The Sun. — London, England, 1819-06-11 00:00:00

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Wadi , Late “7 vV34 di u<< ° In 04 : Y (PLI nor 511 C " c foin - • . , terins stroniz a possible, a recom- Thendrition to the Government to keep the - Itruotrit cf the forces in the Celonies at as low a rate as possible. His great object at present *as to obt a i n for the Howe all ;lc:count which Ehotild set fortleltilly and particularly the amount of the expenses of the Colonial establishments ; but lie was not sure that Minister's had in their Inver all such papers as might be necesary for this purpose. So far as he knew, the whole amount of the rerenne of the Colony of Ceylon tvas not ab,lr c o.l4,oool.—drat of ALiiril 114,000/. end the lonian Islands 120,0001.. It was a very I n estionalde policy, wheth er th e Crown should be % 1 10Vved to nominate all the Officers and regulate Ghe GoYeriinient of all the Colonies without th e )ttrervention of A Colonial Legislature, or any Co 10nial Representative system ? But he did not bleat) to enter npoit that CiOestion at present. lie rould not, however, conclude iVithout noticing, that by the best inforthation it ,eppeared that !the Dutch had derived a very considerable revenue from Ceylon rod the Cape of Good Hope. This *4 " well worthy of consideration ; and the more to, because the establishments' which the Lurch had supported in the Colonies could not have been i n considerable, seeing that they were kept in such 1 . 1 slate as to be always ready to resist the attacks they must Constantly have expected from Treat Britain. He was convinced that if the Go t'ernment would send out persons properly ied to the Colonic!, to inquite what reductions #?ight• be fairly Made, that it would be found that most iniporaet savings would be effected to the ""att'y. ,Leaking on the authority of persons " ) f the highest authority on such a point, t hat if this system had been adopted with re !Peet tO Ceylon five years ago, all those alatnitotts events which had taken place there, a nd had CliSt the country so many valuable f i e 3, and so much money, would have been ""uteri. He had endeavoured to simplify as trin e l, as possible the motions wi,ich he would !"tialit to the House. They would consist of '" , r for each colony, Ist. An account of the re- Venn e of Ceylou for the last two years. 2d. A return of thi total expellees of that Colony for t he tw o last years, distiognishing all the branches ! Iti d,particolars of the expenditore. 3d, A return th e Civil U; hers whose salaries amonnt to 1501 • per annum a nd upwards in Ceylon for the 1 4 ' t year, hove appointed, and whether ex rutin;ile('ens of offices in person or deputy. • 4th. A retort) of the Military, and ta ffOffieers in Ceylon for the last year, with ' s he amoutit of the pay an d einolumenis of each. 'he meant also to move for similar retorns•from l!he Nam, of ;‘,7,at it ins,.the Cape of Good Hope, ‘laha, and the lonian Islands. The first R e t urn from Ceylon was then moved for. hMr. G ., YULBURN said, he had already expressed i s winigness to produce the Papers moved for. 43 this was the case, he was sure the House would hPprove of his abstaining from entering into a dis li%sion of all the subjects mentioned by the Hon. e titlaition, as they embruced various details which 1 11 ,„'"I first be in the possession of the House.— 'Olt respect to the looian Islands, however, he Otliti no t agrPe tO the prOduction of such Returns i4'the lion. Gentleman mentioeed. He objected ° them iu the case of those- States, on a principle r i lich he thoodlat tl,e Honourable Gentleman. iruself must approve, nam e ly, becaus e the hi l ii - 41 1 Islands had' a separate and independent i i *Rislat ure and representation. They weir, in ` s et, separate States, and so tench so, that G - t ern had never thou ;ht it necessary to rail or such accounts from these States. It might i r . )11 ' 4 1ts be in the p o w e r o f hi s M a j est y' s High ''' ° altnissio ner in those Islands to call for such *l4vertunts, but be thought the House would agree ith hito thinking that th e r e w a s no t now any ne e • „ e ssity for calling for then,. IS -lie emir motions were then a g re ed to f o r the 18 od of Ceylon, for the Mauritius, for the C3pe t,tG ""d Hope, and for Malta, after a few words rent Air. C. Fosses, inaudible in rite Gallery. ` - ` ll the question for similar 4ccounts for the . c)fli an'lslauds, idr. tiny E.. said, ti• ( At - Mit:Man (:Ur. Cotillion)) had objected to %e returtis from the lonian Islands, were not ii:-tect • He referred to th e co d e f or t h e regula 0f those Island., as s h ow i ng t h at t h ey did ,stTt stand i n so rnote a relation to this - country ri to any oth er E uropean S tate, as had been u a ted by the Hon. Gentleman. If this 'country ete 'tot ca ll ed upon to vote money for the sup iloreet c s o o s r a r l e ry y t 0 a the e lonianc for the a id s' returns e s f l n'ritt not t h e but think e nl it was so granted —as we wer e bo un d by ""vention of Paris to maintain a military ..e °I 3,000 men i u th ose I s i au d s , an d as suc h ({ l . (. 'as so maintained by its, and at our ex e, he thought the House would see it was - 'Y to have such returns. . hilt' first return f or t h ose i s l an d s was t h en tio v (I for and negatited without a divi s i on . heT ' to beco n d retina was agreed to with respect t to "se isl an d s , an d t h e ot h er two were not . uv ed for. WAYS 'AND AIEANS. Air. B R ooDE N br ought up the Report of the 3 ; eso nnuitte e of Ways and Means. Tie first three end lutions were read a first and second time, "geed to. Ott the questio n being put on the Resolution fur the additi.nal Malt. Duty, Lord MILTON said he bad last night, in the eui • tinttee, Prop ose d , t h at i nstead of the new 31at 3/ of 2s. 10(i. a duty only of Is. 4d. be int- He was anxious to take the sense of the ouse on this subject, bit: did not mean to enter sl'to any discussion . , except merely to guard him elf from Pb bein g supposed to object to this tax, lan a llSe it w ou ld l ay an additional pressure on the 2ified interest, hut because it would afFect the tver orders. The . higher Ot tiers sere those who \v - tlgh t to sustain the burden, and his• objection that the burd e n seas not there placed. BitouGnAm said, he was as, anxious as his nble lrie " t() tt"iti n b discusiio on this iu rras no b ject ' t , ca his tteopinion ris to its impottance r " f cred, but becanse. anolLer most important ). 'ote--the Foreign bilist . nivnt n: 11 , stood for ';sct, ;, , 12 1 8- 1 " hi" night. Tiik. Hon. iN,Jenthcr con tu.l,l4" oy main ti taining that G e ii,!A• duty upon incl . " - void ; , ttie ili4t instnce, on the grower, . . . itnti in the nest (in the rimistit'Ae . r. The landed interest at large would be great 'sufferers by the measure ; and the grower of barley would be much more affected by it than what he had expe rienced from any tax fur several years. Lord Mt LToN persisted in his opposition. The Res()lutiOu for 2s. 6d. was then put and carried. The next Resolution was that for one shilling duty on all malt, COMlneneing from the sth of July. Mr. CALvartT assured the Hausa that this new duty would ruin all the malrsters in the country. They would not only be losers to the amount of 174. 6(1. per quarter, hut lose also the expellee ot convertint; the barley into malt. The old duty was 9s. instead of 17s. 6i. On account of the destructive elfeet now mentioned, he found it in cumbent upOu him to take the sense of the House on the question. He also complained 'of the in justice done to the mAitsters by Government, when they estimated the stock from the present The CHANCRLLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, th a t the sable policy had been adopted when the War Malt Duty had been established ; but, when it - was repealed, the over-charge thus made on the stock was returned to the n►al'stcr. Mr. CALVERT observed, that the war duty had at first been 165., although a!terwardi reduced to 14s. He thought that, at all events, an allowance 'ought to be wade for the trouble and eXpence of converting the barley into malt, • A division then f(;Ilowed, viz.:— Ayes Noes Maj.rity In the progress of the ren►siuin;; Resolutions, several amendments were proposed by Mr. J. P. Gtr ANT. They were all rejected ; when till the Resolutions were separately put and agreed to ; and a Bill or Bilk were ordered to be brought in pursuant to the Resolutions. FOREIGN ENLISTMENT BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL. having movecl the Order of the Day for the Committee on the Foreign Enlistment Bill, Mr. Alderman Wool) presented a petition, si„, , ned by a great number of the inhabitants of West minster, - against the Bill. The signatures, thong!) so numerous, were obtained in the course of t w(i hours,—The petitio❑ Was 'nought up, read, and laid on the table. The Order of the Day having been read, . . Colonel Davis mentioned, that as an erro neous impression had gotie abroad, he found it necessary to correct the mistake. It could not be denied, that the . Noble Lord (Castlereagh) am! others had.in similar questions been goided by the policy and nsage which had been established for more than a century and a half, and yet they now came forward to ovet (urn the principles w hi c h b a d been sanctioned and acted upon by their ances tors. It was extraordinary, that although no treaty approximating in any way to the effect now Wanted existed, the Noble Lord and his Colleagues, to gratify the beloved Ferdinand, proposed a mea sure disgraceful to our Councils as a Nation. If Spain affected to clai.o the facilities which were now about to be granted by the British Govern ment, the Honourable Menilva iaststed, tha t the c o n d uct , O f Ferdinand, evet since his return to Spain, entitled him to on tour esy or nick!- : I:ence from this coloor F . that memorable event, the ,ehole career of F er di nan d b a d b een • a series of aggressions against this country.— BritiSlt merchants had been wantonly imprisoned by hint, and the commerce be'ween Spain and Eoolaitd totally annihilated. Wits it to such a Prince, governed b! the - caprice or prejudice of the moment, that we ought to yield the dignity of our nation, and the independence of our Parlia ment ? Kemonstrances had been made to him in vain on behalt of the British merchants so abominably treated. Instead of obtainiug their release or a mitigation of personal inflictions, our remon taoces produced only the renewal of his aggres sions, with every bitter aggravation of antipathy. One would scarcely suppose that similar conduct could be adopted even under the most despotic Go.vernment. A letter from Mr. Simpson, a resi dent Enelith mercltatir in the capital of Spain, would prove the gratitude of Ferdinand for the services of this country. In the year 1816, his dwelling-house was entered in the night-time, and his papers and goods seized, and Mr. Sitop son himself sent to prison, under the false pretext that he was a dealer in contraband goods; but he had the authority of Mr. Simpson for saying, that he was ready to make slfidavit, denying the truth of the allegations, and maintainiug that he had never dealt in contraband goods. But even if he bad dealt in contraband goods, that fact was no excuse for this violation now mentioned. By every Treaty with Foreign Powers at' peace With. England, the house of a British merchant !resident abroad was deemed sacred. The Noble Lord (Castlereagh) knows, that trade with England had been 'prohibited by Ferdinand, and that any attempt to that effect was punishable with death. The ab surdity of the two Acts of George 11. was evident. By the new Act fifty or sixty officers now serving in South America would be rendered liable to te lolly'. But the spirit of freedom which animated those men induced them to ton every risk in so glorious a cause. Two Officers had lately appear ed at the Prince Regent's Levee in the military uniforms of the South American Patriots, and actually took leave id the very same regimentals ! (Hear, hear, With laughter )—No event could prove so beneficial to England as the emancipa tion of South Ameriea. It would lie an admirable tource of commerce in favour of this coutory. But by the Treasury cotes which had been - circulated, the Ministers were in earliest to ser‘e Ferdinand, and to support the new policy of the Legiti mates.--=-(1-tear, hear, hear !) Mr. ROBINsoN had no hesitation in allowing, that if the arguments of the last speaker were well founded, there was sufficient cause for going to war. Notwithstanding the odium attempted to be thrown ou the Spanish Government, and on his Majesty's Ministers, the House would ac knowledge that the measure was not (oily pro. per, hot justifiable. He protested against the in sinuations towards his Majesty's Governmeht that they were not sincere in the adoption of the measure. The honour and good conduct of this cutintry were deeply involved in the Bill uow pro. .. • posed. What he Said might nut . perhaps have sufficieist weight with some Gentlemen on the opposite side of the Houie ; but lie declared to God that he thought the measure necessary, and that he himself, as well as Ikose with whom he had the honour of acting, were perfectly sincere on the occasion. —(Hear, hear, hear).—rl general denial of 'the rectitude of a particular policy did not prove an hostility to freedom in any quarter of the world. If he understood the ques tion, it regarded the propriety of our supportiog the act of neutrality bet ween this coantrey and a power with whom we were now at peace. The violation of that neutrality was not only an offence against the corntnon but an offence against the law of nations. In support of the Bill, a re ference was made to the proclamation of the year 1816, when Military Officers and those on half pay had been prohibited front engaging in the service of the South Americans. One would have supposed tnat ibi s would have checked any viola tion of the neutrality ; but, in the course of time, fleets and armies were equipped from our ports, and persons acting as agents were found ready to enlist regiments as soon as disbanded. Under such ciretonstauces, could the Spanish Govern ment look on with indifference?—'(Hear knew very well, when the passions were excited, it was easy to bring those passions into play ; but he thought it very culpable to permit our prejudices or passions to bias decisions or qoestions of the first national import ance. It had been used as an argument, that the measure proceeds from the suggestion of Foreign lower; and that therefore it ought to he resisted by Parliament. Were such an orpi ment well brooded, it would be a sufficient cause for exciting the jealousy and indignation of the House. Bur the measure was foonded on other principles. It was for the maintenance of that neutrality which had been unwarrantably violated by the subjects ofshis country. Between that supposed suggestion and the remonstrance of Boonaparte against the Liberty of the Press of England there was a strong analtigy. To gratify Buonaparte by checking the liberty of our press, it would have been disgraceful had Ministers collie down to the House, in obedience to the dictates of Buonaparte, to have proposed a Bill to that effect. One case bore a close analogy to that now under discussion. In the year 1794, a treaty was entered into between England and the United States of America, in which th e re_ was a clause prohibiting the Govern ment Of either country from allowing their respective subjects to enlist iu the service of Powers at war with either nation. This was an Act for the maintenance of neutrality between the tWor Powers ; and the United States passed an Act in support of the principle. To bring the analogy to bear—Suppose the subjects of the United States equipped ships against our possessions in the West Indies, and suppose we demanded a redress for this I violation of neottality, if the Ametican Govern sent refused it, there would be a just cause for wain—(Hear, hear, hear !)-1 be conduct of Sir Gregor Macgregor and his followers was con demned 'as unjustifiable in every respect. — Some persons might say, that such proceedings would be productive of great advantages to commerce ; bot he could only view such acts as gross violations of the law . ot nations, ante . open acts of robbery.— . (Hear, bear; hear !) But be had no doobt that those persons would find themselves guilty of wanton plunder, and couseqoently liable to felony. The sensibilities of the human mind were laudable ; and lie by no means 'condemned those. who were actuated by such motives. The Honourable Member declared that he was not insensible to feelings in fae'our of • liberty ; and he could not biotin; such noble ins.. pressions without violating the operations of his own heart.—(Flear, hear, Hod cheering !)—But it was necessary that we, should not sacrifice our na tional interest and honour for feelings founded in error. If nations knew that we were governed by such passions or feelings, the political line of ob ligation would stiffer, and other States would be less careful in their conduct towards us.—(Hear,. bear !)—ln no period of our history was the maintenauce of peace more desirable than that which we now witnessed.— , (Hear, hear !)—Some Gentle Men attempted to console us by assurances that what we lost in the Old we might find in the New World. Do they thick that the countries alluded to would be more apt to confide its us by a violation of neutrality ? No. It would not only arouse their apprehensions and fears, but tend to destroy those inestimable bonds an which our peace and harmony m-ainly depended,—(Loud cheering ) Sir J. MACKINTOSH Said, he would contend that the present Bill was a direct violation of the prin ciple or nentralitywas against the common Jaw of England--against all the maxims of her great constitutional writers, and against the declared acts of her Government.—[Here the Honourable and Learned Gentleman went at considerable length into detail, and proved, in a variety of in stances, particularly in the reign of James the First, that similar applications as those which are supposed to have been made by nhe Court of Spain, were . rejected by that Monarch.] — He asked, then, was' the Parliament of the present day prepared to yield to the weak and bigot led principle which was formerly refused- to Philip and to Charles—to Ferdi nand, to whose name he would put no addition, no epithet would he strong enough to apply to hires? It Was 'Said that a neutral principle was merely sought to be established by the Bill. Was the Government of England, he asked, for up wards of 2(10 years past, without having esta blished any principle of neutrality ; and was it found . necessary to do now that which at 00 tor- . mer period of her history had been ever done he tore—Which was not done when Spanish influence was high in this country, so high as to bring about the destruction of one of the brightest ornaments of England, the valiant and accomplished Sit Wal ter Raleigh, a philosopher and a soldier, whose genius did honour to his country ? Yet Spain, at that day, did n o t dare to suggest what the Minister of this day calls upon a British Par liament to do. The Hots. and Learned Gentle man proceeded in a king and animated speech to oppose the Bill. It was one of those, bad measures which latter times had so much encouragen—it criginated from the same source as that of Alien Act. Formerly it was the pride and glory of England to extend her protectiou to eve's , one who took refuge in her bosom train oopreision and misfortune—but that asviorn has been closed against the unhappy stranger. lie hoped that Pat!lament would make a hrtn stand against a meastne which he . considered subversive of the best interests of England, destructive to her commerce, , and disgracettil to her fame. Jostice and policy called upon them not to op- press the rising struggles of a long soifering country, against tie odious power that oppressed it. The Hon. Gentleman then spoke of the re fusal of the Spani s h Monarch to grant the request so frequently made by this Government to release those popul.ir and able Members of the Cortes, who are now languishing in prison ; arid con chided with declaring that Arguillas had (folic for nothing what Ferllinand had beets paid for. Mr., CA&NtIvO assured the House that none could lie more sensible titan h4nsell to the spieu did impediment which the Hon. and Learned' Gentleman had opposed to the doe consideration of the merits of the question before. the House.-- Ile, however, conjured Honourable Members not to suffer their minds to be led away by the force of glowing eloquence abstractedly front the teal facts of the subject to be discussed. It was not for the 'House to look to the character of Ferdi nand upon the question, but to see ho* far the propoSed measure was called for by' , - the circumstances .of the case. He contetVed, however, th a t the C or t es were more di a '.. sea ro fix the y o k e o f s l av ery on . the Co- 'nits ► lo than lerdkna n d, an d insisted that th e r eat y now subsisting hetsveen this country and Spain ee e ought to be religiously observed, and strictly car , : rigid in!o execution. Whether the provision? of this Treaty were or were not exceptionable,- be did not take upon himself to decide; but once they had been subscribed, they ought, confor mably with good faith, to be duly enforced. The Right Hon. Gentleman then observed, that the law now existing paid no regard to neutrality, as it permitted British troops to enter the service of one of the belligerents, while they could not enlist under the banners of the other ; nor would the mere repeal of the Act of George the Second tend, of itself, to the impartial preservation of neutrality ; and he, therefore, was of opi nion that a specific measure was necessary on the subject. It was wrong, he maintained, to attria !aloe to the British Government any inclinatiou to assist one side More than the other, as they wished to act with the strictest impartiality towards both. He denied that the situation of Europe, at the period to which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman referred, was analogous to that now existing. In one instance, a spirit of adventurous enterprise was sanctioned, which in the other would not he justified. The usages of modern Europe did not recoanize such proceedings as those adverted to by the Honourable and Learned Gentleman. It was a notorious fact that troops - enlisted in the South ' American service, were now paraded about in many parts of our Empire, and the effect of this could be only to weaken the allegiance of British subjects to their SOveteign. The Right Honourable Gentleman next adverted to the manifesto of Great Britain, on the aid afforded by the French merchants to the Insurgents of North America, and inferred from it that Spain had a just right to remonstrate under similar circum stances. Spain was decidedly hostile to colonial 'emancipation ; and wo u ld be so , even h a d s h e a Monarch endowed with as many virtuesas the pre sent Monarch, in the opinion of the Hon. and Leasned Gentleman, was stained with crimes, lie dwelt at some length on the temerity which led British officers to South America, and said that nothing but disappointment and misery could be expected to result from it. [Here the Right Hon. Gentleman was intermitted by an Hon. Member on the Opposition side, who rose for the purpose of addressing the Chair, and was called to order]. Mr. Canning then observed, that as two• ne gatives made an affirmative, so two irregu larities made a regularity.—(A laugh.)—The Hon. Gent, could not speak from uncle, the gangway, nor could he speak while he (Mr. Canning) was speaking, so between both irregularities, he hap pened to set himself right.—(A laugh !)—He then resumed his arguments upon the question, and said that the consequences of tolerating the sort of trade now carried on with South Ame rica, would be to pervert and disgrace the cha racter Cat the British merchant. The most dis gusting scenes, lie was- sure, would be wituessed all over this country by bands of military adven turers parading it in evety direction, if the House,- through a mistaken zeal in the cause of freedom, should reject the proposed measure.— (Cheers from, the Ministerial Benches.)—He showed that the celebrated Memoire Justicatif, which he had understood to have been drawn up for the Government of the day by Mr. Gibbon, asserted principles on the part of this country in such language, that at the present, if the circum stances under which it appeared were unknown, it might pass for the remonstrance of the Spanish Ambassador. Those principles had been sanc tioned by Europe and by the United States of America. ' He then called• upon the House to look at the first Article of .the Code of Citizenship of South Ainerica, which declared that eitiaeos should forfeit all the rights and privileges of citizenship if they accepted foreign officea. He did not say that temporary disadvantages would not follow the passing of this Bill, but the evil it was intended to meet w a s a growing one which ought to he checked. If this were not done, Seems were likely to be presented in the ensiling . Summer of a nature most disgraceful to the character of the country, awl bodies of armed men raised for foreign service mh s tlit parade our streets. If the Bill were rejected, let not the Executive Government be blamed, shonld such a spectacle be witnessed. Ministers had done their dory by bringing forward the present imeasure to maintain the honour awl neutrality of the country ;- arid if their conduct •eft a 100 on i•s character, which might easily be said, but which would be difficult of proof, if they forgot their ditty by leaning to one side or to the other, it would hereafter be competent to Parliament to recal that power which they now gave. Mr. SCAHLET UnderStoo(l nentrAlity to be the on ly object that the Eight Hon. Gentleman had