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see the extent of the grievances to which these poor debtors were exposed in India. Five years ago he had bimitelfseen in Bombay gaol 120 debtors, in the most pitiable state of suffering. Would it be believed that many of these were poor natives who had been for years (some of them 12 years he believed) confined for debts not exceeding . 12t. steeling each?—(Hear, hear.)—lf the local authori ties could relieve and would not they ought to be made to interfere in so crying a grievance. With respect to the RankrUpt Laws, he..knew that many persons who had ex, • perienee of judicial matters in India, particularly his Hon. -and Learned Friend opposite, thought its principle could be well appliedinthat country. Sir .L MACKINTOSH having been so directly appealed to, must say, that though be had not seen the same ex tent of suffering in the gaol : at Bombay which his Hon. Friend had seen, vet he saw enough to convince him that much 'suffering prevailed , there, and ought to be removed. The motion Wa , 4 then agreed to. Mr. H 11742., referring to an Act of the 6th Geo. 111. 37, iaid that there was a clause in that Act introduced b a :Ri g ht Honourable Gentleman, helotv him (Mr. C. Wynn) .very much against his (Mr. Hume's) inclination .--the clause which prevented any but Christians to be Jurors in cases where Christians were the parti es nied--inasmnch as it contained an insinuation against some the moat respectable persons in the Presidencies, of which they e xpressed themselves in terms of great displeasure. Thi- 4 was the more felt Bombay, where the re mains of the Portuguese Christians were to be found, and who, in, comparison with. their 'Endes) neighbours, were not in a situation to deserve the privileges which this clause secured to them. While on. this subject, he would suggest, as a means of conciliating the minds of the na tives, that they should be eligible to serve as Jurors in civil causes. The want of such a privilege was now particu larly felt, for he was sorry to find that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Calcutta had not acted so as to meet the wishes of the natives, but that he and they were at variance, and consequently a spirit of distrust in the s aministration...of justice was too prevalent there. Ile concluded by moving for a Copy of the Regulations that had been adopted by the Supreme Courts of the several Presidencies of India as to Natives sitting on • Juries, by virtue of the 7th of Geo. LIL c. 37. The motion having been put, .Lord ASHLEY said that the regulations of the Supreme Cour' of Calcutta had arrived in this country; that they were now before ,his Majesty in Council, and would be speedily laid on the• table of the House. Mr. WYNN had introduced the clause alluded to on the fullest belief that it was necessary. Mr. FEROUSSON from long experience was satisfied that the exclusion of the natives by the present, clause was unjust. The motion was agreed to, Mr. HUME said that the next motion be had to bring before the House related to the expenses of law proceedings in India. By the 37th Geo. 111. the Judges of the Indian lilottrts were authorized to .give reasonable salaries to the clerks and other officers. . But in a. little time the amount of the fees began to be complained of, and at last they be came the subject of a remonstrance. by the Grand Jury. The reason why he introdneed the subject on the present occasion was, because the Lord Chief Justice declined taking any steps with regard to it. It appeared that the salaries of the officers, by means of fees, exceeded the whole amount of the salaries of the Judgee.. The Hon. Member con •:luded by moving for a Copy of a Table of Fees sanctioned by the Courts of Bombay, Fort William, Fort St. George, and Prince of Wales's Island, distinguishing the fees from the salaries. Lord ASHLEY said that the Tables bad not yet arrived, G o vernment being in posiression only of the variations in the amount. Mr. FERGUSSON didnot mean to oppose the motion; hut, at the same time, be must say, that in the course of twenty-seven years the fees, so far from increasirg, had rather diminished. The officers derived considerably : from the increase of business. This, however, had nothing to do with the question. - If his Hon. Friend would OA ly take the trouble to send doe of his 'Secretaries to his (Mr. Fergusson's) honse he would give bini at once the Table of the Fees now paid in the places mcutioned. Mr. HUME explained. • Mr. TRANT supported the motion. CHURCH BRIEFS. Mr. PEEL had, on a former night, given. notice of his intention tobring in two Bills on subordinate subjects relat ing to the internal economy of the country. The first measure was for the total abolition of Church Briefs in consequence of calamities by fire ; for he considered that the establishment of Insurance Offices rendered well a mode of raising money totally- unnecessary; and more over, it appeared to him extremely improper to intro duce secular matter in 'the middle of Divine Service. It was also to be observed that there was, a great dis • proportion between the hiss sustained and the sum ulti mately received by the party. after the expense- of caner :Lion was paid. Ifs had in his possession an account of the total number of Briefi issued since the I sth of . May, 1619, in conseguen&e of calamities by tire; and one or two instances would show - how small the sum • was which was paid to the individual by ,whom the loss wag .7ustained.—The first instance he should advert to was a brief issued in 1819, when the loss sustained was 5621.. and the sum raised was 549/. The expenses, of the let ters patent amounted to 9'71., and the charge of collection,' ;neluding salaries, Itc., was SSW., leaving only 124/. out of the 549/. to the party. In every view he thought such system highly objectionable, and the sooner it was done away the better. Then, as to the mode of eolleeting•money toy Briefs for the repairs of churches and chapels, though it was not liable to the seine objection, he still looked upon it as a very precarious source of supply, the sum collected varying generally from 4401. to 3391., out of which all the expenses were to be paid. It was therefore his intention to move for the repeal of the Act of Anne, with a view to the total abolition of the system. (Hear, hear.) At the same time he thought that the collection of money in churches was an excellent mode of supply; and in order to substitute it for the other, he should propose letters patent being granted by his Majesty, that the existing Society for Building and Repairing Churches by voluntary con tributions should be incorporated. That Society had al ready done much good, and were likely to do more, With the 110,000/. which they had distributed, from the con tributions made to them, they induced parties locally irate.. rested in different parts of the country, to contribute nO less than 400,0001. in aid of the general, fund, and the total amount at the present moment was 500,000/. The object of the Society was to provide accommodation fox the. public. With the' 110,000/. thus expended, free sittings wet* provided'far 154,000 persons. He should alio pro pose to give to the Society a permanent title to receive quest; and legacies. He should likewise introduce a clause for making the Prelates of the several dioceses Vice-Presi dent:l, together with twenty_fi ve laymen ; and that all the A gtounts should be examined at stated periods. The whole • c harge on the present amount of distribution, though die sum was so large, did not exceed 440/. asyear, including sa l ar i es and rent. This showed the excellence of the sysi lemon which the Society acted. The . Right H on . Gen tleman then a l lover' for leave to bring in a Bill for the a better mode of for enlarging ri,Nerehes abo lition of Churc h Briefs, and for providing collecting volunta r y contributions and Chapels. Sir .1. NEWPORT wished, to eat the principle of the Billextended to Ireland. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCI-M.Qusa. said a few words, which were inaudible in the gallery,, • • .‘ Dr. LUSHINGTON supported the motion, that, under the present syste m of collecting amount. briefs, the expenses greatly ex uded the pe t (Mr. Peel said they were three ti tee al d, public and the flue. amo unt. ) The whole of the system ought to be were greatly indebted to the Right lion , it;otiern. for Proposing to have the existing Society ineorporetege Mr. RIOORE should not perform his duty if he remaci4 silent on the question beforetlw House. Imputations had been thrown out against Magistrates ; but lie would take upon him to say that the Magistracy of nublin were quite enobnoxious, and could not be included in tiae charges, brought forward by the Right Hon. Baronet. Mr. Alderman WOOD was gratified by the motion .of the Right Hon. Gentleman, because he wished to see Church Briefs of every description put an end to. in the Ci t y there were briefs of a peculiar description, which he could not more properly denominate than by calling them walking briefs. 'the collections at the churches were merely totoinsl. There was seldom more than sixpence, and at the ,most Lot more than a shilling, put in the plate on occasions of this kind ; but the walking briefs—the beadles with gold laced hatsend coa ts--(laughter) -- endeavoured to make up the decency... They were quite an annoyance— wa lki ng about from door en door ; and their importunity was such, that neither man, nor woman either, could refuse. H e therefore felt indebted to 4.e. Right Hon. Secretary for in troducing a measure to get rigl of the nuisance. Mr. PEEL explained. In introducing the Bill, his Object certainly was to confine it to England ; and even if he had wished to eetendit to Ireland, the weight of business on hi s handl was such, that it was quite out of his power to do it. •That;iiii thought,' would Mere properly fall to t h e o ffi c e of the Secretary for Ireland. Sir JOHN NEWPORT hoped that the Bill would ex tend to Ireland. Leave to bring in the Bill was then granted. RECOVERY OF SMALL DEBTS. Mr. Secretary PEEL then proceeded to state the prin ciple of the Bill for the better recovery of Small. Debts in England. At present those persons to whom debts of a certain amount were due by persons refusing to pay, fre quently thought it much better to abandon the debt alto gether than go through the expensive process which became necessary for its recovery. The proceedings in the County Courts were so long and expensive that few persons at tempted the recovery of a debt unless actuated by pique against the parties ;- the Conti alw4as absorbing the whole amount of the debt for :laic% the 'creditor sues. His at tention hail been frequently called to the subject ;, but great difficulty occurred in devising a 'remedy: A.Voble Lord (Lord Althorp), • the Meniger.for: Northamptonshire, bad entered. into an extensive inquiry by the means of a Com mittee, and had introduced two or three Bills upon the subject. Those Bills had not been carried through the House, and it was at the earnest desire of that Noble Lord he now undertook the task of introducing the Bill. Th e first Bill of the Noble Lord appointed, as Judges of the Courts, a number of persons called Assessors, at . a salary of six or eight hundred a-year"; the patronage of the ap pointment of these Assessors to he placed in the hands of the Lord Lieutenants of counties: Power was at the same time given to unite small counties with districts under. one Assessor, and to levy . the salary of the Assessor upon that district, or: from fees to be paid in the Court over which he presided. Objections were taken, : very naturally, to the placing the patronage of the appointment •of these Assessors in Lord - Lieutenants, and the appoint ment was afterwards given to the Crown, and of course the regulation of the salary also rested with the eroven. It was, afteiwarde proposed, that 'the Cominiasioners for the Relief of Insolvent Debtors should make circuits at stated periods, to preside ,in Courts for the 'Recovery of Small Debts, their salaries to be increased on' account of the increase of duty, but all-these plans were afterwards abandoned, and it, now became his duty to explain the measure which . he. proposed for the • accomplishment of the same object. It was entirely different from any which he had 'stated. It retained the ancient' institution of the COunty . Courts, and gave no-power of appointment to the Crown or the Lord Lieutenants. It enlarged, however, the amount to be recovered in the County COurtitTroin forty shillings to.ten pounds; .and, by details, admirably adapted for the purposes in view, placed County Courts in 'Condi-' thin to allow justice to •be done 'to the debtor as wellas to the creditor. The Bill . made no alteratinn in the proceedings of the County Courts, which are all of a ,very simple nature. It, gives the plaints as well as the answers,. and establisbes the amount of the fees to be taken in the cause. It enables Magistrates to divide large counties into districts—appoints the times' when 'Courts'are 'periodi cally to be held—and compete the Sheriff of the County, tci• givedue notice of the time when they are-so to be held...a. The trial is in all cases. to be by Jury. The' .Turies to 'be chosen from the same class of men its those called Ilion to serve 'upon Juries in eases at Nisi Prior, no appeal lying - to the decision lave by a motion to the same Court for -a new trial; and the remedy in all cases to be,' not against the person but the goods of the debtor ; that remedy being not only against the goods_ of the debtor in the eounty or district where the cause is tried, but also against his goods in any part of England.,-(Hear.)—Noremedy was, how ever, lie repeated, to be had, in any case, against the person. These Were the outlines of the Bill ; but he felt .conAdent that its clauses would be found 'adequate to the object they had in view; and to thembe would 'now refer those Hon. 'Members who took an interest in the question. He did not anticipate opposition tp any part of the Bill, unless there might be corns objection made to the clause fur giving compensation to persons interested in fees.—: He felt bound, however, to say, that he could not' pro-. pose the Bill to the House, nor engage to carry it thiOugh its stages, unless compensation was granted to those who posesseil 'vested interests in • their offices. He re gretted that offices of 4 nature 'opposed to improverrint3 in legislation should he ii;t existence, Provision had. been made by Parliament .for their gradual dissolution ; but he felt still that compensation was due to those who possessed by. purchase any Patent'offlce affected is its in terests by the Bill. That compensation, however, could only be extended, ofcourse, to the life of the possessor, and. for his strictly legal I . :vs.-no compensation being in any case allowed for loss of practice. . Repeating his determine t:on not to proceed with the Bill unless the CoMpensation Clause was allowed to stand, the Right Hon. Gentleman concladed by xnoving for leave to bring in a Bill for the more effectual roomy of Small Debts in England and Wales, and for extending the jorfediction of the County Chmirts thereof. MIME expressed his gratification to hear such a declaration from the Right lion. Gentleman, ea that the remedy for debts of ten pounds should be always against the *goods of the debtor. If, however, that principal was good in this case, it was good to any extent, and he hoped t 6 hear the Right Hon. Gentleman allow of its admission to debts of a muds larger amount. The Solicitor-General hint brought in a Bill altering the amount of arrest on means process from ten pounds to twenty, but with very little benefit ; and he now.strongly recommended the sub ject to the Rig,fit 'Hon. Gentleman's consideration. The Hon. Measlier concluded by asking the-Right Hon. Gen tleman whether the subject of the arrest upon mesne process was to be submitted to the Committee appointed to inquire into the state of the Law ? • Mr. Seeretary PEEL replied, that one dale Comtnii sions was appointed to inquire . into the practice and Pro tvedings of the Superior Courts, of Common Law; and the other to inquire into the state and practice of the LaWs re lating to real property. 'He did not think, therefore, that the policy of arrest upon toesne process could be very pro perly referred to either of those Committees. Mr. HARVEY thought, that sinless the principle of the Right Hon. Gentleman was carried farther than he pr(i posed -1)y the present Bill, its provisions would do little more than increase the expenses so properly Minded to in his Opening addirese to the : House. After expressing t hope ;that the Sub-sheriffs, woo were, as he understood the Right Hon. Gentleman, to be the Judges of the Court s would beheld properly responsible, the. Hon, Member sug gested the , propriety of allowing a marshalling of the ver dict, so as to allow of payments by instalments, and prevent .the issuing of ruinous execution.. Mr. CHARLES WOOD . suggested the propriety of in troducing a clause to, regulate the application of the fees, as he was convinced, from the nature of the Bill, that the in creased business of the Court would soon render those f ee s rely large." Mr: jaterroen WOOD expressed his acknowledgment to the 11Jght Lion. Gentleman (Mr. Peel) for the very use ful - measure, just intrpilneed. He 'Could bear testimony to -the extent of the benefits which would be rendered by 40aBill, from his knowledge of the number of p e e'. sons-three hundred—which : bad been resewd from' itn prisoriecee.,at by the Society, for the Relief of Small Debts. Moat of these persons were, confined for sums to the amount of V. 145., and many for sums so IoW as 30e. and 205.--(Hear, bear.)—lt was a great hardship on the citizens of London, that they should be obliged to defray the eliarge' of 'maintenance of persons for such sums as these. For a debt Of 5/. debtors were liable to an impri sonneent . of S hundred days.—(Hear, hear.)—He con- . - sidered that the iropckcpment of debtors for small debts was one of the principal causes of the increase of crime. The Worthy Alderman expressed a wish gist the Bill might ex tend to debts of 201., instead of being limitzd to 10/. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that his object was to adopt ... the f4a:.plest and least expensive mode fot the recovery of small debts. ,;,stead of the circuitous proceeding by in, formation, lie proposed Alkat..it would be sufficient for A to swear th a t B owed him a certain sum for goods sold and t iverad. As to the raisin. of the ;am to ttyenty pounds, A 144 might he d one afterwards. The Right ri.Q..peptle man p.'ceeded to state, that he would approve of a poilrer , b be y m in g 4 v ta e t t e i n f i n ., .th 4 eC our t, of ordering small stuns to he paid tion to pay the debet;T-atrirethewas,4V t d or en l c l ' a o g f o a c fii i i n r d d u i s s t p r o io s t i i : s . e the llat it ac a te ili r fr . g ;i tru s u t, nz . . fiNl:eist,lire}:sipebct tothofee3 ; with ;he :,:ception of unwilling ti I n i l e ewnaso d ttu i o d al Init n y,a o vr t a k lyn n ey o r w doifs a: i nre l.i t.tr il ie f at 1 -r o LA r O of x, ;s 'll l ; I :i i i n:t t i:i .fees fixed:by the Acp ; no objection, how ever, that they should he di pa k r i l ag , i n ia _i v F or order wh*eve.- in any cases in which, they could be consistently red ,; ( , e ' d. .." 44 fixed the lie „ls.'s fre for any rule, judgment, lOW .I'ge o f 19. The Right Hon. Gentleman r • " au urther stated that it was intendeal to divide the larve ose oe fvilit f , r counties into dis at the prevention icr i lrieti, for the MP , a ing t h e d . Ile execution of e xpressed Ids eo.nylctie, a +1 the provisions of the pill.. • . • . .44t the Bill powerfully to ,the 've bene would r; h6e.prLoAdrive of extensive _Ct to. t h e • , crime. There might be many who would wi,ll to go .t classes, and would operOP little further than the EigAt Zion. Gentiemaji (mr• Peel), he thought the Right lion. peptiemp v. Proceeding s in a safe and steady eourse; and if he wonld paliloA the homeliness of the allusion, he IC'ould" say to his friend s on his own side of the House, 0 po n o ride 3 willing horse to death."—{Hear, and a laugh.) Leave was then granted to bring in-the 13 11 4 , - • ~-. POOR LAWS, Mr. SLANEY, pursuant to notice, :loved for the ap pointment of. a Select Committee, to consider that part of the Poor Laws relating to the employment and relief of able-bodied persons from the Poor Rates, and the abuiis arising therefrom. The appointment of this Ceomo34tee . 111 , t`'. was peculia►ly desired, froin a consideration of the degra dation of the poorer classes in the Southern Counties of England, which present a contrast to their condition in the Northern Counties. Arran instance of this, he would state that in CuMberland, where the evils which it was the object of the proposed Committee to remedy did not pre vail, the poor rate was not more than one shilling a n d sixpence; whereas, in Sussex, Whei'e "the description of abuses which it was the object. of his motion to correct, prevailed, the poOr rate was 7s. 6'd. In . the pound, on .the whole rack rent of the county. But, taking a more comprehensive ground of . cOnipariatin—;taking, for: in stance; eight counties in 'which the abtres were to he found, and eight counties which were exempt from thein,:it would be seen that where the latter paid 750,9004 blioor rates, the former paid double that account ; and thiS cal culation was founded on two di4tricts were the population was equal, or nearly `so: 'He would only further remark, that, on a calculation made as to the increase in the num. ber of ,persons in . England and Wales receiving relief from the Poor Rates, it appeared that in 1800 the proportion was one in nine; and that in 1826, ,by the Returns, the proportion was ofie - in seven. That the employment and relief of able-bodied men from the poor, and the abuse arising therefrom was one Principal cause of that increase, appeared ,from the Reports of. five Committees"of that House—from the Report of a•Committee that 'oat in 1807. the. Committee on Labourers' Wages that sat inllBl9 —of the Committee on Emigration in 1826—and'id the Committee on Criminal Commitments in 1827. On the these• grounds be rested the motion. The motion was agreed to, and a Select Committee appointed for the purposes therein stated. PENSIONS' ACT AMENWIENT BILL_pRO I_ SION FOR MR, CANNING'S -FAMILY. 'Mr. HUME said iliat_since the night • on which' that grant was first proposed, he had been furnished with an additional ground of objection to it. That objection was founded on the resistance_ given to a motion made by .him for the production of the amount and appropriation of the ninsions on the Civil List. It was well known that there Were large sums, to the extent of 200,001. at the disposal of the Crown', for •.the.reward of meritorious persons; or: their families. He owned, that in moving flir the account that would point out to the House the appropriation gibe sums on the English Pension List, he was desirous ;to as certain if the grant to Mr. Canning's family might not be made from. that Fund, if the Honse 'should think proper to make such : a grant. He was still of. opinion, that,. the [louse should be put in Possession of the state of that Fund. Several annuities of 1,208/.- a-year were settled upon it, and he saw no - reason why the present grant should not he fixed upon it, if it were in a situation to bear it. Sinee that most extraardiniry decision of the House—tbe refusal' of his motion—there had- been various rumours of the misap-'. proptiation of that Fund, to which he could not farther ad vert, than to observe, that such misappropriation - was an ad ditional reason for showing' the propriety 'and necessity of the House inquiring into it. • Now, with reepect to the grant itself, he dis Claimed any disrespect on his part to the 'private character and . conduk of Can nine.. All that he had heard lion that subject was highly creditable to . his memory. But when this grant of a provision for his family was required to mark the `approbation of his whole conduet--when. it was spurned even on the plea of liberality, and called for as a re ward of Mr. Canning's services, as a patriot . and a friend of his country—he (Mr. H.) could not aPprove of it. Upon these grounds he would oppose•the grant, and move as an amendment—" That this Report be received this day three months.". •• . Mr. MONCK not only disapproved of the present grant, but' also of the precedent on which it was founded. He thought the precedent of a 'grant tO Lord Chatham's family was a bad one. That grant been agreed to, he believed, unanimously in the House of Com mons, but in the House of Lords there were many dissen tients to it. In the Protest of the dissentients to s it two grounds of objection were. taken : the first was an objec- . tron,on the score of economy,and. the finances of the • coon try ; now he did not see anything more prosperouS in the present financial • prospect4.of the country thiin existed at that time which should not give - at least equal validity to that objection now.—(Hear, hear, from Mr. Hume:). The other objection . was one of a constitutional` nature, and one' to.which he,was disposed to attach more weight-it 'was an objection arising - from 'the jealousy and apprehension that that grant (to. Lord Chatham) would be, made a pre cedent for passing more votes of a similar kind, and per- Veiling them to purposes of party and of faction. • Alio ther ground of objection with him to votes of this kind was; that they proceeded on a wrong assumption: was assumed in • them, that all the services deserving post= burnous honours were . only 'performed by persons sitting on the Ministerial side of the House. He could'mot admit this assumption. Many distinguished men had rendered eminent services on the side of the House on which he sat ; many treat men had wasted their lives in opposition laughter)—men who might have enjoyed the emoluments and-advailtages of 'offiees, but who declined Office because they could not accept it conscientiously. Yet he did not find any proposal made for posthumous .honours or rewards to such men. He complained that there was' no reciprocity in votes of this kind.—(A slight laugh.) Another objection which weighed with him was, that he thought rewards of this nature ought to be confined •to nav4l and military services, and should not be extended - to civil services. • • • , .Sir J. NEWPORT, looking to the latter years of Mr, Canning's public life, considered that Mr. Canning - bad established sp large a debt of gratitude from this country, and only from this country but from the whole of lized Europe, that he should be wanting to himself, and to a due sense of his duty, if he did not support, as lie. most cordially did, the present grant of his (Hear, hear.)—lt was • a claiin for services upon the country, which the country ought to discharge.--(Hear.) —To Mr. Canning was this Country indebted for having separated and dissociated • her from the abominable Holy Alliance, raised in opposition to all liberal institutions throughout Europe. For the services which lie rendered to the cause of freedom in subduing the baneful influence of that Alliance on the Continent, a large debt of gratitude was due to Mr. Canning.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—Again; lie supported: this grant on the ground of his : bold and judicious recognition of the free republics of South America.,,(flear, hear.)—As to the motion of his lion. Friend (Mr. Hume) on a fortner night,. for the prodliction of the Pension List, if he had been present on that occasiOn, he would have soPported the motion.. But that was not the question now.-(Loud cries of hear, hear.)—That question had to be decided on its own merits, apart from the present grant. lie Supported 'that grant as a posthu mous honour dme to the memory of a great statesman, Who devoted his eminent talents to the service of hii coontti; and who, in his devotion to that service,. was 'deprived of ..the opportunity and means of shaking anindequate sion for his family. The claim of Mr. Canning on the nation's gratitude he believed to be recognized by the nation; and he considered the present grant as - a proper and reasonable retribugon for his public services. He should therefore oppose the Atnendment, and vote for the original motion. Colonel SIBTHORPE opposed the grant. _ _ Mr. V.ESEY FITZGE - IiALD Perfectly agreed with the corieindipg sentence of his Right Hon. Friend, when lie proposed this gra4t ; namely, that no matt who knew and admired Mr. Canning's public character, but should rote for the proposition, even . if decidedly opposed to Win in politics. For hiniself,'he had too long concurred with Mr. Canning in his political opinions—be had too long been an bumble member of the same Government, to let it be doubted that. his opinions op all the great questions of foreign and domestic ' policy were the came as hip. Mr. Canning's opinions were, in fact,' the same as those of the Right Hon. and Hon. Gentlemen among whom b e (Mr. Fitzgerald) was then sitting. If, therefore, he. did not rest pia support to the motion on that"ground, it was b ec ause he was desirosos 'tiiia - nimity. With Out any reference to political opinions, there had u:',do:4lgedly been public:_ ser vices performed by Mr. Canning—there bid been ap RP t ; ;;!* abrogation of self-interest manifested by him, which en titled his familyto call upon the public for aid.; .and the very oall way in itself an additional honour to his character. The proposition was pot .;;celi as to warrant the imputation that the interests of ptailie economy .werc digerardeq.-- The Hon. Member for Reading wished the House would return to the wholesome practice of the' Constitution' at periods when pensions Were granted only for naval and ;,liljtary services. God forbid that tngland—a country of tree institution; --a country distinguished by civil virtues , --:aboold be so degrades that naval and military services alone should be regarded, and that important civil services should pass unrewarded: . Such a doctrine might, perhaK, be held in Places where no services were estimated but those .4f Pr • military riattire ; but lie did not expect to bear it maintained witbin‘trfe ways pf the Douse of Commons of England-- , -of a gime which had so freveptly .witTfesrped .Mr. C anning's dietinguislied eTertions. As to ,thefear that the present .proposition might he brought in future as t! precedent and eximple by a faction or a party, it appeare*l to him to be 4.1101iy groodiess, lie did not conceive that any similar proposition ever be spade pq party ground'', If it -were, he thelight it would be easy . to anticir. pate how it would be dealt with by Parliament. The present proposition emanated from those 'who had long an bP 7 . ‘l 3, ll l o r. , although Cing's separated c°iiaglkel f ; ro ' m Yho hi w in er b e y ili c s irru ce m e srafroi ; during the latter part of his public life, were most aoxioua to do justice to his character ? and to make that provisiola for his family, to which they were in every point of view: entitled. Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH next rose, and spoke to the following effect :—Sir, I feel that I should be guilty of a great neglect of duty, if, not having addressed the House upon this subject on any former occasion, I were not to avail myself of this, 'my last opportunity, to justify the vote which I intend to give ; and in so doing to express my dissent from some of the maxims which ive have heard, maxims subversive of the whole of that system of national rewarcts which forms -one of the best parts of the policy of a poWerful, a civilized, and above all, a free State. In so thimg, Sir, I should, have been exceedingly desirous to re commend a 'cairn tone of discussion —a' 'tone calculated to appease, and noeto excite, those angry feelings, which are so peculiarly'unSititable to the consideration of such a sub ject as thatupon which .we. are now called upon to decide. My Right Hon. Friend, however, who has just spoken, has too well performed, that office to render it necessary for me to do any thing, except to endeavour to prevent a recur rence of any undue warmth by my own example, and by the nature of the topics to which I shall advert. Sir, the only ground on which I intend to justify my opinion on this question, and the vote which,.if it be brought to a division, I shall give upon it, is—that every man in the House, whatever may have been his political differences from Mr. Canning, who believes that this country still possesses the means of shewing honour to an illustrious" and departed Statesman, by making a moderate provision for big family, is bound to support the present Bill—(Hear, hear, hear.) —That proposition, comprehends the justification of the vote, which, if . lam called upon to give it, I shall give 'more heartily than I ever gaVe a vote upon any question whatever. But, Sir, lam desirous of.stating a little more explicitly the general principle on which, in my apprehen sion_, honours such as these sot merely may be granted, but on which alone they can justly - be granted. They can be justly granted only when they have reference to a man inhonourable public employment, and of splendid and 'dis tinguished endowments, when he has filled a station high enough, and for a time long enough, to enable the public ,to judge 'of his commanding talents and of the purity of his motives. Whenever that has been the character and posi tion of a public' man,' and when, after his decease, his family arc in circumstances to ,require 'assistance, that as sistance (malt not to be, withheld. All who agree in the soundne.si of this maxim—that is, all who agree with what has been the invariable practice of all great and civilized nations—must vote for the present proposition:. - for let us consider what would be the consequence if this maxim Were not received. If I am, justified in objecting to any , such proposition as the present, on the ground that I dif fered in political opinion from the individual who is the ob ject of it, it follows that no national honours can at any time be paid to a distinguished Statesman in this country. In every country, more or less, but in this country especi ally—where, as ive all know, party. is sometimes carried to a foolish excess—it is absolutely impossible that any man can pass a long public life, without supporting or opposing many measures, on which .there exists the greatest differ ence- of opinion. The nature of our Constitiition forbids the possibility of such an occurrence. If, therefore, a una nimous or a general concurrence in the opinions of any pUblic man during a period of thirty or forty years is to be considered necessary, - in order to justify a proposition sedi as the present, it clearly follows that no national honour, or reward can ever be conferred on any public man whatever. A victorious faction, indeed, may grant honours and rewards to its chief; but national honours and rewards can never more' be conferred on meritorious public servants. It would be worse than folly to render such questions the subjects of factious contest. Sir, no per son can approach the contemplation. of ' departed talents, and 'genius, and virtue, without feeling that they are entitled to the reverence of every good mind. lam persuaded that such is . the sentiment of every Hon. Member, who now hears me ;. and that whatever warm words may have fallen from different individuals with respect to this sub ject, those words are far' from representing a settled and permanent feeling. We have been told by the Hon. Mem berfor Reading, that he is desirous 'of recalling those times when national honours were paid only to the profession of arms. Sir, I should have thought that such an objection as that had been sufficiently.refuted' in the first debate in this House upon the subject, by the eloquence and by the example Of the Hon. and Gallant Officer who ii the Com mander-in-Chief of his Majesty's troops' in Ireland ; and • who is not, more distinguished as an ornament of the pro fession to which he belongs, than he is by the manner in which he discharges his duties in this House. - That Hon. and Gallant Officer, in a manner which did him infinite credit, rejected the barbaric principle of confining national honours to the achieveMents of war—of war, in which' it IS very possible that barbarians may be able to cope with us—and declared that it would rob the rewards of valour Of half their value, if in such rewards the talents and the virtues of civil life were not allowed to participate. That Hon. and Gallant Officer, as eminent for the qualities which he manifested in peace as he was for his exploits in I war, rejected with disdain a monopoly which he considered injUriouito his own profession. But, Sir, it has been said that if indtimis such as that now before us were not acceded to, it would not thence follow that no honours or rewards would be Conferred on Statesmen. True; those honours would be con ferred by the Crown; those rewards would be conferred by the Crown. The means of wealth are always opened to a Statesthan by the Crown, and if such a Bill as that.on 'the Table, is to be rejected,. he. will - be taught to avail himself of them.--(Hear, hear, hear.)—All that the Amendment proposed by the Hon. Member for Aberdeen can do is, not.to • take away the means of rewarding our great 'Statesmen, but to deprive both Houses of Parliament of one of - their most valuable privileges—the power of con ferring rewards and honours on those, or on the families of those, whose splendid and illustrious talents and . virtues commanded the admiration of the world.-:--(Hear, hear.) —Shall I be told, Sir, that because at a former period I differed from Mr. Canning on political subjects; that my present sentiments are inconsistent with that difference? Sir, it is enough for me.that he was a man of honour, as every one Knocvs . him to have been ; that he wa.s a man of splendid talents, as every one knows him to have been ; that lie was a man whose genius exercised a powerful influence throughout Europe, and gave additional dignity and charac ter to this country, as every one knows that it did. By the high qualities which he manifested, he rendered his public career illustrious. Sir, I will refer to an observa tion of I3olingbroke's,, made in a much more chivalrous Spirit than some of the remarks which I have lately listened to in this House. . Being asked his opinion of the Duke of Marlborthigh, with whom he had long had a fierce political contest, .his. answer was, " he was so great a man that I have forgotten his faults."—(Hear, bear.)—Something - has been said of the vote of this House, after the death of Lord Chatham. Lord North happened to be absent at the time . whetr that vote was. proposed. Ho returned to the House in a hurry ; .and immediately after having taken, Ilia seat, rose to.expresa,the happiness he felt in being in time to share in the honour of supporting the Motion. Letany dis passionate person read that part of our history : let him read it with a freedom from all bias and preiuilice, and I will then ask hiM if lie does not love the memory of that amiable man the more for the generous course which he pursued on that occasion ? Sir, a great mistake appears to exist with respect to the vote to which I have just adverted. The Hon. Member for Reading enjoys the distinction of being the only man who has censured it: Since the period of its occurrence no other human creature has condemned it, or has spoken of it in any but terms of the highest ap probation. The cireumstanees pf the case are sometimes forgot. We are apt to suppose, that it was Lord Chatham at the end of the seven years' war. But what is the fact? That previously to this vote, Lord Chatham had for eight years been engaged in.a personal and most acrimonious op position to qoverninept—se acrimonious that the compara tively lukewarm politicians of the present day mould take -fright at the language in which he occasionally indulged. If any one had said. to .Lord North, "What ! will you 'grant these bononrs to the memory of a man whir has so virulently and so pertinaciously -attacked you —who has charged you with folly and imbecility—who has. ed his Majesty's subjects to rehellion 7 - 7 wlin has rejoiced at the resistance of America to your measures - who prophecied the impracticability -of subduing three mil- 7 lionsof people ?" Lord North - might haVe justly answer ed, I do not vote th us in consequence of these expreseiens, but in spite of them ; vote thus because Lord r hathani was an. illustrious m an , w h o . did honour to his 'country' ; I vote thus, on the principle that if such a vote be not ac ceded' to, we can never pay a mar k o f nat i ona l respec t to the memory of a great public man."—(Hear, hear.) Sir, I will say nothing. of the cases of Mr. pitt and Mr: except that I believe the votes - in those cases were unanimous in both Houses of Parliament. And if the Hon. Member for Reeding will read' the Protest 'to which he hai alluded, he wi).l find that it is not signed by those whom he would ivish quote as authoriOrh ut hold 19 as ex‘riPle• Tie will notlnd attached to it the names of Camden - apd.' Riebinend ; ram Wl:a zealously employed themselves, in the fortheranee of the measure in questi on ; honouring the ma n to whom they bad nevertheless been warmly opposed. Sir, it appears to TN 11 . 1 a. the only grow' on thie vote ought to rest, is that which have described ; name l y , a e , w ietiou on our part o f pu rity of motive, of superiortalent , uatio4 for talen, .exerted in a high si a time sufficiently long, to enable the public to give that sanction to the proposed honours, without which air honours are valueless. Cllo those gruuuds I rest my vote. I will not say that those who vote for the Bill may not have lawful auxiliary motives, Private friendship, •I, ~ s ... . .... • , - , ~, , for instance, would be a lawful auxiliary motive, although it would not be a just ground on which to rest the vote. Such a motive might sweeten the performance of that which duty would 'otherwise prescribe. On the other hand, however, personal enmity or resentment would not be a lawful auxiliary to.. an opposition to ground the mo tion. For our feelings may. be allowed to . aid us in the discharge of our duties; hitt 'ought not to be allowed to impede us. Feelings of kindness may be tolerated, even if exceAsive ; bud feelings of a contrary character ought to la/Closely w a tched, and ought never to bepermitted to ' • in terpose and prevent us froth rendering honours to those to whotu honours are due. The more especially should that be the rule when such honours are posthumous:— _ _ " Mors. ()bruit iras." I do not charge—God forbid that I should charge—any One with entertaining feelings of this abhorrent nature. 'I have merely stated that which I have stated, in illustration Of what lam going further to state. I say then, that ap probation Of the measures of a great statesman, is a lawful auxiliary to the motives of such a vote as the present ; but that disapprobation of those measures would not be a law ful auxiliary to an opposition to that vote. If it were not so, the result would ba monstrous. If it were not so, we could not have had such a vote as the. present for the,last century. The same reasons apply to this view of the case as tothat which I have just before taken. We must lay out or:our account differences of political opinion; if we admit that posthumous honours of any description ought to be conferred on eminent public men. Public re sentment ought no more to influenceus on such an occasion than private enmity. I think, therefore, that my Hon. Friend was quite right, who stated his approbation of one part of Mr. Canning's political conduct as auxiliary to his motives for voting for the Bill ; but I should not consider any Hon. Gentleman right who shoulditate that his dis approbation of any part of Mr. Canning's 'political con duct was auxiliary to his motives for opposing the Bill.— There is no inconsistency—no incongruity in this. Our opinion is required, not on the expediency .of this or that political measure, but en the value of great talent, ho nestly exerted for the benefit of the country. Sir, I might enter much more largely into this subject ; but I will- ab stain from doing so. I•will only allude to what a great Poet has said of two Statesmen, who in their, day opposed each other with the firmest determination. The state he observes-- . " Carteret's calm mind, and Stanhope'inOble fame Adnair'd ; and saw their generous end the same." • Nor will a great Poet of our own time be charged with' being lukewarm in his political feelings,' because, when speaking of the neighbouring graves of the two . greatest Statesmen of modern dap, be says:— " Drop upon Fox's tomb a tear, 'Twill trickle to his rival's bier." - I mention these circumstances as proofs of the unsophisti cated feeling and common sense of mankind on this sub ject ; for to those feelings and to that sense will every great and successful poet be found to have addressed himself. Sir, with regard to myself, I cart most conscientiously declare, "that if the same question had arisen in 1821, I should have given the same vote upon it that I shall give this night.— (Hear, hear, hear.)—That vote would have been as satis factory to my conscience, although it might not have been so gratifying to my feelings as a public man. But I will abstain from further remarks, not only out of respect to those Hon. Members who differ from me on this subject, but also out of respect to the memory of Mr. Canning him self; whose immortal name is already under the guardian ship of the historian.. For above six-and-thirty years I had the happiness of knowing 'that great man ; who always, treated me both here'and elsewhere with the kindness of a . . friend. His friendship was the' only favour I' ever re ceived from him ; but it was the'greatest he could bestow. —(Hear, hear.) . Mr. COURTENAY said that considering the situation in which be stood with reference to Mr. Canning, he might be allowed to explain why he supported the grant.. : . Very far from being disinclined to urge - his private friendship with Mr.. Canning, he was very proud to avow, not only friendship, but gratitude towards him . ; and if he . failed to express the • circumstances of his connexion' with that great person, it was from no insensibility to the greatness of his mind, or to the kindness of his heart. lt was to particular circumstances, known -to all whom he addressed, to which he alluded, but beinghim self mixed up with them, was the chief reason why he did not detail them at the present moment. AS to the eco nomy, on which the Hon. Member for Reeding had . dwelt, he should say that. the argument was whimsical and. ab surd. The nation had within fifteen years sent hack to the people 30,000,000 of taxes, and that it should not now he able to pay 3,0001. a-year in reward of public services, was a position certainly of a most extraordinary nature, even were the 3,000/. to be raised by an additional. burthen to the country, instead of being taken from a fund to be appropriated by the Crown. it had been argued that the grant Tight be . a precedent for other grants to be voted from party feelings ; but it must be recollected' that the present proposal proceeded from a Minister who was coin, pelted to retire from Mr. Canning's accession to (Ate.. If ever there was a case uninfluenced by party feeling, it Was the present. The Hon. Member for Reading had referred to the period_ when none but naval and sailitarY 'services were rewarded, but at what time was this the practice of their ancestors? Was it not some ;00 years ago, when there were no .civil services at all, and When nothing but military merit. was known.. Let Gentlemen look at the Peerage and ,see how many of the Bea& of the first families had been raised by their. civil services. He would ask any person who thought it right and consistent with the spirit of the Constitution that Commoners should -be raised to the dignity - of the Peerage, whether Mr. Canning, by great. talents and useful services to the - Crown and public, 'had not entitled himself to `= this distinction ? Lie would not draw any comparison between the services of Mr. Canning and the Duke of Wellington, hut he would ask whether the services of Mr. Canning hail not been equal to' the services of those pnblie characters on whom pensions of three thousand 'a year for three lives had been conferred? The Hon. and Learned Gentleman who had just spoken, had with justice stated the various grounds 'on 'which it was possible to support this grant ; and taking the whole of Mr. Canning's life, he (Mr. Courtenay) should say, that the only exception was when Mr. Can ning had lent' himself to the views of the Hon. Member for Dorsetshire, and- therefore he was the more surprised at that lion. Member's Opposition to the grant.—(A laugh.)—He would maintain, that in the latter, part of Mr. Canning's life there was no deviation from principle, and in every point of view he should support the grant. Mr. DANIEL WHITTLE HARVEY said that, ac cording to the arguments used on the present occasion, he could not-see on what ground any Member could withhold: his sanction from the. present grant, or from any other that could be proposed. It would seem that the House was to grant this sum not on the grounds of services rendered to the country ; that they were not to call to their recollec to' be dismissed f r O m ,the happiness and prosperity of the nation, nor the politi caltion the nature of those services, a nt n h e e c i te r d influence vith the up ili o s n . career which had, and long would have, such an im portant influence upon every thing connected theirtr. y of minds, the a a o n u d n t t r y h e -all this )louse cir cumstance that Mr. Canning' was en do wed with Unri valled talents. If this alone were the g r ound on which the vote NM to be sanctioned, he might congratulate the country that many years Might pa ss before another such appeal could 'be made to the House. It did appear 'to him, that a - person. of compara ti vely - humble talents to t w s w as ' 's to consider only the those of Mr. Canning; might so direct those talents, with singleness of heart and genuineness of porpose, as .to raise to himself honours not less solid than those which the admirers of Mr. Canning's policy think he has a right to claim of his country. lie ceuld not dismiss from his. mina an hnpression of Mr. Canning's policy, which would prevent him coming to the conclusion that his public ser vices were entitled to the grant proposed. He could not forget Mr. Canning's uniform and bitter hOstility to every thing really connected with the ; .nierests of . the country. No man ever directed the stre.am of hi s i n i m it a ble cloven re r invariably in derision of all popular rights as Yr. Can, ning. He could not forget, nor would the . corptry easily forget, the savage brutality with tvt,i7.l he spoke of the Manchester massaqe, not that with which he turned the pltrif,al sufferings of a poor fellow-citizen into an object of deiision. When-he heard of such extreme disregard c,f ail pecuniary considerations, he could not forged the arrange ment by which Mr. Canning Won! to be transported to Lisbon, at an expenr4e of 10,00 . 01 . . a year to the people. if Ministers were so strongly impressed with the great and splendid services of Mr. Canning, why did, they snfccr she Session to tioger nearly to its termination wkthont expier ing t6ir intention of conferring thi.i pension? lie was in clined to think that the measure had been coerced upon them' kk , the notice of a MOtion given in that H o use. 4q other thing occurred to his mind, which would ineaee him to Withhold his sanction to the grant; - Ao mau - regretted more than he did, that pnweby which he (M r . C ann i ng) disarmed one of the greatest Oppositions that ever sat ap on the lgt of the House. He enticel over the whole Op p° . • siiion of England, with one exceptwn,i and led them abandonment of their principles- (Cheers.) He stover could f rget tilt) lectures be read t hem, whe n surrottuded by the wt, rle Whig Aristocracy of En g land. He laid down to the the Catechism by which he regulated the political terms on which they came te, support him,--unceasing, uncompromising enmity to Reform, and opposition to the repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts. God forbid he 5 ,4 0 01 ent,ertaM any feTional hostility tQ Ur. Canning's NV >~~ i r'7i,lY lir 'in i Memory ; but , when called upon to vote, as a RepreSen ta " tive of the People; he should' not withhold his opposid o3 to the grant. Dr. PHILLIMORE was astonished when the fle °. Member commenced his speech, "itt, the most extraoriliai l '; manner in which he appeared to h ave m i su nd ers t oo d sc 4 '; had fillen from the Hon. and Lear ne d Al em b e r w ho h i ': preceded him ; hitt in the course of the Hon. Mein observations; the motivesof his misconceptions appev s j but . toOeVident. No wish had been expre sse d to. ..Wi t ."' draw the mind from any historical or personal .recollectu gi of Mr. Canning ; but the Hon. • AlembersforColchot i ‘ wished to rake up tke whole life of the deceased, and select those topics most calculated to produce ittitatioa that House. They were called upon to vote a pat )i ` grant to the family of an individual of great and meritar!' OUS public services, who, froM the' earliest period of bl life, had devoted himself to 'the service' of his country, who, in spite of what had fallen . from the last speaker, 1 ° held out to the country an example of disinterested del: tion to its benefit. On the ground of economy, urged tlie the Hon. Member for Aberdeen, he should s upport vote, for it was the best economy to interest persons of 0 " lents in the'puhlic service: It was not the love of more, it was no such mean and sordid passion that bad excitk mind and spirit like that of Mr. Canaing.--% ' " Fame is the spur which the pure soul (loth raise, To spurn delights, and live laborious days. 7• He believed that the British House of CommcinS-wat V i only spot where any could be brought to doubt the duty the country to snake this vote to Mr. Canning's fatal He thought the votes to Lord Chatham, Mr. Pittra Mr. Perceval, niggardly ; and in his bPinion Mr. Cannin.i was one of the greatest Statesmen and orators, and a 1 1 : 4 of the most cultivated mind, that this country had produ for Many years. He trusted that the House felt that $' 'Canning .was a person devoted to his country, and toss they ought not to grudge *family the reward now claim" ed at their hands. 0 position to GEORGEto the vote t MURRAY I had beenvsnairidnuths_at various—but g t e r ro epl u y n ing ds to ol* 0 1:i 1 he would ask, what danger was there of hiving a n umb; of persons.who Could apply to public gratitude for el ll services, or on the grounds of -talents so distinguisho . ,,, The Members werenot the representatives of:it penuriT, race, but of a magnanimous and . generous people.. I. P . vote would be eminently useful to the country, by s tioso,' Wing the youth of the present day to discipline tht talents in the service of their , country. If an y g roalw i i . existed to induce him to wish that the opposition. shoo not be withdrawn, and that it should be pressed to a sion, it would be the opportunity thereby afforded of ," fering to Mr. Canning's memory one species-. of honour" the honour of a tribute withheld—often. greater thsti , ..,,• tribute bestoWed. The Hon. ; Member for. Colchester tiff] have had in his recollectiOn a passage of a Roman historlai" . in which he gave the account of the funeral. of, the .widn of Cassius.' At that ceremony were borne the image* '' great and distinguished men in honour of the decease' Two alone were absent—the imagesof Cassius and Brut° and the public thought that the not suffering of these. tot e i borne at the : funeral was a greater honour to the decea than the presence of all the'rest, .. • _ A Mr. LIDDELL said, that'svith reference to what to: fallen from the Hon. Member for Colchester, with respo' to the Manchester massacre, if. any,rnan considerersl - tb e t history of that time, Mr. Canning's 'sp e ech or condo', would not justify the terms' that the Hon, Member is used. 'On the other occasion (that of Ogden) Mr. Canni l3 ,! had used 'some words indiscreetly, which he afterwar d ' regretted, but they were extorted from him by the claaiel in which 'evidence on that occasion had been pervertekin falsified. The vote was called for not on the grounds•:, Mr. Canning's talents, b u t th a t h e h a d d i vote d ,‘ talents for eight and twentY'years to the 'service of tba country. He was alio a Representative of the People, al l , he should glory in his supporting the present vote. Mr. BATLEY, supported the vote. • , Mr. CUST said, that Mr. Canning had always eg-b, r bited :the irregularity of hi 3 anibition in every Cabinet L ° which he had been connected. The sudden friend:44ll had formed with the Opposition was marked by aifeci, superiority and overbearing conduct, as if every thing 0, %. to be carried by him by force. He bore testimony, h° 4 , o everi-to his talents, and thought the country owed Ii: gratitude for his opposition to Jacobinical principles. was perfectly convinced that the public funds could not rt better bestowed than in rewarding those who devoted tbe i .. lives to the public service. Mr. MAXWELL supported the grant. Mr. F. STEWART expressed his hearty concarreo'c with the proposed grant. • Sir R. FERGUSSON regrettid to observe that ibe r debate was taking a personal character, and on that arca ao .recommended his lion. Friend, who, like him, opposed t motion on constitutional grounds, not to take the sense the House on the present occasion. God - forbid that VI who had never been personal to Mr. Canning, should b e personal now, when he was dead. He opposed the Note Q fj constitutional grounds, and he hoped his Hon. Friend, Member for Aberdeen, would not press 'it to a division. Mr. PAULETT THOMPSON felt himielf called 0° to state on what ground's, shOuld his Hon.„Friend the House, he should vote with him. Having had; ahead/ an opportunity of stating the constitutional grounds of b+' opposition, he was inclined not to oppose' the present Lion,' lest the opposition might appear personal. But ate the speech - of tho- Gallint'Officer opposite, which wita in accordance with his usual good title,' and thieatened those who opposed the grant with the o bloquy not only of the present generation, but of posterity, ' e himself obliged to support his' Hon. Friend's amendment' He thought it was incumbent on all those who opposedtb P grant on constitutional grounds, to show that they acted conscientiously by voting with his Mon Friesid.s - ' He Lad heard the language of the Gallant Officer with 9°- prise and astonishment, particularly whenhe recollecssa b f what Noble Lard the opposition had first been, made. It was not for him to praise that Noble Lord, when the re were so many present so much better qualified than he' but the language applied to the Minority by. the Galt .Officer deserved no other answer" than a re p et i t i on of te vote formerly given. For this reason, contrary't o tension, he should vote for th e amen d ment o f hi s si Friend, if he did not withd raw it, w hi c h b e wou ld at the same time recommend him to do. Sir JAMES SCARLETT had not undenitood F lant Officer to impute .any thing improp er to those ge nt men who had voted against the measur e o n C ons tit u tions grounds. His urbanity recommended him as much to 'friends- at his gallantry made him distinguished let' i t country. He alluded, h e t h ought ,• to thoie Wl4, in-sh e , debate, had raked up all the topics which they could r; sibly collect a ga i nst M r. Canning, and vhf were 73 t every where forgotten, except as dry ere still Made! t j r vehicles f or vu l gar abuse. Giving the Hon . .. Member Colchester all possible credit for his integrity, b e thougl" his speech was in muc h worse taste t han that' of the 68'" lant Qfficer. He did not mean to follow the Bon. g e° ' - ber for, Colchester through a ll hi s remarks, b ut he v 0 ". I say that the more Mr, .Canning's chaSaCter„ public private, was investigated, the brighter and the purer 01).°' it appear. The question had been alitied on Consul" tionat grounds; and the grant oppo se d a s unconst i tut i°lt He thought there was nothing unconst i tut i o n a l i n i"; grant. The Crown had been accustomed to re ward °le a d public services 'in a lib era l manner ;' but Parliament taken away the means, promising when it did take theca_ away tikbe always ready to m ee t th e Wi s he s o f t h e Crovv4 on such a subject. Was it, therefore, uneonst i tut i e nePQ. , POrliament to bestow great rewards 'for splendid 10 1 ''; services? . It was not—there were ma n y ",nets 14 to the 1 ;; . contrary. The rewards b t t owe d L proceedings, doinfgsi:lhaara already been referred t o and he did' 11°lborough were the subject o f a u t of Parliament. The wore modern ext.:l4)le of 000; know , on whet ground the grant was unCOnstitntional."--, He understood the argument of thos e w h o sa id t h a t whe re there had been no services there ou g ht to be no revf ord A .. but he did, nu t understand th e argument of those w ho milted servioes, and yet said it was uncoostitutioosl to reward them. Assuming the services, to reward them was ( vita constitutional. Mr. Canning life had been ., devoted to his country. If, with his grea t talents and commanding genius, be had pursued the P r ': - he contended , tb it .; fe ,i on , he first intended....it he had been called to the , 13a , i ,',1 li e lie would wootould e b y a e v r e d i o llu i s a tr t a h te e d ei t v h il a s t e p " ro i f e v e ss o io f n h , is an co d u li n a tr v ) e ,. o l,ll : to the fortune% of his family, in a far higher d e gree tit team had ever reproached him with having been sirau" P 3 in honour, or fixed a stain on his integrity. His life. ha been devoted and even sacrificed to his public duties.' :- man could d ou b t t h at hi s lif e h a d b een shortene d by o' public services, And was it right for the Mouse to ref its rmteption to that family, which had. been deprived ° J hir.O? At was the duty of the House to protect and resea! re Iticti. • He never gave a vote with more pleasure in bis than his vote in favour of the motion. He concurred the motion most heartily and cordially, and he coneureri in it on constitutional grounds.—(Hear, hear.)—lf diff er ed with Mr. Canni ng more than he did on, P Oh jl questions, he should have given the same vote; but of t, the public men lie ever knew h e diff ere d l eas t front 1 /" Canning on public principles.—(Hear, bear.) The House then divided, when there appeared, For bringing up the Report For Mr. Hume% Amendment Majority The other Orders of the Day were then di s posed of , the House adjourned at Half-put Twelve o'clock. nv Ti*)l toisuitu a 1%1 ,a , - , biv T _~ PRICES OF sank sto c k 3 peqcc ot. 3 per Cent Cons.. Per,Cent... Atto tied ..... . . . . .. 4 per Cen t. Ne% * Ditt6,llBW . ' Bank L, Am . ; '' india St ock . " Ditto B ond ...... ....... PRICts ejp 1 , 013 • Ausvia n Bonds, . 4 3 razilian Bonds; ti 's U A Y T " lan 1, 0 - Ws b tin • B o , ~„_ nd3 lkini ....... la r , ek 12 Per cer ....... . ... ix 1 , 4 , K ...... l'lticzs or Attic) E r :._ ex. 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