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~„...~ HOUSE OF COMMONS. (Continued from our Second Page.) .TIECOMPENCE TO GENErtm, /so n. The House resolved itself into a Committee of 'Supply, Mr. IiRoGDEN in the Chair. Mr. WILBERFORCE prefaced his motion for a grant of remoneration to General Boyd, by a short i',lientent of the circumstances on which the claim w•ts founded. That Officer, who was a nadir of the Crates, had in ear:y tile 'rendered a grea t Re r vice to the cause of this country in the. East lodiee, at a very -critical period of our affairs t he re . !le iyas at that time the commander of a corps in the service of the Nizatn. A large French force aml a small English force hero;; not far (lis ta'', Iron , each other, the commander of the latter . apor.ltending a sodden attack from the former,. applied to General Boyd at midnight for assist ence, a repiest with which he did not for a mo boott hesitate to comply. It subsequeOtly oroved that the alarru was unfounded, but General Boyd's ft ietotie z e al was handsomely acknoWledged by tl,e Er,tish Government at Cali:iota; To him , it proved highly inittt!ioos, for the R+tiff +w of the French party at the Co i tal of the Nny.im were Si successful, that he was dept 'wed' of a sitnation front Which he was then in the re rulu of 90(?rl1`. Having berm pliable to obtain an) c, f t)ili t , osation' z c l rft' . this cOuniq, and gained, at 'his " . ntintr i. 'r , tveSt,,', what it Wa's cosidcred to hint; althoU:A . at little e~p:•nie.'to the pu]h c itc, .• na m ,ly , to a Ci9 - 140" - 01 salt pet re fr , in Calcutta to the ; advensnre it was calculated make or "60;000I, The East recn'g. nizrog (xelieral BOyd's services, gave that petmission, and by • his . I%ltjet'y's GoYertitrient he wasforhished With a spe - Ciai lfcente I'd , protect hint, evett' shotilir a war ontori toiatelt liVe!'ik"Ootbetweeii this t•t000rV• and the Utitt't;il l States.. `The Coni• ntittee woul4, however, hear ti•it'lr concern and surpri:e, that not withstatoliog thoi.e precautions, the vessel in which General Boyd Shipped the saltpetre coaching at the Cape of Good Hope to tarot 'some frasreirgers, was'there detaioed, and condenitteif by the Vice . Adthiralty' Cotirt—fOr t wen, y years ago Courts of, that description were, not like those of the present day, over which per, sOnsot . profeisiOnal'exPerietice and high charae 7 ter were selected to preside. Althotish thus de , privet! of the a t f,vantages to which he was so justly entitled, ,Getteral Boyd maintained his original good will towartis:Otgland,„in proof of which, lie (Mr. IVilbertorce) would read a letter from a Cieneral OfAcer in the British service, who, due. : ing the late war in America, commanded on the frOrt , ier . of Canada; near the spot in ; which Boyd had a command on . theyafrt of the Uititec} Statesl—(The Hollow able Gentlernan !tyre rc.,d the litter in qUe•stioo, Which wasfrom p e iteral De Itottenburg to W. Mellish!, 1 - 4:,sti. and spoke in high terms of the liheral and handsome cooulictof General'BoYd) —After the conclusion of the w ir with America, an appiication hatf,been made on ;lie part of :General Boyd to (ii,,yertiment for, some remuneration:foi the inss which he had sustained in consequence OsehTS'Con d,,er in India. It .was recommended botli:rttthe secretary of •State's Of and: at the :Treasury,. that thesunjeet should be broughtbettire Parlia ment,' nne . l submitted to the investigation of a Co is ~ei+tee itat was d'or4, and:the (6intnittee . sat last Session In the Comniittee'tli,ere were sevei al phittiS of difference, but by far thelareer' portion of the Mt ushers of it acquiesced larg er' justice of General . litiyd's although they" did not agree as to the extent' to whiCliit ought to.. be allowed . Eventually they came to a Resointitin, wftiCh hr Wiiuld read, 7 -(The Ho 7" rOurahle - Gentleman here read the - Resoftati'on' of the .Coininitiee; detailing the Cfreumstasieeti which he had 'described, atrrec'C'kMinendi'rig the case of Vielle'Jal lioyd . to the corisiderailOn of appeared to *him (\lr. Vs ifher• tiirer) . to' be 'pectiliiirly desirable, to shOt'v the hi lrthiiants of the United 'Slkt : Cs';':by .111e;Tiroceed logs. of the 'British house c'of;Commons on the' present occasion, (tat w'e""did . nnt 'coitsitler''thern with Buy tiWriettilly . feelitig,or'entertain'toivards, them - ;:riy prejudices 'incompatible'tVitTi the perthrinaitee of ju'sti'ce' lie wutilieth - ei'efo're'tilove, 1114' a stint of tint: less than 60001. to bra t t he putpose til ridi'uneratin:' , Gen, P • l‘laaitY AT contended, that General Boyd ih; ciann'whativer on this 'co unery:' lie 're ferit:il to the 'evidence' taken before the Comniittee to*" ;hew, iii thtifirit place; that on the occasion afit'hied to 'Geri era( Boyd' had not moved frinu uhf 'Ol the" Brit jib' ; ' and', id the • second 'place, that he 'had endeaviireiii toinagnitY bii'losies with a view to obtain a large'r Sinn than tiAl to even were :lie justice 'of aaini aliti‘ifed; lie W'as fairly &titled. If General BOYd bii'diostired his cargo of saltpetre for 'th' e sum' he' tx"picte4 obtain - by it, have no 'hiss bill choosing' to run the risk; h u e 'bad no fight to be distinguished from °diet' initiyidt'als in shuilar Sirnations. 'fliere was nothing:itch:is pro fe4s;im hi Luria which entitled him 'to favourable C0 . 0.. , i(1et a t ion ; anti lie (Mr. Marryat) confessed hitoself surprised at the interest taken by the Ho nottrable Member for Bramber, in an individual, who, at the head Of two thotisautt mercen a .ies, had been ready to fight for any Power sttr'pch might think fit to employ them. Such a person was certainly no friend to " peace and gool frill towards men," and its India espe cially,' Was a very dangerous character. He could not consent that the taxes wrung from the people should be improvidently lavished ; and being satisfied that the claim set up on the present occasion, was totally unfounded, lie should' cer tainly take the sense of the'Comtnittee on the Re solution. Mr. WILBERFORCE was sure the Committee would believe, that if it had appeared to the Cunt roittee appointed to investigate* General Boyd's &tint, that any traudulent'attempt had been made to impose on them, they would have flung back the application with disdain and indignation. There was nothing its the evidence to warrant slid) an itoptitation.—[Tha Honourable Gentle= man here read parts GI the evidence to Substan tiate I itertiott, and to explain the dream glances at:ctiling the insurance of the cargo of saltpetre. j---The for;. Gentleman ;alto hat! itlst sat down, had spoken hardly of the cond u ct o f young man whose ardent spirit hod led him to en gage in military enterptizes in the East !miles, in order that be might finality himself, as indeed he had tivalified himself, to serve his own country more effectively at a subsequent period of his life. Uoquestimtab!e it was, that by toe friendly combret pUrsued towards the British Cause 'in India, by General Boyd, his personal prospects there had been wholly'clouded. He trusted therefore that the Committee would not coincide in the Honourable Membet's opinions, but would grant to General Boyd that fair remu neration to which he was entitled ; and he ex tremely regretted that a dear Friend of his (Mr. Grant), who had been a Member of the Commit. tee appointed to investigate General Boyd's title to remuneration, was no longer in the House to bear testiinony to its validity. Mr. H.GuRNev observed, that there were only two of the Committee who' nere of opiniou that the Petitioner was not entitled to remutteration. The House ought to consider that this was a ser vice rendered by a foreigner. it would have been both the duty and interest of a lifitish subject, so placed, to Irave assiSied country ; but Ge octal Boyd had no interest to serve ; on the con trary, he performed this servioe at a great disad vantage to' himself.'" Mr. T. Wit.soN thought General Boyd ought', to have insured his property againtt all risks. In the event cat' at 'sea, he would have been placed in the iante . SitUritinti as he now was. He felt bound to oppose the want. Sir a. actu t s irrOs , Member of the Coot mutter, felt it accessary to say a few words on - this orcavion I,ad not been able to attend that Committee as often as he could - wish, but he felt it his duty, from what he had seen, to sup port the propo-ed gram. There was no doubt entertained of the extent of the service, or of the justice of the remuneration given by.t he India Com pany. Tuis eerntinerati - off was 'permissiOn to take a cargo of salt-ktre,to America, front which he would have realized a very great profit. Of this profit he was deprived, by the cargo having been seized by British Officers. Having lost the re wired given - by the India Company, General Boyd appealed not to the justice, but to the equity and liberality of Parliament, for some reecimpence for his services. If he understood the objections urged against the !tition, ihey were' two fold- 7 First, that General.Bityd ought_ to have protect ed himself front lOss . by insuring his cargo'; and secotidiy, because there had been some mis statements relative to the amount of the loss. If the Vessel had been lost at sea, or cap tured by a FreoCh privateer, the first would . be undoubtedly 'a goad argument against any claim on this country, but here the case was different. How was this property lost to General 13oyd ? It was lost . by the'act of British Officers, int! there ; fore by the act of the British . GOVerllnt r ant. (Hear !)—How was he to 'provide against this ? Suppose' the e‘ltopentiation had been in money, arid that'General Boyd hail been robhO . of it by officers 'professedly acting' under the Biitish Go vernment, would it he coutendedtbat , fre- had no claim on this country ? Undoubtedly not. And yet the principle was the same." This Gentleman . could not have had art idea that he ought to in sure property received froni this country 'aAainst the acts of this•co , ntry.. This was in fact giving with one hand and taking , away with tire O.ber,-- , He had not minutely examinctithe at counts laid before the Committee, but from is hat he'll:0 heard of Geii. Boyd's character,' frotn what he had beta told of his ignot ante of mercan'ile affairs, 'he could not for a moment toippUse that he had been guilt y of anOntent tonal' in is-statement. gasket!,: it would have been'madness iu him 'to -have •tlotte so, as the thing was 'easily ,!liscoverable. Urt dee arl• the . cir helelt hitn self bound to suppott the motion. Mr.FINLAY opposed, and Mr.l4oupting and Mr.Fottßes supported the motiOn, Sir isAac Cot , Ftla was acquainted witli ; Ge,neral, Boyd, and could assure the Iluuse that that Gep i tlern4nS incapable , of any mil-statement . I of his affairs. . . The CHANCELLOR of the CY;ctiE942 Rpbserved ,. that if. the: House turned their attention to the _i - eat services rendered by the 111arques0Villi n ley to' this cotintry,, they would find that a con 7, sideriblepart of those services would, have Fpst, much blood and treasure, were it not for the assistance rendered by. General 13(14 ~ ar, bad—he felt it due to that'Gentleman to support the motion.—The motion was then put and carried; The I-louse resumed, the ft;-,portw , as.lnought, up, and ordered to be received ,to -morrow. COMMITTn OF SUrfif.Y.. On the motion of the C#,ANPELLOR of the Ex.- CHEQUER, the Report of 1.111 . committee of Supply of hiday last was receiv ed, and several of t 4 Re.. solutionsswire agreed . On the Resolution for granting.l,oool to provide Implements of In dustry for the New Bridewell, Dublin— Mr. jItIME objected to the grant of this sum ; he thought it impolitic to vote money in this way. Such ch.ititable grants by Government prevented the public from coming forward, as they otherwise would on such occasions. Ile hoped, that as the 20 years since the Union bad expired, that the Irish Accounts would be regu. lady laid before the Moose and investigated ; if this Was done, he had no doubt but great reritic.- . tiOns' might be made iu the expenditure of that Country. Mr. V. FITZGERALD supported the Resolution. It was one which, he was „convinced, the iloufe would readily adopt, as it went to provide em ployment, and improve the persons confined in the New Bridewell. The linn. Member should recol lect that the Act of Milo(' had deprived Ireland of the powerfUland the wealthy part' of her inha bitants: Ile should recollect that, since the re moval of her Pat liament, the greater portion of the landed interest of that • country resided in England' ; and flrat"it could not be 'exp'ected . tbat her charitable institutions could keep pace with thoSe of this Country. lie did not rise . so much for the purpose:of supporting the ResointiOn„ y ets for that of entering' his 'protest against the doc trine of the lion. Member who opposed it. Air. C. GRANT spoke in favour ot i the Resolu tion. Ile felt coniffeed, that when the lion. MeeJer knew its ()hire', he would not Oppote it. St Vt'a , , in 13(1 nil experiment, to try ;low tar tilt: improvement introduced into English Prisons would be sncresstnl in Ireland. Ile did not at all intend to make this an annual grant. He was aware that some inquiry was necessary into the different Establishments in ) Ireland, and he was determined to prosecute such inquiry as speedily as possible. Mr. W. WYNN supported the motion. Mr M. 1 4' ITZGERALD cold not noderstsnd why a grant to Ireland, avowedly for a beneficial pur pose, should be refused solely on the ground of its being a novel grant.—(Hear !)—Grants were not debated on the score of their novelty, but on their application and utility. The present sum was as neceslary to the correction of the prisoners, as the erection of the prison was to their safe cus tody. There were, he admitted, some establish ments in which retrenchment might be made. The House of industry, for instance, he conceived was of a mischievous tendency, us it served to en courage idlene•s. Ile thought this establishment might be greatly reduced, if not totally abolished. . _ Mr. NV. SmiTtl made some observations on the various grants to Ireland; among others, he con sidered those to the Linen Board as objectionable. He could not perceive why the •linen trade of Ireland, which was conducted on so extensive a scale, should require a grant of 20,0001. 'to sup port ir, any more than the woollen or any other extensive manufacture of this country did. lie did not mean to oppose the present Resolution, but he conceived discussions on such subjects were always beneficial. Mr. PEEL hoped, that as long as the grants to Ireland were properly and beneficially applied, the House ‘vould nor refuse to continue them.— The House would recollect that • there were no pours' laWs in that country, and be could hitnself bear testimony to the charitable disposition of the people : he hail in many instances Seen sums of from 6 to 7001. collected at Charity Sermons in Dublin. With respect to the House of Industry he could assure the Hon. Member (Mr. M. Fitz •Aerald) that that establishment was much changed of late. At present there were no persons main tained in it but those who were incompetent to support themselves by labour. Mr. M. FITZGERALD observed, in explanation, that previously to the Union more than double the sum tq 7001. was frequently collected at Utility Sermons in Ireland. Sir 11, PARNULL supported the Resolution. He hoped; at the same time, that some inquiry would next year be made respecting the Linen Ilnard, as, it would give Parliament an opportnnity of exa mining the grounds on which that trade claimed thrir.asOstance. Mr. V. FITZGERALD said, that if any establiOt went required more peculiarly than anotirer the protection of Government, it was the Linen Board. The Gentlemen who composed that Board performed their• ditties gratuitously. The grAnts by Parliament were wholly divided in bounti e s on the manufacture of linen; the Linen Board de rived no profit whatever from.those grants. Mr. BisiNKBS supported.ihe ReS'Olution. Mr. C. GRANT explained. Lord CARHANIPTON animadverted upon the amount of.the grant to the Commissioners for widening and improving the streets of Mr. V. FITZGERALD defettilid the giant, oh servingt that the iNnhletord , .had been so long absent from Ireland, ihat he not aWare of the changes•whiehhad taken Placein the extent at.tl conduct. of-thecominisSion i to . • Ali.. Humit.,ind mr:v: FIT 4 agRALD explained. Mr. Alderman Supported the argil : nsenis of Dlr. littme. Mr. MAtittt.t . •Of Galway) said, that he bad lately visited the flotise of ludtisr io Dublin, Pam] tOundthat the hbjecti .ci-iiifine , l there (some of who'll he-dme hiMself reconimended), were utterly incapable of 'labouring tor their subsist eoce.. The several Res.olutirms were agreed to, the H ous e resumed, anti the Repot t . Was articled to be brought op to-morrow, WAYS AND MEANS. The House having . reiolied 'into a Committee of'Wfiys cind *Means, , c. ••The.CHANceLto of the EXCHFCLUER observe:l, that in' his :general' propOsbion of the 136,.10.t he liad . :endeervotired to give a full 'explanation bf the state of our finances. and of the means provided for the sUpply of the exig - enc.ies of the year. He did not, therefore, mean upon 1 this occasion, to enter into that subject at any length, but Merely to tnhmit a particular propo. sition with regard to the issue of Exchequer Bills for England and of Treaiiir'y'Bills for Ireland. It would be recollected that our unfunded debt at the commencement of this year was equal to forty-nine millions, consistin,g of 441 millions of Exchequer Bills for England, and 41 millions of Treasuryßills.for Ireland. By the measures al ready adopted this unfunded debt would be re duced at the close of this year to the extent of 101 million. So - the difference outstanding would be 38-1• million, and of this sum it was prbpos ed to leave 20' millions still afloat. But he Lad to propose that 161 millions of Exchequer Bills should . be issned for the service of England for the present year, and two millions of Trea •Sory Bills for the service of Ireland. Ile hail also. to propose, that a sum of 244,5921. re ,ntaining in the 'Exchequer as the surplus which appeared- in the papers 'before the House, of the grants for 1818, should be voted for the sbpply: of the present year. In the corium,- itieation. which be hal, on a former occasion, thade.to the House, with respect to the state of our revenue, lie mentioned that the pro. duce for the — qoarter, ending in April last, exceeded the• corresponding quarter of the hat year , by tihout 250,0001„ but at the time he made that stat'erneot the revenue 'of the ctorent goat.- ter 611'61116i off by about 100,0001. He had, now, howeser, the satisfaction of informing the -Hoitt.e; that the present quarter would be (aunt! to exceed the core esponding quarter of the last . sear by orr less than 300,0001. and in this sum the duty upon tea and other ariieles was lint The Advance had not, indeed, been upon any ortide which was to be subjected to new 'duties,,anq this be thought it necessary to notice, because it might be stipposell that i ,per, sons would be forward to pay up the taxes upOn a ny at ticks qu n which pm tintis were aunts' to be ;I:.poseti, in Coe dew tr, esc‘ape r r(l4l. those new duties. To such a progressive 't ill ' p-rovernent of our rerenue the Right FloitoL ir : able Gentleman said that be telt it his (I.I I Y " direct the attention of the House, and Ile r°3 ; chided with moving the grant of siveen and a half of Exchequer Bills for the service ° England. Mr. 3. SMITH asked what amount of Exch,tl"l Bills was likely to he in the hands of the 0‘. 1 : 16 at the close of the year, exclusive of the 0" which might remain in the market ? The CHANCELLOR 'Of the EXCHEQUER Ter! d about 22 millions ; but, alter some oh , ervil l "' " from Sir H. Parnell, the Right llon. Gentle's,a said, that he forgot to deduct three millions dePfill sited in the Exchvquer, which would leave l 4 amount of Exchequer Bills in•the bands of IP Bank at 19 millions. Sir H. PARNELL remarked upon the rate of e i t change between England and Ireland at pres ell . f i l which was decidedly against the latter, and n view to reduce that rate, he suggested the OP' diency of issuing English Exchequer Bills in land, which might be thus exported to this Cu ult try in lien of bills of exchange. The Wnot CHANCELLOft of the EXCHEQUER CO '. -- 0 see the advantage of issuing Exchequer lit ( Dublin, (Or ito.vt( that issoe would have the (P, C f ‘i g stated by the Hon. Baronet, but he „thould his duty to consider the subject, as he would IA happy to facilitate any. arrengemeut that ' lll L' o p _serve to improve OA state ofexchanv bet" the two countries. Air. Alderman Wows stated, that he beats% received several letters from Ireland , comrial 9il ; . of the effects of the Exchange, and e,xprwed.li'j regret that the Bill was not adopted, which he ": felt it his ditty to submit to the House for enel: ra g ing th e transport of English capital to Irek rlt i " as that measure . was naturally. calculated.to , t lo.' ni,sh the eyil complained of. Mr. V. FITZGHEALP said, that he was IlOt (li r e posed to expect so mach from the adoption of i j' s Bill alluded by the Worihy Alderman ;. bu t 11 thought that t o great drain upon It t lan4 c!c' ! casioned by the operatiou.of the law for allowillq the transfer of . English Stock to that coont i t i for the export of 41. millions of Irish cap 4 a l pay foe that Stock, adOed to the sums drawo„, th absentees, must naturally serve to affect the o % ; change. The Eftgbange was therefore at presO n i considerably against Ireland, no less, iol es ,` . than 15' per cent.; and, independently of the l : e dividual. interests of those who were u ndef i " v necessity of viiiting„tltiscountry, bow,lnost f a t. a circumstance a ff e ct the commercial body in till! ' country. newtC to HANCELLOR of the ExcnsanEs e%f di : his readiness to attend to .atiy, suggesx ion recols mended by his Right HonourableFrieud, but lutist say that he thought the state of the i fi o change at present was more owing to the fo' fo t the English Funds than to any ot,her,cato.e , • that.fall, especially con pared to the_rate_ot . lr l ; o Stock, naturally induced' the Iris h capitsbi t transfer his capital •to this country with a vies"' ~t i f buy into,, the..Brit,ish Food's. . This transfer 7, st .' indeed always likely : tat4e . place, when there ' 4 .r , a loan in this country. But as to the Excl.tio';': it was usually high in the Spring, wbilt it lc _ towards to close of the year. Mr. V. FITiGF RAID thOught that the.c oB ,l4 which had taken pla& e with regard to the,Sio" . Fund had materially affected the Excliabge• to Mr. 'lltc.kano observed, that as accordirg Union, a common measure o sure wolo be' establ i 'Y : 4 for bo:h countries in February next, the Exci! 4 9 l ;: was then likely to be at par„ or very nettri)r i ' s o fle ilkought that the utmost facilities sliot4 ( ': , o r' afforded for the mutual transfer of Stock bet"' o i t l, England anal Ireland, so that each conntry s " -. 01 have an.equal advantage according to the state' the money market. Mr. CALLAGuItN said, that' if the preset)t r of exchange were steadily to continue, lie not be among those who woold lament it' s , A i must serve as a tax upon absentees,. and, bounty upon exportation. rtd After a few more observations from Meg g ',. Ricardo and, Callaghan,. the—Resolutions '' o , o agreed to, the House resuroed,,aud the Report ordeted to be received to-morrow. • SLAVE REGIsTRY. , tu f Mr. Goinitt: au moved the comtnittal Sloe. Registry 13111, and after some objeclOol frout Mr. Bernal and Mr. W. Smith, on the n r`' N u ir.• of the .necessity. of, retsenchment, and fro"' ) ", 0 1 , Waherf!.irce. support it, as- the only ktf et ' io . measure to prevent the illicit importation of Sb Av it went through kCommittee. The Report was receivetl, and ordered • further considered on Wednesday next. 1-11., On the motion for the further considerati °° ' tlt,e Report on the.Stil,l Fines (Ireland).lidit o il ?Jr. HuTcettis;soN pressed the postponeme nt „f,4 the measure,. ou the ground at the laten o9 l,o4 the hour. He had, sat in that House sin ce o• entered it that day, nearly 12 hours ;' wo 5 : 0 1 1 of the Members against whom the repraacn o V absence could not lie. It was strange that 111..At' business was dins retarded till the very.en tl ij c f the Session. Fifty-four Orders, with a nu n/ o gif' of Notices, stood for that day; was that a P r , 11 : 0 10 mode of legislating ? called, upon the ca cellor of the Exchequer, not as a point of 61/9 10 0 1 but in iustice., to postpone the discossiou 1211- rasonable boor. to • The CHANCELLOR of the Exchequer agre ed post pone it till to-morroa;. 1,0 111 Ater a few words from Colonel Barry, Mount Chatles, and _General Hart, who P res- 01 the necessity of at• length coming to a decision's,' a. point in which the happiness of. I,: eland %.v 4s ie involved, the question was postponed u o o` • morrow. f A new writ was moved for the liorow'JP. 0 ft. c verton, in the room of the Right I,l,iht t kirAP r o t. , Ryder, wilt: had accepted the Office of Stc' the Chiltern Hundreds. The other Orders of the Day Were then 'l6c l posed of, and the House adjohrned.at Two 01id this Morning. ---. • • LaNwN:.Printed by 3, B. cARSTAIRS, of Ne• 491 01 - niond-street, (4ns-en-square; and published .40 1 , ' SCRIPPS, of No. 7, South Ikhdton-street, at T",- ) ",40" attic,., No, 112, Strand ; where Adweitisements, Lotuis, (post-paid) xitt 4a.),4!!"..44' c