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, t h e geot . ru l se rvice:. the pietletior iietory to he recorded, he •Imoldtl wish °to select that battle of.all others, hadlreen the most decisive and :transeendeot.--the battle of liailalgar. Ile bad T•alreadv stated tir.it ~the imvy appeared less brilliant in the latter than in the, former stages of the war : this was duly beeause their enemy I m o ditinpreareci by their own conquest I. But it would lit >a great preimo:ie e it we suffered the navy to 'OM ti.eir merit realed the highest splendomr of. their brilliancy; eve 'felt too deeply the ititmense assistance it had readered to the in enabling it to perform achievements that astonished the world. It Was not Cost the navy had pi oteeted ma commerce, ands» enabled our rerenne to meet the exigencies of the hour--it was not that It had perforated the most haearikmus arid difficult ot.all tasks, that of biockaditig etienly's ports through all the storms of wittier but the rtahy hail 41131 , 1vd. 10, •liad been the . means of enabling our limy,- to make those efforts- which constitut . col the principal .feat lire of our national Time and space seemed to be hardly au oh oat le to our efforts, which sometimes at time most distant points were almost eo-ineideut, and earried on %Volt 'a rapidity that admitted, of no Lordship had lately seen a regi ment that had fought at Toulouse ill ISIA, that told shared the conflict in America, and hail • retoroed in time to he present at the gates of niti,o (Ir.r, tienr!)—Whia other country could do► this? If we had every where been on the hem— if we had participated every conflict--it we had trausportrd, our armies with n tepidity un tiOw n itt former times, and, astouishinu to .Ft rope, this we Owed to our these circumstances, ilmentgli he tres!ed we had, in the grist itmle'of nor sentiments, dischargeththe feel ing in the manner most gratifying to the object of it—though WC had recto sled by montonvnts those who fell conspicuously, awl had repeatedly of efts votes of our mbniration, yet, if another method • remaimmed, he hoped we shouts! inmmortalize Trafal 4or ar3 ire bud immortalized Waterloo ; Trafalgar, which, Omagh dissimilar to the_ battle of Wa tolloo in some reSpeetS, so touch resembled it in others ; and that we should select that made of 'accomplishing this end, which. might' preclude the most distant suspicion of pi efereoce between the two services. The Noble Lord 'then concluded by moving, "'That this House, being desirous of "teqifying its gratitude for (hell:1 . 00°r performed by the navy, do request his Royal highness the Prince Begeut, that a montunep i t be erected in luentory oft he Victory of Trafalgar, and of Lord .Nelson in particular; a nil of the SerViees rendered 'hy the navy in general throughout the. war." 'Mr. W. ptrxbas rose'vvith touthrelattance to object to what bad fallen from hisljoble Ile %vita most anxious to support every proposi tion that 'emit to commemorate the' tritoriphs of ,the navy, but he did hot see how they could.erect p, ltnblic Monument, for which the name 'of LOrd should appear, Wilily thosp.of the Officers ,•were omitted who had °distinguished themselves in 'the. early• part of the war. ‘Vhat woOld pinta:l . 4y say when they read the inscription on this to the memory of .Loud Nelson (well merited , tit leis pall), and found .no menthol matte of the 14vcat services which Admiral Duncan, Admiral t. Vitmeent, and other Admirals had performed by sea ? Ile did not see that there would be any difficulty in making such an arrangement as would admit of °timer names being lobo ibed on the P.l: tar, as Well as t bat of Lord-Nelson. ThotOr the it,ad already come to a vote ropeCiing the !Monument to he erected to commemorate the ftatle eaf tt'aterloo, Ile was still of opittiOn that they might yet with propriety introduce the, Moue of all those Sea Officers who had most distinguished themselves in the late war, On sae 11°0'1100o which' we have now proposed to erect. The vote already tonne to, di► '. tint appear to him to suggest any . l'e xow why this should nbt be done.' Sir 311. lttoLav agreed 'with the Nimble Lord as to the extent of the services that h a ul bee n per folioed, but thought it would be more gratifying to give a general record of those.ler vices, tlian to single ont any particular object of approtpmtiott.--. It . would be better' -if the fund vat:tit to'the lerloo monurnent could be augmented, -and a tes t isuony :to mill the Sera:lees of the .army and miry. included in one gramd crectiou. , 2:7A:distinct vote to each of the services multi! riot , be so agreeable - one inclusive measure: of applause. Ile lieliev ed the Waterloo monntoeut, was. in good hands, end he Should reconooend that‘ ttisiawo concarna slmomild be united ; the expense would be lcss,,•anil the money laid out more suitably and magnifi , tently. Loud CAsTia.RwA6ll, by way of explanation, re plied, that it would not be coosisteut to subtract one iOta front the weed of applause that bad been testoWeti on time battle of Waterloo-: he could not rrpprove of so cuffing-down that brilliant trans, notion, and he thought it better 'that -it distinct grant should be made to the two" - services. Ad - oneitting the splandouted the. Victoria* obtained by. at Duncan, a howe, or. a St. Vincent, it would be tO leave - the many wi 4 thout a corresponding fot &domain:to, Vittoria, or St. Se,bas AmOtiOn ball been matte to place both ser vices on at parallel line, and to record their merits' by a corresponding mark of applause. It was an impossibility, it Wool(' be secrilege, to touch the %Vittorio() vote. The justice of time country-was Implic a ted ; end if what proposethvere followed,: time two services won't! not stand in a proper re lotion toeach.other, tudesa byerectingatiecoud ft onemment. th' the army ; and be, was sure the ,hoti)e'would leak was the very ;principle Of the yote to place In its proper.staddar+Abe: relative Merit Of the two Services. ,:° Mr. llottxett deprecated any 'differeOce in time Iloase upon a Vote of this tumor, and the more so as he thought the proceeding proposed by, the 01d.e.: Lord the'best that . could be devised, as ireir with a view , ' 10 political conseqemence as to trail - .411r eharacter. There ment be 'snipe difficulty la the seleetion for e (RAI re• vote; bait there were no . seleetion wilere was the lloosetem.stop ? For the actions of our ion.ott seAnieri; which called for 'the gratitude mold admireomM of the enitiltry, t..Lri . not - to'be ounibered. There might, and tuobahly was as Routh skill and valour dispias:d tuft di by oar guo..boats • itm cutting oat - enemy's itlmips, is - belonged' to these victories which were Afoht But surely no Gentleman would demand that each 01 these acts should be dis. I lel hr 2 icpt - frate s themselves in these gallant scenes wonld quire it-,and Trafalgar ens the brit c 0 , 1 ,1 that could be Aside for the satisfaction '6f n ll 7 For the %ietory of Trafalgar Was the propertyV4 the whole eavy--ciiresenting, as that brilliant victory dill, the fruit and sample Of its' trent centhint tkijl and valour. If, however, the sug g estions- of the Right Hoe. fientleman (Mr. Reedits) slionld Iron con sideration reqiiire to be acted tipon, some fineable proceeding might be hereafter taken; but he trusted that the present motion would be fount to meet the unanimous concurrence of the.house; Mr. H. Duenas expressed a disposition to 4110* rittieste-in the motion. 111r.,TtliteNrY observed, that the Noble Lord had been complitneuted upon getting over a dif ficulty, which was, that the army had been at tended to, shit the navy bad not. One mono. tent might do for both, as he did not entertain .such a religions dread oftnUeltintr the vote for Wa terloo, as the Noble Lord did. A Committee might be appointed to consider of some splendid • election for the purpose. NVe till know, that the sensation created among the old officers, by, the neglect which they experienced, obliged Ministers some time. ii go to !mike Knights and Baronets of them. Ile thought it moustrous to select one • battle at the end of a war to commentorete the ,toliforin bravery which had been displayed through ont the, whole course of it. Ile thought it might be possible to' unite convenience and tenement, and, sugeetted thee es churches were not will. cieetly numerous , to aecomModate the public, a teatplc . 14 religion" and a memorial of gratitude for the setvieus of our gallant heroc.t., might be erected. Mr. 13, BATHURST approved of the proceeding proposed by his Noble Friend, and stibmitted to the Bight 11otiouritble fjent leman who spoke last, as well as to the House; that the exPeoce building such a don't:h. as he suggested,. would be a very serious eonsidtiatitie. Mr. 'net:Nur, iu explaining what he formerly said, stated that lie' thought, after the Ilohte had merked its sense of the two. services 'Apart', elyois ithad'fortnerly dime, by every means in its pOwer, it sboulnconsolidate the gratit u d e an d admiretion of the co untry in a joint monument to both.' Lord CasTeeneeeke hoped that the vote would be unanimous. • Mr.liatqs;EsOrpressed his readine s s teeeive wee, to the tense of the I ;seise, ultimate!! 'he did not entirely eppiove of the plan proposed - . The vote of the 11 , ..m5e upon the'battle of Watcttoo was the na tural result of the great enthesiasna that thee pre. vaned ; bet that vote limited no precedent for a propOsition referring to it victory obtained ten years ago. , That the Navy had not, since Tra falgar, achieved any hoportant victory, was easily accounted for. Of that meritorioul br an d, o f. our service, it might well be said in theletllgnage of .tare great Ronnie —UN triumpkuni nod Where was it to n1111)1101, Wll6l tlitre Was enemy to encounter ? hat tit( case or Trefalgar was not, be thought, parallel to the 'victory ut Waterloo, and therefore, while he would lekee the vote of the' Hoes'e respecting the latter, vindisturbed, belltould Father prefer a pro. position, in tiiii• instance, to eomtnetuoratc the. general: services of the navy. With .regerd to th e sort of 1110110111VIlt %Odel l ought to be erected,. it must occur to every one, that .the erection of a church Must be more expensive than that of an arch or a column. But whatever monument or mouttments were determined upon, he trusted they would present splendid models of the improved state of the Arts ; and that, erected upon dee.ele- Vatirnii, they would serve materially to ornament this great Metropolis. What the expeitee.of ti le proposed monuments was likely to be, he was unable Co calculate. He • had the, lomat coal thence iu the taste and jatigment .of the ,Gentle 4 men to whom the. execution' of the vote with , re speet to Waterloo was confided 7. end he .Iran ito doubt that Gentlemen equally competent woeld be selected on the present occasion. ie trusted that the best artists would be consulted; and that the models'of each would be decided upon whit en', tiny tindutepartialiey. Were he to hazard an humble opinion, he should advise that the ancient modals be carefully consulted, and that the plan of columns or obelisks'be preferred. Lord lILNN ING expressed his sati s factio n t o see alt the Gentlemen wits had spoken on the subject aoxiotis-to concur in the yetretal measure,. and only difiring in what was not very essential, . Hie Noble Friend, he thought, had, got_ overithe dif ficulty of s e l e ct inga proper series of engagements, by fixing upon , the battle of Trafalger, which its so mow of its features W 25 analogous to that. of Waterifigi. * He had serious objections to the sug gestion of a Right lion. Genleman beside liint ('Mr. Dunks). If his opinion were adopted, the army Wotild have a right to . complain', that whereas the services of the envy had bee n commemorated by it general monument, theirs were only edebrated in , one. erected in ,honont of the ;Atria of Waketleso. tfii Ijon. Friend (Mr. Bankes) had ehlecteil to the proposition of the Noble Lord, on account of the dissimilarity between the battles of Waterloo and Trafalgar. In leis opinion, they were Completely analogous in their most importunt,featitres, The only objection that Could be stated, w.th any plausibility, to the selectiOn of the victOryof Tta talgar, as the representative of our naval exploits, worild be; that 6tirotlyix naVakictories'Were not reWarded, and , required tin enuuiera. tion upon the ptwosed utonun►ent. He would not allow that the country had been thos ungrate ful. :Monuments had been erected to those who those engageinents, and their relatives bad been, provided fur, while honours were cc►t►t'erretl on those who survived, ►►nd the thanks of this, House, the highest honour that they could te ceire, were conveyed to them, Mr. FORRICS,wits sure. that the speed > of .the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) molt have given great satisfaction to.the Mouse. as he placed_ the armyand navy on a level. tit: was afraid, how ever, that there wat 1 wide difference- in reality bet kveen the regulations and treatment"or the two, SCI vices. Much bail been done ity Lord.Aldville for the latter; but mile!' still reminted to b e ,l on e, Instances &anti be prodneed of 4 m entena s of '23 years standing in the navy—a Circumstan ce which did not occur in - the army. 01ere the th l k; ora ble Gentlctuan %Vas p . roccethug with suuht strictures . . ` On the naittVE end regnlatinnS of Ole nival tei viCe'f, when, be wits'inicrrupted by) ' Sircivoccr. WattnENnen, who rose to order. H e w as very 'unwilling ti) interrupt °the ,flon. Gentleman bdi the matter he was mging reiuil': ed earl was :capal•ile of a satisfactory answer, Which, howevi4, could not lie rei , mlariy marl in this debate. The Hon. Gentleman's observations livieolulahlittlititittisdreetah theta u ni trei n t itl lie il tl .re t g o o , la te r u n r l e a l l y b mer e . cat i tie e hoped the Hun. Oentleonan would defer his statei-''' ments to a more conven%•et opportoniiy, when;‘ lia assured him, he, or sue other Gentleman of • thb same *department, would be glad to meet him on therptestion of these supposed grievanc e s. The )speaKan said, that the Hun. Gentleman, he hoped, would desist froth such topics at pre sent.' There was now no question before the House, that called for an inquiry into the regula tions of the navy. An opportunity would after= wards occur, when be could more' appropriately state his observations. Mr. LONG trusted that the proposal of the Neu. hie Lord would be acceded to. His Hon. Friend '(Mr. Nukes) had asked what sum was likely. to be granted by Parliament for the accomplishment of the /Alt* which the House was now discussing He felt •as anxious to be Made acquainted with this as any one, Nothing could be determined upon till this was known. When they consulted the artists alma plans for the proposed mom'. ment, the fitlt coestion was, what expense the nation wo'nhl furnish ? When there arose a ques tion whether this. monument should be a column; an obelisk, or any other edifice, the same inquiry perpetually met them.. He Was anxious to receive . assistance from all quarters, and would be glad to have the opinion of •his Hon. Friend (Mr. liankes) Lord CASTI.KREAntt said, that the Miinument should sin justice to the tuitional magnificence, and the magnitude of the victory it was intended to ,commemorate. If the proposition which he had this night submitted to the House met with its concurrence,• he saw no reason why, after wards, there should not be a contbinued Morin.: ment propowd to commemorate the,merits of the two services together, Elie!, action would time be rewarded as it was performed, and afterwartli` tdl.should.be placed .brfore the view of the nation in one grand. design-, Sir Itormitir IhnoN thought the H ouse Mould", have ithine controul over, the•sutn• which might be neressitry for the erection of the mono- meat, and that the amount shook be diiiinctly Stated, particularlyias some persons had estimated in the expence of th e mouneut which was 'voted for' the victory of 11raterloo, at two millions. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he did not mean that the 'present motion should preclude the House ; from a third vote, if they should afterwards wish to erect a joint monument fur both services. As 'to the amormt of •the .money, that must he left to thi, discretion of the Crown, but there .would be tio'disposition to conceal t Impublic "expence Imut Parliament. The Noble /Lord thought that , it should be included in the account of Public Set - - rives. , . TIERXIM as lit now nn:lerstand That two' uttintilmiuts, were to be erected, atul there ikvould he; no obiectiou to third, he could .not !keit) thinking that one twig) ,t combine the would he mu ell better, in his opii l in n , to address the crown tor a • generai mono!arot,io commetborat'e our wival and military UCllieVe. lifelltl during the war, Mr. WM. Smrn t was rasher dissatisfied with the last explanation of the Noble Lord: . He thought, (bat while the House looked to the magnificence of tbe.Rlonument, it should he effcctied With as mach enonomy us pos,iblc mid that, would b e b vst ac cninplished by blending the whole in One 11Iolut • mut. If three Monuments were to be erected, they intist.cither abandon the idea of nragnificenee, or sacrifice a great portion of the public money, 'which might be saved. The motion was than put, and carried, nem, tow,4. Mr. BANxs was desirous of being understood, that he should be utterly against nay third moniy. ment. • Lord CASTIAREAOII SAW, be had already stated that h e did nr t mean to *preclude the House frot, considering that question, but he had not intimat ed that lie illtettflol tp propose it. Mr. ItiLi.STiRN gave notice, that on thiS day week he should Wove that the House do take into its cOnsideration the distreised.state of the ,agrr culture of the country. • Mr. BLUM/HAM %visited to ask the Nl' (Ale Lord, whether he intended to press thetlisemsion of the Tteaties au the day which Iris Lordship had fixed. Those Papers Were exceedingly. voluminous, and the Hon, Member' feared that the 'Hottse'woldir .not be prepared t 9 take them into consideration on that day. Lord' C:ASTLELICAG replied; .that Ministers could not bring forward their intentions with re spect to the military estnhlishment, till the gene ral state of the CAtintryl* been taken il)CO coitr sideration. He wished, 'therefore, to adhere to the day (Thursday week), of which he had given notice, Mr. BROUGHAM apprehended, that if they cane only half prepared tu-diletiss 'the Treaties, Ala notice would be under the necessity of adjourn ing the consideration of that subject. BaNNETT• begged to ask the Right lion. Secretary for the timue Department, Whether any steps had been taken by the Chief Justice of the King's Bench, fur the reformation of the abuse, which existed in the King's bench prison. The Hon. Member was afraid that very little reform • tion had taken plice. Mr. Ilitzv AorimuTottreplied, that the sub ject, Was 110%0 under tha consideration of that Noble Lord. A new writ was ordered for Stttlterlandsl►ire, in t . ok.t t mu of Jime3 El. who has ac cepted the Chiltern Holub:eds.—Adjourned. The lute Earl of I 3 tICKINGHAMSIIIIIk Was in hig saLli year. lie is succeeded, we believe, brother 11a:vrcy, who is in holy orders, a l'reben dary,of Canterbury, and Itectur of Chipping War den in Northamptonshire. JAMes TDPPING, ./.1,.5q..W11S yesterday morning 4kltt n into the office of Attorney-General of the-- 0141411 y Palatiot of Luataster, before the Chap.. cellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. citLe,.ivr.t) • CILAMM:Lt (WV'S" P131%.!:';, „Yesterday Jit;niiii . !;, in the ileveLor -lilRl4 Of his prupeaSition Ott initAi s C CtitiCtitiOP, Coo' lined hints& to the follotving 1 Religion slotil be the a”' 'lll 2. ' Tic tolle ,, es anitSchools shall be nut °tat under the. itiip'ettion of local authorities; 1 ). 4 . also kinkier . tlnit isf Archbishops and BishoPi, skill reform the abitses they may find in the-n• 3. The Bishopi Shall have PoWer to augment the plumber of seininariei e ecoirdiug to. the neces ' iti !: 'nf religion, and the, resources and p0p:46011'4 the dideeics. • .•.. „ 4. The Bishops shall ticintinate to the places of the principal Colleges and 8chooli;. Tile Fri" cipal shall nominate the Professors. iiev'ertb elell the Bishops shall bare authority to displace Pcr', sons incapable, or whose Principles be 6. 0 " sidered dangerous. 5. The IThiversities shalt cvtitinne as they exist at present, a nd s h a ll b e un d e r the iiisP"'l°- , i 01 the Mitt of the Interior, he shall be instrtirr e ' as to the best means of forwarding the iute" -t . of religion, and of making lite r ary i n k. n ri fi t! !triAir 6. The Central Commission of Public 11 1516 ' tion, .whose zeal and talents Jtts Majiag•J IV esteent and recompence remains siiperckscti• S 1 1111.:T. COMM ,The Chamber heard the report of MAtung Laborie on the proposition of M. de 1 31 aug 1 ' ft Invottr*of the. Pet • This report toils P' eiPa)ly to the snppressiori of p ells ii,as enjoyed bY sithe married ptiests, antrthose who Itnie ect". fficcil the service of the altar ttifollow inotlier Pr" f " . SlOll. I t ' prprottes also, to Settle proei:j o n 3 l l Y thi minimum of ecclesi ast i ca l pens i ons at 500 tr. 3'lj the maxiintihr of GUI) Ir. I The: repott will be printed, and the disc as ' ilj. .open'on Monday. • b'En. I—The Council of yestcrd4y at three o'clock, at 'the Cu:ale of ilic the Xing News front Corsica state, th a t th at island c" 11 ' *hints to enjoy 'perfect tranquillity, and that th e organization of the *legion goes en with activity, . The first Session of the Court of Assizes °' 'Pulls, for the month of Febromy 1816, will cow mence on 21ontlay the ath, , and ti.:4lllinitte op M (111 clay the V2tit. Nitltt.-Cri C4llllel alit' be trig"' t hiefly relating to roblieries. Th e Prevotal Court of the tlepartmebt of the Seine met 'yesterday, and condemned to death .4 person of the name of Magloire, convicted of a d attempt at robbery on the , road, from raris tt° St. Denis. ' It it said that NI. Marie de St. tirsin, fortner . i o l s. physician-to Bur m ap a r tc ' s armies, and who ''',. r at Petetsblirgb„ fins been ex il e d to Siberia) .I .°, having indiscreetly matt e tile of improprr d' ; " ,: ciiarte. relative to Nlitle4ll Affairs. They write from St. Quentin that somemorq: - Trieractif the fiussian troops commanded by Cl iun W r oronzoff, had caus e d s O nse a l arm l est i t shr'i'l l I be the intenti on t o occupythfs place, AS " 11 . $ 1! that Of Guise ; but this inquietude bits !Mir been dissipater'. , - • - it is thought that a part of the Staff of the 6nr lisp Army will remain yet some days at P aris. . , It i% not true, as stated in one of the Jourto o that Messrs. Wilson, Bruce, and Hutchinson i nt ,' Jcen provisionally set at Liberty; Their arg'''',;", to this effect has, on the coutriwy, been reins' il tir an Ordon ttattec o f t h e C hamber o f Co!Oi;=, ,', litofirorrnableto Ike conclusi ons o f t h e King'sl',...% , cureur, qul joint la deniande pronisaire au fin" l' These Gentlemen, it is said, intend to append 1. Ot t this Ordonnance. They have, besides, clah° in the intervention o f t h e English Ambassador, order that th e y may e nj oy the same 06'11,1°4ci 0 which they conce i ve the Fre n ch laws Wv e natives. COURIER EXTRAORDINARY; THURSDAY 1 1 / 4 10"r-! a l The PUTS were UTS in which th e J ourna l s ereiw' ' ' have hein - closed, and will not be tautil afresh notice train the Prefect of l'"" c '' t ot The last news f rom Warsaw say, that Ca r 'l, 4 I as in rived in that town, from which pla ce proceeds to Petershurgh. • f r Tile letters troth — Lyons announce, that per c l . tranquillity reigns in that city. The colonial r,5(,, pie of Gevois, Cond r i ex , an d Revedegier have u"; disarmed. The prin c ipl e di stur b ers o f public ~,I,••• der have been arrested. The terviee of the '-; tional Goan!, and the activity of the troops a t :N. Hoe, promise more than ev er to ensur e the F o-- repose. it aie Nets, Pea. 2.--General Vantlammer'esUe' s- t o . days ago was still a t C asse l, i s preparing ,r 0 " 4merica. • iris , The Englishman who announced last year 1 ,, intention to establish a a:cam-hoar on the la% Lerton, appears now determined to put it in ex it cution. He is gone to Avignon, to ascertain 10, ultra would be a polsibility of establishing (1° between this city and Lyons. The eloaths of the Russian Guards trill 'tiptoe of cloth purchased from England. c ,„,#' emustence is remarkatdc a b ecau se t h e foray . Ukase of Dee. 31, 1810, which forbids t . he e, , „ anti portation of woollen Stun, att tfluse cofton from foreign count, let is uot yet l'ePe jc ` l , Accounts from Vienna of the 20:h Jantidry say, Art hdolto that the approaching aorriagc of the . i