The Sun. — London, England, 1848-08-15 00:00:00

°ll l ...-- ~.. - - ; the ow, w of ►iuf so' dered his resignation in coin equence of that circum stance, and that alone. Lord D. STUART asked the Noble Lord the Secre tary for Foreign Affairs if he could inform the House whether the Russian army, which had entered the prin cipalities of the Danube, had retired into Russia? Was the report to that effect true? Viscount PALMERSTON believed the report to which the Noble Lord alluded was correct. The last ac count he had from the consul in Moldavia stated that the Russiaa troops which entered Moldavia had retired, or were about to retire, from that principality. That body of troops had entered Moldavia at the request of the liospodar; by the last accounts it was retiring , and no part of it h a d entered the principality of Wallachia. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the order of the day for Committee of Supply. COLONIAL CORRESPONDENCE. Lord G. BENTINCK rose to move, " That an humble address be presented to her Majesty, that she will be graciously pl ease d to direct the Earl of Elgin :sr . , d Rincardine forthwith to transmit to her Majesty . Secretary of State for the Colonies copies of the omitted correspond e nce between the Provincia l Secretary of. Canad a an d t h e S ec r e tary of the Montrea l Board of Trad e , and will direct that the same be laid before this House." He had expected that his motion would have b been unopposed, but he understood it was ob j ected to by Government, on the ground of the w ord " omitted, and also of its prop osing to direct Lord E l g in " forth w ith to transmit to her Majesty's Secreta r y of State copies of that correspondence. He did not think he could have made use of a more appropriate mode of expression, but he supposed Ministers were somewhat sensitive at an im putation of any correspondence having been omitted by the Colonial-office. The omission of which he com plained was on a subject of great interest to the com munity, arising out of the fact of Government having thought proper to lay before the House correspondence between the Governor-General of Canada and the Secretary of State relating to the navigation laws. The general complaint was that Ministers, in laying correspondence before that or the other Nouse, thought themselves entitled to select only such dispatches as told for the policy of which they were the advocates. The Provincial Secretary had reprimanded the Council of the Board of Trade of Montreal in severe terms for the manner in. which they had addressed the Queen and both Houses of Parliament. That repri mand was sent home, and he coriteaded that Lord Elgin should also have sent home a cops- of the rejoinder made to him by the secretary of that board, by the in struction of the Council. He wanted to know if the Governor bad received instructions to send home only such dispatches as suited the views of Government. On the 7th July, only four days before it became noto rious in that House that Ministers did not intend to pro ceed with the measure for the repeal of the navigation laws, Earl Grey wrote to Lord Elgin to say that Mi nisters were sensible of its extreme importance to the Canadas, and entertained a confident hope that it would pass into a law. Could it believed that Ministers on the 7th July last seriously entertained a confident hope that the measure would pass into a law? In stead of encouraging the vain and futile hope that a com petition between New York and a colony so disadvan tageously circumstanced, in respect to climate and posi tion, as the Canadas, could result in that colony being placed on an equal footing with New York, it was the duty of the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies to have demonstrated that such a result was wholly un attainable; and that no repeal or modification of the navigation laws could possibly secure for the Canadas any such advantages as were fallaciously held out to them. Instead of exciting in the breasts of the Cana dian colonists the silly hope that the repeal of the navi gation laws would place them on an equal footing with the merchants and farmers of the state of New York, it was his bounden duty to have informed them that any Ruch expectation was a delusion. It was a mere mockery to pretend that the repeal of the navigation laws could place Montreal and New York on an equal foot ing, The avera ge d u ration of the voyage from New York to Portsmouth was twenty days, and of the "Yage back thirty days,• while the average voyage from Quebec to London was forty-five days, and from London to Quebec thirty-five days.. How then could it be pretended than an equality could be established between two countries so differently circumstanced ? But besides that there were other difficulties equally in surmountable. The navigation of the St. Lawrence Was continually interrupted and made dangerous, not Only by shoals and rapids, but by fogs and snow storms, and the result was that nut only were from twenty to thirty days more required to complete the Voyage between Montreal and London than were Itecessary for the passag e between New York and ',tui tions but the ch arge o insurance was proportionately larger, the risk being very much greater. The rate of I nsurance on ships from New York to London ranged from 405. to 60 s . per cent., whereas the rate charged on vessels trading between Montreal and London was never, eve n at the most favourable period of the year, less than 41 . per cent. There were, moreover, several other ex penses of an incidental character, which no legislation eou &c., a,e., ldaffect,such as that for steam-tugs up the St. Law rence,which in the aggregate amounted to a very large sum ; so that in Canadian ships of 400 tons there was an increase of 10d. a barrel in the freight of flour. Ho hoped that the Canadians would not allow themselv es to be deceived, no mat ter how authoritative the quarter might be from which the misrepresentation might emanate. He would take leave to forwarn the colonies that, if any laws, were to suff er f rom the repeal of the nav i gat i on none that he knew of would suffer more than those very colonies. They were in no very flourishing condi tion even at the present moment, as was evidenced by this fact, that of the 45 merchants who were engaged in the lumber trade in Quebec, 21 were already bankrupts, end'l9 others were in the hands of their bankers. He trusted that the House would acquiesce in his motion, and so read a lesson to Governors-General and other person s holding high office in the colonies, which might Five the m to understand that t he y were not for the futur e to presume to g ive only partial extracts fr om their official correspondence, or to lay before the Legis lature information connected with their respective de partments which was prepared in such a manner as to ,effect a p o liti ca l purpose rather than to throw the full light of truth upon a subject of vast importance. Ile should like to know how it happened that Lord Elgin Pursued a course which, though it had been adopted by the Colonial-office on former occasions, had been strongly condemned by public opinion—that of laying before Par liament only so much information as chanced to favour Isis own political views. Lord JOHN RUSSELL did not think it necessary or convenient, just at that moisent, to enter into a discus sion as to whether the repeal of the navigation laws Would or would not be. beneficial to Canada, or as to whether it would or would not answer the objects which the Montreal Board of Trade had in view. It would be very much better to reserve all discussion upon those questions until some measure with regard to the navi gation laws bad been proposed, when the matter could be formally and properly canvassed. The only question that the Noble Lord had notified his intention of mov ing was, that an address should be presented to her Ma jesty praying that what was omitted from the corre spondence already in the possession of the House, as having passed between the Provincial Secretary of Ca nada and the Secretary of the Montreal Board of Trade, should be produced. His (Lord John Russell's) objec tion to that motion was simply this, that the motion appeared to convey an incorrect notion of the facts of She case.—(Hear, hear.) Anybody reading it would Suppose that the Earl of Elgin and Kincardine was to blame for not sending the whole of the correspondence that had taken place ; and that, in fact, he ought to be formally reprimanded for the same, and ordered to transmit the omitted portiOns at once. On the 31st of May the Earl of Elgin wrote a dispatch to his Noble Fiend the Secretary of State for the Colonies, in which he stated that a certain correspondence had taken place, and that a certain memorial had been drawn up for pre sentation to both Houses of Parliament, which he sent for the consideration of Earl Grey. That correspond ortee consisted, besides the memorial, of a letter from the President of tko Montreal Board of Trade, and of the answer returned thereto by the Provincial Secretary of Canada. The answer of the 'Provincial Secretary re proved the President of the Montreal Board of Trade for a particular and very improper expression which he had used in his original communication. The expression was nothing more nor less than this, that unless thenavigation of the St. Lawrence were made free to the United States, the result would be the dissolution of the ties which at present connected Canada with the mother country. — (Hear, hear.) After that reply of the Provincial Secre tary Was written, there was another letter from the Pre sident, defending rather than retracting the unbe coming expression ho had used. The Earl of Elgin and Kincardine wrote on the 91st May, and whether the reason of his omitting to send this part of the correspondence was that his dispatches were already made up, and that he did not think the reply of the President of sufficient importance'to warrant the dis turbing the seal, was a matter which he could not take upon him to determine, and which, moreover, was but of very trivial significance. The production of the whole correspondence was, in his opinion, of very little im portance ; but it would be a matter of very considerable Importance indeed if the present motion, which was vir tually one of censure on Lord Elgin. should be agreed to. the House being all the time in ignorance as to Whether censure was fairly to be attributed to him or riot---(Hear, hear.) The President of the Montreal Board of Trade had thought fit to defend an unbecoming expression, and it appeared to him (Lord John Ras "11) that the letter in which he did so was of very little importance one way or the other.—sllear, hear.) However he bad not the least objection to its being laid upon the table of that-House, and it would, perhaps, meet the views of the Noble Lord if his Hon. Friend the Under-Secretary for the Colonies were that evening, or on some future evening, to move for the production of the whole of any further correspondence that might have when place on the subject of the navigation laws be tween the parties referred to in the present motion.— (Hear, hear.) To that resolution he would not offer the slightest opposition, but he certainly had a strong ob jeetion to the present motion, which was not such as Ought t o b e adopted by that House. not being at all in conformity with the facts of the case.—(Hear, hear.) After a brief conversation, the motion was negatived without a division. SUPPLY. The House then resolved itself into a Committee of Supply; Mr. BERNAL in the chair. The first vote was 30,000/. to complete the sum ne cessary to defray, up to the 31st of March, 1849, the Pcnses of the works at the new Houses of Parliament. :lir H. WILLOUGHBY observed upon the va stness of the sums w hi c h sess i on a f ter sess i on w ere allocated to this purpose. The sum voted up to March, 1848, was 14 5,000/. Since then they had incurred expenses as yet uncovered by any vote of that House to the amount of 7 1 1 ,0104 so that the sum total of moneys already laid oat oa amount of the new Palace was no less titan 3/4.411,0101. lb Yen: lattqh feared that there was some- where some gross mismanagement. The sum now ap plied for would not be adequate to defray the expenses from the 31st of March in the present year to the same day in 1849, for, as ho had already observed, there were official documents on the table of the House, which proved that a sum of not less than 76,010/. had already been incurred, and had yet to be discharged. They seemed to be always running after a debt. Somewhere or another there was a hiatus valde defiendus. The Com mittee to which the miscellaneous estimates had been referred had not sifted the matter with sufficient care. They had contented themselves with merely recording it as their opinion that an adequate control was not exercised over the large expenditure on account of the new Palace. The additional sums that would be re quired for the completion of the mere building were esti, mated to amount to 600,0001., which, with the 1,021,000/. already spent, made the total 1,621,0001. But in the latter sum the expense of finishing was not included : there would be the library fittings, the Members' refresh ment room, and the repairing of the chapel of St. Ste phen, which were calculated to amount to 379,000/. more, making the total cost about 2,090,0001. Now, as 1,021,0001. had been spent, there remained a suns of 900,0001. to he voted, and he should very much like to know how it was possible that that sum could be covered by the 30,000/. now to be voted. Lord 'MORPETII said that 945,000/. hud been voted, oah s df o a 11 0 ,: O tbti O ceo / sen . natmai additional sum p) taken n l to s o a nu d f pal b ,c)o e cn, e oo f u s toinol i etl s .; s u suho e , oa t t i rdi ki t ahsb.tiesl. very nearly in consequence yt agreed n a. e a a s r true ,eoboteoh,aot paid. aonl It had not been actually issued; but it had been agreed for, and the contractors were making the work on the faith of the vote then submitted to the House. If the Committee, therefore, agreed to the vote, there would remain a sum of 20,000/. for carrying on the works until the Ist of March, 1849. Mr. B. OSBORNE thought it would be advisable to finish off the works at once, by employing a great body of men. Tney might obtain the means by loan, if neces sary. He wished, however, to ask a question with re gard to the Reid and Barry squabble. Was that squab ble still continued? It it were going on, ho thought the House might continue voting money for ever, before the Houses of Parliament would be built.—(Hear, hear.) Lord MORPETH. could not tell whether perfect har mony existed between Dr. Reid and Mr. Barry in their personal relations, but the ventilation of the new and present House of Commons had been entrusted entirely to the control of Dr. Reid. Mr. DRUMMOND thought it unsafe that the Victoria Tower should be carried to so great an height. If they built more than thirty feet a year, they might depend upon it the whole building would very soon be crushed. The House of Commons had imposed impossibilities upon Mr. Barry. Every room was to be fire-proof. To be fire-proof they must be insulate, but every room was to perfectly ventilated also, and to effect that there must be openings and pipes, which could not be done if the rooms were insulate.—(A laugh.) With regard to the question of remuneration, he did not know why they were to ask Mr. Barry to make them a present of a large sum of money, because the alterations had been made on the original plans, for which the House cf Commons wore themselves responsible. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that no alterations had been or could be made in the plans, without the consent of the Treasury being obtained. Lord DUNCAN complained of the want of a control ling power over Mr. Barry. Mr. Barry referred all in quiries to the Woods and Forests, and the latter referred to the Treasury. After a few words from Sir D. NORREYS and Lord MORPETII, Mr. URQUHART declared that the cause of all this confusion was to be found in the practice pursued by the House of granting whatever votes were brought forward, without an inquiry into its application. Was it a proper mode of conducting business, to allow a sum of 700,0001. to run up to 2,000,000/.? They should take a lesson from this, and not overlook the moral it conveyed. Mr. MUNTZ wished to know whether any alterations had been made in the plans? Mr. B. OSBORNE explained that the alterations made in the plan had, according to Mr. Barry, been made upon the authority and by the directions of the House of Commons. He wished to know why the apartments for the officers of the House were not completed before the other parts of the building, as those gentlemen, par ticularly the Speaker and their worthy Clerk, Mr. Ley, were located very uncomfortably elsewhere, at a very great expense to the country. Mr. O'CONNOR said that as it was a question of taxation the matter ought to be referred to a Select Committee. Mr. SPOONER objected to being called upon to vote a sum of 2,1001. for the repairs and maintenance of May nooth College. When the Bill of 1845 was passed it was distinctly understood that the permanent grunt of 30,0001. a year from the Consolidated Fund would cover all the expenses of maintaining the college ; and in his view the words of the Act bore out no other construe lion. He would move that the item 2,6851. for repairs of Maynooth be struck off the votes. Mr. BANKES seconded the motion. Mr. DUNCAN considered that there was a distinct understanding that the 30,0001. granted to Maynooth in the year 1845 should be the last application to Parlia ment for money for such purposes. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER —There was always a distinction drawn between grants for educa tional purposes and grants for repairs. Mr. BRIGHT voted against the Maynooth Bill in 1845; on the same principle he would vote against this item. • Mr. V. SMITH said the Hon and Gallant Member for Middlesex was indebted for all the facts he had ob tained to the report of the Select Committee. He ad ,mitted it was objectionable to pay for extra salaries. The Committee over which he had the honour to pre side had decided that point. If Sir Charles Trevelyan bad given his whole attention and time to these Irish af fairs, why he then must have neglected his ordinary avo cations, which some one else must have performed for i•hitn, a very sufficient reason why increased remuneration should not be awarded to him. While on this subject he might, perhaps, observe that a very great discre pancy existed in the salaries paid to gentlemen in public offices, which was caused by the different nature of those offices; and as all the situations recently created by the House of Commons had had very moderate salaries at tached to them, he thought it most advisable that an attempt should be made to distribute equitably all the salaries paid to public officers. Mr. GOULBURN thought the House indebted to the lion. Member for Middlesex for having brought this sub• ject under their attention. The Hon. Gentleman hail given them un opportunity- which the report of the Com mittee did not give them, of evincing. their sentiments us to the zeal and attention with which Sir C. Trevelyan had performed the duties entrusted to his care. With respect to the vote now under discussion, he was deeply impressed with the value of the services rendered by Sir Charles Trevelyan, and he was sure that the House yrould not be unwilling equally to recognise the claims those services gave to that gentleman. Her Ma jesty had been pleased to grant an honourable distinction to Sir Charles Trevelyau ; but it was equally the right and the duty of the House of Commons, as well as of the Crown and Government, to bestow a reward upon a faithful public servant. Honourable Gentlemen should not forget the mode in which the government of the country was carried on ; it was essentially a parliament government, the business of which was carried on within those walls ; and it therefore became their duty to re gard the nature and character of the services rendered to all public officers. From his experience of the Treasury he could state that he found the services of the junior lords most efficient and valuable. Mr. GOULBURN—The intention of the Government was always that the repairs for the college should be the subject of an annual vote. This plainly appeared from the language of the Right Hon. Baronet the Member fur "Fain worth. It was their intention that the Board of , Works should take care of the repairs of the building. in order that they might be conducted with the greatest economy. He would support the grant. After a few words from Mr. M. J. O'CoNNELL against the motion, and from Mr. LAW in its favour, Mr. GL ADSTONE said that the express words of the ( Act appointed the Commissioners to see that the works I, were properly repaired from " time to time." He con sidered that the sum they were called upon to allow was very large. It was true that it was for two years, but it was still at the rate of 1,3001. a-year for repairs. It was perfectly clear that the 30,0001. was not merely for the purpose of new buildings, but in order to cover the cost of repairing, those which were old and dilapidated, and puffing them into thorough repair. It was necessary, before the House came to this vote, that they should know the nature and character of these re pairs. He was afraid that if these ordinary repairs were to be the subject of an annual vote, the House were mis taken in supposing they had been deprived of the late Maynooth debate, for it would return in a new form. If that should be the case, he would suggest whether it would not be desirable to vote a certain sum, which should be in the nature of a fabric fund, and then throw upon the trustees the responsibility of repairing the col lege from time to time out of the fabric fund. If there was not some distinct explanation as to the precise ob jects to which this money was applicable, it might be as well to postpone the vote. Mr. HUME was quite sure that the vote of a large , sum was to prevent the annual discussion of this ques tion. He felt disposed to consider this grant of 30,0001. as the final grant, and that the House ought not to vote clnymaro. 110 wianed the whole expense to be kept within 30.0004 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he held iu his hand an estimate for the year 1846.7, being the next year to that in which the 30,0001. was voted, which showed that the 30,000/. had not been suf ficient. He would write for a detail of the present esti mate, and if it turned out that any portion of the sum ought to be charged on the 30,0001. it should be so charged. Mr. LAW asked whether it would be shown that 30.000/. had been exhausted; or, how much had been exhausted? Mr. MUNTZ thought the better plan would be to leave this unpaid till next year's grant. This grant of 30,0001. was made on the express understanding that it was to put an end to all heart-burning:, and cover all expenses. He should certaiuly vote against any further grant. Mr. HENLEY said that the House had not sufficient information before them to vote this money. They ought to be told whether the 30,0001. had been expended or not. If it had been voted for the purpose of putting the college into repair, he did not see what right there was to come again upon the country. Unless they had further information, he should vote against the grant. Mr. SHIEL observed that when it was proposed to lay out 5,0001. on the repairs of Dublin Castle, no spe cification of particulars was required, and yet, when a sum was proposed for Maynooth, it was said, show us a reason why you demand a sum of 2,000. The questions of amount and of principle were quite distinct. The question of principle had been disposed of by fixing the charge on the Consolidated Fund. There must have been an appointment of the money; that money appor tioned to extension had not been exhausted, the money for repairs had been exhausted. Could any one doubt that repairs were required? Was it wise to refuse this sum of money to be applied to Maynooth when you took into consideration that 30,0001. only was given to Roman Catholics, whilst 36,000/. a year was given to tho Pres byterians? The Committee divided, when there appeared— For the vote Against it Majority in favour of the vote —.7l The next vote was 8,100/. for the expenses of King ston Harbour. On the vote of 30,0001. for the salaries and expenses of the two Houses of Parliament, and allowances to re • tired officers. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was right he should state that the Speaker had had under his consideration a great number of suggestions made by the Committee over which his Right Hon. Friend had presided, and a scheme for the better regu lation of salaries was nearly ready. In reply to a question from Mr. HUME, Mr. V. SMITII observed that the emoluments of the officers of the House of Lords who were paid out of fees had been made the matter of investigation by a Com mittee of Peers who were at present sitting. It was probable that they would recommend that a different system should be adopted for the future, and if so the vote on their account would next year be taken en an amended estimate. With respect to the officers of the Commons, he was of opinion that the whole of the fees which they received ought to be paid into the Ex chequer. Air. BRIGHT remarked that the Chairman of Com mittees of the House of Lords received a salary of 2,5001. a year, while the Chairman of the Lower House whose duties were much more onerous, only received 1,5001. Both were paid from the Treasury, and not by fees. _ _ Dr. BOWRING said he did 710 t think that justice could be done to the suggestions of the Select Committee unless some reference were made to the evidence on which those suggestions were founded. Five members of the Committee were in favour of a reduction of the number of these officials to two, and six against ; and the motion for a reduction to three was carried by a ma jority of seven to four.—(Hear.) Colonel DUNNE expressed his gratitude to his Hon. and Gallant Friend for having brought the case of Sir Charles Trevelyan before the Committee. He could not concur in any vote complimentary to Sir Charles Trevelyan ; and ho trusted that if the Government should find it necessary to extend more relief to Ireland, they would take care to send Sir Charles Travelyan to earn honours elsewhere. _ _ Mr. MONSELL said that he felt as strongly as any man the great ability of Sir Charles Trevelyan, but he felt that that gentleman's policy had the effect of thwart ing the recommendations of men, not more anxious and zealous, but better acquainted with Ireland than he was —such as the late Lord Besborough, and Captain Lar com, and others. He thought that it was a most un fortunate circumstance to have sept Sir Charles Treve lyan to Ireland, and he believed that the present unfor tunate state of Ireland, in which the people would be much less able than they otherwise would have been to meet the approaching distress, was rendered worse by the measures which had been pursued. He could not give his support to this vote. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL regretted, if the policy of the Government and of Sir Charles Trevelyan were to be discussed, that the question had not been taken up at an earlier period of the session. He could not forget that the House had originally concurred in the unfortunate course that had been pursued, and that the entire blame was not therefore to be thrown upon the Government or Sir Charles Trevelyan. He bore testimony to the con stant attention which Sir Charles Trevelyan had devoted to Irish business, and he thought that it would be now rather an insidious course torefuse the additional year's salary that was proposed to I s given to that officer. At the same time he could not approve of the line of policy that had been pursued. Lord J. RUSSELL said that however Sir C. Tre velyan might have employed his intelligence, the Minis ters of the Crown were responsible for his acts.—(Hear, hear.) The Public Works Act was adopted after several meetings of the Cabinet with Lord Besborough, and whatever errors might have been committed, the Go vernMent were to blame for them. Sir C. Trevelyan stated in his evidence that he worked three hours before breakfast ' • that he then went to the Treasury, where he worked all day ; and that the pressure upon him was such, that he wondered that he had been able to get through it alive. If the Government had done wrong in including the vote in the civil contingencies, he hoped that their error would not be visited upon one of the most intelligent and laborious officers that he had ever known. Mr. LABOUCHERE bore testimony to the zeal and public spirit evinced by Sir C. Trevelyan. Mr. B. OSBORNE said he must really recall the at tention of the House to the question before it, with which he would not consent to mix up the policy of the Government in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) The question was, whether a certain sum of money should have been given to this officer, from any fund whatever, without the consent of Parliament?—(hear, hear.) He thought that the whole transaction was illegal. Whether that were the proper time for him to mark his sense of the impropriety, he should leave the House to determine. Mr. muoirr hoped his Hon. Friend would postpone the proposal of any expression of opinion until the matter should come before the House in a different • shape. The vote was then agreed to. 18,7001. was granted to complete the payment of the salaries and expenses of her Majesty'slSecretary of State for the Home Department. On a vote of 72,5001. being proposed to complete the sum necessary to pay the salaries and expenses of the office of her Majesty's Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Mr. lIUME thought that there had been Select Com mittees enough upon the subject. He had always pro tested against the adoption of Mr. Barry's plans, and he now complained of the additional expense caused by the alterations. Mr. Barry had altered his original plans without env authority whatever, and by the mode of payment adopted, the expense of their alterations doubled the remuneration paid to the architect. He should like to see some certain statement with regard to the ventilation, and also with respect to the decorations to be used in the House of Commons. Lord MORPETH, in reply, bore testimony to the labours of the Commission, who were most unremitting in their attentions to this matter. All the decorations and appendages of the House were referred to the judg ment of the Commission; but it was distinctly under stood that the room appropriated to the deliberations of the Members was to be very different in its general cha racter from the new House of Lords.—(Hear, her.) The Commission attributed no blame to the Architect for the course which he had pursued, believing that all the alterations would conduce to the convenience of the House; but no deviations were to be made in future until the proposal to make them had been regularly reported and sanctioned. Sir D. NORREYS observed that Dr. Reid had com plained, and with some justice, that he had not been en trusted with sufficient powers—the ventilation of the passages, which formed so important a part of the whole, having been taken out of his hands. Lord MORPETH said the ventilation of the new House of Commons and the apartments connected with it had been entrusted to Dr. Reid, but that of the re mainder of the building was taken from him, at the wish of the House of Lords, expressed three years ago in an address to the Crown. He thought it infinitely better to leave the matter in future to the three scientific gen tlemen appointed than to refer it to any other authority. After a few words from Mr. URQLTHART, Mr. EW ART complained of the want of light in the rooms connected with the new House, especially those of the chairman and the clerks. In no respect did the ar rangements of the present House appear to have been improved upon. Mr. DRUMMOND believed that there was not in the world a more accomplished architect than Mr. Barry. Nothing could be more admirable than the whole of the details of the building. The vote was then agreed to. On the sum of 4 , 0501 . b ein g p ro p osed of certain works a nd buildings proposeditno tdneefralyslethoet. Man, Mr. 11Eobjectedto and Insolvency,tlievote, maintainedand the Courts HUMS of Bankruptcy had reference, ought to be united. t o Mr. BANKES said that the p ublic attention in the Isle of Man had been much directe d to the subject, and the footing on which the matter stood at present was considered very unsatisfactory. Dr. BOWRING complained that the inhabitants of the Isle of Man, 50,000 in number, were wholly without the means of representation. The Committee divided, when there appeared — For the vote ..... Against Majority in favour of the vote... 57 The vote was then agreed to. The next vote was for 12,719/. for the Holyhead Road. Mr. SPOONER complained of the yearly expense of surveying this line of road. Lord MORPETH promised to inquire into the matter to see if the expense could not be reduced. The vote was then agreed to. • A vote of 131,0001. was agreed to for defraying the expenses of constructing harbours of refuge. A vote of 23,1671. was then proposed for defraying the expenses of maintaining in repair the several public buildings in the department of the Public Works in Ireland. Dr. BOWRING complained of the want of a proper supervision in the Board of Works in Ir e l an d. Mr. HUME said they would never do any good until they got rid of the office of Lord-Lieutenant. Mr. GOULBURN said there was the strictest super vision exercised over the expenditure in the Lord-Lieu tenant's department. There was one part of this vote to which he wished to refer. He found that a building was to be erected for a Roman Catholic chapel in the royal military schoel in Dublin. He thought this would lead to inconvenience and dissension between the Pro testant and Catholic children. Mr. F. MAULE thought no inconvenience could arise. Sir WILLIAM SOMERVILLE said that at present while the Protestants went to church, the Roman Ca tholic children had to go to their worship in a dark room, that was nothing better than a hole. It was absolutely necessary that some accommodation should be provided for them. Mr. SPOONER objected to this vote on principle. He thought it was wrong to provide any accommodation whetever, whether it was dark or not. He had always opposed any support being given to the Roman Catholic religion, and he should continue to do so. He should divide the Committee on this vote. Mr. DRUMMOND objected to voting money for:any sect whatever. Those who objected to grant money to the Roman Catholics must, on the same ground, object to the Reliant Donlan. The best 'plan was not to grant money to any religion at all. There was abundant ecclesiastical property in Ireland; let them make a just and fair division of it amongst those who were entitled to receive it, and there would be no occasion to call for the payment of more taxes. Mr. REYNOLDS thought • this a legitimate item. The state was not Protestant, nor Catholic, nor Presby terian, but a mixture of all. As a Roman Catholic subject of the Crown, he felt a pride in proclaiming that the Roman Catholi c p eop l e f e l t t h ey h a d as strong a claim upon the State as any other religious denomi nation. Mr. MUNTZ would 'support the vote. This was a place of edu ca ti on for Catholics and Protestants, the latter having a place of worship, the former none. If you allowed a church to one, and denied it to the other, you would thereby degrade those who were excluded. Mr. NAPIER o pp ose d t h e vote as ent i re l y w i t h out u p precedent new eh channels n specialwideg oti nds torest up of] ; likely to open 'ellasto lead to mischief's, divisio ns , an d b a d feeling. expenditure, a Mr. OSBORNE support e d th e vote. After a few words from several other Hon. Members, the Committee divided, when there appeared— Against the amendment For it Majority ---91 Mr. DISRAELI said he intended to make some re marks on certain transactions which had occurred, and were occurring, in the administration of this department; but he felt he could not do so at one o'clock.—(Bear.) Perhaps the Noble Lord would let the vote pass over to some other day, and allow the Chairman to report pro gress at once. Lord J. RUSSELL suggested that the Hon. Gentle men might take the debate on any other vote. lie might as well take that opportunity of stating that he would take the Diplomatic Relations with Rome Bill on Thurs day next, and the Committee of Supply again on Wed nesday. at twelve o'clock. Lord GEORGE BENTINCK wished to know whe ther the Sugar Duties Bill would come on on Friday? Lord JOHN RUSSELL could Mot say positively. Ho preferred naming. Monday next. Mr. DISRAELI said that the better course for dis posing of the matter under consideration would be, that the Chairman should report progress and ask leave to sit again on Wednesday, when they would take the vote on the Foreign-office. That course was finally agreed to. The House resumed. The CHAIRMAN reported the reso lution, and ob tained leave to sit again on Wednesday , at twelve o'clock. The Spirit Dealers Bill and the British Spirits Ware housing Bill were both committed pro forma, amend ments added, and the Bills ordered to be reprinted. Sir W. SOMERVILLE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to facilitate the transfer of landed property in Ireland. The Bill was then read a first time, and ordered t o be read a second time on Thursday. NOTICE OF MOTION. Mr. HERRIES stated that he would on Tuesday (this day) call the attention of the House to the reports from the Committees of this House and the House of Lords, on Commercial Distress, and to move that this House will, early in the next session, take the same into its serious consideration. Tho House adjourned at Two o'clock. Mr. V. SISITII thought that the Committees of that House ou.;ht to be more cautious in calling wit nesses. It often happened that they called witnesses to speak to ♦ery insignificant facts, and much money was thus unnecessarily squandered. By Captain Wynne's Committee money was thus expended this session to the amount of 1,719/. After a brief conversation the vote was agreed to. The next vote was 14,700/., to defray the salaries of persons connected with the Treasury department. Mr. OSBORNE called attention to the fact that dur ing the last year a sum of 2,500/. had been awarded to Sir Charles Trovelyau by the authorities of the Trea sury, without coming down to that House to obtain its sanction. The precedent was an evil one, and ought not to be permitted to pass unnoticed. There could be no more objectionable practice than that of giving boons to public officers without at least first consulting that House as to the propriety of such a proceeding. He should wish to know whether it was the intention of ,he Government to carry out the recommendation of the Committee to whom the miscellaneous estimates were referred, by diminishing the number of the Lords et the Treasury? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rob served, with respect to the latter inquiry, that the Go vernment did intend to carry out that suggestion, The Noble Lord the Member for Calne (Lord Shelburne) had just sent in his resignation as one of the Lords of the Treasury, and it w as not in the contemplation of the uhldresgayarwd was, that the eGaoseveorfnsiniernct h to ari fi e l s l the w as acquainted with that gentle - Tr ev e v l a y e a a n n , n a y l h e W c i o t man were most onerous and distressing, and that ho had there w w h a o s w u a o one not w a h w o are that the duties o f that gentle could have been arranged on an adequate rel ie f had not beadequate scale if it discharged them in the most exemplary manner. It would have been impos sible that the en for the exertions of Sir C. l revel y an. As to the money granted to him, it appeared in the civil contingencies. Mr. -DISRAELI admitted the v alue of Sir C. Trove lyan's services, but after the order of the Bath had been conferred upon him, an unprecedented mark of honour towards an Under-Secretary of State, he could not but think that a pecuniary reward was in bad taste. When the vote came under the distinct consideration of the House he should oppose it. Mr. OSBORNE said it unfortunately happened that the money had been already paid. The Right Honour. able Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer had not yet informed the House from what fund the money to pay this reward was derived, nor why he had not asked the House for a distinct rote for the pur pose. The practice of the Government thus dispensing the public money, without the knowledge or sanction of Parliament, was most objectionable; and it involved a serious principle, to which he was greatly surprised to see the present Government commit themselves. d pgtfivg oriuruco l ‘ sbetetn l hls s r tnec . doSs obtainingget Prrl during;aOva ratlt ti N thr, :Et however hG,ho ß ren:nr o, said elevst vrveah ern: Government he aiei distress; irnsnspihrttnoroeohceructi had received asddicehi no eh p dnwh. ip:2raiosi was involved se t notde h riti .v i nooo s i rv v oreoey o rscw i vote mirei o ni uhT asti t oohcen h nueriy e sts; s during the Irish distress; his ' ord l inary services then must have been greatly overpaid if he had the power of devoting so much time to the public business. Mr. BRIGHT asked th e Ch ance ll or of the eExchequer to state from what fund the money was paid. Was it out of the eight millions voted for the relief of the Irish distress CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER repea t e d tlia T tt e he C? n l ioney had been paid from the civil contingen cies upon which the account appeared. Mr. HUME said a great irregularity had been per mitted, because this money had not been made the subject of a special application to the House. Had it come from the House, the amount would have possessed double the value in the estimation of Sir C. Trevelyan, besides being more honourable to the Minister. Mr. GLAI)STONE entirely concurred that it was the duty of the Government to have submitted this vote to the House in the first instance. There was no general rule connected with the public service, in which it was ' more necessary to guard against exceptions than the one that the salaries received by public officers, particularly in high office, should be in consideration of all the time. To take this amount from the civil contingencies was most unfortunate, because the object of that fund was totally different. Besides, in the civil contingencies Sir C. Trevelyan's payment did not appear by name, but it was included under the general item of 4,045/. for extra services. How could any gentleman have formed an idea that in this 4,0451. there was included an item of 2,5001. to one individual? Lord J. RUSSELL defended the grant to Sir C. Tre velyan, on the ground of his eminent services. COURT CIRC ULAK OS BORNE, MONDAY. The unfavoarable state of the weather Prevented her Majesty and the Prince and their illustrious visitors from at by the Re v . J. taking their early walk this morning; but the rain h having ceased soon after t e n o'cl o ck , the Q ueen a n d his Royal Highness promena ded as usual, and the y ou nger branches of the Royal Family rode and wwalhkiepdpiinngam the grounds. The Queen and Prince , and their Serene Hi g hnes ses the Prince and Princ ess of Hohenlohe Langenbur g , an d the Princess Eliza, and t ke ro y al household, atten ded Church. Divine T service, ne s y e e r te e r n d yesterday was i n o preached rn i ng Protheroe. Her Royal Highness th e Duchess of Kent ( at t e nded batytende Lady d A Di n v n in a e M se a r r y ia iee D a a t Eastws' Cowesand S i r C ht Ge o rgech Coupe r ), . The royal dinner party y esterday included her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, their Serene Hi g h nesses Prince and Princess Ho henlohe, Prince Victo r , and Princess Eliza, Lady. A u na littria Dawson, Vi scount Morpeth, and Sir Georg e Couper. Lord Morpeth left Osbo rne for London this morning. -. Viscount His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge left town yesterday morning on a visa to her Royal High ness the Duchess of Gloucester, at her residence in Richmond Park. A Cabinet Council was held yesterday afternoon, at the Foreign•otfice. The Ministers present were—Lord os, M.P. for Kent, John Russell, the Lord Chancellor, the Marquis of an interview with the Grey,xchequerH. Labouchere,' Lansdowne, the Palmerston, Earl -Grey, ' t Lord Campbell, the Marquis of Clauricarde, and Viscount g t t h h i e n e C t° il S e i , g i n i r c i (I lLo . o o r r n g o . e f Morpeth. The Council sat two hours an d a half. Lord John Russell yesterday, at his official residence in Downing-street. Mr. Pomfret , pd,e)prnurtaretti,oann,(iiiiiicsilua jdoirngctiNrltre.ils,ohd.agi The Marquis of Lansdowne returned to town yester day, from Nuneham Park. Viscount Morpeth arrived in town yesterday morning, from her Majesty's marine residence, Osborne, Isle of Wight. The Chancellor of the Exchequer returned to town yesterday, from the Latimers. LIEUTENANT Musuo.---Upon inquiries we find that there is no truth in the paragraph contained in a Sunday contemporary, that Mr. Munro would be liberated from Newgsto to-day. Mr. Munro was tried on the 18th of August last year, and cannot, of course, be discharged from prison;until the 18th inst. FoßEtax MOLASSES. —A vessel has arrived from Cienfuegos de Cuba with 255 puncheons and 44 tierces of molasses on board, comprising an entire cargo of the article, the produce of OW place. SUN; LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 15, H 43. gentlemen thus employed to explain the import of legal papers to those whose signature is obtained; and it seems violently improbable that such a transaction as the cut ting off the entail of the great estates of the house of Buckingham and Chandos should have been accom plished in a moment of passionate excitement. But waiving all disputes as to matters of fact, we beg leave, on the part of what we ♦enture to designate as the soberer and more dignified portion of British so ciety—we beg leave, we say,, to protest against dragging forward, in such a newspaper as the Times, the cir cumstances of a private transaction between father and son, and that, too, in the very moment when the worldly ruin of both is most conspicuous. We think it is not decent—it is not fair. It is evidently intended to wound iu the most painful :manner the mind of the father, and wo are unwilling to believe that such an attack can be anything but most painful to his son. We cannot close these remarks--which we are at once reluctant. to make, and unwilling to withhold—without the frankest and fullest admission of the blame which, in our judgment, attaches to those who, by imprudence and extravagance, bring upon a noble house the ruin which has fallen upon that of Buckingham. We are even of opinion that the law should visit with much more personal severity tha❑ it does those who, in thoughtlessness or cupidity, make pecuniary promises, which, when the time of payment comes, they are unable to fulfil. We regard this us a grave offence, but it is one not confined to members of the aristocracy. The organ of the mercantile classes should remember that if all who have been led by ex travagance of mind into desperate courses ending in in solvency were punished to the uttermost, the avenging messenger would have as much to do on the east of Temple-bar as on the west. We would say to the mer cantile men whose favourite journal is so harsh upon the pecuniary misfortunes of a noble house, " Let him who is without sin amongst you cast the first stone." IRELAND. DUBLIN, MONDAY MORNING. There is nothing new from the South by the Great Southern and Western Railway this morning. The following detailed account of the arrest of Messrs. Meagher, Leyne, and O'Donoghoe, is given by the Freeman's Journal :-- THURLES, SUNDAY MORNING.—On this morning, about one o'clock, Messrs. T. F. Meagher, P. O'Do noghoe, and M. R. Layne, were walking along the high road, between Clonoulty and Holycross, when they were met by constable Madden and a large party of police, who were patrolling near the police barrack at Rath cannon, to which station the party had only returned within the last two days. Madden accosted them, say ing, Fine night, gentlemen,' to which Meagher re plied, Good night, boys.' A few more ordinary words passed, and both parties separated, the police going in the direction of Rathcannon, and the others continuieg on their route towards Holycross. They had not, how ever, proceeded more than about three auactroa yards when they were overtaken by six of the same police party, who were armed with their carbines, and called upon them to halt. Mr. Meagher demanded the reason, upon which Sergeant Madden replied that he had strict orders to act as he was doing. Mr. O'Donoghoe asked him if he had a warrant or any other authority for their arrest? Madden said he had not, and then demanded of Mr. Donoghoe his name, which was given without a moment's hesitation. Mr. Leyne was next asked his name, and he also gave it at once. Madden then drew Mr. Meagher aside, and in a low tone asked him his name, to which he answered, anything you have to say to me say it publicly before all. I will not hold any private conversation with you.' Then,' said Madden, 6I ask you your name publicly— what is it?'—'My name is Thomas Francis Meagher,' her ' was the answ er . 'Th en, ' sa i d Madden, 'I arrest g •ou in the Queen's n ame .' Th e others wore also made pri soners in like manner; the police fell in, one at either side of each prisoner, and they marched them to the bar rack at Rathcannon, about a mile further up the road. On arriving there the prisoners were placed in the kitchen, while Madden and his men hold a council in the adjoining room, and prepared to march them to Thurles, which they did after a short delay. When they reached Thurles, the prisoners were brought to the house of Sub-inspector Bracken, and Mr. Gore Jones, the resi dent magistrate, was presently in attendance. Mr. Jones asked Mr. Meagher if it had been his intention to have surrendered himself, to which Mr. Meagher emphati cally replied that it was not; that he was prepared to meet his fate, and scorned the idea of asking for his life; that he had been arrested by Sergeant Madden and a body of police, en the road between Clonoulty and Holycross, and had not the least intention of surrender ing himself. He said he had seen the Mall, and repeat edly spoke in the most indignant terms of the insinua tion in that paper that he had craved life. I was aware,' said he, ' that my life would be spared if I surrendered end pleaded guilty to a charge of high treason ; but the only conditions upon which I would ever have been in duced to surrender wore, that all those who were incul pated in the movement should have permission to leave the country.' He was then proceeding to speak of other matters connected with the recent proceedings, when Mr. Jones cautioned him against doing so ; but said if he wished to make any deliberate written statement he would receive it. Mr. Meagher then requested writing materials, and wrote rather a long statement, with the contents of which, however, lam unacquainted. Mean time, General Al'Donald, accompanied by his staff, had arrived, and after interrogating the prisoners, directed that one of his aide-de-camps, Capt. M'Kenzie, should accompany them to Dublin. Mr. Jones had in the interim ordered a special train, and Mr. Fitzmaurice, R.M., who was about proceeding to Dublin by the mail train, re solved on coming with the prisoners. The General on this occasion was courteous; he did not send for a single soldier from the camp, neither did he interfere with the arrangements which the police magistrates and officers had made for the conveyance of the prisoners. While the train was being. got ready, a comfortable breakfast was provided by Mr. Bracken's housekeeper, of which Messrs. Meagher, Leyne, and O'Donoghoe partook heartily ; and having been supplied with a change of linen, they seemed much refreshed, and looked quite cheerful and free from all anxiety or uneasiness. They expressed themselves very grateful for the considerate attention paid them by Mr. Bracken's family. At half past five they proceeded on foot to the railway station, accompanied by the General, the two magistrates, and Mr. Bracken, and without any other escort. A party of twenty police followed soon after, and one first-class carriage having been attached to the engine and tender, in which the prisoners, Captain Fitatnaurice, Mr. Bracken, Captain M'Kenzie, and the police all took their seats, the train moved off for Dublin without the slightest manifestation of excitement or attempt at interference from the people, who were assembled in considerable numbers about the station. " Mr. Meagher looked in as good health as usual. He wore his ordinary dress—a blue frock coat and tweed trousers. lie had on a short over-coat of Irish frieze, a black and white straw hat, and was without the slightest attempt at disguise of any kind. He smoked a cigar on his way to the station. Mr. Leyne was likewise in his ordinary dress, but wore a large Irish frieze over-coat. Mr. O'Donoghoe wore a dark fur cap and his usual dress. I understand that the informations lodged against the two latter, and the warrant under which they are arrested, charge them with being of the party who attacked the police under Mr. Trent, in the widow Cormack's house at Boulagh-common. " The special train had scarcely passed the station at Templemore when James F. Lalor arrived there, in custody of two metropolitan police and a strong escort of the constabulary. He was brought on a car from Nenagh gaol, and sent on by the mail train to Dublin. His appearance is greatly altered for the worse. He looks very haggard and dejected." The following letter describes the state of the district of Abbeyfeale, so recently the head-quarters of Mr. Richard O'Gorman e— " Abbeyfeale, Sunday, 13th August. " I was prevented finishing my letter yesterday by the announcement of the mail, so I had to break of short, and had much difficulty to gut it sent by that post. I have now to tell you that O'Gorman has left this part of the country. Doheny came to meet him hero on the mountains, but was met by O'Gorman, who carried his own carpet bag, and was alone. He told Doheny that things were in a hopeless state here, and that further attempt to raise the people would be fruitless. Ho suc ceeded in persuading Doheny to return, and both went off in the direction of Keeper Hill; they are closely traced by the detectives; where they would stay at night would be searched early next morning, so very close a pursuit is kept up. Several of the fellows who joined them hero have given information as to their where abouts and actions while in this neighbourhood. O'Gorman planned the coach robbery, but did not act in it himself. He slept in the hotel at Rath keale a few nights since, amid hundreds of military and police, and left early next morning for Newcastle. His bedroom was searched about one hour after he had left it. They (the leaders) are all together on Keeper Hill, and there is no truth in the report of the escape of any one of them out of the country. Several fellows who met O'Gorman and Doheny together, crossing the mountains, have given information of the fact to the au thorities. Three men were shot yesterday morning at Castletown, three miles from Rathkeale. I have not as certained the particulars. but it is a fact—one of them is the poor-law relieving officer. There are two compan ies of the 88th Regiment and 100 constabulary here. At _ Newcastle there are two companies cf the t;-tthgi moat, one troop of the Ist Dragoon Guards, and 90 Re con stabulary. At Rathkeale three companies Regiment, two troops of the Ist Dragoon required; this f Guards, the 64th and a large constabulary force. They are not this neighbourhood is peaceable enough at present, ex cept this affair at Rathkeale. The crops. entirelyareverad, both potatoes and wheat; much more rein will destroy both." Lord Hardinge's tour in the south is noticed in the following letter. The distinguished veteran is now in Limerick:— "CLONMEL, SATURDAY EVENING, AUGUST 11.—Lord Harding° and suite arrived here to-day, but after a short delay at the Globe Hotel for refreshment they started for Limerick, where 2,000 troops are concentrated, of which his Lordship is to take the command. Though short the time that ho remained here, a considerable crowd collected, all anxious to get a look at the hero of India, and the c ompanion-in•arros of our own Lord Gough, who is from this immediate neighbourhood. The old soldier looked brave and hearty. "We are all waiting for the special commission with great anxiety ; there seems to be little doubt of its being held here in two or three weeks ; that length of time, at least, will be required to make the necessary preparations in the summoning of jurors, &c. The men who were captured at Ballingarry will be tried here at the commission, should there be one. " There continues a perfect quiet in this part of the country ; no symptom of outbreak or disaffection is now apparent ; in fact, the presence of an immense military force has made the people wonderfully loyal. " Six o'clock.—A Mall named Walah (a tailor), has • just been committed to Clonmel gaol by Charles Hunt, Esq., R.M., Tipperary, having been arrested at Bansha. with letters in his possession for Doheny and others of the conspirators." ARRIVAL OF MR. J. LALOR. The train which arrived at the King's-bridge Station at three o'clock yesterday, brought up Mr. James F. „., Lalor, who had been arrested some d a y s ago , and con- fined in Nenagh gaol, under the escort of Head-Con. • stable Hayes. The prisoner was accompanied from the terminus to Newgate by a party of mounted police. He was brought up under a warrant of removal, it baring been notified to the Crown on the part of Mr. Martin, one of the State prisoners, that he would be required as a witness on his behalf. THE STATE PRISONERS—MEMORIAL TO THE QUEEN. The Roman Catholic clergy of the diocese of Tuam, to the number of 114, have signed a memorial to her Majesty with reference to the late insurgent proceedings. The following is an extract:— " We have witnessed with pain the proceedings of a few inexperienced young men, for some months past. We disagreed with them on principle. We denounced them as the enemies of order, religion, and country. Yet we now feel commiseration for their folly as intensely as we felt indignant when we beheld them carried away by the impetuosity of their ardent, but erroneous aspires lions for liberty. We trust it is unnecessary for us to assure your Majesty that in the trying period of the last few years of unexampled distress and destitution, when death stared us in every shape—starvation, hunger, and its concomitant, typhus fever; yet we braved all, and never ceased to exhort our flocks to resignation to the Divine will and to strict obedience to the laws of the land. We then confidently hope that;your most Gracious Majesty will be pleased to take into your merciful con sideration the unfortunate situation of Mr. Smith O'Brien and the other unreflecting persons who have so foolishly embarked in the late lamentable outbreak, thereby proving to the world their utter insanity. "The prerogative of mercy is the brightest diadem in your Majesty's glorious crown. We, the loyal and faithful Roman Catholic clergy of Tuam, appeal to that noble attribute on behalf of the deluded William Smith O'Brien and his deluded, misguided associates, and beg to assure your Majesty that the exercise of mercy on this occasion towards these unfortunate culprits will se- _ cure to your Majesty and throne more of pure and true loyalty than the shedding of the blood of thousands. " Rest assured the heart of Ireland is sound and true towards your Gracious Majesty—hence we implore, we entreat, nay, we most humbly beg—' no blood,' and as ministers of religion, whose sacred duty it is to inculcate peace and good-will amongst men, we still further beg to assure your Majesty that the concession of the prayer of this our petition shall be an additional stimulant to us to uphold the laws, and to secure, even at the sacrifice of our lives, the stability of that throne which is so happily occupied by your moat Gracious Majesty, and your me morialists shall ever pray," &c. THE INSURGENTS A T BALLINGARRY. Th. Tipperary Free Pre eo.tains the following im portant paragraph:— " It will be remembered that Mullinahone and neigh bourhood seemed to bo a sort of head-quarters for the insurrectionary chiefs, and consequently attracted thither a number of foolish and hot-headed young men, almost as much from curiosity as any other motive. The re spected pastor of that parish, the Rev. D. Corcoran, utterly regardless of any consequence but the peril im pending over his flock, fearlessly admonished them ; and, struck by the force and truth of his admonitions, they told him that they would return to their homes the next morning, and abandon the Confederate cause altogether; and the deep impression made upon them by their excel lent pastor, and the confidence they had in his better judgment, made them keep their promise. However, some of them were recognized and reported as being of Smith O'Brien's body-guard for one night, and warrants were issued for their apprehension accordingly. Here again the good pastor interfered, and besought the Go vernment to spare those young men who had returned to their allegiance and their homes at his desire ; and we understand that his Excellency Lord Clarendon, in the most gracious manner, has acceded to the request of the Rev. Mr. Corcoran, P.P., the only condition required in their pardon being the immediate surrender of any arms in their possession." The same journal has the following:— " On Thursday the governor of the county goal re ceived a communication from head-quarters, granting to the near relatives and friends of the gentlemen lately arrested under the suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act permission to visit them in prison. " On Wednesday, Sub-inspector Fosbery, with a party of police, visited various houses in this neighbourhood, from the proprietors of which licenses had been lately taken, and brought away with them all the arena they could discover." AGRARIAN OUTRAGE.—The Limerick papers contain numerous accounts of agrarian outrages. The Limerick Chronicle says:— "Countless outrages and depredations were committed in every part of this county, from which the police were called off immediately after the attack and robbery of the mail coaches at Abbeyfeale. Every village, every hamlet, was robbed of fire-arms, money, provision, and even garden produce with impunity, and the miscreants feared nothing in the absence of the police from their usual stations. For throe days the depredators enjoyed a criminal jubilee, and no incident could better establish the great value and general utility of the police force than the above fact." TUE POTATO BLIGHT.—The unfavourable reports Still increase, and the people are looking with great anxiety to the condition of the country during the next twelve months. It is providential, however, that the weather continues fine, and there is now a ♦wry lair prospect }or the grain crops. In Dublin county, and generally on the coast districts , the potato blight is very limited. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. TATTERSALL'S.—YESTERDAY. EBOR HANDICAP. 4 to 1 agst Mr. S. L. Fox's Meauz 6 to I agst Captain Harcourt's Ellerdale 15 to 1 agat Mr. Jaques'a Sir Martin—taken to 1001, CT. LEGIgIt. 5 to 2 agst Mr. Bowes's Springy Jack—take 3 to 1 4 to I. agst Duke of Bedford's Justice to Ireland— take 9 to 2 9 to 2 agst Mr. B. Green's Vlatcateher—taken 6 to 1 agst Lord Clifden'a Surplice—take 12 to 2 DERBY. 9 to 1 aget Lord Eglinton's Flying Dutchman 20 to 1 agst Mr. A. Nichol's Nunnykirk 500 to 15 agst Mr. Macdonnell's Saucy Dick—taken 500 to 10 eget Mr. Bowes's Emma colt 1,000 to 10 agst Duke of Rutland's colt, out of Flam beau's dam—taken The attendance was very thin, and the prices nominal. WOLVERHAMPTON RACES.--MONDAY. The Trial Stakes of 5 sovs. each, and 50 added. Once round and a distance. (6 Subs.) Mr. Parr's Sponge, 3 yrs, 7st 101 b (W. Butler) 1 Mr. Fowler's Ribaldry, 3 yrs, Est 13Ib . 2 The following also ran:—Lahore, 3 yrs, 7st 51b—Cap• sicum, 3 yrs, ist Sib—Never Mind, 3 yrs, 7st 21b. Betting-6 to 4 agst Sponge, sto 2 agst Ribaldry, 3 to 1 agst Capsicum. Won by a head, after a fine race. The Produce Stakes of 10 sovs. each, and 20 added. Once round. (19 Subs. Mr. Minor's Shropshire Witch, Bst ... (H. Darling) . 1 Mr. Whitworth's br f Ellen Loraine, Bst •• 2 The following also started :—Wolverhampton, Bst sib —Novel, Bst—The Empress of Russia, est. Betting-6 to 4 agst Ellen Loraine, 2to 1 eget Shrop shire Witch. Wo❑ cleverly by a neck. The Wolverhampton Stakes of 25 sovs. each, 1 ( 5 ft, and 5 only if declared. with 100 added; the second to save his stake. Twice round and a distance. (44 Subs., 27 of whom declared.) Mr. Murphy's Dough, 3 yrs, sst 71b, carried sst 91b 1 Mr. Meiklam's Inheritress, aged, 9st 21b ... 2 Colonel Anson's Laurin°, 4 yrs, est 51b The following also started, but were not placed :—Lord Warwick's Yardley, aged, 7st 911—Mr. Riley na Little Mary, 6 yrs, Est 71b—Mr. I. Day na Counterfeit, aged, est. Betting-5 to 4 agst Dough, 4 to 1 agat Yardley, f to 1 agst Inheritress, 6to 1 agst Laurin°. Dough mad* all the running, and won easily by a length. EGHAM RACES. &SAX, MONDAY NIGHT.—The entries for the Platet, &c., closed this evening, as under:— TUESDAY. The Railway Plate, added to a Sweepstakes of S son. each; for all ages. Three quarters of a mile. Mr. Thompson's eh by Plenipotentiary, to be sold for .£5O Mr. Pearl's Ennui, 5 yrs ,••• SO Duke of Richmond's Nectar, 3 yrs . . ..• ~. 50 Mr. C. J. Sadler's Moodkee, 4 yrs ... ... ... 50 Mr. Drinkald's Man of my Heart, 5 yrs SO Mr. Gibbs's The Countess, aged ... 100 Mr. S. Scott's Daughter of the Star, 3 yrs $0 The Egham Stakes of 5 sous. each, and 30 added. Heats, one mile. Duke of Richmond's Nectar, 3 yrs, to be sold for .£5O Sir G. Heathcote's Astracan, 4 yrs ~, 50 Mr. J. C. Sadler's Moodkee, 4 yrs „„ Mr. Drinkald's Man of my Heart, 5 yrs so Mr. Drewitt's Blind Hookey, aged 50 Sir S. Spry's Sir Hercules mares, 6 yrs ••• inn Mr. Hussey's Embrace, 4 yrs • Vs..• • 50 Mr. Osbaldestone's Buckstone, 3 yrs . Mr. T. Smith's Fugitive, 5 - ••• 50' ... ....0, yrs ... „. ... 5. , WEDNESDAY, The Queen's Plate of 100 guineas, Two miles and s die. Sir G. Heathcote's f by Velocip e d e , out o f Miss Wil frid, 3 yrs—Mr. Elwes'Ei Antagonist, 4 yrs—Mr. Har rison's Pyrrhus the First, 5 yrs—one of Lord Exeter's 3 yrs—Mr. J. B. Day's The Hero, 5 yrs—Mr. Osbal deston's Fugletnan, 3 yru—Duke of Richmond's Vem pyre, 4 yrs. The Members' Plate of 401., &c. Heats, one mile and a half. Mr. F. Clark e ' s B e l lenden 3 yrs—Sir S. Spry', i n by Hercules, 4 yrs—Mr. J. Scott's Tot, 3 yrs. The Magna Charts Stakes did not fill. Egham Races takes place this day and to-morrow, sad promise a very fair amount of sport. As the South- Western Railway, from the completion of the extension to Waterloo-bridge, will now be the route, the company has announced extra trains in the morning and evening, and have made ample arrangements for conveying pas sengers to and fr om Ch er t se y t o Egham, .ham, a distanc e o between three a n d f our m il es . Th e j ourney, there fore,_ s from W a t er l oo b r i dge to the Course, will b e acc om pl ish ed in about an h our an d a quarter . Th e rac ing w ill i CO h m. menee each day at two o'clock. TIM NEW STAMP ACT.—On the 10th.of October next the new Stamp Act of the present Neacion will corns into operation (11th ;Victoria, cap. 9). By this Act all stamp duties are to be continued for three yeah from filo day mentioned. 1'43 'd .... • DISTRIBUTION BETTER THAN DIVISION. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. And drove the golden knife Into the palpitating seat of lire. CIIATTERTON. Sin, —ln my last I endeavoured to s ho w th a t some re formed Bank of Eensgpleacniclaiolyugohnte-topofuunrndisahnbd half-pound of d is notes: the moneyed and unskilful, as d e p os it ors , t o su pply the skilful moneyless with cash, th e mos t use f u l o f a ll implements; the district bank, by means o f it s provin cial knowledge—to hold the st a k es . If it d e p en d e d on themselves, some landlords in P a rli amen t wou ld v ot e count with notes, without remorse " that the landing laud do cease also," and every tenant do pay one half-year's rent at the least on putting his plough into the ground; an hypothesis of hmited injustice not near so great as expecting the ortyrier to live on air and water till Saturday night, or till the master gets paid by his employer. Perhaps the two authorities presenting the clearest ideas on the cur reney matters are those of Sir It. Peel, the first, and Mr. Taylor, both of whom had workmen to pay, which con stituted them bankers. What must Sir Robert's feel ings have been when his own father told him in the House of Coesmons—" You have doubled your fortune and ruined your country: your measure is at once cruel and unnecessary 1" Never was delusion equal to this, about exit of gold, and standards, and foreign exchanges. Mr. Loyd said that " formerly the obligation to discount all commercial hills arising out of legitimate transactions was considered the principle of regulating currency." Whitmore, Go vernor, and Pearce, Deputy-Governor, deposed in 1810, "notes are never in excess if on bills with real purchaser and seller; the acceptor would not pay interest unless the money was wanted," (for business and for return). Of course there were no panics, because no governors and directors verging on bankruptcy to connive at export of gold, with the gross non-sequitur of refusing discounts except to bills they approve. No one then cared or even knew what the standard was: " the real trade in bullion" was and "is one of the slightest businesses:" if you had no loan-firms you would have no exchange-merchaats loading you with 150 millions of bad debts, estimated by Lord Palmerston. Formerly who ever dared transport gold in modern fashion, himself ran a risk of transporta tion. Sir R. Peel coEnplained of " the Bank maintaining an arbitrary preference for such bills." Compare this with the dicta of Loyd, Whitmore, and Pearce, as given above, and you come to a bitter, poisonous tap-root— " A various complicated ill Whose every symptom is enough to kill." I entreat your readers' attention to the effects of a stingy, faithless currency on all mortgages and debts, in cluding the debt, so called, national: nec meus )tic sermo. Supposing a currency, define it as you will, of 20.000,000; 1,000,000 added raises prices of everything five For cent. and 3,000,000 added raises everything fifteen per cent. Mr. tvorman was ere. to 'its,- th.c much to the Committee of 1832. Also, Edinburgh Re , riew, December, 1818, established as a postulate that "if double the usual supply of commodities were brought to market in a country with a limited currency, their money prices would be reduced to half; and if only half the supply were brought, their prices would be doubled; and this whether the cost of production were increased or diminished. Suppose money limited and valuable pro duce of every kind much multiplied, the exchange which this limited amount of money would have to per form would be proportionably greater, and of course a proportionably smaller sum would be devoted to each transac tion, or, which is the same thing, prices would fall." From this and Mr. Norman's illustration it follows, that if 23,000,000 of actual practical national cash or market•money of use and wont are urgently required by the general business of the country, and if we have only twenty millions, the price of every kind of labour is 15 per cent. too low, and the labourer defrauded of hire, of keep just so much, to say nothing of this keep being sold him at tariff prices. But if, which is more than pro bable, the currency is only one-third of what it ought to be, might be, must be, shall be, in amount and activity, then the damages, pressure, and real cost of mortgages and debt are treble what they ought to be, the gains of mortgagee being of course tripled, by the enhanced purchase-power or money's worth of ,our curreut cash, each and every pound of it. And all this is disbelieved while fictions are believed, simply because truth is strange, stranger than fiction; yet the results are worse than any possible statement, because the quantities are all multiplied into one vast co efficient, the loss of hope, which is life. Dolendi iimendl non item. The.moneyed interest have seats in Parliament to watch the case against them; for example, Mr. H. Drummond. Whether this gentleman has a little humbug in his cotn positum or not, whether he is by any chance over rated, or what phase of doctrine soever he happens to maintain just now, skills:not to say. In Parliament he sits as Dr. All-bury, keeping gold sate for loan, ex change, Londo❑ circulation, corn speculation. Polk, Mexican war, and n o banks of discount. Better had this gold been always buried, say Peruvians, still mourn ing their Inca's and hiding their mines. Aurum irrepertum et sic melius situm Cure terra celat spernere fortior Quam cogere humanos in usus Online sacrum rapieute dextr&. Better even that gold should never have served as in Peru, without coinage, a tacit reference and security, a measure or standard of value in all exchanges and trail. sections and industry, though in such a nation, Mr. Prescott shows poverty and crime were unknown. Better so than even risorgimento d'halia, vaunted tramontane reformation and revival of literature, which an increased circulation, demanding labour, stopping ouvriers' mouths, with instant compromise of public and private debts, poured on mediaeval barbarism ! From conquests of Mating) to Coun cil of Trent scarcely a dozen years, and yet, what a change! Easy it is to underrate the advantages of circulation; impossible to overstate the evils of obstruc tiveness and morbid congestion. Money is " drawn up from labour market into interest market;" instead of market money we have money market, not bread-and cheese market. The tendency of our customs is into a more than Malthusian dilemma, contraction at geome• trice!, hoarding at arithmetical progression—in a word, Hudsonism, inflammation of mortgages by scarcity of money, with Dr. All - bury's assiduous depletion , trans fors whole counties , as Surrey , to mortgagee bankers; but these broad acres add nothing to security of banks when carefully secured from liabilities which we never k n ow. All we know is, that one bank is as good as another, provided they keep to rules and regulations, for the Bank of England is there to " protect" the London circulation. Ages of luxury and excitement have debi litated the nobles; the currency which carried us through Napoleon's wars put them in their places for a moment, by lightening their debts, effecting sales of corn with monopoly of employments; but not content with this, they formed ambitious schemes, especially in Ireland, took every title they could invent, and invented owners, and, tenure, the o equityu House o f of Lords re. and apologised, dm o every title they could think o f. Th ey ran i n d e b t , t h e i r debts are trebled in cost and d amages an d pressure t h ey are now, as Bish o p Wilberforce d by way of told logised, mere mortgagers, land-letters, farm building en p io. Come bill-di scounters — come insurance brokers, annuity-buyers, money-scriveners --the serf pays :.•.11, the subject race, the frieze•coated Oderint duet metwant !—Dirt. I have done, 11. C. ARGENT. ST°tWE e Post.) The first leading articlt h of th e ; (From Times of yesterday is devoted to an exceedingly inflated account of the present condition of th e Duke of Buckingham's princely man sion at Stowe. All the effects there are in the auc tioneer's hands, a nd about to be gold to the highest bidder. Th e fact is mournful enoug h, and needed not all the e xaggerat i ons of that penny. a line sort of elo quence which o ur con t emporary h as b es t owe d u p on it. If any other journal had trespassed but half as much in a similar way, the literary gentlemen who live by sneer ing would have jested upon it for a month. But, to be commercially " influential" is enough to awe these inde pendent a n d v i r t uous sat i r i s t s i n t o r es pectful silence. Ws pass, however, from the malicious caricature of pecuniary distress and household ruin, to th• savage attack upon the unfortunate Duke of Buckingham with which the article concludes. Our contemporary has been remarkable for some time past for the harsh, disparaging, almost calumnious tone in which its ela borate obituary notices have been written. Scarcely a man of note disappears from this troubled scene of life without having his character, almost immediately afterwards, painted in the most unfavourable colours by our contemporary's obituary artist. A refinement upon this cruelty seems now to have been hit upon, and while a man yet lives to have the bitterness of reproach added to the agony of a ruined estate, the Times comes forward to say the very harshest things which a malig nant imagination could suggest of a nobleman sinking amid the utter wreck of his once proud fortunes. We do not pretend to have any knowledge of the private affairs of the Duke of Buckingham which would en title us to speak with authority upon the subject. We can only deal with the subject of his misfortunes in so far as they have become matter of public notoriety. Our contemporary insists that it is matter of public notoriety that the Duke of Buckingham has not only ruined himself, but that he has deceived and ruined his son, the Marquis of Chandos. Not only is the Duke accused of " wilful folly," and of giving, at his son's expense, to " expensive tradesmen, and extortionate nioneplenders better security than they con templated when they first sold their goods and lent their money," but a distinct charge of the cruellest kind is made against that unfortunate parent. "It is notorious," says the Tinies, " that the Duke; by the use of a passionate and overpowering persuasion, induced his amiable son, now in his twenty-fifth year, to cut off the entail of all the property in which his Grace was in terested. If the ruinous compliance was yielded to re presentations which subsequently proved to be incorrect —if the Duke urged the step only as a formal act which he would soon set right by re-settling the estates, we will gladly concede to him the excuse of utter ignorance or frenzied desperation. Let it be that he did not know what he was about. The world, however, will view the act as a whole. The world has a certain opinion of the son who ruins his father, and it will not have a more favourable opinion of the father who has ruined his son, or rather both his children." As to the matters of fact here asserted or insinuated, we are only in a condition to deny that they were " notorious until—whether true or talse—our contem porary made them so yesterday morning. We may . . however, be permitted to observe tha t the statement is improbable. Such things as the signing of deeds to cut off the entail are not generally. done u he ,, imp . o . h e of " passionate and overpowering pe po rsuasi n t on. bu l c , affairs are not generally managed, n or is it eas i ly . con ceivable how they could -be managed, without titer- Tendon and assistance of some respectable solicitor. Every one knows ,that it if the first duty of professional • o. I o mg Or )1- IS, ent r to ire• hus the, les. are. ith atilt lOTO dit hen at $ 6 Y•). hre• ,lux• tb. tar/ irOat etiO e to le of ouo• rein chip• PPert w o a nd light iver f the nos ying berg Tenet Bud I t b. .io• ;D el sad tbaS 1 bi° ~~