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oleic!), lot the parlmount "Ol)Tect df safety . to';he State, and parties were requiied to give security only to 8 TeBSonable 88toill.t, as a check upon fiffencive conduct. After ing upon these ioiportAnt topics with great force and effect, the Noble Minister observed, that some alteration Tllly he made AS t 0 the proposefl arrangement for the di,cussion of the Bills then More their - 511 'S. After a short conversation arro - ss the Table 'on point, in which Lord EasKINEC participated, it was finally arranged, that the Bill respeoioi.i, the seizure ut Prins should he read the secotid time on Friday ; and the second Bill before their Lordships a second time on Monday. _ Adjonrned till to-morrow, when their Lord ships stand summoned on Lord Lansdowne's 'no tion respecting the State of the Nation. HOUSE OF COMMONS. COI.ONI%S. On tlit. motion of Mr. HUME, an Ailitress was ordered to he presented to his Royal Pritice Regt lit for t 111 . 11111)er of papers illustrative of the revenue, of the e•spendi titre, and of the civil snit military establishments of Ceu the Mauritins, the Cape of Good Hope, Malta, and the Islands (the !Immorality Gentleman oliservinz, that it was important to ascertain witethi r it was salute that those co!iiiiirs should remain un d er the Government of thy Kim; in Council, or lie admitted to the henefits of the laws), a z : well as for other ripers, shrwiniz the •nat Ore. arid an of the various establishments io the Colonies in the West Indies. PENRYN. C. BURRELL znve notice., thlt on Tuesday sett night he move fer leave to bring - in a Mil for flee better prevcietion of corrupt practices in the Euiongli of Pcnryn. I,F, El)'; I EF()it ERS. Mr. S. WORTLEY expressed his wish to Correct a oils stvialient that bad appeal, it in one of the politic prints, of an ~iiservation which he hid tal,en the liberty to address to the House on Tuesday last. lie• hail her, represented to have said that one of the Resolutions adopted at a Meeting of the Reformers of Leeds, pointed directly at the partition of the property of his Noble Friend Lord This he had tweet- said. What he had said w.s, after referring to the proceedings of the Meeting of Reformers at Leeds. that at a Psi e,tiog somewhere else in the West Riding of Yorkshire, hut where be did not exactly kno•.c, a Resolution hail been agreed to, directly pointing to the partition of his Noble Friend's property. tie was anxious to contradict the etro- IIVOIIS statement, hecan:e, feelinz himself conscientiously op vised to the views of the [tad cal Reformers, from a convic tion that they were the worst enemies of the liberties of the countrv—:hear, hear, hear !),--he was solicitous that his op position should be as fair an.; honourable as it was firm and decided—(t - tear, hear, hear !). CAM ELF 0111). Mr. HARVEY ;arc notice that he world to-morrow move that the Order made last Session for issuing a new writ fur the Borough of Cafi.Cforil ten days after the commencement of the nresvnt Session, s;muld he discharged, and that the Sweal,er should be directed nut to issue his waraant until ; . ,Ftet the Report of the Committee on the Camelfurd Election had been taben into considtration by the I-louse. NATIONAL DEBT. On the motion of Mr. HUME, a variety of Accounts, under twelve distinct heads, respecting: the Public Debt of Great Britain and Inland, were ordered to be laid before the House. STAGE-COACHES, STEAM-ENGINES, AND APPEALS IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR gave notice. tlilt be world take an early opportunity of calling the attention of the House to a measure for punishim; the Drivers of S • - ze-coaches far furious and negligent driving; that he would also propose the revi val of the Committee of last Session on Steam-en:44les ; and that lie would likewise move for leave to bring in a Bill to render more cfrectual the Appellant Jurisdiction of the House of Lords. BANK-NOTES. On th e motion of Mr. GItENFELL, an Aceriunt was or &it'd to he laid before the House of the Amount of Bank Notts and Bank Post Bills that had been in circulation from June to November 1819 ; distimotishing the Bank P o st Bills from the B:tnk Notes; and distinguishing the Bank Notes above the value of Five Pounds. SEDITIOUS AND BLASPHEMOUS PUBLICATIONS. Mr. MELLISH presented a Petition from the Rector, Churchwardens, and other Inhabitimts of the Parish of Pan cras, expressive of their abhorrence of the seditious and blas phemous publications which had of late been so actively cir culated ; and praying for the interference of the Legislature Inci;7e effectually to suppress such works.—Ordered to be Fluted. PETITION FROM MANCHESTER. Mr. BENNET held in his hand a petition from the inhabitauts of Manchester. Salford, and their p ra yi ng the (louse to institute an inquiry in'o the events of the 16th of August. The House nod the country knew so well the character of those events, that he would not en l arge or, them at that time, but he would remark, that notwith standing the mariner in which they had been treated by the Noble Lord opposite, who con sidered what had been said to the prejudice of the parties concerned, to be wholly calumny, he world pledge himself that great excesses had been corer milted. This would be proved whenever the sidiject was fairly gone into ; it ‘vould be shown, that what hal beau advanced against the persons accused was not 'yvithritit foundation. lie knew of eight or ten individuals, merchants and manufactorers of undoubted character and respectability, whose testimony could not be impeached, that lied sworn to the principal facts, and thong!) lie could not be bold enough to say that their affidavits would establish the truth of those facts, yet this he was bonnd to say, lie felt satisfied that they had sworn but to the truth. lie thought that if it would be necessary to sum up all the evidence, that all that had appeared contradictory could be so explained and connected, as to make it clear that the military employed on the I 60) of August had been erne] in the extreme. The individuals to whom he had alluded had, in common with others, appealed to the Grand Jury, with a view of bringing the offenders to justice. it would be un becominr in him to throw any reflection on that Grand Jury (and he would be the last mats to nit it.) lie could not suppose that twenty four Gentlemen had forgotten the oath they bad taken, and with some of those who sat on that Jury he had been connected by (tient:- ship all through Iris life, and'knew them incapa ble of any thing that was dishonourable or unjust. His lion. Friend near him, who he believed haul been the Foreman of that Grand Jury, possessed a clear head and an honest heart, and he was sure that he could nor act other than conscientiously. On that Grand Jury then he would cast no re flection, but the Bills which had been submitted to them by the persons of whom he had spoken, had been thrown our. The Petitioners then ap plied to the Magistrates of Manchester, but were told by them that they could not be judges in their own cause. They then applied-to . a Magistrate at Warrington, and he, though he said he disap proved of the conduct of the Magistrates at Man chester, could not comply with their reqoest— coultialford them no redress. Under these circuit). atances,they now turned their eyes to the Grand In quest of the Country—to that :louse, and called 'upon them to inquire into the whole of the proceed jugs. They were not wild enough to suppose that Zhe notese could ate an if: ti:`' AS to whether A or 'el of the Yeomanry committed this or Mit outrage; but they though' it the ditty of the House to inquire into the general character of the transactions which had taken placeto determine whether the Magistrates had exercised a sound or a mischievous discretion ; and-, ebtrve all, whether Ministers, in giving them the thanks of the Prince Regent, had not made an nnwar rantable use of their Royal Master's name, by connecting it with that which, throughout the country, was the theme of almost universal re probation. lie believed that there was at pre sent a general feeling, that in this instance jus tice had been withheld. It was a part of the English character to love impartial justice. This feeling, growing with their growth, had strength ened with their strength. It now called upon them to look with pecnlior anxiey to the decision of their Representatives on this guest ion. Should the House set itself in opposition to the will of the people, it would widen that breech between the Parliament and the Commons of England, whieh at pteaent existed, and every man who knew Ilia own dety, and the tree interests of his cow - toy, would desire to sue closed rather than eidarged. Sir It. VC-teams/ most cordially concurred with the prayer of the Petition. After reading all the evidence given before the Coroner at Oldham, and all the papers which had been laid on- the table of that Mouse, he was of opinion that the course pntsued by the Magistrates of Manchester was a most unauthorized proceeding. From the pre vious conduct of Mr. hunt, there wal every reason to b, lieve, that had it been made known that the ci vil power wi-lied to arrest him, he himself would have directed the ropie to open a passage-that the officers might advance to perform their ditty. This wss the more probable from the conduct of that person when he was •actually arrested, for the first words that he used on that occasion were, " Where is your warrant ? It you hale one against me, I will yield to any civil officer, but I will not surrender myself to a military person." —He then condemned the conduct of the Yeo manly, whom he described to have cut down the people indiscriminately, sparing neither sex nor age, hut deliberately cutting down women, and one old man upon crutches. He next contended, from the evidence given by Daniel Kennedy, the cutler, that the swords of the Yeomanry had been sharpened for the occasion. After this— after the denial of justice that had taken place —after they had seen the Coronet's Deputy postponing an inquest because he was engaged to sup in a neighbouring village—after an indecency had been committed in open Court, which he (Sir R. Wilson) could not mention there— after there had been 27 persons confined for seven Weeks, and at last discharged by proclama tion, no charge being preferred against them ; after all these (hinge, lie felt himself bound to support the Petition presented by the nonosir able Gentleman, though connected with him by no party ties, and to join with him and with the Petitioners in calling on the House to uphold the laws and constitutionef the country, by deciding •for a full, prompt, and impartial inquiry into the Mate proceedings of Manchester. Air. Massrmo said, that having no means of judging of the facts which had occurred at Manchester, bat from a perusal of the evi dence given before the Coroner at Oldham, and the Papers communicated to that House, had, from teading these, come to a conclusion very .different from that of the Honourable General. That the swords of the cavalry had been shar pened he did not deny. They were sharpen ed, and it would have been very improper not to sharpen them, as it appeared from various. affidavits, that pikes and pistols were prepared for the use of those who were to attend Re form Meetings. IVas it to be supposed that these were for any peaceable purpose ? Were these necessary to the discussion of Parliamentary - Re form ? IVhat would have been said of the mili:ary, it, with a knowledge of these facts, their arms had not been kept fit for use ? The Honourable General had much depended on the evidence given before the Inquest at Oldham. For his part he was much disposed to disbelieve the evidence of many of the persons there examined, even though it were given on oath. Those who gave evidence there were concerned in those practices, which it was the duty of the Magistrates to suppress. They had drank largely of the stream of sedition and blasphemy. They had been taught to believe that our religion, the Bible and the history of our Saviour, were all false, and what to these was the obligation of an oath ? These persons wished to overthrow the existing system, wished to put an ens! to all social order, and to subvert the Constitution, and had therefore an interest in stating what they did. An Honourable Member, whom he could not hut respect for his philan thropic exertions, in the course of a debate last Sessions respecting the treatment of certain con victs, had quoted an expression of Dr. Johnson's, the purport of which was, that " in some in stances he would not believe positive evidence in opposition to strong probability." He would say this in the present case. He did not believe, notwithstanding the positive evidence that had been given, that the Yeomanry of Manchester, had deliberately cut clown women and aged men in the manner described. He did not believe this of them, nor could he believe that any man in England would do so, not even the infamous Car life himself. With this conviction on his mind he trusted there was nothing improper orampar liamentary in the assertion that he did not be lieve scone of the witnesses of the Oldham Inquest, even on their oath. Mr. B. \Vtt.aaA►lAM Could not allow this Peti tion to be laid on 'be table without expressing his firm conviction that the case, when inquired into, was not at all likely to be made out. When ever the inquiry took place, he was satisfied that the charges now brought forward would be re hired. With respect to the shaupening of the swords, he had to remark, that this took place in, the middle of July. ThOie that were subsequently sharpened were merely those which by accident had not previously been sent, In point of fact, no second order wss Mr. BirsseT thought it rather harsh on the Ho!). Member who haul just sat down to speak a►s he had done of those wht gisse evidence before Cormier at Oidhatr. i±e thou, } l,l b e well to pause before he Ino!,ounced a!I who had there given ev;dence to he on the side of infi delity, blasphethy, and Mr. Paine." For one he thought that these sweeping censures did mach mischief, as - they had the effect of dis gusting moderate m,n, and inclining- them to favour and unite with those to whom tinder circumstances they would never give their counte nance. He would entreat Gentlemen not to cast such general censures on large bodies of men, Of whom they knew nothing. He could say that among those who had given evidence before the loquest were men of a sober, calm, religions turn of mind. One of them bad come to town with a friend of his (Mr. Bennet's) On a journey of Philanthropy, to contribute to the relief of the poor children in the mannfactoties, by assisting to frame those Bills which had been brought in last Session, and which had passed through that House. MANsrIELD, in explanation, said, he had not means lo make so sweeping an assertion as was attributed to him. He Id!, however, that he had a tight to make a strong assertion, becaose one of those persons who gave evidence against the Ma gistrates, admitted that he had himself marched d loge party from - Leeds to that Mceting.—(Hear, hear, from both sides of the House.) The petition was then ordered to be printed. MR. HUNT'S PETITION. Mr. Alderman Wool) said, he rose to present a petition, which was couched in very respectful terms, complaining of the condoct of the Magis- - (rates at Manchester, of the Grand Juries, and more particularly and strongly of his Majesty's Minkters,—(Laughter.)—There were attached to this petition five affidavits, which the petitioner stated lie intended to have presented to the Court of King's Bench, hot not being a prOft.ssional man, he was not suffered to do so. As the forms of the house did not allow those affidavits to be iorrod,iced,'he (Ald. Wood) had taken them away. h e House would not he surprised when he named the petitioner, who was \lr. Henry Hunt.—(A laugh.)—He alleged chat the statements of the magistratett, and the evidence laic) before the Honse, were altogether false, and lie prayed " that he might be called to the bar of the House to prove all and every allegation contained in his petition, by his own evidence., and by the testimony of nu merous and respectable net sons, of fortune and character, who were totally unconnected with the reformers in any way whatever." The Petition was then read, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. Alderman Woos then moved, that it he printed. On the SPEAKEIO2 putting the question to that effect, a number of voices cried out " No, no ;" he the►efore put it a second time, when the op position was withdrawn, and the Petition ac cording!y ordered to be printed. COMNIFITEE OF St'PPLY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved the Order of the Day for the House re solving itself into a Committee of Supply. The Speaker accordingly left the Chair, and the House resolved itself into the said Commit tee, Mr. Biogden being in the Chair. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that, as a debate was expected upon a most inte resting question, he should at prest-nt metely move, that a supply should be granted to his Majesty, Mr. PascoE GRENFRLL took the opportunity of addressing a few words to the Right Hon. Gen tleman. He had been informed th at the defieienry in the consolidated fund for the quarter ending Oct. 8, 1819, exceeded 8,250,0)0/. sterling.— That there bad been a deficiency of 1,000,0001., 2.000,0001., or 3,000,0001., would not have sur prised him ; but that there should hare been a deficiency of so large a sum as 8,000,0001 quite staggered him, and made it requisite that be should call upon the Right Hon. Gentleman Op posite to give an explanation of the cause of it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply, stated, that the concise question which bad been pit to him should be answered in a manner equally concise. The lion. Gentleman had stated, that there was a deficiency in the Consolidated Fund for the quarter ending the Bth Oct. of eight millions ; but in this point he was mistaken. There was an actual surplus for that quarter; the deficiency was caused by the accumulated at rears of several quarters, arising front the consoliddtion of the English and Irish Treasuries, and amount ell to six millions. Though the deficiency was inferior to what it had been last year, it was only right to state, that in the October quarter there was generally a surplus. The total amount of the Revenue for the October quarter in this year fell short of what it bad been in the same quarter last year, by 1,100,0001., but exceeded that of the sante quarter in 1815, by a considerable sum. There was a deficiency of 900,0001. under the head of Customs, which arose partly front the stagnation of Hack, whose causes had been so fully explained by the Committee appointed to examine into the affairs of the Bank, and partly. from sonic recent consolidations of the customs, which first took place in the July varter. There: was also a deficiency in the excise, amounting to 100,0001., though (as we understood him to say) it had considerably increased on the preceding quarter. After the first tew 11,sys after Pairliatnent met, there was always an increase to a consider able amount. Mr. BttoGoEtg then left the Chair, and brought up the Report„and the House resumed. INTERNAL STATE OF THE COUNTRY. On the motion of Lord CASTLERECAGII, (tie fol lowing passages front the Speech of his Royal Highness the Prince Regent, mere read " I regret to have hero under the necessity of calling you together at this period of the year ; but the seditious practices so long prevalent in some of the manufacturing districts of the coun try have Been continued with increased activity since you were last assembkd in Parliament. " They have led to proceedings incompAtible with the pnblic tranquillity and with the peace able I):.thits. of the industrious classes of the com munity s and a spirit is nosy fully maniteyed, utterly hostile to the Constitution Of this king dom, and aiming; not only at the change of thoe political institutions which have hithertocow.ritut ed the pride and security 9f this euutitYy, but at ll the subversion of the 'tights of propc'r . ty and of 3 order in society. " I have given directions that the neces" ll information on this subject shall be laid bete l.° you ; and I fed it to be my indispensable duty t° press on ),our immediate attention the considera" tint ) of such measures as may be required for the , counteraction and suppression a a system w hich, effectually checked, must- bring confusiou anti ruin on the nation. " Upon the loyalty of the great body of tlie people 1 have the most confident reliance; bat r will require your Inmost vigilance anti exertion.. collectively and individually, to check the disse" [flirtation of the doctrines of treason and impietYe and to impress upon the minds of all classes or his Majesty's subjects, that it is from the cultiya; lion of the principles of religion, and front a i"s subordination to lawful authority, th at WC c' 39 alone expect the continuance of that Divine f"' voer and puotectiott which have hitherto been 1 G signally experienced in this kingdom." Lord CASTLEREAGH, in rising to su bmit to the horse those measures whi c h i n t h e judgment °f his Majesty's Ministers it was necessary to sub mit to Patliameut, felt that in the - course of . 1119 Parliamentary life he had never risen under ciP . comstances more painful and lAMrp awful; Pa in e . fttl, the House ‘vould.go,slung with him in fedii►. them to be, because they imposed upon- 011 : the duty of proposing measures of res tric' e lion anti coercion ; and 0a awful, on acce , of the difficult, or, to speak out, the th+ o ; gerous situation in evhich the country placed-, and which made them necessaey. P e l l ; forming this task, Miuisters felt, that while he House, and every loyal subject in the co untry ( had a right to claim from them such tneesures i should effectually protect their persons, their Or a ; perry, and _the Constitution, fruits all the risk s I which they were at present exposed,—on the otb, e g t hand, the House h a d a r i g ht to ex p ec t that I° h i Government should propose no measures but s ac as were conceited in the spirit of the Consci uy • lion node'. which they hell the happiness tO l ibe ; That sacredlninciple which gave the subject right of petitioning fur the redress of any once of which he might have to . coinpleitii ters were bound to protect ; and he could assi' t t the House that they were most anxious to direr their measures: against the abuse to be cortect eu . and which menaced the most valu a ble o f the righ t s of the subject with extinction, if not arrested its course, without affecting his privileges, indeed, it was their object to save from the Peik which threatened them with annihilation. . s `' c were his views, and such were those o f the Li t) ; vernmeot, and in ueltildiog them to the 110o 5 e L i e looked for a large pottion of that sepport which hoped to receive from those Gentlemen who diller,el from Ministers in their general poli c y, but o'''t were not less aoxions to detcet the unpriociPe‘ e attempts of the. disaffected, and to purge the 1" Il a ', ul those effesions of sedition and blasphemy ` vil e , which it bad been deinged. The House sv tiu e e expect from him a detail of the metasures adopted, and he wo u ld eodeevour to furnish d ie ' rse with one as-ample as th e y could desire to rec d l ie As some of the treasures woeld o t iginare t he of House of 'Parliament, lie might bold self relieved from the necessity of describing the hut he thought it best to call•their atteatio o tj th em as a ‘choile, that they shonld not be cane jr ono° to decide on one of th e measur e ! prop" f '' Ptt without being fully en a bl e d to see its corineY. l( l: e with the rest, and the bearing of the whole 0 ". t 1 ,1 present situati o n o f t h e country . He sh e i t te I hereafter feel hominid to support every C'" s ion to which Ministers had come ;. t-I t t ine the present iosteuce, to save the time 9t aF House, he might be allowed to essenie these %vete admitted. lie w ou ld assu me, that great danger menaced the country, and tl es • in emiseanence extraordinary effort s were lic e- d ears on the part of Patliameut, - This he cv`? t v e assume from the statement which appeared in ° tie part of the Speech of his Royal Highness Prince Regent, that it had been seeu that a O t e , of disaffection was in activity, whi c h was io ect a : c a patible with the Constitution, arid which lit ct went to menace all the rights of society, sit t l e f v o el the principle on which piop et ty was se cuted , consequently the very existence of society its rc e This position be considered to be fortified c ee „t by the language of the a m en d ment w hich a 111 "ie Hon. Gentleman had moved to the Addressti ,‘ bleb that Right Hots. Gentleman called 00 se lf House to give a general pledge (pledeing to no particular measure of course),. 11 ° 1 . Ils e would maintain the constitution against a ll te , machinations of the disaffected. He was nti a s i l f over fortified in it by the, res o lutions come t " ae J large bodies of the. Magistrates of Lencasiti re „,.. Cheshire, and by (hose of the G rau d Jury of ' l O caster. If further support were neceasal maintain his assumption, i t wou ld b e fou nd i t em s language of . a Lord Li!_utettaut of a Co' l ° ,l ,o large, as populous, and as wealthy, as art)' rn erg khogdom, who had deseribed t hi n gs in t h er of the country in wchic!,lie found himself ag eta/ der ing on riot and rebeliion. Afros her .most C petent judge (the Member for re nton) tl'i (i ; de' T o r dared the system now acted upon oot ° had grown tip to such magnitnda, that it b: host the duty of that H ouse to p ut i t ( lour delay, as, if it did not do so, the cootionan c o t ee the present state of thieg ;. amid would pit:. down ee f* great interests of the countryd the in te r d i e of none would be more fatally, effected bciate change than those o-t time poor deluded Pe n P i le a fte C now caused the p resent td3rm. He trusteo,,a such stateme n ts h a d b een ma d e , that it w on :eic seen that Government, in the performance t' t eae tt ditty, had et) eboireleft to them, boc were h meet to come forward with measures &Arlie& n as tii the immionnt danger which menaced a ll the . oe notions of the country. While desc tibi°g , tv' S magnitude of th e p er il- on the one hand ,b , tI be n anxiousnxiouS that it s h ou ld not b e exiaeger'i te(l o be other. He did not wish t h e pi c ture th at 105 0 1' drawft to he faked) its 111-at of the grot r , rl ae licy the empire. Such it W as not , f o r he fe` t ca ottl iheal pride in asserting, that part of th i e „d with which he was corrnected, that °a-it o ( :s t " very few local exceptions, lied never ettic'): ( r of greater internal tranettillity, and he n'l4:' title greater prosperity. Long might she cou tt o d tt Loug might sheeontinue toted the cal" e pot lance of that constitutionel position