The Sun. — London, England, 1848-08-25 00:00:00

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He, how ever, was rejoiced to see that so many llon. Members had not only outlived the fatigues of the session, but that in endeavenring to prove their mental and bodily vigour, they had given a sort of rally to the session which would otherwise decline.—(Laughter.) He hoped he might see them equally vigorous and ardent in the discharge of their legislative functions after the fatigues o' the recess at the beginning of next session. —(Hear, hear.) Ministers had been taunted with postponing • her measure's, and now bringing this on. But they had invariably replied to questions on the subject that t was their intention to go on with it. They were then told that by persisting in that intention they were con cocting some deep scheme, some mysterious mischief, some hidden purpose. Such things existed only in the imagination of Hon. Gentlemen—certainly not in the in tention of the Government. They were told that they were more solicitous about railroads in Italy than the interests of Ireland. Now, what he said upon that sub • ject was simply that, considering the growing impor tance of the commerce of Italy, it was desirable we should enter into permanent relations with that country, and with every other throughout the world. 'rho Hon. Member for Youghal said we could do with the present law, and the Hon. Member for Stafford quoted several cases in which diplomatic intercourse had been carried on between the two countries. That was precisely the case of the Government, who contended that the very necessity of things compelled us to establish an inter. Source with the Court of R me, by avowed and acknow ledged channels, instead of having a great country like this driven into holes and corners, and obliged to do stealthily what it would be more becoming to do openly. --(Hear, hear.) With regard to the assertion that this Bill would tend, he knew not how, to put the Pope under such restraint as was imposed by Napoleon, so that whatever he did would be under duress, he could only say that both the late Pope and the present bad expressed a desire to have diplomatic relations esta blished between this country and Rome. Those Pro testants, therefore, who raised that objection showed themselves more Papist than the Pope himself. — (Laughter.) Indeed, :the late Pope never allowed the opportuning of receiving any distinguished Englishman to pass without expressing his regret at the want of di plomatic relations between the two countries. They were net likely, therefore, to do any violence to the Pope by this measure, which he hoped the House would pass, as simply enabling us to hold that political inter- Course with Rome which we hold with every other coun try, whether Christian or Mahomedan.—(Hear, hear, and cries of " Divide.") Mr. GORING moved the adjournment of the debate. Mr. ANSTEY explained that his distinction was this that under the present law we could have diplomatic re lations with the Popo of Rome as a temporal but not as a spiritual sovereign, and therefore this Bill in his opi nion was brought in to enable Ministers to ,establish in seine shape or other spiritual relations between them selves and the see of Rome. Mr. BRIGHT said the Bill had not one feature in it which any rational man could object to unless that which compelled the Pope not to send an ecclesiastic to this country, which was just the very thing he would not have done if left to himself. Honourable Gentlemen ought either to let this Bill pass, or take upon themselves the responsibility of the Government of the country. Captain HARRIS declined to put himself under the generalship of the Honourable Member for Youghall— (A. laugh)—and thought that if they put off this measure to next session, they would only then get a worse one. The House then divided on the question of adjouring the debate, when there appeared— Ayes Noes Majority.. —7l Mrs FORBES made an ineffectual attempt to address the House amidst cries of " Spoke." Captain VYSE moved that the House do adjourn (as he subsequently discovered he had done, that Mr. Forbes might be heard). Lord J. RUSSELL observed that the Hon. and Learned Member (Mr. Napier), who said he would op pose but not obstruct the Bill, had, with a due regard to his own character, left the House. Mr. FORBES then reiterated the objections he had made to the Bill at the early sitting, and Mr. SPOONER rose to address the House, when Sir G. GREY interposed, and expressed a hope that Ron. Members would pay a substantial regard to the rules of the House by not speaking twice in the same debate. The Hon. Member (Mr. Forbes) had again made the speech which he had delivered in the morn ing, and he supposed the Hon. Member for Birmingham rose to do so too.—(A laugh.) He wished to offer no obstacle to full and free discussion, but he thought it rather too great an infringement on the rules of the House for Hon. Members to deliver precisely the same speech at 12 o'clock at night that they had made at 12 o'clock the same day.—(Hear, hear.) Capt. VYSE begged to say that he in no way desired to offend against the rules of the House, or offer any factious opposition to the Bill. He had moved the ad journment of the House to give his Hon. Friend (Mr. b Forb es ) an opportunity of speaking , conceivin g that e Was about to throw a new light on the subject. House, and SPOONER persiste d in addressin g the and denied that he wa s actin g in a factious spirit by doing so; and that he was only exercising a constitu tional privilege and discharging his duty. from which he would not shrink. After a short conversation, Captain VYSE withdrew his motion for the adjourn ment of the House, and a division took place upon the main question ;when the numbers were— For going into Committee Against it Majority 77 The House then went into Committee on the Bill. Mr. ANSTEY moved a verbal amendment on the second clause, to omit the words " Notwithstanding any thing contained in the Acts now • force it would be," and to in sert t h e words " it is;" 1 s;' n ' the effect of which would be to render the law declaratory that it was the law of the l an d to hold relations with the Pope, as Lord Campbell had expressed his opinion in a speech made on the 11th of May, 1846. Lord J. RUSSELL said that Lords Cottenham and Campbell no doubt thought it to be lawful, but considered it advisable to remove all doubts. Lord Campbell had pronounced a very different opinion to that quoted by the Hon. Member the other night. The gallery was then cleared, but the amendment was negatived without a division. On its re-opening, Captain HARRIS reminded the House that the Pope might cease to be a temporal prince without ceasing to be the spiritual head of the catholic church of Rome. lie moved the exclusion of the words "court of Rome." Lord PALMERSTON did not understand that the words " court of Rome " were intended to apply to the spiritual jurisdiction of the Popc• Mr. HENLEY suggested that the words " Sovereign of the Roman states" be inserted instead of the words "court of Rome." Lord PALMERSTON said he had no objection to the alteration ; and Capt. HARRIS withdrew his amendment. Mr. C. PEARSON said he understood the object of this Bill was to remove doubts, and that it might do this more effectually he would move the insertion, at the end of the first clause, of the words " touching and concern ing international, civil, commercial, and political rela tions between her Majesty, her heirs, and suc• oessors, and the sovereign for the time being of the Roman states." This would prevent the application of the diplomatic intercourse to any religious matters. He had heard with some surprise that at this moment ar rangements were going on with the Sovereign of the Roman states for partitioning this country into Roman Catholic bishoprics. This would probably be the pre lude to a proposal for the endowment of the Roman Catholic clergy. If ever such a measure were sanc tioned, it ought to be originated in this House, and not by diplomatic arrangements. Believing, as he did, that the interference of the State with the Church was un lawful and dangerous to all parties, he was convinced that the existing union of the State with the Protestant Church would not now be sanctioned if we were found ing a constitution; it was merely tolerated as a thing of long existence, which it would be difficult to put an end to. The payment of the Roman Catholic clergy by the state would be an additional link in the chain con necting the civil and ecclesiastical power ; and he was therefore anxious to guard against any pretext for such an arrangement b e i ng f urn i s h e d by t hi s Bill. The Noble Lord opp os it e (P a l merston ) having contemplated ly stated that political o bj ects on ly were this Bill, he could not reason a bly re f use th e adoption by this amendment. He (Mr. Pearson) was anxious to guard against the payment of the Roman Catholic clergy being made the condition of certain countervailing advantages to be given to Government, in the represen tation, for instance, of Lambeth. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the words pro posed to be added would produce only an injurious effect. The words "diplomatic intercourse" were well understood to mean such intercourse us was held with the Court of Prussia, Austria, or any other Government. Questions might arise not coming within any of the four descriptions embraced in the Hon. Member's amendment. Take, for instance, the measure referred to by the Hon. Member—the division of this country into bishoprics. He might clearly do this at present ; but atter the pass . ing of this Bill, with the amendment proposed, the Go vernment could offer no opposition to such a proposal. Neither could they interpose in favour of the religious liberty of residents in Rome professing the Protestant faith ; for such interference would not come within the definition of diplomatic intercourse proposed by the lion. Member for Lambeth. Mr. ANSTEY saw no ground for objecting to the amendment, unless there was some unavowed object behind which this Bill was expected to serve. If the Noble Lord at the head of the Government really meant to deal fairly with the House and the country, and to conceal nothing as to the real aims and objects of this measure, he would signify his assent to the amendment. In order that the subject might be fully considered he (Mr. Anstey) would move that the Chairman now report progress, and ask leave to bit again. —(No, no; divide.) Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL concurred with the Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal, and thought the Bill was intended to interfere with the spiritual rights and reli gious privileges of the Roman Catholic population of this country. Mr. BRIGHT opposed the amendment, and thought that if the Bill was altered as now proposed, it would be better to reject it altogether. Sir R. E. INGLIS was of opinion that the words of the amendment, if applied to a measure for establishing diplomatic relations with any other sovereign than the .t'ope, would involve a truism, and were therefore sur plusage. Lord PALMERSTON thought the amendment would, If carried, be productive of great inconvenience from the refinement of construction which would be put on its terms. The Hon. Baronet (Sir R. H. Inglis) had some years since applied to him (Lord Palmerston) to make a representation to the Government of Savoy in fa vour of the religion of the Vaudois, and afterwards to. interfere with, SWitwerlaud to prevent ,interferenee NTHE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, AUGUST 25, 1848. with the religion of some Scotch residents there. Would the Hon. Baronet define this interference in either of these cases as political, international, civil, or commercial? Sir R. H. INGLIS replied that with respect to the interference on behalf of the Vaudois, he had asked it under a treaty with the Government of Savoy, which reserved to England the right of intervention. In Switeerland, the right to worship according to their own tenets had been conceded to the Scottish residents. But what was at present the case in Rome ? Why, the British subjects professing the same religion as her Ma jesty had not been able to obtain permission from the favoured Sovereign of the Roman States to have a build ing appropriated to religious worship, bnt were oblige d to resort for that purpose to a granary outside the city of Rome. In answer to a question put by Col. THOMPSON, Lord PALMERSTON said that if the Pope ceased to be Sovereign of the Roman States, and that they should either be taken by Austria or become a republic, there was no law to prevent her Majesty establishing diplo matic relations with them—it was only because the Pope was the Sovereign that this measure was necessary. Sir D. L. EVANS, alluding to the complaints of the British subjects: resident at Rome, of the refusal of a place of worship, said that the way to get that evil re dressed was to pass this Bill. After a few words from Mr. Drummond (Surrey) and Mr. Newdegate, in support of the amendment, and from Mr. Macgregor against it, Mr. REYNOLDS said it was difficult for an unlearned person like him to understrnd what the Bill was. The Hon. and Learned Member for the University of Dublin said it was a Bill to make railways in Italy.—(Laughter.) The Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal said that the Bill would interfere with the independence of the Roman Catholic Church, and others again said it was a blow at the Protestant Church. He believed it was a measure calculated to get rid of the bigoted and exclu sive legislation of former cloys. He was sure that there was no danger in this Bill either to the Roman Catholic or Protestant Church.—(Hear, hear.) Hon. Gentlemen said that this was a Protestant country. He denied that. One-third of the population were Roman Catholic, and at least another third were Dissenters. He looked upon the measure as a proof of the march of enlightenment and toleration.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. ROBINSON did not see, if this Bill contemplated merely political relations with the Court of Rome, what objection there could be to the insertion of the words proposed. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but no division took place, the motion for reporting progress having been postponed. After a few words from Mr. ANSTEY, The Committee divided on Mr. Pearson's amendment, when there appeared— For the amendment 3O Against it Maj0rity.......... —6o Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL moved that the words "So vereign Pontiff" be added to the clause. He wished to bring out the fact whether they would refuse to the Pope the title by which he was generally recognised. Mr. H. DRUMMOND was surprised that the Hon. Gentleman should wish for the head of his Church a title which was applied to all the pagan priests.—(Laughter.) The Committee divided, when there appeared— For the amendment 8 Against it lO4 Majority —96 The clause was then agreed to. Mr. SPOONER moved that the Chairman report pro gress, which was agreed to. POSTAGE ON NEWSPAPERS (CHANNEL ISLANDS). The House went into Committee on this subject. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the object of the resolution, on which to found a Bill, was to check a gross fraud that was at present carried on in the Channel Islands. Papers printed in those islands were free from the stamp duty, the advertisement duty, and the postage duty, and advantage was taken of this circumstance to print papers there with a view to circulation in this country. In one case 20,000 copies of a paper printed in the Welsh language were sent into Wales. This was not only a gross fraud on the revenue, but it was subjecting the newspaper proprietors in this country to unfair competition. The resolution was agreed to, and the House resumed, and adjourned at a Quarter past Two. ROUSE OF LORDS, August 24. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool sack at Five o'clock. The Petty Bag-office Bill was read a second time. The Commons Inclosure Bill passed through Com- mittee. The Stock-in-Trade Exemption from Rates Bill was read a third time and passed. The Out-pensioners Bill was read a third time and passed. - The Borough Incorporations Bill was read a third time and passed. The Commons amendments to the Payment of Debts out of Real Estates Bill were agreed to. Lord DENMAN presented a petition from Jamaica, praying their Lordships to continue to the planters of that island the protection which they had hitherto en joyed against slave-grown sugar as the most effectual method of discouraging slavery. VANCOUVER'S ISLAND. Lord MONTE AGLE then rose to move for certain papers relating to the grant of Vancouver's Island to the Hudson's Bay Company. • Vancouver's Island was situated in a temperate climate, was fertile, was rich in mineral products, and possessed some of the finest harbours in the world. From its geographical position it would eventually become the emporium of the trade between China and Ame rica and Europe, and this island it was proposed to grant to the Hudson's Bay Company.. He was astonished to find that his Noble Friend had con sented to this grant, because his Noble Friend had been the first to enunciate the principle that colonial lands should never be granted, but should always be sold, and yet he proposed to grant Vancouver's Island to the Hudson's Bay Company. This island had valu able veins of coal beneath its surface, and the whole of this territory, 250 miles long, and from 30 to 40 miles wide, with its coal mines and -its harbours, was to be granted to this company. without any provisions being made for the colonization or for the government of this island. The IludSdn'i Bay Company was of all companies the one the most unfitted to undertake any scheme of colonization. The Noble Lord then proceeded at great length to detail the history of the company from its original in stitution in 1670 up to the present time, and contended that all its measures tended to discourage colonization. Circumstances were fast tending to render this island of the utmost value, for as it was the only place along the whole western coast of America where coal was found, its possession must ensure the command of the whole steam navigation of the Pacific, and consequently in a great measure also of the commerce between America and the opposite coasts of Asia. He anticipated that the Noble Lord would say that this grant of Van couver's, Island to the Hudson's Bay Company was to prevent its falling into the hands of any foreign power— an argument which assumed bad faith on the part of a friendly power, as well as a fear of our own want of means to resist aggression. He, however, contended that it was the most ingenious mode of securing a quarrel with either Russia or America, to cede this island to any mere commercial company. By leaving the country under the care of this company it would either cease to have any effectual protection against foreign aggression, or we should find ourselves involved in continual quarrels originated by this trading company. The Noble Lord concluded by moving for papers re lating to a grant of Vancouver's Island to the Hudson's Bay Company. ; Earl GREY said if the Noble Lord, with all his acuteness and ingenuity, had failed to acquire accurate information as to the real nature of the proposed ar rangements, it might be expected that others might be equally ignorant, and, therefore, he proposed to state in a few words the case. In the first place, he did not agree with the Noble Lord that Vancouver's Island was a place unfit or undesireable for colonization; on the con trary, it was because he believed in its importance that he had advised the Crown to adopt this arrangement. In the next place he held it to be certain that if we were not to:take measures for securing the colonization, in a regular manner, of this island, it would inevitably be irregularly occupied by squatters from the United States. Indeed, he had only recently heard that the Mormonites driven from their homes in the United States, were planning a settlement there. There fore, he apprehended that some measures for the colonization of this island was necessary.—(Hear, hear.) But were the finances of this country in a state to warrant a vote of 150,0001 , with all subsequent charges, for that purpose? He apprehended that they were not ; and, as, therefore, it was hopeless to expect that the state could directly undertake the colonization of the island, the arrangement with the Hudson's Bay Com pany appeared to him the best that could be made. He was prepared to defend it on its merits. He did not be lieve that the Hudson's Bay Company could expect to get more than a fair remuneration for their outlay of capital. It was true that the land of the island was fertile and good ; but the best land was of no value, commercially speaking, unless it were settled and cul tivated. The island was granted to the company: they would dispose of it in small lots to settlers; and the money to be so received would be applied to the pur poses of colonization. This was no new principle; r it had etd been o r adopted complained wt h the f the New advantageous Zealand Company.term terms on which the coal of the island was to go to the company. But the company did not propose to work the mines t themselves ; they would lease them he t r o oy o a th lt e i r es. pa A rti n e d s : and they would only have with regard to the government of the future colony, it would be provided for as elsewhere, by the appointment of a governor by the Crown, with a Legislative Assembly elected by the settlers, and a Legislative Council nominated by the Crown, or its re presentative. This proposed arrangement, which was in accordance with constitutional law as regarded the colo nies, entirely got rid of any objections on the score of an undue monopoly of trade and commerce by the Hud son's Bay Company. The new colonists would be en titled to trade on equal terms with the rest of the world. As far as the Hudson's Bay Company were concerned, they would of course be bound to submit to the rights of that company in their own territories. In 1859, when the charter of the Hudson Bay Company expired, the Crown would have the power of resuming this grunt, on paying to the Hudson Bay Company the amount they night have expended in improvements, and in other re spects in carrying out the objects of the Crown in making the grant. He thought, therefore, that the Government had taken all due guarantees for the preservation of the rights of the Crown and the protection of the interests of the future colonists.—(Hear. hear.) His Noble Friend complained that the Hudson's Bay Company were not fit to be entrusted with the powers given to them by this gra4t. 13at be4des that ho did not agree in the objections raised to the general conduct of the Hudson's Bay Company. He must remind the House that the Hudson's Bay Company were the only persons who would or could come forward with the ne cessary capital, and organization near at hand, for car rying on the work of colonization in Vancouver's Island. And it should also be remembered that the Hudson's Bay Company's interests would have been seri ously affected had others been allowed to colonise the island; and, considering the powers and immunities which had been granted heretofore to the company they would have had a fair claim for compensation had the Government allowed the island to be colonised from America. If there were parties anxious to spend their money in colonization, they might go to Australia, to New Zealand, or to Port Natal, rather than attempt to expend their efforts at Vancouver's Island, where they must necessarily come in contact with a company pos sessing a superior organization for the purpose. He did not agree in the objection that the practice of the com pany was unfavourable to colonization. As well might it be said, that because a Noble Lord had a large deer forest in one part of Scotland he was opposed to rural civilisation all over the rest of the country. He had heard much of these charges against the company ; but he must say that the effect of the information he had re ceived was, that the company had exercised the great exclusive powers entrusted to them for the real benefit of the Indians. The Noble Lord proceeded to defend the company against the charges against them of having ne glected the moral and social advancement of the Indians, and of having pushed their powers to an extent wholly inconsistent with the intention with which they were originally given. On the one hand, he did not mean to say that the company, acting in the true spirit of monopoly had given the Indians a fair value for their furs; but, on the other hand, they had prevented the introduction of spirits among them.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord quoted the opinions of Lord Elgin and Colonel Crofton (who had commanded the troops at Red River) in favour of the company's administration of their government. Colonel Crofton also stated that the Indian tribes had increased steadily in numbers since the use of ardent spirits had been restricted by the company, and since the union of the North-West Company with the Hudson's Bay Com pany. On the other side there was the testimony of only a single person ; and he (Lord Grey) must say that he was not prepared to surrender the opinion of the Earl of Elgin and of Colonel Croften to that of Mr. Isbister. The Noble Earl concluded by stating that he had no intention of suspending the grant ; but, be fore it finally passed, it was intended to submit the sub ject to the Committee of Trade and Plantations, in order that, if there were any further conditions which could better secure the interests of the Government and of the future colonists, they might be imposed upon the company. Lord MONTEAGLE replied, and the motion was agreed to. CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR, in moving the second reading of this Bill, urged on the House that it was a measure which interfered with no rights, but only pro vided a machinery for inquiry where corrupt practices were proved to exist. The Noble and Learned Lord then proceed to state the general effect of the Bill. Lord REDESDALE hoped that their Lordships would come to the conclusion of not proceeding with this Bill this session. He wished, at the same time to avoid any appearance of discourtesy to the other House ; but he thought the subject was one too vast to be dealt with at this period of the session, when the attendance of Peers was at such a low ebb, and those Noble Lords on that side of the House to whom he looked for guidance and advice were absent. Assuming the principle of the Bill to be only that there should be an inquiry into cases of corrupt practices at elections, be was prepared to agree to the second read , ing, but he could not go the whole length of this mea sure as it had come up from the other House. He ob jected especially to the proposal to vest in a Commis sioner the arbitrary powers of inquiry, in cases whore corruption was alleged, that were given by this Bill. The Noble Lord, after stating that he should not oppose the second reading, said that he should move a resolution to the effect that while the House approved of the gene ral object of the measure, still they thought that it was inexpedient to proceed with it at this period of the ses sion; but they would be prepared to proceed with a measure on the subject next session. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—My Lords,' the course taken by the Noble Lord opposite places me in a situation of some embarrassment; because, considering the facts which have come to our knowledge, considering the state of things which this Bill was intended to cor rect, the corruption that prevails, and which has led to a virtual suspension of the constitution as regards the boroughs implicated, I did think, my Lords, that it was incumbent on us to aid in providing a remedy and a cor rection for such abuses. But, my Lords, at the same time I do not deny that there is much in what has fallen from the Noble Lord in favour of a suspension of the proceedings on this measure. But while I admit this, I must express a hope that we may be enabled to pursue such a course as will satisfy the public and the other House of Parliament that we are not indifferent to the importance of the subject or to the necessity of providing some remedy. Still, as it is most desirable that more time should be afforded for a consideration of the subject in this House, I am prepared to agree to the suggestion of my Noble Friend. Lord DENMAN had come down to oppose the Bill, which he considered to be lull of errors of every kind; but at the same time he agreed altogether that there ought to be some effectual punishment for corrupt prae tices at elections. The Duke of ARGYLL had also come down to oppose the further progress of the Bill this session, but was glad the Noble Marquis had acceded to the wish of the Noble Lord. The Bill was read a second time, and the resolution above referred to was moved by Lord REDESDALE, and agreed to. FISHERIES (IRELAND) BILL. _ _ . On the motion of the Marquis of CLANRICARDE, The House went into Committee on the Fisheries (Ire land) Bill. Lord MONTEAGLE opposed the Bill. Ho suggested the propriety at least of postponing the Bill until next year, as many Bills of greater importance had already been deferred, and particularly as it could not come into operation, if passed, until January, 1849. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE defended the mea sure, because the only means of rendering the poor and miserable fishermen prosperous, and their trade profit able, would be to preserve the salmon at proper seasons, and give them a good supply at those periods when there was a demand for that fish. After a few words from the Earl of GLENGALL, the clauses passed through Committee. The Parochial Debt and Audit Bill passed through Committee. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid on the table the report of the inspectors of factories and mines. The House then adjourned, at Half-past Eight o'clock. `THIRD READING OF THE PAR, THE INSURRECTION OF JUNE. We continue the publication of these interesting docu ments:— DEPOSITION OF M. JULES FAYRE (JULY 11). I know nothing of the events of the 15th of May, beyond having frequently spoken to M. de Lamartine of the police, which I found very badly managed. I had wished that a daily report should have - been made, but M. Lamartine had confidence in M. Caussidiere, and said that he would answer for him. On the 26th of February I was called on to fill a secondary post in the Ministry of the Interior. The Prefet de Police was or should have been under my orders ; but in reality that was an authority completely independent. I should never have accepted that post except upon the condition that M. Caussidiere, should not remain at the prefecture of police. That engagement was not kept. I confess that I did wrong to remain then in the Government. I had no power over M. Caussidiere, but he bad one far beyond mine. His system consisted on operating on the masses in the public streets, when he should meet with any oposition to his views. I never had any doubt of that. On the 17th March, I believed that the movement was a spontaneous one. I admired the imposing spectacle which we then had under our eyes. On this occasion the dis courses of M. Ledru Rollin all leant towards conciliation, and he himself spoke of causing the army to return to Paris. On the following day, I knew, beyond the power of doubt, that the whole had been prepared beforehand by the Prefet de Police, and that, in the night, the whole of the ateliers had been visited to forewarn and excite the work men. The intention might have been a good one, inasmuch as it was suspected that the National Guard was not suffi ciently republican. He did the same thing in April. On that day I thought that they really would have turned out. On the 16th of April, the movement, though less nume rous than in March, was very threatening". on account of the men who directed it, and the intentions which appeared to actuate them. This movement was known to me eight days before that time, and I learned that it was ori ginated to cause the disappearance of a portion of the members of the Government, in the bosom of which body difference and antipathies existed, which I have no need' to explain. But it has not been made clear to me that on the 16th April two or three members of the Provisional Govern ment were desirous of creating a pressure upon their col leagues by means of a manifestation. As I was advertised of the movement, I was bound to take measures. I caused M. Carteret to come to me, and I interrogated him upon the subject. Both to M. Carteret and to myself it was elearly demonstrated that the Prefecture of Police did not wish to do anything. It was the n th at M essrs . Landrin, Portalis, and myself entered into p our , par l er on the subject, and that we warned the Government. I h ave g iven in my resignation ten times. I have never assisted at the nocturnal councils at the Mi nistry of the Interior. What may have probably given rise to this rumour is the fact, that I sometimes saw M. Ledru Rollin in the evening after the immense labours of the day were over. M. Carteret and myself both saw him on the night of the 16th of April. M. Ledru Rollin gave us his word of honour that he had nothing to do with the move ment. He was afraid of being carried too far by it. In my opinion, I consider that the Government was in fault. So far as regards M. Ledru Rollin I have never seen anything in him beyond a lively pre-occupation upon the position of the Republic, as the elections had not been con formable to the spirit exhibited at Paris. As to Louis Blanc and Albert that is another matter al together. I have always believed that there was a system of conspiracy on their part. Carteret and I demanded the arrest of Blanqui. With them I found Louis Blanc and Al bert at the ministry; the former appeared much alarmed. Ledru-Rollin said that it was him who had given the order to beat the rappel. At the ministry I received a note from Ledru- Rollin, dated from the Hotel de Ville, which said— " All is calm ; the people are defiling without disorder." After having heard that proclamation of such a nature as to have made them seizable had been placarded, I ad dressed reproaches to Caussidiere, and declared to him that I had demanded his recal. Caussidiere turned the thing into a joke. Generous and weak, Ledru-Rollin has been imprudent,but never culpable; he has received men who might have com promised him, and who asked nothing better than to take up arms and overturn the Government. His own ideas have never been that way, he bad given his word of honour. In asking the authority to prosecute everybody, something very suspicious was done, and Ledru-Rollin did not hesitate to add his authority to it. As regards the attitude to be taken on the question of the National Assembly, I thought, for my part, that it was ne cessary to approach the subject with well-considered projets de lois. Messrs. Ledru Rollin and Lamartine were of a dif ferent opinion. The question of the composition of an exe cutive commission was also agitated. This formed the sub ject of a lively controversy, in which I maintained that this commission ought to be a sort of compromise. Ledru Rollin looked upon Caussidiere, being a prefet de police in regular times as an impossibility, but that it was a necessity in a period of revolution. He flattered himself that he could govern him, whilst Caussidiere on his part said, " Oh, as to Ledru Rollin, I will start him when I wish it," a saying as absurd as it was ungrateful, after the pecuniary ser vices rendered to Caussidiere by Ledru Rollin, and the nomi nation of the former to the prefecture of police. Caussidiere is a very artful and very dangerous man. It was wished to dismiss him on the evening of the 15th of May, and to cause him to be arrested; but the difficulty in doing so was very great, by reason of the warlike preparations made at the Prefecture of Police. He came on the night between the 15th and 16th. I was, for my part, perfectly resolved to overthrow him. Caussidiere spoke for twenty minutes, and left us all in a state of uncertainty. Messrs. Arago and Marie were the only ones who voted for his arrest. He had always the same finesse. I have no difficulty in acknowledging that I have drawn up several of the circulars which have made so much noise. I drew up the first of them, which was somewhat modified and strengthened by M. Ledru-Rollin. It should have been secret. The words so much criticised, "unlimited powers," pouvoirs illimite, were nothing more than an exact transla tion of the verbal instructions given from the commencement to the commissaries. For instance, Manuel Arago conceived that he had power, and that even extended to rasing Lyons to the ground. The commissaries were chosen without dis cernment, no proper choice being made. The first comers were taken. The circular had for its object to define their powers at the same time that it proclaimed the necessity of giving them a very wide range. At I first, the first circular created little sensation. It was only after the steps taken by the National Guard, that the circulars were made a crime on the part of M. Ledru-Rollin. As regards the second, it made even less impression. It turned upon the elections. The commis saries were to interfere in the elections so far as laying down doctrines went ; and I still consider that to have been neces sary, since it is evident that to found a Republic you must have Republicans. As regards the bulletins, they were only au imitation of what was done at the Convention. They were the elementary instructions for the country places. The Bulletin No. 16 appeared appeared on a Saturday ; it rained but nevertheless crowds assembled to read it. It was every where considered to be infamous. I was confounded, and sent immediately to the Post-office to stop the departure of it. if there was yet time to do so. Evidently M. Ledru- Rollin bad been taken by surprise. I wishe d once more to give in my resignation. It was Elias Regnault who usually drew up the bulletins. He, being absent that day by reason of a family misfortune, had nothing to do with this one. It was George Sand who drew up the famous No. 16 Bulletin. Etienne Arago had advised Ledru-Rollin to confide to Madame Sand the drawing up of bulletins. She had that same morning brought to the Ministry three projeefts,hwrit ten in different degrees of violence. It was a sort o ance which led to the choice of that one which would occasion the greatest scandal in the political world. DEPOSITION OF M. CAUSSIDIERE. _ The deposition of al. Caussidiere, made on the sth of July, is as follows : u re of days, p What were the relations of Sobrier with t he Prefecture of himself Police at ?—i) theri ng pr t e l f i e e ct first u me. He left it to place himself at the head of the journal L. Commune. From that day our inti mac y was limited to a few visits and some information he bro u g ht me. A period I can not precisely state, and in the first days Sobrier, who was s in communication with M. Lamartine, obtained an ord Police, Sobrierce, acting came in concerta ncl w it from him for arms and ammunition. This order was brought to me, and I transmitted it to the Ministers of the Interior and of War. I know not what became of . the order of M. the Prefecture of Police. At the same time, I applied for arms and ammunition for the Prefecture of Police, which was Lamartine. It may be found, perhaps, in the Archives of then in want of them. On the application of .Sobrier I gave him these men, arms, and ammunition. What use was Sobrier to make of these arms and,ammu him twenty men en permanence; but at a later day I refused nition and bow came he to have a guard when you de prived' him of his permanence 2—l know not how Sobrier was to organize his service. I only obeyed orders. As to the guard he had in the latter time, I believe it was com posed of men employed to carry out his jouraals and his placards. It is possible that Sobrier received notice to double his posts when there was to be an alert. I knew he was very enthusiastic, and believe him to be devoted to the Republic. I had nothing to do with the hiring of the house in the rue de Rivoli, in which Sobrier established himself. Have you any knowledge of a letter addressed to you by Sobrier when he was detained in the barracks on the 15th of May, entreating you to procure his release?-1 never re ceived any such letter. lam not surprised that he should make such an application to me, considering our ancient connexion. Commissary Bertoglio came to me in the evening to inform me that Sobrier was arrested. I replied, "It is unfortunate ; let him remain." I was angry at what had passed. Did you not at times entertain serious apprehensions as to Blanqui ?—I mistrusted Blanqui because, from reports made to me, I found that be wished to mislead the Montagnards, and make a party for himself among them. This is what made me insist upon forming the Garde Republicaine with a military organization. If this had been done the affair of May 16 would not have taken place. I had some hints of a plot to assassinate me, but nothing certain. r h r eaisdit Ileeendo passediwart co r n a os n heqa u a n g e n a g ichnets oft at t F at l ohdteit dispute rue a tf n ee c d nt he d ar id er aonf placards l t pa c oc a lai u re d s e e .. Was not Flotte arrest ed as im plicated in the events of Rouen? What were yo ur motiv es for setting him at li bhHei es r t arrest.yw ? a — s la Can you give any details about the manifestation of April 162—My opinion is that Blanqui on that day commenced his hostility to time Government. The reports made to me at that period do not recur to my memory. On that day we had no fears, for all our precautions were taken. Were you informed of the manifestation of May 15, and its character 2—On the 14th May I was informed that a manifestation was to take place, but there was no disorder. I apprised the Executive Government, the President of the Assembly, and General Courtais ; the Minister of the Interior was also apprised. On the morning of the 15th I was informed that men with concealed arms were to join in the manifestation, and that an attempt was to be made to enter the Assembly. I communicated all this, and took all the precautions I could, but had no force at my disposal. I charged some men whom I knew to have a certain influence Saturday. But their efforts to use all their effo rts to sto p the p roc ession at the Madeleine , r e e t d o d useless the precedinghy theß lanqui club, which was at their head. Fr om this instant I could only refer to re ports, as I bad a lux ation of the kne e , which confined me to my bed, and prevent ed me from tak ing an active part in the repression of the mani festation. as b l rt h : a l t were e b re ee r n en a d b e l 111. Caussidiere was then asked to give some explanation as to the report of the prisoners wo g had been sent to the Prefecture being not only released but armed. He replied, "The 78 persons arrested at Sobrier's, and who called them• selves Montagnards, because they wore red sashes, but who were not on my lists, were taken to the Luxembourg, with the exception of those who were claimed by the chiefs of armed bodies, for instance, Clement Thomas ,Auvigne, and others. Some may have been released. I was not there. The arrests were not all regular, and this may have been the case with the enlargements, as I was not there to control them. There was a distribution of arms at the Prefecture to some Lyonnais who had cot yet been armed, and some am munition was distributed, as it was said that the Prefecture was to be attacked. I did all I could to restrain the Mon tagnards, but I was not completely master. As I knew that there were men among them belonging to Blanqui, I had placed them under arms in the morning,, to prevent their joining in any manifestrtion, and they behaved pretty well till the evening, but then there was some effervescence I sent Caillot and Crevat to them, and they were easily pa cified." M. Caussidiere was asked if any papers had been burnt at the Prefecture before his departure. He replied in the nega tive. He was then asked if be knew what motive had in duced Albert and Barbes to continue him as Prefect in their arrangement of a Government. He said it was probably be cause they thought he filled the post with energy, but there were men in that Government that he never would have accepted. He was next asked whether L'Heritier de l'Ain said, on the 16th of April, that there was an organization quite ready, and that it had been proposed that he (Cans sidiere) should place himself at the head of the movement, but that he had refused to associate himself with Blanqui and Raspail. He replied, that he had never had any pro position of the kind, and did not know that an organization was prepared. DEPOSITIONS CONCERNING LOUIS BLANC. Pierre Peroudet, concierge, at the No. 2, in the Rue Tait bout, the house in which M. Louis Blanc resided, deposed to the fact of several workmen having called on M. Louis Blanc from time to time, and on one occasion a man who asked if the Barbes meeting was not held there. The concierge re plied in the negative, on which the man said " Is not this No. 2?" and, a reply being given in the affirmative, and that M. Louis Blanc lived there, be said it was all right, and went up to M. Blanc. About twelve persons were assem bled, and remained for two hours. A waiter at the house in which M. Louis Blanc resided deposed that on the 15th of May, the day of the invasion of the National Assembly, more than sixty persons called on M. Blanc, and that under the porte-cochere were some with banners who joined the procession by which the invasion was made. Similar testimony is given in the deposition of M. Noel. There is a deposition by M. Lacaze, a representative of the people, as to the precise words used by M. Louis Blanc in his address to the people at the National Assembly. His impression, he said, was that they expressed an approbation of the invasion. M. Roux, another representative, deposed to the same ef fect. M. Verdun, a judge at Quimper, who was at the Assembly on the 15th of May, gave a minute account of the language of M. Louis Blanc, which he says was very exciting, and was enthusiastically applauded by the people. He concluded his speech by saying that there must be a universal republic, and that they would not lay down their arms until this was accomplished. He cried " Vive la Republique Universelle," which was repeated with acclamation. Albert then joined the people, and a flag (green, red, and white) was held out. Louis Blanc took it, and Barbes, Albert, and Blanc, having joined hands, placed themselves in a theatrical attitude. They all three wrapped the flag around them, and remained in this position for ten minutes amidst the acclamation of the crowd. A deposition of M. Lavasseur, Minister of the French Republic to the Republic of Mexico, who was at the As sembly on the 15th of May, is nearly to the same effect as the above. M. Benafort, a student in medicine, also deposes to the language of the encouragement given by M. Louis Blanc to the invaders of the Assembly. M. Manacle, an engineer, deposed to the precise words by M. Louis Blanc. They made so great an impression upon him at the time that ke wrote them on a card, which was laid before the committee. They are—" The demonstration of to-day is not one of those which shake, but of those which overthrow." There are other depositions to the same effect. DEPOSITION OF THE ABBE SERRE, FIRST VICAR OF ST. THOMAS D'AQUN (JULY 13). On the 15th May, says Abbe Serre, whilst I was speaking to M. de Fallonx, I beheld the crowd pouring into the As sembly. A tall man, with a bald head, who was pointed out to me as Barbes, approached a window and sat cross-legged upon it. Shortly after I beheld M. Louis Blanc whose gr andfather I was acquainted with , who was guillotined under Robespierre. There was a great tumult. M. Louis Blanc seized hold of a flag. Albert arrived. All three wrapped themselves up in its folds, and held each other by the hand. The exaltation was extreme, and the crowd pressed closely into the assembly. I only knew Louis Blanc. I was told that the two others were Barbes and Albert. NOTE DE M. PAULIN. Mr. Charles Bignan, horse-dealer at Neuilly-sur-Marne, received a letter from a merchant in England, informing him that in the month of May M. Ledru-Rollin had sent 14,0001. sterling (350,000 f.) to be invested is the English funds.—M. Bignan, Paris, Rue de Grammont, 17. (Signed) Paulin, .Ex-Colonel of the Sapeurs-Pomiers. (To be continued.) estimation in which ➢lr. Stephenson was held. The solemn funeral service was read by the Rev. A. Poole, B.A. The body was interred in the family vault, within the communion rails. On the plate was the following inscription :--" George Stephenson, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, died at Tapton House, Aug. 12, 1848, aged 68 years."—Derbyshire Courier. IRELAND. DUBLIN, THURSDAY MORNING.—This is a very fine autumnal morning, exactly suited to the condition of the crops, and calculated to dry and harden the grain that has suffered from the heavy rains. The reports of the crops, hitherto, have been drawn up under the influence of the dreadful weather for several weeks past, but we may now expect less desponding ac counts. respecting the effect of the rain in the western districts, the Evening Post contains the following most disheartening letter, written, it will be observed, some days since:— " GALWAY, AUG. 20.—The rain is still descending. Nothing can look more bleak and desolate than this town—and you cannot see anywhere a countenance that is not overcast with sadness. You would not be surprised at it if you witnessed tho appearance of the fields—not merely in this locality, where the ground is not of the best at any time, but in all the district from Loughrea, Tuam, and Ballinasloe. I returned here yesterday—the low lands lying about the Suck aro flooded. It is quite a lake. The potato-stalks every where that I looked at are as black as ink. The corn fields are prostrated. They tell me that fine weather would put the wheat and oats on their legs again. I doubt the wheat. Your friend--, who you know has large possessions hereabouts, has a serious notion of selling off his stock, his farming implements, locking up his mansion—a very fine one, as you remember, for this part of the world—and leaving it to the care of a few servants. He even talks of selling his furniture, and of allowing his lands to lie waste. He will fly, he says, from the wrath which he sees approaching—from fa mine and from pestilence. I do believe their are othee proprietors who would imitate his example, if they could. As to any expectation of rent, it is out of the question. We cannot pay poor rates here. We are like people upon whom sentence of death has been passed. You will soon see me in Dublin, without being able to execute the business for which I came down. In fact I cannot. It is nonsense to think of arranging any mat ters at present. I find the parties reasonable, nay, anxious to do what is right. But they can do nothing, and I should not advise any proceedings. What will become of this country I do not know. Property is for the present virtually gone. And the poor—God help them! God pity them!" The Limerick Chronicle gives; accounts of the destructive effects of the floods on the Shannon. Many fields of grain near the river have been laid pros trate. Flour in the Limerick market has advanced from 2s. to 3s. per sack, and whisky, for which there is a great wholesale demand, to 7s. per gallon. There are, however, favourable accounts of the potato from Wex ford, in which county, the local journal says, " the tubers unless in few instances, do not exhibit any appearance of taint;" from Waterford and Newry, in which places the potatoes brought to market are said to be free from disease to any extent. THE STATE PRISONERS. Yesterday morning at six o'clock Mr. Martin was re moved from Newgate to Richmond Bridewell. At the hour mentioned one of the prison vans was in attendance, and Mr. Martin, accompanied by Mr. Mack, one of the turnkeys of the gaol, and three constables, entered the vehicle, which was escorted by a body of mounted police. The van drove off to Richmond Bridewell, where Mr. Martin was delivered into the custody of the Governor. _ _ _ It is understood that Mr. Martin will remain in Rich mond Bridewell, the prison in which the late Mr, O'Connell was confined in 1844, pending the writ of error which has been lodged. The Pestonjee Bomanjee convict-ship has arrived at Kingstown to embark male convicts. The Pilot contains the following : " Messrs. Smith t O'Brien and Meagher enjoy good health. They are permitted, we understand, to occupy the same cell in Kilmainham, in consequence of the li mited accommodation of the building, in its present crowded state. Mrs. O'Brien provides the meals, and visits her husband daily. " Mr. Whiteside has declined to act for Mr. William Smith O'Brien, and sent back his retainer. Indeed we do not see how the Learned Gentleman could take a fee in the case after his recent appearance for the Crown against Mr. Martin. " An application to the Under Secretary, on behalf of Mr. Duffy, for removal to a more healthful prison than Newgate, has been made on the certificate of Dr. Stokes, who apprehends the most serious consequences to the health of Mr. Duffy from further incarceration in this crowded and most unhealthy gaol, which, our readers may not be aware, is built upon the site of the vast burial-ground once attached to the ancient Abbey Saint Mary. The result of the application is not yet known. Mr. Duffy seems to have suffered dreadfully from his imprisonment." The Limerick Chronicle says: — "Smith O'Brien is anxious to accept the Chiltern Hundreds, but the Government will not give their con sent. In the case of his retiring from Parliament, Mr. Alexander M'Carthy is named as his successor. We know of no claim the rejected of his own sweet city has on this county, and whenever a vacancy occurs, we trust that some intelligent, independent resident gentleman may be selected by the freeholders, who will feel their interests are identical with his own." ESCAPE OF MR. R. O'GORMAN. The Limerick Eadminer says that Mr. O'Gorman and his friends left the Irish shores several days back, and are now quite beyond the reach of pursuit. The Lime rick Chronicle states that it is the general opinion that Mr. O'Gorman, Mr. John O'Donnell, and Mr. Doyle, have escaped to France. The same journal contains a letter:from A bbeyfeale, which states that all was perfectly quiet in that locality. Regarding the affsir of General M'Donald in Thurles, brought before the House of Commons by Mr. N. Maher, the Evening Post contains the following letter from Mr. Cahill, the Crown solicitor for Tipperary. " Landaff Lodge, Thurles, Aug. 21, 1848. " Dear Sir,--4 only this day, to my surprise, saw my name mentioned in your paper of the 19th instant, in the report of a conversation in the House of Commons as to the conduct of General M'Donald. I think it right to state that General M'Donald did not present a pistol at me, or threaten me in any way; and if he jostled a ' lawyer' in the street, I certainly was not the individual You will oblige me by inserting this in your next paper. —I am, dear sir, yours very truly, " JOHN CAHILL." On the subject of the reported arrest of Mr. Tod hunter, of the Society of Friends, the Evening Post has the following letter:— " Adrigoole, Clifden, Aug. 22, 1848. " Sir,—A paragraph appeared in the Galway Vindi cator of Wednesday, the 16th tilt., under the head of More Arrests,' stating that William Todhunter, Esq., of the Central Relief Committee of the Society of Friends, had been arrested, and detained on suspicion, by the commander of her Majesty's war-steamer the Bloodhound, &c. So long as the statement, which was a mere fabrication, was confined to the columns of the Vindicator, I considered it quite unnecessary publicly to notice it ; but observing that it has been very generally copied by the Irish press, I deem it my duty to state, as having had the pleasure of accompanying Mr. Todhunter in his cruise (which had for its object the promotion and encouragement of the coast fisheries), that this article is a most unfounded and unwarrantable fabrication, Mr. Todhunter's cutter not having been boarded by any officer from her Ma jesty's steamer Bloodhound; nor had Mr. Todhunter any communication with her commander, officers, or men; nor did he set his foot on her deck. Having in spected the fishing stations and banks, and arrived at Arran and the coast of Galway, we returned early on the morning of the 17th to anchor in the Galway Roads. and were of course visited by the coast guard from off shore, and by the boat of the Andromache sloop of war. My not being known to the commander occasioned an order that I should appear on board the Bloodhound, when, after a short conversation, I was allowed to return to the cutter. I have only to add, that although we were several times boarded by the coast guard at the stations where we called, and by the commander of the cutter on duty here,whose searches were conducted with a proper regard to their service regulations, we were treated by all with every kindness and attention. Where ever Mr. Todhunter communicated with the officers and men of these services, be found them most active assist ants in furthering his views. " I remain, Sir, very sincerely yours, " THOMAS FRANCIS EASTWOOD." THE RELIEF SYSTEM.—We understand it is not the determination of the Poor-law Commissioners to dis continue the services of the relief inspectors in the dis tressed districts of Ireland. W e hear it is contemplated to retain them for the next six months. WRIT OF ERROR.—The following notice has been served upon the Attorney-General, with a view to bring the case before the House of Lords:— " THE QUEEN V. JOHN MARTIN.—We have read the challenge put in by the prisoner, John Martin, in this case, to William Duff, one of the jury by whom the said John Martin was tried and convicted, and the demurrer to such challenge put in by her Majesty's Attorney- General, and we are of opinion that there are reitsonahle t grounds for holding such challeng e to he ood point grounds for holding such challenge to f to re of law, and therefore for issu in g a writ of g err?t in verse the judgment against th e said John Martin, this case. "Dated this 1 9 th of August, 1848. " ISAAC BUTT. ROBERT HOLIES. " CoLMAN M. OTOGIILEN " Jowl O'HaGart." FATAL AFFRAY NEAR TIPPERARY. TEMPLEMORE BARRACKS, AuG. 18.—This day an in quest was held at thisof rr b a acks before Thomas O'Meara, Esq., on the body' Joshua Colville, private of the 43d Regiment, who died from injuries received in an affray with the people, on the 6th inst. Charles Bunt, Esq., N.M., and several of the officers of the 43d Regiment were present at the inquiry. The following evidence was given:— .. John Irwin, corporal, was on his return from the town of Tipperary on Sunday, the 6th instant, iu . com pany with a comrade. Ile saw a crowd of peoplec, sembled round a man on horseback. Th e In " -- seemed to be exciting the people, who then ran away from t h r ew stones at tour soldiers of the 43d. Deceased hill; and was one of that party. The people also ( . threw s t ones at . t picket. and conti nue d to d o himself and ethers of the soldier, so until dispersed by the Saw the deceased knocked up against a wall by the blow of a stone' James Mason, private of the 43d regiment, deposed that he and nine others of the military were returning from a public-house to their and nine o'clock, when the from town) a friar ou ho 'business, and was aslwd i horseback. camp, between eight y met (about fifty yards back. He asked their n ttlll3. what right had lie to interfere, when he said he had nothing to do with him.. He used very ill language, but could not recollect the, exact words. He was coming from the direction of the, camp and had no person with him. The soldiers were not all sober. One man was confined for drunkenness. Turned after the friar. He was shouting to drive the sol diers home, or some language to that effect. Saw de ceased coming down, and his head cut. Could not see the friar at the time. Is certain he was not in front of the deponent. Police then came up and arrested two men. The corporal and deponent gave them selves up to the picket. If they had gone to the camp in the state they were, would have been confined, being found in a quarrel with the inhabitants. Heard no language that night calculated to insult any one. Three of the party were drunk. The friar was pointed out to him as having offered insult to some of the soldiers; and he (deponent) was determined to prevent him from offering insult by going for the police. Did not know where the police barrack was. John O'Leary, constable at Tipperary, deposed that he saw two soldiers in an angry conversation wit►.t the Rev. Mr. Griffin. Called on them to tonne with him to their barracks, after which stones were thrown at the military. Was between the people and military, and endeavoured to keep them from collision. Called on a man whom he saw raise stones, and asked him in God's name to desist, and he said— '• Don't you see our priest insulted?" There were no stones thrown while the friar was there. One of the military (thinks the corporal) had the friar's horse by the bridle. He went away as soon as he was let go. Ar rested James M'Carthy, who bad stones in his hands. Sub-constable Denis Sheehan deposed that he came up to the place where the soldiers and the Rev. Mr. Griffin were in dispute. Was there before the constable. Corporal Irwin held the horse by the rein. Told him to let him go. He would not. Another soldier came up and wanted him to go away. He then said, "To hell with Popery." The people wished to strike him. Deponent advised the people not, nor to take up stones. They threw them away at the suggestion of the police. Some other evidence having been given, the jury returned as their verdict—" That the deceased died on the 16th inst., from the injuries received on the 6th, from a blow of a stone on the side of the forehead; and that said stone was thrown by some person unknown." Evening Packet. RAILWAY ACCIDENTS. - - By an analysis of the returns made to this depart ment, it appears that of the 90 persons killed and 90 in jured, on all the railways opened for public traffic in Great Britain and Ireland, during the half-year ending the 30th June, 1848, there were -6 passengers killed, and 60 injured from causes beyond their own control. 5 passengers killed, and 2 injured, owing to their own misconduct or want of caution. 7 servants of companies or of contractors killed, and 14 injured from causes beyond their own control. 52 servants of companies or of contractors killed, and 18 injured owing to their own misconduct or want of caution. 18 trespassers and other persons, - neither passengers nor servants, killed, and 5 injured by improperly cross ing or standing on the railway. 1 person run over and killed, at a crossing,lthrough misconduct of an engine-driver. 1 suicide. _ _ Total : 90 killed, and 99 injured. And for the same period the number of passengers amounted to 26,330,492. DUNCAN WGREGOR, Registrar. Office of Commissioners of Railway, Whitehall, August 21, 1848. WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF THE RAILWAY SYSTEM ? TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Sin,—l am pleased to find Mr. Sydney (in his letter, which appears in your paper. of yesterday), acknow ledges that " the merits of Thomas Gray are great." I ask Mr. Sydney in what consists Thomas Gray's " merits" if not in being the author of the railway system ? Mr. Sydney says, " Thomas Gray was the author of a great idea, but George Stephenson was snot only the author of , a great idea but he turned that idea into a great fact ! ' I ask Mr. Sydney whether Thomas Gray's " great idea" is not in having, in 1820, published his work entitled, Observa tions on a General Iron Railway, or Land Steam Convey ance, to supersede the necessity of horses in all public ve hicles, &c., in which he set forth his views supported by numerous arguments and calculations, showing the ad vantages—national and commercial—to be i derived from the establishment of the railway system, and in having devoted the greater part of his life and means to the es tablishment of that system? I ask Mr. Sydney whether George Stephenson can be said to be the " author of a great idea" in having " planned and constructed the Stockton and Darlington Railway, the Act for which was obtained in 1821,"* after the idea of public railways had been propounded by Thomas Gray, and published in 1820; or, in having " planned and cons t ruc t e d th e Liverpool and Manches ter" several years subsequently to 1820, and after that route had been actually laid down in Thomas Gray's work? I maintain that neither the fact of George Stephenson having been engaged in both of the above works, nor his having "applied mechanical powers of the first order to the locomotive engine," nor his having "founded the modern school of Railway Engineers," nor the very " great fact" of the most remarkable railway works in the world having been constructed by his pupils, con stitutes a right to consider George Stephenson the origi nator of the railway system. The fact is, Thomas Gray was the author or origina tor of the system which has since been carried out by the public through the medium of George Stephenson and others; Thomas Gray planned what others executed. I would have it distinctly understood that I do not wish to derogate from George Stephenson's merit as a great mechanic and engineer, but whilst George Ste phenson has been handsomely rewarded for his services, Thomas Gray has never derived the slightest pecuniary advantage, notwithstanding he has devoted his whole time and means towards carrying out one of the most important schemes ever entertained by the human mind. I am, Sir, your very obedient servant, J. BANNEHR." Exeter, Aug. 23. Tuck's Manual, says the Stockton and Darlington Aci was passed in 1828, which I think is correct. FUNERAL OF THE LATE G. STEPHENSON, ESQ. The remains of Mr. Stephenson were conveyed to their last resting-place at Trinity Church, Chesterfield, on Thurs day; and it is a melancholy pleasure for us to record the fer vent manifestation of respect and gratitude which was paid at the celebration of the obsequies of one who, whilst living, was regarded by the nation as the foremost in the onward march of engineering and mechanical skill—to one who was the admiration of all classes of society for his natural genius, and the unsullied excellence of his private character—and who, though now removed by the unsparing hand of death from his sphere of action and usefulness, will ever live in the hearts of the people as one of the benefactors of the ha man race. All shops were closed, and business was sus pended in Chesterfield in the middle of the day, and hundreds of persons, including many who had come from a considerable distance, lined the road on which the funeral cortege passed, to pay their heartfelt tribute of respect to the memory of the illustrious deceased. The position attained by this truly gent man, and the very nature of his avoca tions, necessarily brought him into immediate contact with all classes of society, from the nobles of the land to the humblest artizan ; a vast number of whom, either from veneration of his transcendant talents, or from feelings of friendship and regard, would have been eager to pay the last Dad tribute of respect to the remains of one so eminent ; this, however, was found to be impossible, and the invita tions were confined to the relatives' of the deceased, and a few of his old pupils, to whom his memory must ever be as a beacon on the road to fame, and his life an example of what great achievements it is possible for man to accom plish. About one o'clock the cortege left Tapton House, and a procession was formed in the following order :—The clerks and agents from Lockoford and Clay Cross Collieries—two abreast. The clergy, gentry, and tradesmen of Chester field and the neighbourhood—two abreast. The members of the corporation, preceded by the town officers, with their staves of office covered with crape, and the mace bearer, with the mace enveloped in crape, and headed by the representative of the Mayor (J. G. Cottingham, Esq., Alderman). The Venerable the Archdeacon of Derby. Several carriages containing the undertakers, medical men, officiating clergyman &c. The hearse and seven mourning coaches, containing the chief mourners — R. Stephenson, Esq., G. R. Stephenson, Esq. , Mr. R. Stephenson, Mr. Hindmarsh, and Mr. Langlands. Then followed the car riages of J. Meynell, Esq., G. H. Barrow, Esq., R. Barrov, Esq., J. G. Barnes, Esq., the Venerable Archdeacon Hill, J. Paxton, Esq., W. Condell, Esq., Rev. J. B. Jebb, Rev. C. Bromehead, Rev. E. W. Lowe, and several others. On arriving in Newbold-lane, the gentry and tradesmen fored themselves on each side of the road, and the corporation n, after whom church ; next followed the gentry and tradesmen, Chris- came the clerks, agents, and some of the workmen employ . by the deceased. The church was coin letelr filled by Chris -1 classes in so tiers of all denominations —by persons of a. . . passed through their lines, heading the procession into the ciety, including ofthe to be county present, who had come from distant parts c y at the funeral solemnities of one whom they so highly es at proof, if proof be indeed wanted, of the general many families and individuals of distinction, LIAMENTARY ELECTORS BILL. HOUSE OF LORDS, AUG. 22. CONTENT. DUKES. EARLS. BARONS. Argyll Granville Brougham. Leinster Grey Camoys MARQUISES. Mint° Campbell Clanricarde Radnor Colborne Lansdowne Scarborough Cottenham Westminster Shaftesbury Denman EARLS. Strafford Eddisbury Auckland BISHOPS. Foley BesboroUgh Hereford Milford Charlemont Manchester Montfort Devon BARONS. Monteagle Beaumont Fortescue NON-CONTENT. DUKES. EARLS. VISCOUNTS. Beaufort Mountcashel Hawartien Wellington Rossiya Sidney 31ancliester St. Vincent Strangford MARQUISES. Ktunoull Canning Exeter Southampton %Vincliester W yn ford LORDS. Beauchamp Forester Hertford Grantley Romney - Redesdale EARLS. Glengall Sondes Desart Roden Tenterden Lucan IVaidegrave PAIRS. Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Tankerville Lord Clifden L or d liardwicke Lord Leitrim Earl Leven Lord Sudeley Lord Templemore Ilarquis of Anglesey Lord Crofton Marquis of Donegal Earl of Exmouth Earl Sandwich. Earl Fitzhardinge HER MAJESTY'S THEAT -- RE.IIIS Grace the Du k e of Wellington was present at the performance at her Majesty's Theatre yesterday evening. Among the au dience we observed the Prince Louis Napoleon, the Count de Montemolin, attended by the General Count Don Juan Montenegro and Colonel Don Francisco Merry, the Duke of Ahrenbergh, his Excellency the Russian Minister (the Baron Brunnow), the Baroness Brunnow, and Mdlle. Olga de Lechner, the Baroness Re. hausen, his Excellency the Swedish Minister, the Mar quis of Titchfield, the Marquis of Clanricarde, the Mar quis of Lansdowne, the Marquis of Donegal, the Earl of Beauchamp, the Countess of Blessington and the Misses Power, Earl of Bective, Baron Nicolay, Count de Berke, the Count de Guise, Count d'Orsay, Lord Charles Wellesley, Lord Adolphus Fitzclarence, Lord Loughborough, Lady Ann Taprell, Lord Ward, Lord Mountcharles, General the Hon. H. Cavendish, General the Hon. A. Upton, Sir George Wombwell, Bart., Sir Edward Codrington, Bart., Lady Bateman, Sir J. Bay em Lady ortm e C GI Townley, r33outec lMe yC. r r . . . KCo. Arbuthnot, udEraiar ffrysk yM, Baldwin, C . IGh)rnoet Colonel Wildman, Bay ley, Ba.rt., Lady Bayley, Major-General Sir Alexander M.p..P,aii Mrs.d Wood ford, Bart., and Lady Woodford, Lady Flower, Howard, Mr. and Mrs. Hubert de Burgh, &c. Lieutenant-General George Guy Carleton L'Es trange expired on Monday last at his seat in Yorkshire, :wed 72 years. This gallant officer served with distinc ' t ion during the Peninsular war, and conducted him se lf most bravely at the sanguinary battle of Albuera, when he commanded the 31st regiment, under Marshal Vis count Beresford, against the French army, commanded by Marshal Soult. For his gallant services on that oc casion he received a medal. He was subsequently em ployed on various services. In 1843 the colonelcy of the 95th Regiment became vacant, to which he was ap pointed by the Duke of Wellington, and on the demise of Major-General Sir J. Dickson taking place a few months back, he was removed to the 61st Regiment, which now becomes vacant by his decease. The de ceased General entered the army as Ensign in April, 1798, and his commissions bore date as follows :—Lieu tenant, 24th Nov., 1798 ; Captain, 13th March, 1802 ; Major, 22d May, 1804; Lieut.-Colonel, 30th May, 1811; Colonel, 19th ,July, 1821 ; Major-General, .22d July 4330 • and pieutelleneral, 23d Nov., Is4l, ' • • HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE. One of the most crowded and most brilliant audiences ever seen within the walls of her Majesty's Theatre were congregated last night, to witness the farewell for this season of Jenny Lind. Scarcely were the doors opened ere every seat was occupied, and before the cur tain was raised the corridors were thronged with anxions and excited listeners. The reception of Lind was tre mendous, for Amine, in the Sonmambula, is one of the chief characters in which she has won and retained her unparalleled popularity in this country. We have never heard her in more perfect voice, and the graceful and difficult ornaments with which she enhances the various charming themes of this opera were rendered with that certainty of intonation, justness of execution, and richness of voice, that justly places her above all ri valry. The applause throughout was enthusiastic, and the frequent recalls before the curtain proved the public ap preciation of her marvellous genius. The "Non giunge" was re-demanded amidst the cheers of the audience. A t the end of the opera the National Anthem was sung by the entire company, Jenny Lind, for the first time, deliver ing the second verse. Her pronunciation of the English is free from the slightest foreign accent, and the eleva tion of feeling which she infused elicited a rapturous encore. On the last night of the season, the sterling demon stration of such an overflowing assemblage of genuine paying spectators is a high, as well as substantial, re ward to the direction. It may be considered as ex pressing, not only satisfaction of the exertions of the present, but gratitude for the past. It will not be denied that this recompense has been justly earned, when it is remembered what has been achieved during the season, under difficulties of every kind, such as in so short a period have never before been encountered successively or simultaneously, or, at all events, to such an extent, by any similar establish ment. The difficulties to which we allude have been political, commercial, and theatrical, and have arisen from events unprecedented in magnitude or the power of producing disastrous effects. As regards the gratifiea- Lion afforded to the visitors of her Majesty's Theatre, unquestionably Jeinny;Lind, an unparalleled artiste, in both aspects of lyrical art, must claim an immense pro portion; but if she cast into the shade even a Lablache, artistes have appeared who, with any other colleague but the great Swedish songstress, would have com manded the greatest admiration. We have had not only the famosi of former years, but new talent, such as Beletti, whom to have discovered in their comparative obscurity, and brought forward on this, the first stage in the world, reflects the highest credit on the management. It is but sheer justice to record another distinguished feature, for whilst the ap pearance of Jenny Lind was of itself sufficient to fill the theatre each night to an overflow, the most attractive works have been produced simultaneously. As one among many similar instances, we may cite the Quatre Saisons, the most perfect composition that has ever been elicited in choregraphy, and embracing the performance, at the same time, of four dancers such as were never previously united excepting on this stage. Such in stances of liberality are beyond all vague expressions of eulogy, and we can but repeat that the enthusiasm of last night was not only a just tribute to the ruling spirit, but 1 to the general talent of the establishment. SHIP ON FIRE AT SEA. LIVERPOOL, THURSDAY EVENING.—Much anxiety prevailed on 'Change this afternoon, in consequence of a report that there was a ship on fire down the Channel. On inquiry we found that the vessel alluded to was sup posed to be the Ocean Monarch, Captain Murdoch, which sailed for Boston this morning, having 146 staeraico passengers on board, besides a few in the cabin, and a crew of thirty hands. The Ocean Monarch belongs to G. Train and Co., of Boston; and is one of the splendid line of packets which that company run between the ports of Liverpool and Boston. She is 1,244 tons burthern, and stands A 1 at Lloyd's. As a sailer she has made some splendid runs during the time she has been on the passage. We are happy to add, that from the last reports there is reason to hope that no lives will be lost, although it is likely the ship and cargo will be entirely destroyed. The following notice is posted up at the Underwriters' Rooms : BEAIIMARIS, NEAR LIVERPOOL.—The Cambria steamer, at 12.30, about eight miles east of the Orms head, saw the Ocean Monarch on tire. The Alfonso, Brazilian steam-frigate, was near her, and had on board the Prince de Joinville and the Duke and Duchess d'Aumale, with the Brazilian Minister, the Chevalier de Lisboa. The Alfonso has two paddle-box and four other life-boats. The packet-ship New World was also seen bearing down to the Ocean Monarch. Mr. Little dale's yacht Queen of the Ocean, and the yacht Zephyr would also be alongside the burning ship shortly after she took fire. The Prince of Wales steamer was off the Little Ormshead shortly after, and was signalled for by the Cambria to render assistance. At 1.30 the ship was still burning, with her main and mizen-masts gone." HER MAJESTY'S VISIT TO SCOTLAND.—WOOL wicH, THURSDAY.—The Queen has expressed her in tention to embark at Woolwich on Saturday, the 2d of September, and proceed direct to Aberdeen, where her Majesty and Prince Albert will land on the following Monday morning, and travel by land in the royal car riacres, along the banks of the Dee to Balmoral. Lord Ad'olphus Fitzclarence, G.C.H., Captain of the Royal Victoria and Albert yacht, visited Woolwich to-day, and instructed Mr. Stuart, the principal dockyard pilot, to proceed to Portsmouth, to bring round the royal yacht to the river, and that vessel will remain at moor ings until the embarkation of her Majesty and her Royal Consort. The royal yacht is to leave Portsmouth on Sunday night, and will bring up at st. Helen's until the following morning, when she will start for Wool wich, and arrive at her moorings on Monday evening. Should any unforeseen delay take place, her Majesty's embarkation will be deferred until Tuesday, the sth of September. Every arrangement will, however, he com pleted for her Majesty's departure by Saturday, the 2'). The horse-boxes were taken out of store at Woolwieh yesterday, to be sent with the horses to Aberdeen, on Saturday- next, by the Aberdeen Company's vessels. The Black Eagle steam-vessel, Master Commander S.B. Cook; and the Vivid,p)over mail steam-packet, Captain Sinithett, are the only vessels, in a ddition to theulaitlyedal Victoria and Albert yacht, and Fai r y yacht, yet named to form the royal squadron. Viscount roett Melbournes leaves town earl y next week, fori3 ck HIGNEURY BARN TA VERN. -- y Grove,served up . in Mr. annual dinner of ,h t i haehwu ec asion a numerous body of gen tlemen of this large establishment took place, on vv W. the respect able a u r s t u o a o l k of e x eel l n e n e t n s t t e y r l t e s ; i n A m f r e . n W t, H tle i m nt e o n n able proprietor of the Spread Eagle Tavern, Kingsland road, supported by several highly respectable friends, in the chair. After the cloth was withdrawn the Chairman, in a short but appropriate speech, gave " The Q um : , which was received with much applause, and the Na tional Anthem sung, the company joining in the chorus parts with great animation. The health ot his " R o y a l Highness Prince Albert, and the rest ot the Royal Pa wily," was afterwards given and well received. M Savill then proposed the health of " Alt, and M rs . Hi n t. : ton," and spoke of them with much respect; this toast was drunk amid tremendous applause. Afterwards Mr.. Field, who acted as deputy-chairman, gave " The Waiter s of Highbury," who, he stated, were a most industriou s class i,his of a m s e t u , wasan d re w sp e o re nd h e e d ld to d , es o e u r deservedly f in o m f in a lengthened speechmuch esteem. by Mr. Carcas,repletethe .woaitets, sense, and was listened to attention.withinuch i 1 g Mr. d Carcas shortly after war d s propose d t h e h ea l t h o f " M r . Grove, their respected chairman," whom he described a:ever willing t o p romote t h e b est i nteres t s o f the m en whose anniversary they were commemorating. Mr. Grove acknowledged the honour done him in a few words, remarkable for their good taste. Other toasts were given, and several amusing songs (particularly those by 111 r. Caress) sung; and at a later period of the evening a hall commenced and continued until a late hour, when the company separated, highly entertained with the day's proceedings. PARIS AND LYONS RAILWAY.—A meeting of the shareholders in this company is to take place on Monday next, to consider the steps adopted by the directors and the French Government in reference to the appropria tion of the property. The English shareholders have been, it is stated, taken greatly by surprise, owing to their not being consulted before the directors agreed to the disposal of the property. The meeting will be of importance, when it is taken into consideration that the risk of English capitalists in French railways is very considerable, and some of the largest iwidera are capital ists of great wealth: