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hceol !rtting them to wort io their j , •—rase of ncom e . He (Mr. W.) 'ication of the London Clevgy e 1 hat the situation of the _,.,antra he taken intd consideration.— .., then real, laid on the table, and ordered c ~ : t ( 'l' , i nt0 , 1 1 ,1 ho printed. NI r. Alitt-ratan WAPITI - MAN then presented a Petition rtgainst the saute olu the Pa rish of St. Matthew, Bride wen, and ~oe from the Wald of Farringdon Without, pray ing. for au alteration in the Coal Duty.—Laid on the table. BA NSTAPLE ELECTION'. Mr. OMMANNEY presented a Petition from the Electors of. the Bormigil of liarostaple, praying that it mizht not be disfranchised —Read and 1,4;d op the table, after a few words Irmo Mr. BENNET. Lord CITIVE postponed the further crmsideratiori of the Report on toe Barnstaple Election to Friday next. He then to that Mr. Speaker do not i,kne iris warrant for the election of a burgess fur the said borough before next Friday. Agreed to. Mr. OMMANNEY then presented two other Petitions from the hurt:nigh of Barnstaple—one against the renewal of the luso;rent Debtors' :let, and the other against any alteration in the Coal Duty.—Lkid im the table. Lad CLIVE presented a Petition from the County of Salop, tlgainst any alteration in the Coed Put y.- 7 -Laid on the table. Mr. MAluvaLy pestpoireJ, to an indefinite period, his niotioo for a Copy of the Correspondence between the (Than cellor.of the Exchequer and the hank of England respecting balances of public money. Mr. I,CsaIN(I'ON brought up certain Papers freirn the Exdovier, which were ordered to lie on the table, slid to be printed. Mr. MCAT:DO presented a Petition from the Town of Miaehin Hampton, in the county of Gloucester, against the insolvent Deloors' Act.—be let red the Committee. SE• I•LEMENT OF THE POOR. Mr. S. BniIRNL brought in the Poor's Settlement Amend ment !tit ..—;:e,td a first ti me, and ordered to be read a Second tit u: next. %'ott,at, and to he printed. Mr. ChM:N:I , E Lt. presented a Petition front the Parish of St. Ann's, iil tckfriars, agaii:A the Loudon Clergy Bill.- 7 Laid WI the tattle. Lott' G. ('AVENDISII presented a Petition front Chester field, in the Couch• of I)erhy., ptaying - for the revisio❑ of the Criminal ( tenet] to tin• Committee. Mr. liAltiNG presented a Petition from Tanntan to the saute effect, which was referred to the same 0)111 alit tee. FOREIGN SEEDS. Mr. WESTERN moved — fur an Acecunt of the quantity of Seeds of all sorts inivq . ted into Great Britain since TRIO, with the amount, of the doty paid open them,—distinguishing the di ff,remmt seals, the count! leS Irmo whence imporftil.:lnd those that calm. from► Ireland front those brought from other COMl tEivs.—Agred tem. The Reliort of the Quarter Sessions Division Bill was rec,ived, and the Bill ordered for a third reading next Thursday. GENERAL GOt - RG ALM. Mr. LAMBTON gave ',Juice that he should not delay be yond 'text Friday presenting the Petition of General Gour gaud. MR, WYNI)UAM QUIN. On Sir ROBERT WILSON'S Motion, the Order of the Day fur caking into consideration tire Matter of the Complanui against Mr. Wyndlatet Quin was read. lie then moved, that the said Matter of Complaint he now taken into consideration. IVYNDHANI QUIN rose, hat from emotion was for sonic time ree,tdible in the Gallery. When lie could be Incited, he was understood to state, that when he had last addressed the House, he had confined himself to the matter of the petition of which he held a copy, and had declared that tt'e charges of eoiroption brought against him were not founded in tact, and that he was not guilty of the practices laid to his account. He had hero accused of breaking op the emoluments of the office of Clerk of the Peace, in order to distribute them .autong persons whose influence wuuld - he at his command It was true that be Ina , l an; one charge upon that office. It was but one, anal was for the benefit of young Grady him selt...--.lt was, therefore, hard that that particular charge should he brought against him as a crime by the very person for whom it was intended. it hat: not even originated with himself. It had been suggested to bins by others, and he had adopted the suggestion tvirlt pleasure, because he 'wished well to yoking Grady. When lie had proposed the 2001. a-year to Mr. 'l'. W. Grady, however, it was without any stipulation whatever, or any contract for his political support. It was solely out of regard to him, and not in conse quence of any claim founded on auy pro- raises which he had given. lie was aware that an altegett promise formed no part of the charge against hint ; but as it had been made to appear that it be had not made a promise, he bad said something so near it as to lead Mr. T.W. Grady astray with respect to his intentions, be trusted Cie House would allow him to say a few words on the subject.—(hear I)—He had never, never intended to lead young Mr. Grady astray. He bad never said any thing which could bear that interpretation. He knew that when parts of sen tences were brought together they might be made to express what had never been intended, Even Mr. Grady, sen. had attempted to put on him a statement of a conversation which bad taken place between them the day before, which was entirely incorrect. A letter which he. bad written to Mr. Grady on that occasion would show that he had never endeavoured to mislead either of those Gentlemen. It was in answer to MC from Mr. Grady, who stated, that he had suddenly been called from Dublin or Liverpool. Ile then read a letter, in which, after stating that the pretended recapitulation of their previous con versation was incorrect, lie added, " if you un derstood that what I said amounted to a promise of not disturbing your son, you are utterly mis taken. I never made your son any promise to *rive him office or not to remove him. On the contrary, I told him that I might be obliged to remove him, and 1 hav'e iofterieed Mr. R. Smith, that it I have the power I will appoint, : him Clerk of tie Peace. This I shall certainly do." Whatever the [louse might think of him on other subjects, be .should feel still more burt anti galled at the idea that lie had led any one astray. Mr. T. W. Grady had never discharged the du ties of the office. He (Mit. Q.) had appointed oae.who would, and did discharge them, and who, therefore, now kept the situation. The proposal Lad been communica:ed to youme Grady without any reservation whatever. At first he had not seemed inclined to accept it, but afterwards two Gentleitnen had called on him (Mr. Quin) and dis cussed the subject in such a manner as to leave him with an impression that it was agreed to by all purties. It was tutelar such an impression that he had quitted . the country. This was in the month of July, and as they bad stated that yon ag Grady conceived that he could not be rennovrd, and would be much embarrassed if the removal took place immediately, against his expectations, he (Mr. Quin) had postponed it, and. Suffered too months to elapse without making out tine new appointment. In September he had re- ceived a letter from Mr. Carew Smith, entreating Ono lie would call on him, as he (Mr. C.) en tertained en expectation that be could show that he (Mr. Quin) could not remove Mr. T. W. Grady. The answer sent to this letter was, that he (Mr. Quin) should be happy to see Mr. C. Smith, hot that be .should immediately appoint Mr. Richard Smith to the office of (.4erk of the Peace.. ,it. Carew . Smille had called on the 21st September, and after ell had been discussed dis tinctly, had said something about political support. He (Mr. Quin) had then stated that he hoped and expected Mr. Greily would continue to give bitn his support. lie would, perhaps, have beet► a more .prudent man had he never enter taitted or expressed such a hope ; but he had ne ver thotieht of making it a condition ; neither had he conceived that toe petitioner or any (ohm could possibly take it in that point of view. Had his motives been corrupt he would have gone very differently to .w- k. That, however, had laid the foundation for all the misrepresentations which had since been eireula'ed. For it had been assumed by the petititeler, that be had stipulated for his political support, though he (Mr. Q.) had repeatedly informed him that that was not the case. He (Mr. Q.) had been threatened with hostile treatment, and with lempoons and insults, which were to be showered upon him by Mr. Grady's father. Under such circumstances, could he (Mr. Q.) he considered as entirely a free agent He begged of the House to turn its attention to the Kitt insic nature of the evidence, and it would see bow impossible it was that lie should dream of stipulating for support from Mr. Grady, for Mr. Grady had scarcely any to give. He held nofee simple ; his freeholders were registered on four farms, each of which was held ender a different landlord, and on the life of an aged individual. One Was his own property (Mr. Qain's).— If lie bad divided the office in order to increase his influence, he would have bestowed the 2001. a year on some indivicluel tvhose interest would not have been so likely to melt away is a very few years. Neither won'd he have so stipulated, when he alone held the power which could make such a stipulation effective. Mr. C. Smith lied asked leave to take minutes of the conversation that passed between them.. He had done so, and the next day In (Mr. Q.) had received and re turned them, telling iMr. C. Sniio - : -iat he wish ed for no such compact. li e bad kept no c. spy of those minutes, and had refused to sign them. He had gone to the country a few days a it ch when the Petitioner had called on him. He then (Mr. Q ) had repeated in presence of Mr. Roche, whose evidence pl.\ e d the fact, that he did not want to stipulate. for any political support, and had refused to hold further conversation. Mr. C. Smith hail come doWn subsequently, and a re port hail pieceded him, stating that he • was bringing an hostile message. He regretted the prevalence of stitch a report, and still more so that Mr. Smith bad not sent a person to him to state how he understood what had passed between them, as to such a person he would have no ob jection to explain every misunderstanding which might have taken place. He then contended, that in cenversieg with the friends and advisers . of Mr. T. \V. Grady, it was their object, and not his, to obtain of stipulation. They wished to gain from him a_ pledge that he n ever would, on any occasion, take the two hundred pounds a-year from Mr. Gtady, junior. This he at first refused, and the House had seen enough of that Gentleman's conduct_ to think him justified in pausing before be put himself in the power of so vindictive a n►an. lu tact, the question had never been reduced to the narrow limits of one of votes, until it bad been done by Mr. Gabbett, who urged t hat though he (Mr. Q ) said, that young Grady might vote as he pleased, yet.a different construction might after wards be given to the affair. It was then that he (Mr. Q.) had consented to bind himself not to deprive Mr,. T. W. Grady of the 2001. a-year, whatever vote he might give. When be had thus completely shown to the world that he left the petitioner entirely free, it was hard that he should be charged with having acted corruptly. It hail been alleged that the implied political support formed the chief, if not the sole, obstacle to the arrangement ; but when that question bad been set at rest, what motives could induce Mr. G. jun. to refuse it i The House were aware of the threat of the petitioner's father, that if he were not bought off by the restoration of his son to office, be would bring the subject before Parlia ment, and had been encouraged to do so by a large body. of the Opposition. lie (Mr. Q ) only de spised such a threat, which was rendeted ten times more contemptible by the calumnious insis nuation which it conveyed. He should not say that his defying Mr. Grady to bring on his charges was a proof of l►is innocence, Ina surely it was at least a strong presumption in his favour. For if be had not telt conscious of innocence,' would he have brought himself before the House, where lie must be convicted if guilty, whilst he had the. power of complying with Mee Grady's demand, and restoring.his sou had not done it, be cause he felt himself inneeetit, He had disdained the. ignominious safety offered him, and had pre ferred throwing hi►atself upon the judgment of the House.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—He should now only repeat, that he did not feel himself guilty of the charges of corruption brought against him. If it appeared to the House that he had done - something wrong, let it be deemed an error of judgment, fur be had not wilfully intended to act improperly. Some might think that it was unjust to put any charge on the of ; be only begged of them to recollect in what situation he had been placed. Having offered these explanations be would leave the case to the fair consideration, and to the candid and impartial judgment of the House, and would say no more.—[The Honour able Member was loudly cheered at the close of his speech. He then bowed to the Speaker, and .to both sides of the House, and retired.' Sir R. WILSON hoped that the favour which had been shown •when he first brought this subject forward, and which had been cpnti nued through the whole of the examinations which hail followed, would not now be with drawn front him when be was about to enter . upon the last most painful and most difficUlt part of his task. In doing tt►is he disclaimed- all litical animosity towards the Hon. Member whose case was before the blouse, and if to have no vin dictive feelings to gratify, no personal comidera tions to influence his conduct, could entitle a per son placed in his situation to say his motives were honest—sash he had a right to say were his.— Hitherto he had appeared as the advocate for the petitioner, but now it was his painful duty to stand forward aS the . public accuser, responsible for the opinions he might express, and the infer ences which he might feel warranted in drawing from the evidence which had been given at their Bar. As in the inquiry which had taken place he had only sought to arrive at the truth, so in the present stage of the business he trusted,as n the House would see, that in semming up it , his object to disguise the facts, or in any way to mislead the judgment of those who were now to decide on this important questiou.— The Honourable Member who was the subject of the charge which he had to prefer, had with drawn. to await their decision. That he should do so wish? be perfectly proper, and sinee he was no longer eresept it would he his care to com ment on no part of the evidence to which he had not already had an opportunity of giving a reply. The charge preferred against the Hon. Member (Mr. W. Quin) went to impute to him that he hail been engaged in making a corrupt bargain, in order to secure the influence of the Petitioner at the ensuing election, thereby taking a course inconsistent with his duty as Cttstos Rotutortaa, in breach of the privileges of that House, and in violation of the statute law of the land. He should, in what,he had to say, confine himself to the evidence immediately beating on the act charged against the lion. Member for though justice required that he should not shrink from the performance of his duty to spare individual feelings, it did not require that he should inflict an unnecessary wound. He then proceeded to state the case, such as it had been detailed by the Petitioner, and such as it has been repeatedly tsiven to the Public in THE SUN. From this it appeared, that the Petitioner, after holding the situation of Clerk of the Pease for fifteen years, had been dismissed from it in 1818 by Mr. W. (Ilia, the office being then given to a Mr. Richard Smith ; but it was proposed by the former that 2001. per annum should he deducted from its emo luments, and paid to Mr. Grady, on condition that he should support Mr. Quin with his interest in the County. This offer was rejected by the Petitioner. He next went over the evidence of Mr. Carew Smith, which corroborated the state ment .of .the Petitioner with respect to the offer made by Mr. W. Quin, and she rejection of it by Mr. Grady, He particularly dwelt on that part of the evidence which set forth a conversation between Mr. C. Smith and Mr. \V. Quin, on this subject, which had been reduced to writing by the former, which minute, with some little al teration, had been approved as correct by the latter. A letter addressed to Mr. Gould, stating it to be necessary that some provision should he made for the continuance of Mr. Grady's annuity, in the event of Mr. Quin's decease, the Hon. Member commented on as one that, from the language it contained, could not have been ad ' dressed to the party it was addressed to, without canine- forth a refutation of the serious and cri minal charge there implied, had the party been guiltless. of the imputed intention. The postscript of the letter, in which Mr. Grady, sen, threat ened to make the conduct of the lion. Gentleman the subject of Parliamentary inquiry, which he bad the " means of doing through Sir Robert Wilson," required some explanation. Though, • as he (Sir Robert Wilson) had stated on a for mer occasion, he knew nothing of the parties, or of the petition, till a few days before the latter was put into his hands to present to that House, yet, from the Petitioner being connected with persons who were their common friends, he/ might be justified in supposing that he (Sir It. Wilson) would bring the subject forward. The conduct of Mr. C. Smith, 'Whilst under examina , tion, he described to have been in every respect most praiseworthy; Though severely cross-exa mined, he bad steadily maintained 'all he had ad vanced. No one had beep able to shake biro 'in the slightest degree. He seemed to stand on the rock of truth, and every effort to move him had served but to fix him more securely there. H,e owed it to himself to say, that be could not ap prove of the advice which Mr., C. Smith bad thought 'himself justified in giving, but he . was aware that there were many circum stances to be urged in extenuation of his conduct. Ile next proceeded to notice the evidence given by Mr. Goold. Considering it es sential to the ends of justice that all persons shritild be beard at the Bar of Pleat house who could throW any light on the transaction which was the subject of - the.present charge ; anti con sidering that it was unfair that the lion. Gentle man .should be deprived of the benefit of the tes timony of Mr. Gould, he had caused him to - be summoned as one of the witnesses on the part of the petitioner. That Gentleman, however, when befeaie the House, was so much agitated in his mind, and its consequence, as it should seem, was mitortonately ,visited with such a total failure of his recollection, and had not only forgotten what did occur, but had appeared to remeinber what had never . happened. Ha had, however, not been - able to recollect being present at a conver sation in which the condition attached by Mr. Quin to the proposed grant had been made a sine qtu; non. After giving the subject the utmost attention, be was of opinion that that Gentleman's evidence ought to be erased and excluded altoge ther from the consideration of this case. He would afiirm that he had a right to require that evidence should be rejected, which, by hie own confession, and by the statements of others, had been proved to be so erroneous and so unfounded. He briefly summed up the evidence given by the witnesses who had followed Mr. Goold. To him (Sir R. Wilson) it appeared from all the evidence, that till the 10th October, Mr. Quin bad never tuna fide released Mr. Grady front the condition which he had first annexed to the proposed annuity. .Whether or not he did it then, might be'a matter of doubt ; but as it was a matter of doubt, he was disposed to give it in favour of the Hon. Gentleman. lle,wished he could avoid that con clusion to which regard for the honour of the House, the interests of the community, and the - claims of justice obliged him to come, namely, that the conduct of the Hon. Gentleman bad been inconsistent with his duty as Cll4los Rotulorunt, in II violation of freedom of election, and a breach of the privileges of that lloose. It was not for him to point out the steps which the House ought to take to vindicate its character. in a case like the I:lreeastelnit His sis e i f 't not go so far as he ought to go , a nd he trusted p i e t ri s c h n o c t e ild w b o e ul t d h , ou le ht h b o e p e d t i l a , it would not appear that be shrunk f rom the per formance of his duty, however poioful that duty might be. Ile concluded by moving the follow'. ink; Resolutions : " That it appears to this House that the Hon. W . . W. Quill was, in July 1815, appointed Custos Rotulorum of the county, of Limerick by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, by virtue Of which be was e nriowereil to appoint the Clerk of the Peace , for the said County , .7,At some time in the month of September, the said W. Ci n i n a ppointed Richard Smith to lie Clerk of the Peace" in the ROOtil of T. W. Grady, who was rem oved b y him fro the said office. " That the said W. W. Quin did stip ulate w i t h s aid Smith that out of the emoluments arisin g f rom the o ffice or Clerk of the Peace, amounting in the 'whole to 4001. P...,er annum, the yearly sum of '2OOl. - should be paid to the said W. Grady." Several. Resolutions sneceeded, which !W el / went to declare the other facts of th e case al alleged against the Honourable Mem ber, and closed as follows : tee ..That it appears to this House that the cond uct t° :—of said W. W. Quin was inconsistent with his dut y as Cos R u b otulorm of the Comity, in violation of the right of F r o f this; ( on of Election,' and a breach of the privilege' House." Mr. B. W T ILBRAHAM applauded the m anner b ra ject forward, but differed from him , in t IV rie which the Hon. Gentleman had brought 4 welch he took of the evidence, and more t g : to the Resolutions which he had•sebm it l e( , ° t he House. He tV RS perfectly wine nainte" 10 I°Tl' Hon. Member who was the subject g of the 1 ".., 3 and his sole reason ;or standing forwa rd 1: anxious wish thy' the House, in i , s desire 10 ( bv right, and correct abuses, should not do wr nu g ri indiscretion with too much seve—ft(; Some Gentlemen were inclined to believe Hon. Member (Mr. Quin) the victiel of a en hs ' - ; racy, but this was not his oeission. He ha d c h confidence in the honour of Mr. Carew e' t h'i t a ; that he could lost believe that that Gen t 'r n ee their r ld have lent himself to the views. th ' er ctf Grady p s r , oc i e f e s d7, c lg li s. ha i ,l o r r e :,‘ a i ll r y . been the e haract- Guold he would tivY a little. it should he remembered that he i r' 44 a ,... man of great abilities and high honou r. " I g t - t ee peered that he had been twenty-eight re :: t he Irish Bar, and if he mistook not, 13 c Yea rs t ce a r head of the Munster Circuits. The lo t h ' j ' e i j be stance proved the high estimation iitseer had beets held; and it was bard that the el;ara-ge.... of such a man should be blasted beet ose his 1 mory had failed bine on a point, which, arEe d r r ite Was not one of great importance. fie ' 6°e s od different situations in which t h a t Gentle:tai tter Mr. C. Smith stood to be considered. was the near relation of the Petitioner, 91100 for his success, and likely to attend t° all might forward his views, and to r ern , eli d i cis er of The former, who was only the. leg",3-.,-tv its' one of the parties,. might not be 5° etn." n 5 pressed with the circumstances which ri°" )(het selves in the memory of Mr. C. Smith) ~-eee Gentleman had been. On reading t h e evtue"" without any bi as either way, .as he & he had We' be felt much confused. There was not enough (.: acquit on the one hand, nor to convict on t other. 1:1 cases where a doubt exis tr , that doubt - was given in favour of the accoseui He would only ask for Mr. Quin, that be sbc' dl o not be dealt with more harshly there than he W° t/ Ne be aqy where else, and he hoped the House w‘rit, pause before they cane to a decision, so figt% r e its consequences, that it would not 00 1 Y 1 ' 9 ,0 hien here, but would sink him' below his Pr c4 iste el level in society. A difference of opinion e% wa s as to whether the office of Cusios Rotu/oronl • h vett one prohibited by law from interteri n g se or elections. lie knew not whether it Is' s , ;Ile. nor. The case was one of difficulty; but t '; I , lee solutions he hod presently to propo se fe '3.;°uss.(i3hed hoped, meet the views of all pariiee• its the it to be observed, that of eetieu present instance to punish time they would punish him, not for au act but for an act intended to be cosurnit te ,, ( ; here between the t , ;vo cases h e must relu"'il actin seas a very material difference. He w°"`t.,,A-,, that - there might be, for about a fortnight', weft tendon on his - part - to do that of whi ch e :e Ile bar ' gain with !sins (he l l o{ he m i g ht be vit it say this), hut for this it would be hard him with the severe displeasure of the 11()t : 1° 6 t i c ot He could wish to move after the third Itc s° " " ',that the following be adopted : li r • " That in the month of Jul 1818 it appeared t hat 0 00 Quin did offer to T. W. Grady y' an • vof 2001. out of d, emoluments of time ofiice of Clerk rairtnhue Peace for the (O P " of Limerick, without declaring that he should rqecit n or do e ' o rt. the " id T. W. Grady any political stip )ort,' tt pear that his motive was to secure s uch political soilv. CV I, I ;, " That in the month of Sept. 3 . i 8 the said W ht by did admit to Mr. C. Smith, in an i?ltervielv sot i g","d "f•: latter, that he expected time support ' of the ~6; tinny 0014 . (b G cdi I:lepritnn 16 1 , : : : (11 : s l if e toj i tc •c oei i co n sid e ration j: n t d e oit f t n O en- - • a eD ,u th! t v e e n i l u ' fr'; tehisctHspoeuesivriilmiisti highly p e r o o t i r , s e i r d , e a r , 01 ,1 1 as , etre. ommit severed in, instead of being disclaimed, w ould," tila t its severest censure," The SPEAKER said, the H ous e must be r' w4 "., the- • to fu ll°" 0 -- e these Resolutions, as they were third Resolution, could not be pot Jis first Resolutions bad been in s° llle "Y posed of. A to vot e Mr. P. DOUGLAS felt himself compelle.' for the Resolutions of his gallant Frieuil neart f i r e The House could not but -remember tha,earbe charge, in tlse first instance, bad beets inoet,clGerve and unequivocally denied by the Honottr ble a f t er dem "; but they must bear in mind, tha t , ct e% the enquiry which had taken place, the ehn li t heir of other persons windd now be affected by e ra' decision, who had as great a claim , 0 t h e ir .l e av6 tection as . the Honourabl'e Member eoultiot ev il He had never heard stronger evidence, r dence better corroborated, than that ef A'! e r ' r ieg till the rew Smith. For that of Mr. Goold, cousluear, his - situation. in Ireland, - and at the Irish m i lli he should think and speak of it dilf e : r ieti ce from what he should if the same e c i ( i bis, had come from another person. SaYing he must add, that his want of recolleeti°"'va his misreeollection, made his evidence of n° t ' P t rue; t especially wissn opposed as i t sees 4oto. ece of a men like Mr. e" II *Ve U It 8 111 11;1 Cni 11) 41