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JIG: MilVI/TES EVIDEA C 11:, • TAKEN 13hFORE THE , COMNIITIEE OF 141 E, WHOLE HOUSE, HOM IT WAS it i;rtnß LB, TO CONSI- - . D3E-OF THE VVEPAL PETITIONS, %%HIGH HAVE BEEN PRE:SE.NTBD TO T 1313 }MUSE OF COMMONS, IN THIS SESSION 01' T, AGAINST THE 011DE1tS IN COUNCIL. 11ercurij, 2.9. dit-..Aprilis, 1812. THOMAS BABINGTON, Esq. , in the-Chair. '[Cortintied from our Paper of Yesterday.] Do i ) 1 you ►snow tital for mans years. Ca,t, they have employkd convicts in America in nianufaatur ing nails ?-4. do not know •that ; I think. I have beard mention of convicts being cmployel in the t irannt.Oorici of North America, but I never heard in y. hat bianches they were employed : I haveheard that many manu!aaurers'of England love emigrat ed to America within the last three or four years ; they have emigrated as sailors, or have gone to our North American . Colonies, from which they havelound an easy passage to the United States of Amcrica. - What kind of machinery., is that you speak of,. that they have erected in America, for the maua faure of nails ?—A kind of stamp machinery, not tiltoget her a pefeci machinery, : but a machinery Ca pable of being made perfect, ' aria capable of super seding, as I baize been informed, all mechanical la. hour, that is to say, that there shall be no more nails made with hammers. . Do not you know that that machinery was set tip in Awer,ica so far back as, 1801 have heard of attempts to set up that machinery, it was attempted to be set up as far hack as 1801, but I never heard that they bad brought it to any SUCCeSS till within the last three or four years; I have always consider ed. that it was scarcely possible for the Americaps to-erect any kind of machinery in years of open in ' tercimr , e, cansa the perfetaion of machinery and the division of labour is such in England it is,an.im mense check upon the ere ion of manufaetories in America in years of open intercourse; but. ever since the intercourse has been interrupted, .enccu ragement has been given to the erection of machi nery in the United States. What check was there to that open intercourse in the . year 1801 ?—I ready do not recollect.. • What period of interruption has there been since, in your judgment, to had to the employment of ca pital in that way Within. the last four or five years, I think r recollect at least three public Acts of the American Government, ,prohibiting. inter - course, or at least prohibiting the introduction : of British manufacture into the United States of Ame rica. Haye you heard of such Acts as the permanent system- on • the part of America have never heard that the Americans, had adopted any perma nent system brit I h,ve great reason to believe that the Americas will be obliged to adopt a permanent system with regard-to certain branches of •manu facture, inasmuch as when they have permitted - their citizens to erect turnacei and to•erect manufactories, it becomes a bounden duty to protect those manu facturers, and not 'to suffer their property to be thrown away by the re-introduction of British ma nufactures: Then you do not mean to state that it was the actual interruptim of intercourse, but the specula tion of a permanent system to lakp place- hereafter, that led to the erevtion of this machinery certainly dd not altogether mean thin ; i did mean that the interruptions that have taken place in the intercourse b.-: vr een . the twocountries, did give great encouragement and great hopes to the citizens of the United States of America. - How long in point of fact do you calculate that that intercourse ceased ?—The total non-intercourse 11 - ,,s been only since the 2d of February 18 I I ; there was once or twice a total non-intercourse before, but it lasted only for a few months. Do you think it was expected by the citizens of America to last more than that time ?—Undoubtedly it might be expected ; bur, whether it was expected or not, the great price to' which the articles naturally arostk, would be a strong premium to manufacturing exertion in the United States. .Do you mean-to say, then that the prices of •tliose manufactures actually rose - =to a great extent in America ?.--Certainly, in the United States of Ame rica. . . . At what period ?—I rather think before the td of Feb. t3ll-; but I have never heard since, that, what prices British manufactured - articles bring w 'the United States of America. I concitder that the manufactures of England, which have been sent to 'the United States of America, are now supplied by the manufactures of the Continent to as great an extent as they can be. Imight also state s that the manufacures of England, which have been sent to our Northern Colonies, with a view to being intro duced into the North American States (which they Were during the last non-intercourse) have fairtd, and that Briti,h manufactured goods can - now •be bought in Canada at less than prime cost. Then you cannot state with certainty any time at whiCh this increased price of British mann lac tiles in America took place ?—I cannot. Nor what the advance in -price was ?—Certainly not. Are you sure o; the fact believe the fact ; I know that in consequende of that fact very great ex ertions were betowed, in endeavouring to smuggle British, goods into the United Sttktes of America, and large 'sums of money were obtained by that smug gling ; how far the thigh .price of British goods in Atoctica,Willl justify it now I do not know, but Ido know that ,the difficulties if smuggling them into America are sogreat; that scarcely any profit would justify a prudent man in attempting It. America also, you state, has been,supplied fro* the Continent of Europe ; with what articles ? I, .teally_cannot state with what articles; I presurbe those thanufactures of the Low Countries and Ger many; - and in some measure, of France, which in some re,pects resemble the manufactures of Great Britain. a.) you include the menufaaures of Birming ham ?—To clriain ement. What manor:taw - es ?--Hardwares of every de scription, aho brass-foundry ; but upon these par ticulars I am Lot competent to answer very col - - rettly. ' Is the Cemmitlee to linler4snd that th-tse arri cies have bee orteki cheaper from .the continent of Europe tb y could from England ?—I Arnold conc-ive consi ably c:eaper, though subjcet to the war .insurance ; but certainly . not such valu able cnanuta6tures, infinitel worse in workman ship. What do you suppose the as the ten tion to America to import then ?—NeiNessity. Do you mesn to state then, that prior to Febtu ary 1811, there was an aaual scarcity in America of British manufactures, long enough to ep:i6le them to obtain a supply from the continent of Europe ? —I have heard, and believe, that previous to Feb, ruary 1811, though itnmense exertions were made in England to supply thet markets of the United States of America with hardwares and other articles of British int:wartime, there was no probaoility of the inatket in the United States of America being overstocked; that the demand was greater than could be supplied. Was there not in the year 1809„duting the -. ex ,istenee of Mr. Ertkine's atiangement in Aoterica,' and before that arrangenieni, and the in ercoiorse that followed upon it ceased, a- free intercourse be-, tween this country and America for the exportation of British goods )—I really do nOt - recollect that particular : it may be proper for me to.remark, that I never engaged, in the export of these goods to America, further than sen:sing out steel there' to be sold - by commission ; but I have never been in the habit - of purchasing goods to be sent to America; therefore there is reason to believe that I cannot re collect the minute particulars of that trade. Then you cannot even recollect whether for a pe riod of several mOoths, in consequence of that at - , ranyment, there wls a free export tram this coun try to America rather think there was an ex port immediately after that, as tat as my memory series me; if there was not an export, there was a hope of one ; but I think there was an export. What then in your opinion at that period raised -the price of British 'goods in - the American mar ket ?--Certainly nothing but the scarcity of 13 titiih goods. • [To be continued.] bwgh, evciy requisite voucher of the General-. Governor's letter,- and of the ill treatment he had sutained. Your Petitioner, on 'his arrival at St. 1 1- etersburgh, • found it necessary, in behalf of his injined re:,ota lion, to impeach General Fiiister, the Military • Governor of Archangel, to Count Kotzebue, the Nlinisier ofJu,tice, , on three to wit :•••••• tat. For having sintAioned Mr. Solomon' Van Brieneo in an improper oath, knowing it to be so. . FOr haring written an untrue account of the affair to Sir Stephen Shairpe, his Majesty's Consul, for the pin ose'of preventing justice. 3d. For causing him to.be thrown into a loath some military .prison, for the purpose of extorting front him a...sum of money, with a view to colour the transaMion, and thereby pave the - way to a, jug- tificalion of his own - cooduLl, and that of others.. 'Count 'kotzebue had the matter investigated through the Chief• Government Court at Archangel, and finding e'ery allegation to be correct, he furnish ed your Petitioner with a document -to be carries into the Senate, - together with 1114 complaint, and vouchers, for the purpose of obtaining an indemni lioation for his sufferings, according to law.. , The affair afterwards went into the Senate through Lord Gower, by vittue of an Imperial Ukase. That although your Petitioner's case was irre futable, yet the Senate, instead of answering to your Petitioner's complaint, Or redressing his griev ance's, patronized the proceedings, and - in conse quence had your Petitioner arrested and imprisoned on various erroneous al:egations, the erroneousness of which their own Courts were afterwards obliged to furnish official testimony; after having tortured your Petitioner for a series of years, sometimes by closely confining him in a •lodtbs . onle prisotyat others condemned to a dungeon, to be kept on bread and water, often marched publicly through the City with gangs of .felons and criminals of the wort description, and even then by the boose of his Aijestit's rt•si , gent ; at bestihe iA as never suf fered to go out but like a person under serious cri minal arrest, and was the obje& of attention, not only, of all the Foreign Ministers resident at the Court, but of the public at large, to the, great dispa `ragement of his Majesty's Crown, and the heart rending humiliation of himself . Through the whole.ccrarse of . these proceedings your Petitioner made innumerable- applications to the'Consul and Ambassador for an appeal ,to -the Emperor on such a national disgrace, and was not . only uniformly rejeted, hut the ConSul went so far as to assert the proceedings to be-right. - Thu without having offended any law; either civil or criminal, and withciut having initifc-dariy individual, it 'this manner was your „Petitioner ban- . oicd trout one prison. to another, through the various Ministrations of Lord Granville Gower, Mr. Stuart, the Mai quis of Douglas, and Lord Granville Levesob Gower's second Embassy, and two years subsequent thereto. . . That during this period a dispute'happened be— twixt a Capt.• Gardener, cif Hull, and the Captain of the guard-ship, on a squabble of only two roubles for pilotage, which trifling, affair was:carricd to the 'Emperor n.o less than four times by his Majesty's Minister within the space 'of two months, while your Petitioner's case was Eedulously supptessed, al though the honour of both COUGIriCS• was mateilally concerned in the issue. . • That previous to .Lord Gower qnitting St. Peters-. burgh the last , time, your Petitioner waited upon his Lordship, and also uon Sir Stephen Shairpe, urg ing the nationality of the case, and, praying for 'an, appeal to the Emperor, as both law and justice re quired, when your Petitioner was, for the last time, positively denied; through Mr. Rick . , his Lordship's Secretary, who said' his Lordship could not do it. Thus both the Consul and. Ambassador left St: Pe tersburgh, leaving your Petitioner the object of per secution, without any aid whatsoever. At length the Senate, bring tired of its owp proceedings;your Petitioner was furnished with a pass to quit Russia in Odober, 180 D, „which ate Was a declared judg ment in your Petitioner's favour, and _a proof that the Senate must have revoked tts own Ukase.: That on your Petitioner's return to England, he made a representation of his case to the Marquis Wellesley, furnishing ihe original Itrissian Ukases, and other vouchers, confirming thp truth• of every allegation bete stated, praying redress. . That your Petititioner's case and documents were investigated by his i Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, and found to be pettedly correct. That in consequence of the peculiar and over whelming hardships of the case, combined with its nationality, your Petitioner Was inducecrto ap ply to the Lords of hiS Majesty's Treasury for re lief, which relief their Lordships were unable to grant. That your Petitioner, by-his long•continued series of cruelty and oppression,• 'has not only had his health and reputatiOn materially injured, with the loss of his business, but his_ whole property has been absorbed in supporting the eipencei,, -and making good the consequences of the proceedings, leaving him at present cocsideraniy.involved. That your Petitioner pleciges himself th prose at the Bar of your HonOurable House, th,-tats stated to this his humble Petition; if he-shall be rerinitted so to do. . • • Your Petitioner humbly conceives, that having undergone suck a series of persecution, solely can account of his having applied for. redress for thenjOry sustained by the letter of General Forster, the Gtverner-General of I\rchabge4 - ' to •Sir 'Stephen Shairpe, hereinbefore - stated., he preshmes it renders the affair of national impo! t, ns such--and that the Consaand AMbassador fraying negleaed pnd de clined-interfering is his beltalj with the Emperor, Which your Petitioner is of opinion they ought .to have done, your Petitioner - therefore humbly thinks,. that in justice he is entitled to satisfailion for the damage!he has. sustained from the Government of this country. - 1 • Your Petitioner, therefore, most humbly prays your Honourable House to take into its con sideration your Petitioner's case, - and record - - pence your Petitioner for the losses he has ac tually sustained, in conicquence of the circum stances hereinbefore stated, with a compensa tion for his personal suffering, as your Ho nourable House may judge right and proper. And your Pqtitioner a iii Cvdr pray, &c. &c. 81 3 JOHN BELL:LNG:I4Ig. Loi don, All. zB, 181 z 1 (Copy--No. r.) Whitehall, Feb. ES, lgif• am direEted by Mr. Secretaiy Ryder, i° acquaint oi:1,11)at your Petition to his Royal 1-ligiv ness the Prince Regent, has been teferred,,by command of his Royal!mess, for the, consider'i` tion of the Lord; of hi-, 7,Lijesty's Most Ho - nonfat- 0 Privy Coutscil.—l am, Sir, Your most obedient bumble Servant, J. Becn.gyr, folin Bellingham, Esq. (Copy --2.) wbirehali, March g , 1 811. SSIR--I am dire6led b , y Mr. Secretary ityder , '° acquaint von, that your Petition to his tress the Prince gegenr," praying that he 'would 0 ' Pleased to order your Memorial; therein inclosed' addresSed to the House orCotrunOns, to be brought, before.Parlimment, has .been laid before his /UP Highness i and tliat he was not pleased to s i s niff any commands thereupon. Your Memorial tb the House of Cornmoe s ' accordingly herewith teturned:-1 am, Sir, Your most obedient, humble Servant, BECICETr. John Bellingham, Eici: CIRCULAR TO THE MEMBERS OF PARLIA,MEST) CLOSING THE ABOVE. 1 SlR—Having suffered in a most unpreceden te ' manner, for a period of six years, in Russia—on Nit retort).two years ago, . I made a representation the case to the various departments of _his MajetilY Government, and in January fast I applied , for i r e ; chess, by Petition, to his Royal Highness the Regent, who was graciously pleased to relcr " f ;• affair to his Majesty's Most 'HOnoutable • Council—(See .Letter' No. I.)—The C dined to -ad in the business upon which I quested an official copy cifTtheir Lordships' de cv stun, and was answered rbY the Cleric of the Co lit : e cil, it could not be. complied with. In consequc t % I renewed my application .to his Royal Highness • Prince Regent, accompanied by the incloivd to the .House of . Commons, praying his 11 , 0 1 _ 14i g, 1 :1 ries% that as the affair is phrely national, he %o l io .be graciously pleased to direa my complaint t' , brought before Parliament—to which Pe.:ition e• ceived the Answer (No. 2.)Or' Inving borne the weight of this unihipPY a ( in, abroad, for a series of years, iniarnanifold waY": 4 l my return horne,•l• had the mortification to /jou affairs gOne•to ruin—my .property sold up-- 01 Y. cr e, rnily clis!raaed, and., suffering in the twist 61;c` of manner by the .inevitable ruinous . cons,•cfuenc e4 , e y my. detention---and for the preceding two year" had not been able; to ascertain . whetht.,r I ty' s s tep or deal, Since my return I have not wlk bcou reaved•of a fivtlier property (bequeetheti sence), to make-good the' consequences of tbIS ness, 'but:am now considerably inve-lvett--- X 1,4 s has it- proved. Ties eireurn,tattc-d, I tin--t 1 0 0 be pardoned in• addressing the House of (.3 , A l '';` .o ' individually," in the hope that; bri, the behalf . ter:a! justice;..sotne Member will do 'rut to 'bring forward my said just Petition---as C °l r - e e't, . jUstice-is all I solicit, and what every onek.vill pc onz i kt to have, more especially_ as.my , the last eight yeqrs have r been almost too gre' hutnan nature to sustain. „ler' In ,soliciting your kind aid, I bcg to lye u L i tLl' stood, that it is far from my intention, by tbr s co tt i . dress, to complain of any party whatever, beit vincrd that , in no country upon eorth is jt l6 ' 0 .6 purely adMinistered as in this; and justice I aL ,'- t ll ,l I shall have, so soon as the affair is known I.° ct e Tribunal where alone it can be taken.prO er nuance of. bri With assurance that my sole wish is t° ' what is right, without prejudice to any inci;vi(l have the honour to be, Sir,/ your very hu:oble obedient servant, 11/sfr JOHN BELLING- No. 9, New NTlllrnan.strecr , March 12, iBl2. • o f We understand that POARES, O G ve 4 g heite, ha offered to cede that island + 0 : 1 ,6 0 ' nor M.W.QUARRIE, on account of the Ori" 9 vernrrieot. lac e The Drawing of the State Lottery took r ti ,.. e - Ishorsday, the 30th ult. at Coopers' ' loving Capital Prizes were -Sold and °` /- 0 - itic ° Mews. 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OF COM MONS,O F THE UNITED K1NG.00,7,1 OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND IN VARLIANIEN AS ' SLAIBLE p, TH HUMBLE PETITION'OF JOHN BELLINGHAM, OP, LIVERPOOL, MERCHANT, SHEWETH, Z hat in the year 1804, you' Petitioner went from . this country to Archangel, in Russia, for mercantile purposes and haVing dispatched his - vessels and all his oilier affairs there, your Petitioner took out his Penosnick from the Governor General- on the 15th - of November in the ame year, for the purpose of returning home by the way of St. Petersburg!). That as your Pet , tioner was on the verge of de parture, he was seized, dragged out of his Kabitky, and thrown into prison, in consequence of an affi davit of a person named Solomon Van .Brienen, de claring your Petitioner to be indebted to himself and others a sum of money, when no such circumstance did, or ever had existed. Your Petitioner declares, that this Mr. Solomon , Brienen was one of the owners .of a Russian ship, called the Sojus, that was- wrecked the preceding - autumn in the White Sea ; and that ,he committed this perjury with a view to obtain an irregular insu rance our of Lloyd's.Cotfee,House on the said vessel, on the supposition that your,Petitioner had commu nicated the circumstances attending her loss to Lloyd's, which he never had done.; the truth where of, all parties were-afterwards convinced by the re sult of inquiries from London. . . Had the supposition regarding your Petitioner proved true, this masked detention was intended to ,be dropped, and he was to have been Prosecuted for the amount of the insurance oo the Sojus, which the Underwfiteys at Lloyd's refused to pay. It so hap pened that ,Mr. Popoff, another of the owmrs of the Sojus, was Mayor at the time, and, by virtue of his office, President of the Magistracy : in this way the Magistrates took cognizance of so extraordinary a proceeding.. So unhappily circumstanced, your Petitioner wrpte the particulars to Sir Stephen Shairpe,.as also to bord Granville Levison Gower, His Majesty's Consul and Ambassador at St. Petersburgh, praying their interference to obtain an order for him to pro ceed on his• journey without further molestation. To which application Sir Stephen Shaiype replied— He bad by that post w:itten to the General Gover nor of Archangel daring your Petitioner might be imMediately liberated, it not legally detained. Some weeks passed on without any thing being. done : your Petitioner applied again to both' Consul ?ud -Ambassador; to which application Sir ,Stephen Shairpe- answered—" That the General Governor had replied to this letter, stating your 'Petitioner to have behaved very indecorously, and that' he was legally detained."—=Vhen the fact is, he was pa tronized by Mr. Van Brienen in the proceedines be fore stated. Lotd Gower also replied to your Peti tioner's application, saying, “ That, in conie , quence of what the General Governor had written to Sir Stephen Shairpe, he- was precluded from making application in his behalf ; but-, if .your titioner could bring fOrWard any proofs of irregu larity in the business, he would then as as the, case might require." I'he proeeedings,Avere of snimpure a nature, and of such , public notoriety, that the. Procurer of Archangel immediately after this correspondence, reported to the Minister of Justice. at St. Peters burgh, " That your Petitioner was extremely ill used, and that he was illegally detained." It appeared after wards that Sir Stephen Shairpe read the said Report at Prince Lapuchin's„the Mi nister of Justice, on its arrival at St. PetersbUrgh, but of which Report no notice was ever taken ;- and; although your yetitioner rnatie subsequent and fre quent applications to the Consill ,and Ambassador, yet'not the smallest answer was- ever returned' to his entreaties. The Procurer also forwarded a copy of his Report to Prince Lapuchin, but with no be;ter success. After a durance of silt months, your Petitioner was l'berated, when he proceeded to St. Peters- ~a a