The Sun. — London, England, 1866-03-13 00:00:00

DIONEY MARKET AND COMMERCIAL INTYLMGENOE, TWELVE O'CLOCK. The report of the Delhi and London Bank, for presentation at the annual meeting on the 29th inst., Shows a clear profit for the year of £27,176, out of which two dividends have already been declared, amounting to 9 per cent. per annum, and the sum of £4,676 is carried forward. The Committee of the Stock Exchange have ap pointed Thursday, the 15th inst., a special settling day in the shares of the London, Asiatic, and Ame rican Company, which " are not to be marked at present." The money market continues to present a favour able aspect. There is only a very moderate demand for accommodation, especially at the present time, when the revenue collection usually causes a large inquiry for assistance. The quotations for bankers' three months' acceptances is 6 per cent., and for Paper having two and three months to run 6! and 6i per cent. The amount of gold taken to the Bank of Eng land yesterday represented £50,000. The City Offices - Company have issued their re port, which states that the amount to the credit of profit and loss is £5,430, and the directors recom mend the payment of a dividend of ss. per share, free of income-tax, leaving a balance of £347 to be carried forward. In the Foreign and Colonial Produce Markets during the last few days there has been very little aunnation. Sugars have remained inactive at about previous rates. In tea the transactions have been at quite a retail character ; while a good demand has prevailed for coffee and rice at fully previous rates. Tallow has been in request, but the opera tions have been mostly of a speculative character. Two O'CLOCK. According to Reuter's telegram the French T hree per Cent. Rentes were quoted at 69f. 75c. Inanimate. The English Stock Market has been rather depressed to-day owing to a few sales for realisa tion of profits, and Consols have receded to 87 for money, and to 871 for the account. In the foreign and share part of the house principal attention ~h a s been devoted to the preparation for the settlement. The New Threes and Reduced Annuities are 85i 1 85 ; Exchequer Bills, 6s. 2s. dis. ; Bank Stock, 253 ; India Stock, 208 ; do. 5 per Cents., 1024 ; ue. 4 per Cent. Debentures, 100 i 1014 ; do. Bonds, f ps. prem. ; and do. under £lOO, 13s. 15s. prem. Foreign Stocks have been well supported, at fll 'ul - prices. Turkish 5 per Cents. are 38 ; Mexi can,c, 22 ; do. Ne w , 19i 20 ; G ree k, 15 1; ° Panish. Passive, 27 i; the Certificates, 16 1 / 17i ; It alian, 611 I ; the Confederate Loan, 6 8 ; Chilian s cr ip, 21 31 prem. ; Brazilian Scrip, 2* 1 prem. ; and Egyptian Railway Loan, j 1 prem. United ": t ates Government 5-20 Bonds are 70i ; Erie Shares, 55 I ; and Illinois, 78 4. Business in the Railway Share Market has been rather inactive, the chief operations having been in connection with the settlement of the account. A n a.er tone, however, has prevailed. North-Wes tlii ern and Metropolitan have each advanced £1 ; and South-Eastern, each 10s. ; and Great pastern and Great Western, each ss.ln • the Foreign and Colonial lines there is little , u ange of importance. Grand T run k o f C ana d a 4 ave declined to 35i. 13 ank and `Miscellaneous Shares remain very Bank of Egypt are dealt in at 34 32; aant 9i. ee at ; London and County at 754 ; Ge neral Credit and Finance at 4i ; London Finan cial ; Joint Stock Discount at 12 14 dis.; National Discount Company at 121 a ; and uverend, Gurney, and Co., at 16a BRITISH FUNDS—ONE O'CLOCK, b G CVERNM ENT FUNDS. " Der Cent. Consols 8 130 . Acc oun t , April 5 tiPer Cent. Reduced 5 t't 1 5z e , 3 % 81 per Cent o 1 5 D 2 i per Cent. Jan. 1894 D - A °- 0 per Cent. Jan. 1873 — ai,Duities, 30 yrs, expire sth Jan., 1880 D 4 - 10 . for 30 yrs, expire sth AprilBBs — 1: ° (Bed Sea Telegraph), Aug., 1908 — . Zehequer Bills, £l,OOO, 3 per Cent. 6 2 dis Do. £5OO — 14 , Do £lOO and £200 ..,a, I, k of England Stock, 5 per Cent l•sz t ,„ ~ h id '. ''''', GOVERNMENT SECURITIES. Dunl Stock, 104 per Cent., AprillB74 2OB I ) • 5 per Cent. Oct 1870 ,0 0 . 4 per Cent., Oct. 1888 Do. Certificates b ` - _'• Eufaced Paper 4 per Cent y. 5 per Cent., Jan. 1872 Do •b 5 1 per Cent., May 1879 — B °. Deb., 4 per Cent., Aug. 1866 1 ) ° _• onds, £l,OOO lO pm A° under £l,000 FOREIGN FUNDS—ONE O'CLOCK. 4 . a r e ntine Republi c , 6 p er C on t., £l5 pd — pm Donau Bonds, 5 per Cent, 1859 14 lian 5 per Cent . 41 per Cent., 1852-58-60 Do. 1863 Do. 1863 4 -go Account 73i xd /1„"0. Scrip, £35 paid B uenos Ayres 6 per Cent ,„, 0 . Account 4 ' o .£ICO Bonds ca o 1 per Cent. (Deferred 3 per Cent ) .6 144 3 per Cent 761 C Ol 0 * 4 i per Cent Cub ? i nbian 6 per Cent. — bt0,14,,6 per Cent. Dan 3 per Cent., 1825 — 1 0 11b ian Principalities )- iAccount aador New Consolidated, 1 per Cent — t._., Provisional Land Warrant — ljv t iall 7 per Cent — h c'l Seco Bond Is ''D £lOO ndssue Do. 1864 ..„-'0 .£lOO Bonds •Pno. Governm en t R a il wa y D e b en t ures 4 - ' O . £l5 p a id 0...— pm teek 1:, 5 C t 1824-5, ex Coupons .13° per on s., Account b°. Coupons (1.11,,,°. Account it '".‘eluala 5 per C en t. D' alia)accountr Cent, 1865 —e o lifr,• X aremmana Railway lje • ccou' ea ° 3 pentr Cent 221 A I)° D a 1864 1/ 0 6 per Cent. Anglo-French _ 4 .l ( ktevidean 6 per Cent., £3O paid 'li w Grau cm3rish Imperial 5 per Cent r , W aa ij ° 2 per Cent h e D e f erred — N u ° Laa l d W arran t s (H ec t ar es) • 6 ,Per Cent, 1864 e a ,o ki uaranteed, 4 per Cent E`vian 5 per Cent., 1865 — 13 °. Account _ b o 3 per Cent. (Uribarren) Aorta Per Cent., 1862 I:9"'nes 3 pe1853 0 ° 3 Per Ce - nt r ., 1856, '7, '9, '6O, '62, '3, 45} 4118 Account D 814 A 4 5 per Cent., 1822, £ St 1), I ,i per Cent. 1850 1) n - - ii Pet Cent, 1 , 860 b„ Per Cent. 1809 b r ; u, per Cent. 1862 / 41i,', Per Cent. 1864 B9}, sp a Sian 5 p er Cent ''4311 3 t Cent Do .A.cozrt - t o 00 t, New o eo il.lt Deferred t assive 41,40.Accouut 27} D 4lBll Cert. of Coup not funded l6l } iivir,,l4,eeount l6/ ...1),, 8 , 4 4 1 per Cent. 42 4 1 1.., — . li Per Cent. 1864 —B° pernt Cent. 1854 b° Accou 1) 0 6 Per Cent. 1858 I, Account IV 4100 Bonds t D a ' 6 Per Accou nt Cent. 1862 b ° o £lOO Bonds ti o , u Per Cent., 1863 6 Bl 1) 0 Per ent., 1865, paid up Scrip— -381 _lsi ( , 4 ,, eeount re tt ',,• ' Per per Guaranteed .— bi t ?ela 3 per Cent. _ t) ,o a ccount _ o 6 tin Per Cent., 1 8 62 — • A ccount bn— "i. 1864 — Per Cent A -Dividends on the above payable in London. t i‘ k. l i zi ti V., 5 p.n. Cent, Ex. 10 Florins - •vel e h ~, , 4 1 Per cent., Ex. 25f. Da Cent., Ex. 12 Gail _ 10 1 . 54 i i per Cent. Certificates ltalitte!'jtentes 3 per Cont. 1) 0 1 4 ' Poer Cent., 1861, Ex. 25f. --• —' e un ............................... .. ... Oc o . TWO O'CLOCK. 'B°lB of mone y .............................. 87 } Acconnt ... Y . 87 ................................... ;hness norn- clock. timer IVait- id tho ug. 3 YTS' 0 the 3teril )f the h the 4 One, board rl g to the .ougb strata rimed, owa gooL. SHARE LIARKETS.—This Day. Share! Railways. ORDINARY SHARES AND STOCKS. Paid.' Closing I Business Price. done. hstol and Exeter ... Caledonian Cambrian... ..... Cork and 8and0n..... Cornwall üblin & Belfast June bun„Perth, & A b.Junc I.London, scrip Certi Do. Glasgow do S. Western Great Eastern, Ord. stk. Do. 14]. Angl. st. No. Great North of Scotian Great Northern Do. A stock Do. B stock Do. New, is. at 25 pn4 Gt S. and W. of Ireland Gt. Weste:n D. , . S. Val. Rail gua. Do. South Wales Do. W. Mid.—Oxford Do. Newport Do. Hereford Lanoishire&Yorkshin Landon and Blackwal Brigh.,& S Cone' Lon., Chat., and DOVtI Do. Metrop. .t ex A ' • Lon. & North Western, Lon. & South Western. She., & Lincoln, Metropolitan. Do. New Do. Extension Metropolitan District. Do do. do. Do. and St. John'aW'd Midland Do. X 69 Share Do, Birmin.. d 6 Derby Mid Kent . . North British Do. Ed., Pth , & Dun Nth. Eastern—Berwick Do. G.N•E purchase Do. Leeds Do. York Do. Carlisle ..... Do. Stock. & Darling. Do. do. 1860-61 North London Do. do. 1864 Do. do. 1865 North Staffordshire ll N. & S. W. Junction Scottish Central Scot. N. E Aber. stock uo. Scot, Mid. stack Shropshire Union South Devon South Ea stern Staines, Wok., & Wok Taff Vale Do. C Vale of Neath Waterford & Kilkennyi Waterloo & Whiteha A West Cornwall BRITISH Atlantic & St. Lawrence Born., Baroda, . _ gu. 5 per cent........ Do. F shares . . ...... Buffalo t Lake auron Do. Prelerence Buff Brant ezGoderich 6 p.c. 572-3-4.•• •••• • Calcutta & 8. E., Um.- 'at.e Town d& Dock, gU.I Demerara, 7 p.c. per. 1)11 East. Ben,, , a), gm 5 do East Indian, gu:s P• 13.1 Do. J Eitasioti Grand Trunk of Canad Do. Equip. Mort, Bonds 1 charge 6 p.c Do. Ist Pref. Bonds Do. do. deferred Do. 2d Prd. Bonds Do. do. deferred Do. 3d Pref. stock Do. do. deferred Do. 4th Pref. stock Do. do. deterred Gt. India Pen. gua. sp.c. 1:o. Grua. 5 per cent Do. New gua. 5 p. c Gt. South of India gua. 5 per cent D r. 41 per cent Do Great W, s. of Canada.. Do. New Do. 6 p. c. Bds. pay. 1873 Do. 54 do. pay. 1877-8 Indian Branch, limited Madras, gua. 5 p.c Do. 42 do Do. 43 do .. . . Do. Fifth Extension Melb. Cor. 6 p. c. Bnds. Mel. & Hudson's 8ay..1 N. RI. C' da, 6pc lstpf. bs. Scinde Do. Delhi Do. do Do. Pun j aub 1 1, 0 Do.lndus St. Flo• 93 95 130 i 32 65 70 13 15 4 8 67 70 70 72 118 12) 381 39; 61 76 123 124 14) 14 . 88 00 691 69 60 6 39 41 33 38 102 104 1191 120 87 83 96 9i 311 3s 94 d 8 120 122 92 13 63 61 131 132 2if 1 111 97 98 1221 1231 2 2f) 92 94 CO 6/ 18 30 109 110 70 72 106 1(8 35 37 104 114 p, 122 125 14 2p lh 2p , 75 27 11 12 143 149 68 70 112 114 5t 53 75 77 8 9 141 144 3• I I 102 104 51 53 IESSIONS, 5s 6) 102 103 id 61 7 10 11 76 80 96 98 65 70 100 102 101 102 105 106 34 36 83 90 66 68 60 63 59 61 50 55 45 ,49 42 45 84 36 23 55 109 i ItC4 1i 2 1 1i 2 t 99 100 91 93 161 161 3 31 94 e 6 86 eS 1 4d 100 102 92 e 4 SS 90 62 (4 8' 82 98i O 9 98 99 93 99 COLONIAL GOVERNMENT SECUR British Columbia,6 per Cent., !Fee:3l, 1872.... Can.Gov.6 p.c.Ja.&July 1877-84 - Do. 6 p. c. Feb. & Aug.. Da. 5 p. 0. Mar. & Sept Do. 5 p. c. Jan. & July Do. 5 p. c. Inscribed sk Cape G.Hope, 6 p.c. 1873 Do.Apl. &Oct 1890-1900 Do. do: 1880-9 u Do. Jan. &July, 1890-91 Do. 5 per Dent. 15 April and l 5 Oct., 1900. l eeylon, Nov. 1868, 6 p.c __Do. 1878, d0.. 1 _ Mauritius, 6 p. 0, 1873, Jan. and July Do. 178 - Do. 1882, Mayls, Nov. 1, Do. 1895, Feb. & Aug', . Antal L;ov. o per cent.. N.B.Gov.6p.c.Ja.&.July N. S.W. Gov. 5 irc.,lB6r, Do. 5 p.c. 18;1 to 187t1 Do. 5 p.c. 1888 to 189 New Zealand, 6 p. cen _ Do. 5 per cent.... Nova Scotia Gov. 6 p. a sterling, 1875 Queensland Gov. 6 p. S. Aus.Gov. 6 p,c Do. 1878 & upwards Vic,Crov. 6 a&July & J Do. do, A pril & Oct.. 94 96 93 SO 95 97 t 0 82 73 110 101 103 104 106 104 1011 101 103 90 92 101 103 106 1.8 102 104 103 105 103 105 IG4 106 99 101 93 95 93 95 87i 88 100 102 82 84 E 8 100 98 100 104 106 1061 107 i BRITISH MINES. Cam. Consol. Cold, Um C hiver ton Clifford Amalgamated Devon G. Cons. (Tavist Drake walls East Bassett (Illogan) East Caradon East Carn Brea East Grenville East Gunnislake East Lovell E. W'l Russell (Tavistk Gam.ez StAubyn(G wen. Great L ixey, limited Great South Tolgus Great Wheal Busy G. Wheal Vor (llelst •u Grenville Ilerod's Foot .... Bingston Downs Margaret (Uny Lelant Marke Valley ►twyndy Iron Ore, lim New Se ton North Roskear N.W h' 1 Bassett (Mogan North Wheal Crotty Prosper United I Providence Uny S. Caradon (St. Cleer) South Condurrow S.Wheal Fran. (Mogan Stray Park Tin Croft Vigra and Clogan, Hm ' West Bassett (Mogan W. Caradon (Liskeard West C hi , rerton ....... . West Wheal Bassett gllogan Wheal Buller (Redruth Wheal Mary Ann (Men Wheal Seton Wheal Trelawney (Lis 2.1.0 296 2.14.0 3f 2.14.0 8.3.0 3.9.0 10.8.0 g 9 15 17 560 58) I 18 2O 7 8 3/ 41 34 4 9i 394 3 36 5 7 20 21 16 2 34 4 28. 29 31 3f 33 40 4i 5 5 7 4 44 2 3 / 4 16d 35 43 13 15 32 34 390 410 2 11 18 22 9 11 19 20 4 6 I 2 8 10 75 SO 165 175 1 524 874 1 25 2781 3 5' V 5 215 15 17 rEEFERENCE S . -ICES. Great Western, 4 per cent irred , 8 , LINES LEASED AT FIXED RENTALS. London Tilbury, and Southend, 941 j FOREIGN RAIL WAYS• Antwerp and Rotterdam, I li Belgian Eastern Junction, 2 Ottoman (Smyrna to Aidin), Si San Paulo. lim., gua. 6 per cent., 161 South Austrian and Lombardo Venetian, 161 FOREIGN MINE & Don Pedro. North Del Rey, * rontino and Bolivia bold. lim., l* Alliance, lim., 27& Anglo Egyptian, lim., 12/ Bank of Egypt, 311 Bank of Queensland, lim, 19 Charles Laffitte and Co , 8 Chartered Bank of India, Australia, and China, 24 Colonial, Lim., 46i Imperial Ottoman, 13 - Ditto, new, 1 Metropolitan and Provincial Bank, lira., 15 Oriental Banx Corporation, 53 DOCKS. London and St. Katharine, 73 MISCELLANEOUS. Atlantic Telegraph, 8 per cent. gas., 2f Berlin Water Works, lira.. Pi Hudson's Bay, 17 Joint Stock Discount, lira., 11 12f London Financial Association, lim., 10 f National Discount Company, 121 13 Overend, Gurney, and Co., lira., in 16i The Price of Gold. --4.- By adviccs from Hamburg the price of gold is 424 per mark and the short exchange on London is 13.41 per £1 Standard gold at the EngliJi Mint price is, therefore, at about the same price in London and Hamburg. The eourge of exchange at New York on London for bills at 60 days' sight is about 107 per cent. At these rates there is no profit on the importation of go'd from the United States i !le quotation of gold at Paris is about b per mile pm., and the short exchange on London is 25.25 per £1 sterling. On comparing these rates with the English Mint price of £3 17s. 104 d. per ounce for standard gold, it appears that gold is nearly 3-10ths per cent. dearer in London than in Paris. LONDON SCOTTISH V. CIVIL SERVICE VOLIJN TEERS.—The first match of the season between these corps took placo on Saturday at Wimbledon, and resulted in the London Scottish being the victors by 19 marks. The London Scottish wore under the command of Cap tain Flood Page, and tho Civil Service under Lieutenant Lombard. OIL COMPANIES.—It is stated that there are now in California about 70 organised associations for the pur pose of exploring oil lands. They have an aggregate nominal capital of about 50,000,000, and the lands owned by them are situated mostly in Colusi, Humbolt, Santa Barbara, San Luio, Obispo, and Lo Angels countiew. The Extraordinary Charge of Forging the SPORTING INTELLIGENCE—This Day, Countess of Bellew's Will. Mrs. Anne Casse, a lady, 80 years of age, of Winterton House, St. John's Wood, appeared in discharge of her personal recognisances of £l,OOO, to answer the charges of having forged the signa ture of the late Caroline Countess Bellew to a will or deed of gift ; of having likewise forged the sig nature of Esther Simmons to the same will, or deed of gift, and further with uttering the same as the genuine document. Mr. Piffard, barrister, prosecuted. Mr. Lewis, sen., of Ely-place, defended. _ _ [Br ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.] WARWICK RACES—Tms DAY. RACING STAKES. Sutton 1 Cockchafer 2 Cotillon Seven ran, TRIAL STAKES. Saccharometca Attache Kangaroo 3 Five ran. 1 Upon the defendant being placed at the bar, VICTORIA CLUB BETTING—Tins DAY. NORTHAMPTONSHIRE STAKES. 4to 1 agst Mail Train (taken) 100 to 8 agst Scamander (taken) 100 to 6 agst Pintail (taken) CHESTER CUP. 1000 to 35 agst Sandal (taken) CITY AND SUBURBAN HANDICAP. 7to 1 agst Out and Outer (taken) 30 to 1 agst Vandervelde (taken) 33 to 1 agst Morris Dancer (taken) Very little doing. Mr. Lewis submitted that no offence had been committed. By the 24th and 25th Vic., cap. 98, sec. 21, it was necessarily to be proved that a will was to be forged with intent to defraud. Bequests to attesting witnesses were void, and there could be no interest for Mrs. Casse to defraud, as she could have no claim, and nobody could be de frauded. Mr. Arnold said could not the next of kin be defrauded? Mr. Lewis contended that she could not defraud herself. TAT TERSALLS'—Last Eveninz. NORTHAMPTONSHIRE STAKES. 4to 1 agst Mail Train (taken) 12 to 1 agst Raglan (taken and offered) 14 to 1 Scamander (taken) CHESTER CUP. 12 to 1 agst Gong (taken) 20 to 1 agst Baragah (taken) 33 to 1 agst Mail Train (taken) 33 to 1 agst Buckfoot (taken) CITY AND SUBURBAN. 7to 1 agst Out-and-Outer (taken) 15 to 1 agst Brahma (taken) 100 to 6 agst Pepper's Ghost (taken) TWO THOUSAND GUINEAS. 11 to 4 agst Student (taken) 3 to 1 agst Lord Lyon (taken) THE DERBY. 10 to 1 agst Student (taken) 50 to 1 agst Laneret (taken) 66 to 1 agst Knight of the Crescent (taken) Very little betting. Mr. Arnold—lf there were no will the property would be divided among the next of kin, and her forging the will might defraud those persons. Mr. Lewis—The next point I submit is that the alleged testamentary paper is not a will at all. It merely purports to be a copy of a will made by the Countess. The will itself is headed August, 1853, and the will before you bears date 1863, and begins by the words—" Copy of will or deed of gift." It bears no date except August 5, 1863, and at the end it states that it is a copy merely of a will made in August, 1853. Mrs. Casse didn't attest this as a will, but as a copy. Mr. Arnold held that it was in substance made and attested as a genuine will. Mr. Lewis—The jury didn't find it was a will or not. They only found that there was no evidence to prove that it was the last will and testament of the Countess. Mrs. Casse didn't propound this as a will of the Countess ; she only gave it over as a paper she had in her possession, and was in duty bound to give it up. In point of fact and law there was no intent to defraud, and no forgery to intent to defraud. I only do it to save time, considering my objections are well based. Mrs. Casse produced it under a subpcena. If I forged your name to a bill of exchange, and kept it in my possession to look at, that cannot be said to be a forgery in law ; or if a man have base coin in his possession and does not utter it he commits no offence, because there is no intent to defraud. A person who made a false signature to a will to defraud any parties, would, on the death of the party, produce the instrument and set about the fraud. All Mr. Sutton's horses are struck out at Northampton except Jezebel. RACING FIXTURES FOR 1866. MARCH. Warwick Spring Doncaster Lewes Spring Croxton Park ' 16 Northampton 2O Windsor Spring 28 Newcastle Spring Newmarket Craven 2 Durham Blackheath & Woolwich 2 Catterick Bridge Abergavenny 5 Lichfield Spring Chelmsford Spring Thirsk lO Epsom Spring Newmarket Ist Spring l6 Liverpool Hunt Cup 2O Chester Curragh 24 Ascot Spring - 1 Salisbury Bath 8 Harpenden lO York Spring Epsom Summer l5 Uxbridge ... Manchester Ascot Summer Mr. Arnold —lf these arguments are raised when the case goes for trial, they had better be raised in a superior court. I shall not decide them to stop the case. Mr. Inspector Tanner, of the detective division, was called by Mr. Piffard to prove that some bank notes the countess had lost and accused Miss Bel lew's maid of stealing were traced by Inspector Tanner to the countess herself. Mr. Arnold asked how that could be evidence ? Mr. Piffard submitted that it was good corrobo ration. Windsor Summer 5 Newton Hampton 7 Odiham Bibury l3 Stockbridge Chelmsford l9 JU. Liverpool Beverley 2O Ipswich Hungerford Newcastle on-Tyne 26 Curragh 26 Worcester dr. Stamford l9 Radcliffe 23 Winchester 24 Southampton 25 Huntingdon Goodwood 3l Carlisle Newmarket July Pontefract Abingdon Reading Nottingham Down Royal Corp lB AUG Mr. Lewis apprehended it could not be evidence against the prisoner, as he was no party to it. Inspector Tanner was ordered to stand down. Mr: Edwin Dove—l am a cashier in the London Joint-Stock Bank, Pall-mall. I knew the late Countess Caroline Bellew. (Looking at letters produced.) These are her handwriting. I don't profess to understand her general handwriting. To the best of my belief all these are her handwriting. (Looking at the signature.) "C. Bellew" to the will. I should say it was not in her handwriting. Cross-examined—l said I would not pay a cheque upon the "C"in a letter produced. Upon all sig natures in the litters produced I would pay cheques. Mr. Arnold—Look at the two documents pro duced at the trial. Would you pay upon both of those signatures ? Answer—l would upon the one and question the other. In all probability the latter would be de cided to be her handwriting. Brighton 7 Brighton Club .......... h 9 Lewes lO h am 14 Wolverhampton l4 Stockton l5 Oxford l6 Hastings 2l York August 2l Plymouth Lichfield Devon and Exeter 2B Tunbridge 2B Derby Sumnier 29 Weymouth 3O SEPTEMBER. Warwick September 4 Richmond Curragh Leicester 6 Monmouth Doncaster Brecon l7 I Newmarket Ist October 25 Canterbury lB Walsall OCTOBER. Northampton 2 I Newmarket Houghton 22 Newmarket 2d October._ Cturamh NOVE. 8 I Worcester _ 80 :BER. Lincoln - i I Liverpool Shrewsbury Leamington Hunt l9 By Mr. Lewis—l remember the entire bundle being put into my hand in court. 58 Mr. Arnold —You looked at them just now, and swore only two were shown to you. • Witness—Allow me to correct that. IRISH RACING FIXTURES FOR 1866. APRIL. Tralee MAY. Curragh Bald.oyle Spring B, 9 By Mr. Lewis—l am well acquainted with Miss Bellew's writing. This I should think was not like her usual signature. Mr. Lewis—lt was one of those very letters he was handed on the trial and swore to. Witness continued--That is her handwriting to the best of my belief (looking at the signature to the will through a piece of cartridge paper, the body being concealed and the signature only visible.) Mr. Lewis—That is the will I showed him. (Great laughter). Mr. Arnold—You may stand down, sir. Mr. Lewis—A witness in our favour. The case was proceeding when we went to press. SHIPPING INTELLIGE NCE. —This Day. LONDON, March 13.—Wind this day at noon—North- Easterly; moderate breeze, and fine weather, but rather cloudy. PLYMOUTH, March 12.—Wind N. to N.E.—Arrived— Fruitorer, screw steamer, from Arklow for St. Servan to coal. QuEmisrowil, March 12.—Wind N.E.—Arrived—Aus tralian, screw steamer, from Liverpool, and then pro ceeded for New York. PORTSMOUTH, March 12.—Wind N.E.—Arrived—Frede rick Wilhelm, from Berbice. LITERPon, March 12.—Wind steamer, from Islay. POOLE, March 12.—Wind S.W.—Arrived.—Jane Eliza beth, from Zeinickzee. OFF LIVEPOOL, March 12.—Wind N,W.—Arrived—The Liberator, from SCILLY, March 12,-----Wind N.W.—Sailed—Rostless, for Palormo. LBY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH. I PLYMOUTH, Tuesday Morning. The Russian corvette Bogatir, 17, Capt. Baron Brick holty, from Japan, last from the Cape and St. Helena, ar rived in the Sound this morning, bound for Cherbourg. GRAVESEND, Tuesday Morning. Arrived, March 12.—Clara Catherine, from Nesvig; Elite, from St. Michael's ; Memento, from Oporto. Arrived, March 13.—Caldbeak, from Singapore ; Louisa Jane, from Guernsey. DxAx, Tuesday Morning. Passed—Alida, from London, for Rio Janeiro ; Seaton, screw steamer, from Sunderland, for Bordeaux ; Eleanor Isabella, brig, and Alfred of Arundel—both from north, for west. Sailed—Berwickshire, Lady Octavio, Queen of the North, with most of the outward-bound, for westward. L'AFRICAME.—The hundredth representation of the " Africaine" took place on Friday night at the Paris Opera. The bust of Aleyerbeer was on this occasion crowned with laurel, and a cantata sung in his honour. CAPITAL PUNISHMENTS WITHIN PRISONS.-Alr. /Ebbed's bill, to provide for the carrying out of capital punishments within prisons, has been printed. The exe cution is to be witnessed by certain officials, and their cer tificates of the fact are to bo exhibited outside the prison, and afterwards transmitted to the Secretary of State. The Government intends to bring forward a measure on the same subject, and also to adopt the recommendations of the Royal Commissioners. SHOCKING MURDER OF A CHILD. Yesterday an inquest was held in Essex street, Strand, on the body of a male child supposed to have been murdered. Early on Friday morning the body was found made up in a bundle in the passage leading to Lincoln's-inn Chapel, and a me dical examination proved it to bo the body of a well-de veloped male child, and had been born alive. There was a piece of twine tied tightly round the neck, and the cause of death was strangulation. The jury returned a verdict of wilful murder against some person or persons unknown. PARLI3IENTARY OATHS BILL.—Mr. Disraeli gave notice last night of his intention to propose the following form of oath in substitution of that proposed by the Go vernment :—" I, A B, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty Queen Victoria, her heirs and successors. And Ido faithfully promise to maintain, support, and defend the succession to the Crown as the same stands limited and settled by an act passed in the reign of King William 111., intit.uled " An Act for the further Limitation of the Crown, and for the securing the Rights and Liberties of the Subject.' And I do further solemnly declare that her Majesty is the only supreme governor of this realm, and that no foreign prince, pre late, state, or potentate has any jurisdiction or authority iu this country. So help me God." THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, _MARCH 13, 1866. JUNE. Curragh 26, 27, 28, 29 JULY. Carlow SEPTEMBER. C urragh OCTOBER. Curragh - _____ 16, 17 18 CONTINENTAL Rttc: ING FIXTURES FOR 66. La March© 4, 25 Cll. P: Vincennes Pau 2, 4 Paris (Spring) 2,8, 15, 2-2 , 26, 29 I.IJ Bruxelles 3, 6 Chantilly (Derby) 6, 10, 13 La Marche 2l Vincennes ll, 18 IL. Bordeaux, 19, 22, 26, 28 Bruxelles JIT Vincennes 3 Montaüban Vissembourg - 21 Paris (Summer) 26, 27 Toulouse St. Omer Rouen Metz B, Amiens E. Toulouse 24, 28 AUG Deauville.... ......... 4,5, 6 Rochefort 5 Bourae5... Valenciennes Illoulins Cherbourg l9 LY. Abbeville Le Pin 22 Chalon-sur-Saone ... 22, 23 Saintes 2B, 29 Caen UST. ILe Mans Laon l9, 20 Tarbes l9, 22 Blois 26, 28 I Baden-Baden 3l A by DE WITH effo T rt nE is beingollE Th made the ft S more SWANSEA. NsE A. of the Swansea firms to attract the ores obtained from the Lake Superior copper mines and other United States mineral products to their market and smelting works in South Wales. The cheapness and completeness of the reduction of ores at the Swansea works, and the ready sale and profitable market for the metal extracted, are the inducements offered. California has already availed herself, to a limited extent, of the advantages offered by Swansea, and we believe that the results have been such as to warrant the expectation of a large in crease in the shipments of copper ore from that port. Large quantities of " Gould and Curry" ore and the produce of other Nevada silver mines have also been sent to Swansea, and it is estimated that twenty-five per cent. more silver has been extracted than there would have been had the ores ben re duced on the spot. We recently learnt that a quan tity of rich silver ore sent from one of the Nevada districts to Swansea was found to contain a sufficient quantity of other valuable metals to defray the whole expenses, including carriage from the mines. This, and probably 25 per cent. of additional silver ob tained, constituted a good profit to the exporter. The rapidly growing importance of those mineral States, whose natural outlet is the Pacific, will no doubt lead to the construction, in some central part, of large smelting works, which, in their extent and importance, will surpass those of time-honoured Swansea ; but for the present South Wales offers advantages of cheaper and more perfect reduction than can be found within the States. During the month of Decethber last, as we learn from the Circular of Messrs. Richardson and Co., the fol lowing vessels from California arrived at Swansea laden with copper ore :—the Barraeouta, with 772 tons ; Viscata, with 1,243 tons; the Gipsey Queen, 584 tons ; the Derby, 1,200 tons ; total for the month, 3,799 tons, which, taken at an average value, would be worth over £40,000, forming another of those small items to the credit of the United States which were omitted by the Times in its recent international balance-sheet. It is difficult to estimate the value of the Nevada silver ores shipped to Swansea via San Francisco, as they are sent to a number of consignees, and are sold to the smelting firms by private contract ; but we are in formed that the amount is considerable, and that it is rapidly increasing. 121 i 92 1311 r ni 109 Sf 163 i ITIES. 94 1 1061 7 RIL. 'UST. IMPERIAL FARLIANIENT HOUSE OF LORDS.--LAST EVENING. The Lord Chancellor took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. UNJUST RATING OF ROMAN CATHOLIC PLACES OF 'WORSHIP. Lord COLVILLE presented a numerously-signed petition from the inhabitants of Chatham complain ing of the excessive taxation of their places of worship. He stated that he attended on behalf of Earl Denbigh, .who was unable to be present; and ho contended that, under the circumstances, an injustice was committed on the members of the Roman Catholic persuasion. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The following bills were read a third time and passed : —Alliance and Dublin Consumers, London Gas, Columbia (Bethnal-green) Market and Approaches. THE CONSOLIDATED FUND (£1,137,772). This bill was read a third time and passed. THE PRINCESS HELENA AND PRINCE ALFRED'S ANNUITY BILLS. These bills wont through committee. CAPTAIN COLES' CUPOLA PRINCIPLE. Lord D UNSANY asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether it was the intention of the Admiralty to adopt . the cupola or turrest system invented by Captain Cowper Coles, R.N., and if so, whether it was true that the assistance of the inventor (although offered) had been refused, and his extra pay and allowance stopped. He also moved that an humble address should bo presented to her Majesty for reports of the committee of naval officers appointed to ex amine the design of a turret ship made by Captain C. Coles. Ho contended that there was a defect in the existing sys tem, and any person having a practical knowledge of the subject, and who proposed an improvement, should receive encouragement. (Hear, hear.) He understood from gen tlemen who had attended experiments under Captain Coles' invention, that that invention was a very valuable improvement in regard to the scientific matter involved in the question. The Duke of SOMERSET stated that there was no de sire on the part of their lordships to interfere with Captain Coles in carrying out his designs. On the contrary, they were anxious that his experiments in naval architecture should succeed. The Princess Helena's Annuity Bill was advanced a stage. Their lordships then adjourned HOUSE OF COMMONS-LAST EVENING. Mr. DODSON, in the absence of the Speaker, took the chair at four o'clock. APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE. The attendance of the members on both sides of the house was very numerous. Earl Granville, the Duke of Argyll, and other members of the Government occupied seats in front of the gallery. Earl Russell was also present. The galleries around the house were crowded, and a great deal of interest was manifested both inside and outside the building. In Palace-yard and Westminster-hall the public attended in great numbers to witness the arrival of the members. ELECTION PETITIONS. Mr. DODSON announced that returns had been received stating it was not the intention of the petitioners to pro ceed with the petitions presented against tb,e returns for Barnstaple, the North Riding of Yorkshire, Portsmouth, and Dumbarton. CITY, KINGSTON, AND RICHMOND RAILWAY. Tho second reading of this bill was opposed by Mr. LOCKE, but eventually it was read a second time without a division. THE PARLIAMENTARY OATHS BILL. Mr. DISRAELI laid upon the table of the house a copy of the amendment he proposed in the Parliamentary Oaths Bill. THE CATTLE DISEASE. Admiral DUNCOMBE asked the President of the Board of Trade if he was aware that the schedules prepared by the Board of Trade calling upon the owners of live stock to make a return thereof on the sth day of March had never boen issued in many townships, and how he pur posed now to insure an accurate return of cattle through out the country on a given day ? Mr. M. GIBSON said some trifling inaccuracies in the delivery had taken place, but steps would be taken to remedy the omission. Sir A. AGNEW asked the Vice-President of the Com mittee of Privy Council on Education if he could give any information as to whether the disease said to have broken out among sheep in some parts of Scotland had in any in stance been reported by competent authority to be identi cal with rinderpest ? Mr. BRUCE said unfortunately it was true that the rin derpest had made its appearance in Forfarshire and Fife shire. NEW BARRACKS. Sir It. CLIFTON asked the Secretary of State for War the date of the purchase of land at Nottingham for site of barracks ; from whom it was purchased, the extent of land, and price paid ? The Marquis of HARTINGTON said that 21 acres of land had been purchased, for which a sum of £5,000 had been paid. THE RIFLE GUNS: Mr. H. BAILLIE asked the Secretary of State for War whether any of the 12-ton guns rifled upon the Woolwich pattern, and now being served out to her Majesty's ships, had been submitted to the test of continuous firing, such as would occur during a bombardment? The Marquis of 11ARTINGT ON said the gun referred to had been submitted to 135 continuous discharges. The exact accuracy of the aim had been ascertained, and it was looked upon as the most successful practice of a rifled gun yet known. THE NEW NATIONAL GALLERY. In reply to Mr. BENTINCK, Mr. COWPER said two of the architects, viz., Mr. Wyatt and Mr. Hardwick, had retired from the list of candidates selected. It had been thought that the entire demolition of the building in Trafalgar-square would re sult in a better building than would otherwise be the case. THE NEW REFORM BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said—Mr Deputy Speaker—Sir, if in order to estimate the difficulties of the question which I have now to bring before you it be right, as I suppose, to take into view not only its own extent and complexity, and not only the strange fluctua tions of circumstances which have attended and marked its history, but also the weakness of the hands into which the treatment of it has fallen, then perhaps I may well say that few Ministers have risen iu recent years to ad dress the house under greater difficulties than at this moment attend my position and task. Sir, these difficul ties are difficulties which affect, in the first instance, her Majesty's Government, and they are perfectly sensible of the weight of responsibility which attaches to them. But although they be concentrated in their greatest weight upon us, yet they are not ours alone.. The interest in the solution of this question is an interest common to the whole House of Commons, and to every party and section of a party that sits within this house. (Hear, hear.) For let me remind you, sir, that those :paragraphs which you have heard read aro not the only paragraphs in which, under the most solemn forms known to the Constitution, the subject of the representation of the people has been brought under tho notice of Parliament. By no less than five Administrations, in,no less than six Queen's speeches before that of the present year, the House of Commons has been acquainted by the Sovereign, advised by her constitutional Ministers, that, in their judgment, the time had come when the representation of the people ought to undergo revision. It is need less to refer to the terms of those speeches, but it will be recollected they have not been delivered exclu sively at periods when one side of the house was in power. (Hear, hear.) In 1860 and 1859, by both parties those so lemn pledges were given in the face of the country. And having much to state to the house, I shall not unnecessarily occupy their time on this occasion by discussing the gene ral grounds of the question, whether there ought to be a revision of our electoral system, and whether the franchises of the people ought to be extended. With such an accu mulation of authority from every quarter in my favour, I hold it would be superfluous for one moment to debate that general question. (Hear, hear.) I will assume that by these declarations, so repeatedly and earnestly made, the general ground of justification is established under which her Majesty's present government are warranted in laying before you a proposal relating to this important question. I venture to request from the house, not only for myself, the patience and indulgence which I have received at its hands time innumerable, but likewise for the question I have to introduce, that grave and earnest attention which belongs to a matter of such a serious order. (Hear, hoar.) It may be said with respect to the origin of this question , that it is emphatically the work of the House of Commons. Let me remind the house, as the time has now long gone by, and as many have taken their seats on these benches for the first time—let me remind the house of what hap pened in the beginning of the year 1851. And I must say that the event which then occurred was of a nature to saddle the responsibility connected with the introduction of thisquestion, in a high and peculiar sense, not on one or another government, but upon the body of the House of Commons. (Hear, hear.) It was an independent member, the hon. member for Surrey (Mr. L. King), who, on Feb. 20, 1851, moved for leave to bring in a bill to grant a £lO occupation franchise in counties. The sole opponent of that motion was my noble friend at the head of the Govern ment. Every other speaker either approved or was silent on the occasion. (Laughter.) Every other usual speaker —every other authority of this house—either approved or was silent on the occasion. The Government were beaten by a majority. The minority consisted of 52 members, and among these 52 there were not, I think, more than 12 or 15 who sat on the benches of the party opposite ; so that it cannot be denied that the first initiation of the subject, in the form in which it now comes before us—having begun as to extending the county franchise only, it was perfectly well known that a change in the county must cause a change in the boroughs also—the initiation of the subject was in a peculiar sense the work of the House of Commons —and therefore, in inviting you to co-operato with us, the advisers of the Crown, in endeavouring to bring it to a solution, r am inviting you not merely to relieve us from a difficulty, but how to work i §ul4ect that i 4 of couuuou in terest to yourselves. The election of a new Parliament naturally made the Government feel that the time has arrived when it was right the sense of the representative s of the people should be again taken with regard to the laws which regulate our electoral system. The duty of the Government was a very plain one. No doubt they had before them the record of former failures; no doubt they had to deal, as was obvious, with the state of the pub lic mind—not clear, definite, and resolute, but rather bewil dered and indecisive. But their duty was plain. It was to exarnine the materials of the case, to cast aside every consi deration narrower than those that belong to a great public and national interest—not to inquire what would be for the benefit or convenience of this party or that—(hear, hear)—to be more studious of the substance thltn of the shadow or the need of their own constituencies—to apply their minds and the best powers at their commands to the freming of a prudent and an effectual measure, and then to await the issue at the hands of Parliament ; but so far as depended on them, having framed that measure, to sustain and sup port it with all the energy and decision in their power. (Cheers.) The first question wo had to consider was a most important one ; it was whether we were to attempt legis lation in the present :session, or whether we should be content with mere inquiry. It was beyond all dispute that a careful examination of the facts of the case lay at the very threshold. It was want of information, definite and authentic information, which formed the greatest matter of contention during the debates in the year 1860. It was scarcely possible in that year to get clearly at the points in issue. Such were the doubts, such the misgivings, such the scepticism, with regard to the figures on one side and the other, we felt that if we were to come to an issue upon the merits of the case we must endeavour to make both ourselves and Parliament masters of .the facts of the case. (Hear, hear.) Well, wo did not delay. I believe at the first Cabinet meeting after the funeral of our lamented head, but certainly before approaching any other domestic question of a public character, we applied ourselves to con sider and to frame heads under which the necessary infor mation may be obtained. As soon as these could be framed, the necessary measures were taken for obtaining that in formation, and I am bound to say that the assistance re ceived from the Poor-law Department, and in particular the labours of Mr. Lambert, who has been the person prin cipally concerned, were, in point of ability and assiduity, everything that we could desire. (Hear, hear.) And I think that if members, whether they sit on this side of the house or that, will institute au examination of the volume which has been laid on the table, they will admit that in the collec tion of that volume the time has not been misspent, and they will likewise admit that they have found the advan tage of approaching the consideration of this important question with such a knowledge and such a mass of facts as was never before collected. (Hear.) We, therefore, can truly say that no time has been lost. Had we found that it was not possible by the means at the command of the Government to obtain information which should be full in its scope and range, and authentic and trustworthy in its character, we should have no hesitation in seeking the aid of Parliament, and postponing legislation until such infor mation had been obtained. But when we saw what could be done, and when, as materials had begun to grow in our hands, wo perceived what could be done, we had no doubt of satisfying both branches of the Legislature with regard to the sufficiency of our knowledge, and therefore we had not the least hesitation in pledging ourselves so early as the commencement of the session to the introduction of a measure on the subject. (Hear, hear.) Now, sir, I have been anxious to explain how it is that the time has been spent not merely for the reason—comparatively of secon dary importance—that there had been, he re and there, not unnaturally, some indications of a disposition to murmur at the delay in the production of these papers, or to ascribe it to hesitation, or want of purpose on the pert of the Go vernment. Sir, undoubtedly that has not been the case ; and so anxious have we been to give the House of Com mons, so far as we could, the same means of judging with ourselves, that 1 can truly state that on Friday evening, I for one could not obtain for my own use a complete and finished copy of these papers ex cept the copy which was laid upon the table of the House of Commons, and which of .course passed out of my hands. But the question of time has an importance very different from that.which it derives from its connec tion with vague rumours or vague imputations. It has this importance, that it is now the 12th of March when I make to yon the first proposal, and that, adverting to the approach of the Easter recess, it would not be possible for us to ask you to read the bill a second time until the second week of April. Therefore, sir, we have felt, as prudent and as practical men, we lead to measure what our powers might be with regard to the legislation in the pre sent session, and of course the question arose for conside ration, Are eve to have what is called a complete measure, or are - we to have one that is incomplete ? Now, sir, I would ask members of the house to consider what is meant by a complete revision of our representative system ; and I must omit from the idea of a definition of a complete re vision, or from the explanation of it, some branches of legislation which are favourites, or which have been favourites, with some members of the house, but which we as a Government do not admit it to be necessary or de sirable to take into consideration. Ido not refer to such questions as secret voting or the question of the shorten ing of Parliament, but I allude to what would strictly be admitted to belong to a complete revision of our represen tative system ; for we, like every one else, are sensible of the immense advantage which would attend an operation by which you are enabled to deal with the whole range of the question at a single stroke. (Hear, hear.) But, in the first place, there must be a consideration of the franchise in England and Wales, and there must be—and perhaps it is still more urgently required —a con sideration of the franchise in Scotland. The subject of the Irish franchise, too, must be considered, although that is in a simple state, because the nature of the present electoral arrangements is much more perfect as far as the machinery is concerned. Then comes not one question, but the whole group of questions, which are included in the common phrase of " redistribution of seats." The question between the three kingdoms—the question between town and country—the question between total extinction of the capital punishment such as was inflicted in schedule A, between the milder method of amputation administered in schedule B, or that mildest method of all, which was that adopted by my noble friend at the head of the Government in 1852—1 mean the method of grouping towns together. (Cheers.) All these are matters that must go under careful considera tion. Then there comes another question that can never be avoided when you review the electoral system, namely, the consideration of whether in all cases the present boundaries of boroughs are such as the exigencies of those boroughs naturally require. To meddle with the boundaries of boroughs for the sake of affecting the question of town and country representation and the balance of interests would, in my opinion, be a gross abuse ; but, on the other hand, whatarecal y le b dt t h h e e n p a u tu b r li a e l b oun daries of each bo rou g h, as determined convenience from time to time, not only natural and useful, but it is an essential part of any complete review of our electoral system. There is, I am sorry 'to say, another matter belonging to that roe iew which I do not believe to be less urgent now than at any other period— that is, to consider the state of the law with respect to corrupt practices. (Cheers.) We do not intend to make any promise upon this subject; it is as difficult as it is im portant ; but I am afraid the urgency for it is in no degree diminished, and undoubtedly it cannot be passed over by any Government attempting io make a complete review of the representative system. Then, clearly, there is the important question of the provision—no doubt of a less arduous nature, but still fairly a question—for the ad ministration of all machinery connected with the work ing of the proceedings at elections. Well, Sir, these sub jects, great in themselves, and complex in themselves, have been flu ther complicated by the speculations of many men of great ability and great authority, who have thought that the time has come when, taken on the one side, the demand for the extension of the franchise, and on the other side the difficulty which we have to encounter with respect to an undue distribution of power among the different classes of the community—the time has come when, introducing propositions in one form or another which are of importance, one or other or several of them may be supported by arguments most ingenious, and by authorities most weighty—propositions of which it may be emphatically said, that they are in the old English sense innovations, and which as being innovations never came under the review and criticism of this house without a careful, searching, and jealous examination. (Cheers.) Was it possible for us to suppose that as we now stand we could expect that Parliament would give itself to the com plete review I have described in the present session ? It is very good, it is very much conformable to the habits o f this country, and to our constitutional practices, to enter tainar.a_ a high idea of what we call the omnipotence o f parlia ment. ment. Time and.space cannot yet be annihilaotewdheavteee make lovers happy, or for any other pP ve t r o . in whichNvith th e se subjects. Nei ther command, an A d n t d he l p w o a s n i t t i t ri o know rr e i s s e s d, ti:n n e d a w t our command, and the position i 1 we s tand, and what is the time requisite for dea lin g th a e r r ds of th t e h e t s i n e q uneosltvi oantsoiuslrvceoruyigmd i a ffi ti c d t t o h answer. ink, so A far as s r w e e :salivae from ll prop stheethheousesecofnedr thisrtehaediinng middle e e o f mea July, swe Which hlilvtehbheik troduation of , w can reckon, if we obtai n b.ll Won the will be the latest period a t which such a bi ll could be sent on the 12th12AtphrAil,prainldansdu p th P e os m in i g dd t up to the House of Lords, I find the Government nights would amount to twenty-four, and one-half at least of those must necessarily be occupied by the financial business of the nation and of supply, and beyond that we shall have nothing to depend upon but the cbarity of private mem bers and the crumbs which may fall into our lap. (Oh! oh !) What have we found in former years ? In 1860 we spent months, I may say, in trying to do nothing, but there is one example, the great example of the Reform Act, which may give us some idea of the time occupied by a complete review of our electoral system. One single bill of the three out of which the Reform Act grew—one single one of those three bills—occupied in one of its three forms 50 nights of the House of Commons. I believe I should under state the case if I said that 100 nights at least were requi si_a for the complete review of the electoral system which was achieved in 1831 and 1832. It may be said, and said very truly, that at that time there was a political heat and eXcitement and apprehension that does not now exist. MK ZINN. do not suppose anysuch review as I have indicated would require a less amount of time in the present day. Then let me point out the time occupied in passing that act, which ' was not less than six or eight times the extent of that which is now even the most sanguine estimate of our time .tint Y ohi osoueyrunno domestic. u d nuirt i st i t d otrl e3O esdsante winter,lcorerb sacrificed, completelygcaadea nns,obligations, ybdno:::uttyeaore,nung. reviewturned nuey dern the oduuepwc d d ‘nidanl electoral aldy;e m intoeveryaa nnd night yiogoo s hnu y tes sacrificed aeni sacrificecmvar ie s ; but fimsc,maaei ydi you were compelled to do it—all other legislation which required debate and serious discus sion for two years. These are not the circumstances in which we now stand. Wo may now reckon, I have no doubt, upon very fair and indulgent treatment with respect, to the progress of a measure of this kind. Do not let it bo supposed for a moment that I am apprehensive of what is called obstruction. The other day my eye fell upon a pas-. sage uttered a few years ago by the right hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Disraeli). In 1860 he said we should treat this subject without delay, but with that deep and deliberate investigation of a great subject which, was in accordance with the freedom of discussion frir which the Parliament of England was characterised. A nd the right hon. gentleman was justified in that observation, and we should be guilty of a breach of duty if we should now follow any other course. We do not doubt for one moment that the first point of importance is that which re-., lates to the enfranchisement of large masses of our countrymen, who are now excluded from the electoral suf frage. When I use the words largo masses do not let me be misunderstood. I mean large numbers. We have thought it right to lay upon the table such a bill as that on which we could ask the judgment of Parliament, and not that, which would add to the discreditable failures that hay, -0 already occurred—one which would be still more disastrous and discreditable. A question from an hon. baronet 'oppo site has alrezidy given me an indication as far as the Scotch franchise is concerned. Wo must not suppose that we can and perhaps We e w a il d l m be it a t s h k a e t d t , he present pl an support this qu es ti on of England without being prepared to i d s ea in l c w om it p h le it te i , n will you com plete it ? I have ever been averse—and I think it is an, aversion justified by general observation and experience-- I have ever been averse to deal in pledges for future periods. Because such is the number and variety of circumstances which must affect the position and duties of the Govern ment of an empire like this at future periods that, in my opinion, we must leave it to the future to determine the opportunities to deal with important questions. But I am, free to say—while I am convinced that the question, th e group of questions, included in the complex idea of Pariia mentary Reform is beyond the power of any one session, and that which remains of the present—l think there can not be the smallest doubt, if the Government find it their duty to take this subject in hand, we are convinced that the present Parliament is perfectly' competent to discuss and decide it. (Laughter and cheers.) llav:ng arrived at the conclusion that wo ought to deal with the question of parliamentary representation, it was obvious to us that if we did not revise the bill for which we were certainly respon sible as a Government, and one the greater part composed of the same individuals of 1860, at least it formed for us the natural starting point of inquiry. I will first of all take the question of county representation. That question is happily set, I will not say with intrinsic difficulties, but with touch less jealousy and much less apprehension than the question of representation in the boroughs. In the bill of 1860 a proposal was made that we should adopt the bill of my hon. friend the member for Surrey, to reduce the occupation in counties from £3O to £lO. What we now propose is a, modification of the plan of my hon. friend. My statement is not precisely accurate in saying reduce ; but it is sufficiently accurate for general purposes. We propose to reduce the county franchise in counties from £5O t0.£14. (Laughter, and cries of "Hear, hear.") This franchise will not precisely correspond with the £5O franchise as it now exists. .We leave the £5O franchise precisely as it now stands. The occupation franchise which we propose be tween £5O of value and £l4 value will be an occupation franchise, not of land alone, but of house or of house and land. (Hear, hear.) That is the nature of the plan. There is no great difficulty in estimating from the papers which have been laid upon the table the amount of enfranchise ment which these changes will produce. It would corres pond as nearly as possible with the effect of a £l2 rating franchise. if hon. gentlemen will refer to the volume of statistics furnished with respect to the.£l2 rating franchise, they will find that its effect, after making a proper deduc tion from those who do not claim, and for those who do not occupy a sufficient tame, that it would add to the present list—present number of county voters—about 171,000 per sons. Now, it maybe asked, why do we not go down to the limit of £lO ? Ido not know. I certainly cannot say that there is any danger as far as I am able to discern. But, upon the whole, what we think is this, that by the change which is now recommended wo shall obtain not only a very large but a very independent addition to the county constituency. At least we think this, that by going from £l4 to £lO we should probably render it not more but less independent. We do not anticipate the existence of jealousy or apprehension with regard to this considerable enfranchisement, bcause I think that it will be held on all hands—l certainly entertain the opi nion strongly—that it must be viewed as a middle-class enfranchisement, in the same sense, or rather more strongly than that in which the present franchise is a middle-class franchise. We have looked further into this matter to see whether, under the present law, there were interests of a strictly proprietary character connected with tenure belonging to the county which was not provided for. And wo found this state of the law with regard to the county franchise derived from property within the limits of boroughs—l mean cities. We found that a man possessed of a 40s. freehold within a borough drew for the 40s. a county vote, but if he had a copyhold or a lease hold—which is rather common, but which is just as true a proprietary interest as the 40s. freehold—he was not en titled to vote for it in the county. We therefore propose, by a clause in the bill, to place the possessor of copyholds and leaseholds within the limitd of the boroughs, and sub ject exactly to the same definitions which now govern the right of voting beyond those limits. We propose to ex tend it to them, and so exactly, under the same conditions, to come upon the county voting. 1 cannot estimate the numerical effect of this. It would not bo possible to ob tain materials for the purpose, but it cannot be large. I think it must be good as far as it goes—(hear, hear)—be cause it is a kind of representation thoroughly germane to now to another topic, f I allude to the subject of those franchis es the allocrf the ee only county other constituency. need, a affecting eti come ng the coun ty . other than those of tenure and of occupation, which have been called special franchises and bye franchises. [An 13 oN. MEMBER —What franchise ? I Special franchises and bye franchises. A number of these franchises were proposed by Lord Aberdeen in the bill of 1854, and I think the last was even extended in the bill of 1859. We have very care fully considered the motive of those franchises, and the question that bears on their introduction. There is one of these special or bye franchises which wo shall recommend to the favourable consideration of Parliament—the savings bank franchise. As far as it goes, this franchise meets a feeling prevalent in the country, and one to which we are disposed to give way—that it is desirable to include within the constituent body, by a method of spontaneous selection, men who could not be included by any kind of franchise founded on the old principle of occupation or tenure. It was true, without doubt, that provident habits enable many persons in early youth and in humble circumstances, not having any holdings, to amass little stores by the time they came of age, and thereby to entitle themselves to take part in the choice of those who aro to govern the country. A savings -bank franchise has this advantage—that it is not attended with any complication of tenure or title. An in spection of his savings -bank book will tell you at any moment whether a man is qualified as a savings-bank de positor. We, therefore, propose that all adult males who a are depositors of £5O or upwards in a savings-bank, an d have passed that deposit for two years, shall be entitled Place be registered for the place where they clause would the voters who would come in.residdeer. be admitted by be cause in towns the bulk of them franchise,mber o i p t e per other would reside would commonly be ouutsitdduenth e t t o h N i v s n returns show that I: w f h ra o la w ch o lse uld s. true that the recent sa a v l i e ng a a positors of £5O, and that there are 94,000 adult male their deposits for two years, by other franchises ; and we of these 87,000 have recollect that a large number of these b 0 Pithadmitted r . egsa_erbdnadutlevoi thistbo persons will be . mind the deduction that is to be made bear in must also effect of any provision for the eaten be apparent from t But then we reue adn - Led ; aof the franchise when that franchise is accompanied with the condition of making an annual claim, which is inevitable in this case. If this franchise adds 10,000 or 15,000 to tho number of voters, I believe that it is the out side ; but it is good so far as it goes, and we believe it will have a tendency gradually to extend itself. That completes what I have to say as to the county franchise. The en franchisement of the counties will be a middle-class enfran chisement. It will notgive the working classes an increased share share in the representation ;ou the contrary, 1 nish that share proportionally, because the representation c onfined to of the working classes, which ill counties wi come to the the county voters than it did before. tolclearness if I first borough franchise. It will inhabitantsconduce the smaller freeholders, will form a smalllleerwpisroportion of of towns, for call attention to the fact that the are to be dealt with in the purpose of enfranchisement, are aratoly rented building, habit a separate house, or other re P he o f those men who in habit proper objects of the four distinct classes. Ono consisso and pay their rates; thosethose are who inhabit their own householders. Next come rated, but who do not pay Reform Act of 1832, and house, or who are separately those I shall call ratepaying h by their landlords, under their own rates, are r Paid under local acts ; those I shall Act, or Thirdly, there is a designate compound regard to whom it appears that they class of persons with to enfranchisement, but whose the Small Tenants'wh ic in Jaw claim have now claim is rarely valid.l mean those who inhabit a part of a house, but who do not pay their own rates, and whose separately h a bitations are not rated. Lastly, the re are lodgers , proper-y 1 s o called—that is, persons who h o ld an d inhabit rooms of their own, but who are inmates of the h ou se and family of another man. The two first classes we think, are properly householders ; the two latter, we think, must be regarded as lodgers, and dealt with as such T4.:, _ ~ r.." 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