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NOTICE is hereby given to all Persons de sirous of contradting to supply the following Articles for the Use of the Army. viz.:— BREAD-...T0 his Majesty's Land Forces in Cantonments, Quarters, and Barracks, in the under•mentiuned Counties up I and lilands Bedford, Berk: (including the Town of Hungerford), Ber• wick, Bricki, Cainbridge Oncluding the Town of Newmar k el), Chester, Cornwall, (including Scilly), Cumberland, by, Devon, Dorset, 'Durham, Essex (exclusive of Fort), Gloster (including the City of Bristol), Hants, Hereford, Hertford, Hunts, Isle of Man, Isle of Wight, Kent (including Tilbury Fort in the County of Essex), Lan caster, Leicester, Lincoln, Middlesex, Monmouth, Norfolk' Northampton, 'Northumberland, Nottingham, Oxford, Rut . ( land, Salop, Somerset, Stafford, Suffolk, Surrey►, Soma, Warwick, Westmorland, Wilts, Worcester, York, North and South Wales, and in the several Counties in North Britain. As also Bread to the Household Troops in London and its Vicinity. OATS, to his Majesty's Cavalry in Cantonments and Quar ters, in the under-mentioned Counties : Bedford, Berwick, Bucks, Cambridge, Chester,. Cumber land, • Derby, Durham, Gloucester, Hereford, Hertford, Hunts, Leicester, Lincoln. Monmouth, Oxford, Rutland, Salop, Stafford, Westmoreland, Wilts, Worcester, North and South Wales. FORAGE, vix.—OATS, HAY, and STRAW—To his Ma• jesty's Cavalry and Artillery Hones in Barracks, and Oats, in Cantonments and Quarters, in the s onder .mentioned Coun ties in South Britain : Berks, Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Essex, Hants, (including the Isle of Wight,) Kent, Lancaster, Middlesex, Norfolk, Northampton, Northumberland, Nottingham, Somerset, Suf folk, Surrey, Suseex, Warlleick, York. And in the several Counties in North Britain. That the Deliveries are to commence on and for the 25th day of April next; that Proposals in writing., sealed up and marked, " Tender for Army Supplies," will be received at this Office on or, before Tuesday, the MU day of March next, but-none will be received after Twelve o'clock bn that Day. oposals must be made separately for each : County ex .saipt fur the Comities comprising North and' South Wales, all of which must be included in one Teittler ; also must the several Counties its North Britain : and . each Prup'ilial must hare the Letter which is annexed to the 'ten der properly filled up, by Two Persons of known Property, engaging to Leconte bound with the Party tendering, in the Amount stated in the printed Particulars, for tit• due per— fortciance of the Contract; and no Proposal will be noticed, unless made on a printed Tender, and the Priam expresser in words at length ; and should it so happen that during the Qontiritiance of the Contract no Troops should he supplied by vitt 111? of the same i the expence of the Stamps for the Con tract and Bond, paid in the first instance by the Contractor, wi!l be refunded to him. Particulars of the Contracts may be had upon application at this Qitice, between the hoUrs of Ten and Four. P. S.—Samples of the Bread and Meal may beieen at this Office between the hours of Twelve and Two. , TO CIIVAIISTS, APOTHECARIES, DRUOOISTS, &c. DEPTFORD VICTUALLING YARD, FED. 24,1823. NOTICE is hereby g i ven , Th a t on THURS DAY, the 13th of March next, at Eleven &Clock in the Forenoon, will be put up to PUBLIC SALE, at his MA JESTY'S VICTUALLING YARD; DEPTFORD, in Sundry tots, a quanti!), of SURPLUS AIEDICINES I sup plied from Apothecaries Hall, for the use of his Majesty's !vary. The Lots may he viewed on the three days previous to th e day o f Sale, and' Inventories had, on application at the above Yard. A D iPosit of £23 per cent. is to be m a d e on the amount of cacti LOE, at the time of sale, and the remainder of the pur abase-money to be paid before the Lots are removed, for which thirpose a period of ten working days will he allowed from the ny of sale. JOHN HILL, Comptroller. BRITISH CONCERTS, • . Under the Immediate Patronage of Li IS MAJESTY. rirHE SUBSCRIBEItS to the above CON CERTS arc respectfully informed, that their TICKETS tare now ready for delivery at the ROYAL HARMONIC INSTITUTION, ARGYLL ROOMS; and they are most wide**larly requested to take them out on or before FRI DAY, the 2lst Instant. GEORGE NICKS, Secretary, 83, Portland•atreet. BILIOUS AND LIVER COMPLAINTS * ; CS a mild and effectual Remedy for all those ZS; Disorders which originate is a vitiated' action of the LiOr and Riflery Organs, namely, Indigestion, Lois of App tite, Headache, Heartburn, Flatulencies, Spastus, Costive. uess, Affections of the Liver, &c. &c. DIXON'S ANTIBILI OUS PILLS have met with more general approval than any ether Medicine whatsoever. They unite reit) , recommends- titan of mild operation with successful effect; and require no restraint or confinement whatever during their use. In tro piCal climates, where the consequences of redundant and vi tiated. Bile are so prevalent and alarming, they are an invalti• able and efficient protection. They are likewise peculiarly calculated to correct disorders arising from excesses of the Tallier—la restore the Tone if the Stomach—and to remove aloft 44Iniptanns occasioned by Irregnlarity of the Boseele. Sol 4 iff Boxes, at es. Ad. , bs., I Is., and cis., by Butlers, U.hentists, No. 4, Cheapside. and 220, Regent-street, (near the Artily Rooms), L on d on: 20, Watrrloo.place; Edinburgh ; 34,8aCkville•street, Dublin; and by the principal Medicine' venders throughout the United Kingdom. . _____....................................-............-... On Friday, about -three quarters of a mile from rtamtlioa, on the Edinburgh road, a dog belonging to a pas - unget set up a.barking and scratching at &small heap of stones 4 4 the,back of one of the stone magazines ? and would not be "'lied - away. Ilia master thinking he might be seeking for 41 c4, 0 rat or weasel, began to remove th e stones to let him get at IliN prey,, when he discovered something hid in a bag, which b ee petting he found, to his horror and astonuthment, to „,,, th dead body of a woman. A rope was tied round the "'".4 anal. passe tlown by the legs, drawing the body into as r ead ii• form as p possible. Mr. Lockhart, of Castlehill, happen ed „ ,t,O be:riding past at the time, and gave information to the ~..- 44,o rities of fiamilton, of what he had seen. The corpse' was ', llv !)rttl. to the hurch. The Sheriff and Procurator-Fiseal c ,,._ ,4 , ed.' And the body was recognised to be the mortal re ri„,,,., Rt , SussuStnellie, Jan aged female, who died about a 1 . : br„ -5 1,. ; , ' ,l )fgo.,- On opening the grave, the coffin was found ' .1 . f. - 2"'nc: Saturday morning two other bodies, .orie of them a 1,7 1)e tveri dlscttivered and brought to liamiltotirritifir.; . Wee . - ' &UMW.) PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS , MARcH 4. NEW BILLS. Mr. BROODEN and others, brought up the folloiving Bills from the Comttions :—The Exchequer Bills Bill, the Irish Chancellor of the ExcheTier Appointment Bill, the Annual Duties Bill, the Transfer in Aids Bill, and the Lanarkshire Roads Bill.—Reads first time. The Earl of ROSE BERRY presented a petition from Louth 'against the insolvent Debtors'Act—Read and , laid on the table. —Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Several' Papers were presented from different public offices, and ordered to lie on the Table. INSOLVENT ACT. Petitions against the Insolvent Act were presented from Pres ton by Mr. BLACICEIUitv, and from Sunderland by Mr. •LAMR TON, which were ordered to lie on the table and be printed. Mr. RENNET presented a petition from certam Inhabi tants of Bethnal Green against the Vestry Bill respecting that Pariah.. The Hon. Member said the Bill was highly objection able in principle ; and, he had no doubt, originated with Mr. blerceron and lila pasty in the parish. Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. STUART WORTLEY fire . sented a petition from Yorkshire against the New Turnpike Act, Mr. WILLIAM DUNDAS presented a petition from Mer chants of Edinburgh against the Duty on Gla ss . Sir J. MACKENZI'E presented a petition from Cromartie, complaining of Agricultural Distress. Mr. W YVILI. VILL presented a petition from York against the Hawkers anti Pedlars Act. Sir E. KNATCHRIILL presented a petition from Rent against the Duty on Hops. The Report on the Scotch Creditors' Bill was received and agreed to. - _ w • • TURNPIKE ACT. Sir THOMAS ACLAND moved for leave to bring in a Bill to alter the New Turnpike Act, so far as it regarded the toll demanded on carts laden with lime. His object was not to interfere with the general provisions of the Act. After a few words from Colonel Woot) in support of the motion, and from Mr. Ct./TM:IS, Mr. CALCRAFT, Mr. F. LEWIS, Sir T. LETHBRIDGE, and M r . JONES, leave WaS given to bring in the Bill. The Marriage Act Amendment Bill went through a Cum. mittee. The Bill was ordered to be read a third time to morrow. Sir JOHN NEWPORT presented a petition front the Tan. ners of Wexford against the Leather Tax. - JESUITS. Sir THOMAS LETHBRIDGE gave notice that he should to-morrow present a petition from an Individual of Irelsnd, who offered to prove that 1110 St of the evils of Ireland were to be attributed to the Jesuits. POOR LAWS. •. 11r. NOLAN moved for leave to bring in a . Bill to alter and amend the Poor Laws.. Lle,liad directed much of his at. tention to the subject since .the last Session ; and hr come 'quence of some valuable suggestions he had received, had filtered the Bill'he had .brought in. Therwere not, however, alterations in principle. If the !louse would allow him to bring in the Bill, it might stand over until every Member should have had an opportunity of considering its provisions. He wished 'the measure to teceive every discussion. • Colonel WOOD said, it was understood that Rorie, fusions he intended to propose on this subject should be (Bs, cussed before the second reading of this 13i11. He should ob ject to any further coercion of the poor. Leave was then given Co bring in the Bill. sir Thomas ACLAND brought in the Bill, for bringing in which he had obtained leave, to alter the New Turnpike Act. Act. Read a first time, and rdered to be p r int e d, an d .rea d a second. time t in Th ur s day. ALLOWANCES TO AMBASSADORS. 11Ir. LENNARD, seeing the Right lion. the Secretary for Foreign Affairs in his place, wished to ask him whether it was the'intention of his Majesty's Government to-propose, in the course of the present Session, any reduction in the amount of the Civil List ; particularly,. in that branch of it more imme. cliately under the controul of the Right Hon. Gentleman.__ He alluded to the Allowances made to retired and other Am. bassadors. Mr. Secretary CANNING was not prepared to say. that Government proposed to suggest any such reduction in the Course of the present Session. His answer, however, was to b e understood as being given wi t h out prejudice to the general question, to the propriety of the reduction itself. '- Mr. LtNNAIRD mod, that if he could have collected that Government had no intention to propose the reduction at ull, he should certainly bring forward a motion on the subject. ASSESSED TAXES. Mr. HERRIES moved the second reading of' the sill for reducing the Tax on Male Servants in Ireland. . • - Mr. CALCRAFT was happy to 'observe the 'progress of any measure "having the relief Di Ireland for its object ; but he should have been happy' also to hear that Ministers proposed the reduction of the Leather Tax and the Candle Tax, in Eng. land. He perfectly ag:reed with the Chancellor of the Exche quer as to the propriety of the repeal of the Window Tax, which he would rather see repealed than the Tax upon Riding. Horses. The number of Horses kept for riding had con siderably increased since the Tax of the year 1817. He trust ed the whole of the Leather Tax would be taken off for Wit were but parti a lly re p ea l e d, an d ' the machinery of the Excise affecting the Leather Trade were allowed to remain; the Tax would be still as prejudicial as if the whole of it remained. If the Bill about to be pressed by the Chancellor of the Exche quer, tor disposing of the SUrplus should be passed, he feared lie should have no opportunity of proposing the reduction of those '['axes, unless he brought forward separate motions on the subject. He considered, that if the Bill in question should pass, the hands of the Members of that House would be tied up, and that they could not very well propose the reduction of Taxes; after having appropriated the supplies of the year. He had collected the opinions of many 'Gentlemen on the que st i on w h et h er it still further reduction of taxa tion was not necessary, and he found be should have much stronger support on his motion for reduction than lie ex pected. If tile "House should pass the Bill to which he had alluded, it would be thought that they had merely taken care of themselves, and neglected to call for measures which would affbrd general relief. Should the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer press the Bill too quickly, he was deter mined to take the sense of the House upon it as repeatedly as he could. After a few words from Mr. CLTRWEW, the Bill was read a second time. SCOTCH DISTILLERIES. Sir R. FERGUSSON wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer a'question of considerable importance to those en gaged in the Scotch Distillery trade. The Right Hon. Gentle man had intimated hist intention to propose a lowering of the duty on British spirits, an idea had prevailed. in consequence that' he reduction of the duty would be almost immediate, and many orders for spirits had been countermanded under this belief ; it was important that those engaged in the trade should know the intention of Government ou tins subject. He wished also to be informed whether the stock of spirits now on band would receive the benefit of the reduction. He trusted that it would, as the present was the most favourable time for the ad vancement of the trade. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCEIEQUER said, he had not yet decided as to the precise time when the reduction of the duty would commence, but, at till events, it would not be before the 16th of October. Respecting the stocks on hand, he could only say at present that he was disposed to, sive them the moat favourable consideration. In Ireland spirits were allowed to be warehoused, anti such a considtrittion would be unnecessary so far as regarded that country. He thought he should be able to confer a benefit on the Scotch distiller equal to t h at w hi ch was now enjoyed-by the !vialt one. USE AND WINDOW TAX. 111r.HO8HOUSE presented u petition from the Inhabitants of St. Ann, Westminster, praying for akrepeal of th e w hol e o f the Aisessed Taxes. He had no doubt that, if time were giVen to the country to petition,' before the Chancellor of the Bache. suer should pass the measure in favour of what he called the Sinking Fund, many petitions wotild be presented to the same effect: The petitioners spoke in strong latiguage on the subject of national faith. They declared their belief that they were not bound to pay More than the interest of the National Debt, and that the exaction of anything beyond this would be breaking faith with the national debtor. The petitioners, in particular, prayed for a repeal of the Rouse and Window Tax ; but, at he shonld have a more favourable opportunity than the pre sent for showing the propriety and necessity of their repeal, he should forbea r e nt e ri ng fully into that' articular question • Mr. MAXWELL beg ge d to call the p attention of the Chan cellor of the Exchequer to the Cottage Tax of Scotland. wished to know whether this nlot odious and oppressive tax would be repealed'. It rarely produced more than a fourth of its estimated amount, which of itself was trifling; it Continually, brought the poor in ' collision with t h e revenue officers, and this made the Government very unpopular. Ile trusted it would be repealed. _ After a few words from Lord, A. HAMILTON, which were inaudible, Mr. HOBIIOUSE wished to ask the Chancellor of the Ex. chequer what day he proposed for bringing forward the Bill relative to the Sinking Fund. It Was important that the time should be known, as an idea prevailed that no one could con sistently ask for the further repeal of taxes after the passing of this Bill, which approPriated the Surplus. The CHANCEIJI.OR of the EXCEINUER thought the Hon. Member misapprehended the nature ot the proceeding in question. The repeal of taxes might very properly be moved fur, notwithst an di ng th e pass i ng or Bill. Indeed the Bill itself was rather a siniplificatiort df. the prawn law that} a creation of any new one; and luif iihjection no the Bill went as much to the present law. He thil not think it at all tulvisa ble to 'postpone the Bill. It was necessary it should pass be fore the sth of April, otherwise much confusion might ensue in the different arrangements. He thought these could be no ob. 4ection to the Bill being read a second time, and sent to a Com mitttee, in which any alteration might be proposed. Should any alteration be adopted by the House, though the Bill would in his opinion be diminished in value, it would be available as far as it went. Mr. CA LCRAFT said there could be no doubt it,waft proper to simplify the present, Acts of Parliament ; but he really thought it would be inconsistent to propose the repeal of a tax after the Surplus - Revenue had been disposed qt. As a question of considerable importance was about to comenn. lie trusted the Right Hon. Gentltsnan would consent to a post ponement of the measure. A conversation followed between the CHANCELLoa of the ExcHtweto, Mr. TIERNEY, Air. Gov Lnu nx _and Mr. CaLcitAii, when Thursday was fixed foe bringing in the Bill. The petition was then ordered to lie on the table, and. be printed. IRISH TITHES. Mr. HUME rose to bring forward his promised motion on the subject of Irish Tithes. He was fully aware of the great intportance of-the question—enough; he admitted, to . deter him from engaging u p on it, had he not despaired of seeing the probability that it would be taken up by any one else. in the course of the statements he had to make to the House, it,..should be thought he went too m uc h i nto d eta i l, he trusted the importance of the subject would be his apology in the opi. Man of the House, for thus unnecessarily consuming their time. He was aware that he might be told, and he expected that he would be told, th a t h e oug h t to h ave waited until Par. 'lament should have seen the nature of the plan which Mi. Misters intended to brin forward on this v e ry subj ec t ; b ut , when he reminded the House that he had lot Session stated his intention to bring this subject under the consideration of the lieuse.l that he had also, on the first day of the present Session, given a similar notice, so that Ministers had had a niohtit to anticipate him if they thought proper, he hoped he should not be thought precipitate by adhering to his origi nal resolution. lie was anxious in the outset,that -the 'lronic, arid he should understand each other in ieir tiorr of the word " Church," or, if they could not agree in their definition, that the House should know the sense in which he intended to apply the word himself. People often talked of " Church and State," and held that there could be no Church without a State. ; and ,no State without 11 Some applied the word "'Church" to the Clergy only ; while Others applied it to all the community who were agreed in one form of worship. It was impossible to apply the word merely to the walls .of the building in which Divine service was per , formed. He was himself at a Tosi as to which of the senses he ought to adopt in speaking of the Church; but, on going back in his researches, he found that Si. Paul treated the whole of Ills hearers, his community, as the Church ; and, on the autho rity of St. Paul, he should do the same. Ile thought he might assume that the Proteetant Established Church had no authority from Scripture. It was the mete creature of the law. It owed its very existence to the Legislature s % and, as a consequence, that Legielature alight alter or annul the whol e of the establishment. This being ascertained, it became pro m to eonsider why the Legislature had, at the Restoration,_ established this in, p re f erence to any other Church. . He took it to be indisputable, • that religious instruction was the prin. eupal abject in View. In order to this, various duties were to be performed; 'and certain establiatunents, certain property, and certain allowances, were erected and appropriated to en. courage and reward their performance. When, therefore he proposed a P ar li amentary i nterference with these Establish ments, this property and these allowances, he trusted he should not be charged with a design to deprive people of their rights. AU the vaxt property now enjoyed by Bishops, Deans, and the other Minister* of the Established 'Church, had been carried away from those of' another Chur c h. It had been originally set apart for, and enjoyed by theslilinisters of the Catholic Church. The Legialature had deprived them of it, and given it to the precursors- of its present incumbents; and how then could it be maintained for an instant, that Parliament had no ,controul over it? He was aware it might be said that a large portion of thie property had been given by lay in dividuals • but he had examined almost all the grants of this description to which he had access, and lie found that the property thus given was directed to be applied to the pur poses of charity; and it,therefore could not be treated as the sol4roperty of the Clergy. He expected to be told, that this property of the Clergy was quite as sacred and as. in violable as any other property. The connection, however., be tween the two rights was ‘ v ery s li g h t; and wherever it ex isted, supported his argument in favour of Parliamentary in terference. The property of the Clergy was unlike that of individuals, inasmuch as the latter was absolute ; the former temporary. Individual property was descendable, and dis posable . by deed or will, which was not the case with ecclesi asucal property ; the latter was given expressly for the per. formance of specific duties, and their performance was the condition by which the property was held. To prove this, he had only to refer to the case of the Bishop of Cloglier, who was deprived of his property for miscenduct, and many .other cases, all tending to show that where the duty was no longer performed, the pay was no longer to be allowed. It was rather remarkable ; that at the Reformation there was scarcely one be. taeficed priest who did not perform his duty on the spot assigned him. it was since the pure days of the Reformation that abuses had taken place; and Clergymen instead of attendin g to the `.Cure of Souls" (as it wax cell o )) in their different parishes, were to be found at Bath, Cheltenham--all over the world in short, every where but where they ought to be. It he shewed this to be the case with regard to most of the Irish Clergy, it was impossible to resist the conclusion. lie was not to be told that the property . of the Clergy was not to be assimilated to any other species of property. Would it be tolerated that the public servants of the Crown, the high Officers of State . and the officers of the Army and Navy— would it, he asked, be tolerated if they were toliold language similar to that of the Clergy ? Their dutieti appertained to their offices, and were Inseparable from the possession of those offices, and the receipt of the profits to be (te am' others, ail clearly shewed that rived from them. A m i l i tary of fi cer on command received pay only so long as h e performed duty. The examp l e to which he had allud e d, neglect of duty and moral disability were sufficient to de. pave a Clerodian of his office, and consequently of' his profits. A slight reference to the feudal system would demonstrate that the Army str and Clergy were originallY on the same footing' as re ed remuneration. The soldier, like the Clergyma n , was lowed a piece of ground fer'hist sup, port, and, in return, certain services and duties w ere requ i red from each. Indeed, the services of the Clergy . were:of a nu. ture which rendered it impossible for them ever to be dispensed with. Then, with regard to their property, it was impossible to contend that they had any interest beyond a temporary one; and , that, too, conditional on the performance of their duties. They could not pretend to any are of the rights of the suc cessors; for they could not tell who their successors would be. and priVete property en. They had no interest in the property, beyond their own per. sonalinterest. In short, in almost every point of view, the at tempted analogy between ecclesiastical tirely failed. The question Was, whether this CatabriAl7loit was too great or too sm a ll. If i t was too small,in all add to i t; if too great, diminish it' If w.ahaPltlen h> takcn place in the sentiments of Vie Attorney-General of Ireland since list year, he should like to hear from him a vindicetion of his doctrine, that Church property and Church matters were sacred, and beyond the power or authority of Parliament. He confessed he could not understand upon what such an opi nion could be founded. It certainly could not be upon any of those Acts of the legislature which went to interfere with Church property. It could not be upon the Land Tex Act, which authorised the Bishops to sell Church land. If Pulite. ment had , entertained the notions of the Right Honourable Gentleman upon this subject, it would never have passed that Act. But to go from tlicise minor tkcts to higher pi ece . dents,,had not Parliament changed the religion of the coun try itself ? Had it not changed that religion from Catho licism to Protestantism, and could. it not change the Pro. testant religion ?—(Hear, and laughter.)—He repeated that that House, and the other House of Parliameut, with the con currence of his Majesty.- (Hear, and laughter)—could change the religion. The Right lion. Secretary might laugh, but had he left out his Alajesty, what would he have said ? Besides which, his Majeaty was but one branch of the Legislature. Let the House then suppose that, instead of Protestantism being the established religion, Quakerism was established in. „stead.—(leaughter.)—He said, let them suppose that a House of Quakers--(Continued laughter.)—What would be tho , cons sequence, the Quakers not permitting Deans and Chapter, or . any of tke various et tetere of the established Church.—whitt become of the freeholds qf the ClergYowhen those who had administered spiritual work to the flock were not allowed any worldly benefit ? Be begged the Bight Honourable Gentle man, if he made any remarks upon dila subject, to tell them what he would do with the land belonging to the Clergy, if that House became a house of Quakers. He would answer, no doubt, that it would be placed at the disposal of the State, and no doubt it would be so. But then, what becanie of the prin. ciple which declared that Church property could not he touch ed ? He did not wish to change the religion- 7 -that might stand—he only wished to revise the arrangements ution which it rested. The late Bishop Watson proposed, in order to in crease the incomes of the Clergy to 1001. eaph, that all bean. cries, as they became vacant, should not be filled up. Thus, then, it. was the opinion of the Clergy itself, that the change he was arguing for could be effected by the Legisla ture. And that they could do so was shown by upwards of 25 Acts on the Statute Book, providing against the Clergy rob bing each other, by disposing of land the property of the Church. He put it, then, to the good sense of the country, whether the intentions of the founders were carried into effect by the' present Church Establishment in Ireland ? What was the situation of that Church ? According to the last Census the population of Ireland was 6,800,000, one fourteenth of which number, 490,000,50u15 i constituted the total amount of the followers followers of the Established Church, leaving 5,900,000 Ca tholics. Then for the Establishment itself, there were four Archbishops, 18 Bishops, 33 Deaneries making with inferior Alinisters In all M 1 belonging to the Chaptersi and Bishopricks. He believed no country in the world offered the example of such a proportion between inhabitants and Clergy, The House, then, he contended, was bound to consider whether the number was not too great ; and, if so, make a proper reduc tion. This was the way they proceeded wi t h t h e A rmy , and upon the same principle they ought to decide upon not keeping "up useless Bishops. Ile knew not if there were Cathedrals m Ireland, but if there were, they ought to be done away with or curtailed; for any .one who knew any thing about the matter, would know that one Cler gvinan with a Curate could do all the duties of. a Cathedral. The state of the country would not admit of their keeping up idlers at the present moment. Public property ought not thus to be uselessly squandered, and t h e Bi s h ops end Deans should . be told that their services could be dispensed with. lie cared not for those who would be disposed to cavil withhis proposals; lie made them with the best intentions towards that unforninate country. He hoped a Committee would be granted to hint to pronounce to the House upon his plan, which lie might be too sanguine about. But no one, he was .sure, who turned his attention to the subject, but would say the establishment was open to great reductions, and he should say they did great in. justice to those Naval, Military, and Civil Officers who had Of late years been reduced, if they did not cut death the overburthened institutions of the Church. As to the amount of Church property, as regarded other property in Ireland, he believed he could give the House an :.curate idea of its- There were, lie believed, about fourteen milli ons o f I r i s h, or eighteen millions of English acres in the whole surtice of Ire land. Now he had every reason to believe he was correct in stating the property in the handsel' the Bishops and Dean and Chapters at two-elevenths of the whole, cultivated' and wild.-- .And here he was sorry to have to observe that the Bishops in , Ireland were not the best cultivators of land, for when he was there, every piece of badly cu l t i va t e d land he saw was called Bishop's land. Thus the country lost both. Then the rental of Ireland he had estimated at 14,800,0001. Two-elevenths of this they might take at 2,600,0001. There were 1289 ty die collectors, which, taken at' Isool. each, made about 700,0001., making a total of 3,200,0001., which the Church o f I re l an d 'swallowed up annually. Supposing this estimate to be right, by one half, he asked the House whether it ought to be tolerated. lie begged to say, that in any change pro. posed by hint, he wished to observe what wait due to vested interests, and in no ease to injure or interfere with indi v id ua l s now in possession. It would be less to be regretted if this three millions were employed, as the State had directed, in forming the Establishment, if it were eyen fairly divided amongst the labourers in the vineyard. But when the House saw a return relative to the Citrates, and the portion of it al, lotted to them, they would see it was far otherwise. He be. lieved it was a very rare occurrence for a Curate to be promoted, whilst there were some Bishops with rtvenuesoflo,oool, 8-year. It was impossible not thus to blame a system which placed the interests and duties of officers in opposition to each other, The evils of non -residence were monstrous; whilst those left to officiate for them received a mere pittance. By a return made in 1819, it appeared that, in a number of 1289, only 768 were resident, leaving 681 non-residents. Hi s M a j esty ' s Mi. nisters had talked a great deal about relig. ion ; It would now be seen whether, by abolishing the prejudicial practice in the Church, they were really sincere in their wishes to promote the interests of religion. The benefit to the morals of the Scotch nation by a resident Clergy was well known. A century ago Scotland was as Ireland is now. There was nothing inherent an the Irish character to prevent Irishmen rising above their pre- - sent condition, which was worse than that of any people in . Europe, except the Turks. They were degraded by those wh o should elevatantishem. He would propotte that noue of the Clergy should have come less than 1801. a.yeor, nor above COOT as in Scotland. He would read what ,Adam b'raith said upon this subject. He observed " that to ensure the proper performance of every service, the pay ought to be exactly proportioned to it.. Time, if the Clergy were underpaid, they would be found to be, individuals whose appearance or character were perhaps mean, and beneath their situati on . A ga i n , if over pa id, as i t happened that men of large revenue 'thought always that they ought to live like others of the same stamp, they would be found tot. tend their time in vanity, than whichlloolllg can be rams likely ta draw aside a Clergyman from his high duties, and in the eyes of common people to deetroy the becoming sanctity of the clerical character."--(Cries of " Hear, hear, hear —Now the inferior Clergy in Ireland were underpaid, end the evils foretild. by Adam Smith followethr,thesame mules appeared in the euperior and overp a id Clergy. Utility was the great objeCt and end of his arrangement. As to the non-residents, in the diocese of Waterford, anti 'Atmor e , of eighteen resident,, thirty-two were not-resid ent . Th e f ormer Bishop of Climber, as he was told, went to his diocese with. out a shilling, and died worth three or four hundred thousand pounds. Ile was also told, that, at present, the land attached to that Bishoprick, diet out, would produce 160,000/. a year.... Why this was enough for 10 Gomm Princes' ; and he maintained it. was inconsistent with professions of economy that such large sums Of public money were thus disposed of. H e wi s h e d t h at t h ey Should have a Committee to inquire into the real state of the revenue's of the higher Clergy of Ireland. This was requisite under every point of view. lie should propose that the Irish Establishment be reduced to, one Archblatiop and four Bishops. That number, with a proportionate number of subordi na t e offi cers, would be quite sufficient. Then as the Been and 'Chap term bad little to do, the whole of them ought to die off...e (Laughter.)--He meant that his Majesty should be rectiosted not. to fill up vacancies as they occurred. Then as to the no. rnininetion, it appeared that, the Crown had th e n om i nat i on o f the whole, for he cou ld put a negative upon the nomination of the .flishona. This, he contendtd, WAS too grcat. He now same to. the t, part of _ the question which r e l a ted to th e Titius. should abuse the indulgence of the Bohm were he to attempt to represent adequately to thorn the abuses of this part of the systeM. Ile proposed, therefore, that as. the revennesi,of the Bishops, and I)epate, and Chapters sheuldgo to forma fund at the disposal cis ; Parliaments set should t h ere Obe a nnittiiation of tithes at fifteen,Yeats inathi t ..te of tw,.l'iiy . ..fiVe, as had" been proposed ; and he contended 'met*. wool.: Le ample funds to make a liberal conamutation. . . , same might be done as regarded' thh Jaireitfinebteeietora: et. site:tiler plan to this had been ciriind . itith , extieution fit.. amiss .• leeopold of Tuscany; and why'shifuld tint the Same be dole • this country ? The /Rittieetight not tolikteo to aiiy petit - •, from these people talking a b out t hei r s iin t e sitoas tl i ek; nothing to do with their suceessora What would . thh , Fr s think of the officers or a battilliOn coming toa resolution tieto be disbanded, because th e y wish e d to secure theix•plac'eeto their successors ? But, then, these gentlemen said, ". *le its you pay us in money, that will render us depodatit'e . . d . lower our *aced character:" He (Mr. flume) smiled at ii• assurrnce—the most subservient where their own interest sash concerned, talking ofindeporiden ce—( Hear 1 frouttlie Minieter:ar .. benches.)-I.'he Hon. Membera opposite. might cry "fitter . 4 • heart" Many thing* were carried by assi t i at ice ; and he hla, ' no doubt they, would have enough of the assurance of etie 'flott. . Gentleman opposite. They ha ve h a d i t ' bertha, and no doubt they would have it again that night. He understood a Certain . Archbishop had Resembled his fleck, for the purpose of peii.; tioning karlfarnant to the effect he had always stated ; hot he hoped They would not be listened to. Why ehouid they °hies; • to be paid in money ? Has not that House changed the terai . Wrist posseseions of the Crown into a money revenue ?. Ito. sides, it would he. an injustice to.the Officers of th e Amy and Navy to decline treating the Clergy as they treated them, os the score of tier,rdation: it wise his wish to malts good Cit 'tis dans of the Irish Clergy--to abolish luxury and tetrevitiamea, and teach them to imitate the et - toned,: of the Fcutider di their Faith. Ifs moved, therefore— " ins and That the property at present in the hands of the pflos and Chapters of Ireland, is public property, and the centroul. ar.d disposal of the Legislature, for the support of Religion, - or - for such other purposes as Parliament may chose to apply' il., due attention being paid to the Interests of those at present en.. joying possession ()fit. " 2nd. - That it is desirable that this House should cause in - gutty to be instituted in the present state of the Estahlished . Church in Ireland. . 3rd. That the . best i'ntere'sts of Ireland would be pronioted by . diminishing the large Revenue's of the higher Clergy, and raising those of the lower, and by effecting a Contmutation . of Tythes. . . 4 . 4th. That a Select Committee be appointed to consider in what manner these objects can be best carried into effect." Tese Resolutions having been seconded; and the first put , from the Chair' t . , . . • . . Mr. GOULBURN ro se . I t was scarcely necessary for !din, he said, to inform the House that he rose to give the motion • of the Bon. Iliernber a decided negative.—(llear I)--It was not the first time that similar doctrines had been broached both by the lion. Member and others; and now, as he had them been, and ever should be, whenever such propositioos were inside and urged. either by the weight o f e l oquence ,. or the length of detail in w hi c h the lion. , l%leinber abounded, he woold . • be prepared to make his bestaefutation. - If there were any dif... faculty in the question, it wes not for the want of argument, but from the difficulty of repreesing that indi g nati o n w hi c h-i t wes impossible not to feel.—(Cheers from both sides of the House.)i • The attempt now made was to overthrow the foontlatiorts, of • property, and those esteblishmentato which they were attached . not only by habit, but from practical experience of their belie fit. Ile contended that every principle that was held sa e r e e by Parliament was involved in the preposition of the lice.. Member. Thiaapeech Of flie lion. al ember, was a direct in ei. tation to an invasion of property, whether it were in the hands of the Church or the laity, or of Any. lion. Member of that House.. He was surprised that the lion. Aienaber, with pro. *salons to ameliorate the condition and character of .the Clergy, should have indulged in such observations as marked the letter. end of his speech. Ile told theta that that class ought not to be permitted to petition. This was the measure of justice lie would deal out to them. He told t h em t h at t h e Ki ng had been obliged to yield his territorial revenue for a money consideration.— But did lie see no difierence ? Did Parliament do that with: out the.content of the Crown, or for longer than the life of his Majesty ?--et liar !)—Did this afford any ground for the corn. • . pulsory change of one property for another ? The Clergy were - united with the best institutions .of this country, which west: stand or fall with them - They were not that dependent Vitt.: they had been 'represented. 'they had always stood between.. the Crown and the People,' as the. barriers agolnst • encroach-. • meat; !Sint the harbingers Of peace in every. struggle for power., He intreated the House to leek tit the transaction:4 which pre- '- ceded that melancholy period which terminated with the time]. , of the Monarchs anti the empire of anarchy. It began• by, that . house first attecking the property of the Chieroh, and then its - . dignity.—(lieur I)-.-In the beginning of 1741, irresolution WaS passed to the effect e that the revenues of the Deans and Bishops. - . of the Church ofliatgland were too greet, nod must be curtailed.. e The next resolution 'sot forth that all Itectoties held by ti :e '... Clergy were illegally 'held; anti ought :A° be resumesi by .the •- , people ; and the third declared -dine a competent mailitenatice . .. ought to be provided for the , ',Ali:listen; of the Church. In • these resolutions it was declared, as the lioteourable .Beatles man wished the HOlisS now to deviate, that the property of the Church belonged to the State—diet the alinisteni of the Church • had no right to the Revenues or the Chereh, and that en al iowance which might bb considered competent to their mein- . tenunce ought to be assigned in lieu thereof. Nut it was sax months after those Resolutittae were paused that the consume nation Wail arrived at, for then it WAS declared, that " the . Arclibiehop and the rest" the cirsoltdoeution with which the • . Clergy previously .hati been described, -wee now omitted, had forfeited their freeholds Rod inheritance daring . theirlivee. It • was then resolved that a suitable remutierittion eluntiti be• granted to the parties affected by this decision ; and in pureu. • once of this Resolution, set vote was came to, " That the Arch bishop of York should be allow e d one h un d re d poun d s pet an • nura.".—(A laugh.)—lie extracted this Resolution for the ire.. •' formation of the House, and not for the 'mimic of-exciting merriment, as lie considered the subject one which, in 'content lion with a motion lik e th e p resent , was calcidet4l-to - juxtify SeiioU3 Alarm. He directed the attention of the House to the time when these Resolutiota were passed, in order to lead them • to the consequences which followed. It *as at the cuto mencement of the civil wars that these Resolutions ,had been adopted. From thet Inottten . t step ,by step the people were led to treat every ,thing that was sacred with contemptse. to despoil the Church, and finally to overthrow the t.auisti tution. But the Honourable Gentleman had defended his plan by representing it to be arialogoue to that which hint been carried into effect by Prince Leopold of Tuscany.-- On that transaction he begged to give no _opinion;,., but he Mist take the liberty to say that he would 110 i consent .eo abandon the principles of bonne/ mat justice on tiny plea *het might be grounded on a simileeproeceding in o foreign country. —From hie youth he had underitood, that if England . teases any thing distinguiahod from the other meioses of the teats it was for her steady adherence to truth, morality, and justice; and he would not consent to compromise this character for any prospect of temporary or local at vantage. But the lion. Oni,- tleeniut had spoken of this measure as being calculated to relieve the landed interest. Viewed in this light, he thought no netitt•in that Nouse would be willing to give those the Hon. tieralentedi professed anxiety to befriend the boon he wife disposed to hula out to diem. Of alt the danger% likely where] any country, lie knew of none greater than whet might be expected front 44• pt.... ing a plan which would rob one class of subjects in order to Mi tigate those burthens which pressed on another He 'moot no disrespect to the lion. Gentlem an ; but he felt it his duty tows jest the present proposition, Which, in his opinion, while it pine teased charity, went to sanction a flagrant act of spoliation. Ii was not the first tints that the Church had been thus assailed; not could the Right !tom oetitlettion taoho prinrity . for the ttatiOn. ing winch ,he had advanced. In other times similar ettempts have been made. " Might not this ointment be sold for. X* peon* and giveu to the poor," was the hypocritical pretext ad vanced by these who were no friends to benevolent*. While: they held: this language, they cared not for the pour; but the opposed it to the great founder of , our Religion, not . bas h the worse he pursued was necessary to his raistenee i butebee cause they feared it would ive his Itlinistry undue splendour , ' and raise Mtn too height which they wiebtel eiot to conteersplitaih whale of them.. It , watt impossitelo for Min to look lame:the under which one Prelatc, had i l : 1111 Pnu e il l u b n fe C4 be et ileff an tiou a lb ti tt g r b ur sliroulnlttephnraintzte° detail, i thlit tC 4l o 4t "t uft amount of, the tithes for England tind . mtplairt amassed . extmorilitudy wealth. He hoped there the lion* would-extend to him , so much of that trahtiotec which,h4 let h jilandi., t i h ini a.ei tu rt io utl er tstat4ea . been extended to abet on other •ftectudovitt e as not to assumit thutte statements wore correc t ) which hail aspen .advaricett Ity.the Hon. Gentleman, till (law Ar,prepiaailan tit liOg‘kier them Itack, been ailowed, Ile and the Uott ! ,Pentlentkodiffercti on pri nt ** 4,41, to too aialoctod c hme in ' perty.Tha,..lletn..tierih had ii4o.: , Outhiiii thiit. properkyliala by.. hotels wAs. , tiOiVrotected bp* 4411104pessthi whicis...secured tit-property. held:by eat initivallaa tatyV4ti, at (Mn,. . moburto„ wouut =not, thy: plat um tit , co assigned fur the maintenance of the (larch were the properl . , of the Church. He spoke in the preaenee of thecae woo mem