The Sun. — London, England, 1848-05-31 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF 1.01?DS, May 30 . The LORD CILiNCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool• sack at Fivo Lord BROUGHAM presented petitions from Stran raer in favour of the Scotch Entail Bill ; from Lanark in favour of the Free Church Sites Bill; from several places in'fayour of the J ewi s Diisabilits Bill; ment i and from some places in Ireland, prayg for an amendn the Irish Po , ir-law. The Bishop rif 'NORWICH prevented several p ti ins praying for a repeal of the legacy duties on be ti left to charities. The Earl of EGLINTON presented several petitions fr ,, in parochial 'authorities in Scotland against the Scotch ttelistration Bill ; also some petitions against the B ink Charter Aot of 1844. The Earl of FITZ WILLIAM presented a petition from Ar lrachan, pra,yirg for an alteration in the poor laws of Ireland". The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from some ph .ce in'Yorkshire against the admit)ion of Jews into Parliament, POOR-LAWS (IRELAND). The Earl orLEICAN m wed thet a Select Committee be appointed to inquire into the operation and adminis tration of the poor-law in Ireland. He was surprised that her MajestY'e 'Goveenment should have refused to bring in any measure to mitieate the severity of that Act, which pre4sed most harshly upon certain indivi duals. fie tied therefore gloved for this Committee; but he proposed to chnfine the inquiry to be instituted to the operation of the law as it affects& lessors. He did not want to get rid of the rating of immediate lessors, but be thought that either persons ought not to be rated. Such a course:would prevent the infinite subdivision of land which was so injurious to Ireland. Atter a few further observations the Noble Lord concluded by moving for the appointment of the Committee. The Mervis of LANSDOWNE was sorry to oppose the motion, but he understood a case had been prepared involving some of the questions alluded to by the Noble Earl as to the present mode of rating. and it would shortly be decided by a court of law. Until that deci sion had been come to, he did not see how their Lord ships could take any step in the matter. He advised the Rouse, thereforeeto - eefuse the motion. Earl FITZ WILLIAM supported the motion. The Noble Earl, whose observations were imperfectly audible, was understood to complain of the great increase in the expense of supporting the poor in Ireland. He conjured I the Government to adopt some system of colonization which should assist in relieving the rates. They had waste lands at one end of the world, and waste hands at the other, and why not adopt some system which should brine those two great elements of production together?—(Hear, hear.) This was a matter re quiring immediate consideration. This yea then desire to emigrate was not as great as last year, andf waited until next year it would possibly have disap peared altogether. Earl GREY deprecated the discussion of so large a question. us colonization, on a mer e restriuctedof motion To le r inquiry into certain proceedings arising ot the wor . - ing of the Volr-laws. He complained of the fallacy In volved in hi.4Noble Friend's obse rvations, namely, that it was in tree power of any Government to dispense prosperity and happiness among the people. Prosperity m ust come from the ind ustr y of the people, and the development of the national resources. That de velopment could not come without security, and Govern ment had performed its task in restoring security and suppressing crime throughout 'reined. As to emigra tion, if the people practised industry at home, there would be no necessity for deportation ; while, if they we re sent away without s ome capital, nothing but mis fortune must be the result. In a few days he would lay upon the table , further papers relative to emigration, and be would at the same time tike the opportunity of en teeing at length into the views of the Government on that important subject. He believed that the poor-law in Ireland was on the while working better than could have been expected. He did not see that a sufficient case had been made out for the motion of the Noble Earl. Lord STUART DE DECIES took occasion to ex press his regret that more attention was not paid in Parliament to the wishes of the Irish people as ex pressed through their representatives. Those «ishes had been expressed explicitly on the motion of the Hon. Member for Portarlington; and he (Lord Stuart de D-cies) had reason to know that the rejection of that motion had done more to advance the cause of repeal than all the exertions of its most strenuous advocates. — (Hear, hear.) Having entered into some details as to the working of the poor-law, the Noble Lord concluded by stating that he should vote for the Noble Esrl's motion unless Government promised an early and search ing inquiry into the whole scope, tenor, and operation of the Irish poorltw. Lord BEAUMONT considered that a good ground for inquiry had been made out. ISe Earl of DEVON was opposed to immediate in quiries, seeing that legal steps were pending in another place; but he hoped that before long a full and searching inquiry would'be conceded by Government. The Noble Earl near him (Earl Grey) had told them that on the whole the poor-law worked well. That td.ght be true, bet he (Earl -of Devon) could state of his own knowledge that in some parts of Ireland it was tar from successful in its operation. Lord CAMPBELL opposed the motion. Lord MON rEAGLE supported the motion. He did not care about the individual grievance, but here was an important law containing confessedly a serious grievance; that grievance caused general discontent, and it was thsrefore. he conceived, the duty of that 'louse to grant an immediateinvestigation. As a friend of the union, as a feiend of Britieh connexion, he dared not vote against this inquiry.—(Hear.) The Marquis of CLANRICARDE could not see that there was any necessity for a Committee of Inquiry. If the intention of the Poor-law Act was not clearly made out as regarded lessors, the best remedy would be a short Bill to remnse misconception. If they were to have in quiry, let it be general, and not confined to a mere point of detail. The House divided, when there appeared— FOr - the :notion. .. 33 Against it • . Majority —6 The motion was consequently carried . against the Go vernment. ADDRESS., OF CONDOLENCE TO HER MA JESTY. The Marquis of LANSI)OWNE moved that an humble eddress be presented to her Majesty condoling with her Majesty on the loss sustained by the Rupil Family in the death of the Princess Sophia. Lord STANLEY said there would be only one opi nion on the subject—namely, that the virtues of her late Royal Highness would occasion her loss to be very se,erely felt. The motion was then unanimously agreed to. EVICTED TENANTS (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of CLANillq;AlloE, in moving the second reading of this Bill, entered into a statement of its objects and provisions, which have already formed the subject of several discussions in the other House, when the Bill wis introduced. Lard MONTEAGLE said that he had no objection to Ow objects proposed to bo at: sine I by the Bill, but so long as the Irish tenor-law was in ,existence the proposed measure wield offer the mos'. inseperabl , difficulties to tue effectual operation of the existing law, and would resider it wholly inoperative. If he had been rightly infr.rrned the gentleman whose imputed conduct had mainly given rise to the Bill was wholly ignorant of the c ireueestances which had taken place in evicting tenatits, on his prop-rty, in Galway; and Set he hail been struck off the commission of the peace, without having had an opportunity of denying them. In fact, he had the n au thority of the Lerd-Lientenant of Mr. B; innocent occ the au thoritY of' the Lord'Lieutsnint (1 Mr. Biake's cou tn for asserting that t h a t gentleroan wa s quite the facts imputed to him. Their Lordships ought, there fore, to guard themselves against adopting genera l measures founded on two cases, one of which had been denied to have any foundation in truth. The Bill would introduce the greatest confusion into the administration of the poor-law in Ireland. and he must offer is the strongest opposi t i on • For the objects soug , t bu to t be attained by the Bill he had great sympathy, let them be attained by the regular operation of the poor-laws, and not by a measure which would derange altogether the system of relief now in force in Ireland, and be equally applicable to the class of persons con templated by the Bill as to all other poor and destitute persons. The Earl of GLENGALL vindicated Mr. Blake from haiing participated in the evictions which were ac knowledged to have mainly given rise to the present measure. At the same time, it was to be observed that Mr. Blake had not given so clear an explanation of the circumstances to the Irish Secretary as would hare exculpated him from participation in the out rages imputed to him. As for the Bill itself he was opposed to it, for if it passed in its present shape, it appeared to him that every transaction in Ireland con nected with the letting of lend must of necessity come under the cognisance and control of the poor-law guar dians there. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE briefly defended the Bill, and justified its provisions against the objection urged by the two Noble Lords who had opposed it. The Bill was then read a second time. Tne Ruse adjourned at a Quarter to Ten o'clock to Friday next. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 30. The SPEAKER took thp Chair at Four o'clock. REPORTS. The folbwing reportssWroconiidered and agreed to: E Ist Lincolnshire Railway (Alteration of Great Grimsby Branch). Edinburgh and Glasciw Railway (No. I—Amend ment of Acts and Braichei, &c.) Great North,rn Railway of Axholme ExtenAion). Greet Western Railway (Extension of the Berks and Hants R tilway from nungerford to Westb ur y, w ith a Brinell to Devizes). Leech Central Railway London and BtaAartil [Lail way Improvement, and Branches to the St. Katharine a and London Decks. Low'v. Patent. Norfolk Railway (Amendment of Acts and Extension of Thug for er , minilein.(27. R edham and Diss Branches). North and South Western (Harrow to Brent. ford). North Western Railway (D:veriions at Skipton, ats terton, and S- burgh). Salisbury and Yeovit Railway. Sterling and I)unferiolinq Railway (Amendment and Deviations). Strathtay and Breada!bane Fxtension Railway. Oxford, Woreesier, and Wok erhumpton Railway (No. 2—Deviation of L no, and Power to Shrewsbury and Birmingham, and Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Dudley RJ.iiway Compauits to contribute and u.ake Arrangements). The following Bill was read a third tinse::-- THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY 3 was sure that the House would never prevent inquiry into a subject of such importance if the slightest neces sity for it was only shown. The Noble Lord concluded by submitting the motion of which he had given notice. Sir DE L. EVANS seconded the motion. He re gretted that his Hon. Friend near him who presented a petition on this subject intended to oppose the motion on the ground that it was not desirable to interfere with the freedom of labour. But he did not think that any principle was so string ent that it might not admit an exception. They had already interfered with the prin ciple of the freedom of labour in the Factory Bill, and he had not heard that it had been folloaed by any evil con sequences. Sir G. GREY said he was sure there was no indispo sition on the part o f the House to listen to the com plaints and grievan ces of the workin g classes, and to apply a remedy if t he case was of u p c p h o ad mit ofpractical legis lation with' res p ect to it. He re g rett e d, s ase nature the motion f h is Noble of were however,obl e that e Friend f ol not, in his felt c )hml this ground, l l rd, that the evils com plainedo• d to oppose susceptible of any legislative remedy, and ho was confirmed in that opinion by the fact that neither hit Noble Friend nor the Honourable and Gallant Member had suggeeted any. He hid steted that as hiteepi nion twee months ego, wh• a his Noble Friend and the lion. Member for Finsbury accompanied a deputation of bakers to him. He suggested that the evils complained of afforded matter rather for sanitary regulation than legislative interference. That suggestion was taken up by the Sanitary Commission, of which his Noble Friend was a member. The evidence of Dr. Guy was given before that Commission, which was still sitting; and he would ask whether it would not be better that that Com mission should continue the inquiry which they had commenced ? When the evidence was complete his Noble Friend could then embody in a Bill whatever he thought necessary to remedy the evils which he had brought before the House. If a Committee of that House were appointed, they could do nothing more, he apprehended, than hear the same evidence, which was given before the Sanitary Commission. He would ob ject to the motion, also, on the ground that to grant a Committee would imply an opinion that some legislative remedy was possible,—(Cheers.) He thought that if they granted a Committee, they would be only practising a de lusion on the journeymen bakers, set ing that any legis lative remedy to remove the grievances alleged was im possible. If they granted this Committee, then the knife grinders of Sheffield, and the compositors, and many other classes of operatives, would come to the House and 'salt for interference in their cases.—(Hear, hear.) He thought that the only practical remedy was, that the masters and journeymen bakers should come to some agreement amongst themselves.—(llear, hear.) Mr. STAFFORD did not think the arguments of the Right Hon. Gentleman, although they might convince a majority of that House, would convince the working classes out of doors that their interests were properly attended to within it. Although they might not be able to .stegest any remedy for the evils complained of, by granting a Committee they would show, at least, to the working classes that they were ready to inquire into the subject, and to listen to what they could suggest in the shape ot a cure. The Right Hoe. Gentleman said that the Sanitary Commission might inquire into the subject. But he (Mr. Stafferd) did not think that they had any power to inquire into the hours of labour. They had already interfered with good eff ct, as he believed, be tween employers and employed in the case of factory labour, and in the case of the coalwhippers. This Com mittee, if granted, would neither be a tedious nor an ex pensive one, and it would show to the working classes that that House was willing to attend to their complaints.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. LABOLCHERE he would not yield to the Hon. Gentleman who had just spoken in his desire to ettend to the interests of the working classes, but he be lieved that they would only be practising a delusion upon them if they were to grant the Committee asked for. It they were to impose restriction on adult labour in one case, others would soon come forward with equally strong claims.—(Hear, hear.) The fustian cut ters and others who suffered under great hardships would press their claims open them. He admitted that it was possible and tolerable to interfere, as in the case of fac tories, where labourers were collected together in great numbers ; but it was impossible and intolerable to apply that minute inspection and supervision which would be necessary to make any measure of this kind at all effi cient where the workmen were scattered over a large , ,urface, and living in private houses.—(llettr, hear.). That objection he considend to be fatal to the motion. The case of the coalwhippers was not analogous, because they were well organized, and minute supervision was not necessary ; and, above all, there was no attempt to limit the hours of working.—(Hear, hear.) He con• fessed that he was glad that the opposition which he gave to the Cealwhippers Bill was not successful. Mr. M. MILNES thought that when the relations between labour and capital were exciting such interest at the present time, they ought to be cautious how they interposed any theory, however probable, between de mands supported by any large class of the community. lie thought that the very fact of intelligent men sitting upon these Committees and answering the proposals of working men would, of itself, produce a groat benefit. 'they should not decide the present motion by the re sults that were likely to follow from the Committee. thought the House would act wisely by granting the Committee. Mr. HUME thought her Majesty's Government had taken the best course with respect to the question. If the Howe was nut to decide the present question, in the hope of any beet ficial result, what was the use of going into Committee? The Honourable Gentleman who bad Just sat down was lately in Paris, and he was afraid he had there imbibed some of Louis Blanc's principles.— (Laueliter.) But he would put it to his Hon. s fiend whether what was now taking place in Paris was not sufficient to prevent them from trying to do by re tail what was doing in that city by wholesale? He admitted that the bakers were suffering certain evils, and he should wish to sec them removed. But he saw no means of applying a remedy. The Noble Lord said that laboer was not represented. That was precisely what he (4r. Hume) complained of, and he should like to see a baker in that House to express his opinions on the subject. But while the master and the journeymen bakers were nt pertect liberty to mike their own arrange ments, he did nut see the' the Legislature could inter fere, except to do injury. Let the working men be put on an equll footing with other members of the noin munity—let no advantage be given to one over another —and then let all compete on equal terms.—(Hear.) Lord INGES rRE said he was no tollowt-r of Louis Blanc, but he thought he was only advocating a just cause in supporting the mo ti in of the Noble Lord. lle thought it was their bound en dut y , as re p resentatives of the people. to attend to the grievances of which any portion of them complained. He confessed he saw too great a disp sition to attend to the interests of capital, to the neglect ot the interests of labour.—(Hear, hear.) Sir B. HALL said he should also have great pleasure in supporting this motion. The Hon. Member for Mon trose seemed to say that he would never do justice to the journeymen bakers until halt . -a-dozen of them had seats in Parliamen'.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) It was said leave the question to the Sanitary Commission. He had, however, far greater confidence in a Committee of that House, arid he preferred it as a tribunal to consider and report upon this question. Mr. GLADSTONE said, pointed reference having been made to the Ceatwhippers Act, he was desirous of making a few observations. The intent of the Act was to prevent publicans from acting as agents for the hiring of coalwhippers, and thereby to prevent the continuance of a system that was very demoralising to the men. The measure went no further in re: sport ot interference, and consequently it afforded uo precedent whatever for a proposal like the present. To that proposal, therefore, he should offer decided opposition. At the same thse he hoped the labour of his Noble Friend would not be thrown away, and teat arrangements such as justice and humanity required would be made among the. master bakers themselves. The appointment of a Committee, however, could lead to no good result, and would only raise expectations which there might be a difficulty in satisfying. Lord D. STUART said if the House granted a Corn mitten a series of unexampled facts would be laid before it. Believing that the Committee would do great good, by collecting such information, he should vote fur it. Mr. DUNCAN supported the motion. Captain PECHELL said that thirteen years ago he had had the satisfaction to put upon the statute book a measure to relieve the bakers from labour upon Sundays. On the same principles on which he then acted he should support the motion now before them. Colonel THOMPSON said he felt in a sort of dilemma resvecting such a motion as this, but the principle always acted on was, that engagements must be kept. In his intercourse with the working classes he had always told them that no good results were to be expected from motions of this sort, but that if they desired such inquiries they were entitled to them. He should act on that principle on this occasion. Lord R. GROSVENOR replied, and expressed a hope that, notwithstanding the unfortunate opposition of the Government, he sheuld still have a mejority. The House divided, when there appeared— For the motion 43 Against it Majority —l3 ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS. Mr. BOUVERIE then rose to bring forward his rno-; tion respecting the Ecclesiastical Courts of England and Wales. The Hun. Member said he hoped to satisfy the House that tbese courts were a scandal and a disgrace to our law. lie felt strongly impressed with the im policy of allowing these abuses to remain unremedied, no of e tl= r ) e le rna s i ;s e t ( e l nt. and ttutt open lnquiry sweeping e thepin g cot? subject deta w n as useless, because it was exhausted. In the reign of George the Y'urth a commission was appointed to exit.- mine the subject; it consisted of the late Archbishop of , Carits.rbury, the late Bishop of Durham, the Bishop of ' London, Lord Tenterden, Dr. Lushington, and others. After a labotious inquiry they made a copious and able report. In 1833 another commission was appointed to inquire into the testamentary part of the subject In the same year a Committee of that House sat upon an other part of the question. All these Commissions re pined, but all the abus' a they deprecated still existed. Attempts had been made to remedy some of the evils, but wiih nu substantial rffvct. Various Bills intr— duced had passed through different stages, but had all met with an untimely end. Probably the reason was that they did not go far enough— that they attempted to conciliate two incompatible interests; and that, cunse . quently, whilst they offended many they obtained no active surport from the great body of the public. His object novr was to induce the Government to take up the question on a large scale. Nothing short of era dication would sufficiently deal with the veils now exist ing iu an se courts. The law administered in these courts was of such a nature and extent, that the highest judicial tribunal in the realm, only three months ago, declared its utter inability to say what that law was; and as to the composition of the courts, it was both, Bristi.l and Exeter Railway (Glastonbury Navigation and Canal Purchase). 1 RE.CONIMITTALS . The following Bills were re-committed: — Bristol and Exeter (Taunton and Castlecary). Bristol and Exeter (Biesdon to Wells ditto). Exeter, Yeovil, and Dorchester. Leeds and Thirsk (Harrogate and Pateley). London and Blackwall 11.1ilway Improvement. NOTICES OF MOTION. Sir HENRY WILLOUGHBY gave notice that on a future day he should move for a return of the monies expended, or agreed to be expended, on the New House of Parliament from the Ist of January to the 31st of March. Dr. BOWRING gave notice that on the 26th of June he should move the resolution of which he had given notice, relating to the Board of Works in Ireland and the Shannon navigation. Mr. PUSEY postponed the second reading of the Agricultural Tenant Bill, which stood for to-morrow, for three weeks. PETITIONS. Several petitions were presented against the sale of intoxicating drinks on Sunday. Sir J. WALNISLEY presented a petition from a place in Gloucehterahire praying tor the reduction of the duty in tea and coffee; also a petition trom Preston, in Lan cashire, praying for the establishment of household sutfrag•. REFORM. Colonel THOMPSON presented 81 petitions from Pres.on, Lancashire, in favour of household suffrage, vote by ballot, electoral districts, and short Parliamenn,. Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND presented a petition also from Freston, praying that there might be a curtail ment of the national expenditure, and in favour of Par liamentary reform. BAKERS IN THE METROPOLIS. Mr. MASTERMAN presented a petition from j?ur ney men bakers is London , praying that an inquiry might be instituted into their particular grievances. Sir GEORGE STRIC KLAND presented • similar petition from master bakers. Sir W. MOLESWOItaI also presented a similar petition from the bakers of SouIRELAND. thwark. UNION WITII legislative Lord CASTLEREAGH. presented a petition agreed to at a public meeting held at Newtoi . larde, and signed by 1,400 persona in favour of the existing Union with Ireland. On the motion of the Noble Lord the pet i t i o n was read in detail by the Clerk at the table. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM'. An }lox. MEN , BER presented a petition from Preston in favour of Patti imentary reform. that Mr. HUMS presented one hundred petitions to the same same effect from Preston, stating s t a te of the country called loudly for the present a great o f the national expenditure, and in favou r of household duration s uffrage, and the restriction of the reduction of Parina ments to three years. SALE OF SPIRITUOUS LIQUORS ON THE SABBATH. Mr. HODGES preeented;p;tition against the sale of intoxicating liquors on the Sabbath. Mr. COBDEN presented petitions to the same effect. . . THE BAKERS. Sir W. CLAY presented a petition from the master and journeymen bakers of Shoreditch, praying the House to take the condition of their trade into conside ration, and to adopt a remedy. Petitions to the same effect were presented by Mr H. Drummond, Lord Dudley Stuart, from Marylebone, Mr. C. Lushington, from Westminster, and Mr. D'Eyn court, frwm Lambeth. THE POOR-LAW. Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from a clergyman in the neighbourhood complaining that the guardians of the poor had nut properly treated a poor woman, one of his parishioners, and praying that the House would allow him to substantiate his allegations at the bar of the House. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. Mr. ROCHE wished to put a question to the Hon. Member for Montrose with rospret to his motion relative to Parliamentary reneln. There was a great difference of opinion as to the intention of the Hon. Member in the making that motion in Ireland. One party thought the Hon. Member and those with whom he was associated were entitled to the name of real Reformers, while others thought that the course they intended to adopt was not calculated for the good of Ire land, but for that of England only. He wished therefore to know tr.wm the Hon. Member for Montrose whether he did or Lot intend to include in his notice Ireland. Mr. HUME said that he meant, as well as those who acted with him, to do justice to the whole of the United Kingdom.—(Hear, hear.) IRISH REGISTRATION. Mr. BATEMAN asked the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, pursuant to the notice he had given, whether the Government intended to go into Committee on the Iri,h Registration Bill before Whit suntide? Lira J. RUSSELL said the Government did not intend to do so. COPYIIOLDS. Sir G. GREY, in answer to a quostion from Mr. AGLIONBY, said that the Lord Chancellor would shortly lay uu the table of the House of Lurds a Bill with respect to copyli.lds. STANIFORD BOROUGH. _ . The report was brought up of the General Committee of Elections, nominating thy following Mernb , -rs to try the merits of the Stamford eltc;ion :—Sir T. F. Lewis (chairman), Mr. W. P. Wood, Mr. J. Stuart Wortley, Lord H. Vane, Sir J. W. Hogg, Mr. Ellice, Sir J. Pakington, Mr. florsman, and Mr. Ilinley. SENTENCE ON MR. MITCHEL. Mr. E. B. ROCHE—Sir, se,ing the Right lion. Baronet the Secretary for the Hume Department in bis place, I wish to ask him a question. The House is aware that Mr. Mitchel has been tried, convicted, and sentenced. He has since been treated in a way that would not have been justified even in the case of the commonest convict.—(Hear, hear.) He has been hurried away from his friends and from his family.— (Cries of " Order, order.") Well then, to be briet, my question is simply this, whether it is the intention of her Majesty's Government to carry out in its fullest vipur this cruelly disproportionate and unjust sentence? Sir GEORGE GREY—I will say nothing about the epithets with which the Hon. Gentleman accompanie, this question. If I uLderstand him rightly, what he means is this, whether the senteace passed upon Mr. Mitchel will be carried into execution. If that be so, I have to inform the Honourable Gentleman that instructions have already been given for carrying that sentence into eff ct.—(Opposition cheers.) THE " MORNING POST"-BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. Mr. GRATTAN said be churned the right to speak at this period or their proceedings upon a question or ivileges relating to a report, which appeared in a paper called the Morning Post, of what was alleged to have fallen from him itt,t night. • Au LION. MEMBER—Nobody cares for the Morning Pot —(Laughter.) Mr. CiRATTAN said, be that as it might, he must take notice of it noy, beesuse what appeared in that paper did not fall from him, but was a pure fabrica tion.—(Hear and laughter.) It was a mischievou. taper, although it was perfectly harmlesir.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) But this was another instance of not reporiii.g, but wilfully misrepresenting Irish Members; end he begged to take that opportunity of telling the House, that from what he had seen in that House ald elsewhere, both of Government and newspaper reporters, such as these upon this min• rably•circulated paper—(Hear, hear, and laughter)— he was quite convinced that they make a point of always misrepresenting what falls from the lips of au Irish Memher.—(Order, order.) The SPEAKER asked if the Hon. Gentleman in tended to conctude with a motion ? _ _ Mr. GRATTAN ;aid he certainly did. He intended ' to move that the editor of this paper be brought to the bar of the House.—(Loud laughter.) Tne SPEAKER, said the lion. Member in a matter of Pri"lette had a perfect right to make such a motion, but the usual ,course was to hand the paper in which the misrepresentatien appeared marked, to be read by the clerk frem the table, before the motion was male. Mr. GRATTAN said he knew the rules of the House MGER•orit)ivOPEONovery well—(H ear, a .. d laughter)—and he begged to give notice th a t h e would adopt that course to-morrow: Ll i T t Ar rose epursuant BAKERS. Lord R. to notice to move for a Select Committee to take into consideration the petitions of the master and journeymen bakers , presented to the House on the ad day last. He of April fie said, in order to maintain his argument, he would l a y down a proposition which had been generally as sented to, but had been almost as generally overlooked through the seltishnees with which human nature was inflicted. That proposition was, that men of all nations were members of one great family, and that when one member suffered any other member, either directly or indirectly, suffered likewise. If that was true, how much more strongly ought the truth to appear when the sufferings to which he alluded were confined to one particular class of p eriwig. Those who were en g a g ed in the baking trade had not to endure sufferings which were only of a temporary or accidental character , but sufferings which were of a normal and continuous kind, andwhich they could not g et rid of without the inter vention occupied vention of the House. Journeymen ba k ers labour which 18 to 20 hours a day in a description o f which was injurious to health. and which preclued them from obtaining that mental an d moral _ improve ment, or that domestic recreation , which t he hard worked labourer ought to be allowed to en j o y after t he hours of business. They worked in a heated and un wholesome atmosphere, which not only destro y ed the health of the journeymen, but rendered them old in constitution beture they arrived at the prime of life. And it was upon those grounds that the petitioners prayed that the House might be pleased to piss some measure to remove some of the grievances which so heavily weighed upon them. The Noble Lord then read a number of docu ments descriptive of the condition of the journeyman bakers and of the great necessity that existed for the Legislature to adopt remedial measures. He showed by reference to the evidence of surgeons and others that the members of- no rrade in the metropolis were so 01-I.v/44 - Iced, and that in such vitiated atmospheres that the , ' be flame premal urely old and seldom lived look. l'he bakers of the metropolis had confidence in the House to do them j%.stice, and that the principles of Christianity -would have great weight in inducing them to do so. Ha fot convinced that the House would grant him the Committee he asked. He was not an Utopian dreamer d, of tha Louis Blanes achool--(A laugh)—but he as regarded the bar and the bench, a strict mono poly, arbitrarily excluding from its profitable sphere, any, the most exalted merit, beyond its own imme diate pale. Again, the judges of these courts were exempt from that :constitutional check which the law placed upon that conduct of all other judges. Those were removable by an address from either House of Parliament. These, whatever their misconduct, could defy public opinion, from their judicial seat, unless removed thence by the Bishop of the diocese. And here he would remark, that this connexion between the spiritual overseers of the Church !and courts of law appeared to him by no means calculated to increase the efficiency of the Church, or to raise its character in the eyes of the community. He contended that it was per fectly monstrous that courts so utterly inefficient, and so entirely removed from public supervision, so entirely destitute of public respect, should have the sole jurisdic tion over matters of such vital importance to the State and to every individual member of it as marriage and its dissolution, legitimacy and bastardy, the validity of wills as regarded personal estate ; the validity of testarnentery dispositions of real property being vested in the ordinary courts of the kingdom, ran anomaly which every day occasioned the Most serious, in some eases the most destructive results, to persons who happened to have both personal and real p r operty . bequeathed to them by the testator. Another jurisdictlon vested in the ecclesiastical courts was that of disputed church-sates ; it was clearly impos sible that Dissenters, at all events, could regard with any respect or confidence the decisions of an ecclesiastical court upon their resistance to a church-rate. It had been recommended by the Commissioners that this juris diction should be withdrawn from these courts; but the recommendation had not been carried into effect. An other jurisdiction which it was most desirable to remove from these courtn was the cognizance of defamatitn causes, causes for the most part affecting the lowest order of the commun ity, brought generally for the utterance, in auger, of words imputing incontinence to parties, and al ways involving the unfortunate person decided against in costs which, to people of the humbler ranks, proved ab solutely ruinous. The Hon. Gentlem an ment i one d seve re] uselanguage in some street quarrel, were mulcted in costa to th extent of 301., 40/., and even 60/, and upo n the no n - payment which , in their utter poverty, was a m utter of course , sent t o p ris o n. casesof hi i s n sortwh which h f p defamatory women ,mltOy pronounced guilty of the As to the diocesan courts, the L..)rd Chief Justice of England had pronounced them utter nuisances; and ano ther authority, clearly exempt from the imputation of partiality in his judgment, had distinctly declared that all he had observed of the administration of the law in the diocesan courts had led him to form the opinion that they were susceptible of very great amendment indeed. The diocesan court of the Archbishop of Canterbury, sitting in London, was not included in these strictures of Lord Denman and, the Bishop of London, but he thought that after the monstrous course of the monstrous case of Geils v. Geile," there was but one opinion on the part of the public as to the administration of the law, and the conduct of both judge and advocates in that court. What had been, for example, witnessed in that court in the course of thut case? One advocate in a case, a lead iny doctor in the court, distinctly charging the judge with partiality in favour of his son, another advocate in the same court, and in the same case, and adducing evi dence of the secure reliance placed upon that partiality of the judge father by the advocate son!—(Hear, hear.) He would say nothing, of course, as to the taste of the squabble to which he referred, but the fact was incon trovertible that in this close court, invested with such enormous and almost arbitrary powers, with its mono poly bar, and its monopoly proctors, the irresponsible judge had immediate relatives both among the bar and among the body of proctors, and that :such relationship was a fact at once destructive sot any public confidence in the tribunal, however high the personal character of the individual on the bench might he, and undoubtedly was. The registration of wills, which the ecclesiastical courts now arrogate to themselves, was susceptible of very tnateriel improvements. At present there was no decided ecurity for the wills in the possession of these courts, nor was there any system at work which gave facilities to persons seeking the wills to attain a sight of them. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman read extracts from the testimony of various local registrars, to show the utter want of any systematic or effective record of these all-important documents. 'l'he total umouut of fes re ceived by these officers was no less than 106,0001., of which the sum received by the deputy registers was 63,0001., and they formed the main abuse of the eccle siastical courts, forming as they did the substantial dttfi culty in the way of reform. Li Canterbury the register received 7,5081. a year; in Chester, holding a sinecure office, he received 7,0001.; and in Y0rk,2,6361.—(E1ear.) Now those were practical grievances, which required a remedy. and if the Government, instead of declaring, as they lately did, a disinclination to political changes, which after all were only a means to an end, would evince a vigorous determination to provide a remedy for those grievances, they would do more to extract the sting from such motions as that given notice of by the Honourable Member for Montrose than any declaration, however strong, could effect. The Ho nourable Gentleman coucluded by moving—' 4 That the ecclesiastical courts of England and Wales have been the subject of several public inquiries, which have shown them to be totally incapable of fulfilling the important to ctions they affect to exercise. That these courts have not only to decide questions concerning some of the niost important civil rights of the subject, but they exercise a criminal jurisdiction, pretended to be pro solute anima., which touches his property and personal liberty. That the law they administer urgently requires amendment. That their ay stem of procedure is incompa f 'hie with the effectual attainment of the ends of justice. but costly. That their confined existence a e r x e is a t o e t nc o e nlY is . il i l f;jtri e o ll us ' to the subject, and a scandal to the judicial system of the country." Sir. G. GREY would neither follow the Hon. Gentle. man through his details, nor attempt to controvert his arguments in favour of a sweeping change in the eccle• siastical courts, because in those arguments he generally concurred.—(Hear, hear.) He must, however, demur to the assertion that the Government had shown any indisposition to deal with the subject. The Hon. Gentleman had obs erved that the subject was so full of detailsand so complicated, that he, as an individual Member, shrank from grappling with it. But that also formed an excuse on the part of the Government. He regretted to find a disposition in the House of Commons to think that every measure ought to he taken up and disposed of in one seaiiiin by the Government, because by that eall'edreopecoansceint t r t a h t e e d u ( n )n d ci voiduerdse a n t t o e t n h t i i n o g n c o o f ul t d he be i r us w e few measures, and other measures reserved for a future sessiun. Looking to the complicated nature of this question, ho must say that he should despair, at this period of the session at least, of proposing a Bill which would he likely to pass. He thought the wiser course would be to reserve it for another session. Ile admitted that many inquiries had taken place, and that every one of the C, mmissions or Committees recommended extensive changes in the nature and jurisdiction of these courts, and he was was prepared to agree ie substance with these recommendations. The Bill of 1844 he op posed, because it departed in tote from the Bill of his Right Hon. Friend the Member for Ripun, which pro ceeded upon the Commissioners' report of 18°9. He voted in the minority against that Bill, which was ulti mately abandoned. Since the present Government was iu office toe subject had nut c•caped their attention. The Attorney-Gerferal had been engaged pre paring a Bill, which would have been submitted in the pre sent session had they the slightest hope that its details would have received that consideration which they required. He agreed altogether with the Hon. Member for Kilmarnock in his main objections to these courts, to their course of proceeding, and to much of the jurisdiction they exercised; but he could not his resolutions, because he could not hold out agree to tiny hope of being' able in the present session of apply 'ins a remedy to the evil. A Bill would be shortly laid i on the table of the House which he hoped would enga g e the attention of the house early next session. Under these circumstances ho must move the previous question. Sir R. INGLIS congratulated the Hon. Mover on the triumph he had achieved without going to a division. But when the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State promised to introduce a Bill on the subject, he begged to remind him that every such attempt by pre eedinfe Governments had failed, and the secret of that failure was to be found in the proposition of taking away justice from the door of every man concerned, and cen tralising it in London. To that he was decidedly opposed, and he hoped that any attempt on the part of the present Government so to interfere with the existing s y ste m would fail. He did not mean to say that thatl systemeniedwtahsattl nut capable of improvement; but he_ utterly y the lion. that it such as unmitigated evil d. He had no objection to Mem ber for Kilmarnock allege improyement, but he required _ that matters of ecclesias ticalt persons who were discipline should be su bmitted ns of those who were not alien or hostile to the pro essto to - be tried. C olonel SIBTHORP against After few words from the motion, 'VIAL said that his atten tion The ATTORNEY - G EN h b'ect long ore e nes hid been directed to this su j that a be emsur might be inasitae, and his opinion f waese courta which would framed tit' . the reformationtoo ath ll parties. His obj, ct in be perfectly satisfactory h House not to assume that the rising was to entreat tse the principle of centralise- Governthent was pledged to Government. They had a lien in the Bill of the late ud hesitated to introduce it measure already prepared , and heaitatd to introduce it only because it would prOvte dismission, without aff /rd[ because it would pro f ) their being able to carry it ing the least probability 0 through Parliament in the present session. Mr. HUME fulls concurred in the resolutions, and regretted that the Right Hon. BarOnet did not consent use then his hands when to their adoption, as it would st was one which had introducing his Bill. The al dmitted ev he had been not only condsinned but a .t a scandal that it had a seat in that House ; and eras should still remain, reed in every word of Mr. AGLION BY, likewise, ag t the resolutions, but ho regrett ed that hey were to end in smoke. He did not see w hat was to The Government be lost or gained by avoiding a division on them. ad mitted the four propositions contained in them to be well founded. If so, why had they n ß ot brought forward aronet talked of a Bill long ago Th e Right Hon. in all the measures of & the inconvenience of ;;introduc g s ion after session had Government in one session ; buts:ns e u pon this subject ; elapsed without anything b ein g su ch m ea were and his feeling was, that unless Government, they sures would be forced upon the attention o f Govern neglected altogether. lled upon to affirm the Mr. HUDSON said th at if ca bodied in the resolutions whole of the propositions etn id m e mber for Kilmer proposed by the Hon. and Letarn_•_u . son) should not be neck (Mr. Bouverie), he (N r. 11 d a s ready to prepared to do so. At t he same time he ees and w amendments admit that some judicious chann might be introduced into the ecclesiastical courts. He ton the s of the had with un ixed satsfact Hon. and heard Learned m A:torney- i General, and he eech assured him, and also the Right Hon. Baronet the Home Secre tary, that any attempt to remove the custody of wills from the counties in which the testators had died would bo strongly resisted by the county with which he was connected, and every other county in the kingdom. He had had experience not only in the ecclesiastical but in the law courts, and he did not think the former more ex pensive than the latter; and the best proof of the satis faction which the decisions of the ecclesiastical courts gave was afforded by the paucity in number of the ap peals against their decisions. Mr. W. P. WOOD thought it deeply important to the best interest of the Church that some steps should be taken to remove the grievances arising from the mis named eealesiaetical courts. The temporal and spiritual jurisdiction ought to,be separated. As to the retention of will 4 and documents in safe custody, he knew in stances in which alorged will had been substituted for the original—when a forged manuscript of a baptismal certificate had been put surreptitiously on the file in place of the true transcript—these and other instances he could not name showed that the local custody now in force was not peel , ct or safe, and that there was a neces• sity to watch these local jurisdictions. Mr. BOUVERIE said that after the promise male by the Right lion. Baronet (Sir G. Grey) to introduce a Bill on this subject early next session, he (Mr. Bouverie) would not put the House to the trouble of dividing on his resolutions. The SPEAKER then put the question, when the amendment (the previous question) %sees agreed to. THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS. Dr. BOW RING then rose to submit his resolutions on the subject of the public accounts. The Honourable Member said that the resolutions he was about to pro pose seemed to him to contain propositions so self-evi dent that it was astonishing so many years had been allowed to pass without the Commons House of Parlia ment having directed its attention to the fact, that one fifth of the gross revenues of the country were expended without the previous intervention, control, and autho rity of the Commons. If there was any duty more paramount than another, it was that the representatives of the people should take care of the money of the people—should see that it reached the Exchequer---and before any portion was disbursed, the authority for that disbursement should be obtained from the House of Commons.—(liear.) The fact, as shown by documents now on the table of the House, was, that a sum of nearly 8,000,0001. per annum escaped the control of the Heuse of Commons, and that since the passing of the Reform Act no less a sum than from 110,000,0001. to 120,000,0001 sterling had been disbursed without the inter fereece of this House to sanction it He had moved fur, and obtained returns from, lour different, depart ments of revenue, showing the amounts which had beep expended without the authority or interference of Parlia ment, and these returns showed the amounts to have been—in 1837, 6,155.0001.; in 1543, 5,507,0001; in 1846, 6,152.0001.; and in the year ending, sth January, 1847, that expenditure had been 5,904.0001. In the de partments of expenditure—for instance the Treasury, the Privy Council-office, the army, the navy, the ord nance, and other similar departments, there had been expended without any Parliamentary check or control, in 1837, 1.767,0001; in 1844, 1,999,000 L; in 1846, 1,909,0001.; and in the return for last year it was shown to have been 1,099,7401. These sums, together with the gross amounts expended without the sanction of this House, stood thus:—ln 1837, 6,922,0001.; in 1843, 7,063,0001.; and last year, 7,400,0001. Now, it ap• peared to him that such a state of things was in tolerable. The consequence of this system was, that neither the First Lord of the Treasury nor the Chancellor of the Exchequer had a book, or great ledger of the consolidated account of the nation, which could show them the correct total receipts and expendi Lure of the country. This was a dishonour to a great commercial nation like Great Britain. Even the audit office could:not furnish annual accounts, because, instead of supplying their accounts and vouchers to the audit effise within three months after the close of every year, many public accountants either delayed them for years, or did net return them at all. For instance, the Shan non Navigation Board had not made any return of either accounts or vouchers for the last ten years, and the Board of %Yorke in Ireland was almost the same. Could it then be wondered at that forgeries had been committed on the public revenue when such a state of things had been allowed to go on unchecked year atter year? In the customs, the excise, the stamps and taxes—in all these departments sums were retained and expended without the inter ference of Parliament! and in the post-office de partment, out of a revenue arising from that source of about 1,500,0001, 1,140,000/. was retained in its pro gress to the Exchequer. Again, almost every depart ment-had its fee fund, all of which was received and disbursed without the cognisance of Parliament, and hence grievous irregularities had grown up. To these he sought by his resolutions to put an end, because he was cenvinced that unless the gross revenues went into or were accounted . for to the Exchequer, no security was afforded for the fit and proper expenditure of the public money. This had been recommended in the report of the Commissioners' of itiquirys of which in 1831 the late Lord Conglenns had beeii'the head, and therefore the proposition he (Dr. Bowring) made involved no principle that was new to the Legislature. He desired to apply to the public accounts the saute principle which was adopted by evesy banker,• merchant, and tradesman in the kingdom. One of the most important duties of Members of that House was that they should take cure of the public purse, but they could nut discharge it white 7,000,0001. of the public money was allowed to slip through the bottom. lie could not help thinking that the system of fees was receiving the etteitteen of the Government with a view to its aboli tion. He knew of no other country in Europe in which the gross amount of the revenue was not received into the Exchequer. Tne Hun. Gentleman concluded by moving :—" That this House cannot be the effectual guardian of the revenues of the state unless the whole amount of the taxes, and of various other sources of in come received for the public account, be either paid in or accounted for to the Exchequer. That no depart ment of revenue ought to be allowed to stop any portion of its gross receipts in their progress to the Exchequer without the previous authority of Parliament. That no department of expenditure should be permitted to appro priate to the putnic service any other sums than those sanctioned by previous votes of Parliament, and that all receipts from sales of stores, or other sources, should be paid into the Exchequer. That whereas the expendi ture of many departments escape Parliamentary control, either woolly or in part, in conse quenoc of paying their expanses out of fees or other re sources, and of accounting to the Exchequer only for the balances of such receipts; and in other eases of applying to Parliatncet fir grants to make up the deficiency of such fees or other resources, it is necessary, as a check upon abuse, and a security for the appropriation of the public moneys, that such receipts should be paid into the Exchequer, and nut be disposed of witnout the prelimi nary sanction of Parliament. That it appears by returns on the table of this House, that in the year ending the sth of Jan., 1847, the amount of 5,904,6901. 17s. 4 5-12 d. was deducted from the gross receipts by the various re venue departments in its progress to the Exchequer, and disbursed without the previous sanction of Parliament ; and by sundry previous Parliamentary returns, that a sum of about the same enormous amount is yearly re tained by the said departments, and is not paid into the Exchequer, nor subject before its disbursement to Par liamentary control. That it appears by the said returns that in the year ending the sth day of January, 1847. the sum of 1,099.7471. 14i. 21d. was received by the va rious other departments, independently , of Parliamentary g rants or issues from the Exchequer. That the amounts t h u s removed from the di rect authority and previous control of Parliament, and which were not paid into the Exchequer, average nearly seven millions per annum, and that nearly one-eighth of the gross revenues of the nation are disposed of with' ut the interference of Par liament to sanction their application. 'That such a state of things is must unsatiz facter y , and re q uires the earliest attention of the House of Commons. Mr. lIUME seconded the motion. Th e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER admit ted that the House of Commons was the proper guar dian of the public: purse, and therefore it was that the items of the public exp enditure were submitted to it. lie did not think that the system of bringing the whole receipts into the Exchequer in the first instance would afford greater security than by the officers at the ports, deducting a part of the m one y the y received for pay ments wtiich were to be made from day to day. With ',geed to payments other than the charges of colloction, he considered that it inad e no practical difference whether they were male before they were received into the Exchequer or afterwards. With respect to the other items which the Ron. Gentleman classed together, they were very various in their stature, and could not he considered as payment% of the description to which he alluded. .As to the 262,0001. for the police force, for in stance, that was not money coming iu its aid of the public revenue, but it was a portion of the public revenue paid in aid of other sums. With regard to stores and other appropriations for the army and ordnance depart ments, the lion. Gentleman would find all of those sums stated in the eeteuates. However, he had issued a Treasury minute with respect to those appropriations, requiring that the money should be first brought into the Etehequer in the gross. Tne lion. Gentle man said that 138,0001. had been paid under the Boars; of Works its Ireland in aid of the public money. But it the Hon. Gentleman looked to the returns he would find that 107,0001. of this sum consisted of loans for the pur pose of drainage, which could not bo considered public expenditure. He admitted that the audit of the Shannon navigation was in a very unsatisfactory state. Every effort had been made to reduce it into order, and he hoped they would succeed in doing so. He agreed with the Hon. Gentleman, that a large portion of the fee , ought to be abolished, and he could assure him that the Government were disposed to make all the practical reforms in their power.—(Hear, hear.) He should move the previous question. Colonel SI BTHORP thought this motion was rather late in the day. The lion. Member had allowed votes to pass —as silentio, and now he brought forward resolu tions declaring that they ought not to have been passed at all. Would the lion. Member give practical proof of his desire for " econirnical reform" by supporting a motion he was shout to bring forward for the abolition of the office of the Comptroller of the Exchequer? — (Hear, hear.) He would also ask the Hon. Member it he were inclined to abolish the office of 4001. a year just given to the Hon. Member's son? He thought that Hon. Members who got these sort of appointments for their relatives were the last who ought to bring forward reso lutions for changes of this description. He should not support the flint. Member. Mr. HUME said his objection to the present mode.of reading the accounts was, that they deceived the public. They have not before them a true and accurate state ment of the sums received and the sums expended. The present system was kept up to conceal from the public the real amount of taxation. The Exchequer of Eng land was the only one in the world through which all the moneys of the state did not pass. This was the fourth time this subject hrd been brought forward ; but the House never paid attention to matters affecting re venue. He w.is sorry to say that within five minutes after he rose the opposite benches there were always nearly empty.—(Great laughter.) Sir.G 'CLERK said those who knew little of the sub jectiVotild probably imagine from the debate that there vvas - lio general account whatever of the receipts and ex penditure. of the country. Now the fact was that at the commencement of every year a volume was laid upon the table giving precisely this information. The Hon. Member fur Bolton wished that every farthing of money collected in the provinces and elsewhere ,hould be paid into the Exchequer in London. He would not hesitate to say that it such a system were.adopted the annoyance and inconvenience to our merelietata would be so great as to render the system quite impracticable. The pre sent practice, moreover, was, as it seemed to him, the simplest and least likely to render the accounts com plicated. Mr. V. SMITH hoped the division would not be pressed. II it were, the probabilities were that the mo tion would be lost, much to the regret of himself and other Members who found in the resolutions very much of which they approved. Dr. BOWRIXG replied, and defended himself from the charge of Colonel Sibthorp. of having passed by this question on former occasions. On the contrary, he had sought every eligible opportunity of bringing it forward. He did not believe the practical diffi culty of adopting this system would be very great. He would take the opinion of the House cn the first re solution. _ _ _ ~,..._._. . The House divided, when there appeared— For the previous question 54 Against it Majority against —l The House then divided on the first resolution, when :here appeared— For the resolution Against it Majority against ,Mittistt.rA WH I TSUN TIDE HOLIDAYS In answer to a question from Mr. HUME, Lord J. RUSSELL stated that it was his intention to move, on Friday week, that the House adjourn to the Thursday tollowin; in Whitson week. LAND COMPANY COMMITTEE. Mr. F. O'CONNOR r. - ‘se to nominate the following Committee on the National L4nd Company Wll:—Mr. E. O'Connor, Lord Ingestre, Viscount Drutnlanrig, Mr. Henley, Mr. Langston, Mr. G. Langston, Mr. S. Cruw ,ord, bir. Mansell, Captain Pechell, Mr. Sullivan, Mr. Meagher, Mr. Devereux, Mr. SchoWield, Sir G. Strick land, and Sir B. Hall. The Hon. Member expressed nis willingness to substitute the natn..s of Messrs. Hay ter and Wortley for those of Messrs. NI,- a,;her and De vereux, but objected to removing Mr. Langston (Mem ber for Oxford borough). Atter some further remarks from Sir G. GREY. Mr. O'CONNOR said he would have no objection to strike out the name of Sir Benjau,in Hall, so that Mr. Langston might remain upon it, in case the Right Hon. Baronet insisted upon three names being ,truck out. Sir G. GREY said that his only object was to give full efficiency to the Committee. He was anxious that the name of Mr. Heywood should be added, repre senting as he did a part of the country which was deeply interested in the matter. Sir B. HALL complained that the Hon. Member for Nottingham had nominated to his Committee seven Hon. Members who had never previously had a seat in that House; if the House should approve of his (Sir B. Hall's) appointment as a Member, he should use his best endeavours to sift the matter to the bottom, and to let the public know what the scheme of the Hon. Member really was. • Mr. F. O'CONNOR said that the Hon. Baronet the Member for Mar) lebone had pretty clearly shown the animus with which he would enter into the inquiry, and he need therefore say no more respecting the observa- tions which had fallen from him, Mr. J. O'CONNELL suggested that if Mr. Langston should be unable to serve, Sir B. Hall should be nomi nated on the Committee. Sir G. GREY having agreed to this, the Committee was nominated according to Sir G. Grey's proposal, and the House adjourned at One o'clock. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. MANSION-HOUSE. Thomas Clancey was brought before the Lord Mayor by City policeman 366, charged with having been one of the ringleaders in the row in the streets on Monday night. The Commissioner of the City Police was on the bench during the investigation. The policeman said—At half-past nine o'clock last night, I was in Fleet-street. and saw between 3,000 and 4,000 people, some with and some without sticks, going along. The mob gave three cheers for Mr. Mitchel and the prisoner flourished a stick over his head aHd asked the people, both on the pavement and in the middle of the road to join him. The crowd were at the time four abreast and arm-in-arm. I followed them to Far rinedon-Street and to Skinner-street, and they con etantlY asked those who were standing still to Join. The, prisoner said they were going to gain a victory that night. and that 7,000 were assembled elsewhere; and he said, " Men and women, I persuade you all not to go home to-night. We shall gain I,a victory." I followed them into Stnithfiebe. The po *men came out of the station-house there, and some mob ran away. The prisoner stood still and itotiriShed.his stick, and called to the crowd to stand The mob then went up Long-lane, and The 'petsoner used the same expressions as he went along. I called the attention of an efficer in plein clothes to what Wes going on, and teed him to notice the prisoner's conduct, and we took him into custody. As we were eking bon to the sta:ton-house he told us we ought to have-taken him into custody three weeks before ; that it was too late now, and that it was too far gone ; and he celled upon the mob not to ruin I him, but to go on to victory. He had a stick in his hand, and I took it from him: The prisoner—Did you ever see me before last night? Witness—Not to my knowledge. The prisoner—Do you recollect my addressing two women? Witness—Yes, after I took you into custody. The prisoner—Do you think any observations I made were calculated to influence the people? Witness— Certainly I do. Policeman 225—Between 10 and 11 o'clock I was on duty in Smithfield. I followed the mob up Long-lane with four other constables, and I saw the prisoner flourishing a stick, and calling upon the mob to fall in. He said, •"This is the night we shall gain the victory. Men, women, and children, stop out all night. Don't go to bed at all." And he called upon all to join to gether and stick together like men. We took him into custody then. The LORD MAYOR—Was he sober? Witness—Quite so; but he appeared to be greatly excited, and he said, "You ought to have taken me into custody three weeks ago, before I had done the mischief; there is a cleverer man than me in prison now." The prisoner (to the witness)—Have you taken any notes of these proceedings? Witness—No. The prisoner—Then it is merely from recollection you give your evidence ? Witness—Certainly. The prisoner—Did I offer the slightest resistance when you took me into custody ? Witness—Not at all. The prisoner—Can you swear that anything I said was calculated to lead to a breach of the peace ? Witness— I can and do swear it. The prisoner, when we took him in,o custody said to the midi, " Now is your time I" but they laughed at him and did nothing.—(Laughter.) There were among the mob many with sticks. The prisoner—Did you hear me use any expressions at all likely to cause excitement among the people ? Witness—Yes, what you said was most likely to lead to excitement. Mr. Thomas Woolet, of Cheapside—l heard that a knob was going along, and I went down Newgate-street end followed them into Smithfield. At the corner of Barbican I saw a mob collected, and I went to the as sistance of the police. I heard the prisoner say, upon being apprehended, that he did not care for being locked up, and that it was a pity the police were so many of them engaged about hies, for there would be warm work to do before night. Three pieces of paper and three halfpence were found upon the prisoner in the station-house. They contained these words : " N.B. 15 minutes is the time allowed in speaking. "Resolved,--Trutt this meeting being duly impressed with the utter hopelessitess of the present Government of this country, and of their cold and callous inclination to do justice to the people of these countries, we there. fore call upon the Executive to proceed directly with the people's memorial to the Queen, being greatly impressed with the bel,ef that her Most Gracious ,Majesty will not lend un inattentive ear to the prayers of her devoted and loyal subjects. " L ird Juhn says we don't want anything. Contempt on the minion." Tile prisoner, upon being asked by the LORD MAYOR whether he wished to make any observation, said—l 'lave reason, my Lord, to complain of the treatment I have had fro n the police authorities, and I deny, in the most positive manner, that I said anything at all calcu lated to lead to riot or din urbance, or exchement of any kind. You may judge of th.; tr,atinent I received, from the fact that when I entered the station-home one of the police said," Oh! you have got one of these d— —d Chartists have you?" That was language which you avow ought not to have been used by men in such i situations. As for the meeting of the people last :tight, I believe it to have in a great measure arisen out if the assertion of Lord John Russel l, that the working . people did not want reform. It w a s in consequence people, o his gross misrepresentation of th e masses of the in consequence of this statement that they n re quire any change, tteit the crowds d assembled not for m the purpose purpose of giving the most decided a s c t r a t tr a l d ai c u t ei o m np t t e o d h t i os Lordship's declaration. It is untrue excite the crowd. I told them to go home about their business, instead of exciting them.—(Great laughter.) As for the possessi-n of that stick, which appears to be the blackest part of the charge agiinst me, I cars easily account for that. lam a stick dresser by trade, and I have several of this sort of unprepared sticks at home, as you will find if you send to my lodging, and it is part of my business to carry them. Now, I think, I have justified my conduct, and I can safely state that if a person so strongly connected with rho Government had not made false statements about the wants and desires of the people there would have been no meeting , at all. Nuw, the Government have done very wrong in another respect, too. They have sent spies in amongst the people; and that practice never has been known to work any good yet. Now, I should wish to have the two women to whom I spoke in the presence of these policemen to give their evidence. The LORD MAYOR—Very well. I shall postpone the case, if you please, to give you the opportunity. The prisoner, upon consideration, proposed an imme diate adjudication, which ho said be had no doubt would be a fair one. The LORD MAYon-.I 5h311 endeavour to make it a 1848 9 just one. Your conduct has been certainly very repro hensible. It has been calculated to lead to a breach of the peace, and you are particularly censurable for ap- peering amongst a mob at such an hour. You are a per son too from whom a good example might be expected, instead of one leading to the dangerous violation of the laws. You must procure two sureties each to the amount of 40/., and you must yourself be bound in the sum of 801. to keep the peace for six months. Hugh 111‘Donahl was then put to the bar upon the charge of having been concerned with the mob, and with having assaulted some of the police. Policeman G 127 stated, that between eleven and twelve, as he was on duty in Golden-lane, he saw the prisoner with several others at the corner of Collier -lane. There was a great mob there at the time. As a body of the police passed along the prisoner said, " There goes a lot of dogs." Subsequently the prisoner and his companions hooted and pelted the officers with pieces of coke and brickbats, and the prisoner ran up the court upon being followed by the police and dropped a large piece of cuke which he was prepared to fling. Policeman 112 identified the prisoner as the person who had struck him on the nose with a brickbat in Gol lee" lane. About the same time another policeman was struck on the side of the head with a brickbat by one of the mob, and knocked down senseless. The unfortunat e officer was taken to the hospital. The prisoner said he and his wife were unsuspieiously standing at the corner of the court and looking at the crowd, when the policemen suddenly seized bins, no doubt in a mistake ior another party. Ile declared that he was the most peaceably disposed man in the world, notwithstanding which he had been mod awfully bel tboured with constables' staves. The LORD MAYOR sentenced the prisone r to imPri. sonnaunt iu Brid , w,ll for one month for the moult. Henry Gibson was charged with having, in Redeross street, after the dispersion of the greater part of the mob, endeavoured to excite persons to attack a police' man by pointing at him, and saying there were a hue' mired ()char spies of the kind about the place. The men was drunk at the time. The pributier said he knew nothing of Chartismat all, and that he was by no means a democrat. He ho p ed, too, he had not used such nerds. The LORD MAYOR fined the prisoner, not for Chart ism, but for druektat wise , nduct. Marion iliarron, a lodger, in the Coffee shop in 10"„ cOl cross-street, at which the Chartists are in the ha bit assembling, was put to the bar upon the charge °I hrit g attempted to excite the women assembled ° darnonstration of their love of liberty. by P c o a l i t i cza u n p, l l 6 l 3 th s e ai , d , , ou th ,e e n p a r s i s st t ! m nej le d d is a t w in i g .n u g is , h t distinguished herseicc. to join her in overthnowieg the Whig Gov t Wiiness went up to her and entreated her to go to bea She, however, persisted in calling upon her sex to follow her example, and tumble the Whigs out of office. S ne was evioently under the inflence of liquor at the tier and she had been drinking all day and had pre viously given trouble to the police. Mrs. Merron said, she was very sorry to appear before; the Lord Mayor in so disgraceful a cause, and she dec'ever ehrencroroswil: that if she was allowed to depart her face shoul al ii again be seen in such a place. She had lodged in 1 0 Chartist coffee-shop' for six months, finding that it 1 . the cheapest lodging she ever possessed. She , heweve ; had nu idea that it was a house of call for politics, ° she would never have entered it. The LORD MAYOR —lt seems that you have imbib ed some of the politics of the house. fu ss Mrs. Marron—l am afraid so, my Lord. I was !oing out for a newspaper, to see what news therebwod rorn Dublin about Aatchel, when the police took of me. ' no tot). The LORD MAYOR—WeII, you don't seem to quite sober yet, end you must come before me Win gr morrow. The prisoner was then remanded. MARLBOROUGH-STREET. t ools The macistrates at this court received ein e (understood to be from the Home-office) to recle l uo , their attendance during the evening in case of die‘bres ance or outrage occurring. Last evening a boutl ig; thousand persons walked through Regent-stree t caue or much consternation, but they behaved in 1 v ei l the derly manner, and not the slightest occasion for services of the police, who were ready to a ct ' 113 tested itself: RAILWAY SHARE IVIARKJL, LIVERP 00L, MAY 30. d V i ` STOCK EXCHANGE.— The market conti n ues dull; IT pat . little disposition is evinced to buy or sell. BirkenbeaZ io ss. cashire, and Cheshire junction (la:e C. and B.) , 2.2/ „" g lava' dis.—Eastern Counties, 14:—Great North o f , 48 p.—Lancashire and Yorkshire, Fifths, 1 1 ,i di ,' 6' Nest Halves (late L. and B.), 9 dis.—Ditto, Fifths (101ortb' Riding Union), 31. 13s. 9d. c. dis.—London Western, 131 c.—Ditto, New Quarters, IL 18s. 9 u• Midland Stock, 1041 1 —Ditto, New Halves, 5,S North Union (A), 201—Shrewsbury, Oswestry, an d ,: ;0. 4 ' 7% Ms.—South-Eastern and Dover, 24 3 4 Thirds, 23 c. dis.—West Flanders, 8 1 4 die. DIANCIIESIER, MA/ 30. .s; tti ll A STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sales are Amberga te. ham, and Boston. 2 3 4 dis.—Birkenhead, Lancashire,43i.. Cheshire Junction, 7 11-16 dis.—Eastern Counties, 4,4 Great Northern, 9 5-16 dis.—Lancashirc and Yorkshire.k.orp, Iti-•ing Union ), 3 3 %, c. dis —London and :%ortli-S%,e:tioelt, Quarters (A and B), 2 1 4 p.—Blanchester. Buxton , 1 , 1 . 06 ,10' an.! Midland, 31i dis.—Manche,.ter, Sheffield, end shire, Quarters, No. 2, 151,1,—Ditto (Grimsby) , 614. 4001 21 dis.-- Ditto. *4Ol. Shares, tS dis - Ditto lit/. 1 05 ' ,: fn dis.—North Staff o rdshi re , 2y . dis.—outh - E 115 ` 9.- Dover, 25—Ditto 8 BIRMIN , ,;HAV, az 30. ST,WK E.,•CL/Lratherani- • 'orl - ti.sy er was rr en' in t'n.S r t Market. The folk wing are Ow (1 , 6 „ f out the sa,,, t 1 8 :—M.d and, 6 p e r cent. (Bri slo ' inghani), I Ambergate, Nottingham, and d t ow, 535. Bd. dis. - Wolverhatiip:oll, an shre ol)ll° Valley, 2 di:. N unit Staffordshire, 2 1 4 2 c. 111 '' and Birinkghani (A), 638. 9d. Ms.—Ditto ( 8 ) , 565. o. DULL, DIA/ 30. N ot t ing STOCK EXCHANGE —rilesales are—Ambe r g ate, ham, and Boston, lOs —North British, Thirds, 225 ' AND THE NEW EDITION OF BURKE'S FESIIAGS ' 6 ,f BARON ETAGE.—A contemporary has retnisrxe-'ha th 6 1° ,_ To - every person moving in the higher circles, ef thousands the many grades below, a new edition f ° o r Peet age and Baronetage is as essential a book ° „oat r a e i n d ce as a new almanac. For its clearness, sectmollif i compactness, in alphabetical arrangemen‘t---h-eputi, has i,. long p, e carried ndii vn l o n ff na t e h the before nothing of its of the neatness dui engravings and to e .",:orl its typography -' Burke's Genealogical Dicti"titot°' o f o a g , l i r 5 alm ufsr,olenons6ills tit; c°°)Pesl4° a , m 6 o o un s t u s per-royal octavo pages, in doubly sum _go ;,,,, 0%, in actual quantity of matter to I" 11 tP evo.elatirmnees, exceeding 500 pages each, and yet it 1305 ' oa fs' phicl ss , and beauty of a cabinet specimen of t Y P le n till r We are assured, however, that this e 3 „ u et; ti ,l o t. u m a a ; t i ' o the quantity is much below the real gi tl .," for 1 11 . gh the quantity has nut deteriorated the qua lit i r t ibi a wouldtt be an act of injustice to the indef*6llol° L editors h to withhold the fact that by the preseO t ';') o tia fury have thrown new lines thteage' and by entering extensively into oc"'by.oo light upon the __ , p uE e iou,ly been entirely excluded L,r have been enabled to enrich their psg ° 0 410 accession had r v . of names to the respective paigreehn reerilli t e st ool k DRIKA BREaIER ' S NEW NOVEL, " 1301 a or foe- AND SISTFItS '' . , just published, ably sustains the No, the ' Its authoress of " 'rho Neighb-mrs," and " T he l f elor 1, chief merit, ss the Btitunnia, consists in "°" n o fell 'Lig the . affections of domestic life. Miss I.3reinor'b 0 el t ' ad e, in one sense, educatiunal books, as they sre trials °' ated to improve the heart, and fit it fur the I ' : e tie 6 the c o f the, life. of In " it others and Sisters," we have disposition common to a large family. So 03 : 1 ", o s 0 characters areiorgotte .000 pourtraycd with the finest le-h P iiiritual beauty. The elder sister Hedvi2', who it i m n o t t v h a e t r h 's a j n l, ln i n s r o a n l e ln o v t a t l h in o e s s e q e , exquisite forms all the duties of a mother, without know rfe ct as they are more studied. The sisters Engel At i o tie thilda, too, are admirably drawn—one sots 5 0d , v g ye t in dispositi, , n, the other wild, fantastic, and sauc y, h et lief . each inspiring affection by her weaknesses as w e h " e r oar virtues. One of the best drawn personages i li fi t. off .° kind-hearted old uncle, General Hercules. , u e i t i a ols nothing by the comparison he k wit h 19Y provo es Toby. c s h ile a c re re' m iti o °rleg'sciP r ei o recio, ;01 O l t [ADVERTISEMENT.] —A Gentleman Rego-70,0 -'Cie 'Cie of his Limbs by toe Effect of Hollowa)s Iloilo' and Pills.—Mr. John Cock, a highly res man residing at Madron, near Penzance, has be e s f ro' pentabl e g a on e fined to his house for a considerable period fr°°llo, be i o t ful attack of paralysis. He had recourse to t ‘ __ u o medical aid but to no purpose,"as in such cases tii , e , u ro treatment never does any good he then resol7...rio! using Holloway's ointment and pills, aud to the oi u; r l of ail who knew his deplorable state, these %id, st i o medicines alone have restored him to pertect he `l d 1101-1°" the complete use of are sold by all druggists, and at Professor ..-- _------ establishment, 244, btrand, London. his limbs. These valuable roe , o y 0 ------- , 0 11°1 di R 1 li 6. Goo At Ha•tings, on the 26th inst., the Wife of Dr . , k ,/rg of Illoomsbutv square, London, ot a son. ~,_nar , On the 2tith inst., in Gluucester-road, Reg env 5 0. Bassett, of a son. of the 1414 On the 26th in•t., at Mortlake, the Wife of s H. Swinny, of a daughter. v B Oug hes ' On the 27th inst., in Liverpool, Mra. .... - ' Aijce , son. still-born. , F. Thro`' On the 27th inst., at Portsea, the wife of C. tli° A ter , Esq., Royal Artillery, of a daughter. Bikr w Un the 27th inst., at So. 13, Bark -place, w ife wife of E. Measor, Esq. of a daughter..„ ~ „ s tei d, til e Oil the 27th inst., at Frognal-lodge, IG"`—r of the Rev. Dr. Saunders, of a daughter. -------------- ue Be l ' , OAR/UAL,. vas t, by' ' be llik On the 11th ult., at St. Andrew's, Canadaz, W. W. Powell, W. Abbott, ir Pe a ' eldest daughter of the late C. PeccotE:q.,_ it c r . VI . ~- • , Pi On the 27'1 inst., at West Ham Church, 0 _.' o f Ai.' ford. iof Farringdon-street, to :Sarah, widow Woinersley, of Stratford-green . Et,q., to F.li abeth 6arst On the 25th inst., __.....---------at melibtory. House, ,joler , grafo+ Lena " aged 31. t ite r of Ifr. On the 19th inst., Anna Maria, eldest dayg . MO' Lewington, of Maidenhead, aged 25. __a fig. f At Hsiley, on the 26th inst., at an a dvan ce to A. Chetlins. - AC tbeirje' On the 27th inst., at Lee, Kent, aged oS, ',•• wife of Captain 'l'. Dick, R. N• restoll4l6 On the 27th inst., at Claremont -square, d i/. 11. R9sser, E-q., F.S.A., aged 57. • street,ifret '4 On the 27th inst.. Mr. R. May, of Sackvillemp, reii3erio, On the 28th inst., at tiottinghani-plac9' roe'', the late Rev. J. Russell, vicar of Sutton Coo J. 51 aged 74. s e 0 0 d gu n e r t i h hs e ee 2 n2 B .9, t h tahg i e n id s u t sB . t . 0.. a , t atG 1 lobe-street, teh, e c r h i s i p t 1:01:11: r, c. c i at Brewer, aged 78. 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