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Aitt decided ete.isfaction, that that which he had ever considered as a n3ost unwarrantable encroachment on the rights and pro perty of the poor of Ireland was about to be removed.—(Cheers.) —Notlung could be more unjust, more cruel, than that: they, who were principally interested to support their own Clergy, 'should bear the least part of the burden of that support. /le skid trust that this Bill would bring tithes back to that fair and proper state of things, under which all were th bear their proportionate shares of the common burden. lie was quite sa tisfied that this bill promised most fairly. (Cheers from the Treasury bench.) If it was somewhat complicated in its ma. ettinery, it must be recollected that that was a defect mainly attributable fo thocomplicated state of society in Ireland. The working of such a bill would be very different in Ireland, from that of a similar measure in England. In Ireland, the same . facilities did not exist, in consequence of the unhappy dis soensions that prevailed in that country. Ile earnestly hoped, aid indeed trusted, that the bill would be the means of effect. ,g_a great deal of goad. • Mr. CAREW agreed entirely in the proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman, and in the commendations that had been be stowed on it. Ireland had reason to likes the day on which the King visited Ireland, and the representative which be had lent har. Mr. SPRING RICE could not resist the temptation of con gratulating the House on the present conditions and prospects of Ireland. The Hon. (Jtnt. then contrasted the measures of co. ercion and severity which had been resorted to last session, with the beneficial measure of to-night; which would, he had An doubt, put an end to the greatest of all y the .evils that afflic ted tht irteh peasantry---the tithe system.—Hear !)—Th is boon would not be thrown eivay on the people of Ireland, from whom, ,0111 the contrary, the Government would reap a rich harvest of • thaoltfulness and gratitude. If a larger portion of the Irish gen try gave up that tythe exemption on their property, to which • they were entitled under the 40th Geo. II i.and offered the whole of their lands to be assessed for the poor, it, would sufficiently strew that they were in earnest and willing to meet the clergy at least half way, in effecting a most desirable object. The securi ty to the clergy would be much greater than formerly : then theii security was only on the lands subject to tithe ; now tt Weadd be on all the lands of the Irish Gentry. It would be, matter of great satisfaction, if in future the assessment should Le levied, not on the tenant, but on the landlord ; and that the Catholic occupier of the soil should hereafter have no • mile either to feel, or hear, or regret the operation of the 'tithe system. He (Mr. Rice) proffered his most hearty thanks for this measure.. --((Hear!}} Mr. 11. HUTCHINSON warmly acknowledged the boon which this proposition would confer on Ireland. It was the more pleasant to thank his Majesty's Governtlent for such a measure, because for a' long period—and in that House for fif-1 teen years—he had been in warm and angry opposition to their - general conduct. The measure before them was, of all others, the most calculated to heal and appease the troubles and irri tatfons that had too long afflicted Ireland ; and he was not less bound to return for it the most sincere A cknowledgments of her gratitude, than the whole of the British Empire. By the ()oscillation' of Ireland, the whole of the; empire was so eons°. I:dated and established, that its strength would be irresistible. — (Chem.) —The lion, Gentleman especially thanked also the Right Hon, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the Right j lion. the Minister for Foreign Affairs (Mr. Canning), for the' kindness of their expressions in regard to Ireland upon very recent occasions. • Colonel BARRY expressed his approhation of the bill. . Mr. V. FITZGERALD declared that it was not his inten. thin to pronounce any opinion on the details of the bill at the preset); moment.. This, however, he would say of it generally, that it ;,romised not Only to be an admirable measure to concili ate the different classes of the community in Ireland, lint also a measure Well calculated to prove that the members of the Irish government were Most anxious to fulfil the pledges which they had ofl'ered to the people at the moment when its destinies were that of all intrusted to. their care. Mr. GRATTAN, Col. T Estes!, and Mr. IlustE severally eXpressed an opinion that this measure would creme a great im. prorement in the present system of things in Ireland. Mr. in reply to a question that had been put to him by Mr, Hume, stated, that it was intended that the corn. position should last for a certain period—tbf instance, 21 years; but that a Valuation should be taken every three years, in order that the income of the clergyman might always bear a fair pro portion to the existing. price of corn. A desultory conversation then' took place across the table, on this subject, in which Mr. PauL, Mr. lltcanno, Mr. PLuer reTT, and Mr. DENMAN joined.—Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. NATIONAt. DEBT REDUCTION ACTS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCLIEQUER moved the Order of the Day for receiving the Report of the Malone, • Debt Bill. CALCUAVT said, he would oppose the further progress • or the erieaxure, on the ground that greater benefit woold be conferred On the country by the repeal of taxes, than by the Owlet) of their existing surplus to the object proposed by the Right lion. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exche. - Ver), namely, the reduction of the Debt. On his side of the House they were accused of not taking Statesmanlike views of this and other subjects: For his part, though he did not dislike popularity when obtained by honest and fair means, he should never sacrifice to it what he considered his public ' , duty. He was as friendly as any man to the principle of a Sinking Fund, and should not oppose the application of it, if the finances and internal circumstances of the country were such saw to admit of its being directed to a real and Lona jidetbi ehargo of debt. It. was objected to his view of the subject, that if any emergency , should arise, no one would be willing. to come forward and advance his money, when there was no sinking fund in mleration. Hi (Mr. Calcraft) held quite an oPpositeepinion.. Wit'eti persona were about to lend money to the State, they looked flit security rather to the situation of the finances, and the general circumstances of the country, than to a Sinking, Fund: He would ask, whether the public tuids were now so rt:duced in price that it was necessary to support them by a Sinking Fund ? At the present price, any person who felt so disposed, inigie, realise more than the sum originally advanced. What he nitwit now to propose was, that the further progress .of ~the Report should be postponed to the 20th of April. The, unlit inconvenience that could arise front this would be, that' the accounts must be made up to the sth of July in place of the 4th of April. It' this delay wore allowed, the House would . then hews an opportunity of considering whether mine more be .netlecial application might not be made of the existing surplus than that proposed by the Right Honourable tiendernan (the Chancellor of the Exchequer.) If ever there was one period "eve likeiy than another, at which a reduction of the public reteemie could be .appreciended, it was the present ; because, with ones single exception, every class of the community was ire it; most condition. tie should not In the then state of the Muse make any further remarks, but should move a'at the Airther proceedings on the Reportahould be postponed to the itrath Apiil next. • . . • . Colonel WOOD opposed the amendment, and: said the re duction proposed by the lion. Member was not calculated to .aff.ird. that relief-whieh the lion. Gentleman contemplated. As far' sot .he Wolonel Wood) could learn, the landed interest had deriVed no benefit wheteser from the reductnin of one half the beether Tax, which Should have been effected last year. lle therefore thought it would not be expedient to hang up the measure ol his Right Hon. Friend lot so long a period as that .mentiontal by theotienticman opposite.' Mr. W. SMITH; in replyto what had fallertfrom the lion. Oentlentan who had juse set down, begged to state, that Itched been ittformed by.persons engaged in the leather trade, that ~the reduction of one half the duty on leather had beer preduc, rive of' coneiderahle benefit to the landed interest, by increasing the demand for leathereand consequently for hides and bark, both .of which articles bad eemseqttently risen in price. Camel WOOD! explained. lle had been informed, from what Le de rued oaf:eV:authority, that at no period were hides atuthcn t. rs> low in' prize as at:present. ie J. RTIN contended that, the stockholder had a claim to the Sinking Fund, and he was of opinion that the pre , sea amount of it was not too large. To repeal 2,000,0004 of taw, prom by the Chimed - ler of the Exchequer, was as umuclt 114 could be tione in the present. circumstances of :the country. lie recommertied that the public accounts should• he eimplihed, paroculatly as far as they regarded Exchequer Bills. At present the whole subject was in a state of inexplicable con. fusion. The Committee on Public Accounts had left this part of the sultie4 out of view. Mr. J. BENETT said he would vote for the amendment ; aud took occasion to express his dissent from many of the doe. trines laid down by the Ham Member for Portarlington ; and expressed hiss determination not to accompany that lion. Gene therm when mounted on his hobby-horse—political economy. laugh.) —`,The taxes en cultivation amounted to 0 but cent. o;.rent ; he therefore felt •convioced„ that nothing but reduCtion of taxation could relieve the landed ioteeeee. Jir J. suuldr, Y supported the ante.odment ; and recom metaled that two millions should be taken front the Sinking F un d, acid a pplied tai the reduction pf taxation. Aleletenan C. SMITH opposed the amendment. lie had sold ii.great deal of Lark lately, and did not find that improve. ment price alluded to by the Hon. Gentionan. Air. LIMN sup ported the _ a mendments and contended, that if the Fund were allowed to go on as at present, the comory would find that not 1004 of the National Debt would be rfoloced by it. The Hon. Aleinher proceeded to argue upon a Variety of calculations, that the Sinlang Fund, continued Ow its pre3ent system, would ultimately tend to isl. crease tlie debt to a much greater extent. Ile would a sk the Pron. tthmber for `Taunton if the Americans had a Sinking Eund Baring replied they had:)—Theis accounts were simple and unlike, those of England, for every one conld,under stand them. lie would therefine support the ammendment. Mr. JOHN ,SMITH differed much from his Hoe. Friend (Mr. Home). He thought we could not have raised our sup. plies during the war without a Sinking Fund ; end he was glad to find the Government disposed to maintain it. He thought: however, that the best security of our credit was to be found in economy and retrenchment. Ills MajcstY's Ministers had, last Session, stated their intentions with regard to economy, and added, that they could do nothing thrift ; but, on being pressed by the liOuse to measures of retrenchment. it was found they had not clone their utmost. With this object;Y Mid without wishing to disturb the plan of the Sinking Fund, 4e should support the Amendment. 51r. MONCK, supported the mothin. The price of the. funds was not necessarily supported by the. Sinking Fund in time of peace. He contended 'that the country ought to pro ceed in a manner similar to that of America, in order to remove its debts. . Mr. RICARDO expressed his hopes that England would never imitate the conduct of America in the mode of paying its debt. if the Sinking Fund was really an effective one, it ought to be supported ! but how was it effective ? Was borrowing a proper means to establish a Sinking Fund? lie had been reproached by the Hon. Member for Taunton as if he thought that during a ge neral plan for robbing, one ought to rob by way of fC'prhial. That was not what he meant; but that when he found he should be attacked, he thought that he might as well have the pleasure of spending his money himself first. As to the sinking fund con templated by Ministers, it was little more than a bubble. There was to be a surplus of three millions, and two millions saved by the annuities scheme. The annuities Bill, if Ministers would act according to good policy, would be repealed. That scheme was to establish a sinking fund for II; years,_ by creating a debt to be defrayed during forty-five years. Would it not be not only more economical, but more prudent, to apply, the an nuities, as they would regularly fall into the Exchequer, to the sinking fund ? The Hon. Member for Taunton had stated his reasoning relative to the national debt on a former night to be that of a man who had not studied mankind. He confess ed that he was alarmed at the greatness of that debt ; and that he thought that some means of adjustment ought to be devised. Ile was himself willing to make great sacrifices to establish a proper adjustment. He thought that a compro.. mise could be effected between the stook and the landholders, anti that Parliament, or another Par.!eitient, for he slid not think the present state of the Representation would warrant any hopes of a proper regulation could be enabled to. effect it. The 11 onourable and IsearnedMember for Win chelsea bad said that that measure would throw the country into the hands of pettifogging attornies : he did not think so ; for Parliament could regulate the measure:, and give as good a title as the at tornies could procure. A different Parliament, and one which would sympathise with the feelings of the people, would be necessary to carry his plan into execution. The lion. Member for Taunton had contended that the Sinking Fund would be useful in case of a war. 'What was that but the creation of a fund to enable Ministers to make use of it at any emergency ? If there was no debt, according to that reasoning a fund ought tube established as a premium to Ministers' to go to war. As to the effect of the Sinking Fund on the price of Stocks, it was trivial to 'say that two millions of a Sinking Fund could operate to any useful extent on a debt of 800 millions. It would be much more useful to the country to apply the surplus to the exigencies of the people. Mr. BARING was willing to acknowledge the sentences of his lion. Friend's mind, but it was acute in drawing singular conclusions froth the theoretical principles. Was it not u sins gular proposition, to maintain that it would,he useful to the na tion if Parliament would grant a title to half the estates of the kingdom to the stockholders ?The title might be good ; but would not each Gentleman in the House admit that die country would rather bear the utmost pressure of taxation, than submit to such a measure? What was the present Sinking Fund ? It in reality consisted of the surplus revenue of the country and that sur plus was applied to the purchase of a portion of the Debt. 'itrious Gentlemen in that House had maintained that it ought to be applied to the removal of taxation. Those Gen denten who spoke Of the effect of the Sinking Fund ought to regard it, not as the bone of contention between any two parties in the kingdom, but as the result of the views of persons in:. terested in the welfare of the finances of a great nation. The present finance system of Great Britain required that, in the alternative of peace and war, there should he some immediate stay for the support of the country in case of a war, and as such he looked upon the Sinking Fund—as such it would prove in the latter alternative. While the eduntry would require that time should he given to provide for the exigencies of war, that fund would be immediately applicable to its use. If the real principle of the Sinking Fund were adhered to, the consequence would be an extinction of the debt. The value 'of Funds dur ing the war, was an index to slim the pitch to which taxation might be raised. Ile did not see how any person of common understanding could concur with the Honourable Nlember for Aberdeen, who had entered into such long calculations to prove that the esuddishment of a real Sinking Fund would in crease the Debt. Such un argument was about as absurd, as if any one were to assert that the House was in darkness, be cause the candles were burning ; and he would not lose time in seriously answering it. To what exfent the Sinking Fund had been carried, was another question ; and he believed that they, were all agreed in the opinion, that an unwise mode had been adopted in conducting the old Sinking Fund. His Hon. Friend haul awaked what effect a Sinking Fund of five millions could produce against a debt of 800 millions ? But that was not the proper manner of putting the question. The proper mode of judging of the effect of five millions, was to com pare it to the 30 Millions, which was the interest of the Debt, and not the 800,000,000/. which composed the Debt itself.— The operation of a Sinking Fund, established on true prin ciples, would in forty-five years extinguiah its debt. He felt so convinced that the House was pursuing the right course that he Should give his support to the present measures. If any ground had been assigned why the bringing up of the Report Should be postponed, he did not know why it should be pressed; but when he believed that the proposal was made merely in the hope that before that period the Muse would see some reason for a further reduction of taxes, lie felt it his duty to resist it. The fact was that there would never be an end to the cry of re auction as long as any tax remained. They were not now de bating in Norwich Market, where the voice of only one party was heard, but they were in an assembly where all interests would be considered and justice done . to all.—(hear !) Mn WA RRE thought that no inconvenience would be caused by postponing the bringing Up, the Report ; and as he wished not now to tie his hands so that be could not propose the repeal of any one tax at a later'period of the Session; he should vote Mr the motien'of the Member for 'Wareham. Mr. CA LCRA Tr said, that as his Majesty's' Ministers, after all the arguinents which had been urged in the course of this debate, had not thought proper to say a single word, he (Mr. C.) did not feel it necessary to make a single observation in reply. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose amidst loud cries of question ! and withdraw ! As soon as silence was obtained, the Right Honourable Gentleman said that he rose Merely for the purpose of swing to the Honourable Mover why he had not addressed the House. The truth was, that lie did not feel himself suflicieritty well. There was another and per haps a more justifiable ground for his Silence. , lie had already in his exposition of the financial situation of the country, stated the grounds upon which the Resolutions were founded, anti as belied heard nothing new in the arguments which had been used to4iight, lie thought that he might, Without disrespect to the Hon. Mover of the House, abstain from taking any part in the discussion. Mr. CALCHA FT said, that if the Right Hon. Odaleman was prevented by indisposition from addressing the House, there were otber Gentlemen on the Ministerial Benches who might havo stated their objections to his proposition. The question being loudly called for, the House proceeded to divide s•—• • yz For the Amendment Against it - - Majority - - 36 The Report was then brought up, and the Resolutions read ati4 agrted to. The House adjourned at a quarter before Eleven. . „ In the Parish House , of Industry at Grimsby there is a Tread-mill which works with the weight of only four met►, and grinds sufficient corn for the use of all the inmates of the house, amounting to nearly one hundred. With the labour of two more persons the mill will gri►►d bones i►► proportion, for manure; it also works a saw ►n a circular manner to cut bone into such forms ►4s may be required, and at the same time turns a grindstone to sharpen edge tools, This curious and useful machine was erected by Mr. Wm. Shirlock, jun. son to the Governor of the house, for the purpose of curing all " sham sick," idle, and disorderly inmates, and it has already in several instances produced a wonderful reform. Yesterday, at Bow-street, a miserable looking fellow, who refused to give his name, was com mitted in default of finding bail, charged with " Palmer's Principles of Nature." PARIS PAPERS. *HAMPER Or DEPFTIa. .„ SI TTI or -Mittblu tin cold' rainy moruing did not hinder a crowd of citizens from idling from the hreak of day opposite bridge of Louis gVI, 'The impatience of very .few of then) 'has been satisfied : those who' after the opening of the gates despaired of gaining their object, wandered on the quays• and adjacent pl aces . The guard of the Chambers wits 4197,- !muted, and precautions taken to maintain good order. The anxiety to arrive ni the public galleries was very great, and a great number of bearers of tickets arrived too late to find access. For some time the centre part of the upper gallery:was reserved for ladies, which disposition offered an admirable coup d'wil in the midst of the gravity of legislative debate. At half-past one the sitting opened. The order of the day was the opening of the discussion on the propo sition of M. de la Bourdonnaye. M. St. A ulitire was called to the, tribune. (A loud call for at tention.) M. - Girardin appeared 'in the tribune.. (Agitation, followed by profound silence.) Gentlemen, said the lion. Member, I appear to speak against the prop os iti on w hi c h y ou h ave made, in manifest violation of the charter—a proposition which you . have not a right to make, nor even to discuss.—(Great inter ruption from the right.) Girardin (with emphasis)—A. question of right ought to have. the priority in all discussions, above all when the Cham ber assumes to sit as tribunal.—Utenewed interruption,) • The President.—A proposition has been made to the Cham ber, it has been taken into - consideration, and referred to a Committee, which has chosen a reporter, and the report hail been read. All the forms established by the regulation have been observed ; and according to order, I call upon the first `orator whose name is inscribed. The order of discussion can not be interrupted by any pretext. I call. on M. St. Aulaire to speak.—(Lively exclamations from the left.) M. Girardin again remonstrated, but the President.persisted in calling on M. St. Aulaire. • M. Girardin:—You have not the right to silence me—pro nouncemy exclusion—exclude us Violent tumult.) M. ,Foy spoke for an adherence to re' ulation.—aumult pro longed.,),—ln all questions, said the lion. Member, and parti cularly in grave and solemn questions which concern the dignity of the Chamber, and place liberty in danger, it is a paramount duty to adhere 'to established rules; but .the'President is anxi ous to submit to the fore's of an ordinary discussion a proposi tion Which the regulation has not provided for. If an atrocious act was to be .proposed to you in this Chamber, the President would coldly submit it for discussion, anti, out of respect for forms, put this execrable proposition to the vote. To apply ordinary rules to s u c h atrocity is to add to it ; and 'I say that our President has failed in his duty, and forfeited his honour in —(Violent interruptions from the right.) M. Poy.—l say that • the President has.failed in his duty in submitting, as a common proposition, one that is extraordinary, and a breach both of the charter and of justice.—.(The voice of the orator drowned by cries from the right.) The 'President maintained that' he was, acting according to order, and again called M. St. Aulaire to the tribune. . Much altercation followed, until at length, after a strong re. monstrance front M. Cheuvelin, the order of the day was voted, in the . midst 'of great tumult, and M, St. Aulaire was called to the tribune. * 111. Foy.—You are the Constitutional„President ; you are here under the Charter, and you fail in your duty when you preside over an act contrary to the charter—a counter-revo lutionary act. The President,--I am sorry to be obliged to call you to order. M. Foy.—..Order ! There is no order here ; there is here only disorder and violence. 'When calmness was restored, M. St. AuMire mounted the tribune and spoke as f o ll ows r ...., " If the proposition ' which I am resolved to oppose by every effort, applied only to Al. Manuel, I would vote in silence, not because I should remain an indifferent spectator of great injus tice, but it would be prestimption h me to offer him my as sistance. M. Manuel is sufficient of himself. Ile has proved that his talent is equal 'to his courage.—(Applause on the left.)—l do not, therefore, present thyself as his defender; the general interest, the interest of the Chamber, and of the Royal i prerogative itself, lead me to examine the question in its poli tical consequences. According to toy oath, I plead the cause of equity and of justice. M. Manuel is placed before you, ac cused of an atrocious crime, as guilty of perjury and treason. The highest punishment is demanded for luM --, the heaviest, I will not say that of have the, right, but the power to in , flict.—(Movetnent o the left.) Several voices.—" either the one nor the other." M. St. Aulatre.;— say the severest punishment that you have----not the ,right, - but—the power to inflict; I mean the physieal power, the material power.--4 Applause on the left,) — Exclusion by a great - political body is equal at least to an in terdiction of civil rights pronounced by a tribunal. This in terdiction is classed among infamous punishments, and thus you propose to send back into society, as an object of horror and of fear, the Member whom it is proposed to expel. But it has happened, Gentlemen, that this horror is not felt by the public, and that public opinion is against your decree. It is on you that the horror anti fear will fall with which you have dealned to overwhelm M. Manuel.—(Approbation on the left.) re M. Manuel entered the Chamber, and seated himself in his ordinary place. M. St. Aulaire proceeded at great length, and amidst occa sional applause and interruption, to argue upon the , injustice and inipolicy of the proposed exclusion; and was followed by M. Royer-Collard, to, whose speech a more profound attention Was paid, especially by M. Cliateaubriand. 21. Collard called the intended measure a coup d'etat, or the same sort of Mega lily which, in the people, would b e ca ll e d i nsurre c t ion ar y. A coup d'etat might be necessary, but the affair of M. Manuel had none of those qualifications which made it so., This speech appeared to operate considerably upon the right centre of the Chamber. , M. Hyde de Neuville.—l appear, Gentlemen, in the tribune, to discuss a great and important p ar li amentar y qu e st i on . I w ill be calm, and 1 demand to he listened to with calmness. If we cannot diseuss fraternally, let us at least do so peticeablY. May the time quickly arrive, when we may do ,both the one and the other. The Ron: Deputy then proceeded to assert the propriety and justice of the disputed proceedings, which he maintained were Such as would be pursued by the most democratic Govern, molts, and especially England. Several votces.—", You , confound imprisonment with ex clusion." __ . . M. Hyde de Neuville spoke, with partial interruption, for a • considerable time longer and concluded by proposing that M. Manuel should be expelled for the present Session, leaving the ensuing to resume proceedings or not, agreeably to the sense of what might remain or become the majority of the Chamber, by the changes which the elections might produce. The President r —The propoSition of M. Hyde de Neuville is thus conceived::—" M. Manuel shall be excluded from the sittings of the ChaMber, pending the duration of the ,present session." A long discussion followed, the principal part in which was borne by Members on the left, in controverting the ergo merits of M. Hyde de Manuel.--I should wish to know to what I have to an swer, and on what proposition it is proposed to deliberate. The President.—On the proposition of M. Hyde de Neuville. Mr. Manuel advanced towards the tribune ; a reat silence prevailed. The speaker surveyed the assembly with firm looks, and pronounced, in a powerful and clear voice, the following speech " Even if I should have coe.ceived the idea of .justifying my-1 self'before you, for the accusation urged against me, the zeal Of my honourabl e f r i en d s would - beforehand have fulfilled my task. The absence of ' right, usurpation, arbitrary Power, the innocence of my intentions.—all have been sufficiently establish ed by them ; and if one of my defenders, no doubt misled by old prejudices, has suffered some words of disapprobation to e*.-.eape him, at the moment when. I have to resist such fury, I can disdain an act of Weakness or of rancour ; but I will not give my adversarie s th e sat i s faction of seeing me placed before them in a addle (the place where the accused Stand in French criminal Courts), to which they have no right of degrading me. Let others seek to debase the national character,— they have., no doubt, a guilty. interest in doing so; I, urged on by a very . different feeling, will do every thing in my power to preserve its virtue. I declare, then, I do not acknowledge here in any one the right, of trying me. I look here for judges---I o n ly find ac ,. cusers. I do not expect an act of justice : it is to one of ven geance that I resi g n myself. I profess respect for the autho rities on which they are founded, but I recognise their power no longer front the moment when, to contempt of the law, they usurp powers which it has not given them; • " In such a state of things, whether submission be an act of prudence I know not, but this I know, as soon as resistance is a right, Itheemnes a duty. It is a duty, especially for those who, like us, ought best of all to know our rights ; and forme, 1 should owe this example of courage to those worthy citizens of Li. Vendee, 'who have given France so noble an example of courage and independence in a second time giving me their votes. "Sent to this Chamber by the will of those who had the right to send me here, I shall only leave it through the violence of those who have not theright to exclude me; and, if this resc. lution onnly part may draw on my head the gravest dangers, I console myself that the field of liberty has sometimes hten -fen. tilized by generous blood." After tins manly address, sonic confused discussion took place. MM. Casmir Perrier, Oen. Lafayette, and M. Dernanay, spoke very, warmly and strimgly. The proposition of 31. Hyde tie Neuville was declared to be carried, and the,Chamber separated in the greatest confusion. (MM. Girardin, Teyssan, St. Aignan, in a word, all the left side, and a part of the left centre, declared that they protest. ed against the measure, and would not vote.) TUESDAY, MAncit 4. EXPULSION OF M. MANUEL. This day the guard of the Chamber was re.infarced by 50 men. The President opened the sitting at one o'clock. The pub lic and private tribunes were thronged, and much agitation prevailed within and without the Legislative Hall. It was re marked that almost all the Members of the left side heti as sembled in the anti-chamber of Pas-Perdus, with the view, as was reported, of escorting M. Manuel, and accompanying him into the Chamber. In fact, at half past one o'clock tlicy enter ed the hall in a body with M. Manuel at their head, who seated himself in his usual place. The murmurs, which commenced on his appearance increased every moment, and were partici pated in by the tribunes. The principal Huissier went up to the President, who addressed to him some reproaches, as the Heissier excused himself by saying that he could not prevent the entrance of M. Manuel. Several Deputies on the right side approached the Presi dent, amongst whom were MM. lelormadiett, Forbin d'lssarts. tie Bouville. They were in close conversation fur a short in terval. An i.,tense agitation prevailed amongst the Members of the right side, who appeared to be consulting amongst them selves. The Minister 'of War entered ; several Deputies went and spoke to him, amongst whom were MM. Pavy, Forbinel'lssarts, l)onnadieu, de Berbis. &c. Shortly after the. Sinister of the Interior entered ; he spoke to the Minister of War, and they both withdrew together. At two o'clock the Minister for Foreign Affairs entered. 31. Dudon advanced to meet and addressed his Excellency, who then withdrew, and went into the conference apartment. A moment afterwards the Keeper of the Seals entered. 31. Dudon spoke to him. His Excellency also retired, anti joined his colleagues. At two o'clock the President rang his bell. Profound silence ensued, and all eyes were directed upon M. Manuel. "Gentlemen (said the President), the 91st article of your re gulations states—" The maintenance of good order in the Le gislative Hall ( Lo Police) is vested in the Chamber. Autho rity to this effect is exercised in its name by the President, who gives the necessary orders to the guard duty. The result of the deliberation of yesterday's sitting was, that you excluded AI. Manuel from your sittings during the course of this session. I had in consequence written to MM. the Ques tors, that they might give orders to the Huissiers not to let M. Manuel enter this hall. The order was given agreeably to my instructions : but it has been violated, and AI. Manuel has been introduced." M. Girardin (vehemently)-....lntroduced ! This is not true; be entered. On the right- 43 Silence." 31. tie Girardin.—Why should I be silent ? The President.--I state the fact as it has been reported to me by the Huiesier.—M. Manuel, I yesterday announced that you were excluded the Chamber for the session. I gave orders to the Questors not to admit you. The consign has been violat ed. request you to retire. M. Manuel (addressing the. President from his place.)—l stated yesterday that I would only yield to violence : to-day I shall keep my word. • The President.—l shall now suspend the sitting for the space of an hour. I request t h e Deputies to assemble in their respec tive bureaux. Meanwhile I will give the necessary orders.— (Cries ofbravO ! on the right.) The whole right side then withdrew. The members of the left continued quietly in their pistes, and kept silence, with the exception of observations occasionally made" in a low tone of voice between one or two members, which were silenced imme diately by chui, chid, from their colleagues. M. de Girardin left his place, and spoke to several members. The number of the Deputies present, composing the left and the left centre, was 80. 31. Menuel was on the second bench, between MM. Saleron and Tiessier. MM. Caesimirwerrier, Leseigneur, Villemain, and St. Aig nun, successively went and conversed with 31. Manuel. • During the suspension of the Sitting, a picquet of infantry of the line was introduced into the anti-chamber of Pas- Perdus. A group of Royalist DePuties had assembled in the passage leading to the conference apartments, and were listening with earnest attention to M. Kergorlay (Florian.) At three o'clock a number of the Deputies of the right came into the passage leading to the hall: On, the left.—" To your places ! to your places !" The Members of the left side were immeduitely all attention. The door leading to the anti-chamber of Pas-Perdus was opened. The principal II uissier at the head of the Huissiers entered, and advanced towards M. Manuel, unfolded a paper, and read it. On the left.—" lionder ! louder !" M. Aubriette, the Chief littissier, then read the following order t—.. " ORDER OF THE' PRESIDENT. " In virtue of article 91, of the regulation for the Chamber of Deputies, which states, the Police of the Chamb er b e l ongs to him (the President), and is exercised in the mune of the Chant. ber, by the PreSident, who gives the necessary orders to the guard on duty r" " Pursuant to the decision whi c h was yesterday come to by the Chamber, and which orders that M. Manuel be ex. chided from the S ittings of the Chamber during the present Sessio s n ; " The President of the Chamber of Deputies orders the fluissiers of the said Chamber to remove M. Manuel from the hall of the Sittings, and to prev e nt hi s aga i n eniering, for which purpose, they shall, if necess a ry, ava il t h etmle l ves of the aesist . ante of the armed force necessary for the execution of the order of the Chamber. " Given in the Palace of the Chamber, March 4, 1823. (Signed) RAVEZ." M. Aubriette.—ln consequence at this order, I request M. Manuel to quit the Chamber. If he do not— , M. Manuel.—Execute your orders. I will not leave this place except by violent means. The paisage of the conference apartment was thronged with Deputies, who calmly witnes s ed t hi s scene . The principal litussier, seeing that his request was disre garded, went out toobtain the assistance of the armed force. A piquet of the National Guard and veterans entered imme diately. after Wards ; their bayonets were not fixed. AI. Lafayette (rising from Ilia seat.)—Whia an indignity ! It would be dishonourable to the National Guard. M. de Chauvelin.—Peace, M. de Lafayette ; remain quiet. All,the left side.—" The National Guard ought not to act. Refuse, brave Guards !" After a moment's agitation, calm was restored. The chief of the battalion of the veterans advanced, and begged 31. Ala nuel to quit the hall. M. Matmel.—l declare that I will not go out. The chief of the battalion.—.l have an order. M. Manuel.—Show it. The Chief of thellattalion produced it to M. Manuel, and the principal Ifuissier read it. The chief of the battalion then gave some orders to the officeiof the National Guard. (Vio lent murmurs on the left.) M. Mechin.—This is dishonouring the National Guard. • M. de Girartlin.—The National Guard ought to protect citi zens, not oppress them. M. Lafayette—We are your representatives. Tumult on the left. The Deputies who were seated near M. Manuel pressed round him. The officer of the National Guard communicated the orders which he had received to the sergeant of the platoon ; the ser geant, as well as his men, refused to obey. On the left--. Bravo ! bravo !"—This exclamation was re , peited by some persona in the public tribunes. The Chief of Battalion went out. Shortly afterwards both folds of the deer Opening, into the anti-chamber of Pas Per. dos were opened, and a strong detachment of geridarmerie , led by the Colonel, ChH of Battalion, end the Lieutenant , , promptly entered the Hall.--{Violent murmurs on the let/ side.) 31 . de 0 irartlin.--This is the first step toward s the degrada tion of the representative dignity. The Colonel of the Gendarmerie addressing M. Manuel, said—" Sir, 1 have received an order from the ,Pet te make you leave this hall. If you refuse, erd oppse us d by re sistanc-e, we shall be compelled to employ force in order to et carte the law."—(Violent reurtnurs.) 31. de Girardin.—The law cannot autho rise such an attii trary act. The Colonel (in reply.)—The Gendarm zie have only ere to second the efforts of the Natiohal Guard. On the left.—" No, no ; t h e National Guard hare does their duty, they hare refused." The Colonel:—I re quoit 31. Manuel to reti re voluntarily 31. Manuel,--I will only leaveby force. - The Colonel to the Gendatmes.—Lay bold.of 31. Mewl. The left side rose and cried.—" Ley hold of 1.15 all !" 1.131. Leseigneur, Girardin, 3lechin.—Gentiannes, Feu are responsible for this. , The Gendarmes promptly went to 'if 31-nuel, up , • - , . the cers at their head : one of the latter seized M. Manuel by collar ; his honourable friends preseed around him, to wrest lore , from the heeds of the Gendarmes. , • her Al. Manuel descended the steps leading to the anti-chant . of Pas-Perdus. M. de Bondy made himself very conspieueel by the violence of his gestures. AI. 31anttel leas hurtled - 0 A followed by all the left side, except M. Sebastiani. • most v ' ent The left centre continued in their The '''"*. 1411 braces. agitation prevailed amongst them. , The 31embers of the right side resumedlaces.. ,el M. Leine de Villevesque eddressed M. Forbin d'lsturtS,_ t believe, in terms of complaint' oe t he v iolence which had Dee" exercised towards a Deputy. k the Chsir, the Ogle, At half-past three o'clock the President again too d• obtained silence and announced that the sitttng took NS111:11ch CU:33l‘ti:lo.h.enSaißordoc:l;:h e'readrdetohnljerieeddtedttathhyreeepconroctioseiel'aetirhoiall ofof th dle e diai'ste sating, 'tting,l'rs,llvicdc,. was adopted. During the reading, all dte Miiii,ters re- ••1e 7 ' 0 ,,, and took their seats. The Benches of the left side e onti e" vacant, with the exception of 3f. S.b fen' ' . b 1 y. Ile. i tiie n o3sbe th lj. e uasse a bt tf lbaste airs of Spain, upon the grounds devek'Ped by of the Chateaubriand, and concluded 14 - • • for the ad°Pti°ll N Otlng project. dsn - 31. de Sebastiani was the next Deputy inscribed to s p eak ' the President accordingly called him to the ribune. .„ not ion 31. the President.— . ! ' must observe to 31. Sebaseen .that is not allowed so to qualify an act of the Chamber. .. 1 _ more M. Sebastiani.—Then I declare that I have n ettle s rig h t ..... i , committed :1 i a ri i , rw l d st he f or e e l l 1 7 7 : .ar m not u f caiiiiil.lyiMatipitaltoecaSksS:etiw(l3‘inuthrtim:oluntsuttai. oftotet; to say. i ( lid , Ir d° On the right---" Ile has forgotten what ee , Buonaparte.' t 31. Sebastiani left the tribune. The President then called 31. Ilumblot-Collte, ' ll 'j: igen ' be re ed the tribune, and said—" After what has jus . i P,m,el e eue not my mind sufficiently free to be able to discieers to ei nunit, and my object in now appearing at thie bone,s i i c e g form you of my motive for not taking part in the Ole" cording to the inscribed order." On therigltt—" You do well." a A T b h s e en P t. re , s , ident called M. the General Atithoitard.,:t. tot: The President.—M. Lefeyre Guineau.—A voice, The President,—M. Sappey. On the right—" They have all deserted." lo t" A voice.—M. Steppe) , is in the conference seat" The President,—Send for 31. Sappey thlt it '''': 31 . Sappey entered ; the President informed liirn . his turn to address the Chamber. i e v teirl d icl. 31 - SaPPey.ln the present disturbed state e 1 . imossibk. - I been Ong The President.—Then the list of speakers " 0 .g through. „I oar . s.• --,aaihilitY "' • lotig• , potha : t l ed . w S et t o r d p et pe o.mman y oeas .- o : a p rr l o t:s . on account of the impve--- - 1 , ir tereee t . dressing the Chamber under our continuation _ dist' r o.; ' - j ae bel o ' On the left centre.—" Supported ! suppOrte d i t ej, , S illifig This proposition was put to the vote, and bol t adjourned accordingly. [ The above report is chiefly- from .L'Etoik and j°l64i. 'III Delgits.) . . : 01; 1 11 1 t E o i illonda l .; artificers of disorder v to o e v i. .. „ `: o 'l 1( o: -......-- RisytAieLd the ce Side for ever!" seditioustile ( ?lock in lc jsienseareairiiikii,,,,l...she Leftime to time Cried — cc y l ) l n a r e Place c h e e n Louis e of X i- V t" , l : 'i theB 20 4 uSarillera''lo();;;k;ll:itclilee Tuileries; and elle Rue , 1/(1 f ro O: were impeded by an immense c rowd, `" ° (tlhe eded in a short time in Oen Hog the atPel_ Manuel.. ' S There d'°fsaY and the. bridg e nf ',mils Aft: the Deputies I f -e-t the Chamber, the vociferatio.el,; Tyrants ." recommenced fn with more violence. The 11, 111 : . , ii x r ‘ c r e drove this assemblage front the Place 1 , 4 e frOm the :el.alt,ile:h! for ,edvt;rf„l:eriesuic: ltue de fliioli, and the I,‘„ Ito 1' `ren t PT the Rue The great mass of factious " p , St. Vonore, opposite the house of !_ern raised. There &... c ,te or •, ivianuel for ever!" "1 1 be Left :, th - . 1 , Pea to , Death tofrtehseh Rsigecillittisoit: :ca':/iibuer:ste:: ever !" cc toe P icovo t who uttered such cries belonged to tli" eo pfr class of the 'populace. A few young P ve er. joined with them; a good number lisicedordi, any furtl w ie e NA.re can atiirm•that a r n r i ested. The gendarmerie, the 11 0 1 0 I ply se the troops. of the line, have cooclocltri , argil ~ives in this conjuncture with traieVil:l,),,t to firmness. pass freely, and without the least olO c . e . A l evil-doers alone ths moment fect-1 order is restored, every tldog rc mi Y tranquil. A detachment of initta'l to been placed before the door of 'lll. 'A I-e ' prevent [IRANI • 44 T....1_ • TILL CONSTITUVON,a-' • , cll. , u uay, a b out three o'clock q nuercw jent assembled im the different ' ''‘ r th eir A o e the Tuileries le terraces es , th e de" to learn the, r esult ",' in orlD liberation relative to M. hinting!. 11 W, ° g ig io' had been doubled. The crowd progrssiv.! w ady be' creased.corne At half-past four it had i,, „roper fo s b o .d considerable that it was theivr:i'vr, the to entruoce to the gardens ; . 4it ' o ' o o o armed r tcrowdforce cleared it.—An eqoally I ' l '4 die waited ; -o the neighbourhood ....a ilie Chain" ) Place err of beim lies; (in the- bridge' a nd of _n. Louis . XV• Several detaclleGtool gendarmerie and lancers o f th e 11.0y 3. 0 Jo. d assembkd, but order was in to criorder turb e and it was with the greatest gl e lio; that e l ' t this crowd showed its interest Pr 1 ,.. ) ,i Oi l ' the cf"` oreied Deputy. At six in the evening increased. Fresh detaclunents of t i/e n tiou e i them,i e and force successively arrived, but order i' ,o or peo to reign. ---At the end of the Sittings that d'e 1011 force began to disperse the . crowtls 0 0 t rowd repaired' to the house of hi. 6 13 " o f Oa theg, t c cli el i o at tnlnt fe nc e . —e r e eb d o i d n gu u ' i lh.tt t p il ili sa l :Ple : i etl e m ei‘uk l i ga i lrf e e s t teir e g nnle o l wf i r4aul v if a i bi e Pt7rf isigsth'reintieuP:oti the i o: saa t plsr i Ptr : , c , y ete i rell‘e r i)o i ell°l i s r'i t ps e ans i seb o) t s le.vil e elealdail r dsi p o bg s illceg e f t r si': : % , r'.l't°(9 . s lii:' : as t ` r':'rle' n irc l iti:l i t af' tttl e iti'll.°l:lllri t °3t 'i t t le ti ) e P'l l e'l l i a lt a lis°:'l l si t i , e r uf'siie:° o l:l' e r'll i t'ile c jie t l:re e lefil ll' i thing disturbed. 'd P 39 s The Duke of Angouleme will, it is 55 1 f ,; f.: fkr i ;, i I