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of espionage, and power was to- be ; entrusted even to somei)f these, who, it appeared, were actively employed in what was denomimated " twisting in;" and many of the provisions which respected theeizure of arms,•he seriously objected to. • lie Lad no objection, to a law for the, registering of guns, and making that process imperative : sudll a measure would best inform Government what arms were in the hands of individuals,; it would be attended with all the benefieial,. but With none of the objectionable earkequences of what was proposed by the ; measure of - which be was aware, in the present state of the Session, and complexion of the House, he could do little more than express bii disapprobation of the prin-, . dole. Lord Sznsaourn observed, that the: ,very ad vanced stage to which the Bill had arrived, and the attendance on the opposite benches, impressed his mind with the sentmient"; that those who ge nerally acted with his Noble Friend, did' not con cur with him in the opinions he advanced ,'against the measure then before their LordsbipS ;* or, if they felt at all like him, those benches Would have been crowded as on the reeent question of voting a considerable suns of money to a former Comp troller of the Post Office. Whatever inconve nience it may be of to individuals, there was a, paramount duty, that of attending the discussions of important public measures, and to state their objections, if any, they felt to those, in their places. It Was not without some degree of sur prise that he heard such objections then urged by his Noble Friend, who had regularly attended all the previous stages of the Bill. Heseemed to object to the evidence before the-Committee being of an ex-parte nature, and that no• parole evi dence was adduCed f —to that he was prepared to say, be Would have proposed the measure on the ground of the notoriety of the case, and the - re sponsibility of Ministers. Were their Lordships ignorant of the great and dating outrages coins. mitted in different parts of the kingdom, • Where the safety of the lives and properties of his Ma jesty's subjects, imperiously called upon the Legis lature for its protecting hand ? A Secret Committee only admitted of ex-parte evidence, and there was no proposition made to the ComMittee for parole evidence. He would ask their • - Lordships, did they or not think the measure justified by the Report on the table The Report did not, state ge nerally, but particularly and expressly, instances of 'the commission of - Violence and outrage : the facts alluded to were ,stated in that document. He agreed with his Noble Friend in the birth right of Britons, and of the inhabitants of every free country to . carry arms ; but was he not also aware there were these who would use arms to overturn and destroy even the free Constitution of their'country? There were those who enter tained such an object, who, if necessarily strong. measures were adopted against them, Would ex -claim, that the • practice of that Constitution was violated. With respect to the objections to the summary power to-be given to one magistrate, as excessive and unnecessary, he observed, that he had a register of . all the arms seized in a certain district, within a fortnight, accompanied by acts of violence and outrage, which, he was persuaded, if the powers proposed by the" Bill to be given to one Magistrate - were in existence at the time, would have been in a great degree prevented ; and he had that day received, from a most respectable quarter, an opinion and statements very different from those referred to by his Noble . Friend; where the seiiure of arms prevailed at that moment to a very formidable extent. Those outrages took place in Cheshire ; and, combined with what oc curred in other parts of the country, sheaved that they should not delay the measure a moment longer. In the quarter to which he alluded, a very respectable person had his house very lately attacked by a banditti, who demanded his arms and, in congequenee of his attempting to resist, had his aria broken and dislkated—two of his ribs were broken—and he was otherwise so dread ful!y used, that he was in a state in which his life was in danger. There were other instances --of individuals being grossly ill treated on the same account ; those who forcibly seized the arms in general, knew the individuals who had them ; but if such a Pleasure as the presefit had been then in activity, those outrages would not have taken place., Let their Lordships. examine the Bill up on the table, and compare it with the report of their Committee, and they would see they were called upon in duty to go, at least, as far as the Bill proposed. If they went. beyond ..the neces sity of_the case, it was an abuse of their power, but no such principle as that applied to the Bill in question. It was on the ground of its obvious, its imperious necessity, that the Bill vas origin ally brought , forward, and that he had con e . scientiously supported it in all its stages. Earl _TAN HOPE cdthplained ofthe inconsistency of the Bill with thdse laws which the Bill did not repeal.• He instanced the law which provided, that the hundreds should be responsible, to spew the impropriety of depriving them of arms which were necessary to _their defence, and contended that the best way to put . doitn the disturbances, woulq be to aric► instead of disarming the people. The best way to protect the Government, was to make the people happy.; and our Government'had neglected- that Maxim by oinittin , g. to do that Sooner towards America, which they were coin tosdo at last. In adverting to the subject of scarcity generally, he recommended the adop tionef granaries, as the .best. means - of providing against such a calamity at all times, and conclud ed with remarking, that if the war with America went on, the Bill before the }Muse would not do, and, if it did not go on, the Bill would be un necessary._ "The Earl:of D ; !tRICLEY aniamolverted on the con.; duct of Government, for not taking steps on the first appearanee of the dkturhances', • and gave it as his opinion, that if the Orders in Council had been repealed.before, they never would have taken next adverted into the 'inadequacy of the present Government, whom he stated to FLve been declared incompetent by the House of Coni- Ruins, and retognizedas competent again ; he was unwilling to give such powers, such an Achninistration. But though, for all those rea sons, he would,, if possible, refukse to •vote for the Bill, .yet as he believed.sOme measure, to be m emory, and particularly at the conclusion of the 8::SEn.011, and hoped, that the - alterations which L-0 NI) 0 N, TUESDAY, JULY 28, 1812. This morning an AnholtMail arrived. It does not Wing any news, from the Armies in Russia; but there is every reason to suppoie that Sweden is upon the point of taking .a very active part in • the war. We stated on. Saturday that we should resume . on; observations upon the pretended Diet. of Poland, but upon looking at the mock proceed ings which have taken place, they present such a mass of confusion, contradiction, and inconsistency, that we hardly know how. to treat the subject.— It appears, however, that BUONAPARTF, to an swer a temporary purpose, is disposed . to flatter the people.of Poland with the hopes' of -recover ing their independence, and. therefore he affects to give a - sanction to these proceedings, and en courage them to proceed in a plan which he is bound by a most.,solemn treaty to oppose. It is 'curious to observe the contradictory language held by BuONAFARTE on the subject of Poland. In 1809, when BuoicAPARTE was in Austria, he wrote the following letter to the Emperor-of Russia:— " MONSIEUR, MON FRERE, " The Duke of "VICENZA informs me, that your " Imperial Majesty wished for peace with Swe " den, and that you have obtained the ndVantagt3 • " . whicill you desired. Will your Majesty permit " .912 F to eongratulatt gOrl ott th(f cl:!?q ? " The negotiations of Altenburg have been , . " transferred to Vienna. Prince Jon - ..;, of Lich " tenstein, conducts them m'ith M. DE GUAM " I'ACNIT; and I expect I shall soon, be able to " inform your Majesty of peace being concluded with Austria: ~You will see by the Treaty, that " conformably to your,wishes, the greater part of " ,Gallicia "will not change masters; and that I " have managed yonr interests as you would have " done yoUrself, conciliating every thing with " what honour required of me., The prosperity " and welfare of the Duchy of Warsaw require " that it should. posSess the favourable regards '" of yortr Majesty and your Majesty's si‘Weets may rest assured, that, vz No CASE, NOR TY:4- " .DER ANY ,CIRCLIMSTANCES, have they to _expect " any protection. from mc. N 9 W these subjects, Nfh o were to rest assured, that " iri no case, nor in any circurustances,, tlrq were to ex'pect any protection" from BuotiAPAUTE, are, at least a very large portion of theM, invite-t' V) form an independent State under his vrotec tion. It may be said, 'that BUONAPARTE, h'eing now at war with Russia ; is not bound to attend the roniises he made to her when he was at peace With her in ISO 9. But the territories were left to the King of PRUSSIA by the Treaty of Tilsit were guaranteed to him by that Treaty, and a part' of these territories consists of one of these" scattered portions".of Poland which BufMkPARTE-110* seems disposed to unite together. It is also to be understood that. BUONAPARTE made the King of Saxony: Duke of Warsaw, the very spot where this mock Diet, is now held; his Ma jesty Seems to entertain some apprehensions upon the subject, and our Readers will see the mea sures which he has thonght proper to adopt, stated in an article, dated Dresden, in the Anholt Mail. But 'we are really at a loss to know how BUONAPARTE will explain his conduct to the Emperor of Germany, whose:possessiorA in Po land form at present no inconsiderable portion of his dominions. A Treaty, offensive and defen sive, has lately been concluded bet Teen the Em peror of AUSTRIA and BUO;'I,APARTE, by which they mutually guarantee each others dominions, and are bound to. assist each other with a - military force. In consequence of that Treaty, an Au strian army is marching to the assistance of Buo- NAPARTE, while BUONAPARTE, with his Diet at Warsaw, is forming a plan for the dismember- , ment of the Austrian dominions ! The intelligence brought by the last Lisbon Mail is most gratifying ;- the - French arc retreating in every direction. MARMONT has not attempted to defend the, passage of the Douro, and, accord ing to the last accounts, Lord WELLINGTON was at-Toro, In the Sonth,,SouLT is also' retreating, and .General HILL is advancing in pursuit of him. We shall be much surprised if We do not shortly heacof the siege of Cadiz being raised. Lord CATHCART leaves town kilis day to pro ceed on his Mission; Lord WALPOLE, the Secre tary of Legation, will follow' , his Lordship in a few days. We have reason to believe that every thing is satisfactorily adjusted between this coun try and Sweden and Russia, and that treaties will be inamedigtely signed. Yesterday, at half past two o ' clock , his Royal Mghness the,PaiNcE - REGENT held a Privy Conn- - eil at:Carlton House, which was attended by the LORD PRESIDENT Of the CouNCIL, the /LORD PRIVY SEAL, tlie"Futsr LORD of the TREASURY, the CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER, the MASTEJI - GENERAL of the ORDNANCE, the SECRETARIES Of STATE for the Home and War Departnients, the PRESIDENT Of the BOARD of CONTROUL, and the Lord CHAMBERLAIN. Viscount CHETWYND. at teficied,"-ts ClerlCof the Council the Earl of OR MOND WOS the Lord In-Waiting. His ..ROYAL HIGHNESS gave audiences to Earls HARROWBY and LIVERPOOL, ViSCOtla SIDMOUTH, : Mr. VAN SITTART, &C. &C. Yeste'rday, at half-past nine o'clock, the PRINCE REGENT left towf'i, acconlpanio i by, the Duke of CVNIIIERLAND, Colonel BLOOMFIELD, and Gene ral BOLTON, and proceeded to Hounslow - -heath, where he inspected his Regiment (the 10th)pre vious to their being reviewed. On Friday Mr. CANNING had an audience -of the PRINCE REGENT. _ . By lettel's from Lisbon, we find that the 38th regiment, in the highest order, had'arrived froni Ireland, and the 82d, 1100 strong,. brOught to the highest pitch, of discipline, by General c . A:strc- BELL , at Gibraltar. 'These two regiments,, •as .well as General ENGLAND'S fine regiments = the sth„ and drafts from different regiments, in all about 6000 men, are about to set out to join Lord, WnL LINGTON. Mrs. FRANCES JOHNSON, of Calcutta, whose death we yesterday noticed, having returned to India upon the decease of her husbaild,Mr.WATTS, 'about the year 1769, had resided there without interruption from that time, beloved and respect ed by all who knew her. Her funeral took place a few days after her decease, and from respect to her memory, was attended by the Governor- General in state, the Cliief Justice, the Members of the Council, and a very large concourse of private friends. -t) 4 D EDITICEN. SUN- 0 FFICE; HALIe-PAST TWO O'CLOCK' RETREAT OF BUONAPARTE. We are positively assured, by private letter from Riga, received in town this day, that jigence bad reached that place, stating the treat of the French Army, in consequence 0 WANT OF PROVISIONS. Letters were receiVe‘ from Koningsbcrg also, confirming - the - repore °l the desertion of four thousand Prussians to Rinsian Army. The Petersburgh Court Gazette of the 29th Ot gives an account of the progress of the French and of the retreat of the Russians, in'eonfortuit) to a , system established. It states that the Guard cossad;s had Breatly distinguished themselve in two or 'three affair; with the enemy. Embargo had been laid, we understand, at Got' tenburg, for ti.w purpose of obtaining a Of' ficient number of transports for the embarkatioll The same measure has been adopte of troops: in all thr ports of Sweden. NAVAL NEWS, PLYMOUTH, JUtY 26.—Sailed the Fortune . fri gate, with eight or ten sail under convoy,i'l Portsmouth; 7 PORTSMOUTH, JULY 27.—Arrived his MajestF .! ship Denneht from a cruize, and is put tnid cl quarantine in consequence of having boarded 1° homeward-bound Mediterranean ship. REAL, JULY 27. 7 —Sailed his Majesty's maaryad, Mutine, Marines, .Thracian, and Acted'i for the Baltic, and the Attack for off the French Coast. Arrived the Prince of Wales man of war fru 7rj off Flushing ; and the Indefatigable from the ii FIVE O'CLOCK.—The wind has suddenlyshifi eg to the Eastward, and the whole o the outsvca bound are under weigh, under convoy of his it'll jesty's ships Phipps and Co-u4tess.of Sailed the Bellona for off Flushing. CHATHAM, Jinx 27.—Came up from Loog Reach to refit his Majesty's ship Victorious, cg/ tain TALBOT. The Mdmedc and Szyccess are in dock, and fe-tiL4 for troop ships. FALMOUTH, JULY 25.—Arrived the Pr'veess - P'" 'zabeth packet, with a Mail from Lisbon, in II days ; and the Hind cutter from a cruise. B the Princess Elizabeth we have nothing of . greet ig i T portance. When the last accounts reached Lisb ° _, tl Lord WELLINGTON was at Toro, with the Ol t ' . Army ; MARMONT had taken up a st:ong po i " tion on the North side of the Duero ; Lord 'VW?: LINGTON destroyed the bridges. General F. who was at Albuera, is said to have advanced Pr wL.rds SOULT, in order to act on the offensive. His Majesty's ship impetueitx, Vice-Adal irsl • k MARTIN, was in the Tagus, with the Fairs Jasper sloops also - the two packets Duk e o f Kent and Arabella' ; the latter was to sail ou the 19th instant, and may be hourly expected. Mr, BETTY and Mrs. EDWIN are still perfortr ing at Cheltenham, and continue.to be attra ctive : :Mrs,MOuNTAIN, whose illness *as so gevere; o fle i has so long continued as almost to forbid the 11 , 4 1 of returning the public life, is now so rin le . l better, that in the course of a few mon ths sh e expected to resume her profession. • YOUNG is engage:l to perform a few nights n' Plymouth Dock, where he is to make his first aP' pearance tO-night in 11,amlet. :,The Manager 1 ,,! 3 ! announced hire in such-lofty terms, as b e P a ' himself too much good-sense and delicacy to 91 : . prove, viz. " the very celebrated Mr. who is, universally considered, by the Lan", ° l critics, as the most finished actor on the E n g to Stage." . KEMBLE has closed - his engagement at W e , pool; and •is gone" to perform a few nig hts a Edinburgh. - This morning was married at. St. George s, nover:-square, by the Bishop of ELY, MISS SAL WH Secretary YIN, niece of M. ARTON, SCCCaiy Of tb Treasury, to ROBERT DELISLE, Esq. Escape.---A Man was last night 'taken into . 0 1 tody, in -an attempt to break open the / ioe ' , t draper's fire shop at e corner of B r idge-str ee t , Parliament-street, and lodged in St. Margare Watchs-house. Early this morning' his tella; 'depredator Made ri hole - in the wall of the Nva, t , c ': house, and effected his escape. . While the fel'(3lv 'was making the hole, solve masons who Wer e & work near the spot, asked hiM what he was a b() he told them that he was breaking space W t. window. This answer satisfied them, and _h ° ruffians got clear off. A C - BREAD.—There js no alteration in the pric e Bread this week. would be prOp6;ed by ,his NOble Friend, would. meet the approbation of the house ; he shetild not oppose the third reading. • Earl CAMDEN defanded .Ministers agahist the charges of 'The Noble Lord . (Darnley), and . thought, that if they. had the good fortune to recommend themselves to the nation by popular Measures; it was a proof of their ability, as well as of their good intentions. , On the general me rits of 'the Bill, be wished to state, that , it Jiad his entire approbation ; and the ground upon 'which he sthod, was tl, at, where attempts at insubordi- , nation were made, they should be met early and vigorously. As to the •allusions which /were thrown out respecting the adoption - of strong measures, he did not hesitate to take them to himself ; but he Would say - ,. that if those wer; considered strong ineasures which , took place while he had the honour to bear his Majesty's cominailsSion in Ireland, they were at the same time necessary measures. None of • the Noble LOrds from that part of the United Kingdom were now present ; if they were, he was confident they would acknowledge, as they had upon former "oc casions, that, if the Govertiinent, of Ireland was chargeable-With any thing, it was with being too slow in resorting to wharthey noiv, were charged with. With regard to a Noble Viscount, who be longed to another House (Lord CaStlereagh), to whom frequent allUsions had been made, he could state, that, ,at the period in question, he was not in theGovetenment ; it ,was true, that he ivo:i an active'Mag,istrate; and an able supporter of Go vernment; but he held no official situation. The principal object for which he (Lord Camden) had risen, was show that he was , not insen sible to such insinuations as were thrown out, and to exonerate his Noble Friend and Relation from any share in those proceedings which he was will ing to take solely upthi himself. The Earl of LIVERPOOL expressed his perfec. .agreement in. all that his Noble Friend (Earl Cam- cleu) had said with regard to own conduct, and td that .of the Noble Viscount. No Minds, he was convinced, would be less capable of im posing measures of unnecessary hardship. Thb Bill itself, he allowed, was one that required to be justified try the Report on the table ; but he . thought it 'impossible for any one, after the pe rusat of that Report, to say that it was not a mea sure of necessity and of humanity. He defended the conducts.* Government from the charge of negligence, and maintained that they took mea sures very early and very successfully in the case of Nottingham. The Orders in Council, he con tended, did not produce the disturbances, for is the town of Birmingham, .which was the place most affected by the want of trade, there was no disturbance ; and in the neighbourhood of Hud dersfield, where there was no connection with the trade, the evil appeared in its greatest extent. The real question was, whether the powers con tained in the Bill were necessary to produce quiet; and this should be considered without reference to Ministers. if the impression was, that Ministers could not be depended on, they should be changed ; but while it ;was deemed fit to retain them, they should be entrusted with every power requisite to secure the peace of the country. The Earl . of DARNLEY explained. The Bill was then read a third time. Lord nomIND, • after some observations, in which he replied to the different arguments ad vanced in faVour of the Bill as it stood; and re peated his former ohjectio2s, proposed three seve ral amendments. The first, for the insertion of, the words " two Justices ;" the "second for the. insertion of the words " reasonable grounds of suspicion ;" and the third for the omission of the word " might." The two first amendments werenegatived with out a division, hut , a division took place' on the third, in which the numbers were, Foj the Aznentlinent Against it l7 Majority —ll • Adjourned to to-morrow. MAILS. ARCIVED-1 Lisbon, 1 Anbolt, 1 Dublin, 1 Waterford. Doi;-1 Cadiz, 1 Lisbon. PIITCE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT T\V,^•.IXE Consols Red. Ann..... 56 I,ommuni.. 2 '2llm, THE SUN. SOLE-NI QVIS DICIME F.ILSUM ACIDEAT ?