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Front their answers, it appeared they had some convey , sat ion, and had received some, instructions on the' subject, from a Mr. Charles. Lee, an Attorney at Barnstaple. • • It was in consequence ordered, that Mr. Lee should .appear at the ,133 r; tir,d _the Officers of the Flouse .were forthwith iii {latched to bring him rip in a„short time. . • • , • Mr..llau,iamg,. Acting Usher, of the Black Rod, Appeared ,at t.lttt Bar, and stated, that Mr. Lee was not rhen.tot lie, found, though be, had been seen but a very short time before in the lobby; and added,- that on his hearing he was inquired for, he (Mr. Lee) had immediately disappeared. • Their Lordships then ordered that the said Charles Lee, and also Neale, .Harris, and Ed. wards, should attend at the Bar of the House on Monday next. Mr. Harrison, as leading Counsel for the Peti tioners against the Bill, Viz. the,Mayor , awd Cor poration of Barnstaple,.then addressed the House at, some length on 'their behalf. * .A,tter the Learned Counsel had concluded, ' Mr. Drake, Town Clerk of Barnstaple, was examined in support of the petition, Alter which, their Lordships deferred the farther consideration of the case till Monday. The remaining Bills upon the table were then forwarded, and the House adjourned till to-mor row (this day). HOUSE OF COINIONS. FOREIGN. ENLISTMENT BILL. Lord CAsTLeneAGH moved that the Lords Amendments to the Foreign Enlistment Bit should be taken into consideration. Mr. DENMAN said, this Bill being a Bill o fines and penalties, aqy .amendment made by the Lords must prove fatal to it.- • • The SPEAKER was about stating the view he took of the question which had been started, When the Black Rod summoned him. On his re turn, he stated that House to have been in the House of Peers to hear the Royal Assent elven by commission to several public and private Bills, for Which see, the Lords. . . The" SPEAKER then said he was about giving his opinion on a point touching the privileges of that House, when he was. interrupted by the arrival of the Black Rod. A Bill, he observed, that con tained money clauses was not nt".!'cessArily a Money Bill. But if the ainendments'made in the other House went to alter.a money. clause in a Money Bill, such amendments must prove fatal to it. In the present instance this had nut been done, and therefore as to privilege there was no complaint on that .acconnt i and the ameudinent objected, to, whatever might be its merits,. seemed to him to have been framed in order to for Wand the object of that House. After a, tew words from Mr.,DaNsaaN, on the snggestion.of the Sreatcea, that the. most conve nient courSe would be to take the Amendments into consideration, however, they Might stibse quently,be disposed of, The Amendments were then taken into consi deration. That which peoyidei that information gien ; upon oath of if person leaving this codutry to enter into the service of a,foreign power, most comprehend, a atatement,of,the facts and circum stances 110 Ch .t;he informer founds his belief that the parts ,inforrned against is about 'to leave the country fur suck a Turpose, having been read, Lord CASTLEREAGH remarked the Amendment Made . by the Lords entirely accorded with the views of that [loose, and being . framed for the relief of the subject, he did not see in it any thing that they were accustomed to regard as objec tionable.. He moveil that it should be agreed to. Mr: W. WYNN expresSed !Mine doubts on the subject. •" Mr. DENMAN thought the subject one which ought to undergo further inquiry. At first be remarked it had not beeti 'proposed that the in formation should be given on oath, but now -he was of opinion enough was not done, everi * with the Lords' Amendment, which required a state ment of the circumstances and facts on which in formations were founded ) as, though an oath (in troduced after much discussion in this House), was to be administered to the informer, there was tio.law to make the breach of that oath perjury. He moved, as an . Amendthent, that the debate should be adjourned till to-morrow. A short conversation ensued, in which Mr. ika- tburst, Lord Castlereagh, Mr. Denman, and Mr. Wynn, • were - s•peakers . ; after which the Aniend went was negatived' witlont n diOisio:r. Mr. DENVIAN . inoVed ; an Amendment to the Lords` Amendlntent, which went to provide, that . all and' every person con-victed of wilfully false swearing with'ilegard' td pers'ons' - about to leave the country, sb4he'deettied gniky, and suffer the punishment' of wilful' ant! corrupt perjury:' The' Amendment' was 'agreed' td (as were the Amendments of the -Lords)', and-Mr. BitodnEte Was :directed. to' communicate the setiae to the Lords. TUE DUKE OF KENT. .I%lr. Alderman WoOplirooglit . up the Report of the Committee on the' D+►ke of Kent's Affairs, which was read. The Report stated kis - Royal liighness to be in volved in difficulfic*.. It stated that fur e. uninht k,* VttiVrl3Eß P A It 1, LAMEN T. HOUSE OF LORDS, Juts 2. 'v 1,0 110 CHANCELLuR. previous to the House 4 :"intr. upou the Le t lislative Business, addressed NLf.rdships tit some lougth, prelimituirny, ttl' rt.•hect to the Qtrelisberry Causes, and , vi'h :fere t ,„ to his intended Judvueut. On Tuesday 11 e obi.erved, he should Mate hi, opinions ‘1 z 'Peritu the IA w upon the subject, and to which ~v • further cousiderAtiol of the case W 133 ad 401u-tied. 117, x - THE ROYAL ASSENT lie•.'ier•l,treti, by Cuinini•sion, to forty-two Put'. 11 "(I Privat e Amottg the f o i nse r were, 1 t G": 10.7 Bin, the Excise Ditties, the Customs' . the Asse”ed Taxes Composition, the ],, h ."icau 'I rade, Public Accomptants, 4titericati Ddtirs, Seamen's Wages, Co : b li es l'Oors' Settlement, Scots Say t',)4 Se() 9 Btirglis' Jails, Cotton 'il,tittifitc url.", Water Works, with:many others or roe' al deserip:ion. eb I,Ords Commi4sioners were, the luord ri" .t ellor toe Duke of MOntrose, and the Earl 11 .!arty et, ti -4- I,, , ,r,iships then adjourned for some time ng *sure. .. 141SCELLANEQUS. 1,, li the restmittgof the Elonse, Mr. Irving, the ntral, presented at the Bar of, the tAii - *. 7ati'Ai. c o r i nt of the Arms, Ammunition, Sz.c t a f 4tl i 4 t, Within a given period, from Great Bri ft o Old Spain. tt , .ltlason, from the East India House, pre d• bother Aeconut of the Grants, Allow- C„ tir ' Pensiotis, unticr Resolutions of the r Ditectois. l'rt 411 G REY presented a • pe tit i on from certain to -. , - " s iti!t Dissenters of Great and Li'tle Bough sire' ‘ l4 the 'Colin; y of Cumberland, praying an km r attan their favour, of the Mairiage Cere 711Y 6 1 file Church of England. Lad tut LAUDIIRD,ALE presented a petition li eane 'r. B. Beaumont, Esq against the Pnb• t n e Lie:flees Bill, setting forth the sentiMen , s . : I tikt: 6 el l. .tty the petitioner of the injurious.ten i's V of ihr Bill in its present shape, and.pray la- "'I hi 4 , lich the said Bill, may,tiot pass into a I ) i.iiii,; ll wa s ordered to lie on the table. "" Scots Banishment- Bill after fevir oh tr! 14 "011 from the 'gait tilLitiderdale in a low ut `.Dice, was (all was understood), read the "Tithe a • d lar: l\ r 's Shor t elotivetsation between t 1-te Title and tt "LtvEPooL, reSpecting • itn - brought . tip that even- Nobl e Sta'ted his intention of tlex t it ! "•iett ecOnilreattitir., of tbe Bill on Tuesday elf -. hen lie should assign Ids reasons favourthe • to the last Mentioned Bill, the An- Iv.,.,.,;Veco mp li ; - Sinking 'Fund •Loan, Fureign .‘r Slave Registry, 'NeW Forest, and one other Bill's,, were lit ought up from the Il e a ` fil l'is by Mr. ItROGDEN and others, and read 11,1 1 time. alrlll, , Lottnnittee of the whole House, their Lord.: trit a : i lbotet some AthendrnentS to the Friendly's tti. el • t MA' Bill, whibh Were oide'red to be reported Glut . the consideration of the Report of the , e4 ,:n. hi e FatindAtious' Bill, several,Amentimet!ts Cy o mat's theletii, n the stiggeition.of the LORD i' ttl 'eß%t.ii t , and ordered to be engrossed. tiik e ll 'eornmittee on the Wink Advaifees' ,- Bill, a t it* , 11114, 1) of sortie length ensued, at to the na tty e% te ndency, end tifects of the measure, he ir) : i n the Earls of LAUDFRDALR and LIVERPOOL, tit, t 4 litter most ably answered the objec iiis of th e form er , an d vindicated the expediency, T i " , and bent.ficial tendency of the measure. 2a rl (if LappeaDALE .suggested several roil ii " t nems in th e C om mittee,.and subsequently ' t l, utrl h' Report which •tiere - .ii - ii,'ltived by their :P r . BARNSTAPLE ELECTION BTLT,. OlO .evions t heir Lordships, entering upon the or the d a y f or r es um i ng the examtnatio la of Tr it toitching •te 4 Burl (it CAUSAKVOW gave nonce of his._ o 1 in ‘.Vj ott move the second reading of the Bi l l next, The Noble Earl then adverted tq t.4.(:had'patited on a farmer . evening,' relative their-14in wi tn h ebses Wo liad• given . evidence at sh;, Lord s hi ps ' b ar, i n d i rect contrad i ct i on to IQ„ "tieh they gave before a Committee of the e o ftommOns. He stated the proCeedingS ti ll ,„ 7 „ c ''lhe H ouse resolved upon in consa tier'", 'with respect to the a tt en d ance o f the wit tses to at their Lordships' bar, whose otnaints wer e N ea l e, H arris, and Edwards, and the tCluciou of the Short-hand Writers' notes of tk-Piltencq given by those persons before the litittee of the I-loose of Commons. The Noble 1411,:'n moved, that the said persons be 'forth... 9 cilettto: their Lordships' bar, for the par ! at farther examination. tv wart N l ordere d to the bar. The e ryas then I, ftee'given by the witness at their Lordships' S i 7l and, also b,efore the Corunitms Committee - , NI ? then read to him, and some questions mem t h i `p the occasion by one or two of their Lord . - 1 114 1 . i but lie persisted in the truth of the testi :l.ll)e had given at the bar. rteth:/r, Charles Green., Short-Band Writer, was Charl es Ile stated that a person named 41 . . 144fartbeen examined before the Commons ~41,'Iiee•;•.bUt could'nOt be p os i t iv e as , to tr,etiti.yns tl►e person who had just withdrawn tbeiT Lordships' li ar. tt,e.."C,iirP 'Farris and Robeet Edwards were then ily, r.otigh t. t but Mr. G reen , i n lik e man -4111.2.134)40 recollected that persons of those k •` teti exa+ iDed. before the Committee of the ",..:4 - -,, e t .., 1,..• 4 - ro-o . 044,. i t......tt 0. 7, - * -, it, It ' ;•'• '! . • v . ... e of years lie bail been eompe!leil to suinnit to many priration.3, and hod made wear ,aelifices to pro. vide for the payment of Ilia cre,fitors by i:tsttritt,T, on his life. That for a consiaerabie period he ii,l been o bliged to live on a very narrow income. That by setting apart a large portion of his income for the liquidation of his debts, he had succeeded reducing them to a sum not exceeding 70,0001. — That thus circumstanced he and his Royal Con sort were compelled to lie under obligations to personal friends, which ill befitted their rank. To extricate himself from his situation, his Royal Highness was desirous of parting with his house and manor At Castlebar, in the parish of Eating, in the county of Middlesex, for the value of the same. His Rayal Highness was willing to. make this sacrifice-, rather than stiffer his creditors longer to remain unpaid, or Jiis Royal Consort to he deprived of the comforts appertaining to her rank and situation. • Mr. Alderman IVooD, in rising to move for eave to bring in a Bill founded on the Resolu tions of the Committee, was sure the House would remember that, nu all common occasimai, he vas he great opponent of Lotteries. Bitt he, with an tionourai;le. Eriend of his, were .of opinion, bat the Lottery for which they desired to obtain he sanction of Parliament, would not be one of hat immoral character which he had been ac- costumed to oppose. The prizes and blanks in it would be decided by the drawing of the State Lottery, and consequently no additional tempta tion to gambling would be held out by it. It was not in his opinion a lottery like. this which of- • tered to speculators the full value of _the sums, which they were called upon to venture, that were the most objectionable. He had heard that it was reported that the _property was worth but 15,0001. Now, there was absolutely a mortgage on it of 50,0001., and it was very seldom, indeed, that estates were mortgaged for much above their value, and be was told it had cost 120,0001. If 1 1 he were permitted to bring in the Bill which he wished t'o introduce, such he should assure the House was the popularity of the Duke of Kent in the City, that the whole of the tickets would be immediately disposed of. They would indeed have been already sold, had not the sanction of Parlia ment to. this Bill been wanting. He knew a person who would pay down the value of the whole of the tickets, it the Bill passed. And what made the Duke of Kent stand so high in the City ? It was that - Which he had done that gave him his popularity, for where was there a Prince who had done so much to promote the public good as he had done. Not only had he revived many dormant charities for the relief of the poor, but he had been the means of creating not al few _new onv. He was at the head of almost all the cha- rities in the City, and so much was his time occu pied by them, that there was hardly a day in whicl he was not called upon to attend a charity sermon or_a public dinner.—(A laugh.)---This might ex cite a smile 1 _but he would say to those, who in dulged in it, " go thou and do likewise," and, if this advice .were taken, he was confidenvehe effect wotthl be a great improvement in, the morals of the rising generation., But he was to be opposed on the ground that there was no precedent for the motion he was about to make, or. if precedents somewhat similar could he adduced, it would be found that they were connected with public im provements. Withotti going back to theAdelphi, he could name four or five instances where lotte ries had been sanctioned that had not for their obj'ect any public improvement. The Adanses, he might remark, bad been allowed to Wee re course to a lottery, .not to effect any public im. peoeenient e but to diiliose of buildings, which having begun, they found themselves neable to fiuieh. . He might refer to the Pigot Diamond Lottery ; to the Lottery sanctioned by Parliament to enable the unfortunate specelators in Picket street to pay their debts ; and also to a Picture Lottery recently authorized, which he was told contained nothing but, trash. On a recent occa sion too it would he recollected, that the Home had granted a Lottery to the Bankrupts connected with the Bridge at Sii . nderiand. He having be come a creditor there, had had four tickets in that Lottery, and the HouSe would be surprised when he read to them the 'letter. which he had re ceived concerning them. He had not known that it was in his possession till tleat morning, when inquiring of one of his . family what had gone with the tickets, they were produced, with an extraordinary ewe, which he would read.— [The note was from the assignees to the bankrupts, and addressed ter the creditors. It stated, that having, by great perseverance and private inte rest, obtained an Act of Parliement for raising 30,000/. by the sale of tickets for a Lottery, they now required the assistance of the creditors ti, dispose of the same, without Which the Act would _prove abortive. They proposed that each credi tor should take 'tickets to the amount of two shillings in the pone'd.]—ln till's note, it would be seers, there was absolutely an assertion made that the' solicitor to the Bill hail 1130 " private , interest," its order to get it passed. This would, he thought, appear to the House, as it did to bitif, to be a most extraordinary declaration. Iu the eese immediately before the firiuse;that which the'Delte of Kent wished was this, that be Might he enabled to pay his debts by the stele of his pro._ petty. lie could wish ee et y man, from the pi ince eo the peasant, animated by the same feelings ; and he should not care how many such . Lotteries were proposed. Ilis Royal Highness bad for se veral years been in* the habit of putting aside three-font' f:8 of his income to pav kis debts.— Half of them had thus been liquidated, end he was willing now to give up hie property to pay thteretnainder. Not one shilling of the money so raked . woeld 'tie kept from his creditors, and it it siinuld' tebt le r ;i'stlftkient 16 satisfy-their claims, [PRECE SEVENPENC P. lic would still go on depriving hims&t of A large portion of his income as heretofore. He had now dune his duty in 'bringing ibis subject f - ward,.and it, was for the Gentlemen opposire who had candidly told him that they meant to oppose his motion, to state their reasons for doing so.— The House of course, if they should agree to the present motion, %you'd nor pass the BM till the value of the property was proved. Ile couelmi. ed by moving for leave to hringin i Bill to ena ble his Royal ,Highness the Doke of Pleat to dis pose of the Manor-house of Castlebar; in the pa rish of Ealina in the cou'nty of 'Middlesex, LI Public Lotte Cy. Mr. GUENFELL was of opinion that the public ; services of the Royal Duke,t he value of the pro petty, and the former Lotteries' which Lad been referrcd,tri, bad nothing to do with the question pow ' . befote, the House. lie culled upon the: , HOnse to consider ►what would belt he consequences of sanctioning a principle like that on which the preient Motion Was founded. if on this occasion they favoured a Lottery to enable the D ot Kent. to raise 70,0001. on what ,prL,ciple could they refuse permission to auy other individual to dispose' of property in the same ?—(F6ear; hear, hear !)-=-He thought they owed it to theta►». selves not to stiffer such► a MU tO be brought in. Mr. Hums Would be much disposed to concur with the lion. Member for Marlow in what had just taller) from him, if thiS hail been the first measure of the kird ever-proposed to the House., but after 5 or 6 such Bills had passed, it was rather odd 'fiat it should row for the fist time be disco vered that to accede to a snot lois like that before the louse would be to establish a dangerous pret.-e -cnt. The course taken by the Hon.' Member near him, who had questioned Ministers on a fortner occasion as to what they meant to do with respect to a Private before the. Committee re potted on it, was, in his opinon, a proceeding wholly without a precedent. Was it because the Duke of Kent was son to the King that he W 33 to experience opposi7ion that would be offered to no other subject) Ilthis were not the feeling, why should a question be asked on a topic of which little or nothing could be known. iWlit n be (Mr. Hutite) applied to the Chancellor of the Ex chequer on thii head, he had been t , dtl that there was .no precedent for such an application ; he had,. however, found, that the possessor o f the, Pigot Diamond had been allowed to dispose of it by a Public Lottery, and it could therefore only be said, that there was no precedent for the application, because the appit.ant was a Royal Duke, and had not the rights of a humbler sub ject. The Right lion. Gentleman, however, had stated, in a candid and manly mannerfthat he dis approved of the application altogether. On find. ing that there was a precedent, in the case of the Pigot Diamond Lottery, for that which had been, desired in favour of the Duke of Kent, he bad made a second tepresenta'tion'on the subject to Ministers, but without effect-. For three years past the Duke of Kent had retained of his income but 7,0001., the remaining 17,0001. having hcea regularry Set apart for the liquidation of; his debti. It was only when it became a Itiestion whether he should sell his prOperty "or' desert the country, that his Royal Highness had determined on taking the step 'ott which the Motion now before the House was founded, It was then that he said,. I will put myself in the situation of any other . subject, apply for permission to dispose my property hy, a public lottery, and I hope Ministers will 'not refuse my request." He was sort y that the approbation of Ministers had not been ob tained (for the Chancellor of the Exchequer had bad the candour to say his opinion remained-un-, changed), but he thought himself bound in jus tice to,the:Duke of Kent to state the grounds on which he considered him to be entitled to that for whichhe'had applied. Few perhaps were aware. that at the age of IS, in the year 1785, the Doke of'Kent went to Hanover, where he joined the Han Over Guard, when such was the provisiots made . for hint, that there was no son of a Womble romitioner in that place "who did riot receive a higher allowance 'froth home than his RoyAl Highness. It would hardly be believed that for five gears after he went abroad, no more than two pistoles a week were allowed him for pocket- a money. Coming in contact as he most day after day with the sons of wealthy commouers; what could be expected but that he would be compelled to borrow ? This lie accordingly did. It was lu cked in his situation unavoidable, and in 1790, the debts thus contracted amounted to 20001. Had the same provision been made for hint , as foe his elder Brothers, he meant to pity his debts its an honourable manner, but be was never permit ted to enjoy the same allowances. From nano. ver he was relllloVed to Gibraltar, and Irona Gibtaltar to Canada, where he re!miined for some years the Colonel of a Regiment, receivine. but a small table allovvanye. From"l79o to' i 799, exposed to ail those calls for clarity which' never fail to pursue an individual of his exalted rank, it was not, to he expected that he could do any citing to reduce his debts. Not only was he, : incapabl of doing this, but they necessarily increased. lit the year 1793, he received orders to pot himself under Sir Charles GJey, to prucred to the attack, of Martinique. - Instead of waitiog, as some Offi cers world have dune, to be taken up at Canada, in otd,r; to avoid unnecessary delay.i . he itornedia male procr6led without loss of lime through the United States of America towards hiS desCna tion, Doing this, he had the tnisfortiwe to - lose the whole of his equipment on one of the Lakes. Fo'r this loss be received no remuneration till air teeo years had elapsed. At last, during the Ad ministration of Lord 11: Petty, he received the sum of :40001. in consideration of the loss he had sustained; the interest of which alone had cost his - 50001„,. - He knew it ,would be / • ils he [Ti irf .01 of O i ; to tlf A' all re re ;0- I CE , icr' ;se - At • St; :to'?