The Sun. — London, England, 1848-08-15 00:00:00

IME ailed lolics ;rest elves lanie multi t the stra n the [legal this rision would ns ef lering g that stood, WM £0 ) and not to mica Cation ispen. Ultra opin- intro of the ,resent icer to thee ) d thtli ionthh r these essure. s with: ed tha t Y WON I. 2 a nd 11 .0 th lid AO r day.) e three llegi mai the oit9rl iffere P ! ble “/ a of )11)91:buo 'Tool Aever n she cop per, de 0 11 ` Rte SD , wig° Lifer r Of t he , iloo 5 " ,ritYin% mbe 13,s fercovj ,413 ,or 10A ist CO . ( fate 12. 0 , 1 ,x, !THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY dered his resignation in consequence of that circutn stance, and that alone. Lord D. STUART asked the Noble Lord the Secre tary for Foreign Affairs if he could inform the House whether the Russian army, which had entered the prin cipalities of the Danube, had retired into Russia? Was the report to that effect truc ? Viscount PALMERSTON believed the report to which the Noble Lord alluded was correct. The last ac count he had from the consul in Moldavia stated that the Russiae troops which entered Moldaria had retired, or were about to retire, from that principality. That body of troops had entered Moldavia at the reqeest of the Rospodar; by the last accounts it was retiring, and no part of it had entered the principality of Wallachia. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the order of the day for Vominittee of Supply. COLONIAL CORRESPONDENCE. Lord G. BENTINCK rose to move, " That an humble address be presented to her Majesty, that she will be graciously pleased to direct th e Earl of Elgin and Cneardine forthwith to transmit to her Majesty's Secretary of State for the Colonies copies of the omitted correspondence between the Provincial Secretary of Canada and the Secretary of the Montreal Board of Trade, and will direct that the same be laid before this Rouse." Ile had expected that his motion would have been unopposed, but he understood it was ob j ected to by Government, on the ground of the word " omitted," and also of its proposing to direct Lord Elgin " forthwith " to transmit to her Majesty's Secretary of State copies of that correspondence. He did not think he could have Lade use of a more appropriate mode of expression, but be supposed Ministers were somewhat sensitive at an im putation of any correspondence having been omitted by the Colonial-office. The omission of which he com plained was on a subject of great interest to the cotn- Inanity, arising out of the fact of Government having thought proper to lay before the House correspondence between the Governor-General of Canada and the Secretary of State relating to the navigation- Uwe. The general complaint was that Ministers, in laying correspondence before that or the other Rouse,•thought themselves entitled to select only such dispatches as told for the policy of which they were the advocates. The Provincial Secretary had reprimanded ihe Council of the Board of Trade of Montreal in severe terms for the manner in which they had addressed the Queen and both Houses of Parliament. That repri mand was sent home, and he contended that Lord Elgin Should also have sent home a copy of the rejoinder made to him by the secretary of that board, by the in struction of the Council. He wanted to know if the Governor had received instructions to send home only such dispatches as suited the views of Government. On the 7th July, only four days before it became noto rious in that House that Ministers did not intend to pro • coed with the measure for the repeal of the navigation laws, Earl Grey wrote to Lord Elgin to say that Mi - Eiders were sensible of its extreme importance to the Canadas, and entertained a confident hope that it would pass into a law. Could it believed that Ministers on the 7th July last seriously entertained a confident hope that the measure would pass into a law? In stead of encouraging the vain and futile hope that a com petition between New York and a colony so disadvan tageously circumstanced, in respect to climate and posi tion, as the Canadas, could result in that colony being Placed on an equal footing with New York, it was the duty of the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies to have demonstrated that such a result was wholly un attainable; and that no repeal or modification of the navigation laws could possibly secure for the Canadas any such advantages as were fallaciously held out to them. Instead of exciting in the breasts of the Cana dian colonists the silly hope that the repeal of the navi gation laws would place them on an equal footing with the merchants and farmers of the state of New York, it was his bounden duty to have informed them that any iuch expectation was a delusion. It was a mere mockery to pretend that the repeal of the navigation laws could place Montreal and New York on an equal foot - ing. The average duration of the voyage from New York to Portsmouth was twenty days, and of the voyage back thirty days, while the average voyage from Quebec to London was forty-five days, and from London to Quebec thirty-five days. How then could it be pretended than an equality could be established between two countries so differently circumstanced ? But besides that there were other difficulties equally in surmountable. The navigation of the St. Lawrence Was continually interrupted and made dangerous, not only by shoals and rapids, but by fogs and snow • storms, and the result was that not only were from - 'twenty to thirty days more required to complete the tleyage between Montreal and London than were 'necessary for the passage between New York and Len dons but the charge of insurance was proportionately larger, the risk being very much greater. The rate of insurance on ships from New York to London ranged . from 40s. to 60s. per cent., whereas the rate charged on resaels trading between Montreal and London was never, even at the moat favourable period of the year, less than 4 /- per cent. There were, moreover, several other ex penses of an incidental character, which no legislation could affect, such as that for steam-tugs up the St. Law . rence, &c., he., which in the aggregate amounted to a very large sum ; so that in Canadian ships of 400 tons there was an increase of 10d. a barrel in the freight of sour, He hoped , that the Canadians would not allow themselves to be deceived, no mat ter how authoritative the quarter might be from which the misrepresentation might emanate. He Would take leave to forwarn the colonies that, if any . people were to suffer from the repeal of the navigation laws, none that he knew of would suffer more than those 'very, colonies. They were in no very flourishing condi tion even at the present moment, as was evidenced by this fact, that of the 45 merchants who were engaged in the lumber trade in Quebec, 21 were already bankrupts, and 19 others were in the hands of their bankers. He trusted that the House would acquiesce in his motion, and so read a lesson to Governors-General and other persons holding high office in the colonies, which might give them to understand that they were not for the future to presume to give only partial extracts from their official correspondence, or to lay before the Legis lature information connected with their respective de partments which was prepared in such a manner as to effect a political purpose rather than to throw the full light of truth upon a 6ubject of vast importance. He • Should like to know bow it happened that Lord Elgin Pursued a course which, though it had been adopted by the Colonial-office on former occasions, had been strongly condemned by public opinion—that of laying before Par - liament only so much information as chanced to favour hie own political views. Lord JOHN RUSSELL did not think it necessary or Convenient, just at that moment, to enter into a discus sion as to whether the repeal of the navigation laws would or would not be beneficial to Canada, or as to whether it would or would not answer the objects which the Montreal Board of Trade had in view. It would be very much better to reserve all discussion upon those • +questions until some measure with regard to the nevi- Ration laws bad been proposed, when the matter could - be formally and properly canvassed. The only question • that the Noble Lord had notified his intention of mov ing was, that an address should be presented to her Ma • jesty praying that what was omitted from the corre spondence already in the possession of the House, as having passed between the Provincial Secretary of Ca • nada and the Secretary of the Montreal Board of Trade, should be produced. His (Lord John Russell's) objec ' tion to that motion was simply this, that the motion appeared• to convey an incorrect notion of the facts of the case.—(Hear, hear.) Anybody rending it would - suppose that the Earl of Elgin and Kincardine was to blame for not sending the whole of the correspondence that bad taken place ; and that, in fact, he ought to be formally reprimanded for the same, and ordered to • transmit the omitted portions at once. Oa the 31st of May the Earl of Elgin wrote a dispatch to his Noble Friend the Secretary of State for the Colonies, in which he-stated that a certain correspondence had taken place, and that a certain memorial had been drawn up for pre • sentation to both Houses of Parliament, which he sent for the consideration of Earl Grey. That correspond ence consisted, besides the memorial, of a letter from the President of the Montreal Board of Trade, and of the answer returned thereto by the Provincial Secretary of Canada. The answer of the Provincial Secretary re proved the President of the Montreal Board of Trade for . a,particular and very improper expression which he had . used in his original communication. The expression was nothing more nor less than this, that unless the navigation d the St. Lawrence were made free to the United States, - the result would be the dissolution of the ties which at 'resell; connected Canada with the mother country.— (Hear, hear.) After that reply of the Provincial Secre -tart was written, there was another letter from the Pre sident, defending rather than retracting the unbe , .coming expression he had used. The Earl of Elgin and Kincardine wrote on 'the 31st May, and whether ' the reason of his omitting to send this part of the _ !correspondence was that his dispatches were already Made up, and that he did not think the reply of the • President of sufficient importancelto warrant the dis turbing the seal, was anaatter which he could not take , upon him to determine, and which, moreover, was but of very trivial significance. The production of the whole - correspondence was, in his opinion, of very little im • portancel but it would be a matter of very considerable . importance indeed if the present motion, which was vir tually one of censure on Lord Elgin, should be agreed to, the House being all the time in ignorance as to whether censure was fairly to be attributed to him or •Inot.—(Hear, hear.) The President of the Montreal Board of Trade had thought fit to defend an unbecoming expression, and it appeared to him (Lord John Rus sell) that the letter in which he did so was of very little importance one way or .the other.—!,hear, hear.) However, he had not the least objection to its being laid upon the table of that House, and it would, perhaps, • meet the views of the Noble Lord if his Hon. Frie. m l e h i t .( h l av of the Under,Secretary for the Colonies were that evenin g , or on some future evening, to move for the pro d 2 . . t the whole of any further correspondence that mi g h t - taken place on the subject of the navipe c i on laws be wheaudl d a not str o o ffnegr ob jection - tween the parties referred to in the pr.ese-at motion.— • (Hear, hear.) To that resolution be slightest opposition, but he certain ly jection to the present motion, wi:O.ch was not such as ought to be adopted by that Ho`ase. not being at all in conformity with , the facts of t'ae case,—(Hear, hear.) After a brief, 'conversation, the motion was negatived without a dieneion. where some gross mismanagement. The sum now ap plied for would not be adequate to defray the expenses from the 31st of March in the present year to the same day in 1849, for, as ho had already observed, there were official documents on the table of the House, which proved that a sum of not less than 76,0101. had already been incurred, and had yet to be discharged. They seemed to be always running after a debt. Somewhere or another there was a hiatus valde dejlenclus. The Com mittee to which the miscellaneous estimates had been referred had not sifted the matter with sufficient care. They had contented themselves with merely recording it as their opinion that an adequate control was not exercised over the large expenditure on account of the new Palace. The additional sums that would be re quired for the completion of the mere building were esti , mated to amount to 600,000/., which, with the 1,021,000/. already spent, made the total 1,621,0001. But in the latter sum the expense of finishing was not included : there would be the library fittings, the Members' refresh ment room, and the repairing of the chapel of St. Ste phen, which were calculated to amount to 379,0001. more, making the total cost about 2,090,000/. Now, as 1,021,0001. had been spent, there remained a sum of 900,1)00?. to be voted, and he should very much like to know how it was possible that that sum c.,uld be covered by the 30,000/. now to be voted. Lord MORPETH said that 945,000/. had been voted, 50,0004 more had been issued this year in consequence of votes taken on account; so that very nearly 1,000,0001. had been spent 'upon the works. It was true that an additional sum of 10,000/. had been agreed to be paid. It had not been actually issued; but it had been agreed for, and the contractors were making the work on the faith of the vote then submitted to the House. If the Committee, therefore, agreed to the vote, there would remain a sum of 20,0001. for carrying on the works until the Ist of March, 1849. Mr. B. OSBORNE thought it would be advisable to finish off the works at once, by employing a great body of men. Tney might obtain the means by loan, if neces sary. He wished, however, to ask a question with re gard to the Reid and Barry squabble. Was that squab ble still continued? If it were going on, he thought the House might continue voting money for ever, before the Houses of Parliament would be built.—(Hettr, hear.) Lord MORPETH. could not tell whether perfect har mony existed between Dr. Reid and Mr. Barry in their personal relations, but the ventilation of the new and present House of Commons had been entrusted entirely to the control of Dr. Reid. Mr. DRUMMOND thought it unsafe that the Victoria Tower should be carried to so great an height. If they built more than thirty feet a year, they might depend upon it the whole building would very soon be crushed. The House of Commons had imposed impossibilities upon Mr. Barry. Every room was to be fire-proof. To be fire-proof they must be insulate, but every room was to perfectly ventilated also, and to effect that there must be openings and pipes, which could not be done if the rooms were insulate.—(A laugh.) With regard to the question of remuneration, he did not know why they were to ask Mr. Barry to make them a present of a large sum of money, because the alterations had been made on the original plans, for which the House of Commons were themselves responsible. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that no alterations bad been or could be made in the plans, without the consent of the Treasury being obtained. Lord DUNCAN complained of the want of a control ling power over Mr. Barry. Mr. Burry referred all in quiries to the Woods and Forests, and the latter referred to the Treasury. After a few words from Sir D. NORREYS and Lord MORPETIft Mr. URQUHART declared that the cause of all this confusion was to be found in the practice pursued by the House of granting whatever votes were brought forward, without an inquiry into its application. Was it a proper mode of conducting business, to allow a sum of 700,000/. to run up to 2,000,000/.? They should take a lesson from this, and not overlook the moral it conveyed. Mr. MUNTZ wished to know whether any alterations had been made in the plans? Mr. B. OSBORNE explained that the alterations made in the plan had, according to Mr. Barry, been made upon the authority and by the directions of the House of Commons. He wished to know why the apartments for the officers of the House were not completed before the other parts of the building, as those gentlemen, par ticularly the Speaker and their worthy Clerk, Mr. Ley, were located very uncomfortably elsewhere, at a very great expense to the country. Mr. O'CONNOR said that as it was a question of taxation the matter ought to be referred to a Select Committee. Mr. HUME thought that there had been Select Com mittees enough upon the subject. He bad always pro tested against the adoption of Mr. Barry's plans, and he now complained of the additional expense caused by the alterations. Mr. Barry had altered his original plans without any authority whatever, and by the mode of payment adopted, the expense of their alterations doubled the remuneration paid to the architect. He should like to see some certain statement with regard to the ventilation, and also with respect to the - decorations to be used in the House of Commons. ••' ‘Lord.MORPETH, in reply, 'bore testimony to the labour's' of the Commission, who were most unremitting in their attentlens to this matter. All the decorations and appendages of the House were referred to the judg ment of the Commission; but it was distinctly under stood that the room Appropriated to the deliberations of the Members was to be very different in its general cha racter from the new House of Lords.—(Hear, her.) The Commission attributed no blame to the architect for the course which he bad pursued, believing that all the alterations would conduce to the convenience of the House; but no deviations were to be made in future until the proposal to make them had been regularly reported and sanctioned. Sir D. NORREYS observed that Dr. Reid had com plained, and with some justice, that he had not been en trusted with sufficient powers— the ventilation of the passages, which formed so important a part of the whole, having been taken out of his hands. Lord MORPETH said the ventilation of the new House of Commons and the apartments connected with it had been entrusted to Dr. Reid, but that of the re mainder of the building was taken from him, at the wish of the House of Lords, expressed three years ago in an address to the Crown. He thought it infinitely better to leave the matter in future to the three scientific gen tlemen appointed than to refer it to any other authority. After a few words from Mr. URQUHART, Mr. MN ART complained of the want of light in the rooms connected with the new House, especially those of the chairman - and the clerks. In no respect did the ar rangements of the present House appear to have been improved upon. Mr. DRUMMOND believed that there was not in the world a more accomplished architect than Mr. Barry. Nothing could be more admirable than the whole of the details of the building. The vote was then agreed to. On the sum of 4,050/. being proposed to defray the expenses of certain wo rks and buildings in the Isle of Man, and maintained the M C r. o t o whi that a i t t t o l r U ta M o E t. B ob a j o e k c r te u d o t o o y th an e d vo l t n e , solvenoy had reference, ought to be united. Mr. BANKES said that the public attention in the Isle of Man had been much dire c ted to the subject, and s the footing on which the matter s t o od at present was considered very unsatisfactory. Dr. BOWRING complained that the inhabitants of the Isle of Man, 50,000 in number, were wholly without the means of representation. The Committee divided, when there appeared — For the vote Against Majority in favour of the vote... 50 The vote was then agreed to. The next vote was for 12,71 W. for the Holyhead Road. Mr. SPOONER complained of the yearly expense o' surveying this line of road. Lord MORPETH promised to inquire into the matter to see if the expense could not be reduced. The vote was then agreed to. A vote of 131,000/. was agreed to for defraying the expenses of constructing harbours of refuge. A vote of 23,167/. was then proposed for defraying the expenses of maintaining in repair the several public buildings in the department of the Public Works in Ireland D. BOWRING complained of the want of a proper supervision in the Board of Work s i n I re l an d. Mr. HUME said they would never d any good until they got rid of the office of Lord-Lieutenant. o Mr. GOULBURN said there was the strictest super vision exercised over the expenditure in the Lord-Lieu tenant's department. There was one part of this vote to which he wished to refer. He found that a building was to be erected for a Roman Catholic chapel in the royal military school in Dublin. He thought this would lead to inconvenience and dissension between the Pro testant and Catholic children. Mr. F. MAULE thought no inconvenience could arise. Sir WILLIAM SOMERVILLE said that at present while the Protestants went to church, the Roman Ca tholic children had to go to their worship in a dark room, that was nothing better than a hole. It was absolutely necessary that some accommodation should be provided for them. Mr. SPOONER objected to this vote on principle. He thought it was wrong to provide any accommodation whetever, whether it was dark or not. He had always opposed any support being given to the Roman Catholic religion, and he should continue to do so. He should divide the Committee on this vote. Mr. DPAIMMOND objected to voting money for:any sect wftiatever. Those who objected to grant money to tb..4 Roman Catholics must, on the same ground, object to the Regium Donum. The best iplan was not to grant money to any religion at all. There was abundant ecclesiastical property in Ireland; let them make a just and fair division of it amongst those who were entitled to receive it, and there would be no occasion to call for the payment of more taxes. Mr. REYNOLDS thought this a legitimate item. The state was not Protestant, nor Catholic, nor Presby terian, but a mixture of all. As a Roman Catholic subject of the Crown, he felt a pride in proclaiming that the Roman Catholic people felt they had as strong a claim upon the State as any other religious denomi nation. Committee of latterplace o h f avi u having education a plaoe fo o r f w C o a r t s h h o i l p ic! Mr. MUNTZ would ;support the vote. This was a SUPPLY. youyou allowedw The IT'anse then resolved itself into aCo • apply; Mr. BERNAL in the chair.the and f o P r m r Protestants, s t o a o n o t e s the If The first vote was 30,000 L to complete the sum ne da church to one, and denied it to the other, alessary to defray, up to the 31st of March, 1849, the expenses of the works at the new Houses of Parliament. precedent or special i o a p l po se d grounds thet resto vot e as upon, entirelylikely mr.oltsTilApereby degrade those who were excluded. without ex Sir H. WILLOUGHBY observed upon of the sums which session after the vastness up new channels of wide expenditure, as well as to lead this purpose. The sum voted up to March, 1848, was t and bad feeling. 945,000/. Since then they Mr. OSBORNE supported the vote had incurred expenses as ye = uncovered by any After a few words from several other . Hon.Members, 76,010/., so that nte that House to the ameo”,nt of the Committee divided, when there d out on account the sum total of mrjneys a! ¢ly l a id appeare d-76,0101., of the new Pelee - 3 Against the amendment .. 103 1 021 0101 41 1 ' no less than For it He very much feared 12 Icro was 601110- Majority, ,„, t)1 0000000 eseeese Mr. SPOONER objected to being called upon to vote a sum of 2,1001. for the repairs and maintenance of May nooth College. When the Bill of 1845 was passed it was distinctly understood that the permanent grant of 30,000/. a year from the Consolidated Fund would cover all the expenses of maintaining the college ; and in his view the words of the Act bore out no other construe tion. He would move that the item 2,6851. for repairs of Maynooth be struck off the votes. Mr. BANKES seconded the motion. Mr. DUNCAN considered that there was a distinct understanding that the 30,0001. granted to Maynooth in the year 1845 should be the last application to Parlia ment for money for such purposes. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER —There was always a distinction drawn between grants for educa tional purposes and grants for repairs. • Mr. BRIGHT voted against the Maynooth Bill in 1845; on the same principle he would vote against this Mr. V. SMITH said the Hon and Gallant Member for Middlesex was indebted for ell the facts he had ob tained to the report of the Select Committee. Ile ad mitted it was objectionable to pay for extra salaries. The Committee over which he had the honour to pre side had decided that point. If Sir Charles Trevelyan had given his whole attention and time to these Irish af fairs, why he then must have neglected his ordinary avo cations, which some one else must have performed for him, a very sufficient reason why increased remuneration should not be awarded to him. While on this subject he might, perhaps, observe that a very great discre pancy existed in the salaries paid to gentlemen in public offices, which was caused by the different nature of those offices; and as all the situations recently created by the House of Commons had had very moderate salaries at tached to them, he thought it most advisable that an attempt should be made to distribute equitably all the salaries paid to public officers. Mr. GOULBURN thought the House indebted to the Hon. Member for Middlesex for having brought this sub ject under their attention. The Hon. Gentleman had given them an opportunity which the report of the Com mittee did not give them, of evincing their sentiments as to the zeal and attention with which Sir C. Trevelyan had performed the duties entrusted to his care. With respect to the vote now under discussion, he was deeply impressed with the value of the services rendered by Sir Charles Trevelyan, and he was sure that the House would not be unwilling equally to recognise the claims those services gave to that gentleman. Her Ma - jesty had been pleased to grant an honourable distinction to Sir Charles Trevelyan ; but it was equally the right and the duty of the House of Commons, as well as of the Crown and Government, to bestow a reward upon a faithful public servant. Honourable Gentlemen should not forget the mode in which the government of the country was carried on ; it was essentially a parliament government, the business of which was carried on within thorn walls ; and it therefore became their duty to re. gard the nature and character of the services rendered to all public officers. From his experience of the Treasury he could state that he found the services of the junior lords most efficient and valuable. Dr. BOWRING said he did not think that justice could be done to the suggestions of the Select Committee unless some reference were made to the evidence on which those suggestions were founded. Five members of the Committee were in favour of a reduction of the number of these officials to two, and six against ; and the motion for a reduction to three was carried by a ma jority of seven to four.—(Hear.) Colonel DUNNE expressed his gratitude to his Hon. and Gallant Friend for having brought the case of Sir Charles Trevelyan before the Committee. He could not concur in any vote complimentary to Sir Charles Trevelyan ; and he trusted that if the Government should find it necessary to extend more relief to Ireland, they would take care to send Sir Charles Trevelyan to earn honours elsewhere. Mr. MONSELL said that he felt as strongly as any man the great ability of Sir Charles Trevelyan, but he felt that that gentleman's policy had the effect of thwart ing the recommendations of men, not more anxious and zealous, but better acquainted with Ireland than he was —such as the late Lord Besborough, and Captain Ler com, and others. He thought that it was a most un fortunate circumstance to have sent Sir Charles Treve lyan to Ireland, and he believed that the present unfor tunate state of Ireland, in which the people would be much less able than they otherwise would have been to meet the approaching distress, was rendered worse by the measures which had been pursued. He could not give his support to this vote. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL regretted,lif the policy of the Government and of Sir Charles Trevelyan were to be discussed, that the question had not been taken up at an earlier period of the session. He could not forget that the House had originally concurred in the unfortunate course that had been pursued, and that the entire blame was not therefore to be thrown upon the Government or Sir Charles Trevelyan. He bore testimony to the con stant attention which Sir Charles Trevelyan had devoted to Irish business, and he thought that it would be now rather an insidious course torefuse the additional year's salary . that was proposed to Isgivea to that officer. At the same time he could not approve of the line of policy that had been pursued. Lord J. RUSSELL said that however Sir C. Tre velyan might have employed his intelligence, the Minis ters of the Crown were responsible for his acts.—(Hear, hear.) The Public Works Act was adopted after several meetings of the Cabinet with Lord Besborough, and whatever errors might have been committed, the Go vernment were to blame for them. Sir C. Trevelyan stated in his evidence that he worked three hours before breakfast ; that he then went to the. Treasury, where he worked all day ; and that the pressure upon him was such, that he wondered that he had been able to get through it alive. If the Government had done wrong in including the vote in the civil contingencies, he hoped that their error would not be visited upon one of the most intelligent and laborious officers that ho had ever known. Mr. LABOUCHERE bore testimony to the zeal and public spirit evinced by Sir C. Trevelyan. Mr. B. OSBORNE said he must really recall the at tention of the House to the question before it, with which he would not consent to mix up the policy of the Government in Ireland.—(Bear, hear.) The question was, whether a certain sum of money should have been given to this officer, from any fund whatever, without the consent of Parliament?—(hear, hear.) He thought that the whole transaction was illegal. Whether that were the proper time for him to mark his sense of the impropriety, he should leave the House to determine. Mr. BRIGHT hoped his Hon. Friend would postpone the proposal of any expression of opinion until the matter should come before the House in a different shape. The vote was then agreed to. 12,700/. was granted to complete the payment of the salaries and expenses of her INlajesty'elSecretary of State for the Home Department. On a vote of 72,5001. being proposed to complete the s um necessary to pay the salaries and expenses of . the office of her Majesty's Secretary of St ate for Foreign item. Mr. GOULBURN—The intention of the Government was always that the repairs for the college should be romthe subject of an annual vote. This p lainl y appeared f the language of the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for "Famworth. It was their intention that the Board of Works should take care of the repairs of the building, in order that they might be conducted with the greatest economy. He would support the grant. After a few words from Mr. M. J. O'Coatarew. against the motion, and from Mr. LAW in its favour, Mr. GLADSTONE said that the express words of the Act appointed the Commissioners to see that the works were properly repaired from " time to time." He con sidered that the sum they were called upon to allow was very large. It was true that it was for t w o r ep a i r s years,s. but it was still at the rate of 1,300/. a-year fepair It was perfectly clear that the 30,0001. was not merely for the purpose of new buildings, but in order to cover the cost of repairing those which wore old and dilapidated was , and putting them in to thorough repair. It necessary, before the House came: to this vote, that they should know the nature and character of these re pairs. He was afraid that if these ordinary repairs were to be the subject of an annual vote, the House were mis taken in supposing they had been deprived of the late Maynooth debate, for it would return iu a form. If f that should be the new case, lie would suggest whether would not be desirable to vote a certain sum, which should be in the nature of a fabric fund, and then throw upon the trustees the responsibility of repairing thethere col lege from time to time out of the fabric fund. If was not some distinct explanation as to the precise ob jects to which this money was applicable, it might be as well to postpone the vote. Mr. HUME was quite sure that the vote of a large sum was to prevent the annual discussion of this ques tion. • He felt disposed to consider this grant of 30,000/. as the final grant, and that the House ought not to vote any more. He wished the whole expense to be kept within 30,0001. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he held in his hand an estimate for the year 1846-7, being the next year to that in which the 30,0001. was voted, which showed that the 30,0001. had not been suf ficient. He would write for a detail of the present esti mate, and if it turned out that any portion of the sum ought to be charged on the 30,000/. it should be so charged. Mr. LAW asked whether it would be shown that 30,000/. had been exhausted; or, how much had been exhausted? Mr. MUNTZ thought the better plan would be to leave this unpaid till next year's grant. This grant of 30,0001, was made on the express understanding that it wa to put an end to all heart-burnings, and cover all expenses. He should certainly vote against any further grant. Mr. HENLEY said that the House had not sufficient information before them to vote this money. They. ought to be told whether the 30,000/. had been expended or not. If it had been voted for the purpose of putting the college into repair, he did not see what right there was to come again upon the country. Unless they had further information, he should vote against the grant. Mr. SHIEL observed that when it was proposed to lay out 5,0001. on the repairs of Dublin Castle, no spe cification of particulars was required, and yet, when a sum was proposed for Maynooth, it was said, show us a reason why you demand a sum of 2,000. The questions of amount and of principle were quite distinct. The question of principle had been disposed of by fixing the charge on the Consolidated Fund. There must have been an appointment of the money; that money appor tioned to extension had not been exhausted, the money for repairs bad been exhausted. Could any one doubt that repairs were required? Was it wise to refuse this sum of money to be applied to Maynooth when you took into consideration that 30,000/. only was given to Roman Catholics, whilst 36,0001. a year was given to the Pres byterians? The Committee divided, when there appeared— For the vote • Against it Majority in favour of the vote —.7l The next vote was 8,100/. for the expenses of King ston Harbour. On the vote of 30,0001. for the salaries and expenses of the two Houses of Parliament, and allowances to re • tired officers. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was right he should state that the Speaker had had under his consideration a great number of suggestions made by the Committee over which his Right Hon, Friend had presided, and a scheme for the better regu lation of salaries was nearly ready. - In reply to a question from Mr. HUME, Mr. V. sum' observed that the emoluments of the officers of the House of Lords who were paid out of fees had been made the matter of investigation by a Com mittee of Peers who were at present sitting. It was probable that they would recommend that a different system should be adopted for the future, and if so the vote on their account would next year be taken on an amended estimate. With respect to the officers of the Commons, he was of opinion that the whole of the fees which they received ought to bo paid into the Ex chequer. Mr. BRIGHT remarked that the Chairman of Com• mittees of the House of Lords received a salary of 2,500/. a year, while the Chairman of the Lower House whose duties were much more onerous, only received 1,5001, Both were paid from the Treasury, and not by fees. Mr. V. SMITH thought that the Committees of that House ought to bo more cautious in calling wit nesses. It often happened that they called witnesses to ttphi speak serrATmsss caohfar rune. sanction. very nscr o oaonntruecaisleonxoecßbntsnteor. nosyrri seoefßarcftoNe:ievh,insignificant squandered. fac t s , and ßy much Captain money w y n was ns Committee money was thus expended this session to of wdeeilaywc9sTrevelyan precedenttt c onversation e4ih7 eaot Treasury e. the ne ta: oos v un o r t tyeo defray was pse department. ecu3 r e t o e t u d h t a. t t o . salaries dur ing the last year a sum of y t h 2 e , w so aa O su L t had ahno reivt been eseo of fe tahned awarded to Trea sury, without t hou permitted coming to pass down u n t n o o ti u that ed T .House her e to o obtainuld be o o no more objectionable practice than that of giving boons to public officers without at least first consulting that House as to the propriety of such a proceeding. He should wish to know whether it was the intention of the Government to carry out the recommendation of the Committee to whom the miscellaneous estimates were referred, by diminishing the number of the Lords of the Treasury The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER 'ob served, with respect to the latter inquiry, that the Go vernment did intend to carry out that suggestion. The Noble Lord the Member for Caine (Lord Shelburne) had just sent in his resignation as one of the Lords of the Treasury, and it was not in the contemplation of the Government to fill the vacancy. With regard to the case of Sir Charles Trevelyan, all he could say was, that there was no one who was acquainted with that gentle man who was not aware that the duties of that gentle• man were most onerous and distressing, and that he had discharged them in the most exemplary manner. It would have been impossible that the relief could have been arranged on an adequate scale if it had not been for the exertions of Sir C. Trevelyan. As to the money granted to him, it appeared in the civil contingencies. Mr. DISRAELI admitted the value of Sir C. Treve. he co uld not but cltyooawnnfoeirsrdrsseedrovuuicpt Under -Secretary after the order of the Bath had been ec a r n e think that a pecuniary reward was in bad taste. When the vote came under the distinct consideration of the utanrpyreocfedsetnatteed, mark of honour House he should oppose it. Mr. OSBORNE said it trafortunately happened that the money had been already paid. The Right Honour able Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer bad not yet informed the House from what fund the money to pay this reward was derived, nor why he had not asked the House for a distinct vote for the pur pose. The practice of the Government thus dispensing the public money, without the knowledge or sanction of Parliament, was most objectionable; and it involved a serious principle, to which he was greatly surprised to see the present Government commit themselves. Mr. SPOONER said he should oppose this vote on the ground that the Government had no right to reward any public servant, however important its services, without first obtaining the sanction of the House of Commons t v o io t e h s e t gr e nt. Another principle was involv ed in this question. Mr. Trevelyan received 2,5001. for his ser vices have been duringlritshhe distress;lr i greatlysho distress; ver pahiids i of his hien ordinary ahrayd th services p s o e w r e v tr nit then during of devoting so much time to the public business. Mr. BRIGHT asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer to state from what fund the money was paid. Was it out of the eight millions voted for the relief of the Irish distress ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER repeated that the money had been paid from the civil contingen cies upon which the account appeared. Mr. HUME said a great irregularity had been per mitted,because this money had not been made the subject of a special application to the House. Had it come from the House, the amount would have possessed double the value in the estimation of Sir C. Trevelyan, besides being more honourable to the Minister. Mr. GLADSTONE entirely concurred that it was the duty of the Government to have submitted this vote to b ea ut Si i r t the House in the first instance. There was no general rule connected with the public service, in which it was more necessary to guard against exceptions than the one that the salaries received by public officers, particularly in high office, should be in consideration of all the time. id in no th t p c p iv e i a l r c b o y nt n in a g m e e n , ci To take this amount from the civil contingencies was most unfortunate, because the object of that fund was under the general item of 4,045/. for e- x a ra , totally different.payleseindtesd, viCsethat in this 4,0451._ there was included an item of `2,500/. araTviircneecvsl.ealdHS'could any gentleman have formed an, id ea to one individual? Lord J. RUSSELL defended the grant to Sid Tro. Velyttu, on the ground of his oluinent services, . . Aff lirs, Mr. DISRAELI said he intended to make some re marks on certain transactions which had occurred, and were occurring, in the administration of this department; but he felt ho could not do S) at one o'clock.—(Hear.) Perhaps the Noble Lord would let t he vote pass over to some other day, and allow the Chairman to report pro gress at once. Lord J. RUSSELL suggested that the Hon. Gentle man might take the debate on any other vote. Ile might as well take that opportunity of stating that he would take the Diplomatic Relations with Rome Bill on Thurs day next, and the Committee of supp l y nesday, at twelve o'clock. again on Wed- Lord GEORGE BENTINCIC wished to know whe ther the Sugar Duties Bill would come on on Friday? Lord JOHN RUSSELL cou ld not say positively. Ho preferred naming Monday next. Mr. DISH AELI said that the better course for dis posing of the matter under consideration would be, that the Chairman should report progress and ask tho vote leave to sit again On Wednesday , w hen they wou ld take on the Foreign-office. That course was finally agreed to. The House resumed. The CHAIRMAN reported the resolution, and ob tained leave to sit again on Wednesday, at twelve o'clock, The Spirit Dealers Bill and the British Spirits Ware amend- housing Bill were both committed pro firma) ments added, and the Bills ordered to bo reprinted. Sir W. SOMERVILLE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to facilitate the transfe r of landed property in Ireland. The Bill was then read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Thursday. NOTICE OF MOTION. Mr. HBRRIES stated that be would on Tuesday (this day) call the attention of the house to the reports from the Committees of this Rouse and the House of Lords, on Commercial Distress, and to move that this House will, early in the next session, take the same into ,s serious consideration. The house adjourned at Two o'clock. COURT CIRCULAR. OSBORNE, MONDAY. The unfavourable state of the weather prevented her Majesty and the Prince and their illustrious visitors from taking their early walk this morning; but the rain having ceased soon after ten o'clock, the queen and his Royal Highness promenaded as usual, and the younger branches of the Alia Family rode and walked in the grounds. The Queen and Prince, and their Serene Highnesses the Prince and Princess of Hohenlohe Langenburg, and the Princess Elias, and the royal household, attended Divine service, yesterday morning, at Whippingham Church. The sermon was preached by the Rev. J. Protheroe. Her Royal Hi , . De ss the ghnDuchess of Kent (attended by Lady Anna Maria avrson, an Sir George Couper), attended D i v i ne service at East Cowes Church. The royal dinner party yesterday included her Royal Highness the Duchess of Rent, their Serene Highnesses Prince and. Princess Tiohenlohe, Prince Victor, mad Princess Eli za , Lady Anna Maria Dawson, Viscount Morpeth, and Sir George Couper. Lord Morpeth left Osborne for London this morning. his Royal llighness the Duke of Cambridge left town yesterday morning on a visit to her Royal High ness the Duchess of Gloucester, at her residence in Richmond Park. . A Cabinet Council WaS held. yesterday afternoon, at the Foreign-office. The Ministers present were—Lord John Russell, the Lord Chancellor, the Marquis of Lansdowne, the Earl of Minto, Sir George Grey, Viscount Palmerston, Earl Grey, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Earl of Auckland, the Right lion. H. Labouchere, Lord Campbell, the Marquis of Clanricarde, and Viscount Morpeth. The Council sat two hours and a half. A deputation, including Mr. Hodges, M.P. for Kent, Mr. Pomfret, and Major Curteis, had an interview with Lord John Ru ssell yesterday, at his official residence in D own ing,-street. The Marquis of Lansdowne returned to town yester day, from Nuneham Park. Viscount Islorpeth arrived in town yesterday morning, from her Majesty's marine residence, Osborne, Isle of Wight. The Chancellor of the Exchequer returned to town yesterday, from the Latimers. LIEUTENANT MUNRO.—Upon inquiries we find 1 that there is no truth in the paragraph contained in a Sunday contempoyary, that Mr. Munro would be liberated from Newgate .to-day. Mr. Munro was tried on the.lBth of August last year, and cannot, of course, be discharged from prisoniuntil the 18ih inst. FoWail *gszif.KssET."A vessel has' arrived from . Cienfuegos dal C Ulla:Val .. Z 5.5. pulicjonk,and 44 tierces of molasses on board, comprising an entire cargo of tb9 art i c l e , t h e p r9 duce of the place, EVENING, A ['GUST 15. [,148, DISTRIBUTION BETTER THAN gentlemen thus employed to explain the import of legal papers to those whose signature is obtained; and it seems violently improbable that such a transaction as the cut ting off the entail of the great estates of the house of Buckingham and Chandos should have been accom plished iu a moment of passionate excitement. But waiving all disputes as to matters of fact, we beg leave, on the part of what we venture to designate as the soberer and more dignified portion of British so ciety—we beg leave, we say, to protest against dragging forward, in such a newspaper as the Times, the cir cumstances of a private transaction between father and son, and that, too, in the very moment when the worldly ruin of both is most conspicuous. We think it is not decent—it is not fair. It is evidently intended to wound in the most painful :manner the mind of the father, and wo are unwilling to believe that such an attack can be anything but most painful to his son. We cannot close these remarks—which we aro at once reluctant to make, and unwilling to withhold—without the frankest and fullest admission of the blame which, in our judgment, attaches to those who, by imprudence and extravagance, bring upon a noble house the ruin which has fallen upon that of Buckingham. We are even of opinion that the law should visit with much more personal severity than it does those who, in thoughtlessness or cupidity, make pecuniary promises, which, when the time of payment comes, they are unable to fulfil. We regard this as a grave offence, but it is one not confined to members of the aristocracy. The organ of the mercantile classes should remember that if all who have been led by ex travagance of mind into desperate courses ending in in solvency were punished to the uttermost, the avenging messenger would have as much to do on the east of Temple-bar as on the west. We would say to the mer cantile men whose favourite journal is so harsh upon the pecuniary misfortunes of a noble house, " Let him who is without sin amongst you cast the first stone." just been committed to Clonmel gaol by Charles Hants Esq., R.M., Tipperary, having been arres t e d a t B ans ha. with letters in his possession for Doheny and others of the conspirators." ARRIVAL OF ..MR. J. LALOR. The train which arrived at the King's-bridge Station at three o'clock yesterday, brought up Mr. James F. Lalor, who had been arrested some days ago, and con fined in Nenagh gaol, under the escort of Head-Coa stable Hayes. The prisoner was accompanied from the terminus to Newgate by a party of mounted police. lie was brought up under a warrant of removal, it having been notified to the Crown on the part of Mr. Martin, one of the State prisoners, that he would be required as a witness on his behalf. THE STATE PRISONERS—MEMORIAL TO THE QUEEN. The Roman Catholic clergy of the diocese of Tuam, to the number of 114, have signed a memorial to her Majesty with reference to the late insurgent proceedings, The fellowing is an extract:— " Wo have witnessed with pain the proceedings of a few inexperienced young men, for some months past. We disagreed with them on principle. We denounced them as the enemies of order, religion, and country. Yet we now feel commiseration:for their folly as intensely as we felt indignant when we beheld them carried away by the impetuosity of their ardent, but erroneous aspira tions for liberty. Wo trust it is unnecessary for us to assure your Majesty that in the trying period of the last few years of unexampled distress and destitution, when death stared us in every shape—starvation, hunger, and its concomitant, typhus fever; yot we braved all, and never ceased to exhort our flocks to r e si gna ti o n to th e Divine will and to strict obedience to the laws of the laud. We then confidently hope that'your most Gracious Majesty will be pleased to take into your merciful con sideration the unfortunate situation of Mr. Smith O'Brien and the other unreflecting persons who have so foolishly embarked in the late lamentable outbreak, thereby proving to the world their utter insanity. " The prerogative of mercy is the brightest diadem in your Majesty's glorious crown. We, the loyal and faithful Roman Catholic clergy of Tuam, appeal to that noble attribute on behalf of the deluded William Smith O'Brien and his deluded, misguided associates, and beg to assure your Majesty that the exercise of mercy on this occasion towards these unfortunate culprits will se cure to your Majesty and throne more of pure and true loyalty than the shedding of the blood of thousands. " Rest assured the heart of Ireland is sound and true towards your Gracious Majesty—hence we implore, we entreat, nay, we most humbly beg—' no blood,' and as ministers of religion, whose sacred duty it is to inculcate peace and good-will amongst men, we still further beg to assure your Majesty that the concession of the prayer of this our petition shall be an additional stimulant to us to uphold the laws, and to secure, even at the sacrifice of our lives, the stability of that throne which is so happily occupied by your most Gracious Majesty, and your me morialists shall ever pray," &c. THE INSURGENTS AT BALLINGARRY. The Tipperary Free Press contains the following im portant paragraph:— " It will be remembered that Mullinahone and neigh bourhood seemed to bo a sort of head-quarters for the insurrectionary chiefs, and consequently attracted thither a number of foolish and hot-headed young men, almost as much from curiosity as any other motive. The re spected pastor of that parish, the Rev. D. Corcoran, utterly regardless of any consequence but the peril im pending over his flock, fearlessly admonished them ; and, struck by the force and truth of his admonitions, they told him that they would return to their homes the next l morning, and abandon the Confederate cause altogether; and the deep impression made upon them by their excel knt pastor, and the confidence they had in his better judgment, made them keep their promise. However, some of them were recognized and reported as being of Smith O'Brien's body-guard for one night, and warrants were issued for their apprehension accordingly. Here again the good pastor interfered, and besought the Go vernment to spare those young men who had returned to their allegiance and their homes at his desire ; and we understand that his Excellency Lord Clarendon, in the most gracieus manner, has acceded to the request of the Rev. Mr. Corcoran, P.P., the only condition required in their pardon being the immediate surrender of any arms in their possession." The same journal has the following:— "On Thursday the governor of the county goal re ceived a communication from head-quarters, granting to the near relatives and friends of the gentlemen lately arrested under the suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act permission to visit them in prison. " On Wednesday, Sub-inspector Fosbery, with a party of police, visited various houses in this neighbourhood, from. the proprietors of which licenses had been lately taken, and brought away with them all the arms they could discover." AGRARIAN OUTRAGE.—The Limerick papers contain numerous accounts of agrarian outrages. The Limerick Chronicle says:— "Countless outrages and depredations were committed in every part of this county, from which the police were called off immediately after the attack and robbery of the mail coaches at Abbeyfeale. Every village, every hamleV was,robbed of fire-arms, money, provision, and even gairdenproduce with impunity, and the miscreants feared nothing in the absence of the police from their usual stations. For three days the depredators enjoyed a criminal jubilee, and no incident could better establish the great value and general utility of the police force than the above fact." Tut: POTA TO BLIGHT.—The unfavourable reports still increase, and the people are looking with great anxiety to the condition of the country during the next twelve months. It is providential, however, that the weather continues fine, and there is now a very fair prospect for the grain crops. In Dublin county, and generally on the coast districts , the potato blight is very limited. DIVISION. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. And drove the golden knife Into the palpitating seat of life. CIIATTERTON. Sin, —ln my last I endeavoured to show that some re formed Bank of England ought to furnish banks of dis count with notes, especially one-pound and half-pound notes: the moneyed and unskilful, as depositors, to supply the skilful money less with cash, the most useful of all implements; the district bank, by means of its provin cial knowledge—to hold the stakes. If it depended on themselves, some landlords in Parliament would vote without remorse " that the lending land do cease also," and every tenant do pay one half-year's rent at the least on putting his plough into the ground; an hypothesis of limited injustice not near so great as expecting the out', ier to live on air and water till Saturday night, or till the master gets paid by his employer. Perhaps the two authorities presenting the clearest ideas on the cur rency matters are those of Sir R. Peel, the first, and Mr. Taylor, both of whom had workmen to pay, which con stituted them bankers. What must Sir Robert's feel ings have been when his own fattier told him in the House of Commons—" You have doubled your fortune and ruined your country: your measure is at once cruel and unnecessary I" Never was delusion equal to this, about exit of gold, and standards, and foreign exchanges. Mr. Loyd said that "formerly the obligation ib discount all commercial bills arising out of legitimate transactions was considered the principle of regulating currency." Whitmore, Go vernor, and Pearce, Deputy-Governor, deposed in 1810, "notes are never in excess if on bills with real purchaser and seller; the acceptor would not pay interest unless the money was wanted," (for business and for return). Of course there were no panics, because no governors and directors verging on bankruptcy to connive at export of gold, with the gross non-sequitur of refusing discounts except to bills they approve. No one then cared or even knew what the standard was: "the real trade in bullion" was and "is one of the slightest businesses:" if you had no loan-firms you would have no exchange-merchants loading you with 150 millions of bad debts, estimated by Lord Palmerston. Formerly who ever dared transport gold in modern fashion, himself ran a risk of transporta tion. Sir R. Peel complained of " the Bank maintaining an arbitrary preference for such bills." Compare this with the dicta of Loyd, Whitmore, and Pearce, as given above, and you come to a bitter, poisonous tap-root— " A various complicated ill Whose every symptom is enough to kill." I entreat your readers' attention to the effects of a stingy, faithless currency on all mortgages and debts, in cluding the debt, so called, national: nec mews hie sermo. Supposing a currency, define it as 3ou will, of 20,000,000; 1,000,000 added raises prices of everything five per cent. and 3,000,000 added raises everything fifteen per cent. Mr. Norman was free to say that much to the Committee of 1832. Also, Edinburgh Re view, December, 1818, established as a postulate that "if double the usual supply of commodities were brought to market in a country with a limited currency, their money prices would be reduced to half; and if only half the supply were brought, their prices would be doubled; and this whether the cost of production were increased or diminished. Suppose money limited and valuable pro duce of every kind much multiplied, the exchange which this limited amount of money would have to per form would be proportionably greater, and of course a proportionably smaller sum would be devoted to each transaction, or, which is the same thing, prices would IRELAND. fall." From this and Mr. Norman's illustration it follows, that if 23,000,000 of actual practical national cash or market -money of use and wont are urgently required by the general business of t he countr y , and if we have only twenty millions, the price of every kind of labour is 15 per cent. too low , and the labourer defrauded of hire, of keep just so much , to sa y nothin g of this beep being sold him at tariff prices. But if, which is more i than pro bable, the currency is onl y one-third of what t ought to be, might be, must be, shall be, in amount and acticiq, then the damages, pressure, and real cost of mortgages and debt are treble what they ought to be, the gains of mortgagee being of course tripled, by the enhanced purchase-power or money's worth of .our curreut cash, each and every pound of it. And all this is disbelieved while fictions are believed, simply because truth is strange, stranger than fiction; yet the results are worse than any possible statement, because the quantities are all multiplied into one vast co• efficient, the loss of hope, which is life. Dolendi modus, tirnen& non item. The moneyed interest have seats in Parliament to watch the case against them; for example, Mr. H. Drummond. Whether this gentleman has a little humbug in his corn positum or not, whether ho is by any chance over rated, or what phase of doctrine soever ho happens to maintain just now, skills not to say. In Parliament he sits as Dr. All-bury, keeping gold safe for loan, ex change, London circulation, corn speculation, Polk, Mexican war, and no banks of discount. Better had this gold been always buried, say Peruvians, still mourn ing their Inca's and hiding their mines. Aurum irrepertum et sic melius situm Cum terra celat spernero fortior Quern cogere hurnanos in usus Omne sacrum rapiente doxtr& Better even that gold should never have served as in Peru, without coinage, a tacit reference and security, a measure or standard of value in all exchanges and tran sactions aed industry, though in such a nation, Mr. Prescott shows poverty and grime were unknown. Better so than even risorgiinento d'ltalia, vaunted tramentane reformation and revival of literature, which an increased circulation, demanding labour, stopping ozwriers' mouths, with instant compromise of public and private debts, poured on mediwval barbarism ! From conquests of Pizarro to Coun cil of Trent scarcely a doz , n years, and yet, what a change! Easy it is to underrate the advantages of circulation; impossible to overstate the evils of obstruc tiveness and morbid congestion. Money is " drawn up from labour market into interest market;" instead of market money we have money market, not bread-and cheese market. The tendency of our customs is into a more than Malthusian dilemma, contraction at geome• trieal, hoarding at arithmetical progression—in a word, Hudsonisen, inflammation of mortgages by scat city of money, with Dr. All-burp's assiduous depletion, trans fers whole eounties, as Surrey, to mortgagee bankers; but these broad acres add nothing to security of banks when carefully secured from liabilities which wo, never know. All we know is, that one bank is as good as another, provided they keep to rules and reiulations, for the Bank of England is there to " protect" the London circulation. Ages of luxury and excitement have debi litated the nobles; the currency which carried us through Napoleon's wars put them in their places for a moment, by lightening their debts, effecting sales of corn with monopoly of employments; but not content with this, they formed ambitious schemes, especially in Ireland, took every title they could invent, and invented every title they could think of. They ran in debt, their debts are trebled in cost and damages and pressure they are now, as Bishop Wilberforce told the House of Lords and apologized, mere mortgagers, land-letters, farm building owners, and, by way of tenure, equity of re demption. Como bill-discounters—come insurance brokers, annuity-buyers, money-scriveners—the serf pays all, the subject race, the frieze coated Oderint dues met neat !—Dirt. I have done, H. C. ARGENT. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. TATTERSALL'S.—YESTERDAY. EBOR HANDICAP. 4 to 1 agst Mr. S. L. Fox's Meaux 6 to 1 agst Captain Harcourt's Ellerdale 15 to 1 agst Mr. Jaques's Sir Martin—taken to 1001, ST. I.EGER. 5 to 2 agst Mr. Bowes's Springy Jack—take 3 to 1 4 to 1 agst Duke of Bedford's Justice to Ireland— take 9 to 2 9 to 2 agst Mr. B. Green's Flatcatcher—taken 6 to 1 agst Lord Clifden's Surplice—take 13 to 2 DERBY. 9 to 1 agst Lord Eglinton's Flying Dutchman 20 to 1 agst Mr. A. Nichols Nunnykirk o I,OOO5OOThNe WOLVERHAMPTON attendance t l lLeo O nvrda ti o g Ega un s sin t ttc die M puwau r nk . lids ß euva o , Bo wes's e oyi s s ßt ' tN s aha tni E nc: a m dn, E a sa colt tcho el t 500 to 15 agst Mr. Macdonnell's Saucy Dick — t ake n , pr o i u ce t s o n f o F m l i am beau's dam—taken n The Trial Stakes of 5 sovs. each,Ca(En6Sd.s-suobMsa.idNeDdt.Y.Once e. sv) 7 ,pe s rro t s n,3l l g6 o eis l n: b dsl, M sA me i s6, p o 7itl n soit g b e s a 4 l lb d3 a — r g y lN 'r t s3 : B The following also ran :—Lahore, 3 yrs, 7st alb—Cap sicum, 23 to 1 agst Capsicum. Won by a head, after a fine race. The Produce Stakes of 10 sovs. each, and 20 added. Once round. (19 Subs. Mr. Minor's Shropshire Witch, Bst ... (11. Darling) 1 Mr. Whitworth's br f Ellen Loraine, Bst ... 2 3t3job. yrs,a( agst s t : t• Ribaldry, Butler) 1 The following also started: —Wolverhampton, Sat 61b —Novel, Bst—The Empress of Russia, Bst. Betting-6 to 4 agst Ellen Loraine, 2to 1 agst Shrop shire Witch. Won cleverly by a neck. The Wolverhampton Stakes of 25 sovs. each, 15 ft, and 5 only if declared, with 100 added; the second to save his stake. Twice round and a distance. (44 Subs., 27 of whom decl ared.) Mr. Murphy's Dough, 3 yrs, sst 71b, carried sst 91b 1 Mr, Moiklam's Inheritress, aged, 9st 2lb ... 2 Colonel An son's Lazarillo, 4 yrs, Est 51b ... $ The following also started, but were not placed : —Lord Warwick's Yardley, aged, 7st 91b--Mr. Riley na Little Mary, 6 yrs, 6st 71b—Mr. I. Day na Counterfeit, aged, 6st. 4 to I agst Yardl e y , b to Betting-5 to 4 agst Doug h . I agst Inheritress, 6to 1 agst .Laaarillo. Dough made all the running, and won easily by a length. EGIIABLI RACES. ECillAlti, MONDAY NIGUT.—Tho entries for the Plates, &c., closed this evening, as under: — TUESDAY. The Railway Plate, added to a Sweepstakes a of 5 sovs. eac h ; for all ages. Three quarts of mile. Mr. Thompson's eh by Plenipotentiary, to be sold for £ 50 50 Mr. Pearl's Ennui, 5 yrs ••• ••• ••• Duke of Richm ond's Nectar, 3 yrs • . .•• Mr. C. J. Sad ler's Moodkee, 4 yrs 3 , 04 _ Mr. Drinkald's Man of my Heart, 5 yrs Mr. Gibbs's The Countess, aged Mr. S. Scott's Daughter of the Star , 3 yrs u zs u o The Egham Stakes of 5 sovs. eacb, and 30 added. Heats, ono mile. Duke of Richmond's Nectar, 3 yrs, to be sold for £5O Sir G. Heathcote's Astracan, 4 yrs Mr. J. C. Sadler's Moodkee, 4 yrs ... Mr. Driukald's Man of my Heart, 5 yrs 50 Mr. Drewitt's Blind Hookey, aged • ••• 50 Sir S. Spry's Sir Hercules mares, 6 yrs ••• Mr. Hussey's Embrace , 4 yrs 5O 100 Mr. Osbaldestone's Buckstone 3 ... 50 DUBLIN, MONDAY MORNING. There is nothing new from the South by the Great Southern and Western Railway this morning. The following detailed account of the arrest of Messrs. Meagher, Leyne, and O'Donoghoe, is given by the Freeman's Journal :-- " THURLES, SUNDAY ]HORNING.—On this morning, about one o'clock, Messrs. T. F. Meagher, P. O'Do noghoe, and M. IL Leyne, were walking along the high road, between Clonoulty and Holycross, when they were met by constable Madden and a large party of police, who were patrolling near the police barrack at Rath cannon, to which station the party had only returned within the last two days. Madden accosted them, say ing, ' Fine night, gentlemen,' to which Meagher re plied, ' Good night, boys.' A few more ordinary words passed, and both parties separated, the police going in 1 the direction of Rathcannon, and the others continuing on their route towards ilolycross. They had not, how ever, proceeded more than about three hundred yards when they were overtaken by six of the same police party, who were armed with their carbines, and called upon them to halt. Mr. Meagher demanded the reason, upon which Sergeant Madden replied that he had strict orders to act as he was doing. Mr. O'Donoghoe asked him if he had a warrant or any other authority for their arrest? Madden said he had notand ,aa thengveidn without emanded a moment's of Mr. D ouo h g e h s o it e at h ie. his name, which L elon e we y e. me Leyne was next asked his name, and he also gave it at aadadkeendthheinmdrheiwa name, e 3 : le t a e g w he h r ieh as h id e e, an a s n w d e i r n ed a , d tw, the e. was the et hn l i es, ,ianswer. will ta ?i l I n i —ko Madden e t , x th manner; y l a, dnTnnaame is Thomas Francis Meagher,' h, `anything you have to say to me say it publicly before e i l er y ' o; l , P , ask you private o n o Al u ii conversation caedydefeennl rly iname I, oanr er w e as i t tt h you eitheryo publicly— whatouuin ' a T a n d e th o e trs were y he marche d al s o made them to th bar rackpri- soners side g of uee ac ri h 's p n r a is m onr, e e at Rathcannon, about a mile further up the road. On arriving there the prisoners were placed in the kitchen, while Madden and his men held a council in the adjoining room, and prepared to march them to Thurles, which they did after a short delay. When they reached Thurles, the prisoners were brought to the house of Sub-inspector Bracken, and Mr. Gore Jones, the resi dent magistrate, was presently in attendance. Mr. Jones asked Mr. Meagher if it had been his intention to have surrendered himself, to which Mr. Meagher emphati cally replied that it was not; that he was prepared to meet his fate, and scorned the idea of asking for his life; that he had been arrested by Sergeant Madden and a body of police, on the road between Clonoulty and Holycross, and had not the least intention of surrender ing himself. Ile said he had seen the Mail, and repeat edly spoke in the most indignant terms of the insinua tion in that paper that he had craved life. ' I was aware,' said he, ' that my life would be spared if I surrendered and pleaded guilty to a charge of high treason ; but the only conditions upon, which I would ever have been in duced to surrender were, that all those who were incul pated in the movement should have permission to leave the country.' He was then-proceediug to speaks of other matters connected with the recent proceedings, when Mr. Jones cautioned him aiainst doing so ; but said if he wished to make any deliberate written statement he would receive it. Mr. Meagher then requested writing materials, anti w rote rather a long statement, with the contents of which, however, I am unacquainted. Mean time, General 111`Donald, accompanied by his staff, had arrived, and after interrogating the prisoners, directed that one of his aide-de -camps, Capt. M'Kenzie, should accompany them to Dublin. Mr. Jones had in the interim ordered a special train, and Mr. FitzmauriCeVß.M., who was about proceeding to Dublin by the mail train, re solved on coming with the prisoners. The General on this occasion was courteous; he did not send for a single , soldier from the camp , n either did he interfere with the 1 arrange ments which the police magistrates and officers ' had made for the co nve y ance of th prisoners. While the train was being got ready, a comfortable breakfast was provided by Mr. Bracken's housekeeper, of which Messrs. Meagher, Leyne, and O'Donoghoe partook heartily ; and having been supplied with a change of linen, they seemed much refreshed, and looked quite cheerful and free from all anxiety or uneasiness. They expressed themselves very grateful for the considerate attention paid them by Mr. Bracken's family. At half past five they proceeded on foot to the railway station, accompanied by the General, the two magistrates, and Mr. Bracken, and without any other escort. A party of twenty police followed soon after, and one first-class carriage having been attached to the engine and tender, in which the prisoners, Captain Fitztnaurice, Mr. Bracken, Captain M'Kenzie, and the police all took their seats, the train moved off for Dublin without the slightest manifestation of excitement or attempt at interference from the people, who were assembled in considerable numbers about the station. " Mr. Meagher looked in as good health as usual. He wore his ordinary dress—a blue frock coat and tweed trousers. He had on a short over-coat of Irish frieze, a black and white straw hat, and was without the slightest attempt at disguise of any kind. He smoked a cigar on his way to the station. Mr. Leyne was likewise in his ordinary dress, but wore a large Irish frieze over-coat. Mr. O'Donoghoe wore a dark fur cap and his usual dress. I understand that the informations lodged against the two latter, and tho warrant under which they are arrested, charge them with being of the party who attacked the police under Mr. Trent, in the widow Cormack's house at Boulagh-common. " The special train had searcoly passed the station at Templeavare when James F. Later arrived there, in STOWE. custody of two metropolitan police and a strong escort (From the Post.) of the constabulary. He was brought on a car from The first leading article of the Times of yesterday is Nenagh gaol, and sent on by the mail train to Dublin. devoted to an exceedingly inflated account of the present ilis appearance is greatly altered for the worse. He condition of the Duke of Buckingham's princely man- looks very haggard and dejected." sion at Stowe. All the effects there are in the sue- The following letter describes the state of the district tioneer's hands, and about to be sold to the highest of Abbeyfeale, so recently the head-quarters of Mr. bidder. The fact is mournful enough, and needed not Richard O'Gorman. — all the exaggerations of that penny-a-line sort of elo- " Abbeyfeale, Sunday, 13th August. quenee which our contemporary has bestowed upon prevented finishing my letter yesterday by If any other journal had trespassed but half as much in the announcement of the mail, so I had to break off a similar way, the literary gentlemen who live by sneer- short, and had much difficulty to get it sent by that post. ing would have jested upon it for a month. But, to be I have now to tell you that O'Gorman has left this part commercially " influential" is enough to awe these inde- of the country. Doheny came to meet him here on the pendent and virtuous satirists into respectful silence. mountains, but was met by O'Gornsan, who carried his We pass, however, from the malicious caricature of own carpet bag, and was alone. here, tolnddDheahenzr,thheart pecuniary distress and household ruin, to the savage things were in a hopeless state ldhe fruaitlest.s that suc attack upon the unfortunate Duke of Buckingham attempt to raise the people wou return, and went with which the article concludes. Our contemporary ceeded in persuading Dfoheneyetoruill. the are closely has been remarkable for some time past for tho harsh, off in the direction o K herr the would ) s ' tay at night disparaging, almost calumnious tone in which its ela- traced by the de h tec d ti e ves i ; w next morn y ing, so very close a borate obituary notices have been written. Scarcely would be kept Several up.. information as to their where life without having his character, almost immediately them here have given in this neighbourhood. afterwards, painted in the most unfavourable colours Omits and actions the while robbery, butt w not by our contemporary's obituary artist. A refinement O'Gorman planned tie coach inthe hotel at Rath upon this cruelty seems now to have been hit upon, and act in it himself. 5. slept 'd hundreds of military while a man yet lives to have the bitterness of reproach Iteale a few nights since, arm left early next morning for Newcastle. added to the agony of a ruined estate, the Times comes and police, and about one hour after he had forward to say the very harshest things which a malig- His bedroom was searched together on Keeper nant imagination could suggest of a nobleman sinking left it. They (the leaders) are all t or the escape of amid the utter wreck of his once proud fortunes. We Hill, and there is no truth in the repor he er . al fellows who do not pretend to have any knowledge of the private any one of them out of the country. crossing the affairs - of the Duke of Buckingham which would en- met O'Gorman and Doheny . toge f tll; fact to the au title us' to speak with authority upon the subject. We mountains, have given informahtiotn o sterday morning at can only deal with the subject of his misfortunes in so thorities. Three men were s ita o th y e e k ale. I have not as far as they have become matter of public notoriety. Castletown, three miles from it is a fact —one of them is Our contemporary insists that it is matter of public certained the randparticulas, but There are two companies notoriety that the Duke of Buckingham has not only the poor-law relieving officer.loo constabulary here. At ruined himself, but that he has deceived and ruined his of the 88th Regiment om a ntes of the 64th Regi son, the Marquis of Chandos. Not only is the Duke Newcastle there aro t l w t o s DragPoon Guards, and 90 con accused of "wilful folly," and of giving, at his son's ment, one troop of til l e ea s 1 le three companies of the 64th expense, to "expensive tradesmen`, and extortionate stabulary. At Rat 1 c . of the Ist Dragoon Guards, and a money •lenders better security than they con- Regiment, two troofpsrce. They are not really required; templated when they first sold their goods and large constabutydois peaceable enough at present, ex lent their money," but a distinct charge of the cruellest this neighbourhood ato Rathkeale. The crops are very bad, kind is made against that unfortunate parent. "It is cept this a and wheat; much more rain will entirely notorious," says the Times, " that the Duke, by the use both potbaotohestr of a passionate and overpowering persuasion, induced his destroy Hat Lord rdinge's tour in the south is) noticed in the amiable son, now in his twenty-fifth year, to cut off the letter. The distinguished veteran is now in entail of all the property in which his Grace was in- following Limerick press ed. If the ruinous compliance was yielded to re "CLONMEL, SATURDAY EVENING, AUGUST 11.—Lord presentations which subsequently proved to be incorrect Harding° and suite arrived here to-day, but after a short —if the Duke urged the step only as a formal act which delay at the Globe Hotel for refreshment they started for he would soon set right by re -settling the estates, we owoLr Limerick, where 2,000 troops are concentrated, of which gladly concede to him the excuse of utter i gn orance or Limeri, where 2,000 troops are concentrated, of which frenzied desperation. Let it be that he did not nletnow his Lordship is to take the command. Though short frenzied desperation. Let it be that he did not view the the time that he retnained here, a considerable crowd what he was about. The world, however, will i nof the collected, all anxious to get a look at the hero of India, act as a whole. The world has a certain have in° a more and the companion-in.arms of our own Lord Gough, who son who ruins his father, and it will not is from this immediate neighbourhood. The old father who has ruined favourable opinion of the children?' As to looked brave and hearty. his son, or rather both his insinuated, "We are all waiting for the special co ' . • the matters of fact here asserted or mmission with deny that they were great anxiety ; there seems to be little doubt of its we are only until a condition to or false —our contem- being held here in two or three weeks ; that length of "noterious —whether rtrue d y morning. We may, time, at least, will be required to make the necessary porary made them so Yesteer3ve that the statement is preparations in the summoning of jurors & _ however, be permitted to as the Sign . mg of deeds to cut who were captured at Balling ,C. The men ings the signarry will be tried here at improbable. Such th 11 done upon the impulse the commission, should there be one. off the entail are not genera y. overpowering persua • sion " Such "There continues a TUE NEW STAMP ACT.—On the 10th of October of "passionate and perfect quiet in this part of the 11 managed, nor is it easily con- country ; no symptom of next the new Stamp Act of the present session will come affairs are not gene" d Y b maim ed, without the inter- apparent ;in fact, the outbreak or disaffection is now into operation (11th ,Victoria, cap. 9). By this Act all • ble how they c oul o g cove presence of an immense military a • be continued for th re e f and assistance of some respectable solicitor. force has made the people wonderfully loyal. stamp elates are to vention Every 9 Ile L a m that it is dig firet duty of profonional " six o'clo4,—A ul4n utuaea wt4w4 (a tailor), Las the day moutiouod. Mr. T. Smith's Fugitive, 5 yrs WEDNESDAY. The Queen's Plate of 100 guineas, Two miles and a dii. Sir G. Heathcote's f by Velocipede, out of Miss Wil frid, 3 yrs—Mr. Elwes's Antagonist, 4 yrs—Mr. Har rison's Pyrrhus the First, 5 yrs—one of Lord Exeter's 3 )rs—Mr. J. B. Day's The Hero, 5 yrs—Mr. Osbal deston's Fugleman, 3 yrs—Duke of Richmond's Vam pyre, 4 yrs. The Members' Plate of 401., &c. Heats, one mile and a half. Mr. F. Clarke's Bellenden, 3 yrs—Sir S. Spry's m by Hercules, 4 yrs—Mr. J. Scott's Tot, 3 yrs. The Magna Charta Stakes did not fill. Egham Races takes place this day and to-morrow, and promise a very fair amount of sport. As the South- Western Railway, from the completion of the extension to Waterloo-bridge, will now be the route, the company has announced extra trains in the morning and e vening, and have made ample arrangements for conveying pas sengers to and from Chertsey to scan Belau], a distae of between three and tour mi les. The jc.)urney, therefore, from Waterloo bridge to the Course, will be a ccomplished in about an hour an d a q uarter. Tho racing will com mence each day at two o'clock. !ha. and the that [obis still I for out it few well ifthi ewer• n u* lout(' us to hould .thout . thi! in° 10 0 % OP