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11015S1,; CONINIONS. (Continued from our Second Pa;e.) CANIELFOITh ELECTION% Ar.vzy, after obset sing that encrigh r.f time had been allowed fm the consideration of this CASE', to enable every Member to make np . his rind urn it, moved that the Report of the Coto leitre on this Election be taken into considera tittn this day tix montbs. Mr. WvNNP. thought !itch A course as that now proposed tvonld he Very inconvenient, a nd tillnd ing the itultioto of William nn , Y. , to co!tody, :Old to the ,cirenfustßnce that nt, ‘v,rit had is•utd for the election of a new Member for tLis liorongh, moved ai an Amentlment, that the Re ; :ort of the Committee he taken into further oo!“.ideration on Monih'y next, when Mr. Hanoi f,l.rt.lt! be ca:!eci before the !louse. Air. 'M. A. TAYIna t-ilone,bt the !lou onttlit to r -or, et! immr+fiatcly to 1169 Tort, Jilt, he intct,dvi! t, move tin Amendment to (bat effect. C•ASTLFRFAGI-llnke to order. 'FI R! is l2 ,gvtcri, thht there WRS ft rno• Co.!) amel , (lntent !tetOre fte nonce, he tlivo.ed of before any other amemlnteni zrt,lo I\l A. Taylor proceeded to vay that no case had heel) made - out egai!).t the BoionOt gene ra!!:,., yet the tiouse was calltd upon to suspend the is.oing of !he Ivrits for an ludt.finitc period. 'The Comminve had nride no report against the Ecrough, yet it was 1 170 1 ;osed in effect that this liwoo;:h be tlisiraochisrd. Thk was not dealing !Ably by the Electors ofCamelford. It was pro osed that Mr. Hallett (who 410 absconded from giviliz evidence before the Committee, where be v.00d(1 hate been examined npun oath), should on Alondsr he c.lied before the House and examined, not npon oath, ,with the view of extracting evi ritnee from him which sho uld incolpate the whole body of the Electors of the Borough of Camel fold. lie therefore moved, that the Order for further considering die Report of the Committee be now read. Mr. D, W. HARVEY sad, that the Hon. Get tleman (Mr. SVyttoe) seemed not to have con etrued his (My. liarvey's) motion very correctly Be seemed to think that Mr. Hallett was a Peti Timmer before the House, praying that he might he admitted to the Bar to prove one of the most flagrant instances of corruption and bribery that had ever been disclosed. The Counsel who con ducted the case before the Committee, undertook to prove a conspiracy for procnring a corrupt election for this Borough ; and the Report of the Committee showed that this had been made out to a great degree. The facts were, that there were twenty-nine .Electors for Camelford ; that this Borough had been frequently the object of sale or barter; and that it was now the pro perty of 'A Noble Lord whom he would not name, AS those who had received the Report must know that his Lordship's name was no secret. —(Laugh ter.)—Shortly before the last election, a_meeting Olive of the Electors teas held at an Inn, near the Borongh, called " The All-worthy," where they. met a certain Reverend Divine, who ex pressed to them a desire to return two Members to Parliament. To this desire the Electors made no objection, but annexed only one condition, namely, that a large sum of money should be deposited for certain purposes, mentioned whispers at the- meeting. With this condition, it appeared that the Reverend Divine did not or could not comply. The five electors, however, did not abandon their design. Accordingly they inet again at another inn, called " The Five Lanes," near Camelford, where a letter, signed, James Harvey, was mead, offering 6,0001. for procuring the return of two Members for the Borough, to he distributed among any fifteen elec tors. This proposal was agreed to. The re ply to the letter, which contained an accep tance of the proposal, was addressed to a Nr. Sibley, the partner of Mr. flatlet. It was proved before the Committee, that Mr. Hallet had held op 60001. before his partner Sibley, and said, !' Sibley, do you think the Camelford Electors will bite at this." As a security for the m o ney , i t appeared that the half,notes of the 60001. were deposited at Camelford. In the end, however, the conspiracy failed, and the election was lost. On this, hovVeVer„it did not appear that the half notes had been delivered back ; for it was proved that Hallo or Sibley had said, " What damned rogues these Camelford Electors are—for, do you know, I could not get back the half notes from them with (it mai l ing some compromise." After all this, he did not see how the Horse could forbear from cal ling Mr. Hallet before them, considering that he had absconded to avoid giving evidence before the Committee. It had also appeared before the Committee that there were two sets of candidates, both on the ministerial interest. But as they found. they could not all come in, they had agreed to settle their claims by time very tasteful mode of draw ing tickets out of a tea-pot—(Laughtt s r).e—and in this way the lot bad fallen on Mr. Stewart and Mr. Collett, the two unsuccessful candidates be ing Colonel Pannier and Mr. Collett. There was no mode so effectual for abolishing the abuses and corruptions of the borough system,. as by taking each particular case which came before the House, and punishing those who appeared guilty. The arguments of the Honourable Baronet (Sir F. Burdett) yesterday, by which-he contended that it was injustice to inflict punishment in individual cases when corruptions of the same kind were so general, were erroneous., It was now contended by an Hon. Member (Mr. M. A. Taylor) that it was bard to punish the whole 29 electors for the mis deeds of only five. But there was no force in this. it was no object with him that this Borough be long.erl 'to a Noble Lord of Ministerial Politics ; he would be for acting in the same way, whether the politics of the proprietor were opposition (31' quiuisterial.—(Hear, hear !)—lt seemed to him that by such a System as that which prevailed in . this Borough tbere were two Houses of Lord's, and that the Peerage was represented in both bear, bear 1)--He therefore thou; ht the !louse ought, consistently with its own dignity, to prosecute this matter. Lout t:ArrLEREAGH said, the Hon. Member seemed to think he wall adverse to Wilier pro ceedings in this case : but that was not the fact ; kr cordially se,rted with the propotai of the Lipp. Cqr. All thnt he ,kvisbeci was, tbto the flue se iwiglit be saved from an inoteeesqnry debate I,his nigh:. - Mr, 1) W. 11 AltvEY protested that he never meant to nlllide nrrsonally to the NoblelJord (Castlerett;;lo in what. i,e said generally as to illitristerial Politics. Lord t;AsTLEtutAGn said, he did not nnclerstanti the 'Hon. Menthe' . as having allotted to hint per sonally in what he now , mentioned. lie had merulyreterred.to the general course of orgutmnt of the lion Gentleurair. Mr, Pim:Rost , . thought the ILittse on {ht to proccer! to the Report immediately, .and chit it w o uld he toliwit to call hefore than Mr. 11Ailett. Mr. BATHuRsT could not agree to the motion ; that unless a connected proof of agency was placed before them. by tl,eir Committee, they should not proceed to procure turher evidence, nor to any investigation for this pti - tpo.te. By the same rule, all chat the House had done in the cases ot rem yn and Barnstaple was irregolor. As to the objecti*on, that the House would he calVng upon an individual to give evidence as to acts of criminalite in which he him self was involved, that might be a •good reason for prosiding an indemnity to the witness placed iu such circumstances, biit it was no reason why the House should relnse to proceed in an invesri• gal lon, and should shut its eyes to abuses which %sere apparent to the whole .wto Id besides.— (Hear, hear I .)—As to what the effect of the evi dence might be, it would he enough for the Honse to decide when it was in possession of it. 'Those who thought that there was safficien't 'grounsl ot corruption made out against this Borough to jus tify further ieviry, must ssgree to the motion of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. ‘lrynoe). Mr. BROUGHAM hoped - his Hon. Friend (Mr. Taylor) would agree to withdraw his opposition till further inquiry. Sir C. BuRRELL thought the house ought to go into e vidence to the utmost. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR consented to withdraw his opposition to the motion. Mr. firtouGHAM proposed the ,attendance of John Herriot at the Bar - to-morrow, as the fur• Cher consideration of the Grampooud Ricoh - in would occupy the attention, of the House on Mon day. Mr. WYsrsto, although it was unusual to enter on any business which would extend (heir sitting to any considerable length on a Saturday, bad no objection to accommodate those interested to morrow. Mr. BROUGHAM was reduced to the necessity of urging the further progress toi:murrow, or to ha zard it altogether fur the present Session. Mr. BRAOGE BATHU as: objected to the further progress to-morrow. It had always been under slot-7d -that their sittings on Saturday were merely to advance a stage or two in private Bills, and not for the purpose of entering into long discos sions, The Hon. Gentleman therefore recom mended Monday instead of to-morrow. Mr. Alderman WArTusaAN, believing that it was a custom with many Members to leave town on a Saturday to enjoy country air, and the contorts of retirement, hoped t hat Monday would he preterred. Mr. Buonduast persisted in his proposition fur to-morrow. Air. CALCRAFT stated, that in his opinion there would be little or no chance of advancing farther on Monday, as the hramponnd Election would have the priority ; and rig on 'Tuesday he. was given to understand there wottl{! he an adjourn ment of the House, to afford time'to the Lords to get through the remainder of their business previous to the Prorogation of Patliament, his Hon. and Learned" Friend was obliged to propose to•morrow, or to lose any further opportunity this Sessions. The adjournment would therefOre certainly - take place, as there were no more taxes likely to he imposed upon the people tinting - the present Session. But notwithstanding this thtial courtesy to the other House, he saw no reossiin why the Commons should not sit On important business, if necessary, till the very day ot, proro gation. If not able - to pursue their investigation either on Monday or Tuesday, Parliament ought to give those interested in the result further time to proceed -to a conclusion. 'The 'Representative part of the Constitution was deeply connected in the decision ; and the suspension of such -privi leges way undoubtedly a cirerimstatice Of *the :e'er} first importance. Mr. BRAGGE BATHURST stated, that the'.qttes tint) entirely depended upon whether the House would or Would not sit beyond Tuesday. It not, it was obvious that the Hoose could not resume any business after their adjournment, as their next meeting would snerely be for the efirpose of-hear ing the Royal Speech, and witnessing the Proro gation. Mr. CALCRAFT wished Hist some other arrange ment could-be formed, so as to afford them an op:: portunity of proceeding further tin the examinasi lion of the witnesses. Mr. LUSHINGTON a ssured the Housa, that with regard to the adi e searnment on Tuesday, Gentle men Might remain quite easy on that point, as there was no authority whatever for such an as• section.—(llear, hear!) Mr. CAecrtAwr confessed that be had merely spoken front rumour. When be arrived at the House, he was informed that the adjournment would certainly take place on Tuesday next. A Member, whose name could not be learnt, loudly declared that they were bound not to se parate till they formed a decision on this import• ant subject. After some observations from Mr. WILBER FORCE, Mr. Alderman WOOD, and Mr. C. WYNNR, it was- agreed,•that the torther consideration of the Report on the Catnelford Election should he resumed on Monday; anti a question was put and carried to that effect. 1 ' It was also, on motion, ordered, that the SPEAKER do not issue his warrant for a new Writ for Camelford before Monday next. Mr. D. W. UARVEY then moved, that Wm. let be ordered to attend on Monday.—Ordered..The Honourable MEMISEM afte.rwards , moved, •that .laniel Harvey be ordered also to attend On Monday. .Thii was a very important wit ness. Hg wrote the memorable letter. 19 the Conspirators, giving them instructions bow to tict. They Answered that they would attend to, the contents of the fetter, and accordingly, horn ti,e contents of that letter, the vstnesa gar vey could communicate to them who the- two gen!lernen were ttit were introduced to the elec tors, offeriog them the sum of 6,0001. They mieht pethaps tutee this transaction to the very Mt-lobe's themselves. If the further examination he evidence were confined to Haller, they woold very lilt ely lose the interesting communi cation of ,Harvey; the Hon. Member therefore strongly urged. his appearance. Mr. BeAGUi BATHURST said, that the question seas not now t espeeting the disfranchisement of the Itotoneh, hut merely' whether or not a particular evidence should be ordered - for - the next meeting. The 11 n. Member had always maintained, and now repeated his assertion, that no writ ought to issue till the House was 'fully .satisfied, But as.it would be necessary to postpone the final-consi deration till next Session of Parliament, he saw no reason for so particularly urging the evidence. Mr. Aldo). WAITHMAN affirmed, that there was a l rea dy a 'sufficiency of proof before the House to justify their withholding the issue of the writ. Mr. C. WYNNE was of opinion that some far ther proer•ess might be made prior to the adjourn for the Sesson. Mr. 11'1t BERFORCE proposed that James Harvey should attend on Wednesday. instead of Tuesday. Ordered. It was also ordered that the Itev;John Mason do attend ou Wednesday next. . -••• NEW. SOUTH WALES. - The House weart into ,1 Committee upon the New Smith \Vales Duties Bill. Mr. BP.NNET objected to a clause in the Bill which was to indemnify the Governor and others against the consequences of having kvted mash) duties illegally. HeconSiderefft he duties itethein selves reprehensible and impolitic ; there - was a notch heavier duty imposed upon exports than upon articles of home consumption ; besides, the Go vernor hail levied a tax upon shipping, tonnage, and persons leaving the colony, at so muclv'per head—and this was not for paying the salaries of • naval officers, but was for the greater part appro. p-iated to the emoluments of the Secretar‘r • Mr. Campbell. lle had 1811. out of every 2s. fid. of the poll-tax, and 6d. a ton on his Majesty's transports, which on a vessel of 600 tons `mounted to 151. He did not understand how Governor M'Quarrie was authorized to levy such arbitrary and oppressive imposts as he had done for 20 -years ; and he theretore moved, that that part of the clause should he omitted which contained the indemnity. Mr. Fonßes supported the Bill, and vindicated the cha'racter of - Governor M‘Qoari ie. With re gard to 'What had been odiously termed a poll -tax, the Honourable Gentleman ought to have recol lected, that to person could leave this country for the Continent without homing x hind tax,•thatsis;:a sum of moneartair histpass. Its this view the Governor's-tots' therefore , Warranted. . 4: ‘ certain Gentleman, then in his eye, had thrown insinuations -against Governor -- M.Qoarrie for , which h e'bad , ito vvell-grounded -authority. Mr. Witaseeoace, • apprehending that he was meant, observed, with some warmth, that, by•the rules of Parliament, no Gentleman was autho rised to diode -to what had peen mentioned , on auyfornier debate. What he (Mr. Wilberforce) had stated at the time alluded to he could not per feetly recollect ; but, referring to the usage of Parliament, he thought himself unfairly dealt 'with by•the altimadVersions of the Hon. Member. Mr. BRoGURN, asChairmati of the Committee, assured the Bon. Methher (Mr, Forbes.), that any allusion to ,a•fOrtner debate was directly contrary to the established rules of Parliament. Mr. FORE'RS expressed himself 'obliged by the information tof the last Hon. M em ber. If lie had been misled by the heat of the moment, it arose from , his -.anxiety for the- character of his much esteemed friend (Governor M'Qtarrie. With regard to the 'question more immediately be (Ore • the • House, be thought the duties not only too heavy on the exports, but very impolitic also. As • certain duties had been y a id on by his Majesty's Government, Garver- Qoarries had , thought . himself authorized t n tr ro le l‘ v i ; more. Some Gentlemen had amused them selves with conjectures on the - immense fortune snpposed to have been , acquired .by ,Governor M'Quarrie. He (Mr. F.) could assure the House, confirmed by the Governor's.own letter, that,,in-. stead- of having'- acquired a fortune, on his ret urn to this country, he would not be one sixpence richer than when he left it.—(.Haar, hear,)--'that it was -certainly true, he (Mr. F.) .had, been' soli, cited to purchase a small estate for him in SmitS land, at a place for which he happened to have.aa., great partiality ; but, that tlae. Governor had hi therto never been able:..tu- repay him the lotto, amounting to 50001. . Mr. C. WYNNE submitted to the Committee whether or not the Honourable Member was , not ttespassing on their time and patience. It was totally unparliamentary; for the Committee or the House -to , listen. to the • contradictions. of ,eyery idle story or silly report out of doors.----(Hear, hear, bear.) Mr. BRoODEN hoped the Hon. Member (Mr. Forbes) would confine himself to Use, subject of liscussion,;without attempting to introduce. extra nexus matter. . Mr. Foutigs thought it necessary to vindicate the character and condutt of Gov.eruorM'Quarrie„ whose fortune was so very sncocosiderable, f l)ar lie had not yet been enabled to return him his luau. of 50001 Mr. ‘VILEERFORCE objected in some • degree to giving such •unlimited 'cower to Qoverpor M'Quarrie. As he but been constantly accus tomed to a military life; he might perhap3 be ill suited for the civil department. Mr. GOULBU KN, stated, tlot Governor M'Quarrie had not - excevded the powers. granted to his pre decessors in office. lie differed from the last Hon. Member, as "the Governor's general deporc ment was very well calculated for both the civil and military departments. i‘Ir.GOULBURN bore testimony to the highly re spectable character of Governor M'Quarrie. It: he (Governor M'Quarrie) administered his office im -properl,y, let him be punished, but not subjected to viiidi c tive actions. for what he had done trom good motives, for duties which ha imposcd with the ad iee of the only legal officer in the Colony. The motive he had for not:putting pff the Mil till next cksion, was, that it would soon be ttnlide lAnown the Colonies tila! these duties were this linowlgdge,.:there was, evetytess.orrto appre • bend, would be used for purposes of persecu tion., not slope against Governor M'Qoarrie, and su b6o- dinate Ofl - i - certi in the Colony,' but alto aga inst othersin this country, who h ea l l ev i e d these du ties before Governor M‘Qi.tarrie's time. After a few observations from Mr.' Robinsoot Mr. Brogden, the Chancellor of the Exchtyleri and Mr. B. Bathurst, The CIIAIRMAN reported progress, and obtain` et{ leave to sit again to-morrow. CHASE'S RELIEF BILL. Lord JOCELYN, in moving that the Lords Amendments ribs Bill he taken intoctinsitle r rt e. (inn, observed, that there was not any set el Per' sons more deserving the commigeration' of Parria: ; me nt. th a n the widows and or p haus whom 111 °` measure would go to relieve. On the motion that the Lords' Amendments " agreed to, M r. _ANNING Said, the house, he 'would state •what the nature of this measure was. In 1797, an Act was passed to prevent British subjects from lending t"t if • money to native Princes in India, withont the - consent, in writing, of the Gtivernor in CounCil' Messrs. Chase, in the face of this Act, advanced. money to the Nabob of Arcot, - Two years se , those gentlemen presented Petitions, praying that they may be allowed 'to lay 'their chums befo re the 'Carnut -Commissioners. They admitted that the advances had been made subserviently"' the passing of the Act, but pleaded that they wer i e ' nut aWare of its provisions, and ihat ti t»ade the advance for the benefit.ot Governmoi t ' On .tleis ground it was that lie agreed to allolf the Bill to go into • a Committee, as, if th e parties could sheer that the advances' were mad` for the benefit of Gnvernment, it would he .strong poiNt in their favour. 'The Bill pios e " . the Commons, with certain clauses, staitug: why 'it had been as•sented The' Lord,i aro passOci the Bill, but at the same litne rind: 0 4 , all the reasons which the Commons.,had ahsigu e ' ) for agreeing to it. Their Lordships seemed to have set their wit . and wisdom at work, in ortl o. to return this Bill in such a shape, that It " 44 impossible to understand it;' unless, indeed. t" House were to deduce from 'a tri gative the reasons which they had pre‘iously deduced fr"i n ' all affirtirative--(a laugh.)—lt Seemed as if t'hei r • Lordships were determined to take re venge N C ., the imperfect state in which Bilk. had been se" ' up Irons the Commons. it wo•ild be better, 1I ever, to give up the Act of 1797 al!ogether. 1 "i" allovr it• to be nullified by a Bill Of ibis which did not attempt to assigtia reason whY had been passed.into a law. Under the..e cons' . iterations, he' felt himself bound to move its : A Amendment, " That the Lords' _Amendm A C ent "- taken , into' consideration on this day'3, months. t Mr. WARREN `contended that the amento e , a . introduced by the Lords did not al'er any of enactments Of the Bill, _but merely the ;round 6 1 3 Wlilelt relief should be granted. After 1 / °I tlouses bad agreed to' all the important part , ° the, measure, what would he the situation of the e gentlemen Wham it concerned, if it she rejected on the 'ftitite grottwi aplnced by thißig ll , lion. Gentleman. lee Mr. 'f. COURT: 41:Y hoped that them might lt some arrangement with their Lordships, by wh(C O the original . words .Might be re-inserted, as , thonght - it would .be. a great hardship 'for Mes.srs;,.. Chase and Co.. to: be, deplived of .t h e re lief E l which they were deemed entitled, for a frdi' v`vhich was not their Own. Mr. CANNING 'expressed his - readiness to draw his motion, .provided the• lious:e would ' 1 7 4 " agree with the Lords' Amendment, and give t ',. l ; Bill another'chrenci, by leaving it' to their V r bo • ships- to decide whether they would agree t'' measure with the omission of their own atne,itialr. Af ter a few . words from Mr. J. Cannink, Mr:S. BOUrne, Mr. Warren,3l7r.lVP' lltl and Mr. Lushington, Lord Jopt..ya: . .expressed his intention of ing the Flouse on his motion. The House For agreeing' to the Lords' Amendment For readiithe Bill this day three months !Slapiity in fAv•ir of the Bill SMUGGLING PREVENTION. Of' This Bill, after a few observations from Sir • v Ceesrtor4v, Mr. J SsatTn,-•and the CHAN CI OO LOR of the tIKCIIEQ,d2,II, WOs read a third. 011 ' and passed. ' the information of (1, that fo 'rum BANK RESTRICTION. , et The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rn-, ';the - Outer of the aty for takiug into consifir e - , tion the Lords' Amendments to the Bank of % r h o laud Cash 4'a met Bill. lie observed titi4(';t. Aaiendutents of their Lordships were very ine; s o ant, and were of Viet) a mit ote that the ii °t- 1- wollid.flot nvree to therefore inteesl,el:t ► to bring in a new Bill so framed as he th aub > would meet with their Lord.hips' coneurrence:aa., fie therefore moved tliat their Lordships' ruents be Rrther c,onsidered this day three, The [notion was agreed to. The new Bill . ivas then brought in anti re f ' al io first and second time, and ordered to be couul ted to-tnorrow. MR. OWEN'S PLAN. 013 Sir W. Ps CHNSl'lGtik . ris . tponed his 111° '" relative to Mr. O'vv'en's Kan till next Sessi oo: , ter Mr . ...V. W. WARD. - look this opportunity serving,. that his name had, wit hoot his coo s ,f and contrary, to the usual courtesy, been pt 111 11,4 ed as'oile . or a Committee for carrying' tills r be , into execution. ' He could only say that h e bd c lieved,iUr. Owen to be a very, worthy Man , : . ce , he thought his plan wholly linW ort hy of It . ( 4 Right fiOn. - Friend of his . 136 , 1 ;10 . ., 11 4. , now present„lnfd his name used in the saitle,:g.r. 511% 3. SMITH 'spoke' warmly favour , • . Owen's plan. Sir W. DC CRESPIGNY said; that it 'cs s a es Steven 13,,iirne, prid not Mr. Sturges .10t;riha whose name had been publish«l. as. on.e 01 members of :ki r . Owen's comitiii,ve. • a,s. The other Orders of the Day were ihe n ooti .posed of, and the 'House ajourned at o'CLocK. — r Ole: L')NDON: Printed by J. 1 . 1. cAttsTmits. of No. ' . 0 "" Ormonti.street. Qneen:square; anti published SCRIM'S, No. Smith 7, Sth Molton-street, at llewier" RI Oak, No. H 2, ',.tranc!'; where Acfrecti%ernent s) Letturp, Ar.e. (post-pani) be a~drest d. i • f r ¢ I