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is wiled it 4 to coierm of rioqu erbirb Ebition SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. RAILWAY COMMITTEES. (THIS DAY). HOUSE OF LORDS. %Room A. C WIN W'ELIAL—WZST CORNWALL. The conaideration of the merits of the above lines, which, bough under different names and in different Bills, form together but one scheme, having been referred to a Select Oommittee, consisting of Lords Denbigh, Monteagle, Kingston, Nelson, and Torrington, their Lordships assem bled this morning in Room A, at eleven o'clock. Lord Denbigh in the chair. The members were all in attendance. The promoters of the Bill were represented by Mr. Austin, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Sergeant Kinglake, Mr. Merrivale, and Mr. Montague Smith ; and the supporters of the Cornwall and Devon Central, a line originally competing with this, but thrown out on the standing orders by the Committee of the House of Commons, were represented by Mr. Cockburn. The latter gentleman, and Messrs. Hope, James, Rowe, Hume, &c., also appeared for a number of petitioners against the bill. Mr. Auswi, on the part of the promoters of the Bill, objected to the appearance of counsel on the petition of the Cornwall and Devon Central, upon which a long discussion arose, the result of which was that the Committee refused to hear the opposition on the part of the competing project. Mr. Jimmie then proceeded to open the case for the pro moters at considerable length. The main line, he said, corn menc?.d at Plymouth by a junction with the South Devon Railway, and proceeded by Liskeard, Clynn-bridge, Los withiel, St. Austell, Truro, and Penrvn, to Falmouth. The length of the line Was 63 miles: There was a branch to Bodmin and Padstow, the length of which was 15 miles, and the estimate was about 1,500,000/. The West Cornwall line was a continuation from Truro to Penzance. Now It was a curious 'fact that the county of Corn wall was entirely devoid of Railway communication, and indeed was the only county in England which was so. The fact was, that although the people were the most locomotive people in the kingdom, there was not a single railway in the county. Railways had long been demanded, and many at tempts to establish them had been made, but up to the year 1844 none had been successful. In the beginning of that year—in March, he believed—a meeting was held at Truro, at which resolutiens were passed as to the necessity for a line of railway similar to this, and this project being brought for ward, was universally approved of. A Bill was brought for ward last session, which was passed in the Lower House, and which certainly was not passed, but which could not be said to have been rejected by the Com mittee of this House. Lord Ellenborough was Chair man of that Committee, and in announcing their de cision on the case his Lordship said, that they were of opinion that the making of a railway from Plymouth to Falmouth, with a branch to Bodmin (it was not then proposed to carry the branch on to Padstow) would be a very great public benefit; but they would recommend that the line should be carefully and accurately re-surveyed, with a view to secure more favourable gradients, and to avoid some inci dental damage which would be done by the line as originally laid down. They therefore resolved that it was not expedient that the Bill be allowed to proceed. The line had once been re-surveyed. It came before the% House of Commons this session. After a long and vexatious opposition it ultimately passed through that House, and he had little doubt it would now pass this House. All the landowners—that is to say, a great majority of them—were in favour of the scheme. Lord St. Germans was the chair man, and Lords Fortescue, Wodehouse, and Clinton. Sir Edward Coleworth, and a host of other gentlemen of the highest respectability were members of the company, and a great many noblemen and gentlemen whom he would not tire their Lordships by enumerating, were promoters of the Bill. Yet so violent, so determined was the opposition, that the cost of passing the Bill through the House of Commons, in 1844, was 730,000/. The recommendation of Lord Ellenborough's Committee as to the alteration of the levels, curves, &c., had been fully carried out. The gradients in the old scheme were in some cases 1 in 54, 1 in 45, and even 1 in 40. The steepest gradient on the line, as at present proposed, was lin 60. He would not say that that was a good gradient, but it was as good a gradient as could possibly be got in such a country, and he would have no difficulty in proving it to be a workable gra dient. As a proof of the assertion that the great mass of the people were in favour of the line, he would observe that while there were about twenty petitions against the Bill, on their Lordships table, there were just 240 in its favour ; and that the capital already raised in Cornwall alone, amounted to 365,000/. The Learned Counsel, on concluding his address, proceeded to call witnesses in favour of the line. Mr. Broad, a merchant at Falmouth, and agent for Lloyd's there, gave general evidence, the effect of which was to cor robate part of the statements contained in the Learded Coun sel's speech. Mr. Fox, also a merchant at Falmouth, gave similar evidence. . _ Mr. Karceck, a merchant, and importer of guano, and of artificial manures, at Truro, gave evidence as to the probable agricultural traffic on the line, lac. Mr. Mitchell, owner of clay and pottery works near Truro, gave evidence favourable to this line, in respect of the business he himself was engaged in. He also gave statistics as to the amount of traffic in clay, &c., existing in the neighbourhood. This gentleman's evidence occupied the Committee up to Four o'clock, at -which hour they rose, and adjourned till to morrow. Room B. IMICESTEIL AND BZDTON.D. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) This concluded the evidence for the Bill. Mr. AUSTIN, Q.C., for the South Midlands Company, called, in opposition to the Bill, Earl Spencer, who spoke to the necessity of a railway to Northampton and the district between Northampton and Market Harborough_ He said he presented a petition in favour of the South Midlands branch from about 1,700 of the inhabitants of Northampton. Mr. Vernon Smith, M.P. for Northampton, gave evidence corroborative of Earl Spencer. He said he had looked gene rally to the scheme before the Committee, and the South Midlands scheme, and he gave his decided preference to the latter as it gave the best local accommodation, uniting two country towns, Northampton and Huntingdon, which were omitted by the other line. He did not think the district through which the line before the Committee passed would maintain an indepentent line. He was a shareholders of this South Midlands line. Mr. Sergeant WILANGHAM cross-examined the witnesses. The Committee then adjourned till eleven on Monday. Room C. 81a.A.C1011311.N, DAILIXTEN AND BOLTON. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) Mr. Joshua Knowles of Tottington was examined, and gave evidence in support of the line. Mr. George :Millington, calico printer and lessee of the Wharton Vale Works was next examined, and stated that if the present line were established it would effect a great saving in the transit of his goods as well as for the dyes, &c., used in the process of his business, and that he fulls• con curred in the evidence of the preceding witness as to the general benefits of the line. This witness was cross-examined at length, but without eliciting anything againt his direct testimony. Room D. GLASGOW, DUMFRIES, AND CARLISLE. A Committee on the merits of this Bill, consisting of the following Peers, met to-day in Room Din the New Houses of •Parliament ; Earl St. Germane, chairman, Viscount Canning, Lord Orford, the Earl of Charleville, and Lord Ducie. The Noble CHAIRMAN, before the proceedings commenced, expressed a hope that, looking to the long preliminary pro ceedings on the Bill before the House of Commons, the coun sel on both sides would exercise their best discretion in ab staining from the introduction of irrelevant matter. He threw out the suggestion in the expectation that the Learned Gentlemen would take the hint in good part, and act upon it. The Learned Counsel present expressed themselves obliged to the Noble Chairman for his hint, and promised to keep the suggestion in view in their examinations. Counsel for the promoters of the Bill, Mr. Andrews, Mr. Austin, and Mr. Talbot ; for the opponents (the Caledonian Railway Company), Mr. Sergeant Wrangham, Mr. Cock burn, and Mr. Sergeant Ilope. Mr. Sergeant Murphy appeared for a petitioning landed proprietor. Mr. ANDREWS opened the case on behalf of the promoters. He said the object of the present Bill was to form a line of railway from a point near to Curnnock, in the county of Ayr, through the wally of the Xith, to a point south on the Caledonian Railway, near to the crossing of the river Sark; the great object being to connect the populous and important countj of Ayr with the north of England, and at the same time to accommodate the inhabitants of the county of Dumfries generally. Besides the main line, there were two branches proposed to be formed, the one called the Crawick branch, from Sanquhar to a point on the Caledonian Rail way ; and another to the south, on a point near to the cros sing of the river Sark , to a place called Cambia, e main line was sixty-four miles long ; the Crawick b ranch was sixteen miles ; and the Canobie branch seven miles. There were no engineering difficulties, and the estimates were amply sufficient for the works pro posed. The lion. Gentleman h ere followed the route of the line, explaining the character of the country proposed to be accommodated, and the necessity there was for railway ac commodation. Ile explained that the district in Ayrshire which required the line of railway was an important menu factoring and mineral one, of which Kilmarnock was the centre, and that the inhabitants were generally in favour of it. Dumfrieashire,lon the other end of the line, was an important and highly improving agricultural district, the population of which was also strongly in favour of the line. The great advantage expected by alt parties was a mutual exchange e of ni t y he b p e rodnctsofthe two districts, an obj ec t w hi c h cou ld accomplished by means of a railway like the present. In fact, there was no other means of supplying this large tract of country but by such a line of railway. The principal oppon en t o f t h e l i ne wa Company, who complained th at it would hewould beg damage their interests by taking away thi er traffic. Now the Caledoni an leave to call the attention o f th e C omm i ttee to the fact that the Nithadale line was heard a few weeks ago in contrast with an extension scheme of the Caledonian Company for totirjeen days betore the Committee of the House of Com mons, and the result was, the rejection of the branches of the Caledonian, and the affirmation of the preamble of the pre sent Bill. It was then satisfactorily shown that this line was imperatively required, and that the Caledonian line would rot suffer from competition in the manner its promo ters feared. But not only did that Committee decide in favour of this Bill. but the subject was subsequently debated in the House itself, and the Bill w as a ffi rmed by a. large majority. In tact the fears of the Caledonian Company were altogether exaggerated, as they would still command ski the north of Scotland traffic by the Scottish Central, through Stirling, as well a.• the Glasgow and Edinburgh traffic- The only other opponent of the Bill was a landowner, which he had not the )east doubt was only covertly appear ing for the Caledonian Comp tny, and the disposal of the op position of the one would also settle that of the other. The Learned Gentleman having asserted that the scheme was altogether different from the one adjudicated on last year in competition with the Caledonian, and that it was now solely promoted as a local line, and having gone into several particulars of the line for which he appeared, traffic, engi neering, peculiarities, &c., concluded by proceeding to call his witnesses on behalf of the Bill. Mr. Sergeant IVRANatr.,,t, before the evidence was gone Into, begged leave to make an application to the Committee. The Learned Gentleman who had spoken had made reference to what took place last year, and as it was evident reference In the course of the inquiry would have to be made to what then took place, he wouLl beg leave to ask the Noble Chair man to move the House to refer the evidence taken before the Committee of last year to the present Committee. Mr. ANDREws objected to the application on the ground that the issue new to be tried was different to that tried last year. The question then tried was, which of two great lines should be made to accommodate the south of Scotland generally : now the point raised was totally different. They had now to consider the propriety of constructing a line for the purpose of local traffic. The scheme was not only different, but the grounds on which it was put forward were also altogether different. It was not a competing line with the Caledonian. Mr. Sergeant WIWZGIIIM replied, maintaining that the scheme was substantially the same as that brought forward last year. Whatever the Learned Gentleman on the other side might say to the contrary, he insisted the Nithsdale line was a competing line with the Caledonian Railway. It was held by the Committee last year that the two lines were competing schemes, and the Board of Trade held the same view of the question. The circumstances which related to the two lines then were precisely the same now, and he submitted that the reasons and evidence then adduced were necessary and admissible to clear up the case now. .His Learned Friend might attempt to gild the Bill, by saying that they did not depend on general or through traffic, but on local traffic only, but the Committee, he was persuaded, would see that the issue was still substantially the same as that of last year, and would, in order to have all the necessary information before them on the question, take steps for the production of the evidence sought to be obtained. The room was then cleared for a decision. On the admission of the parties ----- The CHAIRMAN intimated that the Committee would first inquire whether the evidence was such as to warrant on local grounds the construction of such line, and therefore they would not at this stage of the proceedings call for the evi dence adduced last year. Mr. W. Crawford, a landed proprietor, and a justice of the peace, and a deputy-lieutenant of the county of Ayr, was first called and examined—He lived about three miles from Kil marnock. Kilmarnock was an inland town, in the centre of the county, containing about 22,000 inhabitants. It had doubled its population the last thirty years. It was the largest town in the county engaged in carpet manufacturing, calico printing, shawl manufacturing, shoes, &c. A large nursery and seed trade was carried on in the neighbourhood. There was also large mineral fields in the neighbourhood, belonging to the Duke of Portland and Mr. Finnie. The former exported yearly about 100,000 tons of coal. The manufacturing towns and villages of Stewarton, Galston, Darvei, Newilns, and Kilmains, were all connected with Kil marnock. Troon, an important seaport, was connected with Kil • marnock by a mineral line, which was now being adapted to locomotives. He had prepared a table of the iron furnaces in the county, which showed 34 furnaces in all. This in cluded those in blast, erecting, or proposed to be erected. Each furnace would make about 100 tons a week. A line of railway was at present in progress from Kilmarnock to Cumnock, in connexion with the Is ithsdale line, which would be in connexion with most of these iron furnaces.; A line, with the consent of the landed proprietors, was to be constructed from Ayr, by Auchinleck, to Muirkirk. The line to the south proposed would be of immense benefit, as there was a large traffic in that direction, which could alone be efficiently accommodated by a direct line. A large portion of the traffic the present line would take went at present by the steamers from Ardrossan. The po pulation of Ayrshire was 200,000; and at a meeting of the Commissioners" of Supply for the county, at which he was present, a petition in favour of the line was unanimously agreed to. The petitions in its favour from Ayrshire and Dumfriesshire were 51 in number. He had taken shares in the present line because he thought it would be of great public benefit, but he held shares in no other line, and he had taken them to qualify as a director. Cross-examined by Mr. Cocmanaw—"He held 150 shares in the present company. Twenty were only required as a qualification for a director. There were none of the iron turnaces on the proposed line from Cumnock and Dumfries. Between Glasgow and Kilmarnock there were the two furnaces, the Blair works, which were on the line. Between Kilmarnock and Cumnock (there were six furnaces, and 'there were the Muirkirk, and other iron furnaces, on the private line from Muirkirk to Ayr. The iron made went to Glasgow, and none went to the south. It might be wanted hereafter for foundries at Dumfries, and elsewhere. Were the iron now exported, it would go to Troon and Ardrossan, and would continue to go there. There was coal along with the iron-stone, but there was at present no more coal than was required to make the iron. These mineral fields had abundant railway accommo dation at present, and towards the south they did not much require it. He thought coal would go south from the neigh bourhood of Cumnock, if the line was made. Thought the iron furnaces at present consumed all the coal. He thought the coal-fields would be worked to a greater extent, .o as to furnish an extra supply. He had not, however, practical knowledge on the subject. It was mainly speculative. If the iron making increased with the working of the coal fields, then there would not be much probability of coals going south. From: Cumnock the mineral field extended to Sanquhar, with the exception of a little break. To Mr. Sergeant MUIPITY—There was but one coach hrough to Dumfries, a two-horse coach; It had the through traffic from Glasgow to Carlisle. The coach ran from Kil marnock, in connexion with the railway, and obtained a good deal of support from that town. Mr. Hugh Craig, merchant, of Kilmarnock, examined by Mr. ANDREWS, deposed as to the character of the trade of that town. Ile had made himself acquainted with the details of the town. He was the largest mercer and haberdasher of the town, out of forty in the trade. Their goods came mainly from England ; in weight about 300 tons, and in value about 100,0001. If the line was made these goods would come by it, but at present they were carried by water. At present they were liable to be damaged, besides delay. Speed was a great object, which the railway would realise. A large trade in tanning was at present carried on, the most of the bsrk for which came from Dum fries. There is also a large trade in boots and shoes ; the most of these went to Liverpool, in weight about 100 tons. Of fancy linings, leather, &c., about 100 tons were exported from England. The largest ryegrass seed trade in the world was carried on here, of which two-thirds went to England. The weight would be about 1,300 tons, of the value of from 25,000!. to 30,000/. If the line was formed the seed wouldpass by it. A considerable traffic in fruit and other seeds also took place. A large amount of agricultural produce would come from Dumfriesshire into Ayrshire were the line formed. At pre sent the land carriage was very heavy. There was a large trade in ironmongery carried on in Kilmarnock, the most of which same from the south, in weight about 700 tons and in value 60,0001. Cross-examined—He had heard the information he had given that day repeatedly stated by parties in the district. He was quite certain it was correct, as far as he had any means of acquiring information. The 300 tons of soft goods he mentioned as coming from the south came principally by Glasgow. There were houses in that town that supplied the inferior towns of Scotland with English goods. The connexion with Glasgow and England was by means of large steamers daily to Liverpool, and from thence to London by railway. He did not think goods could be obtained from London that way in forty-eight hours. He found it about five or six days at present. Kilmarnock was the centre of a district of 100,000 inhabitants, the most of which purchased their woollen goods in Kilmarnock. He was certain the wholesale and retail sale of English goods was in value 100,0001. He had no doubt they would come by the railway if one was made. some might come by Glasgow, but he had no conception of the amount. Though Glasgow was nearer than London, if a line was formed they would it their interest to go to Lon don, though the expense would be greater. Under the cir cumstances that would be no object. With regard to the leather trade, the heavier portions of it went by the sail ing vessels. Despatch, therefore, was not a great object in this article. He did not think goods from England to Kilmarnock would be taken cheaper by steam to Ardrossan than by railway. He could not state the rate per ton by the steamers. Of the ironmongery goods he had named, about the half came by sailing vessels. He sup ported the line from a sense of public duty. He only held ten shares in the line. There was a large East and West India trade at Glasgow, Port Glasgow, and Greenock, but he did not think Kilmarnock would get its supplies of fine sugar from those places. With the railway, they would be sup plied from London. To Mr. Sergeant Muernee.—Near all the ryegrass-seeds exported weal by sea. About 600 men were engaged in Kilmarnock in the shoe-trade, A great number of shoes were consumed in the district. Perhaps 100 ton more. A pair of shoes would be about a pound in weight ; and a man might make about a pair a day. Mr. Muerny.—l have made the calculation, and, accord ing to it, I find that 600 men could only, at the weight of a pound a pair, make in a year 83 tons. How do you make that agree with your calculation ? Witness—A great number of women and children are engaged in the trade. Mr. Menriiv—When did you ever know of women mak ing shoes ?—(Laughter.) Witness—They assist in making shoes. I can only say that lam certain the weight exported is 100 tons. Regarding the consumption in the district I cannot say what it would be. Witness (in continuation) said ho knew the fares the steamer were less than they were by the railway; still he believed a large proportion of the traffic would go by the railway, on account of the quick ness. He calculated the railway fare, at 2d. per mile, to be 335. 6d.; by steamboat it was 1/. Glasgow was the great centre of the trade of Scotland. The course of trade from Kilmarnock, especially in the shawl and printing trade, was by way of Glasgow. The Foods mainly went to the Glasgow wholesale warehouses. The greater proportion of the drysalttries used at Kilmarnock came by wa y of Glasgow. Re-examined—lf the charge by the Netherdale line to Liverpool was made at the rate of the Glasgow and Ayr line, 1 d. a mile, the fare would be but 255. That would be as cheap as going by steamer from Glasgow, as 4s. would be required to take a person there. They wanted to do business direct with London, and not through middlemen at Glasgow. With regard to the shoe trade, he did not know but a man might in K m i s hn ke arri fou oc r k r a i l r ar a ge d n a u y i;be ß r e w si e d r e e s em th p e loy 6oo ed men eng weight o fshoes,villages. but Hehecowuasld cure theua exactly the in the a o d i P a in p i anigrgross export was 100 tons. To the Crialltstaw—He could not Bay what he paid at present for carriage per ton, the goods went through many hands, and were often charged by bulk. He had goods from Manchester occasionally, and as near as he could say, the cost might be I, abo a u il t wa 2 y l. to a 2 t i on h . y st l e l a e m w er o . uld He p co ref u e l r d p at ay p i r n e g . h se u n t t it was 3L I°;tad tona y b t • O ' r f tm Manchester e. through the Fleetwood steamers, a calico printer, of Kilmarnock, exa mined—He a loss o Mr. Thomas Neill, t establishmenti f n r 0 m hmoiunseed—inHeLohnadcloamlarAge Leith to London cost about 51. Bs. a ton. By Fleetwood and I . onlyi v e r p m ° o o l d e t s h eo of cost o c s o t n w v o e u y l a n d c b e e a n b o o w u . t London i a l d 8 s . t hme T ya, h r ak e s e e tr a w wi l e ow r u e el ydt thehgegir greatest part of th e go ods for the by it.in In the printing n t o i n n l g y t 3r trade e h . a n In n s Iweret hethere employed were in nine works Kilmar nock that employed 360 h ands ; and i n 1846 t h ere were eight works employing 880 hands, and with hands depending ou these about 2,000 i n a ll. In getting the fabrics printed to market, dispatch was everything. The value of the goods printed every year was about 400,0001., of which two-thirds went to England. The raw unprinted cloth came from Lancashire, in weight about 1,300 tons, and about 1,100 tons of finished goods returned. A great deal of drysaltery stuffs came from England. The railway would be of great advantage to the trade of the town, and the inhabitants were generally in its favour. Cross-examined—He worked mostly to order, through orders derived from Manchester and London, by the Glasgow houses. No orders came to him direct from London or Man chester. It was the wholesale dealers in Glasgow who pur chased from the printers. He had opened a house, for the last four years, for the accommodation of the wholesale trade. Nearly all the drysaltery came from Glasgow. To Mr. Sergeant MURPIIK—Great complaint was at pre. sent made of Fleetwood route, as the goods often lay two or three days at Liverpool. He thought if the line was formed dealers, who wanted his particular kind of goods, would be content with buying at Kilmarnock, without going to Glas gow. He could not say that all the heavy goods would go by railway ; many might still go b y steam and sailing vessels. Al the goods at present went to Glasgow, and should the traders still continue to go there the goods, if a railway were preferred, might go south by the Caledonian Railway ; still he saw no necessity of the goods going to Glasgow at all, but they might besent direct to England from Kilmarnock. To the Chairman—There was railway accommodation from Kilmarnock to Ardrossan, about fifteen miles in length. Re-examined—They had tried the Fleetwood route, but goods were alway declined ; they preferred the Leith route as more curtain, THE SUN, LONDON, _FRIDAY _EVENING, JULY 17, 1846: Mr. John Thompson, carpet manufacturer, of Kilmarnock, examined—He was one of the firm of Gregory, Thompson, and Co., the most extensive house in the trade. There were 900 hands in the carpet trade, of which his house em ployed 460. The value would be about 120,0001., and the weight 500 tons. A considerable portion of the wool used came from the south, and the most of the manufactured goods went to London. Dispatch was of great importance in this trade. He had a house in London, and employed the Leith and London route for sending goods. The charge per ton was about 41. 10s. To Liverpool the charge was 2/. 6s. a ton. He believed, if the line was formed, the greater portion of the goods he sent south would go by it. Cross-examined by Mr. HOPE—They used the steamers by way of Leith. He had tried the Ardrossan and Fleet wood route, and found it very uncertain. The delay arose, he believed, at Fleetwood. He had a house in Glasgow as well as in London. There were about 500 looms in the town. There were considerable depots of carpets in Glasgow, and considerable purchases were made by the dealers there. To Mr. Sergeant MURPHY—Goods sent by sailing vessels from Glasgow to Liverpool were charged about 15s. a ton. Mr. Wilson was shortly examined in corroboration of the evidence of the previous witness, when The Committee adjourned till to-morrow at eleven o'clock. As the Committee was rising, Mr. TAL.ncyr said he wished to intimate that he appeared for the Duke of Buccleuch, and would be prepared to address the Committee, should any alteration be made in the line that would injure the interest of his client. Mr. Sergeant WRANGHAM said, the Duke of Buccleuch was a petitioner in favour of the line, and could not be heard by counsel on his petition. He objected, therefore, to his speaking at all, as the object of retaining him had been to deprive the opposite side of his services. After a conversation the matter dropped. The CHAIRMAN stated, that the question whether Mr. Talbot should be heard was not then before them, no altera tion having as yet been made in the Bill. The Committee then rose. STANDING ORDERS' COMMITTEE. HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships met at the usual hour, Lord Shaftesbury in the chair. There were eleven Bills on the list, all Railway Bills. EDINBURGH, GLASGOW AND SCOTTISH CENTRAL JUNCTION. The standing orders were complied with in this case. BLACKBURN, PRESTON, AND EAST LANCASHIRE AMALGAMATION. The promoters of this Bill also had complied with the standing orders. LIVERPOOL, ORMSKIRK, AND PRESTON. So also had the promoters of this Bill. WHITEHAVEN AND FURNESS (KIRKSANTON DEVIATION). Standing orders complied with. GLASGOW AND BELFAST UNION. Their LordshiPs declared the standing orders complied with in this case. GRAND JUNCTION, SHOWHILL, AND PORTOBELLO. They made a similar decision in this case. TAFF VALE. In this instance a similar decision was made. LEEDS AND BIRMINGHAM. The same was the case in this instance. LLYNVI VALLEY AND SOUTH WALES JUNCTION. Standing orders complied with. LONDON AND BIRMINGHAM (WEEDON AND NORTHAMPTON). CORK AND WATERFORD. (Two Bills.) On second reference—standing orders complied with. The following cases have been passed in Committee on merits : Caledonian (Carlise Deviation); Shrewsbury, Oswestry, and Chester Junetion, (Crickheath and Wem lines); Shrews bury, Oswestry, and Chester Junction (Extension and Devia tiods); North Wales Mineral (Deviation and Branches) ; Liverpool and Bury and Manchester and Leeds Amalgama tion ; Edinburgh and Bathgate • Leeds and Bradford (Alter ation of Levels) ; Leeds, Dewsbury, and Manchester (Devi ations and Branches); Surrey Iron Railway Company Dis solving. Their Lordships rose about half-past five o'clock. BANK OF ENGLAND. (From this night's Gazette.) An Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victoria, cap. 32, for the Week ending on Saturday, the 11th day of July, 1846. ISSUX DXPARTBEENT. X. Notes Issued—. • . • . 29,266,360 Government debt .. 11,015,100 Other securities .. • . 2,984,900 Gold coin and bullion 12,844,442 Silver bullion 2,421,918 Z 29,266,360 I X 29,266,360 M. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the 16th day of July, 1846. BANKING DEPAIITNENT. Proprietors' capital 14,5753,000 Rest 3,482,541 Public deposits (in elading Exchequer, Commissioners of National Debt, Sav ings-banks, and Di vidend accounts) 3,489,416 Other deposits .. Seven day and other bills . • • Government securi ties (Including Dead Weight Annuity) .. 12,962,147 Other securities .... 16,143,726 Notes .•.•••• • • • • • • • 8,425,630 Gold and silver coin. • 596,306 X 38,127,809 4 36,127,809 MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the 16th day of July, 1841 COURSE OF EXCHA Amsterdam . . .. C.F. 12 8% Ditto, at sigh t 12 S}4 .NGE.-(THIS DAY). Gibraltar .. .. • • • • Leghorn 30 45 Genoa 26 lc, Milan .... . . • • • Venice...... ..... . Naples 39X Palermo, per os Lisbon 52 Oporto •.,,..,,.....•.. 42% Rio Janeiro 24 Bahia .. Buenos Ayres New York, 21 days' sight Philadelphia Rotterdam ...... 2U. 12 9 Antwerp 26 10 Hamburgh Ali . . 13 15 Altona . Paris, 3 days' sight .. • . 25 75 Ditto, 3 inontlis...... 26 5 Marseilles • . .•.. • . 26 10 80urdeaux......... .. 26 10 F - rankfort oil Maine.... 122 A Petersbargh, 3 Us .. .. .. Berlin .. . Vienna, effec. do • ... • • 10 N Trieste, ditto .... .. 10 10 Madrid .............. 354 i Cadiz .. •.. : ........ 36 ti Barcelona . . pszczti 07 BULLION, PER oz. Foreign Gold ia bars ...£3 17 9 Portugal Gold Coin .. 3 17 5 New Doubloons ...... 0 0 0 New Dollars ........ 0 4 9 % SilTer in bars ........ 0 4 11% THE LONDON GAZETTE. (THIS EVENING.) CROWN OFFICE, JULY 17. MlLltiltte ILITURNIED TO CZILTIE IN PILESTNT Borough of Dungarvan—The Right Hon. Richard Lalor Shell, Master of the Mint. City of Edinburgh--The Right Hon. Thomas Babington Macaulay, Paymaster-General ; and William Gibson Craig, Esq., one of the Lords Commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury. Borough of Hertford—The Hon. William Francis Cowper, one of the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty. City of Lichfield—Alfred Paget, Esq. (commonly called Lord Alfred Paget), Clerk Marshal to her Majesty. Borough of Richmond—Henry Rich, Esq., one of the Lords Commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury. WAR OFFICE, JULY 17. The following further List of Non-Commissioned Officers and Privates of the Queen's Army, killed in the recent Battles on the Sutlej, or who have subsequently died of wounds received in those Actions : 9th Lancers—S. Day. 16th Lancers—Henry Appleby, Lebbeus Barber, William Bates, George Batty, William Bidwell, Thomas Blades, Wil liam Brodie, Thomas Bossan, William Brown, Thomas Brown, James Brown, James Carroll, George Claxton, Thomas Clryton, William Compton, William Cowan, Charles Curle, John Dangerfield, William Durant, William Eason, Robert Elliott. William Fishe, Henry Gain, Richard Garret, Charles Grimes, John Hawkerley, Edward Hitchens, John Holland, Henry Hurst, John Kennedy, Edward Lawler, Henry Lawton, And rew M'D onne ll. Alf re d Mowbray, John Murdaunt, Frederick Mulcock. Thomas Murphy, Henry Newson, Samuel Parker William Penrose, William Roberts, Jo se ph Sedgwick, William Sims, John Sissons, Peter Skerritt, William Smith, James Smalley, George Spickernell, Edward Spyers, William Saint George, Charles Sutton, John Sutcliffe, John Thornton, Henry Thorpe, Thomas Townsend, George Turton, Walter Wadhen, William Webb, George Williams, John Wilson, Thomas Witty, William Whennell, Henry White. 53d Foot—William Adams, Charles Adams, Charles Astley corporal), William Beard, Richard Byrnes (corporal), William Clancy (corporal), Christopher Cook, 'W illiam Cook, George Cox, John Cross (drummer), William Davies, Robert Davies, Benjamin Drew, Francis Green, Francis Grogan, Richard Gullett, David Hardy, Thomas Henderson (colour sergeant), Jacob Hendicott, Patrick Hernon, Thomas Holmes, James Ireland, Richard Jaundrell, Henry Janes. James Kane (corporal(, James Kilgarrou, John King, John H. Magnair, Peter M'Gnire, George Moore, John Osborne, William Paton (corporal), Thomas Ramsden, Wm. Rhoades, Thomas Bowen, William Rowlands, James Robe shaw, Francis Russell, John Shaw, George Shingler, Stephen Spacey, Henry Smith (corporal), William Steel, Charles Slade, James Thompson, Patrick Whelan, George Witson. ADMIRALTY, July 7. Corps of Royal Marines—Sergeant-Major G. Dibben to be Quartermaster. Commission signed by the Queen. The Royal Cernwall and Devon Miners' Regiment of Mi litia—Captain W. Ward to be Adjutant, May 30. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Hereford. Herefordshire Regiment of Militia— J. Morris, Gent., to be Surgeon. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Bute. Argyle and Bute Regiment of Militia—W. Robertson, Esq., to be Captain, vice C. V. Stuart, Esq., resigned, June 12. BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED. Edward Weeks, hot-house builder, King's-road, Chelsea. David Johnstone, joiner and builder, Chorlton-upon-Med lock, Manchester. Na lUmPanTi David Kempton, m cturer, Bergonadsey- B a t A t r 3 street, to surrender July 28 , at two, and August at the Court of Bankruptcy. Alsager, official assign t cin ee e ; Bi rc hin-lane, Cornhill ; Wright, London-street, Feuchurch street. Robert Hayes Easum, rope- maker, Commercial-road, East, Stepney, July 24, at two, and August 28, at half-past one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Church, Spital-square. John Benstead, hosier, Fleet-street, July 28, at half-past one, and Aug. 28, at half-past twelve, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Alsager, official assignee, Birchin-lane ; Reed and Langford, Friday-street. Edward Boult, grocer, Isleworth, July 29 and Aug. 26, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Belcher, official assignee; Dods, St. Martin's-lane. Edward Hodges, wine-merchant, Circus-street, Marylebone, July 22, at one, and Aug. 26, at two, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Belcher, official assignee ; Harpur, Kennington cross, Surrey. William Hunt, printer, High-street, Marvlebone, July 24, and Sept. 1, at el even , a t th e Court of Bankruptcy. Follett, official assignee, Sambrook-court, Basinghall-street ; Law rence and Flews, Bucklersburv. Charles William Cole Graham, merchant, King's Arms-yard, Coleman -street July 28, ateleven, and Aug. 29, at at the Court of Bat k B orrad '. i ruYy. Green, official assignee, Alder manbury;William Henryking's Arms-yard. Aug. 25, at nry at maltster, Stourport, July 31 and official ten ,assignee irrningham District Court. ValpY, Birmingham. Birmingham ; Wataon, Stourport ; Hodgson, Robert Cook, surgeon, Gainsb and 28, at ten, at the Leeds Districturgb, Lincolnshire, Aug. 12 offi cial assignee, Hull; Bedford-row; Court. Kynaston, R Hodson, ironmonger, Tw ; Galloway, Hull. July 31 and Aug. 21, at eleven, at tisvee;"thn, Nottinghamshire, Freeman, official assignee, Leeds ; scohtetffield District Court. Inn-fields; Gainsborough, Lincolnshire.,aiCo Lincoln'sl Edward hanks, grocer, Leeds, July 30 and Aug. 20, at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Young, official assignee, Leeds ; Wigglesworth and Co., Gray's Inn, London ; Unton and Clapham, Leeds. John Sevton, farmer, Frickley cum Clayton, Yorkshire, July :10 and Aug. 20, at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Young, official assignee, Leeds; Mitten, Southampton-build ;:igs, London; Sheardown, Doncaster; Cariss, Leeds. Robert Priestly, grocer, Manchester, July 28, and August 18, at twelvs, at the Manchester District Court. Polt, official assignee, Manchester ; Gregory, Faulkner, Gregory, and Skir • row, Bedford.row, London ; Law, Manchester. Joseph Lawrence, Butler, coal-merchant, July 27 and August 18, at eleven , at the Liverpool District Court. Bird, official assignee, Liverpool ; heightley and Co., Chancery lane, London ; Matthews , Liverpool. PRICE OF SUGAR. The average price of Brown or Muscovado Sugar, the pro duce of the British possessions in America, computed from the returns made in the week ending July 14, 1846. is 345. 6 1 Ad. per cwt. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current of July 17.) SUGAR.—To-day there was . an increa se d di sinc li na ti on manifested by Grocers and Refiners to operate in West India Sugar, in consequence of what transpired i n th e H ouse of Commons last evening with respect to the S ugar D ut i es . The business transacted in all kinds was extremely limited, and the quantity sold did not exceed 200 hilds and trcs. Refining kinds have generally brought prices equal to those of last Friday, but grocery sorts must be quoted at Gd per cwt cheaper. REFINED.—To•day Refined Sugar was in good demand for home consumption ; standard lumps could not be obtained under 68s, and low brown lumps under 60s Gd, and the re finers show more firmness. The market for bonded Crushed Sugar So quiet. MAURITICS.—There has been little desire evinced to ope rate privately in any description, and 5,287 bags 2 casks at public sale this afternoon went at prices Is to 2 s per cwt under those of the last auction, but the whole sold. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon at public sale 917 bags of Madras Sugar brought to public sale, and nearly all taken in at about the former value. In Bengal there is little done, and former rates are not to be obtained. FOREIGN.—For yellow and brown Havannah there has been a falling off in the demand, but holders evince firmness, and insist upon fully previous rates. White is held for the former currency, but !the purchases made have not been of much consequence, MOLASSES.—West India have met with little attention, and 154 puns 17 hhds 23 casks of Barbadoes at auction were taken in at 27s 6d, and 21 puns of St. Lucia at 23s 6d. COFFEE.—Toda y there was more desi re ev i nce d to b u y Mocha Coffee, ands3s bales 251 1 / 2 bales at auction were all sold at full market rates; 347 bags of Plantation Ceylon were nearly all taken iu at stiffer rates. COCOA.—The best descriptions of West India have been purchased with more freedom, and in consequence of the small supply previous rates are well supported; but for the low sorts reduced prices have been accepted. TEA.—In consequence of lower rates having been submit ted to for all kinds of Gunpowder, buyers have been induced to operate with more freedom, and large parcels were dis posed of. Imperial has declined in value, but several par cels have been sold. Twankay has met with little attention, and prices are looking down. Hyson has met with little attention, but h)lders generally are unwilling to reduce their prices. There are few orders for Young Hyson, and prices are drooping. 113-son Skin is little wanted. Scented Orange Pekoe is dull of sale, and holders experience difficulty in getting more than 2s per lb for fine. Holders of Black are reluctant to reduce their prices, and supply the market spar ingly, but the trade have shown little desire to operate. COCHINEAL—ArrivaIs having commenced to come in more freely have caused merchants to be desirous to realise this week, and they having supplied the market largely, has pro duced a decline on former rates of 3d to 6d on silvers, and 4d to 8d on black. RICE.—The demand has fallen off for Bengal, and the market continuing to be freely supplied, prices have slightly given way. Madras, however, has met with attention, and the parcels sold pri'7ately were at previous rates. Of Java there is yet little in the market. Prices do not improve for Cleaned Rice, but the demand has been good. SPICES.—To-day Malabrr Pepper was purchased with caution, and 4,000 bags at auction were all taken in at the * full worth. For Cinnamon the demand is brisker and prices are firmer. SPIRITS.—There has been less demand for Leeward Island, but holders remain firm. In Calcutta little business has been done. For Jamaica of all kinds the market has been in an actsve state this week, but in the value little variation has occulred. Demerara is held with firmness. Brandy has been purchased with increased freedom, and prices are advancing for all descriptions. Geneva has been less in demand, and lower rates are taken. For British Corn Spirits prices remain the earn& Imnuo.—To-day during the progress of the sale 727 chests were withdrawn. The quantity which passed the sale this day is 898 chests. There is no material alteration to notice in the . prices o f consum i ng an d m i ddl i ng to good shipping qualities, which are in good demand, but very fine sorts are decidedly cheaper. On.s.—A reduction on previous rates of lOs per tun having been submitted to for Seal Oil, tempted buyers to operate with more freedom. Cod is little wanted; there are sellers at 284 Souther has been purched with caution, notwithstanding the cheapness of all descriptions. Sperm at present cannot be quoted cheaper. For Rape Seed Oil reduced rates have been taken, and the supply is large. Linseed Oil has met with little attention on the spot, and crushers experience difficulty in supporting prices. TALLOW. —This afternoon at public sale 128 casks of Aus tralian Tallow were sold, 30 casks South American, 37 casks 65 barrels North, 97 casks first sort P.Y.C. taken in, and 32 casks Italian sold at lower prices. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his seat on the Woolsack shortly before Five cveral raDooy Bills were brought up horn the House of Commons and read a first time. SHEFFIELD AND LINCOLN RAILWAY. A NOBLE Loan presented two petitions in favour of this railway, one of which was from the mayor and corporation of Grimsby. His Lordship also expressed a hope that the Bill would receive the assent of their Lordships. LUNATICS BILL. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from Huntingdon against the Lunatics Bill of last session. UNION SETTLEMENTS. The NOBLE DUKE also presented a petition praying that union settlements might not take place. POST-OFFICE. Lord BROUGHAM moved for a return of the revenue and expenses of the Post-office for the year ending the 18th of January, 1846, which was agreed to. SALE OF INTOXICATING LIQUORS. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from the churchwardens and overseers of Bury, in Lancashire, praying their Lordships to pass a measure preventing the sale of spiri tuous liquors on the Sabbath. BATHS AND WASHHOUSES. The Right Rev. PRELATE also presented a petition from the churchwardens and overseers of St. Clements Danes, praying their Lordships to pass a measure to entitle parishes to borrow money for the purpose of erecting baths and wash houses for the peon. SIGNING PROTESTS. Lord REDESDALE called the attention oftheir Lordships to the signing of protests by Peers who were not present at the debates on the question to which their protests had reference. He was fully aware that there was an impression hadposition to sign p rotests w i t h abroad, that unless Pe er s were present wh en quest i ons were put that found they nsnonlie referred t o aut h or i t i es, a a t — in instance of a P eer signing a pre test who was not present at th e d e b ate on the subject to which it had reference, in th e person o f th e Duke of Somerset , in 1823, who signed a p rotest w h en an respect ta o t d o an i amendment was moved to an address to th e C rown, h e not having been in his place a t the time it was p u t, b ut as h e was them.wereta present at the debate on the subject, leave was given to his Grace to sign the protest. That was the only instance he could find of recent date. He had also referred to the first three volumes of 4d Grantham," in which he found three cases of Peers signing protest, who were not present at the debates on the questions to which they referred. The first occurred on the 3d of September, 1678, when Lord Clare signed a protest to a Supply Bill ; the next in 1720, fifty years afterwards, by Lord fleytesbury, and tike next by Lord Not. tingham, who was not present. After referring to the stand ing order, he went on to say that there was nothing in it requiring that Peers should be present at the discussion on measures to enable them to sign protests with respect to them. He had given their Lordships three instances in which it so happened that there was a difference of fifty years between the giving of those protests ; those Peers signed protests al though they were not present during the debates. The sub ject, however, was well worth an inquiry and alteration. Lord CAMPBELL said that, in his opinion, those persons only who were present during a debate were entitled to enter a protest, because a protest was understood to come from a Peer whose arguments had been overruled. But how could a Peer who was never present at all during the debate be sup posed to be overruled in that sense ? _ Lord BROUGHAM said that the Noble Baron (Lord Redesdale) had, it appeared, given expression to the general impression on this subject, but he did n o t exact l y agree with his Noble Friend's arguments as to the principl es wh i c h he had laid down with res p ec t to the eternity of pr ox i es . Lord B RE Ro D u ESGDHAALL—However, he hoped th a t t h ese prac tices proxies. Lord tices might soon expire notwithstanding the prayer which had been offered by the Noble Marquis (the Marquis of Lans downe) for their immortality.—(Laugh ter. ) Lord LANSDOWNE—I did gay colloquially, " immortal may they be." Lord BROUGHAM—" M a y they be" — ( Great Laughter.) Some conversation ensued on the subject, in which several Noble Lords took part. (LEFT Erase.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. NEW MEMBERS . Mr. MACAULAY took the oaths and his seat for the city of Edinburgh ; Mr. Riot also took the oath; and his seatfor Richmond; and the M t r h . ir G d iteimso: CRAIG took the oaths and his seat for the city of Edinburgh. All the Hon. Members were introduced by Mr. F. Mauls and another Hon. Member. Mr. B. BALDWIN moved that Canseron's Coalbrook notwithstanding u S p t o e n am Tu C e o s a d l a , and Swansea and Loughor Railway Bill be read the certificate required by the The Bill w y a , resolutions o f the House, on the 23d day of August last, to be deposited in the Private Bill-office, has not been deposited three clear days. Such certificate having only been deposited i tthheenl4th day of thir d read a thir STOCKPORT IMPROVENIENT BILL. itsmiensatnatni t pa J s u s l e y d ..—Ag reed to. Mr. BROTHERTON moved the third reading of this Bill. Mr. T. S. DUNCONIBE presented a petition, signed by 3795 of the inhabitants of Stockport, against the proposed Bill. The petition stated "That the Bill had been introduced into the House against the consent of the inhabitants. They had i always had the power of disposing of their own money , and this Bill would tak e away that power from them." The Hon. Member then said that the inhabitants of the borough re garded this 13111 as a gross . job. It was proposed to raise, provided thi s Act were passed, the sum of 100,090/. upon the security o f t h e rates. When that money was in the possession of the t own council, t h ey were to have the disposal of it without the c ontrou l of the rate payers, and the fact was, that a great part of it would go to benefit their own properties. The Member for Stockport was certainly between two fires. There wag the liberal town council on the one hand, and the rate-payer on the other, and in this dilemma the Hon. Member entrusted the Bill to the Hon. Gentleman who had moved it. The House in all affairs of Railway Bills, required that a majority of the share holders should guide the affairs of the Company, and in this case he would propose, that if a general meeting of the rate payers were called within the week, and they supported the Bill, he would withdraw all opposition. But they would not do that, for the Bill was not of a nature to bear the light, The effect of the Bil► would be to remove all controul from the hands of the ratepayers over the money raised on their rates. He would move that the Bill be read that day three months. The motion was then put. Mr. BROTHERTON said that the Hon. Member for Finsbury had characterized this 1 3ill as a gross job, and spoke as if he (Mr. Brotherton) were connected with it. He begged to say that he only moved the third reading in the absence of the Hon. Member for Stockport, and whether it was carried or not it was a nat ter of great indifference to him. The objects of the Bill were to purchase the manorial rights, in order to save the prople from oppression, to purchase the waterworks in order to supply the people with water, and ao establish baths and washhouses in the town. There was no opposition to the Bill in Commit tee, except by one man, who came from the Borough, very ill provided with money, in order to oppose one clause which allowed the Chartists to ring bells through the streets, they being too poor to advertise or placard their meetings. Of the numerous names names which appeared on the petition,—of the whole 3,793, he would venture to say that not 100 were ratepayers. If the Hon. Member had ever been in Stockport, he must have seen that there was not a town in England whirls required improvement more, and this Bill was brought in for the purpose of enabling the Town Council to give that improvement at the most economical rate. He said the Bill had received the unanimous as,ent of a re spectoble Committee ; he had heard no valid objections against it ; no clause was in it but such as was sanctioned by one Act of Parliament or another; and he was amazed that the Hon. Member should lend himself to the party who opposed it. Mr. ESCOTT said he had received a petition from a rate payer in Stockport, who mentioned that he had opposed the Bill because several clauses were in it opposed to the statute law of the land ; but that a compromise had been entered into, which, however, had not been ful filled. He (Mr. Escott ), therefore, begged an ex planation of this from the Hon. Member (Mr. Brothertor.), or if he were not prepared, that he would consent to the third reading being postponed. Mr. BROTHERTON did not feel himself prepared to enter into all the facts connected with the Bill. Mr. HUM E suggested that at least time should he given to inquire into the facts, but he thought th..t on looking at the nature of the Bill, that it would be better to postpone it for one year, till they could pass one Police Bill and one Paving Bill, to affect all places alike as well as a Bill affecting the sana tory conditions of towns. Sir R. INGLIS did not think a case was made out for pass ing this Bill. He could not agree with the clauses of the Bill ; they were suite wrong, and he should vote with the Hon. Member for Finsbury on the subject. Air. GREENE would oppose the further progress of the Bill; some of the clauses were highly objectionable. Mr. TIIORNELY applured of the principle of the Bill, and thought it would confer great advantages on the inhabit ants of the town if it were passed ; and he should, therefore, vote with his Hon. Friend in favour of the Bill. Mr. WAKLEY said the clauses in this Bill (276 in number) were of the most unusual, oppressive, and restrictive character, and he thought the better course would be to reject the Bill at once. Such a course would be better than post poning the consideration of the subject to a future day. Mr. HAW ES said he knew nothing of the Bill, and he thought it a great hardship to threw it out at once. Still there were clauses which bad been referred to, to which he could not agree. The best course he thought would be the postponement of the Bill for a few days. By that step all the valuable parts of the Bill might be retained, and the objection able portions removed. Mr. DUNCOMBE intimated that he would press his amend ment to a division. The gallery was then cleared for a division. etn After g for some time excluded, we were aga i n a d m i t t e d and found Mr. MILNER GIBSON speaking, who stated that he thought the throwing out of this Bill would prove a harsh measure. After a few words from Mr. WARBURTON it was agreed that the Bill should be read a third time this day fortnight. BISHOP OF JERUSALEM'S NATURALISATION BILL. Mr. HODSON moved the second reading of this Bill. He had stated the other evening that the party who was the object of this Bill was not resident in this country, or was he likely to be so, but nevertheless, from the contribution of the Queen to the fund for the support of the bishopric, he became entitled to the protection of the British authorities. Lord PALMERSTON thought it quite necessary, for the proper performance of hid duties and as the representative of British interests, that he should be a naturalised English sub ject. It would be an anomaly to suppose him to represent the interests of this country were he not a naturalised member of that country. He hoped the House would n..t, therefore, reject the Bill. Dr. BOWRIN G stated that the Hon. Member was quite in error in supposing that the naturalisation i f this individual would protect him from the power of the Ottomon Porte. He thought the Bill should not be allowed to pass as a matter of Course. Mr. HUTT considered that the right and privileges of British subjects should be lightly disposed of to persons who did not intend to reside in this country, or render themselves amenable to British law. Passing the present Bill would, in his opinion, be establishing a dangerous precedent. He thought the Bill should be referred to a Select Committee up stairs. THE FLEETWOOD, PRESTON, AND WEST RIDING JUNCTION RAILWAY. The Lords Amendments to this Bill were considered and agreed to. MATHYEN'S DIVORCE BILL. This Bill was read a second time. PEMBERTON'S OR GERVIS ESTATE BILL. This Bill was also read a second time. GUILDFORD, CHICHESTER, AND PORTSMOUTH RAILWAY (No. 2). The Lords' amendments to this Bill were considered and agreed to. HEMELL'S CHARITY ESTATE BILL. This Bill was read a third time and posed. NEWRY, WARRENPOINT, AND ROSTREVOR RAILWAY. This Bill was also read a third time and passed. ANDOVER CANAL NAVIGATION BILL 'I de report upon this Rhu ~as considered and agreed to. Sir GEORGE GREY said he would support the Bill, and he considered that it would be a most ungracious act to refuse the privilege demanded. The Bill was then read a second time. Several reports were then brought up, and were considered. MORTALITY IN THE ARMY. Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition from Coventry, stating that the petitioners had beard, with very deep regret, that a considerable mortality existed among the British troops quartered in the colonies, and they prayed the House to take measures that no more troops be sent out until arrangements had been made for proper quarters for the men. The petition was ordered to lie upon the table. OREGON—RATIFICATION OF THE 'I REATY WITH THE UNITED STATES. Lord PALMERSTON.— Sir, I have to lay upon the tabl e of the House a copy of the treaty between this country and the Government of the United States respecting the Oregon territory, the ratification of which were exchanged this day between myself and the aecredited agent of the United States. MILITARY FLOGGING. Dr.BOWRING gave notice that he would, en Monday next, ask a question of the Secretary for the Home Department, respecting the alleged death of a private soldier in the 7th Hussars, stationed at Hounslow. It was reported that the poor man had died in consequence of a mili tary ftoggin; for some breach __ of discipline. og tOMMONS INCLOSURE BILL. Lord CLI VE wished to know from the Right Hon. Gentle man the Secretary for the Home Department if he intended to bring forward any measure of this nature during the present session. CLEFT SITTLNG.) LATEST PRICES OF SHARES IN BANKS, ASSURANCE, AND OTHER COM PANIES' STOCK. From te Official List, PUBLISHED EVERY TUEADAY AND FRIDAY EVENING. LONDON, FRIDAY, JULY 17. JOINT-STOCIE s Dividend Amount 1 ' Name of Company. per of Paid. i Price Annum. Share. i I £ s. d. X s. d. I Australasia -••••• • • • 6/. per cent. 40 0 0 40 0 0 i 20; Britsh N orth American Si. per cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 I 4314 Commercial of London Si. per cent. 100 0 0 20 0 0 ! 23% ' Colonial.. .. •• • ...... 51. per cent. 100 0 0 25 0 0 i 16 I Louth' and Westminstr 61. per cent. 100 0 0 20 0 0 27 London Joint-Stock .• • 61. per cent. 50 0 0 10 0 0 14% ) Metropolitan - 25 0 0 710 0 Provincial of Ireland.. 81. per cent. 100 0 0 25 0 0 48 Ditto, New......• • • 8/. per cent. 10 0 0 10 0 0 18y National of Ireland .. Si. per cent. 50 0 0 20 0 0 20 • Nat. Provncial of Eng. 51. per cent. 100 0 0 35 0 0 30 Ditto, New. •••• • • • • 5/. per cent. 20 0 0 10 0 0 , Union of Australia •••• 61. p er cen t . 25 0 0 25 0 0 I 25% , Union of London. -.. 5/. per cent. , 50 0 0 10 0 0 i 11 INSURANCE COIYIPANIZS. Dividend - Amount Name of Company. per of Paid. Price Annum. Share. -- , - £ s. cl• i X s. U. Albion •• .• •• -••• • • • 31. 105 500 00'50 0 0 74 Alliance Brit. and For. 6 per cent. 100 0 0 11 0 0 19% Ditto Marine. ••• • • 6/. per cent, 100 0 0 50 0 5% Atlas 13s. 6d. pr eh. 50 0 0 s 0 0 16 British Commercial •• 7s. per share 50 0 0 50 0 7% Clericl,Med.& Gen. Life 51. per cent. 100 0 0 210 0 6% County .............. 31. 100 0 0 10 0 0 Crown .............. 10s. 50 0 0 5 0 0 - Eagle • 6s. 50 0 0 s 0 0 514 i Eng.& Scot. Lave .. • • 51. per cent. 50 0 0 2 0 0 2% European Life ••• • • • 5% per cent. 20 0 0 All paid. 20 Freemasons' ....... • • 51. per cent. 20 0 0 3 0 0 Glebe - 13 6 Guardian ............ 5/. per cent. 100 0 0 36 10 0 48 Imperial Fire ........ 6/. and bonus 500 0 0 50 0 0 240 Imperial Life ........ 12s. 100 0 0 10 0 0 163( Indemnity Marine.... 11. sh. & be. 100 0 0 5 13' 1 29 Law Life ••..• • - • . . it. ss. 100 0 0 10 0 0 52 Legal and General Life - 50 0 0 2 0 0 6,i London Fire • ....... 10s. 25 0 0 12 10 0 143¢ London Ship ........ 10s. 25 0 0 12 10 0 14% Marine • • •••••• • • • .. SI. per cent. 100 0 0 15 0 0 10% Med. Invlid&Gen.Life 431. per et. 50 0 0 2 0 0 3 National Lean Fund.. 51. per cent. 20 0 0 210 0 2% National Life • Palladium Life ...... • • 51. per cent. 50 0 0 2 0 0 21. Os. Phoenix 3/. p. ct. & bs. - - 205 Protector Life •• . • Provident Life -• • - Rock Life.. •••-• • • • • • 4s. 5 0 0 010 0 4 1 4 Royal Exchange Si. per cent. Stock. 1 - 198 Sun Fire • - - 210 Ditto Life • 1/. Os. - I 49 Universal Life CANALS. e Dividend! l Names of p., Dividend Names a 2.4 I Companies. f 4 per Price. Companies. per Price. it. Annum.' . c 2 Annum. 1 X X 1_ Ashtn & Oldh 97 51.5 e. p e 70 Monmouthsh 100 81. 1 160 Ashby-d-la-Z 113 4/. 70 Mntgomrysh 100 51. j 93 Barusley• •.. 160 121. 180 Macclesfield. 100 - 38 Basingstoke.. 100 - I - Neath •• •• • • 100 171. 340 Brknk&Abrgi 150 51. 85 Nottingham. 150 12/. - Cromford.... 100 141. 150 Peak Forest. 78 31. t 40 ' Dudley'. • .... 100 41. - Regent's ••• •33 1/. ss. 25 1 Derby .• •• •• 1001 61. 73 Rochdale.... 85 41. 77 Ellsmre&Chs 133 41. 55 Shropshire .• 125 81. - Eyewash •.• 100 321. 300 Somrset Coal 150 71 . 10s. 130 , . Forth & Clyd 100 41. - Do.LkFdSt 12 61. p. c. 1 1 1 GrandJunctnlloo 71. 953¢ Stffrd&Worc 140 281. 295 i Grand Unioniloo 1/. 105. - Shrewsbury.. 125 15/. 230 i Glamorgnsh .1172 13%1. 210 Stourbridge.. 145 201. 315 Gistr & Brklyiloo - - Strtfrdon Av 75 11. lOs . - • Grantham • • 'l5O 121. 100 Severn and 1 Huddersfield. 57 - - ' Wye Bald 26 1/. 85. 32 Kennt & Avu 39 7s. 6d. I 9% Trnt &Mr-) 8 Lancaster... 47 11. 10s. - sey, i 4 sh. 50 301. - ] Leeds&Livrp, 100 341. 520 Thains&Med 19 - _ Leicester -.1140 101. 105 IWorcstr &1 Leicstr &Nth 83 1 41. 60 Binning.S 78 21. 44 s Loughborogh 142, 701. 1 350 Wilts liz Elks] 67 11, ii co LIST OP SCOTTISH COMPANIES' PRICES. Name of Company. Bank of Scotland Royal Bank of Scotland British Linen Company Commercial Bank National Bank . .. Union Bank of Scotland Western Bank Dividend per North of Scotland Bank Clydesdale 8ank...... Eastern 8ank........ Caledonian Bank . Edinb.& Glasgow Bank (.3ity of Glasgow Bank . Scottish Union Ins. Co. Hercules Insurance Co. insur. Co. of Scotind.. North British Incur... Caledonian Fire Insur. Edinku rgh Life Insur. Edin. & Glasg. Railway Ditto, 1 .!, shares Edin., Leith, & Grantn Glasgw & Ayrshir Rail. Glasgw & Greenck Rail. fllsgw & Ganikirk Rail. Dundee & Arbroth Rail. Standard Life Asstirnce. Name of Company. Commercial East and West India... East Country L)ndon ............. St. Katharine • ....... Southampton • • Annum. 61. per cent. 61. per cent. 81. per cent. 61. per cent. 61. per cent. 73‘1. pr cent. 6/. per cent. 61. per cent. 61. per cent. 5/. per cent. 7341. pr cent. 61. per cert. 5/. per cent. 51. per cent. 71. per cent. 5/. per cent. 5341. pr cent. 10/. per cent. 61. per cent. 1/.los. pert. 7s. 6d. p. s. 71. per cent. 21. per cent. 51. per cent. 61. per cent. 51. per cent. Amount of Share. 8. d I 20 0 0 1100 0 0 110 0 0 200 0 0 100 0 0 100 0 0 50 0 0 12 10 0 20 0 0 50 0 0 25 0 0 25 0 0 25 0 0 50 0 0 DOCKS. Dividend Amount per of Paid. Price. Annum. share. X s. d. 31. per cent. Stock. 61. pr cent. Stock. 1/. per slt. 100 0 0 51. pr cent. I Stock. 5 per cent. Stock. 41. per cent. 50 0 0 s. d 50 0 0 AIPER,IAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, July 16. LORD GOUGH AND LORD HARDINGE'S AN NUITY BILL. The Marq u i s o f LANSDOWNE move d t h e bring ing up the report of this Bill, and in doing so prayed th a t t h e Bi ll b e restored to its original form. He reg re tt e d t h at t h e fi rst duty i mposed on him in his present situation should be the taking of the preset course, which might be construed into some thing not like due acknowledgment of the great services rendered by the illustrious individuals in question. He felt however, the highest sense of the great services rendered, still his duty to the public and to the other House of Parliament compelled him to ask them to reconsider the decision they had given, and to place the Bill in its original form. Before asking them to take that step, it would be neces sary for him to go into the circumstances that had led to the proposal of the grant in question. He was bound to say, looking at precedents under si milar circumstances, and looking at the substance of the Bill, it seemed to him that it did confer on these distinguished individuals ade quate compensation. This was his decided view after taking a glance at similar circumstances in the history of the country. He would only call the attention of the House to the fact that a Noble Duke in that House, after the battle of Talavera and a brilliant cam paign in Spain, was made a Viscount, and received a pension of 2,0001. a year. This was considered ade quate compensation for the great services rendered then, and therefore he thought the provisions of the pre sent Bill, as it originally stoood, was ample enough to meet the case of the distinguished individuals in question. If they were to make any alteration in the present Bill, they would be doing more for Lord Hardinge than had been done for those who had rendered the most re markable services, and obtained the most splendid ad vantages which had accrued to this country during the last war. According to the tenor of this Bill, it was arranged that the sum of 3,0001. a-year should be given to Lord Hardinge, and the sum of 2,0001. a-year to Lord Gough, over and above the sums which had already been voted by the East India Company, with a view to enable them to support the dignity of their peerage in that House. If this Bill were to be passed in its present shape, it would be giving more than had ever been given in any previous instance. In order to bring this matter properly before the House, he should remind their Lordships that the annuities, to which reference had been made, had been granted by the East India Company, and were in fact a part of the government of the Com pany. Thus then, in fact, there was the guarantee of the State. Now it was well known that as the East India Company could not guarantee anything without the authority of the Sovereign, the Noble Lords who were about to enter upon the enjoyment of those annuities would have the benefit of the Sovereign's authority; and the reply, therefore, to those who took a stand upon this Bill was, that there was only a temporary interest in the possession of those by whom the annui ties were granted, but he thought that what he had just stated was an assurance that that ground was invalid. In the case of Lord Colborne, for whose eminent services in Canada a pension had been granted by the North West Company, the same course had been observed. The object of granting that annuity was to enable him to maintain the dignity of his Peerage in that House, and no doubt had ever been started of the validity or the permanence of the grant. He (the Marquis of Lansdowne) had a long list before him of distinguished individuals upon whom similar grants for similar ser vices had been conferred. The first he had upon that list was the Marquis of Cornwallis, whom he had known in early life, and of whom he never could speak but with the utmost respect. Then there was the late Lord Wellesley, than whom no man had rendered more eminent services to his country in India. These, and all the rest, were rewarded just in the same manner ; so that there was little doubt of the continuance of the annuity, especially when it was recollected that if the interest of the East India Company was a contingent interest, the Crown held the reversion. Again, he must remind their Lordships that if this Bill were to be car ried in its present state, the amount conferred would surpass all the lavish expenditure of the last war, when the currency was depreciated, and, consequently, the total sums were of less value. And, further than this, he must also beg to remind them that if they refused to accede to this proposition, they would be entering into a contest with the other House of Parliament, which has, at all times, assumed the right of managing the public money. It would be expressing an opinion contrary to that House ; and, in fact, would be sending down an amended money Bill to that House, and thereby be likely to create an increased jealousy in that House, which was an evil at all times to be deprecated. There was no no doubt but that the representatives of the people were the proper persons to impose the taxes which the people had to pay, and to direct the way in which they ought to be levied. On this ve r y day he had received a letter from a distinguised lady regarding a person who was the subject of this conver sation, ,and who was alike distinguished by her own merits and for her ancient descent. This was Lady Emily Hardinge, now Viscountess llardinge. This lady stated that she and her family—and she was quite sure that their feelings were quite in consonance with those of Lord Hardinge himself—she stated that they were perfectly satisfied with the amount of the allow ance and the way in which it was conferred. She was the grand-daughter • of the first Lord Camden, than whom a more excellent lawyer and upright individual never existed. She was the niece also of the second Lord Camden, who renounced the per centage on the Exchequer, which he was granted in consideration of his public services. He (the Marquis of Lansdowne) hoped, therefore, their Lordships would rescind the vote which had been come to on this question on a former occasion, and vote for the measure brought in by the late Government, The Duke of RICHMOND opposed the motion. His opinion on the subject was unchanged. The Noble Marquis stated that he had received a letter from Lady Hardinge, in which she expressed a desire that the sub ject would not cause any division in their Lordships' House. Ile (the Duke of Richmond) could not, how ever, look upon it as a private question. It was on public grounds he opposed it. There were few prizes in the lot of a soldier's life, and the ability, energy, and courage displayed by their armies entitled the,o to the highest rewards the country could bestow. He would ask, did the grant of foreign lands to the Noble Duke, in consideration of his great services, weigh for a mo ment when the Parliament of this country rewarded his glorious achievements ? No, the country considered that it was deedly his debtor, notwithstanding all the rewards he received from foreign powers. He (the Duke of Richmond) was surprised at the conduct of his Noble Friend (the Marquis of Lansdowne) in taking the course he at present adopted, for three weeks ago when the Bill was read a second time he did not vote at all, but went below the woolsack. The Noble Marquis—also the Postmaster- General—would, he hoped, adopt the same course he did then, and vote against the measure -(Laughter)—and ho trusted the Noble Lord (the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster) would not go below the woolsack, but express his opinion unre servedly on the Bill. He saw no reason to alter the opinion ho formerly expressed, and he would firmly resist the motion of the Noble Marquis. The Earl of RIPON defended the course adopted by the late Government in regard to the present measure. In questions of this kind it was difficult to fix the precise amount to be affixed for such services as those which had' been rendered; still he thought enough had been named in the Bill. In the case of Lord Nelson, for the brilliant services he had rendered, the utmost sum granted was 3001. a-year. In other cases the same principles of economy had been observed. It was apainf o u v i e c r i n r m eurli nt stance to interfere w ith a f ee li ng o f generosity, but- he thought it was th e duty of the Government to see that no un d ue app li cat i on of the publice mo r n d e i y n g w e t,s he was Winithlnrdegiaardthteo representative the caseo Lord ord of the East India Company, and had advantages and emo luments such as did not fall within the reach of those who held office unde r th e Crown. Thecompany had, on many occasions, conferred great advantages_ on , those office who held under th em. Lord Clancarty, , Lord Cornwallis, and other Governors -General of India had received pensions and large grants of money. Lord Hastings received no less a sum than 60,0001., and his son had also been treated with great liberality. Lord Wellesley had also been treated in a similar spirit. The grant proposed by th e company in the present instance ryas said to be offered independent of the execu tive and the Legislature, and that that grant should not be allowed to regulate the one proposed by Parliament. But this was not the fact. The Government was virtually a party to the act of the company, as the latter held its charter under the .Parlia ment of the co u nt r y, an d conducted its operations in harmony with it. If they gave reins to their generosity they would involve themselves in continual difficulties. They ought to deal as liberall: as the circumstances would warrant, but nothing more; and he was per suaded, that if a grant of 8,0002 a year was allowed to Lord Gough, it would be the means of seri ous incon venience in future, when similar cases were to be con sidered. From all precedents, and judging from the circumstances of the case, the late Government con sidered they could not go further than the provisions Paid. X a. d 100 0 0 160 0 0 100 0 0 100 0 0 10 0 0 50 0 0 50 0 0 5 0 0 10 0 0 10 0 0 2 10 0 5 0 0 10 0 0 1 0 0 10 0 0 All paid. 10 0 0 10 0 0 12 10 0 50 0 0 All paid. 20 0 0 All paid. All paid. All paid. All paid. 2 10 0 Price 245. 9d 14% 156 75 16 3 4 404 2 37 113 103}4 27fi contained in the Bill as it originally stood. He did no t wish to cast th e l east reflection on the distinguished in dividuals in question, as he felt it a high honour to have been connected in office with the Government under which such great men had achieved their brilliant vie tori, s; still he was bound to act in the way he now proposed. Lord BROUGHAM said he had not spoken on the previous occasion, when the Bill was discussed, but since then he had carefully considered the question, and be must on the present occasion vote against the amend inept which had been proposed. As he understood the question, the real matter was the propriety of granting, sufficient sums to the distinguished individuals in slue s ; tion, in order to enable them to maintain with dignity the rank of peerage which had been conferred on thetu• Much as had been said on the other side, this was the real point they s h ou ld k eep i n view, and the wording the preamble of the Bill showed that suc h was the original intention of its introductio ° ,i He rrgued, th a t t h e consequence of this doctrine wou ld be, that where a peerage was conferred on a distin guish( d military officer, that House would make inquiry into his private fortune. He did not see what the G o c i vernment had to d o w i t h t h e E ast I nd i a Company Ole. their gra n t s ; f or although he admitted that t h e " grants could not pass without the sanction of Parliai ment, still th at did not make their money the money of the Government, or of the public ; the money if 11 f bestowed in th a t way wou l d remain in the treasury ° the Corporation, and never would pass into the coffers of the Exchequer. Ile said it was difficult to limit tlO reward for military services. Yet it might be asked, sa!: ther 5,C00/. was not eno ug h f or L or d H ar di nge ? but ha mist: eted, that he had before this, seen 2,000/. and re ribbons given to men for services which, in after yea r , if their fame ever should pass into after yea r. ' would make men ra i se t h e i r hands in wonder, tb° so illiberal a reward had been bestowed on the brilliant actions of Sir Henry Hardin ee. As for the constier tional question, he agreed with the Noble Lord (Lana' dowse) that it would b e b e tt er f ar t h at t h e pr i v il eg es ° A the people's representativ es s h ou ld b e l e f t unques tioli by them, and uninterfe re d w i t h. B ut h e contended, ,%; the privileges of their Iscrdships' House, that their n Lordships had a right t o exerc i se t h e i r j u d gmen t on the Bills sent up from th e H ouse o f C ommons, an d we re no t reje ct to swallow either th e w h o l e Bill untouc h e d , or to re2f it altogeth er . Th e l etter fr om the Noble Lady, "Inca had been int ro d uce d b y t h e Noble Earl, affecting it, powerful as it was, had just an opposite effect on hi mir:d, from that which it seemed to have produced on t he Noble Earl's. Perhaps the letter might have been petted from the grand-daughter of Lord Camden, a nd the daughter of the late Marquis, but he contended that from a sense of justice to Lord Hardinge, stimulated by the generous and disi n t eres t e d con d uct o f the N°l)e Lady whose letter h a d b een a ll u d e d to, t h e i r Lordsbil), ought to deal liberally in this case. The Duke of WELLINGTON said he had been in the Government when this Bill was introduced into It, House, and, therefore, he begged to submit a few ° d, servations to their Lordships. He begged their Lrie v , ships to recollect that it was a money Bill sent up fry the Commons, proposing a grant made under a stens"; order of that House, and founded upon a message f,r the Crown. He begged his Noble and Learned Fried (Lord Brougham) to remark the exactness of the w°, ih of the message, which very words had been engrossenee the preamble of the Bill. Her Majesty stated that s o P ft desired to make provision for Lord Hardinge, in still ie of the dignity which had been conferred on him, a n m a consideration o f hi s great serv i ces. He said the 11°,1,-e of Com mons h a d passed this Bill at the suggestion of Le, Crown. N ow t hi s House had the same Bill fore it. It was an understanding between the t " o t Houses that th e i r L or d s hi ps ' House should alter a money Bill, yet this House proceeded to do s° ' a but he defied th e N o bl e an d Learned Lord to prod°e c one instance of thus increasing a grant after it had CO t from the oth e r H ouse . Th e consequence wou ld be tS ob the Bill would be lost. He acknowledged the Ile merit of the Noble Lo r d' s serv i ces i n t h e field, and oe Majesty had conferr e d th e d ign i ty o f t h e peerage lir him, a reward which h a d b een rece i ve d w i t h apPr° ed tion by the country. He said the Noble and Learn ih Lord asked for instances, and he could give him 00e s le which the poverty of a Noble Lord was made thes e , o basis of provisi on . H e wou ld not g i ve the 119 l Another case he re co ll ec t e d, i n w hi c h i t was suPr bat that the Peer had sufficient to support his dignirP it was found afterwards that he had not, and prcrsis er was made for him on that acco an t. H e wou ld n ot r el . de s tion the name. Ho begged th e i r L or d s hi ps to con sir e what would be the eff ec t o f l eav i ng t h is part i cu l a r r u le to: caprice or to c h ance w h a t e ff ect it w° ht have on th e m i n d o f m ili tary men who oer, have conferred on them this expensive b° ll o - 0 01, It appeared that the sum o f 5,0001. a -y ear , an d 2 J a-year were to be grant e d t o Lord Hardi nge a nd far Gough, respectively, by the East India Company, the purpose of maintaining the dignity of their Poel Fri in that House. He quite agreed with his Noble -Tr il l c o the late President of the Board of Control, that 'hest grants were to be made out of the funds of the a it India Company, with the consent of her Majesty, 6 4 , 11 be. was necessary for her Majesty to give her consen; pre' fore any such grant could become valid. It was, t "," s sa „ fore, evident th at i t was only as servants of the of that Minister s cou ld take any notice of the ruak e in ' s er the grant, b ut i t was equally evident that as suc h vents they could not do otherwise than take notice 2 „a He had a d v i se d her Majesty to give her consent' Act such being the case, they had agreed to bririg, A in r an JO of Parliament for that purpose, and he wow , . e e in e se s e their Lordships that in the event or th e 5 111 s '7A O altered in that House, there was a possibility that fe d, annuities might be lost altogether ; and he intrea fo r therefore, their Lordships, for the sake of the aro/a l io the sake of the offic ers , an d f or t h e sa k e o f t h e ir faT e l o se —for it should be remembered that the position of w o e families depended upon their vote that night— to con the decision at which the other House had arrived• a to The Marquis of CLANRICARDE felt that be lii/ e, justify himself for th is votes which he was ab o ut to s t ele for he had, he must confess, changed his principles . t he had certainly voted in opposition to the ennui* . vs p other night, but he had done so without sufficient ° o r deration, and without once reading the Bill which c se, tamed the clause, w hi c h i t was now desirable to eAr" s o and which his; Noble Friend (Lord Monteagle) strongly inveighed against. It now appeared 03 0 3 that this grant must have the consent of the Crown , i ; re' there was t h e further consideration that arose with ar gard to the p os i t i on of the Government, and the decoct stance still more important as regarded this debate ;' t he these grant s were not made so much as rewards fa i l l e services which h a d b een rendered as to enable os; Noble persons en whom they were conferred to a ti P e ocl the dignity of the Peerages which had been best` i t to upon th em . I t should be observed that the grant of Lord Hardi nge was limited to his own life and t,usegh his two su ccee di ng heirs male, while that of Lord iliot was limited to his own life alone. The Noble and 00j Duke on the cross -b enc h es had rightly reminded tbCo that as it was the duty and the privilege of the Ilon s( j 1 eill Commons to make grants of public money, if this d or were altered at all the an nu iti es m i g h t b e a l to ge!,,d, lost to the noble persons f or w h om t h ey were i n ters and should, therefore, vote with his Noble Friend. s e- The Earl of GALLOWAY was surprised at the 0 3, tuperation of a N o ble L or d connecte d w i t h Ireli i h ed not now in his place, th e o th er n i g ht, a l t h oug h he, oh je abstained from mov i ng th e amen d ment. Lik e t h e Marquis, he had c ome d own t h e ot h er d ay i gn oran i t ch e the clause which regulated these annuities, and _ s i i s anxious to justify himself from the c h arge of ine°" it ee tency. But seeing that not o nly th e N o bl e Duke `.., 0 0 Duke of Welli ng t on ), w h o h a d spo k en f rom t he T' o f benches, but that other members of the Governmen t, o f which he was a member, and also several member s it the prese n t G overnment were i nduced to alter t e r f mode of proce e di ng , b e f e l t t h at, t h ough j ust eontrsiio to the vote which h e h a d prev i ously given, he shags with the N o bl e M arqu i s (the Marquis of 1.4- downe) on the present occasion. The Earl of WICKLOW quite agreed with the °of Marquis, the Postmaster-General (the Marqui s Os Clanricarde), that this vote ought to be sustained.ee could not forg e t th at t h e N o b le Lord, from wb° l33 t propositio n h a d or i g i nally emanated, had refrained 4,001 putting the amendment himself, but had expressed a the sire that some other Noble Lord of greater weight t o t he House would put it to the House. Then up junoP s io es Noble Duke on the cross benches (the Duke of n oe s mond), and put the vote to the House, and thus setc:: on the Noble Baron's vote. Truly he believed that n n u_ et was more surprised at the effect of his own eloque u t.o than was the Noble Baron himself ; nor any one,, ii P t , believed now, that more regretted it. Seeing, then, !" bc change of parties in the country, and the change in the Ministry, and the possibility which existed, that in be event of their not acceding to the proposition of t v thought o tb N t hs be endangered, Noble eb votenl n e doabnlwegt Marquis ehpwri persons us (Lansdowne),,ol would seeb be should raoduwhomgdimprudenteen certainly theyat t h iahn a nel t d. theannuities oigemtrohepeiornli o intendedr p o t s t aio r o go r it 0: to the decisi on w hi ch had been taken on thteivecefnlooir}lngsae‘deb°e•ret,°; casion, and he ca ll e d on them to support the Bill in original form. l Of After a few wor d s of explanation from the Marqui s - LANSDOWNE , The Duk e of RICHMOND said he must deny tb° imputation that he had ever said anything reflecting the chara c t er o f L or d H ar di nge. W hat he stated w e d that Gov ernmen t s h ou ld ta k e care to prevent a dieitee command in India in future, and to take care that to e Governor• General should not be second i n comple t e s He must say in taking th e course h e did on th e Ares or Bill, he was not in the least degree actuated by part,' political considerations.—(Hear, hear.) e e o The Earl of GALLOWAY explained, th a t h e had intention of attributing any such moti ves to t he N° Duke (the Duke of Richmond). The gallery was then cleared for a division, when th ere appeared— For the amendment (restoring the Bill) 47 Against it lB Majority for the Government ....... 29 The report was then brought up and received. u se Several Bills were advanced a stage, and the . 11 ° adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 16. MINISTERIAL POLICY. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that he took the libertl,4 few evenings ago to put a question to the Noble Lord to the principles upon which the Government was ° do conducted. Th a t ques ti on h a d exc i te d i rr i tat i on in tie Noble Lo r d' s mind, but it was a question which & a , country would r equ i re t o h ave answere d. L e t O le g look at the state of the House at present. N° b oo knew where to sit.—(Laughter.) Sitting on ba d same side with the Noble Lord were those wh° t hii hitherto been his bitt eres t enem i es . Th e reason 0' - was, as he understood, th a t th e y h a d b een informed t" none but the extremes would be dissatisfied. required explanation. Every Prime Minister in e n c le4 into office had stated the principles on which ho WO'