The Sun. — London, England, 1816-02-28 00:00:00

• , • of that Hou se; balm. had whiled the Chineellor of theExchequerio, be forced toi do this, by the proceeding% out of door's. . Sh"F• S-ItinclaTT remarked,. the Noble Lord wished the proceedings out of doors might ha - ve au effect -on . the majority of the _Minister. He" . (Sir F. Burdett) holier! ;t would make en impres'- Sion on the Minister .lsintself---titat WO . all .the l: ditferetice'bet weer) them. ` Lord EiRINOTn . st could:nrit beliiie, that 4 tftV; House would refuse to attend to the feelings '7'o7 / the people. Ile thought better of ..tl,se - ,ilfetniik4... of vvhoin it was composed, than to believe them capable of such a course;----lie knew the majOrity . of them tube independent. Country Gentlemen, whose Minds •Wete .our diverted froin the true in- . terests.of the people, by having their thengbts, ' Hite those of the Noble bold , op'posite, entirely turned. to objects . of' foreign policy. For llis own part, ,he wkls resolved to. oppose the 1 - 3 , 1 l in every stage i and he Crusted thafthe Right llonourable (leinlei t ian opposite would think better, and see . kniv .infspedient it was—bw.v ttniitst, and uncoil stithtional. in every.sease, to burry through . : op, 1-lonse a measure of such importance, . ~t i Mr, PRESTON conteoded, •,that the plait 'of the Chancellor of the - EicheqUer` Was ' founded:. iii error ; it was the system of a , wretched, puny, slid - miscalculating Chancellor bf the ,Exeliespir, [Order, order r . ,l' He proceede4 next to state the situation - ..0f the 'country; and Maintained it 'bad snived ill the climax of distress. He was dis..;.. ?Used to.do all he could in waking the Countrfio . s-sense of its danger. - At the saute time in respect 16 any excitement of the people, although he had: tltepowei Ov!.r 15 (as iVt insiteritood) • parislieS in. : the Co4iy of 1.),!‘ on, he,scorned to exerchOutty .. itillnktft upon t his oecitiiou • -' . , l‘lr. OcutonNt had.. attended all. the tliscusiions . tipon MO Atteastne in :a.for.mer year, .and he i ltud sio recollection, that on the Member for 13etlftit'd .. ()IrWhitbreitd) proposing . the addition of the •fvords "t. and no longer," ad inference was to. be drawn, t)iitt. this Tax should or might he renew tal laic!' the i .. ..expiration of; .the war. It . appeared Si, Itiot,,A at in the Mode by which this locasq t e ! has coj :e4ll, a trick was at,etnuted to he . pritO: Siked", ~..,it.be Chancellor of the lixchequer, wilt) Was the - laii:Mau to whom he should have been , 449,fe .... .11 , :kt,attribiite a trick of this description.': Mr. Atimia ,' was ,tire no excitements had been 1 IlletrtlT the' JittpoSe or producing the feeling wtirclii ` ti;itrbil ' en•alliided to. It any hi tine, in hilt jaslititivilt, :.existed on tlii , subject, 'it arose out of •• tlilk later meeting of l'arliainene. ' . Ar,,,Wytsxs situ not wish to anticipate any fli t tore diiiinision - , "but be waS' astonished that this ItleaStlreih.oo ill I:ie brought . ore so early as nett Friday, anti be_hopetl the lutiol,er ut ,petittOoiS . would ituluce - tite , House hot . ..in shut its ears ;j against the voice - of the people.' The Right 1-l . on. Gentleinutt hail asked if tinie,enough had not .hosp gi- . .-4s ? The meetings appointed allover the cunt) o -try,slinit2ed it' hail rim:- The appointment of new likeelta; the delay of intelligence; when' conveyed atily' by Werkly papal,' tuid a thottsloid' other frittei:4, 4!tfi feuded in imP44le the tpeetipg's ;•.but th e y would tie irly oil has's! taken :place .by-tlie.- aslr of mouth, and he thought every Member bfitiail, as au inmost man, as a faithful servant ttiltis constituents, to adopt 'the cOorsenf studied protraction with regard to the Measure before' the House. He slid regret the tote and langnage of Atlrsinistratjon out thist occasion. Without en. ! feting into eirctintstanckS'of propriety . cir impro. piety iii the'tax, - expresitonS, such as' " an igno taut iiiirpatiance ottaxatiou," that : " the country had" been i4bposed on by exaggerated stateinents,". were. at thi, period deeply insulting. When we hail been' paying for ten years, to say that we were iz! , oror, that -we had taken a (Also view of, the subject ! that eiaggerated' statements bad gone ,forthl— What need Was there of 'any statement at all 7'he subjectcame home to every mast's, bosom, and to every. man's pocket.• Distress, such as the present, the oldest man never knew before ; dud Ile (lid grieve to heat such language adopted. ".Chit Secretary of War bad said, that we were in an ' eeonomical mood—it was our duty to be so al ways. Ott Tbnistlay,, it had been , aid, we. a ere to talk t it firming! The country, indeed, had long looiccei aiticionsly •to the needing Of ?orna ment, as An a rediess to souse of their many, grievandes ; but language Such its this, evincing 'loch a total et ant.of sympathy and feeliug, could eply occitiion,a breicit ; betwect ColltaltUCllt3, and their repreoebtatives. , Mr', Wise emild nOt remain silent after the. 0.1 . 3 ilemilini , s that had been made. ile knew that° ). ); rw uition to taxation ...,al a Lays puptilorrneasti l 'f L'lq"he Plati•l';' led : any discostiou on the k'roperty.• - .Citx IS lot n.a me at preseht,.,hccanse, till ttia', 'li;ew ‘t 6:41 toe. : nece,sury 'demands were, it was impossible 'o erlter into the extent tit 'supply that Would be retlisite. If the estintates.laitt before Ilse House should be approved of, nuintektuatt be r4isett i . mid, 'Omitting that it auSt. .be - taisid, Ilan means were so little . objectionablesi - thc In coineTi.s. , When, it was, proposed lasi year to yelitiiitush tie 111COMe TAX, Otheis were,ropowl in its steed, vs4ieli •were' considered at infinitely less eligible * and thiS'lntist be the case tow, if the Income tax were taken off. If. theektabirsliment were reduced to (he .loWest possible scale that our safety required,' Duly 30,0001 per annum would be - saved.. He was aware that the petitions were 'very numerous; hut the • people would 'say wlie- Sher there wcre not other taxes worse than the ineOME t4X, ant, if t bat' were relinquished. %idle liger others inure painful must not be itupwil., Although ,ill . ) map held the tight of PetitioPtnit Irl6l 'e sacred than, he, yet. there were many °cell. simison• which' it . teas. the duty of a Minister, and Illercy to the couAry, to oppose the wishes of the people ; he, hoptd, therefore, 'the' house wo uld sliscusi. the titihjict coolly, temperately, and with °ill' ~ .3y disposition to precipitation. ,I\lr4 Potitiobay, was fully diviiseo tio ta ke a d. v atitage mit idle 'ltightlion. Gentleman's proposal, t o LU.slilirr the autilect patiently and dispalision- ' kit 'l': r but not .SO the .(.hancellor of the Exche- . `, l '"' l Ise would ;lin give a later day. than friday " 'At. Mid ibis was termed a patient. congitlei 4 tiqu. °I .: 14 , e 'aubJett• The object of the ',Righo - 4,00.: (4 ,-titivitiars' sp eec h hail hee) to terrify thli ; RecP. i l''''fi,,;iiitil s‘ , .lifiin,; to their lleprestritatit,Pei r . ' .. l`res - lott :01 their'ittelings •he had said, 1te,•, 1 , h,,,i, •;i . r... ~' -'- • knows better teats vnue of tne 4,4xeaequer , )' " 4 -11hat • - your ' . t auilif yci t i do Is lor • ,mteres 1 not patiently submit to what, has been sit other irons. that side of the tlOnse ; anti lie had no ;;ester!; 'lto hes in reserve 'taxes mach, more doubt that every possild2 attempt , vault! he made grievous and oppressive." But he hoped the from', that quarter, to lay obstaeles . " against the people would not be terrified.; he hoped they measure► however tweessarYt lin:Were!' wise, with would reSPeOtfully. and steadily continue their. • vie w to the safety and interests of the country. . • posture': to, this measure ; an d l i e did i , stetini the • .4r.: C. WYI4),M, toner ieing . soshe extireatiOns langimge Tilde use Of' most h`ovel and extra i in the - Nuble-:hord's epeccli seplietrto irlat•.had esiunteif, iiiit these was , no relarion frinn hint; rethai'ke.d. this Inate.ivelity 'sribeisting beta eel) hs and : the. people; that t h e y upon them. ? told eetered into e..-iliert were not to differ, in opinion ; „L and that it they 1, ord Birelieseo likewise expliiacil, ;dice,We were to "pniiisli 'them hi-inflicting new - that his observation‘ refereed to the speech ;grierassees still' more. 'intolerable • titan the . pre. , ; Freensantle, riot to that at the floir..Gentletoat. , • , ceding . t r Mr. BARING Saitl.tri.tt 41,Wal cer.e,o.y:vo y true Mr. Rose ‘ explained. 1: thattheopiniou of tire Cliancellor of, the Beet le . Mr. I.leouo trAti , aid. if any thing could induce quer on this subject had been eressed over and hint to persevere in the system' he had proposed, over again 1 . What ,w.es wanted oil rite other side it was the 'N ler imb of the Right Hon. Ckentleni a , t e, wasthat the country might have tali ()ppm itiony who seeing; the di s tress of the country, knowing of declaring its opinion. lie could not think fi l et the aversion whielt was. entertained.' by all ra t tle s the : Noble Lout (Binning) had at .all sietde out a rieainst the • tit* 'contemplation, had had eas e of misrepreeentation against hii tend course to the desperele,expetlieot: o f saying, • (Mr. - Fre.entitittle)....•lt that Establishment' which were how you wince ,under the little finger of the was talked of was • agreed •to by •the'!..Hotsse, Chancellor of the IF,Xeltetpter, or in a few days was clear that Taxes of some 'kind would • 4 14' • • . you Warred the ' weight 'cit . his . whole hand." • tailed 'for to support it. It was • therefore Mr. Rosa explained. • . in vain to say that there • was no con- ADeitrto.r,.osi complained, that charges iteelloie , between the.. Establislimetst , and. the „had been brought against the Chancellor of the Property •Tax. Much as to the continuance of Exchequer, arld'in -a Much' !Muter ttnie then that • this 'odious' T ax wo uld `d e p en d On whether the adopted on the Treasury side Ofthe-Howie.; One 'louse voi ed the Oitablishment. 'l' here had . been of these charges was, that be endeavoured to stifle : no argument 1.0 spew that it. .would. be improper. she voice of the people: now th e [louse had b e ets . to give the country 011.0111)0 mi:l4y of presenting :sitting nearly " a Month; and during that period his Petitions to the House, 'except iiitieett that the' Right Hon. Friend had explicitly declered his in- Bill 'iVoulif.soon expire.. Bur this wns uo reason ;; 'tendons tin less titan three 6km:4,4,1031m hrst•oc..; beetittee.- if the imposition of tie' 'ax should he elision of Isis doing so. was on the very first day of : . fotiedabsoltitely necessary, app be resolved o n the 'Session. •cobld then lie chirgell' with pre:- ;by the. House. it 'Was by 116 means necessary, in cipitation, after a warning so . repeatedly given totter io'the levying of the-Tax, toliave' the new 1 - I,ven'ester . had. heed more astonished' thou at the 1341 pessedhefore the old one expired. The new seggeetioti of-such a charge. Another clettge ntig,lit be made to act retrospectively, at hail ,brattglit forward had bee ti th a t or a violation of'. fortherly been the ease ; for this' tale was *Ca public • faith 1 that ,a pledge had bt.en .openly'' 'lettcll wily once as year. The House was non , : given, and that l'arlianient were hound to the uti. ,rit> doubt ry its. -.great• surprise, informed ,far the. servatice•of the promise held net. lie, fo r his p i , • :first zint.e.that had been given List Ses. had never beard oi . Apy s u i el, pled g e, HII,I he as to the .continilance of the Tax OulY for indeed eittinished at arty main wilt/ p ird , ~Cone year, and to, SispirOre this; -it Was pr'ot'ect, that himself in any degree for t'.e exigeneies'or eir. by'somer very *tinning device, twO little wUrds. cittnstances of a future peiimi. There' wis e "bad i•ren.,left out in the Act. Every one was sen. (Slit (abet; charge lo which he could not. avoid Bible of the ; ,theedful tlistress et the eostutry, !titling,: The. other side of the littlisehad taken' &ilk some' of Clse fright`lion. - (hentlemen oppteSite, lip at great avcrliott-to certain expre s sion: which win) prOliabir had durier the lieason, travelled' no they ,aestittled,,letuLbeen na.tlle rise of in tiik quor- farther., t mom.; ,14omloki and Brighton, , ,ter; aiming these wv, 4. t ignor ant imp:deuce 'where..e.c,totplz .0,1, were not' very likely to see . of fretpieetly attested to. for' Hi - - ., anf !Leiria a itistrec,—:no'sywq,ctiiii, Pik etxMouity part, lid hit Voiver - beard that eicl)4'gfirtiti made retreiioiiiiiit int act:omit ~ioltise severity, oldie . 101 V of ; arid, what was 'remarkable, IT: a 'single ay . ..cunceived-it to he that; duty of .eyery . per son (us that side lit liett*lied es et, heatti 'Menttiel tfl,ilirow every posAble obstacle in : the jt ; hut he was cerrain, at all greirt*s . , that it • had way 6 ( fitti'ters ill hers that - the people .never been ilia& (Ile of in the sense' which lead mils lave"tune to ex.prets their sentiments to' ~ been attributed to it, He was sore the pttierside - - Theliontre,..„..Thir was :ill they „ • ,of' the House would giVe then: cre„ditfor-piret4ei.;l .4Vaer,,kcis contended that th,' countiy had testing in 'an equal degree iiifesling for othee expresiing its sentiments than by. 4 tliey seeined' to Ott j . petitioning. - lie tor 'one 4.did not remember the `ean6t4 that the Chancellor Of tfie -Exchequer fely) - 4iltidge-tarnltoArave been given In the Chancellor a tuAliaintts Celight in inflieting,on the .people ol...riee;Jilxellequerlast yeaf. most oppressiee modes of texation ; :.he. wes, cte.l. • Sir AtegoteroSit was:seniihle 'diet there Were tain,,frowever, dolt no man tvotild be mere ten- cases' win hich 'Vic:Ws of the people must. 'be aibly delighted titan his Right lion. Friend; at/ - a thwarted, aittiAlteir tuclinittieni opposed,„for their ie• in his power to lessen the bUrthens. 0t.,,! 1.0 wn perthationt. -w.eitare. Batt there were some the'peopte. i ,sohjectkon„whiclathey were perfectly capabl e • o f Mr. W. Fueest.kar L e insisted oil the c harg e judging, and their petitiews statenietit of h,riv- against Ministers, of wishing to.stille the sorer of ancei shrirtlll alwayaaneet tvi lost respectfid, and the people, As to the titee.fiXed by the }let' fbe .ertriative, ;examination. One Right Honourable' the expiration . ot. tax,.'oe the' enuiestioiyest in•eitiitentles.kauVij. H. Adding;Oi;) had not heard a scram) of any particular form of .words.iii th e A c t, ; ;,,fayte g o f the 'l+ , :oble Lor& (Castlereagh] 'he cared not. it . wai t ibt to be aqui:talon of wor d's : been So ,aftell .quoted, though he. Wee its the lie Mai !rained that •au absolute iilolge had been I House at the time's( sc as uttered. He bed heard gi !en by Ministers,, thin, the tax should -not, he. sthat in bad tilliel, Gentlemen sonic( i tiles itirrene coetinued, and lie chall d iged ,any,..Nleinber.who I dered to the rbliiiisteF of the day. The Gentle wets present tvhen'the Bill was pas t ed,' to say wile; ; men opposite lied of late been , afflicted with t h e tiler this was not thafact. Al to the expression, ; infirmity of being dumb I. now .r.nothe.r come " ignorant impatience," hnputetito the,woble Lord, , upon: them, that of deafnes.s. He had bearty in. he distinctly remembered the words to heel) st lice, of Getitleinen surrendering 'their' tinder: tittered by hint. Would the lbon..Getttle inine;' standings; he had heard .of instaikees win...re they who spoke last, venture to say that these. words i . even liirrendcred their eonscient.e.; Aria w a s had not been used by the' Noble Lord It 'was , the first case that C94)C to4 . iA ktiowlerlge, ii) •in vain .to . deny them. It was a cool rlt iibe r atte, h , frOM.eflicia - they bad •surreii ,phrase, used as a twilit and insult to the other &red Olen* St/lieSp • ' aide of the 'House; It was, indeed; trite that lie Petition wNsilten , read, end, ortleted to, diseession would be pretnature, when petitions. - on the taole. • , w\ere, presented daily, and accounts received of Ata.iquit'NEt) nE,nATE ciN THE AlltrlY othßes in prepar4iou, in every quarter. The ar. Lord a`lr.at• Toni ni is kal the Ord e r' o f the gument of the' Right Kon;Gentlermip ('Mr. Rose) ftir takothing• the Debate sin tare questioo •of went to the expenditure dein:mkt, tits leering-tint, Atiny &An-OWe% to the c wato i ttee o f the exent Of the Establishment:and that the Vro.. .Supply. 'p e rty Tax was to he fixtd for the Establishment. f;nari.a.liatl never . heavil amore its ( Rose said, No.) He contt ode,' [hit this : yOtt.int question ti - Otteted , lts • Parliannt—lii4 was fairly theurgument of'the Right don. Gen. iteyer- eddressed theliouSe,svith.the emotion which tletti a n. Ministers proposed to, levy opoo the., he eow felt vine Alte,tio t esoi!tt was only; whether. or during a profound peace, ,taxer. to the net the llose..e would con Sent to•mak e of o a r . free amount 71) was only Ai x , mil- ConetitutionausilitaryUntsarehy. That pi ()position lions less . thait what' had h ee ls r e - g l oved d o rin g the .. was Ices :than nit atteur{tt to impose: inoet, oppressive: period of the wee...a-war unex a in- .' tat TY-Uovst.s: 'duet-4 oa alte„ coil try. For one, lie coold pled in point. of expensiveness, , tie tininitaiiiell I not consent to clot() Its details', and Wo o ht hear that it had-not been truly - Stated- thatAlr. Pitt no s u ite ott that point., (Ltuighter.) It was an had said that be regretted that the P eac e Esta. insult to the itinferstanding of- the , !louse. to wish to makis them believe, ie 'estateof profound pence, blishinitit of '1793 had been so 'small.. The , was bound to throw every difficulty in the.w a yof , : tiott en establishment of, 150,000 men Could be Ministers, it' they peneeered in harrying an iseeeSseq nt . The Gintleen oepoSite might langh decision of this most important question. it they pfeMed, hint they . must.,sepoose the Mena cis out his side of the 11otise were persOni born Lord' Ottitstalo.--It was, so much the. practice j yesteriley„ completely ignor a nt at history, on the. oilier side of the house to give the worst. they' ealied . epritialietti to think such . en es . colouring to :evety•thifigthat wae' said by Mini- tablisliment cohsiStent with the integrity of the stars, or by those; who supported them sort.; Coilitittititn}...H[liere the Honourable Gentleman,' to conduct Wits so initial with these (sentleurent.t.. notwitlistending his proMise, entered iron some was so much th'eir stuck itr . • tra— dethat it would details,'- end.. instituted a contaritori between the be Waite iwvain to : make at appeal to . their can—Peace Establislinient now 'proposed and those of dour, or to expect anY thing like fairness froffi ' farmer eras)..Upon every viewot the subject, it wait them. He only rose in consequence of the chide 'inipossibleto make DLit the necessity forsueli a Peace Jiinge ofahe Hon. Gent. '(l‘fr. Freemantle) to those . EbtahliNli went, unless we were to believe that the ,which tool raised' its to otir preSent tiles Membirs;:who: had' been ptitent when the 'Pro perty `Past • bill avas.passed,.to state whether a titan' of pOwer and glory, had . suddenly tailed us. pledge had not been , given by Ministers that the It'lldcl been that the army would ra- Tax was:only to be contiifiied for a year.- He min Limits the coptroul of Parliament, 'because had been-present, and had heard ,no•such pledge,.. :the Estimetes were only voted for a • year,- lie knew not how there could he airy such pledge. and 'at any future period might he either cur- Another' charge was preferred against. Ministers, tailed- in their extent or withholder altogether,. on.sthe store of stifling the public, voice or; this - if thc /louse • should think tit. But be wished subject.. Ile•wialiett to be informed how this was to 'know whether there was any thing new to to be done ? same sbibg was said of every ieeOniMend chit as au additionel - security ?, tax t'iroposed by the Government—the same acen- Wereluit 'the Army Estimates always !tined for ration was kept alive, - forsooth, . the voice 'one yea: only l As to the controul of Parliament, 'of the pUblic could be stifled.' The Chancellor they were nut to invest the Crown with powers t vit . the Eichequer; on the very first day of the i which theYcOnsidered inconsistent with the seed.. 'essiort, which • waa'now a mortal Ago, gave no- rity of the . Coustitatinn, in 'the hope •titat., they Lite that he intentlisl to propose the - e01164111.111Ce 1 might afterwards r educe them. For they might oe 'of the t. Was, it. then to be said • that time 'then find theinselves fulfilling all the fOrms and people to present' -poi. ittuctitn" :was not alloivel for the of ti,free Constitution, when that fres. 's'tioat -.l,3tit.this as j ust any_ , o il o lll :was at an goer. ,i thiou tilt ;these.. grounds tst - , , should never cease to resist the attempt to impoor on the country an artued•csta'llislonei t t, two- tlit.ts larger than any erer yet atkpted: Oar only safety was in the protection of 'the plinciples of our Constitution, and the heart with which the people ircitold com4ine for its defence.. 11.,weetteloptfil ,to Ape those States th.,t could4nit on.fout:at ones a m plop mod it .. 10:111 p 1 mn,: we 0'001,1. 0 01y nt•littt ourselve7entemptiblet t :id ! ridi cu l ons. it ORICH denied having intended 4n 'say that' che.necessity of an. enlarged ?race - . E.Stablish went ' , arose from the increase of OurpopulAtion.' iLsoh: paeticip4ted in all the setitimet ti of Constitutional jealousy which the:lion Gentle. _man opposite - had expressed i;llitt the - questiori /tow - far teat' jealousy-was founded I Tnat Hon: Member at onetime seemed to wish, fur' no peace establishment at all. tic -had afterwards acknowledged its propriety with regard to Irelandi and had thus reduced the questiou to one of free, It waa.therefore inconsistentin him to sty that he would hear no man on the subject. But this inconsioeuey might Justify e belief th•tt the.Gen tlemen....opposite felt it their interest to avoid ata examination into. details, in which,: if they enter ed, they. *eye conscious -they w ou ld be rowed horse:llod foot. :The lion. .Alember, •however,, who had said that he would hear no one, and that to propose any 'explanation was to ofier. an insult to. his understanding—(hear, hear!)..-:not had, no objection to refer to former establisheneuts, •fur` Copies of uhich his friends hod . even voted,'lte order to make comparisons.. He was . particular*. lv fond, as %veil as his side of the 1 - 1..ti3e,•0f the establishment of 1791, and of -repea,ri.;g the assertion, that • the present • was a perm.thoutS , Peace Establishment. But. it must be , recal.• • leered, that the pstablishment of 1791 had been. proposed after seven 'yens. of peace.-- Ile denied the permanence of ' that now brought • foilvard. The 30,000 men in France, and 20,000 in the Bastindies, only formed a Tart of it for it lime.' Deducting these, he should con sider the propriety of the 99t000 which remained. The Honourable , Gentletnan bad said, that the' 25,000 men for Great Britain . were within 5000: of 2the'reace Establishment of 1791. But that conSisto'.4 48,000 men, ant! riet (430,000, out oit which 'there were 17,000 for Great Britain, and , 15,000 - for Ireland._ ' lie had.'his - o most conve. niently'forgotten the statement of his Noble ! Friend, which shelved that' the force at home must depend.. upon that kept up 'in the •nies. The reliefs for these amounted to 6000' men, _which were, therefore, to be deducted out of the 25,000 men for Great Britain. Titts idea of our' naval depots requiring an increase aR the number of men had been treated with con.' .tempt ; but who could consider as an object tit inditference, the guarding of our establishments' and -stations) Some of these, to a considerable amountivi eve new; and unlesi the Gentlemen op..' polite were prepared to prove that their number Was too great, any objection to' supplying them . with efficient ,protection was unfounded.. He theta' defended an Hon. Friend of his, who had bete. , attacked , on the groned that he had attributed • the necessity for a large Peace Establishment•ter an increase of population. He declared that : 'he' bad been misunderstood, and illustrated his argument by the example of Upper Canada, which' required greater protection, nut in consequence of the increase of its population, but beeamie the .opening of toads, slid otherhical cif Cumstanoes . occasioned. by that. augmentation, offered for, attack. Upon the whole , t he question was one ot more or lei , , and the. House coldd never Come to adecision on the subject, t u t. less it went into sit inquiry. No person was 'more satisfied than lie was, that the real . securitOlf the Country ‘rls its Constitution. 'Nay, he was .neat!,' - to admit that it was that free Constituttoo attic vgil us. anti Europe —nothing else.-o.olear; ; . • „hear,j)... I r et, it be hewn him that the proposed - • ext.ahlihtnent was Minecessary, mid tie would vote against.. it. Rut •he teltaved that the people' of t Litgltind, who tiltrayi dceided right w hen they knew the facts (Hear, hear would on this iden. • stihjert .entertain,.the sameupinio o as his Miticsly's Miiiktera,'lnstead 'of regarding them us 01050 enCittiel to their country Which 'certain Gen. ..11tnne.n wished to make client appear. Mr. FlifiliMANTLa objected to the principle on Nrhich - the estitbiishmeitt was runeled, anti tint to `the details ,, , which he had little doubt Govern . . ment were, prepared to j4tify, ate their Own of the was - 9nestiors, was 'simp ly this—that it illegal end'contrai y tit at,e - Justitutioni Of the • country 'to Maintain Military force witlitiat tht consent of Parliitatent;:v 'which reduced the,Whole to a . quistiort•ol; degree. • 'fls soon as. the cot ietit.Of Parliament Was:obtained. to the support, ot: arty standing fOree. As to this ~rettntion. of our new Colonies., that ,Ought to ha , decided according to dick utilise , - and not irity ti - reference, to the prelent,questicut. We were .113 A tificd in L iticreasing the troops in the West 1 silica iu consequence sit the exiiitence of ,a great *ad: Empirc, :“,1 tai CaNada, on account of the sit,t,t.• tint) of the Uniteil -Suites. ►le ileprecatot any coVesSion of weakness on our part to the Poweis of Europe, by the re►tuction of the troops We tt*era► to' natintisiO in Franci. Sir lloaettr liettoti not only objected to the principle of .the measure, but thought that it cinihl.itpi he supported. He .inveighed agAin%t the EmP:ror.Alcxender, and the rest 'of our - Allies.' • -il4ol•il'eltt. contended, that the civil poicer Of Irelatiti is totally inadequate to.the preservatioti'Of • the pemlii, and that nothing less than '43,000 troops wes.stiffieicnt to preset ve tranquillity. He beggra. Getittlemen to recollect, that Ireland is not"Eng.' land, as it Wee last, night . said that :England sv t 1 nut Germany. It two countries ware very ,thi« ferently situated; Inland had not the blotting of it . residentnUittryas England' bad, to benefit then by thelry,eemple their in fl uence, and their w e alth. In Ireland we b ud an ahundant population . out the means of employing them, or these habits by which society is byncetted,. meitAura must not he assumed to be bad, because: it ntasinat itliplicabte to England. 'rho etuptoy. Auilitary force in Ireland was for the, okrsvpueposee of general protection, which watt ilimumpl:purpole of a regular force , the ussia.« sauce it the prekervation of the peace; and itto kreveutton of illicit `diotillatioui 4.`k, 25,0 p,