The Sun. — London, England, 1816-03-21 00:00:00

lame arn9lipt izi Witgis of artinethi And. !Pen.. ' 1- Transport Office was •to. btu -etitirely discoßtinuedi as a separate establislubent. ..The, savings in the Ordnance Department hail not yet te'en,returned ; es well as those of several. mallet' PePaY t men t s' • Ile, however ) only wished to she w to the _House, and to the Country ; that Govet•nment were dill gently employed in reducing public expenditure— , Wear, bear !)r--The amount orthe different say . ings.which he had mentioned, was 570,Apr. this:was 'to be add e d ‘8 . 1',0601. mOre in e x pected re , ditetkitis, and the tatal xvould then be 630',0U01., iudependently of the Departments that bad, yet I:nation° returns. He hq,paid so much, to abets tr!itt the nrinclple, of reduction was in progress und tinder the 'close Consideration of Gov-em inent. Now as to the particular question of the night. The Report of the commissioners Which- had' given rise to the late Order in Couricil, did not originate in the present day. 111 question hail been 'star'ted •in IBJh or 407, When the Gentl en . le p oppbsite•were. in the possession of the Government.... rev i rcs:nit;.tion, then be en M a d e to the' Tre asury, stating, that trios the - accurindation of bushie:is; and theln trtOsed responsibility the applicaots Were entitled to.at!! t ipli t ional.remuneration. . It was .true that th .,0""" 1 :91' _that period had riot thought it ' prOperfO Comply:with the request. It had been renewed tinder the titiminivration ofMr. Perceval, and he understoad, that itt.‘consetioence Pr the increased' business in the Excise and Customs, •aiinkeeljeonteruplated air Aigineilfit ion of sa lary for • the Couunissibuers and Chairnian at .;he return of peace,, if their exertions con tinued to be zvaions us they h . ad been dur-. Ng the War. 'noise aenticmen had collect ed. a revenue of forty millions for the coon. try ; and the liciuse, wpolA feel the true eco.. tunny of stimulating the exertions of the persons eniployed ;in 'collecting •s'o large a revenue, whost services hall been s 6 meritorious, and whO on the expectation given them of an additiona, remuneration in time of peace :. trusted t 4, country would never be too poor to stiMulate the exertions of their public servants, arid: partieularlY of, those - responsible awl. honourable offieers, through whose hands had passed forty a year ol the revenue ; and he was sure the House would feel that it was a seiy wise and laudalile economy to:appropriate the small of :7,5001. It year to reward the merits of these per sons, when . peace was the moment which held out to them the expeetation of it.. AS to the question of the charge in the department of the Ad suiralty, he must thick that the Honourable Alem• bir hid taken .rather a partial view of the sub ; ject. But. when the House should be called on to take menus for carryink'the Order in Council of last'year into execution-, that %valid be the privet' time to diScuss the question in all its hearings.— Ile therefore thought' the House •was, ennee.essa aalled 'on to raise this question, before it' Fame to provi , le for it. What would he the situation the Mute', if it were to decide in favoUr'of the (lrder of 1800, in 'contradistinction to the Order of 181. a) It must proceed ro..redoce the sa -1 ries,of the, Clerks, with reference to the, sums they ,. .riceived War,. 111 . 1807 this principle, under.' the order of MO, 'extended 'to all the branches. of the 'Naval Service.• On this prin ciple it w tttt taken up by the Navy Board.— "The circumstance. of the increase of salaries at the Admiralty was brOuga regularly by tibii Adaiiralty • Board under' the conbideration • of the Ticts - ury,- and•was fully sanctioned by them, and therefore the House would be relieved' front the suppositiou that the feelings of the Right Hon.. Gentleman, I%4lo.was•personally. concerned in the motion; could `be affected by any resolution that could betaken on , it. In the monthof 'Noe last) so little tlas theAdatiralty aware how the star was likely .to,terminate,• that . the question arose, a he tier thaintervaU between the 25th of March, •the period of,the ratification of the .Treity.with•Atuer tics * and. the battle of Waterloo, ought to have been cells/ski/A as a time ofpeace, and Whcl I,er the Sal aries in question onght to he treated on the re darted scale of the Orders- in Council.: They • found that ifthis were to take place, the Salaries,at these- . bordinatenificers of the Admiralty woold,be retitle edlelow the-level of that of other OtEcers of the State, andithat- it would: be wholly inappropriate to their lahour as clerks, while no saving would have tiltimately` arisen ; but it was deemed mote ecoito atieal to decline a- farther war , increase, in the event ,of a recurrence of the'war. With respect to the situation, of Secretary: to the Admiralty, . there was no one of moreinipoitance, both as to coufidenee. and the efficiency,' required, -nor one 'which demanded a . greater personal attention and labonr— (Hear, hear !). • The vital interests of the countrydeporded On the Secrets that related to the. bevy being Jule in his !wadi ; and he 'would say, thaltheikitlittirC of Ins situation in peace was one of as much labour as could belong to any and Would be greater than itt any.formcr time of 'peace, as an bandied sail of,ships would cOntinhe to he regularly moved under the•orders of the Admiralty. So far,:therefore, -frOM Minn' itenanclng the opinion, that the Secretaiy to the Admiralty woold be more a gentleman at large in peace than war, it could be proved that it was it ;Abe reverse. After repeating many of the arguments in favour of cite increase of these sala ries, lie eoueludeal •With saying; that the • period ~ A lrerl the Navy Estimate's came before the House. 'would he that for , diseusting the present subject, he hilould• move as an Allieittlintlit, that the House proet•l'to the Orders of the Day. • - Mr. Mutterer thought the speech - of - the Noble Lard highlyettraOrdinary. ••fle had heard? no- Ilang: in it which had eunvinced hinvol the im- Prri`Priaty of the' motion . . , The Second Secretary had'lleeo till this time been censitleted'a permna Otlicer • He 'could not but •think that Ali.. bistett liad not consulted the public service in, this ' 14 40 - general-distress, by• bringhig"the question forwiti-d, - Mt. WAttnc coul d . see ndTinson why ‘A bat was reci)j.ini,ilidm in i UO, and -adopted in 1802 as gtiod, shout! be departed from now. He 4,14-.ln:t inciincd (1111011 reliance on a .re. corritnendatiott'orthe Hoard' of Naval . Revision, 11% it Avat Impossible cot to view their. conduct m 'at) :jealousy, as they did not feel any , great torrtlf&other tinard, that Of tbe Naval ;e, %moldered titr clepittlitr d e t 1"i. eof the Ptatce oiAutiens as cuipaiilc, mitt the sense of'the-tronseottgl i t to fipon it., . IJe 34w7 no..r ; eason.why. the Hauseshould.ne. ..PartArottywhat had heensoggested to them. Alr, Rob So s- was,sovprised.atat the I ciu. Oen , tleman,harl nat-a.dyerted 4111.9ircuthstonces.that were put by the .1-lon. Gentleman • who brought .fprward•the go:adult' as one , of, principle. I)id he mean to rest, oiv, the: clues - don .of...the„gerteral 'principle,, or on the case of the two Secretaries? As his, motion now stood i t did not, rest on this bot on the point, that the duties of the two Secretaries ,tvere not Huth AS. tO•reptire lbe!ie 'salaries,. But there wasthis,difference; if 40001; la,year, waktoo lunch .in. time of peace, it was too 'little in -time. of , war. lie would 'venture to.say, tittle ,was no situation which .so. completelyab, `sorbed the facalties, both of -body and mind. ,4b% , Yhttty;clN ,dealored; himself 1.1 friend to all measures which, tended to public economy,. 'What induced, him to, support the Property Tax was, because. he thought, it directly,condociee to this cod ; butt be.did not. consider himself pledged to suppprtony, measure . , !'Mich should load the public. purse: he should look with jealousy .at .e6ry, iiieitsure which kentled to affect the public ecO noloYt. It,. was tbe duty of Ministers tra reduce tits general burthen.s.as much ; as possible, and to cultivate thesuppart,of the people, without which. it might, be i obviotts co. the .1-louse,..that all our.. strength would, be, hat weakness, and .the tempo- Tary. calm would lie like that which precedes art earthquake. It a case could be made Out to jus tify.. this increase of salaries, he was sore the House„would sanction it ; but, lie thought the Ctt ficers in question sufficieutly paid by the allowance for the Veace lf , stahlishmetist. • .4 ~.the labour of 'twelve. hours a day was remunerated,by "--10p0/. year,. that :pf. six hoots a day Moat be aoequately paid. by 30004 a year, Air. 13ttoutiiikiik trusted that, after the remarks which hati ‘ ,.been heard. the ,notion. would !lase d ie sanct i on of the U. )(is e. Tie question was one.ot public economy, which %vies the real prii. ciJile.on which it, ought to..he entertained. The Noble Lord, some nights ago,' deSitetf the Liaise to.,suspeint their .jinlgment till they heard .tvlt.it could be sal(' in defence of the increasctvand having heard the Noble Lord's defence, arid list ened to the:explanations he bid giveo, het bought. himself bound in conscience to declare, 'that-A more lame and impotent delenee _he had never heard of any .measure whatever.. hey: we:e now told that it Was nec essa ry to raise the sit- • lades, at a . tithe ivhen all the Oth'eft were cat away, on the , !round of the general -distres s of the c.motry. Notwithstanding -the, Vagueness of the estimated savings which, the ,Noble given to the I.:wise this night, it still ree,uired once or two otetervittlons. lie had stateA that, lesi !halt seven officers 51141 (toe soPertor, flail tteetere- • dueed flout the offiee of. the -Secretury.at Why the war Was,at net end aud! said that the duties' of this. office, insfirtioed"Only for the purposes-of war, - wereltill,so extensive 413AE) - require as many servanis, ,tvit hilt right, as Nvhett - the. oar raged-train Last to West, nod fectue,Nmth to South. When it motion wan brought fortvaftl., some time pest for the reduction of •thismitice, Ministers said, they were Srmiling out expeditiaoS it) all parts of the WOrld, Iron), it..lh4 . eat 13ritins . 443 forlia, to the Baltic, to, the Mediterranean, and almost every part of 'the, world ; and will yon (they asked). take this opportunity of cutting oil' the War Department? Hon 'Friend's too . - don Wits rejected by the Hoitse, !tectonic the excuse for the continuance of the office was thought- phiu , ". sible. But 'now the War was at anend,'lt , etas icasookibly expected that one cif the ; first nets of die new budget of ratrencliMeot %%1)6111..1 : n1re been to Cut up, root mitt beanch; this department ; in stead_ of which, vie tied only a redttetion of seven Clerks and one Under Becretary.., .Again, when he heatil of great reductions in the . general scale ,of the Admiralty Department, and that 5000 Offi cers bad been dismissed, whose salaries were saved to the amount of. nearly .half a, million a year, it did look at first view something re- trenchment. lint what' 'va s the fact ? ' Why, it was, neither more nor .les' than cotting out .hundreds of 'artificers, the.,gatig's of .tviirkmen the dock-yards. We might as- well have , been , ' told that great retrenchments bad been made from motives of. economy,' by dismising tire sailors, and laying the 'ships up in ordinary 'But. tics sailors were, -discharged because the war was at end.,..and there was nothitig foi•tirent to (10; and so were the artificers of the dock-yards, who could not, longer he employed its .making blocks and ropes, for which.there wits no oCe4sioth : 1 10 was the real 'lattice of the retrenchtsolmt, and he would defy the Mible Lind and all his Colleagnes to find a shadow' of work lot. those , artifieers. In stead of making • just' i'eticochri - tente; iti,quarters where they might lint e been effected, It -*mild he found that .Mhosters have, with,tioth their hautts,, been increasing the windier of Offieers'aiid tutThi %• the salarieS'. 'But the Petite hail;' v iii of them, cot °trails nutubmftands•. This statementol.sar • ings so vauntingly made, , showed tyttav z -at : tempts were tesort4ro, if h e Rl ijoit use g ., 0al a GuielY pression;tn 011 that wont of ceonomy Ea:Which, , withott.Cstach nrA tifices,jt, Would he . impossible for theism to slot their eyes. The next saving that was boasted of, was that of 150 . Cfbrks But dill not the:: ,116itate recollect, :that , drosc Clerks Were employed so..ely in the Peninsula, whextt i the war had long since b e en , concluded, To have s aint, therefore, that they tilteit to lie eontibtied; wolf(' have- been :ridienlbusi; fact,.4o or 50;0001,_a year was .all that- thc•public gaily(' by the rer demption of ,this part of the pledge of, economy. He should now touch All the subject on which the motion' witio , fOttntled . , bathe! y,ri the itteicasti- of the , SAlatiCS of the two Officers of the Aslutiralty. Tho present question was, neither more nor less, this .Shall Mr. Croker and Mr. BarrOw, the tcvo S'ecre taxies to the :Admiralty; have an inerraie orsakary in -time of peace, the tine -of.:10001. rt year--it! ad-; ditioo to his-3000/, and tine other of 5001, ad dition to his 1,5001. ? and this too at a time When all the necessaries of life tiatt ditninisheitin-value 50 per cZnit, .All'thette.dimitiotions, however, the Right, Hon. clutneellpe ef.the..4xlikttnefr. bac L re presented as, only likely to be temporary, ancitliat in two or' three years they might gel - up: - Wertiotended , as ,itn , excuse: for ifying the rise. evoker! ! 5i0 41 7, Ow ~4to yes: AirlAy should beklacod. ju 4,*tt . e,r L4uat . ion than- i . . . Sir Ice;. 'Nep , ean,ll.lll) 'noted .iiis :trairsLem,!ent abilities in thiroMee when war iraged ' . all :avec tile World ? It inightWell limbo, been said of hint whit the Hon,- Gentleman.latelY observed, 111-at-his bi hours weresuilicient : to abs(ii.kall the powers. of linde Find tnind.. IVllett this ,tole Gentlemen.: fi11...(t. :the sittiathrtrin gni .. .lc:firm, ..his. - :dritivs wert.. s'o lir ii.uttO, that. Ire...ciiiiiii•.oray:find time niglitly..for tnsir or five..,hours'sii:ep, and -could sirocelyztake• ailvanla g e of. the -111 T Phil exereise..necessaly: to preserve heal: It ;• yet be. had only. 4000 i. a-year, to which amonut it. was thotielit neceSsaty to raise . Mr. Croker's salarY:itv peac€; ' He:was thereloye bound to say, that - this salary might not, to he in creaned,-tili it was known seh l it was the increase of hisexpences, or till the Chaneellor of the Exche quer's prediction hail been follilled, and' then, it the expellees of till artitics.Were found to'have . bitek. to what they were in war, - it'svinild be time enough to. raise 'Mr. Croker's si4ary. But to give him at this tittle 10001. a-Year to pot into his•pocket, %ellen lie •Imil comparatively nothing to (10,'he woolitsay was nothing more nor less than it most prollit.late. anti Ber - old:dolls job ; and for which every...man who iiirid taxes had a right to exelaim• for ceitintre,, if not for punishment' He must .tlis .. • claim distinctly all personal disrespect to the'tsil.t ()firers' in'itriestion. lie did not, however, mean' to;rnake th•Viiiime concessions, to the Noblel.rord and rite Chaneellor of the Exchequer, as •their conduct in this respect gave them' mi claim to'his• respeet. Indeed,• the Noble Lord had exculpated Mr: Croker from the suspicion of having proem.- c(Fthis job to be done t'or himself ; but still he riorsU say,-,that .it svotild have been more ho tsuitr.tbie for - that Gentleman to have gone u step further, and have carried :his coyne;ss to an abso-• • hite - reeusal rif!the increase. iVitlf respeCt to Mr. • Barrow; be stood in at different situation, in some riSpects, from the Honourtible2Gentlernan. He , . Rottsessed moo, ii , eftil anti-.valtiable- accomplish . merits, hut his otliee was not at till - ueeessary in • • rieirie....ll lie was rigLtlyinfortued, it had begun in fhe.tirue of Earl .'lieticer's Presidency ; ;ilO.l we • sh o id,,t n,-tritra;le. loofr to its aholitiott, now it was useless, even though the Gentleman who held it sholdil be allowed: 10 retire oil 11 pension. What fl i iire.eence was therebetween the Peace of Paris and the Peace of Stoitsns, ,extept that'tile fornier was bialy to-be . pernu to atthori'ie an in ereaseA4 Salute 'in the . se (Alicia at 'resent ? '.l'!!e alkiinue 'rnight. with more propriety apply 'to Mr. 13.)0 . 0.W than to Mr. Coker, for the'Second Se, eretary retnaned . in ()Ride n.ativithstan.ding. any . change. of Acinsinisti mint); awl inigh . t there- fore be presumed to hat'e sonlething to do 'hit the First- tiecretury iilways . went out 'with _:th e ' Adniiiiktratiou of his' time, . He titotig:lir it,..had:ll,..eit made `apparent, fr(on the two. .or three rtst tiiscuscitit:is; - that-it Wits not 'the ob- Jett of,. Ministers. to . mai: e ivy.. retrenelinient in .. - ,sued- matt ...rs as these, on account of what they 'rtoi l l4er c d the little.tirnuiitit of the synts. 1t...,..,1d s painful, however,. to Ilrink that 6i:tit:pry I 0 / 301'. a year 1 . •,q I \ ll ".`VroLets pocket •:sviati i ft? be wrung. 11'144 .4!: II ard citrain. , ,.:z ~r r.'.ose who Ohl taxes. 'flier& was no Inane than . ... 1 .0001. plaid to.all the tillows anti orphaos: of our Ulliciers who hail lhll it1ii0444, 1 114. while 401101.. , alear.was paid to , At.: tr ‘ iiker, for - Vikti,i4.c the.hattleiin Anil out of Hilt Houi.e, for partieuths,„gersons, and their sys.- . ter of extravagance, Air afficer's wid o w, or or hut, n4ho had seriell his contir, and inereas ad Tier glory, received 101. a year, while 1000!, 'a i l year adS given to increase the salary of a 'Court fasourite ! - This- was. their' scale of et:l:mot:ly, - - But In. trusted the HOit'se sv .4 ool(l . conie to a• vote. this night which F.:l4otild:rniirk7their reprohationOf 'the . sciiiiihiliiii.i ti , :in!-actiOii; Hie well kne w haw munch Misery must be eitchtiled by litany honest . nom in, consequence of thii profligacy.: perb`api ' 300 or- 400 EXelieritter processes':notist be issued, to wring.a feW , .shiLlitigs from.so'•thatly wretched Ohieets, tninake uptbil addition tit s tile favourite's salary. The'Noble Lora,liad .treated it lightly, because the sum wes .so itintll. This• was the very reason - he (Nlr, liroUgliaiu) was - tictitraiilied to Oppose it. , He would irb . fect - to' it, because It sboildil.be'a pledge to the country that no InOrii, inonientraiS act of profligacy st.nuld be endttrod, or,,s . %stirred to eseape the just and v:rtitons indig-; nation `of tharlrirlise. The colotTr y 113,1 its eves of•'; , ,,rueltnde fixed on that 'ffou.e ever since HA. AlOralay, trod mutt. anxiously (lid thou.. eyes pry, .to :see that` its 'Menthe:l' do not tal:e fri.;fit - • after What they: have done, Anil repent, lay show- . ii)...,;, theill4ers'es ( - )!:Se(11110US to COO match . over tvliont Alley . 114tve . f.tifietl . so yet at a s ietOri.-- The ‘4 '. i..)rils . t. , ;(olt)My tWil retrenchment 'ltts.l been* 'used . till he was sick of hearit , o.; them ; AO he &flied' on :the flott . se nose to ,;110.5f theit: d i sgust at. the 1 . 111 - 003 , icy pslitte a 'vOte whieli' % 6 9 10 +core'ihe tasting gratitude of the pe o ple. 1 is vote' svOillii,lerer ell lattrre ~T.:elopts to ia ii) e..) 1 1 ) : the ptiblie:•ntority...... It svou. , l slim th:tt n twill N',qlo ti'ilS•tle . alt ‘, 2(l entilled 1 , , ~tir is: !Tt'ot.);tl one thoit s ar;(l pounis ft year, 'Mist' io, s,lviii , ,; , iii country i:i some d....partineut abloTtctl y 0...:( L.- : •.it'y, and not be 1)/dil for the piiroo.o. 0, ii ~it.",, Jr, l se:is ton liqc nose :a ''!lose :h., '::. 'ten: ~f Cortrt favditritisur tir colitiutie a ye a .. lititger. '‘''s",..: skoild'; hear io mind C• ' it iar s ' vie.i not inelely a• p:': - ..i- , cnhir soul given to this or th.,t pe rio - ,,, i i„. l 'should 'eel ' fOillf the 'reshli:itice of " the flui,:,:.!, hut. that- getierul tletermina,tioil not to le aril the ViiiCe s 4 the cottniry,. awl to inn) a ilea.:' car to .il l; it ‘awful voice . which .4eetriN to sat}, there i no Stich thing in En:'.. , ,land i.is any trifling or incas.. 4 , sidera tr ble exavaii,incii.---'l'o alter this eondect, .to regai•dthis wanting 'voice, :vosild'he much bet:= ter tirrit to ruise Inetninieuts to the vi•etiins of le..' git an e Allararchy. It wai ,by wit having' wiis • dom .ctunigit to te..;ard tir&ioice isf the people of -England,' and by'tteallin4 to isorely on their pre jarliees, that that fienily, the vi:..tinis of religion* .a rid coocientious 11(10 . 1.40n, w<te 'otlittti foul theSe . doininioirs. but I,..rorlierwise ought poste-.1 city to ile..tl situ those Who have no scruples, bat .sv:,o go ou ft qtp 'one Vice to at100)1:1., fillkig th'ei , r b u i t s,,s - %iiti t praligacy and extra.aeahce, l'.t'eping the jails . filled with . forlorit wretai'es, , bet - ause .they e.oittrit filid time to pot tl'-eni out (if p,iiii ; •411L4 then to come to .Patliaitient, and desire the .. . House to be necOmplices in their crimes,' while, surroutidiqi by mercehstry troops, they Lave .been ' squa'odering the 'llimei o f th e people. 5,1 r. l'cet. said, lie -did lint rift: to pi:6log the', clisepijo as s to whethe r the inCri.ase of the Silii .7 ries ofthe Secretaries to the' fidthiraliy wiri br-iviis • • •• i I i . , mit. itystri.ai.t . •!. o.tit to. efk.pfess his opitten that thes,,stolst,liesr.ll.entral. teeling, elf indigpatinn-'==' (, ) cebont .oln-caring frOnt all parrs orar4 Winle). 7 ., ' yes, he h repeatt a - general Icelitig , o intlig.....:' nation. at , the, unfoundecl cliarti - .;;S of the MK.; tientiernan, : t!re ti niaW l ..itts..;;forlionz•Leliittl•rais a d;'- ... an d ,the itinfa;Citipitti:;lls lt-e , ll;tilliNnits; ll tint titr ,objetta to -.which - the queiiion tieGtre 'the' 116tnitk raft, no reratititt. ' Iltsii.. &lug: the 'incfrefif,t)'- or l' salary, be could: assure tire Howse, -:thrif t :it avai! ,I totally,eonttary to the wishea,dlihicaighillio.' 'tour-Ale Frieod that the increase‘wits aittielVerflef; ' his office, •It ;was most nrijurit;to 'charge this in» ':• crease ilp.On. Ministeri it's -et St - A(114166s job, ott ,the eonsideratioa •of -.CoUrt favilurititin—(itlr;" '. Jfear, .hear !)—ln the -citimitienes then i Oaf` hitt . Speech, the •Honotwalile and• Learned Gentlenfart.' . }tad . professed h av i ng listened to his Noble .Fritud ' ' with an noxious wish -to be 'satitified,'. and Inftl:. 'minuted. that Ise shotild have ' , been, 'highly re= oiced.if Administration . b a d bee n a bk t o s t an d 0 ,; High ground on this subject. had he Mit heard this declaration, he confessed, that if he had been.' desired to name the man 'in the House to wlibiti Such a diseovery avould have been . more, painful • than to any othe r , i s wou ld h ave b een the Han., and Learned Gentleman on whoni he shookd hat.e'l fixed. From the whole tenour. of that Hon. and . 1 Learned . Gentleman's. conduct 'find arguments, - from• the feeling with which he received every re.' mission of taxation on the part of his Maiestv't Government, 'front theHmittecotintable . (lie Was 4otind not to say intentional) misrcpresentatiOnS Which 'continually fell from him ; and front a variety of other circumstances; he (Mr. Peel) R110111(1 certainly have crinsidered the Mid: . and Learned Gentleman as the last mail in the.H ousts to. Whom any -retrenchment proposed be his MN.' jest);'s Miniiter s , atul Calculated t o entitle. theta to claim thepublicapprobation, would have proved . satisfactory or agreeable, : The Hon. and Learned. ' Gentleman had:said that the question was Wire. tiler or not 10001, a year should be: added to the` salary of the Secretary of the. Adtuiralev. ...If that was the queitioti, it tvould be infinitely wire pro- . per to-postpone it until the-Navy Estimates shoold •be before the lihnse. Tine'llow. Mover had fallen into the error of the Hon. and Learned dent!tanali, . .. in comparing these salaries 'with the rewards to ' : those to Whom no reward. &kilt! sufficiently - tea- ' • dry the nationalgratitude—Ou r gallant defenders. 1. It wa s itnilesssible to estimate Military servic es by pecuniary` considerations.'There was soinethiliginC the. poleStion Of arstis- 3 --4tatnethilig', in th e noble. . ness of pr.rsotial devotion—Somedt - 4ig , in the immi-' trent danger inettrred===sontqltr ng in the natitre of ,they glory acquirer!, tliat'matilied lAII attempt at . cOnt= pensation by money . -,solcar, hear, lieqtr !) if it were.possible so lii 'reward deeds - of heroism, the 'df!hti of that nutke doe by.iliis coutitry it would ~ 'not' be in the:l)6*er of th:.• those wealthy and the . • infest arTsLatiktii i in ill the teniverse'tfiatieeltarge: ;lot because the ttature and extent of military :,:., sterviee prevented them from being thus t. eWaril.' ' ed; ought the civikiervanti of the eointiry to be' excluded from just remuneration ?, An Hon, Gen tletnan hail said, that if such a stim was un ache ; quate compensation for twelve hours labour in the day, such another sum would be an adequate corn- Ftensation: for six hours labour in the tiny. Trile"". aceot ding to the rule of thre,e. But he was sore the . Jiciuse'wonild not be of opinion that the itorober of ', hours e m pl o y e d ought ta be tiro eriteri9n . lif 04 salary that should be received.. The confidence reposedin the Ofticer- - -.the nature of'lke ilatties : ' entrusted to him—the abstraction froth other ..„, ,avocatiinti inn life, 10 - which lie conld neve r rel urn ~ .-411 these circumstances were to be considered itt the 'typo', ot ment of thisalary. The OHIO in 'coals- cil Which had been istsued:ein this stibject was neees. my,: but depeoded for its eotifirimitio'nein the sanc tion of the House. The , question before:theist . . ,invo:Ned this ,principle---whether the salaries tit .r '. publi c offieer s ought to be lower in time of peacsi than in time of tear` ? It' that principle were to„bei ' . established, why Was 410 be acted upon with re.. ' spect• to tin Adtairalty• al one / • It , was ' alway s ' :.• very dinic ! dt tt t tiny what was the .exact amount of • saltily coinntensyrate whir the dittles . -of any oil- ,-• dal 3it tiatiott. :Nothing,' however, could be more 'tlisadVatitageous .to the &milli y, than to refines .. , •those sal a ri es so lunch., as to prevent the Offices lions being held by any persons who liad t aitittelio ...:• private-44one: Nothing could be so AriStpotatio .' in its tenilenty,tis to 41 1 / 4 !;iyto'ptililiti ofgOts a S it= la nest merely equal t o fit in c:iirrellt CVOCO . CCS ) . . but which' would citable., titiffl'event (tally b tu retire Isom the -public service -witit't•tinifort and intle-. .. ' pensleoce. -. ; . , . ..... , - Mr.'netts:e . s• said, the N'.rble Lord (Castle- teagh) while diseusiing', th is'quastion, lib! 'tl:,?pre , , eated all clamoor; at-he•hattilly did Mali .he itt= • tended co virile a - elamlar l k iinpel.f. He hathela- 1' earnir:ed . al;ilfist the moti o n, "but without , eWeel, l' - litiii i sliett . throWn himself uptin iii. churaeteo.' fie ! ('`fir. Tierney) flail seen smile poor'snen tred at '. f ilte . Old 13i!ii14;',N11,0;,Wheneveyy thing else laileci ['them, had,..,as at lvt . fcsoilter, called wit ne•l ai es to, . ' their - eharacier: In t, hire this course the N 4,1) 1c Lord Mad failed, for n o witri,s iHed appeared its , ' • , , • pia `ravtuir. Here, to ptkrsue. tine' comparison, hr.: ~ nn lit 11'ntf..'st;'1)'17,,c1114 he ni t l lit ) 1 1 : 1 6 ' t :li o -Il itie i r 'e s 4 tit ;i n :4 t1 I ' l : i ta n t .'' :;1 14 :1 1 1 k a ar t prt of it 'which: was in! elligible. hall been.ft , l!y• ..:,:. awiwo , red) . ; in ' wriich, , .h' e a attempted tii shta: : '' . that hiS only lank,' had been ,a'' too ardeat 4tn: '.'.'•. . ticlutiefit to et , oo only. Thi s , he niacin, JC . uppcntr, ". was iris ;ia ly 14ilinig, ;,s Wheili.!Ver ' ha . bail. b e er ! . its . (shire his enlist:tot 'an\ iety' bad - linimit•tOSave evens 11101;11g t hat • emlif rossiblit be" sayel. He hi n t concluded, still lik e t h e ' t i ef So ns h e had seen - ott. Oeirl tri l l qt; (he Old 13,1iley, by Taking Many proinises of IT.ttre good behavionr It was said the c a of tilaries,Whichhati ttnkett place wits ~ 'bile which had be e f s c all e d for ever since the ye...r . , rBoa. Wiry tint) : it riot been t!tflarect at a time hike tine 'nresent ? One re'oSop that bad been given) for l . adding:loool. to the 'Salary of the Secretary of tho ,* Ailtitiraliy•wils, that the patronage of the Iteds venire Cutters had, beett. - taleen frOrn bin). , Whiles however, tinnier Watt paid to one for :taking it nuts ay from' biun, another was paid for receiving ft. Ile then Went ' back' to the Order in 'Council of I 600, respecting the Seeretari,s of the Admiralty, and slteWed that on its 4iting resolved to abolish ''' tine feeS of the Chief See:retiry, try which the oilier had forrlierly '!Rq!n. chiefly lOtt, ti eery small s• Lary only - l'lti'in:;',Litadbed to it. Oil atioli4i4llg t. ' . tfse fees, Wiii;f:lti,:e 'lsne IV to have amounted iii, r •••• - ''....,,,: . i• •,,...;.,., .....si's .. i' . •.,:: . •• s --: , '-' l . - • • ...::... 1; , ..) . :40 .....,....-..4r,„.., , , , ,,,,, , ,F., L'''.'; : '''''',••,''' ,1 , 4. , .,,, ~ -•,,, ,... , . ...•'. .. ..7.'_:':".1:','... : • ' : .. 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