen, 4 2% a Comm' wing of a iittors,,,:: : :° :v .t":a-‘ ,.4e : : :::isetizar Li tt r attieret ill t4 tryiopi lk : " Enit} p y:xi d iael y: : i t t i e e l i a ,i:br all d siivino r y tDl' ie e ? l fe l x ot ia: li u hi he7 tsr e A d k tia e lie f t 'e eh: ll ti e e dhenal hN eeip gi lo i v i i it C l4 ljl ,, H I d called ups " 41 Annse) cam ' 4m ge nerally. ia „„ s „ 1171 .`l 4 .aditure of The tic t :e said, that IL P • the Report, 1 1 : evidence ; 4 " very peva( ', 13 , Pie, who ha 11 , 4 totally t tout able Mel u() Were on tb i'l t nPrornise. 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