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it, but his Lordship wall not more placable In his pol.t;cal resentments than others ; besides, having agreed in the justice of a grant to Lord Auckland fro n the same fund, he could not be considered a very impartial or a very consistent authority. The Hon. Gentleman was desirous of referring thisinb jett to a Committee. Committees were, indeed, much th- fasinon of late; the, Civil List had been referred to it, but he hoped that delicacy would pre vent- them from adopting such a course in the pre sent instance; respeating a fund which was entirely at his Majesty's disposal. Mr. P. MOORE' was for the appointment of the Committee, were it only to legalise that which 14 as undoubtedly most doubtful. It appeared to him, that at present the Crown bad no more right to grant pensions out of these Leeward.lsland Duties than it' had to grant them out of the revenue of the Duchy of Cornwall. Let a Bill be brought in to vest this right in the Crown, and he would be the man to support it. Whatever the true splendour of the Crown required, his Constituents were ready to go without shoes and stockings to afford ;' hut. they demanded in return, that (or the api lication of the sums so granted by them, there should be some le gal responsibility. Lord FOLKESTONE observed, that the motion of bis Honourable Friend was, not to'censure the ap plication of these duties, but to appoint a Com mittee to consider whether the'y had been properly applied or not. The only advocate for the present mode was an interested advocate, who received out of the 4 and half per cent. Fund a greater pension than by the existing law could otherwise be con ferred upon him. The argument - urged by this Right Honourable Gentleman was most fallacious. it was no defence of the present abtise to say that it had existed in former reigns. The original object of the duties, as described in the original Aa, was for maintaining the honour and dignity of bis Majesty's authority_ in Barbadoes, for repairing the ports, fortifications, &c. Were these objets answered by granting a pension of 15001. a year . to , the Right Hon. Gentleman, of 30001. a year to one Lady, and 30001. to another ? In Queen Anne's time., in - consequence of a representation from Bar badoes, .that the fortifications, &c: were in ruins, an&that these duties were not applied to thepur pose for, which they were originally imposed, they were restored to their proper channels. They were excepted from the Civil List of George I. and George 11. And in the beginning of the present reign, when a compaet was entered into between the King . and Parliament, by which the former gave up his hereditary revenues, in lieu of a stipulated allowance, an inquiry was instituted on the subject, and in the document laid on the table of that House, liese fourand a half per cent dtities did not appear among those hereditary revenues, which, in his opinion, was a complete answer to the argument that they were vested in the Crown. Mr. LONGi in explanation, denied ever haying ar gued that the long existence of an abuse was a rea ton for its continuance. His argument was ap- I lied to a practice which he did not consider an abuse. Mr. ROSE contended, that when the Four and Halt per Cent. duties were originally imposed, al though it was undoubtedly meant to apply a part of them to colonial purposes, yet that this was entirely at the discretion of the Crown. During the whole of the reigns of George the First and Second, the accounts reipeaing these duties were open to the inspedion of Parliament, from which the inference was clear that Parliament did not consider that they had been improperly applied. In various instances these duties had been recognised as belonging to the Cro.vn. Adverting to what the Noble Lord had said of the pension granted to his Right Hon. Friend he put it iu the House, whether 15001. a year could be considered as too large a sum for one, who, for nine or ten years, had so ably executed the duties of the situation which his - Right Hon. Friend had held. The application of these duties had gone on for a full century in the way in which it was now pro ceeding, and seeing nothing in the particular cir 7 cumstances oft he piesent-time which"deManded in quiry, he should oppose the motion. . • Mr. MsaaYA:rT "described the distressed state of the West Indies, and expressed his anxiety that an investigation shOul,' be et4ered into of the b , .!st mode of saving the Islands from the ruin which hung over them, and which in its fall would probably involve the Mother Country. Mr. CLEEVEY made a short reply. He contend ed that,it was allowed on -fit hands, that the law was as he had stated it to be. Should the House negative his present proposition, it would probably not be long before another-opPortunity was afforded of renewing the discussion, and of putting the mat ter on that basis upon which it ought to rest. The CIIANCELLOII of the EXCHEQUERhad thought that atter the spyech of the Right Honourable Gen tleman near him, there would . have been no appe tite for renewing this discussion at any future period. Notwithstanding all that had been so ably urged by his Right Honourable Friend respeEling the original Ad, the Hon. Gentleman persevered in confining his observations to Barbadoes, leaving out of his consideration all the other Leeward Islands, the duties in which Were positively granted to the Crown, on the condition that the owners of estates iu those Islands should have their rights to those estates confirmed. Adverting to what bad been said by an Honourable Gentleman respecting the present situation of the West Indies, he observed that it was absurd to attribute that situation to the operation of the 4 and half per cent duties. It ori;inated in circumstances of a very different de- .Mr. WHITBREAD Slid it was unusual, after the moving of any propositina had been allowed, to re ply, fur any one, and especially so prominent an individual as the Right Hon. Gentleman, to rise to address the House. The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to imagine, that what he termed the clear and conclusite statement of his Right Hon. Friend, was to put down all further discussion on the sub jei't. In the first place, without Meaning any per sonal disrespect to that Right Hon. Gentleman, he must say that lie was a vety.questionable advocate. Su tar was he (Mr. W.) from hating hls appetite blunted by what had fallen from the Right Hon. ,Gentleman that his stomach was rather whetted for for a further consideration of the subject. He did 21 ot think the Right Hon. Gentleman had fairly treated the MR. Centlentan who had deicribed the West Indies as.adeVoted part of the empire, ex posed to inevitable ruin, unless some steps were taken for its salvation. It was not fair so to put down an Hon. Member who had coincided with, the Right Honourable Gentleman during the period that, unfortunately tor the country, he had been in the administratiOn of its Government. With re , spea to the assertion made by the Right Honour ableGentleman (Mr. Rose) that the pension granted out of these duties was not too great a reward for the services of his Right Hon. Friend, he Would ask that Right Hon. Geeisteman, whether, if these Duties had not existed, ho-thought Parliament would have addressed the Crown to grant his Right Hon. Friend a pension of 1.5001 - . a year—the only way in which a pension to that amount could, by the provisions of Alr.Burke's Act, be legally conferred ? 'He would say one word on the subject of the special ser vices, charged on the Fund in question. When the House saw, as items of these special services, the sum of forty-eight thousand pounds to Sit Grey Cooper, and another considerable sum to Mr. Ro binson, it was impossible for them not to recall to their minds the calumnies, as they had been then termed, -of former times, (for it was not allowable to hint at the existence of such praatces at present), when it was boldly asserted that large sums were de - - voted to the purposes of influencing Parliament, or, in other words, of gross and rank bribery; and not to suspect that, for these assertions, there might be some foundation in truth.- He should most assuredly •vole for the motion. The House then divided-- For the motion - • 19 Aganist it - - Majority • - -31 OFFICERS OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. The CHANCELL-OR of the EXCHEQUER, after some prefatory obserVations, moved for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the 50th of The King ; respecting the regulation of the Officers of the House of Corn tnons, and to establish other and further regulations respeaing the same. - Mr. P. MOORE did not rise by any means to op pose the motion, but merely to ask whether there was an absOlute necessity for a Deputy Serjeant at Arms ? He was always averse* to the appointment• of a deputy for an officer who could himself execute the duty. The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER replied, that a Depety 'Serjeant at Arms was indispensable. Certainly Ito one could say that the attendance in the House was too great, and he was sure that Hon. Gentlemen must recollect a no very distant occur rence, in which-great practical inconvenience was sustained from a want of sufficient attendance. . COMMITTEE ON CIVIL LIST. Mr. EDEN, however unwillingly, rose to move that he be discharged from his attendance on the Committee upon the Civil List. He had moved for the appermtment of that Committee in order that an investigation of great national importance might be entered into; bnt deprived as it was of the privilege of sending for persons, papers, and records, the powers of the Committee must necessarily be so crippled as to render it wholly inadequate to the ob jea for which he - had proposed it. • The Commit tee might. indulge in conteetureS, but could not form any well-fonnded opinion. It might feel regret at the expense of the'Civi List, and wish for its reduc tion, but it could not point out the cause of the expense, or suggest the means of reducing it. On these grounds, feeling confident tbat the- labours of the Committee must be useless, he moved that he be discharged from his attendance upon it. Mr. YORKE expressed his concern at the incon sistency of the Hon. Gentleman, who, because the House did not think proper to listen in every point to his advice, with respect to the formation of the Committee, which, nevertheless, originated in his own proposition, expressed his wish to be relieved from attendance on the Committee. He (Mr. Y.) had voted last night against granting the Committee - the privileges which the Hon. Gentleman desired, because he saw no reason- for departing from the precedent of 1804 on that subject. If, when the Committee met, they found the necessity of further powerS, it would be competent to them by their Cheirman to ask for those powers ; or- it would be competent to any individual of the. Committee, if he couN nut prevail on the Committee to accede to . his view of the subjea, himself to mak e to t h e House any proposition that he thought fitting.— Under these circumstances, he could not consent to release the Hon. Gentleman from the duties in which he had voluntarily engaged. Mr. HORNER defended his Hon. Friend from the charge of inconsistency. The Committee, consti tuted as it had been, would be unable to effect the objet which his Hon. Friend had in view in pro posing it. Although a ComMittee expressly on ac counts, was denied the privilege of sending . for a single person, paper, or record, to elucidate those accounts ! And this, notwithstanding the declare tion of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, during the discussion on the Household Bill, that if that Bill were not impeded in its progress, every oppor tunity should subsequently be afforded for pursuing any investigations that might be thought necessary. The observation of the Right Hon. Gentleman, who had just spoken, that if the Committee found their powers inadequate, they might come to the House fbr an extension of them, was idle. If the Corn tnittee proceeded in the spirit of his Hon. Friend's intention in proposing it, it could not sit five minutes without resolving on the necessity of sending for persons, papers, and records. As to the precedent of 1804, it might be erroneous, and ought not to be followed. Indeed, that it had been erroneous the result had shewn. Besides, the Commit tee ap pointed in 1804 was not to inquire into any circum stance of suspicion. Now the single purpose of his Hon. Friend's motion was the appointment of a Committee to inquire into circumstances, which, on t he face of the documents, appeared to be suspicious. He thought his Hon. Friend perfealy justified in wishing to be relieved from that which he felt to be an inefficient situation. Mr. BATHURST denied that a Committee sitting to investigate the inienecFate dornestio economy of the ,Sovereign, had never been vested with such powers as those required by the Hon. Gentleman', and which would enable them to examine every domestic servant of the Crown; than which nothing could be more indecorous. It would be much more tttitig that in the lust Instance the totiimifted aid .thi meet and receive any communications which the Crown might think proper to make. Shou:d those cornmunicatiOM be found inadequate to the pur t iose for which the Committee was constituted, that" would be the time for considering the proprieydof granting to the Cottunittee an extension of potter: • But even in that case on such a subject it would,be a que , iiion how far it might be. advisable to obtai4, that information by an Address to the Crown, ra ther than by any direct vote of the House. Mr. P. MoottE contended, that the coedua of the Hon. Member, wishing to be excused trbrn at tending the Committee, was perfeatly consistent. _ _ _ _ _ M'DoNALD -wished to know if the Right Hon. Gentleman would consent to an address to the Crown from the Commiltee, for any information which they might require. Mr. M. MONTAGU objeaed to the Motion, as one likely to be produative of great future iuconve nienee. The question was then put, and the Motion ne gatived without a division. Mr. BROUGHAM pOstponed•his Motion for a Com mittee on the Admiralty Droits which stood for Friday, to Tuesday next. EDINgURGII. . . .CRALIF / URD AND 23 ttADLEir FOR FORGERY. The foiloving,i, a sketch of the circumstances of the caie. Stime time after .the death of the late Earl of Craufurd; ,the prisoner, John. Lindsay Craufurd, supposing that a relation of the hue Earl had, lived. as ste , .vard at Castle Dawson; thought that if he could !)roi'e a propinquity to him, he might by that means obtain the Earldotn, and certain estates in Ayrsb;re; and for this purpose he repaired to birnie, in Ayrshiie„ and, in the hands of a descen. daut of a former fat - tor, he found certain lease 4 and . old letters.. These were transmitted bk, a,trUsty messenger to Bradley, who, with the as sistance of Fanning (CrJufurd's two asiociates);' deleted certain passages in the letters, and subset= toted something relative to this James Craufurd; and for the names of some of the witnesses, wtre also deleted, that of Craufurd Was likewise substituted. Tne singular ingeriniT di.played in thesealfera lions, struck every one who had access to see the papers, the h2nd-writing and colour of the ink being not only most , successfully imitated, but the fabric of the paper, though old and worn, was preserved entire and uninjured. The papers had, in fatr:t„ sb much the appearance of genuine deeds, that the deception Was in part completelY successful. At this juttaure, Fanning, to whose dexterity his as= s ciates were indebted for the success of their plans, wined King's evidence; and having made a decla.; ration before the Sheriff, intimated to Craufurd's agent the whole of the circumstances: In conse quence of F.tri&ng's information, Bradley and Crau turd were soon after apprehended, and the declara tion emitted by Bradley opened a scene of the most deliberate fraud. Several witnesses were called in corroboration of the declarations ;• and the exculpatory evidence only proved the good charaaer of the prisoners previous to this transaction, and the bad character of Fanning the witness, on whose evidence they were convid ed. The point chiefly insisted on by the prisoners Counsel was, that as no' patrimoni,d interest was affected, no crime was committed. The. Jury returned a verdict of Guilty. The prisoners were sentenced to fourteen years banish. merit. On Monday evening, the Lady of Major Hodg- son, of Moorhouse, near Carlisle, on entering one of the apartments, discovered a ! fellow w,ho bad concealed himself under a table. .She immediately ran out to call for assistance--in the mean tittle he rushed -past her, and made his escape. There can be no doubt that the fellow had endeavoured to secrete himself for the purpose of plundering the house while the family were asleep. On Monday morning last, as Captain Campbell, of the Tremendous, was passing over the Bridge, in his boar, with a midshipman, and eight men, a heavy sea suddenly struck and overset her, by 'which uniurtunate incident three valuable sailors, James Stewart, Samuel Muckford, and William Weeks, were lost-to the service of their country. Capt. C. with the remainder of the crew, "very narrowly escaped a similar fate ; but the "accident being a 1... most immediately perceived from the Bulwark, boats were sent off to their assistance, and the lives of Captain C. the Midshipman, and five men, after struggling nearly three quarters of an hour in the water, sometimes holding by the boat," and at other times forced by the waves to abandon their hold,. were happily saved.—Dock Telegraph. • PREFERMENTS. The Rev. G. Kent, B.A. to the perpetual Curacy of Hor sham St. Faith's, and the Vicarage of Horsham, Nurfoik ; pa tron, Lord Viscount Ranelagh. The Kev.• W. Stabback, to the vicarage of St. Saucreed, Cornwall, void by the (eith of the Rev. George render Scobell ; patrons, the Dean and Chapter of Exeter. R. Beadori, Esq. M.A. appointed ro succeed the late Bishop of Oxford, as Chancellor of the Dio cese of Bath and Wells. BIRTHS, Yesterday, Lady Ellenborough, of a Daughter. On the loth inst. in Nottingham.place, the Lady of Gut Lenox Prendergast, Esq. of the 11,ast-India Company' s Bom bay Civil Establishment, ()la Son. On Monday last, the Lady of loseph Ti m p eron, E sq. o f Upper Har;ey-street, of a Son. -• 111ARkIED. On the 2301 0610ber last, ' ia MC island Of Jamaica, ham Stirling, Esq. second son of John,Stirling, Esq. of Kippendavie, to Misa Elizabeth Barrett, only child of the late Henry Barrett, Esq. On Friday last, at Ifaselitirch, in the County of Satrap, Robert Aglionby Slany,-Esq. of Hatton Grange, to Miss Mucicieston, of Watford, daughter of the late Dr. Muckla.s.. ton, and niece of Joseph Muckiest-On, Esq. of Pirescot, .1* thesaid County.• On Monday the loth inst. at St. Mary-le.bonne Chumll, Edward Burgess, Esq. to Mary, daught er o f Isaac ituttco, Lsn. The same day, John Lyon, Esq. of Batton- Howe, Dur ham, to Ann, -second daughter of Barrington Price, Esq. of Sparsholt-House, Berks. Dal). • , Orr the 3oth ult. suddenly, in his chair, - Mr. Tobias Da vi;,s, one of the . Body Corporate or Leominster. On the , 3 ist ult..at Penpound-House, Abergavenny, ti residence of her grandmother, the I)owr.zer• Lady Harrink tun, Miss Williams, the only daughter of Mrs. Cave, of Ex mouth, and grand-daughter of the.late Sir lames Harrington, ban. On Friday the 31st ult. at oath, Mrs. Woodis, mother of Admirals Sir Edward l'cllcw and Israel l'ellew. On Thursday evening last, ai hoer hbuse in Upper Charles street, Northampton-square, Mrs,: Gibbons, wite ot the late Mr. Sills. Gibbons, of Sittinghourne, Kent. On Sa4unlay„ Mr-. George Teggin, of the Yacht Inn, Chester. On the gth inst. at his chambers in the Temple,• Thomas Bolton, Esq. of West Humble Cottage, near Dorking, On the loth inst. Mary,. the daughter of Mr. Clarance, of Whitechapel, aged 19. At Rhai•ader, - I(adilorshire, aged tcco, Mrs. Price, mother of 104;4 Price, Esq. of Weymouth-House, Nlrs. Swirmerton, relict of the late T. Swinnerton, Esq. 'of Ncivcastie.- • Lately, aged ;6, Elizabeth, youngest daughter of - Basil Fitzherbert, Llsq. of Swinnerton-Hall,,Staff6rdshire. PRICE. STOCKS YEST , • R. 4 A Y . . . Bank Stock, 2314 1 India Stock, iSo i 151 Navy s per Lem 9 3 igi India Bonds, .7s:l s. 16s. pr. I rish s per Cent. New Ann. 4 pert:Cilt. 78 iii - Exchey. Bills, res. 135.: rs- 3 per Cent. i.eti..62-; 63 62 i ros. pr. 3 per Cent. Cots. 6z A i 4 § Uranium, II dis. 13 - ank L. Ann. 16 s.:6Ensi Cons. for z7th Feb. 62 tltii i HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-MOR- ROW Morning, 35 min. after a. Evening. a min. After 3• BUSHY l'A'itK Mr. ORD wished to know it the Right Honour able Gentleman opposite, could give him any init,r mation •sart the subject to which he had called his attention in the course of the week, namely, the proceedings at Bushy Park-? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER bad lost no time in giving dire Lions for an inquiry to be made. A report on the subject had not yet been made to the Treasury ; it was not, however, in his power to do mote than to give orders on the very next morning fur an inquiry. He understood the trees, though lopped, so as to impair their beauty at present, were lopped with a view of improving their future appearance: Mr. ORD thought, if the Right Hon. Gentleman would takd' a two hours ride to the spot, he would change his opinion. The Pilots' Bill was read a second time, and com mitted for Thursday se'unight. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought in a B:11 to repeal the Att for regulating the Otlice of Serjeant at Aims, &c.--Read a first; and ordered to be ,read a second titne on Thursday,, and to be printed. _ The Naval Stores Embezzlement Bill was read a third time and passed.--7-Adjourned. My. truly original and beautiful Ro mance lately published, calle The Milesian chief, has furnished a celebrated Dramatist with the sub jea of a new opera, which is in a state of great for wardness. The Post-Office Clerks, Sorters, and Lett&iCar riers, expect to work double tides this week, in consequence of VA L ENTI NE'S - DAY falling.on Friday, and the multitude of Commissions likely to arrive from all parts of the kingdom for Tickets and Snares in so unprecedented a Liitte Lottery.Scherne, with 20,0001 Prizes as that which will he drawn on TUESDAY Next. A laughable circumstance occurred at the Opera House a . few evenings since :—The Honourable Mrs. H-- C—, in the confusion that takes place in the Lobby, on quitting the Theatre, dropped her ridicule, and was some minutes before she re gained it ; when, in looking at its contents, she ex- : claimed, " I have lost my DUPLICATES !" This created surprise, not that the Company bad any. doubt when the Lady pledged her word, but they thought she had pledged her jewels, However, on inquiry, it turned out that the lost Duplicates were Two Tickets of one number (which she had pur chased that evening) in the. Lottery to be drawn the NEXT TUESDAY : luckily she .soon after found them, and anticipates getting 40,0001. by them. A most daring and singular attempt to rob the public-house, situate at the Toll-gate, called Pease- Pottage-gate, on the Cuckfield road to London, and about 23 miles from hence, we hear, was made in the night of Wednesday last. Towards the evening of that day, a person, decently attired as a female, applied at the above house for refreshments and a bed, both of which were obtaineo. Soon after she retired to, the latter, the m a id o f t h e house-hinted her suspicions to her master, that the. -stcanger she had lighted up stairs was a man disguised in wo man'S clothes; and if so, that the entrance he had, gained into the house could not have been effetted for any laudable purpose. After much had been said on the subje&, three or four persons who hap pened to be drinking in the house, made an offer of sitting up all night in the tap-room, in the dark, to countera& any bad design that ,might have been concerted against aught within the premises. This offer was accepted, and the landlord, &c. as ad vised, soon after retired to bed likewise, that no suspicion of what was decided upon should reach the stranger above stairs. The house had been quiet for some time; but, at length,. the ,sound of foot steps, as of some-person cautiously descending the stairs, was heard by those below, and some one, soon after, from within, made an essay to open the front door, but that was not to be effeeted, as the landlord had wisely taken the key from the lock be foie lie ascended to his chamber. The disappointed individual now sounded a whistle, and footsteps were distinetly heard from without. At this criti cal *Clore the party on the watch rushed forward, Secured the mysterious personage onithe inner-side of the door, and the suspicions of the house-maid were presently after confirmed. It is added, that the deteaed ruffian, after due examination by a Magistrate, has been fully committed for trial. In consequence of the.discovery by Humphreys, a few days since, of a gang of thieves parading Bond-street, and attempting to commit robberies, the parish of St. George have Offered a re ward'Of 101. for the apprehension of such characters---21. 10S. to be paid on their apprehension, and the remaining 71. los. to be paid -on their conviaion. Also a re ward of tel. on the convittion of persons lound with implements of house-breaking on them. This no doubt will art as a stinialus; as it' will pay offi cers for their time and expences. The parish of Christ Church, Surrey, has Offered, a reward for the appTehension of street-robbers, , and 51. for the apprehension of persons fonnd with implements of house-breaking in their possession. . , . LONDON : Printed by THOMAS WOOD, of No. 3s, Maiden-lane; Coverit.gardeft ; and Published by WIT LIAM A RMIGE R ,SCRI PPS, 'Sow Molt On-street, I.;rssveror.square, dt the * Sii Oirgic Ep No, 112, 'Stiaticl,' wiaere Advettitemontlii . 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