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THE ARMY. CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION. k From the Dublin Morning Register of Friday.) NEW BILL OF EMANCIPATION. Mr. O'Coar nett., M.P.—Every art and every stratagem has been used against us, and they have all failed. Every species of calumny and injustice has been heaped upon the Irish people, for there has been an elasticity in the Irish character, which has always supported the people against oppression. An emaciating code of laws has not lessened our numbers.—(Hear, hear.)—Massacres and penal laws are passing away ; all schemes of persecution have been attempted, and all have failed.—(Hear.) —Last year the most absurd experiment of all, the new reformation, was put in operation ; we were to be c onverted at the rate of a thousand a week. The Mail bad its calculation upon the subject. Bobadil, like it, disposed of ten men to-day— took out another ten, killed them too"—(Laughter)— and so on until the one thousand a. week was made out most satisfactorily, and we were all, in the course of one year, to be converted when the "new light" burst upon us. I should be glad to know what has become of the new re formation now.—(Hear and laughter.)—Any money for the new reformation.—(Laughter.)-w•Stolen or strayed, lost or mislaid, a thing called the new reformation.— (Laughter. )—Why the very dreamers, who dreamed this delusion, are gone and passed by now. But this year opened with a new scheme ;—they want to put us down by Brunswick Clubs.—(Hear and laughter.)— And who had they for their patron ? Ne less a person than his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland. I bless God that they have taken him for their patron. *Hear and cheers.) How can any Brunswieker look an honest man In the face arid say, our patron is the Duke of Cum berland ? (Hear, and cheers.) I shall say nothing more of him, tkau that the Imperial Parliament would not en trust him with the etlueation of his own children. If I had a malignant wish to gratify—if I desired to degrade the Orangemen, who should I desire to nominate for a patron but the one they have got? See the saintly Lefroy, and the solemn Saurin ; they lift up their hands to the Duke of Cumberland as the God of their idolatry. (Laughter and cheers.) The late meetings that have taken place amongst them, prove the disrepute into which they have fallen. If the people are peaceable all over Ireland— if they cease from illegal oaths and secret societies, and I now address myself not solely to the people of the North, but the-South ; not less to the people of Monaghan, than Duliallow, in the county Cork—let there be peace for twelve or eighteen months longer, and there-will not be a lirunnricker in Ireland that Will you not 'find protesting that lie never attended there willingly, but was forced to it,. and crying out—" forgive Me' this time, and I will never do so again." (Laughter awl continued cheers: ) The Catholics of the county Monaghan shall receive every assistance. (Hear.) They shall have civil actions. Brery poor m an w ho h a g been oppressed and outraged will be enabled to proceed in civil action, - and :the expenses de frayed for him. . There is nothing in theworld terrifies an Orange Magistrate as much as a lutitat. (Hear, and laughter.) Criminal proceedings ashall be taken wherever we are enabled to do so. (Hear, hear!.) And, before the next day of meeting, I pioulise to show how ntagistrates can be called on to disarm every man not entitlod to have arms, and how the man who is entitled to have them can compel magistrates to give hint a ttertificate.. (Hear.) 1 .said to you, that it way parlieularly necessary that the people should, at the present moment, be- tranquil; fur, I am well aware a the detail. of an emancipation bill. (Hear.) It is drawn. (Hear.) It is in the hands of the lawyers. I know more thus that—it is now actually in the Linde of the bishops. (Hear, hear.) The Parlia. ,meat meets - on the Stis of Fairtiary. I t:ati aaatiounce that as a fact, though it happette that very few in this ennatry know it - hitt . myself. (Hear.) The emanripation bill bas been In the hands of Mr. Tyndall, and read by him, in order that it might put in precise teenical form.— The Duke of Wellingtcin ha given it to him, whom my Rev. friend, by mistake, called tie Bishop of Chester, bat who is now the Bishop of London, i s o order that he may get the assent of the majority of the Bishop to it, if pos sible ; but that, at all events, it yea:aid he brought by the Duke of Wellington into the House of Losals.—(Hear and cheers. )—I will tell you more—that by this Bill we are rot shut out (nun Parliament; but that it opens both Houses of Parliament to the Catliolics......(aultinued cheers.)_ With this one qualification, and it is an - a:seceding silly one—that the Catholics are not to be allowed to vote on any subject connected with the Church--(Hear.)-Y1 know that this is the plan of Mr. Horton, and a most foolish one it is ; under this bill Catholic 17.43mbers are not to be entire menabers.—(Langhter.)—Whenever they at tempt to touch upon any thing corotected with the Chrch, they are iomediately to be seized with a paralytic stroke. .--(Laugbter.)—They are to be frilly alive on every civil, political, and navai question; but completely dead the very instant the word Church" is uttered.—(Laughter)— lusanitywas never greater than this...it is taking away from the electors so much of their opinions upon one sub ject; but if I have bad new, Or you on thatpoLot, I have good news for you on another, that there is no iatesif; . , , ,,n of tneddling with the freehold wing at allas—(Hear, and long J roertinued cheers ) But if that is cheering I have now to tell you what will be the reverse of cheering—that this Bill contempletes in modified species of veto impewering Govern rser.t to disapprove of the appointment of a Bishop, not for ecelesiiecatl reasons—if this be true, it can never be acce d e d (Il e asr.)—The framers of this Bill gat it up with great secrecy—, - ; was kept as compact as possible until it got into the hand's of the law officers, and there it Dozed out a little ; but the moitia4C it reached the Bishops —the Bishops ladi es got at the secrk7 , Am; the ladies told it to their cousins as a great one. (Laughter.l And I now have the fact on the authority of a near connectiorl of one of the Protestant Bishops. (Cheers.) The Courier,. at the instance of the Administration, mey at the present moment deny thie ; but I am convinced and positive of the fact, and that even now means are taking to carry the bill through both Houses of Parliament. (Hear.) The Brunswick party are left in the lurch—(laughter)—what now becomes of the creatures who meet at the Crooked Building here below—what becomes of Aby Baby King and his cry of "no surrender ?" (Cheers.) Why, while they were crying " no surrender ?" it seems the pass was sold on them. (Laughter.) And there they are now left like fishes on the strand, when the tide is out; while here we are, united and determined, and the cry is, ",no surrender" on our part. (Loud cheers.) Our consciences as Christians, and as Ca tholics, would not be infringed by the freehold wing; but yet we never would be parties to the injustice it would inflict upon the country. Our consciences are now free, and I tell them that no act of parliament made our religion-wit was not framed according &a of p ar li ament shall ever to any act of parliament, and no mar it.—(Hear and chew. )—Our religion inadesits way against the greatest persecution that was ever practised — that persecution was carried o n b y the greaterand most powerful men that ever existed, the Emperors ef Rom e , and yet it trampled over them— the blood of martyrs h as 6,, that religion been shed in Ireland—for three centuries we litave endured persecution here, and have trampled over it. They may have a vote in their act of parliament; but will the Bishops pay more obedience to it than they did to the p ct of parliament which, up to the year 1782, made h a transiS,ortable offence for a Catholic bishop to be in Ireland—and y e t we !sad Catholic bishops in Ireland then as well as now. It is queste:taable whether it be not still a transportable offence for a CathotV.:: bishop to be in Ireland, and I do not know but a good Orange 3:1."P aided by an Orange judge, might safely decide that it is still trwsportable offence. The Catholic bishop owes a temporal allegiance, which he faithfully discharges to the throne; but be knows of no spiritual allegiance but to God, and the Church which that God has founded.—(Hear and cheers.) If we now pull together ; if there be no dissensions amongst us ; if we stand by the religion and liberties of Ireland, we will be enabled by the next Session of Parliament, to out the wings from this Bill of Emancipatiwn, and get the b o dy through both Houses. Rejecting this Bill, as we shall do, fur we will enter into no such compromises (hear). --eve must he certain ef attaining our frill and per fect freedom.--(ldear , and cheers , )—Emancipation is now within our View, host withi n our reach ;,there is only one thing that call retard it—disturbaneßs amongst the people.—(Hear, hear.) — ' 4l JiteboY associations, secret so cieties, and illegal °allot, can aloua keep us back. Let me have but the people of ire.land twelve months longer peace able, well-conducted, avoiding* all illegal aoaietie e , and we shall have full, free, and unguent: l .rd emencipatia4,_(Hear, bear, and cheers.) (From the Limerick Evening Post of Friday.) I Major-Gen. Sir 'F. Arbuthnot reviewed the 69th Regi ment, at Casticbar, on Friday, and is now engaged in the inspection of the regimental books, and the barrack ar rangements. •'Che Light company of the 34th Regiment, under the command of Capt. 'few, has marched from G.rk for Nlacroom. On Weinesday, seven Commissariat waggons with ammunition, under an escort of the 62d Regiment, arrived in Limerick from Dublin. A detachment of the 23d Regiin — ent of Infantry has lei London for Brecon. - A detachment of the 13th Regiment of Light Dragoons left London on Wednesday for Chatham. LAW, INTELLIGENCE. MOST SINGULAR TRIAL COURT OF KING'S BENCH, Drc 13. We published the coNcLuseoN of this very • interesting Trial in a SECOND and THIRD EDITION, at BLEVE.V o'cLocr. on SATURDAY NIGHT. The following iY what did not appear in our FIRST EDITION, together with Mr. WAEFLY'S REPLY, and- the LORD CHIEF JUSTICE'S CHARGE at full length. We understand 'that Mr. W.4A - R.tv is going to publish a complete Report of the 2 'rial immediately. Continuation of the evidence of Mr. Thomas Callaway. —I cannot distinguish in-this preparation between the cut made by the gorget and that made by the knife. I have seen an appearance produced in the cellular membrane by the forceps passing between the bladder and the rectum, but the appearances in those cases and in the one in question were net similar. In the former there was ex travasated blood, and in the latter there was none. The cellular membrane was dark coloured, which might be the case without its containing extravasated blood. The witness was re-examined by Sir Jearee SCA KLETT as to the use of the brut forceps, -and the witness de posed that from the time at which Mr. Cooper used the bent forceps he (Mr. Callaway) conceived' that Mr. Cooper must have had the same idea of the difficulty which was then passing in his head; it was not the simple operation of cutting which occasioned the delay in per forming the operation. By a Juror.—The operation is always thought to be difficult when the stone is in the anterior part of the bladder, but he did not anticipate any extraordinary difficulty in this case, though the patient was of that weak habit that he was sot unlikely to sink under a great operation ; the sound could sot have placed the stone in a position more difficult to be got at. Mr. C. A. Key examined—l am the senior surgeon to Guy's Hospital ; I have been a sus geon since 1812 ; I have performed 50 or 60 operations in lithotomy myself ; I have seernMr. Cooper operate several times ; in the operations Mr. Cooper has performed he has nut lost score than the I • average number of patients ; from the description of the operation, as given by Mr. Callaway, I think it likely that I should have adopted the same process its was 'adopted by Mr. B. Cooper. The length of time occupied in the ope- • ration was no criterion of the skill of the operator.— Have known causes where, although the stone could be touched, there was yet great difficulty in extracting it in consequence of the bladder grasping the. stone. I thick, from t,' evidence adduced, that the operation was ecientie fically perform;,;. If any violence had been used, I thiuk its effects could be disc ovsyed after death. The passage the cellular membrane would hays been found lacerated, arid in a rate pf slough, with extravasated blood. I was present at the post mortem examination, and the cellular membrane was perfectly sound, and not lacerated. It the forceps had been introduced with great force into the prostate gland, it would have shewn the effects of that force, ,hut no such effects were visible after' death. The wound presented the appearance of a fair section into the neck of tho lai'-;; e l 4ee through the prostate gland. The cutting gOrget was, I thinis en instrument ' applicable to else circumstances of • the case, but think a knife would havearsaFeeed the purpose equally well. It is in ort4, very few cases accartlipg to my experience, that the bladder can hi Mched by the finger; but it is desirable to do so if possible. I b4d some conversation with Air. kambert in the square of the Hospital. Mr. Lambert said, -I! Your straight staff will never feub se deep pe rineum." " Sir, you know nothing about it, having never performed ikst operation yourself." The staff will inswer as well with a dfs,7,,?s with as a shallow one. I told him if he thought this perineum 4,vep, I bad operated upon one twice es deep. Not having seen the perineum during life, I could gin no opinion as to its depth, aaci di.d not thkrefore say that it sass a deep one. Mr. B. Cooper', in his operat,itins, has 'seldom egreeded the average time. I have tied the stibodeeitlite Artery etvice. 4 is, when tied in cases of aneurism, one of dsa roost diffieult opergiops in surgery, but when there is no disease to .opeAticw is easy enough. It requires great skill, great preAnce 9f ; 1 %4 great e m eee,"eelee of anatomy to perform such an operation. Y, assisted Mr. ,B. Cooper in performing this operation, nail I never saw ev, ;;otter performed in my life. It was for aneurism. I never sag , Yr- B. Cooper lose his presence of mind upon any occasion: I consider him to be a good and skilful surgeon. Croseeeramined—l saw in the _Lanett s 11150 a of the • tying of the stabclavian artery. Sir JAMES SCARL=T—My Lord, there was such 6 report, in which Mr. C. was spoken of very handsomely ; that was prior to the quarrel between Mr. Lambert and Mr. Cooper at the dinner. - Mr. Wakely—Was that report prior or subsequent to the dinner? Witness—lt was subsequent to it, most cette44. I object to the use of the gorget before au opening is made into the bladder, because then is considerable degree of force must be used ; but after an opening has been made into the bladder, my objection will certainly not apply,— rhave operated between 50 or 60 flaws ; 40 of these were at Guy's Hospital ; I lost only three patients. With justice to Mr. Cooper, I ought to say that the major part of thew 40 were young patients; Ms. Cooper performed about twelve Limes at the hospital, but as 1 4'.c not keep an account of his paee'v e ets, I cannot tell-how many oe them died. I use as mossy instruments in the 'kilotons/ operations as I may find neeeeeery fur extracting the stone, sometimes three, sometimes more. if the bladder cone tracts it may bold the stone in contact w.th it. I think had • performed about three operations efore I my work on lithotomy. In the case ies whiela Mr. Bransby cooper tieii gee subelavian artery, the patient 'ultimately died, but I thirrie „that he died snore from diseanethan from the operation itself—Le death w as occasioned by suppurati on b e l ow t h e li gature . N e i, ther in the operations that I have seen, or that I have my selfyon meats sewn. se a estcsietrihtei fi s e ut m s:l r a ig v er i , a .m n ._. a t r a t tl e s r b • y t inied e performed, have pe l r —inner than it was done by Mr. Cooper. better Coo science as applied to sufgery ? I consider Mr. . What do I consider that a man is sciens.., C who knows good reasons for what be does. lam certain I had no conversa sion with Mr. Bran , by Cooper respecting tn.. "f erasion before the report appeared. I have since that converien with him, but it was upon immaterial points. I had never the difficulties of this operation explained to me. Have you ever sent a contribution to the Lancet?—.. Yes, upon the occasion of the , separation of St. Thomas and, Guy's hospitals, I sent an answer to an article which previously appeared in the Lancet. I saw in the Lancet, since the operation in question, an article highly prai s i ng Mr. Bransby Cooper, and undoubtedly it in my belief that I expressed my approval of that article. Mr. Joseph Laundry, examined by Sir JAMES Seals- LETT—I held the instruments for Mr. Cooper whilst he .was performing the operation. I have tvitnessed . lalmost all the operations of St. Thoinas and Guy's - Hospitals for the last thirty years, and have DER n.y.----A most importaitt Protestant f lieu Sir Astley Cooper and Mr. Cline perform County Meeting was held at Derry, on Thursday se'nnigo t , several times. Some operations of the description now for the purpose of petitioning Parliament against grant i ng . ' unde r c o ns id era ti on h ave lasted its long. The most tedious further concessions Roman Catholics. The High Sheriff i ons I ever saw w as - by M r . Cli ne , surgeon, i t l as t e d an to ro and forty minutes ; the stone w as u lti ma tely ex was iti the Chair, and theprineipal speakers were, the Bev. Spencer Kiser:, Ilessee. Georec Hill, and Barre Beresford. .aote.d. I have seen the o per a ti on l ast an h our , but nc often; cage by Sir Astley tweed an hour, it was at —Stat. of Br torsie;r.k. the hospit a l. On opening the head of Lord Liverpool, a cross-examined by the defendant.---I am ant a surgeon, portion of the brain was feala 4 "Cts with a portion of eeeter lam an instrument -maker, and do not kr-tete the causes of suffused over it.. A part of one 4. the internal iliac veins the delay i n the cases that lasted an hour. was found ossified to tlee extent, of as, inch, so that the Ire. ("igalin, a Quaker, examined by Sir J. SCAR cavity was obliterated. The liver was quite coond, though eerr.-- 1 ant Professor of Morbid Anatomy at Guy's Hoe coins of the face:lry had poeseseeee et e eny i tc _ 4 - 4 , iichw p i ta ', I eleisild elliss;st that the perineum of the deceased, ,Fewer. from his size, must have been deep. From the appear • v ante of the parts, I was aware of no other Wound, except one from the external surface into the bladder—there tens none between the bladder and the rectum. The kid neys, - as is generally the case in subjects of that nature, were mottled with white spots. I should certainly have seen it, if there had been any wound between the bladder and rectum. I cannot say that the sound passed any where but into the bladder. After I removed the parts they were put away, and J. Lambert asked to see them, lor one of my assistants took them down for him, I went away ; afterwards James Lambert shelved me a passage be tween the bladder and the rectum, and as I had not seen the passage before, I taxed him with making it. • He had his finger in the passage when he chewed it to me. If that had been made recently before death there would be an extravasation of blood. It is my firm conviction that it was made after death. From my knowledge of Mr. Cooper I look on him as a very fair Surgeon and a good anatomist. Cross-examined—l read or heard the report of the post mortem examination in the Lancet read, and it was cor rect as it appeared at the examination, except so far as re garded the passage between the rectum and the bladder•. Mr. Brodie, examined by Mr. Po:Amex—l have re peatedly conversed with the plaintiff on surgical subjeets, and conceive him a very intelligent surgeon. I heard Mr. Callaway's account of the operation, and I think that it must have been difficult. I think that Mr. Cooper performed it skilfully. But I have never seen that gentleman perform any operation.— I have repeatedly performed the operation ot lithotomy, and it varies in its circumstances more than any other; the use of a great number of instruments indicates the dif ficulty of the case. Cross-examined—l attended a meeting at the Free masons' Tavern, composed of the lecturers at several hospitals, and it was considered that we had all a common cause against the Lancet. I paid part of the expences of the second application to the Court of Chancery, Ibr an in junction to restrain the publication of Mr. Abernethy's Lec tures. I have subscribed to enable a man to set up an op sition journal to the Lancet, but since that I have known nothing of it. Re-examined—lt appeared to me to be a great grievance to have the lectures published, because they were published incorrectly, and brought great discredit on those whose lectures were published. Mr. Travers—l have been in practice 20 years, and I have been in the profession since 1800 ; I have heard the evidence of Mr. Callaway, as to the operation, and I have heard of no circumstance which could impeach the skill of the operator. I think the operator is the best judge as to the instrument which ought to be used. The length of time is no criterion of the skill of the opera tor. lam acquainted with Mr. Cooper, and think that he is an ingenious and intelligent surgeon, and fit for the situation he holds as surgeoh of Guy's Hospital. There are often cases of lithotomy which for a long time baffle the skill of the best operator, and I conceive the case in question to ben one of that description. I have had conversations at - Saint Thomas's Hospital nn the subject of the Lancet. Tlie`surgeons met together upon the subject. I was not present at any difference of opinion between Mr. Lambert and Mr. Cooper. I have read the report in the Lancet, and I do not consider it to be a fair or a professional account of the operation. Cross-examined--I (lid not witness either the operation or the post mortem examination. I have performed the operation twice where there was no stone, although th e patient had previously all the synrptonts, which ceased after the operation. He had the opinions of four other surgeons as to the existence of the complaint before he per formed the operation. Re-examined—lf I had never heard of the report I should, on reading it, blush for the person who had made such a report. Mr. Green was next examined—l ant the nephew of the late Mr. Cline, and hate been for eight years sur geon to St. Thomas's Hospital, I have often performed the operation of lithotomy, and inn reputed to be very successful. I witnessed one capital operation by Mr. Bransby Cooper, which he performed admirably well. The operation was that of tying the external iliac artery, which, for skill, is somewhat like putting a ligature on the subelavian artery. From Mr. Callaway's description of the operation I think it was skilfully conducted, and I should conceive it to have been ;; case of great difficulty ; the length of time is of itself no criterion of the skill of the operator ; the most skilful surgeon Might have occupied the same time, and yet the result have been equally fatal. Cross-examined—lt requires great anatomical knowledge to tie the iliac artery. I was at the meeting at the Free masons' Tavern. Some lectures of ruins at that time had been published. I contributed to the expenses of the in, junction. before the operation. If the bladder were full of water the stone would have,been easily struck. 'Mr. Wakely—What is the danger to be guarded against in the operation of lithotomy ? Sir Astley Cooper-i--The chief danger to be guarded against is violence. Mr. Wakely—Supposing the stone to he felt, but en veloped iu the folds of the bladder, Would not the more prudent, course be, alter having' vainly , tried for tin minutes to extract it, to place the patient in hia bed again ? Sir Astley Cooper—l should certainly think riot, if the stone could he felt. I❑ that case the surgeon should per severe until he got it away. Mr. Wakely—Have you not read Celsus, Sir Astley ? —(Laughter.)--Sir Astley—l have dipped into Celsus, but I do not consider Celsus as a good surgical authority, although he is a classical one.—(Mitch laughter.) Mr. Wakely—To not the practice iu Edinburgh' and Paris to put die patient to • lied in such cases as I have supposed ? Sir Astley Cooper—l .have studied in - Edinburgh, and I have witnessed operations of lithotomy in Paris, but I never eaw such a practice resorted to. Mr. Wakely—How long may the contraction, of the bladder continue? • Sir Astley—lt might last an hpur. I Will give you an example—l went into tbe - .theatre at St.' Thomas's Hospital, when an operation Of lithotomy was being performed by a gentleman who is now in Court. It was one of great difficulty. The stone was enveloped in the folds of the bladder, so that the point of it only could be felt. After nearly the lapse of an hour, be passed the instrument be tw,Tri the stone and the bladder ; but the contraction still continued Mr. Wakely—Wbat evil could result by placing the pa. tient in bed until the contraction was over ? Sir Astley—Just this—What you would not like—You would have. two operations instead of one to perform.— (Laughter.) If the stone was felt, the surgeon ought to persevere. Mr. Wakely—Why is it more difficult to introduce, the finger after death than before ? Sir Astley—lf you had ever put your finger into the blad der of a living subject you would know the difference. By putting your finger into the bladder of the dead subject, you would have known as much of the difficulty of this case as you now do of what is passing in the moon.— (Much laughter,) Re-examined by Sir J. SCARLETT—My nephew was a surgeon in the army, and he was my demonstrator of ana tomy. He gave great satisfaction to me ; and the students were so gratified with the dearness of his leetures that they felt pleased than a Luau who had so easy a method of communicating knowledge should be placed in a situ ation where he would have the means of conveying it. Mr. Dalrymple, the surgeon of the Norwich Hospital, deposed to the celebrity of that Hospital for its operations in lithetomy, and he had himself performed the operation not less than seventy-six times. Had heard )Jr. Callaway's description of the operation, and saw from that description no indication of want of skill on the part of the operator. Has often had similar difficulties, and ha.s always a greater number of instruments than those that were mentioned as employed by Mr. Cooper. Believes Mr. Cooper well quali fied to fill the situation of hospital surgeon. Had himself the nah , fortune to have a case where the stone was so large that it could not he removed, and in three hours the pa tient died. Cro,s.exatnined—ln that ease the stone weighed over fieurteen ounces. Mr. Watson examined—l am *eoretary to the Cant of Examiners of the Apothecaries' Company; the young maw, Clapham, did come to he examined, in order to ob tain his certificate. I have an affidavit of John Clapham, to the effect that he was 21 years of age on the 21st of April, 1828. This affidavit was necessary, in order that he should get his license to be examined. This affi.. davit was sworn at a Police-office in Middlesex. I don't know that Mr. Lamlert did more than give a certificate of the moral character of Clapham. Sir JAMES geARISTT-That is my Me. THE REPLY. After the evidence was concluded Mr. Wakely rote to reply, and expressed himself as follows : May it please your Lordship, Gentlemen of the Jury—At the commencement of this cause yesterday many of you heard it insinuated by the Learned Gentleman to whom I am opposed, that my case in all probability would break down upon some plea not being substantiated, and that there would be a difficulty probably in the way of the Learned Gentleman's bringing forward his witnesses to prove the high and exalted character, and the extraor traordinary skill of Mr. Bransby Cooper ! At that time I took the opportunity of suggesting to the Learned Gen tleman, that he need be under no apprehension on that. head, because I felt fully assured I should be enabled per fectly to complete the case with which I had set nut, and to answer every charge 1 had made in the declaration. Gentlemen, from the course which the Learned Gentlemen has pursued to day, I fear that I shall be under the necessity of occupying a much greater portion of your time, though it is now so late, than will be agreeable to me, or will be agreeable to you. But it seems that this attack, which was first made on Bransby Cooper, is now made an attack upon myself; and really, from the description of the Learned Gentleman given of myself, you must have re garded the work as the most infamous, and me as too de testable to be tolerated in any society. I was charged as a robber—l was denounced as a literary pirate,--in fact, there was scarcely any epithet which the Learned Gentle man could apply that he has not applied to my character. Gentlemen-4t was stated to you, again and again, that I had entered the lecture-room and plundered the leCturers of their property,—and that I was employing a set of men who were almost the outcast of the profession, to use means which could not be recognized in any country where honour existed, with a view to emolument on my part, that I might live in luxury in a splendid establishment, and that I might roll through the streets in my carriage and laugh—laugh at those whom I had plundered. Gentle men—if I have acted in this way, I hope you will show, by your verdict this day, that you as much disapprove of such conduct as Sir James Scar lett does. But, on the other hand, if I show you first that all these accusations are unfounded, and if I show you secondly that Mr. Bransby Cooper has not answered any one of the charges l have brought against him, then, Gentle men, shall I lay claim t 9 your verdict; and in fact I do net see how it is possible, with the evidence before you, you can return a verdict for the plaintiff. It is impossible for me to say whether Sir James Scarlett has made these accit whip' against me from report, or from the instructions that he kol received from his client : if from report, I should consider that the Leasoed, Gentleman has acted most indiscreetly ; and if from the instroctiona of his ehent, I think the Learned Gentleman's client must have shown a still greater want of that discretion which ought to have bests displayed; because his client knows, at all events, that every accpatrZion b has made with respect to the lectures 13 totally without foundation. Erom the commencement of my Journal, I have advo cated the right of publishing the lectures of pnblic teaeliera, but f have never advocated the tight of publishing th- lec s tures of priwa:a teachers, op of going to any private places of instruction with the view pf converting to my use the literary labours of others. Now, Gantlet /I pr), wln; lectures have I published? Those that have been delivered in St. Thomas's Hospital, which is a public institution— thr,sc, which have been delivered in St. Bartholomew's Hospital; Which is a institution. In the one case I had the permission of Sir As lei; ;;rtper to publish his lectures—in the other case, it is true, I haul dot the per-: mission of Mr. Abernethy, but a Court of Equity acceded to ma 14; right. I maintained my right in the Court of aancery, day after day, and week after week; not upon any le of technicality, not upon any ns.ltry 'inbterfoge, but upon the groUnd of Oldie expedientiv, upon the ground ct ri bi;y utility, upon the ground that public servant, wherever tkey Fit.re'seged, were ptiblie property, and that we h a d a rigia to he aevaiore!l With their actions. Mr. Abernethy resisted the ciatul i be Fec , 4,e4 she Fptetnt4 that I made to lay his lecture !refine the public, silsr ini4teti lo t h at , 6 ,6t a nce by the very individuals who have come into the witnemi-box to-day to swear to the abilities of Bransby Cooper—inee are the very individuals who have subscribed to crush rue and the .. r ...l)iret in the Lancet's i n t apcy how tlipy have succeeded is hest known to my self' a ri>f the thq have only been bye-words at all events with the libel's.] liar,' or tyie'profe4ou trams Plat JlOlll% I have, it is true; Plihiisrwil lac leOedre4 of other teachers ; and in every instanee where I have antic so, Pr .* te teachers, I have had th e i r p er mi ss i on . gig leas private turns, I believe, of Mr. Green's, on the Diseases of the . Eye, wet•*published from the Th ea t re o f S t . Th omas ' s Hospital, . lut 901 they weie tlelivered there in Sir Astley Cooper'a coarse Piaith s. he 45 coiieet in stating that five of these lectures were ,very inaccurate'," bat thst 0,4)1' ay:::: per fectly correct —the inaccuracy . arose 'Mon B l t the lectures taken at St. Thomas'i Hospibil were so area rat, y 0 , 1414 E 4? ,11,4,t Mr. Abernethy made an affidavit whiCh pre sented to the s i v ; ;;‘ )l l : l l l e rt; o 3 li 7ir i. e i t a h l a ,i t e , th a e s Y li ‘ e ve rad ta delivered ken Wed €or you;d, and them. Now, what tholomew's Hospital ? Is it not public property ? Have the public not a right to it? They base no right there to tdose the doors against the public, A nd to allow nothing but ,/ hole and corner" proceedings. It was a practice I bad iii,b.‘!:ded to retist—it is a practice I have resisted with a estcoOP 1 . 1 • 8 1 ;0?, , .. , c,t4/O believe to the profession as Re-examined—The lectures were incorrectly published only one of them - was free from misrepresentation. Dr. Babington was next called and examined by Mr. Ppt,Lechc—l knew the plaintiff well, and had had con. versations with him upon anatomical subjects, with which he seemed to be perfectly acquainted. The best proof of my conviction of his skill is that I have placed my youngest son under him as an apprentice. Cross-examined.—The apprentices to the surgeons of the hospital -have all their advantages in common. It makes no difference what surgeon they are placed under as to the knowledge they may have an opportunity of ac quiring. Dr. Roget examined—...l have had many opportunities of witnessing Mr. Cooper's practice, and I think that he is a skilful and judicious surgeon. I have read this report, and think that no medical man ought to have written such a report,. _ _ _ Cross-exam:ned-A have never witnessed Mr Cooper perform a capital operation, Those on which I met him were ones of minor importance. Mr. Morgan was next examined, and gave similar tes timony as to Mr. Coopar's abilities. Thig witness was not cross-examined. Mr. lii4ou examinen....l was a pupil at St. Thomas's, and I an) now a4 - sistant,demonstrator. I was at the post mortem examination, and could flat reach the bladder With my finger. I did not witness the operation. Sir A. Cooper—l was supcsnaed by the defendant, and I heard the account given by Mr. Harrison of the educe ;l,l4 if Mr. Bransby Cooper. That account was per-. Lefty orrepi, Mr. B. Cooper had been in my bouse,and had continual owortimities of witnessing my practice. He had opportunities of e;:cperience at Salamanca, Thou louse, and Vittoria, and afterwards it? Canada,l sub- sequently took him as an apprentice, not conceiyitig that the syccies of practice he had witnessed, was the most pi:c per tor ay. hpspital. The plan of placing him as surgeon of the hospital was r c pt mine, but if I thought that he was not fit for the situation, qbould most certainly have opposed his al.,.pointruent. In my pFaOce I have often ea at him as my substitute, which I should n: - 1 have done if 14irI r..9t think him competent. Mr. Bransr”, Cooper when be tit went to the 16pit . al wad a good anatomist, and a very gr,,Gd surgeon, taut he wanted . . . experience in hospital practice. Still y yom man most put be crushed in the outset, or the country will ho depiivq.fj perhaps first rate abilities. The difficulty in the present cr.Ky was, that the stone was enveloped in the folds of the bla4der3, which did not let go its hold of it until the man 'fiequn, very considerably ex hausted, and then it dropped, so th'at the o;ai7ht forceps could patch it. With respect to time, it was not to .e at all considered ..5s a criterion of skill. The stone was snuff, and it should be knnyin, that it was the small stones which ga,used the difficulty, pecause they were often enfolded in the bl4lll.ler. No man could be a iudg: of the opera- . . . . . tion, unlesa he hr.,4 performed it, and no man c;;ld judge of the indivirin3i ea,pe unleas .t. was the'performer. I have been 25 yearn in .pi.:e'Oct 9 ? 41Jd I Lace 0o" year performed the operation of litboOpw J 8 ,titnel. should think it unkind to form an opinion r f the 4il; dig, played in a cue without communicating with the operatOr, for I should be loth to destroy the character of another man, and untvile, because that opinion could scarcely be COM. -.lined by Mr. Wakely—Sir Astley, have you sd surgeon ought to be like a good Ge never said that a goy._ neral, that he should wade to the neck in blood ? Have you not. said so in your lectures to yo:P -tipy.„ Sir A. Cooper—l don't know, I may hivb sometimes fond of using strong expressions. I liKe, short, to be understood. (Great laughter.) I Ildok it one of the greatest evils that a man should be attacised in early life ; and that he should be crushed, be cause he happened to have o4e misfortune, however capable he might be to practice in his profession., It is a power which 1 think the public press ought not to 4a;ie, —(Laughter.) Mr. Wakely—Sir Astley, do you not think that the interests of th e public would be best consulted by having men of experience appointed as surgeons to the Hospitals, and not to appoint them for the purpose of acq4i44g .ex perience ? Sir Astley—l think th a t every h osp it a l oug ht t o h ave an ass;stant-surge on • who would thereby be prepared fur the situation which he would subsequently hold. - I Mr. Wakely—Was 111 r. 13ranshy Cooper un assistant .before he became surg eon ? Sir Astley Cooper.—No, be was adopt in ail of them. he a good regulation to not ; but I think it w0„ . 14 Mr. Wakely—What was the particular difficti)ty in thip case? Sir A. Cooper—There was so little water in the bladder that this man must have made water immediately ~ .. ' ti: •_ .~ `_ .t .. it has been to the public. Now with respect to the other lec• f any man, or any set of men, to convert that lustitutioa tures,which were lectures ofDr. Armstrong, Mr. Lawrence, , a mere School of Anatomy and Surgery, and to overflies Dr. Clutterbuck, Dr. Spurzheim, and• others; they were the wards of the hospital with pupils by making the MO all published with, the consent of the lecturers, and I stated calculated to exclude teaching in county hospitals, so's' that in the first number of the present volume, with a view to make the wards of this hospital a mere nuisance to tb • ,.! that the public might know exactly how the thing stood; puor, instead of a place of peace and quiet and safer' ' with your permission I ,shall read that part of the number, Who will contend for it ? I cannot believe that. any perms . it is exceedingly short, I cannot lay, my band upon it just in this Court possessing even common feriae, Icannot believe , time, but I am sully Sir James Scarlett has been entirely i that any.of you will be found to say that you:are satisfiei l , deceived on this subject. There must have been some gross such a practice should be t'telerattidin 'this ,or any other misrepr e s en t a ti on ma d e to hi m .upon it, You • have bad country. Y et you have heard it is 'done hete,. you kite' no evidenc e t e nder e d t o yo u th a t those lectures it is done, and you have the eviderice of Sir - Attley Cooper'' 'had been stolen, and yet at the very onset of Sir himself, proving it to be so. s James S cae l e tt' s speec h , i t was put to you that nothing Gentletnen, I expected fr om th e onset that olais.ol, would give me greater satisfaction than that I should be a case of so much importance, and that so many interest % o able to destroy the authors of the Lectures ; but, Gentle- were involved in it to persons respecting whom it -hoe ► men, nothing would lessen the charact e r of an author so cerried, that I trusted Sir Jetties Scarlett would not throe much, or he so calculated to injure a work, as unfounded legal technicalities in my way, and in that I have not bee, aspersions, or to publish statements that are incorrect.-- disappointed. Sir J. Scarlett, excepting the attack he made. Having said so muc h on t h e d octr i ne o f L ectures, I shall upon my character this slay, has conducted himsel f, now come to the immediate subject of this case more parti- towards me with the greatest urbanity ; ansi considering * , milady ; and certainly it appears to me the proceedings of that lam altogether inexperienced in courts of law, I fee l this day are the most peculiar that ever took place in a that I have received very great indulgence from •him, fo r Court of Justice, In feet, they are so extraordinary that I fear that I have given him a great deal of trouble. I cannot—l cannot by possibility, find words to express the When a gentleman, Mr. Harrison, was willed open; t ° astonishment I feel, after the boasting and vanity of yes- state if the testimonials of Mr. Bransby Cooper were pro' terday morning, and after the boasting and vanity of this duced when he was elected to the office of surgeon to GIO) morning. Why, Gentlemen, if it was true that this re- Hospital, that gentleman stated it was not necessary, fo r port was a fabricati o n fro th beginning to end—that it ori- that he bad always been under their own ginated in nothing but malice—that it had its foundation in fact, that the whole house were disposed to elect a private quarr e l between Mrs Lambert and Mr. Bransby hint. What he meant by the whole house I do.O l ' Cooper--and, in fact, that the operation, as reported in the know ;—whether he meant the bricks and mottle Lancet, Was a supposed—merely a supposed operation— of which the building is composed, whether he meant the what are the facts? From one of the plaintiff's own wit- nurses in it, or whether he meant some other materials 11 ' h! nesses you ha ve h ear d th a t t h ere were present near l y 200 inanimate, it is impossible for me to know ; but it is a soli individuals,—l believe there were more. How many curious fact, that when the appointment of Mr. Bransby gentlemen hav e com e forward—how many of the spectators Cooper took place, Sir Astley Cooper was appointed c on- '. of that operation—how many have come forward to suiting surgeon, and Mr. Callaway assistant-surgeon a t the speak to the inaccuracy of the report—how many, I say? very same tissue. John H un t er used to say, th a t b a d sur- Out of 200 sp ec t a t ors — one; a so li tary one! Why, it goons were like had carpenters—that they made work one speaks more, that one f a ct carries with it more than I for another, and that good surgeons in fact would sterile could communicate to you in a month. What, not with if it were not for unskilful .ones.—(Laughter.)—lt seem. all Mr. Bransby C oo p er ' s i n fl uence , not w i t h a ll hi s power that John H un t er ' s ax i om found its way into Guy's at Guy's Hospital, not able to prod uce b u t one witness ? Hospital, fo r p resum i ng on what the operations e t t And who have come forward to speak to the inaccuracy of Bransby Cooper would be, it was thought necessary to elect . th e Report ? Gentlemen from St. Georges's Hospital, a consulting surgeon and an assistant surgeo n at th e game Sir Astley Cooper, fr om C on d u it- s t reet , Dr. Babington, time, to do the additi ona l wor k. (Continuedlaughten) fienn Aldersuanbury, and I cannot conceive why they I really can give no other explanation whatever o n the have not also brought forward the Emperor of China three appointments on the same day ; because the surgeon° . and the Great Mogul.--fßoars of laughter.)---It is the were young men, the contemporaries of Mr. Bransby" grossest insult ever offered to a Jury, or that ever was ex- Cooper were young men, and when there were two 0 0 :A hibited either in this or in any other Court ! AreyoU to men, and one young man, there was no assistant surgeon , be so blinded, so deceiv e d, so dup e d, as to b e made to no consulting surgeon. Therefore taking all the circuit's . believe' that this operation was a supposed operation, and stances into consideration, viewing. it simply as a matte , that the report I have published is an incorrect report, when between BransbyCooper and the Governors of Guy's . Hospitals only one witness out of two hundred comes fo rwar d t o an d not as a matter between the public and Guy's Hospital, attest its inaceuracy? Why, I never heard,—l never you must perceive, you must believe, and you can come to 'g heard of a proceeding so extraordinary ! I never saw no other conclusion whatever, that it was entirely o wing , a proceeding which at all could be considered as coin- to the relationship in which Mr. Bransby Cooper stood ate ing within the bound s o f pr o bability wh e n compared Guy's Hospital that he was elected to the office of surgeon ' 0 with this. I knew, Gentlemen, when I made my elec- there. In the absence of all testimonials, would he eye ) tion to conduct thy ow n cau s e, I s h o uld lose the' have been in that office had he not been related to Sir benefit of two most abl e sp eec h e s, a n d th e support Astley Cooper? It is a question which I wish you all to Of two most able advocates, from the rul e of the Court and ask yourselves ; and, having once asked yourselves the'," etiquette of the bar. I also knew, in making my election, question, lam certain that I deall be perfectly well satin that I should he opposed to a gentleman of unrivalled legal tied with the answer you will give. learning, and unrivalled ingenuity ; hut I must confess, Something has been said relative to advertisers:teats. Ob, • after having heard so much of that gentleman's talent, I slid it could not satisfy rue, or please Isle, unless Advertisements not, I could not, expect that he would have made such were inserted—unless Advertisements were sent to the declarations as he slid this morning, and at the same time Lancet, or some other Newspaper or Journal. Gentle - know it was not in his power to rouse forward and sub- men, it is considered, and I have always heard it said, that ' stautiate scarcely a single thing he said. The loan was repre- you have a greater chance of getting men of talent front • boatel as coining from Lewes, in Sussex, and that it was a large number of individuals than from a small number; difficult case ; the surgeons of Lewes could nut operate and I think that the offices in Guy's Hospital would be' upon him, arid consequently he was sent to London to be much better filled if the profession generally knew when under the skilful treatineot of Mr. Bransby Cooper, at those offices became vacant, that men of talent, ability, and' t Guy's Hospital. Have the surgeoas . of Lewes come for- i n d ustry, might have an opportunity of coming forward to 14 ward to make any such statement ? H ave t h ey sa id t h ere offer themselves as candidates to fill those o ffi ces ; men of Cie ~ 1 was any thing extraordinary in the case before the o p era - perience and men of learning--men who bad not to learn ,1 tiou was began ? Nothing of the kind— n o such evidence their profession, and to learn it upon the misfortune of , a has been adduced, and consequently that declaration, like their fellow-beings, but men who had acquired a knowledge.' many others, has, in point of fact, no foundation whatever. of it by a regular comae of study, and who would m o ther* Sir Jas. Scarlett spoke of the taste with which my work with all the plenitude of iuformation and the fullest hotel - *'• was conducted, and spoke of the utter want of feel- 'actual powers. We all know that when iudividuals ate ing that must have characterised my conduct in stimulated by the prospect of office they become more giving currency to this report. Sir James Scarlett dustrious, more anxious to qualify themselves for the din spoke of the hireling Lambert, employed at eight guineas a charge of the duties.of their profession, in the hope o f at month to send me communications ; but Sir James Scar- mining the highest situation, the greatest quantity of ertme lett forgot that he himself was acting for hire. Gentle- !mow, and the largest share of honour; hot he w men we ate all hired, we all work for lucre, and Sir James can such a thing exist with respect to Guy'a Hospital,' Scarlett has worked for lucre, and is working for lucre as if such a course of proceeding is continued which is practieed well as I have and as well as Lambert has.--( Laughter.) there ! It eau never happen —never can there be such offi- Yois have heard, Gentlemen, the nam e of Bat men- sere, as if they were elected from the great body of the ale. tioned. It has been states! that there must be a great ducal profession. I wish, now, Gentlemen, to direc t y our want of taste, a great w an t o f propr i ety i n my con d uct, attention nowe particularly t o th e f ac t s o f tots case--be in using such a term. But if Sir J, Scarlett had studied cause, if those facts remain uneontrudicted, then, I be zoology, he would have found that the word i s exceedingly lieve, that the conclusion which I have arrived at will he accurate when applied to the description of beings to whom arrived at by every one of you,—(Mr. Wakely became it is applied, and I have no doubt that it will be retained now so exhausted, as to be under the- necessity of ' as unanswerable in future times. If we have Mists in withdrawing for a few minutes into the open the political state; why should we not have Bats in the On his return he resumed :)—Gentlemen, I have.. surgical ? lam sure that hospital surgeons are j ust as muc h , to apologise for this short interruption I have °pea-. or much more, like bats, than Sir James Scarlett is like slimed; but really I am so exhausted front the beat' sour milk—(l3iirsts of laughter)—and yet that is what to that lam almost incapable-of speaking, as well as from this meant by the term Whig. The conduct of hospital two days' great anxiety I have laboured under, I believe surgeons warrants the application of the term to them. when I left the Court, I had just been speaking of the Jr Bats belong to the claws rnammalia; they live in the sence of the person on behalf of the plaintiff who had with) dark, they _suckle their young, they live in creaks and nesscd this operation ; and I believe, if Sir James Scarlet . j crevices of old walls, hospitals, and dungeons, thriving bad opened this case, as he wished to have done, yestersithr and fattening on their own species, and I fear that it is too morning, that I should not have called a single Whims °. frequently the case, that hospital surgeons thrive and fatten for I am convinced I could fully have substantiated tt in the same manner on their fellow creatures, case from his -witnesses, and from them •Gentlemen, when I opened my case yesterday morning As to the technicalities of the pleas, I hope, in 'hi 't was I told you I had every reaso n t o b e li eve , beforel pub- case o f thi s ki n d, t h ey will lie considered entire', one lished the r e po r t whi c h you h ave h ear d rea d , an d w hi ch i s Out of the question. Bransby Corner charges we' 1 . 7 a t incorporated in the d ec l ara ti on , th a t i t was true ; with having falsely and maliciously injured him by the is 1 1. :"ath you h ear d m e s t a te, th ere f ore , t h at I h a d every publication of a report of an operation which is altogether. ('''lt t J e udi reason then te believe it was t rue , I now b e li eve unfounded. Hflisominjtuhrayt,rethpeonrth;mwuestmhtatsvteettoloisefion; o t u f r h it e o h m o ,:.; s l 4 4 P I del report, and if th e b a l ance o f test i mony he' 14 1 t ' everyit i o reasontrue, aanisdo to I b b e e l e v e e - e , it G is en tr tl u e e m . en, u t!i e at wi y t o ne hi ss h eg av l e e s t u r s i ta tt i ly ne t d o a t n h y e , have placed in the box, and who were spectators of that in my favour, beyond all question I am eatitled troyour e h' t tl ts horrid scene, have giv en e vid e nc e which remains un - ver d ict, Now, Gentlemen, ask yourvelves--deliberatell I: e e 0 touched—wholly unc on t ra di c t e d. I do not know o f a ask yourselves, if it can be possible that that report is in-Vt 'Lk" single fact r e pres e nt e d i n th e r e port that has b een re f ute d . correct, when only one individual out of two hundredji so ar Ido not know of a s ingle statemerat made in the report spectators of the' operation comes forward to deny its CY ri an that has b een p r ov e d t o b e false . The evidence of Mr. accuraey ? And I beg of you to remember the it ; . be Bolton, of M r . Partridge, of Mm. Thomas, of Mr. Pearl, of manner in which its accuracy was depied even by that one'l," t h ;tlini Mr. Gilbert, and of Mr. Lambert, remains uncontradict- witness, at first indeed denied, but subsequently he did not 'l 1 :1 4 the ed. Mr. Clapham's evidence Ido not name, in con- deny its accuracy in any tole material part. Mr. Callaway, C g ites sequence of the circumstance which has now trans- adltlittod that the knives had been used, that the gorget hat" ctt 2 ho t pired, and the exhibition that has just taken place.... been used,---I believe even a blunt gerget, Mr Callaway ad-' hi e - 1 :( 1 - th Mr. Clapham I load no knowled ge o f till . yesterday ; I ; pi t i e d h a d b een use d. CC , • never saw him till yesterday ;, I never spok e to him LORD CHIEF JUSTICE-He said he thought it was not J . e tifitht till then; and though such a tt ac k s h ave b een ma d e he did riot think it was; be did not know, but h e htlitystk gi: :410 n,43. •on the character of my witn esses , t h ou h so much has it was not. d b ee n said of what took place out of Court respecting lee- Mr. wakely_Repli,d, very well, he believed it woe t e O' l T tires that have been give's, yet, out of maitre witnesses I have - not ; all the stars, and sounds, and forceps, inentivah h , ojttlht placed in the boo, never saw five of th en) , no ever spoke e d in the Report, were feted. He would not swear the' a' hal' to five of them, till yesterday. If there be deserepaoey in operation did not last an hour, but he believed it hatted ;1 Ltt*orld their evidence, with regard 'to the manner its which about fifty minutes. The preparation, Gentlemen, of the• t e Woo the instruments we r e toe d, w h o can b e surpr i se d parts taken from the untortonat e map's body have been ', l g roan at that circumstan ce , w h en you 1 4 „ ye b ear d • from p ro d uce d in Cow, bare not, certainly, h a d a very f a it h mg the month of every witnese the state of m 41 441 011 opportnnity of inspectiog them, bat as for at I teosold judgat i e . ,sae fi in which the operator was when operating? linty is it there was oat les any part of that peeporation, either agile' ot t t :eto possible that the witnesses could rerperpfior what was Ms- bladder or the passage leading to it, the slightest reason' ot and ing, when it has been roved to yoo that the operator hint, w hy an y delay should have taken place in the extraction E,t sowr li did nnt kpqw wlia; he was doing rihltone kir , of the stone. It is true Sir Astley Cooper has come ;5, 1 1 . riu Partridge, M r . lamb et t, M r . p e a r l, an d M r . Gilb ert, ward, and very properly came forward, to wait en he- . O'n v t• spoke to th e fon i4 se d state o f ns i o d i n whi c h h e was. half of hie nephew ; and Sir Astley Cooper has told you the the r, Mr. Callaway, indeed, 11us opposfil them, and has stated s t on e was lodged within thy fulo,s of the hf,4le . v, IYLi.k ie . 4i t it si that the operatiou w a s no t so muc h confused ! Wh en Mr. cowmen thing, and thot in that situation his nephew e s - i t 4l . l tabl Callaway was asked if the imeretor had yk.4 feret e, Isis eon woe incapahle of 'extracting it. Sir Astley Cooper ad the r taut, iiression; wao—" thiola pot /noels," or " I thiuk same time considers, and all the other hospital surgeonte . .,: lint more than was neceseary.'' Bht What pat tof the re poet did considered, for it is an interested question with *tie, W hen I 'basking Mr. Callaway prov e to be i imorrec t? hie evi- t h ey a ll cona td er Mr. Bransby Cooper is, 4 alt4fulinati, yet l ':shes a demure as having w e i g ht, even as against ' tyre evidenc e of while performin g th e opototion, While' he' had his fingth ats't tleset five, or,at least of four disinterested spectators, leaving Nr, th, F.1.04 . ;ate giao, while lie had his forceps in the bladder, ,a. ► stat Lambert opt of the ques ti o n , shag tile writer of the while he hod his finger in the bladder, yet this skilful On lie s• of • to 'see that I • • ' report, and Won. e ,eonrse, what lie operator was incapable of describing why he could not - en- jt ; had stated would be simpoeted by others, is there a tingle tract the stone, and he made that statement in the preeenht • 1. 4 of fact in the Opoit th a t you can call to your recollection Mr. of the patient !Do you believe, Gentletueq, that Pt' 9Pera.• ` t pause Calla Way hy his evidericelae Feinted ? Is there one cir- tOr conid have beep in a stale of thirtßossetsion to have de- l ing w enrn - ttglihe? I anises if ti - tp report Was ciirre9t dared, 4} the presence and in the hearing of him i n t o wh o se • i „tectun or incorrect, .andle, could clot potlit ot;t ,r other, body fie wag pinning instruments, that h e c ould n ot ; I (ible. Ho thought much force was not used, and he thought no deserille the cause of difficult) ; that he could not enter- , )hells be more force had been used than teas necessary; yet thi s is tain the cause of difficulty—the patient him se lf a t th e sam e , t 9 shot, the case which was to breakdown, an d i n w hi c h t h e L earne d time imploring ' to be loosened. Yet in opposition to the ::the t Gentleman would not have an o p por t un i ty o f pro d uc i ng patient ' s cries—in opposition to his repeated entreaties to ,tewas Isis witnesses to prove the high character of the plaintiff! be unbound—still the operator kept him upon the table, There is one part of m y case , G ent l emen,w hi c h appeared and pertinaciously persisted in his attempt to extract en . eorrieWhOt whale until oety Itte this evening, and which is the stone, although, from his own statement, he had no i t Mtrpaq Telatirhg to ifdiumme of She Astley Copper -ro h balite chance of eztrectihg thi • o , I tttfe i t ; f:44d40, d ot ., iiff,iii,orqui,a tibseit4r.f but • Sit stiOntinot• gnoWirli 'wh P cie the difficulty existed , not ter Astley grated in 1110 box, that knowing how touch his knowing what part was malformed, because he said 110 . f lue pre interests were concerned, they were anxious to place could not feel it with the forceps, although he could feel it rtl from Mr. Bransby Cooper in the office of surgeon, and, said with the sound through the urethra, and even when intro' • ,e!?unial, 4 t f Sir Astley, " g i ve hi m time—let him work his wa y, duced thro ug h th e woun d i n t h e per i oeimo 'kni n i - t! r. have no doubt swill be a most excellent, a most This, Gentlemen, br!rr ge Fe to a epos/tent to speak o ',tee tiffishriesiogerso, t moat hrilli4nt oherato.rr! .0"It is th at What,' 4 1 ,14 YdiChaVitt liehrahmuclhbrit"to-dityt of what n'Y the the ova )' otir' hOspintle are . ; to bti voridni:t . ee? ; entninet , •'untsi" have 'been to' have ' published a' repot' , 4 tt Idi that the mode in' which our poor patients are to be treated'? of this description when I entertain no: enmity to- pet Firei,that young mid inexperienced men are be placed there wards the luau, and no attempt whatever has been ;, he learn their profession—not to know it before they get made to sheiv that Ido now entertain the 'slights *' .. hi 4 4 1Ifish 'ehere, hot tre to eo the re t o l earn it, an d learn it upon enmity towards , Mr. Bransby Comter- h -Ced Lowe too, tt : i"Rtn ? thit4eth'ah •44, tp4oo fpr 4 broey,, a' retie kettinbOtatillnlekthOthliy tona l , er tit best and most ecientine practice of surgery as an; inutiletAti in social life duseatnot 'exist than Bransby Cooper ; but , 7 . guari in this /and. For , t o w hom d o es Guy's Hospital belong ? no t am not h ere d ea li ng w i t h h im in that character, I inn deal - . how „ to the Governors, but to the poor, and who are in consequence i ng w i t h hi m as a p u bli c f utict i onary—it is i n that aurae; he at t l of the funds of that Institution title to hav e , an d h ave a ter I attack him, and Id o a tt ac k him as en iticon . meien t t ed tb right, to the very best practice that can be obtained, - surg e on ' of Guy's Hospit a l, Weill we have heard mu c h ilme. t Ott.While i ouit t 'for t r kno r.[.T ;i, l ad h h a nal L 4 " - i6l L ° Per — a ')4 the WOI 11) ` u t it • 4„ 1 41 rte If , q , L it tart. 4, ve the, belt) ilothe Wtat, tit ai of w the evade Un I Sill ;i~uct is i i f 4 abs of . th 1 7ital. f,„eteive