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them working as little as they tonld at the reduced waaes of 12s a-week, inateed of from 255. to 355. l'nis was not confined. to Birmingham e in Leeds and other places they would find thousands out of employment. le Man Chester alone, the poor who received relief from the parishes amouritedeo twen ty-five thousand' persons; One-fourth of tie popula lion. As to the impropriety of allowing a Corn to;ttee to invire ieto the conitiel of alie existing Gseernmere, he ‘A OUld'onlY Say that such a course had teen presented by the appointment of the West India Committee four or five years awl He con jured Ministeia to open their eyes to the conse quences of a war with America, and to review their Orde.; in Council2' Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he did not rise to dis cress the policy and expediency of the Orders in Council, which would soon come ender the consi siderattoo of P,rliament ; that it had not come sooner to the sanie extent, the Hon. Gentleman must bear his portion of responsibility. He depree cated the idea of calling'-the attention of the House front-the tree ground Of the questiOn, and to give an unpressiett 7m/toting- an inattervion in the Go vernment to the public misfortunes. His.. Right Hon. Friend had not said there was no commercial distress, but by compaiing the trade and manufac tures of the coun!ry with their state in former pc-. ;lads, had shewn that this evil was not so great as it was represented. The cotton manufaeiory had arisen to such• a state of prosperity, as to expo! tto the amount of from 12 . to 18 millions in one year. The natural consequence of this was to bear on the other exports. Was it fair to endeavour, to give_ !his creamy a dislike to the war, when the war could not be prevented ; and was it not proper, ith a view to obviating such a result, to shew that the depression of trade did not exist to such an extent as had been stated' Is He maintained that our gain by America upon the surrender of the Orders in Council, would be trifling in comparison with our loss of the trade of the Continent, which would follow such - a step. He believed, that the impressions ow of doors were greatly exaggerated. Many parts, he would allow, suffered ; but it was chiefly owing to the. failure of the harvest, and not to the Orders in Council, and he could tiever be lieve th it• the people nf this country were ao dead to those maritime rights by which they were .ele va,ed to their present state, as ignorantly to surten, der thorn to the enemy, or even to neutral nations. The Berlin and Milan Decrees were the funeamen tal law - of-France, not to be departed from, until we ilnauld abaridun Or Orders in Council, and what was called the new blockade, which was the mea sure o: ,The late Mr., SecrefarrFox, adopted in the year 1806. They were to be enforced against us as log as we refused to recogni,e the system of an armed neutrality. Such , was the spirit of her last Decree., -He denied that there was any disiecli- Oation on the part of Ministers to discuss the ques tion ; they had refused the Committee before, t hink ing. it to be unnecessary, but they were prepared to meet the subject on its own grounds. It was not by florid descrptions of distress that the cautery could be carried through it difficulties. His Ma jesty's Ministers felt these difficulties as much as any one, could feel them, but still they would not determine to sacrifice its real interests, to any tem porary pressure; they atied upon more enlarged views, fur the ultimate advantage and prosperity of the empire. Lord STANLEY observed that som_ething more was due to the Petitioners titan merely to lay their Pe titions on the table ; they ought to be taken into consideration ;' under this impression, he should consider it to be his duty to bring theth to the con sideration of the House. So far from encouraging the violent measures which bad been pursued in va rious parts of the country, he' strongly depre cated them. Conceiving that the Petitioners ought to be heard, he gave notice that he should, on Monday, the avh, submit a motion on the subjeti Lord BINNING adverting to what had fallen from an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Whitbread) respecting , the Commercial Loan, the payment on the' next in stalment bring due tomorrow, wished to state, as Chairman of the Committee, that &at numbers of the Sebscritos would have been glad that the day of payment was further postponed but they were )eady nevertheless. Mr. WHITBREAD, in explanation, : observed, he had merely sated, that the Right Hon. Gentleman had aefused to give the extension to the Subscribers. But whether there was more ur less of distress he did not know. Mr. LYTTLETON wished to correa a wrong im pression which might have been made by some statements on the Petition. He mir-hdouboed whe ther all the-manutacturers were employed: He knew tri„t previous to the meeting a kind of censuj had been taken of the number of mannfaeturers, and on the average 4 - te:trly oite-half were out of.employ.--- It appeared also, that in some of the great mina factories one-third Were then employed; but in no -were more than two-thirds employed.— With respect to parochial relief there was no place in -England where the poor were better off; there were many friendly societies and clubs; from these they received considerable benefits.. He under study, however, that, in the course of a few months there would be out of employ 70,000 manufactu rers. He was aware that those who stated fa is of this nature might be taxed with having ieflamrria. tory designs- - -with want of. patriotism ; bUt the statement was true. , General TARLETON attributed the distress in trade to tie Orders in Council; the highest and the lowest, and the richest and the poorest,. were equally ag grieved by them. He deprecated the manner in which the Petitions had been received, in turning a deaf ear to the complaints from all parts of the country. He had expressed his feelings in respect to the riots at Nottingham, and called for inquiry ; but his call was disregarded, and what - was the con seqeence ? The spreading of those riots into other Convinced of the necessity of inquiry, be should support the motion of his Noble Friend kLor,i S;antey) whenever it was brctight forward. Mr. I.I•I4KRYAT - thoUght that attempts had been made to infiame ,the minds of the manufaaurers against ins Majeity's Ministers, by circulating a re port that the litenSes were' issued only for the puri.ose Of increasing the fOrtunes of a few private iirdi‘ The petition was laid on the table. tiNttttri,t rtAttg. Mr.‘bANics moved the second reading of the gi.; necure Place Bill. , The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not rise to oppose the progress of the Bill, but to state that he conceived it was not framed on a right prin ciple, and thbrefore it was but fair to the Hon. Gen tleman and to the House to, state, that when the blanks were filled up, he should discuss the prin 7 ciple, and endeavour to coniince the House that it was so erroneous it ought not to be adopted. Mr.BANKES thought the principle of the Bill was not objectionable. He stated that he should propose the Coinmittee to fill up the blanks (few in num ber) on ,this day se'nnight. The Bill was then read a second time, and com mitted for this day se'nnight. PRINCESSES ANNUITY BILL. On the motion for the third reading of the Bills, for granting an Annuity to the Princekses, Mr. TIERNEY assured the House, that he had every disposition to aot liberally to the Princesses, but he could not consent to grant the money which this Bill went to grant. He objealtid to the An nuities commencing from the 18th of February, and to voting so large a sum as 36,00'01. in the present straitened circumstances of the country. He thought that it could only be given to the Princesses for the purpose of laying it by. He did not think the Princesses themselves wished to have a separate es tablishment, and desert their mother. If sepa rate establishments were to be given them, other branches, of the Royal Family were entitled to consideration. Mr. Tierney contended, that the burn of 184,0001. voted for the mainten ance of the Queen and Royal Family was sufficient Aithout an additional call. • He condemned the ap pOinttnent of four Lords of the Bed chamber —four Grooms of the Stole, and seven Equerries it; at tendance upon his Majesty,, as a wanton waste of public money ; observed, that only one BUlletin bad been issued within the morl), and then no Groom was in attendance. Having . made'a variety of observations, and stating the necessity of mak ing a separate provision for the Princess of Wales ,anti the Princess Charlotte, and also of rendering the • Royal Dukes independent of the Crown ; he proposed to leave' out the date of the annuity, niak - ingahat date pro , pedive, and not retrospeetive. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, 111 ,reply to the obserNations of the Right Hon. Gentleman, thought he would not wise, to strip his Majesty in his excluded state of- all aPpearbnce of dignity. That' might be the opinion of the Rsht . Hon. Gen tleinan.—(No, said Mr. T)—Then, said the Chan cellor of the Exchequer, ' l .l sincerely ask his Par : dim, for I understood him tosay that it was not ne cessary to have all the attendance provided by the establishment." —(Yes, said Mr. D. to a certain ex tent). With respeaf to the dating of the commence ment of the annuity on the 18th of February, that was done in consequence of the expiring of the re-, stritStions on the Regent. The Right Hon. Gentle man trusted that the House would _ be impressed with a different sentiment from Mr. T. as tothe.se parate establishment propoSed for the PrinceSses. 'There was no disposition on their part to abandon her Majesty, but it was necessary they should have the opportunity of removing occasionally from the scene. Mr. 'WHITBREAD expressed his surprise that the Right Hon. Gentleman had not thought proper to introduCe the name of the Princess of. Wales into the discussion, or to submit to the House the pro priety of introducing into the Bill a separate provi sion for her Royal Highness, while he was so libe ral to the other female branches of the Royal Fa mily. He had no doubt of the truth of the Right Hon. Gentleman's statement, than' he had communi cation with the Royal Personages who were the ob jeBs of the present grant, and he had no doubt that they bad expressed themselt.es perfealy ready to receive the sum proposed. But be ventured to say, that the Right Honourable Gentleman had not 'ex plained to those Illustrious Persons the present state of the country, o he was sure- that, they would not have consented to increase its bur dens. ft had been unfairly stated, that he and those on hii side of the House wished to deprive his Majesty of the splendour belonging to his ,ex alted rank. If any such wish 'were entertained,. it was by the Right Honourable Gentleman oppo site. Of the four Grooms of the Bedchamber, ap pointed to attend his Majesty, . three were absent on foreign service. Was not, that diminishing his Majesty's State ? If any . part of the Royal Family should be made,. independent, it was the male branches; for being Peers of Parliament, they ought not to be subject to the influence of the Mini;ter.-- In that case, ho A:67er, he thought the establishment granted them ought to be paid out 91 the Civil List,. which' with , proper management was well' able to . bear it. It had been publicly announced that her Majesty was about to hold a Draw ing-Room. The public naturally asked why, under- such circumstances, the Princess of Wales had no public appointment, or why, if there was to be a Drawing-room held, she was not to preside ?- If the Right Hon. Gentleman held the same opi nion with respect to the condu& of her Royal High ness as he did formerly, it was his duty to give the necessary advice in the proper quarter, for the pub be re-appointment of the Princess of Wales to the dignities of her high station. Sir J. Newrotur asked why the Right Honourable Gentleman had deviated from the former proceed ing of charging the annuity to the Princesses on the hereditary revenue, for the purpose of charging it on the Consolidated Fund ? The CHANCELLOR of 'the EXCHEQUER replied, that in the former Bill the grant was to take place at a futtire period, but that in the present 8 , 11 it was to take place immediately, and must therefore be charged on the Fund immediately applicable. In 1 806, when an additional grant was made to the Princesses, the Ministers of that day naturally, proposed that it should be charged on the Consolldated Fond; and he believed no instance could be fou;,d of a grant which was to take place• immediately havingbeeu charged.on the heieditary_reveaue. Mr. COURTENAY spoke to the same effect. Mr. TIERNEY said, that the presor grant might be charged 1,11 that part of the Conolidated Fund, which was constituted by the hereditary revenue. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH,EQUER LONI7ON : Printed by_ l HOMAS WOOD, ,s of No. 35,,Maiden:lane,..Covr.!nr-gpsjen';:and. the tiiliinet in kirhith.the_ tere(litary-, reVentif-, waft rnerged in' the Consolidated. Fund, .and which dered it impossible to make a tiiarge on any disv inct part of it; , . . •." Mr. TIERNEY merely wanted the grant to be charged on the hereditary 'revenge, sa. that on the demise of the Crown,_ Parliament would, hw enabled to ascertain what were the exact sums, will) which the revenue was burdened. .„• Mr. Rose repeated the observations of , the ,Chan cellOr of the Ex'ehequer: The 'hereditary revenue of the : Crown was by no means so large as Gentle , - men, opposite seemed to think. Mr. TIE'RNEY said that it. was 1,4do;o0i1: per annum. Mr. ROSe discovered the Right HOn.Gentiernan'i mistake. He had confounded the bereditaty reie 7 nue of the Crown with the temporary . rt venue which had been settled on all the Sovereigns of thy country from the time of Queen Ann, at the ptt• riod of their accession. The heredita y revenue did not at present exceed 350,0001. a year. Mr.W. S,MITH contended, that under the deplor able circumstances of the country, no such grant ought to acceded to.. Mr. Secretary RYDER expressed his surprise at the importance wive!), in this last stage of -the Bill, Gentlemen opposite appealed to attach to it. He was persuaded, however, that the measure .was a pbpular one. It had been stated that a provision ought, to be made for thePtincess,of Wales, as well as , for the other Princesses, in the Bill. There was. this material distinction, however, tb,:t the Princess of Wales was in possession of a seiiarate it~der>e :deter establishment, -which I,vds not the case , 4-ith the other Prini:esses. This w as a:1 that he would at present state on that subjecit, as it was one on w hich, from obvious motives of delicacy, it was de , irable to avoid a . disesission.. The Gentlemen opposite tnilit if they pleased throw out insinuations, and ask ou-iiions, but he trusted that his Right Hon. Friend. would not by: induced' to deviate from that proper and respeCtable silence which. ought to be maintained upon the subject. It had been stated as extraordinary that her M ijesty was about to 'hold a Drawing-room. He did not know what view the Hon. Gentleman entertain,d of . the else, but hs Majesty, notwithstanding hiS unfortunate affliction, was still rSing ; of coutse her Majesty was still ,Queen, and under those circumstances. he knew not who ought to hold a Drawing-room unless' it were Mr. WHITBREAD, in explanation, denied having asset ted that it was improper for the Queen to hold a Drawing-room. All that he said was, that the Prineesi of Wales ought to be placed in such a si tuation, as to enable her Royal Highness also to hold a Drawing-worn. Lord A: HAMILTON observed, that the additional surn granted in the early part of the present Session to her ,Majesty, was so granted on the express re presentation Chat the Princesses were to remain with her : and-new they came forward for separate esta blishments. The establishment of the Princess of Wales was only 50001. a year, arid therefore he did not think much delicacy was exhibited towards her Royal Highness by those - who talked so much about it. The question was then called for, and strangers were excluded. On our return to the gallery, however, we un derstood that the opponents of the Bill had deferred dividing until the intriidoEtion _of the clause by which the period of its commencement was to be fixed. The CHANCEI4OR of the EXCHEQUER then in troduced several new ,clauses ; on that being pro posed by which the commencement of the operation of the. Bill was fixed for the 18th of February last, Mr. WHlTBREAD,.adverting to what the Right Hon.-Gentleman opposite had said of delicacy, ask ed if• there had not been at a former period a.soletnn proceeding on the case of the Princess of Wales—if that case, had not been referred by his. Majesty to his Ministers for their adviee , --if on that advice, her Royal HighneSs had not been received at Court—if the Right Hon. Gentleman's Right Hon.. Friend had not then caused to b e pri n ted, a t a private pre,s in his house, a large number of copies of a clet, , if the transa&tion, for the yet-pose of giving them to the world ? why the work had been suppressed,* did not know. But he knew that several copies which had got abroad were bought up at a large expence, and he believed that cetta;n advertise;- merits offering rewards to those who would bring copit!s Of, the work to one Liudsell, a bookseller, proceeded from the Right Honourable Gentleman or his agents. Mr. Secretary RYDER confessed, that when, he had said the subject was one of delicacy; he did not flatter hiMself that the ob,ervation would make much impression on the Hop. Gentle Man. :As a Member of Parliament, he felt it his dutyto state his opinion on the subject. If he knew any thing of the feelings of the country, .he was persuaded that no part of the conduct of the Gentlemen opposite had created more general disgust and disapprobation than the manner in which. they lid introduced this subjeCi to the attention of the House. A division then took place," Fur the Clause • - tot - Against it 35 The Bill was then _ordered to the Lords. Goldstnid's Debt Liquidation Bill, after some dis , , cussion, in which Lord Follt'estone, Mr. Baling, Mr. G. Johnstone, Mr. Manning,' Mr. W. Smith, and Mr. Rose participated, INAS ordered to be read a third time on Wednesday, and w be-printed. • Mr. WKARTONappeaied at the Bar, with the Re- Port of the Gold Coin Bill. On the quesitonbeing put ‘.‘ that ; the Report be brought lip," it Was opposed by Mr . . Parnell, and after a few words fom Loid A. ,Harni,ton, the Chancellor of the Exchequv.r„ and Lord Foikeitone, Sir J. NeWport move-d the question of adjournment. On this anew dicussion arose, in Which Mr. W. Smith, Mr. MtNaughten, Mr. W.. Wynne, and Lord A. H participated, after which a (.110- siort took place, when the numbers were— For the Adjournment - - 35 Against 'it, - tot Strangers wereoot_re-admitted. We understand the question of adjournment was about to be movtd ;,gam, when it was agreed to postpone the bringing up of the Report till Monday. Published by WI I LIANI ARM' GE R SC R PPS, ' South Mc t - ,4 * i- i:' .0 6 iii' : Cotircr m CHANERIi: Yesterday the Lott D CH A NCELLOR judgment in one of the many caries tc hiC thlye sprung out of th e bankruptcy of Messrs. House, (that of the Wakefield bank), and by whic'hisome point.; of great importati:e t i cduntry bankers and their agents, the town . bankers; were decOed. . In all these caps; s; as well those of the 1-1;114 Ye,vil, Leeds, and York, as the Wakefield bank, it had been the custom of the Lotintry bcinkeis to seta Up tO,town bills before they became due,,indiy4A in blank. It ought to he known, said his Lordship; that in such case;, if thr Town banker will at frau . .., duiently, he may do it eflecloally. Where the inten:ion of the parties evidently - is; that such tiansinmed bills s all retnciin . as seeut - ltl only io answer a Special purpose, such bills c ernani the;property of. the rerniiter ; an d i n case o f bank ruptcy cannot be dk:poseti of by • the assignees, event if thetown banker has a vower, to discount for limited ptirpose ; if, in faC.l,.he'has not discounted i and such hills reitiai:i in sßecie, they are the pw perty of the rernitivr. The Case of the /Jun bank (decided on Tuesday) was, put out of doubt by tlie express 'wei.tten "claration, that such tin s wore held .a- s _ s p curity by Messrs., ; 1.414 - the Loud CH ANCki.Loit, held, that the. same contract jit h be I , lerred, • though there was a declioaion, from Cie cirturu stances of the transattin,; and inthe ca g e of tLe .lieficid bark, it appeared that in the weekly ac counts snt dOwii into the country; no cra<<it wac given tot the bilk - utuil they bec,!ine k!ue It also appeared, that when in fact swot- uLf.p.• bills were discounted, no accoont, of such discount was tr,iis mitted, which was a confession that that wa3 wrongfully done. His Lordship will give judgment on the cases of. the Yolk, Leeds,,andYeomil _banks, tbii day ; the circutusi.incrs of which Older • from tho,e of. the Hull and Wakefield baoks ; already decided in iavvuti of the country bankers. COURT OF KlNb's BENCH, APRIL 17. TAY L , R V. LEWIS. .Mr. STORKS moved to set aside the verdia, and .1 enter a nonsuit in ibis case. The cause %Vas tiled at the last Aylesbury Assizes, bt.fore'Mr. Justice HEATH. It was 31) action on the Stbtute of Anne, for wing a greyhound. The faas were, that the 't defendant, a respeaable farmer, but not qual , fied to kill game, was in company with a Mr. COlning, a Gentleman abundantly qualified ) and to whom the dogs bilonged ; he was seen to beat the bushes,ao4l rode after the hare. He was not the servant of Mr. Colding, the qualified man, but adrnitte,d he wat . with him as a companion, and for the purpthe of en- • joying the pleasures of the course. _ At, the trial, Mr. Justice HEATH was inclined to nonsuit the plaintiff; but on the authority of a case [pled by Mr. Justice LAWRENCE, who held, that . a , ~ person joining in the cnase, .t h ough the dogs be• . longed to' a qualifi e d p erson present , was liable to. the penalty, he direaed the Jury to find for tiro. plaintiff, reserving the right to the Counsel for 114 defendant to move to enter a nonsuit. 1 Lord ELLENBOELOUGif asked if, it. were sgreel that all the world must runaway from a - man court'. ing, •as from one infeeted with the plague? It it ',lad been the case of a se r v an t, h e should- not have.had a moment's hesit a ti on ; f or if t h e, l aw wens otherwise, there must, be an end.of all hunti,,g, L eas til they could get qualified whippers-in, &g. Rule granted, Ora BAILEY.—The Sessions laving ended, sen tence of Pcath ,has_ been passed on Henry Shippey, for it highway robbery; Thomas rianna,gan, I\:;e3. Daley, Joseph Thompson, alias Joseph Woolinari Thompson, and George Smith, for forgery; Eliza beth Burn, William Webster, and Susannah Webs • ster, for privately stealing in a shop; GeosgeLittle, Int- highway rd,bbery ; Susannah Eaton and William Pike, for stealing, in a dwelling-house ; Harper and Matthew Smith, for burglary; Daniel Brown, for horse-stealing; and Joel Ware,. for re-, turning from transportation.---Two were ordered trtt be traniported . for life, viz. John Whitehair and Michatil Cirroll ; one for 14. years, vii. Amos As ton ; and 19. tor seven years, viz. John Cook, Eliats Abraha i ns,R o bert Weir, .Lucy Parsons, Joha Pitcher, Thomas Watkinson, John Hughes,. Ana Stevens, James Stamp, Sutter) Cooke, Wm. Blake, Pizabeth Hathera, i\l try Beck, James. Dal.vson,_ Ev:in Evans, James Pitteathlev, John Holcomb, John. Brown, 'John King, and Henry Lazarus;. threes were ordered to he imprisoned in the House of Cur reCtion tor two years ea , h ; nine for one year, and nine for six caleno moriths,each, it; the Serne gaol; seven to •be imprisoned in Newgate for various pe rio Is; four to be privately and . eight publicly whip ped; fi kern judgments respited ; nine fined I`s. each and discharged ; and thirty discharged by procla mation. BlRrtls. On Sunday rnoriung, at his house, Notting-hill, the Lady of the lion. Colonel Macdonald, Ist Guards; of a Daugh!e-r„ On Wednesday , last, at li'is house near Dulwich, the Lady of Thoinas Lett, jun. Esq. of a - Daughter. On Thursday night, at Westbouroe . Creen, the Hon: Mri.. Heneage, of a Son. , . . • M 1k k t;!, ) Lately, at. Wh?tstable, Mr. Edenden, one of the Cornp.my Dredgers, to Miss Mary Minter.. On the 29th of May last, at Midtiapore, in tengal, 'ohs* Nlitford Rees, Esq. judge and Magistrate ,of Rungpore, to MisS H. A. Stokes, eldest (laughter at C barles.Stiykes, Esq. Receiver.Getteral.of Inland Taxes, &c. I,ls of Franc;. ME 1). On the , zgtb. Ai 1 t at Kilbr“te Castle, Sir-lames Caen?- bell, 'Batt. of Abcruchill, in the year of his.,ge. At C lankceti, in the County of, Fip yerary, Thomas Woo-d. ward, Esq. son • Of the late R icliard,Lord.bishoprof Clovne,. • eyentn4, at his lathers house in Upper Her ley-street, the key, Stephen Sluade, second son of Hans Sloane, Esq. PPR; Eo S7 . ((;11 R DAY Y EST E !la:1k Stock, 223 Navy Pcr Ct ii" Irish s.per Cent. 4 Per Cent- 74 i 74 . per Lt.. Red: 59 58 1 , 1 591 -59 3 per Cent. Cons. 59a bo soi Bank 1.. Ann. 15 5-16 5-16 India Stcck, itidta l;.nals, 6s. 7s. pr. ()Id Ann. Excheci. Bins, par, 2s. pr. Omniurn, Imperial 3 per Cent. C,ns. for 27th 11 v, 6c, 6o HIGH WA•t•Eti AT LUNDON ROW. • 'Morning, 9 min. after S. I Evening, 34 min. utter S. , iton-street, G r )sveoor-sql.wre,