The Sun. — London, England, 1841-05-01 00:00:00

MORNING ED - be deplored, and that the Government ought not to have suffered these defalcations to have taken place. But he would ask the Right Hon. Gentleman sahether he, or any one on that side of the House—there might indeed be a solitary exception—had any right to taunt the Treasury? He (Mr. Hume) might do i', but they had no right. He had endeavoured to lessen that expenditure. He had pointed out to the House what would be the result of those extravagant and in creasing estimates from year to year, and he had called on the Honourable Gentleman near him not to listen to the voice from the opposite side, which would hurry him on into increased expenditure. It any indivi dual was entitled to make the speech which they had just heard, it was not the Hon. Gentleman, for he challenged him to point out any one instance in which he had pro posed te reduce the great and increasing expenditure. For the last three years there had been additional taxes to the amount of 3i millions laid on, and there had been a falling off for tne last 4 years of 5,1 millions, making a total of nine millions increase of the expenses of the coun try. Teat arose from the neglect of the House and its utter disregard for the rcduc:ion of the public expendi. tute, and he might add that on the several divisions be had taken to reduce the expenditure of the coun try, the number who voted with him seldom ex ceeded seven or ten.. He was gratified to think that the Right Honourable Gentleman had been com pelled, by the increasing burdens of the people, to look about and devise another mode of increasing the resources of the country. It was now clear, that although last )e tr. the Right Hon. Gentleman had laid on taxes to the amount of 2,340,000/., so far from its producing any increase, it had caused a decrease ~of 300,000/. on the la.t as compared with the previous year. Con sequently the estimate of the Right Honourable Gen• tleman baelailed. The revenue, which was 47,843,000/. for the year ending in April, 1840, was for the year ending April , lB4l, with the 5 per cent, additional taxes and customs, and the 10 per cent. increase upon the as sessed taxes, only 47,433,000/., being an actual reduction of 400,0001. upon the receipts of the previous year. It appeared from that that the Right Honourable Gentleman had miscalculated to the amount of 2,800,0001. upcn the year. He (Mr. Hume) had cautioned the Right Hon. Gentleman last year against laying on additional taxes upon the uecsssaries of lite, because he might be assured that they were only trampling upon the interests of la bour, and depriving the mass cf the people of employment, by which they were incapacitated from purchasing the or dinary supply of excisable articles. It appeared to him that they should have laid a tax upon the landed property of the country, and that it should be placed on the same footing as personal property, by which miliions might be obtained annually. He did not think that the Right Honourable Gentleman bad any thing to boast of with regard to his estimate—on the contrary he might take the result as a lesson for the time to come. He did think the Right Hon. Gent. had acted right on the present occasion. He did think that the Government, looking at the failure in the necessaries of life with which the country was afflicted, and lookirg at the privations which a large portion of the community, the industrious classes, a ere subject to now, while they were willing to work but unable to obtain employment, anxious to pay taxes if they could, but incapable of doing so, in conse quence of the monopolies which Parliament had kept up, and the murder—he could call it by no other name— of a certain portion of the people, he did think that under these circumstances the Government had taken toe wisest course. Tens of thousands had been deprived of the means of subsistence in consequence of our provision laws, which thus ruined the people. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Chan cellor of the Exchequer could not find one individual who had looked to the state of the country who would not advise him not to lay any further taxes on the necessaries of lif . He was therefore perfectly right in what he had done, and he (Mr. Hume) thought that the result would meet his expectations. He hoped that the Right Honourable Gentleman would lay before the House for its information all those statements which be had read that evening. If he (Mr. Hume) rightly understood the plan of the Government it was this, that they were about to remodel the Corn-laws. That was the first measure ; and that they were also to change the duty on wheat, timber, and sugar, the most important ar ticles. He thought that the Right Hon. Gentleman had thus taken the best means to keep up the revenue—he thought the Right Honourable Gentleman would do a ell under the circumstances to leave it to the President of the Board of Trade to supply the deficiencies of the country. He was persuaded that tie contemplated changes would be productive of benefit to the consumer beyond any measure brought forward in his (11r. H.'s) time; while they would not only not de crease the revenue, but greatly add to it, and the working men would thus have the means of earning for themselves a livelihood, and need not be dependent for their subsistence on the Poor-law, or any other source. And let him tell the Noble Lord, who had charge of the Poor-law in that House, that many of the complaints which had been brought forward against the Bill, would never have been heard if her Majesty's Government, two or three years ago, or at the time of its introduction, had brought in such a measure as that which they now proposed to introduce. By the intended change they might safely leave the working classes to thee. own resources, because they would throw open ti them the markets of the world, and thus enable them to earn a sub sistence, free from the trammels of a workhouse. He hailed the proposed change as a good beginning, and hoped yet to see his fellow-countrymen happy and corn. fortable, despising the Poor-law, because it would be a dead letter ; he hoped yet to see that time, fur no man was willing to lahcur so hard as as Englishman, whenever it was possiele for hint to procure it. Was it fair, was it honest, was it merciful for that House, to maintain laws which pressed so hardly, and proved so destructive to those who could net help themselves ?—( Hear, hear.) He bailed the measure as a means of putting an end to the sufferirgs of the poor, of creating a permanent revenue, and of benefiting all classes in the community. He hoped, before the discussion closed, to hear the Right. Hon. Member for Tamworth repeat that he had no objection to the consideration of the Corn-laws. —(Cheers.) Two years sge he objected to go into the consideration of those laws, without at the same time, taking into consi deration the duties upon every other article of pro duce.—( Chi ors.) Now he did hope that the Right Hon. Baronet would give that satisfacion to the country by say ittg that, in his opinion, all laws should be made for the benefit of all, to forward the interests of all classes, and that, if any class should be favoured, above all others it should be the poor man, who lived under laws in the making of which he had no voice. He rejoiced at the change which was about to take place, and if it could be carried out it would work the regenera. tion of the country.—( Cheers.) He would ask what would be the state of the landed interest of the country ? What would it be worth, if the country were to become a country of beggars in consequence of the operation of bad la ws ? C ou ld t h at b e cons i dered a satisfactory state of the country, when every meeting was obliged to be held und er the pratection of policemen ?How, could the rich men of the country enjoy their comforts when they knew that they were surrounded by others of their countrymen who were starving ?—(Loud cheers.) How could they enjoy their comforts and luxuries, when they knew that by their monopolies they were pauperizing the working classes for the sake of the landed interest themselves? For the general interest and security of Englishmen, they must have equal Legislation—( Hear and cheers. )—and there must be an end to this monopoly of the landed interest. On that ground he congratulated the country on the prospect before them. Instead of endless debates on party questions, and on Poor-laws, they now saw the means placed within the reach of every Eng ishman of earning his subsiitence.—( Cheers.) He bad not hitherto had it—his had teen a hard fate, placed in the midst of the rich, whose luxuries bad been obtained by keeping up the present infamous system, which had rendered the poor men miserable.—( Hear, bear.) He hoped they might now look forward, to a better system, and ore which, con. sidering the manufacturing capabilitities of the country, held out the b r i g h test prospect. The Chancellor of the Exchequer bad alluded to the Gerrrae Leag ue to which another State had b een a d ded, to the United States and to the Brazils. Wi t h regard te the Brazils a t the present moment, the country took from four to five millions annually of our manufactures, and did not take above 500,000/. annua l ly of their we duce. They w ere new a b out to alter the tariff andpex clude us. Let British manufactures he excluded from that market and from the United States as they assuredly would he, he would ask the landed proprietors what their possessions would be worth, with millions in a state of ?starvation, and how could they enjoy these possessions comfortably when they b e li eved the peop le of England bad been driven to distress through their monopolies? He felt obliged to the Government for the manner in whi ch eney had brought forward th e quest i on. It was no t a Ipar;y, hut a national questile.—( Cheers.) And he , sheuld be sorry to make use cf a single phrase that, would have the effect of making it a party one. With regeee to the Post-office revenue they would find that in the year in which the reduction bad been made the total cayenne of the country was greater than in the year pse *ceding in In 1838 the revenue was 46,000,000/. In 1839 47,933 ,000/., and in the year 1 840 47,843,0001. B ut Chat system would never work well in its present state. From lkia habits and station, a Peer of the realm was unfit he the h ea d o f that deparament—( Hear, bear)— and as a proof of the i ns fficiency of the present system b e would merely the tubject se v er to the speech of Mr. Spring Ric e on w i nced as b . ewaso tu A Noble Letel (Lowther) teas as tully con e necessity of Post-office reform, and t nn' he defici ency co • lamed of would continue until the re tforms should be effected. He thought. also, that the Go an:lest:ereipptiroi"na-. wernment should require every letter to be pre-Paid' e small, - number now paid for w cipal expense was letters ineurreredinly Oa the whole, although lessening the expenditure of nothing noon of that ' had l ' ee en said about at the spirit in which the R7,„ , ""_,` c ry, b e was pleased Chancellor of the Exchequ • e ea .s a nt ope ll a on ed . i;Gitebnuidicfeta.n the e .t rely concurred in th , pressor?, and I, e w' • sentimentsspec that the ywwhich had ' been ex alla•ceur.t,y at I hrhh : Mr, C ISTO PI - IE R said sobservahions which wer e of c alculated to lead to snake any make de bate on the sub' t he Corn-laws, resery gaer vv io at a he f would be echoed by had to say until it i was brought under the con the , house by the Noble Lord the Secretary for th e C O l O. elks. Still, as the representative of a large county Con _ 'stituency, he thought be had a rig h t to complain of t h e manner in which the Chancellor of the Exchequer had re gard ou to ght tha t t ha p t a , rticul ar sub ell:tressed himself with th instead of sect.—{Hear, h ear.) H e the lino of conduct which l bad been pursued, her e was fo w rse h a ia r h d Majesty's Government as a united Government, ose sad have h te a d ve wbat co i m t av u e d sta they intended to pro Gentleman had distiPnctl.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. stated what he intended to with respect to the dut y te s propose !Leen thrown out as s on timber and sugar; and it bad a clap- trap to a try, that certain mod ticer tain class in this coon ca ions would e on the importation of fore' b _proposed of the duties the House axljoumed her m r e t s rrn. He trusted that before ward and distinctly state the 'lnters' llinisters would come for_ to the Cohn-laws. __ s et ions of the Government in thought his Hot:. Colleague opposite (Mr. Handley) should put the question to the Go- i Friend near him would present his propositions to the House vernment no less than himself. Unless some declaration were at as early a day as possible, consistently with the convenience made, the announcement would be received as it ought to be, of the House, and he should bring the question, of which he namely, as an attempt to conciliate those who differed from the had given notice, on the day he had stated.—( Cheers. ) He Government.—( Hear.) trusted that what he had said as to the general principle of the Mr. HANDLEY could assure the Hon. Gentleman who measure, would rather have a good than a prejudicial effect, had just spoken, that he did not represent the whole county and if advantage should be taken of what he had stated for the of Lincoln, in his opinion on this subject. Whenever the purpose of attacking the proposition before the grounds on question was fairly brought forward, he would be prepared to which it was supported could be brought forward, he could perform his - duty to his constituents.—( Hear, hear.) only say that at the request of the Noble Lord, and for the Mr. GOULBURN wished to put a question to the Right purpose of forwarding the public business, he had gone out Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The of the usual course of proceeding.—(Loud cheers. ) Right Hon. Gentleman had stated that there was 1,800,0001. Sir R. PEEL said that if the Noble Lord anticipated to be provided for. He further calculated the deficiency in the that the proposition which he was about to make on the part next year to amount to the sam of two millions. He had told of the Government on the subject of the Corn-laws might be the House how he intended to provide for the coming defici- prejudiced by the partial disclosure of those intentions which he ency, but he (Mr. Goulburn) would be glad to be informed had just made, the Noble Lord had the remedy in his own how he meant to provide for the deficiency in the last year, as hands. The Noble Lord might, as he was in duty bound, the Exchequer Bills were so reduced that there was no fund have taken an earlier period of informing them what was for that purpose? the measure both in principle and details which it was The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that the intention of the Government to propose on the sub- he should issue Exchequer Bills for that purpose. ject of the Corn-laws.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) Of Mr. GLADSTONE wished to put a question with respect to what avail was it to state that it was thee intention to propose the import duties on sugar. The Right Hon. Gentleman had a moderate fixed duty, when they affor ed no means of as advised the House that he intended to alter the duty on foreign certaming what the amount of that fixed duty was to he ? sugar from 633. to 365., the additional duty of 5 per cent. re- (Loud cheers.) Did not the Noble Lord see that the an maining in each case ; and he had stated that he expected by nouncing the intention of the Government to propose a mode that alteration to realise a sum of at least 700,0001. Ile (Mr. rate fixed duty without stating the amount, and leaving Gladstone) wished to know upon what datathat calculation was the country in a state of uncertainty on the subject founded. He would put to the Honourable Gentleman for five weeks, was a proceeding that was both wan three questions on this subject. First, what did the Hon. toe and unnecessary ?—( Loud cheers.) If at the com- Gentleman calculate would be the amount of sugar imported mencement of the Session the Noble Lord had intimated from the British possessions in the East and West Indies and his intention of bringing the Corn-laws under the considera • the Mauritius during the coming year ? and, secondly, what tion of the House, he might have been justified in not entering did he calculate would be the consumption of the United into details on the subject, but the Noble Lord had stated his Kingdom during the coming year ? His third question re- intention of moving for the Committee just before they entered lated to the time when this object was to be discussed He on the consideration of the Budget.—(Cheers.) The duty to sincerely hoped that there might be no unnecessary delay, as be levied on foreign corn was to be considered as port of the nothing could be more distressing to those who held sugar in revenue of the country—( Cheering and counter cheering) this country, as well as to those who purchased it, than the and the Chancellor of the Exchequer had taken credit for what uncertainty which prevailed with reference to the intentions of he had calculated might be produced by the duty to be im her Majesty's Government. Therefore he hoped her Ma- posed ou the importation of foreign corn.—(Cheers.) The jetty's Government would fix an early day to bring for- Noble Lord had declared that it was the intention of the Go ward their proposal for altering the duties on sugar. vernment to propose a moderate fixed duty, without stating The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he would what that mnderate fixed duty was to be. The Chancellor of the look at his papers fur the purpose of seeing whether he could Exchequerhadgiven some indication ot what might he itsprobahle answer the questions. amount. The explanations of the Noble Lord only tended toe Mr. WARD said the subject of the Corn-laws was too large fuse the question. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said he anti and important to be discussed incidentally ; and it would be eipated that the Customs revenue would amount to 22,000,0001.; impossible to enter into it without absorbing the whole time of last year, it had only amounted to 21,700,0001. ; and he anti the House. But he could not help expressing his sa- cipated a revenue of of 400.0001. from the duty on corn, but tisfaetion at the announcement which had been made, and he 1,000,0001. of the revenue of 1840 had been derived from the duty on corn. Now, was this proposed revenue to be derived in addition to the former revenue, or not? He, therefore, left the country in uncertainty as to whether the revenue he ex pected to derive from the moderate fixed duty was 400,0001., or 1,600,0001. In that article, which affected the food of the whole country, was it to be supposed that attempts would not be made to obtain the amount of that fixed duty ? What would be the state of the country, while that state of uncertainty continued? It would affect the value of every species of property connected with the sale of corn. The price of estates, the relative situation of landlord and tenant, all our manufactures connected with the production of corn—all would be left in a state of uncertainty in consequence of the unwar rantable delay of the Noble Lord.—(Loud cheers.) If the Noble Lord did not bring forward this question at an earlier period of his own good will, he did not despair that the ex pression of the general sense of the country—(Cheers)—he did not despair that that House would not permit the Noble Lord —(Cheers, which drowned the conclusion of the sentence. ) That House would not consent to be made the instrument of agitation throughout the country—( Loud cheers)—as it would be if, after the announcement of the decision of the Government, the consideration of the measure were to be delayed for such a length of time.—( Cheers.) They should also consider the particular time at which the announcement had been made b the Government (Cheers)-- immediately after the many signal defeats which that Government had recently experienced—(Loud cheers)— he could not believe that the country would acquiesce in a o — s i n ( ou o d f e p h os e t e p r o s n o eme l n t t was of im th p e os c s o ih n l s e id t e o ra te t o io k n at of the country without the deepest anxiety.—(Cheers.) It t h e t he fin q a u n e e s i t a i l o n p . would be unwise and unworthy of any man who took a com prehensive view of our present condition to venture to give a decided opinion as to our financial condition. So far as the pro isositions of the Government relating to the commerce or the country went, be would take them into his serious consideration. reserving to himself the liberty of deciding on them, as hereafter be might see fit; but when he considered the insufficient and imperfect data furnished by the Right Hon. Gentleman in his apology for a Budget (Cheers arid laughter)—when he considered the absence of all calculation as to how the deficiency in the revenue was to be met—he considered that it would be unworthy of himself to enter into details on the subject. After a lapse of five years they found a de • ficiency in their income, as compared with their expenditure, of 7,575,000/. He saw the Chancellor of the Exchequer, fa miliar as he must be with the subject, was astonished at his statement, but he would prove that such was the case. In 1838 the deficiency amounted to 1,422,0001. ; in 1839 to 430,0001. , in 1840 to 1,457,000/. ; in 1841 to 1,851,0001. ; and in 1842 the estimated deficiency amounted to 2.421,000 e, making an aggregase of 7,575,0001. Now who was responsible for this?—(Loud cheers.) The Ministry entered office pro fessing their main objects to be retrenchment and economy. He asked that the result of this policy should be tested by the expenditure. He asked for the accounts of their ad ministration, and those accounts showed that a deficiency of 7i millions was the result of their financial policy for five jeers. —(Loud cheers). This was not the result of a failing revenue ; en the contrary, the revenue had maintained itself. In 1836 it had amounted to 46,270,0001; they had reduced the taxation in 1841; and for 1842 they estimated the revenue at 48,310,0001. according , to the statement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer ; conse quently they had a surplus revenue of 2,410,000/. as compared with 1836, and yet with this increased revenue the result was a deficiency of seven milliceis and a half. The Hon. Member for Kilkenny said they had voted for larger estimates.— (Cheers.) No doubt they had, because they considered that the position of the country absolutely required that the expenditure should be increased. But was it they who voted for that increase who were responsible, or those who gavetheir unabated confidence to that Ministry by whose policy the necessity for this increased expenditure had been created ?—( Hear and cheers.) Would it not have been perfectly competent for Mr. Fox to have supported the increased estimates for 1796, and yet to have condemned the line of policy by which the necessity for that increase had been created ?—( Cheers.) It was perfectly consistent for him say such are the exigencies of the country that the public safety demands that our army should be augmented to an equality with that of other countries. He perfectly agreed that it was not right to leave Canada or the northern frontier of India unprotected, but he had a right to say that this in crease was the general scope and result of their financial po licy, and a Government which, after a lapse of five years, ex hibi'ed as the result of their financial policy a deficiency of seven and a half millions, was at least open to suspicion that the economy and retrenchment which they had stated on taking office to be the main object of their po licy had not been attained.—(Loud cheering.) But supposed they had effected a saving to that extent, would they not have taken credit to themselves for the results of their just and iprudent policy ? —( Loud cheers )—and, when the reverse happened to be the case, ought they not to be held responsible ? —(Cheers.) He believed that consideration for public safety demanded an increase of expenditure, but he looked to the results, and when he saw that with an increasing revenue there was a deficiency of seven and a half millions in five years, he thought he was entitled to express a doubt whether such an Administration was entitled to take credit for retrench ment and economy.—(Cheers.) Let them consider their pre sent position there was a deficiency of 2,400,0001. in the revenue for the past year. On one point he agreed with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that it was a disgrace to be in creasing our debt during a state of profound peace, and that our revenue ought to be raised so as to meet our expenditure. Hear, hear, hear.) He proposed to raise 1,700,0004 by some means or other how, he had afforded them no means of ascertaining. He had observed that the example of the alteration in our commercial policy might be beneficial, but they were then only o consider it in a financial point of view, and suppose it should not produce the effect anticipated by the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, suppose it should not fill the coffers of the State, sup- pose it should not produce the anticipated amount of revenue ? —(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Gentleman anticipated a revenue of 50,000,000/., but the expenditure he anticipated amounted to 50,731,0001., so that even if all his calculations should be realized, there would be a deficiency of 731,0e01. But the Right Hon. Gentleman said from the deficiency of 2,400,000/. there were various deductions to be made. There was the experee of the expediaon to China, and the increase in the Navy debt ; but making a d. duction on account of those two items, there would still be upon the Right Hon Gentle man's own showing, a deficiency for the present year of 140,0001. When the revolution in Canada first broke out he made the same statement. He said that in a country with inch com plicated relations as this, calculations should be made for such contingencies.—(Hear, hear.) The Chinese war had shewn that these were possible events. The war in Afghanistan, and the military operations in Syria had shown that his caution was well founded.--( Hear, hear.) He would not hazard an opinion as to what might be the effect of this financial measure, for he felt too deeply the magnitude of the interests involved in it, and the 'oily of pronouncing an irrevo table opinion upon them.—( Cheers, and counter cheers.) When the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Ex chequer said that he would not to-night discuss the policy of those measures, there was a sort of a cheer or a titter—( Cheers and laughter)--which implied that when such magnificent projects were introduced the House had nothing to do but to agree with them. But it was to be remembered that those :cry propositions respecting the sugar duties were last year drought forward by the Honourable Member for Wigan Chat Hon. Gentleman last year moved that the -duty o n s e _ tip sugar should be reduced from 665. to 365. per cu•. and the present proposition was to reduce it from 6- 1 .4 . here being a difference of only 2s. per cwt,—/ dioposition of the Hon. Member for W: ~,peers.) The the large majority of 122 to 27, ..gan wag itjacted by .nan the Chancellor of tve- __sad - the Right (Hein. Gentle- Cheers.) He d;- 1 ... Li:idle:we was 111 that majority.— not adopting- not IrtN• tO this its twe slightaiit reason for quires the proposition this year, If circumst ances re it. The Right ROM G'etitlernan the President of the cioard of Trade well and tabderately opposed the motion, say ing that he agreed with all the fitancial repsons of the mover, but that he feared it . would area In luriously the interests of the sugar teloniesi ins encourage he produce of slave-owning, Stifess—t Hear, hear.) He did .tot say that there was eitythllig in that which should exclude the Right Hen. Gentleman from re-considering the subject.— , Hear, hear.) Nor would he go to the length (tia sehleh the .tight Hon. and Learned Member for the TeeVer,Elardleta and he Member for Dublin went) of saying that the allehtion ought not to be made under any cieetinstanita; VisliNk it Would give encouragement to the slave-holdittg States. But he thought that after the sacrifices which England had made to put down slavery, that the objection to the reduction on that .round was worthy of grave consideration.-41lears hear. ) With respect to the Corn-'hews, lsie thtliiiht it was the duty of the Right Hon. Gentitman to state explicitly what were his intentions On that subject, as he had done on the timber and sugar duties—and prevent the dreadful animosities, to which the doubts that were left in the public mind mast give rise. --e Hear, hear.) If the Right Hon. Gentleman re fused to explain his views to-night, it was his duty to take the earliest opportunity of doing so.—.(Much cheering. ) Lord 3. RUSSELL did not blame the Right Hon. Gen tleman for declining to express an opinion on the propositions .f his Right Hon. Friend. Nothing could be more reasonable han that he s h ou ld take tine to consider. Neither .voulti he complain that the Right Hon. Gentleman had re erred to his usual book of consolation, Hansard's Parliamentary reports.—(Laughter. ) But nothing that had been said by the .tight Honourable Gentleman in any way affected the case of the dar o G n e o t v e fi rn n d m f e a n u t l H t h e t a h r e , h e e x a p r. e n ) d t D e r id e t o h n e t R h e i g h s a t mHeo ngrounds is the Hon. Member-for Kilkenny?—(Ch eers. Not at all. ) ft would be strange if he did. For th e chief topic of blame vith his party, with regard to the army and navy, and espe eially the navy, was that the estimates were not sufficient.— Cheers.) He (Lord J. Russell) was ready to own that at one time the naval stores were not sufficient. But when an , ccasion came the ships were fitted out and manned and sent ea sea, with rapidity—(Cheers) —and without ostentation or bustle—(Cheers)—so as to call for the admit-l ien of foreign nations, although those things were not loticed by the Right Hon. Gentleman or those around him.— s Cheers.) With respect to the army. also, it was made a matter hoped that the . plan which was proposed would be broad, and suited to the interests of the country. The Government should be prepared to deal fairly with the manufacturing in terests of this country. Representing as he did a large manu facturing town, which had suffered the most painful privations from the want of a free commercial intercourse with the United States, he should be wanting in duty to those who sent him to this House if he did not express the great satisfaction with which he had heard that night great truths in high places—(Cheers)—great principles simply laid down, which, if fairly and boldly worked out by the Government, would ensure to it a corresponding support. The Right Hon. Gen tleman who had just addressed the House had admitted that the financial affairs of this country had arrived at a crisis, and some bold steps must be taken for remedying the evil. He begged to remind the House, in conclusion, that the present Government had paid the expenses of the wars in which this country had been engaged as they arose.—(Hear, hear.) Though the wars were not of great magnitude, it was a new feature which ought not to be overlooked—(Hear, hear)—in considering the subject before the House. Lord F. EGERTON said that though this was not the proper time for entering at length into the discussion, he could not help expressing his unmitigated astonishment, not that the subject of the Corn-laws should have been announced for discussion by the Right Hon. Gentleman—(Hear, hear) — though he should not have thought it possible that that subject should be introduced by a Government, at the head of which was a Noble Lord who had delivered some very strong opi nions on the subject—(Hear, hear)—but he chiefly rose to express his astonishment that the discussion on that subject should have been postponed for five mortal weeks.—( Hear, hear.) He owned he should have thought, considering its importance, that it was a subject upon which, in the present condition and circumstances of the country, the Government would have made up its mind as to what it would do.—( Hear. ) But it would be sodisgraceful to the Government that a subject of such vital importance—a subject which involved every transaction relating to landed property—that he could not sup pose that any Ministry holding the reins of office in this country could trifle with such a question.—(Hear, hear.) He did not intend in alluding to the subject to express a censure of the Government, for he did not feel himself called upon on that occasion to do so. He could not, however, but express his belief that the Noble Lord, who might at any time come down at five o'clock to propose any measure he should think advisable, ought to have fixed upon an earlier day for intro ducing his intended alteration in the Corn-laws. He (Lord Egerton) could not imagine why the Noble Lord had not done so. Let the country be allowed to decioe without delay on that great question, and let there be no delay in appealing to their judgment. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Noble Lord seemed ex ceedingly angry and indignant—(" Hear, hear," from the Mi nisterial benches)—at something, but what that something was he (Lord J. Russell) could not tell. It. was not tha the Corn-laws were to be discussed—it was not that the question was to be brought forward by the Government—it was not that the question should be fairly and impartally considered ; on all these topics the Noble Lord was not angry ; but he said there was somethin o e in his imagination the No b le Lord h a d a very powerful imagination—(Laughter) —which induced him to feel angry at the course which the Government had taken. As he (Lord John Russell) had already said, he could not pre tend to the imagination of the Noble Lord, and therefore he could not tell what he had been driving at. With regard to the lateness of the time at which he proposed to bring forward his measure, the Noble Lord was right in saying that on cer tain days at five o'clock, he (Lord John Russell) might bring forward any motion he might think expedient; but the Noble Lord did not seem to have attended to the importance of the questions which had already been before the House. The great subjects connected with the Budget would still de mand a separate consideration, and it would not be convenient to mix up with these questions others of an equally important nature. a here was a very important subject which had already occupied much of the attention of the House before Easter ; and he should think it a most inconvenient course to bring forward any other measuro before that had been decided. He could not imagine that any Hon. Gentleman on the opposite side meant to shrink from the course which the majority of all parties had taken on the Poor-law Bill —( Hear, hear.) Such a mode of proceeding was only imputed to them by their friends and supporter: ; but he (Lord J. Rursell) had no 'ap prehension of tne kind, and he conceived the House would be ready to proceed wth that question as it had hitherto done. He would proceed with that measure before he undertook any thing of an important nature. That seemed to him a very simple explanation of what had made the Noble Lord so angry, and he was sorry his imagination had become so excited upon the subject.—(Hear.) Colonel SIBTHORP said that it was clear to him that the Noble Lord opposite, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, had put their heads together for the purpose of seeing how they should extricate themselves from themselves, and on that occasion the Chancellor of the Exchequer must have said to the Noble Lord—" Let us try the Cornlaws—we will then seem to feel for the people, and anxious to take off their burdens." But let him (Colonel Sibthorp) tell them that they seemed altoge ther to have forgotten that they were themselves the grievous oppressors of the labouring class, by the persevering votes which they had given in support of the new Poor-law. He did not expect to see Ministers have the decency to resign, but he hoped that the Sovereign would soon call upon them to surrender the powers which they abused to the injury of the country. } Lord ANDON said that he was at a loss equally with his Hon. Friend the Member for Newark, to understand what were the grounds on which the Chancellor of the Exchequer expected hereafter an increase in the revenue. To hira it appeared that the hopes of the Right Honourable Gentleman were mere guess-work—mere conjecture; and he thought the House was entitled to know on what data he proceeded when he stated that a change in the system of duties would produce a change in the revenue. It was also surely most important that the Noble Lord should tell them distinctly what was the measure with regard to the Corn-laws which he intended to introduce. —( Opposition cheers.) 'I he reason he had already assigned for his silence on the subject was, that it was not his measure they were debating. But there would be no question of importance next week to occupy their attention, as the Noble Lord had himse,f postponed for another week the further con sideration of the New Poor-law. How, then, did the Noble Lord intend to occupy the next week ?—( Hear, hear.) Let it also be remembered that in the interval of suspense they woulo have the whole country agitated for principles of free trade on the one side and the contrary principles on the other. If Ministers had declared their real intentions they might du much to allay public excitement ; or, at all events, they would relieve all parties from the inconvenience of agitating on an undefined question without any statement to guide them. He would ask the Noble Lord what excuse he could give for not telling them distinctly whether he intended a fluctuating or a fixed duty, and what was to be its amount ? It' their in tentions remained unknown they would raise exaggeraten hopes on the part of the manufacturing population, and exag gerated tears on the part of the agriculturists. He hoped therefore, the Noble Lord would boldly tell the country wha. was the precise course which he meant to pursue ; and he din not think the House or the country should be left in suspense upon the subject.—( Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said that he could not see how hi: Noble Friend had any right to reproach him with the course he had taken. He believed that it would have been entirely unusual on his part to have taken any other course, and, pro bably, as far as he knew, without any precedent. He, certainly. h t Ld f t en e k n tef h e : rertayhsl they yct ahsuteesaeduncatolthlhu course s t pgeaa w rv h wtei e ca n usnl o a avtri G escreo o y f v o e obt r nh n , a m it oth e uep n sr,s t ouib,hoes had seciact tivaosnesp some paaeonnsdti out line iituobti r line of a measure was given without the reasons by which it might be supported, all those who might g object to it arguments sd against the st it whilereat t adr e n gt tag o advantage of swhich bringing mforwardiht justifythe its introduction remained unknown. When notice had bee g hth i a v ed e nee measuresmv on ear n bchei the ape dan s t u i no b mon j e ta c od tbfe been the hne t h as sti e taavtt ß ehe 3de e o tineo r x m t tahhce ß et mi House. a , eots o uut r sr_ :leen o d f t enof h s thn m_ eo e a ri n s e u r tp p t ut f . e remarks in ans wer t o t h e reproaches of the Nhrr. ,' • .uade theist ever, it it was thought that an explanat" ...toe Lord. IL t e l i o e n le , s c h f y the di m m e c as ti u n r g e waotuteldrotend any iuwn way tot hegeneralpriltwna--- prevent ag e intended sho u ld b e on to poi n t s y which it was no have no hesitati on • -.ought b e f ore the House, he ni (' he meant t o in saying that th e genera l pr i nciple on whirin stated'''. proceed, was the same principle which h e h a , the .. that Hou se an d e l sew h ere some years n ago—namely principle of a mo d erate fi red duty —( inisteal chee rs . He had al rea d y stated that to be his Own individual wish h, that House andvlsewhere, arid in bringing forward a measure founded apron that principle, he would introduce it as the mea sure of the Government in general—as the measure of t h t Cabihet, united up on t h at question ; and he was quite sure that his Noble Fiend (Lord Melbourne) would be regardless of the taunts which the Noble Lord, the Member fo r Lanca shire, had ch o s en t o direct again by against him th at night.— ( H ear. the a nudl de principles thoughttha he should th. had wstaastetdh.erefHoreedpidrepnaortedthto abideinkitnecessary, the House would not thi n k i t r i g h t thatenter int, the details.—(Loud cheers.) With regard to the general principles on which the Governm en t was prepared to act trait stated before the Easter holid ays t h e general course of P h o e hey which the Government was prepared t o a d opt with respeci io trade. He believed that sound as were those general prin ciples, and unanswerable as were the theoretical arguments b which they were supported, even if those principles were still more sound, or those arguments still more unanswerable or. ordinary occasions, yet the present state of this nation was one which more particularly required the application of those prin ciPles—(Loud cheers)—not only on account of the great benefit to be derived from their pruden y t pe a r p il p s l_icaLio u n id . If they br a be cause our present situation was one in whicl alon mischiefs—(Loud cheering)—not to sa to snake no change e be avoided by their judicious application.—(Cheers.) were determined, he would not sac to adopt or to reject they were gnin this or that and exclusion , proposition, but if they were determined the commercial policy of the country— ifcould not prove otherwise-"uld determinedthey to stand by the principle of monopoly terests of the cou than be adopting a line of policy that ntry fatal to the commercial it,. „ ~..-(Leud -cheers.) His Bight Hon. of complaint that the Government did not ask for money 1 regulations, that not more than two returned with cargoes to enough.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. baronet found this country. He looked to the consumer, as if no pasty fault neither with the expenditure nor the policy of the Go- but a British sutject would be a sufferer if he rejected vernment. He did not find fault with their policy in Canada, the boon so long withheld. Wish reference to the expenses in China, or in the Levan-.—(cheers.) There was no doubt said to have beers incurred during tire adminittration of the that the income in the lastsix years actually exceeded the ordi- j Government, and particularly that i elating to our naval force, nary expenditure by 3,339,129/. He said that, looking to the 'he begged to call the attention of the House to what had ren ordinary expenditure, and not to contingencies—(Cheers)— dered it necessary. Was it not the conduct of those Gentle he thought they were justified in maintaining the principle men who, when the Navy Estimates were under considera enunciated by his Right Hon. Friend, that they should not tion, had found it necessary to depreciate our navy in the eyes allow the income to fall below the expenditure—to that prinei- of ,foreign countries?--( Cheers.) He hoped that it would ple they were determined to adhere. The Right Hon. Baronet teach them more discretion, sinee they found such proeeediugs said that he (Lord John Russell) ought immediately to bring , must be ultimately paid tor.—(Hear, hear.) To conclusie, forward the intention of the Government with respect to the ' those, whom he had the honour to represent, had sought relief Corn-laws. Now, Ulm was to say that the Government held in a variety of forms, and had impressed upon him tee impor the doctrine of a total repeal, then there might be room for tance of emigration ' . but before he supported such a proposie considerable agitation in the country. But, as they held the tion, he should wish to see the result of the present intention principle of a fixed duty, he saw no reason to anticipate any of the Government to do justice, and which, if fairly carried such disturbance of the public mind as the Right Ho- into effect, he was persuaded would be followed by tee bench nourable Baronet seemed to fear.—( Hear.) He did not cial effects that were so much required.—(Cheers.) think that the proposition of the Government was liable to the fur. AARON CHAPMAN objected to the measure pro imputation thrown upon it by the Right Hon. Baronet. As posed to be brought forward by the Chancellor of the Exche to the Corn-laws in general, every one knew that it had been quer. The proposition respecting the timber duties would, he the subject of discussion for years—(Hear, hear)—it had cm- conceived, if carried into effect, be attended with the most stantly been a topic of agitation. Ile had no doubt commer- ruinous consequences to the maritime and commercial interest of cial men would pay earnest attention to what might be the de- the country, and if so would place in jeopardy the interests cision of Parliament upon the subject ; but he could not con- of the navy. ceive that any agitation more than usual would follow the an- Mr. LABOUCHERE did not rise to address at arty nouncement he had made. He thought it was a matter of length observations on any of those great questions which had duty to go on with many important Bills which were befwe been announced to the House by his Right Hon. Friend the the House to forward them, rather than at once to come to adis- Chancellor of the Exchequer, because he (Mr. Labouchere) cussion of the Corn-laws. The Right Honourable Baronet was aware that there would be future opeortunities of discuss might endeavour to crush the question by forcing on an ing each of these questions with the deliberation to which early discussion of the matter, but that was an attempt that they were entitled, inasmuch as they were the three must could not succeed. The question was one i-f too great im- important questions connected with the trade and revenue portance, and if that House were to deal unfairly by it, or re- of this country.—(Hear, hew%) But some remarks of fused to discuss it upon fair terms, they would greatly aggra- a general nature had been made in the course of the debate vete every objection held against these laws, and the question which made him ask for the indulgence of the Committee for a would be forced upon them with increased strongth. What few moments. His Noble Friend the Member for Northum he was anxious for was that the subject should be discussed berland had asked the Government whether they were about to with temper and calmness.—(Hear, hear.) He was sorry to bring forward the question of the Corn-laws as an isolated see the disposition shown on the other side of the Hou-e.— question, or as one connected with some general principle which (Cheers.) He could not but s a y th a t the anger shown by the they were disposed to recommend for general adoption by that Gentlemen opposite was, not because he had postponed the House and the country. He (Mr. L.) had nu difficulty in question for a few weeks, but because it was entertained by giving a distinct answer to that question. He thought it was the G ov ernment at all.—( t. beers.) Rut, be that as it might, clearly stated by his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the it would not alter the course which the duty of the Go- Exchequer that the Government, in proposing to the House to vernment pointed out to them to pursue. —(Cheers.) ' reduce the duty upon corn, did not do so in reterence to that Mr. WAKLEY was not one of those who joined in the one question mei ely, however important it might be, but did so exultati on shown on his side of the House, when the Right inasmuch as they came to the conclusion thatit was necessary for Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer opened his Budget. They the general interest of this country arid for the whole commercial were told that next year there was still to be a deficiency system.—( Hear.) 'f hey thought that it would be at once unjust of 2,400,000/. ; to make up this, 400,000/. was calculated upon and impossible to do so without attempting to grapple with the from some a lt e ration of the Corn-laws, but were they sure to difficulties whatever they might be of what was the greatest of carry thei r m e asure? However, h e did not think the people of all the commercial questions of the country. And indeed he the country would be satisfied with the statement. What would be ashamed of the position in which the Government they want e d w a s a redu e o ol of expenditure, without stood before the House and the country , if , whi.e the y were which they cou ld h ave no real redef. The school of adversity preparing to recommend a change in the mailuireturiug and taught srme very useful lessons, and might he ask when the comme cial interes , s which should bring sutlering on a parti new light brok e i n upon etini s t ess ?_( Cheers.) Was it since cular class, though it was in their opinion oesirahle for the last night ?—( Loud Tory cheers.) Ihe Noble Lord asked general interest of the community—he would be ashamed, he for, and had obt a i ne d, an ackno w l e dgment that he was actuated said, if they shrunk from this question mere y because they ap by none but pure motives in bringing forward the question of preheated that any alteration in that question would the Corn-laws. But if the Whig store-shop was run nut, aed encounter more opposition than any other , ines they were obliged t o come to t h e R a d ica l shoo for their coin- much as the most powerful parties might he modities—(Loud laughter )—they ought to have the manliness supposed to have an interest in the continuarice of the Com to acknowledge their poverty, and recognise those from whom laws. That was a course of conduct whi h, if Government they sought assistance. M hy, he would ask, was that the yursced, they would be justly liable to time reproaches of taat peculiarly fit time? was it more fit than last year, or had it rot House and the country. Something had been said of his Hon. been for late events? and had the question been brought for- Friend having made the Corn-laws a budget-question. He ward by the representative of a large met ro politan b oroug h, (-Mr. Labouchere) did not think tha his It ght Hon. Friend would he not have been denominated a mischievous demagogue? did. What he said was, that conceiving it was convenient, he —(Loud laughter.) The Noble Lord had obtained from the was prepared to recommend further alterations in the same di- House an acknowledgment that he was actuated by the prin- rection, and thinking it right to consider the question of ihe ciples of pure p a t r iotism. He would, then, probably agree Kith Corn-laws at the same time, and anticipating from the pro him t,,res t t h s a o t f t t h h e e remi g ht be more than one Engli s h Cato.—( Loud pose]. which Government wuuid make, he would not ask laughter.) H e h a d a l ways a d vocate d a c h ange i n t h e C orn- t h e H ouse t o i mpose taxes t o p ro d uce money which he antici laws—he had al wa y s t h oug h t t h em i n j ur i ous to t h e b est i n _ p a ted c ou ld b e pro c ured by other sources. i hat wss the country, but that question would not be tak en manner in which his Right Henourable Friend had alone—it affected every interest in the country. It was to he ntroduced the subject. He introduced it incidentally, and it remembered that th e f arme r was a manufacturer, and that the was thus it became involved in the question of the Budget. He labourer was, in many cases, a most skilled artisan. The (Mr. L.) had said that it was desirable they should carry into manufacturers on his side of the House, then, must remember effect other questions not particularly adve.ted to. lie did that in any change they could not be allowed to retain the pro- not say that treat ought to be done in a flurried and precipitate tection they enjoyed, as the farmer believed, with so much al- manner ; oil the contrary, he was convinced of the complica,ed vantage. If both sides would take up the question, fri e nature of those questions. Care and caution should be from ail party motives—free from all factious or party brought to the consideration of them ; but as it was allowed spirit— the advantages that would result would be that 'hey were come to a great crisis, not only commercial, but incalculable ; but if a Corn-law agitation was to be manufacturing, the course pursued woulu prove that the got up—if there were persons intending to get up such House was disposed to go in the right direction ; although an agitation fo r th e mere purpose of obtaining a party at the same time, considering each particular subject , triumph—(Cries of " Oh, oh !")—thereby throwing the as brought forward on particular occasions with all the de country into a state of confusion, there was no term of re- liberation it required. With res p ect to the import duties he 'woad' in pmo th s,oi e tuiol E dn n: l l h i e s l h fii la tho n ne g . uage strong enough to be cast upon had some opportunity of judging of what were the feelings of s h o t l m u t . i 0 n H h e e wouldinten intended entreattor propose, s N e , 0 a b s l e t o Lord in el u s o de to an modify n bring under rc . i t n h g e country feehngs on moreth that subject, intense, h but t n a d t t he he n s e a v m e r e ti remembered meless elam ob or se o r u v s - . t dt h hua e tti c e o sp. n r s o iderati on o f th e H ouse th e w h o l e system of protective The agitation on the subject had not pi oceeded .hd_ f i r c o th(h m cetih t l h eem e eer: delu- Noble Member Lo r f iz r w a o l u a l n d eh m e satiesruagree take to countersiveand inflamed chei ws.) statements Whatever e publi cpl,:i tiigthi o ot r n a bs t e o a r w s . li and ug , that course, he would raise himself to a high position in the and the excitement in the country subject country ; if he confined himsel to the question of the Corn- hail called into existence, he begged to say that they had riot laws, he would do no good, and might do an immensity taken a party colour in any manner. All party e teeling had of evil. been merged—Tory, Whig, and Radical had joined together Lord HOWICK was sorry that he did not see the Right in what they deemed their common interest, acid in which the Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth in his place, because very existence of their commercial men was involved. Were he wished to convey to him the pleasure with which lie they to suppose that the manufacturers and merchants of had deprecated in strong terms the agitation that England were such ignorant men as that a Committee of the might be produced on the public mind, fot the few weeks that House of Commons would give them desires which they did were to elapse before the public were informed what the not possess before? Some of the statements which had been Government proposed should oe the amount uf duty to be made on the subject might be exaggerated, out were they to charged upon the importation of corn. His Noble Friend suppose that the merchants and manufacturers of England said he intended to propose a moderate fixed duty. Now every were not able to judge of the accuracy or the reverse of those one could in his own mind come within a few shillings of what statements? To suppose so would be most absurd. There that duty was to be. Now, if the Right Hon. Baronet had sn had been a petition presented to the House on the subject by strong a sense of the evils resulting from the uncertainty of a the Hon. Member for the City of London the other night, on few shillings, he (Lord Howick) claimed his vote for the Go- which occasion that Hon. Gentleman referred to the respect vernment on account of the evils and uncertainty of the ability of the names attached to it. He (Mr. Labouchere), as present Corn-law. Under that law the uncertainty was the petition was a short one, would, if the House would permit not confined to a few shillings—it was, whether there him, read its contents. The Right Honourable Gentle would at a n y given future period be a nominal duty of lt., man here proceeded to read the petition, the substance of or such a duty as would act as an entire prohibition ; neither which was that the Corn-laws , without 'producing any benefit was it for t wo or th ree wee k s , b ut for ever, at least, so long to the country at large, laid on very heavy taxes. When, con as the law remained in force . , and by its means every into- tinued the Right Hon. Gentleman, they looked at the s gns rest in the country was deeply affected and exposed to that tures attached to the petition, they would perceive how great uncertainty, the .mischievous consequences of which the Right and influential were the persons who were interested in the Hon. Baronet h a d so well described. At the distance or a subje it. Never, since the petition that was presented to the few months, nay, even of a few weeks, who could say whe- House of Commons by Lord Ashburton, was there one which ther the duty on corn would he prohibitory, or merely , no- had come to that House with the signatures of so many intern millet ?—( Cheers.) The admission , made by the Right Hon. gent and respectable persons ; and as a proof that no party feel- Baronet enabled them to calculate with almost certainty ing operated with the persons interested in the subject, the first upon his support. ( Laughter.) He (Lori Howick) name attached to the petition was that of a gentleman of poli entirely concurred in what had fallen from the Hon. Member tics very different from gentlemen on that side of the House— who had last addressed the House—they must not confine Mr. Horsley Palmer. He believed there never was a time when themselves to the question of the Corn-laws, that would b e the merchants and manufacturers of this country were so much imprudent, if not dangerous ; but he understood from what had united in the belief of the necessity of taking some steps to remedy fallen from his f r i en ds in the Government, that they made the the subject of complaint as at the present. A deputation from Corn-laws only a part of an extended revision of the whole Lanca hire, composed of individuals of all political parties, had protective system. , If he understood what fell f r o m the Ch an . waitea on him ( Mr. Labouchere), and never did he witness cellor of the Exchequer, that was precisely the policy to be such intensity of feeling, and such unanimity as those gentle pursued by the Government, and if it was steadily men exhibited. He hoped that Hon. Gentlemen in making followed out, he was fully of opinion that they up their minds upon this question, would not leave out of would not find it impossible to succeed.—(Hear, hear.) their consideration the points adverted to by the Chancellor of He was the more convinced of this from the remarkable si- the Exchequer. The United States and the Brazils imported lence on the other side upon the subject. It was natural the the greatest quantity of the produce of this country of all Right Hon. Baroret should refuse to pledge himself on the other nations. With regard to America, their Congress would sugar duties, but this was not a question of one or two duties, proceed to consider, on the 31st of May, a similar deficiency in it was one of general revision of obnoxious duties.—( Hear.) their revenue, as had been brought before their consi- They must be aware that if not broughtforward by the (3overn. deration to-night by his Right Hon. Friend. They would, no merit it must have come under the consideration of the House. doubt. make some effort, by laying duties on the import of foreign He could not believe but Gentlemen opposite had given their manufactures, to remedy that deficiency, and he believed that attention to the question of increasing existing burdens, or of the conduct of the Legislature in this country on tuis subject imposing new ones, and if so it was their duty to have stated would very much influence the course likely to be adopted by which plan ought to be adopted, and if they did object to the the American Congress. He was assured if they adopted a policy of his Right Hon. Friend, they ought to have stated it to- liberal policy it would be better for all parties. An excessive night.--( Hear, hear, hear.) He trusted the public opinion protection merely supported monopoly, and was productive would be t oo mu ch opposed to the increase of fresh duties of many grievances to the censutner. When the subject came to oppose the proposition of the Government. Having hal under discussion he would show that the abolition of an ex the misfortune to differ from the Government on other occa- cessive protecting duty would benefit our own colonies. So sions, it aff or d e d him the greatest pleasure to be able to state convinced was he of the good that would result from carrying that to th e i r fi na n c ial policy, as developed that evening, he those measures that he would rejoice to see Hon. bee gave his fullest support.—( Hear, hear.) It was a fixed prin. tleman on the opposite side of the House come over and take ciple with hi m th a t they ought not to impose fresh burdens on their seat on the Treasury benches, if they passed those meg, the people at present. The valuable information supplied sures. by the researches of his Hon. Friend beside him (Mr. Hume) Mr. H. HINDE said whenever the Government brought had, he thought, demon.trated the fact that the commercial forward any motions for the reduction of taxation, whatever policy of this country might be revised with great advantage, their motives might be, they were generally close upon the 'I he fact was, that measures must he taken to improve the pro- hee aof some si g nal defeat.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord ductive p owers o f thi s coun t ry —(Ch eers )— an d th a t cou ld seemed to think the present a most appropriate time for bring only be done by a general system of availing ourselves of ing forward a motion for the reduction of t h e dut y on colonial all the natural advantages We possessed, and alio of timber, but he thought there could not be a more appropriate those of th e a dvant ages o f our neighbours. That was the period, considering the peculiar circumstances in which that policy we m us t adopt if we would obviate the most wimps country was placed with regard to Centitle. He doubted very evils. In every part of the world, in America, Fratice, Spain, much whether the manufacturers of Great Britain would agree !'Court, o C r lot k.. and Germany, it was our example, and not our reasonin, that with the Noble Lord upon the propriety of giving u p all p ro. A i to Peter was looked t...—( Hear, bear.) In negotiations with - Spain leeiloii. Alexander, A. how often did we represe nt to her that her revenue had fallen Mr. HERRiES agre ed With the Hon. Members who had „toed. Viscount off, and that a mo difi c ation of her duties would be adt'atitages Preceded him it tti the propriety cif hot distuasing the subjects Aorrobus, Edwird ous to herself and us, but when we ourselves were in a pre- introdticed to their notice by aeb i u , t d l a ilt i o , t a r n u e n r .ll cisely similar situation, and additional sums were required for at the present moment, as they Orotild cortie Under their obser- Ashley,As Lora the service of the country, and it was pointed out that they vation in the shape of resolutions. He liaped the House would Attwood. W. the Chandelier of the Exchequer might be raised by a modification of our taxes, if instead of not so far forgot its duty to the country as to allot , / is Minister Attwook n M..... taking this course we imposed additional burdens upon a cif the Crentn to state that at the expiration of five weeks lie , r i la s f l ot e i:L e . p Y people already too much depressed by taxation, we might ettuld make an alteration ill the duty on corn, and that until be assured that our a ttempts at n ego ti ation wou ld b e treated as the ekpirfatltin Of that time the House was not to know what Mille, Colonel H. mere attempts to delude and deceive.—( Hear, hear.) He the nature or amount of that reduction was to be. —( Hear, : Baillie, H J. would conclud e by expressing his most earnest hope that the hear.) He denied that the Right Honourable the Chan- a, , trr , d subject would be de a l t with without re f erence to party i rate - eP •Ilo r of th e Ex c hequer had made any adequate itoonw"'w. rents and animositi es , but that all interests, manufacturing provision for the deficiency of the revenue of the cou ntr y for ' tiering, W. B. _ . Ed c wa i ri . and commercial, would consider what was required fur the the present. *ear: There was a deficiency of 1,400,000/., and Baniebe, J. common benefit of themselves and th e i r c o u n t r y.—(Ch eers .) th e sums which b e c!..'liiU !ed Olean wets only 1,700,0000, . 21.1=11;rI Mr. MARK PHILLIPS said he thought the speech of the leaving 700,0004 totally unproVideit foil, - fic hoped it was , Bell, Matthew Noble Lord ( Lord Howick) was calculated to produce a eat OA intended to supply that deticiency by the nogoiristitutional ' Bentinck, Lord G. and good impression in the country as to the ineasnres pro- course df the SUMO Bank securities. } — Hear, hear. ) Ilk f.i.rttifn, ne, 1. Q ilAntirtict'dirs de posed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer —( Hear, hear.) helped the Right Hdn. Gentlernan woukl give the House some ' rortuwojoo S. t i o le him H , on a o n u d ra s b e l e e m a e l d em t b o er th fo in r k Fi t n h s a b t ury th had Made en appeal infOrtiatiiln ott thet Paint; It. neVer wee intended that the : Blair , James ember that (.here was no iunciett cietA Slieuld te extended in Order to meet expenses not Blakemore, It. _ . sired to maintain a system of protection. He begged to sanctioned by Parliament. l-le wished the Right Han: Gan- ' Mennerhasset,t, A assure the Hon. a 1: .- ; e • ' intended MlUd' . ' ,:i his constitt l S;ls, and if the Hon. Member had been in the deficiency of 400,0001. for the expedition to Chin, end aisd lioffie t, B er ta!, - his ^'- -the Savings Bunke . needessaw, James r oom ne would have known it, for he (Mr. M. Ph Oliali desire in the tleman would inform him in what way he to supply mol d , t' , 6 ` . Mips) h a d whether it was intended to have recourse to , F. ran,tion, T. W. that evening preSented a petition from the- Chant• to meet any portion of the existing deficiency. bet dr Carimerde at Manchester, wherein they repudiated the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said • ithad . epadwood, rxenry coarse of the discussion that the Budgethad ' i t ''' , k , ;sir A. B. idea that they sought any protective duties for the manulae- been stated in theitro, , - in it, and that in fact was no Budget at all. 1 orownrigg, .s. S. tures in which they were personally interested.—(Hear, hear, ) very few figures of figures Was not necessary Bruce, Lord E He entered therefore into the ctintideratiOtt of the questioa with He contended that a great number . .. , Br cc C. L. C. fair hands. He could not help congratulating the House ah 4 to be placed before the House. If the object was to bring be- - ' timatney, H o , od Pr fc I measures, a very few figures would suffice the country that the question of the Corn-laws was about to fine it go 1 a e e ' ' With regard to the deficiency, he begged to , Ructe,'',. W. emanate from its tight place—namely, from her Majesty's Goo for that ptirptis . domitted to state that he intended to meet it by Buller, Sir J. Y. vernment—(ChaerS)—faiir he did not liesiteti to say thee say that he ha _ 13urr, Higford that was apower which ought the tithe tvia eiline *Heti that qiieStioit stilt O 0 longsi' Eicheotter Bi Is. thoughtHe iin h long • Burrell, Sir C. M. t (Hear, ear)—but so as Brien, C v, roo . n .f e j. l 1... bti 'postponed if this country was to , maintain her pr, riot to be ter 4 rum ißurroughes H. he would a not shrink from its exercise in cases calcratt, J.'ll. sition with reference to othet countries. (Hear, hear t h- p;Anil, Sir H. P. ! and cheers.) He had floret knostrt so Much depress then st,trd the grounds upon which he calculates( . i C a n sir s. Lord sion as existed #t present arninig ouf Manuiticturgrs. it Gentleman . exi t to require that he should resort to it. The Hon. Cam tenttlope, :_ . • in the revenue from the reduction of duties had intaw attaided this poidi, that having remained for three vhie o li ss se es e s m e tip n an in ti c u t t et,se is state It was nearly inaudible in the Geller O, tii viscount Gallery. &a,rttirtetrensigit,, ev L yeari it's anxious exi:eetatido of some el - fringe for the betteri On sugar, h n increase of at least 700,0001. Chodnorideley, H. they,Weib Serail* the debpest arid midst bitter digapHitittrier(t; The tesnit w as an riSTONE said the Hon. Gentleman had answered ohristopher , it' A. and a gentlkhall of C'et.4ewititlia Oiiiiiloili hat'e'd tai Rini hii ii« Mf. Cligtww 4, Chute, VV. L. W. " 1.1 *ldn regatd to the impdrtations. Perhaps be Clements, ti. J. Manchester Exchange last week, that he was _ reduced to that his questwo mind H. a view to giving, an answer to it, if c - sir 6 ter*, eorge position, that, although he had embarked 17,900 t. of capital would bear it in ~ _ ! (lire, Hobert in mills and machinery, if he wioliedth ialie a Shilling iipOtt the practicable, on a feture day. . I si . Rtitee; SW 1 ., • iii, the ilitifitbi; he Sliolild hot be ibl6 to dii Pin. Mn:ITILLIERS said, as he had 1 property - long taken part in what Oats ‘, Ji s "1. see ' t eq't of the discussion that eveninw, he could so' t Oe.onf • • Cole, Hotl. i —t dear, hear.) • This gentleman might have dealt formett a gra. ps __ that , _ H. c. ihT , d Words on subject. if the comoton, somewhat in hyperbole, but he was credibly informed not refrain from say p,,,, . ..__ . _ that the only reasons molly manufacturers continued veorkitig measure prOpoe w, , .. Ise' was stich as he ceffld consistently approve, ((Amity, . ' ''ai h 'at - thep tvt m he ho w l over, L. J. their machinery, was the ntterther iif hate& efilllclied by at; lie 'bold be sicayhOppy to ( give,a.2 ) Chore, sir C. But for this Opiatiai 'dt the. *Mild flare closed their Mills fer h OA atf bre g fdrwrird a meastire hird.: Courtooly Philip itill't3 6:644 ' afftiZ list ("irtirelf.e#: Thk: isthreiple has crestw'e . ll; crestwell ever. With reference to our foreign trade it appeared to him Sc f, to support that of the r f-. fitry Cr , toire, S? 1. O. that the finances o the toe that for several years it had bets eettio s g worse .nrl - ,,,lirse. yr e t'-ow been recognised . .Sr" e, 1 he condition of the consumer. , A. ) oy n le sit had been foreeu by ine 'eAernaliiiery and PoPulation,th in- must dk•pend upon ; 1 t eh n the price of food was high j .D a att u ter, P Flon , G. crease our ivroductSt OW iii what Manner were we conipelled to It Was a fixed grind that end ' 'seben the price of food was i t'arhy, George dispose of them? We were obliged to allow longer credit, Ond the reventie was defietent! .... - mo., How could it be otherwise? Harlingion, &all of that to some of the most despotic and . tevellititinaty ldw the revetitte Was itottfl'n De Hortey lie S...l - 1 ,;,i. tie;encial on the power of the con- Governments.—( Hear, liege.) .At the PrbSent time they ;The 'tan': Eif 4-He feientte at i-dos etticles taxed; and it is not a go l t s tillt l e'enee n iious were obliged to give ttitAte Ifionths credit in Russia in order , sumers to purchase the o ' taxed, but the community at large. (toughs, sir C. to dispose uf the produce of Lancashire, This was not a safe particular class that is tax low, the, suture the people Douro. Marquis of system of policy, and it evidently could not be continued any The mere, therefore, prices were be able to purchase, aud Dovoleswell , W. would they longer.—( Hear, hear.) With reference to the Chaticellor of I were prosperous, the more . the Exchequer, he could only say that he had his (Mr. M. , the greater would be the revenue. Another irrefragi b l e p rin- 1 ruttield, 'l'. D. 1 was a tax on the public at sitesdale, W. S. Phillips') most cordial concurrence, and that he hailed the idea ; ciple was, that protection to a c class laitl down by the Chan- . Duis.•ar, George of his coming forward in the manner he had done, and ' large. He agreed with the principles the Right Hon. Gen- . Duncombe, W. instead of imposing fresh burdens, to try whether an alteration cellor of the Exchequer, and h hoped_ffect those doctrines which D ncombe, A. . could not be made in our financial regulations, and thus relieve tleman would more Ally carry into e . Dungannon, Lord Du rie, George the induitry of the country. Looking at the instances in 'he had developed that night. East, .1. Buller al PAIAN, which this policy had been carried out, he saw that After a few words from Mr. C A ' Fattnor, Viscount were - • lief that the manufacturers . Eaton, R- , it was eminently suc.cessfel, and that which had been , Mr. POSEY expressed abe condition of affairs ; tatoo, n 11: . •!, ..,. practically successful, could not be considered as chimerical.— 'not generally dissatisfied with the present I thepresent diffi- rwe ei et t i o . n, VV P. (Cheers. ) His impression was that the revenue that would and that, if the House had'pat.ence, Lf t erton Lord F. result from the alteration of posit sugar &ties had been under- culties of the country would soon disapP e from the Hon. Gentle, Eliot. 1 -Lai stated --Hear, hear. ) 'The pon of our foreign trade was Mr. Alderman MOMPSoN (uttered , in the p inciplest, Ellis, J. , -e Estcourt, T. G. B. us most anomalous OW, *ln 1833 not less than thirty-three or --man, the Member for Wolverhartiptop , not tank that the con- Farnham, E. B. thirty-five vessels were engaged in the trade from Liverpool to had so candidly laid down. He did the _ of Fig . . , ,tun li.olicrt tanto by cheapness i i , Bragj!, ;pd out of that ;amber, such was the state of our fiscal i guiders were always beuefittcd - P7 0 Abercromby, G it. Acheson, Viscount . Atlam, Sir Charles Agliouhy, H. A. klston, Rowland Andover, Viscount Anson, Hon. Colonel Anson, Sir George Archbold, Robert Armstrong, Andrew Baines, E. Bannerman, A. Baring, 'l'. Barnard, E. G. Barry, U. S. Beansish, F. B. Bellew, it. M. Berkeley, F. H. Berkeley, Grantley li wes, I'. Blackett, C. Blake, M. J. Blake, W. J. Blake, Mark Blewirt, Reginald • Atkin, Joon James Bowes, J. Brabazon, Lord Bridgman, Hewitt Briscoe, J. I. Bro.:Melt urst„L Brodie, W. D. Brotherton, J. Browne ' R. D. Bryan, George Buller, C. Buller, E. Bulwer, Sir E. L. Busfeild, William Butler, Colonel Byng, George Callaghan, D. Campbell, W. F. arew, Hon. R. S. Caveialish, Hon. C. Cayley, E. S. Chalmers, P. Clietwynd, Major Childers, J. W. Clay, W. Clayt it, Sir W. Clements, Lord live, E. B. Collier, John Collins, William Colquhouo, Sir James Corbally, M. R. owper, Hon. W. F. Craig, W ti Crawford, W. Crompton, Sir S. Currie, liAikes Dalmeny, Lord Dashwood, 0. H. Denison, W J. Dennistoun, J, D'Eyncourt, C. T. Dive tt, E.; Duff; James Duncan, Viscount Duncombe, *l'. S. Dundas, W. D. Dundas, Frederick Dundas, J. C. Dundas, Sir IL Dundas, David East hope, John Edwards, Sir J. Elliot, Hon. J. E. Ellice, A. El Ice, Ht. Lion. E. Ellice, E. Ellis, Wyntl Erle, William Boston, Earl of Evans, Sir De Lacy 1 1 I EVane, _.vans, ' Ewart, W. Fazakerley, J. N. Ferguson, Sir Robert Ferguson, Colonel Fitzalan, —ord Fitzpatrick, J. W. Fitzroy, Lord Charles Fitzwi Rail, G. W. Fleetwood, H. articles. He considered it as a wise principle for the mother : , ,untry to main for itself the trade of its co onies. He be lieved that the measures propounded that eyeiiitig by the bight Hon. Gentleman, the Chancellor of he Excheiplec, had not met with the approbatidn of the t ading el iss sto tf,e xtent that had been supposed. He was induc:d to think so from the nature of the petition preset': ed to the House from all the merchants of London engaged in our foreign trade, praying for a protection for our colony, Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the Hon. Gentleman who had spoken last, had totally misinterpreted the petition rif the merchan• sof London. It was true th it those met chants had not asked for a complete arid absolute abolition of all protection in trade; but he believed that the measures pro posed by the Government had the approbation of that im portant body. The petitioners stated that they were of opinion that the present duties and prohibitions were highly (1,46- mental both to the trade of the country arid the revenue. Those duties they said had enhanced the price to the British consumer of many articles of the first necessity, and totally ex cluded others of foreign growth, thus giving more than a fair and reasonable protection to individual interests to the injury of the trade of the United Kingdom and its dependencies, and laying a heavy tax on the community at large without bene fitting the revenue.--(Hear, hear.) They further stated that, by a limitation of the custom duties, the revenue would be in creased, the trade and manufactures of the United Kingdom advanced, and the shipping interest promoted; and that their opinions had been strengthened by the satis tisfactory evidence, and the statement of facts ad duced before the Select Committee on Import Duties. (Cheers. ) That petition was signed by houses of the tint eminence in London ; and he believed he would be justified in saying, that since the petition presented by Lord Ashburton relative to the great measures of Mr. Huskisson, such a peti tion as that had not been presented by any commercial body. The Government might undoubtedly encounter the opposition of class interests in the measures they had proposed, but he was persuathd that the voice of the trading community in general would be with them, and, under those circumstances, he felt they were justified in the course they had taken. They would feel it their duty, too, to persevere in the cause in which they were engaged, and not to disappoint the expectations of the country. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON explained. Sir JOHN RAE REID complained that the West India interests had been most unfairly and unjustly sacrificed. He thought the reduction of the duty on foreign sugar would cause the total ruin of that colony. He hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would be induced to reconsider his propo sition. After a few words from Lord SANDON and Mr. HAWES, Mr. C. WOOD said if no protection was to be taken off, and if it was agreed that the people could not hear any additional burdens, the question was from what source they were to obtain toe deficiency that at present existed.—( Hear, hear.) He believed there was a general feeling among cJintueicial men throughout the country that the import duties ought to be revised, in order to effect some improvement in trade, which was at present in a very de pressed state. He did not think the landlords would be tound generally to offer so much oppo,ition to a measure for a reduc tion of the duty on corn whorl it was brought forward, as one of a series of measures for taking off protective duties, as if it was brought forward as a single and specific measure.—( Hoar. ) Until the proposed measures were tried, and he did not believe they would fail, no single tax could tic laid on the people. Lord J. RUSSELL said in the course of next week he should endeavour to state to the House the exact nature of the reduction be intended to propose in the Corn-laws. Dlr. THORNELEY said, whatever Hon. Members on the other side might say, the great bulk of the merchants and ma nufacturers of the country were in favour of a reduction of the duties on the necessaries of life, and he would only instance the petitions that had emanated from 53,000 inhabitants of Liver pool on the subject a few days since, and at which men of all parties and politics had attended. The iesolution was then ag. eed to, and the House resumed ; the Report was ordered to be received on Monday next. The Arms (Ireland) Bill went through a Committee. Adjoutned at Half-past One o'clock. PARLI AMEN 'FARY JJ tV ESIONS. (From the Pates and Proceedings of the House of Common..) THURSDAY, APRIL 29. PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL ( to the Committee ) Second Clause :—Motion made, and Question put, " Thai the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill :• —The Corn. mit' ee divided ; Ayes 239, Noes 300. MINORITY—A YLS, 289. Parnell, Sir H. Pattison, J. Pease, Joseph Pechell, Captain Pendarves, E. W. Philhpps, Sir R. P. Philips, M. Phillips, G. Phillpotts, J. Pigot. D. R. Pinney, W. Ponsonby, C. Ponsonby, Hon. J. Power, Jam Price, Sir It Protheroe, Edward Pryse ' P. Itamsbottom, J. Rawdon, J. D. Itedington, T. N. Rice, E B. Rich, Ilenry Rippe.), C. Roche, E. Roche, W numb(' C. E. Rundle, J. Russell, Lotd John Russell, Lord Charles Itutherfurd, A. Salwey, Colonel Sanford, E. A. Scrope, G. P. Seale, Sir J. H. Seymour, Lord Sharpe, General Sheii, R. L. S:aney, R. A. Smith, John Abel Smith, B. Smith, G. R. Smith, R. Vernon Somers, J. P. Somerville, Sir W. Standish, C. Stanley, M. Staustield, W. R. C. Staunton, Sir G. I'. Steuart, R. Stewart, James Stock, Dr. Strangways, J. G. Strickland, - Sir G. Strutt, Edward Stuart, Lord James Stuart, Villiers Style, Sir Charles Surrey, Earl of Talbot, C. lt. Talbot, J. H. Talfuird, I'. Noon Ta v 'stock, Marquis Tnorneiy, Thomas Troubridge Sir T. Turner, Edmund Verney, Sir H. Villiers, Charles P. Vivian, John H. Vivian, Sir R. Walker, R. Wall, C. B. Wallace, H Warburton, H. Ward, H. G. Wemys=, J. C. Westenra, Hon. H. Westenra, Hon. J. White, A. White, Colonel H. White. Luke White, Samuel Wilbraham, G. Wilde, Sir Thomas W Wiishere, W. %Vinnington, Sir Winnington, H. J. Wood, Sir Matthew Wood, G. W. Wood, B. Worsley, Lord Wrightson, W. B. Wyse, Thomas Yates, J. A. Fort, Joiin Fortescue, T. trench, F. Gillon, W D. Gisborne, I'. Gordon, Robert Grattan, J. Grattan, Henry Greenaway, Charles Greg, It. H, Greig, D. Grey, Sir C. Grey Sir G. Grosvenor, Lordll. Grote, G. Guest, J. Hall, Sir B. Hawley, H. Harland, W. C. Hastie, A. Hawes, B. Hawkins, J. H. Hayter, \V. G. Heathcoat, J. - Hector, C. J. Heneage, E. Heron, Sir H. Hill, Lord A. M. C. }Braley, C arles Hobhouse, Sir J. C. Hobhouse, T. B. Hodges, T. L. Holland, R..bert Herman, Edward Hoskins, K. Howard, B. G. Howard, k'. J. Howard, P. H. Howard, Sir It. Howard, C. W. G. Hume, J. Humphery, J. Hutchins, E. J. Hutt, W. Hutton, H. James, ', illiam Jervis, J. Johnson, General Labouchere, A. Lainbton, H. Langdale, Hon. C. Leader, J. I'. Lemon, Sir C. Lennox, Lord G. Lister, H C. Listowel, Earl of Loch, James 1 Lusiiington, C. Lushington, Hon. S. Lynch, A. H. Macauley, 'l'. B. Mainiatnar a ' W. M`Taggart,J. Marsnall, W. Marsland, II Martin, J. Martin, Thomas B. Maine, Hon . ox melgu ,d, Lord Mild ..ay, P. St. John Milton, Lord Molesworth, Sit W Moreton, A. IL Morpeth, Viscount Morris, David Morrison, James Muntz, U. F. Murray, A. Muskett, George A. Nagle, •ir It Noel, C. G Notreys, Sir D. J. O'Brien, Cornelius O'Brien W. Smith O'Callaghan, 1). O'Conne I, D. O'Connell, J. O'Connell, M. J. O'Connell, M O'Ferr.: ll , lt. M. Ord. W. Oswald, .I,mo Paget, i .014 A. 1 Paget, F. Palmer, C. F. i Palmer.ton, Visct. Parker, John TELLERS. Stanley. E. J. ''dell, H. ,JORITY—NOES, Fector, J. 51 300. Meynell, H. Miles, P. S. Miller, W. h. lanes, Richard Mordaunt, Si. 1. Morgan, C. M. Morgan, Octavius Neeld, oseph Neeid, John Nicholl, J. Norreys, Lord Northland, Lord Ossulston, Loid Owen, Sir Joni Packe, C. W. Pakington, J. S. Pal er, Robert Palmer, George Parker, Montague Parker, It. 'l'. Parker, T. A. W. Patten, Wilson Peel, Hon. Sir R. Perceval, Colonel ?Igor, FL Planta, J. Plumptre, J. P. Polhill, Frederick Pollen, Sir J. W. Pollock, Sir F. Powell, Colonel Powencourt, Lord Praed, W. 'l' Price. Richard Pringle, A. Posey, P. nee, sir William Reid, Sir John R. Richards, R. Itickford, W. Rolleston, Rose, Sir George Round, C. G. Round, John Rushorook, Colonel Rushout, George Paul, Horace SancOli.n, It Bandon, Lord t.e,:71?.k Scarli , tl..l Y. Sheppard, So.. e), Sinthorp, Colonel Sinclair, Sir George Smith, Abel Smyth, Sir H. Smythe, Ho G. Somer.et, Lord Motheron, T. E. Spry Sir S. T. Stanley, E. Stanley, Lord S ewart, John Sturt, H. C. s L ii:sien, Sir Edward Teigurrouth, Lord 'resilient, J. It. Thsi>.igtr, F. Thomas, Coloaol hoinpson, Aid. Thornhill, George Tollernache, F. a Tomline, George Trench, Sir Trevor, Hon. It. Trotter ' J. Tyrell, Sir J T. Vere, Sir C B. Verner, Colonel Villiers, Lord Vivian, J. E. Waddington, H. S. Walsh, Sir John Walter, John Welby, G. E. Whitmore, T. Wilbraham, Hon. B. Williams, Robert Wilmot, Sir E. Wodehouse, Hon. E. Wood, C. Wood, Colonel Woou, Colonel T. Wyndham, N . Yorke, Hon. E. T. Young, John Young, Sir L. W. • TELLERS. Baring, H. B. lqeulantle, hix T. edden, W. Fellowes, Edward Fie'den, J. Filnter:Sir Edward Fitzroy, Ho, H. Fleming, J. Foley, E. T. kollett, Sir William Forester, Hon. G. Fox, S L. Fresnneld, J. W. Gaskell, James Manes Gladstone, J. N. Gladstone, W. E. Olynne, sir S. It. Godson. R. Gordon, Hon. W. Gore, 0. J. Gore, 0. W. Goring, H. D. Goniburn, Henry Or. ham, Sir James Granby, Marquis of Grant, Sir A. C. Greene, T. Grimsditch, Thomas Oriniston, Lord Hale, R. Blagdon Halford, H. Hamilton, C. J. B. Hamilton, Lord C. itarcourt, G. G. Harcourt, G. S. Hardinge, Sir H. Hawkes, r. Hayes, Sir E. Heatbcote, Sir W. Heneagc, G W. Henniker, Lord Hepburn, Sir I'. B. ;:.!rtrert, Hon. S. si err :s, John C. Hill, sir : s owland Hillsborough, Earl filmic, J. H Hodgson, Frederick Hodgson, Illelmrd Hogg, J. W. Hahne-, W. A'Court Holmes, W. ..ope, hon. C. Hope, H. T. Hope, G. W. Hi.thain, Lord nous tOO% George 1,1, I Hughes . lita, Francis Ingestrie, Lord nobert a... Inglis, Sir It. H. Afton, S. ping, John SirWitfeYnOleant Jarrith r,4 Jerniyn, Lift' Johnstone, Hope Jones, John Jones, Theobald Kelburne, Lord Kimble, Henry Kerrison, Sir E. Kifk, Vex,* Knatcnbuli, Sir 1!.. Knight, H. G. Ktughtley, Sir C. Laser !el, W. S. Law, Hon. C. E. Lefioy, I) T. Lennox, Lord A. Lincoln, Earl of Litton, Et - ward Lockhart, A. M. Long, W. Lowth: r, I nlonel Lowther, Viscount Lowther, J. Lu as, E. Lygon, Hon. Gen. Mackenzie, T. Mackenzie, W. F. Mackinnon W. A. Maclean, 13 Mamie's, L,ird C. Mars and, T. Marton, George Master, Colonel Alath,w, G. B. gimasell, T. P. ANALYSIS OF THURSDAY NIGHT'S DIV] Voted for Alorpeth's Clause Against Twenty-two Pairs Absent l.iber.ls Absent 'I ot ies 4 Speaker Chairman, R. Bernal 1 PAI LIBERALS. Byt:g, lion. G. S. Campbell, Sir J. Cave, Otway Chapman, Sir M L. Cavold:sti, G. Chichester, J. P. B. Crawley, S. Oavies, Colonel Doke, Sir James Ltwall, It. Fenton, John Ilurst, ft. H. TOittEs. Maidstone, Lord Wynn, C. W. Blvdett, Sir F. Colquboun, J. C. Ashley, Hon. H. Copeland.. W. ' Davenport..l.-,i tcland, 11, Di.:lc, Q. Peel, Colonel J. Houldswortly Acland, Sir T. D.,' Jenkins, Sir R. Pemberton, Tho Mas Corry, Right Hen. H. Vernon, Granville , Jones, Wilson Liddell, H. I'. Kelly, Fitzroy llagge, W. - Williams, T. P. Kerr, D. O'Con - nor Don Pryme, 6. Roche, Sir D. Spencjr, 1 - lon. F. Shelh,rne, Earl of Stanley, Hon. W. Tancred, H. W. Townley, 11. G. Vivian, Major C. Walker, C. A. ABSENT L' Barron, H.' W. Basset, John Benett, John Berkeley, H , n. C. Donkin, Sir Rufane Fitzgibbon, Hon R. Hallyhurton, Lord D. Heathcote, Sir G. BERALS. Heathcotc, G. J, Jervis, Swynfen Langton, Col. G. Maher, John Seholetield, J. Turner, William Wakley, Thomas ABSENT TORIES. Chapman, A. l Miles, W. Goddard, Ambrose Monyi enny. T. G. LIBERALS WHO VOTED WITH THE TORIES. Ainsworth, Peter Fielden, J. I Howick. Lord Wood, C. COURT OF SEWERS, WESTMIN- STER. A Court of Sewers for the City and Liberties of Westmin ster was yesterday held at the office of the Commissioners, is Greek-street, Soho, at 11 o'clock, for the purpose of swearing a Jury, to inquire into such things a , shall be given them in charge, and to present what houses, lands, and tenements, are benefited by the new making, repairing, or cleansing, the Common Sewers in the Western Division of the West minster Sewers, or that they may receive hurt, loss, or disad vantage, by defect of new making, repairing, or cleansing, such sewers ; and also the annual rental value of the several premi ses, for apportioning, according to the interest of each indivi dual, hls due share of the expense appertaining to the sewage. 'the Jury List having been called over, various persons who had not answered to their names were ordered to be summoned to show cause why they should not respectively be fined 5/. for non-attendance. One of the Jur) men, whose real name was Scollick, having been summoned as Se *wick, a long discus sion ensued as to whether the panel could be altered, the Chairman conter ding that the Court had the power_ to have it altered; and Mr. Thistleton Dyer, and other Commissioners, that such power did not exist, and that it was not a question for the Court to entertain, as to whether the panel should or should not-be altered. '1 he CHAIRMAN having put the question as to whether the panel should be corrected, Mr. THISTLETON DYER _protested against the question being put, and requested the Under-Sheriff to state whether he legally possessed tt e power to alter the panel. The UNDER-SHERIFF said he had known such alterations made in the Court of Queen's Bench and at the Quarter Sessions. The question was then put, when there appeared for alterieg the panel 10; against it 4. The UNDER-SHERIFF refused to alter it himself. The Court had the power to do so. Captain BAnuE though the Chairman would be taking upon himself a dangerous responsibility if he were to alter the panel after what had fallen from the Under-Sheriff. 111 r. BitouotrroN said it was a mere point of practice, and the Court clearly had the power to alter the panel in the sante way as the Court of Queen's Bench exercised the power. The UNDER-SHERIFF, to put an end to the discussion. would take upon himself to make the required alteration, and it was made accordingly. The Jury having chosen Mr. Thompson as their Foreman, were impanelled and sworn. The officers of the Court to be examined having been brought up en masse to be sworn, according to the usual practice of the Court, . . . Mr. THISELTON DYER protested against their being sworn in such a manner; they ought to be sworn as they came up to give evidence. The CHAIRMAN interrupted the Hon. Commissioner. In point of order he had no tight to discuss the matter then, and he should put the question that the officers be sworn in the usual manner. Air. Mu',Luis thought, as the Jury were to hear evidence in open Court for the first time, they ought to adopt the usual practice of Courts of Justice, and not abide by the practice, which might have been very proper when the Jury retired to hear evidence. _ BaouGHTON said that if the usual practice of the Court was to be departed from the matter should have been proposed when the Court was sitting in its deliberative and not in its judicial capacity. The question was then put and carried, and the officers were sworn in the usual manner. The CHAIRMAN then proceeded to read the charge to the Jury, and having explained to them the duties that would de volve upon them, and described the state of the sewage in the western division, proceeded to state that it had been usual to make the Sewers-rate upon the basis of the Poor-rate ; but that it appearing that various properties not rated in the Poor rate were liable to Sewers-rate, such as churches, public build tugs, burial-grounds, &c., the Court had ordered a survey of such properties to be made, and the result of the inquiries of the surveyors would be laid before the Jury for their conside ration. 'the Chairman then proceeded to read various por tions of the law relating to sewers, with a view'of showing the legal liability of every species of property to be assessed to the Sewers-rate, that rate being, in fact, a tax upon the l an d of a more extensive nature than even the Land-tax itself. I s was for them to say whether there was any property legally exempt from Sewers-rate. They might be of opinion that there might be difficulties in the way of levying the rate upon Churches and Palaces, but it was for them to say whether there was any escape from the clear words of the lax. The Attorney and Solicitor-Generals had given it as their opinion that the Palace was exempt, but that could not be. The Chairman then at great length related the history of the liti gation respecting the rating of the Palaces, &c. ; the fact of the presentment of Churches, &c., by a former Jury, the decision of the Traverse Jury as to Chelsea Church, and ihe opinions of Dr. Phillimore and Mr. Hoggins as to the power of enforcing a rate against the Church, together with the prceeedings adopted by the Court, in consequence of those opinions. He thought that they would be of opinion that all the circumstances of the case created a virtual exemption for Churches. With regard to Cents of Law and the Houses of Parliament their Solicitors were also of opinion that there were circumstances which would render the enforcing the rate against those buildings difficult if not impossible. It wa- 4 for the Jury to determine whether, as regarded church -!s, pa laces, Royal gardens, the Houses of Parliament, and the Courts of Law, they were of opinion that it would be advisable to present them as liable to the Sewers-rate or not. The JurY might hear the evidence either in open Court or retire to another room for that purpose, if they thought proper. The FOREMAN thought it more advisable that they s h o uld retire to another room for the convenience of examining plans- He wished to know whether the rate was prospective or retro spective. The CLERK—Principally prospective. The FOREMAN was about to ask questions relating to the laws of Sewers, when 'the CHAIRMAN said the solicitor would be examined before them, anit would explain the law. The FOREMAN wishrd to know whether they must all agree. The CHAIRMAN—TweIve must sign the presentment, and a presentment must be male. The FOREMAN Wished, then, that they should retire toper form their duties. Mr. LESLIE wished to know on what authority the Chair man gave the Jury the option of retiring. He strongly pro tested against such an alteration being submitted to. ADEY rose to order. The FOREMAN of the JURY protested against their being detained by these discussions. He wished to retire- Mr. Mueeiws protested against the Jury sitting for anY other purpose rhan for inspecting the plans ; and if he stood alone he would oppose their retiring. The CHAIRMAN said the Jury had requested to retire. Mr. LESLIE rose, but was met by loud cries of " Order," which rendered him inaudible. Mr. Blume }trot; rose to order. They had come to an extra ordinary state when a Juryman in the box was protesting a ga inst the decision of the Judges. Never had he heard, after a charge had been given, any of the members of the Court protesting against it. The FOREMAN wished the question should be put at once. as they were sure the Court would decide they should retire. Mr. T. DYER protested against a Juryman dictating t o or interfering in the discussions of the Court. It was must inde corous, and what he had never before witnessed or heard of. Mr. LESLIE said the responsibility rested upon the Clair man fur giving the Jury the option of retiring. They had been sworn to examine the questions there. The CHAIRMAN put an end to the discussion by telling. the Jury they might retire, and they did retire accordingly. During their absence, in answer to a question from Mr. T. DYER, The CHAIRMAN stated that the charge was to . b. consi dered as the charge of the Chairman alone. Mr. I'. DYER said that Mr. Smith had been sworn to give evidence as the solicitor of the Court, now he had called for his appointment, and it was not in existence. If hereafter the rate should be disputed on that ground, he hoped it would be remembered he had warned them in time. The CHAIRMAN said that bills had been presented by M essrs. Smith and Son, and paid to them for business transacted by them as Solicitors to the Court. The .Jury did not return into Court until nearly six o'clock, when they delivered in a presentment, from which the Foreman stated they had omitted the churches and burial grounds, and that they were desire us the Court should be as lenient to cha ritable institutions as possible. The Jury at one time had been desirous of omitting them. They had likewise omitted the Palaces, the Parliament Houses, and the Courts of Law. The CIi'AIRMAN then discharged the Jury. Pre:ions to their leaving the box one of the Jury said he th , ,ug it it hard th,t the Commissioners should have t o k ee p the ciurches drained, and that those churches should be ex empt from the rate. He should therefore be glad to see a pe tition emanate from this Court to Parliament, praying for the ahuliti in of Ecel“siastical Courts, when they might rate churches without the fear of incarceration. The usual notices of the presentment were then ordered to be laubl;shed, and the days of appeal fixed for the 45th of May and the 22d of June next. Me. LESLIE desired that the presentment. might be rad, as he understood the Parks had been omitted also. On ri a ling_ the prese itment it was found that the churches, burial grounds, royal palaces, courts of law, H ouses o f r ar li amen t, and the parks, were omitted. On the motion Of Captain BAGUE, the charge of the Chair man was ordered to be printed, and the Court adjourned at six o'clock. The Commissioners whose names appear on the presentment constituting the quorum to whom the presentment is made, are—J. L. Donaldson, Esq., Chairman; Captain Bague, R.N., G. Barker, W. White, J. Goldsmith, and J. Jacobs, Esq. BERLIN, APRIL 12.—A great subject of con versation in the highest circles is the expected arrival of the Ele :toral Prince of Hesse, a very near relation of our Royal family ; he being the son of the pious Electress of Hesse, sister of the late King. The object of his visit is said to be to consult our prudent Monarch on the succession to the Elec toral, because his sons being born in a Morganatis marriage, ,re not qu aitied to succeed to the Throne. DEAT H OF M R . LUKE HANSARD, PRINTER. • to THE HOUSE OF COMUONS.—This venerable and muck respected gentleman breathed his last on %edruitsclay evening. at about a quarter after seven o'clock, at hjs country residence, Nr. Hansard was in his 61st year.