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81 " from the Noble Lora opposite (Castlereagh), that a month afterwards he sbotthi have to renew the same complaint, He was not at this time present when the assault hall heen comtnittetl, 'hut it was at the itistance of the same - Noble ' Priem! who:had accompanied him bfore, that he haw_ rose to make this complaint. Most Gentle men of thi s bonne might not by aware that the Gpards had this the hem stationed in various parts of the metropolis, As Hs Nob k,, riend was driving down the flitymarket, to,pXA through Pall Ilxll , he was stopped at the entrance of that street. He asked tile reason why. He was told 'by the Guards that sues -were their orders. He demanded who was their Commanding, Officer ;i told was answered that he was Carlton House. lie then inquired whether there were any l'eace Officers; and asked for a COnstatle. The sol diers replied that they had nolhing todo with Peace , Officers.—lle hoped an. Houourable Ha rot ,'t Was present who haul said on tile former occasion, that if a second complaitit of that Oa -titre were made, he woold support it with his vote, The Noble, Lord opposite had then stated that no such cause of offence woold be given itt Wore. Was he privy to the order issued to the Grards to-duty IHe did not believe it. He be lieva that it came front another quarter. It be ,looged to the House to interfere, to see that the comf or t o f the Metropolis should not be inter rupted, and to spew those who dared to inter : rupt it, that it was not for hem to throw impe- . climents in the wiry of his Mal.sty's subjects. It had been said-, when the first complaint was made, that it arouse front factions motives. This lie de nied most distioctly. The Noble- Lord was him- Belt a matt of spirit : if he had been stopped and stolid, as in his (Lord Milton's) case, that if he went torwaid not ofdy his poise hut himself should be ett , down, would he not have made a complatot ? It was necessary to stop such pro ceedolgs inlimine. There wel e sortie who wished to introdeee a military grivelitatetif, and to sur round it with the same mischietotis array as the Continental Sovetei;.'ns. As . to hint, he eint• side' ell the ,first person in the country - as only its first civil magistrate. He reigo6t by civil laws, and not, by military force, and itrifas not by means of guards, dritOon., ants regi 'Hunts, that the Throne was to be upholded.— There was another case which had been men !dotted to him, hut heilid not detail it, as lie had rot ascertained its correctness. If it were such as it had been repre . seotvd to hint, helshould not be deterred from doing his duty on the occasion. Ile felt serious alarm .st these innovations. tie liberties of the cou n try depended on their being , checked. The mind pf. the people would other wise gradually accustom itself to those things, without-perceiving it. Once accustomed to those spectacles, they wdold forget that they were tin tCu add that they had a right to com plain of theur as contrary to the laws of the coun try. He concluded by moving for a copy of the orders issued to sock of Lis Majesty's life-gnardv as were on duty this day in the city of %Vest- =bolter. Lord-NOOVNT supported the motion, nod called upon the Noble Laid opposite to redeem the ledger which he had given on a former occasion, she.sing that he lout made an. application to the proper quarter, and had not hail sufficient in inence to give it .effect. NO other excuse on his Fart could he sltniited.. He considered nil those. mnovatiotts as symptoms of a growing military 'pram, which 1%.1% niqSl dangerousao the country. Lord CAETLEEF,AGit observed, that the two noble .Lords opposite renewed their assert ionirto rapport their favourite theory. As to the inter ruption in 'init. : MAl, if a number of carriages were collected, the intervention of the military bight have been prudent At all events it had Ttothing to do whit' the Constitntion. He denied laving ever given a pledge that guar& should not be employed at public places and places of aum.e mem. He had never meant to give any such pledge. He understood from his Right lionotirable Friend, the Secretary of Site at his side, that peace... ofeers had been ordered to, a tt e nd proper s l u m b e rs. He witted the House ti mild not CM). Ern i t to the motion. He isa,scarcely diSposed to ive full etad.t to the Noble 'Lords tor the since silty of their coustitutional alarm, - It might have been proper to make an application. to the Com remitting Officer, but. to call the Legislative au thority to interfe:e in such a quoaion was rather to render it grine•que than otheiavi,e. ik Sir C. BURRELL . could not; help saying, that as far as he had stet), the use .of the military had beeu applied only to the preservation of the public peace. He had a itnessed disgraceful scenes in front of St. James's, where Marshalmen were %Chipped by rascally coachmen. He la khed the employment of the militaty Were extended as tar as Dover-street, in Piccadily, where an ACCUOIII-. Winn of stage-coaches called for their interfer ,cace. They had instituted a sort of ru n ners at the White Horse-cellar, to 'get passengers for their coaches ; and by these wotneu were dragged first to the right, then to the left, till they were half driveii out of their wits, had their clothes torn, and were obliged to take refuge in some shop, He bud been informed of this by a public spirited jeweller—who had brought several actions to prevent those scenes of riot and disgrace. He thought that the police did not do their duty, and that IWn peaceable soldiers would do more than , fOO or 100 constables. Lard NUGENT explained. • Mr. Gotta . LANGTON said a few words, which *ere inaudible in 'the gallery. BRoUGHAM replied to what , had falleii from the lion. llaionet. He wished. that the Military ' should be''emOloyed 'not' only in Pall-mall, St. James's-street, and the.flaynanket, but even in Piccadilly 1 and on la hat account I Because there - were so many siw4es in that Street. that 'persons v•the Packed down to Hammersmith against their ter i ;women ( bagged to the right_ and kit, o clothes torn, their wits bewiltiered, tso mach so, thiit no one could hoow„what,. would become of it, if a pnbliC spirited jeweller did not step for ward to preveili .it: flue how did hsatteinpt it In the only plotter way ; suit by calling in the as sistartet: ot the nolitary;bet by appiying, to a . Court of J water. Ile dvnied that either rte or big Noble 1 7 110141 ,binl ever said• - that the` tmstitittion was ti'lltuove - d by the employment, of the military: ka4l only bv4ll said tO igcopyeuicot to _his Ma! iesty's liege subjects iii their aVocation's.- All that military parade was new, and he svis.s. enough to ,recollect the time when the titiai'ds Were only called out on two occasions in the year ) the birth : -days of both ti,eir Maiesties. Observed,.: that within the last five or Six vest's there had been an evident tendency to give a pre ponderanerto, the military power, till now it ha 4. got to a point that ought to be checked. He be , lieved this was the first occasion on Which the military had been called out to facilitate the re-, ception of .a City. Address, and therefore they is ere totally unnecessary. The ATTOCNEY-GENEttIAL said he had no such,' alarms as, those expressed by the Noble Lords," that the duty called oa to be performed by the Guards would habituate the r. ople . to the exer , . cise of a Military Government. If any persons were improperly assaulted by them; theft had their remedy at comutrin 'ltsiv. He Jecollected in the CoarSe of his seven years pro(essional attendance on a celebrated trial (Warren Hastings's) the same necessary system prevailed. He was told that he could not proceed in his roach in a par ticular direction, and be always went another way. The place in question (the neighbourhood of Carlton House) was that where naturally the curiosity of the people' would induce their to ag semble to see illustrious persons, and it it were .not for the regulations in qnestion, there would be confusion, disorder, and perhaps destruction or the lives of his Majesty's subjects. The soldier acted t ind e r the. direction of his officer, who him self was amenahl, to the civil power. He ridi culed the idea 'thrown out, that by these regola 'dons the Constitution was. endangered, and io sisted that the military could more effectually preserve the peace of the metropolis than the constables could on foot,'svitit their small staves. The question lie considered to be totally unwor thy of the dignity of the House to entertain. Mr. IVYNNII3 reprehended the interference . of soldiers on all such occasions as those alluded to ; they were not justified in obstrueting an individual on the l)ighm ay, even by t h e order of the Sine, rei g n himself, noless led on by a Peace Officer. It was strange tlitt the Members shOuld he intet;- imp! ed in their passage on any occasion, i+.hen there %v.'s a -standing' order of the House always to keep the ways clear for them. The Civil .otll - had no right to order the soldier to impede the passage of any individual, ooless he were first. resisted. It the interference was.believed to be by the order of Govetnment, this ii o tse was the only place where an explanation ought to he demanded.' Mr H. AriPINGTON said, that on the Very next morning after; the. former complaint had been made, proper orders were issued, and the ‘Lros trates.personally attended afterwards. If veiter day !hose orders were not properly attended to, it eoubl only have resulted front an,idea that there was no occasion for any partienlar interference. Mr. PostsoNalt thought the ignorance of thtt Right Honourable Getilletuan,, whether the Ma gistrates had attended or not, was a reason why the House should inquire into the fact, ,whether the Peace. Officers did or ilid not attend, aud.who gave the orders . fort he distribution of t;,e military. What authority had - the military for being where they were .found yesterday ? Could the Riot Nondurable Gentleman, or, the Noble Lord an swer this question ? He praised generally the con duct of the Lire Guards,` hut this temperance on their part htd nothing to do with the present questioo. There ought to he no military em ployed Except on sreial occasions, of which this was not one, and therefore there was full ground for the 'clrurge which was made. The employ , merit of the military might to be discountenanced on such occasions aitotzethet. Mr. Cawait briefly defended_ the employment of the milit in the avenues Of the Palace, which ought by no means tn. have been represented. as the spreading of the, Military Over the metropolis. In a ease some time ago, where a centinel had misennducted himself, he w , is' apprehen.icA, and rendered amenable to the civil law, which proved that the, hi* had pcover to remedy the evil cont. plained of. \lr. robtsosin,r explained, denying he had said that the snldiers were spread over the metropolis• • 1 Mr AniitNoToti akti explained, ' Sir MONCK wished to know whether °He's hart beet) issued to the tnilitary,to do .ttoii , 41tuy were not entitled to do by law, .that of in , ierript iog the passage of any subject Ott the mo4 - s hihways Ile' repeated: the u tutnts, pre viouNly urged, to shew that this obstruction WAS, lint nIIIV Meg but a nuisance and a criine, • Lord NI11.7i11.1• explained, declaring . that the conduct of the soldier was yesterday as good as i t could possibly b e . I-Ic on ly, wanted to know, whether the order under which he acted, wa% or not. We miderstood- his Lordship to say, that be did go yesterday-in that quarter for the purpose of ascertaining whether be should be stopped or not. The Honse then divided. For the m0ti0n..... a 54 Against it Majority -53 Lord Castimmaotr, on our return to the Gal lery, was speaking on the subject of the Civil List, He' proposed that the Bill should now be read a second time pro fbrincr, committed for to morrow, anti on Wednesday an y. additional cionie might he debated 'and incorporated with the Bill. After some conversation, this proposition agreed to. On the motion of Sir JOHN' NewioeT, the- House went into a Committee on the Irish Land lords and Tenants' Bill. The blanks were filled up, and the Report ordered for further considera tion on Friday. Mr. littoonatr brought up the Report of the' Kik Bill: On the question that it be agreed to, Mr. raorintaoa made some remarks on the propriety of exempting the• seller or retailer of malt from the operation of the Bill. The Criticet.Loa of the EtCHIMVER said be could nor conceive bow any such perSonircould imagine themselves entitled to such an allowance. The kinentiments being agreed to, the Bill WWI geared for a third readin4 to.morrow. I-MR.O4W HORSEs. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHMIITER having moved for a Committee onihis' gill, stated his in.• tentiOD to prOtiOtie that the CommiUce be etxl! It . • pcaeitt ti exempt Stage Coach horses Flom the Assessed Tax 'on them for•the present year. The Uousehaving gobe into t conimittce, Mr. litrarteu.opposed tbe Bill, on the Jamul of it.: unfair operation, as persons Who bad itife Hoe Lind, which rerptired . mort horses to till it an,! I . ,:iug manure, had no advantage ova those who haul good lands. There was nu farmer now , who was not in distressed. eiteumstances, and, every possible relict ought to he given to ihenl - 'Mr. GIDDY tleplOC:Ftlikexptdiency of this Tax, Which would not have been necessary but for the repeal of one of the ,most prodnctive that had evelr been suggested. Ni) tax could fall mote un , equal than the oat:: now betore the House f its being:One that related to the productions of the ch"cth mile. it perfectly objectionable. The only gnestion WRS, after the great and adVantrigeous tax had been removed, what ;others the , country could . hear patting with. • .. The CH ft4'NELLOR of 'the' EXCHEQUER agreed with the Hon. Member, who had very fairly stated the tonsequences'Of the abolitiottof the Propet tv but he could not think that in the present situation of the, country it was: possible to give ii treater degree of indulgence, in respect to the 116i-se-Tax than what was now proposed. To a large, proportion of tenants who held Earths , of less than .130/. o-yeat, it would be a great relief; while, as the lariier 'farmers were relieved from the borthen of the Property Tax, they could not require the indulgence of ekemption frotti this. „The House had already gone to the almost ex tent it could possibly afford, by , relieving the countiftain about )7 1111i - bons - ot annual taxes, and he thought it inipos - sible to make any further • re- (I tltt .. A t . . . Mr. P• Moofte denied that this tEtX, *its' talk! for ; and before it or any.others were . agreed tO, it was the bounden duty of the night Hon. Gen . tleman and his friends to lay before the 'loose the true _state of its financial condition, and the whole systein of taxation, that it might be judged what species of taxat on was necessary. He would op pose.every Measure of thii kind, till, such stare mew s -were brought forword, when he was' sure the ilonst Would not hesitate hr affording what ever aid was required. ~ ?Jr. CultcvEar was ready to admit, that what had hero conceOrd by - the .Chaecellor cheq ‘vo..ltl lie of great advati.age tti the small fatni,n ; Bud it *as not to be . titiieYedthat the white tax eonld .be . , given up. Eyery horse t. , at was tiniieeessA t iliVept required a share aground wlio--e produce wits sufficient for a human being, and i 7 was therefore desirdtde ,th;.tt the number horses should he diminished 'sits notch as povsihle~ ' He objected to certain,vexatioas in the collection of the tax, which he lipped would be remedied, that which sAhjeeted farmers to the duty for titling4iotses; and the chiirge for agtoom• In "mte dist riot. 97 appeals bad beeu made on this sat jest, and ninety-four of them liven deemed in falid, This Nas H great 'oppression. Mr: J. P. GltAtVr Said, nobody felt more than himself the necessity of raising Money for the • exigencies. of the,State, tip; it, 'K i kS slot possible for the people of this country to pay the tuxes that were alieady laid oni, and the tax on agri enlittrel:borses:waa nothing more nor lass than a :tax on otaehinery, like Abet of a weaver's loom. The Righelion.Geotlemitn deserved no credit for The reduction of the seventeen millions of taxes of which he boasted, for he • had been fort:.ed to give up the Prop'ertyCux, because the filth of Parliament was'plerled to discontinue it an the • conclusion of the war. The 'liaie Tax, in his opinion, was in opposition to every sound ple of legislation. . , Sir C. KNATCIIBUi.L opposed the tax,: on tile. ground that " all:possibleencouragement ought . to be given at the present crisis to thesagrieuitural 'intetestS, already borne down by the pr essure of Aithes and other taxes; he trusted the Itighilinn. Gtutleman would not persist itt it, - • . . Air. %VTNNv was alio decidedly against the tax, wbjch'he declared his intent*:on of oppoAnO,at 911' times, as he had done wile') it was • first proposed to he extended. lie explained thepressore of its operation on the Welsh farmers, who Were oh -1440 w ketiOnaOy 'bows fOr, the purpose of hanging in4ntire from great distaneeti. Sir C. Buitll6ll, complained of the tax dn. Ae-• ,count of itcittegnaky, as heavy lands requited double the nntitber tiorsea . in till thent, - w . :hirh w ffi ere sovient fur the colt iv:tt ion .util or dif ,felent descci:ttion. lie would prefer mit aitlitionat tax,npoa pleasure. itor•es; d .or itoo silly thing that might he cott•idered as an artioie otlultnty; ' Mr..Cttawat4 wished the reductori l iitont to he 'made in the duty to ht• exeude, trout farms of 1501. to those of 2O) tier annum. After a few worth trim: Sir J. MuurkrtrßANKi, the 1.10411,• divhitql on the original tinetion, wilun the utttubi-rs teere—f- Ayes Naas Ikl4jority _4s When strangers were re-admitted, the flonsc was en►;agedl in the consideration of the other clauses of the Bill. CUMN proposed an Amendment on'the Clause for redneing the clinic , : chargc4)l(o on farms not exceeding the annual value of. 1501 whi , oh . went to extend the reduction about to be made to farms of 2001, per annum. The CUAXCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (leagued giving any opposition to this proposition, sir C. BURRELL was glad the Chancellor of the Exchequer had Actiniewed in the motion of -the Hon. Gentleman near him. Mr. CURWENT acknowledged, with much satin• faction, - the great'liherality with which the Right Hon. Centleman had conceded that for which he ()tier. Curwen) hail contended, and expressed his strong opinion, that by doing so, thas class of persot” would be most relieved who hest deserved the attention 4 Parliament - , and on whom the tax had heretofore most severely pressed. The. Clause was then agreed to. Sir C. I,unentmt. expressed a hope, that before the Bill Was disposed of,'some provision would he made with'respect to worn-out mares that could work no more, and were kept but for breetlings--. It had come to his knowledge, that Government intended to impose a tax on brood maces, and he thought thatthe most unjust of all taxes, which compelled tlac hauler to pay 11. 11 ! kr tack mu, stage. pact hibosir, after paying a 4tifY of nn her while w :ible to tear(;.. . The CHAist:ELLog of flit , ithEa. , l3le the fltitj , rrc,(teserved contaura; - 548411%1 Clauses of rh. 1 litiSing '.oert agtet#l t# , , the 141)111e was trs.irtie.,, # tte port was ordered to be rtceivol 011 IVcd4lcz,l,ly. ALIEN 1:1.L. On At - titseti ion 11141 the El :Ise should go into I a: Corumirtee on the Alien PM, A..lefiettli rtioavToie reminded the tintis(• that the Solicitor-,General had co tic tided the Snve. reign had the power of sending.on.a):en our in the country : he lial.l also the p wee of tee 'Wog the sitbjec'.4 country from foreign pints, .iud of sequestrating their prOperty if they to: astit so PheY the mans me : he wished. this poster, with. smile modifications, were now exerted i he. op. proved of the principle of the Alien Bill, hut should still more approve of.a tax upon absentees. Sir M. \V RIDLEY opposed the Bill as t‘. inapplicable to the. presentircuttistances of (lie country, and he therefore thought it his duty to enter his protest it. • Mr. Alderman C. Swill. defended. the measure 4s being essential to the secu r ity o f th e country.. Mr. J. P. GRANT did not now mean to oppose the Bill, as, he knew 111,1?081 of his friends inteuti . -. • - ed to^Offertheir- sentiments on it when the tteport was brought . up ; he Should • reserve hint:;elf, till then, who it was . his intention to oiler certain new ilatties to be emkodied in .he The then Went into a C. , minit tee. After a short couverstition'on some , ot the alauses, the Howe resumed, ri nd th,e-,14,p0rt, was OftiCrtti to • be received on Thursday.' . ruNrnm, (EirnrlcATEs. Sir EGERTON 'I DOK4IIIOVVI tile 'second read. ing of the Funeral certifteates-Bill. The ATtORNEY-GENERAL considered the Bill as vexatious and unnecessary ; and moved that the • Bill be read a seenn,l.6tne this ibsy sox month.. Sir EGERTON 1111Yr:was spoke with some warmth of the contempt with wlt•ch he couched he had been treated by the Horunlyabli'. and Learnt:it Oen. tlemati.—The itmse then vactat'iceouti.reaaing now For the Amend went. th. t the Bin be real second tinier this day six mouths . ' J Majority in faronr of the Amendment ... • -79- On our re-enteim are. Gallery, Sir BatttiTtlttt IittYDGES COttlp:aiitif)g ot contemptuous tre?tt+ aunt;. tie said ;t woitl' be better, fur his uwtt character, to withdraw frOm pubiic bust• nesi;,and lie shoull -not, ti.eret.ire,-thinkot stringy; ins forwiii.l the nit:awes relating to the Poor . Laws, ot he had given notice. Mr; MANanus 'SUTTON thought the Hon. na ronet had taken to. liiii4%elt as personal what he was not emitted,. to t.i4e to himself. His wai unit of feeling •eemeil altogether 11 the Hon. Baronet. wished to withdraw ItiroZelt from the business - , of the Hottoe; he hoped he would not do so on the-present occasion. 'The SPRAKER sahrtitted,, that as his notices re. kited to a future day, it would be better for that clay before he. withdrew them. After a few words from . Sir E. Bryclges, the Speaker said, the House would perceive t► ith slim tisfaction the acquiescence of the Honourable Baronet. The other Orders of the DI were then rlis posed of, after ‘ihich the Mouse adjourned at Eleven o'clock. AMERICAN PAPERS. +. ' r~Sti. lgicw YORK, MARCH 27.—We understand that Marshal Grouchy, who made his escape tram France, and landed a short time since at Ita more,• arri yeti in town this morning in the 9uuutf►eru WASHINGTON, MARCH 23,-.-On.,Wedneßday last Begot was introduced to the Hon. the Ante. riean Secreatry of State ; and on the day follow• lug was presented to, and 'received by, the Presi• sident of the United gtates in the usital term. Mr: nrw entered upon'his ftineft' tions aS Minister; Mr. liiker, who since the ra. tifiCatio t i Of the Treaty niGhent, has acted ais tish Charge deli' Affaires, will. of course, cease to ,appear in the latter capacity. He fills, however, as wr uni.erstand, a place no 14i4 honont able to hiltri if and u4eful to his country. lie has been appointed by his Sovereign, and accredited by the Pret4blent'a3 - ‘;'`e It. irn, British Consul General tor flit; United St ates.OfAtnerica. PkiILADLLPrit.I,,II ET 2:).-- . Spilvator fie Mau), Brigadier geueral, and C iptAin-o , iieral of the Carat:efts, has Issued a proehonroitio, 3ittioimring that every vessel, whyther Spanish or foreign, • ride!' slt4ll JCslit any `11411 . 1 . 111.3111p, for the pur pose of aiding the e tbellatriots, shall be ,entifueattil, and`-tileuras,er aiitt principal persons nn lio iriLlurnp; up At 'the yaril-arin ; likeu ic t the erew,, if as e.iiipeible as the rest ; if not, one iti• aveey fiye . is , t wto be dran, and. subjected to- this like litliiiStiiitent: • NAVAL NUWS. notGere, MAY 13 —The East India fleet, that ' was mentioned yestertlay to he in the Queen's tThannel, all got under weigh this morning, and proceeded for the River, with wind W.N.W. FALmouTtt, MAY 11.—Atrireil the Princess Charlotte packet with a mail from Nen York, in 2$ days, List from llalieax, in 1 8 days. Sailed the Duke of Kent packet with a mail for Lisbon; Wind W. Cowes, MAY 13.—Arrived the rielloint trarllo , port, to take in troops (ruin the depot here for Barbatioes. IPORTSMotrriI, 51/vir 13.—Arriveti Lis Majesty's ship Prevoyante froin. the - Wind N.