The Sun. — London, England, 1841-06-08 00:00:00

•. 0 r MORNING', EDITION O'Connell) understood the charge to relate to the pre sent year, and therefore he did not know whether some agent of his might not have put in a distress from mali cious motives; and . therefore he was not able, when it was made, to give it a positive denial. Since then he had desired his son to wait upon Sergeant Jackson to learn from him his authority for the statement,' and he said that he (Sergeant Jackson) did not know the name of the tenant, but that a gentleman called on him some time since in Dublin, named Twiss,—that he (Sergeant Jack son) recollected to have seen him on juries in Kerry, but did not know his Christian name ; that the affair took place on his (Mr. O'Connell's) estate in Iveragh, where Mr. Twiss said he had seen a number of cattle ! impounded in the month of April, and on inquiry was told that they belonged to tenants of his (Mr. O'Connell's), and had been distrained for March rent. His son asked in what year this was, but Sergeant Jackson did not know — (Hear, hear)—but said he had a memorandum thereof somewhere among his papers. He (Mr. O'Connell) was in Kerry in the mouth of January last, and was able to contradict the statement in the strongest terms.—(Hear, hear.) It was not for him to condemn the manner in which the statement was made, but he would beg the House to remember that the man's name was not known, that his address was not known, and that all that the statement amounted to was, that some one had told Ser geant Jackson that these cattle were impounded.—(flear.) Mr. Sergeant JACKSON said the statement made by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman respecting him was not precisely correct. The !Hon. Member for Tralee called upon me this day, stating that he did so by his fa ther's desire to know the name of the person to whom I had made reference in the course of the late debate, and he informed me that I should acquaint him with the whole of the circumstances. He (Mr. Sergeant Jackson) told him that he had known the gentleman for many years, having, seen him on Juries in Kerry, that he could not tell him his Christian name, but he knew his name to be Twiss. Tha gentleman told him that he had seen the speech of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, in which he had indulged in the usual strain of attack on the land lords ; that he knew that he was himself an ex ceedingly harsh landlord ; and he then told me what he had seen, in the month of April in a year he mentioned at the time, but which I could not tell him till I referred to the memorandum I made at the time. He said that he had been at the Honourable and Learned Gentleman's property in the month of April, when he found the cattle of a number of the tenants distrained for rent due in the March preceding. He said he was quite certain of the accuracy of his statement, and would be ready lo substantiate, it on any occasion. In the presence of the gentleman, he (Mr. Sergeant Jackson) had written down the particulars of his statement, adding that he should mention the fact if ever the Hon. and Learned Gentleman made a charge against the landlords of Ireland. Ile (Mr. Sergeant Jackson) would not have mentioned the matter to the House if he did not believe it to be perfectly correct. — (Hear, hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL would appeal to the House whether, when the Hon. and Learned Gentleman stated he had a document he should not have produced it—whether he ought not to have taken down the name of his informant. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman was aware there were several persons of that name in the county.—(Loud cries of " Chair, chair.") The SPEAKER said, if the Hon. and Learned Mem ber had anything further to state in explanation of the facts, of course the House would be ready to hear it; but he submitted to him whether he ought to prolong this con versation when there was no question before the House. .Mr. O'CONNELL said the name of the party accusing him sva. . not given, the name of the lands were not given, or the tiz, when it occurred ; and the only place where it could happened, was his college property, because on ral his other property the rents were received in May and .li;.;vember, and therefore the statement as regarded his pr: - .4periies would have contradicted itself. He had been met with a total'ab sence of accuser, date, and particulars, and he was therefore entitled to pronounce it as gross a falsehood as ever was invented.—(Cheers.) Mr. Sergeant JACKSON said—Perhaps the House would permit him to say, that he would put the Hon ourable Gentleman in possession of all the parti culars at the earliest possible moment. NOTTINGHAM ELECTION. On the motion of Mr. T. DUNCOMBE, the petition of William Belbie, presented a few days ago, was or dered to be printed with the Votes. Sir R. H. INGLIS would have no objection to the 'motion, if there were any further proceeding to be founded thereon. Mr. T. S.- DUNCOMBE said that the subject was to be brought under the consideration of the House on Thursday next. The motion was then agreed to. Mr, VERNON SMITH moved for certain returns connected with secondary punishment in New South Wales. • CLERK OF THE PEACE FOR HERTFORD. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE moved that the C/Plic of the Peace for the county of Hertford should then attend a the bar of the House. John Samuel Storey then appeared at the bar, and stated that he was Clerk of the Peace for the County of Hertford. He received an order from that House for a copy of the Register of Electors for that County. for 1840 and 1841—he would have had much piettsoe In, emnplying with the order, but the register was not in his powitiaiion. or under his control. The 56th clause of the Reform Bill niatke the Sheriff the Castes of the register, and it was in his pow:4s4 ) k by Mr. DUNCOMBE—He was awaro h-Vig the 55th aeetion of the Reform Bill he was bound to give a copy of the trpßj§ter to any one applying for it. He could not say nla.4 the date on which he re ceived the order. ff#e iii.gistrates of • the County of Hertford had censtantly'W..fus,est,i . ti. ni.jjet the register, and unless they allowed the expenge tkiese no other way of paying the expenses. He (the witness) had, from Jjs notion pf respect for that House, refused to give that tes but a copy of the register. He had P,9X Fcl;,i-t . r ,ill his pos session, and, therefore, could nqt gn & m copy ,or it. He had when applied to by e. fieekwi-der fo a 900 of the register answered that tip wPiald t;tirotsl it at a reasonable price, but he had refused to fuxiii4, ip hp 15s. He had applied on the subject to the Noble Lord the Cha.innsw of the Quarter Sessions as to whether he ought to have tke. F.PFetCI- printed (as we understood him to say), but is I. 4 oychhip advised him not to do so. Witness had not 'been tti i t at either the last St. Alban's or the last county election, hut, witness's son had been an agent at the last county election. en is not a clerk in his office, neither is he his partner. Ile In witness's office. Does he hold any situation ?—Ws is there as my son.—(A laugh.) In answer to questions by Mr. Hooper, witness said that he had ne doubt as to the authenticity of the copy in his possession. 14 1;0 been made by his own clerk, but he thought the* copy would not bo in compliance with the order of the house. If any elector had asked him for a copy of 'time register, he should have furnished it from that copy. tie did not send the copy in his possession, because he had pop *pi ordered to do so. The order of the House was tO fnraiah a copy of the register. The copy in his possession was not his own, it belonged to the county—(Opposition cheers).-.and he did not think that that would satisfy the order of the House. Mr. ALSTON—You stated that yoit applipd to Lord Dacre, the Chairman of the Court of Quarter Ses sions, when applied to by a freeholder on the subject of the register. Did you apply to his Lordship, as Chairman of the Court of Quarter Sessions, whether you should furnish the copy after you had received the orders of this House ? • Witness—Lord Deere told me that the order of Quar ter Sessions absolutely prevented me from having it printed, and that if he had not been so ill he would Lye attended the House himself, The witness then withdrew, Mr. DUNCOMBE said it must be quite clear to the House that this order was sent to the Clerk of the Peace. The Hon. Member for Ripon had been decidedly of opinion that it was the duty of the Clerk'of the Peace to furnish a copy of the copy of the register; it was quite clear, after the statement of the witness, that he was in possession of the register, and that it was his bounden duty, as Clerk of the Peace, to furnish it to the House. An Hon. Mem ber had asked him if it was an authentic copy, and he replied that it was. It seemed that his only object as an individual in not furnishing this copy was to create delay, in order that the House might not be able to place it in the hands of the electors. It was for the House to say whether it would have its order evaded. for such a purpose. lie (Mr. Duncombe) thought that it was quite necessary that this ordt r should be enforced, and he would therefore move that the Clerk of the Peace attend to-morrow with a copy of the 'regis ter of the electors of Hertfordshire. Sir E. SUGDEN, who was nearly inaudible, said that his opinion coincided with that of the majority of the House, that if the House made an order it must be obeyed, but this was a matter independent of an Act of Parliament. He thought the orders respecting this gentleman were rather hard. The House did not appear to pay anything for the copy ordered, but, on its own authority, ordered a copy to be returned. Such an order must sometimes operate :harshly on an individual. This gentleman could not make a copy himself, but must pay to have it done; and though this was no reason why the power of the House should not, be vindicated, it was a reason for ! not pressing harshly against an individual who had not transgressed against :the order. The House required a a copy of the register, and he had not the Means of furnishing a copy, for the register was not in his pos session. The Honourable Member was aware this gen tleman a.. a copy of the register in his possession, and aske I him if he did not know that it was a faithful copy, to which tne witness answered in the affirmative. He was the - s asked why he did not send that,, and he 'answered, because it belonged to the county,—could there be a better reason ?—(Hear, hear.) If he had the . register in his possession he (Sir E. Sugden) thought he ought to have obeyed the House, and after wards appealed to its justice for payment, but it struck him that this gentleman. had not the power of obeying the order. There had been a trial of legal skill between the Honourable Member for Finsbury and the wit ness ; but it appeared to him that the witness had the best of the argument.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) ' He believed the gentleman in attendance was called a prisoner, but a more improper expression could not be ,used. Mr. O'CONNELL said, that it appeared toy him that the gentleman, if he thought he could ilisre gard the order of the House, was acting under a mis take. The Act enjoined that the expenses of the Clerk of the Peace should be defrayed by the Treasurer of the county for any expenses he might incur ; and he had, therefore, no loss to sustain. It was also necessary 'according to the Act, that the clerk should have a puni ber of copies, and not as he appeared to imagine only 'one: If he had applied the word prisoner to the gen tleman, he had done,so solely through inadvertence. The question was then put and agreed to, that the C overnment, and of the success of the. British army Clerk of the Peace for the county of Hereford should in Chilia, it did strike him that he should have been attend at the bar of the House to-morrow, and bring with justified in stating what abatements were to he' Made him a copy of the register of electors for 1840 and 1841. to those triumphs.—(Cheers.) But as he recollected Mr. PALMER wished to put it to atry member of the the Noble Loed the Secretary for Foreig,n,Affairs.would Government who might be present, whether it were fit not have an opportunity of replying to . him, hp ab that public officers should make use of their position for' stained from saying a single word. Now with respect the purpose of obtaining signatures. to - public petitions. to the Budget, he certainly did state that ..it Was the lie bad understood that certain officers of the Excise had prevailing impression throughout the country that the só interfered, for the purpose of procuring signatures to Budget had been adopted at too recent a pstiod. That Anti-Corn-law petitions.. ' was the observation he had made ; and . there was an The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought impression that had circumstances been more favour that such a course of proceeding would be extremely irn- able to the Government these questions- would not proper ; but it appeared to him that the Hon. Gentleman have been pressed upon the consideration of the House. o f f gj t e h s e tyds country,Government, had d et view ing'ern must be mistaken upon the subject, as no such fact had The Npble Lord, howev er , assure d him that he was come within his (the Chancellor of- the Exchequer's) , ' s v tt r t ( t ) e ng o ' f a t il h a e . it knowledge. Mr. WYNN said, that seeing the anxiety of the House an early period , : on bringing forward their meas ures ; tit hear the statement of the Noble Lord the Secretary for an d havin g received that . statement he (Sir R. Peel ) eined t , a e t h the Colonies. he would postpone the motion of which he was bound to place, as he did place, in ie the most im had given notice till to-morrow. plic i t c onfi dence. But, at the same time, the charge he CORN-LAWS. had made really remained untouched.; because his. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that on Friday night he charge was this, that if the GoVernment had, contern had stated the course which the Government intended plated -those important measures, which partook less of a to pursue with regard AO the Committee of Supplies financial character than of a relaxation of commercial and the remainder of the Estimates; he had also stated policy, then it would have been much better to have that he would announce on this day his intention with called the attention of the House to the subject at an respect to the motion on the Corn-laws, of which he had early period of the S'esSion,' and to have referred to it in given notice. It would be in the recollection of the House the - Speech from the Throne.—(Hear, hear.) That was that he had given that notice on the day on which the observation he had made. The measures in his Right Hon. Friend, the Chancellor of the Eitche- question were introduced in consequence of theßeport of quer brought forward his financial statement. the Import Duties Committee--he meant the measures He (Lord John Russell) afterwards renewed that relating to the duties on sugar, corn, and timber ; at notice. It was his intention to ascertain least he thought the main arguments in favour of the what was thought upon that motion, as it was one measures were to be found-in the evidence of that Com of very particular importance. He did not make the mo- solace. He had stated on Friday that no member of her tion for the mere purpose of bringing forward adiscussion Majesty's Government had attended that Committee dur upon it, but it was his wish to obtain from..the House its ing its sittings ; but that, in his opinion, if they had opinion with regard to the policy of an alteration thought that in the evidence taken before the Committee in the Corn-laws, and with regard to the principle of might be found the principal arguments in favour of the alteration which he proposed, and the course which these great measures it would have been better, in that the Government should purSue. The Right Hon. case, either to re-appoint the Committee at an early Gentleman, the Member for Tamworth, • had, how- period of the present session, or, if the Government were ever, about a fortnight since, given notice that he convinced that the evidence already taken was sufficiently would move a resolution to the effect that the present conclusive, and that it was not necessary to re-appoint Ministers of her Majesty having been unable to carry .the Committee, and that they had determined to pro through the House measures which they deemed coed without -- further evidence, there, considering that of the highest importance, their continuance in the measures were less . ' measures of finance than office was at variance with the spirit of important relaxations in our commercial policy, he the Constitution. After the Right Honourable argued that it was not a d v isable to delay the Gentleman had given that notice he (Lord John introduction of, such measures until the produce Russell) stated to his colleagues, as a matter for their don of the Budget. That . wa s the cause of the in consideration, that if the Right Hon. Gentleman should pression which he had stated he had entertained, but succeed in. gaining a - majority in favour of his which, after the declaration of the Noble Lord, lie en motion, it was his (Lord John Russell's) opinion tirely renounced. Now, on the subject of the Corn-laws, that he ought not to act under the authority which. lie had he should say it appeared to him that the Government obtained from the Cabinet, and bring forward the motion of had but one of two courses to pursue—either to deter- Whichle had given notice. He stated to them that he mine to brill. , on the Corn-laws immediately, or to ab considered it a measure of the highest importance stain altogether from bringing on the question. Either to be submitted to . the consideration of the House. If of these courses, he thought, .were perfectly open to the the lltOese should decide that her Majesty's Ministers Noble Lord, and he did net presume to give an opinion did not possess the confidence of the House, and ought_ as to what was the best course for her Majesty's Govern not to continue in office,. if would not, . he thought, ment in their present position. But he thought. it was be respectful to the House, nor consistent with hardly fair of thethew Noble Lord, after he had announced their duty. to submit a measure of so much import- his determination of not going on with the Corn-law ance to the present House of Commons. He (Lord J. discussion,, to give them the main heads of the arguments Russell) found that his colleagues concurred with him —(Hear) , —which he would have made use of if the in opinion, and it was not his intention to proceed with questibie had been brOught forward.—(Cheers:) • The the subject. In stating that it was not his intention Noble Lord had told them what were the four principal to go on with the subject of the Corn-laws, he might arguments on which he had intended to lay a stress ; perhaps be allowed to go into the general question—but and he (Sir R. Peel) submitted to the House that he he steted that he should not have been deterred from could not then state his opinions as to those arguments, brinaing forward that measure by the various reasons and attempt to immtess upon the -House his reasons for that were stated.. at different times on the other side entertaining different opinions, without at once provoking against the propriety of bringing forward that motion. a very inconvenient discussion upon the subject.—(Hear, Among the reasons urged against bringing forward the hear.) The Noble Lord had given them - the heads of question.of the Corn-laws was, that it •would increase the chapters which would have constituted his. speech the excitement amongst the people. Now it rather than the chapters themselves.—(Hear, hear.) ..But• did not appear to him, he confessed, that dis- if he (Sir R. Peel) entered upon the subject at all, it seas cussion on the subject would have that effect. clear he - should be provoked into a discussion, into which, Another branch of the arguments he would have used according to the Noble Lord, it was not his intention to was as to the importation of corn within the last few proceed. He was the more disposed to leave the Noble years, and the duty which had been - paid upon it; Lord in the full possession of the advantage, and forego any and he thought the result would have shown that opportunityofenteringinto the discuSsion, becauee he cons the peoposed duty would afford a greater protection than fessed the Noble Lord's summary of his arguments had not the duty had been of late. Another question related to the made that impression upn his (Sir Robert Peel's) mind statement which had been so often made that this particular which would lead him to think any discussion necessary. law was intended and does • act for the protection —(Hear and laughter.) Of course the Noble Lord had of the agricultural interest. He thought he could show advanced his four principal arguments ; and they might, that what had.occurred sincelB2B,especially what had cc- he ehOught, safely conclude that the remainder would not mead of late years, had shown that the present be so cogent as thoge he had adduced—(Hear, hear) — sliding scale of duties had tended to derange the and he (Sir R. Peel) • was perfectly willing prices resae than eYould a fieed duty. Without going immense evils of being now provol- ' e .,.. err eeetr!kthe „. etvio aiscussion on into :toy other hranclies of the subject-,(Loud • Tory the subject of the Cor . n-1: . ,;„ 1 cheering)--tile accesatioil against him and the Govern- not prepared, and seeneg teat the deci+iwliision ia the Ilouae was meat, of wiii4 he h e el net taken any riptice, was that would net be taitme-te Was perfectly willing of the House for three week§ or a month they had Put N° 6l in possession of the adantal..en?lhtiochleahvee the(Sir forward the pre.sent question without the hope of R.. Peal) thought he had not quite fairly 7alce * n (Chee. ) carrying it, and solely with 4 view to agitaticm ; --,-(009r5.) stating the main arguments on vhich he intended -s Had he brought forward the qucstion,, he Ahoul.C. ;1:1; e to have relied in case the discussion of the Corn-laws shown that tho oiled of their prup§4l Wflii not to raise had been brought forward b)-h er Majesty's Government. extravagant hopes, but the 0c.,n4440 Ow the question The only other point to which he wished to advert was was one well deserving the attention and full considera- the proposal of the Noble'Lord with res p ec t t o th e votes' . tioa of the Bugs(?.---f Hear, Let i t b e reco ll ecte d of supply. He inferred, from the statement of the Noble that - the whole itrinciple on which • his' Right Hen- Lord, that it was the intention of the Government to appeal eeeehle feiend liroatht tense his Budget, was to the sense of the people, and to. call together newrar that peehilettimi §HtAf - !Roger cito . 4l}o, tit .4 - N (sir it, i'vel) oNprosseti bur opinion what the great deficiency in the re;{p e niee should' e' etireciliet . ever mien the Kepeiety. of that coons© ; lee left the res an alteration in these duties. But it would have been a ponsibility of it entirely to the Noble Lord. The course which might have given some advantage to his Noble Lord had, on Friday, stated his plans as follows : Right Hon. Friend in making that proposition if he had "We propose e t) t t 4i yute o supply on Monday, and lerp the Corn-laws altogether on one side—if he had left to tette citily! elk i fth , eefi miscellaneous estimates the • .••••• • that question 44 4 ..!#44 ( 11 1 11.; act }e YeguN Rast—as it was necessity. for wide is so in - mediate that any delay would under the Government o ord Grey whente assumed office occasion great inconvenience to the public service if not in 1830, and had not considered it as in any way granted at the present inoment."—(Hear, heav,) • Tht.s.v, connected with the proposal regarding the sugar and were the terms of the Noble Iford' lotic.c.. While lie, timber duties, and various other matters. He repeated that Sir (IL Pc Tl.) p t , 4 4 1,;‘,4 ya; approPation of thel the eoes4e4 ft tublhe eoaree whi o hei Majest . i , V Government weee await'to time dl:Lotd (iFei 4414 4 0 .:4'Sn'en4, -44 open 'aaestion, take, intinelY, Wet a v p,,iin g t o the country on the but he did not . think that such'enntse would su'oject tile oOirli;laws, while he left' entirely with her have been fair towards the agricultural interests.— Majesty's . GOvernment the responsibility of such a mea (Hear, hear.) It did not appear to him that they sure, he must say at the same time that he was not Fee could have stated as a general 'principle that prohibition pared to offer the slightest obstruction ill the way at: her eve with. and that the whole tariff should Ma;esty's Goveroment teens©.—_(Hean, hear.) be revised—fhtit ettanges tn peertiete Ile eot)ceiyedditere wai a very material distinction tae. commercial intercourse with 'Oilier '6•Olin'trie l 's 'Without tween Mid - rife '•' h' Ifof the • 'hit) pon emse -auy. part including . the question of the Corn-laws.—(Hear.) and abstaining altogether f rg i si i tv; test ley :which the Therefere .h e thought it the fairer and plainer . Government latiellet he e i bsteneted Air any delay . upon the course `Wit peoecedih n g to dot not subject ungl‘ i cracuu . ..=,-,(flear ' hear.) His opinion was merely With' 'S-lettv to 'OiCreaSe - , the' chary thisit at he should leave that resporeibility ex but with . a view to isle'various Other, and extended clusiyCly to the advisers of the Crown, if they determined interests wificl fol4and there- to assume it, and to exercise the unquestionable pruwoa= - iiffeatect ny It, . fore, at nearly tle satire' tune, '6' had thought it would tint of dissolving Parliament; but that it Vieh the duty be best to propose .an alteration in the Corn-laws. the Government to asSag t a they ee,speeies.ihility and to ex- He had now only . one remaining statement. ercise tat e nneeogattia vitathe least possible delay,— to make es regarded the charge made 1;;;glet (liettr i hetkej` Ile said that doctrine applied to all times Hon. - Genifeno apposite in'tlie 'eo,iisli l 4 is reply the and circumstances, because the discussion of any im• other evening. 'The /light-Hon. Gentleman had stated, portant measure by a Parliament, which knew from eke and as he (Lord John Russell) understood, had stated his nifieant indications, that its days were evegietelcd, belief in the statement, that the Government had had two and that its fate was deterneioect wc t ald he evidently most Budgets prepared—a fair weather 'budget and a foul injurious the liplike taie ee ete ' e He said, also, without weathee hadaet.,- e RInFs ; ) Tt INp §PttFfl the col., Wti4tog, to introduce one word of aggravation or aspe ineneement oftheset iseuSsions, as achargeitgaingahe Go- rity, that the peculiar position in which the Executive , eernment, that the Budget had been a sudden thought; Government was placed after the vote of Friday night, that his Right Hon. Friend had, he supposed, in the added, it appeared to him, a further reason for the en course of a single morning, prepared the whole of those Cerement o f th ose views, and i!11K14o4 an additional extensive 4 , 49* . i.Firr . „; whiq t h i z.4 KozpAgA : ohligation-Af 1 1 ;r1 € 1 (.144.1 6 .441 i:thligation ;could be imposed a charge • `so extravagant hat he had_ taken no neetce — ut - appealing 4t (glee to the sense of the country. — o f it, and the inventors of it, he imagined, had become (Hear,) He did not think there could be .a doubt upon so convinced of its extravagance that they had dropped that ettlefeet ; and, as he said before, inferring from the ia—(Hear, hear.) But those who had, inseensed course of the discussion, and from the language held by that stossi, 1 1 e4 tilYi .IRTeuted another, not one a Cabinet Minister . during that discussion, that her Uu• whit more probable 'than 'the extraordinary state- jesty' . s Government had made up thoututuda, even if the giant to which he had alluded, and that was decision of t,19 Neighs©tificgi the resolution which he that there had been two Budgets prepared, nitess•tid adverse, not to consider themselves lie could not imagine that eny Rpm quAld he- bound to resign, but to take - the sense of the people upon lieve that the adOspFs ;:lt the Otluwti wild se far forget their the measures which they had proposed—when the duty as to frame two biidgets, with a view to their Noble Lord had made the statement upon Friday night own political situation. There was not the least found- that lie would only take such estimates as were required ation for the allegation, and he regretted that the Hon. for the public service, his (Sir 11. Peel's) impression was Gentleman shoidd have brought forward such a charge, that alien tAtinuktii..s ought to be granted at once ; but he or that he should fist! a Moment have glyen cpedit should say time Chancellor of the Exchequer was pursu to so absurd 'a statement. The course which ing a course very different- from that which had been thus they then proposed to pursue, was that which had implied. The chancellor of the Exchequer proposed to been already intimated on Friday evening. They pro- take the whole of the remaining estimates--the Civil to Con posedtake. the sum that was in the estimate with re - tin g encies—the Commissariat—the Miscellaneous Esti- gard to the service pf Cenada and the seryiee of china, mates fur Eir4giaud and Ireland for a period of six and they proposed to take, with regard to the Miscel: months, That appeared to him (Sir R. Peel) unfair laneous liestunates, a course similar to the one varsued upon the part of the Right Hon. Gentleman. in 1830, after the death of King George the ourth ; Lord J. RUSSELL—It is only for a period of six they proposed to take a sone on account of the Miscel- months, commencing from the Ist of April. laneous Estimates for six months, from the Ist of April, Sir R. PEEL continued—He would proceed to state which would supply the immediate wants of the public whatwere - Jtis opinion sas to the course which the Govern service, and prevent inconvenience both to individuals mant and the House ought now, in his opinion, to adopt. and to public officers. He (Lord 3. Russell) thought As he said before, his opinion was—and it was an opinion there could not be any olejectioo on the pnrt of that in which the House, a pp eared to concur—that it was the House to allow them to take that course, The Noble duty of the Government to dissolve the present Parlia- Lord the Member for North Lancashire said, the other merit as soon as ever it could be done without inconve night, that the question of dissolution was not one nience to the public service. He knew that the Sugar which ought to be discussed in that House, as it was th e Bill should pass, and nothing could he farther from his undoubted prerogative of the Crown. Whether that intention than to oppose stich a'. vote. :But -he not only opinion were right or not, lie thought there was no thought that the act of dissolution should take place as man who could say, that after that division of Friday soon as was consistent with the public service ; but he night, when 623 Members of that House voted, arid must also say, that, according to all usage, Under circum there was only a majority of one in favour of the stances at all analagous, a new Parliament ought to be Right Hon. Baronet, and when, he believed, there convoked as soot.' as possible—(Hear, hear)—not only were only eight Members who had not de- with reference to the important questions on which the : dared their opinions, 'and wh o had not been public mind ofnd was now divided—not only with ref waited upon by either party in th at House—(Hear)-.- rence to the interests_ . the country, or .at least for the support of the existing G overnment, or any of all p erson s engaged d in commercial s p ecu l a tion, or . Government the . Right Hon. Gentlema n ( Sir R. Peel) enterprise of any kid in whose advantage it would might form—(Hear,. hear, and laughter)—he said he to know. what was to be the state of the law affecting when such was the division of opinion in that House, the importation of corn, not only with re f erence t o th ese whatever might with be the case, as to the propriety of giving con siderations but also tl:eference to the position of any advice to her Majesty respecting an app eal to the the Executive Government which manifestly s t an d s b e f o re country, he thought it must be generally allowed, both the p eo p le as notpossessing the confidence of the there and in every part of the kingdom, that it was not House of . Commons.---(Hear, hear.) The combined to be expected, during the continuance of that House, force of these considerations compelled him to say that any majority would be found in favour of the support of the interval ought to be as short as possible, and that the Government. Such being the case he confessed that her Majesty's Government, after having resorted to the it appeared to him as clear as any proposition in politics act of disso lution, and taken the sense of the people, ever did, that the only mode of solving the question was ought to summon the new Parliament without delay.— that the country itself should_ decide upon a question (Heat', hear.) He thought that no considerations con which so affected it—(H ear , hear)—that th a t d ec i s i o n fleeted with-the private or personal convenience of being made, if it was not in favour of the party in office, Members ought in the slightest degree to interfere upon he thought it would be highly inexpedient and unad- such a subject. H e looked upon that as a g reat consti visahle to continue any struggle for the purpose of eon- • tutional question in which personal considerations tinning in the offices they now held ; but if the opinion should be. discarded. According to all analogy— was the contrary way they might then make some progresS according to all former precedents when a Par in those measures which they felts() necessary for thepuh- liament • was dissolved—the . succeeding Parliament lie welfare. This was the whole statementhe had t o masse ought s o be immediately convened.—(He ar , h ea r.) with respect to the course which they meant to pursue.. The Noble Lord •opposite would recollect that in the Il e had at least stated as fairly and freely as h e cou ld, year 1784, a fter IStr• Pltt dissolved the Parli a ment; as their intention. He knew not if there was any question i short a time as possible was suffered, to elapse'before w hich he had not touched upon, but if 'there w a s an y - anot h er was called together , . In 1807,. and a gain in suc h, and he could do so consistently with his d u ty to . 183 1, when Earl Grey dissolved Parliament on ac count t h e Crown, he should be ready to answer it.—(Cheers.) of some o bstructions With regard to theneform Bill, a The Order of the Da y was t he n read for going into a 1 similar course WASP uesued. These we re three • cases Committee of Supp l y . analagous to the present '; itnd he therefore felt that the Sir ROBERT PEEL said he „would simply state, 1 House had a fair right to expect' from 'her .Majesty's clearly and distinctly, but he hoped as frankly as the Noble Government that a new Parliainent should be assembled Lord, his view of the present position of the Government. ! at as early a period as possible.. If the Noble thought In reference at those questions to which the Noble Lord it consistent with his duty to • make a declaration that more particularly referred, in the first place, he would that was the advice which would•be given. by her Ma notice the charges which the Noble Lord had brought . jesty's servants to the Crown, he - (Sir IL Peel) should agaMs • t him. He was somewhat relieved to find that S:1.; that such a declaration , would satisfy him. — they with referenceHe should consider, a declaration, so were at one to the budget. He had Il','hear.)' • .( 77 no t t a ken advantage of a reY on the late debate, al- made - by the leatteroi's"' " °ll Se of,Commons, posses sing th o ugh he knew t hat he had a perfect right to do so. the confidence of • her Majesty, as -a declaration on Nothing could .be farther from his intention. When which be could as implicity rely -as he could he heard the Noble Lord speaking of--the advantages upon any proceeding whichtlie House might adopt for resulting to the country from the Foreign policy . of the -.the purpose of controlling the Government, lie said at . . • E SUN, LONDON. TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 1841. IMPERIAL PARLIAMEYI'. HOUSE OF LORDS, June 7, 14 rd BROUGHADI took his seat for the first time aiaee his return from the Continent. The Duke of DDVONSHIRE presented 13 petitions rrom Derbyshire in favour of the proposed revision in the import duties. Earl BROWNLOW presented several petitions against 41 3 r. alteration in the Corn-laws. Lord LYNDHURST presented several petitions to the effect from vari ous p ar t s o f th e me t ro polis. The Earl of WINCHILSEA presented several peti tions from places in Norfolk, Lincolnshire, and Kent, Vilna any alteration in the Corn-laws. Earl FITZ WILLIAM presented a petition from an thewly agricultural parish in Northamptonshire, againgt Corn-las. CORN-LAWS. The Earl of RADNOR wou ld ma k e a few remarks a 1n the injurious effects of the Corn-laws upon the Tteresti of t h e labouring classes. It had been found ti t w wages had b een sometimes highest when corn rule () west ; and it did not at all follow as a general e • that wages should vary directly with the ricei• of corn. Another point mentioned by the Noble that crime had increased as corn became dear. ilt _as ,lontr ary to every soun d pr i nc i p l e to su pp ose that was t,a the advantage of the labourer to pay a high Price for b rea d . It was not only contrary to reason, but con trary to the evidence which ' had been adduced before. ac cidental ary C omm i ttees . Th e f ac t might by some oireumstances be, that the labourers were b etter off wt•en bread w as dear than when cheap, but this was not to be taken as a general rule.—(Hear, hear.) Lord BRAXBROOK said that the Noble Earl had i ntroduc e d many subjects to which he ha d not a ll u d e d petition presenti ng his petition. The person signing that r t uion had lived tong enough to know that when -,„°, I ', ll was che a p, t h ey were very much worse off than en it was dear. Lord STRADBROKE said the Noble Earl intro l'a__,ee.ed s evera l topics into his speech, which had nothing wha tever to do w i t h t h e quest i on , an d cam e to the most Ztraordinary conclusion. He admitted that poor-rates uB t be high whe n corn was dear, but it did not follow rm that circumst ance that the labourer must be uetter oft Lord ASHBURTON said it was impossible that the nglish, agriculturist, who paid 12s. a-week for the acultivation of his land, could compete with the foreign 'lsower th t , who only paid 3d. or 4d. a day, and if Corn-law • was to be repealed, the English attik'tilturalist had better realise his capital abroad, ' la d t( cultivate land in Pomerania and Meeh f„ Vil-Th, and o th er parts o f the north of Germany.— k fle a t, hear," and a laugh.) • „(rhel.7att-1 of RADNOR sa id they contended with the 4 w ri e sh lah a \ urer at the rate of 4 d . a d ay .—(No, no.) There r e litany' of th em on ly go t 6d. a day, and worked but two- thirds of the year. Did not that reduce the rate e () c , `lages to - 4d. a d a y ?---(Hear, hear.) If they i e( nlipet a with the Irish labourer they could coin with th e ,. German labourer.—(Hear, hear.) It had b e en said that for every quarter of foreign corn that al i e in; a quarter of English corn must be disp laced. 4 ' 4 FIT' - - ELI 'll It is meant, I suppose, that f or e 1 `:"rY quart et - of foreign corn imported a q uarter of En ghsh corn woutsk fail to be produced. T be Earl of R.AL'it:Oß—Yes, that is doubtless what Th illean t ; but that :a not what the statement says. of co Noble Lord (BraybraNk) had said that as the price t eame down the food of the people would be de ,eriorated.--(Hear, hear.) Bust he (the Earl of Radnor) Zgged to ask the Noble Lord whether the food of T o e People had d e t er i ora ted as the importation of to elfin corn had increased ?—(Hear.; No, it could not be Said that it had ; on the contrary, the poor had eaten vttter bread as the importations had l acreased, and ea a .en the importations were small, they were compelled to ' T rYo and barley bread.—( Hear, hear.) 14; e r d ASHBERTON said that if the agricultural our attic of this country were brought into compe 4, 'n with the labour of those countries in which this Ate of low wages and low dietexisted, the labourer of wise ~e o untrwould inevitab be brought into the same -rte of lowwages and low diet. Every one knew tne lab ourers o f this were better fed and better —° thed than the labourer of any other country. FITZWILLIAM said the labourers of this coun : wer e certainly better fed and better clothed than a n y 'tier. But the Noble Lord seemed to think that the ' - v i cultural labourer was the only labourer of the country. a s the Marquis of SALISBURY thought it would much 'unter become the Noble Earl to make an original motion this s u bj ect , a nd thereby raise a discussion upon it. 'le (th e Marquis of Salisbury) coulal not admire this tr e ti ng up discussions on the presentation of peti tions. thought it was quite contrary, too, to the regulation of thellouse, in opening a discussion, to allude to a speech tha t had been delivered in that House on a former day.— ' (Rear, hear.) Earl FITZ WILLIAM—I made no such allusion. „ The marquis of SALISBURY alluded to the Noble 14 °114. who 1 d" • 'on He believed that the Noble opene t iacussi . FAH (Fitzwilliam) thought a repeal of the Corn 14ws N‘lovid be a source of benefit and happiness to the l abouring classes of the community, but he doubted very materially if that opinion would be backed by the la bourers themaelves. Earl FITZWILLIAM rose, but was received with l oud Cries of "Ico, no." Earl of lIAREWOOD admitted that the illanu iieturers of this country were in a depressed state , but I:,` E ' n ied that they were caused by the existing Corn ' t r i tt :, The depression in trade in the manufacturing die 'l-41se from the manufacturers underselling each the spirit of speeulation that pervaded them. te a :l,7 'le saw in his own county factories being contin .4;slitti',erocted, he could not sit still and hear it said that 1% . sin the manufacturine• districts was caused by the esetit Cor, 1 H r 'hear ) - t ar , s.—( ea , hear.) a 1-ZWILLIAM said he had never stated the distress in the manufacturing districts was •'itt ed wiinliF by the present Corn - laws ;he had stated - as in a great measure caused by them. He thought ,• e noble Earl had fallen into the'error he (the Earl o f - N . -4,` there %ood) had attributed to him (Earl Fitzwilliam) , at of • 4 1, ti oi statuag that the distress was caused by specula ," 14 1 , and underselling. In answer to the Noble - Thlnis (Salisbury) he begged to state that early in e " its next Ses s i on o f P ar li amen t, he should move that it ti e ( hay of this Ho use to take into serious considera o th n, the profthe And also to eaent system Inorr o wne should move that there should be an exami 11l n of atio f o ail the sig na tures to the petitions presented rare against the repeal of the Corn-laws. Lord BROUGHAM said that two years and a half tt _ • 11 P he mov e d a s i m il ar mot i on to t h e Noble Earl, and e was then prepared with evidence at their Lordship's of a, r; to • ' I Prove that low wages would not be the consequence 44 ow priee of corn ; that motion was met with ; ) ,,nlisch opposition that he did not then press a division. •. 'le Noble Lord presented several petitions from Scot ad • • In favour of a total repeal of the Corn-laws, in 'neit cord fully concurred. the DL N CANNON moved the second reading of "Mowing Mks :—The Assessed Taxes and Comp° , 77:0n Bill, Militia Suspension Bill, and County Courts Ireland) Bill. Th e N o bl e Lord also moved that the np.r Duties Bill be read a first time. the •,, t • Duke o f SUTHERLAND presented a petition ro t ta r o ,Newcastle- under-Lyne, in Staffordshire, praying ail alteration in the Corn-laws. Earl of fSTANHOPE presented a petition from Tiosethire ag a i ns t any alteration in the Corn-laws. * lt tLord PORTMAN presented a petition from the in c.,:ntants of Paddington, praying for a repeal of the a ,_" 4- laws. In that petition he most fully and cordially - -7trred. f r Zarl FITZWILLIAM presented several petitions ii,7,Crtamock, Derbyshire (2,666 signatures), lietter p,7l', '''el'autrvon, Norfolk, Yorkshire, and other places, ,‘;pi t g for a repeal of the Corn-laws. • der 1 1' Lordships adjourned at Twenty minutes past n HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 7. 4-n„ SPEAKER took the chair at the usual hour. heprogh e d a H ar b our ßill ,t h e ßl ac kb urn l mprovemen t BMarket Bill, the St. Helen's Small Debts Bill, the h a , iln eeston Small D e bt s Bill, the Salisbury Small Debts ill,l the Sleaford Small Debts Bill, the Wemyss Estate the Lincoln Road Bill, the Trusley and Doncaster 1444 ad ! Bill, the Bourn Drainage Bill, and the Burnley mall Debts Bill, were reported. The Forth an d Clyde Navigation Bill, the Scrabster harbour )3ill and the Brighton and Shoreham Road Bill i e , v ,? severally read a third time and passed. ;LAST - AND CAVEHILL RAILWAY BILL. , 1 * r_ O'CONNELL moved the re-committal of the Bel and Cavehill Railway Bill. - Colonel VERNER seconded the motion. „t 1", Air, DUNBAR opposed the re-committal of the Bill.. Colonel CONOLLY opposed the motion. The Hon, it • anti Gallant Member denied that the railroad, as stated title Ho n . an d L earned M em b er f or D u bli n , was com ,ti e tain all i ts parts as the Act o f P ar li ament requ i re d. BATESON, was .also opposed to the re-coin ! 4 ritlttal of the Bill He considered it a great hardship i ttt It large number of witnesses .who had come over co 4q4 'Arelitid to b• examined -before the Committee uld be again, after having returned to their respective brought back, particularly as there was just now short prospect of their remaining here. 'l7 -ncounT likewise 'opposed the motion, on the Kt . .fth that the Committee, in his opinion, had not vi erroneous decision. 41 ' 1414 words from Mr. O'CONNELL in reply, Sir -RO BERT FIiaiGUSSON said the Committee ade onsidered it useless to proceed; because the Acts w ere out. .Sir GEORGE CLERK considered it would be 2 ,T'.hing a dangerous precedent to allow a Bill to be ;)41; t'Z'g4tlPiited, when a Committee had sat on it and had 1 1, 1 . a ir ,1t641144t promble had not been proved. Besides , r lute witnesses opposed to the Bill had gone back to wad, and considering the declarations which had tOen mad e b y the Ministers, it was extremely doubtful Wl . ter the Parli ament wou ld b e in existence at t h e 6 . te rplurn. !., „ ~.t3IIW that the Committee 1 4 1 -iTIE d had .„„•• reported that the preamble I.IW net been proved, Dlr. LITTONthat the . Acts e xpired which said h ad professed to enlarge and con ti nue , an d that 'irtticf , * it was impossible t o prove th e p ream bl e . tratigers weep Olen ordered to withdraw, and the $o ,•e divided, when there appeared— For the re-committal .„, .................. 69 Against it ................. , ............... 201 *rity against the Re-committal ...... - " * (1 . I.4ANpLORDS IN IRELAND. • - Ur: O'CONNE4 prirg 119 6 e t. 1114 he should 'shortly , t :l4 tnove for leave to bring in a Bill Cu as the law of ‘• ,4 landlord and tenant in Ireland, so far as to give compen cation to yearly t enan t s f or i mprovement of the estates. t. The .1-lon. and Learned Member said h e h ope d the House ‘, 0 1.11d indul ge hi m f ur a f ew moments while he referred matter personal to himself.—(Hear, hear.) , Th e itouse was aware of the serious charge made against him (.h% O'Connell) the other evening, of distraining in April for rent due to him on the 25th March. He (Air. 4 , , .1., • 1 -~llr~t Vet., ft -.l> ~t'~= : . ~ .. nce, therefore, that if the IN'oble Lord was prepared to state that her Majesty's Government proposed to pursue the precedents to which he had adverted, and that they resolved at as early a period as could be consistent with the necessity for the public service to dissolve the pre sent Parliament and call a new one, whatever might be the apparent departure on the part of the Chancellor of the Exchequer from the course notified by the Noble Lord, he should not have one word further to say, as the declaration of the Noble Lord would be amply suffi cient. The Noble Lord would find that there could be no constitutional objection to his making such a declara tion, because the Noble. Lord might call to his recollec lection, that in the year 1807, on the dissolution of the then existing Parliament, it was distinctly notified by the Crown to the Parliament about to be dissolved, that another would immediately be assembled. His Majesty upon that occasion make use of these expressions :—" His Majesty trust that the early attention of the new Parlia ment, which he will forthwith direct to be convened, will be applied to the prosecution of those imporpant ob jects." In the year 1820, on the demise of the King, a similar course was pursued. His Majesty then informed the Houses of Parliament that " he had determined to call, without delay, a new Parliament ;" and in the year 1831. when Earl Grey presided over the Councils of his late Majesty, the following announcement was made in the speech from-the,Virone :—" I have observed with satisfaction your endeavours to introduce a strict eco nomy into every branch of the public service, and I trust that the early attention of the new Parliament, which I shall forthwith direct to be called, will be ap plied to that important object." He trusted, therefore, that he had proved that in the occasions of 1784, 1807, 1820, and 1831, in the dissolutions of the Parliaments then sitting, the succeeding_ Parliaments were at once convened ; and he had also shown that in the three last cases the Crown did not object formally to notify to the Parliaments then sitting that the Parliaments which were to succeed them would be assembled without delay. He hoped, consequently, that in conformity with these precedents the Noble Lord would be enabled to give them that assurance to which they were en titled. He knew of nothing additional which he was called upon to say. With respect to the peculiar position in which the Executive Government was now placed, he would only add that he thought it would occur to the mind of every one, that that position constituted an additional reason for their pursuing . the course to which he, had referred. Suppose the Noble. Lord were not prepared to give such an assurance then, he (Sir IL Peel) would give the Noble Lord whatever estimates he might require for the immediate term of his service, but he could not be a party to any vote which would, imply an opinion, upon his part, that the Parlia ment might be dissolved, and the Parliament to succeed it might- not be immediately convened. It was quite clean-lid apprehended, that if the Noble Lord took the vote:: for:-the remaining estimates for a period of six montlis,..it- would enable him to postpone the calling of Parliament - together till November, or even later. Ndw, he must say he thought that would be unconstitutional. He repeated, therefore, that if the Noble Lord wodid give an assurance, in his place as a Minister, that It was his intention to - pursue the course followed on former oc casions, on that declaration he would place entire confi dence, and mould not quarrel with the grant of the esti mates for the time, proposed. If the Noble Lord was unable or unwilling to do that, then he submitted that three months would be amply anfticieut Syr the exigencies of the public serviee,-- , (jear) Rat so de termined was he not to talco advantage of his pont4 position for the purpose of inflicting on any , hiiitiA Al' the public service inconvenience, that if the Chancellor of the Exchequer said there were ce rtain votes which for instance had been anticipated or were absolutely necessary for a longer period, he should not ome i se them.—(Hear, hear.) He trusted the IsT(lb,,l - e J e y.o wAuld relieve him from any furthq 4,11;lle duiciission on the subject. He did not pecittige gtia,4lltdc4 41:9,113. w cleclavatiq.ll as . to.' Ole cgilrAG Nthich he alptild in his capacity of a Nißikitep of the qr.covrt advise hgr Majesty to pursue.—(Dear, Lord JOHN 1113554 LL would illAqtYP 'that he could give no express guarantee as to the °ours() he meant to pursue, nor did he 414111)4s0 the Right Hon. Ge expected hint to do so. He thought the , - why they should deviate from the present occasion - stances in ._.w@tan was no reason _ ordinary course on _,--anct under the peculiar circum _ .—ineliTho was placed, feeling also that he . r iety . the mina of his N o bl e F r i en d a t th e h ea d o f toe Government, he had no hesitation in stating' that the advice they should give to the Crown would be that no time should be lost for the dissolution of the present Parliament, and in summoning another —(Hear.) That statement he was the more ready to make, because in the position which he held as Minister of the Crown, holding the seals of office, he felt all the objection to acting in that office after the vote of the other night until he had received the sanction of a new Parliament.— (Hear, hear.) Sir 'ROBERT PEEL said the answer the Noble Lord had given was the answer he himself had anticipated ; therefore, in fulfilment of the assurance he had given, and in which he placed implicit confidence, he had no objection to the supplies being granted for six months. — (Hear, hear.) The great bulk of the Members present here left the House, and for some time it was in a state of much ex citement and confusion. Mr. VILLIERS; who for some time essayed to address the House, said he did not complain of the man ner in which it now treated independent Members who rclo to address them. He was aware that everything in - teresting to the House had been carried and arranged h is Noble Friend the Secretary for the Colonies, and the Right lion. Baronet, had stated what they called ' ° their views, and indicated the course they meant to pur sue,. and therefore the business of the House might be considered over. He hoped, however, it was not too prasintiptuous in him to make one or two observations rut the position of that question which had led to the present position of parties, and which was now about to disturb the peace of the country. It had been a con stant themeof reproach to himself and others, that they had taken a course with regard to the Corn-laws which was calculated to do injury to the question by advocating too large a measure of reform—that they had been too extravagant in their claims—and that if they were more moderate in their demands, they should claim more at- Wien, and perhaps succeed better. But let the House look at the present position of elle question. It had been taken out of his hands by the Government, and they had proposed a measure which was evidently one of compro mise, and extravagantly in favour of the other side of the House. Formerly 'they had been allowed to discuss the question, but if he understood the present arrange- Metlt, it was, that they were not to discuss the question in that House. The other side, who had the power in their hands, might •make long speeches, and occupy the time of the House, but if the Government brought for ward any specific plan, then discussion was to be • entirely precluded. He hardly knew any part of the world in which the question did not excite in. tense interest ; but it appeared to him that so far as they were• concerned, there was some analogy between the slave question in America and the Corn laws with them. In Congress they did not allow the question of slavery to be discussed, and two years ago, when it was brought forward, the whole House rushed wt. The country was about to become the scene of a great battle between those who advocated monopoly of all kinds, and those who were anxious to promote the in terests of the people. The present was their first step, and then they said, " you may dissolve the House, but we shall halm a majority in the next, and we shall not al low you to discuss it in the new Parliament." The question was how the struggle was to end. He was not discouraged, and he would encourage the country not to be disheartened. He knew of no cause in the name and for the object of promoting freedom that had been so successful in the first instance.—(Hear, hear.) He was glad of the course the House had taken, for it was bold and straightforward. He believed it would do more good to the country than any other, because it would show. the people their weakness, and would point out to them where their strength lay. They would now see the necessity of putting forward their energies ; and he was glad in that event to find that the House was to be dissolved, and the sense of the country taken on the subject. It was clear that no other subject could engage the attention of Parliament till it was settled in one way or another, and he believed the public business would be obstructed, and that there would be a series of dissolu tions until the struggle was at an end, and the people had obtained complete justice.—(Cheers.) He did not think there was anything erroneous in the views of those who had agitated the question. He would be ready whenever a discussion was allowed in that House, to state the grounds on which he claimed for the people a total aboli tion of those laws.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. WAKLEY said it had been objected that so im portant a question should be brought forward on the eve of a general election ; but he would remind the House that the new Parliament was to be called together imme diately after the dissolution, and they would take the question into their consideration forthwith. So that the public was to be subjected to all the excitement, pressure, agitation; and pledges, which candidates would be called upon to give at the hustings. Now, he must complain that the Right Hon. Baronet and his friends who depre cated the repeal of the Septennial Act, and frequent Par liaments, should wish to have the present, and probably the next, Parliament dissolved within a very short period. It appeared to him that the great interests of the country were to be regarded as nothing, when the interests of party were concerned. It was only three weeks ago that his Hon. Colleague had brought forward a motion for the liberation of political offenders, and the Right Hon. Baronet had then deprecated any interference with the prerogative of the Crown, and had advised that the motion should be left to the discretion of a Government which he now said did not possess the confidence of that House or the country. Now, there appeared to him something extremely inconsistent in such a proceeding.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped the Noble Lord would not have what he anticipated—natnely, a majority in the new Parlia ment. Indeed, he sincerely hoped that neither of the great parties in that House would obtain a majority,— (Laughter)--but that the people would exercise a little common sense, and that their influence would be extended at the coming elections to increase the number of that party which, he regretted to sa y, was at present very small—to w hi c h h e had attached himself —he meant th e p arty maw, was influenced by a sincere desire to promote the welfare of the people:—(" Hear, hear," and laughter.) lie knew nothing as to the issue of the coming strug gle, but it was clear that at present the interests of the people were utterly neglected in that House. On the present occasion the public money was to be WO to, an enormous extent ; and as soon as the leklerss had settled their plans out went HQ% Members to (Huber, and they spent the remainder of the evening d;O , - , ,- u - ss t ng When t: l f:ai their : the state of parties with their fries? the people saw s.—(A laugh.) r OW; sufferings Were 1.-- disregarded;-Viien the evils of th e present system were fully Uisclosed to their view, it was impossible that they could.contiolte, No rational people would suffer .them to 1 - 4‘e a long duration. He would remind the Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Tamworth, of the lan gaa,ge he adopted when he met that House . after it had been dissolved in 1834. The Right Hon. Baronet had spoken a vast deal about the prero g ative ; it was a theme that was ever in the mouth of the Right Hon. Baronet whenever it was brought Under' the considera tion of the House, and he (Mr. Waklef)thou t that it was a subject which should be treated With - greatest ~,4respect wh e n di sc ussed before that house. lowever, it was strange that so much attention was bestowed on the prerogative in one point of view, and so little in another. If the pe o pl e p erce i ve d that when the right of appeal of the House, or the executive to the Crown, was to be made in their behalf, it was impossible to obtain the exercise of the prerogative ; and when they saw at the same time that in the case of appeals made by particular parties in that House, the prerogative could be exercised at plea sure —as, for instance, when the Right Hon. Baronet called on the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies, to state what the Crown intended doing, they would' say that the Crown was placed in the hauls of the great factions ; and they might begin to think that they were paying too much for that state of things—that it was too dear an entertainment. For his (Mr. Wakley's) part, he should wi s h t o see . a dissolution of Parliament every month, or at least every year, until the condition of the people was bettered, and they were more truly re presented in that House. The Right Hon. Baronet had been very stingy in his statements of what he would do when -in office. That might be a very sagacious course ; it - was at all events a very convenient one. The Right Hon. Baronet alluded to the offers which he had made, and which should not be lightly rejected. HQ said be offered a prospect of continued peace—he offered reduced estimates (that was a most important offer)—(Hear, hear)—he offered re form of the ecclesiastical law—settlement of the tithe question in Ireland—commutation of the tithes in Eng land—removal of any real abuses in the Church of which the Dissenters complained. The Right Hon. Gentle man said he offered also to advance soberly and cau tiously . (no doubt of that) progressive improvement. Was there any more to promise ? If the Right Hon. Baronet could make so many promises in 1835 was the stock of promises exhausted now ? If they were ex hausted what was the use of his coming into office ? The Right Hon. Baronet was more useful in opposition, for he kept a wary eye on those who were opposed to him. The Right Hon. Baronet talked of his supporting the Government, but he (Mr. W.) though that he had sup ported GovernMent when they least deserved it, In 1834 the Poor-law Bill passed through that House, not becaUse the Right lion. Baronet opposed but supported the Government. The Noble Lord (the Member for North Lancashire) was now ready to take office with the Right Hon. Baronet, vet what was the language of the Noble Lord• in the speech which he (Mr. Wakley) had already quoted. He said he was confident that no re presentative of any Administration could either i , .., -asure ( or endanger, after the passing of that great ir- --'Peuthee Reform Bill) the c o urse of compr e h en "' . .ve and s a l utar to be m a d e t o the country, reform. f e r n . \ a ‘ p ,: i t - i k e i a e l y) was w goer l,iti e i •to know what that system of reform was- was it to he a sliding system ? (Hear, bear) Wore they 1.. `7, take the Irish Registration Bill as a specimen of . that sytte nt o f reform. g ßut that Bill was ttlaught, by 1111111,Y competent to judge of the matter, most ho4til# IA the principle of reform. There ought, he thlmght„ to be no concealment in a public man in await tk pos;t;on as the Right Hon. Baronet was, as to "Olatt n-ere his intentions, The Right Hon: Baronet ex presses higtaeleltoStile to the Ballot, a measure which • the MT - As iAf the people wished to see carried. He had 4111Da5.0 that measure without any reserve whatever ; but . at the same time the Right . llon. Gentleman said he had got a system of reforkt‘ or his own, in order to judge of that systen,l:o (;fir, Waldoy) thought they ought to hav,e 3 1 i cic4n,ils. wina the appeal was made to the coun -1 try, he hOped that pnbllc men would be honest in ,` cke.claratims, at the • hustings. He fearer] ' nik s ioa would not be attended t,' -Len' tits admo .,-; but he de 'lave the honour of a ...tad exercise his industry in no declarations of public men at the • —.comparing them with the votes and speeches douse, and let them be friends or foes, he should ne - the first to charge them with inconsistency if they de served it. With regard to the Poor-law, many persons had said to him that they could point out several Mem bers who on the hustings spoke in favour of the repeal of that law, and in the House voted for the continuance of it. The Right Hon. Baronet had never (as we under stood) said one word against the Poor-law in public. Sir R. PEEL said that he stated the modifications which he proposed having made in the law, at the same time he stated he would support the principle of the law with certain modifications. o;*ed% if he should again ' seat in, that House, he iCil3 4 g what were 0 hustings, ar-` in th^ Mr. LABOUCHERE thought that the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet contained more serious charges against the Government than he had hitherto made. The Right Hon. Gentleman had charged his (Mr. Labou- chere's) Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Ex chequer with having a fair-weather budget and a foul- weather budget. He (Mr. Labouchere) would answer that charge by stating that he knew from personal as well as .official acquaintance with his Right Hon. Friend that the statement which his Right Hon. Friend had made, and the system he proposed were entertained by him from the beginning of the session. He (Mr. Labouchere) knew that his Right Honourable Friend had all along never departed from the opinion that it was the duty of Government, when the time for the financial statement of the present year should come, to propose that that statement should be founded not en new taxes—not on a loan—but on an arrangement of such a chahge of duties as would meet the financial diffi culties of the country, and, at the same time, afford relief to the people and to the manufacturing interests. There was another charge against the Government, which the Right Hon. Gentleman made, and which he (Mr. L.) thought was one of a very grave description, and equally unfounded as the former one. The Right Hon. Baronet said that it was strange enough that the Chancellor of the Exchequer should come down to the Honse to move the Sugar duties Bill, and go on in the usual way, and that nothing should be said as to a dissolution until he (Sir R. Peel) had moved his resolution. It must have been the impression of the Right Hon. Baronet that the Government, after the defeat they sustained on the sugar duties, meant to retain office without an appeal to the country—that must have been his impression since he had moved the resolution which had lately been decided. But he (Mr. L.) could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that the course of the Government had been decided on long previous to the time when he (Sir R. Peel) gave notice of his motion. The Right Hon. Member stated, if that was the case—if their measures had been so long prepared, it was their duty to have mentioned it. But it was necessary for the Government to wait for that pe riod of the session when the financial statement was usually made before Parliament, from which the Go vernment would not be justified in disconnecting those measures. The Right Hon. Baronet had also repeated on the present occasion what he (Mr. L.) had heard before. The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to suppose that those measures brought forward by the Government were founded altogether on the Report of the Import Duties. Committee. He (Mr. L.) spoke with all respect for that Committee. Their labours had been most useful, and the circulation of that Report through the country had done more to call attention to the facts of the sub ject than any other document that was ever published. At the same time he must deny that any discovery was made by that Committee. With respect to the timber duties, a measure identical with that was proposed by Lord Althorp some six or seven years ago; and since that time the principle of the measure had obtained the sanction of a Committee of the House of Commons. With respect to the Corn-laws, the Right Honour able Gentleman seemed to think that the measure of the Government was quite a sudden thought. During the debate last Session on that subject, the Right Hon. Baronet might recollect that he (Mr. Labouchere) had stated a fixed duty was the best system which could be adopted, with a due regard to those interests which were involved in the subject; and that with respect to the amount of duty, it might be fixed very fairly at Bs. Bd. The Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies had also, on the discussion of the subject last Session, stated he was in favour of a moderate fixed duty; and if the House should resolve itself into a Committee on the sub ject, that either the Noble Lord himself, or he (Mr. La bouchere) would move a resolution for a fixed duty. There were several indications that both he (Mr. La bouchere), and the Noble Lord the; Secretary for the Colonies, were of the same opinion as to the principle. Mr. Huskisson, too, had introduced a measure which went further than the present one, and was so far a better one. He would ask the House to consider the course taken by the Government in the present Session with respect to matters of trade. That course, whether right or wrong, had at least been directed not by the pressure of 1 party difficulty at a particular time, but by genera l f ee li ng. They said that it was for the interest of the country dur ing the present Session to reform the whole of our com mercial system.—(Hear, hear.) What measure had he given notice of the first day of the Session ? He had looked forward to the sugar duties, but he had felt it necessary first to put the East Indies on the same foot ing as the West Indies, and with that view lie had ii g i th wast forward necessary and just, i l f tu h m e ß i i o ll t . end H od e f t e o lt alsu that deal hisE brought with the question of the sugar du • ties, to relieve the West India planters, from the duties of which they had so often complained.—(Hear.) With that object lie . had brought in the Colonial Duties Bill, which had re ceived the sanction of the House, but which he extremr2.-, regretted the state of the business of the Session would prevent his bringing to a satisfactory eeliclusion these things because He th oug h t i t necessary to star. e because he heard it stated that the " taovernment had brought forward these measures in A state of despair. He could conceive no graver chttrge against a Govern ment, and being conscious that the present GovernMent did net deserve that chasate, he was surprised that any gentleman who had watched their proceedings could en tertain such an opinion.'--(Cries of " Hear, hear.") He had atated that it was their intention to make Most important changes in the commercial policy of the country. They had introduced measures relating to the ruin duties, • colonial duties, timber and sugar, but they had intended not to stop there.—(Hear, hear.) It was his intention, whoa the Customs Bill of the year was brought in, to have proposed such alteration in the duties as he as Qanvineed, if carried into effect, must have had the most important results on the commerce of the coun try.—(Hear, hear.) It was on the same feelings and principle that the other measures were founded. What was the state of things ? They saw the country divid ing itself ine, two, great parties : on the one side, the great nyoteptkve interests bonded together ; and on tha cAq., 4 iaerehants, manufacturers, and the grey: body P ow industrious people of the country, Ile confessed he uuuld not contemplate such a Oate etthings without a . latm He thought that a' a '4 party contention wouicl kw. as nothing if that fearfu l stru gg le should tal it a, p i g " without an z , attympt on the part of the Ckw,;ex:lo,p4t (11 , Parliament to interpose and rest: 3 ).7'9 ttralaor,con - by the only means, 16y•wiaivii they could be re ' stored, by raeast ll :o c 4• tuiraegs and justice .—(Cheers.) . ( .) It,ut Iv:, denied th at th e Government had taken an exa treme course on this occasion. — (Hear , hear.) 4 4 al lowed that such conduct woul d be unwort hy of a' Go vernment, but was there the simplest pret,ext, for saying MORNING EDTTION. tacit had lxx n their course ?—(lker, he tr.) He asked was it not ludicrous to hear the Measures. they proposed styled extreme measures, whe:t they left on the sugar duties a protection of 50 per cent., on the timber duties a still higher protection to cur colonies, and on the Corn-laws a protection of Bs. a quarter for the benefit of the landed interests ?—(" Hear, hear," and cheers.) It was extraordinary, th.erefore, that Gentlemen should say that these measures were proposed for the sake of ex citement, and were not honest bona fide attempts to, u le gislate on questions which cou ld no l onger b e left n legislated on without producing the worst effects on The Community.—(Cheers:) The - Right Hon. Gentleman liad . said that -he (Mr. Labouchere) had never attended to the Import Duties Committee. That was quite true. That Committee sat at a late period of the session, when he (Mr. Labouchere) was on fouCother Committees., and when it was, therefore, utterly impossible that he could attend ; but two members of the Government had Constantly attended, one bein. , a Lord of the Treasury, and the other the Right Iron. the Paymaster of the Forces. It could not, therefore, be said that the Com- mittee was abandoned on the part of the .Government.— (Hear, hear.) The arguments of the Hon. Gentleman with respect to the Committees were somewhat contra dictory. When he brought forward the India Rum Bilk he was taunted for acting against the opinions of a Com-. mittee ; but now that he brought forward a measure ;I n the spirit of the resolutions of the Import Duties Committee, he was taunted with having no o pini on of his own upon the subject.—(Hear, hear; ) lie had always followed the same course with rea ard to Commit tees. Thinking there was sufficient 'otirc' es of informa tion in his own office, he had tever moved for a Com mittee, but if any independent Member of that House aviihed one he had never opposed it. He had always given the Reports of Committees the most attentive con sideration, but he had never felt himself bound by them. He did not now think it necessary to trouble the - House at greater length, as his sole object in rising was to re pel some attacks from the Right Hon. Gentleman, and to vindicate the course pursued by the Govermyrent. Colonel SIBTHORP said it would ar„;pear very rat-. make any chame againo any proper for any Member of his aide of the House t,. ) Member of the G ~,, rm . mont. tle had opinion of the Chancellor ,- .. , ( A .e ..e E x .. Ex chequer 4 ,;), his financial or any obher e" it). He iiniie shared in the OpirliC4l9 of the Riot- • . 4 ' ac .. l man (Sir R. Peel), It was his or' r ation that the Go vernment had never done anyth; - ..t , Hon. Gent e nity of the Crown, the char , -lig to promote the dig welfare of the people. '- -...cter of the country, or the to evade mease rfe had seen a const a nt attempt one Orders ....es. There were no less than thirty their ' • ' ss; the Day then on the papers, and among - --sse observed one introduced at the eleventh hour, to which he would never give his consent—he meant the Noble Lord's Bill to prevent bribery at elections. The Government exercised corruption privately, and' then. let them not charge Gentlemen on that side with it. De had often asked them to define what bribery was. Was it meant by this Bill to prevent the exercise of the common charities of life ?--(Hear.) If he understood what the Government meant, he believed these measures were brought forward to produce excite ment and agitation, to enable them to effect their pur poses. Were they now to abandon upwards of four mil lion of money to the hands of such a Government ? hi believed the matters of Mr. Vizard and Dr. Bowring, i-_,, which he had taken the sense of the House, to be *Jere obs. He was prepared to tell his constituents , w h om he hoped he should shortly meet on the hustie:,gs, that a more profligate, a more dangerous, a mor' idle and in efficient Administration never existed. .Yle spoke politi cally only, fur het'lieved the Chancello7 ; of the Exchequer was an es:..&tient man out of the I . lo 7ase. He wished to ask ..s ...se Chancellor of the E7..ehequer what was the particular sum he asked f.for in this vote of credit ? If he \ were satisfied that no portion of it would go in payment of Mr. Vizard and Or. Bowring, he would not object to it, but otherwise he should vote against it. He came. down determined to take the sense of the House against the amount granted year after year to Dr. Bowring, but he feared he must postpone it until he had again the honour of appearing at that table.—(Laughter.) He believed the lti?:ht Hon. Gentleman (Sir R. Peel) was the only man in the present crisis that could save the country. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Gallant Officer must be aware that the. warrant for payment of 1)r. Bowring was already issued and paid out of the vote of last year. With regard to the Esti mates it was perfectly competent for the Gallant Officer, if he should not retire from public life, in any future session to make the speeches he was so fond of indulging himself in on the subject.—(Laughter.) He hoped the House would permit him to allude to the statements of the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert Peel). - He was satisfied that the Right Hon. Baronet had withdrawn his imputations with respect to the Budget, but since he had been in the House he had received communica tions from Gentlemen on the opposite side, stating that the Right Hon. Baronet was in possession of informa tion respecting the Queen's Speech which proved those imputations. He took it for granted that the Right Hon. Baronet would withdraw the statement also. Statements of this kind grew more and more particular. Sir ROBERT PEEL said he had not the slightest information on the subject ; he had never heard any one suppose that he had any private information respecting the Queen's speech. He had not said that his statements were founded on private information, and he had no such information. The moment he heard the Noble Lord state that his surmises were erroneous, he had withdrawn the charge.—(Hear, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was perfectly satisfied with the explanation, but the cue withdrawn was not the only statement of the Right Hon. Baronet which was erroneous. He had., seen a statement made by the Right Hon. Baronet which had filled him with great surprise, and which the Right Hon. Baronet would have an opp&tnnity of - setting right in a Committee of Supply, and which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was anxious to give him an opportunity of explaining. The Right lion. Baronet had stated that airline the time he was in office he (the Chancellor of the exchequer) would find that they had left a sur plus of two millions, , that they had reduced the national debt in three years by twenty millions, that they had reduced the interest of the national debt by one • million more ; but now there was a deficit of t;pwards of seven millions created by him (the Chancellor of the Exchequer). Now, first, as to the statement as to the two millions surplus ; that was not correct. It was quite true that the last year the Right lion. Baronet NI as in office he had a surplus revenue to a considerable amount, but he spent it.—(Hear, hear.) Ile took off taxes, and his own Chancellor of the Exchequer was taunted in the House, and told that so far from leaving a surplus he had: left' a deficiency of 300,0001. That was not quite Cor rect ; but the Right Hon. Gentleman admitted that-he did not leave two millions,. but said he believed the sur plus wa5 . 1,600,000/. The Right lion. ,Gentleman, in a subsequent budget, lost several taxes, and commuted others. When Lord Spencer came forward with his bud get, he had occasion to state what the Right Hon Gentle man had left'him to spend. It was then his interest to. state it as high as possible, and he stated it to be 300,000 k. If they put it at 500;0001. they would exceed the surphere left, so that he believed the Right Hon. Baronet saw • a little double-with regard to this subject.—(Hear, hear.l The next question was with regard to the 26,000,00P: e of debt, which the Right Hon. Gentleman said he had re duced. This was not quite correct nor quite incorrect. It was quite true that the amount of the capital of the national debt was reduced by the Right flora Gentle man's GovernMent, but 10,000,000/. Of that was con verted into terminable annuities. - No doubt that was a. good arrangement, but was he to -he told that the debt: was paid off by it.?—(Hear, le . ;ar.) Again the Right Hon. Gentleman stated that the annual payment on ac count of the national debt was reduced a million. He should like to hear the Right Honourable Gentle man's figures.—(Hear, hear.) The third statement. with respect to the deficiency was equally incorrect.. He had last year received 2,400,000/. for the duty 131111 corn. But taking the average received by the revolt/7,e upon corn sines the present law had come into opera ,ion it did not amount to more than 500,0001. It should be observed that in various years the duty on malt end the duty upon corn counterbalanced each - other. If there was a large return from corn, there would he a dimi nished duty on malt. The average returns from both/ amounted to 5,560,0001., except in the year 18:38, whiclu was a remarkable year. It was a year . in which eatTos had been a considerable importation of corn, but the price was so high that it had been_ introduced at a very low rate,. and, consequently, he lost that year the duty teem corn as well as the duty upon malt.—(Hear, hear.) lEw ' believed that under the proposed altration he. would receive a duty of 900,000/. a year. : Sir R. PEEL said that the chary .e he hs4 to m a k e was thusame as that which he lie e ( e rgedin the debate on the Sugar Dudes Bill. His 'charge against the Go vernment was that after five 'years they had left a the sum of defi ciency of 7,600,000/. The estimatededeficieeey during The deficiencies during the present year was 2, 4 :00,000/. the four preceding yaare amounted to-s,itiysoo/., and if llad h l a u d i d accumulated c s u u i r n p u l l u a s t e o d f to that 2,400,000/. 7,566,000/. It was, t rue they had begun with a surplus, p a lus la f t: l ; I of 1,961,0001., p` , • bringing rdevbeeenune. 1,8.62,000/., P . .oCt that in Igr7iotr they y i . a .defi e iq Ti at ,i. 1 ,1 t 7, s s i o n l c ), e o() ) l h . t , andhatdhe h f:o g r i i i n n er w s it t h i r efiaier,cY e) o . n l y indicated a more alarm tr!et: ► d A e n fi de I.;eshUiergwer;;N:;.tatt.s.aslit3eilaioi,:cfirlrefo:a-I,.lialtlit:oli l e id. i: n i:l - sy , ( oa ' ti ir)it. e r ; ta l ,xi a n,, e d i ; net ( d : gn a e i r d do s ii i iti. t ll t i h rt 's . ‘ ,ll, r eo l ( i i ' ra e i adm : il al e thisattra a tei against then w. the finances. . Mr. HERMES was surprised at the statement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He could not deny the fact that during the last five years there had been a con tinually increasing deficiency, which had at length amou nted to seven millions and a half, b ut b ecause in eehal to challenged that 1835 why former years there had been a surplus w hi c h h a d b een s d l i i s r p p7u st s .d a ( s )f t a he se l t t -ft i o gh l t Hlfoll they Gentleman.nt back c might they not go back to Lord Grey's Administration, anti say that because there was a. surplus during that Administration therefore they had a right to claim that as a set off ? Lord Althorp had handed over a surplus. to Lord Monteagle, which had been sufficient to keep up a surplus during the first two years of the present Admi nistration, and which proved the better administration. of the finances of Lord Althorp during the time he had. been in oXtee. The surplus under Lord Grey's Adminis tration amounted to six millions and a half, and if that was added to the surplus of two millions and a half handed over tiv Lord Althorp to; Lord Monteagle, and if they elaimea that as a set-off againSt the present defi ciene4 a seven millions and.a half only, instead of a de lletereay they would at that moment be entitled to take credit for a surplus. But what would. the natioresay to such a statement of accounts ? Would they be inclined to admit that there was no cause of alarm from the defie ciencies of the last five years, because, during the pee vious twenty years there had been a surplus . ? H e had made a statement a few nights ago to which he had ex pected the Chancellor of the Exchequer would have paid 'some attention. lle had. been contrasting the fi nanc i a l administration of the last .few years with the previous. administration, oh the since finance s - the peace. By thou .0 •