The Sun. — London, England, 1852-04-27 00:00:00

LAW INTELLIGENCE. VICE-CHANCELLOR'S COURT, April 26. (Before Vice-Chancellor PARKER') LUMLEY v. WAGNER.. Shortly before the usual time for the rising of the Court, Mr. BETHELL, addressing his Honour, said that he was instructed on the part of the defendants in this case, to move to dissolve the injuction granted on Friday, bat at this late hour of the day it would probably be more convenient if it were fixed to come on the first thing to-morrow. Mr. BACON said that the first thing would be incon venient for him, as he had to attend to several bankrupt -ens which were fixed for the first thing tomorrow, • v the Lords Justices. His HoNouz said that in a case of this nature the de fendants certainly were entitled to have their motion heard at the very earliest moment possible, and he would therefore take the case the first thing tomorrow. Mr. BACON a lid that he hoped that he should be fur nished with a copy of the of on the other aide, before to-morrow morning. His client had been watch ing all day, and during the whole of Saturday, with great vigilance, but up to very lately, he had not been able to hear of any affidavits being filed. Mr. BETBELL said that his Learned Friend should have copies of all the affidavits to-niait The case wa3 then ordered to stand at the head of the paper for to-morrow morning. FRANCE. THE PRINCE PRESIDENT'S VISIT TO THE SOLOGNE, The President of the Republic left Orleans very early on Thursday morning by the railroad for the inquire into and stopped at different places to into the wants of the localities sad the means of im provement. At each place he made donat ions; at Clermont (Cher) he gave 100?. for the poor and 100 f. for the church ; at Brinon, 200 f. fur the poor and 1,200 f. for the church, 100 f. to an old soldier of the Empire, 200 f. to another still older, and to a third 100 f.; to a cure met on the way 4.00 f. for the poor ; to a young girl who present ed him with a bouquet 200 f., to he distributed among the poor of her com mune, and to another 100 f. He . afterwards pro ceeded to the chateau of La sFerte-Beauharnais, where the father of Prince Eugene and the Queen Hortense bad witbdraw n during the reign of terror. As the owners of this property, who resided at Orleans, had been informed of the intended visit, the whole village, having heard the news, was on the alert. Every part of it was adorned with green foliage and flowers. The gendarmery, the municipal council, and the authorities, were all in waiting to do the honours of the park and chateau. The Prince went through the park, accompanied by the authori ties, and on his return to the chateau decorated the mayor of the village and b r i ga di er o f g e n darmery. The Prince left I,ooof. to the poor, and gave besides 200 f. to an old groom of Prince Eugene. He after wards passed in review the gendarmery, and ex pressed great satisfaction at their appearance. The Prince then passed through Chaumont-sur-Taronne, where he left money for the poor, and arrived at La Forte St. Aubin at the close of the day. A repast was prepared here for the President, who asked all who accompanied him to partake of the refreshments which were provided. He left by special train at a quarter to 8, in the midst of a crowd of spectators, and arrived in Paris at 12 o'clock. The following particulars relative to the e Sologne, which the President of the Republic has just visited, may not be devoid of interest. The Sologne occupies an extent of 1,250,000 acres in the departments of the Cher, the Loir-et-Cher, and the Loiret. The de plorable condition of agriculture in that exte ns i ve district dates from the repeal of the E dict of Nantes. The Protestants, then numerous in the Sologne, were compelled to fly, and the land being abandoned has become every day since more arid and insalubrious. The general appearance of the country is miserable. The inhabitants, like the cattle, present an appearance of decay which is painful to behold, and the population is reduced to one-fourth that of any district of equal extent in France. Of the conscripts 22 per cent. are annually rejected for under size, and 25 per cent. for physical infirmity. The fourth of the surface is covered with briars, and the swamps extend over 43,000 acres. Some few proprietors have planted Scotch fir, which has succeedad admirably; but Louis Na poleon considered that the isolated efforts of a few proprietors could produce no good result, and having paid much attention to the subject he deter mined to visit the spot. The Sologne is watered by three rivers, the Sauldre, the Beuvron, and the Colson, which traverse it from east to west. Tbe course of those rivers having been totally neglected produces in some places unhealthy swamps, and in others the soil has become completely arid. To remedy this Louis Napoleon proposes to cut two canals, one of which shall intersect the Sologne in its fullest extent, and the other connect the river Loire with the Cher. This canal would, moreover, place the city of Lyons in communication with the Loire, and supply Or leans with water from the Cher when the Loire is not navigable. It is expected that a number of minor canals will be constructed by private corn paniee, which will serve to drain the unhealthy marshes, and he a means of transport to agricultural produce. The Government undertakes the execu tion of the twe great canals. They will entail a considerable expense on the Treasury ; but as the expenditure wilt be spre d over a long space of time the weight will he less felt. The pl an, after having been long and maturely considered , has been submitted to M. Lefebvre-Durefk, the Minister of Public Works, under whose direction the works are to be executed. PRESERVATION of the CRYSTAL PALACE. REPLY OF THE SUB-COMMITTEE TO THE REPORT OF THE TREASURY COMMISSION. The following reasons are submitted to the considera tion of Parliament and the public, es proving that the report of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the cost and applicability of the Crystal Palace ought not to be acted on. I. It is submitted that in that report the uses to which the building could be put, and the question of expense involved in its preservation and adaptation to these uses, are all treated from the dLaevantageons and isolated point of view that the whole is to be it Govern ment undertaking—worked cut by Government machi nery, and paid for by the public money. 11. It is contended that a properly-constituted Com mission would have bad power given to it to examine evidence and report whether the Crystal Palace might not ha maintained for the recreation and instruction of the people by other and less objectionable means then a Parliamentary grant. lII.It is s u b m i tted, that the House of Commons hav i ng by a distinct vote suspended the provision of the contract for an immediate removal of the building, the regular and legitimate mode of follo wing up that vote is by a Committee of I nqu i ry, appointed by the House, in which the int erest of represersted. ex-rarte in .public would be fairly Ent at while bonne by u a pletsquiry, instituted by Govern preeided over by the head e ' s t e t t e o lj t e a3uve the betiding— palritment of Works, who would naturally eonsalt his offi cial convenience and that of the Government in the tuat;er—ta not such an investigation of the subject as either Parliament or the public can consider satisfactory. IV. e Taking the report as i t s t ands, and waiving all objections founded on the sourc e f rom whence th C g °in missicn issued, ou the limited character of i - wars and on other grounds affsoting the knowiia pull i previous opiniene of the Commissioners —into whi ch we de bet 'visa to enter—it is as serte d that th at report cannot he supported ou the evidence giv ej en ec b te e d in al •e s the Commission, and ought, therefore, to be r falhaelens. For this assertion the following reasons ar e given : (a.) Only se Ten witnesies wore examined —th e COD traoter, Sir Charles Fox; the designer, Sir Joseph Pax ton • two members of the Executive Committee, Mr. Cole and i Mr. Dilke; the Duke of Sutherland's gardener as Kelk, the owner et h ouse Trentham, Mr. Fleming; property opposite; and Mr. Hawkins, head of the Anti quern's Department of the British Museum. Of this list,. Sir Charles Fox, Sir Joseph Paxton, Mr. Cole, Mr. Mike, and Mr. Fleming gave evidence strongly in favour of retaining the building ; Mr. Kelk made a statement amounting at most to a private claim for compensation, which, however, wee utterly denied by Mr. Cole ; and Mr. Hawkins was examined as to the applicability of the building for portions of the British Museum Collection, which no one ever thought of removing there. It is con& denely asserted that the whole weight of the evidence than generalised is not against, but for the preservation of thie Crystal Palace. (de) The question of coat is that upon which the Com mis *ion rests this rejection of evidence, and the chief con sideration in that question is thus stated:— " Even after making those extensive alterations in the prottent building, Sir Joseph Paxton has admitted that it w ill not be, in all respects, the best adapted for its pur poses; and that for the sum of 150,000., he could put up a much finer, a more magnificent, and more ap propriate structure than the Exhibition building. We are not prepared to say that the sum of 150,000/. woutld cover the cost of adapting the build ing to the purposes of a garden—we should thin& it more prudent to assume 200,0001. as the expenditure which would be necessary for these works. vet*, ' ring the large annual expenditure (20,C00/.) wtienintitzli_ll_ be required for the maintenance of the gar cons men made, it appears to us to be inexpedient to imp Wow. work upea a plan admitted to be To this suttees denites pr i i t l y Pt i !t is objected, that Sir Joseph Paxton his mouth. 117, t h e accuracy of the evidence put into deny th at from that e4cjetse: Conse q uence the inference for lthe building He and all the advocates ashy deduced front the es these inferences can be logi as they are; and, finall y , S eta isees even incorrectly stated i the rave charge ag a i nst LJosetsh Pn brings having withheld frem him al-M ?":11 of Works witae:se o s f Iniednqpfloiortunityief revising examined by this o C u o g m h m il ia:io a n pp , his evidence, twice in person, and once again throughantost urgently tikrug eo a nfi e tenmr- (e.) It - is submitted. that Silt:4U s steee fr iend• structure and one better adapted for platdd than, this, Crystal Palace could ttlee un Put 4 40 1 0 004 4;10 Rio ;ow% wla tao ro m i tili .2 for 114 THE SUN, be retained; and -that, on the same argument, every public work in tho country, aad even in the world, ought immediately to be pulled down. It is also submitted, that an annual expenditure and a per manent outlay, which may seem large and unjustifiable when drawn from the public purse, may present no difficulty when provided for, on " the self supporting principle," which furnished forth the splen dours of the Great Exhibition, and was the acknowledged foundation of its popularity and success. Finally, upon this head it is submitted as a fact which appears to have escaped the memory of the Commission in the financial part of their inquiry, that within six months of hat year 400,000 L was taken chiefly in shillings at the doors of the Crystal Palace. (d.) The report contains no direct and open expression of opinion that the building should be removed, and only covertly points at that conclusion in passages of which the two following may be taken as the strongest examples:— `• We believe that the remembrance of the late Ex hibition would be unfavourable to a new appropriation of the Building, as it would be impossible to reproduce the brilliant effect obtained from the rich collections which were temporarily placed there. 'the sculptures of Egyp , , of Syria, and Nineveh, might, it has been said, be advantageously seen under a roof which, from its lightness and transparency, re sembles the open air. The contrast of light and shade i s , however, deemed advantageous to sculpture, and the colossal character of these antiquities may be, by other persons. thought to accord best with massive archi tecture." _ _ _ Attention is particularly drawn to these distinct traces of a foregone conclusion on the part of the Commission; for there was no evidence whatever before them to justify Gnoh assertions. An effect as b?illiaut, and even more so, than that of the Great Exhibition, cannot be declared impossible, or even improbable; nor is there the least foundation for the statement that the remembrance of that event would be unfavourable to a new appropriation of the building. Why should it be so if, as is proposed, the building is placed under the highest guarantees that birth and position in the country afford, for the uses to be made of it? Again, as to the applicability of the Palace for the reception and display of those monuments of art now mouldering in dark cellars, what justification can the Commission plead for the manner in which they have dealt with this suggestion ? (e.) Looking carefully through the evidence, it is impossible to avoid being struck with the style of inter rogation which the chairman of the Commission adopted, and the complete neglect of, and even hostility to, the public interests involved in the inquiry, which the shape of the questions asked betrays. Mr. Cole's evi dence, especially, is a remarkable example of this, and reminds one more of a cross-examination in a court of law than of a courteous elucidation of opinion from a Government servant in every way qualified to give the best and most impartial testimony ou the subject. V. It would not be difficult to state many additional reasons why this report should be condemned by the voice of public opinion and ignored by Parliament; but the object of this paper is to place in as concise a form as possible the main grounds for doing so. couttT cittuuLAß. Her Majesty and his Royal Highness Prince Albert, accompanied by his Royal Highness the Prince of Wales, their Royal Highnesses the Princess Royal, Prince Al fred, the Princess Alice. and the Princess Helena, and attended by the Hon. Eleanor Stanley, Lord Colville, and Lieutenant-Colonel F. H. Seymour, went at half past nine o'clock yesterday naming, to the Gallery of Illustration in Regent-street, and inspected the moving diorama illustrating the campaigns of his Grace the Duke of Wellington. Her Majesty, Prince Albert, and the Royal pry returned to the Palace at I 1 o'clock. His Royal Highness Prince Albert rode out on horse back yesterday morning, attended by Lieutenant-Col. F. H. Seymour. The glean and Prince Albert, attended by the Coun tess of Desert, Lord Colville, and Lieutenant-Colonel F. H. Seymour, went at three o'clock yesterday afternoon to Claremont, to pay a visit to the Countess de Neuilly and the French Royal Family, travelling from the Nine Elms to the Ether station of the London and South- Western Rei!way, and returning to town by the same. Her Majesty and his Royal Highness Prince Albert, with the Prince of Wales, the Princess Royal, Prince Alfred, and the Princess Alice, attended by the Countess of Desert, Earl Talbot, Lord Colville, and Lieutenant- Colonel F. H. Saymour, honoured the Princess's Theatre with their presence last evening. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, attended by Baroness de Speth, went to Claremont yesterday, to pay a visit of congratulation to the Countess de Neutlly, on the return of her natal day. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, attended by Lady Fanny H ow ard, honoured the performance of the French Yleys with her presence last evening. A deputation from Burnham , consisting of Mr. Allen and Mr. Pooles (introduced by Mr. W. Miles, M.P.) had an interview with Lord John_Msnners, est the Office of Public Works and Buildings, Whitehall-place, yesterday, in reference to the Provisional Order of the General Board of Health, applying the Public Health Act to Burnham. A deputation from the borough of Finsbury on the subject of the proposed perk for the northern district of London, had an interview with the Earl of Derby yes terday, at his official residence, in Downing -street. The deputation consisted of Lord Robert Grosvenor, M.P., Mr. T. S. Dancembe, M.P., Mr. Wakley, M.P., Mr. T. H. B.)ykett (the Returning Ofaler), Mr. William Ty ler, Mr. R. Taylor, F.R.S., Mr. Phillips, Mr. Keane, Mr. Tezplee, Mr. Barnett, Mr. E. Wilson. Mr. J. R. Lloyd, Mr. H. Wilson, and Mr. James Lloyd ([ion. Secretary), The Bishop of Cape Town had an interview with Sir John Pakingion yesterday, at the Colonial-office. Mr. Whitmore Jones had also an interview wish the Right Hon. Baronet. Mr. Spooner, M.P., and Mr. R. H. Wyatt, had an in terview with Mr. Secretary Walpole, at the Home-office, yesterday. A deputation consisting of Mr. Cayley, Mr. Lowe, and Mr. Whitley, bad an interview with the Right Hon. J. W. Henley yesterday, at the Board of Trade. Mr. Ales. F. Ridgway, Agent to the Royal Agricul tural and Commercial Society, British Guiana, had an interview with Sir John Pakington yesterday at the Co lonial-office. The Marquis of Salisbury had an interview with Mr. Secretary Walpole yesterday, at the Home-office. Vis count Hardinge had also an interview with the Right Hon. Gentleman. Dispatches were received at the Colonial-office yes. terday from the Governors of the West India Islands, and from the Governor of New Zaaland. Dispatches were sent yesterday to the Governor of Gibraltar. A deputation, consisting of Lord Edward Howard, Mr. :garter, chairman of late Commissioners' meeting, Mr. Bennett, Commissioner, and large owner and rate payer, Mr. Denarlt, Commissioner and owner and rate payer, and Mr. Hcrdingham, owner and ratepayer, had an interview with Lord John Manners yesterday in the office of Public Works and Boildipga. - Tee Rev. C. B. Dalton (Lambeth Rectory). and the Rev. J. S. Jenkinson (the Vicarage, Batteasea), had yesterday an interview with Lord John Manners, at his office in Whitehall-place. A POWERFUL MICROSCOPE. A Gorman named Hasert, residing in Cincinnati , has mauntactured a microscope which has a magnifying power of 600. The Cincinnati Times, speaking of its extraordinary powers,-says that the dust which, by con tact with the wings of a butterfly, adheres to the finger, was shown to be a number of feathers; on these little feathers are observed longitudinal and transverse lines, but this has bean, so far, the utmost that has been seen. This new micrsseope, however, shows that between each pair of longitudinal lines there era five or six rows of scares, like those of a fish, and appear to hay the same form in all the feathers, differing only in size. A dust particle, taken from the back of the body of a sphinx, which is the largest of these feathers shown, measuring one fifteenth of . an inch in length, and one two-hundredth of an inch in breadth, had 104 longitudinal lines. Between each pair of lines six rows of scales were visible, making the number of these little scales, laterally, 624; the number of scales longitudinally, downwards, would be 2,228; therefore, the entire number of these scalos on - this little -feather amount to one million four hundred thousand, which gives the number of fourteen thousand millions .to one square inch. On a very minute particle of dust from the wing of a jimes, measuring only one five-hundredth of an inch i n length, and one-thousandth of an inch in width, the number of scales is found to be 84,000, which gives the enormous sum of 42,000,000,000 to one square inch. We observed, also, large sizes of the oat and common house flea, the eye of a fly, and the wing of a small bug, the latter presenting the most brilliant co lours and beautiful shawl pattern we ever beheld, with a magnificent border, elaborately ornamented. caslon of the TENturd, BATT] cult THE BERKELEY BUNT. of the the pi "gh Hotel, RDA.l.—A,„diuner. took place at Cheltenham, last evening, on the oc. Bpresentationee to Earl Fitzhardinge, by mem bersof the subscri bers' ie. iece of plate, subscribed for in diorict, of a ac l i t en i t z d lltint and other sportsmen of this Lord's generosity testimony appreciation of the Noble and noble stud for nantaining a pack of foz• hounds ham country. The hun t ing ohair the Berkeley and Chef ten ford, of Woller's Hal _ , z was taken by Mr. C. E. Han right, and Sir Charlles a h lr e Fitzhardinge sitting on his the members of the Berrtall on his left. Most of sent. The Duke of Beauforte e Hunt were pre. excusing himself on sooon sent an apology, his health. After the u sua l •of the st ate of had been given, the chairman, in i i:troductory toasts scribers, presented the testimonial tneEn ar a i m y e of the sub- It is a massive piece of silver plate, intende d to repre sent an incident in the history of the Berkeley to Earl Fitzhardinge, having acknowledged the te' family ' enteri:d into acme remarks on the duties of stillionial, of foxhounds , and traced his own ardent love of maste r f aster chase to his peru.3al, when a boy, of s -. ,° the omervide s poem of The Came, from which he quoted large! He be came niiiiter of hounds at 2 age. 1 years of Y- He bud a liberal allowance, but not enough to keep two whippers in, and therefore he became first whipper-in hi mself.' But he had great difficulties to encounter. The first of these was want of experience, so that in giving his health atter dinner his friends used to name it as •‘ The pack and the puppy." Then his was not a regular pack of hounds. He was obliged to take what he could get— the refuse of other kennels—those whosecapital sentence had been commuted to transportation, so teat he looked upon his kennel as a sort-of penal settlement to which the reprobates of all other packs guilty of serious offences had been drafted. He had mute hounds, and babblers, and shirkers, and hounds so slack that they would_not hunt onyttling, and other hounds so wild that ,they would hunt everything. He was, however, not to be daunted, or his fire essay might have pat him clowil, 46 Lordallip thtl4 gave - tut amuslng account of his - EKss . 4 111 lean SI 4)IOWoRt Woods, cis gig .;441i gi OPt LONDON, 1808, when his hounds, instead of fox hunting, gave chase to a cur, and afterwards worried a flock of sheep, and after that another cur. But, though so untrained, there was good stuff in them, and they were the an cestors of his present pack, which wore acknwledged to be good hounds. The past season was admitted to be one of the worst ever known, but his hounds had been out 108 days, and had killed 112 foxes. But his Lord ship added, the formation of a pack of foxhounds was not solely confined to the sports of the field; there were a great many friendships formed and cemented in the hunting field, and charmingly interwoven with the other relations of life. After some further remarks his Lord ship resumed his seat, and other toasts followed, the party sitting late. SEABORNE MAILS. Dir signifies that the mails are sent front the deneral Post-offfee by the night—and Si by the morning—dispatch.] When made up is Frem what whoa PLACES. leneralPost-oelce I port dis due. London: l patched. America (by Brit. pkt.)N April SO Liverpool April 26 &merles. (by U.S. pkt.) N i M4y 4 .. .. I Liverpool • • April 24 America (by U.S. pkt.) 51 April 21 Mouthampt. May 7 Africa (West coast).. N 14th or the month Plynsoath May 3 Alexandria* • ....... N 19th & 30th of me. Dover .. April 28 Belgian • . N Daily .. !Dover Brazil.. . .. M 9th of the month Southampt. May 16 Buenos Ayres •• 9th of the month :Southampt. May 16 California(viaChagree)M ld St 17th of montb Southampt. May S Cape of Good Elope N 14th at month IPlymouth•• May 3 Constantinople* .... Ith 1 7th 27th of mo i Dover .. April 30 Central America .. M !2d & 17th of men. 18outhampt. May S Channel tales N Mon., Wed., & Fri. 84 4 uthamPt. Ta. Th.Elat Chili . 51 17th of the month Southampt. May 5 Trance M& N Twice daily Dover •• Twiertdally Greene* 1717th 17th27th of mo Dover April 30 Elamburgh Ni Tuesday & Friday London .. Toes. Sat. Wednes. & Sattir. London .. Elonduras . 57117th of the month Southampt. Arrived Ireland! .. M& N Twice daily.. liolyhead •. Twicevlalll India(via Southamp.) htlOth of the month,Southrusapt. May 20 India (via Marseilles) N eth&24th efmonth Dover .. May 1 Mediterranean (via Southarrnfon) 5140th of the month Southampt. May 20 Kediterianean (via Marseilles) N Stitt 24th ofmonth Dover .. May 1 Mexico M 2d of the month.. iSouthampt. May 2 Madeira • • M 9th of the month Southampt. May 16 Malta* 7th,17th,19th,27th _ & 30th of month Dover April 1 Naples* .. N sth 15th 25th ofme Dover .• May 2 Papal States* .. N sth 15th 25th of mo Dover .. May 2 Peninsular.. •• .. 7t111.7th 27th et mo,Southatnet. May 6 • Porn 111'17th of the month 'Soathampt, Stay 5 Tuscany* N sth 15th 25th ofmoDever .. !May 2 West Indies 17th of the mouth ISouthampt. !May 20 Tus - cany* N sth 15th 35th of mo' West Indies M,l7th of the mouth West Indies (except Savanna & Sasses) M 2d of the month .., • The mails to those a ountrl as thus mar] French packet via Marseilles !Sonthazapt.iMay 5 ked (*) are conveyed b IMPERIAL PARLIANIENT. HOUSE OF LORDS. April 26. Lord REDESDALE presided in the absence of the Lord Chancellor. MASTERS IN CHANCERY. Lord CAMPBELL, in explanation .of what had fallen from him the other evening, which he was sorry to find had been misunderstood by the Masters in Chancery, disclaimed any intention of having spoken slightingly of the persons in question, his observation had been meant merely to apply to the office, and not to those who held it. THE MILITIA BILL. Lord PORTMAN presented a petition from Kings bridge against calling out the militia, in the prayer of which hi• Lordship said that he fully concurred. Sr. ALBANS DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL. On the motion for going into Committee, Lord REDESDALE, in compliance with the resolu tion of the House passed on Friday night, directed coun sel to be called to the bar. Lord VERUL A.AI said that since the passing of this resolution he bad communicated with the Mayor of St. Albans, and had been informed by that officer that the inhabitants of St. Albans had thought it unnecessary to take up the time of their Lordships by appearing by counsel Against the Bill. The Bill then passed through Committee. The Earl of HARR,OWBY, in the absence of the Earl of Shaftesbury, postponed the motion standing in his name on the sanitary condition of the metropolis. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, April 26. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four u'olock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The following Billa were read a third time and passed:— Forth and Clyde Navigation. London and Southampton Road through Bishop'a Waltham. Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway (No. 1). Shr-ffield Bridges and Streets. York and North Midland, and East and West Yorkshire Junction RAil ways. The Bury (Sussex) Road Bill and the Deptford Gas Bill, as amended, were considerfd and agreed to. The Manchester and Salford Edo° pion Bell was read a second time on the xnoti..n of Mr. RHO raER fON. PETITIONS. Mr. MITCHELL presented a petition from Bridport against the eiilitia Bill. Mr. GEORGE DUNCAN presented a petition from a place in Scotland against the Maynooth grant. Mr. C. BRUCE presented a petition from a place in Scotland against the abolition of university tests. Mr. BAILLIE presented a petition from Inverness against the Meynooth grant. Mr. BIM - MERTON presented seven petitions from various pieces in the kingdom against the Militia Bill. Alderman THOMPSON presented a petition from Westmoreland aCsinst the grant to Maynooth. Sir G. STRICKLAND presented a petition from Preitan against the Militia Bill. Mr. COWAN presented several petitions from Edin burgh and otter places in Scotland against any endow ment to May nooth; also petitions from Edinburgh and other places in Scotland against Sunday labJur iu the Post-office. Mr. W. J. FOX presented a petition from Oldham against the Militia Btil. _ . _ A.NEY presented several petitions in favour of the I , galizeion of industrial partnerships. Mr. COBDEN presented petitions from Hilirax and other places in Yorkshire against the Militia Bill. Mr. J. ELLIS presented a petition from LAcester to the same effect. Mr. KE0k;11 presented a petition from Halifax against the Charitable Trusts all. Sir DE L A.CY EVANS presented a petition from the metropolis in favour of retaining the Crystal Palace. Mr. HASTIE presented petitions from Scotland against the Pndow rn en t to M4ynooth and the Militia Bill. Lord SEYMOUR, presented a petition from Totnes to the same effect. Mr. G. THOMPSON presented a similar petition from Chelsea and Brumptoa. Sir R. H. INGLIS presented a petition from the Church of England Lay Association, praying that no minister be appointed to a church in %Vales who is unao quain:ed with the Welsh language. Sir G. PECHELL presented a petition from Brighton, praying that original jurisdiction be given to County Courts in cases of equity. Mr. HILI_iYARD presented a petition from White haven against the Militia Bill. Mr. HENLEY presented a petition from Oxfordshire in favour of the establishment of county financial boards. Mr. MANGLES presented a petition from Guildford against the Militia Bill, and that thanks be given to Mr. Cobden and other Hon. Members who had distin guished themselves in opposing the meciure. The SPEAKER—I have to inform the Hon. Member that the petition cannot be received.—(Laughter.) The petition was consequently wi hdrawn. Mr. MONSELL presented several petitions from Ire land against the Cearitable Trusts Bill. Mr. G. HUDSON presented a petition from Sunder land against the Militia Bill. Mr. BRIG HT presented a considerable number of petitions from various parts of the country against the Militia Bill. Sir B. HALL presented similar petitions from Mary. labone and lannonntb. Mr. M. GIBSON presented s similar petition from Worsley. MILITIA BILL. Mr. M. GIBSON asked the Secretary for the Home Department if he would have any objection to print and circulate copies of the 42d Geo. 111,, and the other Acts amending the same, which were incorporated or re ferred to in the measure now before the House, in order that Members and the public might know the nature of that measure. Mr. WALPOLE said the Hon. Member was per fectly at liberty to make a motion on the stibjAct if he pleased. The Acts he referred to were to be found in the statutes at large.—(A laugh.) THE REV. MR. BENNETT. _ _ Colonel BOYD gave notice that to-morrow be would ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he was prepared to state to the House what steps had been taken by the Government towards instituting the promised inquiry respecting the appointment of the Ret-Mr :-Ben nett to the living of Frorne. MILL CIA. BILL. Colonel SIBTHORP gave notice of an amendment to the Militia Bill for abolishing the qualification formerly required for officers in the militia, and also for altering the mode of their appointment. THE LATE ARCHBISHOP MURRAY. . • . Sir W. VERNER had obtained permission to ask the, Noble Lord the Member for the city of London a question, of which he had given the Noble Lord notice. The House was probably aware, that on a recent occa sion a sermon bad been preached in Dublin in comme moration of the late Archbishop Murray, and the priest who preached the sermon is reported to have said that the deceased prelate was solicited by the Go vernment of the day to accept a distinguished post in the Privy Council as a reward for his unblemished life, and the high reputation which be held for wisdom. The deceased prelate, however, declined the offer, and he wished now to ask the Noble Lord the Member for the city of London, if he was aware of any such offer ever having been made by the late Government?—(Hear.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL—Sir, I have no hesitation in stating that the fact asserted by the Rev. Gentleman, and now repeated by the Hon. Baronet, is substantially , correct; but I should have hesitated making that admis sion had I not been called upon formally to avow it.— (Hear.) It was proposed to the late Archbishop to take a seat at the Privy Council in Ireland, and the Archbishop had decli ne d to accept it.—(Hear, hear. ) Si r , I can only say th a t i t give me great sat i s f action t o ma k e that proposal, w hi ch I did through Lord Besborough , and I much reg retted at the time that i t was ne t acce pt e d by a prelate whose character I esteem and whose memory I revere.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. EW ART wished LEGAL EDUCATION. to ask the Attorney - General whether any farther p roceedings had taken p l ace , on the part of the Inns of C ourt , i n promotion of the question of egal education. 7"Tha.AZTOENEY-GENERAL..wIa . uob obliged to 1110441, goiltkliail igaroailksisitulif Eta ing, for the information of the public, a few facts upon a matter of some interest.--(Elear.) The benchers ef the four Inns of Court had, for a considerable time, devoted the most anxious attention to the subject of legal ed _motion, and they had at length unanimously ageed upon a plan which they believed would be highly beneficial to the profession and the public.—(Hear, hear.) Pro fes torships or readerships were to be established in the different societies to be liberally endowed, and lectures were to be given, and private classes to be formed for the purpose of instructing students before they were callei to the bar.—(Hear, hear.) It would be necessary hereafter for a student to obtain a certifi cate of having attended a course of three lectures, or to be in a position to prove that he had satisfactorily passed a public examination, and, for the purpose of encouraging the students to sub mit themselves to these examinations, testimonials were to be given to those who were found to be the most proficient.—(Hear.) Ile need not enter into any mi nute details of the proposed change in the system, and he hoped that the explanation he bad given woul d oon vince the Hoe. Gentleman and the public that the benchers of the Inns of Court ware evinciag a laudable desire to promote legal education. LOSS OF THE BIRKENHEAD. Mr. DRUMMOND wished to ask a question on the subject of this ill-fated vessel, and in order to make his question intelligible to the House it would be necessary tor him to mention ;that her Majesty had the power of grantieg compensation to the amount of 801. To illustrate hi s meaning the Hon. Member slated that an officer on board the Birkenhead was the son of a very poor clergyman, who had totally lost everything he possessed, to this amount of 3001, and it was quite impossible for him and his friends to make the same good.—(Hear.) The question he wished to ask the Secretary at War was, whether there was any ground for hope that the Qaeen's Ministers would recommend to her Majesty to grant any compensation, by promotion or otherwise, to toe officers who survived in the Birkenhead, for their h e roic conduct and total loss of their property in that miserable ehipwreck? Major BERESFORD was happy to have this oppor his approbation and that of those who acted with w to the condu c t dis played _ by the men a nd o ffi cers who wer e present at t h e loss of this unfor tunate vessel, more e s p ec i a ll y as t h e troo p s on bo ar d t a u c n w ere not old soldiers, b ut recen t an d raw levies, who o i f th gi n i were going to join thei r reg i men t s; a nd it showed that that discipline 80 effective on the field could be acquired with a long period of drill.—(llear, hear.) The question of the Honourable Member seemed to re solve itself into two parts, one as regarded promotion, and one as regards compensation. As regarded the question of compensation, he had only to ssy that the War• office would be at all times ready to distribute com pensation upon the most liberal principle, according to the regulations contained in her Majesty's warrant. All these wasters, however, were usually brought before a board of officers; and although, in the majority of in stances, the animism compensation was' restricted to 801., yet in sPechil cases like this the board had power to go beyond - -at sum if the circumstances required it.—(Elear, hel l o lie could only say that any funds placed at his deposit for the purpose should be most cheerfully distibuted. With regard to the queetion of promotion, it di d not rest w i t h the War-office, but was vested in tie hands of the Commander-in-Chief, who had always evinced a desire to recommend for her Majesty's considoration all officers who distinguished themselves on occasions like that referred to by the Honourable Memher, and in four , case's of ship wreck where officers bad distinguished themselves in saving life or otherwise they bad received regimental promotion, or had been appointed to staff situations,— (Hear, hear,) In conclusion, he had only to mention tnat a subscription hid been entered into for the reliet of the widows and orphans of thoee who perished in the Birkenhead, and as the name of the highest person age in the land stood at the head of the list he could only hope that when the proper time arrived the gene rosity of the House would be invoked with success In the same direction,--(Hear, hear.) GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH BILL, Sir GEORGE PECHELL said this Bill stood for committal to-ni gw ht, it was number six on the paper, and he wished to knowhether the Noble ',Ord at the heed of the Woods and Works intended to bring it on, as he intended to make some objections to its chose.? Lord JOHN MANNERS said it certainly was his intention to bring it on, and if the House gave him an opportunity he should go into Committee on the Bill. MILITIA BILL.—ADJOCIINED DEBATE. Mr. HODGES said, before the adjourned debate was resumed, he wished to make s ome explanation es to a statement which he made on Friday, and which sp. peered to excite some merriment. The statement was that five hundred men devilled from a militia regiment to which he belonge4 and he certainly fell into a considerable error, for he had received this morning a letter from the adjutant of the regiment, from which be learnt that the number amounted to 881.—( A laugh.) Thd battalion consisted of 800 men, and during the time it was in existence 2,044 men had volunteered to join the regular army. kr. MOFFAT r, in resuming the debate upon this Bill, admitted that it was of too great importance to be mixed up with party questions, or to give rise to cried nation on one side or re-crimination on the other. The question was one of the most vital that could be brought before the House. They were not to consider whether they should have one or another Militia Bill, but whether the defences of the country were in an efficient state.— (Hear, Now, had they sufficient facts before them to justify passing such a Bill It was said that, people out of doors bad been lulled; into a no tion of security as to the defences of the country; but that was not to be wondered at when it was known that for forty yeses thirteen millions had been spent annually in maintaining them.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") The letter of the Duke of Wellington had been referred to as a reason for the present , Bitl, but the proposition of that distinguished personage was to enrol, not to embody, 80,000 of the militia. Where did the danger of enenvasion come frem? Was it from Prussia. Ausiris, Raseia, or Spain. He thought no one would venture to show that an invasion was; to be apprehended 'rote those quarters. There could be no doubt that France was the country meant, but if so it was much better to speak out if any real danger was appreheuded, instead of disturbing the economical arrangements of the country—if danger did really menace them,, they ought to increase the navy and make" it more efficient. Our mercantile marine alone was a safe guard almost against invasion by the united navies of the world. Our steam marine was nearly twenty to one, as compared with that of France. We had no less than 1,300 steamers, large and small, which, in case of war breakieg out, might be made most efficient. He did not think any case had been made out for embodying the militia, and en tailing a cost estimated at so large a sum upon the country. When the militia was called out in 1804, the expense incurred amounted to no less a sum than 6,000,0001 In his opinion volunteer forces would ba far more «fdicient and less expensive, and would besides not disturb society, as the present measure proposed to 00. He had such entire confidence in the maritime superiority of this country, that be saw no neoessil for the Bill, which he should now oppose, believing it would be in effective, mischievous, and vexatious. Lord SEYMOUR believed it was the opinion of the majority of the House that some measure was neces sary for increasing our national defences.—(Load cries of " Hear, hear.") Two Governments would not have introduced a Militia Bill without having been convinced of the exi,tence of such a necessity. Now, be asked himself this question —lf the present Bill was rejected what chance had they of say other being introduced and passed?—(Hear,) Clearly no Government would venture to propose auy measure either for a compulsory or voluntary militia. Le this Bill they had both the voluntary and cumpuhory principle, and those who were in favour of either ought to support it.—(Hear, hear.) All the high autho rities on the subject had admitted that such a Bill was necessary, apd he was astonished to find parties in the House not only anxious to defeat the Bill, but also to defeat the Government.—(Hear, hear.) Was this Bill to be defeated because the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) was opposed to it—because he thought a local and not a general measure was necessary. He thought that neither he nor any independent Mem ber of the House ought to take the responsibility on themselves of throwing out the measure. He should vote for the second reading on the understanding that he should be at liberty to move amendments in Committee. General REID thought he should commit a great breach of his public duty if he remained silent on so important a subject. As a military man, he looked upon the measure with very little satisfaction; but as the Government bad stated that they bad pro posed it after con su l t i ng t h e hi g hest military sue thorities, he should not refuse his sup port to the Bill, though he gave that support reluctantly. He thought this kind of force would be a method of providing for the safety of the countg whiah would be most acceptable to all p art i es , be ca use it would not be a permanent burden on the resources of the country. Mr. ELLICE did not consider this, so much a Militia Bill as a Bill for raising a subsidiary force by voluntary enlistment. Now, considering that employment was easy to be obtained all over the country, he was afraid that, supposing this principle of voluntary enlistment were adopted, there would be au unfortunate competition be tween the two services ; and as the regular army found it rather di ffi cult to obtain recruits, he did not think there would be m uc h c h ance of obtaining a suffi cient number of men for the militia service. He was not willing to argue the question as to the neoessity of some increase in the military de fences of the country, but if we were to have such an inorase, then it certainly ought to be effected in the most economical manner possible. He bad had some considerable experience of militisexpenses, and he remembered that this country bad paid six or seven millions for not one day's effi cient service. It occurred to him that a great saving might be made by an alteration in the military arrangements of our (felonies. For. instance, in Cauecla we bad been keeping double the Dumber of troops there for many years than were really needed. Tbere were thirteen or fourteen stations over which our troops were scattered, serving more its police in some oases than anything else. We had also 5.000,000/. or 6,000,0001. worth of ordnance stores th e re , and a large proportion of our artillery which, so far from being of service, had probably only had the effect of causing o b serva tions to be made with respect to our f ears of a foreign attack which w ou ld not otherwi se h ave b een : sr • hear, ) At one time he had intended to propose a Committee of Inquiry to ascertain what were our existing means of defence, for really it appeared to him that-the House had no settled information upon this. point.—(Hear hear.) The Ro use had no established military authority to guide thews, and, in fact s it seemed to him that , the House • was now lelitds o ol liggefeY ibilt4l.l4 TUESDAY EVENING, APRIL 27, 1852.. country did want more defences, be had no faith in the effieienov of MAW(' Bells, and he for oue hoped the House would pause before it adopted this expensive measure.—(Hear.) Colon 1 LINDSAY said the hest evidence of the no comity of an eug , nentetion of our de•ensive force way to be found in the two Militia Bills proposed by two separate Governments. Having corrected some errors into which some previous srakers had fallen with re gird to the amount of cff,niive force at the disposal of this country, the Hon. cud Gallant Gosntli men said he was decidedly opposed to adding to our hems forces by recalli. g troops from our colonies. The que-tion of protecting our colonies ought to be coneulered eistrac's edlY, end quite apart from any plan for forming a militia.—(dear, hear) As a soldier, of course, he should prefer 20 , 000 regularly disciplined ni-n to 80 000 militiamen; but then ne wanted troops for our gar risons. Surely, if they were to Wu- the course of in creasing the standing army, 8,000 men would not be enough to add to it. Less than 20,000 men increase would not be sufficient to put the country in a proper state of defence. Well, thee, they should next con sider the expense of their standing army. Tne total number of men voted for the standing army was 101,837. For the purp ese of ascertaining the expense of such army let them deduct the officers ' who cost the country nothing except their pay.— ( A laugh.) The number of non-commissioned officers and men would then stand stand 97,418. The total pay of these men amounted to 1.866,2571.; their clothing wee 287,379/. total, 2,153,6361. Now, the pay and clothing of 20,000 additional men in this proportion would amount to 472,6411. The money required to raise these men, being 5/. for each, would amount to 100,0001.—total, 572,6411. But where were they to put these 20,000 men ?—(Hear, hear.) They must provide new barracks for them, and also devote a large sum for good-conduct money, for hospital accommodation, for the movement of troops, for coals, candles, great coats, and for the sub sequent incomes to the pensioners. A sum of 65,0001. or . 70,0001. must then be added to the expenditure. Much had been said in reference to the volunteer system. From what they had lately seen of the enthusiasm of the people, he believed that in the event of danger they would find plenty of volunteers, but he was afraid they never could be relied on as an efficient body. The Duke of Wellington was opposed to the volunteer system for the defence of the country. In 1511, in one of his dispatches to Lord W. Bentinck, that illus trious man wrote to this effect :—" The enthusiasm of the people is very great, but I would never tract any thing to the enthusiasm of the people." Now every objection that had been urged against the Bill before the House would apply equally to the Bill of the Noble Lord the Member for Loudon.--(Hear, hear.) One of the objections of the Noble Lord to the measure was that the bounties would induce a great number of bad characters to join the militia. He (Colonel Lindsay) was of opinion that it might; but they would probably get a much larger number of bad characters by the adop tion of the substitute iysti m.—(Hear, hear.) He thought it was objectionable to pay the whole of the bounty money at once ; but if they distributed it over a certain period of time they would be more likely to se eure proper steady men. These men might be drilled by good sergeants at such periods of the day as would not interfere with their ordinary occupations. He would also suggest the propriety of drilling them by companies and never by battalions. He would support the second reading of the Bill. _ _ _ Mr. CARD WELL thought it was their duty to sup port the st-cond reading of the Bill. Uuder any circum stances, when the Government asked the House to con sider a measure which they declared to be necessary in order to preserve their shores from invasion, they would be undertaking a solemn responsibility if they offered any opposition to it. How much greater would that respon sibility be on this occasion, when they considered that there had been so great a concurrence of opinion between the present and the preceding Government as to the ne cessity of examining their national defences carefully, in order to the placing them in the position in which the people of this great empire had a right to expect that they should be placed. It had been proposed to increase the standing army, and another proposal was that they should withdraw a portion of their troops from their co lonial possessions in order to secure to the people here a larger proportion of military protection. Now bethought that this was a moat reasonable proposition, and he hoped that it would meet with due attention in the proper quarter. But that was a measure which could not be accomplished in a day. It must occupy a considerable period of time to accomplish it.—(Hear, hear.) When they invested some of their colonies with considerable powers of self-government, he thought it but fair that they should be required to provide for their own military protection, and thereby save this country from paying for it. But these were all reasons why they should go into the consideration of this Bill. They were met by an argument—and there is certainly a general impression prevailing out of doors—that they were about subjecting this country to a system of forced conscription to be carried on by the instrumentality of the ballot. He did not think after so many years ot peace that they would ever succeed in carrying such a system into effect. In Mr. Norman's able pamphlet, in which he reviews the burdens of this country compared with others, the writer says—" France is ground down by a system of military conscription which must be regarded as a large and unascertained pecuniary tax. England, however, is totally free from a military . conscription." He (Mr. Cardwell) understood that it was intended to work this measure by a system of voluntary enlistment; and the probability of a forced conscription was to be the last resort, which it was not intended to carry into operation. Whatever this country might be disposed to submit to under the severe exigency of immediate danger, he was of opinion that there was no possibility in times of peace of inducing the people to submit to anything like forced conscription.— (Hear, hear.) What was the step they were now about to take ? Surely they were bound to consider how the law at present stood. The 42d George 111., c. 90, was an enduring law. It stands upon the statute-book, and was in permanent operation. For nearly twenty year , they had annually dealt with it by passing a law sus pending its operation for twelve months; and within that law they had left a power which m i ght be e xercised by an Order in Council to suspend t he sus p end ing law , and to revive the enduring law. If, then, they c efeated this Bill upon the second reading, the House of Commons would find itself placed in this predicament : the m i . nister would say, I teld you, upon my responsibility, that this kingdom is not safe from foreign invasion. al, predecessor has told you the same thing.—(Hear, hear.) You, therefore, cannot dispute it. Yeti have, h owever refused to go with me into an inquiry into the derail. of a Militia Bill I have proposed in order to rented ) if you wished, have moved such this evil. If you thought that my mitigatory clause: wore not strong enough, in the Committee upon m, y o u theught proper, bat instead ot Bill you might, fo y two o r ti an r atha d e : n iag sueacton s f o ue pension Bill, because I do not think alterations as you rejected my Bill altogether I shall not, therefore, ask you t h at our shores are safe - from foreign in l v i ls ., io a n n . d g shat : oe u statute constituenciesa i ifi Militia e ß o i r i g i Bill. I, not like such 0 proceed by compulsory conscription through the means I, therefore, ' proceeding I cannot help it. The responsibility rests upon the advice of successive Cabi• not hold m yself responsible for the adoption of the other alternative into which you yourselves have driven me." —Meer, bear .) He said then that out of respect to of l :h i e n b o a Pe ll r o a t. tion li t ; c ,, ta __ o ut of respect to the safety and independence of the with you for reje r c e t a in d g in m g y . countr y, and also by that jealousy of compulsory coo ccriptiote they were b mud to adopt the second reading • o f this Bill.—(Hear, hear.) If they were soma ed by t hi s spirit they might be able to establish a mode la) w hich preliminary the Crown, acting arrangements could be made for the proper organisation of a militia, and at the same time gua rd against the danger of com p u l sory conscr i pt i on. h e y would thus be piecing the Minister in a state the would compel him to be answerable for the safety of thi s e ountry. Under such circumstances he could not mon• fells it with his conscience to do otherwise than vote fie tbil second reading of this Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. CHAPLIN reminded the El Jude of the necessity of affording every facility for the transport of troops from one end of the country to the other. The Presi dent of France and his G erernment were taking the most effectual measures for the completion of such rail way communication, by branch lines from Rouen to Ceen, and from thence to Cherbourg. Although a Bill had been passed in 1848 for a line of rail way from Sa lisbury to Exeter, in o inseqaenee of several untoward circumstances that had subsequently occurred, it was never carried out. If the Government would but con sent to advance 550,000/. at 3 per cent. interest, to' thirty years, he pledged himself to place snob unquea tionable security in the hands of the Right Hon. Gen tleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer as would satisfy him of its validity.— ( A laugh.) Admiral BERKELEY said it was generally agreed upon that the defences of the country were not in a satisfactory state. The Noble Lord the Member for Tiverton (Lord • •Palmerston) said that there were two measures open to the House to adopt : one was an increase of the standing army— the other was the calling out of the militia . But be was rather surprised to find it ne ver struck e Noble Lard that there was another plan which might be resorted to—namely, a force to be raise ene d by v e lu .t n h t e e r er o s t . This might be done at one-half the expense f the other plena. and would pro" much Noble gnoroe Lord sp„ke effective for the object they had in view. The of the French being enabled to raise 50,000 or 6 0 , 000 men in Cherbourg, but he did not tell t he House how Channel. Now men were to be transp orted across the Now there were, no doubt , a g reat many diffiou ties in the way of increasing the defences of _the . c . nuntry. Every Gentlemen w ho bad s p oken on tsh own to su bj ect ap. peered to have a favou rite nostrum of n pro. An EL de Gentleman connected with the railway ITreet:e interest of the country had just proposed his nostrum which be, no doubt, thought the most valuable that they bad as yet considered. Nothing was more ridiculou s then to magnify the resources at our .00mmsrui. It was quite a, absurd as the panic that had been lately thrown over the country. The proposition he was about to submit , 1V•45 one that would net cost the country 200,0001 He would only udic the Rouse to vote for the navy 4 000 men and 1,000 buys. By giving that number, in addition to what the Admiralty had at pre sent, he would undertake to say that they would have a fleet of 30 steamer, in the Channel, no • none of which would be under 900 or 1,000 tons burden, erased with the most valuable guns foie and aft; and six other steamers of a larger class. These • wouldpresent a formidable force before which he would defy any enemy to stand. He would tell the Noble Lord that it would take 80 or CO vessels to embark those men he spoke of as being reedy for action at Cherbourg. and it would take as many more vessels as he proposed to equip to protect them in the Channel. They should recollect they were not talking of the common occurrence of war, but they were to consider how they could best guard against a surprise and an attempt to brrade our shores while they were 140 1 16444-- .Voulecoootiy,_ tut ittmet via 10 by steamers, and by nothing • Ise. The eneeiy roust get toga ner 90 or 10i) ste eitets iotor, they , ier,ri iU I venture ecrose the Channel Wert such a ft eit as he proposed there was no 13 WA effi er tit for his situa tion ono would not be table to d-,trey ihe force et the enemy before it ceuld off ct a leedieg open the English shores. He should (Ike t teem et .empt to die- tn hut It upon our sh .res i e the tor.o i•f such a f (Heer. hear.) Freak aed benestiy he was co.:vi; cud that if they would plaee ouch a tore, as he heft dentibd in the hands ef the Adruirrilty, they need not fear any surprie', nor even that the coast would be invaded. That fere. he wished to y. e kept a ways at h.nd. end that no Government should be permeted to leave the country wi - hout De that. end the desired end w ou l d he attsio.A at a much cheaper rate then it could be by the establiehmeet 0: the mike*, end at a cheaper retie than any force they ceuld .hope to retests by the prseent Bill. Having said that much, it was now his duty to de clare that be seotild vote against the IneaStlrt. before ohe House. lei &leg so, however, he knew he should be taunted by the Hon. Genii. man oppobit•• teat he haul voted for the Bill of the N , We Ltd let„ at the hand of the vernment.—(Eleer, and u laugh.) But circumstances were. now changed—( An ironical cheer)--ind so changed •hat he believed Hen. Members opposite would be oiclined to admit them as ii valid argument. I fon. Members of the Government said that, mitwithstanding what their prin ciples might be, they weulii abide by the d cieion of the country at the upp , oaching • lections. Up to the period when the Noble L rit's Bill met with the fate it did at the betels of this House he was out aware Or any certainty of his own coustatuente who had pr. tented petitions against the Bill. But eine. the measure of her Mejeste's preei•nt !Univers has been under consi deration, the table of the House hed been nigrlfly covered with petitions against it. and his own constitu ents alone had presented no less thee eight. in op posing the Bill, therefore, he wits only tollosvine the example of Hon. Gen lemeu opposite, and bowie g ro the will of the oeuntry.—(tlear, hear and leugetrr) In conclusion, the Hon. arid Gehapt G -ntlernan as.ured the Government that, if they would endeavour to per suede the House that the plan he had suggested was the really national, constitutional, most proper, and wisest mode of raising a force to defend the Channel, they might rely upon baring his support in the talk of carrying it into effect. The Hon. A. DUNCOMBE said that as he chanced to be the only member of the Berard of Admiralty at that moment in the House, he bad to ask the indulgence of the House while he addressed to it a tew observations upon the present Bill. It, was admitted et. all bands that the defences of the country were not in either a satiefac tory or sate state—indeed, they had had that admission ' on Friday night from the Notelet Lent (Lord J. Russell), though strangely enough, the Noble Lord adducted the fact as a reason for not supporting. the Bitl —(Hear, hear, aid a laugh.) It appeared to him (Captaitt Due combs) theref •re, that the Ne•ble L rd when iu power, had proposed and supported a Militia Bill from a sense of duty; but that he now oppesed it for the sake of party.—(Cheers.) S ill, hewever that might be, be could have wished that the Noble Lord—powerful as be was both in this House and tr e c.notry—had not, or the moment, at all eve 'lts, obtruded patty principles into the consideralou of a measure like this, but have left it to be . calmly ene demesiientrely considered in Committee.—(ll- a., hear.) H • to hewed tha by foie lowteg the two pilot balleona, which the N .ble Lord sent up in the early part of Friday evening, he would soon find himself in shod water,— (11:'ar. hear) And he was sorry to observe that the Gallant Admiral was going to shape his course in the same manner; for sure he was that no person would he le.s anxious to gel into shoal water than he.—(Chee s.) Many persons said they had a right to look to the navy to protect our shores, and that before an invading force had an • pportunity of landing, the natty should be held responsible !or making mincemeat of them.--(Hear, hear.) To this he was quite inclined.to agree, presided we had at the press nt moment a powerful and effieuent navy at our disposal. That our navy was efficient, he adtnittee; but that it could efficiently perform all the duties which were re quired of it in protecting our commerce and supressing piracy in various parts of the world, and at the SSW!, time afford a powerful and efficient def lice for the country—that he was not prepared to admit.—(Rear, hear.). Neither . could he subscribe to the doctrine pat forward bertha Gallant. Admiral on a recent occasion, with reference to the possibility of lining the ',Manned with powerful war -steamers at signal distances from one another. But even admitting that we could find the vessels, be (Captain Duncombe) doubted very much if they could find the men.—(Hear, hear.) He regretted very much that the Gallant Admiral, who had been so recently connected with the naval affairs of the country, had not left as a legacy to his successors in office the 4 000 men and the 1 000 boys of whom be had spoken, instead of that crude and ill digested measure, a naval reserve; for he (Captain Duncombe) foresaw great difficulty in carrying out the oue,,but none in car rying out the oilier. Having made there remarks, he had only further to say, that however much they might ,prefer having a large, a powerful, and efficient navy at their call, he believed that, in the present temper of the country, they could get a greater amount of rem at a less expense by adopting the present Militia ate Mr. M. MILNES thought it the duty of every Hon. Member to give the Bill a fair consideration, however unpopular it might be asserted to be out of doors, and he could not conceive how any Hon. M. miser who had deemed it his duty to support a similar measure wbeu introduced by the late Government. could refuse to give his assent to the principle of tne present 13111.—(H.-ar, hear.) In principle tee two Bills were alike, and in matter of detail the present had, in his opinion, the advantage of the late Bill.—(Hear, bear) The Bill of the Noble Lord was more stringent, more likely to create discomfort in the people. He did not support the Militia Bill because he thought there was danger tit invasion. A militia was not a force likely to repel sun easefully such an invasion. —(Hear, h ar.) The rca 'tins for establishing a militia were of a larger and deeper nature. The progress made in Europe since 1815, when peace was established, had tended by no means to in crease the security of this country. He found that all .hose points on which England was likely to come to open controversy and disputes with foreign powers had inoreased rather than diminished. He found that up to a very We period there hal been a continued tendency to the maintenance of peace; but the extravagant hopes of the Liberal parties had bred a reaction, and the coil sequence now was the eetabltsheeent of despotic Govern ments throughout the whole of Earepe. The tendency if those Governments must essentially and necessarily he—hostility to Zeeland. They could not exist ii orosperity without displaying (toil p , rtiaps exercising) that hoatility. Tne prospects of this country, in its relations to foreign powers, could not, tre tore, be considered satisfactory; and the House was acting wisely. to lay the ground by preparations which Wet.. neither expensive, bor iittertered t it. greatly with th. ime aed labour of the people, fur such a permanent urea a s might act when necessary as a military reserve. and at the same time in some degree keep up in the minds of the people the daily consciousness that they might be called upon to risk their lives in defence ii heir hooves and country. - A militia force of 80 000 would prove more efficient than an adiiiiion of 8,000 tue, li to tba regular army. Th., first expense would uudoubt edly be great, but would ultimate ly be much el, c. eased 11•• thought that there was no retteoii why the youth to the couoiry, eap nuttily in .the tntoiu suturing diattiets, should not be military disciplined and orgat,iacd, Bed prove as orderly when wider arms and afterwards as the army or the yeomanry.—(ll..ar. near) Such ritscipli.o i,,hi.j. in ni s "(mem, leave them bever th in tt round hem.—(Hear.) fnere were some Inconsistencies in tbr Bill, but the principle of the Bill ought not t h e refore_ te be opposed. Experience and practice would show 1v 11 4 , , modifications were necessary. LI- should not give • vett• in favour of the sec rn , i reefing —(dear, hear.) Mr. B..RNAL °outwitted that it w .s not a con-isten argument to say, b- b vote rou gh . that because Hoe. Dileinbers had v.ite to allow the Bill of di , late G .verienent. to for in and read a first time, therefore they ought t o h the tecood reit tieg of me present Hill. Fur one, w tree to confess that he did not feel himself port the nteatore •whieb was introduc ed by the N :ble b ru -.d to •up Lord the Member for London. Far from t h i t ne hesitated wit to decants at ont(fi was teary to hear M. rerdwell produce.what he might that if this call em argument in i-rrorem, wnen he Gaut, dill were rejected the G .verion-ot would be juaefied u. coming dewn and proposing the si m o i t i l i t t i i r a. rus ts ti n ce of th. xitting enactmenta relative to pouting them ill farce, rated itistslettn ; - the ballot throughout the guim that any ht country. H's (Hr. B-rotil) t Govern ment would pau.e be f ore is resolve ) up P incurring ih, responsibility of t , taking such a step as that. —( year.) , t t h h e e w filial i t What were the argutneirs rieh were produced iu of the principles et a *km, Sic ? tna . t Member for Pomfret (Me. Ranee) wit : that the fits of E . trope w-re conibm,d agsies of the Geveenet us. Now was this, he asked, an illusien or a rotnener ? (Hear, bear.) He, for One, was inclitied to think it was both—(Cheers) —for rearedy a fortnight had elapeeo since assurances were given'to • this House that the moo friendly spirit and the most amicable relations existed between the Gose.rnments of Continental &tstes and the Government of this country —(Hear, hear.) Was tha true, or was it not? If i t *ere true, what then became of this argument for the establishment arid maintenance of a body of 80 000 militia men? —( Cheers from the Radical benches.) Further, ho would appeal to these Hon. Members who. ere aeqiiinted with the professional °art of the aubject, whether it was possible that in 18 or 21 days the men could be trained to manes aura in eem panics, or in fact to do anythine more than to should° , arms, and go through the goose step.. To him it was manifest delueion to suppose that they could. Then who were the men with whom they proposed to fill the ta that they weree of their milltis? Did they Beene"' senaineaut men of high, refined, and honourafee (Mr. Boon,) Whatever the gallantry of therseloier, feared that the argpanentarn ad cram n en hat:ntra p w4s usually tempted menu one of the principal a,gurn,ints ot her part of (0 serve as a sohlter either here or in an y ' I th ,t, with the werld. Did ELM- of men 61. bounty, they would descriptionbeitlnebthOrgsse„tuaon_ d year after tht y who would fall into rank in o t t e net. a,ett was v-ry mush had enlisted? Fie eimete e d t t , h bligpd to • have recourso a afraid that they might' prboviding- that the 61 pad d ee ds insanitary enisottnent. who did fee. makes , Asaopearince sheuld bounty to A 133.0 be recovered as a debt in one o her Heti sty's courts r f law.—(A 1-ugh.) If came to , he co cs ose of an af.. teal invasion, 'we red that we should want n itbe bounties nor enrupulsion in the ehaie I f a censciiptien to obtain the neco.sary force; bat he slid got this k that the levy o f 80 .. 00 0 me n, as prepoe.d either by t h e B u ll of the late or that of the present Government, weuld be a safeguard against such an even'. In the last war here was aeons() which lined our coast, and whatever objec tions were remote' to that force, he freely cen.eased that it was a useful foree. in many respects. He alluded to the Sea Fencibles. Trained to the use of great guns, and armed with's bag pike to be -used in defending their guns, such, a hybrid force as.that asightib case of Ann PPEgiiSloggAke, QQII Stu _ 1 12441 0 1 , 1a &OW: wi h very great theuriticiettel ;.lies 8.i., be ter eno het 'tett he waif acct j , i.tifit.d in attP 4 • tr.rffilp; tf, b came he opposed the pre-triple of raiettle, wh , titer 'peewee ily er by cornpulsioe, 80,000 - Coilititight 4 : at this partititair junctures,—(clear.)' Mr. D EEDE:3 341.1 eh. , Hou Member who kat *itp k e e. had t o le the House t st h i , ted nor. for a moment denbt . • that if en invesion of this c •urirry teok place would be men enough f iend ref), , e , twill aridettlele'W, defend its shores. lie (Mr. Peed. 0 had an enit'll curler- demi with the Hen. Geridernen it. fee readiness. 44 i e -' , 7 beef l ess_ gilletory tie eetintremen;• but - he 131- , every rest , et to +.04, kf•ff 1)1.40,7 t.witircand the hetl t that those good ye shays which they poeeessed wuutd made ue0.: . 0 :amok- if . they. Flisd ;'ie teiventage of sortire mietery treteieg mtvl th,c)plltie •hieNr.)"Q l W: rearetn why he were d impress tooet the House the ade' vantage ot eeme pr• peritrieu hely g made Wes, that if 1 1 were under. to d that the couetry were prepered,ic would • he a great et p gamed ti.ward s preventing tbe •peisk bail of an iususten.—(Hear. h. at ) He observed . .. that the tone of he deoute this evening had differed ' : very meteritelly from. that of Friday On . Friday the objeciene to the measure (:elf the Gevernment were very veiled in their character , ;, generally stash in their matter, and did riot present s'O': r. al or substantial tippo,ttion t , , the principle ot the •BilW - In the fi , •st piece the) h - d the Hon, and Genera Generitcf (Sir De L.c) Evans) lading the Houl, th a t he had 0, 1 , ohji-ct on to the prieciple ot the Bill; that he a dmittedi: e was neceesery to d ...melting with the view of pettier ; the country into a proper state of defeeice; but then, be, - added, be did-not thtek the measure" of the Governmet woe} accemplish that objc.cf., h respect to what 11; been's ad as to the number ef , eieti,iorts presented. again§ e , the measure, they a - ould temereber 'het the leursteeh touched the peck- , of Jetin Bert, , and the aryumeMtutis d db pocket—(Lieght,r)—wag line in w hi ch ifjey apuuh a. tpt, always impti -illy rely; for on such a point-the inns ee te„ were likely t o t ek • • the meet shin tssightea ov - of th ei . , el; • true interests. 0,, e wel d as it, the speech of the fle e Gentleman whe hal seconded the - amendment (Ln l :l 6 - - -; Etch.) That Hon. Geetl min at,. first r eli e d. for 1 11 7; defence of the ceurirry on a reserve force - of 'O b .:, goners, then he su i ted his r e tierce to the • naTe and subsequently to the rural police. lodependeul of the incousistetuy of such a mode of arguteente l 'ili Hon. Gentleman ought to have remembered that in titer , of difficulty the rural police would be required foOle preservation of peace wet the protection ot propertYL the rural districts Watt respect to ihe charectenOt Ire: men for a militia force, hv knew of no method but ttli e t'e the ballot box, by which the Noble Lord would oh t ee e eiti .' clone but the most cnaractere and most 110 7„ t . ceptienuble men; and he had heard with the uftnt surprise the Noble Lord express his opposition' to pr. sent measure tor there was not one word • otl e Noble Lord's speech on F r id a y ni g h t against theJeterl that would not apply with eq ua l f orce • to t h e wefts" tee , proposed by the Noble Lord before leaving OffiCe• was not for him to impugn the howler-8 •of the .NeL' fit a, Lord; it would he for the c o untry to d ec id e upon ai rs,conduct of the Noble Lord in the ma t t er w he n on g side of the House, and on the other (the OppositiOn); : i • Something, however, ought to be do ne , an d h e eruitr e y that in the conflut of opinion sumo on e m e asure for t*: L ei • proper decoct of the coutor), which was so inlPe t teß tively called tor, would not be lost.. • Aa to the nintiet;es which hit &foie , - ought to be provided tor, •if he ert f ee to give an optiolon, it world bee iu feveur of the 0 0 44_ tne Hon. arid Gall tut Gentlem e n (Celonel Reid). trusted, however, 'hit it she Bill v ere rejected Ine verument would nut throw up setegether the c o nsider7 te s teen of the de - ence 4.f the c u. try. H e would awg_„wge m 4 cc their enc , iuraging th e formation .vo uv lunteer 'r,il/ through, tit the Uhl ea Kii.gd and behind. Mr M. GIBSON sew that the measure was vielftri;;; - as ens of n • ertitteiry importance in the maeufecturll; districts; and brf *pi iskieg n the :verve of the 1/ !.e.e he wished to el the arreleion of the Attorncy Geb'e rs '4 to stirmanner in shier) /h.- m , attire wws p r e w en the House. Ire the 28. h clause he feu, d thw all perso e o' e t! chosen to serve wider tie Bill were et be s u bj e ct to tnvl;i. provisions or the 3d of Gee. 111 - , c. 90, tied of all other se o Acta amending that Act. But how were the publiO o l.o Members of Parlieineet to cetr) in their minds all thelt..,4 innumerable psoseetoris of Acts, or tarts of Acts, eo tte‘ to know the he .,pe ot the measure th e y were new end leg? Were all those previetoos referred to suited tv e e the eircutneteuces of the pretreat time? He found •one of those Acts—the 421 of George 111 —the P r e‘e e-- .4f„ - amble setting forth that is would tend greatly to ti e 3 7;e o • lf e. execution if all the said provi s ions were comPrb leu one Act f chat was the case 13 ° 1 ' 1 ' their provisions with re•peet to . the nrilil is It ht'" 4 oug :.40 t t o o rne b y e .G oo er tn ie p r r u i l se w d oo i l o d had • begun to be very generally adepted ot cons"h d . o xolinAwcht.y the e y h. pad the h iY; ;; ,,k, mg Acts of Parliament bad been depar li t r ecl acti f e ro e te ' this very point Mr. Baron Parke, a short time ag e ' ot e le the case of r, Hart v. the Eastern Moo n R a ilwaY teet t . : . pasty," observed that •" there' was ne small dila o D'''b e ine e ' ) constructin g A cts mate up f rom d i ff erent parte of ° b e t. Acts, which were p a rtly rep e al e d ar.d pertly vu tr se 0t , ,: That was the opit,iirti of Baron Parke; and If l 'i• Learned Judge experienced a d i ffi cu l ty i n construip o f' . ee such Acts of Perliament, what must be the difficultY . , e : r • Members of Perham nt and the g-nesal tn:mbers of r industrial c mmuntt) ? That he t ink as a prelonft:„breii: and he thisuget valid objection to the Bill• t a - eught to take aw a y the present Bill, and come bac k afee fu ure time with a Bid more likely to be reet eed• tio had given DO ice of an sue ndment to vstP"D e , measure to another P a rli ament . w hi c h h e thorn%b t he reasonable proposition, seeing that they were loon. •• close of the present Parliament and that a sPee 4 Y oro wn. lution had been atinoutic d the Mini s ter of th e bleb . e For when it was proposed t fore o r. ausci , ate a they . had been diecntenued fur nearly halt a cene--•;, be- , should have the advantage of a general el et have tore deciding upon it, so th at they WOl, O in the satisfaction of boosting th a t w h at v . r wee the mailer in another Pertain:mut had the cense" mat to c untry. The mariner et t air pr-ceedie ro g in the r ' e.to ; at present was must uncon s ti tu ti ona l . •It they W for g .versed accoroittg to public opinion—tne P u as opinion of the intelligent porti o n o f t h e comtnue it Y'o -"; co or ie e. Noble Led in another place expressed it—what he their o; j.ction to def meg the measure tO u fee ello Parliament? Did they wish to steal a march - nr°,`• te . - elj e'unrry, tearing that etembers weeld b • returne d ; lie Parliament pledging to vote egainat it? If so, be, 'l: le t conduct des . rved the utmost repr,,ba , ion. no doubt been a prime; but, I-ke most peelesege r t u tl tivg e ol . a purpose. I had hardly lasted tong e nough fur one, t 1 04. 120 ..he object iu vies.; and how that It was dying to the tre .- ' - o te There p otee et The 0-; "" unanimous opinion emin •nt politiciens as eessi y for such a Ille , 4stir. WS* 6 . l ;teiduals in the wagg e r • peeled to. eur , etuis of those dieinguished 1 ;346 the Coneervati f " need no weight with ben. I ter11; petitions were itrio - • Ministry proposed a Militia . utilio tliati-ly presented ag e I t : _P 1 " le g e wer f ee posel s . re feeling 0' pat' , i t t e te was get OP eirie",9:, wth.unldrutieha'rsrutrier'ona.lidAgiti;itbies tad reeelu ion. pas.ed, .1" g in terry drePhe e lith•ee'l) b e morP"' .;; was isle littipee•t; end the f N•ittler le (L •rd , • . r - ugt.t In Milt Kill "OVO , lttou and r e „ ere u tt o tl r l , :o w l e fi ",t r a. . t.an au ß d il a l i•tranoe, ri p h. 0 h i , trier, fir he reduced the stre ngth (e's 4 „, e p o ' COO reguhr army rh ot g It • en the etuf..vet. ci t riedlie, w ight with niontio., e , ete d „ P eer, ittd"d. a , It ther e Wq a adraft of a a 0 311 in so me pigeen•hule in te r and w" tr y aroseout came the Militia led ; t h e corn e ie , euwe il it displeasure. in w, IA th e mit t , hi t et ' . s tain to the pig. On h le. and so h e woui d undertoteee would tie the ease with re-p. et , to t h e p rfra d.Dt ° l ir e ...ire, which be lel' 0." "net d w- u e. rl Out be prepited e• - be e,ne second reading. 11 it were pressed, It w° llld , f.- ~ga,thut a storm in opposeii on i n the couutry, an d I-1, o 8 e ttempt to torte such a measure upon the couutr y ' i t would tail for went of cusopera ion, would be f ll- 7be with , be most derigi reit, e -"nsequences in exciting ; se eisaffe,clion and discontent ot the people. But now ee i ce e.ee d tree panio which h , ad t h b e ee n so nicely gut up thee'lift°' stun haul • (Ur. Newdegat , ) got u ti p, un b bi P 1 1 •tyle, talked of remit ti e called the teelitnee of ilnd"4:nli:eirh!orlltWot:erwr eetien of a prince who rules iu a neighbouring te ,'" - er o• , trio d livening himself in the most oreculs e r rra ti oi t to Yi e g t s: r in; s: ;; ',:,itdordditn°tdheeilDnuuhteto ofthegrmeitlibnegusmo:semin.ce t produution t hat But when Honour a bl e G e ntlemen 9 1 ) 'ke why th did veal much laughed at at the of the Duke of Wellinetou'a adv e lu e e n ' t w hey not themselves act up on -- advice °tll/ +, far from doing so, they brou ght in a measure t ' i latinot from that which tv es cousemPlad by the Du ke ; ehinoon, who required it .ceded, „to nest the ine e t i e which hey prop teed. e , torce ready at hen tad heard with regret the N tble L ird (Lord Pa tin • rue° ,con) speaking eeee pale f u l etec d ur u a t u ri y e of the Col3 b ilt Irto orailways d ec er g d a tro.r r ports, t i of t he various par_ st eo3ee e put on board e!, t he iieuittry to the water'. edge.. an d But those railways were D u; „ 41, once, to be landed with the utmost :Teed °L. e el shores of this country. t the Noble Lord spoke no r mvie; and though tha t and was so, ttbe , qustion real co ee r lable m ght be so, • • 'on ent in men they puot i v a s it becoming or Pr.d House t.• the Noble Lord end of Members of that .O ll ' I wo) e impaling secret tied unteor , h) deigns to O t t be rieighnuurieg friendly nation? Ought they i enet - ieuetantly dealtog out those stupid inuendoes sg e e. , - ~ De ighbourii g power for the purpose of ou r° taming en increase of our o wn forces? i r y ' 3 tter a lways assuming i n t his c sun , ry that we Ithew, ‘no be of hew t i govern France than the 36 000,vu el ose • her inhabitants kn - w how to gov e rn their° Ne ed , It appeared to him that th e I,„ e they lo ter for mg in the effors of that country, or ex p at i a t e d on its,..„ficrY• g evernment, the b etter i t would b-• for this C O • But the best answer to the speech of the Nobl e a ble • (Palmerston) was a speech delisered by the se w ,, s e ober Lord on the occasion wh en hi s H on. F r i en d the ere e t he fir the West Riding ( ric e Cobden) submitted LO i bis House a mottos, on the sutej- ct of inrernat iona _e cer d t he .ration. In that e sp eec h the Noble Lord deprece a practice 01 Curnpari.OUB ieetween th e belief of France and this c •Iniry and disclaimed e ll r b s in Vi to the conto.narce of public- military` w oe this France beieg premier e d by h os tile feeling* tew e u we rthit .; country, and cendetnned such suspicions as ee e to trill 1 kelp tie apprehended. %.k- hat Me the facts of the ! r od'. • to lead to the hostilities which seeneoseet r:qt.e? l'he Honourable tied Gel , aat mover of fh° 0; pre menu th,r44 were ' 67 0(10 trogva of .11 WM' _ d hut.' sent in the. Ureted Ke &Mom, ean'esi ve of di ' el. 2 l l: . le SP rations anti other excess 'rat w , unt be I tbveybishort Dace merg..ney. But in 180. Wnrtt, - 1 . 1 o f fit /fault-us, war was the V" 'r .he y ear. land forces in the c entry it; the o f openi , tg en _ ai l f ; ' e nd amounted to 66.574 men—itiflutrye_r..,vbb Atab ulj d : artillery.• After Lied Whitworib, the 13 ev d be e , seder, was insulted at Paris. the same Sear, 0 . 0 iklpassed throng" lob was brought in and •qeic, y ,w 1,3 in c o nesquence returned to thin couutry, ° J. , e ll its movement conunelle r V it _ dee stag" ' and a vast milit ary ,They I°los 0 fla t put the country in state 69.ty_ for 3 sot pend on it, then,. that .whenever•the neoeL„ . s t : 7 VONOCTISISPOYA II93I4 .- 411",21141:711-