The Sun. — London, England, 1835-05-26 00:00:00

SECOND' EDITION. SUN OF FI CE, Seven o•'clock THE LONE/ON GAZETTE THIS EVENING. CROWN OFFICE, MAY 21. MEMBERS RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMF:ICT. Towii oe Poot.r.—The Hon. George Stevens Byng, of Eaton square, in the county of Middlesex, in the room of the Right Hon. Sir John Byng, now Lord Strafford. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County Palatine of Lan caster. G. W. Wood, Esq. to be Deputy Lieutenant, April 30. C'mmission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Somerset. Taunton Corps of Yeomanry Cavalry.—R. A. Kinglake, Gent. to be Lieutenant, May 21. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Lincoln. No th Lincoln Yeomanry Cavalry.—Sir J. Nelthorpe, Bart., and M. Graburn, to he Lieutenants, May 8. DECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY. THOMAS WILD, grocer, Brosely, Shropshire. BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED. CHARLE6 Vv ESTBROOK, tanner, Beaulieu, Hampshire. BANKRUPTS. WILLIAM PARKER, lead merchant, Steel-yard, Upper Thames -street, London. JOHN TIMOTHY SWAINSON, merchant, Liverpool. MATTHEW MASON, farmer, Preston, Yorkshire. GEORGE WRIGHT, licensed coach proprietor, Sheffield. THOMAS SCOTT, linen manufacturer, Liverpool. RICHARD GILLETT, brick-maker, Duffield, Derby. GEORGE BEARDMORE, builder, Burslem, Stafford. GEORGE BENTLEY HIGHFIELD and JOHN HIGH FIELD, merchants, Liverpool. HUGH BULLEN, brewer, Liverpool. THOMAS PALMER, cattle dealer, Worcester. THOMAS HARVIE, merchant, Jerusalem Coffee-house, Lon don. THE PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the chair at a Quarter to Four o'clock, but there being two Ballots for Committees to try the validity of the returns for the Borough of florsham and the County of Cork, the gallery was not opened till half-past four. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that to-morrow he would bring before the notice of the House a case of a breach of pri silege in relation to Garrett Standish Barry, Esq., M.P. for the county of Cork. The order for entering into recognizances to proceed with the petition against his ( Mr. B.'s) 'return was this day discharged, and one of the petitioners has distinctly stated that his object was in signing that petition to prevent that Hon. Member from sitting on Election Committees. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY. Mr. MILES, in further considering t'de report on this Bill, begged to state that he intended to ':ntroduce a clause to pre vent travelling on the rail-road the Sabbath. He was the more induced to do this, because he had a petition in his possession containing a prdyer to that effect, signed by the Lord Bishop of the diotese to which he (Mr. M.) belonged, and by many of the most respectable and influential inhabitants of that district. Whatever opinions might be entertained by Hon. Gentlemen 'within the walls of this House, he begged to assure them that, there was a growing desire in the country to prevent the desecration of the Sabbath by strict a'hd stringent legislation.. He was desirous to introduce a clause to pre vent travelling on the railroad between the hours of eleven and one o'clock on the Sabbath day, but he now thought it would be better to introduce one general legislative enactment for that purpose. The clause which the Hon. Gentlemen proposed to introduce was to the following effect :—" Pro vided also, and be it enacted that no engine or carriage shall be permitted to travel or. the Lord's Day, and that should the Company or its successors be guilty of a violation of this provision, they shall be liable to a penalty of 201. for each offence." On the question being put that this clause stand part of the Bill, there was a general cry of " No, no, no." Mr. POTTER regretted the absence of the Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Tamworth, who he (Mr. Potter) had hoped would have been in attendance this evening. The Honourable Gentleman had candidly declared that his object in proposing this clause was to prevent tra velling altogether on the Sunday. He (Mr. Potter) -was of opinion, that by confining people to the large towns on the Sabbath, he would injure, rather than promote, the true interests of religion.—(Hear.) It was we ll k nown t h at t h e road between Manchester and Liverpool, since the opening of the railway had been almost deserted. The population of Manchester amounted to 300,000, while that of Liverpool was 200,000. It was well known that a great connection subsisted between the inhabitants of these two places. The effect, therefore, of the Hon. Gentleman's Bill would be to prevent the working classes from visiting their friends, or taking any recreation on the only day permitted to them.--( Hear, hear.) It was well known that this road passed through Bath, and, of course, if this clause passed, there could be no intercourse be tween Bath and Bristol on the Sunday. He hoped that the decision of the House upon this question would put an end to such attempts at legislation.--(Cheers.) How would it be Possible that this great city could obtain provisions upon Mon days, unless they were put in motion on the railways on the Sundays ? He called upon the gentle:nen connected with the landed interest, and who were anxious to support that interest, to come forward and vote against this clause.—( Cheers.) He would give his most decided opposition to it. HORSHAM ELECTION COMMITTEE. The discussion was here interrupted by the appearance of Mr. Dison, the Committee Clerk, at the bar of the House, with the reduced list of this Committee, the members of which being sworn, withdrew to elect a Chairman. WESTERN RAILWAY RESUMED. Mr. CURTEIS was not very fond of intruding upon the House ; but on the present occasion he must call the attention of the House to this (as we understood) most vexatious clause, proposed by the Hon. Member. If they inserted this clause io the Bill, the House would be under the necessity of never hereafter allowing any Turnpike Act to pass with out prohibiting traffic on the Sabbath.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member himself admitted that some persons con sidered this clause preposterous ; undoubtedly he would not hesitate to say that he considered it one of the most preposterous clauses that had ever been attempted to be in serted in a Bill. If the House were determined to carry for ward any Bill before Parliament for the purpose of restricting the enjoyments of the humbler classes of society on the Sabbath, let them do so by a regular Bill, and not in this manner by a side wind. He believed that he would on this occasion have the support of many who had never committed themselves deeply in legislating on this subject ; but if he were the only person who opposed it he would divide the House.— (Cheers.) Ile wished especially to call the attention of the country gentlemen to this subject--he put it to them whether the Sabbath, and more particularly in the rural districts, was not better observed at this moment than ever they recollected it before.—( Hear, hear.) He there fore called upon the country Gentlemen and those who resided in the country, to oppose this measure, the result of which would be that the House would be forced, upon the introduction of every road bill, to in sert clauses of a like nature. He had stated his opinion, and he hoped and trusted that the House would show what their opinion was upon this attempt to insert such a clause in an Act of Parliament, which established a most essential principle in all future legislation. Mr. ROBlNSON—Whatever difference of opinion there might be in the House upon the subject of Sabbath Legisla tion, he was sure there could be no difference of opinion as to the impropriety of the present course of proceeding. He thought the admission of a clause like the one proposed by the Hon. Member for Somersetshire would be the height of absurdity-, as at present there was no Railway Bill containing such a clause. He trusted, therefore, the House would wait till some general measure was brought forward on the subject, before it ventured to allow the introduction of such a clause into any Railway Bill. Sir ROBERT INGLIS supported the motion, believing that it would have the effect of furthering the progress of re ligion. — The ATTORNEY-GENERAL opposed the clause feel ing confident that i ns t ea d o f f urt h er i ng. the interests of religion, it would be detrimental to them, as it would prevent many from attending religious worship who were anxious, and would be enabled to do so by means of the Railway. CORK COUNTY ELECTION. Mr.` D' here brought up the reduced list of the Mem bers ballotted to serve on the Committee upon this Election, the Members on which were sworn. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY BILL RESUMED. Mr. ROEBUCK thought if Honourable Members were anxious to further the ends of religion by preventing per sons going out on Sunday, the best course would be to shut up turnpikes, and the first that he should recommend to be shut was Hyde-park turnpike.—(A laugh.) Hon. Members knew well what turnpike he meant.—(Laughter.) He (Mr. Roebuck) took a ride last Sunday in that direction, and the first p erson th a t h e saw was t h e Duke f Wellington, on horseback.—(Laughter and cheers.) Upon going a little further he saw several persons watering Hyde-Park for the purpose of making it commodious for the rank and fashion that resorted there on a Sunday afternoon.—(Laughter.) When he got as far as Hammersmith, he there saw the Lord Chief Justice on horseback.—( Cheers.) He then went to Hampton Court, and there he saw the Right Honourable Baronet the Member for Tamworth.—( Cheers and laughter.) Now these were all persons who, from their station in life, were enabled to go from place to place in their own carriages, or upon their own horses, but the persons who would go upon the railroad, occupied a very different station in life. The consequence of shutting up the railway would be this, that persons, instead of going by the rail-road, would have to go the other road, which would take them twice as long.. Such being the case, he thought the Honourable Member for Somerset in introducing the present clause had laid his finger upon the wrong point.--(H ear , hear.) It was altogether a pharisaical extravagance on the part of those persons who got up these petitions to persuade the House to piss such a Bill as this. Why could they. not leave every maA to manage his own conscience, and to take into his own kands'his own spiritual concerns ?—( Hear.) It was not the business ,of any legislature to command men how to conduct their religious duties. The truth was, that they meddle too much with each other in these matters ; but if they would J allow every man to take care of himseli, they would have much I better people than they has now.—( Hear.) Mr. B IJC 1Z I NC.; HA M could not but condemn the fallacy of attempting to make people religious by act of Parliament. As a believer in the Gospel, he must confess that he saw nothing in it which could call for the observance of the Sabbath with the rigidity of the Jewish law.—( Hear.) Indeed he was not disposed to argue the point upon religious grounds ; he consi dered the Sabbath rather as a civil regulation, and believed that the non-observance of it was a great injury to the labouring classes who were too much overworked. The expe rience of mankind had shewn that rest upon one day in seven was beneficial, while he held that the State was not called upon to legislate upon matters of conscience and religious dutieS, it was bound to enforce the civil ordinance of the Sabbath as a matter of civil right and privilege.—( Hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL deprecated the introduction of such clauses into a common railroad bill—( Hear, hear)—and the waste of the time of the House in being called upon to legislate in this way. Why shonl , l %E.; railroad be shut up when it wool:I enable the religious man to visit so many more Churches ?—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") It would also enable people to enjoy the fresh air with greater facility. Would it not be monstrous to shut up this railroad, by which a delay of twenty-four hours would he occasioned in the remittance of the produce of Ireland, such as meat, butter, and eggs, which would become tainted, and provision, instead of being rendered cheaper to the poor, made still dearer ? He hoped the House would not entertain this motion, but if they were to legislate upon this question, let it be fairly brought forward and man fully met ; but let them not indulge in this kind of legislation, which was unfair and unfounded in principle. Mr. A. TREVOR supported the clause of his Hon. Friend, because he thought that Sunday travelling ought to be pre vented, although he was against interfering with the reasonable recreation of the poor on that day. Mr. W. DUNCOMBE begged to advise the Hon. Gen tleman to withdraw the clause, for it was impossible to establish a different principle ' with respect to rail-roads, from what re gulates all other roads. Sir A. AGNEW rose amidst loud cries of " Divide, di vide." He supported the clause of his Hon. Friend.—(The cries of " Divide" were again renewed.) An Hon. MEMBER, who stated that he had. represented Scotch constituencies for the last 20 during which time he had frequently remarked t l l`2. iotal inability of the poor people of large towns to *2. - .ovide for themselves any recreation, while the middling classes, such as shopkeepers, were able to hire carriages, and with their families drive into the country on the Sabbath, said he hoped the clause would be negatived. The Gallery was then cleared for a division, when there appeared for the introduction of The Clause Against it . 34 ....... .. ...... Majority against the Clause ..... ...-178 CANTERBURY ELECTION. Mr. WALTER brought up the report of the Committee on the Canterbury Election, delaring that Mr. Lushington, the s►tting Member, had been duly elected, that the petition of Mr. Villiers was not frivolous or vexatious, and that the oppo sition to the petition was neither frivolous nor vexatious. , HULL ELECTION. Mr. HANDLE Y presented a petition from a person named White, a voter for Kingston-upon-Hull, praying that the House would declare the election of David Carruthers, Esq. null and void. The petition was founded upon the re solution which was agreed to by the House sometime since, by which voters who could prove bribery at an election might, within 2S days, petition the House to declare the election of the Member at whose instance the bribery had taken place void. Lord JOHN RUSSELL doubted whether the petition was in time, but as the present was the first instance of a petition being presented in consequence of the Resolution, and as there might some doubts arise, perhaps the best way would be to receive the petition at the present moment, in order that it might be printed, deferring its consideration till to-morrow. Sir R. PEEL was of opinion that provided the petition con tained allegations of bribery and corruption, and was presented before the expiring of the fourteen days, the House was, in that case pledgedfto adopt any specific measure in relation to it, but had merely to receive it as an election petition. The SPEAKER thought that in looking at this case the House had two facts to consider as to the propriety of receiving or rejecting this petition—the first was whether the time of payment was alleged in the petition, and secondly whether the petition has been presented with 28 days from the time of such alleged payment.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. HANDLEY stated the payment as we understood him, was alleged to have taken place the 13th of April, and the House it would be recollected, was not sitting from the 20th of April till the 12th of May, so that the petitioner was excluded from availing himself of that interval. Lord JOHN RUSSELL read the rule of the House in re lation to this point—it required that a petition alleging bribery or corruption against any member, by him se lf or his agents, must be presented within 28 days after the alleged payment, bribery or corruption. And in case the House should not be sitting, the petition must be presented within 16 days after its next meeting. The question is, was the House sitting dur ing the 28 days of the alleged bribery, and if it were not, had the 14 days since the meeting of Parliament expired. Mr. Goulburn, the Attorney-General, Mr. O'Connell, and Mr. llandley, explained their interpretation of the rule referred to by the Noble Secretary of State for the Home Department. Mr. F. KELLY referred to the terms of the resolution, which limited the time of petitioning to 28 days, after the day of the alleged act of bribery, which In this case was committed on the 13th of April, or if the House was not sitting at the time within 14 days after the meeting of the House.—( Hear.) After a few words from Sir G. CLERK, Lor JOHN R USSELL said he was of opinion that it was a petition which should not be received. Sir ROBERT PEEL was of the same opinion, because 28 days had expired, and the parties had not embraced the opportunity, which they might have done. The SPEAKER suggested that the rule of the House ought to be strictly adhered to on all occasions, to secure the proper regulation of the public business. Mr. HANDLEY said he had not had the petition more than ten minutes or a quarter of an hour in his possession. The petition was then withdrawn. NEWFOUNDLAND FISHERY. Mr. ROBINSON rose to propose his motion relative to the right of British subjects to a concurrent fishery on that part of the coast of Newfoundland, commonly called the French Shore. The Hon. Member contended that this was not merely a question of local con;rol, but one affecting the general interests of the country, and therefore one which deserved the attention of the House, and especially his Majesty's Government. Though twenty-one years had elapsed since the treaty was signed, yet no one was able to read it aright. Therefore it was that he thought he was entitled to bring the subject under the notice of the House and Governtmet,in order that the people of Newfoundland might know whether they had a right to fish upon their own shores. He had frequently brought the ques tion on before, but had yielded to the Government upon one ground in another. When the Duke of Wellington came into office, he received a strong memorial from Newfoundland upon the subject of the great delay they had experienced. He enclosed that memorial to the Noble Duke, strongly pressing the subject upon his notice, in order that the people of that island might exercise their rights if they really had them, and if they really had not, they should be told at once that they had not, and so put them in a much better situation than now. He. whatever Government was in power, must now protest against any further delay—the French had a motive for delay, because they were now allowed undisturbed possession of a great part of the share ; but surely it was the duty of the Government, now after a delay from 1814, to put a final settlement upon the words of the treaty. He was bound to admit that the pretensions of the French were not altogether without foundation, for there was a declaration annexed to the treaty, which in some degree countenanced them in their pretensions. HOUSE OF LORDS. Lord DENMAN took his seat on the Woolsack at fire o'clock. The Marquis of Abercorn and Lord Barham took the oaths and their seats. Lord TANKERVILLE presented petitions from North umberland, complaining of Agricultural distress. The legis lature must make up its mind to grapple with the distress pre vailing among the agricultural classes very shortly. Earl FITZWILLIAM presented petitions from Hillsbo rough and Northampton, in favour of the Islington Market Bill. The BishOp of LONDON presented petitions from Mon mouth and other places, in favour of a legislative enactment for the better observance of the Lord's Day. Several Petitions were presented by the Earl of ROSEBERY, the Duke of BUCCLEUGH, and the Marquis of BUTE, praying for the further endowment of the Scotch Church. The Earl of RADNOR begged to ask the Noble Duke, the Chancellor of the University of Oxford, whether the re port respecting the convocation of that University was true. The Duke of WELLINGTON, as we understood, replied in the affirmative. NEWSPAPER TAXES. Lord BI? OUGHANI presented a petition from inc. Cl+ tie and Benjamin Dignum, Propricturs ut the Bath Guardian news - Yl;:er, praying for the repeal of taxes on newspapers. The petitioners stated, that the quan tity of unstamped weekly newspapers which were circu lated was incredible. One news-agent in Bath received not less than eighty dozen weekly, differing in nothing from the regular newspapers except that they paid no stamp-duty, and that they contained matter which no newspaper respectably con ducted would admit into its columns. He mentioned this as a remarkable confirmation of the fact which he had stated to their Lordships on a previous occasion, that the stamp duties operate against the diffusion of useful knowledge, EDUCATION COMMISSION—(IRELAND.) Lord DUNCANNON had a petition to present to their Lordships from two Gentlemen Commissioners of Public Instruction, against whom certain charges had been brought by a Right Rev. Prelate about six weeks since. A notice had been given by the Right Rev. Prelate (the Bishop of Exeter) in the month of April last, which he had subsequently postponed till after the Easter holidays. The notice was a petition from the Rev. W. Baker Stoney, incumbent of a parish in Mayo, complaining of the un fair and improper conduct of two Commissioners of Public In struction. The Commissioners in Dublin bad sent circulars to the Clergy of every persuasion, requesting answers to certain que ries. The Rev. M r . S toney, instead of sending written an swers, had thought fit to print and circulate them through the county. The Noble Lord proceeded to read the questions of the Commissioners and the answers of the Rev. Mr. Stoney, in which he assailed the Roman Catholic religion, and the Clergy men of that persuasion officiating in his parish, in very strong terms. The Commissioners, having received those answers, (LEFT SPEAKINO. LONDON MARKETS. were obliged to attend in the parish ; knowing the temper of the gentlemen from the nature of the answers, they had been careful to take a minute of every thing that transpired while in the parish. He was sorry to take up the time of the House, but one or two of the circumstances wore . sc partiehlat that he felt it was necessa r y that, he Shottld detall thein. After the Commission had been opened, the first discussion was as to the attendance of worshippers at the Church. The answers of Mr. Stoney w ere of so very violent a nature as to be in the opinion of the Commissioners very exciting and offensive to the Roman Catholics--the Commissioners were obliged to request that he would be more temperate on several eetitisknt., Stoney gave in a census of the§o heliing,ing to his con gregation, which he did not wish to have made public, as that would not be received. He furnished another \vhich contained the name of a woman named Gordon. Mr. Hughes, the parish priest, stated upon oath that he had received her into the Catholic Church, anti had also administered the Sacrament. .n lin e; #kiss ln e. ssid sb xsa - : one 02 ~,..gteeth3tl, but dared nut dttend from the system of Intimidation pursued in the parish. The Curate of the parish and two Magis trates denied that statement, and said that though they were Protestants th e y cou ld sa f e l y proceed through any part of the parish without any other weapon than a stick. Some men in the Court were making a noise, and one of them was put out, which induced Mr. Stoney to protest against all the proceedings, in conse quence of his witness being excluded. Mr. O'Donnell, a magistrate, at the close of the proceedings, said he regretted that a respectable man had been turned out, but he also said that the Commissioners could not do otherwise. It appeared that Mr. Stoney could have had no difficulty at all in making a proper return, for it appeared that the parish contained 497 Protestants, 1,213 Catholics, and two Presbyterians—a fact which was well-known to himself. Out of several thousand cases there were only five complaints against the Commissioners sent in to the Irish Government. He had seen those complaints of charges : one of them was from a Noble Lord, clergymen ; and other four from Protestant and in every instance the answers returned were said to be , go into satisfactory.—( Hear.) He would not explanation as to the character of this —entleman, or of the proceedings that had taken place be tween him and his parishioners ; he would only beg the House to consider the situation in which the Commissioners were placed. They had a most arduous duty to perform, and charges, therefore, should not be lightly brought against them. He did not know why the Rev. Mr. Stoney had not thought proper to place his petition in the hands of his own diocesan (the Archbishop of Tuam) who was a Member of that House who knew the character of Mr. Strong, and might inquire into the circumstances attending this charge, He, however, preferred sending it to the Right Rev. Prelate, who could know nothing of the circumstances of the case, of the character of Mr. Stoney, or of the litigation that occurred in his parish. Therefore he called upon their Lordships in the name of these petitioners to compel Mr. Stoney to make good the charges that had been brought against them, or to relieve them from charges which every one of their Lordships must consider the severest and the heaviest that could be put upon men in their situation. The Noble Lord concluded by presenting the petition. The Bishop of E N ETER would not follow the Noble Viscount in his details, nor would he comment on the conduct either of Mr. Stoney, Mr. Hughes, or the Commissioners. He:simply wishedito state his reason for presenting this petition. In the first place, he wished to set himself right respecting the terms of the motion of which he had given notice. The notice which he delivered was, riot a charge against the Com missioners for persecuting Protestant Clergymen, but for their partial and unfair conduct, and also praying protection against the persecutions which Protestants were suffering in Ireland—not from the Commissioners, but from the Papists of that country. The Noble Viscount also stated it as a most extraordinary circumstance in this case, that the petitioner did not think fit to place his petition in the hands of his own diocesan. The fact was simply this ; that Right Rev. Prelate, the Archbishop of Tuam, had not been in England since the first day of the session ; he (the Bishop of Exeter), however, communicated the circumstances to him, and enquired as to the character of Mr. Stoney, and it was only his duty to state that he received an answer, thanking him in the most handsome for undertaking the case of one of his clergy, of whom he spoke in the highest terms, as onee whose every statement might be received as true. Tqe Right Rev. Prelate then explained the reason why he did not bring the matter forward sooner, by stating that he could not find Mr. Craig, the Commis sioners name, in the Commission upon their Lordship's table, and also from the circumstance cf the Easter recess, and the inquiries he had found it necessary to make, in order to bring the subject satisfactorily before the House. The return to that motion had not been made until that morn ing—it had been only just placed in their Lordship's hand. He should be ashamed to take advantage of any want of form ; but there was one point to which he begged to direct their Lordships' attention.lt appeared that Mr. Craig had required Mr. Stoney to attend him, but it turned out that he had no right to issue such orders, for the commission made it im perative on commissioners, that two or more should be connected in all their inquiries whatsoever.—( Hear. ) That had increased his (the Bishop of Exeter) anxiety to see the Commission under which Mr. Craig had been appointed, and that Commission had been placed in his hands only that day. But it was not the paper which he had moved for—it was not the document which the Noble Viscount had promised to lay upon their Lordship? table, it was merely a warrant under which a Commission was afterwards to be executed ; and it was rather strange, that in a case where the production of the paper was of such importance, the proper one had not been producep. He appealed to the Noble and Learned Lord (Brougham) whether that was a Commission, for he believed his name was appended to it.—( A laugh. ) Lord BROUGHAM did not see how his name being men tioned in it could make him answerable for its contents.— ( Cries of prder.) The Bishop of EXETER resumed. The petition re quired of their Lordships to compel Mr. Stoney to bring forward his case while the gentlemen complained of were present, but Mr. Stoney was at present in Ire land ; and he (the Bishop of Exeter) was quite persuaded that the Reverend Gentleman would bring it forward whenever their Lordships wished it, and if Mr. Stoney did not do so, he (the Bishop of Exeter) would not bring the petition forward at all. In another week the Report of the Commissioners of Public Instruction would be upon their Lordships' table ; and under these circumstances he thought he would be doing very wrong if he thrust the case forward. Lord BROUGHAM 'having been called upon by the Right Rev. Prelate, felt it his duty to offer a few observations. He did not blame the Noble Viscount for presenting the petition, neither (lid he blame the Right Reverend Prelate to whom the petition had been entrusted for not presenting it earlier. The Right Reverend Prelate, in the exercise of of his discretion, had postponed presenting the petition; that, however, was not the misfortune—the great misfortune was the notice. (From the London New Price Current of this evening.) SUGAR.—The supplies of New Sugars at Market last week, were better than what we have lately been accustomed to, but they were by no means abundant ; there was a steady market, the sales of West India Muscovades were about 3,500 hhds. and trs. at full market prices. The landings of New West India Sugar last week were about 3,000 hogsheads and tierces ; the Market is better supplied, but not so fully anticipated, but there has been less eagerness in buy ing this morning. At the close of the day the estimated sales were 700 hhds. and trs. including the public sale of Bar badoes 153 hhds., the whole sold at full market prices, but without the previous briskness. The stock of West India is now 14,001 hhds. and trs., being 6078 less than last year. The stock of Mauritius 121,917 bags, being 26,093 more than last year. The delivery of West India 2,409 hhds. and trs., being 37 less than last year. The delivery of Mauritius 7,958 bags, being 316 more than the corresponding week of 1834. The stocks of Refined goods were again last week quite in adequate to the demand, and in consequence higher prices were obtained for the few parcels offering, and higher rates also paid for forward delivery, goods at the long price 755. and 755. 6d., and the short price 345. 6d. and 355. There is no alteration to notice in Refined this afternoon, few or no goods are offering for sale. MAURITIUS.—The public sales of Friday 6,600 bags Mauri tious Sugar went off briskly at full prices, and in some in stances 6d. per cwt. higher. By public sales this day 6.143 bags went off at full prices, but without the former briskness in the biddings, low grey to fine 525. a 585., low yellow to fine 523. 6d. a 585., brown 495. a 525. EAST INDIA.-The sales of East India Sugars were chiefly Manilla and Java, at the late prices. FOREION.—Th e sales last week were 1,000 boxes yellow Havannah, at 28s. 6d. a 295. ; another cargo afloat f or Ant werp, at the latter ; a cargo o Brazil (Paraiba) for Trieste ; whites at 28s. 6d., brown at 225. ; also a small parcel of white Parnams here, at 275. Average price of Sugar, 1/. I Is. 2,1 d. per cwt. .1.,1):A ,vloLasbab.-1 he late sales are of ord. quality 21s. a 225. ASSURANCE COMPANIES, Ste,. &c. COFFEE.—The good to fine ord. Jamaica descriptions were last week again 2s. per cwt. higher, 90s. a 100 s., the mid. 100 s. 6d. a 1055., were Is. higher, the other British Plantation at former prices, good to fine ord. Demerara 91s. a 965., mid. 98s. a 100 s., good mid. Berbice 106 s. a 109 s. The East India and Foreign Coffee continued in demand at prices about Is. per cwt. higher. About 1,000 bags Ceylon sold 58s. 6d. a 595. for the good ord., and 625. a 635. for fine quality; 400 bags good ord. Brazil sold at 535. ; a small parcel fine ord. Havannah at 625. 6d. By public sale this day, 98 casks 12 bags Jamaica Coffee : 'good to fine ord. sold 955. a 995. ; mid. 100 s. 6d. a 102 s. heavy, and a shade lower; 35 bags mid. Batavia 545. a 545. 6d. By private contract the demand for East India Coffee continues, but there are few sales. RUM, BRANDT, AND HOLLANDS.—There are few sales of Rum to report, the prices rennin nominally the same as last week, the small imports appear to disappoint the buyers. In Brandy or Geneva there is little alteration. TaLLow.--The Russian houses here continue firm holders of Tallow, and the market prices appear steadily advancing. The speculators in Tallow here who have sold so largely at 375., cannot now import under 445., as the advices from Petersburgh quote the prices a shade higher. COTTON.—There has been little business done in Cotton, the buyers waiting the event of the public sa.les on Friday next. The sales at Liverpool last week about 23,000 bags, ic— T h e t r this s is market mor e demandthe prices of Americ an a s h a d e l ower , B raz il s ra th er hi g h e r, but generally is steady.RE.for Rice, the prieb.: l are 6d. to Is. higher, considerable purchases are report e d at I,lle im provement. TIM SUN, LONDON, TUISDAY, MAY 26, .1835 PRICES OF CANALS, tiOCK. STOur, . :LONDON ) TUESDAY ; MAY 26. !4-11fitbet Di;9o - iti Pree • eT hr i',Af/AL .; per .. - -:hares. A nnUM. Paid. Share, 1,7C0 61 per cent. Ashton and Oldham....Average 971. ISs. sh. 157 1,482 fit. Ashby de..1: , -Zotteh Average 113/. sh. c 5 1,20 Basingstoke IOU/. sh. 54 1,005 51. Brecknock ,lid Ahergav enny 1511 . sh P 5 4,^oolsh 11. 108. Birmingham, 1 share 171. 10s. 241 4,00.1 Ditto and Liverpool .Innet...,li,W, sh. all pd qn6 ino.i.:: tif!ligtit , ater t..'941. TPotilh ::;:itint 4.. all lid (34 4' . J 1. Cheliner and Blackwater lon/ sh. lit: 500 42/. Coventry 4,516 .... ..... Croydon Average 311. 2s. 10d. sh. 01 VOGli 3t. 10s. Dudley lOl. sh. 74 6(XO 61. Derby 100/ sh. 1:0 3,57 - Ellesmere and, Chester Average 1331. sh. 8,81 231 1 43 , Erqwash.. , .,, .... . , '9: i eh, 515 l, 8? ‘ - )ft' r rirkii. rmtl . klsq( . 6 .:ii..,Aterkilie . 4 . 04 . . i(iA..h. tiot I ,t,P) 12/. lalfaild Jutietldii • 10 1. sh. t. 37 .4,8494 Grand Union 1001. sh. 23 1 r..,, . 1 41 sh. ...... .. 1211 ,0 0 0'. U. per cent. Ditto optionai) .i..,,a,i u / 73 3,096 Grand Western 600 13/. 12s. ed. Glam. rganshire, Average cost 172/. 13s. 4d. 280 1,01;0 ... (110aestcr anti Bermey“:., - ••, • • -•!twc sit 15 719 ,01: dratithatii • • • •- . " • • 150/. sh. 202 6,t18 11. 103. Huddersfield average 571. Os. lid, sh. 33 100 Kensington lOl sh all pd. . 10 25,328 11. Kennet and Avon, Average 39/.Bs. 104. sh. 201 2,97-i 2(1. Leeds and Liverpool 101`/. sh. 533 545 12/. Leicester l4O/ th. 119 9n7 4/. Leicester and Northamp'.on...Aver '63/. 10s. 50 550 54 per cent. Liskeard and Looe Union 251. sh. all pd. 25 7 , 1 144/. Loughborough Average 142/. 17s. sh. %COO 2,41.9 VI . Monmouthshire lOOl. sh. 180 `250 9/. Melton Mowbray 100/ sh. 190 500 25/. Mersey and lrwell lOO/. sh. 569 3,000 Macclesfield 1001. sh all pd. 52 247 151. Neath 1001. sh. 101 Nene Navigation Bonds ...1(4 1 /. O. 10t1. pd. 100 1,781 321. Oxford 100/. sh. 1)15 _ 522 2/. Oakham 1301. sh. 28 2,409 41. Peak Forest Average about 781. sh. 104 21,3)8 14s. Regent's (or London) Aver. 331. 16s. ed. sli. 161 5,669 51. per cent. Rochdale Average 851. sh. 123 500 8/. Shropshire 1251. sh. 140 800 101. Somerset Coal i se/, sh. 163 45,0061. 61 pt..: cent. Ditto Lock Fund Stock l2l. 10s. sh. 125 700 36/. Stafford and Worcester 144/. sh. 690 503 11/. Shrewsbury 125l sh. 2424 300 81. Stourbridge 3,647 11.. 10s. Stratford-on- Av .n ...Average 791.95. Sd. sh. :11 533 131. Swansea 1001. sh. 205 3,762 14 Severn and Wye and Railway...Av 35/. sh. 19 2,600 ish. 321. 10s. Trent and Mersey, I share 1001. sh. 625 8,149 Thames and Medway...Aver. 19/. ss. Bd. sh. 2 I,COO 00 1 : I 15 1. Warwick and Birmingham 1001. sh. 280 .000 9SO 12/. Warwick and Napton lOOl. sh. 218 6,000 3/ 10s. Worcester and Birmingham...A v. 784 Ss. sh 87 1 1 2 , .,000 ss. Wilts and Berl, .. Average 161. 17s. Bd. sh. 5 goo 64 Wyrley and Essington 125/. sh 75 1.:6 ,„. ..... Wisbeach 905 14 Wey and Arun .5.....1101. sh. 21 DOCKS. 2,600 1001. sh. €1 Sc 1,0650 h. I 3p. c. Commercial Stock 50 East India .198,664/.. - -.- . 3,23%310/. _l. ss. p. et. London Stock 58 ' Ditto Bonds lO3 1,390,0001. 5/. per et. West India 2,`..0 i 3/. 6s. 4d. Bristol ... Average 1471. 19s. sh. 65,324/. 51. per cent. Ditto Notes, various amounts 11(1 1,352,752 3 per cent. St. Katharine Stock (39 500,000 4i per cent. Ditto Bonds lOll 200,000 4 per cent. Ditto Bonds for 10 yea :a lO 4 Shoreham Harbour 257k BRIDGES. 1,6C0 11. Hammersmith 5O/. sh. 213 7,231 Southwark, Old Av. 63/. 2s. Bd. sh. 23 1,700 1/. 15s. Ditto, New, of 73 per cent. 5Ol. sh. 15 5,000 5,000 1/. 2s. Ditto, Old Annuities of 84 604 pd 2.53 5,000 ltss. 3d. Ditto, New Ditto of 71 401. pd 223 t:0,0001. 51. per cent. Ditto Bonds llB 6,000 1/. Vauxhall Average 701. 10s. 3d. sh. 22 ASSURANCE COMPANIES. 2,000 3/ lOs Albion 5001. sh. 50/. pd 761. 50,000 [ 5 P a 7 d e L l : t 'l Alliance, British & Foreign 100/. sh. 101. pd 11i 50,000 t 3 per cent. Ditto, Marine 1001. sh. Si. pd 51 24,000 103. per sh. Atlas 1,200 sh. 41. Birmingham Fire 2501. sh. 55/. pd 103 20,000 41. per cent. British Fire 2504 i.h. 501. pd 40 12,000 Cl. per cent. British Commercial 501. sh. 51. ptl 61 5,000 51. per cent. Clerical, Medical, &c. Life...loo/. sh. 21 lOs pd Si 4,000 21 lOs County 'OO/. sh. 101. pd 42 6,000 ss. Eagle 50/. sh. Si. pd 51 200 S 5 per cent.l Economic Life /and 30/ bs. lOOOl. sh. 2501. pd 315 2,271 51/. percent. European Life °O/. sh. all pd 22 50,000 2s. Ditto, New C.OI. sh. 2/. pd 1.1 1,000,0001. 71. per et. Globe 'tock 1551 20,000 1/. Guardian 1001. sh. 201. pd 331 Fire 5 o ct. 40 000 I . . I Hope • Life S p ct. 501. sh. Si. pd 6 2,400 5/. 7s. 6d. Imperial Fire 500/. sh. 50/. pd 117 7,500 Os. Imperial Life 100/. sh. 10/. pd 0; Si. per cent. Indemnity Marine 140/. sh. 8/. pd 12 2,020 3/ Ke,.t Fire 50/• sh. all pd 85 ....... 10,. 00 16s. Law Life 100/. sh. 10/, pd 26 3,900 1/. London, Fire 251. sh. 12/. 10s. p•I 231 31 001 1/. London, Ship "51. sh. 12/. 10s. pd 01 3..,0: h, ; 1. per cent. Palladium Life 50/. sh. 21. pd 2/ 5., ; 25,00 I Is. tid. 1 rotes for Fire 2O/. sh. 2/. pd I/ 9s (id 2,500 11. Provident Life lOOl. sh. 10/. pd 191 100,000 ss. Rock Life 201. sh. 21. pd 51 lOs 649,2201. 51. per ceut. Royal Exchange ' Stock... 1861 Sun 2IC 50,000 4 per cent. United Kingdom Life 2l. pd 2/ 26 ed ,JOINT STOCK BANKS. 5,000 Au‘trala , ia 4O/. sh. 261. pd 29 10,000 10 percent. Bank of Birmingham 5(l. sh. 10/. pd 121 10,000 10 per cent. Birmingham Bank 5Ol. sh. 51. pd 12 18,000 2 per cent. London and Westminster-100/ sh. 151. pd 3,000 Lancaster 100/. sh. 2°l. pd 30 25,i iOO 6 per cent. Liverpool 100/. sh. 101. I.d 15 20,000 7 per cent. Provincial Bank of Ireland 100/. sh. 251. pd 48 10,000 National Provincial Eng. IOU sh. 25/. pd 10,000 10 per cent. Gloucestershire 501. sh. Si. pd 11 6,000 - GAS LIGHT AND COKE COMPANIES. 2,500 1112 g Bath 2O/. sh. FL pd 26 5,000 (3/. per cent. British 4O/. sh. 16/. pd 23 5/ rer cent. 5,000 E ar l Bs. 55. 1 Ditto Provincial 20/ sh. 191. pd 24 844 5/ lOs Birmingham 5O/ sh. 100 4,250 21 Os Bristol 1,500 Brighton 2O/. sh. 14 :50 Ditto, New 2,471 5 per cent. Brighton General 20/. sh. all pd 19 4,000 3/. Continental Cansolidated IOW. 54/. pd 76 1,000 JO/. City of London .................1001. sh. all pd 1921 1,000 61. Ditto, New 4.000 4/. Equitable "Si. ixl 3 4 6,000 6/. per cent. East London 5/. sh. 4/. pd 41 10,000 5/. per cent. Imperial 5O/. sh. 43 800 51. per cent. Isle of Thanet 254 sh. 20/. pd 24 2.350 6/. per cent. I ndependent 3O/. sh. all pd 50 9,000 4/. per cent. Pheenix 50/. sh. 39/. pd 24 1,000 4/. per cent. Ratcliff 100/. sh. CO/. pd 4,000 South Metropolitan 5"/ sh. 13/. pd 141 8,200 5/. per cent. United General 5O/. sh. 441. pd 40 210 51. per cent. Warwick sql. sh. 50 400 - 11 5e Wakefield 95/. sh. 221 12,000 31. Westminster Chartered 5O/. sh. 47 6,000 12s. Ditto, New .50/. sh. 101. pd 9ex d 00 WATER WORKS. 4,800 Birmingham 25/. sh. 25/. pd 27 4,433 5/. East London lOO/. sh. 1381 4 , 5 00 2/ lOs Gr aid Junction ....Average 411 13s. 4d. sh. 58 2,000 21. Kent 100/. sh. 40a47 3- '8 10/. Liverpool Bootle--*- .. - . ... .. . .... WO/. sh. 300 1 ,500 2/ lOs New River London Bridge ............... 58 6,485 1/ . Manchester and Salford 1 ,000 4 per cent. South London 1001. sh. 85 8, 00 31. West Middlesex ....Average 63/. 12s. 9d. sh. 79 1 , 3 60 11 14s York Building Co. Lessee Prop 100/ sh. 34 IRON RAILWAYS. 350 Cheltenham 1001. sh. 73 2,000 Clarence lOO/ eh. 1001. pi 47 2 , 50 0 19s. Forest of Dean 5O/. pd 27 Grand Junction 100/ sh. 30/. p 1 331 2,0'0 Ilartlepool 100/. sh. 100!.1H1 80 2,100 Leeds and Selby 1,500 Leicester and Swannington .. ..51'l. sh all pd 51 5,100 9 p er cen t. Liverpool and Manchester...oo/. sh. 1001. 1 ,1 193 Ditto Quarter Shares 's/. pd 48 20,000 London and Greenwich "0/. sh. 131. pd 25,000 2,500 Preston and Wigan 2O/. pd 2 800 MINES. 8,000 Albion Copper 5/. sh. 2/. pd 4# 4,000 Alien 151. sh. 10/. 10s. pd 14 10,000 Anglo Mexican, iss. 5/. pm.... 100/. sh. all psi Ditto Subscription "5/. pd 2,000 Bolanos il ) , 0 00 3/. ,s. Brazilian Imp. iss. 51. pm 35/. sh. '2O/. lxi 6,0e0 Macaubas & Cocaes United 45/. sh. 201. pd 19 Ditto St. John Del Rey 201. sh. ill. pd 11,000 Cata Branca a 41/. dd Camlonga 9,00'i Bolivar Copper Company 201. sh. 20/. pd 10,0 , 0 Ditto Scrip 9/. pd 5 20,000 British Copper il. sh. 3fl. pd 6,000 Colombian, iss. 5/. pm. 551 sh. 54f/. pd 1,500 1!. English 121 Its. pd 2, , 1.%0 General Mining Association...2o/ sh. ILI pd 10,000 Mexican Company 10 . 1. sh 4911. pd 2( 1 ,000 ... ...... Polberou Consols 10!. sh. Si. pd 11,500 Real del Monte, Unregistered 25 Ditto Loan Notes 150/. pd 5,000 United Mexican, iss. 2 pm. ....40/. sh. all ixi 30,000 Ditto Subscription 2/. pd Ditto New Scrip 5l Pd Union Gold, iss. 21. ss. pm.... 221/. s h. 411. pd 5,C 00 West Cork 504 sh. 25/. pd LITERARY INSTITUTIONS. 1,000 L•ndon, with Bronze Ticket 75gs. sh. 20 1,500 Lend - n University 1011. sh. all pd 2•4 ;00 Russell ‘ , ',gs. sh. 8 King's College 1001. pd 4 44 MISCELLANEOUS. 10,0"0 les. Australian Agricultural....loeL sh. 2CI/. ph 3 ) 1,001 11. Auction Mart 50/. sh. 6,00 British American Land Company ` l l. pd C i l 10,000 6/ per cent. Canada Company 10 " ,/. sh. 201. pd 200,000 5/. per cent. Upper Canada Loan City Bonds, 4 per cent lO2 15,000 IL per cent. (;eneral Steam Navigation ...151. sh. 13/. pd I /. per cent. Hudson's Bay Stock 260 2,000 IL London Com. Sale Rooms Av. 75/. sh. 11 2,751 41. per eent. Reversionary Interest Scic...loo/ sh. lOU pd 134 '433 4L per cent. Ditto New 1001. sh. V/. pd 76 3,000 10,000 Van Diemen's Land 1001. sh. 161. pd LIST OF SCOTTISH COMPANIES' PRICES, MAY 11, 1835. BANKS. 1 , 500,0001. FL p. ct. Bank of Scotland 5 3/. Gs. &I. sh. all pd 170 p. ct 2,000,000/. 51 p. ct. Royal of Scotland 100/, sh. all pd 1701. 500,000/, ii p. ct. British Linen Company 100/. sh. ;II pd 2:01. 3,000,0001 01. p. ct. Commercial 5OOl. sh. 1001 pd 170/. 5 J on 001. 5 i,. , 1. , , , ! .............. ... —.my s' , . 10/. pd 141 Me • 2,0 0 .:0001. 2t. p. ct. Glasgow Union zo i sii ..',, r"7. 4,000, 0004 p. ct. Western of Scotland 2001. sh 30/. pd 3u/. INSURANCE COMPANIES. 250,0005 h. sp. ct. Scottish Union 201. sh. 1/. pd 19s. 7,500 sp. ct. Hercules 1001. sh. 101. pd 11/. mow sp. ct. Insurance Co. of Scotland....lo/. sh. all pd 710 s 50, 000 6p. ct. North British 2001. oh. 101. pd 151. 10 00 sp. ct. Caledonian Fire 1001. sh. 101. pd 131. 5 000 6p. et. Edinburgh L ife., lOOl. sh. 101. pd 141. 100, 000 4p. ct. West of Scotland lO/. pd 91. MISCELLANEOUS. 4,810 Edin. and Glas. Un. Canal 50/. sh. all pd N lOs Ditto Allocated 951. eh. all pd 604 5 , 400 5 per cent. Edinb. Joint Stock Water 25/. sh. all pd 33/. Carron Iron Company 2501. sh. all pd 450/. 2,001. h. 15 per cent. Shotts Iron Foundery 50/. sh. 3g. pd 18/. 1 0 , 000 3 per cent. Edinburgh & Leith Glass 201 sh. 16/. pd t'l. 4500 10 per cent. Edinburgh Coal Gas 25/. s h. a ll pd 645/. 4,450 10 per cent. Glasgow Gas 251. sh. all pd 60/. 730 6 per cent. Leith Coal Gas 201. sh. all pd 33/. 1,200 5 per cent. Edinburgh and D a lk e ith hallway-5U sh. 754 3000 5 per cent. Equitable Loan Company...2sl. sh. 101. pd 9/. COURSE OF EXCH. Amsterdam C.F. 12 si, Ditto, at sight Rotterdam 2U. 12 5 , ..i Antwerp l2 4' Hamburg M.B. 131 4 Altona l3 14 Paris, 3 days sight 25 60 Ditto ... .... .............. 2 Us 25 20 Bordeaux . F- an k orton Maine, Ex.M 1524 Pcter.migh, ruble 3 Us. 1014 nerliii Vienna, effective 11 2M. 10 4 Trieste ...... ditto lO 5 Madrid '1714 Cadiz 374 Bilboa ..... Barcelona g e "jlle '37 Gibraltar 4B INGE.-( THIS DAY.) ;Leghorn 17%, Genoa 25 ~0 'Milan 3l Venice 4 714 Naples 40% 'Palermo per oz. 1211 Lisbon 57 Oporto 57% .Rio Janeiro 37 'Bahia 26% , Buenos Ayres Dublin, 21 days' sight ll4 Cork PA PRICE OF BULLION, PER OZ. Portugal Gold, coin £0 0 0 Foreign Gold, in bars 3 17 9 New Doubloons New Dollars Silver, bars, standard 0 4 113 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. MAY A M - POU SE 6P 23% -^fitions Lord JAMES prt3torited a number °it from towns in Scotland in favotti' bi ibt! Plstrthlished Church of that country: (711ILDS' CASE. Lord JOHN RUSSELL that this case de served the serious consideration of the House, di yell for, the sake of the oppressions which Mr. Childs appeared to have suffered aa for the sitala!ion in which a great portion of their fellow-subjects, the Dissai!ng placed. The statements which had been made on behalf' ihd wardens was this—that during the last year some gentlemen had refused to pay the Church-rates ; their goods were dis trained3 but wrse afterwards returned under circumstances of excitement and to nuit, and they therefore thought that it would be better to take another course upon the present occa sion, in order that the same scenes which occurred last year They thought likewise that it would be better to take the case 1..t0 othet Coutts—to some judge who would be a stranger to all parties, rstbor than to a Court composed by persons residing in the neighbouritscrl. As was said by the Hon. and Learned Member ( Mr. Kelly) he con ceived that these motives really opeesital epon the minds of the Churchwardens. But at the same time he resist say that he thought the decision was unfortunate, and that they were not justified in taking this course. The first objection was, that by this course of proceeding they were obliged to imprison the person of Mr. Childs, an individual of the highest respectability, who acted upon conscientious scruples, and the imprisonment of whose person could not fail to excite the greatest sympathy and the strongest feelings of indignation against those who caused it. If they had proceeded against his goods they might, as the Hon. Member for Middlesex had stated, have brought the case before the Magistrates, and ob tained a distraint against his goods, and thus to obtain the money that was due to them. He thought there was another reason why they should not have proceeded as they had done. It appeared to him clear that the Intention of the law of the Act of the 53d of George the Third, that for any sum under 10/. the remedy to be resorted to should not be the Ecclesiastical Court. That was clearly shewn by one of the provisions in the Act, from which it was evident that if the rate did not exceed 101. the framers of the Act thought that they had prevented the Ecclesiastical Court from interfering. He (Lord J. Russell) thought, therefore, the Churchwardens had better have adopted the remedy which they adopted last year, and that they ought not to have proceeded to the imprison ment of the person of Mr. Childs. If the law teas not clear— if it was not clearly shown to be the intention of the framers of the Act to give the jurisdiction to the Ecclesiastical Court, only in cases where the sum amounted to more than 101., the sooner it was made clear the better. As he had said so much of the case of Mr. Childs, he must say a word in consequence of what had been said by the Hon. Member for Middlesex. That Honourable Gentleman had stated that he hoped his Majesty's Ministers would undertake the settle ment of the question of Church-rates. He ( Lord John Russell) could not but say, after what had been stated by the present Earl of Spencer, when in that House last year, and the settled resolution of Lord Grey's Government, that it was most desirable the question should be settled, and that the rate should be abolished. There was, however, a difference of opinion between the then Government and those who agreed in the abolition of Church-rates, and that difference arose partly from the assertion of a principle by Lord Al thorp—a principle which the friends of the Established Church required to be enforced—that it was the duty of the State to take care that the fabric of the Establishment should be kept in properrepair, and therefore that that principle ought to be maintained.—( Hear, hear.) 1, Sir, am still of that opinion. His Majesty's Government are also of the opinion so declared by Lord Althorp, that it is the duty of a Legislature wishing to maintain the Established Church, to see and provide that the churches of the Establishment are kept in proper repair. Therefore, in any measure to which I could be a party (I will not now enter into the question what that measure ought to be), it would be my duty to see that due provision was made that the churches of the Establishment should not be suffered to fall into decay and ruin. —(Great cheering, more especially from the Opposition..? With this state of the question before us, it is important to consider it most deliberately ; and with this view it is equally important to have before us all the facts which are likely to be brought before Parliament and the pub lic, not only by the Church• Commission appointed by Lord Grey's Government, but by the Commission appointed by the Government of the Right Hon. Baronet opposite, and which Commission will, I hope, be • renewed, But, Sir, there is something farther which I have to state, with re spect to bringing forward this question during the present session, and I will state it as plainly as I can to the House, without arguing the propriety or impropriety of what I have to say, but leaving it to the judgment of Hon. Members to decide upon it as it shall seem to them fitting. His Majesty's present Ministers have resolved to undertake, during the present session, to propose to Parliament a ques tion of very great magnitude, and of very great extent, and I must add, of very great detail, with respect to municipal corporations.—( Great cheering.) They have likewise under taker, and resolved to bring forward, in the course of no very long time, a question regarding not only tithes in Ireland, but the carrying into effect a resolution of this House which I had the honour to move before the adjournment.—( Cheers. ) Now if I have gained anything from the experience of the last three years during which I was in the Government it is this, that I think we frequently fell into difficulties by under taking too great a multiplicity of business at once.—(Loud cheers from the Opposition, echoed back from the Ministerial benches.) And that although we were enabled to pass some very great questions—(Cheers)--and although, in the course of the last four years, we were enabled to propose and carry measures through Parliament, exceeding in importance, and exceeding in magnitude, any questions that, in a similar period of time, were ever proposed and carried in Parliament by any Government—(Cheers)—yet, at the same time, there were va rious other questions which occupied our consideration, which were brought before Parliament by different Hon. Members, which, at the end of the session, in the month of August, we found we were unable to carry forward, for want of time to give them due consideration.—( Hear, hear.) Therefore, ready as I am to consider any of those questions which were brought into this House by the late Government—ready as I am to entertain and discuss any question which any Hon. Member may introduce, yet I am not prepared, as far as the Govern ment is concerned, to pledge that Government to undertake any question further than those two—municipal reform in England and Wales, and the reform of the Irish Church, in cluding/the settlement of the tithe question.—( Hear, hear.) For this reason I will not undertake, during the present ses sion, to bring forward any measures with respect to Church rates.--( Opposition cheers.) It is a question upon which my opinions are well known, and one which I would readily bring forward, in order to consult the interests of the Dissenters, as well as the interests of the Established Church, but at this time I cannot do so ; and I wish the Hon. Member for Mid dlesex, clearly to understand the grounds or, which it is that I will not pledge his Majesty's Government to bring that ques tion before the Legislature during the present session. Sir ROBERT PEEL—Sir, I have nothing to find fault with respect to the principle which the Noble Lord has announced on the subject of Church rates, because, if I un derstand the Noble Lord, he distinctly admits that it is an essential condition of an Established Church, that the State should provide for the maintenance and repair of the Churches. —( Opposition cheers, in the midst of which Mr. Hume was understood to express his dissent, while Lord John Russell bowed in assent.) Sir, I hope the Noble Lord will be al lowed to be the interpreter of his own opinions; and that at the moment the Noble Lord is assenting to my construc tion of his own words, I may take that assent to be the in dication of his opinion, notwithstanding the contradiction which some one behind me gives with reference to the No ble Lord's assertion.—( Opposition cheers.) The Noble Lord, in the conclusion of his speech, to remove all doubt upon the subject, expressly declared that his opinions upon this question were well known. By that I naturally inferred (and I have no right to infer any other opinion), that as the Noble Lord's opinions are well known, he still maintains the opinions which he boldly declared when Lord Althorp brought forward the measure of Church rates. Lord JOHN RUSSELL—With regard to the principle. Sir ROBERT PEEL—With regard to the principle— the question of principle, I apprehend, being whether the State is bound to maintain and repair the fabric of the churches. That was the proposition brought forward by Lord Althorp—brought forward in the spirit of great accom modation to, and with the intention and practical effect of, re lieving the Dissenters from a great burden. The proposition of Lord Althorp was this—that whereas he, finding the total amount of the expenditure for the repairs of the church, and the performance of divine service, to be between 500,000/. and 600,000 L, he proposed, with respect to a large portion of that sum, not to make any provision ; but said, " I will throw upon those who are members of the Church the neces sity of providing for all those expenses, for which there is hardly a legal or equitable motive for charging the country generally, amounting to 360,0001." " But (said Lord Al thorp) there is another sum, I find, estimated at 250,0001. annually, which is expended in the repairs of the fabrics of the Establishment; and I consider• it to be essential to the priaciple of an Establishment, that the State should provide for that object. I do, therefore, propose to give this great boon to those who couseientiously dissent from the Established Church ; that is, to relieve them from any charge on account of that sum of 360,000/. expended either improvidently or for objects not properly connected with the principle of an establishment. But with respect to the sum of 250,0001., I will relive the Dissenters as well as others altogether from the vexation of individual collection ; I will relieve you altogether from occasional demands of payment to the church-rate in addition to county-rates and poor-rates, and will transfer to the general revenues, and merge that charge in the general expenditure of the country, so that no one may have to object to the vexation of a public charge, nor, on ac count of conscientious scruples, to the payment of an indivi dual charge." That was the rational, and, as it appears to me, the just proposition made by Lord Althorp. In that pro position the Noble Lord and the other members of the present Government concurred, and it had the advantage, in support of the principle, of the speech of the Noble Lord. That proposition, however, was met by a counter-proposition by the Hon. Member for Middlesex,. but which was declared by the Noble Lord and by Lord Althorp to differ altogether from the principle they had supported. The Hon. Gentleman proposed that the Church-rates should be abolished. He proposed, equally with Lord Althorp, that all charges of an equivocal nature should be removed without an equi valent, but he objected to the proposition of the Noble Lord to provide an equivalent for that portion of the rates which were not of an equivocal- nature, out of the reve nues of the State. He did -not, indeed, go to the extent of saying that the Church should make good the deficiency, but he made _this proposition as differing in principle from the - _ - proposition of the two Noble Lords. It was moved by the Hon. Member for Middlesex, " That it would be inexpedient to take into consideration any proposition to provide means for the maintenance of the e difi ces b e l ong i ng t o the Establishe d Church, until ouid t b h e e krw a io mo n, unt of the funds belonging to that and found to be inadequate to meet that end other cliaree'L'•" Upon that proposition, involvi ngle principle *f ari an ce with tin; one asserted by the two Nobee Lords, the House divided, and 1 hed the satisfaction o f di-, viding with the Noble Lord opposite and Lord A lthor p , and ivu eeceeesfully maintained our common principle , in opposi tion to the Hen, Gentleman, by 256 to 140; thus es tablishing that it was essential to the existence of the principle of an Es Church Es tablishment that provision should he made for the support ° the fanrie by the State. I have heard with the greatest satis faction this night, that the Noble Lord retains, though he is not prepared to carry them out this session, the original opieil which he last session defended with such great ability' and tat although he proposes delay, yet upon the principle s of the e measure he has not changed.—( Cheers.) Believing th e cours hich the Noble Lord took last year to be a wise concessicer to the conscientious scruples of the Dissenters—and it is right I should say this, and that I should not attempt to gain Of popularity by concealing what I myself intended to do--he lieving, I say, the course of the Noble Lord to be a wise onee I have no hesitation in saying, that although I should have felt it my duty to have put an end to this question of Church -rates had .I remained is office, yet it was my intention to adopt the principle advocated by the Noble Lord—that of doing seeeY, with all equivocal charges, and of making, in lieu of C hao rates, provision by the State out of the public revenue-e -( Great cheering)—to the extent contemplated by the Nob Lord. It is right the Noble Lord should hare the benefit, in support of the principle which he is disposed to inein tain, the declaration I have now made. At the same time 1 11 r.! bound to say, that I should not have proposed to impose t11:50 charge upon the land-tax. That, in point of fact, ;let use a disrespectful term, was a conundrum discovered tee moment it was proposed. It was nothing more than an 8 " vance from the general funds of the State, and my e r°P° ; sition would have been to have paid it by a direct vote eele of the public revenue. It would have been connectl" with a proposition for the relief of Ireland from the sr rears on account of tithes—( Cheers)—and also a proposil for granting aid to Scotland on behalf of the Establish , Church.—(Great cheering from the Opposition.) Theusi were the equivalents to the other parts of the empire whiek,ie should have proposed for voting this money out of the pue'ef revenue, for the purpose of giving a bonus to this par e t ..o the empire alone. But the satisfaction with which IBed, : J o heard the Noble Lord's declaration on the principle is g ree qualified by hearing the declaration of its being intended leave this question in its present state for another y ear be. (Cheers, and cries of " Hear, hear," from all p arts of le, House.) This is a practical question, that requires iielnis diate settlement.—( Renewed Cheers.) And let me te le ll o Noble Lord that he is under a peculiar obligation to edv an , the settlement of this questien. You may refer to the e°°.,, duct of these Churchwardens and to the unwillingness a !f a ' sons to pay Church-rates ; but they will refer you to r ie own Act of Parliament brought in by your Governme nt the year 1834, which asserted the necessity of a bolish 3 Church-rates, and of providing a remedy for the d ev arising out of their existence. Can you be surprised the dissatisfaction with which Church-rates are /i c e Can you be surprised at the embarrassments in el ue e churchwardens are involved in the collection of s t he rates, if Government bring in a measure denouncing e system, and which was carried by a majority of 256 to 1 4 %,, April 1834, and when June 1835 is approaching, the Goveltie meet come down and say, " Although our principles nrese question remain the same, yet we are not prepared—('t of Opposition cheering)—to propose a practical settlernee see it ?"—( Renewed cheering from the Opposition.) I eall o n • no ground, if the Noble Lord adheres to his principle, °See which he declines to bring forward the practical r esult t, ; 1 4 Session. I will suggest to him that there are imp stied matters to be considered before the question can be set ere and which were not considered by Lord Althorp. The lu eal e il e was most certainly brought in by that Noble Lord witholltf consideration, and it confirms the statement of the No ble Lib , opposite—( Opposition cheers and laughter)—that netw ee standing the great triumphs of the Noble Lord's Governt es , • yet their attempts were not always unattended with diffieur se —(Laughter and cheers from the same quarter.) .10. always glad, when I can, to produce a practical proof ie a nd port of the arguments of a Minister of the Crown , a d this affords one proof that sometimes the Noble Ler,c,l bat his colleagues did proceed somewhat too hastily, a nd l e ss reasonable men might well believe that a slower er e er in legislation, accompanied with more mature consieee mi l t= and delay, might answer the object of g:":„ policy better than extreme rapidity in bringing forwarsl,-, sures, and an equal rapidity in abandoning them. —( Se , sition cheers.) Lord Althorp said he would vote 25 0, t7 5 e. out of which was to be paid a debt of 60, 000 /. , in c 0 t hat quence of the Church-rates having been mortgaged t Latit amount. But I called for a return of the rea l a loe for which the rates were mortgaged ; and certainly punt surprised to find that instead of the incumbrance airsea ing to 80,0001., it was nearer 827,0001.—( Laug hter ' cheers from the Opposition.) The Noble Lord wil l fir:1110 am not wrong ; and as I have, in order to encourag e the Lord, delivered into his hands the Dissenters' Marriage P e e' will with equal fairness, to enable him to give pra ctical ale to his principles, give to him all the data I have that tee demonstrate the existence of this debt.—( Opposition chi e s With respect to the Reform of Municipal Corporations, all be about to say a word upon that subject, but I fear I eh': of called to order. Without undervaluing the impertanc` fat that measure, yet, so far as public order is concerned-I so' as giving satisfaction to Dissenters is concerned --a° ob far as removing from the Statute-book laws open t 0 sit, jection, and difficult to be enforced—difficult, becaus e „l: vernment has pronounced an intention to abolish th_ee pee will say there is not one question of greater irnee r : t ee in its practical consequences, not one, excepting the ell`-tesisl of the Irish Church, which so much presses for a P ra %g;) settlement as this question of Church-rates.—( Great chee r io% I must confess that I thought that one of the grounds „eel which I had been dismissed from office was, that my ee ee e ees to power had a tendency to interrupt several practical W ells _ s e 4: --(Opposition cheers. )—actually under your consideratioviero which were nipped in the bud by that unfortunate fre e s; took place about the 9th of November last.—(Laug i el te cheers.) It was put upon record in the most formal ° e n the lemn manner by his Majesty's most faithful Commons if amendment to the Address, that they " beg leave subulteeee to add, that they cannot but lament that the progres e , e „der and other reforms should have been interrupted ant' ef° gered—( Loud cheers. )--by the unnecessary dissolutie l . l oo , Parliament earnestly intent upon the vigorous prosee utl e elie h i measures—( Opposition laughter and cheers)--t°,„ an d the wishes of the people were most anxiou s ' , t hee' justly directed.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") if you had askod me, upon the. most solemn obligetS s eol, what more particular measures in addition to el l ,eaer reform, that amendment had especial reference, e t ' t ook have answered---." You must mean a commutation ( " eie and the abolition of Church-rates, because these wer e L.eofr.' measures upon which the late Parliament were mos t r - e, larly and most earnestly intent." I will add one other t esei sure—the Dissenters' Marriage Bill. These were tra sh!. measures which it was said I had interrupted by adh' s „ dissolution of Parliament. What, I ask, is to hapPe.,„e reepect to the commutation of tithes? That, I unde es ': e ifo r to remain over ; the Dissenters' Marriage Bill is postr„-peeedill"i three weeks ; and a declaration has been made by authority—l mean the Member for the Tower Heiu' c ee s stti °- you must not touch this measure individually, be t must consider what influence it will have upon th e Cherillo - rates and upon commutation of tithes, and then wilierf° whi r l large philosophical measure, founded upon princie) If will give universal satisfaction.—( Opposition cheer s e fuh e e had asserted that in the Speech from the Throne--7,0 Oh said do not legislate partially, but do nothing until Y wee' provide for every interest, temporal and spiritual—d ont a, y o lt one subject till all are provided for, then icic le° di e ' might have added, as an amendment, that th e f g°"" lotion of Parliament had interfered with the progres s ° ) measures.—( Cheers, and laughter from the Opeosit i tent ' ll there can be no question if his Majesty's late Govern s c oin" November had turned their attention to the question o' e bee: , mutation of tithes and of Church -rates, they might h a j ' e s oug h ; prepared to bring them forward this Session. Bu t 8' or the Noble Lord has anounced the principle that tithes: o pas to be commuted, still, as in the case of Ch urc h-rates , ee pre: intimated that tha t question will n o t b e se ttled during t'de sent Session. The N o bl e L or d oug ht no t to have ire declaration until he was prepared to follow it up by practical effect. T o ma k e suc h announcem ents of P, r ; to l e re before you are prepared to act upon them, tends on/ epee crease the dissatisfaction of the people with the exist i l e e and to impede the progress of those arrangements bet w f ele"' dividuals, which might supersede the necessity of ; woe alters`" of of the law upon amicable grounds. But upon t e sti. s p rtir Church-ratesesurely the Noble Lord, adhering to ciple, and getting possession of all the facts necessary teioper:, him to act upon that principle—surely, of whatever tance corporation reform may be, or of whatever irelleet (and I admit its importance) the immediate settleord see the Irish Church question may be, the Noble hick (1" his colleagues, having been parties to that Bill e ljeeti" - ,s. nounces the existence of Church-rates, and o n r ie it , e ; still retaining their opinions upon the great prineif by 0 0 volves, and being enabled to execute that peleciPie of smallest possible measu re — name ly, by a mere vote, eecl,! hundred and fifty thousand p oun d s , 'surely the Noble e' reusey in consideration of the interests o f th e Established see etes trY andsconideration of the satisfaction of the people of ands:te rdititi in consideration of maintaining obedience eieieuSs tion to the law, and effecting the supercession of tie bee complaints against particular grievances like those fit so babe heard this night—surely, an Executive CL.vernme llt this greso entrusted with the administration of the atieits of t iot country—(Cheers)—will feel that this question oug.°aadc to be left to the discussion of parish vestries, or to be ear," subject of resistance by p a r oc hial martyrs for ano ther t (Great cheering from the Opposition.) es it said tbi f The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUes— he erse e e he was not the least thrown off his balance by the,rehe Rjg Hon. Gentlemen on the other side of the House. ex elat e Hon. Baronet certainly has made (continued the Ch an e get the Exchequer) a very able speech, but he has not mate a candid one.—(Ministerial cheers.) Let us considee_etweelit'? as possible what is the argument of the Right Hon. Qr; ; Jese He has argued altogether as if—(and I put it tc%t e vel e whether the two cases are at all similar) —as• if * e sel:fi't Government stood now in the position in which it we vvre esee t stood—(Ministerial cheers)—if that change 00 ° e tse o which took place in November last had not. Oeeur r° _;;_iifee'" that change had not been succeeded by a geteeral t re sin 011 ' (Cheers.) There is not one single word cont . lee'' re seee amended Address to the Throne which .1 "is ° " l 4eueeet 4t4 as_ strongly es I voted for it before. If, jndeod,t