The Sun. — London, England, 1848-08-18 00:00:00

l recom - was, be 'ce ; but rde bad Gardi lmenda- r-Gene mciation How the 8 to the nost ini- ;e of the It in the yen to a Lion had id why tid em inent of mend a told the e, whom ever did ord, and xpected, made.— i Russell Govern- er since ot been onby, or det stood iere, had he Hon. number rn used. into the Principle st-office, the re fed with recom tif Mr. ut Whitt Tufnell, port w$S t at pre* , idded .to time ;ouRT .It SUN, LONDON, PRIDAY E no means deserves to be left out of view or consideration It is a state in which we may, in various cases, have political interests to connect us, and it is a state in con nexion with which we have at all times commercial in terests closely concerned. Our commercial intercourse with Rome, though not to be compared in extent to what it was with many other countries, is nevertheless annually growing and steadily increasing; and at pre sent the Sovereign of these realms cannot enter into any commercial engagements or treaties with the Sovereign of Rome, in order to afford our commerce with the Ro man States those securities arising from commercial treaties which it enjoys in almost every other country in the world. We have a great interest in accelerat ing the communication with our East Indian posses sions. That communication is daily becoming more and more abridged by the introduction of railways into dif ferent parts of the continent of Europe. Now, we can not make use of si railway passing through the territory of another state without some arrangement being entered into by treaty, with regard to the transit of our mails through that country. There is at present no railway communication established for that purpose in Italy; but we have no reason to doubt but that, sooner or later, there will be a vast chain of railways formed, running from the very extremity of Italy, and connecting it with the Rhine, Germany, or France; and in that case our mails will very likely pass through the Roman States. Now, under the present state of the law, the necessary arrangements for this purpose could not be effected, be • cause we could not conclude with the Roman states any convention legalising the transit of the English mails through their territories. Sir, for these reasons, then, briefly stated, I am at a loss to see any valid ground upon which, in the !present state of public opinion in Europe, it can possibly be contended that any constitu tional objection fairly applies to this measure, or that any real danger is likely to arise from it; and because, on the other hand, I hold that the existing inipossbility of conducting political relations with the Roman Go vernment is now attended. and likely in future years to be still more attended, with injury and disadvantage to the commercial and other interests of this country, I move, Sir, the second reading of this Bill.—(Hear.) Mr. ANSTEY said he was much surprised at the course pursued by the Noble Lord with relation to this Bill. He thought he would have alluded to the circum stances which led to this appeal to the Legislature, and that he would have applied his attention to the conscie n tious objections entert a i ne d aga i nst the Bill by Protest ants. and Catholics. He, however, left all these matters in the dark. He, therefore, would direct his remarks to the speeches whi c h h a d b een delivered in another place. The title of this Bill was " to enable her Majesty to maintain and establish the diplomatic relations with the Court of Rome." It was clear, then, that the object of the Bill was to effect a change in the law, and not merely to explain doubts. The next point to consider, what was meant by the " Court of Rome?" Now, there were two Courts at Rome, the spiritual and the temporal. With which of these was' the object of the Bill to enter into . diplomatic relations? Doubts existed as to whether it • was lawful to ;enter' into diplomatic relations with the Sovereign Pontiff. That really was the matter in question ; and yet there was no doubt that this could not be maintained. He would reconcile this apparent paradox. This Bill, for the purposes referred to by the Noble Lord, was not necessary. They could . do all that the Noble Lord contemplated to do under the law as it stood at present. For political purposes they could dispatch an agent, as they had recently done in the case of Lord Minna, but if it was intended to place the Government in a position to explain to the Court of Rome the nature of its transactions within these realms, that could not now be done by law, and: he hoped it never would. That - was the real secret of the Bill. That was the thing which could not be done. Upon an inter course upon political matters, neither the municipal law nor the law of nations interposed any obstacle. The Bill further provided that notwithstanding any laws now in force, it should be lawful for her Majesty to enter into diplomatic relations with " the Court of Rome." He would ask, why in this case the ordinary courtesy should be departed from, and that the title applied to the Sovereign of that State by all civilised nations should be omitted—a . title which, on the occasion of presenting a degree to the Chevalier Bunsen, by the University of Oxford, ho had him s elf appli e d to him by that illus trious University, when, in allusion to his mission to Rome, it was described " ad Ponifice:n discordias corn. ponere." This was not an unimpor tent objection, as it was some value that in the course of all communications that courtesy should be observed. The Bill referred to Acts now in force, forbidding intercourse with Rome. No Act of Parliamenwhich touches the prerogatives of the Crown in matter of wars and peace would be affected. But there were other Acts upon other matters which would be repealed by this Bill. These communications with the see of Rome had ceased since the year 1687, except in the case of the mission of Lord Castlemain. Lord Clarendon had openly stated the intercourse which had taken place upon the subject of the Irish colleges. There had been communications with Rome on the occasion of the treaty of Vienna, also, between Lord Hood and the Papal Government. In the reign of Queen Anne, they also occurred, and further on the occasion of conferring a pension on the Pretender, as he was termed, Cardinal York. The breaking off relations with Rome was fol lowed by the enactment of the penal code. These were - repealed, but they stopped short of repealing those laws, which interdict( d communications with the see of Rome. The lath of Elizabeth interdicted the reception of the ordinances of the Pontiff within these realms. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman cited several other Acts of Par liament, under which communication between the Court of Rome and this country was unlawful, except in certain cases,_ and it was those Acts which the Bill under consi deration sought to repeal. It was the intention of the Ministers, if they could, to get into their hands the Papal, as they have the monarchical power, and to use either for the purpose of governing or niisgoverning Ireland ; in other words, those remarkable words used by Lord Lansdowne—" They wished to lay open to themselves the peculiar influence possessed by the Court of Rome." Now, see the effect of this arrangement. The Sovereign Pontiff possessed unlimited power over all the Catholic priests in England and Scotland. In Ire land be was without so much prerogative, and that which was left was affected by common law. It was thisaincontrolled power and prerogative that the British Government now sought to obtain—to be exercised, Perhaps, for their own purpo ses on the occasion of elec tions, or for the maintena nce of political in fluence in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) At the present m o ment the Pope was a perfectly free agent, but if this Bill Passed, the Sovereign Pontiff w ould be bound to accept any message or commission coming through the Briti s h A m b ass ador, from the Court o f Rome, relative to the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland, for the purpose, at least, of discussion and consideration, if not of adhesion; another objec tion to the Bill consisted in the fact, that on the face of the statute-book there were laws against some reli gious orders of the 'Church of Rome, which declared them outlaws, and prohibited with them communication; yet it was known that the Sovereign Pontiff would con tinue to communicate with and acknowledge them. This ▪ in itself was calculated to warrant the strongest opposi tmitieig, nvteothe measure. The Hon. Member concluded by as an amendment, that the Bill be read a second time that day six months. • Mr .. URQUHART, after commenting on the circum st,ance of th e delay wh i ch ha d atten d e d t h e i ntro d uc ti on Woihtteh h this the e asure into that House, and upon the haste with Government were passing their measures through Parliament, proceeded to observe that he thought there must be some very extraordinary reason for their determination of passing the present one. The Hon. Member for Youghal had hinted at that reason, and he thought that he had done so with considerable • correctness. That reason- was, that by means of this Bill the Government would avail themselves of the Papal prerogative for purposes of their own in the government of Ireland. If so, it was a matter of vital importance to the country, as it affected not, only the prerogative of the Crown, but the alle giance of the subject. Commercial and political pur • poses were undoubtedly involved in the present measure, • . which at one time were intimately connected. It was not the Spain of the Bourbons, but undiplomatic Spain, that gained them that great ascendancy in the warfare of Europe, and he was very sure that this Bill was not the 'means of establishing this influence abroad on the most satisfactory basis. Its effect would be to connect the Pope with the system of European diplomacy, which he . thought ought to be carefully avoided. He gave his cordial support to the amendment. Sir R.. H. INGLIS, though he agreed to a very great extent in the opinions expressed by the Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal, said he could not give his support in silence to the proposition which he bad brought for ward against this, measure. The case for the Bill had been chiefly based on the convenience of commercial - relations between this country and the States of the Church. He should like to know what commercial re • istions of that kind, such as they were, which had not been most efficiently discharged by their Consuls at Rome, to whom, as he understood the office, those func tions were generally entrusted? He regarded this mea sure as . the commencement of a fundamental change, -as the commencement, in fact, of a reconciliation between England and Rome. In that light the objects of the Bill were regarded by a large portion of this commu nity. There were bishops in the Church of Rome to whom he would not object except in this, that they claimed to be bishops in England against the l Queen's wish and -permission. Dr. Wiseman said that Pope Gregory XVI. observed on one occasion, " That it was for England to begin. - England had a law disgraceful to herself, and. insulting to the Church. Let England re ,. peal that law." It would seem that this very line of po hey had been closely followed; but the question was, • whether this step was to be taken towards a reconcilia - lion between England' and the Pope, recognised in his pontifical character. The fact appeared in the Tablet • and in the Dublid Freeman's Journal,' that bulls were ••• now in this country from the Pope, constituting arch - bishoprics and bishoprics in this country. He did .• • not . complain of Roman Catholics endeavouring to advance their religion, but he did complain of Pro testants affording them every facility, although they believed they were in error. Was the sovereign 'power of Rome represented at that moment by the Pope and Cardinals? and was it not notorious that they were bound by free agents :in their own city. He (Sir •R. Inglis) contended that the Pope violated his treaty with Austria, that he sent forward his troops to attack Austria, and it was at such a moment they were going to receive an Ambassador from him. Now, the House should recollect that 3,500 of the clergymen of the Church of England signed a protest against the present Bill, and that whilst they displeased the Protestants they did not by any means conciliate the undivided affgetions of the Catholics by the measure. At an aggregate meet ing of the Catholics of London, held in Nrarch last, the measure was condemned, and why, then, was it brought • forward at such a late period of the session? It was in troduced into the House of Lords early in the session. The standing orders in that House were suspended for • the purpose of carrying it through with post haste; and yet it was only on that night it was brought for word ill alo lionn of c9llll/30111.—(11ear, bear.) There were three questions he wished to ask his Noble Friend at the head of the Government.:—First, whether any correspondence took place with the Pope with regard to the establishment of Roman Catholic Arch bishoprics and Bishoprics in England? Secondly, if any letter were written by Lord Clarendon to Earl Grey, in consequence of which the Noble Earl wrote a circular, giving titles to Roman Catholic Bishops which the law never contemplated? And thirdly, Whether the letter addressed to Archbishop Murray was an official docu ment, and intended, through him, to communicate di• rectly with the Pope? He should not trouble the House with any further observations, but, for different reasons than those stated by the Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal, he should oppose the Bill. Mr. MOORE observed that, in his mind, the question was a very simple one. The Hon. Baronet who last ad dressed the House had no objection whatever that rela tions should be had with Rome, as now—in an indirect private manner, but the moment it was done openly and avowedly, as became the English nation, then he came forward with every opposition in his power. He thought such a course unworthy of this country, and should, therefore, support the Bill. Lord J. RUSSELL—The Hon. Gentleman who has just sat down h as i n a f ew wor d s com pletely answered the speech of my Hon. Friend.—(Hear, hear.) Accord. ing to the law of this country, the Queen cannot enter into communion with Rome. My lion. Friend says it is quite clear from that that there can be no diplomatic relations with Rome—such is the meaning of the law. My Noble Friend stated, though with some hesitation, that there is some doubt with respect to the meaning of that statute, but that the more probable meaning of it is that there cannot be a religious communion of the state of England with the Church of Rome. But, however, it is obvious that while that was the danger to be guarded against, there is sufficient ambiguity in the wording of our law to make it fitting that no diplomatic relations should be formally established with Rome by any cre dentials authorised by the Queen unless with the con sent of Parliament. I did not think as long as any doubt remained—and persons of the highest authority whom we could consult did think there was doubt — that it would be right for the Executive to take any steps on this subject without the formal assent of Par liament. It is for that reason, therefore, that we pro posed a Bill on the subject. My Hon. Friend says this is the first step towards a reconciliation with Rome. Now those two words "communion" and " reconcilia tion" are liable to a like interpretation.—(Hear, hear.) The word communion does, as I believe, mean that sort of relation which was established by Queen Mary with Rome after the reign of Edward VI.--(Hear, hear) — that sort of relation which, I believe, James 11. intended ultimately to establish with Rome, and the word recon ciliation is one of similar import, meaning likewise the establishment of that religious relation with the Church of Rome.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman who has just spoken said, very truly, the Hon. Baronet the Member for the University of Oxford has no objections to these relations being established in fact. He has no objection to an attaché being sent from Florence to con duct our political relations with Rome, but he cannot bear it when established by Parliament and authorised by the Queen's name at the head of the credentials. It is, therefore, to the appearance and not to the fact that he objects. But with respect to the policy of making this alteration—l put it upon the ground, as my Noble Friend said—that, as we have matters to transact with the Court of Rome and the Sovereign of the Roman States, it is far better that those relations should be put upon an intelligible footing, and that a mission should be sent to Rome as the avowed representative of the Queen of England, than to maintain these underhand and unavowed, though, at the same time, perfectly well known relations which have for many years existed. Allusion has been made to the Chevalier Bunsen, and some declaration of his with respect to the Court of Rome. The Chevalier Bunsen was himself the repre sentative of a Protestant state at the Court of Rome — (Hear, hear)—and is supposed to have drawn up, within 1831 or 1832, certain proposals with respect to the government of the Roman States, and the reform of certain temporal abuses which existed in those states. He (a Protestant Minister) drew up those regulations, and amongst the persons who were called on to assent to them was the person who represented England, and who was well known to have his authority from Eng land, whose support and assistance were required, but who yet, in consequence of the existence of an ambi guous law, was unable to confess himself the repre sentative of England on that occasion. I ask which was the better position? There was the Protestant Minister of a Protestant country openly avowing his character, and asking the assent of France and Austria to his proposals, and the Minister of England asked to give his opinion, but afraid and unable to avow himself. I really cannot see what my Hon. Friend gains by this hide-and-seek game of having a Minister who acts as a Minister,' but cannot represent that character. M y. Hon. Friend has stated that be has no objection to any inter course with the Sovereign of Rome, whether he be dic tator or consul. I was rather alarmed to hear my Hon. Friend make that declaration (Hear, hear, and laughter)—because he cannot expect to see the ancient dictators or consuls of Rome arise again; and if he means a Government such as that of Rienzi, it rather looks as though my Hon. Friend were engaged in some Carbonaro conspiracy, hoping to overturn the authority of the Pope, and set up some tribune of the people in his place.—(Great laughter.) But my Hon. Friend thinks this Bill will give some advantage to the Roman Catholic Church, and that it appears us if we were altering the Protestant character of the constitution, and that it is, therefore, not advisable to enter into these relations. I own I think it far better with respect to all these mattersth t we should not stand on the adventitious and artificial aid which we derive from saying, "We will have no inter course with Rome." I think that, if the matter be in it self right, it is far better that we should do away with the sort of fiction that we cannot hold any diplomatic relations with Rome, and let the Roman Catholics derive any benefit they can from the change. Ido not think that Protestanism rests on so frail a foundation, and I should be much more afraid of the Roman Catholic reli gion if I thought that those foolish and obsolete restric tions were really the securities upon which Protestant ism relies.—(Cheers.) For my own part I am not dis posed to think that it would be for the advantage of this country, or that it would be satisfactory to the Roman Catholics themselves, that we should have any agree ment by which their religious arrangements should be regulated. It is quite obvious that you cannot by any means or authority whatever prevent the Pope from communicating with this country, by some means or other. You may try to prevent that communication being open, though it would be very foolish and absurd if you were to adopt means with vigour and energy for that purpose. If it were not open it would be secret— (Hear, hear)—and so long as there are Roman Catholics—and so long as they acknowledge the Pope as the head of their Church—you cannot prevent his having spiritual influence with those who belong to that communion.—(Hear, hear.) Uon the whole, I think the House will see in this Bill the only mode of making the law agree with the fact— (Hear) —and having been long aware of the fact that we h a ve had relations with the Court of Rome, and that there may be questions , wh ether in reference to politics or to commerce, or any more general question, which may make it advisable to have diplomatic intercourse with Rome, I trust the House will see no objections to a Bill of this kind, which unites the law with the fact, and that they will give it the sanction of their approval. It has been already, under other circumstances, agreed to by the House of Lords. It was agreed to some months ago; and since that time certain events have occurred. —(Hear, hear.) Undoubtedly these events have con tributed in a certain degree to shake the temporal au thority of the Pope; but I do trust that this House will not consider, because that temporal authority has been weakened, that now is the opportunity of saying to the Pope, " We should have been glad to have diplomatic relations with you when you were strong, but now, when you are weak, we are ready to throw off such relations, and we decline to have any intercourse with you." For these reasons I hope the House will agree to the second reading of the Bill.—(Cheers.) Mr. LAW opposed the Bill. He objected to the wording of the preamble of the Bill, and contended that there was no doubt in respect to the nature of the sove reignty: of Rome. It was a mere quibble to make the Bill palatable to the people of this country. Mr. H. DRUMMOND would support the Bill, and any measure which went the length of producing a good understanding between Christian sects all over the world. Some Gentlemen seemed to be frightened out of their wits that a bull should be sent from Rome to Ireland.—(Hear.) Now, what was the history of the whole affair ? Why, that one old gentleman in Ronie wrote a letter to another old gent leman in Ireland— (A laugh)—which he put i n to the post-office, and which came in proper time to hand. The Hon. Gentleman then said that it was most absurd to object to an ecclesi astic being made an ambassador from Rome to this country. Then, again, why should they object to the Roman Catholics having bishops and archbishops ? This was a matter of arrangement on the part of the Roman Catholics with which they had nothing to do. What would they have to do with the Church of Scot land if it established another presbytery in London ? He supported this Bill because it enabled the Govern ment to do that openly which for years they had done secretly.—(Hear.) Mr. NAPIER said his objection to this Bill was, that it was intended to be used as a means of operating— through the Pope of Rome—on the Catholic clergy in these countries. If they could not govern Ireland through the medium of the English constitution, they ought not to hold Ireland one moment longer. In sending a per son to Rome as an Ambassador, they would be recog nizing the supremacy of the Pope, and that would be directly against the Act of Settlement; but the laws of this country gave the Roman Catholics the same privi leges as Protestants; they were eligible for all situations except the monarchy; and what reason, then, had the to complain? The supremacy of the Pope being thus repudiated by the Act of Settlement, England was bound to preserve that denunciation, for while the Protes tantism of England remained the constitution guaranteed by that Act of Settlement would exist, giving equal laws and equal rights, and liberty to, all.—(Hear.) What was the object of the present measure? He found from the instructions given to Lord Minto, that he was, when at Rome, to endeavovr to get the Pope to consent to the expulsion of the Jesuits from Switzerland. Now, that was one of the evils to which diplomatic relations with Rome would give rise, for it would cause a con tinual interference with the internal affairs of other Ca tholic countries through the Pope on the intercession of this country. That, therefore, would give rise to much inconvenience, but the fact was, the real object of the measure was to govern Ir e land through the Court of home, and that was as much as an admission on the according a n t o t the hen c e o n n t s e t r i e t u d t ion to o a f t c h o i s m c p o a u r s t o r n y . part of Go vernment t h at t h ey cou ld not govern I re l an d in b e t T w h e e e t o h n e . loyalty and order which characterised the Protestant apnodrooditsiorodfetrhowhinhabitants t the of characteristicslreland, the Ca tholic portion of it, and argued from that that it would be derogatory to the principles of justice to sacrifice the Protestantism of the country at the shrine of Ca tholicism. Mr. ROUNDELL PALMER said they would be de ceiving themselves and the country if they were to deal with this question other than as one of' great import ance, and deserving more consideration than was likely to be given it. He conceived the measure was not of that pressing importance that it should be pressed through at this period of the session, and in so thin a House. The Noble Lord (Lord Palmerston) had said that they had already had relations with the Roman States, and no doubt such was the case. Their having them still was perhaps most necessary, and at a proper time he would be ready to consider any measure which would place those relations on a proper footing. But when for that purpose such a Bill as the present, which would place this country in a relation to Rome which it was not with any other country in the worl 1, was a course he must object to, as he considered the most ruinous consequences would re suit from it. No doubt it was said the measure only had reference to temporal diplomatic purposes, that in a religious point it would not operate, and were that the case he would not oppose it ; but he be. lieved the whole importance of the measure lay in the fact that it could be made applicable to relations of a different kind, and on that account he opposed it. The House, according to all appearances, would soon have to deal with the establishment of the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland, and he could not but connect the present measure with that question, as he had no doubt the one was intended as an auxiliary to the other. Mr. FAGAN, as a Roman Catholic, was indifferent whether diplomatic relations were established with the Court of Rome or not, but he could not vote for the present measure, in consequence of the insult cast upon the Pope in the second clause of it.—(Cries of " Divide, divide"). Mr. M. J'. O'CONNELL would vote for the measure, as in Committee it was intended to strike out that clause. It was of importance that such relations as contem plated by the measure should be established with the Court of Rome, as whatever was done with that Court ought to be done speedily. There was much more room for intrigue now than there would be were regular rela tions established, for then all transactions between the two Courts must be made known to the country. Mr. GLADSTONE could not give a silent vote on the subject, but would make his remarks briefly. He felt compelled to give a sort of assent to the principle of the Bill, but it was unfortunate that they were called on to debate the question at so late a period of the session. It was also unfortunate that they should be called on to de bate the question when matters were in such a state in Italy. Yet he must say that he could not do any act which would blink the principle of the Bill. For more than a hundred years after the Reformation the Pope was either in arms against this country, or was occupied in endeavouring to regain possession of it, and although, as a matter of course, there could be no diplomatic relations then with his Court, that was no reason why there should not be so now. He thought the manner in which com munications were made with the Court of Rome at pre sent was unworthy of the ingenuousness of the English character. The fact that these communications were held with the Court of Rome suggested the absolute necessity that these communications should be put upon a different basis. Was it not necessary when they con sidered that the Bishops of the Church of Rome were subordinate to the Pope, and therefore they would not bind themselves to conditions which might be overruled by the Pope ; so that if they were to have any communication, with the Roman Catholic ecclesiastics, they could only do so effectually through the head of their Church ; and that consideration prompted the absolute necessity for this Bill, and he should not be de barred by any misapprehension of his views to vote in favour of it Mr. NEWDEGATE said he had a great objection to the Bill. He regretted that Lord Clarendon had taken the course he had, and having done so, he wished he had hid his shame ; it had one effect, it opened their eyes. He should vote against the Bill. Lord ARUNDEL and SURREY said he should vote for the second reading of the Bill, with the view of omit ting the second clause in Committee, and that his course after that would be influenced by the decision come to upon that amendment. Mr. GOULBURN said, considering the lateness of the session, and the contradictory arguments by which the Bill was supported, he should vote against the second reading. Sir H. VERNER said his Hon. Friend had a right to take credit for the loyalty of the Protestants of Ireland. He referred to the province with which he was connected, and there were but two regiments, which was a proof of their loyalty; and the Member for Kerry was wrong in taunting him for the praise he had bestowed upon them. Mr. M. O'CONNELL explained, that ho only com plained that the Learned Gentleman appeared to give them credit for exclusive loyalty. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the motion 125 Against it Majority for the second reading —79 In reply to a question from Mr. LAW, Lord JOHN RUSSELL stated that the Bill would be committed on Wednesday next. The Bill was then read a second time. The Parochial Debts and Audit Bill was road a third time, the report brought up, and clauses added to the Fox, S. L. Bill. The Committee on the Fees (Court of Chancery) Bill was postponed to Monday next. On the older of the day for the committal of the Nui sances and Contagious Diseases Bill being read, Lord MORPETH proposed that the Bill be committed pro forma, for the purpose of adding certain amendments. After a short discussion, the motion was agreed to, and the amendments were ordered to bo added to the Bill. The House then went into Committee on the Slave Trade Bill. The clauses were agreed to. The Ecclesiastical Suits Commissioners (Ireland) Bill also:went through Committee. The Poor Removal Bill (No. 2) was read a third time and passed, alter some discussion. The other orders of the day were then disposed of and the House adjourned at Half-past One o'clock. THEAPPREHENDED CHARTISTS. A number of the Chartists, arrested on Wednesday night, were in custody at the Bow-street police-station all yesterday, and during the afternoon several more were brought from different places to the same station. At about half-past three o'clock a gentleman, from the office of the Treasury Solicitor, made an application to Mr. Hall, the Chief Magistrate, stating, that as the cases were of an important kind, and as there was a good deal of evidence to be given, it would be convenient if the magistrate would allow the examinations to be postponed until to-morrow (this day). Mr. HALL granted the application. the From the in f ormat i on receive d b y th e G over nment yesterday, not the l eas t d ou b t i s now en t er tained thut contemplated merely they i n determinedproc es i procession n to mhiednight t Chartistsand not assassinate the police who were on duty, in the event of it not and to to commit forthe the timely most informationtheir interference, but a l so to f i re many of t h e pu bli c buildings, osawful forwarded Had to head-quarters, there seems every probability that the fellows would have carried their intentions into effect. It appears that when a room was hired at the Peacock, Francis -street, Westminster-road, the parties told the landlady that they wanted the room merely to hold a trades meeting. By some means which at present has not been ascertained, the owner of the house ascertained that the parties who had hired the place were Chartists, and that they intended to come armed. The moment they came she told them that she could not allow the meeting to take place in her house. Some of the p a rties who bad then assembled cried out to their companions, " Oh, we are piped, we had better go home." Others, more daring than the rest, said, " Well, if we have failed here, come along with us; we will take you to a place with a long passage , where we can pounce out upon the police, s hould they attempt to attack us." con veyed t he intelligence to Some parties immediate y .t ho w ithout a mom l ent' n s loss Mr. Superintendent Rutt, w of time, proceeded with a strong muster of men, and suc ceeded in apprehending the w ho le of the prisoners at the present time in custody. found by the po- All sorts of ammunition have been apprehended, and lice at the residences of the part i es gunpowder f o und secreted in the has actually been churchyards of the metropolis, eviden tly showing what were the fiendish objects of the villains h ad the y not been frustrated. When Mr. Rutt went to apprehend a man in Blue Anchor-yard, the moment he and Mr. Russell entered the place a dog was get at them, which made an attack upon Mr. Superintendent Rutt; that officer, not to be daunted, rushed up the stairs, and, in spite of all resist ance, he succeeded in apprehending his man. Mr. Superintendent Grimwood (E), Pearce (1), Beresford (C), Rutt (L), and Evans (M division), were in reserve until a late hour last night ready to start off to any part of the metropolis, in the event of their ser vices being required. The military were also ready to act, in fact every precaution had been taken by the authorities, quite sufficient to prevent any riot had such been attempted. With respect to Mr. Smith, the landlord of the Angel, in. Webber-street, where the parties were apprehended on Wednesday night, th e Commissioners of Police are perfectly satisfied that he had no knowledge of the fel lows being present. They went in without saying a word to any person connected with the establishment, and it was not until the police entered the building that Mr. Smith knew anything of the parties being I present. ), THE LoNnori Siasoic—Town is thinning fast, and the season at the west may be said to have com menced its termination. It has proved an average one for the west-end shopkeepers; nearly all of whom have catered with success for the public, by the production of novelties. The Act for the Security of Designs must re ceive the credit of this, without which the ingenious would have been left at the mercy of the unprincipled. Perhaps, few of such inventions have obtained more no toriety than the Syrian Paletot of Swain and Co., of 379, Oxford-street ; price 405.; which after being sought by the aristocratic for town wear, is now as readily made purchase of for the sea-side promenade or country lounge.—Morning Post, July 25,1848. [-ADVERTISE:VS:XT.:I—DM EAILL OF ALAS.:MOB ASP ROLLO/PI:I'S PILLS.—An artounding cur* by this miraculous medicine, arter eery other means had failed. see, extract trout bls Lordship's , letter, dated " Villa Me•Maa, Leghorn, Feb. 21, 1543. Professor Holloway—Sir : I beg to acquaint yen that your pills have effected a cure of a disorder is my liver and atoraach all the raost eminent of the facility, at hems and all over the centriont, had not These wendorftil pills will been able t• effect; nay, not ever the waters of Carlsbad or Ma. ) of " th A e Ll'a llve . r ze ors a telach.—Sahl (also liellewars ri oe iieinrnetblialaoridn.yo disease( AS rOfeSSOr llolloway's Establlshmat, 244, Strand, Ind by all medicine Tenders throughout the ciTilbed world, PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.) THURSDAY, AUG. 17. DERBY WRIT. Motion made, and Qaestion put, " That Mr. Speaker do issue his Warrant to the Clerk of the Crown to make out a New Writ for electing of two Burgesses to serve in this pre sent Parliament for the Borough of Derby, in the room of the Right Honourable Edward• Strutt and the Honourable Edward Frederick Leveson (lower, whose Election has been determined to be void.' Debate arising; Motion made, and Question put, " That the Debate be now adjourned." The House divided : Abdy, T. N. Armstrong, Sir A. Arundel, Earl of Barnard, E. G. Bellew, K. M. itTriely, , Captain Berkeley, Craven Bernal, Ralph _ Birch, sir fhomas Bowring, Pr. Boyle, Colonel Bright, John Brown, W. Campbell, W. F. Cliolmeley, Sir M. Cobden, Richard Duncan, George Dundas, Admiral Ebrington, Lord Elliot, John E. Ferguson, Sir R. Forster, ➢lathew Fortescue, J. W. Fox, W. J. Gladstone, W. E. MAJORITY-AYES, 85. Hay, Lord J. Russell, Lord John Hayter, W. G. Rutherford, A. Headlam,:T. E. Balwey, Colonel Hill, Lord Marcus Seholetleld, William Howard, P. H. Scrape, G. P. Jervis, Sir John Shell, R. L. Kershaw, James Smith, John A. Lewis, George C. Somerville. Sir W. Lushington, C. Stuart, Lord D. Maher, N. Talfourd, Sergeant Mangles, R. D. Tenison, E. K. Martin, J. Thteknesse, Ralph Martin,,C..W. Thompson, Colonel Matheson, Colonel Thornely, T. Maule, Fox Townahend. Captain Milner, W. M. Tufnell, Henry Moffatt, George Turner, Edmund Moore, George H. Villiers, Charles Morris, David Wall, C. B. Norreys, Lord Ward, H. G. O'Brien, T. Watkins, Colonel Osborne, Ralph Willcox, Brodie Paget, Lord A. Wilson, James Paget, Lord Clarence Wilson, Matthew Parker, John Wrightson, W. R. Pearson, Charles Power, Dr. TLLLLIM• Raphael, Alexander Hume,.Joseph Rich, Henry Wood, W. P. Homily, Sir John Greene, Joh' Grey, Ralph W. Grosvenor, Lord R. Grosvenor, Earl Hawes, Benj. Anstey, Thomas C. Bankes, G. Bentinck, Lord G. Blackstone, W. S. Brisco, M. Burrell, Sir C. Cabin'', B. B. Christy, Samuel Cocks, Thomas S. Coles, Henry B. back. Quintin Dodd, George Goring, Charles Goulburn, Henry Grogan, Edward MINORITY—NOES, 43. Halford, Sir H. Napier, Joseph Hamilton, G. A. O'Connor, Feargus Harris, Hon. Capt. Palmer, Roundell Ileneage, G. H. Finney, W. Henley, J. W. Plowden, W. H. Hildyard, T. B. Sibthorp, Colonel Hindley Charles Tollemache, F. J. Hobhouse, T. B. Urquhart, David Hotham, Lord . Verner, Sir W. Inglis, Sir R. Vivian, J. E. Jolliffe, Sir W. it Vy-vyan, Sir R. Jones, Captain Vyse, 11 - Law, C. E. Lygon, General Mum. Mandeville, Viscount Newdegate, N. Mullings, J. R. Spooner, R. DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH THE COURT OF ROME BILL. Order for Second Reading read; Motion made, and Ques tion proposed, "That the bill be now read a second time:"— Amendment proposed, to leave out the word " now," and at the end of the Question to add the words "upon this day three months :"—Question put, " That the word ' now' stand part of the Question." The House divided:— MAJORITY—AYES, 125. Abdy, Thomas N. Gladstone,' W. E. Parker, John Acland, Sir T. Greene. John Pechell, Captain Adair, Hugh E. Grenfell, Charles W. Perfect, Robert Adair, R. Shafto Grey, Sir G. , Pinney, William Anson, Colonel Grey, R. W. Power, Dr. Armstrang, Sir A. Grosvenor, Lord R. Posey, P. Arundel, Earl of Grosvenor, Earl • Raphael, Alexander Bagshaw, John Harcourt, G. Reynolds, John Barnard, E. G. Hawes, B. Rich, Henry Bellew, R. M. Hayter, W. G.' Romilly, Sir John Berkeley, Captain Headlam, Thomas . R ussell, Lord J. Berkeley, Craven Hobhouse, Sir John Rutherfurd, A. Bernal, Ralph Ilobhotise, T. B. Salwey, Colonel Birch, Sir Thomas Howard, P. H. Schelefleld, W. Blacken, S. W. Howard, Sir R. Seymour, Lord 13°Irriad. Dr. Jervis, Sir John Shell, R. L. Boyle, Colonel Keogh, William Shelburne, Earl of Bright, John Lascelles, W• S• Sheridan, R. B. Brotherton, J. Leonard, T. B. Simeon, John Brown, W. Lewis, G. C. Smith, J. A. Buller, Charles Locke, Joseph Somerville, Sir W. Bunbury, E. 11. Lushington, Charles Stuart, Lord D. Carew, W. P. M'Gregor, John Talroard, Sergeant Childers, J. W. Maher, N. Tenison, E. K. Clay, James Martin, John Ihicknesse, R. A. Clements, Charles Marthr,-C..W. Thompson, Coionel Colobrooke, Sir T. Matheson, Colonel Thornely, Thomas Courtenay, Lord Maule, Fox Tollemache, F. 1. Cowper, W. F. Melgund, Viscount Townshend, Captain Craig, W. G. Milner, W. M. Tamer, E. Denison, W. J. Monsen, William Villiers, Charles Divett, Edward Moore, G. Watkins, Colonel Dodd, George! Morpeth, Viscount Willcox, Brodie Douro, Marquis of Norreys, Lord Williams, Johu Drummond, Henry Norreys, Sir D. Wilson, James Dundas, Admiral O'Brien, Timothy Wilson, Matthew Dunne, F. P. O'Connell, M. J. Wodehouse, Edmund Ebrington, Viscount Ogle, S. C. Wood, Sir Charles Elliot, J. E. Osborne, Ralph Wood, W. P. Ferguson, Sir R. Owen, Sir J. Foley, John H. PagekLord A. , TELLXIII. Forster, Matthew - Paget, Lord C. ' Hill, Lord M. Fox, W. J. . Palmerston, Viscount Tuftiell, Henry Archdall, Captain Banker, George Blackstone, W. Blandford, Marquis Broadley, Henry Ilruen, Colonel Burrell, Sir C. Cabbell, B. B. Chaplin, W. J. Chichester, Lord J. Christy, Samuel Coles, H. B. Devereux, J. T. Dick, Quint!" Duncan, George l're, C ti MINORITY-NOES, 46. Fox, S. L. Frewen, C. H. Gooch, E. S. Goring, C. Goniburn, Henry Grogan, E. Gwyn, Bowel Hamilton, G. A. Henley, J. W. Hildyard, T.,,13. T. Hood, Sir A. Hotham, Lord Hudson, G. Inglis, Sinn. Jolliffe, Sir VI G. Law, C. E. Mullings, J. R. Napier, J - osePh Newdegate, C. r . Fs.hner, Roundel' Pearson, Charles Plowden, W. H. Robinson, G. R. Spooner, Richard Tollcmache, J•hn Turner, G. J. Verner, Sir W. Vyse, K. R. K. H. Wyld, James Fagan, William TELLERS. Urquhart, David Anitcy, T. C. LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF BANKRUPTCY, Aug. 17. (Before Mr. Commissioner FANS.) IN THE BANKRUPTCY OF LOUIS GEORGE JULLIEN. The bankrupt, the well-known conductor of concerts, and late lessee of Drury-lane Theatre, applied for his certificate. Mr. Cooke opposed on behalf of three creditors, namely, Mr. Benham, of Wigmore-street; Mr. Way \Vytcherley, of Wigmore-street; and Mr. Folkes, of Little Russell-street. The object of the opposition, it may be premised, was not directed so much against the bankrupt obtaining his certificate, as to elicit the manner in which Mr. Lewis, a solicitor, of No. 9, Lower Gros venor-street, and Mr. Levi, a sheriff's officer, and brother-in-law of Mr. Lewis, had obtained possession of nearly the whole of the bankrupt's property, and at the same time to obtain an order from the Commissioner for the setting apart, by the bankrupt, of a portion of his future earnings, in part liquidation of his present debts. Mr. CooKE said, the general grounds of opposition were the following:—The large amount of the bankrupt's debts (12,0000, and the smallness of the assets, being only about 150/. The next question was, whether a man, who . had . everything to gain and nothing to lose , was justified in entering upon a speculation in the manner the bankrupt had done. It appeared from the balance-sheet that, in 1846, the bankrupt had a defi ciency of upwards of 1001. In April, 1848, he stopped payment with a deficiency of 12,0001. The bankrupt had resided in a large house in Harley-street, and his expenses were excessive, namely, about 1,800/. in little more than a year and a half. There was also the objec tion, that the bankrupt had paid a most usurious rate of interest to his own attorney, a Mr. Lewi s, and that that attorney had at length been permitted by him to obtain almost the entire of his property. It would be for the Court to decide whether, when t he case had been fully heard, the certificate could be granted, with out attaching thereto certain conditions as might be the means of obtaining a partial liquidation of his debts. M. Jullien was then examined—ln December, 1846, he was 1251. deficient. In 1847 he realized a net profit of 3,1831. by a tour in the provinces. In August, 1847, he became lessee of Drury-lane Thea tre, undertaking to pay a rental of 3,500/. per year by instalments of 201. per night, until that amount should be paid. The Grand Opera commenced in the November following, the expenses were 4501. per night, and the performances lasted fifty-two nights. His losses durhig. that time were 15,080/. Had never undertaken a similar speculation before. Ho left London on a provincial tour on the 3d of January, 1848. Mr. Lewis was his attorney, and had from a period dating nine years back Lewis in the practice of discounting his bills. Mr. Lewis had never given him a statement of accounts, although he had fre quently applied to him for one. Did not know what rate of interest he paid. Was quite certain Mr. Lewis had never given him a statement of the accounts between them. Mr. COLE (on behalf of the assignees) bore stated that the creditors could get no statement from Mr. Lewis of his transactions with the bankrupt, beyond his sho w i ng a diary containing entrances of half-a-dozen items. Mr. Commissioner FANE—I have ample powers to compel Mr. Lewis to produce a cash account. Mr. COLE—Mr. Lewis has stated that he kept no book of account respecting his transactions. Examination continued—He (the bankrupt) thought that when! Mr. Lewis began to discount his bill s h e charged five per cent. per annual for the dis counts . S ome thing occurred whic h led him to im ag i ne t h at it . might be fire per ce nt. per month. This was s i x years ago. Mr. Lewis explained by saying that the charge was for other things. lie (the bankrupt) did not feel satisfied, and endeavoured to get out of his hands. In twelve months after th . at time ho had pa id off every thing, except Mr. Lewis's law charges, , for which be could not get his bill. Two or thre e years afterwards, being greatly press ed for money, he again borr owe d o f Mr. Lewis 200/., mace which time he might have had eight or ten ot her transactions with him. It appeared by his balance - sheet. that L ew i s now holds his bills for upwards of 3 . ,000/. Did not keep an account of his money transactions with Mr. Lewis. On the Ist of January, 1848, he and his partner in Regent street sold that business to Messrs. Chappell and Beale for 4,000/. He had four-fifths . of that b us i ness, so t h at his share was 3,200/. Deducting a sum of 6001. that he at that time owed to It fessss. , Uhappell and B ea l e , h e received the difference in cash. Ile then p a id 6001. t o the London and Westminster Bank, 2501. for a bill due to Mr. Bielefield, 300/. to Mr. Benh am , and 260/. to M rs. Levi. He also paid Lewi s 6001. 110 then paid various monthly and weekly salaries that were due to performers; and finding that he had not sufficient money left for this purpose by 3001., ho applied to Mr. Lewis, who gave him back 300/. He then paid the remainder of the salaries. Lewis then drew a bill upon him for 3001., as he believed, but could not say the exact amount , nor whether it was payable in two or three months. Ile (the bankrupt) had further made an agreemen t w ith Chappell and Bea le, b y which they undertook to pay him 3001. per year, for six years, for certain musical services. The undertaking. was secured by bond. He never authorised Mr. .Lewis to obtain f rom Ch a pp e ll and Beale eighteen bills of exchange, of 100/. each, in exchange for this bond. If it wa s d one , it was with out his authority. Had since beard that such en ex ' change had taken pl ace, sad that Lewis has got the bills.. He had never s een Lewis privately since the t ex change took piece. He (the bankrupt) was also to have from Chappell and Beale an annuity of 700/. per year for six years for other services. That was also secured assignment of the latter by bond. He had execut ed an bond, procured by Lewis,. on the eve n i ng o f Su n day the 2d of January, h av ing first consulted hi 6 w ife, Madame Jullien, whether be should do so. Lewis dined with him on that day. After Madame Jullien had retired, Lewis produced a paper, and said if he would sign it he should be able to obtain money to arrange with his (Jullien's) creditors, so that he might be able to pursue his profes sional career. He did n. .t read the document himself,or hear it read, but called Madame Jullien to read it for him. She asked Lewis what he intended to do with the 7001. annuity. He said it was to enable him to make an arrangement with the creditors. He instantly signed it, that same Sunday evening, in the presence of Madame Jullien only. The man servant might have been pre sent, as he brought in the pen and ink for the purpose. Lewis's clerk was not. Mr. CoLx objected to this kind of examination going on in public. Mr. Commissioner PANE said the examination was a proper one to be heard in public. Here were three cre ditors endeavouring to get something more than a farthing in the pound, and was he to prevent their doing so by denying the fullest and most public inquiry? Examination continued—Saw Lewis the following morning at his (Lewis's) bed-room door for a few minutes, upon a matter of 601. that had been twice paid. Obtained the money. Not a word was said about the assignment. He (the bankrupt) did not sign anything, and he left town by the 10 A. N. train for Leicester on a musical tour, en route to Scotland. When in Scotland he received a letter from a Mr. Speyer, an attorney, informing him that two bills of his for 5001. each were due, and if they were not paid immediately he would be made a bankrupt. Lewis had told him that his brother-in-law, Levi, held the two bills, isbd to mind and provide fur them, or that Levi would make him do so. He sent a copy of Speyer's letters to Lewis, and begged him to arrange the matter as well as he could, having property in hand. Never authorised Lewis to put in an appearance. Had since heard Levi had got an execution over his property. Had a lease of certain premises in Harley-street, including a music-room. They were repaired and decorated in 1847 at an expense of 1,6001. Had paid Mr. Benham 300/. on account of the same, and 1,3001. was now due. He has not in his pos session the lease of these premises. Did not know that Lewis had put them up for sale by the sheriff. • A. meet ing of his creditors was called for the sth of February. He was in London at the time, bat did not know that Levi had at that time got a judgment against him. Mr. Chappell here stated that there were two meet ings of creditors—one of the creditors of the joint estate on the sth of January, and one of Jullien'a own creditors of the sth of February; and that Lewis then stated, in the hearing of twenty persons, that no one could possibly take any proceedings by way of seizure. Examination continued—lt was at the latter meeting agreed to accept his offer of 1,5001. a year out of his future earnings, and that the lease should remain in the hands of Mr. Lewis, on the understanding that he would not disturb the bankrupt. After this meeting he went to Dublin. Finding it impossible, shortly after, to carry out this arrangement, in consequence of Mr. Bielefield and other creditors dissenting, he made himself a bank rupt. The sheriff had remained in his house since the 4th of February, and the property Was taken. The bankrupt here stated that he was quite ready to do anything (either by giving a written document, or his word of honour) for his creditors, out of his future earnings. He was now receiving 631. per week for his professional labours at the Surrey Zooiogical Gardens, less some expenses. Mr. Richard Folkes, of Little Russell-street, Covent garden, draper, was next examined at so 6e length by Mr. Cooke, touching the circumstances under which the bankrupt h ad: obtained credit for Mr. Folkea's claim of 443/. It appeared from his evidence that the debt was contracted under much the same circumstances that such debts are usually contracted when a bankrupt has not the money wherewith to pay, and as he declared that he had no ill• feeling towards Mona. Jullien, and only wished to obtain a partial liqu idation of his debt out of the bankrupt's future earnings, when he was able to pay, his Honour intimated an opinion that the conduct of the bankrupt in respect to the transaction was not of a cri minal character, and proceeded to deliver his judgment on the case generally. The Learned CoMIIisSIONER, in doing this, said he must first say that he did not think that the expenditure of the bankrupt, taking into consideration his position and the peculiar nature of his pursuit, had been excessive. The next objection, that the bankrupt commenced his balance-sheet in 1846, with a deficiency of 1361., and had no right to enter on a speculation, vanished when he took into account the property he had in Regent-street, the amount of his earnings in 1847, and the bonds Messrs. Chappell and Beale had given him in security of the annuities. The next question was, whether the bankrUpt was warranted in entering upon the great speculation of Drury-lane Theatre. When he looked at the great success that had attended him for nine years, he thought that a man of his talents was justified in taking a bold course. All persons of talent like to show boldness in enterprise where the enterprise is not unjust, and. he (the Learned Commissioner) should not say that the bankrupt had exceeded the proper bounds of legiti mate enterprise. Then came the great difficulty of the bankrupt having come there with nothing; but why , had he nothing? He (the bankrupt) had placed him self in the hands of an attorney, and that attorney and Mr. Levi had got something. Upon this part of the matter the bankrupt had not been more to blame than his creditors. He had placed himself in their hands, and they, not less than he, had, by not bringing his affairs into that Court sooner, enabled Lewis and Levi to get nearly the whole of the property. He hoped and trusted that the assignees would take proceedings, and yet compel them to disgorge some part of the bankrupt's assets; but he could not punish the bankrupt by with holding his certificate. He felt that his conduct had been that of an honest man, who had done all that lay iu his power, and he should therefore grant him his certificate. Whether he should attach thereto any conditions with respect to his devoting a portion of his future earnings in liquidation of his present debts, he would decide on Saturday morning next, after having maturely weighed all the circumstances of the case. Certificate granted accordingly. IRELAND. THE STATE TRIALS. THE QUEEN V. JOHN MARTIN. DUBLIN, AUG. 16.—The Right lion. the Lord Chief Baron and the Hon. Baron Pennefather took their seats in this coot at half-past ten o'clock this morning, when the trial of Mr. John Martin, under the Treason felony Act, was resumed. The S O LICITOR -GENERAL addressed the jury—The British Government, as alluded to by the prisoner in his article, meant all the constituted authorities of Ireland, and every man who was attached to the union between the two countries, and the meaning of the article was, that this Government was the enemy of Irish nationality and those persons who were represented by John Martin. The article from which he had been reading was dated the 24th of June; on the Eth of July he was arrested, and between June and the 22d of July the conspiracy made considerable progress. The rebellion was to break out when the harvest was saved. In the meantime, the vigorous interposition of the authorities arrested the progress.of that rebellion; measures were taken to arrest the leaders, and the object of the publication of the 22d of July was to lead to the escape of the persons thus arrested by a general insurrection. The LORD CHIEF BARON then charged the jury. DUBLIN, ... THURSDAY MORNING.—The jury retired at half-past three o'clock, and at ten minutes past seven they returned into their box, when the foreman put the following question to the Court:—" Suppose," ho said, " that the prisoner had no criminal intent when he com mitted this crime of felony, either on the 24th of June or the Ist of July, and yet the jury were satisfied that the letter published on the 22d of July sustained one count in the indictment, would such an opinion as this entitle them to find him guilty?" The Cum, BARON replied that if the jury were satis fied from the letter referred to by the foreman, that the prisoner was guilty in one count only, they might find him guilty of the crime preferred against him. If even a single article satisfied them that he had the intentions imputed to him they might find him guilty. The jury then retired to their room, but returned to their box in about twenty minutes, having at length agreed to a verdict. The issue paper having been handed down, and the jury having answered to their names, The CLERK of the CRowN—How say you, gentlemen, is the prisoner at the bar guilty or not guilty of the charge laid in the indictment? The Foreman.—Guilty. At the announcement of this verdict, which caused some sensation in the court, the prisoner seemed quite unmoved. The prisoner was then removed, and the Court ad journed to ten o'clock this morning. MORE ARRESTS AND COMMITALS. We regret to have to record the arrest and committal to the county gaol of Limerick, on yesterday, of the fol lowing persons: — Under warrant from the Lord-Lieutenant—William. Fuller Harnett, of Newcastle, for " treasonable prac tices." By Michael Galway, Esq., R.M.—Michael Denniston, of Abbeyfeale, for having attacked, robbed, and de tained in custody, when in coloured clothes, Head-con stable Hogben, whilst in performance of his duty. By Charles Hunt, Esq., R.M..—Richard Dalton, of Tipperary, for having delivered a speech in Galbally, which he made use of seditious language. By Michael Galway, Esq., R.M.—Henry Morgan, of Abbeyfeale, for having in his possession a seditious docu ment. A mason named O'Neill, from Rathkeale, was brought into town this morning, and committed to the county gaol, for having used some strong language on the oc casion of the arrest of Mr. Harnett, of Newcastle. Mr. Owen . O'Neill, a student of Thurles College, was fully committed for trial yesterday to the county gaol, by the Lord-Lieutenant for " treasonable practices." Two loaded pistols were found in his possession, at Uulla, in this county. THE LATE ROBBERY OF THE LIMERICK AND TRALEE MAILS. As there have been various rersions of this outrage, committed on the sth, in consequence of which both guards have been since suspended, we are requested to Publish the following as an authentic account from an eye• witness : " On the sth instant, as the Tralce mail was en route to Limerick, it met the Limerick mail at the usual ren dezvous at ten minutes after twelve o'clock, within half a mile of Abbeyfeale, where one side of the road is thickly lined with white thorn bushes, capable of con cealinghs several hundreds of people. As the coaches asses quite ct a sudden, about from onc.hun ed.netdo one hundred and thirty armed men rushed from b athttaeehheedrp,raensedatsienizgeadt the ee same time at both ewsheircheratihaeyr, m a s, t ° ce li a c! sisting of single and double-barrelled . guns w c , u tt t i ; ling the pole of one of t he teathee 'wail bags, and the guards. Some of the parties were also hs b w u h si t l l y e e o n t h g r g s e , d presented arms, f i rmly demand, I guards' arms. After much entreaty on the part of the guard, and to save life, seeing they had no chance of a successful resistance, the party mounted the coaches, and took possession of the mail bags and arms. Thus satisfied, they proclaimed that they did not want to rob, but to stop all Government communications, cautioning them, at the same time, not to attempt to come that way the next day, or to mark the consequence. Several large bodies were seen at the same time on the banks of the river Feale, and on the surrounding hills, apparently as a reinforcement, all armed with different weapons."— Limerick Reporter. MR. DOHENY. It appears that the reason why bills are not sent to the grand jury of Tipperary against Mr. Doheny and his re cognizance, estreated, is to be found in the fact of his having, subsequent to the first offence, made himself amenable to the charge of high treason. The editor of the Tipperary Vindicator, who was one of Mr. Doheny's bail, says—" The most ridiculous and absurd rumours have gone abroad on this subject. In the first place it was confidently stated that the sureties were indemnified by the payment of their fines, and this was asserted before they could have been tried at all, and when this was seen to have been false by the fact that no bills were exhibited, and that no estreat was demanded, it was con fidently stated that Mr. Doheny had become a spy for the Government, and that he was actually lodged in the Castle giving information against his brother insur gents. We believe we may state the last report is just as true as the first, and t. gunny valuable." Mr. Doheny—to use a vulgar, but expressive, Irishism—" has brought his pigs to a very bad market." He was treasurer to the Corporation of Cashel, from which he derived an income or salary of 2501. a year. The Corporation, however, have appointed another gentleman to the office, in the person of Mr. John Coman. THE HARVEST.—THE WEATHER. The rain is still falling in torrents. The potato crop is now despaired of; and, indeed, it is admitted on all hands, that the late plantings—that is to say, the main crops—are completely lost. Government is now having printed at the Queen's printers here, for the information of Parliament, reports from the poor-law inspectors of the 32 counties. All these, I regret to say, concur in opinion as to the dangerous state of the potato crop a fortnight ago. When the majority of these reports were prepared the disease had only appeared in some districts. It is now universal. The mere loss of the po tato, however, is not the only or the greatest danger with which we are threatened. The corn crops in the early districts are already rotting on the ground, and unless favourable weather sets in directly the entire pro duce will be destroyed. RAILWAY INTELLIGENCE. EASTERN COUNTIES. The usual half-yearly meeting of this company was bold yesterday at the London Tavern, Bishopsgate street. There was a very large attendance of share holders on the occasion. The chair was taken at one o'clock, by Mr. Hud son, M.P. The advertisement convening the meeting having been read, and a resolution for affixing the seal of the com pany to the registered list of proprietors having been adopted, Mr. RONEY, the secretary of the company, read the following report of the directors : " The directors beg to announce a dividend of Bs. per share of 201. each of the consolidated stock of the COM piny for the half-year ending the 4th of July last. " The:B Quarters of the York extension shares come in for dividend, for the first time, this half-year ; making the number of shares on which such dividend is payable 287,121. " The usual half-yearly reports have been received from the resident engineer and from the locomotive su perintendent. The permanent way, stations, &c., are in a satisfactory state, and the company's stock, en gines, carriages, &c., are in a most effective condition for carrying on the increasing traffic upon the line. " The Maldon, Witham, and Braintree Railway will be open for goods traffic on the 15th instant, and for passenger traffic on the Ist of next month. The Enfield and Edmonton line will be completed in the course of the autumn. With the exception of the line of 12 miles in length between Dereham and Fakenham, and the completion of the Lowestoft harbour, contracted for by the Norfolk Railway Company, and continued by this company, the directors have no other works in pro gress. " The directors have received notice from the Great Northern Railway Company that the northern portion of their line of railway will be open for traffic at the end of September. Arrangements of a satisfactory 4 character have been made for the use of the Peterbo rough station by that company, and for the establish ment of through rates, both for passengers and goods, to and from the Eastern Counties line to the station of the Great Northern and of the East Lincolnshire Com panies. " Subjoined are the usual statements of account, made up to the 4th of July last:— STATEMENT OF RECEIPTS AND DISBURSEMENTS ON CONSTRUCTION ACCOUNT, FROM JANUARY 5, 1846, TO JULY 4, 1848. RECEIPTS. To receipts for shares, &c., to the 4th of January, 1848, as reported to the general meeting, February 26,1848: ..- Further receipts, viz.— On original shares On extension stock, No. 2 ... On new shares ... On York extensions .. . From Northern and Eastern and Eastern Counties proprietors, to equalize shares Six per cent. stock .. ... ... To loans ... Disuu RS EILEI4;TS. C. s. d 6,576,214 15 10 210 0 0 35,244 13 4 8,132 0 41 115;251 1:) S 1,970 12 0 341,519 0 0 7,0;8,542 16 io 866,274 10 8 7,944,817 7 s. By expenses to the 4th of January, 1845, as reported to general meeting, February 26, 1848 ... 7,297,241 8 3 Further payments, viz.— For land and compensation and atten dant expenses For Parliamentary expenses, Session 1846 For surveys, plans, sections, &c. For works and stations generally ... For rails, chairs, sleepers, points and crossings, sidings, &c. • • ••• For locomotive engines, carriages, trucks, horse-boxes, &c. . . For proportion of travelling and office expenses, salaries, direction, adver tising, &c., chargeable to capital, dur ing the construction of new lines ... For engineering For solicitors, for general business, law charges, &c. For interest paid on loans, bond stamps, &c. ••• ••• For Stratford and Thames Junction and North Woolwich Railways ... For Maldon, Witham, and Braintree Railway • • ••• ••• ••• For Wisbeach, St. Ives, and Cambridge Junction Railway ... ••• For Enfield and Edmonton Railway ... For arrears of interest paid on York extension shares, and loss on shares Balance 3,597 4 1 18,716 15 3 5,596 9 tl 69,110 2 9 8,068 7 8 67,545 14 4 1,265 3 4,569 7 3,058 13 3 21,656 0 0 1,923 11 6 39,286 18 3 53,079 14 7 12,399 9 0 59,773 18 5 277,928 $ 1 7,944,817 7 6 STATEMENT OF REVENUE ACCOUNT FOR THE HALF-YEAR ENDING JULY 4, 1848. riEBTOIL. £. a. d. .C. a. d. Te Traffic — Passengers •. 177,632 14 0 Horses, carriages, and dogs ... Parcels .. Mails ... Goods and cattle Coal Net earnings from cartage ... 4,813 5 7 ... 8,055 11 8 ... 5,669 7 7 ... 124,597 12 2 ... 1,417 1 10 ... 6,039 17 8 Interest on arrears of calls, Ise... Transfer fees, &c.... ••• ... •.• Rent of refreshment •rooms, book stands, &c. .• ••• ••• ••• Rent from London and North-Western Company, Black wall wharf, coal arches, &C. ... ... ... ." CREDITOR. X. B. d. 328,225 11 6 4,028 4 5 375 16 3 By maintenance of way and works — Six months' repairs of line ... Repairs of stations ... 325 0 0 9,319 19 6 342,274 11 It a. d. 121,918 16 8 59,485 1 8 7,011 19 5 22,396 4 4 17,039 5 4 432 16 0 1,530 5 6 2,456 10 8 556 1 0 1,586 7 3 450 0 0 3,367 4 8 242 1 7 129,472 14 1 20,073 9 11 46,448 18 9 146,279 8 11 342,274 11 8 L 8. d. 10,563 11 10 146,279 8 11 156,843 0 0 37,950 9 0 The Cnsutzseri said he had now to more— That the report of the directors now read and the accounts annexed thereto be adopted, end that the divi dt nd of Bs. per share be paid on and after the Ch of September next." Mr. PRICE inquired how the number of shares (stated at 287,121) was arrived at? The CHAIRMAN said that the whole number of shares issued was 294,348, but there were 7,000 shares yet to come in for registry, and the directors merely produced to-day the list of shares actually registered. Shares were issued of which no register was taken, and parties might come in and register or not, as they pleased. He had no objection to put down in the next report how these shares were created, and how they were placed. A SHAREHOLDER wished to know what were th• arrears of calls on all the shares? . _ -- The CHAIRMAN was not able to say, bat thought that the arrears could not be mor• than 40,0001. In reply to a SHAREHOLDIM who inquired whether th accounts had been audited, . -- TheeHAIR;AN said they had been audited by the di rectors. Ile had a resolution, however, to propose, ap pointing two auditor?. A SHAREHOLDER having remarked upon the large item for Parliamentary and law charges, The CHAIRMAN said that every company had been saddled with these expenses lately. This was a subject upon which he never could speak with patience, and he had done what he could on the different lines with which he was connected to use the pruning knife, and reduce these expenses. There were some surveys still in dis pute, but the directors were getting in every account as fast as they could, and wished to clear off their liabilities as much as possible. During the last session some little expenses had been incurred in opposing the Hitchin and Cambridge line, and their opposition had been to a con siderable extent successful. They had compelled that company to stop seven miles abort of Cambridge, and to make use of their railway if they got the r re. It would have been most unjust to the Eastern Counties Company to have made two lines from Cambridge to London, and all the Parliamentary expenses incurred this year were in opposing that project. The directors could not always get their bills in, and could not always pay them when they did.—(A laugh.) Until they got the guaran teed stock the directors were obliged to borrow money among themselves. It watl utterly impossible to wind up all the accounts of such a large concern in a few months. They could not expect to get over without some expenses in Parliamentary Committees, when other companies were spending 400,0001. or 500,0001. under this head. A SHAREHOLDER—What other accounts are there to settle? The CHAIRMAN—There was a large surveyor's bill, and a dispute as to the amount to be paid by the three companies. The company had also a dispute with their former engineer, and there was along account with that gentleman, which had become the subject of a reference. The directors would use every economy and save every penny they could. If while other companies had been spending such sums as he had mentioned that company had not made some exertions to maintain their position, the shareholders would have had reason to complain— (Hear, hear)—and although the affairs of the company were under some depression, frcan circumstances which no human foresight could: anticipate or control, yet as the population and commerce of the country increased, and as new facilities were provided for meeting the wants of the public, if they would only go on steadily and quietly, he had no doubt , they would recover them selves and place themselves in such a position as to re alize the expectations of their proprietors. He did not know whether there was a single line that they had con structed which they ought not to have constructed. They ought perhaps to have taken a little longer time over them, and if they could have foreseen the French revolu tion, the potato disease, and a few such matters—(A laugh)—it would no doubt have been better that they should have folded their arms and waited a little more patiently.—(Bear.) A SHAREHOLDER moved as an amendment that the dividend be paid clear of income-tax. The Culumen thought the proprietors had better wait and see the result of another half-year's working.— (Hear, hear.) The payment of the income-tax by the company would take from 3,0001. to 4.0001., and although there was a balance which would allow of that being done, it was alwayi awkward to go down in their dividend. He had no reason to suppose that such would be the case in the neat half-year, and he could tell them for their encouragement that although they had such 1 bad weather in the south, there had not been a shower for the last week in the north.—(Hear, hear.) The di rectors had scarcely been in a position until now properly to look at their expenditure, but the result of their doing so had been that they had determined to discon tinue some of their long trains between Cambridge and London, and to run Ave trains a day instead of seven or eight. Probably about October next they would discon tinue two long trains a day, and save altogether about 6,000 miles of engine running during the week, which would enable them to effect a material saving in firemen, enginemen, in wear and tear, and in coke. He should like to see these matters practically carried out, and in the meanwhile his advice was that the dividend of Bs. should be paid as last year, subject to the income-tax.—(Ap- plause.) The directors, however, had no wish on the matter if the majority of the shareholders should be of a different kind. The CHAIRMAN then put the amendment, that the dividend be paid clear of income-tax, which was nega tived by a very large majority. The original motion was then put and carried unanimously, amid much applause. The CHAIRMAN moved the next resolution, that Mr. James Peel:, of Finsbury-square, and Mr. James Reeves, of Leyton, Essex, be appointed auditors, and that an allowance of 201. per year be made to those gentlemen for their service: , . A SHAREHOLDER complained of the accommodation provided at the Colchester station, and inquired whether the directors did not propose to improve this station? The CHAIRMAN said that he for one was determined to stop laying out money until he saw the proprietors better paid for their investments.—(Applause.) lie would go down and look at the Colchester station, and any little additional accommodation he ahoud not mind, but any considerable outlay he would decidedly object to. In reply to a question from Mr. PRICE, The CHAIRMAN said, the six per cent. guaranteed stock had not been sold, and it would be absurd to sell it now. When sold it would be for the benefit of the com pany. The directors did not expect the present gloomy times to continue, and until they met the proprietors again they had no intention of bringing this stock into the market.—(Applause.) The motion for the appointment of the auditors was, after a short conversation, passed unanimously. A SHAREHOLDER asked whether there was any pros pect of the Harwich line being made ? Mr. WADpINGTON said that depended upon the Eastern Union Railway Company ; but in the existing state of the money market he thought it was not likely to be male at present. Mr. BAGSIIAWE—It will be commenced within 10 days. A SHAREHOLDER inquired whether there was any, and what, engagement entered into with the Newmarket Company ? The CHAIRMAN, when he had recommended the lease with this company, understood that the capital required to complete the line would be about 400,0001. On going into the question, however, he found it would be consi derably more than this sum, and he thereupon said that he would not carry out the arrangement, and that no agreement should be made without the sanction of the proprietors.—(Loud applause.) The bet was, the Newmarket line was not so much a line of revenue as of protection, and prevented any other com pany from getting into Norwich. The basis of the ar rangement proposed was for them (the Eastern Counties) to take about 200,000/. at 3 per cent. for two years, and the Newmarket line would then be entitled to a dividend of 3} per cent. in perpetuity, except the mortgage debt, which the Eastern Counties would take and deal with as with their own stock. The whole arrangement would be, however, submitted to the shareholders before an agreement was entered into. Mr. BAGEHAWE should be very sorry if any misstate• ment went forth to the world relative to the Harwich line, in consequence of the erroneous assertion of his Bon. Friend Mr. Waddington. Heretofore that com pany had taken an interest in the Harwich branch, but it bad been conceded to the Eastern Union Company, who were to take it when completed on a revenue of 4 per cent. Every acre of land between Manningtree (where the line was to leave the Eastern Union) and Harwich necessary to construct the railway had been purchased, the line was staked out, and he believed that it would be commenced within ten days. Mr. WADDINGTON—And when will it be completed? Mr. BAGSHAWE—The money has all been raised to make the line. eAwmSal;kAeittECn o or p E a ß n -;-- b W e ilde shortlythearrang ? ement_ with the N The CHAIRMAN — Yes; probably in few days. In reply to a question respectcinopgmtha). e n , arrangement with the Great Northern Railway The CHAIRMAN said the Great Northern Railway Company would c ome using eirl t i line until iuttrnatthffii lecyt hwAtsh.toiucrhladilwwpiaanyyt way was completed , and when 661. 13s. 4 d. per cent. to them for over the The Great r G e r ta em in t in N g ort th h e er o n the w r ou 3 l 3 d l . c6os.mBed,inftoor ex a pcnsea. Eastern Counties station at Peterborough, and until the main line was finished they would come to London upon e n a e nc re ateis o rm fth t e n their (the Eastern Counties) line. They vfou id also use a portion of the Midland Railway, and pay the seine per ventage to that coms:::oknnys line. Rt attention o m n o vteod the rote poafnyth, concerns, simi lar acknowledgment of the services of h . for hie G at is brother di rectors. Mr. CASH was anxious to second this proposition , were it only that be might have s a ta n te o m pp e o n r t t m un a i d t) e r b o y f et the pressing his satisfaction with one chairsaan—viz., that it was his determination not to spend more money than was absolutely necessary.—(Hear, hear.) Ile hoped this example would be followed by other Companies; for nothing had contributed. to bring about the present unfortunate position of railway pro perty so much as extravagant expenditure.—(Hoar, hear.) On that ground alone, although he fully con curred with the mover as to the information given by the Chairman, he had great pleasure in seconding the motion. The motion was carried by acclamation. The CHAIRMAN said—Gentlemen, I cannot allow you to separate without thanking you for the very kind manner in which you have received the resolution just passed. We may have been disappointed, we may have been too sanguine in our expectations, but I assure you that no exertion will ibe spared on our parts to bring this great undertaking to a result which will be satisfactory to you all.—(Applause.) Gentlemen, but for my anxiety to meet you to-day, it would have been my mournful duty to pay the tribute dae to departed worth in following to the tomb the re mains of my respected friend, Mr. Georg e St e p h enson -- a man whose genius has benetite4 net the richQply but ... 11,918 19 8 999 17 0 Locomotive power — Working engines ... 14,261 $ 7 Repairing engines ... 18,334 6 5 Coke and coal for engines 25,873 9 8 Water for engines ... 65 16 6 Salaries to superinten dents, &c. ... 950 0 6 Coach and waggon repairs and altera- tions - _ Coaching department, including salaries to clerks, wages to porters and guards, clothing, stores, &c. .. ... ... Goods department, salaries, wages, stores, kc...• ••• Stores department, wages, kc. Coals for stations Gas .•• Insurance ••• •• ••• Office charges, salaries, &c. ••• Direction .. Ad ver tising, stationery , a nd printing ... Miscellaneous charges ... R a t e s and taxes ... 11,886 17 6 Government duty ... 7,u02 2 8 Compensation for casual ties, eikc. 1,181 9 9 Interest on extension stock 1 and 2 .. Balance ... ... .•".. .. To balance to 4th January, 1848, after pay ing dividend ... •• ••• To balance brought down •,• Interest to Northern and East ern Railway Company ... 31,950 9 Net earning, two months' receipts Norfolk Railway ... 6,000 0 For half-year's divideutl to 4tll July, 1545 1.18,42 11 3