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LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF EXCHEQUER, May 1. (Sittings in Banco.) EICHA aIDS V. LORD SUFFIELD—DEMURRERS PAPER. Thi 3 was an action for work and labour, to which the clt;fendant pleaded, amongst other things, that the se rvicies for the value of which the action was brought were rendered to him by the plaintiff in the character of an attorney, and that at the time such services were so rendered the plaintiff was n o t cer tifi ca t e d. T o this plea there was a special demurrer. Mr. Temple was heard in support of the demurrer, and Mr. Hurlstone on the other side. At the, commencement of the argument, the Court called on the latter gentleman to support his pleas, there being a strong apparent inclination to decide against them, and after a lengthened argument, which occupied the Court until its usual hour for rising, The COURT intimated that the argument of the Learned Counsel for the defendant had succeeded in throwing doubts on a point which seemed at first to be perfectly free from any doubt, and that time was required to consider the sufficiency of the pleas. Judgment deferred accordingly. THE QUEEN V. MICHAEL STOKES. XTRDEIS. OF ANN GARRAD AT LEEDS BARRACKS. On Saturday last, the point reserved for the con sideration of the fifteen judges by Mr. Baron Rolfe, at the last Yorkshire assizes, was argued by Mr. Dearsle!y, the prisoner's counsel. The indictment alleged. that the prisoner, Michael Stokes, " shot, dis charged, and set forth" a certain musket, and then went on to allege that with the ball so shot, dis charged, and sent forth, the prisoner caused the death. It was contended that these allegations were bad for uncertainty and repugnancy, for that though the words "to shoot and discharge" a musket would mean to fire off a musket, the words " shoot, dis charge, and send forth" a musket must he taken to mean that the musket itself was sent forth as a missile, the words shoot and discharge being controlled by the words sent forth. It was laid down in " Hawkins's Pleas of the Crown" (title Appeal, p. 261) that an argumentative certainty was not sufficient in an in dictment, and that a precise certainty was always required in favorem vita. Mr. Dearsley cited other authorities, contending that the words " sent forth" could not be rejected as surplusage. The Judges took time to consider, and yesterday (Monday) intimated to the prisoner's counsel that in their opinion the conviction was good, and the cause of death was stated with sufficient certainty , the words " sent forth" being rejected as surplusage. BRISTOL COUNTY COURT, April 29. (Before ARTHUR PALMER, jun., Esq., Judge.) At the sitting of the court for the hearing of in solvency cases, Mr. Ayre, an attorney, addressed his Honour and said that he was engaged in the first case, and he wished to know whether it was the intention of the Court to adhere to a rule which had been laid down, that when a sufficient bar was present, an attorney could not be heard as an advocate for an insolvent ? and he added that an article upon the subject appeared in the last number of one of the Bristol papers, to which he would call his Honour's attention. The paper in question was then handed up to the Judge ; the article in which alleged as a motive for the rule for giving counsel the right of pre-audience, that it " would appear to be established solely to in crease the loss of the unfortunate creditors, and to put a few fees into the pockets of the local bar ;" and with reference to the distinction as to the rule between the practice in actions for the recovery of debts, and the practice under the Insolvent Debtors Acts, the article went on to say, " Surely one is driven to the conclusion that caprice alone could have established such a state of things in one and the same court." There were at this time four barristers present in the court. His HONOUR then delivered his judgment on the matter, and said it was his intention to adhere to the practice of giving to counsel the right of pre-audi ence in insolvency cases, and he would now state the grounds on which that practice was founded. By the statute of the 10th and 1 Ith Victoria, the jurisdiction of the Court for the Relief of Insolvent Debtors on circuit, under the Ist and 2d Victoria, was trans ferred to the County Courts ; consequently, at the hearing, those courts did that which was previously done by the Commissioners of the Insolvent Debtors' C eurt on circuit. Now, on circuit, before the Com missioner, it was the invariable practice to give to, counsel this privilege of audience. In cases, there fore, under the statute of the Ist and 2d of Victoria,l he considered the practice to have been established during the time when the Commissidhers made their circuits, and no attorney could practiseftn the Insol vent Debtors' Court unless admitted by that court, without being guilty of a contempt of court, and lia ble to be fined and imprisoned ; he believed there were but three attorneys in Bristol who were so admitted Then, with respect to the insolvency jurisdiction under the statutes of the sth and 6th and 7th and and Bth of Victoria, which jurisdiction was ad ministered by the Bankruptcy Courts, this jurisdiction in cases in which the insolvent had resided for a specified period within a certain distance of the Post-office in London, was, by the statute of the 10th and 11th of her present Majesty, transferred to the Insolvent ,Debtors Court in London, and such juris diction' in all other cases was transferred to the County Courts ; and then arose the question, what should be the practice with respect to the point now under consideration ? And in the case of Newburn (a protection case), heard on the 19th of October last, in the Insolvent Debtors' Court in London, reported in the 10th volume of the Law Times, p. 68, it was held that the rule theretofore recognized, giving privilege of audience to counsel under the Ist and 2d of Victoria, should be extended to cases under the sth and 6th and 7th and Bth of Victoria; and in that case Mr. Commissioner Harris observed thae, " There were present four or five gentleman forming the bar of that court. In the face of that bar of qualified practitioners an attorney could not 4 , heard as an advocate. He laid that rule down as the deliberate opinion of the whole Court. He for one would not break through the established practice of thr court in that respect for five-and-twenty years. If any persons objected to the determination of the Court to persevere in this practice, under the sta tutes now transferred to that jurisdiction, they could easily set them right, if they thought themselves agrieved, by mandamus." Mr. Lewis (the attorney in that case) then intimating that "he had been un expectedly d e p r i ve d o f t h e ass i stance o f counse l w h o had been regularly instructed, and hoping that tinder the eircumstenees he might be permitted to point oat, not in the capici'y of an advocate, but merely for the information of the Court, several irregularities appa rent upon the face of the petition," Mr. Commis sioner Harris said, " Oh, certainly. He only wished, in the very first cas e that occurred, to intimate the resolution to which th e C ourt had unanimously , con*, which was the more n ecessary, as the p r o a i c i t it ic h e ad h been much discussed ; from the contrary prevailed in the courts at Basinghelli2street." hating by the County Courts Act of the 9 t h an d 10th of her present Majesty, it was directed that in cases not expressly provided for, the general principles b Of the practice of the superior courts mightadopted and applied, at the discretion of the judges, to actions and proceedings in their several courts; and by analogy, it had appeared to him to be a proper exercise of discretion, in matters of' practice in insolvency, to adopt and apply the practice of the Insolvent D ebtors Court in London to the proceedings of insolvency in this ere Court and if all County Courts did the same, th would, , as far as circumstances would permit, he o ne uniform practice throughout the kingdom, which seemed.etonito, he desirable! and as to the poin t under consideration, had shown that he had adopted the practiee of the Insolvent Debtors Court in London. In matters 'of insolvency attorneys were not entitled, de jure, t o plead as advocates, to the exclu sion of counse l. I t appeared that the Legislature did not mean they , should have any such right ; for if it had been so meant, it would have been expressly p rovid-d, as ;it was in bankruptcy by the Ist and 2d of Wm. IV., c. 56 , s. 10, which enacted, that attorneys enrolled in the Court of Bankruptcy might appaar and plead , arid in expr ess wor d s , " without being required to e Pi°Y counsel." H e h a d now given the grounds upon ` f which he had acted in this matter; and he trusted it would b otherwise might b e seen, that however sound or formed, he ha d n ot be the opinion which he had which he was sorry acted from the motive or caprice him. Like all ot r h y e should have been attributed to he should always be g la d me n he was liable to error, and correcting any errorginatoto h iave an opportunity of ich . he might fall in the performance of his judicial w d but he must say that it was improper to c onclu ti d t e les h ; at:su c h " a motive " practice of a court or " caprice,' had established the t o f justice. There was a legitimat i r rn t eondde considera t ion of b r i ngi bringing before all courts any point for the reconsideration, and it must have a minds to bring courts, and consequently tendenc y in Borne tration of justice, into disrepute, when s uch e adminis a motive or caprice was attributed to judges as the source of their judicial conduct. Mr. GRAVES, a barrister, then rose, and exp re ssed his concurrence in t he View taken by the Learn e Judge, and in the able manner in which the grounds of the practice had been explained by him. Mr. SToNE, barrister, also rose and said, that the editor seemed to have overlooked the power of ini• E. prisonment for three years, which required the *attendance of a bar ; and that the editor was error when he stated the general practice of other Courts —the fact being otherwise. The Learned yiai Counsel then mentioned the names of several Courts , distinguishing . betwe e n those in large towns, which 4rad, and those in country places, which h a d not , a ''X\r-AV*r 1 0Z1Mr. A TRE, the attorney, also expressed his full vincurrence in the practice laid down. His Hostors then said he was glad to find that his THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 2, lB4B. explanation was satisfactory to Mr. Ayre, and he trusted that it would be so to all those who had a legitimate interest in the matter ; he feared, however, there might be some whom he could not satisfy ; and he must say that, although no man could more highly than himself value the liberty of the press as essen tial to the freedom of the constitution, or be more anxious to protect it from being in the slightest de gree violated or infringed, yet its purity constituted its greatest strength, and an editor should be extremely cautious how he employed it in a manner calculated to bring the administration of the law in any Court into disrepute or contempt, as by attributing to judges unworthy motives or caprice in the exercise of their judicial functions. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. GUILDHALL. Three young lads, named George Hay, James Taylor, and George 11PDonald were brought up before Alderman Finnis, on the charge of being in Guildhall-buildings with intent to commit a felony. From the evidence it appeared that police-constable Elgar, No. 48, observed two of the prisoners, about twenty minutes past two o'clock in the afternoon of Sunday, busily engaged in removing some lead which fastened the grating in one of the areas of the Bankruptcy Court, while the third one was on the watch. Had they succeeded in their work they would have been enabled to raise the grating and get into the basement of the building, when they would have had the full range of the premises, and could remove whatever property they had a fancy for. Alderman FINN'S said that he had no doubt they were connected with a gang of experienced thieves, whose object as evident, and he should therefor e w send them all to W pr E is s on n f vm orth s re T e E m ß. onths. Mr. Broderip was occupied for some hours in dis posing of a case of affiliation, in which Mr. Edward Hacker, of No. 1, Morton-villas, Kentish-town, was alleged to be the father of a bastard child, to which Isabella Shaw, a well-dressed woman, apparently about 25 years of age, had given birth. Mr. E. P. Price, barrister, appeared on behalf of the complainant; and Mr. Ballantine, barrister, for the a defendant. proved having briefly o p ene d hi s case, as after in eviden ce , ca ll e d t h e complainant, who, wl vr. Price o d v a e n d t. i n sworn ies h sa y the id namename—Myof Stacey. siscy. I know th Isabella e Shaw, but e ° d l e g fe boe nd aino tn n t e tm Mr. Hacker, as the registrar of births, deaths, and m arr i ages, for Kentish-town. I first became acquainted with him in April, 1846, by going to register the birth of a child I had then. On the 3d of the following March he renewed the acquaintance by standing godfather ;for the child. On the 14th of March he invited Ime to dine with him at his own house, and I !went. The improper intimacy commenced that even ling. I went on the following day to reside at 8 , !Upper Ebury-street, where he frequently visited me. IHe came to see me almost daily, and visited me up to the end of July. In the month of June I informed him that I was in the family way. He said he was i i very sorry, as he was afraid it would injure me with ' respect to my income. On the 28th of June I told LJ him of it in the presence of Miss Green and another person, and he did not deny it. He offered to give me 151. or 201. when I was confined. I never re ceived anything from him. I went to him after I had been confined three weeks, and he refused to give •me anything. I was confined on the 22d of Febru ary. Since my confinement, he says, as I have been informed, that Mr. Gregory is the father of my child. He offered to give me .5/. to swear it to Mr. Gregory, but I, of course, refused. In answer to an inquiry, the complainant said she was not intimate with any other person until three months after she discovered herself enciente by Mr. Hacker. Three letters, forming a portien of a number received by complainant from defendant, were put in and read. They were all couched in nearly the same terms. One may serve as a specimen of the whole : "Aiay 11, 1847. " My dear Mrs. Stacey,—lf you think you caa endea vour to get as tar as Kentish-town some day this week, I need not say how phased I should be to see you. Perhaps Friday would be agreeable to you ; if so, write me a line. Saturday and Sunday I shall be disengaged, if convenient to you.—Yours sincerely, " E. HACKER" Cross-examined by Mr. Ballantine—My name is Shaw. Stacey is a name I assume. The first child I had isjlegitimate. The gentleman by whom I had it keepffneglp to the present time. I know a Mr. Gregory. 1 - have known him six or seven years. He is a solicitor. I knew him before the birth of the first child, but he was not the father of my first child. had no improper intimacy with him before that time. Mr. Ballantine—You have represented yourself as a Mrs. Stacey, and have stated that you were under the protection of a person of that name. Now will you swear that you do not know any person of that name in the position to you you have described? Complainant—l do not. It is merely an assumed name. I would not have the real name of the gen tleman with whom I have been intimate, and who has protected me, known for the world. Re-examined by Mr. Price—Up to July, 1847, I never had any improper intimacy with Mr. Gregory. No other person but Hacker was improperly intimate with me up to the latter end of July or beginning of August. lam not alluding to any previous intimacy with Mr. Stacey. Johanna Morrison, servant to the complainant, proved that Mr. Hacker was in the habit of visiting complainant about the months of May, June, and July. Cross-examined—Another gentleman used to come. He was fair-haired. He was a good-looking gentle man ; so was the other gentleman, for the matter of that. In answer to inquires from Mr. BRODERIP, witness said she first entered the service about the Ist of May. Mr. Gregory was the first of the two gentlemen she saw there, but on the occasion of the visit he did not stay then all night. He merely stayed for two or three hours in the front parlour. Mrs. Charlton, a garrulous old monthly nurse, who had attended the complainant in her confinement, was put into the witness-box, and in the course of her evidence created considerable merriment in Court. She said she went to Mr. Hacker with the child when it was three weeks old, and took him some tooth brushes, and a letter written by complainant. Mr. Price—What did you say to him? The nurse (setting the child which she held in her arms upright) replied :—" I have brought you your babby for you to see." Mr. Ballantine—Did he seem much delighted ? (Laughter).—Nurse—So, he did not seem much de lighted. I said, lam sure a beautiful child like this any man ought to be proud of.—(Much laughter.) Mr. William Gregory, a solicitor, who had been summoned to give evidence by the opposite party, was then called by Mr. Price, and although, in the course of his evidence, cautioned by Mr. Broderip as t,) the peril in which he was placed, and told that he was not bound to answer some of the questions, ex pressed his willingness to answer any interrogatory, and did so throughout without any apparent hesita tion. In his examination by Mr. Price he said, I have known the complainant five or six years. I visited her at Ebury- street and Kentish-town from 1841 to 1846. No improper intimacy ever occurred between us until five or six weeks after the 28th of June last. I slept in the parlour, and it was the first time I ever knew she had any improper intimacy with any man. I was told by her that she was in the family way. She told me in the presence of Miss Green on the 28th of June. In answer to an inquiry from Mr. BRODERIP, Mr. Gregory declared that, on his solemn oath, he had no improper intimacy with complainant until five weeks after the 28th of June last. Mr. BRODERIP observed that the case had been gone into very fully. As far as the complainant's evidence went alone, he did not think that any very great reliance was to be placed upon it ; but he must take the whole case, and had it not been for the pre sence of 3r.G r been n Gregory actothsideecroaubt, dhoeubmtustnaedmfeiltt there might l have bound, however , to adjudge Mr. Hacker t o b e the was wrong of the child . If the parties conside re d h e wrong in his judgmen t, he sould be most happy for to take the sense them of another court by appealing again 12s. cost!. st the order, which w as 2i. 6d. p er week with SOYER'S NEW SAUCES . Th e great Napoleon of Gastronomy , the man who has, Soyer oker by bringing . the lights of ch emistr y to bear on the art of preparing viands for the food of man, raise from an art to the dignity of a science, M. y has invented a sauce (or rather two sauces), sauce succulen te (one pour le s Messieurs, and another p our les .Dames), in comparison with which all other sau ces are ' stale , dull, flat, and unprofitable." There is a warmth and flavour about the sauce succulente of Soyer which gives a ze.t to bottle containing appetite and imparts a relish to chop, steak, cold meat, ?r whatever other comestible it may be used with, which is quit© is most piquant and delicious. A very small quantity is Reform CI an otegant specimen of t() impart the most delicious flavour. The ohtasadded immensely his inventi% as a. TnZt:t.illillg' the sauce too is worthy of all praise painen t to the table. The great chef of the "art manufacture." It to his reputation by the sauce succulente. LIB ULvtarrom SANDS.-The Lancaster Gua r . dian says that the Lord s of the Admiralty have given their consent to the c onstruction of an embankment from the Cartmel side of the Mverston Sande to the Back Scarri, tarice of obcAit three-quarters of a mile, GOOD ADVICE. —A Sunday paper contains the fol lowing notice to corr espondents: —In newspaper corre spondence, as in business generally, it should be borne in mind that " short accounts make very long friends." NATIONAL ASSEMBLY. AFTERNOON SITTING. At the re -assembling of the delegates yesterday after noon, there were only twenty-four present; Mr. Dixon, the newly elected chairman, presided: The first business was the election of a person to take money at the gallery entrance, and also the election of a cheque-taker. The CHAIRMAN said he had received a communication, stating that Mr. John Askill had been elected a delegate at a meeting of 600 persons held at Swindon (Wilts). A Finance Committee, an Agitation Committee, to superintend the holdiag of meetings in the London district, and to arrange as to the attendance of delegates at them, and also a General Business Committee, were then elected. Captain O'BRIEN (Dublin), who had been appointed by the Irish Confederation to attend the Assembly, in accordance with an invitation sent to that effect, here rose and proceeded to make a statement, but spoke in so low a tone of voice that scarcely a word was audible. On a vote of thanks being proposed to him, several delegates objected, observing that it was absurd to do so when not a sentence of the captain's speech was clearly ,B M r ' i D en o , u s a n e nm e m o u ff n e i r n e a d tin to n, explain the substance of u nderstood, whereupon w i hich was to the follow. tDr. e G r° ff . o e y c e t - n n h n a t t o t f h e thisco n n n d t n i o t r n y o h f ad e Ireland nrn n w e n a e s e s d u c a h r u t h t h a t . less prosecution against the best and bravest of her ser- ' vents, who were now entirely in their hands and would be dealt with in the most cruel and blood-thirsty manner. That Mr. O'Brien had consulted his own lawyer as to the effect of the Convention Act, and was informed that, under exsiting circumstances, it would not be prudent for the Confederation to send delegates to that assembly. That he was of opinion that very great danger might result, not only to Ireland but to this country, provided they did not carry on their agitation with firmness and prudence ; and that an active agitation would have the effect of distracting the attention of their common enemy, and prevent the Government throwing its whole strength upon unhappy Ireland. He (Dr. M'Douall) entirely agreed with the opinion of Captain O'Brien, for he believed that the Government wished nothing better than that the As sembly should cease their agitation, and allow them to concentrate their powers on Ireland. A vote of thanks was then carried with great una nimity. A DELEGATE said he sincerely believed that it was not the intention of Government to bring that Assembly under the operation of the Convention Act. The CHAIRMAN said, the next most important business to be taken up by the Assembly was to consider so me and faithfully whereby their proceedings might be pr o p erl y faithfully conveyed to the public. A moti motion n y ovedarbnyaey,l C t A3t he r Mr. should enter into an arrangement with the p ro p rietors seconded was then SHAW,s n w, in af Barnsley, tataAss" d sem a b n ly of some one of the daily pap ers, to secure a full and correct report of the proceeding s. he Tory press was lauded as havin g acted more A good deal of disc ussion ensued, durin g which t fairly and openly with the Chartists than the other political organs, and the Morning Post alluded to as giving the fullest and fairest reports. The Northern Star came in for a share of abuse, a dele gate observing that its proprietor had very materially injured the cause, and that Mr. O'Connor was un• worthy of their support. Ultimately the original mo tion was withdrawn, and one passed appointing a committee to inquire into the best means of obtaining a fair and full report, and requesting them to report the result of their inquiries to the Assembly. A certificate was read by the Chairman, in accord ance with the resolution passed in the morning, appoint ing Mr. M'Carthy a delegate for Finsbury and the city of London. A lengthy discussion also ensued upon this subject, upon a motion of Mr. T. Clarke being made, that Mr. M'Carthy's credentials be returned, and the election be considered null and void. Mr. ADAMS stated that the meeting which elected Mr. M'Carthy consisted of only 200 persons, and was held in a small room; neither had proper notice been given of the meeting. Mr. M'CARTHY contended that he bad been properly elected, and attributed the opposition against his taking his seat to one or two delegates who entertained some personal hostility towards him because he held extreme opinions. He had no wish to remain in the Assembly, however, if they thought he was not entitled to a seat as a delegate. The discussion terminated by a motion that the cer tificate was not satisfactory, the meeting not having been held in accordance with the resolutions laid down for the conducting of elections, which was carried by a majority of three upon being put to the Assembly. Mr. M'Carthy resigned his seat and left the hall be fore the resolution was passed, apparently much an noyed. The Assembly shortly afterwards separated. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 1. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. The reports upon the following Bills were further considered and ordered to be engrossed : Birkenhead Dock Company Bill. Brighton Gas Light and Coal Company Bill. D. rby Waterworks Bill. Manchester General Cemetery Bill. Petitions were presented by—Mr. GRANGER, from a tradesman residing in Durham, praying for an alteration in the County Courts Act; Mr. DUNCAN, from Scottish congregations, praying the House to pass come measure to enable them to obtain sites for building churches ; Mr. BAINES, from the magistrates of a town in Yorkshire, in favour of the Bill for regulating the proceedings of special and petty sessions; Mr. FITZROY, against the Public Health Bill, from Lewes ; Mr. G. THOMPSON, from Folkestone, praying that Jill matters in dispute between this country and other nations should be referred to arbitration ; and from Stepney, praying for the removal of the tax upon land in India employed in the development of agriculture ; Lord DRUMLANRIG, from Dumfries, against the Bill for establishing Diplomatic Relations with the Court of Rome ; Mr. EWART, from Dundee and other places, praying for the adoption of some measure to prevent the desecration of the Sabbath and the running of the mails upon th at da y ; ISRAELI, from th e p ar i s h o f St. Eli za b e th, in Mthe r. ' lsland of Jamaica, praying for relief ; from Long Crendon, in favour of a repeal of the Poor Re moval Act; from Eton and Brill, in favour of re trenchment in the national expenditure ; from the Lodges of Odd Fellows in the towns of Newport Pagnel, Bu rnham, Fenn y S t ratford , Stony Strat f o rd, Wolverton, praying other friendly societies ; from Bri ll and C hi pp in g Norton, in favo ur of t he Bill f o r removin g the Jewish disabilities ; and from Bicester , against. the system of direct taxation ; Mr. BERN AL , from Rochester , signed by the Mayor, on behalf of a pu blic meeti n g aga ins t t he Pottersbury, an d L e i g h ton B uzzar d, for the same l ega l secur ity as en joyed by Public Health Bill ; Sir R. H. INGLIS, from various places, against the Jewish Disabilities Bill ; Mr. HAMILTON, from a number of parishes in the north of Ireland, against the present system of national education. TADCASTER AND_HALTON DIAL TURN- PIKE ROAD BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. LEICESTER CEMETERY BILL. The Lords' amendments to this Bill were consi dered and agreed to. EVICTED DESTITUTE POOR (IRELAND) Mr. BARKLY tendered his most cordial thanks to the Government for their kindness in coming for ward to assist the colony. He would remind the House that the West India islands had contributed a large sum of money towards the relief of the destitute in Ireland last year. Interchanges of this kind were equally honourable to both par ties, and would form, he believed, the best link between the colonies and the mother country. With respect to the question put by the Hon. Member for Sunderland (Mr. Hudson), he did not think that there was any risk attending the advance of this money to the island, because he believed that the revenues of the islands were never in a more pros perous condition, owing to the prosperous state of the labouring population. The vote was then agreed to. IMMIGRATION OF FREE LABOURERS INTO THE WEST INDIES. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then rose to move a vote of 200,000/. for the purpose of the immigration of free labourers to the islands of Trinidad and Guiana. He believed that all were aware of the importance attached to the immigration of free labourers to the West Indies on the coast of Africa, and the object of this rote was to further that immigration, and to defray the expenditure that had already taken place, which he believed was about 166,0001. Mr. BARCLAY said, it might perhaps appear un grateful on his part, but he felt bound to tell the Go • vernment that the loan would not enable the island to compete with those colonies where free-labour sugar was produced. This loan was the only measure that her Majesty's Government could introduce for the benefit of the colonies, but he hoped the House would not labour under the impression that temporary ex pedients of this nature were calculated to improve in any material way the condition of the colonies. At all events he was quite convinced that they would never enable the colonies to compete with slave-growing states; and he, therefore, trusted that the time was not far distant when the House would condescend to take into its serious con sideration the present deplorable state of the colonies. How was it that the colonists could not raise this money upon their own security ? Why, simply because an impression prevailed that the colonies were to be left to their fate, and were never more to be taken under the fostering care of that House. The House should not think that it was doing an act of great generoffity in voting this grant. Mr. HU AIE agreed with a great portion of the Hon. Gentleman's address, but particularly with that portion of it in which he stated that the colonies had been greatly injured by the mismanagement of the Colonial-office ; but he rose to oppose the grant on other grounds, and he should divide upon it. By the rules of the House no money should be spent by the Government without the consent of the House, except in cases of extreme emergency, like that for which the 5,0001. was voted ; but since 1844 the Colonial-office had entered into negotiations with the colo nies by which the House had been pledged to vote large sums of money for their use. For instance, when the Court of Policy of Trinidad desired to raise a loan and could not do so, the Colonial-office stepped into their aid, and pledged the House to in demnify them. It was utterly fallacious—it was a perfect delusion to suppose that, as these colonies were situated at present they would ever be enabled to repay ls. of any sum that might be lent to them. There was a time when they could have done so, but their credit was now gone, and such: was the deplorable financial condition of the colony, that the Government had been compelled to curtail their expenses by reducing the emoluments of their servants. Therefore, if they advanced the money, they might as well do so as a grant, for none of it would ever be repaid. The Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) was not lesss culpable than any of his predecessors, for he sanctioned the immigration of coolies at an ex pense which he pledged this country to defray by loan. He 01r. Hume) wished to see the colonies left to their own management, and free from the in fluence of the Colonial-office; let them employ whom they liked, pass what laws they liked, and pay what salaries they liked; do not interfere with them, but make them responsible to the mother country. He, therefore, begged to move that the grant be postponed until the report of the Committee on West Indian Affairs was before the House, and they were informed of the intentions of the Government respecting them. Mr. GL ADSTONE confessed that the repayment of the money would be questionable, and agreed with the Hon. Gentleman that as a matter of economy the best way to bring that about was to leave matters to the transaction of the colonists themselves. — (Hear.) Whatever gratitude the West Indian islands owed for the aid afforded by the Government, or whatever responsibility attached to it, neither he nor Lord Stanley were to blame, as it was not afforded during the time they held office. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was perfectly correct that the present propo sition did not originate with the late Government, but they adopted the measure for the immigration of the coolies into the West Indies, out of which the necessity for the present loan originated. Sir R. H. INGLIS said that whatever might be the opinian with respect to the recent equiliaation of the duty on sugar, it had been productive of the greatest of evils to the West Indian colonies. Notwithstand ing the injuries the colonists had sustained, he believed that they still entertained the best feelings towards the mother country, and he thought that the House would be only acting right in agreeing to advance the sums which were required for the purpose of mitigating the evils under which the colonies were at present suffering. He trusted that there would be no opposition to thi , . grant. If the colonies were compelled to pay all their expenses, they would cease to look upon this country in a parental light. Mr. ROBINSON thought that the House of Commons ought not to be called upon to vote 200,0001. for the purpose of immigration before it had the report of the Emigration Committee. For aught they knew the report of that Committee might be against any further emigration to these colonies, and on such doubt it was rather too bad to take out of the pockets of the hard working people of this country so large a sum as 200,000/. Mr. HUME called upon the Government to post pone this vote for a short time in order to enable the llouse to have before it the report of the West India Committee. Mr. WILSON thought there was very little chance of the report of the West India Committee being laid on the table of the House for some weeks to come. Mr. HERRIES said that he would not enter into the question of responsibility, and as to the amount of the sum proposed, 166,0001., it was hardly worth while dis puting about it. He believed that the expenses were usefully incurred; and had it not been for the informal nature of the documents, the colonists would have given security for the sum themselves. The nature of the expenses was twofold; expenses already incurred, and expenses to which they should be liable in order to enable the colonies to carry on the system of immigra tion, pending the reception of the report. It would be partly the duty of the Committee to decide whether such a system should be upheld; and if the Chancellor of the Exchequer would confine his vote to the sum of 166.0001, and would leave out that part of it which was prospect tire, he would be quite prepared to support him. But if he insisted upon the whole sum, then he should be disposed to vote with the Hon. Member for Montrose. They had been told that they were not to expect the report for two or three weeks; well, if such were the case, the question was not such an important one that it could not be adjourned until that time. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he had not the slightest wish to pledge the House to any expenditure over that which had been already in curred. The objection which he had to confining the amount of the vote had been given by his Noble Friend. They could not tell the precise amount of their liabilities, and he might have come down to the House and asked the House at a future day for a further sum of two, three, or four thousand pounds. He was perfectly ready to pledge himself that no additional expenditure should take place until the sense of the House bad been taken upon the subject. Mr. BARKLY said, that when the first intimation was given of this grant, Lord Grey wrote a dispatch to the Governor of British Guiana, authorising him to draw drafts for the purposes of African immigration. Dr. BOWRING said that the authority of the Go verntnent had been given for the outlay of a very large sum of money before the sanction of the House had been obtained for such a proceeding—a course which was exceedingly irregular.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HAWES said that the question lay in a very narrow compass, and if it was possible to fix any precise cover for the expenditure, he was of opinion that would be very desirable. The history of the transaction was simply this:—ln 1844 Lord Stanley yielded to the press ing solicitations of the West Indian colonists, and as sented to this proposition on the assurance that they would make good the expenses that had been incurred. Matters remained thus when his Riot Hon . Friend, Mr. Gladstone, accepted office, and he, on the same assu rance, consented t- ) a continuance of the system, and immigration ordinances were passed, both in British Guiana and Demerara. These ordinances were per vaded with great defects, limiting, as they did, the rate of interest on the capital to be raised. The consequence must, however, be the stoppage of immigration until the necessary funds were raised by the colonies. British Guiana had raised upwards of 100,0001., which was expended in the payment of the then existing lia bilities ; and Trinidad furnished a sum of 50,000/., which was spent in a similar way. Such was the state of circumstances when, in the course of last year, Lord Grey gave his sanction to the policy thus introduced, and the colonies incurred liabilities to the extent of 166,0001.—that was to say, so far as was yet known.—(Hear, hear, from Mr. Hume.) The figures here stated showed the amount of debt which they were actually aware had been contracted ; but in order to guard against unlimited liability, or any unwise expen diture on the part of the colony, the whole sum proposed by Lord Grey, to bo allotted in the manner in question, was limited to 200,000/. Of this 166,000/. had been actually expended, and the liability might probably F1201.111t to 10,0004, or ;0,0004 owe, always, bower. keeping within the 200,000/. If this vote were to be postponed, then the effect would be to put an immediate stop to cooly immigration. The line of policy which would be advanced by the House assenting to his pro posal was one which had been sanctioned by three successive Governments. At present the colonies of Jamaica, Trinidad, and Demerars, were pressing for a supply of labour from the coast of Africa (as we under stood), and, accordingly, a number of liberated Africans had been conveyed to our West Indian colonies, instead of being taken to Sierra Leone or other settlements on the African coast, while no further contract for the conveyance of hill coolies would be entered into. The 200,0001. now asked for would, it was thought, cover all the expenses which had been incurred, and no further sum would or could be demanded. Mr. CARDWELL said that there were two questions before the Committee. The Honourable Gentleman opposite had spoken truly when he said that successive Secretaries of State had sanctioned the immigration el coolies. So far one of the questions in discussion was disposed of. But that which remained was a question of advancing our credit for the promotion of this immi gration —a policy which successive Secretaries of Stwe had not sanctioned.—(Hear, hear.) It was true that Lord Stanley in 1844 had sanctioned immigration upon the credit of the colonies, and his Right Honourable Friend near him had pursued the same course of policy. Again, last year, the colonies were empowered to raise money upon their own credit, but with a pledge that it should be guaranteed by the credit of this country. But this was the first time that they had been called upon to consider whether they should pledge the credit of the empire to guarantee the credit of the colonies. — (Hear, hear.) At present there was a Committee sitting which had presented to the House, in six successive reports, all the evidence taken before it, and which was now about to deliberate upon its final report. If that Committee should report that the West India colonies were so much depressed that we ought to come forward with the guarantee of this country, then the question might be legitimately considered ; wail if the House should decide in favour of the claims of the colonies, he hoped they would be well aware that the step which they would be then about to take was no un importunt one.—(Hear, hear.) The credit of the coun try was the property of the country, and the House ought to be as careful of pledging the country's credit as they would be chary of advancing its money. Let them beware, then, of taking this important step in a hurry. Let them limit the vote to be now granted to the amount which they knew had been actually ex pended, and let them, at all events, refrain from pledg ing the credit of the country for the debts of the people until the report of the Committee sitting upon the sub ject had been laid before the 11 , Juse.—(Hear.) Mr. T. BARING observed, that some expectations had been held out to the colony that a portion of this money was to be applied to African emigration. With respect to the sums already expended, as he understood the matter, the Government had chartered vessels, made themselves responsible fur the freight, taking the guaran• tee of the colonies for repayment; and therefore he contended that the country was bound to make good the debt. The 40,0001. not yet—so tar as was known — expended, might be required for the further immigration of a coloured population into our colonies. The House was advised, however, to incur no expense further than the debt which had been already contracted. The Hon. Gentleman the Member for Liverpool had contended against Parliament guaranteeing further expeuditure, because by doing so it would be involving itself in an unfair system of giving its credit to the colonies. But that system had been already sanctioned by the measure passed with reference to Canada.—(Hear.) The credit of this country was extended in favour of Canada, when it was in a distressed condition, and to say that the ex pense which might be incurred in promoting imwigra Lion ought not to be now guaranteed, was to urge a doctrine directly in violation of the promises made to the West India colonies, but still only of a piece with that severe legislation to which they had been so long subjected.—(Hear, hear.) icir. R. HILDYARD" said that 166,0001. had been expended under the expectation that the colony would be able to repay it. That expectation had not, however, ' been fulfilled, and the amount would become a bad debt incurred by the Imperial Government, In voting the sum in question, therefore, they were only making pro vision for expenses actually incurred, taking all the se curities which the colonies could give for the repayment of the money. Therefore, as regarded the 166,0001., it appeared to him that we were only paying a sum for which we had made ourselves liable, but for the repay went of which by the parties primarily benefited we held all the securities we could cbtain or they could give. Lord J. RUSSELL (who spoke in a very kw tone, and was very indistinctly heard in the gallery) said that when he was Secretary for the Colonies he had always advised the Crown to refuse any sanction to those loans. He had done so not so much upon impe rial as upon colonial grounds; at the same time, how ever, that he thought it unadvisable for the Govern ment to mortgage its revenues, and incur the de ficit thereby occasioned. When Lord Stanley and the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite were Secretaries for the Colonies, they sanctioned loans for the purposes of immigration. to be raised by the colonies; and the interest, until repayment, to be defrayed by the colonies. They did not contemplate that either the credit or the resources of this country would be required for the purpose of raising these loans. But it so happened, for these loans had been made and great expenses in• curred—expenses voted by the Colonial Legislatures and sanctioned here by the Crown—after great exrnses had been incurred, and after orders had been sent out for the immigration of coolies to the West Indian colonies—that hese colonies fell into such a state of distress that it be came difficult for them to raise loans. The money market here, indeed, was in such a state, that they found it im possible to raise loans; and under these circumstances it became a question for the present Government whether they would not aid the colonies—distressed as they were—with respect to the liabilities thus incurred. Now, it was, no doubt, competent for Parliament to say that they would reject any such proposal; but such rejection would not, he thought, be fair to the colonies, and would not be consistent with the manner in which Parliament had generally acted after Ministers had declared that they thought that the credit of this country ought to be employed in helping the colo nies to raise the means for supplying themselves with that amount of labour—confessedly necessary for their prosperity. The Right Honourable Gentleman the Member for Stamford (Mr. Ilerries) had, he thought, in principle laid down a fair distinction; and if that dis tinction could be carried out into practice, he should see no objection to its application. The Right Honourable Gentleman contended that the sums already actually expended should be voted at once, but that the conside ration of the expenses which were now proceeding should be deferred until the House should have had the report of the Committee now sitting upon the subj ec t. If an y practical distinction of the id could be made between the sums proposed to be voted, he (Lord John Russell) would be willing to carry it into effect. The sum ac tually spent was 166.0001., and it did not seem to him ti be of very great importance whether they took a sum rather beyond that, which might probably be required, or whether they took a vote for a sum under the amount, and came to Parliament again for the balance, whatever it might be. He repeated that he was indifferent as to which course was taken.—(Hear, hear.) The Honour able Member for Huntingdon (Mr. T. Baring) had ha thought, mistaken his Right Honourable Friend near him, when he (Mr. T. Baring) stated that be cause a Government were not ready to eater into new loans, acc , rding to the plan stated in the early part of the session, and announced by Lord Grey in u dispatch to the colonies, that therefore they were ready to abandon a scheme advantageous to the West Indies. He (Lord John Russell) did not think that his Hon. Friend meant to convey any such impression, and at all events such were not the intentions of her Majesty's Government. What his Right Honourable Friend in tended to convey was, that he agreed to the postpone ment suggested by the Roght Honourable Gentleman the Member for Stamford, until about three weeks hence, when the report of the Committee upon the sub ject would be on the table of the House. For his own part, whether the Committee agreed to the vote of 160,000/. or to that for the larger sum, he considered to be a matter of little moment. Indeed, between the views taken by himself, and those urged by the Right Honourable Gentleman the Member for Stamford, there was, so far as principle went, no substantial difference. Mr. HERRIES asked the Chairman to read the clause, which was done. The, CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex plained that the colonies had received certain sums of money, for the repayment of which they were liable. The colonies proposed to raise the necessary amount by loans sanctioned by the Home Government. They found, however, that that could not be effected, owing to the present state of the money market. The proposal, there fore, now was, to lend to the colonies that which they could not borrow elsewhere.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HUDSON thought that the money actually ex• pended mi g ht now be voted, while the Government could come to the House again for the amount for which liabilities might be still incurred. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that 170,0001. might be taken on that account. Mr. HUME protested against a Colonial Minister pledging the credit of the country , and bringing it into debt. In 1844 Lord Stanley had directed ships to be hired, coolies to be conveyed, and bills to be drawn on the colonies for the amount. The colonists, however, not being able to realise any loans, the bills remained unpaid, and Government was now called upon to inter fere. Expenses might, however, be yet accumulating, and before he consented to vote a single shilling, orders should be sent out to put a stop to the system. Mr. HAWES was understood to intimate that this had been done. Mr. HUME continued—ln that case he wished to see the whole of the correspondence, in order that he might judge hoW far the present Government had encouraged the contraction of liabilities. He found in the papers already on the table a dispatch from Earl Grey, dated " Downing street. February 16th," in which the Noble Lord state I that Government had determined to advance 200,0001. to the West Indian colonies. Now, no Secre Lary of State had a right to say anything of the sort. He would have been as much justified in saying that Government had determined to increase the income-tax by five per cent. The dispatch in question went on to say that in case of any difficulty being experienced in ' pros iding for the payment of freight and bounties, the colonies would be at liberty to draw upon the Commis sioners of Colonial Lands and Emigration. Now, what he wished the House at present. to do was,to postpone .the question until the report of the Committee should be before it; whil e i n the mean time the whole of the corre spondence on the subject might be got ready and pro duced. If they were to pay what was already spent, let a stop be put to the system for the future. With these , views, he begged to Move that tha,Chairman report pro . gresi, th'e object of the delay being to postpone the dis cussion for a week, until Buy had all the d curnents re lating to the subject before them. The conduct of Ali• BILL. On the motion of Mr. DRUMMOND, the second reading of this Bill was p ost p oned until the 17th. HARWICH ELECTION. The SPEAKER informed the House that he had received information that the recognizances required in the matter of the petition, complaining of an undue election in the boroug h of Harwich, were unob jectionable, and that the petitioners declined to pro ceed with the petition. Mr. URQUHART presented a petition from Worcester against the Health of Towns Bill. Mr. HUME presented a petition from Arbroath, in favour of the Site of Churches (Scotland) Bill ; also a petition from Inverness, praying for the better observance of the Sabbath ; and a petition from Glas gow, praying for an alteration of the law of entail in Scotland, and against the Bill introduced on the subject by the Lord-Advocate. THE BALLOT. Mr. H. BERKELEY gave notice of his intention to move, on Thursday, the 11th of May, that it was expedient, in the future election of Members, that the votes should be taken by way of ballot. ALIEN BILL. Lord D. STUART gave notice of his intention, in Committee on the Alien Bill, to move an amendment on certain clauses. _ .... The Earl of LINCOLN presented a petition from Linlithgow, in favour of the Site of Churches (Scot land) Bill. _ . _ Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition in favour of the Health of Towns Bill. SPAIN, PRUSSIA, AND DENMARK. Mr. URQUHART gave notice that ke should, to morrow, ask the Noble Lord the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, whether the correspondence recently published in the newspapers as having passed between this country and Spain was authentic or not ; and if so, whether he would have any objection to lay copies of it on the table of the House.—(Hear, hear.) He should also ask the Noble Lord in what position this country stands with respect to the recent events that had taken place between Denmark and Prussia. TOBAGO RELIEF BILL. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, the House went into Committee on this Bill. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then said it was most probably well known to every Member in the House who had read the papers that had been recently furnished with respect to the condi tion of the island of Tobago, that it had been desolated by a severe hurricane, which had caused great destruction of property. It was no doubt equally well known and appreciated, that the island in such an extremity possessed a strong claim upon the generous aid of this country. When the Government received intimation of the disaster, they immediately advised the Government to propose a grant of 5,0001., in order that it might be applied to the immediate relief of the distress that had been occasioned, and on the un derstanding that the home Government would at the earliest moment propose a vote of that amount to meet the expenditure of this sum out of the funds of the island ; but at the same time they undertook to pro pose the loan of a larger sum in order to enable those whose property had been destroyed to replace it, and to afford employment for the working people, whose means of subsistence had been destroyed by the cala mity. He had, therefore, to propose a grant of 5,000/. and a loan of 50,000/. The House had adopted a similar course in reference to St. Vincent, Jamaica, Domingo, and other islands, and as recently as 1843 assistance had been afforded to Antigua in conse quence of a calamity that had occurred there. H e would not on the present occasion advert to the condition of the West In dian islands, as their condition would, no doubt, on a future occasion, come under the mature consideration of the House. He would only state that the condition of Tobago was such as to render it necessary that the House should extend the pro posed aid to it. As the House was fully in posses sion of the circumstances, he should simply move that the sum of 5,000/. be voted to relieve the distress occasioned in the island by the recent hurricane. Mr. HUME inquired where the details of the grant were laid down ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER page 16 of the pri n t e d papers. The money waatorelieve labourers and others. said, in M r. HUME inquired if that was the whole amount proposed ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was not ; a loan of 50,000/. was proposed. Mr. HUME wished to know whether the money had been advanced ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that it had been advanced, and that such was the only course which could be adopted by the Go vernment in the emergency in which the island was placed. Th e Right Honourable Baronet then proceeded to state that the next vote which he should place in the hands of the:Chairman was to authorise the Treasury to advance, either from the Consolidated Fund, or by the issue of Exchequer-bills, a sum of 50,0001. upon loan to the Island of Tobago , t o be distributed by the Legisla ture of that island to individuals who had suffered from the effects of the recent hurricane, in the same manner as similar gran ts had been distributed in the islands of Antigua, Montserrat, and others. Mr. HUME wished to know whether the money had been advanced, and if not, upon what terms it was to be advanced, and whether it was likely that the sums would be repaid by the colony. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the money had not yet been advanced, and would not be advanced unless the island was prepared to give such terms as the Govern ment thought to be sufficient security for the repayment of the money. He did not think that it was advisable then to enter into any discussion as to the general state of the West Indian colonies. The present grant would form no part of the general plan to b e proposed for the relief of those islands, but was in strict accordance with grants made upon form er occasions to those islands which had suffered from hurricanes or other calamities of a similar ve h secur woulno doubt them, nature. The money w ould be advanced b y the Legislature of the island t o individual s who would gi but the suc Governme ity nt as of this country would satisf y look to the island for its repayment. Mr. HUDSON la ished to know what amount at present remained unpaid out of similar advances made upon previous occasions to the West Indian islands ? The CHANCELLOR of t he E XCHEQUER said, th a t a d vance s had been made to other islands to a very c ons id era ble extent, and , up to the present time, to a v er y grea t extent, the instalments had been punetually and regularly p aid. Owin g to the dis tress which had existed during the last two years the time had, however, been exte nded for t he payment of the instalments,: • • Mr. HUDSON -wished to know whether the ad vance of the present sum would . not be attended with much greater risk than grants made at any former 4 period. ~~ IRELAND. DUBLIN, APRIL 30. Mr. Mitchell's attack, in a recent number ot the United Irishman, on Mr. O'Connell, whom he describes as the abettor of English plunderers, and the mortal enemy of the working „classes, has given deadly offence to the Rev. Dr. O'Brien and the Old Irelanders ot Limerick. On Mr. Mitchell's arrival there yesterday morning, by the mail, to attend the soirée, the Old Irelanders commenced groaning that gentleman, to whom much indignity was offered, with foul threats of personal injury, in consequence, as they stated, of his calumny of Daniel O'Connell. Mr. Mitchell appeared quite surprised at such discourtesy, and said he did not anticipate such a reception from Irishmen. Several members of the Confederate Club, who were in waiting to congratulate Mr. Mitchell, and endeavoured to suppress the indignity, were themselves abused and insulted. Messrs. Mitchell and Meagher reached Cruise's Hotel in safety. Tne Limerick Chronicle anticipated that there would be a row in the evening. Mr. Smith O'Brien arrived in Limerick yesterday morning. The following is a list of the toasts:—" The Queen of Ireland "—" The People, the true source of legitimate power "—" The Prosecuted Patriots "—" Ireland for the Irish "—" The memory of O'Connell "—" Pope Pius the Ninth, the Great He former "—" The Press of the People "—" The Con gregated Trades "—" The Hierarchy and Clergy of Ireland"—" America, France, and the other Young Republics." WATERFORD AND LIMZRICK RAILWAY.—The traffic on this line already exceeds the most sanguine anticipa tions of the company. WICKLOW ELECTION.—It is said there will be a peti tion against the return of Sir H. Howard for Wieklow. TAXATIONin IRELAND,ENGLAND, AND SCOTLAND. In Ireland the imperial taxes are not ten shillings head per annum; and the local taxes (namely, 1,200,0001. county cess, 500,0001. tithes, 300,000/ poor-rates, and other interior taxes) amount to about five shillings a head yearly. Ili England, the imperial taxation alone is fifty shillings a head per annum; and the local taxes ai least twenty-five shillings a head per annum. In Scot land, the imperial taxation is nearly forty shillings a head per annum ; the local taxation about ten shillings a head per annum. Ireland, with a population of more than one-half that of England and Wales, does not contribute one•twelfth of the taxes of the empire; and Scotland, with a popu lation only one-third less than Ireland, contributes a greater quota to the support of the Government. The whole of the revenue raised in Ireland is spent in Ireland ; lout Scotland contributes annually more than three-and-a-half millions sterling in revenue alone to the British Exchequer! While the Imperial Parliament levied 64,115,972/. taxes on twelve articles in Great Britain, on the same articles, duringithe same period, the taxation levied was, in Ireland, only 24,179,331/., making a difference in favour of Ireland of nearly forty millions sterling! 245,110,1081. sterling was raised in Great Britain on twelve articles, which in Ireland were free of duty during thirty-three years since the Union. The whole taxation of Ireland does not afford a suffi cient sum to pay a fair quota cf the expenses incurred on behalf of Ireland by the Imperial Treasury. Ireland is now one of the least taxed countries in Europe; the amount of taxes levied per head in Ireland is only one-half the amount levied at the period of the Union ; the taxes levied in Ireland are only one-fifth per head the amount levied in England, and one third the amount levied in Scotland. In thirty-three years the difference of taxation between Great Britain and Ireland is more than three hundred million sterling in favour of Ireland ; and there has been no violation of the Act of Union.—Montgomery Martin's " Ireland before the union." GREAT DUNHAM. SERIOUS RENCONTRE. —We understand that the village of Great Dunham was, on Saturday week, thrown into serious consternation by the following circumstances:—lt appears that two brothers, named William and John Copeland, were residing in a I house originally the property of their mother, to which there was a flour-mill attached. It would seem that they had taken possession of these premises, although a third brother, named Arthur, preft rred his claim to them, and being unable to eject the brothers by simple means, Arthur Copeland, assisted by a party, proceeded on the day in question to force an entrance into the dwelling. Having succeeded in gaining admission into the lower apartment, Arthur was proceeding to enter a pas sage, or hall, when some one fired, and the ball passing through the door, forced its way into the floor of the room where Arthur was standing, but, fortanately, without doing him any harm. Arthur and his party retired at once from the scene, but they had not been gone long before they saw the mill in flames, and it was burnt to the very ground. The two brothers, William and John, were taken before the magistrates, when the latter acknowledged having set fire to the mill, and that his brother was perfectly innocentof having had any hand in the transaction. They were both remanded for ex amination by Mr. Keppel and other magistrates. When the house was searched a considerable number of fire arms were found, and most or all of them loaded, besides 22 large flint stones piled up under the window, so that it seems the party had prepared themselves for a siege. We may add, that a barn contiguous to the mill caught fire, but Yap R as by prompt assistance it was speedily extin guished. Ett ADROITLY . DETECTED. —A Suffolk farmer, who had a goose stolen from hi m , c omplained to t h e curate, and begged of reverence ascended the pulpit on the following Sunday he desired all hi Nay," A Chronicle. A sh e POUL TRY TRir i n g etting back his goose. Accordingly, when the curate a congregation to sit down, and wh t en they bad 'obeyed , said, " Wh y sit y e . not down ?" They replied , "-We are already seated." " he who stole the gOose toaishi t nl y ha " Nay," rejoined the curate , sitteth not." "Yea, that lied the curate. "1 party. Sayeat thou that," rep charge thee, on r ain of to bring the excommunication, I do !" exclaimed the guilty I goose back again. The sequel need not be relst,EL __—,---.---------- Testers required that a stand should be made by the House, and he hoped that the Noble Lord would have no objection to agree to his motion. Tile CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECITER eaid,that, confined as the vote would be to actually incurred ex penditure, he could not agree to the proposition of the lion. Gentleman. The liability was one incurred by the country, and one which the Colonial Secretary had SOC. tinned. Mr. HUME said that the Right Hon. Gentleman syss now stating circumstances not mentioned in the psPer; bat re the House. He believed that the Governor o Trinidad had taken money from the orp hans' and from other public funds to defray the bills whic h had become due. ir. CARDWELL explained. He did not speak in a spirit of severe legislation against the West Indian in -0 tarsal; for, after having served en the Committee, il;e could not but feel very strong sympathy for there., .9, hoped the House would eppro .ch the question perfect': unbiassed by any consideretion but that of justice. The House then divided, when there uppeared-- For M. Hume's amendment ......... 21 Against it ................................. 7 6 , Majority in favour of the motion... 5 ' fo r Mr. HUME said he would at a future stage move copies of the orders for the information of the Hons,.a The Earl of LINCOLN said that as the Ilon' e ! se _ decided against the Honourable Member for Mt il l r os ; on the principle of the question, he thought le t y, hound to explain the vote he had given in the ma j o r te, He considered he was bound to come to ths o t bot , because it would be a great hardship t oleni eg refused the sum of 166,0001. to the e es d ie after they were pledged to give it• But be not at all think it right to give that vote on the g",, 44‘ .. that a Secretary of State, or a member of her e - ste jesty's Government, had authorised the colonies to the bills to the extent of 200,0001. without leave e°ll fr'st(ted House, although they cou ld have been easily as to the propriet of that measure. a to to The House resyumed, and the report w as ordered received to-mot row. Mr. HUME wished to ask when the G° Yern h Pieh otf m intended to lay before the House their stator:te _1..11 ways and means for the year. lie did not wish _ ° S O them unnecessarily, but there was a deficiency in 10 revenue, and the time was come when they ought make up their minds either to reduce their expenotor„ or to propose a mode for raising money by 14 ro tel Their present course did not tend to raise the cha the country. Ti " ff otle d of The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEVE'''Zrentle. his inability to press on the mind of the Hon' ar t of man the fact that this was no expenditure on the P eit e t the country, but merely the exercise of their ere_ f , t ee home to raise money to lend on the credit ~t 't t ee colony. It would appear from the statement of Hon. Member for Leominster that the colony wa'_ en s, in a better condition to meet that loan t h a n at pr e, The House then went into Committee on t ee. THE PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND) 1311;0 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQO3 t h e re' referred to the works undertaken in Ireland for d bo o lief of the distress in that country, and which had I ° s" carried on during the last two years by moo oee , re and grants made by this country for the se , yea minded the Committee of the provision made ‘s e , o der for repaying the loans by half-yearly instaline°'.d o ff ill, which the whole amount advanced would be Pealrelief of ten years. The object of these works being th tit s pell the people when the extreme pressure conseene oge' the famine ceased last year , t hose works vrere, so_,,,uei,ee extent, stopped. It was compl ained that the een..'nest ie of this had been that many useful works had here thettert an incomplete state ; and also it had been Inn u e be tlo_ of complaint that many of the works undertskVe woo, been of a permanently beneficial character. 15 , 6 a be. l3 to this latter objection was that the works .l d res' undertaken at a period of extreme difficulty and deal sure to relieve the people from the horrors I,llceoefttlz and in this object they had been completelf "...e(eleter4o and had been the means of saving many liy e e s t hens w h o No doubt parties had been employed ur'utteer the ought not to have been, but this abuse nr' n ,, 0 corn; circumstances, unavoidable, and was lei re i ,r e e.. . BDu pared with the good which had been eisc'eities under_ notwithstanding such abuse, and the dui !, ex pel . _ which the relief had been extended, the 10'1'000 0 t p a e t r y h a e v a er d a h g a n d o n f otthbeeewnhgorleeat. of IhneColosue 1846, t i June, 1847, cost per day for each person reslhieivneide,gnelfrreotbshm:ectbbniu:o3ll::::b°egifari was said that some of L, upon t o t ntaherel!eovuent bye_inog:ot :7 per head, only. But then it d would be permanentUs works which had been stopp hstilieviehrgagae 3;7 1:3 6 n 5 ,6_,tbh:iner6,b,c; u no se u f n u t l ie t s o t h h a e vi c n o g un t tr o y t re a p i e ld Y could not provide the nee e re ' of Irish Members who had waited on hi resentments for ir, two things—first, that th:rYptf'eusned: pleting the works might be made in the e"oiei s t h h e o e ul i d ta b if e . instead of being delayed to the winter essizeet e ., bit yeeofripyletiends,tatt,t;ii had been provided for since by a re-advanced that the instalments a f l o rn r e theets paidpurp purpose o o t f he p Right Hon. Friend the Secretary for Ireland ; ~e 0 10 ° b And be see i ng continued,ho i w o d o t r • d s i e r r a b thatt ei t the ' I id enjoy 3anample)ldsywo t ei h amni e r. t.:eayfour, meant , instalments, so b at e ra. n ti hm e e fi eu t net o s f people them , duringw thea s people t and hroaEt h I s e e tce a h: Ijo e e fte m si q n nei e s 7r o a : i n ri :e vi g iat: :,,,, ! e gi ':/ 1.0 1 1 1;1 l e d e ; b i g : . Bi I 1 i n t T r . o he u d le ; e - O P" : 11 0 : : : : 1 ° Government pproa h py a oa d sbel t de h o ut u toi g d h etr t ak i a t ell r p i t g oh h we t el t s o ci ;: e ; t h t a i lf the latter request also. The total amount o. o ss advance any sum not exceeding three years' instsl Os or 945.,0001., but limiting the advance in all ca gi n seleb‘ e i oe i eu n ff; v t uetacl a hent c a,s, actually u ae Gentlemana thesel d l y i regulationsrepaidr:a di vn a havingintonc , efp t os h l ry e wport Exchequer.uoolpdaoab repaymentc be eudm aal door siele 5 : : : 0. , er uro e detr a._ re i o v ei rbi t o, r ° o: n vi e d e e e d ss i i n ty, th a e s existing ti ( n )i g i Act. lyli la tins of Sir D. NORREYS urged on the Govern ~ o er WO firs adoption of out-door relief, to adept the s'in,.„e," f or en, several Irish unions, in order to enable L c o L m o m i t o d o a f t i on. the Ex C _ . ih.ect, ' i ll :: preventing thepeelgeciPlee in regard to the repayments of the sd"°-- ses'" the T ir ne wo e rk n hke to o to , IiEQ IJ3 d CHANCELLOR marked that that was a totally different ses-1 3 11, -s ee could not passibly be included in the present, "d„ptiee would give no opinion as to thepropriety 13 ' 11 Leer' ht o Ass the Hon. Baronet's suggestion; but he rg ee i ni eo ol. that at present the amount repaid by tee ' n °pe very small, indeed not more, be believed, thLee d° l ,7e, or 11,000/,, though there was a very large C onne ll, ,e 0 Atter a few words from Mr. M. . O'' °• iteri . es' said that and the Chancellor of the Excheelof do! 0 that in making advances for the purpos e 9 • s 1111 . c p tte tie°, preference would be given to those co reed 0.00 had made repayments, the resolution was ng ie tton • House then resumed, and the re' ° - ord T e h re e d to be reported to-morrow (this deY)' . 13 ALIEN BILL. iti ' 01/ e te ..4 e Sir G. GREY, in moving d rel td 'rl• the second ba d t se el state ver • ) shot fly the reasons which t ore of Ministers to propose this measure, and vv,htlea to l/ t t e e main provisions. In the first lace, be wi l l' 0 t e . el most distinctly that her • •r P , Governme f i eliteesty 5 „ De ese i s le'' twined corre, es ttef - no doubt whatever as to the policy which had of late years regulated the •...-‘, ie hear. nd residence of foreigners in this c ountl t elet op , ) It had long been the boast of Ifgl‘ rj o sttif tt D o vas on all occasions the pro t e ctress c' t e . c f 00 4 0 principles throughout Europe, and that he o ilete of , a evays presented a refuge and asylum P en fro he from the force of political events, were &Iv es 0 0 0 `,. 0 ,. own country.—(Ht ar, hear. ) But the grenn.ur tr?e they proposed this Bill were . ' lf of se - protec tv ' H e 10 41) i ',lee 0 0 which were under all circumstances ree°gethis el' : o d, eient.—(Hear, hear.) The great advanteef foe t i had derived from the free admission ° s ell ' t o l at various periods of her history were t °° „ eben i e io. to make it necessary for him to advert t `' 0 0 1 '4? If ilip j and he time trusted that at no future t . e of ''' pit i such change in the policy and practic, te ke ett et; , meat or the Government in this resPe(ciwitt o' o 4 as should deprive the people of EDO'? ; 0 0- h ole times of the full benefit of that free adfnss-retl,te, el however, to events which had recently rod to . no ordinary time -(Hear)—and specials` f il t he P,l f ie, plicable to existing circumstances might, . til ' t he 6: 0 4 case, be necessary without interfering W 1 h oe h e if 00 t o policy the country had adopted. It niesteeo g ob lic 0 , served that a great impulse had lately ' to reE n g;! o l France and other countries of Europe t° eotb e i liol i D I principle. Of that principle he would snY n e stsv rh e e pt I while we did not interfere with foreigners ' f gar e el e e e in their own countries whatever form n re , to;0 ,i they pleased, we had a right to take inefes t2 , o osn l 'le 6 them from acting as the apostles of reptw o t eoilsel/ —(Hear, hear.) And there could be n o trie l t 4t emissaries had gone forth from those c _f ee eeteeeest had adapted republican principles tinteren'." - , e' l el pagate those principles, and to fe h l er co lic /44 established institutions of this and t hose °t " c 'ed'i,o' With regard to the governments of o ld - sty wherein the republican principle had be n t/ 0 0 was bound to say that there had beeninhtestbeFlie,e ever in their conduct which gave the: l l be e 4 , 1 f tor complaining of them. —(Hear.) 1 " -- s irr e lde s that those persons who had come for tbe .'0 o bi ,1 e ft did not belong, had done so against th e lv e trf sl edeill will of the Government of their o wn eet t h e iee t P e tte,e hear.) The Bill was restricted to th e and ("•v trollo'6', t o h f e preamble—of preserving the peace illP the kindom and would be limited to *c c . di er me a He considered ' that the times in which we t he vke some additional precautions on the pertf. t eloletl9 ment, in order to meet the designs ° I I " e lee it i %ei° e f reigaers to whom he had alluded, agaifotie to e ill i , of the country. It was proposed, W hos eer e i giv e ; O P e Government with powers similar totit giftoe'di former Alien Acts. With the am endin e l l oyl ev r e ` ,' i es of by the Noble Lord the Member for Pi be ref ti e Os would deal in halmComittee, and he d r a e e O s o, only to add, if foreignera disreee oh s 0, 0 , co , given them under the Bill, they would ° . of t c ' i 0 ,Pf penalties therein described. The ques t° ieb e if ) it' he 1g og e si P i one exclusively for Committee. But et el'''. 0, 0 1 4 serve that these who, by the imports soloo., mode of obtaining a certificate of naturebleed, f c ool took place in 1844, had been since ea t 7891. 11 ' II shillings, to obtain such to the n umber 0 excluded from the operation of the fil h sethe th e je b e Sir. W. MOLESWORTII contendedcreo o' o o 0 , 0 Hon. Baronet had not assigned any pr oof 0 0 0 4 1 11 reason .for this measure, nor given l' e nl e se liei l :f d e,, ° ( cessity while he galled up on the li n e s v g l: powers it contained on the ground of Its te es d ec o , the Government. The object of the wry C t le i t the executive Government with the e ' r e tiees 1 0 10 o r removing from this country certain, i - it & La c , p 0 $ 0; conduct the Secretary of State In e ig o eeter t e d ill, trust or suspicion. It proposed, "If peeete Die aliens not for any offence against teestopeetei9le quillity of the kingdom, but ter being, its lOW Secretary of State. It was identical