The Sun. — London, England, 1835-04-08 00:00:00

What NO unheard of e at one end, ous cheering, loudest mani ble, his influ any cry that and declare Church to be Lord's reso und the loud shout. He be :l to that cry ; )n they would e interests of e blessing of rs which were vere told that m. Why did their indigna to the altar, _(, Oh, and ~ o the Catho lic ieasure should i were taunted say, that that mself had en the Hon• and s seat in that al supposition, lade, and sup ,f the propertY i?—( Cheers.) )ported by the distinguished made to him he would beg Learned Ser of Alonagbaof lie, while there solders, and in any residendt 5 correct, an Id approve .. ar 3, and sim ividual clergY Irish Church' urse of centu trned Sergeant_ th e clergy to d o with the g evinced that, to a large body 0,; f " Question' not know that ord on the Pre . is discussion, It n to discuss tbe :he six pre vious apprehend. t ha 'ouse last nigh t ' ,ord, and wile° the Commit tee lered that after )pinion reaPe s " to I determin e But iscussion. to 7 called upon Ferent charactel w hich the i on w les s mor e nor - oduce d on til l al settlem ent r foregoing resei: Aion to any sae: :ablish a P rec d he prudence_ Hear.) 15.111: ,urse whic h rst brought to j 'd then declare; ition passed,. such resolution and a Bill upT., )radaptr ada p t now d aadaptP now pro,, t, either to tire med the e° elf, an d net! nted , to not bl , ll . g o'. ) that they e o, all wh o °je t ) This is vi 1 , 1% I object, to t% I be rafire 0 % 1 :0 [at one mea s so i justmerit ° f s ue vishes to If' o ty 3 to 7aCIOP t j : t he her side ros , a Licuse- -4 l ot r e so lution 010 . hat same r es 0 05 ted bw the I f ol d the 'Noble" 1, Ply red that t he te a. tort et had 1 0 0 tJ a at the bu t w het, to ter• nu pp 1Y r oftitl d se tho .„ e ' e to; t 0 the r e DO I4 the N o ble os the m etnich gr i . air • furtee lot ea I ,use tO be a b j 'i• re shal l be ..A , n ib is t the trlist leda re ' II )1i i3lt so : 11 : of, ° e lig cussi °- • w e tly anoe d if it ttecoter; t o sal d t isfacto 11 be tb at it '''' l l . o oll 'bar t daog e . 9 the Rs' t oli gt j use " 110 bur ,or t he ,f the al ote • prope r , be M Y steal pf us s otbet. ,f eve' ° f >n . 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The House ..7 1 Q pause before it takes a step so impolitic, and at the same tim e t,ime so important ; and the reason I object to it is, be re think it would not only be unjust, but would establish a lr er°lls example for future majorities—one by which the h e ° atef Commons would be irrevocably bound. Ido not still to say that I consider the principle involved in it to be 'ss_..more dangerous than the precedent it would originate, and neither the speeches nor the explanations which I have heard t he cou rse of the debate have in the smallest degree tended Luitainish the apprehensions I, from the commencement, en- Crta_ n ined on th e su bj ect.—( Cheers.) The No b le L or d h a d asked h ow he meant to ascertain whether a surplus r'.llsted or not, and to give the House some explanation with i;esPect to his plans, and in the whole course of his observations (C had not ventured to answer either of these questions.— h a , er a.) Sir, not only are we left without plans, but we alltie'ne not even explanations which can give us the least intima ,,°f the course which the Noble Lord means to pursue; for gout Te Noble Lord tells us is that if he shall find in the that ease to appropriate the surplus to the wants and defi terr_ales of the livings in the northern counties ; but neither in nor de furs will it answer my purpose to transfer that TPins to either Down or Derry.—( Cheers. ) Now let me es,r,tliVollow out this principle of the Noble Lord: He would p ads h separate and peculiar localities, and constitute each p eo s ° as a distinct territory or division, and then inform the lie that in both the tithe and the surplus they would have l a t !ntere st . Wow, what wou be the r of interest W il li which the ld Noble Lord proposed nat inv u es e ting the people ? ....er e it would be the single and limited object of education. bli s h he el's.) If the Noble Lord's principle were ever este .ed it clearly could be applied to no other object but that ter'eta•a!ication. Now suppose that in a particular parish or a th i s . al number of parishes education was to be gratuitous, or -.p et L t o o r s d o , small . . a payment as to render a provision for it on iii e ,_Part of the State unnecessary, what would become of the of? s principle, and how was the surplus to be disposed l ets " s id he think that its transfer to Derry or to Down would be ties? sad than building churches in the northern coun- Ew -- (Cheers.) I really should like the Noble Lord to an- Imre this ergument.—( Cheers.) The Noble Lord's principle I l e e _ r stand to be this, that it would not satisfy large parishes pos_ue south of Ireland to appropriate their surpluses to pur eeer unconnected with ecclesiastical purposes, but if those w ho hwi‘c e ,nt s l ia s eig tica o l ar pu in rp g o p se s be already provided for in any other way t o _ °ea he satisfy the public? Why, by giving the surplus parish rather than to a more distant one, ,a he thinks would get rid of that peculiar hostility which thrt otherwise be evinced. I know, from actual knowledge, ikatplds that sometimes exist between neighbouring parishes, sieVan, therefore, assert that such an application of a surplus eoin;eirgive no satisfaction whatever to any party, but on the the Y Only tend to di s t ur b a nd unsettle the parish to which L, :nsfe r s h ould be made.—( Cheers) But does the Noble e a n forget t h e Bill on this subject to which he was a party ? fo r e re a he not reco ll ect t h e Bill b roug h t . i n w hil e h e h e ld o ffi ce k reL gUlatin g the Temporalities of the Church ? That !nee )4,l4,4:Passed only t wo y ear s, an d its pr e amble is at variance t ow .° whole of th e arguments on which the present resoi j u spees found e d. That Bill is the last legislative decision re dsng the Establi s h e d Ch urc h of Ir e land, and it lays down e‘ p P ri nciple the distribution of the superfluities of large lie ; aro 9rig the small, and the subject of tithes is detailed in it. la ts ,„P r inciple of that Bill, to which the Noble Lord was a Is e ,Wras directed towards the abolition of all sinecures. That ita md ,,, e ,Principl e on which the Church Temporalities Bill was Alp s w n ls and it expressly limited the appropriation of any sur closies"4,leh might be found to purposes strictly and entirely ec to t h t ical, namely, to the building and repairing of Churches, Pos es e au gmentation of small livings, and to all other pur l') en conducive to the advancement of religion, and calculated th e „ B ,°,re the stability, the extension, the permanence, and (Ch - o "utY of the united Church of England and Ireland.— e l_Pr e e ; r l 2 ' ) By this Bill, then, the ecclesiastical funds were °th e " s 'Y limited to ecclesiastical purposes, and to none 14 14 -- (Bear, hear.) What confidence, I will ask the oomdeLord and the Hon. Gentlemen who support him, what admit flee can the country repose in the resolution of to-night, po sec ing that it were passed, when it is known to be pro tot i n total and utter disregard of the provisions of a Bill te s sed by a Tory Government, not passed by the friends L om e , phurch, but carried through Parliament by the Noble th e h imself and those of his party ?—( Loud cheers.) Why, till, Ob le Lord not only has forgotten the preamble of that hear, b ut he h as a l so f orgo t ten it s enac t men t s .—( Hear, the, ) The N o bl e L or d h as s p o k en o f enormous li vings in dal O f of I re l an d , an d h as evince d great h orror o f t h e scan - N o b ' t he Chu rc h w hi c h t h ey were lik e l y to occas i on . Th e Noble Lord i n spea ki ng t h us d oes hi mse lf i n j ust i ce . Th e t k k e te Lord i s a more s i ncere Re f ormer than h e i s w illi ng to g ood credit for, and appears to be modestly oblivious of the 11 1 e az tv , ll ,ieh he has effected.—( Cheers and laughter.) . Has °ill i , ° "le Lord forgotten that in the Church Temporalities eli s ,,ge most effectual remedies were provided against the get ; Is rl ee of excessive livings ?—( Hear, hear.) Does he for aso '"at in cases of all large livings exceeding 8001. per p rtl care was taken by the provisions of that Bill to vest tow lands and parishes from such incumbencies, and attach th to neighbouring livings which might need the increase ? p ow e Noble Lord not aware that the Commissioners had a °f carry to carry this provision to any extent with the single limit aim n t tiecreasing the orieinal living below the sum of 300/. per ai e , s -r a ? If the - Noble Lord does not feel that he can effect the itte, - ; 11t e he had in view ; that he cannot remedy those overgrown th ro il les on his own principle, by means of his own Bill, and he 11 ,gh the agency of his own Commissioner, what hope has l et 15' e ffecting - it by means of an abstract resolution ? What, 41 0 113 e„ ask, will be the position of the Noble Lord, if this 1 ,""on be carr i e d a f ter a seven nights' debate ? What rish, - Lhis positio n , and what will be the effect in each pa they W hen, from th e speeches of those who spoke in its favour, ." - -(ll: tter ePt to ascertain the meaning of the resolution ? ri% Ile meaning is not to be collected from the Ye he edis e Pinions o f i ts various supporters. The Noble Lord, if Will a „" e , r e to the principle of the Church Temporalities Bill, eechL:PLY the surpl u s—when such such surplus is found—to toav-siisstical purposes ; whilst others by whom it is supported Ptiit e i n°° k upon it as of any value because it acknowledges the cse s r' e of appropriating Church property to secular pur- Hear, hear.) The Noble Gentleman the Member me t `"?Yshire, h as a ll u d e d to Henry the Eighth, as deeming s et 4filliar with the history of that period ; and he has also Wh err o o , ed rile to Macheath, in The Beggars' Opera, with I presume, he supposes me also familiar. The Hon. t i en en tl etwa _ r , u has only referred to these two—Macheath and the Eighth ; and there is no doubt that they were both too . conversant with the theory and practice of appropria ftec.-'o.Laughter.) There is, however, a difference between hi he ath and . the Noble Lord, in which Macheath showed th e L the wiser of the two, f a stfacheath never attempted . th e aP,Propriation of a surplus un fillathad discovered it, whilst la No ble Lord has yet to find his surplus out.—(Loud hi'Tis true that Macheath did not hesitate to apply po se Plus when he possessed himself of it to secular pur es'set--, (cheers and laughter)—but he never assumed the assil,;-ac onf a surplus until he had good ground for the Noba, t —(Renewed laughter.) The resolution of the ,;,ieord, though of a seemingly general character, is, after tetiZtto apply fo the several parishes ; for when the speech i'eble Cord is read by those whom the resolution will li k " , it will be found to be not national but parochial—(hear, Aland so far from being calculated to promote peace in th e d,it will be attended with contrary results. It will have uoe x ,effect of inducing Protestant landlords to endeavour to a d their influence on the one hand by only encouraging n el Us of tenantry; and as the existence of a living will ata ll o e— upon numbers, there will be a constant struggle the-a a gst th e par i s hi oners of the various parishes in counting Isientiber of souls and ascertaining the exact amount. It li o ,„ sa erease the acrimony of sectarian differences, and set the io t ,'",an Catholic clergy to work on the one side in endeavour- Is e °,o snake the number of Protestants seem less, whilst it will ta' it i t "e interest of the Protestants expectant on the other to ktto e , L ther ° appear greater. Thus there will be endless squabbles sari the exact amount of the number entitling the parish to the ta;" e f lise of a clergyman, and which number the Noble Lord tee orgotten to settle. By carryiog the resolution into .„ e n you make it the interest ef the Protestant landlord to ;avour as much as possible to procure a Protestant te lahrYL and thereby to retain upon Ins own property that sur ‘,7, Which, because of the want of a congregation, would be srPropriated to some other parish. There is another point of t t ; e , W which the question must be looked at. It has been k rial that the Church property belongs to the parish. Now,. o `Zi sa se a surplus in any particular parish, and that the parish not require its being appropriated to education—if every a e irje of education we re already answered—if there was a th c ,:in maintained by the Frotestant clergymen sufficient for ' of that persuasion—ifthere were also a school established il l th e Board of Education, with which the Roman Catholics e-`t s atisfied and that it was proposed to appropriate the sur tS to the purposes of education, would not the parishioners p.hlrarranted in saying, " What interest is it to us 2 . We have f 4 . ; ° els already —schools calculated to afford our children su - ` 4 ,1 e7 1t education. But with regard to this surplus, you have . inittc'd it to be ours, you have established our interest in it 'We it, and will not be satisfied to have it devoted to ;m y.. an. shZurpose but such an conduces to our service. "—( Hear.) I now advert to the speech of the Hon. and Learned heMber for Cashel, who, however, does not agree with the r e . ° a• Member for Derbyshire, who, from the mode of argu -ciat which he adopted, might be assumed to be opposed t d o I n ational establishments ; for the Hon. Gentleman seemed t that th e L e gislature should be indifferent as to this or 104 religion, and that truth would thus be better enabled to Ik a i k its way. This might or might not be a good principle, 't i a principle opposed to all establishments. The Hon. Isa rl Le s th e eared Member for Cashel admits that it is the duty of o f Legislatu re to prov id e f or the due and decent performance ti o t ulat religious worship which it admits to be true. The ri s , ts ', and Learned Gentleman has adduced the ease of a pa ji„;" in Monaghan where there are but four Protestant farni- L so - e s i a . nd he said that he was . of opinion provision should be ora tor the public worship of those families. The Noble aZ i) ,, rd .PPeared to be in doubt where there were ten families in ' r at 'sn, for though he said he did not know whether, in that I nsta nee, he would make provision for them, he had stated he IsOuld not deprive them, if already provided for. Now the KV. and Learned Member for Cashel says that he would cake provision for the four families in Monaghan, not by '?;iving• them a rector at 700/. per annum,. and a curate at but by , llowing them a good and efficient clergyman at 661.Leari~ v Wliy, Sir, in this estimate the Hon. and d e G eo . t t sgres a and I are nearly alike. The sum of 184`:. is a w i se an d a liberal allowance for a parish con. .ing not snore thin four Protestant families , and yet l a not but to be the gym. graded for 'glen four only, bol and an assurance to others, that if they resided in the parish and conformed to the worship of the Established Church the means of religious instruction and consolation would be afforded to them.—( Cheers.) Concurring thus far as the Hon. and Learned Gentleman does with me, I will ask him when he divides the amount of Church property between every parish in Ireland which has four Protestant families, where will be the surplus ?—( Cheers.) What sum will he have to give practical effect to the principle of the resolution which he advocates ?—( Loud cheers.) He takes 2501. as the minimum provision which ought to be made in any parish having but a small number of Protestant inhabitants. But if I agree with him in this, will not the Hon. and Learned Gentleman agree with me also, that in large, and populous, and wealthy towns, having a Protestant population of 1,000 and upwards—will he not agree with me that a higher income will be necessary, if it, were only for the purpose of enabling the Clergyman to exercise that influence upon the higher classes which he ought to possess, and to maintain his family in a respectable and be coming manner.--( Hear, hear.) Taking 2501., then, as the minimum, and allowing that there should be an increase with the increase of duty to the proportion of the population, there is no arithmetic which will work out a surplus. I object to the parochial part of the observations of the Hon. and Learned Member, but I agree with him in his desire to re move all abuses. lam as desirous as he of maintaining the efficiency of the Ministry.—( Cheers.) I care not who the rector may be who spends a large income apart from the living from which it is raised. lam ready to subject his conduct to some episcopal authority ; I am desirous of amending the law upon this point ; and I am content to compel the Ministers of the Church of Ireland not to spend the money in other coun tries which they raise out of that.—( Cheers.) The measure which it is the intention of his Majesty's Government to pro pose has this for its object, and if it passes into a law this will be one of the conditions of the Bill ; but I am not prepared to say that the parish itself has a vested right in the tithes, which only belong to the Church.—( Hear, hear.) If this doctrine of the tithes belonging to the parishes be allowed to obtain, what will become of the appropriate tithes ? Will not the parish have a right to complain if its claim to these also be not admitted ? Do they belong neither to the parish nor to the Church ? How will the Hon. and Learned Gentleman defend the lay impropriations if they were granted for the use of the parish, and separate from the portion set apart for spiritual instruction. Mr. Sergeant PERRIN made some remark across the table which we did not catch. Sir R. PEEL—The Hon. and Learned Gentleman says that he does not defend them, but that they are protected to their possessors by length of time. He pleads prescription.-- ( Hear, hear.) Is there nothing in a prescription of 300 years ?—( Loud cheers.) The Church can assuredly plead the same right upon a similar title.--( Hear, hear.) The object of the proposition now before you is not so much to assert the principle contained in the resolution as to obstruct the passing of the Tithe Bill which the Government is about to submit to the House._( Loud cheers.) The object of the reso lution is in reality to notify in a most unusual manner, in a manner wholly without precedent, the determination of those who support it not to permit you to pass the Bill which Go vernment is about to submit to you. It is saying, in other words, " We will not allow you to discuss it in Committee, but will propose this resolution, which will preclude the pos sibility of your proceeding with the measure, and signify to you, by our majority upon this resolution, our determination not to suffer a Tithe Bill to be passed upon the principle an nounced by you." Sir, I object to the principle which the resolution maintains. I object to the introduction of such a resolution in the absence of all necessary information upon the subject. I object to it, because it proceeds upon erroneous data, and without any means afforded to us of ascertaining with anything like precision the amount of the property of the Church, or the degree and quantity of education which the ima ginary surplus is demanded to supply.—(Cheers.) It is not known whether the Church property is 200,0001. or 50,0001., and yet without any knowledge of this, without knowing the revenues of the Church, without knowing the demand to be made upon the surplus mentioned in the resolution, without •ven knowing whether there is a surplus, we are called upon to adopt a principle which has no limit.—( Cheers.) I shall now advert to a topic which has not been before touched upon in this discussion. But first I must call your attention to the fact that we propose to give up a fourth of the Church property to justify the rent charge, which will amount to the sum of 136,0001. Now, the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Staffordshire, and the late Secretary for Ireland, said the other night that he would not consent to any measure which was not as favourable to the landlords of Ireland as the Bill of last year; and that when any measure came on he would insist on such terms. The Right Hon. Baronet here entered into a calculation, to show that by the proposed reduction the pro perty of the Church, which he insisted was not more than 550,0001., would be lessened by the sum of 218,000/., and thus reduced to 327,0001. Thus, continued the Right Honourable Baronet, you see how rapidly the Noble Lord's sum of 800,000/. comes to be reduced. If the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Staffordshire will not agree to any measure which does not hold out the great premium to the Irish land lord which the Bill of 1834 would confer upon them the 600,0001. of the Noble Lord will be at once reduced to the sum of 327,000/.—( Hear, hear.) To those who are inclined to press the resolution of the Noble Lord I would only say, you may succeed in carrying the resolution—you may gain a temporary triumph, but can it be a good triumph on a ques tion upon which you are possessed of sa little and such erroneous information? If you are a majority I would beg of you to contemplate what will be the result of your success. If you are accessible to reason I am confident you must see the injustice of your proceeding. It is unjust to the Church —it is unfitted to the object which you profess to have in view —it will not be sufficient to satisfy the country—and there is no necessity for your proceeding in it, ignorant as you are of the facts and information upon which such a resolution should be founded.---( Cheers.) We have called for the returns; in three days we might be able to procure them. You reject information. You proceed, ignorant of the amount of the suns to whose appropriation you pledge yourselves. Not knowing the extent of the wants for which you propose to provide you blindly pledge yourselves to an abstract principle, and you will listen to nothing but the resolution by which you will become bound.—( Loud cheers.) Ido not hesitate to say that. happen what may, be the issue what it will, I will not adopt your principle. (Loud cheers.) The expectation which you have created in bringing forward this resolution you never can realize. The resolution cannot take effect until the existing interests cease—not until the present incumbents are no more. This seven days' debate, the promulgation of this principle, what will it effect, what advantage can accrue from it ? When it is told in the South of Ireland that the relief which this resolution is intended to afford to them will depend on the lives of the clergy in the south of Ireland, do you think that it will be calculated to render the peasantry more satisfied, or to soothe their disap pointment? ( Hear, hear.) Sir, we know that amongst those who are supposed to be laden with superfluous wealth there are many enduring the deepest distress, and if there be a surplus (which will be found to be the contrary), no claim to that surplus could in truth or in justice come into competi tion with the claims of resident Ministers, who were deprived of their tithes, and left without the means of subsistence.— ( Loud cheers.) Ido not concur in the resolution. lam free from all responsibility attached to it, but if it should pass, I move that the first claims to be allowed under it, if there should be any division, shall be the claims of those who have suffered in their vested interests by the non-payment of their tithes, and who suffered in patient acquiescence.—( Cheers.) If these men come to you with such claims, can you resist them? If they come to you and say, " We have families—we were al ways resident in the place set apart for the performance of our duties—we performed these duties"—if such an appeal be made, I ask of all those who call for a change not to keep a shilling from those men of that which is their own property, and which they consented to forego because they shrunk from having recourse to the means by which alone they could enforce its payment.—( Cheers.) Will you divert from these men any portion of that which is their proved right and their admit ted vested interest ? I shall read to the House, and it is only one out of many such—a letter which I have received from a Clergyman of the south of Ireland, and I bring forward this individual case, because I think it well calculated to show the extent of the suffering which has been endured by many worthy, respectable, and exemplary individuals. The letter, which is written with great simplicity, is on that account only the more affecting. The Right Hon. Baronet then proceeded to read the letter, in which the writer begged to suggest the propriety of creating a fund for the purpose of rendering as sistance to the widows and orphans of clergymen, and he urged as a reason that he and others were unable, in consequence of the contemplated reduction of their incomes, to adopt the usual mode of provision by effecting insurances on their lives. He goes on to state that he effected a composition with his pa rishioners in 1832, at a sacrifice of 1501. per annum, thereby re ducing the value of his living from 5801. to 4301. By the pro posed Bill—and yet, continued the Right Hon. Baronet, he calls us friends, and says he is satisfied with the measure—by the proposed Bill his income would be further reduced from 430/. to 322/. 10s. Here (continued the Right Hon. Baronet) is a man who, notwithstanding the reduction which has already taken place in his income, and notwithstanding the further reduction which is contemplated, does not breathe a murmur of (liFeontent after his forty years of labour, but on the contrary he expresses his conviction that Government has for its object the welfare of the Church, and who says that, were the wi dows and orphans of the Clergy provided for, they would con sider all else as trivial. The letter was accompaned by a prize poem, written by one of his sons, which proved how excellently his education was attended to. Is not this man, with ten children, with an income already reduced, and a further reduction contemplated by us, and yet contriving, out of his slender income, so excellent an education—is not he, and are not such as he, most worthy objects of that appropria tion contemplated by the resolution? Is it these men—such men as this, whose minds and hearts are attempered by piety, and watered by a love for erudition—men in whom the love for the cultivation of all the social relations is so vivid, and so pregnant with charitable good, and wholesome results — t h e ve t er an inculcators of religion and of morals —the frugal dis pensers of an humble fortune for the promotion of noble ends —the kind and faithful husbands and parents—the friends of learning, and the promoters of the kindly feeling of social life —I say, Sir, is it such men the Noble Lord and his party are to immolate, for the purpose of forcing their factious and dan gerous resolution on the country ?—( Cheers.) But, Sir, of the consequence of their own desperate course it seems the Hon. Gentlemen opposite reek not, provided they can achieve a victory. Such, at least, will be the opinion entertained by the great majority of the reflecting people of the empire. It is not the resolution which will have the effect of appropria ting a surplus of the revenues of the Church to the education of the Irish people ; but it is the principle we discuss. Sir, it is on that ground I discuss this question. It is this princi ple which, if sanctioned, will carry " swift destruction" to the Irish Church Establishment, and will bear other fatal con sequences in its train that we are to look to. It is this prin- THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 8, 1835. ciple I resist.—( Cheers.) It is not the withdrawing of a certain limited sum from the Church for the purposes of edu cation, or the application of this sum, but it is the principle, the element of the right of transfer, that I think dangerous, and which will fall with disastrous consequences upon the very vitality of the Irish Church, and be the forerunner of invasion on other property.—( Cheers.) Sir, I maintain quite a dif ferent principle from the Noble Lord and his incongruous body of adherents.—( Cheers.) The principle for which I contend—yes, and for which I am sure the rank, the mind, and property of the country will contend—is a principle that has been most uniformly, most strenuously, and most un flinchingly contended for by the men most eminent in point of talent, and most distinguished for their bold and persevering efforts for the removal of civil distinctions and civil disabilities. If I take a survey of the men since the first discussions of the Catholic question who have been most famed for their genius and erudition, and laboured most effectively to procure jus tice and equality for all classes of the people, men who were the most prominent and the most powerful in pulling down ascendancy and monopoly—l find all these boldly and positively contending for the maintenance of the Pro testant Establishment.—( Hear, hear.) They contended for it on the grounds of policy and justice.—( Loud cheers from the Ministerial side.) Burke, while in the full ness of his attachment to the cause of well-regulated liberty. and in his sympathy for his proscribed countrymen, supported the propriety of removing the disabilities of the Catholics, and every other disability that affected any class of the people, yet laid it down as a distinct and unalterable principle, that the Protestant Establishment should be upheld. Lord Plunket, who did mot,: than any other man by the force of his vast ta lents, by his legal 1:n owledge, and his perseverance, power, and skill as a debater anU do advocate, to advance the success of the Catholic cause, declareu :bet an Established Church in Ireland was necessary, and, in his own forcible language, he said " the ruin of the Establishment would seal the fate of the Union."—(Renewed cheers.) But Lord Plunket was not alone. Sir J. Newport ; with talents inferior, but with a fidelity as tried, a devotion as strong, and a zeal as warm in the cause of the emancipation of the Irish Catholics as Lord Plunket, and with an enthusiasm, too, in the cause of liberty as great as Burke, maintained the same doctrine, and avowed the same opinions. This venerable advocate of the Irish Catholics pre sided at a meeting in the city of Waterford, when he gave his sanction to a resolution which declared that, " after making a suitable provision for the curates, and providing for the build ing and repairs of churches, the revenues of the Church were not more than necessary for its wants."--(Loud cheering.) Such were the opinions of Sir J. Newport, who diligently examined the whole state and property of the Church, and I think he will be thought no mean authority on the subject. But, Sir, this is not all. I have another authority as distin guished, as indisputable, and as genuine as either. I have the dying declaration of the celebrated Grattan. I have this de claration, not as the sudden and fleeting remark of a great man, but as his written and published testimony to the value of the Protestant Church and the propriety of maintaining it. I recollect the debate on the Catholic question, after the death of that great man, and I shall beg to quote to the House the dying declaration that he had written, and which was used on that occasion. It refers to resolutions which he intended to have moved in the House if his life were spared, and to the conditions on which they were to be based. The resolutions were not moved—and the declaration is merely to be consi dered as a testamentary document showing the opinions of that eminent man of the utility of the Church established in Ireland, and the propriety of upholding it. The Right Hon. Baronet read the document, which was to this effect :—That he asked Providence to spare his life to give him an oppor tunity of recommending the appointment of a Committee of the House to remove the disabilities of the Roman Catholics —but that the repeal of such disabilities be made with a regard to the maintenance of the Protestant religion of Ireland. It concluded by saying, " I die with the love of liberty in my breast, and those resolutions in my heart."—( Cheers.) Such was the dying testimony of Grattan in favour of the Irish Church ; and will you (speaking to the Opposition) dis regard it ?—( Cheers.) Look, I warn you, to what you are about to do ; you are entering on new scenes, and broaching bold and strange principles. To these scenes and those principles there will be—for there can be—no limitation, no check, but in the destruction of the Protestant Church.—( Cheers.) I, Sir, am not unconscious of the diffi culties of the present time. I see well the embarrassments that surround us. I see the erroneous and vicious doctrines respecting property that are beginning to be set afloat. I see the busy spirits that are at work to unsettle the public mind and heave the nation. I would, then, most unfeignedly labour to remove those difficulties, and produce general security and repose; and I shall make every effort consistent with honour and public principle, and a regard for the public interest, to retain the post to which the favour of the Sovereign has called me.—( Cheers.) But neither honour, nor duty, nor my regard for the public interest, and the maintenance of the Union, on which depend the integrity and stability of the empire, tell me I can sanction the pernicious principle involved in these frau dulent resolutions.—( Cheers.) I think I shall expose the coun try to less difficulty, and the State to less alarm, by refusing to adopt them.—(l,oncl cheers.) I refuse to adopt them from an imperious sense of dily, from the h7d doctrine they broach, and the fatal ends they will lead to ; and in this refusal I have the support of great authority.—( Cheers. ) On the high grounds then of duty and the public welfare, and on the authority of the greatest and the wisest of our statesmen, the friend of liberty and the Censtitotion—Burke--on the autho rity of Plunket t the untiring and able champion of Catholic Emancipai ion—tin the authority of Newport, the old and con sistent advocate of the Irish people ; and on the authority of the dying declaration of the illustrious Grattan, the father of his country, I proclaim to this House and the empire that, come what mav, I shall be no party to the principle of the reso lution of the Noble Lord. (The Right Hon. Baronet resumed his seat amidst the most enthusiastic cheering, which lasted several minutes.) Mr. SPRING RICE rose amidst loud cries of " Divide I" and called upon the House to inquire whether the Right Hon. Baronet had put the question on which they were about to de cide upon its fair and just ground ? It was not fairly stated of those on his side of the House, that they had precipitated the decision of the question ; nor had the Right Hon. Baronet fairly assumed that any reproach ought to be cast upon them for calling upon the House to decide upon it in the absence of information which might afterwards be afforded. The ques tion had been mentioned in the early part of the session. One of the earliest notices given was that of his Noble Friend, which was given even before the Right Hon. Gentleman an nounced his intention of introducing a Tithe Bill. His Noble Friend was then informed that the report was not forthcoming, and so anxious was he for information, that he asked for any which could be furnished. He had at length come forward with his motion, when it was forced on him, by the introduc tion, on the part of the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland, of the Tithe Bill. Those with whom he ( Mr. S. Rice) then acted had stated on that occasion, that the resolution which the Right Hon. Gentleman then proposed, did, in point of fact, affirm the present question against them. If they could, they would have been willing to wait for the report of the Commissioners, because what was matter of inference now, would have been matter of certainty then. The Right Hon. Gentleman had charged them with the necessity of proving the existence of a surplus, and then had taxed them with wanting evidence to establish that point. He (Mr. S. R.) would repeat again what he formerly urged, that as long as there were parishes in Ireland, in which clergy were endowed without having any duty to perform—he wanted not to go into any further calculations on the subject--there was at once suffi cient ground for declaring that these church sinecures were sinecures which ought to be abolished. There was no safety for the Church in Ireland, while they existed. They were advancing no new opinions, and maintaining no new doctrines ; they had not taken their present position for the purpose of harrassing the existing Government.—( Oh, oh !) It was pos sible that some Gentlemen, who were not Members of the late Parliament, might doubt that declaration ; those who were Members of that Parliament need only be reminded of the principles laid down by his Noble Friend Lord Al thorp, in the late session, on the 2d of June, and which coincided, in every essential particular, with the course which had been taken by them on his (Mr. Spring Rice's) side of the House. " Church property;" said that Noble Lord, " is trust property ; and if such property is greater than is necessary for accomplishing that trust, if it is greater than is necessary for the maintenance of the Established Church or for the benefit of Ireland, I think that, so far from injuring the interests of the Established Church, the applying of part of that property to the religious and moral education of the people, will tend quite as much, if not a great deal more, to promote the interests of the Protestant religion, than the ruainicl. in which that property is now applied. It would be quite impossible for any one who compared these sentiments with the resolution before tan House to suppose that those who brought forward that resolution could be actuated by any motives of faction, The Right Hon. Baronet said also that they had anticipated the Tithe Bill, and pre maturely brought on a discussion which they might have taken in the Committee on that Bill. Whose fault was it that they were not then discussing that Bill ? They had tendered their support to the Right Hon. Gentleman when he brought in the resolution: , en which the Bill was to be founded ; and was it fair for the Right Hon. Gentleman to suspend that measure from the 20th March to the ith April, and then tax those with whom he (Mr. S. Rice) acted with anticipating it. The Right Hon. Baronet said that the course which they had taken was unprecedented. There had been much in the course of the present Session which was unprecedented, and which called. on them to take their stand.--( Hear, hear.) He belieVed that the present proposition had been brought forward with the former Government still in power. If the Honourable Member for St. Albans (Mr. Ward) had proposed a resolution to this effect, he believed that the sense of the late House of Commons would have carried that resolution against the late Government. But looking to the resolution itself, if it were true, surely it was right for the House of Commons to icy down as a preliminary principle of legislation, that which they believed to be essential to the Tithe Bill. It was not for him to make any observations on the concluding declaration of the Right Hon. Baronet ; be could assure him that in the whole course of his proceeding in respect to the present question. the last thing that entered into his contemplation was the making it a party question.—(oh, oh ; hear, hear.) If those Gentlemen who appeared to dis sent from that declaration wished to hold out, by so dissenting, that the House was to be fettered in the just and legitimate exercise of their own powers, for the purpose of securing the present or any other Goverriment—[hear, hear)—if, in this Reformed Parliament, they entert tined such an opi nion, they did not rightly understand the legitimate alle giance of political friends--they did not understand the fair performance of duty on the part of those dis , connected with them. There were weightier interests connected with this question than the existence of any one Government.—( Loud cries of " Hear," from both sides.) He . believed that as firmly as any of the Gentlemen on the oppo . site side, who cheered; and they might, perhaps, cheer again, when he told them that the first and the chief of those inte rests he considered to be the maintenance, in due proportion, of the means of giving religious instruction to the Protestants of Ireland. He did not disregard the inconvenience—the pos sible dangers connected with this or any other proposition on the subject; but were there, let him ask, no existing dangers or difficulties? Was the preaent state of Church property-- under which the Right Hon. Gentleman himself told them they could not undertake the recovery of tithes without force— was that free from all inconvenience or peril? The Right Hon. Gentleman had quoted authorities in Irish history, to which he (Mr. S. Rice) and his friends paid the greatest respect ; but those authorities were rather the authorities of the names of those great individuals than of their actual opinions; in this latter view they were his (Mr. S. Rice's) authorities, and he called on the House in their names to assist him, and those with whom he acted, in main taining the Irish Church. He took the liberty of saying that, as a Protestant, he considered education to be a strictly Protestant purpose; and believing, as he did, that the religion which he professed was the true one, he believed also that the progress of knowledge must be most conducive to its diffusion. Give him in one parish an effective schoolmaster, and in ano ther a sinecure clergyman without a flock, and he should be disposed to look for more beneficial results in the former than in the latter case. The Right Hon. Gentleman then sat down, and loud cries of " Divide 1" immediately resounded throughout the House ; in the midst of which Mr. HARDY put a question to Lord John Russell, which the Noble Lord answered. Both the question and the reply were inaudible. The House then divided— For the motion Against it 258 Majority . —27 The announcement of the numbers was received with loud cheers. MUTINY BILLS. The Reports of the Mutiny Bill and of the Marine Mutiny Bill were brought up and agreed to, and the Bills were ordered to be real a third time this day. On the motian of Mr. BROTHERTON, the House adjourned at half-past one o'clock this morning. FROM LAST NIGHT'S GAZETTE. FOREIGN OFFICE, APRIL 70835: The King has been pleased to appoint the Right Honourable Sir Charles Bagot, G. C. 8., to bear his Majesty's congratulations to the Emperor of Austria, on his Imperial Majesty's accession to the Throne. His Majesty has also been pleased to appoint the Honourable Charles Ashburnham, sometime attached to his Majesty's Em bassy at Paris, to be Secretary to his Majesty's Legation to the United Mexican States. DOWNING-STREET, APRIL 2. The King has been pleased to appoint Sir Richard Plasket, Knight Commander of the Most Distinguished Order of St. Mi chael and St. George, to be his Majesty's Civil Commissioner to take possession of the island of St. Helena on behalf of his Ma jesty, and to administer the civil affairs of the said island. LORD CHAMBERLAIN'S OFFICE, APRIL 2. The Lord Chamberlain of his Majesty's Household has appointed Robert Innes, of Wargrave, in the County of Berks, Esq., one of the Gentlemen of his Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Chamber in Ordinary. WHITEHALL, APRIL 6. The King has been pleased to grant to the Rev. Henry Hart Milman. A.M., the place and dignity of a Prebendary of the Col legiate Church of St. Peter, Westminster, void by the death of the Rev. Evelyn Levett Sutton. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Oxford. Watlington Division Troop of Oxfordshire Yeomanry Cavalry. W. S. Blackstone, Gent., to be Cornet, March 31. DECLARATIONS OF INSOLVENCY. WILLIAM GORTON, provision -merchant, Gutter-lane. THOMAS HARVIE, ship-owner, Jerusalem Coffee-house, London. BANKRUPTS. JAMES RUDDOCK, livery stable-keeper, Ring-street, Port man-square, Middlesex, to surrender April 13, at one, and May 19, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Ch€ll, Clement's Inn, Strand; Clark, St. Swithin's-lane, Lombard-street. EDWARD WILLIAM GRATWICK, tea-dealer, Goswell street, April 16, and May 19, at eleven, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Abbott, official assignee ; Mitchell and Hill, New London street, Fenchurch-street, London. EDWARD RUSSELL and WILLIAM PHILIP MAS TERS CROFT, tobacconists, New Tothill-street, Westminster, April 16, at ten, and May 19, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Dignam, King-street, Holborn ; Whitmore, Basinghall-street, offi cial assignee. JOHN MORRIS, sen., and JOHN MORRIS, jun., auc tioneers, Upper St. Martin's-lane, April 15, at one, and May 19, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Reynolds, Golden-square, London ; Cannan, Sambrook-court, Basinghall-street, official as signee. _ . ✓ CHARLES SALSBURY, hatter, Hull, April 25, and May 19, at three, at the Commissioners' Rooms. Adlington, Gregory, Faulkner, and Follett, Bedford-row, London ; Makinson, Man chester. RICHARD DY SON, tailor, Gloucester-street, Queen-square, Middlesex, April 14, and May 19, at eleven, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Green, Aldermanbury, official assignee; Taylor and Co., James-street, Bedford-row. FRANCIS PAUL COUCH, horse-dealer, Launceston, Corn wall, April 24, and May 19, at eleven, at the Queen's Head Inn, Bodmin. Smith, Chancery-lane, London ; Bligh, Bodmin, Corn wall. JAMES MORRIS, ironmonger, Carmarthen, April 16, and Mhy 19, at one, at the Commercial Rooms, Bristol. Trehern and White, Leadenhall-street, London ; Wingate, Bristol. JOHN BALLENY, farmer, Tynemouth, Northumberland, April 29, at eleven, and May 19, at one, at thy; Bankrupt Commis sion Room, Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Lowrey, Pinner's Hall-court, Brood-street, London. DIVIDENDS. J. Kingsley, sheep jobber, Holme, Bedfordshire, April 28, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcv—W. Youatt, druggist, Nassau street, Middlesex Hospital, April 28, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy—J. Revett, stage coach proprietor, Colchester, Essex, April 28, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy—J. Wild, haber dasher, Rathbone-place, Oxford-street, April 30, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy—J. Richardson and T. Want, builders, Bar bican, April3o, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy—W. B. Gad bury, woollen draper, Leadenhall-street, April 29, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy—W. B. Edridge, coachmaker, Long-acre, April 29, at half-past eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy—J. S. Rains, merchant, Wapping-wall, April 30, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy—T. Field, flour-factor, Mornington-place Camber well New-road , May 4, a t twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy— G. W. Farmer, jeweller, Tavistock- street, Covent-garden, May 4, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy—T. Anderton, merchant, Liverpool, May 11, at twelve, at the Clare n d on R ooms, Li verpoo l — J. Lunn and J. Walton, ship and insurance brokers, Newcastle upon-Tyne, April 30, at eleven, at the George Inn, Newcastle upon-Tyne—J. B. Hayton, broker, Kingston-upon-Hull, May 1, at eleven, at the Kingston Hotel, Kingston -upon-Hull—S. Mason, liquor merchant, Liverpool, May 1, at twelve, at the Clarendon Rooms, Liverpool—P. Leather, fustian manufacturer, Newton-in the-Willows and Manchester, May 1, at two, at the ommissioners' Rooms, Manchester—M. E. Burnard, dealer, Bideford, May 5, at six, at the Fortescue Arms Inn, Barnstaple—W. Kadwell, victual ler, Weston, Somersetshire, April 30, at eleven, at'the White Hart Inn, Bath—T. B. Hawkins, plumber and glazier, Stafford, May 1, at twelve, at the Talbot Arms Inn, Rugeley—J.Whitten, merchant, Liverpool, May 2, at one, at the Clarendon Rooms, Liverpool—A. Jones, draper, Aberystwith, Cardiganshire, April 30, at one, at the Commissioners' Rooms, Manehester—J.W. Barlow, coal merchant, Liverpool, May 9, at one, at the Clarendon Rooms, Liverpool—T. Benson, Bishop Wearmouth, Durham, April 29, at twelve, at the Londonderry Arms, Bishop Wearmouth—J. Hone, hatter, North ampton, May 5, at one, at the Wheat Sheaf Inn, Daventry— Scho field, grocer, Holdham and Heywood,May 4, at eleven, at the office of Mr. Payne, Liverpool. CERTIFICATES.—ApriI 28. J. Paul, bookseller, Paternoster-row—W. Chapman, timber merchant, Allensmore, Herefordshire—N. J. Lyons, master ma riner, Elizabeth-place, White Horse-place, Stepney—G. Shoo bridge, tailor, Cheapside—J. M. Machin, wine-merchant, Water loo-place, Pall-mall--H. D. Eggleton, coal merchant, Paradise wharf—'l'. Mansell, grocer, Stourbridge, Worcestershire—.S. But tenshaw, tea dealer, Holborn-bridge. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. C. Gent and R. Smeeton, silk-manufacturers, Congleton, Ches ter—J. Bradley and W. Parker, woollen-manufacturers, Brearley Mill, Halifax, Yorkshire--A. Barton and H. P. Stephens, mil liners, Holles-street—R. James and W. Wesbury, silk-mercers, Union-street, Bristol—J. Southam and NV. H. Browne, coal dealers, Manchester—J. Sutcliffe and J. Roome, machine-makers, Bradford, Yorkshire—G. Whitehouse and Co., fellmongers, York —M. Furniss and Z. M. Parkes, carpenters, Crown-street, Soho— R. Routledge and C. Orrah, linen-drapers, Huddersfield—B. Wes ton and C. Allen, tape-manufacturers, Hanley, Staffordshire—J. Mabson and Co., gunmakers, Birmingham—R. Longdon and S. Holmes, silk-hosiers, Derby—W. and J. Lace, printers, Liverpool —S. C. Turner and J. Barker, surgeons, Blackmore, Essex—G. Tayleur and Co., merchants, New Orleans—W. Wilson and J. Armstead, screw-boltmakers, Oldham—C. Dalton and B. Ham mond, die-sinkers, Birmingham—C. W. Finzel and H. Braden, sugar-bakers, Bristol—J. Marsden and Co., common carriers, Manchester, (so far as regards L. Marsden)—T. Ashmore and F. Smalpage, merchants, Cornhill—G. Thearle and S. Noakes, com mon brewers, Charlotte-street, Fitzroy-square—J. Knott and Co., alebrewers, Stockport, Cheshire (so far as regards J. G. Walker)-- W. J. Pleydell and C. L. Elliott, public accountants, Bristol. COURT FOR THE RELIEF OF INSOL- VENT DEBTORS. The Matters of the Petitions and Schedules of the Prisoners hereinafter named (the same having been filed in the Court) are appointed to be heard at the Court-house, in Portugal street, Lincoln's Inn-fields, on Monday, the 9th day of April, 1835, at Nine o'clock in the Forenoon. Mowbray, S., Globe-street, High-street, Wapping, mariner. Page, T., Marsham-street, Westminster, victualler. Henderson, J., Albany-terrace, Old Brentford, grocer. Hobbs, J., Shap-street, Pearson-street, Haggerstone, shoemaker. Bonner, J., Upper Holloway, Islington, retailer of water. Moss, 8., Gravel-lane, Houndsditch, cap-maker. Israel, M., Gravel-lane, Houndsditch, cap maker. Dodd, M., Houndsditch, merchant's clerk. Cox, 8., St. John-street-road, jeweller. Osborne, J., Whitfield-street, Shoreditch, carpenter. Izzard, R., Gun-alley, White's Grounds, Bermondsey, dyer. Pontey, J., Kirkgate, Huddersfield, grocer. Rumour asserts that a certain Dowager Countess, noted for her wit and beauty, is about to be united to the younger brother of a noble house, a Captain in the Guards. A warrant from the Poor Law Commissioners has been received by the officers of Alton for uniting 18 parishes. THE COURT JOURNAL.—This celebrated oracle of fashion we understand will, from the present time, be eon ducted principally under the superintendance of some persons of high rank, who will have the powerful co-operation of their numerous friends, so that this popular journal may be expected in future to excite a still degree of interest in the beau monde. The last number gives some very shrewd remarks on the corn parative rank and discriminative acknowledgement of foreign nobility in England. CORK_MARKF,TS. 7 -April . 4. Wheat (per 205t.)...15s Od. t 09.15. 0(1. Oats (per 14st.) los. 6d. to 13s. 6(1 Barley (per 165t.)...12 0 14 6 `Flour per cwt) 5 0 15 0 Oatmeal (per cwt.) 1 s. Od. to 14s. (Id. Beef, sd. to hd. ; Mutton, sd. to N. ; Veal, (id. to tad. ; Pork, 2d. to lid. ; Fresh Butter, 10(1. to 12c1. per lb. PRICE OF BUTTER. To thc.. Merchants. To the Countr! First Quality Second FO 7l Third Fourth ' - .6 47 Fifth 4O .. 3l Sixth '3O COURT CIRCULAR. The King gave audiences yesterday to Sir Robert Peel, Lord Wharncliffe, and Baron d'Ompteda, the Hanoverian Minister. _ _ The Queen honoured Mr. Burford's Panorama of Jerusalem with a visit yesterday. Her Majesty and suite arrived in Lei cester-square in two of the Royal carriages. The Queen was attended by Lady Clinton and Miss Hudson, as Lady and Maid of Honour in Waiting, Earl Howe, the Earl of Denbigh, Hon. Mr. Ashley, and Mr. Hudson. Her Majesty remained a considerable time at the exhibition. The Landgravine of Hesse Homburg (attended by Mdlle. Styne), the Earl and Countess Brownlow, Lord Byron, Lord and Lady Frederick Fitzclarence, Lady Clinton, Sir George Seymour, and Colonel Bowater, dined with their Majesties last evening at St. James's Palace. Dr. James Clark has been appointed by the Duchess of Kent her Royal Highness's Physician in Ordinary, in the place of the late Dr. Maton. A Cabinet Council was held yesterday afternoon at the Foreign Office, which was attended by all the Cabinet Minis ters. The Council sat two hours. The Duke of Cumberland and the Duchess of Gloucester visited their Majesties yesterday. Count Pozzo di Borgo, the Russian Ambassador ; M. de Moraes Sarmento, the Portuguese Minister ; and' General Alava, the Spanish Minister, visited the Duke of Wellington yesterday at the Foreign Office. Earl Amherst bad an interview with the Earl of Aberdeen, yesterday, at the Colonial Office. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. LONDON MARKETS. (From the London New Price Current.) SUGAR.—The market for West India Sugar was heavy last week, the purchases did not exceed 2000 hhds. and trs., the prices were a shade lower. The estimated sales by private contract this day are only 400 hhds. and trs., the prices without variation. The stock of West India is now 14,016 hhds. and trs., being 3535 more than last year. The stock of Mauritius 93,897 bags, being 5576 more than last year. The delivery of West India 2495 hhds. and trs., being 856 more than last year. The delivery of Mauritius 7842 bags, being 327 more than the corresponding week of 1834. In re fined there was little alteration last week, the market prices were well supported, and the supply of goods still scanty, fine crashed 335. 6d. This afternoon the Refined Market is heavy and rather lower, fine crushed, the short price 335. 3d., and the long price 745. 3d. MAURITIUS.-The public sales of Mauritius Sugars last week, went off with langour, and the prices could not be supported, ex cept by the brokers taking in a considerable proportion of the Su gars offered for sale, in consequence of this little alteration in the prices could be stated. The public sale this afternoon 3920 bags went off very heavily, and rather lower, but the reduction in prices was prevented by a considerable proportion being taken in ; the qualities which went off lower were the yellow Sugars 545. a 575. A considerable proportion of the Mauritius Sugar taken in, has been since sold at the withdrawing prices. EAST INDIA.-The sales of East India Sugar continue confined to the Siam descriptions at full prices, good yellow to fine white 265. 6d. a 28s. 6d. This day at public sale 969 bags Bengal Sugar sold at former prices yellow 28s. a 28s. 6d. up to 345. for fine white. FOREIGN.-The purchases of Foreign Sugar last week were 500 boxes, good yellow Havannah at 28s. 6d. a 29., 200 boxes white at 335. ; 231 chests Bahia, the white at former prices 275. a 295., the brown and yellow at rather lower rates 225. a 225. 6d. This after noon large sales of Sugar are reported by private contract ' • 4000 to 5000 bags Manilla at 265. a 265. 6d., 100 boxes white Bahia at 28s. a 28s. 6d., a cargo of Pernams at 28s. a 28s. 6d. afloat say 173 chests 252 brls., and more parcels of white Havannah at 335. Average price of Sugar 11. 10s. 80. per cwt. MoLAssEs.-There is little alteration in West India Molasses. English is in much demand for export. COFFEE.-The Coffee market remained in a very quiet state all last week, it was heavy, but no alteration could be stated in the prices, the chief sales were in Sumatra, ord. to fair quality 395. a 425., good ord. at 435. a 445., good ord. Batavia 535. a 545. Bra zil 555. a 565. 6d. There were no public sales of Coffee this day, the market may be stated heavy, and the prices rather lower, par cels of the late public sales being taken at a discount of 6d. to Is. per cwt. Ruse, BRANDY, AND HoLLAwns.-The Rum market remains in a very dull and depressed state, there are few purchases to re port, there are few parcels of either Jamaica or Leewards left in Importers hands, the quotations are in consequence nearly nominal. In Brandy there are also few sales, the arrivals are considerable. Geneva neglected, pale on the Quay 2s. a 2s. ld., per gallon. TALLOW.-The market has assumed more firmness on account of the large Russian houses refusing to sell at the present low prices, the few sales reported are in consequence at higher rates, there ap pears a great improvement in the general appearance of the market. SALTPETRE.-The prices arc fully supported, but there are few sales. NITRATE or SonA.---The late sales were at 21s. 6d. and 21s. 9d., the holders now ask 225. SPICES.-There have been considerable purchases of pepper by private contract at very full prices, Malabar at 4 3 / 4 d., and Sumatra at 4%d. a 4 1 4,d. per lb. Nutmegs still in great request, and 7s. stated to be paid, which is an advance lately of nearly ls. 6d. per pound. COTTON.-There were few sales of Cotton last week at Liver pool, but the prices were higher ; here the sales were above 2,000 packs at firm prices, and since then there have been about.l,ooo packs sold, Bengals which were last week 7 1 4 d. are now 7%d., and no parcels now offer under the latter price. EAST INDIA COMPANY'S INDIGO SALES (First Day).-8.31 chests have passed the sale this day ; the biddings were very lan guid, and it was evident that the buyers, especially for export, were very reluctant to come forward ; the result has been that the pro prietors have bought in largely, say about 300 chests. Compared with the January Sale, ordinary and middling. descriptions at and under ss. 9d., went at par ; middling and good from ss. 9d. a 6s. 3d. at about 3d., and fine at about 4d. p.'r lb. lower ; upon the whole the rates paid this day are fully equal to those paid at the public sales which took place on the 20th February last. OALs.-The Oil Market generally is very dull, there is no varia tion in the prices. Smx.-The Market continues bare and very quiet. There has been an arrival of 352 bales per Hythe, from China, which has not had any effect upon the Market. Further arrivals are looked for. TURPENTINE. - The last arrival of rough Turpentine, about 1,000 brie. sold a shade below our quotation. There is but little business doing in Spirits. TEA.-The Tea sales yesterday and this forenoon, consisted of the cargoes of the Eliza Stewart and Symmetry, about 9,000 packages, of which about one half sold at a further reduction of 2d. per lb., and 4 d. a 6 d. under the Company's last sale. Bohea in 1 4 and whole chests fair common quality, Is. 3 3 / 4 d. a Is. 41d. a few Is. 6d. Congou g ood o r d. Is. O .l Ad, a Is. 3d., but mid. Is. 4 1 / 2 d. a Is. 5d., but mid. blackish leaf ls. 9%d. a ls. blackish leaf rather strong 2s. Id. a 2s. 3d., strong with Pekoe flavour 2s. sd. a 2s. 9d. Campoi common Is. a ls. 3 1 / 2 d. Caper Is. 4 1 / 2 4. a 2s. Orange Pekoe faint, chiefly bought in Is. a Is. 2d. fair common 2s. a 2s. Olki. Hyson skin common Is. sd. a ls. 9d. Young Hyson but mid. 2s. 1 1 /0. a 2s. 1 3 / 4 d. Hyson common 2s. 2d. a 2s. sd. fair 3s. Imperial fair 3s. 9d. a 3s. 10 1 %d. It is not ascertained what the quantity by the East India Company will be in the next quarterly sale, it is reported at 4 millions or 2 millions lbs., but from the high taxed cupset prices) it may be pre sumed that not a chest will be sold. fhe arrivals continue exten sive, above 30,000 packages appear in this morning's list. Deli very of Tea last week, 14 chests 419, 1 / 2 do. 51, large do. 75 ; total 401,343 lbs. As we are going to press the declaration of the East India C m pany has reached us : For Sale Ist June. Bohea 400,000 lbs. Congou, ... 2,700,000 Twankay 750,000 Hyson Total.. 4,000,000 lbs. COUNTRY CORN MARKETS. Wheat. Barley. Pease. Per Quarter. Boston Gainsborough Grantham Grimsby Horncastle Lincoln.. Spilsby Stamford York DUBLIN MAR PRIL 3 From To Average. 723 Wheat, per barr2l 20 stone l9 3 25 0 21 0 0 Bere l6 stone 0 0 0 0 0 Barley 1,363 Oats 12,465 Flour, per cwt.... 8 stone 5 0 17 0 0 249 Oatmeal ........--.... 8 stone ll 0 14 0 12 8 Sold to Bakers only. 10,839 Cwt. Flour ll 6 17 0 12 6 Average price of Wheat and Flour 335. 41 per sack. Firf:ts from 15s. 01. to 17s. 01 Sales of Do 12,465 r, Receipts of Flour, 10,6621 5 ,,,,,, (is from lls. 0.1. to 13s. 01 , `" rnirds PRICE OF BREAD. Quartern Loaf 6 3 ,0. Halt' Quartern 3'4d. CLONMELL MA liKETS.—April 3. Per Cwt s. d. s. -- .. - s. d. s. d. New Butter -2 oto 0 Hides (raw) 1 0 oto 32 6 Oatmeal 0 11 6 Bacon Pigs 0 2 0 23 0 Rendered Lard•- 0 3t 0 Heads 17 0 Per Bag. Dour, Second 0 28 0 I Flour, Thirds 20 0 0 —Household...— 0 26 0; Fourths 12 0 13 0 Per Barrel. Rapeseed 20 0 0 j Barley ..11 012 6 Bore 0 11 0 Coals l'er tone. Wheat.. Oats Per Pound. 02 0 0 Fresh Butter 0 9 1 Il Mutton O3l 0 5 B ee f o4f 061 Veal 0 4 0 5 KILKENNY Wheat (per barrel) ISs (Id. to 21s 6d. Barley ll 0 13 0 Oats Flour (per bag) Butter (per cwt.) 75 0 78 0 Bacon Pigs .22 0 23 0 Coals 1 0 1 1 MABEETS. Beef (per lb. Mutton 0 4 0 5 Pork Veal Fresh Butter 0 10 1 0 Salt Ditto Potatoes (per st.) 0 2 0 3 SCOTCH MARKETS. HADDINGrON CORN MARKET.—ApriI 3. \ ' Wheat. Barley. Oats. I Pease. Beans. 46s Od 3.5 s Od 244 Od 32s 01 33s Od 40s Od 30s Od 22a Od 30s Od 29, Od 38s Od 9.8 s 0.1 2N; Od ! 28s Od 298 Od 328 qrs. of Wheat in mark et, 306 whereof were sold. 22 Unsold--0 Grey. 2/. 05..8d. 4-12th. — N Dil Firs! Second Third There wer .verage i)ALKEITH CORN MARKET.—ApriI 2. Wheat. Barley. Oats. rease. Beans. First..., 468 Od :35s 6d 263 8d 35s Od 35s 0.1 Second 4ls Od I 303 Od 22s Oct 32s Oct 323 Od Third 3ss Od 1 21s 6d :Ss 4d 303 Od 303 Od The Duke of Somerset entertained a distinguished party at dinner yesterday in Park-lane. 11. to s. 36 40 a. to a. 26 33 42 46 38 42 38 44 34 43 35 40 33 39 46 56 32 33 28 32 24 38 22 34 26 32 27 30 24 30 IRISH MARKETS. KET NOTE for the WEEK E S. to R. S. to S. 18 33 34 39 20 31 24 28 38 4C 20 24 36 4 ? 18 24 36 42 18 26 34 38 22. 24 35 87 20 25 40 41 15 22 23 43 Oats. Beans. !i DING A SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. The House of Commons appears to be steadfast in its adherence to the principle of Lord John Russell's resolu tion. His Lordship moved, last night, a proposition which pledged the House, in distinct terms, to insist upon the adoption of that principle in any measure connected with the subject of tithes in Ireland. The motion was, of course, resisted by the Government with all its power, and sup ported by the Opposition (notwithstanding then:differences on other questions) with an energy of purpose such as they have seldom displayed. It was in vain that Sir Robert Peel exclaimed against the unprecedented nature of the proceeding, and urged the absurdity and the danger to which its adoption would lead. The House affirmed the proposition by a majority of 27 ; the numbers being, for the motion, 285, against it, 258. Whether the effect of this defeat will be the immediate resignation of Ministers, is a question upon which different persons will think differ ently. It cannot, however, remain long a secret. Per haps before this paper goes to press again, a decision will be come to one way or other, from the knowledge of which it will not be deemed advisable to exclude the public.— Morning Herald. It is useless to expose, and idle to answer the Tory ad dresses—which the Standard asserts are pouring in full tide to Sir Robert Peel and the King. No doubt every effort—every artifice—every species of fair and foul means will be tried to bolster up a falling cause, and to prevent the Tories from quitting office for ever. But in vain—the spirit of Reform is neither dead nor sleeping—the letter of Mr. Travers, to which we gave insertion on Tuesday—the . resolution passed on Monday evening at a meeting of the Tower Hamlets Reform Committee, consisting of free holders of Middlesex, approving of the conduct of Lord John Russell, and the majority which has so nobly co-ope rated with him during the present session of Parliament, and secured so triumphant an issue to his efforts, prove that when the proper time arrives, the people will speak, in tones loud, plain, and decided, not to be misunderstood. But while their representatives are so ably doing their duty, the pressure from without may be dispensed with. The people are wise enough not to spend their strength in useless struggles, and much too wary to be deceived. They are determined to obtain their just rights, and will not let a Tory faction usurp the reins of Government, or much longer to hold possession of power.—Morning Ad vertiser. Nothing seems more likely than that in consequence of the majority last night against Ministers, Sir Robert Peel will think it his duty to resign. However requisite to his own personal consistency and honour may have been the Right Hon. Baronet's perseverence in staking his government upon an opposition to the principle asserted in Mr. Ward's resolution of last year, and repeated in Lord John Russell's, which has been recently passed by the House, we are among those who deem that the vindication of such a conscientious policy will have been dearly purchased by the loss of public services, which it must be clear to Whig and Tory, Radical and Repealer, and to the people out of doors, as well as to their representatives within, that no other Statesman in the British Empire could have rendered to his country with half the efficacy, or advantage, or honour as the Right Hon. Gentleman still at the head of his Majes ty's councils, whose temper, capacity, and powers have been daily developed by the arduous position in which he stood, until they reached a magnitude unlooked for by the most sanguine observers of his political course, and ab solutely unapproached by any Minister but one who has addressed Parliament since the opening of the present cen tury. Sure we are that even in those spots of Great Bri tain where prejudice had taken the deepest root, and where a correct knowledge of passing events and of contemporary characters has been slowest in arriving, the retirement from power of such a man as Sir Robert Peel has shown himself within the last two months, will be felt as a grievous national calamity, no otherwise to be retrieved but by his expeditious return to the public service. That the Right Hon. Baronet is absolutely indifferent to office, and con temptuous in his estimate of its manifold seductions, though a happy condition of mind for himself, cannot be regarded otherwise than as an aggravation of the evils experienced by his country in his resignation of the Government. It may be difficult for a man of independent fortune, of cul tivated tastes, and great mental resources, to reconcile himself again to the drudgery of official business ; nor is it easy to discover in the prospects of party combination now before us, any argument sufficient to overcome the repug nance of the Conservative Premier towards such a resump tion of his ungrateful task, except he shall be thoroughly convinced that his aid is essential to the safety of the em pire. Rumours vary with the sources they proceed from, as to the individual who may be called upon to suceed Sir Robert Peel, should the latter gentleman, unfortunately for the nation, realize his presumed intentions of breaking up the existing Government. Many eyes arc turned to Lord Grey, though without much confidence that lie will be pre vailed upon to incur once more the toils and irksomeness of office. His Lordship has had too painful proof of the mean ness, treachery, and restless impertinence to which the bead of a liberal Government is frequently subjected from those about him, to leave without extreme unwillingness the peaceful dig nity of an old age crowned with honour, and trust again the an gry ocean of politics. At the same time, if Lord Grey should be induced to take upon himself the mere formation of a Go vernment, though he might decline to direct it afterwards, there might be some expectation among reasonable persons that all was not entirely lost. The real sentiments of the No ble Earl, upon thellate resolution of Lord J. Russell, were de livered, not by Lord Howick j we apprehend, b u t b y L or d Stan ley ; and therefore it is but just to conclude that if Lord Grey, as reported by the Noble Member for Lancashire, conceived it to be unwise and dangerous to vote upon a purely hypo thetical proposition, he would esteem the acting upon such a proposition to be far more dangerous and more unwise. Lord Grey conveys to the general mind the idea of a Con servative and constitutional Whig ; nor do we at present perceive, after the Bill for amending the representation of the people has been carried, and the hand of Parliament been vigorously set to the work of law, church, and cor porate reform, what it is wherein consists any practical or prospective difference between the policy of Sir R. Peel and that of the official parent of the Reform Bill. For some of Sir Robert Peel's colleagues we cannot safely affirm that, if left to themselves, they would approximate, as he does, to the liberality of Lord Grey ; still less could we undertake for some of the partners of the Noble Earl, that they would not se dulously depreciate those sound principles of steady and watchful moderation which eminently distinguish the late course of the Right Hon. Baronet. But, lamenting, as we do in our inmost heart, the apparent impossibility of an im mediate forgetfulness of all party strife between those two great leaders of the two most estimable parties in Great Britain, the Conservative Whigs and moderate Tories, we feel it to be some compensation that such men do exist, and that they know where and how to find each other, when circumstances admit of their uniting. This subject is not yet ripe for further discussion, but whether we will or not, it is one which must force itself again and again upon the public notice : for we suppose that when the first burst of faction is over, it will be felt in Parliament as well as out of it, that it is not fitting that the political and ecclesiastical institutions of Great Britain as well as the Church of Ire- land should be laid prostrate at the feet of a small but com pact band of Irish Catholics—men who, so far from having any sympathy with England, avow the most determined hatred for our religion, and incessant disgust at their po litical connexion with us.—Tinzcs. The Resolution of Lord John Russell for engrafting the Appropriation on the Irish Tithe Bill, was carried last night by a majority of 27. After the declarations made last night by Sir Robert Peel and Sir Henry Hardinge, that they cannot bring forward a Tithe Bill with an appropria tion for purposes of education engrafted on it, the vote of last night may be considered tantamount to a termination of the Ministry. It is confidently expected that Sir Robert Peel will be prepared to make some declaration on the subject in the House to-night, when the at. , tendance of Members will no doubt be very great. Among the speeches last night in favour of the Resolution, those of Serjeant - Perrin and Mr. Gis borne were the most effective. Mr. Perrin gave several felicitous quotations from the statutes to show how utterly irreconcileable the notions of those who oppose ap propriation are, with the purposes for which ecclesiastical property was originally bestowed. It is supposed that Sir Robert Peel will be anxious to withdraw as soon as pos sible after he has finally determined to resign, both from a natural wish for repose after the harassing and anxious life he has lately led, and from a principle of justice towards his successors, who ought to have the benefit of the recess for making the arrangements indispensable on their under taking the Administration. The cry of " Church in danger" failed to tell last night in the House—it is the subje'ci. of derision everywhere else.--Illorizing chronicle. The Right lion. Sir Henry Ellis, the new Special Envoy to the Persian Government, will take his passage in three weeks on board the Pluto Government steam-vessel, now fitting out at Woolwich. The Pluto will convey the Envoy and suite to Trebisond, a sea-port of Asiatic Turkey, on the Black Sea, whence they will proceed to Ispahan. The sum of 12,0001. has been voted for the expense of this special mission. Sir John Campbell is the present diplomatic agent of the East India Company in Persia. Princess Lieven has obtained leave of the Emperor of Russia, on account of ill health and the recent loss of one of her sons, to leave St. Petersburgh and travel for two years. The large establishment of English domestics which left with the Princess has been broken up, and they are all on their re turn to this country. The Princess contemplates sojourning some time at Vienna. Prince Lieven remains in Russia to attend to his duties as Curattur to the Heir Apparent of the Russian throne . 8. tO 8.