The Sun. — London, England, 1835-09-08 00:00:00

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P'' , . 5 , utena l ,rbes 1 el So c JP her g t ie , c r Ejo t e 47,, 55 1 ,,i0 ir, ri.Pe; oived ;ret 5 64 40,, , ,t 1 0 e° a 5 rfi Cie e 0 then,?.lol P •IseervegtiVes lib t9) : ° at ie 13 5f ; 1 C _ll l . 4 the le ` s to°,'" A t‘ * street'were PARLIAMENTARY SUMMARY. 1n the Loses', the se con d Report of the ,Commissioners of Palilie Instruction for Ireland was presented and ordered to be printed. A return was ordered "of the number of Bills brought up from the Commons amended by their Lordships and finally passed as amended." The Stamps and Assessed Taxes Bill, a n d t h e Fines and Recoveries Bill were passed. The Tithes Instalments (Ireland) Suspension Bill went through Committee. A message was then sent to-the Com mons, requiring a C onference to represent why their Lord ships insisted on several of their amendments to the Municipal Bill. That Conference was held, and their Lordships reasons were forwarded to the Commons. In the COMMONS', several petitions on various subjects were presented, some of which complained of the extra duty on spirit licenses. One from a place in Surrey, complaining of an order i ssued by the Commissioners of Poor Laws, led to some discussion. The Conference between the two Houses then came on. L ord .J. R USSELL, in a speech which it must be allowed furnishes a masterly exposition of the whole subject, after reviewing. in detail th e amen d ments ma d e b y t h e L or d s , proposed that the House should agree to them, " looking for -71, as h e did , to the future prospects of another Session. " In ith respect to the nomination of justices, his Lordship, the course of his address, said the clause as now framed by the other House, placed the Crown in 1 ; position not altogether decorous. The subjoined ideclaration was received with vehement cheering • have no h es it at i on i n say i ng, that as long as my colleagues and self continue to be the advisers of the Crown, send e shall deem it our duty to request of the town council to up a list of the names of those persons in whom they IPlace confidence." A s to t h e L or d s ' secon d amen d ment, re (,,aaing the or i g i na l number by one-half, and refusing to adopt re l ast number sen t up to t h em, 9,000, " he was not d i spose d' higgle for a 1,000 more or less." In another part of his Pecch h e i nt i mated the impossibility of Parliament going on long, without taking some parts of the measure again into !i con deration. I n recommen di ng the House to rece i ve the B i ll, be referred to the Parliamentary history of the Test and Cor reation A cts, contrasting the course pursued in reference to Roman Catholic question as confirmatory of the views e now wished to be adopted. His Lordship also declared, that what a purely popular, or even an absolute Government, might easily establish as the law of the land, could not be effected in our constitution of King, Lords, and Commons. Hence it appears that the " Constitution" claims the concession of the Com mons, and it i s yi e ld e d accor di ng l y. Mr. HuMx, at the conclusion of his speech, said that the best course to be adopted was for the House to received the Bill. He had c attle to this determination, under a protest and solemn as surance of the necessity there would be of introducing mea sures on the very first occasion, to carry through the true Principles and objects of this Bill ; under a protest, he would Consent to take the Bill as it was. Mr. BLACEBURNE'S speech contains a complete vindication of the Municipal Commis sioners. 'Mr. T. DUNCOMBE could not agree to the course re calumended. In the concessions which had been made with t vie w of showi ng a conc ili a t or y s pi r it h e h a d concurre d ; ut b e s Would maint a i n th ere w as a point beyond which con cession ought not to go . They had arrived at that point, and or if hisin Majesty's Ministers, went a step further the House the track, of concession, they would dishonour themselves, IV doFaE tat which would be dl tosreat . h suPIELD thought theetriment Bill a was t imeoved measure by the Lords. Si r S. WHALLEY said, mangled as the Bill was, he ?e co mmended the House to accept it. Mr. Serjeant WILDE w 411 ,d neral oth er H on . M em b ers a l so concurre d i n th e op i n i ons "'eh had been pex ressed as to the expediency of adopting the Bill in its present shape. The question was then put, and carried without a division. All the Lords' amendmhts were t o _ e edto. M r . H UME brought up the Report of the Select liftTezrinitteee appointed to inquire into the state of Orange g e a th in England ; and moved that the Report be ntd. Lords' amendments in the Letters Patent Beß.ll, in ' t ae and Assessed axes ill, an in the Fines a cc ever r ies s T Bill, had been agreed ß to, the d House adjourned.nd COURT CIF CUL AR. tiffs k . afte r ajesty will hold a Council to-morrow, at St. James's, Le L A elec. noon 4 , b inet Council was held at 12 o'clock yesterday after- Cab n i n ' ea; the Foreign-office. It was attended by most of the -hoisters, and sat an hour and a half. The Council g ended, Lord John Russell, Mr. Spring Rice, and Sir „ o m, r 1 04 8„ p .'“ouse, went to the meeting of Members of the nu tt ," °' Commons, in the Office. The meeting was very Eb,.;: r°ll sly attended ; amongst those present were—Lord ';'gtnn, Right Hon. Tennyson d'F f yncourt, Hon. C. Ca t ; I r i sh, Sir Edward Codrington, Messieurs Hume, O'Con nell, Shcil, Baines, Young, and Dr. Bowring. The 41 4 ece ting broke up at three o'clock. seb eunt Pozzo di Borgo, the Russian Ambassador, and Count asti at i st ot the French Ambassador, visited Viscount Palmer , yesterday, at the Foreign Office. ti t ier most Faithful Majesty the Queen of Portugal has been therj.e,,ad, by a decree of the 17th of August last, to raise H. ik_ ma Silva, Esq., to the dignity of a Baron of Portugal, by Styk and title of Baron Lagos, as a remuneration for his neat and important services in the recovery of her Majesty's i„ r° ,wrl, and especially for the prominent part which he took tne preparation of the expedition under the command of Admiral Napi Mr. Arcl 'h e ld Attar ney-General of the Province of Nova se n a , o ua, has left town on his return to that colony. r ASHIONABLE INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVALS. 7The Duke of Norfolk, at his house in St. James-square, from his 14 Arundel Castle, Sussex; George Byng, Esq., M.P., in St. p a „Te, s's-square, from his seat, Wrotham-Park, near Barnet; the Tv"`" of Dartmouth, in St. James's-square, from his seat, Sandwell, paifordshire ; Lord and Lady Corry, at Symmon's hotel, St. 4 .nies 's - street, from Suffolk ; Lord Dundas, at his seat, Marske •41, Yorkshire; Sir H. Fitzberbert, Bart., at Dover, from his t sTat n stone; Mr. and Mrs. Hawkins, in Brook-street, from ._ae Continent; Mr. and Mrs. Henderson, at Gordon's hotel, Albe marle-street, from Scotland ; Mrs. Hartley and the Misses Smith, litditto, from Preston Hall,. Basingstoke; the Misses Hydes, at t ditto' f rom Hyde End, Oxon ; the Hon. and Rev. H. Watson, at from a tour ; Sir John and Lady Pollen, at the Hyde-park Rotel, from Lord Verulam's, Gorhambury, Herts. DEPARTURES. The Archbishon of Armagh and family, for the Palace, Armagl!, rel t a : nd ; the Earl of Falmouth, from St. James's-square, for his shi r u : a ; Lord Forester, for his seat, Willey Park, Shrop- Sir Henry Labouchere, Esq., for his seat, near Bridgewater ; F rancis Burdett, Bart., M.P., and family, for Tunbridge the Dowager Marchoness of Salisbury, for Hatfield the kind Marchioness of Salisbury and family, for their u seat, ; d'Este, for Bagshot ; Lord Brabazon, from the Nv—op,"p hotel, for Yorkshire; Hon. Charles Stuart and Lady Belo . from ditto, on a visit to the Duke of Rutland, at his seat, lkt r. : t r , Castle; L a dy Dy nevor , for Leamington, Warwickshire; St d Lady Theodosia Hale and family, from Symmon s hotel, 1 / . 0 , 4 am es's-street, for their seat in Wilts ; Hon. Randall Plunket Zjdlthe St. James's hotel, Jermyn-street, for Ireland; L. W. 1 ??11,,,. 311, Esq., M.P., for Wales; Mrs. Blundell and Mrs. Camp ..hotel, St. James's-street, for Bath; Thomas Yard, 'Ion; ' O4l ditto, for Brighton • Lord and Lady Sherborne, and the Ir on , piss Dutton,' for Holkha'in, Norfolk ; Mrs. and Miss Drake, 140 , for Buckspeare, Uxbridge. DUBLIN. (FRoM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.) stew ard Man -of modern date can turn the parable of the unjust ard to better account than Sir Robert Peel. His cotices -inns on d en the Corporation Reform Bill are notable proofs of the I nn e ntY with which he makes to himself friends of the Mam ft-ty)f Unrighteousness, to serve him in his hour of need. b e as whispered that his trimming (ore tenus though it ), has exposed him to the censure of the out-and-outers. ::ereltyters are in Ireland to that effect from some of the gossips . Ithout the Court. The writers are described as inveighing bit a.gainst the want of nerve, or of principle, which has cha racterized the conduct of the Ex-Premier. These effusions do. not proceed only from such political madcaps as Lord winchilsea ; but some of them are shown about as the auto graphs of a stupid old Baron lately holding a distinguished PIK in the c ommonwealth of letters, whose opinions may be thought entitled to consideration by reason of his near connec tion with the fiery Duke. A statement made by the Duke of Cumberland, at the late ei fl ee ting cti ng for clearin g hi s c h arac t er , (h ow strange t h a t h e wo uld condescend to clear it before a Committee of the House Commons), has created some little astonishment here. His R° Y a l Highness, upon the alleged authority of Mr. Boyton, as serted, that there has not been an Orange Lodge in the Uni versitY for th e l as t s i x - an d- twenty years !! 1 Hi s R o y a l Highne ss has made many courageous assertions during this Session of Parliament ; but this is the apex of the Pyramid. It flames above them all—whether it belongs to Boyton, or a m ore illu s t r i ous inventor, it deserves the largest g o ld medal of the Humane Society. As a chivalrous att em pt t o b r i ng up a sca ho d r y cey a l lready pl unge d over head and ears i n th e mu d, it has its parallel. _ Apropos d es B ottes— M r. Randal Plunkett, the changeling for Drogheda, made a boastful reference at that meeting to his Pure and high descent. It is the second time this high and mi ghty patrician has been at the pains of making, a public ab juration of all relation or affinity to the Lord Chancellor of reland. If h e k new b ut all— i t is quite a superfluous labour— fo r scarcelyany man could s us p ec t th e lik e o f hi m to b e so Jointed. The Doonsawney, or, as they now spell themselves, the Dunsany, branch of the Plonhets are as old as the Danes. 'They came in with those robbers ; " whereof," saith the quaint old Qhronicler Campian_" they have as yet special monuments." They are, moreover, a pure Popish stock, the present Lord (Mr. Randal's father), being the first of the breed that ever ,aid the Paternoster in English. His predecessor kept a Con fessors, and bado the beads, flat on his marrowbones before ti,e graven images of the Saints, while the father of Lord Pitinkett was protesting against all th a t t r u m p er y f r om the Pulp:t of the Presbyterian Meeting House on Usher's-quay. The iloonsawneys are marvellously converted in the latter d aYs--lant " naturam expelles, 6 , c." Tis a doubt whether they have jet expelled all the Jacobite blood out of their veins. Air. Randal P's. horror indeed, at the possibility of being sup- Posed in any way akin to such a radical nest asthat of Old Con naught, would seem to indicate that his own house has been swept clean, and is all sound, root, branch and collaterals. If I am not grievously in error however, the Right Hon. and Learned Doctor, who represents the College without a Lodge, " could, an if he would." Ohe Jam ! _ I hav e not the pleasure of b e i ng muc h acqua i n t e d w ith L or d P lunkett's. family ; but I know enough of them to be able to vo uch that there are none of them Carbonari, nor have any of them been driven from the seats of learning for playing at the gamo of " poison in jest." The Siamese youths, who were here some years since, are at Montreal, having attained the age of 18. THE REVIEW AT KALISCH. The Emperor, who arrived here Aug. 19th,reviewed on the 20th the Kurds, Cossacks, Don' Cossacks, Georgians, and Circassians. These troops, about 1,600 cavalry, performed many evolutions and sham fights, which presented the most picturesque military spectacle that Europe has socn since the middle ages. Conceive the gay coloured costume of 800 Kurd horsemen, mingled with the richly dressed Cossacks and Geor gians, and among them the shining silver helmets and coats of mail of fifty Circassian princes, with a constant firing of mus kets and pistols, often drowned in cries of Allah and hurrah, and you will have a faint idea of the scene. The image of war was complete in the moment when the Kurds, in two parties of 400 each, attacked each other, and so seriously contended for the standard taken at Erzeroum, that twenty generals and aid-de-camps in vain endeavoured to separate them, and at length their Monarch himself, their Padishah, was obliged to ride amongst them, and to pacify and sepa rate the combatants, who already had several wounded. These inhabitants of the frontiers of the empire now saw their Sovereign for the first time, who called out and commanded several chans and princes. The most indifferent spectator can never forget the enthusiasm that sparkled in their eyes when the Emperor, accompanied only by two aides-de-camp, put him self at their head, and led several attacks. Yesterday there was a grand parade of the whole corps of General Rudyer, and of the cavalry of the guard. The Emperor, in whose brilliant and numerous suite were the Duke of Nassau and Prince Fre derick of the Netherlands, having rode along the five lines amidst the continued acclamations of the troops, he gave or ders to present arms; and then turning to the Prince, their victorious Commander, embraced him in front of the army, which loudly cheered him. The troops then defiled before the Emperor in the most beautiful order. His Majesty re mained on the ground from eight till one o'clock. Amongst the distinguished persons present were General Baron Kreuz, Count Wilt, and the Emperor's physician, Baron Wylie. Prince Frederick has left us this evening. His Majesty will stop above eight days.—Hamburgh Papers. HAREWOOD HALL.—Magnificent doings are ex pected in the course of a few days. Cooks, confectioners, and upholsterers left town yesterday for Leeds. On the 12th inst. their Roy al Highnesses the Duchess of Kent and the Princess Victoria are expected to honour the Noble family of Lascelles with a visit. A most sumptuous banquet, with one hundred and fifty covers, will be given in the baronial hall. The Royal party will attend the Musical Festival at York on the Bth. The Earl and Countess expect their illustrious visitants to remain three days. From thence they go to the seat of Earl Fitz willian t. Two v; tcancies exist amongst the Fellows of Tri nity College, Dublin; one occasioned by the death of Mr. Mead—the other by the resignation of one of the junior mem bers, who hi appointed to the living► held by the late Dr. Usher. LONGE'VITY.—A woman, 110 years old, died lately at Friyence, in the department of the Var ( France). She was born at Digne in 1725, and had lived in service at one house since 1745. THE Hops.—Accounts from the hop districts in the neighbourhood of Castle and Sible Hedingham, Baintree, &c., represent the crops to be more bountiful, and the hops in a finer condition than has been known for many years. On many of the estates the picking commenced on Thursday, and it became general yesterday. _ _ _ The Liverpool Mercury announces the death of the late Mr. Peter Woods, the well-known Reformer of that town. The slam of 640/. has been lately given for the bulb of a new tulip, called the " Citadel of Antwerp." This sum was paid by M. Vanderninck, of Amsterdam, a florist, formerly a Captain in the Dutch navy. LIGHTNANG.—The Medical Gazette of St. Pe tersburgh states that the life of a soldier struck by lightning, has been saved by copious bleeding. AN AFFAIR OF HoNouß.—Yesterday morning at seven o'clo ck, a hostile meeting took place in a field at the back of the E Arms, St. John's-wood, Regent's-park, be tween a gentl eman residing in Park-street, Grosvenor-square, and Captain 'N., residing at Kensington. The cause of the meeting arose: from some money transactions on the Stock Exchange on Saturday last. When the parties arrived on the ground, a reconciliation was attempted by the seconds, but it was indignantly refused by the Captain. The ground was then measured. twelve paces, and the hostile parties fired, but missed each other. An amicable arrangement was again pro posed, but way; rejected by Captain W. On the second fire, the contents of the gentleman's pistol took effect on the thick part of the Captain's thigh. Captain W. immediately fell, when the gent [email advanced to him, and requested to shake hands with his antagonist, which he immediately agreed to. The wound having been bandaged up, the Captain was re moved from the field to a carriage waiting in the North-road, and he was conveyed in it to his residence. HERRING FISIIING.—This week will complete the fishing at \Vick. The boats will now average better than 100 crans each, or about 100,000 barrels in all, whereas last year the total of the fishing did not exceed 30,000. The num ber of boats engaged at Wick is 122, and the quantity of her rings already caught is upwards of 20,000 barrels. Our ac counts from Shetland are still unfavourable, but the Orkney fishing has been tolerably successful.—lnverness Courier.. On Thursday night about nine o'clock as Mr. Abra ham Harty, the brother of Mr. Harty the Baker, of Patrick strec.,t, sat behind the desk arranging the accounts of the esta bli:Annent, his: attention was attracted by a person entering the shop, and upon raising his head he received in his face the con tents of a tin porringer of Vitriol—the assassin upon having thrown it and the tin vessel immediately ran out of the shop, pursued by the sufferer, but although several persons were standing about the shop door, and the cry of " Vitriol" was sounded, none attempted to impede the wretch's retreat—and we regret to say, for the present, justice has been eluded.— Corh Herald. SINGULAR ACCIDENT.—A violent storm was felt on the 20th ult. at Eyrarques, where the following tragical event took place :—A labouring man, alarmed by the light ning, took refuge under a willow with his infant, six months old, in his arms. His wife was washing linen in a rivulet which ran at the foot of the tree. The wife and some persons near her who were blinded for the moment and stunned by an explosion of thunder, on recovering perceived nothing under the tree, but following the course of the rivulet they disco vered, at a depth of about three feet of water, the unfortunate father dead, and Still holding the infant in his arms. The poor child had sustained no injury, it held its head elevated as it were by instinet, seeming to make efforts to save itself from death. It appears that the electric fluid struck the father, and drove him to a distance of 20 feet into the river.—National. HYDROPHOBIA.—The terrific disease which passes under this designation, is an absolute misnomer when applied to the dog, and is much better and more vigorously expressed by our Gallic neighbors by Le Rage. In all stages of the disease question, the dog evinces not the least emotion at the sight of fluids ; on the contrary, he will drink frequently, if water or milk be placed within his reach. A bite, how ever, from a rabid dog,-communicates to the human subject that horror of fluids, which is uniformly testified, and from which characteristic symptoms the disorder has taken its name. Not one dog in fifty accused of madness is so in re ality ; nor can any doubt be entertained that fatal cases have occurred where hydrophobia has arisen from a terrified ima gination. BITE OF ADDERS, &c.—A correspondent says, " Observing in your paper this morning a caution against the bite of adders at this season of the vear, reminds me of an advertisement I read in a Van Diemen's Land newspaper some months since, that common salt applied immediately after the bite of " any noxious reptile," which frequently occurs in clear ing woods, &c., has ever been found efficacious in preserving from future effects, if applied before the stanching of the blood. I apprehend in the bite of a mad dog, when cauterising could not immediately be resorted to, it would be attended with bene ficial effects, as it need not preclude cauterising subsequently." SUICIDE.—On Saturday, the 29th ult., at Man chester, a respectable tradesman of that town, named Edward Jackson, committed suicide under circumstances of a most distressing nature. The unfortunate man was but 29 years of age, and to all appearance seemed happy, both in his family and in the flourishing state of his business as a saddler ; but he laboured under a fear which poisoned his whole existence, and rendered him completely miserable. This was a constant dread of insanity, and of being confined in a lunatic asylum. This feeling at last became so strong, that it actually produced the madness which he so much dreaded, in a fit of which he seized a razor and inflicted two deep gashes in his throat The unhappy man expired in an hour afterwards, leaving a widow and three children to lament his loss. An inquest was after wards held upon the body, when the Jury returned a verdict of Insanity. MYSTERIOUS CIRCUAISTANCE:—AStIIC daughter of Mr. Warmsley, at the bottom of Hanover -street, was seated before the counter of her father's shop, she was alarmed by a bullet, evidently directed from an air-gun, bursting through the outer and inner window of the shop, passing in the direction of where she was placed, and stickini , in the frame-work at her back : this was instantly succeeded by another, directed a little lower, and another, lower still ; all which, fortunately passed the young lady without injuring her. The last shot was di rected still lower, and it is supposed that, if its course had not been stopped by an iron support with which it, came in con tact, it would have taken effect in the body of the young lady. The three balls first projected are in the possession ref Mr. Parlou,r ; the one last alluded to is suffered to remain in the window, where it may now be seen.—Liverpool. Albion. MURDER —An unfortunate occurrence took place last night in one of the Gin Palaces near the Marsh Gate, Westminster-road. A young woman of the name of Hilary entered the house, accompanied by a man named Skidmore, and a scuffle took place between them, which ended in the fall Of the woman against some spikes, one of which penetrated her head, and she expired in a few minutes afterwards. Skid more is in custody. - - ARREST AND ESCAPE OF A MURDERER. — On Sunday last, the 23d, a man named Martin Garrett was recognized in the streets of Stradbally, by two men, relatives of Martin M‘Gree, murdered near Coolnacart, in May, 1834. When they arrested Garrett, a number of fellows, armed with reaping -hooks, who were then in the streets, after having heard divine service in the chapel, resolved not to see a man brought to jiistice for the offence of murder, surrounded the two men, and succeeded in getting Garrett free, when he in stantly disappeared. Information having reached the police, one of the ringleaders in the re3cue was recognized, and brought before the magistrate, and by him committed on the informations of the party. —Cal low Sentinel. THE SUN, LONDON, TrPSDAY, SEPTEMBPR 8, 1835 , lin, complaining of the Board of Ordnance withholding from him a large sum of money due to him.—( This being for a grant of public money, the Speaker said it must receive the assent of the Government before it was received.) Mr. O'CONNELL said the petitioner conceived he had a claim; he knew nothing more of it than that it had undergone . a very close investigation by Colonel Fox. The petition was withdrawn. THE CONFERENCE. A Message from the Lords brought down several Bills, and also demanded a Conference upon the part of the Lords with respect to the amendments to the Corporation Bill. The message was brought down by Mr. Roupell, Master in Chan cery, and Mr. Rich, the Clerk Assistant ; they reported that the Lords, considering the late period of the session, in the unavoidable absence of one of their usual messengers, they had sent their message by their clerk assistant. Lord J. RUSSELL moved that the House agree to hold the Conference forthwith. The Messengers were called in and informed accordingly. The SPEAKER informed them that the House was satisfied with the reasons for the substitution of the clerk assistant for the usual messenger, but they desired that it might not be considered a precedent.—(Cheers and laughter.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL then left the House for the Con ference, accompanied by the managers as before, and about 00 Members. After an absence of ten minutes, Lord J. RUSSELL appeared at the bar and said—l have to acquaint the Honse that I have been to a Conference with the House of Lords, which was managed on the part of their Lordships by the Earl of Devon, and that the Lords have not insisted upon certain amendments, but that they do insist upon other amendments made by their Lord ships, and that they have amended certain amendments by the Commons, and delivered their reasons for so doing. The reports, Bill, amendments, and reasons having been brought up, Lord J. RUSSELL moved that the amendments made by the Lords, and their reasons, be taken into consideration. The CLERK having read the amendments, and reasons, Lord J. RUSSELL announced to the House, in order to save time, that they bad been printed, and might be procured by any Hon. Member who desired to have them. Several Hon. Members immediately went out to procure the papers, which otcasioned a short pause in the proceedings, after which Lord JOHN RUSSELL then rose amid much cheering, and addressed the House as follows :—Sir, I wish that I could preface what I am about to move by saying, that with scarcely one exception the House of Lords have agreed to the amendments proposed to this Bill by the House, because I think, Sir, that the amendments made by the Lords have been met in a spirit of conciliation—(Cheers)—which I must say justly entitle them to expect that all the prin cipal amendments made by the House of Commons to the amendments made by the House of Lords should have been agreed to by that House. I know, Sir, that there were several points upon which many Members of this House' were extremely reluctant in making concessions —( Cheers)— and I think, in foregoing, as they did, for the sake of concilia tion, and for the sake of terminating this qUestion, so many of those principles which they have thought necessary to intro duce in the original Bill, it would have tended far more to the good correspondence of the two Houses of Parliament, if instead of agreeing to certain portions of those amendments, they had as-reed to the whole of our amendments, and accepted them at once as concessions made to them for the welfare of the country—large concessions which it pleased the House on my former motion to allow.--( Cheers.) At the same time, Sir, I have to state that those alterations in the Bill to which I declared I had an insuperable objection have been aban doned by the House of Lords.—(Cheers.) I considered it as an insuperable objection to the Bill that there should be a mixed body, the one deriving their right from rated householders, and another part of the governing body deriving their right only from self-election, founded on the ancient rights of corporations. I stated that I thought it was impossible that any new machinery could work well in which such elements of discord should work together ; and the Right Hon. Member forTamworth added that while the Members of the old body were not in harmony with the new, they would be totally unable to carry into effect their own views.—( Cheers.) Sir, I am happy to say that with respect to that amendment, the House of Lords have not insisted upon it.—( Cheers.) They are un willing that the future body shall consist altogether of persons immediately elected by the rate-payers, or those who derive immediately from the legislative body, and hold their office for double the term of years, as in the original Bill. Now, Sir, it ought to be recollected, that when the Bill was first brought forward, a Noble Lord (the Member for Lan cashire) maintained that the whole body of the Council should be elected for 6 years. By the Bill as it now stands, three-fourths of the body are to be elected directly by the rate- payers, while only one-fourth are to be selected by the Council. Another amendment was made by the Lords which I considered as most injurious to the Bill—it was, that the present town clerks, even those who now held their offices during plea sure, should hold their offices during good behaviour, and should have in their hands all the muniments of the borough. I considered that this provision, with respect to the town clerks, was intended to give them a power to controul those masters whom they served, and in fact giving them a power to make themselves absolutely necessary for the management of the borough.—( Hear.) I am glad to say, Sir, that that amendment has been , abandoned by the House of Lords. There was then another amendment made, which provided that Justices in these Bo roughs should be for life, according to what was called Cor porate rights. I think that that provision for the reasons given' by the House of Commons would have produced the greatest evil, as there would have been persons in the Council who derived under what I may now call a bad system, at the same time with persons who were elected under the improved system for the management of these boroughs. It does not rest merely upon our reasons, for in one of those given in by the Lords they tell us " that they had made an amendment in order to revert to the old practice, and to avoid those evils which would have resulted from a contrary practice." The Lords have also given up that invidious distinction which I think would have been productive of the greatest jealousy . and discord in the boroughs—l mean that provision which requires a person possessed of 500/. or 1,000/. a-year, required for certain purposes by the Act, to come before the Barrister, in order to make good his qualification. They have given pp both the parts of their amendment, and have adopted the modified proposition which we inserted in the Bill as an amendment to their amend ment. But while they have agreed to those amendments pro posed by us, I have not insisted upon others, which, in my opi nion,would be most injurious to the good working of the measure. They had disagreed to certain portions of our amendments, and there are two of them of great importance, and the other, if not of importance, is not in my mind a little extraordinary. The first amendment, to which their Lordships have made an additional one, is that respecting the revising Barristers. I had proposed that the decision of the revising Barristers should not be good until it had been approved of by the Crown. I was about to add, that if the Crown did not approve of their decision, it should be competent to send it back. That, I thought, should be in serted in a proviso in the clause, namely, that if the decision was not approved of, it should be sent back ; and if it should hot be sent back, then that it should be in the power of the King in Council to make a different arrangement. But the House of Lords have pro vided, and I think that coming from a House so particularly jealous of the prerogatives of the Crown, it seems to me one of a singular nature - --for they have provided that in the first place, the revising Barrister shall make his report, and if it be not approved of, it shall be deemed good for the time, and not until his Majesty shall come to another de cision, but until his Majesty in Council shall definitively approve of the division of the, boroughs into wards, in the manner hereinbefore mentioned.—( Hear, hear, and, much laughter.) According to their Lordships' amendment the re vising Barrister shall make his report to the King in Council, his Majesty is to reject that report,.and that report is to stand good until his Majesty in Council finally approves of it— ( Hear and laughter)—so that the revising barrister may go on making his reports until they are approved of by the Crown. The Crown, therefore, was to be subordinate and the revising-barrister absolute.—( Loud cries of Hear.) Why, Sir, I should have thought that the other House of Parlia ment, so anxious for the protection of the prerogatives of the Crown, would have been averse to, would have been very cautious in proposing an amendment of this kind, which puts the Crown in this situation, that the Crown may refuse to approve, but the revising barrister may continue in his old opinion, and it remains known to the whole country that his Majesty, by the advice of his Privy Council, has solemnly refused to approve of the decision, but that is of th avail, because it rests in the hands of a young and inexpe rienced gentleman who may be appointed a revising barrister. Sir, when I say a young and inexperienced gentleman I use only epithets that were used by the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth, who agreed that inexperienced gentlemen should not make a final award without the approba tion of the Privy Council.—( Hear, hear.) For my own part, I would much rather have had the clause as it originally stood than as it now exists, placing the Crown in a situation which I think is not altogether decorous.—( Cheers.) Sir, the next amendment of importance, and it is no doubt of very great importance is the amendment with regard to the appointment of justices. We have always contended, and in the last de bate on it we decided by a large majority, that it was fit the town council should have the power of electing individuals fit to receive the commission of peace. The Crown might dis approve of such persons, but they were to be elected out of a list formed by the town-council. I am of opinion that was a way in which the Crown might have been legitimately and openly informed of the names of persona who were fit to receive the • commission of peace, and that receiving them through that channel, they would have acted in their separate boroughs with far greater confidence on tne part of the public, than if they were to remain without any recommendation of a body popularly elected, as the Town Council would be. But upon this question the Lords take a widely different view. There were ,originally persons named in the Charter by James the First, who by their corporate capacity were entitled to be Justices of the Peace, but since that time the Corporations have gone on naming their justices without any reference to the Crown, and it is the greatest extravagance—( Hear, and laughte r )._ to state, that because the original Justices in the time of James the First were named by the Crown, that, therefore, the Justices of the present day have derived constitutionally their title from that charter. I adhere to the original resolution. Sir, the next amendment is that with regard to the division of the wards, and the Lords, without going back to the old Bill originally as it stood, have made this amendment in it, that the division into wards is carried down to 6,000 inhabitants only, the qualification is not carried higher than was proposed in the Louse of Commo - ns, but Sir, in considering the manner in which these amendments have been made, the first thing we shall have to consider is,...whetherave can possibly mend these amendments in such a manner as to maintain our own opinions, and at the same time conic to a settlement of this question with the House of Lords. After carefully looking at this Bill and the subsequent amend ments 'with my colleagues, we are of opinion, we can make no farther amendments ; that with regard to the clause respecting justices, either that we should frame it in such a way that the Crown should have the power of naming other justices than those proposed by the council ; or, upon the other hand, that the Crown should have the power, independent of the council, of appointing the justices. With respect to the second amendment the decision of the Commons was in favour of 12,000. The decision of the Lords in favour of 6,000. We proposed 9,000 as a compromiSe, and I must say, after having made that offer, I am not disposed to go farther. Then, Sir, with respect to the other amendment, I leave it altogether to those who have proposed it. Sir, with respect then to these amendments, I have to consider whether we can, supposing we were to consent to these amend ments as they stand, be justified in sending this Bill back to the Lords, and thus provide that it may pass into the law of the land. In considering this question, I shall take the immediate question of those amendments to which I have adverted. With respect to that clause, which gives the power of appointing justices in an absolute and uncontrolled manner to the Crown, I have no hesitation in saying that as long as my colleagues and myself continue to be the advisers of the Crown, we shall deem it our duty, as the most natural and satisfactory manner of appointing these jus tices, to request of the town-councils to send up a list of such persons as they prefer in whom they can place confi dence.—( Great cheering.) I have no hesitation in saying that I think this would be an exercise of the prerogative of th e Crown fully justifiable, and rendered almost necessary by the state in which this Bill was originally sent up from the House of Commons. It has happened to me this very day to receive a letter from a Lord Lieutenant of a county, recommending a gentleman as fit to be placed on the commission of the peace, and though he is not recommended by any persons who may be said to be of the party to which I belong, I have no doubt that I shall be fully justified in attending to that recommendation, and I shall feel it my duty to have that recommendation car ried into effect, for I do not think it necessary that I should know myself—indeed it is impossible that I should know locally the qualifications of the gentleman whom the Lord Lieutenant has recommended. If, then, under his advice, I can see no reason which renders it derogatory to the dignity of the Crown to appoint such a gentleman, why not act upon the recommendation of the town-councils ?—( Hear, hear.) Let it be remembered this does, not solely depend upon any one declaration, and if there should be any abuse of the prerogative of the Crown, like all other abuses it would come under the cognizance of this House, and if it were found that any Minister had introduced discord into towns by the appointment of persons obnoxious to the greater part of the inhabitants, by not doing their duty in an impartial ad ministration of justice, I think after the Bill passed by this Honourable House to give power to town-councils to appoint justices, the House would hardly fail to take notice of such a proceeding. With respect to that other amendment regarding wards, I think we must consider that there seems to have been something provisional in the contemplation of the Lords in making these amendments.—(Hear, hear.) They have recommended boundaries which are not defined, but are left to be fixed by Parliament, and revising -barristers are entrusted with the charge of the wards. Therefore I say that the question of boundaries and wards may in all probe. bility again come under the consideration of Parliament, and a Boundary Act must be introduced, and made appli cable to corporate towns. With respect to the trustees of the corporation charities the Lords have again made a provisional arrangement, for they have decided that the present trustees should remain only until August 1836, unless Parliament should make some previous alteration ; thus showing that on that subject they think there ought to be a separate act of Parliament.—( Hear, hear.) I think there are some other clauses in the Bill which have been amended by the Lords in such a manner as to show that the Lords did not think this to be a definitive settlement of this question. Be sides these, a great many others have been added which they propose should be adopted, but with respect to which a question will probably arise whether Municipal Corporations should not again come under the consideration of Parliament : and I have no hesitation in saying, considering how much this Bill has been amended, how far its original design has been departed from, that it is impossible for Parliament to go on long without taking this matter again into consideration. I come, then, Sir, to consider what the Bill is as a whole— (Cheers) —and whether, as a whole, the House of Commons will be justified to the country and their constituents in assent ing to this measure.—( Cheers.) Now I am prepared to say that I do not think it wouldbe wise to be attempting to make any fresh amendment, or to attempt to get a point here or a point there es-(Clicers)—for the real question is, and it is a question to which Ministers have sedulously applied, whether as a whole they can present this Bill to the country as a great improvement in the government of Municipal Cor porations.—(Cheers.) Now, I have no hesitation in say ing, that I so consider it.—(Cheers.) In the first place,, all those various bodies, for the most part self-elected, with their various privileges, are altogether put an end to.— ( Loud cheers.) The system of appointing justices which the House of Lords declared to be bad, is entirely put an end to, and we have an edifice raised on a sound basis, upon the whole some basis of giving the power of election to those who are householders and rate-payers.—( Loud cheering.) Taking that 'provision alone, I think we have gone a great way for the better.—(Cheers.) Besides this, there is the intro s duction of a good system of justice in many of the boroughs. Their Recorders are to be persons versed in the law, sitting alone to dispense justice, and to be appointed in a very different mode to that in which they are at present.—(Cheers.) In another respect I. think we have made a great improvement, because although we admit that the freemen are to preserve their right of property as they had before, although we agree that they shall preserve their right of voting for Members of Parliament, yet we do away with them as municipal electors altogether—(Cheers)—and if they wish to become electors, they must acquire that right by paying rates. With respect to the boundaries, there are 93 Boroughs which have been greatly improved in that respect, and there are various other improvements introduced, one of the most important of which, and it does not belong to any party or side of the House—( Cheers)—is that which provides that there should be in future a good Police in those towns, by means of a Watch Committee, appointed by the popular Council.—( Cheers.) I think, containing these advantages, and containing in itself the germ of great improvement, I may then safely say that this Bill is the beginning of an improved Government of the towns in this kingdom.— ( Hear, hear.) There is nothing in the Bill at which I look with more pleasure, than to the proper distribu tion of charitable funds for which it provides, by a body of persons to be appointed, in order to see that the funds are not abused, but distributed according to the intention of the donors. I say, therefore, that looking to the Bill altogether, although I do not say that think it good—( Hear, hear)—for those who have made the amendments have taken care that, it shall not be considered as a final measure—(Loud cheering)—it is useless for me to make any declaration upon the subject, because those who altered the Bill have rendered it impossible for it to be considered as a final measure—(Loud cheers)—l say, then, viewing the Bill in that light, I think we are justified in recommending to the Commons of England to put an end to this controversy, which has been carried on respecting these amendments between the two Houses, and by agreeing with these amendments take care that the Bill shall become an Act of Parliament.—(Hear.) Sir, I have no doubt myself that—when this new Constitution of these boroughs comes into complete effect—and when the elections shall take place, we shall find not only that there has been a great improvement in the Government of them, many defects removed and many abuses corrected, and that the working of the Bill itself will point out how the whole system may be decidedly protected and improved in a future session. Sir, I know that with respect to any great measure of this kind it is not possible in a mixed con stitution like ours to carry into effect at once' all those reforms which one may think necessary. So long as I have sat in Parliament, and in all the great measures of Re form in which I have had the honour to bear a part,it has been my maxim to admit something that I have been opposed to, in order to have those Bills placed upon the Statute Book, which should attest the progress of our legislation. That, Sir, was my conduct upon the Test and Corporation Acts ; for objecting, as I did, to any declaration, I was glad to get the solemn and almost unanimous declaration of Parliament that the sacramental test was a profanation and an abomination. A different course was taken a great many years ago with respect to the Roman Catholic question, when those who proposed that question, after going into Commit tee, gave up the Bill, because seats in Parliament were not conceded. I may be wrong, but I thought that if the Bill had been passed in that shape the remaining clause of seats in - Parliament would have been conceded much sooner than they had been when these disabilities were finally done away with. If you have a Government either of absolute monarchy or, totally democratic, you may pass measures such as they have been originally framed and introduced. Many years ago the King of Prussia issued an edict by which all corporate officers were to be elected by the householders. His Majesty had no difficulty in carrying that measure. In the same way, if our Government was wholly a popular one, we should have little difficulty in carrying into effect any measures we might think proper to introduce. We live under a tempered Government, and must wish to see all reforms carried into effect consistently with our Consti tution as it at present exists. If we endeavour to obtain the advantages of such a tempered Government, and no doubt they are great and many, we yield something ' to the opinions of other branches of the Legislature, —if we endeavour to carry every measure through unchanged and unmutilated, we cannot obtain it without subjecting every thing to obstacle and delay..--( Hear, hear, hear.) This is one of the consequences of the mixed Government under which we live ; and on the contrary, if we are prepared to abandon that form of Government we may perhaps run into the other extreme. I am, therefore, prepared agreeing to those amendments to propose that they be adopted—looking forward as I do on this subject, and various others, to our future prospects—feeling that we have left much undone which we I had proposed with regard to reform, and upon this subject I may allude to the Bill for the Reform of the Municipal Corpora tions in Ireland—( Loud cheering from the Irish Members) — which must necessarily be introduced in the course of the ensuing Session. There are various other subjects which imperatively call on our attention. There is the reform of grievances of Dissent2rs, and such a complete Reform of the English Church, as is required, by the consent, and avowal of all parties. Tbose questions must attract our serious i attention in the next session, and I shall think it a grea advantage, if, instead of our having to begin again with ',mom — BM of • Municipal-- -Refines, - and. to grealienuash all those points on _ discussion has • aleeaiy taken place, that we shell have this Bill carried into leas', and shall find it only necessary to examine into detatls with respect to those reforms which the country aitiy require. I think we have carried into effect the pledges for improvement given by L or d Spencer. The change of Government whe'a took place prevented these reforms being carried, and we were only told that the Report of the Commissioners would be laid befere us, and should receive due consideration, while, at the same time a high authority had declared that the Commission was altogether illegal.—( Hear, hear.) From that pe riod, we have made a great step, by introducing the present measure. The Noble Lord concluded by moving that the House do agree to the Lords amendments, and re sumed his seat amid loud and continued cheering. . , Mr. HUME began by observing that he should detain the House only for a short time, whilst he performed a duty which he felt to be imposed upon him. He could not. help .expres sing his deep regret that the Hcuse of Lords had not thought proper to concur with the amendments made by this House. This House evinced a desire to conciliate never equalled, and which was peculiarly striking when the resistance offered by the House of Lords to a Bill which, with their exception, was universally desired, was borne in mind.—( Hear, hear.) This resistance was the more remarkable when the expressed wishes of their Lordships, with respect to a measure of Corporate Reform was taken into account. It was this : " The Lords participate in the anxiety manifested by the Commons to main tain a good correspondence and understanding between the two Houses, of the paramount importance of which to the public welfare the Lords are deeply sensible." They certainly had selected the strongest mode of carrying this professed • " concurrence" into effect, of almost any that could be de vised.—( Hear, and cheers.) They declared it, too, to be a measure of "paramount importance," but how it was possible to make the admission, that no measure was mo re essential to the peace and interest of the inhabitants of this country, and yet to treat it in the manner in which it had been treated by -the House of Lords was an inconsistency which to him appeared altogether inexplicable.—( Hear, hear.) He would call the attention of the House to the Speech from the Throne, at the commencement of the Session, in which his Majesty had stated that " He relied with entire con fidence on the willing co-operation of the two Houses of Parliament, which was calculated to remove unjust causes of complaint, and to promote the concord and happiness of the country." Could the conduct of the Lords with respect to other measures besides that of the Municipal Corporations Bill—he meant particularly that most important one, the mea sure for the settlement of the tithe question—be for one moment considered as proof of compliance with that recommendation ? The manner in which that measure had been disposed of, and the way in which the Municipal Reform Bill had been dealt with, at any rate showed this—that their Lordships took a most extraordinary course in meeting the wishes or acting in accor dance with the feelings of the people.---( Hear, hear.) Was it not insufferable that thahreform which was considered es sential, and which that House had admitted to be necessary to the welfare of the people, should, except so far as it war grant ed by the mangled Bill now before them, be refused by the other House of Parliament ? Then came the question—what were they to do ? The Members of that House were perfectly helpless : the people have no power over the other House of Parliament. The only means by which the majority against the people in that House could be diminished was by an exer cise of the prerogative of the Crown, which it did not appear likely would be carried into effect.—( Hear.) While he said this, he could not but reflect that this Ministry had had a most arduous task to perform.--( Hear, hear, hear.) There could not perhaps be a better example of the difficulties which they had had to encounter, than that a Noble Lord who was at the head of one of the most important branches of the military service of the country—the Horse Guards—with held all support from that Government under which he acted,. and to the members of which he communicated he (Mr. Hume) supposed all the proceedings connected with the inquiry.-- (Hear, hear.) It was no wonder that the situation of Minis ters should be embarrassing, when those who occupied the highest posts of authority under them, and who were dependent upon them, were foremost in opposition to them.—( Hear, bear.) When, therefore, they found the Prelates of the Church and the Peers united in one bond to resist the just de mands of the people, it behoved not only the Members of that House, but the people themselves, and the highest individual in the country, to consider well what might be the result of a continued course of such proceedings.—( Chee rs .) It was perfectly true that a majority of an important branch of the Legislature were opposed to conceding to the demands of the people with respect to this measure; but it was true also that an equally important portion of the Legislature—that House —was almost unanimous in the opinion that they should be complied with. If reason and common sense, prudence and discretion, were (as they appeared to be) banished from the Lords, what could the country expect ?—( Hear, hear.) Of what avail were the proceedings of that House when it was seriously held in the other House of Parliament that a particu lar measure ought not to be passed because a certain individual Member of that House had voted for it.—( Hear, and laughter.) Was such an avowal, he repeated, consistent with common sense, or prudence, or discretion.—( Hear, hear.) Such a course of conduct on the part of another brands of the Legis lature rendered it the more imperative on that House cau tiously and prudently to consider what steps were to be taken, and how they might overcome the difficulties by which they were surrounded. But it ..vas not for them but for the people themselves to consider what proceedings should take place; and he earnestly hoped that from one end of the country to the other the people would proclaim that there was little use in a reform in the House of Commons, if there was not also a reform in the House of Lords.—(Loud cheers.) All their labours and efforts, and sacrifices in the year 1832, and sub-. sequently, were completely thrown away, if the acts of their repeesentatives were annulled by a Tory majority in the other House of Parliament.—( Renewed cheers.) • Was it not monstrous that they in that House should labour almost inces santly night and day, with a view of carrying measures on which the peace of the country, the interests of the people, and the stability of the throne depended, with no other result than to have the Bills which they carefully prepared quashed or rendered comparatively useless by the decision of an irre sponsible body of individuals ?—( Hear, hear.) Whilst, then, he protested against the proceedings of the Lords, not only with respect to this Bill, but with regard to the other Bills which were sent up to them, he felt bound •to de clare that it became an imperative duty on his Majesty's Ministers to be prepared, on the next assembling of Parliament, for the promulgation of some means by which the two branches of the Legislature might be rendered harmonious. It was impossible to imagine any situation more embarrassing or unpleasant for a member of either branch of the Legislature than that in which he was called on to alter, in any respect, the constitution of the coun try. When, however ' the public interest demanded a change, they were bound to devise the best means of effecting it. There was one mode by which, he conceived, the constitution of the House of Lords might be reformed, and it had this peculiar advantage, that there was a precedent in its favour. He alluded to the nomination of Peers by the Crown. It was notorious that the Tories had been doubled in that House by Tory Administrations professing and acting on opinions di rectly opposed to the mass of the people. Would not his Majesty's Government, then, who conducted the affairs of the country on principles approved of by that House, and which were assented to by the great majority of the inhabitants of this kingdom, be justified in countervailing the preponderance of Tory Peers by the infusion into the House of Lords of in dividuals entertaining opinions in conformity with the great bulk of the people ?--( Hear, hear.) If the Tories thrust Tories into that House, why should not the Whigs do the same, and let there be some principle of fairness or equality esta blished amongst the members of it ? This might be said to be interfering with the legislative power of the other House of Parliament. But was it not absolutely necessary to interfere in some degree with that power which had been invariably exerted against the interest of' the people, 'when any great measure for their benefit was brought before them ? He might here say he was sorry the Right Honourable Baronet the Member for Tamworth was not now in his place, that he might have an opportunity of explaining the extraordinary inconsistency which was imputed to him in the report of a speech said to have been delivered by him at Tamworth : for with one breath he admitted the necessity for Reforms, and with the other denounced all those who would meddle or in terfere with that !louse which refused all popular Reforms.— (Cheers.) The Lords, whilst they professed themselves op posed to all innovations, were, in fact, the greatest innovators, for they had introduced hitherto unknown principles into the Municipal Government of the towns ; for they had insisted upon their division into a large number of wards, and de prived the local authorities of the appointincnt of the Magis. trates. He defied any individual who was acquainted with the ancient constitution of the Municipal Government of towns to deny that they, the House of Commons, were in favour of restoring, and the House of Lords of innovation in the management of these ,towns.—( Hear, hear.) He was willing, however, to acceptahis measure, on the understanding that in the very neat Session of Parliament a Bill should ho introduced to effect the objects which it was intended by this Bill to accomplish. With a eoleran and distinct protest against the amendments introduced by the Lords, he agreed to the re ception.of this Bill; and- he was the more inclined to take that course when he reflected that it introduced into the government of Corporations the two great principles of annual elections and popular control..—( Cheers.) Thanking •the Government for the measure which they had so wisely and with so just a sense of the true interests of the people originally brought forward, and the principles of which they were bound to see ultimately carried into effect, he did not consider it wise that that House should, when they could not get all they required, abandon a measure containing those most important plinciples.—( Hear, hear.). When they called to mind, .too, the sentiments so lately expressed in the second 'manifesto at Tamworth, .and the hopes which he who issued it built on the divisions of these entertaining liberal opinions, was there a man in that House belonging to that class, front the ultra-Radical to the moderate Whig, who was not persuaded of the necessity of union in the present crisis. —( Loud cheers.) Were they not prepared to show that the expectations of a return to power by that party who have so long misgoverned the people, were founded on the grossest. fallacy, if it was supposed that there was any other than the most decided opinion in favour of unity and agreement amongst the friends of the people ?—( Loud cheering.) He, for the last time, repeated, that he took this measure as an instalment of that debt which was due to the country ; and. he—notwithstanding the complaints of some individuals-- took the ceerse which was pointed out to him, only from a conscientious conviction, that it was now the best to be pur. sued.—(Cheers.) Mr. 13L ACKBURNE Wigan by saying, that until the F . IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, SEPTEMBER 7. Lord I)ENMAN took his seat on the Woolsack at fur o'clock. PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS (IRELAND.) Viscount DUNCANNON laid upon tho table the second Report of the Commissioners of Public Institutions in Ireland. TITHE INSTALMENT SUSPENSION BILL. On the motion of Viscount DUNCANNON the House resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House on the Tithe Instalment (Ireland) Suspension Bill. The Bill went through a Committee, and was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. _ PRISON DISCIPLINE. On the motion of the Duke of RICHMOND, the Gover nor of Newgate wa d s directed to furnish the Committee en Prison Discipline with some documents, the title of which we did not distinctly hear. Mr, HEATH, from the East India House, brought up re turns of compensation granted to the officers of that Com pany.—Laid on the table. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS. The Earl of DE VON moved that a Message be sent to the House of Commons, desiring a Conference on the subject of the Conference held on Thursday last relative to the amend ments made by the Commons to the Municipal Corporation Bill. The Masters in Chancery not being in attendance, their Lordships proceeded with the other business. The Stamps and Assessed Taxes Bill was read a third time and passed. Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved for a Return of the number of Bills sent up from the Commons, amended by their Lordships, and subsequently agreed to by the House of Com mons during the present Session.—Ordered. SUPPRESSED BILLS. The Marquis of WE STMEATH begged to trespass for a few moments upon their Lordships' time upon a matter of very great importance to the character of their Lordships' House. By referring to a Return laid upon the table of the House of Com mons, relative to the number of Bills sent up from the House of Commons, and which had been stopped in their Lordships' House, he would observe that the Hon. Gentleman who moved for that Return had not stated any reason for it, and it might therefore go forth to the public that their Lordships had ob structed the business of the other House of Parliament. In that Return fifty-one Bills had been enumerated, and he had taken the trouble of investigating the matter, and had ascer tained that of these fifty-one Bills, sixteen only remained with out having made some progress ' - many had passed, and were now waiting the Royal assent. He did not think there was a single Bill of these 16 that might not be satisfactorily ac.. counted for if looked into minutely. Some had remained upon their Lordships' table since the commencement of the present Session, nobody having taken them up—( A laugh)— because no Noble Lord would undertake to force on a Bill unless he was able to account for it, and state its details and objects. He would not read the titles of the various Bills, but their Lordships would he was sure give him credit for having stated what was the fact. There were four Irish Bills included in the number, and be must say that within the last few days be had seen in the Irish Newspapers the strongest and most unjustifiable language used with re spect to their Lordships' House. With respect to one of these Bills, the Irish Church Bill, of which be must say very little was known with respect to the reasons which would have justified their Lordships in rejecting it— ( Hear, hear.) It contained clauses to bear on property, the intent of which was to have cases re-considered, after having undergone the revision of an appellate. jurisdiction ; such a proceeding he believed was without precedent. Another Bill was the Constabulary ( Ireland) Bill, containing provisions most injurious to the character of the magistracy of that country. The third was the Dublin Police Bill, containing clauses to the same effect as regarded the Corpo ration of Dublin. The Fourth was the Registration of Voters (Ireland) Bill, the object of which was to break down to the principle which had been assented to and recognized by the Reform Biil, which would go to establish a proper constituency in Ireland, and make pauperism the criterion of eligibility. He would add, that many of those Bills had come up to their Lordships at SC late a period of the session, as to make it impossible that their details could be maturely considered. He felt it his duty as an Irish representative Peer, seeing the attacks which had been made upon their Lordships' House elsewhere, to make that statement, lest it should be sup • posed that those Bills had been stopped in their Lord ships' House. The Duke of RICHMOND deprecated - the system of ono House finding fault with the proceedings of the other. The conversation then dropped. SCOTCH CHURCH. Petitions were presented by the Earls of ABERDEEN and ROSSLYN on the subject of the Scotch Church. CONFERENCE WITH THE COMMONS. The following Noble Lords were named as Managers of the Conference with the Commons, on the sulject of the amend ments to the Municipal Corporation Bill : —The Earl of Devon, the Earl of Shaftesbury, the Earl of Rosslyn, Viscout Arbuth not, the Bishop of Bristol, Lord Wharncliffe, the Earl of Had dington, and Lord Vesci and Fitzgerald. Their Lordships having returned, the Earl of DE VON (who spoke in so low a tone of voice as scarcely to be audible in the gallery), as was understood, said, the managers had stated to Lord John Russell and other Members of the House of Commons, managers of the Conference), why their Lord ships could not agree to the amendments made by the House of Commons to the Municipal Corporation Bill. Their Lordships then adjourned till four o'clock to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS, SEPTEMBER 7. The SPEAKER took the Chair at 4 o'clock. Mr. Kavanagh, the new Member for Carlow, who was in troduced by Col. Bruen and Captain Alsager, took the oaths and his seat. CORPORATION REFORM. Mr. CHALMERS presented a petition from Montrose, complaining of the alterations made.by the Lords in the Muni cipal Reform Bill, and praying for some measure of salutary Reform for that House, and that the law of hereditary peerage may be abolished. LICENSED VICTUALLERS. Mr. DIVETT presented a petition from the Licensed Victuallers of Exeter, complaining that the measure intro duced by the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer was not calculated to afford them any relief. Also petitions to the same effect from the Licensed Victuallers of Bolton-le- Moor, signed , by 120 ; from Davenport, signed by 47 ; frOm Plymouth, signed by 63 ; and from East Stonehouse, signed by 21. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed that he would not have brought forward this measure if he had not intended and believed that it would be beneficial. He had been charged with a desire to uphold the gin-palaces, but his object was to relieve those whose trade was principally in beer, and with whom the sale of spirits was but a matter of secondary consideration. His object was to relieve the smaller class of publicans, and if he should retain his office next ses sion, he had not a doubt of being able to show that the mea sure had been productive of considerable benefit. Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition from the labourers of Warwick against the Poor Law Amendment Bill, and praying that tithes might be applied to the purposes for which they were originally instituted. BIRMINGHAM POLITICAL UNION. Mr. SCHOLE FIELD presented a petition from the Bir mingham Political Union, praying the House to reject the Municipal Corporation Bill, as amended by the House of Lords. The petitioners complained of the qualification'elause introduced into the Bill, which he (Mr. S.) entirely acqui• esced in. His own opinion was, that they were not to look among the most wealthy individuals for patriotism ; they were generally actuated by selfish and sordid feelings, and did not participate in those generous feelings which would be found to exist as much among the unions of B►rmingham as among any men in the country.—( Hear, hear.) He was sorry he could not concur in the prayer of the petitioners for the rejec tion of the Bill ; but were it not for fear of being thrown into the hands of the Tories, he would vote for its rejection.— ( Hear, hear, and laughter. ) The petitioners stated, that nine tenths of the amendments which had been introduced were mis chievous, selfish, and aristocratic; and he further stated, that they were fully prepared, and were resolved to stand by the House when any infraction of the rights or liber ties of the people were threatened. Mr. T. ATTWOOD expressed his regret that Ministers had thought proper to agree to any one of the amendments made by the Lords.—(Hear, hear.) He felt convinced the people never would be satisfied until the Bill was restored to that integrity which it possessed, when sent from that House to the Lords, a month ago.—( Hear, hear.) If there should be another election shortly—if Ministers would only pledge themselves to maintain the Corporation Bill, as it existed a month ago, notwithanding a Tory Admi nistration, they would have upwards of 100 more members on their side than they had at present. He thought there was more in the threats that had been held out than met the eye The petition was then ordered to lie on the table. POOR LAWS. Major BE AUCLE k pies;;;Ced a petition from Sussex, against certain parts of the Poor Law Amendment Bill. The petitioners complained that an order had been issued by the Poor Law Commissioners that no relief should be g iven to any persons, unless they consented to become inmates of the Workhouse. This order, in the opinion o f th e petitioners, would be productive of great hardships and misery. In his opinion, this was carrying the provisions of the Bill too quickly into operation. The Bill to work well ought to be carried into effect gradually. Lord J. RUSSELL would give his best attention to the statements of the Hon. Menthe', and direct inquiries to be made on the subject. Lord GEORGE SOMERSET wished to call the atten tion of the Noble Lord aethe head of the Home Department to the fact, that many of the country parishes under the Poor Lan, Bill were joined with those in towns, which in many Cases acted most detrimentally to the country parishes. He trusted the Noble Lord would institute some inquiry upon the subject. Lord JOHN RUSSELL would look into the matter. Mr. SC HOLEFIE L DtrUsiieathar Mitiiste;,.i;jore they allowed this order to be put into effect, would step the pen sions of all state paupers. After some observations from Mr. WAKLEY, Mr. RoBIN SON, and Mr. ATTWOOD, the petition was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. RUTH YEN presented a petition from the parish of St. Thomas, Dublin, expressing great regret at the mutilation of the Irish Church and Corporation Bills, by the House of Lords, and praying the House to do all in their power to sup- port the present Ministry. He fully concurred in the prayer of the petition. Also one from Whitburn in Linlitligowshire, praying for the House not to agree to the Lords amendme n ts to the Corp ora ti on Bill. Al so one from an individual in Dub.