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only 9 cwt., it must be sees Acre is no great cause for alarm from that quarter...—(Cheers.)—The Hon. Gentle man asks me whether it is the intention of Government to take any measures to put a stop to this importation ; but really I think the House must feel that this is hot a sub ject that calls quite so urgently as he represents for interpo sition..—(Cheers,)_The error will be rectified in the pro posed Corn BA ; and as immediate notice will be conveyed, if any thirag worthy of notice should meanwhile occur, the lion. ihntleman may rest assured that no danger can take place. Mr. CURTEIS apprehended, notwithstanding What had fallen front the Right Hon. Gentleman, that a trade to a considerable extent was carried 'On in the manner alluded to. He wished to ask the mot Hon. Gentleman if a seizure of flour had not been made? Mr. C. GRANT had bard nothing of any such sei zure. In fact, the last communication which Government had from the Custom-house on the subject wee a request to know what it would be right to du in the event of the contemplated introduction of flour under such circum stances. The Right Hon. Gentleman had, at the same time, no 01 )ection is granting the return moved for. Mr. CAIRTEIS was understood to ask what was the duty on flour imported from the isle of Man. Mr. C. GRANT believed that that point had not been settled, some difficulty having occurred on the slthjech Sir E. KNATCHBULL thought that the Hen. Mem ber for Sussex bad acted properly in calling the attention of the Government to the matter under discussion. He (Sir E. Knatchbull) wished to ask a 11itt..46011 of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. Notice had been given of the Right Hon. Gentleman's intention to introduce on Friday next that great question which so d reply affected the interests of this country. The Honourable Baronet Vas one of a great number of persons who regretted that so much delay had already taken place. As, flee same time he could not but feel that its introduction. on Friday next, a day on which many of the gentletuen interested iu the discussion would be necessarily aha,ent, must produce great inconvenience. A great number of gentlemen would then be unavoidably absent, and he, therefore, put it to the Right Hon. Gentle man, whets' .r it would not be more expedient to postpone the consideration of the question until after the holidays. After a few words from Mr. CALCKA FT, Mr. FERGUS SON, 74 .12(1 an Hon. Member whose name we could not lear n Mr. CHARLES GRANT was most anxious to abide by the general feeling of the House. Sir J. NEWPORT roseand deprecated bent called upon to vote, but he thought touch good might arise from dis cussion. There was no reason fir precipita .an, hut it would he injurious to • postpone a statement. If thepostponement took place until after the Easter ht!Aidey s, how eras the opinion of the people of Ireland, wi.ose interests were so deeply involved, to be known ? In his opinion the vote of the Hesse might he postponed until after Easter ; but the plan e.hould be developed before..---( Hear.) :sir. Secretary PEEL than the lion. Member (Mr. Fer teusson) for the compliment paid to his Majesty's Government. It was essential to the success of the measure that its detail, bed not reached the public through indirect channels. As 1 53 the advantages of discussion, it was to be considered that tire Corn question was different from all others, as it had 'undergone much discussion already, and the House ` , awl fully informed on the subject. He certainly- objected reo bringing forward the measure, without declaring an opinion on it. In his opinion, the House should have the plan opened and discussed, and express an opinion on the resolutions, tie if there was an overwhelming objection is this course, the measure should be postponed altogether. Mr. BARING was averse to any further delay on a question on which the anxiety of the country was much :alive. If, indeed, what was rumoured wee true, that on this question an important difference of opinion existed ,among his Majesty's Ministers, that might be a good rea. non fur postponing this question until they had agreed among themeelvee to bring forwardsoiue measure. He could lot conceive it possible that the Right Hon. Gentlenere (31r. C. Grant) would listen to the proposition to leave the country during the holidays, without any knowledge 01 what were the intentions of Government.—(Cheers.). This was no trifling questiuu iu some parts of Scotland and Itoland ; nor was it a question that affected one corner of the country only. The wh o l e ki ng d om was exc i ted with regard to it, from one end to the other. So far front acquiescing in the proposition for further delay, h e would take the liberty to ask why this question had been se long delayed already ? He could never consent to a postponement beyond Easter. Such a course would Le trifling with the feelings of the country. It was abso lutely ueeesaary that some interval of time should be allowed eu gather the opinion of the country. That was the towel course in all questions of great public interest. Without more or less previous intimation of the . plans of Govern ment, it would be absurd to call on the House to decide upon them in the first instance, without consulting the opinions of their constituents in different parts of the country. It was quite impossible that the House could proceed in the hasty way of legislation in which the Right Hon. Secretary was urging them. He trusted, there- Ihre, the Right Hon. Gentleman (the President of the Beard of Trade) would bring the question forward on Friday next, and state fully the views of Government. Ile saw no objection to a discussion, though he did nut see many reasons why there should be no vote of the House in point of form. By that course no Hon. Gentle man would be bound to any part of the measure. The snore simple proposition was, that there should be a mere discussion, then a postponement of the Committee till after the holidays. This was the course of proceeding that was constantly followed with regard to measures less important. When he heard the suggestion made by the Hon. Baronet (Sir Edward Knatehbull), lie declared, if it had not proceeded from that quarter—towards which he telt the greatest possible respect—he should have suspected that it was intended to furnish a pretence for the further postponement of the measures—( Hear, hear.) Sir E. KNATCHBULL disclaimed any such intention as the Hon. Gentleman seemed disposed to impute to him. He had never heard of any disagreements in the Govern ment. He received the compliment the Hon. Gentleman had paid him; but while he gratefully acknowledged the obligation, he felt it was insidiously impaired by the pus eible suspicion to which his conduct had beets subjected. Mr. BARING assured the Hun. Baronet that he felt the great personal respect he had declared for him, and he thought he had made himself so understood, when he sail that the suspicion he would have felt was completely re• moved by the Hon. Baronet's character... Mr. fiENETT was very desirous that, in some way or other, the Right, Hon. Gentleman should declare the in tentions of Government before the holidays: In every part of the country great anxiety prevailed, and it was much to be wished that Members might have the opportunity of the recess to consult their constituents. Mr. C. GRANT said, that after what had passed, he should bring forward the question on Friday next. The Returns were then ordered. Sir E. KNATCHBULL having presented a petition from the Maltsters of Ramsgate and Margate, against the Malt Act, asked the Right Hen. Gentleman (Mr. Grant) what was the precise nature of the course he intended to pursue on the Corn Question. Mr. C. GRANT answered, that he should allow his mo tion to remain as it stood at present. On Friday., having ex plained and submitted his resolutions to the House, he should propose that they he voted in that shape, and then move fir leave to bring ha a Bill founded on them. Sir E. KNATCHfiULL declared his iutention of usin every form of the House to oppose the measure. Mr. Secretary HUSKISSON contended, that his Right Hon. Friend's mode of proceeding was not at all unfair; on the contrary, it was the regular course. If the resolu tions should puss, then they might be shaped (according to custom) into a Bill, and that be reported and printed; but that course sysuld by no means bind the House to carry the gill through its ultimate stages. As to post poning the exposition, he could nut hut think that if the Parliament followed such a course, they would play the part of children, and look as if they were afraid of stating their intention s to the public. M. W. RIDLEY thought that the real of his Hon. Friend the Memb er for Kent, in behalf of the agricultural interest, had carried him a little too far; because it was ely the interest of all parties concerned, that the discus sion of such a question as this should come on as soon as pc.3s ibl e .—(Hear.) Mr. HEATHCOTE then moved for a return of the total number of ships whi-h had passed the Sound during ' the eear 1827, distinguishing the countries to which the same belonged.--(Ordered.) INDEPENDENCE OF GREECE. Sir R. WILSON said he had some questions to put to the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary for the Home Department, en a subject of importance. On the first day of the Session the House received an assurance, in his Majesty's Speech, that it was intended. to carry into foil effect the Treaty of the 6th of July, for the pacifica. tion of Greece. Various other assurances of a similar nature had also been given ; but now circumstances had arisen which rendered it necessary for him to call upon his Majesty's Government to make a decla ration of the course of policy which they meant to pursue. The manifesto issued by the Turks, being of a hostile nature, rendered it necessary for the Russians to make a declaration that the truce (for it teas only a truce), which existed between both countries, in virtue of the Treaty of Ackerman, was now at an end. Russia, without entertaining soy ambitious views, teas there- fore obliged to vindicate her own honour, and would oc cupy the principalities in her own defence.. At such a moment as this, it wa-s consequently most desirable that the Treaty of the 6th of July should he carried into effect, to prevent Russia from any pretext of pUshing her army into the Grecian territory. There were sinister reports abroad—reports which were founded on the jealousies of some and the envy of when. He alluded to those who would wish to See the heinibr of England sullied. There was, beaideta anothel• class of politicians, who, being in the interest of their barbarian friends, thought that the Treaty a the 6th of July was intended only for the partition of Turkey in Europe, instead of being entered into for the real object, which was to secure the political existence of that Power. All these parties wished to misrepresent facts, and he now wished to know from the Right Hon. Gentle man, with re f erence to t h e fi rst question, whether his Majesty' s Government intended to enforce the Treaty, notwithstanding any recent circumstances that might have occurred. He had two questions to put to the Right Hon. Gentleman, and he much desired to know whether, after the battle of Navarin, orders were sent out to our Naval Commander in the Mediterranean to prevent the introduc tion of supplies and military stores into the Mores on the part of the Turks? And the second question was, whether, with the knowledge of our Government, any women or children were sent off as slaves from the Marco to Egypt ? Mr. Secretary PEEL—I am sure, Sir, the Honourable Gentleman will excuse me if I attempt to separate those parts of his speech which amount to direct questions from those which amount rather to commentaries than to questions. The first question, as I understand it is, whether or no his Majesty is disposed to adhere to the declaration which he made to his Parliament on the first day of their assembling for the present Session, with respect to his adherence to the engagements entered into on the part of this country by the Treaty of the 6th of July last ? Without shaping my ex planation to the wide terms in which• this question was pro pounded, namely, " without allowing any circumstances whatever to interfere to prevent his Majesty's persevering in his efforts for the pacification of Greece," my answer is shortly this, that there has been no change whatever in the determination of his Majesty to do every thing in his power to curry into effect the Treaty of the 6th July. • But, Sir, when the Honourable Gentleman asks toe whetherhis Ma jesty will allow any circumstances whatever to interfere with his views on this question, it is really impossible for me to give a definitive answer to an inquiry so hypothetical in it self, and so exclusive of all possible contingencieS which may hereafter arise. Ido reply, that no change whatever has taken place in the King's desire and intention to do all that in his power lies to give effect to the stipulations of this treaty. The Hon. Gentleman has pointedly referred to certain changes which he assumes to have taken place in the respective relations of Russia and Turkey. It will be sufficient for me to state, that no information has reach ed this country as to any such actual change in those re lations, or as to any actual declaration of war having been put forth by Russia against Turkey, or as to any act of hos tility that has altered the relations in which she stood towards that Power by the Treaty of the Gth of July, subsequent to the battle of Navarin. Whatever the lion. Gentleman's apprehensions may he, until some specific information on this subject shall have reached his Ma. jesty's Government, he will, I am sure, agree with me, that I cannot be prepared, as a Minister of the Crown, to answer any questions which may be put to me in respect of it.—(Hear.)—The second question of the Hon. Gentle man is, whether or no orders have been issued for contizitt ing the blockade of these ports of the Morea which are at present occupied by Turkish or Egyptian forces. Previous to the battle of Navarin joint instructions were issued by the Allied Powers to the Admirals commanding the com bined squadron co institute a blockade of such ports in the Mores as were occupied by Turkish or Egyptian forces for the purpose of preventing the arrival of any rein forcements or military stores end supplies. After the battle of Navariii, those instructions continued to remain in full force, and I have to state that the attention of the 1 Admirals so in command of the combined squadron, has been since recalled to the saute instructions. As to the cir cutnStance of a part of the Greek population being removed out of the Morea or the purpose of being employed aa slaves elsewhere, within the Ottoman dominions, I have no hesitation in saying, that previously to the treaty of the 6th of July, and signing of the protocol by the Duke of Wellington, information, though certainly not of a very definite character, had reached this country, of the in tention of Ibrahim Pacha to remove a part of that popu lation, especially females and children, from the Mores to Egypt, with, a view to convert them into slaves in the latter country. Now, before either that Treaty or the Protocol had been executed, an intimation, I am enabled to say, had been transmitted to Ibrahim Paella, that his Majesty never could acquiesce in the execu tion of so violent and extreme a measure, nor tolerate . such a violation of the rights of the Greek subjests of the Porte, if subjects they were—that his Majesty deemed the proceeding to be utterly opposed to the usages ob served by all civilized nations in carrying on war—that lie protested against this forcible expatriation of women and children—and finally, that his Majesty never would permit such an attempt to be carried into execution, and would be prepared to resist to the uttermost, an outrage so opposed to the law of nations and the laws of huntanity.—(Loud Cheers.) Lor'd discount .MORPETH expressed his great satisfac tion at the statement of the Right Hon. Gentleman, and . congratulated his Majmy's Government upon the becoming tone which tiny had adopted on this subject. Here the conversation ended. OFFICE OF WORKS. Sir J. GRAHAM rose for the purposeof requiring some information with respect to the object of a motion made by the Hon. Member for Dorsetshire (Mr. Bankes) between twelvb and one o'clock on Saturday morning. The Hon. Member, on that occasion, moved for a select committee to inquire into the state of the public buildings in the de partment of the Office of Works, and into the application of part of the land revenue of the Crown, under certain statute•. He (Sir J. Graham) certainly expected, if the HMI. Member thought tit to make such a motion at such an hour, that he would, however briefly, have stated the reason which induced him to bring it forward, and which led him to institute such an inquiry. His surprise was therefore very great, when the Hon. Member made his mo tion, without assigning a single reason for it, or pointing out the precise object which he had in view. He (Sir J. G.) certainly was of opinion, that this subject would na turally come under the inquiry of the finance committee. The Finance Committee was formed with the greatest pos sible impartiality,—it enjoyed the confidence of the public, —and the country expected, that by looking narrowly into abused, it would produce results of a very beneficent nature. In those hands he thought that inquiry should have been placed, and he was prepared to contend against any change in the tribunal before which the investigation ought to take place. It would be invidious to anatomize very minutely the materials of which the Hon. Member's select Committee was constituted. But he would say this, that four of the members placed on it, either by the offices they held at pre sent, or by their recent connection with office, were fairly open to a peremptory challenge.—(Hear.)—The Hon. Member had said that the Committee was not constituted for the purpose of inquiring into the money expenditure, but that it was only to inquire into the style of architec ture adopted in the repair and erection of palaces, and to consider whether any trees had been improperly cut down by Mr. Nash. He certainly congratulated the Honourable Member, and Master of the Mint, on the escape which they bad made from the Finance Com mittee, by undertaking what be might call the trifling labour* of the Select Committee, for which the Honour able Membef had moved. Ile, however, feared that the Master of the Mint and the Chief Commissioner of Woods and Forests, backed by the majority of this Committee, would. extend the inquiry, and force the Committee against the better judgment of the Hon. Member, and of other Gentlemen who were placed on it, to go into the question of expenditure. They might take a glance at that sub-. ject, to stifle a more rigorous inquiry before the Finance Committee itself. A favourable report might be given as to the expenditure, and, in consequence of that alight the• subject might be overlooked by the Finance Committee. Now he wished to guard against this. He was desirous that the subject should be left in the hands of the Finance Committee, and that it should not beieafter be urged, as a reason for not submitting it to the investi gation of the Finance Committee, that an imperfect in quiry had already taken place before an unfit committee. —(Hear.)—Perhaps the 'Hon. Member would this night have the kindness to state that which he had omitted on the former occasion. He would, perhaps, state what limits were to be laid down for the labours of this se lect Committee; and it would be satisfactory also if his Majesty's Ministers would declare what their views of this case were. Hereafter, 111 hoped, notwith- standing what, might be done by the Select Commit tee, that the Finance Commi'tee would inquire into the whole subject—that they would inquire into the whole question of the woods and forests department, and also into the expenditure ofo:be Crown for the building of pa laces. They, as representatives of the people, were bound to see that those matters were submitted to the considers- tion of the Finance Committee.—(Hear.) Mr. BANKES said, if he had known that the Hon. Baronet wished for any explanation, he would most wil lingly have satisfied him on Friday night. But as neither the lion. Baronet, nor any other lion. Member, had ex pressed such a wish, be had not deemed it necessary to give one, The lion. Baronet said that he had spoken honestly and fairly ; but after listening with great attention to what had fallen from the Hon. Baronet, he could not at all see what the object was fur which the Hon. Baronet wished him to give an answer. He (the Hon. Baronet) seemed to complain of his (Mr. Bankes's) having taken a particu lar subject out of the hands of the Finance Committee. Was that the matter of which the Hon. Baronet com plained ? and if so, could it be considered a fur ground of complaint ? Why, he would ask, was the Finance Com-. mittee to embrace every subject of inquiry before the House ? Was it not competent to any and every Member of Parliament to take up any particular subject, if he thought it could in any other way be more fairly agitated than it could be before the Finance Committee? Did the Hon. Bart. know what a mass of business was at present be fore the Finance Committee? Was he aware that it would be with the utmost difficulty that they would be able, in the present Session, to get through their inquiry into that pressing object of immediate necessity, the expenditur e of the country? Looking at the estimates and the expendi ture, if they could get over that branch of inquiry during the present Session, they would have discharged a most arduous and difficult duty. He was not at all aware that• the subject to which his motion referred would come be fore that committee. He did not think that they would have time to entertain it before the next Session of Par liament. The Hon. Baronet had objected to the manner in which the committee was constituted, and there seemed to be a sort of oblique insinuation thrown out against him (Mr. Bankes) personally, as if he had moved for the com mittee under false pretences, for the purpose of screening some particular persons.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—What purpose had he to answer,—what advantage was lie likely to receive in moving for this committee? What benefit would it be to him to screen persons who w ere guilty,—which, by the way, he did not believe the persons alluded to were? On other occasions, he hail taken the liberty of bringing subjects of this kind before the House, and no reproach had been cast on him in consequence, Th e Hon. Baronet asked what was the object of the Commit tee. He would state fairly, that there were two principal views connected with the formation of theeConimittee, one related to the public expenditure, and the other to national taste. Both were fitting objects for the consideration of Parliament. If they saw a large expenditure going en for the purpose of ornamenting the country, surelyit was worthy of the House to see that it was applied to proper purposes. It was not, he contended, a trifling or a useless labour, to preserve the character of the country for taste, by bringing these subjects under the consideration of the House.— They ought to take care that the character of the -country for taste was not inferior to that which it possessed in the times that had gone before them. Surely, the subject of their public buildings ought to be brought nnder the attention of Parliament. Before now, buildings demanding a large expenditure had been undertaken wholly unknown to that Home, . and had never been brought under its notice until a large expence had been incurred. They had known 30,0001. or 40,0001. to be spent, in the first instance, without the cognizance of the House, and then they were obliged to go on and accomplish the work.—(Hear.)—The House had been kept too much in the dark on this point. Let them look to the Custom-house. No less a work than that went on, and the House was not informed of it until the foundations were laid ; and they knew how they were laid. That was one of the reasons which induced him to bring this subject before a Select Committee. The Hon. Baronet argued that the subject ought to go before the Finance Committee. Now he begged to observe, that %the Select Committee would not take away any portion of his labours from the Finance Committer. He should still at tend to his duty there. In the list of hi persons who com posed the Select Committee, there were several who were not on the Finance Committee, and whose employ ment could not interfere with the business of that Com mittee ; therefore that objection was good for nothing. The attention of the Committee would be directed to the propriety and necessity of beginning additional works, and he believed that, without adding the consideration of such a question to the labours of the Finance Committee, those who composed it would find that they hid very little sur plus time to dispose of. It would be for the select com mittee to consider how far certain works had been proper and necessary, and how far it would be -right to put a stop to any of the plans now iu progress. The Acts to which be had alluded would be particularly. examined by the Committee. They might be well-framed or ill-framed ; awl if the latter, it was necessary that they should he amended. Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, as allusion had been made to him, it became necessary for him to state -that he had nothing to do with the formation of this Committee, but he would, as head of the Woods and Forests Department, do every thing in his power to give effect to this inquiry. Sir J. YORKE was very glad he had heard the speech of his Hon. Ft lend, because if he happened to say any thing unpleasant on the subject, it would be understood that lie did not mean to apply it to his Hon. Friend or to the Hon. Baronet, or indeed to any gentleman in particular. But. t did appear to him to be very extraordinary, that after they had been toll that it was not likely that the Finance Committee would terminate their labours this session, his Hon. Friend should have abducted or subtracted six mem bers from that Committee. With all the ingenuity which, his Hon. Friend was in the habit of displaying,• lie (Sir J. Yorke) did not think lie could be able to get out of this dilemma. An Huneorable :Member opposite (Mr. Hutne) very properly suggested, on the appointment of the Com mittee, that they should subdivide themselves into 10 Com mittees, in order that the House might receive a report from each of these ten sections during the present session—and that the public might quickly be put into possession of an account of the manner in which the public money was spent. If this suggestion had been attended to, the committee would have discharged their functions more speedily and more effectually. As to the public buildings, they were certainly time hobbies of his lion. Friend— (Hear, arid a laugh)—and no doubt he presided over their direction very judiciously ; but then his Hon. Friend had a manner which was directly against economy,—for he was in the habit of saying, " I don't like the buildinb you have erected here; take it down, and put up another."-- He was therefore sorry that there had been no explanation of the reasons for abducting, as lie called it, six Members from the Finance Committee. Mr. BANKES did not think that there ought to have been so much complaint because four names had been selected from the Finance Committee. It ought to be re collected that the committee for which he had moved would. only sit on two or three days in the week, when the Finance Committee were not sitting. Mr. R. COLBORNE obsereed, that when they saw new buildings rising en each side of them—when they saw those encroachments which were daily being made upon the park, it was high time that there should no longer be any doubt as to the intention of Government.— He had seen numbers of trees railed round, and it ap peared to him to beintended to cut them down. Hethought these were fair objects for the investigation of a committee. It was true that the Treasury Board might do :this, but then they hail very little leisure to bestow upon such sub jects, and he bad never known-a Chancellor of the Exche quer in that House who did not pray to be released from this duty. lie therefore thought it highly necessary that a committee should be appointed flue eye purpose of re straining and checking the extravagant expenditure of public money on these purposes. " • Mr. A. ELLIS wished to take this opportunity of put ting a question or two to the First Commissioner of Woods and Forests. The one related to the encroachments in the Park, which the Hon. Member whO spoke last haridverted to. First, he wished to know whether it was intended to cut down the north row of trees in the Mall in St. James's Park? It would be in the recollection of the House, that in answer to a question which came from that side of the House last session, it was affirmed that Government would keep to the same intention it originally held of not remov ing those trees. He owned that he had lately entertained great doubts upon this subject, from perceiving the railing which had been placed round the trees, and which was a most extensive and offensive encroashinent.—(Hear, hear.) He had, indeed, understood that Mr. Nash, the architect, intended to raise a bank covered with shrubs, in order to hide the dead wall which he (Mr. Nash) thought, and which he (Mr. A. Ellis) admitted to be, an unseemly object. But, if that were all that was in view, the railing ought to have been on the north side, and the benefit of the shade of the trees given to the public.—(Hear, hear.) _lt was rumoured, too, that Mr. Nash had said that Parliament did not sit all be year round, and it would be seen what would be done wheri Parliament was not sitting. The other question was, whether there was to be au opening into St. James's Park, • - opposite the end of Waterloo-place ? That there should be a loot-way entrance here was so natural and evident an itn- provement, that he should not have put the question if it had net been rumoured that Mr. Nash did not wish there to be any such opening. Mr. ARBUTHNOT denied any responsibility on the score of the execution of the plans for the improvements in the Park : for though they were sent to his office, yet they were proceeded on after he left it. H e w as , how ever, assured that there was no such intention as had been __ --- anticipated, of c u tti ng d own th e trees i n t h e M a ll. - He had the other day felt it necessary to send for Mr. Nash and question him upon the subject ; and both from the Government and Mr. Nash he had received the must posi tive assurances that it was not intended to cut down the trees. It bad been by the express command of his Ma. jesty, that a public carriage-road had ken made from Pimlico to Storey's-gate, and that part of the park in which the cattle grazed opened to the public.—(Cheers.)— When he recited on the King with the plans, his Majesty, putting his finger on the place, said, " It is my wish that all that open part should be given to the public."-- (Cheers). —In a won!, there was every.diaposition to con sult the convenience of the inhabitants of the metropolis. Wills respect to the other question of the Hon. Member, he was bound in candour to say, that no such opening as that he had mentioned appeared on the plans which he (Mr. Arbuthnot) saw. Mr. HERRIES said it Was he who, last year, as Se cretary to the Treasury, answered the question last alluded to by the Hon. Member (Mr. A. Ellis.) Lie then stated that it was the intention of Government to act accord ing to the plans, and not to destroy any of the trees in the Mall, with the exception of one tree which was situated in the line of the wall. At that time a plan of the nature of the alterations was land before the. House, and that plan, as liir as he knew, had not been al tered. So recently as yesterday, he had asked the archi tect if he thought that any latitude, in respect of depart ing from the plans, had hem given him, and the architect said, " No ;" and added, that it was not his intention to make any alteration in the plans. While on his legs, he might perhaps be allowed to allude to the abduction, as it had been called by some Members, of the Finance Com mittee—an abduction, he must observe, altogether un sought for by them, and made without their consent. But he did not think that that abduction ought to appear at all inconsistent or absurd to the Hon. Baronet, even from his own reasoning. - For, as this part of the public expendi ture was to be brought under the consideration of the Finance Committee, surely that Committee would he the better prepared to deal properly with it, if a. few of their Membeis were employed in investigating and arranging the subject for the consid e ration of all of them. He did not think any detriment could possibly ensue from the Com mittee being preceded in their labours by the labours of a kw Gentlemen selected from among themselves. With respect to the word " suspicious," he did not know in What sense the Hon. Baronet meant to apply it to him (Mr. }ferries) and the three others selected with him. If the Hon. Baronet meant to say that because he was so closely connected with Government he should take steps to cloak or conceal any part of the system—if the Hon. Baronet supposed him capable of going into any committee to which he should be appointed by that House, to be instrumental in crushing or misleading the inquiries of such C o mmitt ee the Hon. Baronet imputed to him—and he thought he might answer for the other three as well as himself—con duct of which he was totally incapable, and which lie re pelled with all the strong feelings de person who felt him self unjustly accused. Mr. N. CALVERT, as we understood him,. said that the wooden bridge iii the Park had been a great conve nience to the northern and western parts of the metropolis, and asked if there was any thing substituted for it? Mr. ARBUTHNOT .did not find any thing of the kind in the plans. Mr. Alderman WOOD wished to know if it were in tended that Members of Parliament should have the use of the new road in the Park, in coming down to the House? Mr. ARBUTHNOT thought he 'had already answered that question when he stated that there was to he a public road from Pimlico to Storey's-gate.—(Hear, and a laugh.) Sir J. GRAHAM was extremely glad to hear what had fallen from the First Commissioner of Woods and Forests. The Right Hon. Gentleman, Mr. Herrics, however, bad totally misunderstood his observations. He had to assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that he had no intention of saying any thieg that was at all disrespectful of him, and he (Sir J. Graham) was sorry the Right Hon. Gentleman had thought he had.—The motion was then agreed to. WAYS AND MEANS. The House having resolved itself into a Committee, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in agreeing to the vote which be was about to propose, the House would not pledge itself to any opinion whatever.— With this observation be merely propaoed calling on the House to vote for the appropriation of the sum of 2,164,0001., which would be paid by the trustees of naval and military pensions on the sth of April and the 6th of July. On the motion being put, Mr. CALCRAFT said until the Finance Committee made their report the House could do nothing. He did, how ever, regret that now that the Finance Committee had been sitting for five weeks, they hail presented no statement by which the public accounts could be made more intelligible, and by which it could be shown how they would vary on the 6th of July next, when they were to begin a sew year with an additional burden. All they had had was one re port. which, as it would be discussed hereafter, he would say nothing about now. He must confess that a night o r ttwo ago an Hon Baronet near him had alarm e d him res pe c t ing the course which the Finance Committee were to adopt. The Hon. Baronet had said that though they had an annual expenditure of 50,000,0001., yet so much of it was dis posed of in fixed payments, that the Finance Committee would only have 19,000,0001. or 20,000,0001. to deal with, and that these) 9,090,000/. or 20,000,000/. were absorbed in our establishments which were then under the consideration of the Committee, in order that they might see what reduc tions could be made in them. Now this was all very good. 'But then the income which was raised from the pockets of the people was 58,000,0001., and by some means 8,000,000/. were deducted before they arrived at that net income of b 0,000,000/. Whatever difference there was between their gross and net income, which he stated to be 8,000,0001., ought to be narrowly sifted and examined by the Finance Committee.—(Hear, hear.)..---He therefore gave his Hon. Friend a mass of 27,000,0001. to deal with, where his Non. Friend thought he had only 19,000,0001. He recollected hearing, some years ago, when Lord Cas tlereagh was Minister in that House, that a proposition was made to Lord Liverpool, of uniting the Boards of Customs and Excise, and that it was said that by this union 1,500,0001. a year would be saved. He did not mean to pledge himself that it was true that such a saving could lie made, or to say that it would be right to unite the two Boards, but a person perfectly acquainted with the Customs and Excise, made the proposition to Lord Liverpool, who was inclined to attend to it, and Lord Castlereagh put it aside for a reason which he (Mr. Calcraft) did not think it proper to mention then. At those two Boards there were thirty-four Commissioners and As sistant Commissioners, and he did think this an immense body of persons to transact the business of the Boards and that a very gre►t reduction might be made.— He was glad to hear the explanation given respecting the other Committee, because he thought that it rose out of a schism in the Finance Committee. At the same time, after the explanation bad been made, he had heard no solid reason assigned for appointing that Committee ; for if four or five of the most active Members of the Finance Com mittee could be spared, then it was clear that the Finance Committee could have sat oftener. He thought the Hon. Member for Montrose was right in his proposition for the appointment of several Committees. However, all he meant to say was, that these 8,000,0001. which dropped between the cup and the lip, were paid by the people, but swallowed up in the expense of collection and other pay ments, ought to undergo a most minute and detailed exami nation ; and he did hope that, before Easter, they should have from the Finance Committee a much more clear state ment of the pitblic accounts than was presented in what was called the balance sheet. Sir I. YORKE wished to ask his Right Hon. Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer), who he knew was not like Mr. Pitt, a heaven-born tninister,—indeed, his Right Hon. Friend came into office without knowing much more .than that two and two made four—(hear, and laughter)— or at all events knowing very little about Treasury affairs —(loud laughter)—he wished to ask his Right Hon. Friend, who be was sure would not take upon himself the heaven-born line of conduct, whether in his opinion Mr. Fin!Dyson, that modern Cocker, as he called him, had taken very exaggerated views on this subject? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that really alter the compliment . his Hon. and Gallant Friend had paid him, he did not see how he (Sir J. Yorke) could expect him to be able to give any opinion on the mass of figures which Mr. Finlayson had laid before them. To the best of his judgment, however, he was satisfied that the system had produced a loss to the country. With respect to what had fallen from the Hoe. Member (Mr. Caleraft) opposite, it must be evident to the House, that no Member of the Finance Committee could tell the course which the Committee had adopted or intended to adopt. But he could assure the lion. Member that the Finance Commit tee had never, in the reductions they contemplated, lost eight of the charges of collecting the revenue. Sir J. NEWPORT did not know how it was pc:sible for the Finance Committee to do more than they were „. - doing. Sir AI. W. RIDLEY said, that the charge of 8,000,000/. consequent upon collecting the revenue, had not escaped the notice of the Finance Committee. Mr. CALCRAFT observed, that the ,Finance Com mittee, though no doubt selected with great judgment, would not be the worse for being reminded of particular duties as it proceeded. Mr. BARING bore testimony to the constant exertions of the Finance Committee, and particularly to those of the Hon. Chairman, whose attention to its business was un remitting. Mr. HUME said that the money named in the:vote was money to be received from the Bank in the way of loan, and he eutiiely objected to applying borrowed money to the support of the Sinking Fund. The statement of the Right Hon. Secretary a few nights ago, had shown that at most there was only a surplus of 50,0001, applicable to the redemption of the debt. He believed that there was no surplus at all, but a deficiency rather, to three times the amount of 50,0001. ; but at all events he thought it would be better to wait and see whether the Finance Committee did not pronounce the whole Sinking Fund a delusion. He was rather disposed to move, as an amendment, that the money in question should not be carried to the account of the Consolidated Fund, but used to take up part of our unfunded debt. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the suspension of the appropriation of this money would not alter the arrangement relative to the Sinking Fund ; but it would deprive the Government of supplies wanted for the purposes of immediate necessity. Mr. HERRIES said, that the 2,000,0001. in question were not intended peculiarly for the redemption of public debt ; the money was wanted for the common services of the year. The Hon. Alember was mistaken, when he said that the statement of his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary for the Home Department, a few nights since, showed an actual surplus applicable to the uses of the sinking fund of only 50,000/. The Hon. Gentleman had looked only at one side of the account—the amount of income : he forgot that in the estimate; of expenditure there bad been a re duction of 1,200,0001. The surplus depended upon the comparison of these totals together. For the 2,000,0001. again, which were the subject of the present vote, they must be taken into the public account, and must be placed to the credit side of it. lie therefore still contended that we had a surplus of 3,000,0001. at our command. Mr. HUME said that the 2,000,0001., to whatever purpose they might be applied, were so mush money bor. rowed, and the actual expenditure of the last year had exceeded the income. • Mr. HERRIES explained. Sir J. WROTTESLEY protested against the continu ance of the.sinking fund. The vote•was then carried without a division. LIFE ANNUITIES' REPEAL BILL. those many risks to which they would be exposed by pur chasing from privat e i n di v id ua l s .. I t was unneoessati , him to point out the description of persons to whom sue" annuities were extremely desirable, or to describe -theme ), practices with respect to grants of annuities in Loneby which prop er ty, o ft en t h e sav i ng of a long life of ta' dustry, was sacrificed, and many families thus brought to ruin. Considerations founded on a knowledge of th e existence of such practices indu ce d th e * G overnmen t al , that day to adopt the plan of granting annuities for life or for a term of years. Mr. Perceval, then Chancellor 01 the Exchequer, thought the plan extremely desirable ;• 1 13 1 some of the most intelligent men of that day were direct!' to make out tables, on which the value of the annuities was to be calculated. It was considered, that in acountry where the public stock or debt might be considered as a sort of interminable annuity, it would be extrernelyuseful, under the circumstances he had mentioned, that a part of it should be appropriated as terminable annuities, terminable with lives, or at a given number of years. There was this differ ence between annuities so granted and those purchased from annuity offices, that while in the latter a profit WO expected to be derived by those who granted the annuity , the Government sought no profit from the grant, and made it solely from the consideration of its advantage'? that class of the community to which be bad alluded. The calculations were made from the best data thsit Could be then furnished, but it was found that some, peybar tbe,majority, of the lives on which the annuities had bin so granted, were longer than the ordinary average of WO and some loss was derived to the public in consequence ; but lie owned he was astonished at the misrepresentation which had gone abroad on this subject, and that it should be gravely stated that the public had sustained a loss of 400,000/. on annuities, the whole amount of which did not exceed 610,0001. ; thus making the loss atnount to two-thirds of the whole. Some extraordinary delusion must have existed on this subject, which could have gives rise to such statements. Ile concurred with the Hon. Member tbr Wareham, that it would be better to swepd the operation of the act for a time, but he thought it would be highly prejudicial to a large class of the comma' nity if the plan were given up altogether . . . e The Order of the Day being moved for the further con- Mr. A. BARING admitted that the ,. _principl e of the sideration of the Report on the Life Annuities' Repeal Bill, Annuity Act was one very beneficial to the public, if the Mr. CALCRAFT wished to know whether there was calculations on which they were sold were properly made. any objection to producing the letter of Mr. Finlayson. He One word as to Mr. Finlayson's statement. Mr. Finlaysoo thought that it would be advantageous if it were laid before said that the public were losing about 8,000/. a meek by the House. the annuities granted under this Act. That gentleman, he The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER personally' apprehended, must have taken a week in which a large had no objection to the production of the letter; but sum was taken out. It was not extraordinary that there thought there were reasons why it would be better not to should be a loss of 8,0001., or the value of one year l lay it before the House at present. purchase on the amount taken out. In one part of the Mr. CALCRAFT wished, in that case, that the law had calculations it appeared to hint as if Mr. Finlayson had only been suspended until time was taken for consideration, not taken into consideration the interest of the money paid instead of repealed. by the purchaser of the annuity, and what it would amount Mr. HERRIES concurred in the suggestion for sue- to in a given time. If he had, the advantage to the par" pending the Act, but whether suspended or repealed, it chaser or the loss to the public would not be so great as would amount to the same thing ; for the repeal would b e was stated. How e v er , th a t th e p u bli c h a d sustained a lova on the understanding that it was to continue only till new on the transfers under the Annuity Act, there could bents tables could be prepared. He would now beg to add a doubt. few words in justification of some Hon. individuals n-he Mr. HUAIE said that Mr. Finlayson's calculations had had been subjected to very seriuns misrepresentation with been made on the fairest grounds. He therefore had not reference to this Act. It appeared front a letter, alluded merited the charge made against him by the Right Hon• to in that House, and very extensively commented upon Gentleman (Mr. Herries.) elsewhere, that a loss had been sustained by the public, Mr. IJERRIES (across the table) denied that he bad amounting to about 8,0001. a-week, on the annuities sold made any charge whatever against Mr. Fiulayson. - under this Act ; and that loss b a d b een attributed to want Mr. HUME said that he (Mr. Fi n l a y son ) h a d not de of due attention to the interests of the public, in not j served any. He hail been directed to make a calealafeon having some such measure as the present proposed some of 15,000 lives, their ages, and average duration. H e had years ago, when the matter was brought under the con- I done so. His work was a work of figures, and he did not sideration of the Treasury. A Noble Lord (Bexley) deserve blame fur exaggeration, for he expressed no opinion had been the first person blamed for this omission. Now one way or the other. As to the letter sent to the Taeao he would begin by discharging that Nobk Lord from sury, he could state that g reat remissness must have exist blame altogether. The letter was received by him (Mr. ed somewhere on this subject, fur it was a fact that in the Berries) on the 30th of April, 1827, five years after that same year (1819) in which Mr. Finlayson's first.letter was Noble Lord had quitted the office of Chanc e llor of t h e te e _ I wr itt en , a similar representation had been transmitted to chequer. As to Lord Goderich, who was Chancellor of Government from the same quarter, and he (Mr. Hume) the Exchequer at the time the letter was received, he was had no doubt that on inquiry it would be found that blame equally free from blame ; and he (Mr. !ferries) was glad would be to be attached in some quarter for negligence co the production of the letter had been moved for, as it this point. would be seen by it that the respectable individual by Mr. P. THOMSON ruse only to correct an error into whom it was written (whom he admitted to be an ee- which it appeared to him that the Right lion. Gentleman tremely clever man, and an excellent authority on that (the Secretary for the Colonies) bad fallen, in a statement subject) had announced that he would prove his statement i he made to disprove the accuracy of Mr. Finlayson's cacti' by tables which lie was then preparing, but which were lotion. The Right Hon. Gentleman said, that it was tor not at that time ready. So that the proof of his statement possible that the calculation could be correct, because a logs was to come after, and, in fast, they were not yet before of 8,0001. per week was declared to have taken place, or' the Treasury. But those to whom the letter was addressed upwards of 400,0001. per annum,—being two-thirds 81 were aware of the nature of the loss, and that it did not the whole annuities. Now the Right Hon. Gentleman had depend on the continuance of the act, but arose from an- made a mistake between capital and interest. Mr. Finlay.. nuities already granted (and which could not be taken son stated the loss to the public to be 8,000/. per week, or away), being on lives which turned out to be longer than 400,0001. per annum, capital, not interest ; and that might the usual average. Any alteration in, or even the repeal of, very well be. , the act could make no difference to the public with r es pe c t Th e report was.tben agreed to, and the Bill ordered to to those annuities, and for this reasom—that when be read a third time to-morrow. ee he observed, with illinisters, that it should then be brought ee. the funds rose a b ove 80, th e p urc haser of the an- STAMP DUTIES BILL' unity could not . get any advantage front the diffe- On the moti on o f Mr. HERRIES, this Bill w as coin hence above that p r i ce . Th e price was above 80 at th e mitt e d. . Th e am endments were agreed to w ith out di scus . time the l e tt er was wr itt en , so th a t the - T reasury could 91011, and the report ordered to be received to-mo rrow . wait without an y d anger o f loss to the public, un til th e POLL LN CITIES AND BOROUGHS BILL . , e tables were ready, and there was even a comp e n sa ti ng Colonel DAVIES postponed th e f urt h er cons id erat i on o f pewee in the high price against any loss that might have . the report of this Bill till M on d ay, w i t h t h e un d erstan di ng , been. sustained before. He hoped, therefore, he had said enough to show that Lords Bexley, amid Godericii, and , on early. Mr. Canning were quite blameless as to the delay, for 1 EAST RETFORD DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL. nothin g could be done until the tables were ready. Enough j Mr. TENNYSON would postpone the further conaide he trusted, had been said in their vindication from the i ration of' this Bill till Monday next. blame which had been most unjustly thrown upon them, ' Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN thought the best thing the particularly on the first-named Noble Lord, on a subject lion. Member could do would be to give it up altogether. on which so many misrepresentations had gone to the (Hear, hear.) The motion of the Right Hen. Gentleman and he was told to Ministers towards putting down abuses of this kind. (It public. A ver b a l commu nication had been made to Mr. (Mr. Peel) proved how little was to be expected from Iles. In mentioning was here intimated to the Hon. Member that the motion of he etar roost willingly admitted instruction to the Committee was not by Mr. Peel, but by tn l: li i ae n k l ne a lyt‘nrirsohittnaoto of that haste he th s subject egbcjeeoneuttll gentleman, a f wa l ni i t i ,h s his great cleverness. His- theory was exceedingly ingea I the Member for Hertford, Mr. N. Calvert.) He was told nious and philosophical, but he (alio Hurries) was afraid it it was not the Right Hon. Gentleman's motion; but was so intricate, that it would be difficult to prove it to though moved by the Hon. Member for Hertfoid, be looked demonstration. He would state his reason. A commit. upon it to be to all intents his (Mr. Peel's), otherwise it tee was last year appointed On the subject of Friendly So- j would have bad a different termination from that which the cieties, and they examined evidence as to the probable du- I House had seen. ration of lives. On this subject they examined ten or l Mr. N. CALVERT would take to himself the whole twelve most respectable individuals, all v er y c l ever a t ca l- r m e rit or blame of the proposition which he submitted to the culations of that sort. Amongst those there was a great i House on a former night..—(hlear.) e di vers ity of opinion, and the result w as , the Committee I Mr. PEEL said, thatahe proposition for which he had cou ld n ot make up their minds as to whi c h was right.— I voted was moved and seconded by two Memb e r s on the In conclusion, he hoped the House would adopt the sug- opposite side of the House. The Hon. Mover, the Meru gestion of the Hen. Member, and allow the Act to be sus- tan'for Hertfordshire (Mr. N. Calv er t), did n ot kno w pended, and not repealed. . what course h e mean t t o p ursue respecting it. He in pOeull t I iti.nlg it•—(H ear. ) did not off er hi mse lf f requent l y to the ?. Lord ALTI IOI3I3 next addressed the House, but his formed him (Mr. Peel) that b e meant to move the instruc first observations were very imperfectly heard in the gale tiou to the Committee; but he (M r . P ee l) expressed no c l el clear that .h. N a e understood considerable loss the Noble had L o : r i d e c t r o u e s d to ay., that the i publict from the annuities granted under the Act.. Blame might notice of the Hooee—(a lau g h)—b u t on th e present occh o not be attributable to the Government for what took place sion he ro se t o express a hope that the Hon. Member who before they received the communication a ll u d e d to; but l i e had brought f ot • tvard the Bill would not abandon it in eon - was opi s n i i r onz spec understood that annuities were „ ranted on t h e ~,m , ( lo a d• sequ ence of what the W or thy Ald erman h a d said. • vantageous terms to th e public granted that. if that were so, I The Order of the Day was then postponed to Monday blame was certainly to rest somewhere. The communica- next. tion of Mr. Finlayson was a sort of debtor and creditor mac- PENRYN DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL. count. He showed th e amount pa id by th e purchaser, the i The Order of the Day for the further consideration of amount of stock cancelled, and the a mount which that the report of the above Bill having been read, stock would hive produced from that time; and comparing Loud J. RUSSELL moved that the Bill be recommitted. it with the value received 'by the purchaser in his annuity, Mr. MANNING addressed a few sentences to the Houses he showed that in one year there was a loss of 10,7001., l which were totally inaudible in the gallery. and as a great proportion of the annuitants were living the Mr. D. GILBERT said, that it had been remarked on a loss still continued. Th e Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Her- formet evening, that the county of Nottingham would not ries) had said that no thing . could be done by Government suffee from the transfer of the.franchiseaf East liatfeird to a in consequence o f the com munication made to them on this town in another county, because that borough was not, -subject ; but it should be recollected that all the ineu- and had not usually been, represented by individuals con ranee offices had altered their calculations of insurance nected with the county. The same argument would apply about that time; but it was somewhat singular that with respect to most of the boroughs in Cornwall, for, Government should not have made a similar alteration, with the exception of the two county representative', and having the information before them as to the loss which he believed one Member for a borough, none of the per the country was sustaining by the rate at which the ennui- sons returned from the county were Cornishmen. It ties were granted. The Right Hon. Gentleman informed happened somehow or other, that nearly all the gentlemen them that Government could not have pro cee d e d w i t h out w h o were cons i dere d wo rthy the hon our o f repr esenting the promised tables , but surely they might have ceased to the Cornish boroughs came from Scotland and Ireland, and grant any other annuities until those tables were ready. other distant parts of the empire. Under these circurn- Ile agreed in what had been said about suspending the Act stances, the county, though it returned a very large num for the present, for no man could now doubt that the her of representative s, was not prop er l y represented. It transfer was a lose to the public ; but his great surprise was his opinion , thereforh, that it w ou ld b e highly Ripe.- was, that this step had not been taken befo re . Th e Ri ght c li ent t o throw the franchise into the hund re d on t h e pre _ Hon. Gentleman had said, that the letter of Mr. Finlayson sent occasioo. RKE rose amidst was received only on the 30th of April, 1827, but that Sir J: Y(9 the Right laughter. After the able letter alluded to a former letter, written in 1819, of which manner in which he Hon. Secretary (Mr. Peel) bad nothing was said, and which was not before the House. In treated the question, otheHel almost despaired of offering himself answer to that lett e r it was said that Lord Bexley had told to the n otice I leoeuse—(laughter) l'i3te.---) (Laughter.) He seldom rose the writer to make his calculations and tables, but if a hoes in thatt le situation ger .--and though he stood in a was then pointed out, why had not some steps been taken bumble •d compared . with some of the great guns, be cou ld not uvoi recommending the Polk of with a view to amend the Act?bestowing the elective franchise on some of the great towns. Mr. HERRIES explained. s. He Med • I that the Right Hon. Secretary would bringowll tru a Lord HOWICK agreed that the letter should be lau G overnment to t • the support of bethe ques ion, and b •• before the House. As to the course which should notv Act •be happy to follow in the wake e (Sir J.. Yorke) would taken, he agreed that it would be best to sus end the afraid to look moderate reform • of a Minister who weir not for the present. in the face (H h ) e a to Mr. PALLMER said, that h • *--- ear ' ell% Mr. HUSKISSON amid, the Noble Lord seern contracts already who last year voted with a Rightaving been one of those think that the public would gain on the ef o N o , Canning), whose voice, made by the suspension of time Act. --(Cri ti c :pension of hear again, that the elective unhappily franei. the House would never no.")--The only beneficial effect from th •• e s al annuities be thrown into the adjoinin h Ise of this borough should the Act would be, that no addineur: made, but any consistency now (whatever other he could not with should be granted until new tables be continued. He give a contrary vote.—(Hear other Members might.do) all the contracts already made must this measure man concluded with t hear .) The Hon. Gentle -09, when moving, that it be was Secretary to the Treasury in.dl 8 1819, the period when the Committee to extend the forfeited an instruction to was introduced.--(A Member said written.)—No ; 1809, deed in which Penryn . o , • as situated. franchise to the,hun the letter of Mr. Finlayson was this Act was passed. At that ascended the amendment he meant, the year when that individuals wishing to G. BANKES appro ve d t h • time complaints were made, families hadcertain franchise to the hundreds, wit h e plan 'of-extend the n umelves orno , not the vie w o f • make a provision for the . . „ could be secured, without the agricultural interest, , promoting but because be • • fund on which such annuities coneidered it the such diefra bead) to b e be do hood ! to in doted right. • brane not d( tore v on ot] never the el The c dc • whoa tranof mind - miauf groan up thi Chi and ti 300/. eltctio Lot dates arran € Mr, candid quota to the money Aft was, a Mr. postpoi two Bi Dr, have Bills u would mote ci 51r. altoget 1 Afte •M. W. Lord as the •again.t Th e reporte brou g h Oa Tin, Lord he now mittee Acta ft Lord House I '1 feel it ilpon t of their !bated fc prevent Ia these proposer that I di )igious 1 reetraini way QV rent!) fro m only 1 Pottik the fr Tbrf herei could Eitet 4 lUent 'OUS f th e ,v Til t the ri l ro ug h of the of 4,