The Sun. — London, England, 1835-08-04 00:00:00

7 I r . I PARLIAMENTARY In the Lomas' yesterday, after several petitions both in favour of, and against, the Municipal Corporations Bill had been pre sented, Lord MemouaNE, amidst great tumult, noise, and repeated interruption, moved the Order of the Day. Lord Lv:sniierisT insinuated that the Noble Viscount had inis-stated the Order of the Day. Lord BROUGHAM rose to address the House ; but, amidst the confusion that prevailed, not a single Syllable was heard. When the noise had somewhat subsided, Lord MELBOURNE reasoned with their Lordships on the prin ciple of the Bill, went into many details, and showed the un wise and destructive tendency of the course some of the Con servative Peers were bent on pursuing. Lord BROUGHAM gave way to the Earl of WINCIIII.SEA, who launched out into a repetition of those invectives against Municipal Reform which his Lordship employed on Saturday, adding thereto the fol lowing resolution :—" Though this House is at all times pre pared to take into consideration and to support any measure for the reform of Municipal Corporations, founded on consti tutional grounds, and evidence of existing abuses, they deem it their duty to withhold their assent from this Bill, which was calculated to destroy the constitutional rights of Corpo rations." The first amendment, however, not being then disposed of, his Lordship's resolution was premature, and was necessarily abandoned. Lord Baot - offAsf spoke at some length against hearing evidence at the Bar. His Lordship argued with his accustomed force and ability in favour of the expediency and political justice of Municipal Reform, im ploring their Lordships, out of the respect they owed them. selves, not to mock the nation's reasonable expectation, their expressed will, and firmly rooted determination. Lord LYND. HURST went over the old ground, floe glossing over corporate corruption, now defending it; one while objecting to the le gality of the Corporations Commission ; another time boldly adopting the monstrous principle of self election. In de scribing the Bill, his Lordship concluded in these significant words—`' Under colour of reform it was a party Bill—a party job, to destroy :be conservative interest i n thi s country ; he should therefore voit; for hearing evidence." Lord RADNOR expressed his surprise at i::e speech of the Noble Lord, as it went to throw out the Bill altogether. Lord WHARNCLIFFE denied that there was any intention to defeat the Bill by a side wind. After some further discussion, the Duke of NEW.. CASTLE moved (but did not divide on it) that the Bill be read this day six months. Lord PLUNKETT supported the Bill be fore the House. The Duke of WELLINGTON opposed it ; alleging that it was a partial and a general mea sure also. Those who complained of corrupt Cor porations, argued the Noble Duke, should go to law with them—it was not for the House of Lords to legislate thus com prehensively against corrupt Corporate practices—the com plainants might go to the Court of King's Beneh—the doors Were open to them. After a few words from Lord WEST_ MEATH on the same side, and some pertinent remarks in favou r of Municipal Reform from Lord RIPON, Lord MELBOURNE said the only precedent for the amendment Was when Parliament wished to defeat the Abolition of the Slave Trade Bill, and adopted the course of hear ing evidence. They would be, in fact, defeating the Bill, and perpetuating the existence of the boroughs. He denied that the Bill was partial, and would contend that it was a ge neral act of legislation. He declared that if they decided 'Ton hearing evidence he would take no part in the conducting of it. The House then divided—For the Amendment, 124 ; Against it, 54 ; Majority, 70. Their Lordships sat till 35 minutes past 3 o'clock. In the COMMONS', the petition from the city o f L on d on f or the R epeal of the Stamp Duties on Newspapers was brought to the bar by Mr. Sheriff ILLIDGE. Several ether petitions, prayin g for the abolition of Taxes on Knowledge were also presented from various other places. A great many petitions, 0 0 different subjects, were presented. On the Scotch Church Co mmission, as respects the late commission, some discussion took ylace. In Mr. KEITH'S case, a motion was carried that that individual be sent down to Ipswich in the custody of the S erjea nt-at-Arms. Than k s were voted to the retired Serjeant t-Arras. On the House resolving itself into a comm i ttee o f _,'Q u Pply, the C HANCELLOR o f th e E XCHEQUER state d a ll the vireilmstances connected with the West India Loan. The Right Ho n . G ent l eman conc l uded b y mov i ng a resolution to the effect that interest at the rate of 3/. 7s. 9d. be paid out of the consolidated fund to the West India proprietors entitled dal com pensation. Afte r a f ew words f rom M r . HUME, who resolutio n enwtiarsely approve of the CHANCELLOR'S bargain, the agreed to. A similar resolution for 1,621,340/. for the island of Barbadoes was also agreed. to without dis- Ivellessreiottn The remaining clauses of the Irish Church Bill separately considered in committee. Upon the Cl ause which rem i ts t h e 1,000,000 / . l ent to the established c a rgh a divisi on too k p l ace; t h e c l ause was carr i e d b y a very b on majo r i ty. The Limitation of Polls Bill was passed. i - I ° l l the mot i on of Lord JOHN RCSSELL, leave was given to England in a Bill f or the reduction of the m i l i t i a staff in ~ngland and Ireland. He hoped to be ;;ble to reduce the present staff by at least one- half. It was rear A first time. SHIPP lIN G.-(THIS DAY.) FROM LLOYD'S. frl3.ALiskwr, Ay uo,and VWind the South Seas. Arrived , orn orn the river and sailed the Dispatch, Lefevre, f or St. A n d rew ' s , ew Brunswick ; and Thames, Dawson, for Dublin. urosTsitouTH AUG. 3.—Wind S. to S. E., fine.—A rr i ve d the ' a reilloness of Anglesea, Morgan, from St. John's, New Brunswick. PLIrmouTH, AUG. 2. Wind S.E.—Arrived the Cape Breton, FA'from Sidney, N. S. Off port the Hermon, —, Messina. withAuc. 2.—Wind N. to W., fine, and fresh breezes 381__edshowers.—Arrived the Lapwing Packet, from Rio Janeiro— ,ost,lrie 3 (1 Jun..,e Bahia the 14th, and Pernambuco the 20th. ltriej3osaitnlhsa.Ti::::Atht:lsG. 3, N d oricE —His ,letters'aests brig Nautilus for the Lis ay, the 4t • h in the evening of —Arrived the Hero, —, and Satisfaction, fr om Quebec ; and Lord Althorp, —, from Bathurst IvtteGor., AUG. 2.—Arrived the Dunnottar Castle, —, GAL l , F u o , A rt 'T Trieste. Off port the Glorat, Thorns, from Ceara ; and Elashard from Swansea. A G. o .Arrived the Petersburgh, Grother, Quebec. , 7 A u g .l .—A rrived • . . rrive d the Margaret, Shanklin, London. Cxportn, AUG. I.—A rr i ve d t h e L e d a , M osey , f rom Q ue b ec. Dournigc;AuG. I . —Arrived the Commodore, Ryland, from St. l •1 41th Ivr Aun. I.—A rr i ve d th e U n d erm i n i ng , K roe ft, M eme l . Akmourtr, AUG. 2.—A rr i ve d o ff port the Czar, Cl ar k son, 'torn St. Petersburgh. Auc. 2.—Arrived the Elizabeth Holdernees, Bruce, from f t/41 ° 44 A Brothe rs , P a tti son , f rom R es ti gouc h e ; A nn , Th omas, rut Piet eu ; Margaret, Sutton, and Edward, Sutton, from Stock -111; Margareth Ul r i ca Enigheden, Tinnegard, from Liebau. aad 1s titER AUG. 9 . —Arrived the Quebec, from Quebe c; Merchant„ from Tatmagouche. • HE FUNDS.-(THIS DAY.) ioned it would.be ear") ; and if no Iptach them, he heal." Noble Duke that them who are to irty to the prose s not to be found cts —( A laugh.) ed at all—by the be called upon to move my Noble ce his trial ; I, aS o the charge. I with perfect nn private feeling-- )3 - as strict a love :he course of his the period when more at another of always under o know - whether be heard at the 10 doubt on the ar. o not rise to pro ask your Lord )t be wise to ad ng to come to e then that yauf etween now ar4 uke's suggestion , , however, be an some orders of mattcrs of mere sent debate. I had not been to the evidence' ere had been an ar Reports, and les the evidence .s its foundation , ,ordships' House founded. documents es' them to thot 'bate was then n from the hut" •ations Bill. 1 1 4 15 personal tyrant , be knocked on rivileges threat' n, while he 141 5 utmost of 1115 at length, eon , at he would re' contemplate an .xereised by the )URT. ented by Lord to grant build vas also a large ted in the pur e estates were e it was veil a demand for necessary that The owners of roads through ,?. , d in the sat?' improving 10 ording t o the )f part of the se roads vrOld . and, inasmuch .operty. , stment in 1 01 . )uld be cool prayer of the tat a referenc e upon the Ps?' -for the apPll reference 05 3E. JULY 31. cial Jury.) of compens i !' on of certain 3 ; the former ,ter at Ashby' ; of obtaining pplied to by a up o n to ente w to his being n an applies' vhose employ reply a letter , my ex ce ptio o Snelson, t young men ;drained int o of a very fc !rious extent; cious circuar o his, Jervis '5 7evious habit° toted for the vi? 31. an eariy hoot !aring of th e ; wife. V ie individuals, 3 CITY, TWELVE O'CLOCK. Canton,lo Papers fo the 4th of March have been received at the itnit_aanficeSouth American Coffee-house—their contents are not of 14 • ( - 1 ,, (From th e " C an t on P r i ce C urren t" o f March 3.) su —4l ° 2 c- —A few sales of Bombay made by the dealers, for the Ary of immediate consumption. P a t Plu ll•—On th e arr i va l of the " Clipper," a few parcels of new na Were sold at 640 dr, and 650 ctrs. ; but the market has tatc: opened in Canton at s. 570 drs., declining to 650 drs. 595 1 "'le has yet b een so ld. M a l wa in little demand, at drs. or for the old, and 600 drs. for that lately arrived. The quality I,;a_toa is said to be good, and the weight 120 to 121 catties. u9LLF.Ns are dull sale. fro-Ar.lvals thi s morn i ng—a Brazil mail by the " L apw i ng, " sa il e d h ur ni jo Janeiro June 3, from Bahia June 14, and from Pernam `° dune 20. One French mail; andship-letters from Demerara. Alth TIIE FUNDS. 1 f PO r Ministers were in the mi no rity last night in the House '"s af 70, it has not had the least effect on the Funds this h av - :' n g, and indeed the public are disgusted at the delay the . Lords thiscaused to the passing of the Municipal Corporation Bill. °T ' so s, which left off yesterday at 897,- for the Account opened 20. morning a 893- ; fur Money the same. Exchequer Bills, 18 25„ : India Bonds,' 5 ; Bank Stock, 21411 2151; India Stock, ....boi:it!htil2igts;eesled;, 90i mnium at 23 premium. Foreign Market is steady, although inactive, at present, doing. Spanish,Spanish Scrip,. . 49' • - lO4 discount; Ale Three per Cents., 534• ; Columbian 36i, 36 , Ilea " , 36 4 ; Dutch Two and a Half per Cents., 54k. lIALF-PA ONE. 13 oth the BriCsli and Foreign 11Iarkets still continu S fi rm. _Consol s are at present 89 for the Account, at which price they a;0 been don e t hi s morning, with little doing; for Money 90. anllequer Bills, 22 24, improved ; India Bonds, 6 8, improved ; Stock, 214.,i 214; omnium may be quoted at an improve . ,1,1!_t ) . prem., and for which there is a demand. brite "e to!•eign prices are steady, with little doing, at the morning )6„,, s • Spanish Bonds, 491 1 50 ; Spanish Scrip, 104 - 1 4 discount ; 1 11 - , n t b 9guese, 90k; Three per Cents., 591; Mexican, 36}; b .•. , lan, 351 ”0 ; ou Dutch 'lwo and a Half per Cents, 54k ; Dutch ' , ve per Cents., 101 4- ), of a son. r )1 Alexan dre Consol s f or the Account, 89, the prisoge r firm and de' rn, and called have alreadi ontained de- O. npressive ad" !ring. which tbcre ansportati o 0 all persoo verdict %cal '4er, boric' rerwhelming nn Silver des. Blad el' ij O XS IS 0 6 9 9 0 O 0 11 1 1 O 12 I ' 2 0 6 14 1 4 h, 47, Coro' lated Good°, . . .... . , , • .-e• ;le of SVAg . b t ' iter. d Taylor, THREE 0' CL 0 CK. Jones, MARKETS-(T HIS DAY.) RAY MARKETS. —(At per Load of 36 Trusses.) Cu. , CUMBERLAND. 43 10 to £4 0 v,e4wrg beavy Lowland Meadow Fla)' 3 0 4 4! ,e.. Meadow Hay and 1 4 5 ~, 111101 d Ditto 4 13 5 0 f.,;ohe Claud Meadow and Rye grass Hay. ~,', ver li a) , ..... 315 5 0 1 5 Mit Straw ••••••..,£1 to to .E 1 IS i Wheat Stra w 2 0 2 SMITHFIELD. edarse heavy Lowland Meadow Hay 4 0 ~., leadow Hay 3 0 10 V i Meadow Old Ditto 4 5 4 4 15 5 0 ti n 3: 131)1and Meadow and Rye-grass Hay 3 15 5 5 Oat .e . r ilaY extra line .......k5 10.. ...... Generally .., ... " 1 IS 2 0 Stray/ ...... ... 41 11 to 41 10 1 Wheat Straw HUNGERFORD. rs, Esqo " use of Chat' irhind ces, Greet-o'l7 )t the Pc". It ford-T .o ° l l by, Esq. , ° .__-.,-- toalsiewr ft le.Meadaw Hay 23 10 to £3 15 ye 4 Old doD i H ay 3lO 315 4 5 4 e U p l and Me a d ow and Rye grass Hay 10 4 15 5 0 aced 84. b e Browne, , o f - Upton' ir. Holn'es' COAL MARE Per Ton., s. I ChAdales l7 6 j s'olester iii:in . " ******** - ********** l7 0 bittYwell ******************** 17 5 pietu nez.; l6 6 t°4lon ... .., l6 0 0 1) NV lZiso."; ... r , 16 17 6 .ontl Hartley .... ..... Di 6 11,1Peete ....................... l5 9 .W 4lifle kl ... :. "" .............. 18 3 1v!5 1 .t .p ati1 ey " ................... 1 (1 . 7 a. ........ .. ''' 3 4.1 S tnd Bewieke and C 0.., 21 0 18 9 walla End ( lark and Co alts End Gstbth NV,Ils Paid H ilda . .. walls E nd Hotpur ... Walls End KillineWOrth Ships Arrived since 1 AL hET.-Aug. 1. Per Ton. Cloughtoo, a Hodgsoo, s. d. , e ~ Neviff in his 77 01 Beest Nlountfield, .car. aser, re , SaraU► her Black I Walls End Newma;ch lU 9 Walls End Northumberland_ 19 9 Walls End Pearoth l5 9 Walls End llraddyll's 2l \Val's End Iletton Walls EnA Lambt-ti Walls End Russet's He ton 2l 6 Walls End Stewart s Walls End Peanery l7 6 Walls End Gordon' 2l 0 "%Valls End &thy l7 6 Walls End South Durham__ LI 0 Walls End Tees Cowl)2n ' Holmes Main 16 0 Silkstone Fkid and Co Tranent l3 9 last inarket.day. 1 6 3 of Chris• rofessor °f G, of ? 1° ; the coutiii other d aridon Ald erman, at a. magisterial meeting, the e ot observed that if th e p resent rage f or d estroy i ng •tile" a P2_4 ( tion s were not checked, the time would in y arrive mu 'stuffed Alderman" would be exhibited the British Ileum as a curclus relic of by-gone days ! dam' ~.~ No. 13,383. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, AUGUST 3. The SPEAKER took the Chair at 4 o'clock. TAXES ON KNOWLEDGE. Mr. Sheriff ILLIDGE appeared at the Bar of the House with a petition from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons of thz... City of Lmdori, in Common Council assembled, praying for the Repeal of the Stamp Duties on Newspapers. The Sheriff having withdrawn, Mr. GROTE rose to move that the petition be laid on the table which he supported, not merely on account of the im portance of the subject, but of the respectability of the per sons from whom it emanated, and he hoped that it would be an additional inducement to Government to take the taxes on newspapers into their consideration. Mr. CAMPBELL, from the East India House, brought up an account of compensation to the Company's officers. Mr. TOOKE moved the third reading of the Truro Im provement Bill. Lard STANLEY presented a petition from the University of Glasgow, against the Bill now before the House, affecting that institution. Also, a petition from 1,600 freemen of Lan cashire, against the Corporation Reform Bill. Mr. FINCH presented a petition from a parish in the county of Cavan, praying for some alteration in the qualification of those who exercise the elective franchise. STAMP DUTIES. Dr. BOWRING presented a petition (from where could not catch) praying for the Repeal of the Duties on Newspapers, He was not one who would recommend any violation of the law, but after the distress which had been occasioned by the en forcement of that law in the seizure of property, he thought the subject urgently pressed itself upon the consideration of Government. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from a place in Scotland against the grant to the Scotch Church. Mr. MARSHALL presented a petition from Carlisle, pray ing for the Repeal of the Stamp Duties upon Newspapers. He hoped that his Majesty's Ministers would take this subject into their early and serious consideration. STEAM-VESSELS. Mr. O'CONNELI, presented a petition from the Vice- President of the Chamber of Commerce of Dublin, praying that die Bill relating to the pilotage of steam-vessels might not pass; also a petition from the same individual, praying that the Bill for the Consolidation of Light-houses, particu larly as regarded Ireland, might not pass. This Bill would greatly increase the expenses of light-houses in Ireland, as the present expense of light-houses there was one third, and in some instances one-half, less than it was in this country. The Irish Ballast Board, which regulates the light-houses, united economy with perfect accommodation, and yet it was proposed to destroy this Board, and to consolidate it with one that was exceedingly expensive. Mr. RUTHVEN concurred in - the prayer of the petition. CAPTAIN ROBISON. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from a single in dividual residing at Castle-Stewart, pra)ing that the case of Captain Robison might be taken into consideration. The Hon. and Learned Member also presented a petition from upwards of 3,000 Members of the Trades' political Union of Dublin. The petition treated of the great advantages of the rail-road from Dublin to Valencia, and prayed that the House would take such measures as would be thought most expedient for forwarding this plan. TITHES. The same Hon. and Learned MEMBER presented a petition from two united parishes, Kilmacknibay and another in the county of Cork, stating that the inhabitants of these parishes consisted of 8,305 Catholics, and 249 Protestants. It appeared that the rack-rent payable by the inhabitants, the occupying tenants, was only 4,2001., and the tithe composition was 8701., which was nearly one-fifth of the rack rent. The petitioners prayed the House to insert a clause in the Tithe Bill to enable this composition to be renewed by the proper authorities. The same Hon. and Learned Member presented a petition from Bishop's-street Hospital, signed by the parochial clergy, the churchwardens, and the respectable parishioners, praying for a grant in aid of that Hospital. AFFAIRS OF NEWFOUNDLAND. The Hon. and Learned MEMBER then gave notice that on Fri Sy next he would present a petition, most numerously signea, fa= the inhabitants of Newfoundland, complaining of the administration of justice in that island. FOREIGN LOTTERIES. The Hon. and Learned MEMBER also gave notice, that on Thursday next be would move for a Committee to consider the subject of Foreign Lotteries, and whether it would not be expedient to introduce them as a means of procuring employ ment for the poor of Ireland. Sir J. Y. BULLER presented a petition from John Drew, praying that, if the Bill for the abolition of the Imprison ment for Debt should pass, his case might be taken into con sideration. REPRESENTATION OF DROGHEDA, Mr. H. GRATTAN presented a petition from Drogheda, complaining of the election for that place, and stating that the sitting member did not represent the interest or the sen timents of the borough. The Honourable Member also presented a petition from Tyrone, complaining that the peti tioner had been requested to vote for an Orange candidate, and that, in consequence of his not doing so, vengeance was vowed against him. The petitioner refused to vote for the Orange candidate, and in consequence of his doing so, some underhand proceedings were taken against him, and he was lodged in gaol. Mr. RU THVEN thought that Ministers had the power to controul the matters complained of in the petition. The Lord Chancellor might at any time strike from the Commis sion of the Peace any person who acted as was represented in the petition. Mr. LONGFIELD presented a petition from an individual in the county of Cork, complaining of the persecution suffered by him in consequence of having voted for the Conservative candidates. TAXES ON KNOWLEDGE. Mr. HUME presented a petition from 400 inhabitants of Maidstone, one from 610 inhabitants of Leicester, one from 231 inhabitants of the eastern part of London, and from four other places, praying for a Repeal of the Taxes on Knowledge. The petitioners prayed for cheap information, and he trusted that a liberal Government would take the subject into their serious consideration. Also a petition from Aberystwith, in Wales, to the same effect. The Honourable Member begged to express his deep regret at the conduct which Go vernment had been compelled to pursue a few days since, in seizing the newspaper presses of individuals—a measure which had not been resorted to by the Tories in times of the greatest difficulty and danger.—( Hear.) A liberal Government relied upon the opinion of the people, and it was too bad to see them taking measures which would set the people against them for the sake of a few paltry hundred thousand pounds. It was necessary to support the law he allowed, but the best plan would be to have the law altered by repealing this tax. The Hon. Member then presented a petition from an individual residing at Shepton Mallett, in the county of Somerset, praying for an enquiry into the charities of that town, which they alleged had been grossly misapplied. Mr. PHILLIPS presented a petition from Paisley, in fa vour of the Dorchester Unionists. IRISH CHURCH. Mr. SHAW presented petitions from the parishes of St. Peter's and St. George's Dublin, from Lismore, County Waterford, and from various parishes in Cork and Kilkenny, against the Bill for the regulation of the Irish Church. The Hon. Member for the city of Dublin had com plained that former petitions presented by him (Mr. Shaw) contained but few signatures, but he would find that the present petitions contained the signatures of many thousands of his constituents. The Hon. Member then pre sented the petition from the Corporation of Smiths of the City of Dublin against the Irish Municipal Corporation Bill. Mr. R UTHVEN said no doubt the petitions contained some thousands of signatures, but it seemed to him (Mr. Ruthven) that it required sixteen or eighteen petitions from various parts of Ireland to make up the numbers. The sooner this question was settled the better it would be for the tranquillity of the country, and for the improvement of the people. . _ After a few words from Mr. POTTER and Dr. BALDWIN, the petition was laid on the table. BONDED WAREHOUSES. Mr. COLLIER presented a petition from the merchants, shipowners, and others of Devonport, praying that flour mills may be put under the same regulations as bonded warehouses. Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. WALLACE supported the prayer of the petition. It was a monstrous thing that the British fishermen should be supplied with biscuits from the Hamburgh market. He hoped the time was come when that House would no longer re fuse to take the question of the Corn Laws into consideration. Mr. ROBINSON thought that this was a very important question. He happened to be one of those who were engaged in sending large quantities of flour from the foreign ports to the colonies, and for no other reason than that they could not obtain it here. Last session an Act was passed to allow sugar to be refined in this country for expor tation, and for the same reason they ought to be allowed to import corn, giving security that it should be re-imported. The landed interest was opposed to this question, but it did immense prejudice to the landed interest themselves, to the demand for labour, and did no good whatever. If this subject were not taken up by the Government next Session, he would himself, if no other person did so, introduce a Bill upon the subject. Mr. HUME—The House should recollect that a day had been fixed for the discussion of this question, and but for another important measure, which was then before the House, it would have been brought. for ward. This was one of the points which he had intended to bring before the Houie, and to show that whilst it kept thousands of labourers and iiiincire of !pips unemployed, it not only did not improve, but on the eeet far y, i t i„j i „, t i a lp landed interest. This was an example of the vicions state they We in from the Corn Laws, and be hoped the time would he Bill-a species of prom ' is country itself than by of which, therefore, this on to pay. It was a law. into effect the great ex. f his Noble Friendoppo when great anxiety was ( Hear, hear.) The hat the first resnlutien rnissioncrs for compensation sheutldhebeeffdeicrtect‘e'dThtO;ptah; toCottilh; owners of slaves, the interest on the amount of their el w ai i m t : from the Ist of August, 1834, at the rate not exceeding 31. 7s. 81 per cent. The resolution having been read from the chair, Mr. , HUM E rose and complained of the nature of the trans the loan; arid as the instalments were intended to pay those action, as far as he could understand. it. His Right Hon. debentures, it amounted to the same as a money payment. He Friend had contracted a loan of fifteen millions, ter which he now wished to explain to the House' the manner in which he have 100/. Stock, and 1 11. ss. 10d. Long Annuities ; so that, in point of fact, he gave 111/. ss. 10d. for every Moe ; proposed that the loan should be raised. He'peopbsed that the this difference only, that 100/. of that sum was paid in Stock. instalments should be distributed over a period of time from -( Hear, hear.) The goodness of the bargaia '!,epended upon the 6th of August till the 13th of September, and so regu lated that the larger instalments should be paid at those times whether the Three per Cents, should be at par or not.: His when it was supposed 'that the claims would be heaviest, Right Hon. Friend thought that they would riot be at par for and the smaller- instalments when the demand was less. several years; a nd hi s (Mr. Hume's) expectation - was that It ought to be cons id eri.e d t h at th i s was the first loan made in circumstanc es s i mi l ar to the present. It was the they very soon wou ld b e at par, ill which case the contractor would have a great advantage.' He would have prefei•red a first loan made since the alteration of' the currency, and, more simple system of making the loan, Ile would hove pre indeed, it might be said, that this was the first loan made under the new state of the currency and the money market, ferred if the Chancellor of the Exe':;equer had said, to the con tractor, " I want 1001., say whatever the rate on [fleas also the first loan contracted when the price ofStocks was what rate you can give it at ?" and so high as they knew it was at present, and the consequence of not, depend? reduced to 31 per e• ''''iich it was borrowed C'vas, it might be that height of price was, that the loan contracted in place of : ant. ' Whether the loan was profitable or calculating upon a rise in the price of Stocks, calculated upon di d tin , .. e entirely upon the rise or fall of Stocks. He a fall, and regulated its biddings accordingly. At the time s e - think that the loan was either so simple or so fav our _ when the tender for thi s l oan was ma d e, i t was under:: toed able as might h ave b een obtained. He was not disposed t o that there should have be e n a com p et i t i on f or i t le es e • . - -eleven two or. think that it was a favourable loan, considering the present Q - r - eil more gratif e ing to state of the Money Market. three parties, and nothing would have Ert, equer) than that that had The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was rather him (the Chancellor of the disappointed to find that the terms of the loan did not give sa been the case, for he shou . let then have felt himself relieved of the responsibility of dealing with one individual and one only, tisfaction to his lion. Friend, but he hoped that on considers. and he should in that Case have been able to come to the House lion it would appear more and more satisfactory to him. He with the statement of its having been laid open to competition, was expressly precluded from the arrangement proposed by his and his havin g a d opte d t h at which appeared most conducive Hon. Friend, by th e prov i s i ons of the Act itself, to borrow ato the public advpart of the su i t b y way o f annu i ty. He was rejoiced, how antage. H e cou ld assure the House that this evereto find that hi s H on . F r i en d o b jected to the terms of the loan was held ou t to reublic.coenpetition, but it t urne d out t h at two of the three, who were expected to bid declined availing loan on the grounds of the flourishing state of the country, in which ho was very happy to agree with him. The Hon. Mem themselves of the opportunity ; and on this day (yesterday) her had objected to the annuity system, and said he could have the only offer made was by the house of Rothschild and Com- parry, the nam e o f w h ose h ouse was sufficiently well known to contracted the loan e n ti re ly i n stoc k ; b ut the effect of that was to prevent this loan becoming to that extent a p ermanent bur all who heard hi m . Th e only protection which he had in these den on the resources of th e country. circumstances as aga i nst t h e contractor, was by the terms of Mr . CLAY then said a f ew wor d s w hi ch were inaudible in the sealed pa c k e t* w hi c h h ad previously been agreed to. On rec e i v i ng t h e ten d er of the loan contractor, if the gallery. HON. MEM BER, whose n ame we could dot hear, obse rve d his offer w as more a d vantageous than that which he that n e e could not h e l p congratulating the country in the (the Chan ce ll or o f t h e E xchequer) had set down in the sealed paper, h e was b o u n d to accept the ,tender, brit good stat e o f p u bli c credit, as exemplified on the terms if on which thi s l oan h a d b een effected. If any insidious mea if on the c o nt rar y i t was l ess advantageous, the loancon- sure for tamp er i ng w i t h t h e currency had ever been lis tractor had the optio n o f accept i ng the terms set down in tne toned to by Parliament, most assuredly a large loan like paper, or if he chose he might reject it. He would now state that now proposed could not have been effected on the terms to the House the particulars of the proposal which he received stated by the Ri g ht H on . Ch ancellor of the Exchequer. The that morning ; the te rms w hi c h t h e Fi rst Lord of the Treasury present loan diff ere d f rom a ll others ; all former loans had and himself had pl ace d i n t h e sea l ed paper; and, finally, the result of the wh o l e t ransact i on. The closing price of the been raised for th e p ur p ose o f carrying on war, the present, Three per Cent. C onso l s on S aturday was 90f per cent. however o , had been effected for th e p urposes of humanity, and The amount of this ra t e t o b e pa id in money would be for rem ving a foul blot on th e nat i on. 671. 17s. 63. The closi ng p r i ce o f t h e Three per Cent. Re- Mr. "rent that had been en t ere d i nto. duced was 91, and th e amount o f this rate to be paid in Money was 22/. 11s. The tender made by Mr. Roths 14s. 11d Mr. T. ATTWOOD remarked, that at present th ere were child was for a L o n g A nnu i ty four million s o f go ld an d one million, of silver disposable in at ~ while the terms England. H e vial kl to learn fr om the Right proposed by the t erms i n t h e sealed paper was for a the Bank of Long Annuity of 13s. 7d., w hi c h va l ue i n the money prices lion. Gentleman w h et h er thie loan of 15,000, 000 / . was fo be of Saturday at i s k wou ld amount to 11/. ss. 9d. He (the paid in A paper money or in go ld , an d i f in gold, where it was to Chancellor of the E come from.-( lateed a . :)xchequer) havin g re j ecte d t h e offer made The CHANCII;'LLOR o f t h e EX CHEQUER said that by Mr. Rothschild, aft er some cons id erable deliberation Mr. Rothschild agreed t o acce pt t h e terms set down in the scaled the Hon. Gen it l eman must be fully aware of the only answerhe could g l ut and therefore it was unnecessary for him to reply. paper ; and these then were the terms upon which the loan was The resolution was then agreed to, and the House resumed. contracted. Now, he would state the difference between the The Report to be received to-morrow. one tender and the other, and the' consequences which would proceed from th e a d o pti on o f hi s (t h e Chancellor of the Ex- IRISH CHURCH BILL. chequer's) propo s al. I n t h e A ct o f P arl i ament a limit was put The House th en reso l ve d i tself into a Committee on this u on the Bill, for the purpose of taking th e postponed clauses into con op erations of Governme n t i n re and to the co n t rac ti ng of a loan, alth oug h th e Government had the pow er o f con- sideration. erecting a loan of a na t ure binding up hem was thi s that the on the nation, by signin Clause 6 was th e n agree d to. the contract. The li m it put upon them Clause 9 (comp os i t i ons f or t i t h es may be revised on applica rate of interest u p on any l oan ra i sed under the Act, should in tion to th e C ommiss i oners o f Land Revenue) was then read. no case be more th an s s . per cent , more than the current rate Lord CLEMENTS cou ld not consent to the clause in its of interest, at th e mar k et pr i ce on redeemable annuities. At present state; h e th ere f ore trusted that his Noble Friend that rate the niaximung rate of i n t er e st per m illi on would be would cons en t t o re-open a composition when an appeal was entered by consid era bl y l ess than one half the number of tithe -35,760/., or 7601. abo ve 31 per cent , as calculated upon the nn ord MORPETH t h ought it would not be advantageous quer's) proposal, an d w hi c h was t h e settled terms of the con- e average rate of C onso l s d ur i ng the l ast six years. The terms rs. a P Lord of the loan, accordi ng t o hi s (the' Chancellor of the Exche to open comp os iti ons , unless it appeared that some grounds of tract, differed from th e max i mum allowed by the Act by the complaint exi s t e d ; an d if they did, there would not be any diffi annual charge of 23,6131., w hi c h represented a principal of tufty in getti ng th e requ i s i te number of signatures. He thought 405,505/. The term s accepte d di ffered from the terms first that the Bill at p resent pressed sufficiently hard on the clergy proposed by Mr. Rothschild by an annual charge of 10,075/., man, and he did not wish to add to his trouble. There was, representing a princip a l o f 149, 233 / . He (the Chancellor of under this cl ause , su ffi c i ent power of appeal, and he objected to the Exchequer) had, ther e f ore , save d to the public the diffe- open appeals without suffi c i ent cause. Mr. O'CONNELL suggested t h at a rev i s i on of the nonce between the tender ma d e b y M r. Rothschild, which composition. might be a ll owe d on t h e appeal of one-third of amounted to 10,000/. a year, and h e h a d saved to the public the difference between the t erms o f t h e l oan as contracted, the tithe-payer s i ns t ea d o f one-half. lie also recommended and period should b e ex t en d e d i n which ' and the maximum limits - allow e d by th e A cts, wh i ch amounts to t the ac er e the appeal was to 23,613/, a year. And now it b ecame hi s d uty to state the ake pl. Lord MOR PETH thought tbat if there was good ground rate of interest at which this loan was practically contracted. i or complaint, parties were -Riffleicntly alive to their own into- The money amount of the loan was 101/. 183. 3d., and the ex- rests. He therefore should in this instance adhere to the ge cess above the money amount of the day was IL 18s. 3d.,the con- - at the question sh ou ld on l y b e opened at the dis tractor being entitled to pay up th e va l ue o f t h e discount,amount- cretion of the neral rule-th ing to 1/. 19s. 9d., which made a total amoun t o f 103 / . 18s. Tee majority. ordinarY discount on loans b e i ng 4 per cent. the rate of dis- After a few wor d s f rom M r. O ' Betees Mr. J. GEA7TAN, and Lord CLEMENTS, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL f or I reland said that it count had never been so low as that agreed u p on i n t h e pre sent loan. In addition to thi s , th e rate o f i nterest was most was not necessary that there should be a majority of the rate favourable and on the fairest principle. He took the average payers to open a composition, but even a single individual rate of interest of Consols for the last six years. He (the might do so, if he paid more than half the tithes. Chancellor of the Exchequer) hoped that the next six years The clause was then agreed to. might be as favourable as the last six years, in which case ne Clause 10 (grounds on which applications for seizure may was sure that the loan-contractor would find that he had made an advantageous l o a n , w hi c h h e wou ld b e well entitled venue, be founded, to b e su b m i tted to Commissioners of Land Re to, but that co u ld no t b e en ti re l y rec k oned upon. lie found, A lengthened conversation took place, in which several however, that for the last six years the rate of interest on Con- Honourable Members took part, as to whether the powers sots was at an average 3/. 10s, per annum, and it was satis to be conferred by this clause were sufficient ; it was, how factory for him to be able to state, that although the funds ever, carried on in such a low tone of voice that it was unin are so uncommonly high, the Consols being 90k, and the telligible in the galiege .. Three per Cent. Reduced being 91, still the rate of interest The O'CONNr.'eIi:DON said that the provision would epee on the present loan is lower, being contracted fOr at 3/.75.6d. rate, in some particular instances, unjustly. to 3/. 7s. 81 per annum: A more advantageous contract had sor -_, l I d ORPETH proposed some verbal amendments to never been entered ioto, and he could not but exct that it would give satisfaction to the House and the public. -(Hear, , Meeithe objections of the , Hon. Gentleman. The clause, after a short discession was agreed to. hear.) The rate of interest was quite unparalleled--( Hear, hear.) He found, on c o mp ar i ng t h e rate of interest on t Clauses 11, 12, 13, 14, 1 6 , an d 50, were then agreed to. h. present loan with that upon pre v i ous l oans , t h at the difference Clause 51, which p ro p oses t h e rem i ss i on of the million ad was as follows :- vented to the I r i s h c l ergy was t h en read. The interest on the loan of 1822 was 5/. ss. 7d. Mr. D. W. HARVEY rose t o state t h e grounds on which 1813 - 510 6 he should oppose it. He referred to, the speeches of Lord 2d loan of 1813 - 5 6 2 Althorp, Mr. Littleton, the Right lion. Member for Man -1814 - 412 1 Chester (Mr. Poulett Thomson), anti the present Attorney -1815 - 5 12 4 General for Ireland (Mr. Perlin), on the occasion of the grant 1819 - 4 .5 9 being proposed, to show that it was brought forward simply • 1820 - 4 3 3 as a loan ; and that, according to the statements then made, And on the present loan 37 6 the Government of that day would not have proposed it, had -( Hear, hear.) More favourable terms could not possibly they not felt the most perfect security regarding its repayment. be expected.-( Hear, hear.) This interest was to be corn- lie wished to be understood, when speaking of the Irish puted not as the present charge, because 101,000/. was ter- clergy, as riot expressing any feeling of hostility to the as minable annuities, but the charge to the perpetual debt actif- sistauce given to them. He thought, indeed, that they wer ally amounted to no m ore t h an Si. 7s . 6 d. per cent. He had fully entitled to pay th e f u ll amount of what was due to them, al e now completed his statement in regard to the loan. Security though he could not forget that there were men among them who had now been taken that, at whatever time the session might were not to be found illustratiot, the precepts of their religion by close, the Government should be in a situation to meet any a local observance of the duties of their station, but who were claim which might be made on its justice and the justice of to be found in club-houses at Cheltenham, or ready to receive the country. Government was now prepared rigidly to fulfil their transmitted tithes at Paris, or some other city. No every portion of the engagements entered into by Parliament grounds had beeu put forward by the Government for remitting under the Slavery Abolition Act ; for the West India Pro- the million, which-had been advanced ; nothing had been pro prietor could not think it a hardship that he should be paid posed-there had been only some insinuations in favour of such partly in debentures instead of being paid in money. He had a, course. It bad been insinuated that the remission was a great pride in saying that the whole operation of the loart small,, sacrifice for the sake of a great benefit. What was the would be conducted without imposing any obligation uncle the bezet&F-? The only effect of it was to add another million to Bank of England or the Government, or have the :remotest the amount already given up by the Bill in favour of the Irish hazard of disturbing the circulation of the country.• He 'elandlOtde ; and mci - swell, that amount to five millions. Thus, trusted that the House would not ask him, eve n if h e had it in according to the `stafemieht of the Right Hon. Baronet, the his power, to reduce the rate of interest up on this loan, if that- other ifi;ht, taking thefitheS at - 600,000/.-200,0001., or one reduction was to be effected at the risk of cmbarassing third, was to be at once remitted. The fee-simple of that at the • circulation of th e country, or i f the effect of it 20 y ears ' purc h ase was 4,000,0001., to which. was to be added would be an undue issue of paper.-( Hear, hear.) He the farther sum of 1,000,0001., to be remitted by this clause. would state what he proposed to do with rega r d to the It was then insinuated that the insertion of the remission clause \s. by-gone interest. Th e quest i on was, from what time the would facilitate the passing of the measure elsen here.-as payment of the interest should commenc e . N ow , upon what there any of that kindly feeling shown at present in that other ground was this compensation to be paid ? It was to be paid place ?-( Cheers.) They would find, indeed, that the stub as compensation for the loss to be sustained under the pro- bornness there prevailing would be only increased by this aban visions of the Act for the Abolition of Slavery. The donment of the public funds. In the attempt which that House question, then, simply was, when that Act came into opera- was making to run a race of popularity with the Representa tion, or iu other words, when the loss under the provisions of tives of the people, by impressing the country with a sense of the Act took place ? Now, it was known that the Act came their assumed jealousy of the vested rights of the lower classes, into operation on the Ist of August, 1834-and he therefore wou ld t h ey not, if they rejected this Bill, say that they had held that from that d a t e the House was bound t o p a y interest done so from regard - to, the pockets of the people, and to check to those having' claims._( Hear.) The resolution which he the mad and profligate waste of the people's Representatives ? should move would affirm that principle.-( Hear.) It then It was again insinuated that the remission was necessary, be became a question, what rate of interest should be paid? He cause the money could not be recovered. But that argument meant to propose a rate which would, perhaps, not be consi- would not bold good. By the Act commonly called Stlinley's dered sufficient by the claimants themselves at first sight, but Act, the composition then made oompullOry for ethe. tithes •o£ which he thought, on consideration, they would - find to be fair. 1834, was rendered a primary charge,upOn'the 'lard; and how, He proposed to give ahem, not the interest given upon Ex- could the framers of this Bill, if tlmy pretended to be unable to chequer bills, but the interest to be paid upon this loan--and he collect that, hope to recover hereafter the rent charge which further proposed that it should-be paid to them from the Ist the measure established as its future substitute.? He called upon of August, 1834.-( Hear.) But the Act provided that the the Government to state what equivalent the country was to expenses of the Commissioners of Compensation, both at have for the money proposed to be remitted. With this example home and abroad, should be paid out of the general compensa- of Ireland before them, might not the tenantry, and espe tion fund ; and accordingly a table had been sent by Govern- cially the dissenting tenantry of England, claim an exemption ment to each colony, showing the different proportions to be from their tithes for the next three years-from 1835 to 1638 ? paid by the colonies. The amount having been there- They might with equal justice; and the only difference would tore apportioned among the colonies, if means could be be, that the House would then be called upon to advance 3or found for paying the expenses of the Commission without 4 millions for the English clergy, instead of the one million disturbing the apportionment, it would be both simple and which they had advanced to that of Ireland. He called on better than that a rateable reduction should be made from the Conservative landlords around him, who had induced the the whole amount. He proposed, therefore, to reserve Government to give up the tax on cur-dogs mid aretiles, and the interest pay a bl e s i nce the else of . August, 183 4 , to who had thanked God for the relief so afforded, to act honestly pay the expenses of the Commission. lie had now gone on this occasion by their tenants, and demand that they should through his statements. He had told the terms upon not be allowed to pay their hard-earned money for purses which the l oan was ma d e, and compared, the interest p a id f or w hi c h they ought not to provide. Ile should net move upon it with interest paid upon the former loans. He any specific amendment because if he were to pr etend that had pointed out the advantageous' terms upon which the loan the repayment be charged on the landlords . of Irelend, he was contracted, and shown that the circulation ran no risk; should be met by a body of Irish Gentlenien instantly declarand he had explained the proposition as to the payment of ing-as was declared by one of them the the claims, as well as the manner in which interest upon claims were ready to pay every h ''...ther night-that y .. char jP:posed on them-that they was to be paid. He did not know if he had the good for- wanted none of the money of eh ae tune to make himself clearly understood, but he had endea• all they wanted was ^ in :nee to their country :-and that the people of England ; but that mired to do so. He would conclude by mentioning that this Ilinno knew was loan had two characteristics :-the first was, no previous bean I made the t'eart of an Irishman vibrate till he exhausted every l a subject which, when once touched upon, had been - contracted, the payment of the interest qf tilliA was 1 tre provided for, after the reduction of a 1400 ,mount of the Govern tion, without making au agitian its the natiVn' / ... i. op - p n o e se ar t id he fi e g l u a r u e se of o i n •h a et g or e i n c e .- ral ( i L w a ir mh p t ic e , r. l ) eav l i i n i g . should simp y sad secondly thie e-rie tice first time that a - and expressing his by which the .money might be recovered, ' furtTi nu' io‘.- ' - en.n was contracted by meet, with their fruitful resources, to carve out some means remission of this .7 - .. , 4 4 el.l 4 of lia" eau defence, or cf ambitiOe in own willingness to support any proposition for that purpose. " t nding d°071..n abroad-but .. it .was contracted for the pur- Lord M 0 RPIE, TH admitted that the , ' • premium on those who had - pose of' effecting that great object of the friends of humaniiy money was contrary to the f u a n e d , e l rstanding held out at the ti me in this country, as well as in the whole world, with a due re- of granting it, and was so a mut then contracted, and a p ee Bard to the interests of ,pertics interested its that species 'of eva d e d or v i o l ate d the enga ge ment PRICE 7D 7 4-- r ,od iee ...- , - . a - ' ' • ~.,-;;-.............., 4 ~ ~........„. , • 1 , .. „‹ property which was annulled by the . - G' perty which was created more by th .., on ' ~.,% ,:-------_-„., the co!onies ; and for the abolition i -rritgor„l N .;-.- v. 7--,, f. lopiiit. ' . r - i".: -. 1.., "'.' 1,.. coulitry very propel ly was called upc tt tkit i i‘ ,44 , 4 ; tt _. ~. ..,r , '. .r2 - --. 3_ 7( : ; f ,-. 41, - . -.2_S ( - 0 t.',..! 7 :( `--`- , , _ . , _ f '.- -- -,. ;, ,-, t : ,. , -,, , .. formed to make provision for carrying periment tried under the auspices cl ~,_ , , . 5mi1 , ,, ,... 001. 44,4 4.. i r iy-' oit --\,-;\ -,- ' , iim ) r -- :- 1 ' ' r - • ' . . -i'i'l2 - Ir AC ." 4 Vt site—an experiment WhiCh IN dS made ,^2l, il t A -,Mir i \ • ."I , ` ' k- -. .''... i‘ 1 1 'r'' <, , . - ~ . i . • felt for tile situatioa of the colonies. iii ,_ 0 ~.._., , Right Ilon. Gentleman then said t t.., ,-'7? • - 41 40.... ." • - 'w ' .-, . ...iiia , s ., ....ir , ~_, ..,. ~,,., j .: : . - - • `,), y.), „:.A 7 ,;,...:. 4e . , . „.......- „, ..,..- ~ , •> o,= -' 4 011 0 . 44 .371 0 , , je ..,. 4 .. ~, \w _ . which be should move was to the el ` i - ' e , - .. t -‘ ~ 4; .A - -- , ~,nTrc,„, ' ....k ? ,'; :, k ,,, ~ =-'l . - `---> * 7. ( t'"Z4 - P N 7 -tj ~ie7ll-,1,1....t. `Atir . o. )-4;- , 1 ',.‘,11: 0I T ''''' * ''''' '- ''''''`'' ---. , '',:< . i //e2, DI ~,k, ' ' 01,, t f . o p. ' LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 4, 1835. come when all the efforts of the Noble Marquis (Chandos) would not be able to keep up these injurious laws. Mr. PEASE hoped there would always be enough of sup port in that House for the landed interest—( Hear, hear)—and that that House would not allow those laws to be taken away till the subject was fairly debated. The petition was laid on the table. CASE OF MR. GURNEY. Mr. CA YLE Y presented a petition from 700 of the ope ratives of Preston, complaining very much of . the late Factories Act. They stated that many of the provisions of that Act had been evaded by the masters, and that children were still compelled to labour for twelve or fourteen hours in the day. The Hon. Member gave notice that early in The en suing session he would bring forward the case of Mr. Gurney ; which he had been unable to bring forward this session. Sir HENRY HARDINGE thought that Mr. Gurney had a strong claim to compensation from the public, and he hoped that when that claim was brought forward, it would receive the favourable consideration of the House.— The petitions were then laid on the table. NEWSPAPER DUTIES. • Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from an individual in Galway, complaining of the charge upon newspapers of one penny postage. This was extremely unjust, and he hoped an end would be put to it. As it was, however, under the con sideration of the Government, he would say no more upon the subject at present. The Hon. MEMBER also presented a petition from the Post master of Dumfrios, with respect to the charge of post-hone duty. Also a petition from the Magistracy of Greenock, with respect to the bonding system. The HON. MEMBER also presented a petition from the Cham ber of Commerce of Greenock against the Redcar Harbour Bill. Also a petition from parties residing in Glasgow, from persons who had been prosecuted under the Stamp Duties Act, praying that their case might be taken into consideration. Mr. ROEBUCK gave notice that to-morrow he should present a petition from certain parties involved 'in cer tain transactions in London, with respect to the Stamp Duties. He gave this notice in the hope that his Ma jesty's Attorney-General and other Members of the Govern ment would be present. The case was one of the most atro cious that he had ever witnessed. Lord JOHN RUSSELL tl_ought that giving a notice ac companied with arguments, especially as it involved the cha racter of his Majesty's Ministers, was perfectly inconsistent with the rules of the House. SCOTCH CHURCH COMMISSION. Sir W. RAE said he would take that opportunity of making a complaint with respect to the Commissioners that had been appointed to inquire into Scotch Churches. In his opinion, that Commission ought to have consisted of men of all parties; but instead of that course being adopted, per sons only of a certain party had been selected.—( Hear.) He would ask, was a person who it was well known wrote tracts against the Established Church of Scotland, a fit person to be appointed on the Commission ? A Commission composed of what he could not but designate as party men, was very un likely to give satisfaction to the people of Scotland--( Hear, hear)—and he would therefore suggest to the Noble Lord op posite the propriety of making alterations in it. Lord JOHN RUSSELL would not pretend to state the merits or demerits of the individuals composing that Commis sion, because he was not personally acquainted with them ; but this he would say, that the persons named were, generally speaking, those who would do their duty fairly, and, in his opinion, it was no objection that some of them were of a par ticular way of thinking on political matters.--( Hear, hear.) He could state that many of those Honourable Members who thought with him on political matters, were divided with regard to the question of the Church of Scotland-- some of them advocating a grant, and others being against it. He was justified, therefore, in saying, that this was not a party or political matter. The . gentlemen named upon it were not only persons of great ability, but of the strictest integrity and impartiality, and there could not be any objection fairly taken against them.—(He ar , hear, hear.) ith respect to the gentlem an against whom exception was taken on the ground that he was not a member of the Church of Scotland, he could state that many members of the Church of Scotland were of opinion that some person should be appointed on the Commission to represent the Dissenters of Scotland, in order that the amount of reli g ious instructi on g i ven b y the D i ssenters should be ascertained. Perhaps the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite wished to shut out the Dissenters altogether. That might be his view, but such was not the views of his Majesty's Government.—(Hear, hear.) It was necessary that the means of instruction afforded to the people of Scotlann should be ascertained as far as possible, and that he believed the present Commission would do fairly and honestly. On these grounds, and because he did not believe that it was a party question, he (Lord J. Russell)saw no reason for giving any other advice to his Majesty than that he had already given. Sir G. CLARKS, without going into the merits of the dis cussion, would say that the appointment of that Commission had created general disappointment in Scotland. It was composed ofyoung barristers of not more than two years standing, and who were better known rather as being very active sup porters of the present administration during the election, than for displaying any interest in the welfare of the Church of Scotland.— (Hear, hear.) He did not think the people of that country could be at all satis fied that this investigation into the means of religious education should be committed to the hands of four or five young barristers, whose talents and abilities, however, lie did not dispute when applied to other matters. The Commission appeared indeed to have been constituted more in the temper of the speech of the Lord Advocate, than in that of the Secretary of State for the Home. Department. Mr. C. FRIZGUSS ON said that no man was more sin cerely attached to the Church of Scotland than himself, and many supporters of the present Administration he knew to be warm supporters of the Church.—( Hear.) Persons in the Commission were persons above all suspicion ; and if they were barristers without practice, so much the better, because they had more time to devote to the task which they were required to perform, and which indeed did not need any very extensive knowledge or attainments. He admitted having said that this ought not to be a party Commission, but he spoke in reference to religion rather than politics. He did not think the Right Honourable Baronet was justified in saying that the present Administration was not friendly to the Church of Scotland. He approved of that Com mission, and he believed that it would have been unjust to the Dissenters of Scotland, if no man known to be friendly to that body had been appointed to that Commission. The LORD ADVOCATE defended the character of the Commissioners. The youngest of them w.ls a person of as high a character, and as great ability and im partiality, as any that could be found in Scotland.--( Hear.) lie knew there were objections to this Commission, but they were chiefly of a very - opposite kind, viz.—that too many friends of the Church were chosen.—(Hear, hear.) If it had been possible to select persons well acquainted with the country, and at the same time unconnected with it, it would have been desirable; but while there were so many distin guished friends of the Church upon this Commission, it would have been a singular thing if one Dissenter had not been ap pointed, but it was still more singular that this appoint ment should be objected to.--( Hear; hear.) Their great object had been that they should appoint persons who should be impartial, and he trusted that in their selection they had been perfectly impartial. Mr. PR INGLE--It was a mockery to say that this Corn. mission had given satisfaction ; it had on the contrary caused great disappointment even among the friends of the Govern ment. They did not object to the appointment of a Dissenter, but because he professed the voluntary principle. He recom mended the Government to make further enquiry upon this subject. Mr. BAINES rose amidst cries of " Oh." The inquiry was, whether the voluntary principle or the Established Church should receive support ?--(Cheering.) He hoped they would hear before they would judge. He understood that one of its objects was to inquire whether the Established religion should have entirely the sup port which might be afforded by that House, or whether support should be afforded to other systems of reli gious worship ?—( Hear.) When only one Commissioner was_ favourable to the voluntary principle, and ten opposed to it, the complaint could not be fairly made that an undue preference was given to the Dissenters. Mr. F. MAULE did not see the Commission in the same light—if he did he would not support it. The petition was then laid on the table. MR. KEITH—IPSWICH ELECTION. The SPEAKER informed the House that he had received a letter from one of the Members of the Eastern Division of Norfolk. It appeared that the number of prisoners before the Court was so much less than usual, that after Tuesday next they could not safely present an indictment against Mr. Pil grim in the absence of Mr. Keith. After a few words from Mr. HUME, The question that Mr. Keith be-sent down in custody of the Serjeant-at- Arms was 'then put. Lord STORMONT had moved that Mr. Keith be called to the bar on Wednesday, and discharged, but having since ascertained that his legal advisers considered the pre sence of Mr. Keith necessary to sustain the indictment before the Grand Jury, he should move, as an amendment, that Mr. Keith be called to the bar that evening and dis charged. He should certainly oppose the motion for sending down Mr. Keith in custody, as it would utterly blast his pros pects and character. Mr. HUME begged to ask the Speaker if the Noble Lord could anticipate his motion in that.way. Lord ST ORM 0 NT contended he was perfectly in order. He could move an amendment to any motion he had given. The SPEAKER thought it essential to the main tenance of order thatno.altaltoion should be made in the terms of motions made by Mitnbers: Mr. WASON 'boniptidued that one individual should be confined tri lieirgata si. vosaa, ;Mile another, _ wife eau OMMitted a much mor e aggor 'iatid deuce, should be dis charged at the end of five days.—( Hear.) It would be most indecent if such a practice was persevered in. Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought that as six persons had ,been already prosecuted, enough had been done in the way o' example, and if it went to a division be would give his v , ,t for the Edischarge of Mr. Keith.—( Cheers prom the Op. position.) Mr. HUME thought the conduct of the Noble Lard very inconsistent, and should vote the other way. Mr. P. M. STEWART th oug ht th a t the offence of Mr. Keith was one of a very aggravated nature [hear, hear !]. He had recommended the absence of Pilgrim, and had been accessary to prolonging it, not merely as Clipperton had done, by corresponding with him, but actually by offering a personal interview with him at Calais to relinquish the charge of em bezzlement, if he would persevere in a breach of the privi leges of that House [hear, hear !]. What were they now asked to do.? Why to liberate Keith to enable him to prose cute a charge of embezzlement which he had himself pro posed to forego [hear, hear I]. When Mr. Clipperton, a pro fessional man, had endured seven weeks' imprisonment, and sustained the pecuniary loss inevitable on the absence from business, he saw no reason for releasing Keith, the worst of fender in this memorable transaction, after an imprisonment of only five days' duration [hear, hear 1] The House might sit seven weeks longer„ indeed from the reports of the day he saw no prospect of an immediate termination of the session. Mr. CUTL A R FERGUSON was extremely sorry that it was not in his power to vote for the amendment to which his Noble Friend had acceded. A careful perusal of the evi dence convinced him that it was one of the most aggravated cases in his recollection. Lord EBRINGTON felt bound to support the original motion [hear I] After - a few words from Mr. ESTCOVRT and Mr. AGLIONBY, the House divided— For the original motion For the amendment Majority —S THE LATE SERGEANT-AT-ARMS. Lord JOHN RUSSELL rose to move the resolution, of which he had given notice, relative to the late Sergeant-at- Arms.—( Hear, hear.) " That Mr. Speaker be requested to acquaint Mr. Henry Seymour ,that this House entertains the highest sense of the exemplary zeal and fidelity with which he has uniformly discharged the duties of his situation during his long attendance in the service of the House."—(Cheers.) Sir ROBERT PEEL seconded the motion. The resolution was immediately carried. COLONIAL SLAVERY—COMPENSATION ACT. Some papers on this subject having been presented, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that the House do now resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House on the Bill for making compensation to the West India Proprietors for the loss of their slaves. On the question being put, Mr. HUME hoped that the Right Hon. Gentleman would not persevere in the motion ; at all events, until the papers just presented had been printed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that his object was to provide for the issue of funds for making compensation to the owners of slaves at a period anterior to the present time. His object also was to explain to the House all the circumstances attending the loan proposed to be con tracted for that purpose. 'lt was the usual course in such cases, and he hoped his Hon. Friend would not object to its adoption on the present Instance. The motion was again put and carried, and the House resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House ac cordingly, Mr. BERNAL in the Chair. - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER confessed, that were it not for the confidence he reposed in the, indul gence of the House, he should feel very great difficulty in rising to address it on that occasion, knowing, as he did, that the details he was about to enter into were not very likely to captivate its attention, still Hon. Members were pleased to recollect—as he trusted the individuals he was addressing would—that the transaction in question was one of the most important that had been brought before Parliament for many years. The House was aware that under the Act of Parliament which had just been read, powers were given to enable the Government to raise a sum net exceeding twenty millions sterling, to meet the compensation to be given to the owners of slaves in the West Indies, for the _ . _ toss which they might sustain from the operation of that Act. The provisions of the Act which had regard to the mode of raising the twenty millions, were matters of serious consideration and discussion at the time it was before the Ifoueee and the terms - . under which the Government wee empowered to raise the sum necessary for the purposes of the Act differed from those upon which former loans had been rained. In former negotiations for loins, it had al ways been the practice to leave it to the Chancellor of the Exchequer to decide who should be the individual con tractors to whom the contract should be offered, and he was then obliged to come to Parliament for a recognition of the loan ; but under the provisions of the Bill in question, full and unrestricted powers were granted to the Government to contract the loan, saving only the powers of Parlia ment, by requiring that the papers should be laid within a certain time upon the table of the House. Acting under the provisions of that Act, it became his province as Chancellor of the Exchequer, asoon as circumstances would allow him, to ascertain forzillM sum to make provisions, in order to to meet the obligations contracted under it. He had been reprehended for not having taken steps earlier ; but circum stances, which itNiiikatsmecessary ,for him to particularize, had induced him to ,posigosieuntil the last moment he could, en tering into the contract. Under the provisions of the Act, while full powers were given to the Government to con tract a loan not weeding twenty millions, they were re stricted as to the time within which the loan should be con tracted so far as this, that it was required that Parliament should be sitting when the loan was contracted; and having now entered the month of August he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) found himself compelled to make provisions for being prepared with the maximum sum, which might be re. quired to meet such claims as might be made between the present piled' and the next meeting of Parliament. The full amount of the West India compensation was 20,000.000/., bnt in that . "amount_ was included the sum of 2,100,0001., which was allotted to the compensation of the proprietors of slaves in the Mauritius, and 1,200,0001., which was allot ted as compensation to the proprietors of slaves in the Cape of Good Hope. Neither of these sums could come in course of payment between the present period and the month of Fe bruary next ; and he was therefore justified in excluding 3,000,000/. from the loan about to be contracted upon that account. There was a sum of 1,721,000/. applied as corn. pensation to the owners of slaves in Barbadoes. With regard to that sum the Under-Secretary of State for the Colonial Department, in the admirable statement which he made to the House on the subject of the West India Colonies, had told them that an Acthad passed the Colonial Legislature of Bar badoes, which, like ,all other Acts passed by the Legislatures of the Colonies, it was necessary should be approved of by the King in Council. The Act in question was• deemed inade quate and unsatisfactory, and it had in. consequence been dis allowed by his Majesty in Council. The effect of this was, that until a new Act had been passed through the Legislature of Barbadoes, and approved of by the King in Council, no part of the compensation applied to Barbadoes could be called for. He was not in a position to say that this sum should be excluded from the consideration of the House at present, because it was possible that before the next meeting of Par liament the' Colonial Legislature of Barbadoes might pass an Act which would be sausfactOry. 11, therefore, this cleina was excluded from consideration at present, the result would be, that if in the interval they passed a satisfactory - Act, 'they would still be entitled to payment of their claims, without any provision having been made for it. He therefore proposed that this-sem should be provided, not as a part of the contract, but, as had formerly been proposed by a Noble Lord who was not now a Member of the House, by a separate charge, repre senting the amount applicable to the owners of slaves in Bar badoes, and which sum should remain subject to the orders of the compensation Commissioners till such time as a satisfactory Act was passed by the Legislature of Barbadoes. The conse •quence of this was, that between the 3,300,000/., which was the amount allotted to the Mauritius and the Cape of Good Hope, and the 1,721,000/. which was the amount allowed to Barba does, he thought he might safely exclude five millions out of tho present loan. Five millions, therefore, of the amount of the whole composition was, at least, for the present, out of the question. Ile found himself, however, bound to make pro visiorl for the other 15 millions. The period at which he might -be called upon to pay these claims was, it was true, uncertain, still it was necessary that they should be provided for. He :might be called upon for a considerable amount as early a's September next. He might be called upon on the 13th ofSeptember, to pay all claims which are unopposed ; or, which being opposed, reference was made in regard to them to the Courts of Law. In the first case they might be called upon to pay the claims at the desire of the parties them selves, and in the second place, at the desire of the Court. So that a large past of the whole claims might be called for at—once. That, however, was not likely. Looking, there fore, at • the circumstance of this being so large an operation as a l loan of 20,000.000/. and that it was clear that it could only be, raised by distributing the instalments over a given time, and that it might happen that the amount of the instal ments paid by *loan contractors was not equal to the amount of claims made upon the West indie Compensation Cotnraissioners, it was proposed to provide for both cases, and if posilble to secure the advantage of the distribution of the instalments over a certain period, while they avoided , the inconvenience of not being prepared with funds to ' meet all the .claims' that might be rnado: It was pro posed, that in every ease where the instalMents were not sufficient to meet the amount of claims made, it shotild be the duty - of the Government to, issue a certificate or delienture onpaymentof intertsi; which should become ehargeabld on the instalments which were afterwards to be paid ; in fact, being a bill payable at thirty-one or sixty one days, as the ease might be, and redeemii' l ,l,,, oersefiq4. riods, b u t not vein: iAt.ee f Olcilfly - teinl64oring with th e Lx. It was alse pronaae,l `.l thse c ficetes or d e b entures s h ou ld b e receivu-ble:as part at pa o p - tient erti of I