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and many .1 purposes and Ar aestion, in .Mary for very same ill ? Was rich Pro he title of he educa stion had appropria ract rcso admitted, 3stion had " Do you `fisting, to ucation of conceive• never can 1k of abo -1 to con for they from the ling tithes ; for they • them"-- - not incr . ight Hon• 'noted the n of the necessary produce! recall Y? !ssed by hat there inciple of :ed, that . THE SUN, LONDON, TiIURSDAY, JULY 23, 1835 ti3n should the Protestant religion_ remain the Establishee religion of this kingdom ? ( Loud cheering from the Oppo site% benches.) He entirely agreed with the Right Hon. Member for Tamworth that the Bill before them was infi nitely too much or too little. It was too much, as irivolt in; a great violation of principle, ithout effecting and great object ; and it was too littla—it was indeed aa a mere speck in the horizon—if regarded as a means of compounding the differences existing already in Ireland. He was not for pushing any vain scheme of proselytism in Ireland ; but at the same time he was desirous of giving the Protestant religion a fair chance of spreading, and he cer tainly joined with his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer in congratulating this Protestant country— and England more especially—that notwithstanding all the numerous disadvantages under which it has recently laboured, the Protestant religion has been recently gaining ground in Ireland. He could conceive a means of aiding its further ex. tension, by employing catechists and schoolmasters speaking the Irish language and professing the Protestant religion, t impart instruction in its principles to the young among tilt Population of Ireland. He would mention another mode of contributing to the same end. He had cordially supported Sir John Newport and his Right Honourable Friend through many years of opposition in their efforts to effect a removal of the vestry cess ; and it certainly was to him d source of pride and joy that he had been a Member of ijie Government by which it was at length re moved. There ins an impost still remaining, which was quite analogous to vestry cess, and which might be with equal propriety rem i tte d—h e mea nt the mi n i s t ers ' mon ey, which was levied in towns to the amount of about 12,0001. a year. If this Bill were to pass, he was quite sure that before three years had elapsed there would be a cry raised for its removal much stronger than was ever heard against vestry cess or against t ithe. Tbe Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, when once contrasting the Catholic Church in Ireland with the Protestant Church, rejoiced that his Church at t was not tainted with the mammon of gold—Oluding, he supposed, to the poverty of the Roman Catholic clergymen there. But how stood the fact? He shrewdly suspected tat the parochial clergy of the ,Roman C at h o li c Ch urc h i n Ireland tzere in the receipt of very 'arge incomes.—( Hear.) He had been present at a Com mittee the other day, when it was distinctly stated that at Clon rnel the annual receipt was 1,000/. ; and yet they were , now about to debate concerning the propriety of fixing the maxi mum of the livings in the Protestant Church at 300/. If they retained a Church Establishment for Ireland, it was absolutely necessary that they should place its ministers above poverty and dependence. He had been asked by an individual, as one living in the neighbourhood of Scotland, what his Scotch neighbours said on this subject, and he had the means of satisfactorily answering the question. He lived on the bor ders of the- country—Scotland, at the south western extre mity of Scotland; and within the last six weeks the Synod of that county and the lay elders had assembled, turd come to the resolution of sending an address to his Majesty, which he had had the honour of placing in his Majesty's hands, to this ef fect:_" We consider any attempt to interfere with the inte grity of the Protestant established religion, by appropriating the revenues of the Reformed Church to any other purpose than the maintenance of the ministers, and the due dispensa tkm of her ordinances among the people, and the support of tr uly Pr o t es t an t e d ucat i on , as a v i o l at i on o f t h e f un d amenta l l aws of the Conetitution, as dissolving the bond of allegiance between your Maj es ty and your subj ec ts—(l r onical cheering the Ministerial benches)—as an act of injustice to the Whole community of Protestants, in whose birthright is in cluded the maintenance of their' religion, as tending to destroy all confidence in the security of every description of property - 1 --(ll ear)—and as encouraging the machinations of those reek tess Uproar)—who are pursuing a course which, if the fi est imony of history may be believed, will lead to general con fi, scatio n and robbery.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) We gs leave humbly to offer our hearty thanks for your Majesty's inost gracious expression of regard and affection towards t _ h e at. portion of the Protestant Established Church, to which wel fare, which, and your Royal solicitude for its extension and which, in our humble opinion would be put in immi nent dan ger b y t h e recognition of the pr i nc i ple pu bli c l y avowed in reference to the Protestant Established Church in sto at , th _ a• That was his answer to the question put to him by Hon. and Learned Member for Tipperary, as to what his neighbours on the opposite side of the border said on this s t testion: The Hon. Member for Middlesex had reminded e House that the storm now runs high. He would reply to that observatlon, by saying, that when the storm runs highest You must steer with the compass. Arid what was the corn- I ti ls a of public men ? It w as no t, h e ma i n t a i ne d, p u blic expe itiency : it was a fi rm a dh erence to great first principles, which Would be d angerous to compromise, and unmanly to desert. (Great cheering from the Opposition.) He would again n) .'ure the H ouse t h at h e most unw illi ng to occupy t h e i r t i me Z Nll !'eading l ong passages to t h em ; b ut t h ere was one passage 'eh bore on this question so strongly, and which was fraught With so much wisdom and instruction, that although he feared e had exh a usted their pati e nc e , he trusted that they would reend to bim a further share of their indulgence whilst y read it to them. It referred to a melancholy passage in ne history of this country, when a question arose on a Principle somewhat analogous to that now under discussion— rormdesant the expu l s i on o f t h e Bi s h ops f rom th e H ou s e o f t the The M onarc h w h o re i gne d over thi s ki ng d om at ed Oci to which h e re f erre d, was Ch ar l es 1., w h o had con sentand quai P s ut Lord Strafford to death, with what reluctance m _ as to stat e . pulsi 9 n of of conscience it w a s then unnecessary for him The n ext measure presse d on hi m was th e ex was the Bi s h ops from the House o f L or d s, an d h e induced, i n oppos i t i on to the stern dictates of con science, to accede to the necessity which he was led to s uppose the danger of his situation imposed on him. Now, he begged - the attenti on o f t h e H ouse to t h e arguments urged for the adoption of that unhappy Prince, as well as the remarks which Lord Clarendon made upon them. These arguments, too, were n o t a d vance d b y f a l se advisers, but by honest Ministers who erred in judgment. " Now the Bill for the taking away the votes of bishops out of the House of Perms, which was called a Bill for taking away all temporal J u risdiction from th ose i n h o l y or d ers, ha d no sooner passe d :be House of Peers than the King was earnestly desired to give big Royal assent to it." The King returned, "that was a matter of greet conc ernm e n t, and therefore he would take time to advise, and would return an answer in convenient time." But this delay pleased not their appetite • th ey could no t a tt em pt th e i r p er f ec t reformation in Ch urc h a nd state, till those votes were utterly abolished ; there 'ore they sent the same day again to the King, who was Yet at Windsor, and gave him reasons to persuade him im nediately to consent to it, one of which was the grievances Itie subjects suffered by the Bishops exercising of temporal Jurisdiction, and their making a party in the Lords' House :' a f seco nd, the great content of all sorts by the happy con luretion of both Houses in their absence ;' and a third, that . 1 1 e passing of that Bill would be a comfortable pledge of his ,nesty's gracious assent to the future remedies of those I lls, which were to be presented to him, this once being pressed.' 'Reasons sufficient to have converted him , if he had the least inclination or p ro p ens ity to have concurred with For it was, upon the matter, to persuade him to jo i n Wi th than i n this, because that being done, he should be able t .. 0 den y t h em nothing. However, those of greatest trust a but the Ki ng , and who were very faithful to his sevice, t it ugh in this particular exceedingly deceived in their judg- , ni e uts, and not sufficiently acquainted with the constitution the kingdom, persuaded him " that the passing this Bill 7 4 2 the on l y way to preserve t hi s Ch urc h , t h ere b e i ng s o :be mited a combination in this particul that he would not able to withstand it. Whereas, by the passinn• of this til l ' S O many persons in both Houses would be ° fully sa- Ced, for they would join in no further alteration; ,_uti on the other hand, if they were crossed in this, they ;: ° . ,uld violently endeavour an extirpation of the Bishops, and ai he r e nlOilShing o f t h e w h o l e f a b r i c of' the Church.' " " They e ged that he was upon the matter, deprived of their votes t a h ir e ea dy, ty being not suffered to come to of high treason, the House, and of . major part in prison under an accusation w hich there was not like to be any reformation, till these present distempers were composed ; and then that by his po wer; and th e memor y o f th e i n di rec t means that had been led against them, it would be easier to bring them in again, _an to keep them in now.' They told him, there were two T a tters of great importance pressed upon him for his Royal !sent, but they were not of equal consequence and concern rut to his s overe i gn p ower : t h e fi rst, t h at Bill touc hi ng the tt ahops' votes; the other, the whole militia of the kingdom, : 0 granting of which would absolutely divest him of all ( ‘gi l 4l powe r , that he would not be a ble to deny both ; but j . granti ng t h e f ormer , i n w hi c h h e parte d w i t h no mat t er o f rrnent, he would, it may be, not be pressed in the second; he were, that as he could not have a more popular guar y, to take up arms than to defend himself and to preserve "!t powe r in his hands which the law had vested in him, h *" .l vvithout which he could not be a so he could not tCe a more unpopular argument forthat contention than ). preservati on of the Bishops in the House of Peers, p re l , eh few men thought essential, and most men believed to the peace and happiness of the kingdom.' " etc passing that 'Bill for taking away the Bishops votes e edlngly weakened the King's party, not only as it swept ;:. v iI LY so considerable a number out of the House of Peers h were constantly devoted to him ; but as it made im- Pres s i on on o th ers , w h ose m i n d s were i n s us p e nse, as when mi ndations are shaken. Besides, they that were best ac ;lnainted wi t h t h e Ki ng ' s nature, op i n i ons , an d resolutions, ad reason to believe that no exigence could have wrought Pon him to have consented to so anti-monarchical an act ; a nd tien theref ore never after retained any confidence that he would ,Y what was imp or t u nately asked ; and so either abolutely dress. themselves from those consultations, thereby avoid n. tvi the envy and the danger of opposing them, or quietly stered themselves to be carried by the stream, and to con rnet to any thing that was boldly and lustily attempted." would not purs ue th e history of that unhappy Prince o er : his history, as well as that of his country, was, c ourse, familiar to ev e r y Hon. Member of that House, tad he had only to express a sincere and ardent hope 4 81 no similar consequences would follow from acting on diV e sentations made at this time, which were not widely tikerent from th ose th en presse d on the attention of e Monarch. It was thrown out at the other side (on principle, no doubt, that ridicule prevailed otten when ar e __nnment fail e d), that the cry of the " Church in danger," s now attempted to be raised. Now, if this sneer had Pair roceed e d from those who considered an Established Church evil, arid that of Ireland a national grievance, 1 141 should b_ much surprised : b u t w h en i t came from t h ose w h o ap- I e to consid er a nat i ona l Ch urch a benefit, he could not elp saying, th a t h e was aston i s h e d how i t could, for one e nt, he considered by those who held those opinions a matte r of indifference, that the existence of the Church n .n uld b e i n t h e slightest degree endangered, or that a cer- Z e. prof ess i on of faith should continue to be the favored tha6 (ll° ar.) If they believed th a t th e E s t a bli s h men t o f Church formed an essential part of the Constitution of the " utr Y—tbat it afforded the most favorable means of spread- ing rational and sound religion—if they believed that it con - tamed the sources of consolation in pain, poverty, sorrow, . and anguish, and that it exercised a just authority over those attached to it, without precluding full and fair in piiry, then ft behoved them to cling to this Establishment— to defend it manfully and boldly—(Cheers)—not to surrender I the cause of their Protestant brethren in Ireland ; and, above I all, to make no second concession to the influence of Catholic agitation.—( Cheers.) He admitted that tolerance was the I first principle of Protestantism ' • but the question now was, whether the Catholics should be kept within the bounds of to leration, or allowed to act in a spirit of ascendancy.—(Re ' flowed cheers.) He had every respect for conscience.— ( Hear, hear, and oh, oh 0 Did he not support Catholic emancipation, and remain for many years in hopeless opposi tion on that question ? Did he not support the repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts? He repeated that no man in that House had a more sincere respect for the scruples of con science.—( Hear, mingled with cries of "Oh !") But he confessed he had no regard for conscience when it assumed the shape of resistance to the monied payment of a legal im post.—( Cheers from the Opposition.) And for the conscience of passive resistance—for the conscience of agitation—for the conscience of repeal—for the conscience of the " annual tribute" —( Cheers)--and, last of all, for the conscience of Death's head and cross bones—(Cheers again)—he, for one, was not prepared to make the smallest possible concession.—( Cheers.) For the Reformed Religion, as it was - established in these realms, there was no sacrifice which he was not ready and will ing to make.—(Loud cheers.) Lord HOWICK began by saying that he was most anxious to have addressed She House after the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for the University of Cambridge, because he thought he had addressed himself to the question as it affected him and his colleagues, but he now rejoiced that he had given way to the Hon. Member for Berkshire ; and he was happy to have an opportunity of expressing the extreme satisfaction with which he heard the speech of the Hon. Member—a speech which did equal honour to his head and heart—a speech in which it was proved, that one who possessed a candid and sound judgment, would not hesitate, in spite of personal feel ing, to sacrifice his opinion to conviction produced by facts clearly brought before him.—(Cheers.) He felt also bound to say, that the Hon. Gentleman had stated in the clearest and most convincing manner, the main arguments on which this question rested. He was happy, too, to have an oppor tunity afforded of expressing a somewhat different feeling with respect to the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Cumber land. He was now most happy in being allowed the opportu nity of answering some of the arguments of his Right Hon. Friend (Sir J. Graham), arguments which, coming as they did from one who professed that tolerance was the first prin ciple of Protestantism, really filled him with infinite astonish ment.—( Loud cheers from the Opposition.) But before he proceeded to call the attention of the House to his views, in op position to those of the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Cumberland, he hoped he might be allowed to notice the re ' marks of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for the University of Cambridge, though they might not perhaps be strictly and immediately connected with the particular ques tion before the House. The Right Hon. Gentleman occupied a considerable portion of his speech in answering what fell from my Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exche quer. His Right Hon. Friend had said, and he thought said most truly and unanswerably, that a great part of the difficul ties which now encompassed this question arose from the con duct in by-gone times of the Hon. Gentlemen opposite in hav ing refused at periods of more quiet than the present to make the necessary provision for the coming embarrassments which they must have felt must inevitably await any future Govern ment in the satisfactory settlement of this question.—( Hear. ) The Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for the University of Cambridge, in answer to that charge, asked, " Are we patrons hf Church abuses ? have we done nothing for the improvement of the Church in Ireland ?" and he entered on a long and warm encomium of the measure which had been passed during the administration of Lord Liveipool, of the Bill which lie had kindly introduced on the subject of tithe composition, of non residence, and disseverance of unions, and wound up all by re minding the House that some of these many improvements had been effected while Lord Liverpool's Aministration ex isted, and at a time when war was raging. Why, surely, the Right Hon. Gentleman could not have been in the House when the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth had addressed them. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Tamworth came forward and said, " lam ready to give up all existing abuses. I admit• that the statement of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Attorney-General for Ire land, with respect to some particular parishes, is probably true; and for that reason, and a readiness to deal, not prospectively, but immediately, with the existing abuses of non-residence, because I don't think that any vested rights are compatible with abuses."—(Hear, hear.) I am no friend to clerical sinecures ; of all sinecures they are the worst. I would abo lish those ministrations under which the starving curate is left to perform the real duties, while the rich and well-paid rector resides at Brighton. lam no friend to such abuses, and lam prepared to remove them.—( Hear, hear.) But while the Right Hon. Baronet and his friends were formerly in office they did, it might be said, all that they could to effect these improvements of the system. Why the simple question by which the truth of that assertion might be tested was, Did these abuses now exist, or did they not ?—(Loud cheers.) Had the statement of the Honourable and Learned Gen tleman the Attorney- General for Ireland been im pugned in any one particular ? did those abuses, he re peated, to which that Hon. and Learned Gentleman referred exist or did they not? and were not the Right Hon. Gentle man opposite and those with whom he acted in command of the destinies of the empire for a long series of years ?—a period abundantly sufficient to enable them to apply some real remedy to such anomalies.—( Cheers.) He believed the Right Hon. Baronet was Secretary for Ireland in 1812, that he remained Secretary till 1819 ; that he became Secretary to the Home Department in 1822, and remained in that situation, a leading Member of the Cabinet, presiding, of course, over the affairs of Ireland, for a period of not less than five years. He asked, then, whether it was not natural to expect that the Right Hon. Baronet, having such power, would not have allowed these abuses to remain unabated to which be now expressed such determined opposition ?—(Cheers.) But the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Goulburn) said that they held power during those troubled times. Why there were only two years of those during which they held office, that there was a war car ried on ; all the rest were years of the most profound peace. ( Hear, hear.) He would, too, ask those who talked of trou bled times, whether there was any comparison between the opposition with which we had to contend since the Ist of Au gust, 1831, and the Opposition which was nick-named " his Majesty's Opposition," during five years of the Administra tion of Lord Liverpool ?—( Hear, hear.) He did aver, that if ever there was a Government situated in favourable circum stances for entertaining large and comprehensive views, and for the calm consideration of distant futurity, it was the Ad ministration which then existed.—( Cheers.) There never yet was a Government so powerful in that. House—there was no political excitement of any kind in the country—there was profound peace abroad—and there was no cause whatever to prevent the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite from giving his whole attention to the correction of those abuses of which he avowed himself one of the boldest enemies.—( Cheers re peated, and a cry of " Hear" from Sir Robert Peel.) The Right Hon. Gentleman had cheered him, as if he understood b:na to imply that nothing bad been done by former Admi nistrations towards the remedy of abuses. He did not say that they had not done any thing; but he only called on the House to compare what they had done with what they left undone—(Loud cheers for some minutes),--and with what had been done since, with the facilities which they had for carrying great measures, and our facilities : let such a comparison, he repeated, be instituted, and he would assure them that the deficiency exhibited on the part of the Right Hon. Gentleman would not for one moment stand unro proved in the eyes of the country.—( Cheers.) But he would deal fairly and candidly with the Right Hon. Gentlemen. He had alluded to one ground of defence which he had brought forward ; but there was another and much more substantial ground o defence, which, though he ( Lord Howick) could well imagine, the Right Hon. Gentleman would not be de sirous of putting forward, might, he thought, be most suc cessfully advanced by him. He might say, "It is true we were very powerful in this House ; but in this House, as it was at the time we held ;Ace constituted, we held our power by this tenure—that we should not deal too rigidly with abuses."— ( Loud cheers.) If the Right Hon. Gentleman had rested his defence on that ground, he would at once admit its fairness ; but he should, on the other hand, have called on him to re nounce all that he had said four years ago on the subject of Parliamentary Reform, and to agree with him that that measure was the greatest blessing ever conferred on the people of this country.—( Cheers.) He should now address himself to the main and most important question before the House, after having said so much in answer to the challenge which had been thrown over by the Hon. Gentleman, the Member for the University of Cambridge. One great—indeed, he might say, the single argument urged ih the speeches of the Hon. Mem ber for Tamworth, for the University of Cambridge, and of his Right Hon. Friend who last addressed the House, was, that there was no real surplus after providing for all the expenses of the Protestant Clergy. Now, in arguing this question, he would not go into any calculations.—( Hear, hear, hear, and cheers from the Opposition.) He could not do so with effect, without occupying a much larger share of the time of the House than they would, at that late hour, be in inclined to concede to him. But that was not his only reason. His principal reason for declining to enter into these calcula tions was, that they were brought forward in support of an argument in itself essentially unsound. If those calculations which had been made on the other side were correct (and he tools the liberty of denying that they were so) they would find a most insufficient basis for the conclusions which were at tempted to be drawn from them.—(Hear, hear.) Now what was the real and practical ground on which the measure before the House was founded ? We find that the people of Ireland complained that very large endowments were applied in such a manner as to render them unproductive of those morally be neficial results which might be expected from the proper dis posal of such funds. That was the chief complaint which the people of Ireland put forward—and when he came to consider whether that comlaint was just or unjust, it led him to the pi inciple on which an Established Church and such endow ments were founded in Ireland. The Right Hon. Gentleman here addred • himself to the question as if the support of the Church merely was L1‘..7 object for which these national endow ments were made. Now itappearL4 to him, and , he . was corro berated in the opinion by the most e m i nen t autss...... " : ies. amon g whom were Dr. Paley and the present Bishop of London— that the Established Church, like every other human institu tion, was founded for the benefit of the great body of the people, for the purpose of diffusing the truths of Christianity amongst them.—( Cheers.) When a Church Establishment answered that object, he scrupled not to say that it was the most useful of all human institutions. He perfectly concurred in the truth of the passage which had been quoted on a former occasion by the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Cumber- land, on the advantages derived from religion. He quite agreed in the opinion that the maintenance of religion should be one of the first objects to which the attention of the State should he directed. And be would go further and state it as his opinion that a national Establishment was the best means of extending the benefits of religion.—(Hear, hear.) He considered that the object of a religious Establishment was to bring the means of religion to the doors of the whole popula tion of the country where it was placed. If this, then, were the rule by which the efficiency of such an Establishment was to be judged, what, he would ask, was the state of the popu lation of Ireland ? He should not wish to go into any parti culars with respect to population. But when he found, not individual parishes, but whole districts in the south and south west of Ireland, in which the proportion of Protestants to Roman Catholics was extremely small, he trusted the House would bear with him while he addressed to them some fur ther observations, founded upon the comparative number of those professing different religions.—( Hear, hear.) The Protestants in Ireland were about a twenty-eighth part of the population; and ought, therefore, so large a majority of the Irish people to be defrauded of their rights ? The tithes were not a tax. The landlord had no mole claim to the tithes than he had to his neighbours's estate. The tithe was money set apart for certain purposes. Now, what were these purposes? His Right Hon: Friend opposite had said that the purpose for which tithe was set apart, was for the maintenance of the Church. He (Lord Howick) said that the purpose for which tithe was set apart, was for the mainte nance of religion.—( Hear, hear.) To maintain that the Church and religion were the same thing, was a fallacy which he had not expected his Right Hon. Friend would have uttered; for it was a fallacy which an infant might detect.—( Hear, hear.) Religion lived in the hearts and minds of men. It could not be created where it did not exist, by human aid ; nor could it be crushed where it did exist, by human neglect. But a Church Establishment was merely a human institution, for the promotion of religion ; and by its success or its failure in forwarding that object, it ought to stand or fall.—( Hear, hear.) Now, would any man of any party venture to say that the Church of Ireland had proved a successful instru ment for the encouragement and diffusion of religion ?—( Hear, hear.) It had been said by some, that the Roman Catholic religion in Ireland had been gradually yielding to Protestant ism. What was the fact ? He would not trouble the House at that late hour with minute calculations. But he would just observe that Sir William Petty, in the reign of Charles the Second, estimated the Protestants in Ireland, as com pared with the Roman Catholics, at three to eight. A similar estimate was made by the Bishop of Dromore in 1736; for ha estimated the R oman C a th o li cs , as com p are d w ith the Protestants, at two and a half to one. The Bishop of Ossory, in 1731, considered them to be nearly equal. Now, taking the least exaggerated of these statements, namely, that the Protestants formerly bore the proportion of three to eight ; what ground was there for contending that the Roman Catholic religion in Ireland had been gradually yielding to Protestantism, when it appeared from the recent Report of the Commissioners, that the existing proportion of Roman Ca. tholics, as compared with Protestants, was twelve to three and three quarters.—( Hear, hear.) But the real object to which the property in question ought to be applied, was not so much to the maintenance of the Established religion, as to the diffu sion of the great truths of Christianity—those truths in which all were deeply concerned ; and to the bringing the whole of the population under those rules of moral conduct which has been prescribed by the Divine Founder of our religion.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The object was to diffuse mo ral knowledge indifferently among the great body of the Irish population (for the soul of a Roman Catholic was as valuable as the soul of a Protestant;) and how was that object at pre sent fulfilled ?—( Hear, hear.) He would not pursue that branch of the subject further at present, for it was too pain ful to dwell upon. He would return to his argument, which was, that a portion of the property raised for the na tional Church ought to be applied to the moral instruction of the great body of the people. The question was, how could it be advantageously applied ? The R oman Catholics would not receive instruction, as it had been offered to them, through the medium of Protestant Clergymen. We might call them bigotted or erroneous ; but the fact was, that they would not - receive instruction in the form in which it had been offered to them. Then, in his opinion, we were bound; in some degree, to modify that form, so as to render it acceptable to the Roman Catholic.—( Hear, hear.) In his opinion, it was essential to the diffusion of Protestantism itself, that the minds of the Ro man Catholics should be enlightened : if, therefore, they would not receive instruction in the form in which we had hitherto tendered it to them, let us tender it in the form in which they would receive it.--( Hear, hear.) His Right Hon. Friendwho had just spoken, had himself acknowledged the utility of esta blishing schools in the remote districts of Ireland. The only difference between his Right Hon. Friend and himself was, that his Right Hon. Friend would establish schools to which the great body of the Irish population would not allow their children to resort; while he (Lord Howick) would establish schools to which the great body of the Irish population would allow their children to resort.—(Hear, hear.) He sincerely believed, that when the great body of the population of Ire land had become more enlightened than - at present, they would be more disposed to receive the tenets of our faith.—( Hear, hear.) In every point of view, therefore, it would be expe dient to apply a portion of the property in question to the ge neral instruction of the Irish people.—( Hear.) His Right Hon. Friend had acknowledged the justice of the principle, but said that he could see no resting-place if it were carried into effect. Now that was no answer to the case of the friends of the measure. If his Right Hon. Friend could refute the prin ciple of the measure, let him do so. But let him be cautious how he declared that the principle was a just one, but that it would lead further than he chose to go. He ( Lord Howick ) was apprehensive that the people of Ireland might correct that inconvenient moderation in the adoption of a just principle. —(Hear, hear.) If his Right Hon. Friend admitted the principle, that the Established Church in Ireland ought to be supported only as it afforded the means of instruction among the population of that country, and if he could not agree to the measure which his Majesty's Government had brought forward on that principle, let him bring forward his own mea sure. He (Lord Howick) would listen to his Right Hon. Friend's proposition with every respect and attention. But he could never yield his consent to the absurd doctrine, that al though a principle was just, it ought not to be adopted, lest it should be carried too far.--(He ar' hear.) He would now make some observations on what had fallen from the Right Hon. Member for the University of Cambridge, the only Member who had hitherto spoken during the discussion, and he (Lord Howick) had listened with ,the greatest at tention throughout, who had stated a single argument in favour of the motion of the Right Hon. Member for Tamworth. The separation of the Bill into two had been touched upon only by the Right Hon. Member for the University of Cam bridge. Now what was that Right Hon. Gentleman's argu ment ? That the two subjects were perfectly distinct ; and that that view of the subject had been acted upon by a former Go vernment to which he (Lord Howick) had had the honour to belong. His (Lord Howick's) answer. was, that the two sub jects, instead of being distinct questions were indissolubly con nected. What was the great and real cause of all the diffi culties which had occurred in the collection of tithes in Ire land ? The hostility of the great body of the people of Ire land to what they felt to be a crying injustice; the exclusive appropriation of tithes to purposes in which they did not feel the remotest interest.—(Hear.) He (Lord Howick) thought that the Irish people had good grounds for this hostility ; and that they would be more or less than men if they had not evinced it..—( Hear.) But be their complaint well-founded or ill-founded, be that of which they complained a grievance or not, certain it was that the hostility of the great body of the Irish people to the principle of tithes, and not tithes them selves, was the great cause of the difficulty which had been experienced in the collection of them. So long ago as in the year 1832 this had been distinctly stated in Parliament. It had been first stated in that House by Mr. Brownlow. It had afterwards been stated in a manner still more indisputable. A member of the other House of Parliament, on presenting a petition on the 13th of July, 1831 (four years ago), expressed himself as follows :—" He hoped it would not be said in that House, as it had been said in the public papers, that the tithes were the cause of the disturbances in Ireland. It was not so: in those parishes where a composition had been entered into, they might be considered as rent, and yet, notwithstanding that, they were not paid. In such parishes tithe-proctors had disappeared, and with them all the objections which had been made to the payment of tithes. The tithe, then, might, in such instances, be considered as rent ; and if the opposition to the payment of the tithe-rent in those places should be suc cessful, it aid not require much sagacity to foresee that oppo sition would be made in the next instance to the payment of tithe itself." By whom were those observations made? By any one hostile to the Irish Church Establishment? No. They were made by the Bishop of Ferns, one of the dignitaries of that Church.--( Hear.) It thus appeared to be admitted on all hands that the difficulties which had arisen in Ireland in the collection of tithes mainly arose from hostility to the prin ciple of tithes; to the exclusive devotion of tithes to a single religious purpose. And that being admitted, the House was, nevertheless, called upon by the Right Hon. Member for Tamworth to strike out of the Bill under consideration that part of it which was directed against the main root of the existing evil.—( Hear, bear.) The origin of the difficulty in the col lection of tithes being that which he had described, the diffi culty would remain in full force if the proposition of the Right Hon. Member for Tamworth were adopted. The Hon. Baronet had said—" If you convert the tithes into a rent charge, are you sure that the great body of the population of Ireland will pay that rent charge ?" The evil here pointed at by the Right Hon. Baronet would be the inevitable conse quence of passing the Bill, mutilated as that Right Hon. Gentleman proposed to mutilate it. He did not state this on general presumption. What he apprehended had already oc curred. Already Irish landlords, who, under the Composi tion Act, had converted tithes into a rent-charge, had found it impracticable to obtain that rent-charge from their tenants. A case which had been stated by a Noble Friend of his showed the rooted hostility entertained by the great body of the people of Ireland to the present application of the tithe. What had occurred on that occasion, would occur from one end of Ireland to the other, if the Bill wove prasod without the principle of appropriation which it at present con tained. Now if landlords were unable to enforce the payment of this rent-charge from their tenants, what c ou ld b e done? Could it be believed that the present, cr that any other Go vernmeut, would be able to enforce the payment of the rent• charge from the landlords, If fh3 landlords were unable to en. force the payment of it from their tenants ? Certainly not— e,' the inevitable consequence would be, that the Church of g n , with , nnnrmities, would pe saddled on the pco- Irelana, with au pie and En tenant Ireland (lear, present The relation character. When r es i s tance was sucpes4ily 1114a0 ti? the eery precarious between payment of a part of the rent, might not that resisianpe_iiNif extend to the payment o f the whole of the rent.—( Hear, hear, hear.) Would the House throw all the landed prop9rty. of Ireland into jeopardy, by adopting the Right Hon. Memb er land lordini t for Tamworth's proposition ?' t Was that a course likely to produce that general tranquillity in Ireland which alone could induce capitalists to go to a country so capable, under favour. able circumstances, of benefitting by commercial enterprise ? Much, however, as. he should regret the loss of the property to which he had been alluding, he would rather that that loss should take place at once, than that they should embark in a course; their progress in which must shake all the foundations of civil society in Ireland. The Right Hon. Member for Tamworth had expressed his hope that each portion of the Bill was able to .bear a separate discussion. He (Lord Howick) was of the same opinion ; but he would separate the Bill in discussion only, not in reality.—( Hear, hear, hear.) If they passed the one part of the Bill without the other, it might be that they should find themselves de ceived with respect to the separate discussion.—( Hear, hear, hear.) He took his stand upon the resolution to which that House came on a former occasion.---( Hear, hear.) He main tained that no measure upon the subject of tithe could be final or satisfactory unless it embodied the spirit of that resolution. —( Cheers.) He said more, that he would infinitely rather that the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert Peel) had met the Bill by a direct negative than by the indirect and inconclusive amendment to which he had resorted.—( Renewed cheering.) If anything should occur to defeat the Bill, or even to destroy any of its principal provisions, he for one should deeply regret 'it. He believed that the Bill was calculated in every respect to advance the interests of a Church which, whilst he was anxious to Reform, he for one should be one of the last to wish to subvert. His conscientious conviction was that it would be less fatal to the prosperity and peace of Ireland to pass the Bill as it then stood, than to give it the effect of law in a Mu tilated shape.—( Hear, hear.) He was aware that tho eter dons of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. O'Connell) near him, had produced a greater effect than they (the Go vernment) could wish—( Loud cheers from the Opposition).— and he dreaded the furnishing that Hon. and Learned Gentle.. man with an argument so difficult to resist as this. Here is a measure on which the great bulk of the people of Ireland have iet their hearts and minds ; here is a measure in which three fourths of the national representatives of Ireland concur ; but, on the other hand, here is the United Legislature refusing to listen to it : refusing to hearken to tho complaints which we have brought forward—( Hear, hear)--here is the United Legislature saying, in the words of the Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir James Graham) the Member for Cumberland, " Your claims are just, but they are dangerous, therefore we wil resist them." Sir JAMES GRAHAM-1f the Noble Lord is drawing an inference from what I said, I cannot contest the fairness of his doing so ; but if he says I ever asserted the proposition he has just attributed to me, I must be allowed to say he is utterly mistaken, because I am certain I never said any thing of the kind.—( Hear, hear.) Lord HOWICK continued— His Right Hon. Friend's argument was this, that the measure was not a final one—that it proceeded on a dangerous principle, and though it might be founded in a just claim, its details were of a description that could not be wrought out without danger.—( Hear, hear.) All that he (Lord Howick) would say was, that the Imperial Parliament should deal with Ireland on those principles of eternal justice which ought to govern a Parliament sitting in England.—( Cheers.) At that moment they claimed to them: elves a Government founded on the consent of the great body ,f the people.—(Renewed cheering.) He knew no other foundation on which a Government ought to exist.—(Reite rated cheers.) He wished to bind the people of Ireland to the Government of this country by the bond of affection and good-will—he wished that Ireland, if ever a war should un fortunately arise, should take her share in every danger and in every sacrifice.—(Cheers.) He did not wish to gover.► Ire land as a'province, which in times of difficulty and of danger must be watched with greater vigilance than an open and de lared enemy.—( Cheers.) If that were the true policy to be adopted with respect to Ireland, the House must adopt the Bill which the Government now called upon it to sanction. Mr. BROTHERTON moved the adjournment of the de bate till to-morrow.—Question put and agreed to. The other Orders of the Day were disposed of. An at tempt was made to proceed with motions, but on the motion of Mr. BROTHERTON, the House adjourned at One o'Clock. 2 f i g t o ... .., cl 7 u § F P 11111. t.D - o Fr imi W F;11, M'' co 0, :6-- .• 9• ' 11111 a' .4 2 7, t•E• co t''. 6. 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The quantity of spirits legally distilled last year in England, Scotland, and Ireland, was 23,216,272 gallons, and the duty paid thereon amounted to 5,243,501/. Qs. 10d. DUBLIN. THE IRISH CHURCH. (ritoSi OCR OWN CORRESPONDENT.) The See of Ferns, now vacant, is not one"of those which were prospectively suppressed by the Church Reform Bill. There is still to be a Bishop of Ferns. Ossory, on the first vacancy of that See, is to be placed under his rule, and the Bishop of the united Sees is to reside at Kilkenny. But the Government may appoint to the present vacancy ; and there can be no question, unless a Bishop's office be a sinecure, that the interests of the Church require that it should do so. The Bishop of Ossory, to whom report assigns the additional charge of the extensive, and important district of Ferns, is in an infirm state of health, which renders him scarcely equal to the active superintendence of his present diocese. By a 'junc tion with Ferns and Leighlin, he would be placed over all the Churches in the counties of Wexford, Carlow, Kilkenny, jhe Queen's County, and a part of Wicklow, comprising altoge ther the most Protestant part of Leinstcr • and if it is neces sary for the good of th e Ch urc h, w hi c h I. think it is, that a Bishop should be personally acquainted with the state of every congi egation, and the qualifications and conduct of every clergyman within his jurisdiction, I have no hesitation in say ing that such an abject can not be attained under present cir cumstances, by transferring the care of so many churches to the Bishop of Ossory. The Tory party are anxious that it ,hould be so arranged, their hatred of the present Govern ment predominating over their zeal for the Church, which they would rather see neglected than flourishing under a Whig .nade Bishop. Yet should the arrangement which they now demand take place, they will, as soon as the determination be comes irrevocable, rail at the Government for abandoning the Protestant Churches of so extensive a tract to an ailing dio cesan. They did so before, with regard to the See of Killaloe, to which the Bishop of Clonfert was translated on the promo tion of Bishop Knox to Limerick. Having first bullied Lord Wellesley into that arrangement, they then turned round and exclaimed against the impiety of giving up the King's County, Clare, and a great portion of Tipperary, along with his former See in Galway, to an Octogenarian, who cannot live a day in Ireland, but passes all his time at Bath. The present case is exactly analogous to that, except that the Bishop of Ossory, though a younger man, is nothing like so hale in constitution as the Bishop of Killaloe. Had the death of Dr. Elrington happened during the five months, can any one pretend to doubt that the Dean of St. Patrick, (Dawson's brother), or Robert Daly, the Ursa major of Exeter Change, would now be the Bishop of Ferns? If Lord Melbourne would avoid the taunts of bis enemies, and conciliate the attachment of the Irish people to the Protestant Church, at the same time that he consults the honour and prosperity of the Church itself, by placing men of honest, liberal, and moderate principles in its highest offices, he will hot throw away the opportuni:y which now presents itself. Why, it may be asked, has Dr. Sandes been so long left in a private station, with qualities and dispositions which would adorn and sustain the most exalted and influential station to which any clergyman in the united kingdom could aspire ? MONTHLY RETURN OF CORN, BY ORDER OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF HIS MAJESTY'S CUSTOMS. An Account showing the Quantities of Corn, Grain, Meal, and Flour imported into the United Kingdom in the Month ended sth July, 1835 ; the Quantities upon which ,Duties have been paid for Home Consumption during the same Month ' • and the Quantities remaining i n W are h ouse at t h e c l ose thereof. ;45F,,Fg1. ...,..--.2gi,:el* .., ?, 411 v rc.<' 1 ,w g.,,,:,,F,:urtz:k if. :_9_ . *e'o .ci..,42E '' -7 " -- Lt.:— 2 ~-,.,. 0, = 2. —e. :4 5. 2, • N t N :-(2, -~. HIS MAJESTY'S LEVEE. The King held an investiture 4 the most Illustrious Order of St. Patrick yesterday ufternoo&. , alkThe follow ing Knights assembled at the Palace, viz.:— His Royal Highness the Duke of Cumb er land, th e E ar l o f Caledon, the Marqui s o f O rmon d e, t h e M arqu i s o f Clanri carde, the Earl of Charlemont, the Marquis Conyngham, and the Earl of Leitrim, and were robed by Messrs. Hunter and Ede, in the light-blue mantles of the order, wearing also their collars and badges. The officers of the order present were the Prelate, the Archbishop of Armagh ; the Chancellor, the Archbishop of Dublin ; the Registrar, the Dean of St. Pa trick ; the Secretary, Viscount Forbes ; the Usher, Hon. Sir Francis Stanhope ; and Ulster King of Arms, Sir William Betham. The Knights and Officers afterwards went in pro cession to the Throne Room. At the Levee the Hon. Francis Stanhope, who was sworn in as Usher of the Black Rod of the Order of St. Patrick, was invested by his Majesty with the Badge and Collar of Order, and received the honour of Knighthood on the occasion. The Earl of Cork and the Earl of Howth were introduced to the King in the Throne Room by Ulster King of Arm and the Usher of the Black Rod, and were knighted ' Sovereign. The Noble Earls were afterwards • between the Marquis Conyubs.- respectively introduced t vo Junior Knights Leitrim, ... and the Earl of the nistered to the~' • when the usual oath was admi- A• by the Chancellor of the Order. ..Aajesty delivered the admonition to their Lordships, and invested the Noble Earls with the Ribbon and Badge of the Order. Their Lordships then shook hands with all the Knights present, beginning with the Senior Knight, the Duke of Cumberland. oy the The King held a Levee. In the circle, General de Hede mann, in the service of his Prussian Majesty, was presented to the King by his brother-in-law, Baron Bulow, the Prus sian Minister. Captain Tscherning, of-the Danish Artillery, was presented to his Majesty by M. de Bille, the Danish Chargis d'Affaires. Lord William Bentinck was presented, on his return from the East Indies, The Levee was attended by the Russian and French Am. bassadors ; the Sardinian, Neapolitan, Prussian, Wirtemberg, Belgic, Portuguese, Spanish, and Bavarian Ministers ; the Swedish, Danish, and Hanoverian Charg6s d'Affaires - M. de Hummel auer , Fi rst S ecretary to t h e Austrian Ambassy ; M. J. A. Y. Mendizabal, Minister of Finances of Spain (M. Mendizabal was presented to the King at a former Levee by General Alava, the Spanish Minister); the Archbishops of Canterbury and Dublin, the Bishop of London, the First Lord of the Treasury, the Lord President, the Lord Privy Seal, the Secretaries of State for the Home and Foreign De partments, the First Lord of the Admiralty, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, the Lord Chamberlain, the Groom of the Stole, the Master of the Horse, the Captain of the Honourable Corps of Gentlemen at Arms ; Viscount Combermere, Gold Stick in Waiting ; the Judge Advocate General, the Vice-Chamberlain, the Attorney-General, the Treasurer of the Household, the Comptroller of the House hold, the Master of the Ceremonies, the Master of the Robes; Sir Augustus Clifford, Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod ; Rev. Dr. Blomberg, Deputy Clerk of the Closet; Sir John Brooke Pechell, Naval Aid-de-Camp in Waiting; Hon. Colonel Pakenham - Sir C. Thornton ; Colonel s Elphin stone, Gibbs, and gmelt, Aides-de-Camp to the King; the Clerk Marshal; Lord Saltoun, Field Officer in Waiting; Sir William Beetham, Ulster King of Arms; Lieutenant-Colonel Cavendish, Equerry in Waiting; Mr. Alfred Betham, Clerk of the Cheque to the Hon. Corps of Gentlemen at Arms; Lieutenant-Colonel Sir Frederick Smith, Gentleman Usher in Waiting ; Master Ellice, Page of Honour ; and the fol lowing : Duke of Portland. Marquis of Ormonde. EARLS—Bathurst, Howth, Morley, Huntingdon. VISCOUNTS—Ashbrook, Combermere. LORDS—Colchester, William Bentinck, Monson, Montague, George Bentinck. ARCIIBISHOPS—Canterbury, Armagh. BISHOPS—London, Exeter, Winchester. Honourable Sir Francis Stanhope. SlRS—Wathen Waller, George Henry Rose, Francis Chan trey, William Dillon, M. Ridley, H. Palliser, Hussey Vivian. REV. MESSIEURS—Henry H. ;Milman, John Morgan, John Maguin, Heneage, Finch. MESSIEURS—MichaeI Btirke, Rowley, John Lefevre, Gur ney, Ilanbury Tracy, Clifton, Consul Herrier, Ore, Charles C. Johnston, Nicholls. ADMIRALS-Sir Robert Otway, Sir P. Malcolm, Fleming. CAPTAINS (R.N.)—Courtenay Boyle, Moorsom, A. Ship pard. COMMANDERS.-- Crawfurd, Oldrey. Lieutenant Sydenham Wylde, R. N. GENERALS-Sir Edward Kerrison, Sir Frederick Ponsonby, Sir Samford Whittingham, Sir More Disney, Sir George Elder, Lord E. Somerset, Sir EL Bayley, Sir E. Lloyd, Earl of Cavan. COLONELS—Birch, Rogers, Cobbe, Forbes, Milman, Raikes, Llewellyn, Hon. H. Murray, Grant, Salwey, Clitheroe, K. Money. MAJORS—Johnstone, C. Irvine. CAPTA INS—Macaulay, Archer. LIEUTENANTS—Everard, Wynter, Brand. Ensign Lord Mack Kerr. The following were presented to his Majesty : Mr. Howley, on being appointed a King's Counsel in Ire land, by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Major- General Sir Frederick Ponsonby, on his return from Malta. Mr. Michael Burke (of Ballydugan), by Mr. 0. Gore. Mr. George Nicholls, Poor Law Commissioner. Ensign Lord Mark Kerr, 96th Regiment, by Lord Montagu. Rev. Henry H. Milman, on his appointment to a Prebend of Westminster and the living of St. Margaret' s . Mr. Consul Merrier, from R otterdam. Lieut. Wynter, Royal Artillery, by Lo r d M onson . Mr. Clifton, High Sheriff of the county of Lancaster. Hon. Sir Francis Stanhope, by Lord J. Russell. Major-Gen. Sir Samford Whatingham. Lieut.-Colonel Rogers, R. A., on his return from Gibraltar. Lieut.-Colonel Forbes, R. A. on his retu rn f rom t h e M aur i t i us. Mr. H. Tracy and Sir Edwar d Cust, on being appointed Com missioners of the Parliament buildings. Lieut.-Colonel Cobbe, R. A., on promotion. -Rev. John Maginn, by Colonel Percival, M.P. Commander Oldrey, on his return from Jamaica. Lieat.-Colonel Birch, R. A., by Sir A. Dickson, K. C. B. Sir W. Dillon, on appointment to command the Russell. Commander Crawfurd, on promotion, by Sir A. Barnard. Mr. C. C. Johnston, by Colonel Evans. Captain Archer, on promotion, by Si r G. A nson . Captain Macaulay, by the Inspector-Gen. of Fortifications. Lieut. Everard, on promotion, by Lord G. Bentinck. Captain Moorsom, by Lord Colchester. Mr. Ore, by Sir J. Macgregor. The King gave audience to the Marquis of Winchester, the Earl of Albemarle, Viscount Melbourne, Viscount Palmerston, the Marquis of Conyngham, and Sir Hussey Vivian ; Lord Gardner and Sir \Vathen Waller were the Lord and Groom in Waiting. The Queen, accompanied by the Duchess of Saxe-Weimar and the Princess Sophia, and attended by Miss Hope John stone, honoured the Countess Brownlow with a visit yesterday, in Belgrave-square. Her Majesty partook of a thjeuner.- The Duchess of Cambridge, Prince George, and the Princess Augusta of Cambridge, the Saxon Minister, the Earl and Countess of Denbigh, and a small party, were present to meet the Queen. The King gave a grand dinner last evening, at St. James's, to the members of the "Nulli Secundus Club,"composed entirely of Gentlemen who hold, or who have held, commissions in the Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards. The members wore their club uniform. The party assembled in one (,f the State rooms. The following were amongst those present :—His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge (Colonel of the Coldstream Regiment), the Earl of Cork, Lords Howden, Hotham, Frederick Paulet, Forbes, and Howard of Effingham ; Sirs William Gomm, William \Vhymper, Charles Morgan, Richard Jackson, and Joseph Fuller; Generals Walters, Tre vor, Bayly, Buller, and Upton ; Colonels M'Kinnon, Keate, Raikes, Solway, Milman, Shawe, Walton, Ashburnham, Ar mytage, Burrow, Dawkins, Cornewall, Girardot, Armstrong, Bowles, Chaplin, Gooch, Broadhead, Drummond, Hamilton, and Henry Bentinck ; Captains Hobhouse, Hon. James Hope, Northey, Morgan, Wigram, Codrington and Tollemache ; Doctors Maynard and Simpson. There were also present-- Lord Saltoun, Sir Henry Wheatley, Sir Andrew Barnard, Colonels Bowater and Cavendish, the Treasurer of the House hold, the Comptroller of the l)"ousehold, Mr. Cox, &c. The band of the Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards played " God save the King," as his Majesty passed through the Portrait Gallery, which was lined by the Yeomen of the Guard, to the Banquet-room, where the dinner was served. The band played, during the evening, Spohr's overture to Die Berggiest, and selections from Marino Faliero and Fidelio. Her Majesty honoured the Haymarket Theatre with her presence last evening. The Queen was accompanied by the Duchess of Saxe-Weimar, and was attended by Miss Hope Johnstone, the Earl of Denbigh, and the Hon. W. Ashley. The Landgravine of Hesse Homburg honoured the Countess of Essex with her company at dinner, last evening, at the Beulah Spa. The Duke of Cumberland dined with the Marquis Camden, last evening, in Arlington -street. The Duke of Norfolk is expected in town to-morrow, from Cowes, Isle Of Wight. Mr. Otway Cave, while riding with a friend, had a bad fall from his horse in Pall-mall on Thursday last, and has ever since been confined to his house. Though not seriously hurt, he is prevented by his medical adviser attending to any kind of business. This unfortunate accident deprives Parlia ment of his services at the present moment, to the regret of all good reformers, who know his eagerness to take a part in the all-absorbing question of Church Reform. He will, it is hoped, be able to attend the division, if it should be delayed until Friday night. HONESTY AND POVERTY,--A poor fellow, who had only arrived from Liverpool a day or two since, found in the streets a paper, which proved to be a cheque for 401., on a banker in Cornhill ; but wishing, from the impulse of an honest heart, to restore it to the right owner, he made in quiries, by w hich the cheque got into the hands of the gen tleman who bad lost it, and the poor man was presented with five sovereigns for his trouble; with which lie declared himself hotter satisfied than he could have been had he got the cheque cashed, and appropriated the whole to his own use. This proves, at least, that honour and poverty are not totally un acquainted with each other. FASHIONABLE INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVALS. The Hon. Edward Gardiner, at Mivart's Hotel, Losir6 , Brook-street, from the Continent ; Count Kuschelef BA°. rodko, at ditto, from ditto ; Admiral Sir David and Lady Gould, from a tour; Lieutenant-Colonel and Mrs. Douglas s in Great Cumberland-street ; the Countess Dowager of ford and the Misses North, from Brighton ; Miss A. Cheap ' Miss de Poggo, and Miss Ackland, at Marshall Thompsstes Hotel, Cavendish. square ; Francis Wright, Esq., and Mrs, Wright, at ditto; Lord and Lady Sheffield and Nulls:, it the Royal Kent Hotel, Horne Bay. DEPARTURES. ~e de. The Rev. E. S. Thurlow, Mrs. Thnriow, and family, from Marshall Thompson's Hotel, Caren'3lsh-square ; Rev. Fr rick Ford and Mrs. Ford f rom - ditto ; Colonel Harry ThOm. son and Mrs. Thomson. Rev. T. Pen nan t, f7orn ,tom ditto; Miss Clarke and th e ditto;' the Earl of Ilchester and fa. ;1,-.IIY' front 13 " . .. 9 :intrton-street, for the Continent ; Hon. H. TI moo. • • - from Lodge Villa, Regent's Park, on a tour ; the —it of Gosford and suite, from Bury-street, St. James's, for Canada; Lord Decies and the Hon. Miss Beresford, from Curzon -street, on a Continental tour ; Admiral Wollaston, for \Vermouth; Hon. Mr. Murray, for ditto; Mrs. Hildyard and Miss Thornton, from the British Hotel, Jertnyn-street, on a tour. HAYMARKET THEATRE, Her Majesty honoured this theatre with he r pros nee last night, and arrived at her box almost precisely at seven o'clock, accompanied by the Duchess of Saxe Vbrehnar and a moderate suite—in fact in her Majesty's usilal unostentatious way. The Guard of Honour at the entrance to the theatre was the only incident in the nature of parade, which indicated the circum stance. Her Majesty was received with the most warm greet ings by arL audience which was full without being at all crowded. The national anthem was sung by the vocal part of the theatre's company, and concluded with a verse of special allusion to her Majesty, which was greatly applauded. The performances consisted cf The Rivals. The Scholar, and The Maid of Croissey. The cast of the former embraced, as usual, Farren, Webster, Weeks, and Mrs. Glover. It was spiritedly played, but Mrs. Glover, in particular, seemed to exert her self to do justice to Mrs. Malaprop, and flung her epitaphs about with admirable vigour and nonchalance. The Maid of Croissey is a clever and interesting production, and Webster's performance of the old ntilitaire in it is a highly masterly and effective piece of acting. Her Majesty retired a little after 11, amidst a repetition of those marks of respect and affection with which she had been received on her arrival at the Theatre. LOSS OF THE ELIZA, CHINAMAN. Intelligence of the fate of this missing vessel, respecting which such apprehensions have been entertained, were re ceived on Saturday, and they are of a nature to fully bear them out. The following is a copy of the major part of a letter from the Captain, Follins, dated Singapore, March 8, 1835 :—" I am sorry to have the painful duty to inform you of the loss of the Eliza on the Paresela in the China Sea, on the 23d of January. We left Macao on the 21st, in company with the Planter of London, and the ship Mermaid of London, the former bound to Liverpool, and the latter to London. The day after I left I fbund chronometer was wrung, 'and signalled the Planter to show me his longitude at noon, he having two chronometers on board ; he showed his longitude 110 27 E., and made dead reckoning 111. 30 deg. At half-past ten o'clock at night the ship struck. The Planter was close to us, and must have wore off and cleared the shoal. The night was very dark, and we could see nothing but broken water. We bad not been on long when the rudder unshipped, and the counter stove in. We remained until daylight, when we observed an island to the N.E. of us, distant about a mile and a half, and got the boat out, and landed all hands of us on the island, which is called Robert's Island. There were no inhabitants, or fresh water. As soon as the weather moderated, we lost no' time in saving provisions and water, which. we succeeded in . getting, as well as, our clothes, &c. On the fourth day after, a Chinese fishing boat made her appearance, but we could not understand a word the people . said, nor they us. However, we thought they were harmless, and would take us off; but, on the contrary, as soon as they had got everything they wanted, and all my instruments, chronometers, &c., they knocked us down with bludgeons, and hove us overboard. There were two of the men and myself on board her. For tunately we could all swim, and were picked up by our jolly boat. They then made sail and set off. We manned both boats and went after them, but to no purpose ; the mate, carpenter, and four hands in the pinnace, and the boatswain and four hands in the jolly-boat. The jolly-boat returned the following day, but the pinnace we never heard of while we remained on the island. A few days after two junks arrived and landed about twenty men, who commenced plundering and stealing every thing we had saved. We found all they wanted was plunder, and if we attempted to stop them we should be murdered. I considered it was no use stopping them, and took the jolly-boat with six of the crew, who volunteered to come with me, leaving four. on the island who would not venture. We were forty-eight hours in the boat when we were picked up by the ship Su sanna, bound here, and were kindly treated and landed here, and since my arrival, the pinnace's crew were brought here o:n Borneo ; they were picked up by a Chinese junk and carried to Borneo, from thence sent here in a Dutch ship. It is to be hoped the four who were left on the island are taken off by this time ; they had plenty of provi sions and water to last them six months. I have lost all my papers, books, ship's register, and everything I had, and when I arrived here had only one shirt and one pair of t rowsers." The late Countess of Mensdorf, who expired on the 9th inst. at Mayence, was eldest daughter of the late Duke of Saxe Coburg, and sister to the reigning Duke, the King of the Belgians, and the Duchess of Kent. Her Serene Higk ness formed a matrimonial alliance, 24th Feb., 1804, with Count Emanuel de Mensdorf, Field Marshal in the Austrian service, Lieut.-Governor of the fortress of Mayence. The Countess paid a short visit to her illustrious relatives here in the summer of 1833. We are approaching the fittes of July, says the Cliarivari, and a dozen persons are made prisoners daily. It has been remarked that during the last four years, the 9th of August invariably prepares to celebrate the anniversary of li berty by making a multitude of prisoners. 'nisi' NOVELISTS.—Two of the most popular delineators of Irish life have just given to the public two tales, which arc well worthy of their reputations ; we allude to Mr. Banim's " Mayor of Windgap," and " My Neighbourhood," from the powerful pen of the autb.rir of " The Collegians,* ( Mr. Griffin.) Absorbing as ia tire interest attached to Ireland at this moment, wo think we cannot do better than recommend these striking pictures of Irish life to our readers ; they are ex citing considerable 'W.tention we hear in the sister island. Sir Thoma s Champneys, Bart., and his steward, Mr. Robt:rt White, both described as late of Orchardleigh park, In the county of Somerset, and of flayling Island, near rortsmouth, arc among the persons claiming,' their discharge from the Insolvent Court during the ensuing Circuit at Win chester. CONSISTORY COURT.—Dr.Lushington gave judg ment yesterday in the case of " Heathcote v. Heathcote," pro nouncing for the divorce, as prayed by the wife. LONG WELLESLEY A LITTERATEUR.—TIIC Honourable Mr. Long Wellesley, we hear, has acknowledged the authorship of " Plantagenet." The Honourable Gentle man has decidedly achieved the best novel of the season. We need no longer search for the original of the elegant " John Delahaye."—Morning Post. The " Athenaeum" gave a sort of hint of this on Saturday. ROCHESTER, JULY 20. AWFUL AND DE STRUCTIVE ACCIDENT, ATTENDED WITH LOSS OF LIFE.—We have to record the loss of five men (lime-burners to John Banks, Esq., of Hailing), returning from Rochester by water, where they had been spending the day. They left the Three Postboys public-house about five o'clock in the afternoon to proceed home, having previously partaken rather freely of beer, &c. There were six men in the whole, and after get ting into their boat they hoisted a sail. They had not gone far from the bridge before they began to be a little merry, and off Nassel Point one of them fell overboard. The others, in attempting to rescue their companion, upset the boat, which unfortunately proved fatal to five out of six. Threo of them were married men, and have left seven children. Their names are Taylor, two Harris's (brothers), Durant, and Battyo. SALMON.—At the western end of the.Caledonian Canal, an establishment is in operation which may be consi dered as affording another proof of the rapidity with which new inventions and improvements are diffused over a country. We allude to the works at Corpach for preserving fish, in the fresh and natural state, found so effectual by Captains Parry and Ross in their Arctic expeditions. The fishings of Lochiel supply abundance of salmon ; these are cut up and subjected to the necessary process (which is carefully kept secret), and are hermetically sealed in tin boxes, holding from four to ten pounds each. In this way the fish is preserved for years as pure and full of flavour as if just captured from the sea or river. The Corpach establishment, besides fishermen, em ploys three or four tinsmiths. —lnverness Paper. On the 27th ult., a gentleman angling in Loch Moy caught a salmon, with a small trout fly, which weighed up• wards of ten pounds. This is the first instance of a salmon taken in Loch Moy. —Edinburgh Chronicle. Last week there was a rowing match from Glouces ter to Worcester, a distance of 61 miles, which waa.acnom plished, exclusive of stoppages, in eleven hours and a half.... Gloucester Herald. EXECUTION.--011 Monday Thomas Darby, con victed at the Hertford Assizes of the murder of William Rad ley, was executed in front of the County Gaol. Having thanked Mr. Wilson, the Governor, for his kind attention to him, he walked to the scaffold with a firm step, the chaplain of the Gaol reading the Burial, Service. After a very 'itiort in terval on the scaffold, the signal was given, and the bolt with drawn. He appeared to suffer much. . After his con d emna . tion two persons were placed with him night. and day, who frequently read and prayed with him. There was a lar ger co n c ourse, a great proportion of whom we fem 4 leS..--ifer N & ford Reformer. ( • '•vim" , 4t' , I i