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PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 16. Lord Chief Justice ABBOTT sat for the Lord Chancellor as Speaker. The House proceeded in Appeals. '1 he Oaths were administered to the Marquess of Hertford and Lord Northwick. Petitions were presented by Lord Viscount Granville and the Marquess of .Lansdowne, from Cheltenham and the Town and County of Sonth amnton, against the renewal of the Insolvent Deb tors' Act ; and by the Marquess of Bath, from Bedminster (Somerset), againsr aoy,alteration in . the Doty on Coals. The Earl of LlVeltrooL laid upon the table the Convention with the United States of America. COAL DUTY. The Earl of ROSSLTN presented a Petition from Dysart, against any alteration in the Duty .on Coals. His Lordship, adverting to the great agi tarion that prevailed upon this subject, thought .that a .word from one of his Majesty's Min , sters, es , o their intentions respecting it, would be of great ativamaue. • 'fete Earl of LIVERPoOL expressed his surprise that the agitation: should still continue, after what had passed in that.and the s other -house -of Par liament. It was well known' that an Association bad been forthed iii LOndon for the purpose of en deavouring to obtain an equalization of the Duty on Coals, and this purpose becoming known in the country, a number of Petitions against any alteration in the Duty were, sent up to be pre sented to Parliament. Himself and a Eight Ho nourable Friend haul sit inierview with the Gen tlemen entrusted with those Petitions, and hay in,4 learnt that they were to be waited upon by a Deputation front the London Association, they declined giving any answer to the Gentlemen. al luded to, until they had beard the other pmay,— Haviug, however, had an interview with the London Deputation, and being of opinion that no reason had been assigned sufficient to induce them to propose or support any alteration, they intimated that determination to the Gentlemen entrusted with Petitions. He had now only to repeat, that it was t:ot at the present moment the intention of tire Prince Regent's Ministers either to propose or support any measure for an alteration in the Ditty on Coals. The Earl of ROSSLYN expressed himself per fectly satisfied, and the Petition was ordered to lie upon the table. Subsequently the Earl FITZWILLIAM came into the House, with a Petition front Sheffield, agaiust any alteration in the Duty on Coals, on present ing which, his Lordship also (not having been present on the. former occasion) req,:est,ed some explanation from Ministers es to their intentions. The Earl of Lwisitroot, repeated in substance what he had before stated, and added. that it .was the determination of all those connected with the Prince Regent's Government to re sist any measure for an alteration in the Duty on Coals The Earl FITZwILLIAX expressed himself •ais tivfierf. "I'he &oil of LAUDERDALe deprecated any al teration in the Doty on Coals, now that the state of property tied in every respect been aceommo. dated. to the existing state of the duties, and when general principles of justice could not be applied to the artificial system under which we lived, without doing the greatest injury. The Petition was ordered to lie upon the table. ALIENS AND DENIZENS' BILL. RANK OF SCOTLAND. Lord Viscount SIDMoUTti moved the second reading of the Alien and Denizens! Bill, the ob ject of which his 'Lordship stated to be, to con finite for a year an Act passed toovards the close of-last Session, for the purpose of suspending the alleged right of Foreigners purchasing. Stock in the Batik of Scotland, to acquire thereby die pri vileges of natural born subjects. A question as to the legality of this alleged right- was now be fore a legal tribunal in Scotland for decision, and all that was intended by this Bill was to continue the suspension of, the right for a year, in order to give time for the question to be adjudicated. Lord 1 - loteatto expressed his surprise at the second reading of a Bill of this • importance being moved, without sny previous notice, or without even its being printed. He could not but think . also that when a titter ion was pending in a Court of Justice, it was a very improper measure to le gislate upon that question, and thus in some nice sure to decide it. Doubts had existed at the time the clause was agreed to last Session upon this subject, and it was fully understood that it should undergo consideration in the present Ses sion ; he therefore deprecated! hurrying through a Bill of this nature, contrary to the usual courtesy of the House, and without giving any time what ever for consideration. 'rite Earl of LIVERPOOL, adverting to what bad passed last Session, observed that though objec tions were urged to giving the clause a retrospec tive effect, he had heard no one object to its pro spective operation. All the object of this Bill was to continue prospectively the suspension of the alleged right of acquiring the privileges of a natural born subject by purchasing Stock in the Bank of Scotland, whilst in the mean time the question as to the existence of the right might he decided beforethe competent tribunal in Scotland. The operation of the clause passed last Session ceased on the 25th inst., and it was therefore in cumbent on the House to. adopt some measure previously, as there might be obviously a great inconvenience in leaving the question open. The Earl of LAUDERDALE contended that the object of suspending the exercise of the alleged right could be easily attained by a Bill of Suspender in the • Court of Session, a proceeding well known in the law of Scotland, and that therefore there was no necessity for an Act of Parliament. His Lord ship strongly objected to the mode and wanner in which this Bill was attempted to be hurried through the House, without its being printed, ?r Without any time being given to understand its t y,o)ject. He moved to postpone the second read• ing till Friday. The Earl of HARRoWBY saw no objection to :. ' he painting of the BM, whieh consisted of only kwlines, and could soon be done; 'r e fit he de - z . is - aa - citiedly ottieeted ` to delaying the progrelk a the Hill The Bill could not interfere with the rights of those wbo bad previously to the first suspen sion purchased Stock, as those-rights, if the Court r of Session decided it, their fatiour, retnained un !mobbed; but it there was no measure to suspend prOspectively the .right, what would be the con sequence of such a decision /—that before the Bill could be naSsed.to prevent it,. half Europe might obtain the privileges of natural born subjects of England, and greater privileges too than were _granted by Parliament in Acts of Naturalization. It was impossible it conld- be the desire of the Le gislature that such privileges should be acquired by merely keying out 101. in the purchase : of Scots Stock, anti theretote, if such turned out to be the la's , it would be for Parliament to consider of the means of preventing its operation ; hut in the mean time all that was asked was, to suspend the exer cise of the alleged right until it was known whe ther it was a legal right or nut. - Lord HOLLAND said, the former discu s sion upon this question having been alluded to, he thought it right to state, that lie had never given any opi nion as to the question, whether persons ought to he allowed to be admitted to the privileges of na tural horn subjects in the manner stated Doubts mi difficulties had arisen as to how far the otigi nal AV relative to the Bank of Scotland had, as to this point, been altered • by subsequent Arts, and it was agreed that the clause, in question should expire sootier thAn the Act, of which it formed part, in order that the question might &it the mean time receive due consideration. Instead of this, however, they were now called upon a sudden to 'Leg:slate whilst the question was actually pending before a Court of Law, and called upon too without any previous notire, and without any opportnnity lwiog afforded of under standing the Bill. Ile should therefore support the motion of his Noble Friend forpoit potting the second reading till F' hay. The Fart of LAUDERDALE wished the Ministers to inquire whether the object could not he an• swered by a Bill of Suspender in the Court of S• scion. The Horse divided on the question that the word now stand part of the question. Contents 14—Not Contents 6—Majority e. Str*ngers were not re-a(lniitted for some time. It was under.tood that the Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be printed ; that then Lord Nr!geo , mt SIDMOUTH moved the commitment of the Bill toe to-morrow ; tl►at this was objected to in point of Corm, and that some debate having taken place upon the question, the House again divided— Contents for the Commitment to-morrow 14 Not Contents Majority —8 The Bill was therefore committed for to-mor row, and the Lords ordered to be summoned. The Doke of WELLINGTON, it was understood, presenter! a Petition hum Kensington against the Renewal of the Insolvent Debtors' Bill.—Ordered to lie tqwn the table. On strangers' re-admission, Lord FIOLLANn Was presentiog a Petition from the Pri,oners confined for Debt in thy Giol of Chelmsford, praying for a continuance of the insolvent Act.—Ordered to lie upon the table. Thfs 'Mutiny Bill awl the indemnity Bill were brought up from the House of Commons by Lord Palmerston, Mt, Bro:zden and o►her Memhers, and read a tiro time, the former upon the motion of the Earl of Liverpool, who gave notice of hii re rim, r►. move the second reading to.rnorrow; The Poor Laws' Amendtnent Bill was read second time, and committed for to-morrow.—Ad jouraed till to•utorrow (this day.) HOUSI OF COMMONS. Ordered, On the 11 , 1otion of Mr. BATHURST, bat the names of the Airmhers who were absent ipon the ballots of , this day, should be reported o the House to-morrow. READING ELECTION. Dr. PIIILLIM.ORE reported troni the Committee appointed to try the. merits of. the• Election for iteadiog,, that Charles 'Fyshe Palmer was duly elected, and that neither the Petition against his lilection,nor the opposition to the said Petition, were grivolous or vexatious: cCOAL DUTY. Mr. WHARTON presented a Petition from Sun derland against any alteration in the Duty on Goala.—Ordered to lie on the table, as well as another Petition from the same place, against the Inbolveut Acts. INSOLVENT ACTS, jrS J. GRAHAM presented a Petition from Car lisle, against the Renewal of the Insolvent Acts Ordered to lie on the tsble, SUNDERLAND NAVIGATION BILL. Mr. LAMBTO N moved the second reading of the Sundcrland Navigation Bill. Mr. WHARTON earnestly deprecated the passing of this Bill, against which he spoke at some length, after apologizing to the House for occu. pying so much of its time in the discussion of a private Bill, especially upon an evening when so much important. matter was before the, House. The Hon. Member was proceeding in his observa tions, when The SPEOBtt suggested, that-as the time had expired for receiving the Return of the Reduced List noon the retitions respecting the Election for Bristol, it would be as well if the Hon. Mem ber would allow the present • motion to pass, tri n t reserve his farther observations for the motion as to the . Committal of the Bill, in order, that the Reduced List alluded to might be brought The Bill was accordingly read a second time. BRISTOL ELECTION. _ _ _ Mr. Le then presented at the Bar the follow ing List ot the Members chosen by ballot to try the merits of the MealOn for Bristol E. B. Portman, • • .T. Campbell, J. Dawkins, H. Seyaionr ' E. W. Powell, H o n. ,Sir G. L. Cole, G. R. Dawson, W. T. Money, It. Franco, Lord W. H. Bentinck i , W. Newton, T. Pares, Sir A. Don, C. W. W. Wynn. Earl Mountcharles, Titese Gentlemen having been stvorn, retired from the Hoirse; and .on the motion that the Sunderland Navigation Bill should be committed— Sir G. COCKBURN rose, and observed, that if this Bill were negatived, the port ot Suatleqauti would be exposed to destruction. Such being his conviction, he felt it his duty to caution the House upon the subject, notwithstanding the re marks of his Hon. Friend (Mr. - Wharton). Mr. 141M5TON said, that he had no intetest himself upon this question 5 but felt it his duty, as the Representative for the Connty of Durham, to support a measure which was deemed exceed ingly desirable by a great portion of his Consti tuents. WORCESTER ELECTION.. Mr. LEE appeared at the Bar with the reduced List of the. Worcester Election Committee (tke previous discussion was consequently suspended), which contained the following namesa Roderick M'Leod, Lord W. Russell, Joseph Cripps, Hon. IL Neville, J. N. Fazakerley, C. [twatlohl, W. Broadhurst, Alexander Baring, T. Duncbs, Robert Smith. IL Frankland, Nominees, R. Philips, • Lord Althorp, Earl of March, Fran kland Lewis. SUNDF,RLAI , .:I7). On the fesnniption of the debate on the Sun derlAnd Port Bill, Mr. WHARTON. in reply to some observations of Mr. La.mbtott, said, he repelled the imputa tions of that . Honourable Me . mber with scorn. Mr. LAMBTON. in explanation, said, that as to imputations' against the Learned Gentleman he had made none. —(Hear, hear !)- 7 —With regard to his scorn, he (Mr. L.) cast it back train whence it originated. After a few words from .Mr. WHARTON, the H ome thr n divided— For the Committee Against it r Majority in favour of Mr. Lambtoo's motion '2 BARNSTAPLE WR IT. The Spitscr.a sugg est ed to the House that there yet remained of private orders fur that nigh•, on his list, a number sufficient to take op its time for another hour. It was for the Dou s e to say whe ther the public business should be proceeded in at that late hour.—(Hear, hear had H ISO to submit the necessity of some ,step being that night taken as to the stayed Writ for Barnstaple. Alr:•Ct.tva then moved, that the Speaker do not issue his Warrant for the election of a Bur gess for Barnstaple before that day sennight.— Ordered. PENRYN. Si: C. BURRPLL brooglit in a Mil to prevent Bribery Hnd Corruption in the Borough ofPen 'yr), in Cornwall. The Bill was read a first tirn , !, and n►dered to be read a second time on Friday, the 2d of April next. Sir C. Buttarm. then moved, that the Bill be printed--Ordered. The SPEAKER submitted to the House, that the practice formerly, though not followed in later cases, was to give notice to the parties affected by the . operation of the proposed measure. In the Ilindon case, notices were served iudi'villoally. I; would be for the House to consider the expe diency of having notices, in the. present instance, posted on the'church doors; and at the market cross. Mr. W. WYNN had no objection to the form being adoptp.d, al: hough it was not supported by precedent in later instances. Sir A. PIGGOTT, considering the measure pro posed, thought the more expedient course wag to give the parties the fullest notice, as the Votes of the Honse could be viewed only constructively in that light. Sir U. BURRELL ob , erved, that the postpone- ment of the second reading was for the purpose of allowing the parties the Most ample notice. That day was fixed inure pailictilarly, as the As . - foi the County would precede the discos lion. •lie then moved than notices he affixed on the church gates, and at .the market cross.— Ordered. TREATY WITH AMERICA. Lord CASTLEREAGH laid on !be table a Copy of a Treaty concluded between thin country and . the United States of Am►terica, dated October last. He observed, that it was not intended to take the opinion of the House on.the ',creasy itself, as a Right -Honourable Frienkrof his would have to submit a Bill, arising out of that Treaty, to the consideration of Parliament. JUSTICE IN INDIA. Mr. Itumg, in rising to make the motion of which he had given no:ice on this subject, thought he should best consult the wishes of the House, and his own feelings, if 'he did not enter into the discussion at present; . He should only make one or two observations. He wished the House to know that it. was completely in the dark with re spect to 'the miserable manner in which the ad- Ministration of justice was-carried on in lbdia. In saying this, he' did not,make an unsupported assertion : the labours of the Committee of 1812 would show the facts on which •he founded his opinion. Civil justice was virtually denied to the bulk of the people in our East Indian terri tories, on account of the extraordinary expence at which it was to be obtained. ' Before any in-_ dividuril could commence an action for the covery of a debt, he was compelled to pay to the Governnient a fee of from - 50 to one per cent, on its amount, as it was larger or decreased. There was besides a heavy stamp duty, anti the . enor- mous expence was altogether a denial of justice.— Another set ions ground of complaint was, 'that for years no decision could he obtained. In the Reports of the Committee to which he .had al luded,' it was even stated that a long life could not suffice-'to obtain a decision in the Coatis in lodic Those abuses had • increased year after year, and the situation oflthe inhabitants of lieu gal was growing worse and worse. Ile did not lay the blame on any individual, but on the sys tem itself , ' For the extensive system established by Lord Cornwallis in 1792 in *lndia, was abet ed in some parts, and not uniformly adhered to. He then moved for Copies or Extracts of various Dispatches from the Court of Governors to the several Gqvernments of India, respecting the ad mitristration of justice, both civd t i m d and the police in that country, from 1810 to the present time. _ Mr. CAN:iING acknowledged that a difference and a controversy existed; not, however, re specting the excellence, but the adaptation of the system to the habits of the country. lie was tiot disposed to admit of the high colouring given ownwould li that G ther that system was as fitly adapted as it had bee", en h t e icd: a n s t n o o t i intended by the great. add benevolent man who had introduced it into India. approaching whatever proceeded from such a man, howevg; it should he done with reverence and doubt. agreed with the Hon. Gentleman that the OW: nistration of justice in India ought to be kept under the coutroul of the authorities at bogi e ! eedpltcot picture, doubt u c t v h i e"! and that one of the hest means to be adopted foil that purpose was the publicity of tbeir pro ceed ings from time to time. He contended that t" papers moved for were so voluminous that if 1 1 4 were all to be examined the day of their discus' slot; would never arrive. He fore selected among them the four which wee d ended that most satisfactory. And he recomm which went by the name of the Fifth Report, conveying the most complete abstract of all information received in this country, and as ..°6 (Mr. C.) had fording su f f i cient light to employ the 10 111°5f : t ; search and attention of the House till th e when the discussion on the subject Should td" place. f o r Lord MORPRTH thanked the Hon. Mover Ots havingintrodoced such a subject to the Hoo' c ' re f was decidedly of opinion that, whatever exPell;as we might throw On the natives--wherever "tete., toe might adopt to crush and range [ital) Str ut' there; under our dominion;' the best secoril for • empire was a strict administration at jos' iee i ; ,s to Sir W BURRoUGHS contended, that the regulations introduced by L,,rd re there were no regular Ctn. ti in India J u l e on... there was no justice. Th at great m all b i s i ( c i, he stilted him at the time•ors the system (sir proposed to establish, and w hich bad (14 OS William's) unqualified concorreoce. T li n 4li ti" introduction bad been attended with gT t '„% ll ;114 enities:it bat! proceeded with more :0‘ could have b ee n reasonable eip-cred• 111 `" Go. creased the attachment of the people t" " 111 , vernment, and induced in *hi wt -s to eilt4: r i a :i nt to our territori. s f rom other sates.hsa deny that it might contain great tl fects,b3( I'Dos done and continued to produce much good• nv ot System of Police was that witch reV ired Iso consideration a nd a tlierldlrlent. "I d ' 14' 0 .0 opportunity of ascertaining I ,oty wretched i t . e a t s in the City of Calcutta ;, a city which en nui ' ! " hi' population of betw een 750 an d 800,000 hi l or tants, of all nati o n s , all creeo4, all ef u / ( 1 ,0 scents. All his efforia to nnprove it, rb ,s e ably assisted, has proved vain lo sonic igist if lere Magistrates had private gaols of thetr 0 0 ". - ev en they kept individuals for months, before ' ll ,lheitt; ascertained the nature of the charges agtit"g` r „so He then quoted several cases wh ere frbe abuses of this kind had prevailA, and ple g9e ,j o es importance of th e su bj ect ou t h e consi ders of the House. f 181,1 Mr. Huns st a t e d, t h at t h e C omm ittee ° w as' had reported th a t it o f ten h appene d 'that " 1 " elapsed be; ore tot individual was brOttgli! 'r ttetß hearing ; that fluring that ti me b e was c"; in a crowded prison, where de: th fretittc gi l li . e ro claret!, before it was as .ertaiurd vvilt .rher , um' was any real charge against him. Ile the l l. pined that the whole system of 13 "g'; i j ' was conducted by a set o f eee b a r srie' I" --le e e , e .4 r P a l' ll Y y n f i l e e l a )t d h r e oh G b l e v r e s r , " Cs i l e ):: ;' li t a t d 'i b h e e e s t i ; lell:;2-C-al y . tutu King's evidence, and to whom 10""'ir Magistrates entrusted the execution of their „t:irt rants. With regpect to the want of ec"u ub- i i,,ed the Judicial department, it might be tisC Cr ",,, trolll-Ihis NCI, flint whit reas t h e whole revs"(ii-ci,l India was 17,000,0001 th e e x pence or t be.P l iy and police est a bli s h ment B runo:ire(' :Inn"' l e. 1,57t1,0001. or n e atly o n e- e l eve nth of tit' rev s n rba o w • Mr. lit.rcHttqsorii wished to id,press 9 ,ny's Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, and 11.1 s 11 ' 9 Ministers, the necessity of tubing mrattr' s 1 0 0 1:;eb prove, the wretched system of p were subjected not less t ban the 60 milli' s ' e , • habitants who b e longed t o our !wild" ""i:eut L Mr. CANNING had Clpinine( } vhiell h e his miud on the subject. I,' was one v et ` kO . n o , had meditated day and ni g ht, a n d vet h e t : ) 6r es4 shame to himself fur.uot being able ro more decided opii`eion. A s t o the wh0' e .4;,19/ , of the Police, it had been amendrit „ o der Su East, and its evil , . were now done avvr"'",, 00 5 ' After a few words From Sir Wes. 15°6- °Li the tnotion was agreed to. ' le 00 Mr, flume then moved for:Aeronnts Pg r i t, pence of the Pollee and Jnoteial Est 3bli ,' A ll i llen e"( in foot districts of Ineia,' flow 1792 to , 7 - ifi ' c iit. later, if possible, and tor Accounts ,o f 1 1 Foil c hArges in the thr,ee Presidencies of 13e00.",, tbe' Saint George,. and Bombay, front 1810 17 I present time.—Agreed to, INSOLVENT. DEBTOPS' ACT. , „ r ' 01 The ATTORNEY-6gAlliniAL 1 . ;;;ili, H 11i5t.te View of the state of the laWs rP•petim i l l g P A ! 1 •, 4 7 previous to the passing of the j„,„l,, e nt Pe''' )f ie Act in 1813. It was then...lo , mnd n e ces - sq l , ‘ : s ' . tsting law would sort . from tithe to time to partial tue' soro';""el e ioilo pD tv ie o .a u s l e d d b i e he re e du r c e e: 'expire in cm. :re , e l ' i r I . -'45 Olt. ' and if not renew!?(l with sock i fterH l : al , 9 3- ( O r necessity of the ea t: tiliv,itt r , ci f' ,ire , 'H e -°" i n thts I ebtor liii. ; jll lee Itpt in r •• . r l ife • s. - "1 7 5 u ci: tor ° Dnrin. in the existence of the pre'.eot 14 - - c n ioi p . C°P;lntif Ices had been appointed to e" .- 1 A tt with the view of arnemlint , it, awl ate ' lc( 4 1 0 1 " passed, giving . to t h e jodge o r the In' rea ,, vent Debtors'' Court greater ' pow( r (0 Ila ' mand Debtors, if not sa - i'fi' d vvith t tit. t honesty of their conduct. All ag reed tha i & to t ile' allow flritsPfoe,lll:::l:l:ll:elitien_irst elt. principle of the law 'was right, Mi l tha i i , ...• wattled correction in some of I's nr i " "`“-- ;ii • Most Of the petitions presented to I hc,l - loto e -.: Pre s tlttl Him opinion, and min these groun di il ~t . 1 4: neared necessary to appoint a Comumittee to c. - 05 sitter the lelW as it stood; as well as I , e fi t terl' ed(P presented against it; There was no subiect t. for the attention of the floAse, titan !he i'"eirile, alit 4plestion whether there shoiddi not b e si 5 . law of this sr"' IffiToina pats of the judicial sY tern of the land 1 ,, e siad of 'he 1 " 111. '", " j ,ffieB4l t: sorts 10 ,‘ hich Parliament -had heels ouo‘f - jo have recourse for the lost century, anal Whie ll ' ot the latter part of time present rei1:11, hall l""', 11 , ' r ie r • ' quired os often es yvery two year,. ,I were w ha t, tit that the Debtor and Creditor bi)o u 1 ~ 0 know ":: - terms they stood towards each other. Wit' 41(1 Mi 'fhb, t o at, toil t , 114. ip~vo to 01% It Liot c