The Sun. — London, England, 1819-08-27 00:00:00

FOR TIIV. SUN. BAPTV,Ni. Ma. -Encrott—Sir, your constant Reader has been looking and vraitinz for the answer request ed by CLEnicus, on the subject of Baptism, which tie a•ked for in your Paper of April 2(3, and I Corif"SS myself much disappointed that no one h a s riven him an anus& to his Querry and Observa tHns. Allow me, Sir, to say to CLERICUS, there are moth more formidable objections on that sub ject than the mode of sprinkling of which he speaks. I am a memb , r of the Established Chore!), and that of Sr. Danstan's West, in the Cly of London ; and I do assure him, that it is only for the sake of the Register that I have con sented to take my children to the font, for I do conceive Bapti•m, as practked on infants, to be nnantborised by Scriptnre, and that it is a strong rtliet ►►f popi,l► s►►perstition. I object to the term God ac applied to man or woman on the subject of God fathers and God-mothers never were instituted by Sctipture authority, and that children " born in sin and shapen should repent, be lieve, ren ou n ce the Devil and all his works, the rimpq and vanities of this wieked world, and all. t h e s i n f u l l us ts of the tit-sh, &c. by proxy, in the persons of god.fatliers and god•mothcrs, forms torov, objections to our form of Baptism. Trite, lases said, '' suffer little ctildren to come unto me"—and lie blessed them, but not a cord about Baptism. It is not of divine origin, and that mutable man or woman should make such en g age= men's for others, when t';ey are so bud set to do those tLings for tilt mselves, is sporting. with sacred things,and is asoletnn mockery; strange it is, that Loch requirements should ever have been im- posed, and we may truly deplore that they are as strangely attended to. It is objected also to it being called a Sacrament—it was an Ordinance, no Sa- I object also to ale conclnsions of that ceremony as performed in our Church I - mean the Established Church: cranlent. The children are brought to the Font with their original sin, the corrupt offsprings of a de generate stock, and as such are said 'to be heirs of condemnation, children of wrath, &e. ; but at the conclusion of the ceremony, the Minister thanks God that the children are re-generated, and born again, &c.; and as the children grow up, worth are put into their mouths to say of the ef ficacy of Baptism, " wherein I was made a Mem- her of Christ, a Child of God, and an Inheritor of the Kingdom of Heaven," How true and how proper all that is, let the dispositions,propensi ties, and conduct of their riper years demon strate ; and sorry I am to witness the inconsist ency of some of our Divines, stile(' Evangelical, who continue to practice that Sacrament, as they call it, yet, by their preaching, stamp the lie on tie letter and spirit of it, and prove it a mere farce, a nullity, and gross imposition. If R a p_ tism has effected what they assert, and they thank God for, why yet are they vociferating hell and , damnation on their Members, and preaching the necessity of a new birth, re-generation, &c. by the Spirit of God. If CLERIM39, or any other Gentleman, can justify such conduct, and !thew tl'e objections here made to he ill-founded, they will he doing a service, and I should feel obliged ; un til then they must no,t wonder that men read. their Bi'des Jo secede front the Churith ; hut, before I cowhide, let me just remind CLERICUi, or any Cleravnian of the Church who may read these c2w remarks, the abuse that is made of In fant Baptism, and the gross ignorance and super stition it engenders. When a child is taken its friends and attendants are alarmed, fearing the little soul is in danger of God's wrath and hell.--- A Clergyman is in haste sent for, and if the child is but baptised in part, or what is called half hap,ised, Heaven's vengeance and Hell's destruc tion are considered as appeased, and a happy pass port to Heaven is made out, and the alarm far the child's soul ceases with smite, but others say, in such cases, the child has only half a soul, and they arc anxiously concerned tliat the remaining Lair of the all effectual charm may be completed— they are then at rest, quite happy, and the cheer full glass goes round with the toast general on those occasions— LONDON JOIMNALS. FROM THE MORNING PAPERS OF TIIIS DAY. LATEST ACCOUNTS FROM MANCHESfER. [Airing Post] CONIMITTAL OF MR. HUNT. Last night we received a Letter from Manches ter, dated IVednesday afternoon, which informs us that Hunt had been again brought Hp before the Bench of Magistrates, and finally committed for trial. Hunt treated the Magistrates with great disrespect, and said he would enter into no com promise with them. Mr. %Vest, who went down from London upon a mission from the ft lends of the prisoner, was not permitted to see him, though others had been admitted. [The Times.] 111 ANCILESTER,. A G. 25.—HaIf-past I P. M. I have just time to mention, that Mr. Hay has returned with the decision of the Cabinet, regard ing the legal proceedings to be pursued against Hunt and his followers. It was expected that they would be called up this morning at the New Bailey to hear this decision. There has been a full assem blage of Magistrates, but the.) , did not order the pri soners to appear in Court : I have not, consequent ly, learned whether they are to be committed for High Treason or not. , To-morrow or Friday will decide this point, about which there is so much 'public interest excited both here and in all parts of the country. The town was perfectly quiet last night. Two o'Clock.—There has been no Court of Ma riste rites to.day : they are coniul►itg or examin ing it) private. Mr. [lay arrived last night. THEATRICAL REOISTF.R. Perno-med La.tt A r ik - h . TFTEATRIC ROYAL, HAYMARKET.—InkIe And Yaricn: Mr. Warde ; Patty, Mrs. Gibbs. After which, X. Y. Z. To which was added, A Roland far an Oliver. TisEATItr,RoY.II„ ENGLISH OPErtA HoLISK.—The Brown Man : Principal Characters by Mr. Wrench and Mi-s Kelly. After which, How to Die for Love. To which was added, The Tailors. PRICE OF STOCKS TRts nAv AT 'MEIN?. o'cLoCit. Bank Stock... .. 229 230 India !ltock S per Cent. Red 724 72 India 80nd5...... 12s. 18s. pr. S per Ct. Cons. 7:i 72 7114 a South Sea Stock .. St per Cent .ftii Exch. Biils,2d, Is. dis. 2s: pr. 0 per Cents... . 9Ol 901 90 par r, per Cent. N Ann. tO5 10434 Ditto Commercial,...l3s. dis. Bank L. Ann..... 19 3.l6ths Odiniunt pr. Imp. 3 per Cent. Ann....70i Cons. for Account, 711 72 71i " TO THE NEW-MADE CHRISTIAN." Ts it possible that Priests and people calling them selves Protestants, can thus be ,the subjects of su- perstition—notorious, and much as l value our Establishment, I do lament that such a relict of popery should be retained. I would propose, as so l imendment, to what CLerucus has recoil,- )(led, that children should be dedicated in so lemn prayer unto the Great Supreme, and that their relatives, friends, or guardians be e.dmo nshed to briug them up in the Christian Reli gion, to love the brotherhood, to fear God, to honour the King, and all that are in authority under him. To leave off sprinkling or dipping, or 1-narking the sign - of the Cross—and leave .gut god fathers and god-mothers, repentance, faith, renunciation, anti obedience by proxy, and re gtneration or new birth by Baptism ; and as the children grow up to understand the truths of Re ligion for themselves, believe and walk worthy the Christian name—then let them be baptized should they require it. Thus, Sir, would the ob jections cease, a sad delusion vanish, and we sbUilld be cunsistent with our high profession. W. H. We received this morning the Paris Papers of Tuesday last. The Moniteur contains a Royal Ordonnsoce appointing the Pr.:side:lts of the Elec toral Colleges about to assemble, as follow Departments. Presidents. Aisne Allier Ariege Cantal Charente-Inferieure The Count Lemercier, Peer of France. Doubs Courroisier, Deputy. Eure-et-Lair De Lacroix Frainrille, Advocate. Isere ... ' The Baron Savoye Rollin, Deputy. Marne (Haute-) Mayenne Morhihan Pyrenees (Basses-) Rhin (Bas-) putt'. Seine-Inferieure • The Count Beugunt, Deputy. Tarn the Council-General. Vanelugs The Count d'Augier, Deputy. Vienne ... The Count Mathieu Dumas, Council- (or of State. Garonne (Haute-) . The Baron Gary, Procureur-General to the Royal Court of Toulouse. The following are extracts : " PARIS, AUG. 24.—The Prince de Talleyrand and the Duke de Reggio breakfasted with the King and the Royal Family yesterday morning. His Majesty afterwards transacted business Edith the Marquess Dessollea, and took an airing to Malmaison. " Yesterday the King gave a private audience to his Excellency Mr. It. T. Farquhar, Governor.: General of die Isle of France. " Tuesday evening the King gave a private an (Hence to Marshal the Duke de Tareute. FIVE PER CENTS. Nionday... .71 f. 75 c. DRFERRED STOCK Of the 22d March, 1817, 9l f. 10 c. 22d Sept. 1817, 12.1 Match, 1818, 87 1. 10c. 2211 Sept. IP.IB, B5l. 10 c. Ted March, 1819, B`a —c. " MADRID, AUG. 12 --=An official article, dated the 10 tIA instro 911DOUtICCi the King's intended marriage with the I'ri►►cess ll>ii la Josephine Ante- lia niece of the King of Saxony. " BAYREUTH, AUG. i;).—T-he ' re. is a report of very important arrangements having been agreed upon at Tceplitz, the effect of which will, ere long, be made manifest. " DRESDEN, AUG. 13.—1 t appears, that the Commission appointed at Berlin by order of. the Prince de Hardenberg, to examine with the greatest care all the Papers seized, and other written documents obtained by the Ministry, have made a detailed report to the Prince, and that this examination has produced the most con soling results, there being no man of any influ ence implicated in the secret associations existing in Germany, nor is it the object of these societies to revolutionize Germany. " It is true, as it is said, that there exist presumptions more or less strong against several of the individuals who have been arrested, telto,.e Papers have been seized; hot these pre sumptions are not of a nature that the iudivi dusts can, according to law, be put in a state of accusation. " Thus, the opinion of many impartial per sOns is confirmed, Who thought it next to impos slide, that' a political conspiracy could exist so vast as }hat pretended to have been formed in Germany for the overthrow of the Established Governments, and the forming instead one Central Government. " There are, however, in Prussia, as in other States of Germany, assemblies for political dis cussions, in which the Students mingle." Grest bustle and confusion pervades the Stock Exchange this morning, it being the day for set tling the Acconnts. TWO more defaulters were declared one of them a mat; of some consequence in the City, who is a Bahr to the amount of -E GOO,OOO, Consol3, at t i :vel , e o'clock, were at 711 to Omnium beats no fixed price. We stated yesterday that au examination bad taken place at the flume Department, in conse quence of the outtageohs Letter from Sir FRANCIS BURDETT, addressed to Mr. BROOKS, as Chair man of the Westminster Burdett Committee, and communicated by the latter to some of the Op position Journals.—Mr. BROOKS at this examina tion acknowledged that the Letter was addressed to him, and that he had sent it to the Public Prints ; but declined to give up the original without advice, and solicited time to give a decided answer. He . was allowed to decide this day, but it is said that he is allowed to give his answer on Monday. We heartily agree with The illorrtin Post of this day, that Mr. Beocnts is " an honest fair-dealing man," and we have often regretted, that so respec table an individual should have suffered himself so long to be involved in the trammels of Party. It is not to be supposed, that Sir F. Iin4DIITT Will Starer this Geutleman to be exposed to any diflicol ties on his account, which must be the case, unless lie is permitted by the Baronet to place the (It i gine' Letter in the hands of Government. We arc reluctant to make any comments on the Letter, except to observe, that it is hardly possible that such a Letter could have been published in Ame rica or any Government, however free, with out subjecting the author to notice, if not punish ment. At all events,' it may be considered as very hasty, rash, iiliberal, and unjust, since it must have been written at a time when it must have been impossible for the Author to have obtained an authentic statement of the, wy , !c' pro ceedings atiklanchester, and consequently to know how far the Magistrates and Yeomanry Cavalry were justified hi the measures which they adopted, and since it is abundantly evident that if they had not adopted such measures, the most dread ful cot `Lequences might be expected from the heated imaginations of a vast and most for midable multitude, inflamed as they probably would have been by incendiry Ringleaders, if the Meeting had not dispersed on the approach of the Yeomanry Cavalry. The disasters that happened are deeply to be lamented, but they were inevit able, and mie,ht have been expected to he mach treater, considering the obstinacy, and the bru tal outrages committed by some of the . Mob; and they may be deemed light indeed compared with what would probably have taken place if the flagitious Agitators had been suffered to proceed without interruption, and the Mob bad been de tained till the Orators had worked up their pas sions to the due pitch of Instirrecti t on, Rebellion, and Ifoiversal Havoc. We find, on inquiry', that though time was allow ed to Mr. Bitooics to consider whether he would give up the Author of the Letter, yet we have tint heard that the time has been really extended till Monday, as stated in a Morning Paper. Letters were received yesterday from Cadiz to !he tith instant, and from Madrid to the tildi of May. They slate that the alarm reioectitlg- the plague bad ai a great [measure subsided. M JLI. ilauvEn-1 Dublin, 2 Waterford, I Guernsey and Jersey, I Holland. DuE—l Guernsey and Jersey, 2 Lisbon. HIGH IVA'rEll. AT LONDON 1111IDGR TO.MORROW. N1°1114114 . , 8 n►inutes after 7. I Evening, 33 u►inutes aftur 7. THE SUN. SOLEAI QUIS DILERE FALSII3I AUDEAT ? LOIN:DON, FRIDAY, AUGUST 27, ISI9. Dolor WATSON% We should be quite ashamed of adding 9 IY° h ''' te to the despicable notoriety of this i mfortflot" whose perseverance in politics,Viter . I ‘, escape from legal punishment, seems to ►dicsl desperation' or insanity, if the following Pcite.ri which he has addressed-to the LORD MAYOR, not spew that even his _Lordship's enemies, mies only to his civic virtue, were not O il"- pellet! to do justice to the propriety of his ° a li duct ; nor should we insert the Letter in ( P estio ) if it did not coin "a doe tribute to his zeal 6111 judgment in the protection of the Metiopolis IVedpesday last : • . " Mr Limp—Having taken tire liberty o f address;a,D 4 , Letter to you previously to th e M ee ti n g held ysterd 4 / 0 : 6 4 the Reformers, in Smithfield, requesting to he whether they would be allowed peuer;6lv to asserobicy though I was not favoured with an answer from your ship, I embrace the e a r lj es t o pp ortun ity to req uest 1 - to will accept my thanks in b e h a lf o f m y se lf arid o u l l ' er %, friends, fur the protection you afforded us , bY n presence and excellent conduct of the. Civil rower' on that occasion, which his given another couviociltg practical rout, that the It farmers, however zeal'?" ti % may be in their exertions to obt a i n th e i r Rights, 00er t f must irritating 'and alarming ci rcu last:tilers (the . slaugi)te l r their friends) are still desirous to respect even th e enacted men appointed by the infamous Boroug h k''.'" ct.c o ai and has afforded an unequivocal evidence, that h3d toti ;Manchester Magistrates equally respected them, ur adopted the line of proceeding so praise-wotthilY Pla sued, by you yesterday, the same peaceable results have followed, and the pages of our history W" I ' l I , t ) s • have been stained in recording the font and disastrous '9-00, satire, which issued ft mu the rash and inhuman mei;seresi ~‘it, sued on that calamitous occasion ; and I sincerely tr jst t : t e g i your Lordship's conduct yesterday, as the Chief Al,,strJ of the greatest City iu the Universe, will be an examP le s tt other Magistrates of the United Kingdom, during a e Jr , portant and peaceable struggle the People are nialsiog to tain their Rights. I am, my Lord, Your most obedient Sertant, J. WSO°:" Three King's-court, Fleet-street, Aug. 9.C3, 1919 --PROSECUTION OF Slit F. 11111 D A message was on Wednesday sent t° ,ther BROOKS, of the Strand, the Secretary O ' ol a IVestminster Cwomittee, desiring, his iminlf"'„fi attendance at the Office of the Home Denartlytof BROOKS, attended by his son and °n e n( ' his neighbours, accordingly repaired thithe r, o r al was introduced into a room, where he found 1/),,,;, timuotrrn, the ATTORNEY-GIiNERAL, the Cl4 ; % b ' ef criLLott of the EXCLIEQUER, and soni c °‘: Members of the Administration, seated itt CO saltation. tf,f The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-Mr. Brooks, we hare s e . ri you in consequence of a letter vrlpcii Itas appcafed Pnlilicßifiers, as to the late trans,ictions at M anc lieste r '',' - ot' ett, " Francis Burdett." Was it to yuu that letter . . dressed ? Mr. Bunnßs—Yes. ei ArroaNKy-UENEtiar.-11 , tve you got the original iettol:tic Mr. flaw,K - s—Nlay Ibe pertnittt dto ask the purpo se , ,t inquiry? . s liV, The ATTORNEY GEN IZ 1; A L—The letter is a seditio" t. d i• and our purpose is to i.roiecut c it. Will you give it 01 1 r j e d t l Mr. BROOK) —I am nut at the present mrnen moment. preP' aajvii say whether I will or out. I should like a little Owe" on the subject. The C,,hheil cons,theil Ppgelher. j , ar ,l ATTORNEY4;ENERAL—WiII you'be prepared to g--'4 , . . sv.er to-morrow? tvi Mr. BlomKs—l should like to have till Friday. ArroaNEy-GENEttat.—Well, On Friday Mr. 1 31.°°-5, shall expect your . auswer. Mr—BeooEs then withdrew. cd/ We since learn (says The illonthig, Citr on: r that Mr. BROOKS applied vestetday for time to give the answer which the secreta'ot° State desired with respect to Sir FRAN C° DETT'S lettcr, and we understand that th e ,04 originally granted, and which ‘ TaS only for clays, has been extended until Monday oc % '' The following is a Copy of the Barde lide , J II quisition to the 1-]igt Bailiff to call Meeting.:— tlt 6 TO ARTHUR MORRIS, ESC. HIGH BAILIFF pF CITY AND LIBERTY OF wFsTmiNsTe 3 ". e ir e l " We, the Undersigned Electors of wi estm iw.tcr , tY you to call an early Meeti:mg of the Electors of (It"' C7l ‘ ,f Liberty, to take into their consideration the proprietlidic dressing the PluNcte. REGENT and the Nation on tlw, e e v of the Magistrates and Veutuen towards the 0 , 1 ,1 late Ptildic Alerting at Manchester, held for the P"'l, 3"`i '1; considering the propriety of adopting - the most let•fa i - 000'" fectual means of obtaining a Reform in the Comino°s ut Parliament.' , " it y e ` An answer, such as was desired, has ll' H igh been received ; bat in the event o f the jo ,d Bailiff refusing to call a Meeting, it is tle le"P to hold one without him, on Menday 1 " Xj1 i'alace-vard. • ••••••. THe LORD CHANCELLOR —The more t he - II .0 see of.this venerable Pillar of titc LtW, tie have they reason to revere his 'charact er ' decisions are not histy, bec au se they a re -c oil srientious, nod founded upon inquirY coil sound jtidgment. Nor, ~f! , „ , : }1 t he cast f‘ lig ,e3 attending his important office, is lie ever ';', 511 ; ;;17 0 to indulge himself in the least rdAxat inn ' 1 "; has ally duty to perlorin in the ea Jtht ice. Never Were the (pla ii:i e s of a c .,l ett n - t le• and'upright Judge, and those of the perfect a u-thil mat?, so happily wilted as they axe found ill , truly great ornament of the British Elopire't e tc, Last Hight, at a quarttr before ten °"°•,vett his floyll Highness the PitINCE •iEGEST yfil in'totYn from Ilt; , 4hton. Sa;ii.rttay. `i ° r[fe Highness sets off for I{..4gley-liall, the se' t cL ber e Marquess anti Alarchig.,,ess i,f 111 , 10 , F 0111 3, '‘ r t be he is expected to dine on Suittisi• Fic,r;ecti the PR ll lNce will remain a finillight ; Hir er I io° ,VIII probably visit Clielreu„m, and the 3far c v neV4 Dowager of I)owNsuir.s.. His ithY4lbllili. !fess etterNards returns to to,k-n. Oco-er goes to Sudburne-liall, in Suffolk. 'Flue affability and condescensio n DUCHBqS of Oloucesler, at the Lite Cititial'ijoi• Inent, excited the admitation of t he s li I "% e , 0 0 4. versity ; and she quitted Cambridge in ' l O O 6 sessjon of 'the respect and regard of ver/ who had the happiness to see her, ll 'e oi Pit, th e s likßu 1 9 rt 111 Arri, for \; Vri t 11 5 , 4 4,1 1; '1,11A) D orn Friel ta'%; bn, 4 1.1 r, I‘4tl) :t;id S l lll t. 111