The Sun. — London, England, 1841-05-14 00:00:00

MORNING EDITION__ SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS. FROM THE DAILY PAPERS OF YESTERDAY. CHRONICLE.—A new demarcation of parties will pro bably result from the present Parliamentary straeale. The country will henceforth be divided into the;Monopolists and the. Anti-Monopolists. The distinction is much more important than that of Whigs and Tories.: It will supersede Conservatism and Radicalism. The terms are intelligible, and power fully expressive. The difference means something that affects every person through every day. The clothes which any one pats on in the morning, and the sheets between which he sleeps at night; the tea and sugar, bread, meat, and drink, of breakfast, dinner, and supper; the amount of money in the purse, and the cost of almost every article on which it canbe expended; all will bring home to the perception of the individual the influence of political struggle, and the connection of his interests with the conduct ef the Government by the Monopolist party, or the Anti losopolist party. In such a strife, there can be little space for neut r ality or i n diff e r e nce. The agitation which carried the Reform Bill was a conte , t for means, rendered intense by en expectation of their efficiency, which has not been realised. The disappointment precludes a revival of the feel ing then evinced ; nor can it be excited for any larger objects of the same kind, the effect of which has thus been rendered problematical. What, then, remains for the people, but that they should go at once for the good which they hoped and la boured to secure by organic changes? This is the railway path to their purpose. Further organic changes may, nr may not o be requisite to their success. That will soon appear. But let there be no longer any confusion o' means and ends. " lip with monopoly" is in the hearts of the faction now striving for the powers of Government ; and the war-cry of all the rest of the community is " Down with monopoly." TIMES.—We do not say that Ministers have not a right to alter their views every year, as serpents change their skins ; nor do we mean to reproach them for this any more than for any other natural infirmity : but when they speak (as Lord John Russell did on Friday last) of the opposition which they encounter on this occasion, as " the most fac tious that could be resorted to," and of Lord San don's resolution as involving the principle that re striction and prohibition are the best maxims of com mercial policy ;" when they denounce those who insist upon keeping faith with the free labourers of the West Indies, as monopolists and enemies to free trade, we cannot help asking whether they perceive the consequences of their own invectives ? If Lord Sandon is an advocate of monopoly now, Mr. Labouchere must have been an advocate of mono- 1 poly in 1840 ;—if the principles of free trade are incompatible with the present arguments of the Conservative party, they must have been equally incompatible with the same arguments when advanced in 1840 from the Treasury benches. With respect to the logical cogency of the arguments themselves, an incurable blindness seems to have come upon the Wbgs within the space of the last twelve months. The Conservatives take their stand upon a broad principle of humanity, and, looking to the practical effect certain to follow from the measures pro posed, refused to become parties to an act which would inevi. tably give a strong impulse and decided encouragement to sla very and the slave-trade. HERALD.—In the resumed debate of last night, the apeeeh of Lord Stanley proved a feature which (we may safely predict) w:11 be studied with general interest and gratification. Ail who desire to tee the arguments of Lord John Russell f r the first of those destructive propositions with which he appears to have determined to close his official existence, fairly met, man fully answered, and logically disposed of, will peruse Lord Stanley's address, highly as they may have already esti mated - his ability, with even enhanced respect for his frank character and admiratietedhis noble talents. His exposure of the absurd inconsistency of contending for the Ministerial re solutions, as being identified with the principles of free trade, seeing that the discriminative duties on our colonial sugars which they were to establish and leave, were especially in the nature of a monopoly, was in the most forcible manner of that masculine intellect, which the Noble Lord can bring to bear, at all times, with equal facility to the searching discus sion of an abstract question, or the decomposing analysis of a fiscal joggle, however craftily concocted, or plausibly or tech nically propounded. He certainly riled the resolutions of all their sugar, and left to Ministers nothing but the bitterness of a stern rebuke, and the consciousness of having merited it , to relieve the distress which their political delinquency has brosight upon them. POST.—The Whigs have maintained that under their ma nagement of affairs the revenue has so declined as to he in a very deplorable way indeed. They have made this discovery rather suddenly, and we wish the honesty of their measures in consequence were commensurate with the truth and frankness of the avowal. But unfortunately this is not the case. They tell us what a very bad state the revenue is in at present, and - how urgently necessary it is that an improvement should be effected; and then they assume, without showing any reasonable ground for the assumption, that certain revolutionary proj cts in commercial affairs which they desire to accomplish would bring in to the impoverished Exchequer all that it requires ! We ask what precedent these Whig misiranagers can refer to which would justify the public in believing that their financial antici pa.iens are likely to be correct? If they have no character as infallible financial prophets to rely upon, as we contend they certainly have not., then they are bound to show, in the clearest manner that official returns and arithmetic can show it, the probable gain of their proposed patronage of forei g n labour, whether of slaves in Southern America, or of serfs in Northern Europe. But this they have not dared to attempt. GLOBE.—Lord Stanley has, at all events, a better title than the Noble Mover of the question before the House, to assume Anti-Slavery championship. We suppose it was on the principle of Fiat experi nienttim in cor porevili, that the Noble Lord, the Member for Liverpool, was put in the front of the battle. Mr. Gladstone too, who was last night reminded by Lord Howiek and Mr. V. Smith of the wisdom contained in the old proverb, that " those who live in glass houses should not be the first to throw stones," was certainly the most curious champion that could well be selected, considering all his past and pre sent connections, of West and East Indian freedom. Hut Lord Stanley has an undoubted right to " star" it in that part—the more so, as he took so brilliant a benefit, in the same performance, some years back. The eclat of the piece indeed was rather highly paid for ; and the appearance of the same performer, on the same boards, is somewhat ominous of similar results affecting John Bull's pocket. M. Thiers was called the Napoleon of expense durin g his short Ministry ; a title equally applicable to Lord Stanley's Irish and Colonial Secretarvships. The phrase " extinction of tithe" cost this country the million loan to the Irish clergy ; and the liberal indifference between the phrases of loan and gift cost thorn twenty millions more to the West India planters. It is now the question how much more Lord Stan ley's phrases should, in conscience, cost us ? We concede- considerable ability to the Noble Lord's speech last night ; we must also concede that it showed more command of reasoning, _and temper than usual. But the practical question recurs, How much must the, public pay for able speeches ? And how much for "porter" and " champagne" to the " imitative" negro mon-labourers ? Sooner or later, evidently this state of things must come to a termination. If the negroes slumber on the natural bounties of the soil, and cease to labour for others, their probable fate will be that of Hayti—a simi-civilisation of their own—which will soon lose its temporary luxu ries of imitation, and all its other advantages of contact with European existence. If they continue to labour just as little as they please, that cannot go on much longer— for every other people, including the "free and enlighten ed" American citizens, have to labour in good earnest for all their enjoym e nt s , " i m it a tiv e " or otherwise. We confess we have been rather astonished that the publi cation, and complacent citation of the new indulgeuces of the free blacks (far above our own middle classes), has .not suggested rather more reflection to the authors of such statements. It is the excess of British labour that pays for all this tropical ease. STA:',;DAIZI).—One of the earliest economists on re cord is Judas Iscariot, he professed great interest for the poor ; the parenthesis of the Evangelist tells why -- " because he was a thief and carried the bag." And exactly as sincere as his professions are thts professions of those who propose to re vive the slave trade for the benefit of the poor. A good deal of sneering has been indulged in at the ex pense of those who opposed the abolition law, and yet now resist the attempt to revive the slave trade. For ourselves, we are unconcerned in these sneers—our course has been uniform and consistent ; we have always opposed slavery in every shape. But are not the Ministers and their adherents now acting the apology of all who Ori posed the abolition law ? Are they not provi ng , first, that s ome, at least, of the abolitionists never cared forliberty ; that for money they are willing to promote a far worse slavery than ever existed in the British colonies ; and that as to the British negroes, so far were these abo litionists from really caring for them, that, having for one consideration relinquished the profit of -their labour as slaves, they are now ready in sell them to famine and barbarism for an other ? There is no temptation to say anything of the qualities and merit of Lord Stanley's speech. Every one will read it, and whatever we might venture to say in its praise would probably fall short of the reader's judg ment. One point may, however, be remarked upon_ the Noble Lord's complete success in proving that he has not departed from the principles of Mr. Hus kisson. It is only necessary to recur to Mr. Huskisson's speeches on the Corn-laws in 1814, 1815, and to his speeches on t he sugar duties in 1820, to see that his theory was founded upon the principle of vigilant and efrefetual protection, how much soever he may unfortu n)tely have departed from this theory in practice. COURIER.—The lagging wearisome debate was last evening wound up, reinvigorated, and embellished with a master speech of a master spirit, that of Lord Stanley. Rich in the graces of style and eloquence of the highest order as it is, it may be truly said to be still more surpass ingly superior for the logical accuracy, the perspicuous ar zangement, the severe and irresistible truth of its facts and argument It would be vain to attempt its analy sis, or to hope to convey by any mere outline a faint impression only, of its extraordinary ability and tre mendous power. In the House where delivered the ex citement and conviction produced went hand in hand, nor can. its influence be less over the country at large. "Leaving the argument on the main questions of sugar duties and free trade, we would point attention to th ose passages of the speech, in which he works out with ini mitable point and caustic effect the description of a Mi nistry a+ la ni) reigns b ut does govern—which is tricked out in the trappings an d r t eg - alia, and endowed 'with the Itonorarios of office, whilst the real effective power is lodged elsewhere, alternately wielded by O'Con nell in the name of the Government, or directed by the great Constitutional party in the State against them. MONEY MA RKETand CITY NF WS. FROM THE 31ORNIN4 rAPER% OF YESTERDAY. CHRONICLE.—The funds emitinue flat--the business is principally consned to sales of Stock, and money continues in demand on the Stock Exchange, but out of doors the increase iof the rates is trifling. The speech of Mr. Irving in the House of Commons last - night has attracted much attention in the City, and afforded no small fund of amusement. The Honourable Member, it is well known, is a leading Director or Shareholder in the Macaubas Mining Company, which concerns, it is said, po s _ sass nearly LOCO slaves. the Honourable Member said that, " if he had squeezed blood out of the negro race he had squeezed no gold." The truth is, however , that he has done bit beet to to both, although the concerns have certainly been losing ones. It is generaily understood that the loss ex perienced by the Honourable Member from his traffic in the slave trade, has been hay ram pe tin ted by the profits he has rea llb e e i n eleensivv vpscilations sa su"ar, which, owing to the great rise in the price of th at article, have brought hi m an enormous return. TlMEB...—What with the suspense of the public mind on the issue ad the subject now before the Hotue of Commons, and the eentiatteti demand for money, which eceereantle Moly THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, MAY than 5 per cent. on the tlepostt of English stock, the Consol The Duke of Wellington had said in the House of Lords Market has Been in a h.-avy state all the day. that Earl Fitzwilliam did wrong in saying that the Corn laws had been enacted simply for the protection of the land owners, that they did not care at ail for pelt; and their only object was protection. But whoever heard of pro tection as something ultimate ? Protection was a means and not an end ; anti the protection wanted was a pro tection of pockets.—(Great cheers.) The motion was then put by the CHAIRMAN, and car ried unanimously. The Rev. DAVID JONES moved " That the alarming. increase of disease in the land was attributable to the high price of provisions and to the stagnation of trade, and that the principles of religion; humanity, and justice required that there should be a free supply of the neces saries rather than the luxuries of life." The resolution was seconded by the Rev. J. GUTHRIE, and on being put by the Chairman, was carried unani mously. On the motion of Mr. Alderman R. WiLsoN, seconded by Mr. JOHN JONVITT WiLsoN, a petition founded on th.• above resolution was agreed to, and having been signed by the Chairman on behalf of the meeting, was dispatched to the member for the borough, George William Wood, Esq., for presentation to the House of Commons. A vote of thanks was then given to the Chairman, and the meeting broke up. PRICE OF SUGAR. EFFECT OF MONOPOLY. Table showing the ex-euty price of West Ind;a Sugar, in Mincing lane, and comparing the sime against ti at of Fo reign Sugars : London, Ma:, 14th, I'4l. The Gazette of this evening will quote the aye- Per cwt. ra.,st price of British Plantation Muscovado Sugar, exclusive of duty, at The quantity . of West Indian Sugar sold in this market, en account of the importers, in the week ending the Ilth instant, according to the returns made on oath by the West India Sugar Brokers, in conformity with the Act of Parliament, and on which quantity the above price is computed, consisted of 1,053 hhds 94 tierces and 4 barrels. In consequence of the avowed intention of the Government to reduce the duty on Foreign Sugar, there have been no sales made in them this week ; the quotation of price, therefore, remains as before, about 19s. per cwt. for Manilla Sugar, being, taking quality for quality, about 16s. per cwt. cheaper than West India Sugar. During the present week, owing to the opinion which prevails in Mincing-lane, that the Government will not be able to carry their measure for the reduction of the duty on foreign sugar, prices for West India and Nlauritius sugars have ad vanced about 4s. per cwt. Should Ministers be in a minority en this important question, their defeat will be mainly attribut able to the hostility which the Anti-Slavery Society have shown to the measure. Strange to say, this Society has on this occa sion fraternized with the West D.dian body, for what reason no person can tell, unless to favour sundry theoretical notions about the welfare of the emancipated blacks ; or it may be, with a view to protect the produce I f some estates i❑ the West Indies, which the Society has taken under its management and patronage. Be that as it may, the opposition of the Society to the Government could not arise from an appre hension that slave labour sugar wort d be introduced to British consumption, because the members, who may be said to represent the Anti-Slavery interest in the House, actually opposed the measure before they knew how the details of it wou.d operate. From whit has since trans. ired, it appears that it was the intention of the Government to re duce the duty on Sugar raised in tho e countries which are tributary to the East India Company to 325. per cwt., and on other Sugars grown east of the Cape of Goal Ho, e to 365. per cwt., and on clayed Sugars, of which the whole produce of the Brazils and of Cuba consist, to 425., which latter duty would have operated to the total exclusion of those :-ugars from our markets, for the Sugar refiners of this country with the British Sugars, at a duty of 245. per cwt., and the other East India Sugars at 325. per cwt., would have been able not only to keep Havannah and Brazils out of the British markets, but they also, with the exception of Russil, which countr), fosters and protects the Sugars from Cuba, would have expelled these classes of Sugar from every market in Europe. Allowing the Sugar duties, therefore, to remain as they are, is tantamount to giving direct encouragement to slave-labour Sugar. PUBLIC MEETING IN SOUTH WARK IN SUPPORT OF THE MINISTERIAL MEASURES FOR GIVING THE PEOPLE CHEAP FOOD AND FOIL COMMERCIAL REFORM. A numerous and highly respeotable meeting of the electors of the Borough of Southwark was yesterday held in the Town, hall, at one o'clock, JOHN HotstEs, Esq., High Bail;_rai, in the chair, for the purpose of taking into con ideation the propriety of petitioning the Houses of Parham: en t t o support the measures of her Majesty's Ministers increasing the revenue by reducing the different duties on colonial produce, in orde •to avoid the imposition of new 'taxes; and far giving to the people cheap food and increased employment, by reducing the duties on foreign grain, a:ad thereby enabling other coun t! ies to take our man'afactures in exchange for their pro.tuce. The meeting was convened in compliance with a requisition bearin g s the signatures of about one hundred and twenty of the mast respectable and influential firms in the Bo rough, and co . n.aining the names of g‘ , ntlemen of every shade ofpolitical ',pinion, in proof of which we may observe that while the first s'gnature to the requisition, is that of Messrs. 8., W., and T. Hawes, geniemen whose liberal principles are well kno,a n ; the second is that of John We4ern, Esq., the banker, one of the stanchest Conservatives in the Borough. At one o'clock the High Bailiff entered the Hall, and was re ceived with loud demonstrations of ,a; isfaction ; he was accompa nied by Mr. Alderman Hor.- . .phrey, M.P., one cf . the Illtmbers for the Borough, who was lousily cheered, and was shortly after wards followed by B. Wood, Esq., the other Member, whose appearance was the signal for the most enthusiastic :cheering. Among those pretent we observed Mr. J. T. Harris, Mr. Cooper, Mr. Vouslee, Dr. Bedford, Mr. J. Lain MOM Mr. Jackson, the Depu'y High Bailiff, Mr. J. Curling, mid M. It eston. The HlGfi BAILIFF having taken the chair, addressed the meeting as follows :—Genth men, I have vivisect this meetingof the inhabitants of Southwai k to be assembled in compliance With the requisition numerously and respectably signed. I!eel it to be my duty, andit is also a pleasure to me, as the presid ing officer of this ancient borough, to give its inhabitants the amplest opportunity of expressiug their sentiments, not only upon those subjects which are connected with their own lec but also upon chose which affect the infers' is id* the nation at large; and I have the greater , aei,fac ion in ciang togeth,r the inhabitants of this borough. beeai.se I know, from long ex perience, that all their meetings are characterised by that libe rality arid good fe-ling which render their proceedings orderly, and the duty of the Chairman not only easy but agreeable._ ( Cheers ) I shall now cause the requisition to be read, and then call upon those now assembled topripoo some resolutions for the adoption of the nteetiiig.—( Loud iheers.) The requisition having been read, GREAT ANTI-CORN-LA W MEET- ISG AT KENDAL. On Monday evening last, the 10th instant, in conse quence of a requisition presented to the Mayor, a meet ing, of the inhabitants of Kendal was held in the Town Hall, for the purpose of considering the proposed altera tions in the - import duties now under the consideration of Parliament. JAMES MACHELL, EsT, the Mayor, was in the chair. The CHAIRMAN opened the business of the meeting by reading the requisition, and expressing a hope that the meeting wonl&listen with patience and attention to the speeches of the several gentlemen who would address them on the subject. Mr. ISAAC WILSON, of Kent-terrace, rose to move the first resolution. It gave him great pleasure to see so numerous an assemblage on that occasion, as it showed him that they took the same interest on the subject now before Parliament that he himself did. If ever there was a time when it was necessary for the inhabitants of the town of Kendal to show what were their wishes upon the Corn-laws, that was the time. They had all seen that the trade of the town was declining—more especially the trade which they had with foreign countries. He was well aware what was the cause of it : it was because foreign countries could not send back their corn in return for the manufactured articles of this country. If we would take their corn they would take our manufactures ; and both the master manufacturers and the operatives would re ceive great advantage from free trade both in corn and in the manufactures of this and other countries. On these grounds he would move That the meeting regarded the exertions of all monopolies that fetter and crush industry, and which have already told with such alarming effects upon the trade of the kingdom as part of a system which, if continued, must sooner or later bring ruin upon the nation at large ; that the interests of all classes, especially of the agricultural and manufacturing labourers, Impera tively demanded their abolition, and required the esta blishment of such a system of free trade as would open to the wants and products of this country the supplies and markets of the world." Mr. WEsToN rose, and was received with loud cheering. He said he felt ratified at having been called upon on the pre sent occasion to ;propose for their adoption a petition to the Houses of Lords and Commons—(Cheers)—although he feared that the nervousness which he experienced in addressing so numerous an assembly would revent him from doing justice to the subject. I hose who were aware that in political sentiments he was generally opposed to her Majesty's present advisers, might perhaps feel surprised at his coming forward on the present occasion, but he felt that the measures they were now proposing ought not to be discussed as mere party coesi derations.—( Cheers ) They were measures involving the will-being of the whole community—(Cheers)—of the mil lions not only of this country, but of the whole world.— (Cheers.) He had always been favourable to a change in the corn-laws, and to that point he should particularly address himself in the observatious he was about to make to them, not but what he agreed in the other measures of comno rcial reform which had been proposed by the Government.—( Loud cheers.) He thetteht the present a most favourable moment for considering the propriety of revis ng the laws relating to the,importation of corn, because as there was not any great abundance of corn in the country, so that the sho,k of any al teration would not be severely felt, while, at the same time, our regulations had so discouraged the growth of corn in fo reign countries, that even with a duty of 2s. 841., which was the amount of duty during a portion of the last year, the amount of foreign corn in our granaries, together with the amount of unconsutued British grown corn. would be barely sufficient to carry us on to the harvest Was that a situation in which any country ought to be placed by its Government?—(Cheers.) It was the first duty of esery Government to see that the people were provided with a suffi ciency of the first necessary of li'e.—(Cheers.) Let what would happen, the multitude must be fed—(Cheers)—and he was satisfied that while the present system discouraged the pro duction of corn abroad, it did not encourage the production of it in this country to anything like the extent which had been supposed. The present system was, in fact, a complete failure.—(Cheers.) It had not answered the purpose for which it had been devised, and was detrimental even to the corn-grower himself.—(Cheers.) Another objection which he had to it was the great irregularity which it occasioned in the money market—(Cheers)—and all those who heard him must be aware how much the derangements of the money market, occasioned by the operation of the Corn-laws, had tended to cripple the commerce of the country.--( Cheers. ) The disastrous effects produced during the last four years by the operation of the Corn-laws had been most extensive.—( Cheers.) With regard to the agriculturists themselves the mea ure proposed by the Govern ment left them fair protection. It was not such a sweeping measure as hail been represented, and the proposed protection was in tact much greater than it appeared to be at first sight, The proposed duty itself was to be Bs. Now, before the corn could reach the port from which it was to be exported, a charge of ss. or 6s. per qteetter would have been incurred for car risge, and the charges for freight would ae,ount to ss. or 6s. more, so that with the duty the agriculturists would still have a protection of 20s. a quarter, and if they were rot able to grow corn profitably with a protection of 20s a quarter, the sooner they left off growing corn in his opinion the better.— ( Cheers.) It had been supposed by many that the effect of the Government [imposition would be to inundate the country with foreign corn. He did not. apprehend that such would be the ease. It might lower the price of corn in this country. and so far it would effect a benefit to the peoile of this coun try ; but the principal good which he expected from it was, that it would rag-e the price of labour abroad to an equality with the price of labour in this count ry.—(Cheers. ) If they could make the foreign labourer receive for his wages the same amount that the labourer received for his wages in this country, then the competition between this country and fo reigners would be a fair one.—( Cheers.) He b. lieved that no mischief coo d possibly ari.e om the proposed alteration, and he had great pleasure in proposing the petition for their adoption t—( Loud cheers ) Mr. W. HAwEs, in seconding the motion, said that in the observations which he was about to address to them, he should endeavour to enlist their sympathies on behalf of their poorer fellow-subjects. He could not address them more appropriately than as fellow citizens.—(Cheers.) He appeared to them on behalf of the interests of the country against the class interests of the mono • polists. —(Cheers.) They had not conic there to support one class to the exclusion of all consideration for the sufferings in flicted upon the rest of their fellow-subjects. —t Ch, ers. ) They had come there to promote the well-being of the great ma-s of the manufacturing and labouring classes.—(Cheers.) The Government had brought forward a measure for the freedom of trade, by which that principle was not indeed carried so far as he could have wished it—(Cheers)--but it was a much greater measure than any that had ever before been brought before the country--(Cheers)—and he hoped the country would not forget to support those who had thus manfully come forward to the assistance of their suffering -fellow country men. (Cheers. ) They had proposed to diminish the duties on many great articles of ccnsumption. The first article to e hich he would allude was the article of timber. They were obliged to use bad timber instead of good, with a duty of 3 1 )0 per cent., and the good timber was prohibited simply to promote the in terests of one class of traders only, and that class now inter fered to prevent good timber being introduced which, while it would be of great benefit to the country, would also inctease the revenue. It was 'aid that this was only a rich man's ques tion, but such was not the case. It was a poor man's question. The poor man was more interested in our having a supply of good timber at a cheap rate, than was generally imagined, for while the cost of timber for large houses amounted to only 10 per cent. on their value, the cost of timber for small houses amounted to 30 per .cent. This was, therefore, a poor man's mea sure.—(Loud cheers.) That an increase of con sumption at a lower duty, tended to increase the revenue was proved by what had happened with regard to coffee. The duty had bsen reduced in 1824 on one species of coffee from 2s. 6d. to Is. 3d., and on another from Is. to 6d. ; the duty in 1824 on coffee amounted to 400.0001.. the dnty at pre sent paid on that article amounted to 900,0001. They all now had coffee greatly cheaper, and yet the revenue had been etior mousli, increased. The same thing had happened, to a less extent, with regard to tea. With regard to sugar, the Govern ment. proposed still to leave a protection to the West India interests ; and those interests, to prevent this measure, which was for the general good of the country, being cat-lied into effect, now for the first time professed that they were actuated by intense sympathy for the slaves, whose free dom they had so strenuously opposed oily a few years ago.—( Loud cheers.) But that was only a shallow pretext for covering their want of sympathy to the suffering labouring closes in this country.--(Cheers.) They had not dared to appeal to them on the subject.—( Cheers.) They had boasted of their Operative Conservative Associatiens. Had they called them together and fair) , stated the case to them, anti then called for their opinion ? They had not done it.— (A voice from the crowd tt Yes.") He should be glad to know where and when.—(Cheers.) Was there a petition stating that while foreigners paid 3d. per lb. for their sugar, we ought to be forced to pay ed. per lb. for ours. Would any one sign such a petition ?—( Cheers and laughter.) Sugar was now become a necessary of life to the millions, and to the millions he would appeals—(Cheers.) Would they support a tax upon those whose voices were unheard and unrepresented in the House of Ceimmons.—(Cheers). '1 hey all knew what a little luxury was , an d they would strive har d to ma k e t hi s little more, and th ey wou l d cone nd, for that purpose , against them inopoly of any class.—(Cheers.) He would contend for entire freedom of trade, for then right to buy their commo dities at the cheapest market, and to sell their labour at the dearest.—( Loud cheers.) The next was the question of corn, a question including all the others, and which, if they couid carry, freedom of trade must fall. The question of cheap fond was the measure on which the existence of the Liberal Government must depend.__( Cheers.) The happiness of the people depended upon it. The qaestion was, were they to have cheap living with plenty of employment, or dear living with little employment. Tney found countries with plenty of fond who were willing to take our manufactures but who had nothing but corn to give u s i n exchange. We refused to take it. Other nations produced manufactures. In those natio. s food could be obtained at a cheaper ra.e, and the consequence seeS, they were underselling 'is. He did not ask for a free trade in' corn without some protection, but he thought Bs. was too high a one ; but he was that willing to acc ep t it f or th e pre sent. to see • how it would equal their • expectaions, and let tho-e wiseeeetw: supported the existing monopoly beware how they ‘ refusesf offer, for it was not likely they whh, again have so, good JP; 0ne....-(Cheers.) It was said that we aught not .to- aeleri 4 u pon foreigners for a supply oreoed, bait' eve 'did depend upon them 11.9 w for a !Ipply of .cotton , them for f6cd; alt ttericb did - not. Whenthe'dutY and the poor depended Mr. SIMPSON seconded the resolution. which, on being put by the Chairman, was carried unanimously. Mr. E. GIBSON moved the second resolution, " That the high price of sugar, the protection so long exclu sively enjoyed by the West Indian planters, and the danger of entirely closing our trade with the Brazils, as well as the financial state of the country, called for an immediate alteration of the sugar duties to the full ex tent proposed by the Government, and the meeting con templated with indignation the possible rejection of so wise and necessary a proposition. Mr. &nix WIIITWELL seconded the resolution. He did so because he conceived that the measure which had recently been proposed in Parliament was wise, judicious, and, above all, necessary. They were all aware that the I price of sugar was now such as to exclude many per sons from consuming the usual quantity. Why was it so ? It was not because there were not consumers enough, nor yet because there were not in the world at large parties who would not buy the produce ; but because the markets were closed to them by the Legislation which had hiterto guided the Government of the country. The new sys tem, he conceived, must necessarily meet with the ap probation of all wise and sound thinking men. Govern ment had now come to that point when the finances of the country were not sufficient to defray its expenditure. IVhether the affairs of the , nation had been conducted in the most prudent man ner or not he was not prepared to say ; but, at all events, the expenditure exceeded the income ; and the question was, whether the people should be called on to pay additional taxes, or whether such a plan should be introduced as would not only prevent the thing from bearing hard upon the community, but would benefit and bless them in every point of view. That was the great scheme which the Government had proposed for adoption. If they would look at the state of trade at the present time, they would see gloom, melancholy, and wretchedness everywhere pervading it. The Gazette was filled with bankrupts—and despondency had yielded to despair. Gloom was spread over every countenance —every one spoke of distress, and no one knew where it would end. Why was it so ? It was because the manufacturers of this country met with opposition from abroad. Foreign nations were introducing British manufactures into their looms. Indeed, by its policy, this count r y h a d com p e ll e d th e m to do so. Had we con tinued to take their corn, foreign nations would never have resorted to any other mode of labour than that of raising corn. The consumer of any produce was the person who paid the maker of it. Those who employed the working classes indeed paid them ; but they were not the ori ginal paymasters. The consumers were, and the law as it now existed was one of the chief causes that operated in preventing the manufacturer from carrying his labour to the best market. He would give them another reason why trade abroad was more plentiful than in this country, it was because they could produce things at a much lower price. He had got two loaves made as the best il lustration of the subject. " This (said he) is the six penny loaf which is now selling in the shops, and this is loaf which Lord John Russell proposes. I think there is some disparity between the two ; and I do not think that this (handling the larger) is such a despicable affair." —(Cheers.) That perhaps might be a homely illustra tion, but he thought it preferable to give them ocular de monstration of the fact. There must be, he contended, a change of system if this country was to be benefited-- a system of fair play and no favour. The principles of free trade were those which, in the end, would benefit the country ; they were necessary to the existence of the people, and the continuance of the prosperity of the country. For these, and many other reasons which might be specified, he begged leave to second the resolution.— Carried unanimously. The Rev. EDWARD HAWKES rose to move the next resolution, and was received with loud cheers. After making some remarks on a passage in the Earl of Win chelsea's speech in the House of Lords on Monday, the be taxe d theneveroughtupon peo ple livedt was because e c directuse cause of death. That had been practically found to be the case, the deaths among t h e poor in dear generally much gre a t er . Governments ought years h being food to come as ra i n d oes , an d to be imported t to per nit parts of the world. B u t, w h y , it mightbe from all said, come forward now, when Government were proposing• im pose a tax on bread. Th e r eason was because to he tax now proposed was a great di m i nut i on of the evil. Were a repeal not to take place, and no relief given to manufacturing industry, there was reason to expect that such a state of things would ulti ma t e l y be r ueeci between the rich and the poor , as wouldp even tually end in the destruction of the on e or the other.He therefore begged to move " That, in th e op i n i on of the meeting, the indispensable means of supporting hu man life ought not, under a wise system of legislation, to be subjected to a taxation of any description ; yet be lieving that the alteration of the duties upon grain pro posed by Lord John Russell would be a vast benefit to the country, it viewed with cordial satisfaction such a change, and would meet with determined opposition all attempts to frustrate the approach to a more equitable system." Mr. THOMAS WILSON seconded the resolution, and took the opportunity of informing the meeting that the Kendal Anti-Corn-law Association had it in contempla tion to extend their boundaries, and invite their country friends to unite with them in endeavouring to obtain a repeal. They were not afraid of thro , ving themselves or the cause they' supported on their agricultural friends throughout the country, and inviting them to join and ! form Associations. The a g riculturists would not be in • red in any way, but rather benefited by a repeal of these laws, and he had d no doubt they would heartily respond to the call.—(Great cheers.) The Reverend GILBERT ELLIOTT, of Kirby Thore, also spoke in support of the resolution. The statement just which Mr. Thompson, the Secretary; had made in ducsd him to say a few words on the subject. He had said it was the design of the Anti-Corn-law Association of Kendal to endeavour to extend the field of its opera tions into the surrounding agricultural districts. He (Mr. E.) had come to Kendal for the express purpose of request ing that such a step should be taken. E v e r y farthin g which h e h a d arose from tithes or from land,. and if any change whatever should take place in the produce of the land he would individually suffer. But he was so much persuaded that 'there was no fear of any change for the worse, th a t h e had himself from the fi rs t e nter ed into'. the views of the Corn-law repeaters ; and he' was sure that they had only to make the agricultural population - ac- [ quainted with t h e true state of th e ease to convert them into f 10 1 00 4 Cot - mega's' u tbeiasolves;*(oteere.) was high the poor could not afford to buy food althoueh the rich could; ani when the ' , rice was raised so high as to admit foreign corn, it roust be evident that the poor then depended upon foreigners for the supply of food. Holland and Switzer land depended upon toreigne, s fur a supply of food, and they never suffered in e.onsequence, and why should we be so fear ful? Why shou.d not we become the gr.'at depot for the Corn trade of the world?—(Cheers.) Then the landlords said they were entitled to pr tection on account of the taxes whi pres , ed on them ; but what proportion dfd they bear of the taxes? In England the taxes upon the neces saries of life amounted to 73 per cent. of the while taxation while the taxes upon Lind amounted to only 33 per (Tot., while in France the taxes upon land amounted to between 50 or 60 per cent. upon the who e taxation.—(Cheers.) There was a combination of class-interests in opposition to the proposed al terations which could only be met by combination on the part of the mi:lions for whose benefit these alterations were pro posed—(C'heers)—called upon the millions to rally round the standard of free trade.—( Cheers. ) Let the union be perfect, and let them take the present measure as a fist instalment.— ( Loud cheers.) To take a first step in the way of tree trade. let the unite and crush the class ire eros!s. When the monopoly in corn was destroy , d, the others must fel— ( Cheers.) Let them return only those Memheis to Parlia ment who were pledged to free trade.—( Loud cheers.) Let them not be misled by such extravagant assertions as had been recently made in the House of Lords.—( Cheers, and laughter.) Let them get free trade, and then education would flourish, because parents would not then be obliged to send their children to the factories to earn a scanty subsistenCe, but would be enabled to maintain them by their own labour, and to afford them time for educa: tion. The factory question had long been a favourite with the Conservatives. But let them have a free trade, and factory laws would be unnecessary, because children would not he re (Mired to work in order to earn a scan.) , subsistence.—(Loud (beers.) There would be then no necessity to waste time in discussions on the Prier-laws, because there would then be an ample demand for labour, and an ample supple of food for those who wou:d work. and those who would not work ha , ' no right to be kept in idleness.—(Cheers.) Let them rally round the banner of free trade which Fad been unfurled by her Majesty's Ministers, and her Majesty's reign would thon be celebrated in the history of the country, as having be s owed the greatest blessing on the nation, by the destruction of a most odious monopoly.—(Loud cheers.) He had great satisfaction in seconding the motion. The petition, which prayed Parliament to support the measures of commercial re ffrm which had been introduced by her Majesty's Government, was then put from the Chair. Mr. J. Roar. rose, amidst loud cries of " No Chartists," to propose an amendment. He fully , agreed in the statements made by the preceding speakers, but had no hopes of ()Main ing any redress from the House of Commons, as a present con stituted.—( Great uproar.) He looked upon this as a merely political rue. The Mieisters had never brotight forward any practical measure of reform.—(Great confusion. 1 Sir. Vouserit rose to order. Mr. Rose was not an elector, and therefore could not propose an amendment. The HIGH MAILIFF then addressed a few words to Mr. Rose which were inaudible, after which Mr Rose sat down, ol7serving that it h:id been decided he could not speak as he was eat al elector. Mr. STETHRNS rose to propose an addition to the resolu tion. Ile was for the repeal of all protecting duties', and thought the principl, ought to have been carried out in the petition. He hart .• nough of party. Both Whigs sod To , acs, when in power, had negb,cted the interest of the people. Ile di i not obje,t, to the introductory portion of the petition, but he thought 'they ou&st to go still further and pi titian for a tax upon property. Covenants wee institu'ed for the protection ete property—they paid for the protection of their persons by their liability to im ressnn nt and to their serving in the militia; :mod i:roperty ought to pay by a tax for ;h, protection afford tl to it. The c norinous debt had been incurred for he protect on of property at , t , e tine the peopl. were not represented. and whin they were cslled on to discuss fiscal qu tstions they should go to th, root of the evil. He would therefore propose, as an addition to the petition, that the House should be prayed to support the commercial refo-me of the Government until su h time as Parliament should be induced to adopt th, only just prLiciples of taxation—viz., a tax upon property.—(Loud cheer-.) He doubted not rat some one would be found to second that proposition. although he had spoken to no one on the subject.—(Loud cheers.) Mr. WESTON would second the proposition, and was glad of that opportunity of stating his opinion on the subject. He con sidered it art error to soppose that any great permanent increase to the revenue could accrue front a duty of Bs. a quarter. upon corn, because in times of scarcity it would be imitossible for any Government to levy such an impost ; it would be pre posterous, end what no Government could think of attempting. Therefore they must look to some o:her source of revenue. The aristocracy, whether Whig or Tory, were all alike, and were always doing every thing in their power to enrich themselves without thinking of the community at large, and therefore he thought that a property tax which should affect them, would be the best tax that could be imposed.—(Cheers. ) An Ececvoa in the body of the meeting here endeavoured, amidst unceasing uproar, to obtain a hearing in exlianati , m f the doctrines of the Charter. They were called together, he said, for the purpose of taki.lg into consideration the necessity of repealing the Corn-laws and reducing the ;mice of sugar. He approved of their object, but they should also consider what were the motives of • Lord John Russell in proposing them.— ( Hear, hear, and cries of No, no.) He would ma ntain that the Min , stry ha I not supported the interests of the people. .1 hey came forward with duties which were humbug and no thing but humbug. —( Uproar. ) Let them give tne people a fair price for their labour and they would no'. care what price was paid for food.—(Cheers aid hisses. 0 It would he of no use to attempt any.hing until they were fairly represent , d in the House of Commons, and Universal Suffraoe become the law of the land. —( Cries of Question, and great uproar. ) The speaker, who attempted to proceed in spite of the mani fest sense of the meeting, was at length obliged to conclude by moving the following amendment :—" That her Majesty be petitioned to dismiss her present Ministers, and to substitute such men as would fairly repreSent, the people by giving them Universal Suffrage."—( Great confusion.) Another Chartist rose to second this amendment. The meeting, however, refused to hear him, &nee he was not, as the requisition required, an elector of the Borough. The speaker in vain protested the' he was an inhabitant, and that tkat was not freedom of discussion. His words, spoken in dumb show, were completely drowned amidst the cries of the meeting; and he was finally compelled to give way, after this scene ILA con'inued for some minutes. Some di , cussion subsequ , ntly took place as to the nature of Mr. Stephen's proposition, ‘shich seemed to be consid,r , d not as an amendment, but an addition to the original motion, and which received the approbation of the meeting. Alderman Hesteneatt next rose and said that he should be sorry to find that in the midst of idle contentions they should lose sight of the great object which they had met to discurs. —( Hear, hear.) Vs hatever might be the nature of the reso lu which they might adopt, they should enter into the con sideration it them with that c lmoess which their importance deserved. For his part he did not think that this Mii.isterlal measures went far enough ; but at the same time he felt they ought to support them until they got something better.—( A cry et " Ihat will never be in your time," and laughter.) lie acknowledged that there would be great difficulty in obtaining justice from the Heusi , of Commons, while the landed in terest predominated so largely there. Ho did think letvv ever, that the claims of the people if perst verimily enforced, must fina.ly prevail. He remembered that. Sir R. Peel, in a debate in the Howe of Commons or' the equalisation of the sugar duties on a former occasion, decl tred that though opposed to to the measu e his interest might be supposed to point the other way, as he had no concern in the matter but that of the great body of the consumers. No; he (A derman Humphery) wished that the country at large cold be persuaded that their interests were opposed to the continuation of the present pro tecting duties; th ,t they would rise unanimously for the repeal. He Only wanted them end every other constituency to fit ce on th it Representatives pledges to that effect. The monopolsts hail no objection that the people of England should purchase s aye-grown sugar when the price reached 7d. or 80., while they imposed a duty which ainourited to exclusion when the price was low. It was the same with corn, which was only admitted under similar circumstances. Again, coffee, tobacco, and other slave grown articles were allowed to be imported into this country. He remembered that his Right Hon. Friend the Member for the Tower Hamlets ( Dr. Lushington) had told him that he spent 1001. in snuff—(Laughter)—and yet it was all slave produce on which he had no objection to lay out so large a sum. The fact was, that one could hardly heli ye that those who raised the Anti-Slavery cry were s.ncere, consider ing the many contradictions in which they were involved. For his part he was an advocate for a repeal of ali protection, arid he thought until that repeal was earned that the people would not be tairly dealt with.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. B. Noon said that he believed there never was a ques tion under the consideration of the people of England which concerned them so nearly as that on which those around him were assembled that day. He thought it was impossible for airy one not to see that our welfare deeply depended on the commercial measures now agitated in the House of Commons. He wished to curtail as much as possible the observations he had to address to the meeting, but the nature of the subject would require some explanation. They had heard it stated that the Ministry were to be bl , med for not having brought forward these measures at an earlier period ; and he for one was agreed in that opinion. He felt that Ministers were to be blamed; but ought the people on that account now to determine on rejecting this measure? He could not certainly *p rove of such a mode of proceeding. He was one of a number of Members of the House of Commons who had before forced this question on the attection of the Government. More than than two months ago 140 Members had assembled, and entered into resolutions as to the course which ought to be taken for the purpose of raising., the revenue sufficiently to meet the ex penses of the country, and at the same time not to infringe on the fair and legitimate claims of any class in the country. The object of those Members was to enlarge the basis on which taxation should rest, and to open the trade of this country to every article of foreign produce, and at the same time not. to press too severely on those particular interests of which they had heard so much. They wished to admit sugar, coffee, to bacco, cotton. tin.her, and corn, on the payment of a fair and reasonable duty, an" not to press on those who had rsk el their capital iii a reliance on existing p r otections. What h" was then stating was no sec re t ; their resolutions had been published, andediffused throughout the country, and that very morning the newspapers told them plainly and honestly and truly that the propositions lately brought forward by the \linistera of the Crown were th e p ropos i t i ons of the -Radical party in the House (f Commons, So far at least those Members laid fairly represented the taishes and the interests of the people of Eng land ohne himself' nc withand somfeurlelydsiasyciunsgsedth, la.id ; and it was such n:en that the British constituencies should y send to Parliamont. The question of the Corn-laws had been with any observations upon that subject. He would content sugar, there were a few observations w hic l h in h O e L dent advocates for abolition. 'With regard to the article of a laacrde quantity yfioif a th t a h t e h w e a w s ould not trouble them w gs is t h t e h d e to m s o a s t t , mit p in or d t ' e e d to them. It appeared that we were now annually importing three million cwts. from our own colonies in the West hundredfive in conse quence East Indies. During the list year, however, we had int quence of the high prices, hal been able to pay the duty of 635. gr 01,1 s thousandugarwhich, h h c ts . from per cwt. But. what was the price of slave-grown sug a r at pre sent, and what was t h e price of the sugar of oer West Indian co.onies? - i he price o. slave-grown sugar was now from 17 s. to 245. per cent., w hil e the price of colonial sugar was tiara 455. to 475. It sh.'uld be remembered at the same time that it had abteaen., tandemipttreied,byofMsr..iwGe- n e Gladstone, ' ,in the House of Com mons, that the Slav sugar was of a better qua l ity than the other. What was the consequence of that? The consequence was sugar here was the c' itcrion of the price of sugar in foreign markets, our neigh bours in Germany and France, and 'the people or the United States, received their suoar at from 275. to 34e. per cwt., while the British public paid for' theirs bOa. per sent. They were thus paying an extra price, upon sugar, o f 4,798,0001. (Near, hear )—and sugar b ecame an art i c le of taxation which did not add to th e revenue of the coun t r y, but went into the pockets of the W es t Indian lantern . They were told, how ever, thlAt it would b e horrible p to allow slave-grown sugar to be sold in this country, as they Would give encouragement to the slave:trade by Ant' the slave sug a r was allowed to. tha means:: be refilled here, far-th e -, u mit o f exportation and sale' in . other ;countries, last jiar -had ri-fined 1.20,0c0 cwt. of - , slaslavelug attif vihrt beeline; of it ? hy, the sugar so flitott ! sh?,:k c ov 345 . v4 became w o r th frornl6to to: 't • 31 1,.,A1 ** t.."iks t-So sea ihe[Contfnetit Nit price vhilathes and' '-E u giarid stet Ees: or 906. mod: • TheYtrcli l lt itcA r itii i i int iiyh e r , e, and paid for. it 6d. or of the Alallritius the mse l ves f or 4d. per P olll4 . 4l k ar ' 314 r') 7d. a lb., w ile they refi ne d slave sugar, and sold it to the people 14 1841 Large quantities of the sugar we refined were alio sent to Bus eia, Norway, Gibraltar, Turkey, Austra'ia, and other velc-. tries, whose inhabitants had the advantage of purchasing eat the lowest price, while the same privilege was denied to the people of niglaiti. It was surely matter fer surprise that save , u gar was seld, after having been refined in this country, to those. Bitieh colonies from which .we received free labour sugar. But, stranger st:11, ' the islands of Gu - resey, Jersey, and the Isle of Men received 2,000 cwt. of that same .uga which found its way back again to England in the shape of peppermintslozenges, barloye eueas, and other confectionery, .without the' payment of any, duty whatever. Every persen, therefore, who raised the cry of discountenancing slavery should beware of tasting such articles as he had enumerated. To him it was man:fest that the preposterous anti-slavery cry reised upon the present occasion was undeserving of the atten tion of reflecting men, and he also felt convinced that whatever might be the Ministry of the time, whether it wes Whig or Tory, or Radical, it would be impossible to main tain the present eystem of monopoly and injustice. It was unfortuna-e ihat they differed fro.n many extraordinary clever men on abstract points. He wished sincerely that the great body of the working classes would unite heart and soul, for if they did they might depend upoa it the object they had in view would be obtained. The interests of the people must be maietained, and it was matter of little moment or import ance to him or the people who remained Minister ; but when they found a body o. men in office who were cordially united ine carrying out this great question it would be of vast im portance, new that they had set the ball agoing, that -hey should unite in keeping it in a steady caue , e. —(Cheers:) It mattered not to him whether a Tory or a Whig Government were in power. Thank God he cared for neither— (Cheers)—and he could assure the meeting that no exertion of his should be wanting to obtain the great good they had in view, which he felt certain would be found to be a - blessing to the people of England.—(Cheers.) It had been new found out by the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the House of Commons, that taxation had been carried to its utmost extent, and that no addition of taxation on the labour of .the country Would produce one penny in crease to the revenue ; and it was found that some new system must be adopted ; that system he would say should be, lessen your taxation on every article, and that would increase consumption. The sane argu ment that applied to the Corn-laws applied to sugar and to coffee, and every article imported. —(i sheers.) Follow that system up, and the people would be better off; they would have more money, and their wages would not be diminished but increased.—( Cheer?.) Seeing his friend Mr. Pellatt there he could not refrain from mentioning one article with which he was well acquainted—he alluded to the article of glass ; that article was male almost entirely of materials found in this country . but did the trade in gia-s ancrea-e ? it did, it was in a limited degree. Now, what caused that ? Why, the excessive duty; but that was net the sole cause—it was because, fir the purpose of protecting the duty and the revenue, the restrictions were such on the manufacturer of the article, that a foreigner could make four terms as much in the same time as an Englisman could. He (Mr. Wood) had esked his friend Mr. Pellatt whether he wanted protection against the foreigner? to which he rep Led, that all that he wanted was, that the duty s hould b e t a k en off, sod if it was, he would venture to say tie manufacture of glass would he increased tenfold—( Hear, and cheers)-_ and added to this, the wages of the labou' - ee would be increased too. Were they, therefsire, to quarrel amo g thems Ives about these matters? VI! hy should they not go heart and hand tore ther ?—( Cheers.) Why should they not try to get bread cheap, wear cheap, and every article o life cheap. Such Was the course that they should pursue, especially the labouring elesses. It was supposed that they were on the eve of a new tleetion. If they were so he had no doubt ;hat some Liberal Members eoul I be sent to the House of Commons, although they had mueh to contend with, and although perhaps the new system of .be y carried on at Nottiegiaam might be put in force-- Loud cheers.) He h ttl no hesitas i n iu saying that the elec tions at St. Allesns, Walsall, and Canterbury had been carried by bribery.—(Cheers.) That course, no doubt, would be pur sued again.—(Ch-ers.) He would tell hisfrietills i Southwerk that he heel worked and would work for them.—(Hear.) He had now only to say that. he cordially supported the petition as it was originally daen up, and, also the additien : as had been proposed, with respect to a p operty tax, b !having that a tsx ought to be imposed oe property. --(Gm ) He begged, however, to tell his friend (Mr. Stevens) ashy had proposed the addition, that a property tax, without opening the parts, would be good for nothing. It was most gratifying to him to find his friend Mr. Weston, whose politics were different to theirs, come forward to support this great measure. In conelusion, he would only say that, whoever might be in office, this ques tion must and would be carried.—(Great cheering. ) Dr. BEDFORD, amidst confusion, rose to propose an amend ment to the petition, to the effect that teething short of a total repeal of the Corn-laws would be of any service to the country. The Doctor addressed the meeting for a short period amid con siderable noise and con'Usion, but findieg no seconder to his amendment, it fell to the ground. Mr. JAMES WILSON then addressed the meeting. The question to which they hal to give their attention was not one of politics, but of that practical improve ment which would affect every class of seciety.—( Hear. ) He cared not from whom this proposition came, but he hailed it with the utmost delight. The present Ministers had come forward with a declaration that. England should no longer be a dear country. With regard to the measures proposed he was not an advocate for an Ss. duty on c am. He had always advocated the total repeal, but still the proposition was a great one, because that they should have a fixed duty at all was en excellent thing. It would put an end to the sl,ding sale whith prevented corn &MI coming to this country except when It was Sits. .the quarter. tie could not, however, give his unqualified approbation to des measure, because as they said in Manchester, a fixed duty was a fixed injustice. He considered that a fixed duty on corn gave to the landed in terests of the country a bounty upon every quarter of corn they grew. In his opinion, the only proper way to make a duty on bread was to do it at the mill. With respect to the effect ! of the restriction on the prices of fool or the prices of labour, ! h- would only say the wages were not a matter of choire, but they were to be regulated according to the demand an-t supply in the market. 'That the Corn-laws increased disease, was app-u ent from every ho,pi.al in the kingdom. The Corn-laws in his opinion was not only a tpu.ston of pounds shillings and pence, but a question o: suffering, for it drew from the pockets of the labourer part of his wages. As to the shy., trade in the Brazils, he had no hesitation in saying that, if this country made a just commercial.. treaty with them they would be pre pared to enter into a treaty with this country, relative to the slave trade. The course pursued by this country towards Brazil hid rendered their cenilitien much worse than it would have been. Mr. Vouskt.v had resided in Southwark for forty years, and he was happy to see that in that borough upon a question of this sort all party feeling had been laid eso:le.—( Cheers and laughter.) Much had been said about the bad management of the Government, 'Jut looking at what they had had to do, he was surprised that they had done so much.—( Laughter.) Had they not, he would ask, preserved peace at home and abroad ?—( Cries of no.) As there would be many meetings in the Borough on thia question, he would beg of the Chartists not to attend these me?tings for the purpose of throwing fire brands among them. What he would adt would be their condition under th:. tender mercy of the Tories?—(Latighter.) Did the Chartists want back into Fewer the party wh . had made bread dear ?—( Cries of " No")—then what did they want ? (Cries of " Universal Suffrage.") If a tits olution of Parlia ment took place, which was expected, he hose I every elector in the borough of Southwark, and every freeholder in England, would not give his support to any genieman en the huoings who would not pledge himse.f to support flee trade. —((.7lners.) The petition, a , amended by Mr. stev,ns, was then agreed to, as was also a resolution reqiie.,ting Earl Fir zwill:aaa to pre sent it to the House of Lords, and the Member for the Borough to the House of Commons. A vote of thanks was then agreed to to the High Bailiff, and that offictr liaviag returned thanks, the meeting se parate I. CORN A V Lit (~i t::'• GENERAL AVERAGE ORICES (1 Fir the Week ended May 7, 1841, made the Inspectors ;ii the .litierent Cities a; vval?s,per Imperial i)narter. Wheat ti3s. 2ii. Oats V2i, 1 1 3..,r;ey Rya 'ls CuitV, , • up from the Itett ras cf ati loom in Eugliut, a d 1 ,4 . t' Beano...—. 'B , 7d 10' rea5e....... 3,s 3d. AVERAGES OF THE LAST Week ending WUEAT. BARLEY.' OATS. :1E WEEKS. RYE. DEANS. PEASE April 2 E 4 U 16 6 t , 23 63 8 3) 63 i 'ay i 63 2 3 U 2 11 3r S 6 32 f. *, 3: 4 23 1 31 b 3 0 31 7 22 5 3 0 3 ' :35 7 39 4 36 5 30 6 35 $ 39 :3 3, V 8 7 3a 39 9 :36 38 6 37 10 36 1 8i 3 INITICKIAL AGGIUMATK A V 11:14.ACKs Tliie SIX wlt KS Wheat cs,. ; oath ttarley, 22,; 4d, Rye 'l s, 5! I Pease 17.:1 DUTIIS OW FOItaIGN coax. Wheat S"3s. Rd. Oats Barley 1 3 3. 10d. i nye THE MARKETS-YESTERDAY. COLONIAL MARKET. There was little business 4.ine, an,l the public sales were not of moment, but prices were supported for most articles. The arrivals were to a fair extent. TEA MARKET. The transactions were very limited, and confined to the wants of the trade, at a shade lower vices. In the specula tive market there WAS considerable heaviness, and the value of tke Company's Congou declined to 15. 931. per lb. TALLOW MARKET. The demand for Russian Tallow was dell, both on the spot and for delivery ; few sales were made; 475. 6d. was the value of Yellow Candle on the spot. SPIRITS. Rum dull of sale, and prices on the decline. Brandy fiat, but not lower. WHITECHAPEL HAY MARKET. The supply was short, the demand goal ; the best qualities fully supporting our last quotations, and midding and inferior s orts met with a fair demand. Clover. 31. 15s. to 51. 18s. ; Meadow Hay, first eut, 31. 12s. to 41. 17s. ; :Straw, IL' 14s. to 11. 18s. COUNTRY CORN MARKETS. narley, Per Quarter. B•ston 00000 Bramtt ee I ti ighton Chiche Dunmow Grantham ••••• • Grimsby fiailshato Hitchin Ipswich ....1 Lewvs 1 - . no Maidstone Norwich Pei worth Romford Sandwich Tnetford Wishech Witham Yarmouth • Oat.. I l e. to F. s. 10 a. ;s.to S. 5R 631 21 SS 19 '26 5# 64 •28 35 94 29 57 16 23 331 24 :47 25.) 55 6.8 28 3. i 24 26 52 119 32 36 22 31 6 9 I - lS 33 120 30 51 64' 24 •21 '24 60 5 6 3i 25 3 ::4 :'0 :37 •i 22 30 ' 29 f.'s:! 21 ' 51 6Ji2,1 19 i 22 2:1 56 14; 26 30 ;120 24 59 6,• •343 39 vi 52 60 RI 38 :52 ,28 30 5:1 65 28 3 24 25 58 10 30 35 22 30 62 71 80 • 31 • 26 30 I'o 41: 30 31 2: 27 56 62 28 34 .0 2:1 52 62 :A , 31 26 31 62 66 l 11 24 de4nt. e. to E. 35 40 35 40 ;:8 43 40 42 :1,5 40 35 39 S's 40 3t 4 -, 81 40 31 34 34 39 3S 40 38 40 `I , 42 36 44 • 5 43 39 41! 35 37 36 42 !O 41 Pease. 5 Lc. 5 39 48 39 43 38 41 St 42 $8 43 ?4 39 41 34 :18 34 39 38 40 40 3i 11 40 44 31 37 .116 19 3- 39 SIR ROBERT PEEL AND THE FREE-TRADER, or MANCHESTER.—When the delegation from the Manches ter Chamber of Comme:ce on tariff reform twice appl ed to Sir Robert Peel for an interview, he had no. even the couraao to 'epic to their letters At last, Lc)! d Francis Egerton having ;Ave,. him the hint that two members of the deputati , ti were Ctinsetvatives, he at the eleventh hour, after Lord . l ohit's an • nouncement of his motion on the Corn laws, intiliated that he would admit them to hiq pri sence. 14 , hat I ass , dat the inter view we have not !teen able to learn ; but we are ready to take odds thit Sir Robert-was extremely judxious, and cminehtfe un atisac*ory when he was at last drawn, as sportsmen say 1. badgers —Spectator. [The deputation from the t'or, , olation of Manch ster, rn opi.o-ition to Mr. Patten's elaese=, made three attempts to obtain an interview with sir Hobert Peel ; but were eac't time refuJed.]— Manchester Guardian. MOVEMENTS IN I REL AND.— The Reformers of 011.gracies-,-nien of every shade of Liberal principle— ,frOrn the Ixrit , l ll .sf Ora to the most moderate Whig-:-are re f6l.-the present, to c•,-operate in t• e general m vement which is- spread 11'4 t6 - the rearerear = xtre r rie. of t e. 144. NI iecsire As mul ineoiti meeting. arid . tametif g Noti:Orange 1011 . 01 the so iier"fe..t:. than there . e - tn b no atlll - 4 till" co- n 1, 1 ,. can! n . s , eifet4 of these Meetings Evehiv Poet. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, May 13. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his seat on the Wo sack at at Five o'Clock. Messengers from the Co ninon; brought tip the Ex chequer Bills 13111 and the Excise Duties Bill, th<• 11:an and Chapters' Buildings Bill, the St. Pancras Pav►ng Bill, and the Kidderminster Poor-rates The Earl of ERROL presented a petition from Aber deen against lay patronage in Scotland ; also a li tition from the same place against the present system o► bank ing in Scotland. Viscount DUNCANNON presented a petition from Newport against Church-rates. Petitions against the repeal of the Corn-laws were presented by the Marquis of Aylesbury, from Northamp tonshire ; by Lord 11:autnont, from places in Yorkshire; by Lord Prudhoe, from Kent and Sussex ; and by the Earl of Delawar, from Cumberland. The Earl of SHREWSBURY presented petitions from Arbroath and another place in Scotland, against any alteration in the law of banking in that country. The Duke of ARGYLL presented petitions against lay patronage in Scotland, and a petition against any further grant to the College of Maynooth. Earl FITZWILLIAM presented petitions from Leeds and other places against Church-rates. • The Earl of HADDINGTON presented a petition from Lambeth, praying the toll might be taken off the Metropolitan Bridges. The Earl of WINCHILSEA presented petitions against the Local Assessment Bill, and from Blackburn against any further grant to the College of Maynooth. The Bishop of LICHFIELD presented several peti tions from Staffordshire against Sunday traffic on railways. Lord SUDELEY presented a petition against Metro politan Bridge Tolls, from a place in Surrey. The Marquis of LANSDO WNE presented a petition from the Mayor and Corporation of Coventry, in favour of the proposed alteration of the Import Duties. .The Dublin Wide Streets Bill passed through Com mittee. . , The Arms' Bill (Ireland) also went through Com mittee ; to be read a third time to-morrow. The Slaves' Compensation Bill was passed through a Committee. The Court of Exchequer Bill (Ireland) was read a third time and passed. . _ _ The Sir Walter Scott's Monument Bill was read a second time and was ordered to be committed. The Earl of FITZWILLJAM presented a petition from the weavers of Cupar, for a repeal of the Corn laws ; .also a petition to the same effect from woollen manuacturers of Yorkshire. The Noble Earl presented a great number of petitions to the same effect from the female operatives of the West Biding of York, and from Tar'ous other parts of the kingdoin. In a petition from ii.t.ifax, it was stated to .he the opinion of the petition en; that it was very unjust to pass a law to keep up the rent of land, whilst the Legislature acknowledged its in ability to make any laws for keeping up the price of labour.—(Hear, hear.) _ _ _ . The Ea s rl of 'WARWICK said he seldom looked into the petitions presented by the other side of ihe House. But on looking into some of the petitions professedly gaging from female operatives, he found in one of them, said to be the petition of the females of East Arrowby, the names only of five ladies without crosses— (Cheers and laughter)—and these were all written by the same hand. —( Laugh ter.) The Earl of FITZWILLIAM had yet to learn that persons who were not in the situation of the Noble Earl—who had not the advantage of education —who were obliged to trust to others to write their names—(Loud cheers)—were to be deprived of the right of expressing their opinions.—(CheerB.) It may be very well (said the Noble Earl) for your Lordships who stand in a superior station of life to scrutinise the petitions of less fortunate people. It may be very well for you to look upon them with a scornful and con temptuous eye—(Cheers, and cries of " Oh, oh") — but, my Lords, I must tell you, with all the respect which I feel for your Lordships, as a member of this House, that there is little political wisdom in the observations of the Noble Earl, and, if possible, less in the temper in which you, received them.—(Cheers, and laughter.) • My Lords, I say there is little political wisdom in such criticism as has so much amused you.—(Cheers.) Those people, my Lords, have grievous evils to complain of.—(Cheers.) Many of them they lay at your Lordships door, and I do not know but the ignorance you scoff at is the most grievous.— (Much cheering.) 11Iy Lords, you are responsible for their incapacity. My Lords, you have the means of pro viding for their better instruction, and you have made no provision, and you will make no provision. —(Cheers, and cries of " Oh!") My Lords, you ought to pity those people— you ought to rescue them from such observations as have fallen from the Noble Earl opposite.—(Cries of "Oh, oh !" and laughter.) My Lords, I regret to be compelled to make these observations upon the language of the Noble Earl. Lord HARDWICK—He said nothing like it.— (Loud cheers, and cries of " No, no.") Earl FITZ WILLIAM—You mean to say, my Lords, not that I have misrepresented the observations of the Noble Earl, but that I have put his intentions wrongly. —(Cheers.) Oh, my Lords, I know very well that you do not like my observations. I know, my Lords, you have no relish for petitions of this kind.—(Cheers.) I know you don't like them.—(Renewed cheering.) The ignorance of those people is not their crime. I say, my Lords, it is your's.—(Cheers.) The Earl of WARWICIC—My Lords, in answer to the allusion which Ole Noble Earl has. thought proper to make to me in his very dictatorial lecture, I can only say that I could not know anything of the people who signed their petitions without looking at their names.—(Hear.) I find a great number of names with crosses opposite to them. But whole strings of them are written in one hand. When people cannot write their names I can believe what they say in writing through the means of other people, but I expect to see a witness to the cross.—(Hear, hear.) But these crosses have no witnesses, and I think the petitions very dubious and very doubtful. Lord HARDWICK was desirous of congratulating the Noble Earl upon the opportunity which he had so happily devised of making a sort of a pompous and clap-trap speech—(Cheers)— which would go about the country and make the people believe that the Noble Earl was a friend of the poor.—(Cheers.) It was not at all irregular that a Noble Lord should look into petitions, and see from what classes of the people they came. The Noble Earl had, for some time past, been taking opportunities of making speeches, calculated to give people a notion that he was a very liberal man, and of placing his own case in a better position. After all the people ought to know that the Noble Earl's object was merely to substitute a fixed duty for a sliding scale. Earl CLARE presented a number of petitions from the county of Wicklow in favour of the Corn-laws. Lord STRADBROICE presented 20 petitions from Suffolk to the same effect. Earl MOUNTCASHEL presented a petition from Cork to the same effect. The petitioners stated that so far from the exportation of wheat from Ireland having decreased it had greatly increased. Earl RADNOR maintained that the statement made by him a few evenings ago was quite correct, for he had taken his data from official papers which were on the table of the House. . . The Duke of CLEVELAND presented a petition from the Corporation of Durham, and one from Barnard Castle, praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. The Earl of WARWICK presented petitions from several Boards of Guardians, praying for some alterations in the Poor-laws. Also one from the Strand, praying that the three bridges across the Thames might be thrown open. Lord PORTMAN presented a petition against the abolition of Church-rates, and one against the repeal of the Corn-laws. Earl RADNOR then rose to move for a return of the names of all persons who hav received compensation for slaves from the fund provided for that purpose by Par liament, together with a return of the names of all per sons whose claims upon that fund were still under consi deration. The information was before thg House already, but in a form that was most inconvenient, and not easily understood. His object was to get them in such a form as to be of service in giving their Lordships all the information desired at a glance. After a few words from the Earls of HAREWOOD and MOUNTCASHEL, the returns were ordered. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Ma►y 13. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. The Southampton Trust (St. Pancras) Paving Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. Sergeant JACKSON presented a petition from an inhabitant of Drogheda, against the Drogheda Pier Bill, praying that compensation might be granted to him, for damage he apprehended from the operations under the Bill. Colonel PERCEVAL presented a petition from several Proprietors of steam boats against the Ipswich Docks Bill. Sir D. NORREYS moved the further consideration of the Report of the Committee on the Ipswich Docks Bill. Mr. SHELL said, as the Bill now stood, the inhabi tants of Ipswich, owning vessels, were to pay lower rates than others, which he thought was very objectionable. He moved, as an amendment, that the Bill be re committed. Mr. KELLY had no objection to that course being taken, as the promoters of the Bill were desirous to act fairly. The amendment was agreed to ; the Committee to sit on Wednesday next. On the motion of Lord MAHON , the Northern 'and Eastern (Hertford and Ware Branch) Railway Bill was read a third time. Several clauses were added, and' the Bill was passed. Sir C. GREY presented a petition from North and South Shields, praying for an inquiry into the tiPplica-' Lion of the tolls levied by the Corporation of Newcastle- upon -Tyne, and into the right of the Corporation to levy those tolls. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought tip the Report of the Edinburgh and Glasgow Union' Canal Bill.• Mr. BAINES presented several petitions in favour of the plan of the Government for increasing the revenue by diminishing the public burdens ; they were all fr, an places in the neighbourhood of Leeds, and were all most numorouily signed. The petitioners - all complained of great distress, and expressed their opinion that a- most eat:twat remedy for that distress would be found in a revision of our import duties. It prayed more espe cially for a reduction of the duties on sugar and timber; and for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. RUNDLE presented. eleven petitions from persons in calico-printing and other _factories, in favour-of the repeal of the COrn4aws. Mr. TURNER preSented three petitions froin-eonge gations in the neighbourhood 'of London, pray . ime- for the abolition bf Chureh4ateS fuid'titejurisdictiOn' the-EC clesiikieTa.Giiirti:- 7-- r - r - lif:11 - KEEr T mettil*(1 a p!titinrf from- Glon;. eester in favour of the AoINOTrof s4;gights j4.40.tq progelted petitions from MORNING EDITION. York and Limerick, praying for the restoration of the n suppressed bi=hoprie:: in Ireland. Mr. SCHOU CIELD presented a petition from a congregation of Protestant Dissenters, against Church— rat...s, and the jurisdiction of the Ecclesiastical Courts. Mr. STRU L' presented a petition from Derby in favour of the proposition of her Majesty's Government fur the regulation of the import duties on- corn, timber, .and. 511,3111%. `Petitions praying the House to make -no alteration in the Corn-laws were pr.:..sente:l by Sir P. Campbell Mr. Bratnston (9) from parishes in E ;sex ; Sir C. Bur• rell from Sussex ; Sir John Tyrell from Essex ; Colonel Rushbrooke from Norfolk, and Sir C. B. Were. Colonel SALWEY presented petitions from Bridg-. north, Broseley, Coal Port, Quatt, and Quattford, in. Shropshire, praying for the immediate and entire aboli tion of the Corn-laws. These petitions, nutnerou.ily signed, had been entrusted to him by the inhabitants of - towns in a district purely agricultural. Petitions praying for the entire and immediate repeal of the Corn-laws, and generally in favour of the Govern went measure, were presented by Mr. Collins ; from the Mayor and other inhabitants of Carmarthen ; Mr. M. Philips, from Manchester ; Mr. Dennis town, from forty-seven places in the West of Scot land ; Mr. W. Evans, from eight parishes in North Derbyshire ; Mr. Wilbraham, Cheshire ; Mr. M'Aulay, from two of the Guilds of Edinburgh ; Lord Morpeth, from Wakefield, .Ottley - , Leeds, and fifty other places in the West Riding of Yorkshire ; Lord John Russell from Belfast,. Stroud, and numerous other places ; Sir G. Strickland, from 30 places in Yorkshire ; Mr. J. Parker, from Sheffield ; Mr. Greg, 51 ; Mr. G. W. Wood, from Kendal ; Mr. Ewart, Mr. Busfield, Mr. L. White, from Sunderland, and by Mr. Hume. Mr. C. DUNDAS presented a petition from the Mayor, Aldermen, and Burgesses of the borough of Flint, stating " That your petitioners have heard with great satisfac tion that it is the intention of her Majesty s Ministers to propose to Parliament the amendment of the laws relative to the importation of corn, by substituting a moderato fixed duty for the present sliding scale ; , also to reduce the duty on foreign grown timber and on sugar. That it is their opinion this will greatly increase the trade, &c. of the country, and be of signal service .to the labouring classes. They therefore pray your Honourable House do carry this measure into effect." ~.,, nn LORD CARDIGAN. Mr. MUNTZ said that in bringing forward the mete •''; tion of which he had given notice, namely—" What humble Address be presented to her Majesty, praying V•'' her Majesty to institute an inquiry into the conduct of ?' the Right Hon. the Earl of Cardigan, during his • command of the Eleventh Hussars, with the view of ascertaining how far • such conduct has rendered him unfit to remain in her Majesty's service," • he wished to divide the House on the question before a dissolution took place.—(hear.). He begged to state, that in bringing forward the motion lie disclaimed all personal feelings towards the Noble Lord who was the object of it ; in fact, he (Mr. Muntz) never saw the Noble Lord. He would not have brought forward the subject at all, if he had not been requested to do so, some weeks since, by a great many parties. Why they selected him (Mr. Muntz) he knew not, unless it was that they were aware of his being unconnected with any party, and independent of all men. He lad hoped that some older member of that House would take the matter in hand ; but finding that such was not the case, and feeling that it ought not to be put off any longer, he was obliged to take it up himself. Disputes in the ArMy were generally of a private nature, but in the present instance they had become so numerous, and of such a character, as greatly to disgust a large por tion of society. The immediate cause of his (Mr. Muntz's) motion was the flogging of a man ern the Sabbath-day ; but he• would not have considered even that a sufficient V , justification for his interference, were it not that that wets but the last of a series of misconduct on the part of the Noble Earl, which made it impossible to believe that there was not something more culpable than neglect on his part. . He understood that the Noble Earl Rad marched the men - out to the Riding-School immediately after Divine Service. for the express purpose of having a place fleet' for the punishment of the private, and that the punish ment had occurred very near the place of Divine Worship, while the men were put into order that they might witness the punishment. He had al ways considered flogging a disgusting exhibition — (Hear, hear)—and he did think that we should imitate in that instance the example of the French, Prussians, and other nations, who had abolished it altogether.- - (Hear, hear.) There was a general feeling among the public that the authorities at the Horse Guards were not free from censure in the manner in which they had dealt with the subject ; and that opinion was con- - firmed by finding that one of the Captain Reynolds was now on full-pay with leave of absence, and a pro mise that he would never again be called upon to serve . under the Earl of Cardigan. The truth was that the Noble Earl appeared to want the most necessary quali- V fication for commanding men—the power of self-control. In the course of two years, while the regiment was 3 - 0 strong, the Noble Earl had 105 courts-martial, and lied punished 750 men, and there were not less than 90 ire is at one time in Canterbury gaol.—(Hear.) During the 20 years the regiment was in India, and while it was 700 strong, the punishments had been le ss than during the two years it had been under his command. During the Noble Earl's commend, in i one month there had been m ore courts - mart i a l and more defaulters than in the preceding twelve months. In the six following months, during which time the • regiment was not under the Noble Earl's command, there had been only two courts-martial. • It appeared that he had refused Captain Reynold' leave of absence, w hi c h h e h a d previously g i ve n, on the ground that th e C our t- mart i a l at w hi c h C aptai n Tier fluids was present h a d come t o a d ec i s i on contrar y to las wish. It was clea r th a t th e N o bl e E ar l exerc i s ed the greatest tyranny over his officers and men, and as a fire fellow haci said to him (Mr. Muntz), "What can I do ? I- might ride out and cut him down, but I would be shot for it. If he (Mr. Muntz) were placed in the situation of Lb* Noble Earl he should court inquiry ; at all events itwas • ° , 4 clear that there was need of inquiry, and he had certainif . shown quite enough to establish ground for an inquirt- Tbe Hon. Member concluded by submitting his motion. Mr. SOHOLEFIELD seconded the motion. Mr. MACAULAY hoped to b.: abe in a few . 4 words to state to th e H ouse su ffi c i en t groun ds for dissenting from the motion of the Honourable Member. His first objection was a very ob violas one. It was a national objection. He thought. ,fit the Hon. Gentleman himself would admit that while thera was no prerogative of the Crown, which that House was not entitled entitled to offer its advice upon, yet it was necessary that that advice should be guided by sound discretioa. There were some cases, and they were nothing but extreme cases, in which the House ought to give that advice. In his opinion the rewards or punishments of military men ought not to be the subject of discussion in large assemblies ; they should be left to the Executives f• He admitted, however, that there might be extreme cas44 in which such a course would be prudent .and proper, - H but he must confess that this was not that case. •Ile thought the course which the Hon. Gentleman wished the • Crown to follow ought not to be pursued. In saying set however, he begged it to be understood that he was not offering any approval of the conduct of Lord Cardigan- Of that Noble Earl he must say, however, that whatever other individuals might think of him, he (Mr. Macaulay) considered him one of the most unfortunate men of the present time. He considered that his conduct had been ex aggerated into far greater culpability than it was entitled to. Into that question, however, he would not at present enter. But, taking the conduct of the Noble Lord to be ever so bad, he thought the present motion most objec tionable in any way of considering it, because he thought it was likely to establish a most dangerous precedent in the present judicious system. What was the state of gen tlemen in the army ? They bought their commissions , and they gave the best years of their life in the service of their country. How, therefore, could it be expected , that gentlemen would hold those commissions if security were not given to them. He thought that no officer should be deprived of his commission, except in consequence of a court-martial ; there might be exceptions to that, but those exceptions could only take place when an officer had done an act cognizible by a court-martial, but where there were objections to the adoption of such a course. The conduct of the Earl of Cardigan, in his opinion, did not render him liable to a court-martial. If it was the fact that Lord Cardigan had given the lie 0 several of the officers of the regiment, . s uch conduct was subject to great reprehensie e 'd but it was his (Mr. Macaulay's) firm belief, that if t Cardigan had been guilty of such practices, uo comP latil had been made to the Horse Guards. If the lion. Gentleman was prepared to say that such con , " plaint had been made to Lord Hill, and. he • had • paid no attention to it, that would rendur the case very different. With regard to , the 'unhappy circumstance which - had taken place on Easter Sunday, • he believed, however reprehensible such 'conduct was.-- no person in that House would state, thaU.s% it subjected him -to a court-martial. • ThoW opinions of Lord Hill and the Duke of Wellington wereett* clear that it did not, though both those officers ad-e" mitted the impropriety of that conduct e but they . t believed it to be a caucus ••oinissus which would subject': the party to a severe reprimand. As to the prop• eie. tion of the Iron. Member to substitute -a court ot inquiry for a court-martial, he must pro:rst against it„ as exceedingly improper and inconvenient, be-- cause when such a Court called witnesses before , it, it - would itself, • without the power to examin those witnesses, administer • the oath to them. Was 'it tight that, in • consequence of evidenee s 9 taken, - before a tribunal so constituted, a punishmen t. should be inflicted upon an officer, which, if' he •wer e , a poor man, would, in a pecuni ar y p o int view, inflict on him utter ruin, and which'' • at all events, whether he were poor or Fiat* would inflict upon his character such a stigma, as' would to him be infinitely worse than pecuniar ruin e —(Cheers.) What th a t th e manner in whic the 'officers of the Queen's army might to be trea ted.- - (Cheers.) He thought he had stated sufficient to induce the House to negative the proposition.—(Cheers.) defied Gentlemen to imagine any motive by which he, could poSsibly be actuated in the course which he wos' pursuing except a prOper regard for the duties of his ollic,c! . . Whet other motive' could lie have had for interfering 1" belied' of a Nobleman which whom he had no' comic' tion, whom he did not even know b y s i g h t , an d o f W l o, l ' i all that he k new was that he was a 'decided enemy of Government to whieli he (Mr. Macaulay) belonged, II: . of those principles to which he bad always been atteecl —(Cheers from the Opposition.) Lord •G. LENNOX was . anxious to allude to --e- bne e; - statement which had been made by the Right Hon ab:e%eiliber for Birmingham. The Ho nou r a ble her stated that the..',.Earl of Cardigt.id,!,TO given the lie dir - ect ta ore of officers. Triatrts t rij went he (Lord Gaenriox) . We ul4 take Upon . himself : g . u t il and then not at the heuti" of ;his t r i xt t, in , t t i :tle e e 4in it p n la e t r e7-L . -7e • e •-• • p a d rao fiiht to ring thitlervact,litzuse: ther L ii{ Sir or A/ 01 ca stle, - "(nv er , 4 , 1 00iQ 184 57 4jti 4Y z , 4piv,