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enable her Majesty. to constitute such bishopric, and to • .... er 'eshie her Majesty further to suheivide the diocese of ei Zealand. . • Also,"Ass-Aet to repeal eertaln disebilaies garter the first of - George the First, chapter thirteen, and the sixth. Of * George the Third, chapter. flitysthree. . , Also, An Act to euthorise the granting of l e ases of -n:: devised by the will of John Clarkson ' Biq a de ee *d, situate in the counties of Middlesex and Surrey. Also,.An Act to enable Francis Adams, Esq., or other. , a e t le.ealamittee of the estate of Mary Shute Adams, a 't.n ; Person of unsound , mind, for and in the name and on behalf of the said Mary Shute Adams, to consent to the exercise of certain powers contained in the marriage, .settlement of the said Francis &lame, and in a certain ,Act of Parliament passed in the first year of 'the reign of her. preSent - Majesty, and to exercise the power of appointing new trustees contained. in the said settlement, and for extending the powers of sale .and exchange cone taiccd in ouch aettlament. . • • . . . MILITIA. BILL - - The House then went again into Committeee on the Militia Bill. Lianas 25, being read, repealing so much of 42 George , lg., as authorises the -militia being drawn aouteand em .bedied in cases of rebellion and. nsurrection, . .. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that ,';the Government had considered:this clause, which, with the permission of the, .Committee, they postponed on the previous night. .The clause -had been • 'objected to by iret a ttJeinher opposite; (Sir IleVerney), and he was sup , ported by others, and there appeared to hou great sym neepothy also on - that (the. Ministerial) sid e o f beethe ,Howse SO- that there was a - very preponderating d Ojection to the clause. Under these circumstances, the Government, would not proceed with the clause. e_ • Mr. BRIGHT suspected on the previous ni g ht th at the. Right Hon Gentleman had not then the slightest -.'intention of passing this clime°. - 'The Hon. 33atonet (Sir Vereey) made some objection to it, and was followed e.; byealltataber who.:_ had some notice on the paper with regard toat; and the RighteHon. Gentleman, -without ,N a itiog foresny thing: like an expression of opinion on the part ()fake Committee, rose tither - to withdraw or post . :pone it; he (Mr. Bright)thought he was assent to with - drawit, but be ended- by , proposing 'to '0 tpora - e allowelet ehe.Home Secretary seethe-Course treihich he • ,was lending himself. When he introduced theßill he referred to this. clause and .to the fact• that the Govern meat had no intention of increasing their military power -for purposes connected with the suppression of public Opinion here, but that the Bill was intended entirely for purposes of defence-, and .he relied on this clause also • - 'when opposing the motion he attar the oath so as vont:ilk . • the service to England and Wales:---(Hear; booty The withdrawal of the clause was'one of those-tricks 'which a Government not rem arkahlefonits straightfotareardiees or • - character for aboveboard - dealingcladasean‘pleyingetpon thesliouse for the purpose of obtainineetheir support to a this . obnoxious-measure.- lie (Mreßright)'believed the clause was not placed in the Bill With eny intention to tarry it. It seemed as if the arguments. Oft the Home • Secretary were .to :be founded upon this cleuetawith re gard to the character of , the Bill, and their, -when the time cameethe'clausemighabe conveniently got rid of,. having served its purpese. The whobecondact of the Go vernment allowed • it,.to ,be .snspetterate grieved to say aat(A. laugh)-ethat they had .not dealt 'honestly and Openly with the House with - regard to this dense. The econeansion was unavoidable 'that Ministers had endea voured to - persuade the House that the object was to raise -80,000 men- for .defensive operations only, when, in re ality, it was as likely that what they meant to do was to repress popular feeling, if they were bold and reek - less enough to propose as a Government what-they ad ..'located in. Opposition. - • ••• eTheCUA.NCELLOB, of:the EXCHEQUER said the - neensolatioxi ,of: _Ministers under the reproaches of the Belli-Gentleman was, that the' conviction of their 'truth, l s r l letras r not shared : by any considerable number of Mein "4e:be. ta The fact that the Secretary of State argued from dMs clause proved hiseinoerity. If ho. could; have faire ifteen-that this clause.would not have remained in the ti a! 3l ll , , he would not have founded an argument on itaex- t -4t ebee. lliialtiglat-Hott. Friend had given up the clause ft hei o th reluctance, when one wh o cou ld j u d ge o f th e t em p er ee t, the. Honse.of Commons must have seen on the subject the cl ause a ._,,very ,preponderant • opinion.: He. athe 2( l ill abaellor, of the;Exchequer), hardly r e m em b ere d' an estance in -which-a:similarity of opinion hadbien more' tagerieral. As toetheselatise being -the mosaimportint, ",.,ruts ins-portant Clause, he could not. agree in ' thinking 0. 1 -40 .-. It might be important in the eyes of - the Hon."- s,eetlernan, who wanted, to guard agai ns t some hypo-. eticnl p e a ce which. he thought Ministers Were..going c-‘to fellow. No doubt, if they had then the profound l'ae,Preseience which the Hon. Gentleman • had,. 'th e y ,' l "ught.,; find even :- iilitia 'Bill the clauses 'of. tho „ 0 support for a policy. _But that, he (the Chancellor s - `"`"arle Exchequer) supposed, must be a'play of the tere.fsecy of the. Hon. Gentleman.—(A laugh.) He r CilYthOtlght the Hon. Gentleman's nearest neighboer m old bave•shared in that somewhat 'sour pleasantry. ',' - ` , ( l4 anghter ) It was note], single objection on that side t 4 l he 'other which l e d to the relinquishment of the • - ZaulOP.it 311;aS not resolved to withdraw it till the Go ' Tar binentevere convinced that :a majority of -the•Cem ratttee were. opposed to it. He had asked leave to have see the elate postpouede:he had not taken the opportunity rmed.to him:of . moving, its omission, bathe had tried to - ascertain the feeling of the Committee, and he was esinvincedat was utterly in vain to attempt Lowry the claw, Mr -elf: GIBSON, remindin g th e Com m itt ee o f a re eaerk made by the Noble Lard at the head of the late i se u din iaisteation, that no one k new so we ll as a l ate dis ti guish!4 statesma n h ow to dress up a case, expressed t eaospacion th a t t hi s clause had been put into the Bill o. dress .it up and give it a popular aspect. He felt, he yemeld not say insulted, but treated rather lightly, in not having the measure brought- before the Committee in a bold, manly way. It• - was thought certain Members !maid be quieted if Votes were given to the militia, and tilemilitia; could not be.- called out to suppress insurrec t.iion. elle did not want to: be caught by these baits; ~.!,acy where Conceptioas',of- the Government's own; but, - laaving induced lion Members' on his side to withdraw 'feu` opposition on account of one of those propositiods, he should i say , that theconise pursued savoured a. little of !!"t'pectiliat: practice known under the name of jockey- Sometimes resorted to when it was impossible to aarry a measure in's straightforward manners Both the P re Positionsa to whicatehe.had. alluded were hammered the Same Ile.would'ask'whst sort of insurree wn, what species of popular movement, wouldeall tor the use of those 80,000 men? Would it be a resort to arms, Public reeetinga?.' - tile begged to inquire first, what btuaiegitimate• _occasion for calling out and'em thateforee? .Aed, secondly, whether by law it Ibuid benecessary to call Parliament together and state " ra : grounds for theeprocedure which, in 'the ease sup- Dozed,' the Government Wohttlsadopt?' . • CLAY-had nddsubt Ministers were strongly con timed that rebellioh in thiatonntry was purely Impos ee'tblee He did not think th e cl ause an i mpo r tant one; , since it had Afpeared, it was nnwise to withdraw it, .r ea nsitheaboaslatiOn brought' against the Government would be in which it was' more likely ' 4l ho believedahan in the Hons.' of Commons, • J.-BELL -could net believe the re was anyeinten tion, f • iertckery . onethe part 'of Ministers in proposing aid withdraivingthie clansee:.But he thotight it uhwise La follow the example .ofeContinettal- kingdoms' 'Which Preserved: order - only by - . artaihs: • '•• MraMOFFATThad viewed the clause!, 'with sada-. motion ass showing that the' Government did notlook to the passibility of a popular outbreak,'lsat 'hid ton& de .. ne cin the p eop l e. It had grown into au axiom that litiamen were -the last kind of troops that ought to be employed in putting down local disturbances.' The ATTORNEY-GEN-ER-AL;in reply tions of the Right Hors. Ist * t e x7 ._ to the clues for Manchester, stated stated what was that the Canceller of the t he e quer ,had very clearly the ,. object. ofh .clveithdrawal of the clause. The 'Committee Must first l e tde whether this the "Rob!? jirethe'neeessity clam should form p ar a. arose lotaanswering eh e aeti gat to repeal .ii;nr,,te:)efe.tahuese;4,.2l4f tien'aelating to-thedefinition ofin'siarreertltkinaa's'citiee the-elense, which was intend'ed struck out, "ait weat - Geotgeilllo were to give a definition; and if-the 'eTtiike remained unn .part emery the Bill, the °mein never could' arise wh e n se P ar t ef would be called oat . for this service; e ee dit remilitia the: Government t ought •to on • •flq't tovide hink to prih Right Hon. Gentleman with a definition: in reeetei to thainitaild , qiieStion, it anti *aided .by , t aa t - o a f , Peril a went that;in cases of.rebellion, &n., it s h ou l d. he" lawful for her Majesty to employ the force, thia e a sas i er , " communicated to Parliament, if Parliament wer e s i tting and declared in Council, if Parliament were ndt!sitting and• also by proclamation. Mr. EVANS expressed his surprise that the Secretary, for the Homo Department' hail not explained whet' the ?lame had been introduced,. A dissolution was approach ing,e.ee - After stating' what he concei ved to be t he motive s "'eh firstindeced the 'Government to insert the clause, and tit - onto - propose to withdraw it, the Hon. Gentlemaa ti o l niaed . his - opinion 'to be that they . who adopted the 'ause were right, and that those who objected to were vi sti i° p *a r fe . witlidratial;ol 'the clause would excite t4O. len btthe country; heriPAClte• dill not ce - nsibi• that thrs Committee. Gthe, n ,Y t h_ : hir to do with tho motiVes which actueted the-. -- -toent‘e • • ' the withdrewal of the e tt er The introduceon or - wag le to r t i . ?:t bnt'he could hot help asking refer 'the Committee if the Govern of whet ,usa, Went w er e e Bill to a hoc Ur, Elere utl a.,t liberty it? eMend tion o f i tio 42a ,- Said; that in comparing the Illth sec the present Bill°°°Fge with the oath prescribed by. sisteriey. B thi ' re eOpeared to him t 6 be an incon etr° l wear 'the); is Bill the militiaman was called upon saingdoin, t h e. would serve in any part of the United just alentione u d -,-3' the . • 111th clause of the Act he had washinto a t was provided thet .th 6 forces shoeld be obvieue7 Mt of Great Britain—the distinction in tween serving in the United - Kingdom and The Great Britain.ATTo • Gentlema o RNEY-GENE L 'thought RA the lion. the 54th l had overlooked a mor e recent A ct, t h at of whic h . George 9-eoegellT., 'Called the interchang a A ct , by, mililia might be• removed from on e kin g d om , to th e oth er.scribe d uit i ci , He would there find that the o at h re was ins erted in the militiamanwaa the same as that w h ic h G . T present Bill. retie ° • t, UuMPSON entered his protest against thp vision y which was obtained ueon this clause on the di- . 4st night, as he con,idered it to have Cc waster circumstances of 8 most extraordinary . haracter. The —eh* Member addressed the House for tioxeem,v h eea h le time amidst continuone cries of " gees- Aster moves made Win wholly inaudible in the . gallery. oral blare - anal efforts to obeaia a hearing, he toleered that the - Chairmanagain. rep3rt progress and ask leave Mr. BRIGHT s blight be the d 'd it must be adenittedthet, whatever Clause itself, the fact of importance attached d r a wn ll by e act of its having been introduced into the Governmen to the b - t and then 'afterwards with- Y the GovernMent was . of sufficient . importance to nuke the clause deseavin. g .of, the „attention of the THE Committee. lie hoped, thoreforo, it Would be allowed to he discussed with fairness and patience. Mr. G. TIJOMPSON assnrcd the CotiamittCe he did .not wixh to trespags 'upon their' attention b-fon4 what, was necessary forth. expres4iou Of his honest opinion. The Secretary fir thellorne Department had said that, the Chancellor of the Exchequer bad withdrawn ails elaustt with relticy,uce. The clause was one which intst have - occopied - the attention of the GoTerntnent, and could net have been Cdocted by them without the most deliberate consideration and the most solid jtitlgnaent of .its propriety. Now t -what-be wanted'to kaow . was, fiat; what were the reasons which 'induced the Government to introduce the clattse into the Bill; and, secondly,what were the reasons Which had since induced them to with draw is? • Mr. WALPOLE said ho would answer both the ques tions which had been put by the Hon. Genticuaan, and' that with perfect ei%celify. First, the clause Wig intro duced into the Bill' because the Government thought' (and ooze more st rong l y t h an h imself) that they ought not to- raise by thi s Bill any other force than that of a defensive foree—a foree not to be used except En resist' foreign attecks., That.was the reason why the clause was introduced , into the. Bill. - He could assure the Com'- mittee that until th ey h ad come to the ctanse'latt'night, ,ho, for one, had w i s h e d to - reta i n bemuse hie' thought there w ou ld be a 'great adviintage'# l • l3( n calling out the militia for the purpose . of stipPiessing' any insurrecti o n or re b ell i on that might takeplace; bat when th e C omm i ttee came to t h e e l awe a strop; ; opposition was"raised to it, not ordy by the Opposition side of the House but by Hon. Members on the Mr- - nisteried side, and ' communictitiens were made to the,ici Government from all quarters respecting it. Ho could; assure the Committee thetawas merely out of deference; to what he believed to be the predominant opinion of the`; Committee that he had given up, and he would say re. , luctantly *given up, this - elause of the Bill. Sir H. VERNEY wished to say that when hc sug 7, gested last night. that the.clause should be omitted he was surprised it should- have met with so much approba tion on ; both sides of the House. His sole object originally was to call attention to what he conceived was an interference with the prerogatives of the Crown. I3RIGHT • admitted that he had felt very warmly on the subject, but, after the explanation'which the Right Hon. Gentleman had given, he begged to say that any thing which had fallen from him •that eouldpossibly reflect on the honesty or sincerity of the Right Hon. Gentleman he most distinctly withdrew. The House divided, when there appeared— For the clause ... 6L • Against it ... f a Majority against' the clause" a--90 On clause 28 being bsought up with amendments,' ~ Mr. GIBSON asked if Governnient were deter mined to adheretto the exemptions of 42 George IIL.? If ' they exempted the students of Oxford and Cambridge,: they ought to exempt the students of universities which, had started up since , the passing of that Abt. Why were Thames w'atermen to be exemPted ? Really the exemp tions ought to be adapted to the present - day. He also wished to know what the Government meant by a poor man the father of More than one child born in wed lock." The deputy-lieutenants were to decide that point, and,it would be useful to them to know what the definition of Government was. • - • • Mr. EW.ART considered ,that GovernMent had given him .a a plecrge on a former occasion that they wourd con sider the &Aims of the students of the London University to_ exemption from service. • • The - ATTORNEY-GENERAL did not consider himself called on to state what a' poor man was. It was impossible to give a definition of the words " poor man" which would apply to every pan of the country, because they formed a relative term, and he who was a per man in one place could not be considered so in another. There must be 3 , ery considerable discretion left with the deputy-lieutenants, and ho had great faith that that, discretion would be properly exercised. A desultory discussion ensued, after whioh4be -clause as amended by ,the Home Secretary was agreedto. The RIGHT HUN. GENTLEMAN then brought tip" three. additional clauses, -the first prescribing that the qualifi cations of officers might be derived 'from personal as well as from real estate ; the• 2,3, providing that a 'Sup plemental corps might be raised by voluntary enlistment in one county to supply the deficiency in another county; and the 3d, extending thei time bf appeal, and increasing the number'of places itatihich notices might be given. 'These several clauses were agreed to and' kidded to. the Bill,, as was another brought pup by the Attordey- General exempting Quakers without property who re fused to serve from being sent to the comtnon gaol. Colonel SIBTHORP and Sir D. L. EVANS, , who had' notices of clauses upon the paper, the one relating to the qua lifi ca tions and appoi n t ments of officers, !arid the other extending to this Act the exemptions contained in the 44th George HT., c. 54, withdrew them bon-the understanding that the Government vvotild.consider them opviotts to the next stage of the Bill: Mr. HODGES proposed a clause to follow 16, pro viding,that in case of any volunteer or substitute being found guilty ,of desertion he should be sentenced to serve for the same period as if he had originally enlisted therein in any of . ..her Majesty's regiments stationed abroad. • Mr. BERESFORD did not think the remedy which the Hon. Gentleman , had proposed was tho'best that might be chosen for the evil to which he had re ferred. lie did not think it was by any means a desir able principle that a man who had misconducted himself in the militia service should be considered as fit for the regular army. He thought that that would be a slur upon the standing army which be was sure no Hon. Gentleman would wish to throw upon it. Besides, if a man had deserted from the militia in the third or fourth year of his training, it would be hardly worth while to be at, the expense of sending him abroad for complete the re maining year of his .service.--(l.lear; hear.) 'Under those circumstances, h© hoped the Hon. Member : wOuld withdraw his amendment. The amendment was immediately negatived without a ivision. The preamble was then agr ee d to. • Ize The. House thereupon restmaed, and The CLIAIRMAN reported that the Bill had .Patised through Committee, with. amendments. •: . • , The Bill was ordered to be read nil:Aril • time, on Thursday next. NEW ZEALAND- GOVERNMENT ,BILL. On the motion that this Bill be reads ticoht.l timee . Sir W. MOLES WORTH expressed Ws' digs-I)ooldt ment at the contents of the Bill. He was induced to en tertain a favourableimpression of the weasitire' by the statement of the Right lion. Gentleman the Secretary for the Colonies. • On looking into the' Bathe was sorry to say. that_ impression had utterly disappeared. In - ;the first instance he objected to the LegielatiVe Coienotla being nominated. • It appears thae the colony Was to'be divided into two parts. Within the English part - of NeW Zealand they were to have English laws. In the - nafito part they were to have native customs and laws,`pio vided they were not repugnant to the laws of hrthanity. With regard to the English port of New Zealand, a divi , sion was to be made of six provinces, each of which was to have all the incidents of complete authority: The eup,erintendents of the different provinces were to have the.ordinary functions of a colonial •governor;bleeept that they were to be responsible to the governor in ohlef, and, not to the Colonial Office. In respect to 'the' provision of a period of two years being given, within which the -anent of the governor might be given to a measure, it was his (Sir • William Moles worth's), intention to move an afriendment in Committee. The measure was of a mist complicated character. It would create several governors and - se veraltlegisleturas, each of which might have a code of laws of their own. How, then, was - it poesible for any person to say what was the taw .of 'New ZTa land? The code of each previa& might' be`different. He had no doabt but that the Parliament of 'New Zen:- land would fill the.statute books with Acts of the-greats est wisdom; but it did not 'follow that these Acts would become law. These Acts might be repealed in three ways. First, by a, prochroation of 'the 'governor. fri ' Chief; secondly, by instructions from the Colonial Office to the governor; thirdly, by an Act of the 'General As sembly at any time. And then again, this Act of the:Ge neral,Assembly might be within twoyears retooled. The Bill was well calculated - la create the - greatest con= fusion. In reading through this Bill; when they found a clause containing a :liberal provision Th ep foUnd another that de s t ro y e d such provieion a nd then 'they found a third that destroyed the destroyer. , ..-(Latighter.) There were to - be two enihappy judges to 'administer the laws. . Surely if they recpired separate legislatures they ought to have eeparate judges. The provinces N Alv Zealand should not be suberdinato athres—they ought to 'be made municipalitiee, with Power _to elect. their own corporate officers, deter position of petthaP mina tho salaries to be paid to them, and to !rake bye- laws. Those erintendents would be Owed in the wal iron ! d h e . apotsie When he considered what that wsro made subject tendento, ho.wow, ten they were to select their stiperin welly taxing offie.eoorreaced that• they would -be like so the worst description, unless they lions. lie obje-cled.esepPecer:lkylartcoean control b y nominate', legislativ e council.. eery s i r felt cnownvzit:nciendatdhat such nomination would tr in an, other colony, council. work worse in‘ inasmuch as there was m etro . it. He also strongly-objected to tits a ft° g feeling against land to the settlers. It was a condition of Crown minish the value of the grant in the eyes that vrould di lly this Bill the New Zealand Company would sett first charge upon all the lands of New Zealatilciave he amount of ss. per acre. A gross -injustice would be done to the settlers of New Zealand. H e muylt sail upon the House to protect the.coLony frourthe influtitibe of the New Zealand Company.' This company+ 'by with the Parliament had obtained its influence d F d The large from the Consoadate au .present Act grants wou ld make them three mortgagees oti-the land .of, New first Zealand,rg and by the 74th clause they were'to have the b e upon the lands.. He hoped. that the House would as._ u eist him in stopping ono of the er many jobs that had been p erp etrated in' that - Haase .by p the. New Zealand Company. The blue books contain accounts of many pu blic mee ting s being held in New Zealand. In 1850 an Act was pas sed to give a eensti .: colonies. He took the tutiou to all the Au s trali a n, re the ;souse liberty, at the time, of layin g befo re t ought to have sketch of a constitution which he though " been given to th em . O a the a rr ival of the repo rts o f the debates th at t h en too k place up , on t h e sutket, it 3P- pears that numerous public meetings were held Dew . Zealand, the result of which was the sending.Of I cam her of petitio ns to that House, and memorials to the .Secretary, of State, in favour of some such constitution ac he had suggested for Australia. If the principle of this subdivision be carried out, the time would most pro bably come when, instead of six, they should have sixty legislatures, by the natural.inerease of the population. The address from Nelson suggested that one central le gislature and an executive was quite sufficient for till purposes. What- he (Sir William Moles= worth) would propose, therefore, was to omit from the Bill all the clauses which had rate- SUN, LONDON, i rence to provincial councils, and, in the next .. p]aae, to 1 vesi', in the Gal - Aral' As'Sethbly the, : powei of COnitite tin g trtunieipalitieF. i fle sho4a be,sorry, inded, to wee New Z33 - tand diviiliodiotoik,'OliiPe42fo'r I).Y its *LiY Pacn.r.9 , I Lilo' colony - V 9, p pp'4tiettl hait.'l[3citig„. SO, 1 ditant,'"troni all ' Other' 6.'itintriei, hlie • ‘VOUIChave ~i4f), ' nattrAl e noili;s ' 'iirites.i.tli y - Were created= by ,the y:. i)l vernMent at '.l . i'diiiti citti v ng: ii4s ; tli f q bii4.lida . into everal diatiuct PitiiiiiieCi, each.,Vith its ilis4ot legislature. , ';;-, I 6 i opinionof the' s•dt*T 6 ils ircis is conformity with his , t;r•v.a —namely, that there ought to bentie..united legislature for Ode whole eolenY,'and-bd begged to give notice that- iia Committee on; tho-Bilf'hn.ShOuldwepoeo,stich amend-. merits' tie, Ili ii a oPiniee, were beat • calculated to carry into 'effect the reasonable, views ; ;of the .settlers.; lie 'trusted the House would not-consent. to passthe measure • ,i‘.../diti4,ls.'ArePselJnßt•RsiiLatP'i 9,1d - hh : v;iS:glad i tO A ltai,n, that o piortanity'll ' stating itie , tteaticaenta Contained. iti.,A petitioti - Whieh he : Was tee Isle ~to',pkerA n ;,,to the - . .ftblio -WhOi the. .order Or: til4,;clay;. - ..for . the: second 'reading:of - this . BilltWes called *i., lt, wasi'the 'petition of . ' the''CitoteOtry' Association,.''. by;no `..means an.unitu/3ortatit,pettien ef-110. igoi . ,' . .grOp apolpisi, sl s. The asSecliatied,:?o their petition, Stated'. that they had 'observed with feelings..Of 'dtiep: stitisfactionAtt a Bill' had been'.'iiikrectticed - tO this:'Hoase: for' the,piirOe.se ,of, e stablishing;:witbin the colony ofNeWt'etilind' a dotal'''. ' qiitioh - foOnded•tipon pritiO:ioes 'which Wciiild:gl:7o them,. 'dila 'control '6Ver'thi.' management' e their s Own, affairti.., They said, : that they had made thettisgly c es acqUaltked,2 'with the pr6!iitiongsef this - 'theasiire,. and they. vere . ; enabledte . asstire the .I.liniiii4ith CbsifiletiO,;that h ,':es:;a: While'', and in all iIS 'inain feifures,if * Weald. !e ailed, with the 'gretiteat Satisfactlon,ai: a., boon of ineStitph. valuer— (Cheers.) It wss' . ii g fit "ho oh6tilB"ol46 irk), that it was only owing to Aliiii debate - i Coiniiii; : eß,st # , earlier 'period than was e.9paed - fhat petitions of a:an:ll,7, ler nature frOniindfyidualS..in , 4Ohdon,„ authorized „to.' speak 'the sentiments ot other, Portions: the giOup or colonies., had not been presented tO, the : Howse.--(Hear.) He'bould'aiiiitb' the Houser that the citi"istien was ,tO.O , far. gene; ' and tooripe to admit *Of the delay . prophsed by' the Hon. Member for Southwark. It Was all P' *9,11T , tot that Eon:baronet, and - other non. ,Combat.:,-year . after 'year to' propese' fur thdr '‘delaY till`they should hex", finished and polialied - off . a . measure exactly own Mind's; 'lint lin (Mr. Adddriey) would` tell (lei* and: the HOuse that it was hazarding the integrity : of the: empire itself, 'thus to 'play. with the feeliggs. of. the leold''' nists. The 'great Want of our colonies was self-government; and they did not 'ask that 43 a hoon,or a favonr.. They . simply asked, as British' inbjeets,' to have extended to them the rights of British subjeats.' - It was Seveifyeari: since that 'the' House acknowledged that Hew - Zealand was 'fine'rer - ii`oeisiititittion;' . : It a great debith which' took place in 1845, that . . wit amplYadinitteciall th,4, • leading Members of thig]'HOutilti,, including - the' iata Sir Robert Peel; Lord JOlStllh'sOlt; ilidttbnotrablii"tdoitil. ' ber for Southwark liitinielf-in short,.by all who ;too, part in that;d4bate;•Whicili2;was s ,:sookt 013 .Sy tiiejat, - , , ' Charlet' 'Bnller;' an , abler.' adv,odatts;,, perhaps, ,than: the, colonies' had 'ever since possessed inthatHouse:(Loud ' • • , crieS'nf• 4 1.1eitit,l'heiiM '' 4 Tati., l lgl': 6 ri 6 gi`ouPlatet! , the various inenstires - adopt4a,,liiin j !ke ierOce 16 the government oT . IsrAi' l 'Zialatid, lance' ,gat.:,pericd„ , thit Hon. Member proceeded to SaY:iliat',;,ivati the acee3sion' of the "present Ministry to twarot, - seeing the position in which the colony was _,placek .at& having a Measure banded' to him by his predeaess&r, fipirl Grey, ,whoti• ' & was represented:' as urgent' arid - absblutely necessary and only to be illeg.,ally‘ withheld; the Right Hon. :Gen tleman the Secretary for the Colonies had; with a prOpet "sense zOCduty; dddreised himself to corny to the Meet.; sure so , framed by , his. predecessor Accordingly the present Bill had beet prepared, and the Howie was now in that very clasSical position ofiutritg " three Coursess"'. op'n twit; to continue the.present Suspension . Act; : to do'notbing at all, and thus allow the suspended Pict of ' 1846. to come into force next , ycari or . .to pass'themeti sore at that- metnntit nnd&eonsideration: ', TO : continue ' the present Suspension Act would lie to driVe the cote-: :nuts-into a frantic - state'orirritaiien;':fOr , th a t ,cy.ilizi. bo still to tlepriVe theta lif the power nf''effectittg thosa:irn; (ja measurei: i s ruev e n n i o e ti ,l n Y 13 0 f tt : Ps e t 6 i n b° 'Member : j e hgl i i e lo e'lte n ins i b s e : l ; 1 I z i e s; d t-''Y r were e. ( s b a lilne oiii e n c e Pau t o i i l '4 r ni:e l lic:ii `frondit. . 6we k n i i' i ii r: ct . 6. :3ve e ,; - - * L'ia r . : lB e ll : cii r t b 6 ; ii f :O a i :i:s:Ctftriti hadn': g il l ih v e "with . c sonie" : trif,itoed. ~- , tilio‘;' triovivoin7L.dhdo-7,hhoEi,6.HOfoLh:7 at 'the meeting held:4l 'lcrelsot: 'lll‘;thitoliit.:lB6 ; ri,:, a' central legislature, ' ceinpoiect of trio hboieS l ,balti elec:' rive, hirable; dhauteitnVt,i'4l:- f tid x red i:v b; ;l :Otti ef el; : t B fit ci s a i r le!ll 6 rS l; Sih d : l t for it voneitry.'qike , ice ir • Zealatd,a= form of goierinnent ' Which Irani& confer upon the -- several districts large' ::poWers of tidaling with alflocal - questions Would be most s atisfactory' and effeient ' To ttilfitiine',' effect Was - the' op ini on 'expressed by the ' noleiliati at the meeting_` held in Noikmber, 1850, anif again at the Meeting ai'Otago, , It . montbor , tice alter that... The constitution Orepoiled by tha,Hon. Baronet the . ' . lWeraherfor 'Southwark wilt for (m o n otony only. What was the'".'reiliiifferineth(with that tizedption) • befOreerilhentilistitiftif the 'lltin;Baro .:* net and the Government? , The Icietil:Barotint proposed`• a central legislature and excentivh. oconstitutctiler thd 1 whoWeoloty, but. munioipal bOdiestfbr local - purpOSes.—• Ho tilir.'Addcrity) agreed that there - Wad .one. blot in • , the measord•i-.--thrt - conciterentlttristridtiOn 'of the central' and 'lohallegialaCifres. 'lf thiit'CoUld 'he ieniediedL-as he doubted not that it could bei . then the Govermatent mea sure. . practically, would secure, ill tun advanttons ' which the Hon. Barenetthe Member for Southwark proposed to attain. The language of the Hon. Baronet . was identical with that of certain articles iu leading journals, ' which might' Wake a powerful impression on such as did not examine the-subject for• themselves; but the .only two New Zealand papers published in' London - were in favour of the Bill; and . accepted it 'as : . a 'great . boon-•- (Hetir;bedi . )-='-atld the opinion's of' the colonists them; selveS Was' of far morerttlim than the essays oflphilpso.' . phers;"Whii,' . ilftheir geariel thebries;'iiverhiok the useful li an d the practiedl.-(tiehr, bear) I t might li t sqi4. g, t; u n ne t ,_ !the niimberie . f itie coleniitslicre netoonaiderable—not exoentliet§6,ood,persons.,`,'Wt-ab;p bast nt !, were tttie that i. , a h4 b dt o i d o.7 y y , e, o (r g 4,6ai., rt, gt i, i o ii iji titt iig o i n an td a . ,to d .f i o n u i n el d ii .o e tt ri r t hear..) 'The Mtn:diet t?f councils , wa s not apportioned to : the , ntiiiiber '6f petiiinis; but thetitimbe6l, settlements,, separated - by'tbe physical- festuTO. Ofrthft.vointry,,,or divided bY.differenrplaiiii' Of Celeniiation, With' regard, 46 - tilt ''debt it ' - 'had" hben ' recognised - ly:ACt...4 : ;Parliament; .: and - must . be Pad. by,,the ~mother fent-. titjt'jka l .the ColOnists:'''Vhdinother'Sottutry, yas injustice lawid 'te'pay.it,'asit'ha,beitcaused.' by ,the blunders lor "the errors 4 former ' n oin t niaE,seeretaries, in, .eir, - ' ctirnitattees certainly exoeetlinglY;diffieulL', The. 0 10 ' . :nists;;howerier,. had' expressed a willingness to "pay. and they: Were the' best judos. tut did 'not object, to the measure for 'liquidating it by lend - sides; on the con 7dition'that4hey.stnig.,ht' haft an optio4, as ro - the price. of , the ISidi' and 'tfitit discre tion Was - giventhem by, the Government Bill'''ln ConCliisiiin; he, rzitil(l . .*4. , a p‘i.• Sage kola 4,:ktvt . 'written - by ,:o gentleman :4710",repre stinWd the colobiati ih - this Condtry i4'.":TheinghtObject let to the details of the - Bili, I believe it Will. be an in calculable advattage,'Undthat it Will' bsi -Cousidered..as a great boon:I - While, if rejected;the - celonists„ wearied tut by hopes deferred, Will despair of eidr:Obttliiai,og.t n'e,° ts . isd'ofien , pronsised, - and the want 'of lithich they-So hit terly feoL"- -, .., .-. •••'. - *weal hia ~roy~l hd had eiPfessed his .apPrOYA , efiliediligencl'whiChirtid been diSighied,r,hi,.( ll l.B4ght. Itort. •G;entleantri* t h e'-`Colonial - Sqretary:,.,, Lto...we fairourable'46 giVing Liberal' schnst4ol3 9 . l A o - histS, bat adierih'io giving': thein i siMpeil'ePt CO stitutions:. This, unhappily, - on one or two oecasiOns %ith very 0141:40 4: "• -„' s licinotirable , ' and Learned s•Frientis 'the Member 'Pr Southwark had-stated OA gi.biltitle Gov moving that the t Bill , be road it second time bait :drif direr; Meeoo he wits; of opihiori Slit this •;cuttise ,shoulds'ke incl.thenongideOtition- Of-Abe 'Bill gestp,ood:'' itratsed, ills the moat :difficult qiiistion4, - 'fdetat and 1",t1„g9-. Vernmeritir;`elticforal and official'maribits,'aUctso fvYfr.`77 the-que4tibils .9 .0 0e7 inent•Blll Wettld be" raired`ipon'ilii" . The,w"al s tl94s great qtietitini3, foi•hastrinees, of the. provinci al coannO• and there was: the-IttestiOn. th6'ltaci Ist-IP-02 being girth up td-the colonists,.to ;vilifcli . 'he, bad ' - 'setae serious.doubto:' A similar ' mettitire'*:teme: respects had been prepared -:by•the' late' -Sehtetary l far th'os tq lonle4i • Who, nom:4er, - had •Se . n . fit• . otit • for conSidetitti6n in the OldayV Sn;iio) colonists' should hale thy ' -opportunity Of - fully "CDiask derittg, rtbe!iircNiefrirle. lie' bel ieVed' . - it - would bet to•pootpon6;tbe 'that, *e ' eolotitsts:irould*: as io 'be' thrown Into a state'of frantic irritation by such a course, or. would be offAadedlik the Bill' being dilly considered. The ox pressed opinion of the colony , had not been all , ciao, Way, and it undoubtedly Was 'divided.. , To deal with the New . Z3aland Company' was B'n:tatter of ditlicult,y, which bad been settl4d 'last session, And it - need not have been'intra duce& into this Bill. If this`" pare of the measure were not excluded, great diseussidn and would bactinv&l; Mr. E: DENISON prcferreil'the amendment 'Of the Bill to its peeeponetnent—(ifear, hear.) He . . ditt not hove this would be' at prehended that, as the Bill neli - igo9q, it 4 rAtht'haVe Abe effect of overwhelming the celenista councils; and its' machinery might be the 'Ountbroni anct its opera-. tion too nornplos. It would , facilitate.t he passing . Ofthe Bill if the errangement of the functiona df the 'subordinate councils Were left to be settled by 'the Central , LegislatiVe Assembly: . i s • • • . concurred the•opinion that Would be better to-leave the -settlethent'Of the functions • of the district Councils to' the Central Legista4ye: sembly. ,, -Ae would giVe his suPpoist to the' Bilfoind :be deprecated :any delay in a measure which was Olitr Of: vicul inapoitan ee t o the cotOny... 'With respeet to the consideration.Nee' Zealand t distnteresLed motive.Bh s hould 14 C ompa ny, had :e t bee n m b o t a t b : rni inin gitttuh4 ac tuated le o : d s i i t n m. e t b ! s e oc Y r e p . e ti n't h s o l It t an iet t o i l ' e e f r 12 ; l o t d . t h tr'° : t : ed L t j a ; m Y ar 7 ,F a . 6 F EE ti rj te s m id eri h t of 'ob . ?tor.tiebseeßritt,:,ri_l3: rititilh;kht.,ssadtitiiwaphpilreorethder2eh,wtehroeugmi4tan4ybpoat:44 O in n. ra l?i itt r e o e n . et Irthedid the cotiisio fo adopt wOlt rie :::jillt.tihiC4-"lit(41 mt' t t) : hr ra p lt : 3 9 Ptia c t e d i:t' . eh t t !! p ß a i s ll s t .i o n n ti t i!) he p c i c e i s ti e t ti rit t r e y o , ,s h in th,&giti p it a b n ot T e i r 846 P' nsi "" th t eM ' e l t” measure th p e u ri t b us y t ' Ad th ei n c if o o ti 'f . sideration: though not upon h nourable Member for North -Stagffordshitr;lee , tho a u tl „ tielpationS ley), that they Ought Lot to disappoint. (Kt' Arldesr:. - of the colonists ou t the subject, if the present' measure ware to nasS,-represe'n!tlttivhetit t stitutions would, not be given 'to New Zealand. rine too late.-(Boar, hear.) It was' but just tb G. a-t 4 to state, that upon his appointment as' gevernor of thh co l o ny he found it in a state of anarchy and civil e'en.; fusion, and war with a powerful waive raee. - In he: course of six years, he had, however, succeeded in bring. tch°onhdiistti°orny of peac e P o e u ac r colonial' an d P prosperity 9 t h e i el s! c— -a° paral l ellliPYair n t 11a bear.) . Any one acquainted with the r SATURDAY c3nditic.n pf ri'i,iri_.4 ialand must admit, as Sir G. Grey had stated it i _that ttregreat. - ifiestion which.this , .country -1 .4 , d to 6 411)....with rgapect t.o.New Z?aLsnd,,,wae.net how ;.• ttIeYATPV 3 .,t 9 0910 4j 4 ! it,.Pr . to,-.What extent selfgorern-' meat, w4lB, to tiktgiVVll -t:,. 14, COlOtiStS, bUt'llt)l7 they ti . eould..liestsuce.ipet.in:th”eivilizxti on etthe.mative Tac,!. r Tnat W as :the robjvgt :Whieii,- Sir G. Grey. had- to's'. great t. c t x i t'? ;.Jf. t. o ;: n 4 s 99 :4 lsl ,L C : . u. 'll ,l 'l g; ..e i‘t t i a ll k o n .i g 4 3 lll 4l:l cti d ie ir by r : e il Pr ilr 1116ta, ,b ti e v" (rl iii r: :' 172.. Pea) - did fl-ot;,laelieyc.thit :that .objaet wculd have wren.; ', ll t 4 io.4 l o'§uogro4ll.4l - t . 0.11,',-as they,,vioaldatill hoe Peen:..;44 l 4.gifiWn.' l 4C As _ watery ,--atery witb.:'..the 'native yawl:, The,. Bsgu nyQPixof .., 03, jit33.,AlfttOnet tO.O ::Number far 89 4tbw , tr4 r.feul to 1 111:9,tv-that alipreieetative institutions. 'were not altogether an unmixed been toahinfantPotonti-' end .experienee. previld:: that in such casee,,,,..*bat' was' ir,,lteii44,.-to 'lie 4nati'fincilepti,eniatiorrofte47 , dwindlist into a merely , J°gal TaMoentAtion of ibiltiAisrliOutar' ,i4 0 444,1Yw.4i4 tlaPPqueti..lo;24e made: theiileot , uf Gbverm.i', ffAnent, .ii,u r ci t 4 rivpreeentaiiy© ,assembly ultiinatelytoama to 6 ° °,9m1 39 4e4 - i9t-PV4 . 10116 w 13.990 pccapetiolk,or:TrOfesi;' , sion enabled tiafga y.,10-, ,r - Csida. near tio , ',4 l P° l46era She ' Assembly was hold; and the more distant interests of the f c° . /° i,- 41gr i a F."-Cq'r4 ll X , :nogleeted or: unrepresented. ^. 'a 9f, likkw," ZealanizP.,it appeased ____ ski;; _, seluteiy essential to have separate local!coW101 16 , 'EMU , i t h he o Y p i i n i d ll:rip 4lo°4 4% l 44 'B r4 . o ll :t g io S ' n - ., til t i e ! r OM C lt efgle ada d te li d P i o tO n .. self to qUAliokoe of the oiretioasianoqa which isfbund f ex ,istiog in ;sloby, 4 , alatlel. - i,: lie :,,considerea ilia _:thei:*,_u re , bound to ....attfiti4 to . 010 : ponditiou• and ditolmstanoes tov the c, 01 .94,tei1. , 344: Alfir - wefla 'legislating.ta.titet. ll2 l l ol attempt to Carfy 4tititlMlne9Alfiltv t notiatfik et (.14vernf'! meat ,whiqitlhey, might7iith to introduca-f.into .the `co ,i0n5 , ....., ...Ast4 - .Anat. l lco 0::)i.. thialle n3ight i zefer,tovihat: .:was'Pstss n st t i r,Caki 4 Good Uopp.-; tio. tong** i h s" -P04. 4 ? 7( 1 4 ' . '§° 4 _e 'I: 1-1 41 1 1PagASI -,hy ;II ',C+ol.eraQt , '"ther7 heard`, I:nothiiii . ot o ,the . l conflicting ._; interests` °f' differ - efallPtl: l '.lle!ii _ ... fis 'soon,. however, , • as, lis: Wall 1 ' - ,Pt9i l ßied (11 ,9?„ater.:10e;governeient 9f, i t he colony;z l Pou - a Teßco: 44 112 .va !)' 0 ! 9114 § 1 Y,t4e.-easteru:'.cliottiat: SAked the . Gorerntiaiiiit .to remove-the: Beat . Of ligivlaPArujr° 4l Cni4e''rOwn, which .We.l,-tie-exf.iiopie liinit,of,./,b0,-viOtern .distriet,to,a Ripro , piktralTip4„.o r . t o , divide .00 whole , 61.94, , ,-,in (4 ',_P,O s eparate (rkf.tr449,. as. jt..o , 4B,;io:lPelsible - '664 Lhe a t . 4, , Ol at eut o r 0 from 1 1 19 eastern district couldtatford - ..' ' --rT' - il l ei - fro illeir. toepen .. , . 0i.,Y.9.4„r1 1 1 a P ,1.#9 far dyttan; JP' 9YglTX'si,4 .6 Ueos4,., Tkere.<o94til.be • uol4oubt , ,tatikt4bere must be , ta.;%lOV ~,eniaasi a: eentrak i lesislatarki ils .th e' Whole 9Fibe... - colohy,hh4• l # ~Was, eci t ogyelear-;,,g0 bill • mind that such irgialature should' exercise exotasts's itl risctiCtioa. over the cOunciliviiate. general '.would haiii`cobilieting Systems .of datiea ts of postage, of Without the existence,. of the currency,, ey, .. 4, 2 r i tial ,'PP:OPP,fIT27ancI -other : Matters. 7.--'irboalot were questions upon . 1 ./Fileq,ALfi, , A4oaght.tkiere c could bltki , Rio d0e6C,0:0,"50 14eANPFicri.,?kt4i;:41eitieresevO1Ifor'l 'i - E4,::aci4ipii, „Of. L th? T Raaeraki-, or , central_. t o l erably. o4piaorratisedieptirovo jurisdiction ;The - '•,..ge .oirephiFitl3fr PPNtioliz, c y . e . the cetii4 • • ;,,refidered fl t. tiliglii,gl fleOsifF,,y;.W4ivi.de it.uite - :-prOvincea, eEtell. 'NO its separatifAnnpoi.. , ,,ra;:additiO n rte, .this ,there; Yf"- •11t1r4i1;WABt1FA' that centre to which - and . TronteWhiCiit j e different interests of. 'the !can 't - ,could b 3 Said ‘to radtateaud,emanate,andtherelgas ala9-Want- :lug:that eOmaienhend Ofitiniau.Whiel t would . barequired ;if all 'interest ' s were 1 ' 0 ' ) ; - e,:ooll 1 t4iseil; iii ‘ ,.,ilne . general 'legislature .tai the: At, tbe;i s Atue,Ame be '.,hoped tlitit,"..i)4 tile.:‘nooaosif.e'iMatS„,4ll.,tfme settlEpentv .WOuld behlertticlii,tito en'e,,.end•that blew:Zealand-Weald. eventuallyfoira it, single. and - confederate society, _ n e . ' was :. glad, therefore, to ..see that lierlialesty's-Gevern-: went had inserted" :Prpviso- an - the Bill, .leaving to the , general EaSenShly not Merely the : e*chrsive 'jurisdiction. ' over certain previnces,!butTalso a concurrentjayisdMtion over all otherAaeSfinns upon which ;ha prOyinciakOoun, cils - might: legtilati.' ". ',l;in ;4.0 'many 01 '.!•tii , oi.i9118, , t o ,. the o rc. ,i s i 9ne of thii JAIL napfe z , eipteia lYtkit4Os 9 r.uwing, to the constitution ' - dr , ibe 7 Upper charaber.ofthe general; asseeibly,•the'cieUlt,ittition 9,1 the bu lo t ca r.6 l pc. ,ou4n4ci,.irlspacee.dt.h,toe.. Mtgnt,also say to.. the .. power which it was proposed; to. COofer upon, the ,OetietatasseMbly, not M ere l y ler the rip-, prop - Fiat:ion •f, the .141. nI;vveTiLw , '• the managemOnt of tlie:, Waste: ; lands of ,;he colony. He ' remarks - .WOuld, hc.,voiVr,,reberVe any he might have. to., innate matte scoot} : i I t.o n dir t ,at i er l i ihar 4 ,Il eap;:tHe6 e i ; H I a tu o. 47 0 1:a ...,i leati.:eb,w6tgf:: opinioni at i i 4a u li to o 4. 0 . 14 - P ill:i o nti i n gh , a 9e; - . , . ortlib Bill, so' iiir'aS'`.,l-0c9i 11 4.i 11 4,9,,,- 4 appe4red,t o be : I ;4: ii% 'e ip lilli br : ; l) a .b ifig ;L:(lll 't 1.1 1)1 : 1 , S ; ?131 is 4:i nte i - c tl e ° 'dknita of ' ,tlllS,'Sugot,. tho' Lton,sp , i•hould consider: its - g4nOint iuiiiiioii ' lie - .. 041,sidereil lbatlll6-wroae l it , - p„. ''•fia,iiierif qiigiit . tbrail; PrOLognil by di s cus s i o ns p l i:th q i :?(feraiii'lifii'f3llllOr'jiiig:a:etlastituti,ozi to..sl :: ey, , Z;;alintl, 7 ITi6it*a'S's,),th:6o[Fistioubof°,otl39l4iY4Silits;#P3.tlltPee; 'th's ' - iftetiaKr the y ...were ? eson!o ll owtoPi hts - nnn scheme for - d , 'ODicinialeoiOltiitina,:'. l 9 urge '..4 1 -. l lg 1 - 414F,4 1 ..f11e 'adoption tit, that J chein e,.. Or'. to •be., c ontent ,to view; they . 'plait of the•GoveiliMentlus'a'Otole, and f044ig,14 it in,, - that . iigiit to'dni:ept. it, or t aking 0 645 .4 1 4 , C 6 ur5e iq4l 3, .I: p e r e 4 t e i t t i . aal T nl h e a n t, , w w a rt e h t . li a, e p : 4 l 6 te ti ,rp, ca a l tiv a before them. If .theY wished . .' j .for' tin Opporte t aity Pr d'rissing the ,r l 4 l as object in view, they * n isi . T on the 'Main - .content: 'thorns:elves „with . .adtiiiting ~sficb, 1 I:lita andllstating'beneficialb7jleSa 'the °llle : i lii . . 4 ;ii C i lb I 21 'ande t' p a "t O h n i n ::: i d l ud i t i :n g .gainY3. . whi ch 6 f . the thathe Bill snore i . h. i 4 11 ~ bt: whole, 13 • 4.' noe.oifprevious colo nial ;legislation,. if he• a d ver ted t O -prOtisione Which ,Iln - thought: i .fatiltY,'hc. would r'efialtifroas urging hia . ol*Ctions, ,pri- Aes ig sti4''ousO Pieso PiOriiioD# should appear, to bp 64 , druigeroul)'ftb'm 's iakeit; bit'th6 . 4hOke, advisable thatthe p d o efi ne n d iti f v o e r - i .a eo u rfti ot i h d er atit ye lo ai ii . Of :l l 4 l 3 iC eo 'B u i ld li .. ..shotild l'• . ; p9st-, • not Pa occasion of this kind," .wh en they dealingwer n e sby wi a th n the question of giving a constitution to a remote colony, without recallin g attentio n t o a 'fal se p o s i t i on in which they stood with regard tp the Government of that class of colouies,.. li e was net awar e th at any Br i t i k h county had arrived at ajaist, end what he would: call: a norrOkt.' relatiO4 between the colony :and' the ,_toothar, conntrY. By a normal relation he'did r4ot Metin,,arelation.fonagled. ....flaittli.,seaelOpnpeel.dabu.'4l6.ins 4 t4A tat-.":: re icks ia4.i octil ou gra tte! n ie d adi p ug olit ie ie a st u t CUICi o i which, iu,old times inhiiated-for,the.purposea-bfalonial' gover,unient, and ;Revnr attained i n ' a greater . degree! I,hn - topy f oen thie,comatty=- li ed : , :her North American ' :Ceileifiie.., ) '-.4 was P9w. .th9Ftght-tbat 'a . colony hit Lita ',.life in an eiectigve.gove,reirep4t, and was t o be febildad . ext,Pa - Tiianient* ; Y:l.egislation - a n d ; th e ranch' otthe,pe o o l P* ,s,,,,,:s.l.',:th:a4'i:n:itte.citiiw44.i*frof:littoitn::i;.‘ol9,nat,i..olgumearonwit:Pcohpu4s,P:.:!'vee:ci:u!4ti:::::.,:4:7ll,o:h.r.nii9:.;.;ikiei''',4l,94l,gia::con:tep.p:.gpa..Bol.4...fiotr4i.6:::fnLtr!elynee,ehlfro.din,cl.l,.. iitil i siif.to t e m ownro w linih Odi nanitd i nt li tisode c t: e n 4 o l :ll: l ;: sf. P .,:,7.4.. ee rvp H : Q Ttele,e t bere • e einsinn: '. : lo2outL tha www: . l en l 4 o : st : -, :.00P 61at t i 41Y, 1 _ 14 ,_.ARg r l i lv , :t 1 .12a - te .: 7 . be' .40440 1 0 „fre,...± /nl in ' ' f `aneltliatof any, ptbe,*,,,deParttaent of the ,fJf -or they ' lOoked '. toi the de p artment- —•- Staten -or -- -. , . .- ~ ~ -., -• .OV. fieseee. there was priiicipleS ~ f ellowod.,up,- . .aud: On. - !which : was a gat-teralib96ounip4n;re?,:no;eosf,s-ertor4ablicanitetar, ,I•llloeuo...tii: ~.iteleosi.lr9erdeitgb4at polies, ,f flat--.,, ..con_litry, which , had -, bee" Plopted,fer a series or years.. B at w hat., was required 4j: 4 e ° l; 1 3ab* country ib i r i fli e r i l el ei i i Is and s- u : e. t i abb planted, el t d .ni b n y th al e i n y 'on3t q i 4 e u cin o ci s s t q lo t o i n er s e t a n d r le ° o i f i n lie° O ., a ni f - e,s 9 l° ,l l .ll ° a •D ls cf : u (t e hb o i i h e l l : once of race.Hl47., in founcitne•- suc h 1 '14,1 ,:they had ' f unda - Mehtal P.P iy,W iw ron s g-- , ( l lear, , '..piiPp?.''or'f.lePas6Crse)yo:—eid,atriiaor:ti.4s,g:ii;n74-9et;h;:hat;il,,:":iwi:livilllor.cesw:n.-13,:vg.0::,nr,.: pahrijaa:p:tT,J3:: right. -been, Wee constitutio n s , theFe h 3 u righiprinoioles but cnoditzathms. beganjeCon of principle w as that i'file.)i .- - Ge ar, hear .). - , .. ~ . , . W ' a - adapted by.our , ancestors, they founded a colony did. Pet ' 091-u° with 4119 ' 0 ' . . 1 '0 3 'e C';°• 11 31 . e "—un--use . arid, ask ;‘or• MAP, '. Thousands 9r , ,pciiin4s ,a year, E rn :, Ettovernpri-ind , a•chief justice, and s,.,,colOnial.seeretary, and alllPritas, 011 i,„ffi e es,,-:;c-lear,', hhar.) , !Pi, ~ p -.-Fy collected a body- of,frejo ,ci li ur n o * w h n c) ; s' i' la e d t , 9 ,W 1 - 1r T . P a ; , , IY , fl, ._ 109 .3 3 i_ fou nd rig, ; oat L re lee t'a dOnl e k . ". 11 14, 1 9t11 .9 d 1i5 Pr -j' c '. paff.e, our ~,,i..e.0, ov'ianguagt otii . ,instit t itio . pe,.4b4,Por : religi,9. , :la a ,,-, 4s t int - 44:i isphe're.(1-lear; lx.eAr.) It „ai . not oorn tPOr 4coo..inititutiona 'that they Icaued for siliiPt.; . P ui .•,; o.l.l#equence one that , .they a ,. lrtiOed with „ !%F tt iPlC ll ,V,..' oo ;4oioeti n2 the . .pireaux;t4PPe! irit the liii44, tttil.t:e 3 , iP 4 AnT,m,i.rai eu r, t i,' , An 4.o, e c opse; ,4tionco.,,t? * l3 ‘, ; s , a ,.. be PP,4 l ."thi6 . 6, o h ut i y tiver ,h og rd of aPY 94 . ar gv . '''• e ''"A'' . ;• Ku) ? ( r . ' f9 j4jPir suppOrt v but on. the rtitruY..Po,,:l Y :f r " . ?F‘c s AYli9:,aNsi,at a u cou , t o . in ,h,Pr pr e r . g4 war'S;*sifffl/4.44, qgOuiontiaticlaiiiriPP.,c(lll47 'auditW Sent . V 4. ilo P-4,;rl til i . t40dttiji4,14)22u , 40 O presyrv9, th e pe ace, . s tle4lFas their potipVltiPA'Of qpROfY. 0 ni4•t •C l 4 11911 ' .41 " ; ‘ItYluti conip'anini te h&c') shetlh pi vh e o C oar i intir'tpi intruded e . :i i. t a n t r o s r.ue e o. P eatilif cl'a f e. ) d t l4 6,hi t o h , . il ne e t t t :::: ' e b ll a . a t f., : r e ho t: :2 ; e r q: t h : :' : e : . 1 1 () d e 4 !, : hat Y tea ' a . . ' nf 4i sud i c ittin t i l t, T 2 . ,rsii: t eor ' vfm : ni : s iC coe, l l it ' hi anda la i : . ~. declared Oat lheY'''''orecaPabhl,entaofodietcheen.d:::::tiiiheamva s'eliel.t 6 P li tt es r P 4 Co rt l a o ing n d ial f ib r s:y: : :s u t g e t ra h liat u o . ' n P pl: e i ur o ciP:ilpi.allyeZoef, c e h o n a(i ni c : r p tu ' ftiratuticaeenxtpefe into., bie9: w itrh h ee6 i y l d e oc b 7u y ;id, w 4 i:h oh h i4.da cc: 4 i; et g p,,i;,(.o4: . popul h. . comet, : ; 11 1.911.. th. emigrate. I.' h' hold. Werd not destrou3 o f emir. , t . . 4Pg 16 ;11 jl ruled 'b a . O6untiwY:si44i oespoiism._:ticeetie e.a.4prr9.o)etwi poly certainuso o r , i v 4 deprivation ii l o h y , 1 s h g ti o r a leave et it v hea e o a r sf mild, and irrational, (Hoar, Irf t hazards l.e h rin:g e ; re2:airihdh::4:: : 6o i :e : b" f B3i i 11 : nr . I tu i h .:66l : o .llliE4 1 : e str6l' 1: liberties.. gihs j :Pliill;in ii count . t t a; l i a;V: c : : 1 1 1 . : : t , 3 , ' a i o, t. s i gt e e t laki mo nstrous 'id; . t s ; li . . o r , f wl s ,c e- r t' 6.° carrying .'ee t c.. h e ti6a ' ordinary r , c p B o P* - - - l e i : - : 'arid4 ill accompanied p a l e r d h:o or_ , ' l,; 3 ti after t 1 i e: 11 :1 1 4t :P s . ' E ; W' t h : 4 1 ; ,ne t wenty i o t ci ° t Ib e dep rived . I:erpe. tango 1 l a g ti ; 4 l l y , : ti , r e e u, :n 4 0. g Y , . v .v 6. to f e l .. were i v .them . them; :: . ep ::: t. every, ttudhwtl 6 r 1. :h et :i i n e t( ter ii ni t t o, i . . ; b il y b r i 7 t :16:.elteal:it liberties ; : ie .. . a e a ll . el..i4ap. trod .;r' avoided_ o sf e t . i : ta 'ht u: 6 p h ,e ' lla , - tad:93h' them 'halt trainingtv. . r' 1 ,0 9 , ''' ly r. . ) : : Y. a~ which9l 3 , e t i h vi g s,l 4 , ' 6 ' , r e -1: . : n tja , . . r i b e na et `l .lrd . ,_ 40 . 4 .1 1 1 . ! is. Q wto . us nr° yh f . ziriedut. Choy .the e ydrern . : l er i '' , i e . a 3: s e tf as : ii ? a r' i c t e to e ierh ue rz krfdifietlif°,ic'es,o: hceteci. which.li in stitutions :iouf I 3 3 . iltri orgy r a h a t a, l a e i ° l i feelings 80 a t tau oi 1 . 'tailee.N.cocci, i intro. ot i ff)° ,:r n es t o a ra w .y9 d o : :., .. . Were, gra nted y., .e. uttraent=and, Biitish, 60ze65 ffcsrilit.clupthcwy, B,iiithtiogtiliacidnif:cithcieunilrvteyesgt:adind,e Mba l'' thini;° " h g 4 tloil fitting fr from that being. the e°ll4ti:' hieh th ey llg ' t ' he ?" B° ' rtis o36ll t, u a4 c ' ills r ' 3eid e had -followed What li w o °l2 a ld s not ashamed' to' o - , mid ]legit in ta''S struck invested, and who Pe4P I P "7: from th'eni for the. rceeptiou of free dBeoniiit',hiteiiirtesd'ef 'traillItl;:; U ''''SCa i r t irYh r E t t f P r e i e n i r , Let the w in as e institutions. 74e had beforo, specula inerwils, tbe b.:24ip.a°Pecihninanar'kojel t:h°Wll but .A Oa ra f e a rie ets u . n,t Wf ax i : autis f i r ly,(o,:benti e itf.i: d cacivan i efed i utape:Hit4Wsab::: said he ti t 3 t e st h 3 I t 3to i X did . r; a.oi is, Intl should was ec onomists,d re3stchto on and N'vhich:' he elesniliedgiilah s3litein on which the colonization 1 from th e top to the bottom th . , . tit which n , studied, and examined, an o o mp ' re ended is t the c o nvictions x oritl A t thin, when he' warned Parliament against the 00 0se . queuces of -.4,iabaihing an .. a dministrative power over t i MAY 22, 1 their colonies, and extracti ng from them a miser able pe cuniary benefitiltate,ed of whi c h th e Pefir...7 of ' ' Engl;nd . .ouohtete be ebeemeltiplicetion of her ract..4in order that etheyeleight propiesaw her -iestlttniioae i arid -wh .. 4 needed to . the , rapid pepolatinti of. the' el,l , or , ii . es a v;o eTt ul ' d react with benefit on thelnother co • Iberl eeisehed 'lie 'ditto% at at early p u s ri el e r e• r : f i e na l t e si e 3 2 ' ' ' . t :et , '..,eharter of- :Rhode Nan& Was-' granted: Bto • t now considered not safe t o all o w the scolonies t4cepais t was ;Act relettng -kV any toed purpose, tiefes s it use an p.er.ded ti I-; it .wat reinitted to 'Er glend;'eehere'it Breus; ennieedi peehaeteefor two*44e.rs hdbre it'wits tetilin e d ' 'is ' ..thst than yore asere•intersresed."•,hetsseen the iSol or i : and dicisions in , their local :metiers - and -the lint:4l(44 o e as. to-whether their Acteverete take efiVat•or not: That 'Wks thensiitentlinderL, which. they . lieedse;Wliets 'would. betheirfeelint!if they were to pass - Aetseinatibjecaa I which they lanktersteed, not imperial subjeate,' but seole..{ as an ..Aetrelatiogoo the Greet Weitarn Railway, and rheyetvitee tebeerbmitted'to the ether • iiid of the world autiieqptin , ati offiee,Untl considered or Rot, considered, as' ;the case might be--(Hear, , hear)--for two years see:. (Hear, home) f Yet that ' Was the sYstettie . that was jaticiptett tiiwardetairColonie.e..- The old idea Of t rienotoLies I wee thatitwasein The nature of a Mudicipnliteenin core' asoratiolie In . ..this country corporations 'Were - placed; under the control of the law of the 'land,' but they hadi time liberty of beat pre The bfe-laws of the. oorporation of Liverpool, or any othereereaet'osin, went ,not sentAceahe Herne Secretary to he consideredeforttvej yeersere(Hearef- hear.): .- - Now these munieheilities, - too they i'elided itt the adelent4inies; 'waresW*ll defined; 'they eweressubjecteto. the general reetrainfef this' lawst • Sof: England,. .htel in "every - other:respect they were/ ;almost •. absolutely and entirely ;. free.—(Near,' hear.li ~The. degenerate_ . and degrading prepuce o' re-s taming : ' the 7." subsOnee, • and still - :More, the 'prin.: eipleeof colonial patronage, was ' totally 'unknowns during : the, old -eolottialetyetepie; The old cote/slits pos-t _setae& the soile they: . adinialetered .their oWn-police;' they 'had to defend- their own 'frontiera;:they were the! bearers of theieowu chargete; thoi*leetbes - of -their' own• :at sere and the -linkers of there Own . 1aw5....-(Hears! I ,bear.) s Now they:' bad reversed in' the • last 70 yearal every_ene. of • these 'salutary. .peineiples.—(Hear.) We retainedetire , fee..simple of theaolostalland. The t01e...! „slight Averan iot fit mourssoperior judgment to 'manage .their. own uffairseand hence those magnificent 'sums ap-; .petsreelin that itiMates, because:we provided that they .were net to bear their own expense's; Insteed• of 'a110w...! ing them to consider the meesures•Which they thought to be best calouiatedto adopt in reference to' the abori ginal inhabitants,. we said, ", Oh, that is a matter for the Imperial Parliament.'.' And a Minister sitting in Down-. ,intilSt4opt,ansysttabstartniauk.how.thwiToetitt4tiiiir betifeeti the- ' aborigines and -the colonists are to beeiettled.-e(Heare, • 'heareencliatigliters • )'. The'idea Of allowing-them 'toeleot - ... their:o7re 'eoffieerit- That would he' extremely revolu s e tioearys; . It'it would not destroy the royal supremacy,: it woeld;edeittil seventse. be •tt diementherment 'of the< empire. : As teeillowing them to make their own: . lawss e the„ . notiou; .is so* , dreadful; •• is _opposed to effl e ideis of : right and (_ truth, : I. thet:' , •no• -person Could: for a; .,„ .. esemen s e .,,gravely ..lhink eecif , epeopOsing... aae k a o l ieg..-(lear,:hear.); • :'They had ' thue -reversed • . the,fitil great principles of the ancient ~syStesii 'of ' • ,colo-• nizstion, and :they 'had reversed there' , beaiiiise'they . e teekedbnpontheir colonies as etakes.-e<Heireheitr.) If • .., o se y. looked upon them u municipedities. 'founded in this; ebedow and circle of their own *imperial power; if they: Only- impoiel , on • • theni necessary restraints and left theta:free in.every other respect, then they would not. enly have saved:countless millions to the Exchequer of. this country, bal.ther would have 'produced a system . whiels would have been. more worthy of themselves, bee , . cane no one could read the history of the 'Meat Amerie• oan;rerelotion• without seeing :that 'your colonies them , ~ reared inen, oteuch a mental stature and:power us en.-: , tirely trenecended those, whom;the celouieseef the pro- , 'sent elaYeproducachee(lleare :heist) Ho . would r 6 .-4 te': 0. - pligoo - .o.,Portititir': of Vie - Charter to anode Island,. . l'fige4,woultLabortithat seliat.he : had 'hated was .not est- . aggSrAieds 40 thespliiiu and simple troth; The Charter , created - the colonistrf of that islandinto a body corporate.: and politic ;,, it' gave them. a ' body of . a'ssistant's - and free pien,:irwantielpation -of the and abitauts becom4: -,ingsionneeemssits gave :them'- the po's'er , of electing -gao.it' own effieere: anderepresentativete • , The 'system whit/it eurSesiseeseorestisns: foilided two •entarlee•_'-ego .. , had .beat' the .eetrain. :of rite - ' American revottitione - and . at sthesilptesent ' moments - live every "nate :of that Weoklaffiii , hteintry, :it...Wits . , the. farm . and medel 01 ,gevereinetieefram • One end or: it to the other. For a colonY4o..fkate3ta own tkeeernanent now, that Weald ho: slitecieing indeed. But• this,pos ler was conceded to Rhode. ; I . Stilethsl in 1602 e-when hue:nal d - not 'Say the-warmth,- but. . tile ,fetver ofereyaltyewai.at its:: height in this country.--" 'faii•rseh‘caPs) ,:Yet it wasitt thatperiod that they were desired to elpat,rtheir , own Government: sThOY- were .p.49liiapxisup,their,own lavrise 'subject f"to.-13is Seoher re= e streent e esecept , tbat, 43 fat as ciirCUMfitlitlCOS would atittilt, obeyiesere i not to. be :coetrarys to the - Ilswe of England. Theyoouid appoint their own offiCers, ,constitute their own courts.of .eusticee embody; their. owii fore es for their own defentie 'and 'appoint ,their =own commanders over those force& They, wereethe owners .ofetheir own soil,. and tiro bearexe of: their.olVelfittlrges.--(ilear, hear.) He , i . might be s esked,wliot secority .there was for the good he ha/dem:of the colonists in this c asess-(Hear.) It was, be coLildhot say the most perfect, bat it was as perfect as any , Which had been recently inveneed, for in case of the co ' lonists invading any prince or T , ower in alliance with the - Crowiaef England, they were to make satisfaction to the Croivn, "or put out of our allftgiance and protection."— (liear.) Two hundred years produced great changes in the circumstances of mankind, and though he did not say that in every particular :this system ought to be imitated, yet when he regarded the Acts which had been ~pasted: of late years-for the colonies, the millioni which dad been- spent and the discotatt,nt which had arisen, and "reflected that-200 years ago essystem hid .been conceived lid whiehethe spirit 'and cher airteristice Of the "mother' icounerY was maintained, they could not draw theecon ;trait wither/it bringing a thish on, their facee.—(flear.) tge.wouldstioiv prooeed ter disci/se the - Bill, which he :would do , iii a ipirit• of fairne :se. Ile looked upon the -.Billeae upon the whole. eredititble to her Majesty'a.Go ;vernmeritsee(flesr;;healli"hot because• it went back to sthe.insoient systems._ of e bodie Island, .. but - because it lindinated &real intention, toesfpprexitnate to that system, and because he thought itecenceded - a . •laiger measure of sfreedom than , WaS given'to 'Ony.of their colonies,if lie se seceptedone. Ihis.vittsthe•eliitinctiee merit of . the Bill. s e . e (Seare heart) 11d - was/elle& tp say could not agree withrbistlion..--Frlenit'the'Meitebei fer,SciiithWarke with ~hen s .heSgenerstly cent - Area on thei e •qiestione, when , '.tits said that thesßiltredeighised too netich - the principle' of Iciest Setthintients, atiefethet -he was dispOted to' leave itein 'the hinds of The Central' legislature to deterinine the amount of authority to be given to. the tonal legisla tures.; si Hi (lifr. Gladatone • regarded the recognition of local settlements (worm of 'the , greatest merits of. the -Billese(Hiiar, hear.) • One of the chaeacteristics of their recentiegialation was that it was, in an eminent degree, arbitrary.e--(Hearehear.) • We drew- the line for our- Selves, instead of following the line that nature and Tie _ , eassity drety , forthemie.-(llder, hear.) ; It was a' mistelte to oupposethirt• it k`efitplired 10;000 or 20;000 iersoni to constitute-apolitical society. T.hat was'egreat Mistake . +-a -vulgar ' erior-suod tide better.-(Heat, hear.) A political-society waeformed by acknetien tippreiimetion, common pursuits;ntinnon relations in -'a great degree, common ideas in . a great degree, Common industry, and common trade. .eThesicoristituSed a social union, if he might so' enealte-(Hear, hear.) -.The Right Hon. Gen ..thin/an depanted_frocasmodern traditiott by granting a lerge 'share Of power-to localities.—(Hear; hear.) Their - forefilthersoia.' like manner, granted . • large powers to ~ Eniell bodies Of men' because these bodies so constituted clonteine&!ti .great power , :of sexpanSione . as . •the•aboen contained.: the .: .geria -of :- the s • otik:-e(C heers.) - And .*hareesthey '.. considered - boa. - welt' "that' - 'system Worked in NortheAnierietts and': that the' Anietieen tir e som e was; dependent , on the . local principle, as-distinct from the central principle; this 'recognition of ssnall communities Which , wore to have a substantive eX istence of:: their own, s whilst they were to be - uniteller Cettela .purposetewas or) of the fundamental merits of the Billi end she. point in which it posiessed a real da .... ~.. .wattlge °vet previous measures in colonial legiSlatione (-Hoare hear.). - With regard 'enactment:to the of lesie s, ' thesßight Hon. Gentleman- had introduced 'the end. Of the , : Wedgei blithe roust Confese it was the-very thrn.end of its(' ' ilia-Right -.Horn jeentleman, for' the firetetime, did not require measures passed in the colony to beeeint heteeeSA.le that WaiSnEeessery waive - submits theile to the GovenotefieleveYstudatil. 'Ancrit . svonld depend/4On Woe whether therColonishGovertiment in Dewning";, Arai was to :know anything.of them, ...--(Hear, hear.) Another Merit of the Bill was.that the Bight Hon. Gendemanhad the courage to throw overboard another-modern aupe., stitione-that was. to sayethesupposednecessity, of Meld- , teining the influence of' the Crown by infusing a lirge number of nominated members into the Legislative Conticil.o-(Hear; bear.) He 'rejoiced that the Bight Hon. Gentleman delivered them: froni the necessity of keeping . up Crown influeiine, •which could . be for no other purpoiathatehocould tee except re ceeate.diseone tent and edistatisfitetion.—(C beets.) The Right Hop. • Geutleman.againtooksa stop in advance in handing ov n e ... r . or) the colonists, subjeet to certain restrictions, the, co. , trot over the land:--(Hear.) Another Matter of t importance;without whichhe would not .he prep e a consent to .the detail& of , theemeasure, was :the lsr a fe:nes e 's of power of alteration allowed byehe Bille-(Hear,) Tit, Right tkon, Gentlematedid. not pretend by this f touch • political enactment from the pro ano e , . Bill to except any of the colonial logielature.-s- , (Hear.)' . : He gbavano,.thedncetlho; nial , legislature Wit power to lay • their , as only iiiiiesiog worleof the ' lmperial Parliament; and 1 altee the laws' paused by itinuny manner they pleased, the condition thetthe alterations' sttotidhl..2_6Ltera*li hear.)l hones before' they`: wore dually effscne t.. ( e his iir i , l , , B I and These weree the great- merits erns the Bill, and Those were' the great- meritS erits be for one, o n the . ground ,• of these i i i!: t ri si t ninet . sax his ieto. moved by,his admiration was dis latry.,of the old colonialte l ;;re m sa ig Mier views, and to posed -to sink much et his,so.- urity, nnAst P r of the '13i11.-e(llear, lenderhelOing hand to t he 'r - t i n e 7r e tsiss of the measure, hear.) , Now, with regard to , the Member for' he concurred with. his Hon.. t Friend Y hear.) ' arise from the Southwark that great difficulty ) It would create, concurrent jtirisdiction.---(llear, lede in his opinion,. a n e enece,e_se e e y re ee an objectionable per was- to be the central pleaity.e-(Hoar, hoar.) Thlegislature, and the municipal legislature, the district' by parliament. itl would sug legislature, to be topped gest to the Right Hon. Gentleman that these municipal' legislatures should he swallowed up in the district !ogle hean) . This would -give greater - lature.--(Retir , the dis t rictl ' • aim e egta,aturo would only to the measure. . on ly e s eato manage the affairs of from 1,200 or 1,500 or 4,00 • thought it unnscessary 0 He s eperate . legislatures for this pur- People to 3000 that there shoidd be j a g uspostable that the three legislatures c.euld confusion. Ho confessed that pose, It iv. work together without . this .. concurrent . jurisdiction Was in his mind . a „ej ec t of apprehension, and alarm, for it meant in the ieng,rencoeflicting jurisdiction. Ile would put his ob jection in the form of this dilemma —if the district legis lature were fit to deal with subject 6; why not let them EVENINGrj 1852 dee! with them; if they were unfit to deal with thew, wee , eorattait te • therr: the power to do se? U n ity, o f pewer wee essential, and a clear. ai:ritntion teed an fir.- curia air - ellen •of -goner trees eteo estentli t he In the . United States, which, as i' . l.lr aecoloeiel instiftifeita there coheeiehed;r4his . 4 -Made!. of . political v - ‘l4tek e Th o ehT. 5,• 7 1 c 11 rahirta tie 'eehtherrerit ' jatithilehon - tens • Itrieveiateelleer.) • Ho.', ti stionld like taktoetee , mould a m , diii , e i ttitAtfil, concurrent jarisclietien? . 'Thf, origin of - plear he ttfie country Jae in Pertianieet. It hies trae t'eey . delegeetei their pewer eii•ether hoi•2l(e.,•eet" re peal , er coali overide ;Pitirlianteitt.•et liteeivie'itof'h - ho• taee With' thereedistriet legislatures: . they were' -net ,ta'exercise f certain powe•is, seed to delogate those eleiverh, att.l occasion receileed, to others; on the contrary, iliey were to ciercise all powers;: whatscaeserestibjeet to eteme ekeeptioes. , He 'hot eht thOf Wig was aaerious'ohjettion tit the Bill, and if lie die not Join - with his Hon. Ftiroid Is" deprecating the pregress bf .the Bill, it was Weimer, of the large power of alteration given by the'Bill.—(Hear, bean)* His belief *as that the intelligent body of the colonists would thrmsehree find the; remedy of'/heir hasty and crude legislation, and . , would:l:mingabout that p r i nc ipl e of unity which he re= igardedeo mich.—(Hear, hear.) Another giant 01-je tiote•tetheßill ware thilteit required the cblenists to wait •foretwo yeare before they •could know whether the-laws FLehre..._72w,. ho would . passed by them received the sanction of the Imperial Lc ‘utt an' That if the Right/Lee; Gentleman inserted the efficiency of the raealsbusr'el,twwhitilistd ;Parmohllas or six months, suggest to the Right Hon. p Oita of matter gained is itnot Eit i e d l l boa a e from • (Gear, hear.) Though he did practical ° c e onvevien g ee.— ' attngether,-te must say that thnec;te wish to lose the Bill- were t one . • . or tw . o ' amendments which appeared to him nual if it were passed. The Right flonourabriCeieessel thbughtliV—folloWing, in thisi instance, the n t t r e ti t c7l -311 had ItiedePartment—in: his paternal -- are for thlsse lti se e t i t l l °f nieettof New Zealtind, composed 'of - Eiklishnien as in- - etilligenets ourselves ; except in so . far as , therhad lost' their intelligence by having' been for a certain, number hif -- yearr under art attary govainment-2-the Right llon.' Gentlenaan . had Weight fit to propose 'that they`should each be governed h y a superintendent, who was .net to be elective—though we trust persons under our own noies'to - debt mayors'" 'to have authority over 50,000 'people--but to be momihated • by the Governor 'Of New : Zealand; auditor I ear the Superintendent should be brib= . jetted to the peril of :starvation, he provided that eaoh shperinttiticient shduld here a salary of 5001. a year.' Now he , (Mr. Gladstone) thought it would be a great improvement togetTid both - of- the office of superinten dent.and the salary attached to it.—(Bear, hear.) He wished the Right:Mom .04mile:fle e tooonsider from what source-the politicia , hoillee derived its advantage s . Th e y were theme than eaisseniblr ief 'O5O -gentlemen who gave laboriotiseervloes•to .their eountry There were' other offices-in this country connected with the Exeoutive ' depattuterntowhich . Were' 'also laboiibus. The first clogs - of 'nffioers were 'Unpaid, the 'second salaried: but awho • could say that - the executive offices were coveted more than. a seat in that House? And why was a seat in . that House coveted? Because it -was a mark of notifideme' on the' pelt of et - portion oftheirtellow-subitsots." -That confidence ' did 'the work' ofemeney, and it did it -far better- than money-e-(Hear, hear)—and if the Right- Hon. Gentleman would allow the colonitits to choose -out 'froth amongst - *themselves those whom they knew 'lobe . their best men,' and to be;. stow on: their fellow - • citizens marks of their respect and confidence, he would find that, without his undertaking to provide 500/, a year, there - offices would not only be objects of honourable eampetitioti to the'colonists, but would draw from -England • men of a diffeeent and a higher-class than could ever be drawn • till there was stamped on the whole eof the colonial institutions the ,Sholo breed and deep character of freedoin which Marked the institutions of the 'tether eountry.—(Cheers )`There was one other point to which he could not help alluding; and that was the quostion of a - nominative or elective eilencil. In constituting hie local legislature, the theht lion. Gentleman hael : certainly thrower 'titidi - tion over t:result but in constituting. this 'central 'legislature hen. had •f provided ~ e that , the' legiilative• - cbueeil should be norainetive. In - this. importapt ,sat , - ticular . his plan geeatiyhdeeleataerAted `item 1 11ilt of his .predenessor. If • he understood height theyelieY ciflend •Greyewleat Itiai-desired-wett . hit 'the Legialati vi a Council Of New Zetshand eheelciate competed Of e:••• , sons cleated by the, abeilholegieletuteei,e elV•Wite quite • eeidentehat •the.Noblteeleartderieed; that- icleis 'Troia the' limited states.of At - veil:4; ent4; as th' i ti-fore';itrd; in'. :going ace the Ileited.Steeee it • for hints for the • improve mente of our • crilLiti system, the'Nehle Earl •reeorted. ace the best fountaicee - Ile there were one thing in the• constitution of the ,II hived Beetes•Which, more atm-hall' others, entitled the atithoi's of-that astonishing iicrit to' the -gratitude of their Countrymen and to lame as wide and laiting as the :world,' it was the eystene which they 'adapted -tor the election of their senate, iniro :clueing- the, , principle--of election, not by- the 'number `of. their ;population e • but by the separate statee,. and thus providing a principle to counteract the pure, principle of popular elecilen' in the chamberS. Be could- not help paying a- trihute of praise to the Noble: Earl -for ohooh:•:ng -that plan of constructing his - legislative council. Now, the Right/lon. Gentleman had in that particular failure beek" on the ordinary practice; he proposed a nomini 'five legislative , ccuncil.' He (Mr. , Gladstone) thought tl to Legislature Council ought to be 1 elective. He would i llustrate his view by referring to i what wastaking place in North. America. If they traced the annalt of Canada they would find that during the last few years there liad been several energetic move ments, the object of vrhich was to supplant and get rid of the system of nomie Anon. How had those movements been made and defeat td? Those movements had been made by what was called the Conservative or Tory party in Ca:lade; they bad been defeated by the Liberal party. They had been defea led for a reason similar to ,that, by means of which a Cha nce llor of' the Exchequer onet a proPosal to repeal a tax, namely, by sheltie& that it was not convenient to do Whatwas asked et that: moment. ' They hid bean def e at e d bedatise the Liberal party, being 'in possession of Poweraueted , On the well understood principle "Let well alone." • • They had to clod .with an intractable Legislative), Council, composed of nominees. They swamped theme"' K' majority- ... was converted into a'' minority, and the 'council "was brought into - harmony with the assembly. Tbo same thing took 'place in Nova Scotia. There was exactly the grime 'division of °Didion.' The COnservative party were for an elective council, and the Llbersil party succeeded in defeating them, thirugh ohlybya majority of one..- Let them take a 'homely mew of • this question. It was not difficult to bring the :Goinse,o c r Peers up-to London, but it was exceedingly dietetili to'britt the members of a legislative council - to Toronto, much more difficult to ' bring them to lialifsor; aed sadre . difficult e etillao bring them teVellington, or Whatever place might b e the capital of New 2ealande 'lt must be reeollected that -in these coldniii they had not men 'of large means, men of leisune, and mea who were almost born to political pux suite,' and perfectly willing to bear their e wn expenses.: TO thecoloines it was found that in Order to make men ele the Work,- it was beceSsary topay them, to enable them to bear the . exper Ses of their journeys, absence tram their ordinary pursuitee• and the loss of Lilo prefits which . thee() ptirsuits would bring them. Now the colonists wceld stied that peyraerit whee it was given to their re peeseritatives; but theereveothl not stand it when it was• given to nominees.—( Gear.) ,The Right Hon. Gentle men must know that the. Government of Canada was sonetinaaalmost brought to a dead loeke-that there; wee: often a great difficulty in getting a quorum of the Legis-* • lathe Coneeil to pass the requisite measurer. ‘Vhetever might be.the honour of the homintaion, the meinhers of the Gounhil could not live upon it; they ceulcinet aCerd to absent themselves from home without beiag - :psid;'ena the colottieteweuld in - no' este consent te pay there so hong as they held their.seats - by notninatice. The zeal truth was, that, ono of those velgar superstitieee v''h.it'.l ' • • • -r, f ear until they was necesSiey to ptetest •agaidst ear` a . .e ar e saint they bad bet% altogethirs4pleded; was time A tao, that it was right to haitea . loodoisf men, p nz li th li e P free action of Country for the purpoae Orrepresstp,„ ._ Gear, . hear.) popular 'sympathies nn ,!.he:c9iopresoniitry had, with Certainly if is' were halo, Oeh i this les, it:lien:SU distinCt teseeets' teethe effeirs - ilf halo, 'co on . would b - t: " it wou e ac tog on frcm , those' nf . the .inhal.fithetg . , . , evil at ow lie Ord or Round principles, it W( . _dild be right sofnejealousY and . diffienity, !T1 providing for : the,. .. LL air to a ninee titbits' inierieSte; But it was , not se. It had' der-iiittiest - lipart from theirs"; that Which 'contributed to tbeiteatreetnese; theih:etrengthe - and their exp ans i on, seedsihiefetereat at e ill of this cot . 11 13 t there•ehonld be an , hilia . eri6a f io rd re eiaae.a' hot merely one of tho:o idle errors whictereightlie by as in a' lutnber room and do little harm,• it wax an error pregnant with naichiefe of every kind, and which tended to keep up that system of intervention in the celoniee which was dO prolifie of expense, trouble, and 'ioEitiee , and retarded the Pro gress of colonial enterprise. For these and sinillar rca sonsit would be most, gratifying to him if the Govern- : meet would inconsiderthe question of a elective and introdace into their Bill a proposal similar "ueell to thal. of the Noble Earl (Earl Grey). Another point to Which he must refer.b.ad refetenee to the Ne er Z (Impale The Hon., Member for LeominsterlvZealand spoken' f' its 'nonouratste intentions, and its had. cerenpi int:dives- Ho had not the slightest r.e ' edclin froin test that statement;- ho had not theslightest wish to eon of the patriotic objects of the . doubt directors, of that cOrSeanY. At 'the s'Llne time he must , confess that. he looked upon companies formed for colonial pure mercantile business of brie • of the purely ul the . an old country into the 'soil g a g capital of incurable jealousy. As b eg ecv , taz a th neYr one, with Smith; e days of Adam companies in that position w greatest obstacles to - colonial adv were branded as the They had ono remarkable instance, ancenleat.—(Hear.) , that of the Hadsonle Bay Company, which spread a death shade over an enor mous region. If they were to have ment at all in a co l ony let it be the any home govrn Quee overnmt n's G ern --let it be a governtnent which with which they could discuse 1 eat in that hou and day, every colonial question. and in tho se, ligt sif i were shrouded in obscurity, into ei companies' which necessarily crept, and which' ia which u narrow spir i t necessarily more and Wre narrow, he must confess he looked upon with the greatest_.e. jealousy. He knew there New scheines and were exceptions t(); t h e ru t L. New Zealand Company doctrines had been broachetb o Y h r, mean to draw a coin .azl . he did net for a . alZ d parisen between that coropenY '''', the Hudson's Bay Co p e between ipg o f 66 Hear, tear, ') What he acid was, tham•- Company.—(Cries - c h f to rritOriaL. power' Involved in the that there ere wet too r Ze°A-iid Com 134ny, that the waste of scheme of thed abeenNew frightful; and he' was afraid that b Inc " h e a nd tbe-eba r e" both to the directors _. e . e. i The holders the concern had proved most unprebiese ... . qtestion who was in the -'l3 and. w h o wa s in the wrong rie..hap-,: hira to enter upon, was one a grnt deal too intricate for t of 236 eed. but the result -- was that asterthe PsYraea - ' there still r • remained unpaid 20,000 , fthe Near 7"a ought not to ' position c ei niter the pecuniary _ .. ;hat tine -,- eta lend Co mpany, and 't, - 'paw& to icame .e riallel eltered their t apPo-sitron 'by this 'Bill. Ily a the Act of 1847, it vras provided teat after i _th .. e windi n g- up of that company, 644 t h e re tiht;:_l_il b " 1 g l l 1 °PM the land and paid . to the New Zea l and t; . l, i ' , , a, , .' ..aa t 4, 4 4 1 174 • i i , -A t h a. - 4 1. 2 •• - 4 - 2ti -^ •••• f ''' ,- . . 1 / 4 . *; . A.• i ''. i , ... s k i .... . , _ "1 , ' WTY;C , ' ' t. • •i".. .' ' ' l'' '_'_ - ' '... ' , " ' . 14 " .41 . -1# Crmriany thr cum of 26823,. . i f, re4porz4r_d thiso3fo;s./ 5 byre. bat Ihri r t 4 l4•AV`r t eo3 fite:t 9 iEnri'4 l tr 7 litW'S r ' 4 1 Z44:-;d!!! .e- rid%'itcs, - eaMi r Stetidieti - i•rilitiiii e ie s e e iS ibFeft4A'ierF;. 4 -`4 3 ,.4e -. 2 .. .• rte .:4'1,0v tiid to ths steveiiene,hio dsileite propeoo.e of pe e lend sales-in:Veer Zeit:.tee is , thriee Er - .. pretriatehlete that - preese oi . '.: l i . *lief,... ,-- 'es -, neat t • the Caren has ene or thien tilii . i .len t '''t"..s, , to fix ond alter: thqt -PI Oi-' 97 :t l9 a - Ai Thkt , v.:ions piteeitrieie• to the extingtiistmei - iP Bt* •ttitt ": e: t to , i.. t h the comnaey." So that .flist teey ware tie dc CCt the cherges ~ stieveyi; Secondly, so mach of thrS • ipte. - :e'ieds of , • 'the land sale s to be devote.l re conigratten as• the CroWn - slsonici think fit;' and, thirdly. thiy eeihe to sty- ever the residue, to the extent of 26a,000/., te . th.s ! New Zealand Company. • Hot this . Bill reeds a his hcharge lo o the com pany of - Offi. ah'ecre, so that they were entirely altering the position of the eompeny. Now, thieWtess matter of tte extremest delicacy. - They were ping eery near the old ground of coloeial dispute aid revoletion. This question of. the proceeds'ibi colonial latidettlesa was after • ail only anothee form of • tha questittn-C)F 'hOlhetet taxa tion. TbeseJands derived their value teem th - eit gra iluelly apprhximating Other landsehat were cultivated. This commtmity in the colony, spreading from 'point to point, gave value to the land: He did not ttteti ask them to make the position of the New Ze4land Company Worse, but ho, said they had no right to make it better than it now is. - They were touching upets a epiestion Of the greatest delicacy between Great 'Britain - and 'New Zealand, and- if they varied the position of the New Zealand Company, he for one could not be a e - oneenting party , to:the passing of this Bill during the present ses sion of Parliament. :h . a S iol i hi r i: ir : .' eseii P t lrlCTNGTO l N said, when the Right Hot. Getitleman argued that the manner in which the settle ments in America were formed,' ought to be the model -6cOillnniiseasti°wilehe went mdisposed to agree with him. The Right Ron. Gentle -01;s 1:1;44 further than lie r vs v 0 r y insignificant c.h they of portion ro v n e r formed, yofpeteti;:inadr empireabove _ eir e t the t it ahl ti,e n h e o e l s ourt in founded, of the peculiar colonies then formed, In a question of must bear in mind the be lulu!; the Right Hon. in all parts of the world, enormous extent of their colonies to which their commerce in their relations with f ' and the effect which that had ojeeign countries. Neither did menner in•which those colon a ie this kind, they ix o c t i lercian regarded the extent outpouring of their convict po 8 1 a5l beeni extended, nor the ce pti or atton. He only adverted to these topics in conseqUen been formed by the Gentlemen hahing ' dieelt linen them Right Honourable essay on the general principle of bolaoP:'rch was .rather an but the Right Hon. Gentlettan's na at Guava length; immediate question of the ' Bill nowl u i e t i . th y l n s Ll'erthaa tioh. The objections which had been themselves into two, classes—one, that, at intl:id dirided the session they otrghtied te'Proneed titan : wistritil of measure; •azd another class of ' objeCtioria was Bch the provisions of the measure. With regard to • the .first objection, he considered that, the /measure was such a one as - ought to he imenediatelie • proceeded with,' and b e should endeavour to carry it this session. There was one point 'Which heal not been noticed except by. ' q u i Ri g h t Hon. Gentleman (Mr.Gladstone)—that he - had intro duced into the' Bill le - rge peessee for the neve logieletnre, when coustitutee7, to altar tie - o mocild their iesilteitions in 'suc . h a maul : - L..: ' ~. ir oic 2 eh:cerise:tee nii . rthi - dietato. When r - Si r• - ' •.-..4.: - .:,. -1 : - s - .%11. Was 0b,1, - , , c!ionab:e, he tee::: :i - e selitte h; .. -_, Jet peiderffe iteat et titre,- e , 'es -„ . . oities o: eisa- Z eleed 14 iT.:l7:y re-. stse'etse 1. Oe : 1. -, rittieSted thati r . he eilculd peeepere ` Sa _so • • / it,piipe . „Wee wito ee gore 'so lq ss - sie. e e 7 • Tel§:fiao4-9.PfprtUtatiiit.9, 047,CPr , tai.: - -4- - . : - 48 Of *the ColbiNts . Pinin existed stith si re f e le Lee other .color e y. e . .4450,,,nre. , wai l ...New • ee , - - - 17:ax , ... •, ..., • . . . ...• , Z taYdo . 2 tc 1340 X, LEP .yet tiIbrAPPAP4W, W I A° ' ,:0 t. : a : ' Ata 8 SfeiS; *t l i O i ti - colte . tn'klFtli.fEn'iltPf 01 ° 'eCti E . . 36411' ''ll,tlticrthtthPii:i iliPlieggiSi es Bre in - n, , aq c s a i , I tip,a..hTsepriszV - ritdiectnt IEI - the tany - it on: Nways. 3 Ma emben.forSotrh lwirk ' aid,"1493 - 11 t" 1 ' ' - ' , 4 - the '' . . ,-+ i . i eh sen • trf r iarpocc., - ro lnt.er, est& ,and fhaings of W'xWell!pgtuti. c..llouists. - He , (Sir J. 'Pakinctotrysaid they'hed 'P -no dissent w,; the li G i r i e l ;•Ts m til d ri tl' in a eß g e e e l f eald ea viL li i b i:r i i; '?,i. it G L -i O ed oenn i. S , i 4 C oti a Ved v's * -Of thelhiLe - Thee lion. `Baronet ohjepeed to the division .. , , 'into provinces end proiltetel leg , islati4es, but in the seine breath he iield their dete.Would . bainull and void. ile • always listened with great reseeet to the opinions of the tHOnoPinioneit on colonial affairseand therefore it was - .with some surprise ho fulled him ISsiug sight of the ' tresph'caue To the. colciaistli, and using teems of, ridicule -i.toiesrds thero. the - eolOby of ;New Zealand was not !founded round a nucleus ,of convicts,: but the celenists were nt - ea most respectable class, men of p ro p erty and '-• ( ( Ideation, accustomed to tbe . freedom( ~ and the institutions of . this• - country.--(Hear, he a r.) You•hed. not only Europeans, but a . large native popu lation gradually taking their places side by eido with the .Europeans, add gradually becoming" equally fitted for self-government. As to the claim in reference, to the . Now Zealand Company, he had introduced it on the principle of justiel, and feeling that he would have encountered a well-grounded objection if he had, in giving the colony a constitution, placed that company in a worse position than they at present stood. Nor did he think he had given them undue advantages, leas inuchus he -had hid representations from gentlemen pea:otted with ,that company that belled not done suffi cient for theth. He believed, too, he was correct in say- ' ing-that the claims of the company did rrat - rbarettregy on the Act of 1847, but a subsequent arrengement, by which they•were to have one-fourth of the Taws of the land, and on the principle that the land was worth 11. its acre, he had introduced the clause giving them fir. an acre. The Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) complained of the period of two years ivhich the colonists had to wait before the Acts otthe . i local legislature came into operation, n consequence Pf the requirement of. the moult of the Grown to - be "giren—but power would be taken to send out in structions to the governor to transmit only for the as sent of the Government at home such measures as were to the third " grade" in the constitu ti on, as the Right of a general rather than a local character. With re gard Hon.,Gentlen3an„(blr. Gladstone) had termed these in stitutions, all he (Sir -J"..Pakington) had done was to reserve the . poaer that already existed; he made no new enactment as to the municipal institutions, but merely reserved to the governing powers that authority to cell Municipal institutions -into existence which had already -been conceded—and though these institutions would for for the present be subservient to the local legislature, Pi:Lund of o e T l a s y id - ar t a h bl it 1 iihtsi importance; ngo or might ee jccft progressed.l ii s 3 anticipatethe i‘c,tkb,ntg. 48. no day chtt:, dea w inf r h . e e alr n reer aildlits legislative et e r nib o v l oee o tn n : a y . 0 toI would ifinoahti be no leoger necessary. With . regeed to the -p e a ce , , eiective; .. ihat an irol h - r e ed w a :ts his RighaTon..Friend the Member for O x f,„ t d t r . . himpa b„.., e eity and also from the Hon. ,Buronet the nlvet ' Southwark. He believed there was no p t , 0 „.„,, , ""•- f ar - found in toe history of our Colnie s of - ~..-r..n4 t o b e, au etscei urger a l son tene. Iles Right Hon. Friend. said that 'l: 6 -." c i no otitiaVreeeeient from .the V t eit e 4 ,: .,. t ,, -9 would leitetetten) would rathitr•dries e hi s „,,,, e , - ,‘"' He (Sir J. Ariisin.—(flear, hear.) tic pi e f u , r. :r ull t from Greet the !seedier couptry- to that IA t i le ---''-' th e example of thou.sh:, tb r t , net . thee , i . .Untied States; and he "•ihtu •be the Een , ~ 1 „ day: here: but ~the colke - i i • e - , - , - ;.,T e t ; ""'"i n .114 , i it tie far as he- wile aware,' dettb.slC ---3-r- c ' x ' sle- ' the- upper chambir, 1 tee '•• ne e - .9 _ l:°- , 4 .i Ce 61:',1" . a6ter - Of bc c. % o S ln tit i llt: c ? iiz h;t o d p It had been attompi.ei, b e .. • C4lO Of .cur culoalee: tiler the.t l it L : e b li cli c ev i l m ihn a tT i t wn i‘ n ialtl .-lective upper .. cLamber ,Was l aware, to introduce an' accessary to (than colonists.'''Anctil t g 7as w.cll 1-10Pe, bur, th t „, ed , ) at the Cope of .• Good c„ated . in 'v:iie.h h w" . to -1)3 e it in deference to the wishes of the chambers )ao , h • v L iun so as hetated; it was meet diffieuleto make Oro-. give • the upiear chamber its full "trios 1n the :•etiET , l : v . known thstftiaey bad two of Lialit _ ~ c ceorittnQnt. Locking at." . f the*tli'? ller"4lhirtt. uild that •F„ . 111 4144 a reflectic,a o_ tactile.. . . ~?, had worked well, - . the neee,,,,eieg of the lower chamber; locking slue at the fact that -4 qua dent for nn elec there was lig prece • "4e tipper chamber , should be a practical 'cheek ti ! we uPPot i chamber, while the nominal upper chamber Le was not di s p o sed to moke any tßili'eac' earlildtitlitihouni6t change in that respect. It ass fig. eLe House to say the benefit of whether„ it would consider this Bill in a spirit of conecs or whether they should every minor detail, and so enter into a contention upon render the passing of this measure impassible during the present session,. and entail upon the Goverement the eds:trnetat;ctiv.e the colony tiecessity of intredueing a Suspension Act. air J. GRAHAM said he wail not disposed to offer would bo prepared to consider its details in Committee, in th t e he ß co il u L rse n o e f Il a: say opposition view to a to o the present session, a ny differences to which they might °twills:co a o i n e d . i ce:sl os h: g ib le e: give rise., b e should say that he en ti re ly a greed with his pat Right Hon. Fnen- a the Member f o r th e Univer sity of Oxford in wishing to preser ve th e arrang ement which a t prevent existed between the Crown and the New.Zesland Company. Ile thought that the clauses ini the Bill aeon that subject contained a departure from that arr angement very much in fa v our of the company. , He understood his Right Hon. F r i en d the Secretary for the Co l o nies to have stated that the Ministers of the Crownhad entered since the year 1847 into some written eugar eem ent which varied the arrangements with the • company as they had been settlpd by statute in that year;, and his Right Hon. Friend had spoken o f th at en &gement as a document which he had himself seen. New he thought it was. aLasolately necessary that that docanient should be produced before they came to eon ' eider in Committee the clauses in question; and he wished to know whether his Right lien. Friend would have any objection to lay it before the House? . Mr. MANGLES said he hoped the House wo u ld h ear hies for one moment on the snaject cf the attack tqlr.b had been vaade.on the New Zealand Comp a e y.. u,d the arraegemeut of the year 18 47 the Governni ent '? ' r sere , to , have- retained the land as a security for th of the sum of 268,0001; but, if th e e PaYinent. y ha n d ed . land to other parties, it was only fair th • ON 6y. the xhoutd here some other guarantee. for at the company their cleim. The document to wee the pay ment o f G. t . in il eutan. b a d te t. er ,,,d was sialni RI the Right Hon. points in dispute with res t a ry a definition et the land. . pec. to the distribution of the -• ono" K - i ~ y th%t p 1 in - ' -Cite Sir J. GRAHAM. takea wlif , ther hie Right Hon. Friena tne beery ary for the Colonies' would hare &illy objectioo to pza4tur.>3 the document? Sr J. - PAKIN STON repiicd that he was rof,:y to • produc x.e übserve that it manly cr'r Iletween Lard Grey end the New --oPskzy fur earryirg out the arrangement of AG lc:lode