The Sun. — London, England, 1846-08-11 00:00:00

• - -.....- - - - _-- ~.......rn........r.r.k.n•aa5.r....e - ' - . t o_ . 7 . .................., ‘1 ,1.1.1,..a.+C • -- - tra T tilin thi s measure as far as it would aff e ct the slave I other a Why, there were only two count + ries i e n t a h u e se w t o h r e l .y d , u w s h ed a 1 d th e a fi t ci w en as cy w i a n nt t e h d e i W n t e h s a t t l c n o d u ie n s tr i y n w th as e t p h r e od in u t c r tn ic o ti f o s n u o g r a e r .ffi ._ .i A en t t l hi ) .4e i .. %.7,ce,r, les of s' Hear hear.") I n t h e fi rs t place, (said ! s,ere excluded from the monopoly, an . d th y, b e . to , -Insulin with mu , ch warmth ) I must b eg I,, eye . a maehiney which get e :hers a supei entity over other cenotnes, machinery. Now, he ceuld understand from unquestionable /ay re Y : t ! t 4 p t , ! yield not to to y N„el e an d n ear ,, e d F t -maid, or I a nd the 10 ,.. e of wise, li w.as ceroideied by Chi istiarts as a olsgrace authority - that there was a company forming stnee the ‘ i v ot t, r s o t d l e n c- -. Noti c e: in gs in abhotrence at e ! d e t es t a i!on of that inhuman and a crime._ Pe ebis ettel to ,he psriod in which the 11111 was non of this measure OA- the purpose ef suppliing,. , the Is sef i ce g t (Crtes of " Heer, heal . ")-and that the," is no , brought fo, weer, I : l e rejected to it on the prineinles of expe- dies with machinery. Now h t e wh . were embarking their capital from a cons when t a the win,•i -les ef pei •v-on the t.rtncipl , sof liuma- rens , this was done be m , 4:in . of goof' ta pat s. ' ' n r any risk, that 1 would not incur in _coder i diency -on i 5 . t Ystele e st " t ° it, if I thought that we could check this i r T ety, a:it't he woul.l ...iamst sai oii 01.. principles of i•onsestency. thes wolf dbe able to realise a largo profit on h t e ha e t on c e a u ni r ta un l. m H o e F present. did hope thot they woula be enabled, with t . ~teni ~_ . e aled, . ii i' P e rseverance in th e course we have hitherto pur , to-re nev i er n:a . S . 3 . r , moire Mere uncalled for than the "ti T . . ', G ,, Verfi - al. lit declaree thet the lire, of o . her ceuntwes, to put a final atop to the accursed sys h I n th . feiendi ° ti n in making any alteration in our (Idle- •In 1-Ct„er ar_ _ 14 3' et er ' t i o li n i s ie t s, I would not yield to a, y man in , slave..grown swear ehou A net I ,is d takeis into coesideratien. slave trade. Tin re was euch a disposition on the part of t e h ra at bathe_ 0 put an end to the system. I .hould consider jAt that ti l m v e .i srar nae ate!u• 4 , -isi. ... per ewt., exe'uove id' the zits to do so, and give a fair chance to free labour - t Ilt d ie ' , s talir no sacrifice ton great for such an ebjeet, but, duty . tle rice hee falhte to aas. tid.. in d the supply labour wltich was becoming more fruitful b yer by i,, ,, t v a e t a , r ,d . th e erne u r i , e t ime, my Lo,ds, I should require to know has incr t e o a.s . e ‘ h d:fr - - ri l 16 . 1,0 0 t tiais . to 245,00 I . ; so that was his He had heaed that a number of white persons . se(H eitg ai of succese that has followed our psevions polmy. . ne . s•Ceoity of this rev wure _t hat was his anewer to from oue of the West; India Islands to . the Madei a re . s i , t em d - there ere iven ' t o• pe e 1 ) At the same time th a t we res t ric t e d the com teris of t a t n ic 7 s e ingt rgfaini at . ' El's Nettie F'rteed had gone further than he w' s clearly a manifest improvegnent in the ar . icu u a r n e of the •tote• P "arid tie receipts of our Exchequer did we put an end h ai l , Ter eear d 0;.• believed a m g b could go tin the calculation island ; ''s trafE • and he cen•idered that it greatei fact ities w g l Prohibi t cln human beings? At the time we imposed our re- pectmg steth, ac , in: lis t si: , gar, lis eeetured to caleulate for five .to emigration !limn. would not be such a demand for slave a o i se t t to have done for ' bour, and censequently the present meamre would not prLoped din ee nr yduties, and those privations upon our people, and yea s --what few ts , , d eda .k . Zilt e. a P 11 ourselves to injury 1 ask you, my Lords, three, .Bet he emu, te -e a a , n: e r;p a ., , .. ,E. r tn tam h ity before he sat down l gate the slave trade. Fie considered that the Noble or tily"at:thneseresult of ou ff t ? ' Could the (continued of refuting „ aor d sb ,_ , _ reor s . . the Noble Lora s calculations, and showing l y ' ine the absurdity of ettemptine . o enter into such a . f h •d h• • d d that the second reading him I would treat the House of Ceremons in a more respectful man detail They ' ner i e vane is motion, an move Lae p tis , . ec iP t 2 after calmly and dispassionate y review . tlat er . r • - •": ld they say that they had succeeded in abolishing had now 46,000 tons of su'ear exported from the Mauritius - , be taken this day six months. s tede oes ne twithstandi ng all their great risks and their great from ehich Mr. HuskissenT said that if they ever received Lord ASHBURTON said he came down to the House quite Ne ar, 1 : and their collisions with foreign nations ?- 10 000, he would eat it boJily; he therefore l asked his Ncble pretiared to give his vote for the rejection of the measure, if it Years % ea r.) It was notorious that during the last .thirty Friend upon what principles he made , his h ca cula l t i ion; of the Wer i e the intention of his Friends to divide the House upon it. s ' e rev • eY had not-notwi , hstanding their unabated consumption and supply of sugar. Jolt e wou . corne back The great areument by which the measure was advocated was o the ''''y'st g and courage in their strugeles to put down to the former point, and he would ask what was it that had that of free tr' s a..de, which had d . ropped from the t cl t o .m ud e s_ n up t e i n e Vtil l in e ' n t"they had net, in fact, succeeded in doing reduced the . price of sugar ? It was net because they had the I them, and which had shown itself for the firs , i i .1 . " I s i neitlie't ; le was sure their Lordships must still bear in stimulu. ot competitiou, but it was liegause t r h_ey l ha l - 5 . 1 the sti- I present year-( Hear, hear)-and he feared they would find "%tad - e ' °c Ptent and - powerful speech which had been ad- mulus of protection -t Heer, heir. ) rhe VC est n; les, under the falleey ef i hat measure when it would be ton late to re- . Lm- t° their Lordships a few weeks ago by his Noble and the promise et prreectioe, had it,er,-as.el from year to year-in 1 medy it ' . ' lt hail been said b • his Noble Friend that the present ' O r aed est o f sh Lord opposite (Lord Brougham) on the sub- ' 1841, from 44.000 tons ; ie 1842, 55 000 tons • in 1849, ; measure altered the whole Y colonial system. He agreed in 111 da esevery. That Noble and Learned Lord alluded, . 69.090 tons ; and in the present v e er 80,000 tons i ' i The same i ' in that statement, fir he considered it involvw - 1 th, principle 841 they lof the use of their having colonies at all. What was the (sh e/ ; etturse of his speech, to the great efforts was tile case w:th respect to the Mauritius. htt se tsal a e P° .„ e le° , n to put down a particular system, I exported 20,000 tons ;in 1826, 46,000 tons; a t n ve d n in ibe next , ject of colonies? They might have points of refuge for naval , ' lr shear * " had failed in that object, so had we failed in ; year it was estimated at 60,000 tens. I d 3ut l tha _ould not be ' Power, ' tle!; Points as Malta and Gibraltar ; but the real u s e o f e s , me e,. „ s iatletive e "e' aootisn tne system of s l a very. They h a d made i the whole of the effects of the propose p all. It would add j the colonies was to have an excluive privilege of trailing with h e th e ige g l .to every maritim power in the world with the view I the value ofot to every ton of suzar imported from Brazil and them ; and the moment that they deg/Atter' from that system e "klb e e - "," 1 1? that system. e The naval Powers 0, f this country Cuba. -( Hear, h ea r.) Th ey lwou bg by thde i pro ose d,i n ... colonies ceased to be of any aslvantaste-(Hear hear.) If the rn a t n he eu P ltivation I differen•ia ' 1 - duties vrere aholisi ed in - Canada, the gentlemen pg " i thetl t t i t ie u i r might to bear against the system; they had dimi- i cr f ease the t n o et t i ii ir e efi a t ai s r t i , f .-- u e rit verY f s ei a th e er " l - 7 or 15/. a year to i from Manchester would find that the market for cottons, of t he r 'Ple,. ape r ,r,evenue, and they had imposed privations on the e;‘erse tn 7, s a tlaY had guarrelled with some of their best cus- ! h o is a n n te ga t r er for his services.--( Hear, hear.) And that was not i which they believed themselves to possess a monoply, would g e stk, Q Il les.-(hear, hear.) They had coerc ed t h a I aal, nor n early all . it would not only cause an increase in the be taken from them. If these principles prevailed, the whole b ertil i n succumbed to the Powerful nations of the demand of 25,1,00 lons-it would not on ly i ncrease the value on syrem would be altered. and they would weaknn every de -4,414(4;e° r espect o f th e s l aver y question, and yet they all sugar imported to bl, per ton, hut it wind," increase the fence of the country. He warned their Lordships, that those "'s al e ireeeded in th e i r o y e cts.-(Cries of ss Hear, hear.") demand 0 this coantrY, by reducing the price of the sugar, a . nd who . were pressing on . these measures upon the country and e ll „ li erC t 'h e e l aord, who at ti j mes was scarcely audible in the they must take into calculation the amount of sugar which Parliament : were running the risk of seriously undermioing t . i. _'eln g . o ,,'. l went on t o s ay, that by returns it appeared that would confequently fall off in their own colonies in the West the prosperity of the country.-(Hear hear.) They were told - aedi g s t 'e vessels engaged in the slave-trade were Indies.-- : ( Hear, hear. ) A . nd did these L wiships or did any that these reformers, as they were called. would give a new a h y e s oe s- ores ee ar t Do not let their Lordships refu s e to adopt man, believe, that after this me ' asure s ' hoUld ‘ cont .. ; into oper h a . - impetus to the English farmer and the West India pl. neer- Cutait ee - nw Proposed, however much they might have been tion the West Indio] estates belonging to the people of t is that was, the ' expected to eive an impetus hy taking away the 4ta sog e t Z t against them, when the necessity for them was country could be permanently cultivated to the same extent reward te . hie l h thoUld ac - 'company his incr ß eased exertion ' 4 vra rt iV f , e o n not let t d hem r l efuse to deal as the should with and the same arnoweit as they were cultivated and carried on at The question wee, whether they would pass a ill which would . i t d r i ab d an s-s ay . er H did - y not believe the present moment ? The effect of this measure vi wild be the open new sources of supply for sugar from two countries, Cuba iti e ttive of t h vi e n ould e ae r c e t a u m e ee r s om in p y Olitical e econom - that any , exportation of 10,000 or 20 000 additional slaws from the coast and Brazil, where slav e ry and th e s l ave trade egisted,. t T th hst kre, Vesult f the ado ition of ), this inea- of Africa. And for what purpose would those 10,to oor '20,000 was the . point at issue, and y that w ld as th t e questi f o v n e th th a at th e i r s s i t adopa id think that the means were 1 wi•hin their grasp additional slaves be exported from the coast of Africa ? For Lord t ship v, s o h w ed_ to w d i rd t e o . see le th c e ou cont n in o tian c e t igh leh on g - e g a better principle with reepect to free and the very purpose of inpreasing th . e slave trade in th t e e. Bra nn zi , l e s . c 3 o ,s u r n ein ry of Id e a Parity he t "ecause, in the first place, it did away with the and Cuba. Let their Loydships . took to the gr h a d slavery 'tor the purpose of saving a n e n fe e o w e f v t h i i e e p h e ri n r c r e i b i l n e P been the price of sugar. He believed that the feelings and elniensi 'Newish, "seen the labour of the slave and free man; and if and loss of life . to f which t t his co th u e ntri raffic a in the tiotis of this country had been totally misunderstood, and that 1 / 4 4 , etllte il 'II their Lordships had affirmed, was injurious to put with a "kite' s , ' the same arguments would apply to . ugar. people of AfriC i a. e . w o He Prev a e d n m l i n tt g e d, with his Noble - if they could be made to comprehend the principle of the In so t he p ro m nenti on s•r ') He did not, in saying this, state Friend, that our present cruisers on the coast of Africa, great measure now proposed, they would treat it as they treated the or a and . vigorous an had been their exertions in the attemot . to proposal made in the year 1841, when the same proposition th„ erenvid et , Unsupported by practical men, b. - , prisodpffa ?Meld not be easily solved, for he was affirming extinguish that. system, hal been sulijeeted to great loss of life, about cheap sugar, with other delusions of a similar t eere 6 4 , anzio u Vlaieh practical men in India, and in this . country, but he belir:ved it the same time. that all their exertions and character, wer e off e r e d . to. snd repudiated . by them. this country in the su pp res sfe n o f He should, therefore, withhold his support from . the . ; meesure. i,l,"„iree f a h ° . f° see carried out, because, it was well known all the mo_se h y wt expended by b oreolence, arid philanthropy mi s di re ct e d.- He telt bound . to protest against the system which this measure " t ' . . ail the n i " r competed upon equal terms with slave labour sl u avr a s r w i a ie s a, ) Lot her Majessy'a Ministers speak out upon would establish. He also protested against the cond . uct of ,7_,lt . ipee,,arkets of the world. The Noble Lord then referred ( F ield e d ''''' of a M r . B urnett, a respecta bl e l an downer o h f this qu ' estion - .-' Cheers.) This country had already expended those Noble Lerds, who intended to vi. ,t e , in f a.voue o f th is mea sure, merely because they did not wish to disturb the present hSi tten ' ci a . j t a , great agricultural meeting in that colony, whic 2 hooo,ooo'. in 'purchasing the freedem of some sleves, and s g sla th ere go by an i mmense n.um b er o f , tamers. at which he yet the horrible system of slavery continued, dentite their Govetnment by opposing the measure.-( Hear, hear.) 'Neje 'novel of the restriction on sugar and labour was ab- expenditu re a n d th e gallant c induct of their cruisers. We Lord MONTEAGLE said, in conjunction with the Noble wi th I tiecessary in ord r that th e y milCht tra4e unrestricted had lemn ' l foreign c matries by treaties te jein with us in the Lord, he regretted that the discussion on this measure should . ectiee of the colour o f suppression of the slave trade, and yet her Majesty's Govern- have taken place at so late a period of the session. It hail been the i a , 1 , 1 the ev - orld--( e Heary • -trre p . . li t g a uoure rs b y whom t h e su gar was produced.-( Hear. ) merit we:e actually at that Inunnent proposing a measure which said, why not postpone this measure till the next session, hut he Illi s - o n ald go s till f urt h er , an d quote the evidence of General would flirt her the avitricous designs of ti e slave trailer, and conceived that it would have been a great dereliction of duty e tt ''''', and Isis Noble Friend opposite would see by his defeat and refits all our pred.ous efforts in the cause of emanci- had they delayed for one hour the settlement of this great ni s e ellents that his fear that free labour could never be peting the slave.- ( Hear. ) Such cerplum would justly lay us cpestion. -( Hear, hear.) After the settlement of the other ei cg to compete with slave labour was groundless. (The °pee to the charge, not simply of extreme folly, but actual great question of free trade, they were hound, with esfle Earl then proceeded to read an extract from hypocrisy.-( Hear, near. ) If this measure were carried, the out the sliehtest delicacy. to propose this measure, ti g g t 'ral Minter's works, from which it appeared Government must then withdraw their cruisers from the coast which was hut a part of the question of free trade. is th a free labourer coula work for a longer 'period of Africa. Whe eoeld believe, then, that this country that had The parties engaged in the cultivation of sugar bad already Plo se e ., 6 "ld than a slave labourer. ) The p - oprietor who em. expended such enormous sums, and sscrificed so much human suffered'greatly from the delay which had taken place in t . he ti gte a free labour had not to sink his ca iital in the pure blood fir the extinction of the slave trade would now propose settlement of this question. lt had been said that the Lege , - lis ate e nf ' dare s , nor ' had he to contend I with the lowes a measure aittuelly approving of and sat;ctioning„ that very leture had pledged itself not to disturb the interests of those an t Pent upon their death or illness. It als o a pp eare d s y s t em ? 1 hi. eetintry weuld, undoubted's . , become the laugh- concerned in the growth of sugar, but what had they been b eqie • .-I• LNill ri e e mottaos and other tropical productions could be ieg sto k, and the ridicule of every people and every nation doine during the whole of the last twenty years? They had 'en t e l e ; ut the colonies by free labour at a mu c h le s s on the face of the earth -( Hear, hear.) They would sehject been continually passine changes, which were but the heralds 'aide et ", t ,t hY the employment of slave-labour. It was also thems 'lves to the contempt of every human being, as the of fmure changes -( Hear, hear.) Then he contended that tee n u tuat free labour was more profitable than slave labour, gt oseest and most absurd hypoeriles, who would act so incon- the Government were not only ju.tified in, but actually bound telly b n e fact that estates in the West Indtes, worked sistently and unjustly tor the purpose of saving id. nonto allow this session to terminate without laying before the t llorel t ' l sles, did not pay a shilling upon their capital ; in the price of every pound of sugar, and a slight Legislature such a proposition as this.-( Hear, hear.) Noble t r i es 14;u:states worked by free lebeur, or partially by and temporary augmentation of the revenue.-( Hear, hear.) Lords who were opposed to this measure did nevertheless sup b e % Duet , , Yielded a fair return for the capital invested. His Noble Friend opposite had ,aid, in the course of his speetth, port a measure in 1825 which was but the herald of e tree t'il i ", t it would be far more profitable to work these estates that he was ready te make any sacrifice for the purpose of this. Even the Noble Lord himself who had just sat t tri se g ben slave labour. But the profits were not to be petting an end to the slave trade-( Lord Clarendon, " Hear. down had frequently stood up in his place in Par ',sale iett.,. s YsteM of protection, by a p ro p r i e t ar y li v i ng at hear") --and the one sacrifice that he was called upon to make liament in support of a reduction in the price of sugar. He *44 ' tor o e ase, and leaving their estates to be managed by was one half-Penny per peued in the price of sugar.- asked whether any one really believed that the ground% of t l' o ta l'„riete 'lh-ae , mterests were by n o means id en ti ca l with the ( Hear, hear, and laughter.) But that it appeared was too Noble Lords' opposition to this measure was the pr went state p r s Pecati o r n s ' ",t l t hy an improved s stem of aericulture by the great a sacrifiee fo r th e morality and philanthropy of the of political psrties in this conntry ?-( Hear, hear. ) The Noble V e 'itole - °' skill, capital, an d y m ac hi ner y' )e l i c h w ' as pre- Noble Losil.-( 'Jeer. 'leer. ) Wh it did the very Com- Lord who had just down had raised one of the largest systems 4 1 ' ',sent fr h• '•• ' ' • mlsSiOnefg of the G cvernment themeelves say on the subject. of which could be raised, and which could not be discussed in a 1,11 nettled oat tts country as soon as this question was e € ' ll , e nd ' and the capitalists knew what they had t" do• the traffic in slaves exp u rted from Africa'? Her Majesty's meie parenthesis. That . questi4in referred to our colonies. ti l 7 t e trads,tten o nlY, would their celoniee be ab!e to deft the Commtssioner wrote from Haeaenah, in the course of laa year, The Noble Lord had said that if we adopted this system we d ie . st ate 01 underselling the slaveowner, a n d b r ing ab o ut that. there had been a cons &rattle redocnon in the exportation were about to depart from nur present colonial system ; but 13 e 'akin, things whi c h no th ing h u t the wealth and of slaves from Africa in c(!nsewnee of the low price of sugar, that system involved mutual robbery-and were their Lordshipe t a woule ac e of this c o u n t r y w a s able to produce. whi h was occasioned by i's exclusion from the British desirous of continuing such a system ?-( Hear, hear.) He e i sh i t i, e w es o, ' ) further, and say that the present mo- rosrk , ts-( Hear, he: s o...other, it was net their cruisers nn the conten,ed that every colony in our possession ought to feel ri t t'ffe l tw o i : e Peculiarly f e .v oura hl e , awl the condition coast of Africa that had predueed this effect-(Hear, hear)- grateful to the Government for this measure.-(Hear . hea . r.) of t if 'es • t e e at slave-deal in e coun tries would most mate. hut the laws paseed by the Legislature of this country, prohibit- His Noble Friend had , ndearoured to lay down a prioetple e e -ar es ji l t ; ill the e e "p er i m s n t. The revolution ing the introduction of slave-grown sugar into this country at teat it was not right to coreraence a wrong, although it might go t ' 1 14 t b e ' e ' Years ago in Cuba ' had left a powerful imPres - the same rate as the produce of free labour.-( Hear hear. ) be right to continue a wrong._ He (Lord Monteagle) did not tPlatinnogresteat feelino nf alarm in the minds of the white There wits another point on which he should like to have an astree eitti his Noble Frend in thit principle. H . e . did not taL w ereew r eu has and he;asconviocedthat althotigh their mo- answer from her Majesty's Gmernment b e f ore h e s at dewn. thietr, that In a ease of right and wrong, such a principle was a n - s iflit h a • r " t i t rent, their abhorrence of the sla ' ve-tra ' de WaS at this and that was, whether they intended to remove the rest rict inns tenable. It hid bren sneered at that all these alterations were 4 4r , q r e f er t 'Y Inferior to their own. In proof of this he and differential duties upon foreign gotid s e His Nnble Frie . nd to Le made for . the sake of a reduction . of one h , alfpenny per ne t tn 4thi t t t rftimunications from itutla and the Brazils, de- hed said that they were not afraid that the ettiest Indiao pound in the pnce of , su . gar ; but . , a secrifice o_f eoo,ooof. per_ The ur al int epe e . Y would rather suffer a diminution o f th e ir agr i. co lo n i s ts would not he able . to compete with slave -holders if , annum had been made in the article of cotton . for th T e h sake t f m e cor onto t•St than be exposed in their lives and properties, tree imaneration was permitted. He should like .0 know five-eighths of a halfpenny on a former occastan.. e . ex ga . • It e a , iaer e P e t t ln e ° of suear had, during the last tew years, sin.. what sort of la - mile-ration they meant, beitause, at this moment, vagantte 01 the popes in the middle ages, in their chyle pl a g7t• Al e -ea in Eu ' rope. It had taken place principally in there existed no obstaele to prevent any man from aey quarter sion of the earth into eastern and western portions, was hot tf e i'," e l° the n t - ,g the shores of the Mediterranean • it had taken of th - world entering the West Indies as a free lobes - trete He to he eempared with the egregious folly of that nation which lentij en Stat e ;', te s of the Zolverein, and still 'more in the wished to know what they meant to do with the coast of attempted to define, by geographical limits, the morality of the p ygg , titer ° w n i America. In the states of the Z everein, in Africa, because it was from that quieter that the slave- consumption of slave-grown sugar. There was only one other s ' lO 5 egl: as introduced 30 000 tops of eugar, and in 1644, holders con•ernplated supplying themselves with slaves. He part upon which he wished to call the attention of their Lord ,aants I th r - 'IT • n aeon esPect to the lilted States, he h a d no ac - wi e b e d to know what restrictions on immigration the Govern- chips, and that was the financial state of this country. That a PPear Which he could rely; but from offietal documents meet preposed to remove. He presumed that they •id not in- migiit appear consola - ory to the sup*rficiel thin . ker on the sub . - i t erear „, e4 , that i n 1840 there were imported 48 00‘),090 lbs. of tend to permit the exportation of slaves from the coast of Africa. ject, but to tho,e who took a deeper Inew ot the subject. it n' i tiClPC . ` s,o tiO 000 Ihs of . molasses, while in 1844 th ere were Th e y w ou ld prebibit the slave trade, but they would encourage presented a most alarming appearance ; for at present there tic) * t ' o oolb s o i ftp oun d e ugarandl94,ooo,ooolbs.ofmolassen all the horross of elavery iu the interior of Africa. What did wes a most. serious deficiency, notwiths-anding the Ineom . e !ad ;11;, r e 'roi tvh . at h r ad taken place in the country to vs h ic h h e G overnment me an by conferring this brim; of unrerricted Tax ; and it was therefore imperative that measures of this ase it - ouued, t h e e was a convincing proof that an increased immigra•ion upon the West India colonists? His Noble Friend nature shout Ibe passed to avoid the serious consequences that t illo o "i'd for sug a r r had been met by a greater consumption of had alluded te the circumstance ef sugar being introduced might ensue from this state of th.ngs. He thought the present 'ti t ''''• It w O• s , th e refore high time for them to make their from the slave countries into this, and exported by the mer- the b e st /Tiede ot meeting that state of things. vitt:eased demand, which he felt assured would tend to =mho- chants of this country into other countries. He ( Lord Stan. Lord BROUGHAM said tbat a fortnight since he harl called rs i . t oe condi t i on of the slave. They should then be better ley ) contended that bynuch a mode they did nnt encourage the the attention of the House to this subject, and he had waited 1e., 41 ed to meet the charges that had been made against them growth of a single plum' of slave.erown sugar ; they were through all this debate to hear the answers to those statements sfsiteteign nations.-(Hear, hear.) Sugar was the single ex. merely the carriers of the sugar, and had nothing whatever to se ll 'en to the maxim observed of the dealing with slave-dealing do with the coesumpt ion of the article. The West India ce- which he had then brouttht forward, but he had waited in vah. e g at ries, which had been adopted universally in all other arti- lonies of Spain had been next alluded to by his Noble Friend The fact . of his heine un - answered, might seem to relieve him h ist . •. It should be recollected that all the slave.growing coon- as deriving some benefit from our treaties with Spain. Those from ihe necessity o r i making a second statement., or troub•ing their Lordshies again upon this subject. His Noble Friend th g :iri!are slave-dealing countries. It should alsobe recellected treaties did not apply to the merchandise of the colonies ; had gone through all the points of his Noble Friend (Lord Nlt t d e t s w, as a measure of protection; a measure not so much to they applied only to the subjects of the en onies, 'and in t ilt s r the produce of slave-dealing countries, but to reduce that sense the court of Spain always interpreted Startle . 's) speech evidently actuated by the gardener's motto, tea ti _a u se e trade itself. He could not understand how any ex-- As to the treaty with Brazil, there was no provision whatever theln. " lalea4 not to . ;ouch." To take the debate on the second reeding was the usual course, but the present course was fq - fu, o .ould be made to slave dealing for one object and net in that treaty for the admission 01 etuear. He ehjected to the adopted for public convenience. But he (Lord Brougham) in tegir. ther. If it were not so, why not object to the slave time at which this measure was introduced, because he believed to o ' ef the United Slates, where slavery existed in all the that it could not go forth to the country as a permaneet or troduced the question by anticipation. The Noble hite'dt brutal and demogalising features which it had ever exhi- well-considered measure. He felt satisfied that although the Lord opposite had not answered any of the argue ri g ' and infinitely more than had ever been seen in the Bra- desire to ebtain sugar •-at one halfpenny per pound might be ments he t Lord Brougham) had . introduced. h He Ile s • Yet that had been done with slave-holding America, prevalent durine the present free-trade mania, still the country ( h tid adhere to his former opiniens that this measure should aye Ile?' in 1835, the importation of cotton wool was 2 840 000 would not acce ' t of such a boon by the nas.ine of any measure een brought in at a proper pence', when it might be properly tig s t and, in 1845, it was 6 00,000,00011)s The w' o i j t o h , ' tw o - wh d i c h would ;ender u - seless atri pu l gasn ' ry', on vrorse tfian usel discussed. It vi,s contended that a new Government must lie t • to tobacco. In 1835 the importatio'n war n 2s • ess do something. Re atlinitied that it was necessary for a new nueatory, all the efforts which had been matte for the last tah,f and, i n 11345, it was 32,000,0301b5. We claimed twelve 'years -all the sacrifices of blood and the treasures which Government to have something to go to the country with, and le t " at MOre moral and religious nation than any other, and h d b h e t en ft e w xpe d nd h e c. l i t .ffi o put down tilts a h ccu e r t s ip e l d e o tr f a t ffi hi e s to enjoy the retidue of their dap. Now, he could understand i t i i ,We w ere thus indirectly encouraging the slave trade in th a oug why the Bill should he introduced for this purpose hut f . or any Il4ts most odious forms. Why, if they were to reject this try that slave ° r u' -1.1 cult to persuac et e other purpose he could nor see why it was brought in and 4lk ', th ey would be writing the most bitter anti grievous satire the value of .J a v w e ci . o r a t, w n n o t t h ir e o d i n u c t r ,e ea i s n ed c h u y ha atl P , a i n i le i n 2s t i h m e r a c ' e r n n a n z t o . H i n t s ; t iest many of their late.acts, and would be doing much to He would conclude g b h y s. gone through so speedily in the other House. Thrnugh their loudly professed to desire. th i at d ' ay three mom love of justice they rob them of their property, and the Noble Ward the very thing which they so m h o f is w lng that the Bill be read a first time their Lordships were by the pi s; Ish ld thev adopt this PrinciPle with res ect to sugar s lips House, and at that eriod f the seseion, exhausted as Lord o w l t a to . opened the debate . , said to the unfortunate planters, e t , . ou . tit t i t n ie gu. pr , esent state of their Lord.. " Y i re a set of incapsbles " and therefore they Must intro es' With respeet to no other article which is p produced hy the ' otZ e dune machinery amongst them. There were few arguments, til t ` s e la.bour ? It was a perfect fatuity to attempt to stop the more than seven months which had now lasted . . for for it resulted from the position of parties. Sir R. Peel had 't h e trade by simply throwing a check upon sugar alone. whieh was come to by after the une.xpected decision passed the Corn Bill, certeinly ; but it was quite on different N e e l ha d. done no such thing. They had laid a low duty in niehts sinee, he should not, so faril, a o t us le e a u st po a n s h i h e e w a s ' s it e ! i e ti c c t e a t. n frz , grounds, and on the immutable principles of humanity. He , and to nt-rease the quantity which they received, and th e y g i se th e i r Lordships the, trouble ef dividi'ne, he would be con- was prepared fer chenges, but he was . not . prepar . ed to deal In t l a sacrifice of 800,000/. in order to ad m it t hi s same po l e tent to p l at ., u p on record thet he was one o'l those who had en- with them. He had been for a long time in conflict with the aid; cotton free. What has been the practice of this country entertained 'lia strongest and the grav es t ' o bj ec ti on . s t o the Bill, planters tif the West Indies, and therefore h . e had little syme to, h ep re aard to tobacco? Had they endeavoured to admit the lf, however, alit Noble Lord should think it ri g ht to divid e the pathy with them. He, however, loved justiee, and therefore teee e° „„of the United States at a lower duty than that of Cey. Heuse upon the Oueetion) he sheuld teel it his duty t o vote he could not but express his surmise when it was stated that t ee os e l a () ; but they had forbidden its production, both at against the Ball. . For his part he would say " No" to the first this measuie was introdtmed for their benefit. N . Otv, he lied et ett a,t l d in their colonies, in order that they might reading re this Bill. received a letter from a valued friend e frorn which it appeared ;eat, ant ed to lay a duty of twelve hundred per Lord DENMAN felt it to be an i operative duty which he that he ~h ad. l us d ed machi h nery. t N f ow there hail f be t e h n a great N ig °Pen tobacco comino frOrn the slave growing states. owed to tho , e with whom he bad been long connected, and to deal of s) . ress ~ ai upon t, sg . fac t o ,a _company w e! : ._ e manu t - t l hey ht, ai se, from which they expecte Iso much, and to which the peop eof Elgland. to declare his direct hostilitt to the prin- fsctu k re ot m d as ,, h . n f ery , in i thee. h en an ne e o a f J h e a ro l ai t e a t in h ia e c h e w i a n s th o a sin% e a made no objection, was equally cultivated by slave ciple of this Bei, believing it would encourage and stimulate wi i i t r d,in wo e u f e t r h s e , „te o n r th u itn e I rm a c was g cited s as an auth p ority ' on this ° ti the r 1701tuuegta.r: (Hear, hear)-and there were a great many the trade in human beings. There was no deubt T that south n s P ubject. That "'gentleman no longer thought thts measure op eatgotouttne s whi . ch were equa h lly . laborious to . be cultivated n i - ould be the necessary gesult of this measure. h . o f ta h lk h of i;ettl ess ow root is quite as . la_ °emus -indigo is more . litho- s.avery and slave trade wit . h other feelines than t ose 0 a or- prised to religion, to the Bible, and tn the existence of eolonies. o t t le t i et ititilf:•ar,_hear)-rice ie tnfi . nete e ly ea more destructive . of renee would be utterly impossible. The N . oble Lord who 'Diem was another fact which belonged to this subject, one b et op per Before he conclu f eled l he h woui me to th . e production opened the debate hae exp. owed Ills feelings in that manner ; whieh arose out of it-which was, that the West India mere clo,nts have refused to send out their supplies to the planters se_ ete eei P r° duce ; and first . o al f .d m T en h tton the cruel- hut lie (Lord Denman) thought it strange that parties profess izteleett t sett in the production o copper. e slav es were ing such principles should introduce a Bill calculated to mo- becanse . they believed this measure would so injure the planters, 'fled egether in the mines, and were scrupulously ex , . thAt ' t - hey could not (leveed upon them for tio ir supplies. Sir t ilt ' for f mote slavery. The Government now wished to reduce sug . ar 4 1 4t f ear o f t h e i r h avin g e : oncealed anrthip g . Wi t hi n one halfpenny per pound. and to increase the revsnue. God John Rae seta that the West Indians had a perfect right to done at the expense of the injured g !th ee e l' years th e y had received from 50 to 60,000 tons. forbid that it should be protectioo, and that protection should be stTo ded them. Then the whole argumen's dn g ltt n - " tr... eame to the 'production of coffee. They would con- a n d the helpless Africans who were riot represented in their Lot d Wougham contended, that t article and tet they Lordst Me' House. The Noble Lord then proce e ded t o r ea d ed 4 ,:eive large quantities of tha , . , faveur of the measure begun, co . ntintied, and ended hi this, t . hat s ; ugar will be reduced in puce. and brought within the t it ':e. -"\vreeceive one single ounce of sugar grown by the same g , ,roe extract s fr om th e resolutions of the British Anti-Slavery pa ty of •urchase to the pep de of this country-the price ilt tt t i o were the greatest dealers in the world in Soeiety, and co mm e n t e d up on that porti wi of those reiolutions La- uid be low ' ered, the uantity i would be augmented. Now 11l -e of stirrer, and sent out enormous qoantitie.s re f e r, ing to th e f a il ur e ot the m..ar“ which had been adopted i tri a 7eht a man of commr q m senee ask the Noble Lord at the t 'atts Pp nt erchandise in exchange for it. There were on the coaa of Africa for the suppression of the slave Board of Tratle how opening the ports for sugar of all kinds tit tO Y in rei could increase the supply by 30,000 tons cr hogsheads ? And %L i tt togm a r wa ;r ehouse fi s from 810,000 to 1,000,0 0 0 cats. trade. He did not think there had been an) fedure ; great how e as this increase to he provided for, thet was the questiort? ttn" q s, es. rs r . gr nd, after re ning it we ex orted it to our other good had resulted from the cruisers on ti.e coast. The Go -4;4 tair e .," this-the cruelty of the sla . p ire trade-the English vernment were now caling upon the c satry for p ol ' er t° There was but °tie conceivable way, which was by means of sla t v . e .h ry t . , The . execrable enermity, the greatest practical evil l i t l i k . i ) :: . z eve u __ th w e e mselves the opponents ot the slave trade. It make an innovation upon one of the greatest seeemes that had oe scot Id ha:l ever experienced, mtist be admitted as an o r 11 known that slave grown sugar was actually ever been se I su re would not only i w • li !" ' t on foot for the removal . of the feulest s. igma from 1 1 ' 1 bn - h Government he d hat es - th t rahis country under certain cir e umstances, and the facts of the earth. The Korner memo e d ;veal) ,in 1 . engsne for the cud ivanon o sugar, eeause t e e si ta dltt,erteeteett actually was admitted. He thought that he produce misery anieng the captured, but it, wou ..h tP use l is i hesl to have suear at a halfpenny a pound cheaper. Why, • 'd - C . ' ke ttn rdct ft e dth t . I it vs ' as said, dt tmyta .. co wl °, a i ~ e l , t an o erar ic es, eis: e • in . ( e - " in showing . that our virtue and morality con- to crime i n th ree . M I •catieering chats .ers .. t o g were eneaeed i tag: , ane r ;,,• ns 'lng one pahicular article fonn one particular in this worst ard toulest kind of whico were slave grown . ? ly sugar i l ou r not . bes compared afrl i atitp Z n litting the slave grown article from other places. Gevernment could b • justified in c erenencine this great ex: pirecy. lie ..ui got thinVthe with co. ton anti cotleei it to be sure was Vest India cultivation, t,ite k ;" thii l t -en tion at the bottom of all this, and were they not periment 4.f comp tit.un between free and slave labour, for It but that was all. Del gentlemen k . now that these . hegroes 4 11;),; e w e eltleih as they themselves were producers of the article, was hie o .inion that, for some years at . least, free labour would v.o re wo;kisal in a ga i ng in a lire. w i gth h the lash driving the tani n - Lang ep as ? too strong a competitiora ? Every cwt. of free be entirely driven from the market. It the, multiphed slave eeede•"Y of th t nat they consumed was replaced by an equal grown sugar, they muliplied slavery. He. could not . help . ' feeble to keep up wits the strong ? . e question at present was with regard to sinter, and it was no answer to lit y li no 80, s e slave grown article. Was it not wrong to pro- thinking, before this Bill wa s introduced, that they snnuld , taunt him with cotter' and coffins. Let them come the s b d he n ta oll fractio n of a principle, and call it their mora- have eiven the scheme of emig , :tion, as regarded India, the ' w i t h t h e g „ es ti nn o .' cotton and coffee to him, and he kib t e e ircii ii 7 a nity w hil e th e y i n di r ectly encouraged it under Mauritius, and other plattes, a fair trial. He wished to know ' 1; 1°4 to Ci at ance ' s? H e ai l te d their Lordships to give their whether it was intended to apply the principles of free I rade i reason t:•at another oriormous one sh uld be perpetrated. The would deal with them ; but because one evil existed, was no s ly t t l :d ST A t e N ßill. to what he believed would be a traffic in blemished and crime. sor e , his N o b i LEY said that it was necessary that he should There was no analogy bet - seen eorn and sugar, tor rine was , I duties on cotton and c , Tie still ex'sted, acd tha• was enough for him. ---e Hear, hear ) -and the ditty - made a material diff!r tioe ° l' th e ee e Friend opposite, who had just s at down, that the . produce of free and the other of slave labeur. lit did not . . ence. He would not point out those dreadfnl scenes which it t cir eohaoservations he had made required no corrobora- hesitate to express hts surprise et the time arid manner in which . , oceurred and made it painful to think that they helenged to to „, ° ,,,he h - irTaton from him, but at the time he held this measure was introduced. e tte ll e n s e r to - m.;_ iut Y to commence the observations he had The Marquis of LANSD iWNE said, that in the first place Ih : eme ' class of men mei thine mwereants who were employed ip .et the snei r T ~ , seornsni e by confirming to the fullest it was said that this measure at the presen; pPriod was intro- t , I , s the - slave traJe There Yves one instance in which a vessa of o i i s i eve s. mere th.in one half of whom perished b 4 hi ' Ls stat ement the P N - oble Lord made in commence dueed, not for discussien, but clecisien-f Hear, hear t-but • , t u f . I ) :) n the,.. ‘ th v ' o aee It - w - se ludicrous to cornea. et he slave system, as ki,,o theO„:erlations.-( Hear, hear. ) However unusual had he would say that her Majecy's Gevernment would not he c - arried 1 I narri e ed on ). Jn . the :ktriesn ' eoast with the Amerivan da.ve trade. tort ur e d g r t arse j o le h t h -Opted in introducing the discussion, it was doing . their duty if they ail , ' sed that seesio , n to pass without o ,_ ' in hat ne was nein , to state with regard te the African slave ' Ise:stohl e ce consent, and in part tor the convenience, of . securing her Majesty's subject a an increased aeo . t.vaoge of sugar trade was net sissr;lv his opinion, non newts hit 8 ! , ),,,t , ; it- we , (N av in' nt ot Zds on his side of the House. He concurred I from this souree . .-( Hear, hear. ) They were justiped, by f t t h ie , , the opinion of tor own »pgotiator, his flight lion. Friend Dr. t ile n un ' settled Friend, that it was desirable to have the I frequent discusnons 'het 14,1 . tek. n place on thesehject. ant e . L•i.hii , gton, who had prayed him mit ti, delay urging the th et s i tece tt i or , for the benefit of trade, and for the benefit of I the speec . hes that were deovered, eontamitig arguments Tiu.t twcessity of doing away with the al rangements for putting se t e tw o Y Wale's of the country ; but, with the exception of I brought iprward for the first time 'tow, bat such as had heen eth tit ' i nts he d' down tl- . .e sieve trade on ihe coast of Africa Dr. Lushineton eill ng 'or a tin 1 id . not agree with a sinele princiele of his i urged agaihe and h again f . The preeeding measures - . ere inade chereea these who were favourable to 11. e prowl:At, of this Pas se en to en g'e doctrine which he had held out. They were ! quate for t yir o wet, o , r he con ended tnat, notwolistanding . measure. with being . he. RC , OIlipl , CeS , f alt the tortures whi c h tied _dthr ougg ae to a decision on a measure which had been 1 the unpagalimed expel me t e the. had tsken ol me there eas left were it,flieted on the poer neerees employed in the cul.ivatien qee s all Itte e ' o ane House of Commons in a short space of time; no berieh i t d tor t. ar . iy larrii ,. ua , l. ;h ie fact, there only . retwained of 01 , 1: ; arid i; w; , ...i the opinion of that high authority. tint nee`a rt ten p ,„r e no warning, to adjudicate upon this important a fancifu is : : :1 11 e: e m u s:, of ea a it i n a . r r o...- . r is . censu ner cif this coma ry those'indivatuals weie ko much guilty of feleny as these who iw degotra,n present Governmee; • Li had i the year 1841 leable to te p e e s _ _. , um than by the o. dinery , , -e q 4 eilt p' " a questi 1 • floe:. oet the vestels, & ~, ~. g ot far the eat - ruing on the infernal te d ar d ome on re attire to protection, and time sub- rate of tra t de h f , h y ou . I 4 be call d u on to ia. • fir the, still this a B t th". NT 'I P I } ' nt had confirmed the (minim' of the old one, the coneumgeon o i s . g a a i r. t. . a t, ) : . 100 e I,prd who sppke • traffic in hurnan beings. lie had now diseharged a du.yr which he was most aexiou; to perform. He had been long engaged tee te , t for mer e s; i l t: . Parliament hail tu rne d re un d and oepmed smolt in deo tr , d ha, e . a.i . t yi ,L Y ,, , L1 D 5....; tILJ :., . I , e ti tt . th it is . p . o the . prie- , , in the cause of freedom to . the poor negro. It was as a titles - ou'ITI , .as the gTogpus-on what ground ?-why, that they Mole of f• egetra. e, wHfel i . of le , ' e c is, '''.` ~ i ss ; '," 1 ":1 , e t , h • . lion of slavery, and en; tit slave trade. that his looked upon to, " I 'd e let th, " ri bi t Lord had said, appear consistent, and not c iiisumer habes '0 pay a(.,). ', , '. ' , 1 .:,. 1. ' it . i ''!'; .a' ic l ina l t ' s this ineasure. lie w.'a iOl ; that slave labeur could e ever enter Aly _?nythi„_ll,esuctple which on a late decision they had come of free t retie assert that .ei . .40 .. iii i i.7,, , r.:ie , . v. t h o t , e . 1:1 1 t : " s it-ll" - ' i n to cempetiti en eteh fr.- I,hour. He admitted that, but , h ut 7tetahrdth;gpriinseiciaillelsedefforf t e h a t n a th i e present measure to com- any revenue ?, Aldth_ e e r y i s ', : ,: s , g: , ... -i: i g., . , t , a j i t , , , e a r t ,:. r ti r ~ t g o r e e ~, t; o pc i , t r i . .. •, , , „ 1.1.1 teethe 110 t be the ca e tiele,s two de•criptions of labour z erk ; I to hethci%t pr.ices were to berlowehreedn, e t v h e a r t h i e m ar p d .o . rt d T u ti tf es e y s I , l. i : ti t 7 if rn i o nlr , a ,. , vi e h y 0i i ; ; ... tt l t, - . 1 . n t i t-ii: Neble Friend ought re ' .' n ; one must not nave previleges which t w h e „ re ,it t i n ie t r h , r i‘ s i a n nr ; i t • 1 , p 0 i 5 ;:. , , , 54. ( ; i;_ar, he, r. _ tie ik e tan unted toisbeed The uess en the inferor articies o have , e nembered, wl.e . n le. t-,1k.. , d i 1 i l . loe. : l i slie.l eV er-n r it , s. ) There was an end to ttse areumsnt ahetit •lasor labour being able to c. meete with Nen - s . uPer mr descr' °°' per cent. ad valorem, and thus that Eeeiisli rill's - uP .''''' I . h 'i r t ule,t- ,' .r -z ~.. ,i n t t. t. e . i s, , u_,e , ir e tulle s they we., put upo n a p irallel. He little thoug .t, l '°tre r - " the infeipti on o f t ea was released at the el r'.e le - st year there ere tfif-t-t -.). th" t''"f h 14], ...•,`'. ",") tt:" I ;, ; it. atter. ali ilia , ha i te , en dole in the cause 0' hu md"''Y i'Y ori t, ciasos eons estor clgsses of tea, the artistles which the :a,mee m e1%,,e. • o „ .„. et ., ho m e, it ;rem In t o Jam tro tie- I..e.eislatuos of th s temetrs, he shouht have lived to see the to ? o ar would ee :tined. fhe duty a hich would be charged i e Ruoia a- wed as to ,‘u stria. ti e di, contend .1 , - v g , ~ i , n he sheunl Ms oeliged to rise 1» tile place in Parli me tre de ller cent. '' He lmut I4s. on what cost3os., ellich amoutitid that they ( he t I', , err. , t , '..t , in in'reauceng . th'l Preet - mt n ,,,, t t or th e pe• pose of idotouneme a liberal Ggoirrirmnt for Itouleere Irstr,,thic,4lco.n,,idert.d that if the decirele• ot free eieasiire -veto dimin , li s leve-i•neve aed in,res.: free n eroA . n , encourazing, the hosrible traffic in hum in souls. 1. the words 5.., eivelve the fi and c arr i e d praene e lly into effect. they -ue, r. The, W.. 1.. 4S the aleble Lord epeosife, from . tes : t. Lt,it ih, fiances of t of Lnrd Ceief Justice of Erie' aid, the couiluct of tee Govern he ceuritry i.: ineephe a m e con f u ie,io n i a i knooitilize, was a...‘ are, a distrositiota le Clitia agionst w hat, 0 ,, a thsy were told that sugar was a I writ was tnost extraordinary arid unjust. This Bill was tine - t° l lopoly i menopoly. elave-grown eueSr, and in 131 eza in tamer of . free trade in doubted') a measure which would have the effect of encourag. s n whtch umeteen stet • es winpeted with each sugar. His Nuble Friend had said that there bad been a great . --_ TH SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY MORNING, AUGUST 11,' 1846. 1 ing the slave trade, and as such he should certainly say "Not cnntent” to it. Eerl GREY then rose and said that the Noble and Learned Lord had complained that the speech of his Noble Frieed(Lord Stanley) had not been answered. but when the results of that evening's proceedinee would ge firth to the public, they would be able to say whether or not that speech had been answered. Pear, beer.) But if it had not been answered, he (Loid Grey) world psesurre to make an attempt to answer the speech. He weuld appeal to their Lordships whether the Noble and Learned Lord who bed just sat down had, during the whole of the time in which he had occupied their Lordship? attention, R educed one single argument against the measure. He had certainly. after his usual enstom, entertained them with many j o kes. This measure he (Earl Grey) contended would benefit the whole of the British popnlation, and ought their Lordships, without serious argumeets hiing brought forward against, re jset the Bill, and thus deprive the people of this country of that proper supply of cheap sugar to which they were entitled. Had any Noble Lord yen tired to submit that we were bound to exclude the else of slave-grown articles as much as we should stolen goods ? Not one had done that. Indeed, one of the Noble Lords opposite had admitted that such conduct would be an act of nothing less than Quixotic benevolence. They a:ready had slave-grown coffee, &e. A few years ago the duty on the article of coffee (in the cultivation of which slaves were employed) was materially reduced. Copper ore, too, was introduced under a reduced duty at the very time that the Noble and Li arned Lord himself was in the Cabinet. But the Noble and Learned Lord ( Lord Brougham) was as slippery as an eel ; there was no catching him ; he said that he knew nothing about this introduction of copper, and vet he re gularly sat in that House every n ght, and must have been cog nisant of the whole of the proceedings.—( Hear, hear.) The effect of their reduction on the slave-grown article of coffee was an increase of 34,300,00011e5. per annum. That reduction had been sanctioned by the Noble and Learned Lord, and yet that reduction had, according to the Noble and Learned Lord's argument. tended to the increase of the sieve trade, but of all these reductions on slave-grown articles, he professed a happy ignorance—be pretended to know nothing about them. —( Hew, heir, and laughter.) He hail in his hand a return of the refined sugar, and he found that in 1845 they had exported 273,000 cwt. of refined sugar, and that 50,000 cwt. of it was sent to the British colonies Their Lordships should remem ber that 99 of that in every 100 was slave-grown sugar. It was the rankest delusion that ever was attempted to be palmed off upon the country ; in fact those who had been gulled by it had become ashamed of it. He fully and entirely denied that the measure would encourage the slave trade, and he would endeavour to show them that by passing this measure they would go far to put an end to it. He conceived, that if they proclaimed by their conduct that free labour was not able to compete with slave labour, they would be doing a vast injury to the cause. Such was not the language of Mr. Wilberforce—sech was not the language of the anti-slavery party. He, for his part, still believed that free labour, properly encouraged, would be able to cempete with slave labour. It. was his opinion that India would yet banish slavery from the market; and even with regard to the West Indies. he did not hold the gloomy and desponding views which some gentlemen took upon the question. On the contrary, his expectations were cheered by the knowledge of the facts which he had stated. The West Indians would now know what they were to encounter, and they were not so desponding as the Noble Lord ; on the contrary, they were luckily them selves up for their tasks, nor did they fear it. These reports would most admirably t epay their Lordships' perusal. It showed that it was only by men, whose intelligence had been developed, who had received the truths of Christianity. that they could expect to receive the due amount of labour.—( Hear, hear.) The Council of Jamaica had adopted that principle, and were carrying it out in prac tice. The company who was about establishing a manufactory for machinery in Jamaica was sneered at. It had been said that it had existed long before this measure was introduced, but there was nothing in the horizon which portended the coming event. This measure would introduce a division of labour; for it would give rise to a demand for several agents, who were not now in existence, and who could not possibly exist under a state of slavery.—( Hear, hear.) He believed that there was a great number of planters ready to take up this subject, and proceed upon it with vigour. The intention was to put all parties on an equal fooling The reason they did not sweep away at once these differential duties was, that they apprehended that some financial difficulty would arise ; but the Noble Lord at the head of her Mejesty's Government would gladly avail himself of any plan by which this could be avoided. Lord BROUGHAM said he had a right to explain. The Noble Lord had stated that his opinion on tnat subject was one that no man woman, or child, in the country, would care for. But it would surprise the House to learn that the Anti-slavery 'society had selected him to present a petition to their Lord ships, and asked him to sign his name to one of their petitions. The cl arge that had been made against him was unfounded, for he had given his assistance to his Noble Friend the Earl of Ripon on this question, and when the Noble Lord was pre vented, by an accident, attending in his place in the House, the whole weight of the business fell upon him. He thought that the Parliamentary reform being before the House in 1831 was sufficient to occupy the attention of their Lordships. Lord ASHBURTON said he wished to know if this measure applied to shipping. Earl GREY said, that was a question embracing such com prehensive topics that with their Lordships' permission he would decline answering the question. With respect to en gagements, the reason of the term being fixed at a year was that it should be of that durati.tn which would not induce them to break it. What they proposed was, to give the colonial Governments an opportunity of coming to an arrangement satisfactory to the parties employed. That, however, was a matter to he settled by the colonial authorities, rather than to be attempted to be regulated by her Majesty's Government Lord ISHBURTON said, that taking away all protection from the colonies was a subject eo important to the public at large that they should be acquainted with the intention of Government. Earl GREY stated the Government would, of course, propose to remove the differential duties. Lord STANLEY said that under the British possessions an uniform rate of duty was fixed for all the colonies, and he thought it right, under all the circumstances of the case, the provisions ni that Bill should be adhered to. Earl GREY said that, so far as allowing the colonies un restricted competition was concerned, the Government had made up their mind on the subject. Lord STANLEY wished to know whether the colonies were to have the power of levying duties, according to their awn different and conflicting interests, or whether an uniform rate of duty should be enforced upon the colonies ? Earl GREY—No Bill was not yet prepared upon that subject. Lord STANLEY thought it too bad that a Bill on so im portant a subject should be brought forward after the 12th of August. Lord DENMAN wished to know whether the cruisers on the coast of Africa were to be continued. Earl GREY—Certainly, After a few words from Lord STANLEY and Earl GREY on the subject of differential duties, The Bill was read a first time. • It was then arranged that the amendment of Lord Stanley should be put upon the motion for the second reading, instead of upon the first reading, in accordance with the motion of the House, and out of courtesy to the House of Commons. The Ear' of CLARENDON then moved that the Bill be read a second time on Thursday next. Lord STANLEY moved, as an amendment, that the Bill be read that day three months. He was anxious that his objection should appear on the records of the House, Several other Bills were Then forwarded a stage, and their Lordships adjourned at Half past One o'olock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, August 10. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'clock, when Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR, being introduced by Lord Marcus Bill and the Attorney-General, took the oaths and his seat for Chester. BATTERSEA PARK. The Bill fir this undertaking was read a !hird time and passed. GAUGE OF RAILWAYS BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. THIRD READINGS. The following Bitls were also read a third time:—Bishop of Jerusalem's Naturalization Bill—Bi s h o p of Norwich (North Llynn R dory) Estate Bil—Borthwick's Estate Bill—Clark's Divorce Bill— Lowestoft Charity Estate Bill—Niattbyssens' Divorce Bill—Percherton's (or Gervi , 's) Estate Bill. DRAINAGE OF LAND. Mr. GREENE brought up the report on this Bill. STANDING ORDERS. Mr. HUME ro'e to move the resolutions, of which he had given notic3, for the amendment of the standing orders, which are to the following effect:— " 1. That public general Acts should be prepared for each of the several subjects of police and watching, of waterworks and sewage, of paving, of improvement of towns and regulation of buildings, streets, and roads, of markets and fairs, of cemeteries, of bridges and ferries, of harbours, docks, ports, piers and quays, of canal', rivers, and navigation, as recom minded in the report of the Select Committee on Private Bills, embodying, as far as possible, the suggestions th reof. " '2. That, as recommended in the said report, provision should be made in the preparation of these public general Ae , s, by which parties, desiring to avail themselves of them, be afforded the means of carrying their projects into execution under tho authority and supervision of one of the public bo .rd. or departments, without the necessity of applying to Parliament, on a principle similar to that which has been already carried into effect by the Act 3 and 4 Will. 4, c. 90, for Lighting Towns in England; by the Act 9 Geo. 4. c. 82, fur Lighting Towns. &c. in Ireland; and by the Act 3 and 4 Will. 4, c 46, for Police in Scotland. "3. That with the view of an immediate saving of time and expense in the proof of standing orders, in the ensuing session of Parliament, the proof of standing orders, now taken before• the Sub.Cmcmittees, shall be taken before an officer or officers,. to be appointed by Mr. Speaker, and such officer shall com mence his sittings for that purpose on the Ist day of January,. 1847. " 4. That the standing orders of the House should be im— mediately revised, as regards the proof of the standing orders for private Bills to be given before such officers appointed by. could be assimilated. borough, parish, t h e rowers, or acting under the Mr: Speaker. " 5. That it would be productive of great advantage in privates legislation, if the standing orders of the two Houses of local Act or Acts, shall apply to Par liament, relating to private Bills, i ll for new and amended powers anal company, err "6. That when any city, other parties, invested with provisions of any existing h, parish, or district, to the Board Parliament for a new B provisions, with reference to the same matters, it shall be ins.- perative on the promoters to send their new Bill, together A c ts, tocether with the new on. with all previous existing Acts then in force on the same stslO ject With in the eit• , h.roug ;ions sought for, should be conso. - of Trade, which shall report to the House whether, in their opiiiion, the new Bill should be allowed to proceed, or whether place, with reference to the same all the existing Acts should be repealed, and the powers anti !i rd ro , v t i i s d i o o d ns p o o f w, si T i s ch ao r d ep i e ,r a o le v d i liilat.-d, to the intent that only ens local Act shall be in force art shall be introduced or department, to which he ,are time, in the same object.. board town, 7. That after the next session of Parliament no private Bill for power to establish waterworks and sewage, police a io n: 4 o 7 h a i t s ch i i i n o g o , so im o l o ir t r i f i ve , the ties . f Bills to which it belongs has been referred shall, as revel-mm.ll(l.qt in the said report, have maTle a previous local exatuin aloe by compel eet aid respetisihle insp ctot s and public officers, at the expense of the promoters of the Bill, in a mode andlogou, to that adopted by the Tithe, the Inclasure Com micsions, &e., and that these public bards should be empow ered to appoint, and employ such public inspectors and public officers. i m ie t 7u o li f lic a "S. That the recommenda'ion in the said report, as to the taxati in of the costs of parties promoting or opposing prix ate Bills, be also adapted ; „,-,,1 that a pece , er taxing officer shot ild be appointed, and a scale of fees, costs, and charges be anti ho rised and published by Mr. Speaker. 9. That the taxi :g officer .hall present to the House, at • the coi.mence.eent of each session, an account of the total mot int of the expenses tor promoting or oopesing each Bill taxed and sanetioved by hint during the i receding session, distinguishing th e amount paid as fees on each Bill to each of the Houses of Parliament, the amount for witnesses and other expenses,• and for erofessional services." The a option of these resolutions would have the effe !et .of erVicating the great evil of the delay of businms whit b was now so grieveuTy felt, and which by the mass of private busi ness that was brought before the House was become ins offer , able. It would also have the effect of saving the time 9f no less than fifty Members during the whole period of the session. Daring the present session it bad frequently occurred thst as many as two hundred witnesses had frequently been examined on one private Bill. Since the Union, not less than 9,400 private Bills had been passed by Parliament, while the public k3ills amounted to only 5,300. Now, according to the present system, many places were saddled with insufficient and expen sive local Acts for a number of years. By taking the plan pro. posed by those resolutions the evil would be remedied. flany of these—indeed most of those Bills called private Bills—were in fact public Bill, as much as those which were caked so. He would refer all the Bills to some responsible department of Government, so as to save the expense arid the trouble from every Bill peing before a Committee of Standing Orders. He would also propose that the orders of both Houses of Parlia ment should be assimilated. There was a Committee of the other House now sitting, and he was quite sure that every willingness would be shown to meet their Lordships' views, and thus the once proving of compliance with the standing orders would he sufficient. Another object he had to serve was the saving that confusion which now arose from there being a number of local Acts for one place. He proposed that when any corporate body applied for an Act of Parliament that they should be obliged, in the first instance, to make their application to the Board of Trade, by whom the merits of the case should be investigated, and if they thought it necessary such corporate body should be compelled to consolidate all their previous Bills, so that there should be only one Bill for one object for each particular place; thus there should be only one Police Bill, one Water-rate Bill, or one other Mil for any one place. The next object was to save the expense to clients who applied for Acts. This was the only tribunal in the country without a taxing officer, and he would have such an officer appointed, whose business it should be to ascertain what the fair and necessary charges should be. Again, he would have all the Bills drawn in one particular form, so as to s-cure uniformity and save the money of the ap plicants. He had alluded to all the points because he did not expect to speak of them again. He would conclude by moving the first resolution. Lord EBRINGTON seconded the motion. Lord GRANTILLE SOMERSET objected to the whole of these resolutions being carried at once, and to the weight of the Government being brought to bear on them. Sir GEORGE GREY could not agree to what had just fallen from the Noble Lord. Although he would net give his approval of the whole of them, he did not object to the two first. The resolution was then earned. On the second resolution being read, Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET objected also to this re solution as being likely to give excessive power to the several departments of the Government, and also in some instances to local authorities. Sir GEORGE GREY could not assent to this view of the case, for he conceived that in the country all local Acts would be proposed and considered in public vestries, and they would therefore have the sanction of the inhabitants generally. Mr. ET WALL conceived that the object of the lion. Member for Montrose (Mr. Hume) was to save expense, and that he would refer all his Bills to the several departments of the Government under whose cognizance they would fall, if the object was not to be carried out by a Bill. This, he thought. would prove expensive. Mr. HUME was quite ready to restrict the extent of the meaning of the resolution, by striking out the parentheiis which would have the effect of keeping the public business to two departments—the Admiralty and another, beside the Board of Trade. Lord G. SOMERSET conceived this would have the effect of giving Government the power to tax the public locally, which was a proceeding he would decidedly oppose. Lord EBRINTON thought, that, as he had been on the Committee which proposed the resolutions, he might state, that wherever feasible, all the local Acts should be modelled in some general Act. Mr. HUME explained that wherever a local Act was re quired, it was intended to send down a Commis , ioner to the place requiring it, and if he ascertained that two-thirds of the inhabitants were favourable that they should have the advan taze of Parliamentary aid without the mischief of an expensive contest. The general Act on which they proposed to base these Acts was the 3 and 4 W. IV. c. 19. After a few words from Lord M ORP ET PI, indicating his ap prehension of the phrateolcgy of the resolution, Mr. T. DUNCOM BE said that, however evident might be the intention of the sentence, it was not sufficiently expressed, and he would suggest that the whole of the resolutions be with drawn for a day or two, to be made more perfect, as the House was evidently favourable to their object. Mr. HUME referred the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Duncombe) to the report of the Committee, which specified the course to be adopted with respect to these local Bills. The cautious course pointed out would prevent any of the evils which the Hon. Gentleman anticipated would arise under the resolution. After a short discussion, Mr. HUME consented to withdraw No. 2, on the ground of its being virtually included in the first, and it was withdrawn accordingly. The third resolution being proposed, Sir GEORGE GREY said it was framed in exact accord an,e with the reports of the Standing Orders' Committees of both Houses of Parliament, and would, in his opinion, obviate much expense and inconvenience, in addition to saving the time of a number of Members of Parliament, because the duties now assigned to them, and from which they suffered much in e-nvenience, would be performed by a competent officer, or officers. Lord G. SOMERSET agreed with the resolution, but con sidered that the lst of February would be preferable to the Ist of July. Mr. 13UN1E had intended to have left out the month at which the officer should commence his labours, but he inserted July at the wish of an Hon. Member. lie had no objection to leave out the month, and to leave the time the officer should commence his labours to be named by the Speaker. The resolution so amended was then agreed to. The fourth resolution was next proposed, and, after a short discussion, agreed to. No. 5 was agreed to. Not. 6 and 7 were next proposed. Lord MORPETH said that he thought that no Bill for waterworks should be proposed or brought forward next ses sion unless proper notice were given to the Board of Trade, in order that patties might be sent to see the place and report to the Committee en the Bill. He should propose to introduce a Bill to that effect. Mr. HUME consented, under those circumstances, to withdraw resolution No. 7. Resolution No. 6 was then agreed to. On resolution No. 8 being proposed, Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET thought that this reso lution, if carried, would lead to much confusion and trouble. If the taxing officer were to tax all costs incurred before Par liamentary Committees, it would be necessary to go much more into detail with r?gard to his functions. Sir G. GREY said he thought that the duties of the officer were not sufficiently specified, and he thought that the Hon. Member had better withdraw it, in order that an Act, which mizht go more into details, might be brought in. Mr. HUME said if the Right Hon. Baronet would promise to bring forward any more specific measure, and promise to give the matter his consideration, he was content to leave the management of it in the hands of Government. Sir G. GREY intimated that no legislation on the subject could take place this session. Mr. HUME said that he did not expect it. After some further conversation, _ _ Mr. HUME consented to withdraw the resolutions 8 and 9, on the understanding that the subject should come under the consideration of the House at an early period next session. Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from Birmirwham, in favour of the Small Debts Bill, with the exception of clause 55. Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition against carrying out the punishment of death against the marine recently con demned to death for striking his Fuper 'or officer. FLOGGING IN THE ARMY. Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE moved for a return of persons flogged in the army in Great Britain and Ireland, in the years 1845 and 1846 to the end of July, specifying—l. The offence. 2. The regiment, the place of station, the time. 3. The sen tence. 4. The order for its execution. 5. Whether the trials were open to the public, or only open to the regiment, or w ith closed doors. 6. The number of lashes inflicted, and the day. 7. How soon after punishment the man was able to re turn to his duty, and at what place he was then quartered. 8. Wh-ther death has followed within twelve months of the flogging, and the date of such death. 9. Whether the punish. ment was inflicted, if in cavalry regiments, by the trumpeter or farrier ; if in infantry regiments, by the privates or drummers, and with what instrument. 10. Copies of the surgeon's mi nutes of all such punlshments, and any subsequent observations on their consequences.—Agreed to. POOR•LAW COMMISSIONERS. . _ Mr. HUCIE gave notice that he would move a series of re solutions on Thursday next in reference to the conduct of the Poor-law Commissioners. The Hon. MEMBER also moved for a copy of the existing tariff in the island of Ceylon, stating the name of every article imported and exported, the rate of duty charged, and the amount of duty received on each article ; also, the aggregate amount of revenue, distinguishing that on imports and ex ports in each of the three years 1842,1843, and 1844. Agreed to. IMPROVEMENT OF THE SHANNON. Mr. F. FRENCH wished to ask a question of the Hon. Member for Sheffield (Mr. Ward) in reference to the im provement of the river Shannon. It was whether he would have any objection to the production of the instructions given to the Commissioners of Public Works, as to whether it was or improvement of not expedient for them to proceed with the of the river till such time as the Government had decidaJ improvements suggested they were willing or not to allow the suggested to take place? Mr. WARD said, as the matter on which information was sought did not strictly come within his jurisdiction he would consult with the proper parties, and give au answer to-morrow or the next day. Mr. HUME moved for a table of the number of articles im ported, in classes, in the year 1844, showing the number of articles imported free ; the number producing from 100!. to 1991.; the number producing from 500!. t o 9991 . ; t h e num ber producing from 1,000;. to 4,9991. ; the number producing from 5,009/. to 50,000/. ; the number producing above 50,0001. ; and th e t o t a l amoun t o f d uty received from each class, and the aggregate amount of all the classes. A similar return of exports, in classes.--Agreed to. MILLI3AN K. PRISON. On the motion for the order of the day for a Committee of Supply being read, Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE rose to move for a Select Com mittee to inquire into the treatment of prisoners confined since 1843 in the Alillbank privet, as well as into the conduct of the Governor and officers thereof, and to repert their opinion, with the evidence to the House. The Honourable Gen tleman commenced by a review of his previous proceedings in relation to this prison, and complaining of the way in which the Government had met his proposition for inquiry. His report on that occasion, which in the main was correct, though not in a'l its details, had ben cut out of the Times newspaper, and hawked about the Alillbank prison, with the object of getting up a counter-statement, in order to meet the allegations he had made. Instead of going in this underhand way to work, they ought to have at once institu.ed a full and sati s f actory inquiry into the whole mode in which that establishment was conducted. Cases of cruelty and togging of the severest character had been alleged against the officers of the prison. and as yet no step had been male to meet the charges. Ati attempt on the part of the office rs to inflict corposal punish ment for the offence ftr which the two men to whom he re fer' ed cn the previous occasion had been flogged was illegal. Bs referring to the Act of Parliament on which the institution was founded, they would find that if a man attempted to as sault the governor. he was to be p rosecute d i n t h e usua l war for the offence , and might be punished with two years' impri flogging, as th e C ourt m i g h t di rect. I t was sonment, or with not, then fore. in the hands of the officers of the prison that the punishment was placed, but i n th e C our t b e f ore whom the prisoner was tried. Besides, the cat with which Bunvon and the other man were flogged was illegal. Why fleggicg in the army was mercy itself c o mp areo to b e ing flogged with such a cat. He had a pattern of the cat, which contained enormous knots, anti he wa s i n f orme d th a t th ere n ever was a raore disgusting scene than when Bunyan was flogged with it. The other man, Cotterel, received sixty lashes from the same cat, and he, having been formerly a soldier, declared that he had received 150 lashes when in the army, but that the flogging was a joke to that which he re ceived at Millbank. Instead of being then taken to the infirmary, he was taken to his prison. He ( Mr. Duncombe) considered such conduct was cruel in the extreme. Mr. Baker, in his second petition, referred to these com plaints. The chaplain himself said that the sentence was a very severe one. The governor admitted that he put these boys in question upon bread and water for seven days. Then, as to suicides ; there had been sixteen attempts at suicide in the pritun during the last three years, and four had succeeded in putting an end to their existence—making twenty altogether. it this, no doubt, resulted from the cruel treatment of the governor. The prisoners at Alillbank amounted to 1,00(►.. and it was said that four suicides out of such o. number was not extraordinary ; but he contented that, considering the inmates of the prison had no faciltics for self-murder afforded to them, the number was most extraordinary. The system ,af treatment of criminals then Waci mo!t vicious and cruel, when it compelled them to seek for death as a refuge. Then, again, in consequence of the un healthiness of the prison, and the had food on which the in mates were fed, the cases of death were innumer- ahie. The medical gentlemen admitted that fact. Within the last three yews 300 of the inmates of Millbank had to he removed to a more healthy s!tuation and fort}-eight of them had died. The inquests that were held on these persons he asserted were not full and fair inquiries into the cautes of these deaths. Both coroners and jurors failed to do their duty ; they had not recorded it as their opinton that ;the parties on whose bodies they sat had been actually murdered by the inhuman treatment of the governor at the prison in question. In conclusion, he would merely remark that if he had not on a former occasion, when he brought this subject under the attention of the House, made out a good case, he had at least done so now. What the Govern ment intended to do in reference to this question he knew not, but he could say, in answer to the objection that the Right Honourab!e Baronet the Secretary of State for the Herne Department had made on a previous occasion, that that gentleman had a complete power of controlling the conduct of the governors of prisons. The House of Commons, he felt confident, would demand a reform of the present abuses in our prisons.—( Hear, hear.) They had at length penetrated the walls of Somerset House, and found out the black doings perletrated there by the Poor law Commissioners, and so it would be with regard to the go►ernors of our prisons. He hoped that the Bight Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Dqartment would not object to the appointment of the Committee, which should not hold it, sittings, as had been previously done, withintbe precincts of the prison, because the inmates would, whilst in the presence of the governor, be too much influenced from fear to state the whole truth. The Hon. Member concluded by moving the appointment of a Select Committee of the House to inquire into the abuses he had Mr. WILLIAMS gladly seconded the resolution of the Honourable Member for Finsbury. He felt confident that a Committee of the House would be a much better tribunal than any commission which they could appoint. As the House was aware, scarcely any of their commissions had failed to give satisfaction. With regard to the abuses, he contended that it. was the duty of her Majesty's Go vernment to show a most anxious wish on their part to remedy them by agreeing to a Committee of the House, with a view of making a full inquiry into, and ulti mately removing them. Notwithstanding the unhealthiness of the prison at Milbank, and the coarse and meagre fare allowed to the inmates. That prison cost this miuntry no less a sum Own a million pounds sterling per annum. lie hoped, in conclusion. that the Government and the House would agree to the motion. The SPEAKER having put the question, Sir GEORGE GREY said that the inquiries which hal been made into the conduct of the governor of the prison in question since the matter was last mooted in the House had not been conspleted, and that was the reason why a com plete report had not been presented by him to the House. lie admitted, with the Han. Member for Finsbury, that it was most painful to see the unseemly disputes that were at ' present taking place between the Governor of Milbank and the gentlemen who had been appointed to investigate into the alleged abuses. He requested the House on the last occasi when this question was before the House to suspend their judgment until a full report of the whole case was before them, and he had now to make the same request. He must certain!)- admit that after the 'assertion of the Hon. Member, to the effect that he could prove his charges, a further inquiry had become indispensable.—(llear, hear.) Under the general powers vested in the Crown with regard to the inspection of prisons, he must advise the Crown to issue a Commission for the purpose of making inquiry into the charges* This would be a better course than appointing a Committee of that House. This being the case, he would abstain frem re ferring to the charges made in the petition. He did not, how ever, think that the charges against the governor were Lorne out, and he thought that the investigation, if the Commission was granted, would fully prove the falsehood of the imputations. He hoped that the result of the Commission would be equally satisfactory to all parties. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE would now withdraw his motion, and in doing so he hoped that the Commission would be conducted in such a manner as to give fair play to all parties. If not, he would feel it to be his duty to bring the matter again be- tore th House. BOARD OF ORDNANCE. On the order of the day for going into Committee on the Ordnance Estimates being read, Mr. HUME moved the following resolution—" That a Se lect Committee be appointed, to inquire into the conduct of the Board of Ordnance, in their refusing to inquire into al leged malversation of the public stores by officers et that depart ment, and into the cause and manner of dismissal of Daniel Tonor, a pensioner for good service in the Artillery, from her Majesty's service, without allowing the said D. Tonor to be pre sent at the Court of inquiry, or to be heard on his own defence.' The only charge against Daniel Tonor was, that en coming into the pay-office he was desired by one of the clerks to take ff his hat. He refused, however, to do so, as not being in accordance with usage to do so. This individual was afterwards dismissed on this trumpery charge, which ought never to have been made, as it is even now not customary to take off their hats in that office. It appeared also that twenty-three pieces of ordnance were stolen from the arsenal at Woolwich, and that Board afterward refused to inquire into the malversation. al tin ugh Daniel Tonor offered such information as would tend to the detection of the culprits. He complained of the depart ment not being conducted in a proper manner, and he thought that a committee of inquiry was necessary. He would, there fore, move that a Committee be appointed to investigzte all the circumstances. _ _ _ _ -- - Colonel PEEL said the motion of the Hon. Member con tained two serious charges against the late Master Gauen] of the Board of Ordnance. First, fur refusing to inquire into al leged malversatien of the public stores, and the dismissal of Daniel Tonor without being heard in his own defence. As to the first a Committee of inquiry was appointed b• the Board, Lill the evidence was heard and examined into, and Mr. Jones, for certain irregularities, was dismissed the service. Daniel Tonor was heard as prosecutor, and towards the close of the inquiry he was asked whether he had any other charges against Mr. Jones, and the answer was, " Not at present,"—or wether he had any charge against any other individuals in the service, and he said, " None whatever." Till the present time he (Colonel Peel) had not heard of this offer by Daniel Tonor. As for the second charge, two letters were sent by the clerk of the pay-office to the civil officer, com plaining of incivilities on the part of Daniel lonor ; that he alone, when an order had been made that all the labourers, in corning into the office, should take off their hats, refused to comply with it. The case was referred to the Board at Woolwich, and Lord Bloomfield, on nearing it, ordered that Daniel Tonor should be imme diately suspended; and, as he (Colonel Peel) thought, pro perly so, when insubordination was manifested in the service. He said he had stated the facts of the case, and would certainly not object to the appointment of a Committee of Inquiry. Colonel FOX said that he believed the late Board ILA acted most properly in a case of such gross insult, and that the pre sent Board would have acted in precisely the same way. Mr. HUME said that the Gallant Gentleman (Colonel Peel) had made no answer or explanation about the refusal et evidence offered by Toner in the case of the theft of the pieces of ordnance. Colonel PEEL said the Hon. Member asked why there was no inquiry matte ; a letter was sent to the storekeeper, the storekeeeper directed him to address his letters to the secretary of the board, which was the only regular way. Mr. HUME said he had a letter of the 29th January, re fusing to hear evidence on it. Captain PECHELL said this motion reminded him of several petitions presented by himself from a gentle man at Fort William, who had in vain requested a Board, in order that he might substantiate some charges of malversation by a certain barrack-master at Fort William. He could not recal the particulars, but the Gallant Colonel had it in his power to refer to the particulars, which had several times appeared in petitions before the House, although be ( Captain Pechell) was sorry to say in vain. He hoped, how ever, that the present Board would act differently from their predecessors. Mr. HUME said, considering the late period of the session, he would withdraw his motion for a Committee, but he was sorry at the result of the present discussion. Mr. HENLEY said the explanations which had been offered were far from satisfactory. Mr. WILLIAMS then moved, pursuant to notice, for a copy of the circular (No. 58) issued by the Lords Commission ers of the Admiralty, and the accompanying memorandum, dated the 13th day of November, 1830, which gives authority to flog seamen and marines serving in her 'Majesty's ships and vessels of war. A copy of the 9th charge, preferred by Lieutenant Walker, commanding her Majesty's steamer Alban, before the Court-martial assembled on the 12th day of May, 1834, to try Captain Pigot, of her Majesty's ship Barham, and the war rant for flogging a seaman of the Alban sent by Cap tain Pigot with an order to Lieutenant Walker, both dated the 28th day of May, 1832 ; also of the minutes of the evidence in support of the charge, anti for the defence. A copy of the minutes of evidence given before the court-martial as sembled, on the 9th day of August, 1844, to try Lieutenant W. H. Bridge, of her Majesty's steamer Cormorant, and of the charge preferred against him, and the judgment of the court thereon. And that an bumble address be presented to her Majesty, that she will bo graciously pleased to direct that the opinion of the law officers of the Crown be obtained as to the legality of the sentence passed in each of the cases of the courts-martial, and also as to the legality of the proceedings of thee one on Lieut. Bridge. Mr. WARD said, his object was to show what could be done to remedy the grievance complained of. lie was most anxious to give the subject his decided consideration. He would, however, give no pledge as to what course should be pursued. The motion was then withdrawn. On the SrEAKER leaving the chair CHELSEA PENSIONERS. Captain LAY ARD said, that he trusted it had not escaped the recollection of the House that within a short period he had presented four petitions from the out - pens ioners of Chelsea Hospital, praying the House to take into consideration that which they stated they considered a great hardship, and in which he fully agreed, viz., that five per cent. should be stopped from their pensions, particularly as such stoppages were not enforced, either from the marines or sailors; and wl:y the soldier should be stopped, an .l the others not, to him was unaccountable. Not that he (Captain Layarti ) wished the five per cent. to be stopped from the marines and salors, f ir from it ; what he desired was, that no stoppage should be made from any ; and, actuated by that desire, in the justice of which all whom he had consulted upon the subject entirely agree !, and which made him determine to bring the matter' under dis cussion. Now, of these petitions, two had been pi inted by order of the House, and the petioners state that it is a heavy loss to them, one-twentieth of their pensions gained in fighting the battles of our common count'.:, and thereby in crease its immense power and riches, should he stopped ; tiles likewise state that, adverting to the common principle that now prevails in advancing or lending money, they conceive five per cent monthly an exorbitant sum, and that the continu ance of it must be owing simply to the matter never having been brought under the notice of your Honourable House. Now the Act by which this deduction was authorised was the 27th of George 11., and was entitled " An Act for the relict of th.. Out-pensioners of the Royal Hospital of Chelsea." The Act was passed to alter the old system of paying pensioners, of which nothing could be worse at that time. A. D. 1754, the pensioners received their pensions in the following manner (namely, the p a y m e n t of a year's pension only after the same had become due, and which, as the Act recites, exposed them togreat hardships and distresses, making them take money up for present subsistence on credit of persons called money-lenders, on terms many times oppressive and usurious. The Act then goes on to state, that to prevent this bad system, the pensioners shall be paid six months in advance. Now, in clause 7 it states that the Pay master of Chelsea Hospital shall, and may w ithhold, and deduct one shilling in the pound from all moneys so paid to out-pen s sioners of Chelsea Hospital, and which moneys so deducted shall be so applied in the manner which his Majesty, his heirs and successors, shall, by warrant under his royal s;gn manual direct. This system went on for some time, viz., paying six mont h s i n a dvance ; then it was reduced to three, and about two years ago, by a plan of Lord Hardinge, staff-officers were appointed to pay the pensioner, and now they are only paid one month in advance ; and which plan was , in his (Captain Lavard's) opinion, a very good cue, and likely to be highly beneficial to the country. But by the 3cl and 4th of Wil liam IV, an Act was passed in 1533, by which only twosand a-half per cent. is to be stopped from the new rate of pen sions, so that under the present system the old and hard-tried Peninsular veterans had five per cent. stopped; and those who, no doubt, were just as good soldiers, but could never have the same severe trials, were to pay only two-and-a-half per cent. Na doubt he should be told that the pensions of the latter were smaller. Alas, that ouch was the case, was too true, and a dis grace to the nation it was that it should be so. Now, he must recall to their minds, that within a few weeks, at the gracious recommendation of her Majesty, they had voted pensions to those gallant officers who had deserved so well of their country, Lord Hardinge and Lord Gough, to support the dignity which her Majesty had bestowed upon them, for their gallant achievements, having raised them to the temple of honour as a reward for their having taken so high a station in the temple of fame. Now, for his (Captain Lavard's) part, he could not suppose that either five or two and-a-half per cent. would, or ought to be, stopped from the pensions of those gallant leaders. And if such was the case, how could the Parliament think of any lower allowing this stoppage to he made from their no less worthy and gallant com panions in arms. Now, he felt that the great enemy he had to contend with was the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chan cellor of the Exchequer ; but he trusted that, upon this occa sion, he would let his love of justice overcome his love of eco nomy ; and he thought, when he informed the Right Hon. Gentleman that the Hon. Member for Montrose was to second this resolution, he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would feel that it was an act of justice which no economical feeling ouglit to counteract. Shall it be said that those who can say to their children, or the'r grandchildren, " I fought with Hardinge at Albuera ; I was at the storming of Burdpore with Lord Combermere ; I helped to take the eagle at Barossa with Gough ; I fought with Napier in India ; I formed part of that force at Waterloo under Wellington whose square. were invulnerable, and whose advance in line was invincible"— shall these men. when " They shoulder their crutch, And show how fields were won"— shall these men end their narrative by stating, " We petitioned the British House of Commons—we petitioned the representa tives of the people—no longer to allow the paltry deduction of five per eerie from our pensions, and our prayers were un heeded? He (Captain Layard) called u , on the protectional party, who had talked so much of standing to their colours and nailing them to the mast, to remember that the standard of their country had been carried untarnished, by the agrieuhural labourer, to honour and to glory. He reminded the manufacturers that many of those who had been operatives heel, by their gallant hearing as soldiers, opened new marts in the uttermost gaits of the world. He called upon all in that House to remember upon what a pinnacle of glory this country had been placed by the army, and to remember how poorly that army had b een requited. The Right Hon. Baro net the late Prime Minister had, upon a former occasion, when bringing forward the pensions of Lord Harcliriv , and Lord Gough, read to them from Nspier'a " Hiseiry of the Peninsu lar War"— that brilliant history of brilliant expinite—the ac count of the heroic and bloody fight at Albuera, whereby Har dingo's energy hail been achieved. Trusting the House would allow him to follow the late Prime Minister's example, he would read an extract from that History. Napier says tbat the British infantry soldier is more robust than the soldier of any other nation which can scarcely be doubted by those who, in 1815, observed his powerful frame distinguished amidst the united armies of Europe ; and notwithstanding his habitual ex cess in drinking, he sustained fatigue and wet, and the ex tremes of cold and heat, with incredible vigour. When com pletely disciplined (and three years are required to accomplish this), his port is lofty and his movements free—the whole world cannot produce a nobler specimen of military bearing. Nor isehe mind unworthy of the outward man : he does not indeed possess that presumption and vivacity which would lead him to dictate ti his commander, or even to censure real errors, alt.houeh he may perceive them ; but he is quick to com prehend his orders, full of resources under difficulties, calm and resolute in danger, and more than usually obedient and careful of his officers in moments of imminent peril. It has been asserted that his undeniable firmness in battle is the result of a phlegmatic constitution, uninspired by moral feeling; never was a more stupid calumny uttered. Napoleon's troops fought in bright fields, where every helmet caught some beams of glory. But the British soldier conquered under the cold shade of aris tocracy. No honours awaited his daring, no dispatch gave his name to the applause of his countrymen ; his life of danger and hardship was uncheered by hope, his death unnoticed. Did his heart sink therefore? Did he not endure with sur prising fortitude the sorest of ills, sustain the most terrible assaults in battle unmoved, overthrowing with incredible energy every opponent, and at all times prove that while no physical military qualification was wanting, the font of honour was also full and fresh within him? The result of a hundred battles, and the united testimony of impartial writers of different nations, have given the first place amongst the European Infantry to the British. Such was the description of those men (and could any one deny the truth of that description for whom he stood the humble advocate?), and he trusted and believed that neither the House nor the country would or could refuse their petition. Who could say at what moment the , efety of this country might depend upon the pensioners? 1 hey were the only force which you could call together in case of any sudden emergency, for of regular troops you had very few you could lay your hand upon—the colonies taking up so large a proportion, while the pensioners consisted of 73,500, and of these are 25,001) available men, fit to do good service, and 25,000 more tit for garrison duty ; and these alone showed the advantage of seeing generously and kindly ; for it it had not been for the pensions, by some so much abused, where could you have such a force to ell out in a moment, and available? The last sentence of that brilliant history, from which he had before quoted, ends with this touching sentence :—" Thus the war terminated, and with it all remembrance of the veteran's services." Were they, the House of Commons, prepared to let such a sentence stand against them to all time ? Were they prepared to have it go forth that they refused the petition of those men whose militia-se achievements had been the wonder and the admiration of the world? Ile felt that should the Right Hon. Secretary-at-War oppose this re. solution, he would be acting against. Li; own generous nature. and the anxious desire he had always personally evinced to tieeefit the soldier. But he trusted the House would feel, whatever was the course taken by the Government, that this petition ought to be granted, lie felt he had done his duty in giving an opportunity of doing by these gallant men a justice, however tardy ; a reward, however irefficient. He should end by calling upon them To pity the sorrows of each brave old man. Whose shattered frame can carry arms no more, Whose life soon der hailing to the shortest span ; Petition grant, and Heaven will bless your store. He, therefore, begged to move, that in the opinion of this House, the pensions paid to non-commissioned officers and privates of the army should be paid without any fee or deduc t ion whatsoever. air. HUME said he agreed to the motion, and thought that if there were ally reductions of this description, it should at all events come as well from the pockets of the wealthy as the poor pensioner. Ti. , CHANCELLOR cf the EXCHEQUER said that some misapprehension seemed to exist en the subject. 'f he mea sure which the Hon. Gentleman proposed to alter was introduced at a time when it was the greatest boon to the soldier. At the time it was brought f rward all persons were paid at the eret of the year. He assured the H.sre Gentleman that the sub ject should receive the consideration of her Majesty's Govern ment, but it was impossible far him to go further than this de claration. Captain LAYARD said, that under these circumstances, be would withdraw his motion. After a few words from Mr. P. HOWARD, the motion was withdrawn. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. The HouEe then resolved itself into a Committee of Supply. Mr. GREENE in the Chair. Colonel ANSON then moved that a sum not exceeding 575,672/. be granted to her Majesty for pay, allowance, and contingencies of Ordnance Military Corps. After a few observations from Mr. 'Williams, Mr. Bernal, Mr. B. Escott, and others, the vote was agreed to. The next vote proposed was 340,951/. for the commissariat and barrack supplies for her Majesty's forces, great coats for the army, clothing fur the colonial corps, &c. This vote, after an irregular discussion in reference to the barrack accommodation at Hong-Kong and other settlements abroad, was also agreed to. The fac.ving votes were then agreed to : . „ 94,903/., to defray the expellee of the Ordnance-office. 223,025!„ to defray the expenses of the establishments in the United Kingdom and colonies. 125,3921.. wages of artificers and labourers in the United Kingdom ald colonies. 390,1841 to defray the expenses of ordnance stores for land and sea service. 611,9613/. for works, buildings, and repairs. 60,9691. for the scientific branch. 120,459/. was voted to defray the non.effeetive services, military and civil, for three-quarters of a year. The resolutions were then agreed to, and the House re sumed. REVENUE. Mr. MOFFATT wished to know from the Chancellor of the Exchequer what article it was proposed to levy a duty upon to make up for the deficiency which would be caused in the revenue by the reduction and equalisation of the sugar duties ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was not prepared to say what the article was on which the duty was in tended to be substituted. It would be exceedingly incon venient to say at preent what that article was, and, consider ing the difficulties attending the subject, he thought the best course would be to defer naming the article till next session. GAME-I,AWS. Mr. COLLETT said, seeing the Member for West Gloa cest ershire in his ;Mace, he wished to ask him whether it was the intention of the Hon. Gentleman to bring the subject of which he had given notice before the House, or whether he was to tiring forward the grounds of the allusions to him (Mr. Col lett)? He would certainly he present, but he wished to blow what the lion. Mesubt..r meant to do. Mr. G. BERKELEY said he certainly meant to bring the subject of the game•laws b. fore the House, anti would allude to all who had lent their aid to bring those laws into con tempt.— (Lenghter.) tk -I x S a ( a) l . R he E in L iNgrell BILL. On for reading this Bill a On the order it ol lt. second Mr. L ABOUCHERE said he wished to take the discussion On this Bill, and the second reading of it, on Wednesday, as several were absent. whom he thought would better be present. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE expressed his amazement at the course proposed to be pursued by the Government. He woa. tiered especially who those gentlemen were f.,r whom the dis. cuss:on had been postponed. Mr. I. AIIOUCHERE thought it would be better for all parties that the second reading should be postponed. that all might have due notice. and especially the Irish Members. He was afraid also that it would be late before the House could enter upon it ; but, if it was the wish of the House, be had no objection to bring on the second reading to-night. CUSTOMS Du 11ES ACT. On the motion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the House went into Committe on the Customs Duties. On the article spirits beinc read, ?Ir. MACKINNON said he beeped to press the motion of which he bad given notice, on the equalisation of duties on colonial spirits with British snirl's. In Ireland the duties were 2s. Btl. ; in Scotland, 3s. 4d t . ; and in England, 93. 4d. The consequence was, there was a differential duty between England, Scotland, and Ireland. He asked the Government why they should violate the principle which they had recog nised in the Sugar Bill? Nay, more, recognised in a late measure, which admitted spirits made from sugar in the Channel islands, at a lower rate than spirits from the colonies. That only encouraged a monopoly, which discouraged the co lonial trade. lie should wait till he heard what the Govern ment would say Oct the subject. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Hoe. Member was under no obliga' ion of apologising for the intro duction of the subject on which he had occupied the attevie t : of the House. It was one of great importance. Weitehtwregeande the duty imposed on colonial rum, the diffeareenehebwoueld pro duty imposed on it and British spirits was d s It was quite cleft burdens upon the two classes on the same duty as say whether rightly or wrongly that colonial rum should not be admitted when they considered that there was a duty et British spirits, producers. d o u r ‘ cl e e r r . t m o equalise the Ilssal