The Sun. — London, England, 1819-04-27 00:00:00

FOR 1 FIE SUN. MR. EDITOR—The inclosed has been transmit ted to me by a friend and fellow-advocate in the Cause you so nobly support —the Freedoin of Bri tain. It is an explanation and vindication of the sentiments avowed by SYDNEY in The Bath He rald of the inst., and to whirl) an illiberal and irrelevant answer was returned under the sig- , DEVltre Of [II dRIINO. A NGLICUS. It s,irely would have been a stronger indication of the B Ali Edi tor's impattiality, and would have more fully prov, d hi, at; achment to the Estabhshment,which, if he be (as I am informed he is) a member of a loyal Corporation, he loss sworn to suprort, bad be inserted SYDNEY'S Replication. This, however, it apdears was refused (pun two groonds, on.. of which is frivolous, and the other, I am 11;! . onut d,, is not founded upon fact. 1 trust, !g l': E.!itor, that it is 1101 trespassiug too much upon yout itolul;;ettee to request, that through the 1-y d Columns /41 SUN the ternpet ate and tin tinoverahle Defence apd I{e-ply of Sy DN 14, y way !I WO the eve of iitaLarto-ANGLIcus, told of his ultra liberal ALBERT. " ON TITF, nomAN CX7TI"LIC (ZrE'TION. 4' Mt:. EDIT , ,—Not a 6 ar t viitt4 nr tnr the pfhlti,tilit!) t,r R0,11.1i1 CA' to I'olitte,4l poorer in ih.s-Pi.neNtatit Country has been adtit.ced by llinerno Anelieuc, in what hr is pleased to r;,11 truly' to Sydney's Leiter, in The herald !lit 3tl inst. " The truths hr cannot controvert he pasSes 57th siLntio, ant) declares bis intention to desist trout the defence of a cause in which lie is evi detoly unable to proceed. " liiberno-Anglicas seems to toro, that him self is d e eply guilty of that v,ry illiberality of which he falsely a ruses Srluev,—neonely, ca lntnnv, when he calumniates' ~ s.vu Noblemen and a lii.hop ' for expressing sentiments adverse to HIS ()PINION of what is right.' by ce-illOig them DUPES ty then own PUS! LLANI tlerllo-AtigliCUS should. at least, have been consistent in his Reply; and nu'''. reduced himself to the bring rey g,i:ty of th,it whit It 1)c charges upon his - " Sydney avows himself an advocate for the most extensive RELIGIons LtENhTY, and the oni versal en;oytnent of POLITICAL PRIVILEGES, in all ea- s where the concession of such p r i v il ege 3 Would be ee,mpatible with the Protestant security and freedom ot this Nation—btu he denies that the cent essi-ns now demanded by the Catholics he so, , ber;:,se they lv otild pave the way to a C,lthr,ir: .-I , cendant y.—beeaittie, tinder a Catholic ANcenclancy, ttligions . Liberty has de clined, and PoPtivit has never been found to ad. Vance, but always to endeavour to injure the ii,- tcrests of PROTESTANTINM,— , II , I- hceaose the tocip!es which tr(rwer days are still the iv.), hanged pri74cioßs of • Pupery at this moment, ,nd thereto!! Inns( lnrv .i - ably tuilowed ny %,itruikr con.seipientes. H er ., ! W spliw y rest! , his pritucivalobj,ction to Participation in It is not w hat loyalty „n;1 heel) shewn wherever ii uy have been trusted,' under a Pro testant A',CENDANCY,----but, what proofs rut Zval and artach , nely Fri - lists have affor , ed to p r ot es t_ nor principles and Protestant Princes, when pos sessed either or an Ascendancy, or ot physic-11 fotre segicirmi to attempt tneir annihilation. 'tue page ok . anthentic Ilusinty atior,us us none Toese principles are ilisavowed—by whom Only by a bony ot individuals, supported neither by the heads of the Cal 'Joh, entir.:n, nor by- the only author ity which call effectually declare them twit and void. It Sydney he in error on this point, and 11i berno_Arlglicns can cute any competent authority of the Rotnish Church repeating t iose barbarous decrees of the Councils and of Popes, which other wise (tho , ,gii 11..1(1 lint as musty records) are the standards ti the present Riwrish Principles, and are now in vit trial toree a4atost tlfe heresy' of Pro testantism' (the BANS AN!) DISHASE 0F THIS tiS it i• termed in the Rhemish -Bible* just republished, tinder high authority , i,i - the Ronsish Church), Sidney will then allow. that dangers may not he apprehended (tom the admission of the Catiiolie Claims. " A long list of the names of the greatest men in worth, in knowledge, talents, and station, wh o have adorned the annals of thiS Empire, might be adduced, whose opinions support the senti ments of Sydney,—hut a question so important would be perhaps better di•eussed upon its sim ple merits, and the arguments elicited he drawn front facts, rather than opinions, however illus. Itions thosc. men. who have entertained theta. Sidney despises" NOT names or opinion.s, but hr repeats that they ought not to be suffered to weigh against authorities and facts. '' Sydney defends not any of the tumultuous con duct of tht.• ORANGE LODGES—he heartily depre cates any attempts:" by whatever party, to tyran uise over or persecute others for their opinions. The Dublin Orange Societies were instituted shoot '2O years ago, at a time when the rebellious Irish, associated under the title of " UNITED IRISHMEN," cart ied their seditious proceedings to such excesses, that it was deemed expedient by the Protestants to unite in self-defence, and (as they openly declared at the time) their only ob jects were '' the maintenance of social order and the protection of the tires and property of all his Mairsty's loyal subjects from the spirit of anarchy and outrage which threatened them." These ob jects Sydney avows deserving of " encomium" and &fence—hut not those objects imputed to Orange Societies by Hiberno-Anglicus. It is not LIBERTY, but PRIVILEGE, the Catho lics seek. ,To the former they have, in common with all, a right, and they are not deprived of it. But Ptivilege is to be bestowed on those alone, 1 See Note on John aiv. 28. who would brit use the power it eon veyd agaiugi the safety of the community. " Hikroo-Auglictis confounds the true nature of the question, and adop's a false principle for the foundation of his cwinions. lle asserts th3r the Catholics are " harassed " and " petsec;nted," as it exclusion from power and religious persecution Were convertible terms : they are totally different. Exclusion is entirely negative and delensive,in its operation. It only declares that those who hold certain dangerous opinions shall not fill certain situations. 'Persecution compels the adoption of a presciihed faith (a principal feature of Popery) under penalty of the loss of librrty, property, or life. TOLERATION, with EXCLUSION from power, interferes not with any civil or religious Liberty. PERSPCUTION proceeds from a bigotted and san guinary spirit of INTOLERANCE. It is therefore clearly a misrepresentation to assert, t h at six mil lions of Catholics are " harassed" or "perse cuted," he-anse, by the existing Laws of England, a eom p,,e;irive few troni the higher classes are restntioed from the exercise of POLITICAL POwIER. 1 1 k beneath the dignity of this important sub ject to Mold :4 e in illiberal epithets, or in trifling and rersouel criticism. In this respect Sydney declines to fullo,v the example ot Ilibrruu- An„licns. conscious that such .ptomotes not the calisr or either, and only ten,la to veil the real merits of the question front candid scrutiny. " Bash, April 1 71 181 9. SYDNEY." FOR 'VIE sUN. POPERY. It is a proud consbleratlon to me, that the artities which bear my signature have at tracted the notice and received the approval of the Irish Protestants. • From many of these, my respectable brethren—they will understand the force of that term—and fellow-countrymen, com munications have reached me through the worthy Editor of THE SUN, whereof I have av4iled and still hope to avail myself. Among my faithful co-operators, not a few are well acquainted wilt ate, though knowing me not under my nom de guerre, and I gladly recognize the expression of principles, wherein I have often fraternally joined. The local information of these unshaken friends additionally enables me to state, whatin Ireland we are well aware of, but is little known in Eng land—that the Protestant Petitioners in favour of Popery are generally men of the lowest class, both in rank and intellect and that " whoever of the better sort have been prevailed on to sub scribe"—the friend whose words I use will re cognize this acknowledgment of his commtutica• tious—have been generally intimidated by the menaced danger of lo4ing their business, their propery, and perhaps their Ltves. Englishmen will. sear cely comprehend the possibility of these outrageous means oi procuring subscriptions who am too well a cquainted with Irish .Po pery, know that they ate not only passible but actual. The Papists of Ireland will deny this tact : they cannot disprove it. Two observations have been suerrested to me by a valuable Correspondent. While entirely admittiog their truth, I must not take upon my self the ct edit of their origin. He says, that the REGlitiT cannot consent, in the name and on the behalf of the King," to a measure notorionsly against the King's priociples.—l ern confident that neither House will suffer the measure of Pop:sh Establishment to go tar enough for rreat log the ri,cessity of his Royal Highness's refusal ; arid, if they did, I am equally confident that He would no more consent to it than would his ye uet able Frit er I have about as much fear of the Papists as I hitve of the Tartars. My friend's second observa:ion is very impor tant :—" The consent of ti;e Crown should be first brought down to both Houses of Parliament before any alteration can rake place iii those principles which inttocinced the Accession of the. Brunswick Fatnily."—Tbe observer inn speaks for itself—it requires not my continent. This only let me add, that such tt, consent will never be given. VIGIL. MEETING of the CLERGY at WAKEFIELD. On Wednesday lost a very numerous and re spectable Meeting of the Clergy within the Arch deaconry of York, was held in the large room . a t the White Hart Inn, Wakefield, to take in!-o:COn sideration the propriety of petitioning both Houses of Parliament against the Claim. of the Roman Catholics. Soon after eleven, the Chair was taken by the ARCHDEACON, who briefly stated the object of the meeting, which he had called, in consequence of requisition, signed by 115 of the clergy. A Petition was then read, anti after a long and excellent speech front the Rev. T. COTTERILL, Minister of St. Paul's, Sheffield, and late Fellow of St. Joble3 College, Cambridge, point ing out the danger of farther concessions to Popery, unanimously ag►eed to ; and in consequence of the shortness of time between the meeting and the day appointed to consider the subject in Par liament, it was determined to confine the signa tures to the Clergy assembled on this occasion. Several Resolutions were deco put and car ried. We are extremely sorry that any circumstances should have tendered it necessary to adopt the petition as that of the meeting alone ; as malty of the clergy, who, from various causes, were pre vented from tieing present, and expected that the usual mode would be pursued of sending the petition to the large towns of the Archdea conry, are thus precluded front joining with their brethren in the furtherance of a measure so closely connected with the preservation of our civil and religious privilegi,s, and the best in terests-of our Constitution in Church and State.— (Leeds Intelligencer, April 26 ) POR THE SUN*. ON THE CATHOLIC QUEIiTION. Ma. EDITOR-.^.1 feel impelled to resume my pen, though scarcely able to guide it. I was tone surprised to observe hi your journal of Sa turday that a Gittlentran, who . se..rernatks.do ho- nour to his heart and understanding[alll as: to his professional skill, should uncondition ally concede, that the Roman Catholic is the Pa rent Church ; that it is so, wholly, spiritually, HIV! essentially, I must beg leave positively to deny ; that it is so partly, and as to the letter of the law, I ant wiiling to concede ; yer it must be re ! collected, that the ten es of the Protestants are perfectly consonant with the doctrines, &C. de livered by our Lord and li;s Apostles ; while those of the Roman Catholics are widely diffe rent, not only in point of doctrines, but also with regard to the number and nature of the Sa craments, &c. Henri-, it necessarily follows, that tie Protestant is spiritually and essentially the True Parent Chinch ; and that the Roman Ca tholic is only a collateral and corrupt branch ; what sort of fruit it has produced, and does still produce, I leave to your Readers to hirer. Nor sines it, Mr. Editor, invalidate our conclusion, that the latter was so s!yled by designing Pon tiffs, sanctioned by weak Monarchs, and legalized l l by• their Parliaments for centuries ; since ilei her the one nor the other constitutes it spiritually and essentially such, but only the identity and purity of its Tenets. It health permit, you will hear from me bily, until the Catholic Question shall occupy the at tention of l'Arlisment. Being unable to add more, I beg to sub*cribe myself, Ycur's, &c. A BIIITON. FOR THE SUN. MR. EDITOR—A.IIOW an old Reader of your Tabiabie Paper to suggest the expediency of the admirable and eloquept Letters, signed " Bat- TANNICUs," inserted your trne Church., and King Paper, being published in a-separate form as a Pamphlet. I think such a step would be very beneficial to the Protestant C..nse. The Country is, indeed, deeply indebted both to your self and your valuable Correspondents on th:s most important Question. April 25, 1919. AN OLD READER. *** We entirely agree with our Correspondent in the propriety of the measure which he recom. mends, and hope that it 'will receive the concur rence of I.BlTAismcus. FOR THE SUN. HIS MAJESTY. Ma. Enrroa—Perhaps some of your valoable Correspondents can inform a COIISCienIiOUS Cler gyman (who loves his King and Country, and the Protestant Church to' which he belongs), by what authority many of the.officiving Clergy, in cities and towns, churches, chapels, and cathe drals, have decided " that God is either unable or unwilling to heal our beloved Mrmarch of his present disease ;" or have concluded, per se, than it is not for the advantage of the kingdom that the King should recover. And therefore have determined not to pray, according to orders, which have never been wiaidrawn, for his Maje-ty's recovery ? However grateful we may feel to Pro.- videoce that the sceptre has been entrusted to able hands in the person 'of the Regent ; however confidently we may look to an impartial adminis-. tration of justice on the part of his Royal High ness, and .however justly we may admire his ad herence to his beloved Father's views, while be is, acting in his name, we cannot, as Britons, think so meanly of one of GEORGE'S sons, as to suppose that he does not, in common with all good sub jects, pray for the removal of such a Malady from a beloved Parent and a revered Monarch. Why,. then, should Clergymen of that Church, over which the King is, under God, the Head io these realms, be the first to grow weary in praying . for his Majesty ? Protestant Disseuting Ministers cease not to pray most fervently for ; why, then, thould they thus bear away the palm of loyalty to their King, exhibit more confidence in . their God, and strew more subjectioo to high commands on this head than some Clergymen of our Church. If any order from aittborty has been given, as a Clergyman I think I should have known it ; if not, I shall still heartily pray for the King's recovery, that his last days may be cheered with observing that his Son, during his absence of mind, has- preserved THR CrINSTITU , TION CrlUilCii and STATS, unimpaired, as lie received it from the country by an act of God's mysterious providence. The promise of the Scripture is, " in due season ye shall reap, if ye faint not." YENRUG. TOMIZINTS'S PICTURE LOTTPEY.—TIIE !'sizes in TnmKiNs's PICTURE LOTTERY, valued at 152,2251., lre now on View, ut No. 3,l,New Bond street, where tickets, price 31. Bs. each, are on Sale ; also by I'. W. and F. P. Tomkins, No. c. 4, New Baud-street; Longman and Co. Paternoster-row ; Ca dell and Davies, Strand Hurst, Robinson, and Co. No. 9•►, Cheapside; J. W. Whiteley, No. 103, New-gate-street; P. Colnaghi and, Co. Coekspur-strect ; and at all the Lottery Offices. BoxEns..--Deaf Davis is matched to fight Ayrect on the lit of June, in the same rinit alter Burn anti Shelton ; and this day Joshua Undion tights Williams, a wAterman below bridge, fur twenty fire guiwas, within ten miles of Loadoi. T ki EA. 'V It. 1C A L R E tit S :: r; it. Performed last Ni . . , ,rit. Mt:Aril-1 ROYAL, 1 '.71 , U RY-LANE,--Tilt' MO ry Wires Of Wind' sor : Sir Jo!;!1 F:t:statf, Mr. S. Kellpt4Le ; Mrs. Page, NJ artiy o. A ttyr v..1)10.1, Abuti.th. rn EATRE RC Y A 1., ( v ENT-GA 4 t,!;N.—The Fleart, of •M'id . thia : Ow v - .4‘ - . i , ..: , , , Mr tsn, . M a c': ailv ; Madge'lC ziu- r, , fired Mr' C. Elontble. AN.cr Iviiipli, Fooluontus and WS '~.Soni. , -•.-, . . ...-...e c l' 4 o' For CANDI nus, see tilt First Page. • 1 1 PRICE OF STOCKS PI'S 1,4 , f AT T , Li• I.V o'ci. , •CK• Cons. for Ma 3 per Cent. T1ed.....717. 7241 I Bar; Lone . Ann ........ 1811 3 ler Grua. C0n5.....7 6 2-,W7A iii 1 India Stock ..... ... ...... 22/ 34 pei Ceril -;, ` -i- lndia Bonds, ..... 27q• 3( "• P r. 4 , i,ii! r Cent. I y ..... iiii :, per Ct.N. Ann. 104 , , 11.1:.41 ' 9oi 1 Exch ‘2d 7" . Bills, ......33. si• PA.' MAILS. Mull/ED-1 Dublin, 1 Waterford, 1 Guernsey and Jer 1 Prance. IJuE-1 Dublin, 2 Waterford, l Guernsey and Jersel• HICFI WATEIL Al' LONDI - !N BRIDGE To.rooKa olv. L orttimg, ti minutes after , s.—Evening, SI = , l utes after , 1 %7 I it 11-4 K . 5 ViJ 1 • _ soLem ply I , ICFAtE 1,;1 7 NI 11 DEAT ? LONDON, TUESDAY, APIaL 27, 1819, of I'Ve received this morning the Paris PaP el . s Saturday last. The Chamber of Deputies , °t .Fo day, proceeded with the discussion of the se , o no ; projet respecting' he Press, but it produced ArtV thi.ag of any true:est to an English reader. des 10 and 11 were agreed to, and the d' s or, also on At tick 12, after going on for soln e LI tifs was adjourned till Saturday.--=The tullowil)0 extracts " PARIS, APRIL 24.—The King traosactecr bosioess yesterday, for several hours, wi:11 fli t Nlinilter of the Interior. " Letters fr,,m Dresden state the Jeparitire. from that City of the' Mat gut ss de CerallO and the f Un au g ainherlain de Cdffra, (vv.) Sptin i3l." ► ;in ; %vho had passed sou le time there , (; , come thither from Vienna. They a re adPP us to have been charged with a Special .2 ,l i' sl" re. specting the new mstriage of thcir Soverci4ll' f " Yesterday a' Deputation of the Chattibel.°i Deputies delivered to Lis Alaiesty the first poi! respecting the Liberty of the Press, agreed to it) the Sitting of Wednesday. It is understood that Lieutenant-Geperai the _ p ointed our cowit Riecard, Peer of France, is ar .... - Ambassador to Petersburg h. It is generally reported that the Prince de Metternich, on his return from Rome, Win some time at Valls.. d'ls tri" "It understood that the Count Capo on quitting Corfu, will proceed to ,Loudon b/ 1116 way of Paris. FIVE FER CENTS. Friday .661. 85 g` . DLFERRED STOCK. of the 22d March, 1817, B4f. 6 0 ' .9.21 Sept. - 1917, 221 March, ISIS, BO t. li°c' ' • 78 L 60 0. 224 Scpt. Isis, ... C 22d M 6 March, 1819, 7 f. 60.. O . 0 i f j r 0 FRANKFORT," FRANFoRT, APRIL 19.—Reports of job!) culation in Austria, that the order of S"'". tb - 1 will be suppressed, and the revenues giveL t° milt tar y order of Mark Theresa. W eil Home, APRIL 10.—The number of fa g • tecently arrived here is estimated at 3b.o°°:' We Are glad to observe that, Sir of PORT has caned the attention of the. il(juse Cotntnons to the consideration of the A l) Treaty,.as it affects the Nowfoundia l44 an d eat to ( i t brador Fis,hries, which will be I" st liiitain e onless e some legislative provis i°ll is -I" w diately made to prevent it. -rA It is not surprising thatsome of the r r° 1111"- of close Boroughs intend to o ppose " tor's Oath Bill," the di,cussion Of whicti tits Of fold the' Public an opporiartity of j" (l4i3g bitl►e Al sincerity ;i 7 o t themselves nolaunrys ourselves, y b : 0 1 ld this Btil deserving of the sanction of'" Liegis gil pocot tea thb(Ftc4hneaosncisots l icot tiut an end to a bos es __in re proba urts try and an injury rjh aa t % : ' ) ve iat : (r o iliu t: g s h t r' it 'linceet cond reading stands for l'hursdaY d(nibtless, produce all animated and interest' debate, bo le The Clergy of the Diocese of Distbarn „ „ nt detettnined to petition both Houses of-Par"'ll.Lot against the admission of the Papists to Polit ic al Power—and at a recent Meetin, Slot) C °lleg l e i : London, simihmr Petitions were agreed on by t " Loninti Clergy. ..nto nest, and wi ll, .0% Meetilgs tyre now holden by the rroi,-- throngliont the North of Ireland, for the 1) 11:1(1$6 of petitiiming against the Demands of the C 3 ' ll°' lies, and to show the world that they are 'IPPr: hent,ive of the mosr disastrous consequetites to FT ~ is is Protestant Interests in Ireland, if the 0 obtain the possession of Power in the egislato! end the State.