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110U$1 4 , oF cOAIMONS. reetttinned from our second resel The Cttesiceeeott of the Excneauee. ;TOT ,heeded, from the Hon. anti Learned Gentleman's'- 'aro adnaitsiou, that, in point of sttiet law, every hing tvhich had been done on the part of the e; t own, with reference to the stilieet to which he hail adverted, %vas justified. The Hon.and Leatn- Id Gentleman, however, with a w i etrto t h e p li ths i. hility of bis own arguments, had not sufficieutly upon the distinction between tint etintribu-: thins paid ley France previous to the signing of the Treaty, and those which had been paid since. The contributions before the rl'reitty of :Peace, wine, iu !mint of feet, the hoetty,ot war, flee to prowess.ot ti conquering larttry, awl - were Stat... V!,l iu the Convention of Paris, Lobe in lien of those contributions winch •the Allied Ai my, on rail- r ing Paris, had a right to exact, by way of ran sow. These,he apprehended, upon the audio' ity of all former precedents, jurre • Lehi, belonged to the Sovereign, and were, legally speaking, at his disposal—(llear, hear !) A small part of t his som, however, he hail only appropriated _to particular services—immely, to the removal of J . lte .works of art belonging to the Pope to Rome, and to the erection of tt monument to ; the _lost surviving branch of the _House of Stuart. The remaieder was left in the military chest of :tiieDuke of Wellington. With respect to the second hart of the transaction—namely, the .snms which aril-!, been received sinee_the signing of the Treaty, ;turf which had been gratited by Way of indemnity for the expenses which we hat 4 incurred during the war, this involved entirely a new question, and he would be ready to admit the justice of the Ilan. and Learned Gentleman's at ,gtonetite, provided the Clown had talten ot itelf\to appropriate these SUMS Ot111:11V1Se than for .the purposes for w Welt they were received. He begged leave to state, however, that the lion,. and Learned Gt naeman had totally misrepresented' Mite statement tvhich he made on this subject on a ,former night. The Hoe. and Learned, Gentleman said, that he represented the whole of this Sum ,to be choirs of the Crown, and disposable hythe Crowe at its pleasure. Ile would appeal to the recollection, of the House, however, whether lie had ever held.stieh.en argument or whether, on the culinary, he hint not distinctly stated. in the call;; part of the Session, that these sums had been ,recuivol, and we ere to lft applied solely and exclu sively to public service ?--(Hear, hear !)—The Sovereign, as the trustee of the nation, was the only persan by whom these stims.could he reeeiv cd, and, as became the duty of, such trustee, he held them till the, manner-of their applicatiim to 'the public service was determirie'd upon. . Ile ue- Yer dill contend that this money was applicable to any other porpose ; but bud unequivocally an. natinced the-intention of the Prince Repot, both ..with regard to the sums actually received under the Treaty, and those yet to be received, to apply them to the, payment of :he expenees of Ihe army. on the coaptineet, With respect to the adequacy or inatreqeacy of the sums to this purpose, that was , a Waiter of 110 11111/011ance, alt tongh he was t .. ; ei . eenaved to :contend that the emitribtonnis at the cod ,Of the five years would exceedihoseexpeneec It appeared from the ;Accounts on the table, Oita the sum already received for 1815' was but of livres., or 600,0001. sterling. This might fall short of the expences to be defrayed this year. ~b ut in the next year, the payment woelttbd in , - creased to forty millions of !ivies, and at the end of the five years it was estimated that there would •.be a surplus of 500,0001. Another proposition -which the Iltin. and Learned Gentlemen had submitted to the House , was, that the sum, intended to be applied tre the army, being received front a foreign Power, was to be viewed by the House with just suspicion, end. reprehensiou. It the Hon. and Learned Gentleman would Mill- to the Conventiou, however, he would find that it would not admit of the interpretation which he seemed to have put upon it, for he would perceive that it stated that the sum of 25-millions of !ivies, or one million sterling, was appropriated for the txtraotdiharyServieet of the British andPlll3Sll4ll et'itlies, to their respective Soverigns, and not to the arrnies-tternselves. Whatever those armies re-; eeivedtherefove %vas thehoutity of their Sovereigns, and in no reepeet the gift Oa foreign PI) wer. (Hear!) • ! ; ',The I-lon . . 'and Learned Geotlerean then stated that the conduct of the Crown, on the present OCCISIOII, VCRs' 'telt:My different 'front the 'course ;adopted in former times ; and in illostration. of his propOsition cited, first, the precedent of Queen Anne, in the Asiiento Treaty (a circuit' , TOtaace, by, the bye, which in these days cotild mot but be regarded with abhorrence), -where by she stipulated to receive one-fourth part of . the:Slave Trade of the Spanish West Indies, for. ,the privileges %bid) she granted to the South Sea Company, On this occasion the I-lon. and Learn 'ed• Gentleman had stated,. that Parbiuncht had sent tip air Address to her Majesty, praying that 'she would apply the produce resulting front this `treaty to the Service. So far was this frmit supporting the Hon; and ',learned Gentle,. 'xitatt's argnifient, however, that it` had.a contrary effect. For in this instance it distinctly slimed, that - Perliament recognised the right of the Crown 'Boon, stuns lo tpiestion, and sought that as a boon, to which.- the public were not constito , sionally entitled. And the Queen's answer the} strongly confirmed this feeling ; for . in -speaking of some minor slime, she said . " she -evf,itild' apply them as she thought best for her service."---'lhe tither precedent quntcd by the Mon, and Learned - Gentleman, embraced a trans `s-talon still less applicable : to - his argument. He alluded to the Vatch 'Treaty of 1760, respect ing the expellees' of the support of prisoners tsf war. This entirely arose out of a settle, merit of account, oriiinating hi Parliamentary grants,, with which the - Crown had nothing to 44 0 , and. therefore nothing could bb More wise than for tire-. Grown to leave it to the tionse of Commons tti say, ithetlicr they were satisfied with the proposal, of 'the French King or not— Licari, hear !)----The third precedent mentioned by *a t e and. Learned Gentle:l)oh was as little : applicable to ,the proposition Ile rutant 5-np - port lib the two former.. He allufleti to the:contract tit t li 4 ". C9nYpaoy, for the renewal of their Charter. The Sum paid for ilitt:tutTatttege tifai Stipulated by ParliaMent, and was, consequently placed under the controal of Parliament alone, in dependent of the Crown. The flonourable and Learned Gentleman hadritegt Atfitifildverred the danger wilier: might result front placing - at the disposalasfthe Crown, dining . , five ,yeat:s, sum of five or six by rendering it independent of Parliament. ,Ifc yislied to ask the Honourable nod - .Learned Gen:leman whe.;. titer any such danger was apprehended in time tact yeae; when Parliament without hesita tion, had placed at the - dispos4 of the Crown tia less a son) than six milliouo—(Hear, hear !) ,---Was there any fear theiri of the Crown becom jag independent of the'peoplei and, if nbt then, upon what principle was snspiciott to be har boured Dow ?--(I lour, hear !)—The Honourable end Leaf - lied Gentleman had hinted at the temp.- whin to make bad treaties,_ and to sacrifice the real interettts at the country, for the sake of pecuniary 'reward. If Miniaters . could be so wick ed, appreh'entled the contrOul of Parliament would at all times exl)ose , them. to punishment, and would effectually elieeld.such to the application of the- snins which hail beet) re ceived, 'this had already been lfetert;ined by Par liatinnt i.t the Supplits wi.i4:l) they had toted ; fdr those sums, like the surplus of the vote's of, the 111111N' year, Would .b.e . included in the Ways and Means, and thereby prevent the recurrence to ()diet' mode's of defraying the expencvs which had been •sanctioned fr o on t whole, as the Hon. and Learned - Gentleman did not shew any misapplication at the money in question, or improper conduct on the part of the Crown, he should move the previous questiou— (Loud cheers). Mr. TIF.ItNEY observed, that the argarfientS- of • his Honouraidt' and Learord Friend had the effect of establishing all that. he wished---qitnely, the 5111145 received by way of indemnity Ivom France, was received by the Grown, not for its separate use, but f or the use ( if piddle. That was the ob ject of: his speech,' ettl . (l,it had been fully attained. tVhatever might, have.. been the intention of the Crown upon this ,subject; - he thought it ought to have been made - known to Pnrliainent by a Mes sage. Such bad been the course adopted by Pitt, with respect to the Dutch I)roits, He thought the more secure mode on this ocelSion :would have been to have paid the money, into.. tlae Exchequer,. and to have, left it „ f or ment afterwards .to . dispoSe of it as they might think expedient, and not, as seemed' to be the practice; to: spend it tirat, "sod account for the pude of its expendit tire afterwards. The House ought to' have some security that this Money would be applied to the . public service. Ti me was suf., fiClein eiblise.to suspect that this would not be the case, from tile sum expeoded its the erection of a monument - to Cardinal de York;e. - trate proposi tion-for tire erection of this motounent had been submitted to ihe House, he was sure this soli' -alteady - idven Wonid not: have' beo. voted ; nor did he. heli(live the Noble- Lord {Castlereagh) would hare had the face Jo come down with such a proposition. 'Tie 'history of the coun try contained the best ' monument to • •the 'House of Stuart, and afforded a lesson to'. all Xiiies, that when they ,-aeteel ill, the people would drive theuk Out of the coiintrV. Uc agreed that those engaged in the battle or 'Water hull were entitled to -a reward_, bitt whether he rmoil go to . the ex,:ent of a million wax another qdiestion ; he not object *to swell a vote, yet he could not diSgoiSe from himself that there were many other soldiers, who were (leprivetlAsy accident from being .present at that, battle, who ' were opcilly entitled to participate in that re ward. .; Upon'the . whole, hr thou& Parliament ought to act for itself, and that the money should be lodged in the Lxchequer, pod left. for, theta to dole it out as they might think proper. Lord GOTLEIVEAGH thought it impossible that to clearer and'More satisfactory explanation clinic! have been produced than that given by his'Right Hon: Frienil the. Chancellor of , the Exchequer to the (Intim No greater tribute could he paid to its merits than the attempt to answer it made by •the Right lion. Gentlenian opposite, for he had flown off 'entirely from the question. As to the application of the inoney,:the subject ,had already . been amply 'discussed whets the, treaties had been . - laid before Parliament, and 'had received its up .probation. The Army Gra n ts h a d: h een .. a fr,, a dy voted, and the amount of .those sums would be deducted from - the supplies to be produced for the `service of the year.' They had not been'tletailed in the Ways and Means,. because' they were: not, .levied front the.people, but the vote of supplies would be lessened in proportion to their amount,. He repeatedhiS former statement respecting the rea sons which had imincedthe Prinee Regent to join in the erection of it monument to.,CardivalYorke. But the sum applied to that purpose had not been taken out of the funds intended for the public set .- - vice, but out of those Which, remained distiuctly: :nuclei. the power of the Crown. • As to' the're lioquishment by fluSsia and Austria of, their re ! - speetive shares, .it was in order that the arinies who hail fought'the battles 6hould - be properly re munerated out of a regular cOntfibtition, instead elf the irr eg ul ar one i m p ose d au rariS Blticlicr at the arrival of the English and Prussian armies at that capital... But the tro'opS Could out reteive these sams before theyhadt come into the hands 01 tile Crown ;, and:it, was well Understood that they : could .only be applied to' the , public )et-vice, Mr. l'oNsoNtay complimented his Hononrahle Friend 'on having': brought forward the present -motion,' because - in the early part, of the Session it had been. customary to represent the skims in question as belonging to the Crown alone, This was no (Unger maint;tined, aitti .1111jest1's bistere had now adopted a more constitution.d vievi of the qoestion. Ike retninded the , House ? that even before rite Revolution, und e r leS 11. in 1674 or 1676, they hail voted that they were the only. body, who lvid the-right of granting, Hp plying, and appropriating the rinbiic nioney, anti had refused to share that privilege with any.other holly, It was that conviction, that Nan:oat:tit Ayoub! not suffer themselves to be trampled dOwn by the Crown itsclf, that formed one of the strongest bulwarks Of ou r , libo-ties.. j Sir - JAI.ICS shiAtiy The It . esolutions were then put and negatived without n Mr: WARD presented Accounts of the Contin gent Expences of the Ordnance for the lust ten years. - °tiered to be kid on the table. To a question - tram Mr. PO'NSONiiY when Lord CASTI.V.JIRAG4 would tiring .on rite It ePor; thei Alien Bill, hit The House went into a Committee pro fart/tat on the - Ci4il List Aet;,lmblin-the blanks were filled - up, and the liepott ordered to be received next Friday, Mr. VESF,Y rITZGEII4O moved, that on Friday next the lionseshonld.resolim itself into a Com mittee of the whole„lionse, to consider the Se venth Article of the Union:. Agreed to. GREENWICIi - OOSPITAL. Sir C. MoticKl7omplained, that the estates be longing- to Greenwich EloSpita,l, in the CountieS: of Cumberland, Northumberland, and Ddrham, .were tnistnana.ged, and that but a comparatively, small portion of their revenues .Went to the sup- . p•at of the Hospital. lie was understood to par- , ticolarise the estate of Deriventwater, on which 54,0001. had been spent in five•year,S, in repairingi and rehnilding farin-houses, whilst the increasel in the net receipts .was only 1,19G1.. The amount; of the gr.ess receipts for the last eight years was 30,701. had been speut I)lkottilig timber, and the prod - ace of that article amounted only to 21,0001. !le concluded by moving for a Comin;ttee to inquire into the causes of the diffe rence in the p-cross net proceeds of the Greenwich Estates to the v,:ohhttes of _34intlicartnii. North timberland, and' Ddrhain, and for the production! of those papers. Air. LONG explained, that the expellees inetttreci hail occasioned a considerable increase in the nett- tills of those estates. 11 s.l,oooC'had been spent ‘vithin five years, 16,000 ocreS of waste land fiat! hvelt inclosed, and 1 - 0;000 acres more turned from grass into araWe lands. The rent of the landed ,—estates, which in 1805 was 23,5001. was now i. raked to 40,1001. This was a good return for the expence.ineurred. If 30,0001. had been spent in timber, 2004 acres of wood had been planted within the. last two year's. He did not think the Hon. Iroronet had Made out the least case, and therefore shoold ()prise the motion. Sir M. W. RII):LEY supported it. He compli ,niented the Gentlemen who had the manngement of the estate, for their integrity and competency. Mr. ettoxeit thought the only point On which the two Ffirn. Baronets see Med to agree was that the estates of the Hospital should be sold. The expectations of the Commission, appointed in 1805, had been fully justified ao to the increased valite of the property.' He entered into a series of details,' to spew' that the small decrease alluded to had bean unavoidable, and 'added that there was every reason to hope the estates would soon be materially -increased in 'value.' • He conducted with observing-, that the Hon; laronet..bad made out no ease of Mismanagement and therefore he should oppor,e. the •tuotiou. . : • ' Mr. GoaDolv supported-the motion. Sir M. Runty' eXplained," denying that lie bad attributed to the managers of the estate the ilight • • est impropriet y of conduct. . Sir C. Poce expressed, his opinion in favour of the side or the eStates, fin the same groOnds its the Itm. Mover. The other appOiutments which the Gentlemen of the Commission , held so : fully occupied their time, that they could not attend 'properli to the ditties this inquiry . It would be bene ficial to the country - to sell that enorniotis estate, which only.returned 20,0001. a year. ,The expenditure of the Hospital, which was 00,0001. a-year io lalls, WWI now more than quintupled. EVery effort was therefore requ:site to make hp . the difference, and prevent the country from being called. on for a sixpence towards it. lie< colt eluded with saying, that Ire .Could not agree with his lion. Friends in the necessity of a COnniiittee, as the papers'on the table sufficiently proved that ,the estate ought to be sold. Sir 40surit Voting contended, that the lion. MeMberS might as well propose the selling Of the Hospital itself as :the estate in.qiiestion. - As a Director himself,..he coup) assert, thattkere were amongst them two ;or tutee very steady fellows indeed.--“ Laughter )-11in: as the Hon. Admiral 1111E1.341d, he Saw no necessity for , the Committee, he (Sir .13 could not see.that there had been any necessity for his, • speecli.: Sir - C. MONK replied, after which the House when (here were— 'or the risotioti. Againtt it • 93 iajurity On thc,m9tion ,fqr the second read ' ►ng of the Poor ttoiise BM, Sir E. littYncEs said, that as this Bill had pass ed through .the House last Session, he trusted awe would be no oppo.,ition to it at present. The Bill was then,read a second time, and com mitted, for Friday. The Pauper Removal Bill was read a second time„atter some explanations of its nature from Sir E. Brydgvs. •Committed for Monday. The' Cominittee.on the Civil List Bill we un derstood to be postponed till Monday. The Local Copper Token Prevention Bill was remd a first - Aline. . • Sir M. [ltoLev moved fm art acconnt of the number of chaldrotts of Coals, Winchester mea 7 sure, exported front. Newcastle-tmort-Tyne, Sun derland, &e. (ra►n the lith of January, 1812, to the same date it') the present rear; Agreed to, Mr. Alatztstt presented a Petition from the Pa• rib of St. Giles's, Bloomsbury, against the Gas Lights Hill. • The other Orders were then disposed' of, and the (louse adjourned at Twelve o'Cluck till Fri. ! clay. , POLICE IiVFELLIGENCE: 110 W-STR ERT....—YCStelllity John Sexton was re examined and fully committed for trial, on f t 01.41tge Of wiering a eontrterfeit three shilling Bank Token tO - Edward Rees, shormian to B.Benjaa,rin, a statirmet and seller crf NeWsparers in the Strai.d. Martin, late a n watehmaker in, Piceaitilly s VHS in:Kr:Wed 01) cl i arg e i of ,converring watches by whole- Vale - to his oivii use; 41)ich weft iiitv.wed to iii •• date, lie was committed fur trial, . i'IIENCEI PAPERS. ATAT I I2.--The, Ministers of the Intend and of War are occupied in the re-organization the' Polytechnic School. ThiPrevotal Court of Grenoble ois begun to try the rebels. In the evening of the sth, a ttt. verti-keeper, named ,Robelin, was arrested : he has wade sortie important discoveries. Troops of the tine are in pursuit of the remains Of the rebels, who disperse and throw themselvei into the woods - to escape their just fiemishnient. Twelve hundred of the national guard of Lyotil demanded tirmarch against the rebels. The King, his said, intends to bestow on C's" neva! Donpatticu some distinguished marknf hi; satisfaction. cowtonace) OF LEFEBVRE DESNOUETOS, ° Court appointed to try Lieut.-Gen, Count 'Lefebvre Dvsnonettes met yesterday m,Orniug: It was composed as follows :—Lieut.-Gerr. M.Valic) President : Lieut. Generals flax° and Charbon' lel,: Cols.. Viscount de Courteilles and tie Atlilen , . arlci CsplaioMontjoy, Judges. Baron de Sa lguei the King's Commissary M. Viotti,. the fiar pot teur Apelgre, the Secretary. The accused is denominated -Charles - Lefebvre" Desnotrettes,.eou,ut, Lieu% tieneral, Commaadct of the Legion .Of Honour, and Knight of Sr. M. the liapporteur declared, that lierralt , en* able to produce several important papers relative to ti,e events prior to the 10th and llth of Nlatt.h., as 1 hey had been . burnt atter the return of the Usurper. Two witnesses Wire heard.---The marshal, as Caine Baron d 4 ..kboville, Commander of La,Fere at the period in question, deposed to Ale eile'tn s which were - emPloYed by Lefeh% re fiersout teb and by the'brotheis . Lallemand, :to corrupt the garriSon of the phice Which he commanded. - passed an encomium on sever a l offi cers of lb° 'same gairhon, whose.fitumess had maintainei th c troops in their duty. The second ivitn'ess was Lient.-Colond Lainelt who stated, that being menaced by the offices "r Lefebvre Demon-cites, WllO. Mai le d t o make him open the gates of the barrack under pain of being shot, he answered7—"-Well, Jet your-General (I) me the honour of cansinglne to he shot ;- for , " , he falls .witbirt my -h an d s , the Sallie late awa its him." • .;11. Viotti then made a long report, in which he commented on the evidence,: and concluded 1 1 moving. that Lefebvre Desaonettes should be de' clared guilty , fitst, of having, with the intetaino of .overthrowing the legitimate G ,vernment► To, in movement from Flanders on Paris the corps t _Royal Chasseurs, of which he was the Colonel secondly, of having attempted to shake the &de' lity,of tne troops stationed at , La Fere and COr piegne, and of having endeavoured also to 1 55 e. possession of the depot of Artillery of tbe first °f these two cities: offences punishable by theßt li and 96th Articles of the Penal .Code. The Court declared unanimously, that Lefebvre) Desnouettes was guilty of the two first offences , hut. acquitted bins of the last by a majority of three to two. Ile was accordingly condemned to death, a 1 to the costs of suit : 500 copies of the judgmeg! were ordered to be printed, and to be posted up., Next Thursday the Se con d C ounc il o f Wa Oh r proceed to the trial of lieneral Rigaud (coatione cioua), and the Captain of Gendarmerie, Thomas" sin (present), charged as abettors of the usurp* . tion of Bttonaparte, prior to the 20th March. Limn, Ma'43.---The Duke of Wellington bog returned the visits of the Marquis de Jumill iti f: and M. Dupleix de Mezy, Prefect of the DePar t- , 'merit of the North, which they paid to Goan 'while at CarOray. The Illustrious Conitnende t ; and the Duchess of Richmond, with three of 1 1 lovely d au ght ers , an d severa l other dist i ngu i s he characters, (Hue& at the Prefecture. The pal 'afterwards visit e d t h e Th eatre, w h ere t h e b e lovc national air of rive, lle»ri Ir. Way enthuslasti. catty channted, in honour of the Illustrious in' sttants. The following: outrages have been recently. coma mitred in Suit) :—' l Thursday l a st a ih ras hitif machine was taken into the mat ket•place, at Clai'e , and burnt by the populace. Yesterday sennig,l4l riotous assemblage of men, women, an d children , 100 in number, broke the iivindows of Mr. Har wood's flour mill, at Needham-market, and then dispersed without attempting any further gni" chief. Several houses, granaries, &c. have bey also destroyed by fire in the course of last creek' in the stame county , some of whi c h are sus pecte to have been the work of incendiaries." About three o'clock on Tuesday afternoon, ai 6 , a Gentleman was crossing the fi e lds f ro m Sadler ie Wells to Wellington T errac e, he found a m a l e infant, apparently eight or nine months old, lYinri exposed on the f oot path, wrapped up io t , n blanket. It wa s conve y e d to Clerkenw ~ house. ZIRTH. On the lath inst. at Eelii,iyurgh, Mrs. Bartlet Stiehl/oa r/4f daughter. DIM t er Latel7, at Norwood 'Park, Notts:Charles Nfanners youngest son of - Thomas Wright, Esq. aged eight-year!' On Sunday last, at Brighton, in his 57th year, (tali cs thorp 'Wheelwright, of Higlihury-terrace, Ou the 15th list. at her mother's bute&e,Marichester - s r r;', o .. Miss Mary Anne Synge, fourth da ug ht er of tholateSir" Len Synge, Bart. r I ' . On InestlaY last, at Teddington, Mary Amelia, aiit Lukin. Esq. of Fludyer-street. „ eti. The same eretiing, neti Kentish-town, ' Lews a , Eura - ,.. the wife of Mr. Michael Nugent, anti eldest ilaugi.ter late Res. Ecwi:,.!‘mi,:s, of Carmartlienibire• et}' On the yin t:1 February, on the passage fe.on board the Lowther CaNtle, Mr. John - Henry Dixon, Officer, kt the 45th ye..ir of his age., lota' On Cie Lti t l os t. a t Pil r i g - s t ree t,- Jr' Stewart, merchant, Leith. LONDON: Ptinred in .1. B. ). 7, Cr. B4 :,„ e r ih roil:Wit .1 tiv IV. Ars Br":; e. - it ttle NVN-OVEIVE, Nu. 1 - 4*, Strand ; 1611,3=. 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