The Sun. — London, England, 1805-05-24 00:00:00

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' tliitt ii. l',"0 Ott these Getoletnets, he U.0'01,1 s Y 1 ~.., 4 i • e they' 'v s ' ere they were utiworil - ~t this con....t..ene , 111"1" tCh ); at thi4r ) si.ill'ii,,ns. - And wha t were Ih:it stri,ic,7s vArieli %),' , ..r). o+nsiilefed \l"'s 'a v a 1: I ti- • 1'),,b1iat,,,,t),:,f, to thrt:,,rnmir'iuner,S Ur' N,;kieeli ififlliq'f int.! liii . ,if ;,V il)rn; fh 'Vile ATho‘l"-ln '. b ad . 1-,:,,,46'41A 41("Jantls, : 'I Ll:pet - A:4e of 144fidi no - rlyory , !. c_ c61..111-qc, a'n'y inotil4than • of .:tbo''‘e• vyl,4d,' 17.,„, lull wtts•iui the - S'tlitte , '•Ex Fedi ( ton, '' inciill''-'7,"1",, •, 4 ` l Y 43 notorktis a i ii ' Wait • abstad 1 ... ' , A ,. .. 1 .(411 talked ali.;ut ir; 4r1(1 - yet it W'W- , Jat , g' , 9 p re. Itn . I to keep i t from tbe knowled,..*,e ot ult.!' 9u111... the salts • ....11)1\siorkets orate Navy ! W,irth "gdrdi°l • .i' d ' l ,,k e " I ' l ol lie Wes tksirotts that :the 'lciose . .s.:nu c, _.... • en irittai::)lti'aite:l'iiilahg.c‘l4dei:litr'tt:ltl l'tll.l:ea rlk.ol.4));l3,:'sekt'als)tl:C:l:r:ci:imn:l,:::e.d'ad::.:7 Iht li.:n as in. a diirrent ,s'i"II°11;' ---I:1r) in Which it watithicea 0n...a -late IllefaOstald tide adroit led. hy ilieintlivioui J 0 state:. ivosv 116,' blitirtalinitiryn-iilti been iiilide; - Tile 8,!..4...... .' Hie!tts:tiro.iined in ih: !:Eicvei.th Rep0rt."1").c":,17.., , l'r){(111y 'tiiiicieni to ltistilY• ie"lii6g ' it u. 1.“ ' • ,re . ,. ritlei. , Thi ,:int d to, ,orpmm tA,Y.!II' 4,-.7,1,i. Iti,,sio f„ totoitvientty. by, Alle,kight :r- ron•• '-' ' not, , I t 11"tifirisitet; hut :tvherliti. h4l.ol'l"'"d si t' k ' r td t )fr it kvti , ) the itouriden clue it ,the l'lrg'44e I° IV',.d,i'it lir; ,tal,nY. "Cr.dal't ivitly.whielt The Coo" i t".' i''''" '',I,":11-..tii,.., • o"ill4iftlihy' stf ehlteirtititiekr anal rhiy W9U " 4 : ht . , L .l ., iit ti! ' thtii'libigttiOfl - lib': their ith'ullt4T it '1 . t , , u4 ' ) ed: aq itriw,ortby,.ciliihoei.4iioti to interPn.,si Ilii",d'revetit; ittt'..illifilment Of . atilt ti"l' :.1( ":11 it s -L' ' itihir tvgs 'of i Aidtnini t.ti (lot), IiPt.CF4Y, I ° "g 9v ` it Le'Clillttityr ,vi4ety':lind ,jti.tlii 'bur"P: g9vcFn.o ) ..:cledriiiht tii 'the lx4kli,...;:lll44'.%kertt' neit to' , s6t 1 , . i'tite,lit .opitionl. atliker. the ..written ,:sl.4tyle,s---- - ''' citi:!tt was' ridniternos, even ,v1444.11.14i.?'Cir,0u. '.'" 'sr;r i i„,, • 1., •,., • ". , 10 rree to JUS• iiiii, ~" UL,Ie tunes seeineit in sow- t -il ' iY4l'f',.:lVrllt liiitt 1 113,e''' cr. the , Miser v.iriom 111 , ild , e N o o n t Z' , rlituaotiir,,,, C 1.., the; culit„iie. que,tion . ~ 0 14tilit.tit'Ortingt tts't•':iitltritiisitie's .tttlii l Po by ibci ' • .I ► lt'llri'a°'• ikni-retli;ite (littler loaii'aPPrOcr*. e , • • .4 . . 1 1 „.• ~ t01;1`,,i.,‘,-,','Llhity', 'hi ,t tilat ii.rW,oulti' ticiiCh DU thlt i,: .' init'Vlata vv.hichi we were baund to•rnaintair pure 4 '''ketflot . 1, : . -.' .ovise detai led in ' t i te i r . 14 ilie.! 'Sholllll'.litfth 'Nth' 0; .(erupt . .0001. Pever4ll.lkertirr:Lic bufre.fect.togi—t, on , w ' .All lirNw r. r' hdve oCtinlittrution to. otaiotain, ' ,l ‘--' -- live r ,; • .. ' that : ' '• ~ 'rite 'AiiJle'nf , • . -t t 14 411,C (4ninkS k t i 0,..., . , tilt! h;evemii Repe ~.. __,, , 0 • • a ~,' - liii jr3u4,! tv.,,,,:ti 4 of(fiiity . A IVOuld 11Z • I'( 1. I i'c i s r t t.,,,F . ' ~ tl tiLlf)(tlittOC;' 40 otamint• II c: inalicrli 61,1,F;...11-i't ' '' . .;:14T16' Lit to tilt -House. 4'he.-14raftleu ,?.,'.l----- 1.'4114..d. with rnoving,.. that the.'whole of the Ele. vtrali ' L ‘'Pott be referred to.a'SLstet Committee' 10 1 tgrkltt•lL ti, ''''' Matter rif the same as it ..,,,!„•ii 1 dio u r c t Aillear Lt.) , to th e 1.1 lethet with titeir °pillions t:lie,re()", 1 0 titt. • . 1 ' ' :" e ' Cll 41 N C ELLA a 1? of the EXC;1E1.2.70, , R . . . • trim CO 1ft:0411)1e 111.31"eliiir "1"(11(1:40t he necessary tor ~ „ 1 . to (41 'st long as he was so tar 1 froro , IV" ' irl g . ()1/14)4e . i i T ' '• • 1 le tttepory pro.)osed by tleHonottt.ible •an" 4tarried . , I C,,,,t) 1.11 Jrnttetnan, • that the . appointinent Of , 21 : lint,illtiii!'",i.o.t. that. purp,,Hp v , ..ts .the ul 'i'et 'i t 1113 I the L .Y sotilL'i he, to explain the Watt 111 " i " UeSir e* Ile ••VV..S Stile the TC . Lltit 0 'fY th e 1144 al ; (1 ' I- , unt(l Gi.tintr inall in a twinnet.. t:;,rs • re:erred to. 1,,1ft0l . . ~ e, . , ~ • . ~ • was Y t.ttisll4loty t o the I loose ; 4h. it, the re '. . - .' 1 id :lie so ex plaira.d, necessary these twitters soou , . _.:„..,.,:,,,,.., 1444 1 a .1i ih e , Ho/unit-able and )..e. : arn e d t. ~:n f t , 1 (I 1 ' 4 41 room so cumpletely Co 16i4t3ke t l .c , • ~11(14tild not, howtr, agice to, the N'l.,tt(m in k'S it. : eitXitnli he 't+ iir.it p.m of thi, ft . . l ) •rt which . , 4i I 1" Se Sers,ice cookl with prOl'tiel' tie ' , rt 'd ° llly to ii Srcret Committer. W-itevcr :.. net t . tu a Slt ()I Olio nature, lie was ready 10 itll9w "In"). IL, eel C ommit ice As it tioy be inconventeitt .s two Q • ' •') : e ti ne o n , th, e sa tfigitilitiees iilioUld 41( at, I,l e '11" 4 • k bc,ing . It e ly to ftle, Cl, stlbjv the Came bWithet!licli, " e ex ' u nnied by bo - th, and 'perhaps to be to b , , shotild itt,,i),,, Y Pout pat tile siiiiie tittle, Ile tb4ltt litidt that the Corntnittee for the g ener al tilittel i) in4titutiAl oral, and whet) th." C t"- t„ittct hhtaild have m itt l e its ,k,..))ort, the Cont. - Tlit) ti ,1 1 , 4 il- e triter matter ;nay in ai'lluirfied• th e 4 ' ,"e igreett tints generally in the objects ot •,:ti;.))) ' ' iets4tio 0 l ie could wit help offering so!ltc,,ub' 11,444 111,1 u.) i.shdt had 'alien truth the Hoo . Ge"- " A 'Y-.1,i iii' l'r6l "6 to the idea that issuing fte.slt pay the ' , 3 10 reneW others, or to raise tuoOCY I°, 4ju il of rn,,,t,ff, tended to nothing eke than a sitspeo tet,dtt I.4rhanttnt, the Strtings of which it "'mid is ut'llecessary, striking at the :,attic tilne.4t.ihe r te .. °f the Constitution; he had to of.etve in flu: tuftli.l4l42e, that this ,),V3% iyit • the opinion of the hr,iii, 44.4teci-cii Inquiry, wIILI4g. il.i.lttnees. Wk.?"' 44t1 ilitgrilY, Wet e sea IllUCh'efinullendeti tly itte lion ! 444t11' e.‘e4tl:l.l4l(3elltltftiana. They 'wcrc!satisfietl with fete 6.:1:1 tli.3l i til t . Y (lid fiat SUppps.l. the •practice arose Til 1 - Y Gli!I ' ; . • • e,,ular. .t it,)„ R 111')II.Y.F, thUngh it WAS Irr , illf)t t i ti , •4" I..C,llrted Gentleman had argoed with 41.4,0 ottletlce than was•necesNary on a point Which o w } ti.olliti I , . ~... . ' i I . 'Y . 0 11( 1 L In( ll'ta tO rirspute, that it +No the ~,N . L .4 and their Mit;i3ferti to • govern ac. • , •• . • " •• " jerdi-g Bet site 14 , e. arid Leerned eeen. tletuan Rad overlooked the praeliee that hed sat long prevailed from Session; to Sessinn,,,on the necessit=y ineeitabl!,' felt, of iecureitig a istaq debt OM. year to year, for sererkes noe,provided tun in the year preceding. ;The praCtice had been long' recogr4td and had never been complained of. A MeaSuie which fit h-ad the lion - our to:recomMend, hatk,ren. tiered the issae Of these Navy Bills more Ccontemic, and harp been the means of saying millions'. 'to the • Country in the last war , This was . thesystem,ofpay mug alt bills at . the day, 'for if 'money was not ready to-ply tins, .the credit must of course be imp-tired. The.reasonsswhy the Navy Delet,grew tip weec va, rious, arising frOM the nature of the. serviCe , end the in inner in which - it , was provided for. The kleuse voted a certain nuinher rif Sea Men, which was made• the:ground of a retugh charge under all the different heads. 'The ply may perhaps he calculated with some Accuracy, if the numbers did pot vary; beirthe wear and tear, vitittelling, extraordinaries, stores; anti other expences, were necessarily uncertain in their amount. 'lt would not besides - be denied,. that. His nijesty, if he saw occasion, had ; riglit to increase the number Of seamen empleyed, While Perlietnent was not sitting. The prices .of stores ,aod videalling flueluated from year to year,sis it was impoisible any. Estimate could preclude . the necessit,y~ •of incurring Navy Pebt. The Inca. stire Which haei•been taken,at his reseonentendatiOn,- . in the last War,.of inceeasing the allowence.feirclm . 4 1 -to 71.'11 month; had gone very far to reduce the *acculhul itioe; hut it was-impossible to prevent the hitt .altnge'rh'er. • The ,O i atlice of issuing ,lelevy. , 1404 etc kid ,as the Revolution. For a lonee. tune t e e "only regulation with respeft to the pey. incur 'of them • was, elute those' of. lonee4 Stand. ling shoela he paid first; . Thus they spas; be ott'W etandieg ;for ,fifty or sixty years without any aheolette obligation to pay . ar any •Precise. The alteration that had been - adopted iti.4794: went not to prevent the issue of bills, Which was• impossible, but to provide that they elsotehl , be paid atethe end of fifteen months. The obleet of this regelattooewas tO relieve the bills frotn . the ditficul„ tics undee,Whiell they latettered in the .American. War, when ihe Uncertainty paytnent renderedehem sub'. jet's to a 'discount of from. i 2 to 18 .per Cen'. pr(tvis . ran not being found sufficient, it Was settled,. in that ;hey should be Paid ertheee months . 111 . 3 teeelation did away the discount, antrwas the. -mans ()t saving tnank•Millierte to else Nation. It was interkted UOt to preven=t the isSue of - the Bills, lat to -remedy the depreciation of fl:le Pat4i.', and to iociiiiatethe public service...lt happeeed that spore'. ortheie :Dille ceold not be paid. at .the er;cl, iii .he three 'months, from causee which the Comte t. tese, now .about to be appointed, 'would 'inquire into, without breaking, in on the money-reserved ifse,Neperrees• of .the. POCk,,,Yatels, ..VVetes, and ()ther expellees., an 'immediate -feed -for. which was. iedispetisible. It was neeeisare, therefere,eo issue fresh bilk to those of the. former Holders 'wbo Were' itiiiy ; to accept skein at a ;MA I to - raise; , neiney on die credit e;l'otherefor those tehoinsitireel•• on payment. eThis•amounted.tooothing•more at the utmost, with respea to. thc :Holder, Allan the. pity dent .itt six mow - Hs of.whet Was before - paid at fifteen. The money being raised for the perpose of paying hills issued for naval ruvpose - s,wa4, bona filei.arpl4d 10 naval services, and fairly accounted filt.to Var.. liament as'strch. The Hon. and Learned 'gentle:: man, ore Attie grounstoupposed a fiaitioue 'aCcounte calculated to tleetroy the credit' if all documents 1) 4 4,re Parliament from the Public Ogiees.— 'I-k supposed the documents Turptitted ,that the bilii we.rc for , one service, while the ComMittee would find they were for another. There "Was, no list of the particular application of the : sums, of money voted' tar naval servicesjaid before the'llotiet only . an account of the colleFtive amount of'- the 'suite .granted, statist that it was applied to . nasal sere • . • . vices, It Wits `to be supposed, however, itom the •professional habits of the'llonoUrable • and Learned ntlernane that he Would not preler a oltarge of such serious violation of the law; 'illerefure • it, 'was to be.' expeneti, the from wiutsne'ver source he might ,liatie derived thesis, slinuta entit..' to - the Aeorninittee prePared to g ye proofs the charges he had Amide, ;- ser, telleire; this he sli-nei return to the tloeSe ;e..e.,.,•.1 to rersile.t them. Itewould recollated chit tee year 1.300 Was a yea*" df: peculiar dia . :l'l6es. We bid an internal visitation of ecareity, which wes . not 'only a .catfse ut general distress, hut - -had the ()le& of enhancing the public expellees , conl46ted wirli the feeding • of•our,liteets ant Atinies .4: very -great degreein. -deed. • It% .rhut•yee.e else e tOWiirds the Cl i ose• of it, Ave wcre'menaced with a confederacy of the Northern Powets,..why hed,assumed . the ci e nenft:reof hostility eo . .us , otepoitits-esktintiel . to 'fhe hoeour and safety -of e eur Empire. .Greeit exertioes beeeme oecessery . in ,cenieeque tete; ir the equipment, of our FicEi,; and the set vik:lS of die Noble. LAO then At the head of the' Mat ire rt t (Kai!' . SpeivCc ), 'On the oecesion, evnuld ever be remeitibered with geatitude. the consequence, however, was great elaliculty;and ' a great 'increase:of cost' hi :most `articles of naval stores. , The.incicasc was.not less e.iari e from, 40 to 80 per cent. This teeeeeedid not go ones. the Hon. and Learned. Gentleman supposed, :from tVlarcit !Bob to May .t Boa, • For the falter part of this pefitid-he was 'mit responsible, but he was willing to, rake the respon6ibility upon The: Hon.' and Ledrof:d G:.nt:ern.in had fallen into a mis. take on this point ; and, from die manner in-which the Repoft'ativeried to it, -there was reaSai to think the Commissioners thernielVes hail made a similar Mistake. The issues 'the .I..'earned Gsntleman noticed so particularly began in (Molter, 1800, and coded in March, ISo i . • They ended as soon as the loan, ter that year efforded 'Means ;of making arrange. "negate for the payment of •them. • :The other. is sue- began in Septerribeii tiloe; • the difficulties continued to the Spring 'of fBot, The ,Prelitni. nariee of the Prate had been e egeriated •in the early part of this period; but the Definitive Treaty, w e ft not cohcluded till near the enetof it. No loan could ha nettle while the primal Stockseflutluated in the uncertainty between the two periods, so as 10 leave no room for a satisiatfory bargain. Jki soon as the loan afforded themeanSolan arreogentente it . was -tnade and they issue' had fiat . beenvine` Feet' rred to. 1 - le thought it right; -even in the present ts;'• qt!' the letiiiitess, to offer this explanatien. il.e lie was &ilre'W.wotilu be proved by the ir:eounts . the-Cnntinitte;wonldl"44ve to refer to, that the cointni.3 so much complained of was not deserving of' censure.. As to the; ninety daylifills, that could not be . tlititig.ht a — sUljet - t iur grave inquiry. Perhaps the, differen'ce betwceo eighty-nine and ninety days was- allowed for i,i die bargain ; or the Contra "tors might have thonglit 'it so little,. being only j:ld. in.' 1001. as not-to be worth atttnding to. Even Mr.:lG-oldstnitl, Whom be mentioned with respetl, accustomed was to I: calculations of this kind, had suffeted this differ ence to pass without notice. It was therefore , not wise wondered that it had escaped the Wavy Board.; and it was, hardly to havi been expected that the House of dommons would look to it with a tr.!eros copiceye. .The thinghadteen„ besides, corrected before the Cotrimittee of Inquiry had been insii.. cured.. With -respet\ to :the Secret Service, 'he , should not . enter into it much. ,No disclosure could be 'made consistently with a regard ,to what was_ due to the Public, and that good'failh' titre ' to the merits of the individual principally concert). ed ;. hilt he did not hesitate to say. he Was-satittiA the Committee would find it was a servii:e whic:: it was, .theduty of. the Governtnent. io protnOte, and that the 'merit of the individual principally con. eernedAirat deserving of the hietest'coosider4ll.,:p. The 'circumstances did not admit of discloure at .. the time, nor did they now. But the Committeee would report 'on 'the merits of the service, at,:; :hat' it was strictly naval in its nature, and t•ntid.v3 to be paid' direaly. out of -the naval tnoiey, if i t enuld have been disclosed at the time. .• Y.i3 he . ‘V34 sure woUld be made out id tho ,4t is.' lon cif the: House, and of the Learned Ger. :.-coatt-. Liinstit. Secret Service 'Money wars IriPt 1, ;.* issued , from the Civil List, :though soiris !ally yoted in aid of. the. Civil List The . lion. and Learned •Gerirkiit ,-+.4141 not vssibly think, . that Admirati-or c,-rs oft fiireigii stations. were not at I io ar, utpiley to the. purpose n prpco,in:; and thztt such money miy not h odid out of Or! sumi',Vott'd for . Army ',Or Nriyy As to .. the.Stetne...E'kpe:lition, -though :ilitt.rort of it may have reehed,Westkoin ,, ter Flail, tho' it may reached the ears 61 Olt!. zirid tlenien, onacetistotried as t'ney wet!. to yet it ifiay have'llieri'matttrof in:trct keep. it as.secret as, - ;) , „iptlakt, was cO u tkie ciieumitances of the tither ser-'. vice he had alluded . id iduld'easr.for tt l ., log• be made public ; And . PO . the , 'ciburoit re. e ttt,y be . of,' Opininti-,that ovohl - bc.. appeared to sheW, that the'Strinexpediti'n) ski.), known to the First barn .of. tire A!Afniialik, that it met his aplitobaiton, and it al ws. S?a . v.i.ce. peritifily Naval in its nature. tie had griaritaris. faction mu agrcetng to a . cnintrit . tee', , to . itiqoir,e into ~the• general matter of the:Report.. When that tier4V; 4eport•shotild lie brought up, as lie believed tt , fnay.: he!iti`a very fciv dkiys, Fie Wonld .rnovifor pointm.ent of a Secret Cappittec, .cansfs.tiog of five Mernbets„ to irluire into theAectelli;:itter. ,On' ther.e groo k idi, lie s huifri 1 . 110Vta:;6 that a Committee:be •aptioitited:tbinhuire into .the„ : . 'loliter of the Eieverob e:xeeitt so•far .is relates to,the issued for Secret N.1,1!al Ser. vices.'' Mr.-FOX slioalii not feel itriecestar7i , to Occupy the time of thel-liaise many minutes, asl;c did mean to obj‘ - tt to 3hr - division of the C. l muit!ee, As the Right. Hon. Gentletnan, however, kid . thotigh proper to enter ivito . ,l diseussioo of stone of the. to. 'plcs:adveried..to.,by. his Letsineti Friend, he tru,ted he. a lioulti.be iodolgettin making a few olAervat ion;. Ilonourable Get.tleinan seemed to think that part of his Learned, Friefat's :ligament untie. cessary which stated, that a King -of. this Court. try .and , his Ministers should governaccopling tta Law, Li this case he.dt c ffered fitlnt the Right Hon. Gcntteman, becau,e there Was no truth tli,lt'shonld b e m ore strongly impressed on the •nuods :sters, than that the House had a right to ytfrcise .it s Coristitttional, C , „mtrirti) ovr . r 'l4 P9blic I.4.,xpen diture. The , more they 'should . ligAte, the more they wo uld dischiser that die f:aw of the . Liiiiti had bee'n SaCtill,?o, tit Vili ' VOtliellet!. ,1111$ ;areittllCC had 'inereaneti very considerably lately ; it ty)t sea. , so n i ,biy . checked, miliht lead to c such as Lis Honourable Friend had stated... -11tii,they could not be carried to the - .extrcure, 83 itt till time becaust the. sitting of oould be, necessary in the end, in order to provide the means of paying the in'one - y . Enna raised. fie was sure the Right Fron.:Gettileittary ‘volfid not disallow, that'the- etisenti4l . , duty of that Roust was., to take care that no l'vioney s.ll..And be ralied but in manner.approved by Parliament . , tliq hut to ritiioSC3 for svhicli it tilibithl - be dire.ted by • mint. 'The I louse had not given•any ar , robation • lifThe.rriermerfin which Money . had been ir.,ised, by ,these. - Bills.. The Right Ilonourattle Gentlema'n 'had advetled • to • the . inanflei in which Navy Bills were formerly isstied, which rnaice litl)owt•td t( 1 )' the had, anti bad stated,that the -pteentm,hle had , been ath•pled with a .view to econ•imy, ,and as not b e ing inem,tsistent'with the. Constitution. 'He' had himself supported - - the Right Hollow-able:Gentle mania: because - he believed iiie . l rtner unconstitutional, and inconsistent With economy kn .the Public E.xpenditure. That, t 0, ,, had linlression, he believed, tit the 'Right ,Likniniteabler• . Cr ntleman !liaised when he: iirt,teatne.intia Merit, and took so toe rifut 41 131 1. in the C0..1111114- tee on the Extriordinartes' of the Artn'Y", lie :trt~it the Committee of which the late tord'gstiiCrboTJ bad been Chaiitiim. , lCiVas,ilistlittotui)tl4l rictus' to, autlinconsistent-.,witb, tlie, C`orrsr i'l3; The Right Hon. Gentleman had sublripve4.,l3 l ll i xi months, anti afterwardi ninety day Thls: 'altered the Law, and'-theseftsre,- in a Conrititutional. view, he could not- clerti it coma' to .tiincvy the, manner that had been praniskd bt.l)ie 'that . alter'a: 'duo. Theie were rminy things That ieci , itred trier and 'partietalitly Atte rivtoner to which this.m.3ney had been finallyt ,should; alto he itirlitired ic.tcr, whether these Na.vy tu*ishi have been continnedeonsistetitly tyith.l.4 , a.-.., It sol.:lt a mode were once ,to be. admitted, it amount, to 'an-i*iCtie Of Isgsvi . , Bills without tne itanetion of Parliainenr. Fir had' himself: no it tt)tt the., pradice was Contrary to I.Aw ; bu! Ise ;.honitl not; then iSC any final iii)inion. It was il;iF7rent L`l,se: fhe'F...!<trirti k liforin of Cog , Astily .to,a`ccumulate, fron't chi." ~.,.ritrei , e 4 .A;,`,4 , l*,,u , 10,6; ipeeteritleslli isSuett, tai.c %vas an irregtiliaritY V. hick' reel tired inver;!igari , ln. other p , );t : lt, that it wan not th. 4 nn.::littee the. cliff4rc recd ketv,eer , i7-hry.nine and niti;:ty d i yq tri....4;uct‘t , , he a#t.,.e the Kight lionouraple ': I 'no; thtiik that the cir. • cinnstan:ze havit.:4 the'ti-itfee of the Me;srs. •.wliont he hat! not the hci. (tour t i',Ot 'witose - c4rittuet` fie . had is hi g h was.. any . - argttment in justiftcation of its being' 0ver11,4:4,1 .by ahe Navy I3oard, be. .cittise, undoubtedly., .t( theseGertileimii halt been 'informed that Cro.;s,, had a right . to'!the ditcerence, they WOuld It i've it. As to the . _Secret Service '4\l:)'ne.y,. the R.i.;!it - .Honour al)!.e G,.ntletpari h a d p ut it yn' g o,:,lfoatirtg, by propuSfrig' to refer the cnnsinleration of that part of the Rtptitt'' to a 'Secret Caironit t.c. the Secret Set vibes 'in general, he thought it, extremely, de_sirable, that _the sum expended should be accounted for on 'oath, in the'same manner as IVloney.applied to such services from the;,...:ivil,Liit.Under the provisions.of.. Butlte's • 1.3i1.1. As , the Executive G)v.ernmen t . was the channel through. which all the sums. voted ‘,fOr the Public Service were to pass, it was extremely desirable, - that such sums should be accounted for to the kiouse. .Put on. this sul)ject,hc atty mote af,er further inquiry. It appeared to ,liiitt . from the Rt;rort, that the Order of the Council' had pot been c3nylleil with in• the eXpeedlture of . I:tbis. N Oral SeCP:t 'Service 'Morley, nor . the aut.ho. (I? Of the.l..,)rds nt. the Adnti.t . ,itjty,il4 . ,tcrulcii to. A , tt) !Olt 711tilt!,Expetiipin, he was ready to admit chit the 1,,..tr.t of the Achniralty, it .he prtived ought trot to give it ;a: kind of tacit .11;1t. thep 4:4 c..)nient khnuld have besP. btai , ,cd ;put under his 11:11%1,attec consult. ing; it, and not by ctittuitinicating it itn. tile.Ritelyr'and Vrdl.,tet'ally when . determined- 0n...—.: Tice Fits . ; I.,,eird of the Adtpiisalay slintitt have *ig. nificd . his ,•:()1 1 -tecia, by his iignitttart, .and then have Oren r“O fir ti e - that trc I ;(I,ity to pl.tce on thii and otlt?r lo char it might, be, disco. • v-f.,r1:1 t's b.;:en ctarni,lied w'liil, to alt, it rhey had saCtfi:.:ed to convenitqici...., an I,n what respr.,.t it Wo:ilti ne.; 1:e11114.' for I"Arli,,ii;nl ro iiitatfcrc to prevent. any t(:11 80-9(0C , 1t; „tinless,wkre cir. cittn.tances shoulA c 3 . 1 .1 fo'r „it: ilid.,not prc.,ume ,to (kny . ,ihAt ey.cep(ii,m; 111 ir;s. ,. c6ficiz word& lie•neceisary, tiat,as thi , power 4 . 40,g . ; spell sact i gtae was Lialgl to rilltqlr a hit w.:s the mmebotvil to take, care .t!rit ,it should cxercise,L, ; Sir ,11VD:e if .010ND' ,tiacr te't-ta . 1 1 n 1 1:5 that the the Table voi,itild . 111 Vt satis. t h e su l„ii.,c..r,;,it the ,ttans.i.l on which had been l ii!'nfled in. 'nil',".' sun why • he.had not. had the tnen First-Lord of the A , ltni. rilty' cur;yit to ~,;nbsist between the reins I sett, t .1-11),Vtitt Comptroller" of the 'Navy. ;;ill Sr - Vitit.;ent, had resided mostly.in the count :y. hid consented to superintend . the de ire of the Secretary of w . l to Lord! St."Vineent.on the . (t; :4(11.1 .1 all answer , c9rtveying ,his ap,,at - d)a,tion of ,the proj:4t, the Nic . , H,•ll were c!ailyto ; :is i t e he wrote bitriself to Lord 'this he 'diet nut- think t h ere • w I Witg-tlaar. jaistify any . 5.) far fr. , nr,.liaving ,wished .to make todependent of ;the Admiralty, he k i d e v e r en 'rake the irr.trtralotis of the Firit'Lord of the.Admicilt) . % Aa t.vtlie, charge of ~ h aving' paid k , ;it cad. rifA9, the time had been calculated horn rl,, thy of the issue to the day of pi.aymer . o:, both d., t•' in lllilve i 'cOnfOlcitably, to what rook p'11ic , , , .! in the c.on;notlesVorCtiti . ences in. life. - A piitoon 'l,,ken into employment on one .t.l4y, and discharg:d at the end .of a month, ~ahnuld be. paid for hi s ti t o,!, indthii*Dg both the day of - being'engaged and the day of runner- i u. itig;thc...N.avpilills had .heen the, same as, was. always pursutd, :and it was really inclinpreknsiiile Whitt matt tfse Cwninii tee „l'?,..Tort on this point. • Whets new-, mot.'w Navy Bills, ,httd been 17,6... N Ivy lullsw e re at a diseotiot.of . `per :o.tnt. :and on 'the expenditure of seven mil. li'ous , in t 79 7 ., there :had been a saving of above 'I 2..,111 . i0,i0n : to :the' t he , Expzmiliture int.:l - t.mscd, the benefit had been. Zireater.' When the issue' of . NIVy bah hail been rni • .dt .tlte , 2'4:th ut 0:10ber, tsoo, .there was but 90e>,'oapl, in tht, 'lreaB.ory ; and ; he paked in what minnet,the plotter cotild ; be so, well procured ? lie 'boy reStihiony to the contluet of the delayed theriSntris wanted si d igLe Agy hour.. If the House.4crtew ,ut what ,was to, Povertinaent, ,they. w ou ld ,view hits ttiititaion in the" lfght,,he did.— h4pp,tr to siate,' • that the 14;,% , y - lirils were in itt4thuth.crettit even; ,ttrad.it they should not con. tino:. so, was ; sil a the Novy,Setyice,woultl, , be reduced t.) the ! !liala:trras.st-nent 4 with Which it had been the former piiidice. .Th, cc 14 then 04', and the Ckit.lloEL. • • , - r. it al tne.l4.,xcti P 1215 lilt latnitncllrienti were agreed to. , • .• , eqtrilniti-re vi,l3„thqn 01:41 - ed to contios of 21 (c) Chottti B4llot to-avrruw. (t!jj tC'as Te 3 ,3 3 third time avd ~~r ,~~~ , . H 0... • 6n the Pi}st ii (~ • t , .)„ L)I.IC . r : t..ll'it , r, 3i,t ii Bilt for ihatrimri;ogt...: tithrtr, Or, , ! , zrs of - the Day Wore then tlivot,ed 7't* , T '„e Ci c 4 ikliTtitZS 4s ' , netted ,s, 7 .rf A. B 111.., ?.) Fil; ess intineet,f .r4't v ): t he it 9i quo.. leo