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INWERIAL PARLIAMENT. 110 USS OF LOADS, l'ottlavt, Max 28. The Committee of Privileges sat on the Clain) of Mr. Dvmoke to the Barony of Marmyon. Mr. Serjeaut Copley was heard ctn behalf of the claim, ant, And the further enasideration Was postponed tin Tl,aysday se'nnight. The Brandon Peerage was mho _resumed, and the timber consideration, i'rom ttefeet in the evidence, postponed. Mr. 'Poster, from the Liverpool Dock Company, Presettra an Account at Receipts and Disburie tnents-01;iersd 'to lie on the table. The Soap 13 ;II and the, Local Militia Pay and tlothitt . g Bill 'passeti Wrong') Committees, And were reported wit bent aritenihneltt. CIVIL LIST.' .The Civil List Regulation Bill tivo odd hills were brought up from the Cotnifio'ns by Sir 'James Graham, Mr. C. Calvert, General t attip bill , and other Members; and read a first tithe. ,The (101 List Bill was ordered to be printed on the motion of theßart of Liverpool, who laid n the Table an ettimate . of . the charge, Eze.. of the CIVil List, whieli was also ordered 14 be printed, anti rive notice of his Intention to mi ne the second trading of the Rill- on Thursday se'nnight, for Which day the Lords were titdcred to be suur monecl, .Lord tiottotti asked, whether there was any objection to lay on the table and have printed an Arcount of the Omits of Admiralty ? The Earl of Ltvautiont, said, there was no ob jeetion to lay on the.tahle the same Account as had . been presented to Anne !louse of eminnon4, and he undertook it shank) be printed in time for the discussion on the second reading Di the 13111. SILVER COINAGE. The Earl of Lisi T eat , ool, delivered in a message from: the Prince Regent on the .subject of the silxer coinage, which was read by the Lord Chan minor as usual, lantl is tut follows G. 'P. R. " The Prince Regent,' neting in the name and on the be half Of bis'Nfe)eety, having taken into his serious considers piesent defective state and inadequate amount of the 1110 t coin of the realm" and for the purpose of applying an treir4dy to the eril; has given directions for a new and,extenistre s&er coinage; and the Prince Regent relies on tlio concurrence of theHonse .of Lads in such measures us suer be netensery to Eive effect to this impurtaneserOce.'! The Earl of Ltvgapoot, moved, that the Mrs sso be taken into consideration on Thursday next, end that dig Lords be summoned. . l o orglltowAso.volt was desirable that the Uonse Should know vithit the measures wereln which its coht tart:Kee was required. Did the Noble Earl mean tolistlve for a Committee to consider the Object, and report, or to lay any documents on the table, 'or give any information to the House as to the particular., nature of the measures which were in contemplation with respect to this very Important tubject t• • • The Rail of totvs*Poot..-41hongh this is a sub ject' Which belongs peculiarly to the Crown by its pkerogatVve, yet an act of Parliament would b e netemey to Carry into effect certain branches of the measures Which it was proposed to take for the accomplishment of this important object. When the bill for thiciturpose should be brought to their Lordships' honse, it would he his duty'to state the nature of the measures, both those which were tpliu put itr operation by virtue of the royal pre rogative,, and those which it was intended to tokke the subject of an let of Parliament. Lord HOLLAND.—iIis question went to a di fie rent:point. Ile wished to know whether it was the intention of the Noble Earl to propose the appointment of 41 Committee to inquire into the present state of the silver coin, the nature and extent of the evil, and the best mode of applying. the proper remedy ) lie Earl •61 LactillvooL replied, that it was not intended to. propose the Appointment of a Corn- The Message was ordered to be taken into con. sideiaiion on Thursday next, and the Lords to be summoned. T - he St. George the Martyr's Churchyard Hill teas brought up from the Commons, and read a first 111101....-A+ljourtird till Thursday. , iibgsi ofd commoNS. A:ea4nts were I,reseitted 0/ Ptsechial Tithes in Ireland; of Baports. Imports, and.Toostagsvi ofAtfairs of the Liverpool Dock* Petition was presented Nis the Soutbdown Wog'. growers. Slr 11. PARNZLL gave notice of an early motion to allow the tau Export of Wool. Sir it P. 1.4.3, brought up the ILeport of the Dili respecting Children in the Manufactories. A Petition against the new Street was presented from Per sons in Mary-le-hone. MZNDICITY. Mr. Rost brought up the report of the mendi. city committee, and made.vartons observations on the different classes a btsgara, some of whom we t e balm* beggars, and others persons who ware receiving pensions (rout Greenwich and Chelsea. The greatest evil of all was thi number of the children of beggars, and of those hired by beggars. The Cemmittee had etinsidered whether the laws were sufficient to provide a remedy. The nowt particular act On the subject was that of the lid) of George 11. It was desirable to distin. OA between the real mendicants and the im postors. Other Committees were sitting on the police and education of the metropolis, from which advantages were to be expected. He moved that the report should be printed, as it might be considered next session. A Petition %Via presented by Mr. NEVILLE from the victuallers, of Reading against the monopoly of pabliQ bouses.--Ordered to lie on the table. MAP ROUSES. Mr, Rosa obtained leave to bring in a Bill re specting the Regulation of Marl-houses, which he then brought up. It was read a first time, and or dered to be read a second time on Thmsday. Alt. Rosa obierved, that the 13i11 provided for eight Commissioners to inspect Madhouses throughout Efigiand, as it bad been round that the j. wilting this business to the Physicians meiriy was totay inefficient two ',noires in, each di,trict 'firer!. oho to have the - right of tkit• and ell the County Members, Lie believed nc, Diller arranknaut cmild bu House Would be ready to.attemi to all sliggvstiorts Lord 13noti . No said be abool'il bake it lootiort Narly next Seuion f.or \ilaces in Sent. land for tile care of eviosiniti 4oil burl cr lonaties. 117 ifisti LIAEUM • Air. ROSH MOVed (OE a Voiliety r,f acennUts lative to tire Museum ; for particulars of the ex. penditnre, of the number of persons admitted in the last seven years, fur the expence incm red or required for 181 . 6. Ste. The accounts were or dered and presented. PnrrTla gave notice of a motion on Wed nesday se'unight fOr the correspondence between the Irish Government and the Rev. Mr. Hamil ton, a.Tipperary Magiorate. A Petition from the Bristol tanners was refer red to the CoMmirtee on Leather. ASS EsSE MX Es. Lord STortity 1'44.41 • qt question of the Chan cellar of the Exchequer respecting; the enfoice ment of the assessed taxes on warehouses, &c. whim ) had formerly been irwelling-houses. He heard that the Judges had recently determined, under tha Act, that they were ; but he un derstood the Right Halt. Gentleman to say that such was not bis intention. The CiANCIILLOII of'theEILCIIRQUER said that ineasiire oil this suhret was in contemplation. LICENSES. Mr. C.►t.cR,%PT asked a queition respecting the increase on Victuallers' Licenses ; but we could not hear the Chancellor of the Exchequer's an swer. • , NEW SILVEIi C:OINAGE. Mr. IV.Por,a brought down n Message firm the Prince Regent, which stated, that considering the present deft.ctive state MO amount of Saver' Coin,' his . Royal Highness directed a new and extensive. issue, and relied nn the assistance Of the House of Commons to carry into effect theneees sary measures on this important subject. Mr. W. PoLa moved, that the House should consider the subject in a Committee on Thursday next.—Agreed to. A copy of the Treasury Minute respecting Civil List Offices was ordered. TRINITY HOUSE, _ Mr. Rosa, pursuant ; to his notice, rose to move for 'Certain Papers relating to the trinity House. He . Stated that his object in moving for these P a l pers was principally for the purpose of refitting certain accusations against the Corporation,. which . had been been made by an Hon. Gentleman ()pro — site on a former occasion. He then moved for an scconnt of the Revenue of the Trinity Corpora ruin, and how it was hpplied for the ten years be tween 180.1 and 1815 ; also en Account of the number of Alms-houses built by the Corporation ; and attic Pensions allowed by them ; likewise of the number of -Light-houses built by the Corpti retiOu. Mr. 13tacn ma:•ltained all the charges which he bud formerly made against the Corporation of the Trinity House ; and produced to the House a do cument proving them. Mr. Holm explained. Sir W CURTIS (14.'1'01144A the Trinity House film) the charges of the lionoaroble 'Gentleman; whinh were peifeetly untoornied. Mr. TtituNttY tholigist •the vindication -of the Right Iloooorable Gentleman (Mr. Rose) ,was intended to forestoll the motion which his lion. Friend (Mr. Birch) intended to found on the Papers which were now tu,)eetl for, and therefore is was a speech quite Out of time. Mr. WAURV said a feW words as to the neees. sity Of looking into the mode in which the con cerns Of the Corporation were ntsnaged. Mr. ItnsE explained. The motion was then agreed to, and the Papers were soon after presented to the Honse.—Ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed. AUSTRIAN LOAN. Mr. ti ANIMBRBLEY rose, plo•sitmit to his notice, to call the attention of the House to the large SUMS title to this country by Austria. In doing so, he w►as actuated by no dispoiition to disturb the amicable relations at present subsisting between the two nations ; on the contrary, he wished these relations of ami►y to be cherished a n d strengthened. in the first place, be referred to the Message which had been sent to the House in 1 , 795, recommending the Loan to Austria and to the Act of Parliament for that purpose. In that Act was contained a proviso for securing and re. covering payment of the money. The first Loan was in 1795, to the amount of 4,290,001. In 1797, an additional sum of more than 3,000,0001. Since May 1797, no notice whatever had been taken of this debt. Nay, in the account of the Public Debt of Great Britain, presented by Go vernment to the House, the amount of the Pub- lie Funds were stated, exclusive of the Imperial Loan. Why was there no cognizance of this Loan ? The tact was, it was the Debt of the Ern peror, and as such admitted in every shape. In his character as one of the Trustees tor this Loan, he thought it absolutely necessary that the , House , should he furnished with informatiOn'on the sub ject. He therefore expected that 'the Noble Lord would this night make some communi cation as to this debt ; and this he -mast add, that if any arrangement had been made with . Austria, by width this debt was cancelled, certainly he would find that this country was quite delud ed with respect to the debt, whatever might entertain, as to the impropriety of the eon ditet of the Noble Lord in not having sooner in formed the House of such an arrangement. if any such had been made. It never had heen his opi nion that the repayment of . the debt could have been expected from Austria at the time when she was stripped, plundered, and impoverished by France. But the fact was, that the situation of Austria was now trite Changed. The recent ar rangements on the Continent had left her mistress of a large anal extensive territory. - It could no longer, therefore, be said that the situation of Austria was such that the payment could not he expected. But. if k were said that tile financial skim , ion of Austria' was- one. of great distress, he would say that the financial situation of this roan. try was also bail: Why wrs nor such tin arrange ment made with Austria as had heeit made with Port rigal ? The latter coulitry being in our debt, the Wand of Nladeira wac '4sNigised ko us u n til •l ie debt sbouid have breu disgual4;cd frog the rem • - nue . 6i This it-al et eiSe exactly in point ; and he saw ttn reason why st 81- rarigem e nt bhottl(Cnut be made with Atwtia, lie concluded hy inoviug an Address td the Prince Itcgent, praying that the Stints acivancea to Ai's triit should be taken into consideration, with a vieW to instituting negociations ior the imrtioil:e of coming to some arrangement satisfactriry to both eonotries. 1 Lind CMTLPREAGII said it woehl only be ilecei itary for him to trouble the 1-louse with a very few ob'slei.vations on the present qiicAion, as he could very ihorily satisfy them ,that the present was by nu 11)Ca113 a proper time to ent.Cr flirt) negOeilitioui the sublect. In saving any thing tin this subject, he thought it highly proper for him to state, that he believed it to be the sincere wish of Austria to ray oil this deli[. Indeed, the House was awal.e that the advancing this money to Austria in the shape of a loan, was a very unusual mode of prO ce.eding, and had, at the time, created a strong impression in the coinStry. It had latterly been found much better to advance SUMS to foreign powers (in cases similar to that in which the Loan now in question had beau advanced) in the shape of subsidies ; and Austria was the oily power to which we had ever made an advance in the shape of a luau. That the Austrian Government had not yet fulfilled its engagements w respect to this money, ought to lead to no imputation .egainst the good faith of that Powtr. Titter was no power in Europe which hail more extensively tottered from the calamities of the French Revo iimion, or that ,had borne drain move manfully ; nor had Austria ever receded from the contest, ' except when she was reduced tn:Such a situation that all her Allies allowed such a mensure to be necessary. If it was considered how meet' she had suffered in these conflicts, on man would won der that she had not yet been able to discharge the debt in question. The Hon. Gentleman alluded to the situation in which Austral now stood ; but then it must be considered, that although she had certainly gained some acquisitiqus iu terri tory, her position wits such that she hail not yet time , to apply a complete remedy to her financial (illnesses. lie was sorry indeed to say, that the finances of Austria were now as Much depressed as they had, been at any time since the beginning of the Revolutionary War, but still the debt in question was by no means to be' considered as. obliterated. If any orraegemeut could he made for the liquidation of the debt, it certainly would' be very wise to make it ; but this he could say, that there could not be a more unfavourable time than the present for entering into any nego tiation on the, subject. It might, perhaps, be said, that the amount of the contribution paid to Austria by Prance (which came to 5,000,0001. sterling) ought to have been haudcd to us on SC count of the dabt ; but, on reflection, no man would say dint such an arrangement would have heeu by any means fit on the present occasion. le fact, it would have been most unwise to at- , tempt it, us it : might have deranged the whole po litical arrangements of the Allies, to the utter pre judice of our ino - sompwant interests.. To agree to the present motion woeld only he deluding the couotrv. lie cOntidently looked rot the r e - es t e . blishmetit tle.! Imances Ausit ia. anti the li quidation of this deht, boi being c.iiviticed that, no negociation could accelerste this, but rather retard it,' lie felt it his duty to ateet the present motion by Moving the previons questi o n, Mr. .100 t. SM Fru said, he could easily under stand that there were muny difficulties in the way of Effecting an arrangement as to this debt during the war ; but ail those causes must now have ceased to operate. The country wl4 certainly now entitled to know the course pursned by the Airs- Irian Government ; he therefore hoped the lion. Gentleman would divide the pause epos his mo tion, as a slim Of 511C1I en enorwolvi amount as , 13,000,0001., due to us by' a forei!:,n power, re quired that every step should be taken to recover it. The CHANCELLOR of the Ev.Cntionzu was at a loss to know hOw the amount of the debt due by Autitria could be stated at 13,000,0001. The amount of the original advt.ance was only 4,600,0001. It was quite unfair to stateit at a larger sum than it really was,. merely for the purpose of producing a false impression' on the subject. No greater proof of the total inability of Austria to pay otty claims could be given thtits this; that since 1709,' although all parties bad been in power, no Ali nisters hall thought proper to call upon that Ile.• tioll for re-payment, Mr. LAw thought that it would be extremely impolitic at - this moment to press the ,payment of that debt on Austria. We ought to do every thing to restore Rad consolidate her poWer. She was the central monarchy, on whose efficient strength the peace and balance of Europe de pended. France was -not the only nation to be dreaded ; Russia was equally dangerous, anti when the exposed state of the frontiers of Austria was considered, the propriety Of assisting and sup porting her Would he evident. The state of the Austrian finances was stickohat take man's whole lite to undostand it. The Vienna bank paper, hailed at 10(i florins, bail beet) re duced to 20 florins, and in that state was at a de-. preciation of 3:41 per cent.. The issues of that paper anounted to 1,000,000 of florins, and the, total ci the Aust inn Debt was 4,000,000 of francs. He should oppose the motion, although be did full justice to the motives on which it wee founded., :, lion. " Mr. W. SMITH defended the motion, whicl► only direcced Ministers to enter into some negociation to effect an arrangement satisfactory th both coun tries, and was therefore pot intended to occasion any pressure . on Austria. The pressure on the people of this country was at all events much greater, and lee doubted whether . it %tonic! not be preferable for England to look at mice into her situation, be would not call, it nation d bank tuptcy, or consent to a reduction of time interest of the debt, instead of continuing to pay beyond her means. Mr, BROUGHAM, alluding to the argument used by the Chan&lltir of the Exebegner, that ',Mier viirious , - Administrations, no Minister but Called upon Austria for the payment of her loan, 0 . - berved, that when Mr. I?itx came into power, the circumstances of Austria were very different from thr present. lt was alter the Battle of Auster litz, and when the Austrian monarchy bad sunk its .i.-prel,.n., Ira;:igrcer; ire the F licy of assisting her, and renovating fort 6 to oppose her As Z . --Ce1111;41 barrier to the aggrt., , scone; of either llusaia or Prance; but he did tear: Pre lhat the mOtitin could coat:tenet that polic•i It ‘Vpidd only keep alive Our and shot' tJ ! the people Of this cOuntry and ttr Austria thlt bad not foigotten it. He had understood the bdth Austria Anti lirussia had pledged thernselve4 to give a new Constittit ion to the ptieti Of 1 which remained in their possessitin. lint thek,7 had taken no step for that • pnrpoie; whilst, . his infinite jitiitoni . , the !Thiperocof Rttssialuilt eonferred a Constitution, on liberalluinciples, to the ll'olish . kingdom erected under Ids auspices. IFl. , : , tait'st.av, in his reply, stated, if ilot -thirteen lent to Austria hart been appliedto the reduction of the National )eht, 27 of it would have been extioguished in the coarse; of the period during which Austria had kept oar money. He persisted in his motion. The House divided Agiinst the motion . .43 For it Majority against it CATHOLIC CLAIMS. .. -s7 1 Sir J. Cox HIPPISLEY, in rising to make the mo. tion of which he had given ootice, wished to gear(l-.• the House against its being umlerstood that he should advocate the MIS(' of etnaocipation with' out proper securities. He would never eo , ,eetlg as a right what was elaiffleil, and could "tot be granted RS such, consistently with the principkoOf the Coriatittitioti. lie thee proceeded to take 4 comprehensive view of the policy and conduct Of the differeot Synods held liy the Catholic Prrht"' and the opinions which. they had expresied 1799, they had declared, e• that the iuterferenc or e of the Crown with the uotninatio!. of llishops ! f the purpose of ascertaining their ,letyult,icwesifi'tir and ought to take place." lo 180 S another Sy'uiu had come to a very different decision, that it inexpedient to adopt any measure to alter Becle4 , siastical discipline. On an eXplanatiOo he" ing retptired, they had stated diet the dechratio: of inexpediency was not in opposition to the It solution of 1799, but that the inexpediency am" from the circumstances of the times.. Jo 1';10. 4 new Meeting bad confirmed the Resohctiou of 1808, and denotniced the Election by Chanters► which was now so popular in Ireland, tis one which, if adopted, would soon lapse int o riot mere nomination of the Crown. ' The Sp i nel 4 : 1512 had confirmed the Resolution of 1810, .thetr read from a work by Mr. Clinch, published' in 1808, and styled the Inquiry', or a Bhef W.' . shops, the opinions of that Gentleman - respect• ing emancipetion, and in favour of aecnritirs. let 1813, a pastoral address had been issued in Item laud, reprobating the mu at 'that time proceed ing through the 11 wise, and the 'conditions ott . which erionicipation was then - proposed. If Ova measure lout been carried thr e e yeiri Si ,, QC. it would have pitt an coil to the disturbances ex. cited by those men who wished to mislead their 'country. At the next Spool, in 1814, it tviis shewn that the rescript of Aloitseignum QuAran. , totti admitted all which the Bill had pro' Dosed to inchule. In the month of Auvust. the Catholic Prelatos l k!o l d i:c l ewe d as 1 1„ . ., r N et. .seieuchnis opinion, that any pmr , r gi v.. 11 it) 00 n to interfvre, ei.her dime ,ticectl , t with the nomination of Bishoo •,, e ifoitc:,- per, and that at alrtimei,they •••I ti opp t ,, e . a measure in the most Catholic etetoir. manner. Nay, on Good Vritlay last., A Murray had thought !Hopei- to ascent! and to dedounce those who bu tt s;gtav t i t tioil presented by his !lon. I. li oend, the for Dublin. A - letter ; front the Same PrclaH , appeared 'in one of the Dublin papvts, that to submit to an alteration t,f ecelesiaStle , 4 discipline would he the' degradation and the rig slavernent of Catholics, and the abaniloomeot their'religion. Dr. Troy wai therefore at issue with his coadjetors; and the Catholics who had signed the petition, with those who hati not. Tliings could remain as ihey.4:ooll at pr. , sent, when Some of the stutiltes Of 1.:HZ11).14v subjecting all persons who should receive or communicate with the See of flume, to the l'ed nalties of high treason, were still 'existence. He then alluded to the regnlatinos adopted itt Hungary and Austria, and concluded by in sving--- , • " That several gtlicial papers relative to the, reg.gulation of varioul State' ,of and in their be referred to a Select committee, and that they report Cie rare and, the "iihject of the Ordinancea resreet ing the regulation of Rowan Catholic -sithjecti, and then-in tercourse with the See of Rothe, and other foreign jurlgdiv Mr. Peet; expressed .Isis jotention to snpport,t iid motion, as he saw !Milling objectionable in, it . . Ile - tvas always desirous that the subject should undergo a deep investigation ; but in sa yi n g , thst he should not oppose the motion he did not thesis to give any pledge that he might approve of NI) ot thegsecoritics which' the H o n.. Baronet mickt propose. No securities could remove the objec tions which he had to the extentive securities proposed,ami he even thought it improbable that any Of those securities could be made more.polo: table to the Catholics than those %hie) they hall rejected.; Sir U. PARNELL thought .be attimadiersion- . the Right Hon.Gentlemati (Mr. Peel) on the lat). gt►age of the Petition to be too stnere . ; he shout° have the honour to present the Petition in a fob' tiny*. lie trusted the same moderate"and tcmp rate language which had lately been used lb': occasion would continue to prevail all (taw disc►►ssions. Mr. Peat. and Sir H. Pastaza. explained. Mr. LOCKHART opposed the motion, hecause.in nil changes which we have effected, we have nld° them on the practice of our ancestors, and tot from the principle of the usages and liberties grinned to their subjects by foreign states. 1 : 11 , 6 4 Hon. Baronet, he thought, c o uld n ot abet n"Y precedent for the adoption of the measure be' propoied. Mr: W. ELLIOT said he did not ascribe that 04 4 7 lue to the regulations it I) eh other people 1: 1 ; upon their, but there was little chance of t a l i quest ion succeeding. unle s s due to:l;essiun:: were and -- he trusted the Cach"l ie.l themselves woad riot be backward in making all the concessions that were necessary 04 dleir