The Sun. — London, England, 1816-06-12 00:00:00

1 , .conversetion . oetWeeo Alderman Ata -, n;,' holiness. (leneral Thornton, and Sir J. Ovai„un, stud etrbe irAd a third lime on 'ittestlay next. Mr. Core pres'euted a l 'e ition from the Rec. • tors and Owners of Land of !he Parish of Digs, in the County of Norfolk, in Itvour of a commuta tion of Tithes. 111 r. BtrotrOirAt was glad rt sec the sound view -• which the Clergy tt , ok of their real interests, by ptirinoting such Petitions as the present. ThePetitfon was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. Cilia' then presented several other Pal - Ilona from :various Perishes, in the County of Norfolk, to the same effect, and one agreed to by the Partners and Freeholders of the County, as ."' serribled in the Corn Market at Norwich. 'On the question that it lie on the table, Pouses:BY said, that. lie was conscioes, at this ]atc ; heriod of the Session, that it was 'moos iible to do itrty thing effectually to coincide with 'the prayer of those Petitions, but urged the ne cessity, iu the course of the next Session, to Mlle to some decision on this subject. Lord MILToN admitted, that the question of Tithes was .one of great importance, and would • not deny; that some alteration might be made in the 'system ; but he protested against sending abroad any belief, that the present distress might be relieved by any such alteration in the system of .• Tithes. They were a sort of property which might be regulated, but could not be destroyed. . • Mr. PONSONSY said, that he had never con fleeted the relief of present distresses with the prospective alterations i n th e pystetn of Tithes. Mr. littottottAm expressed the same sent intents. Lord MILToN did not charge the noose with entertaining those opinions, but wished to guard against their, being spread thioughout the conntry. Mr BARING contended that the Petitions now presented by the Clergy and Farmers, proved that the existing' system of Tithes was most preintli- . cial to the interests of both, and that any regula tion would be well received by all parties. _ Sir J. NEWPORT hoped sincerely that next Session Parliament would not defer the considera tion of this important question. It had:been pro 'lnked to Ireland ar the Acrof Union. The real evil was eciinprised in the manner and inequality in which Tithes were levied, and nut in their amount. The Petition was then ordered to lie on the table. Mr. 1311oGneir appeared at the - Bar, and stated *that the House of Peers' had agreed to the Con ferenee'rerptested by that House in the Painted Chamber, Tespecting the classification of the Sta . thte Book. Mr. BATHURST moved that a Committee be ap pointed to hold that Conference. A Commitee was then appointed, and the Mem bers repaired to the Painted Chamber. At their return, Mr. BATHURST stated, that the Lords of the Conference had agreed to submit thcjr Amend ments to the House of Peers. Lord MILTON presented Petition from two persOns of the name of Parker and Wilson,who bad obtained a'Patent for some improvement in ship-building, in Consequence, of which they had been employed fot. two years iu the Uock -.yards at' Deptford. They had not been employed at their oven recommendation, hut st. the desire ofilte thiralty,to soperititend the improvements the'y were :milting. They now complained of having receiv itb remuneration, nut only for th e ir i nvent io n , but for'their time and labour. The SPltAttea stated, that as it was , a money Nation, 'Unless the Nnble Lord was prepared to , State that it . came recommended from the Clown, it would be contrary to the orders of the ilotase to receive it. WEST INDIES. Lord :CASTLBReAGII wished to direct the at tetitinn of two Hon. Members to the notices which they bad given of !notions on subjects mi. ! sleeted with our West India Colonies. One of these .'Stnottfor to-night, antllhe other for Thursday. They .would both embrace nearly the sanse i line of argument, and of course the smfourtunate event which bad taken place at Barbadoes. Ildt ought Ministers to be put in the situation of giving ex planations before they were in possession of offi- Ishii information The .vessel which brought the dispatches wag now in the Channel ; they would therefore be received in . a very short time. He had now to request the Hon. Gentlemen oho had given those notices to consent . to their postpone ment to the corresponding clays next week. , He did not mean by this to avoid inquirles ; on the contrifry, he thought that it was most important - that a sidijeet of that nature should undergo the • deepest-investigation-. Lie only untreated the Holt.' Metnhers to..:wait . till the - offiCi a t. dibpareh es had been received. Ministers would by that time be aW to express their Sentiment: more decisively, and theiiisc-, , :sion would be greatly facilitated.— ' Ile shotilil also -kenture to recommend, that in postponing their notii7.. , they should not suffer themselves .to be dragged into any incidental tie bate. Such a course at this moment would, he. .conceiv4.ll, he more advantageous th all WtivS. Mr. W 1 Leitat'oace bad no objection to post pone his motion ; but as the Noble Lord had said the dispatches were in the Channel, and would Ate received' AmOst immediately, be should prefer friday next instead of a day next week. Lord CASMIIIIEAGtI • obset red. trout the Hon. Geritlentun must 'be aware that even atter the tbs. patches ihould have beedreceiVed, it would re quire swat .llttle time fur Ministers to consider their conteors, Would Wednesday and Thursday Ile" week at/Utile Finn. Gentlesiten better than the days' which he bad mentioned ? M'. I s4ltitso [toper( that thediscussion of a sub. jest in erhieb the safety of our West. India Colo jel Wa s inifiNttl ) ‘ointild not be put off unless better reastins were adduced. Hu did not con veive it neceisary to wait the arrival of the official 'dispatches. The facts were evident, and the pinches could not change their nature so f.r as to emtPer a present disc u s s i o n premature. 11 re °We Lord conicl not certainly doubt the indium- Ileity of the Governor's Proclamation. 14or tl'CAVrtnataGit contended, That if rile sub. Scret , was acknowledged to 'be of loch magnitude sts to affect the safety of otw west India Colonies, . : 1 it was eacturire ,importsn4itliat Miul,tk:rs no! enter into into It without,gliicia! int . c,rinfi 11tr.,IN.t.u . sa,said, that painfid was' to hits; tri postriote n discussion., io which be,coniderefl that their.e)ings, and th,e interests,. ;mil the safety of a consitferable portion of the 1441 . iire were su . deeply interasted, yet IT felt himselt,compellecl to yield to a necessity which he lamented, and to accede to the wishes Of his. Majesty's Minister.— Ile agreed with his Ikon. Friend that a great de, lesion prevailed upon, the subject alluded to ; atv i l as the best remedy for Mission was information, lie could not but consent to, wait for that which was expected. After a levy words front ;‘lr. W, Smith, ;Or, Barham (who earnestly conjured MiAtisters not to lose a moment, as the safety of the Colonies might be considered to h e h ang i ng by iiready, Mi. Marryatt, Mr. A. Brown, Mr. Pannier. and Mr. Broagliam, it was agreed that Mr, Wilberforce's Motion should come on on the Wednesday; and Mr. rallmer's on Thursday se'nnight. CASE OP M. PERROT. Sir SAMUEL, liostleLY said be rose to move for information relative to the Charges against M. Perrot, who had teen accused of having taken the lead in an insuriection at the Isle of France, anti who, it bad appeared, bad received such treatment as was a gross violation of justice.— Since his petition had been presented, be had seen this 'misfortunate person, and he positively denied that .there was any foundation for the charges against him. He asselied that the dis position to insurrection was excites! by anonymous letters that lad been distributed about the island, but that no such Meeting took place, though the troops were called out in apprehension of it. On Bth September. the soldiers.ceine to his house and carried away him'self,, his wife, and all his chil dren, some of them of a very early age, as pri soners, to a distance of four mites from his plan tation ; and the next , morning he was taken from . them and carried thirty miles farther. After being detained till time 19(1), he was sent ,on board a ship, and transported to this country, without having had are opportunity of communicating with his family, taking with him' money, clothes, or any necessaries whatever, He inskt ed, notwithstanding what had been said to the Con trary, that' he bad been as a close prisoner on board the ship. - In this situation his only conso lation!was, that being a British subject, he was about to be transported to a Coniitty where a re spect was shewn to the laws, and where every man was thought innocent till he was proved Its be guilty. As soon as he lauded be presented a memorial to time Secretary of State, and a cor respondence took place, to the effect that had been related in the Petition that had been, presented. [The Right' Honourable and Learned Gentleman here read copies of the correspondence. One of the Letters from' Lord Batburat stated, that as the circumstances which caused him to be sent from the Colony had now ceased, he was at li betty to return there, and was directed to 'repair on board the Alexander transport at a certain Mine. - till which period .a moderate allowance would be accorded him.) The Right Hon. and Learned Gentle Man then proceeded to argue at much length, that this was a ease of great cruelty mid oppression throughout for if' there was any _ground for putting bins on his trial, he ~ o ught either to have been tried there, or kept this country till the nature of the charges against him were ascertained, and not he told that he might go beck again and be tried, aft e r having .sutfered the inconvenience s of a voyage of.threensonths as a prisoner. Adveiting to the it moderate al 7 lowance," as .it was termed, for his sinseort, which was five shillings a day, he commented in strong terms tyou its inadequacy, as hieing in solliciencto preserve the unfortunate matt, who could not speak ,a word of English, from a state of beggary, and a degradation to him, considering his rank in life. Übe hail been guilty of a crime of such enormity as an insurrection against the Government, how was the Governor instified in scathing him to dais country, without the charges against him, and then leaving him at large, to be disposed of just at.* Ministers should think pro. per ? Irwas, in short, a violent. act of a . Gover nor, taking u p on hif use l f to punish a men who had given him offence, and was in every point of view totally nninstigable. The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman, after repeating all his previ ous arguments to this effect, concluded with woe.' lag 'an Address to the Prince Regent, praying for copies of, or extracts from, the dispatches received front the Governor of the Muuritius, relative to the oast of P. G. Perrot: Mr. Got/Levan opposed the moths's. He re peated all that he had said tin the presentment of the Petition from this person, respectingthe in» Sni'Vectiiiii having arisen On certain attempts hay ing been made to enforce a strict registration Of Slaves, unit that it was converted by an Alien who had just arrived from Fronde into a project Isar overturning the clovernment. He repeated, that the dispatch from the Governor related to other points, and only incidentally mentioned time case of M. Perrot; but as soon at: his , memorial bail been received, a letter hail been written to the Governor, requiring him to furnish iufurma tion of all the cherges against this person. Since that time some persons in this country, who had lately ,ctinte from the isle of lit anee, had called on' hint, and said, that Perrot and others had been regularly proceeded against in the Island. It therefore only remained to learn the Governor's reasons tar sending Perrot to England, and he could not think that the Government would have acted wisely or pro `perly towards 4ui st Governor, if they. bad complied wi th the-prayer of an individual (which wati,.stated in one of his letters, that the Right I-lon. and.Leatised Gentleman, had not, thought proper to notice) -by recalling the Governor as well as the .garage of time Colony, that he might bring his action against them. The only'proper line for Ministers to adopt was to require ail the information that cueld be-afforded on the bah,eu: ; and ibis was the course they bed taken, which would enable them to decide whether the cons duct of the public 4ficer* lied been wrong or right. There were circumstances in theists - was skis of Ministers which showed the extreme clan ger of time Colony at tint period in queation, its coast-Talley of the Nepgul war, {soups had • , e e. • . • ;teen sera Gfr Intl! anti ikere were 2DO men in the garrison,, uteri pfi hem !.vere ..ilk in the Itospitel;,,enkln ! late r k Ato.,o,yeht .such causes %email he shown for titeee”eveyeer'sinnt,ers ference es would notlustify .in running )leadlong into any proceedinjeaeageC i list Irito.,;„The heo flouonrahle Gen t l eman t proceeded t o tiereud the - casspluct at Government :towel:11s. M. Per rot.; and, adve rt j og to t h e per ti nac i t y of thiePer son, in iesistiug that he had been kept unit treat e4 arse prisoner on board the ship, 1n obeerve4l, that the assertions of an Officer (Captain Mackay) of such rank in the service, and so distinguished, deserved every consideration ; and he would take upoe himself to say, that his replies either gave fie:test contradiction in point of fact, to %Oust Perrot Int& stated, or proved that he had been guilty of the grossest exaggerations. So tar from his being distressed when he CRUM on board, he had with hi nt a considerable sum of money, but being consid ere d •Ra a dangetoes person, likely to tamper n ith the men, it was deemed proper to take it away from him ; but he was allowed to purchase neoessarirs at the Cape of Good Hope,' and he had, on board, the full, allowance of the ship, during the whole of thesvoyage. No com plaint ever made by ;rim -during the pas sage, and the Only restrict ou imposed on was, that he ahOuld not bring spirits 'into the ship. The remainder of his money was _O4l over - to him on his lauding, in the presence of two witnesses. lu answer to a question of Sir Samuel, why this person was not removed to the Isle of Bourbon, instead of being sent all the way to England, the Hon: Gentleman observed, that he Inel beer! in Bourbon, and had been sent by the Governor. of that Island back to the Isle Of France es a prisoner, on account of his turbulent and troublesome conduct there ; but at the letter island he was suffered to retrain in a state of li berty till be committed the outrages that caused him to be apetehended. The Hon. Gentleman concluded with justifying the conduct of Govern !tient in inquiring into the circumatancea of the case, that they might not take rip chargts against their erten officers, upon mere ex, parse evidence ; arch in the.coarse of his observations he remarked, that the Petitioner had at least had an advantage which he could not have obtained in any other.country—he bed bad a defence made for him in that House. Mr. WATSON TAYLOR hoped and believed that the Governor of the Isle of Fr4llee remits' be a b le fully to justify hini4l( against all the charges al leged. He (Mr. T.) bad the authority of two olficers ie his alajesty's 'service for asserting, that the conduct of Perrot at tire Isle of Bunt bon hail been so improper that the Governor had deemed it necessary to seize bite and hurry him off the Island. Mr. BARING was of opinion that no ground whatever had been offered why these papers shootd be refused. The Hon. Secretary hiosseif did : not deny that this Gentlemen' had serious groweds of complaint. The taking H titan away front his family, and sending him to this country, was not e subject for that levity with which Geo tlerueu opposite seemed to treat it. If' he tares taken in a direct overt act of treason, what (lilt, culie Was there in putting him 'on his trial there, instead of -sending Wei here, where it wet (pike .itupossible for him to be tried ; and he it now or- . aleretf back again for the .perpose of being tried. This was the ground of which he hapset!' cont. plained: The Hon. Gentleman opposite bad said, It hat Wit OClt' Very tilVoltrable to his case, by star. Ingahat proceedings were instituted against this before he lett the Colony. This ought tti Make the House extremely jealous of the cohdrict of the Governor, who had certainly acted in a manner. For himself very arbitrary he felt pecu liarly jealous, ou account of all persons residing iu oer,colunies, who were sebjected to the et le trary ciitultict of Governors in their little brief anthority," a cputhret which made it high time for the House to interfere. , Mr.,Baatio, Its a friend of the Governor, felt most peculiarly anxious that no information should he withheld; as, from his knowledge of that Gentletilan, lie felt convinced that he must have had strong grounds for the part he had Acted, It was with astonishment and regret he found that full information had nut yet been obtained on the case. He had been assured that the conduct of this Petitioner had amounted. to actual overt-acts of treason. He could not however but observe, that he had heard nothing which could induce the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. (ioulburn) to oppose the motion for papers; ; and he hoped the subject would be thoroughly examined in the next Session of Parlianseut ; when he - trusted, that if there should be proved to hav e beet' the least s h a d ow of oppression, that the individual would receive ample justice. Lord CAATLROBAGII. - If his majesty's Govern ment were in possession of real information, it might be incumbent on the Horse to look into it but this not being the case, it would answer no purpose to lay before the House such pipers us would be inadequate to found any proceeding upon. On these grounds, at least for the pre sent, he should oppose the !notion. Mr. BftooottaSs.—There can be no harm in let tong the_ltouse have whatever information there is; es it luot.been to•oight admitted, that there was an incident's' passage in the last dis`patch from Governor' Farquhar, relating to this indi- Witat'harm could tlwre be in teeing this passage before us, 'svhethee long or thou The Hon. Gentletnau continued to wee on the ales stodity of supposing that Buonaparte had nothing else i 9 thiek of, ditto to send immediately on his return hum Elba; a special mission to the ohsture colony of the Isle of 'France, andino where else,' though there were so many other color - lies of greeter importance. He thetecourended, that the part of Governor Farquhar's conduct which 're quired 111081 instifieat ion, was his Mitten of an. tinnily, iu sending this man a prisoner to Lug: land, and the strongest conduct on time part of our Otiverwount was, to suffer hian'immediately to go at large. Therm two points demanded the fullest investiptitse, Mr. P. Money Suppnved the !notion- The l" - structions received' by ?be Captain of the ship wilco he receives' the persons on board, could and ought to be protinCett. If the Captain bad no such insteuctions, the Pet • t•—.. tilve ftii 're,fress agitittst•ltiat.fut fdisc meta. . ."• oonft : Ly rergietl, am! cxpreAsnl iris tle (eritlitlatit)o to tl)visit: the lloot d 1•: Ott tlyitied that ttottle any' e.v.pro - te state titt!itt's .tt, c gaintt the doyertt6r., fie had founded hil.ofiscrvittioti.otilyon the CaSe al stated i)y the F r etitiolier,. • 'the Otlici,tl curr . espoluletice of the S,veretitty of State. The litit'ise Oren ttivided 4)rs• Atujority.igninst the motion • 8N1A1.1., 'ARMS MANUFACTURE. Colonell',lLMr:itrose , to m ove tor aCon n mittee n ilO the subjeet .o f th e , o f s ma ll Ar no • by the Ordnance bewartmettt. He observed, that: before 1804 the small arios of ibis department were manufactured in Birmingham and London'. Sioce that time the Board or Orduattee had este-. Wished manufactories of their own. Thiistep be should beable to prove hail occasioned great ad ditional expence to tire public', and had been in jurious. to a large cl ass o f manufacturers ; and he hoped the Hoose would tliink these sufficient ground's for an inquiry on thissobject. The fir s t ;establishment o f t hi s kind, set , on, foot b,y the Oldnance Board; was in Adam-Street, near the Tower ; bUt it was found to be so expensive end: inadequate to it's objects, that it Was abandoned. Another was then established at Lewisham, in. KeOt, in the year iSOB. In 1811, the ComtniS sinners of Military Impliry reported that this este... blishment had produced art eXpriice of 90,0001.--- Since that time a largeadditional 4 :x pence hail 4(.0 4 incur refit. ,'l'lirsc boninisidoibers had given it as t heir opinion, that it would not answer for the Ortioance to snatitilactor e artil4 of their own, and re-. cOmmended that the establishment shOuld he aban doned, notwithstanding the expellee which halt been incurred. The Board, who were unite quainted with the busincss,l»l been led i n to thin eXpence by persons nearly as ignorant, but more interested. Since 1811, the establishment had 'lot been abandoned, and auto her had been established. one more expensive settle, ,since the fi rst occupa tion of P a ri s b y the Allies. He. wished to ,know whether the sum of 70,000 L which had been voted included all the proposed expellee ? r For the building itself he saW no necessity, when be kncw it was confined to the making of gun-barrels, of which there were 400;00 it; the Tower, which hail never been used. •He,ticsides, coas;Jeredahe grant of 100„.0001. for, thenitoMfacture small alms; to be equally minecessary, as there were iii the Timer and other depots through the country, above FOO,OOO arms is /licit had lievtr been °sect. The iii, tot facture of short cavalry carabincs wos not called for, as that specks of turns had been eon deumed by r . rsolllb who were well acquainted wrill th e bubject, onitectnitit of the shor tness Of the barrels and the insuilicieney of the !twits. A proof of their r being totall'!.inadepiate for the purpobes inten.lcd, wits tiutlae tiOle 8140 SC6II in the tentht'egi Foch t of ear,kybeitig supplied with other arm, manufacturen. Mr. 13,1 4er .o r Whiteclntpel. That regiment found it impottaiblet to tlischar:.:c litetr ditty witl;thek. carahines, _end. they. were conseqnently 9plieit with the others by means ' ot hid . qnyal 1 - In.4)iness.the Pr -,ince Ite gent. li e , ohjeete4l also to the competency of this Brined to adt, from the Inalpier.Of proving' iiiu barrels at th e T o We r , Which was.coudto-t e th by it person totally ignorant of tl e subject': from. tofs little powder in Ibis proof being used (only It; drams, whereas the Act of Charles I, retptirel 22), he believed many accidents had happened. He was - Wormed by an Officer whir went over dm fkiti or Waterloo willr a patiole on t h e mor n ing after the memorable battle there, that it was as tonishing to see thctoonner of barrels t h at b a d burst .and • w e re l y i ng on the field. Besides, there was not one straight liorrel in the service, for as they were burnished Only on one side, tiot • friction threw them a minter of an inch out of a r straight line. He thought also, that the practice of putting brown on the h.t:rcis was a means of producing rust, at all everts it hid the deficien- Thecheapness of the mannfactore was an aygument which.hekoew would be adduced in w et support ; this, h owe v er , he prepared to this prove by the most satisfactory evidt•nce. • The quality must be inferior'to those at Iliintinglr.tra„ for it WaS ii4vions the anxiety of the board to prove the economy of their t , ystein woura lead. theta toless vigilance in the tuautifacture. The raw materials, he could prove, cost more hero than the barrels did,when finished at Birmingham. He deprecated or, ail! these grout - ids the- inipohicy and in; ast ice of GoVernmeot in attempting to over thinks' the tabu ors of, those individuals Mtn haul contributed so largely to,the support of the war, 'and as a OiCattire which would oltioritely compel, the disatfceteil mcehanic to seel*piotection ill some more hospitable cutiotry. Ile Rinsed for a Com mittee to inquire into the itiatiagement anti t ' pence of the Stoull-Arius Munutactory beloagiog• to tiovertunent. AVAfiD at som e le ngt h Opp o sed the motions and statedthe.varioursters Government had ralien to conciliate the manufacturers, who, he assured the House, were now perfectly satisfied with what lra*d . ,been 'done. He argued that the supply of arms manufactured by Government had borne no *proportion whatever to thot.e made at Biriniag. halo, an that henceforth the small arms manu factory won't) solely be applied for the purpose of reintirin old arms.—( Rear !),--1-le did not know , how; our army did, if their arms were stl. crooked, u n less, indeed, theyslon round a•corner. (A laugh.) `Alv. llt.. , dnei.e (we believr) agreed to the esta -Idishment of th e (40vertinte`ut manufactory, itS a proper check over the manufacturers of Birming ham, but thought they wete undoubtedly tole preferred as the best wort:turn. Mr. VV. St4ITH th6ilglit liis Honourabl e Friend's OtoHo)] ',kilt do to *eh good, as it would discover most accurately the. Ativontagts to bye expected 11 . (4tn•ttlis establishinent,; of 'which, how« ever, he had no great opinion, - conuidering it uterery , us affording tin opportunity for granting new fohlries. Mr. , LYTTLitTON and Mr. \Vann explainrcl. Colonel rAt.unu t in reply, consented to with draw hi. motion on the asteurnace given by the Honourable Gcntletuun, t bii ne%o Intlittifmetti l y being solely appropriated to the repair of n