The Sun. — London, England, 1848-09-18 00:00:00

THE NAVY, ARMY, AND • ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. The state of the public revenue and expenditure, to 3 which tee attention of Parliament was so frequently directed during the session just closed, and the general importance of the subject itself, have necessarily at ' -tracted towards the proceedings of the Select Com mittee on Navy, Army, and Ordnance Estimates, ap pointed by the House of Commons, a large and un usual degree of national interest. An abstract, em bracing the leading features of the report of that Committee, freed from the mass of arithmetical details embodied in a tabular form, and the long dreary pages , of dry uninviting remarks and explanations with which it abounds, may not therefore be unacceptable to the general reader. The Committee directed their attention, in the first instance, to the expenditure for the navy ; and they premise their report with the statement, that as " the • expenditure for the effective services of the navy, army, and ordnance must, in great measure, depend upon the amount of force which the advisers of the Crown may consider necessary," they have "abstained . from taking any evidence, or offering any opinion upon systems of state policy, which Parliament can only sanction on the immediate responsibility of the advisers of the Crown." After quoting with appro bation the opinion of the Finance Committee of 1828, • that the establishments of the country should be regu• lated, not with reference to the unusual circumstances of the late war, or to the probability of future wars, but rather with reference to "the policy of depending • mainly on our navy for protection against foreign in vasion, and for the means of attacking our enemies," the report states, that a review of the navy estimates for many years past exhibits a large and still increas ing charge. This is shown by a return of the sums voted each year from 1828 to 1848 inclusive for effective and ineffective naval services,—the sum voted in 1828 being 6,533,8661., and in 1846 47 7,920,3251., including supplementary estimates for retired allowances to captains, and for excess of ex penditure. In 1847-48 the vote was 7,737,1981., while for 1843.49 the estimate was 7,951,842/.; but up to the time of the report Parliament had only voted certain sums on account. From 1828 to 1835-6 the return shows a gradual decrease in the annual sums voted, the amount for the latter period being 4,434,783/. ; a 'progressive rise then takes place on ward to the present year. It appears that there was an excess of expenditure over the naval grants in 1844-5 of 44,420/. ; in 1845-6, of 185,2801.; and in 1846-7, of 24;,410/.; and it is stated, that when the accounts are closed for the year '1847-8 a further grant will be required for a similar excess. Having thus pointed out the progressive increase in the general charge far the navy, the report presents us with a series of interesting tabular statements, to show—lst, the sums taken under each head of the estimates froth 1833 to the present ; in other words, the annual payments made in each department ; 2d, tha number of men, boys, and marines voted and borne from 1829 to 1847 ; and 3d, the number of ships anti vessels on the different stations on the Ist of March in each yeirr from 1835 to 1848, showing the total com pletinents of men, &c. Under the first of these heads some interesting corn- Orisons may be made. For example, the wages of seamen and marines in 1833-34 amounted to 955,220/4 in 1848.49 they were 1,425,380 ; in 1833.34, the amount for naval stores was 492,290/. ; in 1848.49, it is 1,511,6711. ; in 1833-34, for new works and repairs, 63,700/. ; in 1848-49, 688,601/. ; in 1833-34, half pay, 871,858/. ' • in 1848-49, 729,7401. The military pensions and allowances in the former period were 538,4031; in the litter, 510,2881. The civil pensions and allowances in the former period were 220,3421., and in the latter, 155,044/. In other parts of the re port explanations are given of the causes which have led' to some of these disproportions ; but it will be more convenient to take these statements in the order in which the Committee have arranged them. The next table presents a return of the number of rep, boys, and marines voted and borne from 18 . 29 to 1647. It is well known that, previously to voting the various sums ci money required under the different heads of the estimates, it is the practice of the House of Commons to decide upon the number of men ; and here we have the votes of the House during this long peried : In 1829 the numbers voted were 30,000; numbers borne, 32,458 ; in 1347-48 the numbers voted were ,43,.100 ; numbers borne, 44,969. The Committee inerk, that as the number of men Voted determines he amount of effective force for the ensuing year, it might be supposed that this decision would in great measure regulate the annual expenditure for the navy ; but such is not the fact, as is proved by a com parison of the expenditure is different years. For in stance, in the years 1841 and 1842 the number of men voted was 43,000, an amount equalling the nun:- her voted for the service of the present year; yet, in 1841 the whol' sum expended for the navy was 6 731,5021, while the estimate of the present year was 7,951,842 7 ,. ; showing that, with the same number of men, there is an estimated increase in the charge of above .1400,000/. This circumstance is noted by the Committee to show We, " when the number of men has been fixed, there is still room for the application of a wall-considered economy." • The next inquiry of the Committee, the result of which is before us, was as to the distribution of the naval farce, this information being deemed desirable before entering into the details of the expenditure for the navy. It is stated thet " the number of :seamen, including boys and inaitnes, required this year fir Sel:7lCe afloat, is 3.5,000, in addition to which there are 000 nierines to be employed on shore. The number a seamen, &.c, actually serving on the Ist of March, 1848, ineluding those ordered home and paving off, was 39,000. The number of ships and vessels of all classefin commission OA the Ist of Marc's was 215* ; but of tshose, 25 are either ordered home or paying eti, leaving 210 as the permanent number required for the service of the year at all stations," &c. To give the return of the number of ships at each station from 18.35,downwards, will hardly be thought neces sary ; but it may be interesting to state briefly the number of vessels which the Executive Government • desire to retain throughout the year on each of the Foreign stations, seven in number, ° - East Indies.-17 vessels of all classes ; one receiv ing-ship ; complement, 3,268. Four of these vessels are steamers ; three or four vessels have been stationed at New Zealand, and it is thought desirable that these shtpe should occasionally viva Australia and Van Diemen's Land. China req u ires, ac co rding to Lord Auckland, the services of seven or eight ships ; two ships are .stationed at Bombay for service in the Persian Gulf or at Aden, and one occasionally visits Aktyl and the Miou rivers. The Admiral's ship moves bout according as his presence may be required, and it aepeare that the East India Company have about 20 steamers fitted for the purposes of war. Pacific, or West Coest of America.—Previous to IST', the Pacific and south - east coast of Am erica formed to-iuther one station, with a farce of about 15 vesssls. This station has, since 1838, been con verftl into two separate stations, and the force em cfyed has been neatly doubled, in consequence of the-Qregme dispute, difficulties on the Mexican coast, the 'disputes in. the Rio Plata, and the large amount of French and American force stationed in those seas. Lord Auckland considers this force necessary in present circumstances, bust, from authorities cited by him, it would :we* that, when the vessels can be spared froin the River Plate, "it would be most unad visable to em.2oy them in cruising for sl avers on th e 11Pazilian cagt," which was their original destination in Olose seas. West Coast of Africa and Cape of Good Hope.— These two stations were comprised in one till 1841. The West Coast of Africa has now 24 vessels, with a complement of 2,470 men ; the Cape of Good Hope ins nine vessels, with a complement of 1,715 men. The ships sin the West Coast of Africa are maintained for the suppreStsion of the slave trade; but, as another Committee was sitting on this sub• jest, the inquiries regarding it were not perused. The fo‘ice has been lately much increased on account of tie Kafir war, and the station has also been ex tended to include the Mauritius and the Isle of Bour bon. Lord Auckland is of opinion that this force cannot be much reduced. North America and West Indies.—On this station there are ten vessels, with a complement of 1,717 Mee. Lord Auckland considers this force too small its fulfil the oliects intended, viz., the protection of the fisheries in the north, visiting the West India "'lnds, and watching Ural& interests from the Ca iitecas to ths shores of Nova Scotia and Newfound- Mediterranean —In the Mediterranean there are twenty This foarycesabisiPs, with a compl emen t o f 6,973 men . policy of the present in accord ance w ith th e land decl ares i t a: heni t Government; a n d L o rd Auck sopinion th a t w hil e we maintain force this amount o f naval in ti me o f peace, i t may b e more convenieney stationed in the Medittrranean than elsewhere.' ' In addition to the ships employed on the above, seven stations there is a s quadron o f evo l ut i on con sisting of three S a il o f the line oth er vesse l s, which nasty otherwi se b e called the home or Ch annel fleet With the exueption of vessels sent on particular service, and those stationed for the protection of th e hesomesels, •k ports, the rest consi s t of packets, surveyi ng ve. „The Otunnittes state they decline toenter upon the oensideratjons of general Isoliey which re gu l ate the i,NrE iNistrihation of the force ' • but they ob serve, " that hatever cause may have led to the increase of force -----' - '4 ny particular station, when once the force ha s : .-.., ~ a , augmented there is too feequently some unfortu . 2 sq -,, nate hindrance to_ its sutsequent reducfion ;" and -- they dd,'"lt is to be feared tivit officers commanding .- - at. ,Stisns Iziay he ; reluctont to part with a force once -\ --_(`, Vaced eft theit disposer; and it requires, therefore, a .--`---=- Last discrimination and a firm exercise of authority, , 1 en the part of the Home Government, to regulate the distribution of the fleet in mph a manner as shall se cure the interests of our commerce and protect the THE SUN, LONDON, MONDAY EVENING, SEPTEMBER 18, L 348. distant derainicns of the Crown without imposing an unnecessary burden on the finances of this country." A return, showing the complements of the dil ferent rates of ships in 1837 and 1847 exhibits a very considerable increase of the established complements for the latter year, and consequently the charge for a ship of the same rate is neces3arily greater than it was in the former period. The ab , ve necessary preliminary inquiries as to the genend expense, number of men, and distribu tion of the navy, having been disposed of, the report presents the results of the Committee's inquiry into each particular vote, there being 19 in all. Vote No. 1 embraces the estimate for wages to seamen and marines. The gross estimate tender this head for 1848-1849 was 1,425,3801. The Secretary to the Admiralty states his belief that this estimate is based upon an incorrect average. In former years, an average of 361. 33.11 d. per man upon the whole of the men voted was sufficient to cover the expense of the reliefs, and even to leave a considerable surplus. The extension of the steam navy has since rendered it necessary to employ a number of men, such as en gineers and stokers, whose services can only be ob tained by higher pay, and, consequently, the former average can no longer be relied upon. The true average would amount to 381. 15s. 3d. per man. This statement seems to have puzzled the Committee, for, notwithstanding the fact, that the average charge per man has increased, the sum asked for in the estimates to defray the wages of the current year is less than in 1841, when the same number of men (43,000) was voted, showing that an increase of charge under this head will probably fall to be supplied in some future years. Many causes operate to render a strictly accurate estimate of the expenditure under this head very difficult, but, though some of them are stated, they will scarcely interest the general reader. The inquiries of the Committee, however, brought out distinctly the fact already stated, that, with the same number of men as were voted in 1841, the cost of maintaining the force has considerably increased. This is partly explained by the circumstance, that while in 1841 there were only sixteen steamers in commission, in 1848 there are in commission fifty steamers ; and some idea of the difference of cost in curred will be obtained from the fact, that whereas the average expense of wages per head of the crew of the St. Vincent is about 281. per annum, the average expense per head of the crew of the Sampson steamer is about 401. per annum. A considerable increase in the pay of engineers has also taken place since 1843, and there is a higher charge than usual for Admirals and their retinue. A statement showing the rate of able seamen's pay at different periods may not be uninteresting : Previous to the 22d of April, 1797, it was 1/, 4s. per month, subject to' a deduction of ls. for the chest at Chatham, and 6d. fur the hospital at Greenwich. From 1797 to 1806 the pay was U. 9s. 64 ; and from that time to 1816 it was 1/. 13s. 6d. ; from 1817 to 1824, when the new system of victualling was adopted, the pay • was 1/. t2s. ; and from the new system of victualling to the present time 11. 14s. net pa The report contains an account of the expense of 12,000 marines and a marine artillery, a force greatly reduced in 1832, but now re-established. This was considered a most important branch of the service since the increase in the steam navy, and the greater use of shell guns. The expense of a company of marine artillery above a company of marines is 878/.; and, as the force could not be suddenly raised, if wanted for an emergency, the Committee consider its maintenance at the present limited amount to be consistent with a well considered economy. The Committee directed their attention to the dif ference between the number of men voted for the navy din d the number of men borne; and on this head Lord Auckland stated his desire to restrict the num ber of men within the amount voted, and expressed his belief that this object will be effected in the course of the next few months. The estimates fur the present year centain a vote of 30,000/., which it was proposed to take for the pur pose of ameliorating the condition of petty officers and able seamen, the object being to bestow a higher rate of payment after a certain length of service, to induce them to remain, instead of going s‘ here they could get batter pay. On this vote the Committee offer no opinion, referring the matter entirely to the wisdom of Parliament. Vote No. 2—Victuals for Seamen—This estimate was 653,6831. The quantity of provisions required for the 3.5,000 seamen afloat is calculated upon the established allowance of some articles, and upon the estimated consumption of others, an aver aze of which is obtained from former accounts. 'With reference to the established allowances, the same ration is issued to every one without distinction of rank, from the Admiral downwards, and compen sation is made to the men fur such portions es they may save from the daily allowances made to them. In 1847- the value of th(, savings thus effected by the seamen amounted to 66,610/. It would be neither profitable nor entertaining to follow the report through all the intricate calculations that have been made relative to the sslt teef, pork, biscuit, vege tables, Sze., supplied to her Majesty's navy. Suffice to sw that, for victualling 35,000 seamen afloat, those is the packet service and yard craft, and for victualling stores, ke., the esimated expense for 1848•49 is 620,6831. ; and that, according to the evidence of Lord Auckland, "it is nut possible to procure provisions of a better quality than those which are issued to cur sailors," while " the sum annually paid to them in lieu of provisions uncon sumed prow s that the quantities are amply sufficient." The following is the rate of victualling : s. (1. Per man per annum .. l7 15 4_oBB Do per month .... Do. per day _ _ lii the estimate fol. the present year, as in all pre vious ones, there are sums taken for various purposes, which it may be of use to specify. For instance, there is an item of 7,020/, for condemned provisions; that is, provisions declared unserviceable, and such as are returned into store from ships arriving from foreign ports. There is also a sum of 3,8251. to replace the estimated loss of provisions by evaporation ; and under the head " necessary money" is a sum of 329611. as an allowance made to pursers for providing her Majesty's ships with various items, under the authority of the Admiralty iastructions, such as coals, wood, candles, oil, &e. Then there is 39,4761. under the head " Pursers' profit balances." Every purser is required to e!ose his accounts annually ; he is charged with all supplies of prZwisiens, and credited with the established allowance for thenumber of persons appear ing to have been victualled according to the ship's mus ter-books. A fixed allowance is made to him for waste in the issue, and be is paid at a certain rate for audits on the balance of his account. For what is culled " provision money excess cost" there is an item of 3,4301., being a compensation in lieu of provisions given in some cases to flag-lieutenants, admirals' se cretaries, clerks, and seamen, when employed on shore. The Committee are not satisfied that this lexpense has been at all times properly incurred, and recommend _the matter to the attention of the Ad miralty. Provisions are obtained by contract, end it is con sidered desirable to keep a stock of salt meat sufficient for six months' consumption. Of late years preserved meats have been substituted once a week in lieu of salt meat on all foreign stations. This arrangement is conducive to the health of the seamen ; and the faci el:it.), of obtaining a supply has superseded the neces sity of retaining in store the large quantities of salt meat formerly deemed indispensable. Biscuit is manu factured a tDeptford,Portsrnauth, Ply mouth, and Malta. In the year ending December, 1847, the quantity ma nufactured at the above ports and purchased abroad was 11,977,821, at the average rate of 1/. 2s. 7.10 d. per cwt. The contract for salt meat is taken towards the end of September. In September, 1847, there were purchased of salt beef (Irish) 5,000 tierces, all at V. 19s. per tierce; and of salt pork 9,950 tierces, at the average price of 81. 6s. Id. per tierce. It w ill be observed that the 5,000 tierces of salt beef were all Irish ; and it may also be noted that of the 9,950 tierces of salt pork, 6,400 were Irish. In order to point out distinctly under which divi sion of the estimates the great increase of charge for the navy arises, the Committee furnish several returns to show the great expense incurred by the effective force at tea in the two principal items, wages and victuals. They give a retur n s ho w in g the expense of wages and victuals per annum for a ship of each rate and class, calculated upon the present complements. To give all these details would go beyond the scope of this notice; but one or two may be selected as examples : A first-rate, with 1,000 men, costs annually for wages 25,7431.; for victuals, 17,7661.—t0ta1, 43,5001. A. first rate, 950 men, costs for wages 24,6351. ; victuals, 16,878/.—t0ta1, 1 41,5131. A second-rate, 850 men, costs for wages 22,0281 ; victuals, 15,1011.—total 37,1291. A fourth-rate, 500 men, costs for wages 13,617/. ; victuals, B,BB3l.—total, 22,500. A sixth rate, 240 men, costs for wages 7,3561 ; victuals, 4,2641.—t0tal 11,6201. Asteam.sloop, 160 men, costs for wages 5,467/. ; vic tuals 2,8421—t0tal 8,3091, A steam vess4l, 80 men, costs for wages 2,691/. ; victuals, 1,4211.—t0tal 4,1121. The whole annual cost of an 80-gun ship, with 750 men, is as follows :—Wages, 19,812/. ; victuals, 13,325/ ; rigging, sails, and stores (exclusive of ordnance), 3,201/. ; wear and tear of hull, 3,660/, — total, 39,9981. _ The Co m mit te e, i n t h e i r remar k s upon thi s vo t e , observe, that " the only sure and efficacious check a in against e n y t e recommenda tnnexcess of expenditure is to limit the numb er of men borne th w ithin the number voted ; and d th ti e rn e e sti e , showingthe 1848-49 was 136 , 3031., the t a u t a t l h ly e same born estimates, t a e s, statement o r presented should t obethaen house nually 'Vote No. during3.—Adin-e the number of men ac past financial year. 36,30 1 3 r 1 alty b .office—The estimate for eing a small diminution from the charge previous year, but showing a considerable increase since 1833. The business of the Admiralty is divided between the office at White hall and at Somerset-house. The several departments are distributed among the members of the Board of Admiralty, so that each one of the Lerds Commis soners, ly sides attending the board, is made con versant with the details of the particular branch which is placed under his especial superintendence. The First Sea Lord attends to the distribution of the fleet, and the preparation of orders in commis sion. Another naval Lord attends to the manning and arming of ships, and to all matters connected with the marines and marine artillery. A third superintends the building and repairing both of sailing and steam-vessels. A fourth overlooks the purchase and disposal of naval stores and provisions for the navy ; the transport service and the medical depart ment are placed under his care as well as all claims for pensions. The junior lay lord superintends the finance accounts, the engineering, and architectural works, and the packet service. The First Lord is cognizant of all that is in progress in each depart ment, and exercises the general control which neces sarily accompanies the chief responsibility. The Committee, in their inquiries as to the causes which have led to an increase in the expenditure of the Admiralty, found that with the increase of naval force and of establishments at home and abroad, a corresponding increase has arisen in the daily busi ness to be transacted, and consequently extra pay ments are made to the clerks who work additio❑al hours, and extra clerks are employed beyond the number sanctioned by the Treasury. The mode of employing extra clerks the Committee consider ob jectionable, and they recommend that none shall be hereafter employed without the written permission of the Treasury. The number of officials employed in the offices at Whitehall and Somerset House is 289. Under this vote are placed the appointments of Vice-Admiral and Rear-Admiral of Great Britain. The Committee of 1833 nominated to inquire into army and navy appointments observed that these were distinctions immediately connected with the naval service, and have always been reckoned among the highest professional honours to which a naval officer could aspire, and the Committee therefore recommend their continuance. The whole emoluments are to gether less than 8001. a year. Vote No. 4.—General Register and Record ',Office of Seamen.—The gross estimate for 1848-1849 was 9,7721. 'On this estimate the Committee report, ",Some information on the subject will be found in the evidence, but since the questions of register and apprenticeship, together with the general policy of the navigation-laws, have been brought under the no tice of the House, your Committee deemed it un necessary to pursue this inquiry further." Vote No. s.—cientific Branch.—The estimate for this year was unusually large, being 80,395/., whereas last year it was 46,7971. The increase is chiefly caused by a charge of 30,000/. for the Arctic Expe • dition, being the sum requisite to send out an expedi tion in search of Sir John Franklin and his crew, who, in 1845, sailed in two ships for the discovery of a north• west passage. On this subject the Committee inquire—" What has been gained by these reiterated attempts to find a north-west passage ? has any result been obtained commensurate with the cost ?" And they add, "Such researches may gra tify the laudable curiosity of scientific men, and settle long-disputed theories; nor is it denied that some indirect advantages may casually be derived from these perilous voyages ; but the expenditure for such should not be included in the navy estimates, since it is in no way connected with the maritime power of the country." It appears that since 1815 a sum of 428,7821. has !men expended in Arctic expedi tions. The charge for the Antarctic expedition was 80,5201. After deducting the 30,0001. taken on account of the Arctic expedition, there still remains 50,0001. for scientific purposes. The Royal Observatory costs 42301.; and the observatcry at the Cape of Good Elope costs 2,8551. The astronomer at the Cape, Mr. *Maclean, has, it _is said, arranged a plan with the As tronomer Royal, in furtherance of which a series of observations have been made, and are still continued, of great value to the science of astronomy. A charge has for some years appeared for the re measurement of La Caille's Arc of the Meridian. Doubts having been entertained of the accuracy of that astronomer's measurements, executed about the middle of the last century, it was resolved to repeat La Caille's observations and measurements and con duct similar operations along a more extensive arc.' The work has accordingly been going on at the Cape and is now nearly terminated, an important addition having been thereby made to our knowledge of the form and dimensions of the earth. The total expense incurred is 9,7371., and any future payments required will be trifling. Thor the compass department the sum required is 2,1981., and the charge for the hydrographical de partment is 28,7001. In the surveying department the annual charge has greatly increased since 1837-38. In that year it was 68,0001., while in 1845-46 it was 178000/. A reduction in the number of vessels employed in the service has since taken place; seven or eight were called away to be sent with meal to the coasts of Ireland and Scotland. Ten vessels are now employed, and it is not intended to increase the number. The Committee recommend a fixed limit to the sum annually expended on surveys, and they propose that 70,0001. should henceforth be the maximum. An arrangement by which greater facilities are to be given for the distribution and sale of charts is stated to he under the consideration of the Admiralty. There is a charge of 3,630/. to defray the addi• tional expense and labour thrown the Admiralty by the duty of examining and reporting on all railways and other plans and projects which may interfere with the tidal waters and navigable rivers of the United Kingdom. On this point the Committee suggest that the duty might be better discharged by the railway department of the Government ; and they consider it inexpedient to establish a central authority for the supervision of harbours in connexion with the Ad miralty till Parliament is fully informed as to the powers with which such a department was to be in vested. The charge for the Royal Naval College at Ports mouth is 2,203/ ; and there is a new charge, for a school of mathelratics and naval construction, of 800/. The Committee think that in future new expenses, unless connected with the interests of the nary, should be excluded from this estimate. They believe that the advancement of science will be better pro moted by a direct appeal to the House of Commons than by the introduction into these estimates of charges v. hich have no reference to the naval strength of the British empire. NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. PoRTSMOUTIT, S UNDAY. —Yesterday morning the First Lord of the Admiralty and Captain Eden, his private sect etary, embarked in the Admiralty barge from the Sallyport-stairs fur the dockyard, to hold a levee at the Naval College. At half-past nine o'clock the inter views commenced. The following officers were pre sented :- 11, , ,?.tr-Ailtioirsl—Douglas. Captains—Sir Henry Leek; JOseph Harrison, and the Hon. G. F. Hastings. Commanders —'Graham Ogle, Moorman, Michell, Western, Tarleton, Schomberg, Curtis, Morrell, Fein , Franklin, Douglas, Seymour, Hewlett, ranby, Gui n ness, Joluison, and Edwin. _ _ _ Lieutenants—Cochran (flag), Herrick (Admiralty 113 g), Compton, Bullen, H. Walker, Morris, Haslett, Barnard, R. Ward, J. Stone, H. Lappidge, Oxenhatn i Rooke, Hall, Budges, the lion. J. B. Byng, and Darby. Masters—Thomas, Ellis, and White. Mate—Huthwaite. Assistant-Surgeon—Pritchard. Messrs—Hodges and Jameson. ROYAL MARINES. Lieutenant-Colonel D. Balliugal. Lieutenant—Searle. Surgeon—Dr. Irvine. Whilst the First Lord held his levee Admiral Dundas, Captains Lords J. Hay and Milne, with the master ship wright, mustered the men of the dockyard, who after wards had a holyday. Colonel Irvine and Captain Ellice in the meanwhile transacted business with Cap tain James, the Royal Engineer officer in charge of the works of this port. Mr. Secretary Ward and Captain Berkeley also transacted business connected with their more immediate departments. About twelve o'clock the above duties having been brought to a close, the whole board, accompanied by the Admirals and their staff, and a party of ladies, embarked in tho Lightning steamer and went out to Spithead to witness the steam trials of the Termagant frigate, 32 guns, 1,640 tons, 620- horse power, built by White, of Cowes; the Encounter, 1,000 tons, 360-horse power, built by Fincham; and the Plumper, 12 guns, 650 tons, and 60-horse power (also by Fincham). These vessels went out at ten o'clock, in order to get their ma c hi ner y i nto goo d or d er by th e time the Admiralty went out. The Termagant was commanded by Commander Stevens, of the steam-squa dron; the Encounter by Commander Grenfell, of the Illustrious; and the Plumper by Lieutenant Robertson, of the steam establishment at Woolwich. The following Admiralty and other officers were on board the three vessels :—Captain Horatio Austen, C. 8., Chief Superin tendent of the steam squadron at this port ; Mr. Lloyd, Chief Admiralty Engineer ; Captain Halstead, Mr. F. P. Smith, Inspector of Screw-propellers, &e. ; Com mander Matson, Commander Johnson, the officers of the Royal Naval College, Mr. J. White, of Cowes, Mr. Seaward, of the firm of Seaward and Capel, the civil engineers of London ; Mr. Murray, civil engineer ; Mr. Penn, the civil engineer of Greenwich ; Mr. Fincham, Mr. John Fincham, &c. The result of the trials at the measured mile or knot in Stoke's Ba was (officially) —Termagant, 9 knots ; Encounter, 10.2 ; Plumper, 5. 4. When the Admiralty, in the Lightning, got up with the steam squadron, they gave orders that they should steam round the Herefordshire at the Motherbank, and round the Powerful at Spithead, a course of about eight miles; in making which the Encounter went ahead of the Ter magant at the rate of about a knot an hour. On return ing, the order was given for the Encounter to close and stop, when their Lordships went on board, inspected the vessel, and then re-embarked in their barge, `whence they boarded the Pearl cutter-yacht I of the Master-General of the Ordnance, the Marquis of Anglesey, when the Board invited that nobleman to join their party. They then went on board the Termagant, whose machinery made so much noise that they ordered its alteration. She made, during her trials, 43 revolu tions, and with the exception of "priming," to which all vessels for the first few hours of steaming are liable, and the bearing of the driving-wheel heating, worked ex ceedingly well. From the Termagant the Board re turned to the Lightning to an elegant dejeuner, of which a large and brilliant circle partook. After this they boarded the Plumper, and made a most minute inspection of her machinery; after which they ordered the common log to be hove, which indicated her speed as 6.225. The patent log gave the actual speed as above. The trim of the vessel was then altered by shifting about eight tons of ballast from the after body forward, which seemed to improve her speed, Which no doubt would have been greater had she been fitted with her own screw, whereas she was using the screw of another vessel 15 inches less in diameter, and is mot yet coppered. The draught of these vessels after returning to harbour was:— Aft, Forward, ft. in. ft. in. 17 3 15 5 13 5 10 8 12 0 10 9 Termagant Encounter Plumper ... The Admiralty being perfectly satisfied with the per formance of the steamers sent them into harbour be tween three and four o'clock, and returned themselves, after an inspection of the apprentices in the Rolla brig in the Solent, at five o'clock, landing from the barge at the Victoria pier, and walking thence to the George Hotel, where in the evening they entertained the fol lowing party :—Sir Charles Ogle, Admiral Prescott, Admiral Sir Francis Austen, Vice -Admiral Sir John Ommanney, Colonel Lewis, Royal Engineers, Colonel Powell, Royal Marines, Captains Sir W. Parry, C. Eden, Yates, the Hon. G. Hastings, and A us ti n ; Com manders Stevens, Hewlett, Ogle, Moorman, Caldwell, Grenfell, Michell, Dumaresq, and Captain J. Home Pur ees, Brigade-Major of the district. Colonel Irvine, the Director-General of Works to the Board, left for town last evening by the South Coast Railway, as did Mr. Ward. Lord John Hay left this morning by the South-Western line. The Seamen and Marines' Orphan Schools were mus tered this morning in the dockyard before the Earl of Auckland, Rear-Admiral IDundas, Captain Berkeley, and Captain Milne, who afterwards went on board the Victory to church. The board has given a piece of ground for the building of new schools for these orphans. Their Lordships received dispatches yesterday which caused them to order four steamers to Ireland as soon as they can respectively "be got ready ; accordingly the Cyclops steam-frigate, Captain the Hon. G. Hastings, has been completing her victualling and storing since, and has this afternoon embarked a field battery of the Royal Marine Artillery and 200 officers and men of that serviceable arm for daty on the Irish coast without a moment's delay. The officers selected for this duty are —Captains Thomas P. Dwyer and -11. W. Parke, and Lieutenants G. G. Alexander, G. A. Schomberg, Julius Roberts, and C. L. Barnail. These forces go as a Royal Artillery brigade, and take with them harness, rocket battery, and every munition of the service. The Cyclops, fully manned and armed, sailed this evening for Cork. The Driver steam-sloop, 1,050 tons, 280 horse power, just brought from the Irish coast after tem porary service thereon, under Commander C. R. John son, was at the same time ordered by the Admiralty to be regularly commissioned for permanent (three pars) sea service, and commander Johnson has been ap pointed to her. She, too, goes immediately she is manned to Ireland. The Sprightly steam-vessel, 234 tons and 100 horse power, was lathe same time commis sioned by Lieutenant Barnard, of the Excellent, and manned from the crew of that ship, also for Ireland; and the Dwarf screw steam vessel, in dock, is also or dered to be commissioned for the like service. These latter vessels are ordered to be got off without delay, and will sill on Tuesday or Wednesday for Waterford. Captain Horatio Austen and Commander Stevens, of the steam squadron, and Captain Jakes and the officers of the Flu arious depot-ship, with a working party of 180 men from that shin, have been indefatigably employed to day in storing the Cyclops, and taking the Sprightly out of the steam basin, Sec., to forward the work of ex • pedition. Admiral Superintendent Prescott, Mr. Murray, the Superintending Engineer, and the chief officers of the yard, are all employed on this work to day, and are to go more bodily to work upon them to morrow; they and the artizans employed under them will re-commence work upon the vessels at five o'clock. The Hecate steam-sloop, Commander Moorman, is ordered to be paid off. The Pigmy, one of the steam mail-boats lately em ployed at Pembroke, Lieutenant Commanding A. Darby, arrived from that port yesterday morning, and sailed last evening for Woolwich to be paid off. The following promotions and appointments have been made during the past week:— PROMOTIONS. Mates—W. G. H. Morgan and John W. Pike, to the rank. of Lieutenant, in consequence of the candlelit ex amination they have passed at the Naval College, the proficiency they have made in the scientific branches of the profession, and the high certificates they possess from the officers under whom they have served. Assistant• Surgeons—James Davidson (1838), and Fd- Stupart (1846), to the rank of Surgeon. Cleik—Watson W. Parrninter (1841), acting Pay master and Purser, of the Juno, confirmed to that rank, and re-appointed to the ; Juno. APVANTMENTS. Commanders—Michael de Courcy, to the Helena, vice G. W. Smith; Humphry J. Julian, confirmed in the Re sistance troop-ship; A. Viner, to study at the Royal Naval Col'rge; William O'Brien Hoare,' to the Coast Guard; C. R. Johnson, to the Driver. Lieutenants—WT. 11. L. Quinlan, to the Coast Guard ; the Hon. J. R. M. Ilyng, to the Ocean. Paymaster and l'urter—W. L. Noreccii, to the Cy clops. Master—J. T. Crout, to the Cyclops. Naval lostruo.A)r—W. IL nicintosh, to the Cyclops. Assistant Surgeon —H. Lt. Mackenzie, to the Pe- M.dshipmen—E. Stubbs and C. R..bson, to the Pe nelope; W. Butler, to the Ftigard; A. G. Cowper, to the Powerful. Naval Cadets—Viscount Guillamore, to the Fisgard. Master's Assistants—E. Browne, to the Cyclops; T. Ogler, to the Ocean. Royal Marines—Qaartermaster Shcwin, to be Captain. Woo',wren, Sxr. 16 —The Hogue, converted into a guard-ship at Blackwell, and made ready to receive auxiliary engines with a screw -propeller, with which she is to be fitted at Sheerness, was taken out of duck yes terday by attaching 60 casks and two lighters to her stern at low water, which had the effect of raising the vessel upwards of two feet at high water. The applica tion of these means was rendered necessary in conse quence of the alterattons made in the vessel since she was taken into dock, and the impression that they would be requisite was confirmed by the fact, that even with their aid she was only got out of dock ten minutes before high water; took place. The Hogue was towed by the Monkey and A.:rican steam vessels to Woolwich the same evening, and left again this afternoon at one o'clock, towed by the same steamers, for Sheerness. The Dover steam-vessel, 3rlr. Boulton, second master, commanding, will leave on Monday for Portsmouth, and Commodore Sir Gordon Bremer, K.C.B. K.C.H., with Lady Gordon Bremer, will take a passage round in her to that port. The gallant Commodore has obtained six anal iwili proceed to his estate Fitzroy, who is to commission the i'e Del s i i :l r :o r l o ne g ash a v n eir t eo ,. f ss a i Cb ll sae a pn c tc t aei a n' s Cap am-superintendent during the Commodore'a absence._ General Lord Viscount Hardinge, G.C.B. and G.C.H. previous to leaving India, ordered two of the Sikh field battery guns, taken at Lahore, to be forwarded to this country for presentation to her Majesty. These guns arrived some time ago at the R o y a l A rsena l, Wool wich, and, having been thoroughly cleaned, were packed in boxes on Saturday last to be forwarded with great care to Windsor Castle, where they are to be deposited in future. The guns are 6 pounders, one of superior gun-metal, and the other with a large proportion of brass in it, and are evidently of those furnished to the Sikhs by this country, and afterwards turned against it. The carriages are of a superior description, made by natives. The limbers, the ammunition boxes, and the wheels are made of the finest teak, richly embossed with brass, and inlaid with steel throughout the length of the brass bor ders. The upper part of the teak is beautifully inlaid with mother-of-pearl ornaments regularly arranged, and the sides inl a id w i th b rass represent i ng a ti ger p ounc i ng upon and se i z i ng an antelope, an I n di an carr yi ng a fl ag , and an alli gator catching a fish, t h e l ater b e i ng f orme d o f mother-of-pearl. Th e naves o f t h e wheels aro surmounted with solid br ass ornaments, cast to represent the heads of tigers, a n d t h e li mber is joine d to t h e gun - carr i age b y an excellent representation of an elephant's head cast in brass, and a representation of an elevated trunk formed of iron, the hook to hold the limber to the gun-carriage. The poles of the gun-carriages are all of bright iron, and the ornaments are p ro fuse in every part of these splendidly -mounted guns. The water buckets are made of the best teak, strongly hooped with brass. The port fire cutter is formed entirely of brass, the fore part re presenting the head of a peacock, and the handle the body and tail of a fish, carved to represent scales. The hatchet on th e other side of each gun-carriage is of polished steel, and the handle inlaid with brass. There are two seats for gunners on each of the gun carriages made of bright iron, with elbows similar to arm-chairs. The arms are necessary to confine the elbows, as the chairs, in place of being elevated, as the seats of the Bri tish artillery gunners are, have been fixed on the axle tree of the gun - carriage, betwixt the gun and the wheels, and the gunners have to sit with their feet swinging in brass chains below the axle, with their backs to the horses, and so near the ground that they can easily step upon it from their seats. ROYAL ARTILLERY.--Major Fraser's company , 4 th battalion, and Captain Stace's company, 7th battalion, arrived in the A t h o l l troop-sh i p at Q ue bec on the lath of August, after a passage of forty-one days f rom Wool wich and thirty-six days from Plymouth. Ma j or Fra ser's comp .my, und er t h e comman d of Second Captain Lyle, proceed e d on the following d ay t o Montreal, with Lieutenants Pigou an d C o l om b, t o relieve Captain Cal lington's company, Ist battalion, and the latte r came t o Quebec o n t h e 22 d of August, to em b ar k in the Atholl, being und er or d ers to return to hea d- quar ters at Wool wich. C a pt a i n Stace ' s company remains in Quebec to relieve C a p ta i n Poole's company , 2d b a ttalion, also ordered h ome . T he Atholl em b ar k e d the companies, and sailed on the 25th of August for England, and may be expected t o arr i ve here before the cad of the present month. LEwI .1: 'shy- :SHAM.—The Kent, are al most astonished by the sudden and rapid progress of th e G ravesend ra il li ne , w hich now occupi es good folks of Lewisham, in the ground between the Plough and the Brewery in the Lewisham-road. A bridge is nearly made over the water or Ravensbourne, and the arches of the viaduct pass through Bridge -place, where the row of houses hue bow moved. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. MANSION-HOUSE. Mrs. Ann Batt ; the owner of the house No. 19, Buck lert.bury, and also of the house No. 6, Bond -court, \Val brook, was summoned by the overseers of the parish of St. Stephen, Walbrook, for refusing and neglecting to pay poor-rates, due upon two houses, to the amount of 251. 10s. Mr. Maninie, the collector of the poor-rates, attended with the overseers, and proved that several ineffectual ap plications had b2en wade to Mrs. Batt for payment of the rate, but 'she excused herself upon the ground that the parish was largely indebted to her. .4 person who attended on the part of Mrs. Batt re presented the lady as being unable to obey the summons in consequence of indisposition, and handed in the fol lowing communication, signed by her son:— _ "Sept. "My Lord,—Mrs. Batt (the sextoness of St. Ste phen's Walbrook), being summoned to appear befor e you this day to answer the complaint of the churchwar dens and overseers for not paying the poor-rates, I wish to inform you of the facts relating to the reasons of not paying. " The churchwardens are in debt to her nearly 5004 for supplying the church with every necessary article for these last five years, vis., for coals, candles, sacra ment wine, making and washing surplices, paying man for bell-ringing, and every other article too numerous to mention. The bills having been sent to the church wardens, and not being able to get one farthing from them, I think, my ,Lord, you will not insist upon her paying the poor-rates till she receives some part of the large amount owing to her from the parish. She has not the least objection to the claimed rates being de ducted from her bills, or will settle the amount when she receives the moneys from the parish, if they will give her credit till that time. " There is property to the amount of about 700/ per annum belonging to the parish, and if the moneys were properly managed there would be no occasion for any rates at all, as there have not been any for the last 20 years. Hoping you will take the facts into your kind consideration, I beg to be " Your Lordship's humble and obedient servant, "(For ANN BATT), CHARLES BATT. " 19, Bucklersbury. " N.B. My mother is seriously ill with the rheumatic gout, which prevents her attending the court." The collector submitted that the overseers of the poor bad nothing to do with the debt to which Mrs. Batt had alluded, and that as it was compulsory upon them to raise the rate, they had no alternative but to apply to his Lordship for a warrant against the defendant. The LORD MAYOR—It seems that there is a large amount of money due to her by the parish. Are you aware that such is the fact? One of the Overseers—lf she bare any claim it is against the churchwardens, and not against the over seers of the poor. We have a very considerable rate to collect by the end of the month, and this refusal is likely to be all impediment to that collection. The guardians of the por will not wait ; they will expect a punctual supply. The LORD MAYOR—I really cannot think of ordering a warrant in such a case as this. What ! compel a per son to pay 251. to the parish when the parish owes her twenty times that amount ? The Overseer—What course are we to pursue in such a case ? The application for a mandamus to compel your Lordship to grant the order will be attended with considerable expense, and we very much dislike such an al tern ative. The LORD MAYOR —You must take your own course. It is better that all the facts relative to the allegcd debt to Mrs. Batt should come out. The overseer ; --I am placed in a most disagreeable situation, befit under the obligation to find upwards of 5001. for the support of the poor by the end of the month. I have but lately come into the parish, and I am scarcely in it when I find myself one of the over seers. The LORD MAYOR—I admit that is a hard case, but look at the situation of this poor woman. She has been, it appears, in the parish for many years, and the parish is indebted to her upwards of 5001., and she cannot get one farthing of it. How can it be supposed that I would issue a IN arrant in such a case? Cannot the parish authorities come to some arrangement on the matter? The Overseer—She has her remedy against the churchwardens. To the overseers, I assure your Lord ship, this a very disagreeable task. The LORD MAYOR—I have no doubt of it. Ido not by any mearvs question your humanity; on the contrary, I am sure you perform your duty with the most kindly feelings. But it would be both cruel and unjust to press upon this poor woman for the payment of mousy to the perish when the parish is her debtor in twenty times the amount. The Overseer—We do not know that the money is due to Mrs. Batt. The person who represented Mrs. Batt here stated that he could bring the bills to his Lordship to prove that the whole amount mentioned by her was due, and she had not the slightest objection to pay if she got part of the debt. The LORD MATOR—I suppose she has not the money to pay the rates. Mrs. 'Batt's representative—She certainly has not.' The Overseer—But, my Lord, we, the overseers of the poor, have nothing to do with her claims, and the guardians will certainly look to us, in whom delay is a transgression of the law. The LORD MAvoa—What has become of the 7001. a year, of which Mrs. Batt RlY. , aks in her lettor as belong ing to the parish ? The Overseer—That I believe is in Chancery. We have nothing to do with it, and know nothing about it. The LOlll5 MAYOR—Yon surely had better suspend your coarse of proceedings for - the payment of this de mand until that matter is decided. This poor woman is not able to pay, and I shall not Coln pt.l her unless a man damus compels roe. If you choose to adopt that course, do; it wig the thing to a point. The Overseer—The guardians of the poor may seize upon my property if I fail in the collection ; and other parishioners may, as they have already threatened to do, refuse to pay the demands upon them, in conse quence of the non-enforcement of the obligation upon Mrs. Batt. The LORD 'AfAYOR—Not one of the parishioners has the same ground of refusal. We have had instances of refusal here from other persons in the parish, •but they did not hold out long. Every one of them soon paid. But I thought everything was on the point of being settled in the parish, and that litigation was at an end. The Overseer—We are informed that Mr. Rock and Mr. Flight, who have all the money in their hands, re fuse to have it settled. They call themselves the church wardens, and Mrs. Batt ought to apply to thorn. It is our anxious wish that there should be no more litigation; but if your Lordship has made up your mind upo❑ the subject, why I do not see that we can help app!ying to a judge for a mandamus. The LORD MAYOR—I most assuredly have made up my mind. I must of course obey a mandamus, but I am greatly migalren if any judge will grant you one under such circumstances. Application for a warrant was then formally refused, but the LORD MAYOR main expressed his conviction that the overseers of the parish performed their duties in the most humane and at the same time the most Efficient manner. business. The prisoner, with a sigh and a shake of the head, replied, " I don't find it all." He then looked at the bill, and said he would fetch a pen and ink in order that witness might receipt it, but witness said he had a pencil, and could receipt it with that. The prisoner said he had better have a pen and ink, end, taking up the parct 1 under his arm, walked out, closing the par lour-door after him. Witness, however, suspecting that all was not right, opened the door a little way, and saw the prisoner, with his hat on, walking cut of the house. He immediately pursued him, and caught sight of him running down Fox-court, Gray's Inn-lane. He over took him at the end of the court, when the prisoner said he was coming back directly to the George. Witness, however, caught him by the collar and seized the parcel, upon which the prisoner made a blow at him, which he warded off. Ile then twisted witness's arm, and pinched a piece out of his hand in his endeavours to make him let go, but witness succeeded in detaining him and tak ing him over to Mr. Morgan's shop, where he com plained of having a sprained ancle. He said he was very lame when he ordered the goods, but when he was running in Fox•.court he appeared to be perfectly sound in both legs. He was given into custody in the shop. Mr. Moreton, landlord of the George, proved that the prisoner was never landlord of the house, and had no authority to order the goods. The next case was precisely similar as to the facts, except that the prisoner had got clear off with the goods, which were worth nearly 3i He had ordered them from Mr. Joy, a hosier, in Westminster-road, and represented himself as landlord of a public-house in Canterbury place, Belvedere-road, to which housa Mr. Joy's as sistant took the goods, and found the prisoner, without his hat, reading the paper. 110 took the goods from the assistant, saying, he must show them to his brother, but of course alter the young man had waited until he was tired he discovered that his customer had fled. There was one other case heard, in which he had defrauded a Mr. Williams, a hosier, in Blackfriars road, to the amount of 31. 9s. 3d. in a precisely similar manner. F 58, who had taken the prisoner into custody, said, he bad been three times convicted, and on the present occasion he had no less than seven clear cases against him. Mr. HENRY thought that three cases would be quite sufficient to send before a jury, and the witnesses being bound over to prosecute, The prisoner was committed for trial on the cases above mentioned. MARLBOROUGH-STREET. James Waller Gardner, of 43, Great Portland strret, a welt-dressed man, who has passed under the names of E. H. Green, Straubenzee and Co., Rutter and Co., and several other names, and who calls himself a bill dis counter, was brought up for further examination, charged with having stolen a bill of exchange for 2001, the property of Mr. William Barnwell, of Jer myn-street, under pretence of getting it discounted. The prisoner has been long known in the discounting world, and his apprehension created a good deal of inter est in those quarters in which he was more particularly known. Mr. Redpath, of the firm of Dean, Leeks, and Red path, St. Swithin's-lane, on behalf of the City of. London Protection Society, attended to prosecute. Mr. Hobler appeared for the prisoner. The prisoner, it appeared, obtained information by some means that did not transpire, that the prosecutor was in want of temporary accommodation. Thinking this a good opportunity, he wrote a letter to the prose cutor, stating that he could accommodate him by dis counting his bill. The prosecutor answered the letter, and ultimately an interview was obtained with the pri• soner, when the latter, by his plausible manner, and re presenting that he had a large cash account at Messrs. Coutts', succeeded in getting possession of the prose cutor's bill for 2001., on the promise of bringing him the money in a few hours. This promise, of course, the prisoner never intended to perform, and the prosecutor saw no more of the prisoner until Tuesday last, when he mat him in Albany-street, Regent's-park. He im mediately demanded the prisoner to restore the bill. The prisoner said he had not got it, and begged, for God's sake, that the prosecutor would not expose him, and promised that the bill should be returned to him. The prosecutor, however, turned a deaf ear to the prisoner's protestations, called a constable, and gave him in charge. The only additional evidence produced this day has that of Mr. James Allan Green, clerk in Messrs Coutta' banking-house, who proved that the prisoner never had an account with them in the name of Green. He also stated, that to the best of his recollection he never saw the prisoner before in his life. A solicitor, whose name did not transpire, said, he attended on behalf of Sir W. Worsley, from whom the prisoner had obtained a bill for 3001. by precisely similar means. As Sir W. Worsley would not be in town for a few days, he must beg to have the prisoner remanded. Mr. BINGHAM remanded the prisoner until to-morrow. WORSHIP-STREET. A young woman, :named Rachel Bradley, was charged before Mr. Arnold with annoying and threatening the life of Mr. John Lettice, a clerk in the Post. office. The complainant stated that the prisoner had for merly been in his service, bat left it about three years ago, and he had almost over since, at intervals, been subject to annoyance and threats from her. While re turning home on the preceding afternoon she waylaid him again with the object of extorting money from him, telling him that if he locked her up it should be the last opportunity he would have of so dealing with airy one, as it was her determination to serve him as Annette Meyers bad the soldier, and, as it was impossible to get rid of her by any other means, he was compelled to give her into custody, though he had no wish but to obtain protection. The prisoner burst into tears when called upon for her defence, and said that while in the complainant's ser vice, in attendance upon his who was ill, he had availed himself of that opportunity to seduce her, the result of which was the birth of a child which she had no means of supporting. She afterwards went to Ramsgate, where he again met her and induced her to come to town; but he had refused her the means of subsidence, and, as she did not wish to cause his wife unhappiness by calling at his house, she had dote rmined to importune him in the street in the way ho hail de scribed, to make him do something fur her. The complainant offered some observations strongly impeaching the young woman's conduct, and said that he had not only more than once relieved her, but had offered to send her home to her friends, by whom she would be properly taken care of. He, however, ad iniVed the substance of the girl's allegation against him, and The MAGISTRATE, after telling the young woman that if she had any grounds of complaint against her accuser she must adopt legal means for their adjustment, instead of resorting to such violent courses, said he did not feel disposed to punish her under the circumstances stated, if she would give an engagement to abstain from such annoyance in future; and the girl having made the required promise, though with much reluctance, was ul timately discharged. THAMES. T. and J. Jones, in the employ of Mr. Byass, wine and porter merchant, of Limehouse-hole, were brought up on remand, charged with causing the death of Susan Coslidge, a servant girl, by driving their master's horse and cart over her in Iligh-street, Whitechapel. A cGro ner's jury had already returned a verdict of manslaughter against Thomas Jones, driver of the cart. Two wit nesses, who saw the occurrence, proved that the prisoners were in the cart, which was driven at .a furious rate. Mr. Pelham, who appeared for the prisoners, said, there were no grounds for charging either of the pri soners with manslaughter. Both of them very deeply lamented the occurrence, which was purely accidental. Mr. BALLANTINE was of opinion that th e j ury on the inquest had come to a right conclusion, a n d t h at t h ere had been furious driving. He should therefore commit Thomas Jones for trial and discharge his brother. MURDER OF TWO CHILDREN. WILLENHALL, FRIDAY. —This afternoon an inquest was held beforo Mr. T. M. Phillips, coroner for this district of Staffordshire, upon the bodies of two children, named Edwin Jones, aged 18 months, and Sarah Spt ncer, aged 12 years, who were murdered late on Wednesday night by a woman named Maria Jones, mother of the first and aunt to the second unfortunte victim of her un doubted insanity. The facts of this horrible case may be told shortly. The woman charged with the murders is the wife of a working man named Enoch Jones, in apparently comfortable circumstances. She is a remai k ably interesting-looking young woman, and appears from littr conversation when in a right state of mind to have received an education superior to those moving in her sphere of life. About three months since her husband noticed a change in .her usual behaviour; she negltct, d her household affairs, and seemed absorbed in religious speculations. Her manner became so strange, that ulti mately it was deemed advisable to place her in the lunatic ward of the Wolverhampton Union Workhouse. She was, however, discharged on Wednesday last, at the instance of two of her relatives, named Maria Hadley and Martha Jones. She then appeared to be in a ra tional state. During her short stay at the union workhouse her child was at the house of a sister-in-law, enw on her re turn she took it home with her, being accompanied by the little girl, Sarah Spencer. About nine o'clock that night the neighbours were alarmed by the woman's cries from a window, d e claring that she had murderedth children ; and s h e th e n a tt e mpted to cut her own e throat, but she only su ccee d e d in slightinflicting.af waiwt:fewitsnd.The ie h e e h a e d s e n e e t ig ir h e b ly ou e r e s ve e r n e t d er f e r d e , m an it d o f h o e u d n y d , th a e hld inapt i but the appeared ebe r a ea d the pp t , e ' k parties i el l fromwas int only half The severedgirl 'is throatfron thew a s abody,s ycalunet, si lying threatening time to have struggled considerably.wea hands on her. Sh e was, we w A e t s entered the w ho e use ehe th u e ld laym h any ypveerrsoh h soon secured, and taken back to the workhouse at Wolverhampton about twelve at night. It was said that during her stay at the workhouse it was not deemed necessary to place her under particular restraint. Her husband is what in this country is termed a " whimsey" man, and necessarily at some p er i o d s works at the pit all night. The next morning the woman entered into conversa tion with Mr. Abbot, the governor of the workhouse, and in the presence of Colonel Hogg, deputy chief con stable of Saffordshire, narrated the manner in which she committed the crimes. She stated that she sent the little girl to bed with the child before eight o'clock, and then walked down the lane wtth a neighbour, named Mrs. Cave. She returned, bolted the door, and went to bed herself, but did not sleep. She then got up and searched for a razor with which to cut the child's throat, as she believed it would be damned owing to its having been christened by a Catholic priest. Not being able to find a razor, she got a black-handled knife, which she sham pened against a steel, went up stairs, then cut the throat of her niece, but did not cut the head quite off: She the-n declared she ought to suffer for spilling the poor !Jahn, blood. At times the unfortunate woman appeared calm and collected; and renroacited hE Togolf bitterly for the crime, but at oth:r 7 3 she was,exceedingly viol" 4 threatened to• kill those around her, and had she nut been prevented by the rarties wt.tzbing, would hare strangled herself. The inquest stands adjourned, bat mo person seems to entertain a doubt es to the prisoner's insanity. SHOCKING MURDER. The feelings of the community of Stockport and its neighbourhood were ver y muc h s h e e k e d , at an Early bout yesterday morning, by the perpetration of a cold-blooded and deliberate murder, an event that has not occurred iv this borough for very many years.. The perpetrator° this crime is James Kelly, between twenty-five and thirta years of age, who was employed at, Ur. Orrcll's, TraviS Brook Mill; and his victim is a young woman named Eliza Faulkner, of comely appears .nee, somewhat ov", twenty years of age, wh o al so wot k e d a t the same mat as a throstle spinner. The decease i and Kelly had soya! time kept company, b u t h er f r i en d s h av i n g lately her some circumstance s connec t e d w ith hi s lire previous to their acquaintance, s h e d e t erm i ne d t o break off the connexion with him, and had told him so several days previously. On Th urs d a y n i g ht t e went to her lodg ings at Mrs. Dyson' s , an d so li e i t;e 6 an interview. S he granted it, and stated to hi m that besides being a Chartist he had been in pri son .. H e replied bo bad been in prison for p oac hi ng , at :P res t on ; b u t she told tole him that all her friends hail threatened to turn their backs upun her if she continued to receive his addresses, and that she had firmly made up her mind never to marry him, or inn eeed. meet him again. O n Friday morning, at half past five o'clock, he went to the house again, and called her by i.arne, knowing that s he would be going at that hour to 'work. She kft home with her landlady's daughter, and he joined them at the entry end, where it is supposed lite - renewed his entreaties to be received again as a lover, and she refused; the other girl had before that left her. They crossed Nor ris-street together from the entry end, and were close to the window and door of a Mrs. Sleigh, near the turning into Hope-street, and not more than forty yards from the entry end, when she gave a lend scream, and Mrs , . Sleigh opening th e d oor at t h e t i me , saw a torrent of blood gushing from her throat, and the unfortunate girl the next moment pre c ipit a t e d h erse lf i nto M rs . Sleigh's arms. Mrs. Sleigh attempted to carry her across the street to her lodgings, but she felt down upon the flag s just outside the door, and died almost instantly. Several persons were wit ness t o t h e s h oc king (Tee d ' and the prisoner was at once apprehended by three meth who stated to Bowers, the officer, that the man the! had in custody was charged with almost cutting l l wife's head off. Bowers, addressing the prisoner, awed if be heard what the men said against him? The pr=' soner replied, "It is true." Het hen asked Bowers to sit down by the side of him, which he did, when the pri' sonar said, It - is not my wife, but my sweetheart. Its all her friends' fault, and they tried to persuade her sil they could not to keep company with me." lie was then locked up, and an officer placed in the cell to watch hilt He had a cut on his left hand at the time, which bleu profusely, and this was dressed. The murder was per' petrated with a long, sharp knife, which the prisoner im mediately after throw away, but it -was soon a fterwards, picked up in the stre e t, an d i s now in the possession 01 Policeman Walters. _ • . The deceased had neither father nor mother, but she had two 'sisters. She is represented as a girl of good character, quiet disposition, and steady tmbi ts. The inquest was held on the body, before Mr. Rutt er ' coroner, at the Crown public-house, Heaton-lane, at rout' o'clock on Friday afternoon. The above statement w as f u lly corro b ora t e d by se•v witnesses. The Coroner having briefly summed up, tu' jury returned a v e rdi c t o f " murder" ugs in6t James Kelly, who was then conuniated to Kirkdale on the charge.—Manchester Guardian- GUILDHALL. Nicholas Locke, in the service of Mr. Edward Boyle, of 48, Farringdon-street, at the corner of Holborn-hill, was placed at the bar, charged with having robbed his employers to a considerable extent. Mr. Boyle said, that being convinced that he was robbed by some one he began to watch, and the previous evening saw the prisoner comp out of the private door of his (witness's) house with a large bundle under his arm. lie was immediately given into custody, and was taken back to the house, when the bundle was found to contain goods to the amount of 5/. 14s. He afterwards, in com pany with the constable, went to the prisoner's lodgings at Spring-row, Wandsworth, and there found some other goods, consisting of flannels, stockings, and handker chiefs, which had teen missed ; and he likewise dis covered that he was a married man with a family, which be was not aware of before, as the prisoner slept on the premises. Sir P. LAURIE asked in what capacky he was em ployed? Mr. Boyle said, as shopman. fie bad received a good character of him, from a tradesman in Holborn, and as he appeared to be anxious to get on he at once gave him the situation, but for the future ho should be more cautious. Sir P. LAURIE asked what amount of property Mr. Boyle thought he had lost? Mr. Boyle though he had been robbed to the amount of between 701. and 801. Sir P. LAURIE asked what was found on the prisoner besides the parcel alluded to? Mr. Boyle replied, that some cards belonging to several "sweeps" held at public houses were found in his possession, and from what the wife had told him respecting the time at which he gave her money, he had no doubt that the produce of the rob beries had been expended in such lotteries. Sir P. LAURIE said he did not know anything more injurious to the interests of society than those sweep stakes, which had now become general throughout the country, and which held out inducements to the foolish, not only to embark their money in a speculation where the odds were so much against them, but to incite them Ito go still further, and make away with their employers' property, in the hope that they might at one time or an other be the " lucky individual;" and thus they went on, step by step, until they were placed in the position of the prisoner, a position which placed his family in a pre sarioue,eituation, and by which ho had lost his character. The prisoner was remanded. BOW-STREET. William Frazer, a well-dressed, respectable looking man, about 50 years of age, was brought up for final ex amination on several charges of swindling tradesmen in the metropolis. The prisoner declined giving his address. The first case heard was the following :—Mr. A. Morgan, a hosier, in Middle-row, Holborn, stated on Friday evening week, about seven o'clock, the prisoner came to his shop and ordered a quantity of goods, in cluding shirts, handkerchiefs, and gloves, to the amount of 31. 7s. 6d., saying that they were for his brother, who was going out of town. He added that he should also want some shirts himself, but would call again respects in them. Witness asked his address, when he gave hire a card b ear i ng t h e name of Henry Mooreton, George Tavern and Chop-house, Brook-street, Holborn, giving witness to understand that he was the landlord, and directing that the goods should be sent immediately. Henry Young, shopman to Mr. Morgan, stated that on the evening in question his master gave him a parcel, with a bill for 31. 7s. 61, directing him to take it to the George Tavern, and telling him to wait for the money. On arriving at the tavern he found the prisoner stand ing by the side of the bar, without a hat and reading the paper. He - 4peared to be the landlord of the house. He asked witness if ho had brought some goods from Mr. Morgans's, and on receiving an answer in the affirmative, he asked witness into the parlour and offered him a glass of stout. Witness de clined the stout, and asked the prisoner how he found RAIL WA Y SHARE .VIARKETS. LIVERPOOL, Sin-x. 16. Swot EXCITANGH.—The share market i s ra th e r inaPr° ,ved to-day, and we note m ore b uy i ng orders than for the ,8 ".„ four days. The dem an d i s good for M i dland Stock, Lark ) : and North-Western, and Dover Half shares. The sal" n a IL —Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire Junction , t Shares, 9 5 4 i dis.—Caledonian, Preference, 1,4 dis.—Gre s Western, Quarters,s4 dis.—L ancas hi re and Yorkshire 08,t Manchester and Leeds), Fifth s , 44 c. d i s.—Ditto, 321. StAr-i (late Extension). 11 1 4 c. dis.—Ditt o , Fif t h s (late " Riding Union), 53 c. dis.—London aid North. West e 7 1064 c.—llitto, New Quarters, 1.44 dis.—MgmchesOci Sheffield, and Lincolnshire, 101. Preference, 97 c.—Ki dli j r . Stock, 824—Ditt o , N ew Halves, lOLA dis.—No rt Western, EA dis.— South-Eastern and DoTer, No. 4, Th ird* 64 —York, Newcastle, and Berwick G. N. E. Purch&s,oN 14 c. dis. BIRMINGHAM, San: 16. ard STOCK EXCIIANGE.—There was littl e d o i ng to-day , prices had still a tendency downwards. The sales are d London and So u th-W es t ern , 36 — L ondon, Br i g ht o n, sod South Coast, 26. NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE, Sra'T. 16. STOCK EXCHANGE.—Th e ,sales are—North British, „'.," cum div.—Ditte, Third s , 2 3 ,4 dis.—Ditto, Quarters, 4/. 63 . 9° . GLASGOW, SErr. 15.; STOCK EXCHANGE.—Th e sa l es are—Caledonian, Prefeo rence, 425. 6d.—Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ayr, Halv es ' No. 1, 51. 85.—Glaegow an d G r een oc k, H a l ves , 7... Great Northern, 5/. 19s.—North British, Thirds, 54. ROYAL MARINES FOR IRELAND. ---..WOOLWICIft SUNDAY, SEPT. 17.—An express messenger arrived at the Royal Marine Barracks at a quarter before four o'clock, A.M., to-day, for the following detachment of the Woolwich division, to be got ready with the greatest dispatch:—Captain B. Varlo, Lieutenant Roberts and Lieutenant Kennedy, 6 sergeants, 6 corporals, 3 drum mers, and 162 privates. The detachment fell in, in full marching order, at a quarter-past four o'clock, ready' to move; when a subsequent order arrived that they were to remain in readiness to proceed to Ireland at a mo ment's notice. The messenger brought an order that they were to embark in the Pigmy, one of the late Pew broke station mail packets, on her arrival, which wee bout ly expt cted at Woolwich. The messenger, on leav ing. Woolwich, proceeded to Portsmouth, with an express order for a similar number o f R o y a l M ar i nes frofrom tba division. The deta c h men t o f th e W oo l w i c h di v ision re mained under arms at their barracks at half•past tilt° o'clock, P.M., as the Pigmy had not arrived at that hour: Thirty convicts arc kept in readiness to put a supply 0 ! coals on board the m omen t s h e arrives, and the goe boats of the boat brigate are kept in readiness W manned from the cr e w o f the Fisgard to em b a r k t he detachment. FATAL ACCIDENT.-011 Friday morning, at hal , s ii past eight o'clock, j us t a f ter t h e arr i val at 13rightoni.w f the first express t ra i n f rom Portsm-uth, a lan3entab i° accident, but characteristic of the indifference to claner. acquired by persons em pl oye d en railways, cccurred.° the terminus. A man, named Groves, a conch-trimmer, %% eaving a shed on th e Shoreham branch for the par pose of getting hi s b rea kf ast, and was putting on bull jacket when th e eng i ne, number 80, after leaving I'll Portsmouth trai n , commenced running back and knoc k e d him down, r an over and crushed him in a dreadful manner. One leg was taken off, another greatly maw d, and other injuries were inflicted about the chest and head. He was immediately placed in a fly , find sent to the hospital, but died on the way. FACTION FIGHT ON BOARD A SUlP.—YeStera* an Irish reaper, who had embarked on board the Bria n Boru, a Drogheda vessel, with a number of his country' men, came into the police -court with a police-, fficer to prefer a charg e o f assau l t aga i nst one of the sa ilors In longing to the ship, a l so an I r i s h man . The officer sal d he saw the prisoner s rike the complainant on the bead with a hand s pik e . .A not h er sa il or b e l ong i ng to Cie 61 ; i 1 deposed t o h ear i ng th e passengers, w h o h e said num ber tour or five hund re d, an d were a ll arme d w ith atici ,. T express themselves to the effect that th e y wou ld attac k the crew, and immediately after war d s comp l a i n ant and others set upon the prisoner, who w as compe lled to we the handspike in self-defence. The case was distnissedl" .. Liverpool Chronicle. Yesterday (Thursday) the Danish Prince, Frede rick of Hesse, nephew of his late Majesty Christian VIII., left Hull, per City of Aberdeen, for CoFeullige n ' —Hull Packet. I - ADVERTISEMENT...I-THE EARL OF ALDBOAOUGLI AND HOLLOWAY'S PILLS.—An astounding CUTS by t hi s rairaelileZ medicine, arter every other mean s h a d f a il e d . See extract fr4lll'i, Lordship's letter, dated • ~I beg to acquaint Villa Messina, Leghorn, Feb. 21, 0 u that A.'" • . y Professor Holloway—Sir your pills 1 154 " 5 effected a cure of a disorder in my liver and stomach all the mo st eminent of the faculty, at home and a ll ever th e con tinent, had i r. been able to effect; nay, not ever the waters of Carlsbad or esl i rienbad. (Signed) " ALDEOBOUGIi." Th ese wonderful pills vrl, cure any disease of the liver o r st emac h.—Sold (also Hollows)1 Ointnpant) at Professor Holloway's Establishment, 244, Strand, ha by %11 medicine vendors throughout the civilised weed. On the Bth inst., at Kingsbridge, Devon, the lady of John J. Lloyd, Esq., of Lloydsborough, of a son. On the 13th inst., at Hill-street, Berkeley square, the wife of Dr. C. F. Brown, of a son, stillborn. On the 13th inst., at Long Eaton, the wife of the Rev. IV'. J. Upton, of a son. On the 13th inst., at Limpsfield, Surrey, the wife of Clayton, Esq., of a daughter. On the 14th inst., at Upper Eceleston-place, the lad,f of R. E. Turner, Esq., of a daughter. On the 15th inst., in Berkeley -square, Mrs. H. St. Job s Illildmay, of a daughter. MA ARIEL. On the 12th inst., at Glanmire Church, near Cork, 'Ail'F. F. C. Herbert, R N , to B ess i e Newenham, youngest (W i g"' ter of the late Captain H. Stuart, 69th Regiment. On the 13th in s t., a t H arford, Devon, William Mathias' Esq., Major 62d R eg i ment, to Mary, youngest daughter of H. ravers, Esq., Stowford-house, Devonshire. On the 14th inA., at St. Mary's, Bryanston-square , Henry Letheby, of the London Hospital, to Miss Elizabet. Carter, of York-place, Portman-square. On the 14th inst., at Brighton, th e R ev . R o b er t Seynl b ut : Nash, 1 1 1,A , curate of Stone, Worcest ers hi re , to EliZeb,4 o f second daughte r o f the Right Hon.reel, Yates Baginton h a ll, W arw ickshire. DIED. At Belgarvie-house, Fifeshire, on the 13th ult., D. D/ cl4 Esq., surgeon to the 45th Regiment. I,#Ar On the 3d i ns t., a t Cl eve d on , Elizabeth, sixth dang.w— the late Ad m i ra l Y oung , of Barton-end-house, Bors l o' Gloucestershire. On the 12th i ns t., age d 68, F rances, w id ow o f th e hi- * e Bayford, of Doctors'-commons. v . of On the I. sth inst., at Clapham, Joseph Ad a ms, AA'' Swanage, Dorset. aged 77. On the 13th inst., T. Griffith, Eiq., of Southampton. On the 14th inst., at Dorset-square, Regent's-park, J r % R. Hampson, aged 15, grandson of.the late C. Hampsoot of Nonsuch-house, Castle Pollard, Westmeath, Ireland. ,„ Ou the 14th inst., aged 79. Elizabeth, re li c t of the 01 ,`" Rev. J. Baker, of Bromley, Kent. On the 14th inst., at Drighton, Miss Anna Maria Fr field, third daughter of J. W. Freshfield, Esq., of Moor-P7 Bletchworth, Surrey. of On the 14th inst., at Brighton, J. C. llewlitt, Ems'' Chancery-lane. to ll ' On the 15th inst., aged 80, S. Ne w to n , E sq ., of Cro park, Cambridgeshire. London: Printed and Published by MIITEDO YOUN G No. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sun Office, Ft • , Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy. i n the 001 1 0 1 Aliddlonz, Memlay, September 18, 1848. Jlgkr ? ' ° , I 3 II A l tank of I Thut . a next. the of a Di r. Courts api ( %•A Fere 1.410012 Frern T 6,6% 6 %,7,7% ,rvmntb a 1 °34,11, 'Ttli TR Ibtkem. 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