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The applicaoou of it, it* provi1.1(11 by the Bill, was called for by the ne cessity of the case. 'Earl (Grey) that evening. He had to state that he very lately received two letters from the Noetfx of England, and he was now desirous of commu nicating their nature and tendency to the House, as he was under the necessity of speedily leaving town. • One of these respected the circumstance of a reverend brother ofthe Noble Earl, to whom he alluded being constrained to leave his place of residence and to repair for : safcty to the town of Newcastle. The letters were read by the - Nolile Earl (Sratlimore), and that'r,ferrintt more particularly to this suitioct, describer, that the Hon. and Re v. Gentleman vcas at this time at his house, and hail no intent;on of quitting it. If the (koger e:ioult4 become alattni.,g, he Would send his family to some place of safety. but for himself he would not desert his post. 'The second letter reterred to by his Lordship, contained ifflorma. tion nearly similar, and the writer con g ratulated the palish on the return of its Pastor. He was happy to find that the form , r statement, as far as it applied to the Gentlenian alluded to, was not correct, He understood that an Honour. able- Baronet had written to the Mayor of New castle, in order to learn whether the statement which he (Lord S.) had made relative state of the poor in that part of the North, WA:4 well founded. The answer proved his statement was not exaggerated. He also observed that' the information which he had given was chiefly con.. fitted to manufacturers it; Iron Wolks, and to per sons employed in the collieties; it did not extend to agrirtiltnris!s, of whose loyalty he entertained no doubt ; and added, that this information pro ceeded from a quarter on which he placed great reliance.e—Adjuumed. P ll HE PRINCIPAL OFFICERS of His M2l - JESTY'S ORDNANCE do hereby give _Notice that they will Sell by PUBLIC AUCTION, at the T ow er, Tuesday, the 14th day of December next, at Eleven liTtock in the Forenoon precisely, sundry Lots of NEW, 11 1 41) , and UNSERVICEABLE STORES; consisting y , 7 t tottrements, Tarpaulins, Hides, Saddlery and Har !ss, Clothing and Bedding, Empty Barrels, and Charcoal, t'geTher with carious other Articlei; 7 4 whole Of which may be viewed upon application at the ncipal Storekeeper's Vire, in the Tower, until the day of 441 e, except the Barrels and. Charcoal, whirls are to he seen, ill eformer at the Thyal Laboratory, Woolwich, and the lat e," at the Royal Powder Works, Faversham; at all which j :lrices printed Lists of the Luts will be delivered to those l'er.OUS who may apple for Mat purpose. HOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, DEC. 9. Lord ELLENBOROUGU seemed to approve gene rali7 of the measure, but he thought the intro duction of a proviso cvhich he should suggest would meet most of the objections urged against the Bili in its present shape. Titis was read by the Noble Lord, and appeared to be to the fol lowing effect, that after the words " seditious libels," should be' inserted, " as were calculated to bring into, hatred or contempt his Majesty's Person and Government, or either House of Par or to aim at the subversion of the COD in.r(Aurch and S!ate,, as by law esta blished . Srig . eci• By Order of the Board, R. H. CREW, Secretary. COUNTY FIRE OFF!CE, REOENT•STREET. The Earl of Lyntneoot. had no objection to the amendment, but said that after the words " Ma gistrates," these, "'or the Prince Regent," should be inserted, to which the Noble Mover forthwith assented. 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By ARTHPB VENNEY, tic an of Achonry, and lni e Fellow of Trinity College, 1) 4 b . " . This Work comprises a 'View of the Principles and Lo i t s ti ces of I ' n: t en d e d Reformers :-1. Which caused the Re hio"" against Charles 1.-2. During, the Rebellion and the Usurpation.-3. At tlit, preseut Thor. ti lL: ' l ettd for F. C. and J. Rivinton, No. E 2, St. Paul's re lll'ard, and No. Waterloo-p!uce, Previous to the Order of the Day being.eutered upon, The Earl of CARNARVON presented a Petition from a person named Abel Downer, and cerai,t others, whose names were thereu n to . subscribed, c ,, mnltoning of certain misrepresentations, which they alleged were. made in parts of the evidence published relative to the.proceedings on the 16th of August, at Manchester, and implicating their conduct, &c. and averring that the young man named Edmund Dar,'ley, was so severely wound ed on that day, as that tie died in consequence in the Infirmary ; and praying that the Bills now before Parliament, tending to abridge the right s and liberties of the subject, may not pass into law without investigwion mod inquiry into the subject.—The Petition being read, was ordered to lie on the table INDICTMEN't"CRAVERSE BILL. The Report. o the Committee on this Bill being taken unto (insider:llion, a conversation of some, ensued, in which Lord Holand, the Lord , the Earl of Liverpool, and the Mar quis 0! Lansdown. were the principal Speakers. Se eral Amemtowent s, chiefly of a veibal na , tire, wer, NoL;ges!ed by the Noble Lord on the Wool sack. agre , d to by their Lordships. Loin HOLLAND re-urged some of his former ob• jectioni agains he Bill, more particularly on the grotord of irs cur - Omie rights which the stinjcct, .accused, had long enjoyed, while it left the A'torney-General in full possession of those formidable powers and advatuages, which, the public accuser, were yes , ed in hint In the ylew Ott counteracting, in some degr ee, the ill ef fect of such measure, he moved the introduction of a clause or proviso to :hr. following purport At informations flied by the Attorney-General snonld he p: , )ceeited upon wit! in 18 months, itl lep, good cause was shown to the Court.to the contrary. On tl►is pr►►position the rEscushion principally turqe.l Th.' LORD CHANCELLOR expressed his vrilhOg iLtider the meas , re as onolajectioriable as possible, consistently , vith the onje , ;l, ‘v.iich was 07. e of great puld‘c importance. After a few re marks upon the subjec• , t t a legal point of view, Ire -rated his intent ion between that stage and the bird reacting of toe Bid, to turn over the point in his mind, whets he might suggest some provi i ci to meet the object aimed at, free trout those objections to which he • conceived the proviso to be liAbie. Lord Iiou.AND expressed his •approbation..of what had fAllen trom the Noble and. Learned Lord, and obs,.rved, that if it shouLi he deemed a more convenieut course, be was willing to with draw the proposition. The Lop]) CnariceLLoa shortly explained, and seemed io adver t. the expediency of having the object cou.emplated by the N-ble Lord made the subject of a separate The Marquis of LANSDOW N also approved of what fell from the Noble Lord, but he :bought, it the third reading were to be proposed to,mor row, the interval would he too short. lie hoped there would be no quesiion to delay the ,third readinz till Monday, as no emergency existed to iirstiyy a hasty passing of The BM. The Earl of LIVERrOOL conceived the►c was no obirction to postpone the third reading till MOO cloy or Cue,d;►y. In the interval, it fumy be con sidered whether a separate Bill might not be the more eligible course. After a tew words front the LORD CHANCRI.- LOH, the Report was agreed to, and the third reading postponed till Monday. the ing ;TAI. Ali lers fur ,utii- lcn , Its [rd. H (1.. iVX . 1 of Ibe ►ich I.4ve n►ea alr'g ter, tn(t, Co ved ail • . ilAsc Vo- u lii ap'" Re• -- , m•••••••• - -.--• ~, 911. 7 3 . Oa. .s. ULt, tTse Us. 1- 1, . ) lottey reCtiV e feLli ce rectiO pct 010 A Rer [,ad} 4 lee. t; dge, ' nd, °4 Z 3 .l o bit t of 111. 4e og . bidst 01 6 re. ' ss r•l ),• tt • • 01,'; PRESIDENT, The Most Noble the 'Marquess of BUCKINGHAM. kta Vice-Puns' ocx, s, 1 16 tquess of Salisbury, K.G. Viscount Clietwynd, IT I r i (4 Hartricke, Viscount Duncannon, "ItOunt Bulkeley, Lord Bravbrooke. TRUSTEES. t ot The Marquess of BUCKINGHAM, • t i d Ilraybrooke, Wilhal) Praed, Esq. r I. Morland, Bast. M. P. I Genr,,ze Duckett, Esq. F.R.S. , . . 41 4 Anti Sixteen Directors. lb" Ring Director—J. T. Barber Beaumont, Esq. F.A .. ERSONS iiienred for LIFE iu this OFFftE h p share the Profits Septennially with the Ori;inal Mou t/tilt according to their respective contrilintionet—Thus, by thespecific suMs insured, and continzerit profits, they have , 43 fullest value for their payments. in a manner neat I y si loar to that until lately adopted in the Equitah:e Office, tv ~,,,. wall this presumed improvement, viz tlia a , the 41:gins-it M em b ers h ave raised a permanent fund, d-emed th . "Y su ff icient for flee purpose of indemnity, it. is provided, t 'it 1. 0 personal respons ibili ty s h a ll attaci , to t h e o li cy °4 lcrs• Hence t hose who seek protection arc secured from ii i:Minty and ri,li of loss as in a Proprietary Office , having i ll ,r',' inheritable capital, and are entitled to a participation "t profits, as in a Union Society. The firs t lit _ ae septennial investigation wa, in tsts,when 131. Se. 1 , 1 " cent. was divided. The second septennial division wiil ik !le place nex t y ear , i n w hi c h p er s on s op e ni n g polkies at " r stime will participate. 7 a ttiiitary Men insured at this Office are not charged with tedeliti mta l premium unless called into actual service. G." Admission Fees are reqnired, nor is any charge made Policies, except the stamp duty. ..._. SEDITIOUS AND BLASPHEMOUS LIBELS. On the consideration of the Report ot this Bill, a discussion of considerable length ensued. Lord HOLLAND said, he considered the 8.11 as it then stood, to be unnecessary, and likely to prove mischievous. He felt it his duty to suggest several amendments, With a view to ren d er it less objectionable. Noble Lords had complained that bla,phemous puhlications had much increased ; but he believed they had not in proportion ►o the issues from the press generally. The greater pry of the Noble Lord's arguments were directed against those parts of the Bill which related to the publication of seditious libel. To several of its provisions, in this resprc►, he strongly object ed, and to the correction of those his proposed Amendments were chiefly directed. The import of the word, seditious libels was, he contended, far front being sufficiently clear or definite. He was the more anxious on this head, as the Bill went to affix t►ea' pnnishn►ents. Indeed, he thought the proposed enactments were well worthy a re ference to the Judges, as, perhaps, in no in stance were .the rights of British .subjects none involved. He considered the introduction ot banishment as an alternative of punishment, as highly objectionable, and among others, in a political' point of view, as eventually tending to afford foreign countries a pretext for -inter ference in the domestic concerns of this ; he considered it as inconsistent with a long standing principle of English Law. Indeed, he was op posed to the application of additional punish ments, as he thought the repressing of the offences in question were n►uth better left to the existing laws of the land. The Noble Lord concluded by proposing several Amendments (of which some were of a verbal nature) tending to give effect to what he had particularly advanced in argument. The Earl of HARROWBY contended that the law as it then stood was greatly inadequate to meet or repress the growing i e l v o i , l l s e % r m! s la o it a te g t g r l o a r.. The punishments were not , valet' as the Noble Lord seemed to think, for Lord ERSKINE spoke at some length. Ilis sen timents were generally opposed to the measure, and he particularly censured the removal of per sons convicted of blasphemous or seditious libels to infant colonies, as likely to corrupt or vitiate :he society in those Establishments. The exist ing laws were in his mind adequate to the pro posed end—a power of increased punishment al ready existed. Of these the Noble and. Learned Lord adduced some illustrations. With the amend tnent proposed by his Noble Ft ieud ( Lord E.) he disagreed ; the latter part of it he conceived to he enneeessary, and he suggested the propriety of its •missiou. He was adverse to any thing tending to diminish the constitutional rights of the people, end they were entitled to the discussion o: many topics, which coeld not be fairly said to be enter ed into with at, intention to subvert the Govern.- flout of the country. Earl BATHURST ably supported the Bill, and argued that its•provisions were called for by the obvious necessity of the case. y were pal o cularly calculated to meet the dangerous offence of seditious libels, but he d:ffered aeeerially from the Noble and Learned Lord respecting the sys tem of transportre ion to lioany Bay. A different species of punishment front that. of transportatihn, was proeided for at the discretion of the Judges, and the terror of the additional puuishment was most likely to operate beneficially. Upon the wltrele, beconceived that no sound objection was offered the Bill as proposed. Lord HOLLAND spoke at some length in ex planation; he supported the objections adduced by his Noble Friend (Lord Erskine), and seemed to entertain strong dollits as to the propriety of aereeing to the Amendment proposed by the Noble Lord near hint (Lott! Ellenborough). The offence of sedition was not defined with sufficient distinctive accuracy. ,The question •of Annual Parliaments and Universal Stiff+ age may be discus sed abstractedly without ally fair imputation of a design to overthrow the established Govern• men:. Ile was against any thing in the nature of a violent inuendo. Many productions may so he construed as tending to bring the Govern inent into hatred and con , empt, but which would Well short, as he. coin elven them, of the ideas of the Noble Lords opposite, one of whom, on a hirm , :r night, he 'unders:ood o say, that the mea sure went chiefly to refer to Malignant and Sedi tious Libels. Part of the Noble Lord's Amend ment he thought unohjectuniable, but the test he thought it woulo be better to omit. To speak of an intention to sativert the Government by acts of violence he had no objection, hut any language short of implying such an intention, he thought should not be introduced ono the 'llse Earl of 11411KoWBY and Lord HOLLAND respectively explained. The Earl -ot LIVERPOOL adverted to the diffi culty of precisely defining the import of the words ." Seditious Libel," in Acts . of Legislation. To a certain extent, it was unavoidably left loose and general. The language of the Amendment (we understood the Noble Minister to say) was appro priate. The Bill, however, only affected the pre vious case of libel, -as it provided an additional punisliment in a certain case, and the real question as to the decision of what was a Seditious Libel, was still left to the discretion of the Jury. Lords HOLLAND and ELLENBOPOUGH again spoke in explanation, as did Lord,EaStetNit. The LORD CHANCELLOR seemed of opinion that publications tending to bring into contempt either lloese of Parliament were clearly seditious ; but the words should be used generally when de ' signaling the offence in legislation. With re spect to what was said of the publication of a Noble Duke (now no more), as reerring to An nual Parliaments and Universal Suffrage, were tie in a situation so as to give an opinion upon it at the time, he should have no hesitation, on the pt inciple of its tending to bring either [louse of Parliament into hatred and contempt, in saying that it was a seditious libel. After some further conversation, in which the Earl of DARNLEY delivered his sentiments, the ptOviso or amendment proposed by Lord ELLEN- BuUOUGH, was agreed to those suggested by Lord HOLLAND Were in general rejected. The Bill was thet► oitivred ro be read the third time toi-inerrokr, and the Earl of CARNATtVON an nounced his invention of submitting to the House a motion to liu►ir the duration of the Bill. STATE OF TWO NORTHERN COUNTIES. The EMI of STRATI-11%1°Ra expresetl his regret at the absence, front indispotition, of a Noble HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr, L. FoasTER gave notice that he wnnld move (atter the Recess) for leave to hung in a Bill fur the Regulation of Union Societies in Ire land. WESTMINSTER PETITION. Sir F. BURDETT preiented a Petition, which had been mgreed to by a very numerous, orderly, and respectahie Meeting. The Petition express ed t h ose sentiments which might naturallrbe ex pected to be inspired by the inroar's attempting to be made in the Constitution of this C00n7,-y ; and it expressed, es strongly as justly, their dissatis faction at the pending measures, while they called ou the House to allow time for the Nation at large to make known their sentiments on the ex pediency Of !visaing those Bills, which were ac knowlt dged on all hands to be a violation of the Constitution. 'the danger, he thought, -ryas not so pressing, but that time might br allowed for this purpose, and he could see no reason why the House should deny itself like benefit of knowing what were the feelings excited in Cie Country by the conrse which Ministers now thought it their duty to purs,c. He moved that the Petition should be read. Mr. LANIBToN, in rising to second the motion, with which he mo t heartily concurred, took oc casion to state, that he had received a comniqui cation from a part of elm country which was con sidered to he in a disturbed state, to wi,ich ate hoped the Noble Secretary of State tor Foreign .Affairs would allow him le call his attention.— The letter alluded to a statement recetvly made of 700 men having gone armed to a Meeting held on the Town Moor at Newca,tie. 'The communica tion which he held in his hand expressed asto nishment at the representation , contained in a letter written by Mr. Archibald Read to Lord Sid mouth, in which the Reformers of that neigh bourhood found themselves charged with having concealed arms. That this statement was utterly untounded, the parties concerned felt it their duty w assert, and to invite 'inquiry, that they might be enabled more completely to refute the calumny. It was further stated, that so far from having gone armed to the late Meeting, the Reformers bad not even taken walking sticks with them. The charge of 700 men having gone in the Way described Co the Meeting was so utterly destitute of truth, that, but for the importance of its being known to the country at large that it was false, they would on ly have met it with silent contempt. Such was the declaration of the Reformers in that part of the country ; and unless it was known that they were men loSt to all sense of shame, and utterly re gardless of truth, he (lid nut see but their state ment should be entitled to credence. lie had another commuttication in his hand, which helitad received front an itnlividual of the greatest respec tability, on the subject of those reports lately made respecting the difpOsition of the inhabitants of the county of Durham.. This letter contradicted 'hose reports, eett described what had appe:rded in the letter of the Mayor of Newcastle to be lithe better titan rhodomoutade. There was Mit 1,01:Pt on which he wished to ask the Noble Lotd a question. He desired to know whether or not a comninnication had been received from the De pity -Lieutenant of the county, describing that part of the country to he perfectly quiet ? From all he (Mr. Latobton) had been the to hear, he was led to believe that the alarming accounts re ceised from that quarter rested solely on terms made by interested persons. One statement which had been made a tew - evenings hack, the public would learn from what would pass in ano ther place that night, was quite without founda tion. He alluded to that, accdrding to which an Honourable and Reverend Relation of his had been compelled to leave his residence by the pro ceedings of rime disaffected. Such was not the fact, and he bad only removed from his former residence on account of the peculiar situation of part of his family, and the individual alluded to was not at all 4isposed to credit the rumotirs which were afloat of the alarming state of that part of the country. For himself, relying with