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~+.....-----t W IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDC Jt NL 16 Sir ALEXANDER GRANT and others, floor the Commons, brought up the Land Tax Cotmnis stoners' :Bill, the Larceny Laws (Ireland) Consoli dation. Bill, the Criminal Justice (frehind) Bill, the Bail. in cases of Felony (leeland) Bill. Mr. FERGUsSON and others brought up the Property 'in India Bill. Mr. BANKES and others brought up a Message, requesting that their Lordships might permit Lord Viscount Goderich to be examined before the Select C , m - runittec of the Commons appointed to enquire into tilt, public buildings under the, direction of the Board of 'Works. Leave was giren to Lord Gtidetielt to attend the Select Committee of the idolise of Commons, pursuant to their requeA, and his Lordship signified his assent. The Messeng e rs were informed that their Lord ships would send an RD.; wer by Messengers of their own. The Archbishop of YORK presented a petition from the city of York, praying for the abolition of Slavery. • Lord MAYNARD presented a petition from Colchester against the Bill limiting the circulation of One Pound Notes. PENRYN DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL. Lord KING said that in.consequence of the in disposition • of his Noble Rim' (the Earl of Cal narvon) he was requested to move that the order of the day for the second reading of the Penryn Dis franchisement Bill. be read for the purpose of discharg ing it. His Nohle Friend expected to be able to attend on Friday next, and he would therefore fix the second leading for that day, and moved that their Lord•:bips be summoned accordingly. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that from the great extent of the evidence, it was desirable that a day should be fixed• on which the Noble Lord would be able' eeitainly to attend. Lord KING had no doubt but that Friday would he a perfectly convenient day. Their Lordships were ordered to be summooed for Friday. The Earl of ELDON presented a petition against any further concession to the Catholics, and also a petition from certain Merchants and others in Glas gow, praying for protection to WeSt India property. Petitions for the abolition of slavery were pre sented from Hertford by the Marquis of SALISBURY, and from Gainsborough by Lord Goomcn. Lord KING presented a petition from William Cobbett, junior, against the Southwark Bridge Bill. The Duke of WELLINGTON presented a peti tion from certain silk weavers of Macclesfield, pray ing that a rate of wages might be established. • I The- Southwark-bridge and the Aire and Calder Navigation Bill were read a third time, and passed. Earl STANHOPE . presented a petition from Kilburn against the Small Note Bill. STAMP DUTIES IN INDIA. - The Marquis of LANSDOWNE held in his hand a petition from the Merchants, Traders, and other Inhabitants of Calcutta. The petitioners stated, that no grounds had been made out; for taxing their property, and complained that sufficient notice had not been given them of the grounds on which they were taxed; they contended that it was illegal for the Local Goveinment of India to levy, as it had done, a stamp duty on all the mercantile tran sactions within the city, such as the Local Govern ment thought itself authorised to levy in the rest of the country. The petitioners doubted if it were legal to levy :_;tamp duties in other parts of India, and were confident that it did not extend to Calcutta.— They complained that they had calleda - ptiblic meet iug at Calcutta, which the Government had inter fered to put a stop to. They further• stated that the measure had been secretly determined by the local Government, which had secretly communicated its determination to the Government at home,' Which had secretly sent out instructions on the Seet to India, so th a t th e d uty was en f orce d before the peti tioners had time to - consider or protest against it.— On these grounds the petitioners came before their Lordships for relief. The Noble Marquis concluded by saying, that he did - not mean to fonnd any measure on the petition, but thought it due to the interests of the inhabitants of Calctitta to ask their Lord ships to allow the petition to be read at length. The petition was accordingly read. Lord MELVILLE would refer their Lordships to the Act of the 63d of the late King, into which, if they pleased to look, they would be satisfied that there did exist a power in the local Government to Impose the tax. There was one more circumstance he ought to mention, and that was, that this tax bad been declared legal by the Suprem e C our t o f Cal cutta. The order for its imposition had been sent out by the'Board of Controul while the late Mr. Canning was 'at, its head, and he had approved of the measure, but the Government of India had not at first leisure to carry it into effect. There was another imputation against the Indian Government in the petition, and that was, that they had put down the means by which the sentiments of the in habitants were expressed. Now in that point also the local Government had acted upon .orders sent out from home, directing them to prevent tuninhous meetinn of this kind;, and orders too, if he recol lected rightly, that had been sent_out while Lord Henry Petty was a Member of the Board. of C 011• tl oul, and which were signed by the name of that Nobleman himself. He did therefore think, that the Noble Marquis ought not to haVetoide them the object of blame in that respect. After a few words from Earl DARNLEY . and the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, the petit'on was ordered to he laid upon the table-. •KING'S BENCH PRISON. Earl GREY, in presenting a petition from an individuai r whose name we understood to be Robert Sterne Tighe, said, that the petitioner was a person of very respectable family, and had been affluent, but was now in difficulties, and at this time a pri soner in the King's Bench. The object of the pe tition was, to bring before their Lordships,a case of hardship, and to complain of. injustice. which the petitioner alleged to have been exercised towards him by the Marshal of the Kin g ' s - B enc h ; w i t h respect to the granting of the Rules of that prison. His. Lordship here explained the Object of 'obtaining the Rules—the responsibility imposed 'upon , th e Marshal—and the manner in whieh he indemnified . himself, by taking ,security a frorn the prisoners. The petitioner couiplaimed that there ; wa no. specific sum required as the price of .obtaining this advan tage, and that nothing was regulated by the practice, but that the Marshal had the power of demanding whatever he deemed necessary' for the allowance of the Rule The petitioner stated that he had paid 40/. but notwithstanding that payment, in consequence of a further detainer being lodged against him, he had been deprived of the liberty he wished to ptl,l9iise, and subjected to six months' close' confincinent,.without having been guilty of any infraction of the rules of the plison. The. Petitioner had already applied for re dress to the Secretary of State for file Home Depart ment, and to the Court of King's Bench; but failing to obtain redress there, he respectfullr approached their Lordships,, and requested them to take into con sideration the means of affording a. remedy to the evils of which he complained.. Such was the case which he (Earl Grey) had, in pursuance of duty 'pre sented to the notice of their Lordships. Of the facts his Lordship knew nothing; butif truly stated hi the Petition there was a well founded subject of Com plaint. He could not believe 04 hlan t e wit's to be attached to 'either of the two quarters to which the Petitioner had previously applied. The Tome .De pertinent at the time in question was.under the di rection of his Noble Friend near him and it was im posiible to suppose that any person could come be fore that Noble Lord with a serious complaint of any kind, and nevertheless fail to meet with 'attention and to obtain redress, unless it was beyond hiS power to grant redrets7=lllol7r h regard to the Court of King's Bench, nobody could enter tain a higher respect for that Court or for the Noble and Learned Lord who there administered'his high ~.~. Z „ 5 Office than he had ; and he was quite confident that when the application came before him the com plaint would have been immediately redressed, if it had been possible to redress it. He lamen ted that an evil of this kind should exist, without any one having the power to redress it ; but he onsted the - period had now arrived when its recur rence might be prevented. It occurred to him that the office of MaAal of the King's Bench should be regulated:. Prom the mere circumstance that the thief emolument of the Officer depended 011 the fee. which he received oar' the rules, it must neces sarily happen that many complaints would arise as to the manner in which they were . granted. The only way to obviate the complaints was to -make new regulations as to the payment of the Office.— The Marshal should be paid a fixed salary, and not by fees. He-should have a salary adequate to the importance of his office—perhaps 2,0001. or 2,500/, aiear—and he should be under the r•ontroul of the Court of King's Bench, or, if that was too great an addition to the dutie‘already imposed upon the Judges of that Court, he should be under the controul of s o me officer of that Court. He wished to say distinctly, that there ought to be no legislative diminution of the emoluments of the present ittabhal, who bad held the office for thirty-six years, or, if there was any such diminution, it must be on the principle of com pensation. He ventured to throw out these sugges tions for the cons deration of the Noble and Learned Lord who presided over the Court to which the Marshal was a Ministerial officer. His Lordship moved that the petition be brought up. Lord TENTERDEN would state the informa tion which he had been able to obtain. It appeared by the Report of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the fees received by the officers of the Courts of Law, _that the fees claimed by the Mar shal were filed and definite. Those paid upon the. rules - had been in proportion to the debt on which the prisoner wets detained. Ten gni:lea's were ori ginally demanded for the first hundred pounds, but that sum had been reduced by the present Marshal to eight guineas. The responsibility of that officer was very great. He was answerable for the custody of every prisoner, and must, consequently, be the judge of the security to be demanded from him when he obtained the rules. It w as t rue th a t w h en a • fresh detainer. was lodged a g ainst a prisoner who h a d already obtained the rul es , he was called within the walls, but the Petitioner had represented that he was obliged to give new securities and new fees for the whole debt. That was not the fact. The. Mar shal stated, that the new security and the new fees were only for the additional debt; but the Petitioner might so speak of the practice of calling in the old securities, to ask them whether they were willing to re-execute the bond into which they had at first entered. That, however, was but reasonable, as men might be willing to become security for a man whose debts amounted to 1,0001.; but unwil ling to remain security even for that sum, when they found his debts was doubled. in this case the peti tioner obtained the rules in January 1824, -and, in December of that year a fresh detainer for 1,888/. was lodged against him. He was called within the rules, and required to find fresh securities for the additional sum, but the Marshal said he would not press him at that time for the additional fees. The Marshal, however, then inquired for the original se- • curities, in order to call on them to re-execute their bond. He then discovered that one of the securities was the Sheriffs' officer who-had arrested the pri soner, and the' other was a man procwred by the Sheriffs' officer to beCome security with him. The Marshal was, of course, dissatisfied with these secu rities, and required others. His Lordship then ex pressed his approbation of the suggestions made by the Noble Lad who presented the petition, and again spoke of the high responsibility of the office, and the very proper °manner in which, up to this time, the Marshal had discharged its various 'duties. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, it was per fectly true, that the petitioner and several other persons 'had made an application to him, while fill ing the office of Home Secretary, which he found it not in his power to grant; neither, he believed, could it have been granted by the Noble and Learn ed Lord- who- presided in ' the Court of King's Bench, constituted as the oftlee"of Marshal at pre sent was. He was glad the qUestion had been brought forvrard, as it would lead to an amendment of existing system. The petition was ordered to lie on the table. A petition ►►•ai presented from Radnor, on the subject of a Duty on Foreign Wool.—Laid on the table. The Earl of ROSEBERRY moved the third reading of the Scotch Lunatics' Regulation Bill.— The Bill was read a third time and passed. On the Motion 'of the Earl of MALMESBURY, the Lunatics' Regulation Bill was read a third time and passeA. On the Motion of Lord COLCHESTER, the Irish Linen Trade Regulation Bill went through a Committee. • Messages from the House of Commons brought up the Archbishop. of Canterbury's Registrar Bill; it was read a first time. PAROCHIAL SETTLEMENTS—(SCOTLAND). The - Earl of ROSETIERRY moved that the House should resolve itself into a Committee of the whole HoUse upon the Law of Parochial Settle ments in Scotland. The House having resolved itself into a Corn niittee, , , Lord 'MELVILLE assured their Lordships that this was a Bill which required their' most serious .consideration.- The true - and real object was "to ex clude firm settlement the Irish' poorer classes i'Vho annually visited' Scotland ; but it was not, he sup. posed, thought decent to exclude the Irish only, an d therefore it was thought proper to include natives of England also. He maintained that any law of this kind ought to be so framed as to bear equally upon the inhabitants of the three branches of the empire ; that an Englishman or an. Irishman should be equally privileged in Scotland with its natives, and vice versa. Besides, this bringing in of the pedple of England was contrary to the 4th article of the Treaty of Union with Scotland, which provided that the natives of the two countries should en j oy equal privileges in both countries, unless where there existed some law to the contrary. Now the, law propOsed by the Noble Earl opposite was at va• 'lance with this clause. Were they by this Bill to prevent the labouring Irish from that intercourse with -Scotland from which •they derived 'so much, advantage at present ? if this were to be' done, there was-no end to the extent to which the argu ment might be- - carried. It was his intention to move, as an amendment; to omit the words " not being natives of Scotland," by which omission the Bill 'would stand conformably to its tide, Viz.., it would go to alter . the. LaW of Settle ment in Seotlatid: But, he confessed, that he was not altogether ptepated tnsupport his own Amend . ment, or, in other words, to support the-Bill whe n so amended,* Befor e such au important 'alteration was' made in the Law of Scotland, he thoUght time ought to be given to the people of, that 'c entry to consider of the measure. • He' hoped, therefore, that after the Amendment was :adopted; the Noble E a rl would not press the Bill, further' uring the present Session. He thought, too, that if it were, to be passed it would be . better to .fix;the periodt e of gaining a settlement of dive years, instead of seven. The Earl of ROSEBERRYf the szid,Baifiti,eri.tme,herattaillitalyd passed on a preceding stage :o was not his intention - to press his opposition to the proposed amendment to a division but at the same time, if any other Noble LOrd shtnild third ( fit to take'sbch a course, he trusted he might held hiiiiietf at liberty to side with 'him upon it. The'Noble V6count whOnpposed the Bill, and whose• amend ment would have the effect of annihilating its prin ciple, told their Lordships that this was the -first time different principles of legislation had been pro posed for the three component parts of the enipkre. Now, he contended that 'they 'started decidedly different systems of Poor LAN's ill the three Conn- The Nobfe Earl opposite (the Earrof Lime rick) • had admitted that the superabundant popu4- tion of Ireland sought for labour in Scotland, where, after a residence of three years, they obtained a settlement which they could not obtain at home. It was his opinion, however, these persons ought not to be entitled to a settlement until after a longer residence than was required to give a settlement to a native of Scotland. If there existed no law of re moval in England, and if a certain residence in Ire land gave a settlement in that country, then be would be the last man to think of proposing such a Bill as that now before their Lordships. But he thought it unjust that the country should make no provision for its native or other poor, while its popu lation spread itself over all Scotland, and were there provided for. The Noble Earl concluded by acquiescing in the substitution of five years instead of seven. Lord NAPIER objected to the Bill, as altoge ther subversive of the ancient system of Poor Laws in Scotland. -The Marquis of BUTE thought, under all the circumstances of the case, the Bill ought to be al lowed to drop during the present Session. The Earl of LIMERICK observed, that the Noble Lord wished to see introduced into Ireland that system of Poor Laws under which this country was groaning, but which the good sense of the Scotch had enabled them to avoid. If they were to introduce such•a system into Ireland, she would sink ❑nder - the experiment. He did not see the evil of allowing a few hundred Irish to seek employment in Scotland from year to year; they would in this way acquire those habits of industry for which the Scotch were so remarkable. The Earl of HADDINGTON wished not to in jure the Irish poor, but to avoid injury to the poor of Scotland. He feared that the Noble - Earl (the Earl of Limerick) was mistaken, and that if the present system went on, the Scottish people, instead of raising the Irish who mixed with them to their own level;-would be reduced to the level of the Irish population. The Noble Earl concluded by observ ing, that as the sense of the House was against the measure, he would not press it to a division. The Amendment was agreed to, and the House havinf , manned, the Report was brought up and ordered to be taken into consideration on that day three months. Adjourned at Eight o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, JUNE 16. At four o'clock, Sir G. COCKBURN took the oaths and his beat for the Borough of Plymouth, upon his re-election since accepting his recent appointment in the Administration. Sir G. MunRAY also took the oaths and his seat for Perth, upon his re-election for that Borough since his acceptance of the office of Colonial Secretary. Mr. BYNG presented a petition from the Trus tees of the Whetstone Road against the Liverpool Road Bill, and praying to be heard by Counsel against the same. Mr. W. PEEL brought up returns of the quart tity of silver coin in circulation. • Mr. PLANTA. moved for a new writ for the Borough of Wareham, in the room of John Calcrafr, Esq., who has accepted the office of Paymaster-Ge neral of his Majesty's forect. Mr. LIDDELL - presented a. petition from South Shields from the practisitig Attornies, praying that the Bankrupt Law might be altered so far as related to the practice of giving double fees to practising Barristers. Mr. H OBHOUSE presented a petition from about thirty coach proprietors residing in Westminster, against certain clauses in the Turnpike Bill. • Sir E. KNATCIIBULL supported the prayer of the petition, which was ordered to be printed. Mr. HOBHOUSE . moved for several returns relative to the Select Vestry of St. James's Parish and the management of the funds of the parish during the past year. THE -ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY'S BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the third reading of the Archbishop of Canterbury's Bill. Mr. HUME objected to the princiPle of this Bill, which went to grant the reversion of. a situation which was a sinecure, and the duties of which were performed lay deputy. The House of Commons in 1811 had resolved that it was expedient to reduce as far as possible all sinecure places. • The present Bill was in direct opposition to that resolution, and therefore it was that he was opposed to it. He was' aware, that the Archbishop was placed in a difficult situation by the refusal of the two persons who now held the situation, to give up their interest, and be would, therefore, not oppose the Bill if the Right Hon. Gentleman would consent to the introduction of a clause to the effect that nothing in that Billshould' be held to interfere • with the right of Parliament to abolish the office altogether, or if the Right Hon. Gentleman would introduce a clause declaratory of the intention of Parliament, that nothing in that Bill should entitle them to compensation in the event of its being hereafter desirable .to abolish the office in toto ? He perceived that the Right Hon. Gentle man was not disposed to agree to his proposition ; and therefore, though he regretted it, he felt bound to move as an amendment, that the *Bill be read a third time this day six months. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said,. that the report of the Committee was extremely favourable as to the manner in which the duties of•the were performed. The office was not altogether a sinecure, though he admitted that the emoluments of the office had considerably increased within a few years. The fees, hqwever, were very small, and every one•mtist admit that it was of great import ance that the documents kept in this office should be carefully preserved and arranged., The Arch bishop of Canterbury has always .had the power of appointing three lives to this office. That was all .that was now required. One of the lives had dropped, and the individual now filling the see of Canterbury had as much right to fill up the vacancy as any gentleman had to put a third life in a lease which he was granting of a part of his private pro perty. Mr. C. W. WYNN understood that a pledge was held out that all offices in which there was no duty to perform should be abolished • after this year. The present Bill was intended to continue a sineciire of 8,600/. n 7; year, for a third life. The fecS could not be reduced nor the office abolished %luring the lives of three persons. If the present Bill passed, the emoluments were a .great deal-too high, they were larger than those Cf•any•situation in the King'S gift except that of Lord Chancellor. It was probabte.that a young .life wottld, be'Appointed and in that case, the emoluments might amount to 16 or '20,000/. before that life was run ont. He strongly recommended the adoption of the Course suggested by the Hon.: MeMber'for Aberdeen, that the three lives migkfnow be put in the patent, but tkat a reservatien•shoold'he Made; giving Parliament the' - power of;#liplishing the.OffiCeor ,redueing.oe f e e s . He very relUct an tly oppo sed • the passing of but conceived the fees were altogether disprePOrtioned, andwerelikely to be muchlarger. Dr. _ , CSHINGTON agreed with the .principle laid down by. the Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. Wynn), that when the fees of a public office were too large, Parliament ought • to• have the .power of reducing those fees, or of abolishing , the ottttre. But he was not convinced, by what was Said; that'the Bill now before the House militated against that principle. A great deal had been said 'abeut the large:emolu ments of the office, and he did not say that it might not be expedient to reduce those fees. • He.did not, and he hoped lie never would, abandon. the princi ,ples. of economy on which:all public offices. should be conducted, but he could bear testimony that the. business, and duties •.of. this • office - were conducted with the greatest satisfaction to the•pub lic, :hid that the duties - required to be' perfernied in that office demanded . the 'greatest attention from' the officer: It would be' right for the HOuSe to 'know in wh a t manner the f or th er ArclibishOPerijoed the patronage of -th e ()Kee. The 'Archbishop had the power . to grant the: office to .three lives at, a time, and when one .•life dropped off, . it bad .been customary • for the. • other • two te:sur t-ender their interest and take a new grditt: On the present occasion, however, the patentees found some difficulty in surrendering their rights from settlements connected with their family affairs, and the present Bill was only intended to give the Arch bishop the power of tilling up the vacsntjife without requiring the patentees to surrender their rights. There was not the slightest inconvenience to the public in this course. If the Bill was re jected, the patentees and the Archbishop would come to some arrangement, and three young lives might be substituted, by which the public interest so far fi om being advanced,would undergo deterioration. On every principle of justice, and considering what was due to the individual who now held the See of Canterbury, he thought the House should consent to the passing of this Bill. Dr. PHILLIMORE could not concur in the ar guments of his Hon. and Learned Friend, (Dr. Lush ington) a Committee of the House had decided o n the abolition of the o ffi ce of Registrars of the Ad miralty, the Delegates, the Appeal, and of this _Regis trar. ihe'three Offices before named were übolished, but nothing was done with this office, in consequence of its . involving vested rights. 'rule office was a complete sinecure, and by passing the present Bill the House would only he perpetuating it. It was like granting 13,0001. a year, which was the amount of fees received by this office, and five ethers de pendent on it, for ever. He thought that the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Home Department ought to give his attention to this sub ject, as it was closely connected with the adminis tration of justice. The'SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, that the fees of the office had undergone no increase in amount since 1734, though the amount increased, because there was a greater mass of business. The subject came now incidentally before the House, and he asked whether it was fair under sfich circumstances' to make a stand. for the condemnation of an office, which the House had not agreed upon abolishing directly. From the time of Elizabeth, it had been calculated, that the three lives to whom .this office was granted, existed on an average for fifty years ; each incumbency of an Archbishop however, only existed .twelve years, so that there would- be four or five Archbishops before it came to any to grant this office, unless the course now pur sued was continued, of filling up every life as it came in. The Bill now. proposed, therefore, only equalized the advantages which the Archbishops of Canterbury derived from their patronage of this office. Sir JOSEPH YORKE said, that in 1810 the Committee had reported that this office ought to be abolished, and it wa►s one of the most extraordinary things in the world that this House should never attend to the recommendations of its own Committee. An Hon. and Gallant General, Sir A. Hope, talked the other day of 'poisoning • the minds of the people when something was said of saving the public money, and carrying into effect the resolutions of economy. He would tell the Gallant General how ever, and the whole United Service Club (if he might beallowed to call them so) thatt they should haven little of his oxalic acid, and something might be done in carrying into effect the resolutions of Committees of the House. The House should stand by its acts, and accede to the recommendation of its Ccmmittees, wherever it was possible. The House then divided—. • For the Amendment Against it B3 Majority —34 The Bill was then read a third time. Upon tile question that the Bill do pass, Mr. HUME proposed a clause reserving to Par- . hatnent the power at any future period to abolish the office without giving compensation to time parties. The ATTORNEY GENERAL objected to the clause, because he censidered it adverse to the prin ciple of the Bill. Mr. CARTER supported the clause, because he thought the principle of the Bill was against the I e .commendation of the Committee appointed by that House. . Sir J.- YORKE asked upon what ground - could that House reduce the half-pay of officers, when they agreed to a Bill ‘vbieh gave 13,0001. per annuin to persons who did their duty by deputies.— (Hear, hear.)• The HonSe then divided— • For the Clause 5O Against it •••• 74 Majority 24 The was then passed. Mr. LEGH KECK presented two petitions from the occupiers of land near Loughborough, and another place in Leicestershire, in favour of the One Pound Note circulation. • JUDGES' CHAMERS. Sir JAMES SCARLETT presented a petition from the Attornies practising in the Courts Of King's Beira and Common Pleas, complaining of the insufficiency of accommodation for the public and the profession at the Judges' chambers, Ser geant's-Inn, Chancery-lane. The rootus were stated by the petitioners to be no more than 14 feet square and 7 feet high, and to be dark, dangerous, and un healthy. Mr. HUME bore testimony to the statements con tained in the petition, and, added, that in no country in Europe were there such inconvenient places for administering public justice as the Cham bers occupied by the Judges of the laud. Chance took him to Serjeant's Inn, and he there saw Mr. Justice Bayley sitting in a dirty little room, about seven feet high and fourteen feet square, crowded to suffocation 'by between four and 500 persons, He thought that better accommodation should be provided, the more particularly when it was noto rious that'srich . might be had at a trifling ei pence. At the time he expressed surprise that the Judges should consent to execute their high offiCial duties in such places, but he was told .that the Judges had made a representation to the proper quarter on the subject, and the' representation was not attended to. He wished the Right Hon. ,Secretary of State for the Home Department would -visit a Judge's Chambers during business hours, and he had no doubt that the reitilt . of that visit would be the providing better accommodation. Mr. Secretary PEEL—After the description of those Chambers given by the Hon. Member for Mon trose, he (Mr. P.) did not feel anxious to make the Visit, but lie Ikad no difficulty in saying that such ac commodation was riot suited to the elignity of the Judges. He did not know what the Hon. Member meant by saying that it was notoridus that better uccomniodation 'could be .procured at , a moderate expenee. Mr. HUNIEWhat* he meant was - , there was ground In the immediate nlighbyirpids,rdiof Inn, upon winch I niii,:ehariabeKis :might be erected, slid "which. ground he had'lieen told could be pro- Cured at a reasonable,p*e, Sir j. SOAR:LEW observed, that .the . rooms Were really only seven feet high, and there were many attorneys known to the profession, who measured, he believekinore than than that number of feet in their own height.--(A laugh.)--'--He did not mean to say - any thingigaingt - the interests of the Master of the Rolls, but there 'was a 'garden close to Sergeant's Inn which he' believed to be quite useless, and upon which very eligible' Ch am b ers m igh t b e greeted.. Mr. ll AßVEYeXPress . ed his confidence that the public, would gladly consent to any expenditure, for the purpose of providing 'better accommodation for the Judges, and the suitors of the Court who attended Chambers. Sir J. YORKE took occasion to complain of the unfinished state of the Courts in Westminster-hall, and the averuie4 leiding to 'them. lie felt that Ilk nose was frequently eadangered, by the odour which attacked it at the entrance to Westminster-hall, be.petitioU'wa'g then ordered to be printed. Mr. FAKE piliented a pith* frOm the Mer chants and .others of Lyme Regis, in favour of One Pound. Notes. , - Mr. M. A. • TAYLOR moved for a return of all sums of money:paid by.the Commissioners for -set • tingf:Fieneh Ctaiinst to the Comtrilislonetird WoOds and Forests, stating dates of the warrants, theitffikieet eieh'warratit; and by • Whom au ttlariied. The. Hon. Member observed, that he abstained from making any remarks upon this s-2bject, until another opportunity ; because •he understood that no oppo sition would be made to the !notion. The motion was then agreed to. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR then gave notice of his in tention to move, on Monday next, a vote of censure upon the appropriation of moneys of this description, without the consent of that Housv. EAST INDIA TRADE. Mr. HUSKISSON, although he had given notice of his intention to present a petition from the mer chants of Calcutta respecting the trade with India, still did not mean to provoke - any discussion on the very important question to which it related. Ind dental discusSions 'were not, likely to lead to any practical results, arid therefore he should on this oc casion confine himself to stating, as shortly as pos sible, the nature of the petition which be held in his hand. That petition was intrusted to him, he might. almost say, on behalf of every British merchant in Calcutta, and of a very considerable number of the most wealthy and distinguished native merchants in that opulent city,—persons whose skill, enterprise, and industry, if fostered and encouraged, must prove highly beneficial 'to this country, inasmuch as many of that active class of individuals were willing to em ba:k their property in the furtherance of manu factures, of navigation, and of those arts which. led to general prosperity. He would also say, as these parties were not, either direct y or vir tually, represented in th a t H ouse , that they came before the Legislature with peculiar claims to attention.—(Hear.)--- . -Now the petitiOners stated, and they did so, he had no doubt, with great sincerity, that they felt much satisfaction at the increased faci lity given of late years to a commercial intercourse with other countries and nations, as well as with the /mother country and all its dependencies. They felt confident, that the same system would still be pur sued, and that on any occasion, When the Legislature introduced measures affecting the trade between this country and India, they would consider free inter- course as the rule, and restriction as the exception, to be only maintained on some specific ground of necessity or of commercial policy. He could not think there was a doubt that Parliament Would take this view of the subject, when called on, as at no distant period they would be, to consider of the re newal of the East India Company's charter ; because if they looked back to the effects produced by the relaxation that took place after the last renewal of the charter, they would find, that the direct com merce between this country and 'British India had been more than► doubled.—(Hear, hear.) New branches of trade had sprung up, and others were every day arising ; and that, too, contrary to the predictions of those who were considered great prac tical authorities on this subjectond who were well ac quainted with the manners and habits of the immense population placed under our rule. In the same manner those authorities confidently`stated; that the greatest possible evil would result from any permission or privilege being given to British subjects to send their capital to India, for the purpose of investing it in projects connected with the improvement of ma nufactures and commerce in India. These opinions had, however, he believed, given way to more libe ral views, and it was now allowed that the, capital of this country might be employed with great 'prO piety, and most beneficially, in the improvement of the arts and manufactures of British India; and he knew, that where such a system had been acted on, in Calsatta and its neighbourhood, a . greater bond of union and good-will was observable bet Ween the British authorities and the natives, a great improve ment in arts and manufactures had taken place, and those moral feelings which enabled individuals to discharge all the duties of social life were more se. dulously cultivated. This country, therefore, was not slow in extending civil rights to the people of , Calcutta, which they did not before possess. The natives were now competent to serve on juries— and, in proportion as they formed an acquaintance with the English language and habits, their improve meat would become more rapid. He could only look to the increased intercourse between individuals of the-two countries as a source of. mutual benefit. It might be, and indeed was,: consi4ered as u subject which involved some difficulty, end demanded the inaturest investigation.. He made these brief remarks with no other view but to deprecate discussion at present, and at the same time to point out the great importance co] the petition. It would.lJC a matter of the utmost lin• portance when the renewal of the charter cam e un- der the consideration of Parliament, not to lose sight of those principles necessary for the improVeinent of navigation, the extension of commerce and manufac tures, and what was of infinite importance to the welfare of both those interests—a subject to which the anxious attention of the Legislature ought to be directed—the improvements of the native popula tion 6f India. (Hear, hear.) With these general views, and wishing to defer to the proper period the minute discussion of this very extensive question, he should merely state, that the petitioners farther ob served to the House, that they were satisfied that much inconvenience was felt, and much injury sus tained, in consequence of the, difference of duty on East and West India sugars. (Hear.) ,That ques tion had, however, been postponed to a future period, and therefore he should not offer any opinion on it. The petitioners also complained that other staples of India, such as cotton, &c., were, in conse quence of the rate of duty,: excluded from this coun try. In fact, they felt that those articles were treat ed as if they were not the produce of a British pos session, but of a foreign colony;, and they prayed that even in the present session some reform might be effected in tIA Scale of duties. When these sub jeets came regularly to be discussed, he had. no dotibe that the utmost. attention would be °paid to them ; and looking to the bade. with the Indian . A rchipelago—looking 'to the various new sources of trade and commerce. which were springing up— but more particularly looking to the probable inter course between India and the liberated states of 'South Ameriea, he was perfectly satisfied that a field would be opened for the employment of British capital, much more extensive than was imagined by theige WhO had not narrOwly, considered the subject. These brancheS Of . commerce were only in their in fancy, but he was convinced that if they were en couraged the country would den ye,. incalculable be neat from them. .Having.made these few.remarks, he . should beg.leave to bring up the petition., Mr, W. WHITMORE did not agree' with 'his Right Hon. Friend that this' question` ought hot to '140461*cl - Oifth4 . present peOtsiim.. . On the con ti4y, euOt:viraS'itiiinnSitiip6o'cit the aubj e Ct, th a t :n his o p inion it ought constantly to be brought before the,House.. His Right Flon.Friend had allUded to .0e di ff e rence of, duties on commodities the growth of .InOia, and on the - samacommodities produced else .where.- .He (Mr. Whittuore) had always contended that so manifest an inequality should be remedied. His Right How Friend hatlobServed, that these re strictive regulations should be iiinsidered as the ex ception; and Pot as the rule. He Concurred in that principle With his Right Hen.,'Friend, but 'he would go farther and .ay, that there ought to be no re strictions at all,—(Hear, hear,),--because he really could see no ground for them.---(Hear;)—He en tirely agreed with the statement contained in that pe tition, that it was not the. removal of :these - hedvy duties alone which would open to this country- a great field of commerce but that it depended, in a great degree on a considerable change in the 'Go vernment of India, and on that ariplica'tion of British capital to the productions of the east, which would a bring them into general consumption, and c ause trade to flourish ' to an extent s reater than had ever been contemplated. His Right H n. Friend had observed,- , that great improvement would b e effected in .the manufacture of" East India produ c - Otitis, by the agency of ..British capital. That he (Mr. Whitmore) believed would be genera ly the pro dciuscee, whichbut there stood Nva s outo nseoa r ticle "prominently of E a bas t from , t I n f' all. the otbaies i that he begged leap e especially to i'lll • the attention of the douse to it, as illu s t rat i ng , i n a re mar ibli degree, the position of hi s Ri g h t Hon. Friend. That production was indigo, and ti ea the only one almost on which British capitals' e t ployed. What th e n h a d b een t h e e ff ect o f, o penditure of British capital on the manufselfiss that article ? In 1786, little or no East:lndi B de was imported. It was a very indifferent and scarcely any 'was callod for; but since tu'otj riod when British capital was embarked in of manufacture, it imp rove d i n qua li ty , an d, i°) ° iii of being superior to i n di go manu f ac te, r other parts of . the w or ld, it was now 0 1 ; f i per cent. better than the indigo imported freaVy nish America. The dem a ndh a d i ncrease d3Osfolo oo that time. Almost the whole of what ‘l B5 sullied in England, and in th e o th er market Europe, was imported from the east, whereas , '.o time to which he had referred, scarcelyanyOst ported from India. Now, he was su re , if they sued the same course with respect to sugar, s o rs and various other articles, which he svotthreet s b tion more pi rsicularly, the result wo u ld be foe b' same as with indigo. The disqualifications t t at present existed with respect to, British set , . at in the east, p reven t e d th e extens i ve employll'y British capital in that country. Those disqat' d s tions were of a galling, vexatious, arbitrary, rannical nature. An English subject could net'' ceed to that country without a licence, 'rand he c ` t not travel above 10 miles from any presidency', out a r articular permission, fl e d i n th e reg ular 'fr„, had frequently seen a n o ti ce i n th e Cal' Paper, stating, that it was absolutely neces an. Englishman left India, that he should f duce a document signed by the proper author that country, declaring that while there lie had' ducted himself well, if he wished to proe u ' l licence here to enable him to return. Now, he, tended that a more arbitrary pr ocee di ng c o uld`or t j be adopted by any G overnment - t h an t h e rl' to which he referred—particularly when it collected that the-licence was to be given by who were'rivals in trade. The House, he hepeds, see that such a regulation was exc e e di ng ly v eit', and must be attended w ith i n j ur i o us cons eque", He could not help pointing out to the Compel extremely impolitic it was, when the charte r about to.be reneived,—if indeed it should b est s renewed,—to select that particular time fnc t couraging vexatious regulations, w hi c h °pea against the interests of Briti s h subj ec ts in 1 1 ' His Right Hon. Friend had alluded to the Me t !, natives being suffered to s e r ve on j ur i es . No' s , should be recollected, that natives could o nly u' h lowed to serve on petty juries in Calcutta, apd t could not serve at all on the trial of civil cases• had lately been recommended from the bench V I they should be allowed to serve on grand juries,' also to sit on the trial of civil cases. Mr. STE WART, on a former occasion, "I s / presented to have stated, that there was little o , l d demand for iron, copper, and oth er m e tallic aro in the EaSt Indies. Ile had said just the 'cent'. He saw, by the American tariff, which he bad s in the Times a few days ago, that the duty 00 t , tish manufactures was greatly increased by) American Government. The average cost of cotton cloth sent from this country was sd• square yard, but by the American tariff itswa ° o s sunned to cost 841. th e square y a r d, an d a d u ty e c io to 4A-d., or 90 per cent., was laid on each sci di s yard' of that plain cotton cloth; which reallY it si but sd. While th e A m e r i can G overn M en t did `, we admitted their cottons at an a d valorem 6 per cent. Now he thought it exceedingly. WI to the East Indies to continue such a system. „ Mr. HUME said, that the petition containe d t i main propositions, —one with regard to free u s e % and 'the other with respect to the intercourse 0 ., ropeans with India. The right s of B r itish obi 6 in that country had been violated by the Ac t s , Parliament, and by every regulation passed by h Court of Directors and the Board of Controul. I House would hardly believe, after, heating 511 t, liberal principles as had been l a id down , Right Hou. Gentleman, that while 271. a ton ,l, .paid on sugar imported from the West Indies , ton was charged on EaSt Indio sugar. The observation . thigl3i be made with respect to cot turrnt , rie, and Spirits. When the Charter was newed, they had been told, that under no chang r o i l circumstances could an y i ncrease o f e xports .to In take place. But what was the fact ? An , inun t b, increase of exports had succeeded the renewal of t , Charter. In 1814, we exported 213,000 yard' „( plain manufactured cotton, but that speciesof ( i , port had gradually increased -until 1826, Whe fl os amounted to 16,000,000 of y ar d s o f plain eet t O With regard to dyed cotton, instead of 600, 00 yards, it appeared, from a return laid down or t the table of the House, in 1826, that the had'gradually inereased.to 10,000,000 of yards 0 e average amount exported of th ese t wo ar ticles alp-, being 26,000,000 of yards instead of 800,00 0: Y si se which was the amount in 1813 and 181 4 - st, understood aISO that in th e a rti c l e o f co tton. - -ts ° t o and cotton yarn, the export thii year was Ott o , be enormous. He knew not how the Right. of Gentleman could satisfy himself, f or th e last l e 0 1 ten years, during which he had been a Minister to the Crown, in allowing India to be kept in a 6t : s s of shameful tyranny. British subjects : were treated there than in any other portion of the .„,s1 tish dependences. En g li s hm en were no t sin' - e s to assemble to petition on account of any g rievan to and, on a late occasion, when the Sheriff of Cal cu t y notified to British - and native merchants' that is Government would not allow a meeting,that ,Sva s to . eontemplation to take' place, a hint was givet, i ts them, that if they did meet, the military wdain called in to - disperse them. He knew. tisat Court of Directors felt a gr e at 'pr e j u di c e agaiils t e a v lowing Europeans t o go to I nd i a. The y that Europeans could not be trusted there; bo,C et perience proved the contrary, and the moSt e . 4 lightened m en 'i n t hi s country sa id , that nnti.l.l,sl was wantin g b u t E ng li s h men a nd Eng, - ,. capital t o d raw out t h e resourc e s o f that coast and he thought it was shameful that the narrat,,, o s serable monopolizing feeling of the East India ''''- pany should prevent the improvement of India ! ilo Mr. ASTELL briefly defended the conduct of East India Company. Mr. A. BARING "agreed with' the HO . tleinen opposite, that .this was too wide a. CpSet e t to be discussed on a petition` relative s ,to A15 3 ,71e duties; It rested on much more important gee? te il - As to the questiOn of East_ India,Sugar, 111.11 1 ,,5t that it had been altogether overrated. - 'Sugar, o f would come from the East Indies but in. the enter ballast, or as a kind of dead weight, s and o f tained very great doubts Whether *visage ouantAtt, Sugar Would ever'be raised in the Last When he looked at the . debt.and popUlatiOn etf ee e country, it must be.anasent to every one that°P; o d colonies ought to be taken the greatest. ca t e,‘o6' - t he that it was extremely idle to attempt to settle the future government of them by.a discussion like present. Mr.'WARBURTON said, thae'the Horico l,bl Nd Member for: Callington had contended that si!iti i ; -cotton; ind'gO, and the like, were 'not worth t o consideration of this country in its relationS o t 50 great a territory as Indi a . B u t, n was -t t l ye t r ight to obtai n com f orts, or l uxur i es, or wk i s t , e , it v they might pl ease to ca ll t h em , f rom I n di a ? aes,• not the dut y o f G overnment, b y foreign depend to incr ease t h e comforts o f t h e people ofAnetT-of Let - thern .-- eontra - s - t the - ebSidliet - 1 aiP e ; , st s with that of the bitterest enemies . of 'their tOti.n ie cral systeiii. He could only compare - it with; t at Milan and Berlin decrees. Look what had 'b e ' done to prevent the trade in opium and salt. Th e ; had en t ere d into treatie s w i t h, t h e I n di a n powei t with respect to.opium as the Dutch did wittive,sPei to spices, to limit that. article to the lettit poSßih quantity. When they found that the ttait6 0 Turkey in opium, throtigh" the medium 'of lirj,V i t , ships, was likely to overcome that of firdia,;theri to v evade was de with . the 'British GOVeraiitent lay a duty on opium, amounting to 24 times taol. value of the. article, in order s to destroy the tind e 'o Turkey. But, not: to confine themselves .ici thivernment of India only, let them look $t tb 22L..A,.-... -......m05id . . (3-inernme dvmned cinnamon i 'English G all this wa antiquated policy, advocated as the Dut - Mr. ST •• upon the in . upon ; grout Mr. R. ( the gallery understood not have the lion. example of tion, and i question at Member ni general qu and had b who togeth or commer newal of tl the attenti( Commercial nothing to • Now the pe It called ul Prohibition! th e interio not by the ' al so the cot to Continue th e interior wrong, it tioners, not the adoptiol would take not be, exi which enact the House petitioners ititrodueed ask if it wet between En to he linked the capital.- had the con in India ? der nn circ could be gra w as only f course be tc • trop ; but t but highly must no doi inquiry, and and with' a s :tants of Hi with the int With respec So deeply in Portance of ,granted, am the question involved, th •Judgment, "7. anxiety and • the subject Whenever 1 of the renew tent s that el have the sal n atrbeeti sir he flight be word more, 1 tleinan who Was not one tune. 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