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PA R. IA- M ENT. HOUSE OV I.OIIDS, Dec. 15. The Earl Of THANET presented a Petition from 'the Corporat 'i' on of the City (.t Rochester against the new measures now pending. The petition being read, was ordered to lie ou the t a ble. Itie Doke of DEvoNsninc presented a petition horn an individual, Mr. Thotna,t Flanagan, .com phioing of certain injurious practices with respect to the "folii and other Imposts in the Town of Sligo, and praying relief.—Ottlered to lie on the table. Their Lordships, in a Commimee, went through tlie :Walt and Pensions Duty fil, which was re rirt ed xlithout any amendmenl.—Adjourned till to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr B. WILBRAHAM presented w petition from a \lr. IV. Salishnty, s Gentleman %situ had devoted nut , It sit his time to 4i Ming bent ficioi employment fot the 'Parish Poor. This pliin had been snceess toliy acted *llion. in several Parishes, and the poor in various plares Were now employed io 111 , 41/11.• articles front fhtx, and erovving that I,l3tit. The petitioner did not pray for any i•ecii ni.iry grant, 1101 CoOCri%iitg bill)SCit to itaVe SOC tCtlltti in the oi,ieet Le had in ‘ietv, I.e cAUcti Upon the House to institute an ictinity it,to i!s novrits. peti ion WRS ibvn read. Jr set forth the ipporta t o of c nip:flying the palish vor, and riayrn thit the petitioner mi g ht be allo , .vcd an of pm% in t .', t»ei its of his discovery. iVir. li. WILBIiAtiAM moved, that the petition thimid be eft' t rt.() (0 a CoMillit tee. Lord F. ()saokNE inquired of a Bight Honour able Gentleman opposite (Mr. S. Bourne), if it were intended to revive the Committee on die Poor Laws ?Ir. S. lloulizis replied to the question, but was inaudible in the gallery. • Mr. Aldeintan Woon knew that the plan of the utuitiotter had been adopted with success in one of the Houses of Correction in the City Of Lontjon. As far as the expetiments had gone they met with the approbation of the Magistrates. The ques tion arising on this petition would, he thought, be comprehended in !he motion to be brought forward t 11101 Vow by floootirahle Baronet Sir W. De Crespigny). Ile would therefore submit it to the consideration of the Honourable Gentleman, whether it would not be as well to let this motion stand over till that of the Honottriable Baronet's had been decided, in order to avoid buttleuing the House with too many Committees. Mr. B. WI I.I3PAH AM had 110 pap ICOAr ohj e e_ lion to act on the suggestion ot the worthy Alder- Twin,' hut the ~bject of the two motions being dilierent, he thorrght it might be as -Avell to move for the nominal appointment of a Commit tee, Avid; an understanding that it should not sit till afier the recess. Sir W. Da CRKSPIGNY said, be should be ex tremely desirous of supporting any plan of ibis kiwi, as the experiments which bad been made had proved cry successful, and would, it carried tua great extent, - be most beneficial to the coun!ry. His motion, however, went on a larger pl,n, and would call the attention of the lionse to the advantages that might be expected to result from encouraging spade husbandry. A desultory conversation followed, in which Mellislr, Mr. S. Bourne, Lord F. 03bOrlle, Mr. Huskisson, Sir IV. De Crespigny, Smith, Mr. B. Wilbraham, Mr. Alderman \Vona, Sir C. Burrell, Mr: Lyttleton, and Mr. Wilber force, participated after which the raotio» for reitt ring the Petition to a Committee was with dratsn, and it was ordered to lie on the table. PENRYN. Sir C. BURRELL said, it was the opinion of some of his friends, that the bringing up of the Re port of the Peoryn Bribery Prevention Bill would be-better postponed till it could he known what course was taken with the Borough of Gran t . pound. lie complied with their wishes with pleasure, and would accordingly move, that the bringing up of the Report should be postponed till Friday, when, if necessary, he could move that it should be further postponed. Sir C. AloNcF. inquired if the lion. Baronet load considered the possibility of giving the elec the franchise to the adjoining Muth - ed. Sir C. BURRELL thought that course would' be inconvenient. If adopted the voters would not thank the [louse for it, as it would give them a m i nor benefit, while it took from them a major. it would take (rpm them a vote for a County :Member, and give them in i:s stead a vote for a 13orough. lie" was proceeding to point, out the view which might be expected to be taken of Ibis change, ‘vlieti The SPRAItiER in:erfrred by reMalking that such a line of argument could not conveniently be pla sm-it, where an Order of the D.iy was Moved tnere iy for time purpoie of p6s , pouing it. 'The Report was pos , pou,d tilt F r id a y. COTTON FACTOP6IE!: AMENDMENT BILL. Sir Il..l ) BELii moved the third reading of the Cott►►►► F.ictoriv* A wendmeut Mr. [iv:-is objected to tl►e principle , of legis lating between masters and workmen, but said, Le woul►l not op use the present bill, on account of what had passed in the la3t Ses>ion. 'hie bill was then read a third timesand pas~e►i, 111 r. C. WYN.NE gave notice, that he would wove fnr leave in bring in a bill to amend the 42d Geo. Irish Elea ions. Mr. LIiSLIE FosTee postponed big motion 00 the Education of the Poor in Ireland. INSOLVENT DEBTORS. Lord ALTHORP began by explaining the Me. rences between the bill which lie proposed now to bring in, and the bill which , he had brought in upon this subject last year. The. great pt inciple in both bills was the examination of the debts be fore ihe subject should be brought into court, and the compulsion upon debtors to take the be urfl«)l the law. lie retained those parts, hut he would not now- contend for the sale of all I he• in s,Aveut's property. lie had left town when the net was renewed last year, otherwise he .should ye opposed the renewal, because the present laws made it totally impossible to satisfy the coon try, Lowtver good the intentions of commissioners might be. his Majesty's Ministers had sillet: ts ni not only the commissioner trot all the cletki. This had been most properly done. The effect was every thing that could be wislitd. The new commissioner had acquitted himself so that persons in trade obtai,ned every thing they could wish for. But unless the law were altered in such a manner as he had proposed last sessioa, it was totally impossible for the commissioner to give full satisfaction. But he would save the expense now by continuing the commissioner as now ap pointed. In order to make the previons examina tion sufficient, it would be necessary that the ex aminers should not be private, but appointed by the commissioner. Ohiectiolts bad been made last year against the giving power to assignees to sell real property. He was satisfied that that power ought to be admitted ; but as he could flot bring it into practice, he proposed that real property s'ionld be sequestered, and the profits applitd to the payment of rise debts. He threw hitnsel(upoo the indulgence of the House, as he had - brought this for ward without mock preparation, wishing, as Le did, that the Bill should be brought in before the recess ; first, in taper to give time fur considering it ; and next, because the act which the Bill•was to sup• ply would expire in a short time. What he con ceived absolutely necessary was that a previous examination should take place, and that credi tors should have the power of counselling debtors to take advantage of the Act. Unless those two points should be secured, it was needless to Pass the Ii il._ • Leave was granted to bring in the Bill, and Lord A LT1101:P and Mr. G. LAMB WCI e appoint ed to prepare it. BOOKSELLERS' PETITION. 111 r. 1. SMITH said, that he held in I►is hand 3 Petition how a most respeeteble class of per sons. It was a Petition upon a eubiect of the greatest intlmulanee, and to which he entreated the parti cular attention of the Iloese. It was a Petition against the proposed enactment, that persons convicted a second time of a blasphemous or sedi : tious libel might be banished for seven years. As many respectable persons were engaged in the (tade of hookselling, as they were, many of them, persons of large capital, of good education, and of habits which qualified them tor the best society in the country, they wete in the greatest distress at the proposed .enectment. What rendered it so extremely important to them was the great uncertainty of what constituted libel. There was scarcely a word so undefined es libel. The Petitioners complained, and as he thought with justice, that a punishment was now to be applied to literary offences, which had hitherto beets re served for cases of felony, anti for atrocious crimes. They urged that the fear of such a punishment russet necessarily prevent the flee exercise of those talents in whirls their own interests were imme diately involved. Amongst the names which were subscribed to this petition would be found those ()I persons of the filet eminence in their business —pt rsons who had embatked a capital of hue. tired* of thousauds its their trade. But they telt that the profits of their trade were rendered inse cure by a measure of this description; and many whose Signatures were attached to this petition would, he donbted e uot, ahendon their trshress, if the treasures Here carried into effect. Ile trusted, therefore, that the 'Noble Lord would devise souse 4)ther plan for pllllllg an end to the evil of that propagat;on Of blasphemy and sedi lino with which we had been visited, and which the Petitioners most readily admitted called for some effectual remedy. It would add to the che ractrr of the Noble Lord to inteoduce.some vision, that 'borsht put it out of the power of a worthies, apPtentice, or a dishonest agent, to bring his.employer into 4enger. Mr. Buttner, merely rose, to state, that he con sidered the literature, the ft cesium, and security Of thiscomstrv e to be iliseparably connected. He could himself hear testimony to the wealth and intelligence of that class of persons who were now petitioeieg the house. Their prayer certainly deserved the inmost consideration, and it was but A common debt to their loyalty Stud character to listen to their remonstrances on t his subject. The petition was then brought up, read, and oedered to lie upon the table, Lord CAiTIvEIIEAGEI tvi•bett to apprise the House, that, he intended to propose souse al terations in the Committee upon this Bill, which would pet haps meet the views of the petitioners, whose respectability he most williugly acknow ledg.ed. One of these alterations respected the penal part of the enactment, and he was happy to state, that he did not see any necessity of press ing the liability to transportation.--(hear, hear !) —lt appeared to him, upon a full review of all the commuoications which had been made to him upein the subject, that simple baniehment would he an adeqoate penalty in those cases of teeasonable and blasphemous libel of which an' individual might be a. second time convicted. It ,had certainly been represented to him, that the peeishment of tratesportatiou bed hitherto been peculiarly confined to felonious offences ; and he believed that the morel, the religious, stud politi cal inteeests of the - country, might be protected without going to that exteat. He proposed, therefore, thet transportation should be reserved for cases of a return from banishment, and it would thus be substituted for the penalty of deeth. Mr. M. A. Teeteoe thought that the omission of the penalty of transportation qualified to a coosidetabie degree the mischief of the Bill in question but unless the law as it stow stM)4l, was proved to be insofficient to punish either blasphe mous or seditious libels, he net.t in the first its stance protest 'against the inttothietion of a new species of punishment. It was incumbent on the Noble Lott! to show a pressing necessity befote the Bill could receive the general. approbation iaf the country. if the Noble Lot d bed brought forward his other measures in a similar tone of miidness and eflowenee, he would have met with much less opposition frosts that videof the House. But he tineted that Hots. Ne em b ese %%weld rt. irlite that a strong necessity should be shown for measures which went iu the short period: of three weeks to effect an entire change in the Con stitution of the country. Luid CASTLKHEAGH, in explanation, said, he did not mean to preclude the tlyguttient which ‘vould untloub!edly stim upon a future stage of tl►e question-by any statement that he had Ilion& it due to the House to 01 ke, but si►uply to ap prise it of tl►e marked difference which the pro posed alterations would iniroilitee. STAMP DUTIES BILL. Lord CASTLEREAGH rose to move the second reading of .this bill, and observed, that in so do: ing, he might satisfy the object of thellight Gentleman opposite (Mr. 'Tierney), as welt as his own, and the general convenience of the Howie. The bill might then be committed to-morrow and reprinted, so. as trr be in the hands of Members on Friday next. On the question of the third reading the general principle of the bill might be discussed, and he apprehended that this course of pro ceeding would be Mount} the most advisable which could under the present circumstances be adopted. The alterations which it was in contemplation to propose he would now endea vour shortly to explain. The first branch of the measure was that which rendered it applicable to all publications sold tinder a certain price and treating of political matters. 11 , wre were two classes of works which lie did nut think it neces sary to include in this desetipt : - n t the or•e con sisted of occasional pnhlications of a focal nature, (pi involving only local interests ; the other re spected periodical %yolks, pnblist►ed .►t intervals considerably distant front each other, and which were of considerable importance, both as 'they related to the diffusion of know I,dge nod tl►e sop- - port of religion and morality. It did not appear to him that it would be proper to saddle such publications with the new dwv of four-pence upon each separate number. The House won't! teaahly see that the great object of this measure was to apply only to works which were the channels of mischief, acid the means by which sedi:ton and blasphymy were propagated through the country. It t‘ as intended, t het t fore, to confine its pro►i►iuns to periodical works published in succession within the term of 26 days, so as in tact to exempt all monthly and other publications not coming forth within ti►at time. Still, in order to guard against the means of-obvious invasions, it might be heees- SA 1 y that the period of publication should be re• ►loiter} to be unitorm, and that the application of stamp-duties to all works conveying intelligence should tint -be avoided. The second blanch of this bill referred to the subject of securities to be given by persons publishing facts or intelligence of a particular kiwi. It was not intended to press inconveniently on newspapers, the prin cipal end its view being to put a tesponsinility on a:I persons who sent forth works of a par ticular description to the public. lie certainly unirt adhere to the principle of rtquiring se entity trout the publishers of all papers or pam phlets of less than two sheets, and sold under the price of 6d., and issued within the period to which he had alluded. At the EM111..! •Ine, he wished it to be understood, that the iiew Stamp Dot ies should only be co•extensive periodical publications. The security required as the Bill .olr as now framed was 5001. generally from the printer ; it being at his discretion to produce it him-elf or obtain it from 3or 4 other persons. it had been stated to him this sum was too large, and . might be tuoie easily raised or answered for hi sonic places than in whets. The times, however, in %%inch we Irene, seethed to him io require, that persons exercising the po‘xer of the press should be men of some respectability and property. Bat as it was repre•ented that this snot of LOW. might press too heavily on persons of a moderate capital, or in distant places, he would ! no r m, t o reduce the sum to 3001. in Lottdon and its vicinity, and it; 2001. in the provincial towns. lie was aware that irmight be urged that•thete were pet sons not possessed of any Capital , who wire sill anxious to addiess Hie public on political got:stittos. Cat , es of iatlivid,txl hardship might certart,:y alise ; but at a tithe like the present, it appeared it, him sue. cessary that Ilse law should he m=utts effectual for its purpose. Arguments might certai n ly be r,,ied as to the infittence of pamphlel - writiug upon the moral's ind interests of the communi-y.. Into that argument he would , not now diserge. • It affected euthrly the general principle; and all that Ise now meant was to give a gent-eral desctip oust at the amendments or modifications which he was ready to support. _ _ Mr.TIRR4EY declared that he felt much obliged to the Noble Lord for the explanation which he had just given. Without abandoning his objee - - tious to the principle of this measure, be was willing to close with the Noble Lord's proposi tion as to arrangement. His oily doubt was, whether the bill ..s rept inted, might not be in the bands of Members before Friday, and whether it might not pass through the Committee that night, Mr. BROUGHAM wished that the ground upon which he assented to the second reading should be distinctly understood : the explanations whicli bad been given did not at all remove his general objection to the measure but he certainly could perceive no ,advintage which could be delived from discussing it until it was printed %vitt) its new alteralions. After all that hail been sdid, be still remained of opinion that the introduction of a new punishment into our law was the most dan gerous innovation which had been attempted in his time. To another piinciple lie must also de cidedly object. It was that which held forth that the possession of a certain fortune was necessary before any 61011 should discuss puli:ical questions through the press. The Bill was then read a second time, and or dered to be committed to-niummv. Lord CASTLERKAGIi then observed, that with respect to the Bill relative to blasphemous and seditious libels, he was willing to postpone the second reading to Monday next. Tice unite for the second leading was read, and postponed to Monday accordingly. IsIISDEMEANOURS BILL Lord CASTLFREAGII, refoliog to tie Order I): the Day lot the seCond reading of the Bill regard. Mg the right of traYersi.iig on indicfnients or In formations for atisdemeationrs, stilted, that it no oftire , ton was entertained, be should propose that it .hi now read a second time. obsoved, that it must be wilhin the recollectioa of the House, that in his former allusions 0) this measure, he loot spoken in ig norance of its provil•ions. As he was now info, to ed upon that point, he felt his objcet ion removed. A Noble Friend of his 'gni, in another place, effected an alteration which w 0,114 be frO e. beneficial to the interests of society than ail ely actment for a long period. The p,,wer of prose' crating mr the part Of the crown WAS rat length d e : fined and linitecl. He made these remarks with the'more satisfaction, becanse the Noble Lord to whom he had alluded (Lord Holland) was a Wh'g of the first distinctionlear, and a langlo Mr. BuoyGuAss professed himself to be also de' sirous of acknowledging the merits of the lgobl S Lord to whom allusion had been made, and IA telt it to be the mote necessary on this occasion' because the credit of those modifications which the 13111 had undergoire. bad been, he would nal say taken by, but given to, another Noble Lord , who crrtainly kad never shown himself an advo* cate for Whiggish principles; and it might 0 16 ' / be rrtnatked, that a similar provision had bee" submitted by his Noble Friend (Lord Holland) five years ago, and rejected by the other House.'" (llcar, hear !) Lord CASTLPREAGII said, he was glad that the intuits of the Bill were acknowledged ; whether they were to, be a4ctibed to one Noble Lord of sow her. he tt ould not then inquire. The Frill was then read a second time, and 0 6 tiered to be committed to-inoILOW. SEIZURE OE ARMS BILL. 1.0141 CASTLE; r.AG 11 Int) %C(I, that the report . 01 this Bill be then received. On the question' that the Report be read, Mr. Pnwi.rtT zuggested the exemption fret?' the operation of the 8:11of a dart of alfhatn (I western pat t, we btlieve.) .1 Lord CJ STLREEttGH ObjeCted to the propose ( ' exemption. However ioconvenient the operatio n) of the Bill might he loop,' i n smi t e pk eet 4, yet i t would be impossible for the Mouse to go into that minute detail to ascer tain the particular line beyoud which the 841 might be required. In opinion sorb precautionary MeaSntes as the pri ; sent should not only be evended over the diseae" parts of the country, but also in sot) I: 105falICC I somol parts which were contiguous I(' those diseased, in order to prevent the diseas e from spreading. Alter a few word's in explanation fowl) M r. I'OWLETT, which wete not andthle in the Gal' lery, Mr. LAMBTON disclaimed, on 1174 part of bi l constituents, the (Minot which the application l this Bill would be likely to cast on them. g e moved, as an Amendment, that the Report of 1 14 Bill be rend that day six months.—Upon this the louse divided, when there appeared Fur tilt A totti uiiifrt Agaitist it . 94 Majority On our return to the Galle-ry, we found Ol d , SPEAKER putting the question that the Bin be ren d a tiiiid time to-morrow, which, was carried in th e affirmative. Mr. lioaanTs gave tiritiee of a'motion for ti's, '23L instant, tesitecting the production of copies ( /' Petitions of Merchattis and others on tit, s ,,biecg tit . the Trade to In4l4.—Adiourned at Half•ptts t Six. LAW INFELLICiENCE. COURT OF KING'S BENCH, DEC. IS. tiMbrINCIToN V. THom rso re. in this ease the plaintiff sought a compensation in damages, llt)der the following eirenrostances: -. " The detentlants, Henry and Douglas Thompsnot who are brewers, at Chiswick, were tenants LW" tier the Duchy of Lancaster of the public•how e called the Rine Anchot, on the Savoy-hill, on lire south of the Strand, frontiirg E,lettr 'Change' These nrenii•es ilivy let to the plaintiff, Mr. Rein' eningtoo, on a lease of upwat (IS of thirty-four year': a;.B yearly rent of 601 and a sum of 'OM fine, an d by one of the clauses of ;liis leise 11;e tiefenibto ft consented tit make the pliiiatiff a compensation the event of his being dispossessed by the D.cq within the period of rive years. , The plainnif within this inter val dispossessed by the Duchy,i ol pot to very great inconvenience, and the d n e fe“ ,. . nets having declined to indemnity hint for his 101 ' he bad let:ow - se to law fur redie,S. Mr. Sii‘iii‘" the architect employed by the Duchy, M r . 114 1 ' per, the Secretary, rimi Jl r. maids, were ca llea' and proved the plaintiff's case. The Jury, without hesitation, found a verdic g los the plaintiff—Dini4gcs SOOL. SUICIDE..—On Tuesday warning' last, at li f ic house of Mr. Hyle, grocer, Durham, Mr. 1 ", Luzinoore, a gentleman from the neighbourho o of Sidejds, pill a period to his existence, by viding the attcilea of his left arm by tue;ins of I ' razor. It appears the deceased bad occasionAl l Y lodged at Mr. Ily k}nd on the evening, preeed' iog the commOision of this rash act ; had deefilf faint - wed his misfortunes, anti expressed a wi' lf that I,e cw.ld go to heaven from all his troubles:, He had procured the razor under pretence e" shaving himself. On the same day, a Coroner'. ingoe.t wa.s tre-ld «111 the alter an it Itastiption of upwards of five hvors, the 31 1 tett!? w-d %eutitet Feb() tie consetiden e ; of which the untoriooate man teas buried On (j- Sands, near Durham, at 12 'o'citlck. on Saturde evcning. From a letter he leis his bedchalW her, addressed to Mrs. livte,, it is believed . I" 1 the death of the deceased hart some constexiola with ihe recent bottling of Iris Irmise at vv e ooer as the naive in which the roperte Was instil - e a ' 114(1 expressed an opinion that the lire was Occe cloned oy incendiaries.— (Tytie. Mercury, Deer e ber 14.) NIARRIF,D. • ker . At l'icl;cring, Scotland, J. N4...11.0150rt. ycoman of P '„, c „ , Nlas•lic,.., Att.*. a s 4 riui of %tars" coortslip, to his lw o e f Nil, E. Wikon. the baidcgruom bring upwaidi Oo %eat s ut a i 4e, and 11,4 bitde —.O 13 / RTI-1. • Wednesday, the 15th inst., at Higlll>ury-grO"P Daniel Rainier, of 3. daughtte. 1)1L3). te , On Montlily afternoon, at Louse, in Crisparstr spit-31;1(.10s, (;I,lllvitt Ileaditqfou, (to the I:itit inst., LiLitavti Burton, of are f Li)NI)2)N: Printed ley.l. c. , .T.Ants, of Ne• iv. ; 1 . : t 2 2 ,1 pnlilished tiv :;•.• `.(;2IIITS, of No. 7, South Aloltnn-snett, at 04iice, No. 122. Strand ; wtivr, Adrtnti;L-tnentor - L,ttvrs, Occ. alma br wigressoi. t - on ed to fir s ' au; 11 4 , St; Rut, lbe, I d a icd us, the the t PlOll 1)0,, ‘Tt.n 'Co of Wl l i tsthi bea f~~ir 'Vitt] 11 4 e( i lk h is I.lie i n