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CI r‘ r ” - - 1: T 0-11_14 JAJJL lii II SUN OFFICE, Seven o'cloc4. THE PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The Earl of DEVON took the oath and his seat. Lord DENMAN took his seat on the Woolsack at five o'clock. A Message from the Commons, by Sir M. S. Stewart, brought up the Gouroch Harbour Bill, and other private bills, which were severally read a first time. The Bishop of LICHFIELD and COVENTRY pre sented petitions from Matlock and other places against any other appropriation of Church property than to eccle siastical purposes, such as the building of churches, schools, or parsonages. He trusted the Ministry would reconsider their opinion upon the subject, for their present avowed ones would tend to subvert the Protestant religion. A Peeress (name unknown) was sworn at the table by Lord Denman. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition most respectably signed to his own knowledge ; signed also without any of the usual means of canvassing - , by 2000 persons in two days, they stated they were of all opinions, both in politics and religion, but they united in considering all taxes upon newspapers as a tax upon useful knowledge, and the great cause of much of the crime now so prevalent in the kingdom. The Earl of HAREWOOD presented a petition against the Islington Market Bill, from Croydon, Dunstable. The Duke of BUCCLEUGH presented several petitions from Dunkeld, Edinburgh, Dunglass, and other places, for a a further endowment of the Church of Scotland. Similar petitions were then presented by the Duke of RICH- MOND. The Nmsts DUKE then presented a petition from Clare, praying for the introduction of Poor Laws into Ire land, founded upon the forty-third of Queen Elizabeth. He was most anxious to see such a measure proposed, because be thought they would tend much to increase the comforts of the poor, and to the diminution of crime in that country. The Earl of LIMERICK was very sorry that he was , obliged to differ from his Noble Friend. He could not see that it was at all possible to assimilate the laws of England • Land. Ireland. He wished that the events in the latter country would allow of such an assimilation ; but no one who was at all acquainted with Ireland and its inha bitants but must allow that it was perfectly impossible.- - ( Hear, hear, hear.) He could not think that the intro duCtion- of Laws into Ireland, which had cripped the ener gies of rich England, and bowed them almost to the earth, could by any possibility benefit Ireland- He would venture to say that there was less real call for poor laws in that country, for there were no cases of poverty that were not instantly re lieved by the neighbours and gentry ; and there was no country in which the feelings of parent and child, and child and parent, were so strong. • : The Duke of RICHMOND then presented another peti tion to the same effect from Tullamore and its vicinit:,. He would merely say in answer to his Noble Friend, that ha we aware that the introduction of Poor Laws would take away, certain degree, the superfluity of the rich—(Cheers)—but that was the very thing he wanted—(Cheers) —it was the en:i he proposed. In every country there ought to be a principle esta blished that no one should be allowed to starve. It was well known that on a late occasion, a large sum of money was sub scribed from this country for the relief of the Poor of Ireland. then if the rich in England were pressed .o the earth with their own poor laws, surely it was too much to ask them for money to relieve those whom the landlords of Ireland ought to support. He was glad, however, to hear, that the objection to poor laws was now given up because of the impossibility of working out the details of the Bill, and that it was now merely put on the ground of the charity in the county being enough for I;ns purpose. That might be case on the Noble Earl's estates, and those of some more Noble Lords, but be was sure that there vast tracts of country where there were no resident proprietors where the people were in the ut most misery, and actually without the means of subsistence. Ho would have moved a resolution on the subject last year, had the Government not taken up the measure, and issued a Commission, which he was sorry had not yet reported. He - treated they would do so soon ; and he hoped they would next year have the attention of Parliament called to the subject by the Royal command. The Earl of LIMERICK rose, and was left speaking. HOUSE OF COVL'UONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at half-past three o'clock. On the motion of Sir M. S. STEWART, the Gourock Harbour Bill was read a third time and passed. The East India Dock Bill was read a third time and passed, on the motion of Mr. Clay. Major BERKELEY presented a petition from the owners of flys and vans. complaining of the duties upon their carriages. DORCHESTER LABOURERS. Mr. CLAY presented a petition from the Tower Hamlets, and Mr. AGLIONBY presented one from a place, the name of which we could not catch, praying that a pardon might be granted to the Dorchester labourers, on the ground that the Act un der which they were convicted was passed for quite a different offence to that of which they were guilty. Mr. BAINES presented a petition to the same effect from Leeds. Mr. POWER presented a like petition, but from what place could not be heard, owing to the low tone in which the Hon. Member spoke. TIMBER DUTIES. Lord SANDON presented a petition from the ship-own • an d burgesses of Liverpool against any alteration in the duties s , - in foreign timber. THE LIVERPOOL CORPORATION. " - The Nones LORD also presented a petition, signed by 2,500 persons, against certain parts of the Municipal Corporation Re form Bill, which are calculated to deprive them of many privi leges which they had hitherto enjoyed, and which, as freemen, they consider themselves entitled to retain. Also one from the Corporation of Liverpool, stating the manner in which the said Bill was likely to injure the various local interests and public bodies of the town of Liverpool. The petitioners did not express 11 any opposition to the general principle of the Bill, but they con ceived that their rights ought to be respected. . ~, Mr. EWART would no t contradict the allegations, or op_ ,pose the prayer of the petition, but he trusted that the House would act in a manner consistent with its sense of public duty, and in a ccordance with the universal opinion of the country. NEW MEMBER FOR CARLOW. Mr. Sheriff RAPn.AEL, who was introduced by Mr. O'Con. nel and the O'Connor Don, took the oaths and his seat as • Member for the County of Carlow. Lord SANDON resumed, and said that in reference to the last petition from the Corporation of Liverpool, it prayed thet the House would provide securely for the payment of the debts due by the Corporation, and that a sinking fund should be provided out of the Corporation funds, before they were ap_ plied to other public purposes. They also represented that there had been contracts for the improvement of the town to a large amount, and as a security for these debts they prayed that these contracts should be confirmed by the provisions of the Act. They also prayed that the House would provide for existing interests and inchoate rights. There were many circumstances connected with the Ecclesiastical establishment, which, as they would come before the House in .another shape, he would not make any observations upon. There must be sonic provision made not only for the interests of existino• clergymen, who had accepte d their situations up n o the faith of the continuance of a certain income, but a permanent provision must be made to secure the services of future clergy_ men. • There were other points on which it was necessary that some legislation should take place, either by a separate Bill, orr`by a clause in the Municipal Corporations Bill. It did not appear to him which course would be the most convenient. They also represented the state in which this Dill would Com place the vast' dock estates of Liverpool. By certain trus mittee was constituted of 21 parsons in number, of whom 13 were numbers of the Corporation, elected for 9 years. This provision would he inconsistent with the. Bill before the House, and unless some pros ision were made, the Dock estate would be thrown into a state of great confusion. There were. various other parts of the Act inconsistent with the Corporation as it at present existed, but he would not enter into it at present, but would content himself with moving that the petition do lie 'upon the table, and he called upon Hon. Members and tl.e Governonent, when it was printed, to give that attention to it which the interests ofso great a body so imperatively called for. Mr. EWART said that many of the statements in that pe tition were very objectionable ; and if there were no other ground for opposing its prayer, it might be found in the discussion which took place in that House last night, when it had been stated that a merchant of Liverpool had been charged 1,4001. in one year, merely because he was not a freeman of the town.—( Hear.) He regretted that the pet:- . tion should , contain a request to embody the provisions of a local Act in the general Corporation Reform Bill. Lord SANDON explained. T he p etitioners merely pray( d that a certain provision of that Act would be embodied in the sill. Mr. EWART hoped the House would not sanction the introduction_ of any particular provision for paying the clergy totally and uncontrollably out of the funds of the Corpora tion.--(Cries of Hear, hear.) He hoped the House would not interfere with the wholesome controul which existed under the present system of voluntary payment, by the insertion of any specific enactment. He would not enter further into the subject at present, as he felt t;':at this w as not the proper time. But so far as he could, he would prevent any attempt to E x permanently upon the funds of the Corporation the pay . ment of the Clergy, which had been previously voluntary. Mr. THORNLEY said a good deal of remark had been made upon the risk of the bondholders. It was true the Cor poration owed a debt of 800,0001., but they had an income of .100,0001. per annum. The Dock Company owed a debt of 1,400,0001., but they bad an income of 200,0001 There was not, therefore, so much risk to the holders of the Bonds as had been imagined. He would support the Bill for effecting a Reform in the Corporation of Liverpool with all . his heart. Me BAINES thought that with an income of 100,000/. tt ik yea ; the Corporation should have been Phle to provide very 01, good accorerned2tion. When the No'ole Lord spoke tit. ~,;it wV l7,at,lws. t :ltr•tertnes. of] ulfigißm a fof liseinoodense Llsis a ha ieg onla 4 t, e , a 4 a: 047.10 flithit l 44-14 et o ffil ro lra ti c AI 412pftwodr,tipti. al s lntfc i st 'vs,'""Y444 l / I &rte , Wftlild s kilililikia -s u c bjfte Ithiitvilki 6U 'o tlt ll a ' . t•-:1 1 asi,,)• ! 1' a te e gilopyt f iadlaytalt s til th °Aloe* era" Ktagvi ° , e , ....ift taioillteailrt,Micitt tinamtpie;ellik,l7'espasmiliwit3ottop4MeFf' .Tl' , .4fnit t i l ivt, f tr it l e th r - st ilawY i l,t kfiAllktChkt - iilkt ~ 'l ` l i rt- t fi' ' ' 1 .I,ep .< ..eatit Aat l o ppri n iAJkikifitl )4potitt ofpg.ipp ~ .;s 6 aavl . -INow the mestion br wisiferPto atik - 7aß'nlibtinicidiasfeteu . ilble s" • could not be applied to the support of the derv, without I . v . t eotanrse to tile funds of the Corporation. He thought lil that [NGS• Y. reaentedo to grant tahire orcheater, n an ca tb thoreupa ill. , ccupiert 0 ` crop. 11 Geo. 111• d Board of NI th• Pe es of that redings 0 1g his Me leetwood'o Diplons' eatraeu" l ate eertai ll , nd Ti' so IL 0 0- ir y of the !onfilned Bar of 0° ching ger.. I resdil3k with Oil' :nus: Fosr h e shep ro, rite ; fit wcastle to regtwartl; Flee t ' ad Elan , from the I remattlf W. S. W • NV. F,ard G•dernsel 'oods and ed to-dal the Ann! Diemen 0 gales and o Janeiro, they, and Dlds, from ten, from Arnold , , Morris, d Shark , blabPn• from in, rora N" . id Susas Martin , iah. RN, or t he Ina. . i . W sles, l' 100. 3'i•. —' 386. 114 280. 5d I ss. 61/* 3att i .„ d at tp a/or , of P re. e anW les the Re' ilsonont • popul a , 'erage On th e laps, ° lightll Ca theper Yerf 31,331 i i" ice eanit• tccouot , sent. ; India A again' ip, wilo / ' more 0 >I th- 0; )N... ati sient Z. 1.; bot h incss 1 ' 1 .7 - mgal: 1111 F fig th e uee Bilig 260 61; rices tegtiosei enibled :- unde r ' e tbew )CIC •....• 6 pw ~,.. ss~~ • of .. 96 ▪ P°l' 101 1 ,en r. - ...10' • •0` 4 ii-P`:l t'n tr gie . coat° tO Fefee‘ NI &elf' ul like; ore, sPo be an nrraknfrement to wvielt no po.ible ohjetior be made. Lord SANDON said it was a very difficult legal question —he had no doubt the Clergy bad an undoubted claim upon the property in question—which was not much. Lately the Churchwardens had petitioned to have the poor rates drawn out of the Corporation funds. Mr. M. PHILIPS said he must bear testimony to the fact, that the money collected by the Corporation of Liverpool was laid out in a very splendid, ornamental, and certainly very useful manner; but it was a heavy tax upon the trade and commerce of the country, and notwithstanding all the splen dour and taste with which it was spent, he could not allow that those ships which did not receive any benefit from the docks should be obliged to pay for them. The petition was then laid on the table. Mr. CA VE NDISH presented a petition from the innkeepers of a place in East Sussex, praying for the better observance of the Lord's Day. Mr. WILES presented a petition from a congregation in Bristol, complaining of the vast number of beer-houses wiiio were licensed. Mr. O'CONNELL said it would have been better had the petitioners complained of the Clubs, and the drinking of champagne.—(Laughter.) Dr. BOWRING presented a petition from Rutherglen re lative to the Imprisonment for Debt and arrest of wages in Scotland. Colonel WESTENRA presented a petition from Tuna mole, praying for the abolition of Tithes. Mr. • FITZSIMON cordially supported the prayer of the petition. _ Mr. AGLIONBY presented a petition from the mill owners of Keswick, praying for an alteration in the Factory Mr. FECTOR presented a petition from the Mayor, Al dermen, and Common Councilmen of the city of Rochester, against the Corporation Bill. The Hon. Gentleman was pro ceeding to read it at length, when he was interrupted by The SPEAKER, who said there was an order of .the House against that waste of time, except in particular cases. Mr. FECTOR then moved that it be read by the Clerk at the table. Mr. Gl SBORNE rose to order. The course the Hon. Gentleman was pursuing was a mere evasion of the order of the House. He did not expect that the House would allow its orders to be so set aside. Sir GEORGE CLERK said that the course the Hon. Gentleman was pursuing was the regular one. Every petition ought to be read.—( Laughter.) It was the regular form— the question was put upon every petition " that it be read." Mr. ROBINSON rose to address the Hoti*,e, but could n:.)t proceed in consequence of the general cries for the reading of the petition. • The petition was read at length by the Clerk of the House. It prayed that a qualification would be introduced into the Bill, by which their rights should be protected. _ Mr. C. BULL ER would not enter into an examination of the atlegations of the petition, but he did not think that the Bill would produce any of those lamentable effects to society, in Rochester especially. after the admissions which they them ielves had made.—(Hear, hear.) Party fcelit,g6 ~f ,b2 ,- ,:.-ription appeared to (•:dstud there for a beg alld the Corporation had - eareinliy. excluded 'ail Th(! from the Government of the city who were not of their o, party, and the effect was, that the most respectable inha bitants of the city were deprived of those privileg•es to which they were entitled, in common with their citizens.—( Hear, hear.) Besides this, the Corporation had resisted an investigation into their accounts, none of which had been made public for several years.—( Hear, hear.) In deed, the governing body came to a resolution that the town clerk should produce any documents whatever to the Corpora tion Commissioners.—( Hear, hear.) . _ Mr. FECTOR. said the evidence in the Report of the Commissioners was erroneous, and in some parts very contra dictory.—( Hear.) STAMP DUTIES. An HON. MEMBER (whose name was unknown in the Gal lery) presented a petition from Lymington Priors in favour of the repeal of the stamp duty on newspapers. Mr. BARNARD presented a petition from Inverness, pray ing for an alteration of the laws respecting landlords and tenants, and requesting the same might be referred to a Com mittee. BEER SHOPS. Mr. GULLY presented a petition from Pontefract against the Beer Shops, and in favor of measures for the establish ment of temperance. Mr. WIL:LIAMS presented petitions from the weavers of Coventry, and the Tower Hamlets, praying for relief. Sir J. C. HOBHO USE presented a similar petition from 5000 of the weavers of Nottingham. TAXES ON NEWSPAPERS. Mr. K. TYNTE piesented tipetition from the lace-weavers of So►rersetshire, praying for the repeal of the taxes upon newspapers. IRISH CHURCH. Mr. BARRON moved that there be laid before the House a copy of the oath taken by the Protestant Clergy in Ireland on being inducted to their livings. Sir G. CLERK objected to the return on the ground of expense. The Hon. Member ought to state some reason to the House to induce them to agree to his return, and he ought at least to have given notice of his motion. Mr. BARRON believed that the Protestant clergy took an oath on being inducted to their livings, to maintain a school in the living to which they were inducted, and he believed that that oath had not been kept. Sir JOHN HOBHOUSE wished to know whether the Hon. Member had givenuotice of this motion ? Mr. BARRON had not given notice, but he would give no tice now that he would move for this return to-morrow.--( Hear. ) FACTORY BILL. Mr. HUTT moved that there be laid upon the table of the House the regulations adopted by the Inspectors of Factories under the Factory Regulation Act. Mx. HANDLEY gave notice that, when those returns were laid on the table, he would move for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the present Act, and tolintroduce a new Bill, founded upon the Report of ;he Commissioners. DUTY ON SALT. Mr. WILBRAHAM begged to ask the Right Hon. the President of the Board of Control, whether it was the inten tion of his Majesty's Government to take any steps to put an end to the monopoly enjoyed by the East India Company in the manufacture of Salt ? Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said his attention had been di rected to the subject since he came into office. The Hon. Member was not perhaps aware that the income of the Com pany on the manufacture of salt amounted to 1,600,0001. per annum—(Hear). He was notaviare that the. Government intended to make any alteration in the law relating to this subject. The despatches sent out to the Indian Government on the 15th of April last, left the monopoly in the same con dition as it had previoUsly stood. He begged to assure the Hon. Member that the subject should have his best attention, and that he would endeavour to make such an arrangement as would be satisfactory. . . Mr. WILBRAHAM gave notice that next session he should bring forward a measure upon the subject. A Message from the Lords informed the House that their Lordships had agreed to several Bills sent up from that House. Sir GEORGE CLERK presented a petition from a place in Scotland, against the immoderate use of ardent spit its. TAXES ON KNOWLEDGE. Mr. ROBINSON presented a petition from members of a society for the encouragement of the Fine Arts at Worcester, p;•aying for a repeal of the Taxes on Knowledge. Mr. HUME presented a petition to the same effect from between 2,000 and 3,000 intabitants of Bristol. He hoped a reformed Parliament would recollect that an educated people were more easily managed and better conducted than an igno rant people. Mr. HANDLEY presented a petition from the borough of Stamford in favour of the Municipal Corporation Reform Bill. Mr. IL STEWART presented a petition from Hadding - t-m in favour of the Bill for the abolition of Imprisonment for Debt. CORPORATION REFORM. Mr. GISBORNE presented a petition to which he wished to call the earnest attention of the House. It. was from the Deputies of several corporate towns and boroughs, at present in London, expressing their regret at the decision the House had come to last night with respect to the 10th clause of the Municipal Corporation Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") They were most anxious that this petition should be presented before any further discussion took place upon that measure. „ • REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS. Sir MICHAEL SHAW STEWART, seeing the Member for Haddington in his place, begged to ask whether he meant to proceed with his Bill for the Registration of Births, Mar riages, and Deaths ? _ Mr. ROBERT STE WART, in answer to the Hon. Ba rone‘t, begged to state that it was not his intention to pro ceed with thi s Bill i n t h e present Session, but having twice had the honour to introduce the measure to the House, he begged to state, injustice to the House and to himself, that his reason for abandoning the Bill was from a conviction that it was a measure which could only be satisfactorily carried through the House as a Government measure, aad as his Majesty's Ministers had been urgently called upon to intro duce a measure for establishing •an uniform system of re gistration throughout the whole empire, hg (Mr. R. S.) had determined to press his bill no further at : present, in the earnest hope that that important question would be taken up by them early in the ensuing session. IPSWICH ELECTION. Mr. HAWES presented a petition from John Pilgrim one of the parties in custody under the Speaker's warrant for a breach of the privileges of the House of Commons. The Hon. Member felt it his duty to lay certain facts stated in the petition before the House. The petitioner had been 30 years precaang this chair a confidential clerk .to the firm of • Sewcli, Blake, and Sewell, solicitors of Norwich, and he stated that he had been entirely under their control; also, tt:at when be left England to go to Canada, in order to evade the execution of the Speaker's notice, that he was' asked by the House of Sewell to give a note, which he did, for the purpose of giving a colour to his absence ; and tbat he received the sum of twenty pounds to pay his expense s. when absent, however, he became naturally anxious to get hemp and see his family. On returning to Norwich he was arrested on a criminal charge, and he now states that what ever j mni mipd a FtOt ,be cit.st upon.his„4mty d ir, h,e was nwillal4a4B kpi lileY 6 „i• th'imvi afi th.nowebeaCepte ~, ,,,,01.4hiptiti,c, e r1 , - -e% . 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He (Mr. Hawes) should now bring up the petition, hoping that the last request would at least be granted, and, as a matter of form, he gave notice that he should to-morrow move that Pilgrim should be discharged. Mr. GROTE rose to support the petition. Mr. HUME suggested to the Hon. Member for the City of London that the petition should be first read. He said so, because from what had taken place since the commence ment of this business, it appeared that men of respectable charac ter had been concerned in defeat the purposes of public justice. The question then.would arise, whether a Special Committee should not be appointed to ascertain the truth of those facts. —( Hear, hear.) Not only did these individuals appear to be implicated, but men holding . the rank of magistrates in the county of Norfolk had becothe involved very much in this mat ter, and a thorough investigation was therefore necessary. lie hoped that the petition would be allowed to be read now, is order that to-morrow the question might be brought fully before the House. . Mr. Neele that she had tint cuff'-red enough to prevent her ti.orn committing a like offence. He called a _witness on one side, and asked him particularly whether he thought she meant to drown her Self, or it was only Pretence. Cross-examined by Sir F. Pou.ocx.—Mr. Neele came alone about six or seven o'clock. Mr. Birch and Mrs. Birch's sister came in about an hour afterwards. Could not say how they went away, as he had gone to bed. , His servant and daughter attended Mrs. Birch. Several letters were put in and read, and this closed the case on the part of the plaintiff: Sir F. Pot.i.ocx then addressed the Jury on behalf of the defendant. It was no question for the Jury whether Mr. and Mrs. Birch lived happily together, or whether Mr. Birch was a fond and indulgent husband. Not a syllable had been said against that ; indecd the defendant himself admitted it. Mr. Necle had p.eae.ed not guilty, and he, as his advocate, un dertook to satisfy the Jury, that under the circumstances of the case, it would be against all justice to find him guilty. If, as had been stated, the union of Hr. and Mrs. Birch was blessed with the approbation of both families, was it not singu lar that no witness had been called who was a relation to any of the parties ? He was at a loss to know why, when Mr. and Mrs. Birch separated in November, their household was divided ; in common one firing with Mi. Birch fora certain period, and then going to reside with Mrs. Birch, one :child residing with its mother, and after a certain period going to live with its father; and strange to say the two servants, theone residing with Mrs. Birch, and the other vvith Mr. Birch, were the only two witnesses to prove this singular case. It was singular also, if Mrs. Birch had been guilty of that with which she was charged, that Mr. Birch allowed their children alternately to re side with their degraded mother. Allthat was important to Mr. Neele was whether the verdict was for the plaintiff or the de fendant, as it would drive him from the honourable profession of which he was a member, and - would send him forth a vaga bond without friends on the face of the earth. The amount of damages was not what Mr. Neele dreaded—he feared the loss of that which was more valuable, namely, the Joss of his cha racter and station in life. The Learned Counsel having concluded his address to the jury on behalf of the defendant, the Lord Chief Justice summed up the case, and the jury had not returned their ver dict when we went to press. Mr. WARBURTON thought with the Hon. Member for Middlesex, that the appointment of a Committee would be by far the most convenient course. If these prisoners were brought to the bar of that House to be examined, lie would suggest that the House should meet at twelve o'clock to examine them, in order that they might not inter fere with the important public business then before them. Mr. GISB 0 RNE— If the House examined those prisoners at the bar, they would adopt a course that had never been adopted before. In every case they were heard by petition and not by a vivi voce examination, and they that should be,l.ought to the bar simply to be reprimanded and discharge He agreed with the Hon. Member for Middlesex, that a committee ought to be appointed to investigate the circumstances of the case, and he thought that this would be a much superior course to examining the parties at the bar of the House, even if there was a precedent for that purpose.--(Hear, hear.) He would not throw any impediments in the way of this motion— indeed, he would be very sorry if the motion were not adopted, as otherwise to-morrow being Friday Mr. Pilgrim would necessarily be detained till Monday ; and under the cir cumstances of there being an action pending against him he would be glad when the petition was read if the petitioner were discharged. Mr. "WA SON concurred in the prayer of the petition, under the circumstances stated by the Hon. Member for Lam beth. - _ IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, JrNa 24 AFFAIRS OF SPAIN. • ( Concluded from our Second Edition of last night.) Lord MAHON He really, count not but wish that the Noble Lord had on this occasion allowed him self to be.guided by the opinion of the. Noble Duke who pre ceded him in office. If there was one opinion which the Duke of Wellington had expressed in those official dispatches which were under the cognizanse of the Noble Lord—if there was one feeling which more than another the Noble Duke had ex pressed, it was his aversion to all foreign intervention in the affairs of Spain. He wished now to call the attention of Hon. Members to an authority which he was sure would have great weight with them ; and he had the greater pleasure in refer ring to it because it consisted of a passage which was expressed in such beautiful language as would, he was sure, excite the admiration of the House. The passage in question he should quote from a speech delivered in this House by Lord Palmerston on the 30th of April, 1e23, upon the occasion of a motion made by Mr. MacDonald respecting the negotia tions relative to Spain. The Noble Lord said—" But an objection had also been taken to the chaneel through which this advice was tendered. He differed entirely from those who urged such an objection ; and he could not but think that the choice of the Duke of Wellington as the person by whom this advice was to be given, was most delicate towards Spanish feelings, and most consistent with regard to Spanish honour. if there was any man in Europe from whom advice to Spain would flow free from the remotest taint of suspicion, and might be taken by all Spaniards as dictated by the sin cerest regard for Spain, it was the Duke of Wellington. It is often said, that nothing creates so strong an affection as the consciousness of benefits conferred. If ever there was a man who conferred upon any nation benefits which should call down blessings on his head from every voice, from the lisping accents of infancy to the tremulous benedictions of age, that man was the Duke of Wellington—that nation the Spanish people. It is also true in the principles of human nature, that man loves the theatre of his glory and the companions of his triumphs. The proudest laurels which encircled the brow of the Duke of Wellington were gathered in the sterile and unfruitful field of Spain ; it was in the provinces of the Peninsula and surrounded by its co-ope rating population that he displayed those various qualities which form the character of the unconquernd general and the consummate statesman—characters which, rare in their separate existence, are uncommon indeed in their union in the same individual ; it was there that he established that imperish able fame that will last while history endures.. Was it in human nature that the Duke of Wellington should not take the warmest interest in all that concerns Spain and the Spanish people ? Was it possible that they should not feel, that advice from him came as free from suspicion as from the best pa triot in Spain • and could they suppose that the man who had rescued Spain from subjection, and washed out from her soil the pollution of invading footsteps in the blood of the defeated invader could counsel Spain to dishonour ?" eRIM. CON.—BIRCH V. NEELE. 1 The Noble Lord went on with some remarks most strictly ap (Concluded from our First Edition.) plicable to present circumstances. " Had we engaged in the Cross-examined by Sir F. Pou.oce.—Told Mr. Birch at war, it is by an army alone that we could have given effectual the first meeting that she believed Mr. Neele was in her mis- assistance ; and from the first moment that an English soldier tress's room. Her master would not believe it. Witness said set foot on the Peninsula, we should by necessity have become that she was sure that she had heard her mistress's door shut, principals in the war, and upon us would have fallen the but did not recollect that she had said it was bolted. Did not whole burthen of the contest ; for we must have sent a say that clean sheets had been put on the bed, as herself and large army or none at all. To have sent a force so small fellow servant wished to say -as little as possible. Had as to depend upon Spanish co-operation and support, and said that she had seen a kindness on the part of Mr. Neele not large enough to act independently, and to stand which was not right. That he came often when Mr. Birch upon its own resources, would have been to expose us was not at home. Had never said that she had seen Mr. Neele to the certainty of defeat and disgrace, and wilfully to cross over to her mistress's room. Had said that she was sure drag in the dirt the laurels -we gained in the lest war." Mr. Neele was in her mistress's room, though her mistress po- He admitted that this passage applied to regular, and sitively denied it. Had no reason for sa y ing she was sure of not to mercenary armi e s ; but unless the Noble Lord would that, except the door being shut. Mr. Birch asked witness say that the proposed expedition was not undertaken with the why she -was sure her mistress was with Mr. Nude, but did sanction of the Gov ernmen t, h e cou ld n o t conc e i v e th a t there not recollect -what answer she gave. Did not recollect was any great difference in effect. The Noble Lord concluded any thing else that passed between them. Her mis- with a motion to the effect that there. be laid before the House tress and the witness had had a few words. "Witness a copy of the Order in Council exempting his Majesty's sub said that she was uncomfortable. Her mistress asked her what jects who may enter the s e rvice of the Queen of Spain from she was uncomfortable about ? The same night her mistress the provisions of the Foreign Enlistmeno_Aet ;. and also copies told the circumstance to Mr. Birch, and witness and her fel- of all communications on that subject which may have passed low-servant were called into the parlour before her and Mr. between his Majesty's Ministers and the Minister at this Court Birch, to explain the reason of her being uncomfortable. of the Queen of Spain. Another meeting took place either in December or Ja- Viscount PALMERSTON should willingly give his sup nuary. Mr. Neele then said that she had told the port to any motion, such as that of the Noble Lord, which master that he had been in their mistress' room, which tended to lay more fully before the House and the public the he most positively denied,—and, upon witness attempting nature of the transaction to which those papers referred—the to speak, she was prevented from doing so. Mr. Neele gene- grounds on which' it rested. He was glad that-the Noble Lord, sally dined at her masters' on Sunday, and leuehed generally in the beginning of his speech, bad • cleared away in some re once or twice a week. Her master was sometimes at home spects those points on which a difference of opinion might have on those occasions, and sometimes not e but he was not aware been supposed to exist between them, -and that he had how long he stopped. Mr. Neele had slept at the house since stated it not to be his intention to question either the le- July, when her master and mistress were absent. Mrs. Birch gality of the Order in Council, or the poliey - of the treaty left the Rectory in November. , Mr. Neel was very popular, of the Quadruple •Alliance. At the same time, he (Lord Pal very regular in his attendance upon the Church, very attentive merston) must be permitted to remark, • that holding. as he to the poor, and was, thought very highly of. did, that the measure under discussion greW out of that Re-examined by Mr. PLATT—Witness told her mistress she treaty as its natural consequence, and , was conceived was uncomfortable. Her master, who was present, asked the purely in the spirit of it, he could ' not but express his reason, when witness said her mistress knew the reason. surprise that the Noble Lord should ' abstain from ques- To which her mistress replied, she might tell her master all tioning the policy of the treaty, when he. had so strongly about it, ,as she could fight her own battles. Witness condemned the policy of that measure which he ( Lord said she would not, as she did not wish to make them Palmerston) looked on as its corollary.—( Hear, • hear, hear.) uncomfortable; the mistress insisted that she would tell all He was glad to have then an opportunity, which circum she knew before she left the room. Witness said she would stances had deprived him of on Friday evening, of giving his not, unless her fellow-servant was present. B o th Mr. Birch testimony to the policy of the convention signed by Lord and Mr. Neele assisted in administering the Sacrament. Eliot and Colonel Gurwood, and of saying that he thought Mary Blowes, who was examined by Mr. BROWN, corrobo- it redounded highly to the credit of ' the Government by whose rated the statements of last witness. Had left the Rectory instructions it had been proposed, and regarded it as an act about seven months, and had been living with Mrs. Birch at of which they might be proud, as one•• advantageous to all Holloway. parties concerned.—(Hear; hear.) He •was .equally ready to On cross-examination by Sir F. Poeeocn, the witness stated bear testimony to the fair, sincere, and honourable manner in that one of the children was sometimes with Mr. Birch, and which the late Government conducted the foreign relations of at other times with Mrs. Birch. Had told Mr. Birch that this country in reference to the contest in Spain, and the exe she had suspicions with respect to her mistress and Mr. Neele. cution of the Quadruple Treaty. The Noble Lord had quoted Re-examined by Mr. PLATT—Had conversed with Mr. from a speech which he (Lord Prlmerston) had made on a Birch upon the subject only once, when Mr. Neele was not former occasion, a passage in which he had stated the opinion present. Had always stated the same account. which he entertained, to the effect that the Duke of Wel- Mr. John Williams resided at Hackney. Was a clerk in lington was, from the services which he hed'rendered to Spain, the Bank . of England. Knew Mr. and Mrs. Birch before peculiarly entitled to be the counsellor of Spain in the hour they were married. Before residing at the Rectory Mr. of difficulty, and must be looked upon as one who had the Birch lived at Mr. Lushington's. Mr. Birch was married interest of Spain at heart. He (Lord Palmerston) had not to Mrs. B. in about fifteen months afterwards. Th e y appeared altered in one iota the opinions expressed in that speech, to live on terms of affection with each other up. to 1833, when and what he had seen of the records of the Office over which Mr. Birch appeared in a distressed state of mind, and requested lie had the honour to preside, relative to the manner in which witness to call upon Mr.- Neele ;he did so, when that gentleman the Duke of .Wellington had acted in the - execution of the stated he was guiltless of any criminality, for Mrs. Birch had engagements of the • treaty of the Quadruple Alliance had come to his bed-room,, and he f e lt s ur p r is e d a t e n di ng a person in only tended to: convince hint the more that the Duke of bed; when,he found it was e Mes. Bi rc h be c l aspe d her to his Wellington had the interest of Spain at heart, because bosom, but recollecting hirneghejumped out ef bed, and begged they . he'd shown him that that INoble Dukes had acted with of her to leave the room. 'Witness urged hi m t o l ea ve the pa- the strictest good faith, sincerity, and honour in • the execu rish immediately. He afterwards called at witness's house, tion of that treaty,- whatever might have been his opinion on where he was received coolly, and s t a y e d on ly a f ew minutes- the policy of originally framing it. That testimony he felt Upon leaving, witness accompanied him to the door, when lie bound to hear, not only because be had been appealed to by stated that he felt hurt at being rece i ve d co ldl y by Mrs. the Noble Lard, but because he conceived it to be his duty so Williams. Witness said he could n o t b e sur p r i se d at that, to do from the situation which be had the honour to hold._ for Mrs. Williams had only that day heard o f the reports ( Hear, hear.) Knowing, then, from these records what were in circulation. ; .He asked witness what he would advise him the opinions of the late Government on the present question, to do, when witness said he could give hi m no o th e r advice it was not without some surprise that he had heard opinions of than to leave the parish, to which he , made no reply. so different a nature implied, if not expressed, by the Noble "Cross-examined by Sir F. POLLOCK--7Witness called upon Mr. Lord who had then belonged to that Government. ' For an geele, in consequence of the ill feelings that s eem edto exist be- though the . Noble Lord had expressed ea tender anxiety lest tween him and Mr. Birch. Witn e ss did no t k now the cause of the number of troops should • be' insufficient, lest the ir pay the difference,. but he advised him, if he could not agree with should not be adequate, and lest officers should be discouraged Mr. Birch, to leave.the parish. At another time, whims witness from entering into the service of the Queen of Spain by ap_ erged Mr. Neeie to leave th n p ar i s h,,h te sa id h e cou ld no t d o prehensions that they would -not , be included with in the limas so without having the whole matter enquired into, or it would of the convention, and although he seemed to tremble with be a confession of guilt on his part. Witness h a d no commis- a l arm lest.hii• Hort. and Gallant Frien-tr(tOl. Evans) should sion from Mr. Bit cli to endeavour to persuade hi m to leave the no t p ossess rank through to give-bin the authority necessary parish. Believed• Mr. Neele m a d e it apoint o f h onour to s t a y i n to enable him to carry the undertaking in which he was about the parish. . to embark to a successful issue,-and although any one who had George Holland, examined by Mr. B eowe —w as a but c h er , heard the expressions of the Noble Lord might suppose him to residing at Lower-road, Islington. In A ugus t l as t assisted in be really noxious fOr the success •ef the cause of the Queen of getting a female out of the New River. His f a ther was with Spain, yet the impression on his (Lora P.'s) mind was this, that him. Took her to Mr. Smith's, the nurseryman. if the results should be adverse to her cause, the Noble Lord George . Smith, a nurseryman,,, . saw . Mrs. Birch a f ter would not be found amongst the greatest mourners on that she was taken out . of the water, inquired who she occasion.__( Laughter and cheers.) 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The question, that the petition be printed with the Votes, was then agreed to. On the question being put, that Mr. Pilgrim be brought to the bar of the House to-moi.row, _ _ Lord JOHN RUSSELL was understood to object to the p,:titioner being brought up to-morrow, as there so much pub lic business. Mr. HAWES thought that if the Noble Lord had been in the House, and had heard the circumstance of there being an action against the petitioner, he would not object to the motion. Mr. WILES reminded the House that even supposing Mr. Pilgrim was detained till Monday, he would still have five vr.:,, , ks to prepare his defence against this action. AQLIONBY—Wien other persons were in prison, they were Ha u.,uatly kt out so easily. The simple grout stated by the Hon. Member 'did not, in his opinion, weigh much. Mr. HUME recommended the Hon. Member to postpone h.s motion till Tuesday. Mr. STUART presented u similar petition from Mr. Dacent professing his readiness to appear at the Bar of t. ,e House to answer any questions, and praying for his discharge. The Hon. Member thought the best course to adopt would be that. which was taken in the Cainelford case in 1819, in which a chemist, who had been summoned to attend the.., bar of the House, had absconded. In that case, upon the parties giving an under taking to appear when called on to be examined, the House discharged him. Sir GEORGE CLERK was inclined to concur ih the course proposed by the Honourable Member for Lan caster.—( Hear, hear.) The question was, whether these rallies had not already suffered sufficient imprisonment for the offence of which they had been guilty. Generally in these sort of cases the course had been that the person offending should be called to the bar next day, reprimanded and discharged Mr. KEARSLEY then moved as an amendment, that all the persons now confined in Newgate, in consequence of the Report of the Ipswich Committee, should be brought to-wor row to the bar of the House, reprimanded, and discharged. The SPEAKER put the question, when-- An Hon. AIEMBIR gave notice that to-morrow he should present a petition from Messrs. Sewell and Blake, denying all the statements that had been made with respect to them. Mr. WYNNE suggested that the motion and amendment should be withdrawn, in order to afford an opportunity of pre senting any other petitions on the subject. Mr. STEWART thought that the petitioners had already suffered sufficient imprisonment to assert the dignity of the House. He should therefore make the same motion on behalf of Mr. Decant as the Hon. Member for Lambeth , had done with respect to Pilgrim. .(LEFT SITTING.) COMMON PLEAS.-THIS DAY. Noble Duke had consultid7,7a of the Government preceding him—he must beg to sa) I was not aware that there were in the archives of his office an) . records of any opinions of the Duke of Wellington on the particular question wjiich the Noble Lord had' bioug,ht before the House. . Lord MAHON.—As to the intervention of foreigners -in, the internal affairs of Spain. Viscount PAL MERST ON.—The Noble Lord' made use of a very convenient expression, and included under one deno mination things totally different • indeed the fallacy pervading the Noble Lord's speech was this, that he confounded the measure now under consideration---nainely, the. permission accorded to Engtijli sui , jects to enter into the service of the. Queen of Spain a measure perfectly distinct in its na ture, the sending out into Spain of armies under 6 enerals obey ing foreign sovereigns and receiving_ foreign pay,_.and there fore not under the orders and disposition of the Goveliament of Spain. When the Noble Lord quoted opinions of his (Lord Palmerston's) expressed -at the time when France was sending an army of nearly two hundred thousand men to dispose of and remodel the internal Government of Spain, and seemed to found upon them a charge of in consistency, he should bear in mind that those opinions were not applicable to the present case, from which the case of that former period was totally ,and essentially distinct. Looking to the question of policy, what remote resemblance .;could there be between the two eases ? At that time there was an army of nearly 200,000 Frenchmen marching into Spain to decide what should be the constitution of that country ; and now about 10,000 or 12,000 persons were in arms with a view of opposing its established Gevernnieut. , And here be woultl, in answer to the question of the Noble Lord as to the side on which were the majority of ihe Spanish nation, deelare that he had no hesitation in stating it to be with the Queen— ( Hear, hear)—and the proof of that fact was to be found in the circumstance that for nearly a year and a halt the resistance to her authority had been confined to particular provinces, and that. no disturbances had broken out in any other parts of the kingdom. It should be recollected, also, that the inhabitants of these provinces formed a people different in race, habits, and language from the people of the rest of Spain ; and there could, consequently, be no justice in inferring from the resist ance of the inhabitants of Biscay, that the inhabitants of Spain, generally, partook of the same feelings as influenced them. The Noble Lord quoted also my opinion in the case of 1823, that it would be inexpedient, if we sent troops, not to send a large army. But in that war was it merely 180,000 or 200,000 Frenchmen that we should have had to encounter Did not the Noble Lord recollect that the French army on that occasion was merely the advanced guard of Europe— that the other European powers supported France on that oc casion ; and that the contest into which we should have been I.xl would have b:.en a conquest, not with France alone, but with the other powers of Europe ? The objection which he had taken, too, was to the sending of a British army into Spain which should act under the orders of the King of England, and not be subject to the orders of the King of Spain. No such course had been pursued on the present occasion ; no English army had been sent as an English army • permission had been simply given to British subjects to enrol themselves in the service of the Queen of Spain, and the dignity of the Crown of Spain was in nowise wounded by a measure such as that, because the levies so enrolled under that permission were for the time being the troops of the power whose pay they re ceived, and whose colours they wore. A force such as they constituted, and a foreign army were so palpably distinct, that he wondered how any man could confound them.—( Hear.) The Noble Lord had said that there was no precedent for the course pursued. He maintained that the case was not that of precedent, but a case of act right or wrong. A question might have arisen as to whether such a mode of proceeding was expedient or wise ; but no question could have arisen as to whether the adoption of it implied the entering into a new course of policy, and the departure from the spirit of engagements contracted twelve months since, and which had been before Parliament since that period, and had not called down the disapprobation of Parliament. It was an English interest that the cause of the Queen of Spain should be successful ; it was of great interest to this country that that alliance which had been fortunately cemented between the four Powers of the. West, England, France, Constitutional Spain, and Constitutional Portugal—it was, he repeated, of great interest and importance in the most enlarged views of national policy that that alliance should continue ; and it could only continue by the success of the Queen of Spain. They knew that Europe had been, since the French revolution of July, divided, he would not say into hostile, but into different parties, of which the members of each have acted together ac cording to their respective principles, and if they have not met in arms, have not done so because of the anxiety which all the Governments of Europe have felt and professed to maintain peace, and avoid everything likely to involve Europe in war. The maintenance of peace not only in the Peninsula, but also in Europe, was one great object which the Quadruple Alli ance was intended to effect; and, in his opinion, there was no better guarantee for the continuance of the peace of Europe than that Alliance—an Alliance founded not on any selfish views of interest, not for any purpose of national aggrandize ment, not from the remotest design of aggression against others, but solely for the purpose of preserving the peace of Europe, and maintaining the independence of the States who were parties to it. With regard to the convention, it was clear that it did include the troops who were going from this country; on that point there could not be a question. With regard to their pay—the Noble Lord must be fully aware that the British Government had nothing to do with that point. When the Noble Lord was pleased to taunt those men who should enrol themselves in the service of the Queen of Spain as mercenaries—ready to call themselves Englishmen to-day and Spaniards to-morrow--( Heal-)—as men who disgraced their country, and were about, to sell for lucre their own blood and the blood of their countrymen—( Loud cheers from the Ministerial side)—he (Lord Palmerston) could not out express a deep regret that the Noble Lord, whom he knew to possess the feelings of an Englishman, and who had devoted his kisnre and the faculties of his mind to subjects connected it had been ilia - for hi ery tees in .pail,---"( Ileac, hear)—and if he had rightly acquirsei it, hoe in considerate, how unworthy were the iialtry imputations thrown out by the Noble Lord? There was also Lord Beresford, who was holding the rank and receising the pay of a field marshal in the service of Portugal, and who had also served as a -mtushal of the Portuguese arnij under sanction : he .(Colonel Evans) was about also to- serve under sanction ,---and Under one than Which he did not conceive he could have a sitronger.—( Hear; hear, and cheers.) The Noble Lord said that he (Colonel Evan) and thoSe who would act with him, were equally ready to serve either one 'Government or another—one set of principlo 'or - anoiher set; •but was ho going to serve irt support ,of principles which he had not hitherto supported? And if the Noble. Lord would point out any officer or soldier in the force to be placed undCr his com mand, who did not more or less participate in the feeling ' which he himself entertained, .and •which itiffueaced him, he would engage that that individual should not make part of the expedition. The Noble Lord had also alluded to the lowness -of his rank, and seemed to question, on thii ground. the pro priety of his appointment. All he could say on this point was, that he was perfectly ready to admit the moral weight which the rank of the officer who might be appointed to it, added to the command which he had the honour to receive ; but ho need hardly inform the House, that he had not sought the ap pointment"; that it had been offered to him in a very flattering manner; and that as he had willingly and cheerfully accepted it, so he was ready to resign it to anygeneral or field-mar s h a l who was prepared to act on the principles of the Noble Lord, which he took for granted. Were the same as those which influenced the Duke of Wellington : namelY, to take such steps as were necessary for putting down Don Carloe.---( Cheers.) As to his experience he must be allowed to consider the opinion of the Noble Lord on that head as one to which he was not certainly prepared implicitly to submit ; and as. to his devo tion to his own country he might, without meaning to attach any undue importance to the services which he had rendered, declare that he had given at all-events as streng proof of his attachment to it as any which the Noble. Lord could adduce. (Continued cheers.) With respect to the charge of being mercenary he should take no further notice of it than to say that it might perhaps be urged on something like ostensible grounds, if the Noble Lord who made it had not required that he should be paid the amount of his 'quarter's salary for the time during which he remained in office.—( Hear.) He was satisfied that the House would expect no further explanation from him ; and, he -should, therefore, conclude by reiterating what be had preViously said : that the whole of the Noble Lord's speech was a tissue of inconsistencies and evasions from beginning to end, and of denials in one or two points of what he had previously stated.—( Cheers.) Mr. POULTER expressed his entire approval of the course adopted by his Majesty's Government in acting in such a way on the principles involved in the Quadruple Treaty as must prove successful in restoring peace and good government to Spain.—( Hear.) Sir R. PEEL was bound, in the first place, to thank the Noble Lord for the frank and cordial testimony which be had borne to the manner in which the late Government had gene rally carried into effect the obligations contracted under the Quadruple Treaty by a former Government.-4 Hear, hear.) That testimony must be considered the more just and deserved because it proceeded from the Noble Lord who had access to all the documents, official and 'secret, as well as the more se cret correspondence whichhad - passed through the hands of his Noble Friend (the Duke of Wellington); and with all the knowledge derived from such sources the Noble Lord bad not hesitated to declare, that if even the parties to it had been called on to execute that treaty, they could not have done so in a more honourable and complete manner than that in which the inentions' of the former Government were car ried into operation by his Noble Friend.—( Hear.) The Honourable Member for Westminster seemed to think that the only act done by the British Government in execution of that treaty was the exportation of 40,000 stand of arms. He ap prehended, that whatever the spirit and intention of the treaty was, all that the British Government was called upon to do was literally and honourably to fulfil the special engagements into which they had entered. The obligations of the British Government under that treaty, were, as he understood them, to afford arms to Spain, to allow the opportunity of getting Spanish vessels repaired in our harbours, and also to give Spain, if circumstances required it., the aid of a naval force. He was sure the Noble Lord opposite would bear out the truth of the observation, when he stated, that though the obligation of supplying a naval force to Spain was in case of necessity im posed on England, yet the law of nations did throw great obstacles in the way of the fulfilment of that special oblige time —( Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) Without a de claration of war, it was with the greatest difficulty that the special obligation of giving naval aid could be fulfilled with out placing the force of such a compact, the performance of which was guaranteed on the existence of certain circum stances, against the general binding nature of international law. Let them take, for instance, a neutral nation requiring arms. Whatever the special obligation imposed on this. country might be, it did not warrant us in checking the enter prise of our own countrymen, or preventing that neutral state from receiving a supply of arms. But we had no right,-with out a positive declaration of war, to stop the ships of a neutral country on the high seas. He apprehended that the Queen of Spain had the same claim on the cordial assistance of this country as any other ally. She had been recognized, no matter, by, what Government—for he considered nothing of such vital importance to the character and interests of this country, as that the engagements entered into by one Adminis tration should not be disturbed by another of opposite political principles ; and upon that principle he should have considered it unjustifiable on the part of the Administration to which he belonged to attempt to evade the obligations of the Quadruple Treaty (however they may have dissented from the policy by which it had been originally dictated), or to refuse to carry it into operation in a -fair, honourable, and equitable manner.— ( Hear, hear.) But still, consistently with the admission that the Queen of Spain was equally entitled as any other friendly power to the cordial assistance and good wishes of this coun . . with the history of the country in question, should have felt so coldly on the matter, that he should take so false and narrow a view of it, as to throw out on brave and honourable men im iry, he might call in question the policy of a particular act, which for the first time in the recent history of this country admitted of direct military intervention as to the domestic putations so entirely undeserved. Could the Noble Lord not conceive that any motive could lead Englishmen to fight under the banners of a constitutional Sovereign except the mere lucre of pay ?—( Loud cheers.) Lord M AHON had expressly stated that the motives of these men might be honourable, but not sufficient. affairs of another nation.—(Loud cheers.) The general declaration of the political interest of this country being served by the maintenance of the Quadruple Alliance, or the existence of a particular form of Government in Spain ; those who acted upon such doctrines after the manner of the Noble Lord, warranted the interference by military _ . _ _ Viscount PALMERSTON had certainly understood the force of all the other countries which were parties to that Noble Lord as dwelling much on personal interest, and talk- treaty, on the assumption of having some vague and hide ing of condottieri, and declaring that men were not justified in finite special interest to promote by the adoption of such a the eyes of God in shedding the blood of others except in de- course.---( Cheers.) It might be said, however, that he was fence of their country; but of course, if the Noble Lord had not not warranted in applying the terms "direct military inter expressed such feelings, the observation made by himself in ference," to the expedition which had been saentioned by the reference to them at once fell to the ground. He had only to Government. How did it, in principle, differ from such an in state further, that he entirely differed from the Noble Lord terference ? It was imposside to deny that an act, which the upon the particular question under discussion ; he thought that . - British Government permitted, authorizing British soldiers the Government of this country was perfectly justified, not only and subjects to enlist in the service of a foreign Power, and at -I.y law, as the Noble Lord admitted, but by policy, by pru- lowing them to be organized in this country, was not a recog dunce, and a due regard to its interests, in taking the step ninon of the doctrine of the propriety of assisting by military which it had taken—a step widely different from the measure force a foreign Government in an insurrection of its own sub with which the Noble Lord had confounded it, the sending of jects?—(Clieers.)' The Noble Lord had stated that the insur e foreign army into Spain. For his part he must say he ad- rection in Spain was confined to the Biscayan provinces. The mired these brave men, who were embarking in the cause of Noble Lord had not, he thought, escaped from the dilemma in the Queen of Spain, and he cordially wished them that success which his Noble Friend had shown him to be situated, namely which lie confidently believed would attend their efforts.— —that if the Queen's Government were established in the ge (l~kar, hear.) : neral affections of the people—if those who, it was said, ins- Colonel EVANS referred to the observations made by the sessed intelligenCe, opulence, and knowledge of political rights, Noble Lord in reference to himself, and those who were about and who were iu favour of her ,Government, preponderated ire,- to embark in the expedition which was to be placed under his mensely . over those engaged in the insurrection, why did they command ; .he said that- the Noble Lord had, among other not put it down without calling for the assistance of any foreign things, sp o k en o f them as men who were ready to call them- power? But . if, on the other hand, it happ ene d th at t h e ques selves Englishmen one day, and Portuguese or Spaniards the tion was a disputed one—that the opinions of the people were next. He then proceeded to Put a question to the Noble nearly equally divided—and if the difficulty of suppressing the Lord, asking, we believe, whether he had meant to imply any- insurrection arose from the fact, that the Pretender to- the thing disrespectful in the observations he had made, and added throne had support nearly as powerful as its possessore_we that he should wait for the Noble Lerd's answer. . f had, in that case, embarked in a contest, the issue of which Lord MA HON could have no hesitation in saying that he i could not now be foreseen, and the settlement of which by our had no intention of making any remark disrespectful to the arms, must lead to au eternal source of turmoil and warfare, if Gallant Colonel. - the precedent of such intervention were once established.— Colonel EVANS a--rid that the answer was completely (Loud cheers.) The Noble Lord, however, had stated that evasive. —( Loud cheers.) The Noble Lord had said that he the spirit of the treaty had justified that act. The spirit of meant no disrespect to him personally; was it to the men or the treaty never contemplated military intervention by my of to the officers that he meant to apply it? The Noble Lord the parties to it ; and the justice of the proposed interference was involved in a series of contradictions and evasions through- en the part of this country, could only be defended on the out his speech, both reference to persons and things.--(Cries ground that the t r eaty warran t ed the embarkation of a British of " No, no," from the Opposition ben c hes.) The Noble army to assist the Queen of Spain.--( Hear, hear.) So muc h Lord might disclaim any intention of conveying disrespect to - for the foreign policy of the act. He should next say a word or two with reference to its bearing on the domestic concerns himself personally ; but if h e mean t t o a pply di sres p ect t o or' who would serve with him, he (Colonel Evans) must of this country, He was desirous of knowing from the Noble say that he should, on their part, treat any such intimation of Lord (J. Russell) whether, by the authority of the Crown, or disrespect towards them with all the disgust and contempt by agreement with the parties, the number of men intended to which he should conceive it to merit if 'applied to himself.--. be. raised and disciplined in this country was limited, or left, (Loud cries of "Chair," from the 'Opposition side.) according to the Order in Council, undefined ?—( Hear, heat.) The SPEAKER ihen rose and said a few words, which The danger of the principle acknowledged was, that a certain were utterly inaudiblee after which ' number of individuals was not prescribed;. but that it Was left Colonel EVANS had merely said, that "if" the Noble Lord open to those who had the management of the expedition, to had made such an i n ti mat i on , h e s h ou ld en t er t a i n th ose feelings; keep at home, cr send out, what must be considered battalions he did n o t a t th a t moment know whether the Noble Lord ha] cf British troops, to the service of the; Queen of Spain.' lie was particularly anxious to kn ow th e system- of discipline or had not, f or i n some p ar t s o f Inn' speech belied 'said things which he h a d counter-said in others, and therefore he (Col. under which it %ITS intended that -the troops should be Evans) did conceive that he 'might be allowed to put the mnintained.—(llear, hear.) It was possible that those hypothetical case, and might say that if •the Noble Lord composing a force which was described as the British meant to throw out expressions of disrespect ; he (Col. Evans) auxiliary force, might consider themselves . subjected to the would return them - to him with Perfect contempt and disgust. military cone of the service in which they had enlisted.. ' But Whether the case was to apply to the Noble Lord or not, he he was desirous of being informed whether there was Any re could not tell, because he did not know whether the Noble gulation empowering the application of the military code of the Lord meant or not to apply the exnressions. The Noble Lard country to the British subjects who embarked in the defence had spek ei i o f C on d o ttieri s sur e ly that name could not apply to of the. Queen of Spain ?—(Cheers.) N o w h e was o f op i n i on, British soldiers under any circumstances I The term condot- tire if. these parties entered into a vo lu n t a r y engagement to tieri h a d been applied to a class of :men who hired themselves serve the Queen of Spain, they could not tie punished for any nut, but did not fight inueli ; and the Nuble Lord could not breach of the discipline observed he the forces of this country. then, he should think, apply it to any of the persons :bete to _( Hear, Lear.) He mu c h do u b ted the policy, under any ter engage in the undertaki ng i n • queen-on. The ' Noble Lord cumstatices, of encouragi ng the embarkation of battali ons t o a had spoken also of= mercenaries ; Aid eas • the meaning of foreign country,-from which they niust shortly return en their brat term? It 'Tolled to those who Wake, itefed, cr . fought native homes With habits acquired in tv'foreige country; syhere for pay. The Noble Lord had said, hoWener, that he did not they caunot be under the same control as military men'who apply that term to him (Col. Evans); but he was not willing looked to .this country for reward at the termination of their to ac ce pt of a compliment at the expense of those engaged with iabours.—( Hear, beer.) And looking te thew:: considerations, him in the same undertaking. The Noble Lord said that they he must .be permitted to say that, both with, reference to the were mercenaries, but that he (Colonel Evans) was not. If e - foreign policy, and as it bore on our ee , n domestic interests, did not see how that could possibly be 'the case; nor did he he entertained serious doubts as to the present expediency and justice of th e i n t en e.ed undertaking ; end h e regar d e d t h e see how he hi m s e lf : cou ld b e entitled to the appellation pre causebe- he served under another 'COvernment with the permis- cedent t - Olie'n v;otild be established by it; and its capability of sion of hi s own ._( He ar , hear. ) If he aecepted A cemmission being hereeiter perverted. with the most serious rearm.—( L ou d in the ranish serv•eq, "what did lie•eirere than :the-Nitr e tEtrr \-- :" ", Inca iotol In," Ott h os i gn , p , dicyaw., ea c i AinthAtvd, o h, L ,i th i }fi n -e said, the Right Hon Baronet who ser a ro v e i t. 144fur; , othanerthitobiliw o ,1 1144004:71 0 0 4,eht Fe - e el IliFfPou.se hact fully admitted th; force of the !twint til itti c liekn t litticeVeHtnhet e etea el a t'ili4fi iteAltiepr nyeeala •-• if l Acqnstfre end at the same time he concurred in tae ctit ) *Mkt Jr - 1 3 / 4 % 1* (1 "W tiL9tgi b irittl_, L iva dud dl , ,i 1 i, SYlconlle Lord (Mahon) as a fit one. Now he .vtt tL.N iv M j i tt o rl_ dzi r riteaz4 wytt, .4,v. cv r , ty . rlt) . would beg to _call . the attentio . n, of the 1 -11 ' IW'T 7- thlfhilik th tl., apt h-; 7 ' h f trace ( Velm t Vitct non of the several parties at the signi ng of VrtilloV,,,, ~.1, , . , a iltd A At y,s,.rriFrt to con- !Lie gun rea , a . , eaty. Just before that treaty *as entered one. concurred in the e!itpikt a 7t F ;sr • ra t atftnetn4 ev o t• ate . iel i :eaidirt . aeek, l a t a a-g r a 4 0 Carlos and Don . Mieeiel were boli, at the head of %r w hitkl , tiiintli t s tj bearott 06 : ittO pm p ta ttfil e ti'l t . b falilliPAßlVelitertugal. D . on Caalos had ooi:n the next heir ertike of cLord Palmerston) ,ord ) (Mahon) as a fiAtrtyn.7.oN:ollo;ttihbleb:ne' wou f d beg' to call the attention on o the several parties at the signing of but his canal te the succession had He trusted th del. before that t Ihe meant to n° House to the situati Duk e ; • eon- the quadripartite treaty. .fuss indeed he into Don Carlos and Don Mir before • be at the head of Don Carlos had i m 's, n Pr_perty more troops • ~ , But to the Settn',, throne,Ba • was entered 1 Suna. et ps invacting . ortu I eel vier° both I e but • • • been the next heir ' . .t his want to the . succession, had EMI MI 't •