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ciati° ns - Might have reasoned on the subject, and .referred to a period when those with whom he . . t tsually acted were in the confidence of his Majes j He then Might have Stated that the Earl of ../.., rs ande r d a l e was sent to Paris to negociate ; that parte was on the eve of his departure for h ras 'la_, - that, he left the Noble Lord at Paris, li ended his army, and the negociation terminated, the Hon. Gentleman had reasoned neon the polio of openin g negot i a ti ons for. peace, he Wright, .lay reference to the period of. the NOble ; rd's journey to Paris, have obtained so much 'illustration of the policy of the measure. With , ‘ s Pect, however, to .the present proposition,. the French Government had not stated their exact meaning. In the answer, his Majesty% Go 'eminent had distinctly stated their readineSs to Iteeeile to treat on all. the other propositions. con tainedin the letter of the French Minister, pro 'lLled that the meaning of the whole Of the letter w as compl e t e l y understood, and that the treaty ''null be entered into with safety to the allied in terest. But what - did this prOposition state ? the !visi t to treat, and the declared basis of the treaty was the recognition, by England, of the dynasty. of. Spain. What dynasty was meant Undoubt !'lly that of Joseph, King of Spain. To have treated upon such a basis would have been con trary to the stipulations, which in honour and lood faith bound this country to the Government The Honouralsle Gentleman, by de 'ring the acceptance of the proposition unex- Plained by the French Government, would con - 1 r 15 t e , l his Maj esty ' s Mi n i sters to reco g n i se t wo au thorities in Sp a i n , name l y, F er di nan d t h e S even th, ' J nSeph Buon a p ar t e . Vi ew ing the negociation . th a questi on • o f po li cy, did h e mean to contend that er e - was any thi ng i n th e State of Russia, Spain, r Portugal, to authorise the throwing loose the t e ' estian ? When the alliance with Spain 'vas Pon the basis, that the Sovereign authority was re es ted in one Ho use, an d t h e propos i t i on was f or G gnizing . - it in another, would it redound to t he e t h onour of the British charlcter ? Would it i ti se that c h aracter in the estithation of the world, ° r S tat esman-like qualities, to tell the people of b P ai n , " We treat for peace upon the recognition ti t ," I lelv dynasty i" Would not such conduct be q t , i , ° g the apple of discord to Spain, when the ii,„ - `, l °n was one which could only be left 'for the li e 'slon of the Government Of that 'country ? The ta°nourable Gentleman had.. talked too. of the l ie rdi ness in sendiog out Lord .Cathcart. - But vas s ure the Emperor of Russia, pending the.nego- C 4ti°° s virith France, was inclined to have' Lord ii'C'theart The Noble:Lord condemned that.po ij,. as an unwise one, which was continually di pea to : try th e enem y w ith negoCiations for tlid aee ' He denied that the answer was not can tle and frank, and such as was liable to be consi vereti wa.nting'in terms of conciliation. The thrY a dmission of the Honourable Gentleman that k ti e Proposition with respect to the new dynasty, rrt that it should be in the person erf Joseph 4 0 1 „" a Parte, w as com pli m e n t a ry to Ministers, by 1 1 ,r ut ing to th em a f ores i g ht. , At the same time a., w as disposed to admit that Joseph could not Th' a 'n W i th out t h e :B r i t i s h arms were w i t hd rawn . e great objection to the withdrawi of the ‘ l,l 1 0 4 es from tile Peninsula was, that it would tend chill the exertions of Russia, and degrade the w :tact er au. A reputatiOn Of this-country. 'Unless 4,, we re prepared to allow the dynasty, any ar-. 40d geutent of a ,pacific nature would be illusory 11 dangerous to the interests of the country.-- 44 ' trusted that the country would not collect. frOm tin' Part of the -proceedings that Ministers were A , w r i llil l s to treat for peace. ' r • tinTcsuNsost recommended, Oat every op pa rtunity should be affordedto obtain peace. He ttl n egyriz e d t h e conduct of the Russians, and,. th a ught that if proper steps-had not been taken by t ,: British Government torevent the war be bi„een France a n d R us si a , Ministers were culpa gr. Other effo r t s h e th oug ht might be made with h . e at effect, if w e did no t l o s e opportunities.. He pt" s erry that the p a p ers did not give the Em- Li °r of France hi s titl e , an d expressed his opi ct°, that no Conqueror of ancient or modern. e was more deserving power than the Emperor A ,anee orl 3 . had committed fewer outrages.— - was the greatest Conqueror that ever ap tkitred, so perhaps he had' more to answer for ; h e ont spoke : here of private atrocities, which il be less charged upon him, he would repeat ' tie t uan upon any ot h er C onqu e ror . H e thought t ut lv ere yet . c a p a bl e o f ' ma ki ng a gigantic effort ; not in th e wa y i n w hi c h th e war was at pre tent carried on. L O t 0 rd.CA STLEREAGH said, that so far from en _ og Russia, the language held out to her of t his Government was that of precaution, not I va e xeitem ent ; butlie thought that when Russia to s disposed to make an effort, we Should not be octant to assist. , CANNING Observed, that the - state of the Ous e , the period of the Session, and the clear sess of the question itself, would haVe been suffi tiont to disincline him from-making any observa- Ish n . s : if it 'were not for 'sonic strong stimuli with t. clt Gentlemen sought to change the disposi befit of the House. 'lt had been his intention, o ° re he sat doWn, to put a question to'Alini.sters t a point alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman who Pok • last• ll4, • The question, however., had been sa ti y anticipated by the statement of the tx °le Lord ; he was indeed quite sure, before the qt l3 ' al 'ation that this country could never have ip er e(' its policy so far from the time 'that he was tr ia : 3ll lee, as to induce a Power, situated like, 1 10 ` of Russia, to commit herself to a .rash and tl ia P f e less contest with Buonaparte. He was sure V , : it was our po li cy. now , as it was w h en h e b e s in the Government, rather to inculcate for aranee, as a means of continuing the old PoWers, t f Z l• rder th a t they thightexist as so many pledges tv e ," e future t ranqui lity o f the world; and that 11 1 , 1 : of sh ou ld b e ma d e , an d every disposition siOkated, which could operate against the pos liincie effects of the system adopted by that most %v as a nd merciful of conquerors- 7 -(a laugh) . He , t , i ' a re that the Government of . thisi country .4 11 t ,T not only use the language of caution to \v ar ta, but would tell her, that to engage in a Hess ° P° ll the principle of the old wars was mad tioo ',and unl ess it cou ld b e ma de completely.na ona', the result* must be disappointment. !This 44 i -t rY had n o t rendereditself responsible by 'its ee, and he hoped it would not render itself PRICE OF STOCKS YESTERDAY. Bank Stock, 2101 India Bunt, 10s. 11s. dis. Navy 5 per'Cent. 87iii - South Sea Stock, 60f • ' Irish s,per Cent. ' • Excheq. Bills,l. per clay, 4s. 4 pvr Cent. 73 72 73{ , 'es. dis. 3.per Cent. Red. 56iii Ditto, 34d. per day, 3s. Is. pr. :3 per t,:ent. Cons. 56ial Oumium, 1i 2 pr. -. Bank L. Ann. 15,1-16th i 1-16 Imperial 3 per Cent. 55a India Steck, Cons. for Opening, 67411 • FRO THE LONDON GAZETTE, SLILY 21. "(VAR DEPARTMENT - . Dqivning-street, July 20, 1812. Dispatches of which the following are Extracts, and a Copy, have been this day received at Lord Bithurst's Office, ad dressed to the Earl of Liveriimil, by General Earl of lington, dated 25th and BOtliof June 1812. Salamanca, June 25 ) 1812► - - - - - - Marshal Marmont collectedhis army on the Douro between the 16th and 19th inst. with the excep tion of General Bonnet's division, which 1 believe is still in 4 the Asturias, - and some small garrisons, and he Moved forwarr from Puente Subneo on the 20th. - 1 formed the allied army, with - the ex ception of the troops engaged in the operations against the forts in Salanaanca, on the heights ex tending from the neighbourhood of Villares to Morisco ; and the advaheed posts of . the cavalry and infantry retired upon the army in goOd order, and With Out material loss. The enemy remained in our front on that night and during the 21st, and during that night they established a post on our right flank, the possession of which by them deprived us .of an advantage. which might even-_ tually be of importance, .\ I therefore 'requested Lieutenant-General Sir Thomas Graham to attack them in die post on the 22d, with the troops on the right: which he did with those of the 7th division, which were the reserve of the right, under the command of Ma jor-General HOp.e and Major=General de Berne witz. The enemy were driven from the ground ilme `diately with considerable loss : our troops con ducted themselves remarkably well in this affair, which took place in the view of every man of fioth armies. The enemy retired during that night ; and on the following eveui ng,they posted themselves with their right on the heights near Cabesa Vellesa, and their left on the TOrmes at Iluertii; their centre, at Aldea Rubia. ;The object of the enemy in this •movement being to; endeavour to communicate with the garrisons in the forts of Salamanca by, the left of the Tormes, I changed the front of the army, and placed the right at St:Martha, where there is a ford over the Tonnes, and the b. avanc ed posts at Aldea Lingua. . 1 sent Major 7 Genetal BOck's brigade - of heavy Dragoons across the Tormes, in order to observe the passages of the river. The enemy crossed the Tormes at Huerta.about two o'clock of the morning of the 24th, in consi derable numbers of cavalry, infantry, -and..artil--; lery; and there was every appearance of'4"ge neral movement in that direction. The conduci of Major-General BoCli.'s Dragoons was conspi cuously good upon this occasion ; they, did every • thing in their power to make known the, enemy's movement, and opposed their 'advance vigorously, under many disadvantages, in order to atforatime for the dispositions necessary to :be made: on - the occasion. AS / soon as I Was_ certain that the enetiiy had crossed the Tormes,. I requested Lieut. Oen. Sir T: Graham to•eross that river with the Ist and 7th divisions ; and I sent offer Major-General Le-Mar chant's brigade of cavalry, and I concentrated the remainder of the army. between Morisco and,Ca •brerizas, keeping the advanced pOsts still at "Al den Lingua. At about noon the enemy advanced ar far as Calvarissa de Abaxo ; but, observing the disposition made for their reception, they retired , again in the afterno6n to cross the Tonnes to fluerta ; and they have since reinaiped in the po sition,which they occupied on the 23d. - • The siege of these forts has not 'advanced with the rapidity which I expected ; although froth the pains taken, and the expence incurred in their thratinetiOn, I was' prepared to meet with some difficulties, and provided an equipment according -1y; the diffieultieS are of a formidable nature, and the forts, - three in number, each defending the other, are very strong, although -not of a regular construction. We have breaches .open in the convent of St. Vincente, WhiCh is the principahwork ; pmt these cannot, be attacked in security till we shall have possession of fort St. Cayetano. Major-General Clinton made an attbnkpt to carry'that place by storm, on the night_of the 23d instant, the gorge having been considerably 'damaged by. the tire of our artillery.; This attempt unfortnnately.failed, and I am concerned to add, that Major-Ge nerahßowes Was killed. He was so eager for the success of the enterprise; that he had gone for ward with the storming party, which consisted of a part of his brigade,. and was wounded ; and after . his first wound was, dressed, he returned again ko the attack, and received a second wound which illed him. Our loss in officers and men was like wise considerable.. By a letter from Lieutenant-General Sir R. HUI, of the 22d, I learn that .General Dropet had, been considerably reinforced from Andahtsia, since the defeat of General Ballasteros at Bornos; iu the beginning of the month, and had advanced as, far as Almendralejo and Villa Franca ;, and Lieut.-:' General. Sir R. Hill had concentrated his troops. General Ballasteros •had sustained a severe los's, in his action at Bornosi on the Ist of .11,nie; ' and I understand' that he retired to the neighbour hood of Gibraltar. • In the North, General Santinildes, under the direction of- General Castanos, haYinvested 3-Is torga with the. Gallician army, and is_ about to attack that place ; in which operation I. imagine, that he cannot be interrupted. The Guerillas are in unmolested possession of all parts of the country, and the. enemy's. weak and scattered garrisons are cut off from all com munication with each other, or with the country.l Y. s. I inclose a return of the killed, N . vounded, and missing, from the I.6th to the 24th instant inclusive, (for which see our Pg.per of yesterday). Puente la Pena, June 30, 1812. The ammunition to enable us to carry on the attack of the forts having arrived at Salamanca in the afternoon of the 26th, the fire was immediate ly recomdnenced upon 'the gorge of the redoubt of it. Cayetano, in which a practicable breach was effected at about ten o'clock .on the 'morning' of the 27th, and we had succeeded nearly about the same time in setting fire to the buildings in the large fort of St. Vincente, by the fire from which-the proach to St. Cayetano by its gorge was defended. Being at Salanianca at thi# moment, I gave di, re'cliOns• that the forts of St, Cayetano and La Merced Should be stormed; but some little dcla• , occurred, in consequence .of the• Commanding Officers of those forts in. the first instances and afterwards the Commanding-Officer of St.-.Vin tente having- expreSsed a desire to capitulate after the lapse of a certain number of hours. As it Was obvtous that these :propositions were made in order to gait's , time, till the fire of St. Vincente should ,be extinguished, I raliSed to listen to any terms, unless the forts should be instantlysurrendered ; and having found that the Commanding Officer of St. Cayetano, who was the first to offer to surrender, was, entirely de pendent upon the . Governor Of St. Vincen,te, and could not venture to carry into execution thoca pitulation which- he had offered ,to make, I . gas'e directions that this fort and That of La ,liercQd might be stormed forthwith. -. Thesooperations were effected in the most gal lant manner by detachments. of the Gth division, under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel Davis, of the 36th regiment,- under thedirection of Major General Clinton. - The trOopsentere;l the fort of St. Cayetano by the gorge; arid escaladed that of La Merced ; and I am happy to add that 0n,.. loss was but The Gorenior of St. Vincente then'sent out a flag to notify : the surrender of that fOrt on, Or terms I had offered hire; vii.• the garrison march out with the honours of. war.;_ to, be pri soners of . war ;,.and the officers -to retain .their peisonal Military baggage, and the soldiers' their knapsacks ; anduotwithanding that the 9th regi ment of qacadores had actually -stormed one of the outworks of St. Vineententwere- in possc4- sioir 'of it, 1 .deemed it , expedient. to accept the fort, by capitulatioD on those terms,. and to stop the attack. „ . _ I have already informed your thlt 11lajor-Generale Clinton commanded the attack -against these forts, which was carded on with great vigour and ability ; and .he'mentions' in -Strong terms of commendation, the Conduct of the General Officers, _Officers, and troops einployed under his command, 'particularly Colonel. Hinde, of the 32d,. Lieutenant-Colonel Davies of the 36th, Captain Owen, of 61st, Brigade-Mkj-Or Hobart, and Ensign Newton, of the 32d regi giment,..who diStingnished himself 'in the attack of the night of the 23d. inst. and volunteered lead the advanced party in the attack of the 27th. He likeWise.merqions, in strong terms, Lieut..- Colonel May; - who commanded the artillery under the direction of Lientenant,Colonel Framingham, andthe Officers and soldiers .of the Royal Portu -guese artillery under' his command ; 'Lieutenant- COlonel Burgdyne, Lieutenant-Reid, and the Of ficers of the Royal Engineers _' • and Major Thompr -son, of the 74th regiment, who 'acted as an -engi ,neer during tilese operations. The enemy Ithd been employed for nearly three -years in Constructing these works,• but with in creased activity for the last eight or nine Months . . A large exp - nce had been incurred ; and these works:, sufficiently garrisoned by about 800 men. 'and armed with thirty pieces. of artillery, were of a nature to render it quite irupossible" to take 'them, excepting by a, regular attack ; and it' wag obvious that'llie eneiny relied upon their strength, .Aild upon their being sufficiently garrisoned and armed, as they had left in St. Vincente large depots of clothing and military stores of every de scription. I was mistaken in my estimate of the extent of the means which would 'be necessary to subdue these foils ; andl was obliged to send to the,rea for a fresh supply of ammunition ; this necesity occasioned "a delay of six days. The enemy withdrew their garrison from Alba de Tormes as soon as they heard of the fall of the forts of Sala manca. -The' operations against the Sorts of Salamanca were carried on' in sight of Marshal Marmout's army, which remained in its poSition, with the right' at Cabeza Vellosa, and the left-at Huerta, till the night of the 27th ingtantovhen they brol. e up, and retired in three columns towards the river Douro ; one of them directing its march upon Toro; and the others upon Tordesillas. .The al lied army broke up the following day, and arc this day encamped upon Guarena. By accounts from Lstremadura of the 26th inst. 'it appears that the enemy still continued in the positions which they had occupied in Extremadura. I have not yet heard that General Santocildes has commenced his attack, upon Astorga. General Cabiera is at Benevente with his division; and I understand there are - Spanish troops in Leon. I have received no late intelligence from the South. I inclose a return of the killed and wounded of the- army since my last dispatch, and a return of the prisoners taken in the forts of Salamanca. - -Return of Killed, Wounded, and Missing of the Anny under the Command of his Excellency General the Earl of Wel .lington; K.B. in the Siege of the Forts of St. Vincente, St. 'Cayetano, and La Merced, at Salamanca, from the 25th to the' 27th July, 1812, inclusive. General Total of British and Portuguese Loss-,4 ensign, 4 rank and,file, killed ; 1 lieutenant, 19 rank and file, wounded. Names of Officers killed aild wounded.-32d Foot, Ensign Fitzgerald; killed. 1 lth Foot, Lieilt. Gethen, slightly wounded. - (Sighed) JOHN WATERS, Lieut. Col. and A. A. G. Return of Killed, Wounded, and Missing of the Army unit. - T ' thee Command 'of his Excellency General the Earl of Wel lington K. B. in severalaffairs with the Enemy, froth the 23a to the P..lsth June, 1812, both - days inclusive. General Total-4 rank and file, 7 horses, killed; 2 rank and file, 6 hyrses, wounded ; 5 rank and - filetnissing. (Signed) JOHN WATERS, Lieut. Col. and A. A. G. General Total British Loss, from the 16th to the 27th of June, • 1812, inclusive. KILLED-.-2 C4taiDS, 3 Lieutenants, l'Ensign, 5 serjeants, 1 - drumther, 98 rank and. file, 28 horses-. Wou N DED-i4 General Staff,l- Lieutenarit-Colithel, 1, Major, 8 Captains, 10 Lieutenants, 4 Ensigns, 14 serjeants; 7 drum mers, 317-rank and file, 51 horses. • Mtssix . n-2 Lieutenants, 11 rank and file, 5 horses. General Total Portuguese Loss, from the 16th to the 27th of June, 1812, inclusive. KILLED-5 rank and file. -- WouNDEO-2 Captains, 1 Ensign, 16 rank and file. General Total British and Portuguese Loss, from the 16th to the 27th of June; 1812, inclusive. . KILLED-2 Captains, 3 Lieutenants, 1 Ensign, 5 serjeants,•l drummer, 103 rank and file, 28 horses. WouNDED—.I General Staff, '1 Lieutenant-Colonel, .1 - jor, 10 Captains, 10 Lieutenants, 5 Ensigns, 14 serjeants, drummers, 833 ranktind file. . Missixo-2 Lieutenants, 11 rank and file : 5 horses. _ RetUrn of Priseuers taken in the Forts of St. Vincente, St. C:ayetano, and La Merced, at ;Salamanca, on the V:h June, 1812. Total-1 Governor, 15 Captains, 12 Lieutenants, 660 non , - commissioned officers : and; privatesir: 10 civil branch, s ser *ants, • not soliers. Grand total-706. (Signed) ' JOHN WATERS, Li.eut4ol. and A. A. Gen. • very responsible by Withholding supplies. An 'Hon. Gentleman on the :other side :(yr. Whit bread) appeared to have set tip - the best defence - for this Governfiient, by contrasting it With' the conduct of France. It 'seemed that in fhe Peace of Amiens., and all the negocialiotif in which he :was engaged, Buonaparte was actuated by a cere regard for the independence of nations. The Hon. Gentleniar Who - spoke last had gone so far as to state ; that' of all eonquerors he had commit-, ted thefewest crimes. —(A loud laugh.) 'The ex travagance of the proposition was stifient to defeat it, ifit was not dangerous to morality. An opinion.had, once prevailed that -an usurper had no, rights *Melt could be binding upon society ; but it remained for. the present age to crown the unhalloWed conqueror, and teach him to look not only without fear to posterity, but to den and ap plause. and admiration from his contemporaries themselves. Such a sentiment was dangerous be yond the interest of the, present debate ; itcwas . new to the House and to the Country, nor had it ever been hazarded by any historian of .upstart power. No'lover of liberty had ever advanced it, satisfied as he must be that the best security against oppression, was to arm even with an im potent hand the minds'of mankind against 'those infringers of their just rights, and lay up in the present exasperation the materials of future pu nishment._ He answered the comparison insti, tuted between Louis the . 14th and Buonaparte, and the application made of some transactions its that reign to the policy and conduct of Buona parte. For his part, he should have supposed that if all the terms submitted to this country by France were terms of aggrandisement, and that there was but one of dishonour, the country should make its stand on that till the point of honour was determined. Such was the conduct of Go vernment. What then did the Hon. 'Gentleman find fault with It seemed rather extraordinary that those Gentlemen who thought we were al ways in the wrong, and that 'Buonaparte was al ways in the right, should' take this opportunity 'of expressing their opiniojt. With respect to B r ussia, he thought it must appear that she was goaded to war by repeated insults ; and though, as the Hon. Gentleman had said, Prussia was con qnered, she did not experience that evil in war, but in peace: she had survived the conquest to periSh . in his embraces ; if, indeed, she was to disappear from among the list of nations, she would disappear, not with the enemies, but with the friends of Buonaparte. - Great and - good as the conqueror was, he knew'of no other of Whom it could be said, that though his antagonists might resist, his allies could never escape him. , 'He would do all that could lie done to recall the world to a state of peace, but he trusted that, under all circumstances, we should be able to Maintain the war while it was necessary. _ - [Some explanzttion took place between Mr. .CANNING and Mr. HUTCHINSON% The latter com plained of having been misrepresented by the Right Hon. Gentleman, wheh he described him as the-ChaMpion of Buonaparte. The, former de-, 'nied having used the word champion in the man ner imputed to him, but stated the impression on his mind, produced by the Hon. Gentleman's Speech to be the same, after his explanation, as before.] Mr. W. Smirrir thought the language of. Buo haparte could not be misunderstood.' When he proposed that we should 'agree td recoinise the present dynasty of Spain, it could not be doubt ed but he meant that dynasty which he had placed there ; and this being the fact, he thought it was impossible for its to treat with him on the basis proposed. No man wished for an honourable peace more than himself, but he was not anxious for a peace, to obtain which, we must give up both our interest and honour. _Mr. SHERIDAN replied at some length. He cen sured the praises which had been bestowed on Buonaparte, and was surprised that they should be lavished on one who had disregarded every mo ral -principle of honour, and who had conquered the world, not by bravery, but byvile corruption: He then drew a lively picture Of the perfidy ofthe French Ruler towards Spain, front whom he had received no provocation, and again deprecated giving praises to such an enemy. Let hint de serve .the Crown of France as he might, it was his hope that he should never possess the Crown of England. All panegyrics like those, which had been pronounced on him went to smooth the road to the accomplishment of his Worst designs against this country, in a way which excited in his mind serious apprehensions of the worst consequences. He deprecate& encouraging an indisposition to war before the time arrived at' which it Was' Dos sible to obtain an honourable peace. The Hon. Ceniletrian had asked what-good could come from subsidising Russia ? The same question had been asked . with • respect to the Peninsula ; and it had been contended that all the assistance we could give in men or in money would be useless. The Hon. Gentleman had this day acknowledged how different was, the result. Aceording to what he had said, it appeared, that by sending our money there, - and by ,shedding our brave blood in the cause, we had brought litionaparte on his knees, so far as to make him offeito give what, in the opiniOn of the lion. Gentleman, was all that could be reason .ably .expected from" him. Far fmn thinking that Government had been backward in meeting the overtures of France, he simuld rather say they had been too forward: It was nonsense . to say that .our exertions in favour of Russia must be crowned with success. The immortality of nations was not committed to, the hands of mortals. It - was not for men to command success, but it was in the power of men to perish gloriously ; and he hoped, that if England must fall at last, that it would at least be said of her, that withler fell the best security fin the liberties and the happiness of the- world. The Motion was then agreed to. , The Frame-work Knitters Bill was read a third time, and passed. Adjourned at fralf-past Twelve.