The Sun. — London, England, 1816-03-12 00:00:00

1 r that 14 . , p p, n ciirotMere Ail` 07u 1:1 ti 3 s nt tan thin. Itrit'itrt'Uf - hi.% and said oletit4lfiblt' I*l.44,lPtiOt,,Peirged leave, .to Wbi'tliCr it ,Ole in tention of the . Ittd. - tn bilk; oitali a Considet'ation . of the Tax on Pro- Percy 411 , 1Vednesdav nett f That:tetaircet.Lott of the 11-xellittaUEß was of . opinimiv ttflitt , considering the variety utbusiness fixed for the present week, and the importance of coming to - some Parliamentary determination pre- Niously es to. the amount of the supply to be voted, ulthough he hatfbeen disposed tit, suggest. Piday, the following Monday would probably be a More convenient day..-( Hear, hear 1) , • .• liaciunnAm moved that the paper! ent the tahle,"tinder the head of No. 9, making part of the returns. ordered by, the ilotiso, with. reference to thetiroperty Tax; 'be printed.. • _ • A emiveriatiou of some length . ..then followed_ as to the pr . appiety ntf piloting the, who.leof_the re:urns, but it - we'as finally agreed that they were_ ton vcilittnitioins.. • , . .:~,.' ;,r tea,* , , t - - The %,ttfrsent.Lon of the EXCHEQUER Wtylloppy t to see tivittlenteti oirthe Alter side LT,iving an ex- II • • itinpip that public economy w they plo fessetl." ARMY "ESTESIATES. On the qnistion for the Hduse going into the Co!:4 mitt ee .of ! .Supply,' Mr. WYNNO öhsetved,•thartlie ancient prac tice was ti?`.fote the sums Aeparately. %% as the CASC 49 •as - 1 .101 anti - 1.802. • The votes, was ought not to be take!' • under general beans. -ff one vote was proposed for all the tllsrituttees . under; 'NO I. 'the Hon se would he' deprived 'front' terminizing into the expenses of the &tiff. 'theieforentoved; that it be an in-. itrnetion . to the Committee to _move separate ehargei for t. thetertpenses of the Household Troops, the-Cavalry; the" Forces'serring in the Golonies,- Iu areat Britain; &r 'Sic. . • Lord PALMtnsTak Said he had',endeavourett to incietite. Hon Gentleman's wishes .ak far as pos sible, in order to enable him to come to an under standing as tO'the 'diitribiitian. of'. the general farce.' had pieputed a Iteiolution (which; he. explained,)' dienlitk the subject under seYeral heads.' would come before the Comitalitee:' lie meant' tn propose it general vote for Great Britain and Ireland, as. neatly as possi— ble4tt:they were voretl 4 before, and another fur !be for eti gating' abroad. •,: t: c Wished the nomie to have.an op proititnity' of cliscitssing the questions the 'ex petots6 of the•rerriiii . log 4talf and recruiting depots, madly distinct from other ithints, 'particularly re., spetlittk Yhb ;11intsehold•troops, which '-ought to be kept istpleavely. . Lord 1...1 . A5i-t.:rtisq`ort 'Was of opinion that the. prti]►ii9ition t,; the' liOn. Gentleman, if agreed to, it-016'0 4 MA ttive The Tatilitiei he 11/trilled for. The lteltrittitikn of his-'"Noble FriOd , he thought, would stufte'er'afl`thelittrposes required. tVittle ittrthercOnvetsittion ensued between Alr. 11Vynne, 1401:(1 Castlereagh, and Mr.talcialt,•%% ho tIo that the motion Of 'hit 'Flout.. Friand.llr. Wptite,' to - lattilitt Ins' oh ctt , would reqiiire the Elointhtes to'he Entirely Mr. Tinto/E..; eiiierett . into a 'series of explani. 'dans, to shew that the reductions thit atti;hi be made, 'esittid - notbe 4initerstood nitless'the Motion ofitistSbn. rerad were : agreed to. wiiheirtit6 Noble Lord irOnl4l • rtufkethi v‘' , '.e for the service'of Leland litict from. that "for this sere ice' of . .lingitind. He W 1) .`511 4 %..a ilic lortiter to be made' fOr SIX stunoltS. only, in'ohler that 'the 4Late of Irelistur:might be fully inquired into, laid before the noose during the 'present st v 4 ion 101 reiquiry which no man in the House did not, he was sure, feel to be ab iteCessart. • • l'isCiaid (14' . 1:vt'illls,"in justifieation of the eiteßiiitthent; and, ai tvell . its we limier-stood, Mr. l'oNsostriv thought that if the "payincrt of 1114 trhapieuiere cured , for six Months the in quiry ttite'place; if voted for longer, it' Was a qiiestion. whether it would take place at all, ' Silr.lVa'ruftltosibr i Was of the cline opinion as IllsAtigio Hon. Friend' (Mr. IlOnsonh,), wished' thl'sitliject to'bi separiffely 41.sciisseth, re-. flier that. a di;cussion *Viotti,' 'fake place on 'tie inntiOn Of his Itight on,Priend (Alr.Viiyane). o:tiaiilll' put the 'House and the cottony in pi isesiion of the feelings which Gentleinen op posl.e entertained towarrls In answer to Lord Milton, Lord PALAIERSTON; said, the first Re'solotion he meatit-to.4lloVt!, Wlt3 'IW ti itifa' of 2;400,0001. for the 'Lind Service, ; .401(1 afterwards the snots for the Guards and Gar ....-After a few explintations between Lord CA*l'o- liti - AOo and Mr. TICIINEV, thelttestion AVyilpes mot ton 'lsms , girt, antl. , .‘the; gallery -was cleilAd for a ill% ision ; it was shortly alter, h e w, eVer, re-opehed, no divkion'hnving taken. place ; and we wCre inforined that Lirrti l'alinersrini had enricelleil the point 'to , Mr. Hoiise thin went into a Committee, when flaysiensron ittoiNd the *first.ilesolutioo, tor'the simt 0r•383,116iJ19s .011; for .defray,ing the 'tetiai.glof the llouseholotrOops, from the23(l De, , - ISIS, to the , 2410 Decettitier; 1616._ CALCHAFT.ItIiotb-th'e eXiICOCC of so targe,.a coulti,hylw weans e's•:itisfeetory. reduelian uf,tlte Ptitimtier to what it was in. 1791, would not be our fit'SSOnatkle. In. all 'times of peace, these troops were maintaitted merely ,for th e purposent,paralle.; bail never heard suited that their Vl'fillerts ;le ,kfzt : ,ip lit '1791, , not 59111- , elent 'for the pttiliiies ',of Metropolitan duties, Ie 'should propose .that the ,lrooPs 4thouht be redur:ed from the number of 1744, of that amount, which -wou.di leave 'satnewhat stronger 'than 'they . were in The Eopt Guards ought,tttso Istbe.rieduced'; 4heir.diity being, ~after war, orti to keep the .Iln .lVe thvin to (:11301101,, Anse tre,litd no use 8))4 1 : When.tlity.got to Ch. , thant, they loot witn,itig to th) tluere. no ceunottiy.iloty of peace, Erivo.pe that t fi r s 00 4 0► one half, 01* 4th t) lie "")aid Hot troutil , . Ilse llothe tiyettlitriAtug his rrnortittlutt,, but hit would cuuteutl. tbat'au ' • , • . . ~ ' " -,- • • ;. - - - -A-'. , • t-i ...... • ,•,-4.1 5i,..... . . , .. •1 , . i i niti t . Oraund etitd4.b,e sfi‘4t . l.Jp,!'lltifile i rl t. , rct , fpr ke?ninE by the eitabliilinient i ho i.,1 4 i - ttidri iliet'eAV:-.• lie Willild Rllol . llOni, FIS jlll'ittiletWitt MT 'AVniti.i kt'.. i . be att - ent i e d to .. ~ • • ' . -,- • that initrailid.the:sittvh,3,l 4 4.2 , 74oi. , o„,\!l i Ve ittil: . „Li.;ll Pt. L .N'cosiint*: kiiatenderi - that the Hon si dwitnted i bat 0f'1`92;6381:. 45..9d."14 ''the ptsiz G en akn ? , 44) 10a .,,,,,e, 4 ,- 4 ' .. , - - • f . ~ 'poses I i question; - - ' • • - - ' his Noli4 Friend's iii4oinit•t!tf.,. .He repentedjnOtt ~..` . 1: • of, tle ___iserv,itiofis pa t h: I ly Lcii.il C.kliere.tivii; . ' Ld'fij b.C.I - AiftE.AcPt apprehended' thht the•HoU. r i g h t l y , ~ respecting the ipiestron whet berg •se e eh oe ld t.„..,,.. Gentleinao had not stated the questiOn. or consistent with: theooinion entertained by the t enter lest ittio.ttintlie iLtPPtisive force, ~,..Tlit gar, House; for he had attempted to do te. , o thing's at • ; ',jog', ky.retlocieF 1f • S e amount ,of flousehold Tenting., would °dry be 13,0001,, and the ditfe ance. The Houlte had already "edine to a vote for."' a certain,amount of riirce le he kept up. It was , rettce between that and the':etivente of biki ng the wisli of the House to keep up. this, number ;. - ot(ter:Dritgootil qo,lll4,betibe..giteo4,,and,iiiipinia,nt but the Hon. Member now attempted to coup. PlYit?gt .ah,ool.Vhich so ;Inch ; bad been said, S and' ' teract• the vote of 'theother night, by witlttlieW•-, for whieb - we evere to disperie . one •of the best and most effectual corp s i n t h e kingdom. He ad.ing 5000 uteri. If he were disposed to take the seine of the litotse uptel his - amendalent ) be ought , mined, that, respecting the 2000 Ottartis 51311111.' . . : to'be coining home, the cerise. was eotieely, hii to move' the difference between: the number - and the amount of charge', awl it w w would .be competent ..°". arising from the hurry 40 I)4tfilleS s . H e • to . aoy Mereber to refuse to vote the , aunt required) had misunderstood the a rr angem i nt S' i n t h e first ; : but it was inconsistent to vote for the tathicticin instance, but lie :could assure-the. House; that no -of Hotisehold troops and the Guards, when the. i .ititeration boil heels made in, them, . and. that it Vote at to'ntimberliaving passed the House, that Was never iuteluied that they should be brought iitinilier,must tie toede 1) by raising new ordinary !tome. .He defended the pernianent establishment trooy i l i rif the. line. He ivislied to 'stibritit to 'tile of the Foot Guards, who, he observed, might he: ~.flonse the merits of the case. It had not been t sent,to Ireland incase of ,envergency, as theyhath•- . been on former occasions, whi c h p rove d t h at t h ey ustuil to detiritiiinate the .Guards tionSehold troops - —they were ,composed only of ilieheavy c av alry, 'were liable to be sent to any p a rt attic kingdom. , antinot of the Guards. He denier) that t hey were 'They formed as fine a corps as Were tii: be -foetid kept' ill' the purposes of parade; but - a great port in any country, and were a Model for :every, army in the world. We ought not (9 part with a, force thin of the . Gutirls were certaittly kept a t pre sent for the purpose of parade. in Fr i ti t ce, and i ,which hail proved itself so valorous and excellent.. hforming the ordinary duties,- conformably tol . t Mr. hraTntYPN thought the argutifetits .of . the Noble .Lord indicated t h at the~ expense mig b t not , the arrangements in that country. it was Itilly: explaiited;the other 'debt, ,that the Guards were 4id I,!e. Hayed, beettuse it was Itivial. (No ; no, leo in c a nt to h'e hrosight home. Thellon.l%lein. from ,the Ministerial Ben c h.) . Ile thonglit the ber w.as therefore perfectlywrepg in'his n o tion Noble fiord (Castlere44ll); in proving too mtieh,, that they were to be brought home forthe pnipoe betlPrOxedttotbing, 1 - 10 1 wisheal to know in wh at . of parade. He would say- that the H ouse h o ld : country the Noble Lord thought the danger likely troops proVed thems e le es the most ttlefeleavalry in to erise,,whick woold require the eight sconulrous the service, awl it woo4l he of the ; greatest ad• t to be sent abroad ? •When lie sass the monstrosi vantage,. instead of tlishantliugartir part of them, eThiblisiltuflit that. it was Iletermine'l to keep lit to have . always `the power of sending, in case of noni c e. in a.time•of profound peace, he had no 'any; -new war,. six ; or'. eight squadrons of Llu tl yi ' . l , hesitation in delivering his opittion that it was tin :thread. The Hon. Member a bad . fallen, i n to u necessary. , Lord PaLMEIISTOtt eX1)144(1. • eXtiaorqinary error to Ssivpose• that • tetra . - Mr. WYN,Fitt, ; thought the.argurnents. and e rrors bold trobps were'4H'•t only ler the purposes of 1 - :,,,,,,it y.. As _ „of time Nob* -Lord were the. inos:t extraordinary parade sin) ititendrik on the litiyal . , to his- propositioti, for reducing them, lie : apore. lie ever rentembered, except. when the,Cheeeell o e !tended Ihe experiment would produce the very re of the Exchequer made a Mistake of a million and ' .:verse of econtinty, and he. would tell bun why.— 30 half Thc. , atootant of the expviseof the hinase c,„l,l b e , „hold troops. sins 38,3461. There were tWo re g i- TlOic was not is single. Objection, that fetic h, i n t h e noose to.those troops„, It the lion. ; mews of &Remo's, - of only 131 "Men lesi, bei n g ' Gentlenten's.iibjet4 was to put doein that deserip- together 1863 men, whose total chargewat• 77681. • The difference was' in propoetion, betwe e n an y ciao of force, in order to substitute regintents of ' . twO reginteets.of the Horse G u a r ds Re d Awo re ' Ihe hue, the Ildoie "svottiil hays: to consider what 'tlireet thilitarY loss would .be sustained by so doing. regiments. of Life Goaids. Such calculatiutia ' Wheti there were deducted from the army ail men might he carried much farther, and they were cal.' 'whose time 'Of service Was 'about to expire, aw l • elllated to excite ast °imbuing. 91 a A The House ,mmer" 'was those who ii ere obliged to retire ftom infirmities., 110 t bounce to abid e by a ny discu s sion it would be seen . that in point of fact, the nrmy night. - . • wotild he fay from complete ; nor was it even ' an . , Lint rCA . STIARtAGH explaipeti.. The greatest inaccuracy which the lio n .. M em b er h a d f otin d i n ' at the present, inomenttri the alumna required.-- If Gentletrien were to think what expense would Ids stutemeet Iviit s that he hail mentioned 37,0001. be cauSed by sending Adrift four or five thousand instead "f 27,0001 . . , men, each of ,whom had probably cost in coon- Mr. C4l-CH Art thought he could point out ono : try about ii,ne hundred ltotimis,, they would see that tiler inaccuracy of the ; 4 ° l -de Lord. .In arguing, th e re ,,,,:r would be very different from economy. on the amount of the Goards., he sletetli flint 1000 tint . ivliat also would be the effect .of turn- Guards on the lines of Cltalliton wofild not cost ing away turn who had so admirably fought our' more thaiv 1000 other inen. ,He would poi.nt out battles ? W here shpuld we' find their equals ? t o the Committee the 'lttifferenee of'eepense be. (Hear, !learn - We' must go agent into the tmaket fittest the Guards and other,.tegimotits.: Of the to look' (to Hann:lly peasants to supply their place, ' Guards, it would he seen that. 2200 me n cost only!' tor . the purpose .of seeing an aisplited dale- . 7. 5- ,853 1 ., While the two reginuents, under the emne Felice I)I'I.WVP.II the expellee of the Guards and as ' command of the Deke of Kent, consisting of 'malty Olin of site line. The Giiiirds were. es tine 2, 0 3 3 men, Fa" only 5.,19.6 1 .; innkiug an excess men as env iii the world. To disband any of theta of 16,3,571. This , Yht the difference between acne would only entail an additional expellee on the corps snit another: • lie- 'would • nor curer the .tr.. euni-ttry; for lbe ,pensioos 9( such its were. ell. gititteta.n.biell lime: Noble Lord had taken, His titled to them, and the expences :of recruiting, ! PhjeFt Lees Only so see 110 W, by at reduction of ' and we sliontil break down the best props in One ' tile" , we c°"iii diminish time general . expense of . . serVice, null hare to replace-them with green sal- i the Elti""tte B . • . . 4 diets and new trtiops. of the line. To all .that ! 11 *-" 11 t• 1 1 l ie i a (;4413410tAGilhenlet,: teat oat, ever seid tbehonte service reqeired no more duty than Nay that. the expense of lae.),) guar d s wou ld not be necessary in 1 791, w" nit 'assumption „.- 0. 1,„ ut greater than - that of 1000 infantry of the - line. ' 1 proOf; and sueb as 'no Man Could maintain' who ' Mr. BnouGuAlst said,: the more these Estimates, `hu')ketl, at the ~difrerent situation.. its Which,.,the wera gane into, the luvro -reintgnaltl- they -were cook' y now stood. The Hon. ' gentleman bail proved to , the principles of the Constitution. Be. 'said the Guards were pia to , Chatham to do no. fore the House determined to keep up the force thing. 'So far from this being the.ease, the duty proposed, it was incumbent upon the Noble Ltail 'of the fortifications and_ dockisrd. of (Chatham to prove that the state •of the Nets opolis was so :always required ,1000.inen,. , All 'the , saving that ; changed (ruin what it w as i n 1791, as to make it would take. place by the reductionproposed in the necessary to maintain' in it nearly double the Iltiist% hOlattivairv, would he the trifling sung of 'fore, which Was then held t o be stiflielent 13 . :0001.'; and, besides' giving :Pensions to t h e '!There was now nothing , to ; tear I .froin the dis., 'men, we should be obliged to sell ,balf the fine •nfreolilln of: the people,; the nanie 'or I litetibinistn . hortes,of the establishment at- - a, vast loss, while was almost forgot teti—and the Attortlev-Gt:nerni we sli9tild he• obliged to raise "civalry of a diffe- for the ' last two yt-ara hail not found it'ileCet.; rent description, to make tip the 'lumber, under miry to file' one ,e; qiieiti information. He woe : every disadvantage of expellee, apd inexperience . te',lted a1..-titioSt stke• language which l ie d b een used , in the men.. . , . • . witli respect to the disbanding of the * military'. ~ For the first time 'in 11 ' ; , ,„,., . , its country, tine tsintsta Mr. Caecentre, must, confess, that of all the. :soldier had ii ' ' I that 1 • 'i to IA u , 4 , - ow been told, todisbaud was to. ili 1 i sn e ern e s n e ' inc. heard trom ow 4.0uie.....f0ri4, vie degrade him. Stic h 1 angtiage.•Wat, most Uncoil never listened to one in - which he was so corn. ,st r iation 4,. . , ~, i 111 (1 . . I ,le or weir the citizen became a pr e t- e ly. driven out of, the. field Of argument- Pe : soldier, void on th e retsirn of* eace - there' w' - ' wins 110' ti e e n, 3e d to, hate foegottert no whit point tint sense , tivlci . a w wor . , . . P, i Int tits re-entering the ranks of the el-. of the 1-l o u se h a d already heen,taken :it was only • 1 * II ,vt taus. c comektipettl:of the.exoenee ollseeping" as to the rethietion of 10,000 men. Wilt thc No. tip the 'molter 0; Guards ptooosed which QII 4000 bre Lord's speech; would go :agninst ell :reduction • ' men created aim i ' s I ' Howie expenditure of 23,0001: w4,..iii•vt r. " What, - said the Noble Lord, '" will More Out, 111 '' • 'I . wott ( .te *oeuvre( on the same number I brit.. troops liter • •the have - yiti i pait with those bra it.. , . . Y o f troops of the liiie..: Therewas too 1 , no: contents. Sri braveiy distinguiilied themselves in action l'i ea, itn expense 'h 10, e coMpiniord of attacheti . to 'Ta be sure we ,mind. This was the 'ventral con- ,his - {once,, - .- : . as well,in patronage as in mOney. "He Ithe reason whv • • sequence of their bravery, Alit. ~ ~, 'ousted on the propriety of op osin thesvote. if we should pert with them. Those actions ,have ' ttim - tr .. no , It 1 , , , P g ,_ , T 7 v.ott e< for, i unintli the ninnher ot men led to peace, and peace required that we shred(' bad 'Weed bee n Vot • I if I ' y- . -0 Li .. is o iject was to get the reduce our estublishinent and expenses, why . t -',_ ' • f, rugs rescinded,. end witil this view might we to have Mote . ggerds now than iti.1791?- tic h ad , • , 11 - . , tS little tient to oppoie tile present ino- The Noble Lord had only said that we ought, but . Simi, as he , I eon on an- .1 y OrCAS oil to) OppOtfe .rite Dart,. given , t i t,o reason for . it., The statement to- third read of a Bill, atter h' II t tt - ouse had approved i .t ect ieg the ottniherof, qoards , that ivere,to re- Qt .• it ill its eartiet ,, magt. ~ , , - . iii,ii.i in16;111-.0 had been'eeirrected since those Or- m . vit p . , - 4 i• s•-• 91.0 obStrvga, that great twin-tit Hit limes hint beglitt."- This w,to-the.fFrill'e• unto will" followed from the 1 . ' ' 'I ' ! ' t ... , . hats - . t i .4 - 1 - those •. . , t imtistonS tat ,irof a.r.„-ii,.v NI9IPACr§ :401, i uy, first asset ti, that taken place. It Was estehlished by a ler • -1 - 'l„,4oo.trops were „crernitiglioltie ; and: it svai also- sit y--(Hear, hear !)—that the null nnit g o t tn: l: t i j :: " * . ktlt) , Y4 til?.Ylo!littr net Intrity coal tittle troops se- -nisei in the EStimittea .. ts as O - ecessary to the alt:. t.0 .,,0 y .w , re 4t first eptil tng • bottle ; th e . f a"- w" fence of - the eivont.ry. The Mo.:Gehl letneo•who his side tit the Water jt.fttlallyi su u t nder,Stood on t i t ds who sit )ma 41 Now, if they had i been brotieht.. home., it was h i in , o4 th.e. is . • . , '- , . • - I I L st Ingut, bud not - teeth:2r eliitaind t ). mor e ,than that wr., 5H) 9 1.1 hove hat ! 2100 04 , 04 _, t h i " ~,,t : 4 . , trout etiy eiselo i Xi on i n the Coilim m itt ee... -Of these ' woo t, c d, an ti roti,tivivinly they . wpiold . have' litp: % vi m d rd I ._ , ~ , . , , ueet Ine , cprestatwitt,ene - Cottrautt e e - t no_ notbieg to do. .1.1: , must be an idiot who mou'ol7re,h. „ c „ :18 j 441/ I,,; titputvi - t ' ' :Au ltni Mitietly',l AT -0-verrimetit, • ' ' ''' ' ' bie`• bu whit the (41'..• riti i re w h a t hats 1 tpritc9cA , AL I T en oti his . ..,i f i c..iv i i t ie d to ; t10,. was to endeavour It kvas ceriainly, the ih,tY of GOVertiliterit to n ' l4. It) uht,tio soyteilOng , for like ,people, in the s tvriy of.. every possible redectiott 1 but rise vote riont! ii ; s i et e lie m•ist eeriest thatilte' . ~_, ....iitotioneittleL.pens-• . .... ; ~ t qturco was. not I s , be. r,earited. as -the f ita- '. min ohie I ord's ,ii'Otillierit Went 114(tittSt all ttlilpetioll t ;,,, of .. ...., , -1" t . . ~.,. itr-kliftlleilt l'cite: lEitahliV.ineot, (hi vcjiiitev t :l. 'll we were to sit dip the notness.ot• the c as i ti, ary ; - . it • v, ; ), ... ( ; • II i be their duty to ItStik -Oat:. - i i lily tutu stud the beauty of the horses sa: the Vl** rowly hitt) the sb' 41 - ' u ject 4 , an it see it was postulate I lA ;. ti 'ln - t the course - le - Arr . "— vem.: Ant)! rtri.;;', Of. ail. 41sibashift3 - w . us to . Thew, w!titt etitt! .41041 ;Atli proti ide fp r .thy over the wnlld: 1-14 Impid that tLe.(mtutryi et))l.ieti , ... the Ittea 7 ., • tion Ot those Estitinttvi, would taite aeconot the eltafacte4 tilf.)se -4 wh4 . 'pr4pomt,- - atid „t' , 'host!: cello opposed theta. He lsoited thryl woitit( , recollet that...they wet . ..v. Opposed by the indivi dual!) %%II!, had prophected ruin trout - the '*ctr. of / • the Peititi6la; 'who ,We're 'anicious ,to 'rubles Apace-. • with Blionaparte in the zenith, of bis , powzr, . • after.ttard,on the return of the tyrhilt from Elbe„ . • 'and whti, when talk() upon to vote the luPpliet foritalt year; prognustiC2ted that the tilir rvotrlcl laSt a titti:i.as tint fOrmr.' AIt..IV2WINN : s, declared the Spealivr eulufged on topics ‘trhich had nothing tty . do the question under the consideration of the House.. Hey ••••• • censored the present BstnnateA, and con.tcnd'o et! that every saving ; however small, co4lll . : • be wade 'oit4lit to be made: . General Letrros bore qestiniotry to . the great' :servi'cbs.oritlio Guards, and to.the necessity. which existed for keeping up the proposed establish.. * • . _ ment. .. • . rittouotiiat ekplalne(ll • Lurtl CATTLIREAOH Spoke: shortly its explana.q; tton, tp prove that the arrangement made wi%i t tespect to the Guards was - that which'cOold ilot• possibly have been adopted' tai s'ettirtan increase .of piOronag-e. • . • • .Mr. TICttNCY laid, that after the discussion that had taken !dace, tile country Would 4ce the true nature of the prel'essirn of economy that had been made: '• The elreionstanees of our, lot eign, SeSfiefla %vete not here to be taken into the ae count, and nothing was to he hulked. to hut tht simple fact *Of the 1 - Innichdlil or tortitirtroopi.—: Had . the day bt the inetropolis: inerra , ell so much Iliat-sitch an additionto tiirfre truolts tees ieccs.. SnrY,? The Tc.'al , eltiCatiOtt Ives, had ally thing' tie— curred that tendered the reignOf the itegilit tlttfe rent from fhat ofGeorge the Thirthi• !Iltere wits, iR fact, no necessityfor a single.mao it hove the number. of 1792. ha Noble Lord had said, if the regiment are reduced, what Will bet:time of the horses ?" As well aright lie say,: if the 'Scotch „regittlettke .orta. tedtlCesi, 'what will become. of the Thillibeg, l aptt' bagpipes? : Should he and his friends be dekeatetl nn the.present occasion,' there was itu lkopt'bf eeohoilly In any branch: -The Right• Holt. Geh, tlemari opposite (Mr, Pitic) had strange itleas, of v iitimbers he called 6S A htr,ge tholortiy, at i 4 urniy.' That Majority had creased, every stihstqttetiriliiciisstottriruni 120 to tire. large-majtirity of the Right:Hon. Celt" tleniAtt. HZ. u!tacilvii snore ,intporttoice to the esetit veation than to that of the Plo:serty Tat; as tico wits a vital itiestiois Colintrrand the' Constirutitin;:i Minktere thtiOtone charged theiwwitli a deliberate intention to sidivert the Coostittition., , He did. not charge them with, It deliberate fniention 'of any kind. 'Tiicy had' also alindeti to what thel . ealied the prognostics front his side.of.tke 11004; but .how ulieu ha,) they asstated'the 11ouse,' that if the power of 'litiona parte, should be tiqtroyed, we 'slintilti . thiet: veacp: plefity in her - trillit:• , It was tirtheccashry It ; , say what had been the: result Of these predict tie begged the ilpUtieftLi cutpAritlr What woulifbe the effect 01 their vale Out of titan would tiniterstatid . to he )1' tfuetical- betwied • the Coatitryttuil i on cc, OIL , be made • here, then reditetihn was out of the question. CuANcgt.t.on etf theT4lxcnuctutla said, the arglititentS of the Getitietnen'oppiisit*eta utt thit fallacy -.lf - the: inleSet;t Lstashitsitbteut IttA., perritaitetit Peace. Establisiltridlli; )01.4t1.1 tit (stet it was only inte,mietl an intermediate' Aistahlishk went between a sta':e •al .. War an&inte.cif peucte.labisc. - ; `lie iiroterded tut .sume length to.deteno:the:Vm.', eangeniunts which bin,! .becti propnsed, the Navy h.td not been ).C.Ahlced as tittleit in pro portian to the Army a's - it 'wits'in I 79t,. und declar ed, what should be the expense of our Veac.ee lista was u question which -must of ucceS sity be left for decision in :mattes. The' Committee divide:4 - (m the Amendment, when the ninnhvrs weie S .. Ayvi . Noes al,ljurity . —.-12 . Tha originai'Mat!ori Nat tiitn; pit t and .carriell. IVitila strangers were exeltnltil, a Aeconti did %ion took place, as wa notterstand on a nuiti'oix made by Mr. W: Wv NNE, . (nr ego:lifting the exp.' peose of tke Cavalry an d° tionbetiotti Trpaps. by. which it was proposed tu effect a saving of :20 : 0001. lle. numbers wes e -11)14 '. ~ '142 Noes.. , Majority .tg4ttst the :11,:tini, cd Mt. VVyttilk t --fa ' Lord P.m:41.1;51'0N WOW! t grant.of 333.6924' on account Yet the Drag Onus, tiu.irtla, and W,ig son'Traiu, TtmuittY, who had previously proro,eil that the Etatbur cciniitlet.4tion - 01 - the .Ritonates should `he arrjoirrneti,..t.twietl,' ar an - ante:Rime:it, that the Chairman should report progros, A third diviaipq ttiok pl4ee, when the 'tumbril were—u. _ htrtj;irify II St t %It Arn eta (1 . 0 e rit ^;-Z-41 The'origitai Resointiorr_tvosltretrpgrertiuri lb* Efooie resninetli thirClilitintialepotred ityogreh,t,, snd the Revert, of the geso•lotions whs ortieFeit to he brottglapp this tiq'y, tin it t:;is+tvior\o}4 Oostlitoneti his motion for !twel° bring in a for tiv ittztte-r 3etitaftlg of ilootitip,qte tall this !I.ly. The,tit her Pr4iers of the :1).1y were difl)nsoli 'of; uto ft.o.pasi the o'(lock this the Clouse "ittViottrtied. ! EMIL •noimi riot arta h Coma aferelt: alit NoTort,, Foal of Niiisv,ii'vene, li.uutt Litig.hhivitg t it t i" 11.`"tt I et. 1410. Loi - d3lltp hrui bee. brtviti; the We P;iti, iti Jiitie'; ISt I, -104 t •nuiriittit - HAuclt'triTowtt.YN;-the , "tititlit A. 10 1 1 4 ,11, by tvitrotti fro. krft: olio-tied to flic Ahle Tkomiks VosT - Ro. ,tit it•e extinct. iccutlaut 4f titu titter hcancli of thv takinly.