The Sun. — London, England, 1848-05-17 00:00:00

•••••••• ILI.' COURT CIRCULAR. Ms Loyal Highness the Prince of Prussia visi t ed the Queen yesterday, and remained to luncheon with her Majesty and Prince Albert._ Their Royal Highnesses the Prince of Wales, the Princeiss Royal, and the Princess Alice, took a carriage drive yesterday. Th'.ir Royal Highnesses Prince Alfred, the Princess Helena, and the Princess Louisa, took airings in the pleasure g rounds of the Palace yesterday. Her Majesty and Prince Albert, accompanied by the Prince of Prussia, left Buckingham Palace at half-past four o'clock yesterday afternoon for the East India Docks, for the purpose of inspecting the Chinese Junk. The Prince of Wales and the Princess Royal accompa nied. her Majesty and her Royal Consort. The royal suite followed in another carriage and four, and consisted of the Countess of Cleveland (Lady in Waiting), Lord Alfred Paget (Clerk Marshal), Colonel the Hon. Charles Grey (Equerry in Waiting), and Captain the Hon. Alexander Gordon (Equerry in Waiting to Prince Albert). After inspecting the Chinese Junk, the august party drove to Victoria Park, and returned to Bucking ham Palace at a quarter before eight o'clock. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, attended by Lady . Augusta Bruce, honoured the performance at her Majesty's Theatre with her presence yesterday evening. Her Majesty the Queen Dowager, her Royal Highness the Duchess Bernhard of Saxe Weimar, Prince Edward and the Princesses Anne and Ameba of Saxe Weimar, visited her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent yes terday, at her residence. Clarence House, St. James's. A Cabinet Council was held yesterday afternoon, at the Foreign-office. It was attended by all the Ministers in town. The Council sat two hours. Mr. Horatio Waddington, Barrister-at-Law, has suc ceeded Mr. S. Mark Phillipps as Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department, and transacted business yesterday, at the Home-office. Mr. G. Cornewall Lewis, M.P., has succeeded Sir Denis Le Marchant, Bart., as the. Parliamentary Under- Secretary of State for the Home Department. A. deputation on the subject of the Audit of Railway Accounts Bill, consisting of Mr. George Hudson, M.P., Mr. George Carr Glyn, M.P., Mr. Charles Russell, Mr. William Chaplin, M.P., Mr. D. Waddington, M.P., Mr. William Jackson, M.P., Mr. S. M. Peto, M.P., Mr. William Marshall, M.P., the Hon. R.- Dutton, Sir John Simpson, Mr. James M'Gregor, the Hon. Charles Howard, M.P., Sir Isaac Morley, and other gentlemen representing large railway interests, had an interview yesterday with Lord John Russell and the Right Hon. g. Labouchere, at the official residence of the Noble Lord, in Downing-street. The Governor of the Bank of England had an inter view with the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday. A deputation of the Council of Direction of the Sur veyors' Association consisting of Messrs. Cloutt, Dray son, Richardson, Wood, and Baker, had an interview with Viscount Morpeth yesterday. at the office of her Majesty's Commissioners of Woods and Forests, in Whitehall-place. Dr. Paris had an interview with Sir George Grey yes terday, at the Home-office, to present the Annual Report from the National Vaccine Establishment. Mr. Brown, Sir Thomas Birch, and Mr. C a rdwell, with a Deptitartidn from the Liverpool Operative Porters had an interview with the Right H on. H. Laboucbere, yes terday. at the office of the Board of Trade. Dispatches were sent off yesterday evening from the Colonial-office for the Governors of the West India Colonies. Dispatches were also sent off last evening from the Colonial-office for the Governor of Gibraltar. TO THE SECRETARY OF THE BRADFORD REFORM ASSOCIATION. Sir,—Ou Monday the 15th the House went into Committee on the Navigation-laws. The President of the Board of Trade announced the proposals of the Government ; which were, to leave as they are the parts relating to the Coasting Trade and Fisheries, and the manning of British, vessels, but remove the restrictions on the purchase and employment of foreign-built ships, and the conveyance of goods to and from foreign countries, both here, and in the colonies at their option. , A country which has p u t - down the monopoly of the landowners, is not likely to tolerate the monopoly of the shipovvners ; and therefore the Navigation-law. may be considered as doomed. A truth once found out, is lost no more ; and nothing can sweep the existiog generation of the knowledge, that all mono polies are to enable somebody to sell dearer, and that the amount of any difference of price thus accom plished, falls on the community in the shape of a stupid loss, such as would arise from blunting the edge of razors that more barbers might be employed in shaving. The thing of importance to know and spread the knowledge of, is that it is you at Bradford who are to pay for being shaved with the blunt razor, and that this is all that comes of it. -If there were a halfpenny -worth of good to arise to the working classes or any body else in the aggregate, you might bear the ope ration patiently. But is there any need to tell you, that if you pay fur more barbers, you pay for fewer of somebody ease ; that consequently to call it encouraging the working classes, is a blunder or a fraud; ti.at the working classes are fir too well informed to give into the fraud without being paid for it, and therefore none but those who stand in the position of the barbers, open their !ins in behalf of it; and that on the whole, it is fast growing into a stale device, which people will be laughed at who start in sane men's company. But, for all that, you had better stir in your own business when you can. The opponents, though outnumbered, are wonderfully tenacious of their plan; and on Monday two divisions, of 62 against their 26, and 63 against 26, were not sufficient to drive them from their post of obstruction. On Tuesday Mr. Horsman moved for an inquiry into the state of the Cathedrals and Collegiate Churches. These are a peculiarly sore part of the ecclesiastical establishment, and the sooner anything can be done to render them more conducive to the services of the Church and the spiritual instruction of the people, the better. Mr. Urquhart called the attention of the House to the relations of this country with Russia. In his war with Lord Palmerston's diplomacy, he found time to diverge to the correspondence in Spain. There has been much useless talk on this last subject. Everybody likes intervention, when they like the object; and the contrary. It is difficult to prove, that the British Minister's advice to Spain was not the soundest and wisest it was possible to give. It would be interest ing to know what would have.been said, if the advice had been the contrary way. Surely, though Minis ters may not always satisfy everybody, there is a debt of gratitude owing to them in these latter times, for having chosen the better part when the road was open to them to have done so much mischief by an opposite course. I am, Sir, your very obedient servant, T. PERRONET THOMPSON. Blackheath, London, May 17, 1348. PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS. (From the Votes and Proceenings of the house of Commons.) TUESDAY, MAY 16. STANDING ORDERS COMMITTEE. The following Resolutions were reported from the above Committee :- 1. That in the case of the Marchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway (Humber Ferries Improvement at Hull and New Holland. &c.) petition for additional Pro vision, the standing orders onglit to be dispensed with : • That the parties be permitted to introduce such addi tional Provision, if the Committee on the Bill shall think fit. 2. That in the case of the Hulme and Eccles Road petition, for extending the time for reading the Bi ll second time, the standing orders ought to be disp ensed with:—That the parties be permitted to read their Bill a second time on Monday, the 22d instant.—Resolutions agreed to. COLOMBIAN MINING ASSOCIATION.—Monday an adjourned meeting of this company was held at the offices in Austin-triars—J. D. Poe les, E-q., i❑ the chair —for the purpose of confirming a resolution passed or. the 6th of April for the dissolution of the company. The resolution was agreed to eueniwounly. It appeared that the liabilities were, in round numbers, 12,652 L, and that the assets in England were about 2,6001., besides assets in New Grana•ia. The directors were authorized to realize the assets of the company as soon as possible. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, May 16. ALIEN BILL. . _ The Marquis of LANDSDOWNE moved that the uommons' amendments to the Alien Bill be agreed to. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH expressed his sur- PriEe that the Noble Marquis had not explained what the amendments were, and complained generally of the • Bill , and_ me - V: 1 CAMPBELL defended the Commons' v• and said the i Bill would not inflict anyharadeshhdip on well si,,AAoreigners. Lord which had been inserted complained of the power of bail inserted in the Bill by the Commons, and disapproved of other amendments which they had made in the 4th and sth clauses, which contradicted materially ea ch other, and weakened the effect of the Bill. The introduction of n clause per m itti ng the ac cured parties to be heard in lac d by counsel and have witnesses rt i otis uz form of a trial to the pro ; . seeding—would lead to ruinous pense, and defeat the su ccessful working of the meas Such an object had b e en repudiated by their Lordships when the Bill was • before them. Earl FITZWILLIAM hoped that it world never be found necessa r y to carr y the p rovis ion: of the Bill into very erous i dan active operatio n, as it would have effect upon the friendl y relations of l foreign nations, w hich it was the profess ed wish of with foreign w thi h s country to maintain unimpaired_. Th e Marquis of .LANSDOVVNE said that if the Noble Earl had bestowed a few hours attend ance the House during the tim e the Bill was in pro g r e , : p r would have better understoo d its p urport than he se emed to do; but so indifferent was the Noble Earl to the tne : - • sure, that he-never once was present whilst it was under Ponsideration. The only purpose which the Bill sought to attain was to guard this country, as far as it could, be guarded, against revolutionary attempts which might h e levelled against the constitution and the inititutions of ifaigland. He thought that the people of England &t -eamed to be guarded against nob sttempta, and it RUA THE deemed by the Government that the Bill before the House would tend to give them that security. No one throughout this country had complained of the Bill ; on the contrary, it was highly approved of. There was no reason for foreign powers to complain of an Act of Parliament which gave to England for a year or two those means of securing herself against the machina tions of foreigners which they themselves permanently possessed. Lord REDESDALE objected to the powers granted to two justices of the peace—powers greater than were to be possessed under the Bill by the Secretary of State or a Judge. These powers were conferred by the addi tional clauses, and he agreed with the Noble Earl in objecting to them. Earl GREY defended the fifth clause, which was essential to prevent an alien from being imprisoned for an indefinite period upon suspicion of being engaged in treasonable practices. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH persisted in his objection to the clause added to the Bill. The amendments were then agreed to. POOR-HOUSES (IRELAND) BILL. The Earl of DEVON moved the second reading of this Bill. Lord MONTEAGLE gave notice that in the Com mittee he should propose an amendment restraining the power of giving agricultural employment under the Bill to young persons who might be in the workhouses. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE entirely concurred in the view taken by his Noble Friend. The Govern ment would be prepared to introduce a provision similar to that announced by him. The object of the Bill was to improve agricultural science, and to a fford the young persons in workhouses opportunities for learning. The Earl of DEVON concurred in the view taken by the Noble Lords on both sides of the House. The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL wa ive moreuite sure whether it would not be desirable to give land to the workhouses than to restrict its qutity. The Bill was then read a second time. Their Lordships adjourned at Half-past Seven o'clock. - -------esow- -- 16. CATHED HOUSE O F O ANDF CCOOLMLE F. r b e l v r i 0. eIIsIIINVASTEMCaIydIUdRCHES. were larishes • but that number en e th continuation p ) a t p r r e o n cz e e e f t t h o e s a d y e i --- a n richestand 13 0 f were th es e u v n . d e r e e r and chapter of Lincoln 96 p t ° to ßB lB M .lo AN the ( r i Of these, 8 produced had since been cut down to 27. laboutoLp2esroal.n;ne6re, .froomflesoola.rtsoe 2tohoel. disposed of by the c hapter among themselves. Of th e 27, only 11 h ad resident clergymen, and in 9 ethers the clergymen had other duties to perform. He had re ceived a letter from a clergyman in Lincolnshire, stating that the churches in the patronage of the dean and chap ter were almost without an exception in a forlorn and wretched condition ; the churches were falling and the people degraded morally ahtlghoaeued a md n rioe d yetnah i cte n eahr t al e e: ne l d l dtd e hh c efei t ,xr u ip a , :e l lnwaysd• and, ii ndst a u,i n sirt a. d cre ra. t rmol h eef a et I t toyte a nhr n eaes cathedralaefromln deroaft other io t n h ep in property peterhgr country teyymmwetanaons clergyman who did not deplore the present system. But what was the state of the churches in the city of Lincoln itself ? Formerly there were 52 churches, now reduced to 13, the patronage of which was divided among the members of the chapter. These could - scarcely be called churches, for they were miserable, decayed, dilapidated buildings, such as could not be found in any district under the control of a cathedral chapter. Here, as in Canterbury, the churches were so served and the incumbents ill paid. Those 13 churches in Lincoln were held by 10 incumbents, of whom six have other clerical duties independent of those of their parishes. The highest stipend was 1501., and there was one as low as 681. per annum; but the income of the clergy of the whole of them was 1,4441. a year, or less than the income of one member of the chapter.—(Hear.) With respect to the provision made for the congrega tions, he had a return of all the attendances at the estab lished churches and all the dissenting chapels in the city of Lincoln on last Sunday. He found that of the 13 churches nine only were opened for morning service, three for afternoon service, and seven for evening ser vice, and in all of them only 19 services were performed. There were present at the morning services, 1.013; at the afternoon, 175; and at the evening, 1,075 — making a total of 2,263, out of a population of 13,000, inhabitants. On the same day the attendance at the dissenting chapels were as follows :—in the morning, 2,565 ; and in the evening, 3,102 ; making a total of 6;667 in ten dissenting chapels, which had twenty-one services. The greatest number attending the churches was 1,075, whilst the greatest number attending the chapels was 3,100, being three to one. He therefore 4sked again could these things be heard without feel ings of sorrow and shame, and would it be wise or just to permit such a state of things to exist ?—(Hear.). lie end no return of the attendance at the cathedral, but he Ihad a document to which he must draw the particular attention of the House, because it gave a better insight into the services at the cathedral than could be gained -rom any statistical return. He had in his hand adocu ment, certainly the most extraordinary ever issued to a religious and Christian public. He wished that the worst which could be said of the attendants at cathedrals were that they were indifferent or altogether heartless. But he would give the House a description of the attend ants at the cathedral service of Lincoln, written by no less an authority than the Dean, and addressed to the vergers, stall-keepers, and other officers of the cathedral, these words:—" Whereas complaints have bean made to me from several quarters, and I have likewise myself observed that persons are placed in the stalls, or most distinguished :places of the cathedral who do not come within the rules of our church discipline, which bupposes ~ v ery one to be seated according to his rank, quality, and station—(Hear, hear, and laughter)—whence arise the abuses of—first, a total disregard of the rubrics, such persons often remaining in a sitting posture during the whole of the service, neither standing nor kneeling at the appointed periods—often, no doubt, from ignorance ; secondly, a system of talking, laughing, and jesting during the service, to the anno3ance of their devouter neighbours, with such attitudes, gestures, and postures is would be unbecoming even in private houses ; and whereas, on remonstrance with some of these persons, they have declared their intePtion to resist all attempts to reduce them to better order, I hereby require and order you—first, to exercise your best judgment and discretion, aided by whatever knowledge of the persons you may possess, to admit no person whatever to the stalls who does not bear, or appear to you to bear the character of a gentleman." —(Laughter.) The document went on to recommend that all persons should be forcibly removed from the stalls who persisted in their ill behaviour after being remonstrated with. Under the circumstances it was no doubt very proper on the part of the Dean to issue such a document; but what a picture did it present of the serviees of our cathedrals.—(Hear, hear.) In the memo rial to which be had already alluded, from the Dean and Chapter of Lincoln, they stated that their regular attendance upon the choral services of the church securod to the public the full preservation of the most beautiful ' and striking solemnities of Christian worship, together with the must substantial comforts of daily prayer and t hanksgiving. How did that contrast with the the order just read? That was an order more fitted for those who infested a public-house or a playhouse than for the attenders of a Christian church.—(Hear, hear.) And it was that of which the public had so much right to complain. It was wrong and unjust to say that there was any want of sympathy with these establishments, or that on the part of the public there was any want of acknowledgment of what had been owing to them in times pist, or was due to them in times present. Cathedral stalls were an object of attachment to Englishmen; still more the magnificent Cathedral services. But for the abuses attached to them, there were few persons who would not feel for them all that veneration which could possibly be felt by the most devout attender on these public services—few who would not say, with one of their greatest admirers— " Yet do these structures of our fathers' age Shame the weak efforts of art's later page — Say, whence the skill these darker times possess'd? In those true days men gave to God their best." He had also returns of the Sunday attendance at the cathedrals, but did not think it necessary to go into them, or to detain the House much longer. But it .ould be a great mistake to suppose that the influence ' of the chapter was confined to the cathedral city; from the property in the neighoourhood, the parishes under theiro patronage and the preferments to which they ap p"nett, it was obvious the chapters must exercise very grettt_i_e s tuence, in every sense of the word, in the tils ",et around. He had a return of seventy-five paiishes withi n ten or twe l ve m il es o f L on d on , al most every one of whi c h had been personally visited, and regarding which minute details,- he was furnished with the most l_e o w t ould give the House a mere sum• teary of the r esu l t parishes, there were this inquiry. In the whole 75 only 30 resident incumbents and 12 resident curates; and only clergymen of any kind v w e i d t h at th er Lincoln, l e h n d l r n a 1 were resident m their e o i r gh s t o c m a e se o s th th e e r either in conse greuseindoeent clergymenof connexion officiated on the cause. In 22 cases the minister t parish. Of were held by Sundays lived in some more or less o d' parsonage house, 75 livings, 44 were held in plurality, (Hear, non-resident ministers, 42 were without h o use, and 60 had only one service in thaellaiPyu.nti hear.):Let it not be said that these cases,of of the i tand non-residence. were provided for by Act or for he had details to show that many of thetas werentirt had d e t Act; aken that plac ien sincesom e c th as e e s appointmentspassing Act ; that in others, licenses for non-residence in vi ia t plurality icn of had been granted ; and that in other cases, the diocesan might have compelled the Luilding of parsonage • h ou se and residence, but had not done so. So much had this ev il struck the Bishop of London himself, that some time ag o he had published a very ad mirable-charge on that subject, in which he said:---‘ , I am determined to enforce the provisions of the Act. I am satisfied that no single cause has contributed more to the prevalence of dissent in this diocese than the too frequent practice of having only one service on the Sun day. When the parishioners see that a resident clergy man, having the care of a single church, opens it only once on the Lord's day, the impression naturally made on their minds is,: . that he is more desirous of consulting his own ease than of promoting their spiritual welfare, and that they should be disposed to turn to any teacher who professed to supply diem with the spiritual food for which they hunger." Ho was very sorry to find that experience did not show that direction to have been acted 0 s; for it was impossible to conceive any district in a state of greater aeglect than that immediately around the parishes be had referred to. He would now direct attention to the state of the clergy themselves. He could show their poverty, their pri va tions, their suff er i ngs; he could show cases that had occurred since he began to institute`l2 . • wher e it would not be too much to say that the clergy had actually died from starvation; he could show from , the letters of gentlemen of t h e highest character re sident in thosedistricts, that there harrowing tale than the $ =amp of those clergy. In- SUN, LONDON, stead of that, he preferred placing the matter in another point of view; he would show the labours they under took, the exertions they made—the manner in which one portion of the clergy neglected their duty, while another eplearsfsorszeteddmaosrfeoltlohwans ;_thniTr hseharere. rector r Oe o n f a r o i f th ehi e ivi l n a g tt i e n r my neighbourhood (it was sixteen miles off) had taken his family to the waterside. He sent his groom to me to know if I could take his duty at half-past ten o'clock next Sunday morning. I said no: I was engaged at that hour, but that I would take it at twelve o'clock." There being no one else at band, twelve o'clock was fixed accordingly, and the distant parishioners of this rich rector, who came to church at the usual hours, found to their surprise that they would have to wait an hour and three-quarters before the service commenced. At half past seven o'clock in the morning the clergyman who had been applied to left home on his pony to do duty at his own church, which was sixteen miles away. The service began at ten ; he got through it as quickly a s possible, gave a short sermon, and then galloped off to the church of the rich rector, where, by dint of hard riding, he arrived just in time to do duty there, at twenty minutes after twelve. Here he got through the service again as rapidly as possible, and then galloped awa y other fifteen miles across the country to do duty for another incumbent, who was ill. The service there was at teattn miles back, - arrivinghreeheaentthr late oaght a he this w duty, and then gal loped parish church, where a small congregation was waiting anxious to know whether a parson was coming to give them a service or not. It was easy to suppose the state of fatigue in which this clergyman must have returned home late at night.—(Hear, hear.) This he did on eight successive Sundays in the dog-day's.—(hear.) But he stated that he had even done harder work than that. He said—" One day when Mr. M., who is very fond of shooting, had gone to the moors, in the month of August, and his neighbour, Mr. C., .had gone to the lakes, in consequence of the death of his brother, one of these gentlemen sent to me to ask me to take his duty. I replied that it was impos sible. Master, sir (said his groom, who brought the message), will be very sorry to hear that, for he is sadly confused.' I said, ' Well, then, tell him if he will send me one of his hunters to meet me at Lincoln, I will try to take the service for him at six in the evening.'" It was agreed upon that the matter should be so arranged. On the Sunday the clergyman started on his pony and rode to his first parish, 15 miles off, where his service was at halt-past ten. He had two parishes of his own; the second was two miles from the first; but he managed to take the service there at one. The parish of Mr. C., fur whom he had also to do duty, was not tar off, and he managed to arrive there in time for the service at half past three. " Then," he continued, " I rode as hard as I could gallop to Lincoln, where I found a splendid mare waiting. I shut up my ow.. pony in the stable, and gal loped 10 miles to Mr. M.'s parish, which I reached at six. 'This I continued to do for three Sundays in the month of August; and to make matters worse, on one of those I was overtaken and drenched by an autumnal thunderstorm."—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") That was one case out of many, proving the hard labours to which these poor clergy were exposed. In the memorial to which he had already referred, the chapter' expressed great alarm at a n y innovation, and referred to their past exertions in the cause of education re ligious religious establishments, improvement, an d their their g en e rat superintendence influenceot roen the state of the city; and they added, " We fear there is moving abroad a mischievous disposition to magnify. at our expense, the pastoral office and ministerial duties of those who are invidiously called the working clergy."— (Hear, hear.) This was no invidious phrase, but one which had originated in the distinction between those poor clergymen who did the work, and the rich who re ceived large salaries and emoluments, paying pittances to those by whom the work was done.—(Hear, hear.) To show how little had been done in these districts, in the way boasted of, he might state, that, out of 4,5001. a year received by the Ecclesiastical Com missioners from the benefices of this diocese, only 4901. had been laid out; and that out of 376 poor livings, they had only augmented 72. There were innumerable cases of destitution which had been very grievously neglected. Into these it was unnecessary to enter, or to go into the cases of other cathedrals; the two he had ad iuced were sufficient to establish the po sition with which he set out. He could show in others the evils arising from the system of letting church pro perty, whereby everything like improvement was put an end to.—(Hear.) He could show cases of chapter li braries containing rare and magnificent books, which anywhere else it would be a privilege to look into, but of which the last catalogue had been made in the last century. There were instances of persons wanting to visit these storehouses of knowledge, when none of the chapter knew who had the key, and where the lock was so rusty that the key would nut turn and the door could not be opened; and in one case, the party who had charge of the library key had complained of the great annoyance caused by a clergyman constantly coming to consult books.—(Hear, hear.) These me morialists claimed to be the promoters of education; but he could show that they abused their trust as trus tees of grammar schools, as much as they did in the chapter; he could show lands and estates made away with; he could show—by letters to clergymen from the chapter themselves, who had become careless by long impunity —proposals as to managing the affairs of their churches which were perfectly scandalous. But in all these abuses nothing appeared to him so flagrant as the regulation which had been imposed by Act of Parliament directing that all the patronage vested in these chapters should be given to themselves, and precluding them from bestow ing any portion of their preferments on deserving clergy men in their neighbourhood. If there was one thing more than another which should have been encouraged by the Legislature it was the seeking out of deserving clergymen for the bestowal of preferments; but instead of that, Parliament compelled the chapters to divide those preferments amongst themselves, and forbade their being bestowed on others. They were to be given in the first instance to the members of the chapter, then to the minor canons, then they might be given to the master of the grammar-school; and if within six months they were not given to any of the three the patronage lapsed to the bishop. He had heard a reason as signed for this regulation which he would not now state; but if it were true, nothing could pronounce a stronger sentence of condemnation on the characters and pro ceedings of these parties. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman then referred to two petitions which he had presented from Wokingham and Carlisle (which have been printed with the votee), and read part of their con tents. He had now stated all he thought necessary to bring before the House. The two chapters he had re ferred to were a fair sample of the rest. He would now ask the House whether it was possible or right to allow these things to continue? There were many exemplary individuals amongst the members of these chapters ;. tie did not blame them, bet the system and the law ; and he wished to enforce a change in the law by appealing to the good sense and conscientious feelings of the Legislature. It these things were allowed to continue, in a very short period the evil must get ahead of us. There was nut one of the cathedral cities in England in which the Dissenters did not show a greater proportion to the Establishment than in almost any other part of the country.—(Hear, hear.) Thanking the House tor having listened to him so long and so patiently, he would now move, " That an humble address be pre sented to her Majesty, praying that she will be gra ciously pleased to direct an inquiry to be made into the state of our cathedrals and collegiate churches, with a view of ascertaining whether they may not be rendered more conducive to the services of the Church, and the spiritual instruction of the people." Lord R. GROSVENOR said he rose to second the motion, in the absence of his Noble Friend the Member ror Bath. Ile was most dearly attached to the Esta blished Church; but feeling it the best means of dissemi nating the doctrines of the religion he professed, and, believing that, despite some deformities, the great majority of the people were sincerely attached to it, he was most anxious that it should be freed from the abuses alluded to. He earnestly desired its extension; but how could this be effected, either by public or private means, so long as pluralities and non-residence were suffered to exist, and its revenues were misapplied?—(Hear, hear.) Without committing himself to every statement of his Hon. Friend, he begged to thank him for having brought forward this motion, by which he must have created many enemies, although actuated doubtless by the purest motives. The time and attention he had bestowed in procuring his details must have been most considerable. If only a tithe of what he had stated were true a com plete case for inquiry had been made out.—(Elear, hear.) He (Lord R. Grosvenor) knew enough of the cathedral establishments to be convinced that such an inquiry would be attended with the greatest possible benefit.—(Hear, hear.) Sir R. INGLIS teared that the Hon. and Learned Member (Mr. Horsman) had overrated the intelligence of the majority of the House, in assuming that they were acquainted with the origin and nature of our cathedral establishments. For himself, he must confess to a very imperfect knowledge on this matter. But this question was not of so much importance as the inquiry what were the objects and duties of our cathedral establishments at the present day. In alluding to the metropolitical cathedral of Canterbury, the Hon. and Learned Gentle man had given a statement of the attendance there of persons officially connected with the cathedral; and this was stated to be twenty-three, rather a• considerable proportion. As to the general attendance, it should al ways be,burne in mind that cathedrals were not parish churches; they were not designed as places of worship fbturrom.as large a number as their area would contain, coe u ,.l t l e r n rather e o r f to on r exhibi tsystem of worship,ott model of t t h o e w h ipuritywhich the an d wholeex - I e t v t u r P r e indecorum on the other. superstiftuiroindshoend theno equal, removed alike seen statements which gave the et dances much higher hand,h number r. But uot andf he aftersf r ihadm t w h o e u y l d e a o r t: course Fo r instance,eary than mate h r a ia d ll been stated; and they on the materially a o n n eur th a e cy 2d ef N t o h v ia ., ffe r e October,n t periods 6 2 ; on himselft e 2fi th r l e s t 2 n . th r n od W fi io ls th o e ; i thout pledging much to be relied on as the other, to w, hie e h thought it as implicit cre dence ought not to be attached. B ut a more se con sideration than the number of attendances ate rie ath l e s :ras was this. He could not but fear, notwithsta n di n g the disclaimer of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, that the tendency of his motion must be to cast an imputation on the cathedral system generally, which he alleged tended to the decay and the extinction of religion. This reminded him of a dissenting minister who declared that ; the Church destroyed more souls than it saved. How this could be said of a Church founded upon the pure doc trines of the Reformers, and cemented by the blood of martyrs, and boasting of prelates the most pious and en lightened, he could not conceive. Against such sentiments he must protest as wholly unjust. A minor point dwelt on by the Hod. and Learned Gentleman was, the income of the members of chapters. At Canterbury, he said, .the livings of the dean and canons amounted to 8,0001., and the livings in their gift to 9,2001. ; • in all, 17,0004 But he had failed to ahoy that this sum went wholly to the , members of the chapter; and the public conviction was that such was not the case. But if the law were not violated, was it fitting that the state of the Church of England should be subjected to these perpetual aiscus sions year after year? Within the last 14 or 15 years the question of the income of the cathedral clergy had been taken up and fully examined, and a legislative measure had been passed relative thereto. It was said there were numerous clergy whose income was con siderably less than that of the canons; but why not make the same objections against the gradation of rank and income in all civil and laical professions arisin g from the necessary inequality o f condit ion? Such gradation he believed to be on the whole beneficial, though he was far from wishing that the incomes of the poorer clergy should be so low. He would not pull down the high, but elevate the low. He should as soon think •f ople of a E s tig h l f an t d ak a t ti ng d taking the ingtchoemmesof amongstthe aristocracy thep(, the incomes of the hierarchy of the Church to aug • m nd a . int l a t in t e h d e of London w as t o b e t a k en awa y, that in this respect there was no difference between ment those of C o l f e a rg n y ;oth il er e ki the p p ro oo p r e e r r ty d as good a right t o se i se th a t of Churchtincome oo p u f r l d o t p h h e e a r vß t )e• isp s hus n o the corporation of London. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said that with the exception of St. Martin's, which was the mother church of England, the incomes of the incumbents of the other let livings in the neigh bourhood of the cathedral of Canterbury were very small. He (Sir R. Inglis) regretted that; but what had it to do with the dean and chapter of Canterbury? They were not bound to raise the incomes of the churches in their neighbourhood any more than those at a greater distance. The Hon. and Learned Gentle man brought it as an accusation against the dean and chapter that a population of only 4,700 attended the 16 churches in the neighbourhood of Canterbury, while 4,800 persons attended dissenting chapels. He wished that all persons were members of the Church of England; but the fact that there were 4,,300 persons attending dissenting chapels in Canterbury did not justify an attack upon the dean and chapter. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman also said that the number of official persons who attended daily service at Christ church, in Oxford, was 15, and that but 18 not officials attended. He thought the Hon. and Learned Gentleman must have been very much misinformed in that re spect, because he could say frien his own experience that the cathedral of Christchurce was most numerously attended. Every place was occupied, and the congrega tion was as attentive as in any parish church in England. —(Hear, hear.) He could also state that the cathedral body there charged the tithes with 3601. a year, for the purpose of augmenting the livings of the poorer clergy, and one of the colleges sacrificed 200/. a year for the purpose of increasing one of the small vicarages. The Hun. and LearnecCGentleman, however, directed his attack chiefly against the cathedral of Lincoln, and said that in the year 1831 an income of 6,9801. was divided amongst tour individuals—the dean, the sub-dean, chan cellor, and precentor. He could not say why the llon. and Learned Gentleman should select the income of 1831 rather than the income of 1848 ; but in the first place he would remark that no rerson had a right to make an inquiry respecting the income of another, whether lay or clerical, unless he asked for an increase. He might say, however, without breach of privilege, that the income of one of those individuals was 1,5001. ; and he would ask the House whether that was too large a sum for a person filling one of the higher stations in the Church ? But he received 1,5001. for the first year only. The second year he received but 1,1001., and this, the third year, his income was 8001. only, out of which he had to pay 2001. for the building of a house. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then went on to Carlisle Cathedral, in respect to which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's colleague (Mr. Aglionby) took every opportunity of asking the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State when he would introduce his Bill for the compulsory enfranchisement of copyholds. That Hon. and Learned Gentleman held a beneficial lease under the dean and chapter of Carlisle, which he wished to convert into a more beneficial freehold.—(" Bear, hear," from Mr Aglionby.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman quoted from a celebrated petition, which stated that the dean and chapter of Carlisle had an in come of 20,0001. a year in ono county, the fact being that their revenue from the three counties of Northum berland, Cumberland, and Weetinoreland, was 17,0001., of which they received only 3,3001., the other Hon. and Learned Member for Cockermouth, and other lawyers, receiving the difference. The petitioners, however, told their own story, and they left it to be inferred that the dean and chapter received all the money. They stated that the dean and chapter re ceived 2,000/. from the parishes of Wetheral and War wick, the actual income which they received being only 350/. He could not see why the dean and chapter should be called on in their character of lay impropria tors to supply the spiritual destitution of those places out of an income of 350/., whilst others were receiving the difference. The amount received by each canon of the cathedral of Carlisle was 5301., which could not be considered too much for those who occupied a pre-emi nent position in the Church. He hoped he never would so far forget the principles on which he always acted as to be unmindful of the spiritual destitution of the coun try. lie felt now as strongly as ever the national as well as personal duty of promoting the instruction of those who were ignorant ; but, as he stated on a former occasion, and as all subsequent inquiry con vinced him, than. could not be done ley individuals. It could not be done by the plan of the Right lion Baronet. What could be done by that plan had been done, but the spiritual destitution of the people was not dimini-hed. He agreed in the expression of the Noble Lord that civil and social prudence, as well as the religious duty, called upon them to provide for the instruction of those who were spiritually destitute. There was no better guarantee for the permanence of their institutions, and the rights of property, than that the people should be religious and educated. How were these to be invent(' to them ? All their exer tions, and al the exertions of the Dissenters, had failed to overtake the amount of destitution which prevailed. They should not look to an altered distribution of the church revenues, which had already been carried as far as it could be carried, or to any other extrinsic means, but to national aid; and the nation would tail in its duty if; while it provided at the public expense for all the other interests of the country, it, neglected and disre garded that which he believed to be the most vital and essential of all.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. AGLIONBY said that the Hon. 'Baronet had made a most uncalled-for and unreasonable allusion to him personally, and he could not conceive what had caused him to do so; for, although he cordially sup ported the proposition of his Hon. Colleague, which he hoped would excite that attention in the House which he knew it excited throughout the country, he never said anything to justify the Hon. Baronet in alluding to him as he had done. It was true that he had asked the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State when he would taring in his Bill for making compulsory the enfranchise ment of copyholds, and he would continue to do so again and again till that odious custom was abolished. It was true that he was a leaseholder under the dean and chapter, but that had nothing to do with the question before the House. He did not think that the dean and chapter of Carlisle had a right to tax skill, capital, and labour, and to reap where it never sowed. The Hon. Baronet alluded to a petition which had been presented to the House this session. He thought the dean and chapter had reason to say of the Hon. Baronet, "Save me from my friends." He did not wish to , cast opprobrium on individuals. What he found fault with was the system. Now, the petition which the Hon. Baronet alluded to contained statements, some of which he himself knew to be true, and the others he believed to be true. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman here read several of the statements in the petition, to the effect that the duties were performed by curates, who received only 201. a year, and in many instances smaller sums; that there was no resident incumbent, and that the parochial house was in a ruinous state; that two of the largest and most populous parishes, including the city of Carlisle, were served by curates, to whom the dean and chapter only gave 51. a year; that the incumbent of ano ther of the parochial curacies died in a workhouse. He thought it was a shame and a scandal that such a state of things should be suffered to exist, whether by lay or clerical irnpropriators.—(Elear, hear.) When seven out of the nine persons who were connected with the dean and chapter of Carlisle were the sons of archbishops or bishops, it was apt to create a suspicion, however wor thy the individual might be, that matters were not fairly managed.—(Hear, hear.) The petitioners stated at the end of the petition that they had no reason to believe the other cathedral churches were better ma naged, and he (Mr. Aglionby) concurred in that opi nien.—(Elear, hear.) Col. SIBTHORP defended the clergy of Lincoln from the attack of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. lie of the Hon. Member would be found to be fr ivolous, _ vexatious, and un was sure that they would n ot ob j ect to inquiry ; and if one Herr to take place, the char g es founded. He had two relatives connected with the church in Lincoln, and he should like to know whether he alluded to either of them. He did not know of a hat the subject, and he any.—(Order.) He felt strongly on s he dd, when the thought he was justified in speaking a f Lin ol t religion the Hon. Gentleman was, or whether he was of Honourable Gentleman accused the clergy _ c most conduct which, if they disgraceful to them. Mr. HORSMAN said he br • ought no charges against were guilty of it, would be most individuals. What he comrlained of was the system, was , Col. SIIITHORP said the l ivin g of Washingboro one of those which was inc luded in the limits of ten miles around Lincoln, and i f that did not give him a right to complain, he did not know what did. Mr. W. E. GLADSTONE q uite agreed with the Hon. Mover, that his motion had in no way been based upon Thequestion had been based, and very proper l y personal assault or individua l attack. based, on the operation it. The question being, whether himself about to treat the state of the law was one which required he face of it he thought the and administration of the law, and in that view he was ment, he admitted that on t old without alteration. That law brokedup its t efficiency. It cathe dral system, and very much reduce months out of law was not one which ought to be left h p e ermanently bound the canons to residence for three every twelve, but it left the d efinition o f that residence very doubtful, and it left other matters in a very ques tionable position, which it would be most desirable to have settled. He confessed f or his own part that ho it should be the Everything connected with learning . motes nd the Act duty of the cathedral dignitaries to pro m way that ca should like greatly to see the system reconsidered. Was very defective in not insisting oftheological neent e conducive to the promotion ing. He should be glad to see some of the stalls appro priated distinctly to educational purposes, whilst others lions should do something to render cathedral establish were made available to the furtherance of the parochial ministry, In the case of the former, permanent resi dence would be required, and the holders of the stalls should have no otter preferment. In the latter case (the stalls held by persons haVil 3 g °large of large WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY 17, 1848. parishes), residence of course should not be insisted on, the objects being to connect the parochial clergy with the cathedral churches, and in these cases, also, the clergy holding the stalls ought not, he thought, to re ceive any large share of the profits of the cathedral property. Taking this view, he could not but hope that, when the pressure of public business permitted, the at tention of her Majesty's Government would be directed to this subject. He did not desire to pare or cut down the revenues of these cathedrals, and if he said one word in their disparagement it was only because he belie% ed they might be made far more conducive to the general purposes of the Church. Lord J. RUSSELL agreed with the Right Honourable Gentleman who had just sat down, that it might be very desirable to take some further measures with respect to the cathedral establishments. But he was unwilling, by silence, to permit it to be assumed that he eutir,ly agreed with the way in which this case had been put by the Hon. Mover. That Hon. Gentleman seemed to thick that these establishments were useless, and even preju dicial; his own view, he must admit, was that cathedrals might be made very valuable to the purposes of religion and of the Church. re must further say, that he did not think the Hon. Gentleman had taken a very correct view of several of the points connected with the subject. For example, he was under a mistake in supposing that cathedral dignitaries were prohibited from giving their livings, except to any of their own body. Now, it was entirely in their power to give their livings to any clergyman in the diocese, who had served as incumbent or curate therein for a period of five years. Again, with respect to the construction of the Act, the lion. and Learned Member had certainly not attributed sufficient importance to what had been done under the authority of the Ecclesiastical Commisson. That Com mission had power, under words which he (Lord John Russell) had introduced, with the assent of the late Archbishop of Canterbury, and the late Earl of liar rowby, to apply the funds of cathedral stalls and pre bends, to the cases of parishes having large populations, and to those parishes out of which local ties might arise. The Hon. Member's argument, therefore, certainly was not borne out that the first object should be to raise the incomes of livings merely geographically approximating to cathedrals; nor did he (Lord John Russell) think it would be desirable that such augmentations should be the first to be made. Differing from the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, however, as to these points, he was glad to pay his tribute to his industry and perseverance in dealing with the question generally, and he was quite preparers to say that in the general spirit of his motion he entirely concurred. He did not precisely see how the plan proposed by the Right Honourable Gentlema❑ who bad just sat down, of appropriating stalls to the purposes of theological learning, could be carried out, because questions would undoubtedly arise as to how the most learned men could be selected ; but in any propo sition to appropriate the proceeds of stalls to the ad vancement of parochial objects he entirely concurred. It the House at all agreed in that view, he had only to add that though there might be inconvenience in agreeing to the motion in its present form, yet he thought the whole subject required attention; that the Government would continue, as they had done, to give it that atten tion; and that he thought that the latter words of the motion, that " Measures to ascertain whether the cathe drals might not be rendered more conducive to the ser vices of the Church and the spiritual instruction of the people," ought to be adopted. Mr. HUME expressed his gratification at hearing the concludit g words of the Nobie Lord's declaration. lie adverted to the argument of the Hon. Member for the University, that church property stood on the same touting as private property, and denied that such was the case.—(Hear, hear.) They must recollect that this property was derived from the public. He thanked the Hon. Gentleman for bringing forward this motion. His statement of that night would go forth to the public, and would make a great impression on every thinking mind. Out of the Hon. Member's proceedings infinite good results would, he was sure, arise. Mr. GOULBURN said the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down seemed entirely to have forgotten that, during the last twenty years, material alterations had been made in the cathedral establishments of the country ; and he begged him to show how and when the property of the Church was given to it by Parliament and by the public ?—(liear, hear.) With regard to the motion before them, he thought, after the speech of the Noble Lord, ♦ery little remained for them to discuss. He had never been a supporter of abuses, and it the abuses stated to-night, or any part of them, were found to exist he should be one of the first to assent to in quiry. With respect to the Hon. Member's speech, he agreed with the Noble Lord that the tendency of the Hun. Members's speech was the uselessness of cathe drals, and the desirability of their entire abolition. he Honourable Member contrasted the small incomes of city incumbents with the large incomes of cathedral canons. If the Hon. Member had gone out of cathedral cities to other and more populous towns he would, per baps, have found the incomes no higher. Was it fair then to atti ibute the poverty of the clergy to the fault of the cathedrals? The fault, if fault there was, was, was with the law, or with the Ecclesiastical Com missioners who administered it. The Commissioners, however, had only fulfilled the intention of Parliament by meeting the most urgent cases first. The Noble Lord had referred to one instance of a mistake made by the Hon. Gentleman. He would refer to another. In stating the case of Lincoln the Hun. Member said that the income of the chapter there might go on augmenting. But by 5 and 6 Victoria the incomes of the dean and canons were limited to a specified sum, and if their in comes reached or exceeded that sum, the surplus would go to the Ecclesiastical Commissioners for parochial purposes. With respect to what the Hon. Gentleman had said of Archdeacon Croft, he thought also that the Hun. Gentleman ought also to have apprised the arch dsacon of his intention to make a serious charge against him. He reminded the Hon. Gentleman that a cause of this sort was not promoted by a personal attack. But he would say nothing more on that subject. There seemed, indeed, to be so much unanimity upon the question be• fore them, that it was unnecessary. Mr. J. HEYWOOD was not quite aware of what was the use of deans and chapters in this country. It ate peered to him that in some respects they were draw backs upon the efficiency of the Church. In a recent case, for instance, they had endeavoured to oppose the appointment by the Crown of one of our most eminent theologians to a bishopric. With regard to their ad vancement of learning he mentioned that when the Bri tish Association for the promotion of science held their meeting at Oxford, the dean of Christchurch was absent and nothing was done by the cathedral dignitaries for the advancement of scientific objects. Sir E. N. BUXTON was most unwilling to let any opportunity pass without thanking the Honourable Member for Cuckermouth for bringing this question turward. It did seem to him, that, with a teeming population in our large towns, it was our duty to ap ply the funds of the Church to supply the necessities of a spiritually destitute people. Church property was only held by the Church in trust for the benefit of the people, and it ought to be applied for the relief of their spiritual necessities wherever they existed. He had heard with regret that any portion of that property was received by persons who did little or nothing for their monies. Mr. HENLEY said that the Hon. Member who had just sat down went rather too far in his doctrine of trusteeship, for he not only thought that the State had a right to see the trust performed, but also to declare what that trust was. This was but one step from saying that they could do as they liked with Church property. lie objected altogether to this new fangled notion, and therefore felt a difficulty in assenting to the proposition that Church property was trust property at all. An lion. Member had thought fit to find fault with the Dean of Christchurch, and had given then a version of use fulwa s t shame institutions.m e Oxford what he considered to bo the proper qualities of a dean. he He had also favoured them with what he considered to be a scientific dean. And as it appeared that those notions of science were measured by the fact of whether or not a gentleman gives a breakfast to a great number of hungry sawans, by the same rule they might conclude that if he was to give a good dinner, with a good French cook, he would - doubtless be considered pious into the bargain.—(Laughter.) This, he took it, was all the lion. Member could bring up against the unfor tunate Dean of Christchurch. lie could not say that the case which the Hun. Member had brought be fore the House had convinced him (Mr. Henley) of the justice of the motion with which he had concluded. Going over such large fields as that Gentleman had done it was not difficult for him to dress up a case in the manner he had, especially whet he had got his facts to suit his case, instead of getting his case to suit his facts. The Hon. Member had certainly failed to convince him that any good could result from the matter. The mat ters in question were in the hands of the Eeclesiastical Commissioners—a body of which he was not particu larly fond —(Hear, hear)—but he had no doubt that they would do their duty well; and if they did not the Hon. Member was doubtless disposed to keep a sharp eye upon them, and to bring the subject before the House whenever he could. Mr. HORSMAN, in explanation, stated that the Hon. Member had misapprehended some points of what he had said. He had stated that those establishments which were endowed for great purposes, as now admi nistered, did not render the services for which they were originally intended ; and he conceived that such i a n n g ob a s n er ( v )p at in io i n on w t a h s a c t e t r o i s r e ily es n ta o b t li e s q h u m iv e a n i t e s n w t e to re e u x s p e r i e e s s s s - . W tt h h he a yeh t pawdr h eo e circeeu h ees a dsu d teffidoe s nr a eet i do d d ttwmohaeabs maintain ntathabaiant correctnesss the et.at m Hto the Nut one syllable had fallen from him about cutting down their revenues, or reflecting on them as tha o t ffi c c e e r s t . ain Th d e utie H s on s . ho 2 u l l e d mb a e l r wa t y o valuable those institutions might be made, the greater s r the e his returns, and the authority on which he had made statement; returns were in every case accurate, and with regard to the other point, that he made no statement unless he was prepared to give up the authorities upon which they were founded. lie understood from the Noble Lord that without going to the length of • • issuing a commission of inquiry, ho ac elated the necessity of such an inquiry, and was ready to go • t • o it. Under those circum stances he (Mr. Horsman) did not feel it necessary to proceed with his motion, and would accordingly with draw it. FOREIGN POLICY. Mr. URQUHART rose to call the attention of the House to the relations of this country with Russia, in reference to the events of the north of Europe. After some preliminary observations, he said that circum stances had recently taken place in the west of Europe which caused a sense of insecurity to be connected with the conduct of the foreign affairs of this country; and so late as the previous day in Paris a manifes tation of public feeling had taken place with regard to hpsi assignednseti apt Universitylee to w such as Poland which he conceived must point out the real sources of Europe's danger. The ..proposition which he was about to make was twofold. It was whether the Go vernment had neglected that portion of the country's interest which was alone within the sphere of Govern ment to conduct, and if, in consequence of that neglect, another power had profited to an extent which pro mised to be dangerous to this country. He would prefer to place his resolution in a different form, and he would accordingly make it an address for papers, which he supposed there would be no difficulty in granting. The Hon. Members who had formerly advocated the cause of Poland had all disappeared, and while he (Mr. Urqu hart) felt humiliated at being left nearly alone at the task, he thought he must be encouraged by the House in the course which he was taking,when the condition of Poland was considered, and when it was also con sidered that England was in alliance with the enemy of that country. The object for which he claimed the attention of the House was not an abstract but a particular and clear object. It depended on the voice and opinion of that House, expressed on any one of the questions which turn the current of the public policy of this country—it depended on that House, the ally of Russia or of France, to sanction acts of injustice and public crime, or to make this country the protector of the world. It was for that he claimed its protection on that occasion; and if the House would `only give the subject which he brought before them the same care and time which it would bestow on a railway enterprise, or any unimportant question, he declared that no possible injury could accrue to foreign affairs or from foreign dangers. In his judgment of the case, to which he had given a most thorough investigation, he considered that it such was given there was nothing beyond the shores of the Channel that would present to England any aspect either of danger or embarassment, but, on the contrary, would present every opportunity for the preservation of strength and security. This country was in the habit of deciding on the internal affairs of other countries as if they were its own. He asked, was the House aware, when it raised a ministry to conduct the affairs of this country, that it was also a ministry for the government of foreign states? The Government had brought the country into a most extra ordinary position at the present time in Europe, and he warned them if they did not restrain their present policy, that the tide would be turned against them, and they would fall a victim to the injurious manner in which its affairs had been conducted. The origin of the anomalous and extraordinary state of things which was at present in existence was the Holy Alliance. That anis:lice had been prompted by Russia, who bound Prussia and Aus tria, who became its slaves ; the accession of France took place not directly, but in an insidious manner, and still under the direction of Russia ; Hollaud :Acceded likewise at her instigation ; and Swi,zerland acceded from the same cause ; consequently, the Holy Alliance was established in Europe to manage the affairs of na tions it the instigation of Russia. It was well known that England had refused to accede to that alliance ; but he proceeded to maintain that the Government had, by their foreign policy, deviated from the principle which had dictated that refusal, and had allowed Russia to hold a supremacy which was injurious to the inte rests of this country and the other countries of Europe. The question was one of the deepest interest, and there was high authority for the supposition—in which he did nut concur, but with regard to which, all that he himself required was that it should be con curred in—that the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Palmer ston) had been no match for the policy of that Cabinet. Napoleon had said, in reference to the position of Russia with regard to Europe, that all depended upon Poland, and that if Alexander succeeded in reconciling Poland to Russia, the Russian Government would have gained the greatest etep towards subduing India. Poland was now the great question of Europe, and he regretted to say that the last time that country was in a state of revolution, namely, in [B3O, her interests had been sacri ficed by England, as was fully shown by the dispatches of the Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs (which the Hon. Member read to the House)—that Noble Lord avowing in 1831 that his fears were not against Russia, but against France. He apprehended, judging from the conduct of that Noble Lord, that the same diplomatic agency which extinguished the life of Poland in 1830, would, now that she was no longer in a position to assert her rights, prevent its revival. Poland was the link between England and France, and if they suffered Poland to be destroyed they could no longer hope for any intercouse between these countries, or even between the East and the West. The Hon. Member concluded by moving that an humble address be pre sented to her Majesty, praying for a copy of the papers relating to the treaty ot'Unkiar Skelessi, and also for a copy of the correspondence that had taken place relative to the proffered mediation of Great Britain between Prussia and Denmark in respect to Schleswig-Holstein. Mr. HOME seconded the motion. Lord PALMERSTON said he was quite aware of the power as well as the right which was possessed by every Member of that House to make a speech upon any subject without giving notice of his intention; at the same time, there had been certain rules framed for the convenience of the House, which, when departed from, were productive of much inconvenience. The Hon. Member for Stafford was somewhat prone to depart from those rules. There was a saying attributed to a cele brated diplomatist to the effect that speech was given to man to enable him to conceal his thoughts; so also it would seem that the Hon. Member placed his notices on the paper in order to conceal the subiect of his motion. The Ron. Member's notice on the paper stated that it was his intention to call the attention of the House to the relations of this country with Russia, and instead of confining himself to that topic, he had sprung upon him (Lord Palmerston) two addresses for papers of which he had given no notice whatever. The lion. Member had stated the:reasons why the House should ac cede to the addresses in question. The first of those mo tions related to the treaty of Unkiar Skelessi, and the second to the offer of mediation of Great Britain it re spect to the Schleswig-holstein question; and the Hon. Member stated that it was necessary for those paper.; to be laid before Parliament, in order that the country might perceive how Russia was combined with Austria for the purpose of preventing Prussian Poland from uniting with the other portion of that &minion hell by Russia and Austria. He could assure the House that the papers moved for would throw no light whatever upon that subject. The treaty of Unkiar Skelessi had lasted eight years, and was defunct, having been put an end to by the events consequent upon the Syriac war of 1841. That treaty had nothing whatever to do with the subject of Polish nationality. Tne correspondence which regarded the affairs of Schleswig-Holstein and the mediation of Great Britain with Prussic and Denmark, had no bearing upon the affairs of Poland or of Russia, and he objected to produce any such correspondence, as it might be highly prejudicial to make it public at pre sent.—(liear, hear.) The House, he was persuaded, would not desire such correspondence to be pro duced.—(Hear, hear.) The Honourable Member for Staf ford went into a great many topics, but he (Lord Pal merston) should abstain from following him in the argu ments or details he had entered upon. The Hon. Member had expatiated 'against the treaty of the Holy Alliance. He (Lerd Palmerston) was the last man in that House who would stand up and offer any opposition to the disparagement of that treaty by the Honourable Member. There was nothing in the policy pursued by the present Government which could be in any way as similated to the treaty of the Holy Alliance, or which either anticipated or would be supposed to lead to the consequences aimed at by that treaty. When the Hon. Member stated that the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs exercised a controlling influence over the affair of foreign European States, he ascribed to the Govern mint of which he had the honour to be a Member, a far greater degree of power than the course of events on the Continent would bear out. The Government of her Majesty had done their best for the good of their coun try, as well as of mankind, and with some success in several instances, but with less good fortune in others — for they had not accomplished all that they wished. But he certainly did not understand what the cases were that the Hon. Member put on the footing of having been dealt with under the policy dictated by the treaty of the holy Alliance. Perhaps the Hon. Member alluded to Bel gium ; if so, ho must remind him that the King of Hol land had himself called the conference, at which the terms of settlement between that country and himself were to be based ; and that conference had been called during the Ministry of the Duke of Wellington, the two first protocols having been signed, not by himselr, but by the Earl of Aberdeen, who was then Foreign Secre tary. Therefore, the Hon. Member's observations on that head altogether passed by the present Government, and he was ready to accede to all that had been said by him respecting the treaty of the Holy Alliance. The Hon. Member then said that the whole policy of Eng land had been directed towards the promotion of the ob jects sought to be attained by Russian diplomacy. He (Lord Palmerston) was aware that the Hon. Member had a standing idea upon that subject—(A laugh)—and that it was useless for him to try to alter it.—(Hear, hear.) All he should say upon the subject therefore was, that her Majesty's Ministers tried by every means in their power to benefit the country to which they had the honour to belong and which they served, and that they recognised neither national enemies nor national friends in foreign powers; but if they found a foreign nation pursue a policy which accorded with their own they regarded it as friendly, and if not, they regarded it otherwise than as friendly. The Hon. Member had quoted a sentence from a book written by M. Louis Blanc, wherein that person attributed hostile inten tions to him (Lord Palmerston) because he had said that 'in 1831 France was the great object of jealousy to England. How M, Louis Blanc could arrive at a knowledge of what he had thought he knew not, but as far as the statement in question was concerned, he must observe that no English Minister could have made any such assertion, seeing that England and France were joined together in effecting a great European object at the particular time when such a statement was attributed to him, and, consequently, when there existed the least possible ground for any jealousy on the part of England. The Hon. Member stated that it was this jealousy which had prevented the Polish nationality from being re stored. He admitted that Russia had rights under the treaty of Vienna, and he (Lord Palmerston) must remind the Hon. Member that the Government with which he had acted never admitted Russia to possess other rights than those already ceded to her by the treaty of Vienna , and certainly had never dreamed of going beyond the strict limits of that treaty. he did not know whether it was necessary for him to an swer the other portions of the speech made by the Hon. absent Member. It was on principle that he had objected to the course pursued by him. He objected to the first address, because the papers called for would throw no light upon the subject, and he should resist the second address because he objected to the produc tion of any correspondence, on the ground that such a course would very seriously mar the negotiations that were going on between this country and Prussia sad Denmark. Mr. HUME said that he was anxious to explain his reasons for having seconded the motion of the lion. Member. On a former evening an Hon. Baronet had counted:out the House in a very ungracious manner, the Hon. Member having a moti on immediately pending. When ho (Mr. Hume) had met th© Hon. Member that day he told him that he should be happy to give him the opportunity, of which he had been deprived, of bringing forward his motion, and on the ground that the House ought not to deny a hearing to any lion. Member, he had offered to second the motion. With regard to the motion itself, whil,t he concurred generally with the lion. Member in thinking that improper interference in foreign nations had too often taken place, he did not think he had made out a case for the production of the papers and correspondence moved for: Mr. K. TYNTE expressed his surprise at the conduct of the Hon. Member for Montrose in seconding a motion which he subsequently determined not to vote for. He hoped the House would not assent to the production of the papers asked for by the Hon. Member. Lord D. STUART agreed with the Noble Lord as to the propriety of adhering to the rules laid down for not discussing any topic in that House without giving pre vious notice. At the same time, as the known and avowed intention of the Hon. Member for Stafford was to call the attention of the House generally to the state of the foreign relations of England, he was surprised to hear the Noble Lord object to the speech of the lion. Member on a mere point of order. It. was highly advisable that some Hon. Member should occasionally call the attention of the House to the state of the foreign relations of Great Britain, and no one had more fre quently or efficiently done so than the Noble Lord vvhert ued not seated on the Treasury bench. The policy purs by Russia had a most important bearing on England ; and at the present moment more so than ever, tonal during the critical position of Europe. It was by meats of Poland that Russia was chiefly connected with Europe, and that was the reason why she was so anxious to maintain her ascendancy in Poland. He could not avoid taking this opportunity of urging upon the attention of the Government and the House the present condition of the unfortunate and oppressed inhabitants of Poland, wh o not only were tyrannised over for their ardent and de• termined devotion to the cause of liberty, but had beet most basely and shamefully calumniated throughout Europe by the falsehoods sent forth by the German press, and adopted by the press of this country li e stood up in his place to deny the authenticity of those calumnious statements, and he could not but regret that his Noble Friend at the head of Foreign Affairs had not long since established a consular agent at Cracovi, through whose instrumentality correct information could reach this country, and thus put an end to those cruel misrepresentations. From intelligence he (Lord Stuart) had received, his conviction was, that the Poles in Poser, had not been guilty of any of the cruelties or enormities that had been charged against them. Onjh e , contrary, he believed the Government and people e` Prussia were liable to grave censure for the c onduct they had pursued towards the Poles, owing to the °l c ' cillating course of policy pursued by the King of Pros but. Any barbarities that bad been perpetrated bad not been by, but against, the Polish people. With regnr° to the motion before the House, be thought the lal° l3 ' Member opposite (Mr. Urquhart) bad gained his object , and would be now indifferent as to the production of tb papers moved for. He thought the Hon. Member hi"; done good service by bringing forward this subject, se' for it he (Lord 1). Stuart) could not but express to hits his Omits. Mr. BLACKSTONE said that having traYelleti through Poland, he was bound to express his opilii° that the idea of the nationality of the Poles I ves al° a ne most extraordinary chimera that ever entered any head. So poor were the people that the majority of S'" towns were in possession of the Jews. Dr. BOWRING said that other Hon. Members be a d been in Poland as well as the Hon. Memb er who 11„1 last spoken; and there was some unanimity in the buse d that a great wrong had been done to that coun tr y , sn d in the dope that that wrong would one day be redress ° ; with changes the re-establishment of Poland's nationality. Gre,h changes were there inevitable; and the eloquence . whicn the wrongs of the Poles had been denounce this House gave assurance that , er e lon g , redress woeir, be obtained. There was a growing feeling, too, in G e is many in favour of the same object.—(Hear, bear,) 04 was not becoming, in these days, to speak of Poland °, the Poles as the Hon. Member o p posite bad spol‘e"" Twenty millions of people, speaking the same langusit professing the same religion, and bound together every tie, would, at no distant period, re appear as a o , l _, lion, to which the public feeli n g of this country would' no doubt, much contribute.—(Hear, hear.) n one Mr. URQUHART said his motion, having bee more with a view to obtain information than for auf other purpose, he would not press it. The motion was then withdrawn. Mr. BROTHERTON immediately rose, and move d that the House do now adjourn.—(Hear, hear.) aY Mr. H. BERKELEY said he should not have tempted to bring on his motion relating to the bal lo t; so late an hour, but ho wished to ask the Hon. Met e t o for Montrose whether he would allow the ballot t° proposed as a separate motion on Tuesday next ? ~„ Mr. HUM.E declined to accede to any such arraoV ment. of Mr. BANKES postponed his motion for the rep°, the Railway Commissio n Act till to-morrow (this at ADMINISTRATION OF CRIMINAL JUSTIC, h , Mr. BAINES obtained leave to brin g in a Bill for 7i, further removal of defect s in the admini stra tion of e minal justice. WINDSOR CASTLE. Rill t ° Lord MORPE obtained leave to bring in to empower the Commissioners of Woods and Foren to make alterations and improvements in the approacPe the castle and town of Windsor. LUNATIC ASYLUMS (SCOTLAND) BI LI I * I eel The LORD ADVOCATE m ove d that the f ' -e ,4 1 Committee on this Bill do consist o f th e ' f o llow , Nir Members :—The Lord Advocate, Lord A s hlels i Mr; James Graham, the Secretive at War, Mr. 1: 1 ',1 es' Charteris, Mr. Solicitor-General for. ScotlaniV ic ::o ot Mure, Mr. James Lech, Sir George Clerk, ° Is " gr. Melgund, Mr. Edward Ellice, Mr. Stuart W00101;00, Gibson Craig, Viscount Drumlanrig, Mr. 13.1,01yer Ar. Home Drummond, Mr. Charles Howard, es-"' gus, Mr. Stuollett, and Mr. Fordyce. Mr. FORBE objected to the composition Committee. th . OO P Atter a few words from the Lord Advocate, -7 0 0 6 son, Mr. Hume, ar.d Mr. Aglionby, the rat,:o withdrawn, and the appointment of the Contou- postponed until Friday. °l3l' kl be L Au HoN. MEMBER here moved that the off - 11 counted, and there not being 40 Member s p r-- „ House stood adjourned till this day. _.,,,r5, RAIL WAY SHARE MARS -x' tbo LIVERPOOL, Aar 16. dbf • STOCK ExcHA.Nbe.—The market is again depresse ober reports of disturbances in France. The sales a,-cos/li!! gate, Nottingham, and Boston, of , dis.—Esst -14113 0 csi bl ' - 25/. Shares, 7i dis.—Great Northern, 2 9:% dis.'"ao.restell' and Yorkshire, Fifths, 1 dis.—London an d 4 Nortb-k" 1034 131 1 / 2 —Ditto, New Quarters, 2 1 / 8 p.—Midland Sr° c lN d t —Ditto, New Halves, 5 1 4 dis.—North Staffordshil;.,forii —South-Eastern and Dover, No. 4, Thirds, 3's c 1, 4 0. 21 1;* Newcastle, and Berwick (N. and B. Extension),' p.—York, and North Midland, 138 c. STOCK EXCHA U NG AN IC.— C ' ti II E e S s T a E Ie R s ' alifetlßlLA:enrbneldips'ilre.lifclip)4ll shire, and Cheshire Junction, 6 13-16 dis.--,,,,a, nk tja _ ..i .1- et , Yorkshire, 3 utis . p .] I_ 3 l 2 aNn t . oc hr Shares, tehs t e r, British,7 e fk i lll ice, d Eastern and Dover, 244' D. rDNtaieontr.tsdo,:sL\3Vianesi c.tilc,.6rin.!::‘ifiloo,t. li r pi :0o: E , a rd st shire, 2 11-16 dis.—North Union (A), 197 ., j ? 4 24 p —Di tto. Sheffie ld. d i I QS t. t 0 a 'Fil -- . IA S ITI. [ADVERTISEMENT.]—'III TkAbltDlo;fr _AI CACT OF HOLLOWAY'S PILLS E IN BX TRE C 113 50 0 g,.. r. ,,: .. TREE SEVERE CASE OF DROPSY.—The wll e - ,, f t ai- --d i Gat doer, of Hanging Houghton, had been Ili s Tcon n i tie fully afflicted with dropsy so bad that sh e Iv- o ofs - e n l a to her bed and tapped three times in the cent / 4)01g, e", months ; she had then recourse to HollowaY'e ce to tt s by steady perseverance and a strict adherel: eti ee // g o system laid down in the instructions, the a's hee b e i i s conquered, and for eighteen months no accumulation of water. She can walk a boll go o ett os past ele c t w ith t A greatest ease and comfort, and is daily gail lii ! s o alio. strength.—These pills are sold by all drugg' s , Lottu" Professor Holloway's establishaaent, 244,Stranuf T.! cat 0 IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CITY LA ~ u g oCie . - ble During the recess the Courts of Queeill 1 "., - ,icierP 0 . Common Pleas at Guildhall have undergone o c '''' ee tro ti g, alterations:and improvements: an entirely ne ll •Idb ° for the judges has been constructed Iron G t ti b l e pO b t ; buildings; the portions of the courts allotted to c on ° toi o lie have been enlarged, and increased WO' of b e ige afforded to the bar and witnesses, &a, who t° attendance; the vestibules and passages courts have been remodelled, and are tadn' Pi a lighted. . s „,. obS e _ io 6 o. AN ECONOMICAL RlDElt.—An innkeer-,,, r e.-.,,, a postilion with only ow! spur, and inquired the ~,i(1 P', postilion, " if one aide of the horse goes, " Why, what would be the use of another ?the °OP cannot stand still." P - A Mll.O /f/.14 TIM. GrOVe . 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