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EVENING SUN under this Government. I think that, proceeding to subject the Raja to trial by a Commission would be a course very much open to suspicion and misrepresenta tion, however that Commission might be constituted. I know that, from the civil and military services of India, there would be no difficulty whatever in selecting Com missioners who would perform their duty without regard to anything but justice ; but I need not add, that in the conduct of States, as of individuals, it is most important not only to avoid wrong, but to make this avoidance ap parent, and to place the character of the State for inte grity and good faith beyond the possibility of question. " For this reason I should desire, if practicable, to avoids the trial of an issue, in which the British Govern ment is a party, before a tribunal which must, of neces sity, be composed of its own servants." And then he added—" Tho Raja of Sattara cannot be regarded as a very formidable foe to the British Empire, and those with whom he has been connected are as little formidable as himself." On the 20th of June, 1839, the Governor writes : " In continuation of my minute of yesterday's date, I now beg to submit to the Board my views regarding the mode in which I think our intentions towards the Raja of Sattara should be carried into effect. " It will not be consistent with our proposed amnesty for the past, to make any demand which can justly be regarded as a punishment ; and, under this impression, I at once abandon the measure which appears to have been thought of by the Government of the late Sir Ro bert Grant, of requiring the Raja to maintain a contin gent of horse for the service of the British Government. " Our demands should be limited as much as possible, and should be confined only to those which will again place the Raja in the precise situation intended by the treaty of September, 1819, and will ensure the most efficient -protection to all persons who have been obnoxious to him, in consequence of the part they have taken in re cent proceedings. " Before proceeding to Sattara, I shall cause a letter to be prepared to the Raja's address, embodying the sen timents which Government entertain of his conduct, and the reqtesitions which we deem it essential to make, in ()Mee to ensure his future adherence to his engagements, and. to promote peace and concord between the two Go v inimmts. The latter may ultimately be embodied in - formal engagement to be required from the Raja. " The following is what I conceive should be the sub stance of my address to.his Highness the Raja : " Ist. That after a careful and attentive perusal and consideration of the evidence, it is my painful duty to inform him, that I entertain no doubt whatever that his irregular and unwarrantable communications with the Goa authorities during a series of years, his intrigues Ivith Appa Sahib, the ex-Raja of Nagpore, and the coun tenance and support which he gave to the attempt to seduce from their allegiance certain Native officers in "the service of the British Government, have been fully proved. ".id. 'That these proceedings indicate that his High ness, unmindful of the great benefits which ho has de rired from the Hon. Company, has entertained hostile designs towards their Government, at a time when he was openly professing to be on the most intimate terr..l3 of friendship and affiance. 3d. That by these acts he has most justly incurred the penalty prescribed in his treaty . with Govern ment, namely, the forfeiture of all the rights and posses sions which that conferred upon him. " 4th. That, nevertheless, the British Government has resolved to overlook his past misconduct, and to grant an amnesty ou the following conditions." Fe should not trouble the Court with reading them at length. __ believe the above to contain all the stipulations which, on the principles we are resolved to pursue, are esseitially necessary ; but I shall be happy to consider nay others which my colleagues may desire to propose. " I find that there are various subjects of discussion on minor points between the two Governments, the con sideration of which has been postponed pending the final disposal of the Raja's case •, such, for instance, as the transit daty question, the admission of the Company's rupee into the Raja's territories, and some claims affect ing individuals. " It appears to me, however, inexpedient to mix up the.;e questions in - the present discussion. When I proceed to Sattara I can take these proceedings with me, and I shall probably be able to adjust these minor matters, either in direct communications with the Raja or through the Resi..2.ent. " In conclusion, I deem it necessary to refer to a posble, though I hope not probable, issue to the at tempt we are about to make, to re-establish our relations t fiattara on a friendly footing. The Raja, either from rnisapprociating our motives, or from relying on the in linence which he may fancy he has established, by means of the numerous agents he has employed, both in England, and in India, may refuse to accept our proirered clemency, boldly assert his innocence, and challenge inquiry. —(Hear, hear.) lam not prepared, at this moment, to state the precise course which be . followed under such a contingency ; but, in order to - aveid the delay of another reference to the Go vernor-44,:metal of India, I think the possibility of its oeedrrence should :be pointed out, and his Lordship's aentmaents 'Solicited, as to the course we should then I!..zurstie. .• _ _ _ " in carrying into effect these measures, I shall do '4ll in my power to convince his Highness of the serious , 2rr ors info which he has been betrayed, in friendly and considerate language—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear) —but, on the otter hand, I shall be firm in my endea vour:; to 'convince his Highness, that nothing can induce Government to recede from the very lenient terms on - which we aro willing to cast an obliTion over the past. "In my former minute I referred to the necessity of secrecy, as perhaps essential to the success of our plani ; and, to• ensure this, I would now propose that these proceedings may not be formally recorded until GoverriarGeueral has replied to the reference to be made to bin). (Signs 1) " J. R. CARNAC." Now for the repfy of the Governor-General. It was dated Simla.ly 11, 18:39, and was in the form of a :ettfir from M. 'l'orrens, the Depnty Secretary to the Government of India with the Governor General to Mr. 1V i ou , ;•hby, the Secretary to the Government of Bombay. (The Hon. Proprietor here read the letter referred to as - *follows.) : " Tu J. P. Willoughby, EN., Secretary to the Govern- imerit . of nombay. "Sir,—l have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 24th ult. with enclosures, and am directed to state that the Governor- General has studied with much interest the minutes recorded by the Hon. the Governor and by the Members of Council of Bom bay, and that his Lordship assents to the general amnesty which it is preposed to extend to the Raja of Sattara and to the conditions under which it is suggested that this amnesty should be granted, and that his Lordship also entirely approves of the intention of the Hon. Sir J. B. Carnae s himself proceeding to Sattara for the purpose of ondeaeouring to carry his views into effect, and again to place our relations with the Raja on a friendly footing. His Lordship feels it unnecessary to enter into any re view of this cave. He has already avowed his opinion that, whether led by malignity or folly, or a weak sub t;ervieney to bad advisers, the Raja has committed acts svhich might justly forfeit for him all the favour of the British Governrhent, and justify a sentence of severe re tribution. He sees all the embarrassments which might arise out of a formal trial. He feels the strong objec tions which would be urged in quarters of the highest autherity against a summary act of extreme severity, and he is compelled to acknowledge the expediency of the milder course propoed, and would indulge the hope that the exercise of clemency may give rise, if not to better feelings, at least to more guarded conduct. With regard to the precise coarse of proceedings which is to be pursued, his Lordship concurs with the Hon. the Governor and Council of Bombay in opinion, that the measures of amnesty being agreed upon, it should not be accompanied with any demands which might justly be regarded as a punishment; but there may be, as suggested be Mr. Anderson, warning for the future : principles may be laid down for the snore strict observance of the treaty, and, above all things . , effectual protection must be se cured to those who, in the course of the late inquiry, may, by having afforded information, be assumed to have W given offence to the Raja.ith this exp ress i on of his views, his Lordship cordially assents to theprop)oiseiatgiounes. laid down by the Hon. the Governor of Bomba y , in his' minutes of June 2 0 th, an d ado p ted by his col l. care be taken in f ratn- He would only suggest,. that , ing the letter to the t Baja, so great guardedly and yet so de cidedly, to expreSs the views held by Government in hi s case, as that if possible discussion shall not- be provoked may or admitted upon his own guilt or innocence, an be doubted whether it has not been proposed to distinctly assert the proof of personal criminality. and whether the assertions may not appear in too great a de g ree to be inconsistent with the leniency which follows. Perhaps__ the right of the British Governmeut to call the Raja to account would not be weakened under the admission that part of the guilt laid to his charge, luid proved, may possibly be thrown upon advisers, tetbreadily listened or upon agents, too carelessly overlooked. 11 1 ' Lordship can hardly i think it possible that to a frank tender of oblivon of past transactions, and of a return to cordial and amicable relations, and to a strict observance of all the stipulations of that treaty, the Raja will reply by a tone of offensive defiance, or by a rejection of the .just and moderate terms proposed, or that he should endeavour to re-open the late inquiry, and to continue the unseemly discussion in which ho has been so long by himself and by his agents engaged. Yet it is possible that those who have reaped gains by the bad advice with which they have misled him, may see ad vantage to themselves in this course, and may prevail upon him to adopt it. In such case, his Lordship would willingly rely upon the judgment and discretion of the Governor of Bombay, and prepared to support any strong decision upon which he may determine, whe ther that decision may be in the deposition of the pre sent Raja for the substitution of his brother in the Raj, or for any modified course of curtailing his political and military power.—l have the honour, &c. " IL TORRENS, " Dep. Sec. to the Government of India, with the Governor-General. " Simla, 11th July, 1839." In that letter the Governor-General had pointed out the very rock upon which the Governor of Bombay had afterwards struck.--(Hear, hear.) He felt convinced that the feeling of the Court of Proprietors, and the Di rectors themselves, was, that by pressing the Raja to put his hand to some document, admitting his guilt the case -was pressed too hardly against him.—(Hear, hear.) He deplored the conduct which had been pursued in the Raja's ease, and could not consider the terms as a frank tender of o bli v i on of past transactions.—(Hear, hear.) He trusted that justice would be done the Raja, and that he would not be permitted to be the victim of a feel ing_ of honour which would not permit him to subscribe to an ac k nowledgment of his guilt when he felt that he wag innocent.--(Cheers.) Before he sat down he would just allude to the apps which h a d b een ma d e b y the Thin. himself from the of Director s , o f t h e local func tionaries to the Court I .pireeters, by sen di ng Vakeels here to g e t those difficul ties removed which had since led to his utter ruin, He would only read one extract from the letter of the Raja, dated 21st Shaban, answer ing to the 10th of November, 1838, and addresse Ito the Court of Directors. In that letter the Raja said— " The people of this country view me with hostile feelings, because I attached myself firmly to the British Government, and thereby interfered with the objects which they had at heart ; owing to this I can only now maintain my position, through the friendship and sup port of the British Government ; and the wish which I sincerely cherish is to avoid everything that may, in any wise, tend to the injury of the British Government, be tween which and my family friendship has always existed. "Your Honourable Court having taken all this into consideration, can act as you see fit. Evil-minded and disreputable people, forgers, and liars, having conspired and given birth to all kinds of wicked machinations, en deavour to establish them as truths ; but well-informed, and honourable, and upright men are convinced that I have done your Honourable Court's Government no in jury, and never deviated from the most disinterested line in my conduct towards the Honourable Company. If due weight be given to these facts, the schemes of my enemies will fail. But if they are disregarded, then they will accomplish what they please. Great and just Go vernments, and experienced men must, on examination, admit the truth of these observations ; and while they cannot hesitate to punish such evil-disposed and inimi cal persons, not only to maintain their own reputation for justice, also to inspire general confidence, they will be kind to persons of high station, looking to their rectitude. Such, in times past, has been the practice of truly great and powerful monarchs, - whose memory is justly held in veneration. The Almighty has now given the government of this land intoyour Honourable Court's hands, and I am therefore a suitor to your Honourable Court for justice. "If persons of high and ancient families do not forsake their honourable principles, and thereby entail disgrace on their reputation, it is incumbent to act towards them accordingly ; for such individuals when treated with high consideration by those possessed of eminent station and authority, are thereby the more confirmed in their honourable course. " Powerful Governments derive great fame from acting on such principles, while to those who suffer from a dis regard of them, death is preferable to life. Forgetting what is due to ancient lineage, and for ease and subsis tence to yield to disgraceful treatment, is the part of base people, for noble persons can never resign them selves to any treatment calculated to detract from their good name. Every one of God's creatures is cared for by Him. On his providence I place my dependence, and Ido not look beyond him. So let the English Govern ment do whatever, on consideration, it may judge best. I have always conducted myself with a due regard to the high reputation of my ancestry, and therefore I rely that I shall continue to enjoy the friendship of the English Government. Your Honourable Court may rest assured I shall never act like others ; I therefore entreat that I may be early favoured with such a decision on this ap peal as shall preclude the possibility of my being con stantly subjected to difficulties. " Having taken into my consideration how every thing connected with my situation may always be made known to your Honourable Court,lavould suggest that, after the present misunderstandings are adjusted, in order to place your Honourable Courtin possession of authentic informa tion, permission be granted to depute agents, and to communicate in writing, to your Honourable Court. Un less such an arrangement be sanctioned it is impossible to foresee what may arise from causeless suspicions. "I entreat your Honourable Court to grant me a reply to this request, with the same despatch that would be used in disposing of any urgent case connected with your own interests, for I anxiously wish to be informed of your Honourable Court's sentiments on the subject. " A long time has now elapsed, and I have therefore deputed 11. de Waalmar, Eshwunt Row Raja Sirkey, and Bhugwunt Row Wittul to your Honourable Court, and they will have the honour of representing every thing to your Honourable Court. I entreat your Honourable Court to take their statements into your consideration, and to favour me with your decision. " I would conclude by reminding your Honourable Court, that your functionaries in this country have sub jected me to great hardships ; and that I have therefore employed several persons to apprise your Honourable Court of this fact. I think it necessary to state this to your Honourable Court, lest you should be surprised at so many having been employed. The same facts will be stated by all, so that no objection need be started on that score. I beg that your Honourable Court's answer may be sent through my Vakeels. " What more can I say to your himourable Court ?" Now he would say, look at the character of the man. He was proud, overbearing, strong in the assertion of his rights—in short, a regular Hotspur. He thought the Officers of the Bombay Government had decided un justly against him, and he appealed from their decision to the Court of Directors.—(Hear, hear.) Such was his character ; and yet he was charged with crimes the very opposite of all this. He was charged with crimes the very essence of which was cool calculation, which, had he possessed, he would never have run himself into those difficulties which had at length overwhelmed him. He cried out for justice. He had never been heard. Ile called upon the East India Company to afford hiai an opportunity of clearing his character. He denied that he was guilty of the crimes laid to his charge. They in duty bound to afford him an opportunity of set ting his character right with them again, and of showing them that he ought to stand as high in their estimation as he had ever done. In this case they ought to set a good example to those people who professed a false reli gion. Notwithstanding his profession of a false religion, they saw the Raja of Sattara making every sacrifice in defence of his honour and character, which he had proved he esteemed more highly than his throne.—(Hear, hear.) Should the East India Company appear as the supporters of injustice ? All he asked was for justice—for a fair trial. If it should be proved that the Raja was a traitor, let him suffer the punishment due to his treason ; but let him have the opportunity of showing- that ho was not the base character he was represented to be—let him have the opportunity of regaining that throne of which, if innocent, he ought never to have been deprived, and the duties of which he was so competent to The CHAIRMAN (who spoke in a very low tone of voice, and was but imperfectly heard throughout his whole address) said that it was not his intention to follow the gentlemen who had preceded him through all the various topics to which they had alluded, because he considered the question as settled.—(Hear, hear.) He found on in vestigating the subject that all the authorities in India, the authorities in this country, and the Ceurt of Direc tors, all concurred in the propriety of the proceedings adopted in India.—(Hear, hear.) The Court of Propric= tors must know that in the present case they had no power to alter the resolutions which the Court of . Dire ctors had come to in regard to this subject.—(Cheers, and cries of " Oh! oh!) It was perfectly true that that Court had no power to alter or to vary, or to suspend,- any re solution of the Board of Directors after that resolution had received the approbation of the Board of Control, therefore the present discussion could be of no practical use.—(Hear, hear.) Such was his firm opinion. —(Hear, hear.) It so happened that when the subject had fist been broached, he was out of the Direction, but on his return he had looked the papers carefully over, and he would say that if he had been a member of the Direc tion at that time he should have concurred in every thing that had taken place.—(Hear.) When he found that all the authorities concurred in one opinion on the subject, that the Governor-General and the Lieutenant- Governor of Agra, Mr. Wilberforcg Bird, the two suc cessive Governors of Bombay, Mr, Anderson, the Com missioners, who themselves 'conducted the investigation, when he saw, without exception, every eminent man in India was unanimous on this subject, he must say that he did hot consider they were now in a condition to ob ject to that decision. He never saw a more forcible body of evidence in his life, and after reading the ela borate minutes of Sir R. Grant, who had most atten tively considered the subject, and considering the una nimous opinion that had been come to by the most emi nent authorities in India, he must confess that he thought it impossible to come to the conclusion that all those persons were acting under a delusion. Those gentlemen were fully competent to form a judgment as to the character and credibility of evidence, and it was impossible to think that they were all acting under the influence of some extreme delusion throughout this ins quiry. An Hon. Proprietor had expressed himself as thinking that because Sir James Carnac left this country impressed favourably with regard to the Raja, that, therefore his subsequent conduct was inconsistent. Now Tithing could be more na t ura l th an th e con d uct of- Sir to alter Carnac. He had left this country favourably im any. d C:4towards the Raja, and when he became ninformed,pin opinion he; and d t fsruees h w evidence, euld h be t e hn was casei nduce d mind. All the authorities were perfectly saastieu that the Raja was guilty of the charges which ratagainstto a h n i7 had been b roueh on thought inthis the Court wo u ld not consent case, but would confirm a;ltaenrdatioh was made resolution which they came to when the subj ect w _made the matter o f cons id era tio n ~e in the month of February last. He would, therefore, propose an amendment, which he thoughtwould not be objectionable in itself, and which 'oil • not compromise the opinions of any one as to the guilt of the Raja of Sattara. The amendment he innocence " That the Court of Proprietors having e h p a r d or i s d ed he w f as, it all the papers relating to the Raja of Sattara ‘ , adheres ore to the resolution of the 13th of February, 1840, That this Court deems it highly inexpedient, and accordingl y i Executive declines to interfere wth the responsible • the affairs of Sattara. Sir J. L. LVSHINGTO . I4 seconded the amendment, be cause he thought but little attended the discus sions of great political questions in tho Court of Proprie tors. He did not deny the competency of the Court to entertain those questions, but they had no power to alter a resolution of the Court of Directors after that resolu tion had been agreed to by the Board of Control. In the case of the Baja of Sattara, the Government of India, the Court of Directors, and the Board of Control, were agreed, and the Court of Proprietors would exceed the power which they possessed under the Act of Parliament if they attempted to interfere with the decision. The power of the Court of Proprietors to discuss those ques tions was a most valuable privilege, and he could con ceive a case in which the Directors might wish to appeal to the Court of Proprietors for their assistance. But if they made the Court of Proprietors an engine for inter fering with the Government of India, he fe!ired that they might be deprived of the privileges which they pos sessed. Before proceeding further, he would briefly advert to the circumstances under which the Raja of Sat tara became possessed of his territory. That territory was part of the dominions of the Peishwu. The Baja of Sattara at that time had never possessed any territory, but was put in possession of it by the British Government who had come into possession of it in the course of their war with the Peishwas—one of the most just wars that ever was undertaken. The Raja. of .Sattara Nyas..a State prisoner of the Peishwas ; he had no claim whatever on the British Government ; and they would have been considered as acting with the greatest liberality towards him if they had settled on THE SUN, him a pension, or given him a Jagheerdar. But as had been truly described, we had raised him from the prison to the throne. Acting under the advice of Mr. Elphili stolie) ive had entered into a treaty with him, the condi tions of which, if broken, entailed the forfeiture of the territory, which, by the advice of Mr. Elphinstone, had been conferred upon him. For a while his conduct had been such that he had been relieved from the strict superintendence which had been at first imposed upon him. After a while, however, a spirit of inordinate am bition began to manifest itself, accompanied by a desire to violate the restrictions imposed upon him ; and his conduct was such as to excite the suspicions of the seve ral residents, who had been his best friends. Colonel Briggs, as early as the Ist of Jene, 1837, represented the Raja as extremely tenacious of his prerogatives, —as resisting all control—as being flattered into a belief of his own powers, and stated that it would be for his future happiness if circumstances were to occur to induce the British Government to give him timely . warning. Colonel Robertson had succeeded Colo nel Briggs while the Goa intrigue was going on, and he had given the Raja repeated warnings. He had been succeeded by Colonel Lodwick, who was also disposed to act in a friendly !manner towards the Raja, and it was deeply to be lamented that the Raja had not attended to the advice of his best friends, but had pursued a course of conduct by which the fears and apprehensions ex pressed on his account had been fulfilled. A great deal had been said respecting the question of the Jagheerdars. It had been said that the English had broken the treaty made with the Raja on that subject, but that was going too far.—(Hear, hear.) How could persons be accused of breaking a treaty, when the question was sub judice ? The question relating to the Jagheerdars was one of extreme difficulty. It was not Sir Robert Grant alone who had opposed the Raja's claims : Lord Clare had also opposed those claims, as was proved by his! Minute, dated Oct. 4, 1832, page 38 of the further papers. " An attentive perusal of the treaty and of these pa pers satisfies me, that the Deputy Agent has taken a correct view of this case of jurisdiction ; whatever in strument passed between Captain Grant and the Punt, could only cover his possessions actually within the Sat tarn Raja's territory, that officer being confined in all his acts to the kingdom given to the Raja ; and the acquies cence of the British authorities in the Deccan would have been necessary to have given the Raja jurisdiction over districts situated beyond the limits of his territory. (Signed) " CLARE." Now the Deputy Agent, Mr. John Wall, had given it as his opinion that the Raja's claims were inadmissible. The seventh article of the treaty was expressed in the following terms, further papers, p. 2 : " The possessions of the Jagheerdars within his High ness's territory are to be under, the guarantee of the British Government ; which, on the other hand, enga ges to secure their performing the service which they owe to his Highness according to established custom." He would wish to draw the particular attention of the Court to the mannerin which the word "within" was made use of in the seventh article, which he had just read. He would also refer to the following passage in the Mi nute of Sir Robert Grant, page 79 of the papers relating to this subject : "12. In fact, however, the question at issue has al ready been decided against the Raja, not only by Lord Clare's Government, but likewise by the Government of India and by the Home Authorities. I refer to the case of Sheikh Meeran Waeekur, reported on in a dispatch of Lord Clare's Government, to the Court of Directors, dated the 17th June, 1835. In their reply recently re ceived, dated the Bth June, 1836, the Court confirm the views of the Bombay Government." Now, he would beg them to look to the word "within." If it had been intended that the jurisdiction of the Reja should extend to the Jagheerdars out of his territory, the treaty would have been differently worded.—(Hear, hear.) The words used in that case would probably have been " within and without," or words to that effect. But there could be no question but what the subject was one of doubt and difficulty, and it was to be regretted that the treaty had not been more explicitly worded. He would now consider the charges which had been made against the Raja; and first, as to the attempt which had been made to corrupt the fidelity of the native troops, and on that point he would refer to the original com munication of Colonel Lodwick to the Governor of Bom bay; and the Government of Bombay, in remarking upon that charge, said that they had no doubt that the inter view between the Raja and the native officers actually took place, and that, although the Raja's intentions ap peared inexplicable, yet there could be no doubt that the intention of the interview was, as had been originally reported, treasonable towards the Power by whom he had been so long protected. A Special Com mission had been appointed to investigate the charges, and all the members of it had come to the conclusion that the Raja was guilty. He said all the members, for all had signed the Report, al though one of the members of the Commission had sub sequently protested against it.—(Hear, hear.) Shortly afterwards other acts of a treasonable nature on the part of the Raja had come to the knowledge of the Bombay Government—he meant the Raja's intrigues with the Goa authorities, and with the ex-Raja of Nagpore—and on those points he would refer the Court to the minutes of the sth of May, of the 24th of May, and of the 31st May, which were among the Sattara papers, and which he supposed every one present had read, and which were conclusive as to the guilt of the Raja of Sattara. Fie was aware that Mr. Shakespear had expressed an opinion of doubt as to the Raja's guilt, but that opinion was only a qualified one; and that gentleman had said, that if furth ?r evidence should be produced, he might be in duced to alter his opinion. Unfortunately Mr. Shake spear had died before this additional evidence could be produced. It, however, subsequently to the lamented death of that gentleman, came to light, and the following were the observations made by Mr. Robertson on the subject, in his minute of 9th April 1839, page 343 of the papers : This case being still undecided, there can, I conceive, -be no impropriety in my tnbmitting an opinion on the merits of the evidence which I therein find recorded. " My high res ,- peet for the judicial talents of the late Mr. Shakespear has induced me to read with great at tention his minute - of the 11th May, 1837, in which several ingenious arguments are advanced against the credibility of the evidence, to what then constituted the sole charge against the Raja of Sattara. " Much that then appeared quite inexplicable has since been cleared up ; and it may be doubted whether, with the light acquired by subsequent investigations, Mr. Shakespar would have persisted in the opinion which he has left on record. " What strikes me as remarkable is, .that he should not have given more weight to the high liaracter and high station of the two principal witnesses, and to the fact, that even the Raja hini.elf does not attempt to assign any plausible motive for their combining to get up a story, to be confirmed in the manner ever most dis liked by natives of any pretensions to rank, namely, by their own examinations on oath. Had the Raja even alleged any attempt on their part to obtain from him presents or favours of any kind, one might have sus pected them of acting in collusion with the Br a h m i n ; but, as the case stands, I really can perceive no grounds whatever for not giving full reliance to their testimony. " 9th April, 1839. (Signed) "T. C. ROBERTSON." That was the opinion of Mr. Robertson, and without meaning any disparagement to Mr. Shakespear, he must think that the authority of Mr. Robertson was entitled to great attention.--(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Proprietor, Mr. Salomons, had the other day said the Governor-Ge .neral had at first been disposed to coincide in the opinion of Mr. Shakespear, and he had read the papers with great attention, but he had omitted to direct the attention of the Court to the minute of the Governor-General of the 20th May, 1837,p. 333, or the minute of Mr. Shakespear: " Mr. Shakespear's examination of the evidence taken before the Commissioners at Sattara has not altered my opinion, or convinced me that any doubt should beenter tained of the guilt of the Raja; at least, to the extent stated in my former minute. He has indeed, pointed out certain contradictions in the evidence taken; and I might perhaps wish, with him, that in some instances cross examination had been carried further, and that the in vestigation had been more complete; but I am afraid that we shall in . Vain have to seek, in any complicated inquiry, a total absence of contradiction in a long chain of na tive evidence, and I should always with extreme unwil lingness adopt a conclusion drawn from the perusal of a written report, in rejection of one to which an honest and well-constituted tribunal has been led upon a viva voce examination of witnesses. In the present instance, the Commissioners consisted of officers of high character and experience, the inquiry was patiently, laboriously, and dispassionately conducted, and the Terdict has been confidently *given. But a clue to a new circumstance as "bearing upon this case has been found, and it is desirable that the inquiry be resumed, in the hope that light may be thrown upon whatever is yet obscure in regard to it. To this extent I agree with Mr. Shakespear; and in re vising the draft of a letter to the Government of Bombay, I have endeavoured to shape it so that it may meet his views, as well as those of the other members of the Council. (Signed) " AUCKLAND. " 20th May, 1837." He thought that minute would prove to the Court that at that period the Governor-General took a decided view of the case. He had listened with. great satisfaction to the eilogiums which the Hon. Proprietor had passed on the Governor-General—(Hear, hear)—but he could, not agree to neutralize those eulogiums by agreeing to what the Hon. Proprietor had afterwards said of Lord Auckland, that he had been pressed and worried by the ,Bombay Government into their view of the subject. Lord Auck land was too much of a statesman to be pressed and worried into a view of a subject contrary to his convic tions. He had looked at the case in all its bearings, had read all the papers with attention, and could not arrive at any other conclusion but that the Raja was guilty. He stated that conclusion in his minute of 23d Dec., 1838, as far as regarded the Raja's attempts to corrupt the fidelity of two native officers, and that the opinion of Lord Auckland coincided with that of Sir Robert Grant, also appeared from the minute of Mr. Farish, dated 13th Oct., 1838, which would be found at p. 272, and the three paragraphs of which he would read to the Court. " 1. I have perused with the most unfeigned satisfac tion the minute of the Right Honourable the Governor- General of India, dated the 23d ultimo, recording his opinions on the case of the Baja of Sattara, which are, in fact, exactly similar to those which the Government had previously recorded. " 2. I need not explain, that my satisfaction does not arise from the fact that his Lordship has pronounced the Raja guilty of the three principal charges preferred against him : it arises from the oircumstance, that all the obloquy and reproach which has been cast on this Go vernment, and more especially on our late respected and lamented head, by the Raja and his supporters, are re moved. We have now the satisfaction of learning, that there is no disagreement between his Lordship and our selves respecting the Raja's guilt ; and in this uniformity , of opinion rests the complete Justification of the measures adopted by this' Government, in the painful, difficult, and resposible position in which i 6 has been placed. "3. With reference to the 10th paragraph of the Go vernor-Goad's minute, I cannot refrain from observing ON DON. TIITJRSDA V, that I am not aware that this Government has ever stated an that magnanimity in pardoning an offence of a weak ally is net, in different cases which may be readily contemplated, to be at all viewed as a suitable and expedient policy ;' on the contrary, I am quite prepared to admit, that cases of this kind have happened, and may again do so, where the parties may evince repentance, and are likely duly to appreciate the clemency extended to them. All the remarks which I have made bearing on this question (and I think I may say the same of those which proceeded from the late Governor and my colleague Mr. Anderson) had peculiar reference to the individual case of the Raja of Sattara, and I am glad to find that the Governor-General is of opinion that, in this case, " measures of leniency and conciliotion would be perfectly inapplicable.' " He would now advert to the conduct of Sir James Car nac, and he had little fear but that he should be able entirely to repel all those aspersions and insinuations which had on more than one occasion been cast upon him as regarded his conduct in this affair. It had been said that Sir James Carnac had evinced a want of firm ness in his conduct, that he had exhibited weakness and indecision, had become infected with the atmosphere of Bombay—(Hear, hear)—that he was worried out of his opinion. Such was not the case, as was proved by Sir James Carnac's own minute, p. 296 of the • Sattara Papers—paragraphs from 7 to 11 of which, both inclu sive, he would quote in support of his assertion : " 7. On the 24th June an extract from the proceedings of Government was forwarded for the consideration and instructions of the Governor-General of India ; and, under the same date, the Resident at Sattara was re quested to afford certain information which would be re quired in the event of his Lordship seeing fit to autho rise the line of policy which I had proposed. " 8.- At this stage of our proceedings (namely, on the 21st June,) we received Mr, Secretary Maddock's letter, dated 30th May last, transmitting for our information copies of the Minutes of the Government of India, in which all unanimously concur in opinion, after a careful and attentive consideration of the whole case, that the Raja's guilt has been conclusively established, and that his offences are of that grave and serious character as to render his deposition, and the annexation of his domi nions to the British Indian empire, highly expedient and necessary, as an example to the whole of India. " 9. Notwithstanding this important accession to the strength and weight of the opinions previously recorded in favour of this mode of disposing of the case, in my minute dated the 22d June last, I stated, that I still ad hered to the sentiments recorded in those of the 19th and 20th of that month ; and this was communicated to the Governor-General of India on the 29th following. " 10. When, therefore, I became an advocate for a lenient course being adopted towards the Raja, I was opposed to the opinions of the following high au thorities : " First, By the entire Government of the late Sir Ro bert Grant, whose sentiments were adhered to by the Government of my immediate predecessor, my present respected colleague, Mr. Farish. " Secondly, By the Right Hon. the Governor-Gene ral of India. And this is the more important, because, in the first instance, his Lordship was disposed to view the Raja of Sattara's conduct as I did, as beneath serious notice, but was ultimately constrained to change this view, by the irresistible weight of the evidence adduced against him. " Thirdly, By all the members composing the Govern ment of India. "11. These high authorities agreed in opinion, that the charges were undeniably proved ; and, although some variations are observable in their sentiments in regard to the precise mode in which the case should be finally dis posed of, all concurred in thinking that the Raja's trans gressions were too heinous to admit of their being over looked and forgiven. I particularly notice thee facts ; for, although I do not apprehend that any one will doubt my sincerity, they are of themselves an ample guarantee that I must have earnestly and conscientiously endea voured to succeed in my exertions on the Raja's behalf, and that his failure and consequent downfal is solely to be attributed to his own infatuation and perverse obsti nacy, and to the pernicious counsels of interested and de signing men." It was, indeed, an infatuation scarcely intelligible, and was a memorable illustration of the addage—" Quam Deus vult perdere, prius dementat." Sir James Carnac had done everything in his power to leave the door open for the Raja to make concessions, but all his friendly endeavours were in vain. —(Hear, hear.) No .v, he asked would any one deny that the Raja was in con stant communication with the native Indian officers in the service of the Company, for purposes which could not, after what had transpired, be easily misunderstood ? Was it possible for any one to deny that he had also been in correspondence with the Governor of Goa ? (Hear, hear, and cries of" Oh.") He would not say that the conduct of the Raja was altogether proved to be treasonable—(Hear, hear)—but if it had been such, the leniency which he had experienced could not have been extended towards him. But it was quite clear that the treaty had been violated, and that no other course was left to Sir James Carnac than that which he had taken. The Lieutenant-Governor had shown many years be fore, and constantly, up to that time, that he was most favourably inclined towards the Raja.—(Hear.) But what says Sir James Carnac, on the 4th of February, 1839 ? In page 313 of the printed papers, paragraph 37, would be found these extracts, from the minutes : " In regard to the second cause of failure in effecting the object of my visit to Sattara, we are not left to con jecture. I annex to this minute two letters received from Colonel Cans, dated as per margin, forwarding some intercepted correspondence of the Raja's agents, a short time previously to my arrival at Sattara, and during the very period of my endeavours to induce the Raja to accept an amnesty on the lenient terms proposed. " It is almost incredible the number of agents em ployed by the Raja. He had sent two separate missions to England, on whose influence and exertions he confi dently depends to obtain a reversal of whatever proceed ings are adopted against him by the authorities in India. From the day of my arrival in this country, I have been continually beset by his agents in Bombay and at Poona, and, their efforts have been unceasing, to induce me to consent to direct communications with them indepen dently of the local authority. I, of course, defeated this object, and have purposely abstained from resorting to native agency of any kind.' It seemed, in fact, that the money which was supplied for these purposes was about 3 lacs 300,000 rupees, or nearly 40,000/. sterling.—(Hear, hear.) A confir mation of this calculation would be found at page 301, paragraph 13, of the Sattara papers. He (Sir J. L. L.) would not trespass much further on the indulgence of of the meeting ; but he would conclude with a refer ence to the opinions of a man whose loss every person, not only who knew Air: Edmonstone, but every person in any way connected with India must deplore—(Hear, hear)- - -a man in whose heart the milk of human kind ness overflowed—(Hear, hear)--a man who was inti mate with all that relates to India—to the native Princes or to our Government—who had always been the stre nuous and able supporter of our allies and dependents. —(Hear, hear.) Would not the opinion of that man be of some weight ?—(Hear, hear.) He felt that every Hon. Gentleman in that Court, and every man who had the honour of Mr. Edmonstone's acquaintance, would answer " Yes."—(Hear, hear.) He would not trouble the Court with the whole of that gentleman's commu nication respecting the Raja of Sattara. ; but he would only read this concluding paragraph, from page 378, of the papers in the hands. of Hon. Proprietors :-- " Finally, I must maintain, that in political questions involving the rights, interests, and conduct of its allies and dependents, the ruling power is the sole and pro per judge, and that, in the case now under considera-' tion, the British Government was not required to put the Raja on his trial, and to be governed by the issue of it, but was strictly justified in deciding, on the ground of recorded and undisputed facts, that by his conduct he had incurred the forfeiture of his dominion, and that it was placed under the absolute necessity of carrying that decision into effect, on his refusing to accede to the terms of a new treaty, which, although it necessarily involved either a direct or inferential acknowledgment of his mis conduct, yet only required him, in future, to abide by the principles of his original agreement, the conditions of which he had failed to observe." It had been said that Sir J. Carnac had not attended to the recommendations of the Governor-General to offer milder terms to the, Raja than were contained in the first paper proposed to the Prince, and which was said to require of him a confession of his own guilt, but there wa3 in fact nothing in the paper which implied a confession of guilt. There was indeed in the preamble an allusion made to breaches of faith on his part, but in the second paper, or Mahratta memorandum (p. 303), the preamble ran thus ; " Information having been received by the British Government, that your Highness, misled by evil advi sers, had, in breach of the treaty which placed you on the throne, entered into co mmunications hostile to the British Government, an inquiry into these accusations was considered indispensable. This inquiry has satis fied the British Government, that your Highness has ex posed yourself to the sacrifice of its alliance and protec tion. Nevertheless, moved by considerations of cle mency, towards your Highness and your family, the British Government has resolved entirely to overlook what has passed, on the following conditions, namely " First, that your Highness now binds yourself, strictly and in good faith, to act up literally to all the articles of the treaty of the 25th September, 1819." Thus the object of the proposition was merely the re newal of the treaty, and on the Raja's refusal it was impossible not to see that he was an evil and designing man. 'He (Sir J. L. L.) was Deputy-Chairman at the time, and he could say, that the wish on all hands was to do everything consistent with the dignity of the Crown, and the security of the Indian Empire, to re store the Raja to power ; but his own perverse con duct, and obliquity of intellect, rendered it impos sible. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by seconding th e amendment. Mr. HUME begged to ask the Hon. Gentleman whe ther any communication had been made to the Secret Department ? The CHAIRMAN said he had himself received a commu nication, but it was personally and confidentially made. Mr. HUME had been anxious to receive a satisfactory answer, for he felt a great interest in the government of Sir James Carnac, as he thought there never was a man sent to India better qualified for the office of a Governor than that gallant officer—(llear, hear)—and he had no doubt such was the general opinion of the public. —(Hear, hear.) He had entertained the same opinion of Lord Auckland; and although there were differences of opinion respecting some parts of the Noble Lord's administration, yet upon the whole he (Mr. Hume) thought that Lord Auckland's measures were generally right. And besides the confidence in Lord Auckland and Sir J. Carnac, he felt great unwillingness to bring great questions of political importance into the Court. In fact, he . paid very little attention to the subject,. until the printed papers were put , into his hands. He thought that in reading those pavers-lie should.lind, rea sons and grounds to justify the strong measures which had been taken ; but, in fact, there was nothing what- L It' 15, 1841 ever in the lzhole of the book to warrant the course that had been pursued. He had since reason to believe that new matter had come to light, which was not known when the Government formed its decision.—(Hear, hear.) He therefore thought that the Directons and the Board of Control ought to re-consider the subject.—(Hear.) He agreed with the Hon. Chairman, that, as a genera, rule, political, questions ought not to be discussed in that Court, because the correspondence relating to them was generally voluminous, and no man who did not devote his whole time to their consideration, could make him. self master of the subject. The CHAIRMAN explained what he had said to be, that the interference of the Court was useless in the pre sent case, as that act of the India Government had been approved of by the Directors, and was ratified by the Board of Control. Mr. HUME said that the Proprietors had however the right to meet and express their opinions, and endeavour, if they saw fit, to induce the Court of Directors and the Board of Control to reconsider their decision.—(Hear, hear.) It was not his intention to enter into the details of the question, but he must say that neither the Chair man nor the Deputy Chairman had taken notice of the facts so ably stated by Mr. Lewis, and many of which were new.—(Hear, hear.) It was not sufficient to tell the Court that the charges against the Raja were proved.— (Hear, hear.) They wanted to see the proofs. Looking to the three charges against the Raja, he thought that two of them were disposed of.—(Hear, hear.) The correspondence with native officers in our service amounted to nothing, and no man who had ever lived in India could think of making it a serious charge against one chief that he had sent presents to another.—(Hear.) In fact, this occasional sending of gifts was the esta blished mode of maintaining friendships between native chieftains—(Hear, hear)—and it was absurd to construe the present of some shoes from the Raja of Sattara to ' the Raja of Nagpore into a conspiracy against the Bri tish Government.—(" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) As to the alleged treasonable correspondence with the Portu guese Government at Goa, he (Mr. Hume) could never believe that, even if it had existed, which was very far from being proved, Sir James Carnac or Lord Auckland could apprehend any danger from it to the British sove reignty in India.—(" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) The Hon. Gentleman then read a Report of the Court of Directors, dated 1835, and signed "W. S. Clerk, Chairman," and "J. R. Carnac, Deputy Chairman." highly extolling the conduct and ability of the Raja, and giving a glowing picture of the prosperity of his domi nions under his rule. He (Mr. Hume) was surprised that the Hon. Deputy should go back to 1831 and even to 1827, for proofs that the report of 1835 was not justi fied by the previous conduct of the Raja in those remote years, however well he might deserve the praise bestowed upon him in 1835.--(Hear, hear.) The three grounds of the Raja's deposition were, the interference with native officers—the correspondence with the Raja of Nagpore, and treasonable communications with the Governor of Goa. On this last charge he must say that he did not think Sir James Carnac understood the tendency of his , own letters. It should be remembered how high was the feeling of honour amongst the Hindoos. He himself knew Sepoys with whom he had had the honour to serve, and who were more sensitive on points of honour than many Europeans of a higher class.—(Hear, hear.) The question now was whether the deposition of the Raja was consistent with the honour of our Government and the principles of justice. And here he must observe that it was generally supposed that we held our power in India at the point of the bayonet. But he denied that.—(Hear, hear.) He believed that the confidence of the native chiefs in the good faith and honour of the British Government, was up to this hour, and would ever continue to be, the great support of our power and pre dominance.—(Hear, hear.) It was therefore of the highest importance that we should always do justice, or that if injustice had been done by mistake, we should not hesitate to repair the error.—(Hear, hear.) In this case, he (Mr. H.) did not look to the opinions of Mr. Shakespcar or Mr. Tucker—he looked only to the facts of the case ; and he could not but observe that Lord Auckland seemed to think all along that there were sufficient reasons why the Raja should not be con demned without a trial.—(Hear.) But where had there been a trial ?—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the treasonable correspondence with Goa, which Sir James Carnac said was fully proved, he (Mr. H.) could find not a single fact in all the papers that had been published.—(Hear, hear.) The Rajah had demanded inquiry into the accusations made against him.—(Hear.) He had demanded to be confronted with his accusers. —(Hear.) That just demand was refused.—(Hear.) Would any man in that Court be satisfied with such a refusal, if the case were his own ?—(Cries of (" Hear, hear.") Would the twenty-four Gentlemen within the bar (the Directors) think themselves well treated in a similar case ?—(Hear, hear.) Could they, therefore, saT I that in refusing a trial to this Prince, and condemning ti: heard, they had " done unto others as they should wisii that others did to them ?" (Cheers.) Could they lay tih...!r heads on their pillows that night, and say that in opposthg the motion of Mr. Lewis they had done their duty to their llow-man ? Hear, hear.) He was aware how difficult was for public bodies to retrace their steps, But nothing ‘2,2 uld be more important to the interests of India than that we show ourselves determined to maintain go od faith and justice, and that, whenever any act of misgovern ment might be committed through mistake, arising from the distance of that territory fro:n the seat of Govern ment at home, we were willing to repair the mischief.— (Hear, hear.) In page 299 of the Sattara papers, Sir J. Carnac expressed his conviction that the Baja felt at the moment conscious of his guilt. From the statements of the Gallant Officer himself, he (Mr. II.) arrived at a different conclusion.—(Hear, hear.) Sir J. Carnac wrote— " I had stated, that some of Appa Sahib's original letters had fallen into the hands of the British Govern ment, and inquired whether he could deny the fact of those letters having been sent to him. He did not deny, as would have been natural on the supposition of inno cence, bat evaded a direct answer, by observing that the circumstance of receiving letters did not constitute guilt on the part of him who received them. A letter from a person does not establish guilt against the party to whom it is addressed. Where are my answers ? There is Mr. Anderson ; he may receive a letter ; but this would be no proof that he answered it, or that he committed any fault in receiving it.' " He (Mr. Hume) thought the answer of the Raja was evi dence rather of his innocence. —(Hear, hear.) He stood upon his integrity, and in his (Mr. Hume's) opinion, he did perfectly right.—(Cheers.) As to the charge re specting the Goa correspondence, was there one letter, or a scrap of a letter,. which could be construed into a charge of treason ?—(Hear, hear.) When he first heard of the charge, he laughed at the idea of the Raja of Sat tam intriguing with the Governor of Goa, to overthrow the British Government in India—(Hear, hear, and laughter)—when the Portuguese could not raise 1,000 men even in Europe, without the assistance of Great Britain.—(Hear, hear.) If, indeed, he had been in triguing with Russia, there might have been something in it.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Hume) believed the whole accusation to have grown out of the treachery of one individual, who more than any other ought to have taken an opposite course, although he was now placed upon the throne.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Hume) had been surprised to hear the Chairman say that it was the unanimous opinion of all parties to the inquiry that the Raja was guilty, whereas it was the fact, that in the parlour of the Directors there were only fourteen in favour of that opinion—(Cheers)—and one of the Government Commissioners strongly recommended a reconsideration of their opinion. —(Cheers.) Now, if it had been charged against any officer of a Foreign Go vernment, that whilst his nation was our ally, he con nived at, and entered into the treasonable intrigues of one of our subjects, and promoted hostile designs against our Government, would not an explanation be demanded, certainly not from himself, but from the nation which he represented?—(Hear, hear.) Now, in the case of Don Manuel de Portugal e Cassro, the Governor of Goa, this had not been done.—(Hear, hear.) But when his (Mr. H.'s) attention was drawn to the subject, he was unwilling to take any decided steps respecting it until he had secured all possible information. For this purpose he sent a special messenger to Lisbon with a letter to Don Manoel, directing his attention to the circumstance, and requesting an explanation of the charge, as far as that nobleman was concerned. The answer of Don Ma noel inclosed his solemn declaration, certified by a public notary, that he never had any correspondence on politi _ _ cal affairs with the Raja of Saltara, arid that any writing puipofting to be part of any such correspondence in his name was a fabrication.—(Cheers.) For his own part, he (Mr. H.) had come to the conclusion, upon a careful examination of all the documents, that every principle of justice, good policy,. and good faith required the re consideration of the decision that had been come to. Mr. POYNDER, from all the attention he had given to the question, was convinced of the truth of certain pro positions, which, on account of the lateness of the hour, he would lay before the meeting as precisely as possible. The first was, that a course of injustice had been pur sued for many years towards the native Princes of India, of which the present case was only a continuation. There had been a constant invasion of the original ter ritory assigned to the Raja of Sattara in 1819, and no question against the Prince himself was raised until 1824.—(Hear, hear.) His second proposition was, that Sir James Carnac pursued the same policy as previous Governors, and carried that injustice so far as to require the Raja to sign an acknowledgment of his own guilt, and condemned the Raja without a trial on his refusal to make that acknowledgment. His third proposition was, that all the accusations against the Raja were frivolous, and founded only en the base inventions of his enemies, who had succeeded in giving the Raja a bad name in the Courts of the British Governors, knowing very well the truth, " give a dog a bad name and you are sure to hang him"—(Laughter) —or perhaps the way the French say it might be the truer expression, Quand on veut tuer un chien, on dit qu'il a rage.—(Hear, hear, and great laugh ter.) The French proverb seemed to be applicable to those who condemned the Raja upon evidence which was confessedly perjured, and to which the accused was not permitted to reply.—(Hear, hear.) They had put into his place a man who was a notorious drunkard, and in every respect a most base man.—(Hear, hear.) It had been said that all the Governors and all persons con nected with the Indian Government were unanimous in condemnation of the Raja. But, on the contrary, the Proprietors had received in the Court on the last discussion, the strongest testimony that the Raja was an honourable and well intentioned Prince, and that he was foully maligned, from two gallant and distinguished officers, members of the. Court, who had every opportunity of observing his conduct and examin ing the merits of the whole case. The Hon. Propietor concluded by expressing his concurrence in the original motion. • _ _ ---------- Mr. FIELDER, who was imperfectly heard throughout a very long speech (in the course of which the Court, from being' crowded to, inconvenience, became exceed- ingiy thinned) supported the amendment, and defended the conduct of the Government and Directors. Ile read numerous and lengthened extracts from the Sattara rapers, to show that the Raja was guilty of the crimes aid to his charge, and had been justly deposed. It being then a quarter past six o'clock, the Chairman adjourned the meeting to twelve to-morrow (this day). SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS. • FROM THE DAILY PAPERS OF YESTERDAY. GLOBE.—If it were possible that the arguments of Sir Robert Peel and Lord Stanley, in their re spective recent addresses to the collective wisdom of Tamworth and North Lancashire, could permanently sa tisfy their minds of the policy qf monopolies, we should be compelled to think more humbly than we wish to do of the faculties of those respectable fractions of our fellow-citizens. There is nothing in either of these harangues that does not resolve itself into one or other of two equally groundless assumptions—assumptions of which it is difficult to believe their authors did not see the fallacy. The one is, that by admitting foreign sugar, or foreign grain, we should simply throw out of the market the same quantityof colonial or home growth. The other is, that because the project of Ministers is not calcu lated to lower prices greatly, on the average of a series of years, it is therefore not calculated to confer any great benefit on consumers. . These two arguments, if argu ments they are to be called—the one addressed to the fears of producers, the other intended to damp the hopes of consumers—are, as we have said, mere shallow assump tions, on which it is quite impossible that any well informed mind should really rest, with any satisfaction or confidence. They are, however, very well calcu lated for immediate effect on audiences not accustomed to reflection on economical subjects. The same simple considerations will suffice to demolish them both. Is it possible that men holding the station of Sir Robert Peel and Lord Stanley should be dupes of the stupid notion that the demand and consumption of corn and sugar is a fixed quantity ; and that no other question is under discussion than whether that quantity should be furnished from domestic or foreign sources ? Is it possible they . should imagine that a small difference of average price is the sole advantage which the sup porters of free trade expect to realise ? We do not indeed undervalue the importance of small differ ences of price. In order to estimate that impor tance, we need only consider how very small a rise of price will preclude the poorest and most numerous classes - of consumers from the consumption of articles not of prime necessity. Where prices are artificially raised (though but slightly) on all provisions, economy must be exercised by the poor man on those least necessary. Thus dif ferences of price, which appear slight to those less cir cumscribed-, may, nevertheless, make all the difference as to consumption or non-consumption, by great masses of the population, of comforts and luxuries like coffee and sugar. It has, on the one hand, been experienced, that a fall of price, in the former commodity has im mensely increased its consumption, and that a rise of priee on the latter has diminished it. With these facts before us, it is idle to sneer at small reductions. STANDARD.—But how will Ministers act ? Lord Morpeth's intimation of a design to retire from public life looks as if it were not intended to meet the new Par liament, but the general impression is, that they will meet Parliament, and Lord Morpeth, we see, is to be put in nomination for one of Mr. O'Connell's seats (Limerick county). What is generally believed, in fact, is, that Ministers will not retire before the 19th of next month, when the writs are made returnable ; that then, if they can find no pretext for violating Lord John Russell's pledge, and postponing the as sembly of the two houses until November, they will meet Parliament with a peccavi speech, and try to prolong the ignominious period of their continu ance in office, by yielding to the Conservative reac tion, confessed by Lord Morpeth, though so stoutly denied by all the Ministerial Journals. This would not astonish us. The men are mean enough to resort to any pretext for keeping place, and the duty of submitting to the expressed opinion of the country may serve well enough as an excuse for not subjecting her Majesty to the pain of a separation from " the friends of her childhood," who, however, never saw her until she was of an age to exercise the functions of Sovereign of the greatest empire on the face of the earth. If any of the ordinary motives which determine men to re tire from stations, the duties of which they cannot discharge with honour to themselves, and to the advan tage of the country, if any such motives could have weight with the Melbourne Cabinet it would have ceased to be a Cabinet some years ago. For our part, we shall never believe them fairly out of office until some days after having seen it ; for the bed-chamber plot proves that they perfectly understand the trick of " going out of the front-door and coming in through the back." That a trick of some kind is in contemplation we are fully satisfied ; and for this reason it is that we once again strongly urge upon Conservatives the necessity of patience and circumspection. We know that some who affect to speak the language of the Court, say that " Lord Melbourne will still retain office" with the principal part of his Cabinet. Such boastings must not be received as in the slightest degree expressing the wishes or purpose of our beloved Queen, but they show what is passing in the minds of those who have been placed about her Majesty : and of them we know they are capable of any stratagem or fraud that can serve 2 , leir interests and the interests of their party. Caution and tt.7 per were never more needful than in this the mo ment of ,::tort', when, perhaps, it is most difficult to exercise them. COURIER.-11.:e visit of the King of the Belgians to her Majesty has given ise to many surmises in various quarters, most of them corm, ecting it, however, with con siderations growing out of the state of parties and the * impending change of administratb.2..l in this country. These conjectures are, however, altoge,:her unfounded. - We are informed, on authority which may not be dis credited, that the presence of King Leopold his refer ence to affairs in which he has a direct interest himt:°lf, as concerning his kingdom of Belgium, and in which moreover Louis Philippe, his Royal father-in-law, and France, would seem to take a more lively interest still. We allude to the demolition of the fortifications of the frontier towns of Belgium. The convention which seated King Leopold on the throne of that realm, contained stipulations between the contracting parties. of whom he and the King of the French were of course two of the principal, providing not only that the fortifi cations of those towns should be dismantled, but razed. The grounds for such precautions were obviously rea sonable, since in the hands of the Belgian Government they were utterly unserviceable as a barrier against pos sible aggression on the side of France, and therefore worse than useless in the sense of that indirect guaran tee for the general peace and security which their former conservation under a different state of things involved. ANOTHER TRIUMPH OF STEAM- NAVIGATION. TRIAL TRIP OF THE PRINCESS ROYAL. This splendid new iron .steam-stip, commanded by Captain M'Arthur, made a pleasure trip from this port to Dublin on Monday, and returned the same even ing (arriving early this morning), after a run, " out and home," which proves her to be truly a " clip per." As we have before noticed, she was built (both vessel and engines) for the Glasgow and Li verpool Royal Steam Company, by Messrs. Tod and M'Gregor of the former port, and is intended to run be tween this and the western metropolis of Scotland. She is of 800 tons burden, and 380-horse power. The Princess Royal started from the Sea-wall of the Cla rence Dock on Monday morning, at seven minutes past six o'clock, in company with her Majesty's mail steam-ship Ur gent, and arrived in Kingstown harbour, against a strong ish head wind, in nine hours forty-four minutes, leaving the Urgent, hull down, shortly after passing Holy head. There were on board fifty-six gentlemen, all of whom were highly delighted with the magnificent accommodations, the sumptuous fare, and the extraor dinary speed of the vessel. Most of the party proceeded to Dullin by the railway, and after enjoyming them selves for nearly two hours again joined the ves sel which started on her return hither a few minutes past Fix o'clock, and accomplished the passage into the river in precisely nine hours, or nine hours and five minutes from quay to quay. On her homeward voyage she met the Urgent on her " outward passage," (after the delay mentioned,) off the Hill of Howth. The Princess, mail ship, (a fast vessel,) had sailed half an hour before her, and she overtook and passed her at nine o'clock, before making Holyhead light. The Prin cess Royal made her last passage from Glasgow to this port in fifteen hours and twenty-three minutes, the quickest on record, and is, we will venture to say, the fastest steam-ship afloat. We had the pleasure to be on board of her on her pleasure trip, and shall notice it at more length in our next publication.—Liverpool Standard. STATE OF TRADE . (From the Manchester Guardian.) The numerous and heavy failures which have occur red in different parts of the country, coupled with some relaxation in the price of cotton at Liverpool, had an unfavourable effect upon this market yesterday ; and the slight advance pretty generally demanded a week ago, was no longer insisted upon. There was, however, a fair business done in yarn at the rates current prior to last week. It is stated that the liabili ties of the banking-house which recently failed in this neighbourhood, will amount to nearly a million sterling, of which more than one half will fall upon Manchester and the immediate neighbourhood, and the remainder principally in Cheshire. ROCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, MONDAY, JULY 12. —There has been to-day some little improvement in the demand for goods, but no change in prices. The wool market is dull, with steady prices. HUDDERSFIELD MARKET, JULY 13.—This was as dull a market day as any for some months past ; and the trifling business that was done was anything but satis factory. In short, trade is in a deplorable state ; and, unless a speedy change takes place, extensive distress will be inevitable. Prices are quite nominal. JEALOUSY AND LOVE.—ATTEMPTED SUI CIDES.—On Tuesday morning, two females, named Sarah Fox, about 40 years of age, and Sarah Brown, about 16, were taken to St. Thomas's Hospital in a shocking state from the effects of poison, taken by them under the influence of jealousy and love. In the former case it appeared the woman had been living during the last three years with a man in Great Russell-street, Bermondsey; and on Sunday morning she discovered that he had got married to the landlady of the house where they were lodging. She procured two penny worth of arsenic and four-pennyworth of opium, which she swallowed. In the latter case the unfortunate girl h 541 formed an attachment to a young man of her acquaintance, and which being unrequited, she procured at different titres small portions of laudanum till she had g ot together a suffi cient quantity, and proceeded to put her purpose into execu tion. On being conveyed to the above hospital powerful emetics were administered to both of them, and the poison ejected from their stomachs, but they both remain in a de plorable condition. WOOLWICH. , --PERCUSSION SHELLS.---The Select Committee will, by order of the Master-General of tile Ordnance, meet in the marshes on Friday, the 16th inst., at one P.M., for the purpose of continuing the experiments with this new projectile, which is likely hereafter to exercise so great an influence is naval warfare. EVEN! N - (-T 1 SUN' SPORTING INTELL.K.-ENCE. LIVERPOOL JULY MEET r '-; (- 1, - oclilllciP LIVERPOOL, TUESDAY NIGIIT, TWL'il: o'CL.; The following horses have arri ved for the pri events : Mid Mersey Stakes. for two yrs 41.—8 c by Bay oat oi dleton, out of Rocbana—br c by Yuley Moloch' Moloch' Queen Bess—Camelford Pharoid—The Nur:— 'M e Lang Gipsey Queen—b cby Lanar, dam, by Fa() d a be brother to Susanetta—Misdeal—Hava nnah- Bloonas - Trade Cup.—Charles XII., 5 yrs, 9stru 31b— S bury, 5 yrs, 9st—Maroon, 4 yrs , B s t 101b — pson, 5 YrS' Bst 61b—Arctic, aged, Bst 31b—The Totentate, Bst 31b--Cruiskeen, aged, Bst 31b—Cal P s o, 4 yrs, Bst‘c,lb —Fitzroy, 4 yrs, Bst 21b—Retriever, 5 yrs, Bst 11b .. -- Tubalcain, 5 yrs, Bst—Tamburini, 5 yrs, 8 st--3 ° 11; desty, aged, Bst—Ernest the First, 5 yrS, 7st 9 . . —Vulcan, 4 yrs , 7st 81b—George, 6 yrs, 7st 71D —Recorder, 5 yrs, 7st 71b—Orelia, 5 yrs, 7st 61b — Sceptic, 4 yrs, 7st 21b—Clinker, 5 ;Ts, 7st-- R Rh ou od gh an ß th o e b , in 4 , y4ry:s6,st6sitolib_3lb—QuAlceuilieSteeeer: 4 4 yrs, Pt 1116 -- Long-sight, 3 yrs. 6st 101b—The Young sit 6s: 91b—Wirrestrew, 5 yrs, 6st 81b—Miksop, 4 vrs, 6st 7 , The . St. Leger Stakes.—B cby Mule lolocht out ot Olive—Barelegs--Brother to Harpurhey—Beigrside— Ermengardis Satirist Prince Caradoc ---Falrr-- Thirsk. 11,b.t 141ybis, Besides upwallds of 50 others for the other stakes. . Betting—The lazge room at the Talbot was numetottslY attended, but betting flat at the following prices :--- THE CUP. 5 to 1 agst Charles the Twelfth—tak en 8 to 1 agst Orelia 9 to 1 agst Naworth 9 to 1 agst Milksop 9 to 1 agst Calypso 12 to 1 agst Rhodanthe 12 to 1 agst Recorder 20 to 1 agst The Potentate—taken • 25 to 1 agst Muleteer—taken. The weather is fine, and from the number o f arri vls me ted. already announced, a brilliant meeting is e%Px-teeth. Large parties are entertained at Knows le y and Cre LATEST BETTING. AT in.j . MANCHESTER, CHESTER., uEsPA.S7 eg terdaP The bettings have not been very brisk either or to-day. The prices stand thus : LIVERPOOL ST. LEGEIT. 2 to 1 on the field. LIVERPOOL CUP. T TOW 51 to 1 agst Mr. Johnstone's Charle3.2CL.--- 7 to 1 agst Mr. Allen's Orelia—taken 7 to 1 agst Mr. St. Paul's Calypso 10 to 1 agst Mr. L. Heseltine's Milksop 11 to 1 agst Lord Westminster's Maroon 11 to 1 agst Lord G. Bentinck's Naworth 12 to 1 agst Recorder 14 to 1 agst Lord Stanley's Rhodanthe o va 20 to 1 forst Lord Eglinton's The Potentate'' 25 to 1 25 to 1 agst Any other—off' DONCASTER ST. LEGE— gabst R. 5 to 2 a Corot' (taken) ; 1,000 to 30 against Marshal Soult---t3'e THE M RKETS• tRKET. ist market day, COAL At Ships arrived since 1 s. d.l Adair's Bell, Hobson & Co. Hartley 17. 3 Carr's Hartley Chester l6 0 Hebburn Main l7 r Molyweil Man lB 0 Old lanfield M00r.... l5 0 Ord's Itedhugh Original Windsor's Pontop 16 6 Smith's Pontop l4 t Towniev . West Wylami l6 0 Wylaat Walls End Hilda. Walls End Killingworth Walls End S. Killingworth 16 0 W. E. Braddyll's Ream' Walls End Fast Hetton 18 6 Walls End Haswell. 0 O. /9 g Walls End. Hetton ........ .... 1 0 9 Walls End Larnbton ....... . 1 . 19 p Walls End Russell's Vett"' 0 0 Walls End Stewarts ......... 0 Walls End CarAdoe ......... .. ~0 0 Walls End Cassop .......... .. 0 0 Walls End Hartlepool ..., 0 9 Walls End Kelloe .......... .. 19 ti Tennant's Hartlepool.. pert.• 1 9 6 I Walls End Brown's Da 19 1 I Walls End Coundon .......... ii 5 Walls End Seymour' face. , 1 9 8 Wal.s End lees ............... , 9 6 Blvthe. .......... !..,, •" ................ Cd" Pen . ............. : .... I s 6 Howard's Netherton' 0 6 6 Llangennech Coal . ............ 1 ! Newtun Main ................... N MAO.KETS. neant, to •• 32 35 .41 3.3 , 39 4r 37 4 42 4 3t "`" 40 32 36 40 31. 40 37 38 31 3' 3 4° 4V COUNTRY CO Wheat. I Barley. 1 Oats. t D _____,........ e '" - H-'"7, 1 ; ........... --- ......... ---- ..... , 1 s• - -4,, Per Quarter. s, to s. a, to g. 4. to s. a. t ° n.I 13' 1 41 Boston Braintree 52 (111 27 36 23 29 3 3 : ',,i 138 4 3 Brighton 6O (7 23 31 22 27 39 ;'1 ... 33 Cambridge — t 2 29 21 -- ,1 34 43 Chichester 62 64 27 32 23 26 42 -. .,,i 35 .... Dunmow 59 el 31 30 23 29 3t ... ~., Grantham Grimsby 54 F 4 29 3.3 IS 21 3 6 , 4 0 ° 2 4 - flailsham 56 63 26 30 22 2,5 3 6 A - ',, - --: st Hitchin 5O 63 28 34 '22 30 34 7,5 30 32 Ipswich 5O 66 29 1 5 21 '26 3 7 . 4 . `c t - 3 4 39 Lewes 62 66 28 29 22 23 34 '''" 30 Lynn 6O 6 8 30 34 20 24 34 3 p S 4 -.. ;i1 Maidstone 59 63 36 :A) 26 32 3.'3 "„- 3 4 45 Norwich Petworth Bamford 6O 70 30 34 20 30 32 77, 59 4 4 Sandwich 62 71 30 34 20 30 35 1," 40 37 Tnetfoid 6O 62 28 30 23 26 36 .1," 35 40 Wisbech ....._ 56 62 28 34 20 23 35 A ";., 158 41 Witham 5l 61 28 33 29 131 L 'j 13/ Yarmouth 6O 66 50 32 24 28 140 "- .., 5 1 LIVERPOOL CORN 51 tRICET.—JuI) . 13 „ 1 to T 3 WHEAT, English, White, per 701 b.... ** 94.- . I- ° .............. 0 • 9 0 Red ..... w• ••• •••••••••41.0•••• .......... • i 10 ) 6 ---- Scotch, Welch, and Manx Irish, White Red 7 Ii 1 0 glO 1 F0rc1gn...... ,2 I - o 3 I OATS, English, Welsh, and Scotch, per 451 b - t) --- Irish 7e 0 ‘ .*. -." f , 0 Foreign p 4 tss,stxr, English, Malting, per Imp. quarter ...• 3 , 1 4 0 ---- Scotch and Irish, pc' Gours. „„,„ ........... $ 0 45 - 0 --..... Feeding _ BEANS, English. per Imperial quarter 4.2 g 40 i l Irish, &t. . ... Foreign Pease, English, per Imperial quarter 42 ' 4. 0 -- Foreign ilourt, English, per 2801 b. 49 0 51 6 Irish OATMEAL, English and Irish, per 21011.4 •• 25 6 51 0 liasr CORN , pre 4801 b. ....... ...., 04 , i) 44 _ rio RYE, per Imperial quarter it 'm in LT, per Imperial quarter NIMININIMIIMINIVOIIIII.III.IMMIMIIIMMIMINOVEOI la ble ar be A vice of workhouse discipline, re fl./ e a in e t ei , chiefly for ifs revolting impurity, has lately pee by e o f It , Downham .Unione in Norfolk. We are actuated ! , f thi , tri o , ings of false delicacy. in saying that the t!etailS 0 , 1 1. 1 tO o t section are of too disgtesting a nature to be Pr es " tr ot ' l ot mixed class of readers of la public journal, but " .e .„ pre t o the inquisitorial secrecy, which could not in this e_7 ol ll4 ore the detection of the offender, will be equally, ' lu re 00 11 ' 0 , screen him from exposure and punishment. else ware f! 9 , r be• willing to pass over any further allusion to ' h a ~,, 11 0 to present, as tee understand that it has alroatlY been 13 °a fore the Poor-law Commissioners, who have un- e ereO r ' 3 o. investigate it thoroughly, and that the evidence °_, of a 1 ( a 5 substantiate it will be shortly published in the eine / ho rk phlet. We must add, however, that the offe nder ie l3 ',,, s ea mohfeaudio)rkwiosiocawho,c,lteo:giwyllmhboamon'letahsn:d forgetful particulars rustt haotf his the l i c o e E r ne ol . f l' o e 3 f 6l e f l e e : ' J a r . tical censures, than that self-constituted P ll9teete ~r / innocence the Earl of Mounteashel.- Times. ~g A '.,,.. ATTEMPTED SUICIDE BY A ;9.001-orring, 03 EFFECTS OW PLEDGIVG Pl. A TE. -On Tuesday li o icide f the tween six and seven o'clock, a desperate attempt 3f age' ° eel' , committed by a young man, twenty-four years c &lc% o rt name of Henry Jacynes, a footman, residing with' 10'2;410 late a lady in Park-street, Grosvenor-square. It 8 ,1,, e i th e P oa Monday evening his mistress gave him orders t , o:l l) „ ,i ., es e t t: , :l i t: f t t: that had been intrusted to his care to her for her ' n late" 0 0. Tuesday, for the purpose of being placed p.evieus to quitting London. 'Mink diately a fteri a v e a a ` vo etiob to fortunate man went out for the purpose el e° uld ii es raise tee amount of four pounds (but which he co of t o ,„ obtain out of pledge some trifling article, consistieg a. 0 1 T ott dessert spoons, which he had imprudently Pledg e .,rose eu his turning home he appeared dejected, and fearing prod, he determined to put a period to his existence b i T ` as till throat. Surgical assistance was procured, aoa ' ° tertained for his recovery. St°' Clic r 811:1i t r Jo b' O n PLATE.—T. COX SAVORY , '-- ~,,e et)trid,* l 47, Cornhill (Seven Doors from Graceehuic.ll-at.,,--a. for :L o w The best wrought Fiddle-Pattern Spoor 7 0 g bts Ivitlio 7s. 2d. per ounce. The following ar e the bear er * mended, but the articles may be had d l F i . g id h d t l e ex, r y o ait r ier : oo... ;11 • i e t: cl:i i ' cio' a. same price per ounce :- e e oz. 5, 12 Table Spoons 3O at 7 2 ..• 1 „° "" Et 4 .... ,j 7 '', 12 Dessert ditto 12 Table Forks 30 at 7 2 ... 10 15 4 ~ 7 5) ' 4 12 Dessert ditto 2O at 7 2 ..• 7 , 3 1 e, ... 4JO 2 Gravy Spoons ... . lO at 7 2 ... 3 a „ ' 0 1 Soup Ladle ..... •• 11 e' 4 0 10 at 7 2 ..• 3 , A 6 ... 1 4 . 4 Sauce ditto i o 0 :.: 5 9 0 4 Salt Spoons (gilt strong) 1 Fish Slice 2lO 4* 0 Jti 5 •'' 0 11 12 Tea Spoons ... 10 at 7 8 ... 3 0 „. „ A R 01 5 itS a iwl tti 1 Pair Sugar Tongs (sitiotig) i r.ii ec otb o r e s tr .._., The Classic is a new pattern, mu& actin elegance. The Fiddle Pattern is with the bow , reap A an d la a fiddle, quite plain ; it has been appr ovs.7 more than thirty years. o f Pattern Spoons can be sent in to the c ° vEi' . FOR pO O AOS A PERFECT SUBSTITUTE F" it pO O tol d -CATALOGUE WITH ENGRAVINGS, 001.1!nteil m it 0 FREE.-Theo reference mater to thesoialis a stamp e7silver that it eang 041, - e ipg from . by persota /4 3 s ar, 4 o l ° with it. MANY SPURIOUS IMITATIOt to re °Of sold. The genuine metal, which we vrarraPonae' " Ta e ° than silver, is only to be had at our Wareb_.,i thee, i 4 r2s. same colour throughout, and can be eogra7i.,,, ta bl ont ,,,el silver. As a criterion, spoons and forks, full %S eg ue o f,let desserts, 10s.; tea, ss. per dozen. The Cal", l sol 4 ' s ite , UR 01' f n/ the prices , with engravings, of every --- o hoe ° ARTICLE necessary to the furnishing a, ,_ ooe „ . , tr eet• 25 per cent, under any other old establishett l' cmf0r0 .......00 ,, R IPPON and BURTON, 12, Wells -street, Established .-- ablished 1 820. _ sysi, I.R TH S. At Ramsgate, the lady l3 of the Rev. J. Blu ck ' rel3t°r sf 4 "' 0f soken, Norfolk, of a daughter. Bartas' of O R a n o t g h e e m 6 o t r h e i H n s o t o . , se a , t s G t e a n tr e o v r a cis , thhieeol,adoyf a d d l . : a :li e:b . i re , the w ife On the 12th inst., at Cranford, Northeor' of the o Rev. 211t1harinshsta.721,trlesstliolfaz Van. j e worw' u t the it'll of j. . C. de Medeiros, of a son. alog hter MARRIED. to Fi ll ' ill ' , s i. At Marylebone, Captain Morier, 11. N., s -?'" - of David Bevan, Esq., of Belmont, Herts• nof the c - At Albany, America, John Van Buren , o, o e __ oe i, gse;_ e gee. dent, to Elizabeth, daughter of James Valid rF ou ere, d a rts , n George the Bucks' t° Harriett OP ''''' Bucu o se eldest daughter of the late William Willo gnu; , 0 0linito phli3iitihmionrset:,,vaitcaSrt.oGf weoirigieen's,, Hanovezt? eicao of Hendon, Middlesex. eh, P halli u to IlD'i On the 13th inst., at Marylebone Ch o re a, Esq., Commander of her Majesty's slo . 7.- dauelitcr of the late William Bishop, F. 5 11. r ib °ll3° DIED. the Fec• ster oiree. On the 10th inst., at Bromfield, Ste_Tch, Wor g e , j e ght ocre Wellings, M. A. , Rector of Church 1 1, , e johatr fie* Lord Vie a r it o f f a ry b or ßromfield, oog ti , agedSlo lo t; ~ .a n d Chap a: " n t : ib t , he of thse Afsl" , On the 10th inst., in Bathwick-street. , „ tie , tEhasiontanitnrhedeliiacitlctoohfmlipn. i l e nt n y t , e , sa n st a e n Hr t v - oi C chne o . 1 o e ri t e l a c : ecudamel a .. 3 . Chesterfield , sixth son of Sir Edwyn -_ s 1 ,.,,, i At Highgate, Jonah Smith Wel!s, ..t. te , e NIG, ° I yOti- a d in t 5, NViti ) . &a ' London: Printed - and Published , e N Q . 11...,. No. 112, Strand, at The Sun Om : , ,,._.1,,, 15,1Ds h the county of Middlesex. —Thursday Ju .7 n'la;;:foorscltsatihr,;e)3rt,3hrotr.: I „•.•, k ; 144 ii 1 1,1 on an, MI