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A COMMON COUNCIL holden in the CHAMBER of thiGUILDHALL of the CITY. of LONDON, on WE NESDAY, the29th day ofjanuary, 1823; - RESOLVED, THAT it appears t o thi s C our t, t h at t h e pre sent enormous Burthens and Distresses of the Country have not arisen from unforeseen or unavoidable causes, but have been' the necessary'result of a long : course of, corrupt in thleneel extravagance, and taisrule,--of Wars, rashly and: un-% . necessarlig undertaken—and of enormous Establishments—a profusion of the Public Money in useless Places and Sine cures—and of an immense Standing Army during eight years of profound Peace, unknown in former times—all which have arisen, and have grown up to their present 'portentous magni tude, from the want of that constitutional contraul which can Only be found in a free and uncorrupted Representation 'of the , People in : Parliament. . N OTICE is hereby given, that the WIDOWS of COMMISSION and WARRANT OFFICERS of the , 401r-Al. NAVY, receiving Pen,ions frora the Charity esta- . bliiheit for their Reliet,4lll be paid, their Pensions, doe the a!stof December last, at Nu. to, New-square, Lincoln's Inn, by Edward Fincb Hatton,Esq. the Paymaster of the Charity, The Widows of Flag-Officers, Superannuated Itear-Ad 7 mirals, Captains, Commanders, Lieutenants, and Masters, on hionday, the int hof next Month; the Widows of Surgeons, rursers, ntal Boatswains, on Tuesday, the l t th Instant ; and the Widows of Gunners and Carpenters, on Wednesday, the )ithlnstant, and on every succeeding Thursday, between the hours of Ten and Twelve. • And Notice is further given, that Remittance Bilk will be sent on the 10th of next Niunth, to those Widows resident, in the Cent►t<try, who have requested to be paid their Pen qionc neztr their respective Residences. _ That a Petition be therefore presestedrothaiiousipof Com mons, praying that they will take all these faets and circlauu stances into their serious consideration, add immediately cause all practicable Reductions to be made in the Public Expendi ture, and adopt such measures as may effectually restore to the Peoile their fair and just share in the Legislature, by a full, fair, and free Representation in Parliament. J. W. CHOKER VICI I I.I-;LLJNG-OFFICE, Jan. 23, 14g;3. T HE. COMMISSIONERS for. V IC7'Uil LING His MAJESTY'S NAVY, 4 . e. do hereby give Noti(e, that on Tuesday, the dth of February next, they will le ready to receive Theders in writing (sealed up), and treat for WOODTITOR PE. NOTICE TO ARTISTS. Fiue Hundred Sachs of KILN DRIED HOUSEHOLD FLOUR. Sia•ty -Tons of NEW OATMEAL; TWO Hundred Quarters Of NEW ENGLISH PEASE ; Two Thousand Sachs oP BISKET MEAL; Fifteen Tons of BUTTER; Thirty Tons of CHEESE; and Thirty Tons of VIRGINIA LEAF TOBACCO, imported in the year I Hi ; To le delivered, into has 31ajesty's Victualling Store* at Deptford, One4ialf in the space of a Fortnight, and the ether Half in - a Fortnight afterwards.. The Condition of the Contracts may he seen at this 41 ) Cce. Each Tender Must specify the; Price in Words at length, and Le delivered befOre One o'Clock an the day appointed, and the Person Whomahes the Tender, or some Person: on has behalf, must attend to answer when called for. . WrlLtEll CLIFTO <V. ALL WORKS intended for the ENSUING EXHIBITION at the ROYAL ACADEMY most he SENT IN on MONDAY, the 7th, or TLIESDAY, : the 6th of APRIL NEXT, after which time none can possibly be rt. ceived. The Regulatioqs necessary to be observed may be obtained at the Royal'Atrademy. • HENRY HOWARD, R.A. Src. SURREY .Tannary 27, 1923. IHE PROPRIETOR:Sand SUBSCRIBERS are respectfnily informed, that Or, CROTCH will com mence a COURSE of 14ECIURES on MUSIC, on FRIDAY, the Stet Instant, at Seven o'clock in the Evening, precisely, and continue them on each anceteding Friday, until com pleted; and That Mr. CUARLES WOODWARD will cumuli ..ce COURSE of LECTURES on ELECTRICITY and PNEU MATICS, on TUESDAY, the 4th of February, and continue then) on each succeeding Tuesday, at the 'sante hour, until completed. KNIGHT SPENCER, Secretary. STRICTURES CURED. B ft new Method the above troublesome Complaint is entirely eradicated (withoutihe use of Bungle 'or Caustic), if not constitutional, whether of long or shot t standing, as well as all weaknesses generally ae comirtilyiog it, and in a short time the whole system is re estahlished, being one of the greatest discoveries ever made. By JoHMLYNCEI, 44, Duke street, St. James's. R6pettahle references will be given, if required..—All Let ters t 9 be post-paid. A)erfect Cure for Bilious Affections and Obstru c ti ons i n the l lowejs. PICTE4I I I.VG-o I,FF 16,E . , January 23, 1843. THE COMMISSIONERS for V KITT 41,- LING His . ISIAJ ES rr s NdPr, 4c. do. hereby Eire Notice, that on Friday, thealst of J'anuary.instant,they will be ready to receive Tenders in writing (scaled vp), and treat for The price `of the Medicine'is Four Pounds. Just published, prise 81.6 d. flYo., the Second Edi t i on of A PRACTICAL TREATISE no 1111,10155. and INFLANININTORY AFFECTIONS, with a 'nese Me that! of Coring strictures ‘.it hunt the use of Bougie or Caustic. With en Appendix on the Diseases of. Women and Children,- By John Lynch, 44, Duke•street, St. James's. Sold ty Win. Crawfort4 124, Cheapside. Four Ilandred Pipes of SPANISH RED WINE, to be /1,•.y. livered pito his Majesty's PfrtztaMug Stores at Dept. ford, Oue.haff ther'eof in the course of Three 3/oaths, and the remainder in Two 3lonths afterwards t One Hundred Thousand Go4tons of WEST INDIA RUM; Fifty Tong of SEW-lILACK SMYRNA RAISINS ; Fifty Ton; of MUSCOVADO SUGAR; Five Dons of NEW EAST INDIA RICK ; Thirty Tans of BRITISH PLANTATICN COCOA ; Ilfaz Rags of NEW KENTISH HOPS; to be delivered into the Stores at .Deptford,,in the spare of One Month ; ./Ind Two, Hundred Quarters of NEW PALE, and One Hundred Quarters of NEW CLOSE-DRIED AMBER ' MALT r to Le also,delivered into the said Stores, One• hell in the space of a Fortnight, and the other Half in a Fortnight:afterwards. The Raisins ? Sagar, Cocoa, Hops, and Malt, to be an swerable to samples to be protlaced with the Tenders. The Conditions of the Contracts may he seen ea this Office. Each Trader must specify the Price in IVords at length, and be delivered lnfore One o'clock on the day appointee!; and the Person who meshes the Tender, or some Person on Ale behalA must attend to answer when called for. 411.1F".1LLER CLIFTON. EAST INDIA HOUSE, Jan. 29, 1 a23. THE . COURT of DIHXCTORS of the • uNn.gp COMPANY 401 MERCHANTS of ENG LAND TRADING to the EAST ESPIES, do hereby give Notio, That the TRANSFER BOOKS of the said COMPANY'S STOCK will be SHUT On TUESDAY the 4th March next, at Throe o'Clock, and 'OPENED again on THURSDAY, the Nib April following. That a QUARTERLY GENERAL COURT of the said Company will .he held at, their House in Leadonhall•street, on WEDNESDAY, the 19th of March next, at Eleven o'Clock in the Forenoon. That a GENERAL COURT of the said Company will be held at their House in Leadenhall•street, on WEDNESDAY, the 9th - April next, from Nine o'Clock in the Morning until Six in the Evening, for the ELECTION of SIX DIREC TORS of the said Company for Four Years. 4nd that the LIST of the MEMBERS of the said Com. Patty will be ready to be delivered at this House, an MON. I ) AY, the 24th of March next. JOSEPH DART, Secretary. On Saturday next.ilt he p ublished , pri ce a s. , No. XIII. of THE RETROSPECTIVE REVIEW ) containing :-.- „, I. The Si c k ness , Heresy, Death, an d B ut ial of William • - •billingstrortl i . 2 . The Memoirs of Philip de entnines. a. Sir A. Weldon's Court arid Character of .fames I. 4. Archhishop Laud's Diary of his Own Life. 6, John Webster': Dramatic Works. 13. Bacon, Comm, S. exc. on the Prolongation of. Life. 7, Life and Adventures of Pater Wilkins. S. f'storge Wither's Shepherd's Hunting. t • The Newgate calendar. 1% Character and Anecdotes of Charles H. I of fortunate coincidence, the last A r ti c l e i s a full and Peek, • tilling Illustration- of the Historical Parts of Perertl or the 1, Pitkilithed by C. Baldwyn, Newgate-street, and IL Trip. 7°lts Old Hond-street, of whom more detailed Ptospectusfs 4 Y be bad on appiication. COURT OF COMMON COUNCIL. court of Common Council was lielttyester- Lay, pursuant to a,flequisition which hail been addressed to the LORD MAYOR, by Mr. Alderman WAITIMANT and others, calling upon him to assembl e such a Court, for the purpose of its taking into consideration the question of Parliamentary Reform. After some ordinary business, of no public interest, had been dispatched, The Lonn -Matron opened the business of the day; but propoied that, before this should be proceeded in 4 the P res id ent and other M em b ers o f t h e Philanthropic Society , should be heard arthe bar in support of their Petition to the Court, pray. ing an abatement of the sum at which the purchase money had been fixed for some freehold ground held by the Society under the City -of London, and 'for the purchase of which the Society hid been some time in treaty. After sonic difficulty, suggested by Mr..Drxow, the pro posal of his Lordship was agreed to, and AIL llosanquet, as President of the Society, accompanied by several other Mem bers of it, appeared at the bar, and addressed th e C ourt at some len g th i n support of the Petition for an abatement of the purchase money. fie relied principally upon the fact that the Society wan one. of publicinterest generally, and of local interest in particular to the Corporation, inasmuch as the ob ject of the ,Society was to diminish the number of criminals in the metropolis. The worthy and respectable Ilentlernan ivas very favourably received by the Court. The further confide. ration of the subject was then poitponed, and thi Court pro. ceeded to the object of the Requisite obje,. nequisition. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. Mr. Alderman WAII'II MAN said, that before he addressed limself to this Court on the subject which had called them to gether, he should b eg to move t h at the ' Resolutione adopted by the Co urt' on the question of Parliamentary Reform in the year 1017, should be read by the Town Clerk. They were read accordingly; and in substance complained of " Extravagance in the Expenditure of Public Money," Sinecures," and " a Standing Army in Time of Peace,' as grievances, and as solely attributable to a want of the proper Representation of the 'People in Parliament. Mr. Alderman Warelisiate proceeded. The proceedings of the Court which had been just read, were part only of a series of proceedings that had been taken by the Court on the same subject for several years ; and showed that the opinion of the Court on that subject had been uniform and steady. The im portance of the subject had, however increased, and appeared to be daily i ncreasing. For his own ' part, he considered that the salvation of the country depended upon the Parliament being reformed. The people had lost the best securities af forded them by the Constitution ; and these securities had been Intended for the preservation of liberties which had been ob tabled by the people, always against the will of their enemies. The subject of Parliamentary Reform admitted of much de clamation; but he should confine himself to a statenient of facts; facts so imporiant and extraordinary that he was happy to know he was not compelled to ask the Court to receive them on his own personal credit. Th e i r trut h ha d b een as, certained by the Committee appointed by tbe Court to take this important subject into consideration ; and to suggest the best means of promoting the wishes of the Court in favour of a Parliamentary Reform. That the country was in a state of unexampled distress it waTunnecessary to prove; indeed, whole Counties had expressed opinions which he should twenty years ago have been actually hooted for uttering. At that time, twenty years ago, the distress of the commercial part of the nation wet' loudly .complained of, and was met by the great landlords,' by a declaration that every thing in general _was very flourishing, and a recommendation to the landlords to practice " patience." The distress then complained of was similar to that' which was now felt by the great landlords themselves. Towards them, however, lie deprecated the ex-. pression of any unkind feeling whatever ; his object was „not to excite irritatiou, but to encourage an union of sentiment and exertion among all classes towards the ateomptiehment of the' great and leditable object. All classes were etrected by public measures in the end, though the scales might, fir a mo ment, be turned in favour of one or other of the great public interests. In answer to the complaints of the people respecting the defective state of the'. representatiOn, they were generally called upon to propose what was called a " specific reroe . dy."— This, he contended, Os perfectly absu r d ;- f or there m ight be so many ditlerent opinions as to the remedy, though all might be agreed upon the grievance, that, no remedy could be de- Videthrpon to thes sahsfattion of ell, without a General Con yention which should appoint a Committee to devise the spe cific remedy. Much had been said, and much inquiry exhaust.. on the subject of the antiquity of Representation, and on the Cgiiestions when andhow it begin. Theseihmeeier were oflittle consequence, and it was of as little whether Representation was perfect or imperf e c t . S uppose , tbr the sake of argument, that they had all c ont i nue d i n a grey of 'slavery until the pre- Ae sent time, was that a r eason that they shotthi remain so? Hus man nature pointed to self-government as a first principle ; and, if the argument of these antiquarians wam good for any thing at nil, it was good for the repression of all improvement.. The troubles of our first Charles. were all caused by his at. tempts to ride forcibly, without a perfect. Parliament; his successor had endeavoured to reach the same ends by means of corruption ; and as for the Revolution, althreigh it set about reeestablishing the rights of the people, it did not do enough. Besides, even had it done so, many changes . had since taken. place, which called f or eorreaponding changes in the represen tation. Many Boroughs hail fallen into decay, and many small towns had since then become extended and populous. Nume rous ode" changes had also arisynflot,g the improvements in eveiSi'brao els of seiettees'afir increase of the' pew. , lotion ; but it really appeared tole 4 maxim among the oppo. ' sets of Parliamentary Retbrm, that the state of the repre sentation was the only thing which was never. to be advanced. The increase of the p opu l at i on hue been immense, for it wase no less than an iron-ease of front seven to twelve millions ; and if Scotland and Ireland were taken into the calculation, it rvditld be no less than twenty-one millions. And was this Vast mass of increase to be unrepresentetit even supposing time, at the • former time, the former numbers were thirly re presented ? .There was an argument urged, by no less a per son that Mr 4' . Canning, again s t the Reformers; us the followi ng question: To what period will y ou re f er , as t h at at which the state of the Representation was complete ?" The answer to this question was, that the Constitution had always altered ac cording to the exigency of the times ; but the increase of the population alone rendered, the present state cf the repeesente r non altogether inadequate for its professed purpose. The case of the Reformers wits therefore completely made out - cm the Inexelnereage of the population . B ut i t was also necessary to consider the effete of influence, which hail increased 'beyond all possible calculation. At the Revolution an enormous na tional debt was neither foreseen nor contemplated. In the reigns of King William the Third anti Queen Anne, the whole amount of the national revenue was not more than two millions annually,. while now the expence of only collecting that re velfue amounted to four millions. This was an enormous source M patronage in the Crown, and considerably weakened what.. ever efficiency would Otherwise remain in the present state of the Representation.—[ The Worthy Alderman here entered in to some calculations, skewing in their result that the present national debt was upwards of 000 millions, and the annual ex penditure 60 millions.l . —Another argument in favour of Par liamentary Reform was to be drawn taint the keeping up . of a large standing army in time of peace. Up on entering into a consideration of this part of the subject_ he had tti express his regret that there was not a fuller attendance of skleznien, es pecially of those who represented the City in . Parliernent, and yet would not obey the instructions of their constituents. If `they would not Obey their instructions liey might at least our. descend to hear their complaints e and the arguments - suggests ed towards a redress of them, They. bad petitheted year after year without redress. Retrenchment, it :was true, had been effected, but none beyond what they had not dared to trust the patience of the people. The Worthy Alderman again alluded to the Standing Artitg. Queen Elizabeth desired that the people should be well eqsed relying on them f or p rotect i on . — We, however, s o f ar front 'this, were passing Acts for breaking • open private dweihng homes, its the dead of night, in search .of arms; and this with 100,000 men to protect us. We were obliged to have an artny to cram blessings down our throats. Anti that army was even cutting down the people at Manehes aer—killing them on the streets of London—and attacking a civil Magistrate in the discharge of ids thity.—{llea,, r hear The appointmen ts to t h e 'Ar my were made to the'Members of the 'louse of Common*, and thus was influence Woad, so that to get any thing, 4 man most goon his hands and knees to the 211inister. The influence was openly avowed in that House, as he himself had heard 'Members do it. It was so obvious that a large standing army must augment the influence of the minister, that he should be ashamed to take up their time by Arguing upon it. He had mentioned the grounds upon which he fbunded his argument in favour of Reform, end they would be able to judge for themselves. The fact ofinereased population alone was sufficient in his opiniont but there were many minor points, which , although he had omitted, he had not forgotten. lie alluded to the increase of the excise, and other depart ments equally grievous in theirs p on the nation at large. • The worthy 'Sidemen proceeded to analyse the state of the Representation, which, he contended, confirmed the view he had taken of die founitiable affluence of the Govern ment. The worthy Alderman read a paasagr .on this subject from Mr. *Titmice, Blackstone,' in support of his argument-- What st a t e o f representat i on could that be Wherein three or four 'persona of one family, themselves Commistitmers of flo vernment departments, tent six Members to Parliament to burden and oppress the people by voting fresh taxe s ? If this was an old story—an o -told talc—so m uc h th e worse, for that aggravated, instead of lessening, the infamy of the thing. It was said by Lord Chatham, on the occasion of sf petition being presented for the recovery of one vote taken from Middlesex, that it was better for the people to perish in a glorious contention for their rights than surrender one iota of their Constitution. He said the people demanded re. (inn—they Lod grievances' to complain of, and they would never be tranquil until they were redress e d. He would set , nothing; in favour of the they it was intended to propose to them e because he was convinced it would be adopted by BO large a m a j or i t y upon i ts own obvious merits as to re quire nothing from him. The cause of Reform had been gainingifor a century. It gained proselytee daily. lie remem bered having endeavoured to persuade Lord Folkestone to be come 4 Reformer, without success, dth now all saw how openly he avowe d, anti how staunchly be ey supported, the Principles of Retbrm, derived from coneideration and convic tion. Ile hoped, if any opposition were to be made to the business of this day's meeting, it would be in the shaposof fair reasoning, and Ahat they were not to be treated with any, of that equivocating dealing about moderate Reform. He Con cluded by moving a Resolution, pledging the Court to a Peti tion to the House of (Ammons, preying for Reform—(Vide Ailvertisement.) Mr. FavE el. seconded the motion of his Hon. Friend. From the appearance of the meeting that day he till think there was a gleam of hope that a Reform would be au/tint:4l et last. Ile conceived this hope from the feeling of the Citizens of London and of the country, as had been lately' expressed. He consi tiered they would have a right to consider the Constituti ei n in danger if they saw a c ontinuance o f those majorities in Par liament, which they might fairly call corrupt majorities. It was like trying a cause by a packed ',lury. Upon looking over his memorandums —more fashionably, perhaps, reminis cences, he found that this was the hundredth tiros he had ad dressed his fellow citizens, anti chiefly on the great question of Reform ; and he did now rejoice .to see what progress was making in a cause for which they had been so col trad, calumniatetLand reviled. If Anti-Reformers ld h show duce that there was danger in a thong's of the Representation, it would be a good argument against them; for he held it agood maxim —Solos pOpali aultrenta kr.' Still, in spite of ell that eoultibe opposell d to the great struggle against the. jury divino, h e would sunsay a daperamiam. c orrupt praettees could be proved set all the rotten boroughs ; and therefore., upon the prin. elide which the house had consented to go, they should be seenre of a reform. Mr. F ox sa id, th at it was quite unparlin „ciliary to agitate The reme d y before the disea.se and this was (Ise answer I le wou ld make to those who detnautfeo systein of Refor m . pea 4. The itteoßDEn having read the Resolution, acid put the question, Mr. Ahlernian VEstant.ts said, be begged leave to express power at present of returning his entire conviction that a Reform in the Commons house of did not think Parlitiment was necessary, he thought it penti ee bi e and ne , cescu J 4rY 'oPre o ti ft a i t fc ) o il u it n Y tr u y f haft the t e h ° e nsutu6". Members in the full; free, ami unshackled manner that was originally intended. The right of the people to a share in the nittectierte ?mule to the Legislature was unquestionable, and deduced from very 44. he cien t source. The question was, whether the; people enjoyed that right at present—he thought not. T call for Reform, he believed, centered in the upprehension that men of lest influence 'and weight would be T o t ttroeds sod thus the inability of the ltiOVernillerit endangered; Lint -, h e eel not think tench weight was to be attachal to this f or if property wereintluenced it would continue the same salutary operatie se under any change thei.aould ise sißetvd• It had always bail e t% ry . pr i te r i t p o le f s th o e f f t a le r iCe andsti Constitution i o g n i v t e o s i t u ren a maintainthe n equipoise ea 4th of er became attgmented. He was not afraid of Prerogative, but he did think that they were losing that check against the influen ce and prerogative at th e C rown i nten d e d in the Institution of the House of Lords. He had no fear that they should not have Reform—he should as soon expect to see the light of morning darkened, as the consequence of the general effusion of know. ledge stopped.--( Hear, hear 1) Mr. S. Dtxore said, he was quite ready to agree to any Re formation the precise effects of which could be %retold. But who would undertake to say where the machine would stop, if once put in motion ? They had seen Reformations commenced with the purest motives; and on the most prudent principles, end in revolution and disaster. If the number of voters were increased, the Members must, according to emir',. be increased, and then he feared that 30 days would not enable them to get through the business of the year, —at present it rerptired six °months of discussion, tiresome enough, but yet hardly sufficient. They had been told of the increase of the Ex cise as an argument for a change of system. Why,' this increase could only arise from the flourishing commerce of the coon: try. 51r. kturke, too, was quoted ; but Mr. Burke had liv e d long en oug h to see t h e fa l lacy of his vlewS of Reform ; and ilrert frottraetual experience. Me. Pitt also was a violent it. former, but h e h a d lived lung enough to , see the Propriety of changing, H ow absurd it was to say to the Agriculturists that a Iteibmi in Parliament would better their condition It was from nattarid causes that their distress hail arisen, not from le gislation. During the late long and interesting war, the landlord increased his rent corresponding with the increase of prices; but when prices fell rent was not lowered. In some cases it was attempted to "maintain high rents, by arti i fi d e lt i ) a u ll t y r r e a co is r i l i n ig . prices, cruelly leaving out o f co nsid e rati o n t h e m id dling and lower more numero us c l asses , w h o were t h e consumers. Thus they w o uld see t h ere was an o b v i ous remedy w The farmers did very well before this disproportionat e risk in rent took place. On the other hand he did foresee conside rable damage likely to accrue from a change in the represen tative system of the nature proposed in the Resolution—Were some manifestation of impatience was evinced.) The Hon. Oentleman observed that if this was the way he was to be met, he should beg to decline proceeding. At the samealme, he should say that this interruption, whether it came from be low the bar, or within it, on an important question like this, it was most disgraceful. Mr. .lastxs thought that the opposition so unfairly made to his Ironourable Friend, arose from the apprehension that Ids argument would be too weighty for the principles of his oppo. neat. With regard to Reform, he found, on looking at the dictionary, that it was a change from worse to better ; and - in that sense he was an advocate for, Reform. It was said, that those who opposed Reform had no arguinent to offer; • and cer tainly if argument signified hold assertion' he admitted the preponderance was on their side. Reform might be very well : but he feared that Revolutionists would press hi among the well-meaning Reformers. Until they could 'see something of their way in the proposed change, he thought they had better act upon the saf e maxim, " Better bear the ills we heve, than fly to those w e k now not of." If their Statesm en were good, no matter whether they were elected by five or five thousand voters. It was better not to use doubtful remedies for disease, when we were represented to be in a state of such rapid ins provement. He could not, under this view, assent to the pro. posed resolution. Mr. .WELCII said he was a Radical and a Briton. • He look ed upon his country a* a tessilated table that he once saw, in the centre of which a column being raised, he supposed to re. present the King. Now, he said, cleanse that table from the reptiles and rtmbbish that at present obscured ft,' and he would shoulder his musket, and suppert the column to the last. In the face of day he would say that the. House of Commons was like the London Workhouse; and he concluded by hoping that they would all join heart and hand, like a bundle of sticks, In the cause of Reform. Mr. SLEADE adverted to the late war, which, he said, hod placed Fran ce in a situation of greater fame, and comfort than this impoverished country. All the good that the cotiatty pos sessed it o we d to t h e people; all the evil that afflicted it had flowed from the Government. One lion. Gentleman had asked what was Rethrm ; he would tell him that it was What bad been proposed and enacted by Parliament in its pure times. He spoke of the Triennial Bill, and others of the same nature he hoped the spirit of party would be abandoned, "and unanimity prevail in the adoption of the Resolutiens before them, and in the }}treat cause of Reform. Mr. R. SMITH deprecated the Rersonal attacks of the worthy Alderman who opened the discussion of that day, which could not be creditable to any one. He was satisfied with the pre sent system of things, and 'that every thing,would be done for the benefit of the people under the existing state of Govern ment that would be done under any other, , As for the clamour that was raised against a Standing Army, he wits convinced that the army of the present day, at ;MAIO,. was as much fvr the protection of the right atilt, subject as when it was only 18,000. Ile should oppose the motion before the Court. After a few words in favour of the Resolution, Nilo Mr. Tavtou and Mr. ALLOWA l', • Mr. CIIOC KER made a few observations in opposition to the Motion. It was justly observed, that they ought first clearly to' see the disease before therapplied a doubtful remedy. Now, be wanted to know whatreason there was sufficiently weighty to justify a change of the sweeping nature proposed in the pro. jests of Parliatnentery Reform. The system and the House of Commons were found to work well, notwithstanding the cla• moor about corrupt majorities. As to these corrupt majorities, he would cite one in to show how much truth was in the charge. In the year 1821 a vote of censure was proposed upon Ministers. It was t h oug h t b y some that they would he forced to resign ; but the event was otherwise—they had a triumphal acquittal, and, he bad taken the 'reins to dissect the votes upon the occasion. From information and research he found that of the 658 Members in the House of Commons, 37, one way or another, were alw . ays absent—of those who remained, 204 con stantly voted for ministers., and 221 constantly voted with the Opposition. The remainder, 195, were independent in their votes,. and with the .House thus constituted, Ministers bad a majority of upwards of 100. This • fact weadd 'Teak rnore. plainly, than any thing that could beautid oft the subject of the alleged corrupt state of the House of Commons. After a few words from Mr. PATTEN in support of the motion, Mr. Alderman WaaTitatax replied. The Resolution was then put, and carried by a large ma jority. ' Mr. Alderman 'WAIT/MIN them proposed the Petition, which was read; Mr. CAWTIIOOht proposed that a Anise alluding to the Ein peror of Morocco should be struck ontovhich was agrctil to, as were some other verbal alterations. The Petition then passed in very nearly the following form 1.--.. " Siftwvrit—That while your Petitioners, deeply sympa thise with the suffering of the Agricultural interests, they beg to represent to your Honourable House, that they are them ' selves also auffbring under the pressure of accumulated bur there; which become daily more insupportable by the depre ciation of every description of property ; while, after eight years of profound Peace, no proportionate reduction in taxation has tak en place, nor have any measures been adopted for the re moral of national grievances. " That they have marked the numerous enexoaclunents that have been made, since the period of the Revolution, upon the constitutional rights, and consequently upon th e p ro p erty o f t h e subject, but more particularly the accelerated progress of those encroachments during the late reign, and since the commence 'mesa of the late Wat 3 , and they have observed, that those en croachments have kept due pace with the corruption, depend ence, and consequent inefficiency of the Representatien t by which every, or any set of illinisters have been enabled to exer cise an uncontrouled influence, and to carry on their projects, however adverse to the interests of the nation. " That your petitioner* therefore submit, that the present enormous burthens and distresses of the country have not arisen front any unforeseen or unavoidable causes, but have been the necessary result of a long course of enrrupt Influence, extrava gam*, and mi sru l e ; e l wars ras h ly and. unjustly undertaken, suml, of enormous and unnecessary establishments; all of whi c h could only have arisen, and grown up to their present porten tops magnitude, from the want of that constitutional comma' over the IlettlintS the Crown, which ca t ronlybe found ina free and uncorr u p te d re p resentat i on of the people in l'arliarnent. " That, without recurring to earlier times, your Petitione rs need only revert t o t h e re i gn o f Charles the First, where the attempts rirseto mu:Natal the proceedings of, and then to govern without, a Parliament, brought that deluded .3ionarch to his - - unhappy end ; while similar condact in the two, sue: eedirig reigns, and the more insidious atteitipte Jo corrupt the Parlia ment, led to the expulsion of James the Second from the Throne. " That so eensibk were the great Stettin/rep of tied day of the baneful effects of attempting to destroy the intle.peritienee of Parliament, that in the Kitt of Rights it - "riots tivohatei, That the election of Members of Parliament ought to,tre free ; and that for the redress of all grievances, end the-emend ing, etrengtheniog, and preserving thelaws, arLaine t ougl t to be held frequently ;' and the preamble to the said Bali istoted. That frettuent new Perliamente tend only much to the happy union of king and People.' That your Petitioners have 'lament that, surrOundid with difficulties as their. anceitere thee were, 'their inienthm., thus expresSed, of rendering* the, Representation more perfect, and preserving, its independence, were rtn_ earrieLl into effect': henco the constitutional barriers they set up for the stecurity of the people were found but feeLle guerds al.,,t•eiest the liaiau!;.; of selfish and tleeighing illinieters, wh o have pereereringly and eYeternatically so undermined the independence of eleceloo, "that in most of the Boroughs scarcely a vestige of freedom rioW remain. "'That your Petitioners beg to draw the attention of. yew' „ Ilonouroble 'louse to facts which must lead to the irievitabie conclusion, that if the repreeent at i on was not meth/teed ade quate at t h e pet i.d in' 13,-rplutto l i, d. to the ':eate, of din t. country at that iime • that, from the great changes that haVe since taken place in the populatien s ui t the circumstances of the country, with the general dissemination of knowledge, h must now have become wholly inefficient for all the great and bone& dal purposes of representation. That your Petitioners beg, to impress upon the considera. Lion of your Honourable How*, that the population, whielear, the Revolution scarcely eXceetted five millions, now exceeds twelve ruillitins, and including Wales fourteen tnillicuts .; with the population of Scotland end Ireland, amounts to twenty. one millions. IVidiehis vast increaee el population, extensive towns have arisen, and industry and property have been di rect ed into new' Chmin e l s ; an d your l'etetioners conceive that, if no other argument could be advenceil in favour of Reform, the.ex istence of so immense a mass of unreinesented population and }property would alone be sufficient to induce your Honourable. House to admit them into the exercise of their undoubted civil rights, by a full and equal participation in the elective franchise. " That when the preseet suite of the itepresentation is eer sidered,—when It is notorious that the Most glaring bribery, end perjury are habitually connuittetl,e-that Members are sent tc your Honourable House, not even by the choice of those few who nominally elect them, but by individual proprietors of bo. roughs,—that, in violation of the Constitution and the orders. of your Honourable Ileuse, ounierous Peers are. to be found lgautlig°llugagtell°o7llPlTru.Pßl.luerttres,—waenred nthotatiuPsatirtulintetinentot4biew`haicitl.'ortintotitil upon the people, but a controul for the people,' become theroly i Instruments n the hands of. Achnieistration,—y.our Petitionets humbly conceive, that the exieteneteufsuch abuses is wholly incompatible with the public safety, and must lead, ii nu: speedily corrected, to a train of cal:unities. " 'That your Petitioners have also to state other reasons it, .7eircn support of the necessity of /deform. At the Revolution, atel • long subsequently thereto, the . resent extensive and orgunio. means of influence and corruption were not in existence. :1; • the accession of Ntrilliarn lii. there was no National i)ele ; since that time a debt of eight ,hundred millions has been created. The annual taxes have been increaseddpriog that period from two to sixty millions ; and the tiosee exoentlitert - • is mmA less than fifty-three millions. 'Peke expense' forehe eel leetion alone is now double the whole national expentlittlee at that [period. That endleSs source of ve.xation and oppression. the Excise, which even the influence of Sir Robert 'Welpole could not, extend, is now incroased Lions half a million to nem, ly thirty millions per annum. The Assessed Taxes, another source of vexation, anti oppression, and which at that time lined no existence, 41'41110W eight millions[ and a half per annum The Poor Rates, scarcely then known, have been mereaeed, even since the year 1792, from two to about seven millions. The Stamp Duties, no 11,S$ hurthensome and partial in their operation, were nut then known, as also other gtievone.impoviit that could be nieotioned. Standing Armies were not then to lerated. During ehe reign of tyilliatn II I, theyoever eeeteptied 10,000 men ; and your Honourable Nauss is awareof the shied that was made in Parliament, in die reign of George IL, upon constitutional grounds, against the keeping up of a force not then amounting to IS,OOO tnen ; but ?tow the country has, in time of peace, to support an army of 80,090. To the abov e _ mentioned sources of influence may be added, the increased :lumber of Peers, many of whom your Petitioners have reason to fear, owe their advaneensent solely to their iatinctiee lea re- Surniug Ilembers to your Honourable 'louse. The introduction also of Scotch and Intl illembers into your llonottrable house, who are mostly returned by the same llTlCollstitutional means. has greatly added to the prepoiderating influenee of the Alinie tees of the 4a ti% yr e 4at r ti o lor i n vil oe . i tei i tio iv n i c ia rs ir !t ., a n y t e b a;so th t e o o s li c s l e z t e u , li t a h i a A t the was stn., 4. T fn the h other measure that conferred - up...it Ministers and their depend ants an undue and dangeroum acquisition ii. influence, and has been a fruitful source of corruption among electors. said Act was passed 118 a temporary measure to meet a partieular emergency, but not without great difficulty ; and bee art been considered, by some of the highest authorities, as art un werrantable and unconstitutiona) assumption of power by the Parliament, for the exercise of which nuthority de e( had no more right than they would have had to render themselves permanent. 4 " That your Petitioners having enumerated the foregoing facts, cannot omit mating some others respecting' the present achial Nolte of the Representation. " That in a Petition presented to your !Immutable house in 1793, by the lion. Mr. Grey (new Lord (Prey), it was al lnged, and offered to'be' Proved, tha t 307 'Members of your Honourable 'louse, forming a majority therein, were returned, 'not by the voice of the people, but by 158 Peers and other powerful individuals; and in the said Petition' they attributed the eagerness with which seats were sought, to the iticreased National Debt, anti consequent increase of influence ---the l)ebt being at that tante 2-14 millions, and the annual expen diture 10 millions. " That your Petitioners beg particularly to 'impress opon the minds of your Honourable 'louse, that if the National Debt, which hail been accurnahning fora century, could in 1793 hove so powerful an influence, in how much Millar a degree Inuit its pernicious operation have been inereaec , 4l, when from that time to the present it has advances from 244 to time er.ormotte 'amount of 800 millions 1 " That they beg theretbre to call the attention of your fl - noitrable Rouse to the following additiottel facte, which Otte , be lieve to be subetantiully correct, as far tie facts of Fitch a na ture can be ascertained. " That there are in your Ihmonrable .souse no less than 89 Alemberit who ludd places, sinecures, o r pensions, tinder the Government, who share among themselves 183,3721. tee Itfitle of the publie latoney, and who, us yoor petitioners are it and believe, invariably vote,,with the creep-don of some few ma. stances, with Alinisters ; anti that the-indireet influenee ia your Honourable House is further augmented by the great number of Member* who ttre the relatives or dependents of person s hold ing similar places and amintnients; as Well as by the exten-sive military, naval, church, anti colonial patronve. • " That the boroughs in Cornwall send N your honourable house 42 Alembers ; while, exclokive &Comity ;limbers, only are .returned by 16 othir Counties, Licit:ding London and " That the said County of Cope/ell contahm-m apopnlatitie of 250,000, and nearly 45,000 house*, and only about 1,200 persons return the said 42 Members. That, were the said VOttri un influenced, your petitioners conceive that this return could in no sense be considered a representetioe, even of that Countyr whereas, they ere notoriously corrupt, and xnoetly under the dominion of patrons. aP2e2en!,:ithWtoTT7ne4llAivrtatsinetarth: eee4b2icitsae;:f°ol::?Tnweculit:niclnscifautliiles:d'ficeilb,thottt:4l.enzi'rcevst,:erlora3,l24lawttas:l3htionieigeaem.,invrngeillryni-bri:rc:7E.:l4l(ateth:csl;vt)P:ssl:44:Pupintalsordllisig9atwili:ll;(4::':lo:tit:ol,l,i,;Yzir:. Under the controul and dontinion atiout 21 individuals, amen whom are some Peers. Of nearly four minions and a half, County Members. embers ; That ex vithdinesulla:lolll:::lthit!'bltultiaet in n 2 .. e 'Vl edle i le ctli i t b i r Y t 7 y °°l: 4 l ::;: 64Us4o : ree t thY t i rt i l i :4 :r et il ist i . a d i n a : l ; 44i n e tn u :i patrons. 'I faat'tat batten, lhietchingly, Keygete, and Ilaelcutere, in the eetiet county, which return eight of the above, the elee t ie sle ereestuto bu,r,leTsluaet, wthheuire.highbesinsheoitSi!:voulgid l ' s ° 4lll Vn yn Ce uaw rn th n e u re n i 4 a t ; rous super plates, Which are too well known to be pointed ote, rerrtain r.ta