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AIPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Tsuasn&v, JUNE 6. LOlll BORINGDONT introduced by the Earls of Shaftesbury and Dighy, as .Earl of Morley, the usual ceremonies. The Alien Bill, the Irish Inland Navigation Bill, Grand Junction Canal Bill, and the Waterloo 'Bridge Bill, and others, wer brought up from the 'Commons, and read a first time. COIN. The tad of LAUIDEIITALE nurerd for several Accounts relative to the Stare of the Coin tit pre sent itt circulation, with reference to the proposed new :silver Coinage ; and the papers ‘vere ordered accordingly. lie then gave notice, that he would on Tuesday move fora Commi)tee to examine into, the state, of the Coin ; and he did so on this principle - -that the new Coinage would produce no goOd whatever, while it would impose a heavy experi,ce on the public. On the very principles laid down by the late Earl of Liverpool, it was impossible that the new Coin could remain in cir culation with a depreciated paper currencY, lle moved the Flonse be summoned for Tuesday, which was ordered. CATHOLICS.' The Earl of IiMpUUMMORE gave notice, that he would on present the Catholic pet i.. tious, which he ought perhaps to have presented at an earlier period, of the session. He named vinsday, because he wished to consult certain Noble Lords as to the best course of proceeding to be proposed upon, these petitions. PILLOW!' ABOLITION. The Earl of 'LAUDERDALE moved the second reading of the Pillory Abolition Bill : the Bill was accordingly rend a second tiMe, and ordered ' to be committed for Thursday. AL/EN BILL. Lord SIDMOUTH gave notice, that hi would move the second reading of the Alien Bill on Tuesday. Lord Hot.LAND 'expressed his hope that the Noble Lord would be prepared to show the ne-' cessity of this measure, and while teas the object of Ministers in recommending it. When they, were depriving strangers, by this most impolitic, unnecessary, unjust, and extraordinary bill, as he conceived it to be, of those advantages which th,ey bad for ages enjoyed, the least that could be cx peeled was, that the object of the measure should be clearly stated, whether it was to introduce fo reign Ministers into the internal police of this country, or to protect the . constitution of 'the: country. It would be necessary, also, to know who were or were not aliens, that their tnight know with respect to'whom they were legislating end some, questions on that point ought to be pat to ttl'4; fudges; in case the Noble Lord should' be. ahle to persuade the House to adopt the principle Of this dill' at * 'I oe / Earl of CAli:11V0 . 11 moved for an artontit of aliens residing in ',this . countrysiirec 1792 to the present ante,, 'and the, umbel of • sent. Out of the country durifig the :same period.--. Ordered. invo4ct: • . 144111) CHANCELLOR gave notice, pursuant to his pr•iciice, of the Intention to propose tcs n the clause in a Divorie Bill (Abuy's . „ Ui vorce n oeevej ple,ventnig the intermar riage of the offending parties. -CIVIL LIST BILL, The .Order for summoning their Lordships on .the consideration of this pill being read, The Earl.. of LteearooL rose, pursuant to his , notice, to a tote shortly the pounds upon whith the question:of the Civil List was brought uncler ,the view of Parliament. . The original compact, 4lemhserved, between the Crown and the Public, at the commencement. of his - present Majeiry's reign, and the arrangement founded thereon, were .materinlly t'ifferent in principle from eny of thoie. , vehlelt were taste since the Revdiution anteeedent , to that period, It, was much more unfavourable o the Crown than- any preceding arrangement. -Yortnerly the tivil branches . of the Government 'avere provided: for r by the Crown in coma tittence of certain hereditary revenues granted to 'the Sovereign, and with respect to these a mini /num was fixed, in which, if the amount fell below, Parliament was bound to make up the deficiency. the reign of Queen /Wm. the amounts of the L:st Rxpendittne was fixed at 700,0001. in the reign of (,eo. 11. the same principlawasacted lapin), only that the mittirsttot was increased to 800.0601. Upon the accession of his present Ma jesty, a different, principle was,adopted ; the'he. '.reditary revenue was no longer voted- to the Crown, but in hen thereof, a lithited sum was .Noted for the purpose. At first it :was 800,0001. but, it was afterwards increased to 900;0001. The -difference •in point of principle was obvious ; in the latter arrangement At wasintuns was fixed, which precluded the Crown a from the advantage which may arise from ,any excess in the heredi tary revenue. In the coarse of a long reign, wherein unprecedented fluctuations, snore espe cially in tise, took place in the value of money, and the prices of every article, it was. natural, t ha t corresponding fluct tint ions Ihotthi arise in the Civil List Expenditnre, and frequent re enrrenees to Parliament become necessary:— aid the Crown been left in possession of those hereditni'y revenues, frerw the increase its churn no applications of the ~kind would have been necessary. Proceeding to 'the consideration of tlie Civil List itself, the Noble Etrrl,observed, it was calculated not only for the personal ex pences of the Sovereign, butt for thOse of the Ad ministration of a great part of the Civil Govern. went of the country. Under the Bill before their .Lordships, from a view of the artieles of the 4th and oth classes together, and including the Privy Parse, which contained. all the personal expenses and establishnieut of the Sovereign, they would see . - the whole expence- was not more. than 409,0001:per anninn, whitit was not more than one-third of the gggregate amount of the Civil List. Thii Was limited, indeed, compared -with the establishments of o i ther Sovereign Pritiees.— Th e ir Lordships were imam that tinder the recont r wraogement the elloAveace fel. the Ring of Frt4tee :wa s 24 A)oo ,014 I VI ef,, .or: 1;006,0001, sterling, an d that was exclusive of the expend' .the Ktiyat VanniY, or of env r2tt or tnc t.!%11 AU nistration of France. The Civil List of this coati try was more comprehensive in its 'objects ; but the expeuces of the Civil Government, and those personally appertaining to the :Sovereign, ‘were properly continued. separate 'add distinct. Their Lordships, in the dislitirseme'ra of their own.pri vate revenues, must lie aware of the vast differ cote which should exist between an artangenient of expenditure funned now, and one formed 56 years ago. Thcaverar , e necessary expenditure of the Civil List for seven years previous to thy year 'lBO7, was Acrid 1,100,0001. per minion. To this Wass to. b, added the sum of 1701. per annum, .which was unfortimately necessary, by the tin happy situation of bi's Majesty ; but the present arrangement Of the Civil List was calculated at an expense of about 1,338 0001. a-year. The recent excesses ill the expenditure proceeded vat ety of unavoidable causes, combined with that general and obvious consideration to which he had naturally adverted, and espe chilly in the diplomatic branch, and those at tendant upon the negotiation for a genera) peace.. The reductions in the expenditure, in Ender to bring it nearer to the Civil List revenues, were effected by withdrawing certain expellees which were noW chargeable upon them, and de'- fraying the amount thereof in another way, a mode which was considered the most applicable to the principle ~of the Civil List. If, hereafter, ally reductions in the general ekpences were found practicable, it was certainly intetriled - to make them. The whole was arrangett in such a way, as to be periodically under the observation and controls} of Parliament. Ills Lordship then enu merated the principal heads of expenditure which were withdrawn from the Civil List, and advert ed to the necessary appointment of an auditor distinctly for the expenditure of the Civil List, who was to be vested with appropriate . powees, This Officer Avis also be connected with, ,and outlet the peculiar, controul of the 'Treasury, to whom he was to he responsible, as the former' Was to be 16okt:it to by the public in this branch of the nattenal expenditure. The Noble Earl then detailed certain arguments through which savings to the public would be *effected, 'and entered upon sonic Calculations ttr establish, that notwithstanding what had been urged as to the certain branches of the Civil Lis penditure, the expences in these branches, were greater at certain liefioth of thelate reign thin* they were in the present, and demonstrated that, in the measure before their Lordships,.evety pob sibie t or en v on Was. paid to the consideration of economy, that Was consistent with the dignity which constitntionallyappert3ined to the sovereign person and atithorii,y, 4111 d to the real interest and advantage of the public. .The Noble . Earl .eun eluded by . moving, ." That this Bill be now read a second -The Martinis 4 LArtsn6tutte deprecated the principle •upon which •I he Jobk seeu:ed to proceed, of e*letildting the personal expenditure Of the 'Sovereign of ibis "country by a reference to that - of the Monarch of france,'Or of an y a rbitrary Government whatever; The principle upon which. such a.caleniation should. be made, ought to he founded in the nature. aud•chatacter 9t the live calistitotion 01 this country; And more pirscfcn. hsrly with. reference - to t hat compact or bargain made het %veto the crown and the pui,lk as Olit commencement of the present reign. tie strongly, arpi ()vett of . contintring the separation ot the per .sonll expenditure of the _crown from the other branches ot the civil Government, The Noble Margnis strongly iticuleated a recurrence to the principles of economy_ in all those arrangements, told seemed .to say a compßrittive view ,01 the expenses of the. American Government - wonld be a better criterion for Shaping_ ma eivil..List by ; than t h at tainded to by , the. Noble -Earl... lle believed in former rei g ns ...the general pritc- . tice was , to liquidate the debt, of the Civil : I,;ist, by a recurrence to the Droits of .Admiralty; mode which .114 still Utung,l4, wool& be most pre. ferable, far more i) than a Series of procedures, which to a 'certain extent, showed the. crown ns coming down informa patiperia to Piirlimitent for the liquidation of its debts. With respect to the • newly constituted officer, the Auditor, he thought It was more calculated for the convenience of the ,Treasnry, than for the exercise of a eopirotil by The powers to be granted to hint were not calculated to be beneficiatto the ,Upon the whole, he could not give his entire ap probation to the present fill. .He acknowledged the necesibity Of some measure of.the kind. • • Lord HOLLAND contended ,that the prov4loos o f the Bill were at variance with the prinriples I n id down, miii still ' lnure with the statements matte by the Noble Earl. With his Noble Rela tion, he thought unfavourably of the.bene,ficiul efficacy of themew Officer, who was to receive a salary of 15001. a-year. He thought ij would be far preferable to recur to the Droits of the . Ad miralty, which he considered as a dangerous en gine in'tbe hands of the Crown,- and regarded as kind of bonus to the Crown for going to war. Sonic more general comprehensive measore than the present he thought should- be proposed, It did not contain that principle of reciprocity be tween the People and the Crown, , which he thought was re q uisite ;, the advantages seemed to him to be an the side of ,the latteri,and for the various reasons, he had stated, he certainly could not oppose the measure in its present state. The Earl of HAReoway, in _answer to what bad fallen from the Noble Baron, vi n di cate d s he con duct of his, Majesty's Governmett in framing the measure in gnestioth The Noble Lord,-he thought, mined to he guhyd more by abstract and theore tient notions, than by the result of practice antlex pevienee. With respect to the idea of the Droits of Admiralty operating as. a Bonus to the Crown to engage in war, it was one of the ;unit chimerical arguments he bad ever, heard. Certainly there never could. be found any. Minister so mad, or so profligate, as to advise the Crown- to plunge the country lot° all the calamities and expen h ees of a war, for so paltry and inadequate a considera tion. • - ' ' The Earl of Livetwoor„ who argued that the conduct of Parliameut at the conunentement , of the present reign, manifested it.; sense that tlte Dioita of Admiralty (which were then %-ety considerable) should coutitute - at the diftpourkof th e Crown. to Iht:-alluiiou tuittiq by the :Cobh% Marquis ; , Co the CliperlCCS or rile uavCr nmctic OF Lila 'l6autteu, Statei, he did not think it a very, happy one, inas much as in'point of tact, the, expences of the Civil Government in that country, combining those of the general Government with those of the Federal States, .were compiamively greater -tbau those of Great Britain. • Earl ..inosvErtott disapproved of the intended lippointment of the Auditor, whith, he said, he should duly notice in the Committee. The Bawds then read a second time, and com mitted for Monday. After disposing of the reinnining Bills upon the table, their Lordships adjourned till to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Sir S. GRAIJAM presented a Petition trom. Mary- Te-bot►c, signed by 1000 persons, composed of the vestry and proprietors of. land, against the New Street, I ili; and Atr. Aleo.istt presented Petitions from St. Anne's and St. James's parishes against the same. " . Petitions front persons. in the Leather Trade were presented front several places in the country. METROPOLIS PAVING Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, that nothing new was contemplated in this Bill, of which the object was to remedy the evils complained of within the bills of mortality, but not to meddle with turnpike roads. The intention was to. give additional powers, to prevent the evils affecting the pave ments.from the operation of the water-works and gas-light companies, to the parishes the means of augmenting fools, to pi event public tn eonveniencies, and to make it evident to all, who. are the, surveyors or other officers. He moved the second reading of" the Bill, which was , carried, and the Bill ordered to be committed to-morrow. A Bill for regulating he Duties and Rewards of Coroners was brought in, read a first time, and ()Meted io be read a second time to-morrow. The Strand4iridk . e . Amendment Bill Ava 3 read a third time. The American Convention Bill vvas brought tip by Air. F., Itot? s inson, relid first tune, uu or dered to be read second time to-morrow. Sift 'f. B. THONIPSON. CALORAYT presented a Petition from Eke les of Ro - CheSter respecting the acceptance of the place iif Tretf,surer of Greenwich Hospital by one of their Representatives, Sir T. 13. Thompson. They cons-idered it as an office of profit under the Crown,' which rendered their Member's seat void ; and they prayed for a fteli writ for that- City. • Mr. CALCRAFT moved'that the Petition. should lie on the table, intending to move the considera tion of it on Wednesday.. • . Lord CASTLYtHEAOH'Sitidi be lied no objection to its lyieg on the table._ Mr. CALCRAVT observed, that the petitioners now prayed for a 'decision, which had been, on a former occasiotri ayoicled by the previous ques tion.. Tuattav remarked,_ that the. Noble Lord seemed as : yet to trove voted, in the dark. The question, as to the nature of the mppointinent was of some importance ; 'lint the louse had passed it bi. Was this office to be coniidered merely as a professional, riiilitary',, , Or naval appointment Hon. Member alluded to sat :in the House without any decision haviin; beep, made on his partietility cosy. shotdd Egg a thstinct coo tion to decide the question. " The ,Petition was ordered' to lie on the table, and• Mr. dALCRIFT gave notice, that on Wednesday he w 1 nld Wive for a new writ' for Rochester , in consegaeilte , of the 'acceptance of the office now 141 by sir T.ll. Thompson. BAADADo.s. mr: rio"LMEtt begged to he informed by the Noble - Lard Upon the bench below, whether Go'- wernment were in possession oNkny authentic documents on the subject of an,awful event stated to have happened in the 14land of Harbadoes, in WhiFtWit ViaS 'epotted, the rivet of a great num b& cat parsons were lost, and property to e - great ex tent tl,estroyrl. Lord CAS T LEREAGH answered, that Govern erigit ' had not yet received the details of the me lestehttly event alluded to. Alp,,PALstatt .gave , notice, that on Thursday, the 13th,. he should submit to the consideration of the Louse a in<►tion on the . s;kbject of that event: FORGE'D BANK-OTES, General ToottN-ros: *moved...l6r a Select Com mittee to inquire jut() he faltqcation and ,circula tion of forged Bank-notes. Mr. MANNING could see 'no' "reason 'will; the 13auk should pay forged notes How would . any roposjtiou of Ow nature be cgri , idered by any cot mereidil house ? To pake the L;nik pay these noti:!s'ivoUid he' encouraging forget y. The Rank did all th,ey could to protect the public v and there appeated no Parliamentary ground forshe motion. General TnoaNTotl hoped some additional pre- Cautious would be adopted, and that improvements would take place in the Bank-notes. The ma. Aion was negatived. THE mAunrrws. •- . . -' Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from a per ,eon -sent Irmo the Isle of France by the Governor to N i s country, and since his . arrival- desired or permitted - to return. His . name, as we under stood, was Piro ) or Perron. He complained of ill usage and long confinement. Mr. Brougham said he had no particular knowledge- of him, and , he believed_ he might have suppressed some parti ' ,Ctlbill in ,his representation es to the conduct of the Governor ; yet the matter ell-f . eared to require ~,aotne explenation.. He wishekto learn from the ,Neblei,ord.What eireinus4ances occurred 'which justified the sending ewaniersons frhm the Island withunt bringing them' to trial. He liad'heard ..._ . that some accusations had been madeagainst Per sons for proceedings against the entbrcement of the measures adopted to destroy 'the Slart Trade. The petition was brought iip, and read. Mr. GOULBURN observed, -that' a longlleriod [ elapsed without- any official correspondence froth the Isle of France. .-The information that bad been received principally Telated - to'Other Tireinn stances. 'The-regulations 'established by Govern= meat in the Isle of France'were chiefly in utilise tvieuce of a disposition-there to carry on and en qutivage the Slave Trade, which , svas awing to its . having been a French. ,Islantl„ -A Frenclunan . eArn4.oekta. end, 41.4cLeaVALlySft x9 .., /c cite an oppo sition to the iiiitish doverhinent, :tc,tippeeced • Ital. nor took legal advice, and then thatiuht it best send two individtrals on board the King's sbti and send them here. Government had not ceived all the details. ' The attempt at install tion Was quelfed, and the chief leader bad fled l Aladagascar. M. Perron bad wished to be put a situation to take his trial. Captain Mee shon•n ,that his treatment on board ship {(ls to its, rf not what it was represented to have been. Mr. Brautio objected to the mode pursued rrspect to this individual: When he arrived Ito itap_peared that there was no ground of charges establish aity - ligtirpraCets- against him, *riche allowed to sail back agia. This mode could saver no good ptirpose whatever. These.conquel' ed Colonies were in a peculiar situation since eV acquisition of them. So in Trinidad •ceyloo, and the lonian Isles, be knew of no regular fo' vernment or constitution : nothing appeariitgi° the will of the Governors'` That should not the case ; and he hoped the (louse would _taitq l the subject early next-Session.. • Sir Samuel. ROMILLY thought it most 11041st that a British subject, as this man was since we had the island, should - be sent heroin this manner' to a country where he bad no interests, and with wleose language and laws be was unaetyniipte d : because he had been connected with some illeg"' Pmeeedings• A man might thui be torn from his interest and family, and sent here without Ole. tl i c a a r t i l t s y o is . He might certai nly,f subsistence, except what he deri ved 101 l c indeed , bring h action ; but this seemed a very grave caie. ever desirable it was to suppress the Sla ve Trades ' yet there appeared nothing to justify so violent a proceeding. Mr. I ..'oNsoNuv. said, that if this concerned in measures of insurrection, he should have been tried at the place. Some "further observations passed between Mr. Qoulburtf,' illt:Bratighatn, Sir S. 'Hominy , Abercrotuby, Mr. Brand, Mrjonsonhy and Mr. Bennett, and the Petition was ordered to lie Oil the table. !Won t6d Sir S. RostILLY gave notice of a motion for dispatches of the Gum nor of the \IUUI 0 this subject. General:TEßM/540z; adverted to the -molt' of , collecting the 'Promo , Tax iii Srutl,tl,d, hoped proper reductions would be allowed. The CHANCELLOR Of tilC EXCHEQUER explitio . ct" 11r. GXENFELL; intimated his intention to 10 04, for certain papers relative to the of airs of Bank, and in particular respecting the arraao" melt as to Stamps. The report of dip Saving Banks Bill was order' ed for to-morrow. IRISH GRAND JURY PRESENTMENTS. Mr. COOPER, after a few preliminary.observa• Lions, in the course of which be commented OP° ll the Report , whicb Committee had - drawn 111) ( " t :this subject, moved . for leave to bring in a Bill t ° consolidate,, amend, and reduce into one, all the Acts relative to the mode of raising money alit grand jury presentments in (eland, He stated 'l' to be his intention not to press the BiU during d ' a present SesSion. A lung I conversation ensned, in the cours e of which . Sir S. NewpOrt, Mr.onsonby, Mr. Abe." eioniby, and Sir H. Parnell, urged the n ecessl c c of a lid!, " 11 even in the present Session, whichtt„. place the tax levied bythese assessments under Pi ry per coutront. Nothing could be more benefte"" to the people of Ireland. On these grounds Sir P*7 nell moved, that the words " consolidating , " 89 " redticing into one," be left out of- the mot's"' for the purpoat of leaving Only the word 'bfr. Vasty FITZOBRALD coincided as to the ad : lity of some immediate measure, but was .o o n sc " ,, I ' . l ling to take the subject out of the hands f lion. Friend (Mr. Cooper). Mr. PEEL proposed that two Bills shoul d be i • 13t1 t h e other in, the one for , consolidating, 1 tile o f other fur amending, so as to give th e powe r - 4 immediate controul. The latter Bill might I d r e . this Session; and the former be postponed to t " next. The SPEAKER submitted, that-in point of fol two Bills could not concurrently pass through l '_%, House, both professing the same objects, th oo g" to greater extent in the one than the other; b e h ' sides, the consolidating Act could not include tc one that was contemporaneous with it. After some farther conversation, in which Si' G. Hill and Mr. Barnard took a part, Sir nell's Amendment was carried, and Mr. V. Fitzgerald consented to bring in a Bill with tl' e title thus altered. Lord Mitiror presented a Petition from certgi' ) Cloth- workers in Yorkshire, complaining of tit hardships tinder which they labour e d f r om the , treduction of machinery, _and praying for the r' inoval or the laws preventing their etnigrat i i The Noble Lord remarked, th a t he Was o ,° o aware of the existence of any such Jaws. Petition was - read, and ordered 40 • lie Ott table. The Iris% Bank Restriction Bill, and the F a " ter Colouring Bill, were read, a third time) an passed. IRISH CATHOLICS. le • t o t Sir 11. PMINELL thought it his duty not • the Sestion pass away ? wi t ho ut ca Li n g the et ttl; tion of -the House to the petitions before the • from the Catholics o f Ireland. These petition, he believed to express the sense of nine tclithi the population of Ireland. That which t l 4 , complained of, was exc l us i on f rom the Cons t l: tion, a grievance whi c h m i g h t w ell justifY plaint, and entitle the petitioners to a P I T 7 00 , hearing.. He would not now call for the deeT ti l . c i t of the House on- that great question 011 b l ett their sense had been so recently e spresscd) it was.brought forward by his Right Hon. Fr' e L' s ; the hlember for Dublin (Mr. GrHttan), but 1 4 " as HaXimsto impress upon the House, that ci!pwAr• his intention to do so to, the next Session i o „ . fig ht liatrient. That the subjvct might not he under considerailOn so late as it had latter year after year, lie now desired to make it ka r ()W st thatlie should feel it his duty to attend tite ll° ti a in - the first week of the ensiling Session, v v u e ‘ ' 0 , 6 should give notice of a motion for ft Call " 0 ,, House on an early day, for the piiipose or ` of soring a full 'attendance on tite disciosiott the Cstholic Claims. Lie be e lged• to,stlles