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was irrevocably secured; and if the present Government recognised this truth, he thought the sympathies ot"the country would carry ..teheut triumphantly through the next Parliament.—(Hear, heir.) Whether the present Government adopted this course or not he. took his stand as a liberal conservative free-trader.—(Cheers.) He proposed to give his support to any Administration based upon liberal..eonsereatiem, and he would support the present. Government until they attempted to rubvert • that policy which was ineugurated and subsequaoily carried by Sir Robert Peel, seed which had endeared his name in the affectionate recollection of hundreds of . thousands of the . people of ibis country. HP . verting to the subject from which he had thus digressed - he thought he had a right to ask the House ot Commons what was the reason ot their present moat extraordinary peace establishment. The drift of public affstre , did not exp'ain it. When Prince Schweiz u berg was at Vienna, his well-known enmity to E - gland might make precaution neeeesery, A ut he 3dealtfed that when the Noble Gard the 11..nber for Tiverton sounded the alarm, difficulties did ext-t, bat at the present Wu _ ment these difficulties ha i most materially diminished, and there was scarce left a ripple now on the muddy waters of Earopeen politics.—(Capers.) The o nl y plea for the increase of these military and naval esteblish. of sudden ineaden by the meats was the possibility troops threagh the me hum veep!) ;sewers transport of troo He asserted that this c.matry was IQ 4. p () repeat , the lesson of sae hid ever eiv in to all na tions that com peted with her. it , would like to know what was sudden invasiou? The Noble Lord the Nbrou ber for There n had ventured to best ogoieveta ii hemisLt,rti: welchin He said that they net to provide r might happen not st the end of six or eight menu's, but a d anger which might .arise in a fertnight or a menth. He asked him if he received intelligence that 100,000 Frenchmen were to bi-! landed in this country in a f. rt . night, would he believe it ?_.(Heir, hear)--or it he did, of what use where thus,. , gero s tit dtplomacy who had . been termed licen,erl spies, whose dutt it was to tnaintain • watchful eyes over the interests of ,his country ?It was impossible that the, necessary preparations cold eseepe . their viginnce. Bet-thete Wes another check. To his personal knowledge the .pres, of this country was sin gularly energetic in obtaining, and singularly correct in' its information. Before Government c .uld receive of ficial intimation of e n event t h e press had made it public. If the watchful eyes of the licensed spies were deceived, could the vigirance of the press be lulled. He thought it could not. However, there was a more sanative chain for communicating intelligence. He alluded to .... those commercial relations which bound nations more, together than thidiplomaetiof Cabinets or the intrigues of statesmen. The merchant at Odessa, at Marseilles, • or Manchester . , would soon obtain the required informs- - tion„ nor would he be backward in forwarding it to his Government. tie, was the last person who would wish to disown the advantages which accrued from a militia. All be meant to say was, that if there was any danger now, he would greatly prefer to see some 10.000 men added to the , regular army. He thought that the country would be thus more efficiently served, and with less disarrangement to the social economy of the nation. Then came that great .difficulty; a standing army impoverished the nations Sir H. Peel, upon-this subject, in 1841, said:—" What is the:advantage of increasing your establishments? other nations will follow your example, and you will obtain no real amount of advantage more than you now possess. By maintaining a standing army you are de priving peace of half its advantages, and extirpating the energies of war before occasion req Ares." He repeated, that he had no desire to deprecate the utility of militia men; from personal as well as historical information, he could not feel justified in so doing. He had himself seen, in the space of four weeks, an army of 100.000 !anted and torn from their domestic comforts to engage ' se, in battle at the call of their country. That strife was happily terminated, and he had seen them peacefully return to their domestic hearths. In the glowing pages . .of Micianlay they would find recorded the gallantry of the Somersetshire militiamen in the Monmoutb struggle, where they drove the enemy from the field, and only lost the victory from a want of ammunition. Lord Mahon, in his history of American independence, records the bra . Very of the Massachusetts militiamen, who gained the vic tory at Bunker's Hill; and Washington hail gained his brilliant reputation at the head of militiamen. Washing- Jun, first acquired his hrillient reputation at the head of militiamen in the Canadian war, aid obtained the success of Bunker's Hill with in n called out only for One yeare e -(Heer.) He made these observattons for the Purpose of showing that with his personal experience, and information derived f om historical resources, he was far from depreciating the value or efficiency of a militia s ole from the Ministerial benches) --eith this l c" dlf,renee, that he only considered them of value in countries where there was no standing army. Wnere rally there was a stan di ng army contenions aid s trif es gene exised between the regular sottier and the milt tiaa'sn, which it was very difficult, if net impossible, to quell.--(l3,ar, hear.) They had seen it in Spain, and fa) had een a mere marked instance in the struggle • • r the itd of Prtr•sia. Between 1813 and 1815 ern puce Ani'listit *fir was untver-a ly organized , and gre at 111051il• ens l l y 'xi:t w ed e between the hind wehr and the regular "ow a n drawback Heel .) Besides that there was one e ufawbeck to this sys em of embodying a militia toy" t Productive industry al of th ho e courrry rh .ri was timed directly it migh t " ! bY withdraw—wever ly be`hy the wi bdrawel, unless, itnrnin.nt danger ti. nb pending, 'if such a large number of men from • "'le done atie home. and the ordinary .vcupsti.l3B of life. -- o (Cheers f rom ,the Opposition.) It was for these rea a B i- 4 Cae"ing England in the happy enj ywent of the tees . e els of p rotound peace with all her neighbours, with every state, that he ventured to record Lis humble ?ejections to this Bill. In an economical point of view, ne . regr e t te d this vast expenditure of public money, Which circumstances did not justify nor political expe ?itioet necessitate.—(Hear, hear.) And be would re- JToe to see this Bill abandoned, which, under the altered cireuthstancss of Government, he considered would be se Perfectly justifiabl e — na y, h onoura bl e —t o h er Majesty's. from securing Fu r th ( r, h e m aintained that, tat ro le peace, it would have a direct tendency to leaps an d e • t hat they might rest assured the men whom it Was now proposed to embody would be not one iota less: 41)4 *, without these summer drills and preparatory exercises to respond with patriotic zeal to the call of their country wben needed...—(Cheers.) And be was • quite certain that if any foreign force should attempt to Pollute these sacred short sot England—if any attempt should be made with an invading army to ravage, fire, • and Pillage, one ruling cry would .re - echoahroughout every nook and corner of this island, one spirit would. -animate every British heart, and countless thousands on the southern coasts of England would demand enthu- Ifytstio homage as a nation of warriors called together in the most sacred cause—that of national independence.— , (Vehement cheering, followed by calls for a division.) • Colonel CLIATTERTON, as a military man, and in 11n1qitary point of view , begged to tiff -r a few observe-., . 0 . .us upon the matt er now un d er di scussion. He was quite aware of the diversity of opinion existing as to the expediency of augmenting the standing army, or erne bodying the regul ar m ili t i a. He was quite aware of the Unpopularit y o f the soldiery in this country , and also that Englishmen did not understand their value; and be trusted they never would acquire that knowledge by the dear. bo ug h t experience. of having a hostil e force in p o i session of any part of Our country. Ho vase quite c on- Vinced i that hi s Ri g h t Hon. Friend had exercised a sound d ecretiou in bringing forward his Bill, and it should boungvgeeheitsswarm support ; but in doing so he would beg to • „molt Ro u n iet , ementleuente ir the conideration of his bait Judging trim t h e exper i ence h e • the rieriee et tea, net a little, h e. was quite convamed period of tweet _ - . g was tar to.' haste d. I the short . indeed lea rn 4 -o gh days an E gli.tnean would tary duty. isT,.a, r ittti., if a , :ytaing, of [D . manufacturer had that the English peasant nor vice which was p it:Re seed hpitude for military eer ,.,` the continental natio ns , ,°Y the people of aim et ail recommend that thre e , 011 ` - '."„ ashould, therefore , beg to v b e . n n ta eve fo tta r t i .h ry e 6 to rs b t ri y n e g ar th o e f as the period ' of all feat, be fixed upon as that time would enrolment. recruit into anything He would . also recommend the sticidsrd te e 7.1 4/.la Pat else if it were continued at netsers to he raised, 'd . find there ... inches, he feared his RIO' T':Le'lvndhiz'T3 of 5 fait 5 gitnents (of the first l e vy, at lest) r sieluw tow, miserable, dissipated cre.it„„B, with ith , et of Manufacturing districts . boundad, woo., o , io , e vy t. which ~u r stamina, n or chatecter to rectimmeed thi un , t i r"; ( cgth, Unable to carry the heavy aecou,resseats of a . ty ()ur • Use with any effic th comb , us arm, with „ nh seh r infantry were encumbered. H b.ggeti to r th ese. suggestions for his It.ght Hon. Friend's considers, ~and he wo u ld also take leave to ask wtiatm.ezin! eb e I ntend+ d to adopt for the prceecien of the most • table part of her Mai-sty's deminiens, Ireland. H., • B ight Hon. Friend would doubtless carry in his recol 'not on that that. country had been thrice invaded by a • • foreign enemy, and no doubt would again upon the first 9 PPOrtuuity. At present ehe was quite in a_deleneeless army !tekte, with neither nor navy. As regarded t he latterof t h e city be had the the magnificent harbour , otter to represent had only one line-of-battle ship th • ere to a 58 screw steamer, with a crew euffis. Croat to man ' half her guns, . end so short-banded •-• sh e , i • not go to sea, He could not for a moment i magine his Right Honourable Friend could doubt the :Zl l ° 3!. ll lty of the Irish nation, or fear putting arms in their, ~thlt:ds in their own country; _ nor could he subscribe to • from the operation of this Bill was meent. as a panacea ajoen. a all nthe wounded feelin gs ' o f I re l an d at this excill' e rejoiced a; one advantage gained by this Bill, e i t ill ak e, l ,.7 s ,. doing away that most useless and expensive hro , a ut l ntnent, the militia staff. He ever thought it a 11 ,.•_ 1 3a extravagant waste of the public money; keeping it pe ti t l e, nucleus upon which to form the militia was a farce composed as it was of, • on eo . in general, old, fat, leag since officers, whose military ardour had dolouo evaporated—who would have to commence all drill, to enable them to teach others the newly ad e Pted milit ary syste.m, and even t h en they would most likely a ki s __ , er 3 , be ineffective. He begged he naiefit not •be „ ,• i ree thol stood; he did not intend : et/mit either slur or couereet!tion upon the militia; on the contrary , he ho e th e i r , n,ild respected that national force—h e h ad seen 4 ,11; e11 , u t ~!" 0 and k new their utility.-(Hear, hear.) Hi s ellonoure.blo Friend said, a few ev en i ngs ago, that S. eard that some militiamen were at the battle or e 4 ,s av erai in their militia uniforms. His R h tg t erie n a was perfectly correct, for ever since . the I) °•sd'alld • no, th e ht . wing the militia to volunteer into_ _the . • volis t e rtiit tter weie admirably supplied with excellent I§, e 4t the arm Re assured the House, in military parlance, ietite t erk hui,sreatly regretted those gallant men ar .‘(Pktitt and cr to be blouded" at that . glorious, hard. c ould hee e owniug victory_; where, no doubt,. they ~N equa l r oved that - the te x tan o tet very Ro e acting_ together, di.cipline to any of .our eus e ert He iloyed his Right H in. Friend would igeee. aria h e a t h e (itelenei etteert oo ) bd . ( ' s a c rusted the House rd him. tor oq Aptod 6 , • wou pa • . 3111114 'tt tkeir tune ' . giw.' 4 4.414 • 'a i f- I . ) T Ti SUN, Mr. P. II0W4B1) should support the motion of her Mijes.)'• Goveeorn ,Ile. had ,Suppcirtvd the w-a,ure o f the Noble L,ird late at the head of-the GOvernment, and in that remarkable division he was a follower of the now fallen blotter. The Noble Lords , having established the necessity of increasing the in ternal defencs of this country, the question for him to consider was, whether, because some modification in his measure hood been made, (ne. P. Howerd): should Ow be juatifiA in pursuing h . different course, and -voting against the mettaure ? „Ifs his.. opinion it was imposhible to do so With anything :like con sisteecy.—(Ctieers from the Ministerial benches.) Perhaps an increase of the regular army might be a more effec tive mode of providing for any danger, but it would be difii. , tilt, year after ) ear, t m.,intaito that ctrl sits en to our force. During the riots in Lord G. Guidon'. tone the safety of the metropolis ~ as ie;pg 1101, to the reeular army, bat in great measure to the ,Northonairerlatil miiiti a. lie a rattly to rest th e yeepensibility oethis, measure on the Execative Government, alai to incur any political odium to which hi: mi,411, be subjected for sup portimg the pe , s-nt ineasure.--(Hear, bear.) ' Sir J. PAICING rox thought that the course which the Hort, a M. t i ; ro r who hail lust eat down was. about to t'ke was by some whqh re , tAltsmni,d,tbtahttlint:.. rivalniiunee schemes up.,n the rp t ipr, the d.tf-reut obieetio as veriotis as the II imourable Gentbeei.n who he i made theb, to the measure of the. Government, hi? had been greedy struck , and gr.itifi-d by the fact that no gentleente hail attem etea to gr ippie with that proposition urged in such remarkable by the Dake if Welling • in in 1547, and adveveit to by his Hen. Fiend honied him (Ur. Newilegate)-, which had been urg d by the. Noble Lod at. the heal il b fl y i Gl the lace 'iverionent, si,d was now pressed rir that the defelvies of thus e th o e un pr r e y se air,it,!l.,tst,,,.tlye.tvi iz,s; coramon pludeece they ou e bt to be. —(Cheers;) ~ After the "speech of the Eton. Baronet (Sro H. Peel) he dui n , t tin ow how tar he might coesider hi,n ion e.iteep ion to this rule. Bur he must look to the hige alitreitiry of the Disk..? of Welling ton at that upon which he mist. mere yeig - t thee upon the opinion 0 , the' lion Baronet on this que-lion; and lookeig to the slate ef E tr. p , and the defences of this country, he thought we were in policy and prudence bound to take . care that thedefeuces of this country were more satisfactory than they were now,—(Cheer..) There appeared to prevail among the leading politic.atis a general opinion that the most canstitutional and best mode of providing these defences was iu some way or other by the old and approved plan of a militia foroo.— tHear,) TO the 'spsech of the Honourable 'Member for Leominster (VII.. F. Peel) he owned he,,bad.liitened with verygre at surprise.-(Eitj or, and Ministerial patoers.) Tnat Ron. Gentleliaa was e a member of the late .tio vernment. He was one o f thoie who sat on the _Tres sury benches when the Noble Lord opposite (Lord J: Russell) urged, in teropg and just language, that to which the members of the present Government took no exception. He was bound. to auppose that the Hon. Member then thought 'with the Government,, and that he was prepared to support them by his vote. Yet, it now appeared that the Hon. Gentleman was opp ailed to the very principle of a, Militia Bill.—(Cheers from the Ministerial benches.) The Hon. Member for Richmond (Mr. Rich) was now prepared to vote for reading the Bill a second time that day six mouths; yet he also was a member of the late Government, and was, he must suppose, also prepared to vete on that occasion.— (()heers.) This showed the effect of good. discipline, that those Hon. M'stribers should be prepared to support the late Government although they now opposed the Militia Bill.—(A laugh.) Tne Honoureble Meinber for Richmond said that one of the ohji,cticins to this Bill was that it would interfere with the industrious habits of the country. He (Sir J. Pekington) took the strongest objections to this mode of stating the. clues-, don. The first dilty Of every Citizen of the Sta'e was to take care of the prtreetioto of property in it.—(Hear, hear.) By the Milt is Bill this protection was proposed to be given upon i helairest terms, and if they looked to European cinwries and to the United States, where the rights and habits of freedom and industry prevailed to as great an extent as in sny other country, they would find there the most stringent militia law.--(lleNr.) The Hon. and Gallant Memoer for Weattnineter (Sir D. L. Evans) did not assert that the defences of the gauntry were what they ought to be, arid it was not upon such paltry points as he urged that the broad question of im proving the defences of our common country was to be placed. It was said we might etr ,, e4t h eu our &f ences by recoiling our troops from the colonies. But hi hoped that this view would not he teken the /Louse, that because we were weak in one part of the empire, we were to weaken the more distant parts of the empire. —(lies, hear.) The Honourable Member for Re •h began his argument with a view which he was surprised should proceed from a Menster proressing Vpular opinions. He said the House ought to be litraid of putting arms in the heeds of the militia; that d .nger of riot'and disturbance might arise, and. that then we should be sore to haie Intrustei the militia with arms. Now, he had no Buell feArs.—(C'helrs.) He believed . there. was no groued for such apprehen sions; nor e•allci he suhsoribe to the Elln. M enb.ir'e other ohj -shoos, that if Parlietnenc pease(' this I.w and embodied the militia they w gild encourage drunken and tail babiis among a loose and debanetted perciiin of the people. I. Wei impossible to say what class of voluti seers might join and eike the b iunty, and we might hive people of greater reep-otabi:icy thin the Hon Member :seep , sed. But, if it wi re otherwise, were n a the beer-houses open to these persona now, and would habits of military discipline make them worse nit e.ae, and subjects than they were at present? --(II AO He did not uederstend that the Hon. Member for MAD cheater was against a militia Bill, but wile that be wished to pastporie it until next session of Parliament —(A. laugh.) But the nonce he had read with the must surprise was that of the Honourable M ,03 - ber for Westbury (Mr. Wilson), who said it was better to ma k e an addition'to the resit lar army than to embody the militia. When he read the Hon. Member's notice 'his could not help picturing to himself the reception which' a proposition for adding 10 000 or 20,000 men to the standing army, if . made by the. Government, Would have experienced from Hon. Gentlemen opposite—not excepting, the Hon. Member for We s tb ury hinasele.....e (Cheers' and laughter.) Oompared to an addition to tho standing army the em bodiment of. the militia possessed many advantages. In the first place, the country obtained the services of 80 000 or 100 . 000 militiamen for the same outlay which would make an addition of only 10,000 to the regular army. . Then, again, the militia, when not embodied, cost the country nothing. Thy Noble Gird the Member for Ti. verton had also referred to another reason for preferring a militia force to an augmentatbn of the army, namely, that when a'portion of the army was disbanded it could not be recalled. while the militia could al ways be ap pealed to in case of emergency.—(flear, hear.) Past experience also proved that the ,most expeditious and efficacious modes. of 'adding to the army, in case of need, was by draughting from the militia men already accustomed to military discipline. The House bad bole ou the present opott , ion, been fevoured with the views of the Hon. Member for the.! West Riding and the Peace party, who believed that the' autism of armies could be supCrseded by arbitiation. ['bough he could not concur in the opinions eocerteined by those gentlemen, he nevertheless cows under tan i how they could con .istently oevse the proposition, of the Government, or any other plan for iuereasiu ou. military establishineete; but when the proposal of th. (overuses wie , bjeet el to by p. , r:.oni who, 11.3 the lion, aed Gallant alemeer fir Westminster, atiiniettie that our oft - kraal defences ought to be strengthened, the House was entitled to expect, some better arguments Ili suppurt of the objection than any ..hich had been off-red in the course of the discussi in.—(Mea%) The plate of the Government was more free hem objeetion than any other that hail been sueizeited. The Noble Lord oppo site (Lord J, Russell) hid, on more than 411 W oecaiion, propueed the embodiment of , he militia. He props -d .1c first, iu 1848, when, as was understood, he was in duced to abandon it from finincial considerations. The Noble Lord then stated, in the most explicit terms, his opinion as to the importance of embodying the militia. In the course of the pre,eist session the Noble L eil again propos. d the same mea-ure, and met with no opposition from the party wi h whim he (sir J. Pakington) acted. A. difference of °pita in arose as to whether the militia eheuld be general or toed, but to the proposition for the ertindimont : f a militia -n., oppaition w:ia : { ''red.—(Heir, heir.) 11,r M j.st)'s G iverment c .n -fliently neoev-d lbw. under their plan volunreers !viols! be tsis ewer . us i b at it , voult be unnecessary to resort ttithehall .t, except, perhaps, to a limited ,xtent. This .t•..«,rernerit had framed their p!ttee with th , l view of „ tne r f t: :; s e i tt ht i o t na i g u : n t : h : .:_ r. i i . l 4: tt t ie e (in n , c wi e ,: s :h oL t hi mt.,: leaste, . f co ff ut,trury4 poss i ble any n n sd t h .,:r e epir m : : o il : : ra to tho :aar n. hy eetwria:cti had 1 3 : 1 , 1 , , g h t e ibz t d r i t : 4 4 nor the indu,tri4 pus-nits of the country, — (lisle, tr, he "PP , aitio g i ' in ''n's w"rf , morecti worthy of the House and the suhjeOt trusted that it would rest on era slusy to the counr: r e ;t :eni':::go'ft.i.' . Government we The IM-meers of site calculated having discharged their fof t, measure which they be ing this measure forward. . upon them, t ) hey ik h ,d t in..,11,..e r- the responstbdity imposed lieved to be best iniceit defenceless iselrttlee the Object in view, and it now remained fo liff.mti " t responsibility of Heuse to decide' . whether th i e t c w o t u ru e l t d r . y ta leaving the present state Of 'affairs on the con a_ u s e t n e t in 'the face of (Hear, hear.) For his own part b a • :; ould t ir i ) i f ,t. Europe. 'don which he had the henoue to ncatipi:.._ post .. 'of .ne in the responsibilityfn 1 et abstaining from urgthe g the ad op . 'on. of this measure on the flouse.—(ab eere) lion Lord J. RUSSELL-:—lfrr were' one of these 'who think that the country requires no additional defences', I iy to consent to the second read should.probahly be rea . ( ' f :this Bill. I ilig,o . might ray . that' although the' ' - tnea. required — although it would cause a waste alire was not great mischief can anise from it, of money, yet as no had brought it forward on their and as the Government b. Billing 'that it a ou h Id be read a responsibility, I was ' second.time; but it is because I feel that the country I think that its de-, requires further defenees--because . organized than they now are, &noes ought to be better .. ~.... ,_ Bill. that I cannot consent to the second reading or this ued" for —(Loud cries of " Oh, oh,". and laughter contin _. be. ground that I some Vme.) I oppose the Bill on the lieve it wo u ld prove, as a measu r e o f d e fence, an utter' _ delusion—b ecsuse I am conv i nce d t hat we Should find a. the end of •a year or t wo that it had utterly failed to give any seouriy to the country.—(Hear.) I object to the Bill for the same 'leaden which would induce me to object to putting into the hands 'of infantry muskets vvnich would burst, or into the hand. of cavalry sw.,rde which would break. I ohj et to the Bill, because it is .doing mischief to persuade PJ r li a i nent an d the count!), that. you are providing for the defame) of 'the conn• try. when, in firs, yen are net - doing so. I must beg tne Heuse to listen to RIO w 6 11.., I state weat I couceive• to be the danger —to. be encountered, and what- 1 5 . w an ti n g for that purpeie in ' this present T lealiure . ' ia49.net wll3l lP 4M itAiNtlLUP 2 44l2‘ihole;o4lo-: talOgiuripprelleaota of to suddeil mini iu *is i country of 50,000 hottile - troopein;6 Ont. ) ei tt ne and of I should wish to keep whatermy he had at no great dice entirely Marchine up-iefeinibietwithoutnottce. ' Tirsp I,4nce frfixi tits capital,: and ais anti •from one SoutheetrAtattet. are notions which are fouteltdtopon panic rethen'tlian en would it bp s e t a oteet e te . te e bo cet 10,0e0 or 12.000 ;nen • rea.sonable calculation. - . I proceed only on th e egr oen d, , otehiacherecttaainorder to oppose a ,t'o'rtet'disciplithid.. that we have near us a' powerful nation'. with which tic in the I a highest. dpgree e who had bean in Algeria's in the' have engaged in war four times during the last., ce i l tary, 1 acte'll-Practice.-of war and under an able commander, e be t rep ared to ati .' cause. he wished to ' obtain poeteSsienof our Afiriet;Cent them ?. (IT About a venturer- go we wenteto war with It rane e P -7 entore).:. I believe you will be totally deceived .colonies. Aheut 20 .years later we • again eneaged - in it yeu eapnet good service from such men. It would be drawn for the serviee, , s.httault army that bey be. brought before war with Fraece•beeimileshrewes disposed to dieend our quite : a digarentAing fly oh h a d the men whette4epre't' American pessessions which heerdeelered.themselves in- , posed !).Y clOr Dille -meta of a very • different charatiteie F de r p s e u n d r be nt c o a t s u e s.2 m n 0 1 e 7 r 9 s t y w p e r t:ni v c a e il tn d o i r n e t W4n e t t o o n!. W ttr a y r , w a i n t a h ' aett l6l ill t/ '..t-eir:different places of abode: and . who; when w because withered the spreading of the repu hiicen Spirit of . arv,ive „„4 sp i riti ,... cu - e:r, lulu up r sn it with a proper ut then, ,there, iv conquest. ' Iu 1804 we engaged itihostili , .les with Pr once' kir!. , t her pert o t ;h e _Bei, which conteins theltellof. I faecal's° she was then .subjeetenap-awerful and depaiic, stl'eulj say of the,'llatae et ir, ctrisitte of two parts, ono ut r; Savereiga, and we *heeded the spirit of cenqtreet under- hi , of wi-oeh is intlfuient, and dee other o ressivee.e (11e* sway. I cannot believer th et national fueling has so much lreir.) All the begineing.pert, which pp offers this theney chaeged, that the pas ions 01 people -are sol,tnuc:h al- , let•-d re c/ for bea n y, or, 2s, 61 a - me nth for volunteer;, a , t o . leave .- no probatrirry - of a war areene tinwhieh yo u m i ght get a 'pauper. militia, is certainly between the two countries. Ti the qlestien artr•eae- 0.1 ‘PPrvA l i ve , b ut would he inefficient. But when you What* will-you de to Protect' t eureslf against itivetton, in etnne to the other. part.of the Bill-to the ballotymi the event of. hostilities occurring? "Thom who look fo•' lh,ee then a ballot. Comprehending persons from;18 to. the history. of former wars will find that they occurred . 35 years hi' age, Which wou ld th e re f o re interfere with more than once, at a tiinewhen we were ill-prepared tor persons engaged in all the various occupations - of the hostilities, when our_ tevel and military eatetfle , htn tutt c ' , IOU, anti whteaetakes the married' men who are were at• an -exceedngly law points, and that it wee net elr fifty siefees,ful in, that way of life in whit b they are until the second. or third 'year of the war that ae w , re , ;killed.--- : (Great lauehter'.s Yee;ease of 0 e able to make any • great elf ir s tigehist tai. energy with wet ver, for toeteece, or an y et h er man .who'has sonv. whom we had to:et:lntend; If see ex.eniiie what: ti:4'ber ti skill in the Indus:Hoes arts, you take him from his ne T g•Ang on in the world of lam yeers, lam itafreid, we ceptrien and at tal him to serve for five years as a. !nallat, Ottn to the tr=naltaston that the arty of witr - 'likee‘.ll sold•er, and therthy it 11 C t a very g reat' hardship on as. those of peaceheir • been much improved; an -- and it is him - (11-ar, helm.) -N,, man can well deny that to he °Alien of .all prteeasiohel Amen that th-•i operation. take a Alan of 30, 3 2 , or Siat years of age, who is alteady of tin armed torce would It trt-respe , -dy and destructive settled • and prosp ee i n e . prospering hi life,' and to toil him that fine than they were: tom rte. ,If that be t he ease, It will not he next five y e .ar-a lie. OhOnfd be a soldier, was a great be satfictent to refer oo the ref' hauces which in:etfi-tenee..wiiii the- ordinary occupttions of life; and.. have - haberto . seved 'this calvary from L i velier). Sething but the. "greateat etnereeney ,could justify you Steam n.:)w triu-ninel • over - the elements. -I do in se acting., I so cnhytnetid of this, that lam per ot wish to exiggerate the tot in .which an eutdtd, tis I ttar el at • the commencement, that you will invasion might assume. 'retire ' might ,be 6,000, net have tried your measure fora year Without finding 10,0013., or 15,000 .m re landing fr,-, 0 st ,e thm , r , at, that the country - will r esi st such needless oppression and= some part or - the • d elft, and, at the' Fenn time, ehla t e Ole Parili , nant, by their o rir t ionatrances to repeal there might be fear or five eteaineri. landlng more forces it.-(Hear, hear.) I• --3.,a now. telking in reference to at another part of , be-e nutty.., Then the qu ationtoc- the bontiogeney which •I think must likely to happen; curs et What :orce have we to me,t such in invAiee?" that though' you , might h ave a great dea l 'of mune) And the answer must be -though my Hon. and Gthatat to Fps,- P, and ' though, possibly, you might pay Fiend near me'seeins' t t think that our force is meta ' 300 0004 in the. W . aY.. of • beunt y. in the present greater than I estimate it-that we have not a sufficient year Tfor. 50,900 men, y e t , i n, • the , next year, you free to meet the circumstances of the tease,-(11 at )" a outd ' fitil that you would not have :a force of 80,000 It severs that we • heve,• including 'the Guards, but men, which you but expect; h would be obliged to have 24.000 iufaniry in Great Britain, and 17,000 in Ireland, recourse to the ballot .to suppl e the numbers. - These, in all 41.000. As to •brinelog over these 17,000 troops ' therefore, are reasons which induce me to think that the from Ireland.- I think-any Exeeutive-Gavernment would . present Bid is very improperly frees ed for, its purpo,:es; hardly venture on such a meaturta.se , ing that, if 'there and I'am the more iectined to say so because almost was an invasion of. this country, ,no [ling would be mere every one of the propositions in the .Bill are proposition: likely than that law ful& he followed very soon 'by an in- rip'pertaining to the old militia, which the late Govern vesion of Itedand, also-(ftear.) - • Ti. do tio Wouid be 'ment•considered and deliberated on, and deliberately re-. taking a moat iMprovident oeurse, anal one which would' jected..(Hear, hear.) They felt' the objections `I have probably be attended,- with vary calamitous- results. - I• ?tilted, and they.felt that they would be so great and so must come. then, to the aoecittst''b tnat the 24 , 000 in overwhelming when represented.in this House, that the fantry in Great Britain and the 17,000 • infantry in Ire- Governmeot would not be able to defend such a measure. land, with a force not very considerable of cavalry, is not Therefore thelete Government refused to bring for sufficieht to meet Ate evil with which we have to contend; ward a measure of hat kind, The present Government. litre I must, at the hez irti of ' Wearying the . Rouse on however, somewhat thoughtlessly, and without entering that Subject, refer to the Measure ' which the late Go- inta the consideration of all the circumstances I have vernment proposed, with the view of providing the - referred to, 'and without eefltc:ion, have 'adopted all means of ,additional defence. Tne Right Hon. Gentleman those - propositions. 4 question, and a very serious one: who ep .ke.. last, as well as some . others who piet then occurs, and it is..this: - Supposin g it be true as I ceded him, seemed to be in *tome doubt -as to the cha- say, that we cann ot be exemp t sfrom the dangeteof 'wart racter of that measure, saying at one time tbaathere wa s a nd if war arises that we cannot have the same provi but little difference between that measure and the pre- sions to meet it as we formerly, have lad-supposing sent-though if it be so, I may ask how•was it' that they smite:force should .be required for the defence of ' the would not allow the late. Government to introdnce their country (arid this meant° does net . give you the pros- B 11, there being- so alight a difftrence between them.-e- peck of such a force), what is the course which' this (Elear, hear.) Or 4if they lake the other side ,and say 1-1 ,use ought to pursue?. I say, in the first place, that there is a difference - of prineiple-which is indeed the the matter is no doubt one for the consideration of the fact-between this theittorteand the one . which we were Governmeht. la t etiuld not de, as the Right Hon. Gen prepared to•ituroduct, then how can they obj•ct to our tlemen who last spoke seemed to imply, if the. House re viewing their measure ; with as: much repughadde as they jetted this particular. !mature, with a ll the particular received ours?-(Bear, hear.) New, inconsidering this clauses, objectionable as they ere --it would not do 'fiii measure which Loroposed to introduce, it seemed to me; t'-e Government then to Any that, therefore, this House and to those who approved of it, that ther., a r e (4 , -,, 11)3 does not care for the defence of the ceuntry.-a.(Hear. in which men may become very - good soldiers arid fit to heor.) Itis the bionden duty of the Ministers of 0( 1 defend their otuntry. The one .is when men otingh Crown either to produee a measure which t h ey t hi n k spirit end °tweeter, moved by some s tr ong r el ig i ous or sufficient for the'defeeee of the country, or teke the political feeling, or :excited by this love' of their country,' conrse ivhich I took, and gay, " We will no longer con or by any danger eini•iently threatening their ceuntry, tinee at 'the head of the affairs of the nati9n.-(a. Hear," are induceddo•nee 'are seldittre. •Of tb-it deecription ot and laughter.) 'wet e l' knoW that is not the course men was the force which - Crnmareil, wish his usual ea- which the preeent . Government :mean to adopt. 'The gicity and knowlefge of mankind. raised and corn- N'Oblkt L - ird at the bead of the Government said that he mended himself,. and which he brought to a state of dist wait eitling to eueh tnit to any humiliation, to any degree cipliae that enabled him to deteat the bravest and mist of affront and -mortification - ('' No. no")-to any degree' spirited cavaliers of the royal e,„,-(Hear, hear.) of mortifittation--wather .thatt advise the dissolution of. Such a force wee the 400,000 wen who at ,he beginning Parliement sooner. than he thooght necessary.-(HearS of this century started up as Voluttteerg to defend this hear.) That is what the Nooh , Lord stated. lam going. island against what they bell• ved aveuld he .t.he if .v,.. 'to mike an irifeitenee- . -my own-that he le to weemble airin ot a despet who woold destrc l our in,l , pendene,4.-- Parliament again in 0 toher. and until that Perlis (Moir, hear.) .0i such a sleFcriatien ef f ece were h .se , meat was assembled he would not think of resign at ho of late years, in Hungary, ( o ,o lr , in defence to teeir 'rig' his present aitratiou. In short, the present, country wheu they were at.teekod by the whele force Of slinister e ere like ph : doh:its' not to be killed until after Ainarie, and Rue is. -(dear, hear.) But 't• ere it the-Ist o.- •Oettibtr.-(Great "aught-a) That is their mother mode in which our soldiers have u.ull'y betel positi on; an d ho vote.o f this HoUse..can affect their offit rain: d, and cur army cotistruoted oind that rocs& is by eisi St7uations. Iten, I sayahat they cannot get rid of t raking youne met, of unsettled dispositions. who have • the other obligation to propose such measure; to the ,a love of military adventure, who have net perhaps tioy ifiuie as they think necessary for the defence of the decided cheracter,•but who, by military cliscipine. and kingdom. They'can hardly say that the present means habits Of sudordicstione, are brought to be excellent for the defence of the nation are ample and sufficient, toldi-rs anti ready to ptrform the grsatest feats of arms. arid they are therefire bound to declare, after what they -(Flear,hear.) With respect to this latter description have stated, if this measure does not suit the House, of character we have s enit en'ormation from en entho- that they have other measures by which the country can rity who has .been qeeted.to-night, and whose wores.l be adequately defended. In respect to the little I have will lay bet ire the House.. Washington says ot men to &ley, I speak, of c nurse,. only as an individual Member, like thecae:- • - t without the sanctien of any one but•mytelf ; but, for my "It t.lo•b; you two or three months to thing new men own part. I should, not recommend-the Government to acquainted with their duty; it, takes a longer time to mak , • a large increase to the standing army.-(blear, b iti n g a people of the teulper and genius of these into hear.) I do, hOWevi;r; think that' there are other Mee • such a tabordiaate way of thinking as is necessary for a cures, partly seggested this evening, by which a much soldier:' . - . . larger Cave might 'be engaged for the defence of the And again, "To bring then to a proper degree of sober- country than exists at present. I think a much larger diustiou is not t h e work of a day, a month, or even a force _might be obtathat in tithe from a proper organi-s year."-(11-ar, beer.) To the same if ot in one elf Mr. eetion of the pensioners. That was dwelt on - by my Pitt's s p eec hes at. the cem'nencsment of this century, we Honourable Friend who spoke-early in the debate. Sup• find him sating that; six - weeks or, two months i s th e po s in g that the House has rejected the present Bill, and 'zest that any military men riapiret to make a s.dstier. that the Government ' will not-propose that plan of mi.. Now, these being the different ways in which a .Idlers are liiia which I sketched out at the commencemtnt of the Matte; our Bill went on the principle of taking men of seetion (for, if that plan was pratiostd, I 'should spirit, sec' of independent charecter, and asking them give rt,my support; from -whatever quarter it :night pro.; without any bounty o become. part of the militia force °rod e os-being the best measure) I then have ti consider 'if the c o u n tey.- t (Elear, beer.) . But as this kind of .ser- whet: other-measures 'shOuld be adopted: I shotild say . vice is a very,great hardship on the consenu n ity,, e est en ,that you cannot for .some peva Obtain a sufficient force it as you will, seeing that .it diverts men from est* i eetistoneret even by itiviag a discharge with a pension the walks of induvry, w e , endeavoured .to tem. to thote soldiers- who• have served foottern or fifteen per its conditions with every soft. of alleviation that, years;: and Lebould -say it would be advisable to have a we could devise. In the first place, we said we will force of tome 10,000 or 12,000 . embodied militia.' The not take married men-we will not take men from , p resen t Bill i s no t a measure for embodying militia ex 'the 'age of 25 .to 35, roost of them , married mod c e pt in case of war or imminentdanger thereat but if settled in life-but We will take.young men from 20 t o you h ad 10,000 or 12,000 embodied militia in Great 21 years of age For the, first year we proposed to take Britain asad Ireland, 'drilled 'end diseiplitied, then you ' men from 20 to 23, but afterwards those only from 2. army.: oto have a force as setikeatiletfor th e o bj ec t in view as the 21.-(.(leer.) Tote 'made a great limit, and corshisedregular But it might be said that if you haVe this the ballot to a class of men who were sot seed , - din lite-, three, it would-be • at. the saints. expense as the regular to theite who might andertake service. for a shoratime army, •and therefore Would it not be better to have anti afteeWards ,engag e in industrial occupatieete-t- en increase of the regales army? I; however, think that (Hear.) In the second place we weld, these men in or there would. be aegreat •advattaesi in baviog the ein. dinar) circumstances should. not be waved out of, their I bodied milt:Jain p reterenceeo an merease of the regular )MI TI counties. We did iitdtpropete to toke them, to--aarmy. ,In the first plece t - the - itierease of the army it.' distance; but, in the third place, we self this, that.-even • liable. to the objection that' if the army should be in, the can of invasion, •or of eminent danger augmented by 10;000 . men for one year; the next year or inva , von, they shonll. b , a, t•-.ken for *ix mouths, might be a year of 'dietrett. and then there wauld edge or at most for tine year only. to defend, their .n great cry fur economy, and we should be called on a ,uutry.-(llear.) N,4, • chnehlering the eges t A these for .the reduction of that force.-(Hear ' hear.) Ido not men, arid the time they were to en-rve. I. think! there believe, h o we ver , ii. You had a re gu l ar force of militia was much of a ll ev i at i on of hardship a t three three &tu n- s u c h as 1 have mentioned, that the principle of the milt in t•te• ease of inva- tin would be a ande &three; end that y ou rel ict exeeer s P)- „,„e ---fe or that tem would be asked to eien. that such men would n-it ehject to ,go for nee year reduce that:tome, u n l ess you had other means of de away front their homes, t have their planes then tape fence, Again. wheh you Inttrease the regolar .army, as pired ny , ti- leg ilar -army, an 1 'After t atilt be.eilir ta re- greet part oi that nierease; 'unless you should ratite' pro turn and 'take to such trades and oceupeti 416 as they viseihs to the d contrary, Would be sent to regiments in the withal to tollow.-(Ctiee of ii their, bear.") So eon, colonies, 411.1 , perhaps, to colonies which do not require iinced was lof the necessity of putting in conditions of further defence, i fine thus the increased number Of the this kind, and not resorting to the regular militia, soldiers.wota i d not be for the defence of the United with its old form of ballot, that when the Noble Lard Kingdom. . urn . not for diminishing to a great degree, the Member for Tiverton peopesed to resort to the the tore.e b matrhained in: the colonies, but still the plan old fern) of militia. I sitelersd at once I would . be no adopted y th eflat, Governinpdt. and which they were • party to inireduciri thtt . mee.uret (tie's, hear.) I Ovid to tarry ' f urther might be prec-eded with; for in -01,4id it was leo slight or insighificeet al;.estatioe that wee s iunce, you may d ie tannish your force from time to time prep •see to tho Hutt e, but a ctieuge ot the st,httle pun- in et Ma; ae o ;) a nit being military garrisons, and el le ef the Measure, her, I e-ould not introduce it thereby .someobtainmimd6,ooo'er 7,000 men for the defence nays,l, at d- if mit due: dby another, that I could fed. sal the .Lnit . g otn- These, with the 10 000 mili .. , , ' Hear, tie I have just referred to a n , , myself ar liberty to oppeee the second resting, ( d the 4,000 men *posed . b dded .to the •ar ' • lilt di cenenter ihtt measure .that, has hear.) N•w , • been to e a t. 03 Y in this year, would make a l 000 men in add' • intredueed by she Governor- nt; it is is tn•. aaure worthy force o . : itton to the present force; of our coo-id r -here beceuse it is the first coin from the -vi) that, insttad of tla ' , e 41.000 infiuitry ri ve in Great eohien otfe from which the Nehle Lott' . at the he e d of 8.-itain and Ireland,. We should have a force she Government es'emed to think he woull (I, rive, such of 62,000.. . I thick that -we may then assume that great • rich-s. (A fau4h.) I Must say, however, that the 15,000Tensionere mayewithotic any great difficolty in 'the present cete there is centiderable alloy, and that, b e increased in n ) long time to 2 0,000, and SO by this. tufo he will hardly , fiad it of such v,,,iva es he supposes. meats you wou, .d have me of 80 ,000 men; an d I C. Heir, hear, and a laugh.) In toe first place, this thihk, with the artillery and cavalry, you might Main measurel 'sett she atitiantagt. of ei , .her of the plinciples tato a force of about 100,00 men in the United Mole e hich I •heve enetAi ;tied: ' Whet I -ay hi, either form a dem.. This calculetiou is teased , upon the supposition f tree that you can d 4 end uPnri hem their high spirit , that a certain amouintof embedied militia would. be este ' and great lave of eeuntry,'or on whose enthusiasm and blished; and then there f i • S no part of the fu.ce . I have moral energy you can relY; or elze form sohriera by mentioned-, , :the whole o. which would be effective, which dint of discipline ant curing from . what tieurce you get might not be used at any mrent, at t h e commencement them - But in le tirttsetit of t kin gdom: I believe, argo t one advanta g e list!' Ike other . la the first instances , ouefstfeell could be tendered e more efficient by better an the motive you propose t ie- entirely . mercenary. You rangentente with respect ter our military depotS. Those reconimead that 61. - 'if bounty ehell, 'be . given. •to - who see the R stimates of out-throe s en paper do not cons - those who enlist. By offering , this .61. you will eider, perhaps, th a t part o . f, thole. Lreee ' Consisting of naturally get thesemen who ere most in !teat, she are small bodies of troops, and Sometimes the skeletons of most needy, and who have the les e t peospect of rising reginiants just.come horse, exhaustedm by the fevers and 'in the world, Or Obtaining' suai 6 at wage* or salary the unhealthiness of otherelt _ ates,ia hardly fit for any to enable them to live in comfort.. 'S t ich men,, no diaiht, tnilitary operatiensa the but_lnk that a better' arrange 'do'iniike• eicellent soldierst they are every, day mekieg enent of our depots, and giving them (as we under 'ettcalleht soldiers; but it is because they are eohjected stped) officers , permanentiy attached to them, might to the - disciPline of the army.--(Rear:.) .'Wen a .man make.that part of -the. forte more effi c i ent. . 14 thii. way who 'indulges in - a 'restless disposition, sod. habits .of Lthiek.yett might obtain a mach larger. fore() teethe de• idleness or drunketine4, is brought under the excel-, fence ()fiche kingdom than y o u have at present-. It appears lent r discipline of the army, he is . taught ,that when on to me that the -.United tKinedo is the 'citad e l 'of this'. duty' he mutt=' be sober, when on gnard he .ertuist t be, great: empire, and - that there fore you . ought to take vigilant, and th a t a t all . times he must be ob6dient, 'Kid , moans to secure it-from 'surprise-and injury. 'lt has so thug the restless' and unsettled young man of eighteen .happenedehat in _.the dangers t o which . this country becomes at twenty ' excellent en d• - h • ' Osed.the windaand storms have defended. (Hear,,. an exce, eot en obedientbeena litt .; beer, p . rs have near.) What he becomes indeed has it and. that adverse invade been driven off b f Se en ver late) • - we ' ' ' I b t that in. the case of - th bray y yin the accounts have ot those the,force of gales,-but es,- u e .. e only in brave men who, when the unfortunate vessel 41 which vat-ion intended for 'the -happiness of Erigland-that of they were was ' • lyre rather tbe s in k i ng, willingly sacrificed their own William 111.-the -elements favoured it ,In the present ment h . of others...e ma il run the. risk of endangering the lives . state of science and, itnpdronvoe lon ; er ow birert an enemy adiantage. . Raj' he ar.) BUt yOu expressly avoid this' attacking our. shores weal and we could Nava to depend-on easily by Money f i.l r g un ot the man, Wheel you can .obtain . the favour of the winds,' ;t not be collectednot'say that shnie ' in the Bill to say he must ,e a settled inhahitent of any ',up, or 2,000 'men.prepared to till each, t ee the chance of .. place-having taken -•that maidrill him • st this•cottntry• - (Hears hear. )'• I , you an..expedition -again ... for twenty-one- days. arid then let hits event Should ha . Course to hia former habit -' on off to heve re- ,am persttaded e ift suchen , pPen, that' the . , a, awl - to r •la Se 'that 'it • • h ' i far thanmore t etimatediat 1• -; unsettled and restless mode orlite that r. ' p into t brave 53 they e oss ' enlietS--(lleer, - bear.) Th c , • first. induced him to that the .peopla of thiebOun d rY si ' n 'occurrenc are, would strikes one is, that this he e e , 4 4 - u lt e rcstion . which ' bee:ruck by so unexpeete the ~ mi „ .t e t and if - any . seldler, and ' that 'Jar tthe, ee e e ever ' be a good long time should elapse before ; ni.ig force were . yam calling dap...urea or .drivert•front 'oar shores, that the epprehen him out to drill s any d a y yeu ,ruts y probe entertained- . ' Engaged in comtnetee is t?ly not , itt,, by persteand. find nisi-41-11/4,.a.r,.'h l ‘hat the a s - e - - et htibit e arid ppeceful pursuits would itemecetoe irreparable toes, flatting:. want of money that iodutes , h i m tO. %9p in your bounty this persuasion„l was anxioa4 to' sec a good antasueeitf de= his led him to go.sothewm.re _. S e tt7 ;( "V'tki Perhapa. inn- fe , nunia•ovided: But tarn extraauly sorry that the present a reeletiey in Canada or ti, seryP, le r e it:y 6 .-",. iti the mi- Givernment havezebroaght ,forward a 'measure watch ' Arkanaas.-(11 litie of Illinete or %. ~,.. ". c l .' "s 1., t Olt 'fit.cttlSider .soithjecaorpettle. ,It was'wY intentiehe e hee e ,! ask this floes;; is the! , E a fore' tustall. , . 11 t . ti : t . knii e 'ui.try ' •u PP"' e ilhh - secret.). Matting cf thiS B '- 11- I (.1 e.,ir .lisariH' ' , Ett.. hear) New, 6 4PP' 4 .trg . that - ii, 1 ' ' 4gLeill- 04 4.iSigatokp),...1 ' : all can sai,dy rely ?-(li i• • - • artu ..,- . ' a' , LaPe thalp e ry,efeetOjl t tit , • e , , . tt . _ e swite,3oo4o4ciikittinel • i tta dt'tcttt - P r te p - tirni'rs MA' -h'ople tliat it tailhi - gave been 'Amended in Con;mittee, 44.4 st4Koie 1:241. $4 O -0044" 4 "cia 4)4 " o.= t tlo 1 ' 14.33 4 " ra 44o 0 Diii tiotaillg 0 tbec=gli t Y of tip tots 4 r ; ~ LOWDON,i 1 SAT URD AY EVENING, APRIL 24, 1852. If th a t, ne e d been the cash I should hive been glal to have veted with the Hen. and Gallant Trember for Lincoln—(Hear, and crie s o f " O rder, order")—whe hies laketi that view of the merits of -this Bill, that Although objectional:le in some respects he is in favour of seeing it go into Committee. But lam persuerhd that, At the present time especially, while it would be 'most difficult to frame amendments which were cons°. rant with the spirit of the Bill, it would on the other eand !::13 exceedingly difficult for the Governnaent to ac cept a measure which woutd r quire that total alteration which I think this one requires. I have, therefore, come to the opinion that, thinking the measure totally futile eend inefficacious, believing that it will not be a good and Cachou defence to the country, I shall vote for the etnendment, and against the further progres of the Bill. betel PALMERSTON—I had hoped that when this !Inoue was eallel upon to consider a measure which had teen altnitted in its; principle, at least, if not in its de esils—ie its object if not in its provisions --by all par ties, by both sides of the House—(Loud cheers from the rlittiterie/ sido, and counter cheers from the Opposi tion)—by the Government that was, and by the Govern ment that is, to bo essential fur the best interests of the country, the measure would have been discussed solely with a view to the defence and security of the realm and that no party feeling--( rretnendeus cheering and corn cheering)—that no party feeling would have mile:A itself up with the discussion of the present night.—(3— riewed cheers.) I confess, Sir, it is with much sure , ise and with still greater pain that I have witnessed the Hue which the Neble Lori and those of his followers— (Cheers and counter cheers)—have thought it their duty to take on the present occasion. The Noble Lord, in deed, more practised in Parliamentary warfare, has steed his objections wide much greater discretion and kill. His intended rejection of the measure is not :he less positive and announcede—(Further cheers.) But the two Honourable Gentlemen (memb• rs of 'he former Government) who spoke in the early part of this debate, adianced arguments and stated Injections which went as strongly against that measure which no doubt they would have supported if the last Government had continued in power, as they would pos sibly apply to the mea , ure which is now under diseus• Aon ; at,d I must say I wonder the Noble Lord should have finished the statement he made without reproach ing his Hon. Friends for their desertion of that standard under which they had fought under his command.— (Hear, and laughter.) I must beg to set right at once an assertion which the Noble Lord has repeated to night, and which he has often stated before—that he was prevented by the motion I made and carried from tiringing in the Bill which he had stated his inten iou to propose.—(Cheers.) My motion produced no effect, except that of determining the Noble Lord co resign.—(Oneers and counter cheers.) If I had pro posed that the resolution should be read that day six months—if I had proposed a negative to the resolution —that no resolution should be bronght in—then it would have been true I had opposed and prevented the bringing in of the Bill ; but the object and effect o f my motion was simply to make the title tf the Bill in harmony with the provisions the Noble Lord himself had stated, and there tore I deny the assertion that the motion I made pre vented the Noble Lord from bringing in hie Bill. The late Government, after maturely considering the state of zhe national defences, came deliberately to the opinion hat a militia force of some kind was necessary for the lefence of the realm—(Hear, hear)—but we ha ve now heard from the Noble Lord that a militia force is not the proper force—(Loud cheers and counter cheers)—that it would be far better to have a small amount of embo. -lied militia—better to add to your pensioners, and va rious other methods, by which it is proposod to ~.h ave .100,000 men in the permanent pay of the United king tom for the purpose of defending the realm. That was ;lot the measure which the last Government, upon full ieliberation, proposed, and which, being, as they had foreseen, negatived, they thought the refusal was of such paramount importance that they could not think they could longer, with credit to themselves, hold the admi liqration of affairs.—(Hear.) With regard to the mat er itself, I must say I think great ignorance prevailsin country both as to the inadequate state of our defences and as to the real reality of the danger to which we are exposed. The Noble Lord has very fully explained how impossible it is, notwithstanding the peaceful na.. ture—the friendly nature—of our relations with foreign power', to reckon with confidence that some unforeseen ~ vent may not, from year to year, take place which may put you In a positio n i n w hich you cannot either resent insult or injury, or submit to invasion. Many persons out of doors, who discuss this matter, seem to think the question of peace or war depends on the opinion of one ,arty alone—that it is in the power of any country whe her they should remain peaceable or should take up arms ei their defence. But that cpestion depends not upon one party alone, but upon those from whom aggressic.ei may expected—(Hear, hear)—and it has been stated by .nany Hun. Gentlemen, and the Hon, Member for the West Hiding has been reminded to-night that he himself ,numerated po sition various occa 4ions i n t h e course of th e l as t :1:1! years, in which thi s countr y was brought i n t o a po sition in which war might have been unavoidable. Now, if war be an event against the possibility of which you ,54nnot provide, then we must consider whether as to tat country especially which, without any unfriendly feeling towards it, or without at all anticipating he real arrival of an event that may place us in hostility with it, we must nevertheless regard as one ~f the Powers with which possibly we may perhaps he involved in war, circumstances have occurred of late volts which mi,tht have some effect on the off .nsive `e lines , that might arise. - I hsiEtll;;;rd many, say, " Why alarm yourselves about the chances of war; we have never been invaded since Heaven knows when? We have during the last thirty or forty years been in perfect tranquillity. Bonaparte tried to invade us in 1804, and we sit know how difficult were his preparations to make, and that it would have been easy to have, defeated them;" bat when they refer to that former state of things as a proof we need be under no alarm as to the possibility of invasion now, it is as it a person told me that, some , hirty or forty years ago, it t o ill three days and nights to come from Edinburgh to L nuks, therefore it was impossible to Come new.in twelve hours—(Hear, hear) —that beeaose, thirty or' ,forty years ago a person iu Dahlia waVfor weeks without receiving any direct intel ligence from Loodon, therefore it was impossible now communications might be transmitted, as I have no doubt they will be; from one town to the other in as many minutes as formerly it took days, especially in the pre valence of the westerly winds. It augurs an entire forget fulness of the improvements made in modern times for any man, to argue from what h a pp ene d 30 or 40 years that it might happen now. The application of steam to navigation has ip effoot made a bridge over the chan nel and has brought the means,of qaick att ac k— an at tack on a 'scale of great 'magnitude- which did not exist before,—(Hear.) But it is said we sheuld know before .hand it any preparations were made. I say you might, hot knoW—(llear, hear)—because, by the internal ar rangements-efrailways the distribution of troops is such that 50,000 or 60,000 men might, be- collected at Cher bourg before you 'knew anything of the matter; and those who have seen what those immense works are - must he perfeCtly aware that a number of men could walk from the pay into their vessels as easily as they could walk into their birrack-yard.—(llear, ,hear.) A night would bring them over, and all our naval preparations, be they what they might, could not be relied on to prevent the arrival of such an expedition, as no batteries or gun boats we might have on our shores could be relied on to prevent the landing of the expedition when it had ar rived.—(Hear,' hear.) The history of all times and all nations, and the history of our own nation in especial, proviei that a large force, wh , n it is. determined to land, wilt land against all opposition whatever.—(flear.) Be sides, can you reckon ',that the invading force shall be one, end directed against one paint only.—(Hear.) There are many points against which an expedition may con currently sail; one portion of the force might land in Ire land,. another on a distant part of our own island, while a third, designed for the metropolis, might land on the coast over against the metropulis.—(Hear, hear.) Our limited garrisons would be, in such a case, divided and distracted—(Hear, hear)—if we heard of an expedition landing in Ireland, everybody would say, " Send all the forces to Ireland," and then an expedition landing , on the southern coast would not find a force adequate to resist it.—(heir, hear.) I therefore say, that the pre sent amount of the standing army, adding the pensioners —excellent troops, ,but Who from their oonclition, being men past the prime of life, have not the repired activity of frame, and the extent of the augmentation of whom, moreover, bas'been greatly exaggerated,--but, including all, regular troops and pensioners, the amount_ of our standing army, I say. is not sufficient to meet an mei gency Of that kind. As to the marines, on whom soil gentlemen count, they would.be required to go o n b o ard ship, and cannot, therefore, be reckoned on as part of the home garrison:—(Hear, hear.) There are two waoXs . in which the deficiency I speak of may be made but ge We may add materially to our standing arin `foi one, am utterly opposed to such anacl y i b ition.— (11 ,, ar, hear.) To make that addition to our regular army would requireamohnt of expenditure un htc_; the . country would not bear, and - which_ the be via ; is the ought not to bear.—(Hear, hear.) Tee other an army organization of a militia, meaning - of reserve, or body of men drilled a b n Y d ld not cost us for a portion of the year, and which wore trained only one-tenth of what an equal e for which we number of : Would cost; so that for the expenditure gular troops men to the regular might have an additional, say, 8,000 o nly partially . 'OOO militiamen army;-we might have 80, len of adding the trained.—(lleari'hear.) AdoptP t h e did h a ppen?.. 11l tell 8,000, troops, and what le sam e thing would you what would 'happen; justat would happen to the happen . to aide 8,000 'men t 't is amid, redundant.where colonial troops, who being , 88 _1 home , The Hon. /item they are, it is proposed to Y. ha other gentleman, has pro ber for Montrose; or some o of the troops now in posed to have a large proportionb9in, u nnecessary far the co thicolonies sent home, as e home, and the'Hon. Gentle lonics; bat let them cem would next prop?se , no t to keep them as an addi tion to the home garri son, man but to disband and get rid o f them immadlatel'v.-- (Hear, hoar.) And so it Would ise m' entary regular troopa hi ve with the 8,000 suPP I , e- he House, feeling deeply for the pointed to . - Sul:V:o B in,, 1 .of our permanent dee moment the inadequ acy 000'or 10,000 men to the "e l were to agree to add 8, h ,regu ar wont 1 keei) this year, perhaps next arm)", Y°llyear there would recur a feeling of year, but in the thir d i would say, "we have had econermy, and gentlernL got u p f invasion ; _no in vasion; 'these men, Were , no invasion don'c Want them ;" they would ba tha n ur osesof ' ,banded, and then for e p defence they would 'h • thoug h they had never been under arms. 3116 t ag ; 80 000 militiamen • Bat, if you have • •• _. trained this year ain that and the next , even suPP° g -at in the third year some motives of economy, a bad harvest, a defective revenue: dr some o Mei-occurr e n ce 'should 'induce - the HOUSe to with+lraw _,the, annual vote for the training of thi s we ihetild still have a valuable - result Ter Or zo , o4l 4l“ , ,,,i; ; ;brev'aillolfave :80007 nici,7o.rtilttlyl trained, armed, equipped, enregimented, enrolled, and aLi :u so.bo celled ou6 at ten days' uotio0,1401:ld dauger Lord NAAS ohp-eted to the amendment, on the ground that it would re-open a question which had already been , e.ttled, and would create great inconvenience and con rusion. • Ter some discussion, the amendment was negatived without a divisiou. This and the remaining clauses of the Bill were then agreed to, and the douse resumed. On the order of the day for going into Grnimittee on the Improvement of Towns (Ireland) Bill being read, letrd NABS observed, that as the measure was of a very c)mplicated ns'ure and was likely, he believed, to meet with considerable! otposition, he begged to move that the order be 'ditcharged. .. The motion Wai agreed to, and the order was dis charged accordingly. The Sheep, &c.. Contsgious Disorders Prevention Bill, the Po.ir itc.lief Ant Continuance Bill, and the Exche quer:bills (17,742,8001) Bill were severally read a tbird time and passed. Sir W. , ,JOLLIFFE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to continue au ATitfor autporising the applicAtion of highway races to turnpike roads.' ' The Hon. Baronet also obtained leave to bring in a Bill for further continuing certain tem porary provisions concerning coclesiastind jurisdiction in Enoland a • . . The Bills were brought in, end were read,a first time. Mr. HERMES moved the re-nomination of the Select _Committee on Indian territories. Mr. ANSTEY objected to the motion. on the ground that the selection of Members to constitute the Com mittee was one. sided. The. Committee comprised seve- 1 rel Members of the East India Company, three of whom were directors, while he looked in vain for the name of the Hon. Member for Manchester (Mr. Bright), and the Hon. Member for the Tower Hamlets (Mr. G. Thomp son), both of whom, it wls well known, took great in terest in Indian afftirs. He thought it was pretty clear what the character of the report would be, and that that proposed inquiry would , und er the circumstances, be no- I thing but a mockery. Th e Committee aa proposed was one in which the people of India might not to have, and would not have, the Aightest c ,nfidonce. Mr. SCHOLEFtELD moved to strike out one of the names proposed (and selected that of Mr. Moore), i n order to substitute that of Mr. Anstey. Mr. HERRIES observed that that Hon. and Learned Member opposed the appointment of the Committee, and said ho Er lieved it would be useless. Mr. Scbolefl ld's motion was negatived, and the Com mittee was appointed, constituted as fAlovit:—Mr. Ile ries, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Lard John - r- Sir William ames Rus sell, Mr. Baring, Sir Charles Wood, Mr. Baillie. Mr.Viiiacrodu.nt Jocelyn.g oVleise: GI a,:istone, Mr. Newdegate, Mr. L tbouchere Siri Graham, Mr. AldPraian Thoropm; woit .,b, Sir Robert Harry Vis count Mahon, Mr. Cobden, Inglis;ig. Inge, Mr. Milner Gibson, Sir James Emerson Tenn Culabrooke, Sir James /Legg, Mr. Hums, Mr. Banker,eriMr. Mingles, jur. Plowden, M Mr. Vernon Hilyard, Mr . James Wilson, Mr. Smith, Sir ' 111 S i .; R Eti b w e r a t r 3 Spooner. and Mr. Cardwell. The House adjourned at five minutes past One o'clock. IRISH. RAILWAYS, COMPLETION OF THE DUBLIN AND BELFAST JUNCTION RAILWAY.--OH Monday, when the, morning mail-train arrived at Wellington Inn (whence it was dispatched . by road to Newry, and thence-to Millaghglass station, two miles north of ' Newry, the intermediate part of the tine is not yet completed); it - trial trip tonk place over the new works of 'he railway compriaedi in- the foregoing-tine. Sir John Macneill, with four of the director% proceeded by engine over nearly the entire space, and; we under stand, expressed his satisfaction at the manner in which , the works were executed. The directors expect to be able' to open the line direct by the 10th of May;, , and about that period it may be 'expected. that a change in the receipt and' diapatch of; probably, all the northern mails will take place.—Newry Examiner. The loth of May is named tor the opening, of . the Watert e rd and Limerick Railway from Tipp e rary to Clonmel, and rapid strides are making between Clonmel and Carrick in the progress of the works, and no doubt need now be entertained of its completion to Dunkitt by the_end of this year. ~- ----T . ' c s ADVEHTISEIONT. .1-I.ollowa ' y's' Pills for the Cure of, ervous Debility a n d D e t erm i nation of, Bl oo d to t h e H ea d., --Elttract of a letter from Mr: John. Lloyd, of Erwn..wen Harlech, MeriOnethshire. "To Professor Holloway. Sir,—l ici thint my duty t o i n f orm you t h at f or a long period I was afflicted with giddiness and swimming in the head, attended by. t t h r e l: ;y :l hf ,.. loss of • appotite, and generally` Unpaired health. Every means had failed to - give me relief, and at length it became so altif .r. lug, that I was afraid of going out without an attendanutr. phis, Hughes, chemist, of Harlech, alvised me to which I immediately did, and am happy to say gold perfect ctire, and'restered me to health and le ' st Establishmeut. by all Druggists and at Professor Holloway il. 24 1,,Strand,1,0trion: effected a - ' si x . -- Flowers are 1! LOWERS AND THE - • FAIR- , that bring down heaven Prettily said to be" terrestrial sta t rs s from 'earth to heaven."o to,earth and Barry up -our thong!? .„ more 1) Vitt ily.4efitiid -9 be e n Sta ll ' • Wont' lovely yopla.n6o • flower and an angel." Having ii.eiriOiiteffing beHveen a flow both these " gitts to g l a dden us, what happy, merry tell ows " __. - - , . A 44 1 SC, WA aournai, 1 We Alen vugtl4 ty IN I""**P ..........,,.._,...........—..,,,..„. , .r.••baa1l .. ........1 present itself.—(Hear.) I sly, therefore. this 80,000 THE 'MILITIA BILL. iniliti4rnen would bee tners, veluen'e addition to our (From the To nes ) r ec T c. i lze i t a t r z e b „ m fi tzs t ii . i L e s s ta w n h c i e e , h as it cu eu,ssteuie.sus,!f and col) fi p d rr , . tap:: int military force t ten B,eoo men tel , lel to the regular army.—(llear.) Fee (t - ,e3n reasons lam of opiaion that . this is a good raeasure—(flear)—aad, really, what is the existing Gevernuteut. They may, on exam - relation s the difference betwe en the present measure and t h e prove to be bad, but it is commonly felt that if we measure which be late G overnment ma d e a vital tines - give up our p re j u di ce in their favour it can only be must tion?—(Hear.) The characteristic of t h at measure was, reasons that will shake our confidence in their author for s. that compulsory service w as th e rule, and voluntary Me a sures of nati ona l defence, it is evident, camp under service the exception. What is t h e ce erac t ertst i e ef :he this category. There is no such very wide difference present measure? Net voluntary service is the rule and betwe e n the militia of Lord John Russell, that euggested compulsory service the exception.—(Hear.) The ground, by Lord Pelmerston's amendment, and that of the pre therefore, on which the late Governme nt goe., in op- sent Ministry. But as the Conservatives, with a re posing the, present measure is, that it is not compulsory merkable agreement of opinion on a u exce e di ng l y s h e enough—(ll•nr)—that it re-lies, in the first instance, on street and shadowy point, rejected Lord John's measure, voluntary enlistment; that it does not compel peop'e to the Whigs are quite as strongly -and quite as mysteri serve, and is not, therefore, a m easure ca l culated to ously moved to throw out Mr. Walpote'a. The exact meet the occasion. I have heard of a great many meet ingscharacter in diff erent parts of the country, wher e objections circumstance that when Mr. Rich, or any other Whig were urged against the proposed militia; but the gene- Member-, ge , s op to criticise the Bill now i n th e H ouse ratify or these objections turned on the ballot. The No. he invariably goes off into a general dispseegement of ble Lord says that his ballot diffsred toot the other militias of ell sn i pes and kind.:. A militi a i s item's ballot; b ut h e h as not explained in what instance it did. —(Hear, he ir , sarily a h a lf an d h a lf measure; i t i s necessarily an at ) Ilia ballot is accumulated en one class tempt to com bi ne the confl i cting cond i t i ons of peace and of the community, whereas the ballot now proposed is war, of security and danger, of civil and military net only deferred, but is spread over various ranks.— , 'life. As such it must needs be ambiguous and geese c(rflittn'airiteabieratr.b)alliTit,he Noble Lard says that is wes a die - tionahle in the strictest sense of those terms. It is in the result of which wou ld b e all geed measures of this mixed and intermediate character that wee, motel men, seell-ceed uc t e d men, who would all the authority of Gevernments and the intervention of return home properly to their famili e s when dismissed, statesmen are most severely taxed, and so liable are whereas the other ballot would pr o d uce only bad subjects. they in their nature to the most plausible objections, —(Laughter,) I am, myself vire at 41. SS to conceive in %mat respect the Noble Lord's ballot is more discri- that the mere fact of their being pulled to pieces, and even covered with ridicule in the arena of the Legisla mirettive than tie) , other ; or h ow h e can conceive that tore, nerd not sterile those who are prepared to support a ballot, in its nature compulsory, and which only in teem. It would appear to be an impossibility for ques special instaorvis can be avoided by substitutiou, can bas thins of this sort to be decided upon their own merits. more oppressive to the country !ban a occurs Only in extreme cases, and these ballot which 'lle state of parties and the gene ra l aspect of the poli ses w hi c h • ere not likely to acct at all.--(Bear, ca (Hear, hear.) It is said, twat world must be taken into consideration. Knowing, as we do, that it is scarcely possibl e f or the Bill now in and, by the by, I m ust request the House to bear in mind that argument o f t h ose who proposed the last the House to pass in anything like its or i g i nal form, and measure. that they were not altogether in harmony with seeing greater evils just now in its discussion than in its each other, any more than the provisions, of the Bill postponement, we are prepared to rely for the present with its title; for while, on the one hand,- the measure on our existing defences, with perhaps some additional regular soldiers, and to put off for another year prepare• announced by the First Minister of the Crown went, at times that, at best, are prospective. We are prepared last, on the principle of allowing substitutes to serve, I remember that the Right Hon, Gentleman the Secre- to de so. ' because there is really no other alternative. tary-et-War, and afer w ard s P res id ent o f the Board of Not the le ast ev il o f the present d i scuss i on i s the ir retrievable damage it is certain to ieflict on th e f a i r Control, argued at g r e at l engt h, an d evidently with a fame of British parties and statesmen: The moment strong force of convicion, against substitutien a t a li t the national defences are in the hands of a new and una saying that substitutes were good for nothing, were popular Government, it is discovered for the first time by fellows who would pocket the money for INnoining sub- the supporters of the lute Government that it would take stitutes, and then, when they were reelly wanted w:eile the cost to the metropelis, ading army at leas t a month for an invading vanish, and become altogether ceic.mniratable. Now, I I reached the suburbs, if they ever get so far, we could to march frenn have not such an opinion of Enilishmen,—(Cheers.) that by the time they had our.Y muster a regular and well disciplined force of 200,000 believe you would not fln:i 80 000 men in' 'this con who would take the bounty and then gl off to America. men, with set least a hundred field guns, and that though —(Hear, her.) I may, in the simplicity 05 my nature Weeks of o h f al ac i n b u a a t Pp have obtained this vast army by and by —(Loelaughter on both sid es o f the H„ ese ).....h eee too appeals to selfish and mercenary motives, it enlistme nt, ould be good an opinion of peopte—(Langhier)—but I do not be• sioprepeotsasblibelemteonpfororcaurte,ewleslys I tra numbertraining, g o! an re lieve, making those abatements welch must be always made fir occasional defaulters in great bodies of the for our defence in the ease of irevasion, without the con people—there are defaulters even in thi • body, some- scription and ballot. Very Wl4l. WO are thankful for times, when there is a call of the I.l.euse—(A laugh—l the first portion of these discoveries. It is no small do not believe teat, if you proceed to raise men by vu-- relief to find legions of defenders start up , out rom !Literary enlistment for this army of reserve or militia— of the holes arid corners of the l an d call it whet you will—yo u w ill fi n d the men whom you d oc k yar d s an d d ec k s, from police and preventive f sta have enrolled, who have taken the oath of ellsgiance, ttons, from amidst us and around us, on all aides, would absent themselves from the call of the ceutory in deriek Mu no sooner whistles than every rock, ev ery Ro th© hour of danger.—(Cheers.) I theref ore look on bush,reveals an armed friend. But why is this disco this measure as one calculated to do essential goud to tared so late? Nay, how does it come to pass that whil e the Stat , .—(llear, hear,) But, even if Ith , ught there suppor te rs and even members of the late Government are were some pinions of the measure which mietat be im- assuring us that we have nothit g whatever to fear, and proved, this would be no reason why.l should ref use it a that we are in fent a great military power, wanting only second reading.—(flear, hear.) That would be a rea son why I sh ou ld propose am„dments in committee— (Herr, still recommends his own measure, and end eavours to hear)—b ut i t I believed that the defeneive force stronger and more rea l persuade us that it was a much of ihe country was i na d equate—if I believed, as we have just heard, that occasions may occur in which additional measure than that before the House? Our readers will forces would become necessary —it I believed that a has had the very natural effect of raising Lord Palmer militia force was a force desirable to have, and if I had ston once more into the position of arbiter of parties, staked my political and legielative existence on a the censurer of faction, and the scourge of his old col measuparticular re to that purpose, I m i ght think a leagues. How f ar th e new h onours of candour and im partiality sit gracefully on th e b row o f t h e veteran di respects than it at pr esen t was, b u t I should vote for its second reading and p a ss it i n t o C ommittee, in a piomatist, it is hardly for us t o sa y ; b ut t h ere can b e no friendly spirit, with a v i e w to improve it—(H ear)—and doubt that a great opportunity has been presented to him, and as little doubt that he tea* av a il e d hi mse lf o f i t I should not end eavour t o throw the mea sure out, or, to the bset possible effect Lord Palmerston halt, at all especially in the ex i s ti ng s t a te and co n d i ti on of Perlia- events, retorted en Lord John Russell the charge of gra tnent, postpone, at all events, the initiation of a wets- tuitous and malignant opposition. sure which in its principle I had proved, by retiring The moat important result of this discussion so far deemed to be of paramount from office on the question. I has been the revelation of our hidden strength, as con inaportance.—(Hear, hear.) Ido hope that the example teased by the supporters of the first Militia Bill of this which has been sot by two members of the late Go vernment will not session. Mr. Rich, w e can ' t help f ear i ng, has greatly fr.e followed by others—(Near, bear) exaggerated our present available means of defence, but who, havi ng b een even the most moderate estimate is rather reassuring, I hope th ere are no ot h er men, prepared t o vo t e f or a me a s ure involving mainly cow- especially when we are told by the hero of an actual invasion, that it Id take even a small French de.. measure —( Hear, ear pulsory service, will object to the measure before us be. thin • • f cause it is m only a voluntarya:ocalmilitia , b) tanchmen't ten days7o u land with every ing in its avour, —who, having been pr. pared to vote for t i based on a re- a d twenty days more t ' reach town. The following a very now objet to this measure because it .3 . estimate of our present available force, made by - competent and careful authority, may be applied to late Government and that of the present check Mr. Rich's too flattering picture of our national ueal.ure of the if , guLr militia .—(. Hear ) The difference between the Government consists rather in name than in reality; strength : there b,. any diff. , rence, it is in favour of this measure, Force of all ranks, infantry ... ..• 61,000 inasmuch as this measure is founded on voluntary en Pensioners ... ... ... ... ... 16,000 lieteseitt mainly, whereas the other it liable to the ob- Y eomanry and volunteers ... ... ... 14,000 , • • • •• , jection that its e s s ent i a l b as i s w a s that of compulsory Artillery 111 . 0 ••• . • • 7 000 Marines ashore ... . . ... ... 5,000 service. —(Hear, hear.) Mr. MOFFATT moved the adjournment of the debate Coast Guard for land batteries ... ... 5,000 till Monday, and, Dockyard battalions 5 000 Atter a few words from Colonel SIBTHORP, the mo- Add to the regular troops and infantry . . 10,000 don was agreed to. Irish constabulary ... ... ... ... 10,0u0 The if Buse then went into Committe e u p on th e Re- Aleatepolitan Police 7,000 Payment of Advances Acts Amendment (Ireland) Rill_ Clauses 1 and 2 were agreed to without amendments. On chance 3, which provided that the Treasury might Cause errerloells charges to be corrected, Mr. CLEM.EN I'S proposed an amendment, with the view of eaubliag the Commissioners, if it should appear * to them expedient, to alter the number of years tor whi c h the annuities charged on the electoral divisions had been fixed. Totnl 140,000 The additiOn of 10,000 men to the infantry is thus obtained. There are 58 regiments cf 850 men, and 9 regiments of 900 rank and file. These 67 regiments might bo augmented to 1,000 men without one additional offic-r, and the result would be as foLlows .- 53 regiments, 150 each 9 100 ;, ... 8.700 ... 900 ... Additional rank and file ... 9,600 - - . Hence . there are 123 000 men, beyond dispute, mostly good and trained soldiers. The 17,000 additional men, consisting of police, are certainly available in case of emergency, which is all to be provided against at. present. Under these circumstances, the public need not take is 'very much to heart, if they find the Homo of Commons in too di• tided and agitated a state to pass a Militia Bill this ses sion. Shoul:i it be suspended, a good commission of milita9 men and civilians ought to be appointed to caw_ mine into and report upon the present state of the militia law, upon the actual force in the country, and upon the best and most economical means of national iisence from foreign aggression. could,ev without much even now, unpro. v At all events, foreign countri es w ill n learn that we are not ins i deFt itute .a state as to i nv i te , invasion; that, having re..pectable means of d e f ence, we t f o or b ; e and we that can spare time to consider the best plans for future pro t delay, put the Duke of Wellin g to n at the head of a Bri tish torte larger t han he won his greatest viwories with ic cle i d nu as w e w d o uY are are alleged to —larger, indeed, than any he ever eoramandtd. RAILWAY ' ll —+ ttk. MARKETS. BKIS r • IL, APRIL 23. STOCK EXCHANGE. —The improvement which has mania fested itself' in .he share market tor the last few days was well supported on the opening of 'Change this morning. The transactions were as follow :—Great Western, 63—Vale of Neath, 3% dis.—York and North Midland, 2G. Lill ERPOOL, APRIL 23. STOCK EXCiiRNGE.—The share market opened this morning rather better than yesterday, but towards the mid ,le of th e d ay symptoms✓ of a decline and inactivity displayed themselves. The purchase, however, by one or two leading brokers of stills at full rates restored confidence, and the market closes at its best with a fair amount of busi ness. The transactions were us follow :—Ambergate, Not titurham, Boston, and East Junction, 1% dis.—Caledonian, 2:17/B—Ditto, Greenock, guaranteed, 15— Chester and Holy head, Preference, guaranteed 5 1 ,E per cent., 17%—Easte . rn Counties, 9 7-16—Edinburgh and Glasgow, 33—Lancash ire and Yorkshire, 74--Ditto, Fifths, 6 dis.—Liverpool, Crosby, and Southport, 2 1%—London and North- West s e h rn li , e ll d 4 :Ai n ed —Ditto, New Quarters, 5 5 4 p.—Manchester, 69 _ % South- Lincolnshire Preference, ', —SouthEas —South- Eastern Staffordshire,and tWANCH r.,61.h1t. '' . APRIL 23. was very limited, Dover,22 l r- d l3 Y is. Lrk;a u n A te l d h id ß il : h r e d t n h isb M , i 3 d_Lan dia. d, 25 but ar "3 tendency. Tee . 34 y nd Lincolnshire, 8 ..., as follow :—Manchester, Sheffield. & and, 6 % day transactions were 8 Caledonian, idt pric K es Ex ha cy ak a zi n G u is r zT rd he business to 2 1 .7 1 / :: l d_al so a u n t d h.E W a i s n te d rEt erm a er d e, D l 9_ 2 North - Western, —NEeawszeQrnuCoun ties, 9 7-16 -- London and . 5% p.—Lancashire and Y014E 1 ,11 a. 16—West Ridings, 4% dis. 12 -Midland, —Blackburn (No. 1), 6 '4—Sheffield, Preference,. 6 per cet4., 3W3—Caledonian p E re n f t e A ren n4 ce h ) a B 7 6. 4% dis.—Ditto, BIRMINGHAM, APRIL 23. STOCK EXCHANGE.-- There was an unproved feeling . ex hibited -in the share nraket to-day, and a good business has been done at improved prices. The sales reported were— London and Nortn-Western, 124% --Midland Stock, 68— Ditto (Birmingham and Derby ), 36 L 4 —Shrewsbury and Birminghamr(B). 53i t —Shropshire Union, 3 die. - E IG HT PEEPONA DROWNED.—On Tuesdayerening, as nine persons were coming ashore from a vessel, the Jan! ? lying at BenHach, near the Red Wh ar f, th e b oa t being lan an d overloaded capsized, and all were thrown into thewa e. The weather at the time was - ca l m , the water smooth, and about seven feet deep. They were about a hand:d from shore, and their cries for assistance were f t rind on the heart rending; but only a few women were to When me arrived -spot, and those in a state of distraction. the -it was too late t ; render any assistance to years old, whom sufferers, except one boy, Evan Jones, nine succeeded in. u nfortunate they found on a piece of timber fl?at w int ti found that night s saving, who is doing well. Six bodies w a ki Chronicle. and the other two next morning. 4v to Messrs. Chaplin ailorr•TOWN STATION. FATAL ACCIDENT AT T —Yesterday, the Camden-town station, and Home, carriers, wa s cu t . t with a stone, when it receiv the last truck came in t c h o r n ew c off Frederick Lambdenberger, a sudden jerk, "ichenductor's brother, who was riding on aged thirteen, h h th e e latter. e The poor fellow was raised up as a goods tratie'n: they truck with and speechless. and conveyed within the grins insensib be was attended by a neighbouring surgeon , station; S uite where dead before that gentleman's arrival, -hi f: ng elonging but he wss n broken by the tall. neck having bee n • • AT TICEHURST, FOX SUSSEX. —On Wednesday l is t, about noon, a tire broke out on the premises of Da, -woe, at Ticehurst, Newt which at one time threatened to destro y the whole of the establishment of those- gentlemen, but which, fortunately, from the exertions cf the people in the neighbourhood, and the speedy arrival of the -engines f rom Hawkhurst and Tunbridge -wells, was confined 'to - the centre of the building. 'r h o r escued fr om. e patients were their perilous situation, and sustained no injury whatever; they were accommodated without delay in other premises connected with the institution. The magistrates, neigh bouring gentietneo, and farmers rendered great service by directing the ea rtions of the 'villagers, whose efforts were most, - praiseworthy. The loss sustained is calculated to . a2 ;,, aullt taz- 10 70a04 b u t fortanat•elr therwhole was i4atlied.. • ."-LI ENV, RAILWAY Buas.—During - the patient ses B lon 72 railway - Bills have ' been - readthe'secend time in the House of Commons, and referred to Select Committees, at' • 1 17 raaWatY bilk h ive km road the third tins sae, pau4 ;9