The Sun. — London, England, 1819-05-03 00:00:00

FOR THE SlJ:\t. CLAIMS TO 14,%1-ANCIPAIION. II EDITOR—in answer to a question at the end of a Letter signed Barms, in your Paper of the 26th nit., I send you the following extracts from a work lately published : " The present Protestant Constitution in and State, established in the 16th Cen wail confirmed And perfected in the 17th. The noble fabric of the BRITISH CONSTITUTION is the tesuir. "Tiq , lie limnation liberated us from the tyranny of km 117 reign jitriSdietlol), which not only usurped n siTretne contro,l over our Chinch, hut, through .pi. itual influence, often over the 6%11 lights of the " To our separation from the Church of Rome we owe the inestimable piiivileges of ot - ir Pro tes!ant E.A.Ablishrnent, whicli our ancestors Iruird cd by testricthins and disabilities, to exclude from power !he adhereots of the Pore and his Church. These b4:ticrs we are now railed nt on to throw •tvo. by that very Church agiiinst whicli they are providfd, mid` this without any attempt to show tii;it tic Chtirib of Route has in any 111411 , , , r renounced the right of jurisdiction over Papists in this country, which was the cause of our .epsrstion. " rept•ttl of these disabilitirs is not simply a VleAStire of (lUllger, hin of deetroetintt—immetitice tletovot7tion to the present Coqstittition. Tile re. olovsl of all disabilities %void(' no loneer leave oS Al 1 3, otroitaot Establi.ltment. To abrogate the Staitilei tor the Fake of , % 1 1‘) hit biect to the Pope's ittris i.•tioti, is to acktiov‘t. ,)edge agAin the i.iipreimacy of the Pope. " The removal of the (ii!Oibilif irs would not in deed put !lir P,ipists posSessiorm of th e mimic or the Great (flees of Government. hot it would give 111-111 the eapat!ity of possessing If !ern ; and if such possession be subversive of our Constitution, can it he consistent with prudence or jwitice to the body of a Protestant community to grant such capaciiy f' If our Reformers were lint senseless enthusiasts, but holy and mplaunted martyrs to the Gospel, and to the indepeodence of their Co:wily; if the Reformation was not a Causeless separation, but a ticces;ary vindi , •ation of the !uny of Christian worship, and of our ancient rights anal privileges, we cannot but op pose the conce•sion of el,miins which would ex tingukh all the fruits of the Rcformation. Time question before the Public is not a ques tion of mere State Policy. It involves the safety of Chorch and State. It affects the integrity of tie Protestant Establishment. Tlme privileges, which the Papists claim, are indeed wholly po litical, but the restriction which viselmides them floor those privileges is wholly spiritual it is their arknowLrlgonent of the spiritual soretei,;nty of the Pope. To grant, therefore, the Petimion of the Papists,-is to undo the great work of the Re formation : It is to recognize a pukver superior to the State of England, and to dissolve the Protes tant Constiinti,m, " Great difficulties, therefore, attend the very admission of this oprestion as a subject of delibe 'alio') by those who have taken the OttOttib of su premacy. They have sworn, that no foreign Prelate bath, or ought to have, any jurisdiction, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm.'— _Papis;s cannot take this oath, because they ac knowledge the Pope's jurisdiction When we propose, therefore, for their sake. to dispense with this oath, svhat do we do ?—We recognize the jurisdiction, which we hare sworn does not, and ought not to exist. Papists would readily take an oath, abjuring -the Pope's civil ju risdiction. They would abjure what has no existence in this country, %Ire need no se curity against the Pope's politic.d sovereienty.— It is the Spiritual Supremacy which cancels cove nants and promitts. and annihilates public declara tions, which assumes the title of G Vice-ge rent, which exdudes Protestants from the pale of the Christian Church it is against such spi -ritnal despotism the English Constitution has pro vided by the Oath of Supremacy ; au oath for ,which no equivalent can he found, without re nounciog subjection to the Pope. " it is sail, indeed, that the Irish Papists hate renounced :he supremacy of,the Pope. What por tion of the nourish Church•in Ireland thiS pro test conipreheuds, does,not appear (not cettainly that portion whose Bishops are regularly nomi nated by the Pope); but it the whole hotly of the present Itish Papists were to declare themselves Protestants as to the Pope's supremacy, such de claration, without some public authentic act, can not bind their posterity even of the next gene ration,—nor even themselves, as is evident front the 'evocation of a similar declaration of the Eng lish Papists not marry years since ; and front some later traosactions respecting tlieVeto,and still more recently Irons the followiug acknowledgment of the Roinao Catholic Prelates : As we are at pre sent precluded from any intercourse with our Supreme Pastor, we feel ourselves utterly lucont peteut to propose or agree to any change in the long-estabiished mode of appointing Irish Roman Catholic Bishops.'—(Nov. 18, 1812 ) '' The Papists enjoy the utmost liberty of con science and religious worship. It they do not possess all the civil privileges of other subjects, it is becanse their nonconCormi , y to the English Constitution withholds them. The great func tions of the State are guarded by an oath which Papists cannot take, because they are subject to the Pope's jurisdiction, and cannot therefore be admitted to the privileges which they claim, without violating the Constitution. They demand to be admit , eel into the bosom of the Constitution. They never were within the pale ut the present Coostitution ; of that Constitutive which, for more than a century, has been the glory ot Bri tain and the envy of all other countries. " T r ite admission of Papists into the Legislattire, or the hie.% functions rut our Constitution, is not a subordinate measore; it is a measure which cannot be adopted. without affec!ing its general character,—without its ceasing to he. The Ro man Catholics are charged with a tro4ance for mak ing their claims without proposing any adequate securities. 1 consider it rather as a proof of their d,sctontneot. They know that they have no equi- tt Veil ti) ofTer. rope! 37 Is ,t , lvetSe (0 tirwe..tinotism, that no security which they can utTer, of we devise, Can Ore consistency to the ail mission of ally persons into a Protestant Parlia• uncut, whose religion, by its itieompatibility with the Ring's supremacy, is contrary to the consti tutional.principles of a Protestant Government.. "Tlity demand to he - admitted to share the belie. fits of the Con-stittition in common with their fel low -suljects. Hit those only are fellow-subjects who are equally subject 10 the same Laws and the stone Sovereign. But Papists are not subject to the King's Ecclesiastical supretnacy—they do not ac knowledge his - _entire Sovereignty--they cannot, therefore, lre cadets fellow inhjects. We should most sincerely rejoice to call them really so. "'Hue asstimp , ion of the term Catholic by the (;rturcli of Rome, is ill-founded. Catholic trans latel is Universal. The Church of England is truly C nth iltc, atv... in her Liturgy she prays for the Catholic Church, that is, the Utiiverssil Church, the Church of Christ throughout the world She is a Protestant Church, not brcause she is not Catlionc, hitt because site protests agaiost-i tie eriori d. l. o;:allee of Pope'y• The meaning of the terns Catholic has nothing to do with a k es Or, naliolnS ; but a Church is Ctithol.e, that adheres to one rnle o'f faith. 'Pioirsiants be lieve, in this one whole Church, but they do not tel that. the Clittrelt of Rome is exclusively that one and whole." FOR THE sUN. or.Ttionox. ON THE CATHOLIC QUESTION. MR. EDITOR--I now proceed to the sohject proposed, previous to my long and severe illiie.rs ; yet before 1 enter on i!s llim it (hate discussion, beg to premise, that I dischim all risititions or illiberal motives or party prejinliceis; hitt list rny only aim is to elicit truth, and then firmly to nramtain the truth thus elicited. Nor have I, All'. Editor, the resit to IP ton to suppose, that any one, iodividually considered, is amenable to toy inadequate liibunal ; since 1 ain duly aware, riot the wide field both of literary and political discos sifin is freely atitl fairly op,n to every elan; and th - at each bas on liAa bitable Fig hit to choose his own pith, how digressive soever that path may he : nor is- be (Deity excepted) accountable to a'ny on.e, unl e ss to tii, own conscience, which is as it were the High Priest of that temple of rectitude (Mid has consecrated in every man's breast. At the same time it must he• 'recollected, that when the question which forms the subject twit ter of such discussion is one not only of iodivi dual, but of national, nay of vita) importance, to the tranquillity and security, the civil and reli gious interests of the realm, every one who advo cates its cause attaches to himself a responsibiliry toethe truth, pork y, and importa:)ce of what ,he thus publicly espouses and defends; as also for tile impartiality With which he states such (pies tion, discusses its merits. - Hence it is evi dent, that be should reason troin fair and liberal data, acid not trout exparte statements. This being conceited, yet 1 prestime 01..1 k callow be controverted ; 1 proceed to remark that the Edin burgh Reviewer, in his observations on a ;yolk by Sir J. TH itoCKmoliToN, on the Ctitl - t9lic gics tion, (MIL'S the fullowiog bold assertion : We may venture to lay it down .As a general proposition, ;bat all testi ic:ive la ws which eitelinte certaiu CIaSSVS Of Mell (viz. the Roman Catholics) from political stations. are, in their immediate operation, oppressive and This, Mr. Editor, is a mere principii petitio, founded neither in truth 'nor just reasoning, since nothing is proved, but barely asserted. Now it w,as incumbent on this writer not to have thus dogmatically assetted, but incontrovertibly to have played, whether such 1;1..5 as restrict the Papists are, either in their immediate or re mote operation really oppressive, or only con ceived to be so. And had this writer been inge nuous and impartial as to his motives, desirous of being unequivocal as to his terms, correct, as to his premises, aild liberal or legitimate as to his conchisions, and thus uusophistical in his reason ing, he would have %vorded this general proposi tion very differently; or had he taken the trouble to examine the merits of the case, nay even the troth of his own deductions, he would have found, that it is neither the Catholics conceiving such laws to be oppressive, nor his asserting them to be so, that constittites them such ; and that such sophistry is not argument, such assumption no proof, but rather sacrificing truth at the shrine of party prejudice *. This clearly COllvißces us, that . we ought to pause, reflect, examine, and prove.' before we rashly assent to the mere ipse diait of any writer, how superior soever his attainments, brilliant his talents, or great his celebri:y ; bear ing in: mind that important aphorism of CICERO, " Ne incognita pro cognitis hubeanins, hisque temere rissentianius." Yet suppose, Mr. Editor, for die sake of elucidation, we ,sbould erroneously and inconsiderately grant him his general proposition, and agree that such laws as restrict the Catholics are oppressive :,he would immediately retort, laws which are oppressive 'are unjust, ergo, ought to be repealed. Tilt's, by gaining an inch, be would take an ell. While on the contrary, deny his as sumption, and request him to prove the truth of his argument,—you would at once destroy the flimsy superstructure of his puny reasoning, and discover the spider behind his web. April 26. A Bit UTON. * As well might he assert that all the laws which form the Crin►inal Code, and which restrict the ►ll•disposed from com mitting robbery, murder, and the black catalogue of et ceetera, are oppressive ; because these persons may Been► them so : Yet were any one to make this assertion in the presence of the most untutored Rustic, he would both swile at his weai,- ness and suspect his honesty. COURT OF CHANCERY.—Satnrdity, in the case of Kynaston, v. the &Ist India Company, re specting the right of the plaintiff, as Rector of St. Botolph, Aldgate, to enter the Cuntpa tty's Ware- Surveyors, to value the tithes due to 11101, the Lord Chancellor granted an injunction agaiost the plaintiff, the Company haviog ap pealed to the House of Lords. The wretched old woman who was flied ar the Dumfries Circuit Court on Saturday senniglo, tor child-murder, and acquitted, di:nt iiL the pri son there ou Tuesday aftertAutm. LONDG:' , ; .10111;1A L'3. MOM THE MORNING PAPERS OF THIS DAY. Plorning Post AMERICAN TREATY. A Bill having been brought into Pirlhment to tarry into effect this disitstrous rC v, we trust it will receive that consideration and nitentiou which . its importance demands ; and if by any precaution, on the part of tke Legislature, the evils, which otherwise must result trom this im politic Convention, can. be lessened or postponed, we flitter ourselves they will be adopted far it is evident the people engaged in the Newfound land trade, and in the fisheries from New Bruns wick and Nova Scotia, must abandon them, un less some protection and encowagement is held out t o them to continue in them. We submit to our Readets the follo,ving Extinct of a Letter from our Correspondent : _ We are fearful that the British Government has given the death-Now to the future prosperity of the King's North American Colonies, in ceding to the United States, by the late Convention, the fisheries ; for permitting her Citizens to fill within three miles of this coast, is the sante,. of even worse, than to allow them to fish in common with our fish• ermen, for they invariahly will dress the fish on the gronnd where it is lake; ; which will pi event the shoals front com ing forthir in shore, so that those who are within ;a stile or lest of the laud will find little or imu fi,h. Th e i r m in ih er s will he so great on the Coast of Lahridor, that that fishery w i ll he lu.t to as. The Americans can fit out their vessels from one fio , rth to one fifth less th-in c an be ci?me front th e It t itiTh Province.; added to which,.the Aniericati Go verutuent•giee s howity generallyof two d.silat . s and opwards per ton - on the sit;lipiog en4a.,:ed in the fiTheries, and ft „ •aa one fourth to one half us dollar on each (I , lntal of fish canglit. The Americans,have theta the liberty of tahing the fruits of their labour r• trery jith nzarhet in the world, England e`A. ceptea, and of taking back wittit they chOo-e in retort. It is;, known fact, that. i.t the year 1316. t!te,e were on tln• Coast of I.alirad,r sail and upwards of American vcsse:4. No•pkice cult be itarne.d whicb w.tulti induce the UiCit,il `states to rive t;;, or re:inquiiih the adiantazes they !vice 50 Lately gained from Great lirita i tt, which is a proof of ,the es`inia• tints in which these concessions are viewed by them: We are of opinion, and so are all our neighbours. that our Guvern inent has given up what the Americans themselves tiever'ex tie:qed to obti.in. The evil is not yet seen, but it will sopw itst If much sooner than many way expect." THP. PHRSIAN Ar',I3ASSADOR.-1-liS Excellency has stew no company since VVedllt!.(l4r, wheii he entertained, as we before stited, live Gentlemen. His stay in this country will probahly nor exceed four month: ; that peliod has been i s su o • The prircipal persons in Lis sni'e dress splendidly, and we may add gracefully. His Excellency ap peared in Hyde Patti on Saturday, mounted on his Arabian courser, and wearing is dagger of extraordinary size, the hilt of %%hid' was cusered with diamonds.—(lbid.) Tna FAta Chic ssIAN.—We are assured., by person who has been gratified %yid' a sight of this refehr.sted female, that she is not, in fi,gove, the Veois of Cleomenes !—that her face does not ac cord with an Englishman's ideas nt heanty.— Her Attraction is in a pair of oncotn munly piercing black eyes, and she seems to know . how to make use of them. In stmure she doeS not exceed the iniddle height.— (Ibid ) [Lllornilig Ch'vuicie.] • The Amphiou triga7e, from Baenos Ayres and Rio Jaitiero, arrived on Sat'urday, the former of 'which places she left about . the beginning of Fe bruary, :old the latter on the 6iti of March. The Amphion is ordered home by the Admiraltyaano ther frigate having gone O'' oir board of which Comm afore Bo kyles, who - cotit'ar nes in command o t the La Plata station, will heist his flag. No thing maierial had beta) seecived overland from Chili, in conseqaeoce - of . some temporary obstruc tions in the passes of ihe Andes Mountains; but. tka United States sloop ot war Ontario, arrived at Rio from Valparaiso, reiwricil tliat the little pendent squadron, under Lord Cochrane, at the beginning of January, was in readiness for the projected attack on Lima. Ifs Lordship had. then been in the country about a month. [The Times.' The egnipment uf the Ueda and Griper being completed tor discoveries in Baffin's-hay, and the alterations being finished hi the latter vessel, Visconot Melville, accompanied by Admiral Sir G ra h am Aloore, K C.B. Sir George Clerk, Dart. and John Barrow, Esq. proceeded on Friday after :woo to inspect them. On the arrival cf his Lordship at Dutton!, he was received by Commissioner Cunningham, at the Dack-yard, accompanied by some of the Members ot the Navy Board, and directly went on board the [leek, where his' Lordship, &c. were ic ceived by Lieutenant Parry, who has the com mand of the expedition, with the accostomed ho nours. Every part was minutely inspected, ris also the accommodations for the Officers, and for birthing the crew. The same ceremony took place on board the Griper, Lieutenant Liddoo. Lord Nlelville, and the Gentlemen who accom panied him, expiessed their approbation ot the whole, and in the evening they returned to town. The Vessels drop down immediately to Long reach, below Woolwich, where they will take on board their guns and ammunition; and then to the Nore, for the crews to receive their wages ; after which they will proceed on their• voyage, stopping at the Orkney Islands for some small Jupplies. [New Times.] Great anxiety exists throughoAit the commercial world ror the appearance of the Report on the Bank Restriction, which it is believed, we know not with what certainty, will be presented this day to Parliament. It is not so much for the contents of the Report itself that anxiety is felt, as for the amount of the Loan which it is pre sumed will be announced very shortly after the presentation of the Report. Very large sums Inive been long locked up from trade, in antici pation of this Loan ; and therefore the negocia don of it will at once determine the quantity to be brought Iwo immediate circulation. The Funds have rather improved since the Probability of a Loan was considered to be converted into certainty by the message of Lord Liverpool and Mr. Vausittart to the Stock Exchange; and it it , 'bought, should the sum required riot exceed 20 the Funds would experience still further improvement. Saturday teas a holiday ht the Bank, arid consequently no money business done. For the aith of May sonic purchases rat Consols were trade at 72k, which raised the price to 7'4-t.; and a•bargain or two was done at r a, but it subsequently declined again ton, and closed at 723. THEATRICA R G 1 S R. Performed on Saturdaq TIIEATRF. B OVA Dgultv-LANv.—Bruttis: Lucius in t 4l ° . 11 . 1 r .. Kean ; 'l,ll quinia, Mrs. %V. %Vest. After wiii°9 dal]. THEATRE ROYAL. • COVItriT-GARInENT.--The heart of M id-ii c' thian : Georg - e Robertson, Mr. Macready ; Mudge W .idn Mid - ii" Keintile. After which, A. Itoland for an 010'0' * A * For VIGIL, see the Last Page. P RICE 0 THIS lIAT AT T Bank 'Stock. 2.301 d pet Cent. ..71i 3 per Cent. Cons.— 71i 7 3} per Colt ..8044 4 per Cents .90* per Ct. N. Anti iO4/ 105 MA. A itt4.lvED-9. Du7lli3, 4 Writtfo Leeward DUE-1 Dublin, 1 Witterford Hon, t' 7. S rOCKS iv Ki,vp: o'cLocg. I Bank Low; Ann. .... ..•.184 I India llon ‘ ds, ..... 27.5. 99 5 . P, r ; I °id Annuitici ........... ',lr., Exch. Bills, 2d. ....Ss. 95.r,- Ditto Cocnin'rrcial....e4s•u',4 Cons. for Account. • .. 7 1 4 ''- ... IL`. ford, I Flanders, I Fr ance, Islands.. I, I Sweden, I Ilarnburgb' i !and. .., fIIGI-1 WATER AT LONDoN BRIDGE TO-MORR".."ip. Nlornitig, 44 mintates alter 9. I Evening - , 9 "'woe, T 114, 1 S 1101.1:1.1 9Uls LON DON, 1110 IMA l', 1111 Y J, 1.819. We received yesterday and this mornior, Patis Papers of 'Thursday and FriJav last. • T g ° discussion was restamed on Wedot l' ". w r'i( ll ' of the second Proiet re3pecting the Press, it should have been stmt.(' on Satin - day, P rolll , l l the admission of evidence to . p,ove ti e rr def4mato . ty tact s except with regard to I' Dbi - e. „- FO ll O io. , 6lies. The object of the tantee:t;!',r ltd LizoT was to mike thi s ' ral. The principle of this atn , odment. was w 0 01 opposed by M. BENJ.:, MIN CON ',TANT,WiIf , C""""" tiers "d to it wok!ld be &sgraetfol to (tie Public ti:;Laries, as well as destructive to the l•b errY i , ° ' the Prewand of speech, to enact such a lA"' Keeper of the Seals took partl y ' tiro satme,g , " ' and maintained, that the respo,•sibilitv of r` ib r y Functional:es cc odd only be rendered effe ctv t ' t the aid of the liberty of the Press.. ,111. LA ",,T 3 length withdrew his amendment in favour at proposed by M. FAvARD ne LXNGLADE, (0 Sltl4 only of written evidence in proof of defmr4l°rl( facts. Upon this amendment +he previous (1". e!:• Om) vvas moved and carried. Another utodific3:l tion, in a great meastire technical„ was 1) 111)05e . it vr s by 74. ALBERT, and after some cont est, determined to adjourn the discussion till day. t a‘ The report in the Journals of W " e'ln?7.;' tlOl ; f the last Number of La Minerre be" ',: 6 on account of a song by M. B,,BANGF a against 0:0 Missionaries, is, it appears .treat the ThnrsdoYn Papers, unfounded, it having originated in 14 , erroneous paragraph in the Qnoticlitnne. The KING'S Coronation, it bow sa id, wi ll "1. : place in November next, th e pet i o d O f Ore" ille' the new Session of the Chambers. An intended camp of pleasure in Scini is 5 to have been given tip, inconsequence re° presentations of a ne;ghbourina . 1 1 (”Ver. The following are extracts nom the Jour.— of Friday " CTIAMBER OF DEPUTIES, THURSDAY , A" 11. 29. 1 "'?'he discussion was reunted on :Arg• 3° , 1 , i o e the second proiet respecting • ti,e , rro s " amendment of Al. Albert, and other anteod")ets.: were negatived, awl the Artitle avre.d I n 35 W t t ginally proposed, with merely t e atnentl"rc •soggested by the Cotrmittee. al , er were agreed to op to twenty-five, nen 'l/41"c the discussion was adir,urimi till ro.„,,,rro'v' " PARIS, APRIL 30 —T 'e a he Kitt, recei terday the 'Neapolitan and :Spanish Antbassoln"; " The Court of Caseation w a s oe ropici l l' es4 . Clay with the case of Legnevell and Leg nll ' E trle • at Vannes (the alleged conspiracy wr n laud). The Court, after bearing .the Pl e3- r rs logs, decided, that the Court of Vannes bad exceeded it 3 powers , in .; determining instead .of submitting t o the .."10; whether the accused\ had fulfilled the.cm"liii°ll6 prescribed by law, in order to varticipate 011,0 grace granted to persons making disclosure/' Court of Cassation in consequence annolled , ( 1 judgment of the Court of Assizes of Vannes, of directed the case to be tried before the Cod Assize?, of Augers, The Kint 's intended journey to St. Cloud it appears, postponed. FIVE PER CENTS. . • Wednesday f . 00CP Thursday fr C. DE FE ti RP. %Tg)CK • Y• W,4ll,esday. Thtiriu Of the Qed Mareh,lBl7... r.3'ic...84f. 663 C. 24d Sept. 1817.....521. 3.5 c... E 2 f. 65c. stdnachotils... 80 . f. 35c 80. :1x18...7'1. 3.5 e 7 f• 65 c " 9id Ntareb,18,9..'.76 1. f. 7 5° ' 1 M irli;. American Papers have arrived to the II" [Ffoin Me New York GetAette the lota '4P 74 in ., By a Gentietpaii born St. Thunial tve re tlid formed lit the followim; state of affairs °II :4.3pAni511 ---"t rf iNI A RGARETTA, MARCH 17 —We learn ) fairs are golog Nit very prosve , otislY• 'AlaTch, near Cassaagna, t h e army of 1‘ 1( “' , " I ' i ;o' l , • was ,a0.. , 94 ,:n ed by Geral Vii: z , who cuMr AL i