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they wee tU make; being in full - posgession -of eßch other's sentiments upon the ,subject of - , • M ; Illite1 - Cre written by theni as con ta'ui,ng the sul:st-tnee of.their respective commu- Lie!-tions ; Arf. .can in Lord Liver- Tuqsence ; that - of Lord Wellesley imme diniely after hi return from Lord Grey. ne,re does not appear. to Lord Wellesky and . 31r. Cc:l - mint!: to be any su'Lmtantial ariance in the , • PropOSItIOU. - • Tl - I'2 word " early"' in Mr. Canning's minute , might be exchanged for the word '' immediate," tif;e.d. by 'Lord Wellesley, without in any degree altering 'the - sense : as, with a' motion actually y k k - ndi»g in the House of •CoinntonS, which, (but for the events that have recently, tali,en place) xv - ould have coma on this very day, the object of whichw.as to compel the Executive Government to tatiL.e,the:subject of the Catholic quetion into Consideration, it cannot be necessary to say that Mr. Canning has no vri4. to 'defer that considera ti.n. On the other hand, consideration by the Execrative C x ,,lvernment ;1 the object which it i§ 'Lord WellesleY's intention to recommend ; nor does be Conceive any f4ither Parliamentary pro ceeding to be necessary or practicable this Session than such a,s might be 'sufficient to .insure, either by compulsion upon a hostile administration, or .by pledge from a friendly one, the consideration - of the questiwn during the recess with a view to' its being brought before Parliament by the re :corn' niencla9..on of the Crown, early in. the en- • suing SessiOn. A Committee to inquire into the state of the laws has bees7 ft already negatived in. both Houses this Sessior.. A " conciliatory adjustment" of the claims of the Irish Catholics is the object which Lord Wel lesley mid Mr. Canning have ekivally at heart : and it enters equally into both their views that to lie " conciliatory" that - adjustment must be .so • framed as to embrace the interests and opinions ,of the English CathOlics,—also to obtain the en liencened and deliberate con.sent of the Protest-- al - as of both countries. They,would think any aAiustnieni,very imperfect which, instead of ex tingii=.shing, discontent, only transferred' it from the cathOlic to the Protestant. Bat they concur in entertaining a confident be lief,.th-,it the. great purpose of, sdturing the peace ..of the Empire may .be best answered, not by giv , ing,a.triumph to any one party; but, by reconcil ing all. in the substance of the second proposition, there is no-variance as to any practical and pro spective purpose, though undoubtedly there is, and it is natural there should , be, some as to the past, arising from the difference of Mr. Cauning's and Lord Wellesley's respective situations. When. Mr. Canning says, that the Peninsular -war is. to be -carried' on `‘ with the-best means of the (ountry," he . inte,hds the. greatest scale of ex ertion which the _Means of the country may be found capable.of sustaining. • • if Lord Wellesley's expression, " a scale of adequate vigour," may be construed to imply the proposition, that the late exertions of this coun try have nOt been proportionate to the great object of. the war, or have not been duly distributed or apportioned, this proposition- Mr. Canning cer . tmitily does not intend either to affirm; or to deny; because, not having been in the Govern nieni during the last two Years, he has not suffi ci, information- to be able to pronounce an opinion, whether the exertions of those two years have or have not been below the . proper scale, or have been well or ill administered ; nor bow far they may now admit of being extended or more judiciously, applied. He tc4eur.-4,.however, entirely with Lord Wel lesley, in to extend them to the utmost power of the country, and to apply them in the manner best calculated•to answer their end. . • "(Signed). • :WELLESLEY. = GEORGE CANNING. I;3.—Letter from Lord Grey to Lord Wellesley, dated • I'ortman-square, May 29,1812. MY LORD, I had last-night the, honour of receiving your Lordship's letter, inaosing a paper explanatory of the difference which I had remarked between' yourLOasnip's minute and Mr. Canning's, toge ther with 'a4opy of the latter. I beg your, Lordship ,to he assured that in the oliServAtion to which I had . tlibught it. necessary to call , your Ldrdship's attention, I could have ne object but that of preventing the possibility of any future misunderstanding. We had riot enter ed into any explanation, which, under the circum- , stances Of the moment, would perhaps have been yretnature, of the details of conduct'necessary to. to-give effect to the first of the propositions offer v(i by your Lordship as,the.basis of a new Admi niqratiorr. FrOm the differenee,of the terms used by Mr. Canning in stating that proposition, 1 was upprehensive thatit might he his opinion, in con- CtitreliCe with. your Lordship's, that no • Parlia-. mentary proceedings, with reference to the claims: of the Catholics, should take place during the pre , ent ,Tirsuch an opinion I could not Lace assented ; and I felt it to be due both to your Lordship and. Mr. Canning, 'immediately to, draw your attention to a point on which it was so de sirable that there-should be a. clear understanding' between us. I hope it is unnecessary -for me to state; that 1 can look at.the situations 'of the Catholics '(both Irish and English) with nn other view than that of the public interest; and that nothing cair..be f irther - from my disposition, or my intention, in a matter •of sayh pre-eniinent importance, than to give o:,e F-Ji-y a triumph at the exp(mce.of ,another. ~tut io not conceive, that the repeal of the disabilitie§ of ivhich the CathOlies complain, can - . give any just. cause for' discontent to their Protestant fellow-subjects and. I am • strongly. -of opinion, that the. efficacy - of that measure must in a great deg Tee depend on its, b e in carried into - - effect with the least posSible delay, and with the clearest de'uonstrations of a concili a:i.,:ry-and 'Conading spirit. Under this impression I should very reluctknAy abandon the hope of pa.3,idg a Bill for such a repeat, even 'during• the present Session ; but if this : , cannot be done, I No. 17.--Letter from Lords Grey and tirenvilic to Lord Wei- r Lesley, CoinelfOrd-gouse, June 3, iblZ. MY Loßo, We have considered with the most serious at tention the minute which we have had the honour to receive from your Lordship . ; and we have com municated it to such of our Friends as we have had an opportunity of consulting. On occasion of a, proposal made to us under the authority of his Royal. Highness the Princeßegent; we wish to renew, in the most solemn manner, the declaration of our unfeigned desire to have fa-' cilitated, as far as was in- our power, the means 'of,giving effect to the.. ate Vote of the. House of Commons, and of averting, the imminent and MT paralleled dangers of the country.' No sense of. the 'public distress, and difficulty--no per4onal feel ings of whatever description, would have pre \ vented - us, under such Circumstances, from ac cepting; with dutiful submission, any situations in which we could.bave hoped to serve his Royal Highness usefully and lumourably 'but it appears to us, on the most dispassionate .reflection, that the proposal stated' by your Lordship cannot jus tify, any such. expectation. .. We are invited, not to discuss with your Lord ;ship, or With any other public men, according to the,usual practice in such cases, the various: and important considerations, both of Measures, and of arrangements, which belong to the formation of a iltw' Government, in all its branches; but to recommend to his Royal Highness' a nurnber limit edby previous stipulation,'of persons, willing to be included in a Cabinet;of which the outlines' are already definitively arranged,. To this proposal we . could not accede without the sacrifice-of the very object which the House of CommonS has recommended—the forination of a strong and efficient Government. • We enter not into the examination of the rein • tive proportions, or of the particular arrange onents, which it has, been judged necessary thus previously_to establish. It is to the principle of LONDON: Printed by THOMAS WOOD, of N 0.35, Maiden-lane, Covent-garden; and Published by WILLIAM ARMIGER SCRIPPS, South Molton Grosvenor-spiare l At the SITN,OkFICE, No. 112, Strand, where ildcertiso.n.ents, Orders for the Parer, Lett,-;74 for the Editor, etc, (putt petid), 111 . 113 t addressed. hold it to be inditpennable, ttat th tno - A distiriet and authentic pledge should be given of the inten tion, both of the Executive Governmt..at and of Parliament, to take this matter up as one of the tirWineasnics of the next. To a prleeeding - of thisqature, from The Paper signed by your Lord ship and Mr..Canning,l. am led to hop', that you would not lie averse. As. to the second proposition, the difference which I had observed tva'_ unrch less :important. — It is impossible to reduce a question Of this nature to :117:y fixed principle. Whatever we can say, with our pout means of information, must necessa rily be kenieral and inconclusive, the whole sub ject beiog left open tb future cons:lerdtion and dec..i , jou. I can lave no hesitation in subscribing to the proposition, that, if it shall be, found- ex pedient to continue the exertions we are now making in the Peninsula, they should be Con ducted in thu manner best calculated to answer their end. -, • I have, I fear, troubled your Lordship much more than is necessary under the circumstances of our present situation ; and I will only add, that if we shoUld be called upon to pursue theSe consi derations in their practical details, it will ,be my most anxious wish, that no difference of - opinion maybe found to e ist between us respecting the con ductto beadoptcdbv a G6vernment equally solid tons for the internal , peace and harmony of the Ent pire; and for the prosecution of militaryoperations in such a mode as.may appear most cOnduave toour ultimate security, Lord Grenville, to whom communicated your Lordship's leiter, and'its closures, desires me to expre.ls his cordial concur rence in this wish. I have the honour to be, With the highest respect, ,My Lord, Your Lordship's very faithful humble servant, • (Signed) Gr.EY. No. 16.—Mirftte ofa communication made by Lord Welleslcy to Lord Grey, at Loi - d Grey'sOuse, June 1, 1312. Lord Wellesley stated, that he had on' that morning received . full authority from the Prince Regent, to form an -Administration under his Royal Highness's commands ; and that he was specially authorised: to communicate with Lords Grey and Grenville on the subject. That his Royal nightieSs entertained no wish to exclude front the proposed Administration, any person Or description of persons; who could unite in the principles on which the Administration was to be founded. ti That the two propositions stated in Lord Wel lesley's minute of May 23d, and subsequently ex plained ifi the letters which had pass : ed between Lord Wellesley and Lord Grey of the:dates of the 27th, 28th, and 29th of May, 1612, *ere intended by hiS Royal Highness to constitute the founda tion of his Administration. - That his Royal Highness had signified his plea sure, that Lord Wellesley should conduct the for matio the Administration in all its branches, and should he First Commissioner of the Treasury; 'and. that 'Lord Moira, . Lord Erskine, and Mr. Canning, should be Members of the Cabinet. That it was ‘pr4 l- Jable that a Cabinet formed on an enlarged basis must be extended to the number_ of 12 or 13 Members. That the Prince Regent wished Lords Grey and Grenville, on the part of their Friends:to recom mend for his . Royal HighnesS's approbation the names of four persons (if the Cabinet should con- 1 sist of twelve), and of five personS (if the Cabinet should consist of thirteen) to be appointed by .his Royal Highness to fill such stations in his Conn ells as might hereafter be arranged. That his Royal Highness left the selection ,of the - names to Lords Grey and Grenville, without any exception, or personal exclusion., That, in Completing the new arrangement, the Prince,Re gent haS granted to Lord Wellesley - the< .entirerli berty to propose, for his Royal Highness's . ap probation, the names of any persons now occu pying stations in his Royal Highness's Councils; or of any other persons. • That if the proposition made to Lords Grey and Grenville should be accepted as the outline of zin arrangenient, all other matters would be discussed with the most anxious solicitude to promote,har-. molly and general accommodation. . / di6utiion anti jealousy Ale We obittl----to the slip posell balance of contending interests, hi a Ca- binet so measured out by.preliminary stiptilatifm. The times imperiously require an Administration united - in principle, -and • strong in Mutual reli ance ; possesing, also the , confiticnce of the Crown, and assured of its support in those healing imeasures which the public safety requires ; and which are necessary .to secure the Government, the opinion and affections of the people . , _ No such hope . is presen i ted to us by this pro ject, which appears to us equally new in practice, and objectionable in principle. ..It tends, as we ,think, to establish within the Cabinet itself, a system of counteraction inconsistent r .with the prosecution of any ,Iniforin and beneficial coarse of policy. _ • -We must, therefore, request permission to de all patiCiPation in a Government consti tuted upon sucli principles ‘: satisfied, as we are, that "the certain: loss of character . which must arise from it to ourselves, could be productive only of disunion and weakness 'in the Administra tion of the public interests. We have - the honour to be, With great respect, &c. (Signed) GREY, '. (Signed) GRENVILLE, .I\ll , DEAF LanD, June 2, IRI2 The answer which you and Lord G . renville have returned to the proposal made, by Lord. Welles ley seems to throw an oblique iinputatiOn upon ire; therefore I entreat, your reconsideration of your Statement as far as : it itin! Convey that ina peachment of a procedure in which 1 was involv ed., You represent the proposition for an arrange ment submitted to you as one calculated to found a Cabinet upon a principle of .counteraction. — When the most 'material of the public objects which Were to be the'immediate grounds of that Cabinei's exertion had been previouslvtinderstood: bet Ween - the parties, I own it.is difficult for nee to comprehend what principle Of CounteractiOn . could be. introduced. if there be. any ambiguity, which does not strike me, in Lord Wellesley's last Taper, surely the construction, Ought to be sought in the antecedent communication ; and I think the basis on Which that communication had an nounced the intended Cabinet to stand vas per fectly clear. With regard to. the indication of certain individnals, I eau assert that it NITS a men- SUlT:adopted through the highest spirit .of fair ness to you and your . Mr, Canning's name Was mentionect, because LOrd 'Wellesley would haVe declined Office Without him ; and it was a frankness to appise yon of it : and Lord Erskine's and mine were stated with a view of sheaving that Lord Wellesley, ,s`o :far - from having any jealousy to maintain a preponderance. in the Cabinet, actually left a majoritito those who had been' accustomed to concur coon most public cinestions ; and he specified Lot,d i ErSkine and Myself, that you rftight see' the nwia l ber sub mitted for your exclusive nominaiiiid was not narrowed by the necessity Of •advertenc.'e to us. The choiceof . au additional Member of the net' left, to you must prove hOw undistingui§hable: we considered our interests and' yours when_this was referred to your 'consideration as - a mere Mat ter of convenience, the - embarrassment of a nu merous Cabinet' being well known. The refer ence'to Memberi of the late Cabinet, or other persons, was always to be coupled with the esta blished point that they were such .es could- coneur in the, principles laid down as the ,f6undation of the protected Ministry ; and the statement was principally dictated by the wish to shew, that no system of exclusion could interfere- with the ,ar rangeinentS which ,the public service might de inand. On the Selection of those persons, I aver, the Opinions of you, Lord Grenville, and the others Whom you might bring forward as Mem bers of the Cabinet, were to operate as fully' as - our,own, andthis was tahethe case also,with re gard to the sub Ordinate offices. The expression that this was to be left to be proposed by Lord Wellesley, was. intended -to proye that his Royal highness did not, even in, the most indirect man ner, sugge:st any one 'of those individuals. 1:: is really hnpcssible that the spirit of fair- MSS Ciri have an carried farther than . hus been the intention in this negociatiou. 1 therefore la inent most deeply that an arrangement so impor tant.for the,interests of the country should go - off upon points whie:li I cannot but think wide: of the 'substance °Utile case. (Signe.cl) Wroasnir -STREET.---IL person, named George Pirillictin Morris, was brought up yesterday ,at:' this Office, and underwent a long examination upon three charges of forgery. The , fii.st was preferred by Mr. Selwyn, an up, bolsterer and, blanket warehouseman in. the LOn don-road, who stated that the prisoner came to his house in the month of junuary last,, and repre sented himself to be a prisoner in the King's Bench pri t ion, hat had the '`. run of the key ; ", or in other words that he. contrived to get out of confinement by bribing the 'gaolers 3 that having about twenty beds in'the Beach, wtlich he was accUstomedito let to different prisoners confinedtherein, he Want ed some blankets., ,Ho had treviously „purchased and paid for about ten pounds worth of goods. — getting this: order the prosecutor went for a,refereuce to the prison, where he was told that the prisoner was the•ricdtest man in the gaol, and that he was worth 30001, Satisfied with this ac count, he suffered thic prisonet6 take about fifty three pounds worth 'of blankets, in payment for which he gave : hirn an acceptance-for 531. of per sons of the name-of Richard Caster and; -Co. Broad-street, Bristol, which te,said W,as it!4 good as the Bank, and that every one in the bill way knew them. He was accordingly prevailed upon to take it, but.- it turned out that no, such per sOns:as Richard Caster and Co. were in existence. When the bill was rettTaed: to him, he went to the prisoner in the Bench ~aid demandcdpayment, but he laughed, at. him, -and said he would be d--1-41 if he Wq - uld pay In , The prosecutor never had -the means of proving by living testimony that no such persons as the prima facie acceptors of the bill were in existence until yesterday, which he sustained by the evidence of a Mrs. Lane,- the, wife of a trades Man in Holborn. The prisoner on this charge ;was coinmitted. ktir -111.11,To"-,T teialtT icgs GILBERT v. 5 r.th iY 6.7KES. lAttedales and Mr. Brougham vv - er2- allo• Ihisfiay 'l , :ard in •trgurnerit in support of the ilule fora new and contendt-3. that I , y no fair con= "sttuction this wager could construed as 111 T~ a tendency to irernoralitv,or contraey to the policy of the .tate. ',.Cht:,bet having been I,l2'de at a time when there va.i a. peace between this country' ftnd •Oranc , ..., it could Ticr be, therefore, conteu(le , li that it war, ilte . z:ti in its formation, and as -..;,c11 might it be said, that a wager on tile life of an/. other crowned head. in rurone.was illegal: Upo:: these grounds, therefore, they submitted that tb WAS' entitled to a new trial. Lord ELEEz.cr.onouon, pronouncing the . judgment of the Court, observed - , .that in confer- ring with 114 bretUrn, he found there v.'its ,sOrne difi'erence of opinion as to the drounds of action,. but uoou the general principle, they' all centir red.with him in thinking that there ought not -.to be. a new granted:in any ease of a. wager Which had an immoral tendencY; acontract i n the.w-a* , of wager whichwent ton :Feet the general policy of thd State was void:There had been a case before histor-d-: ship, and also before Mr. Justice Heath, and after- , wards before Mr. Justice Lawrence, which had not been alluded to by . t.re. Counsel - on either side, which strongly supported this doctrine.—ltwns a. action brought upon a note of hand, given by the . father of a bastard child to the parish-officers - , tel discharge him from the burden of paying the pc-- rish for the maintenance and support of his bas tard Chin, Thew all the Learned Judges con curred with him in opinion that the action was not maintainable, inasmuch as the. giving such notes had an immoral tendency, by inducing the parish officers to be negligent of the trust reposed in them, and exposed the lives of the'children un der their care. In the ease of De Costa v. Jones, 'which was a wager on the se k of . D'Eon, • the Judges would not try the action, because of its im moral and indecent tendency. In the case of :i'sf °lra and Randall, Which was a wager on the decisial of art appeal to the ~rouse Loras, the Cone held, that, if the parties were .in the remotest: de give interested, the wager was void ; but in the present case, when it had been announced year after year, that Buonaparte intended to invade this country, wit). a large .force .collected on the opposite coast,. considering The 'e'vent which theses parties contemplated at the time of making this bet., and looking tothe moral dutieS,tbat ought to bill(' man top an, could the Court far a moment doubt.that this .I"vager had a tendency to the - Most mischiev ous and immoral acts ? When they conteniplatet the various report"..Aat were propagated respect ing the assassination of that personage, should A not be their object to prevent a suspicion that sat'U notions were entertained in this country % 111 could not, therefore, contemplate it ,in any. otht'f Way than as a- noxious wager on both sides 5 tb g one acting On a remote speculation, the 0ti3 41 thinking- it would rot lie consummated so soon: but both appearing to agree that the death woad take place by violet means, and this, must 1 10° been ,the common understanding betwen tbrs: parties. Upon these grounds, therefore, conceiving it t 4 have andminoral tendency, and upon the fuith 4. „ grounds of public policy, the . Court were of - :lion the action was not man'itainahle ; other Judges acquiescing ia: the opinion tat A Lordship,- the Rule for a‘n , :w.',rial was disekrargt No other case of ally public intxrest occurre SMITHFIELD MARKET, .7uNE This - day's Market had a short suPp3 ,- of dl „ feyept kinds of Cattle ; Pork is •dearer ;- Beef W I Lainh are cheaper Mutton:and :,old =L ',M I prices, "and. the "trade `for the inost" very. 'brisk. _ll3e sales in4h e somewhat dull; Straw got up in price -- ; and Clover have in ,priee. The follow ' plice6 and numbers are an accurate ?statement -To sink - the Offal, per Stone of all;. if Beef,,:is. 4d: tifel4. (M. ' Mutton, Ss. 4d. to 6s. ' • . 0 4,. 55. Cid. to 7s. Ed.. Laua), 7s. Od. t -Bs.4d. Pork, 5,i. to Sheep and Lan - )4:750: ' "20p. SMI'THF'IELD 1-lAplAgfc7 ,4 l% Hay, 4L Sl'aw, 21. 10s. to 61. 3s. C,lo , ers 10s. to 71.-ss: CORN-EXCHANGE, .11.7 NE 12.—This day %Are 1 06 not inany fresh arrivals 'of''( :'heat,,ithe supplies PI hand again but inconsiderafile, inotiv second ordinary, the trade fully. at Itjt quotation ley in short supply, and inaintaZns' The late a vanee; Malt likewise ; White Poas4..dull-stae 51 " little fluctuation ; 'Grey; and-Benns \of both so r t' keep their prices ; the arrivals of Oats, _ qr.,antities On h nia and, lcela: tolcnu)le .;,vitla supp-Iy, this article 'also nanielltilly-at! lasi - prices ; 10 at this week's advan.e. - - 1151.1. 113 s. • Fille - 1 Rve, 8a.71:4 - - - 7(7. 3 . +llll, - - - - ;30s. - 7sx. I.3eallA - - - 7f), Tick, Brans - - G 95. 7 51 ' Litta ( 0 !• 1 ) -453.50 F: 64:- r . ;:nd ditto- ditti) - - as - - —-•- , ....----- - BIRTHS.. • Willl'4 ° Idf On 1V, ,, ' , ...., , ,•: —,- 1 ,1 qt., iiinzroy-scitlare, the ,a yo , 14, - .51e , , , ,.. - ..1, .E,q. of a Laughter. ' ' . LA . The ~..:.:,! day, at klillingdon Cottzw. •V . 111 the ~ ,L, 1 Li, 4 eR.CX,- , .r. , of CAptain Hii . dwpn, of 1..13 Ma'Asty's'shlp 0w;2,,u. Gleudose ' of a Son. • - - .. -241 of On. tiir 11th inst. the Lady of Thorna.s WhatoV, 1 " Gra . iton-itreet, of a.Son. • " of / Yesterday, Mis. George. Barclay, of Cadoe-o•-•I)lace, , :li-bOrn child. __.....------- i. . . NIAItRIEE>. it ai At. St. George's Church, (31.,:en-:;q:iare, the Rev.: l* h °- ~ Bedford, Rector of St:licit:Ws, in Worcester, .to Gath.eri:.,; widow of 11.ieutenant-Golouel Mutp...osen, 4. 4 - ‘ f his Dilal e " . 4,, ~ , - • stlll:•Ninient. - sntlie r ' . Oti Thuvsday last, at Sandhurst, in Kent, A. 0 . - t . tee, land, Esq. of Gower-street, Bediord-F',quare, ;0, Char,. 4 l9 , 0 , eldest daghter 'of the Rev. Williank Hussey rector of -4' ~ horst. Ysl' In February last, ztt 1 1 . i,, di Janelro, Tl3.nas Barlier, I.l° I:se of the Bain of Barker aid • March, and . :-.rtri erly of the of Thom 'AS iS.ltreS "icithch and of -Co. Of .Liityn. . n awSif i 0:1 I rida.y.th-I`4 A-- as, of - a --broken h4art, a t in t:.o. Tale of Man, after a tr.iidenee of . near eight ye a r" ' Jolni Alacartney,Bart. aged 63. The sane: day ! at •Flalt , teci, Essex, Miss Mary rla'" elde-t - itaughter of Charles I-14.nburv, - Es.q. of that,place•A*o At Puwnton, air (1 ab , ‘ut. i4O, Mrs.' Blake, widow of tb`• John flake, Eoq. of 1. - .`,..3;:,-street. _____..........." •