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CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT. OLD COURT. These Sessions commenced yesterday at ten o'clock, when the Recorder, the Common Sergeant, the Lord Mayor, Sir Chapman Marshall, the Sheriffs, &c., took their seats upon the Bench. The usual proclamations having been read, and the Grand Jury sworn, the Learned Recorder charged the Jury. CALENDAR OF TEL • SUMMARY STATEMENT, DESCRIPTIV SIXTH SESSION. WHICH THE PRISONERS SE' Cutting and maiming 4 1 1p e 1 10 -a rgery Highway robbery 4 Burglary 4 Housebreaking l4 Breaking into a building 1 Horse-stealing 5 Stealing a Letter in the Post E OF THE VARIOUS OFFENCES WITH ERALLY STAND CHARGED. Embezzlement 7 Stealing from the person l5 Larcenies Uttering Counterfeit Coin 9 Having Counterfeit Coin in pos session 2 'Assault with intent to commit a felony Misdemeanour 1 ,Committed as a witness, in de- Office 1 Stealing in a dwelling house above the value of 51 9 Receiving stolen goods .. fault of bail Conspiracy to defraud 9 London prisoners Middlesex ditto Essex ditto Kent ditto Surrey ditto Total 274 40 162 3 22 20-247 STATE OF HIS MAJESTY'S GAOL OF NEWGATE, MADE UP TO YESTERDAY EVENING. Males. Females. Prisoners under sentence of death Prisoners under sentence of transportation for life ll 8 14 years .... 1 4 7 years ...: 15 i 3 Ditto, sentenced to various terms of imprisonment, having been convicted of felony, &c. $ 0 Ditto, for trial at the present Sessions Ditto, remanded from former Sessions 3 0 Ditto, acquitted on the ground of insanity, but remain dur ing Royal pleasure 7 1 Ditto, whose judgments are respitecl _ . 5 1 Ditto, committecrby the Courts - of King's Bench 2 0 Ditto, committed by Commissioners of Taxes 2 0 Ditto, acquitted and detained Total _ _ 345 It will be seen by the above statement, that when com pared with the last calendar, the present contains a con siderable increase of offences, particularly those of stealing from the person, or which are commonly termed street rob bery, and house-breaking. There are a greater number of prisoners committed by the County Magistrates within the jurisdiction of the Court than at any previous session. Margaret Brown, alias Smith, was indicted for stealing two coats and other articles from the person of Stephen Walton on the 4th of February last in Essex-street, White chapel.—Verdict, Guilty. Henry Thompson, alias Joseph Preston, aged fourteen, was found guilty of stealing a waistcoat at the shop of a pawnbroker near the New-cut, Lambeth, in February last. It appeared that he had been twice tried, convicted, and sentenced to eighteen months' imprisonment and repeated floggings ; and the Court now sentenced, him to transporta tion for fourteen years. The prisoner begged hard that it should only extend to seven years ; but the Court said le was an incorrigible rogue, and should leave the country. John Priddle, aged sixty-eight, was indicted for feloni ously assaulting Sarah Morley, a child under ten years of age.—Verdict, Guilty. A second indictment of a similar nature was preferred against the prisoner for attempting an assault on Susannah Lambert, a child of seven years o age. Verdict—Guilty. Mr. Sergeant ARABIN said that the prisoner was a most abandoned character, and that the full penalty of the law should be inflicted on him. The Court rose shortly after five o'clock. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. HATTON-GARDEIV: Yesterday John Willis, George Wright, and Monza: Edgeall, young men, were brought before Mr. Laing, in the custody of Crawford, 181 G division, charged under the following circumstances : Crawford', at about eight o'clock on Saturday night, was in Bleeding-heart-yard, Holborn, when he saw the pri soners in a state of intoxication, and Willis was perfectly insensible. He took the whole of them to the station house, and on searching Willis five 100/. Bank post bills, eight 201. and two 10/. Bank post bills, and four 1/. notes, and silver, a silver watch, &c., were found. On the pri soner Wright was found one Bank post bill for 20/., and a 1/. note upon the Romsay Bank ; and on Edgeall Is. lid. were found. Suspecting that the prisoners were concerned in some extensive robbery, or the late forgeries in the City, they were detained until inquiry could be made. Mr. Dixon, superintendant, stated that one of the pri soners first told him that the property had been willed to him twelve months ago, by a Mr. Collins. Prisoner—l was so much questioned, that I said any thing. I don't know Collins. I found the property. He had no particular lodging, since he had been in London ; but he had slept in various purlieus of Fleet-street. Mr. LAlNG—Have you made any inquiry relative to the bank post bills and the notes ? Mr. Dixon—lnspector Busain has been to the Bank of England, and has traced them to belong to Mr. Hartley, a wealthy gentleman of Southampton, and the notes could not be payable without his signature. He had no doubt, if time were allowed, that an extensive robbery could be traced. Inspector Busain produced the property, and confirmed this statement. Wright, on being questioned, came to London with Willis, to look after work, and they had been drinking since they had been in London. He contradicted himself. Crawford here stated, that when he laid the bank post bills on the desk at the station-house, the prisoner Knight snatched them up and put them into his pocket. Mr. LAING—How came you in possession of the Rom say note and the bank post bill ? Wright—The prisoner Willis passed them to me when we were drunk, and I knew nothing of them until they were found upon me. Edegeall knew Willis, who came to visit him at his lodg ings in Air -court, Aldersgate-street. He did not know Wright. He gave a satisfactory account of himself, and said he could get a good character. He was discharged, but Mr. Laing remanded the other prisoners, and gave directions to Busain and other officers to make the strictest inquiries at Southampton, &c., by the next examination. Prisoner Willis—You may soon find out my character. Mr. LAING-1 will take care to find out your character, depend upon it, before I part with you. The prisoners were then remanded, with orders that they should be taken to separate prisons to prevent any com munication between them. MARY LER ONE. ROBBERY OF JEWELS TO THE AMOUNT OF 2,0001. — THE EXTENSIVE SYSTEM OF PLUNDER DEYELOPED.—Yes terday William Hall and 'Martha Handcox, the former butler, and the latter housemaid, late in the service of Mrs. Charlotte Collins, a widow lady, residing at No. 26, Man chester-square, were placed at the bar before the sitting Magistrates, Messsrs. RAWLINSON and SiIUTT, charged with stealing an immense quantity of various kinds of jewel lery of the most costly description, to the value of 2,0001., the property of their mistress. The prisoner Handcox was yesterday week charged on suspicion of the offence, but there being no direct evidence against her she was liberated. The prosecutrix deposed that the prisoner Hall had been in her service two years, and Handcox, in whom she placed the greatest confidence, seveenteen years. She kept her jewel-box in a drawer in her dressing-room, and whenever she had occasion for anything out of it she gave Handcox the key of the drawer, who fetched her what she wanted. On Sunday morning, the 29th ultimo, about four o'clock, she was awoke by the prisoner Handcox, who said, " Don't be frightened ; there's some person in the house, for I'm sure I heard scuffling in your dressing -room." She then got up and proceeded with the prisoner to the bedroom of her son, who having partly dressed himself, accompanied her into her dressing-room, where they found the drawer in which she kept her jewels open, and the jewel-box and con tents missing. In the course of the day she asked Handcox if she knew anything of the robbery ? when she took up a bible from off the table, and, kissing it, swore she did not. Mr. William Collins was son to the prosecutrix, with whom he is at present staying on a visit. Early on the morning of Sunday week, he was awoke by his mother and the prisoner Handcox entering his room, the latter of whom said, " Oh, Sir, there's robbers in the house." He imme diately ran down stairs and alarmed the house, and saw the prisoner Hall come out of his bed-room, followed by the footman ; he then went up stairs again, and on the first floor landing found the window leading to a leaden flat open, and a shawl belonging to his mother hanging partly out. On examining the dressing-room door, which was open, he saw that the outside framework had been notched with a knife or chisel, so as to lead to an opinion that the door had been forced open, which a locksmith who had sub sequently seen it said could not have been the case. The prisoners were in the course of the day discharged, but in consequence of a confession made to him by the housemaid, who had also been concerned in the robbery, he caused them to be apprehended. Police constable Cooper, D 81, between three and four o'clock on the morning of Sunday week was on duty in Manchester-square, when he heard a cry of " Police" issue from the house of the prosecutrix. He went up, and was told by a female at one of the up-stairs windows to stand by the street door. He went there, but had not waited there above a minute before he heard the bolt s d rawn b ac k and the door was opened by the prisoner Hall, who was ac companied by the footman, both armed, the former with a poker, and the latter with t salamander. The prisoner Handcox then came into the 'passage, and said, " Oh, po liceman, there's such destruction in the house ; there's been thieves ; follow me , an d ru show you what they've done." 1 e' He followed her into the drawing-room, where he found a quantity of papers strewed about the floor, on which was lying an open desk. They then proceeded to the dressing room, when she took a chisel (produced) from off a table, and said, " this is what they broke the door and drawer open with." He replied this is no housebreaker's implement. Which way do you think they went out ? and she answered "at the staircase window." He then went to the staircase window, but from the fact of there being an immense iron railing behind it was impossible for any one to have escaped that way. Witness then went to get assistance, and found the house surrounded by policemen, who had been apprised of the alarm. Inspector Adamson, of the D division, stationed at Whitehall, on information of the robbery being received there, was sent by the Commissioners to examine the pre mises, which he did, and judged it morally impossible that thieves could have entered. He then suggested that the prisoners' boxes (they being the highest servants) should be searched, and in a portmanteau belonging to Hall he found a green box containing some shaving tackle, but no money nor any traces of the lost property. Having heard that be was a married man, although living in his situation as a sin gle one, he asked him if he had no money, when the pri soner replied, " Not a farthing in the world." Witness further added that he found the water-closet window wide open, which also led to the before-mentioned flat. Mary Sompter, the housemaid, having been cautioned by the Magistrates to speak the whole truth, was then sworn. She deposed that she had lived in the service of the prose cutor, eight years. About three weeks ago Hall asked Handcox in my hearing how much mistress's jewels were worth. She replied she did not know. He then said, " Don't you think they're worth 2,0001. ?" and Handcox said " Yes." The conversation then dropped. A few days after we were all three in the back parlour, when Hall said, " I must part with the jewels to raise some mo ney," and it was then agreed that they should be sold, and the money shared amongst us. On Friday evening, the 27th of March, my mistress dined out, and on returning home, Handcox havinc , replaced the jewels she had worn, left the drawer unlocked. On the following afternoon my mistress went out for a walk, and the prisoner Hall having sent out the footman and cook on different errands Handcox went up stairs. I followed shortly after and found her in mistress's dressing-room with the box of jewels on the table before her. I helped her to empty them, and, having made two lots, each wrapped in brown paper, we hid the box, which we soon after burnt, and went down stairs and gave the jewels to Hall, who said, " Now I've got you both," and then went out. In about ten mi nutes he returned, when it was agreed that the water-closet window should be opened, that it might be supposed the thieves came in that way. The staircase window was also opened, and the shawl thrown out, for the purpose of its being conjectured that in the thieves effecting their escape, they had dropped it. Handcox chipped the wood from the door, to make believe that it had been broken open, and it was then arranged that Handcox should get up in the dead of the night and alarm the house, by pretending to hear thieves. I don't know where the jewels were disposed of, nor have I received or asked the prisoners for my share of the money they producal. I kept the secret till yesterday morning, when, in consequence of tle matter preying heavily on my mind, I made Mr. Collins acquainted with the whole of the affair. Inspector Tyrell, of the D division, on the previous morning was sent for by Mr. Collins, who told him of tits confession the last witness had made. He then proceededto the lodging of the prisoner Handcox, No. 5, Southiltreet, and told her that the housemaid had confessed that she and Hall had taken the jewels, and that she must go to the sta tion-house. She replied, " I can safely say I did not take them." He then conveyed her away in custody, and on subsequently searching her boxes found a purse containing fifteen sovereigns and a few articles of jewellery, which he believed to be her own. Soon after witness was passing through Manchester-square, when he saw the prisoner Hall standing against a post. He accosted him, saying, " I suppose you know Martha Handcox is in custody, and you may consider yourself in custody, for Mary, the housemaid, has confessed the robbery, and says that you took the jewels away." He replied, " Oh, my God, she can't say that," and they then walked to the station-house, where, on searching him, he found a purse containing seven sovereigns and some silver. He then searched his lodging at No. 23, Paddington -street, but found nothing more. About eight o'clock in the evening a young man brought a green box to the station-house (which Inspector Adamson identified as the one he saw in the prisoner's portmanteau), which he said had been given by the prisoner to him to take care of. On opening it it was found to contain 173 sovereigns. George Borland, a journeyman saddler, the young man alluded to, lodged at No. 23, Paddington-street, and 9n Wednesday the prisoner Hall, whom he had known for some time, came to live in the house, and on Friday morn ing asked witness to take care of the box for him. On the previous evening he was told by his landlord that the officers had searched Hall's room, and was asked if he had anything belonging to him. He said he had, and took the box to the station-house. The prisoners, who declined saying anything, were re. manded till Wednesday. The office was crowded to excess. MARLBORO UGH-STREET. Samuel Pass»zore was yesterday brought before Mr. CONANT, on suspicion of having in some way been con cerned in the burglary at the residence of Lord Sidney at Frognal on Wednesday night last. Inspector Thomas, and Hobbs and Stone, two of the C division, police constables, who had the prisoner in charge, stated the grounds of suspicion against him. Mr. CONANT ordered the prisoner to be remanded. UNION-HALL. Yesterday William Currall was brought before Mr. Wedgwood, on an alleged charge of throwing a stone at Jeremiah Bryan, which struck him on the head, and occa sioned his death. The occurrence took place on the 7th ult., in a disturbance in one of the thickly inhabited courts leading out of Kent-street, between several Irishmen be longing to two different provinces in that country. The prisoner, who admits fighting with the deceased on the night in question, but denies having struck him with a stone, was remanded for further examination. WORSHIP-STEEET. CAPTURE OF A RETURNED CONVlCT.—Yesterday a young man named John Hall, who had been convicted of housebreaking at the Hertford Assizes, and sentenced to transportation for life, was brought before Mr. Broughton and Mr. Grove, charged with having made his escape from Chatham Dockyard. Mr. Pierse, the superintendent of the H division, who had apprehended the prisoner, produced the Government Hue and Cry, in which was published a full description of his person, and also of three other convicts under trans portation for life, who effected their escape at the same time, on the 26th of last month. The prisoner admitted that he was one of those who had escaped, and said that no person of feeling could blame him—a bird confined in a cage would get out if he could. Mr. BROUGHTON—I don't blame you in the least ; but how was it you effected your escape ? Were you nol fired at by the sentinel on duty ? The prisoner said that he was three times, and so were the others, and they ought to have their sentence mitigated for the brave manner in which they risked their lives. The MAGISTRATES decided that it would be no use sending the prisoner for trial again, as he admitted being the person, and as his sentence could not be heavier than it was already ; but remanded him till Saturday, to give time to communicate with the Secretary of State. Mr. Pierse said that it was very likely that he would be able to apprehend the others by that time, as their wires all resided within his division. SINGULAR CIRCUMSTANCE.-At Butterley Lees, near New Mills, on the sth inst., as the wife of E. Fearnley was sealing up the cows, a favourite, which always appeared very quiet, turned her head, and dreadfully lacerated the left eye of the unfortunate woman. The sight of this eye Mrs. F. had lost by the small pox in her childhood; but the obstruc tion being partly removed by the cow, and the other part by Mr. Burkinshaw, of York, she has actually recovered the sight of her eye which has so long been closed. She is in her 42d year.— Tyne Mercury. A man was tried and acquitted, within the last few days, in the country, for some offence, in consequence of the party prosecuting denominating himself an Esquire in the in dictment, under the erroneous impression that he was entitled to that appellation from the circumstance of his being a man of fortune. Those to whom this title is of right due are all the younger sons of Noblemen and their heirs male for ever, and the eldest sons only of all Baronets, the eldest sons of the Knights of the Bath, and the heirs male or next of kin of all Knights Bachelors, Commanders of the Bath, those who serve the King in any worshipful calling as the Sergeant Chi rurgeon, Sergeant of the E wry, &c., the Heralds, and Ser geants-at-Arms. The chief of some ancient families are Esquires by prescription. Those that bear any superior office in the Commonwealth, as High Sheriff of any County, who retains the title of Esquire during his life. He who is a Justice of the Peace has it during the time he is in commission, and no loager. INCENDARISM AT BALTIMORE.—There is an evident intention by a se t of incendiaries at Baltimore, to burn that city. In addition to the valuable edifices already de stroyed, an attempt was made on Thursday afternoon, to fire the office of the Baltimore Gazette, by placing a lighted can dle between some boxes and hampers in the basement story, which were partly destroyed before the fire was discovered. So open was Wolff, the German philologist's mind, to the influence of the pathetic, that—like our own Richard Bentley—he could not peruse a tender passage in his favou rite Poets, without shedding tears. —Cochrane's Foreign Quarterly. THE SliN, LONDON, TtESDAN, APRIL 7, 1835. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, APRIL 6. In the absence_ of the LORD CHANCELLOR, the Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his seat on the Woolsack. The Turnpike Road Bill was read a third time. The Roads Act Bill was reported from the House of Com mons, and read a first time. The Duke of GORDON presented a number of petitions from Scotland, in favour of the Established Church. Laid on the table. Lord MELVILLE presented several petitions on the same subject, and with a similar prayer, from Lanarkshire, Argyle, Ayr, and Kilmarnock. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition contain ing a prayer of a contrary nature. The petitioners prayed that such measures should be adopted by their Lordships, as would ensure the poor sufficient Church accommodation. Vote by Ballot, which he moved should be referred to the Intimidation Committee. The Hon. Member then presented a petition from Frederick Jones, of Gloucester, respecting Weights. and Measures. Sir R. VYVYAN thought that there ought to be something special in any petition referred to a Select Committee. Mr. ROEBUCK said, however much the former petition might have failed in having nothing special in its nature, he now held in his hand one which he had deferred to the last, in order to give the Hon. Member an opportunity of making any observation on it he thought proper. The present peti tion was a special petition, complaining of great corruption with respect to certain burgesses called Freemen of the City of Bristol. There had lately been established in that city a society called the Conservative Mechanics' Society, in which roast beef and other good food were served out to the Mem bers, in order, as he supposed, to conserve the mechanics. He moved that this petition be most particularly referred to the Select Committee. Sir R. VYVYAN could only say, that if what had been said was correct, he was perfectly ignorant of it. The Associa tion to which the Hon. Gentleman had alluded was formed in the year 1831, immediately after the riots of Bristol, and he could assure the House there was not the slightest shadow of ground that any bribery existed in the city of Bristol, during the late election. There was not the least attempt to influence the electors ; and he was perfectly willing it should be referred to the Select Committee. Colonel EVANS observed, that Bristol was not singular on this question, as there was at present a society under for mation in the city of Westminster, in which many Noblemen and Gentlemen had enrolled themselves, for the purpose of sending a Member to Parliament, as if Westminster had never been represented before, and in which they bound themselves to subscribe annually to secure the object they had in view. Mr H. BULWER thought it did not comport with the dignity of the House to enter into discussions of this nature. If the Peers of the realm took so determined a course, the facts were before the public, and it was for the public to deal with them. Mr. FE CTOR beggdd leave to tell those Hon. Members who complained so much of bribery and corruption, that if in timidation and violence, which were practised in such consi derable profusion, were adopted less by Members on the other side of the House, he had little doubt as to which party would be the gainers. He did not think it was right that so great a loss should accrue to the public, on the presenting petitions of this kind, by making long speeches.—( Hear, hear.) He could not conceive what Bristol had to do with Westminster. An Hon. MEMBER would like to know from Hon. Mem bers who complained so much of the system of bribery, and which they said was practised to so great an extent, what they thought of those dinners which were given for the purpose of Reform ? Mr, ROEBUCK would say, in answer to the observations of the Hon. Member opposite, that if bribery and corruption had been practised on his ( Mr. R's) side of the House. it would certainly have been petitioned against. But at the dinners he had before alluded to, persons were invited without paying, on the sole condition of professing Conservative principles. It had been said that discussions of that kind were improperly taking up the time of the House ; but he would ask whether anything could be more important than to preserve the purity of the elective franchise, and whether it was not the duty of the House to do all in their power to expose and punish bribery and corruption ? MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS. Mr. ROEBUCK, aTri - d several other Members of the House of Commons, brought up a message from that House, requesting that their Lordships would allow Lord Brougham to attend and give evidence before the Committee appointed to inquire into the present state of education in England and Wales.— Granted. AFFAIRS OF CANADA. The Earl of RIPON presented a petition from Lower Ca nada, signed by 11,000 inhabitants of that province, of British and Irish extraction, stating their attachment to the existing Constitution and their loyalty to their Sovereign, and corn plaining of the conduct of the House of Assembly ; and ex pressing a hope that, whilst certain grievances of which they complained were redressed, the British Legislature would not consent to anything that should alter the Constitution under which the province had so long flourished. The petition was laid on the table. CHURCH OF SCOTLAND. Viscount MELBOURNE presented a petitiat from Glas gow, adopted at a public meeting, and very numerously signed, praying the House not to grant any public money for the purpose of increasing the accommodation in the Church of Scotland ; also petitions to the same effect from a Seceding Congregation at Paisley, from Achtermuchty, Kirkwall, and St. Andrew's. The Earl of C ARNARVON presented a petition from a Curate in the diocese of Bath and Wells, complaining that he never could receive his stipend ; he did not complain of the Bishop, but of the state of the law, and prayed that it might be altered. The Bishop of BATH and WELLS was obliged to the Noble Earl for the compliment paid to him. It was most true that he was not to blame, for he had done all in his power in order that the petitioner might get his money.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Of the person whose conduct was complained of, he would say little, because he could say nothing good of him—all he would say was that he was a disgrace to the profession to which he belonged. He made many appli cations to Dr. Wade, but they had been fruitless—he heard on two occasions that Dr. Wade was in the diocese, and he had immediately put the law in force, but he had eluded the process. On many occasions he had made inquiries for him in London, for the purpose of putting the law in force, but also without success. He had done all that the law allowed a Bishop to do, further he could not go ; he trusted the law would be altered. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from the parish of Eastwood, in Scotland, against any further Church accom modation being made out of the, public funds. He said the peti tion was signed by a large majority of the heads of families in the parish, Churchmen as well as Dissenters, and he wished to call their Lordships' attention particularly to that fact, because it happened that Eastwood was one of the parishes particularly pointed out by the Church party in Scotland, as being se very much in wait of additional accommodation.—( Hear.) Lord KENYON way afraid that those who objected to further accommodation were those who objected to the Church altogether. Lord BROUGHAM said that the Noble Baron misunder stood him ; he had distinctly stated that the petition was signed by a majority of the Churchmen resident in the parish. la Scotland, the question assumed a very different aspect from what it did in this country. There, the intelligent people, Churchmen and Dissenters, objected to additional churches being built for one party alone from a fund to which all parties contributed. Lord KENYON—If the petitioners were Churchmen, their conduct did not show it. He was afraid that they were called Churchmen merely because they did not belong to any •ect of Dissenters. Lord BROUGHAM said that remark was said in the same spirit of bigotry for which he (Lord Brougham) had checked him the other evening. The Noble Baron seemed to think that whenever any person differed from himself, it was impos sible that he could belong to a Church.—( A laugh.) He could assure him, that a person could conscientiously object to the opinions of the Noble Baron, and yet be as good a Churchman as he was. The Bishop of LONDON rose for the purpose of calling to the Noble and Learned Lord's attention the opinions of a Professor of the Church in Scotland, to which he was certain the Noble and Learned Baron would pay every re spect.—(Hear, hear.) He meant Dr. Chalmers, who had stated that it was no reason why Churches should sat be built, that the people objected to it—he thought that it was an additional reason for so doing, because Churches were the great means of—to use his own expres sion—" Christianizing the country."—( Hear.) It seemed to him (the Bishop of London) that it was become a question whether Church accommodation should not be provided, notwithstanding the remonstrances of the people. He was sure that the most intelligent people of that country were in favour of the measure propounded by the Government in the King's Speech. Lord BROUGHAM explained, and begged to say that the Right Reverend Prelate was perfectly correct in stating that he would listen to the opinion of Dr. Chal mers with the utmost deference, but there was one question upon which not only he (Lord B.) but the great ma jority of all that Rev. Gentleman's brethren differed from him, and that question was the very one then under consideration. The Bishop of EXETER—With respect to the senti ments of Dr. Chalmers, that gentleman expressed his admira tion of the endowments of the Church of England, as from them were derived the great learning and talents that distin guished the Church of Scotland. These endowments libe rated them from the discharge of parochial duties, and enabled them to devote their time to theological studies. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition on the same subject from Dumfrieshire, which set forth the advantages of the Church of Scotland, and prayed that no measure would be adopted by their Lordships at all calculated to impair its efficiency or utility. As to the super fluous talents possessed by the Church of England, for which the Church of Scotland, according to the Right Rev. Prelate, was indebted for the lights and ornaments that distinguished it, he (Lord B.) considered it a great error, and never yet had heard that supererogation was one of the works that theyw ere enti tled to credit for. Whatever the opinion of Dr. Chalmers was, and erroneous it undoubtedly was, the last two centuries would spew that the Church of Scotland was possessed of as many and as eminent luminaries as the Church of England. The Noble Lord also presented a petition from the Dis senters of Cornwall, against any grant for new churches ; one from a parish in the County of Down against tithes ; three from the operatives, mill-owners, and others in the West Riding of Yorkshire, for alterations in the Factory Regulation Bill ; one from the retailers of beer ; and another from 22,006 persons in the same place, in favour of an alteration of the New Beer Act. Lord ROSSLYN presented a petition from the inhabi tants of Aberystwyth, praying that their Lordships would take measures to teach the Welsh English, or cause the Acts of Parliament to be written in the Welch language.— fLaughter. ) The petition was written in the Welch language, which the petitioners claimed as a right.—(Laughter.) Lord SHAF rE SB UR Y—That this petition be now read —( Laughter. ) Lord MULGRAVE moved the second reading of the Wit nesses Indemnity Bill.—Agreed to. Lord WARD wished to ask a question of his Majesty's Ministers, which was whether the Hon. Member for Dudley had sent an address from that town expressing confidence in Mi nisters ? [ Here there was a pause.] If he was to take the silence of Ministers as a proof of the fact, he would say that the constituency of that town had been misrepresented, and the confidence of his Majesty had been abused._( Hear.) The Duke of WELLINGTON said he knew nothing of the affair. The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, APAIL & The SPEAKER took the Chair at half-past three o'clock. WINDSOR ELECTION COMMITTEE. Sir J. GRAHAM, the Chairman of this Committee, brought up the report of the Committee, finding that the sitting Member, Sir J. Beauvoir had not been duly elected to serve in the present Parliament, and that the petitioner, Sir John Elley had been duly elected, and ought to have been re turned, but that neither the petition nor the opposition to it had been frivolous nor vexatious. NEW MEMBERS. Sir JOHN ELLEY and Mr. GALLEY KNIGHT, took the oaths and their seats, the former for Windsor, and the latter for Not tingham in the room of Lord Lumley, now Viscount Scar borough. Mr. FE CTOR presented a petition from the Mayor and Corporation of Dover, against the Dover Improvement Bill. Sir SAMUEL WHALLE Y presented a petition against the Islington Market Bill, from the Butchers of Marylebone. Mr. HUME presented a petition from the proprietors of the West Middlesex Water-works, praying to be heard by counsel against the Chelsea Water-works Bill. OMNIBUS NUISANCE. Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from the inhabi tants of London and Westminster, against the Omnibus nui sance. The petitioners prayed that the Bill then before the House, and which had been introduced by the Hon. Alder man the Member for London, might go through a Committee, and that certain provisions should be inserted in that Com mittee, so as to put those public conveyances under some sort of regulation, and under which they were not at present. Colonel EVANS supported the petition. Mr. MACKINNON gave notice that on Wednesday, the 6th of May, he should move for a Select Committee to inquire into the state of the Roads and Turnpike• Trusts in England and Wales. Mr. E WART presented a petition from Liverpool praying for a thorough System of Church Reform ; aka a petition from Liverpool against certain clauses in the Bill for the Abolishing of Imprisonment for Debt Bill. BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS. Mr. ROEBUCK presented a petition from Bath against the present system of Poor Laws. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from St. Mary Magdalen, Bristol, for the MISCELLANEOUS. Sir S. WHALLEY presented a petition from the Select Vestry of Mar; lebone in support of Church Reform, which they considered the only means of preventing the general alienation of the community from the Establishment. They prayed the House to inquire into and correct the sinecures and other abuses of the Church, and to exclude the Bishops from the House of Lords, as the discharge of their spiritual duties was totally incompatible with that of their political ones. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from the inhabitants of Marylebone, praying the House to present an Address to the Crown for a remission of the sentence passed last year upon the labourers at Dorchester. Lord MORPETH presented a petition from Mr. Haydon, the historical painter, praying Parliament to purchase the Elgin marbles, as a means of encouraging the pro gress of the arts in tlii; country. The Noble Lord supported the prayer of the petition, and then moved that it be referred to the Committee now sitting relative to the building of the New Houses of Parliament. The Noble Lord then presented several petitions from places in the West Riding of Yorkshire, praying for some alteration in the present Factory Bill ; also a petition from the licensed vic tuallers of Saddleworth, against the encreased rate of licenses. Mr. CAYL E Y begged to ask the Noble Lord whether the petitions against the Factory Bill were agreed to at public meetings or handed about for signature ? Lord MORPETH could not say precisely how the peti tions had been got up, but he believed he was justified in saying that there was a general feeling among masters and workmen against the present Factory Bill. Mr. B A INE S supported the prayer of the petitions pre sented by the Noble Lord against the Factory Bill. They were signed by a considerable number of the parents of chil dren employed in these factories ; and it must be presumed that they were the best judges of the proper hours during which the children should be employed. Mr. OSWALD MO SE LE Y presented a petition from the the Licensed Victuallers of Uttoxeter, complaining of the increased duty on spirit licenses, and praying that a gra duated scale be substituted proportionate to the quantity of spirits consumed in each House. Mr. CLAY presented a petition from several inhabitants of the Tower Hamlets, against certain clauses in the Bill for the Abolition of Imprisonment for Debt. The petitioners prayed that the Commissioners of the Court of Requests have power to decide in cases of fraud. They approved of the provisions of the Bill generally. Mr. MURRAY presented a petition from Leith respecting the arrestment of wages in Scotland. Mr. CAYLEY presented a petition from 2,000 agricul turalists of the North West Riding of Yorkshire, complaining of distress, which they attributed to the alteration in the cur rency ; they did not complain of the Malt Tax, at least they knew that it s a b o li t i on wou ld not g i ve t h em that relief to which they were entitled. He had a motion on the subject, which stood for next month, that he considered would be a test for the House ; the agricultural interest would then see whether they were to expect any relief from it. The Hon. Mr. DUNCOMBE presented several petitions from the same district itnd to the same effect. They prayed that no alteration might be made in the Corn Laws, and attri buted the distress to the alterations in the currency. He did not agree with his Hon. Colleague with respect to the Malt Tax. A reduction in that tax no doubt would be beneficial, though it would not cure the distress. Mr. CLAY said that he also had a motion on the book, which would come on next month ; he was going to move for an alteration in the Corn Laws, which if carried, would in his opinion greatly relieve the distress complained of. Mr. CAYLEY was of opinion, that any measure on the subject coming from the Hon. Member for the Tower Ham lets, must be looked at very cautiously—an alteration in the Corn Laws, he was afraid, would only add to the distress. Sir P. TRENCH presented a petition from the victuallers of Scarborough, complaining of the additional tax of 50 per cent. imposed upon their licenses for spirits. DISSENTERS. Mr. WILLS presented a petition from three Dissenting Mi nisters, residing at Frome, in the county of Suffolk, against seve ral parts of the Dissenters' Marriage Bill. They agreed with the principle of the Bill, but they objected to many of its provi sions ; they objected to the clause requiring them to announce themselves to be dissenting Protestants, and to that part of the Bill which compelled marriages to take place before a magis trate ; they also objected to the enforcing of the payment of ss. to ministers of the Established Church upon the registration of marriages. The petitioners also objected to the payment of church rates. The Hon. Member concurred with the peti tioners, and trusted that their petitions would meet with the the attention of the House. Dr. B 0 WRING said that he had had several communi. cations from individuals of considerable eminence among the Dissenters, expressing a hope that the measure for their relief might not be proceeded with precipitately. He thought with the petitioners, respecting that clause com pelling marriage to take place before a magistrate. IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT. Mr. O'DWYER presented a petition from Dublin, in favour of the Imprisonment for Debt Bill, and praying that its provisions might be extended to Ireland. The Hon. Mem ber also presented a petition from an individual against tithes. SEATS IN THE HOUSE. Mr. ROBINSON believed he would never have a better opportunity of calling the attention of the House to what he considered to be a most inconvenient prac tice, and which required some remedy for the mutual convenience of every Member of the House. He desired no personal favour, and the proposition he was about t o ma k e equally involved the privilege and comfort of every M em b er ; indeed, he would be satisfied with the suggestion of any Hon. Member that was likely to meet the evil he complained of. The complaint he had to make was, that by the order and rules of the House no Member could take a place unless he had been present at prayers. Before it was pos sible for any Member to be present at prayers, by some mischievous agency or other, all the best seats, on hi s side the House especially (the Opposition), were taken. —( Hear, hear.) H . e should never ha ve ma d e t hi s a su b ject of complaint , provided the places which were so taken had been secured by the Members themselves, but several of the names were written in the same hand-writing. He had con sulted with several Members . to ascertain if the re was any t hi ng like a concurrence of opinion upon this subject, and he had found that the present practice was not at all approved of. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE rose to order. It did not appear to him it could be considered a breach of privilege, even supposing the Hon. Member made out a case. The SPEAKER made an observation, which was not heard in the Reporters' Gallery, but Mr. ROBINSON proceeded. He did not treat it as a breach of privilege. It was a. question which he believed every Member of the House required to h ave sett l e d . The present practice went to impede Members in the discharge of their duty, because when once the name was fixed to the bench the Member whose name was fastened to the seat was entitled to the place for the remainder of th e even i ng. The Hon. M e mber concluded by moving, that one of the standing orders of the House should be, " That no M em b er ' s name be fixed to any place on either side of the House before the hour of prayer, and that Mr. Speak er d o g i ve di rections to the door keepers accordingly." The moti on was t h en put from the chair, and wa s earned without a division. THE ARMY—RIOTS. M r . H. GRATTAN begged to ask the Right Hon. Baro net ( Sir R. Peel), whether some new orders had not been issued from the Horse Guards, respecting the manner in which the military were to assist the police in case of any public tumult. Sir R. PEEL could state, in answer to that question, that in pursuance of an intimation given to the House, that on the 17th of March a general order was issued directing what course should be pursued by the military in assisting tine police in every part of his Majesty's dominions. Mr. ROBINSON gave notice that on Wednesday next he should move for the renewal of Morning Sittings on three days in the week—tX General cries of no)--and also, that on Friday he should bring his motion under the consideration of the House respecting divisions, of which he had already given notice. CANADA. Mr. ROEBUCK wished to put a question to the Right Hon. Baronet to which he hoped he would have no objection in giving him an answer. The Right Hon. Baronet had stated when he ( Mr. R.) presented a petition from the Legislative Assembly on the subject of Canada, that his Majesty was about to send out a Commissioner who should be perfectly un connected with either party. Since then Lord Amherst had been appointed to that office, and he wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet whether he was aware that Noble Lord was connected by marriage with Mr. Haile, one of the persons the most obnoxious to the Assembly. He did not mean to question the impartiality of Lord Amherst, but whether the people of Canada would be satisfied with the nomination. Sir R. PEEL begged to state at once he had never before heard one of these circumstances ; but even if he had, he doubted whether he should have listened to them. Of a person who had filled the office of Gov.-General of India, he must say he had more respect for the people of Canada than to suppose they would allow a circumstance of that kind to impeach his impar tiality, or act as a prejudice against him. Mr. ROEBUCK merely wished to set himself right with the House ; his observations merely went to express the feel ings of the people of Canada. Sir ROBERT PEEL—His reply was precisely to the same end. He had that unaffected respect for the people of Canada, that he did not think they would attribute such mo tives to Lord Amherst. Mr. ROEBUCK asked if Sir R. Plaskett, who had been appointed Governor of Ceylon, was also to retain the pension of 500/. which he held from his former appOintment at the Cape of Good Hope. Sir R. PEEL said that the appointment was not yet suffi ciently arranged to answer that question. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE inquired whether it was true that the Government bad sent a special mission to Spain ? Lord MAHON replied that Lord Elliot had been sent to Spain to negotiate with Don Carlos, in order to prevent the further effusion of blood, by putting an end to the civil war at present raging in that country. This mission had been sent with the full concurrence of both France and Spain. THE ESTABLISHED CHURCH (IRELAND). Sir ROBERT PEEL wished to state that it was his in tention to adhere strictly to the declaration he made, and to throw no impediment in the way of proceeding with the de bate. At the same time he wished to put the House in pos session of how they stood with respect to the Navy Esti mates. He would merely read a part of a letter from Mr. Briggs, addressed to the Admiralty Board, in which he stated that the first payment to the artificers and workmen in his Majesty's Victualling and Dock-yards would become due on the 10th instant, and that there were no funds for that purpose. There were also other demands which they had no means of meeting. He wished also to state the position in which they were placed relative to the Mutiny Act. If the House contemplated a recess at Easter, of which he had no doubt, it would be most expedient that this Act should pass before the 15th inst. He suggested that the votes upon the Navy Estimates should certainly take precedence of the No ble Lord's motion on that relative to the re-enactment of the Mutiny Bill. If this did not meet the Noble Lord's views, he hoped that after the Noble Lord's motion was dis posed of, an opportunity would be afforded him ( Sir R. Peel) of bringing forward these subjects. Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in rising to move the order of the day for resuming the debate on the appropriation of surplus revenues of the Irish Church, wished to state the course he meant to pursue. The course he intended to pursue was this—in moving that the House should agree to the resolution in Committee, he should propose, should the resolution be carried, that it should be reported to-morrow, and if the House should further agree to the report, he would then move a reso lution of the House to the following effect :—" That it is the opinion of this House that no measure upon the subject of tithes in Ireland can lead to a satisfactory and final adjustment which dces not embody the principle of the foregoing resolu tion." In case that resolution should he carried, he should on the succeeding day move an address to the Crown to the effect he had stated. The Noble Lord then moved the order of the day for the House resolving itself into a Committee upon his resolution. The House having resolved itself into a Com mittee, Mr. BORT H WICK rose to oppose the resolution.— He would not follow the Noble Lord who had moved the resolution through all the musty steps which he had taken, from the history of the first Edward, through the reign of Elizabeth, down to the commencement of the present century, because whatever grievances might in those years have been inflicted upon Ireland, and however favourable the subject for declamation it pre sented in its several stages through the history of those times, he did not feel that any legitimate inference could be drawn from any one of those circumstances, to the argu. ment then before the House.—( Hear, hear.) He would begin, therefore, at the commencement of the present century—( Cries of " Oh, oh")--because, though the measures which were granted to Ireland had been wrung from the Le gislature more from fear than from a sense of justice, yet they had exercised a beneficial influence upon the prosperity of Ire land. He wished Hon. Members when they quoted authorities such ac Burke in that House, would do so fairly. Mr. Burke, though he maintained that Church property was inviolable, did not assert it was beyond the regulating control of the State. For though Burke says the State has the jurisdiction of con trouling the power of the Church, he does not say it has the jurisdiction of diverting it to other purposes. Why was it the Protestant Church weighed on the people of Ireland? Because they were paying for a Church from which they de rived no benefit, and which they believed to be heresy. The Noble Lord proposed to give Catholics the advantage of educa tion ; but would the Catholics agree to this combination ? It would be a new source of discontent and agitation in Ire land that the Catholics were compelled to be educated by a Church whose doctrines they held to be erroneous and heretic.—( Hear, hear, hear.) The Noble Member for Northumberland had said that there were many things which might be taught equally well by Protestants to Catholics, and by Catholics to Protestants ; but he (Mr. B.) was of opinion that education must always proceed in connection with reli gious tuition. He had every charity for the Catholic Church, but he would not trust even the wisest of its clergy, and even on the most general principles, to educate Protestant children. The Hon. and Learned Member for the Tower Hamlets had said the Protestant Church caused most of the misery in Ireland. He gave the Hon. and Learned Member full credit for the as sertion that accompanied that declaration--that he was a sound Protestant, and that he believed it was the present and most effi cient form for national instruction that could be devised. But his argument was, that the Roman Catholics formed the ma jority, and the Protestants the minority ; and, therefore, it could not but follow, that the majority contributing to support a reli gion in which they did not believe, were contracting prejudices against that religion. Other Hon. Members had asserted that the cause of the animosity which existed between the Protestants and Roman Catholics was because the latter associated with the Protestant Establishment those acts of tyranny, and those scenes of bloodshed on which Hon. Members had been so needlessly elo quent. He repeated needlessly, because it inferred that the Hon. Members on his (Mr. B.'s) side of the House were less desirous of applying remedies for these abuses than those on the other side. The Hon. and Learned Mem ber for Dublin had asked of the House to give the people of Ireland appropriation in the name of justice—there might be no surplus but give them the name.—( Hear.) His (Mr. B.'s) side of the House would not feed the people of Ireland with empty declamation when they asked for bread. The Noble Lord had described the Protestant Clery of Ireland as being rather political than as being rather devout— that they were given rather to advance the interests of' a cer tain faction than those placed under their spiritual care. He would refer the House to the Bill introduced by the Right Hon. the Secretary for Ireland, the object of which was to abolish sinecures --(Hear)— and to do away with indolence and inefficiency on the part of the Protestant clergy. What was the conduct of the Opposition by which his Ma jesty's Government was met? Why, they told the people of Ireland that they did not know whether there would be a surplus or not, but if there should be a surplus, we will tell you what we will do—we will give you moral and religious education in the bosom of the Protestant Church. We will give you that which we know you do not want ( Hear.) These were the patriots of Ireland—these were the men who professed to put an end to all such scenes as had occurred at Rathcormac.—( Hear, hear.) He considered the present Government had a fair claim to the confidence of the country, from the Opposition having been obliged to vote with them upon every particular measure they had brought forward. The question before the House was two-fold. First, that the resolution of the Noble Lord contained a great benefit for Ire. land ; and, secondly, that it was intended to drive Ministers from their places. What had been hitherto held up before the eyes of his Majesty's Ministers was an unsubstantial, shadowy threat, assuming various forms as the exigencies of the case required, until the Right Hon. Baronet the Chancellor of the Exchequer had compelled the opponents of his Government to explain that it meant at last an address to his Majesty. An address to carry what ? He ( Mr. Borthwick) wished the Noble Lord the Member for Devonshire were in the House to explain. Was it the object of the address to tell his Majesty that the exercise of his undoubted prerogative in selecting the Ministers of the Crown wits not justifiable ? or was it to be, like the message of Jack Cade to another English potentate : " We are content ycu should reign so long as you give us an unconstitutional power over the exercise of your prerogative ?" In a few days the country would make them hear from all parts its indignation at their course of proceeding—a legisla tion so absurd—so unworthy the wisdom of that House, and the dignity of the British people. The late Government could not carry the Irish Tithe Bill unless they asserted the great principle of appropriation. If the principle were a great one, why did they not assert it before they introduced the Irish Tithe Bill of last Session 7—( Hear.) If it were a principle it could not fluctuate. Why then, in the name of justice, if it were of such importance, did they delay its assertion until the present time ? Why, if it were not for the purposes of fac tion ?—( Cries of oh, oh, and hear.) He would define faction. Faction was a union of persons for the purpose of carrying a measure or measures which h a d party an d no t p a t r iotism for their objects.—( Cries of oh, and hear.) Why did the oppo site faction—he used the words advisedly, in a political sense solely, and without intention of retracting them—why did the opposite faction wait for the present time to assert a principle which they termed a great principle, and let pass the time and the opportunity when they had the power, if they had the of effectually doing so ? One of the greatest objections which could arise to the measure of the Noble Lord the Member for Devonshire, was that it would be a fertile means of introducing a spirit of proselytism into Ireland. The moral good derivable at present from the efforts of both Churches, Catholic and Protestant, would be thus neutralised, if not totally destroyed. It would be an apple of discord between the people of both persuasions. The Hon. Member concluded by opposing the motion before the Committee as factious, and not calculated to answer the object which it pretended to have in view. Mr. S. .MAXWELL addressed the Committee, as we un derstood him, in support of the motion. Mr. B. WALL opposed the motion on the ground of prin ciple, and because he believed that the revenues of the Irish Church would not afford a surplus after due provision was made for the Establishment. The Clergy ought to be heard at the bar in defence of those rights which the motion of the Noble Lord went to infringe. He would wish to see the Irish Catholic Church connected with the State, but not at the ex pence of despoiling the Established Church, but rather by means of raising a separate revenue for its support. The present measure was a bonus for proselytism, and which every respectable person ought to wish to avoid. Mr. LUCAS opposed the motion. Mr. H. L. BULWE R thought that if there were a sur plus Church revenue it should be applied equally to the benefit of all classes in Ireland. The so applying it was but a sort of appendix to the Catholic Emancipation Bill, which measure ought to be fully carried out. When people talked of the Irish Church he would be glad to know whether they meant that its funds should be applied to the benefit of the Clergy or their congregation. It seemed according to the arguments of Hon. Members opposite that those funds ought to be exclu sively appropriated to the Protestant Clergy of Ireland. He regretted the fall of the late Administration—he regretted that any Government should lose the great abilities of the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peep—but he felt bound, even,. at the risk of losing those abilities, to support the motion of the Noble Lord the Member for Devonshire. Mr. F. BRUEN, who was nearly inaudible in the gallery, was understood to say that in his parish tithe amounted to only one-half of the rent. The Hon. Member contended that Protestants were increasing in number in many parishes with which he was acquainted. In one parish six years ago,. there was not more than two hundred Protestants ; but in that space of time they had increased to six hundred. This was the con sequence of a proper application of the Church funds. In another parish of his neighbourhood, there were a few years back but five or six Protestants; there was a difficulty of find ing funds for the support of their religious worship, but they were supplied by the munificence of the landlords, and that caused the Protestant population to be at the present time one hundred and fifty in the parish alluded to. He considered it a great injustice to take away the funds from the Protestant Church, and to apply them to the moral and religious educa tion of the Catholics. The safety of the connection between the Church and State depended on the maintenance of the Church of Ireland. Mr. B A INE S said there was a point which he could not wholly overlook. It was this:—The Right Hon. Baronet opposite ( Sir Robert Peel) and all the Hon. Gentlemen who spoke on that side of the House, had declared that the re venues of the Irish Church ought to be applied solely to eccle siastical purposes. He would appeal to the Right Hon. Ba ronet, and to Hon. Gentlemen opposite, whether for ages, or during their time—whilst in or out office—the revenues of the Irish Church had not been applied to other purposes than ec clesiastical ones?—( Hear.) Let the case be taken of a parish in Ireland, the revenues of which to the incumbent, whether in tithes or glebe lands, were 500/. a year, and he would ask whether that sum was not sent out of the country to a non resident pastor ? He would ask whether it was not true that there were no curate, no Protestant congregation, and no one in the parish to represent the Church of England, except the tithe-proctor? In such a case he would ask whether the Church funds were applied to ecclesiastical purposes? He (Mr. Baines) was ready to allow that they were appropriated to ecclesiastics, but not to ecclesiastical purposes. If the presen t resolution should be fully carried into effect, the funds o f the Irish Church would be applied to ecclesiastical purposes, at least to a certain degree they would be so applied, since they would be applied to the moral and religious education of all the people of that country. The Noble Lord ( Stanley) had asked is this all you mean to do for Ireland? No; it was only part of a system--(Cheers from the Ministerial Benches)---V which they meant rather to rule Ireland by her affections than by the sword. It must be the wish of both sides of the House that Ireland should be at peace. He understood the Righ t Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) the other night to intimate an intention of again appealing to the people. Gentlemen on his side of the House had not been prevented by that threat from doing their duty. This, after a general election, would be only an appeal from the people to the people. What hope was there that the decision of the people would be now dif ferent to what it had recently been? There might be ad dresses got up to support the present Administration, but counter addresses would be equally numerous. With respect to the people, he could confidently say that they were gene' rally opposed to a sinecure Church, such as that of Ireland, and to a non-resident Clergy; and their feelings would soon bee. come equally strong against similar abuses in the Church of England. The Marquis of CHA NDO S would remove pluralities and son-residence, but would not abandon the Church of Ireland, and hand over its temporalities to another Church. Whatever plans the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) might now propose to himself, he could assure him that having once made this move in the affairs of the Church of Ireland, he could not stop his progress.—( Cheers.) Allusion had been made to an in tention of dissolving the present Parliament. He knew no t, nor was it likely that he would have the means of knowing; whether such an intention existed or not ; but if an appea l should be made to the people, Gentlemen opposite would find that there was a Protestant constituency in the coun tr y —(Cheers)—prepared to protect the Established Church-- ( Cheers)--and not to yield up her revenues to another Chor ell a He had been informed that there was already in Irel and numerous schools—that there was no lack of means to giv e education to the people. Upon what ground, then, did the Noble Lord now call for this supposed surplus to e ducate the Roman Catholics. If the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) succeeded in overthrowing the present Government—and th a t was his object—(Cheers)—the movement would not rest here: Many of the Gentlemen opposite, with whom the Noble Lora now acted, would not go along with him in a middle course, and he world be at length compelled to go with the streatel (Cheers.) He complained not of the Catholics ; they a e y 4 consistently, and in the way that was natural enough tin v :d their circumstances. But here he for one would make 11'7 stand, and-oppose the application of the property of the Pr e ; tant Church to any other than Church purposes.—(Cheeg'i He could not find better or more appropriate terms in wi, c , 4 to convey his opinion on this subject than were used in lt at by the late Chancellor for Ireland (Lord Plunket.) r i e ," Noble Lord then said, that the existence of the Protestant Es tablishment tablishment in Ireland was the great bond of union betw ee n the two countries, and the moment that bond was broken, tha t moment would terminate their connection. He felt firmly c on ' vinced that this measure would hasten the repeal of the Un ion ' and for ever disunite both countries.—(Cheers.) Mr. ROCHE said there was a large proportion of the Ca tholics of Ireland who could not speak English, and to wh e n ( therefore it would be necessary to apply some separate ph ° 53 education. The Catholic Clergy had no desire to post et themselves of the revenues of the Established Church, nel t " a did the people desire it, for they saw that the more we althy al l e , independent a Clergy were the more remiss they were in the" duties. Mr. SCARLETT felt, in common with the Protestan ts ., Ireland, that, under pretence of education, this was only attempt to confiscate the property of the Church of Ireland the Roman Catholic Priesth o od.—( Hear.) He must say that he heard more than once i n th a t House declarations at vari a ils o ~ with the oath imposed upon Gentlemen when th e y entered They were told that it would be no impeachment of their Co at sistency to go a certain length. It would, however, be a gr e e t impeachment of their prudence. Would they embark in a vessgt manned and steered by their enemies? If they did so, they ow, a expect to see the crew take her to an enemy's port, and woe' be very sorely suspected of connivance.—( Cheers.) He had ai yet heard no good reasons stated why they should abandon the the 0 right and pursue the expedient. The Noble Lord (Lord J " Russell) saw no difference between appropriation and distri bution. " If," said the Noble Lord, " any part of the pr e ; perty of a Dean and Chapter, or of a Bi s h o p r ic, may be tak e away and transferred t o o th er Ch urc h uses , th ere w as no ,re h a ; son why it might not be transferred to a stranger." Member for the toctn of Cambridge (Mr. Rice) endeavou red to support this view of th e ma tt er by re f erence to th e times Henry VIII., and by a proposition brought forward by 0 ` .4 1. Ord, which, however, had never passed into a law. H ea l VIII. was not so weak or so foolish as to seize on the goods b the Church.—(A laugh from the Opposition.) He only took the goods of the monasteries. This, however, was a lay apPr e " priation, and, as a matter of right, under the circumsta nces reverted to the Crown. Tithes never belonged to the st ate ' They consisted of private property g i ven f or the support of the Church. The Noble Lord (L or d St an l ey ) was spo ken of as having disgraced himself by hi s con d uc t i n re l at i on to this que s- ; tion. So far from being a disgrace no man cou ld d o an r. , 1" more gracious than to support the institutions of hi s country. Could they be the friends of the country' who would expose their ancient mother the Church to sporir tion? Ireland could never be tranquillized but by justice' —( Cheers from the Opposition.) No man would ge, furt he • r i than himself toward s th e a t ta i nment o f t h at des i ra bl e o bj e ct, ,/ he saw some statesmanlik e pl an su b m i tte d to t h e H ouse . Tr question was prod uce d an d di scusse d mere l y on party grounug' to turn out Ministers.--( Cheers.) They would not succeed. The Opposition had not the confidence of the country. The e were already t r i e d, an d were con d emned by the united of the count r y.—( Cheers.) When it was understood by the people at the last general election that the Church was to he; defended with what joy did they come forward at the call, erf ie , return a majority of Conservatives.—( Cheers, and loud CA"' of Question.) Mr. RONA YNE rose, and was unable for some time to ob tain a hearing. The calls for " Question" were loud and d ge neral. On his s id e o f t h e House no language had ' e on rn a a , use of disrespectful to the Protestant clergy.-- 1 , Hear. the wished he could say the same of the GereA e men other side.—( Hear, hear.) So far from this the " ° , - 1; Member for Cumberland ( Sir J. Grail , m ,) whose sP c g e- t had been lauded to the skies by the Mi' risf i er ' ial press the. e , h •, fit to insult the Roman Catholic pie of Ireland saying that an unmarried dere- Such an expression as that, nod ' never been used on his side in the House in referee ee to the cle o f the Established Church. Much rgy as to thebeen alliance betweeee the Noble Lord who made this m otion as the Hon. a n d L earne d M ember for Dublin. N ow there sits a king of a lli ance b etween the Right Hon. B aro net opPu I'4 r W' esc [ 8 ii e unC li „ I lot te . nd t ime k t i, t( '' ) lC ti you R. INI , ill e ecel lay el '°ice • ''(lnan 0 4 r to . 16 41 J. Ogla e r es( keg,: move kiig;:le re Si r " u enr, wkl 4 . I tile C a O be bi er J • 4 11 koti-neenti t bbk,` 'f ti LA 1 1 , 1, t ord t ,'" ‘ t hatde d, 9 t 4el o vel te:iirl re asi 11) Ilt v : 11 ) `rlirlk•' itt ~~ ~' i