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RAILWAY COMMITTEES. (YESTERDAY.) Sub• Committee No. I. (Continued from eur Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) SHREWSBURY, WOLVERHAMPTON, AND SOUTH STAFFORDSIIXEM (No. XX). The petition for this Bill was then gone into. The standing orders were declared to have been complied with save In one instance, where the notices in the Gazelle were inserted as only applying to a second-class Bill, whereas the Bill partook of a second and tbiEl-elass Bill. The CHAIRMAN said they would consider the point, and give their decision on Thursday next. The Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. Snb-Ceramittee No. 2. LIVERPOOL AND LEEDS DIRECT. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Several allegations of the same nature were abandoned, and the ease for this petition terminated. The next petition was from Messrs. John, Joseph, Isaac, and Thomas Hollings, of Bradford, in the county of York, complaining of non-compliance with the standing orders, by which they were affected by the railway. The first allegation was that with respect to the property which consisted of a mill, &c. in the township of Foyland in the parish of Halifax, in the West Riding of the county of York, from sections 3o to 46 no notice was served on the parties. This allegation was sustained. This was the case for this petition. The next petition was from Messrs. John William and Edward Armitage, of Gloucester, complaining of non-compliance with the standing orders, the necessary notices with respect to their psoperty on the line not having been served on the petitioners. Mr. COATES here handed in a letter received from Mr. Edward Armitage, to the effect that he had been served with a notice on the 20th of December. Mr. Darr said that the premoters of the Bill were bound to have served all the parties when they were, as in the present case, in the United Kingdom, but instead of that they served only one of the parties who was at that time in Cheltenham, and dis tant from one of the brothers over 100 miles, and from the other 40 miles. One of these gentlemen only heard of the circumstance on the sth of February last. He believed that his friend (Mr. Coates) would not attempt to deny these facts. If not he was ready to g 6 into the case. Mr. COATES said that his friend had better go into his case. ILvidence being heard pro and can, Mr. COATES said he trusted that the Committee in their report would mention the mitigating circumstances of the case, the parties to be served here being scattered over the country. The Committee found that in the case of Mr. Wm. Armitage the standing orders had not been complied with, but that the other peti tioners had been duly served. This was the only allegation in this petition. The next petition was to the same effect from Mr. Rudd, on the part of Sir Charles Evanson, for whom he was agent. Evidence being heard in support of the allegation as well as on the part of the promoters of the Bill, the Committee found that in this case the standing orders had not been complied with, one of the agents of Sir Charles Evanson being served, hut that the agent of the property in question was not served. The further hearing of this case was then postponed till Thursday, to-morrow being the day for the hearing of unopposed petitions. The Committee adjourned at four o'clock. Sub-Committee No. 3, exronD, WITNEY, AND CHELTENHAM. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) A number of other objections of a like character were brought for ward, but they were explained away by the promoters, who stated that the errors originated in the slipping of the type on the plans and sections. Another objection was urged by Mr. John Pinnell, the owner and occupier of land in the parish or Westnell, in Oxfordshire, who proved that no application had been made to him by the promoters on or before the 31st of December las', in respect of that portion of his property proposed to be taken for the purpose of the railway. He admitted having received a notice from the Oxford and Didcot Com pany, but it in no way related or alluded to the present scheme. The agent fur the promoters was understood to explain that the Oxford and Didcot line was connected with the present scheme, and the name of the former was introduced cute the notice served upon M. Pitmen by mistake. Another allegation made out was that-one of the sheets of the books of reference deposited with the clerk et the peace for the con nty of Oxford was missing, and several others of a less important cha racter were proved to the satisfaction of the Committee. In every instmee the Committee decided that the standing orders had not been complied with. The Commilate adjoueued at four o'clock till to•tnerrow. Sub-Committee .No. 6. Captain Jones took the chair at twelve o'clock ; there were also present Lord libangton, Mr. l'akington, and ethers. WOnCESTER AND POR.T.II DYNLMAEN. This was the first ease brought antler the consideration of the Conundtee. It had been postponed from a former day, to enable the Parliamentary agent (Mr. Burke) to argue the point whether th , re had not been a non-compliance with the stamfing order; in c , As.imunme of the promoters of the Bill hating put itt a declAraihm lost 'ad of a subscription contract for the raising of the neccss.try funds, and which, in the opinion of the Committee, was not stnlicient, inasmuch as a portion of the promo ters (the Great %Western Company) could not be compelled to proceed with the undertaking. Mr. Strait and Sir Win. ileatheote (the chairmen of two other Railway Committus) attended sped Ally to hear the arguments and join in the decision cl the Committee. Mr. Ilunt:E itr:oed 111;!, point at great length, and concluded by hoping that if the Connnittee dccid¢d against him, they would permit the promoters to substitute the required contract in place of the de claration. _ fhe room was de and after the lspse Man hour and a half we were re-admitted, when the next Bill on the list was called for s't ith• sut any referea e being made to this by the Committee. We were subsequently informed that it was ih^ determination of the Com mittee to cumin incite their decis!on to the agent on Thursday. 1.01,7D0MT EXWAINGIVIIVI (LEA.M.INGION EXTENAION, (aiVENTICY, AND RUGBY charges to meet the current expenses of the line, without offering that accommodation to the public and those low fares which would increase their traffic and their dividends. Those expenses had been so considerable as to prevent them from proposing the payment of a much higher dividend than the one de clared at their last meeting, namely, Bs. per share. The increase of the dividend to 10s. per share, which they now propcsed to pay, did not, however, arise from the increased receipts of the line, buf from profits derived from other sources, such as interest on capital and from the purchase of shares. The increase of traffic was the main thing to which they had to look for their profits, but in main taining this increase there must, of course, be a gradual reduction of expenditure, as the accommodation which they w . ould, be the first instance, be called to afford, would not reggae to renewed, except a further accession of traffic took place. The capabilities of the line were more and more in the course of development, and they were therefore strongly of opinion that a further reduction of fares would tend greatly to their advantage; and with the same view they had recommended the adoption of short lines, in order that the traffic of the larger lines might not be interfered with. They had possibly heard of an asso ciation which had been recently established in London for improving the dwellings of the working classes. A very intelligent member of that association considered that it would be an error of judgment to improve the habitations in London, and had repeatedly urged the erec tion of suitable tenements within five or six miles of London, in order that they and their families might enjoy the pure air of the country. He considered further, that this plan mignt be effectually carried out by the means of railways, and a proposal had been made to the Board by an eminent architect, who, In his zeal for the industrious classes, proposed to construct a railway for the purpose of carrying out his plan with greater effect. But, in the first instance, he came to the directors to ascertain if they would take these people home and back again at a cheap rate. And be (the Chairman) considered that they might effect the desired object if they could carry these people as ff they were goods, sad at as cheap a rate as goods were conveyed. This gentleman's proposal was, simply to build villages in the vicinity of London, to charge an ad ditional rent upon them, which should be paid to the Company, whether the people went by the railway er not, or whether the houses remained full or empty. If they, therefore, could carry live lumber at the same rate as dead lumber—(Laughter) —and not to start the trains unless full or paid for, he saw no reason why they should not accept the proposition, and bring an additional amount of traffic on their line—in fact, make it a perfect street—thus increas ing their profits and conferring great advantages on the industrious classes of the community, by removing them from the moral efflu vium and the physical effluvium, If he might so speak, gene rated in all large and densely populated cities—afford them better houses, better water, better lighting, and, in short, almost a change of existence. All the consideration was, whether they would derive profit from the adoption of this plan or not. lie then alluded to the amalgamation with the Brighton Com pany, and stated that everything had been arranged, and that the two Companies were now on the best terms.—(Hear, hear.) After referring to some of the other paragraphs in the report, he proceeded to notice the system of traction adopted on the line. The locomo tive arrangements had been broken up. There had been a consider able increase in the expenditure on this account, but the greater portion of that expense had been incurred in maintenance of the way, as the rails laid down in the first instance were extremely light, and the increased rate and power of the engines placed on the line from time to time, had materially worn these rails, and rendered their removal extremely frequent, and of course expensive. They proposed ultimately to relay the whole of the rails, but, acting under the advice of Mir. Cubitt, whose abeence lie regretted, they had de ferred doing so until the proposed extensions had relieved the main line of some of its traffic. As they were no doubt anxious to know the state of the atmospheric system, and the opinion of the directors upon it, he would next address them on that point. Ile did not know whether, in the prosecution of their mode of traction they had met with more of those trials and difficulties which persons attempting anything of a new character generally encountered, but he felt perfectly satisfied in saying that nothing which they had met with in the way of interruption, and there had been some, had shaken their opinion of that system, or of the benefits which it would confer on the shareholders. Nothing had happened which could be traceable to causes which could have been forseen; but lie thought that they should know all that had taken place with respect to it —nothing would be con cealed in order that the anxiety of the shareholders might be allayed as to the result of the atmospheric system. The more he saw of that system the more he was confirmed in the opinion which he had frequently expressed, that not only would all that had been anticipated of it be realised, but that it would ultimately super sede the present mode of traction. This result might not be brought about immediately, but as the desire of the community for rapid and cheap communication increased, the old system could net fail to give place to the atmospheric. He had no doubt they had committed a mistake in employing Mr. Samuda to make and be answerable for all the atmospheric apparatus on the line. They thought his talents and energy would best accomplish that object, and so far he believed they had acted wisely ; but then they thought that Mr. Samuda had not such means at his command as au engineer as were possessed by others in this great city, aed had altered their determination. They said, "We will make 3lr. Samuda answerable for every part of it, and as we know what engiee malting is, we will go to the best engine,-cutlers in London, that we nosy have the best engine which cart be made." They went to Messrs. Mandslay mei Field, than whom there were not more eminent engineers in London, and stated their desire. Mr. Field went to Dublin, and engines such as they considered they ru quires: were sup plied, but the result Lad - shown that either Mr. Field or eoine of them had not had sufficient conception of what was best to be done. The engines which they hall furnished were excellent in their way, but they were more calculated to pump air than for the purposes de signed, as dye had broken in several parts —in the crank axles, and in the connecting rods, whilst six only could be used. They thought they would effect a great im provement by making the valves, which were very deficient, of wood instead of iron, in order to lighten them to a few ounces, but, un fortunately, dirt an I grease bail interfered with its operatio', anti they had consequently been unable to pump the line sufficiently. This, no doubt, was a great mistake, .and they had thought it ad visable to put the whole matter in the hands of Mr. Sainuda, and called upon hina to report to them what alterations would be neces sary to put these engines in good working order. Although accidents of this flature had occurred, they confidently anticipated that the time was not far trstant when all the advantages of the atinoepheste system would be fully realised. (Ile then read a report from Mr. Somata, setting forth the lidaries which the engines had sustained.) With the atmospheric apparatus passengers could be carried at the rate of seventy miles an hour, without any increase of expense on working. it had also been demonstrated that trains could Le taken into anti out ugthe tube in two minutes, and it could be so arrang.ed, if required, as to send a train every five minutes With all the dis advantages that had taken place in the working of the atmospheric principle, there had been every proof of its great economy over the ordinary system of traction. The Hon. Gentleman then quoted from the report of the Gauge Connnission, to show the great danger of ac cidents ou hoes *worked by locomotive engines as compared with lines worked by stationary engines or upon the atmospheric principle. siceiJents on locomotive lines principally arose from high rates of speed, and by running express trains, end for this heavy engines and increased cost were required ; whereas all the advantages of high velocity would be realised from the atmospheric system, without the danger associated with the ordinary railroad, or an increase of cost. They had on the London and Croydon realised the highest rate of speed yet attainable on the atmospheric portion of the line, anti he had no doubt they would yet be able to run trains throughout to Dover on this principle, at the highest rate of speed and without dateser or increased expense. The Hon. Gee- Homan said Ire would next call their attention to a speech recently delivered in the West of Y rigland by Mr. Brunel, in which that gen tleman declared himself perfectly satisfied with the practicability of the atmospheric, system shown in the working of it on the Croydon line. Ito concluded by - reading the extract in question, and by de claring his firm persuasion that the system, notwithstanding all the difficulties they had met wi - could be brought to work, so as to be completely and perfectly' successful. In answer to questions put by several proprietors, The CHAIRMAN replied that there wits no intention of doing away with the Croydon station, but only to remove it about three or four hundred yards from its present position ; that the increase of tolls was not so great as expected, but this was partly attributable to the rates of toll cliar4ed on the London and Brighton, and the Ceoydon lines being in proportion different To what they were in the previous half s ear ; that the directors, with regard to reduced fares, would act in the best way to serve the interests of the company, and would trot run headlong into low fares without the prospect of a population to matte it advisable and remunerative; that the Directors expected the whole line would be open to the junction with the Greenwich Hallway in two or three months, and if the latter would not allow them to go upon their line with the atmospheric principle, then the directors would do their best to get to London-bridge by some other means ; that there was no doubt but that the amalgamated Com pany would even give more accommodation tor short distances than at present, as it would be the clear interest of the Brighton directors to do so ; and that the gross receipts of the Company the last year had been 76,0001., of which the whole expenses were 46 per cent., 34)4 per cent. being for working expenses, and the remainder for rates and taxes, which were very high, and toll to the South Eastern Company. The report, after sonic further explanations, of no material nature, was received and adopted, and the resolutions agreed to, declaring 10s. per share on the 44,400 old shares, the new shares created as last meeting not being included. Mr. James Whisktn was re-elected a director The meeting, having passed a vote of thanks to the Chairman, then broke up. STATIONS ENLARGEMENT) The promoters of titis i:ttend to construct extensions at the teraninqtoo, Coventry, and Itugby Stations. The cost is provided for by the origiiial deed of the London and It!riningliam. Company. Engineer, it. B. Dockray, Esq., ; Parliamentary a,;ents, Messrs iturke and Co. ; sAiritur, Mr.Catter, Birmingham. Standing orders COM plied with. LONDON AND EXR.INIX AT GRAM (AYLESBURY PURCHA.SE). The object of this Bill is to en: Vile the London ant Birmingham Company to purcluv.e the Aylesbury Railway. Standing orders complied with. sitzrrxmx.x), ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE, AND 2VIIIPI C TE2. AIYIAL G.S.IVIATIO N. This is a Bill to .sanction Lire amaN'atnatlua of the above-named Companies The tHual proofs havinz been put in, The Committee decided that the standin orders had been com plied with. .2KII) LAND (=am:al - GUAM EXTENSION). :11:s petition waa called on, but not conc7ucled at the time that the Cora.nlttee a,ljournf.d (tour o'clock). STANDING ORDERS' COMMITTEES. HOUSE OF LORDS. The Committee assembled at two o'clock this day. Present, the Earl or bhaftesbury, And Lords Hood, Itedesdale, Hawarden, and Colborne. 44IEW1.:XFORD, WATERFORD, AND VALENCIA RAILWAY. After hearing the usual evidence, the line being strongly opposed in consequence of the deposits not being lodged at the proper time, The Committee decided that the Company could only proceed this session with their line from Killarney to 'Valencia, and that the case should be adjourned to enable the parties to arrange their proofs of this portion of the line. The length of the line is 179 miles, and it is estimated to cost 1,666,000/. Solicitors, Messrs. Wilkinson and Co., London ; Mr. West, Wexford ; and Mr. J. Barry Clogheen, Tipperary ; Parliamen tary agents, Messrs. Dyson and Ce. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The sittings of this Committee commenced as usual at one o'clock this day, in No. 9 room, The Members present were Mr. Estcourt (chairman), Mr. Greene, Mr. Miles, Mr. Pendarvss, Sir W. Heath cots, Mr. H. Drummond, and Mr. W. Ord. In the case of the following Bills the Committee decided that the standing orders should be dispensed with, and the Bills should be allowed to be proceeded with accordingly:— • GLASGOW HARBOUR RAILWAY. LONDON, SALISBURY, AND YEOVIL RAILWAY. WEST RIDING UNION RAILWAY. . This case, which has excited so much Interest, was again brought before the Committee on a petition referred to it by the House of Commons. After hearing Mr. Parkes, of the firm of Dyson, Hall, and Co., at considerable length, the Committee decided that the promoters of the Bill should be allowed to present a petition for . leave to introduce their Bill. MANCHESTER AND SOUTHAMPTON RAILWAY. Standing orders dispensed with in this case. THE SOMERSETSIURE MIDLAND RAILWAY Was also allowed to be proceeded with. The Committee rose at five o'clock, having previously obtained the permission of the House to sit until that time, and adjourned till Friday next. LONDON and CROYDON RAILWAY. A half-yearly general meeting of the proprietors of this railway was held, at one o'clock yesterday, in the large room at the London bridge Terminus, for the transaction of the ordinary business of the Company ; W. A. Wilkinson, Esq., occupied the chair. The CHAIRMAN said the meeting had been made special for the purpose of obtaining the approval of the proprietors to a Bill for ef fecting the amalgamation of the London and Brighton Company with the London and Croydon Company, but, as he understood from the solicitor that it was necessary to give four consecutive weeks' notice of their intentivn to bold such a meeting, and as they had not been able to comply with this regulation, the business could not be entered upon at that, but at a subsequent meeting, of which due notice would be given. The advertisement announcing the meeting having been read, and the seal of the Company affixed to the register of proprietors, The SECRETARY (Mr. Young) read the report of the directors, which stated that the receipts had .been greater than those of the corresponding half-year by 5,423/. ss. 2d. Of this the increase upon traffic had been 4,4601. 10s. Id., and of tolls, 9521. 15s. Id. The ex penses had, however, been much increased, particularly in the main tenance of way. The directors observed with satisfaction the steady Increase of the short traffic, and attributed its increase, in a great measure, to the low charges and increased accommodation afforded. They were also of opinion that a beneficial result would attend a still lierther reduction of fare, and they only await the means, which they hope soon to have at their disposal for affording a greater amount of accommodation, and affecting this slather reduction. 'rho Bill tbr the amalgamation of the Company with the Brighton Company, is before Parliament. The Portsmouth Bill, in which they were so much interested, and upon which a favourable opinion has already been expressed by Committees of both Houses of Parliament, awaits the decision of one branch of the Legislature, on the justice of which decision the direc tors_rmo confidently relied. In the last report the directors were in formed or th e p l ans proposed w i th respect to the K ent i s h li nes pro moted_ by this C ompany, and the des i re o f the B oar d to esta bli sh a par aie fund for the execution of this scheme. It was considered desirable to ane r e was not to every encouragement to this undertaking, which its means, :Pend entirely upon the Croydon proprietors for passed at the lastaceordingly, under the terms of a resolution the directors usat,Tenrat meeting, a guarantee was given by Kent proprietors should 4 he event of failure, the expenses to the oft4lxceed 10s. per share. In return for this guarantee the directors o e Kent Atmospheric line have entered into an arrangement with this racter to that which was fo ety Company as to toll, of a similar cha racter by, the :South Eastern. Com a"'ented to, although afterwards lent Atmospheric Company Circumstances, however, have rendered it advisable for the Kent make arrangements with the North K to competed with that of the portion of the scheme of the former as ct Company, by which such latter has been abandoned. The remainder'n the opinion of the directors, so superior to th e corresponding iin; plan of the g into, urnsideration the South-Eastern Company, that taking f l a y with eon- The fair claims of this Company to its execution Ildence upon the judgment of the Legislature in aeir re directors had made arrangements for possession of ft IV:er end dock, adjoining her Majesty's Victualling -yard at Deptford,hare within a mile of the railway, and a Bill is now before Parnamentantdo enable this Company to construct a line from thence to New Cross, by which a very advantageous coal and goods trade will be secured for all the lines making use of the Croydon trunk. By means ante short branch, and the passing of the Portsmouth and North Kent Bills, and the Reigate and Dorking Bill o f the Bri g ht en Company, a direct an d unbroken line of railway communication will be effected between the Government yards and docks of Deptford, Woolwich, Sheerness, Chatham, and Portsmouth. The locomotive arrangement of the three companies at New Cross had finally terminated, the Brighton and Croydoe Companies having agreed to purchase the South-Eastern Company's share of the premises. since the 19th of January one half of the line had been worked by atmospheric traction, and tak ing into consideration the novelty of the process—its junction with the locomotive system, upon a line with a large traffic, running trains each-way every hour throughout the day—this had been effected with very little interruption. The interruption which had occurred had mainly resultel from the inadequate strength of the moving parts of the engines, and the inefficient working of the air-pump valves. Means had been taken for remedying these defects as soon as practicable, and avoiding their recurrence for the future, and when they shall be remedied, and tile system put into entire operation, the directors are persuaded that all the advantages which have been anticipated world be IleriviA It had been found impossible in so short a time and with so iniperie,..l an application :o Institute any practical cone parison of the expense of working, but enough had been done to prove the perfect troth of all the'evidence which was given before Parliament In favour of this system in every other respect, and the fallacy of much that was alleged against it. Th e r e cou ld h e li tt l e doubt, theretOre, that Otlts in regard to cost also it wou ld equa l ly b ear out the evidence supporters. The progress of the Epsom, line had been very much delayed by the diflieultv c` obtaining possession of the land— the works w ere , however, active ' operation, and the Directors confidently expected their com pletion hi the ensuing au t umn. The profit and loss account for tl 1 Ise. half-year showtd a balanc e i n f avour of the Company o f 22 , 812/. ii,arout of which th e directors re commend a dividend o f l es. per s d atter moving the adopti on of the re e po to rt be declared ' The Cit AIRMAN proceeded to comment on the di It. He said, although the we e kl y expenses tlurl n fterent par agraphsin been considerable, in order to accommodate tile g the past y ear had increase of traflic, he was confident that they would reap great advantage In t asmuch as a misdirected economy cou ld not fall to keep t te m end, in the lowest ebb, and oblige them to k eep up a high r ra t r t e a it locf THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING. MARTII ii , `1846. TUESDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE. ST. JAMES'S PALACE, Fsa. 28, 1846. The Queen has been pleased, on the nomination of Lord Forester, to appoint the under-mentionnd Gentlemen to her Majesty's Honourable Corps o f Gentlemen-at-Arms Fre derick Blow Birkett, Esq , vice Murray ; James Little, Esq., v i c e Blenkarn ; and Theobald B lake, Es q ., vice Winter, who have retired. DOWNING-STREET, MAncu 10. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Lieutenant-Gene ral the Earl Cathcart, Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Military Order of the Bath, to be Captain-Gene ral and Governor-in-Chief of her Majesty's provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick, and of the island of Prince Edward, and Governor-General of all her Majesty's provinces on tho continent of North Anierica, and of the island of Prince Edward. DOWNING-STREET, MAncit 9. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Captain Charles Hotham, of the Royal Navy, to be a Knight Commander of the Most Hon. Military Order of the Bath. FOREIGN-OFFICE, MARCH 9. The Queen has been pleased to approve of Mr. F. Dillon Bell, as Consul in New Zealand for his Majesty the King of Prussia. CROWN-OFFICE, Kann 10. MEMBERS RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT. County of Nottingham (Northern Division)—William Henry Cavendish Bentinck, Esq., commonly called Lord Henry Bentinck, in the room of Henry Galley Knight, Esq, deceased. Borough of Bridport—Alexander Dundas Ross Wisbart Baillie Cochrane, Esq. Commission by the Queen. The Prince Regent's Royal Regiment of Ayrshire Militia— Quartermaster Sergeant J. Miller, of, the Scots Fusilier Guards, to be Adjutant, vice A. M'Pherson, deceased, Feb. 4. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Herefordshire. Sir V. Cornevall, Bart , to be Deputy Lieutenant ; Sir T. Hastings, Knt., to be Deputy Lieutenant; G. Strong, Esq., M.D., to be Deputy Lieutenant ; J. Davies, Esq., to be De puty Lieutenant ; J. llopton, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant : J. Stinton, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant ; W. H. Cooke, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant; B. Boddington, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant ; T. Evans , Esq.,. to be Deputy Lieu tenant ; J. H. St. John, Clerk, to be Deputy Lieutenant ; A. Clive Clerk, to be Deputy Lieutenant ; W.F. Hopton, Clerk, to be Deputy Lieutenant ; E. Higgins, Clerk, to be Deputy Lieutenant; W. Edwards, Clerk, to be Deputy Lieutenant, March 6. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Forfarshire. Sir T. Monro, Bart., to be Deputy Lieutenant; D. Laird, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant ; Lieutenant - Colonel T. R. Swinburne, to be Deputy Lieutenant; D. W. B. Ogilvy, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant ; D. Rankine, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Middlesex. Royal East Middlesex Regiment of Militia—J. Cocking, Gent., to be Lieutenant, Jan. 22. Royal Westminster Regiment of Middlesex Militia—H. St. Jelin Corbett, Gent., to be Lieutenant, March 5. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of Huntingdonshire. Huntingdonshire Militia—The Hon. R. Montagu, com rnoplOcrinimealiAlsesidb:illn:tosr,lB3dßobert Montagu, to be Captain, March 3. L. Darwin,Own tlae LeicestershireLo r d Lieutenant yeo o m f Leicestershire.Yeomanry Cavalry—E. Gent., to be Cornet, vice W. Craddock, resigned, Nov. 7 ; Cornet b . F. Cradock to be I' ientenant, vice Ousley, ' inigned,; T. J. Pavis, Gent, to be Cornet, vice S. F. Cradock, ' by the Lord Lieutenant yavi of Hampshire. promoted, riom rn J i a s n si . o l n 7 B t te f nan Yeo t ; ma F n . r It. Loscombe, Gent., to be G e A n , d 0 r to b i e rro L o i p eu Cavalry—ll. Thompson, WIIZTEHALL, Kuril 3. Cornet, Feb. 27. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Joiln Knapp, of city of Worcester , G ent., ttt be a Master Extraordinary theiti the High Court of Chancery. BANKRUPTCY SCPERSEDED. Joseph Cason, worsted spinner, .Allerton, Yorkshire. BANKRUPTS. ' `William Harding, turner, Edward -street, Portman-sq,:are, to surrender March 20, at one, and Apia 21, at half-paip, one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Alsager, official assignee; Mordauct, Bolton-street, Piczadilly. William James Harris, tailor, High-street, eouthwarkof , March 21, at twelve, and April 18, at one, at the Court Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee, Aldermanbury ; Well borne, Tooley-street. Joseph Sewell, grocer, Great Dun mow - , Essex, March 18, at half- past twelve, and April 23, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, official aosignee, Basinghall-street ; Wade anePenningten, Frederick's- place, Old Jewry. Edward Morgan, coach-builder, L:sson-street, Marylebone, of Bankruptcy . Follett, .flasinghall-street; March 20, at twelve, and April 18, at eleven, at the Court Bieknoi fi m ei am al 'as he s s i :li m b r a o n o c k h • es te court r. square. 6 4. 71 F- e s e i r eSeat S. Pritchett and J. P. Oridge, glove manufacturers, Charl bury, Oxfordshire, March 20, at two, and April 18, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee, Alder manbury ; Patten, Ely-place, Holborn. William John Idenden, tailor, Salmon's-lane, Limehouse, March 17, at one, and April 21, at half-past eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Turquand, official assignee, Jewry chambers; Taylor, Church-street, Spitalfields. William Frederick Brewster, chemist, Bath, March 17, at half-past twelve, and April 7, at half-past eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee, Coleman street ; Wilkins, Furnival's Inn. John Blandell, pawnbroker, Wigan, Lancashire, March 23 and April 20, at twelve, at the Manchester District Court. Pott, official assignee, Manchester ; Sharp, Field, and Jack ' , son, Bedford-row; Barrow, Wigan. John Rayner, cloth manufacturer, Stanningley, Yorkshire, March 23 and April 13, at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Hope, official assignee, Leeds; Walker, Furnival's Inn ; Blackburn, Leeds. Anthony Nichol, ship-broker, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, March 19 and April 21, at two, at the Newcastle-upon-Tyne District Court. Baker, official assignee, Newcastle-upon- Tyne; Harle, Newcastle-upon-Tyne ; Chisholme, Hall, and Gibson, Lincoln's Inn-fields. Thomas Harding, bookseller, Lichfield, March 20 and April 18, at half-past ten, at the Birmingham District Court. Christie, official assignee, Birmingham ; Reece, Birmingham. Charles Goldsmith, saddler, Bristol, March 19 and April 23, at eleven, at the Bristol District Court. Hutton, official assignee, Bristol ; Weeks, Cook's-court, Lincoln's Inn ; Ni cholls, Birmingham. William Dale, bricklayer, Liverpool, March 20 and April 17, at eleven, at the Liverpool District Court. Turner, of ficial assignee; Vincent and Co., Temple, London; Jones, Liverpool. Richard Foulkes, cattle salesman, Northop, Flintshire, March 20, and April 14, at eleven, at the Liverpool District Court. Morgan, official assignee, Liverpool ; Bridger and Blake, London-wall ; Almond, Liverpool [Dividends, &c., in our next. 1 MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current of March 10.) SUGAR.— To-day there was a great desire evinced to pur chase West India Sugar for refining and grocery purposes, and the rates offered were fully equal to those of Friday, but business of moment was prevented by the scarcity and indif ferent show at market. REFINED.—To-day Refined goods we're in excellent re quest by the home trade, and stiffer rates were paid, brown grocery lumps selling at 62s 6d, and standard lumps at 63s 6d to 64s per cwt. The market for bonded crushed Sugar is very firm at 35s 6d to 35s 9d per cwt for first quality. MAURITIUS.—This afternoon the quantity of Mauritius sub mitted to public competition amounted to 6170 bags 47 casks and 16 barrels ; the trade were desirous to operate, and the whole sold at former rates to 6d. per cwt. advance. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon Bengal Sugar was in excellent request. The quantity submitted to public competition amounted to 2272 bags, nearly the whole sold at former rates. FOREIGN.—The market has been much better supplied with all description of Foreign Sugar since this day week, and a fall in the value has ensued. A reduction on the pre vious rates of is per cwt. having been submitted to for yellow Havannah, however, has occasioned a large business to be transacted. COFFEE.—This afternoon there was little desire evinced by exporters to purchase Coffee, but the home trade operated more freely privately, and only 19 bags of Ceylon were offered at public sale, which sold at 47s for good ordinary, and at 43s for first class sea damaged ; by private treaty a fair amount of business was tranaacted. TEA.—Holders of Congou are reluctant to reduce their prices, but the trade have purchased all descriptions with caution. Twankay has been disposed of to a fair extent, find pi ices rule firm. Although Ilysons are to be obtainable upon low terms, still only a limited business has been trans acted. Imperials and Gunpowder cannot be obtained gene rally on lower terms, but there has been little passing. SNcEs—Prices at present cannot be quoted higher for Black Pepper, although none has been again submitted to public competition, but there has been a good business transacted by private treaty. All parties are decidedly more inclined to increase their stocks at present low prices. The arrivals keep small; the quantity here is less than it was lest year, and prices are lower. RteE.—To-day the market was better supplied with Ben gal Rice ' and three parcels amounting to 1,065 bags and 1,310 pockets were of at public sale; the trade evinced little desire to operate, and the sound was all taken in 6d per cwt under former rates. Rem, BRANDY, AND HOLLANDS.—HoIders of Calcutta Rum evince firmness, and at is 8d to Is 9d per gallon proof with certificate, purchases to a fair extent have been made. Leeward Island is wanted, still no advance in the value has occurred. Jamaica is not to be had upon lover terms ; common sorts, however, have been sparingly dealt in at 3s to 3s 3d, but the better qualities met with more attention. The inferior sorts of Demerara are dull of sale, and can be obtained upon easier terms; strong kinds, however, in im proved request at 2s 9d to 3s per gallon. The deliveries of Ruin are still exceeding the arrivals. There has been little inclination to purchase Brandy of any description. Geneva has been less in request for exportation, and prices not so firm. Fine for home consumption is still fetching 2s 0d to 3s. The value of B itish Corn Spirits is still lOs 6d per gallon nett cash, and Gin is held for 8s 10d for 22 per cent under proof, and 17 under Os 4d per gallon ; but the demand has been limited. Oms.—A good demand has been experienced for Olive Oil. For Rape Seed Oil further reduced rates have tempted buy ers to operate with more freedom. In Cocoa Nut the trans actions privately have been upon a more extended scale. Palm has been disposed of to a fair extent, but not at better prices. Prices continue on the advance for Linseed Oil, and there has been an extensive business transacted. Pale Seal has been purchased with caution. Southern has suffered no fur ther decline in value TALLOW.—There having been a brisker demand for Rus sian on the spot, and the stock being small, holders have suc ceeded in obtaining stiffer rates; the demand has been good, end 42s 9d to 43s per cwt. are the prices given for fine Petersburgh Yellow Candle duty paid ; the trade, however, are not disposed to take much more than their immediate wants rorpiie. For delivery in the last three months of the year many contracts have been entered into, and 41s 61 to 42s are the rates paid in bond. In the value of home made little variation has occurred; the demand has been good at 42s 6d to 43s nett cash, and the supply is but a moderate one. Other kinds of Tallow are wanted, and pre vious rates are sustained, although the market has been fairly supplied. COURSE OF EXCHA] Amsterdam .. ....C.F. 12 9 Ditto, at sight • • .... 12 51 Rotterdam 2U. 12 10 Antwerp 2tl 15 Ilamburgh M.B. 13 11% Altona • • Paris, 3 days' sight .. • 25 75 Ditto, 3 months...... 26 Marseilles • ..... 26 10 Bourdeaux..... . Frankfort on Mains.... 122% Petersburgh, 3 U 5..... Berlin .. . • • • • Vienna, elec. flo ••• • • • 10 10% Trieste, ditto.... ..... . 10 10% Madrid •• .. qGE.-(YESTERDAY.) Gibraltar.. •• ......•• Leghorn . Genoa.. ...... • 26 10 Milan .. — Venice.... Naples .. •• .. • - 39%, Palermo, per oz .. I 19% Lisbon ..... :52% Oporto - ... • Hi* Janeiro • • ...... 23 Bahia .. Buenos Ayres .. ••.. • • New York, 21 days' sight Philadelphia .... .... .. • PRICES OF BULLION, PER OZ. Foreign Gold is bars.. £3 17 9 Portugal Gold Coin .. 3 17 5 New Doubloons . 0 0 0 New Dollars . ..... 0 4 9% illyer in bars ........ 0 4 11k Cadiz .. ... : ........ 36 Barcelona .. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. . THE FRENCH STEEPLE CHASE. Weights for the Grand French Steeple Chase. Pioneer, 12st Slb Lancet, list Vanguard, 12st 41b Elawkstone, list Austerlitz, 12st • Pledge, lOst 131 b The Page, l Ist 131 b Recruit, 103 t 101 b Cure-all, list 131 b Foxberry, lOst 121 b Crcesus, list 101 b Ragman, lOst 121 b Tiger, list 81b Eugene Sue, 10st 1 llb Eagle, 1 Ist 71b Alice Grey, list 61b Regalia, lOst 10Ib Chance, 1 let 41b Sacrifice, 10st 101 b The Spy, lOst 101 b Patriot, list 41b Coheiress, lOst 101 b Culverthorpe, 1 Ist 41b Grace Darling, lOst 91b Forester, list 21b May-day, lOst 71b Cottonian, list 215 The Kicker, lOst 51b The Premier, list 21b Wilton, 103 t 41b .• The Hack, llst 21b Little Tommy, lOst 31b Jack, Ilst 21b Consul, lOst Latitat, list Candia, lOst Discord, list Veluti, 9st 101 b Carlon, list Scavenger, 9st 71b The Roarer, list Artful Dodger, 9st 21b Alice Gray, 5 yrs old, as named by Mr. Cremieux, is a wrong nomination, and will pay forfeit. To declare forfeit before five P.M. of the 20th instant. (RECEIVED TIIIS DAY.) BETTING AT MANCHESTER—TUESDAT. THE TRIAL STAKES AT COVENTRT.-6 to 4 agst Fantasia (t). CHESTER CEP.-17 to 1 agst Sweetmeat (t), 22 to 1 agst Miss Burns (take ino 1), 25 to 1 agst Mermaid, 25 to 1 aget The Baron, 25 to 1 agst Best Bower (t), 25 to 1 agst Clumsy (take 28 to 1), 25 to 1 agst Fitzallen (t), 50 to 1 agst Crim. Con., 50 to 1 eget Miss Ells, 50 to 1 agst St. Lawrence, 1,000 to 10 agst Mervis (t). DEBBT.-5 to 1 agst Sting (t), 15 to 1 agst Brocardo (t), 23 to 1 agst lago (t), 25 to 1 aget Tibthorpe (t), 40 to 1 agst Fancy Boy (t), 50 to 1 agst Nutbourne (t). COURT CIRCULAR. The Queen took a drive in an open carriage on Mon day afternoon in the vicinity of Osborne House, attended by the Marchioness of Diuro, Lady in Waiting. His Royal Highness Prince Albert was on horseback. Co lonel Arbuthnot and Major General Sir Edward Bowater were in attendance on horseback. _ _ _ The Hon. and Rev. C. Leslie Courtenay left Osborne House on Monday. Yesterday their Royal Highnesses the Prince of Wales, Prince Alfred, the Princess Royal, and the Princess Alice, were taken airings in the pleasure grounds of Osborne House. . Her Majesty and her Royal Consort took their accus tomed early walk yesterday. The Duke of Cambridge visited her Royal Highness the Duchess of Gloucester yesterday at Gloucester House. Mr. John Wood, Chairman of the Excise, had an in terview with the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday, at his official residence in Downing-street. Sir Charles Augustus Fitzroy, Governor of New S.iuth Wales, and Lady Mary Fitzroy and suite, left Farrance's Hotel, Upper Belgrave-street, yesterday, for Portsmouth, to embark for Sydney, New South Wales. The elegant and almost drawing-room character of the decorations and accessories of the Opera House has already done much, and will necessarily do more, to revive that fullness of dress which in the palmiest days of fashion was its distinguishing feature. This is as it should be : and the most aristocratic temple in the word, devoted as it is to the cultivation of the highest intellectuality, ought at least, to have for its votaries those whose taste becomes at once apparent by an acme of refinement in their toilet. The purest white for ladies dresses is especially distinque any where-; but at the Opera, where the general erect is now that of the rising sun, it becomes almost necessary, from its peculiar fitness a 3 a harmonious contrast to amber tones. The same observations equally apply to the white necker chief ; and it would appear as though a patent, recently taken ont fur the s e c ur it y o f t h e pat t ern o f a "cravat collar," made with golden flax linen of the most snowy whiteness, was a forethought o f i ts i ngen i ous i nventor, i n d uce d b y the knowledge of its n ecess i ty for the present brilliant season. " CONFESSIONS OF A PEETTY WOMAN" is the title which Miss Pardoe, an authoress already known to the public by several charming productions, has given to a three to excite conjecture as to the cause of the pro volume novel now on the eve of publication; and a work iriekvalefations, and to create an eager desire to profit by tnlinfiesrmeedamongst all classes of her Majesty's . lieges, where such privileged culprits are to be found,. it is impossible to con ceive. It is reported in the . beat informed . circles that tIN title of this attractive book is not more piquant than the materials of which it is composed. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, March 10. The LORD CimicELLos , took his seat on the Woolsack a t the usual hour. SALE OF SPIRITS ON SUNDAY. The Duke of RICHMOND presented petitions from places in the North of Scotland, praying for a limitation to the sale of spirits on Sunday. LEGACY DUTY. The Duke of RICHMOND presented petitions from Forres, praying that the inventory duty (a species of legacy duty) be repealed. CORN-LAWS. The Duke of RICHMOND presented petitions from the counties of Antrim and Londonderry, in favour of protection to agriculture. REMITTED DUTY ON HOPS. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from the landowners, tenant-farmers, labourers, and others interested in the cultivation of hops in the county of Sussex. They complained that by the remitted duty on foreign hops the Excise duties would only leave them some 255. of protection ; and they stated that the effect of an importation of foreign hops would be to throw the land out of cultivation as regarded this particular plant, and great numbers of persons who were at present en gaged in the cultivation of it would be reduced to idleness; and not only would they be injured, but the clergymen of the county also would find their livings seriously affected ; and it was notorious that, even at present, they were the worst paid of any clergy in England. The Duke of NEWCASTLE presented a large number of petitions in favour of protection to agriculture. DIRECT NORTHERN RAILWAY. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH presented a petition from Hawick in favour of the Direct Northern. Railway. THE MARQUIS OF WETNIEATH AND HIS TENANTRY. Lord BROUGHAM presented it petition, to which he wished to call the attention of their Lorr'ships, as it came from a Member of their House. The petitioner, however, who was the Marquis of Westmeath, petitioned them not as a Peer, but as a landed proprietor of Ireland. He (Lord Brougham) knew nothing of the facts of the petition, but as the} were given in the statement made in it, but if they were on examination found to be correctly stated, they showed a state of things that never existed in any civilized country. The petition had reference to the Noble Marquis's property in the Barony of Ballincleugher, in the county of Roscommon, and complained, that though the petitioner, as well as his father before him, had done their best to "improve the condition bf the tenantry, and to introduce better modes of agriculture, but that all their attempts had been frustrated and opposed ; that insubordina tion prevailed to a most alarming extent; that the con-acre system, and the minute sub-division of land consequent thereon, was causing over-cropping, and the ruining of the soil ; and that the petitioner was defeated in every move ment he made, either for improvement or redress, by chicanery and intimidation of the worst description. The Noble Lord also considered that the distress in the country could not be so great as was supposed when the people were able to contribute such a large sum towards the O'Connell tribute. His Lordship concluded by praying for protection from the system of perjury, which at present so greatly prevailed, and trusted that a law would be enacted by which intimidation of witnesses would he put an end to. Lord CLARE presented a petition from the grand jury of the county of Limerick against the abolition of protective duties on agriculture. Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from the Cloth workers' Company of the city of London, the prayer of which we could not catch. Lord STOURTON gave notice that he should move for a return of the quantities of wheat imported into Great Britain from abroad, and also whatever returns might be in the possession of Government with regard to the quantity of wheat raised in Poland. IRISH PACIFICATION BILL. The Lord CHANCELLOR read the amendment which had been agteed to by the House in Committee, which it was arranged should be proposed on bringing up the report. Earl CLANCA RTY said, that the observations of the Noble Lord were, no doubt, worthy of at . on'ion, but he (Lord Clancarty) coceived that the measure would have contained a clause giving the Lord Lieutenant power to proclaim a dis trict, with a vie:v to the prevention, of crime, by proclaiming a district in which he had reason to apprehended that crime was about to be committed. The LORD CHANCELLOR did not consider it would be judicious to give the Lord Lieutenant the power to proclaim district merely upon an apprehension or anticipation of crime because representations of apprehended crime might be made by persona without Lundation. The safest. course therefore to pursue would be to proclaim only districts in which crime had been committed. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said he held in his hand a threatening notice, the contents of which would show the it Lordship; that the cause of outrage in Ireland was not so much to be attributed to the fact of the eviction of old tenants by landlords, as to the fact of other parties being desirous to keep those tenants in. The LORD CHANCELLOR said he conceived it would be very dangerous to insert any clause in the Bill referring to threatening notices, because any evil-disposed persons might write those notices with a view to geitir g a district pro claimed. The amendments in clause 7, providing compensation, were agreed to. On the question that the words " under suspicious circum stances" be introduced into the 15th clause, which referred to the offence of being out after sunset and before sunrise, Lord STOURTON asked whether it would br considered, that in the present prospects of the country, when famine and pestilence was fuil in their view, a person who might be pro ceeding to claim the aid of his priest to administer the sacra ment to his family, and who might be found out of his own house after sunset, should be laid hold on by the executive. Earl St. GERNIANS rendered full justice to the motive which had induced the Noble Lord to. ask the question. A policeman arristing a person under the circumstances, stated by the Noble Lord. would do so on his own responsibility. Lord STOURTON—Uut suppose a man that is a criminal is going tax his priest, is he not to be protected for the time from arrest ? Earl ST. GERMANS—Certainly net. Lord BROUGHAM--Why, what a monstrous absurdity to think that a man who has committed a crime is to be pro tected from arrest under any circumstances. If a man com mits murder, surely he is not to be protected from arrest upon the pretence that he is going to his priest, or upon the reality even.—The amendment was then agreed to. The Earl of WICKLOW complained that the amendments of the Noble Earl did not meet the objection he had stated last night. Unless power was given to the constable to take a person before the nearest magistrate, and enable the latter to take bail, the practical effect would often be for a person taken up to lie in prison for seven nights and six days before a petty session was 1161. Earl St. GERAIANS considered that the real difficulty was met in the manner he proposed. They had the power of se. curing a stipendiary magistrate's attendance, and at least once a week a sessions would be held, which being an open court, any person brought before it would have their conduct fairly discussed and investigated. Lord DENMAN agreed with his Noble Friend (the Earl of Wicklow) that a great hardship world be imposed on those persons who would be taken up under the Bill, unless a pro vision was made. If a sessions was only to be held once a week, accused parties, besides being confined for three or four days in miserable and badly-ventilated cells, would often have to wilt twenty miles, in order to be examined. He would wish the Noble Earl (the Earl St. Germans) to state what he intended to do respecting gaol accommodation, which at present was so very bad. The Earl of ST. GERMANS said that difficulty could be overcome by making temporary accommodation at the police stations, for parties that might be waiting for examination. The expense of this could not be very great. Lord DENMAN remarked that there was no such place adopted at present. The Earl of ST. GERMANS said the difficulty stated fre quently existed under the present administration of the law, but it could be met by attaching accommodation to the police stations. Lord MONTEAGLE said that the question of commitment in the present case was totally different from that of any other. In case the party who was apprehended had an opportunity of defending himself, and had the power of exonerating him self, he, in common with his Noble Friends, objected to his being confined for seven days and seven nights in the police station before he could prove his inno cence. Let them not deal too harshly. Let them not add any unnecessary severity to this severe enactment. He would suggest that no unnecessary harshness should be em ployed to increase the difficulties attendant on the measure, and be believed that this could be done without impeding the prac tical operation of the Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that he should be very sorry that this Bill should go to the other House of Parliament under such circumstances, to create an impression that it had not received the general assent of all the Members of that House. He would, therefore, propose to the Noble Lord, that the consideration of the question should stand over until Thurs day, and he would endeavour by that time to see if a clause could he passed so as to remove the difficulty. The Marquis of CLAN RICARDE said that he cordially agreed with the Noble Lord who had spoken on his side of the House. He believed that it was important that one magistrate should have the power of discharging any man, who might have been arrested by the stupidity'or partiality of the police. He did not attach one single particle of evil to such a power, for if a. magistrate were afraid to do. his duty by discharging or committing a prisoner, as occasion required, he ought to be discharged from the commission of the peace, and the country would be benefited by his removal. Great and serious mis chief had been done by the timidity of magistrates on the one hand, and the oppression of magistrates on the other. The magistrate need not make it a matter of necessity to con mit the man on his own authority, he might wait for the decision of other magistrates • by such a course he would not render himself Obnoxious. The magistrate might hold the prisoner to bail, if he did not think proper to dismiss him.—( Hear, hear.) He for one hoped that, if the law was to be altered, the alteration might be printed by Thursday, so as to be easily attainable by their Lordships. Earl ST. GERMANS said that he did not consider that the clause, as new proposed, would be any hardship upon indi viduals. If the alteration proposed were carried into effect, it would be difficult to get magistrates to act together. It wa s quite w that this bailed course were would e really c b e e eei e n s judicious,ef h i s because gei it, ifh he man he should be would certainly make his escape. The proposition now before the' House was, that the power shall be given to one magis trate to admit to bail, or to discharge, or to commit ; which would, in fact, be making that magistrate the sole judge of the man's guilt or innocence, and this result might be that a most dangerous character might be let loose upon society. theTNheehDleukLe9orfdßonlCthHeAWlooNelDeurs. opposed to It tpowseeld really eell s y ug h g e e t s e lion eha o d f to have a man taken twenty miles to the county gaol, and twenty miles back again, and then have his innocence proved. He was, therefore, in favour of a prisoner, eing taken before a magistrate imme diately, and to take bail for him, or discharge him, if he had a prima facia case, or to convict him if there should be a clear case against him. If there was an objection to one magistrate acting in this capacity, it would amount to saying that the Irish magistrates were •of fit for the discharge of their duty. If the Noble Lord should press his motion to a division, he would cer tainly support him. The Earl of DEVON hoped that the Lord Chancellor wou'Al postpone his motion. The Marquis of NORTHAMPTON thouzht that if they wished the law to be respected in Ireland they would not add any unnecessarily severe clauses to the measure under consi deration. He did not agree with the remark that the magis • trates would by the amendment of the Noble Lord (Earl of Wicklow) be constituted the judges of the crime,; he would only, after all, be required to judge whether the individual taken be fore him should be bailed or not. Earl ST. GERMANS said he did not wish to press the clause against the wishes of N,,ble Lords. He should there fore withdraw it for the purpose of its being re-considered. The Earl of WICKLOW was perfectly convinced, from the discussion that had taken place that night, that the clause in its present state would never have been carried. He was, however, satisfied with the admission made by the Noble Earl, and would not press it to a division. He trusted that they would send the measure to the other House in a better state than many of the Bills emanating there came up to them. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that by the Bill, as it at present stood, parties were to be brought up before the petty sessions, who were to decide upon the evidences of their crime? ' The difileulty was that the petty sessions might not sit for a week, and, therefore, the Noble Earl suggested that they shotid be c•rri.d at once t?fore two magi-triter, who would decide whether they should go before the petty sessions or not. By the present amendment, it was desired that the magistrate should at once either discharge, or send them for trial, without the intervention of the petty sessions. He confessed that, of the two, he preferred the course which had been usually fol lowed in similar Bills. After a few words from the Marquis of CLANRICARDE, Earl GREY suggested that if the Bill was read a third time, it should be reprinted as it had been amended. The Earl of St. GERM ANS said that he had proposed at first to bring up the report on Thursday evening, when the amendments could have been printed, and had only consented to bring it up to-night at the strong suggestion of their Lord ships, so that no time might be lost. He would take care that the Bill should be printed before the third reading. The amendments under consideration were then agreed to. The Earl of St. GERMANS then proposed that the 16th clause, respecting the "arrestment of persons," should be amended with the addition of the words " under suspicious cir cumstances,' when, after a few words from Lord CAMPBELL against the severity of the clause, Lard COTTING HAM thought that there was no analogy whatever between this Act and the Whiteboy Act. This was much more severe and oppressive, and applied a more stringent punishment to offences of a less venial kind. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the operation of the Act referred to by the Noble Lard applied to the country generally, but this Act would only affect disturbed districts, and consequently ought to be more severe Lord CAMPBELL said that the offence which was punished by this Act with transportation, was, by the White boy Act only treated as a misdemeanour, and punished as ith fine and imprisonment. After a desultory conversati"n between the Lord Chancellor, Lord Cottingham, the Earl of St. Germans, and the Earl of Wicklow, the clause was agreed to. The remaining clauses of the Bill were then agreed to ; the Bill, as amended, was ordered to be reprinted, and the report on the amended Bill to be brought •&p on Thursday, The third reading was Sxed for Friday. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Marsh 10. The SPEAKER took the Chair at a few minutes before Four o'clock. NEW MEMBER. Mr. BAILLIE COCHRANE, who was introduced by Lord Jermyn and Mr. Smythe, took the oaths and his seat for the borough of Bridport. The Sheriffs of London (Messrs. Laurie and Chaplin) appeared at the bar, attirell in their official costume, and pre sented a petition from the Lord Mayor and Common Coun cil of the city of London against the North Kent Railway, Air. MILES proposed that it be an instruction to the Com mittee of Selection to refer the Bristol Waterworks Bill and the Bristol Waterworks and Sewerage Bill to the same Com mittee. Mr. GREENE recommended that the two schemes should be heard before the Committee at the same time, as the Com mittee would then have the merits of the case fully before them. Mr. H. BERKELEY was of opinion that it was a monstrous proposition for the Bristol Waterworks Bill to be delayed in its progress, in order to wait for another scheme which had not a focus standi, and which had not even been read a first time. Mr. LA IiOUCHERE thought it highly desirable that the terms of the motion should be acceded to. Mr. MILES then withdrew his motion, and gave notice that he would make another on the subject on Thursday next. RAILWAYS. Mr. HUME moved, that in case of Bills for the formation or improvement of harbours, docks, piers, railways, bridges, weirs, and for all works and inclosures on tidal lands within the ordinary spring tides ; and also of Bills for bridges over or tunnels under navigable rivers, a copy of all plans, sections, and books of reference, required by the orders of the House to be deposed in the office of any clerk of the peace, or sheriff's clerk, on or before the 30th day of November immediately preceding the session of Parliament in which application for the Bill shall be made, together with a published map, to a scale of not less than half an inch to a mile, with the lines of such docks, piers, and other works, intended to be executed under the Bill, delineated thereon, so as to show the general situation and extent of such intended works. or alterations therein, shall, on or before the same day, be deposited in the Office of the Board of Admiralty. He did so, because, under the old system, whenever parties proposed to obstruct navigable rivers in any way whatever, by the erection of public works, the fact seldom or never came to the knowledge of the Boa:d of Admiralty until after the Bill authorising the construction of suet works had been read a second time. Mr. B. HAWES considered that it would be a very useful addition to their standing orders, and he therefore fully con curred in the observations which had fallen from Mr. Hume. Mr. GREENE had often complained of the course adopted by the Commissioners of Woods and Forests; they never sent in the amended clauses until the la,t."-nom,nt, and parties who had Bills requiring their assent, consequently experienced the greatest delay and inconvenience. After a few worth from Admiral DUNDAS, Mr. H E said that this motion was only to carry out in fact th provisions of the Act of last session. That Act cr a ve the Admiralty the power of interfering with any railway works within the range of the spring tides All that he required was that notice of such interference should be given before the 30,h of November. Mr. R HODG-sON" made a few observations which were inaudible in the gallery. _ _ After a few words from Mr. PA RKER and Mr. LABOUC HERE, desiring the Hon. Member to delay his motion for a day or two, in order to allow time for inquiry, Mr. III:ME consented to wi , hdraw his motion till Thurs. day nest.— l'he motion was accordingly withdrawn. THE CHARTIST CONVICTS. Captain PECHELL presented a petition from the West Riding of Yorkshire, sign.d by 530 persons, praying her Ma jesty would be pleased to grant a free pardon to the convicts Frost, William-, and Jones. The lion. CRAVEN BERKELEY presented a petition with a similar prayer, and hoped it would be done in the same way that Dan it 1 O'Connell and others were liberated in Ireland. —( A laugh. ) PROTECTION. Lord JOCELYN presented a petition from Dorsetshire, signed by a number of farmers, agricultural labourers, and others, in favour of the Government propositions, and ex pressing their belief that protective duties tended to limit our commerce to the injury of the country at large. THE CHARTIST CONVICTS. Sir W. MOLESWORTH presented a petition from South wark in favour (as we understood) of the remission of the Sentence on Frost, Williams, and Jones. He regretted that he could not support the prayer of the petition. Petitions o the same effect were presented by Mr. CoupErt and Mr. AINSWORTH signed by 1,600 persons. POOR-LAWS. Mr. BANKES wished to ad:. the Right Hon. Baronet the Home Secretary on what day it was the intention of the Go vernment to lay on the table of the House the Bill relative to the settlement of the poor, and fur the other matters relative t the alteration of the poor-laws, as embodied in the Ministerial propositions ? Sir R. PEEL— On Monday next. THE ARMY IN INDIA. Mr. AGLIONBY said he was sorry he did not see the Right Honourable Gentleman the Secretary-at-War in his place, because he had intended asking him a question with respect to a paragraph which had ap peared in the United Service Gazette of the Sth instant, to the effect that the 7th Dragoons had been ordered for Ire land. He had, however, seen the Right Hon. Gentleman on the previous day, when he informed him (Mr. Aglionby) that there was no truth in the paragraph in question. The reason, therefore, why he spoke of the subject now, was to give the public the earliest information of the inaccuracy of the statement. EDUCATION IN WALES. Mr. WILLIAMS then rose, in pursuance of notice, to move than an address be presented to her Majesty for inquiry to be made into the state of education in the principality of Wales, with the means afforded to the labouring classes of art quiring a knowledge of the English language. He said that the state of education in Wales was much more neglected and deficient than in any other part of the United Kingdom. The consequence was, that there were no works produced amongst that people which had beers an addition to literature for ages, neither had there been any translations of English works into their language, either on literature, the arts, and sciences, especially in those most important to the interests of mineralogy, agriculture, or the useful arts. That was the position in which they were placed, and he thought until the Government should have taken measures for such an intro. duction of the English language as would increase the intelligence and information of the community in general throughout the principality of Wales, no- great improvement was likely to take place. His motion only asked for an inquiry in the same way as had been grantel to England and Scotland. A Committee had been appointed to inquire into the system of education in England and Wales, and many valuable reports resulted from that inquiry so far as England was concerned. Now nut of all this inquiry only one pas t of Wales was alluded to. Why that was the case he could not tell. The report from that district, however, gave such a statement of the destitute state of education, that he considered it binding upon her Majesty's Government to remedy the evil. There were 250,000 children in the principality of Wales, from the age of fourteen years downwards, who ought to receive education, and who were at present, in a great m asure, with. out the means of obtaining' it. He had received various letters on the subject, in one of which it was stated, that of the 25,000 children a very large proportion of them received no education, or of so inferior a description, it may be only. called nominal. That Gentleman states, that those 250,000 children had immortal souls, and they were left without the means of receiving a proper education. In Merthyr Tydvil, and four parishes in alonnaouthsh.re, con sisting of 85,000 inhabitates, he states, that the means for affording education in those parishes consisted of forty•seven schools, thirty-three of which were for children, and there remained 8,026 who received no education whatsoever. Many of these schools had masters who were themselves the most ignorant men, and, of course, were incapable of giving instructions to those under their care. Ile could give many proofs of what he had stated to the House, but he would not take up the time of the Hon. Members by reading more than one or two of the statements which he had received in confirmation of the state of education in. that portion of her Majesty's dominions. Sixteen of the masters of those schools were unsuc cessful in retail trades. Eleven masters were miners or labourers, and only ten had received any education with a view of becoming fitted for the instruction of youth. Four were dissenting preachers, and such was the mode by which at present the schools in Wales were governed. He states that the instruction afforded to the children of the labouring classes could not be expected to have much per manent effect, either in raising their habits or correct ing their dispositions. He found the greatest dis position among the people to avail themselves of instruction, and the district to which he had alluded, contained eighty Sunday schools, at which a large number of adults attended for several hours of the day, in order to be enabled to read their bible.—( Hear, hear.) He would refer the House to the statement of Mr. Tremaherne. In making his statement as to the mental destitution of the people, he said, the men engaged in the furnaces and in the mills got from 255. to 60s. a week wages. The miners and colliers got 219. to 255. ; the artisans 18s. to 245. ; and the commonest labourer 12s. to 18s. Now, what was the mental condition of that population, so physically will off? Mr. Tremaherne said scarcely one instance existed among those men earning 509. a week of any savings being made. lie sail that these men, industrious to the last degree, were so destitute of mental means of enjoyment that they ere obliged to resort to the pubic hous?, and there they spent their earnings. It might be askednis hat was the cause of all this apathy and indifference towards this people ? He could not answer the question; but it appeared to him snore than extraordinary to , perceive such indifference practised towards a nukes of people who needed so much mural, mental, and, he would add, physical improvement. He very much feared that some strong feeling of indifference prevailed amongst the gentry and landed proprietary of the country; and though there were, to his own knowledge, many most excellent and worthy Gentlemen amongst them, yet, he should adhere to what he had originally stated. He had no doubt if the landed proprietors were compelled, as were the gentry of Scotland at one period, to form schools in the various districts, that the outlay would be tenfold repaid them, not 111 alone by the improved habits, and superior manners e of the people, but also by the superior style of cultivation which they then would be certain to practice. He should state that there existed the most intense desire amongst the people of Wales to possess the means of acquiring a knowledge of the English language. In support of this he .begged to refer to the report of her Majesty's Commissioners appointed to inquire into the state of the principality of Wales. The Hon. Member then read an extract from the reports of the Committee appointed to enquire into the state of educa tion in North and South Wales, which set forth that the want of a knowledge of the English. language by the inhabitants of the principality was a great drawback to their improvement, as it prevented the proper working of the laws, the administra tion of justice, and threw great difficulties in the way of the exertions of the Church of England and its members. There were but few churches, and so low was the state of morals as to almost cripple individual exertions, the consequence was that many farmers and' their families were almost beyond the 'Tech of improvement. They also attributed the recent political excitement to the ignorance amongst the people. The report was signed by gentlemen of great influence, whose authority was sufficient to induce the House and the Government to - give the subject the earliest and f alest consideration. If he could induce her Majesty's Government and that House to confer upon the people of this country the benefits of a sound education, the beneficial results would be beyond calculation. He would now call the attention of the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State to the statements made by the gentlemen he had named. They said that the want of the knowledge of the English language, arising from a want of proper education presented the most serious obstacles to the administration of justice. It were impossible for him to furnish evidence more strikine of the consequences of the want of education than those statements appeared to be. If the House wished, he could multiply such - statements a hundred fold ; but he would just confine himself to two or three per sons who were well known to that House, and to the country, and who he was sure would receive that attention they deserved. He would beg leave to quote the opinion of a gentleman, who was in an especial manner worthy of their attention. He meant the gentleman who was -sent by the Times newspaper to Wales to inquire into the dis turbances which prevailed there some few years ago. He was in that country for a considerable period of time; he was a gentleman of high education, a barrister, and one who was peculiarly qualified for investigating into the condition of the people. He was the same gentleman who was lately sent to Ireland under the name of the Times' Commissioner, and who had sent to this country those very able reports which had -. appeared in the Tinzes. He meant Mr. Forster. The Hon. Member went on to read an extract from the reports which had appeared in the Times newspaper a few _years ago with respect to the disturb ances in Wales. That gentleman stated, that after a long sojourn in that country, he had found that the state of the education of the people was lamentably deficient, which was the main cause of the disturbances which had broken out, and that they were, in fact, completely destitute of that which led to improvement and civilisation—complete and sound education. He also stated that there could be no ex tensive, sound, and feasible plan of education, unless it were based upon the principle of making the • English lan guage the only means of communication.—( Hear, hear. ) The useful sciences, and indeed the whole principle of ad vancement depended' upon, the cultivation of the English lan guage. The Welsh people were well aware of this circum stance, and were exceedingly anxious to obtain the means of teaching their children English. This, he was convinced, was the only means which opened the road to promotion. He there fore thought that this was the only way to increase the pros perity of the country, and to reader the people permanently happy. He would now add to the testimony of this gentleman, other evidence of great importance. It was the testimony of a gentleman, distinguished alike from his high position, and for the extent of his attainments as a scholar, and his char acter as a man. He alluded to one high in the estimation of the Bench of Bishops. He meant the Bishop of St. David s. In one of his late charges that learned functionary had stated, for the instruction of his clergy, that it was a remarkable cir cumstance, which hail come to his knowledge, that several of the children of the Welh in the rural districts, from their knowledge of the English language, had been the main means of instructing their parents in the principles of morality and religion. He thought, therefore, that the utmost effort, should be made to extend the knowledge of the English lan guage throughout the whole of the Principality, for he believed it depended greatly upon this means of communica time being extended, e betties. the Welsh community advanced or retrograded in religiousknowledge. Now he (Mr, Williams ) thought that no better testimony could be given than this for the promotion of the English la- guage. All these circum stances combined to convince him, and to show that the only means of promoting extensive usefulness was the one which tne Learned Preltee had pointed out ; and he trusted that the same feeling which had been exhibi ed in these reports woule find a response within the walls of the House, and that it would be carried out to the remotest parts of the Unite Kingdom. The Hon. Member then proceeded to read another 1 statement, and he would state, as an apology for trewassine so long on the patience of this House, that it was the first time that this House had been called upon to consider the education in Wales. The statement to which the Hon. Member referred was written by a proptietor and editor of one of the leading journals in Wales, and who was intimately acquainted with the condition of the people of that country. and who had writtes, many articles in favour of establishing a better system of edu cation in that country. He had stated, when referring to the late •• Rebecca" disturbances, that such a violation of the law betokened the general state of uneasiness and disaffection in the ceuntry, and proceeded to say that if the people had been acquainted with the English language, and had had a proper education, instead of being, as they t hen were, a prey to designing hypocrites, with religion on their lips and wickedness at their hearts, they would be, from their geographical position, ana their great natural advantages, the best, the happiest, the most peaceful, and the most prosperous people on the face of the earth. He (Mr. Williams) considered these remarks as a strong evidence in favour of extending an improved system of education to that. country. The present state of education in Wales was well known, and when he saw these prOofs of the existing state of ignorance, hs was compelled to ask himself, ' what could these people be doing to allow themselves to re main in such a state? A great portion of the people of the Borth of Scotland and the north of Ireland, were in the same condition as the people of Wales. What would be the conse quence of an improved system of education ? What had Scot . land done for herself ? An Act was passed in 1833,' for esta blishing schools in Scotland. A tax was imposed upon the landowners to defray the expenses attending these schools, and hew well had they been repaid for their outlay. The prosperity of . that country was principally owing to the improved system of education which bad been- so successfully introduced. There were in that country an average of three schools to each parish. But not content with having done all that for the instruction of the people, they hail also appointed a Committee to inquire and report to the Council on Education as to the working of the system. Every means were taken to give effect to those ' schools that the Government could possibly adopt. Although he had always been an advocate for curtailing public expendi ture, yet he never on any occasion ceased to advocate the out lay of public money for the purpose of education in any part of the United Kingdom. Now, as he said before, the conse quence of the, system of education in Scotland had made the people of that country the most intelligent of any people in Europe, Let them talk to whom they would, they would hear it stated bow intelligent and how industrious were the Scotch. What had they done for Ireland? They had done for Ireland what reflected the highest credit on the Government. They had done that which, in his opinion, would re move many of the evils and the crimes which existed there, because they were of a social character and would be removed by education. He would jest relate to the House what had been done for Ireland. So early as, the reign of Henry VIII. an Act of the English Parliament was passed to establish schools in every pariah in Ireland. Subsequent Acts were passed in the reigns of Elizabeth, George 1., George 11., and George 111., but the system of education provided by those Acts being of a sectarian nature were con sequently unsuccessful ; but in 18C6 the Crown appointed a Commission to inquire into the funds and revenues granted by public bodies for the purpose of education, and also into the state of public schools in Ireland. Subsequent Commissions were issued, and their reports were submitted to a Committee of that House, and in the year 1831 a most extended system of education was founded on the report of that Committee, a system which has already produced the most beneficial results. Schools were immediately put into operation, and the result was that in the year 1841 nearly heir a million of poor Irish children were receiving the blessings of education ; and he had no doubt that in 1846 the amount was doubled. The Government established normal schools, which were attended by two professors, who gave lec tures on the art of teaching and conducting schools, in the English language, and in geography ; and there were now ex periments carried out 'which would unite the instruction of agriculture. Last year there was voted, for the building of three colleges in Ireland, the sum of 100,0001., and a further sum of 21,000/. for endowment, and. 26,0001. for the repairs of the College of illaynooth. It might be said that the clergy of Wales ought to provide for the education of the people. They were too poor to do so. In ten parishes in Carmarthenshire the tithes were 5,9351., and out of that 2,2261. went into the pockets of the proprietors, thus leaving only 7001. for the clergy of those parishes.--(Hear. ) He had seen a report of a meeting of clergymen in January last, for the purpose of education in Wales, in which they la mented that no feeling had been manifested by the laity for that object, and that all the money that had been subscribed had been ob ained from the clergy. He hoped that the House would not throw any difficulty in the way of his proposed in cpery. He did not wish the House to believe his single state ment. The most irrefragable testimony shall be furnished of the destitute state of the Welsh people with respect to educa tion, and of their strong desire to be properly instructed. If the landed proprietors were compelled to establish schools on their several estates, he (Mr. Williams) had no doubt that in a little time they would be amply repaid for their trouble and original outlay of expense. He had never conversed with any intelligent Welshman who did not bear testimony to the uni versal dearth of education among his fellow -countrymen. There existed no portion of this empire which was more at tached to the institutions and habits of the English than the Welsh people. It would excite the deepest sympathy and commiseration in that House, if he were to relate some of the circumstances that had occurred in Wales with respect to the administration of justice in that country. All the proceedings in the courts of law were conducted in the English language, which was a language that the people, to a very great extent, were unacquainted with. The judge charged the jury in English—the counsel addressed them in the same language —and the most farcical and some times melancholy occurrences frequently happened in conse. quence. He (Ur. Williams) had heard from one of the local magistrates that he had very frequently known the jury give a verdict in direct opposition to the evidetace of the witnesses and the direction of the judge. When the jury were asked why it was that they had given so strange a verdict, the reply was in variably that they did not sufficiently understand the English language to know exactly what was going forward, and there fore they considered it woule be advisahle to give the prisoner the benefit of their ignorance, and acquit him. A case had happened of a man convicted of a crime fur which he was sen tenced to be hanged. While the judge was passing sentence, the prisoner looked round and inquired what the judge was say. ing. When informed that sentence of death was being passed, the prisoner seemed astonished, and immediately declared that the witnesses had sworn falsely against him, which, after a further investigation, was discovered to be the fact. He (Mr. Williams) would trouble the House with one more circumstance. A person surrendered to take his trial for a felonious assault. On the jury being empanneled, it was notified to the Court that eleven of them did nit under stand English, up in which the judge observed that the twelfth juryman could explain the case to his brethren, and the trial proceeded. The counsel on both sides addressed the jury, and the judge summed up, and the result was that a verdict was returned against the prisoner, who was sentenced to be mai. prisoned for 4 months with hard labour. The next morning eleven of the jury said the/ were of opinion that the man was not guilty, and actually signed a memorial to that effect to be presented to the Secretary of State. He ( Mr. Williams) had not yet heard whether or not the man was discharged front cus tody. If there existed in this country any institution of which they were more proud than any other, it was in the adminis tration of justice; but here was a case which could not be paralleled in the proceedings of any other country. He did not wish to bring any charge against her Majesty's Govern ment. He was only saying that great neglect towards the Welsh people had been allowed to take place, which he trusted would in a short time be rectified. The people do not ask yoti - - to translate the laws into their langsagc. tut they rAlle, you to send the English schoolmaster among them t hat t i e may be enabled to understand the laws,.and be guided rigit'ri by them. Why, in the mos t d es p o tic States, Russia , is iP t , o s Prussia, and other nations, th e re existed a more effiesr,,ek• and general system of education than in this empire. ee 7 i , at our neighbours, the French people. They comml ha te 1830 under their present enlightened sovereign, a tablie t continued progressively until the present period to es h oe an unequaled system of education. This sear theyl o g voted upwards of 700,0001. for the purpose of educetiot a w ee the people, while we have voted only /3,0001. for °lv -sit purpose. If the schoolmaster had been sent into eYe l Y i i- of of Wales there would not have been found any eonir a d t ho not understanding the administration of the law s, Welsh people would not have been placed in the laws,. goS set a position described by the Bishop of St. David's, that th:gio. destitute alike in religious instruction and in moral kno oo„hle Mr. MORRIS was of opini on th a t it was highly °"ii ta that the English language should be more generallY, l l, tea Wales, especially as there was now every pro4pect or b countries becoming more intimately connected frfli n os a leo mutual intercourse being increased. - The only grant in to fsr educational purposes consisted of the paltry sum of *l - a re the college of St. David's. When he considered th e o t hee . amounts which had been gi ven fo r a s imilar purfon et to neighbours, he did thi n k th e W e l s h people were entitledda larger participatio n i n th e b ene fit s which education " confer. tent° Sir J. GRAHAM did not intend to trespass on the at •ect of the House at any length, nor was he disposed to oh e es , the general principle as stated by the Hon. Member• the tirely agreed in the sentiment that the establishment of national system in Ireland had been a most happy . eire n o m hels• It was true that the Scotch owed the high poaition t i l' e si ) e sti/ to their education, and he considered that it would ten"o7.e es' to further the administration of justice in Wales if a r il oi t here. tended knowledge of the English language was introd jar He did not consider that the Hon. Gentleman had n o ° poi rice to the efforts of Government to promote educatiouS, their the Welsh. After the year 1839, the Government felt4 s of duty to direct their special attention to the moral conaltie'ossr the people in that district, and it had been their earnes` a, 001 your ever since to secure, especially to the working el asse ;tend; benefits which it was admitted would arise from an ob s s bes, education. A national system of education had been es' a ; e s tits' in England, Ireland, and Scotland, and he would to " ao psie; it could also be extended to Wales. Bui, he would not " l i e d , That House would accomplish such aas ished-for event. . 0 , ass, 'ennsider, however, that a sectarian or separate ed ueati far preferable to having none at all. In the very district &coo, to by the Honourable Member, after the report of thebsOol mittee of Council had been received, there had been e st : t obte rl no less than eighty-five schools, and a sum of 10,0 00/. " 00 1° granted for the purposes of education. What he wou ld Pti3 two would be that a'Committee of the House should send frill t would be that a'Committee of the House should sefl' l , the inspectors to inquire into the best means of instructio n li.e English language, and that they should report. to th e u sse without delay ; the House could then pursue what e ° s ir might.. deem most proper. For his part he w b a : cincerely impressed • with the conviction of t o , s at importance of the subject introduced ; " - sort!, therefore most anxious that some means could be l a d 01!' t for carrying out the proposed object. He ss e e t ou lao: that the education should not be merely secular. oss„'" sever the secular from the religious. The difgenV oat r reconcile the two. It was a difficulty which he fei" t oattil would not despair even to the latest moment of lifeo lo st . Government should ' absolutely fail in the seem:oo°ot such an object. If, therefore, the Hon. Member scOlie° coda'_ _, draw his motion he would pledge himself that the G ° t oe 5 , should immediately send an inspector to report ur n rt means of effecting the proposed object, and his rep ° be without delay placed upon the table of the House' o , o o l° Mr. WILLIAMS would at once consent to the Pr sfi r t whil e the Right Hon. Baronet, but he would remind Walt" l i o n seal , - 235,0001. were granted for the purposes of - e-so e r ear England and Wales, only 2,6761. reached the district sented, though it contained neatly half a million ° e l I I While Staffordshire, with something about the .se to laden, received 14.0 SOL o y Mr. WYNN considered he would not be doing' the landed proprietors in Walesif he did not bear hi',tet.srf, to their exertions in extending education to the resioe n b o theirs property. In North Wales he could state, front thre e ' knowledge that there was not a parish without vs° tesisisr, 'schools. The exertions of the clergy 'of the s ,„ ra tiff o le i Church was beyond all praise, and they were, it cra g rig to state, efficiently .seconded by the Wesloans, Bated, Dissentere. In some parishes the schools were l i do n did not know of one in which 'there was any is°s t fes+ed against particular religious opiniots • tol l' Mr. WYSE rose and said that he was reieieo- fes s . there was such a desire for eduCation in Waleso g d ' 0at; 0 . rejoiced that the Gavernment were anx in n s to Ire' asp sire. Ho had experience in his ow e country o f t he tages of education in the imp r oved h a bits of the Pl o ts t lf, formeoperiods that anxiety wa s not so m uch . felt. 1 1 1 peoP.4 benefits of education were bey ming known' to t ! Ire a; and although the advantages of imp r oved edueatien:lt fully developed, in about ten years they would oe th is e i tt e: was not inferior, but that she wa s s u pe r ior, to any °I e ` e ' try in education. The f u ll b en efi ts were no t yet An be ba b e° , but in a short time it would appear in the itnr, or Pie o f the people—in their greater regard ,- s oo w. perty, in their greater respect for truttb d their improved habits of -industry, morality, l o t °T o , He remembered when the question of education way a qtle'' I in that House, in the year 1831, that it was thee - eop le• tif whether edncation was a benefit or an evil to the. -coon itr would be a great anomaly and disgraeeful to ts j f r o when every other portion of Europe had recogn lse oe sfic e o cis le, and the necessity of giving an education to the 4 o i h t a sound system of morality, that the subject silt a ter 4 , with the warmest support from her !Majesty's Ill'i n ottes o ss the discussion which formerly took place, it was ad oat o`,,s a necessity existed to promote education bY ur' as oo Members of the House. Though he did notlaY fixed or general rule that there should be a mined ed ke eo°; to e every country, still he thought that the right to Ins to iteS et , .ions for the purposes of mutual conciliations otq h , t oa t e fo ll all parties to come to an arrangement na "' te a s; O 3 where divided interest and divided religion o ' l o o 0 opposite feeling between the Catholic anti the Protes t or ts he for one hoped that there would be a school in W r i t iee i ! t s Neal to its population. The State made it itoPe r . a nw ers tl e every man should be informed, because • it - made it 11,00 that every one should know the la w ; an d witheut g. a co o' d , was hard for them to know the l a w, a nd thereby a men d t° t he ting crime. It was incumb en t on ever y . GoverW e i n o t od iof vance education, and he could perceive that the fee t '', l e country was gradually advancing towards a grew conciliation. The motion was then withdrawn. jbf 'THE CHARTIST CONVICTS: • s i g n Mr. T. DUNCOMBE rose t o present a pe tition. ;of' 822 respectable tradesmen, artisans, and househeld er , : "Jen o ,ol for the liberation of the c o n v i c t s F ros t, Williams, ost"o s o; o 'st Sir G. -STRICKLAND p resen t e d a s imilar petibusokis also one signed by the merchants, shopkeepers, of' weavers, cordwainers, and s pi nners o f P res t o n. 401 ; prsa' ti'Mr. Mr. FIELDING presented a petition with a ;2 19 /tb 9 Mr. T. DUNCOMBE again rose, and prese nte i „aeOl. tions, very numerously signed, praying for the r e i : s on a r tlr/ Chartist convicts. It would be, the Hon. Ge n i t ,i -i ree" os e too tedious to enumerate them all, but be sc° l2 ; si eltov names of a few of the' principal petitions fi , o - - 0 11 10 4 , from Exeter, from Bath, from Dundee, ' ,f re- oi oui t o 'iP f from Newport, from -altos Granby, uni- ,1 b e joo °. from the town of Leedsether 249 petitions ! a s i sOO , t o b e safely say that they represented the feelings of ;_sloi their fellow-subjects. He begged to call the attecried b.,01.' House to one petition in particular, which wa g 51 ' o 0 0 1 ne 4 ,, of the inhabitants of Abergavenny, as-among,' th e :oci six of the jurymen who tried Frost, William that the'srerl The 'person who subscribed that petition states tu„" t heY sa e the only six of the jurymen that he ,' o rs fully signed the petition. Three more of the dead, and two he could not find, and the remoi f ii i y root t° could not write. They did not attemt to .1 1. tr, petition the conduct of those men—but s they staYiingninot t:st,,°' the state of the country at the time, and examples before them, they were humbly of "" Chartist convicts should be liberated like 4 ,, h er r e ;hic , If he could receive the slightest intimation that tenting 0/ would undergo a favourable attention—the gl e e ir ° o t tr they demanded on the part of the Government-loots to say one word, but leave the question of those -P et C° . P Government ; feeling that due justice would be ses uiri"Sis 4 ant with the sound policy which such a derision ibst e , the Government could give him any assurance °sing the he would willi ng l y d es i st f rom t h e tas k' of br in e ed it' beforeSi the Hou. - r JAMES se GRAHAM said, that Oen. his feel' would send in his stat emen t, be would le if the let hint " o " n ot t i b e V on the subject. cootie' he f t Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that it was 5 ire ' 0 r cumbent that the House of Commons should 4i ' ee sse 6 o ole alleged grievances of petitioners. There were som en ii a r l ,r the House ought to interfere, and there were r e s , and): the stances which justified Members for interferin: tiougotoel Hewed the present was one of that kind, and h igh tow el House was bound to do so from the manner in w ha t e verl were tried. In the first place, he thought t . ; - , e d tb, e to or i ,s'e had been taken to induce the Government to e "", - ea r tri` s ors' of the Crown to those misguided persons. Last sion s os e ' without end passed through his hands to the Rig o i the tins! Baronet for the purpose Of. toeing laid at the f°°! o - at ige° le P,l The Governme n t did no t t h en f ee l t hemselves onto f r el s , to e ceding to the prayer of th e p e titioners. He f o oking s od ° o state that Government wou ld be justified, trie d, to offence for which the parties were tried and e° fi no Flse t ei tb e e circumstances- under which that conviction to sound .° 0 ( dr o once granting a free pardon, which ,would re s°oo,atirerosPi credit and their sense of mercy in using the petar d esfiorsisj Crown. He thought that there was a very g ei ? f a ct ° e 0'1; i of public feeling on the subject, and that it w as W oils so ; throughout the country with reference to these mason 0 6 . 0 0, 00 now ask, what was the reason of that widely -ei t e t n a ros e als il o He believed that it aro s e from two causes : i f the pvi:e tot doubt that existed in the minds of four-fifths 0 .. S st tbm eg e , ' o of the count r y, th a t th e co n viction had ag a t ie s ioub!_ st was not altogether fair. That there was grF s ao d to oss o a t 0$15 0 : ; ; PA ; e0 )1 ing their conviction was universally admitteaeek, was not alone felt amongst the people, buta lawyers themselves. Of the fifteen ju g it w as o_ s too, point raised was referred, six were, of opiniOo oti o bef it e a , while nine decided otherwise, if the objection d ° ,,,oth ier e s in time. He had not • the slightest fault to find di d O bit ps i, ner in which the trial was conducted; arol a ° wea l t h , 1 0 0 duce the subject with any party feeling, a e n o u_ sioo• d bl pe would not be entertained during this dis S s i g ns ‘oce s t , Lions which he had presented were generally srol?_ ° A, parties and all classes, and many signed the'7 l . jo t tlf sty tO 4 , and charitable motives. He had also to say , he ir t" 0 050, of the Crown on that occasion perforrnoecsi t b o - t he pi,. 0 ,0%, manner which did honour.to themselves .4,sat to which they belonged. He also a dmitt,c'_ n i . " Geo-'` : t l were most ably defended by the Right 1-1° 03 .1 th en t he posite, and by the Chief Baron on t he e to:11,o s well known that a point was resers_l'dooer was referred to the fifteen Judges, who tithes „v i r'7 l , 6 , 7 point. He might as well state what io l , n_g oa P t t he W or poi S jt was reserved, although he did not think ehe p ) it, for hter'' tleman present would require to know of., making p a defence against similar char l e tter Poo was this, that, according to • the r gset r i : e s t h trea . s .o t, eir law, when any penson is indicted fo v Atoe- A be °. st necessary that a list should be given of .t e °,7 onot 5h 41 6 , 0 r4 s t particular period when copies of the blot Li" I, vered to the parties indicted. in saying that copies of the indictment we ee . s . d. _ hat 01 the same time when the indictment was re T od o f tar but Or s: the indictment was furnished on Thursdlk: „bieet ve ?al a i ; Tuesday. No lawyer had any doubt on the d tbat th e g ood ° s o , both must be delivered at one and thesans, e obj ecti o d was reserved, and six of the judges t . _ t i t sval The ..d, was fatal to the trials, and nine decidot r i , n o s . „ o. Tn_ s Now, lie berleieveeedt hoeishcolcoof valid, but that it was not made I 0 . 77 0 01? r oe a ro D ir j :° A n b s h s o poi ipee r ene nine positively deciding that What coon•dasietthewaospineeioenditoafbltehtco C h h is ie t f h h earlt tre, ode!: equally so to his understanding. Supko tt ` rne ,_,c ; re oeric t ; come before the Chief Baron at the present :_ , A 5 Sir as ven n o would be of the same opinion es het% oo wo uld be tb a : C/o w e e ti at Pollock, and the opinion of the Judge p ,_ so a t sow: , seven. Were the trial to have t a ken aeg i_74,,o, k w eo folfr4,, Bench the prisoner must have been o t ba d been the G era' said said the Judges ?—that if the objectio. snde d . n io it would have been good, and must 7. a e to , in Ili s s Z o i tall e h P o sis Lord Brott-° on had . °' o otdoo n olf Lien of the unhappy oleo, So that nothing the p prevented their being liberated. /