The Sun. — London, England, 1819-02-26 00:00:00

PARLIA MENT. ' dency of a system of labour established in prisons, thereby rendering it not only a means for there format ion of the individuals, but to contribute to wards- the - expence of supporting the prisons.---, The Noble Marquis adverted to the • effects of certain provincial establishments of the kind, par ticularly at Glasgow and Manchester ; and of ►which• he entered into some -details. Generally speaking he agreed with what the Noble Secretary of State had advanced. NOUSE OF LORDS, FEBRUARY 25. The Duke of NORTHUMBERLAND and Lord Ilowattn of Effingham, took the oaths and their A few Private - Bills were brought up from tke ,Communs, by Adinkral FRANK and others, -which - wete severalty tead the first time. The motion being then agreed to by the Houle; Viscount 'Stow)tlyti proposed that the Com mittee' should consiOreof the following Lords The Lord Chancellor,:the Lord President (the Earl of Harrowb.y), the Marquis of Lansdowne,dhe.Earl of Maccles field, the Earl of Carnarvon,fhe Earl of Liverpool, the Earl of Limeric, the Earl of Rosslyn, the Earl of Mulgrave, the Eirl Whitworth, the Earl of Verulam, Lord Viscount Mel ville, Lord Viscount Sidinotith (added on the 'notion of the Earl of Harrowby), Lord Viscount Gordon (Earl of Aber deen), Lord Viscount Granville, the Bishop of Chester, the Bishop of Llandalf, Lord Holland, Lord Kenyon, and Lord Fitigibbon•(Earl of Clare). The Committee was appointed by the [louse, as above, and the Lords' Committees were direct r..(l to go/unit:nee their investigation on Saturday next, at two o'clock. SLAVES IN THE VEST INDIES. STATE OF PRISONS. Viscount SurmouTti brought forward his pro mised Marion ilf) this subject. He first adverted .to the various and extensive information which their Lordships had before them on this import alit subject, presented either in consequence of the commands of his Royal Highness the Prince Re , :enr, or of .addresses from their Lordihips.— No means ,were .left untried by his Royal High ness's Government to obtain the most full and ainple information upon the subject. The She riffs' of 'the different Comities, the Clerks of the Peace, the Mayors, and other Chief Magistrates of the Cities and '!'owns throughout the United 'Kingdom,. had been desired to furnish the most accurate accounts practicable of the different Jails, Penitentiaries, Houses of Correction, and other places of confinement, in their respective dis triets ; 'and, in 'consequence, copious remelts were already received, with very few exceptions, from the different parts of England and Wales ; and from Scotland .mtich: information had also ,beets received ; hut 'fuller information from that and whey parts of the United Kingdom was ere long expected. The extensive information al : ready before them was of that sat ire as he trusted would induce their Lordships to lose no time iu l referring it to the consideration of a Select Cont . - , Among the` infor ma ti on presented b y; command of the Prince Regent, was a state- . mew of the number of convictions; with the! sentences and executions, in- the respective coun ties, regularly, since the year 1805. By this, among other points, • they would see, that the hOle amount of crime in the last year was less than that of the year preceding ; and that, -pro ‘potlionahly, this was not so great in London and Middlesex as in the other -counties. Much stress, and more than he thought- well founded,. was laid ripen': the consideration that the state of 'the Prisons was the principal occasion of 'the later, increase of crime. 'The important improvements, • which bad of late years taken place in the diffe rent Prisons were highly creditable to the Ma-, gistrates nod OtEcers who had the charge of them.: These benefit:jai changes were remarkably ex-' tensive within the last two years. The increase, of min:lie of late, the N o bl e S ecretar y ' t h oug h t , ; was attributable to a variety - or a combina-'. tiSsn of untoward causes, as the diminution. in the demands for labour, • the high prices of provisions, the immense number of dis charges from the navy and Rimy ;—ail these, causes contributed to 'fill the jails and prisons throughoer the kingdom ; and the internal state of most of these was, he regretted to say, such ' as onavoidahly to lead eventually to the increase . of crime. The system of appropriated punish - oleos was a consideration also which would merit the attention of their Lordships; though, as would clearly appear from the docoments, those were admittistered with,much. less severity than h!retofore. This would particularly appear from the average of the last seven years. The system of transportation to New South Wales was a part of the subject which would require particular consideration ; and it appeared to him worthy of attention hether some particular place or spot in that quarter may.not be fixed on where a sepa rate estehlishment fray be formed for the More atrocious and abandoned convicts. Another very important consideration was, the system which obtained' in_ the interior of our Prisons ; this, .though greatly improved of late, was susceptible of- much amelioration. A system of religious in struction was particularly described, and still move do, a sistem for providing constant labour for the - prisoners. A well-eegUlated system of this kind would be productive, of the most benefis cial effects, not only to the habits, but the morals of the prisoners. This he thought a most._ im portant consideration-,a leading object, which should be to endeavour to make the prisons in stiumenti 'of. reform as- well as punishment,'and eventually giving a new turn to the character of the. inmates, and affording to numbers the means of ulterior livelihood. Brit until the prevalence or the extent of crime was diminished, reform ire the Flinn _discipline wotild be unavailing, if not itri praCticable. In this general vie.w of the subject, anti under the circumstances which now presented themselves, he was certain their Lordships Would see the necessity' of going into an inquiry into this important subject, and of which the important in-, formationnow before the m would form the,basis: H e would, therefore move— Lord IJOLLAND gate notice.of his intention to move, on this day se'uuight, for the production of certain papers and acts of tl:e Colonial-Legisla tures, in the West Indies, adopted inconsequence of the unanimous Address of that House. But he added, as he shonl,l have some ob3ervations to make on the subject, it world, perhaps, depend, as to she day, on the circumstance of the Noble Earl at The heal of the - Colonial Department attending in.his place. Hilt tee. That a Committee be appointed to take into considera tion the ddrercp,t,Papers presented be command of his Royal Highness the Prince R egen t, on the 18th and the tad days of February instant, irlatire to the state of the Jaiis and other Places, of coutioement, in England and Wales, &c. and the several other matters relating thereto, already before their lairdshjps, and to report on the same to the House." The Marquis of LANSDOWNE rose and express ed his coincidence with the greater part of what fell front,the Noble Secret.a;y of State. lie was not one of those, he observed, who thought the increase of crime of late years principally attri butable to the ill state of the interior of our The causes of this lay deeper, and they were also more extensive in their nature. The vvl(o . le, system of the Criminal Law required a tborough revision. This, as referrable to the Statutes,• consisted of no fewer than 7.50 Acts of ,Parliament. He thought the attention of. the Committee.should be - mote concentrated, and not sulfered,td diverge to collateral parts , of the sub ject, however • important. Their principal ob ject should be an inquiry as to the state of rue prisoners before and after conviction ;. ,reforTh in the interior of the prisons, and also the means of establishing a more equal .and impartial execution ; of our criminal laws.— ..,Improvyments may, be suggested as to the mode HOUSE OF COMMONS. of superintending, by the civil jurisdiction of the cuuntry, the execution of the rules necessary for tile p t pose of regulating prisons, us laid down in- A,ts of Pailinnient. He particularly coincided %kb the Noble Secretary, in the . beneficial ten- A new Writ was ordered for the Borough of inverkeithini, in the room of John Camphell, ,Esq. who was •reported not to have been duly elected. protectiOn against the importation of Foreign Corn.—Laid on the table. Genemal WALPOLE presented a similar Petition from cer tain Occupiers of Land in the County of Norfolk.—Laid on the table. . Mr. COKE observed, that he held in his hand a, petition of a similar nature from certain persons in the county of Norfolk, praying th a t it m i g h t he referred to a Committee of that Hornet() inquire into the statements which it contained. He could not support•the prayer of the petition, as he con ceived that the peesent price of corn afforded a full reniu neeation to the grower. Apiculture was certainly labouring ender considerable difficulties, 'the principal of which lie be lieved to he the Horse Tax, the repeal or modification of which appeared to bins highly desirable The improvements made by the use of machinery and drill husbandry had, ac cording to his experience, been uniformly attended with in• 'creased ens eloement for the poor. .Mr. 'WESTEKN had several Petitions of the same nature to present, Irons persons who described themselves as Occu piers of Lund, slid who had applied their whole capital to those pursuits. He knew that they suffered severely, and that in consequence many hands were out of employ in the county of Essex. Lord ItANCLIFFE was understood to he decidedly hostile to snaking any alteration in the Corn Laws. Mr. LYTTLETON agreed with the Hon. Member who had presented the Petition, that the Agricultural Horse Tax shoe's' be taken off, or considerably modified. It had been re presented tee him by a body of the Yeomanry of the. Country. that the Tax pressed' very hard upon them and he expected soon to hav e a P et iti on to su b m i t to the House fo►~ relief on that subject. He did not exactly know in what shape that relief could be given. but it might perhaps be allowed to farmers to employ a certain number of horses free, if they were not kept during the whole year. With respect to the Petitions pre sented this evening, he trusted the klouse and time Country would take them as proofs of how bad it was to enter into a vicious system. Thee farmers complained that the commer cial interests were protected, while they were not. But if all the taxes were removed which stood in the way of a fair trade, and which had been imposed solely for the benefit of aerie cnlturists, the ar g u ment wou ld h e at an end. It was not his opinion that the prayer of the Petition should be granted, or even notch discussed ; but, lie wished that we should break dowel by degrees that systeM of 'protecti ng duties, which he was coorinced wa s produ c ti ve o f much evil. The Petition was then read, and laid upon the table. COTTON MANUFACTORIES. Mr DUNDAS presente e ' two Petitions to the same effect, The Order for somnioning their Lordships, re- from Occupiers of la n d in"the Counti es o f B er k s and of Flint.' lative to Lord Kenyon's intended motion on this t motto lie did not agree with the prayer of those Petitions, subject, being ;rad s -- 'rile different petitions presented from several Intint 7 factiiring towns, Imrliel 1 I a t I y in the c om l .. ' could au'.'eett'(. :j: he iil n ebe o itn t whg t i° :r .u4l o 4l d l ti t't e t l e iCt: w l r!Y:lhiasseclifill°tmlalelyttifttc.(oh:euvpaprrl presenta enias if 7 a e • Inuttheyi constitutional iN i foundt t i:i v it a 7 s )::: : 4- m i ‘trn p tai o lasi r ei t 'i l t: ed• It must alt o ti e reco ll ecte d, that the employment of the ties of Lancaster arid Chester, aga i ns t t h e present poor depended in a gr ea t measure on the prosperity of far mode of•employiog children in . these manufacto- mere, who, by an increase of wages, could alone prevent them ries, an from coming upon th e p ar i s h.— La i d on the table, d already before the Housc, were, on the' Mr. FANE presented similar petitions' from Occupiers of mot* of Lord Kenyon, trail short. . Land near Oxford and 'Henley noun Thames.—Laid on 'the nthepree;eas;ttiyng of a s s a i l m a _ i i ) l , a r Petiti on stated that fro il i , n O wa c- s . Alter this w.is -gone through, and a few ob- table. servations interchanged between the Lord bit.Clop ,c,uoiti i.e 'sure u s i i r o e E f N L N f a n E t a . l l : e in i cello,. and Lord Holland, relative to a point in expediency of the 'last Corn Bill, and question of form, touching one of the petitions, s h ou ld cer t a i n ly not cosisent to any new experiment.' The from Occupiers of Land in the petition pet itia m i s: s as t, i } a t i t i l l e o s u a . tmhee effect, tble Lord Ks Nv ma rose, and addiessed the House Counties o f el i•gomery,Denlegh,Essex Cambrid e West were then presented by on the general subject at some length. He ex ,.....M. w S i i e ( t i r • ( e A ll er. read and 7n,dati laidi Petition e i tr . t S 7o e t h h r e i gli, table.and !satiated on the cruelty and injustice of compel-. I n z io rr, r . e ßlA• la ys i n t , cl g.,, ,. l H , F iti. t e. f i ftd et , sitt a ro i r i ni d is, M hog such an imwetrse number of children, of both Me. •}4. SUMNER then presented sexes, and persons - of very tender years, to labour through such a large portion of twenty-four Traders of time County of Surrey, praying for an equalization of the Duty upon Coals.—Laid on the table. ufariattiohne hours, in those close and crowded manufactories, t a i t e the fo meritsl - . aaahe great injury of their health, and frequent i l C i i y oTn n i a °l. l :l l l :it r t t o ed tr t y li sacs ifice of their lives ; and -this result, notwith standitig what was alleged to the contrary, was, Sir J. Staunton, Bart. Sir C. Mordannt, Bart. Cuthbert from the best :itiformation he could obtain on the subject, on which. his innuirieS were extensive ' Ellison, Esq. P. Price, Esq. W e Gritlith, Esq. Lord Viscount of lowing Thei hat cAtl, ecrnctictbioeofrns the: haiILIMERICK bLimerickeen chosenEE lLecE and sedulous, caused by the 'excessive heat : r iv u e r Y n n e muto.Stihre'rEarnlatiftig, Bart. J. Walker, Esq. R. H. • w hicb pt eVa i led. in .these 'crowded . manalietories, berly, Gurney, W. Astell, Is?sq.En's.lCma'im•Ce;tl,iaElmsqe.r,amil4d:stqi.le'llt.il‘glh't- In which the thetmometer varied from 76 to 85, Honthlrable J. Barry. With respect to the idea of the N o bl e an d L ea r n - The . c aped over, and th e d efaulters ordered toatt names of the d e f au l ters on last Friday ' s ballot were 'th d led Lord, that the iirinciples .4 the common law Ho en use at stated days. - en- Lie were applicable to the cases in question (at MR. GRADY. Sir ROBE . R.T bad WILSON stated that he held a P s ; t i t i on from least as was understood), he c ou ld not agree , the person ho been comm i tted last ni g ht to Nee g ate f or as he thought those_principles, front the niretitt-i• w a breach of the privileges of th i e House. 'I his person had ap- Stances ..and had in some meas ure of the casr, or rather of the individuals plied to him to preseut his Pytition coneeened,• would be found inapplicable, at leasto died weeks. It he . had in l • • • t'' • ' bon a letter which his possessso established his claim upon him, by introducing into his peti in practice. He feared they would be found so, .•- and lie must contend that the unfortunate persons noyrable Member for Limerick i to M I r. f Gerly, e a x ii i i s i t s , e d his i : n i was Was a letter written on the ad of November last by the Ho ane d question could not be - adeplately protected ' "Tv i p o r ( f id t l is e st e t d H tn oi s i h o o ti n ra t h i l ' e at M n c o .m i b n e s t t !, even feeling he had re e without an express Legislative interference iri their behalf. Last Session, lie observed, a Bill on the ; sent him.' The letter was expressive of all those fine feelings a ill ei l :C'd the Ctililln to the Hon. subject hail gone to its second stage, and the enication which Mr. Grady denied baring which he enderstood and belieyed were natural t . of time reply but somewhat at variance with the one ground oil which its tardier. progress was oppos ed, was, that there-was not sufficient evidence on' that he had sent to Mr. Grady. The letter . wets now sub theuld have it in his power to I w i l e il l c ' l l : " that Honourable Member had stated the other day subjectfor the due intormation of the House; it '. w M a e s m h b i e s r o ' am v - o n or not. With .re sped to. and afterwards, the evidence which an opportu- joined, and theHoi i the ascertain leti ti o a whether , nit) , was afforded of bearing, was only on the one terday, to the narrative of the Petitioner himself. He stated Newgate for a breach of privilege, he should confine himself, as he had done yes siilee On these grounds, he begged leave to move— that he had been sent to Insetted there was no sufficientproofs of which be humbly " That a Committee be appointed to inquire intathe situa tido of Children .employed in Colton 4lanufactories, and to e nor •and haring written had neither postmark envelope, did report the to the I-I;use." before the . House. y Tise letter which he was charged with ' The LORD CHANCEL LO R, in - ex lanation of his not once contain the name of the Hon. Member t o Wh om i t p had ueotal:de b een taken to have been directed. That letter he was 1 former opinion, said, that dill lie intended to af- supposed to have sent about the-griddle received - middle ef Oet e h er „ and him was, that, if die evils - existedlo such an ex- out n th s e 1 e t j e u t i l: e r o f d N a toevd Nas e mb , r - e he i ember 2, n , i lich l one onefr from tent as was represented, the persons w h o in- conce . ive to be an answer to so' Offensive a coromunica- flicted them were-punishable at Common Law.— r tion as that which he was accused of haring made.' That He eves by no means unaware of the difficulty, letter was dated Adair, Nov. 2, 1818, an d was - to the follow- mg effect :—. I stand so perfectly .clear of the charges n in- expece, antitrouble of appealing to the law.— tended to be brought against me, that. I shall cheerfally It a general regulation, founded on the Common commit myself to time judgment of the House of Commons. in; and f . l knew . Law, was introduced, it might be attended With You helr siiiy for r a n t a l t hhiaav: g w g , m l sseg i s r r h u e i r n f o r r a ta I offence; t I am sorry to when I did so, I should have great m ple n a Y s n u j r i e n pairing my advantage ; but he doubted the propriety of li miting it to one- branch of manufacture alone, cft,.,:o..sr...;:lytnu.ttohtlassto, dide y i e t 0 1 Some NI long,ni toihinot odub a tbe n erg d eei gnn a r n etv g tiel r esr y o7c oat rni letters rnctdi se itnmot n hate nfa!ene fl in rne p i .t a ei s an s lir e al d yeyl ibetw een couldfoe n.atniilom det while there were others in which children were employed for as great a lengths of time, and as much to the injury of their health. zf i r a i ti i i n e g l i iin d iself, : your's truly."—Mr. Grady stet eve of being parted " The writer then concluded, by sub.- ; d did ot other fieend recollectis: lettersreeei ed besides The Earl of •liossz.vat spoke at some length against the motion. With the Noble and Learn- the fOrepaiingr,eca'enir i f i to e ed Lord he was decidedly of opiuion, that if legis- offensive nature which 'the Honourable Member had last lative interference was deemed nccessaty, - there night mentioned. 'To all 'these statements the-Petitioner 1,13 ready to add the sanctity of an oath, antl thus to - expose himself to a prosecution fur perjury, if they turned should be a general law on the subject ; but be .thought there was neither wisilo - m, justice, or po- out to be false. He submitted. also that if he were not licy to interfere-in the way proposed by the Noble allowed to assist his son 'in "the approaching Inquiry, the Lord, or to confine their anxiety and protection public interest aright suffer. Descending then 'to secondary considerati ons , he urged that he was labouring under a se to this maned:wore alone, and for which, lie must vere illness. He also submitted to the House, that he might contend, time were no adequate grounds laid. have retired before an or d er h a d b een ma d e o ut f or hi s cons -'l-he Bishop of CllesTett forcibly supported the mittal ; but he had pati en tly await e d its decisio n , and trust ed for relief to. its generosity and justice. The Hun. Mew argoments advanced by the Noble Mover. her then moved that the petitions be brought up. Earl GaosveNott - opposed the motion in a speech Mr. W. QUIN had no hesitation in avowing the letter of some length. which had been read as hjs own, and he did not think silly The Earl of LIVERPOOL spoke in favour of it. breast in the House would consisler that it contained any sen timent for which he need to blush.—(Hear, hear, hear !) The Earl of LAUDERDALE moved, as an Amend- He owned that he had not considered Mr. Grady to be serious merit, that the investigation shou'd be extended whets he had`first intimated the charge ow which he would to the woollen, silk, lace, and other manufaeto- call fora Parliamentary l i n e e . r ow tie i d .taoeoss titan t liatliebad ries ; to the potteries, coalmines, and others ; answered dese; m ved, but . td he did n s ot nOt e N t V f wish that :at time l act of time hither s n ii ti (e ' e e t Y ti and , to the state of the laws now in existence re- be visited on the son, and he felt that Mr. Grady specting them. bad been kind to himin early life, which h e was still desirous not to forget. After writing the let ether a Speech from Lora HOLLAND in favour ter which had been read, be had received another of die original motion, the House divided on the of a different nature. It was then that he had written that Amendment, which was negatived, the numbers which lie had read yesterday, add with which' he had closed being--_correspondence. the As to the pray er why! t h e • Petition pnt forth for indulgence, there was no one Memher in time Contents 6 House who prayed more fervently for indulgence to Mr. Not-Contents , Majority - The Petition was then read, and on Sir R. WILSON'S nio . The original motion was carried without a di- tion, ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed. , vision, and the House adjourned at Half-past - Mr. HUTCHINSON, after paying a warm tribute of praise Nine. . to the conduct of the Hon. Member fur Limerick, which had been so creditable to gins both yesterday and this night; ex pressed his intention of moving, to-morrow, that Mr. Grady be discharged from Newgate. Mr. WILBRAHAM BOOTLE considered the first part of ML Grady's Petition as. arraigning time sentence of the House, whicleit represen:ed as having been passed without sufficient evidence. He called Upon the Clerk to read again that part ' of tine Petition, which having been done, the Hon. Member declared that it was too much to proposo on Friday to dis charge a man who had been committed for a breach of pri vilege on Wednesday, and who, on Thursday, was guilty of libelling,the House. He should therefore to-morrow oppose the motion of the Hon. Member for the dischal e ° Grady. f h is Sir G. HILL app e ared at the with a Message •IT, had Royal Highn ess th e P r i nce R ege nt, announcing t hat : u sat ordered certain Papers to be laid before the House, Pr' to its Addresses. sdol Sir WDe CRESPIGNY ave notice, that on Wed° At, he . should more for certain Returns respecting the seised Taxes, and the Arreku;s of the Property Tax. . • DRGHEDA LE. On Sir HENRY PA O E RNELL's motion, CTION the order far t e I,l it c 4 ' into consideration the Petition respecting the Drogheda ortier tion on the 22d of March was discharged, and a no!' ,at iof made, fixing the 27th of April as the day for investl the subject. L DEBT.mhe Mr. FITAM, from the NATIONA office of the Comiqgiane f° o for reduction of the National Debt, presente d vatioos ac con which were laid on the table, and ordered to be printed' THE WINDSOIt ESTABLISHMENT . t bti Lord CASTLEREAGH moved the Order o f ;e4l Day for receiving the Report of the C otnnlit on the %Viudsor Establishment. ;,it The Order of the Day having been eft" Lordship moved that the Report be now rep which was also agreed to. Boa' ' The Report wis then brought op by:VI:. -- if , pa e DEN, and the different Resolutions rea° 31 „i t es to the vote. The two first were agreed to ‘• eo 4 out any observation, but on the third being a ,i 6 t for granting 10,0001. a•year out of the C ivil m to the Duke of York, as Custos Persona , t hat' Mr. CU EWES rose.—He had been in llor f ee, the House would have received another d isol t ho from a certain quarter, more comprehensive,•real the last, and which would have satisfaction both to Parliament and to th e e „ try. It vas with deep regret l ie h a d beet- hi; formed, in common with the House, in oh. Royal Highness found more difficnitY, given 1 0 " 4 000 , ing the proposed allowance out of [Be lie Purse, than from the people at large. t , 10 5 precated the discussion of such a I D P7 ( o nif night, hut when it was p ress ed upon bin i ';,...rale remained to desert a sacred duty, or 10 (" `" ) „frlf his feelings. He was convinced that no ee s which would trench upon the comforts ot ,`l'esty would find a single supporter in th e 7 ( j „ai• but fortunately the present question st° ° ' l ,,es% nletely apart from such consideratioes• 004 impos:.ible to conceive that any 1 sum of ni of could increase the care and tender at were the Custos towards his Royal Parent• ii" s t e flee' not to be purchased, and would .bt ti (es- r tionately bietowed without any relun g l, l 9 o He (Mr. C.) was executing a duty paini u ,„,proll feelings, but it was necessary for him to 4 7 1 , - woo the situation of the Royal Duke, as lie 11°% Sine. with what it was intended to make „ b p " . lCo te` his Royal Highness's return to the offic e " ,,ity hack mander-in-Chief, his services in that ear l a rge. certainly been beneficial to the countrY a ' at ill it But however useful that office might b e ', i i t ional was a new one, and imposed . a heavy e" l o , e vere hurdler) upon the country. It was °nes ho he Net the abolition of which lie should now be , hi nt s it to propose. But when be considere"oooo l . yielded to his Royal [highness a revenu e (w ore"' per annum, besides perquisites to a great e l : n ;,tioa 6 that his other emoluments from various s'": i d t hat amounted to upwards of 10,0001. a-Yea r, 8- 0 , al° i l: e e a t r •e l c y e .c iv q e u l l in to addition 20,0001. that he laboured ender any country , or that it makin g, s h n 60,0001,,yearly fr ° vc -oe Iris , ~ ce ive es p e O r rl ll*l Wet he i c_oreltrly.., of t tfici i‘ u . ./ c oo I try had a fair right to e Y xpec a t d t i b i t ft o t no s Ocb tnentation should be made. Now with re- rl to the situation of Cust os , w h at expel -ice w nh e d ) knew of no other than that of entail upon his Royal Highness ? 1-Ie 0 11% -.- from London to Windsor, and back posing it to amount to 5001. or evert 1000 1 . e u i year, which was certainly the outside, he adult consider it an offence, to , propose a retntw er ;,, l aie to his Royal Highness for so trifling a n [tire. But other charges had been mention% te d Posting twice a sZeiet". %hat were they ) Something had been bu t about fees , • and objects of generosity; 11 ' 3 ;e-- those were to be paid out of, a different In n s tic There was no expence, be must contend, t . ° 1 0.11 incurred by his Royal 'Highness but the 6 ,- I ftir posting account which lie had mentioned , which his Royal Highness would not ce r ' to - the require that au addition should be mad e - „:ho btirthens of the country. There was n01 .00 ,,e4 did not wish that economy should be intr"" ut into every branch where it Was practicabl e ' t ee when the Noble Lord opposite had said that ran t House was disposed to hear hard on ail se proposed for the Royal Family, he ought to b ast recollected with what feeling the House lo d l oa year measured those grants, which might be e „ t o red niggardly,dant which bad been reduced in 0 .. der not to diminish, but to preserve in th eir tegrity, the love and veneration of the Pe ° , l „ fOr the family of their SoVereign. It w as 1 ,1 1 ) . - „; sible not to confess that those reiterated alP i t c ieS tions for money had giveir general offence tn one Country, and he was determined not to vot e shilling of remuneration for the Custos, fully tiO suaded that the duties of that office would a. „," - r el tenderly and as effectively performed by bic Highness 'n ithout, as, with the grant nrct io s. He should therefore take the sense of the on the present resolution. 1) 10 Mr. ROBINSON con cu rred with the Honot n :4 Gentleman in one p o i n t, li e w ou ld agree I° -- Le the services of his Roy a l Hi g hness as CommUn".4.o in-Chief out of sight, but then he would recit e the salary which he received for their perfolWca to be also left out of the question. No Pro could be more willing - to make a sacrifice I ( ) % i a benefit of the public than the Duke of York ; the proof of this w a s, th a t h e w a s now discbetto; fug the duties .of the office of Custos %O h l% knowing whether Parliament would make s it, allowance for the heavy expences incident t° —(Hear, hear !)—The Right Hon. Gen tle :id talked of this discessien having been obt r "* upon the House, and alluded to the diset o- 0 , which had taken place on the grants last yet , r posed for the Royal Family. B u t he bi . g,g'e u ,.. - te s House to recollect, that the objection to tbe , l l , o C proposed last'Session was to the amount , f nit , - t he to the principle; whereas the objectio'ta t" ba t vote now in question was not to the ornooo t, d b. to the principle.—(Hear, hear !)—This was s- e d stantial disti n cti o n b e t ween th e vote pu°1 1 " n 0 1 now _and those which had been biought t° l "` v .„ - a s last Session. On the whole question, lie convinced that th e H o u se wou ld f e el that th e " 'l to now proposed w a s o n ly s u c h a s w a s necessal CORN PETITIONS. Lord EBRlNGTOVresentadiiciiiion from certain Oc cupiers of Laud in the County of Dcvon,yrayiug for sonic 1,1 1