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P TAMEN T. lIOtTSE OF LORDS, Jude 16. The Land Tax Commis,sioners Bill, the Loan Bill, the Exche►iner Chamber (Ireland) Bill, tl►e amewot k Knitters' Bill, and a Private Bill, were brmight tin from the House of Commons by Air. Brogden, Mr. Mansfield, Sir Tyrwhit Jones, and other Members, and read a f►rst time. The Appeal of Murder 13111 was read a second time. The Honduras Minders'- Bill passed through a Conimittre, and was reported without amend went. FRAMEWORK KNITTERS. 'The Doke of Iturcit ND, on moving the first reading of the Framework Knitters' Bill, moved that it should be printed, and gave notice of his intention to move the second readin L y, on 'rues d.,)y next, if the prints should then be upon the tahle. The Bari of Lac - DeRDALF: was anxious that time shot& be ;riven for the investigation of thi:s Bill before moviug the second reading and moved a IVes-sa ; ;e to the House of Commons for a Copy cat the Report of the Committee upon the sub ject. 1):11:e of RUTLAND said, the object of the Bill ‘eas to relieve a numerous,. and he was sorry to add, a very distressed class of persons ; but he was willing, in order that toll information might be obtained as to the• nature of the Bill, zo postpone it for a short thne if that should be deemed nece,sary, LOAN BILL. The Earl of LtvErri,oL, on moving the first reeding of the Loan Bill, gave notice of his in tention to move the second reading on Friday ; and also moved, that certain of the Standing Or ders be taken into consideration on Friday, for the purpose of further expediting the Bill.—Or tiered. BARNSTAPLE. The Marquess of LANSDOWN, pursuant to notice, rose to present a Bill for indemnifying the -Wit nesses examined, or to be examined before the Douse, respecting the Barnstaple Bribery Bill. Lordship observed, that though he felt the Hawse had inherently the privilege of protecting the witnesses, whom it thought proper to ex amine, from any consequences arising from the di3k ts t.,tir evidence, btill the evi dence thus given might afford a clue to the dis covery of circumstances, from whence injurious consequences might result to the witnesses. It might also happen, that in a Borough, to which a Bill of this nature might be applied, that the whole. class of persons to be affected by such a measure might be so involved in corruption, that no means might remain of getting at the truth, for the purpose of 'punishing such abominable and unconstitutional corruption, but by a Bill of this Lie did not, indeed, hesitate to state his opinion, that, in every-case of this kind, a Bill, similar to that he now presented, ought to he passed, in order to enable - the [louse to arrive at the truth, without injury to the individuals dis closing it. It being of importance that this Bill should ire passed as expeditiously as possible, In order that there might be time to go through- the Barnstaple Bribery Bill in the course of the pre sent S,.ssion, ire moved, that certain of the Stand ing Orders should be taken into consideration on Friday, for the purpose of expediting the Bill. — The Bill was lead a first time. nature. MADHOUSES. The Marquess of LANSDOWN postpnnetl moving the second realliog of the Madhouses' Regulation Bill till Tuesday next. COTTON FACTORIES. On the Report of the Cotton Factories' BM The Earl of LIVERPOOL, in order to meet the objections of some Noble Lads to this Bill, pro posed to substitute twelve hours, instead of eleven, as the maximum of the labour of the Children per day, provided they had an actual hour allowed th, m loge( their dinners. The Maiquiss at BuTo withdrew an Amend ment Le had 'noted on the former discussion, and the Eat:. of Rossiya and the Earl of Lauderdale dittclaied themselves satisfied with the alteration proposed by the Earl of Liverpool.—The Earl of Harrowby and Lord Kenyon also acceded to the alteration.—The Earl Grosvenor was still hostile to the Bill, on the• ground of its bei n g au inter ferenee with free labour.—The Eatl of Liverpool c‘oltentled that there could be no question as to frre labour with regArd to children under 16 years of Ntf , .-The Eail Grosvenor tnaintairred, that unkss they recognized the principle of parents acting for the r children as they would for them srlves, in which case the labour of the children «a, quo rid hoc tree labour, they would set up a thew y tit t tended to rend asunder all the ties of nat,itc.—The Marquess of Lansdown observed, that it WaS SbtVP by the evidence, that the pa rents of children einplayed in Cotton Factories must either allow them to work 15 or 16 hours a day, or withdraw them altogether, .and therefore it was that this Bill became necessary.—lt was Olen agreed to re-commit the Bill on Friday.— Adjourned till Friday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. CANIELEORD ELECTION. Mr. GORE LANGTON presented a Report (tom the Committee appointed to take into consideta tion the petition complainiug of a n un d ue r e t urn for the Borough of Cainefiord, stating, that it appealed to them that the Sitting Members, John Ste‘rart, Esq. and - Wm. Allsop, Esq. were not duly elected, and ought not to have been return ed ; and that the election for the said Borough was consequently void ;' and that neither the pe tition complaining of an undue return, nor the opposition to the petition, was frivolous o r vexa tious. Mr. GORE LANGTON subsequently presented special Report, stating, that it appeared to the Committee.that John Stewart, Esq. had at the las' election for Came!ford, violated theprovisjons of ill, (knit ut the King, c. 118, and was thereby it;.!apacitated. for sitting in the present Parliament for the said Borough ; also that several of the Burgesses (A-bose names were specilled) had been guilty of corrupt practices, in order to influence the return of the said Borough ; one of whou, IV. Allis, di uggist, of St. ro r y Axe, had wilfully absconded to avoid giving evidence before the Committee. On the motion of Mr. GORR LANGTON, the Report was ordered to be taken into further con sideration on Friday sennight ; the Speaker was directed not to issue a new -Writ for the Borough of Cameltord before that day ; the Minutes of the Evidence heard before the Committee were or. tiered to be laid before the House, and W. Allis vas ordered to be taken into the custody of the Serjeant at Arms. Lord EBRINGTON presented petitions from Barnstaple, Eloniton,and another Town in De vonshire, against the Foreign Enlistment Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. DI./.GDALE presented a petition from the Rector of the Chamber of Commerce at Binning ham, against the Foreign Enlisttnent tiered to lie on the table. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Ex- CHEQUER, it was ordered that, at its rising, the House should adjourn to Friday. PROFITS OF THE BANK. On the motion for the third reading of the Loan Mr. Geuxrut, rose to move as an amendment, a clause to prevent the Bank from receiving the usual bonus of 8001. on every 1,000,000 f. of the Loan. He had been prevented from doing so at an earlier stage of the Bill by the late hOur at which the Order of the Day upon it had always came on ; but he was sure the House would see that under the present circumstances of the coun.. try such a sum as this should not be given to the Bai , k, as they had so many other profits arising from a Loan. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that every body must allow that some allowance was due to the Bank, for the duty which they took on themselves in the nrinagement of the Loan. It was possible that a diminution might be made in the allowance now made, and which it had long been the practice to npike, but as that diminution must necessarily be trifling, it did not appear to him that it would be advisable to delay the passing of the Bill on that account. He was the more induced to urge this argument, as he most sincerely hoped and trusted that the present would be the last operation of loan or funding that it would be necessary to contract during the continuance of the peace. After a few words from Mr. P. Moons, and an other Member, whose name could not be learned, the amendment was rejected, and the Bill was read a third time awl passed. BANK ADVANCES. Mr. PAEL rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the Advances of the Bank to Go vernment. The first provision of the proposed Bill would be to make it necessary in every case to have a specific Act of Parliament to authorize an advance by the Bank to Government. The next eiausc would authorize a written application by the First Lord of the Treasury or the Chan cellor of the Exchequer to the Bank, as to the terms of the advance after the Act authorizing an advance tad passe& The third clause would go to require that there should be submitted to Par liament an account of the terms of such intended advance. The next clause would 'elate to trans actions with the Bank relative to Exchequer,Bills, and would require that ►eithin fourteen days after the commencement of each Session of Palliameo, an account should be laid before it of all Govern ment securities in the hands of the, Bank. As to the general scope anti details of the Bill, they would be best discussed when the Bill was before the Homse. He now moved for leave to bring in the Mr. GRENFELI. wished to know whether the Bill would provide for empowering the Bank to make advances on Exchequer Bills. Mr. Pect.—By the proposed Bill no such ad vance could be made without a specific Act of Parliament. Any provision such as the Honour- able Gentleman mentioned, would be wholly in consistent with the whole object of 114 Act. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, that he had long wished for such a measure as that now proposed, and that if it had been sooner adopted touch of the public money would have been saved. Mr. J. P. GRANT asked what effect this Bill would have on the Act of Kiug William relatiVe to the establishment of the Bank ? Mr. l'agL—Ol course the Act of King William must be considered as a part of the general law of the land. Mr. MANNINO hoped that . due time would be given for considering this Bill. Mr. PEEL replied in the affirmative. Mr. RICARDO thought it would be very incon venient if, in order to enable the Bank to purchase Exchequer Bills, it would be necessary to have a specific Act of Parliament on every occasion. Mr. PEEL Sdid no such thing was intended. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEGLUER said, he had fully considered the nature of this Bill, and that he thought it would be very beneficial, with out in any degree producing any inconvenience by a diminution of the circulating medium ; and without interposing any improper restraint, in the operations of Government on the Bank. The great principle of the Bill was to bring before Par liament all the operations between Government and the Bank. A provision would, of course, he inserted ro empower the Bank to make any ordi nary purchases of Exchequer Bills in the market. Mr. F. Lewis thought this was nut the proper time for entering into a discussion of this Bill ;, but at the same time he could not refrain from expressing \ his satisfaction at the general objects of it. He hoped that he would never again see the Government and the Bank in the situation in they had lately hem If advances were to be allowed by the Bank to Government without controul, the effect would be to give the Bank the power of calling for re -payment, or for a renewal of the Restriction Act. ilir. HUSKISbON thought that this conversation showed nothing but the expediency of waiting till this Bill was really before the House. •Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. On the motion for the third reading of the Banishment from Scotland Bill, Mr. J. P. GRANT Objected to the power which was - given to the Sheriff Su bstitute by this Bill. The LORD ADVOCATE said, the power was given to prevent the delay of justice in case the Sheriff of the. County was .absent, or prevented by illness from executing the duties of his office. Mr. BOSWELL wished to know whether the ef fect of this Bill would not be to impose an addi tional expence on the county. The LORD ADVOCATE said there was no reason to apprehend that this Bill would occasion any additional expence to counties. The Bill was then read a third time and passed. EXCHANGES BETWEEN ENGLAND AND IRELAND. Sir H. PARNELL rose, pursuant to his notice, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the Rate of Exchange between England and Ire land. The variation in the rate of Exchanges was a great obstruction to commerce, by making it impossible to know what quantity of a particular article could be bought by a certain sum at any given time. Another very important object, %vas the equalization of the currency of the two coun tries. The best precedent on this subject was what took place at the time of the Union with Scotland. At that time there was the same dif ference between the coin of England and Scot land, as now between that of Great Britain and Ireland. The benefits which had been produced by that change were so great as to induce the House to make the same change for the sake of the same benefits to Ireland. Indeed lie did not apprehend that any opposition would be offered to his motion on ptinriple. Nor did he think there could be a better time for adopting such a mea sure than now, when the finances and currency of the country were undergoing a thorough ar rangelliellt. If a Committee was now , appointed, although the Session was so tar 'advanced that their teport could not be obtained this Session, they b1i.4.61 do so mite!) as to be able to conclude their inquiries next Session. Ile concluded by moving that a Committee be appointed to inquire into tile means of assimilating the currency of EnJand and liCland. The CHANcELLort of the EXCHEQUER_ objected to the motion, on account ot the late petiod ot the Seasion at which it was brought forward. The Hon.' Baronet himself admitted that there would not he time for the Committee to make any adequate inquiry this St ssion. At the swLc time the tinonen arrangements, and the others respect ing the currency alluded to by the Hon. Baronet, were of such a nature as would make it very de sirable to suspend the appointment of such a Com mittee at present. The expectation of such a measure would excite alarm and apprehemion. lie therefore trusted the Hon. Baronet would not press his motion at present. But being convinc ed of its ine - ipediency, he felt it his duty to move the previous o i oestion. After a few words from Mr. Grenfell and Sir H. Parnell, the motion Was withdrawn. Lord A. HAMILTON rose to ask a question re lative to the Jury Court of Scotland. He w ished to know first, whether thC Commissioners now sitti ng to inpvire into the Courts of Justice in Scotland, had power to eictend their inquiries to the Jury Court ; and- secondly—:(Here the Noble Lord sunk his voice so as to be inaudible in the Gallery). Lord CASTLEREAGEI said he was surprised that the Noble Lord had not apprised the Learned Lord (Lord Advocate) of his question, He him self was unable to give information un the subject. Lord A. HAMILTON then gave notice of a mo tion for to-morrow sennight.on the subject. A 'Message from the . Lords announced their Lordships' assent to several private Bills,'and re quested a Copy of the Report of the Committee on the Frame Work Knitters' Petitions._ The Messengers were informed that the Report would be sent. Mr, BENNET presented a petition from a per s on celled Charles Smith, praying that he zbigit be allowed to prove the existence of gross bithery among the electors at the Cameltord Election.— Read and ordered to lie on the table. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. Mr. W. SMITH rose to present a Petition from the Reporter who had been yesterday committed for a breach of privilege.—.l( was cottched in the most respectful language, otherwise he would not have taken upon himself to present it to th e House. The individual from whom ,it came had already merited the approbation Of the House for the way in which he had conducted himselt at t h e bar, and the explanation which he had given „,e. the circumstances under which he had committtd that mistake for which he was 110 W soffering der the displeasure of the House. It seemed to be the general feeling among those Members who were prcseut last night, whet) this Gentleman w as called before the House, that he had sufficiently acquitted himself of the charge of intentional mis representation. He could' only add, that the character of this Gentleman was exceedingly re spectable; his connexions were good, and he bad the advantages of an excellent _ education. He trusted that the House would be of opinion, that the punishment which that individual had now suffered was commensurate to his offence, and that lie might now be discharged in the usual way. He moved that the Petition be brought up. [The Petition was then brought up am) rear). It expressed the Petitioner's sincere regret 'for having incurred the displeasure of the House ; chat he had no intention to misrepresent any telpher; that the circumstances which had oc casioned his mistake were before the House ; and prayed that lie might be discharged in the usual mode, on payment of his fees.] Sir F. BURDETT said, that he felt it his duty to protest against the powers assumed by the Hoose in this case. It bad done more than any Court of Left*: could do, and more than the Constitution warranted. Nothing could be more, (inge Foos than such a power as it hail users. It had called before it an individual on (account of an alleged breach of its privileges, and having extorted a confession from him, punished him upon it. This vas more monstrous than the power at tribute'' to IthaelarbanthtiS, 0( tvliont it Was said —" custigoque." This was callel the privileges of the HoUse ; hut l,e eond riot think of it except as an at hitrary and Most on" warrantable exercise of pow e r, most dangerons t d the liberty of the subject. At the same tittle ''_ was to he observ e d, th a t th e r e port which tea s designated as a scandalous misrepresentat ion • and a calumnious libel, appeared,.io the , r)t of more than one Member who was present at ibe time, to be no more than a pretty accurate aceounc, of what was said—even to the Mention of I b B . cheering ''pleb had been so much talked (Cries of No, no ! and Hear, hear ! front vario ul parts of the House.)--Ile thought the Gentlem 1 an in custody had been more than suffi c iently P° nished, and ought t o h e liberated immediateli without payment of any t ees . Lord CA.STLEREAGEL—The Hon. Baronet had just spoken scented to have done that which was sometimes alleged aga i ns t Connse! at the Bar—he had a ppe a r e d as the advocate of the individual in cust o dy, b u t f or t h e sa k e o f making a speech to gratify his own f ee li ngs and btelina tions, had done more to injure the cause of fila t . individual th a n an y t hi ng t h at h a d yet beet' done. As to the protest of the Hon. Baronet. against the privileges of the House, he 'Duct be permitted to say that the Hon. Baronet could not, he considered as' an iinpartial party in such a Mat' ter.—(hear, hear !)—This was not the first oe" casion On which he had endeavoured to beat (low° the privileges of the House. But the Hotpot"" able Baronet had gone before the.Contts of 1 ,34 with the question, told it had there been decided, against him. Yet the Hon. Bat once took th i9- occasion to make a new att a ck u p on th e Law a n " A-the the Constitution. He trusted, however, that the House wont(' always feel what was due to its own dignity, and to the maintenance Of its pd.,' vileges as the guardian of the liberties of th e people.—(llear, hear!)—As to the case of the individual whose petition was. before the Flints e there was this merit in it, that he had never tal'el for himself such g rou n d a s th e H un . B aron et 11111 now occupied—he had not attempted to say 111 '1 the Reportwas correct, or that the House ha ( ' no power to commit him. Indeed, in the whole eu.irse of his examination at the bar, his e.'nvittec had been such as to produce a very favour bl ja: pression, and it had certainly been disiugni!'lie" by a greater sense of propriety than the conduct . of the Hon. Beronet.—(llear, hear !) Mr. COUIITNEY (if Exeter) contended, tha t though the conduct of the Reporter had not been such to aggravate his offence, yet that ss he was man of education, gifted with good abilities, 3 ' l " of respectable 'connexions, he must have bee" aware that the best coutse which lie could purs"e would be to behave with decorum, and conciliate the House by his conduct when called befote If the offence had been committed by an ignorant or illiterate person, it might haVe been passed over with contempt. • Mr. HUSKISSON said, that be could not allow' the subject to pass without mentioning to th e Hon. Member (Mr. }Line) who was not in 10; place when the Hon. Baronet spoke, that the Hon. Baronet bail expressed an opinion that the report which had beet' published was not far fro!" tl:e truth, and that the Hon. Member had use d such expressions as those used in the report. Mr. 1710IAR said, he was sure that it the Hour. Baronet had been present on the occasion when the r words in question were spoken, or when be (Mr. H'lmf) bad last night and on a former night 5.r . expressly dis a v o w e d t h e accuracy o f the red port, that Hon. Baronet mould not have dared t assert that the, report was correct. When be bpnke the Words in question, he spoke coolly at ' d deliberately, and with a perfect recollection ot villa( he said. He was as certain as he could be of any thing, that he had used no such words as those in the report ; and if it were possible clout h is own recollection was deficient, it I.V9S to be recollected that no Member Fres:eat had heard any such Ivozds. Lord BINNING wished to state that the Member who spoke last had, within au hour l'rtsi3 • the time wh en b e rece i ve d t h e news p a p e r ot which the mistake a; , peared, delivered irrto his (Lord B.'s) hands a mitten communication to his Right lion. Friend, stating that the reporg was a complete mistake, and giving a correct ac count of the words he haul used. Lie must further - state that on Sunday he met an lion. Member of this House; to whom he spoke on this suiject, a9a.: to whom he was about to show the correct reporC of what the other Hon. Member. (Mr. I had spoken, wf en the Hon. Member to whom ii now alluded, stopped him, said that he himself hail been • present at the time, and that before 1 0 read rhe written account be would state from re' collection what had been said by the other lion. Member (Mr. Hume) ; on which he repeated very exactly, and almost word for word, %t hat Was written by the Hon. Member as the. true account of his speech. After thiS, and after what had al- ready passed in the Howe, he must express his • surprise that the lion. Baronet should lend him.- 'sell' to such a statement as that which he had vett.. Lured to make on this occasion. Mr. LITTLETON (of Staffordshire) said he was the Member alluded to by the Noble• Lord who spoke last, as having, repeated the words used bY the Honourable Member (Mr. Hume), which, on comparison, were found to correzpond with the written account. He felt it his duty, on this occasion to rise and'contirm the statement of (bac Noble Lord,,,n, hich was correct in every respect,. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON said, that justice to , the Gentleman concerned,whomhe had seen that morning, be rose to state that the only feeling. on his mind seemed to be that of regret that did, Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) . had not been present last night, to -hear him solemnly diaavow that he had any the slightest intention of misrepresenting, or any antipathy to gratify. These sentiments indeed were so hilly expressed in his Petition, that be should not have adverted' to them, were it - not to state from the indivi.r dual himself that he was most anxious the Right Honourable Gentleman and the House should understand such were his present feeliogs. Ht bad to complain of the Noble Lord's (Binning) expressions towards the Right Honourable Ba ronet, imputing improper motives for the part 6 , had taken. lie had stated last night he wai among the first to contend for and uphold 114. o n C ~91( tar t of ,i 1); & :, + eat at a d , , 114,1 Ot,f t t ert Pe r , dere rp ort 'Wa d of I)