The Sun. — London, England, 1835-09-03 00:00:00

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ONE' , ,ceived tl, ;be hig bile ( nbassat with ,:: )fl of sing Pr° Isols ha s • Mol lel ler k Ste' ; ;3 hays' Spar ~ se, 81 ,4; ,S 5 o a 1 .....” 0 0 4 , ...... 'po " 2 I 17%; ~.••0 A ORijoRATION REFORM. TO TEE EDITOR OP THE SUN, ' lll,- -Tbe mare we consider the opinion which has been ex. pr S S " that Corporations are not proper depositories of hureh patrona,,, ,, e," the stronger trill be our conviction that it 11. vs. nnfounded. With regard to preferment in populous towns, here Councils can it be better pl ace d than in the hands of Town • 11 constituted up on the improved principles of the Ain. iSipal R eform Bill, and ow i ng the i r appo i ntment to the con ndenee of their fellow-citizens, in whom, in fact, the patronage is Vested. It seems to me, that it will be better with them than with the community at large, as avoiding the inconve niences of a popular election for a religious office. Better with them, than with the Ministers of the Crown, who, Whigs as well as Tories, overlook m er it i n o b scur i ty or at a di stance , ~ send down their favourites, or those for whom they are i mportun e d, to occupy stations which should have been filled b y l persons w h ose merits are well known to their neigh ,e.ers• Better, also, with the Town Councils, in order to give Play to freed om o f po li t i cal opinion among the clergy, and t air to.? reli eve them from the degrading influence of the conviction t their only chance in life is through the road of Court Better with such Town Councils, than with some noble Better or proprietor who has not the slightest connection ti,iiit.hherteh.beyparishioners, and looks only to having as good a Pro . vi sio n as can be exacted for a relative or dependent, and who led to give his furious support to every abuse. Better Who4ll with the Bishops, for reasons which will be manifest to those zhave observed the manner in which episcopal patronage is e le,ised. Better with such a Council, than with an Ecclesias. the % Corporation at a distance, who put all the great tithes into for living pocket s , an d l eave the off i c i ating Minister to depend t , 'wing on th e p i ty o f h i s parishioners, and even to be con lin,ted b y accepting the voluntary contributions of the dread ful Dissenters. In fine, if there is to be any change made upon the subject of ecclesiastical patronage—if municipalities, who a re , per apBl the fittest to exercise it, are to be deprived of it, let the ode subject be inquired into • and if it be taken from them, l e it also be taken from all other bodies and individuals, who `,;ave no better claim to it. As for compelling them to sell it for what it would fetch in the market, that would be most un st ; for they may good have public and religious ground s f o r eellsidering it of much more value than it would fetch in such a f°l:ced sale -- --such a glut of simony. What, i n which o f the world, could Mr. Goulburn mean, when he power of presenting to Chuch preferments 2101 Dissenters had never possessed before ? r " Can he, in be ignorant that they have all along possessed and ex leised it in conjunction with their fellow-citizens That col- Oporn between Churchman and Dissenter is the consequence Participation of the latter, is a notion quite unfounded. mn.„the contrary, it gives Dissenters an interest in the Church, 'wads the Clergy to be on friendly terms with the Dissenters. I remain, Sir, your's respectfully, RICHARD TAYLOR. Red Lion.court, Fleet-street. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL. eIr.eSterdaCHELSEA AND KENSINGTON. afternoon at three o'clock, a public Meeting of IB4tagnahTabitants of Chelsea and Kensington, was held . at . the Tr , "ern, Fulham-road, for the purpose of considering e suntr e ac th a most expedient to be adopted for securing to the ratios e full and speedy passing of the Municipal Corpo pu,,"B Reform Bill, in its oricinal state; and also for the to 4sx° considering. the propriety of presenting an Address to 3 'Nests's Ministers, approving of the firm and consis diourPanner in which they have uniformly resisted the insi sieoseamendtrients proposed to be made upon the Bill by the Th of Lords. Was want o f accommodation, o ti l • nec ting was numerously a n d respectshly att e nd e d, an d ape! , ai Iged, from to adjourn to the Mr. is el Ws snuRTON, M.P M.P. for Bridport, in the chair i t e enals.sia N stated that as a parishioner, and . as known a t ti ;"er t ain liberal pr i nc i p l es , h e h a d b een ca ll e d on to pres id e t s ,, ei e , Present meeting, the object of which was to take into tal e er ation a m easure w hi c h was a goo d one as i t came f rom kind c) s in mons, but whi c h h a d b een ren d ere d by th e L or d s a sto tia "i n ondescript. The course that the House of Com eniwozild now take would depend upon the vigilance and t fe iat r atesetir i n eof the people. The present circumstances dif n;af_orne respects from those which occurred at the the Reform Bill. The great body of the people to th e y la mented the concessions that were likely to be made b L 'r( l . B.—(Hear, hear.) It was probable the Bill would so e s i l l ti sse d m a modd state, and perhaps the Government act wisely in accepting of it as an instalment, with the h e n' . making it a basis of ultimately getting payment in shill lie tho ug h t t h e worst of the mutilations was that t "'ea had it i n v i ew to keep a large portion of the old h c i anzeillors i n office duri ng lif e . Thi s was lik e m i x i ng b a d htdtold with good. But y the course the ministers proposed .1 ! e, they would divert in some measure the evils which th e been intended. Another bad alteration in the Bill was P ro posal to make a certain pecuniary qualification ne vests, s rY to the election of councillors. That alteration was ujelssult pill to swallow ; but sometimes the draught that j e° r _ lll .canied the pill was even worse than the pill itself. eat laughter.) This pill was indeed accompanied by I'ooo Cl 7 draughts ; one was, that any person possessed of ti ler %sus to go before a set of town inquisitors, to see whe svae u ts ° was really possessed of that sum or not ; the other t " power that was iven to any informer to sue for a P f a rl i al lies, which would have the effect of exposing the private a ss °f individuals.—( Hear, hear.) Was it possible that (r.e°ramunity of freemen would ever submit to this ? sb e ' l r. of " No, no.") Rather than accede to it he would have uiaa a !I s l . thrown ont altogether. He was no revolutionist, but e irous to see affairs go on so as to allow all the indus tTevna classe s to attend to their own business, and secure to 45,4:helves the enjoyment of the fruits of their own industry. conduct of the Lords this session bad really driven men to some inquiry regarding the constitution of that House. p irti did not want to do away with that Estate, if they would s__Ye,hehave themselves, and pass such measures as were really ncial for the country. But if they continued to act as t w o.. , y One ; some nad latel d scheme must be devised for their " W a refor m . 1 )t . lumbe r of resolutions, expressive of the Meeting's appro di a t ,l ll , ° , the Bill as passed by the Commons, and of their great ah l o srProntnio n of theamendments proposed by the Lords,.. and ipthepterinteisiiistesoedo.f their confidence in his Majesty's Ministers, I W iz e ti r the House of Commons, founded on the reso- Z s ' was agreed to and numerously signed. TheetYcte of thaliks was then given to the Chairman, arid the i ng, after theee cheers for Mr. Warburtorn . broke up. bu s , roost numerous and respectable meeting was to th al Th"ednesday, in the Trades' Hall, at which a petition Pstiti ° `' °us e of Commons was unanimously adopted. The 'be 8111iTti concludes by expressing a hope that the principle_sz sztl isr not be weakened by the attempted mischief of the si ti tcn "e * it ss irwit:, ; -s wraE.—The electors of Peebles-shire having sent - , dat e f o s t ."Tl to Mr. Gibson Carmichael, who is now a Fan- Peebi t " representation of the county, to dine with . them was m .,, e s , the county town, on Monday last, Mr. Carmichael crs, ;;;, I a l ! Redpath toll-bar by a great number of the elee mays na::..uy the - trades of Peebles with their banners. We hit,hve'er witnessed any meeting where the speeches . were of 143 st b lib r O r more interesting character, abounding with the o .le at 7, 1 , manly, and sound constitutional doctrines; or uPt!Noid whi ch ther e was a fi rmer d e t erm i na tion expressed to is wro ; at every hazard, what is right, and to put down what Ittsi se g: • Seldom has a public meeting been held where such l'sAt enthusiasm was displayed.—Dunzfries Courier. pTuesday evening the Duchess of Kent and the pr • •• .0. v tctoria arrived at Kensington Palace, and will thor their &Tarture on Friday or Saturday for Baop atm, on a vist to the Archbishop of York, and will be pro ton at .ucrnersthe Grand York Musical Festival, which takes place Tuesday next in York Minster. Upwards of 600 per rii,,rnents are to terminate with a Grand Fanty w ß e a ck ll • Tarheehe:gaged on the occasion, and the e x -- • ' s o e n n e - Royal Highnesses, before they leave Yorkshire, pee‘ed to honour Earl Fitzwilliam with a visit at Went -GA -Lb House, and to be present at Doncaster Races. 4 . A P-is Grace th e D u k e of St. Al b ans w i t h the Duchess,s ~ l 'elh's Burdett (daughter of Sir Francis) attended by a an,%ndid retinu e , arr i ved in Carl i sle on Thursday morning clistiogui s h e d party travelled i n four carriages, the ser- Z nts w eark.og the green and silver livery which belongs to the a t t lis hrnent of his Grace as grand falconer. They remainid e ?roe ,Bush Inn, C ar li s l e , till F r id ay morn i ng, when they ee uedoxi tlieir route to Scotland. The Duchess appeared excellent health.— Whitehaven Herald. AR TIIOLOMEW FAIR.--The City Carnival, Bar- A lew Fair, will commenc e thi s d ay , accord i ng to custom. lover th e com i c treats prepared by the Thespians for the title o er2 f ‘. Th eof fun, it is said that they have one under the amusing Widow's Mite Defeated." min WA TER FORD ELECTION.—We have authority for :g• that C apta i n Wi ll i am Stuart has allowed himself to be epl"jrt nominatio n f or thi s county . Thi s i ntelligence will prove Y gratif y i ng to the friends of independence.— Waterford ir ontele. n . - ESCAPE OF A PRISONER FROM TIIE CUSTODY F,PIE StitGEANT- AT- ARMS.—It will be remembered that on th r k;ay last a report was made to the House of Commons, by Ch Orman of General Darling's Committee, Mr. Oswald, I the le_ prevarication of a witness of the name of Norman Mac .n, and he'was in consequence directed by the House to be lak e , . e . int o the custody of the Sergeant-at-arms, out of whose in -u,r ge he contrived to escape on Sunday night or Monday 1 11 °'' ni "g, in the following manner :—He slept at the West th ns,`er Hotel, Westrninger-bridge, and it was customary fur e Ill Ossenger of th e H ouse, i n w h ose i mme di ate custody he ti s, on his retiring to bed, to lock the room door. On Mon -441-110r. ning when the messenger went to Maclean's room, he ethst,‘ he was gone, and it appeared that he had fastened lT ll4 e tewei,q and a h an dk erc hi ef toget h er, b y w hi ch he had let oll self down ,from his ro om ( on t h e first floor) to th e ga r d en g _ 7 * Th e gk - r d en a b uts upon the river ; at the end of it is ifya about sixt e cn feet high, from which he must h ave jumped itntotlie mud and t:lth beiteatii ; from the marks that appeared fr svo : ell , l d 2eese emthat his body had b een i mmerse d i n i t, b ut which he subserviently extricat e d hi mse lf, as f ootmar k s ere :Itraced to the steps of the bridge, by which it is supposed 9cended and got clear tiff. He appears to have taken the a 'ltage of low water, as the footsteps were observed a con ,oeillisle distance in the bed of the river, and he was deterred ttt loalAy from proceeding immediately under the wall to the as a sewer divides them from the mud in which he was. elite has vet been discovered to his retreat. k murder 'has been committed at Leialilinbridge, drunken suable. RAVoroxra PARLIAMENTARY SUMMARY• In the Loans' last night several Bills were passed, others were advanced a s t age , an d some C omm itt ee Reports were brought up. Lord PLUNZETT noticed some mis statements in jurious to bis character, which were attributed to the Duke of CUMBERLAND in a speech made at the recent Orange Meet ing. The Illustrious Personage declared that in the language he had used on the occasion alluded to, he meant nothing per sonally offensive to the Learned Lord. Lord PLUNKETT deemed the explanation satisfactory, and here the matter ended. The Registration of Voters' (Ireland) Bill called forth con siderable discussion, to the report of which in another column we beg to point the attention of our readers. It will be seen that this measure was unceremoniously thrown out by their legislative Lordships.' In the CONIMONS' numerous petitions were presented, pray ing the House to enter into no compromise of principle with the other House on the subject of Corporation Reform. In reference to the Tower Hamlets petition, presented by Mr. CLAY, which he well supported, Dr. LUSHINOTON observed that it expressed the opinions of a majority of the wealth and respectability of a population amounting to 570,000 persons, who were resolute, by every constitutional means, to assert their rights. Some interesting conversation respecting the House of Lords followed. It was begun by Mr. SINCLAIR, who with singular sagacity asked certain questions as to what was to be done with the Lords. Mr. Ilesta and the Hon. Member for Bath both gave the solution sought. The Hon. Member for Middlesex said that the Lords were irresponsible, and a hindrance to good government ; next Session he should move the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into the number of the House of Lords—the constitution, qualifi cations, and privileges of that House—and how far it had ful filled the duties of legislation, Sm. The Belfast Election peti tion, complaining of the assessor, Mr. O'Dwyer, was received. The Lords' amendments on the Commons' Corporations Re form Bill were then entertained. After considerable discussion they were all gone through, and a Committee was appointed to draw up the reasons to be offered, on a Conference, to the Lords, for rejecting those of the amendments made by them. Several amendments were modified, and then adopted by the House. The 17th clause was objected to by Mr. C. BULLER, because "it went to throw the onus of proof as to the right of voting upon the voter, and not upon the objecting party. The Bill, as they had it now before them, was full of little amend ments of this kind, tending to ruin the intended operation of the measure. He would not attempt to remove them at pre sent, but wished the Bill to go forth in all its imperfections, in order that its friends might have an opportunity of correcting them effectually next year." Mr. SCARLETT, upon this, raised the finality cry for the qualification clause. Lord JOHN Rus- SELL proposed an amendment to the effect, that in the event of the party not continuing qualified during the time of re maining in office, the penalties should be deemed to be in curred. This modification was eventually, but not unresist, ingly, adopted. A good deal of discussion ensued on the Lords' amended clause involving the rights of Dissenters, and the question of Church patronage. Ministers proposed that Church property belonging to Corporations should be sold, under the superintendence and coatroul of the Ecclesiastical Board, to the end that no improper purchases should be made, and that the proceeds of these sales shall be vested in the public funds, and the annual interest, instead of the whole capital sum, shall be paid to the treasurer of the borough for borough purposes. THE LATE LOAN. MR. HUME'S RESOLUTIONS RESPECTING THE LOAN of FIFTEEN MILLIONS of MONEY CONTRACTED by the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ON THE THIRD OF AUGUST, 18.55. Ist. That the Loan of 15,000,000/. has been borrowed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer at the rate of 86/. 9s. sd. money, for every 1001. in Consols, as follows, viz. : He has given £7S Stock Consols, and 25 Reduced, =_—_£loo of 3 per cent. Stock for every £lOO, money; Also, 13s. 7d. of Long Annuities, terminable in 1860, equal in =£ll 7 1 cash to 161. 14s. 4d. for 1/ And 3 months interest due on ) Reduced, viz., from 6th April t k• to sth July on 25/. Add a discount for prompt pay-) ment of the 99/, remaini ng i n - - stalments 0 3 9 119 9= 13 10 7 Leaving £B6 9 5 —in money, as the price of every 100/. of Consols, which is equal to a rate of interest of 31. 9s. sd. per cent., or 3/. 9s. 4 67-100 d. 2d. Which appears by the following statement of the amount of stock, and the price of such stock given for every 1001., cash, viz. For 75/. Console, at M. 93. sd. £64 17 0,4 For 25/. Reduced, at 871. 4s. sd. For 133. 7d. of Long Annuity, at 16/. 14s. 4d per 1/. And discount for prompt payment... 1 19 9 £lOO 0 0 3d. That the following charges on the Consolidated Fund have been incurred for the said Loan of fifteen millions of money, as will appear on the books of the Bank of England, viz.-- For 11,250,0001. of Consols, payable from sth July, at 3 per cent. £337,500 For 3,750,000/. of Reduced, payable from sth April, at ditto ... Making a perpetual charge £450,000 And 101,8751. of Long Annuities, payable from sth April, 1835, to January, 1860 4th. That if the whole of the Loan had been raised in one stock, and that stock had been Three per Cent. Consols, at the price above stated of 861. 9s. 5d., the gross amount of Three per Cent. Capital Stock, added to the debt of the country, would be 17,346,8901., and a perpetual annual charge for the same of 520,406/. 14s. sth. That if the whole had been raised in Reduced Three per Cents. at the price of 871. 4s. fid., being the difference of 15s. of interest added to the price of Consols, the amount of Three per Cent. Reduced Capital Stock added to the debt of the country, would be 17,197,726/., and a perpetual an nuity of 515,931/. 153. payable from sth April, 1835. 6tb. That if the whole loan had been borrowed in Long Annuities, payable from sth of April, 1835, and terminating in January 1860, the annuity during that period would have been 897,3081. 7th. That if the Loan of 15 millions had been raised in the New Three and a half per Ceot. Stock, at the price of 971. in money for every 1001. Stock, and that the same discount had been allowed for prompt payment as on the present Loan, this would have given a net price, after deducting discount, of 951. Is. 7d. in money for every 1001. Stock; and, thereby the capital added to the debt of the country would have been 15,776,327/., and the perpetual annuity 552,171/. 9.1. payable from sth July, 1835 ; being at the rate of 3/. 13s. Bd. per cent. for money, or 31. 13s. 7 47-100 d. Bth. That the capital Stock, created by the present Loan of 15,000,0001. of money, when estimated in Consols, being equal to 17,346,8901., and the capital, if raised in a Three and a Half per Cent. Stock, being only 15,776,337/., the increase in the capital of the debt by the present Loan, as compared with a Loan in the New Three and a Half per Cent. Stock, is 1,570,563/. _ _ 9th. That if the Loan had been contracted in the New Three and a Half per Cent. Stock, at the price of 97/., with a guarantee against the reduction of inte res t f or 15 years; and that at the en of that term the Three and a Half par Cent. Stock were reduced to a Three per Cent. Stock, the compa rison with the present contract would be as follows : To borrow in a per Cent. Stock at the price of 971., reduced by x . discount to 951. Is. 7d., i s t o p a y '" interest at the rate of The present Loan is contracted for t 3 9 5 at the rate of interest of Showing a greater rate of interest of £0 4 3 paid on the 3i per cent. Loan. which difference of 4s. 3d. in the rate of interest, is an an nuity ; and an annuity of 4s. 3d. interest being reckoned at 3i per cent. will increase in fifteen years to a sum of 41. 2e., which sum again, interest being reckoned at 3 per cent., is equivalent to a perpetual annuity of 2s. sd. ; and, therefore, supposing the 31 per cents. to be reduced to 3 per cents. after fifteen years, the amount will stand thus : The rate of interest at which the present Loan is contracted for is, The rate of interest on a 3i per Cent. Stock, reduced to a 3 per Cent. £3 0 0 Stock, is, at the end of 15 years... Add the perpetual annuity arising from the loss of 41. 25., being the 0 2 accumulation of the excess of inte rest of 4s. 3d. paid during 15 years £3 9 5 , 3 2 5i Showing a difference of £0 6 111 per cent. payable, for ever after, on the whole 15 millions, as at present contracted for, more than would have been payable if the Loan had been raised as a 31 per cent. Loan, as stated in Resolution 7. 10th. That the difference of 6s. 111 d. per cent. upon fif teen millions, constitutes a permanent annuity of 52,187/.los. ; but this annuity, though permanent, after it has once begun, is a reversion, the payment of which commenees at the end of fifteen years, and the present value of which, interest being reckoned at three and a half per cent. during fifteen years, and at three per cent. for eves after, is 1,0381. 12s. 11th. That, besides the above loss to the public of 1,038,341/. 12s. arising from the difference of charge for the annuity, there will be an additional loss to the public of 1,570,563/. by the increase of capital of the National Debt, as shown in the Bth Resolution. _ _ 12th. From these facts it appears, that if the Chancellor of the Exchequer had raised the fifteen millions in a three and a half per cent. stock at 971„ reducible in fifteen years to a three per cent. stock, this would have been equivalent to a net price of 921. 9s. Id. for 100/, Consols, instead of the net price of 80/. 9s. 5d., which he receives by the present contract ; being a loss of 5/. I 9s. Bd. per cent., commencing from the present time ; and exclusive also of the increased amount of the capi tal of the debt. Tice public ale much indebted to Mr. Hume, and Committee of the House of Commons, for bringing forward resolutions for " the distribution of Acts of Parliament" through the nation. These are now to be supplied and cir culated not only to every member of the Legislature, but to all our distinguished literary societies ; also to all magistrates throughout the kingdom, by whom they arc to be retained as public records, and hike. isc to the public at the charge of six farthing, a sheet. • THE SUN,- LONDiati, THURSDA,Y, SEPTEMRER 3, 18-35. WESTMINSTER ADDRESS. - - SECOND EDITION. SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock. South-street, Sept. 1, 1835. hasten to acknowledge having received a copy of the resolutions agreed to at a public meting of the house holders of the parish of St. James's, Westminster. I request you to accept for yourself, and to convey to those who have deputed you, the expression of the lively satisfaction with which my colleagues and myself have received this decla ration of the confidence which is reposed in us ; and permit me to add the assurance that nothing is so much calculated to en courage us to persevere in those measures, which we deem right and expedient, than to find them sanctioned by the appro bation of our fellow citizens. TH iri PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Lord DEN MAN took Li. scat on the woolsack at five o'clock. The. Earl of GLENGALL presented a petition from the Proprietors of Drury-lane Theatre, against the Music and Dancing Bill. Lord BROUGHAM said not one person less would go to the Theatre in consequence of that Bill becoming law—then how could the Bill afFect the interest of the petitioners ? The Marquis of SALISBURY was favourable to giving the poorer classes every facility for enjoying themselves in a rational manner; yet he felt bound to object to the Bill, be cause he thought it would interfere with the private inte rests of the petitioners and others. Lord BROUGHAM moved the third reading of the Bill. The Marquis of SALISBURY moved that it be read a third time this day three months. The amendment was put and carried without a division. IRISH CHURCH BILL. I remain, Sir, you:• raithful a.d dented servant, MELBOURNE We understand that Lord Morpeh ha 3 conferred the post of Chief Clerk of the Irish Offic at Dublin, on Mr. M'Donnell, son of the eminent physician of aat name of Bel. fast, and himself creditably known for his liberal opinions and high attainments. We understand that the return of Lord William Hervey from his mission to Madrid is prevented by the alarm ing state of health of his brother, Lord Ge3rge Hervey. LORD BRECKNOCK.—The title of Brecknock, the second title of the Marquis of Camden, and borne by courtesy by the Marquis's only son; who married last week the eldest daughter of the Bishop of Rochester and Lady Sarah Murray, was formerly one of the titles of the noble family of Neville. " The great Earl of Warwick," Richard Neville, surnamed " The King-maker," was Lord of Glamorgan and Brecknock. The Neville family, tracing an illustrious unbroken male descent for more than eight centuries, have enjoyed in their different branches the following titles : —The baronies of Bergavenny or Abergavenny, Le Despeneer, Fauconberg, Latimer, Breck nock, and Braybroke, Glamorgan ; the Viscounty of Neville the Earldoms of Westmorel a nd, S a li s b ur y, W arw i c k, Kent,; Northumberland, and Abergavenny ; the Marquisate of Mon tacute, and the Dukedom of Bedford. ORANGE LODGES.—The exertion 3 to apprehend Colonel Feirman are still carried on with the greatest vigilance, but without success. The Colonel has hitherto eluded all pursuit. Lord LYNDIIURST, on presenting a petition, took occa sion to say that lie had learned with much surprise that Minis ters did not intend to send down to the other House the Irish Church Bill, because they considered it would not give satis faction to the majority there. Ile felt himself bound to condemn such conduct, which must 'necessarily beget very great alarm in the minds of the Protestant population in Ireland, leaving as it did the whole of the Irish Protestant clergy totally un provided for for another year.—( Hear.) He begged to state that very great responsibility would rest upon the shoulders of those who pursued such a course—( Cheers. ) Viscount MELBOURNE was perfectly ready to admit the great extent of the evil alluded to by the Noble and Learned Lord—he was perfectly aware of the evil of leaving the question of tithes unsettled for another year, but he must deny most positively that the great responsibility of the case rested with the Ministry—it rested on the shoulders of those who had felt it their duty to oppose the measure.—( Cheers.) Last year an opportunity was afforded the House to set the question at rest—that opportunity was re jected—the necessary consequence of that was the pro posal of another Bill this session, coupled with other conditions, which the interval had rendered necessary —that opportunity their Lordships had thought proper also to let pass, and it had been rejected. He now could not for a moment guess at what new measure was to be brought forward for the relief of the clergy of Ireland ; but he was certain that the responsibility rested not with the Ministry, but with the majority of their Lordships, who had rejected all those measures.—(Loud cheers.) Lord LYNDHURST denied that the majority of that House had rejected any measure having for its object the re covery of tithes. The had chargedD u k e theof \ V in - E a t o I r t I y N o G f T t O h e N i r said Lordships t the N o i e t h V is havinge unt rejected the measures for the relief of the Clergy of Ire land. The Bill which they were said now to have re jected was not for the recovery of tithes, but for the robbery of the Church by its appropriation of its revenues— it was divided into two parts, and might have very well been car ried through the House. By it 658 benefices were to be swamped—if Ministers wished to destroy the Protestant Church of Ireland, they ought to come down to their Lord ships' House, and openly declare their intention, and keep it &stela from the question of tithes--let them try the question upon its own merits.—( Cheers.) The Marquis of L ANSDOWNE said the Bill which their Lieutenant-Colonel Keightley, commanding the 35th Regiment, denies that there is an Orange Lodge existing in the regiment ; there was formerly a warrant in the corps, which was returned by the men voluntarily to the Grand Lodge of England, upwards of two years ago, but no meeting or assembly has ever been held under that warrant for the last ten or eleven years. Letters from Vienna dwell upon the continually suffering condition of the Emperor, and add that it is doubtful whether his Imperial Majesty will be able to repair to Toplitz. It is thought that in such case one of the Archdukes will be commissioned to represent him, too many eminent personages having been invited to the meeting for its being postponed.— Augsburg Gazette. Yesterday, a Court of Directors was held at the East India-house, when the Right Hon. Lord Auckland took the usual oath as Governor-General of India. WURZBURGII UNIVERSITY.- WITRZBURGII, Auo. 11.—Our University, which always used to have 800 or 900 students, has declined very much, on account of the political and other conjunctures. The circumstance that has done it the most injury is the departure of Professor Schon lien, who is gone to Switzerland. Thus in the winter half- year we had only 408 students, and tl.is summer there are only 355. _ By advices from Surinam, we learn that Prince William Frederick, third son of his Royal Highness the Prince of Orange, and grandson of the King of Holland, had arrived in that colony in the Dutch frigate Ceres. The dis tinguished and royal visitor was of course received with every mark of respect and demonstration of loyalty by the Governor of the colony and its inhabitants. Lordships had rejected was one eminently calculated to en sure the Irish Church from the dangers which unfortunately now surrounded it.—( Cheers.) If that healing measure had been agreed to it would have conferred the greatest benefits on that Church. The Noble Duke well knew that some such Bill was necessary. Why, then, say that those who sup ported the Bill were anxious for the destruction of the Church ? If Noble Lords were anxious that the Bill as it now stood should pass into a law, why did not some of them take up the Bill and carry it down, and see how the other House of Parlia ment would deal with it. He for one could not adopt any other mode of dealing with the Bill than that taken by the Noble Viscount. The Earl of RODEN and the Earl of WICKLOW both warmly condemned the conduct of Ministers in stopping the proceedings on the Bill. The Jupiter frigate, Hon. Capt a i n G rey , i s or d ere d to be ready for sea by the 20th inst., to take out Lord Auck land (the new Governor-General) to Calcutta. His Lord ship gave a farewell dinner on Tuesday evening, at the Ad miralty, to the Marquis of Lansdowne, Viscount Melbourne, Earl of Minto ' Viscount and Viscountess Howi e k, L or d an d Lady Robert Grosvenor, Earl of Ilchester and Lady Theresa Strangways, Earl and Countess of Lichfield. and Major-Ge neral Sir S. Whittingharn. His Lordship has received his outfit of 5,0001. from the Court of Directors, who give his Lordship their farewell banquet_at the Albion Tavern, on Sa turday next. ACCELERATION OF THE MAIL BETWEEN LI VERPOOL AND LONDON.-An arrangement has been made by the Postmaster-General, which, by accelerating the pace of the mail coach from Liverpool to London, and by starting from Liverpool forty-five mir.utes sooner, will bring the mail into London at seven P. M., which will give to Liverpool a daily direct post to the Continent instead of twice a week only, and will also save twenty-four hours' delay on all let ters passing through London. This desirable arrangement is to commence this day ( September 3). The mail will then start from the Post-office at Liverpool at half-past nine, and the box will be closed at nine. This will not at all curtail the time for writing to London, as a second bag will be despatched for London every morning at eight o'clock, the letter-box being open during the night and till half-past seven the next morning, and by this conveyance letters are delivered in London at the same time as those sent by the mail of the previous night. Lord BROUGHAM contended that it was the duty of a Government to carry through their own measures, but not the measures of others, of which they disapproved, and of which they had stated their disapproval. Some surprise had been ma nifested because his Noble Friend had risen and said he would not go on with the Bill, by which he had saved their Lordships two or three nights' debates. But suppose his Noble Friend were to go on, it would be received in the other House, be cause it was a different, mutilated, bad, and unjust measure, and not the measure which that House had passed. (LEFT SPEAKING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. TIMBER DUTIES. Mr. ROBINSON presented a petitionfrom GOO merchants of Montreal, and one from persons engaged in the timber trade in the City, praying that no alteration might be made in the timber duties. By the proposed alteration our North Ame rican Colonies would be ruined, and they would be rendered un able to pay for the manufactures of this country which they re quired. Notwithstanding what the late Chancellor of the Exche quer had prophesied, trade had not been increased with France ; on the contrary, it was threatened with ruin. He could not but think that Committees upon trade, commerce, &c., were mere farces, because they were always appointed by the Go vernment of the day, and re-echoed their sentiments. He was sure that if any Member would examine the evidence given on this question he would see that it was in favour of the pre sent scale of duties. The first trip of the aerial ship has been under the care of John Doe and Richard Roe ; it was seized for debt on Monday, and removed in three waggons. THE RECORDER'S REPORT.—Yesterday the Re corder made his report to his, Majesty of the undermentioned capital convicts who were convicted at the last Session of the Central Criminal Court, viz. ;Richard Lakey, 29, cutting and wounding ; Thomas Dominick Feeley, 53, forging a will ; Daniel Bryant, 18; Thomas Wright, 16; John Williams, ali as Weatherstone, 17 ; Robert Higg s , 17, a ll for burglar Y ; Thomas Hoblas, 19, robbery. All of whom his Majesty has been gra_ ciousle pleased to respite during pleasure. By the death, which we lately announced, of Joh n Biddulph, Esq., of Burton-park, in Sussex, that beautiful place devolves, under his will, upon his cousin, Anthony Wright, Esq., of Waltons, in Essex, who, pursuant to the re quest of the deceased, is to take the name and arms of Bid clulph, jointly with his own. Biddulph Castle, in Staff,rd shire, and Brambletye-house, in Sussex, descended to the above Anthony Wright and Thomas Stonor, Esq., of Stonor_ park, in Oxfordshire, in equal moieties under the will of Richard Biddulph, Esq., uncle to the deceased.--.21/ 017 6, 19 Paper. Letters were received from Genoa yesterday to the 25th ult., which give a most fearful detail of the progress of the cholera there. The people were quitting the place in great alarm. A religious procession had taken place with great solemnity. At the date of the letters leaving, however, a northerly wind had set in, and great hopes were entertained that by this the contagion would be arrested. WHALES IN BERWICK BAY.—There are at pre sent in Berwick Bay, near to Holy Island, several whales of the species Balalla Physalus, or fin-fish, which may be seen at a considerable distance blowing water to a great height, as they pursue the numerous shoals of herrings now in the bay, and on which they feed. Large parties of the numerous vi sitors at present enjoying sea bathing at Spittal, in taking a trip to Holy Island, have had opportunities of seeing these huge monsters, measuring from 50 to 60 feet in length, plung ing about within musket- shot, and spouting water in great quantities to a considerable height. A remarkable fish has this week been exhibited by Mr. Kelsall, fishmonger of Chester, which, from its rare ap pearance in this quarter of the globe, attracted the attention of the curious. It was caught in the Weir nets, in the Bay of Llandudn, near Conway ; its weight was about 901 b., its length about 4 feet, its breadth upwards of 8 inches, its colour a silvery-gold, tinged with red. It proved to be the Chryso tosus, or Opah. It is found in the Northern and Atlantic seas, and from the inspection of drawings in the Museum at Paris, Lacepede is disposed to consider that it likewise inha bits the Chinese seas. Dr. Mortimer says that the Prince of Anamaboe, on the cout of Africa; recognized in an English specimen, this fish, which be said was common on his own shores, and very good to eat.—Macclesfield Courier. THE TEA TRADE.—The sale at the East India Mr. CALLAGHAN presented a similar petition, but from what place did not transpire. Mr. VI L LEERS said he represented a constituency who were decidedly opposed to all restrictions upon trade, and who would be led to look upon the arguments of the Hon. Member for Worcester as vain declamation.—( Hear, hear.) These duties united all the disadvantages that were combined in every other tax. He compelled the community to pay the hicrliest price for the worst article, and prevented them from using the best article at the lowest possible cost.—( Hear, hear.) The object of the trade was to afford every possible advantage and enjoyment of life at the least possible cost, and unless the Hon. Member could show that reciprocity prombted that object, he could not show any connection between reciprocity and the trade. He believed, that mischievous as he considered the duties upon foreign trade, that the timber duties were far more injurious. He should like to see those principles acted upon in foreign countries, so as to induce this coun try to call for the removal of all injudicious restrictions. Dr. BO WRING--They all desired reciprocity, but not all on one side. All that he and those who thought with him desired, was to give the capital and industry of this great country fair play. Sir F. TRENCH rose to request that his Majesty's Mini sters would not take advantage of the interval between this and the meeting of Parliament, to begin, or to lay the foun dation of any proceeding founded upon the resolutions of the Committee upon the Timber Duties, until that House should have had an opportunity of discussing them. He was obliged, at the desire of his constituents, to take this course, which might be interpreted into a suspicion of unfairness, which per sonally he did not entertain. Mr. WARBURTON—There never was an instance like this, where they had given individuals to a certain extent so monstrous a protection as they had given to the shipowners, and that class of the community contended for the perpetuation of these restricted duties. What was really their proposition ? Formerly in 1822, when the former Committee sat, the propo sition was this—that whatever difference there was in freight between bringing timber from the Baltic and from Canada, that to that extent they should give the Canadas pro tection. More than that, they said they would not only give their protection to the extent of the difference of freight, but to the extent of 50 per cent. on the prime cost. Those per sons, however, were not satisfied with that, nor would they be satisfied till they had complete exclusion. - Mr. THORNEI.EY greatly rejoiced to seethis step taken with respect to the timber duties, and he hoped that another session of Parliament would advance Free Trade much more th..n it was at present. Mr. ROBINSON stated that if he was in error on this subject, Mr. Huskisson, and several who had gone before him, were also so. He trusted the House would recollect that they were not infallible. Mr. STRUTT thought the proposition of the Hon. Mem ber for Worcester unreasonable, as he objected to the reduc tion of the duty, which would lead to free trade. He hailed the recommendation of the Committee with great satisfaction, as it appeared something like an approximation to free trade. Mr. P. M. STEWART thought there was nothing in the evidence justifying the conclusion to which the Committee on the Timber duties had arrived. He did not mean to advocate the old-fashioned doctrines of Exclusive Trade, but he hoped the House would be * cautious in meddling with subjects without the clearest demonstration for the necessity of doing so. Ile objected to the Canadas being spoken of, not as an inte gral portion of that country, but as a nation opposed to them. If Hon. Members,would only prove that the interest of the consume r would be consulted by th e p ro p os ition of the Com mittee, it should have his (Mr. Stewart's) warmest support. But in his (Mr. Stewart's) opinion, from the manner in which the evidence had been prepared, there was no case made out to justify the proposition of the Committee. Mr. HUME wished the Hon. Member who bad last spoken had adhered to the recommendation laid clown by himself, not to enter further upon the discussion. If the Hon. Member claimed the right of going to the cheapest butcher and baker, why should he deny him (Mr. Hume) the privilege of going to the cheapest timber-merchant ? He must protest against the unfair argument of the Hon. Member for Worcester, that no man could accuse him of ignorance. Why, he ( Mr. Hume) accused the Hon. Member of ignorance. The Hon. Member had charged him ( Mr. Hume) with being a visionary, but he would tell the Hon. Member that he was ignorant.—( A laugh.) So far as he (Mr. Hume) understood the speech of the Hon. Member, his opinions appeared to be those of a person not only ignorant of political economy, but his arguments ineon• sistent with common sense. If the suggestion of the Hon. Member was to be followed up, in order to get good timber, they should send ships to the Baltic, and from thence to Ca- Ilasla—(Elear)—so that instead of having that timber home in two months, the vessels would have to go all round the world, and realer be much improved by doubling Cape House proceeded with animation yesterday; not less than be tween 18,000 and 19,000 chests having passed daring the day. The finer breaks of black leaf congous were sold for 3d. per pound higher than in June last, and most teas possessing strength realized an advance of Id. to 2d. per pound. Upwards of 35,000 chests have already passed the sale ; bat a good deal was again refused at the taxed prices yesterday. In all it Is expected that the trade will refuse 10,000 chests of the East India Company's present declaration. The change of weather, which was so greatly de sired, commenced at Dorchester on Friday evening last, by a violent storm of thunder and lightning, accompanied by torrents of ra:n, aryl every day and night since there has been a succes sion of refreshing showers. The rain on Fri lay seems, from the accounts received, to have been general in the midland, eastern, and western counties.—Dcr.sk t Chronicle. MAIDSTONK.—Our duty as hop reporters is 110 W drawing to a close. The commencement of the picking puts an end to much of the uncertainty which up to this period un avoidably prevails respecting the quality and quantity of the crop, and speculations and conjectures give place to matters of fact. In many grounds in this district the process of picking commenced yesterday, and by the end of this week or the be ginning of next (when operations will be commenced in Mr. Ellis's extensive plantations) it will have become general. We continue to receive complaints from many quarters of the state of the plant, and confident predictions that the duty will fall much below its present estimate. Mr. Ellis, we hear, does not expect to grow more than he did last year, when the duty pa! , : , only 189,713/. and many other planters express a similar opi nion respecting their grounds. But- for the rain last v. , eek, which forced the sap up again into the bine of plants which had previously appeared ripe, the picking would doubtless by this time have been general.—Maidstone journal. -- STATE OF TRADE.--There have been pretty brisk markets at both the coloured and white cloth at Leedsl—prices are rather higher on some descriptions of pods. There has also been more business done in the warehouses during the week, than has bean the case for some time past. Prices have been firm at the Halifax market. At Bradford there has been ne alteration. The demand for yarn eiltinues steady, and prices, though steadily maintained, have not advanced a fraction. The Rochdale flannel market has been brisk, but prices remain stationary. At Manchester trail ! has been ra ther dull—ticks were very flat—quiltings were 1 ass jug uired after —and the yarn market was also very slack,..-,4:eds Mercury. Horn. Before the Hon. Member accui-ed_him ( Mr. Home) of bein g -visionary, let hire .be -satisfied .that he was- solid hinself. The trade of that country did not reculire any of the extravagant preposterous pronostiois of the Hon. Member. The way to promote the be=t interests of the country was to facilitate the exchanges. The Ho.i. Member re lied upon the opinion of Mr. Huskisson; but the Hon. Member should recollect that a protest was entered against that opinion, and what had then been foretold had since actually taken place. On these grounds, he had no hesitation in charging the Hon. Member with being a theorist, and being entirely ignorant of the principles of political economy.—( Hear.) Me. ROBINSON—The Hon. Member is determined to have the last word, and I have no objection to ;tilos him. Mr. V. SMITH observed that the arguments of the Hon. Member for Lancaster, relative to the proceelin - 4s of the Committee, were likely to mislead the House. He thought the better way would be to wait until Hon. Members had the evidence taken by the Committee before them. Mr. P. M. STEWART explained. After a few words from Mr. LABOUCIIERE the peti tion w s laid on the table. Mr. CALLAGHAN presented a petition from Colic apinst the present duties. Mr. MA RSL AND presented a petition from Stockport in favour of the Corporation Reform Bill, in which the pe!i tioners deprecates the alterations made by the House of Lords. Mr. WILBRAH A►l presented a petition to the same effect from South Lancashire. IRISH CHURCH. An EloN. MEMBER presented a petition from Sheffield in support of the Irish Church. The Hon. Member, whose name was unknown in the Gallery, said, that out of 399 petitions on this subject which had been sent to this House, only 14 were in favour of the appropriation clause in the Irish Church Bill. • Lord MORPETH made a few observations which were in audible in the gallery. Mr. GRATTAN remarked that the Protestant Establish ment had been on the stilts in Ireland for the last three years, and now the stilts were rotten, down it must come. Mr. O'CONNELL knew nothing of the stilts to which his Honourable Friend had referred, nor was it his desire to see that rottenness he spoke of, but while he acknowledged that the petitioners had a perfect right to their opinions, he must observe that the logic was rather against them. The population of Ireland was eight millions, of which only eight hundred thousand were Protestants; and therefore, as sure as any rule in Cocker,.9-10ths of the population formed a surplus. Would the Hon. Member opposite like the same plan to be en forced in England ? Would he not think it a great hardship if the Protestants, who formed the majority in this country, were compelled to pay for the support of the Roman Catholic priests? He hoped, notwith standing all the opposition displayed in another place, that this crying evil would be remedied. - -- --_--....------ ---- ) ..vith the itelier it::t the Bill weald be rd.:trued to oloen , . 11044...haiir, ) .......5 iii.b..is t....ck ci.itli. -440111 y t 0 . 010 :, . .7 , uro co uld net tette eny step mere preeterelto 1 .. to the IIII:. l.'-l„elor e se, he le.lieeeii, ceuld'Oe ieero ee::,:o to, the vete. eee,e) , oee all edroeafed than : ;T.ieg such • a eeep.. His Hen ee eeele ccieed s;ii , i 1:1 weeited thet to be done for the purpeee of discussing the Bill,— in . Cl.3e it ci,l. cot pass. If htecthe Chenceller el-the-Exche quer) war, t), erietemplate tlect alternative they nould have the opportuele ol rlieeussing, if not rospectfulli but reselu l-, - ( H ose ,' t ee - ).___end that opeewizintly he was yea:le 'to avail him: :: o ( . ii . the Bfll pissed,i..v was requie.' : --if it cild net 1 - ass, teo elee , e „ e . e e e. :d be afihrtieti them _,/ th e re:teeming :A' e• , ;e , .. eel , they would titan be called neon to deal ei-ii.-- ( , e ~,.. ) But he eetreetcd Hon. I'lle,ebees not to let triene.el..e e e-, a rnement pregnant • with important interests, vu ,ee ti e ' view of the case, take a step which trout roe-. :e e. - :elly interfere to preveat the accomplishment of their .. : :e!.'. i ...:id not rely murili on the argument that the pesteteoenent of the Bill was, in fact, entailing another wet ,k cn the , -- ei for the Bill must go through its regular course in the lletoe of Lords. It was not on these grounds he ohjeeted, bat upon plain cud in telligible grounds, which he had stated, and which the Eon.. Member must admit, wel_dd bind h:ni to give up his motion. He did not eels this cor the pet pose of avoiding or prevetiting discussion, but it was because he trusted and believed that the Bill which they had discussed with good temper and conciliation (Cheers)—to carry which Hen. Members had suspeaded, but not abandoned, their opinions, and should cat be now, marred by a course which would b e calm; Al,l to ren der the Bill acceptable to the other branch of the Legisieture. He only asked of' his Hon. Ricied to per severe, to be consistent with himself, aed to give them an opportunity of passinee the all in the same spirit in . which the Bill had Leers carried through that House. He earnestly entreated his Honourable. Friend's attention to the advantage of sending up . the Bill unaccompanied by the appearance of a threat, which. would be likely to enlist angry passions. On these' grounds he humbly entreated the House net, to aequiesee in the proposition now made, or he would rather say, he mantel:Al of his Hon. Friend to withdraw his motion. Mr. O'CONNELL hoed his Hers. Friend would cornply With the request of the Right Honourable Gentleman, as no . reasonable advantage ciuld be gained by it. As to stopping the supplies that could not now be done, ant.l, therefore the proposition came too late. Every advantage thet might be gained would Le equAlv gained licer the Bill had been rejected—( Hear, hoer,)—and with the addition that they had been actuated throughout by good temper and con mliation.—( Hear. ) If he did not fear that his advocacy would lo likely to endanger the passing of the Bill, he would say more ueoa the subject. In any assembly which could be actuated by such paltry and pitiful grounds of opposition such a proceeding woul.i be considered a ground of i nsu lt.—( H ear .) He trusted, therefore, his Hon. Friend would allow the Bill to be read a third time. Mr. fIUME was of opinion that the powei of putting the supplies into whatever hands they pleased. If they could not now stop the supplies, as the Honourable and Learned Member for Dublin had asserted, where was the It - rn in postponing this Bill till Monday ? Could Members be ip;norant of what had taken place last Session when Ministers, in the full confi dence of the people, were turned cut of power? Either the House of Commons had the power to withhold the Su plies, or it had not—if it had, now was the time to exercise that' power. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE said—the second speech of the Hon. ember rendered it still m , re - necessary that they should pass tl-e Bill. He - thought frc m the unximity which existed in House from th e ras itig of the Bill, the step of the Right Hon. Gentleman would weaken the Ministry. Mr. DUNCOMBE wished to know whether that House was in a condition to stop the supplies or not.—(" No 1" from the Chancellor of the Exchequer.) GI ciat misapprehen sion on this subject out of doors. Petitions were pouring in every day; he had received one from a large portion of his constituents requesting him to vote fur stop ping the supplies, in the event of the House of Lords muti lating the Reform Bill. He wished to know whether they had the power now to stop the supplies? Mr. VAR BURTON conceived that they could not insert a clause in this Bill without the concurrence of the other House. There were already Exchequer Bills enough in the hands of Governmet,to enable them to carry on their functions. of Government till they met again, and then he wished to know what was the mysterious power to which his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) alluded. They had no such power in their hands. They had it indeed, if they had thought proper to exercise it, before the Supplies were vcted. Mr. WILKS suggested to hiss Hon. Friend to withdraw his motion, as it could be attended with no practical ad vantage. Mr. HUME contended that that House had the 'power to stop or limit the Supplies, if they thought proper to exercise it.—( Hear, hear.) If, however, the Right Hon. Gentleman. thought it would. show a want of confidence in Ministers, or that it would endanger the great measure of Municipal Reform, he undoubtedly would hesitate to press his motion ; that was the only ground on which ha would con sent to withdraw it. Lord J. RUSSELL—It certainly would show a want of confidence in Ministers if such a motion were curie]. The e certainly was do way in his opinion in which a want of con's,.. donee in Ministers could he more thoroughly shown. Mr. FIUME—Then, Sir, I will withdraw my motion.—. (Cheers.) RAfter some observations from Mr. Ruthven, the Bill was rend a third time and passed, and Mr.. Bernal was orde,•ed to take it up to the House of Lords. • (LEFT SITTING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought up the Report of the Select Committee appointed to search the journals of the House of Lords, to see what had become of two Bills, the Execution of Wills Bill, and Administrators Bill. He was sure that at all times he should be found exceed ingly unwilling to give offence to that I louse, much more at this moment. He would therefore content himself with saying that it appeared that these two Bills had been react a second time on the 22d of June,,and referred to a Select Committee, and no further trace of them could be found.—( A laugh.) Dr. LUSHINGTON—The proceedings that had been adopted elsewhere respecting those two measures required that they should be brought under the notice of that House, and he trusted that he would not be thought impertinent, if he stated briefly the circumstances under which they were introduced, and the manner in which they had been treated elsewhere. They had been founded on the Report of the Ecclesiastical Cummissioners, of whom two were Lord Chief Justices—the late Chief Justice, and the Chief Baron, and they had been produced with their unanimous assent. The propositions also un derwent the discussion of the Commissioners of Real Broperty, and received their approbation. The:Bills were then introduced by his Hon. and Learned Friend the Attorney- General, and debated in that House and referred to a Se lect Committee up stairs ; and as they were of great importance to the welfare of the community; as tending to remedy some of the greatest grievances the present state of the law inflicted upon his Majesty's subjects, the Bills were passed after great consideration. The Bills were then sent up to the House of Lords in the course of June ; they were read a second time, and committed to a Select Committee ; and though this was now the third day of September, the Journals of the Lords had been searched, and no fur ther notice was taken of measures which so deeply af fected the interests of the people. It was his duty, as the Representative of a large portion of that people, to see what had become of important legislative measures, in volving no political consideration—exciting no strife between adverse parties, andi that House would not do its duty to the public whom they represented if, upon similar conduct, being adopted by the other House, they did not take all con stititutional means in their power to carry into effect those measures which they deemed essential td the welfare of the people.—(Loud cheers.) Had this been an isolated case, he might be content to pass it by, after saying that it might accidentally have escaped notice ; but it was only one of a great series of measures which had been neglected or rejected, and he thought that it was his duty to call the atten tion of the House to it.—( Loud cheers.) Sir E. KNATC lIBUL L did not rise to underrate the importance of these measures ; on the contrary,khe felt, and admitted, that they were measures of great importance, and deserved serious consideration. But he was not prepared to admit that upon the footing of neglect of the interests of the people these measures had not progressed in the other House to the extent which the Hon. Member anticipated. That delay was owing to the absence on the Circuit of certain Learned Lords,whose legal experience was necessary to enable the House of Lords to come to a proper consideration of those Bills. If that was not sufficient, how, he would ask, did it happen that a Noble Individual in the other House, who was so for ward to advocate the interests of the people, had not forced forward these Bills, if he thought them necessary ? He be lieved it was generally understood that both those measures were to be brought forward at an early period of the next session. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL did not make any accu sation upon the other House. The Bills had been referred to a Select Committee, and be hoped that even during the present Session the Report might be made, and the Bills might be read a third time and passed. Lord HO WICK moved the third reading of the Militia Pay Bill. Mr. HAVES wished to take that opportunity to draw the attention of the House to the expressions of a Noble and Learned Lord in the House of Lords, with respect to the Imprisonment for Debt Bill. That Noble and Learned Lord had stated that that Bill had been smuggled through the House of Commons. Now he begged to say, that a more unfounded statement had never been made.—Cries of " Order, order ! " and " Chair, chair ! " The SPEAKER trusted that the Hon. Member would see the policy of not bringing forward subjects that would pro voke a debate in that House upon what had taken place in the House of Lords.—( Cheers.) Mr. HAWES said it was not his intention to provoke a debate upon what had taken place in the other House ; his only object was to contradict the statements that had been made.—( Cheers.) Sir E. KNACTHBULL said that that House could not take cognizance of the statements made in another place. Mr. HAWES, said that if such was the case, he would bring forward the subject in another shape. Ile had read a paragraph which appeared in the newspapers, with respect to the Imprisonment for Debt Bill, which was totally unfounded, and as his name was at the back of (bat Bill, he felt it to be his duty to set the matter right.—( Cheers.) In that paragraph it was stated that the Bill had been smug gled through the House of Commons. Now, he begged to say, that the Bill had undergone considerable discussion in that House, and it never could be stated with truth that the Bill had been smuggled through that House.—( Cheers.) When, however, it appeared those declarations came from a a quarter to which he must not allude.—( Cries of hear, hear, and Order, order.) It appeared to him that lion. Members were very sensitive. Colonel PEE CIVA L rose to order. If the Hon. Member persevered, it would be his duty to stand up in his place, and say that at the last stage the Bill was certainly smuggled through that House. The CHANCELLOR or the EXCHEQUER said, that the subject before the House was the Miiitta Pay Bill, with which the subject on which the Hon. Member was speaking had nothing whatever to do. Mr. HAWES was quite aware of that, but he thought that by some means or other he might manage to state what he had intended.—Cries of "Order, order") The SPEAKER thought the Hon. Member ought not to persevere. • Mr. HAWES considered, if statements were made against Hon. Members, they had a right to defend themselves, and to fling the imputations back upon those who had made them.— (Cheers, and cries of " Order, order.") Such statements were likely to mislead, prececding from the quarter which they did.—( Order, order.) The SPEAKER thought the statements of the . lion. Member ought not to be made. Colonel PE RCEVAL rose amid cries of " Chair, chair." The SPEAKER then put the question °The third read ing of the Militia Pay Bill, which was agreed to, ani the Bill was read a third time, and passed. APPROPRIATION BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the third reading of this Bill. Mr. HUME observed they were now about to pass the last Bill of Supply, and he should feel it his duty to move that the Bill be read a third time on.. Monday, in order that they might have an opportunity of seeing what would be done in another place with the Bill they were about to send up. The CHANCELLOR o f the EXCHEQUER rose to object to the proposition, and should certainly ask the House to read the Bill a second time. He would tell them the reason why, and he would entreat the acquiescence of the Honourable Member in it. Fb had laid down a certain course of proceeding, and be should not depart from it if he stood there alone. The Hon. Gentleman said he wished to have an opportunity of discussing what might be the con dition in which the Bill to be sent up by them to the House of Lords was returned. Ho (the -Chancellor of tho Exche quer) hoped it might not return again."—Hear, hear. ) He earnestly hoped that the Bill to which they had given not only their most sedulous attention, but their most conciliatory attention---(Cries of Hear, hear)—he hoped, and beli.eved, and trusted that Bill not come back to them ; and if the Hon. Gentleman was friendly to its previsions, by taking be step which he had proposed, be would impress all parties " ~"'`_ 0 _~ IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, SEPVEXISER °. • , BELFAST ELECTION. Mr. GOULBURN rase to order, and objected ti tl e Hon. Member reading the petition through, especially as :t contained allegations against individuals whose conduct migl t become a subject of enquiry before the House. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD was not gaing to read the petition at length, he was only stating the ailegatioas.— . (" Order, order.") The SPEAKER reminded the Hon. Gentleman of the other objection, and put it to the Hon. Member whether it would be proper to present a petition calculated in any way to prejudice a case which was likely to come before the House. Mr. S. CRAWFORD was ready to submit to the decision of the Speaker, and therefore would withdraw the petition. The SPEAKER made some observations which were in audible in the gallery ; but Mr. S. CRAWFORD said that he certainly would abide by the opinion of the Speaker, and withdra w th e p et i t i on . . The petition was then withdrawn. CORPORATION BILL. Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved that the Order of the Day be read for resuming the consideration of the Lords' amendments to the Municipal Reform Bill. Mr. HUME postponed till Friday next the resolution of which he had given notice, respecting the loan of fifteen mil lions contracted by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Lord JOHN RUSSELL proposed now to take the post poned clauses. lie meant for the present to postpone the preamble of the Bill, as he intended to Move the omission of certain words introduced by the Lords, and he would therefore proceed to the second clause. The first amendment he meant to propose was, to leave .out the word " unjust" as applied to depriving persons in Corporations of their property ; and next he would move to leave out that part of the amendment of the Lords, by which exemption from toll was perpetuated to freemen, instead of being confined to present freemen, and to place the clause in the some condition in which it had left that House.—Agreed to. The clause as amended was then agreed to. Clause 8., which provides that no freeman shall be admitted by gift or purchase, after some observations from the Arroa- NEY-GENERAL and Sir. W. FOLLETT, and a few verbal amend ments, was also agreed to. The clause with respect to town-clerks was also agreed to. The amendments to the clauses up to II were agreed to ' without any observation. On the I i th clause coming under consideration, the amend-' ment to which was " for the purpose of enjoying the rights conferred for the first time by this Act," Mr. WILKS said he had never seen such phfaseology in any Act of Parliament.. Lord J. RUSSELL thought the words were necessary for the purposes of a former amendment.— Agreed to. Lord J. RUSSELL said the next clause which gave con.n. cils the right of purchasing common lands had been struck out—he was very sorry f or it, but at present he would consent to it in the hope of a future amendment. Clauses 14 to 16 inclusive were then passed pro forma. A Message from the Lords brought up the Tithes on Tor... nipS Bill and other Bills. Lord J. RUSSELL would offer no oppOsitiou to tile 17th clause, as amended. Mr. C. BULLER observed, that according to the original clause the objector was to prove his objection to the officer elected, a provision which had been done away by the amend. merit.. He .suppcaed it was not of much use to stead out upon this point, but he thought all these alterations ought tr s be noticed, in order that the country might be roused to exer cise a wholesome dissatisfaction, which .should enable this House next year to get rid of all those defects.--( Hear.) Mr. SC A lIL E TT—Then it would appear from the decla rations of Hon. Members opposite that they do not intend that this measure should be final.--( Loud and repeated cheering from the Ministerial side of the House.) The clause was then agreed to. Clauses 19 and 20 were agreed to, as well as Clause 21, (the words " Councillor's" being left out,) and Clause 2e, (the words " Councillor's roll" being left out.) Lord J. RUSSELL then proposed to go to the 47th clause. On clause 47 being proposed, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, the question svas whether the qyalification should be a continuing qualification, or whe ther the person who was qualified having a bona fide qua lification at the time he qualified, should be consi dered afterwards hound to qualify according to the pro visions of the Act. He wished to state the question- as fairly as possible, but there were groat difficulties in eitherpcist of view. On the whole, however, he did not think thy would be acting consistently if they allowed a person who was once qualified to be so during the three years he would be a Councillor. He should therefore propose, after the o w r o r t t i l i s e t s h v a o t rd h s a , l ,, b , e v e i t u b o a u g t re b e e d i ntgo duly hy i l fi o e u d se 4 a t t h t e b e i n i s i e rn r e t w o n t. ROBINSONmaking such deela had n almost in ration,o a rdurings hi s u p ab continuancec rlobjectione n i! ce Mr. to flue introduction of these vvords. 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