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tent of new works contemplated at the commencement of the session has been very much curtailed. "Th e Acts obtained this session for new lines are as fol lows, with the estimated capital required to carry them into effect: LONDON AND BIRMINGHAM. Easton Extension Birmingham Extension 350,000 Stour Valley Line Weedon a'nd Northampton Rugby and Stamford 500,000 Rugby and Leamington .. 135,000 Leamington Extension ... ......... 85,000 --- GRAND JUNCTION. Huyton and Ashton, &c •.•••••" .L 1,150,000 Huyton and Warringto n... ........... 18 1870,000 South Staffordshire ,500 Sh o whill and Portobello lOO,OOO Trent Valley Manchester and Birmingham <£1,615,000 1,617,500 ...about 1,400,000 25,000 £1,687,500 "The directors have taken into their consideration.temost expedient mode of providing th e requisite capital .t conior o h r ca moriT ing into effect these several works. And Leg islature . in for mity with the powers g ranted by the the purpose, they propose a creation of 251. shares to the extent of 4,687,500/., being the amount of capital required as above stated, and that one new share of 251. be allotted to the owner of every 1001. share or 100/. stock. But, in order that this new creation may press as little injuriously as possible on the existing stock, it is proposed, in the first instance, that a call of V. per share be made, which shall not be entitled to interest or dividend till a further call is made. Second—That the remaining calls shall be made as follows : 51. per share in July, 1848. 5/. „ „ July, 1849. 51. „ „ July, 1850. 51. „ „ July, 1851. and the remaining 31. „ „ July, 1852. Such calla being entitled to dividend at the rate of 4 per cent. from the date when they severally become due, till the whole amount be called, after which the holders of the new quarter shares will receive dividends rateably with the general stock of the Company. Should the foregoing scheme obtain the sanction of the meeting, resolutions will be submitted to carry the same into effect. "In reference to the general management of the London and North-Western Railway, it is obvious that much advan tage may be expected from uniformity of system and concen tration of authority, on all matters of general policy or mutual arrangement—while, at the same time, the directors will be anxious to obviate as far as possible in regard to the northern division, whether in reference to shareholders, or the public, any inconvenience which might be apprehended from the principal office being in London. It is hoped, that the Liverpool and Manchester offices will afford such information, and answer all such purposes of a central office, as may be required by the locality. Transfers for registration, or certi ficates for endorsement, if left at the Liverpool or Manchester office, will be considered as delivered to the Company; and the transmission of documents, to and from London, being effected in the night, it is hoped, that very little delay or in convenience will be experienced. " The proprietors may be aware that the Grand Junction Company, prier to the amalgamation, entered into an agree ment in conjunction with the Manchester and Leeds Com panp, for the leasing, in perpetuity, of the North Union Rail way. This agreement is now confirmed by Act of Parliament ; and during the last six months the North Union line has been worked conjointly with the lessee companies. " This engagement of lease was undertaken by the Grand Junction Company on grounds of general policy, and with a view to the promotion of the Great North and South traffic, with the risk of some temporary loss in the working of the North Union line. The directors are happy to report that the traffic of the line has considerably increased since it has been under the direct management of the lessee com panies, as compared with what it was in the hands of the common carrier, arising principally from the change of sys tem in the carriage of goods. They have reason to expect, therefore, not only that their general anticipation of benefit to the north and south traffic will be realised, but that this result will be accomplished - without loss on the North Union lease, considered by itself. The directors are glad of this opportunity of acknowledging the long and valu able services of the principal engineers of the two divisions of the railway, Robert Stephenson, Esq., and Joseph Locke, Esq., and they are persuaded the proprietors will join them in this feeling. They propose, accordingly, that two sums of 1,000 guineas each be appropriated to providing suitable tes timonials for this object. "At this first general meeting of the London and North- Western Company, the directors are anxious to express the high sense they entertain of the confidence which for many years they have experienced from the proprietors, while members of the several directions, now united into one board. They are sensible of the extended responsibility which de volves on them in entering on the duties of so large an undertaking, whether contemplating their obligations in re ference to the shareholders, or to the public. They will endeavour to justify the trust, hitherto reposed in them." Resolutions in accordance with the report were unani mously adopted; after which a vote of thanks was carried to the Chairman and directors, and the meeting separated. RAILWAY SH altg MARKETS. BRISTOL, AtorsT '6. STOCK EXCIIANCE.-The sales are-Bristol and Exeter, New, 11% -Caledonian, 11. Bs. 9d.-Manchester and Leeds, Quarter Shares, 10-Newcastle and Darlington Junction, 11%-Newcastle and Ber "rick, 298-Taff Vale, New, 1/. Gs. 3d. LIVERPOOL, AUGUST 6. NEW STOCK EXCIIANGE.-The advance noted in our last report was maintained on Tuesday, bat, although a large business has since been done, anti great activity still prevails, prices have in some in stances receded. The sales are -Ambergate, Nottingham, Boston, and Eastern Junction, 3e. 4d. p.-Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire Junction, 11. 18s. 9d. p.-Birmingham and Oxford, 5% p.-Buck inghamshire, par-Direct Northern (251. Shares), % dis.-Eastern Counties, York Extensions, 2 p.-East Lancashire, No. 1,8% p.- Grand Union, % dis.-Great Grimsby and Sheffield, 3A dis.-Ditto, I Quarters, 18% dis.-Ditto, Extension, 4s. dis.-Great Western, Half Shares, 86-Iludderstield and Manchester, 3 1 4 p.-Ditto, Extension. % p.-Huddersileld and Sheffield, 8% p.-Leeds and Thirsk, disc -.-Leicester and Bedford, 4 dis.-Liverpool and Bury, New Share.% 2/. 2s. Gd. p.-Liverpool, Ormskirk, and Preston, 31. 16s. 6d. psi-- London and York, % dis.-Manchester, Bolton, and Bury Exton- Orions, 2% p.-Manchester a nd Leeds Extensions, 3% p.-Manches ter, Matlock, and Midland, 1% p.-North British, 40-Ditto, Car lisle, 2% p.-North Staffordshire, 4 1 ,E p.-North Western, % p.- Preston and Wyre, Half Shares New (B), 12s. p.-Sheffield and Lincoln, 4a. 6d. p.-Sheffield and Manchester, 111-Ditto, Quarter Shares, No. 2,1% p.-Ditto, No. 3 (late Barnsley), % p.-South- Eastern, New Half Shares, I p.-South Midland, % p.-West Riding Union, 3%p.-Caledonian, dis.-Dundee and Perth, 5% -Edinburgh and Northern, 1%-Ditto (151. Shares), 2 p.-Belfast and Ballymena, 7 dis.-Dutch Rhenish, dis. MANCHESTER, Acousx 6. SToe.H Excnsieca.-The sales are-Ambergate, Nottingham, &c., 1-16 p.- Boston, Stamfordland Birmingham, 10s. c. dis.-Buckingham and Bletchley Junction, par -Churnet and Blythe, % dis.-Direct Northern, % dis.-Eastern Counties, York Extension, 2 p.-East Lancashire, 8% p.-East Lincolnshire, % dis.-Edinburgh and Northern, 2% p.-Exeter and Exmouth, % dis.-Fleeiwood, Pres• ton, and West Biding, % dis.-Glasgow and Dumfries, 9-16 dis.- Grand Union, t 4 dis.-Great Grimsby and Sheffield, Quarter Shares, p.-Huddersfield, Halifax, and Bradford, 3% p.-Huddersfield and Manchester Railway and Canal, 3 p.-Huddersfield and Sheffield Junction, 8% p.- Lancashire and North Yorkshire, % dis.-Leeds and Thirsk, 3 dis.-Leeds, Dewsbury, and Manchester, 6% P. - Leicester and Bedford, % dis.-Liverpool and Bury, 8% p.-Liver pool, Ormskirk, and Preston, 3% p.-London and Brioton, GO4 - Manchester, Buxton, and Matlock, 1% p.-Manchester and Bir mingham, 8833-Ditto, Quarters (u), 1034 p.-Manehester and Leeds Extension, 3% p.-North British, Carlisle Branch, 2% Nop.- Eastern, 1% dis-North Staffordshire, 4 c. p.-North Western, 0-16 p.- Oldham, Birkenhead, &c., dis. -Preston and Wyre, 37 1 , - Sh e ffield and Lincolnshire Junction , 3-16 p .-Ditto, Extension, 14 dis.-Shetlield and Manchester, Quarters, No. 1, 4 p.-Ditto, ditto, No. 3, Ve p.--Shrewsbury and Birmingham, 13.16 p.-Shrewsbury, 'Wolverhampton, and South Staffordshire, ;4 p.- Shropshire Union Railway and Canal, v s dis.-South-Eastern and Dover, 46-Ditto, Halves, No. 1,7% , p.-Ditto, Halves, No. 4, 1 1-16 p.-South Mid land, N p.-Trent Valley, Midland, and Grand Junction, % dis.- Lancashire Coast, 17s. dis.-West Riding Union, 3% p.-White haven and Farness, 2% LEEDS, Arcrsr 6. STOCK EXCITANGE.-'he sales are-Eastern Counti, York Ex- tensions, 395. p.-East Lancashire, 8 , 74 p.-Great Grim es sby and Shef field, Quarter Shares, 3s. 6d. dis.-Huddersfield and Manchester, 2N p.-Ditto, Extensions, 7s. p.-Huddersfield and Sheffield, 8% p.- Leeds and Bradt; ird, 45 p.-Leeds and Dewsbury, 6% p.-Ditto, Extensions, 3s. Gd. dis.-Leeds and Thirsk, 21k dis.-Manchester and Leeds, Fifth Shares, 9% p.-Ditto, Extensions, 3% p.-New castle and Berwick, 14 p.- Newcastle and Darlington Junction Ex tensions, 11% p.-North British, Carlisle Branch, 2% p.-Amber gate, Nottingham, and Boston, par-East Lincolnshire, 2s. Gd. dis. -Grand Union, Gs. dis.-Great Eastern and Western, 295. dis.- Great Kent Atmospheric, 15s. 6d. dis.-Lancashire, Yorkshire, and North-Eastern, 265. dis.-Leicester and Bedford, 10s. dis.-Liver pool, Ormskirk, and Preston, 31 p.-London and York, % dis.- Mahon and Driflield Junction, 153. lid. p.-Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midland, 25 5. 6 d. p.-Midland, and Thirsk Junction ' 17s. Gd. dis.-North Staffordshire, 41,4 ) p.-North Western, Ifs. 6d: p.-Sheffield, Rotherham, and Goole, % dis.-Shropshire Union, % die.-south Midland, 14s. p.-South Mid and Junction, % dle.-West adding Union, 55 -Yorkshire and Glasgow Union, 1% dis. HULL AueusT 6. STOCK EXCIIANGE.-The sales are-Eastern Counties, York Ex t easion, 2%_-North British, Half Shares, 14% - Ditto, Carlisle Branch, 775.-Blackburn, Darwen, and Bolton, 814-Ditto, New, 44 -Ainbergate, Nottingham, and Boston, &c., 2% -Armagh, Cole raine, and Portrnsh, - East Lincolnshire, 175.-Grand Union, 235. Gd. -Leicester and Bedford, 1 Is. Gd.-Leicester and Tainwerth, 335. 9d. -Liverpool, Ormskirk, and Preston, 3!4 -London snd York, 2/. 4s. fal.-Mallon and Drittleld Junction, N, p.-alanehester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midland, 265.-North Western, Bs.; p.-North Stafford shire, 4 1 4 p.- Rugliy and Huntingdon, 225. 6d.-South Midland, 15s. p. -Shrewsbury and Birmingham, 3% -West Riding Union, 5%. SHEFFIELD, Asians's' 6. groca EXCUANOZ.-The sales are -Grimsby and Sheffield, Ex tension, 83. dis.-Leeds and Thirsk, 11,E dis.-Ambergate, Notting ham, and Boston, dis.-East Lincolnshire, 6s. dis.-Manchester and Lincoln Union and Canal, 17s. dis.-North Western, 1 Is. p.- Sheffield and Lincolnshire, par. YORK, AUGUST 6. SToCK EXCHANOL.-The sales are -Amb2rgate ' Nottingham, and Boston, 2%-Eastern Counties, York Extension, 21. I is. 3d.-East Lincolnshire, 11,y-Grand Union (Nottingham and Lynn), 1 --Leices ter and Bedford, 11s.-London and York, 21. 65.-Ditto, Half Shares, 214 -Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midland, 3%-Newcastle and Berwick, 23-Newcastle and Darlington, New, 12-North British, Carlisle Extension, 3% -North Staffordshire, 6%-North -w, ster e, j % -West Biding Union. 4 1 4-York and North Midland, East and West Riding Extension, 13%. EDINBURGH, AUGUST 5. STOCK EXCITANGE.-The sales are-Aberdeen, 10 % -Caledonian, 17%-Ditto, New, 375. &L-Direct Northern, 50s. 6d.-East Indian Railway, 19s. Gd. -East of Fife, 255. -Edinburgh and Glasgow, 605. -Edinburgh and Northern, 101. 145.-Ditto, Newport, 225. 9d.- Edinburgh and Perth, GOB.-Glasgow and Belfast Union, 415.- Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle, Ms.-North British, 41-Ditto, Extension to Carlisle, 87s. -Ditto, Extension, to Dallteith, 8- Perth and Inverness, 31s. 9d.-Shrewsbury, Oswestry, and Chester, 61. Gs.-South Midland, 575. Gd.-Stirling and Dunfermline, 275. GLASGOW, AUGUST 5. STOCK FALenAtim -The sales are-Aberdeen, 101.-Caledonian, New, 325. ed.-Caledonian and Dumbartonshire Junction, 275.- Caledonian Direct Northern, 42s' ad. -Clydesdale -Clydesdale Junction, 231.- Direct Northern, 475. 64.-Dund ee and Perth, 2514-Eastern, Coun ties, Y ork Extension, 4 - N, ed.-East Fife, 245.-East Indian Rail way, Ids. Cal.-Edinburgh and ger n, 111.-Ditto, Newport, 235. Edinburgh and liamaton Direct, 415.-Glasgow General Ter will us. 9 % -Glasgow and Belfast Union, 45 5.-('asciw, '1 g , Dunafriee, an d Carlisle, 3 95 . 6 d. - Glasgow , Kilmarnock, and Ard -Glasgow, Airdrie, and Monkland Junction, 425. O r iie r s a e s a t a t n North 3orth. North 6d o of . S c otland, 19s. 9d. - Great Indian Peninsular, 75 . ca. - India, 7s. Gd. - L anark and Lothians, 455.-London, Bristol and South Wales, 245.-alanchester and Southampton, 345. British, Extension to Carlisle, 925. 6cl -Perth and Invernesa, 325. 6d.--Seettish Cent ral, 19 % Shrewsbury and Herefordshire. los._ h M"lsnd 57i Ga.-South and Midland Junction , 245. Gd.- ..out . St i r lingehire and _Midland Junction, 565. BANK OF ENGLAND. fight's Gazette.) ith and Bth of Victoria, cap. 32, for y, the Ist day of Aug ust, 1846. ,ARTMENT. - - (From lasi An Account, pursuant to the Act 7 the Week ending on ss SaturdDE a P l fJE X. Notes Issued• • .• .... 29,292,320 Government debt .. 11,015,1C0 Other securities • • 2,954,9C0 Gold coin arid bullion 12,854,618 Silver . ..... 2,437,702 £ 29,292,320 29,292,320 MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the Cth day of Angast, 18, --.-. , ...-ii-- -- _ IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LOUDS, August 7. ROYAL ASSENT. The royal assent wa s g iven to-day by commission o the following Bills. The Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, Earl Forteseue, and the Earl of Minto. The Militia Ballot Suspension Bill. The Ordnance Survey Bill. The Newfoundland Bill. The Cheshire Returning Officers' Bill. The Stamford and Spalding Railway Bill. The Llynvi Valley and South Wales Junction Railway Bill. The Sheffield, Rotheram, Barnsley, Wakefield, Huddersfield, and Goole Railway Bill. The Wisbech, St. Ives, and Cambridge Junction Railway Bill The Taw Vale Railway Extension Bill. The Enfield and Edmonton Railway Bill. The Manchester and Lincoln Uniou Railway, and Chester field and Gainsborough Canal Bill. The London and Birmingham Railway (Birmingham Exten sion) Bill. The Galway and Kilkenny Railway Bill. The Argyll Canal Bill. , The Sligo Ship Canal Bill. I The Campbeltown Harbour Waterworks and Paving Bill. The Edinburgh Paving (No. 2) Bill. The Dublin Cemetery Bill. The Agricultural Companies Bill. Lord Kinnaird's Estate Bill. The Yeovil Borough Estate Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'clock. Messengers from the House of Commons brought up several Bills, including the Baths and Washhouses Bill and a Bill to open the Court of Common Pleas to all barristers who were entitled to practice in the superior courts of Westminster. Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from the proprietors of the provincial newspapers of England, praying for a further reform in the law of libel. On the motion of Lord CAMPBELL, the Irish Marriage Act was read a third time, and passed. The NOBLE Loan also moved the third reading of the Irish Mandamus Act, which was agreed to. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid the report on the table on the College of Maynooth, under the new Act, which was read and agreed to. ART-UNIONS. Lord MONTEAGLE moved the third reading of the Art- Unions Bill. Lord LYTTELTON opposed the third reading on the ground that he thought the Bill necessarily involved the encourage of lotteries and gambling, and that the object could not be obtained in consistency with the mind of the Legislature ex pressed some time ago. Lord MONTEAGLE said he was glad to have co-ope rated with the late Lord Lyttleton in putting down the old lottery system, which encouraged the spirit ut but he must say that the word lottery as applied to the present c a " 4ha old use of it, when men entered into a mere speculation for the purposes of pecuniary gain. In the cases of art-unions parties associated themsel ves for the dis semination of works of art—an association which had already been productive of the very best results in art, there having been upwards of 91,0001. expended during the last year, among men of the most deserving character, in aid of the fine arts. FIRST READINGS. On the motion of the Earl of CLARENDON, the follow ing Bills were read a first time Court of Common Pleas E ill. The Baths and Washhouses (Ireland) Bill. Dublin Wide Streets Bill. BOOKS AND ENGRAVINGS BILL. On the motion of the Earl of CLARENDON, the Bill af fecting the duties on books and engravings from Prussia, on the ground of the late treaty with that country, was read a second time. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, August 7. There were only 32 Members present at five minutes before Four o'clock, at which time the Usher of the Black Rod en tered the House and commanded its attendance in the House of Peers, to hear her Majesty's assent given to several public and private Bills (for which see Lords' report). Im mediately upon Sir Augustus Clifford, the Usher of the Black Rod, entering the House, the SPEAKER, took the Chair, the presence of that important functionary, bearing her Majesty's command for the House to attend in the House of Peers, constituting a House, no matter how few Members are present. LORDS' AMENDMENTS. The Lords' Amendments to the following Bills were agreed Airdrie and Bathgate Junction Railway Eastern Counties and Thames Junction Rniiway. Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle Railway. London and South-Western Railway (Basingstoke and Salis bury Extension). Plymouth Great Western Docks. Rugby and Leamington Railway. West 'London Railway Imyrovement and Extension. CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS. The reports on the following Bills were further considered, and agreed to :—Bishop of Jerusalem's Naturalization Bill ; Clark's Divorce Bill ; Matthysseas' Divorce Bill ; Pemberton's (or Gervis's) Estate Bill. SECOND READINGS. Cork and Waterford Railway (by order). Duke of Cleveland's (Bathwick and Wrington) Estate Bill. Scott's Estate Bill. rEPARTMEN T Government swirl ' ties (including Dead Weight Annuity) .. 12,9(11,735 Other securities • ... 14,0`d,257 Notes • ..... ...... 8,796,875 Gold and silver coin• • 510,233 36,337,100 AuRsiLi.LL, cblei Caabier, BANKING LE Proprietors' capital.. 11,.5.53,000 Rest •• • • Public deposits (in al ad i ng Exchequer, Commissioners of National Debt, Say ings-banks, and Di vidend accounts)" 3,793,610 Other deposits • • . • • • 13,449,388 Seven day and otaer 943,423 X 36,337,100 Dated the Cth day of Atiguat, 1841 FLOGGING. Dr. BOWRING presented a from Belfast praying for the immediate abolition of military flogging ; the peti tioners also trusted that officers in future would give to their men more examples of temperance than they had hitherto done. Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from Galway respecting the destitute state of the fishermen of that place, and praying the House to take the subject into their serious consideration. There were no less than 4,000 individuals in the most destitute state of distress in that place. Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition from York, praying for the abolition of flogging in the army. General LYGON presented a petition from Coventry, in favour of the Small Debts Bill. Mr. BRIGHT presented petitions against the sale of spiri tuous liquors on Sunday._ THE POST-OFFICE. Mr. T. S. DUNCOM BE moved that the petition of Thomas Mitchell respecting the alleged abuses in the Pest-office (pre sented 6th of August) be printed with the Votes. Mr. PROTHEROE asked what redress the petitioner sought; and was it the intention of the Hon. Member who pre sented the petition to ground may motion on it? Mr. DUNCOMBE said that it was his intention to call the attention of the House to the allegations coLtained in the pe tition. The motion was then agreed to. Captain PECHELL moved that the petition of the Rev. Newton Kyme (presented August 6) be printed with the Votes. —Agreed to. AFFAIRS OF JERSEY. Dr. BOWRING presented a petition from Mr, Le Gras, of Jersey, praying that an inquiry be made into the institutions of that island, with the object of affording a remedy. He would on Monday move that the peti tion be printed with the votes. KNIGHTS OF WINDSOR. Mr. HUAIE presented a petition from ten of the Knights of Windsor, complaining of the withholding certain property willed to them by Henry the Eighth, and that they only re ceived a shilling a day. VAN DIEMAN'S LAND. Mr. HUME moved that the petition of the Free Colonists of Van Dieman's Land (presented August 6) be printed with the votes. His doing so was preparatory to his bringing the subject of the petitioners under the considerat i on of the House.—Agread to. NEWSPAPERS. Dr. BOWRING gave notice that he would move for the Newspaper Stamps return. WELLINGTON STATUE. Mr. C. BERKELEY sa , d, that he had received a note from the Noble Lord, the Secretary for the Woods and Forests, desiring that he would postpone his motion respecting the Wellington statue. Now he would not do so unless the Noble Lord gave a good and valid reason why he should do so. The Noble Lord had said that he bad received a letter from her Majesty stating what were her feelings upon the subject ; and he wished to know whether her Majesty of her own free will had expressed an opinion upon the subject? If such were the case, he would not interfere any further ; but if the contrary were the case, he conceived the House ought to give her Majesty better advice. Lord MORPETH said he would inform the House of the exact state of the matter. After he had received her Ma jesty's letter, he received one from the sub-committee of the Wellington Committee, informing him that they had an im portant communication to make, and they requested that he (Lord Morpeth) would not give an answer until they were able to lay it betore him. He hoped that the Hon. Member would consider that a good, valid, and sufficient reason. Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY said he wished to know if the Noble Lord had any objection to lay the correspondence which passed between him and the sub-committee on the table of the House? Lord MORPETH—I shall have no objection to do so after I have made my answer to the House. RAJAH OF SATTARA. Mr. HUME said he was anxious to withdraw the notice which was on the paper, to the following effect :—" That an humble address be presented to her Majesty, pct yin that she wit; be graciously pleased to order that an inquiry be forthwith instituted, by the Supreme Government of India, into the cir cumstances connected with the disposal of Pertaub Sing, Raja of Sattara ; and that that Prince, now an exile, and a state prisoner at Benares, be afforded the oppor tunity of answering the charges brought against him by the Bombay Government, and that these proceedings be so con ducted as to secure to:his Highness, the deposed Raja, the benefit of a fair and impartial investigation, conducted in his presence, or before his agent." The notice was accordingly withdrawn. NEW BILLS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he begged leave to give notice that he would, to-morrow, ask leave to introdu ce several Bills.—(Laughter, and cries of " Oh, oh !") The first would be a Bill to regulate the naval expenditure and the naval and military departments. The next would be a Bill to grant a limited sum out of the Consolidated Fund, for the purpose of affording employment to the poor, by promoting public works in England. The next would be a Bill to make a similar pro vision for the employment of the poor in Ireland. Ano ther would be a Bill to extend the powers of the Grand Jury of Irelnd with reqect to public works in Ireland. Ano ther a would be to amend the Act of George 111., relative to offi cers of the House of Commons. Mr. 'WILLIAMS wished to know whether her Majesty's the n vernment proposed to introduce any more new Bills during present t rese n nt session?—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) The the n l G ast ve f r e n w m wenetekh:d:i.,ntwrohdilusetetdhemy more ed new wen dur ingßinillosffitchea,nthesession.—(Laughter. )It was late Government had , the first five months of this quite impossible to give these The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the continuanceßills of w li c o h f h n l e d had An given which notice been n e butprovide for the introduced to by the late Government, with the exception of the ain reference to public works in Ireland. IRISH ARMS BILL. Mr. BERNAL OSBORNE said that he had no w i s h, in pro,.osing the question which he was about to put, to embarrass the Government. A great many Irish Members had already left town, but since the intimation that had been given of the intention of the Government to propose a continuance of the Irish Arms Bill, some of them were now on their way back to London. It would greatly expedite public business, therefore, if the Noble Lord at the head of the Government stated frankly whether or not it was the intention of the Government to revive the Bill in questiobe n? Mr. L ABOUCHERE said that it would, perhaps, more convenient for him to answer the question of the Hon. Member. After bestowing the most serious deliberation on the measure in question, he had come to the conclusion that there was much in the Irish Arms Bill that was most exceptionable (Hear, hear) whilst there was much in it, on the other hand, that WU calculated to do much good. It.was the intention - ..--.---....... of the Government, then, to extract from that Bill all that was objectionable, and retain and propose for the ap proval of the Legislature as much as appeared to be useful. The Government, when they came to consider the sub• ject of the Bill, found the provisions so mixed up and com plicated, that it would be impossible for them without the gravest consideration, to frame an amended measure on the subject. The present Bill was a continuance Bill, it was true, but by the provisions of the Act it would expire on the Ist of May and thus A pledge and security would be given to the House that the subject would be then placed in the hands of the House, And brought under its consideration. The Govern inept had bestowed the best attention they could upon the Bill, and it was their opinion that the proposed course was the best course which could be adopted under the present circumstances. With rejard to the measures which had been introduced to the House, nothing would have been more desirable than to obviate the him: venience which it was propoo e d to save b y this Bill. There were several objections which he enter tained to this Bill, which he had most reltletaotly introduced to the House, . hut .in :e ear h ly o viate those objections by introdu..._ a Bill on behalf of Government, evils which he anticipated from the Bill in its hoped d ext th sess t io b t; w hi c h would prevent the prey shape. ORANGE LODGES. On the order of the day for going into a Committee for supply being read, Mr. HUME begged to ask a question respecting the Orange lodges in Ireland, which had been stated by her Majesty's GoVeeurnent as dangerous to the public peace. He saw by the n7Pera that those lodges had been revived in that country, and he wished to know whether any measures had been taken to prevent the revival of these lodges, and for the support of the public peace 7 Mr. L ABOUCIif RE was aware thgt this system of Orange lodges was dangerous to the public peace in Ireland, but his Hen. Friend whose duty it Ras to take this btesioess under his care was not in the House, and he could not therefore himself answer the question, but he might eay that they were now under the consideration of Government. LUNATIC ASYLUMS. In reply to an inquiry from Mr. OSBORNE, ae to when the Lunatic Aylums Bill would be brought on, Mr. LABOUCHERE stated, this not being in his depart ment, he could nut reply, but would ascertain, and let the Hon. Member know. ABOLITION OF EXCLUSIVE TRADING. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that he had presented a petition on this subject from an individual, who was now in waiting in great anxiety. The Right Hon. Member for Dungarvan (Mr. Shell) had a motion on the paper for to-night, but as it might be postponed, he wished to know whether it was the intention to maintain the principles of the Bill ? An endeavour had been made to abolish the privileges obtained by certain parties • but unless it could be shown that they had ab used those privileges, he (Mr. Duncombe) thought they ought not to be abolished. If they were abolished, it would be but just to institute a Com mittee of Inquiry to ascertain 'whether they had abused their privileges before they were deprived of the rights they had attained. Mr. LABOU t.:tirstt.E era nui, via.. the Honourable Mem ber for the inquiry that had been made, which was probably rendered necessary by the misapprehension that existed with regard to the Bill that had been brought in by the late Secre tary for Ireland with respect to the corporations of Ireland, He confessed that the privileges that existed at present sp eared to him perfectly unnecessary, and not to be justified. SUGAR DUTIES. On the bringing up of the report on the Sugar Duties Bill, Mr. BERNAL said that he did not wish to say anything against the reduction of the duty on the article of rum, even if that came before the House, but with respect to that portion of the measure with which he was connected, he would submit that any new regulations which might be framed should be considered as early as possible, in order to command a discus sion in the House. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it had been his duty to give notice that in the course of going into Committee on the Customs' duty, he would propose a reduction of the duty on rum to the extent of 6d. a gallon. Mr. PROTHEROE said that he wouldlake that oportunity of asking the Secretary to the Treasury a question with regard to grievances now existing in the Post-office. His Hon. Friend the Member for Finsbury bad presented a petition that evening from Thomas Mitchell, a sub- sorter in the Post office.—(Cries of " Order, order,") amidst which the Hon. Member sat down. Mr. HUME must say that the speech of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was very unsatisfactory. He understood from him, and from the Noble Lord, that something was to he done, and it turned out something is promised to be done, but it is open to discussion. Those who had agreed to this Bill, agreed to it under the positive declaration of her Majesty's Govern ment, that they should be prepared to carry out, as soon as possible, measures to relieve those duties, and to put the im ports from the colonies in the same position as those from other countries. Ihe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he was not aware that he had in the slightest degree altered what he said before. His Hon. Friend knew perfectly well that what he bad said before was to be perfectly auhered to. What he had said before. he then repeated. Mr. HU NlE—What did you say before? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (as we un derstood) said that he had before proposed, that any alterati .n in duties which the colonies themselves should suggest, should he agreed to by her Majesty. The report was then received, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time at twelve o'clock to-morrow. AI ILI FA RY FLOGGING. Lord J. RUSSELL said—Sir, in rising to move the order of the day for going into Committee of Supply, I will answer those inquiries which have been made by Hon. Members with respect to corporal punishment, and in so doing, I can only generally state what is to be done by the Commander-in-Chief of the army; and before I do so, I beg to state that I wish neither to have the credit of suggesting any alteration which the Commander in-Chief has thought proper to make, nor do I wish, on the other hand, to shrink from any responsibility with regard to the limit at which the Commander-in-Chief has stopped, and has determined not to comply with what appears to be the wish amongst some—that there should be a total abolition of corporal punishment. I say, therefore, that the plan which has been at present adopted, is the plan of the Duke of Wellington, and one which he has deter mined on. He thinks, as matters stand at pre sent, corporal punishment ought not to be abolished. I have a paper here which shows what are the present regula tions with respect to corporal punishment. By the articles of war no offender convicted before a general court-martial should be liable to be sentenced to receive corporal punishment not exceed ing 200 lashes ; before a garrison court-martial not exceeding 150 lashes, or before a regimental court-martial not more than 100 lashes. Now, the Duke of Wellington having taken this subject into his consideration, has given directions to the officers to whom the duty appertains of ordering such corporal punishment, that by no court-martial of any kind, whether general, district, garrison, or regimental, shall any gfeater punishment he inflicted than fifty lashes— (Cheers) —a very considerable diminution, which the Com mander-in-Chief has ordered with respect to the army. He has, at the same time, given special directions that every precaution should be taken in order to ascertain the state of any offender who may be sentenced to receive corporal punishment, that his health is such that he appears in so robust a state of health as to be able to bear the punishment. He has likewise directed that every other circumstance should be attended to—whether the extreme heat of the weather, or any severity in the state of the weather, or any other circumstances whatever which might make the indiction of such punishment dangerous to the offender sentenced to receive it. Such, then, are the directions, which have been given by the Commander in-Chief, applying directly to corporal punishment. Now, Sir, I know that ray Hon. Friend the Member for Bolton (Dr. Bowring) has given notice for that purpose, that corporal punishment should be at once totally abo lished.—( Hear, hear.) I think every one must desire, and I am sure the Government desire, that it may be possible to keep the army in a right state of discipline without the inflict ion of any corporal punishment whatever.— ( Cheers.) I should be glad, for my own, part to see that day when corporal punishment shall be entirely abolished.—(Renewed cheers.) But, Sir, I do think that the maintenance of discipline in the army . is a paramount object.—( Hear.) I consider that a well disciplined soldiery is a protection to the country to which they belong—a terror to the enemy which they have to meet, and that an ill disciplined soldiery, is, on the other hand, a terror to the coun try to which they belong, and a scorn to the enemy they have to encounter.—( Hear, hear.) I, therefore, consider that the Duke of Wellington is perfectly right in making the present reduction which he has made, without taking any ulterior steps, because, if we are to look for the abolition of corporal punishment, and at the same time to the maietenance of discipline, which I think I perceive this House feels as highly as I myself have just stated it—( Hear, hear) —it is only by two modes that it can be effected.—(Hear, hear.) The one is by substituting some other mode of punishment for effecting a higher state of discipline than the one hitherto in operation ; and the other is, by so ehanging the moral feeling of those belonging to the army, that other motives and other modes of government would have greater effect in influencing their conduct than those now employed.—(Hear, hear.) To both these objects have the attention of those connected with the management of the army been from time to time directed. The commanding officers of the army have had the subject under their consideration— both Lord Hill and the Duke of Wellington. The various Secretaries at War have also had their attention called to the question—Lord Hovviek, Mr. Macaulay, Mr. Sidney Herbert, and ,the present Right Hon. Gentleman who occupies that office. With respect to other kinds of punishment, the subject was fully considered by the Commission which sat on the question in 1835. Different modes were then suggested both with regard to military prisons and solitary confinement ; for great advances have since then been made in carrying out the recommenda tion of that Commission. A considerable number of prisons have been constructed, others are in progress • besides, altera tions in several prisons ore proposed , i n order to make them available for the purposes suggested. But as yet the system is not in complete operation. I have in sty possession several ac counts of the new prisons in progress, in order to give effect to punishment by means of imprisonment. New prisons are erecting in Dublin and Cork. In Canada the military prisons are in progress, but as yet they are not in a complete state. In Gibraltar and the lonian Islands new prisons are to be con structed. For Nova Scotia plans for a new prison have been submitted, and for the West Indies the officers of the army have the subject under consideration with the object of erect ing a prison, so far the suggestions of the commissioners have been carried into effect. With regard to cells for the purpose of short terms of imprisonment the subject has been under the consideration of an old friend of mine ; and he has proposed a plan upon the subject. The late Government had also en gaged the services of Major Jeff on this subject. A number of cells have been constructed, the result of these deliberations, but the system is in its greatest features as yet but new, and but partially introduced. With regard to the extent to which corporal punishment has been carried out, I am happy to be enabled to say that this mode of punishment has been considerably diminished of late, in consequence of other modes of punishment being car ried into effect. The returns I have in my possession will show the extent to which this diminution has taken place. The returns are from 1838 till now : COOSORAL PUNISHMENT IN THE ARMY IN PROPORTION TO THE WHOLE OF THE FORCE- In 1838 1 in 108 In 1842 1 in 140 In 1839 1 in 122 In 1843 1 in 194 In 1840 1 in 129 In 1844 1 in 194 In 1841 lin 126 ' In 1845 lin 189 The ratio, therefore, is, that about one man in every 190 r pt e he c ra e ct ives corporal punishment in the course o f the y ear. Now, if any one can consider and reflect what was the state of corporal pu n i s h m ent in the army formerly, they cannot but perceive that t tha he ttuhuemnbuemrbeorf lashes, of has receiving beengreatly r punishment, eatly diminished. and With regard to the second mode which I havestated, by which corporal punishment may be reduced, and may at lengthal together i t n h p e r s s o e ld tl i c e e r, i a s nd by be a a bolished ai tion ef of an offence more than themrtaehk: eimuepnroveefmthenetpuonf punishment— emmenotr—al lbweietah distributed dct for a ee ri e making him a a t f e n a e r m t the e e r commission a n g es goodview. have bconA (Hear, hear)—and in the fi yh r ea s a t vre p s greathave ta n k u e m n be p r la o c f e of rewardslate duct, and more frequent commissions in the a bestowed upon private soldiers. Between the 31st o y f December and the present time, no less than thirteen commissions r have Leen given to private soldiers.—( Hear, hear.) With re -1 spect to the improvement of their minds, my Hon. Friend stated the pains which had been taken to establish libraries its the United Kingdom. No less than 500 libraries have been i eight months after in the infirmary, from mortification. Now, established, containing no less than 60,000 v olumes. The suppose the pretence medichl man was mime security in v unjust posi`am b. x llent one it is; rid I consider that the effect , Such men were p acmh in a vete mai.he late Secretary at War was the ptoposer of this plan, and an this case, what Said D i r. Marshall on the subject. He said, excellent " such instinitions librariee, containing well-selected obviously it was irapo3sible, from the nature of the punish:.works—must have a most beneficial effect upon young men resent, and the uncertain circumstances cf the offerer, for a going into the army. When I w as at the head of the Chelsea medical man to be held responsible for the consequences ; establishment, I found that the men were constantly at the climate, the physical and mental state of the patie n t' s b o d y , public houses, and I therefor e p ro p osed that the y should have and the other circumstances to be coosidered, rendered it im certain small gardens allotted upon which they could employ possible for the most skilful to be accountable." Itiflam themselves. I have just heard that the plan has proved most ' mation of the back, notwithstanding the greatest diligence not understand the character of the British soldier, and it was fatal consequenci s. Now what was the nosinog me me prophesied yet when I proposed the plan I was told that I did and attention on the - ,t a t . h t at f a t .m he e m dic e a d i ie m al 3n m w alm i i s gl r a r t es l: n ad t W a l t this nature, is hold responsible for life." pro hesied that the plan would never succeed.—(Hear, hear.) sheet roan in th&t elm ? Why, Feetaarsque's book on that g y e ou the g soldier ivo hi min sources i s h of e will o u s sauubjeexc execution it ti w on a s of held, 7 43 ..cers were die- and amusement, you will find that he becomes a better Now this is legally untrue, and physically impossible. be Why, P id l i e f you wh e i encourage o u i r f a soldier and a more contented man.---(Hear.) At the same This was a criterion that enabled him to judge fully time that I was at the head of the Chelsea establish- en the subject, The same doctrine was laid down mime. I advocated the establishment of savings' banke, but by another eminent authority. Some the officers of the. army strongly objected to it, and in one in- posed to de a l leniently, but there were others who were hol‘l 7-1 ooe of the banks. with reckless. and whe -• n, for Inireeti beiure, looked On hat it en stance returned the . edeney stestoMaa s a l , ;1, an intimation t oght epees ite the emcees thought liumaissufferingwithout any sympathy or care. Dr. 'Mark propet. 4t isreeetst r howeyer, he was glad to say there was ham, on the subject of corporal punishment, said that in the a strong disposition foe e neograging madiers t o d e po s it army t h e suggest i ons o f th e surgeons were often neglented. their money in savings' baphs.—(Hear, hear.) That He stated that in an island in the West Indies a man was, on s ehject has occupied the attention of Go ve r nmen t and the an occasion he referred to, condemned to receive 500 lashes. Comettieder for some weeks, with a view of devising When he had received 250 lashes the doctor ordered the some great plea neer; the subject, and it will continue punishment to be stayed, but the officer in command ordered to occupy the attention tai them) connected with the punishment to go on, reprimanded the surgeon for the Government with the view of mainteinirg discipline in stopping the progress of the punishment, and placed him the army, and at the salTle time diminishing, as far as under arrest. The surgeon was only released after an appeal possible, the necessity for corporal punishment.—(Hear.) to the general officer, and after he had been in custody for ten Sir, I trust I have now said enough to induce my Honourable days. Sir Charles Grey, late a Member of that House, said Friend the Member for Bolton to po s tpon e his motion, the medical art, which was one of the most useful and en of which he has given notice—(Dr. Bowring shook his nobling professions, was, in the present application of it in head.) lam sorry to see that he makes a sign that the army, degraded. Medical men were called on to determine he does not assent to my proposal, and I must the extreme limits of human suffering, and t• decide what therefore go on to make one or two statements with regard amount of punishment could be endured without exhausted na. to this subject which I think merit the attention of the tore sinking under the infliction. The late Sir Samuel House, In the early part of 1835, there was a Commission ap- Ro t nilly, in speaking on this question, said, the surgeon had to pointed upon this subject. It consisted of Lord Wharncliffe, determine the extreme verge of human resistance under punish- Lord Sandon, Sir W. .1. Heath, Mr. Tufnell, Colonel Bar, and ment. The surgeon had to feel the pulse of the victim, and to Sir John Ross. This C o m m iss i o n , after examinin g dec l ar e w hen he considered exhausted nature could no more a greet many witnesses, from the highest officers down to the resist the punishment , and was only permitted to take the poor private in the guards , carne to the conclusion that corporal wretch from the halberts when the soul was about to tak e it s de reetldutat be abolished immediately.—( Hear.) pasture from the lacerated body.—( Hear, hear.) He would le, that even supposing that some no t go at an y l eng th i n t o th e case w hi c h h a d occup i e d t h e at mTuhnoishfmouerntht effectual substitute might be devised, it is not desirable that Sian of the public so much of late, if not their indignation. it should be entirely abolished. Such is the opinion given by That case had, no doubt, been the main cause of the changes men of considerable authority, and men wh o we re members of that were now proposed. He believed that the colonel of the that Committee, some of them military authorities and of consi- regiment was an average sample of the gallant officers in the durable military repute. hie, a number of military authoritieshave army, and what did he say on the subject of flogging ? He proceeded upon that opinion, to endeavour as much as pos. supported it, because, according to his own words, ae had, Bible to reduce the amou nt of corporal punishment—(Hear, when a bey, received a " Devilish good flogging." Such weer) hear)—and to substitute o t her p u nshments i n its p lace.— the words attributed to him, which he believed to be co rr ectl y (Hear, hear.) I co nsider that this House ought not, reported ;at least, this expression had not been denied by the at the end of a session, suddenly to propose, on an gallant officer. During the whole progress of the inveatigs occasion that would scarcely warrant a material alteration tion, the subject of corporal punishment was talked of very of the law—that this House ought not at the end of a session, lightly indeed. He observed a very considerable differ- I say, to carry any resolution by which the whole system ence in the army, Ho found one stating that monery discipline o snuld be altered--(Hear, hear)— the panishment was Inflicted in the ustial Wapner, a nd the confidence at the army in general, bun of and another saying that s a c k was not 'the fact. those military authorities w hi c h are p l ace d ov er them He did not doubt the:, the death of White would lead to the and of the soldiers, and people would be materially entire abolition of the punishment or clog tug es the arms. shakeup—e( -Jeer, hear.) I cannot but think, even if my He would read for them the verdict of a British jury on the Hon. Friend pessimisms no confidence in the designs, and de- late inquest. The Hon. Member then read the verdict, This s ires, and intentiosia pf the present Government— matter of flogging might be summed up in n few words. A if that is his statement, that he does not believe man was put to death who was not condemned to death.— what I say, that we wish to see this system of punishment re- (Hear, hear.) The British Parliament could not pass over tained only as long as it is absolutely necessary-oeven Übe does this case quietly, Now these other cases had occurred within not give credit to that statement, I think it is due to the illus the last few days, and he held in his hand an account of the trious man now at the head of the array of this country to rest flogging of two men et Devonpert. Now if this system could be satisfied with the orders he has now given, showing, as those defended, it must be because it produced good effects. But so far orders do, the utmost desire to consider both the benefit from this being the case, all authorities concured in the opinion of the army, and that which is due to humanity upon this that its results were most degrading, deplorable, and ineffective question.—( Hear, hear.) ' Even omitting any reference to the Mr. al Pherson of the 9th Foot, says, "After the ems: rience of glorious achievements of that chief in the space of 60 years, thirty-one years, in which I have been called upon to witness I think, spent in the army, and in every position of that army— many scenes of military flogging, I have no hesitation in saying (Cheers) —from serving in the lowest ranks up to the eminent that I never knew a single instance of a bad character being station to which he has now attained ; the experience he reformed by it, and beg to express my firm belief that any mode has had in the command of the armies, in the field and at of punishment is better than corporal punishment." And what home—the knowledge that he has had of the modes said Dr. Vyse on the subject, " The lash used judicially, is a of liscipline pursued in other armies, I think has entitled him virulous thing; self-exposure is the loss and the ruin of many a to the confidence of the House with respect to the mode in which man ;it has destroyed many gallant spirits, but it has reformed he proposes to carry on the discipline of the army. —( Hear, none. The heart which might have been contrite before this hear.) For my part, I tell you now, as I told you public disgrace will be contrite no longer. A spirit of mmHg at the beginning, that these are the views the Commander- pity and disaffection takes the place of subordination. The in-Chief takes, and in which the Government entirely concur man feels he has been disgraced before his comrades. Flog with the Commanderin-Chief.—( Hear.) I ask this House ging makes the youthful man a coward, and renders him more therefore to pause before they adopt an inconside- reckless in his conduct. The system of flogging should he ex rate resolution.— ( Hear, hear.) • I ask them to punged from the rules of the army ;if that were done it would rest satisfied with what has been done, and allow this soon be seen that this mode of castigation was productive of no useful progress to continue, and if they wish not to mar the fair ben e fit." Sir Charles Brookes sa y s, " I have seen man y work that has been commenced, to abstain from interposing a hundred men flogged, and I have seen when the skin resolution to this House in the way that the Hon. and Learned is thoroughly cut up and completely flayed off. Member proposes.—(Cheers.) that the great pain subsides, and the poor man bears the re- Dr. HOWRING said that he had seldom risen impressed mainder of his sentence without a groan. They lie motion with emotions of a more painful nature than he did at the less, as if they were without life, and the drummers continue to present time. He was sure that every Honourable Member ply as though they were flogging a lump of dead flesh. The could with him bear witness to tie tone and temper in which soldiers look on with disgust—a low whispering sound, scarcely the Noble Lord who had just sat down had addressed the audible, is heard issuing from the scene—sounds which rise House. It was to him a matter of great disappointment that from lips which speak not, but produced by " hearts which the Noble Lord had came to the conclusion which he had done feel I' " Now, continued the Hon. Member, was that a state of upon the subject. He did h o p e that u nder the influence of things to be encouraged, and to be allowed to exist in the public opinion, which had removed such masses of abominations army. In " The Sketches and Tales of a Soldier's Life," connected with military flogging associated with their past rni- there was this passage :—" I have known," says the old sol litary history—he did hope that public opinion, again called dier, " whole regiments demoralised by this system of flagging, into energy and again reaching every bosom, would have so in a particular corps which came under my observation, and influenced the Government as to persuade it that a total abo- which, for some time, bore the nickname of the bloody regi lition of the system of military flogging can be safely delayed ment.' " The consequence was, that all sense of shame was lost nolonger, and that the country must get rid of it at once— among the men. One blackguard used to make it his boast not a fragment, not a vestige, not a modification of them that he had received 1,000 lashes upon the back, upon the must be left; but that the House was bound to consider what calves of his legs, and in the fleshy parts of his thighs ; and he measures are necessary for the constitution of the army, and who could boast the greatest number of lashes considered him ' for the preservation of its discipline, always bearing in view self the most honourable soldier."—(Laughter.) If such be the that the lash is no longer to be put in the hands of the flogger effect upon the spectators, and if this be the effect on the suf -(Cheers.) When he considered the illustrious names con- ferers, could any other conclusion be come to than netted with the modification of flogging in the army, and who that it tended to cause the brutalisation of had from time to time made such progress in benevolent their army? He had heard it remarked that the feelings, with such kindness, such wisdom, and such eloquence, French drummer had a bold dignified air, and presented a very he could not but feel that the present subject had fallen into marked contrast to the English drummer, who was called upon feeble hands. After all, there was only one single word—one to inflict that punishment. He had received several touching single argument brought forward—the argument of necessity. letters from private soldiers, expressing a strong feeling of This is an argument which has always been put forward in all disgust against the system. He had also received commu times by tyrants of all nations; from the earliest period of their nications from ofbeers to this effect :—" That blessed would be history it had always been brought forward in support of the the day when this punishment would be taken out of their lash. Torquemado, when he burnt his thousands — the hands." One old soldier said, " Give us the punishment of monsters of the inquisition calmed their consciences by the death in addition to that of flogging, for by giving greater belief that necessity demanded the frightful outrage—slavery responsibility greater humanity would be the result in the and the slave trade were long justified by the p l ea of necessit y infliction of this punishment." Lord W. Bentinek, whose —when the sailor was flogged through the fleet, and 1,500 opinion was highly creditable to him, said " that in proportion ashes were laid upon the back of the sufferers, necessity was as corporal punishment was diminished, and as the soldier was then put forward as the plea of justification. The plea of ne- treated more like a rational being than a brute, his own pre cessity had justified everything which had been done by tyrant; judices as to flogging had given way." Sir C. Napier had in every age—everything which had been done by the rack, by given a similar opinion, and stated that if minor rewards were the torture, by the galley, and by the guillotine ; but he hoped substituted corporal punishment might be abolished." This to show before he sat down that necessity did not justify the system of flogging, which was so much cherished by their retention of any portion of this abominable system of flogging, country, had been abandoned by all the civilised countries of and that the time had arrived when Parliament was bound Europe, and he was bound to ask if there was something so unequivocally to declare that, whatever be the substitute, mili- base and brutal in British blood that it was only by such treat tary flogging was no longer to be endured.—( Cheers.) It ment that British soldiers could be subjected to proper discipline? was delightful to witness in the present day the progress of The number of the French army was 317,675, while only humanity with reference to this subject. Time was, when in 4,367 were punished, being lin 70. Out of this army of their West Indian colonies, the slaves had the lash laid upon nearly 320,000 men, there were only 102 condemned to death, their backs without mercy and without responsibility. Their and of these only five were executed, and all these five had condition was much worse than the domestic slavery of the committed murder, and would have died by the civil law of Roman times. Education hal since, however, exerted a England. The whole of the punishments in that army were hunanising influence. Flogging had been gradually driven 2,028; of these 243 were punished with labour, 220 were away from their schools. ( Laughter.) He thought that punished with hard labour, 419 were sent to the public works, the time was now come when a humane discipline should and four were fined. The number of punishments in the French characterise their military code. In a book lately published army averaged only one per cent., while in the British army by the son of Dr. Ferguson, the Inspector-General of military the floggings were one per cent., and the general punishments hospitals, the following description of the barbarous system were eight per cent., thus giving an average of nine to one was given. (The Hon. Member here read an extract, from against the British army. This was according to the reports of which it appeared that a soldier belonging to the sth Regiment 1834. In the American army, according to the work of Dr. had brokers into the house of a person living in Sussex, and Southey, in Esprela's Letters, among a people of similar charac had been sentenced to be flogged for the off enc e. When ter and blood to of rselves, flogging had beets abolished thirty stripped he exhibited the finest model of the human frame that years ago, and it was evident that public opinion would soon put could possibly be conceived, and when tied u p h e told the an end to it in this country. The punishment might be pro drummer boys to do their worst, for they should not extract a longed service, diminished pension, or severe imprisonment — sigh or groan from him. After receiving 770 lashes, anything but this brutality. The press had lent invaluable aid though not a word but one of defiance a n d abase h a d escaped to the destruction of this intolerable abuse and abomination. his lips, nature failed him, and he was ordered to be Even the most strenuous Conservatives had agreed that flogging taken down. After a few weeks he was repo r t e d cured, and must be abolished in the British army. If a better the Colonel determiued to inflict the remainde r of the punish- class of men were desirable for the army, let them ment. He was again brought out and ti e d up. But it was be obtained; let an army be obtained which would not require not now as before. At the very fi. st lash the new and scarcely the aid of such brutal inflictions. Let any thing be done to formed skin wits torn to tatters, the scarcely cicatrised save the country from the imputation of this abomination. It wounds were again torn open, and soon the whole of the was satisfactory to hear that the flogging was now in the pro integuments of the back were torn to r ibbons, and screams, portion of Ito 19) of thenumhfehre punishments now inflicted forth InlBolatnedd shrieks, and all the other s i g ns o f writhing ago n y were called 1827 it was as one in 50. forth at every stroke of the cat. The second cure was not as were of a lighter character, and yet the condition of the army before. When the author left the regiment on promotion a few was more satisfactory. This punishment was also more on the months afterwards, he left a poor hectic wretch in the hospi- decrease in the Colonies, and yet was the army in the Colonies tat, creeping about with his back not healed, as before, for less efficient. Dr. Ferguson said that within the last half healthy suppuration could not be obtained, but extensive century the lash was in universal requisition ; it was supposed sloughings had taken place, and abscesses in various that the whip-cord formed the soldier, The result was that parts had been formed, which could not be healed. ) the British soldier was, when discharged, a ruffian—than He would now read an extract from Marshall's " Military :Vim whom no one more dangerous could be received into the bosom cellany," which comprised the statement of an officer who hal of the country. The experiment of diminished punishment himself formerly been a drummer. He stated that for eight was at length tried, and the public opinion was brought to bear years it had been his miserable duty to inflict the punishment of on its cruelty. The lash was diminished and the result was a flogging three times a week, and that after the first 100 lashes, tenfold better condition of the army. He could not but believe the suffering was extreme, and that after 300 lashes, his clothes i hat the Noble Lord had been temporarily overruled ; and were saturated with blood, and he would run to the barracks to with regard to any opposition he might have met with at the escape the sight of his comrades, and to divest himself of the Horse Guards, he hoped that the Noble Duke, having made so pollution of his fellow soldier's blood. That frequently he has great a concession to the public, would at length abolish the picked pieces of skin and flesh from his clothes, which had been small remnant of the evil. The officers who inflicted these punish torn from the poor sufferer's back. A late friend of his, Air. ments were not themselves visited by it. Scenes of drunkenness Jeremy Bentham, suffered much from this proximity to the were not uncommon amongst them, and yet what was called flogging yard, and used to tell him that he was tortured by the their human weakness was visited upon the rank and file by shrieks of agony he used to hear from the suffering soldiers. the lash. He would ask that, without reserve and hesitation, One of the severest operations in surgery was the operation the House would agree with him in the resolution that flogging for stone, and when skilfully performed, lasted only a few should be now once and for ever abolished.—( Cheers. ) minutes; and it had been said that each was equal to the Mr. 11. BERKELEY, in seconding the motion, said that it incision of the skin in that operation ; 50 lashes were then to was not without some hesitation he consented to do so. When be retained—the soldier was to be subjected to a punishment a civilian rose on a question lake the present,. he generally met equal to 50 incisions. The extent of the punishment could that kind of derision and sneering which had marked this ques not be measured, as its operation would be different, according tion from its commencement. He now rejoiced to find that it to the different temperament, and that which might kill one, was the intention of her Majesty's Government to take up might be endured by another safely. There was one instance this subject, and that the edict for the modification of punish in which a soldier, in the course of his service, had received ment had gone forth from head-quarters. When he turned to no less than 15,000 lashes. Mr. Slade, when examined before the debates which had taken place on this subject, he found the a Committee on the subject of transportation, had also same remarkable feature which was to be observed in debates given evidence as to the uncertainty of the punish- on all questions of reform, viz., argument met by dictatorial ment, and its variation under different circumstances. assertions, which carried with it the majority. He could see That man said that when punishments were administered by no difference in the ancient evil of the torture and the present others who were liable to be bribed, the scourger inflicted the system of flogging, except that one was inflicted blows so they merely seemed to take effect, bnt when it as a punishment and the torture was inflicted for was administered under his superintendence, the skin was cut the purpose of forcing the truth from a witness. Ho by four lashes. That same man said he ordered that the thought that the torture of the steel boot, with its handle should be two feet long.—(Cries from several Members, horrible wedges, had a fair rival in the modern infliction of the Who ?) lie meant Dr. Slade, who had charge of the flog- lash. When it was 'proposed to do away with the torture it ging department. There were five lashes of whipcord, and on was said that law and justice would be done away with, and in each lash six or seven knots. That person said he stood by the present age it was said that the army could not be ruled and saw the punishment inflicted himself ; and when the without the lash. It was well known that in different institu scourger slid not do his duty, he adopted the system existing in times different punishments existed, and would any man say her Majesty's army, and had the seourgers tied up themselves. that the gallant French army was not as well disciplined as He said further that he found twenty-five lashes under his our own? He thought that there was too much distance placed superintendence were worth one thousand administered by between the private and the officer in the English army. Ile others. An eye-witness of one of these disgusting scenes, might say in the words of the bard of Elizabeth, reports concerning a drummer in the Coldstream Guards that " That in the captain's hut a choleric word he stood wee unnerved, and unable to str ike with vigour Which in the soldier is fiat blasphemy." during all the time of his 25 lashe s, and behind him stood In the En g lish arm y a man was thought to be a man of hormur ping, the drum-major with his cane, urging him to proceed. In and any officer who received a blow was considered to be. so the late case which had excited so much attention, the farrier degraded that he must either lose his commission or wipe out major said, on the inquiry, that he had no instructio: a how or the insult by a bloody remedy. A private soldier they allowed where to strike, and that he struck where he thought best ; so might he a man of honour, and yet he was compelled to re that it seemed there was no law to limit them in the adminis- ceive any number of blows. That man might afterwards, by station of this punishment just in those particulars where the some fortuitous circumstances, rise to a commission, and • greatest injustice could be done ; it was lett to individual taste, having been flogged ithout mercy while a private soldi er, a or caprice, or malignity. It put him in m ind of a case which blow inflicted upon him as an officer was considered as a gross he (Dr. Bowring) witnesse d in France. A convict condemned and glaring insult ismwas demo to be branded, happened on h is wa y out of p rison to trample on he believed t lash to a man not pm-f e v io it was, he feared, of upon him. He objected tl tothe lash, because h the foot of the executioner. T he executioner looked at the ralising, and ,to a man perfectly vicious prisoner and said " I'll pay you out for this," and on reaching little or no use. f the best disciplined regiments, was fire till it was red hot, and pressed it into the victim's forehead years' service l in some m o ish ents were absolutely necessary, The till it met the bone. He said he had several recorded cases that corpoora p the scene of punishment, lifted the branding iron, put it into the Colone PEEL said his own opinion, acquired duringseveral obliged to retain in their regiments men of the worst it was necessary for colonels of regiments, he o e leerecharacters. With regard to what had lately taken iio which use to il wasstr a t t h e e t caseh e e ff o e f cot one of t Edwards, heprop sentence before, d 59 lashes—SO lashes, he must remind the House—the number p ce at Hounslove, it was, he thought, most unfair to attemp proposed to be retained by the Noble Lord. That man was pia on to attach a stigmato individuals in consequence • t of the inflic sentenced and received 50 lashes, but such was the effect r tion of these unishments unless it could be prove at him that he could not bear his cross belts wag ha lexceeded their duty. From the momentthey He was as that she first ae use his arms for three months after. count of that flogging appeared in the young man. papers, Colonel Whyte a tall, genteel looking, slender „ 1 who suffered was assailed by every abuse that calumny could invent or false- There was another case of a man named Hen y seven months before hoed furnish. Colonel Whyte h , d little more to do withthe he lashes, and who was upwards of e the execution punishment of that unfortunate man than he (Colonel d he recovered. The drum-major who witness Peel) ofstruck the drummer had, and he certainly had as little power t h ) of the sentence of flogging o n a private, H o remit Le sentence e saw the man or any part of it. From the moment the to the ground for not performing his dutyhe died in Horse Guards it 're' taken case was before the who was being flogged fall to the ground, and was enti out of his hands; and had pwooh:oseibwr of ini,ang the commanding officer been absent the witnessing of the inflic tion of the punishment would have devolved on somebody else, and would have proceeded precisely in the same nn , nner. With reference to the said ease of punishment, the statement that a man had been flogg e d for savi ng ':bello" to his'itergeant had never been contradict e d, and he wou ld un d ertake to contradict it. The man had previously been confined for misconduct, and had been warned against a repetition. Hi s answer to the der. geant wa s i n an insolent tone, and it was well known that a man might be insubordinate and insolent without saying a word. It was for this insubordination that the man was punished, an d that punishment w as necessary to keep up the discipline of the army. Mr. WILLIAMS said, he heard the statements of the Noble Lord with great regret, and be was sorry that he should have taken shelter behind the back of the Coramar.4 - #,lu-, Chief. The D u k e Of 111 {:iiington had not the, tc, apply the lash tn , t l.e back of a soldier sn, Mote, tha;i the merest corporal in the army. 74a power was vested iu the Queen, and ;;iven tn.Le t i exilessly by 10..rliaroe.r.t., with the strict pro yt,,.o that it snouid not, affect life and limb. It was most unjust throW the responsibility upon the Duke of Wellington. It lay entirely with lie;. Majesty's Ministers and advisers. They onght to 'n u ye a definition of the eat-o'-nina- calls, for they had it in evidence before them that f,fty lathes were equal to on' e hundred , and whereferc, be the use of 1.111116 " g f ' . ‘e num ber, when the mode of giving the puniahment `':Auld be varied i t Imo t ? There can - slit so be , a - res , c lonsibility some where for the death of Il ia Ilan . The 1 ' 1 7; did not allow that life or itnh shn - ild be affected ;but .. .as that carried out? N o; and if there was a reisnO . :.sibility laid upon some person it would go far to ',.cmove the dangers of the infliction of this Puni sb nient, if it was still to be continued._-( Hear, hear, Napoleon was as good a soldier as the Duke of 'Wel lington, and he abolished the punishment of flogging, AN HON. MEMBER—No, no. It was the Convention. Mr. WILLIAMS—WeII, the Prussian army does not allow this punishment ; it does not exist in the French army, and where can yon find better armies in the world ?—(Hear, hear.) There was a frightful power also vested in captains of ships, who could give forty-eight lathes. a number which in the navy fully equalled one hundred in the army, It was not to be endured, that the punishment should be continued, and he called upon her Majesty's Government to reconsider their determination. Captain LAYARD aaid that he was not disappointed in the ccurse adopted by the Government, and ho rejoiced that the princple had been so fully recognised that corporal punish ment might be wholly done away with. He formerly was an advocate of corporal punishment in the army, but he had changed his opinion even long before it was at all popular to attempt to meddle with the discipline of the army. But he now believed that public opinion had now set in so strongly that it would be impossible to stem the time. He was con vileed that her Majesty's Ministers had used great exertions to introduce this change among the heads of the army. Mr. FOX MAULE— Oh no, no, by no means. Captain L AYA RD—Well, it seemed that it was not so, but he would say that it was a very late conversion. If he were a private soldier he would much rather be shot than flogged.— ( Hear, hear.) (Mr. Fox Maille shook his head.) The Hon. Member shakes his head. Good God 1 would it not be much better ? who would not prefer to be shot through the head than be floggee, acid die in a week? Th.. Hon. Member then att ver o O ti,. ‘ - ‘4.,: that flogging had been abolished an IncLa under Lord W. ilentinck. An Hoig, ItIE . NIBER,—Oh, it has been restored. Captain LAYARD was sorry to hear it, but it was an answer to the objection that they could not restore the punishment if they once al.olished it.—(Hear, hear.) He was cc.nvinced that the army could not be held together if they continued the system. Twenty lashes was the utmost that could be given in the Russian army. Lord J. RUSSELL—On what authority do you state that is authentic? Captain LAYARD—He could assure the Noble Lord that he would not bring anything before the House which was not so. He held in his hand the testimony of Dr. Marshall, as to the truth of his assertion, and the fact was very well known.— ( Hear, hear.) And they were in England engaged at that moment discussing the clemency which reduced the punish ment from 150 lashes to 50—( Hear, hear, and cheering)— when in Russia there could only be twenty lashes inflicted, and that as a maximum of punishment. The Honourable Member then read an anecdote of a soldier, viho, being con demned to death for a mutiny, obtained leave of his command ing-ofileer to go to Glasgow to transact some private business, and gave himself up at the end of the time to meet his fate. The man was not executed, the lot of death having fallen on one of his comrades. The Hon. Member then read several ex tracts to prove that it was impossible for the medical man to be certain in his opinion, or answerable for the life of a man who should only receive fifty lashes. The Hon. Member also read an opinion from Sir John Cam Hobhouse, in .1-127, in which he said that flogging ought to be abolished, and that the custom rendered our army, instead of being before, second to the French. The principle of enlistment ought to be changed, and if it was so they would have no ne cessity to continue corporal punishment. Mr. NEVILLE had listened to the speech of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government upon this subject, and if he might be allowed to make a remark upon it, he would say that he was sorry it had not gone further in the right direction. When he heard so much said upon the condition of the soldier he could not refrain calling the attention of the House to the case of the military knights of Windsor, whom he thought were not sufficiently cared for by the Government of this country. Colonel REID said that he could not shrink from the per formance of a public duty on the present occasion ; he had served in her Majesty's army for thirty years, and that nothing but an imperative sense of duty had induced him to come to the c mclusion that at the present moment corporal punishment could not be done away with in the army. He thought that different degrees of crime deserved different de grees of punishment, and the soldier who could rob from the box of his comrade, who slept near him, deserved greater punishment than the man who had been guilty of nothing more than a mere neglect of duty. Punishment by flogging in the army had the effect also of preventing the commission of crime among the other soldiers of the regiment. Imprisonment was no punishment at all; it was looked upon by the men as a sort of relief from their duties; it had not the same effect upon the individual as upon that of the civilian ; corporal punishment fearedon the contrary had a moral effect, and the bad soldier it on account of the physical infliction. He thought it very easy to inflame the public mind upon this subject, and lead them away by false statements of the abhorence and disgust with which soldiers viewed the infliction of corporal punishment. It was a well-known fact that in the army a system was pursued some years since, by which the soldiers themselves held a court-martial on any man who might have committed any action that was considered disreputable to the regiment, and had power to inflict a corporal punishment on the offender. In the regiment to which he belonged (one of the regiments of the Household troops), but two cases of flogging had taken place for a number of years ; one of them was for theft, and if the offender had been handed over to the civil power he would have been transported for life. That sentence was not, however, carried into effect by his consent ; he had tried to prevent the infliction, but the Commander-in-Chief refused to interfere with the sentence. It was accordingly carried into effect, and since that time not a single crime of that nature had taken place. (Hear, hear.) He thought the best course which could be adopted with reference to the army would be to try to raise their moral position, and give them the means of recreation, amusement, and education. Such a course had been productive of most beneficial results in the regiment to which he had the honour to belong. He had established libraries for the use of the soldiers, some ground lead been obtained at Windsor for their use, and he had endeavoured to establish savings' banks in the regiment, but they had failed, because the soldiers were afraid that the knowledge of their savings would get to the Government, and they might then make an attempt to reduce their pay, With regard to the personal comfort of the soldier, he would state that he had not the common means of washing himself, and he felt that he ought not to be punished if he was found defi cient in cleanliness on parade. There were no less than twenty or thirty nen crowded together in ,the same sleeping-room ; and, in addition to the want of clean liness which this produced, it was destructive to health.—(Hear, hear.) The atmosphere of such rooms was posi'ively deleterious, and day after day his heart was made sick at the scenes which he witnessed. 'With regard to discharges, he thought that soldiers should obtain them before they were worn out, and made unfit for all civil employment. It was too bad, that at the end of their service they were sent away with only a pension of 6d. par day. There was the case of a man who had served 21 years, and an opportunity having offered for his obtaining a good situation, he ( Col. Reid) advised him to apply for his discharge, and after a correspondence on the sub ject, it was refused by the Secretary at War, on tile ground that there was no special reasons to justify it. The situation was afterwards filled up, and the man becoming invalided about a year afterwards, he was discharged with a full pension, which would have been avoided if his application had been granted. _ _ _ Mr. B. OSBORNE had listened vv:th some attention to the statements which had been made on this subject, but he could not agree in the opinion that the time had come when flogging should be abolished. It was not necessary that the raw-bone style of oratory should be employed to depict the cruelties of this system. He held that the question should be regarded not only as to its effect on the army, but also on so ciety. He was afraid that he would not please the admirers of William 111., when he stated that the pugishment originated with that great commander. It had always been the custom to select the lowest grade of seciety for the army, and that being so, it required them to be cautious in taking away this punishment before they got the army recruited from a better class. He objected to the introduction of solitary confinement into the army, as he had known several instances in which it had been of the greatest injury. Lord Bexley had prayed the Legislature to abolish the solitary system in the Milbank Penitentiary, and to introduce corporal punishment in its stead, it had been found so in jurious. He would next refer to the abolition of flogging in the French army. It was abolished in 1794 ; but what had been the punishments awarded in its stead? Why, in that army there were forty-five offence3 for which the punishment was death.—(Hear, liear.) He thought flogging was much better than such a state of things.—( Hear, hear.) There must be some kind of instantaneous punishment, and flogging was the best punishment of this kind that could be adopted. In the French army the punishment of death was awarded for striking an officer, while there was in common use what was called the punishment of the " pulley," which was, at taching a cannon-ball to the leg of the party, with which he had to move about for twelve years.—(Hear, :hear.) Such was his answer to the Hon. Member for Coventry regarding the French service. Toere was another point on which he (Mr. Osborne) joined issue with the Honourable Mem ber for Coventry. He did not think with that Honourable Member that the soldier was overpaid. d. Far from it. Considering the privations he had to of co mparative virtue crp un derg o , tiveara great exertions, and his having to leave a for that of military strife, he thought the common soldier was most inadequately rewarded. He was paid worse than any husbandman, and it would be impossible to get a gaod body of soldiers until a reform was made in this respect. There ought to be every encouragement for a higher class of c uits, and for that purpose the y should g ive higher re ward.rer With regard to flogging, he agreed to some extent with the Hon. Member for Bolton, but not to the whole extent. He was not for the entire abolition of flogging like that Hon. Gentleman. He (Mr. Osborne) con,idered that some punishment should be retained, and a limited application of fogging was he thought best for this purpose, and such was the opinion of Sir Samuel Homily, who had been quoted as an authority on the other side of the quest i on. Both Sir Samuel Romily and Mr. Wilberfo rce too k that view of the ques tion. It was their opinion that there was another party to be consulted as well as the soldier, and that was the civilian.—( Hear, hear.) What would they think, if in the line of march the soldiers were to commit any flagrant breach of discipline, and there was no instantaneous punishment of this kind to appeal to? He would, under existing circumstances, vote with the Hon. Member for Bolton, though he thought the power of flogging should still be retained on a line-of.battle march. In the event of that motion failing, then he would propose the motion as to limitation of flogging, according to the principles he had laid down, and of which he had given notice.—( Hear.) Captain LAYARD offered a few words of explanation re specting an alleged discrepancy between certain returns he had quoted from, and which had also been referred to by the Hen. Member who last addressed the House. Mr. FOX MAULE said the lion. Member who had just sat down had made a most conclusive speech in favour of the retention of the power of inflicting corporal punishment in the hands of the military authorities, yet he concluded by de claring that he would vote with the Hon, Member for Bolton, for forcing the Government to take :a step for the abolition o, it altogether. He thought it would be a dangerous step to abolish it allogether, and then he inconsistently proposed to supsn t a motion to that effect. The question under cense. duration was at all times a disagreeable one, and one on which those who rdvocated corporal punishments could not compete advantageously with those who took the popular view of the subject. Every attempt was made to dress up such ceses, and harrow up the feelings of the public. He admitted that punishment by the lash, to the extent to which it had hitherto been carried out, was most revolting, and could only be justi fied by the sternest necessity. But Hon. Gentlemen Nebo brought forward end supported the motion for its aesolitions seemetl to give themselvss no concern as to wleat would be s efficient substitute if they took it away, that respect he must beg leave to differ with them, when they proposed to disturb the system hitherto in opeeetion. It was right that they should p ro p ose th e su b st i tue;on of some other system that would be equally, if not more efficacious.—( Hear.) The public mind had been much excited by the late unfortunate occur rence at Hounslow. Had it not been for that, so satisfied ware the public, tleest the Government an d a ll those in civil and mill • tart' aut'.ority were desirous to do everything to improve the P e ee'tion of the soldier that he believed no notice of the question now under consideration would have been taken in the present session of Parliament. As it was, this occurrence taking places Is Al been most unfortunate, as likely to erercise, by the excite ment it had produced, an injurious effect on the members of the service. With reference to that occurrence he must say, that great injustice had been done to the commanding officer, aid the other officers of the Hussars.—( Hear, hear.) They had been subjected to unmerited obloquy ; and if it had occurred in any other regiment, where character did not stand so high as that of the 7th Hussars, it might have seriously affected its discipline. He had great confidence in that regiment, and he wished to make it known that the officers and privates of it bore a most exemplary character in the quarters in which they had been previously placed. He would read a note to that effect, which he had received from the rector of the parish. The Right Hon. Gentleman then read the note, which was to the effect, that during a twelvemonth the regiment had been stationed there, both officers and men, had exhibited the best general good conduct. Not on e case et immorality or irregularity had taken place.—( Hear, hear.) Such was the character which the regiment bore; and be deeply regretted to read in the public papers that several pri vates had been called on to give evidence, the purport of which must lead to a further investigation, for the matter could not be allowed to rest there.--( Hear, hear.) This was all he would say concerning that civil investigation, and he would now come back to the real question. The Hon. Member for Bolton wished to deprive the officers of all power of inflicting corporal punishment. Now, to meet the objections that had been taken to the present system, the Government, with the consent of the commanding officer, admitting that the death of the person at Hounslow had resulted from the flogging , though that, he would observe, was contary to the evi dence of all the military officers examined, had e.ausee, the subject to b e b roug h t under the consideration of the Commander-in Chief, the Duke of Wellington• The Duke of Wellington immediately said " this shall net uccur again, and though flogging cannot be dispensed with, still 1 shall not sanction any punishment to the injury of li e f ( ' or lime," The Duke or evenin g s°. suggested that the pun's' mcnt should he reduced to fifty lashes, and he (Mr. F. elaule) was sure that if he was to go as far back as his Hon. Friend had gone, its the military authorities quoted by him as to the brutality of military punishment, they would all be found to admit that fifty lashes was no punishment at all. Her Ma jesty's Government had, however, come to the determinatio n to reduce the number of lashes, and to adopt that as the maximum ; having determined, at the same time, to endeavour to raise the character of the British soldier as far as possible; and in hope that the epoch would come when, though cor poral puni.hment would still be retained in the military code, the lash should be unused in the British army.—( Hear, hea r. ' A consummation, however, he would say, which, if looked for, was to be sought only by means dictated by sound discretion, by a system of sound di s cipli ne , an d o f rewar d s i n t h e cas e merit. But, he said, he might be asked by those who We! .o opposed to all corporal punishment, what their object was in maintaining this system of co r p ora l p un i s h ment. Th ose ilu ( c i were against it might say that th e y ma i n t a i ne d, f rom ant i qu ated notions, that they could not do without it. Now l' he said, was labouring under no antiquated notion when he su pporte d the diminished quantity of corpora l pun i s h ment ? I t was very natural for these who were no t acqua i nte d w i t h the British army to talk with a feeling generosity about the systeldl, corporal punishment. They ought to recollect that the Brio! army existed by the strictest obedience being rendered by the major to the colonel, th e cap t a i n to t h e ma j or, t h e li eutena nt 0 the captain, and so on down to the corporal and the private el: the ranks ; the efficiency of the army depended on the ob dience of inferiors, and that on the discipline which was inglf tained. If they should abolish this system of discipliner ia 0 they refused to support the officers in their attempt to maide hst the discipline of the army, it' wou ld come a t l ast t o this, es they would not get men from the ranks to take man non-commissioned officers—(H ear , h ear )— an d a man "" e ore circumstances would sa y t o hi s superior officer, " it is a', o be well for me to have s t r ip es on my arm, b ut if I am end struck on the breast with a poker by any worthless vaga t e a bie when I am talking to him of matters of duty, no respee the man will take such a situation." He said then, befe re _ te re House deprived militar tribunals of that which was neeesthei to the discipline of the y army, especially in times of ware eo al must substitute something else. But he supported the prev,fiele of the Government on another ground, the proteetion nt ' o e was owing to the British public. The Governme,, if charged with maintaining the discipline of the army. ' nay they considered not only the public expectation as to the,artVe that it should be well regulated, but if they c onside s r t e a d flo g jealoasy which existed in this country as to a a s army at all, they must see the urgent necessity of disci! nee nt e otherwise the public would have men billited upon them " 1 of low character and also without any discipli ne to c outr° them. An Hon. Member had mado an exception in favour corporal pareshment when the soldier was on the ro t aec, a de in quarters or to n, cases would occur when he miss be ",aOl 1 0 an example of, to deter others from committing' the ' , crimes. As to the condition of the soldier, he som ething had been done, and perhaps v er y mueshato /L e i a ts; yet be done ; but at present he would say no thi ng on that,a: the subjects connected therewith requ i re d mature c OO sideration, were well worthy of a tt en ti on , an d wou ld r eceiv e it from the Government. Means had been used, and with souse e , good effect, to substitute in part a sound system prison discipline for corporal punishment. ; During the last 14 e four in Ireland, and one in Scotland. ers military prisons in Great Britain a li.eland fo l u 'e r r in w England. months, the number of prison less than 100 lasses, whereas, hence 20 had been subjected to corporal punishment, receiving net ha f d or b t e h e , n th 4 e 76 l lowest s w t h w o o m u cl onlyb e ' b )4 li ' shm l e ' hnetswwheorlee opened ethnoedse, edoidmomoittteexdoteoedpr3irpne,rsioleicnet.thosHeeesht:ai it from the officers themselves, that they received their les' , bark from these prisons better men than they were berafoorbeere; said much had been done for the soldier, and much to be done to lead the private to behave himself. It liebleto said of the good-conduct money, that the soldier was r o f it. feel the influence, and would not avail hinesel o t He said, that since January, 1845, thirty non-coon" re , hr_ officers had received commissions, and that a lloy/ in th e made them of 1001. in the infantry, an d 15° A been cayalry.—( Hear, hear.) Again, sav i ngs ' b an ks hausoleier established in the army, and they showed how' th e i 16 44 : would avail himself of thei r a d vantages. I n elarc' i ; e els there were 1,e90 dep os it ors , an d a sum of 15: 0° am oun t year the depositors had increased to 3,414, and the 0 , yet to 35,000/. 'llia returns for the present year had no cad" been all received, but such as they had got in led t" lore se fitlently to expect that there would be a considerab le _ o a r both in depositors and money. He said, though theyted_l'soidie corporal punishments, when they had instructed ne,......tebbe: in his duty, and encourged him in doing _T o, it _ they had made use of these two in s e its ,efit had hopes that the lash would be unused end felloeif l ose desuetude. But if, he said, the House took on it? e ,... i d ceas!' this motion, and to say that this mode of discipline sn c a ty set t the House took upon itself all the responsibility , vc o. l 7 t h e tel e was, of depriving, through a good but mistaken feeling , iseir ecie tary tribunals of this necessary power to maintain t a' osie of the army. - . _ h i s °T or e Sir C. NAPIER said he felt compelled to e g ir Noble feel tion to the motion ; but, after the declaration of the 5500 0 0 that punishment should be reduced to 50 lashes, he oe „sle . ll o surprise if it should be pressed. He would ask the Hon. her , who proposed to abolish corporal had ever read the dispatches of the Duke of W e llingto n o f I; j l O punishment altoge . l ,7 1 - t,a o he ever read how that Noble Duke, who commande d _ ( ! io tore finest armies in the world, had stated that after a e, re tre ys could not control any soldier ? He (Sir C. Nald er , o l se n, th e ,. bered once in the Peninsular war, in a Portuguese d e ser e ' s , was such a devastation as it would he impossible %e ft ee , r_ e, On one occasion the Duke of Wellington had foun d eee b a ng e " so sary to order some of those who served under him t e_o e re sass Now, lie should like to know, when it was necessap r : t bere,." o „ severe an example, how it was possible to act when the no discipline whatever? He trusted, therefore, that ised, , Gentleman would withdraw hi s mo ti on , i t suer Mr. WAKLEY said he must confess that he fe lt r after what had transpired, that the punishment by eogg hh e the army was not to be immediately abolishee t • op pon oi t feeling was in favour of that course, publi c j u dgment O it, and public opinion demanded it.—( Hear, h e ar.) tha t t he assure the House, from his own personal observatteho on the this subject there was a stronger feeling abroad t o. eO f corn-laws, and that that opinion must be given wai t() O il se ed Right Hon. Gentleman would excuse his adverting o ass d 't ia ol his points wash tis question. In the first place , t e ;es ti l t oie ej that there something wrong in the soldiers se e , to lately taker, place, because some private soldiers:eojeveo ;or to give their evidence on that case. Now h e e sea' sig atied' state that when he went to Hounslow that then. ne es for of assistance given hint by the authorities in tin', nee°' noc to and that it was even stated that there was, o e o re fere es th e inquiry, and by some parties that flogging h att eq uene e :of that the death that had taken place. The con s so stane, c ire kind Court derived no benefit from anY a to self eo ett kind. Therefore he thought it beam - et... Isaelf (o dic" matter in the hands of a private corporal officer. The ploOe than whom there was no more efficiereo ev e idence , bell e: was against the majority of thes medicalbut was what r eil t os s there were five medical wnittreemsseen'o be relied upoo „ stated by three of these ge w ithout making a comp 00 ;0 , body, they had stated tlee eir e tlel f t i o n that the Right Hon• ur . e e - elie7, o o o lt itiot w rt a ee s inx h o eu n .m. h n f i n s at;l:i)sofeonrinbcaodatthei o s e make his statement. who introducedtemitennet.subjtercotdoenr the the s il e fo e n ir d o a n y in a s f t t n e n r, ce n' s a w l a t t, ; 10 .- b o a s, ir ro e remained for him but to cause an ingry. f e re' instituted, and he being referred to had selected to i d se as Wilson for that purpose. Now he thought it rigeWilsoa, se a the House who that gentleman was. Mr. Erasind a „ e ars % s e' the son of a naval surgeon, who served fifteen c'oeone.,BCi during the war. In 1825 his medical educatiell let t er under Mr. Abernethy, in Bartholemew's HesP i e ta o enjdY e iees . 27, he was house pupil to Mr. Langstaff, where e sun g t he or p•• usual opportunities of seeing and - assisting in su tore/Y t eon t ' tions, inspecting bodies, and studying morbid and te Langstaff being surgeon of the parish of CrleP l i eg se a usen e %tiee' and the possessor of an excellent pathological pee e eee 1628, 29, he was engaged in the pursuits of 1 1 °7_P j e3o ree f th e dissection and operative surgery in Paris, ex ef ina tio or n_u o g r i: qualified for general practice by passing the r i fle e f e s is 4 Apothecaries' Company. In 1831 he became e e d co n c g t e d co lle t t r cal practice by passing the examination f th ° he Un ive"l Y oO tta geons. In 1831-35, he engaged in t and dein fB 34 rif, re in the capacities of prosector to Dr. Quotient a l oot*. i l i n c idelh e o r in the dissecting room, as well as priva in 00 a cji , studied hospital practice during the summerf lect ure' t er and in 1836 delivered a course . o enhenn . s tree les te t t his tomy and physiology in the Di Le b e came jo cal school. In 1637, 38, ss 9, . morbidaeatonVeoreuVree on anatomy, physiology, and morbid A Syclenham - College. In 1838 he sas a s n , 10 is4o 4Dt le hor e 3 te , surgeon to the St. Pancras Infirmary, e :; s aws,' of te6 l on anatomy and physiology in the Medi atu l e o h..ecie_ as e iee to stlesex Hospital. In 1840-42 he bee . n in ee he v`, o o, _ nt paper with which he was connected, and 1 its o f En. , g ,0 1 ao r so 3 Fellow of the Royal College of Su r ge ° l s o ciety , oo s 1e45 he was elected Fellow of the Roya ~,r onsa el l y ii.oo t r of a paper published ie the " Philosophi c -1 mr. f Vlb two other papers, read before the !eel' . t n Y i ;i ec ts, e r n e e p ' spe rg s ° of the author of seven works on rnedlea e " J. 0 two, -" s actl l l o ya l had undergone three editions, and o r l: the 6, 'lran the 1 zo t physioloeical subjects, published papers re ad he s f er i: oa toal r es. Scientific Societe - es two Tr;elopdi a °t tesilson'' 1150 '4 Seetety of two articles in the fist a Mr. 0 ., . bis Phyeietogy." The following is " read a list r ous d i ' e2" ce °l e ( The Learned Gentleinan then mat , _ ou t a ne l ore est study, and he weuld ask where the subject works.) Now that gentleman h ‘ a v n as a Qf t he petent te give evidelpee on legentlerna i 0,4 lillE SUN, LONDON, S ATURDAY MORNIN'er, Alt G- Sl' 8, 1816„ i~