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land will not permit such abominations in the land to continue. At any rate, whatever they may do with my seat, I entertain a better opinion of them than to entertain any fear as to the ge neral result; and I now warn those who are for supporting all abuses, and resisting all compromises, to look out, and reflect for a moment or two on the terms they are likely to get on a future occasion."__( Loud cheers.) Mr. GO CrLBURN rose to order. T - ne I-lon. Member had no right to impute motives to his '.ton. Friend. He had charged him with a wish to support :.oases. —(Oh, oh,) Mr. HUME—I am not accusing any Member of motives. I say that there ar':: certain abuses in- existence, and that there area certain or-rty who support them.—(Cheers.) I do not attribute oritives to the Right Hon. Gentleman in particular, or to his Hon. Friend. I believe the Right Hon. Gentleman is conscientious in his opposition ; and I am at a loss to con ceive that anything has taken place to-night which warrants him in supposing that I hav e i mpute d i mproper motives to any individual.—( Har, hear, hear.) After a few words from Mr. LEFROY and Mr. S. F, You o, the Ist resolution was agreed to. Lord MORPETH then proposed the 2d resolution, sanc tioning the imposition of a charge of 50,000/. on the Conso lidated Fund, for the purposes of general education among all classes of his Majesty's subjecs in Ireland, without religious distinction. On the resolution being put, Mr. G MILBURN while he thanked the Noble Lord for this alteration in his original Bill, must beg to offer a few ob. servations on the resolution. In the first place, it anticipated the existence of no surplus at all ; for, it . there were to one, what occas'on would there be for the Noble Lord's coming forward with anv such proposition as the present ?—( Hear, hear, hear.) Hitherto, the grants for educational purposes in Ireland had been made an nually, in order that Parliament might express its opi nion upon them and control the expenditure, but by the present vote the House was called upon to enact permanently a payment of 50,0001. a year annually, for educational pur poses, without any annual control, without the possibility of revoking its decision, or of altering any part of the arrange ment.---( Hear, hear.) This grant, however, he would not object to, were it not accompanied with the sacrifice of the Established Church. Eight hundred and sixty benefices (esti mated at 58,0001.) were to be sacrificed for securing the re payment of the sum ; but the Noble Lord had saddled the fund he proposed to raise with annual charges so far exceed ing its amount, that in lieu of having any thing in the re served fund, he would find himself in the present instance, as he had in that of the perpetuity fund, annually more and more in debt. What charges had the Noble Lord engaged to de fray out of it? In the first place, he had introduced a pretty large charge into the Bill, which he (Mr. Goulburn) ad mitted ought in justice to prevail. The Noble Lord said, that in cases in which the benefices to be suppressed were the property of lay patrons, the fund was to provide for the pur chase of the permanent interest of those lay patrons. Accord ing to the Noble Lord's account of the 860 benefices, the va lue of the livings in the gift of lay patrons was no less than 150,0001., the whole of which amount must be defrayed out of the Reserved Fund before it was applicable to any ulterior purposes. The payment for glebe-houses would also amount to a very considerable sum. Add to this, the provision which the Noble Lord wished to make for curates at 1001. a year a-piece in certain parishes, and other charges, and he would ask any man who had the power of calculation whether there was the slightest reasonable prospect of any surplus whatever? He had originally expressed his intention of not troubling the House on this Bill ; but this new proposition of the Noble Lord had imposed upon him the necessity of offering a few observations to it. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the Right Hon. Gent. had shown that he was angry ; but his anger proceeded not so much from the objections which he felt to this clause as to his feeling that the introduction of the clause took away one of the principal arguments made use of by Hon. Members who op posed this measure. He did not wonder to find the Right lion. Gent. sore upon the subject of the introduction of this provision, since he must be sensible that it would do away with all chance of the fulfilment of all those murders and assassina tions which had been foretold by Hon. Members as the effect of the clause which provided that in parishes where there were not fifty Protestants, the appointment of a clergyman would be suspended. Then the Right Hon. Gent. said that there would be no surplus. Now, as far as the Government could see, the amount which the reserved fund would derive from the suspension of livings would be 86,0001., from which was to be deducted 28,0001., to satisfy immediate claims upon the fund ; so that a surplus of 56,0001., or thereabouts, might be safely relied upon. It was not an extravagant proposition to say that from fifty to sixty thousand a year would ultimately arise to the reserved fund from the suspended livings.— ( Hear, hear.) He thought, therefore, that this was a per fectly fair proposition, and at the same time that it did not alter any of the main propositions of the Bill, it removed one of the principal objections urged upon the other side of the House against it.---(Hear, hear.) After a few words from Mr. GOULBURN, in explanation, Sir HENRY HA RDINGE said that although he did not oppose the granting of a sum of 50,000/. for the purpose of education to the people of Ireland, still he did not consider that it should be granted in this indirect manner ; neither did he consider the guarantee which this Bill afforded an honest or bona fide guarantee. Lord MORPETH said, that so far was the Government from overstating the amount of the surplus to be reckoned upon, that he was convinced the surplus, if the Bill passed in its present shape, would be much larger than was reckoned upon.--( Hear, hear. ) Mr. HORACE TWISS said, that although the Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland, and the gentlemen who sup ported the Government, had stated that they would not stand upon figures, and would not say that a surplus would actually cant, yet they now came down and called upon the House to advance 50,0001. upon the security of that surplus. It had been even said by the promoters of the measure, that if the re was no surplus, that part o f t h e prov i sions of the Bill would be at an end ; yet now it was proposed that Ireland should enjoy a surplus which did not, and probably would never exist. He would ask if this expected surplus was a proper security for the public money ?—( Hear, hear.) He would ask if it was proper to advance the money of the people of this country on the security of a surplus which not only was admitted by the Government themselves to be doubtful, but which, if there was truth in figures, probably never would ar rive, and at all events could not arrive for years to come ? If 50,000/. had been asked by the Government from the general income of the country, for the purpose of educating the ma k/thy of the people of Ireland, he would not have objected to it ; but he. thought it too vouch to say that the whole amount to be granted for that purpose should be taken from the pockets of' persons who did not believe in the tenets of that religion for whose benefit it was intended. He consi dcred this proposition simply as a struggle to spoliate the Established Church, and transfer its revenues to another religion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER denied that the people of England had to complain even if this sum were lost, which he denied that it would he. Let the House con sider what sums had been paid from the public purse to the charities of England.—( fiear, hear, hear.) If the grants made to those schools alone were recovered, they would go far towards the education of the people of Ireland. Let it be considered too, what sums were granted to the Protestant chartered schools and the Foundling Hospitals of Dublin.— (Hear, hear.) Up to 1829, the amount granted to the former of those institutions was 723,0001., and to the latter 787,0001., snaking a total of 1,510,0001., which was paid to those insti tution out of the general taxation o f th e country. Now this was done by the lion. Gentleman opposite during the years they were in office—(hear, hear)—and if only a per centage of it could now be recovered (which was impossible) it would go far towards the education of the Irish Catholics. With respect to the education of the Irish people, all were agreed as to the necessity of it; the only difference of opinion being as to the mode in which that education should be provided for. He thought the proposed plan was the best, and he should therefore support the proposition. Mr. PRINGLE thought that the system of education adopted in Ireland, instead of improving the Catholics, was calculated to drive them deeper into superstition. Mr. PEASE supported the grant. Mr. SHAW was still of opinion that the numbering of the people of Ireland who followed any particular religion would lead to the most disastrous consequences. He did not think that the Noble Lord had fairly met the objections offered to the proposition by his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Goulburn) for the objection was not the payment of 50,000/. for the pur pose of education this year or any future year, but the objec tion was to that provision of the Bill which said that where there were not fifty Protestants the Established Church should cease to exist. Mr. C. FERGUS SON then rose, but his first observations were uttered in so low a tone, that it was impossible to follow them. We understood him to say that he thought the Noble Lord had done rightly in showing to the people of Ireland that the surplus expected from this Bill was not a delusion. lion. Gentlemen opposite constantly said that there would be no surplus; but he had carefully looked into the matter, and he was satisfied that there would be a considerable surplus.— ( Hear, hear.) In the first instance the money was to be ad vanced out of the Consolidated Fund, and was afterwards to be repaid. It was, therefore, a gross fallacy and atten;pt at delusion, to say that it would come out of the pocke.is of the people. Mr. JACKSON thought that it had been de_ meestr - ated be yond alaril power of cavilling, that no surplus cou ld 'oy any sibility se under this Bill ; and h e , doubt in his pos_n mind that it was i n consequence of . down with th e present nropo , t ction of thi s ki n d convi no that the G overnment had come sition. He c on t en d e d that the system of educaon which was to be prom o t e d b y this turn of 50,000/. a year ti could not be called a national system of edu ca ti on w i t h out the grossest per version of language. It was, in point of fact, a Roman Ca tholic system of education.—(Hear, hear.) Was it, then, surprising that the Protestants of Ireland had no confidence in it? He did not place much reliance in the present Govern ment; but he was satisfied that the Noble Lord and his col leagues would no longer countenance the new system of edu cation if they knew what it really was. In a place with which he was acquainted in the county of Cork, one of their schools was Kept within a convent. Mr. Inglis, in his " Tour in Irelso4d," also states that in Galway one of the schools con nected with the new Board of Education was conducted in a tonvent under the superintendence of the nuns. were the inst ruc t ors o f t h e youth attendin These nu ns P the school, and all the forms of the Roman Catholic religion were observed. H o protested against the proposition that the continuance of the performance of the religion of the State in a parish should de - 4011d — t*the numbers--(Hear, hear.) The principle of pro portion, wwnost pernicious, and if acted upon would lead to the most tiliachievaus consequences.—(Hear, hear.) The livg 0' Protifiti,nts, when scattered among a Roman Catholic popol.ation,*euld be endangered by it. He did not mean to mtke sey 'Week on the character of the lower classes of his , do? countrymen, but every body must be aware that they were pc- ' culiarly open to excitement. They possessed many good qua lities, but they also possessed others which he could not praise. ilt was a fact notorious to any one that in some parts of re - land, a fair was never held without great disturbances and oven homicidal offences. _— non. Gentlemen oppo con continued to repe a t th a t t h ere wou ld , Lord M 0 RPETI - br observed_ I thn. site, one after the et be no sur-t hmusttherefore trouble the House with once e snore stating the grounds wh he ente r t a i ne d t h e op i n i on h e had adopted, a lth o u g h b y so doing he might run the risk of fatiguing them. Prom the benefices or parishes which, under the operation of this Bill, would have no new incumbents ap pointed to them after the next vacancy in 2a'cli, after deducting tnirty per cent., he found thers. , would arise 82,3751. a-year to be paid to the Commissioners. After deducting the expenses wliich would fall on this fund, and which were made charge able on it by this Bill, including the interest of the money to be raised to compensate the owners of the advowsons, there would remain about 50,0001. a-year to be devoted to the pur poses of education.—( Hear, hear.) This amount did not in clude the sum that would be derived from the operation of the clauses which allowed the income of rich benefices in certain cases, to be reduced to 3001. a-year. He had never made any allowance for what might be derived from this source, but he bad no doubt that the amount would not be inconsiderable. With regard to the present system of education, he wished to say a few words. He wished that he had brought down with him some letters he had received from persons in Ireland contradicting, statements made in that House respecting some of the schools under the new system. One of these was from the master of the school, of which it was alleged that the scholars attending it were compelled to attend mass both evening and morning. This person denied that there was a word of truth in the statement, or that any Protestant child was ever called upon to attend the Catholic place of worship. It had been said that the number of Protestant clergymen who had applied to the new Board of Education did not exceed 140. Now he believed, that if proper inquiry was made, it would be found that the number of both Catholic and Protestant clergymen who had made application to the new Board of Education was pretty equal, allowing, of course, for the different amount of the numbers of the mem bers of the two religions. The Her,. Gentleman had said that the number of Protestants in a parish had nothing to do with the question of the Establishment. He (Lord Morpeth) did not know what taunts he might bring upon himself, if he stated that he entertained an opposite opinion. He was quite at a loss to conceive the utility of keeping up an expensive establishment for the religious instruction of persons who did not exist in many parishes. The Hon. and Learned Gentle man said that they ought to provide religious instruction for even five members of the Establishment in a parish. Had the Bill made provision for such purpose ? It had been said that the salvation of five souls was of infinitely more import ance than the obtaining this surplus of 50,0001. a year. He (Lord Morpeth) agreed that the value of a human soul was far beyond any human estimate or any expense that could be incurred; but he would recommend those who had urged this, to consider the value of those souls of the millions in Ireland who were now neglected, and had not the adequate means of instruction. Mr. O'CONNELL remarked that the disclosure of bad principles sometimes led to good. The Right Hon. Member for the University of Dublin had that night given them a specimen of his liberality of feeling—he seemed actuated with such zeal, as to amount almost to spiritual ferocity.—( Hear, hear.) He seemed to be actuated by the feeling that he was alone infallible, and that the law which he laid down must be right. He (Mr. O'Connell) was glad that the Hon. and Learned Member for Bandon had at last shown himself up. Perhaps the House was not aware that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had been Secretary to the Kildare -street Society for twenty-five years.--( Cheers.) He was the man to whom the surperindence of the education of the people had been intrusted.—( Hear, hear.) Could they be surprised that the people of Ireland were dissatisfied with the system of education afforded in the Kildare-street Society Schools, after what had fallen that night from the Hon. Member.—( Hear, hear.) He had told them—and had been cheered by those behind him when he did so—that children had been educated within the walls of a convent. The Hors. and Learned Gen tleman did not say whether or not there were any Protestant children in the number._( Hear, hear.) Again he would ask, what was the use of keeping up a church in a parish in which there were no Protestants?--( Hear, Hear.) Were they to maintain a church for abstract Protestants ?—( Laughter.) If there was not a single Protestant in a parish, what was the use of keeping up a church and paying a clergyman? Was it that the atmosphere might be improved by the savour of Protestantism ? He would ask the late secretary of the Kil dare -street Society at once, where was the Protestantism where there were no Protestants ?—( Laughter.) But were the souls of Catholics of less value than those of Protestants ? The Hon. and Learned Gentleman would make the 9,000 Ca tholic inhabitants of some parishes pay largely for the support of a Protestant clergyman, and the maintennance of a church for the religious instruction of five Protestants. Were not the Catholics equally entitled to the means of instruction as the Protestants ? It almost appeared that the only thing to be cared about was to examine how much they could get extorted from the 9,000 Catholics. If they were sincere Protestants, they would rejoice at this Bill as tak ing away the tarnish that had previously affected the Protestant Church. Great alarm had been expressed at the idea of a number of children being educated at a school room in a convent. What harm was there in the school room being within the walls of a convent? It was an absur dity to suppose that a school could be held there for the pur pose of proselytism. There were two classes of nuns in Ire land—one who devoted themselves to the education of the poor --and the other who were employed in visiting the sick. When the cholera raged with such violence in Ireland, these excellent women devoted themselves to attending the sick in the hospitals. In his neighbourhood eleven nuns constantly attended the hospital for twenty-four hours, and at the expira tion of that time they were succeeded by eleven others.— ( Hear.) There was not one, however, from Kildare -street to be met with in these scenes of misery. In the bloom of life and vigour of health, these amiable women tended in the most pestilential atmosphere those who had been attacked by that frightful disease.—( Hear.) He had seen them at the time, and they were most cheerful in consequence of the satisfaction they experienced in doing good and alleviating the sufferings of their fellow -creatures. In Killarney he knew a convent in which three young Protestants had been placed by their parents for the purpose of education. Their parents had sent them there from choice, and had no fear of Prosely tism. He challenged any man to point out a single in stance in which the nuns engaged in education in Ireland had ever interfered with the religion of the Protestant chil dren intrusted to their care. He would meet any ants • gonist foot to foot on this point, and would defy him to point out a single instance where such conduct had been proved. He denied, also, that the Protestant children attending the schools under the new system of education were ever inter fered with by the Roman Catholic Clergy. This had re peatedly been asserted, but he challenged any Hon. Member to show him a single instance of the kind—if they did not do so, what became of their declarations on the subject ?-_( Hear, hear.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite had spoken with a degree of bigotry which he was surprised that a man of education could exhibit. It was the remains of that bigotry which, thank God, the present Government had put down.—( Hear, hear.) They never could have a recurrence of that system which, the Hon. Gentleman was so anxious to see carried into effect. The late Govern ment even had shrunk from adopting that system which the Hon. Gentlemen. advocated. They had refused to abo lish the new system of education, and fell back on the Kildare-street Society.—( Hear, hear.) All that h e reqired was a modifi ca ti on of the law. He had been told u that there could be no surplus. At the present moment there was a Protestant clergyman in every parish in Ireland-- there was not a benefice or parish that was not filled up. Now, a certain number of these, on vacancies oc curring, were not to be filled up ; and was he to be told that 'no income would be derived from these parishes ? Was there no difference whether or not the parishes were filled up ?_( Hear, hear.) In the province of Munster, there were 2,200,000 Catholics and 183,000 Protestants. The church was to be better apportioned to the wants of the latter than it at present was. It was, therefore, a monstrous ab surdity to tell him that there would be no surplus in that pro vince. The truth was, that the animus which was now mani fested on the subject originated in that paltry feeling of su perioty which had been engendered in one party in Ireland, through the instrumentality of England, whose policy it was to create division. He trusted that the time was not distant when the Kildare -street Society and its orators, and the Re corder and his judicial qualifications, Would be estimated at their full value, and would sink into the insignificance they deserved.— ( Hear.) Mr. SHA W said that the ;ion. and Learned Gentleman had asserted that he ( 11 .7. Shaw) and those who acted with him were actua t ed;ntheir conduct by some feeling of supe riority over th Catholics of Ireland : he denied that this was the case. He did not claim any superiority; but he must pro test 'against the language used by the Hon. and Learned Mem ber with respect to the Established Church. What, however, was the situation in which the Hon. and Learned Member had placed himself? The Hon. and Learned Member had so lemnly declared, on his oath, that he would not attempt to subvert or injure the Protestant Church of Ireland, and not withstanding this, he was now attempting to subvert that Church.--(" Hear," and " Order.") Mr. O'CONNELL exclaimed " It is false !" which was followed by loud cries of " Order, order." Mr. O'CONNELL rose to order. He submitted that the Right Hon. Member was out of order in accusing him (Mr. O'Connell) of swearing to one thing, and doing directly the contrary.__( Great confusion, and cries of " Order.") Mr. FINN said that a grossly calumnious attack had been made on his Hon. and Learned Friend, by the Right Hon. Member. Mr. SHAW observed that he did not intend to charge the Hon. and Learned Gentleman with perjury ; but he contended that he was perfectly justified in the argument he had used. Mr. FINN hastily rose, and exclaimed it was a false and atrocious calumny. Several other HoN. MEMBERS rose at the same moment and made use of some hasty expressions ' • but such w as t h e con ' fusion o f th e H ouse, an d t h e loud cries of " Order," and Chair," that it was utterly impossible to gather them. The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Bernal) at length obtained partial order, and stated that if order was not restored lie would im mediately leave the chair and bfeak up the Committee, and report the reason to the House. It was utterly impossible to proceed with the public business, if seven or eight Hon. Mem bers rose at the same moment to address the Committee. He then called on Mr. Shaw. • Mr. SHAW said that he would not pursue the subjer' ther. They had beard the Hon. and Learned Gi'... scribe the clergy as cormorants, and yet he tar: _ o gegian 4e 4.oplairted of an, -~..._.~ THE SUN, LONDON, TITURSDA_Y; JULY 30, 105. allusion to himself. The Hon. and Learned Gentl— that there should be no church estabb ,3 -- sect should support its ow" once advance' - said —went, but that every clergy. This he had more than as ills opinion. Was shere anything that could j ustify the temper and language of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman at what he had said. He was sorry that so many Hon. Gentleman had chosen to rise in such a manner as to call for the interference of the Chairman in such a pointed way. He was quite at a loss to understand how the observations that he had made could affect so many Hon. Gentlemen. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had not attempted to answer his Hon. and Learned Friend, as to one of the schools under the Board of Education being in a convent. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman asked whether there was any evil in it, but he did not dispute the matter of fact. Indeed in his own parish the school-room was placed in such a way that the scholars hadlo go through the yard of the convent to get at it. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had alluded to his spiritual ferocity ; his, however, was not like the ferocity of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, for that exhibited itself in a death's-head and cross-bones.—( Loud cries of " Oh !") Mr. O'CONNELL—And your's in a calf's head.--(A laugh. ) Mr. YOUNG said he should support the resolution. Mr. S. CRAWFORD said he did not accept this Bill as a final settlement of the tithe question. As a member of the Established Church, he would not make an offer so dero gatory to that Church. He contended that Catholics and Protestants ought to be exempted from all payment on ac count of the Established Church. If the principle of that Bill were carried into full effect, there never would be a surplus. No settlement could be considered final, which did not extinguish tithes as ecclesiastical property. Sir H. HARDINGE said, the observations of his Hon. and Learned Friend had been attacked by Hon. Gentlemen on the other side, and, he thought, had been mistaken. He understood his Hon. and Learned Friend to object to the sum in question being paid out of the Consolidated Fund, and thus made permanent, instead of being voted from year to year, and therefore subject to the control of Parliament— ( Hear, hear.) He also objected to the charge thus made on the Consolidated Fund, being secured on the surplus. His belief was, that this would turn out to be no security at all, because there would be no surplus. He was not opposed to the grant if it was properly applied; on the contrary, if he had continued in office, he should have proposed it from year to year. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the imputation against the late Government, that they proposed this grant, not be cause they approved of it, but only because they were pressed by the necessity of the time, did not proceed from his side of the House, but from one of the Hon. Gentlemen opposite. He believed when he heard it that it was thrown out most un justifiably, and he was now very glad that the Hon. and Gal lant Member had declared that in a future year he would have proposed the grant, had he continued in office. Sir HENRY HARDINGE said that he never in any of the previous years when the grant was proposed, expressed an opinion or gave a vote on the question. When it became his duty to bring forward the vote, he looked to see what had been done by his predecessors ; and finding it was impossible that benefit should not result from it, if it were fairly and honestly applied, lie did not hesitate to give it his sanction.-- ( Hear, hear.) He had every reason to believe that the sys tem would in future have his support, but he would frankly state that much must depend on its being carried into effect in a bona fide manner. If such a course were taken, he thought it must prove salutary ; but if not, the system must prove most objectionable. If what his Hon. and Learned Friend had stated were true—if the Protestant children were treated in the monasteries and nunneries as he had described, then he would say that the intention of the grant was perverted, and the Commissioners, if they did their duty, would take care that such abuses did not continue to exist.— ( Hear.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the explanation just given was exactly what might have been expected from the frank manner in which the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman usually spoke. He agreed with the Hon. and Gallant Gen tleman that any contravention of the rules laid down by the Board ought to be looked into. The rules, if good, ought to be observed : if imperfect, they might be amended. If they were contravened, an authority ought to be exercised to secure their due observance.—( Hear, hear.) He must say it was a subject of regret with him that when the Government, on a former evening, brought this question before the House, the Hon. Secretary of the Treasury under the late Government did not attend the Committee, and defend them from the at tacks of Hon. Gentlemen opposite, to which they were exposed. Hon. Gentlemen on his side of the House had supported the late Government on this question ; but they, in their turn, were not fortunate enough to have the support of those by whom the estimate was signed and proposed. Sir H. HARDINGE said he believed that the Hon. Se cretary of the Treasury, with several other Hon. Friends of his, as well as the majority of the House, did not expect the vote to be brought forward on the evening when it was moved. Mr. R. WYNN begged to say, in explanation, that he came down to the House intending to support the vote, but he foulid the feeling of the House so strong in its favour that he thought he might be spared.--( Hear, hear.) Sir J. HOBIIOUSE said that on the night in question there were forty-one of the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, greatly to his astonishment, who voted against that very grant which had been introduced by the Right Hon. Baronet opposite.— (Cheers.) It was certainly most unfortunate that when the vote did come on—owing, he would not say to any defection, but to some unaccountable accident or other—not one of the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, who would have supported the mo tion had they not been absent, was present.__( Cheers.) That being a vote which was viewed very invidiously —that being a vote Is hich was much objected to—it unquestionably would have been more fortunate for the present Government if the speeches which they had heard this evening had been declared on the former occasion.—( Cheers.) • Sir H. HARDINGE said it had not been stated that the miscellaneous estimate would come on that evening. Sir J. C. H OBHO US E said it was to his very great disap pointment, on account of the high estimate he had formed of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite, that he did find him opposing the grant which had been proposed by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's political friends when in po*er, and that none of the late Government were there to support them in their utmost need.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. JACKSON said, having been so pointedly alluded to, by the Hon. and ,Learned Member for Dublin, and by the Right Hon. Baronet, he trusted the House would allow him to make one or two observations in reply. It was true he took a part in the discussion of this question on a former occa sion. lie came into the House by mere accident in the very middle of the debate. Not having had the slightest idea that the Miscellaneous Estimates would be moved, he and some Hon. Friends had withdrawn for the purpose of obtaining some refreshment. Finding that the question was under discussion, he did what he conceived to be his duty—he opposed the mo tion.—(Hear, bear, hear.) He begged to declare that he never on any occasion had said or done any thing, directly or indirectly, which could be construed to signify his approbation of this vote. On the contrary, he had stated in the hearing of his Right Hon. Friend, who was at present in his place, (Sir R. Peel), that when the vote was brought forward by the late Government, he did object to it in private conversa tion, though he did not get up and say so.—(Ministerial cheers.) He understood these cheers, and he thought he could show to the Hon. Gentleman opposite, that more premature cheers were never uttered on the other side of the House, and that was saying a great deal.—(Hear, hear, hear.) During the period when the late Government were in office, the Noble Lord who then sat upon the Opposition side of the House addressed a question to the Right Hon. Baronet repect ing this grant. He was at that time a very young Member of the House, and he put it to Hon. Gentlemen opposite, who knew what was the course of proceeding in matters of this kind much better than he did, whether it was competent to him, there being no / question—no motion before the House, to rise in his plaeeand enter into a discussion of the subject, and express his disapprobation of the vote. He remembered that on a very recent occasion, when a question was asked re specting foreign affairs, an Hon. Member having entered upon a discussion of the subject, was peremptorily put down. If he had risen to discuss the propriety of this grant when the ques tion was asked to which he had adverted, he might have ex pected to have shared the same fate. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite had referred to his connection with the Kildare-street Society. He was not ashamed to avow that he had been for, he believed, twenty-five years the Honorary Secretary of that Society; indeed he might say that no cir cumstance had given him greater satisfaction than the reflec tion that he had devoted his time to a Society to which Ireland might be said to owe her present improved system of educe tiyn.—( Cries of no, no.) The Hon. and Learned gentle man referred to a Report containing the evidence cf Dr. Doyle ; his object was to show that Dr. Doyle, in the evi dence he eam before a Select C omm itt ee , expresse d hi mself as favourable, with one or two exceptions, to the plan of education acted upon by the Kildare-street Society.—( Loud cheers.) They had issued a million and a half of a book of travels, whi Ai contained a passage representing that absolution was given at Rome to a man who had committed murder —it was the only portion of the book disapproved of by the Catholics. This was objected to, and the passage was expunged in the new edition. The Testament which they used was the Rhemish edition, They did not give the Old Testament, and all they stipulated for was that the Scriptures should not be garbled. In conclusion, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman referred to a letter published by the lion. and Member for Dublin, headed "Tithes, tithes, tithes." The Ifon. and Learned Member there said that he should not be content till his principles were carried into full effect ; yet the other night he talked of this measure as final, and recommended it on the ground that it would establish peace in Ireland. Now the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was surely inconsistent here, it being very obvious that if fresh claims were to be made hereafter, so far from peace having been established the struggle would be vi g orously renewed. Mr. D. RONA YNE said the excuse of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman who had just sat down, for not having opposed the estimates when the were formerly before the House was that he was a very young Member.—( Cries of . " No, n o .") - Mr. JACKSON —What I said was, that this being on the only occasion when the grant was referred to, no question being before the House, I could not enter upon this discussion. Mr. RONA YNE said th.at the excuse made by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman I':'nen he last gave an explanation of the cours e h e h a d taken, most certainly was, that he was a young Member, an d th without obst ruct i on t, be made (Hear, hear, hear.) fora year.— The Hon. a n d I - Oentlernan had pow taken a somewhat different r- at he therefore would allow the grant „.ounde ” ~. HUME asked in what manneyths. House was to have an &to t tzoLint of the expenditure of the money proposed to be ororted? Lord MORPETH said that the moneys issued under the direction of the Treasury would be always accounted for. Mr. HUME thought that it would be much better that the money should he voted annually. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that there was no objection to the insertion of a provision, in the Committee on the Bill, requiring an annual account of the money expended to be produced. Mr. HUME still thought it would be more desirable that the House should have an opportunity of discussing the sub ject of the grant, on annually voting. An HON. MEMBER said that the ahsWef of the Noble Lord was most satisfactory. He should now be ready to give his support to the proposition before the House—otherwise he should have entered his protest against it. The Resolution was then agreed to, and the House resumed. CORPORATION REFORM (IRELAND). Lord NIO R PET H then rose and said that he trusted no ob jection would be made to his Right Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Perrin) stating now the nature of the proposed measure of Reform in Irish Corporations. Mr. CRIPPS was understood to intimate that the County Coroners Bill ought to be taken first. Lord JOHN RUSSELL admitted the Hon. Gentleman's right to bring forward the measure first, but hoped that he would give way on the present occasion. Mr. SHAW said that a general impression had been en tertained that the question of Irish Corporate Reform would not he brought on that night.—( Loud cries of " No," and calls for Mr. Perrin.) Mr. HUME said that the Bill of the Hon. Member for Ci rencester (Mr. Cripps) was one which would require con siderable discussion ; the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Per rin) only required to make a statement, and no debate would ensue upon it. Mr. CRIPPS said that the greater part of the Bill had been already gone through, and that the discussion of the re mainder would not occupy more than half an hour. He then moved that the Order of the day for the Committee on the County Coroners' Bill be then read. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL earnestly hoped that his Hon. Friend would not persist, but would allow his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Perrin) to proceed with his statement. Mr. CRI PPS said that it was only owing to the absence of his Right Hon. Friend (the Attorney-General) that the Bill had not been gone through. If he did not persevere now, he should have little chance of bringing forward the Bill at any other time. Mr. O'CONNELL hoped the Hon. Gentleman would not persevere. The County Coroners' Bill for England was im portant, but the question of Corporate Reform for Ireland was more so. Were it only for the sake of novelty, he hoped the Hon. Gentleman would give way ; surely he could not deem the Irish people blameable on account of the absence of the Attorney-General for England on a former night. Mr. CRIPPS asked the Hon. and Learned Gentleman whether there had been no time that night occupied in the dis cussion of Irish affairs ? Mr. O'CONNELL said that surely the Hon. Member could not but deem the subject which had occupied the House that night to be an important one. If he postponed his Bill, there would be no lengthened discussion on the statement of the Right Hon. Gentle Man (Mr. Perrin). Mr. CRIPPS repeated his intention o (persevering. Mr. O'CONNELL said that he should move that the mo tion for reading the Order of the Day be postponed till to morrow. Mr. W. DUNCOMBE hoped that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman would not persevere in that motion. More than one-half of the night had been already consumed in the dis cussion of Irish affairs, and surely some time ought to be given to the consideration of English questions. However impor tant the Irish Corporate Reform Bill might be, it was really asking too much of the English Members of the House— ( Loud cries of " Hear, hear !" from Mr. O'Connell and other Members)—that they should not devote some time to matters concerning England. Lord JOHN RUSSELL admitted the Hon. Gentleman's right to bring forward his Bill at once, and thought that it would be quite unjustifiable to attempt to set it aside unless he himself were willing to give way. Therefore, if the Hon. Gentleman persisted, and any motion were made for putting off his Bill, he should feel bound to vote with him against that motion. At the same time be hoped that the Hon. Gen tleman would give way ; and he was willing, if there should not be time that night after his Right Hon. Friend's state ment had been made, to discuss the Bill, that the Hon. Gen tleman should have precedence on Friday next. After a few inaudible words from Mr. Alderman WOOD, Mr. C RIP PS again repeated his intention of persevering. Mr. WAKLEY earnestly entreated him to give way, and The order of the day was then read, and the question put that the Speaker leave the chair, when Mr. O'CONNELL moved that the Bill be committed on Friday next. The gallery was then cleared for a division, but none took place, and the House went into Committee on the COUNTY CORONERS' BILL. On the clause providing that fees should be paid to the me. dical men who were called upon to give evidence before a Co roner's jury, Mr. C. BARCLAY moved an amendment, to the effect that the fee to be given should in no case be less than 11., or more than two. Mr. O'CONNELL said that this part of the Bill would open the door to the widest jobbing. This amendment might as well propose at once that the fee should be always 21. ; it might be regarded as certain that no Coroner would give his cousin less than 2/. He hoped that the House would reject the clause altogether. Mr. CRIPPS said that the amendment was not his, and that he objected to it entirely. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL also objected to it, and said that the clause was not of his framing. An Hon. MEMBER said, that at present no remuneration was allowed to medical gentlemen for the performance of the duty in question, which was one of much danger ; many sur geons had lost their lives by dissecting exhumed bodies, and yet medical men were by this Bill liable to be called before a Coroner's jury at any time. Ought they not then to be remu nerated? The remuneration might be accorded by the jury, and thus all jobbing, so far as the Coroner was concerned, would be avoided. Mr. O'CONNELL—Such an amendment would only lead to greater jobbing ; for the Coroner would in that case have to summon such a jury as he thought would readily grant to the surgeon (in all probability his cousin, or some other near re lation) as large a sum as could possibly be granted. An HON. MEMBER said that the Coroner had nothing to do with the summoning of the jury—it was the constable who summoned it. Mr. O'CONNELL—Yes, nominally the constable, but no one could reasonably doubt that it was the Coroner's jury, for it was he who signed the panel, and the inquest was in fact his.---( Hear. ) Mr. WARBURTON considered that 2/. was but small re muneration for a respectable surgeon, when it was necessary to open a body. Alderman WOOD thought that the Chairman ought to re port progress, as in the disposition exhibited on the part of the House to hear the motion of the Hon. Gentleman the Attorney- General for Ireland, it was impossible that the provisions of the Bill before the Committee could receive due consideration. Mr. WYNN considered it too late to call for postponement, after the House had gone into Committee on the Bill. Alderman WOOD—I feel bound to persevere in my motion, though the Chairman report progress and ask leave to sit again. Mr. MILES—I should feel sincerely concerned for the dig nity of the House if such a motion as that of the Hon. Mem ber for London be persevered in. If he do persist in it, all I can say is, that if I were to sit here until two o'clock to-mor row, I will not allow any other business to be proceeded with. —( Hear, hear.) Mr. G. F. YOUNG quite concurred in the view which had been taken by the Hon. Member for Somerset. If he were to sit there until Saturday he would not consent to have any other business gone into before this Bill was considered in Committee. Lord J. RUSSELL observed, that though it might have been a more satisfactory course to the House if the Hon. Member who introduced the Bill had consented to postpone the consideration of it in Committee, still, as the House had agreed to go into Committee, it would not be at all cre ditable if it were not now proceeded with.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. WA KLE Y deeply regretted that the discussion into which the House had been betrayed, should have taken place. —( Hear, hear.) He hoped that this Bill, which was a subject of great consequence, and which affected the interests of all classes of persons, would be allowed to proceed. . He could not help expressing his sorrow that a proposition for giving but inadequate remuneration to those without whose testi mony a coroner's inquest would be a mere farce, should be received at his side of the House in the tone and temper with which it had been met. The hostility which the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin had displayed to the propo sition really surprised him, because his Hon. and Learned Friend must be aware that there was an Irish Act called one of the Grand Jury Acts, which empowered the coroner to give the surgeon four guineas. But his Hon. and Learned Friend was apprehensive, that if the surgeon who attended inquests was fairly paid for his services, that jobbing would ensue. He knew not in what manner these inquests were held in Ireland ; but from the mode in which they were conducted in this country, he felt perfectly convinced that no jobbing what ever would take place under them.—( Hear.) He considered the fee of two paunds too small a remuneration for the per formance of so exceedingly disagreeable and painful a duty. It was most dangerous to life ; and the insurance offices re quired a higher premium to be paid on effecting an insurance on the life of a surgeon on account of this circumstance ; and some offices, in consequence of their having to perform such a duty, refused to insure the life of the person liable to it at all. In many instances the surgeon had to examine cu taneous diseases, of which there was some danger of conta gion, and he had frequently to examine the whole of the organs of the human body, and even after this examination it was not a very uncommon occurrence that he was at a loss to account for the cause of death. When such were the means obliged to be taken by a surgeon to acquire information as to the cause of death, it was quite impossible that any other person con nected with the inquest could know anything of the matter considered as a medical subject. He objected to the amend ment which had been proposed, not because it directed that too high a sum should be paid to the surgeon, but because he considered-it too small. He was of opinion that the surgeon ought to receive from 101. to 31., and in no case less than 3/. ( Hear, hear.) If he were paid 10/., it would not in some cases he considered extravagant. He knew a post mortent examination to last eight hours, and even then the inquiry was not considered a satisfactory one. Would any man say that a respectable surgeon in extensive practice would be overpaid, if . on such an occasion he received 31. ?—( Hear, hear.) The House should bear in mind, that whenever any proposition for the. pay of barristers were made, it was ac ceded to without the slightest hesitation. Thus barristers were for instance, sent on CoMfaissions of Inquiry through. `lie country, travelled in their coaches-and-four, enjoying - , osoects which the country displayed, and the scenery anu 'ses, besides five g u i neas a d ay. received their travelling exp,_ - -les to an inquest, he But if the surgeon travelled twenty was not allowed a farthing. It bad been sa i d u.s. - Coroner generally called in Ids cousin, who was a surgeon. The t.:o roner had not the power to do so; for the medical man whb was known to possess the most skill in the district In whieh the occurrence which gave rise to the Inquest took place, was generally called in. If the House bestowed the slightest calm Consideration on the subject, they could not, he thought, refuse to give to the Medical man, who had so onerous and painful a duty to fulfil, a fair and just compensation.—( Hear.) Captain PE CHE LL wished to know what was to be done in the event of such a case occurring again as that which he understood to have once taken place. It was this :—An in quest was held on a man supposed to be drowned—a verdict was returned of " Found Drowned"—and this man was re covered by the Humane Society, and lived for 24 hours. Dr. B 0 WRING—No post mortem examination could take place until after death. Mr. WA KLE Y-01), yes, there can; I know an instance in which there were three inquests held on the body of a wo man in the London Hospital. - The coroner was an attorney ; and I am informed that, after holding the first inquest, oil proceeding to hold the second, the woman was discovered eating oysters.—(Laughter.) Mr. O'CONNE L L—Talk of Irish jobbing after that.— ( Laughter.) At this side of the Channel it appeared that a person might die three times.—(Laughter.) With respect to the douse he would only add, that he was most anxious that the jobbing practised under the Act referred to by his Hon. Friend should not be transferred to his country. After a few words from Mr. FRENCH and Mr. CRIPPS, Mr. ESTCOURT was of opinion that 31. was the smallest amount of remuneration which the surgeon ought to receive. A remuneration of even 3/. was not sufficient for a respectable surgeon. Mr. CUTLAR FERGUSON thought that 31. might sometimes be too much, and sometimes too little. In his opinion the remuneration ought not to be less than IL, nor more than 3/. After some further discussion, we understood that the blank in the clause was filled up with the words "two pounds." On the proposition whether the expense should be paid out of the county rate or by the parish, a division took place, For the payment out of the county rate 117 For the payment by the parish . Majority ---94 Mr. WARBURTON moved, as an amendment to the mode of electing the Coroner prescribed by the Bill, that the elec tion should be conducted by the churchwardens, and that the polling should take place for eight hours in the vestry. After a long discussion, in which a variety of conflicting propositions were offered to the Committee, Mr. WAKLEY earnestly entreated the Hon. Member (Mr. Cripps) to withdraw the Bill for the "present session. Mr. WARBURTON, with the view of relieving the Hon. Gentleman from the difficulty of his situation, was willing to alter his amendment, and to move that the Chairman do now leave the Chair. Mr. PEA SE thought, es the Hon. Member had now for five years brought forward the same measure without success, it would be better that he should now withdraw it altogether. It was evident the House would never consent to it in the state in which it was introduced. After a short discussion, Mr. CRIPPS consented to with draw the Bill for the present. The CHAIRMAN then left the Chair, and the House re sumed. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND) BILL. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that as his Hon. and Learned Friend, the Solicitor-General for Ireland, had been deprived of the opportunity of bringing forward the Irish Municipal Bill that evening, he begged to giye notice that it would be introduced on Friday next. Mr. S HEIL begged to inquire whether it was the Noble Lord's intention that the House should sit on Saturdays ? He would remind the Noble Lord that Irish Members had not the same opportunity as English Members for leaving town on intermediate occasions, and that it was therefore a matter of greater importance to them that no time should be lost in getting through the remaining business of the Session. Under these circumstances he intreated the Noble Lord to allow the House to sit on Saturdays.—( Oh, oh !) Mr. FINCH suggested to the Noble Lord whether, con sidering the advanced period of the Session, it would not b e better to put off the I ris h M un i c i pa l Bill till another year.— (Oh, oh !) Mr. SHE IL thought that the suggestion of the Hon. Gen tleman who had last spoken must be sufficient to open the eyes of the Noble Lord as to the tactics intended to be pursued by the opposite side. He trusted that, in spite of such sugges tions, the Noble Lord would have energy enough to proceed. Dr. BALDWIN—If we sit here till the Ist of January, we will see the Irish Municipal Bill through the House. We are not of a disposition to be baffled by the vexatious proceedings of the opposite side.--( Hear.) Colonel SIBTHORP could not assent to the proposition for sitting on Saturdays; and unless the Hon. Member for Sal ford exercised his usual prerogative of moving the adjourn ment, he (Colonel Sibthorp) should feel himself called upon to do so. Mr. BROTHERTON was certainly of opinion that the time had arrived, at which the House ought to adjourn. At the same time he must say that he should not be opposed to the House sitting for a reasonable and convenient period on Saturdays, if it were thought by such an arrangement the du ration of the session could in any way be reduced. Mr. WAKLEY thought that if an additional opportunity of debate were required, it would be better to fix it for any other day than Saturday. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that there was one Bill standing on the orders of the day which it was very ne cessary to have read a second time without any further delay.-- he meant the Sheriffs of London. Declaration Bill. He un derstood that the Hon. Members for the city of London had withdrawn all objections to it; and he therefore hoped he should be allowed to proceed with it that evening. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER suggested that it would be better to take the Registration of Counties Bill, with respect to which he understood there were only a few objections on mere points of detail. Colonel SIBTHORP persisted in his motion that the House do now adjourn. The House divided— For the motion Against it Majority —Bs POLLS AT ELECTIONS BILL. On our return to the gallery, we found the House in Com mittee on the Polls at Elections Bill, and we understood that the first four clauses were postponed. On the sth clause being proposed. Col. SIBTHORP strongly objected against proceeding with the Bill. He said it was a decidedly Radical Bill —most unconstitutional, and destructive of all order. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave his decided support to the Bill, because it, in his opinion, was most constitutional in principle, was calculated to preserve order instead of destroying it, and would correct abuses at elections, more particularly the great and crying abuse—cor- ruption. The Earl of LINCOLN was opposed to the Bill, and for this reason, among others, that it contained no provision against intimidation, which was as great an abuse as corrup tion. The Bill which the Hon. Member for Middlesex for merly introduced provided for the adjournment of the poll in the case of a riot. If, therefore, this Bill should be passed he wished a similar provision to be introduced. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUMR agreed with the Noble Lord, that intimidation ought by all means to be provided against; but he believed that by the present law there existed a power to adjourn the poll in the case of a riot. Colonel SIBTHORP—TaIk of bribery and corruption at elections ! For my part I never yet could find out what was bribery or corruption.—( Hear.) The Earl of LINCOLN was anxious, as there was some doubt as to the present state of the law, to propose the clause now, to which he had referred, instead of waiting till the Re port was brought up. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER begged the Noble Lord to defer doing so until the Bill had gone through Committee, and he would then adopt the Noble Lord's proposition, as he conceived the clause was very carefully framed for the purpose for which it was intended. Clause 5 was then agreed to. On clause 6 being proposed, Colonel SIBTEFO RP proposed by way of amendment, that in no case of a contested election, should polling-places be within the distance of 400 yards of each other, or in the same street, lane, or place. The amendment was put, and negatived without a division. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposed the insertion of a proviso at the end of the third clause, to the effect, that in the event of an election being disturbed by riot or other disturbance, the sheriff or returning-officer should adjourn the poll until next day, or to such other period as he might think proper; and that the day on which such adjourn ment took place should not be considered a day of polling under the Act. The proviso was put and carried, and the other clauses were severally put and agreed to. On the question, " That this be the preamble of the Bill," Mr. Alderman WOOD proposed a clause, compelling the liverymen of the City of London, resident within the walls, to poll at the booths in their respective parishes or districts, either as householders or as liverymen, as the sheriff or return officer might direct. His object was to prevent the confusion which must arise if the whole of the liverymen (who were by the Reform Act compelled to poll in the Guildhall of the City of London) were to be obliged to poll in one building in the course of a single day, that being the period to which the pre sent Bill limited the duration of the elections. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER deprecated the introduction of special clauses without due notice ; and suggested the postponement of the motion until the third read ing of the Bill. A short conversation ensued ; but as it appeared that the motion could not be formally made on the question before the Committee, it was not put. The House resumed: The Chairman reported the Bill with the amendments to the House, and the Report was ordered to be received this day. NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT. On the motion of Mr. HA WE 5, The following Select Committee was appointed to consider Of the best means of warming and ventilating the new Houses of Parliament, and rendering them favourable to the trans mission of sound. Hawes ' B. Clerk, Sir G. Compton, H. C. Hall, B. Howne, P. H. Howick, Lord Hughis, H. ' Sandon, Lord Smith, B. Someriet, Lord G. Strutt, Edward Tracey, C. H, Warburton, H. of the day were then disposed of, and the two o'clock. The other orders House adjourned at LIS7 Of 36 (Tellers includ T 1 co v... 7; D r. 13,,roArii, E. G. 11. J. tlotikin, .Jefin Itottit,g ; De. Brady, (7. Butler, lion. P. S. Crawford, NV. S. Curteis, Major Elphiwtone, Ijoward hi rguson, B. C. Colnnel L. Hector, C. J. ' OF THE 'VINO. !c(1), who voted against Clipperton. 31‘Cance, John 31•Naynart, W. Joha .1 A. Wt. onnell, I). O'Connell, .1. (rConne 1, 31. 11..7. o'l.oghlen, sergeant Parrott, .1. Pelham, C A. ' Pendatve,, K W. 31. ►RITY it the liberation of Mr. Power, P. ROlll%llO, D. Iluthve.t. E Ittyhven, E. S. Scrope, G. I' Wakley, Thomas Wason, H. W. Winnington, Sir T. TELLE RS. Potter, IL Steuart, R. CORPORATION PRIVILEGES. A numerous meeting of the members of the Common Coun cil was held on Monday, in the Council Chamber, for the pur pose of considering the best course to be adopted with a view to proceeding with the general business of the Court, reser , Mg for that purpose the several questions now depending as to the privileges of the Court, or its members, to some future occasion. Vincent Figgins, Esq., in the Chair. Mr. \VIRE moved, and Mr. Jeer seconded, the following resolution : " That in the opinion of this meeting, the right claimed by the Lord Mayor of refusing to put a question when duly made and seconded in the Court of Common Council, unless he concurs in the fitness and propriety of such question, is un warranted by the c o n s tit u t ion and practice of that Court, and ought to be resisted by its members; but as the Lord Mayor has the power, de facto, of preventing the formation of a Court, and persists in using that power to sustain the right in question, this meetin , * taking into its consideration the se rious obstruction tti the other public business which the Lord Mayor has thereby created, is of opinion that it will be ex pedient to adjourn the further consideration of the several questions of privilege now depending in the Court until the first Court after the 9th day of November next, this meeting declaring most unequivocally that, in so doing, it does not intend in any manner to compromise any of the important questions of privilege now depending, but only to postpone the consideration of them to a more favourable period." Several amendments were then put and negatived, re commending that the questions of privilege should be urged as hitherto, &c. ; and Mr. Wire's original resolution was car ried by a considerable majority. Mr. WIRE then moved, and Mr. JUPP seconded, the follow• ing resolution, and it was unanimously adopted : " That Mr. Pritchard, the mover of the questions of pri vilege, be respectfully requested not to press his motions on those subjects until after the 9th of November next, in con formity to the preceding resolution." Mr. PRITCHARD having signified his acquiescence in the wish expressed, and his intention of acting upon it at the expected Court on Thursday next, thanks were voted to the Chairman, the resolutions were directed to be advertised , and the meeting broke up. ORIGIN OF THE HAMBURG BURGER GUARD. The Hamburg Burger Guard, notwithstanding their want of skill in shooting., form a valuable institution ; and, connected as it is with recollections of a highly honourable kind, it is one to which the people are attached. Its origin dates back to 1813, when the ruffian Davoust introduced a French army into Hamburg, and without the least remorse expelled a large pro portion of the inhabitants from the city, in order that he might have no extra mouths to feed during the siege which he Ives aware he would have to sustain from the allied army. A Han? burg gentleman of spirit and some pecuniary means, of the name of Mettlerkamp, prevailed upon a number of young men thus expelled to form themselves into a free corps under his command, and being joined by many recruits from the sister cities Lubeck and Bremen, he called his corps the Hanseatic Burgher Guard, and assumed for himself the title of Colonel' The exclusive obje c t w hi c h M ett l er k amp proposed to himself was the liberation of the three Hanse towns, and his military operations were therefore confined to the immediate vicinity of the three cities. His conduct at the head of his corps was 5 0 exemplary that th e E ng li s h G overnment commissioned their agent in Hanover to prevail on him to enter the English se!- vice. The offer made to him with this view was to attach his corps to the German Legion, to confirm his own rank of Co - lonel, and to secure to himself and his officers, after the war should be over, the half-pay of their respective nominal ap pointments, with the fair chance of promotion, &c. Mettler kamp's officers were in raptures at the offer, and he himself must, no doubt, have had a hard struggle before he could make up his mind to decline it. But he did decline it. His reply was, that he had pers ua d e d a num b er o f hi s townsmen to join under his command, for the purpose of co-operating in the li beration of their native city, and he was resolved that he would not be the instrument of converting such men into foreig° mercenaries. The regular siege of Hamburg commenced soon afterwards, and Mettlerkamp, at the head of his little corps consisting of about 1,500 men, hastened to partake in the glori, and the dange rs o f th e s i ege . H ere he again distinguished himself. On one occasion, in particular, he succeeded in sur prising a French detachment stationed in one of the dykes; and though Davoust, aware of the importance of the position to the besieging army, im:nediately brought the whole of his available force to bear upon the one point, Mettlerkamp boldly maintained the ground he had gained until a Russian detach ment arrived to his support. When the siege was over, and Hamburg was finally evacu ated by the French, the compliment was paid to the Hanseatic Burgher Guard of placing them at the bead of the allied troops that entered Hamburg. Mettlerkamp immediately deposited his colours in the principal church, and resigned the command, of the corp s , h av i ng now accomp li shed the task which he had originally proposed to himself; and though offers equally fa vourable to those previously made by England were now made him by Russia, he declined these also, and 10 1- nounced his deter m i na ti on t o return to t h at pr i vacy from which the misfortunes of his native city had alone drawn him. Th e corps was not, however, allowed to be broken up, but becaale members of the present Burgher Guard of Hamburg, of which every male inhabitant between the ages of 18 and 35 is obliged to become a member. POWER OF THE SCREW.—There is a sere►►-dock in New York, at which a ship weighing 200 tons can be raised a height of two feet in 30 minutes by the power of only 50 Men applied to the screws.—Mechanics' Magazine. PUBLICANS' NAMES.—In the neighbourhood of Smithfield is a public house kept by Mr. Chance, who pur chases his beer of Hazard and Co. At Hammersmith Mr. Bacchus supplies the votaries of his namesake with wine ; while in Welbeck•street, Mr. Alehouse is in the ale house line• MARCH OF HAY-MAKING.--A party of bar makers were, on Friday last, seen proceeding to their mirk through Monk Bar, Yorkshire, in a hackney-coach, with their forks and rakes extended from the windows at either side l (ADVERTISEMENT.)—T. COX SAVORY, Goldsmith , &c., 47, Cornhill, London, i n f orms the Public, th a t h e o ffers SILVER WATCHES, on the celebrated PATENT LEVER CONSTRUCTION, (the most accurate on which a watch call be made) for SIX GUINEAS EACH, with all the latest jai' provements, i. e. the detached escapement, jewelled in four holes, capped, hand to mark the seconds, hard enamelled dial, and maiir taming power to continue (=cling while wi n di ng up. N.B. If in Hunting ' Cases, 10s. 6d. extra.—Second-ban d Watches purchased in exchange. _ B IR TIIS. On the 28th inst., at Earl's-court, the lady of Sir John Osborn , Bart., of a daughter. On the 26th inst., at Alderley, Gloucestershire, the lady of Robert B. Hale, Esq., of a son. On the 26th inst., at Shalford House, Guildford, Mrs. Austen' of a (laughter. On the 27th inst., at Hadley-house, Hadley, Mrs. Page, of a son• On the 25th inst., at the Ivy-house, Bawtry, Yorksh►re, the lady of Edward Gilbert, Esq., of a son. On the 26th inst., at Ludlow, the lady of Allen J. Nightingale , Esq., Assistant-Commissary-General, of a daughter. On the 21st inst., at Springhill, the lady of James Forster, Esq•' of a son. 111:1 RR I D. On the 2th inst., at St. Luke's, Old-street, Mr. T. T. Taylor' of Finsbury-terrace, solicitor, to Mrs. Eliza Gill, of Spring-place► Kentish-town. On the 28th inst., at St. Mark's, Kennington, Darnton Green' wood, Esq., of Cl a ph am - common, surgeon, to Miss Eliza 1391 1 , Park-place, Stockwell. - On the 28th inst., at High Wycombe, Bucks, Charles /Melting, Esq., of Holborn. hill, to Charlotte Spencer, eldest daughter of tbo Rev. John Charles Williams, A.M., of the former place. On the 29th inst., at St. George's, Hanover-square, John Fre derick Bailli e , E sq ., secon d son of the late Evan Baillie, Esq ., o f Dochfour, formerly M.P. for Bristol, to Anne, daughter heiress of the late Colonel John Baillie, of Leys, M.P. On the 28th inst., at the Cathedral, Lichfield, the Rev. Georg e , Hamilton, A.M., Fellow of King's College, Cambridge, and lilt" nister of Christ's Church, Bloomsbury, to Lucy, daughter of Henri Chinn, Esq., of Lichfield-close. On the 28th inst., at St. Andrew's, Holborn, Mr. Richa rd Dickins, only so n o f J o h n Di c ki ns, Esq., Stoney Stratford, 1311 69 ' to Esther, second daughter of Mr. Thos. Bennett, of Botolph- 106 On the 28th inst.., at West Hackney Church, Mr. Alfred Ilfeeff' of Muswell-hill, Hornsey, to Mary Anne, eldest daughter of W" liam Coleman, Esq., of Boulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire. DIED. On the 23th ult., Walter Blackbu rn e, E sq ., o f th e Bengal Civil Service. On the 27th inst., at Chcshunt, John Westly, Esq., late of St. Pctersburgh, in his 85th year. On the 27th inst , at Aston Tirrold, Berks, Joseph Harriss, Esq . ' late of Broadwall, Blackfriars, Surrey. of On the 26th i ns t., a t L eam i ng t on , Eli za W yatt, daug hter John Hall, Esq., of Swanbourne, Bucks, aged 11 years and 6 mont; Lately, at Bart on , M rs . A nn Hill, w ife of Mr. Thomas 01 watchmaker, aged 41. On the 28th inst., at Chatham Dock-y ar d, L a d y Gordon, vf if° of Captain Supe r i n t en d en t Sir James A. Gordon, 1.C.8. On the 28th inst., Mary, wife of John Frankham, Esq., of nr•l'' ton-hill. On the 23d inst., in Brewer-street, Golden-square ; Daniel roe,,Y ij Davies, Esq., surgeon, of Werndrevy, i n th e p ar i s h o f AbergvripP Carmarthcnshire. On the 29th inst., at Montpellier-square, Brompton, Theo° Ives, Esq., formerly of Chobham, Surrey, surgeon, aged 41 On the 18th i ns t., age d 85, M r. N athan i el Brownell,f;ther of Mr. J. Brownell, treasurer and box-keeper of the Bath Theatre: On the 22d inst., aged 9), M r. H ug h H ug h es, f at h er ' o f the 161 . Mr. Hughes, Carnarvon. On the 4th inst., a t St. H e li er ' s, i n h er 72d year, A nn , relict Of -- the late P. Guille, Esq., of St. Ouen's• • London : Printed and Published by MURDO YOUNG, of 141. 112, Strand, at The Sun Office, No. 11a, Strand, in the coup/ of Middlesex. eth er to H MIN Rk? ib it LEAI .., 431 air • t.NA resti ni E most XT 1.00; fro m oth er 'neon BEAI tenth vithm branc 4 yolk* from Pgrpoi CM.) 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