The Sun. — London, England, 1835-06-24 00:00:00

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PRICES OF CANALS, DOCK STOCKS, ASSURANCE COMPANIES, &c.&c. &c. LONDON, TUESDAY, JUNE 23. Numbor Dividend Pere of per CANALS. per Shares. • Annum. Paid. Stuttt. , 1.760 (4 per cent. Ashton and Oldham....Arerage 97i. 18s. et. 157 1,482 14. Ashby de-le-Zouck .. ...... Average II:4. th. 65 1,261 BasingstoLe .. lOOl. sh. 51 1.005 5/. Brecknocl: :- rid A bergavenny IT) . sh. P 5 4,0004.. h. 12/. 103. Birmingham, 4 , hare 171, 10s. 241 4,0. sr Ditto and Liverpool Jurict....ll.o/. sh. all p.l 6.10 Bridgewater and Taunton .....1001. sb. all ',A GS 4'o :1. Chchner and 131a2kwater .. lOO/. sh. 1(12 100 42/. Coventry 4,511 ...... ... r;roydori <,H(3:1 5 31. las. Dudley ..... 6.J0 . 61. I)erbv 1 004 sh. 120 3,5151 Ellesinere and Chester Aver age 13:3/. sh. S 3 '231 4.11. stews sh 1 0 1. sh. 51.. 1,197. OX! 'Forth and Clyde Average 400/. lf.s. sh. 6013 11,10 i 121, Grand Junction lOl. sh. In; 2,°491 Grand Union 11'01. sh. 23 1,521 . Grand Surrey l' Cl. sh. 120,0001. 11. per cent. Ditto Optional) Loan lOOl. 73 3,0)6 Grand IVestern 600 131. 12s. Pd. Glarn,rgandrire, Average cost 172 1 . 13s. Id. 230 1,040 Gloucester and Berkley 101. sh. IS 719 - ie, Grantham ..... 6,214 1/. 105. Huddersfr. Id Average 57/. Gs. 6:1 sh. 33 100. • - K-nsingt. , :r lO3 sit. all pd. 10 15,128 IL Kennet and Avon, Average 29/.65. 101. sh. 20 , 2, - 3971 2.1. Leeds and Liverpool 4 10..1.'5h. 525 515 12/. Leicester l4Ol. oh. 149 957 41. Leicester mid Northamp'on...Aver /31. !Os. FO ::10 5/. per cent. Liskeard and 1. ooe Unto. , 251. sh. all pd 25 73 1141. Loughborough Average 1121. 175. eh. 1,600 2,1..9 11. M.'nmouthslire 1001. sh. ISO s3O 111. Melton ltlowbray 1001 sh. 19.1 500 2 - 1. Mersey and Irwell ... 101 1 /. sh. 56; 3,00 u Macclesfield 1.. 0 0/. sh. all pd. 52 217 15!. Neat h. . - 1001. sh. 100 1,780 3 2 1. CA,ford . 100/. sh. 015 522 V. Oa kh am 1301. sh. :58 2,400 41. Peak Forest Average about 701. sh. 104 :1,418 14s. Regent's (or London) Aver. 33/. 16s. ed. sh. 15 5,"149 W. per cent. Rochdale Average 551. sh. 123 500 FL Shropshire 1251. sh. 140 809 101. Somerset Coal 1504 sh. 163 45,0001. 64 percent. Ditto Lock - Fund Stock l2l. 10s. sh. 12, 700 NIL Stafford and Worcester 14.1. sh. 690 noo 11/. Shrewsbury l'c/ sh. 242'0 300 61. Stourbridge . 3,047 11. Ins. Stratford-on-Av. n ...Avcrage 7U 9s. Pd. sh. nsi 533 1!/. Swansea lOW. sh. 205 3,7. , : 1/. Severn and Wye and Railway ...Av XI. sh. 19 2,600 451,. 021. 10s. Trent and Mersey, 4 share 1 001. sh. • 625 8,149 Thames and Medway...Aver. 191. Is. Sd. sh. 2 I,COO sh' 1 Warwick and Birmingham 1001. sh. 290 1,04X0 fsh. . 11S1 1 26. Warwick and Napton lOOl. sh. 218 6,000 3/.los Worcester and Birminglum...A v. 781. 8.. sh 871 2...000 Is 'Wilts and Berl,s , .. Average 161. 17s. Bd. sh. 6 800 61, Wyrloy and Essington 1251. sh 75 1 ..:6 ....... Wisbeach .. lO5l. sh. 45 1.10, - ) I/ Wry and Arun llO/. sh. 22j DOCKS. 2 . 609 8 ' } c. Commercial 3 lOOl. Eh. (I -1,06545 h p. 499,067:1. 3;238,3101. V.I. ss. p. ct. London Stock 57 Ditto Bonds lO3 1,350,0001. 51. per ct. West India `2.10 i 3/. (is. 4d. Bristol Average 14;1. I: , s. sh. 61,334/. 51. per cent. Ditto Notes, various amounts llO 1.352,752 3p r ecnt. St. Kztharine Stock C 9 500,00.14# per cent. Ditto Bonds lOll 200,000 4 per cent. Ditto Bonds for 10 yea ct lO4 Shoreham Harbour 2571 BRIDGES. -- - - 1,6(70 11. Hammersmith 5Ol. sh. 23 7,-23 t Southwark, Old Av. 631 s. 13d. O. 2} 1,700 IL 15s. Ditto, New, of 7-,i per cent. 5O/. sh. 15 5,000 5,000 11. 2s. Ditto, Old Annuities of 8/, ... ..... 60/. pd 251 5,000 19s. 3d. Ditto, New Ditto of 71 401 . pd 223 I'o,ooo/. 51. per cent. ViVo Bonds llB 6,000 1/, Vauxhall Average 701. 10s. 3d. sh. 22 ASSURANCE COMPANIES. 2,000 3/ 10s Albion 500/. sh. 501. pd 76} 50,000 15 nds.nt./ Alliance, British & Foreign 1001. sh. 101. pd 11/ 50,000 6 per cent. Ditto, Marine ' 1001. sit Si. pd 24,000 103. perch. Atlas 1,..:00 }sh. 41. Birmingham Fire 2501. sh. 55/. pd 105 20,000 41. per cent. Britsh Fire 250/ sh. 50/. pd 40 12,000 el. per cent. British Commercial 50/. sh, 5/. pd 6 5,000 51. per cent. Clerical, Medical, &c. Life...lool. sh. 21 los pd 3 4,000 2/ lOs County 100/. sh. 101. pd 42 6,000 se. Eagle 501. sh. Si. pd 51 ‘ , A ,, r 5 per cent./ Econom i c Lif e lOOO l. sh. 2,50/. pd 315 ''''" /and 30/ bs. 2,271 51/. percent. European Life "'W. sh. all pd 22 50,000 2s. Ditto, New 'ol. sh. 21. pd la 1,000,0001. 71. per ct. Globe Stock 156 20,000 11. Guardian 1004 sh. 204 pd 331 „,,,., c Fire 5 p et."l ~„„,, 4 °."'''' 1 Life Bpc t. j --","" 50/. eh. Si. pd 6 2,400 U. 7a. 6d. Imperial Fire 5001 sh. 501. pd 117 7,500 9s. Imperial Life 'OO/. sh. 10/. pd t i Si. per cent. Indemnity Marine 1101. sh. Si. pd 12' 2,020 3/. Ke:-it Fire 50/. sh. all pd 85 10,''00 16s. Low Life 1001. sh. 101, pd 26 3,900 11. London, Fire 25/, sh. la 10s, pi 231 31 001 11. Londco, Ship 251. eh. 121. 10s. pd 231 30,0 to U. per cent. Palladium Lie 50/. sh. 2/. pd 2/5s 25 1 1,001 Is. 6d. Proteit,,r Fire 00/. sh. 2/. pd I/ 103 2,500 I/. Prq Orient Life ll'o/. sh. 10/. pd Eq. 1 00.000 58 - Rock Life.. 2O/. sh. 21. pd 5/ Ifs. 39 8.,2.28/. 51. percent . R oya l Exch ange Stock... 1861 Sun. 'lo 50,000 4 per ctyt. • united Kingdom Life 2l. pd 212 s tki , JOINT STOCK BANKS 5,000 10,018 10 i.e.... Augtrala•i . 401. sh. 26/. pd 32 10,000 10 Ba nk of Birmingham s'l. sh. 101. pd 121 pri i cent. 18,000 .2 r ir cent. Bir mingham Bank 504 sh. 51. pd 12 3,000 ..„ f r cent. I,ondon and Westminster...lool s h . 15/. pa 'Zs' ) 4 0 60 , Lanca5ter....41121....... ..... ....ICU sh. 2 0 1. pd 30 2 0,000 7 pp i , - , cent. Li verpoo l 1001. sh. 10/ , i d 15 10,000 r cent . Provincial Bank of 1 reland 1 00/. sh. 25 /. ixl 491 10,000 id .... National Provincial Eng. lO O/. sh. 25 /. pd 23 1 ''" 0 •000 cent. Gloucestershire 50/ . sh. 5/. pd II Hampshire 501. sh. 5/. pd Ba 9 .. 2..500 Li i AS LIGHT AND COKE COMPANIES. 5,000 N . pn , Bath 2Ol. sh. lel. pd 26 mo o rw,p er cent. British 4 O/. sh. 16 /. pd 23 Laud BO nt l Ditto Provincial 20/. sh. 19/. pd 24 5/ I 4 844 250 21 Birmingham 5O/. sh. 100 lei risibiut 2O . sh. :01 750 k...,... Brigliton %'' 2,471 b i „ ei Ditty , New 2Ol. sh. 18 1 . pd 12 40t;ir :it. Brigh ton G eneral 20/. sh. all pd 19 1.000 lot. ~ , , , Cont inental Cont inenta l i pn sollda t ed lO9/. 5111, pd 76 London 1,000 6 L • Ditto, New 1004 sh. 60/. Ixl 115 4.000 4 1 . Equitable ,5/. pd 31 6,000 6/. per cent. East London 5!. sh. 4/. pd 41 110,000 51. per cent. Imperial _ _ _ 50/. sh. 43 ... . . - SOO 51 . per cent. Isle r.f Thanet 251. sh. 20/. pd ill 2.350 64 per cent. Independent 3O/. sh. all pd 50 9,000 . 4/. per cent. Phoenix 51 1 /. sh. 391. pd 24 1,000 41. per cent. Itateliff 1001. sh. COL. pd 4,000 South Metropolitan s' /. sh. 13/. pd 141 kW/ 5/. per cent. United General 5Ol. sh. 44/, pd 391 2-10 5/. per cent. Warwick ' snl. sh. 50 400 11 5s Wakefield 32,000 3 1 - 'W es tminster Chartered 5O/ ~...1 . 311. 41j 6,000 12s, Ditto, New 5Ol. sh. RI/. pd Fi. 800 - WATER WORKS. , 4,800 4,433 5/. East London lOOl. sh. 1:114 4,500 2/ lOs tir. , nd Junction ....Average 41/ 13s. 4d. sh. 553 2,000 2!. Kent 100/. sh. 4f:a47 3 , 8 10!. Liverpool Bootle 0 20/. s h. 300 1,500 21108 New River London Bridge Water Annuities t,9 0,486 11. Manchester and Salford .lOOl. sh. 47 1,000 4 per cent. South London 100/. sh. 85 8;100 31. West Middlesex ....Aversge (31. 12s. ltd. sh. 7 9 4 3 00 11 14s York Building Co. Lessee Prop 100/ sh. 34 IRON RAILWAYS. 350 Cheltenham 1001. sh. 78 2,000 Clarence ......................... 100/. :h 100/. pd 4 . 7 . 2.500 19s. Forest of Dean 501..1x1 27 Grand Junction ..................1001. sh. 301. pi 2,000 Hartlepool .................. '. ..... 10i'l. oh. 1001. pd 80 2,100 Leeds and Selby .....•••• lOO sh. ion 1,500 Leicester and Swanning ton —.s'l. st a ll i .,, 1 51 *lOO 11 per cent. Liverpool and Manchester-30 01 .'8 . 11:1001. pd 193 Ditto Quarter Shares 's l. isd , tft 20,000 25,000 ... ...... London and Birmingham ...1001. sh. 351. pd 46 . 2,500 ..... —.. Preston and Wigan 2O/. pd 2 800 MINES. 8,000 Albion Copper ....................... .5/. sh. 2 /. pd 4,000 Allen 1 id. sh 10/ lils pd I", 000 ... ...... Ar.glo Mexican, iss. 51. pm.... 1001. sh, all 141 Ditto Subscription .......................:2.51. pd 2,000 801. , n0s 1(1 .00 0 31. s. Brazilian I mp iss.. .5/..pm ......35/. sh. 201 pd 35 6,0 0 Ditto St. John Del Rey......... 20/. sh. 7il. pd 61 , . Cata Branca.— ...............................11. pd Candonga 5/. pd Bolivar Copper Company. ...... 2il. eh. 2U pd Ditto Scrip..... l/. IA - 6,600 British Copper .... ................. : - .1 sh. 3(1. pd ta,sf9 Columbian, iss. 51. pm. ...... 551 sh. 514/. pd NI 2,st:o 1/. English 1 9 1 Its. pd 2 g : 700 5 5 ...... . . . 1 NfirenxeicraalnAclionrcinAnAyssociation...2o/. sh. In. pd 10t . /. sh 49t1. pd 2,0011 11,500 Polberon Consols 14 d . sh. St. p Real del Monte, Unregistered .. ................• 20 Ditto Loan Notes l5O/. pd 30,000 United Mexican, iss. 2pm ....40/. sh. all pd 5 Ditto Subscription 2/. pd Ditto New Scrip 5,00 \Vest Cork 'O/. sh. .25/. pd LITERARY INSTITUTIONS. 1,000 1., ndon, with Bronze Ticket ......... 7.57,5. sh. 21 1,500 London University i 0 0 King's College 1001. pd 4-11 10,000 MISCELLANEOUS. 10,4"0 lag. Australian Ar,ricultural....lol/. sh. 2' 1. ph ~ I ,oqo I/. A uc ti on M ar t 50/. th. 0,0.41 Brit sh Ann,rican Land Company ......q. pd 54 10,000 el per cent. Canada company . 10'1. sh. 201 pd 200,000 51. per cent. Upper Canada Loan City Bonds, 4 per cent lO2 15,000 I/. percent. General Steam Navigation ...I :' , I. sh. 131. P 1 ISt I; 1. per cent. Hudson's Bay Stock 260 2,000 1/. Londen Com. Sale Rooms Av. 75/. sh. IS 2,754 41. per cent. IlererSionary Interest 50c...100/ sh. 101 pd 134 2,633 41. per cent. Oat° New ise! sh. 4:1 pd 7t 4,0(0 ... ...... 'Thames Tonne! LO/. sh. all pri 8 10,000 V an Di :men ' s Land 100/. sh. 161. pd ii LIST OF 5C07'77811 COMPANIES' PRICES, JUNE 1, 1835. VBANKS. 00,000/. P/ p. et. Bank of Scotland 531. os ed. sh. all pd 2024 p e. 2,000,000/. 51 p. ct. Royal of Scotland 100/. eh. all pd I/0k 500,0001. Is p. rt. British Linen Company 100/. sh. :.11 pd 940/. 3,000,m0/. 61. p. et. Cormnercial 5OOl sh. 100/. pd 1:0/. 5 ,000,0001. 5 p. ct. National lOOl. sh. 101. pd 141 10s 2,00',0001. 24/. p. et. ( ..41asgow Union 2501. sh. 50/ pd 60/. 4,000,0014 tr.) p. et, Western of Scotland 2001. sh 30/. pd 33/. INSURANCE COMPANIES 2.50,n005h. sp. et. Scottish Union 2O/. sh. 1/. pd 195 , ';,500 sp. ct. Hercules 100/. sh. 101.1 . d 11/. 100 ,000 sp. ct. Insurance Co. of Scotland....lol. di. all pd .1 0s 50,000. 6p. ct. North British 2001. sh. 10/. pd 15/. 1,000 sp. et. Caledonian Fire 1001. sli. 101. Pd 131. , 5,000 ,6 p. et. Edinburgh life 1001. sh. 10/. pd 14/. 1 00, 4v .A 4 p. ct. West of Scotland. . 91. MISCELLANEOUS. Edin. and Was. Un. Cana1...501. sh. all pd 6/10s I)itto Allocated 9•'/. ,h. all pd' 60/. 5 000 . 5 per cent. Edinb. Joint Stock Water....‘.151. sh. all pd 33/. Carron Iron Company 2501. sh. all pd 450/. 2,00141 i. 15 per cent. Shotts Iron Foundcry .501. sh. aq. pd 181. 10,000 3 per cent. Edinburgh & Leith Glass -.20/. sh. 16/. ptl fl. 4,r,00 10 per cent. Edinburgh Coal Gas 25/. sh. all pd 65/. 4,450 10 per cent. Glasgow Gas 730 6 per cent. Leith Coal Gas 2O/. sh. all pd 33/. 1 ,200 5 per cent. Edinburgh and Dalkeith Pailway...sol. sh. 75/. 3,000 _ 10s. per sh. EquitAle Loan Company 251. sh. 2!. pd 101. 4,810 COURSE OF EXCH: Amsterdam C.F. 13 6!4 Ditto, at sight Rotterdam '" U l2 -6'i Antwerp l2 5'4, -.Mamlaurg MAL 13 14 Alton, • 13 14 Path, 3 days' sight 25 65 DData ... .. ... .. .............. 2 Us 25 05 Rordeaux .. ........ P - ankfort on Maine, Ex. M 153 reter,,h , iigh, ruble ...... 3 Us lO 1 3crItii Vienna ' effective ti '' M 10 6 Triei.t.. ditto lO '7 Madrid 37 Cadiz '37 13 aboa Ilarc..lona grviii, 'l7 Gitraltir , 11.• •. 43. NGE, YESTERDAY. Leghorn Genoa 17;4 . 25 r 5 Venice 47; .„ Naples 4os i: Palermo per oz. 12; Li,bon s7k Oporto Rio Janeiro 37 Balila .26% Buenos Ayres Dublin, 21 days' eight Cork PRICE OF EULI.ION, PER OZ Portugal coin £0 0 0 Forc.gn Gold, in bars 3 17 9 New Mubloons New Dcllars Silver, bars, standard 0 0 11,000 I MPE.IIIAL PARLIAMENT. bottle consumption, stud that measures should be taken to prevent the introduction of Foreign coffee.-- - ( Hear, bear.) in order to carry that into effect; it would be riCeestary, that all coffee Introilitteq iiitO this eotintiygliotild be itEConipLtied with evidence of its growth at.the place from whence it pur ported to come.—(Hear.) As to the time at which the alteration was to take effect, that must depend upon the time required to produce the necessary evidence ; for unless coffee wits accompanied with that certificate, it could not be allowed to be received. As to the other question, the proper time to discuss that would be when he brought in the Bill for the equalization of duties ; but the Hon. Member might rest assured that it was his earnest desire, in proposing an equa lization of duties, to state it in a manner to prevent any abuse of privileges. Capt. BERKELEY gave notice, that on the 19th clause of the Municipal Reform Bill coming under the consideration of the House; lie should move that no person in holy orders, licensed dissenting minister, or persons holding office under the Crown, should be members of the town council. IRISH TITHES. IlOUSP: OP foRDS,JuNk_23. Lord DENMAN that his seat on the Woolsaet at 5 o'cloely. Lord ELLENBOROUGH said he was instrliblT'..di In the hbsence of a Noble Duke (WellinAtciii), to give notice that to-mor row t h e Noble MI6 Would move a resolution, ac knowleking tht cat services of William Courtney, Esq., now tilt Earl of Devon, while he was Clerk-Assistant of that House, unless the motion was made by the Noble Viscount at the head of the Government.. Several private Bills were brought up from the Commons. Lord BROUGHAM said, in consequence of the absence of many Noble Lords, he begged to postpone his motion for re suming the adjourned discussion upon the resolutions respect.. ing Education, till to-morrow. The Earl of MELVILLE presented several petitions, praying for a further endowment of the Scottish Church. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from the Relief Congregation of Falkirk, against any further grant. The pe titioners stated there were now plenty of unlet sittings in the Establishment. Lord DUNCANNON bad made enquiries respecting the appointment of one of the Education Commissioners in Ire land, but had not been able .to ascertain anything upon the matter. He would have some correspondence upon the sub ject in Ireland, and would give an answer on Monday next. The Annual Indemnity Bill was read a second time, the other Bills on the table were forwarded a stage, and the House adjourned till to-morrow. Mr. SHAW wished to know of the Noble Lord opposite (Morpeth), whether it was his intention to bring in the Bill of which he had given notice, relative to the Irish tithes, without first going into a Committee? Lord MORPETH said it was his intention to bring in the Bill without adopting that mode of proceeding. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Java 23. The SPEAKER took the chair at a quarter before 4 o'clock, but as there was a ballot for a committee to try the merits of the second petition of the return of Mr. O'Dwyer for Drog heda, the Gallery was not opened till twenty minutes after four. While strangers were excluded, Colonel P. Thomson, the newly elected Member for Hull, was introduced by Mr. Pryme and Dr. Bowring. lie took the oaths and his seat amidst loud cheers. On the motion of Sir W. FOLKES, the Wells (Norfolk) Harbour Bill was read a third time. CATHOLIC VOTERS' OATHS. __ - Mr. S. CR A WFO RD had been charged to present a pe tition, signed by 281 of the electors of the town of Belfast, upon the subject of the present state of the law regarding the oath taken by Catholic voters at the election of members of that House, and praying that the House would pronounce the oath no longer an essential preliminary to the exer cise of the elective franchise. As he had a notice on the Minutes of that House to call their attention to the subject, and as he would have, therefore, an opportunity of so doing, ho would content himself by simply presenting the petition. ABOLITION OF TITHES. Mr. ZIAHER rose to present several petitions from parishes in the county of Wexford, praying for the total abolition of tithes. One of them (that Trom- the Barony of Firth,) was signed by 1,960 of the inhabitants. He had further to call the consideration of the House to another petition, which was of a more immediate nature, and demanded a more imme diate attention, if not interference. The petitioners whose petitions be had just laid on the table, might wait, and would do so, in the full confidence that a measure would be brought forward of such a nature as would afford full relief; but the pe tition which he hold in his hand was more immediately pressing. The petitioners could not wait, and they therefore prayed the immediate interference of the House. They prayed the interposition of the House in the case of cer tain law-suits, instituted in the Court of Exchequer in Ireland, on the part of Dr. Ebrington, by the Diocesan Committee of Ferns. He thought that, after what had been stated a few evenings since by the Hon. Member for Brighton ( Captain Pechell), in alluding to the case of the Rev. Mr. Cook Kemp, the House would easily commiserate the defendants in such proceedings, reduced, as they were, by the pressure of the times, and the heavy amount of tithes. The petitioners, it appeared, had waited upon Dr. Ebrington upon the subject of these proceedings, and he informed them that he had handed over all his power and jurisdiction to the Diocesan Committee. In this stage of the proceedings he could not even allow his humanity to interfere. The costs of these suits amounted to at least 301. to each of these miserable farmers ; but without troubling the House further, he would refer it to the contents of the petition, which was the best advocate of their cause. _ _ --- Captain PECHELL supported the petition, and said he would have a similar one to present from Sussex. DROGHEDA COMMITTEE. The members of the Drogheda Election Committee were sworn in. The names were those of Sir Charles Knightley, Sir R. H, Inglis, the Right Hon. H. Goulburn, Mr. Bolling, Mr. Yorke, Mr. T. Wood, Mr. Joseph Neeld, Viscount Grim stone, Mr. Westenra, Mr. Wm. Gordon, and Mr. Twiss. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Mr. WAKLE Y rose to propose a motion of which he had given notice—" That the ballot for entering the names of Members having public petitions to present, do take place 20 minutes before the time appointed for Mr. Speaker taking the chair." The Hon. Member hoped that, as the object of this mo tion was to secure the dispatch of the business of the House, it would be decided immediately, because the present system was pregnant with very serious inconvenience to every Member of the House. At present Members had to come down to the House at 12 o'clock, and many of them had miles to return again ; but if the Ballot was taken 20 minutes before the House meeting, this necessity would be done away with. If, therefore, there was no opposition to his motion, he should wish to have it decided at once. Mr. BUCKINGHAM said that he had given notice of an amendment upon this motion, which ho acknowledged was an improvement upon the present system, and yet likely to be productive of great inconvenience, because the nearer they ap proached to the time of the House meeting, the greater difficulty there would be in arranging the business. Sir G. CLERK thought that the proposed plan would be unjust to many Hon. Members having petitions to present. Mr. WILKS was sure that if those Hon. Members had heard the complaints of inconvenience from all parts of the House, they would at once be persuaded to adopt the motion of the Hon. Member for Finsbury. The SPEAKER suggested that the continuation of this discussion, at the present moment, would have the effect of preventing many Hon. Members from presenting petitions that evening. Mr. BUCKINGHAM said, that as it would have that effect, he would withdraw his amendment. Mr. WAK LEY said, that after the intimation from the Chair, he felt bound to withdraw his motion for the present; but he begged the House to understand, however late it might be, he would bring it on to-night. The subject then dropped. COLONIAL TIMBER. Mr. G. F. YOUNG presented a petition from Tynemouth, praying for an alteration in the duties on British Colonial Timber. The Hon. Member stated, that in his opinion any alteration in the Timber Duties, such as that contemplated by those w h o h a d introduced the Select Committee on the Timber Duties, would be productiv e o f grea t i n j ur y. Th e petition wa s referred to the Select Committee on the Tim ber Duties. The Hon. Member presented a petition from the same place, praying the House to adopt measures to check the progress of intemperance. The Hon. Member conceived that upon this subject great misapprehension prevailed. He thought, though Acts of Parliament could not prevent men from committing acts of intemperance, yet that their evil pro pensities ought to be placed under proper legislative control. The Hon. MEMBER also presented another petition from Tynemouth, levied on their shipping, and praying for relief. Referred to a Committee on the Leith Harbour Bill. Mr. WOOD presented a petition from Halifax against the Marriage Bill and the Imprisonment fur Debt Bill. Lord W A LPO L E presented a petition from Norfolk, com plaining of agricultural distress. LAMBETH ELECTION. Mr. HAWES presented a petition, of which he had given notice, from an individual named John Thomas Loader, com plaining of undue interference at the last election for Lambeth. The petitioner complained that he had been fre quently solicited by Mr. Newman, of the Bridge-house, to rote for Alderman Farebrother, one of the candidates at the last election, and that on the 9th of January a coach and four persons were sent by Mr. Newman for him. That having a wife and family, at their earnest request he bad gone on the fol lowing day and polled for Ald. Farebrother. That he had been subsequently dismissed by Mr. Newman, and had not since been able to obtain any situation or employment. The Hon. Member bore testimony to the respectability of the petitioner, and moved that the petition be referred to the Committee on bribery at elections. Alderman WOOD said the petitioner had applied to the Corporation, who, after fully investigating his case, had found that there was not one word of truth in it.—( Hear, hear.) He (Alderman Wood) was not there to support the cause of Alderman Farebrother—he would be one of the last men for whom he would come farward, but the truth should be told. The petitioner had received notice to leave Mr. Newman's service —h e was the servant of Mr. Newman, and not of the Corporation, and the dismissal had actually taken place previous to the Lambeth Election. CORPORATE REFORM. Mr. GISBORNE had a pet tion to present from the city of Leice s ster, agreed to at a publin meeting, called by public advertisement ; and although it contained only four signatures, those four signatures represented those of upwards of 9,000 of the inhabitants. They prayed the House to pass a measure for the Reform of Municipal Corpo rations. As this most respectable Corporation was, as he hoped, about to be defunct—( A laugh)—he would not then make any observations upon this petition. Petitions to the same effect were presented by Mr. BONHAM CAkTER from Portsmouth, and by Mr. FOSTER from Walsall. IRISH CHURCH. Lord MORPETII rose to explain, agreeably to an intima tion given last night, the course he should pursue in reference to the Irish Church question. It was his intention to move for leave to bring in a Bill, but first he should propose that the order of the 23d day of March should be read in order to have it discharged. he should next move that the resolution of the 7th of April should be read, which related to the ap plication of the surplus revenues of the Church, and thereon Ile should move for leave to bring in a Bill for the better regu lation of the ecclesiastical revenues, and for the promotion of religious and moral instruction in Ireland. DUTY ON COFFEE. Mr. P. STEWART had to ask some very important ques tions of the Right Ilon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer re specting the equalization of duties on coffee : first, when it was proposed that the reduced scale of duty should take place; second, how it would affect the stock of coffee of the present year; and lastly, and this was the most important, in what manner he proposed to guard the British Colonists in the East and West Indies, from the introduction of Foreign coffee ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that it was his intention that the scale should not extend to THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAi, .1 " : 11 / 4 T -P A IS35' the effect of restricting the numbers, and in the others it would cause those *ho elected the tbivn eotineil to contribute to the rate, But he believed that the diScussicid upon that point need not occupy Mord than the few observations he had to intake; because since the disenssion of last night he hid sittedtiik s ly ceniidered the Bill, and it seemed to him ( Sir Peel) to be drawn up in precise conformity to the excellent principle for which he had contended. It would not, therefore, be necessary for him to move the amendment of which he had given notice. It appeared to him, that he ought ,to rest satisfied with the Bill as it stood, and for this reason, that the Town Council of every Borough in which the funds were deficient, should, as a matter of necessity, impose a borough rate, and that rate was to be in the nature of a county rate, as being levied on that descriFtion of property which contributed towards the Poor Rate. Those gentlemen who contended that the town councils would have a dangerous power were entirely in error.—( Hear.) Nothing would be more dangerous than that they should have the power of superseding the enactments of the law by relieving any party from the payment of the rate, but they had not that power. As the Bill now stood the rate must be levied upon all descriptions of property now liable to county rate, or what amounted to the same thing, it must be taken out of the Poor Rate. He was afraid that when the Noble Lord came to consider the 79th Clause, he would find great difficulty in bringing its provisions into operation ; but he would not mix up the observations ho intended to offer upon that clause with the 6th clause. If he understood the Bill, the borough rate must be taken out of the poor rate. Under these circumstances, finding that the Bill had adopted the principle for which he ( Sir R. Peel) had contended, he should not seek to disturb its operation by any new arrangement.—(Year.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought that it would be better to reserve the discussion upon this point until the 79th clause came under the consideration of the House.—( Hear, and cheering.) Those who bad to pay borough rate, would merely have to pay an additional sum, but that would not come in the shape of a separate rate. After a few words from Sir R. PEEL, Mr. POULETT THOMPSON thought the principle' could be much more advantageously discussed when the 79th clause was brought forward. By an Act passed in 1831, all the rate-payers; without distinction had not only a right to vote, but were qualified for any office. That, Act had pro duced infinitely more content and satisfaction in Salford than in Manchester. He knew that it caused great dissatisfaction in the latter town, but in Salford there were no heart-burnings, and affairs were carried on just as well if riot better than in Manchester. After a few words from Mr. YOUNG, the purport of which we could not catch, Mr. BROTH E RTO N said, with respect to the satisfaction the Manchester Police Act had given, be thought when he stated that at the time the Act was solicited in the town of Manchester a public meeting was held, and a petition was signed, by a great portion. of the inhabitants, against the Bill—( Hear, hear, hear)—and he recollected that the expence was about 40,0001. He had the honour of waiting upon the Right Hon. Baronet, and he stated it was impossible to prevent the wishes of the people from being complied with. The Bill was modified from what it was at first ; but in the Bill so modified, out of 140,000 inhabitants, there were in the first year only 2,400 electors; and at this moment they did not exceed 3,000. In a year or two after an application was made for a Bill for Salford, and to avoid the heart-burnings and contentions kept up in Manchester it was proposed that every rate-payer should have a vote. They had acted on that principle, and had given universal satisfaction. Out of the 50,000 inhabitants there were 2,000 electors under a 101. franchise, and ho did not believe that more than that number paid the borough rates. He must confess that he agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet regard ing the payment of rates. Mr. B A INE S, in corroboration of what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Salford, would only remark that in Leeds there were as many as eight or ten townships, every one of which had a poor's rate of its own. He did not see how they could amalgamate the two rates at, all. He wished the Noble Lord to have that view of the case before him, when he was considering the subject. Mr. EST COURT wished to know whether it would not be better to state in the proviso distinctly that the clause only contemplated those premises within the borough. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that was provided for in an after clause. - - Upon that part of the dins° which deprives those re ceiving parochial relief or other alai's; -it was proposed that all persons receiving any relief from the Corporation, or parochial funds should not be entitled to vote, •J• ••• Mr. lIOGG proposed to limit the disqualification to those eceiving parochial relief. A desultory conversation ensued, in which the Attorney- General, Sir M. Ridley, and Mr. H. Hughes took part. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought that too enlarged a sense was given to the word "alms." If all charities were alms, he questioned whether the Bill would not deprive himself, and several other Hon. Members, who, as fellows of colleges, wew benefited by funds which, in one sense, might be consi dered eleemosynary. What was intended by the clause was, that persons should not be allowed to vote who were depen dent on charity for their support, being in a state of poverty or pauperism. • Lord J. RUSSELL thought it would be better for Hon. Gentlemen to reserve their observations on this subject till the Committee had gone through the clauses relating to the charities and trusts. Clause 6, as amended, was then ordered to stand part of the. Bill. Clause 7 was then put. Mr. EWART suggested an amendment to the effect that inhabitant householders who had been in occupation for three years, and who had paid their rates through their landlords, should be allowed, if they offered to take on themselves the payment in future, at once to become burgesses. Mr. PEASE supported the suggestion, and said that the clause in its present form would disfranchise many of a valuable class of burgesses. Sir S. WHALLEY also supported the proposal, and Lord J. RUSSELL said that he would take it into con sideration. The clause was then agreed to. Clause 8 was then put. Lord J. RUSSELL then proposed to substitute the amended clause which had been printed and for some time in the hands of Members, to the effect— _ _ " And be it enacted, that if any person who shall have been enrolled a burgess of any Body Corporate within any borough, according to the provisions of this Act, shall at any time there after be omitted from the said burgess roll, he shall thereupon cease to be a burgess and member of the said Body Corporate : provided nevertheless, that if on the last day of August in any year within two years next after the time at which he shall so cease to be a burgess, he shall bona fide occupy any house, warehouse, counting-house, or shop within the said borough, and shall be bona fide an inhabitant householder within the said borough, or within seven miles of the said borough, he shall be entitled to claim as hereinafter provided, and upon such claim again to be and be enrolled a burgess and member of the said Body Corporate, provided that on the last-mentioned last day of August he shall be otherwise qualified as herein provided, except in respect of the length of his continuous inhabitancy and occupation as aforesaid." Lord STANLEY said, that according to the proposed clause, any person might be struck off the burgess-roll for non-payment of rates, and he might then, provided that next year he occupied a house—whether he had ceased to occupy It in the .mean time or not—simply by the payment of the rates for alternate years, be admitted as a burgess, just in the same manner as if lies had paid the rates for the three years. If his Noble Friend meant to say, that'fbe - person who, from accidental circumstances, was omitted from . the burgess-roll, or because be bad for a short time left the borough and returned again, and who should pay the whole amount of rates due in the interval of the three years, and then continue to occupy, that his intermediate absence should not be taken into account, to disqualify him from I. , isg admitted, he ( Lord Stanley), for one, should riot say one word in opposition. But if he meant to say, that the person who in 1833 had not paid the rates. necessary to qualify him to vote in 1835, should, if he paid in 1834, not the rates of 1833 and 1834, but the rates of 1834 alone, be entitled to vote in 1835, he (Lord • Stanley) did think that such an arrangement would do away with the whole object of the portion of the Bill in question, which was that of producing a continuous rate-paying;. He bad no object beyond taking care that the rights and privileges conferred by the Bill were given to the permanent occupiers and rate-payers of the boroughs. While he was speaking, be would mention one case which he thought deserving of attention, in the way of extending the right of freedom. He would suggest that where a person should succeed to property in a borough, by will or inhe ritance, the .person - to whom be succeeded having paid the rates for the three years, a provision might be made, under which the person so succeeding - should be placed in the situation of the, person whom he had succeeded, and enjoy the benefit of the continuous rate-paying. He wished, how ever, to have a distinct explanation from his Noble Friend on the subject of the first point to which he had alluded. If the intention of the clause were that a person paving the rates in alternate years, and refusing from fraud, or other causes, to pay at all, should be entitled to be put in the burgess roll, he (Lord Stanley) should regard it as most objectionable, and should wish to have the sense of the House in some mea sure taken upon the. matter. Lord JOHN RUSSELL was not of opinion that the diffi culty contemplated by his Noble Friend would arise under the clause—that -any ease of fraud was likely to occur. In the case of non-payment of rates, he did not think that it was pos sible to frame any clause which should provide for the re fusal to pay, or for absence caused by a fraudulent disposition, or some other circumstance. It was necessary to frame the clause with regard to the general probability of the case. If a man did not pay his rates, it was to be supposed gene rally that lie was absent at the time ; that he had been called away to go to sea, or to visit some distant part of the country, in consequence of commercial business, and that because of a u es e s 4 e r 4 to that business, he bad omitted to do that which lie had done constantly, forperhaps 5, or 0, or 10 years before, viz., pay the rates necessaraeto qualify him to become a burgess. In that case—Which ought to be looked on'ns the general one—a hardship would arise, if it were not permitted to the individual, under such circumstances, to be again ad mitted, without however passing through the whole three years. His Noble Friend said, " Let him pay the rates du ring the whole intermediate time of his absence ;" but he (Lord John Russell) did not think it necessary to require that. Having been previously for three years an inha bitant of the borough, and having paid his rates for that pe riod, he ought to be allowed to obtain re-admission by simply continuing again to pay from the time that be returned to the borough. Lord STANLEY said that his Noble Friend did not appear to see the whole force of his objection. The clause, as it originally stood, was very imperative. It said, " that if any person who who shall 'pave been enrolled a bur to the pro - Ih, ion;, corporate_ th,s .A lo a u n ast y e abioyruotituitmgi thereafter h ac o c u o se rdi . gopa reh &ate oceupy tiny Houk , . '+l the case of'ab siidp,*ithin boraugh"--that Werra , . sence-- . j‘ eonfiniied the clause, " neglect or renr.; pay such rates as aforesaid dito fiartt frith at the tinge of the revi sion of the burgess-roll, except as ficreini3efore is excepted, hi? name 5:;Wall at the next revision of the begossh - roll be struck out from the said bist.ge.s-roll, and lie shall thereupon cease to be a burgess and member of the eid body corporate." Then came the proviso stating that under ceTttin eiretnnstauces he should be restored. Those two causes of omissitilt mentioned in the original clause—absence and refusal to pay—had been sedulously left out in the clause as amended, which simply said, " If any person, &c., shall at any time hereafter be omitted from the said burgess-roll." He did not contend against the case of an occasional absence and return, suppos ing always that it was of a bona fide nature ; but he did con tend against the case of a man who ceased to pay rates and continued his occupancy—who never left the borough, but every alternate year neglected or refused to pay his rates. Lord HO WICK could show his Noble Friend that the Bill as it stood guarded against the inconveniecce which he appre hended. The objection was, he understood, taken to the ad mission of a man who one year neglected or refused to pay his rates, but who the next year should pay them without paying the arrear of the intermediate period. The clause said that " He shall be entitled to claim as hereinafter provided, and upon such claim again to be enrolled a burgess and member of the said body corporate, provided that on the last mentioned last day of August he shall be otherwise qualified as herein provided, except in respect of the length of his continuous in habitancy and occupation as aforesaid." In the sixth clause one of these qualifications, the possession of which was stated in the eighth as necessary to re-admission, was declared to be the payment of all rates. It was there distinctly stated that " no person shall be enrolled in any year unless he shall have been rated in respect of such premises so occupied by him, &c., or unless he shall have paid during the 'time of his occupation, as aforesaid, all such rates due from him in respect of the said premises, except such as shall have been made or become due within six calendar months next before the said last day of August." It was, therefore, quite clear that no person would be entitled to vote until he had paid all rates due from him. _ _ Lord STANLEY was quite satisfied by the explanation of his Noble Friend as to what were the opinions of the Govern ment ; but knowing that the clauie had excited doubts in the minds of many, he thought it worth while considering whether words might not be introduced for the purpose of rendering it More clear. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the object of the clause was merely to meet the bona fide case of a person ceasing to occupy for a time, though he might have been for a considerable period previous an occupier and a rate-payer. Lord STANLEY would ask his Hon. and Learned Friend then, whether he would have any objection to limit the means of re-admission to that case by inserting words such as would bring the clause into some such shape as the following:— That if any person who shall have been enrolled a burgess of any Body Corporate within any borough, according to the provisions of this Act, shall at any time thereafter, by reason of the interruption of such occupancy, be omitted," &c. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, that if he could have a little conversation with his Noble Friend, he should either convince him that the alteration was unnecessary, or agree to have it introduced. Sir SAMUEL WHALLEY trusted that the Noble Lord (Lord John Russell) would not agree to any amendment of any kind. Mr. JERVIS said that the effect of altering the clause would be to deprive any person who, from some technical informality, had been omitted from the burgess-roll, of the means of re-admission, except by passing again through three years, although he had been still a continuous occupier and rate-paver. Mr. .BROTHERTON thought it desirable to allow some means of re-admission. Sir W. FOLLETT said that the addition of a few words stating the necessity of paying up arrears of rates would much improve the clause. The Noble Lord (Stanley) had made a suggestion in reference to persons coming into the occupancy of premises through the acquisition of property by will or inheritance — The ATTORNEY-GENERAL interrupted the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, by saying that that suggestion would be adopte§l. Mr. GROTE called attention to the case of the interrup tion occurring during the first three years—the period in which it was most likely to take place. That did not seem to be provided for by the clause. Mr. SCARLETT said that as there was still some doubt about the point which had just been discussed, perhaps the Noble Lord would consent to insert the words which had been proposed. After a short discussion, the amendment of Lord Stanley was inserted in the clause pro formd, Lord J. RUSSELL remarking, that the clause would in all probability receive alteration in one or two particulars, and promising that words of the same meaning (because the words of the Noble Lord (Stanley) were not perhaps the best that might be used), as those proposed would be used in the fram ing of the clause before it was submitted for the final decision of the House. The clause was then agreed to. On the question that clause 9 stand part of the Bill being put, Mr. TREVOR and an Hon. Member made a few remarks in defence of the rights of freemen ; but it being proposed that clause 9 should be wholly omitted, The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Bernal) reminded the latter Hon. ' Member, that if his object was to negative the clause, it might I be much better answered by waiting until the amendments proposed regarding it should be disposed of. Sir W. FOLLETT, in rising to move an amendment of the clause then submitted to the House, would offer no oppo sition to any detail of the Bill, which, if agreed to, would have the effect of furthering or securing the object which the Bill in its preamble professed, namely, "To render Corporations better and more efficient instruments of local government." The House, however, was new called on to consider a clause which had no reference whatever to the principles involved in the Bill.—( Hear, from the Opposition.) It was a clause which had no relation to the improvement of the municipal govern ment of Corporate towns—one of the details of the measure which had not the slightest connection with the principles, the establishment of which the Bill was said to have in view.— (Continued cries of " Hear, hear I" from the same quarter.) The dense professed to have two objects to accomplish; and he was 'not quite sure whether it did not include a third, which was not quite to apparent. He apprehended that it was • the intention of those who brought forward this measure, that the 9th clause, as it at present stood, should have the effect of destroying the legal rights of freemen, particularly as re garded apprentices, and abolishing. their privilege of voting for Members of Parliament. He supposed that another effect of it would be, to extinguish the inchoate rights of freemen— the rights of property, and the various privileges to which they were entitled ; and he was not quite satisfied whether the clause would not have the further effect of preventing ell ex isting freemen from voting fur Members of Parliament. Now, if he were wrong in attributing the last effect to this provision of the Bill, he hoped that even though his amendment wore lost, the Noble Lord would take care and secure beyond doubt the right of existing freemen to have a share in the choice of Members of that House. • Lord JOHN RUSS F L L—Do you mean with regard to the right of freemen voting for Members of Parliament ? Sir W. FOLLETT—Yes; he was anxious that the most valuable privilege which the freemen possessed—namely, that of a right to choose representatives in that House, should be preserved, at all events, for the benefit of existing freemen.— ' (Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) It might not be the in tention of his Majesty's Government that the rights of existing freemen to vote for Members of Parliament should be inter fered with ; but, as the Dill thee stood, a certain mode was prescribed, by which the burgesses under the new corporate body should be enrolled. Now, the freemen being admitted to vote for Members of Parliament because they were members of the corporate body of the town to which they belonged, it became a question whether the right to which he had alluded Was reserved when the constitution of those bodies was changed, and the freemen, as originally appointed, were, in - fact, no longer members of them. He did not wish to impute to his Majesty's Government any such intention as that which he had supposed ; but he trusted that the Noble Lord or his Hon. mid Learned Friend the Attorney-General, would, as soon as possible, clear Alp all doubts on the point. He should now call the attention of the House to the admitted objects of the clause. It was acknowledged, in the first place, that persons now in existence, having an inchoate right to take out their freedom, were to be deprived by this clause of that right, as well as of the rights of property and the pri vileges to which, as freemen, they were entitled. It was further admitted that the effect of the clause would be, that every person having now an inchoate right, so far as regarded the privilege of voting 'for Members of Parliament, would be deprived of that privilege by being prevented from beecniiveg freemen of the town to which they belonged. It was certainly • true that these two descriptions of right were different ; but he did not agree that they stood on different grounds. They ought, perhaps, to be discussed separately. He should, how ever, with the permissiOn of the Committee, call their atten tion to the infringement of the rights of property effected by this clause. But whilst upon this part of the subject he begged to remind the House of a question put by his Honourable Friend the Member for Oxford, last night, to the Noble Lord opposite (Lord J. Russell) as to the intention of the Government with respect to the property held by Corporations for specific purposes. The 'Noble Lord at first anawered that it was not the intention of Government to interfere with this species of property, but to place it in the hands of the new Corporate bodies or trustees, to be applied to the purposes for which it was held by the existing Corporations. The Noble Lord, however, afterwards, in an answer to a question put by his Right Hon. Friend the Member fOr Tamworth, qualified his first answer, and stated (if he understood him properly), that property which had been left for specific purposes, should be devoted to objects connected with charitable uses.— ( Hear, from the Opposition.) If he was right in taking the last as the decisive opinion of the Noble Lord, and one in which lie". presumed his Hon. and Learned Friend the Attor ney-General acquiesced, then he must be permitted to say, with all due deference, that this Bill had been introduced without due inquiry, and without proper examination into de tails which endangered the existence of propertylield by va rious Corporations for distinct and specific pursoscs.—( Cheers from the Opposition.) With respect to the inchoate rights to Which lie had before referred, they were possessed, le con tended, by certain persons who, on becoming of age, were en titled to their frcedem, not as a matter of grace, favour,' or purchase, but as the effect of a legal vested interest, the en joyment of which they bad a right to claim.—(Hear. ) Now,. he would bring under the attention of the House a statement • whirl) le lad received with reference to the rights and privi- 1 - 7 _) 1M.4.- MUNICIPAL REFORM BILL. Lord JOHN RUSSELL requested Hon. Members who had motions on the Orders of the Day to postpone them, for the purpose of enabling the House to proceed with the Committee on the Corporation Reform Bill. The SPEAKER having called upon Mr. S. Crawford, The HON. MEMBER said he should feel great pleasure in postponing the motion of which he had given notice, relative to the oaths administered to Roman Catholic voters, as his doing so would, in his opinion, best promote the public service. He would do it on the understanding that other Hon. Members would adopt the same course. Mr. CLAY also postponed his motion relative to the Corn Laws. Mr. HAND LEY expressed a hope that although the Hon. Member had 3 ielded to the wishes of the Government in this instance, he would bring the question forward before the close of the Session, because he was most anxious that it should not remain over for another Session. The other Hon. Members who had given notices of motions were then called upon, and severally postponed their motions. The order of the day for the House going into a Committee of the whole House on the Municipal Corporations Bill, was then read on the motion of Lord John Russell. Sir 'WILLIAM FOLLETT gave notice that he should move an amendment on clause 9. The House then went into Committee, Mr. BERNAL in the Chair. Sir R. PEEL begged to ask the Noble Lord (Russell) what the operation of clause six would be after the amend ment of which he had given notice ? He would suggest that electors should have paid their rates at the time the overseers' lists were made up. He suggested the amendment because it was in exact conformity with the provisions of the Reform Act. He believed that the alteration that had been made in clause 6, would supersede the necessity of this amendment, because it adopted the principle of the amendment—because it required that those only should be included who had paid up their rates, with the exception of the six months next preceding. This was a great improvement, and would prevent many abuses which he was sure would occur if persons were allowed to pay up their rates on a sudden, as it would induce candidates to pay them for him. He hoped he was understood. Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied, certainly. It was no doubt a great improvement that there should be a fixed time to which the rates should be paid up, to entitle the rate payer to vote, and he thought that the last day of August would be the best day. Sir ROBERT PE EL begged the Noble Lord to consider whether he should not take a few days previously. He would propose the 20th of August, for instance, in order that fhe overseer might have some definite time allowed him, or say the last day of August, and then allow the lists to be made up to the 2d or 3(1 of September. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the proposal was certainly more in conformity with the Reform Bill—he had rather, however, that the 3d of September should be fixed upon. Sir ROBERT PEEL advised the Noble Lord to adopt the words of the Reform Bill. There was a slight varia tion—in the Reform Bill the words were "made payable,'.' and in the present clause the words were " made or become due ;" the meaning was exactly the same, and he thought it much better to have the same words, as a con struction had already been put upon the words of the Reform Bill. Mr. BROTH ERT ON said this part of the Reform Bill had been very injurious to the electors, for in many instances the overseers in making out the rates, assessed parties at more than the real value, and when the mistake was made known it was corrected, but if a reduction was made, it was contended that these were arrears of rent, and were not allowed at the quarter sessions. In the place which he repre sented ( Salford), more than 200 persons had suffered in this way. An lioN. MEMBER asked whether, in the event of any rate payer having been excused from paying his rates on the ground of poverty, a party interested came forward and paid the rates, the person would not have his vote ? If he was not satisfactorily answered, he meant to propose to add at the end of the clause a proviso, to the effect that all who had been excused payment of their rates on account of poverty should not be deprived of their votes. Lord JOHN RUSSELL answered apparently satisfacto rily, but quite inaudibly. Clause 6 as amended was then read, it was as follows : " And be it enacted, that every male person of full age, who, on the last day of August in any year, shall have occupied any house, warehouse, counting-house, or shop within any borough during that year, and the whole of each of the two preceding years, and also during the time of such occupation, shall have been an inhabitant householder within the said borough, or within seven miles of the said borough, shall, if duly enrolled according to the provisions hereinafter contained, be a burgess of such borough and member of the Body Corporate of the Mayor and Burgesses of such borough : Provided always, that no such person shall be so enrolled in any year, unless he shall have been rated in respect of such premises so occupied by him within the borough to all rates made for the relief of the poor of the parish wherein such premises are situated during the time. of hie occupation as aforesaid, or unless he shall have paid, during the time of his occupation as aforesaid, all such rates due from-shim in respect of such premises, except such as shall have been made or become due within six calen dar months next before the said last day of August; Provided also, that the premises in respect of the occupation of which any person shall have been so rated need not be the same pre mises, nor in the same parish, but may be different premises in the same parish or in different parishes : Provided also, that no person shall be so enrolled in any year, who, within twelve calendar months next before the said last day of August, shall have have received parochial relief or other alms, or any pen sion or charitable allowance from any fund entrusted to the Charitable Trustees of such borough hereinafter mentioned." Sir R. PEE L said he proposed, that in the case of a borough rate having been made by the Council appointed under the Bill, the payment of that rate should be equally requisite with the payment of the Poor's Rate. He had . not heard any good ground of opposition last night.' They were ' making a great and momentous experiment, which he trusted would be successful. Taking the large towns of Manchester, which now was under the control of a large body of Commissioners, who were elected by a restricted franchise, no one was allowed to vote for a Commissioner who was not rated at 161., nor any publican who was not assessed at 32/ Every one assessed to the poor rate, and having resided three ye - ars 2 and paid up his rate, was to be qualified to vote. He would repeat that this was a very mo mentous experiment with respect to the government of the town of Manchester, in which town there were not less then 37,000 assessments to the poor rates. He was not prepared to say to what extent they would be dimi nished by requiring a three years' residence and the pay ment of the rates up to the time. He wished to sea that constitution of Government which would most conduce to peace, tranquillity, and general satisfaction. He knew that the plan should be made as popular as possible ; but if they proceeded to a certain extent at first, they would find it very easy to extend it afterwards, and therefore if the effect of his proposition should be to lessen its popular application in the first instance it would ultimately encrease the number of electors, for it was not hostile to the principle of the Bill.—( Hear, hear.) The qualification of a payment of the rate by those who made it was sound in principle, nothing could be more so. The Bill not only enabled the Common Council,but imposed on them the obligation to make a borough -rate, though in several Corporations, it might not be necessary to exercise that power, and in some, none might be imposed foissome time ; but he would say that those who proposed the rate, ought to contribute to it, and ought to have paid up their rates, for that would be a great check upon improvident ex penditure, as it would give them an interest in controlling the expenditure, and compelling an economical .applica tion of the Corporation funds.—( Cries of ." Hear, hear.") — Again—there were proposals for compensation to the Town Clerk and other officers, and for the granting salaries to the Mayors and Recorders upon the execution of what this qualification would impose, a salutary check.—( Hear. ) Indeed, it would be a real cheek, or at all events a greater check than the poor rate could be. In the case of ex tra-parochial places, for instance, it was quite clear that the borough rate would have that effect, if the payment of it was made the qualification, but he rested his proposition upon the great principle, that . here was a power of taxation given ; and not only a power but an obligation— and that to secure the right application of it, those who make it should be contributors to it. The best test of qua lification, that could be had, would be the contribution to, the bo rough rate, in addition to the poor rate. It had been urged as an objection, that that would be taking a double qualification. He would, for the purpose of meeting this argument, revert again to the principles of the Reform Bill ; these three qualifications were required; first, the ten pound householder ; next, that the party 'should contribute to the Poor rate ; and thirdly, that he should have paid up his assessed taxes. In the Reform Bill a double qualification, wisely in his opinion, had been required; but the payment of the borough rate was, in his opinion, better than the assessed taxes. It was said that this would bear unequally upon different towns, that in Liverpool for instance, there would be no borough rate, but that in Manchester, where there would be a borough rate, it would be exceedingly heavy upon the inhabitants. That could not be avoided, for in one town the pooh rates might be 55., whilst in another they might not be half so much. The reason why in one case this test ought to be applied and not in another, was, that by the power of the Town Council where the borough rate existed, it was imposed, and where the taxing power was not exercised, it was not. In the first instance it would have r 4 ; , /f .474 m le i g g e h s t o4f t r a e k e e m n en as in a er s i a e m to p n le -n o n N i N n . h i i l f• i h lic h h e thought was Wyo.:2d disposed tr y. of b Iny Corporationsthat t town . first s in the differentpeeiesPor:tPt pro pertylewr-itirs • throug h lr id ut by h th t ec e c odd or , o rn don was of that description which ho admittei did not escape the a ttention of the Noble Lord— he meant the right of common which was enjoyed by the freemen of this town to the extent of rich being allowed to place their cattle on the common. That was one of t i ee privileges of the freemen of Coventry.—( Hear, hear.) Thee next was, that every freeman was entitled, on commencing business, to the use of 501. out of Sir Thomas White's cha rity, to be repaid in nine years. Besides that, every freeman decidedly in want had a right to demand out of the funds of the same charity, the sum of 4/. Again, there was an en dowed graMmar school, supported by the rents of estates, yielding 9001. a year, to which every freeman had the right of sending his son, where he was educated free of expense. There were, too, estates left for the purpose of .bindiug out as apprentices the children of freemen. Now, let the House consider what they were doing when they determined to take away from the _inhabitants of such towns the inchoate rights to which they were entitled.—( Hear, hear.) The ap prentices of Coventry had a right to every one of the privi leges which he had enumerated. Was it the intention of the House to abolish these rights ?—(Cheers from the Oppeei tior.) Was the Government going to deprive these persons of them ? He should not stop to inquire at any length into that question, but he could not help asking the Noble Lord, and his Hon. and Learned Friend the Attorney- General, what, under the provisions of the Bill, they meant to do with this species of property : to what purposes did they intend to apply the money derived from the sources which he had mentioned? He could find no provision of the Bill—no enacting clause in it—nothing in the answer of the Noble Lord, which enabled him clearly! to ascertain the views of the Government on this part of the question involved in the Bill. - He must repeat the question—what did they mean to do with the 1 r iperty of Co, peratior s? Did they mean to abolish freemen altogether, and. destroy the rights which belonged to them? If this was the in tention, in what way would they dispose of these cha ritable funds possessed by almost all the corporate towns throughout the kingdom, which were directed by will to be applied specifically for the benefit of freemen, and to be reserved to ther wives, widows, and children ?:-- e ( Cheers from the Opposition.) ' It was because he could finsi no clue whatever to the determination of the Government in any of the details of the Bill, or in any remarks of the Noble Lotd, that he felt it his duty to assort that the Bill had been introduced . without proper inquiry.—( Hear, hear.) Was it proposed that the property which ho had already alluded to should revert to the donor, or was it intended to apply it to the general purposes of the corporation? Had they a right to adopt such a course ?—(Cheers.) This prop, •ty was not left on sonic occasions to the Corporations at all. It was in some instances left in trust to individuals for the benefit of freemen, their children, wives, or widows. He might be told, however, that though it was resolved to abolish the old corporations and the freemen, still that it was the wish of Government that these charitable funds which had been left in trust. should be taken from the freemen and placed under the superintendence and control of the new burgesses. If this was the resolution of his Majesty's Government there was no clause in the Bill to that effect. Indeed, no such disposition of this property seemed to have been contem plated by the framers cf the Bill ; for by the sixth clause all persons were prevented from becoming burgesses who re ceived any relief from the charitable funds of the corpora tion. The difficulties which encompassed this question appeared to have been totally overlooked by those who drew up the Bill.—( Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) But supposing that they had considered the point and pre vision were made for disposing- of these funds, he would ask the House whether it was expedient, fair, or proper to de prive these persons, who were now entitled to it, of this pro perty ?—( Cheers.) Had they any right to do so—( Continued cheers.) The property which the apprentices of Coventry possessed in the inchoate rights and privileges of common, of the power to get a certain sum from Sir Thomas White's charity, to have their children sent to a free school, to bind out their children without expense, was as valuable to them as any estate which might belong to any Hon. Member of that blouse. Now, let the Committee try the clause by that test. If a Bill were introduced into that House to deprive any Hon. Member of the vested interest which he had in any estate, would they listen to such a proposition for a moment ? —( Cheers.) Upon what principle, then, could they deprive those persons of the existing generation, who had entered on their apprenticeships with the well-founded hope of be coming freemen, and who had paid a premium for that pri vilege which they expected to enjoy, of that property to the possession of which they had a right to look forward ( Hear, hear.) The next point which he would submit for the consideration of the House was, why was a question of property introduced, at all into the clauses -of the Bill— what had it to do with , the municipal government of Cor porate towns ?--( Hear, hear.) The amendment which he meant to propose did not go to throw out the proposed clause : it was not framed for the purpose of at all thwarting the Noble Lord in the formation of the consti tuent body under . the Municipal Bill, or changing the qualification from that of payment cf rates ; what it was his intention to submit to the Committee was,.that no person should vote for any member of the governing body appointed by this measure, or receive any privilege conferred by the Bill, except those who were qualified under its provisions. This amendment would not interfere with the due adminis tration of the municipal government of the towns, but merely pledged the House to the preservation of the rights, privileges, and property of the freemen.—( Continued cheers from the Opposition.) There was another point to -which be wished to advert—the right of the freemen to vote for repre sentatives in Parliament. There was a provision in the Reform Bill introduced by the Noble Lord which expressly secured to them that right. Why was that provision to be altered ; and if altered at all, why was it not altered directly, not indirectly? The Noble Lord might perhaps say, that at the time of the passing of the Reform Bill lie was not acquainted with all the facts which rendered it undesirable that freemen should retain the elective franchise. If so, why, when the Noble Lord became acquainted with those facts, did he not bring in a Bill to alter the Reform Bill in that respect, founded , on an allegation of the misconduct of the freemen? Having given a privilege to any set of persons, was it justifiable to take that privilege away, except upon proof of misconduct? The Noble Lord said that freemen had been guilty of receiving bribes ; if so, let tkostafreemen be disfranchised, but do not disfranchise free men who were innocent of any such practices. But were free men the only class of electors who had been guilty of bribery? It was not fair on the part of the Noble Lord to confine the charge of bribery to one class. The case of Shoreham was a case of scot and lot voters; the cases of Warwick, and of other places, were cases of scot and lot voters. The Report on the Stafford case showed that the housekeepers were bribed. Under such circumstances, it was unjust on the part of the Noble Lord to come down, and, by a side wind, deprive freemen of their elective franchise, when it was found that other classes. of the constituency were quite as open to bribery as they were. He (Sir William Follett) was desirous that the Bill under the considera tion of the Committee should be strictly confined to the object for which it was professed to be introduced, viz.,—for the improvement of Municipal Corporations ; and that no clause should be introduced into it not having any bearing on that object. but the effect of which would $e to get rid of a compact which was concluded at the time of the passing of the Reform Act. At that time, freemen were not told, " Your children shall not have the right to vote for Members of Par liament, nor shall they enjoy the property . which you now pos sess." On the contirry, they had reason to believe that the rights secured to them by the Reform Bill would be secured to their posterity. This was the first time that any attempt had been made to interfere with those rights. He hoped the Noble Lord would . sec the propriety of not pressing the clause. If he did, however, he (Sir NV. Follett) would feel it to be his duty to press his amendment. The lion. and Learned Gen tleman concluded by moving an amendment to the effect dee scribed in his speech. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL declared that the exist ing state of the freemen was a usurpation, and that its conti nuance would be a curse to the country. It was most desir able that that state should be abolished as speedily as possible. .-.(Hear, hear, bear.). If there were any peculiar cases at Coventry or elsewhere, - where makes had been devised for particular purposes connected with the existence of freemen, it might be matter of future consideration in what way that property ought to be &seeded of. But what was the object of the amendment proposed by his Hen. and Learned Friend, if it Were adopted by the Committee?—that freemen should be perpetuated ; that they should exist in srcula seculorum ; that that which was a curse to England should exist as long as Eng land herself existed.—( Hear, hear; hear.) The fact was that the freemen were a new and anomalous race of beings. They were now in the exercise of the functions of voting for mayors, for aldermen, for recorders. But his Hon. and Learned Friend was ready to agree to their disfranchisement in all those re spects, Ws Hon. and Learned Friend did not propose that the freemen e t dould become members of the -new Corporation Councils. For what purpose, then, were they to be kept? To speculate on the continuance of abuses which ought never to have existed.—( Hear, hear, hear.) As a lawyer, and hav ing therefore paid some attention to the subject, and as an an tiquary—(A laugh)—Gentlemen might laugh, but he should consider himself very ill qualified for the discussion of the sub ject if he had not looked into the old histories connected with it—lie had no hesitation, in declaring that freemen uncon nected with the occupation of house: : existed as freemen by usurpation. By the charters of Corpomitions, all inhabitant householders bad a right to become members: of the Corpora tion. It was a gross usurpation to allow perso:ts who were not inhabitant householders to become members of a Corpora tion, and to refuse that privilege to persons who actuelly were inhabitant householders. The consequence was, that ia many towns the great mass of property and intelligence was not found to belong to the Corporation ; which was composed of poor, wretched, degraded, and demoralized persons, who ought not to have been placed in that situation. His Hon. and Learned Friend proposed, that all who by birth or epprcidiceship, or otherwise, were entitled to the privilege of freemen, should continue to enjoy those privilege. Now, with regard to birth, his Hon. and Learned Friend was well aware that those per sons who were born within the limits of a borough wore enti tled to share in the privileges belonging to that borough. But the - House was about to change those limits. Were they to keep up, for all the posterity of the existing freemen, the line of demarcation already laid down, or that which was about to be laid down? Who in future were to admit freemen? Cor porations were variously consdtuted: 'Sometimes a Corpo ration consisted of a mayor, sometimes of a mayor and alder men, sometimes of a mayor arid common council. It was clear that the freeinen could not be admitted by aldermen, for aldermen were abolished by the Bill. Who was to determine if the rights of the claimants to freedom were properly stated or -- 3 1 , r icks o ts: i. a. s. 32 n 6 0 3 0 19 6 6 I