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LAW INTELLIGENCE. V I OE•CHAIVCELLOR'S COURT, July 29. (Before the VICE-CHANCPT.LOR OF ENGLAND.) BENTLEY V. VICKERS. Mr. COOPER, in opening this case, said—This is a cause in which Richard Bentley, the publisher, is plain tiff, and George Vickers, defendant; and I am humbly , instructed to move your Honour for an injunction to re strain the defendant from publishing and selling the numbers of the London Journal, and Weekly Record of Literature, Science, and Art, for the weeks ending July 15th, July 22d, and August sth, 1848. Mr. Bentley's affidavit states, that towards the beginning of the present year, Sir Eglward Bulwer Lytton composed a work called, " Harold, the last of the Saxon Kings," and that Mr. Bentley had paid for the copyright a very large sum of money. That in the month of June Mr. Bentley pub lished the work. It also state sthat the defendant is the publisher of the London Journal. It appears that in those numbers of the London Journal are contained not only the usual notice which every publisher would be glad to sec of his works, but contains all the principal passages in the original work. I have looked over the first volume, which contains three hundred pages, of which one hundred pages, containing the most beau tiful passages and scenes are contained in the Journal, omitting only those parts which are frequently skipped by novel readers. I, therefore, pray the injunction. The VICE-CHANCELLOR—The injunction is of COWS() granted. ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE. NORFOLK ClRCUlT.—Norwich, July 28. NISI PRIUS COURT.—(Before Mr. Baron PARKE. QUARTER V. BACON. Mr. Sergeant Byles, Mr. Palmer, and Mr. Wells, were counsel for the prosecution. Mr. O'Malley and Mr. Worlledge appeared for the defendant. This was an action by a gentleman who practises as an attorney at Aylsham, in this county, against the pro prietor of the Norwich Mercury, for the publication of three several libels in that newspaper. The libels pur ported to be comments on the conduct of the plaintiff in a cause in the County Court of Norfolk, which was ter minated by an arrangement between the parties. The first libel o o harged the plaintiff with having sent to the Norwich Mercury " a garbled report" of the case in the County Court; the second libel imputed to him the having sent the garbled report from dishonourable and personal motives; and the third, in addition to other severe remarks, accused the plaintiff of having behaved in a manner for which he ought to be struck off the roll of attorney. The libels were justified by the defendant's plea. The plaintiff, however, went into all the facts of the manner in which he conducted the case in the County Court for the purpose of disproving the allega tions in the pleas of justification; and, before the case had been brought to a close, Mr. Baron PARKE recommended the defendant to submit to a verdict for 405., and make an ample apology, if the plaintiff would accept these terms. Ultimately this suggestion was deferred to, and a ver dict was taken for the plaintiff accordingly, with damages —Forty shillings. CROWN COURT.—(Before Mr. Justice MAta.E.) Jones was indicted for having cut and wounded Sarah, his wife, with intent to murder her, or to do her some grievous bodily harm. Mr. Naylor conducted the prosecution. The prisoner was not defended by counsel. He was found guilty of the latter count in the indictment, and sentenced to be transpprted for fifteen years. July 29. The cases in the Civil Court were of no public inte rest. Those in the Crown Court were for the most part utterly unfit for publication. It is, however, proper to mention, that the stupidity of the witnesses and the brutal character of the crimes deposed to by them were such as to elicit from Mr. Justice Maule the remark that the ignorance and bad morals of the lower orders in this county was astonishing. HOME ClRCUlT.—Maidstone, July 29. The business of these assizes has been singularly un interesting, and although the number of cases, both in the Crown Court and at nisi prius, was larger than usual, very few of them presented any feature of inte rest to the public. Mr. Sergeant Dowling assisted Mr. Justice Coltman on Friday in trying prisoners, and this will tend materiaily to shorten the business of the assize. CIVIL SlDE.—(Before the LORD CHIEF BARON and a Special Jury.) MOORE, THE ELDER, AND MOORE, THE YOUNGER, V. BECKETT AND OTHERS. These were two actions brought to recover compensa tion for an injury sustained in consequence of the alleged conduct of the servants of the defendants, who are pro prietors of the Satellite, Gravesend steam-boat ; but as the same point was involved in both, it was arranged that they should be disposed of by one jury. It appeared that, on the 13th July, last year, the younger plaintiff, a lad about sixteen, went on board the Satellite to proceed to Gravesend. The vessel was very much crowded, and it seemed that he seated himself upon the beam of the bowsprit, a place not usually ap propriated to passengers, with his back turned towards the head of the vessel. While the Satellite was round ing a point just about Greenhithe, . called Broadness Point, she came into collision with the Eclipse Margate steamer, which was coming up to London, and the con sequence was that the bowsprit of the Satellite was forced in, and the boy had his leg broken. The limb was eventually amputated. The evidence for the defence was, that the crew of the Eclipse were to. blame in not having navigated their vessel according to the rules of the river, and were consequently liable for the injury sustained. The evidence adduced on both sides was of a conflicting character. The jury returned a verdict giving 2001. damages to the son, for the injury he had sustained, and 90/. to the father, for the expense he had been put to in conse que::ce of the accident. MIDLAND CIRCUIT, Derby.—July 29. CIVIL SlDE.—(Before Lord Chief Justice DENMAN and a Speck! Jury.) ARNCELEY V. THE LONDON AYD NORTH-WESTERN RAIL- WAY COMPANY. This was an action on promises. Mr. Whitehurst, Q.C., Mr. Humfrey, Q.C., and Mr. Mellor, appeared as counsel br the plaintiff ; Mr. Ma caulay and Mr. Denison condteted the case on behalf of the company. Tho plaintiff was the owner of the Hunston Colliery, which had previously belonged to Mr. Newbold, who had supplied the company with coke of a s u p er i or q u a lity, which was necessary for railwty use, as the presence of sulphur was productive of great injury to the machi nery. The company had, originally, only a small sup ply from the colliery, but h a d gra d ua lly i ncrease d the quantity they ordered, tt last becoming desirous of seeuring a supply by entering into a contract for a year ; and eventually, in December, 1846, they entered into a contract ftr a year with the plaintiff for the supply of 150 tons a week, at 21s. per ton, for the . year 1847, to be transported to R ug by a t th e plain tiff's expense, the company su pplyi ng t h e waggons . I t was stipulated that if the company should not take the 150 tons they were to p a y by wa y o f f or f e it, a t an d after the rate of 2s. 6d. for every one of such number of 150 tons a week as they should not take, and there was a corresponding provision for forfeiture by the plaintiff for every ICH that should be deficient In the supply, via., 2s. 6d. This agreement was entered into on the last day of December, 1846, and was for the year 1847. It appeared that complaints had been made of the coke being small; but on the plaintiff's part it was alleged that this arose from the waggons not being supplied by the company, and its being in consequence rendered necessary that there should be additional trans.ship ments of the coke, which was liable to crack when shifted in a damp state. On this subject the plaintiff, in 1847, wrote to the company, remonstrating respecting the in sufficiency of the supply of waggons, on the ground of the waste, loss, &c., caused by tho trans-shipment so ren dered necessary by such deficiency. This letter was im portant, as calling attention to the want of waggons very soon after the contract was made. To it there was an answer from Mr. Bury the next day. The plaintiff never would shoot it on the ground if he could help it, but had frequently waited with bis carts for half a day together for waggons. The shooting broke it, and in the absence of waggons it had to be shot twice, once on the ground, and then again into the waggons; and the shooting on to the ground injured it mush more than would the shooting it into the waggons direct from the plaintiffs carts. On the 29th of January the plaintiff wrote again to Mr. Bury respecting the deficiency of waggons and the consequent detention of the coke, reiterating his former remonstrances, and at the same time stating that if by the default of the company he should be compelled to supply a less quantity than contracted for, he should, in accordance with the agreement, charge in respect of the quantity deficient. Various witnesses were then called for the plaintiff. Mr. MACAULAY, for the defendants, contended that there had been in June, 1847, a rescission of the ori ginal contract entered into in Dec., 1846, and declared upon in the first count of the declaration. There was an annihilation of the old contract by an agreement, , but not a creation of a new one, so as to support the second count of the declaration, becau se it was ,not in writing as required by the Statute of Frauds. Jiis LORDSHIP having summed up, The jury, after some little deliberation, returned a verdict for the plaintiff—damages, 1,2461., giving 2s. 6d. per ton from the date of the termination of the contract in May, to the end of the year, and 500/. for unliqui dated damages, irrespective of and beyond the sum of 9 51. paid into court. • This terminated the business of the assizes for this county, and the Court rose at half-past nine, Mr. Jus tice Patteson having disposed of the Crown cases at about seven. There Was nothing in the Crown Court calling for mention in the present crowded state of the journals. NORTRERN CIRCUIT.—York, July 29. CROWN COURT.—(Beforo Mr. Justice ERLE.) SENTENCES ON TILE CHARTIST RIOTERS. The prisorwri first placed at the bar to receive sen tence were John Johnson, Francis Vicory, Henry Whiecombo, William Sa , zar, William Smith, James D ow ns, Isaiah Heaton, William Connor, and William Winterburn, who were charged with rioting at Horton and Bradford; Sagar and Johnson to be imprisoned for two years with hard labour, and the remainder for eighteen months. Ambrose Tomlinson, for sedition at North Bierley, to be imprisoned for e i g h t een months, but without h ar d labour. Andrew Beanleand, for a riot at Bradford, to be im prisoned for eighteen months, with hard labour. James Ramsden, for dri llin g at Drighlington, to be im prisoned for two years, with hard labour. Benjamin Plant, Daniel Holroyd, and Thomas Fell, for drilling at Bradford, Horton, and Manningham, t o he imprisoned for 18 months with hard labour. William Gil!, John Cockerham, Henry Butterfield, Ambrose Power, and Roger Bradley, for drilling at Bradford, Clayton, and Horton, to be imprisoned for 12 months, with hard labour. . . Joseph Leeming, for drilling at Skircoat, to be im prisoned for 12 months, with bard labour. John Kilvington, Isaac Ickeringill, James Crabtree, and James Bland, for a riot, &c., were next sentenced: Ickeringill to be imprisoned for six months, with hard labour ; Crabtree for two months, but without bard labour ; Kilvington, one month, and without hard labour ; and Bland, who had been convicted of neglect of duty as a special constable, fined 101., and to be im prisoned till that fine be paid. COURT OF COMMON COUNCIL. On Thursday a Court Was held for the dispatch of public business. THE SMOKE NUISANCE. In answer to a question from Mr EDKINS, The REMEMBRANCER said that Mr. John Masterman had taken charge of the Bill in Parliament for the Abo lition of Smoke, and would, upon the printing of the Bill, confer with Lord Redesdale, who had brought it into the House of Lords, upon the question of facilitating its progress in the House of Commons.—(Hear.) Mr. WIRE suggested the propriety of applying to Mr. Masterman, to propose a clause for the abolition of smoke on board the steamers. The absence of such a nuisance would be most desirable to all those who in habited the immediate neighbourhood of London bridge, as well as to those who passed over the bridge. THE POOR -LAW. Mr. R. TAYLOR took occasion, upon the mention of the progress of Mr. Buller's projected improvement of the poor-laws, to make a few observations upon what was reported to have been said in the Court of Aldermen relative to the West London Union. He was con cerned to see it stated in the newspapers that Alderman Challis had called the West London Union Work house a penthouse, and described the treatment of the poor there as inhuman. Such a remark was calcu lated to do much mischief, and inflicted great annoy ance upon those who had taken extraordinary pains to carry out the object of the new poor-law in the most efficient manner. He had for some time ceased to be a guardian of the poor, and he knew that while he was in office there was not the slightest ground for any impu tation of the kind. He believed that there was just as much reason for making such an attack upon the union at the present moment ; and he could scarcely think it possible that Alderman Challis, after what had been a short time ago stated as to another unfounded accusation against the same body, would make such a statement. If the report proved to be a correct representation of a correct opinion he should certainly consider it to be his duty to call a meeting upon the subject for the purpose of procuring a remedy. It was most painful to those who resided in the district, and took deep' interest in the condition of the poor, to hear crnstant representations made to the public against the guardians of the poor, as if they had no feelings of humanity at all about them.—(Hear.) Sir PETER LAURIE said he could assure Mr. Taylor, that the magistrates at the Guildhall Police-court, were more troubled and annoyed by cases from the West London Union than from all the metropolitan unions put together.—(No, no.) Ile would persist in saying., that of all the unions with which he had any acquaint ance, the West London was decidedly the worst ma naged.—(Murmurs.) Mr. BUCHMASTER (the chairman of the West London Union) rose to deny, in the most positive terms, that the West London Union deserved to be called a pest-- house, and to bear testimony to the humanity shown, upon all occasions, to the poor applicants for shelter and relief; but The LORD MAYOR put an end to the conversation by delaring, that it would be excessively inconvenient to permit the continuance of such irregularity. Mr. B. TAYLOR observed, that irregularity necessarily arose out of the irregularity which had taken place in the Coact of Aldermen, in which the calumny had originated. He challenged Alderman Challis to prove the attack upon the union to have any foundation in fact. THE COMMERCIAL TRAVELLERS' SCHOOLS. Upon the motion of Deputy LOTT, the report of th© Coal, Corn, and Finance Committee, recommending that the sum of 2501. be granted towards the new building for the Commercial Travellers' Schools, was taken into con sideration. He represented the great advantage derived by the trading community, from the vigorous exertions of the travellers, a body consisting of 30,000 individuals, and argued, that the Corporation of London could not object to the contribution recommended by the Com mittee. _ _ Mr. ANDERTON opposed the motion to agree with the Committee in their report. He was of opinion that if these 30,000 social gentlemen would each of them con tribute the price of one glass of grog per week to the charity, they would not be under the necessity of making such an application. It was absurd to suppose that the Corporation were bound to assist those who made no effort to assist themselves, and who ought to apply for aid to those by whom they were employed. Mr. WIRE advocated the cause of the travellers. They were, he said, exposed to all weathers and all hours in performing their duties, and by aiding such a charity the Corporation would materially aid the commerce of this city. It was erroneous to say that the travellers bad not themselves contributed. They had made great ex ertions to add to the funds, and had succeeded to a con siderable extent.—(Hear.) Mr. R. TAYLOR objected to an essential regulation as to the admission of children. He alluded to the exclu• sive use of the Church of England and the Assembly's Catechisms in the schools. It appeared that no other sects were recognised, and he could not think of encou raging by a vote the illiberal views of the managers. Alderman LAWRENCE said he generally advocated grants for the building of schools, but he was op posed decidedly to the Corporation giving money to build palaces and call them schools.—(The building was, it appeared, to cost 15,0001.) He was also op posed to the _grant upon sectarian grounds urged by Mr. Taylor. He did not doubt the kindly feeling of many of the supporters of the project, but in a case of the kind, various inquiries ought to be made before any de cision in favour of such appropriation of the funds was arrived at. The fact was, the Corporation was looked upon as a good mulch cow, but their money must not be expended in the erection of a building which was to cost 15,0001., for the accommodation of 500 children.—(Hear, hear.) The Court ought not to vote one shilling for such a purpose. Alderman SALONONS wished that all public establish ments should be conducted in such a manner, that all persons should be admissible, but when he looked to the complicated charities, all of which came before that Court, he could not but consider that it would be encouraging a narrow principle to object to the pre sent.—(Hear, hear.) Now he did not consider the building which they were called upon to subscribe to as so much a school as an asylum - a to be pointed at as one of the proud establishments of the country, founded not by the Government, but by the exuberance of pri vate charity.—(Hear, hear.) It appeared to him that the Court, representing as it did the trade of the City of London, should be anxious to emulate in assisting those who are so actively concerned in advancing the interests of the trade. It the corporation indulgently listened to their appeal, they expected to be successful in their ap plication to the great companies, and would soon be en abled to add another to the great establishments which were so much admired by foreigners as the magnificent result of private charity. Deputy HARRISON said he could not go the length to which the mover went in proposing the large grant of 2501., at the same time that he did not like to send back the petitioners empty-handed. As the funds of the Corporation were limited, the Court must limit its acts of benevolence.—(Hear.) There Were in stitutions to which much less had been granted, from which much greater benefits had been expected. If these travellers would get in proportion to the amount which he should move as an amendment, from the other cor porations of the kingdom, their object would be soon fully accomplished. He then moved that the sum of 1001. be granted instead of 2501. Mr. KEMP spoke in favour of the original motion, and contended that the travellers had been indefatigable in their individual efforts to accomplish their great object. Mr. BLARE said, before the Court would be justified in being liberal with its funds, care should be taken that the benefits of the institution should be secured to those for whom they were intended. He did not wish to be parsimonious, but liberality without discretion was not liberality, but prodigality.—(Hear, hear.) He objected to the travellers that they had done so little themselves, especially when a halfpenny or a penny a week would have accomplished so much. He objected to the vote upon the sectarian grounds more especially. He op posed it altogether. Mr. PHILLIPS was in favour of the original motion, and stated that the Commercial Travellers had great fatigues and hardships to endure, without being rewarded by cor responding salaries. After some further discussion the amendment was car ried by a majority of nine, the numbers being 50 for the amendment, and 41 against it. ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS. The report of the general purposes committee, with the draft of the petition to Parliament praying the abolition of the ecclesiastical courts, was brought up, and the con sideration of it was adjourned. SUPPLY OF WATER TO THE METROPOLIS. The report of the committee stated that it was referred to a deputation to confer with the New River Company, and to take such other steps to obtain information and advance the objects in view as they might deem advis • able. The deputation had, after a diligent investigation, stated that they had found the supply of water had lately, and since the reference to the committee was made, been materially augmented at the instigation of the Commissioners of Sewers, especially for sanitary purposes, and for tho use of the poorer classes, and that they was of opinion the most available, if not the only method of securing a❑ additional supply of water should it be deemed requisite, would be by the New River Company being permitted to take more water from the River Lea, as suggested by Mr. Wibro, the engineer. Such a proceeding would of course involve very consi derable expense, and most probably lengthened Parlia mentary interference and arrangement. The report concluded by stating that the committee, agreeing with the deputation, suggested that it did not appear that there would be any advantage from further pressing the question at the present period. The report was agreed to. ORDNANCE SURVEY OF THE CITY. Deputy PEACOCK presented the report of the Com missioners of Sewers upon the proposed ordnance survey of the city, and moved that the same be paid for out of the city's cash, at a cost not exceeding the sum of 4501. Agreed to.—Adjourned. BRISTOL SUGAR MARKET, JULY 28.—The demand has slightly improved, although it. is still very inanimate, and the absence from the market of the refiners, neces sarily has a sensible effect in the quantity disposed of, as the grocers wants in raw sugars are now very soon supplied, since the consumption has become so general of manufactured crushed sugar.—Bristol Mercury. PRICES OF SHARES. IN BANKS, ASSURANCE, AND OTHER CON PANIES' STOCK. From the Official List, PUBLISIIED EVERY TIIESDATT AND FRIDAY EVBNING, LONDON, FRIDAY, JULY 28. JOINT-ST9CZ SANILS. Name of Company. Dividend per Annum. Australasia •• •• .• • • Britsh N orth American Ceylon • • • • .. • • • ..... Zlommercial of Loadoa .... Gloucestershire •• .• • • lonian .............. Londn and Westminstr _ . 51. per cent. 71. per cent. 61. per cent. 51. per cent. 151 per cent. 61. per cent. 61. per cent. Ditto ...... _ London Joint-Stock Provi ncia 1 of Ireland Ditto, New... National of Ireland Nat. Provncial of Eng. Ditto, New South Australia Union of Australia Unioa of London Union of Madrid 61. per cent. 81. per cent. 8/. per cent. 51. per cent. 61. per cent. 5/. per cent. 5/. per cent. 61. per cent. .4.moult of Share. .... 61. per cent BEXDG: A 0. d. 40 0 0 50 0 0 25 0 0 100 0 0 100 0 0 Name of Company. Dividend per Annum. Charing-cross Southwrk, Nw Sub. Av. Ditto Nw of 7% P.C. Waterloo ............ 355. per cent. raid. s. d. Z. F. d. 25 0 0 Price, 632 12 8 50 0 0 100 0 0 Ditto Old Ann. of 81. Ditto Nw ditto of 71. Vauxhall .... ... Av. 11. ss. 4d. 11. 2s. 2d. 11. 17s. 70 10 3 THE SUN, LONDON, MONDAY EVENING, JULY 31, 1848. ELECTION COMMITTEES. (SATURRDAY•) DUBLIN. The scrutiny into the validity of Mr. Reynolds' majo rity was resumed, but the petitioners did not succeed in striking off any additional votes to-day. NORTH CHESHIRE. The evidence in favour of the case for the sitting Member having closed, Mr. MEREWETHER was heard at some length in summing it up, after which the Committee adjourned till Monday, at twelve o'clock. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 29. THE STATE OF IRELAND - ADJOURNED DEBATE. (Continued from our Afternoon E3ition of Saturday.)' Mr. P. SCROPE trusted that the English people and the English Parliament would at length think seriously of the state of Ireland. He believed that the social grievances of Ireland were at the bottom of the dreadful movement that was now taking place there, and that it behoved the Government to make the strictest inquiry into the subject. The prophecies of Dr. Doyle were being fulfilled, and the evils of not following his advice were being made apparent every day. That high-minded individual he believed died of a broken heart, because his warning had not been attended to.— (Hear, hear.) The land question, he believed, operated as the most cruel grievance upon the people of Ireland, and unless the Legislature set to work thoroughly to eradicate that grievance, they would never be able to put down the incipientinsurrection that was threatened in Ire land. The cry in Ireland was " Ireland for the Irish," the meaning of which was that Ireland should exist for the Irish, and that the produce of the land should be applied for the benefit of the Irish people. No one could doubt the evils of the law as it at present existed in Ireland, where the clearance of estates was so much in the power of the landlords. lie believed that if some thing was done upon this subject the extent of disaffec tion would be greatly diminished. The Irish people called upon Parliament to interfere with respect to the present clearance system by the introduction of a Landlord and Tenant Bill, or by some other measure which was calculated to prevent the consequences to which it gave rise. He contended that tenants were entitled to the same protection of the law—to demand compensation for the capital they had invested in their tenant-right —as landlords were to claim the money they had sunk in purchasing the fee simple of their property. And if they introduced that principle into a Landlord and Tenant Bill, and gave compensation for the money he had laid out on the land, the evils attending the pre sent system would be got rid of. He did not propose to bring forward any plan of his own of an original charac ter, but he submitted that the solution of the problem could be easily discovered, by a consideration of the au thorities contained in Earl Devon's report. At present farmers in Ireland preferred placing their capital in the savings' banks to investing it in anyway in which the prospect of a return was not so certain. If, therefore Parliament passed some measure to enable those people to invest their capital so as to be productive, and gave them some guarantee of a return, they would find that Ireland had sufficient capital of its own. Sir G. GREY said—ln all the speeches which had been delivered in the course of the debate he was asto nished to see that a want of union existed as to the adoption of any practical remedy for the evils of Ireland. The Hon. Member (Mr. Osborne) had no right whatever to taunt the Government with bringing forward coercive measures for Ireland, because they were indispensably necessary for the maintenance of law and order, and for the safety of the lives of all loyal disposed persons in that country.—(Hear, hear.) He readily admitted that there were many political measures required for Ireland, but he was prepared to deny that this was the most advantageous time fOr agitating the question now before the House, because if it were persisted in it could not lead to a successful termination. He, however, begged to say that he for one would hail the arrival of that time when some maturely-considered measure was introduced into the House for remedying the evils of Ireland, and whether in office or out of office he should concur in that measure if it was calculated to accomplish the object. The Hon. Member (Mr. Osborne) had recommended an universal system of colonization, but the results of such a system were very slow and gradual, and although now carried on to a great extent the effects of it were scarcely per.. ceptible. Having stated that the Government were prevented bringing forward any measures for Ireland from the peculiar circumstances which now existed, he had no wish to go into detail as to the censure which had been cast upon the Government for postponing them. The reason he had given might be unsatisfactory, and he did not mean to say that the Government were altogether blameless, and that some degree of censure might not be applied to them. All the Hon. Members who had spoken had recommended that something should be done, but no one had brought forward any specific plan. The Hon. Baronet then re ferred to measures which had been alluded to for reco- vering waste lands and for amending the law. with respect to the rights of landlords and tenants. He believed that many of the evils of Ireland arose from the nature of the relations of land ; and he considered that many of them could not be removed by legislation, but by private individuals acting in their own localities. With respect to evictions, the extent to which the practice had been carried he deeply regretted, and he believed the Government had gone as far as they reason ably could. A Bill had been sent up from this to the House of Lords which would still more secure the rights of the tenants, and prevent the landlords from taking an endue advant.ge of Am. Mr. SCROI - E,plained that what be meant was that evicted tenkints should be entitled to receive com- pulsation for being deprived of their dwellings. Sir G. GREY : said the object of the Government in introducing th—t,Bill was to prevent persons from being turned out of thqir homes, and being compelled to sleep under hedges.—(Hear.) The small subdivision of the land in Ireland produced much of the poverty that existed in Ireland, and considered that capitalists in that country v, ould do a vast amount of good if they took larger farms . and empl oye d persons at wee k ly wages. He wished Irish Memb ers wou l d act more i n unison with respect to Irish measures. The accounts he had received from Ireland during the last few days with respect to the potato crop were more favourable than those previously received.—(Hear.) He hoped that no sudden panic would occur on the matter which would lead the people . to despair, because there was every reason to believe that the crop would be a good one, although the disease had in some parts made its appearance.—(Divide.) Colonel D . UNNE advert e d t o some o f t h e measures alluded to in the course of the debate. Time should be given for the consideration of the grand jury laws. A more important subject than that of the fisheries of Ireland could not come before the House, and he trusted it would receive early and most attentive consi • duration. He regretted that the Franchise Bill had been postponed. The Polling Places Bill was not of much consequence. The promotion of emigratio n w as m o s t important. Little could be done in respect to railways this session. If the Irish Members did not act in unison, did not the English Members entertain differences of opinion, and did not a diff e r ence o f o pi n i on ex i st u p on almost all subjects?—(Hear.) No body of men could have more strongly expressed their views with respect to a poor-law suitable for Ireland than the Irish Members who objected to the present measure. He trusted the Government would assure the House that a Bill on enlightened principles would be brought in at the earliest possible period. He read a letter from Mullingar, stating that the present law was destroying the condi tion of Ireland. It was said that the law was similar to that in force in England; but he denied that it was so. With respect to the impending rebel lion in Ireland, he considered that the leading agitators were wholly incapable of the task they had assigned to themselves, and he thought the Government had done well in passing a measure empowering the Lord-Lieutenant to shut them up, so that they might neither injure themselves or others. The Right Hon. Baronet said that nothing could be now done until the next session. This was, indeed, a matter for sincere regret, when the condition of Ireland was borne in mind. Mr. R. M. FOX read a letter from a practical agriculturist and a magistrate in Longford, stating that the fears with respect to the potato crop weregroundless, and that the crops would be altogether good. The Right Hon. Baronet (Sir G. Grey) had challenged the Irish Members to produce one practical measure. He in troduced one to improve the arterial drainage of Ireland. In that country there were Crown lands, which yielded but 50,000/., and which cost a great deal in their ma nagement; they might be sold for 250,0001., which lent at 5 per cent. might be made the means of improving waste lands, and thus employ 1,000,000 of people. The Church of Ireland did far more good than injury. Mr. CLEMENTS deprecated the course that had been pursued by the Honourable Member for Stroud, and be lieved that no'inan had done more mischief towards Ire land than that Hon. Member. Ho had attributed to the landlords of Ireland the whole cause of the miseries of that unhappy country. He would give his vote, althou g h a reluctant one, to going into a Committee of Supply. Although he could not support the motion of the Hon. Member for Rochdale, nothing should pre vent him from doing all in his power to preserve the in tegrity of Ireland. Sir D. NORREYS would vote for the measure, but at the same time he felt bound to express his great dis appointment that no remedial measures had been intro duced by the Government to improve the condition of Ireland. He believed that the labour restraint might be greatly relieved in Ireland, and that much might be done by the Government if they would only turn their atten tion to it, to the employment of capital in Ireland. He would tell the Government that any attempt to patch up the grand jury laws would do no good. He hoped, however, that the Government would introduce some measure on the subject of the g rand jury laws, and thereby enable the House fully to consider the question. At the present moment more than 41 poe cent, .of the population of Ireland were receiving relief, and . he would ask whether that was a p ro p er state of things, and one which ought to be allowed to exist ? He was sorry to see the Noble Lord at the head of the Government pursuing the course he had done, because he believed that in doing so, he was pursuing a course that was doing himself injustice. — (Hear , hear.) Sir W. SOMERVILLE denied that the measures that had been introduced by the Government were calculated t o deprive any part of the Irish people of their rights. He thought that no man in that House could with truth say that there was any indisposition ,on the part of the House of Commons to consider the rights of the people of Ireland. No man would bo more cautious than him self in depriving any party in Ireland of their just rights. He believed that nothing would be worse than depriving the tenants of Ulster of the good understanding which existed between them and their landlords. He admitted that the law with respect to landlord hatdid and not tenant agree r w e with the i r ed very assertion grsra t improvement, that it was 25 0 0 10e 0 0 SO 0 0 100 0 0 10 0 0 SO 0 0 100 0 0 20 0 0 25 0 0 50 0 0 40 0 0 Amount of Share. INSURANCE Cl Name of Company. Dividend per Annum. IZIPANIMS. Amount of Share. Paid. Price X a. d. X a. d. Albion .........• •• • • 31.105. 500 0 0 50 0 0 75 Alliance Brit. and For. 6 per cent. 100 0 0 11 0 0 173( Ditto Marine.• •- • • 61. per cent, 100 0 0 3 0 0 4% .ties 138.6 d. pr sh. 50 0 0 5 6 8 13 British Commercial - 7s.per share 50 0 0 5 0 0 6 Clericl,Med .84 Gen. Life spr ct.& bs. 100 0 0 10 0 0 19 81. 100 0 0 10 0 0 - 14s. 50 0 0 5 0 0 11 Eagle Eng.& Scot. Law • - 51. per cent. 50 0 0 212 6 - European Life ••• • • • 534 per cent. 20 0 0 All paid. - Family Endowmet Soc. 41. & be. 100 0 0 4 0 0 - Freemason.a' .• •••• • • • 81. per cent. 20 0 0 3 0 0 - Globe • ...• •.••• • • • .. 61. per cent. Stock. - 113% Guardian 5l. per cent. 100 0 0 36 10 0 - Imperial Fire .... •• • • 12 per cent. 500 0 0 50 0 0 205 Imperial Life • ....... 12s. 100 0 0 10 0 0 15% Indemnity 3larine•• •• 11. sh. & be. 100 0 0 513 1 25 Law Fire .• • ..... •. •• - 100 0 0 210 0 - LAW I tie -..••• • • • .. 11. 16s. 100 0 0 10 0 0 - Legal and General Life - 50 0 0 2 0 0 41 Os, Lzniclen Fire ••• • • • 10s. 25 0 0 12 10 0 - London Ship ........ 10s. 25 0 0 12 10 0 13 Marine.. ........... - 100 0 0 15 0 0 - Med. Inylld&Gen.Life 4%1. per et. 50 0 0 20 0 25( National Lean Fund.. 51. per cent. 20 0 0 210 0 - National Life • . - Palladium Life 5l. per cent. 50 0 0 2 0 0 2 Pelican - - - - Pncenix - - - Pt otector Life.... • - W. per cent. 20 0 0 1 0 0 - Provident Life.... -• . 11. ss. 100 0 0 10 0 0 26 Rock Life . 45. 5 0 0 010 0 4 sj Royal Exchange Si. per cent. Stock. - 170 Spin Fire - ...... • • • 61. 10s. - - 197 Ditto Life . 11. 6s. - - - Universal Life lO% pr cnt. 100 0 0 9 0 0 25 Vieturia Life • . - - 4 0 0 4 DOCN.S. Dividend Amount Name of Company per of Paid. Price. Annum. Share. --- - X s. d. X of. d. ommercial - • - East and West India - 11834 East Country - 21 London . 51. pr cent. Stock. - 103 nitto Bonds - ... • - 41. per cent. - - - St. Katharine •••• • • • • 4 per cent. Stock. - - Ditto Bonds • • - 4341. pr cent. - - - Smthampton ••.. • •• 21. per cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 - IXTATIIILAITORICS. Dividend Amount Name of Company, per of Paid. . Price. Annum. Share. £ s. d. Z s. d. Birmingham. .••• • • • • 18s. 25 0 0 25 0 0 - East London..• •••.• .. 81. 100 0 0 - 174 Grand Junction ••• • • • 21. 105. 41 13 4 - 80 Kent • 3/. 100 0 0 - 76 New Myr Lndn Brdge 21. 10s. - - 55 Vauxhall ............ 51. per cnt. 100 0 0 - - West Middlesex . . . 61.0 e. pr cnt. - - 118 GAS-I.IGNT AND CONE COMPANIES. Dividend Amount Name of Company. per of Paid. Price. Annum. Share. ---- --- X. a. d. A. s. d. British ••••••.. • • •• - 11. 40 0 0 18 0 0 16 Ditto Provincial.• .. 11. Bs. 20 0 0 19 0 0 23 Bristol •• • . .... ••• • • • 101. per cent. 20 0 0 - - Brighton •.••-• • • • .. 51. per cent. 20 0 0 - 16 City of London ...... 101. 100 0 0 100 0 0 250 ContinentalConsolidat. 925. pr share 50 0 0 39 5 0 - Ditto, New • • .... • • 85s. pr share 50 0 0 37 10 0 - Equitable ........ •• .. 451. pr share 50 0 0 50 0 0 38 Imperial • • .... ••• • .• 61. per cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 68 Independent ... ..... . 61. per cent. 40 0 0 40 0 0 64 - 50 0 0 30 0 0 - - 50 0 0 50 0 0 - Phoenix . - .... • • .... 51. per cent. 50 0 0 46 0 0 31 Ratcliff -- - ...... 51. and bns. 100 0 0 90 0 0 75 United General ... • - 4%1. pr cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 15 Westminster Chartered 31. 50 0 0 - 55% Ditto, New . ...... . 12s. 50 0 0 10 0 0 11 Ch.NfAX.S. per Names of e Dividend Names of d 'Dividend Companies. 21 per Price. Companies. 5 Price. el Annum.' I; Annum. X AshtnSc Oldh 97 71. p e 80 Macciesfeld . 100 - Barnsley •• • • 160 121. 180 Neath ••• • • • 100 181. Brittik&Abrg 150 41. 85 Oxford.. •• • • 100 20/. 190 Birmingham 35 , 4/. 80 Peak Forest. 78 Ooventry.... 100 25/. - Regent's •••• 33 i 1/. ss. 184 Derby •• • • • 1 100 61. 63 Rochdale.. •• 85 41. 54 Elleture&Chsll33 41. 48 Somrset Coal on 71.105. 130 Ere, ash • • •ilOO 324 - Do.Lk FdSt 12 61. p. c. Gra ndJunetnlloo 51. 77 Stffrd &Wore 140 281. 290 GrandSurrey!loo - 35 Shrewsbury.. 125 15/. Grand Union 100 11. 10s. 25 Stourbridge.. Grantham 150 121. - Severn and 1 145 201. 284 Kennt & Avn 39 1 7s. 6d. 4% Wye Rail. 26 11. 85. 26 Leeds&Livrp 100 1 341. 410 Warwick& Leicester ..•• 140, 101. 75 R i irming. 1 00 51. 65 Leicstr &Nth 83, 41 36 Warw lc k&-1 100 Loughborogh 142 701. - Napton-J 46 Monmouthsh 100 81. - Worcstr 78 21. II Mntgomrysh 100 1 51. - Birming. MelteeMwbry 100 i 101. - Wilts & Brks -, 11. 11 LIST OP SCOTTISH COMPANIES' PRICES Dividend Amount Name of Company. per of Paid. Price. Annum. Share. £ a. d. , £ a. d Bank of Scotland British Linen Company 81. per cent. 100 0 0 100 0 0 195 Caledonian Bank ••.• • 74 per sent. 10 0 0 210 0 U. Os City of Glasgow Bank . 61. per cent. 10 0 0 16 0 0 114 Clydesdale Bank •• ••• • 64 per cent. 20 0 0 10 0 0 12* Commercial Bank •. • • 71. per cent. 500 0 0 j 100 0 0 150 Eastern Bank .••• • • • • 61. per cent. 25 u 0 10 0 C 91.195. Edinb.k Glasgow Bank 61. per cent. 5 0 0 5 0 0 .7,5 S Exehangeßnk of Scot 6l. per cent. 100 0 0 50 0 0 414 Isle of Man. Company 71. per cent. 10 0 0 7 0 0 - National Bank .. . ... 64 per cent. 50 0 0 10 0 0 13 liorthof Scotland North British Bank • • 50 0 0 10 0 0 34 Royal Bank of Scotland 51. per cent. 100 0 0 100 0 0 1184 Union Bank of Scotland 81. per cent. 100 0 0 50 0 0 80 Western Bank •••• • • • • 81. per cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 f 0 Aberdeen Fire and Life 121. per cent. 12 10 0 20 0 24 B. Accord. Life and Fire 20 0 0 011 0 - British Guarantee Ins. 10 0 0 1 0 0 lOs Od Caledonian Fire Insur. 101. per cent. 100 0 0 10 0 0 21 Church of England Ina. 50 0 0 2 0 0 - City of Glasgow Life 6l. per cent. 25 0 0 2 0 0 21. 44 Edinburgh Life Insur 6/. per cent. 100 0 0 12 10 0 17 East of Scotland Life lO 0 0 015 0 118.0 d. Eng. & Scot, Law Life 51. per cent. 50 0 0 217 6 - Ilercules Insurance Co. 71. per cent. 100 0 0 10 0 0 11 (num Co. of Scetlnd• • Si. per cent. 100 0 0 10 0 0 7 Life Assoc. of Scotland 51. per cent. 10 0 0 1 0 0 1/. 7., Mercantile Life .. • • National Fire and Life Si. per cent. 10 0 0 1 0 0 20s. North British Incur 54 i.pr cent. 200 0 0 20 0 0 22 North Sc West of Scot W. per cent. 10 0 0 1 0 0 172.0 d. Scottish Life and Guar 2O 0 0 11 11 0 ss. Scot. Mae. and Gen. Life 1 0 0 015 0 106.0 d Scottish Union Insrnce. 61,(1. pr cent. 20 0 0 1 0 0 IL is Standard Life ...... . 51. per cent. 50 0 0 45 0 SIU United Dep. Assurance 51. per cent. 10 0 0 1 0 0 128.0 d MISCELLANEOUS. Dividend Amount Name of Company. per of Paid. Price Annum. shire. ' - X. a. d. X. a. d. Australian Agricultarl 100 0 0 30 0 0 - Anglo-Mexican Mint.. 11. 4s. 10 0 0 10 0 0 16 Ditto, Half Shares.. 2 10 0 - Canada ... • • ..' • • GI. per cent. 100 0 I 32 10 * - Uppr Canada Bonds 51. per:cent. - City Bonds.. .... 341. pr cent. - 82 Comp.Cppr 3lsrs Eng. 51. per cent. 100 0 0 70 0 0 - Gen. Revers. & Invest. sp. c.k bs, 2/ 100 0 0 100 0 0 - Equitable Iteversienry 5/. pr cent. 100 0 0 j 100 0 0 91% Gee.Steem Navig talon 11. Si. 15 0 0 14 0 0 18 London Institution . • . 10 Peninsir & Orient.Stm. 81. per cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 52 Reversionary Int. Soc. 441. pr cent. 100 0 0 100 0 0 - Royal Mail Stearn- •. 341. pr cent. 100 0 0 60 0 0 454 South Australian ....• 11. per share. 25 0 0 25 0 0 16 Van Diemen's Land.. 100 0 0 23 0 0 - Universal Salvage.... 25 0 0 i 0 0 - MOVEMENT OF TROOPS. WOOLWICH, JULY 29. Lieutenant Kennedy, one sergeant, ono corporal, and ten gunners, of the Royal Marine Artillery, three ser• gthree corporals, and thi rty pr i vates of the Royal M e a a r n i t ri s es, marched this morning at four o'clock from Woolwich to Euston-square, to proceed by railway to Liverpool, to place themselves under the direction of the Packet-master at that port, for the purpose, it is said, of placing one sergeant, one corporal, and ten privates, on board each of the mail steam-packets on the Liverpool station, for their protection. The Black Eagle, the Monkey, and the Charon steam vessels still continue to keep their steam up at moorings, opposite the Woolwich Dockyard, ready to be made available for the transport of troops or ammunition at a moment's notice. The wheat harvest has commenced in the neigh bourhood of Taunton ; the oars are heavy, and the straw of good quality. Barley and oats are fine, and will yield a good crop. Potatoes have been selling in that town at the low price of 6d. per score. IVAKEFIELD CORN MARKET, FRIDAY. --During the past week the weather has been unsettled. There is a good supply of wheat for which we have a free sale at an advance of 3s. to 4s. per qr. Oats are a t id. per stone, and shelling Is. per load higher. Beane rather better sold. A Bayonne letter of the 25th instant announces that a body of 2,000 convicts had revolted at Valladolid, massacred their guards, and fled into the country, crying that they were going to join the Montemolinist bands in La Mancha. at the root of all the social evils of Ireland. The dissatisfaction which existed was less with respect to the relationship between landlord and tenant as the relationship between tenant and labourer, and it was the situation of the labouring population, who were now subjected to such great hardships, that called for the special attention of the House.—(Hear, hear.) (The Right Hon. Baronet referred to a communication from Mr. H. I. Porter, contained in the report of Lord Devon's Committee, to show that the great evil of Ireland was attributable to the relationship between tenant and la bourer. The extract read by the Hon. Baronet went to show that the average rent paid by tenants in an estate in the north of Ireland was B‘.. 2d. an acre, while that paid by the labouring people to the tenants was 51. an acre, and in some cases us high as 101.) The law, there fore, with respect to tenant and labourer required very great revision in order to remedy the monstrous and cry ing evils to which it had given rise. With respect to the poor•law in Ireland he was ready to admit that it was defective, and if it were the wish of Irish Members there would be no objection to grant a Committee at an early period next session to consider the subject.— (Hear, hear.) The Howe would then be in possession of all the inturnaation that was required, and would be better able to amend the law. Every one knew the difficulties the Government had to contend with in coping with the famine. Next there w'as the Coercion Bill, which was miscalled, sinca none of the loyal subjects of the Crown in Ireland could complain of its influence.—(Hear, hear.) To show its necessity and that it was not altogether a failure, he quoted the following facts, namely, that the num ber of outrages in Dublin in December, 1847, was 2,162. whilst in the succeeding June they had sunk to 1,138; thus showing its efficacy and its necessity. He contended that Roman Catholics had had their fair share of the public offices of Ireland. He knew of no one who had the interest of the Roman Catholics more at heart than Mr. Redington, and in whom the interests of the members of that religion could be more safely entrusted. Then there were Mr. Monahan, the Attorney-General, and Mr. Baldwin, who were Roman Catholics, who held office. The charge was, therefore, unfounded. He agreed with the Secretary of State fur the Home Department with respect to what he had said about the Irish Church, or rather the Ecclesiastical Establishment in Ireland. The object of the Government was to put all religions in Ireland on a perfect footing of equality, and thereby to prevent heartburnings—(Hear) —by doing this they believed they would promote in a great degree the happiness of 'the whole people of Ire land. He regretted, and felt ashamed, that a portion of the press of Ireland had so grossly maligned his Noble Friend Lord Clarendon as it had; for if ever there was a man who entered upon his task heart and soul, and with an earnest desire to promote the social welfare of the people, it was that Noble Lord; he felt it his duty to give his vote against the motion of the Hon. Member for Rochdale. Mr. F. O'CONNOR ascribed the whole of the dis tress of Ireland to the neglect of the landlords, and to the non-performance of their duties : hence they were always coming to the House for measures to enable the Government to do that which they had neg lected to do themselves.—(Hear, hear.) Ho asked the Government if, when other countries were advancing, Ireland should be allowed to retrogade? The Noble Lord last night stated that early marriages were the cause of some of the misery of Ireland. Why, would the prevention of such marriages prevent the increase of that popula tion?—(Laughter.) He complained that he had never heard two Irish Members agree as to the exact nature of the ameliorative measures which Ireland required. Mr. A Stafford and Mr. Newdegate rose together, and remained standing for some time; but the latter having first caught the Speaker's eye, Mr. Stafford at length gave way. Mr. NEWDEGATE—He did not think it necessary to allude in detail to any of the propositions which had been made in the course of the debate for the modifica tion of the Act of Union, because he believed those propositions to be visionary and impracticable, but he felt himself called upon to make some reference to the manner in which various Hon. Members had proposed to deal with the Church Establishment in Ireland. The Hon. Member for Middlesex (Mr. Osborne) had spoken of that establishment as of a nuisance, and had declared his willingness to go to the hustings on the question of its abolition. Ile (Mr. Newdegate) was one of that Honourable Member's constituents, and he could assure the Honourable Gentleman that he would find it a seine what more troublesome matter than he seemed to ap prehend to go to the hustings on any such question. He for one felt it to be his duty solemnly and emphatically to protest against the language which had been used with reference to the Irish Church by the Members of her Majesty's Government in the course of that debate. The Right lion. Gentleman the Secretary for the Home Department was cautious and circumspect in his selec tion of language when speaking on this question, but nevertheless it was quite evident that what he meant and intended was the suppression of the Irish Church. Sir G. GREY explained. What he had said was simply this, that he concurred with the Hon. Member for Limerick (Mr. Monsell) in hoping that the day was not distant when it might be possible to propose some measure which would put an end to the evil of having the clergy of the great majority of the people depending for their maintenance on sources such as those to which the Hon. Member for Middlesex referred.—(Hear.) Mr. NEWDEGATE, amid vehement cries of " Di vide," continued to observe that although the members of her Majesty's Government had treated the Church of Ireland as the great grievance of Ireland, there were in- dependent Irish Members in that House, even of the Roman Catholic persuasion, who regarded it in a totally different light. The Hon. Member for Longford had acknowledged the utility of the Irish Church, and paid a handsome tribute of praise to the piety, learning, and acquirements of the Irish clergy ; and the Hon. Member for Youghal, who was, as every one knew, an ardent Roman Catholic, spoke in a similar strain, and declared that he did not believe that the Irish Church was re garded as a grievance even by the Catholics of Ireland. —(Shouts of " Divide, divide," and general indications of impatience.) Let it go to the world that Irish Mem bers had so spoken of it, and that when an English Member got up to defend it from the attack of another English Member, the House endeavoured to put him down by the force of clamour.—(Divide, divide.) The Church was the key-stone of that arch which united the two countries.—(Tremendous shouts of " Divide.") He should be sorry to move the adjournment of the House, but he feared he should have to do so. Why should any' Member of that House, be he Minister or not, presume to speak of the Irish Church as the upas tree of Parlia meat ?—(Derisive cheers.) It was a blessing to Ireland, and it had the strongest claims on the reverential regard of the great majority of the English people.—( Uproar.) To the majority of the English people he was content to leave the issue. —(Hear, hear.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL—I fear that the Hon. Mem ber has mistaken the members of the Government, and me in particular, on a point on which it is very desirable that we should not be misunderstood. He says that the members of the Government have represented the Irish Established Church as a grievance, and went on to repre sent that we had even attacked the conduct of the clergy of that Church. Mr. NEWDEGATE—Ob, no, I did not say so. Lord J. RUSSELL—WeII, I am happy to find that I misunderstood the Honourable Member. With respect to the conduct of the clergy, I have only to offer unaf fectedly the tribute of my admiration to their virtues and acquirements. Nor did I ever say that I looked upon the Established Church as a grievance. What I said was that I thought the endowment of the clergy of the minority of the people, while there was no endow ment for the clergy of the majority, was a great subject of complaint amongst the people of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) To this Sentiment I have repeatedly given ut terance, and I adhere to it now as firmly as ever. — (Hear, hoar.) In conclusion, I have only to remark, that I consented that this debate should be adjourned until this day in order that the Irish Members might have an opportunity of speaking, and I trust that they will aid me in carrying out the understanding with which we originated the debate, by assenting to a divi sion with as little delay as possible. Mr. REYNOLDS rose amid general calls for a divi sion. He wished to correct an error into which the Hon. Member for the county of Warwick had fallen. That gentleman had talked of the Hon. Member for Longford (Mr. R. M. Fox) as though he were a Catholic Member, and 'quoted from him accordingly. It was right, how ever, that the Honourable Member for Warwick should know that the Honourable Member for Longford, so far from being an orthodox Catholic, was a highly orthodox Protestant.—(Laughter.) The Honourable . Gentleman had also fallen into an error in supposing that all .persons who were Repealers in Ireland were Catholics. Mr. NEWDEGATE—I never said so. Mr. REYNOLDS had thought that the Honourable Member had said so, or at least said something tanta mount to it; but he supposed he had misunderstood him. But the Hon. Member had, at all events, fallen into a grievous error in supposing that the Honourable Member for Longford was either a Catholic, or a high authority as to the feelings of Catholics in Ireland, with respect to the Church question. The Honourable Member had referred to another Irish Member, who was not an Irish Member at all—(Great laughter)—the Honourable and Learned Member for Youghal (Mr. Anstey). It was true that that Honourable and Learned Gentleman was a Catholic, but he knew very little indeed about the feelings of Catholics in Ireland. He was a convert. He had very recently renounced what he now called the errors of the Established Church; but whether his conversion to the Church in w hi c h he (Mr. R e y no ld s) ' had the blessing of being borne, was or was not an ac quisition to that church, was a question which ho would not undertake to decide.—(Laughter.) It had often been said that the House was ignorant of the real state of Ire land. He had always known it to be true, but he could never have supposed that it could be true in so wholesale a sense as that that House could for one moment seri ously believe that the Irish people did not regard the Church Establishment as a grievance.—(Hear, hear.) If they were to believe the Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal, indeed, they would find it no difficult matter to credit that the Irish people, so far from looking on it as a grievance, regarded it as a national blessing.— (Laughter.) But he entirely denied that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was a faithful interpreter of the Irish people on the question. If the Irish people should ever bring themselves to regard the Church Establishment otherwise than as a grievance and an injustice, there would be but little chance of that prediction being rea lised, which bad been uttered some years ago by his im mortal fellow-countryman, Tommy Moore:-- "As long as Irelarid shall pretend, Like sugar-loaf turned upside down, To stand upon the sharper end, So long shall live great Rock's renown; As long as Popish spade and scythe Shall dig and cut the Sassenach's tithe, And Popish purses pay the tolls On heaven's road for Sassenach souls; As long as millions shall kneel down To ask of thousands for their own, While thousands proudly turn away, And to the millions answer, Nay; So long the merry reign shall be Of Captain Rock and his family." —(Loud laughter.) He had no to his Protestant fellow 'subjects, not the least; but what he complained of was that he should be compelled by law to support, for their gratification, an establishment from which he entirely dissented, and from which he received no be nefit. Let them look at the vulgar arithmetic of the argument. The population of Ireland was in round numbers 8,500,000. Of these 7,000,000 were Catholics, 700,000 were in communion with the Church of England, 700,000 were Presbyterians, and 100,000 were Wesleyans, Quakers, and other Dissenters. The clergy of the 7,000,000, who were 4,000 in number, cost the state nothing, being supported by the voluntary contributions of their flocks. The Presbyterians, who in the days of their political purity indignantly rejected aid from the State, now received 36,0001. a year in the shape of a Regius Donum, and the clergy of the 700,000 Episcopalians enjoyed a revenue of upwards of 700,0001. a year, which was derived from a tax levied upon all classes of religionists.—(Hear, hear.) Yet the Hon. Member opposite was so innocent, which was a soft word Ireland for ignorant—(Laughter)—as to believe that 7,000,000 of Catholics, 700,000 Presbyterians, and 100,000 Wesleyans and Quakers, did not think it a grievance (no, not the least in the world) to be compelled to pay for a clergy from whom they entirely dissented. So much for that part of the subject. There could be no doubt but that the speech of the Honourable and Gallant Member for Middlesex (Mr. Osborne) contained many useful suggestions, which might be made the foundation for good legislation. and which he hoped would one day receive the serious consideration of the House. He hoped to see the day when many of those suggestions would be carried out ; and, above all, he hoped to live to see the day when every man in the community would pay his own clergyman as he paid his own doctor.—(Laughter and cheers.) Honourable Mem bers might laugh, but he begged to call their attention to that period of the Christian era when Christianity was thought to be purest, and when its ministers were most respected, In the apostolic times there was no connec tion between church and state, and so it ought to be now. Religion ought to be sundered from all state connection, and the clergy of every persuasion should be supported by those who received the benefit of their services. Ho should vote for the motion of the Honourable Member for Rochdale, not because it would be productive of any practical good, just at present, but because it would at'- ford a guarantee to his fellow-countrymen that they should obtain relief at all events next session. For his own part, he could wish that relief were afforded now, for if ever within the last 48 years there was a period at which it was desirable that the axe should be laid to the root of bad legislation, it was the present.—(Hear, hear.) It was said that Ireland was on the verge of rebellion. He hoped it was not so ; but if it were so, those in that House and out of it, who had contributed to irritate pub lic feeling in Ireland, were accountable. Mr. STAFFORD rose amidst cries of divide to ad dress the House. He trusted the House would for a short time permit him to oncupy its attention while he addressed himself to one, or at most two, of the topics— all of them important, most of them urgent—which had been submitted for their consideration by the Honour able Gentleman the Member for Rochdale. Before pro ceeding to do so, he must remark that, whatever charges he had heard made against the Honourable Member for Dublin, certainly it was not the charge of giving a fac tious opposition to her Majesty's Government—(Hear, hear)—tor his conduct since he came into that House had been marked by a most elaborate and studious de sire to avoid any such charge.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman the Member for Dublin had stated, as he (Mr. Stafford) thought very fairly, that his wishes were not hostile to the Church of Ireland, but merely to the temporalities of that church. But the distinction which the Honourable Gentleman drew between the Church of Ireland and what the Right Honourable Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland called "the Ecclesiastical Establishment ot Ire land," was, he (Mr. Stafford) presumed, of such a nature that they had little reason to thank him for saying he entertained no hostility towards it.—(llear, hear.) He could assure him that they who belonged to that ' Church, and adhered to its ritual, and believed in its apostolical origin and immortal destiny, were nut afraid to stand up in that House to declare that it was stronger than any combination of politicians arrayed against it. —(Hear, hear.) It would be found that already there had been two alienations of the property of the Church of Ireland. The first took place when, by the abandon ment of the church cess, they fixed the charge for repairs of churches upon the ecclesiastical fund. The church cess might have been difficult of collection, unjust in its incidents, and ill managed in its expendi ture, but at all events he apprehended no gentleman, however hostile to the ecclesiastical establishments of Ireland, would deny that in removing the church cess from the property subject to that charge, and placing it upon the ecclesiastical property of the country, they simply transferred it to laymen, the owners of the pro perty on which it had been a charge. There was in the next place a commutation of tithes, and by the arrange ment which was made they gave 75 per cent. to the Church, but at the same time took 25 per cent. and gave it to the landlords.—(Rear, hear.) And they had this year under discussion the question of ministers' money in Ireland, which was said to amount to about 11,000/. or 15,0001. a year, and he believed 5,0001. of it was collected in the city which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Reynolds) represented. Mr. REYNOLDS-11,0001. Mr. STAFORD-11,000/. of which was collected in the city of Dublin. The Hon. Gentleman who brought forward the question of ministers' money, having talked, of course, of liberty of conscience—the rights of tolera tion and respect for the feelings of others, ended by pro posing that this ministers' money should be defrayed out of the ecclesiastical property.—(Cries of " Question.") There could be nothing more germane to the question. Honourable Gentlemen called "question," and that plainly showed that they did not understand tho ques tion before the House ; but it would not be his fault if they did not understand' it. A question was now raised with respect to this ministers' money ; and it the prepo sition made with regard to it was acceded to, they would merely, by doing so, transfer 15,000/. a year to the hands of the owners of the property in which it was at present charged, and 11,000/. of that would be transferred, net from the Protestant clergyman to the Roman Catholic ' priest, but from the ecclesiastical establishment to the owners of property in Dublin.—(Hear, hear.) When the Honourable Member for the city of Dublin declared that it was a hardship to bo compelled to sup port a church to which he did not belong, he would re mind the Honourable Gentleman that he and those who were anxious for ecclesiastical establishments were far more nearly united in principle than those who were opposed to establishments of that kind. The Protestants of Ireland were, in fact, in the position which the Hon. Member for Dublin wished himself to be ; but let them once apply the principle which he contended for, and not a single person in Ireland would be in that desirable state.—(Hear, hear.) He would remind the Honourable Gentleman that the position of the Roman Catholic clergy in that country was this—they stood pledged by the reiterated declarations of their Bishops, and of their advocates in that House, to the voluntary system.— (Hear, hoar.) They had no reason to assume that those Rev. Gentlemen were insincere, and the Honourable Gentleman the Member for the city of Limerick (Mr. J. O'Connell) who was recognised in that House as the organ of the Roman Catholic clergy in Ireland, when the question of religious endowment was raised, stood up in his place, and, with a consistency to be admired, declared again what he had previously affirmed, as to the advo cacy • of the voluntary principle by the Roman Catholic clergy, and stated that their opinions on the subject were still unchanged.—(Hear, hear.) It was true it had been said by some persons that the spirit of disaffection in Ireland would be quieted and removed if the Government paid the priests, but he asked them, independently of other considerations, whether the advocates of the priests could think so meanly of them.—(Hear, hear.) He might also add, with reference to this subject, that there were a great number of their fellow-subjects, not the least loyal, not the least peaceable and industrious, who held that on a question of this kind, to add a national endowment to that particular creed would be to com mit a great national sin, and call down the judgment of Heaven.—(Cries of " Divide.") With regard to any interference with the Established Church, if he under stood Irish Members rightly, they would not hail with any satisfaction the result of an agitation to knock off the expenditure in their country of a sum of 700,0001. a year; and instead of this grant coming from the conso lidated fund, and being sent over every year from the Imperial Treasury to Ireland, the result of the agita tion would be that 700,000/. a year less would be spent in Ireland, the odious church would be destroyed, and -the country would be the poorer.—(Cries of " Divide."). "Mr. GRACE would not at that late hour of the day occupy the time of the House, but as an Irish Member, he thought it right to come forward and declare his anxiety to'nee his country happy and prosperous, and the redress' of her wrongs effected. He felt extremely unhappy at the present state of the country, and re gretted that the piotnises of relief which had been held out were not realised.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. GRATTAN rose amidst loud cries of divide. When silence was restored, the Hon. Gentleman said— I merely rise to make an apology to my countrymen for not speaking.—(Loud laughter.) Tho House then divided, when there appeared— - For the amendment 24 Against it Majority. -76 POOR-LAW UNION CHARGES (No. 2) BILL. On the motion of Mr. C. BULLER, the House went into Committee pro forma on this Bill. The Right Hon. Gentleman stated that his object in moving that the Bill should go into Committee was, to propose the omission of the clause which had been inserted declaratory of the right of Irish pnupers to parochial relief in this country, after an industrial residence of fire years. Since the in sertion of the clause he had ascertained that it was un necessary._ Mr. a J. O'CONNELLa i said he should object to the clause being struck out. Mr. C. RULLER regretted exceedingly that it had ever been inserted. Its introduction into the Bill might tend to produce an impression that he had doubts as to the law as it at present stood, whereas, in truth, he did not entertain any; and he believed that legal opinions to the elect that you might deny relief to Irish paupers who had been resident in the same parish five years would be found to be ex ceedingly rare. lie should be excee di ngly grieved if any discussion were to create in that House the disposition upon which some boards of guardians seamed inclined to act, namely, a disposition to deprive the Irish poor of benefits which the law had undoubtedly intended for them; benefits which he would do his best to secure for them without legislation, in the next ses sion, and with legislation if ho should find it necessary for the object. He believed that all the advantages of the law were as much intended for the Irish poor as for j fib English poor. _ Paid. s. Q. 4000 50 0 0 25 0 0 20 0' 0 25 0 0 25 0 0 20 0 0 13 0 0 10 0 0 25 0 0 10 0 0 22 1.0 0 35 0 0 10 0 0 22 10 0 25 0 0 2 10 0 10 0 0 40 0 0 6000 40 0 0 Mr. SADLEIR said, that as very great doubts existed,. and, as it was probable that during the next two of three years questions would frequently be raised, the sooner all doubts were removed as to the real state of the law, the better would it be for all concerned. Mr. GROG AN said he understood the Right Hon. Gentleman to intimate that this clause, originally intro duced by himself, was unnecessary, because.having taken the best legal opinion on the subject, he felt satis fied that Irish paupers were i rremova b le after fiveyears residence.--(Hear, hear.) In this state of things the Right Hon. Gentleman proposed to withdraw the clause; but, seeing that the Right Hon. Gentleman himself ad mitted that doubts had arises, would it not be judicious to have an explanatory statement of the law which would make it impossible for boards of guardians here after to act on the supposition that they had the power of removal? Mr. C. BULLER did not believe that serious doubts were entertained upon the point. Certainly the opinion of one counsel, a gentleman of eminence, though not of the first authority in the law, had been given against the right of the Irish and Scotch to relief; and he under s (,od that in two or three cases that opinion had been acted upon. As regarded the opposition made to his proposal to withdraw the clause, he must say that the result of perseverance would be that a clause which he had almost despaired of carrying with the aid of Irish Members, those Members would have to carry with their own force, not only without assistance, but against his opposition. He could assure the House that he had not withdrawn the clause lightly. He believed that discus• sion would do infinitely more harm than non-interfe rence with the law during the present session, and he did trust that, for the sake of those whose interest they wished to promote, Honourable Members would not raise a useless—a worse than useless discussion. Mr. MONSELL thought that Irish Members would best promote their object by not offering any direct op• position to the course proposed. As both the Govern merit and the English Members generally would vote against it, it was perfectly clear that the clause would be negatived, and he feared that that might produce an in jurious effect upon boards of guardians, affording (heal . a loophole for getting rid of the very onerous duty of supporting the Irish poor. CLE AIENTS did not understand how the Govern' ment could oppose a clause which they had thernselvc introduced, whatever might be said of the anticipate(% opposition of English Members.—(Hear.) Mr. GROGAN thought the position of Irish Members a most unfortunate one.—(Hear.) The clause ha emanated, not from them, but from the Government. and the question was forced upon their consideration by the Right Hon. Gentleman himself. Yet th e Rigby Hon. Gentleman then told the House that if this claus were brought forward by Irish Members he must oppos • it. The clause was simply declaratory of the state o' the law, and it was admitted that some boards of guar diens bad acted upon an erroneous impression. Uncle" the circumstances, considering that doubts had arisen; he could not imagine that the Government would offe . any opposition to the clause. Mr. CHARLES DULLER said, that though th clause was introduced with good intentions, ther' had been a want of foresight in proposing it: As it had been said that he was pursuing his peesen course on account of the expected opposition ()_,.! English Member s , h e must o b serve that he ha' received several complaints respecting the clause frotr. various parts of the country, and that none of those cow plaints were legitimate; the words of the clause bein, l supposed to have an operation larger than he had tended, or the words themselves would bear. It Wirt not, perhaps, a legitimate objection to the clause, bu • still it was au objection that it would have given rise t a very painful discussion respecting the removal of Iris!. paupers, and he thought it undesirable that such a dis• - cussion should take place. He did not wish to with' draw the clause on account of any opposition which - 11( anticipated; but one of the best friends of the Poo' Removal Aet—one of those whose opinion upon, aw interest in, that Act were least open to doubt—hal come to him and said that it would be very onwi* to raise the question by proposing a declaratory enact' ment, when there were no such serious doubts as to . render an enactment necessary ; adding, that as It friend to Irish paupers, he begged that the clause might be dropped, rather than _there should be ail discussion upon it. He (Mr. C. Buller) assured the House that he proposed the withdrawal much more from a regard to the interest of those who had complained of the l'oor Removal Act than from any fear of opposition; but if Hon. Gentlemen persevered in their opposition $' what he proposed, the only course open was to move that the Charman do report progress. Mr. CLEMENTS was very anxious, as far as possible, to meet the views of the Right Hon. Gentleman, but lit really thought that by consenting to the withdrawal O. the clause he should place himself in a false position. Mr. S. CRAWFORD said that Irish Members woulo certainly be placed in a very false position if they con . sented to the withdrawal of the clause on that occasian . and afterwards prop ose d t o re -i nsert i t. He thought I was right that the point should be further considered. Mr. C. BULLER having intimated that he should net persevere in his proposal, The House resumed and the Chairman reported pro' gross, the clause discussed still remaining in the BUJ. The House adjourned at half-past Seven. RAILWAY SHARE MARKETS. LIVERPOOL, JULY 29. STOOK ExcHArton.—The sales are—Caledonian, Prete , . rence, Bs. 9d. p.—Lancashire and Yorkshire, Fifths, 11A dis; —Ditto, 10/. Shares, Preference, 13s. 9d. p.—London an' North-Western, 124% c.--Ditto, 401. Shares (L. and M.)• 9 % p.—Ditto, New Quarters, 1 1 4 p.—Manchester, Sheffiele! and Lincolnshire, 101. Preference, 10%—Midland Stocks 102 c.—Ditto, New Halves, 61 dis.— South-Eastern an! Dover, No. 4, Thirds, 3c. dis.—York, Newcastle, and Berl wick (N. and B. Extension, No. 2), 1% p.—Ditto (G. N. E• Purchase), 1 c. p. MANCHESTER, JULY 29. STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sales are—Leeds and Thirsk. Preference, 2 1 4 dis.—Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln shire, No. '2, Quarters, 15—North Staffordshire, 2% dial. - South-Eastern and Dover, 25. NE W CASTL E- UPON-TYNE, JULY 29. STOCK EXCHANWL—The sales are—Newcastle and Car lisle, 107%—North British, Thirds, 395. dis.—York, Noir castle, and Berwick (Extension, No. 2), 1% p. THE WEATHER.—The weather has since our list+ until yesterday, been rather of an unsettled character' On Wednesday, indeed, it rained continually during tb' greater part of the day, only clearing up towards the evening. The temperature was also low on that de+ the maximum being only 60 degrees. Thure' day morning was alternately fine and overcast showers fell in the afternoon, but the evening vil e fine and clear. The temperature was higher than on the previous day, and the barometer indicated an in creased atmospheric pressure. Yesterday was an ex . ceedingly fine and pleasant day, though by no "nestle hot for the time of year. The returns by the electric telegraph from th e var i ous parts of the country e S seven o'clock yesterday morning indicated a vent favourable state of the weather throughout the country' S. very fine; Norwich, S.W. fine; Yarmouth, S. fine ; Lowestoffe, W. cloudy; Birmingham, S.W. fine; Rug W. S.E. fi ne; Masborough, S. very fine; London+ W fine; Colchester, S.W. fine; Southampton, E. fine' Brandon, Gl asgow, S. cloudy • Edinburgh, S.S.vY' cloud ' y • Newcastle, S.W. fine York S.W. ver y fin e Hull, S.W. fin e; Manchester,W.; fine; Liverpool,W.N.w' fine; Normanton, S.W. very fine; Lincoln, S.W. very fine; Nottingham, W. fine ; Derby, S.W. very fine ; Leicester, S.W. fine; Hertford, S.W. fine; Chelmsford+ S.W. fine.—Manchester Guardian of Saturday. Letters from St. Petersburgh of the 18th instant state that the cholera was beginning to diminish in in, tensity in th a t c i ty . O n the 14th instant there remained -3,972 patients under cure. The same day there were 525 new cases, 218 recoveries, and 382 deaths. On the 15th there were 432 new cases, 262 recoveries, and 27 4 deaths. On the 16th there remained 3,843, patient. suffering under the disease. A PROVIDENT SAILOR.—A very gratifying in' stance of what may be accomplished by careful and pro" dent habits on the part of seamen, has just been dis played by one of the old boarders at the Sailors' Homo , who on each returning voyage placed a portion of big wages in the savings' bank attached to that institution+ until the principal and interest having increased to 200 h, he has now purchased that amount in the public funds' This sailor is a native of Ireland, and has always been in the habit of remembering his relatives in that min. try, to whom he has constantly sent pecuniary assistance, 111 IL2'llB. On the 26th inst., at Benningbrough-hall, the Viscount Down, of a son. On the 24th inst., at Bury St. Edmund's, Suftblk, Mrs. N. Rodwell, of a son. On the 26th inst., at Denmark-hill, Mrs. John Bona, di daughter. On the 26th inst., at Little Oakley Rectory, Essex, the wife of the Rev. G. Burmestar, of a daughter. On the 26th inst., at the Vicarage, Wartling, Sussex, the wife of the Rev. J. Turner, of a daughter. On the 26th inst., at Kensington -garden-terrace, Hyde" park, the wife of Dr. Markham, of a son. At Hythe Villa, New Finchley-road, St. John's-wood, e ll the 27th inst., the wife of Captain Vetch, ft.E., of a daughte r ' On the 28th inst., at Cadogan-place, the wife of Robert Synnot, Esq., M.D., of a son. On the 26th inst., at Clifton, the lady of the Rev. G. Arta strong, of a daughter. AfARRID. On the 21st i ns t., at Christchur E ch, St. Marylebone, Ja nie ! Simpson, Lieut enant R . N ., to Mary Anne, youngest daughte r of T. Bradshaw, Esq., of Connaught-terrace, Hyde-park. On the 26th inst., at St. Chad, Frederick H. Herbert, Est of the Bengal Artillery, to Emma, eldest daughter of J• James, Esq., of Highfield, Warwickshire. On the 27th inst., at St. Margaret's Church, Nathaniel E• Robbins, Esq.. late of the 2d Dragoon Guards, to Bos e ' youngest daughter of the Rev. Edward Repton, Prebendal of Westminster. On the 27th inst., at Ch r i s t Church, Marylebone, Bfr • „d Simpson, of Portman-pla c e, Ed geware - roa d, to Eli za , second daughter of Mr. Selby, of York-row, Kennington. DIED. At the Vicarage, Seighford, Staffordshire, on the 21st inst" Rebeccs. Dorothy, wife of the Rev. J. Thompson. At Ardrossan, ou the 25th inst., Mrs. Mary L e gge, or Aid' wife of Captain Charles H. Reid, RN., of Grange-hill, shire, aged 60. On the 26th inst., at Exeter, aged 71, John Gandy, ESq" second son of the late Rev. John Gandy, vicar of st. A" drew's, Plymouth. On the 26th inst., at St. John's-wood, Mrs. Carry, wide W of the late J. Curry, Esq., aged 76. At Hampstead, on the 27th in s t., a g ed 84, Elizabeth, widow of the late W. Kilburn, Esq., of Wallington, Surrey. On the 27th inst. in London, Mrs. Tomlinson, sister u the Lord Bishop of Gibraltar. On the 27th inst., Rebecca, the wife of Mr. J. S. Bobintfon , of East Iloathly, Sussex, aged 51. On the 29th inst., in Cambridge-street, Hyde-park, at a u advanced age, Miss Thesiger. London: Printed and Published by MURDO fOIINO , A No. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sun Office, No. 112:. Strand, in the Precin c t o f t h e S avo y, i n the coolOY °I Bilddleasz, Monday, July 31, 1848. ~;: t t, ;N a :' , , 1 fi