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. ' CH ESTER. LETTER OF EARL GROSVENOR, TO THE COMMITTEE APPOINTRD TO RECEIVE AND AI'PLY SUBiCRIPTIONS FUR RAISING AN ADDI- TIoNAL ARMED FORCE IN THE COUNTY OF GENTLEMEN—As it is not'mv intention to cox i'elßUTEt to the above object, I think it due to persons so hight‘ j r respectable 39 yourselves, to myself, and to the County at large, to state the reasons which influenced me hi declining to sub scribe to a general fund, or to raise any separate force. At the present moment, in this neighbour hood, every thing is quiet „and undisturbed ; and bad the existing force of the County been -augmented only by private subscriptions and in dividual efforts, I should have viewed the pro ceedings in silence, giving no opinion as to its expediency or disadvantage. But called upon, as I have incidentally been, to assist in for warding the object of the late County Meeting, I cannot, on an 'occasion so public, avoid, in is manner as public, declAi log my reasons for the line of conduct 1 mean, after due deliberation, to adopt. Those Gentlemen of the Committee, with whom I have the h , ,,frour and happiness of being acquainted, will, I trust, do me the justice to admit,' that I am not a persOn likely to be un willing; when satisfied that the occasion is a proper one, to assist in any way in my power, in main taining the - public peace, and in supporting the credit and security of the County, which must al ways mainly - rest on the faithful execution of the laws, and the preservation and prosperity of our happy Constitution. To form an impartial judg,- mein of the question now before me, I have exa mined recent events anti occurrences, with LI the 'accuracy in my power, and I must beg leave to re vert to certain local events connected with these occorrences. The Grand Jury of the County, - at the late Assizes, seeing tracts circulated, of ,a nature to undermine our religious faith, and injure our form of Government, naturally expressed their indignant. feelings on the occa sion : it appears, however, from the testill of a late trial, that,these- attacks on our religion are not likely to be countenanced by a British Jiny, any'more, I trust, than by a British People. And I am also of opinion, that our happy form of GO verument is as little in danger iron) the wild, and frequently •petnicions docitines; maintained and diiseminated on the Subject of our Constitution. The Nation is too much entighiened to be mkled by such dangerous theories. Itrlitther the voice of the People be sufficiently heard - in the Commons House of- Parlim-nt, all persons may be allowed, Nvithont not- only to doubt but to dispute ; and nosy endeavour to cot rec; what they consider a defect in , Our system, by lawful means ; but that that object, in itself legitimate when pursued constitutionally, ought ever to he obtained by frce, 1 deny as petemptority, as I wf,idd peremp torily and steadily resist it. The Parliament, it seems, is to be called- together at an earlier pe riod than usual ; and, as we are told, to devise means . for putting down disaffection. Ministers, Cierefore, 1 conclude, mean to propose laws still stronger thanthose that exist,for that purpose; and this to he attempted before any inquiry shall take place into the late distressing transactions at Man ' cl►estcr. Why the laws are to he s o strengthened, cr tl►e armed force of the country to be geavally increased, I am at a loss at. present to discover ; for whether the late transactions at Manchester were legal or not, there seemed little difficulty in :enforcing a summary process, And . protecting, if endangered, the persons and property of the in- Imbitantg. Before, then, recourse be had to ex traordinary legisidtion, and extraordinary srming, it may be advisable to intinire, whether the con duct of the Magistracy has not been calculated - rather to produce than restrain unlawful combin ations on the part of the people. Some of that Magistracy I have the pleasure of knowing, mid more honourable and upright persons cannot exist. I would at ail times rely on their inte grity ; and few things tvOuld grieve me more, than that they should stiffer in their repination,or in any other way, front the unfortunate events that have recently occurred at Manchester. Ilut to stifle or delay inquiry would only injure them, while a full and fair investigation would, doubt less, he what they would most desit e. Fur my self, I have little doubt but that the Meeting at Manchester, of the 16th of August, would hate terminated as peaceably as those in other parts of the country, where meetings of the same de scription have beer) held, had it not Brett for in judicious interference. What the immediate and ultimate object of the persons calling such meet ings may be, I pretend not to determine ; but that, at all events, is a subject of separate con siderstion. 'lb:: whole affair, then, should be stibutitted, without reserve, to the investigation of impartial Committees, in Parliament, which will alone give satisfaction to the country ; will alone save l'ailiarnent trout the repro;iclies of those who think that it re-echoes but imperfectly the public voice. It is, 1 am aware, ni.iintained by some, that it would he best to wait the deci sion of the Tribunals of Jusiice ; hut, under the discouragements that have recently occurred, one should find a difficulty in recommemling peise verance in such a coot se, particularly after the re snit of the inquest at Oldham—an inquest held for the purpose of inspiring into a charge of tril tul murder, and which should have been brought t o a te rmin a tion as speedily as a due examination of witnesses would allow, It is said, in justifi cation_ of the extraordinary and alarming adjonrn ment of the inquest to a week alter the to tying of Parliament,and thecousequent postponement of the verdict, that it was done at the desire of th'e This, however, it is also said, they disclaim ; but evro had .they expressed..such a wish, the cause of it should have been made. known in a manner the most distinct and formal ; and if, Irony indis ptt.it 101 l of ally of the Jury, on the testrmony Of medical turn, then as little delay as possible should have been ,allowed no ititetrtilit the pro gress of the iuques• It trances have bcen com mitted, let the offenders be ftunisi, d ; and, at all events, let us five satisfaction to.an on xi outs and inti4iking Nation. Befote, diett, we stir a step towards rigorous legislation, or menactog mem, it behoves its to inquire whether our con stitutional laws way nut have suffered sonlethirg from those who have the guardianship of them in their own hands, and whether, if that be the case, such violation of its sacred holwarks may not, in reality, create, if it has not already created, a dis positioo to retaliate, where no intentions of re sistance before existed. It, however, contrary to my expectations, (here should, indeed, appear a determination, openly and distinctly acted upon, to overturn the Constitution of the Country, I shall be ready to exert every means i❑ toy power to meet and resist such spirit of hostility, a4ainst what I conceive, in ciammon, doabtless, with the great body of the nation, to be the most perfect form at Government with which any country_ was ever blessed. D ur i og th e h i t e war, I raised A corps of infantry, and subscribed, in various instil liCeS, 'to other corps, fur the protection of my country against a foreign enemy. May God grant that I may never see the hour when I may be compelled to do so against a domestic one ! It, however, that unhappy momentfrhould ever arrive, I shall not, I trust, be found wanting in calling into action all the re sources within my spitete of influence. I have the honour to be, with sincere respect, Cientlemen, your obedient and faithful Servant, GROSVENOR. Eaton Hall, October 94, 1314. (Chester Guardian, Thursday, Oct. 28.) THE RADICALS. TO THIS IJNEEPRESP.NTFD 157 HABITANTS OF THE BRITISH METROPOLIS riends and Fellow-Countrymen-1r- was my in tention to have addressed a ward of advice to you previous to the Meeting proposed to be held iii Fittsbory-market, on Monday next, the Ist of November; even if the infamous and scurrilous falsehoods of Messrs.. Watson anti Thistlewood had not been published in all the London News papers ; hut now it. becomes a ditty I owe to myself, as well as to you and the public, to be somewhat mote explicit than 1 should other wise have been, relative to the connexion that has existed between' myself and - the above wor thiesA and I l; now of no way that 1 can per form this ditty more to my own satisfaction, and better for the information of the public, thin by giving a brief outline of what has transpired be tween us since my first introduction to them, wl.ich was immediately preceding the first spa fields meeting, on the 151 ii November, 1816: hot before I do this, one word as to the charges tnade against nw, of having misapplied two fivd r,,,id owes, one subscribed for Major Cart wright's election. and the ()flier f or t h e expences of the first Smithfield Meeting, as detailed in a private letter bon,. Blandford to Thistlewood.— As to the fitst, it is totally without foundation, as shoe rentaios at this time 201. of that subscrip tion unexpended ; and as to the latter, what is the fact Mr. Pearson, after the meeting, gave me check for 51. to defray certain expences which arose out of the meeting, for which public purpose it has been applied, and not • to p it y Noy part .of tire expences of calling the meeting, in whit) !wither Mr. Pearson nor myself were in the remotest degree consulted or concerned ; b u t if it were otherwise, can any one believe for a mo ment, that if these persons had been informed that I had received 51. for them, that they would have had the slightest hesitation in applying to me fort the money! lint to proceed. Upon my receiving an invitation, signed Thomas Preston, to artrod the first meeting to he held in pafields, I was requested to call in Greystoke-place, from whence I was directed to a house where I was introduced to 1)1.. liratson and Mr. Thistlewood, tvho . informed me that they had prepared a document to be submit ted to the meeting, which Ott perusing I (fortu nately for their necks) prevailed upon them . to abandon, and substitute in its stead the memora— ble petition, which, on being presented to his Royal Highness the Prince Regent, produced the next thy an order for the payment of 4,0001., front the (twits of the Admiralty to the Spitalfields Soup Committee. After the meeting they followed me to my inn, where they brought young Watson and the famous Mr. Castles, of whom they spoke in the highest terms of praise, and recommended him tomy notice as one of the very best fellows that ever lived : in the course of the evening, circumstances occurred which convinced me that their very worthy friend Castles was no better than he 'should be, and !begged that I might not in future be honotirvil with his company; honever, they came to the again the next morning, and brought their blend Castles with them, to make the (as they said) an apology fOr his conduct the evening before : but I peremptorily refused to see him, and I added, as they those to keep company with such a per son, I should decline to have any communication Stith them till we met in public at the next meet ing, on the 2d of December ; at the same time I seriously admonished Dr. Watson to bewate of Caries. However, instead of attending to my advice, and waiting to join me in Sparields at one o'clock, the hour the meeting was appointed to he held, they, together with Mr: Castles, im patient of controul, assembled at eleven, to set up, es they are now doing., for themselves, foul commeoced one of the most contemptible, ridicu loos, and mischievous riots that ever disgraced the most contemptible of plots, when they marched - off, in true Quixotic array, to attack and take toe Tower of London, with a dick-stick and a horse pistol. This notable undertaking ended in the escape of young Watson to America, the hanging of poor Cahhtudit, and, their vety excellent friend Castles having turned King's evidence, the ttials of Messrs, Watson, Thistlewood, and Co. for high treason. In consequence of their base anti tteacherous conduct towards me, they expect ed, as they have since informed me, that I should have „appeared against them as a witness on the part of the Crown ; but what was the faci Not withstanding they had by their infamous and con temptible proceedings placed me in the most im minent danger, I attended as a voluntary witness for them, and gave evidence of the proceedings and conduct of Castles, which evidence, as I have been since told, had great weight with the Jnry in their re . turning a verdict of- " Nett built y."— Brit, to verily the old adage, " Save it thief from th e gallows, and he will cut your throat," I saw but little more of 'kr. Thistlewood, after he called on Me to express Iris gratitude, till he teas einn- Matted to I - 10i filiam-gaol for challen k ;ing Lord Sid- 4 month, when, on his release, 1 procured a friend to oiler bail for him. Dr. Watson 1 considered a re claimed "man, and he had access to my lodgings whenever he called, and he always expressed the greatest gratitude for my exertions to assist him in escaping 60111 the fangs of his persecutors. He called the meeting held in Palace•yard in Septem ber, ISIS, and in conjunctiva with Mr. Thistle wood called the meetings in Smithfield, without any other consultation with me than merely in viting me to attend after they bad called them, which meetings all ended peaceably, and without anY disorder. The meeting to be held in Fins bury-mat ket is called under the same auspices ; and as they have not invited me to attend it, I should not have intruded myself so much on your notice, if it had not been for the extraordinary appeal of Mr.Thistlewood to the nnited liritons and Irishmen, which, as it looks very much like another , of hissanad Faiths, I shonl.l be unworthy your eons fideoce, if I were not to caution you against the evil consequences likely to result front any thing of the sort which he takes in hand. In the first place, do not, my friends, be deceived by his or rather Dr. kVatson's boasting language. They possess neither power, influence, talent, nor courage, to carry any of their mad projects into execution. Recollect, my friends, that the whole army of these heroes, Generals Watson, Thistlewood, and Preston, Lieutenants and all, when they last sum moned the Tower of London, fled in dismay at the flist approach of the military ; nay, oa the appearance of the fits' soldier, the mighty Gene rals scampered off in all directions, in the greatest disorder, having previoudy surrendered their tri coloured standard to Sir James Shaw, an un armed individual. These pet - sons now profess to be very angry with me, because I have celled Mr. Tiiistlewood a spy, and Dr, Watson a buss , fellow. But let tt• examine the truth. I certainly said at the Crown and Anchor, that the person who had used Si; Chatles Wolseley's panic as Chairman, without first gaining his con sent, acted very improperly, and that who pro posed another as Chairman. without Consniting any one, was o loos/ fellow this unfortunately Happened to be the Doctor, and as I atu always uneasy. it 1 unioteniionally or hastily hurt the feelings of any oir., I commissioned a notionl friend to say so to the Doctor ; as for Mr. Thistle wood, 1 ne ver even hinted that he was a spy, I never thought him such, although ,many of those who profess themselves now his friends have said as notch. I entreat you, my friends, to read again attentively toy Letter to the Reformers of the North, and you will see that I accuse him of 110 such thing, even by implication ; I only entitle to the possibility of his being the unsuspect ing instrument in the hands of some hireling of the Government ; and as I have known that he and Dr. Watson have been the veriest tools in the hands of the Government spy, Castles, I think it very probable, as I also know them both to he very weak men, that they are now again the no swiveling tools of another Castles. My object in writiog to the North was t 4::• prevent, it pos sible,a [meeting at Manchester before the assembly of Parliament ; that object has been obtained, 1 have received the thanks of the very best friends of liberty in that country, for frustrating the hopes of the Government to obtain some pretence for passing dungeon and gagging bills. They have now no real or substantial grounds for proceeding to any such unconstitutional measures. Give them no such pretence, my ftleods. Then let them pyo ceed to pass such laws, without any cause, if they please ; let us be peaceable, and at least have the law on our sides,as wehave done at Manchester. Go to the Meeting if you please, but go determined to put down any one who attempts to commit any riot or breactoof the peace : let him be who ever he may, seize him and hand him over to the civil power. We have now got three-fourths of the people in our favour ; but suffer a few mis creants to cause a riot, even it it should be as wanton, childish, and ridiculous as that on the 2d December, and we shall immediately have the balance turned against us. The press and the Boroughmongers will join in recommending and passing all sorts of tyrannical laws apinst out lives and our liberties. By cool and temperate con duct, the people of Manchester have gained the great victory over their enemies : do not you, therefore, suffer any act of violence to destroy the progress of that victory. I am your sincere friend, Middleton Cottage, Oct. 28. H. HUNT. The following Letter was yesterday addressed to Dr. Watson by the Radical Cumuli' tee : The Committee of Management appointed to carry the in tended Meeting on Monday next into effect, have authorised me to trans►nit to you a respectful and urgent invitation to take the Chair at the said Meeting. The Cou►urittee have,been disappointed in the expectation of the attendance of a Gentleman front Warwickshire, of known abilities and integrity; and from your long-tried, faithful, and zealous services, in the cause of au oppressed and suffering people, the Committee are anxious that you should do thee► the favour to accept the►r invitation: Your co►npliauce will oblige, dear Sir, Your esteemed Friend and Fellow•-Sufferer, T. BALDWIN, Chairman of the Committee. Committee Room, Wych-street, t let. 19, 1819. The Doctor has returned (he following answer G LNITLENI EN—I cannot but regret that yo❑ have been disap pointed in the Gentleman you had invited to preside at the important 'Meeting to be held in the Market-place, Finsbut,y square, on Monday next. At the same time, 1 beg leare to assure you, that 1 am deeply impressed with the distinguished honour you have done me in believing any exertions of mine in the cause of suffering humanity awl liberty merits so favourable an opinion as to incline you to consider me worthy to supply the deficiency. For particular reasons at this moment, I certainly 6110Uid have wished that you had made choice of some other person of greater weight and talent to take that post of honour; nevertheless, although I find my health considerably impair ed, I wave every personal consideration, and shall not fail to present myself before my friends on that occasion, when, if no other person will take the post of honciur, and the assembly accord in opinion that I should take the chair, I will clothe best its my power to perform my duty in that cause, which every lione'st man must have so near at heart. Fully convinced, from my experience of the steadiness and discretion of the people, they will nut suffer themselves to be irritated into a breach of the peace, or any PitEln AT CI AL nErEscx, even in the event of an attack upon their persons, which I cannot suppose will be made, from the full persuasion that the ene mies of the people will always receive a revulsion in the me tropolis, which would overwhelm them in the confusion. 1 am, Sir, with the greatest esteem, Your fellow-sufferer, 3:IIMES WATSON. Three King's-court, Fleet-street, Oct. 1819. BEWARE, OF MAGISTERIAL TRICKERY. ttifl,l Meet in t r Mo t iday next, Nov em b er 1, a t Fi ns b ury • The Committee of Management appointed to carrYt he in- Murket-pidet Eiu.buri •square, intv ea c et, i leac received f► tht it is the intent io n of sti pen cliarlf to post mation placar a d . s on the walls of the some Metropolis on the ing of the day the Meeting is to be held, an nouricinZ its,. h os pression or post; ) onmeot. The Committee request 04 ' 1 u rf it i to take no notice whatever of Magisterial impositioll.o ay.; photild practisedY, the Committee being determined °tn.,. senible constitutionally. and meet their surfoiti' c"" . e men, to discuss their grievances, even at the hazard of I -11 ' 3 li yes. Signed on behalf of the Committee, THUS. BALDWIN, CiiAirm ale Committee Room, Oct. C 9, 1819. MANCHESTER, Ocr. 23. SALFORD QIJAP.I'EIt SESSIONS. [From The Times.] Amos - Ogden, one of those who had been charged with being concerned in the late di 9 " l 7; bances at this place. and against whom a trite b ' has been found, this morning appeared at the bars for the purpose of traversing his case, and tei' der ing bail. The names of Richard Ogdenot tacturer, and John Marland, a worsted finisa le .. , * were given in and accept e d. The defendant " bound in 501., and the bail in 251. each. T M recognizance was read without the clause of k ee r in the peace, and only called upon the answer that the defendant do prosecute his fr ae verse with effect at the next Sessions, and tha tl4l ' do not' depart the Court without leave. The names of Whitworth, Sladen, and otl l concerned in the same transactions, , were cal lg ' ° but they did not appear. Mr. W/LLTAMS then said, that he had no ob..l ee ; Lion if the bail wet e taken privately, a. it 1 1 ° 4 " 1 1 save some trouble. -When the bail comes.' ll4 4 ,. have no objection to its being taken, if. Mr. ft e ,,, ford (the Solicitor in the case) appro.,' of th e l It he allows them, they may be taken wi;botlt* further trouble, quietly in the corner. Tip. Grand Jury have returned true bills I/Vro, (son of James Wroe, of the Manchester Observer. Alice Wroe, ( 1 , 0 wife of Jam s Wro e ), ant ) John Choltorn s:,,p-boy ) , for eir , ulating certain numbers oi tit. 'e Manchester Observer, containing gross libels. 'f ra i hills hav e &s o been found against .the for tnisdemeiinours, all connected with the j , 4 tf o f disturbances in and near the n e ighbourheo" this town : Robert . Smitb, Th omas j ac ksl' John Brown, George Whittle, Armor O'N ti ! '. John Wbartnby, and Sarah and Louisa floi , 6"' and two or three others. Bills were not found against John TaY l !f' James Dickey, and William Billinge r all for 10 1 " ' demeanour. fed About three o'clock the Grand Jury appes . in their box, in order to be discharged. l? Chairman--Have you looked through the • Foreman—We have, and found it good nid e a Chairman—You have been very aitige,t, 01 0 found a great number of bills io a very 6b(j o time ; you are now discharged, and excused 1 0 . serving on any juries for two years. 11 . 11 The Sessions tre expected to terminate t" week. nti Before tl!is. rrtbe Court, Mr. Pearson , ' the part of David Wroe, Alice Wroe, ChorlW l and some others, tendered bail to tr aver se the it dictments to next Sessions. Thii was not nl t in open Court, but privately, according to advice of Mr. Williams. , The bail was 254 tlfi o the principal 50/. The usual fee of It. 6s. paid on each indictment. • 0 11 AWFUL DEATH. -On Thursday, as the of St. Lawrence, Ramsgate (a stout hale 133 11 1 e was in the act of lowering a corpse into t 6 grave, he was struck by death, fell Flown, an ; instantly expired, withrwt even uttering a gr a ti s ,/ How stron4ly should the solemn truth—" midst of lite we are in death !" be impressed all. This prior man, whose name is was between 40 and 50 years of age, and F.c sr :i6 ly ever known to have had a day's illness in whole coarse of iris lite. A tew dap ago the two men who rntirtter Mr. STUART WoRTLRY'S gamekeeper were r vcjed, Omitted nild bend-taffed, to the Castle York. They were boill v,ry desperate looking welt. One ot then; appeared. as' if he trace a soldier•. Both «•ere poachers well known. COAL MARKET, Ocr. 29. Ships at Market. Ships sold. priors' gt Newcastle 3f Sunderland ' 3 COURSE OF EXCHANGE, FRIDAY, 0cr• 1 2 0 ,. e , Ainstetdant ..... Ditto, at Sight ll 14 Rdtterdant Antwerp l2 0 I Co m Haburgli Altoua Paris, 3 Day's sight 25 5 0.. L P,, i Ditto - Botirdeaux, ditto Fianhforton the Main Madrid . - A .6 0. ' 4 ' 11 0 4 1 • Cadiz - .E 0 liilboa . 'l4 Seville Gibraltar .. Barcelona Leghorn ... Genoa... gli-Venice, Ital. Liv 27 SO Malta... ..46 -Naples 3ai r Cie Palermo Lisbon Oporto RioJanciro iii Dublin. ... ..... 111..... C0rk..... 1 11 per Qent. 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