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justify a ail vhc! , melr! . v., lc c onfess t seems an &ers, eermg) prevent to be it be: ,ult it 0 mys elf under ;hat are at those r of re' to 10t! gut 1 end 31 r,; Divide iinutes• ling tir .emoveu' form 6 ly Staff. ionli tha t ,wide o any O 1 do so,'" Gent') Bari&s. ) taterneo. t t, jute% ct and 0 1 Hom e. passcu' ; used to llowsne° r:u tleins; , to n so - Jog a cute pain, and was troubled with severe indisposition -44) much so, that he had not intended to take any part in the de bate. But he understood that a speech of his, addressed to his constituents, had been re f erre d to b y t h e H on. Member f or Derbyshire. and which was more pointedly noticed by the Member for Finsbury. He felt it his duty to advert to the observations which he made to the electors, and he should be w anting in that respect which he owed to those who sent him to that House if he did not declare the motives which should ac tuate him i n t h e vote he intended to give. He would be proud to rup to the pl e d ges h e gave his constituents, and he felt urged, a painful sense of duty, to separate, upon th e p resent occasion from those with whom he had hitherto acted in public life.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") He stated to his constituents the course which it was his intention to pursue for the future, as he did the motives which hitherto guided him in public life. I t wou ld il l become him who had for 18 years the acted with a parti cu l ar party, at the present moment to desert m, but, differing from those who sat opposite on great and important questions he could not hesitate upon the course Which he s h ou l d then take. There were many topics also upon which he and the Gentlemen of the Opposi tion benches still agreed, and he heard with great and sincere Pleasure the sentiments expressed in the speech of the leader of the Whig party, the Member for South De °ollBhirc• He heard also, with great delight, the address of the Noble Lord, the Member for Northumberland, whose t alents and sentiments were worthy of his Noble Father— (Cries of Hear, hear)—with whom he ( Sir J. Graham) had 7 long act e d, and also of the Member for the West Riding of rkshi re. The Right Hon. Baronet continued—l concur p i f ullY, with the N o bl e Lord, the Member for N or th um b er l an d, pacin g mor e confidence in the head of the Ministry than uo in all the other persons who compose the Administration. agree with him that the conduct of the Right Hon. Baronet, daring the period I served under EarlGrey,was to be distinguish ed from that for which his present colleagues were remarkable. di d state to my const i tuents, and I repeat here, that consider ing th e ta l ents of the Right Hon. Gentleman, his private fortune, a nd public integrity, I did regard him with very different Sentiments from those I entertained for a large portion of those now forming his Administration, to whom, and to whose i k lea Nres I hav e throughout lay public life been opp ose d. °w, I mean t o say t h at, enterta i ning these opinions, there - "ld be great inconsist enc y i n not vot i ng f or t h e amen d ment. Laughter, and cries of hear, from the Opposition.) I mean address --(Cheers from the Mini s t er i a l s id e )-- o f t h e No me Lord. If I could arrive at the conclusion to which my N o bl e Friend has arrived, considering the vote of last evening, and that in the event of the Ministry being placed in a minority, if I e° ° l, l believe that an immediate overthrow of the Administration could not ensue, agreeing with my Noble Friend, Member for t °tall Lancashire, as to the character of the King's Speech,more ; ttie ularlY with respect to that part which is of vital im ' nmee, that which relates to Corporation Reform— Friend-n cries of Rear, hear")—l agree with my Noble that the public elind is made up upon that point— Hear, hear, hear)—that if is a subject which branches forth ' a n t° tore directions the one relating to trust property, Il ti e t ,, l LI N s° all the abuses in the administration of it—(Hear, R.1.;-that that is a complicated subject which requires c onsideration, and the other when the intention of ski n . irnstees are matter of inquiry ; on that point I . . do ter toe public mind is made up, and to whom by the Minis e' this country a great concession must be made— bo„har,, hear )—but I say, entertaining those opinions, lam a mend to Say d that I should have been disposed to agree to the en t 'ruent, had it not been that consider the effect would Ir e 4:1 came to a very different conclusion—( Hear).— pi te r a i. that contemplated by my Noble Friend, namely, that of a or . 1 1, for th e secon d t i me, h i s Majesty's Ministers in a mi telY durin g the first week of the new Parliament.—( Hear.) to uIY constituents, that it had been my misfortune not t rui Put implicit confidence in Lord Melbourne's Adminis gi• - that his Majesty's present Government had 44 411 'large and ample promises of Reform measures ; into that I thought, from very particular circumstances, • traich it is now unncessary for . me to enter, and which if It Wet. h is e necessary, i` bare not sufficient strength ' to detail, if 4r.„7;aiesty's Government were honest in their intentions of re e ;',;aC those reform meosures into effect, they do possess the th e and they do possess the facilities which no administration, I th lro, lation of which I can now contemplate would possess. tilt'4ll therefore not vote against any motion which should s ir to me to have a factious tendency, and intended for pr o ,j' 4l 'Pose of destroying the Administration before it should th, r ll ,,ce its measures. ( Hear, hear. ) lam determined but e re not only not to strike withont hearing them, pose think it un j ust to str ik e t h em f or th e pur - S ti , h " Preventing their being heard.--( Grea't cheering. ) Ithi " r e my opinions, and to th ose o p in i ons I still adhere. g a i ned h it is b u t j ust i ce and candour to the large promisosi con kin,.d in the Ki ng ' s speech, that we should give the p resent titi o W t ers a fair trial—( Cries of " Oh, oh," from the ern Oppo- L it ad" Hear" f rom t h e Mi n i ster i a l s id e o f the House.) Hon. tayth-eY ra are surprised, th e y are aston i s h e d t h at I s h ou ld are large promise I thnk the pomes large, Which h ive already said s. i that I consider r the is terms in ts ta hose pro m i ses h ave b een conveye d , are extremely I Put e •••-••( Che ers f rom t h e oppos i t i on.) I am prepared • 'nth of those promises t o th e t est . I w i s h to try t h e Rill t he present Ministers.—( Ch eers .) I th in k measures 4 4 7 produssed such as are professed, and will the %l e nt] of the subject of corporation reform, about think ,t confess I entertain jealous apprehensions, I ( ehe measures of Ministers will be satisfactory.— t4 te t i e- 'rnmthe Ministerial side of the House.) I have tow s elsewhere , and I nosv restate it here, that feeling r ds th ' , e present Government that certain degree of . want uenee I have already stated, my sense of duty is not Aliurte said any belief of my support, and all that Op v e s e i el .',„'d I will do is this, I will protect them . against the don, which appears to me to assume a factions character. eof n IY utmost to put them upon their trial for the Nat I,:me peopl e o f E ng l an d.—( H ear , an d cheers.) The 11 :, 4 (le b;": 3 fe particularly rose t o a ll u d e t o i s th e d ec l arat i on m eat he Honourable Member for . Derbyshire in his com fits ; t1 some rech of mine to my constituents. . •18 /3 . u St J ORI E explained. ''',in's r s r ' e r was about to be revived in a form, pure and purged soh°,"---(Tremendous cheering from the Opposition.) o;•t,Ments. so cordially adopted by Honourable Mem fat t tle other side do not in the least disturb me. Jid 4 laugh.) But the charge has been made because al e ot e c ontradict a . foul and false report in a newspaper. ;es,, z y sat on that side of the House, these were not eon 114getiPur,e Whig principles and conduct ; but we . have ti t „ "i 1 that._ ( Hear hear, and great cheering.) •L• . o ndon is no longer represented by the wealthy and a rch er f members of that city, b u t by m y H on . F r i en d th e fr or oc Finsb ury .—( H ear , h ear .) Wi t h respect to w h at t' N in my address to my constituents, I said that I kin think that I could well support an Administra ikt, aeu_Posed of • k materials more objectionable, because com ita:44oiinliien to whom I had been all my life opposed. th's, t pet IY great objections to the composition of the con thq cf 1 Ord Melbourne, which was as different from ) 1 , 4 „ t 0f t2 r ,,d Grey as that of the Right Hon. Baronet is from tilid "iu Melbourne If this were the proper opportunity I t it cl utel t i t ut,o that subjeCt more at large, and I would satisfy the ' °ll tt S u chjection to the government of the Right Hon. 4,ce, l a that I could not give it my unlimited con& th e pr ` +sded, that not seeing . my way to the es t) "e of a better administration on the overthrow Witkctrent; I should to the best of my . power resist he, Per aus oPposition.—( Cheers from the Ministerialists. ) sea thi°;_nal inconvenience, and under much suffering, I ti th ed e h e ' 1 Purpose appeared in my place this night.---( Re ). The point to which I now wish to refer, t s %L et iiese id intend to touch upon it when I arose—but my • 141' ata t is to give a contradiction as direct as I an express it, Othi; e e r aent that has been made by the Hon. c Member for ISI3 %L„°' G , ORNE—I said that I entirely disbelieved it. it 'Pp% AHAM_That may be one of the new tactics of c,, t ....0r t '0n to give circulation to rumours which they disbe t Cs; remendous cheering from the Ministerial benches. ) tptiqPiSiresPcsition I can call no other than a Babel Opposition ; it r ,„ °l 4 W tii many tongues and discordant languages—new t onl d otherla---Moderate and Ultra-Radicals and Repealers. Ils a Motives were wanting for my present vote, it f),:nt s ,: that into such a coalition I am not prepared It 111 3' : -- c Loud cheering from the Ministerial benches.) tttiVltelliertiht, although an old Whig—( Cheers and laughter,. t ktn„ t t s o e ;_., r emainder of the sentence was lost.) With git t ; et ti t , ue , rumours which have been scattered abroad, the titice„ em have been sown by the wayside, and ;°, s t Pars-„, root and sprung up ; but I do deny 1 41 Thy Noble Friend and myself, and on the part of Who Occupy this section of the House— Oti deny la 1. hit 14d.tily tig...ter from the Opposition)—l repeat it, that the preeth,Clat unequivocally that any communication, directly gror - ( An Hon. 'Member here made an observation to o which was followed by loud cries of "Oh," from . 41 '444 : 1° u.) I trust that Hen. Members will allow me 1;441444,„.1.11Y Noble Friend has suggested to me that t, ll 14)r-iation has been made by the Government No t , t4 cht, ar _,ne has been tendered from us to the Go s''ort, ,nt ' 1 I believe it is impossible to give the 1 - i e lle ..tore flat and decided contradiction.—( Cheers. ) rezplanati h e .refo sed on ad been asked or received.-4 Cheers. ~.(v•Pend e to share in the Government and pro ess to act S' 4 l4 Go it Part —if refusing to share the responsibility p ot ° !e.rtirent, I had by any underhand intrigue te I join them, should now agree to give them my Ist::estel,a,a°ll4l consider myself as unfit for siring I,`,l_le constituents I now have the honour of r o .7 1 the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Duncombe) says entiOs eade `ne effect that no man can give, in these times, ort to a Government, without being t l is k t , lll ir g ith :,: the c ti m PP •—( Hear, hear.) I say and believe, r; ante "len who may vote in favour of the N „ sot w h o who have usually voted with the Whigs, 11 1 ,, with 04, .us. act an independent part, and if the Hon. skOs pi 4 sts ncl::inns to know their names, he may read them N ..The L,‘. divisions which will appear in the Morning ti , l / 4 4 e Sight Hon. Gentleman sat down amidst loud di d ONN c r ,11 .;..,i f .- . E LL rose and was rece i ved w i th loud cheers. at id s° such a thing as a f ac ti ons o pp os iti on , n t , ° t) ~„, e n a th ing as factious supporters.—( Great 4totapu there ,tie a. coalition on one s id e , t h ere i s a eoa ys l'idi e Z e d of exe.eSsively bad materials, and at least the other . s l in7; sorry, and I assure the NO, i t "' tre spass you at t e r a e! . ret that it is v t. N se c with a upon If I could , Of ` I:11 , Ittr, Bens .e of my duty to my unforti:t'ale i a_n7 11, 1 4r 1 , 3 of " Oh, oh," from Lord Steno., a ta St • cok e, Z c ift perceive the quarter from whence . can bear them with perfectly good 10AttpZ(ei, Hear bear, hear.) Would to God that my sit'_ kat a ,„." n trY had nothing more to bear than I. ,_is,:t rU t P il t itt i° ll l —( Cheers from the Opposition.) I ass unaffectedly sorry, and I regret sincerely to be compelled to trespass upon the House at this late period of the discussion, when many who are present have been wearied with the subject, and when every topic that has been adduced has been exhausted. But I think I may confidently appeal to every person here pre sent, whether I could deem myself justified in refraining from offering some observations.—( Hear.) Personal reference has been made to myself ; the Right Hon. Baronet opposite has produced a letter, written and published by me. He has made it a part of his case—and I must candidly admit that in that letter my sentiments were greatly exaggerated. —( Hear, hear, and cheers.) The Honourable Member Ice Nottingham (Mr. Finch) also referred to me. He has taken me into his holy keeping—( Great laughter)—he has taunted me with the party cry of " Measures, not Men." My only reply to him shall be-14E118E1Rn, and not Men. ( Immense cheering.) The Hon. Member for Yarmouth, also (Mr. Praed), has poured his vial of wrath upon me— he has called me a dangerous person. lam sorry— ( Very emphatically)—l cannot return the compliment.— (Great cheering and laughter.) He is only dangerous to the party he supports. (Laughter.) I regret that he should follow the example of a class of men over whom he is so superior—the hireling writers of calumny.—. ( Cheers.) He ought to recollect that in that class are found individuals who are solely guided by their own interests, and ready to become the servile slave. of any man to whom pelf is offered. I feel it my duty to address the House—not so much on my own account, as upon the interests which are at stake in this great country, upon a party so divided in opinion —when her high patriots are so separated— when her Whigs are so uncertain and wavering (turning to Sir James Graham)—( Cheering )—when her Government is so weak (turning to Sir R. Peel).—( Continued cheering. ) I will first remind the House what is really the question before it. The question does not relate to any particular section or department--the question is whether we shall follow up the effects of that constitutional revolution which took away the power of nominating a majority in this House from the oli garchy, and gave it substantially to the people ?--( Cheers. ) The question is whether our :institutions shall receive amelio ration and improvement, or to remain in their present state ? A Parliament has been assembled, and a Government has been appointed, to meet that Parliament. The ques tion really is, whether that Government has come forward with those promises—with those pledges which may be relied on? The question is, whether as the representatives of a reform constituency meeting here at this time to respond to their demands, the Government hold out hopes and pro mises which are specific in their application, or whether there is ,not something to be added to make it more ex pli c i t ? The question is, whether the people of England will be satisfied with these expressions—(Loud cheers)— whether the people of Scotland will be satisfied ?—( Continued cheering.) I need not ask whether the people of Ireland will be satisfied, for one contemptuous sentence is all that is devoted to her. The substantial question for the country is not whether such has been made, or whether partial hopes have been held out ; but whether the answer to the King's speech be the ge nerous response of the country ?—( Hear.) Those who sup port the Address admit that the King's speech contains vague promises—that hopes are held out—that expecta tions are aroused; but I will tell them what it holds out— it holds out moonshine—it holds out a little to England, less to Scotland, and nothing at all for unfortunate Ireland. That is the predicament in which we are placed. I would not dwell on this subject ; for all has been said in extenuation of its hopes that the question really admits.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord, the Member for Liverpool, has exhausted its sources. I would take three or four of them as a specimen. The Noble Lord has posted his constituency, who have come forward with so noble a zeal in support of the consti tution; but the reason speaks for itself. He has put his case as a case of conscience, and he laboured here for more than a full hour, with that eloquence which I shall not attempt to prove, that the measures of the Administration, were quite as good as the men that the present Ministry was composed of—precisely the same materials as the Melbourne Administration. Why, the Noble Lord opposed the Melbourne Administration ; and I find, therefore, in this argument, nothing that can give me satisfaction on the subject. —( Hear.) He was followed by one of those parties professing himself perfectly independent—a hater of cabals, who is so consistent in his views. I allude to the member for Knares borough. He supported the address because he is a thorough Reformer, and in his zeal after reform has actually re formed himself ; but I must say he has reformed himself by the most extraordinary logical process that I ever heard.—(Laughter and cheers.) He supported the policy of the Whigs, and he supported their measures in connection with the principle of Reform. Now, however, from some unknown cause, he has declined to go along with them. A pro cess of re-action, I was at first somewhat at a loss to discover; but he told us at length that the majority of his constituents were anti-Tories, but there were others who were Tories, a ssd thus with the utmost impartiality gave his speech for the one, and his vote for the other.—( Cheers and laughter. ) The Noble Lord, the Member for Cumberland, will count in his list to-morrow, they will have him in that section of the House—l ca . !! it a section, it is not a party, and it- is denied that it is a faction, and therefore I will give you a name for it— I think we must call it a Tail—( Laughter.) How strikingly a draftsman might draw a caricature of this tail, headed by Lord Stanley, with a smile upon his countenance like a silver plate upon a coffin 1 The Cockermouth crutch of this detestation, of all collision supporting it.—(Laughter.) Yes, Sir, these are the ludicrous points of view that result from the present situation of this country. The Right Honourable Gen tleman is to-night to be saved—he is in no danger. To-morrow we shall hear his cry of triumph. But how is he to be saved? By the Tories ? No. By the Whigs ? The genuine Whigs have not been got over yet.—( Loud and continued cheering.) Whatever may become of speculations for places and negotiations for office, they have not yet been broken in upon. Difficulties may be got over—kind nesses may be held out—. and protection offered to the unfortunate, and to orphans ; but the Whig—the true Whig—the true friend of liberty, and the true Reformer, will stand firm.---(Loud cheering.) I doubt much the value of the Right Hon. Gentleman's protection, and even that of the Noble Lord and his sequents.—(Laughter. ) No I no he may carry Caner and his fortunes, but it may be said of him— " So down thy hill, romantic Ashbourne, glides, The Darby Dilly carrying six insides." —( Great laughter.) Sir, it is' quite congenial with the genius and spirit of any to mix merriment with woe ; and the sound of laughter is often heard when the tear of grief trembles upon the cheek. Ireland will weep when it hears of this collusion, this desertion from the cause of the people to the ranks of would-be patriots and would-be Ministers.---(Loud cheers. ) How many embryo Lords of the Treasury do I not see before me ?—how many Commissioners of the Board of Control ? how many Lords of the Admiralty ?—how many Presidents of tne Board of Trade ? There are plenty of them to make an Administration, but they do not enjoy the confidence of the country, nor of the high Conservatives, to entitle them to that distinction, and God forbid that the destinies of this country should ever be entrusted to men who neither know themselves, nor can be relied upon or trusted by others. I shall now return to the speech, and I will ask what does it promise beneficial either to England, Ireland, or Scotland ? It is remarkable for nothing but vagueness and generalities— it really promises nothing satisfactory. Yet you (addressing ministers) want a "fair trial."—( Hear, hear.) You are such novices in public life, the country does not know you. Yes, the country does know you—it knows you so well, that you may, perhaps, successfully chance an alibi ; but of one thing I am sure, your characters cannot avail you.— (Laughter and cheers.) You have been tried, and have been condemned—you were indicted, and convicted—you were indicted and condemned of numerous acts of mis rule.—( Lout cheers.) You stood, as long as you could. by Gatton and Ora Sarum, and yet you. want a trial ! ( Cheers.) You declareS: l the rotten borough system to be the perfecti o n, th e gloria decus et tutamen, of the British Constitution—you held that the nominC''s of the Aristocracy were the best and real representatives of the people, sanctioned and hallowed by long prescriptive authority, nd that human ingen u ity cou ld d ev i se not hi ng equal to it or so perfec:" —( Loud cheerin g .) It was your L or d an d Master who sa id this—he who hatched you for three weeks.--( Laughter. ) These were the Noble Duke's very words, and it was not alone in an Irish voce I heard this avowal made—l heard it in a strong Cumberland accent. Yes—they have been tried and convicted and they got a respite; they were permitted to put in a new species of defence. Did not the Right Hon. Gentleman ( Sir J. Graham) hear them indicted, yes, anti convicted too, and of what advantage has the time allowed them been to them ?—Great cheering. ) Will the Right Hon. Baronet's explanation satisfy the House? We are told that they are on their trial ;be it so. Let the House take the Speech and his explanation, and I will appeal to them, whether any verdict could be recorded against them than that of guilty.—( Continued cheering. )—The Right Hon. Baronet, in all the simplicity of character, says that he does not understand the principles of the Reform Bill. If that be the case, he would not question hi s un fit ness f or o ffi ce. —( Cheers.) Let any man but look at the speech, and it must satisfy him that it is the least testimonial of his incapacity for office. Let us but read the Speech, what does it recognise ? Merely that there is an agricultural distress existing, and that only re refers to England, and what remedy dees it propose ? Why, none. It is true, it purposes some relief from local taxa tion. Oh, what a contemptible and shabby offer I I will, Sir, ask any honest Englishman, Ought that to satisfy him ? And this paltry measure is for England alone. Scotland and Ireland suffering under an equally agricultural privation, no remedy is offered.—( Cheers.) Sir, I must say how much I have to express my surprise at the speech of the President of the Board of trade. He is now the Member for a county, and he has taken into his especial care the protection of the agricultural interests.—( Cheers.) He was formerly the Member for a borough : he then took an interest in the commercial interests of the country.--( Laughter.) Thei e was a scrumble about the Malt Tax. It was, Sir, for the purpose of catching popularity.--( Hear, hear, hear. ) They promised to make some alteration in local charges which were mere ideal. Many, very many, have got into the House under the pretence of being friends to the agricultural interests. They say to the people, we will protect your in terests, and it is only us that are capable of doing so. Was there ever such a delusion practised ?—( Cries of " No, no," from an Hon. Member. ) Mr. O'CONNELL—I thank the Hon. Member for cor recting me, and if he does not think so, why does not come and vote on this side of the House.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Member who contradicted him seem to say it as an honest man who would say " Speed the plough."—( Cheers. ) with respect to the malt tax, will the Government sup port the rer:,7al of the malt tax ? Will the section support the repeal of the malt ? Will the tail su p port t h e repea l o f the malt tax ? Shall we gd tail to tail on the malt tax.?—( Great cheering and laughter.) Put the country has already been deluded on the malt tax, and is will at 0 ! ) , 11 with precate )crtha yet 1 noble Cal)i ,by the rating umber time, nanncr carry ith in- THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 1835. trust to _ be better for tn. .. dually. 'lf you were to go a disagreeable smell behind. You no the agricultural interest of England, and yet psis you will do for that country ! To the agricultural in.. Scotland you have not even promised anything—and why Because she returned a majority of Members against you You have left her to pray ; but she could and did pray be fore, without and in spite of you, and she was more happy to pray in freedom at her mountains' side% in the enjoy ment of that liberty which is the choicest gift that man can receive, than if she had been surrounded with all the pomp of an expensive and luxurious Church Esta blishment. But Ireland is not to have anything at all in all this. Now to the next branch of your promised great works. We are told,ithat you will promote a commutation of tithes in England and Wales. There is no doubt that the present system of tithes has much aggravated the evil. It gives a great advantage to the clergy, by enabling them to levy the tithe at once, with out delay or compromise, and by giving them a prompt remedy against the tithe-payer. But I tell you that England will not trust you ; and if you give her such a commutation of tithe as you did to Ireland, she will be much better without it. It is therefore extremely equivocal on this subject, and as to the rest which is to be done for England, they are merely words of course. There is something said of ecclesiastical discipline. I had intended to pass by this subject as one foreign to me, but the Right Hon. Baronet will not allow me, because he has referred to Ecclesiastical juris diction of the Bishops over the Clergy, and quoted Ireland, as an instance of what has been done in this respect. As far as relates to the power of the Bishops over the clergy in spirituals, I discuss it not. Ido not believe in the doctrines, or approve of the discipline of the Church of England—that is your affair, not mine ; but this much I will say, if you mean to extend to England the system in operation in Ireland—if you intend to give the Bishop a despotic power over his clergy—if you give him an iron power of restraining the clergy and of licensing them to go abroad—if you encourage him to interfere in politics, he will never interfere for the purpose of checking those who take part against the rights of the people. It may happen that his authority will be exercised for other purposes. I ask whether this is the boon that is to be extended to England--is this the pledge which is to fascinate the Waverers—are these meant to be the deeds of ecclesiastical improvements which are to gain for the Administration the confidence of the people of England ?—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") The Speech does nothing more ; I have given you the entire. What, then, does it promise to the people of Scotland ? Why just this—it recommends the building of Churches. Could not the Scotch build Churches for themselves?— ( Loud cheering.) I know that in an infinitely poorer country the inhabitants build their own Churches. I know an instance in my own parish where in two years and a half an edifice has been erected, for which there has been already paid 12,300/., and when completed it will cost 20,000/. It is now fit for Divine service, and yet not a single penny was procured from any public fund.---( Cheers.) And therefore I say, with great respect to my Scotch friends, they should build churches for themselves. I would recom mend them if they want churches to hire some of the dis senting houses, or perhaps it would be better to hire a dissenting Minister. I come to that part of the question which is most interesting. I have more than once thrown myself upon the indulgence of the House, and at the close of the last Session on the debate for the repeal of the Union—l acknowledge with gratitude the attention with which I have been heard. I have been received with more attention than I possibly could deserve, and which I must attribute only to the kind considoiation of the cause of which I was the advocate. With respect to Ireland what is your policy ? Is not your presence the greatest curse to that country ? I ask is there a man who has been ever distinguished for his hatred, his truculency, and his persevering animosity to the Catholics of Ireland, who has not rallied round you ? Is it true ! I have it confidently, that the grand mas ter of the Orangemen of Ireland is Lord Steward of the Household ( Hear, hear.) If it be untrue, my observations don't apply to it; but if it be true, what is the country to think? Now, Sir, I heard a good exposition respect ing Orangemen thrown out by the Hon. Member for Sligo in his usual native good humour. Now, I tell him, and I tell you, that the Orange system is illegal, and I have got it from the speech of the Honourable Gentleman himself, although he seems to think that no society is considered to be an illegal society, but a society bound by an oath. Why, Sir, if that were so, all the upper classes would dispense with the oath which we are reading every day in the newspapers, as being taken by those who are sworn in in such and such places.—( Hear, hear.) I ask him, is there not a declaration made by every man who be comes an Orangeman ? Is he not obliged to declare he is a Protestant, and not a Catholic ?—and is there not a test by which they are known to each other, and which is kept as a secret ? How then again, I would ask, is not every society that has a secret, illegal by Act of Par liament ?—( Hear, hear.) But I put it to this House and I put it to an English people—is it not too bad to have Ireland in this situation, that all her instruments of Govern ment should be selected from that party ?—( Hear, hear.) or if they be not directly selected by that party, they are to be nominated by its confidential advisers and pretending friends. —( Cheers.) Now, how does it interfere with the administration of justice, the brotherhood in secret? the criminal to be tried is a Catholic, does he know his prosecutor? No, but be is to be tried by twelve Orangemen; that is the great evil, and the question is, how are we to avoid it ? Ido not wish to discuss this question with harshness. I heard the cry of exultation—l saw the triumph—l marked the altered mien—l saw the war of separation since the Go vernment came into power, and the persons with whom I have acted have treated me with calumny, because they thought that I was doing all that I possibly could to give peace to Ireland—( Great cheering.) With respect to the state of that unhappy country, I ask whether it has not been repeatedly admitted that Ireland had been misgoverned. At the time of the Union Lord Clare proclaimed that a faction had governed Ireland, that a millenium had been pro mised. but had not taken place, when no distinction was to exist between Ireland and this country.—( Cheering. ) Up to the Union that state of things was admitted—since the Union have things been better? You (pointing to the Trea sury Bench) have been all Secretaries for Ireland, and know the baneful nature of your rule. You have this time, I grant you, appointed a good tradesman to the Chan cellorship of Ireland, but what has he been doing since he went over to Ireland ?—why receiving addresses from the Crooked-buildings and such other places. Let me sup pose that, instead of such a good tradesman, you had sent us, not a man like Sir Edward Sugden, who had forced himself up by his talents—you had found a man of family who by his influence had been raised to the dignity of a Puisne Baron of the Exchequer, and who had sat for an hour and a half for some few days in that situation, and then you sent him over to Ireland as her Chancellor, that he should preside over us for 25 years; and suppose that his decrees should have been reversed, not in the ratio of 50 per cent. certainly, but I will say ten out cf twenty—( A laugh)__ and, at least, a third of the remainder—( Hear, hear, and loud laughter)—Suppose for 25 years you had the country under such a Chancellor, who cared for" nothing save a pun or a jest, was there any redress in this House —was there one voice in this House raised in favour of the country ? No—the country was ruled, in a legal sense, by one in whom not an Irishman would trust the decision of a case involving the value of two shillings and sixpence ; yet such was our Chancellor for the full period of twenty-five years. Then, who have we for our Chief Justice of the Common Pleas ? I shall not describe him, for it would be too ridicu lons —( Hear.) I went round the bar on his appointment, and found not one in favour of his appointment—( Impatience. ) lam telling facts of history—of the history of Toryism in my own country. In that Court, as in all others, there are fees upon records and remanets--of course the plaintiff pays them —a nephew or other relative of the Judge was clerk, and of course in that Court the plaintiff always got a verdict. I myself in many instances stated to my client that he had no case, nor no merits, and that he would get no verdict ; but after all, the verdict was obtained by the plaintiff because he was plaintiff, and it was in the Court of Common Pleas.—(No, no.) It is daniesi ; but that is one of the worst features of Toryism, that facts which are notorious to all are whispered to be untrue. An Act of Parliament at length passed, taking away the fees of this Court. A case was submitted to me, and I advised the attorney not to defend it ; that, in short, he had no defence..,_.( - Jear, hear, hear.) To my astonishment, next day, the late Mr. Lloyd and myself were handed briefs. The Judge took up the caw with ll§ from the com mencement, and my client got a verdict, discovered next day that this astonishing result had taken place in consequence of the fees having been paid.—( Question.) This is the question. While the Tories were in power, they sanctioned this Judge, and when I put his incapacity in Oa Asp of a petition, and sent it to Lord Brougham, it was sent by him to the Right Honourable Gentleman, but was not pre sented during that Session. The object was to induce this Gentleman to resign, but the Tory faction was too strong, and be remained in office until another petition was forwarded by me when he resigned. I shall now state a fact relative to Mr. M‘Nally.—(Cries of Oh, and " Question, question.") I promise, if the House will bear with me, that even the Right Hon. Baronet will be obliged to me for the facts that I am now about to disclose.—( Hear, hear. ) That gentleman was, on every occasion, the ceunsel, for prisoners, and especially those charged with treasonable offences against the State ; and when we were defending the Catholic delegates, we took him as one of our counsel. —{The House here manifested strong symptoms of impa tience.] During all that time Mr. M`Nally enjoyed the confidence of the prisoners, and after his death we discovered that he was a secret pensioner of the State.—( Question. ) Was this a sense of English Justice ?—( Hear, and renewed cries of Question.) Yes, question is cried, because it does not relate to English Justice.—(Loud bursts of applause.) We afterwards discovered that everything that we com munnicated to MiNally was conveyed to the Government. Ought not the people of Ireland, therefore, to tremble at a Tory Administration, for there it means nothing but Orange. ism ? The Hon. and Learned Recorder appears to dissent fro this. But the moment the last session was dis. solved, the Ilonourable and Learned Member cannot forget the career he commenced ; and I could fill a book with the acts and sentiments of that Hon. and Learned Gentleman since that period. When the Reform Bill was in progress it was attempted to mix up religion indirectly with its discus sion, and it was asserted that it was the object of the Go vernment to deprive the people of the Bill. The people were told to keep the Bible to their hearts, but to keep their powder dry. Will this be denied? I have the authority of the present Deice of Richmond for it—it will he found in page 3,380 of the fourth volume of the debates in the House o f L or d s or_ the subject of Corporation s , on t h e 26th of July,, 1832. Yet this party the government has bound to - Mr. BARING here rose to ask to whom Mr. O'Connell alluded. Mr. O'CONNE LL said that he did not intend to allude personally to any Hon. Member ; but that he thought he had been paying the Gentlemen opposite a compliinent by praising their acquirements in finance. But if the Right Honourable Gentleman had not before heard of the bribery and corruption practised during the last election, he may now (emphatically observed Mr. O'Connell) learn it from myself. I am perfectly aware that I have intro duced a number of irritating topics, but if they have boon unpleasant to the Honourable Gentlemen opposite, how painful must those circumstances be to the people whom they so nearly concerned. It has been my wish to refrain from anything which could be unpleasant to any Hon. Member ; but I have considered it my duty to defend my countrymen, and to support the principles of those Gentlemen who coincide with me in political opinions. (The Hon. and Learned Gentleman sat down amidst loud cries of Divide, divide," " Question, question," and cheers. ) Mr. F. SHAW rose, but there were loud cries of Ques tion, Adjourn, Divide, &c. He could assure the Hon. and Learned Member, who had just left the House, that though he might suppose-h e had created an impression, he had made none on the Hon. Members near him. It was not his (Mr. Shaw's) intontion to trespass upon the House, as upon the bringing up of the report, he would fully answer the statement of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. There was nothing more re pugnant to his ( Mr. S.'s) feelings than to appear in that House as an Irish partisan. He wished to be looked upon as a Member of the united Parliament, anxious to promote the interests of that great empire. He would show on the occasion which would pre seitself, who k ept a li ve t h e sp i r i t of faction in Ireland _whose ll measures and whose profit it was to have agitation in full force, and he would content himself by stating that there was a considerable portion of the Irish public of all religions and parties who were wearied of political exeitement, and who were anxious for repose—( Cries of " Question" "Divide" &c. Mr. O'DWYER then stood up, and was some time be. fore he could possibly be heard, in consequence of the loud shouts of " Question, question," and " Divide, divide." W e understood him to say that he should not have addressed the House had not the Hon. Gentleman opposite ( Mr. Shaw ), in the absence of his Learned Friend ( Mr. O'Connell) taken occasion to give expression to language quite you upon that cuestion. I begin to think that it would its embraces, ivi,,hh and ~e ver r y situation in Ireland wool' .-.oturry that you should go e p u uff t of na o ig ffic legarvae car nieds h l ad ho b p e . e e n e r l a .e is n ed th i ‘ : the Theatre, anedmo.rangel\ o ba P n t n o h e l : n r e s u rY s h:a ' d been displayed ; but I de-one anything for will not enter into these • to l i_ t e 4, a n s e i v n e g r l --,nowta. 11c of what coalition will look to wretched Ireland, and consider whether ...rest ill they can safely trust the present Administrationn with the honour to read a pasf,arg.,e, fromfrom t a h l e etterof -- read documents in this House, butm Baronet i t is h h a d s o d u o b n t : ' continuance of power there. The Right Ho mine. It is very me to._ Ministerial er Benches. an urebl ) ~ .-niliar to unpleasant t. I " , suments. lam ready to tend i our _infancy, which g ,tork, and re contained the story of King Log an, .s. s pe ,,fs and unsightly minded us that it is better to endure a sha c s T o o h a t e l o i r t e i read o w n a s t to one's h e : b a s t o o p o w k a nr whichtuy '. " he. - was h.. . . I will state this preliminary. I did feel, that for the first time that monster, devouredlik e the yo u N n V g hi g an p d al o l l y d —j i k L e a t u i g m h s t e er w t o Laughter)—than succeeded.il in the late House of Commons, and I believe that was one of the reasons for dissolving that Parliament, there wag A !IiSPO' sition in that House—as they refused to listen to a re peal of the Union—a strong, a growing, an increasing, and a generous disposition to take into consideration all the wrongs of Ireland ; and I laughed in my sleeve when I heard an English or a Scotch Member say that they did not know why the last Parliament was dissolved. I think I know the cause —at least— " Si non propter hoc, post hoc." Did I resume agitation when I went to Ireland 1 Did I call meetings ? No, but I addressed some letters to a Noble Lord (Duncannon) whom I always respected, and whom I still respect, although be may be within hearing.--( Laughter, Lord Duncannon was present.) It is to me a proud boast that I am able to say that I enjoy his kind wishes and friendship. I call on you to alter it by all means. I was met on that occasion by a declaration unequivocal and true from the Hon. Gentleman who asserted it, they had constant communications with those who composed the head of the Orange party. I was informed that their sentiments and measures were liberal. But let me ask who is he now ? Forsooth—Attorney -General —for his liberality of course. I happened to be passing by when the Right Hon. Gentleman was made a Privy Coursellor— ( Hear, hear.) I saw the Right Honourable Gentleman coming out of his house next day. By the greatest accident in the world, I found he was Attorney- Gencral.--( Cheers front the opposition.) I take the opportunity of stating it to the House for it ought to be known, and he is too modest to declare it himself. But we know the active agency in that country in all its places, and in all its areaneemente• lie ie Whet FrOglii • be termed the eye of the Government. The Chinese have some odd terms in their designation of men, they would call him a barbarian eye. If his eye be a barbarian eye, which it is not, there are many barbarian eyes in this House.—( Question, question.) He did not wish to wiPit had htcri said against an illustrious person by souse honourable gentles men, for a braver warri or never steppe d i nto the *field nor one who deserves to be more highly honoured of his coun trymen ; but I should like to know why the present Lord- Lieutenant was sent among usseewhy the Orenge f!ge ry as hoisted on our towers.—( Hear, hear, hear.) Ido not de precate him. No ; I leave it as one of the chip and porrage kind of specimens we have.—( Cries of " Question, question." I cannot blame the liellso far thle i Paling! illahlb Honourable Gentlemen for this impatience, 134 I am desirous of stating to you at this late hour one or two of the movements of the coalition for the arrangement of their Vier recruits, entertaining themselves at our expence. I shall be as brief as I pessihly east t hot owe it to Myself to read one or two p assages fr om those letters, to which refereneu has been made, to show the object of the popular party was not to embarrass the Government, but to obtain satisfactory mea sures of redress, I appeal to Mr. Chalmers if this be not the fact—.l appeal to the Noble Member for Kildare who stated the case in this House, and I appeal to the N o bl e M em b er for Monagh an , n ow M em b er for Cashel, whether what I have stated is not correct ? It was at feeling the ingratitude of that party that I made use of the expressions atttributed to me _expressions which I was not willing to retract then—which I do not retra c t now, b u t w hi c h I still hope they will give me an opportunity to retract.--( Hear, heart, and loud cheers. ) Something had been offered to Ireland in the speech, and what was it? He would state it in the strongest terms— they had offered a final adjustment of the tithe question upon fair and equitable terms. But what would they really give to Ireland ? Did they mean to lessen the agricultural bur dens ? Did they mean to alter her destination ? Did they mean to allow tithes in a country essentially Catholic, and to continue sinecure clergy? Was there any hope held out of a finality of set tlement ? He called on the House, but not on that section of it who had been flaming away in support of the Address to at tend to one fact. The Commission for Corporation Inquiry had been pronounced illegal, and he saw a Learned and Hon. Gent. in the House, a competent authority, who would support the opinion that it was legal.—( Hear, hear.) After some re marks, urging strongly the necessity of Corporation Reform, he observed that several persons had been made freemen, contrary to law, merely because they were Conservatives. Since the year 1792, no Catholic was ever admitted into the Dublin Corporation. The present Government has refused to pledge itself to Corporation Reform, but I hope when the report on the address will be brought up, that the House will enforce the pledge.---( Cries of 4 , Hear, hear.") There can be no excuse for their not pledging themselves on Corpo ration Reform, but that they are desirous of protecting the Orange faction in Ireland. I admit that there are many honest and honourable men, but if you do not know what their general character is, apply to the Hon. Member for Colerain ( Alderman Copeland), and he will tell you what they are in the North-of Ireland. I protest therefore against my country being governed by the Tory party. Since their accession to power they have filled the Benches with Barristers whose sole distinction is bigotry arid violent partisan feelings. If I were placed upon the Irish bench, would not the Orange party justly exclaim against my appointment as a party man ; and though I would desire to act as impartially, the party op posed to me would not be satisfied.--( Hear, hear.) I admit that the Recorder is a most impartial man in the decision of the boxing quarrels and pocket-picking questions that came before him; b u t on ly see w h a t a country it is. Does it not bespeak a foregone conclusion, to find a judge who has such trials coming before him, getting a character for- impar tiality.—( Question.) I promise the House I will not detain them longer, and as a bonus I will only detain them while I address to them this sentence.—My country, then, has no terms for this Administration—no free country in Europe places any reliance upon it. Every tyrant in the world has been pleased at your elevation to power, nor is there an oppressed na tion struggling against despotism that does not bitterly lament it, The announcement of the accession to office by the present Government was received in Ireland with consternation.— ( Cries of " No, no.") Mr. O'CONNELL—But I say, " Yes, yes." Aye, in every country where tyranny flourished, the announcement of the present men to power was received with joy —in Portugal by the Miguelites, and by the Autocrat of the Russias, whose massacre of the children the Polish mothers had to de plore. It was a sin with the present Government to speak it lady-like tone. In all the accessi on t o o ffi ce countries r t ;I s e r o o f th l i e b e a r u ty t o cratwas, cherished,excep t i n of the Right Hon. Baronet and his friends was deplored —and most of all in Ireland. I am attacked for the opposition I have given to the Whig;,_( Hear, hear. ) But I would now do so if they were in power, as I am carry amend the e the r n m e i a p c l h e i n e e f ry t h o e f t w h e e l 1 R a e u r r m e B t l a l t , a t n h d e y w would e English Reform Bill into Ireland--(hear, hear)—and would would make it equipotent.—(Cheers. ) The Right Hon. Ba ronet and his friends dwelt much on their intention of Munici pal Reform, but are they sincere? If they are they will carry it into effect, and disarm the Orange bands in Ireland, whose conduct was such as destroyed the peace, happiness, and even the life of the unfortunate peasantry. What I only ask for Ireland is an equal administration of the law, and that the people would be told that the law was too strong, and to it they should submit.--( Loud cheering. ) And now, as to the Repeal of the Union, I would suspend it— ( Loud cries of " Hear," from both sides of the House)—in order to give the Whigs a full and fair trial, and would return, to Repeal if they should fail in fulfilling their promises. I maintain that liberty is in danger—that universal 4 ,7•ecaoin is endangered by the existence of the present Administration. I would ask the Hon. Member for Worcester, in mower to his observations, whether he ever heard of 061 much money having been spent in bribery anti corruption, as at the last election. In Ireland the Conservatives sent emissaries to places where they had never been heard of before, and so much briber% had not been been hitherto known. If I could put on ono side the profit which the Tories gained, and, on the other, the money they expended, the balance, on whichever side it might be, would be little beneficiel to morality and reli g to. _____.____________._____ inconsistent with his usual hahlts, in dealing with I saw heel. Fietete on the night in question. The I..aincit gen_ the Hon. and Learned Gentleman in his presence, and in language which he would tell the Hon. and Learned Gentleman did not become him to others.—( Hear, and cries of " Oh.") He had assailed his Honourable and Learned Friend as an agitator.—( Cries of " Oh, oh I" from the Ministerial side.) It was true he was an agitator.—( Cheers from the Ministerial side, reiterated by cheers from the Irish Members)—a successful Heenan further conten :ed, that no proof had been given to show that the derendant had acted for gain for hire at the time depo&el to, neither was it state i that money had been taken at the door of the theatre. The Icaraed g,ritleman called upon the magistrate, to dismiss the informations. lies. Clarkson followed on the same &de. r. • to.p is replied, contending that the identity of the defendant was wily proved. agitator for the liberties of his country. —( Cries of " Hear, both of opinion that the evele: hear.") But the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite, who c.,,,tained in the info:merlon, and the had charged his Hon. Friend as an agitator had made use ofSir F. not, after consulting with Mr. MINSIIULL, said that they were vicred in the penalty of 501. tee prosluced fully bore out the alegatiena derendant must therefore be cur:_ agitation both auxiliary to his profit and honour. His agitation Mr. Forester, another performer at the same theatre, was then charred had made him a Member of Parliament—his agitation had made with having, on the ritli ef January last, pert; rrned the part of Alfred him a privy counsellor—his agitation had given him honours Ilighflyer, in the farce of A Rowland for an Oliver, and another piece. which ought only to have been given -to those who had been He was convicted on each information in the penalty of 501. Mr. Bodkin, on behalf of Mr Glossop, the repu cd manager of the useful in the public services. The Hon. and Learned Gen theatre, then requested that the hearing of the informs ion against that Gen tleman continued his remarks amid loud cries of " Question," person might be postponed, and yesterday was fixed for the hear' o n and .‘ Divide," and at length sat down. Mr. Bodkin, addressing the Magistrates, saint that hea t on be. M twenty minutes past ONE o'CLocK, the Gallery was half or Mr. Glossop and several other individuals, against whom infor cleared for a division, who there appeared— . issued, mations had been but without entering into the question as to For the Amendment - - - whether or not Mt . Gl ossop would be held responsible as manager of tke For the Add ress - - ►- - theatre, or to what extent the other defendants were liable, he wee in structed by all parties belonging to the theatre to say that they. were de, termined to abide by the decision of the Magistrates on the previous day, and to close the theatre at once; and as au earnest cf their inten tion to do so, the theatre was shut up last night, and would not be opened again, so long, at least, as the law remained in its present state. He hoped, therefore, that there would. b e no objection to allow the pro, ceedings to stand over for a fortnight. At the same time he would ob_ serve that no complaint s had p - , , er been made against the theatre, either by the police or the persor., living in the neighbourhocd,of the manner in which it had been c ":,nductect. He fully acquitted the proprietors gf the patent theatre", of being parties to the infiirmations, and he hoped and believed that the law which was now enforced against the de ferulapP:s would be altered in the present session of Parlianert; and I'.e trusted that the Noble Lord who now filled the ' office of Lord Chamberlain would not be prtjudiced by these proceed ings when the question came before him as a Peer of Parliament. Mr, Adolphus said, that when his learned friend spoke of the lawns being obsolete, and talked of the public feeling fring against it, he must be allowed to say a few words in reply. A 7, to the law b e i ng rev i sed by the new P ar li ament, he of course keew nothing upon that subject. For his own part, however, he co n f- essed that he had a strong feeling upon the subject, fur white he "w as willing to admit that Mr. Gloss p and the test of his compagy '.iati conducted the Strand Theatre with a true regard to morality, hood order, arid decency, the same result might. not occur if perocon were allowed to open theatres in any court or alley of the metro:;olis in which they night happen to find a place to suit their olijeet. Whether the moral string which restricted thes2 practices was, draWn too lightly to suit the public feeling at present was not aige.ea.. tion for him to determine, but the complaint was one of lor.g stie.aling. Ir.deo.i, from the year 1787 that complaint had frequeatly been urged, and some relaxation of the law was permitted when the car. : of Sadler's Wells Theatre was brought before Lord Thurlow. Eje:t the law still existed, and it must not be said to be obsolete becaut it did not happen to suit the public taste, and because some parties thoeetht proper to evade it. He begged to say that he had no ob!ection tnai the informs. tion should be postponed, on the understanding, however, that the shut ting.up of the Strand Theatre should be a real shuttmg.up, and not A wets nded closing for the mere purpose or gaining time. If the promige to close the theatre was made bona fide, he hag ;ro objection, on thipart of the Lord Chainberlain, to consent to the postponement soure i t by his learned friend. Mr Bodkin repeated that there was no intention ou the part of bfr. Glossop to open the theatre agein. Mr. Adolphus then, with the consent of the Magistrates, agreed to postpone the further he.aring of the informatice as for a fortnight, and the patties then eret':ed. - - - 309 - - 302 ---••-• Majority against Minist ers - - b After the majority had returned to the House, Lord JOHN RU SS ELL rose amidst the loudest cheers, which were continued for some minutes ; after it had ceased, he said he wished to ask the Right Honourable Baronet, Sir R. Peel, whether, after what had taken place, he would again divide the House upon the bringing up of the report ? After a pause, Sir R. PEEL rose and said, that at present, and without further deliberation, he could not give an answer to the question. He would not pledge himself one way or the ! other. He must consult his colleagues upon the subject. Lord JOHN RUSSELL again rose and said the House had heard. the answer of the Right Hon. Baronet. He trusted that the majority would profit by the answer given, and attend in their places to-morrow (this day) to repeat the triumph they had that moment gained.—( Immens e cheering,) Sir ROBERT PEEL immediately rose and said—l beg; the House - to remember that I pledge myself to no course whatever ; but to the minority I WOULb ONLY SAY, PROFIT ALSO BY THE GOOD ADVICE YOU HAVE NOW HAD GIVEN. ATTEND IN YOUR ?LACES TO-MORAOW, AND SEE WHETHER WE CANNOT TURN THE MINORITY OF TO NIGHT INTO A MAJORITY THEN. The question and answer were cheered vehemently. After the House had adjourned, the majority gave one loud exd long-con tinued cheer, and formed thentselyea inic, sniali knots conversing ou what had 110/41 recently done, the Reformers, with honest hearty smiles upon their faces, while the Tories also smiled, but with a most rueful countenance. The Memb ers l e f t t h e H ouse about twenty minutes past i , Two o'Cloek, Mr. GOULBURN grinned a ghastly smile, but the CoriN CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER looked quite blank, and see►ned to be so absorbed in contemplation as to take no notice of what was passing around him; he walked out of the House, with a downcast countenance, and was followed by a crowd of his supporters, who seemed to have caught the hue of their leader. LAMBETH STREET. Yesterday, Mr. Goodwin, her Majesty's Secretary, attended at this of fice to make or offer some arrangements, agreeably to the wish of her Majesty, for the maintenance and education of the extmrdinary child Sarah Rixford, who had been presented to, and brought under the na tice of, the Queen about three years ago, but who had latterly, in con sequence of the extreme poverty of her parents, applied to be takers into the workhouse of the parish of Whitechapel. Shortly after the arrival of Mr. Goodwin, Brooman, the beadle of Whitechapel, brought the girl Rixford and her mother, Mrs. Hookey, into the justice.room. Mr. Goodwin, addressing the latter, said that her Majesty had sig nified her willingness to place her daughter in some public institution, where she would he taken care of and properly educated at her Ma. jesty's expense, and he therefore wished to know if she, the .mother, had any objection to such an arrangement, or to part with the girl as soon as a proper institution was fixed upon Mrs. Hookey, after hesitating for some time, replied by saying that as her Majesty had heretofore been so kind, she hoped she would not send her child to a public charity, but place her in some situation' here -be, the mother, would have an opportunity of seeing her. Mr. Goodwin observed that this was precisely the way in which the benevolence of Her Majesty was met upwards of three.years ago, when he had apolied to Mrs. Hookey to have the child placed in some public school, where she would be taken proper care of. Mrs. Hookey said that at that time he ( Mr: Goodwin) did not inform her that he came from her Majesty, and, therefore it was that she oh. jected to parting with her child. Mr. Goodwin replied, that though he might not have exactly expressed that he came by order of or from her Majesty, yet he had mentioned channels through which she might have satisfied herself of the fact. The sitting Magit,rates, Messrs. HARDWICK and War.xxe,expressted their astonislnnent that the mother could hesitate for a moment to embrace with heartfelt gratitude the kind and generous offer of her ANesty. Mrs. Hooker, notwithstanding, said she could not consent to her daughter being placed in a public institution : she watt not at; orphan ; and she must say that if her (Mrs. Hookey's) wish was to p;ace her child in an asylum, she could find plenty of gentlemen who would get her into one. Mr. Goodwin said he perceived the object of the 'soother was to get her child into some private seminary ; but this could not be done. • Her Majesty's pleasure was that she should be placed in one of the public in stitutions, and if the mother did not consent to this, nothing could be done for her. Mrs. Hookey here observed that if the girl was sent to a public inst.!_ tut ion, her hair would be cut off. Mr. Goodwin replied, that this could make no difference, if it even was the case, as it would prevent her being so much an object of attrae_ tion as she at present was. Mrs. Hookey, at the urgent entreaties of her daughter, who shed tears, and appeared to be much of ,cted at her foolish obstinacy, said that, before she gave her consent, it was fit she should know where her daughter was to be placed. Mr. HARDWICK again expressed his astonishment at the fanner in which the gracious and benevolent offer of her Majesty was treated by the mother of the child. who a few days before would have been satisfied by her being taken into a workhouse, but now, when an asylum was offered to her, such as many respectable tradespeople would feel most proud and happy to have provided for their children, where she would be properly attended to and educated, she, instead of at once accepting the offer with gratitude and kindness, refused it in a manner which led him (Mr. Hardwick) to believe that she had some other ulterior object. Mr. WALKER concurred in the opinion expressed by his brother ma gistrate, and said that there was something beyond mere obstinacy in the conduct of the mother. After hearing these unequivocal expressions from the bench, Mrs. Hookey ultimately consented to comply with her Majesty's gracious wish, on I er being allowed to see her child occasionally at whatever in-- stitution she may be placed in. HATTON-GARDEN. - - Yesterday Stratton, a Mendicity officer, applied to Messrs. LAING and lionEas, to know whether he could bring befoze them two fellows who were adjacent to the office, reciting a seditious dialogue, calculated to bring his Majesty, the Duke of Wellington, Sir Robert Peel, Bart., and other political characters into contempt, and he widhed to be informed whether he would be justified in apprehending them on a charge of vagrancy. Mr. LAING, after hesitating a little, ordered him and Hall, the offieer of this establishment, to bring them to the office. . In a few minutes the prisoners were brought in by the officers. On being placed at the bar, they f, - ive their names Thomas Ellott and William Freeman Hales, hot" - , young men of shabby genteel appearance. Stratton, being sworn stated that yesterday afteinoon, about half past 2 o'clock, he tn. passing along Mutton-hill, or Vine-street, near tins office, whet , he saw the prisoners reciting the contents of some printed PAP'7, (now produced), and they were surrounded by a crowd of men, women , and boys, whose r i s ibl e muscles were greatly excited by r ° "..sth jukes upon his Majesty, the Dukes of Wellington and Cumber.. the Queen, and Sir Robert Peel, Bart. The Magistrates here perused the papers, which were headed " The trial of Arthur Conkey, alicis Nosey, and Privy Garden Bob, for a eon. • spiracy and attempt to burke Bill Reform, tried in the Court of !magi. viation; before the venerable Judge John Bull, and a Jury (if public Opinion." Mr. Laura (to the prisoner Elliottl—What are you P Elliot—l get a few half-pence as well as I can. I have been a soldier In the East India Company's service. I was discharged at Bombay In a regu. lar way. Mr. LklNG—Where do you live? Elliott—No. 12, Charlthuotreei', Drury-lanQ. He did not know the other prisoner, but met him ac cidentally. Mr. LAING (to Hales)—What are you ? Hales--I am no trade; I vend about books and pamphlets. • - Mr. LAlNG—Accordin g • to your own accounts of yourselves you are nothing but a couple of vagrants ; I never heard of two men giving is worse account f themselves. I shall order you both to find bail. The prisoners were then locked up in default of ball, and their papers detained. Francois Gillion, a Frenchman, was charged . by Josiah Dean, an an inspector of hawkers' and pedlars' licences, with having hawked and offered for sale tortoiseshell combs and other fancy articles viithout licence, contrary to the statute, which subjected him to a penalty of 104. Dean stated, that on Wednesday last he saw the defendant in Unit versity-street, St Pancras, enter a shy and present his combs, lookitill. glasses, &c., for sale, and on asking him for his licence he could, ant produce one, and he gave him into the custody of a policeman, 82, E division, who took him to the station.house with h s goods. The defendant was convicted in the penalty of 101„ and he warn locked up until the money was paid before the office was closed. On being liberated he complained loudly of the " Sereritie of Anglaise law. and dat de forenaire vas treated onfairly in dis eontrie." He was so. cured to the contrary, and advised to take out a license linntediately,:er he wou!d be liable to a 101. penalty for every comb or article. that ate might offer fur sale. He might apply for orders, but not otter for sisie, without having a license. UNION-HALL. Yesterday Charles Pickering was brought up from theatatioa.house, charged with striking John Sullivan on the head with a poker, and wounding him. The complainant stated, that on the preceding nightoshile lte was taking some beer in company with the defendant at hichotase, the latter jumped up, ran to to the fire-place, and taking up the poker, atrurk hint a violent blow on the back part of the head. He also took up a ca se knife, and would have have stabbed him with it had it not been wrested from his grasp by a policeman. The magistrates called upon the complainant to describe what he con ceived to be the reason the defendant was so incensed against him as .to strike him with a poker, and also threaten to user deadly weapon against him. The complainant still asserted his ignorance of the cause, and the policeman was thcu called, who stated that when he went Into the rOoitts where the parties were, he found the defendant in a state of great excite ment, with the knife (produced) in his hand. There was a woman pre. sent, about whoM witness had reason to believe the quarrel originated. The defendant said it was true enough it was about a woman the af fair had originated, and as faithless a woman as ever lived. The woman he meant was his wile, unfortunately for him, and some time ago she •' absconded from him, and went to live with the man whose head he cut„ after robbing him (the husband) of almost everythink .When she be.: . • came tired of living with the complainant, She returned to her'hotut IR a state of distress, promised to act differently in future; and her pas, transgressions were forgiven. The complainant, however, still followe4 hcr, and again prevailed on her to desert her home, and when be Ide. fendant) returned, he found nothing in the apartments but the ba-,e wan& This, the defendant said, was too bad, and having been presr:',t the peti vious night when his wife and the complainant were rireuling each other, in the height of passion he (defendant) struck tir. man who had dishonoured him with the poker. The complainant did not attempt to give a denial to the above state. ment, upon which the Magistrate discharged the dr_fendant. and strongly advised him to separate altogether from such a woman. COURT CIRCULAR. The Duke of Cumberland, the Duke of Sussex, the Duchess of Gloucester, and the Princess Sophia Matilda, visited their Majes ties yesterday at St. James's. The Queen, attended by Miss Hope Johnsto ne , inspect e d th e new Palace in St. James's Park yesterday. The Duchess of Kent and the Princess Victoria walked and drove in Hyde Park yesterday. The Landgravine of Hesse Homburg, the Duchess of Gloucester, and the Princess Augusta, took an airing together yesterday, in a carriage. The Princess Sophia Matilda returned to her residence on Black heath, yesterday afternoon. The Duke of Cumberland and the Duke of Sussex visited the Princess Augusta yesterday. Mr. Ravenshaw and a deputation had an interview yesterday with the Earl of Aberdeen, at the Colonial-office. General Alava, the Spanish Minister, had an interview yester day with the Duke of Wellington, at the Foreign-office. The Marquis of Londonderry had an interview yesterday with the Earl of Aberdeen. At the King's levee, on Wednesday, Viscount Cole was pre sented, on his appointment to the command of the Fermanagh Militia, by Sir Philip Grey Egerton. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. GUILD-HALL. , Yesterday, a respectable looking young woman, named Sarah Barnes who recently carried on trade at No. 23, Jermyn-street, as a dealer in ready-made linen, was brought up by Roe, the City officer, on a warrant, charged with uttering a forged acceptance to a bill for 201. Mr. Elkins attended as Solicitor for the prisoner, who has been lately gazetted as a bankrupt ; and Mr. Wooler for the prosecution. Mr. Wooler called Mr. Williams, an Irish factor, in Bow Church. yard, the holdtr of the bill, who received it from Mr. Philips, of Gutter. lane. When it became doe it was not paid, but the prisoner wrote that it should be attended to in a few days. He held another bill, bearing the like acceptance, which had been partly paid. Mr. Lloyd, warehouseman to Mr. Philps, of Gutter.lane, linen. agent, said he received the bill produced (drawn on Henry Maxwell, Esq., of Turnham Green; Middlesex, and accepted by him, but made payable at the prisoner's residence) on the 10th of October, for goods sold and delivered to her. He asked her who Maxwell was, and she said he was a most respectable man, living on his property, and residing at Turnham Green. She accounted for drawing the bill upon him by stating that she had furnished goods to him and his son. Mr. Wooler said he could carry his case no further then, but on a future day he would produce the witness upon whose testimony the warrant was issued. He would prove that he had lived many years near Turnham-green, and was a collector of rates there, but he had no knowledge of such a person as Henry Maxwell. The witness had served the office of overse:r in the parish. Mr. Elkins said his defence was, that the acceptance was the accep tance was the genuine handwriting of Mr. Henry Maxwell, who, how. ever, might not be now living at Turnham-green; but he was not in a situation to produce him, because he would be immediately arrested for debt. Indeed the object of the charge was only to get an opportu nity of arresting him. He would prefer, therefore, that the prisoner should at once be held to bail, to answer this charge at the Sessions, as he could then produce Mr. Maxwell on a subpcena, which would protect him from arrest in going to and coming from the Court. If Mr. Wooler would undertake that he should not be taken in his way to or front Guildhall, Mr. Maxwell should attend before the magistrate. Mr. Wooler said he could not give such an undertaking. He might undertake for his own client, but not for anything else. In answer to a question from Mr. Alderman ANSLEY, the prisoner said Mr. Maxwell was in the habit of accepting bills for her, perhaps to the extent of 3001. To show that Mr. Maxwell was not an imaginary being, Mr. George Arnold, a glove manufacturer in Berners-street, was called, who said he had received acceptances written like the present from •the prisoner. She reletred him to a solicitor in Symond's Inn, who did business for Mr. Maxwell, and who satisfied his inquiries. Had one bill addressed to Turnham-green. Never saw Mr. Maxwell write, and did not know where he lived. Another tradesman, who had taken Maxwell's acceptances on 'bile as surances of the same solicitor, offered to give evidence, but he was not sworn, After some discussion between the solicitors, Mr. Alderman ANSLEY agreed to liberate the lady on giving sureties for her appearance next day. BOW-STREET. INFORMATIONS AGAINST TILE PEtIFORMERS ♦T TAE STRAND THEATRE.. —On Wednesday, pursuant to adjOurnment, the informations preferred at the instance of the Lord Chamberlain against certain performers ti. the Strand Theatre, for playing for hire without bting licensed :' were brought forward before Sir F. Rog and Mr. MiNsnuLt, ,111. Adolphus appearing for the prosecution, and Messrs. Phillips , Clarkson, and Bodkin, for the defence. The office was crowt.l.::, with persons of the theatrical profession, who appeared to take a lively interest in the pro ceedings, anti several Middlesex M. - ;nitrates were on the Bench. William Williams, the Co* , t artrates was the first deft ndant called on to plead, when Mr. Philitos produced a medical certificate, proving that he was unwell ai:. '4 unable to attend. The information against him was c°lls6w- uently ordered to stand over. William Mitchell, another performer, was then called, and the Clerk read the information, which charged him with having, on the sth of January last, without having obtained a licence from the Lord Cham berlain, performed the part of Fixture at a place called the New Strand Thextre, in a farce or opera entitled A Rowland for an Oliver, contrary to law. The defendant pleaded Not Guilty. Mr. Adolphus then proceeied to state, that the informations in this case were prosecuted in the name and by desire of his Majesty's Lord Chamberlain, against the parties whose names were set forth in the in formations, for acting at an unlicensed theatre, contrary to the 10th of Geo. 11., whereby they had severally incurred a penalty of 504 for each offence, and it was for the recovery of such penalties that he now appeared. The parties charged had thought fit to open the theatre, notwith standing a refusal of the Middlesex Magistrates to grant a license for it, and the Lord Chamberlain, feeling that the offence was committed withio the jurisdiction of his office, conceived that he was bound to prosecute the case, in order that the Magistrates might decide whether or riot the defendants were justified in assuming the power of dispens ing with the laws. The parties now on their defence had resorted to an evasion ;it was this—if a person purchased a ticket of admission to the Victoria Theatre, it would entitle such a person to a seat in the Strand Theatre. But, even if the public were admitted free to the theatre, the defendants would still be liable to be fined, under another clause in the statute for selling wines and spiritous liquors on the pre. raises without being licensed. The learned counsel then called Mr. Bannister, the collector of the King's taxes in the parish of St. Clement Danes, who proved that the Strand Theatre was in that parish. Rodimer, clerk to Mr. Hitchcock, the solicitor for the pro secution, proved that on the night of the sth of January he went to the Strand Theatre and purchased a ticket for the Victoria Theatre for two shillings. He observed to a person whom he saw at the door, " This purports to be a ticket for the Victoria Theatre too," to which the person whom he addressed replied— " You can make your selection." He then left the ticket with the person who stood at the door, and passed into the house. The wit. ness here produced a bill of the entertainments on the night in question, which he brought in the house. The defendant, Mr. Mitchell, played the part of Fixture Rowland for an Oliver, and Mrs. Waylett per tormed the character of Maria Darlington. Mrs. Nisbett also performed on the same evening. The witness added, that between the performances he went to a small saloon in the theatre, where refreshments were sold, and called fora glass of sherry, which he paid 6d. for. Henry Nesb:tt, clerk to Mr. Pritchard, a solicitor in Lincoln's-inn. fields, proved that he went to the Strand Theatre on the same night, and paid 4s. for a ticket for the Victoria, on producing which he was ad. mated. He corroborated the evidence of the last witness. The witness Rodimer was then recalled to prove that he searched the records of the Patent-office for the last 100 years, and found no patent for the Strand Theatre. Mr. Charles Stewart Addisog, from the Lord Chamberlain's office, also proved that no licence to allow dramatic performances at the Strand Theatre had been granted by the Lord Chamberlain. Mr. Adolphus.—That is my case. Mr. Phillips then proceeded to comment upon the evidence in support of the information, and contended that the identity of the defendant with the person who played the part of Fixture on the night referred to, had been so vaguely proved by the first witness, that his learned friend was obliged to call a second witness to help him out, but instead of strengthening the evidence of identity, the second witness declared he could not undertake to say that the defendant was the same person he