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El On g Significantly to.the dismissal of Mr. Huskisson. However, Mr. Peel felt sere at the epithets used ; the sorer, perhaps, that his conscience told him they I , 4 te -Inerited. A "great deal of warm altercation 1 3 ! ) k s Ohice—a great deal pf shUffling. The conclu 41,'i1')ift 'Matters pietty where they : were at Chronic:le. to ,O , ;01 .. , ThisEast.Retford Bill went through a Commit -4,144 :night. 'The discussion of such a hackneyed ; 1 19,144 hag' little in it to excite interest, and would . „- l t.Ye:pasied 64' as &illy, if not as quietly, as such `L l l,.ittcqiii'k!nerit)ly 4, had it, not been for that rare ' I _ I I V A/wee, in the, Douse,, something like a quarrel,' ITt i egn i -.4c. i iTertnysqn„atld Mr. Secretary Peel. tiliip,.w4,,Tery, few exceptions, the case in Parlia '_to,tl4mtinirtels, An ,explanation set. every thing to ''Okt.s; atad.Mr. Peel, with much good humour , and ' 4 ,7 1 1-' Way which. would have atoned for more irrita "°4 on leis cause given, declared that from the mo '4l4t he had forgotten all that had passed. The oc tuillk witslthe application of some very strong lan- P4ga by Mr. Tennyson to the conduct of Ministers, ~., s, pect to EaStitetford, which Mr. Peel conceiv. `q'to allude personally to 'himaelf.—New Times. iMI'E I itIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE Of LORDS, FRIDAY, JUNY 27. Th e Royal Assent was. given by Cwmmission to t i. ,!'e Sugar Duties Bill ; the Law of Evidence C0n50 '44,... ' 4 4,... tion the Mad-houses (Scotland) Bill ; the went Garden Market Improvement Bill, and to 14. terist Private Bills. The Lords' Commissioners were the LORD CHAN titliOR,-! the. 'Earl of SUAFTEPBURY, and Lord ‘ttatbIBOROUGII. lie County Lunatics Asylum Bill was read a trci time and Pas4ed; as was also the Salmon Iske!.iep,Bill f . • , Sir A. O RA NT, others from the Commons, Ltought up th,e,lrish Registrars Office Regulation ‘, . 1 1 1 4 ~.the. Aehouse Licensing Bill; the BillTfor perpetualerirtg the Laws relative to the distil '9on‘ of Spirits .from .Malt in Scotland ; the Pro 'l3sory _Notes Bill ; and the London Docks Bill, Nth the amendments agreed to. )„ The Earl or:DARNLEY, in the absence of the t moble Earl immediately connected with - Northamp. , presented a tietitionfrom that tosva against the tuning of Hindoo Widows. The Noble Lord. ex itlYsied a - hope that burning women in the iris `dogging them in the West, would soon be put 41 ', -acid to. Lord SKELMERSDA.LF. presented a petition 's Prn the glove manufacturers of Hereford, praying t the repeal of the laws allowing the importation ti f French gloves. On .the motion of .the Noble , Lord the;Ale - house t ensing Bill was read a first time; -and - ordered to read a second•titnecai Tuesday next. • The Marquis' o f . DOWNSHIRE did not . wish E prolong the discussion, -but ne, really thought the l ireation Society in Ireland had clone as much to i :i'lriote education there, as could .by possibility •. • i w ve been done by , any similar institution ; . and t a society ,that had . alsvays becu regarded with 4 11 id (feeling by their Lordships. • . ,Parl BATHURST laid on the table the. Report the Select.Coruntittee on the; Wool Trade. karl STANHOPE did not feel vdisposed.at this :le period of the . Sessions to bring forward i ; I Y, proposals on this subject that might. re a. great • deal of consideration, and be calm i'ted considerably to prolong the sittings ; but Ull• h e : 4 th e Nobly Puke ' who had been expected - to 7e done it, did bring, forward some measure Ou this siibject, either before the House rose, or tats soen after their Lordshipsniet again, it was his 7:4 l tiot early in the next Session to submit several :liiositioris,upoait, all of which he should be ready substantiate by the evidence which had •now been The House then adjourned. (OUSE OF COMMONS, JUNE 27. I s' he SPEAKER took the Chair before four `P,vit this day, when.t he Usher of the Black Rod • 1111iired.at, the bar,,nud„requested the attendance of kSoMmons in the House of •Lords.. Llite „SPEAKER- null a majority :of the -ISlainbers then withdrew. Upon their - return, th Pl3. Airsß announced that this House had beett'in t :Rouse of Lords, where his Majesty's assent' was .Commission to the Sugar Duti,e4 Bill the i t Shouses•Cotlaiid Bill, the Law of Evidence Covent-gardan Market Improvement Bill, and ‘‘ 4 ral Private Bills. Air. Keely brought up a Return of the sums Zed,, to the Commissioners of his Majesty's cards. ,kr. Johnson brought up a copy of the evidence „_ 'ling to the Leicester Police. On the motion of Mr. WARD;the amendments by the Lords in the London Dock Bill were - lil t ed to. Or. LITTLETON presented a petition from the 4 41 L ifordshire Potteries, for the abolition of Negro 4 4ry. . 0!-I' E. OWEN presented a similar petition from Mr. W. Duncombe a similar petition 411 1 _ Sir •F. BLAKE presented a petition from the t 7koners - of Northumberland, praying for an' increase Olowances ;. and Mr. Pendarves a similar petition 4 tri the'Coroners of Cornwall. s 4 ir g. curvg presented a petition from the t i7P manitilictiirers of Hereford, praying for protec " 4 0e 0 . glove trade. 4i . R A st 4i . LOYII presented a, petiti o n from Flint hk tlieThll for. suppressing. the One .Pound Notes. Or.ArAN ..HOMRIGH presented a petition fiom gheda, against the Grand Jury Assessments. „...After a few words from Mr. LESLIR FOSTER, the 7tition.was ordered to be printed. Nbir M. W. RIDLEY presented a petition from ik tvveastle-on-Tyne, against the imposition of 3d. in tie pound weight on Stem Tobacco. Also a pad _ isr,. from a person named Madan, residing in tv l i tch Shields, who, had invented a life-boat, th, l :ch,he now. recommended to the consideration of kiouse,.aud of his Majesty's Government. ! ( i L tifter,a fe,w,words frost Sir J. YORKE and Sir E. TAN, the petitam was laid on the table. - L RETAIL BREWERS' ACT. ',0i1.. T. WOOD brought up the Bill to amend k : ,l ftetall Brewers' Bill, which was read a fi rst e 04 )idered to be read a second time on Monday 'et t • • • ; 4r: .GRATTAisi 'presented a petition frem. the tetehapte of Dublin, praying for a Repeal..of. the on Coals. Seeing the Hon. Member for I i t i, ll4 hatn (Mc. Caleraft) in his place, he expressed confidence that - the Right Hon. Gentleman by ti t transition of .place had not also changed his sen 41:4ents, and that he would support the repeal of this and infirm the 'lonic! whether his Majesty's . % 4 1 / I !'ernment had come to any determination on the Oct. tr.. CA LCRAFT was sorry that be could not . 11 e on. G e ntleman ally sat is factory raply on wetthject . ,...at whatever side of the House:he was 1 / 4 4 , , (1 1 ttg itope4 he should be ready to do justice, his. hUmble efforts to carry into effect those ilireiples which lie had lived in during hia whole to thenr 0 . At' !to t , 1 2 the motion of Lir T. ACLAND , the Pri wns - ' ititpls Conveyance Bill was ordered to be taken ' farther consideration this day three months. 0119 C Is 4 04 4 ,P. ASTELL brow hthe gt up Report On the le • ifolL, sd t ti „l` India" *Prize ' Bill, which was ordered to be franc lll7 ; rltsed and - read a second time on Monday next. I, and th ; -•• . .- WARD OF LONGITUDE. Penn ys o if Z . CROKER waved the second reading of the rev_!al e. ll , ,', R iiinde Acts Repeal Bi ll . )1 ' c ur ': te a ': J. YORKE wished to know what were the • ,' s ' th• 1 , 3 which induced the Government to bring in rliat' ve. l " ) , (A".. ill, and what erect it would have on the Board a the a 411jaitild I Ntr • • • • GOV° '' i , i • CROKER said the Board of Longitude 1 holdeo; ` .l Iluw b 'ar • - objects. for - ~,' -• • become uuneref4 . y,. . the . d , closet , 4 u tt it4 It '.was: eon , tituted being- either 'etiecte o r it ha s 11 -r, 1 9 7 impo.sible. Th e idea' of discovering the e, poi' ) ith East or North West Passage had now *come absurd, and there tvici no 'use in keeping up useless machinery at a great eipence to the country. Mr. wARBURTON- iiiquired Whether tlie Bill would be printed. Mr. CROKER replied that there was no neces sity for going to such au *expence, as the Bill only repealed the Act coteitituting the Board of Lon gitude, which was to be done away with through the report of the Finance Committee. Mr. BARING expressed his satisfaction that,the Board of Admireltylad attended to this subject. He was glad that the country ITEM relieved from those ex periments which were attended with serious expense. Sir J. YORK w o u ld ; be sorry if the Govern. v i-C tient gave up the idea f . exploring the North-west coast of America. It appeared from Captain Frank lin's last journey,_ that though the north-west pas sage could not -be discovered, the business of ex. ploring this coast might be made .More facile tt travellers. Mr: CROKER said this Act left the Govern ment and the country in the same state as to the encourage.oent of geographical and scientific know ledge; it merely took away the stimulus to experi ment created by the Parliamentary reward offered. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed for Monday. The Supply Committee, and Ways and Means Committee, was postponed for Monday. CORPORATE FUNDS BILL. On the Motion of Mr. 0. CAVE, the House re solved itself into a Committee upon the Coworate Funds' Bill. The v'everal clauses were agreed to, after which the report was brought up, and ordered to be receiv ed on Monday next. EAST RETFORD DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL. Mr. N. C-ALVERT moved the further, considera tion of the Report on ibis Bill. Mr: BARING , thought• the Hon. Member was bringing on' this important question rather early five o'cloek),. and froth the state of the Mouse, it would appear they ►•ere not prepared for it so early. - The (Mei of the Day having been read, Mr. N. CALVERT moved the recommitment of ,he 13i11. Leid HOWICK said, the Right Hon. Secretary (Mr. Peel) distinctly laid down . the prinCiple upon which he should' deal with this subject, when he said he would act in the way which would be con sidered " not the most just, but the most fit and expedient ;"and again, when he said that he would take a middle course, and instead of throwing the two boroughs into one scale, be would put .one in each. Now, as Penryn remained where it was, he thought the Hon. Gentleman wus bound upon his own principle to throw East Retford into the scale of the manufacturing interest. He, therefore, con ceived that the Right Hon. Gentleman might with propriety acquiesce in his plan, which was to traris fel.' the selective fratiehiSe of Eait Retford to York• shire. By that means there would be six Members for that - county, and the division of the Members as regarded the manufacturing and agricultural inte rests would be fairly balanced. At one electiOn for that county, it had been stated 100,000/. had been spent by the candidates, although there was no con test. This was an evil of great. magnitude, and any arrangement which tended to dim►nish it ought to have the support of the House. The SPEAKER said, that the motion of the Noble Lord could not be put until the question then before the House, upon the decision of Which de pended the recommittal of the Bill, was determined. Mr. TENNYSON then rose, and complained that in his absence, before he.had time to get down to the House, his Hon. Friend (Mr. N. Calvert) had hurried on this Bill. His Hon. Friend need not have taken the Bill out of his bauds ; and his doing so he thought was contrary to an arrangement by which he considered his Hon. Friend ought to have held himself 'bound. ' He begged to make a few ob servations before he 'made his motion. Penryn was now disposed of, and he thought himself entitled to call upon the Right Hon. Secretary opposite (Mr. Peel) to, redeem a pledge which the line of argument he had taken, and the distinct understanding of all whO heard him, fixed upon him. The. argument -used-by the Right llou. Gentleman about the ma nufacturing and . commercial interests was that to which. he salluded;and from which he deduced the pledge of Ow Bight- Hon.. Gentleritamupon the tie currenee of a 'eertain' event,'Which had now occurred, :that heplr. Tennyson) - should have his vote. Prom r lhe Ado of the Right Hon. Gentle Man, • who then was, but now nnfortnnately was n o longer a Member of - the Government, he had, and the whole House had, inferredthe pledge of which he spoke, to give the franchise Of. East Raiford to a manufac turing town—and it was frora.,that, and from ether causes, which he would not name, understood that such was the intention of the Cabinet. That matter he would leave the Right- Hon. Gent. to settle with himself. He imputed to him no pledge in words, but distinctly in the meaning of his language. He, how eVer, consented upon this occasion to abandon that pledge, and make, no use 'of it at all in his argument. But there was another pledge, from which he did not mean to release the Right Hon. Gentleman. He alluded to the declaration of the Right lion. Gentleman, that it was the intention of his Ma jesty's Government, in the event of the Penryn Disfranchisement Bill being thrown out in the Lords, to make the East' Retford Bill an open question.— NoW he (Mr. Tennyson) called upon the Right non. Secretary, in virtue of his pledge, to 'rise up in his place, and declare this an open question. — (Hear.) The last vote come to upon this Bill was a party vote. It was well known that it was pro pagated by the Government . thatthat question must not be decided upon its own merits, but that it must .ibe regarded as a question involving the fate of the Administration, and settling the question of a Tory Administration for ever. lie believed, that if Mi nisters had been beaten upon that occasion, there Would have been a dissolution of Parliament. Many gentlemen had told him personally, that they were with him upon the merits of the Bill, but in that peculiar crisis they considered it a duty of paramount importande to support the Government as then formed; and, therefore, - they must disregaiii the question of . merits. The • tocsin, in short;* was sounded—the Right Hon. Gentleman got his ma jority, and` as he was, no doubt, fully satisfied with ;his triumph, he hoped he would now redeem. his pledge. It. appeared to him certain that the Bill Could not 'be-settled this: Session. There were so many propositions to be discussed upon this sul; j ect, and suet' ain of .evidehce to go through, that he thought, the best course, he could take Was, to move as an amendment, that the Bill be re-committed that dsy three months. . Mr. STRWART - ,seconded the amendment. Mr. Secretary PEEL said that in the discussion of the Penryn case he had acted bona fide, and without ever contemplating what had since occurred —that the Bill would be thrown out in the other House. As _ to the , general insinuations that there was a desire to support the Aristocracy, by giving the franchise to the hundred of Bassetlaw, he could only meet them by as general a denial.--(Hear, hear.) —and for his own part he Wa.9 not aware of any such thing being the fart. There was no pledge of any kind given, and before the dissolution of the Government there was no reason, whatever why Mi nisters, on the East Retford.Bill, should pursue the course adopted either with respect to Grampound or Penryn, or why. 4t should bo i made a Government question. The matter was one which involved sub jects of a judicial as well as a legiSlativenature;and he had stated, as was mentioned on another occa sion, by his Hon. Friend (we believe Mr. Huskis son) that Ministers reserved to themselves the power of voting as they wished. So far as the Hon, Member (Mr. Tennyson) had any right to infer that he (Mr. Peel) would follow any particular coarse from. the declaration he had made, he would say, that if .the-Honourable Gentleman had given the franchise of East Retford to _a great town, and that the Noble Lord (John Russell) had transferred that . of Penryn to a county, and thafthe 0Noble; Lord's- Bill -failed in the other Nouse, the franchise still remaining' to renryn, he would then have supported the proposition of the Hon. Member. The case was, however different, because his Hon. Friend (Mr. N. Calvert) had subinitted his proposi tion while both the cases were pending,•which he (Mr. Peel) did then, and would now support. He could not, however, agree with the Hinr..Memlter, as to leaving East Retford as it,waS, because a case of great delinquency had been proved. The .ques tion at present was, that the Hon. Member' wished 13irmingbam to have the franchise. .The Noble Lord proposed the transfer to one of the Ridings of York shire, and his Hon. Friend (Mr. N. Calvert) desired that it should be given to the two adjacent hundreds, that the county might not be deprived of two Re presentatives. He confessed that .his two grounds for t r ansferring the franchise of one borough to the hundred of bassatlaw, and that of another to Manchester, being the desire that one should go to the agricultural and another to the manufacturing interest, would be as fully gsined by giving one to a Riding in Yorkshire as it could in the other way. "With respect to the county of Nottingham, he had been, from the first moment, unwilling to disturb the proportioa, and he would certainly sooner have transferred the franchise of Peurya to a great town, sooner than East Retford i on account of Cornwall having forty-four members. -That doctrine had been found fault with, end it had been said. that there should . be no apportionment of this kind, but he never heard a debate in which that arguraent had not been - made use of when a transfer was contemplated. The Noble Lord himself had, in the Grampound and Penryn oases, compared Cornwall with Lanca shire. He knew very well that in point of principle it mattered not whether a county returned 44, or 8, or 4 Members, yet there would always be less dim-', culty to naalce a transfer from a county of the former to one of the latter description. Seeing then that the county of Nottingham had only eight Members, which would by the Hon: Member's Bill be reduced to six—that in the hundred of Bassetlaw there Were 2000 freeholders, and a‘ population of 35,000—that the constituency was respectable, and comprised the inhabitants of two or, three market towns, which were not represented—and believing that they were not subject to the particular influence of the Aristocracy—he did not see why the House should depart from the rule of opening the franchise' to the Hundred, which they had invariably pars sued in every case except that of Granapound.— Lord Chatham had said, " that he was glad to see Bramber taken away from India, and restored to its situation in the county of Sussex." His idea was, that Shoreham ,was entirely under East India inte rest. -Mr. Fox, also,in almost every case, protested! against the transfer of a franchise, and so far from even wishing to remove one to a great town, he had given the most persevering opposition to the Bills respecting Shoreham, Ailesbury, and Cricklade. In another case also, that of Stockbridge, there were two Bills brought in, one for a transfer to the hun dred, and another for the punishment of the corrupt voters. He also thought it better that the Bills should be separate, and the Hon. Member for Hert fordshire only followed the - course of Mr. Fox, who disapproved of including the disfranchisement of a borough in the Bill which gave it to another place. ' Thus, it appeared that all those who were most fa vourable to reform, and amongst them Mr. Pitt, after advocating the general principle, were in favour of the course pursued in this instance, and, therefore, he (Mr. Secretary Peel) was surprised that some who now professed to be friends of reform should declare that they would prefer seeing East Retford as it was, to giving the franchise to the hundred. Lie did not think, that perhaps at this advanced period of the Session both branches of the Legisla ture might be able finally to decide upon the mea sure ; at the same time, he thought that as much as possible ought to be done, so that it might be in troduced with effect at an' early period of the next Session. He would decidedly oppose the amend ment. Lord J. RUSSELL said that there was alrea difference between a county like Cornwall, with an overgrown representation, and a county which had, perhaps, but few Members. In the latter, if the bo rough were proved guilty of corruption, he would have a difficulty in taking away its franchise, and would either give it to the county at large, or to a portion of it. But when the Right Son. Gentle man said that Nottingham had only eight Members, and that an injury would be inflicted if two were taken away, the Right Hon. Gentleman was, he thought, getting into notions rather too refined, and such as were not fit for legislation on a subject like the. present. Indeed the peculiarnotions of fitness of all anti-reformers were as like reform as possible. Ye acquitted the Right Hon. Gentleman of any de sire to conciliate particular persons by the present measure, for he considered that all great bodies of freeholders would secure good representation; but he was for the transfer to a great town, because Leeds, and Manchester, and Birmingham, were, in his opinion, fitted for the exercise of the franchise, and more in want of it than any portion of a county. After the experience he had had with respect to Leeds, he should say the Bill would have passed but for the unfortunate jealousy between the' lauded and the trading interest. That jealousy had sprung up from the discussion and anticipation of new mea sures respecting the Corn Laws. The Noble Lord concluded by saying that he should vote with his Noble Friend (Lord Howick) whenever he moved for an instruction such as be had spoken of. Lord NORMANBY said, the elective franchise having been very properly defined by the Right Hon. Gentleman to be a trust, communicable by the elective to the representative body, when in either case the trust was broken, plain sense pointed out the consideration of bow, best the franchise could be dealt with, having a due regard to the changes which had taken place in the distribution of pro perty. What, however, , the Dien. Member for Hertfordshire did was to stick to the name of East Retford, and, by altering freemen to freeholders, thus render a service to the county, although. 'he (Lord Normanby), thought it would be extremely difficult .to prove .how Nottiughamshire had been benefitted by the 201. paid to the Ea:lt Retford men by Mr. Osbaldeston, or not paid by Mr. Marsh. To the proposition for re-committal he had an objection as, being more acquainted with Nottinghamshire than his Noble Friend, his local knowledge led him to the conclusion that the measure would be evil.— The Noble Lord concluded by . saying, that he would support the proposition of his Hon. Friend. Mr. HOBHOUSE said, that he also would sup port the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. 'Tennyson.) Indeed, he .. svOuld be unwilling, to trust any ease of 'reform to the hands of the Hon. Member for Hertfordshire," as, since the peace of Utrecht was brought about by ri pair of 'gloves, amd that a crooked Window caused the devasta tion of the Palatinate, there never had been s o many g reat effects produced from little ca uses as bad flowed from the proposition of the Hon Gentleman...A Ministry had been knocked up, Parliament was threatened to be put an end to, and he believed that his Ifon. Friend (Mr. T.), had not escaped without. grievious accidents; wherefore, he thought, the subject had better be dismissed al together. He was quite of opinion that no more time should be lost, and he hoped that his Hon. Friend would press his motion, and knock up the Bill altogether. Mr. SLANEY was in favour of transferring the franchise to a large town. It was supposed, most erroneously as he conceived, that those large towns were but nests of radicalism. He referred to the cases of the City of London, to Bristol, Liverpool, and Norwich, to show t hat they each returned Mem bers, of principles calculated to form suitable repre sentatives of persons of every class. Mr. N. CALVERT explained. Lord PALMERSTON was favourable to the transfer of the franchise to a large town. Expe rience had proved that many disturbances arose which might be effectually prevented were legitimate representation eilj4ed. Where there are Represen tatives party feeling had a legitimate oreau, arid vented itself harmlessly. The Legislature then possessed an occasion, arising front the ascertained delinquency of a particular place; and if that occa sion were allowed to pass, they might look in vain for another. At the same time he was willing to admit it was then too late to get the Bill thilitigh Parliament during the present Session. He should oppose the Bill, because he conceived uo practical object could be attained by agreeing to it, and its passing would be attended with the disadvantage of sanction►ng the principle of giving to the adjoining hundred a preference over a largo town. , Mr; LUMLEY observed, that ac matters then stood, two Parliamentary seats were iu abeyance ; he was, therefore, opposed to delay. Influenced lay that consideration, he had resolved on Monday next :o move that a writ do issue for two Meral;ers t,, serve iii Parliament for the borough of East Retrorit. Mr. C. W. WYNN was not desiroas of gettiig rid of the Bill altogether, though decidedly favour- able to transferring it to a large town. The best course, in his opinion, the House could pursue, would be that of suspending the Bill until the next Sessiou. After a few words from Lord EBLtINGTON and Sir F. BLAKS, _ _ _ The House divided, when there appeared— For the original motion 97 Agaitat it .. Majoritl in favour of the further eonsi- 55 deraton of the Report Mr. N. CALVIiiRT moved that the House now resolve itself into a Committee for the further eon sfderation of the Report. Mr. TENNYSON moved, as an amendment, that the Report be considered on the 14th July ■ext. Mr. Secretary PEEL objected to the postpone ment, as did Mr. W. WYNN. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, I►nt ,a division did not take place. Mr. TENNYSON expressed his willingness to, allow the Bill to proceed through the Committee, on the understanding that the two Bills—t Lat for the extension of the fratichise, and the disfranchise ment of the corrupt voters--should be sent up to the Lords together. Mr. Secretary PEEL thought it would be 'better to keep the two measures perfectly distinct. After an observation from Mr. H. GURNBY, The question having been put that the Speaker do leave the Chair, Lord HOWICK moved that it be au iusti action to the Committee to receive a clause, empowering the Legislature to exclude the borough of East Rat ford from exercising the privilege of electing two burgesses to represent the said place in Parliament, and to transfer the elective franchise to the county of York. Mr. C. WOOD opposed the motion, and said the wishes of the county of York were decidedly against the proposition of the Noble Lord. Mr. MARSHALL should oppose any motion which tended to increase the influence of the Aris tocracy. Mr. DUNCOMBE wished the Noble Lord would withdraw his proposition, in which he could net acquiesce. Lord lIOWICK explained. Mr. TENNYSON was satisfied to vote for the motion, on the ground that it was merely to give in struction to a Committee, without pledging the Muse to any particular course. The House then divided on the motion, when the ntunbers appeared, For the motion l'7 Against it.. Majority The amendment was accordingly negatived. On our return to the gallery, we foand the House in Committee ou the Bill. Lord JOINT RUSSELL suggested that the eon tending opinions of all parties might be reconciled, by giving, to the Crown, with the advice of:the Council, the power of issuing writs for the election of Mem bers in the room of those for East Retford, to what ever place it should please. He would therefore move that alter the words" County of Nottingham" be inserted the words " and the said borough shall be hereafter excluded, from sending Burge see to serve in Rirliament." Mr. BARING approved of any motion to prevent the borough of East Retford from sending Members to Parliament, but could not approve of any motion for transferring the power of appointing Members in their stead to the Crown. Mr. F. LEWIS thought the mode suggested by the Noble Lord would lead to much difficulty, and disapproved of ally plan to throw smelt responsibility on the Crown, if the House were to shrink out of the performance of the task. Mr. Alderman WOOD wished this question were got rid of altogether. He would therefore move that the Chairman do leave the Chair, and hoped he might thus put an end to the matter, and that he might never see the Chairman in the Chair again.— (A laugh.) The question having been put, Mr. SLANEY would support the motion of the Noble Lord. 'Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House divided on the Amendment of Mr. Alderman Wood, when the numbers appeared, Against the Amendment 89 For tlie Amendment ' 19 Majerity On returning we found Mr. C. W. WYNN objecting to any resolution calling on the Crown to issue writs for sum moning Members of that House. Though the House originally summoned Members from places, yet the number of Representati yes having been limited by the articles of the Union with Ireland and Scot land, the Cron had not new the power of issuing writs from any places that it might wish. Sir J. MACKINTOSH would vote for the mo tion, as it would leave the Committee open to any future course. The proceeding by Bill was the same ill substance and origin with an Address to the Kiug. . The Unions with Scotland and Ireland had ao more to do with the questiost than the Korai bad. They merely related to the relative preportion of Members coining Prow each kingdom, but not to the comps , sitiou of the House. He wieeld rather lute tie power of selecting the Ogee vested in the Crown, and exercised by its Ministers, who were sensible to public opinion, than in the heeds of a numerous as sembly, who were individually little responsible cud little sensible to shame and remorse. The‘Ministers would be sure to transfer the franchise to a large manufeeturing town. Be would therefore prefer • the mode of proceeding by Addecss. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN thotrght the mea sure could not pass this Sessien. The Ministers were acting most imprudently in pressing this quee tion in preference to the public business. Against the publie opi n i on , w hy should the Ministers sup port it ? There was no party supporting it; party had disappeared. If, Its a reformer, he wished to see confusion created, it would be his wish to see the present dirty tricks on this question pet an cud to; which went to lower the reputation of the Holm and the character of the Administration. He would rather'see the boroughs sold its the open market than give the power of eleetiag one Member to that House of Lords, which had already the pewer of sending more than one hundred Members into that House. If he had health and strength, he .would rather move amendment after amendment, motion after motion, and so 'weary out the Ministry, than accede to the preposition. Mr. LOTT said, he could not sit in that House and hear, without repelling them, the rufounded im putations of the Hon. Member who had jest it down. He had been sent to that Hottse es fairly !tad constitutionally as any Hon. Member in it, and he had acted independently of any set of Ministers. Mr. SUGDEN should vote for transferring the right of election to the hundred ; and could net think, notwithstanding the opinion of an Hon. and . Learned Gentleman, that in so voting be slipped out of the pals of the Constitution. Sir J. MACKINTOSH explained. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had completely misunder stood his view of the question. He had not. meow . mended to the House to desist from proceeding by Bill—be had only expressed his opinion that the mode of proceeding by Address, was more conform. able to the principles of 1146 f -talon. Mr. SUGDEN also •:zging leave to dissent altogether from the in-uposition of the Hon. and Learned Member. Mr. IL GURNEY felt, under existing circum stances, that he could not vote for the motion of the Noble Lord. Mr. C. W. WYNN explained. He -had not in tended to say that the most constitutional course of proceeding was by Address.—(Cries of " Question, question.") Lord J. RUSSELL rose, merely for the purpose of oxplaining that his proposition only went to ex clude East Retford from sensing Members - to Par liament, and that the queStion would remain open of remnying it to Birmingham or the hundred of Bassetlaw. After a few words from Mr. N. Calvert, Sir F. Blake, Sir C. Burrell, Mr. Baring, and Mr. Benett, the Committee divided, when there were-- For the clause 43 Against it lOB Majority —65 On our re-admission to the Gallery we found the Clerk reading a clause of the Bill, which having done, Mr. TENNYSON rose and said—after the dis position which the House has evinced respecting the measure now before the Committee, it would be a complete waste of my time were I to persist in pressing the Bill fitrthet.—(Hear.)—l think, there fore, that the conduit of his Majesty's Ministers, ou this oecasion,has bean base, unfair,unjust,and grossly enceustitntional.—(Loud and' long continued cheer. ing from the Opposition.)—Some Hots. Members have professed their coufidence in his Majesty's Ministers, in: censequence of the pledges (as we understood the How Member) which they have thought fit to give to the House. I am not, how ever one of those who are disposed to give strength to the hope entertained upon that heed; but even if I ‘vere, the conduct of his Majesty's Ministers, est this particular question, would be sufficient to shake it, for I must say, that in . my opinion this is a most inauspicious commencement of their Ministry ; it having led to the secession of three Ministers iu whom the public placed some degree of confielenee. I cannot distinguish it as any thing but a base sad abominable job Of the Ministry, entered into for the sake of propitiating a particular interest.—(Cheers.) Mr. Secretary PEEL—It is untrue—(Loud and long coritintiei cheeriug4-1 say that it is not true — I say that it is not true that it is to serve any par ticular interest or purpose that the course that has been pursued was adopted.—(Coutiusted cheering.) It is net the fact that it was adopted with a view to any base job. The Hers. Gentleman's' proposition has been rejected by the sense of the House, fairly taken, and nowshe attempts to compensate himself for his disappointment by the ase of language which is utterly unjustifiable by Parlituneutary usage, and which cannot with proftiety be assumed by any one. Mr. TENNYSON.—I beg to say that my senti ments were not delivered under any degree of ex citement. (A laugh.) They are my deliberate sentinsouts. Undoubtedly this was. a measure, the i success of which I had much at heart, on public grounds, and I might therefore lie allowed to ex- press some disappointment at my failure, on account of the consequences to the country; but I have not viewed it.with tiny degree of temper whatever.— (Cheers and laughter.) But I say again, that this conduct has been pursued by Ministers to serve par ticular interests. I did not make any personal allu sion to the Right Ma. Gentleman; 1 spoke of his Majesty's Ministers in a body. I think the Right Hon. Gentleman said that my language was unpar liamentary, but I stand upon my right to arraign his Majesty's Ministers, in terms that are Parliamen ' tars', in any portiou of their conduct. With respect to the conduct of the Right Hon. Gentleman per sonally, I can only say that I am almost the only Member in this House who relieved him from the charge of having giveu a particular pledge 4051 this question. I have sail, and I say now, that he nes er did pledge himself in words to any particular line of conduct. But the language he used led me to draw au inference, which this House and the country at large drew from it. (Cries of No.) I do not mean to adopt, as my own, any of the scurrilous language which has found its way into the public prints,where the Right Hon. Gentleman's conduct is spoken of as hypocritical; I say I do not adopt that laneliage, but that is the impression of the country. Great confusion ; cries of no, no, " the country has no such impression.") Why, even the Tory publications regretted that the Right Hon. Gentleman should have taken the course be has. But I state that I do not thiuk that the Right Hou. Gentleman was pledged to take that.eourse, althought others have said that he was. That is my deliberate opinion. hear.) Mr. PEEL—The Hen. Gentleman is perfectly right in applying to the conduct of his Majesty's Ministers the term unconstitutional, illegal, or any phrase of the kind ; but if the Hon. Gentleman ap plies to my conduit, either as an individual or a Minister the epithet of base, I will not resign the privilege which I possess as a Member of this House of meeting a charge of such a nature with indignant refutation—(loud cheers)--and that too in terms as strong as those in which the charge is made. The Hon. Gentleman has again repeated that he con ceives the conduct of his Majesty's Government to have been influenced by a'desire to conciliate some particular iuterest. I can only meet that general charge by a general denial, and I do state, upon my honour as a gentleman, that neither directly or in directly iu the remotest way, have I had any com muuication whatever with any person possessing any interest in this question. I claimed the privilege of giving my vote upon this particular question, unfetter ed by any pledge,expreesed or irnplied,actual or moral. If I did make this a Government question,it was from Ih a desire to act with fairness; and, as the organ of Go vernment in this House, in speaking of the course that wil t meant to be adopted in respect to these two bordwghs, I did pledge myself that the influence of ny colleagues in the House of Lords should be so everted as to make the Bills take the mme course there, except as far as the judicial part of the ques tion was concerned. On that point I could, of course, make no pledge—give no promise. When, therefore, the term base ss applied to the course ir, d h e Douse uisolhesi alteration,l to) ietiuitssuocil taao‘osGvveitiheteoet,oo:lhvisfol remained resooteei fki eett a n:tuudl which has been taken, it imputes motives utterly ate of se an re ttejtist. The Hoii. Gentleman's observations coutain a sort of expression which is half personal and half ,parliatnentary—(loud cheers)—but wholly un warranted by the usage of this House, or by the real motives which influenced the conduct of his Majesty's Government.--(Loud *cheers.) Mr. STANLEY.—It is to be regretted that from . . the beginning to the end of this queStiou—in itself of uo great consequence, but of vast importance I t lllit i urnl nvolvets—Hit has been made the t f vy in l h e o ei l s m i ihecialtue:e question; t f p ri no r p i on n a s ; r: yplctlaefedeesi tit which I had hoped s l e v d i , th th r it e t W Right Hos,. Friend near me, and the Right Hoa. Gentleman opposite, have rather unnecessarily 4e, l e4 ti t ii o nk mri m ia y t deviated into strong, and perhaps u nwarrantable language. (Cheers cud cries of" No, no," from both sides of the House.) I spirt what has fallen front my Hon. Prism], on account of the answer to which it led from the Right Honourable Gentleman, who, I mast say, I think, toOt the expressions in a sense into which it required extreme force to twist thew. (Laughter.) I really cannot help thinking that he indulged in • great deed of unnecessary indignation; indignation expressed too at what barely exceeded, if at all, the limits of Parliamentary usage. (Cheers.) With regard to one or two observations which have fallen from di ff erent Hon. Members in the course of the debate on this question, from whatever motive o uch gs:vv, e r r: hdeori oni ttu: source mtvdd n.eloirakffi:iott,ter, i ;,iopi t iiciaib, m l.loeltitnill s :,occi y :oh;iwalv a eol ; :et s !;kce e eoe y oi , g lii, i fi T i ni . tgi ws aht t uthteh ts l cdt B i ca n not help thity's nking that I Go ose to diminish the small hope I clitettailied of liberal and constitutional measures being pursued. I do nut, however, profess any determined systematic opposition to the present, any more than I did to, the late Government—l am as ready to look at its acts as I was to those of its predecessor, and if its measures are good, 1 shall be the very last to 'oppose then) for opposition's sake. But, as I said before; my hopes are much diminished by the late ehangein the cabinet, and if any thing could diminish those have left, it would be the language I hear night after night from particular parties within these walls. (Loud cheers.) If free trade be talked of, we.have the •Viee President of the Board of Trade to profess that on that subject his mind is a sheet; of blank.paper ;, that be will think of it, and see what can be.done.. (Loud cheers.) If agricul ture be mentioned, or any thing else which directly or indirectly seems to affect the landed interest, we have those particularly connected with it, and who are supposed to be its organs, speaking of its being the time to look to their rights,,to secure their in dividual and.special interests. \Vhy.is this? Be eause.they hope that at least they have a Govern ment .which will support them against those of the commercial and manufacturing part of the nation. (Loud and continued cheers.) I hope I. may be mistaken in my forebodings; but what can be said of such language but that it is extremely suspicious ? (Hear, hear,. hear.) There is one point more to which I wish to allude. I confess twat the discus- sions that have taken place, and the divisions that have followed, ou this particular question, make it useless to attempt any further opposition to its pro gress in the course of the present Session. I know not whether it can pass or not, but I know, from the advanced period of the Session, and the state of the attendance on the House, any opposition to it would be futile. I beg however to say , that though I shall cease to oppose it, my opinion on the Bill is completely unaltered. I hope that the prin ciple professed by the Right .Hon. Gentleman, not to give a pi eponderatiug influence either to the lauded or manufacturing interest, if it be possible to avoid it, will hereafter be ucted upon. If any bo rough shall in future be found to forfeit its rights IA ;• shall, I hope, remember that this last, though not first, forfeiture— r .(eheers)—has been given to the k►uded interest. I trust that on the next otraci‘3) she massufacturing interest will be found entitled to its share in the legislation of the country. Mr. Secretary PEEL—I beg to address myself more particularly to what has last fallen front t he Hou. Member. With respect to what first fell from him I must say tbat.l am the last man to set an example in this House of the die of language uor of a Parliamentary nature; but when language of au equivocal nature is used to me, I shall exercise the privilege I possess of replying to it. With re spect to what fell last from the Hon. Member, have,this difficulty in answering him ; it is, that four hours before he made his appearance in the House, I had an opportunity of stating the course which I should pursue. Had. the franchise for Peuryn been thrown into the county, I should have had no ob jection to that for East Retford going to the Mallll - town. When I thought we had two fran chises to deal with I voted the transfer of that of Penryn to a manufacturing town, and thus recog nized the principle that the Hon. Gentleman re quires ; but with respect to what I may do with the next borough, unless I know all the circumatattees connected with it, it is impossible for me to say, except by re-stating the principle on which I should have acted, its case the Lords had transferred Penryn to the hundred, in which case I should this night have voted for the. transfer of the franchise of Cast Retford to Manchester. .Mr. TENNYSON—If the Right Hon. Gentle man supposes for a moment that I applied the tertna I made use of personally to him, I can assure hint he is mistaken. No one can be more unwilling 0141 myself to apply personal observations. What I said was applied to the Government as a collective body, and as regards it I may perhaps have used rather strong expressions; but I must persist in saying, that I think his Majesty's Government were in fluenced in the manner I stated. I cannot sit down without expressing my hope that the Right Hon. Gentleman will redeem me from any intention of having spoken personally. Mr. Secretary PEEL—I can 'now qty that I have utterly forgotten every thing that has pissed., Lord J. RUSSELL—There is one thing th 6 Right .Hon. Secretary seems to have forgotten, which I beg to call to his mind.—(Cheers and laughter.) He was asked whether, in the event of this Bill passing into a law, the next forfeited fran chise should he given to a manufacturing town.-- The Right Hon. Gentleman merely says thm.he does not know what the circumstlnces of 0.A4 , ., next case may be. Mr. Secretary PEEL—I can only answer the quettion by supposing a case. If I had to-morrow the case of Grampound, I should have no objection to transfer the franchise to a great town, but I will not bind myself without knowing all the circum, stances of the case. In the Penryn case, I wishe, to transfer the franchise to Manchester, in preference to throwing it into the hundred, on aecount of the great number of Members Cornwall would still have left. • My decision must depend 04 a variety of cir cumstances. But if a case the same as this should arise, 1 will redeem any pledge I may have given. I will net, however, pledge myself to any particithe : course, in cases where a judicial consideration y e ,,, t precede the transfer. Mr. LITTLETON said there could not Le, 4 more definite ease than the present. What would they do if there was another case as strong as it Mr. Secretary PEEL complained of the manlier ./ to which the - question was pressed upon him. It was not his duty, as a Minister of the Crown, to give any pledge as to future decisions, Mr. H. GURNEY thought that the manner in which the question had been pressed very much exceeded the bounds both of decency and Parliamentary usage. A Member, whose name we could not kart), protested against any Minister binding himself to a psrricular course. It was unconstitutional.—(Laugh ter.) Besides, how could it be known that the Right lion. Member would hold his situation that. day six months ?—(A laugh.) Sir F. BLAKE (as we understood) was of opi nion, that Ministers. ought to be at liberty as circum stances did.—(Loud laughter.) The clause, with several others, A'AS then agreed to the House resumed, the Report was brought up and ordered to be taken into Wither consideration on Thursday next. THE BANK NOTES,- BILL.—(IRELAND AND SCOTLAND.) ' Mr. E. DAVENPORT wished to postpone the third reading of this Bill, on account of the late baur - Of the night, and the consequent imperfect discussion it must receive. On being reminded by t h e C HANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and Mr. P EEL, that it had been already amply discussed, and that it was again to be discuss ed in the House of Lords, Mr. E..DAVENPORT then proceeded to op pose the third reading. He had yet heard nothing which could induce him to agree to this measure, and ho was only surprised how the landed interest could be cajoled or dragooned into voting for a mea sure so much against the interests of their tenants and constituents. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER contended that the circulation of small notes was so incousiderable that their withdrawal could have no injurious- effect upon the general circulation of this country. Sir J. GRAHAM thought the Bill was unfair and delusive for I re l an d an d Mr. Secretary PEEL allowed that there was an t s o eo wa ti r a d n s d. England, anomaly in the measure, but thought it could not be got over at present. Mr. GURNEY opposed the Bill. • Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS saw nothing in the Act calculated to give the least alarm to any body in either country. Mr, ATTWOOD spoke at considerable length