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for Lincoln in f his services. ould not then on. and Gallant :01. SIBTIIOBP, new clauses, and Gallant were calculated s, because if he 1r an Act to re hear.) There than there was Col. Sibthorp.) [mane, let theca n Colonel Sib pers, and allow Cheers and bthorp.) • vould not pre,' He trusted It a the poor, and lucation. i. 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He ,1, my" could r, 'posed by t u p; najority or "' Committee: 311, and ni.—(Hea r ' ) end the P l 4 would ea r l e the law ° cate for tb e the presen t , sent s essol'i o the secon d 'ass the Pre' lading. oo e suggesti 0 House. ... A He agn he effect the Bill' ding of this ions to this it would v" n. m e rnke i, ersevete 1 ent time; ( sense prevevt i ll walks 6ble pe°l3.- !at impo rt; lo )ple sho u , A Bill Wool" Is e to the Other par ts riv doges' 11. 1 in C° lll , [ tended t" ausc in tb e o )visions 1 the 03 rt this 011 taken in to for conEl' ►n, and ied lease inity ligt" rd llUdier of Sa k W I lock Repie t . t i estio at the T oo ess . 3 1 ar so) I Eng' ) tbe roril e ,lbour o „ the Chore I _ o 6o. e COW erVie Ssl tervie vi owning' rdaY 6t oards' bridge relict ATTESINATE KING LOUIS PHILIPPE. EXPLOSION OF THE INFERNAL MACHINE. FIFTEEN PERSONS KILLED. (From the Correspondent of a Morning e Cont - mporary.) PARIS, TUESDAY r;VENING, 8 tem. The steady ir.credulity you have manifested in England on the subject of the plots against the life of the King, which have been so frequently pressed on your attention, is really not to be wondered at, since even here—on the spot, he the midst of an atmosphere polluted by the con eoctica of the basest and most cowardly conspiracy which the annals of treason have had to record—there are many who have hitherto refused to believe that his Majesty's per- Ron has been in serious jeopardy. That question, at least, has now been set at rest, since it will hardly he asserted, by the boldest of our political sceptics, that the police have illiL this clay danyth e i ° ne• to do with th e gett i ng up o f the tragedy which been enacted, with such sanguinary effect, on the Boulevards of Paris. 'ou have doubtless already presented your readers with the programme and itinerary of the great review of the National Guards of tile capital and its neighbourhood, to which this, the second day of the July Anniversary, was to have been in a great measure devoted. At an early hour this morning, it was observed that the muster of the legions was stronger than on any former occasion, since the first great review in the month of August, 1830, irn• !lfludiately a f ter t h e Revolution, when the citizens of Paris, s hed with recent victory, were full of the enthusiasm Inspired by the presence of the King of their choice, a nd by the fresh guarantees to publi6 liberty they had achieved in the renewal of their charter. In terms of the Prescribed itinerary, the King left the Tuileries at 9 o'clock ac comp an i e d by th e D u k e o f O r l eans, who had returned from Switzerl an d express l y f or t h e purpose of assisting in the celebration of the present anniversary, and followed by a l wanerous and brilliant staff, consisting of all the field ms rshals and general officers at present in Paris. On is suing from the Place du Carrousal the Royal cortege pro ceeded by th e R ue Ri vo li an d the Place Vendome, and on reaching the boulevard at the heal of the Rue de la Paix, took the direction of the Madeline, for the purpose of in specting in the first instance those legions which were sta tionede. to th e l o ft, stretc hi ng qu i te through the Champs tlesees, as far as the Barriere de l'Etoile. The troops were formed in line along both sides of the boulevard, so that after the King had turned to the left at the head of t he Ru e d e l a P a i x, t h e i nspect i on began with the line on hlB Majesty's right as he advanced ; that is, with the line Which was stationed on that side of the boulevard the far thest from the centre of the city. It was about 11 o'clock when th e King returned to the starting point at the junc tion of the Rue de la Paix with the boulevard, and from t hence he proceeded with the inspection, still keeping to the right side of the road as far as the other extremity of the Ime near the Bastile. It must have been after the Royal cortege had passed the scene of the intended massacre, in Proceeding towards the Bastile, that the infernal battery Was adju s t e d ; an d hi s M a j esty ' s providential escape may he ascribed to the circumstance of the diabolical engi neers having neglected to make an allowance for the King's not ridin g in the centr e o f th e roa d , b ut k eep i ng consi derably narer that side of it i n w hi c h t h e li ne was stat i oned which happened to be under his immediate inspection. When th e R oya l cort e ge arrived at the Port St. Martin, I observed that although not exactly at a regular trot, they ve .l ere .ae in m oving more ra pidl y t h an i s usua l on suc h occas i ons, ha f g all th e w hil e ma ki ng d emonstrat i ons with his an hand as i directi ng t h e attent i on o f the Nat i onal Guards d the crowd to his sons, who rode beside him. This was not intelligible at the moment, but was in some degree ex plained by the action of one of the Royal aides-de•camp in attendance, who displayed the hat of a Marshal of France, all defaced and trod upon, and stained with blood. On pressing forward to the point where the bloody scene had to'teen place, immediately in front of the Jardin 'lure, oh the Boulevard du Temple, two doors beyond the ruins of the Theatr e de la Gaiete, the utmost confusion prevailed. The body of Marshal Mortier, Due de Trevise, had been car ried into the garden, but his horse still lay dead on the Found, Two other General officers, in attendance on his Majesty's person, General Aymes, one of the King's aides oe-camp, and formerly aide-de-camp to Marshal Ney, and General Blan, were also killed by this fatal discharge, as 'Was also Col. Reussec, a distinguished sporting character, '" 110 happened to be on the spot in his capacity of Lieut.. C olonel of the Bth Legion of the National Guard, who re ceived his death-blow while in the act of saluting the King as ee he Passed. Am o n g the w ou nd e d i s G enera l C o lb ert ; thr unclaimed bodies. two men and a woman of humble 12 % a_ IIY lenwk:lr w ho had e evidently been mere spectators of th e re posed on the boulevard at the momen t o f tionTo provide against exagge r ati on , I may men th 'line at at the n e i g hb our i ng corps d e gar d e t h e num b er of d and wo un d e d was stated at 15, i ncluding among the latter three p ersons of one family, a gentleman, his wif e , and their d aughter, more or less severely. thlt Was the Bth legion that was stationed at this part of e bo u l evard ; but although one horse was killed and two ohers wounded, including that of the King, it was re 'narked as extraordinary that the line itself was not touched. The military men who heard the explosion describe it as that d of a feu dc p e l o t on . It p rocee d e d f rom a sma ll win ow in the second story, about 20 feet from the ground, tOver a wine-shop of the lowest order, just opposite the üblic garden I have mentioned, which is situate, as you "vv, in the midst of the theatres, which on such an oc iie:11cl• og as th n is becom es th e mos t c r o wded part o f the laou ra' • The i ns t rument emp l oye d i s no t un k nown, I be ,a certain class of privateers, who give it the t 'arne of an organ, on account of the number of barrels of which it is composed, all radiating from one point and ca pable o f being discharged by the application of a s i ng l e blat ch• Had the angle of this battery been incli ne d a aihgle point lower, it must have killed both the King and I. ll ° Duke o f O r l eans ; or had the R oya l cortege been as thbeyondin the cent re o f th e roa d in returning as th e y were going to th e B as til e , the massacre mus t h ave b een much more general. It is said that the person who actually applied the match was a little gamin, not more than ten or twelve ye ars o f a ge ; but among the persons arrested, amounting already t° 1 0 or 12 , several of whom are probably i nnocent, is a ma i 0 himself dreadfully wounded in the face, who appears to have suffer e d f rom t h e b urst i ng o f one o f t h e b arre l s, all loa ded with slugs, and so heavily charged, that 3 out of t he 30 of which the machine was composed did not stand the sh ock. As soon as the fact became known, the cry along the line was " Vive le Roi, a bas les assassins," and mutually between the troops reviewed and those who kept the grou n d, " Vi ve la Lignc," and " Vive la Gard Na nale." The Woun d ed man is a mechanic who has long occupied the room over the wine-dealer's shop, from whence the dis. bcharge took place. It is said that his jaw had been broken Y the b urst i ng of the barrels, and some even say that he is ?ot likely to live through the night. Two hats were found in r 1 the room, neither of them his, and he himself was arrested the wine-shop below. As soon as the agitation of the moment would permit, the Prefect of the Seine hurried forward to the Chancel&Tic in th e Place Vendome, where it was known that the Queen and the Princesses were to be in waiting to receive the Ring on his arrival. Having broken the matter to her Majesty as gently as possible, the whole family resolved to remain in the balcony during the long period required for the passing of the 17 legions in review. His Majesty's dress was observed to be stained in several Places with blood. (From the illessager.) To-day (Tuesday) as soon as the King had passed along the whole of the line of the Boulevards, on the side on W hich the National Guards were drawn up, his Majesty li ne on the opp os it e s id e , on which the troops of the 'ine were stationed. About a quarter past 12, at the mo ment that the Royal cavalcade arrived at the rising ground orl the Boulevard du Temple, near the theatre of the 'fon ollalbhules, a tremendous explosion took place, litte the fire 'NM a whole company. Several persons w,re killed on the s P n t. The effect of this unexpected event is indescribable, , 4n d a general panic and stupor seized upon all those pr es Lad "L. As soon as the first s: , rnptonis of surprise else • ert eeased, th e p r i nc ip a l o b ject of attention was to Hi amm :if the person of the Ki ng bad escap ed. i lor B J eS ty r as on horseb ac k, ne i t h er h e h i mself tunat any of th e P r i nces were wounded ; but, unfor nombet 'we have to record th e l oss o f h uman b lood of a of persons dear to the St a t e , f a ll en am id rt cries ;11/(.4 go iversal horror and detestation. This scene took place ptthe presence of the King ; death surrounded his Ma y with its victims. Marshal Monier, the Lieutenant- Colonel of the Bth legion of the National Guards, Colonel Iteus see, and several General Officers were killed on the B Pot, and on the opposite side several inoffensive citizens ; snlito of the National Guards, and even women and ail d n, fell v i c ti ms to this flagitious act. The Boulevard was °rrt eamin g in blood, and several horses lay dead on the scene °lc arnage. Th e sympat h y of the people seemed excited !0 the highest degree ; the Ki ng , w h o was great l y cheered nefore th is unfortunate event, was ten times more cheered after its occurrence, and there was a universal burst of in itillation at th e d astar dl y work of assassination which had bee n perpetrated. The following is the list of the victims, as far as we have been able t o ascerta i n i t : Marshal -Monier, killed. M. Reussec, killed. kit led T hree Gren a di ers o f t h e Ist Legion of the National Guard, • A Li eutenant -Colon e l of the Line, killed. Two men and a woman amongst the crowd, killed. E ight other . p ersons, amongst whom a Captain of the Na- tional Guard, so dangerously wounded as to leave little hop of recovery. Generals Pellet, Ayrnes, and with two private indl'" (TT — same journal adds, that they heard of six other persons having been killed and nine wounded t but iiiihosti names they were onablFi to liScriAiti:3 ~oluert, wounded : together ( From the Gazette de France.) HORRIBLE ATTEMPT AT ASSASSINATION. We have just learned that an ieferaal ntachine g destined for Louis Philippe ) has hintid go. Vaal persons who were close to the! Prince. As Louis Philippe was passing the Boulevard du Temple, opposite the theatres, a violent de tonation was heard, and a Ahower of balls came from a house opposite the Jardin Tura. The effect was cruel. Mat'shai Mortier was killed, the two Generals, Pellet and Klein, were wounded ; five grenadiers of the 4th battalion of the Bth Legion of the National Guard were killed, and several officers, soldiers, and individuals amongst the crowd were wounded. It is said that the horse of Louis Philippe was wounded. A number of the National Guards rushed into the house whence the discharge had been directed, and arrested twelve individuals. The same Journal, in another paragraph, states, that four gun barrels of the infernal m ichine, which burst, killed one man and wounded another, who were at the moment in the room from which it was fired. It also .states that nine persons were killed on the spot, and that several others were wounded more or less severely. According to the same Journal, Colonel Raffii, of the Ist Legion of Gendarmes, was killed, as also Count Klein, Peer of France and Lieutenant-General, and M. Reussec, Colonel of the Bth Legion of the National Guard. Lieutenant-General Pellet had his nose shot off, and Gene ral A 3 mes was severely wounded. In ail ten persons be longing to the staff (etat major) were killed or wounded. WEST INDIA LOAN. The parties intending to bid for the West India Loan, ac companied by their friends and many leading members of the monied interest, waited on Lord Melbourne and the Chan cellor of the Exchequer this morning, (Wednesday,) at eleven o'clock, according to appointment, to receive the requisite in formation on the subject of the contract. There were present, Mr. Rothschild, with his son, Mr. Nathaniel Rothschild, Mr. Moses Montefiore, Mr. D. Robertson, Mr. Cohen, Mr. Irving, Sir John Reid, Mr. Mildnay, the Messrs. Ricardo, Mr. J. L. Goldsmid, Mr. Maubert, Mr. F. Bailey, and Mr. W. Morgan, in all about 30 gentlemen. The Governor and Deputy Go vernor of the Bank were both present. The meeting occu pied more than an hour and a half, many incidental points having arisen in the course of it for discussion, but the results are capable of being intelligibly stated in a very brief description. The proposition of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, after undergoing some modifications in consequence of the discus sions above mentioned, is, that the amount of the loan shall be 16,000,000/. • that he will give for every 1001. in m one y 751 . Consols, 251. in 3 per Cents. Reduced, and an indefinite amount of Long- Annuities terminating in 1860, in which se curity the biddings are to take place. [The official document will be found in another part of The Sun.) The dividend in the Consols will commence from the Ist of July, 1835, and that on the Reduced and Long Annuities from the Ist of October, 1835. A discount of 2 per cent. is to be allowed on payments made in full. The motive for placing the first instalment at a period so distant from the deposit is un derstood to be, that a considerable time must elapse before any large amount of the West India claims can be in course of pay ment, and it is the wish of the Chancellor of the Exchequer so to conduct this operation as to avoid, if possible, any incon venient pressnre on the money-market, which would necessa rily ensue if a large sum were locked up in the Bank of Eng land, which could not be paid away again and brought once more into circulation, on account of the non-adjudication of the claims. It appeared to be the opinion of most of the gentle. men present, that this inconvenience, which they regard in a very serious point of view, has not been effectually guarded against, and they pressed very strongly for two stipulations— viz., either that the Government itself would engage to employ the money thus lodged, or th a t th e same thing sould be done by the Directors of the Bank. These, however, have been de clined, and the Governor of the Bank, though repeatedly ques tioned on the subject by Mr. Irving and others, has not given any assurance of the support of that corporation in any way to the transaction. To provide for the possible case that the claims of the slave-owners may be adjudicated more rapidly, and ac cumulate to a larger amount than the instalments of the loan can meet, the Chancellor of the Exchequer has determined that for all such surplus amount certificates shall be issued to the claimants, bearing interest at the same rate as the loan itself, and chargeable on the instalments as they accrue, such interest on the certificates to cease as soon as the money to take them up is provided by the payment of the instalments. It is proposed by the Right Hon. Gentleman, that in the event of disputed claims occurring to a very large amount, which it is anticipated will be the case, the sums so disputed will be paid to the Accountant- General of the Court of Chancery, to be invested in the usual manner, and thus brought back again into circulation. On a question being put to the Chancellor of the Exche quer, in what manner he intended to provide for the additional 5,000,0001. voted under the Compensation Act, he stated that of that sum the estimated compensation to the Cape of Good Hope and the Mauritius amounted to 3,300,000/., which, owing to the distance and other causes, cannot be claimed until the next session of Parliament ; the remaining 1,700,000/. is the appropriation for the claims from the island of Barba does, which, through some informality on the part of the Le gislature of that colony, cannot yet be claimed under the Act. The Right Hon. Gentleman admitted, however, that this dif ficulty might at any time be obviated. Still he would not in clude that portion of the claims in the loan now about to be negotiated, but intended to create stock specially to meet them, to be paid to the claimants at the market price of the day whenever their claims are adjusted. He further gave the TT ceting to understand that the 3,300,000/. dependent on the claims from the Cape of Good Hope and the Mauritius would in all probability be negotiated in the course of the next year. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had proposed in the first instance, to make the deposit 5 per cent. only ; to allow no discount for anticipation of the instalments, and, in fact, to suffer no creation of stock under this operation until the whole of the instalments were paid up. The inconveniences of this course were pointed out by the gentlemen present with the shrewdness and sagacity which belong to practical men of business, and occupied a very long time in the discussion. The whole, however, resolved itself into this--that a de posit of 5 per cent. only would leave the contractor with out any protection against throwing the scrip on his hands, should any unfavourable political events occur to produce a depression beyond that sum ; that mere scrip without any option on the part of the holder to convert it into stock would be a dead-weight on the market, as it could not be come in that state, not yielding interest, an eligible invest ment for men of capital. These arguments had their due weight with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who consented so far to remodel his proposition. The contract is to be according to the form of that in 1814, which was read to the meeting ; the biddings for it will take place on Monday morning at 10 o'clock, in the usual manner—i. e., Ministers %%ill place on the table a scaled paper containing the minimum price at which they will allow the contract to be taken. The tenders, also sealed, from the respecti ve p art i es w ill then be opened, and the h i ghest will be declared the contractor; only that if the whole of of them shall be found below the minimum fixed by Minis ters, that minimum will be declared to them by producing the sealed paper, when any of the gentlemen will have the option of taking the loan at that price ; otherwise a new con tract will be entered into. It was rerna:ked by Mr. Rothschild at the meeting, that this is the first occasion, on which a loan has ever been made for this Government with so high a current price of Consols as 90. When the deputation returned to the city, and the particu lars of the Conference were made known, there was a good deal of agitation in the market, and the funds fell about 1 per cent., and appearances threaten a further decline. In fact, most people are, or profess to be, much alarmed at the po3sible resu'ts of so large an operation in the critical state of politics and of the money-market. It is understood, however, that none of the lists originally formed are to be abandoned in con sequence of what passed at the Treasury meeting of this morning. _ _ Cons - ols left off at 89j to for the Account, and Exche quer Bills at 265. to 28s. prem. Prices were much depressed also in the Foreign market, and business to any extent was impracticable. This cannot, how . - ever, be more than a temporary state of things. The follow ing were the concluding quotations :---Portuguese 3 per Cents. 58. to 59 ; Spanish Bonds, 481- to 49 ; Brazilian, 85 to -. 1 - ; Dutch 21 per Cents., 54i to 74:—.Morning Paper. ACCIDENT TO LORD MUNSTER AND FAMILY.- The Helvetic relates that the Earl of Munster, with his lady and family, being on their way from Basle to Neufchatel, met with an accident, between Montier and Conet, which might have been attended with serious consequences. Upon reach ing the second turning of the road the carriage, in which were the Earl and Countess, with their son and daughter, was, through the negligence of the postilion, thrown down a pre cipice of more than twenty feet ; and if it had not been stop ped by two trees, would have fallen into the Birse. Two of the horses went down with the carriage, and three others were left on the road, from the traces breaking. Happily none of the party received further injury than contusions. The postilion was so alarmed, that be immediately took to flight. We are very sorry to state that the Countess of Chesterfield has been seriously indisposed for the last ten days. Her malady is the ineazles. INIr. Underwood, who lately d'ed near Paris, was so great an enthusiast in science, that he wished only to live that he might witness the return of Halley's comet ; and would have consented to an excruciatingly painful operation if his sur gical friends could have given him hopes that his life could have been prolonged by it only for a few weeks. At Guildhall, yesterday, a mechanic, named Saun ders, was charged with using violent and threatening language to Mr. Nicholls, a scale-rniker, in Aldcrsgate-street. It ap peared that the prisoner, who was a member of some Trades' Union in that district, had assaulted several men in Mr. Ni choll's employment, because they were " knobsticks," or men who would not quit their work at the desire of the Union. The prisoner swore he would stab complainant, _when he was ordered by him to go away from his door, and cease his disgusting aiid threatening language.— In default of bail he was committed to Nerrgate. WEST INDIA LOAN. JMPERIAL PARLIAMEN T. TREASURY CHAMBERS, JULY 29, 1835. . Proceedimvs at the Preliminary Meeting respecting the Loan for 16,000,000 i. proposed to e under the authority d the Acts 3 and W. IV., cap. 73, for 14 , 3 compensa- to,clwifecS of , . . „ Ihe following gentlemen attended this Meeting Sri anise quence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer's letter to the Governor and Deputy-Governor of the Bank of England of the 25th inst., to hear the terms proposed for the said Loan : —Messrs. Rothschild, Montefiore, Sir J. R. Reid, Irving, Baring, Mildmay, J. L. Goldsmid, Ricardo, Robertson, Hob house, Wood, &c. &c. The Chancellor of the Exchequer observed, that in the ar rangements which had been determined upon by Lord Mel bourne and himself for giving effect to the intentions of Par liament on this subject, it had been their earnest desire to ac complish the object in such a manner as, whilst full justice was done to the persons entitled to compensation, care should also be taken to produce the least disturbance or pressure on the money market, and to avert any inconvenient alterations in the state of the circulation. The measures proposed were -Ist. To contract for a loan of 15,000,0001., and to spread the instalments over a period ending on the 13th of Septem ber, 1836. 2nd. To give to those claimants to whom payment should not be immediately made from money in hand, arising from the instalments, certificates bearing interest, payable to bearer at the Bank of England. These Certificates to be specifically charged upon the instalments of the Loan ; and also receivable at the Bank, as part of the subsequent instalments on which they arc specifically charged. The Chancellor of the Exchequer then stated that it was proposed to give for every 100/. subscribed in money the amount of 75/. Stock 3 per Cent. Consols; 25/. 3 per Cent. Reduced, and to receive the biddings for the further amount in Long Annuities, expiring the sth of January, 1860. The interest on the 3 per Cent. Reduced and Long An nuities to commence from the sth April, 1835. The interest on the 3 per Cent. Consols to commence from the sth July, 1835. An allowance of discount, at 21. per cent. per annum, in the usual manner. No reserve for Public Companies. The days of payment to be as follows : Deposit RIO per cent. £1,500,000 16th October, £lO 13th November, £7i 11th December. £7i 13th January, 1836, £lO 9th February, £9 11th March, £9 12th April, £9 10th May, £6 14th June, £5 750,000 12th July, £8 16th August, £5 13th September, £4 1,350,000 £15,000,000 The biddings to be made on Monday next, at this Office, at 10 e. M. As it was several years since a Public Loan had been con tracted for, the Chancellor of the Exchequer said he thought it right to inform the parties, that, on the morning of the bidding, the usual course would be observed, by his laying on the table, previously to his opening the Tenders, a sealed paper, containing the highest terms that the First Lord of the Treasury and himself would feel they should be justified in ac ceding to ; and that in the event of the Annuity asked for in the several proposals exceeding the amount specified in the sealed paper, it would in such case be opened, and the amount in it declared. With reference to the remaining sum of 5,000,0001. to com plete the West India Grant of 20,000,0001., but which is not raised by the present Loan, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, said it would not be necessary for him to make any arrange ment for raising 3,300,0001. of that sum, in the present session of Parliament, in consequence of the claims from the Mauritius and the Cape not coming into course of payment for a consi derable time ; and in respect to the money for Barbadoes, it stood upon a distinct footing from the rest; the Act for that Colony having been declared by the King in Coun cil to be inadequate and unsatisfactory, powers would there fore be taken in an Act of the present Session to write in the amount of stock in the books of the Bank of England, which would be eventually transferred to the claimants of Barbadoes, but which could not, under any contingency, come upon the market otherwise than gradually, and in proportion as the several claims of the proprietors are affirmed by the ad judication of the Commissioners. WORCESTER CORPORATION. DEFEAT OF THE TORIES. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. MR. EDlTOR—Yesterday the Conservatives in this City and those supporting the existing Corporations were doomed to a defeat to them quite unexpected. During the last week a hand bill made its appearance in this City, evidently issued by the Minions of the Corporation, calling on the Lessees, Mortgagees, and others interested in Corporation property, to meet at the Crown Hotel, to consider the propriety of petitioning the House of Lords against the 90th clause— which provides " that no leases shall be granted for a longer term than thirty-one years, and that the Council shall take no fine for the same, but such clear yearly rent as the Council shall think reasonable." This clause appears to have excited in the minds of the Tories considerable alarm—they conceiv ing, notwithstanding the clear wording of the clause, that it would be imperative in the Town Council on a lease running out to let the property to the highest bidder, without regard to the vested rights of the present possessors, and at the highest rent that could be obtained. The Meeting was held yester day ; and on my entering the room I perceived a due muster of the Body Corporate, all in high glee, hoping to carry their point unanimously. Alas! how vain are the hopes of man ! By and bye in came parties of a different caste, and it was soon visible that the callers of the meeting (whoever they were) would be in a glorious minority. The chair was taken by John Williams, Esq., a renegade from the Liberal ranks, though I must give him the credit to say he discharged his duty most impartially. Mr. J. B. Hyde, a solicitor, and a member of the about to be defunct body, attended with the resolu tions to be proposed, and a petition prepared, but will you believe it, Mr. Editor, they dared not make one single proposition ?—No, not even produce the pe tition they had drawn. In the hand bill calling the meet ing they stated that the Corporation property would be depreciated 50 per cent.—The Meeting, however, not relish ing the parting without any Resolution, at last, greatly to the discomfiture of the Tories, it was moved and second e d, " Th at it was the opinion of the ‘leetine. that property would not b e depreciated as stated by the callers ' of the Meeting, and that therefore it was inexpedient at present to petition the Legis lature." This motion, after considerable sparring, was put from the chair, and carried by a large majority. On this the Mayor, who during the whole of the Meeting had been the only individual who had created the slightest interruption, now got up, and, like a roaring lion, denounced, in the strongest terms the conduct of the Meeting, stating that his only motive was to save his property--adding, " So help me God 1" I ought to state that this individual is a holder of Corporation property, of the value of about 1201. per annum, and on the last renewal, which took place not long since, instead of his fine, be ing accordi n g t o th e t rea t men t me t e d out to other s , 1201., he had only to pay 30/. Well may he dread the cleansing of the Augean stable I ! I am, Sir, Yours, most obediently, A REFORMER. Worcester, July 28th, 1835. ALL SAINTS, ST. CLEMENT, AND ST. JOHN'S REGISTRATION SOCIETY. REFORMERS! THE ELECTIONS ARE ON I Y TO BE GAINED BY A VIGILANT ATTENTION TO THE REGISTRATION OF VOTERS. SEE THAT ALL GOOD VOTES ARE ON THE LIST 1 Every occupier, as owner or tenant of a home, warehouse, counting-house, shop, or other building, separately, or jointly, with land, within the borough, occupied as owner, or as tenant under the same landlord, of the clear yearly value of 101., provided he has occupied the premises for twelve calendar months before the last day of July, and during that time been rated in respect of such pre mises to all rates for the relief of the poor, and paid before the 20th of July, all Poor Rates and Assessed Taxes due before the sixth of April previous, and resides within the borough, or within seven miles thereof, IS A GOOD VOTE ! Joint occupiers. when the yearly value of the premises is of en amount which, when divided by the number of occupiers, gives a sum of not 16ss than 101. for each, provided they have duly occu pied and been rated, and paid the rates and resided within the dis tance as above mentioned, ARE GOOD VOTES! Occupiers of different premises in succession, provided they have complied with the above conditions, VIE SUN, ). 4 01STPON, TIIMISDAY, JULY 30, 1835. ISO US ] • • d'r LORDS, (-,•„, JULY 29. • • •••••• t he _Woolsack at The Vicg-ChAfictumit took his b,..• • five o'clock. Lord S ALTOUN presented a petition from a place in Scotland in 5 'ort of th e Established Church of that country. u l ;,- The gad of RusSLAN presented two petitions to the same effect; The Marquig of HERTFOFiII pre.tentA a petition, from the borough of Ipswich, pitying that the rights and priviicgo of the Burgesses may be preserved. Messages from the House of Commons brought up some private Bills. A messenger from the Commissioners for building Churches brought up an account of their expenses. ARE GOOD VOTES! _ . Every Freeman admitted before the Ist of March, 1831, or since that time, if admitted in respect of birth or servitude, provided they reside within the borough, or within seven miles from the hall, for six calendar months before the last day of July, ARE GOOD VOTES! And if omitted from the lists, claims must be sent in before the 25th of August. REFORMERS ! See that no BAD VOTES arc on the LIST ! ! Occupiers where the value is less than 10/., Occupiers as Tenants of Houses, &c., and Land under dif ferent Landlords, where neither is of the value of 10/., Joint Occupiers, where the value when divided is less than 101., Occupiers for less than I 2 calendar months, before the last day of July, Occupiers not rated, Occupiers who have not paid all Rates and Taxes due on the 6th of April, before the 20th of July, Occupiers not resident within the Borough, or within seven miles thereof, for six calendar months, Occupiers who have received relief at any time within twelve calendar months, seen er not en residentmiles of ftohre Guildhall ad m itt e d s i nce M arc h , 1831, except b y bi r th o r servitude, Freemen sixrdi? Freemen w h o h ave received Parochial relief at any ti m e within twelv e months, a n i t i l:s within the Borough , or within • And must be objected to before the 25th of August. All necessary Forms may be had, and Information obtains' application to the Secretary, Mr. F. T. Elgie, 4S, Broad-st Worcester. d on reet; On Sunday l ast t h e R anters o f N ewcas tle and the neighbourhood, that town. beld A-c§nli meeting . on the Town Moor, near EDUCATION. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from R. Owen, of Lanark, complaining of the prevalence of vice and ignorance amongst the juvenile population, and praying the Legislature to take effective means to check it, also offering his services in such an undertaking. Lord Brougham made some complimen tary remarks upon the efforts of Mr. Owen in the cause of edu cation. _ _ The Bishop of H EREFORD presented a petition from a parish in the county of Brecon against the present law re specting beer-shops. Tie Marquis of CAMDEN presented a petition from the borough of Breaknock against the Corporation Reform Bill. Also a petition from the owners and occupiers of land in Dor set, complaining of agricultural distress. The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, JULY 29. The SPEAKER took the Chair at 4 o'clock. Papers were presented from the Post-office. On the, motion of Mr. PARKER, the Lords' amendmen' on the Sheffield Gas Bill were agreed to. LIGHT-HOUSES. Mr. TOOKE presented a petition from mortgagees of 9,0001, upon the Spurnhead Point Lighthouses, complaining of the Bill of Mr. Hume upon the subject, which they said most grossly interfered with the rights of private property. He agreed with the petitioners, and as he would have an opportu nity of saying what he thought upon the second reading of the Bill, which stood fur that night, he would not say more than that in his opinion there never was a Bill, either public or private, which so grossly interfered with private property. Mr. HUME said every word which had fallen from his Hon. Friend was erroneous, because it was the most ardent wish of the Committee, as well as of himself, that all private rights, should be respected. The Trinity House were merely made trustees of the lighthouses for the benefit of the public, and they were by the Bill empowered to make a private bar gain with the persons interested ; and if that was impossible, then to go before a Jury, for the purpose of settling the dif ferences. Therefore he did not see that the Bill deserved the character given it by his Honourable Friend, and he did not see that it was fair to prejudice a Bill in such a way before the second reading, especially as if the Committee or himself had not respected private rights in a proper manner, that defect might be remedied in the Com mittee. Sir C. BURRELL thought the Member for Middlesex had been as harsh upon the owners of the lighthouses, and therefore be had not now any reason to complain. ... Mr. C. FE RG US SON said it was impo'ssible for any per son to have attended to the debates which had taken place in this House without being sensible that not a single Member of this House was unprepared to respect all private rights, or that was disposed to a private injus tice, however desirous of promoting the public good.— ( Hear, hear.) It was clear that the public suffered to an enormous extent by these private establishments, and he thought they ought to be done away with.—( Hear, hear.) He would not now go into the question, but as it was one of great importance, he hoped that the Bill would meet with no opposition.—( Hear.) The SPEAKER here rose to order, and said that this was an irregular discussion. This was not a time for going into the merits of the question on the presentation of pe titions.—( Hear.) Lord SANDON had received a note that morning from an official person, expressing great anxiety upon the subject, and he wished to know when the Bill would be introduced ? Mr. HUME replied that he would endeavour to make ar rangements by to-morrow.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. TOOKE explained that the petitioners were fully ac quainted with the nature of the Bill, which would have the effect of constituting a Corporation. Mr. WILK S said that representing as he did one of the ports in the East of England, he was happy to say that his con stituents felt very much obliged to the Hon. Member for in troducing the Bill. COMPOSITION OF IRISH TITHES. Mr. CALLAGHAN presented a petition from Castle Island, and two from other parishes in the county of Cork, corn plaining of the present composition for tithes in those pariihes. POOR LAWS IN IRELAND. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from Benjamin Wells, Esq., of Camberwell, in the county of Surrey, praying the House to give a system of Poor Laws to Ireland, to which the petitioner contended every county separated from barbarism was entitled. Also a petition from the inhabitants of the parish of Arles, Queen's County, to the same effect, the petitioners considering that it would be their best protection against their landlords, who were in the habit of compelling them to vote contrary to their consciences. He (Mr. C.) would not tres pass further upon the House than to say that the petitions met his fullest concurrence. STEAM NAVIGATION. Lord SANDON presented a petition from the pilots of Liverpool against the Bill for exempting steam vessels from pilotage dues. IRISH TITHES. An. HoN. MEMBER,whose name was unknown in the gal lery, presented a petition from the county of Meath, com plaining o( the present composition of tithes. NEWSPAPER STAMPS. Mr. BISH presented a petition from the borough of Leo minste;, praying for the repeal of the stamp duties on news papers. He hoped that when the Chancellor of the Exchequer brought forward his budget this subject would be taken into consideration. TIMBER DUTIES. The LORD ADVOCATE presented a petition from cer tain shipowners of Leith against any alteration in the timber duties ; also a petition from other shipowners of the same place in favour of the alteration. The Hon. and Learned Member also presented a petition in favour of the Royal Burghs Abolition Bill, and said that it was not intended to bring in the Bill this Session. The same HON. Mammal presented a petition from Leith, against any grant to the Church of Scotland ; also a petition from the owners of warehouses, against any alteration in the law respecting bonded warehouses—also a peti t;on from the Commissioners of the Dock Commission, praying for an enquiry into the same laws. Also, a petition from the bakers of Leith against the introduction of the tread mill into Scotland, and especially against its being allowed to work on the Sabbath, and a petition from the schoolmasters of Argylo praying for an increase of salary. FACTORY BILL. Mr. W. DUNCOMBE presented several petitions from Huddersfield and other places in Yorkshire and Lancashire, ,n favour of the tenhours'Factory CHURCH OF IRELAND. Mr. F. SHAW presented a petition from the Fellows and Scholars of Trinity College, Dublin, against the Irish Church Bill, and expressing their apprehensions that if passed it would lead to the extirpation of the Protestant religion in Ireland ; also petitions to the same effect from Tullamore, Donegal, Clonarthy, the parishes of St. Andeon, St. Anne, and St. Catharine, Dublin. The petitions deprecated the Bill that was brought in by his Majesty's Ministers, and prayed that it might not pass into law. Dr. BALDWIN thought he knew the people of Ireland as well as the Hon. and Learned Member, and he would tell him, that if the preservation of the Protestant Church depended upon titles or revenues levied in lieu of them, it would not last long. Mr. SHAW thought that the Protestants of Ireland who had entrusted the petition to him would be as likely to take his opinion as they would that of the Hon. Member opposite, as to what measures should or should not be adopted for the interest of Ireland.—( Hear.) On the part of the clergy of Ireland, he begged to say that no persons were more anxious than they were, that a liberal settlement of the tithe question should take place, but they deprecated mixing up in .that settlement matters which would put the best interests of the Church of Ireland in jeopardy. Dr. BALDWIN had not presumed to advise the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman, but he had told him before, and he now re p ea t e d it, th a t the only principle of the mea sure that was likely to do good for Ireland, was that to which he and his party objected. Mr. RUTHVEN denied that the petitioners represented the sentiments of the people of Ireland. Captain GORDON presented a petition from the ship owners of Aberdeen against any alteration in the timber duties. Major MAC NA MARA presented a petition from the Grand Jury of the county of Clare, praying for an enquiry into the Fisheries : also a petition from the same place, praying for the discontinuance of the drawback on Soap. IPSWICH ELECTION. _ Mr. FRESHFIELD moved the Order of the Day for re suming the adjourned debate upon the motion that Mr. Clip perton be called to the Bar and discharged. No Hon. Member having risen to address the House, The SPEAKER pit the question that Mr. Clipperton be called to the bar and discharged. Mr. POTTER objected to the discussion upon public busi ness being commenced so early as twenty minutes before five. Public business was never commenced so soon.—(Order.) Tbc SPEAKER said the pleasure of the House would decide as to when public business should commence. 'The only regulation was, that he (the Speaker) should not allow petitions to be beard after five o'clock.—( Hear, hear.) Lord MORPETH said if it was the pleasure of the House to go into public business, he should move the Order of the Day fur going into. Committee on the. Irish Church Bill. Colonel WOOD said the question as to the discharge of Clipperton had been already put and carried.—(Cries of " Question," and " Divide.") Mr. RUTHVEN would not have risen if the public busi ness had not commenced so much earlier than usual.— ( Cries of " Divide" and " Question.") He complained that the House had been taken by surprise, and that an attempt was made to discharge this individual by a short cut. There were still petitions to be presented, and other matters pending, as important as this Clipperton's affair. The privileges of that House did not adroit of its inflicting any heavy punishment—nor could it impose one half so severe a punishment as the public pickpocket would receive for stealing a handkerchief.—(A laugh.) It was a tatter of history that an Hon. Member, one of a Noble Scot c h f am ily, h a d su ff e r e d an equal punishment, because he had refused t o s ubmit to the degradation of going upon hisknees, and asking pardon of that House. The fact was, that this individual should be struck off the roll of attorneys, and he (Mr. R.) was sorry to find an Hon. delicacy should have suggested its being :;;;,ether of the same profession volunteering to bring forward this que5...7.;- ' with the . Hon. Member for the smaller offender left in other hands. :4-lear, hear.) Southwark, in not being disposes 1.7 ;‘" ";14 when the greater ones were allowed to escape.— If t h ere ere no receivers of stolen goods, there would tst4 feivef off e wl e rg ; e ad if there were no persons to bribe, or no persons who With professiena; tact, manceuvring, and dexterity, could shelter themselves from the coni:Nuences of their offences, there would be less corruption in the represe,:tation of the people. Was it proper in that House for persons to gel: up a . nd . take advantage of the temporary absence of seine Members of that House, who took more interes: to the question than he did—as if that because there were a few , moments pause.in the proceedings of the House it was to be taken advantage of for such a purpose as this. If lie was to be brought up to the Bar and be discharged with a reprimand, as others had been, then where was he most likely to go to ? Why, to Ipswich, where there was no doubt he would be received as others had been, as a trium phant victim—(Laughter)—of a course which had escaped condign punishment.—( Laughter.) If such a party were to be passed over lightly, it would neither be for the benefit of the House, or of the pure principles of Reform Election. Was he to be dealt with more lightly, merely because some parties in that House called him a gentleman ; but was that any reason why he should be treated better than the guard of a coach. Was it possible that the Judges—was it possible that there were persons on the sacred bench of justice who could allow such parties to practise in their Courts either as barristers or attorneys ? He hoped there were not, and that the House would not agree to tlie motion. Major BEAUC LE RK differed from his Hon. Friend (Mr. Ruthven) on this subject. It should be recollected, that this individual was not the chief culprit. Mr. POTTER objected to the discharge of this man. He had refused to answer several questions that were put to him. —(Hear.) He recollected the case of a woman who had de clined to answer some questions before doe Liverpool . Election Committee, on the ground that she was afraid that on her return she would be ill-treated. Yet this unfort:.!nat: woman was compelled to answer the questions put tct her at the risk of having her domestic peace invaded, tind surely this individual ought also to answer such questioi:s as had been put to him. It was proved that it was at this man's house the escape of Pilgrim was arranged, and that it was from thence that money was sent to Pilgrinr to de fray his expenses. The Gallery was then cleared for a division. when there appeared— For the motion Against it .. Majority —22 On our admission into the Gallery, we found Mr. WA SON accounting for his absence during the debate by stating that he understood it was not to take place place till five o'clock. He likewise believed that the Hon. Member for Middlesex, who was then absent, was in a similar situation. WEIGHTS. Mr. E ST C 0 URT wished to know from the Noble Lord, the Member for Devonshire, what course he intended to pursue on Tuesday next with the Weights and Measures Bill ; whether he intended to persevere in the insertion of the stamping clause or not ? _ _ _ Lord EBRINGTON said, that it was most certainly his intention to persevere in the introduction of the stamping clause. IPSWICH ELECTION. Mr. WA SON moved that Thomas Moore Keith should be taken into the custody of the Sergeant-at-Arms. Lord STORMONT opposed the motion. Mr. HUME complained that he had not yet seen the evidence, and therefore would come to no decision on the subject ; he hoped the motion would be postponed until to-morrow, for the purpose of giving Hon. Members an op portunity of seeing the evidence. The SPEAKER made a few observations upon the impolicy of Members making motions of this nature, when the evidence was not before the House. The question was then put and agreed to, that the further consideration of the subject be postponed untii 0-morrow. BRITISH MUSEUM. Mr. ESTCOURT begged to ask the Noble Lord oppo site (the Secretary of State for the Foreign Depart ment) a question relative to the literary institutions of forei g n countries. The labours of the Committee upon the British Museum, of which he (Mr. Estcourt) had the honour to be Chairman, were drawing to a close, and it was important for them to know whether the Noble Lord had received answers to the communications made to the various Foreign Literary Institutions ? Lord PALMERSTON said that some Returns had been already made ; and if the Hon. Member would point out anv others to which communications should be addressed, he (Lora P.) should feel pleasure in doing so. - - PROCLAMATION OF DON CARLOS. Captain BOLDE RO begged to ask whether his Majesty's Government had received any information of the shooting of 3 seamen by order of Don Carlos, in virtue of his decree of the 28th of August. He wished to know whether these men were armed or unarmed ? It was important that the fact should be known because different opinions existed as to whether the convention of Lord Eliot was extended to foreigners, and if so whether his Majesty's Government considered the procla mation of Don Carlos was legal or not. Lord PAL 111 ER STON said the only information his Ma jesty's Government had received was a letter from the officer commanding the Ringdove. The letter stated that three Eng lish seamen belonging to the steamer Reyna d'Espagnola, who were stranded near Bilboa, were taken prisoners, and one of them, who made the greatest resistance, was instantly shot. The other two were taken to a village called San Miguel, about a league and a half up the country, and were immediately shot.—( Hear.) The letter further stated that this had been done in consequence of the procla mation of Don Carlos, that the life of no foreigner taken in arms should be spared. This was the only information his Majesty's Government had received on the subject. These unfortunate men were not Marines in the King's service. They were persons engaged in this country to act as Marine:. in the service of the Queen of Spain. That steam - vessel had acted in defence of the town of Bilboa, and three men who formed part of her crew were surprised, having strolled out of the town.—( Hear, hear.) Lord MAHON rose, and exclaimed with great vehemence, " Here then, Sir, is one of the first fruits."—(The Noble Lord was here interrupted by loud cries of " Order" from all sides of the House.) He understood the Order of the Day had been moved, but if the House did not choose to hoar him he would not interfere. IRISH CHURCH BILL. Lord MORPETH moved the Order for going into Com mittee upon the Irish Church Bill. Mr. GOULBOITIIN and Mr. BARReN presented petitions upon the subject, but from the noise in the House it was im possible to catch the names of the places. The SPEAtiER having left the Chair, Mr. BERNAL sat as Chairman of the Committee. Mr. GOU ',BURN wished to know on what Bill they were in Committee ?—(Laugl,,er.) Lord AlO RPET H said on the Irish Church Bill. Clauses 58, 59, 60, 61, and ~4 2 were agreed to without comment. On clause 63 beim; put, Mr. HUME wished to know how the Clergy were o b. paid in the reduced parishes—whether they were to be paid to. the number of Protestants above 50, or in what way ? Lord MORPETH said they were to be paid according to the services performed. Clauses from 64 to 83 inclusive were then agreed to without comment. On clause 84 being put, Mr. S. O'BRIEN suggested that the annual Report should be made to that House instead of to the Lord-Lieutenant. The amendment was agreed to, and the clause, together with the clauses to 90 inclusive, were ordered to stand part of the Bill. --- Clauses 90 to 100 were agreed to. On clause 101 being proposed, some conversation was car ried on in a low tone ,between Messrs. Roche, Shaw, and Walker. Mr. SHAW asked some question of. the latter gentleman, which we believe was, how he described himself in the return to the Commissioners of Public Instruction?—upon which Dr. LUSHINGTON rose and said it is utttcrly an unparliamentary question, and contrary to every principle of justice—this is the first time in my Parliamentary career, that I ever heard one Parliamentary Member rise up in his place, and take upon himself to question the religious tenets of another, and require him to statti to the House whether he entertained one religious opinion or another ?—( Loud cries of " Hear, bear.") I tell the Right lion. gentleman that this House will not endure such inquisitoriai practices— ( Cheers), and I tell him further, that the Hon. Membei* whom he thus addresses will best discharge his duty to this House and to the public, by treating his inquiry with that contempt which it deserves.----( Loud cheers.) Mr. SHAW did not inquire into the religious belief of the Hon. Member opposite ; he believed him to be a member of the Established Church, and to have received the sacrament shortly before the Return was made. What lie had asked was ' how he had returned himself to the Commissioners? The Hon. and Learned Member who had spoken last had requested the Hon. Member to treat his question with contempt--that was just the way he should treat his lecture.—( Great cheering.) Mr. HUME wished to know whether in the words that he had applied the other evening to all those who were favourable to the Bill, he intended to include all the Members who sat on that side of the House be had the honour to occupy. Mr. SHAW observed that what he had stated the other evening bad been most incorrectly sent forth to the world.—( Hear, hear, hear.) He had not said that all those who were opposed. to him were infidels—what he had said was, that all that was infidel in religion would naturally join the other party.—( Cheers.) Mr. HUME would be glad to know who the Hon. Mem ber meant ? Did he allude to the Opposition in that House ? Mr. SHAW--I said no such thing. Mr. HUME—Whoever the Hon. Member meant, his ob servation was not very liberal or Christian-like.—( Hear.) He wished the Hon. Member would be more explicit. He ( Mr. H.) was one of the movement party, and he should be glad to know what infidel assistance he received.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Member ought either to retract his observation or substantiate it. If not he should retract it.—(No, and Hear.) As a man of hOnour he Was bound to substantiate his words.— (Cries of " Order," " Chair," and much confusion.) The CH AIRMAN observed that it was extremely injtt dicious in Hon. Members to interrupt the business by pro- longing the discussion. They were novel. at the preamble of the - Bill. t Mr. HUME—As another opportunity would be afforded bins on the presentation of a petition, he would not persevere. ' Th. Hon. Member added, pointing across the House—" It "began ‘4l S . O'BRIEN, as a Protestant interested in the welfare of the f.-Burch, would say that if this Bill was thrown out in the other 1..1,:u45°) the Protestant Church in Ireland H would not survive three ye 7 ". up his additional The House then resumed. On the motion of Lord MOR:I_ET the Bill was re- committed. The Noble Lord brough clauses respecting the payment of the money 'out of the Conso lidated Fund. He would then merely put clauses in • the possession of the House. and reserve the Q .4eussion of them till after they had had time to consider them. Mr. HUME supposed the people of England would .not be called upon to pay for the support of the Irish Church without so oe hope being held out for their repayment. If he was int he might say, "if you will have such a Church pay for it. ".—(Loud cheers.) Before the resolution for the loan of a milliOn that Church was agreed to, some hope had been held out for its r: payment, now there was none.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") Sui sly the Commons of England at this time of day will not agree that the support of that Church, which was one of the greatest alatiles in the country, was to be supported out of the pockets of !he people of England. He hoped his Majesty's Government wetld give some security for the repayment of this money. Lord MORPET LI was understood to say that it would be secured by a rent charged from the money aces :ling under the provisions of the Bill. Mr. CH ARLES BA RCL AY was not at all surprised that this proposition should be made. Had Ministers prnposed, by a separate measure, a grant of 50,000/. a year for the purpose of promoting general education in Ireland, they would have had his vote, as they had for the vote of 35,000/., the other night, for a similar purpose. He would willingly grant 100,000/. a year for such an object ; but be could not allow these resolutions to pass without protesting against the prin ciple of the Bill altogether. The clause was then agreed to. Mr. D. W. HARVEY had given notice to move the inser tion of a proviso, but he had since altered the terms of it ; he hoped, however, that he should not be precluded on that ac count from bringing it forward. The proviso be intended to move was, " that in every case where arrears of tithe for all or any of the years 1831, 1832, 1833, and 1834, remained due, t h,,:e should be added to the rent-charge, proposed to be raised on n o land from which those arrears were due, a further per manent r.-nt-charge, at the rate of 4 per cent. on the amount of the money advanced with respect to such arrears of tithe due from such lands ; the produce of such additional rent charge to be payable to the consolidated fund , in order to pro vide for the ad di t ional mone y that may be advanced, or be necessary to be , advanced, to the owners of such tithes in arrear." LOR of the EXCHEQUER said that now to pass, the Hon. and Learned The CHANCEL precluded from bringing forward by allowing the resolutNlS . Gentleman would not be his motion hereafter. that the Hon. and Learned day for the discussion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL ,ho., it would be necessary, in order to avoid any inconvenien‘le, Gentleman should name a certain * his proposed amendment. Mr. D. W. HARVEY would name. Friday next for that purpose. Mr. HUME said the Act of last session cuthorised a mil lion of money to be paid by certain instalmeNs to the Irish clergy, on account of the' arrears of tithes due id them. A number of individuals, lay and clerical, had availed themselves of that Act, and had received upwards of 600,000/., in part payment of arrears due to them. He wished to know if this • money was to be repaid ; and if not, who were to be the gainers by the advances? Were the tenants to profit by it, or whom ? Were those who had already paid their tithes to receive back their money ; or were they who had obeyed the law to be in a worse situation than those who had. disobeyed it? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was un derstood to say that a very small sum only had been paid by the tenants on account of the arrears; but of course those who had paid could have no claim to have their money refunded, as it was only the payment of a debt justly due from them. Mr. HUME—The consequence then was, that those who had complied with the law, were in a worse situation than those who had not. After a desultory conversation, in which several Members took part, but which was wholly unintelligible in the gallery, Mr. O'LOL - GHL AN explained that the claims of the clergy had all been properly examined, under direction of the Lord- Lieutenant. Mr. FRENCH thought the Hon. Member for Middlesex was quite right in his view of the question ; for his own part, he did not object to the money , being disbursed for the benefit of Ireland, but if they did give a bonus to that country it ought to be equally divided. POTTER said he was one of those who had objected to the grant of one million of the public money for arrears of tithe in 1833 ; he voted against the measure in all its stages, frost; a conviction that it would never be repaid, and the reso lution before the -House was confirmatory of the opinion he formerly entertained. It was true the Hoe, and Learned Member, the Recorder of Dublin, warned the Rouse, that if the repayment was expected it would be deceived. In ascer taining the perties who were in arrear for the payment of tithe the greatest irregularity prevailed ; he would just men tion one instance— the Hon. Member for Armagh was posted up, and returned as it defaulter to the great astonishment and indignation of that hon. Gentleman, for he had always paid his tithe regularly, and was ready to have paid the sum when called for. This was tie way the funds of the country were thrown away. One of the resolutions before the House renders the consolidated fund lie,* to the payment of Irish tithe. On behalf of those who had sent him to the House, he would protest against the possible conOlngency of the funds of the United Kingdom being applied to th,s support of the Irish clergy ; as a Dissenter, he also objected to such an %pro priation, and though most anxious to support the present Mi nisters, he would not, consistently with his duty, sanction the public money being so appropriated. Mr. D. BROWNE said that the sum of one million, and 168,0001. a year, ought not to have been thrown away, after being taken out of the pockets of the people of England. It had, however, been thrown away to consult their prejudices. Now he would have no objection to repay the whole of that money, and to give up the 30 per cent. of tithe, if the p e ople of England. would in their turn resign their preju dice.= on the subject of the Church of Ireland. Indeed, the people of Ireland would themselves be willing in that case to repay the million and give up the 30 per cent, ; their ob jection being:, not to the amount of the tithe, but to its appro priation. Mr. se sipe bo , gged to ask, if the Bill were to be rejected in another place, Telot was the use of any compromise at all? ( Hear, hear.) liaL y measures would never do. What had they gained Ly them ? Lost a million of money, and they were now as far from -the settlement of the question as ever. He would be content to throw any sum of money, with a fair or reasonable cospect of securing the peace of Ireland. lie could save . it Otit of the military establish ments in one year.—( Hear, hear.) If there were no such prospect, where was the use of 'flakie s t; the sacrifice? The question would be brought forward again, however, and they would have another opportunity of expressing their opinion upon it. "In the meantime" (continued Hen. Mem ber) " In the meantime let his Majesty's Ministers make up their minds, and determine on the course they will be called upon to pursue. Let them not fear that this measure will not be passed in the Lords. Let me recommend them to make the Bill perfect ; let them send it up in that shape to the Lords, and let them throw it out if they dare.—(Great cheering.) If, as the house was told the other night by 0, 0 Noble Lord the Member for Lancashire (Lord Stanley) thee' mere really determined to throw out the Bill, let the Minisfees do their duty, and let the people of this country speak eat- 4 - Cheers)—acid then let us see whether the Commons will 'sear this misrule, or whether the peace and welfare of t h e' enirs:;re shall be consulted.—( Renewed cheer ing.) If any sn s asto ses shall be adopted by the House of Lords to secure the loss of the Bill by delay, let his Ma, jesty's Ministers come to this w determination—pass all our Bills, adjourn the House , ond call it together hen the Lords have made up their minds; 'out at no event, and under no cir cumstances, let them adjourn th is House while measures are taking to defeat either this measure or the Municipal Corpo rations Bill. The people of Englasol are determined to have them both.—( Loud cheers.) And backed as his Majesty's Ministers are by a majority in this Hous,s—and I am persuaded lnotwithstanding all that has been said to t he contrar y ) b y a arge majority out of the House, they will ise deserting their duty to the people if they hesitate for one instant in the main tenance of those Reforms which the country has a right to demand.—( Cheers.) I therefore do hope and trust that Ministers will act like men, and that they will not be fright ' cned by shadows."—( Loud cheers.) Mr. FINCH said that the Hon. Member for Middlesex had confounded two questions, which were in themselves entirely separate and distinct—he meant the Irish Tithe Bill and the Municipal Corporations Bill.—( Oh, oh.) Ha. denied that the reople of England were prepared to go the lengths stated by the Hon. Gentleman. He thought he would fiud, when the forthecorning appeal was made to the people , that the constitu encv of Nicidlcses would very unequivocally express their dis sent from tho opinions he had expressed.. s After a few w s ".rds from Mr. HOWARD, which were not heard— Mr. 11 M E said his .`4''2anin was, that if all the salutary g reforms which the country Lad it right to expect as the result of the reform in that House wer'SS to reou diated and thrown out elsewhere; and if the public motley were .t.O be squandered away, and the peace of the country disturbed b;' them, with out the slightest regard to the dictates of reason, lustier, or common sense, it would be for the people of England to de termine for what purposes the privileges of either House were granted.—( Cheers.) It would be for them to consider and to act. How far the lion. Gentleman who spoke after him might be correct, in his estimate of the opinions of the people, Ito would not stay to inquire. Ile would on:s say that his belief was very different from the impression pr'odceed on the mind of the ikon. Member. " With regard to my .constituents," continued the Hon. Member, "if the constituency es! Middle.. sex disapt rove of the principles I now avow, or have cal.:Tessa heretofore, all I can say is, that they will do very wrong if they do not turn me out the very next time they have► an op.. portuuity.—( Loud cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman talks with great solemnity of an appeal being made. Very well, the sooner it is made the better. I have not the least objection to its being made, I can assure him , tho u g h he ma y p o S sibl t Fee collect that the last appeal made by his friends to the voice of the people of England was-attended with a very different re-i -sult from that which they anticipated.--( Loud , cheers,),- If the Hon. Gentleman alludes to a similar appeatzd he adverts to a forthcoming reneral-electicn—l hope:the peep% honla ,