The Sun. — London, England, 1819-05-04 00:00:00

it ' de Friend might say, that another A c t of in demnity won'd he passed before a final jodgnieot could be obtained o n t h e . fCtiOlr ; b u t t h r s might not ttlways be tie case . in England, while in Ireland it could seldom happen, ter there judgment might be obtiit►ed in tl►r vext Term. lie remarked, that although, the (1 - h of Charles ►night give six months itt or d!tiary cases, to take the oath or office, yet with re•pect to A Member of PArliament, not six mi nutes •ere allnwed for reflection. The best an swer, however, that could he given to the speech of his Il.'n Friend was, that so numereos an as vembly was then engaged in discussing this im prt,tant question,. nut with more than pr.•tession,al mci,mcn, but on the brood gtotinds of policy.— 'Fri., he believed, arose .from the effects of tilt: Penal Code. Ile then .stated that Peri:ion., ,igned by several rhousAtul 'l).orestants, from the I'rot:•stant counties of MonagliAll, FonittnAgh. Caran, Antrim!, Rod rollers, had been presented, and many others might have been prepared, hut fret the nnwillineness of the gentlemen of those comities to r xcitt the feelingt of the people objected to the Cointnittee for a third reason, founded on the feeliogs of the [to; ► man Catholics themsc•ives. All the Petition• presented from that body were stinlioosly silent on the subject of safegnards. On this point the House had had an instructive le-,sou from the conduct of the Catholics with tegard to the Bill brought in in 1813. That Hill had been prepared by the shiest men on either side of the House, and had incorporated every se cority that toms be devised ; but the greater tie talents and the integrity displayed on that oceagion, the snore manifest the difficulty of fnCh an arrangement as would please ell parties, The Bill, in fact. s atisfied unite but the framers of it. lie teeeer s ate a Penteatarit who approved of it ; and how did the Catholics -rceive it 'When the measure teas k o ver, - inin Trf 14od, Mectini!.o were be!;-1 in every (varlet• of ti,c island, the Bill was universally declared to he r penal law, and the Catholics expressed their determination that they woold prefer their present vale. The Clergy in particular, convened io re gular Synod, totanimonsly declared that they could not acriniesce in that Bill " without ineurritte the g uilt of schism, and that, with the blessing of God. they would sootier lay &vein their lives than sobtut to it:* Stich were their very winds. What a state would the Legislattoe he in, it having granted every thing they could to the laity, 'hey ',vete then to approach the Clergy and have their offer rejected ? Why then should the llotise now go into a Committee with the ;nib) hope of having something proposed in it, which would no (fordo be equally illusory with their former exertions, and no less mock the '(topes of those who might b e . spored tit niece any confidence in legislative ar ratigements. The only security, he said, that could be wished, was something in the nature of a plan that ,could testier the actt ve co-operation of the Roman C...tholic Clergy ; hitt the Veto would not do so. Ile .would not wish, be said, to create a slavish-dependance of the Roman• Catholic Church on the State ; he would wish that the Roman Ca tholic Clergy were indepe n dent hitt it watt, he said, hopelesa to repeat, that when the ,notion of Veto was mentioned, they expressed msckes on it in terms of abotoinatioti.• Pity looked own, that meteor , as an enslavenaeot of their Chore). The Right !lon. Gentleman, be said, had stated, that it was 40 years since the rigours of the Penal Code were first abated its Ireland. From that pe riod to 1793,thinga remained in the sante sitoatioti. The Catholics then obtained the Elective Pratt , chise, the power of serving ors Grand Juries, and other privileges. It was then stated by the Ca tholics, that these privileges worthd satisfy them, and yet they afterwards pressed forward fresh claims. The Catholics now look fur eligibility; the next step would be concession It had been auld, that not one-sixth part of the Parlinmeut would be composed of Catholics. But it would oust be one-sixth—it would soon, as to the Irish Members, amount to three-fourths. lle oppo•eii the presetir motion, therefore, because the Ml' a sure contemplated would bring the Church Esta blishment into danger. - The-Cboreli of Em gland, he considered, as connected with their civil free dom—he wished, therefore, to preserve it—he coosideied it the tenure: of Ireland. CnomEß explained. lie had giren lsis rf-asems only as an inducement to go into theiit- • quirt'. He wished nut to deceive the ilotise, but he might be deceived himself. However, he - thought he had stated nothing but tacts with re spect to the Statutes of which the Catholics could avail thruiselves. And what would he the situa tion of the Protetatits thcm6Clyes, who had not talien the oaths, if they were not protected by the Bill of Indemnity ? Lord NonmB,xive, if he had entertained any doubt on the merits of the question, would have 114 d them .removed by the able speech of the noitrable Secretary at the Admit alt y. But he telt, that i advocating the cause of the Catholics, he w a s twrintairing those principles of justice and moderation which formed the hest ornament and bulwark of that Constitution which they wete charged with au intention to destroy. Mr BaowNLow rose, because he thought fur tl.cr concession wolthi he dangerous to the Con stitution. Ile could perceive no change in the Catholic anti contended that the Catho lic Cliqrch of Ireland had not rtes v i u divat e d its independence trom the •See of Rouse to the unitte cicent as that of any other European country. Mr. W. Wittx*o - & IlecnEtt should not only vote forols motion, but Would' declare, in the since rity of hisleart, that he conceived no queitiOn had ever heels brought beloi - e the Mow With w,ich the prosperity of the country Was mote in timately connected than the present. Sir R. Wit.soti stated that it had beets wronely repttiented that -the City of London was 1ms:11e to 'be Catholics. Two years since. it had leflt to Peilii4jtieta a petition signed by 68,0(03 -persons against them. but this year no petition at that lint.' ltu I ,appeated. 14tfttl I.,(o.vl'Pait was nudes nod to express that it was dangei 1:11) ;0 3(1011; tfs Cet (co atl turttser share ,• in the Coosrilo . c►ies of " Queitiorr!“ tiler. became ((.t> IN TFIE FIRST FIVE NIINUT7.S. NEX"I"ITEsDAY, TWO PitlZEs ,C 20,000 11UsT BE DILMN.— FOITR PRIZES' OF ,/:zo.ool EIGHT PRIZES OF 1 cl. OOO , /71,0 00 , AND . 4soo, &c. &c. AND ONLY 10,00.0 ricKETs. E A T P. I C A REGISTE R. Petr.rmeri Last Night. TNYAIra. ROYAL, Dttu V"- LANE.--(10 time', Wanted a Wife. prin t ilvd haracters by Mr. M widen and Mrs. W. Wrst- Alto. which, The Innkeeper's Danglitt r. ROYAL. COVENT-GA or.N.—Romeo and Snlict : into, Mr. C. Kemble ; Juliet, Miss O'Neill. Aftec A Ituland fur an Oliver. I'ItICE (IF STOCKS jests f , AY AT I* W FAA' I, ..vei.ocK. Bank Stock 451 Bank Lunt Ann. IR] 11-16th, 3 pet (:tilt. Itpd... 7 1.1 I i lndia Bonds, 481. 30i. pr. I,ei Cent. Cons. ..73ii 1 South Sea Stock .....'9I 3 per Cent Snit I Oid Annuitie4 4 per Cints .....90i Exch. Bills, id.... Bs. 10s. pr. 4 per Ct. Navy Anti ..Io4li I Cons. for Account 721 —...._ AC:ULU:CI—I Waterford, t Cinerniey and JCl'Sry, I Sweden, 1 France. Due-1 Waturfurd, ilamburgh. 141C11 WATEft Al LONI)tiN BRIDGE 7'O.MORROSV. 41 minutes Patti . to. I Evening, 7 minutes after 11. THE SUN. •OLCSI QUI% !►SCENE FALAUM A UDEAT I,ON DON, WES ILIV, MAY 4, ISI9. We received this morning the Paris Papers a, Saturday last. The following are extracts : " CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES, Fato.tr, APRIL 30. ‘ 4 A grand Deputation was appointed to congratulate the King, in the name of the Chamber, on the 3d May, the Anni versary of his Majesty** return to Paris. " The discussion was resumed on the second projet respect ing the Press. The amendments muve3 by M. Bogne de Faye, were got rid of by the previous question, arid the re maining Articles were agreed to. " The Votes were then taken on the whole projet, when there appeared fur it, 125 against it, 87. The projet was therefore agreed to. " 't'he Chamber adjourned till to-morrow, when the dis cussion is to be opened on the pi ojet respecting the Journals. " the Secret Committee afterwards, the proposition of M. Lafittr, bor dividing the Reserve Fund at the Bank tioongst the Proprietors, was referred to the Committer. on the Budget. " l'Ants. MAT t.—The King yesterday transacted business with the Ministtr for Foreign Affairs. " 'flit .Nliiiistry hare restored the Soornals to freedom. From this day' the ccosurship isiiippressed, and the Public J00n!413 are only wilco:01e to the Common Law. With re gird, however, to rrsponi.ibility for their Articles, they will he subjected to the provisions of the Law of the 9th - her, until the riew Lair respecting the Press shall have passed both Chambers. FIVR PER CENT 3. Friday DPI:BN RED BTEIC:K. OftliC 44d I\ltrett, 1817, 84 f. 98c. T.ld Seytt. 1617, 22d Nlnrc.h, 1818, BOl. 911 c. Q 34 S t •pt. 75f. 9)c. 42d Match, 1819, 7lf f. 95c. . C 7 f. loc. " CADIZ, Arial.. 9.-The preparations for the grand expe dition continue w:tii great activity ; but some difficulty is etkperineed iii fitting out the ressels purchased from Kussia. " MaNnetiK, APRIL 21.—Sand, the'assassin of Kotzebue., continues in a state of great weakness; be is Row speech • Atottreal Herald, ATArch 13.) YITZt. -4 ,I4cICKSZ I R V. TH E feitt OP SELKIRK. was - t for' false imprisonineat of the v iaitoiti, a.relired partner of the North Wrut C“ixiiianv, by the gall, at Fort William, where he was thpownitita a dungeon, though in x. (iii,tresseci state of %vitholit /my legai pro cre'll"K,. and kept there owier a military o'nti; be wa, 14iii life to Lie it: danger) to sign various deeds, prepsrell rnr the purpne, pnrportine to be sales of the North West Company's property, and R bond of 'Arbitration, under colour of which, L►►rd SELKIRK. retained Possession of the Fort and its contents, to the value of full 100,0e101.—The Jury in this case gave a verdict for 15001. damages. LYMINGTON, MAY 3.—The Parser of the lion. Company's ship Marquess Mindy, landed here last night after post, with dispatches from China, find from Sir lltiosoNt Lowa, :et St. Helena, to Lo:d 11‘THURST ; and this morning landed the Purser of the Thomas Courts, from Bombay and China, with dispatches and mails. THe Fu Nos.—The M►►ney Market has kept very steady both yester►lay and this morning ; Consols have been at 72 to for the Account, but very little business is doing.' The article which appeared in our Paper of yesterday, stating the report that " orders have been, recently issued in our Dock-yards for vi gorous warlike preparations," has been taken into The Morning Chronicle of this day, with the fol lowing introduction :—" The Sun contains the following alarming paragraph."—Now, far from considering it as au alarming paragraph, we con ceive, if the report be well founded, and we did not venture to vouch for the truth of it, that it is highly gratifying to find that our Ministers are alive to the interests of the Country, and resolved to be prepared in case of danger.— The Treaty with America is universally condemn ed by men of sound mercantile knowledge and experience, and is likely to be so injurious to our Colonial interests, that some modification appears to be esseto ially necessary. The American Govern- mew is evidently: actuated by the most encroach ing ambition, and seems to be augmenting its militatTcharacter in order to cat ry its views into et feet, and therefore we are to look to the security of our distant settlements. The situation of France seems to be wholly dependent on the life of the present Monarch, and Europe may again be embroiled by a new Revolution. These are the grounds upon which Government is supposed to have acted in the orders which have been alluded to ;----they are surely such as will fully justify them in preparations for the defence of the Empire in all quarters ; and, therefore, if such orders have been actually is sued, we have no reason for alarm, but ought ra- her to rejoice that our Rulers are resolved to be n readiness for meeting any untoward event :hat may arise from the circumstances in question. We heartily congratulate the Country on the res ult of last night's Debate—though we lament the painful situation in which the Sovereign is place►i by the frequent agitation of the Catholic Question, and the support given to it by some of his own Ministers. We trust there is no truth in the rumours that some of them privately exerted their influence on the occasion. The Public in general, we are sorry to say, seem impressed with the idea that such intetference actually took place, and circumstances occurred in the course of the last evening which give support to the rumour. We are, however, fully convinced of the necessity which still exists for the Protestant Community to petition the Legislature on this vital subject, sod of expressing unequivocally and publicly their conviction of the calamitous consequences which will ensue, if Parts - rs are admitted to the posses sion of Political Power. The small majority on the division of last night slims how necessary it is to request the personal attendance of the Mem bers on every discussion of it, and the people will regret to learn, that upwards ot Serenty Members had left the House, as it is said, under an idea that the Debate was to be Hiljoorned to another day, awi that must ot these Members were adverse to the Question If, ,therefore, these Members had remained at their posts, the majority would have been so considerable, as, in all probability, to prevent any future agitation of the Question ; but trot' we shall not be surprised if Lord NUGUNT, Or some of the other Supporters of the PAPISTS, should propose again: eVen in this Session, ano ther discussion on it, though in some other shape ; and therefore it is that we trust the Protestants will persevere in petitioning both [louses of Par liament, for if it has no other good effect, it will, at least, convince some of the Members ot the Government that the GRIIAT MASS of the Population of the Empire are decidedly hostile to any inroad of this nature on the Con stitution of the Country in CHURCH and STATe ; nor is it at all a matter of wonder, that such are their feelings, when it is recollected that the Pa pists boldly proclaim that they never will allow " their Church, its Ritual, or its Rights," to be subject to the controul of the Legislature. With this declaration 'before their eyes, we 'cannot re , train from ST.prcsiiut, Our sOrpriae, that 241 Milo hers should have voted in their favour, and which ill increased, when we remember that many of them profess themselves to be the]) seiples of Mr. l'iTrt who, in 'March,before his death, on Mr.Sitantosl'i -motion, declared he NEVER t70411(1, at a.iy rime , or under any cit curnstances, agreeto refer the afell i°n to a Committee. To that important Speech are re fer our Readers—it was a masterly exposition to th e state of the subject, and his reasons for refflting at that time to grant the concessions, now so fr . decently : urged, apply with tenfold force at 114 present moinent.—We nsost 'cordially calico ap the sentiments publicly expressed by the M'e ts3- bens of the PROTESTANT UNION, and we err g' ll4 ' d hear that '' the General Committee of 140 10° 1 PROTESTANTS Of ALL DENOMINATIONS " 1/14 shortly meet to prepare Petitions similar to 11 " 114 Which they presented to Parliament ill -15131 signed by upwards of sixty thousand persons. 1'43 itre free to own that we are disappointd 113 41c , 114 turn which the debate took l a st might. latust again express our regret that any Alec'?4a should, under such circumstances, it aye Veit tij° House before it closed, as the smallness of the Majority cannot fail to keep alive the eqle clia Lions of the PAPISTS, which ought never c° realized, so long as the Constitution .an 4 Government of this Country arc zuNDAmENT AIS PROTESTANT. g to A Dutch Mail arrived last night with Pare I " Saturday last. The following are extraets: ---- az HANoveR., APRIL 24.—We learn that the Prince 17 t•f e iiii4 England will visit one of the German baths, and will ""i, t b r occasion honour this city with a visit. The solemn "; tistrt of the young Prince, son of the Duke of Cainbc“,l.. will take place in a few days. Mr. Rose, th e EnZllsl)'. bassador at Berlin, will he . present at it. FRANarottr, Aram 25.—The Duchess of St. Le" Queen of Holland) has been for some days in this cityt° leave of her sister-in-law, the Countess of Survilly(E o f ue of Spain), who it is affirmed will leave this city in the of next month, and go to join her husband Joseph parte in America. EAST INDIA SHIPPING. The East India Company's ships Marquess of Hnn lll —ret m Thoas Coutis arrived off St. Alban's Head the 2d 'Y It sailed from China the 9th December, from the Cape tia' e 4 February, from St Helena the 27th Februaci. , The Marquess of Huntly spoke the Lowther C 1 0 . 11 , 44. Marquess Camden, outward-bound, on the Eqitaturs V. T W he est, on the Bth March , all well. tie Asia was dispatched front Bengal for Magical" 24th December. THE THEATRE.—In addition to the ossprecid. dented novelties of one kind or another whicti have been brought forward at Drury•lene 1.1144 .; tee (hiring the present season, a ne w Conicity represented last night, under the titl e of, Wa'c :, if a Wife, or a Check on my Banker. Th'e opens with an advertising office, kept by M`i (Jon STON Arthur Wildfire (RussELL) ° . 5; plies there for a wite, and his servant &fr... (fiAHLEY), who had been discharged by 111 4 114 1140 ter, who could only pay him with a draft 64 „ - , c pump at Aldgate, resorts there for a place. many diverting and humoorotis perplexities, fr. '"5l re marries Catharine rirragon (Mrs. WEA;, 'Lady whose mind has been bewildered by re4".,11,e old romances, and was chivalry-mad. She I S . 00 ward of Sir Gabriel (MuNneN) , an old woo 100- delighted in sights, and who describes ail h seen. At length Wildfire marries Miss CatiO r ir i; and Frank her elder sister, an old maid. Ai.. Piece was well received, and with a fe w et'rt. t 60 meats, particularly the exclusion of some s'";if parts, will probably excite public attention. I attributed to a Mr. MoscatEr. DUEL BETWEEN LOUD DONOUGHMOKS COLONEL BAGW&LL. hN Yesterday morning early a duel took pitic e , a ct tureen the Earl of DostouGnstotta and C w l 4 o BAGWELL, about three miles from town, on : le Uxbridge road. The Noble Earl was ace° ll/r a, uied by Sir It. WILsoN, and Colonel 13R- 05 46 , by Mr. JAMES DALY. It was agreed by the conds to toss up for the first fire, mid the ritsAtts pals having taken their station, Sir Roesl er ft - a , the signal to fire by throwing up bis hat - o f lone) MowELL {coed and missed. The Eatn „g , DoNonciamoßE missed fire. Colonel BAS ' insisted he should fire. The Earl of Do",ny MORE said it was impossible. Sir Itosigtor soN observed the miss was decisive of '1 %,0 • This led to an attempt t( on the part of the Ldo! to accommodate the business, which %vas 5441,11,e with success, and the parties shook bands• t ,4 &idol DoNiouGuMORE expressed a hope dot should prove better triends, to whirl 4 % 4 i e BarewELL gave his cordial concurrence. The ties then left the ground, and returned " t e tt i ,pe The quarrel, we understand, arose out 01 i ds Tipperary Election, and had no connectiol) tist.o.• the Catholic Question, as tvzs reported Yt day.—(horning Papers.) •ig Nothing provokes the curiosity o f peoP' e much as the difficulty of its gratification ; I' 4 1 10 s tance, the fair Circassiln—whom n obodY ,"-, seen, anti whom evety body wishe s to see. 0 fottunate for those who pay cou rt at a digat, shrine, that dame Fortune is mor e " •c° ll)4. I t , able." This good Lady illrefide, with th e 1144i11 e aoce of G. CARROLL, to distribute atuong9t h o t followers, on the lith of MAY, T wo Prir.ol v 20,00Q1 in the FIRST FIVB QJINVTE S . III:e, r 4 very contains Foort Pri z es of 20,0001. %O IL now on sale at her Favourite's OtliCeS ',705, Corntlill, and 26, Oxford-street ; where N", a Prize of 20,000 Guineas , and the highest 1 of which the Lottery contained, with other 20001. 10001. 5001. Ste. were Sold in th e 7 14 ( Lottery, being more in amount than any Office-keeper. DIED t t 4 On Sstray, tbe I Pt insat, DIED. his 110110 e, in 133 1141. " a g r c e p e Portman u -squ d are, aged 43, t G n e orge Brown, f.sq . 13" 4 her of Government at Borahay. ..., -- Gfes4 LONDON: Printed by.). B. CARSTAIIIS, of,No• 4 9 ' W. i'!" Ormotoi-stret, Queen-square; and published b,V .. , Or sCRIPPs, of No.:, South Molton-street, at 1 n ot jel" Ottic;e, N',. i ti. Strand ; where Ativettillemtnt.' L,ttuls, ftg. 4 p. s t.pal4l) must be aJdrassed. ,~ violent to hr reli4ted, And 'lle Gallery WAS dear ed.—The then divided— Foribe NlOtit.n • Against it Mnjority against the Motion -2 The originAl numbers stood thus-248 Noes end 242 Ave.s The votes of five of the fotmer lnd of one of the latter IL4Ning been, an WA3 on der4tood, mistothingly given, were afterwards ex punged, leAving the !dative strength of both harries Hlreinly suited. Mr. Cnotczt; nod Lord NUGENT wc.,-re the Tel ler% i n flivoor of the Catholics, tind Mr. LESLIE wt;h 14 Member i.vilose name could no! be lent nefd, on :he opposite Ride. Ac!joorned at 'ltiro &Clock thi 3 morning. LONDON JOURNALS. FROM THr, MORNING PAPER` OF THIS DAY. [Morning Herald j \V tioderstand the Committee of the Commons on the affairs <tf the continued to examine witnesses 3es terday. lit that ca^e, there would he a delay of some days more hefort. the Report could be ',resented. If any credit he cute in the socressive rtimunrs telative to the rtro4ress lif in qoiry hr th e r,Cotootittees, they goon in a very vacillatine, way. W e choulfrattgor the better at the cottelosion at which they chotilti arrive, if they reached it by a direct, steady, and de cisirte Cak2V3C. The public is so anxiously and justly impa tient to !mote the hest or the worst upon the subject, that we hope the iteitort will nut be delayed._ [The Times.] Pants, At''! r, 73.—Prinec Paul of Wortemberz, who leas resioe.l in Paris for the 1a , ,1 two years, has addressed a letter to Ihe GrnAtiotie Diet. cot - 141)1:61611g ot the arbitrary acts the in i < his hi other s he has a tight to exerci-e towards him, ire virlne of. family la' which the King stiecved ed in. compelling Prince Paul to sitissei Ihe ahoot z rear ago. Accorditig to an article of this kw, a Prineeof t he Royal Family cannot absent himself fiorn the kilighom without the consent •of thel inr,. The Ring his lately ordered Prince Paul 110111 C, at confiscating his appcptafc. The Prince, who thinks that in returning he would expose himself to ts of violence on the part of his brother, declares that lie, wilt not remit to the tin dons till his Majesty has 1111614 d the 131 h Article of the Act of the Clernisoic ConfederAtion, which stipulates for the estalilishment of con.titwitiiis in the I;ernianic States, anti till the relations between him ;end the State, and between him and his brother, be constitutionally regulated. The Prince is now the first presomplive heir to N. Crown who demands the establishment of a constitution. Let ou 11071 C that his intentions are as pure and wise as his demands are just, and conformable to the interests of his country.