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I LWAY COMMITTEES. (YESTERDAY) HOUSE OF LORDS. Room A. VT:FIST conzrtvALL The Chairriu A n (Viscount Torrington) and, the other members of thlL.Committf:e re-assembled to-day at e/:,,ven o'clock. The Committee after hearing some o b ser vations from Mr. Rowe, Counsel against the Bill, decided thAt the preamble was proved. The clauses were then gone tt, totig Oeparated. h seriatim and the Committee Room► C. ZENT :.A.TMOSPIZERIC MINE. The Committee r e-assembled this moniing; the Earl of Devon In the chair. Mr. Schiddo - n and several other witnesses testified generally to the utility ofV.le line, and 3.1 r. Wilkl son, acting chairman of this Company, and one of the directors of the Croydon Company, stated, that a portion of their line had bec'.l used by the Routh-Eastern Company ever since 1842. At this point the - Earl of Devon was caned out of the room to give evidexiee before P.nother Committee, and the proceedings were neces sarily for som time at a stand-still. On the rerarn of the Chairman, Mr. Wir.inson's examination was then resumed, and after hearing /Some far ,her evidence, the Committee adjourned till to•morrow. Room D. VMS.SGO - 41. zuwarnxEs. AnD CAIIVLZSLE. CALZII9ONIBIZT (11137NZPRIES 2.ND LA,ITG•• Imo zavx 23a1INCIIEE). COCKBURN (in continuation from our Afternoon Edition) of yes terday) said—Besides, that branch actually crossed the Caledonian, and hi the history of railway speculation he had never known an instance hi which one line crossed another in the manner proposed in the present case, actually threatening to take away the local traffic which belonged to the company that was thus trenched upon. It 'was stated that the Canobie branch would accommodate an important mineral traffic, and open up a Tat:table coal-field to Dumfries and Carlisle. It had likewise been ,roved in evidence that a considerable amount of the Canobie coal mould go to Carlisle; if so, then, surely, it would be better that the 'mineral traffic to that city should pass over one company's line only, as would be the case with the Caledonian branch ; while, as it re :garded Duintries'aecommodation it could matter nothing whether the 'break between the Nithsdale Company and the Caledonian. took ,place at Annan instead of at Gretna. In regard to the Annan break, ;MR! why it should be favourably considered, he begged strongly to impress the Committee kith the fact, that Annan was originally intended by Mr. Locke to be on the main line, and ?that it had been given up at the time in deference to the Government teornml.ssioners. The Learned Gentleman then proceeded to contrast 'the Crawick branch of the Nithsdale scheme with the Dalmagadder :branch of the Caledonian, the latter of which he showed would, in reality, i.ring Dumfries nine miles nearer to Glasgow, and two miles nearer to Edinburgh, than by the Nithsdale branch ; the same applied to Annan—so that the two most important places in the district would be best accomnuxlated by the Caledonian branch. Smiquhar, a small and unimportant town, was the only place that had an interest in the making of the Crawick branch, that was lot. its connexion with Edinburgh only. The Learned 4 ;entleman 'aaving amplified or the several points adduced in his address, concluded by calling on the Committee to consider fa vourabl the claims which the Caledonian Company preferred to the wh - at least a portion of the district of country south of On tie conclusion of the Learned Gentleman's address a short dis cussion arose as to whether Mr. Sergeant Murphy, who appeared on the petition of Mr. ThoviotS Colebrooke, should be allowed to ad dress th, Committee a;ainet the Bid after Mr. Andrews had made his reply, or whethex he should speak before as to the alleged damagz , the line wou'id do to the property of his client. The room was cir,ared for the decision of the Committee. After as few mirAutes the parties were admitted, when The CitAtam'N said, the Committee were now willing to hear Mr. &rite:int Murphy on the damage that the line would do his client's propc7ty, hy.t they could not admit his making 'a general address after Mr. AndrekYs had concluded. Mr. S genera ,eant MURPHY intimated that, in consideration of that de !le would retire, as he did not think he could better state the L case for the oppositionthan had been done by Mr. Cockburn. - Mr, Neroacws then proceeded to address the ConiMittee in reply. lie mat he would be as brief as possible to the question before the Committee, in doing which he would not go into all the points raised by Mr. Cockburn, many of which were extrinsic to the case. At the beginning they were threatened with great opposition to the case submitted by the promoters—that the district required railway ac commodation ; accordingly they (the Nithsdale elor e pany) b roug ht evidence of the most unexceptionable character:teem the various points along the route of the line, to show that rall'eaty accommodation was imperatively required. An overwhelming weight of tVidence on this head had been adduced, such as not clay to convince their Lordships that a line of railway was required, but also to bring the opponents of Via line into a similar train of mind, as shown by the recent ground they had taken. The - position of the opposition had beeci altered, and now the preraeters were assailed upon new groarele. The Committee was ;tow told that they (the Caledonian) were willine to concede the line from Cumnock to Dumfries, but that, in order to protect 'them, they ought to concede the portion of the Nithsdale saheme t,etween Dumfries and Gretna. At one time this Committee were, told that the Dumfries and Canobie (Caledonian branches) were beater than the southern portion of the southern scheme ; at itwether time they were told that the portion of the Ni ths dale scheme 'between Annan and Gretna, with the Canobie branch, Was Iweesar A ry to the Caledonian. In fact, his Learned Friend did not seem to lonow a hat he wanted. "He talked a great deal of these branehee being necessary to protect the Caledonia:l traffic, but he (Mr. aoulrees) submitted that such was not the fact. The branches woute not afford more protection than the Caledonian now pos sesaeul. wnlie granting this would materially afffict the intagrity and utility of the Nithsdale scheme. The legitimate traffic of the Caledonian line was with the north of Scotland, including the Edinburgh and Glasgow traffic, and that he submitted could not be affected by the Nithsdale line. The Caledonian line would be able to ran mile for mile with any other line in the kingdom, and that, considering the shortness of that In comparison with the Nithsdaie acteme, would be a sufficient pro tection of the Glasgow traffic. Tbei Northern, or the Edinburgh traf fic, it was not asserted would be, affected by the Nitlisdale line, It was said that girl tig the Caledonian the portion of this scheme from Gretna to Annatt would not materially affect the Nithela'e scheme. To that he would reply, that such a ...course would cripple the resources of tte company, and taking away one of the best portions of their scheme, by interfering with the number of trains, they would run, by throwing two manage ments into tau; management of the through traffic in stead of one, and by abstracting a considerable amount of traffic which legitlinately belonged to the Nithsciale scheme. They talked of proteeilon to their interests, but the real object they had had from the beginning e as to deprive the whole valley of the Nith of local aocomniodation, and to force the Ayrshire traffic round by Glasgow, so as to pass them along to the south by the Caledonian line. Thatch ;Yet they hail been defeated in, and now they sought to interpose and to take a portion of the line for which he appeared, so as to pos-ass the key of the country, and to throw difficulties in the way of the Kilmarnock and Ayrshire traffic passing up the Nithstiale line to the south. There was no doubt that if the Nithsdale was stopped at Aimee, that the laithsdale line would not he able to run so many trains through for Kilmarnock, and thus many parties who would pass sooth along the Nithsdale, would, rather than wait five or six hours, be induced to go round by Glasgow and the Caledonian line. This was co doubt their real intention. With regard Vette Canobie branch, en which so much had been said, he would only observe that the Caledonian line had the Wilsontown coal-tied on its route, and in order to benefit the public it was necessary, he submitted, that the two fields should be placed in the hands of diffe rent companies. 'Were they both placed In the liana of the Caledo nian, the intereet of that company Week! be to resirain the accom moutettea of thn Canobie coal-neat, and to force tne other coals, Valet. would use four Unica the length of line compared with the other. The "tilthsilale Company had no such interest, as the Caneble and Sanquhar Mal-fields were equi-distant from f annfriea. Again, the landed proprietors, who were the best judges of the local accommodation required, were in favour of the Nl:h.:dale titmice, and not fir the other. The ground taken by the Cale lonian Company, in the letter of Mr. Hope Johnotone, was en tirety new, had never been submitted in any previous stage of the contest, and the object of it plainly was to throw obstructions in the way of the efficient working of the Nithsdale scheme. The I.earnea Gentleman next addressed hinr , elf to the branches of the Caledonian line, contending that no evidence or reasons whatever avet been given that they would give hotter accommodation to the dietriet mouth of Dumfries thau the Nithaiale scheme. Respecting the Crawiek branch, it haul been urged that It was not required for the traffic that would pass along it, and that it would occasion a greater diatance to Edinburgh and Glasgow than by the Dalma. gadder branch of the Caledotiiim line. To that he would answer, that the Craw ice branch would accommodate the lead mines in that neighbourhood, and supply them with coals from Sanquhar, which Vey so much required; and that as the Nithalale Company vrould,• in order to accommodate the Edinburgh traffic, la ealiged to run trains along this branch, those pas aengera that wished to go to Glasgow would have the opportunity of going along it to the Caledonian at the seine time as the Edinburgh lrittl c, Instunul of beieg obliged to go forward to Kilmarnock, as had been asserted. Tke Learned Gentleman having reviewed the various beads of his geeieral argument, impressing on the minds of the Com mittee that all the land Owners and inhabitants on the route were strongly hi favour of the Mil, and that the Ayrshire Company had Sala& ae. anmegernent to work the line, on the faith of its passing en tire, eoncintlea by calling on the Committee to pass the entire pre ettel of the MI, l'•:rties were then ordered to wUlalraw. After thq 7,h: , ence of abutit an Lou. and a quarter, When the par ties 'were eAltd in, The CliA then 941 the ConunitOo had come to the following TeAoation : "fh,tt Committee were of opinion that the inuking r.f from the Glasgow, Peislej, Kilmarnock, Aml lyt• Railway, near Cumnock, to the C deloniaa Railway, near to the crossing of the river sack, with branches, 'ould be of greet public advantago, and that the Glasgow, num friers. xl Csrlisto Co:npany stuatid be enabled to make the same ~►ittt its hrrotches, excepting that which is described as a ;)rancli front the saint railway, near Springfield, to a proposed railway be tween Iluwick anal Carlisle, ti..ar the Canoble. branch. They are of opinion that Lb.!. oranch, not is necessary to the establishment of railway cotruminication between the districts traversed by the main Dm and the south, the future construction of it May more properly be left open to the Caledonian Company, whose main line, according to the present plea, is crossed by it." The CoMniir.ce then adjourned the comideratlon of the clauses till to-rilurroW, at twelve o'clock. 'EXETER, TZ0 1 7116, AND 11102.CUESTMIt. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Tatu' then proposed lo call the Earl of Devon. The CHAIRMAN, however, gave it as his opinion that there was no necessity whatever for calling the Noble Earl, as he 'supposed it would be only a matter.of opinion upon which he would speak. The Come/Alec all° stated by the Chairman, that Ulm was no necessity fior into the engineering evidence ; they were perfectly ac quainted with the wh , :le line, the various gradients and curves, an.l tunnels, and there was nothing new to be spoken to by Mr. Brunel. Saunders. the secretary to the Great Western Company, was then cane!, who stated that the Great Western Company would be preparel next year to come again before Parliament with their schemes, and they would also be willing to allow the narrow gauge lines to be laid down on their broad gauge lines between Yeovil and Exeter, which could be done with considerable less difficulty and •expense than laying down the broad gauge upon a narrow gauge Lee. Crose-exarolned by Mr. Ilorz —There would be no difficulty at• teadiug the layktg down of the broad g.a.age on the narrow line, pro vi led the wor were of sunletent width. Cross-examined by Mr. llittoraer 2 .l7to trains performed the dis tance as follows: Express trans. from London to Exeter, in 4h. 30m. First class - 5 30 Third class - - 14 15 The express trains did not accommodate the third class passengers, only the first and second classes. The express trains upon the South-Western Railway carried third-class passengers by every train. The examination of this witness concluded the case on behalf of the opposition. Mr. COCKBURN, Q.C., then replied on behalf of the promoters, with his usual ability and perspicuity. He contended that there was no question at ail of the necessity for the construction of this line, from the itry fact that a considerable portion of the scheme was con tended for by the opponents to the Bill, the Great Western Company. Abundant evidence had been adduced before the Committee, and which could have been Increased to an enormous amount of the wishes of the inhabitants from all portions of the line in favour of this scheme. The only difficulty upon any portion of the line was the property of Lord Digby. The clause Inserted for the protection of that Noble man would place them under the necessity of applying to Parlia ment, in another session, for power to make the line in a direction not affecting the property of Lord Digby, should it not he possible - to obtain the consent of the Noble Lord to the passing of the line in its present direction. But neither that clause nor the loss of the • branch to Bridport would be considered as a sufficient reason to pre vent the passing of the Bill, because all the parties who had been ' called on behalf of Lord Digby had admitted that it was practicable to construct that portion of the line so as not to affect the property of the Noble Lord. Mr. Locke had conceded the fact, and his only reason for not taking that line was the increase of expense they had hoped to have avoided, and thought that they might have male some arrangements respecting the passing through the pro perty of that nobleman. They had hitherto been unsuccessful, but n -Aa not without hope that an arrangement would be yet entered Into bctsreen the parties. There was no ground whatever for re ,e,,,"„ the Bill, or for postponing the consideration of it till the next se ,,, h,on. Ira 'would take the liberty of introducing a clause i n the Bill Pr the Till and tothaTtPlientrodi"uteactiiietntheonfasethoet property of Lord Digby, Lord Harborough% property. the Midland Railvvity with s re m fe i r ar ene t : The question then to be consl:l t eLecis c .v r as, who N%aB to have the line betsveen.Exeter had 1 the statien of the promoters of the Bill gave on pe?. sittistnchon .o the inhabit ante of Exeter. proposed to hivo . tes , cons f modation to Topsham and The present lune .wry hughbv by the people of Exeter, Sidineeth, Plum' '" the . e.. ,- nstruction of this and advanta; vrould nfinrced by line far the 71123113 of central cornnunmeatien with tha districts west war d of githter. Th.:. Learned Ceansel concluded a ststech of nearly tw o hours it lang'h. by c.aiihhhuhen tho Corninittee to tenet on the line,s brought hethre them. The room, was.then ordered to be cleared. rpon the parties tieing re-admitted, Th e - cn AtILMAIi said the Committee have come to the resolution to report that the preamlde of the Basingstoke and Salisbury Extension 31,liway is proved with reference to the other two Bills, the London, gatilbary, and yeovil Junction, and the Exeter, -Yeovil, and Dor chester Railways: The Committee intend to report that •they gro of -of inimi that a direct line to Exeter, to London by Salis bury, is dusiragic , but they 0.0 not consider it expedient to pass thole Bias t•s tlr.ir pre_Ecit fthape, V; tOtally nn:txpectcd . by all parties, for-from-the • • •-t Joh Ir , d been thrown out from time to time by the •• •• /1 Subjec tof L.. - Ird thgby's prOperty at Sherborne, the re le 1 rnoqreasonably to eonclnde that a clatpe giving kyle ii:vmAtbAl W lito property of Qat:. uoidcauzi would Llo ier• witted to be inserted in the Bill, and that the lines would be altowed to be made, except as between Mt points to be det , ,,nulned on by the Committee hi the neighbourhood of r isherborno Park. And the opponents to the Bill were equally sur prised by the rejOction of the Bill after the intimations which had been theoVen out by the Committee, that the most cursory glance at the map would be sufficient to convince any person of common sense bf the necessity of those lines as proposed by the promoters or the Bills. The question of a competing line between London and Exeter will be, therefore, by this decision thrown over to the next session, when there is no doubt that the scheme will be again brought under the consideration of the Legislature. The Committee adjourned at four o'clock. Room 11. THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVEN ING, .1014 Y 29, 1846, IMPERIAL PARL tAM EN HOUSE OF LORDS, July 28. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'clock. Messengers from the Commons brought up several Bills, praying their Lordships' concurrence. CHELSEA BRIDGE AND EIVIBANKMENT'BILL. On the motion of Lord CANNING, this Bill was read a third time and passed. The Earl of CLARENDON presented a petition from Mr. Crowder, a solicitor, praying that the Glamorganshire Land Bill be considered in the same position as if a certain non compliance with the standing orders had not been made. BATHS AND WASHHOUSES BILL. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from Joshua and Thomas Watts, the proprietors of the swimming bath., in the Peerless Pool, City-road, against the Baths and Washhouses Bill. Messengt'rs from the Commons brought up several Bills, praying their Lordships' concurrence. The Earl of RADNOR said he thought that the Nob:e and Learned Lord should have inquired into the circumstances of tl e case on the bringing up of the Bill yesterday. Lord BROUGHAM explained. The Bishop of LONDON said he had proved, as fir as it could be proved, that there was a probability of the money on the loan being repaid. When his Noble and Learned Friend looked irto the Bill, though he might think this or that provi sion of the Bill might require modification, he would not throw the weight of his powerful talent• into the scale against the Bill. After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, The Marquis of L ANSDOW NE said the Bill was not be. fore th e House, and when it was, they would avail them selves of any suggestions that might conduce towards the ob jec► of this Bill. Earl GREY thought it was premature to discuss this ques tion at present. EDINDITTLC-3 A:723 GLASGOW AND SCOT. Tzsa cr.NTna.x. JUNCTION The Committee met at eleven o'clock. Present, the Marquis of Westminster (chairman), the Marquis of Hereford, Earl Spencer, Lord Manners, and Lord Seagrave. The whole of the (lay was occupied in hearing evidence with re gard to the traffic likely to accrue upon the formation of these junctions. The particulars were entirely devoid of interest. The Committee adjourned at half-past four o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. GROUP LXVII. The Select Committee appointed to consider the merits of e Bills comprised in this group p re this afternoon at o'clock, Lord Lincoln in the chair. EASTERN COUNTIES (TOTTMNUAIII AND CITY-ROAD EXTENSION). The Committee, after hearing the opposition of the Surrey Grand Junction Canal Company to this project, cleared the room to con- Eider their decision. lining remained a short while in consultation, strangers were re -admitted, when The CHAIRMAN announced that the preamble to the Bill had not been proved This closed the labours of the Committee. GROUP LILX-, This Committee resumed this morning at twelve o'clock, Sir G Clerk in tin chair. nin3MIN .8.17 D EITNISMELMEN. The proceedings of this morning were opened by Mr. AUSTIN, Q.C. saying that he believed it was now his Learned Friend's (Mr. Alex ander) turn to make a speech, or call witnesses in support of the allegations of his clients against the promoters of the Bill. The CHAIRMAN—Are you aware of the circumstances under which, the further consideration of this case was adjourned yesterday ? Mr. AusTirr--Quite so, sir. The CHAIRMAN—It was in consequence of the request of Mr. Ser geant Murphy, in order to afford him time either to rebut or to ex plain certain evidence that had been laid before the Committee by the opponents of the Bill. Mr. AUSTIN—Just SO, sir ; and of course that prorogation took place in order that he might go and consult about the matter. lam afraid, sir, that, although there seems to be nothing whatever that is attachable to the directors in this case —I am afraid, nevertheless, in consequence of the evidence that was brought forward with respect to Mr. Hemming, that if we were to go on with this Bill we should be wasting a great deal of your time and our money ; and that the best thing we can do is to submit to a verdict at your hen Is that the preamble is not proved, because I am afraid that there are Parliamentary objections that we cannot get over; and that being so, whatewr may be the merits of the Bill, I think that, for the purpose of saving your time and our money, you should de clare that the preamble is not proved. We communicated with the other side. I will call no further evidence, and will submit to your decision that the preamble of the Bill is not proved. The CuArratAx —Very good. Mr. A trsug—l should tell you that. we permitted the other parties to intpect our books and papers, and they are of opinion that the directors have not been guilty of any fraud with respect to the sale of shares. Mr, ALEXANDER, Q.C., said that the only step now to be take: therefore, was to declare that the preamble of the Bill had not been proved. The works of the company had certainly been inspected, and it was evident that no blame was attachable to the directors, but he was, at the same time, bound to state this, that it was now proved that the charges which the Learned Sergeant (Mr. Murphy) hal made against him, and those who appeared with him, viz., that their opposition was prompted merely by a desire to delay the pass ing of the Bill, were entirely groundless. Mr. AnsTlN—lt has so turned up. Mr. Murata—lt has so turned up! The room was then cleared. On our re-admission after the lapse of a few minutes, The CHAIRMAN said, the Committee have directed me to inform the parties that they have come to the resolution that the preamble of this Bill has not been proved to their satisfaction ; and they have deQired me further to state, that the Committee feel It to be their duty to make a special report to the House; informing them that they have made inquiry into the matter of those petit ons from certain shareholders in the Company which were referred by them to the, Committee, and that they have to state to the House that the fa c ts which have been divulged in the course of the inquiry have satisfied them that the allegations have been proved. Mr. Moraine—Perhaps the Committee will allow me to state this, " ' ' that the books of the company have been submitted to our inspec tion, and we have satistleourseives that as far as the directors of the company arc concerned, there is no ground whatever for im puting any f , auds to them. The CuAtunAsr—Of course we shall state in our report nothing further than what appears on the evidence. DI73LIN AND SA.NDYWCOUNT ATYCOS- PEERICs This part-heard case was then proceeded with by Mr. LE FANCE, assistant engineer of the line being examined by MT. MALLEY, 31r. BLACKERTON, the other assistant engineer, was next examined by Mr. CuFack, and cross-examined by Mr. Murphy, Q.C. (who up. peared for the Grand Canal Company), after which Mr. Sergeant MURPHY said that this closed the case of the pro moters. Mr. Muapny then saki that it was impossible for the Bill to pro ceed consistently with the orders of Parliament. By one of the sess!onal orders it was requisite that the consent of the Board of Admiralty should be. obtained to the improvement of all harbours, dorke, &e., but the promoters had not obtained any such consent. Mr. Sergeant MURPHY said that that could be done without delay, and insisted that that objection should not be fatal to the Bill. He knew of a similar objection being raised against the passing of a railway Bill. - - The CHAIRMAN said that the Committee would allow the pro moters an opportunity to obtain the necessary consent. Mr. Mummy said that he had another objection, and that was, copies of the plans, &c., had not been laid before the Board of Ad miralty. After a brief discussion, time was also granted to the promoters of the Bill to do this. Mr. MuaPnv then said that he had still another objection, which he felt confident must be taken to be fatal to the Bill. The objection was, that part of the land which the promoters soaght for had ac tuolly been granted to the proprietors of the Dublin and Kingstown Railway this very session, as would be proved by Mr. Brunel, the igincer. Mr. Sergeant MuII:PIM said that that objection could not be taken, because the Dublin and Kingstown Railway Company had not peti tioned against the Bill. That company, he asserted, had inserted a clause into their Bill (which was passed on the 17th instant) with 'power to take part of the line proposed to be taken by this company behind their backs, and without giving them the slightest intanatim of their intention. I.le proposed that the Committee should insert a clause to remove the objection, and report specially to the House the conduct of the Dublin and Kingstown Company, prior to which he hoped the Committee would enter into a full inves tigat on of their proceeding, which was certainly most disgraceful. Mr. MURPIIY submitted that the Committee should permit him to establish his as,:ertion at once. If they did noti be must proceed with the other part of his case, and enter upon the establishment of his assertion afterwards ; but if they allowed him to do so at once, they would save the time of themselves and the public. Mr. Sergeant MURPHY called upon the Committee to abrogate the, clause referred to in the Dublin andKingstOwn Railway 13111—a most disgraceful fraud bad been committed upon their clients behind their backs. The Committee said that they would enter into the inquiry as to whether the land in question had been assigned to the Dublin and Kingstown Railway Company, and if it turned out that it had been, of course it would be impossible to assign it to this company also. Mr. Munent said that he would be able by evidence to prove that the land had been granted to the Dublin and Kingstown Railway Company, and to disprove the charge of fraud which had been so elaborately thrown out by his Learned Friend. ' Mr. Smith, the Parliamentary agent of the Grand Canal Company was accordingly called to prove the assertion of Mr. Murphy as to the assignment of the land to the Dublin and Kingstown Railway Company. Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant MURPIIT—The Grand Canal Com pany had not given him a direct intimation to the effect that they would net be respons!ble for the charges of the opposition which he was perse7ering in against this Bill. He meant to look to them for the payment of his charges. He kad not written to them to know whother they would defray his charges. Mr. Ryan, the director of the Dublin and Kingstown Railway Company, had cer tainly advised with him with respect to his opposition to this Bill, and he had desired hlmto retain counsel. To the CnentmAN—lle had received direct instructions from Mr. M'Mullen, the Secretary of the Grand Canal Company, to oppose this 131 . 1 on their behalf, and he had not received any communication, written or oral, direct or indirect, from the company, recalling those instructions. Mr. Pym, banker, Dublin, one of the largest shareholders in the Grand Canal C'ompany, and projector and treasurer of the Dublin and Kinlstown Railway Company, proved that this company proposed to rim their railway tbrcrigh the point where Mr. Brunel, the engineer of the Dublin and Kingstown Railway Company, proposed to erect their goods' station. To C..lonel PEEL--lie was quite sure that the Dublin and Kings , torn Railway Company had not given notice tothe promoters of till; Bill, of their intention to take that plot of ground, because they did not conceive that their tllting it would form the least barrier to this company constrncting their line ('ross•examired by Mr. Sergeant MURPHY—He was never eon sullel as to the Insertion of the clause referred to. Ile believed that Mr. S.'nith had no direct promise from the Grand Canal Company to reimburse hlm the costs to which he might be put in opposing this sitl. The Committee adjourned at four o'clock till to-morrow, STANDING ORDERS' COMMITTEE. • MOUSE OF LORDS. Lord Shaftesbury took the chair as usual in Room 1 (House of Lords), at three o'clock. CAMERON'S, COALBROOK, STEAM COAL, AND SWANSEA A.ND LOUGHOR-RAILWAY. The promoters of this Bill had complied with the standing orders. The Committee came to a final decision as to the MANCHESTER AND SOUTHAMPTON, in which case, it will be remembered, the standing orders were com plied with, except in a reserved point as to the accuracy of the levels. The point in dispute was referred to an independent engineer. This gentleman having given his report to the Committee, their Lordships decided that the standing orders were not complied with, but they were of opinion that the Bill ought to be allowed to proceed. They would, therefore, report that the standing orders ought to be dis pensed with, the expenses of the new survey to be paid by the opponents of the Bill. SELECT COMMITTEE ON MERITS. Their Lordships had before them, in this capacity, a list of seven kills; they d!sposed of the following : GLAIGOW, GARNKIRK, AND COATBRIDGE EXTENSION. The preamble of this Bill was proved. SURREY IRON RAILWAY COMPANY DISSOLVING. The preamble of this Bill was declared to have been proved. -Their Lordships adjourned till to-morrow. DIRECT LONDON AND MAlv.- CHESTER RAILWAY COMPANY (REMING TON'S LINE). A special meeting of the shareholders in this company took place yesterday at the London Tavern, for the purpose of de termining upon the propriety of winding up the affairs of the Company, and deciding whether the dissolution should be deemed an act of bankruptcy on the part of the company. The meeting was convened for twelve o'clock, bat at a quarter to one o'clock there was only one of the directors present, Mr. Bass, and much impatience was manifested on the part of the proprietary. be elected a shareholder, and not in any other caaracter, to At last, Mr. D. W. HARI , EY moved, that Mr. M. Bass, as the chair. The resolution was unanimously carried. A SHAREHOLDER said that he had not seen any advertise ment calling the meeting. The SOLICITOR said that it had been properly advertised in the Gazette and in three London daily papers. Mr. D. W. Harvey, Mr. Boyd, and Mr. Pocock were then appointed scrutineers. A SHAREHOLDER desired to know how many shares had been paid up? The CHAIRMAN—About 51,000, and we shall require about 17,000 shares to constitute a meeting. A SHAREHOLDER desired to know if the Chairman was prepared to lay a statement before the meeting? The CHAIRMAN said that he was not so prepared ; he had been left alone, and he wished to be allowed to state his connexion with the line. He had always avoided any connexion with railways, and it was not until a very late period, and after repeated solicitation, that he consented to join the scheme. When he was elected a member of the committee, it was under the express understanding that he would not be re tilred to attend the meetings in London, but that he would facilitate the line in the country,where his own property lay. But when many of the di rectors had ret ire?' from various causes, and when he had learned the exact state of the affairs of the '"'n1 34,1 3', he then considered that he was bound, as far as a course against which he he N, was able, to set them right. He discovered that a ry . large sum. of money had been paid to the soli citor,that a bill had been file further proceedings. 'the for an account audTrieldsetiatprotested, and took ebareholders were no doubt aware againstall theth e a d n i m re a cto o r f s n on t a b y e i like n. and an action had becnestlitowmasme trusted to them. bill commenced t against comprehensive, hintsef by a shareholder for the considered that Rastrick's Companyution had the deposits. He which became honourable. men, an trl he done everything that they :eittize did not see moneywhich d . been paid to them. He considered that if legal proceedings were taken, the very small sum which remained would not pay one shilling in the pound. With regard to the accounts, be had been very desirous to have obtained them for the shareholders, but he was unable to effect that object. A SHAREHOLDER— What may beabout the balance which remains? CuintmAN—lt is between 7,000/. and 10,0001.—(Hisses.) I regret the smallness of the sum, gentlemen, as much as any of you. Mr. POCOCK moved the dissolution of the Company. The affairs of the Company had been conducted in a most dis graceful and discreditable manner.—(Hear, hear.) When ever he applied for information by letter to the directors he was unattended to, and when he applied person ally at the office, he was met by a little boy who would say, " Really, sir, I know nothing about it." The number of shares Wadi had been allotted were 51,000, and those which ought to have been were 100,0,0. In answer to a que3tinn, The CHAIRMAN said that 42,0001. had been paid to Ras trick's Company. A SHAREHOLDER—For what? (Cries of "Nothing, nuthiug.") Mr. RICHARDSON seconded the resolution, which was unanimously carried. It was also declared that the dissolution should not be taken as an act of bankruptcy. The meeting then separated. WORCESTER, HbREFORD, ROSS, AND GLOUCESTER RAILWAY. A meeting of the shareholders in this project was held yes terday at one o'clock, at the offices 449, West Strand, in terms of the Act 8 and 9 Vict., for the purpose of determining on a dissolution of the Company. Sir R. Price, having taken the chair, called on the Secre tary to read• the advertisement convening the meeting. The following gentlemen were then elected scrutineers— Mr. Avery, of Gloucester; Mr. Stallard and Mr. Peterson, Temple. _ _ Tlie CHAIRMAN read the committee's report, which stated that though the Company had failed on the standing orders, the committe were of opinion that the line would have fully realised all that had been held out in the prospectus; that there was a disposable sum of 61,889/. Bs., and that there would be - a dividend of 1/. 43. per share immediately, and a final dividend when the accounts were made up. The CHAIRMAN afterwards intimated a wish that all pre sent who were interested in the line should wait atter the meeting to see whether they might not retain the ground, with a view of forming a company to make the line. Mr. ONENHAM'asked whether the scheme had not failed through a mistake of the engineer? If so, he thought his accounts ought not to be paid. Mr. BAKER. said that the Company had pressed Mr. Brunel into their service at a time when there was a great push in business, and the mistake was not his, or one for which he was accountable. The mistake was made by a local sur veyor, who was willing to submit his accounts to the revision of any respectable engineer. A PROPRIETOR asked how many shares had been issued, and how many paid upon? The SECRETARY said 50,000 shares had been allotted, and 46,894 had been paid upon, which stares had returned 98,4791. Bs. Mr. HALL put several questions on the accounts, which were read to the meeting in full. After hearing that idr. Brunel was the only engineer whose name had ever appeared in . . . connexion with the scheme, he said it was his oiiinion that Mr. Brunel was responsible for the loss which the Com pany had sustained in consequence of the mistake, and that he was of opinion also that the Company, if the share holders Would be secure, should be dissolved by bankruptcy. -Hear, hear.) The shareholders would, he was sure, look to Mr. Brunel fora return of the money which had been lost in consequence of the gross mistake, a mistake nothing more or less than making the river Severn run up hill—(Laughter.) Mr. AVERY hoped, as the shareholders could not appoint a Committee of their own to examine into the, accounts, such ins. ructions would be given to the gentlemen who had the winding up of the affairs as would impress them with the im perative necessity of looking narrowly into the accounts. Mr. 13akmu felt assured that alltho. e,2n the committ ee were as much inclined as any in the room ro cut down, as far as reasonable, all the accounts. He confessed he was startled at the amoant of the law expenses, which were 15,200/. Mr. ROSE wished to know if the committee would pledge themselves to go before the taxing - master? Mr. BAKER said they were quite willing to go before the master. Mr. ELGIE, the solicitor, said he was known to many in the meeting, and as an honest man he was prepared, and even desirous, to have the accounts investigated before the taxing ma-ter. M r.BODENICAM, (Hereford), adopted Mr. Elgie'd language in reference to' his own accounts. Mr. BAKER moved, and Mr. W. TAYLOR seconded, the resolution that the Company should be dissolved. The motion was put and carried unanhnously. The CHAttotAx moved that this dissolution be without an act of bankruptcy. This was put to the meeting and carried also unanimously. Mr. ROSE moved a vote of thanks to the chairman. Mr. CAMPBELL seconded the motion, which was paned with acclamation. Sir RGBERT PRICE. returned his acknowledgment of the honour and the kindness, and then adjourned the meeting, which throughout was certainly not one of the quietest or most orderly. TUESDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE. LORD CHAMBERLAIN'S OFFICE, JULY 27. Her Royal Highness Princess Helena Augusta Victoria, third daughter of her Most Excellent Majesty and his Royal Highness Prince Albert, was baptised on Saturday last the 25th instant, in the Chapel, within Buckingham Palace; and a detailed account of the ceremonial observed at this solemnity will appear in a Supplementary Gazette. MASTER OF THE HORSE'S-OFFICE, JULY 9. The Queen has been graciously pleased to appoint the Right Honoarable Granville George Earl Granville to be Master of her Majesty's Buck Hounds, in the room of the Right Honourable James Alexander Earl of Rosalyn, re signed. DOWNING-STREET, JULY 28. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Captain Charles Graham and Commander George James Hay, of the Royal Navy, to be Companions of the moat Honourable Military Order of the Bath. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Middlesex. Royal Westminster Regiment of Middlesex Militia—Cap tain it. Cannon to be Major, July 24. Uxbridge Yeomanry Cavalry—Hugh Hammersley, Gent., to be Cornet, July 24. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of Durham. Durham Militia—R. H. S. Jackson, Esq., to be Captain, July 20. WHITEHALL, JULY 23. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Charles James Fox, of the city of Canterbury, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in, the High Court of Chancery. BANKRUPTS. Francis Barber Kettle, horee dealer, Brighton, to surrender Ang. 4, at twelve, and Sept. 4, at one, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall-street; Staniland and Long, Bouverie-street. Walter INl'llowall and Ralph Brown, printers, Pemberton row, Gough-square, City, Aug. 4, at half past twelve, and Sept. 4, at halt past eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Holme and Co., New Inn. Farquhar Macqueen, merchant, Leadenhall-street, Aug. 5 and Sept. 26, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Fol lett,. official assignee, Sambrook -court, Basinghall-street ; Ashurst, Cheapside. Charles Burrows and John Gliddon, brewers, Plymouth, Aug 11 and Sept. 8, at eleven, at the Exeter District Court. ruaman, official assignee, Exeter; Little and Woolcornbe, Devonport ; Stogdon, Exeter; Makinson and Co., Temple. James Evans, silk mercer Bristol, Aug. 11 and S e pt. 8 'at eleven, at the Bristol District Court. Acraman, official assignee, Bristol ; Savery, Clark, and Co., Bristol. John Carlisle, builder, Nest Derby, Aug. 7 and Sept. 4, at eleven, at the Liverpool District Court. Turner, official assignee, Liverpool ; Rogerson, Lincoln's Inn-fields; Davies, Liverpyol. Jutn-Sinith Chadwick, calico printer, Manchester, August 12 and September 2, at twelve, at the Manchester District Court. l'ott, official assignee, Manchester; Johnson, Son, and Weatherall, Temple, London, Blair, Manchester. Edward James Inchley, core dealer, Drayton, Leicester shire, August 15 and September 10, at twelve, at the Bir mingham District Court. Whitmore, official assignee, Birmingham; Rawlings, Market Harborough, James, Bir mingham. _ _ _ \Valiant Inchley, coal dealer, Drayton, Leicestershire, Aug• 15 and Sept. 10, at twelve, at the Birmingham District Court. Bittleson, official assignee, Birmingham ; Rawlins, Market llarborough ; James. Birmingham. James Coates, tailor, Leominster, 11 erefordahire, Aug. 8, at one, dnd•Sept. 8, at twelve, at the Birmingham District Court. Wbittnore, official assignee, Birmingham ; Wood house, Leominster; Bartlett, Birmingham. Alfred William John Mason, builder, Edgbaston, Warwick shire, Aug. 7, at half past ten, and Sept. 1, at ten, at the Birmingham District Court. Christie, official assignee, Bir mingham; Ryland, Birmingham. Thomas Small Smith, carpenter, Wednesbury, Stafford shire, Aug. 7, and Sept. 1, at ten, at the Birmingham District Court. Christie, official assignee, Birmingham; Walker, Wolverhampton. _ _ _ '1 homas Charles Fletcher, glass dealer, Nottingham, Aug. 7, and Sept. 1, at ten, at the Birmingham District Court. Valpy, official assignee, Waterloo-street, Birmingham; Brown, Nottingham; Smith, Birmingham. illiam George Wale Tayler, surgeon, Tywardreath, Cornwall, Aug. 12 and Sept. 9, at eleven, at the Exeter Dis trict Court. Hirtzell. official assignee, Paul-street, Exeter; Coodes and Shilson, St. Austel, Cornwall ; Stogdon, Exeter. [Dividends, &c., in our Next]. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the Landon Yew Price Current of July 28.) StGAL—To-day the market for all kinds of Colonial Sugar pre sented a very dull appearance, and further reduced rates wei• accepted. ItEFIN En.—To-day, although Refined Sugar was offered upon re duced terms, still the home trade operated with maul caution. ittararrius.—There has been little business transacted by private contract in any description, although there are sellers upon further reduced terms. EAST Itinta.—This afternoon Bengal Sugar met with ittle atten tion ;at public sale 2,766 bags were offered, but very small part only sold at rather lower rates. Foarmis.—To-day there was no public sale of sugar the produce of slave labour, but privately more desire was shown to operate in all kinds ; business of moment was however prevented by the stiff rates required. CorFEE..—Th'S afternoon Ceylon coffee met with more attention by private contract, and good ordinary pale native virns sold at 41s to 41s 6d per cwt. Of La Civayra 354 bags were offered at auction, and went upon further reduced terms. SPlatTs.—To-day all kinds of Jamaica Rum were in excellent re quest, and fetched further advanced rates. Leeward Island is wanted, and prices aro looking up. Calcutta wanted, and prices higher. TaA. —At the public sales held to-day there was little desire evinced to operate in any description of Tea, although merchants generally were inclined to make some concession in prices. RICE.—In Bengal of every description an extensive business has been transacted by private contract since this day week, and at prices showing an a.vance on those previously current of 9d to Is per cwt. CLNNAMON.—There has been a much better demand for Ceylon of first quality, and the parcels offered at the quarterly sales were pur chased with eagerness; the quantity brought forward not being large, merchants were enabled to obtain an advance on the rates of the last April sale. Iymoo.'—The quarterly sale of East India was brought to a eon clusloa this afternoon. The quantity for sale was 15,622 chests, of which 4,675 chests were 'withdrawn, and 3,223 bought in, leaving about 8,000 actually sold. TALLOW..—Russiaz is dull of rale on the spot, and not mere than 41s 6d per cwt can be obtained for fine Petersburg Yellow Candle. For delivery in the List three months of the year there are sellers at 41s to 41s 3d per cwt. Home made on the spot, however, has been i❑ excellent request at 40s to 40s 6d nett cash, and the supply is not so large as it was. Other descriptions have been purchased with caution. Mr. Mackenzie of Applecruss has issued an address to the electors of Ross and Cromarty, stating his intention to come forward again, oa Protection principles, as a candidate for the repre scuia;lon of the combined counties, at the next general election. In the meantime, the canvass by the friends of Mr. Matheson of the Lewis is proceeding vigorously, and the Liberals indulge confident hopes of success.— Infyynas: courier. INGENUITY.—Mr. J. I) ,, wding, of Bristol, has, 're understand, manufactured a coffee kettle, capable of boiling water, out of a " mite" of the present coluago, with slateea grains of copper to Ivor% —lam Jamie CORNWALL RAILWAY. ___ ... . Lord BROUG H A II thought that the evidence on this Bill should be printed and produced to the House. Viscount TORRINGTON said he had no objection to the production of the evidence in question. Lord BROUGHAM give notice that on Thursday he would move that the evidence laid before the Cornwall Railway Com mittee be printed. BUILDERS OF DUBLIN. Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from the builders of Dublin complaing of the privileges of the guild of builders in the city of Dublin, and praying their Lordships to establish perfect freedom to all. METROPOLITAN BUILDINGS ACT. Lord LANSDOWNE, in answer to a question by Lord P rtman, said he had seen the First Commissioner of the Woods and F..rests, who had received the Acts yesterday, and had referred them imm diatel to the official referee. NEWCASTLE AND CARLISLE RAILWAY. Lord MONTEAGLE said, that this Company had come to Parliament for an extension of powers. He said, it had been represented to,him that this Company had far exceeded its powers, and expended much more than the capital allowed by law ; that this additional capital had been raised not by the issue of bond .fide shares, but by an invention of the directors, which virtually made it a lean. This was a repre sentation which, if found true, would make that company by no means appear worthy of their Lordships' sanction. He moved that an account be ordered showing the state of that company from year to year. Lord PORTMAN said, as Chairman of the Committee fore which this company had been sent, he felt bound to say that he bad heard nothing of it, although a private letter had been sent him hinting at something of the same kind with what their Lordships had heard. Lord KINNAIRD said, that by the Railway Consolidation Act the Board of Trade should take care that gates and stations were provided when lines passed public roads on the level. CALEDONIAN RAILWAY. _ Lord COLCHESTER presented a petition from the Cale donian Company, praying that, in consequence of the time which had been lost in the Commons, the standing order of the House which fixed the third reading should be set aside, and that that Bill be permitted to pa.s. GAUGE COATMI§SION BILL. The Earl of CLARENDON moved the second reading of the Gauge Commission Bill, in consonance with the resolutions to which their Lordships had unanimously come the other evening. Lord KINNAIRD had intended to oppose the second read ing of this Bill, but as there were to be certain amendments in troduced into it in the Committee, which might possibly obviate his objections, he should refriiin from making those observa tions which he had intended to offer to their Lordships. The Earl of SCARBOROUGH begged to apologise to their Lordships for interfering in this debate, but it appeared from reports which he had received from engineers. that by enlarging the sleepers to sixieen inches, and taking out the chairs, the carriages on the narrow gauge might be very easily adapted f• , r the broad gang- not co•ting. in all pridr.bilitv, more than 307. each. The bridges and tunnels might be al tered with almost proportiona.telv equal facility. After going through the list of accidents which have occurred reiyectively on both the gauzes, the Noble ion said the danger on the narrow gauge was evidently greater. for if they put the centre of gravity ever so little out of its place in turning a corner, the sway, or the unavoidable oscillation, would easily throw a car riage off its basis. The Noble Lord the Chairman of the Com mission had offered no objections to the adoption of the broad gauge. Lord BEAUMONT said that it was evident, from the evidence submitted to the Commissioners, that so far from the decision being in favour of the narrow. gauge, it was quite the reverse. The Commissioners had evidently been of opinion that the brnan gauge was the better of the two, bot a better than either would be one between the two The Noble Earl (the Earl of Clarendon) was moving for nothing more nor less than that the very worst gauge should be adoped for all future railway., with a very few exceptions. He should not move any amendment, but if any Noble Lord would bring forward any motion for postponing this consideration, so that the Noble Earl's suggestions might be properly taken, he would support him. Lord REDESDALE wished to expla'n what he had said on the previous occasion, when these resolutions were adopted. It was hardly the fact that the narrow gauge was the very worst. On the contrary, he would say that it was only bad in the view of those who were advocates for very quick travelling. But there was another class, who looked to the economical working of railways as well as to the rapidity of fransit. The CoMmissioners had not said what was the be , t gauge and in the pres en t s t a t e o f d ar k ness h e s h ou ld be most unwilling that any definite plan should be adopted. He only wished that the great engineers should meet together and give their opinion on what was the best gauge, and he believed that their decision would be nearly unanimous on that point. He further wished that the Great Northern Company would have the courage to come forward and state that they were ready to alter their gauge to the six-feet gauge, which, as the medium, appeared to be the best. Having stated his opinion, he fully trusted that before Parliament met next year something would be done to settle the question finally. He would not oppose the present Bill, but he hoped an uniform gauge would be ultimately adopted. The Earl of CLARENDON did not see how they could get rid of their difficulties on this question. There were up • wards of 2,000 miles construeted on the narrow gauge, and. with the exception of rapidity of transit, he did not agree with the Noble Lord that it was the worst gauge. All the eminent commissioners abroad who had come to this country far the purpose of ascertaining what would be the best gauge for their respective countries, had adopted the narrow gauge, and there was a majority of upwards of forty of the most eminent engi neers of this country in favour of that principle. 'the Com mission also which had sat upon the question had given it as t h••ir opinion that, in the circumstances of the country, it was the best gauge that could be adopted. Lord KINNAIRD said the Noble Lord asked how were they to deal with the matter, but they should recollect that the practicability of altering the gauge had never been inquired into. He would not detain their Lordships further than by alluding to what had been said by the Gauge Commissioners, which was of great importance on the subject. By thie Bill parties, who were anxious to amalgamate with other companies would be prevented doing so, when the principle upon which such amalgamation would be effected would be nullified by this very Act. Lord PORTMAN thought that the adoption of the medium gauge, referred to by the Noble Lord, would necessitate an alteration in the engines, carriages, and rails of every railroad in existence in the country. As an inhabitant of the western portion of England, he was most decidedly in favour of the broad gauge line. Lord CAMOYS thought the alteration of the narrow to an intermediate was the most extensive and the most expensive alteration that could be made. Lord GREY considered that •he present measure was the only one practicable at the present time, to prevent the further spread of the inconvenience of a break of gauge, which every gentleman deprecated. He had heard that several companies in connexion with the narrow gauge bad proposed to purchase the Great Western Extensions, and thus hermetrically seal up the Great Western Railway. Such a mischief as that would be remedied by the passing of the present measure, which would prevent the alteration of the gauge at present laid down upon the railway. He did not consider the present measure as at all to be considered as a permanent measure ; for his own part he would not b e satisfied until the present inconvenience resulting from the break of gauge v. as entirely removed.— ( Cheers.) He thought that the evidence given by Mr. Cubitt before the Commission had been treated too lightly ; so far as he was able to :crm an opinion, i e thought the proposition of an intermediate gauge attended with many advantages. He thought some other mode of settling the business than that of appointing a Commission to inquire into the subject should be adopted; be thought they had had enough already of Com missions. Earl of KINNAIRD said that after the expression of opinions just given by the Noble Earl, he would not oppose the further progress-of the Bill. Earl of SCARBOROUGH made a few remarks which were inaudible in the gallery. The Bill was then read a second time. SMALL DEBTS BILL. The Lord CHANCELLOR presented several petitions 'rom Halifax in favour of the Small Debts Bill. The Lord CHANCELLOR then moved the second reading of the Small Debts Bill. The proposed Bill was founded on the report of a Commission consisting of the present Chief Baron, and Mr. Justice Wightman. In the year 1839 this measure had been introduced, but from the pressure of businers it was not proceeded with. In subsequent years it had been brought forward, but had not received the sanction of the Legislature. In the month of June in the present year, the Bill was again introduced by a member of the late Government. Finding that the Bill was in accordance with the recommendations of the Commission, he had brought the measure forward at the present stage of the session. In the ancient courts, established many years ago, the expense of recovering 40s. was si x pounds ; it was not therefore to be wondered at that those courts in the present day must have fallen into considerable disuse. The present Bill sought to remove those grievances existing under the former Acts in the establishment of local courts, and to remove the jurisdiction from the courts of conscience or requests. He was not able at that time to state the numberof those courts now in existence, or the number of judges or commissioners who pre side over them. It was proposed to limit the present Act to sums not exceeding twenty pounds. The present law courts were totally inadequate to cases where small demands were sought to be recovered. The scheme proposed in the present Bill was to divide the country into districts, and to establish courts in these districts to meet the wants of the people. There would be a considerable number of these districts, and a large number of courts would be necessary. He was happy to say that there would not be so large a number of judges as of courts, because the courts would not require to sit every day; perhaps not more than once a week or a fortnight. He proposed to establish some judge over each district, who would have the-charge of all the cow Is in that district. He did not think they would require more judges than were now in the haLit of presiding over the existing courts: The judges ihould be appointed by the Lord Chancellor or the Secretary of State for the time being. The mode of proceeding before the court would be the same as that contained in all local Bills passed since the report of the Com mission on the stibject. There were a considerable number of clauses in the Bill, which referred to the more minute de tails and working of the principle of the Bill. He thought the weasure calculated to do good, and he trusted the measure would receive the sanction of their Lordships. _ _ The Bill was then read a second time. THE BOOK AND ENGRAVINGS BILL, AND THE • REDEMPTION OF. TITHE _BILL ) Were read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Monday next, WWI L6)1 . 41244 them Ajourue444lllZl4oky. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Ju'y 28. The SPEAKER. took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. LORDS' Ali ENDNI - F,NT. The Lords' stnendments to the following Bills were agreed Birmingham, Wolverhampton, and Dudley Railway. Blackburn, Darwen, and Bolton Railway. Caledonian Hallway ( Glasgow Termini and Branches). Gorbals Gravitation Waterworks. Liverpool and Bury Railway Extensions. London and Birmingham Railway (Coventry to Nuneaton ). London and Birmingham Railway (Weedon to Northampton). Manchester and Leeds Railway Extensions. Midland Railwa3 (Leicester and Swennirgton Alterations and Branches). North Wales Railway. Shrewsbury and Birmingham Railway. Shrewsbury, Wolverhampton, and Soul' Stafford,hire June. tiun Railway (No. I). Strathtay and Breadalbane Railway. Trent Valley, Midlands. and Grand Junction Railway. Wilts, Somerset, and Weymouth Railway. BATHS AND WASHEJOUSES. _ _ Mr. M'CA RTHY pre , ented a petition from Cork, prayir•g that the provisions of the Baths and Washl.ouses Bill might be extended to Ireland. JURORS—(IRELAND.) Lord CLEMEN rs presented a petition from the jurors of the county of Leitrim, coml laining of 'ming so repeatedly called upon to perform the duty of jurors in consequence of the absentees, and praying for an amen iment of the law with real eat to jurors. THIRD READINGS. The Cambeltnwn Harbour, Waterworks, Paving, Lighting, and Watching Bill, and the Tramore Embankment Bill, were read a third time and passed. ColimelFOX presented a petition from Southwark, praying fur the opening, free• of toll, of Waterloo, Southwark, and Vauxhall H; idge.. The report on the Sligo and Shannon Railway was agreed to. THE DUKE OF BRUNSWICK. Mr. HENLEY, seeing the Hon. Member for Finsbury (Mr. T. Duncomhe) in his place, wished to know whether it was his intention to make the motion of which he had given notice fur to-night with respect to his Highness the Duke of Brunswick? Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that it had been his intention to bring forward the motion to-night., hut, in consequence of it being aria-ged that the debate on the Sugar Duties Bill should take precedence• of noticcs of motion, he was afraid tie should not be able to do se. He regretted this ex tremely, as the subject was one of great importance, and he should be unable to bring it forward before this day fortnight, on which day he was afraid the House would be little inclined to appoint a Select Committee toinquire into the allegations con tained in the petition of his Highness the Duke of Brunswick; he had therefore no alternative but to postpone his motion to the earliest. day he could bring it forward next se.sion. OUTRAGE ON BRITISH SUBJECTS. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition — from Thomas Brodigan, Esq , Pilton Howe, County Meath, a magistrate of that county, complaining of the outrage which took place at Jerusalem on Good Friday last, and of the personal eanger to which he, in conjunction with other British subjects, was then exposed (fully detailed in the Correspondence which appeared in the Second Edition of The Sun of the 34 instant), and praying that effectual measures might be adopted by the Government bete which will occa.ion the Sublime Porte to direct its attention to the repressi.tn o' such outrages, and thus protect British travellers in the Ea. t. ARMY ESTIMATES. Captain LAYARD, seeing the Secretary at War in his place, was desirous of knowing when it was his intention to bring forward the army estimates? Mr. FOX MA OLE said if nothing unforseen occurred, it was his intention to bring th ,, m on next Monday. Mr. GEORGE BANKES gave notice that on the third reading of the Poor-law Removal Bill he should propose to add a clause. Mr: STAFFORD O'BRIEN seeing the President of the Board of Trade in his place, wished to ask him whether he should continue to devote as much attention to agricultural statistic's in office as he did out?—( Hear, hear.) Mr. T. M. GIBSON said, in answer to the question of the Hon. Member behind him, he beggedto say that he had reason to belieite from pipers he had seen at the Board of Trade that the subject of agriculture had undergone considerable attention in that department, and so far as himself was concerned he should be most happy to.crntinue his atentionto this subj,ct. COLONIAL LAND SALES. Mr. DIVETT wishe:l to ask the Under Secretary for the Colonies wh-ther it was or was not the intention of the Colonial Office to .anetion the reoolation made on the 3d day of March last, by the Governor of South Australia, respew'ng future land sale, in that. colony, which, accor.iing to the la 4 report of the Colonisation Commissioners, would seem to have been drawn up under the direction of Lord Stanley, and in contravention of the decision of this House upon the Land Bill introducNl he orlor of that Noble Lord ? Mr. HAWES was unders'ood to say that dispatches having rc feience to the subject had not yet arrived at the Coltintal Office, and he iniunt not inform the Hon- urable Gentle man what would be done (aril they arrived. Mr. HOPE sat, , , he might be irregular, but he felt inclined to m .ke one or two ob-ervations on the question which had been asked; and first, on the terms in which she notice had been given. lie found no fault with the first part of that notice, bu when it prnee(ded. " which, accon ink to the last report of t he Colonisation Comm i sioners, viould seem o have been drawn up under the direeion of Lord Stanley, and in - contravention o' the - decision of this House upon the Land Bill introduced by that Noble Lord." Now this, he thougnt, was simply a speech put into the notices, and A speech with out an oppe•tunitt of answering. He submitted that this was a most imp, orer exercise of the privilege of giving notice. But he had to find fault with the question in the substance of it, for it was not. founded in fact. Mr. DI VETT begged rni.rely to say that whether he had acted discreetly or not, the question, in fact, was founded strictly in fact. THE MILITIA. Mr. ACLIONRY wished to put a question to the Right Hon. the Seeretiry at War. He had not, indeed, given notice in the usual way, but as there was a great deal of anxiety prevailing in the country on the subject, and as he knew that many Honourable Members in that House were not aware that a Bill was on the table of the House for the purpose •of suspending the ballot for Militia till October, in the year 1847 ; he wished to ask that Right Hon. Gentleman i it were the intention cf the Government to proceed with that Bill ? Mr. FOX MA ULE sai i that he found a proposition trade by his predecessors with reference to this subject, but, consi dering the late period of the session, and the great importance of the question, the Government were of opinion that the preferable system would be to renew the Bill (as had been done for the last thirte.n or fourteen years) for another year. FLOGGING IN THE ARMY. Mr. B. ESCOTT gave notice that, on Tuesday next, he would move for a return to be laid before the ..louse of the floggings which had been inflicted in the army from the year 1840 to the present time ; the place where the regiment in which such punishment took place was stationed ; the number of Tastes inflicted, and the consequences that followed ; whether if,fl:eted by farriers, drummers, or so forth; and also -copies of the stpgrims' mit,utes, and whether the trials had taken place with closed doors. SAVIVGS' BANKS-COMMISSIONERS OF NATIONAL DEBT. Mr. HUME moved for an account of the number of indivi dual depositors and of charitable institutions and friendly so cieties depoiting their funds in savings' banks, and of the sums deposited, divided into the usual classes, on the 20th day of November, 1845. Account of the amount of principal money received from, and of interest credited to, and of principal and interest money paid to the trustees of savings' banks, distin guishing Great Britain and Ireland, by the National Debt Commissioners, from the 6th day of August, 1817, to the 20th day of May, 1846 ; of the amount of money, prin cipal and interest, due to the trustees by the Commii sionerson the 20,h day of May, 1846; of the securities held by the Commissioners on the '2oth day of May, 1846, and of the value of those securities at the prices of that day (stating such prices), to provide the amount due by the C.immi , rsioners to the trustees 0,1 that day, for principal and interest. Account of the aggregate amount of interest paid and ere-li'ed to the trustees of savings' b inks ( distingui.hiog Great Britain and Ireland) by the Commissioners, and of the aggregate tun-n:0 of interest or dividends receiveu by and due to ine Commi— sioners on the stocks, funds, and Exch , tqiier-bil;s h by them on aecrtunt of the trustees, from the 6 h day of August, 1817, to the 20th day of May, 1846 inclusive; and stating also the difference in amount be tween the amounts so paid and credited and received up to May 20, 1846. Account, stating in detail, the changes which have been made in the Bank Annuities and Exchequer-bills held by the National atbt Commissioners, on accost of the trustees of savings banks, under the authority of the Acts 9 Geo , IV. c. 92, and 3 Win. IV. c. 14 ; showing, in separate co lumns, the dates, description, and extent of each of such changes, and the rates at which the changes were Effected. from May '2O, 1844, to July 5, 1846 (all in continuation of Parlia inentary Paper, NO. 45n, of Session 1844). Mr. HORSMAN wi,hed to give notice that on Friday next he would ask the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department, if it was his intention to call the attentien of the Government to the report of a Lords' Com mittee on railways, and whether it was their intention to adopt the suggestion contained in that report ? THE ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the motion that the order of the day for resuming the adjourned debate be read, • Mr. PHILIP MILES said that he could assure the House that when he moved the adjournment of the debate last night, it was not with a view of protracting the discussion of the question at this late period of the session. It was because he thought that under the circumstances a fair division could not be taken upon it, that he wished to adjourn it, and he knew that it was for the interest of all the parties that the adjourn ment should take place. He assured the Noble Lord that it was not his intention to offer any useless opposition to this Bill, because he did not think it right unnecessarily to protract the business of the House. He could not admit that this measure was to confer a great benefit upon the country, as the Noble Lord had stated, and it was because he considered that this measure would do precisely the reverse; because he considered that tha measure would give great encouragement and stimulus to the slave trade, notwithstanding all that had been said against it, that he was prepared to give his support to -the resolutions moved by his Noble Friend the Member for King's Lynn. He confessed that he was astonished last night to hear the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool—that Noble Lord who moved the celebrated resolution in 1841—now consenting to the pro• posals of her Majesty's Government. He must say that he was not prepared to hear him give the reasons for the vote which he was induced to give, after he had said that he protested streigly against the admission of foreign sugar. He certainly was not prepared to hear that Noble Lord come forward in support of the proposition of the Noble Lord the Member for London.--(Hear, hear.) Neither was he pre pared to hear the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer, certainly in a speech of great ability, tell the House that he was rejoiced to be able from the source of the slave-grown sugar, to receive a large increase to the revenue of the country. The discussion last night turned upon the state of the West India colonies, and it was because he was particularly interested in them, and because he wished to express his opinions as to their condition, that he was unwilling that the House should go to a division on the question last night, before he laid before them what he knew concerning their condition, and what effect this measure would have upon them. From all that he could learn from practical people on this subject, from all that he knew himself on the question, he must say that he thought the effect of this measure would be to throw a vast number of estates out of cultivation.—( Hear, hear.) All those estates which were of a barren soil, and which had not all the advantages of shipping, would be thrown out of cultivation. He would take for an instance the Island of Jamaica. In that island there were, he believed, about 400 estates now in cultivation ; and he wa• assured by a gentleman conversant with the subject, that of thole 150 or 200 would be thrown out of cultivation by this measure. Many of the estates in that island had been lately thrown out of cultivation, and it was a lament able fact, but it was nevertheless true, that in consequence of the want of pro tection which ought to have been shown to the proprietors of estates in that island, the people were in a most wretched con dition. The Noble Lord, the -Member for London, in the opening speech which he made on his question, said that the s; stem of protection was a vicious one, but his (Air. Miles) answer to that question was that the e•mdition of the We.at Indies was in a wretched state at this moment, and the reason that they were so was, because of the casket of the Lzecutive Government. Ho wigied to lay before the House some particulars with respect to some es ates in Jamaica. The iiitinunt of sugar produced in the estates on that island hart greatly decreased during the last few years in consequence of the extreme droeseht, and the want of protection which had been denied to them by tee Government. The estimate for ti.e present year was not less than 800 tons of sugar. Let them take another case, in which an estate, thai before the emancipation of the negroes did not produce 100 hogsheads of sugar, now from the number of estates which that measure had thrown out of cultivation, and the consequent great supply of labour notwithstanding the abolition of slavery, produced 150 hogs heads per annum. Though the soil was of an inferior character, if they had an am pl e supp l y o f labour it would be made three times as valuable as it was before the passing of the Act of Emancipation. Again, if they took the island of Barbed°, s. According to returns which had been placed before the House, it was stated that it had increased its crops since the abolition of slavery, and that wa 'es had risen. The wages were th e same as in Jernaiea, with this differenve—that instead of "paying a fair day's wages for a fair day's work," the la boerers receive.' fer four hours' labour daily the same as was paid in J ama i ca f or seven or eight. There were ample reasons to show that if an adequate supply of labour was given, these estates would do sufficiently well. He thought that this would justify him in stating that which had been said by a gentleman well ac quainted with the West Indian colonies, and had been quoted by the Noble Lord the Member for the city of London—that the West India planters were in the hands of the negroes, instead of the negroes being in the hands of the planters.—. ( Hear, hear.) Such was the opinion of a disinterested man, and one who lad the most extensive experience of the colonies; and that opinion was corroborated by the governors of the different islands. He thought he did not say too much, in affirming that the fault of the colonies not being in so prosperous a condition as they might have been lay not with the planters but with the Government. Give them a supply of labour, and there would be no danger of their estates being uncultivated. He was sorry to hear the Noble Lord say that he would not allow any importarion of labourers from Africa, unless they came from places at which the British flag was flying. He thought there ought to be full liberty for labourers to come from any part, under such guarantee as to personal liberty which the Givernment should think necessary. In Jamaica there was an estate on which there were thirty-two negroce, who tilled the most important situations, and had risen to their present position by their energy and industry. They were declared to be an intelligent and active body of men, and they filled the most important situations for carrying on the various processes on the estate. It was only recently that they had obtained any labour, and what they desired was time to allow it to come into ope ration. Had not the West Indies suffered f rom a very severe drought, the crop would have increased in a greater proportion than in any former year, •by reason of that labour. It was really a very hard case, be cause they had been unfortunate this year, slave labour should be allowed to come into competition with them. But the benefits which the N,ble Lord promised to them did not come up to their expectation. He has told us that molasses and sugar cannot be used in breweries, because the excise have an objection to it. If reforms are to be carried out on the principle of free trade, they ought to adapt the reforms to that principle, and not their reforms to the excise. He could see no reason why they should impose this tax upon the colonies— it was not consistent with a spirit of justice or equity. He thought that he could apply to the iires.•nt state of the coutory he opinion of Lord Metcalfe, who e,eid that the Go vernment were in the bands of the Excise, and not the Ex cise in the hands of the Government. He did not think that the Excise duties should be suffered to remain in their present, condition. He thought the duties should be equalised and levied after the spirits were made, the distillers would then have a protection of Bd. per gallon. He hoped that at a future time the Noble Lord at the head of the Government would turn his attention to the subject and place the duties upon an equality. It was his opinion that emancipation had fully born, out the expectations of the parties. ;le haul visited Louisana and Cuba, and it was hit delibera'e opining that frees labour could compete .wirls sla\iteleb ur. His firm belief was that the present mea-ore if paesed, would have the effect of thr wing estates out of cul tivation, and that it would also give a stimulus to the slave tret ; and if this country encouraged the growth of slave grewn sugar, with what face could they r quest foreign natio,s i o join with them in putting a stop to the edinue 'raffle in elaves ? If the cultivation of sugar were to he increased by 50,00(1 tons, according to the estinia , e of the Noble Lord at the head of the Governmen , , there mu-t, of necessity, be an absolute inere•use et the a- ount of slavery. He remembered having bear ?, s ,nie short time nen, the Right Hon Gentleman, the Member for Eainburgh. de-cribing the misery which resubed from she esteteece of slavery in America. but, he could assure -he Right Hnin. Ger.tleman that the horrors he had de pict,4 fell far short of the misery att'endant upon the African slave trade. lie had once seen a cargo of slaves the (ley after they were landed. a , ,d certainly no considerations of peliey should ever induces him to etienurtge such an abominable system. Tcey were told that I he , people of this c iuntry required cheap sugar, and he con- idered that their desire would he sup slied if there was a considerable redu .tion this year it the price of free labeur sugar—such a reduction he was ready to agree to by suisperting a reduction of the existing duties, and altbou„h he die not speak for the whole West Indi in interest, he was sure they would also consent to a re ductior; and he believed the plameti ns of West. India and of the colonies would yield this country an ample -ripply of free-labour sugar. The Chancellor of the Exotic quer said, in his speech last night, that the Government wished to let in a quantity of sugar, anti to derive a large re venue ;rem the inerea-ed supply. Now, he was surprised to hear the minister of a free couatry like this, boast_ of the revenue which would be derived by encouraging the slave trade, for if the measure propounded by the Government seas passed, slavery would be increased two-fold; but of this he was certain, that if they wished to put a stop to the slavi trade—if they wished to obtain a character for honour and humanity, they must show the world that free was cheaper than slave labour. If they did not do this they would belie the free trade prin ciples which they had ennciated, and show that whilst they boasted of free trade with all the world, they were propagat ing the slave trade. Upwards of 20 Members rose when the Hon. Gentleman re sumed his seat, but they gave way to Mr. P. BORTHWICK, who spoke from the opposition benches, and close to Sir James Graham, said he now had to say one word with respect to the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Taraworth, addressed to the House last night. In the course of this session he had felt it his duty to oppose that Right Hon. Baronet, and he rejoiced at teat moment that that opposition had been successful ; but he did not think that any one in or out of that House considered Best he could speak of that Right Hon. Baronet in any other terms than those of respect, and he truAed he should not, that night, use any language with reference to him which was inconsistent with the high position which he held in that House, and in the councils of her Majesty; but he trusted, notwithstanding his ab-ence from his place at that moment, it might not be held irrelevent to the question before the House. He never in his life listened to a speech—( Here Sir Robert Peel entered the Heuse.) He was glad the Right Hon. Baronet had come into the Huitue.—( Roars of laughter)—as he was -ore he would admit, although he had - accused him of speaki g harshly (I him in his absence, that he had said sweet things of him in his presence. He never, in the course of his life, did hear a speech which, if adopted in that House, and acted on by its individual Members, was so directly calculated to lower the House in the estimation of the country. fhe question before the Hou-e was not one of finance, although it involved finance in its operations. The Right lion. Baronet the Member for Tamworth, looking at the question as one in no smell degree involving their rights, yet declared his intention to vote (however reluctantly) for the measure introduced by the Noble Lord at the head of the Government—anti why? Be cause, six weeks had not yet elapsed since the formation of the Government.—( Hear, hear.) He should like to know what period must expire before an Hon. Member could dare to re cord his honest convictions, or to vwe egaiestethe Gevern• ment, in accord nee with the dictates of his conscience? The Right Hon. learoeet. asked, who were to f irm the next Government ? Was that a fir matter fur the Ittuse to ques tion ? They were ri t sent up to that Hou eto resolve ques• tions of expediency, but to retires( nt those who re•uroed them. in right and justice. on , tich question: as itt he sub. mitred by the Govemine, t. lie was •ure that if that House were—in :veigh,n2 in triers so itniortatit as :hat whieh then occupied their consider ation—to take into act mint what Ministry would follow the present. or whether the present Minister was to be confirmed in his power—if that House To k such a course of condue on any question, it w , oild adopt a mode most fatal to the interes•s of the country. The purpose of the Right Hon. Baronet' speech was tralis,areot ; it was as clear as the noon-clay. Ir was to throw uhfficubies in the way of the formation of any new Government ; n, throw diffi culties in the way of any man, who might encounter the Oat ery cry of this country ; and to which cry the Right Hon. Baronet hail attempted to lend his name—a name than which none was higher in opposition to the principle some ten or fifteen years ego. He should have gone with him, and felt it his duty, as an hum ble follower of his, whatever scruples he might hare about the amount of protection which he asked, whatever difference of opinion in detail he might feel, he should have at mice candidly given his vote in favour of the N,,ble Lord, because he held it to I.e his duty to his party leader to sacrifi c e all questions of detail on which his party might agree. But this was no question of detail or finance. The Noble Lord's reso lution, which he had moved as an amendment to the motion of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, involved two things. First, and of least importance, the commercial question; and secondly, and most important, the question of slavery. The House would admit that in the course taken by the Noble Lord, the Member for Lynn (Lord G. Bentinck) the most earnest and by far the most successful was that part part of his speech in which he represented to the House the horrors of the slave-trade, in which he asserted that, as a British legislator, he could never consent to weigh gold against the blood of his fellow creature; and that the argument of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government was no better than that of the sheep-stealer who argued that, as he was to be hanged, he might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb. He (Mr. Borthwick) asked the indulgence cf the House whilst he entered for a few moments into the considera tion of this question, and an examination of the grounds on which it stood. He thought the House would agree with him that the lamb for which the Noble Lord was wilting to be hanged looked so very like a sheep that it would require all the ingenuity of the most consummate debater to distinguish between them. The Noble Lord had said that he could not bear to weigh gold against tee blood of a fellow creature. That was the popular statement, and it was not more popular than it was just.—(Hear, hear.) He would not consent, therefore, with the Noble Lord to do precisely what he did with regard to measuring the value of the negroes' blood with a standard of gold. The Noble Lord had said, that as long as the duty was at 21s. or 235. per cent. on free grown sugar, he was willing to barter the blood of a negro for the price of forty shilling% The Noble Lord had stated that his ground of opposition to the measure was that it proposed to remove the differential duties, and as long as they were preserved he had no objection to the continuance of slavery. The Noble Lard was distinctly and clearly bound, at all hazards, and against all odds to for bid, upon any terms whatsoever, the introduction into this country . of any production of slave labour. He (Mr. Borthwick) contended that it was impossible to conceive a po sition for a great country more wretchedly humiliating than this—that it should assert that some particular practice, which was contrary to justice and the rights of humanity, should not be put down ; and they would make no sacrafice for the pur pose of removing it ; and its abhorrence of slavery should consist in countenancing a duty of 40s. per cast. on the sugar introduced into their markets.—( Hear.) It appeared from the speech of the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn, that what was a deadly sin at 265. per cwt. was a cardinal virtue at 635. It reminded him of a lady who went o her confessor for absolution. She confessed to hissing erred three times, but her ghostly adviser said he had no absolution for that number of offences, but that if she would commit the offence three times more, so as to make six times, he could grant her absolution. Oa that principle were they consider ng the pe e _ sent question. A great deal had been said about raising sugar by the blood of the negro in Brazil and Cuba, but the Noble Lord the Alember for Lynn stated they would be able to get a supply of 1011,000 tons from the banks of the Ganges. But he wished to know whether there was one eled,ent in slavery in the Brazils that did not exist in the East Indies? One great element of slavery was, a man having property in his fellow man, and this he affirmed existed to as great an extent on the 'peaks of the Gauges as io either the Brazils or Cuba. , Would they use sugar which bad been cultivated with es. the hl!: of men who had been bought?—(A laugh from Sir I.a! 0. Graham.) He hewn to think he was a little dull of aper _atilt, sion in this matter, and that h e w as no t acquainted with .all means of buying and selling. If the Hon. Gentleman en "?e: that all the men on the banks of the Ganges are not bought soli, he would at once assert that all the men in Java 1; 0 ewes were not bought and sold; so the argument wits_ e oe , worth a laugh, and if it was a joke, it was so bad, that h!r ocd not laugh at J t • But if he had any other meaning, bea t e r s" wise to revert to ii, for the) could not say who was bous d t , e sold. H i himself was ne;. ° ." withold h s support from the 17:_ i to be led by any party, not woo red that the Right Hon. Baronet ported to support the Government, haci (bsleiri....nr.d.peeAln),dwhheer I s e opoorr; made a epee heir.) calcu'ated to injure them than anything elseeeti ll ee e rwebre India is steeped to the very lips in slavery, and ( I ."' s slavery force had said that the dwelling-place and the home th e joie§ was in India, and that for centuries before the Wes t , if , her 6 were discovered slavery had been cradled and nurtu re " k ;V. Slavery form e d p ar t o f the religion of Ind:a. He wou' d s t a j ea!' Noble Lord the m em b er f or L ynn w h et h er he believe were those harrowing reports which he had read to the flou'F d e nd not considerably exaggerated by the writer of those hal l o os revolting narratives? He did not vindicate the sla ve to be God forbid that he should. He should deserve,. did; struck to death on the floor on which he stood if "`„ea, but let them look to the southern states of North ilti s d - sle and they would find slavery equally as horrid su n ,ite testable as that denounced by the Noble Lord o Pr en 00 ( He then read limn a book published on the subject an 2 . ,.: ors of the cruelty to which not only male but female OW: e ve' subjected, and that the grossest immorality was ere ° ,, e - e l ise amongst them in order to propagate their race.) TB ° ii lee' also contained an anecdote which he would relate to thes f u ser A gentleman at one of the watering-places became ensl ll : p erb of a young f ema l e s l ave, w h om h e marr i ed, an d carte Wu hies to the f ree states, where he educated her after the Woes of an Engli s h g en tl ewoman. O ne morn i ng an e lderly a of waited upon him, and demanded the woman on the g r°° : , ' bg t her being his sl a ve. H e sa id s h e was wort h a 1 , 000 dollar* i ( 1. P . that he should ha ve h er f or 91 1 0 dollars, which the husbe ud et it He mentioned th e circumstance to his wife, who said s es' not only my mast er , b u t my f at h er ." Thi s was t he state c rier very which they were go i ng t o encourage b y a al"' o eis" duty. He then referred to other Das >ages of the boo k r t , g o/1 stated that the slaves wer e pu n ish e d by being fastene d sr . eft! ' to a stake, so that they could not move, and flogge d d the, spiked instrument, which penetrated into the flesh, a ° tbe ' they in this position received hundreds of lashes e u le ssi naked backs. Now he (Mr. Borthwick) believed thet a s ee of these statements were exaggerated, but he belie! pit; that equal cruelty was inflicted in Cuba and Brazil as iP sc erP sissippi as d Alabama. It was al w ays, h o wever, in the Pr d s sier the sieve to purchase his freedom as soon as he eon iesll sufficient money t o e ff ec t t h e purc h ase . Th e s l a ve °le ire chat.ge his master, an d b e remove d, prov id e d h e were-IWO fed, or prevented from going to church. That state ett mi e ts existed in Cuba and B raz il s , w h ere t h ere were from 2'7, ley' 3,000 free negroes. In Brazils no distinction was Ina — off tween the men of colour, but in South America tbel e . s hif not allowed to be near the whites, nor even to 11 ' 01 , God in the same pew as the white Mat** iol el , the grounds he had stated he must oppose the Ille t p ee the - Noble Lord the Member for Lynn. Unless he cou l eel the House that the st a tements he had made about Jtrearst I Manilla, and the southern states of North ft,, t° le o were false, he bad no right wh l a'tever to ar t es€,S, 3 ( Mr. Borthwick) to vote for the distinction D e r thy slave-grown and free grown sugar. The people °, ele it i c a , country were not permitted to grow tobacco, but ru e '. es forced, for financial purposes, to pay a duty o ef l e s(°°, per cent. on tobacco that was slave-grown. -- t t O P' hear.) Their was scarcely a tropical product bu d cell was produced by slaves driven by the whip alL t atb, plied by the slave trade. He was sorry the Noble e e " e sse; Member for Lynn should have lent himself to such f , ' that now raised, which he believed was only goteAterej hustings' purposes against the ensuing general e is ool ir If they 4ave themselves the patience to examine tire7o, l ee find that their arguments and their position were as fals ru e l tol ii , humanity was genuine and real. But it was pai"; . sor!,, those peaces:es played off upon the people of England, t he , '' rf mere purpose 1). getting up a j)arty cry. If they re' A t o CO' e 'r portanre of setting the slave free. they were boun d loa m out that principle to the fullest extent. They must?: is she use slave grown tobacco, nor use any cif the ',smut''' . ' O , e procuring or manufacturing of whi c h slave-labour wasc'estb,`, they must forego the us of slave•produced luxurie e h s o rl ef. ' t they were mi ere', vegetable, or animal. So 10111° ,d to ra t quo tint.' of slavery, on welch the Noble. Lord seem= ' d his opposition. He (Mr. Borthwick) begged to tell by Iv o , while he trusted to the excitement of popular sruP eo rse,,el respect to the slavery in sugar —a most honourable d t o ~.„ doubt 4.n the sr of the Noble Lord —he was also bol; u the ol i ), on the people of this country to make wee no longef ° prit i es art•cles of dales manufacture. Henceforth, on the ce ser c el, laid dawn by the Noble Lord, we must not use sles t see% fis e cotton, tobacco. &c. We must no longer make use °' Pr the diamonds, the rubies. or the other al tide.% in the P de l e of which chars were employed. He would no long; i „e? 0 . 0 the House on the question of slavery. While he eoff-re _ 0 0! .. with the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn upon the". 0,90; of slavery, he agreed with him most cordially unon th o . i t .a. ''' 14 of protection. He, in conjunction with the Noble n .B I se e , , of opinion that the East and West Indian colonies Sc 7 0 , ,1 1 ' , 9 entitled to much more protection than they for ' is . j iyed. He was of opinion that it was ' out er ,j, benefit of the producer and consumer of• es tell o e all parts that further . protection should be ns ib!e rj e' to our colonists. ( Hear, hear.) Whoever was resrer, e,o, the evils of slavery, he believed that the Indian p!al t . ir coj, free from blame. Wtaen the local legislatures or. tlioo ili , 1 ',,, vies attempted to obtain Acts of Parliament for the se b y f,.'i r , tenance and abolition of the slave trade, they were te,,,,etsoo Legislatute of this country, that the slave-trade vit" u P ess io o be , to the exchequer of this country, and that the q _of t humanity should be put back, a n d t h a t the nuestiljots 4ti' d abolition of the slave trade should be deferred. 13 , ut ' n eseri be s 1 standing all that, the planters of Jamaica Nad u s 7 s ties 0 60,0001 in the course of twelve years for the emasieW e isers o i 17,000 negroes. Notwithstanding their efforts to a ru e d s set I , the condition of the slaves, in consequence of the e a r, e d ell. the British Legislature their wishes had not been carne v ier He felt sure that the Noble Lord would be doi"ig, L a g eec ;: r , g i e : l to the moral and physical condition of there` Pe " a y ad b e ,rutt v an importation of free labour—( Hear, bear , it i, ne w h:cl l , is that when he went into Committee on the resole . had 'pro, osed, he would not abide by the figures rks? 11 . i :r ne d u !i t ! them.—( Hear, hear. ) He trusted that a differf-ne/L1 10.sest of 9s. 3d. would be conti..ued in favour colon'sts. He trusted that the Voble Lord would al", well before he consenteisto remove all protection from i _,,,, ducers of sugar. He was sure that free labour was l es sefi r e '? much cheaper commodity than slave labour, ana; ; "' le o e raging free labour they would undoubtedly lessen , '" l,a degree, the present extent of slavery, and teach a dit , of our Vt i r l s t e ee o of humanity to the world, an .1 free themselves fro ,to cube which would otherwise attach to them, t o std thi The Marquis of GRANBY said he was anxious ote sts be the House the ground on whi c h be s h ou ld give his Y be eirat e s ee present occasion, and he would do so very shortly', jos Oa be believed that the House was prepared to go to a div es °, eiele' t eif question that night.—(Hear, h ar. ) At the Ilatt"' w eil fe srt could not but regret the late period of the session at ~e , ..( 0 great question hart been brought forward for disettse i° ; o er ~. fof heat)—and he regretted that fact in a particular 0 3 ,,s ece sbe r Se hearing the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet the lose! t he Tamworth on the previous evening_( Hear, hear) *oo r of thought it was a speech that certainly was in fa' , $ ) P o t° amendment which his (the Marquis of Graelb9;etie o ss Friend had mov e d. It was a s p eec h aga i ns t anY4S e tie Se the present Government ; but the Right Hon. pa stated, that in consequence of the pr esen t state of p" a ere t se , was enabled to give effect to that speech, and vote ° pr o se , ante with it. At the same time, he wished to sat' t so r o e , vote which he (the Marquis of Granby) was alr u be e s e e' was not in ern:sequence of any hostile feeling which , e s s'''''/ tamed towards the present. Government, but ratb e ` ge ser. e , e 're quenee of the dislike which he had to the present "! 0 007 0 0 ( Hear, hear.) He was obliged to vote against th is o to i eJ upon two grounds— upon the groun d o f proteeli s bell; 01 colonists. and also upon the ground that be (Cri e ' o di this treasure would increase she slave trades .-- e roo, t e " Hear, hear.") He wou d consider those tsvo cco pe,e together, because by so doing he thought be shoal ° t err o r) of the time '.f the House—he sttould consider them t o g re d' et( cause he thought vt that they ,re intimately coo" 1„,/ fo r le could nut he well separeted Protection was neces7j, e -terl colonists in coreequenee of the legislation of that fl u ee of, jb°, gielation which was directed against the continususoie r e slave trede—( Hear, hear, ) lie should like to know,,, 1 6 : 4 0 constituents of this country—whst the nations of ;' O3 ", 1 0 , weeder think of their conduct, if they, who at the t i p is" ell the interests of humeriity and the interests of our co ° ed ifi c e peered to be in opp ei , ion-- . --the, who said that irt thel r o of the interests of humanity must be considered before, P t o -- ( Hear. hear )—and that the interests of Pi o te_rj, smilers of this c ,entry were aga i nst t h a t ro o ' o' d end that they must pay a tax o f 20 t v" ll°' of i to maintain the interests o f humanity—(Hear'for eS —that the same . . partie s s h ou ld now will , ' ° f o 'o and propose that that ver s a" slavery, for the suppreesio".. ° oebi s e so much had been don e , s h ou ld now ; se encouraged a ll „;o0 1 / possible: for that would, in tact. be the result of the Prv i t te ettejt of the Noble Lord at the head of her Majesty's Gover ° , j ito, e k ( Hear, hear.) He would ask them whether the e° tl ; o l . o',/ of this country anti the nations of the world would tiotejor;ie their conduct to lie not merely inconsistent, but most u u ss l ;,ell ( Hear, hear.) For the purpose of making sugar °f o r° jb° penny a pound cheater, they proposed that all the lay, ° l l 0 ej o had been consumed for the extinction of slavery, ", ‘ , S g e re r tt)f 20,000,000/. tax, should be set at nought. The only' el' o eo which he had heard, and which he though e erre' s loe' Ole f of the name, was that because we admitted 0 s e t W p coffee, slave-grown copper, and other articles, we r , ei fore bound in consistency to admit slave-grown sog a ieee ° o o°, he did think that there was a vast difference b i e e -g ° e re production of those articles and the production of t a i l ote' r e' sugar. But that he thought was well known to the ', h at s', 0 he would not trouble the House with dwelling el" `, tlic for ment, but he wt.uld take the opportunity of refereirt'neier tea the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman the 1 ! )e- 0 1 iti t , tV ? Tamworth, delivered last year on the question of sla ve ,e th';aoP manufacture of sugar.— (Hear.) Supposing it vvere tr 4a s ' - 1 1 `; slavery employed in the manufacture of cotton, Bt-ce,'ear's don e in extent to that employed in the manufacture of 5- „eliee eP w co r n o t n e g nd i e n d still that t in h s a t t an th ce e % a y r e g w um er e e n t t o , d th o at w b r e o ca ng us i e n a l iee the ifi r tb o t i 0; the most extraordinary argument that was ever mud s s tep o o' House.—( Hear.) They had often heard that the "'" e oli' - er wrong direction was very bad, but he had never , id desc o o , heard that because we had taken that step we sbte,ordell° the whole flight.--( Hear, hear.) Surely the N°l7ll to s t i t ' not prepared to maintain such an argument as s tel e- o,', people of this country would, however, most certainly d bl o t e The argument of the Noble Lord as to a man 13 , 0 : i" ;Di/ honest neighbour he also held to be equally wrluta Ofreor' s was the strangest argument which be (the Marqu's e r,ble e oh; had ever heard. Was that the conduct which the ei v i s e ~,,e. at the head of the Government was prepared to la,','' to pe' e the most moral and philanthropic country on the ear th oe vie c d eir i He considered that the Noble Lord had failed t ° ,,, by s to ge: House that they would not facilitate the slavestra a be ers ore' ting slave-grown sugar.—(Hear, hear.) It h a ', lied r ile that all their endeavours to repress the slayeetrateet e ee s sc ije , and that they therefore ought to give up flirt: w eigb i dere s a but such an argument he was convinced bad 7 10 O u ter I rd any 'Wernher in that House.—( Hear, hear.) Le Seto e el that after the statement of the N o ble Lord tiT h ilia /v es t ' Lynn, which set forth the in c r e a se d supply wbl e gia osge O s obtain from the East and West Indies, by pro Per , ect ioll• oer e e it became their duty t o g i ve a f ur th er trial to pe?e a , 010' 1 , tb, s 1 et Hon. Member for Evesham had insinuated t u lase er! dy 0 actuated by a desire to get up a cry a g ain t t s d o l . e r e de i r s t t o s t : e t e n e r l i k o c i country ;he was of opinion that a feeling ell emu" is the country against slavery, but he begged an intention which was most incorrectly attribinee ee et - t"'s Mr. OSWALD considered that some se:tr e ; be rinf o 0 question was most earnestly desired, and, rem be be lb. 4 lee eection had been withdrawn from agrie u aw ay ' cl e at to opinion that they should be prepared w do ri°t l' ul :Vsi '' • tection ee every kind , and, therefore, he could _ er.) no to 0! amendment or the Noble Lord.—( Hear, h e _ eistlioolle, ate , prepared, after the country had given twentee eemo elnote e tingutsh slavery, that they should further. t i s t a us t ' e l ess end ` sinbow, rate of two millions sterling annually n . she s t at e t be to affect the fiscal arranement of ether And it was quite a mistake to imagine;hat o 1. 0 ..--... A t t o t e ltr w le ° : bY l t e ;el hat 7•0400017' l o a f t a io in si oo most their t d i,,ti , o g w u n i . s — h e ( d acl bear, ,oo b a e t a e r o . )f the slave, b s.l e a Y_ y_e " .., 9 t eta, 0 had done had riot mitigated the evils _r e tne e 2 st took n age and he was therefore of opition that tby il ir cussoor bui.- -- other way to banish olavoq than then o f ' •