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1,0 ?!1!• A IMI 111irgirgeriNES. .1_ I -I-4 (YESTERDAY.) Sub-rnniittee No. 1. This Committee met to-Coday at twelve o'clock ; Mr. Strutt, Chlirruari. atijThe Committxe tornmented the business by calling on the oureed case of the LE ICE37:IIII, AND Emnrona). r. BURK E appeared on several petitions against the Bil l . The allegations were that the standing orders had not been complied with, inasmuct, as the property of the petitioners Ives not p r operly marked on t h e plans and sections. A few overr of these allegatioLe were sustained and the oth ers uled: - 11r. BURKE next proCeeded on the _petition of a Mr. turner, a landowner on the line. Dlr. COATES objected to the petition being gone into. The Petitioner, Air. Turner', had on the previous evei . glpetitio .. n o e m d t he liouA e of Cominons to have his name withdrawn tr thempetition—in fact he was not now an opponent. .„ • huaKe said that he bad to complain of a non-compli :'nee with the stinding orders on a point which affected the e li n b jic- The survey of the property belonging to Mr. Turner I,"'n,liot pro;:erly executed, inasmuch as the fences or it;triticeti.,,lnaari.e.s.(ifhtish,e property was not shown on the plans an in fact, amounted to a very grave breach of I N randing orders, inasmuch as the plan was drawn from a entintg, surrey, and was. calculated to mislead the Committee * . th e public. The property so drawn must have teen etlaillg;tioinve r d h es:r i i n b g ed in the bunks of reference. 4 • Co .... . ATES pressed upon the Committee the fact Bill. been iae room w withdrawn the petition against the . IvheeilnliecalleditriAinntas then cleared, and upon the parties having . 11, r, MAN, after having consulted . with Sir 4, Said 4teathcote, chairman of Sub-Committee No. raised that the Committee had given the oint Which tneir moat serious consideration, as it was p . one t were _pigti, arise in many other inquiries. the Comnlit ee o the ,:)epiilion that the allegation, in so far as it applied t ki l r lV 0, should be entertained. fields divided then called a witness to prove that several h" : 'iyided by fences were shown as one field, the fences sit. Co altogether omitted. ay ° would • the fact of the petitioner n ig' withdraw 4 again press l ir. tu his opposition. • • Petitien sr said that it was a point of practice where_ a vio 3 `:llas presented to the House for withdrawing a pre tounnPetteiti, unless the House referred such petition to the k r. ,_ A e T , it could not weigh in the inquiry- T he 67 1 P.s then read the petition. . . referred to A th itl tA.,, , N said, that it was clear the petition was not kr, co,-.-e k,unimittee, which was the usual course. _ the IPrevi ous ''''ts Said that the petition was only presented 1,4 liouse7",,g, when it was ordered to lie on the table of -,.,Committ ee 44.st there was not time to have it referred to 4 he ro o • x hitt ee ~e - h il was then cleared, but the decision of the Com *4 n o das ennveyed pr . at ly to the agents. The point allowetroule deeided ill favor of Mr. Burke, as he was 41r, ' ju t° Proceed on the allegations. °l ithe ,„.rtiQ called other witnesses to shown that the fences low 'rr_ae Z e P p. e a rt ,: y . of Mr. Turner were not. T ed. ° 'ton Was sustained, and several others were al tnitt4 SP!aker havi ng b een announced at prayers, t h e Com 40urned till twelve o'clock on Monday. t o This co„, 'Sub-Committee N 0.2, Cloisters 6. \C i f! ia ti' l l i l i t t tee met to-day at twelve o'clock, Sir J. Y. air. There were present, Messrs. Bragiston, " e ves, and G. Philips. ttrs t Tle Petiti on lCT ZST RIDING UNION. • 144.7Itu tit , 3 against this Bill were heard to-day. _Tahneof , Ccito L s that there was inaccuracy te pl . k t i s hook of reference deposited with the Clerk th . /, r the West Riding of Yorkshire. Th e est ateit tee b rxix Proved the identity of the plans before had b el ' e wa to net bee an —.allegation that in section 63 the tunnelling oa H7 O l rid "'via. The inaccuracy was in the 7th furlong_ N' n - "e L e, Which not marked with a dotted line * —s. `` Phi; in was with the standing order 11 %0 Corn • Tbl e ucoZ i t .tee consid ere d th a t th e s t an di n g o rders had tokit Lett ed With i n t hi s case . ~itt ec t e .',tegation was, that in section 55 the distance I e e co n :Nies sho u ld have been 13 miles, which the C om- Ikea ,tctic4n, ertd sustained. 4 3e 4I tt s ‘ a ( 1 68 ,', 41, 0_, ? there was a similar allegation of in- In I n l , i; "" -Committee were of opinion that in this te 3 , - 'ttetioao--4'ng orders had not been complied with. _ t;, o ret to the 9 ere was an allegation of inaccuracy with 4econd futderlong ou the line. In this case the wiet°bh.sidered that the standing orders had been ati l ..,cti ck , 3:`'ure - ti, 4 it was a' leged that the height of the ri!il- lie°,l!nialarieecisilrface, on the secondTiirlong of the sth mile, "ad in tido, Witbii que stion, No. 10, being proved to be a road It ecl the a t l l the meaning of the Act, the Committee con egation sustainthe f~ ed iatt,4?il that in section 115 there was an error in d th a e t 'hol l j d 4 t, h forth as the scale of vertical measure elm 4,` ,1 , 14 v b () R of the second mile, instead of being e 4lo, k'At t e k ,,.eeti 420_ iioo m ea w k - ' s aid that he would prove that theerror an in . d ootl .444 coact referable to the mechanical cause of e 44e rit. °tr action, but to a bona fide error -in the t o t i l ts; c otnt,• t hitt L t ,effeet lit t t k ee Considere d that as there was no 11egation tstiv"oat,bo""at Mr. Parkes could not tender evidence on e -t i t ) ight cross-examine any witness called to svi t t:' 4 Ett" i tion. 114 11 11 ' e to - ,. °441 ; agent to the promoters of the Bi!l, called Ib rtc 'tAso trre that the error winded to was the result of Nol o a d to undergo in being lithographed. toe e iz , w as then cleared. On oar re-admission, to th e l ti e.B wittert,AN said the Committee were of opinion that !vet t lilot at liberty to give evidence with respect Theonot "ie scales, and that the standing orders in this be e 14 1 1e eNairii ri c ontplied with. 'h C HAIRtg allegations were of a similar charsct : er. 4 4 1 . 1 4 ( ;ase o f•, l ,it said the Committee were of opinion that Tb, 1 44 i io ,`, ll e West Riding Union Railway the standing \.‘"l tiat gee° coin red with. uee adjourned till Tuesday, at twelve o'clock. tll. (', 0 ,„ , Sub -Committee No. 4. If 'IN, -"nltttee Mettwelve o'clock, and b etth,,. i re tee at Members present, Sir W. T. , r 443 :4 t c , a . gon the list. . proceeded with 11, j01:11Irman, and Messrs. H. Drummond, W. Nk ke , 4.4 84) fte, and Acland. T h . Itl ltail AND yoNXIIIIIILD NORTH k. 13 till' 23E STERN. ip t ,,,_ t i , , , . I kdat -4 to -p-' for lta object the making of a line from e th h tin pi p , the 1 ft, which will be 43 miles, et - g estimates . ob j ect of J and Lock are tii,h,_katlee ated at 800 0001. Messrs. ea ... ~ 'are " 3, and ~ ag e , u.s. Messrs. Dorringtou . . Standing orders complied with. D , This .„, b sUrarcsaa. VALE. t Q II (it:: a n ill to enable the Swansea Vale Railway Corn • li: , lin e. "P.i?rated under an Act of last ses:lion) to complete A g . 1 2. Ini , ha estimated cost is 100,0001., the length of the t 0 ,:4 ts iteB. Engineer, Mr. W. JOnei Standingarrys' r i ot co Ittt /I"e d 47 1 4 ', :arratt and Walmesly. Ti t Xtr orde .. , . t " Cttint. *IELD CHASE ROAD. . 1, er Mpli e d . . he datum line was not decided that in this Bill the stai_idingordere .e•P li '."ed i n ~.. . . with, inasmuch, as . t 1444'14." Th e to any in made in figures, but 4 . kord s. e accessary reference was fixed point, or near one of the • •IV Tow. ' NOTION. 13 I S .". AZID Ditarrxzsa) artr 'Xork and `) , t i.• , i4 1 , 1 1 . 1:111 to f orrn a junction between i i t t h o e n) and the I ' l l ll 4 .I)ritn: t i l t ii itillwway ( at_ No o rion, make a branch a from the i l k k tt}? 4 !T i t d 11 Selby aY' R a ft l re, a t e, (Brldlington Branch ),, '...tc2 inci„,,- - -• afield, to (Bridlington • Bridge. The 1,; , 14,1 , "'ng the branch, will he twenty-four miles, and e,,, , 4 O-os_t is estimated at 240,000/. ,t 4 ••arh amPritary agents are Messrs Williamson and 444 gineer II ii k" h w • Itlitc tidin g I' orders e w r were aom.elied with. • '- • ~, jZ7317 AND complied 4 4 / L•' ,. ,i - alr ui E —24. aNII3 EAsl ITII be, `• CAS a alvlauzlibta.TxoN. I. , ,,kik.3* c t of this Bill is as,its name and to form-fir qtr:a'ttion between the Blackburn and Preston and the Th a, .1 ( . • . , k ii e p *shire. Railways. ,k, arliarnentary agents are Messrs. Dyson and Hall, -1 4 t1.,., 4r3 . Parkes and Co. , r 4. ' 3 4 ttill 'tile 'standing Oidees were couiplied :with. GAS I ', oli' °Nr ZIifiIITSHIRE'DIEDZikei.2rn. • pro `t• 41 - '04 1 ' 4... et of this Bill was to make a line' from the p ine \ I • 't , 'Somers t and Weymouth Railway at Fro . , 1 '1 3 ? ' lt?t li h i q of Somersete to- the Bristol . and at Ex t e h t e er n ß ig a h il: t h kt• ' wi l i -- ' Atiu'ttati„, oh It will form a junction ents. The : h g ite t '; aeol a Mr. J. R. Hill is the engineer, and Messrs. dart,t tos , rnford are the ParliamentaFy being I -ta. -- I s 360,0004 the length.of the line thirty. 4 t :,,, w h ‘ ‘ * hie ll 4 t 114:Z4.soveral objections raised 'to this Bill: The ''lti, citai i 7 Qat distinctly referred to any fixed point— i4`l4l, 11.4 td. -441 was fatal to another Bill, before 1,, th bie r , i h es notice . were t:,:fait‘tt'inl4ine, , o ns P e r c o v o i f e s nce of Of aer , t v l! ce e . a nf bsence of one NJ', ' 4: 34 4 e ,',out a certificate was produced_ to show that. 4" N - e - kilo,: acColitit• of illness. It was said, that i _ eie „ 4 ' N - 1 , 41 `t li,.'l:cit acknoWledgments of the service o d f t t h hEd ' r to fi t i *thir '4lnced, and ultimately it was agree stand ~ gli. _ 4 "scia)‘.. 44 4 other difficulties, the case should s 4I , ''..14... kt 0 le p„ 4 . - 1,V.,.. ' 1 ti 0 ' r tle3 tu ' 4 STEIL.V AND vircomnim• le , 6 .e ". "'ls Lill not being in attendance, the case ix-,,i, N hi ),, - toe 4 adjourned to Monday next . ott *5."'",.."..._...„...............,,........ , Yk • - - ii•XET and CITY NEWS. Iti, t ' zit s 41 1) f . , k;l,7The N t CITY, THURSDAY EVENING. i, I N P h ‘inex, -4 D , et; c „' 1437 lqatket remains in the same unsatisfactory tN4N -8 e, •'eeted ~-'nMercial discounts, in consequence of the cer t 1),,,,r;:5tb,1,4`iT4c1 unnatural state of things produeed by the 1 ' I rl,qt „'''rth. ( „, 43 ' dePosit s As matters now stand, the dis ,"l:4 ' " , ie i t li .: oen, -t,"ntry in • he said to be literally under the 'hi' It i - "qin ''' et gland a and for the first time since the pa.s ttt 'I ii t t. ' ali t , g Acts h ' b 4 l " 4 b a c'st ne w' . (1 ,! ~ 'llie ~the th ess tO say that this is a state of things for the principle come into 7 , t0 atitii.7ed,„_ etit 1 9u gheut the coeutry were' not prepared, nor A b ' 14 14 , ,".ally „'irctinistan had they any right to expect it. , 4. *1 t-q.,',1,11(1'11,,Q th"l le e , l4 ! l . ed that s as soon as the railway deposits k ,, S th rjet o , s ~_ their 4,...._,Mtan.t-Gen ral, all the difficulty was got iy i la, tr, u, Icobtioe oluiCi)elediate investment in public securities a short time been 1111, ithlif tt , ti o tr p ' th e e ti r t e :t se rr i ih e d vo ro c a t n h ti a c t i pa h t ad e th fu a r tcircumstances would ees from so investing their 'a 'l4la the ~,° t• the t 3 :l l4 Yinki the c°aurrct ial• interest prostrate at the ti. :ircn„.-1i..4,,k birreetors of the i ßa e nk of England. However ‘le t,, "1 4 4 4trati,;hrkes widelet,e, play be to extend accommodation, as far , i:. e ti,, , ,, ,' tii w o i r i i i,-,Lry . them, it is utterly impossible that such a ‘.e, !the, in olak, us. , 0_ satisfactorily throughout the country, sup ' .4' ev eru .the p r .„.' i I all the appliances furnished them by their L ',Zeou n Vhst an , 'iota It is doubtful however, if the Directors ,' Th at 4 ait 3 , e axercising thei i • e ower for the benzflt i l ke, th, D. ei.,n,....,,.__. .r mm nse p pr.441 4 1 1 , 1e .,_ w e 4 ,,,, e _ owen tounder t, te m , '''e orre' v 'slotial - C -m " iy ' 1, 0 he a D rea ta e , committees of some of the railway Com -137, ~ , ,thr, per cent., tmuk their deposits, at a rate of interest not 1 4 4 t! " m ll t l l l 'at this f 7.,5 , tx months certain, or even a shorter I nt th e i ,' g oem ;" ,, r the Directors have declined. New, Zh, twic e r th i nk '' it would have removed all uncertainty i etm . tL fl y , is a , a na ian tlie control of the money in ~., fr,,,..411,1 4 , , _%crn . „ 4 ~.. Whi ch uncertainty, without such an as i,,'' p.: •it I,`,`, 44 lrit a to 7 a cane for the Bank reStricting their „7 i t „etts,., e , rue thim fl ell shun. periods as they have been hitherto t‘k 4 ," 1, 1 0 , t tend e f ' Yesterday and to-day the Directors have in 4 1 1 , le c ad ' thei r „1 , t , ner eh ( 4 . ' to un _ commouation OH loan and discount to a 7rilt is li a n r i,ts to enter days: but that is too short a time to 6, l t i t 1 their ec „; . . 1 .411 busineer.l9tor the most ordinary engagements, and n I'4 l ' 4 ,, 4 4 okt?r ien ti ° l ' the 14rTellts4 Xa n t r o b ;gs eu s r a e rt i le c s o Lt s ve P c t re o dit • 1,,,,tit, ties, L ' l ta, dn ek - ...."'neY is not to 'b e obtained P on any terms on b qi 1 , , .1, btitine, wai'rants, &c., the discount houses that usually A t in th )14 ent or s bolig completely a , a stand-still. At the iiii a 3, e pre,., the railway dno -it • the banks of '1 4"4 th e ' le " 1 ' 4 4 left them{ .-i'' S WRS , m ade, L i n', „ tro„ restrictions ' se.ves Hale room for further ea t." 44tea,.. that F ew . c _ l'r'POSed by the Banking Acts preclude 4 , ~.._._.,1 i,,,. e y . .. 1 The matter has indeed - beeoi ne so serious Ha s s ,si" tt i . uti, nn hi s" , r , e tliti, te ,he of Ministers. who, to do Clem a „ tr . °f rll.. ~."1 " , 7 1 other persons have et mon coutemplated es, bs, oi th e a n te , ' -.- • al 11 ‘ ce of all speculatibn in commercial In ' l O l' 4/, I'g I. 4 the " ai --------------- ,1 1 ,_ Corti,/ LANYS,--.The meeting at Had '4l 7 - 2_ 1.9. 1 x, t i le ‘ (Rat has bOeen stuninoned by the Protectionist ' , la to be tlietnsuizcernent of the Ministerial measure. Amami., IMPERIAL PA RLTAM NT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Friday, Feb. 13. At Five o'clock, neither thcb Lord Chancellor nor the E,rl of Shaftesbury being in attendance, . . Lord BROUGHAM. inquired if there cvas any ob- . jeetion to L rd D nman offieiatinm instead? N": 1 being talten bv their Lordships,. Loi.l DEN - m t , ok his seat ou.the Woolsack. FRO.IEC LION TO AGRICULTURE. • Earl SOMERS presented two petitions from occupiers of land, and other persons residing inthe countyof Here ford, against the proposed withdrawal of agricultural protection. The'petitioners stated they were appreliiii sive that great evils would, in consequence, fall not oily on'the agricultural interest, but on as classes of her Maj , sty's subjects. ADMINISTRATION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE. The order of the day was then read for going ii:to Committee on the Administriition of Criminal Justice Bill. The Bill then passed through Committee; and. the report w•asti brought up and agreed to. RAILWAYS. The Earl of REDESDALE presented a petition, complaining that several names were attached to raj,- way schemes which were not sanctioned by the parties whose names Were thus attached. He considored•that in a matter of such vast importance the standing orders in Committees ought to be carefully attended to and enforced by their Lordship. He (Lord Redesdale) would Auggert that where names were attached to any such scheme, security should be given that the: parties had actually given their consent to such pro positions. The Earl of DALHOUSIE then rose to move tho adoption of the resolutions contained' in the second. report of the Lords' Committee. on. Railways. He had! to move that certain alterations should -be made: in the standing orders 219, 220, and 224, in order to facilitate the passing of certain _Bills, which were t‘i originate in that House during the present session. The Noble Earl then entered into a detail of the altera tions intended. (These have been already given in the resolutions inserted 'in oir Thursday's paper.)— Agreed to. The. Earl of CLARENDON wished to ask his NohIP Friend the Secretary for Foreign ,Affairs whether he • would have any objection, to. lay on the table any correspondence between himself and the Spanish Govern ment on the subject of Cuba sugar? , The Earl of ABERDEEN said that he could. not have any objection to produce the correspondence re ferred to. Their Lordships then adjourned until Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Friday, Feb. 13. The SPEAKER took the Chair at a few minutes before Four o'clock. PETITION FROA THE CITY-CORN-LAWS. The Sheriffs of London Messrs. Chaplin and Laurie, appeared at the bar, clothed in their insignia of office, and presented a petition from the Lord Mayor, aldermen, and citizens of London, in Common Council assemble d, in which, after stating their approbation of the general policy pursued by her Majesty's Ministers with respect to the commercial interests of, England, regretted that the total repeal of the corn-laws was to be delayed for a period of three years. NEW WRIT. A new writ was moved for by Mr. BERESF I ORD, for North Nottinghamshire, in the room of Ilenry Gaily Knight, Esq., deceased. RAILWAY BUSINESS...; Lord DUNCANNON brought up the report on the Manchester, Matlock, and Buxton Railway Bill, which was ordered to be read a first time. • The following Railway Bills were read a.second time, and ordered to be committed :—Wakefleld, Pontefract, and Goole Railway (Methley, Askern, and Oaken haw branches) ; fioth4ham, Barnsley, Wakefield. Huddersfield, and Goole Railway ; Leeds and Bradford Railway (alteration of levels in Bingley). Mr. STRUTT broughe under the notice of the House the fact that several petitions for private Bills had been received by the House in cons'equence of some irregu larity which they contained having . been overlooked. There were several instances where the standing order, 11l A, had not been complied with. • Mr. GREENE gave a notice of motion to the effect, that in all cases of private Bills no petitions should be received unless' they had been' prepared and' properly signed by the parties themselVes. • ." Mr. ENTWISLE said, that complaints had fre quently been made of the, operation of the standing orders in referenee to matters of a minor-and very trivial nature, and parties were often put to enormous expense. by being compelled' to atfend here, and then.; all that was lost by reason of the Bill being thrown out upon some matter of a very trifling nature, and they were told that they had been defeated by a non-compliance with the standing orders. With regard to what the Hon. Member for Lancashire had s.id, he would just make this observation, that the number of petitions was so great that it was quite impossible for this House to take cognizance of the con tents of the whole of them. It would be well, there fore, if some measure were introduced to prevent this useless expenditure of thousands of pounds before a Bill had passed the standing orders. Mr. STRUTT said his observations did not apply to the Standing Orders' Committee, but to the omissions of this House. Mr. E. ELLIS said that much inconvenienee had visen by reason of the vague manner in which the standing orders required the notice of a Bill to be in serted in the " first part" of the petition, without defining the particular part. _ _ _ Mr. GISBURNE said he could not at all understand on what grounds his Hon. Friend had submitted his motion to the House. The House itself had established certain rules, and they were neither few or unimportant, with which all public companies were compelled to comply. He belie►ed they amounted to about 120 or 130, the slightest infringement of any one of which was suffi cient to cause the rejection of their petitions ; and now there were petitions presented to them by parties who had only two standing orders to comply will). He thought it, therefore, extremely unreasonable to ask for this indulgence in the House, with out any notice having been given of the intention to present them, although they concerned property to a very large amount, and when in fact the House knew no more about them than if they had just dropped from the clouds. He could see no reason for assenting to the proposal of his Hon:Friend,and if his motion was persisted in, he should certainly divide the House ageinst him. Sir W. HEATHCOTE begged to explain that the resolution upon which the Committee had acted wits one which had been imposed by the House. It was not founded upon any general apprehension of the standing Orders, but was a specific direction of the 111th clause. Although many directions of the standing orders were general in their character, yet, whenever any particular rule of proceeding was to be observed, it was ,114-arly laid down, as was the ease in No. 9. The Com mit'ee, therefore, could not dispose of this case, and he conceived the lion. Member for Di rby was perfectly right in repeating it to the House, instead of disposing of it summarily. After a few observations from Sir GEORGE CLERK and Mr. GISBORNE, which did not reach the gallery, Mr. R. HODGSON said if the parties referred to had made a mistake, they might petition the House to allow them to rectify it. The case was precisely similar to one which occurred in the House a few nights ago.. The 27th order required that a list of the assents and dissents to a Bill should be delivered to the Clerk for Private Bills, who wits desired to endorse the fact of their receipt on the hack of them. In the case to which he referred,, this ,endorsement had been omitted. The parties petitioned the House to permit them to rectify the mistake, which was granted. The case was perfectly analagous, and the parties in this case might adopt the same course. The report was then ordered to lie on the table. Sir JOHN YARDE BULLER presented a petition against the Birmingham and Leicester Railway Bill. Mr. BARRY BALDWIN presented a petition against the Direct Union Railway Bill. Mr. VILLIERS gave notice, that he should, on Wednesday next, move for a return of any direction of the Peor-latv Commissioners for the incorporation of the parish of Farnham, in Surrey, with other parishes in a poor-law union, and the copy of any memorial that may be presented against it. LORDS 'OF THE ADMIRALTY. Mr. FERRAND gave notice that he would, on Mon day next, put a question to the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government, (if he should then be in office)—(A laugh)—whether it was his inten tion to fill up two offices lately vacated—he' alluded to the offices of Lords of the Admiralty—(Laughter):L-- as, in the event of his not doing so, he (Mr. Ferranti) should move that the offices be abolished as being quite useless to the countrr.—(Renewed laughter.X LANDLORD AND TENANT.- Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORI) gave notice of his intention to put-a question to the Right Hon. Baronet the First-Lord of the Treasury, as to whether it was the intention of Government to propose any measure on the subject of landlord and tenant in Ireland. MERCHANT SEAMEN'S SOCIETY. An HON. MEMBER inquired whether it was the inten tion of Government to bring forward any measure in the present session in referenbe to the Merchant Sea men's Society, as the matter had been strongly rt com mended to the consideration of the Legislature by two Committees appointed on tl.e subject? Sir G. CLERK replied that he had been for some time in communication with some of the most eminent merchants on the question, and he hoped in a few dap; to be able to give a satisfactory answer to the question. Mr. FORSTER said he had uo - . doubt the petition spoke the sentiments of the Ship-owners' Society. Ho must, however, protest against these parties coming for: ward in the way they had dune of late, and stating that they spoke the sentiments of the great body of ship owners. That society had been invariably oprsed to relaxation.—(Cheers.) He was not, however, opposed. to discussion on the subject of which they complained, as the more they eatered into filo in ve,tigation they found that they had no reason to com plain. Mr. LIDDELL said he was not desirous of bringing on a discussion then, but he could not allow the re marks of the Honourab'e Member for Berwick to pass without a reply. It was his intention to make a mh stantive motion to the effect that the petition beprinted, when it would stand before the House on its own basis. The ch;lir ' man of the General Society of i-hipowners had signed the petition. and he believed it expressed the opinions of the whole' of the members of that body. It was a matter of little conse quence to him whether Hon. Members said the petition was got up or not.—( Hear.) By .printing it, it would be placed before their observation. He should take an early opportunity of re ferring•to the subject. • Mr. WALL said he was prepared to support the allegations in the petition. • The petition was then ordered to be printed. RAILWAY DISTURBANCES. Mr. JAMES asked the Right for.. Part. the. Secre tary of State, if he had received any official account of a savage affray which had taken place it Penrith; in the county 'of Cumberland, between a numeer of Irish labourers, who were armed with knives, sticks, and other weapons;' and to such an extent had this been carried, that it had been difficult, with the assistance of the yeomanry cavalry, to preserve the peace of the district. Sir J. GRAHAM said he bad received nn official information on•the subject. Mr. EWART wished to ask the Right Hon. Gentle man the President of the Board of Trade, 'whether he had taken into his considerati , )n the necessity of obliging railway companies to make some provision to prevent the recurrence of such acts, and • thus to protect the public against the injuries likely to . be sustained, by baying some hundreds of these labourers scattered over the country. Sic G. CLERK made a remark across the table, which was inaudible in the gallery. . • • . WESTMINSTEIi.BRIDGE. Sir R. INGLIS said he had given notice of his inten tion to put certain questions relative to Westminster bridge and the w Palace at Westminster. At the close of the last session of Parliament he put several questions upon these subjects. . The Right. Hon. Gentle. .man the First Lord of the Treasury then said he bad receivectcertain communications on this subject. He now wished to ask w hether tho e communications comprised the amount of money which . had been expended in the repairs of the.bridge, if such a word could be applied to such an object ; and whether the Government were prepared to appoint a Committee, or object to the appointment of a Committee, upon the subject? Mr. CARDWELL said 'that the subject had been carefully and fully 'considered by the Right Ho nourable Gentleman at the head of her Majes ty's Government, and, after considering the report' of the Commissioners who had the care of Westmin ster-bridge, he did not think that there was sufficient' reason fOr building a new bridge. Instructiomi,lhowever, were given to the Commissioners to inquire into the state of the bridge with respect to its security. The re port of the Commissioners did not recommend any alter ation in.the bridge, nor did it recommend any further steps to be token. Under these circumstances, seeing that ample oare had been taken with reference to the safety of the public, he (Mr. Cardwell) h , sped the Hon. Bart. would not think it necessary to move for a Committee. Sir R. H. INGLIS. was .not at liberty to say more than that he thought the answer most unsatisfactory. ! He would now, however, ask when it was likely that the New. Houses of Parliament would be ready to be occu pied ? He did not: mean , the room Inily in which the Legislature was to meet, but the committee-meeta eee see F aro or tne minding. He wished to .know when they would be able to have their accommodation in the new Houses of Parliament—not merely into the room where they were to sit, but also when the other apart ments w uld be in a state of readiness ; if the expectation which had been held out, that the new Houses wonld be ready at the commence ment of the session of 1837, would not be realised? He would also wish to know4hether her Majesty's Govern ment would consent to appoint a Committee to ascertain the cause of the delay? Mr. CARDWELL—I have some reason to entertain a doubt that the expectations with regard to the readi ness of the new Houses at the commencement of the session of 1847 may possibly not be realised.— (Laughter.) I am aware that some causes of delay have occurred with regard to them, and in consequence of those causes some postponement nsay take place, but I can assure the Honourable Gentleman that every exertion will be made to bring the works. to a completion without any unnecessary delay... And I hope, in answer to the hist part of the Ron. Gen- 1 tleman's question, that should the Houses not be in a state of...readiness at' the expected time, he will not ap 'point the Committee to which he referred. Mr. COLLETT begged to ask the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the H3me Department if the statements which had lately appeared in the public (papers in reference to an alleged loss which the revenue i had sustained by a flaw discovered ,in the recent Corn 'Act were true, and .if so, what course the Crown in tended to adopt in reference to the parties concerned ? Sir J. GWAHAM said that different constructions ;had been put on the Act in question. The first ch cision. ,was in favour of the Crown. The parties afterwards appealed from that decision, and by the judgment of the Judges in. the Court of Exchequer, that decision has reversed. Now, whether the case would proceed further he was not prepared to say ; but the case, as tated in the newspapers, was considerably exaggerated. It was then agreed that the Home at its rising, hould stand adjourned till Monday . . 1 - CORN-LAWS. Lord MORPETH presented a petition, numerously 'signed, in favour of a total and immudiate . repold of the corn-laws. i f Mr. RAIKES CURRIE presented a petition from Northamptonshire in favour of a total and immediate tepeal of the corn-laws. SPOONER, presented a petition against the abolition,ol the corn-laws. I Mr. HUME presented several petitions from dif-: ferent plaCes, - one of which was from the linen manu facturers of Reading; praying for a total and immediate repeal of the . corn-laws. The petitioners stated that the Legislature afforded no protection to their trade,. and they, therefore, did not think it was just to protect agriculture. Mr. L tkI3OUCHERE presented a petition to a similar effect. Mr. B. SMITH presented a petition from the city of Norwich to the same tffect. I Sir J. M'TAGGART presented a petition to _the Same effect. An Hort. MEMBER presented twelve petitions from ampshire in favour of protection to agriculture. Sir W. HEATIICOTE presented a petition, pray rig for total and immediate repeal of the'corn-laws. Mr. AGLIONBY presented a numerously signed pe ition from the inhabitants of Cockermouth, in which he petitioners stated that, although the proposal of Go ernment was in many respects defective, yet 0 : whole they looked upon it as a good measure; and they herefore prayed the House to pass it into a law. He ad also another petition from the inhabitants of "Egre ont, in Cumberland, praying for a total and immediate epeal of the corn-laws:" Mr. E. BARRINGTON presented a petition in favour f agricultural protection. Mr. G. BANKES said he had a petition to present rom the inhabitants of the county of Dorset. That ietition was egreed to at a public meeting of that ounty, regularly convened after a long notice, and the .eeting was of so extensive a nature, that no hall in the ounty-town, or street in that county-town, was capable o contain the nuniber of those who attended.—(Minis erial cheers.) The consequence was, that they ad urned to a plain without the town, and at that meet r g the petition which he was about to present was greed to. Mr. POULETT SCROPE presented several petitions n favour of a total repeal of the corn-laws. Mr., B. ESCOTT presented several petitions from buffo!): in'support of the Government measure, with the • xception that they prayed the repeal of the corn-laws sight be immediate. Sir A. BROOKE presented a petition from Lanqi c le,lti avour of a repeal of the corn-laws. Mr. PHILIP MILES presented a petition frem the unty of Devon against the commercial policy of the i. overnment, and stating that the present corn-laws had :ntirely answered the end for which they were pro ; used, and praying that no alteration be made in them. Mr. BRIGHT presented petitions from the county of 1 urban' and Wiltshire in favour of a repeal: of the trn-laws. - Sir R. PEEL presented a petition in favotir of the ovelnruent measure, from Sunninghill ; also (me from ifeshire, for a total repeal of the corn-laws. •. ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the order of the day for the adjourned Debate wing read, Sir HOWARD DOUGLAS said that he was sure ießight Honourable Gebileman at the head of her : tajest - y's Government would understand his objec ttoo,aremns the blhai e t nhd o t tpi uniformly or the pon stoeefioiintention :measureoavn,rotti protectingdst ow n vs w a.oi tnaaees sg b t iregifa:noguri against cunasr t n h te t.e repeal 1 e t the measure h o iti u ehm 7 s . ep e s e r . t c a eao s sn u recn r n l e ei lams in the. House, and he (Sir Howard Douglas) had no 1 4 ason to regret his having done so, although he' had re-considered all he had said and heard stated on that Measure. He had nothing to regret, except that he could tlmy imperfectly speak his sentiments on that subject, to s hich he had given his most dispassionate con4dera on. He could not, in consequence, concur in the measure of the Right lion. Baronet, on which he would tke leave to make a few observations. It was true there was a stop put to the exportation of British and Irish produce in the year 1844. The period which the Right Hon. Baronet had taken was that of the lowest depression, he meant the year 102. It was very material to inquire what were the causes of that depression. He believed that the solution viould be found in the system which prevailed in their reanufactUres, and the extension of • mechanical pOwar ; but with respect to the corn-laws the Bight Hon. Baronet had himself admitted that no alteration ,of the corigraTvii - votild remedy evils in separable 'froth the commercial system he had already referred to. Thus, .he-: admitted that the corn laws were not the cause of the depression. In 1844 the exportation to foreign countries was not se great as in many years. With respect, for instance, to Russia, it was greater in 1837, and as regarded France, the case was nearly similar. He should be sorry to attempt the repeal of protection, or the relaxation of restrictive duties. When he first appeared in Liverpool, and avowed the principle of pro tection, he admitted his readiness to alter and 'modify it so as to make it of advantage to the generai interest, and as little hurtful as re s sible to 'individual rights; but he was now called upon .not .to modify or surrender protection, but abso lutely to extinguish it. Protection had never been tie voted to the interests of any particular class of persons, and 'far less had it been devoted to the interest, of any class 'which he had the honour to represent. It was his principle to protect all classes of artizans without diatinclion—to protect labour when the labour .market was in that state of severe de pression which it so frequently experienced. When he perceived the Government about to rush into a measure by which native industry, unprotected, was Made to compete with the protected industry of foreign states, without even much capital to protect it, he felt it necessary to enter his protest. He was not going to discuss the relation—if there was indeed any relation—between the price of food and the price of labour. 'H e would not take up much time; he would leave the question in abler hands, but he was p er f ect l y conv i nce d 'that a repeal of the corn-law would displace the produc. tions of 'British manufactures in every rearkut in the world to which the British merchant had access. Ile found another_ retnatjtahle deduction from the poi - yer to which he had referred, and that was fit I unlimited importation of corn did not by any - • wails VICH s held Fester o'clock, rd ...-- r a etary to reitt s the half' lade at ,the le mortgage cept 4, on Lban d oo ed on that the Omar Away Om d been oohr :eived, which the batikebe R i re s hould a t the (.; ok 'jell a balanc e )21 . 95. 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' erY ,std ti eing jotter to p o st. iin9- n W C rV e r , d t o tte r . • .4 - • .- THE S jub.N 14,' ONIg ON SA. TIT R 1/4 0 0 6 Wolk Ni c l _E hitt TJ kitir 14, 184 A I. " ' 7 - prod a uce coternporaneous exportatten i ditarifft ( diure . The fact; 'then, was, that it W'aitii"lie't if.B .l aWarent from this statement that the traiiii of .the axiom, thlt England was England's best cuatomer, forced itself upon their minds, and that the great cause of their resent l prosperity was the activity of the home markeii. He would now say a few w or d s upon the dis advantagebOs position in which free-trade laws would place this country. He would 'ttzle would the position of the country besuch as the Hon. Member opposite had depicted ? Would it alter their position in respect to France or Germany or the United States ? They had often - evinced a disposition tower S France to relaX the English 'tariff, but the resat was only to make France enforce her protection with a • still more stringent hand. The United States would clothe same, for he would contend for it that every President of the United States, from Washington down, had evinced a disposition for protection ; and Mr. Polk's last Message stated that he would be prepared to recommend a reasonable amount of prottetiec. He thought it was necessary ti take every precaution before they made this great alteration—to make evi ry trial for improving the condition of the country before they male this Plutsge. For what were they about to dts ? They were about to enter into a competition with • hostile tariffs—nut with hostile tariffs, tor, indeed, no tariff's could be hostile—but with rival tariffs. And the effect of that competition would be to reduce the 'products of British industry rand British labour, which was the chief eomponent in the value of those projects, not to the level, but above the level, of foreign articles. The liberality was to be all on this side of the water, for it could hardly le supposed en st foreigners would purchase articles of British production in their own markets, at a higher price then those of their own , manufactures, when of equal quality. If, instead of the scheme now laid tiavre tbe.liouse,_ and which he could designate in no other way that ,to say the )bast of it, as the height of imprudence, they hasisloeked to the unlimited resources offered to them in immense variety and exten sion of our foreign possessions, they would have im proved and extended the market without depre ciating its value. But now, by entering into this Competition, they would only prove success ful by rendering British labour , cheaper than it now was. It • was evident that by this reduction of the import ditties they would be reducing the revenue of the country, and they could only restore the equilibrium of its finance by annual grants. He contended that it was not of the slightest interest to lay heavy duties on articles of importation when foreign tariffs acted in is Ni rni la, _ ~rest__ 4,....-..a110 131"141b1I - exportations. Wtat was the tidy:lnt:lgo he wished to know ? He agreed with an observation which fell last night from the Noble Lord who represented the West Riding of Yorkshire, that it was necessary to provide food to an increasing population. The population was increasing to a great ex. tent, and the question then naturally arose how they were to he fed.—( Hear.) His (Sir Howard Douglas) conviction was that if agriculture continued to be protected there world be no difficulty in satisfying the wants of even an increasing population, for he was satisfied that any reduction in the price would be followed by a corresponding reduction in the price of wages and provisions. There was a species of free trade which might be introduced with great advantage amongst ourselves.—(Hear, hear.) When he voted for the Canada Corn Bill, he imagined that the principle on which that Bill was founded would be carried out with respect to other articles produced in our colonies, from which he believed the people of this country would derive great advantage. The inhabitants of the colonies might also derive great advantages, from which they were now shut out, by being a market in which they could sell their produce at the best price it could realise. He believed that Australian corn ought to be admitted on the same prin ciple as the Canada corn ; and he considered that even the Canada Corn Bill should be carried out to a greater extent—it ought to have included Prince Edward's Island.—( Hear, hear.) That Bill (the Canada Corn Bill) was a solemn compact made between this country and Canada, and when the measures proposed by her -- iliajesty's Govern ment should be passed, it would have the effect of im mediately abolishing that solemn compact; and not only —e tt. The mo ment The colonial ;system would it act thus . towards Canada, -hut it wou ld a l so exattiein ngu i l a sl n i nththeincgolmonnitael than sys a system of protection. lf. you abolish the differential duties you release the colonies from the necessity of dealing with the producer of British goods, and also of our dealing with them in return. Their glorious flag might still fly—there might be those who ,would wish to die under that flag in support of their country's rights —that flag under which their ancestors had fallen, but he (Sir H. Douglas) would tell them that their :ships might guard their colonial coasts, and their troops 'might garrison the country, but their colonies would he useless to them. This country would no longer have any right to regulate the commerce of the colonies. Ile. Huskisson's Acts were not free-trade Acts. They had for their object rather the protection of agriculture. He found the colonial trade in a state of , monopoly, and he then brought forward his Acts of 1824, for the regulation of . colonial , trade. The object of his measures was to allow the Colonies to have fiee-trade with other countries that were , independent States, but all free-trade intercourse with the mother country, either circular or They had taken off the timber duties her e .—( H ear . ) N ow , the American colonies laid a tax upon the West Indian produce --they had a perfect system of free trade amongst themselves ; and the German States had also a free trade amongst themselves, but by a compact they had a protection against the foreign im parts. It could not be denied that the German States pros pered by the protection they had fenced themselves with. We had introduced our cotton manufactures into India, and by so doing we had ruined the native manufactures of that country.—( Hear, hear. ) The manufacturers of this country bad superseded the manu facturers of India, and thereby rendered the price of manufac tured articles in that country mush cheaper.—(Opposition cheers.) Mr. Huskisson,in a speech which hg delivered in that House on the Bth April,, 1826, clearly pointed out the gre t dangers which this coun try would render itself liable to by snaking itself dependent upon foreigners for the supply of corn, The Hon. Gentleman here read an extract from the speech in question to the foregoing effect, stating that from 1%5 up to the period of the war, we had been to a considerable extent dependent on foreigners for the supply of food—that we had paid sixty millions of money for a scanty supply of Corn ; and - yet, though we had parted with our gold and silver Currencies, Europe had shut its ports against this country, and America laid an embargo en its produce, and went to war. The statesman to whom he (Sir H. Douglas) alluded, further stated, that if this country was' made to depend for food on foreign nations, improvements would stand still, inferior lands would go to waste, and the nation be.subjected to general de cline. He (Sir. H. Douglas) considered they should protect the colonies so as to provide for their safety and defence: • - Honourable ' Members 'should never isten to the' theory which would put an end to dalonial protec- I ) ion, on which depended the safety and commercial ascendaney f Great Britain ; and least of all isheuld.they listen to repre entations evincing disregard to the nation's security and eace, and maritime ascendancy in war.—( Hear, hear. ) e alluded not to what other nations were now doing. He believed.they had a sincere desire to cultivate th e rel a ti ons . 13 , H eace • still he was sure th a t th ose powers , t h oug h they. had rio immediate intent i on of going to war with this country, had io'la i n t e ntion, whenever a a f avoura bl e opportun i ty occurre d i n he future, of giving it a stab, th e i r u lti ma t e o bj ec t b e i ng deprive Great Britain of th e d om i n i on o f the sea e felt that he had trespassed long upon the House—(Cheers, and cries of " No, no") but he hoped and expected that his . Right Hon. Friend,Avho was as d evo t e d t o th e i n t eres t s o f th e Ountry as his judgment and his experience enabled him to be, Would see grounds for changing his opinion.—(Hear, hear.) sincerely did he hope that the opinions which he (Sit Howard Douglas) professed might turn out to he erroneous, but under the strong conviction that this measure cannot be carried out with advantage to the British labourer, and that agriculture will be injured, and that manufactures or Commerce would not be improved, he would give his vote against the measure.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) In some r4espects he ( Sir H. Douglas), reluctantly opposed the Bill ; but. on the whole, he gave a confident, conscientious, and coe xistent vote against it, for it appeared to him that the measure was an unnecessary and dangerous experiment. It appears it Was a movement from which there was no retreating, and on it depended in a great measure the prosperity, the wealth, the honour, of this - great country or its utter ruin ,--(The. dawn amidst loud cheers.) Lord .— m that on appearing before the House (v.rt a ih n Le d L. Hi oEI the 4 sGgle said, d l:an qn that occasion it was his intention to express his views as briefly as possible. - s Hear.) Was not every person in that Mouse aware that protection would always remain a subject rif contention, and could he conscientiously support a principle df that character ? He would be bound to say, bat whatever Opinions he had entertained upon this question 'at a forme]: period had been completely changed by the experience of the last few years.—( Hear, hear, ironical cheers,- and cries of 'r Oh, oh.") He would repeat that the experience of the last f*w years had established beyond'a:clouht that this law was ne longer necessary to the prosperity of the country. He, was opposed to the opinions advanced on the last night by the Honourable Baronet the Member' . for .:Rutlandshire, that the prosperity of . the last ,few years and the abundance of capital, originated not in the - measures of the Right Honourable Baronet, but in the good harvest and the employment afforded by railways. He (Lord tilliers) contended that railways had, not given birth to capital, but that capital had given rise to railways. He con tended further that the reduction of taxation did not necessarily imply a fall in the revenue. They bad seen the country rise from a condition pregnant with difficulty to a state of comparative prosperity. He should give his most cor dial support to the measure.—(Cheers.) , . ' Mr. F. SCOTT said, that when this measure was first brought forward by her Majesty's Government, he had come down to the House with the hope that he might have given his vo i ce an d: hi s vo t e o a f lwa s y h s e Right Hon oura bl e B aronet , been enabled to afford it his fullest support.— justice to his own principles and the inf erred understanding to oll e e r at e hr ire t measuresteH d e tha h t he was now compelled to du otherwise, in ad with his constituents. Although he had not given any distinct pledges to them, his principles in the year 1846 - would be the very same as those he had avowed when he stood an unsuccessful candidate in the year 1834. In la4l, he addressed them with more success, and he obtained their support. When he again entered that House he main tained the same course from a firm conviction of its rectitude, and a belief that be could not follow a safer leader than the Right Honourable Baronet, whose opinions and ideas on the subject he knew from his childhood, and whom he had always regarded with respect and admi ration. Those feelings had increased the stunning effect which he had felt when he heard that his friend had turned round on all his'former opinions, and had deserted the men who had placed him in his high position.—(Bear,hear.) H e (th e Right Hon. Baronet) had no doubt felt it his duty, and had a firm conviction that it was incumbent on him, to change his course, and to hoist another flag. He ( Mr. Scott) had, how ever, felt it his duty to deliberate what his own course should be. He felt that, although he appeared very miserable when compared to the Right Hen. B aronet in int elligence or saga city, yet he would yield to no m an in his p er ception of his duty to the country His conscience was his guide. He had no one to look to bet himself to guide him in his political r o a f te th fr e om " h t is th m r e ee mory all that course. He gave the Right Hon. Baronet great credit for the sincerity of his conviction in his firmer opinions, and he gave him equal credit for the sincerity of his convictions last 30 years. He would not now. It would be imps Bible for him, in three days, or in years ; and ts r into the labyrinth of past circumstances. He • weuhi, with the permi-sion of the House, give an instance very he disagreed. He attempt t h tet r s e v h e m o: u tir w l d tr e etebookedsehonatnrodd t ake heardin for h a t md r et r ospect.o t r o i n g t h el i t 1 apposi-e to the present occasion. A gentleman possessed of extensive estates in the kingdom of England, and having large property in the St nth of Scotland, was engaged with a commer ceniatierfiedrm the most I able and distinguished counsel, both in the Courts e n y t w4 s s i , ted th t a , t ) ' h a ec s o t m h e ay partners I of Chancery and at Common Law, to defend his case. o in n to the a cen l i tc nr so t i , t. with an w d hic e h ngaged shared largely T he claim i n his se p t r u o p fi t o t; n , in his firm. Counsel were engaged, and although the plea was lacknowledged to be untenable, the question was argued before , a special jury ; it also had a hearing in the H ouse of Lords. • -The-gentleman in question went 'down to his seats;' tthheereet9onretinthe Mr. SCOTTI with marked emphasis)—lf the Right Hon. Baronet wi-hes to ask me a question, I have no objection. and will resume my seat in order that he may put it to me. The lion. Gentleman then at down. [Sir R. Peel intimated that he did not wish .to put any other question to the Hon. Gentle man, who resumed his speech with much warmth.] I understand the Right Hon. Baronet to ask me for whom I am counsel ? lam the counsel of my own Opinions—l am no delegate in this House.—(Cries of " Order," . and much confusion.) believe Irm free to give my own opinions. I will yield to no man.—( Cheers.) I repeat lam no counsel for any men, for any party or sect—l belong 'to no party.--(Cheers and hi , ses. ) I was proud to follow that party which was led' so worthily by the party pledged to support the 'Constitution, and which was fed by the Right Hon. Baronet himself;. whilst he held that banner 1 was proud to serve under him.. I would be happy to serve under him now, if he would hoist the flag which he has abandoned.—( Two• or three Hon. Members here appeared to remonstrate with the Hon. Gentleman on the warmth of his address.) No! I have spoken too hastily--too warmly —per haps I misunderstood the question ; but lam the counsel of none. Sir R. PEEL—Hear, hear. Mr. SCOTT then proceeded to say that consumption ought to be promoted as far as practicable, in order that the producer might be able to supply his provisions at a reduced price. He was willing to have gone to a considerable length with the Right Honourable Baronet, and if his constituents had differed, with him he should have abided by the result. He contended that the present time, when there was so much railroad accom modation, would be the most advantageous season for a re duction of the protection to agriculture. He hoped the Right Honourable Baronet would have introduced a measure relative to corn of a different nature, both as regards time and price— a measure which would not have offered to the foreign grower anyadvantages over theßritish producer, and would have averting the ruin which he believed the present measure would bring upon the agriculturists of this country. He was persuaded that the present measure would cause a severe blow and discouragement to agriculture, and would tend to diminish, rather than to increase, the price of the food of the population ; and would also produce great distress among the labouring classes. He had the authority of Lord Melbourne, who spoke in terms too deeply impressed on the memories of Hon. Mem bers to make it necessary for him to repeat it ; and that it would tend to diminish the necessaries of life, he needed no better authority than the Hon. Member for Bolton (Dr. Bow ring), who, in the year 1842, argued that protection was ne cessary. At that period the Hon. Member had stated that the consumption of sugar in France was five pounds per head, in the German League four pounds, in other countries of Eu rope two pounds, and in England seventeen pounds per head. In the Prussian League. the consumption of salt was sixteen pounds per head, and in England twenty-two pounds; woollen cloth in the German League was two ells one-sixth; but in England five and a quarter. The quantity of butcher's meat consumed in France was equal to that which would be gained by an Englishman in three days' work, and by a French man in four days labour. The quantity of bread consumed in France was equal to the quantity which could be procured in eight days—in England, seven days. He stated also, the sum of thirty millions sterling had left the country in the time of war to purchase food for the country. He could not refer to a higher authority than the Noble Lord, the Member for London, as to the immediate sufferings, that would be the consequence of the passing of this measure. To his mind the importation of grain appeared one of the secondary principles of this most im • portant measure. The relaxation of the duties on corn had been spoken of as a mere fiscal regulation. In his opinion it was little more than a fiscal regulation which aleniated the United States from this country.—(Hear, hear.) He con sidered the proposed measure as an attempt to destroy the con stitution. The Right Hon. Baronet had taken up with a new course of policy, and had decided on carrying ou t the principles of free-trade. He (Mr. Scott) was de cidedly in favour of free-trade in •the abstract.—( Hear, hear.) A Noble Duke in the other House is reported to have said that he would be glad to know what was meant by a free-trade Go vernment. Now he (Mr. Scott) would also like to know what it meant ? All phi'osophers and political economists in all ages of the world, from Mentor and Telemachus down to the present day, had spoken and Written of free-trade in the ab stract. If, however, it were common sense to speak of this matter in the abstract, then free-trade was an excellent thing ; but he would defy any person to talk sensibly about free-trade, when our domestic affairs and our complex relations with fo. reign countries remained in their present condition. By free trade was to be understood the abandonment of all duties, and the loss of all revenue. Give up the seven millions of customs' duties and the thirteen millions of the excise, and w hat will become of the 50,000,0001. of national income? How will the deficiency in the revenue be made up ? By levying higher window duties, by increasing the property-tax to 30 per cent.,ot by what other means is the deficiency to be supplied? To talk of free trade in the abstract might be good sense, but to speak of it in relation to the economy of this country was, he conceived, to utter nonsense. He had on a former occasion ' supported the removal of duties on the raw material, because he thought such a removal would afford greater facilities for the circulating medium to find its proper level, but he would maintain that it was absolutely impossible to adopt I free- trade in this country, burdened as it was with an amount of debt exceeding 800,000,000/. From these considerations, he thought it was less fair to expect this country could suece'sfully enter into competition with foreign nations than it was to engage a man with a hundred weight on his f shoulders to enter the lists with an opponent who was perfectly ' free and unconfined. A point of very gre a t i m p or t ance i n t h is matter was, the maintenance of public faith. How was it to be expected that our colonies could he maintained if the Right Honourable Baronet's principles w th respect t o th em s h ou ld be allowed to pass uncanyasse i d ? Mr. M'Culloch, a very high authority, had said with respect to the colonies, that ! their commerce ought to be conducted on the prin ciples of the coasting trade.—( Hear, hear.) This policy, however, was far different from that which had been proposed by her Majesty's- Government. It was to entertain the produce of foreign nations duty free, while our colonial produce was being loaded with taxation. The colonies had been sadly neglected. No 'Mention was ever made of them ; and when any measure in which by chance they might be can cernecl was brought before the House, it was passed with DO , - • - -- • - -- - - . . he found . those i n E ng l an d no t very well managed, Int-these further observation or notice than the passing of a Bill to make in Scotland most effectively Conducted,. every person on .the a new road would call fora In this country there Has, per estate, however, was content, and their prosperity was greater haps, an area extending to upwards of 120,000 square miles— than for many years heretofore. The cause was, set -for a in our colonies there was an extent of 2,200,000 Scpssre special day in Westminster. But the gentleman, on arriving . miles ; the population of this country was '20,000,000, and in London, found that his leading counsel had returned his fee population of our colonies exceeded 209,0(0,009. This to the attorney, and had thrown up his brief. The case came was a large interest to 'gambl e for.—(Hear; hear.) ln' tile on in Wertminstcr, and judge of his surprise .when he found Speech from the Threneit had been stated, that it was neces that the same counsel was arguing on the opposite side, Sir, ; sary that the arcs e and navy should be increased, for :the said he, you •are mistaken, you were retained on: my side. . exigencies of the State required it ; but was this al - me to Oh ! no, replied the other, it is quite true 1 was on yosr side, , come down to that House, when colonial trade was beingin. and I argued your question for a long time until 1 obtained the terfered with, to ask for an: increase in th se estimates ? It highest position in the State, but during yetis-absence I - have • was a dangerous experiment to try to alienate the affections of given particular attention to the subject, and lam convinced the col nies from the mother .countrye It wee not passible to that it is qu to impossible to maintain your else.. I there- continue protection to colonial produce, and at the same time fore give it up. He went to the other Queen's counsel, and : tell the producer that protection was unnecessary. If you he said, I have also, changed my mind, and I will give you ' meet the English grower' r with a disadvantage when no further satisfaction.—Cheers.) He went to the he came to sell, he . certainly ought not to be re junior counsel, and he replied, Oh, my leaders have received with a disadvantage when he came to purchase. changed their minds, it is my duty tofollow them.—( Laughter-) The same principle would apply with respect to foreign But this was really trifling with the time of the House. How- trade, as far as deferential duties were concerned. There was ever, as he had said before, he would not quote extensively another matter to which he wished to refer. The colonist from Hansard, or search those volumes for charges of Moon- would complain that his produce was taxed when it entered sistency. He knew the difficulty of public men, and could our ports. He would be told it was necessary, in order to make allowances for them ; but he would call atter,- support a revenue. The colonist would reply, you have no tion to the opinions of some men of the greatest right to tax my produce at so high a rate, when you admit talent that tl,e country ever _possessed. lie would ' foreign prod uce d u t y f ree. L et j ust i ce b e done to a l l.— ( H ear, quote the opinions delivered by Honourable Members in ' hear.) Leave the colonies to shift for themselves, and he this House during the last three weeks, and he would then ! (Mr. Scott) would maintain that the policy which was being leave the House to judge, from his simple statement, of the ; pursued by the present Government ens more likely than any nature of the shifts to which some men could have recour se i n ' thing else to lead to the dismemberment of this empire. order to justify their measures, but which he (Mr. S.) con_ He would tell the Right Hon. Baronet that he was counsel ceived could re c eive no j ust ifi cat i on , On t h e 27th January i n for the interests of Great Britain. The fact was, that they the present year, the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her had been enlightened with wh at h a d b een ca ll e d a grea t mora l Majesty's Government st a t e d i n hi s speech—( Cries of tt Ord er , t rut h , but which was in reality a great n oral problem. The order")—that he congratulated the _country upon i ts i ncrease d , abstract theory.of free trade was a beautiful thing. He ad prosperity—a Order, order)—and on , t h e 9th F e b rua ry th e , mi re d and delighted in it, but he could consider it in ' no other Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State l l light tha n as a cobweb sparkling with dew drops glittering in Mr. E. BULLER. rose to order. He said the Hon. : the sun.—( L aughter. ) He was still of the same opinion as Member was quite, out of order, for if, he understood the rules 1 whesnupheport the announced his rellso,lnuotiuorna,woen Baronet. former occasion, The m o not re of the House, he believed one of them was to this effect. that it i to wonid be order for a ny Hon, M em b er t o re f er t o a 1 hwerheeathnseirdebreedeotnhesidesruebdjetchte t q h u e es g ti r o e n at i e n r it a s p h peared , the t d h a7e a r - . speech delivered be any other Hon. Member in the same 1 bearings on e n session —( Cries of hear, hear. ) I lion ' s interest at home or abroad,' or whether he, saw it in its Mr. SCOTT said hehe , was sorry for having done anything 1 relation to our colonial interests, he feared that the come out of order, and he felt obliged for having been corrected. 1 quences would be fraught with evil. - The enestion as to the On the 27th of January the Right Hon. Baronet at the head settlement of the territo r y on t h e ' no r t h -west roast of America I of her Maje s ty' s G overnment h a d expresse d hi s op i n i on th a t was - a difficult one,. and its intricacy and ififtiettley would be the repeal of the corn-laws would in no way have the effect of 1 much further increased if th e p ro p oe d redaction of duties were reducing high w ages . O n t h e 27 t h t h at same Ri g h t H on . carri e d into e ff ec t. O ur po s sess i ons i n C anada would be in Baronet, in a reply to the Noble L or d th e M em b er f or N ewa rk, danger ; at the first oppo r t un ity th e C ana di ans wou ld revolt. had expressed his continued opinion that the effect of the alter- He would read an extract from a letter which he had re ation of the corn-laws would in no way be to cause the ceived from Mr. Buchanan, a gentleman who had ' held a reduction of wages. The Right Hon. Gentleman, the Seers- high situation in her Majesty's Council at Toronto. He says, tary-at- War, who sat by the Right" Hon. Baronet, on the 9th of that no on e w ill d ou b t for a moment that as soon as it is January had expre s sed hi s fi rm opinion that the fallsny ,If Irnnw. th.t. Cauaillau wheat has no longer any protection in cheap Ineed no been exploded.—(Cheers from the protece England, the Canadians will at once demand a repeal of the tionists. ) All this showed to what serious difficulties public land tax, and their corn will h.. transmitted immediately to the men were subjected on great occasions. He was opposed to United States. Any hint from England for a desire of separa anything lik e a croo k e d p o li cy , f or i t o ft en l e d t o a croo k e d ti me w ill b e c h eerfully responded to by the Canadian people. conscience. It was then with exceeding regret he wa s bound If the present protective duties are further interfered with, they to designate the conduct of the Right Hon. Baronet as tor- will immediately think that the British Government had un tuous, crooked, and misapprehensible in the extreme. He scrupulously broken faith with them with respect to the bad always been of opinion that to a man of upright principle, protection guaranteed to their corn and timber produce. of all things, character was of the most value.—( Loud cheers.) He begged pardon for having so long occupied the time of the He deeply regretted that a man's difficulties should tend to in- House, but the document was more important than any words validate his character. When the great changes proposed by the he could address to the House. Did arse gentleman in that Right Hon. Baronet inl 1842 had excited great alarm through- House suppose that if they lost Canada' t heir lo.ses•wouli out the country, and especially in. the county he had end there ? Surely not. If they did not stand to Canada, the honour; to represent, he himself had used the greatest Canada would not adhere to ihem. The West India colonies exertions, not only not to increase, but to allay that alarm. He would follow, and the East Indies—that immense country. had given to that' measure of 1842 his most cordial support, which might be said to comprise eight Englands—would imi for he understood that that was to lee a final settlement. Until tate the example.-- (Cheers.) Was the Right Hon. Baronet a few weeks ago he was prepared to give the same cordial so much ef a free- trader that he would willingly abandon those support to the measure of 1846, if it had been at all in ac- colonies? He doubted whether, although the Right cordance with the declaration in the Queen's Speech, or with Honourable Baronet was a free-trader in the abstract, the assurance of the same Right Hon. Baronet that it would he would practise the principle to the same length as not interfere whh, or injure, great interests.—( Hear.) those be had lately followed. The Noble Lord, who was He, for one, would have afforded the same cordial support on so lately an ornament in that House, and who was now equally the present occasion. The present measure was very cseepre- an ornament in the other—he tneant Earl Grey—that hensive, very bold ; but he doubted whether it was politic as nobleman was a consistent politician. " He disapproved bold, or wise as comprehensive.—(Hear, hear.) There was ~f the corn-laws, but he equally disapproved of the procrasti this difference between the measure of 1842. and the present nation exhibited by the Right Hon. Baronet. if the Right' one ; they both were certainly measures for reduction of pro-• Hon. Baronet had been brought to the opinion that the corn hibitory duties, but then there was this difference—that in laws were no longer desirable, he hada right to avow his opinion; 1842 the reductions and relaxations took place on articles of but then he should have deine so 'in time.--( Great cheering.") raw produce, or articles the produce of other countries, whilst He ought not to have led on his supporters to a certain point, in the present case the reduction was on articles the produce of and then to desert them.—(Confinued cheering.) For what the country, and which consequently would come into corn. reason, he should like to ask, was it that the Right Hon. petition at a disadvantage.—( Hear, hear.) He (the Hon. Baronet so strenuously opposed the motion introduced -by an Gentleman) was no ultra - protectionist, nor ever was. Hon. Member in the early part of last summer: for the intro- He never was of opinion that laws should be duction of Australian wheat ?—( Hear, hear.) If' he had any immutable. lie never believed that it was practicable or de- wish to introduce wheat from foreign countries, surely it was sirable that laws should be so enacted that any benefits to the but fair to introduce the wheat of those countries, which were tenantry should be determined rather by the desire of the not only the allies, but might be stated to be the offspring of landlord than by the requirements of the public.—( Hear, England. However that might be, they knew that in the hear.) He always felt that a restriction of public consumption summer of 1845 the Right Hon. Baronet, not only opposed the on food ought never to acquire the title of monopoly or class measure of the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton, but he legislation, for the purpose of benefiting one class at the ex- equally strongly opposed the motion of the Hon. Member for pease of the other.-(lronical cheers from the Opposition.) Gateshead to bring from a colony sixteen hundred miles off that Believing then such, he had always considered how or why wheat which was now sought to be Obtained in countries a tax on bread was' liable to be called an unjust not distant two hundred miles.--( Hear, heat.) For what tax on. the food of the people.—(Renewed ironical purpose was this?—if it were intended to introduce the pro cheers.) It appeared to him that the s eamount duce of foreign powers, where was the equivalent to this of taxation ought to be such as would give encouragement country ? Whenever they had 1 nvered the duty on foreign pro to the growth of grain to the greatest extent.--,( Hear, hear.) dnce the foreign powers bad as' invariably raised the duty on He was aware how difficult it would be to determine that the produce of England. It seemed to be that in proportion amount.—( Hear, hear.) In his district of the country, where as they lowered th e 'duty upon imports their exports were agriculture was well understood, in the last ten years, not- charged higher duty. What was the case as regarded Prussia? withstanding the di s t ance f rom markets, the high price of That country, i n th e years 1837 an d 1834 ; sen t t h em ore-halfcoals, coals, and badness of th e roa d s , together with increased of the corn consumed, and in 1840 ,they had sent one-third. prices, the • tents had materially increased.—( Hear, Ho w muc h did s h e receive of the exporte d manu f actures of hear, and loud laughter from the Opposition benches.) England and Ireland during these years ? ' Why, the whole He gave the Right Hon. Baronet the entire benefit of this-- amount was only. some 125th part of the total exports of this 1 that notwithstanding the advaneement of wages, that a remu- country. He could, in the same way, enter into long details aerating profit had been afforded to the landowner and to the with respect to other continental nations; 'but he was - afraid labourer, he was fully prepared to have gone with the Right that he had already wearied the House.—( Cheers from the Hon. Baronet in the reduction of the present existing amount protectionists.) But he would wish to ask one question more— of protection.—( Loud cheer;.) He felt likewise that in con- for what purpose was it that they were to lower the duty en sequence of the improvement in communication—in internal grain imported from North America, when they received no communication—thereby facilitating the intercourse between the reciprocal advantages? The Right Hon. Baronet said that his farm and the market, and between different districts, thus de- object was to strengthen the bonds of amity existing between, creasing the expenses in husbandry—the application of the the countries. If the Right Hon. Baronet did not expect by arts of chemistry to the soil, and the spread of intel- this measure to introduce their manufactures 'into foreign ligence improvements in draining through this the countries, by what means, he should like.to know, were they to operations of farming were carried or, at a reduced ex- gain admitta nce ? H e (M r. Scott) knew toely of one way. pense.—(Cheers.) . Entertaining , these opinions (proceeded and that was by an extensive trade in smuggling. He had the Hon. Gentleman), and feeling that the only object of pro- himself seen vessels passing under the guns of Gibraltar, and tection is that there should be an increased amount of home stealing along the shores of the Mediterranean, in spite of growth in this county— . every effort of the Guarda Costa. Did this Right Hon. Sir ROBERT PEEL—Whose counsel are you?—(Cheers, Baronet avow that his object was to gain admittance into those and counter cheers.) . countries by smuggling? - Did he exeect to increase mo ra lity • -•-• • _ . _ ____ at home by acting illegally abroad ? Yet such would seem to be the course that the Right Fidh. Baronet iotended. • This measure appeared to him to be in effect an irritating 'blister which would create a fever at home and weaken the whole system. There was another point en which he •Would touch but very lightly—he meant the different manners in which the great interests of this country had been dealt with. He found that those who had invested the largest amount of capital were the most hardly used—whilst those • who. had invested the smallest amount were the most liberally dealt with. Those Who had property in land, irremovable property, suffered the os,,st, whilst those who had property which could be easily turned into .other channels escaped these. There Was a protection to them of ten or fifteen per cent. He no* addresed himself to the House as a British representative, and he thought that in fairness and justice he ought to give to the agriculturists the same protection that was given to Ore colonies, and to the mannfacturers. They gave the manu facturers a protection duty of ten per cent., whilst they gave the agriculturist a mo c k ery o f protect i on, Whi c h seemed to him intended only to add insolence to injury. In his own district of Rox burgirshire the tenants were:eomparatively•wealthy and intelli gent. They had abundance of capital, and they would not, therefore, suffer so much as others: Those who resided in the Clay lands of the south of England would suffer severely, for, although they were equally honest, equally worthy, they were, Perhaps, less wealthy and less , intelligent. , It 'had been stated that they had unnecessarily whined to the • Right Hon. Baro net, but was that any reason why theywhould be sent to whine in earnest? But this measure was but a part of a system--a bone-crushing system, which had been going on for the last three or four years. Why, the dealers in leather, the dealers in metals and in hardware had just reason to complain, for the Right Honourable Baronet now admitted comparatively duty free the manufactured article, instead-of as formerly con fining himself to the raw material. He (Mr. Scott) had Supported the Right Hon. Baronet's measure of 1842, but he would not give him the credit for the prosperity of the coun try since the passing of that measure. There was an Hon. Member lately introduced into that House, 'sitting on the same bench with him, he meant the Hon. Member for Sunder land—he considered that Hon. Member, although' not a Minister of the Crown, the representative of a great system, which had contributed in no small' degree to the prosperity of this country, and which had enabled the Right Hon. Baronet to take credit to himself for much of that prosperity. They were -aware that at that time a sum of twenty-three millions was circulating throughout the country—a sum much greater than was usually afloat. Did not that circulation give employment to a vast number of the population ? and was not that very circumstance enough to limit crime? He thought that the Right Honourable Baronet was not justified in comparing the flood-tide which had taken place since his accession to power with the ebb that had occurred shortly. before. He would not enter into any comparison of former years, with respect to prices of fOod and quantity of produce exported . but. he m igh t be, he is perhaps, allowed to refer to one 'instance in support of-h is f h argument. He ':found in the year 1837 wheat at a. sum of i about 5 55., and the exports were 42,000, 000 ; whilst n 1839, When wheat was 70s. 9d., the exports amounted to 53,000,000, giving exactly the same advantage of eleven millions which had taken place between the years 1842 and 1842. He did not urge as an argument that wheat should be 70s. a quarter ; he thought that wheat should be as cheap as possible, but he thought also that it should be the produce of their own country.—( Hear, hear.) By extending protection to agricul ture they were extending also the production of the country. The Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary for the Home Department, said that the time was come for admitting foreign corn, because the population outstripped the productiveness of the country. At the commencement of this century, however, they found that 970 out of every I,ooo' were fed on home corn. Within the last five years they would find also that 969 and a fraction out of the 1,000 were fed upon home corn; clearly showing that 'he productiveness of the soil had kept pace with the population. His objections to the measure of 1846, as compared w i t h t h e measure of 182 swuht dissented,fi a acm d cinta a utd s er s u re e sid n atr t l ay e bor, d etf tie t hera o oleeur t_ i; h :i egtb, tnewefierrheaseoiutiri:luß:st,ithhirleewi•—edifslo:hitri.eetinhTdeet dissented to il s esßa e t n wiftio t ela e r mrso d nhi et ly i t :n b : o t e c r d r o e o s uu e d e e m r c u a g o c d an e n e d t di h : tedh domestic I H a r e e e n a er is sincere conviction ; he hoped that it would be found erroneous. He might be wrong, but he etsuld not go with the Right Hon. Baronet's atmospheric speed of legislation. The Hon. Mem ber for Finsbury had spoken of this measure as one to be admired—less for the abolition of the corn-laws on its own account than that it would lead to ulterior results. What were those ulterior results ? There was a feeling abroad against the law of primogeniture —against the Church—against the Protestant succession.—( Hear.) He lamented this measure for the consequences it would produce at home—he lamented it for the c"nsequences it would produce in their colonies— he lamented it for the eff et it would have upon society—he lamented it more for the injury it would cause to public character. The Right Hon. Baronet looked not to this age, but to posterity for his reward. He would remind him of the saying. that the faults of public men were doubly culpable, because they committed not only an offence against their own time, but set a had example to posterity.—( Loud and long continued cheering, amidst which the Hon. Member resumed his seat. ) Mr. WARD then rose, and said, that the Hon. Member who had just addressed the House was an exceedingly diffi cult man to follow.—( Laughter.) He did not mean any ' thing offensive, but the Honourable Member called himself the Counsel for the British Empire=-( Continued laughter)—hut he had not confined himself to this country, for he took in the whole world in his wanderings. He ( Mr. Ward) would allow the one. half of the lion. Member's speech' to dispose of the other. There was no single proposition that her had advanced t in one sentence that he did not as readily demolish la t t he e sac -no single principle that he 'did nes-controve i tt a . r e n ction t,,ts ) ceeding minute,—( Cries of " No, no, He bid voted 'for the He had attacked the. Right Hon. measures, yet he had voted for them. p ed in most vivid colours the measure of 1842, but yet he aintwhich had emanated from it. ”Itir;_omettrelfecause of his evils of the bone -crushing y again.. Hon. Gentlerhen contradicted hiroself,over.t an it who had supported the Rig' - ._. The Hon. Gentleman wh o bad d:vlzervt addressed the House had on the other side of the Hou se, Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government in 1 1t3i2 ,!..t. right new to turn round upon h:ai for arriving a ;tr. eve suit which they themselves had assisted to bring aboni—(Olie position cheers, and cries of " No, no," from the., Ministerial - benches.) They had rendered the result . ineVitabler '( Cheers.) Why, what did they do in 184 9 ? The were thee. a great party; th ey h a d an unassailable majority in that House.—(Hear, hear.) They . had the game in their...pin hands. What was the, first step of coOnenien Which the Right Hon. Baronet saw h e was forced to ,adopt ? Thepropetial of the sliding-scale. And w h en the Hon. Geetleinan had once admitted the principle of conces-ion, what, his WOUld Iva to know, was the paint at which they should stop ?--( Hear, bear,) In 1841, the holy alliance of tintse concerned hi .the agriculture of the country was,• formed ; pod" the • • iikki culturists were now reduced to what ,they . themsehvei called a Most hopeless position, when famine e't.e. • ecd then? in the face.—(Cries of " No, no," from the Ministeetal eide of, the House.) The champions and advocates of Hon. Gentlemen on the opposite side of the House were n o w. f orce d Co admit, with the Right Hon. Baronet, that there must boa enntirival, pro gress in legislation with regard to the trade of the country; but then they at the same time thought the clesire.rif the land lords to have protection should be duly listened to. But, in his opinion, - the G overnment o f t h e country had listened long enough.—( Hear, _hear.) It was new time that the public should have..a pat in the matter.— ( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Guido-nail who had last spi:tken had said that he would give a moderate protection to agricul ture ; but he had almost, in the same breath told them, that he knew an agricultural district in Scotland where the farmers placed very littli v a l ue upon th e pretee nion, as it was called, which was afforded to them by Parliament He had told them, that in spite of the hills which no horses could labour'up, the scarcity of manure, and otht r obstacles which did not exist in this country, and in spite of the demoralizing and ruinous measures which the Right. Hon. Baronet had now proposed, the cultivation ofland in that dis trict was still very profit a bly carr i e d on. A n d as to the trash which he quoted about the colonial markets, he ( Mr. Weal) 'would put it to the good sense of every man in that Flousee whether this country had run any risk in establishing a trade to New York. They, in fact; supplied New York' ,themselves e _ ( Heal, hear.) The' fact was that the amount of goods which were sent to the colonial markets were not one eighth of what w. re • sent to neutral , ports,, where the English manufacturer enjoyed ne protection, nor the slightest preference.—(Hear, hear.) He would now go back to the statement of the Noble and Gallant M em b er f or Liver pool, wh o h a d already spoken at the commencement efehe pre sent debate, and he was sorry to observe that. the ,HOnourable and Gallant M em b er was not then in his.place,' begause be had made a loe,g Speech. Th e H onoura bl e arid • Gallant Member for - Liverp oo l had said that he had Lathing to re gret and nothing to retract sinee.he came into . Parliament. There were very new men on either side of the House who could make such a st atement.e-(flear,' hear, and laughter.) The Members of that House. were in a very peculiar position with respect to their constituents: The Hon. and Gallant Mem ber for Liverpool represented the. interests of the greatest com mercial town in the kingdom. The Hon. Gentleman hid said that agriculture and labour should ba protected ;.• bait 'What would labeur do without capital? He said that free trade might operate beneficially enough in other countries, but he could not redimmend the ad Trion of that principle in Eng land. The Right Hon. Baronet had stated, on the first night of the session, that he had tried negotiations between the agric'turists and the manufacturers on this subject for many years, but all those efforts to elleet a conciliation ended in n 'thing. He would ask whether our trade had not quin tupled, in cite of 'the most rigorous tarif f brought forward and passed byTy4ktirable Members on the oppositte side of the Eld&P-17,ottd cheers.) And were they for ever to pu ish thengelve4 because other people brought for ward rneaShres ruinous to their own interests? The Hon.' ourable and Gallant Member then asked what would become of their colonies if the present measure were passed ? The colonies were already supplied by our manufacturers, and they were, consequeey, supplied wilt cheaper and better articles than they themselves ceuid pro duce. But did this pioduce ,utter ruin to Ettgland and the colonies? What was the effeet of • the abolitien . of slavery in the manufacture of sugar in the W es t Indies ?—( Hear, hear.) It was universally found that sugar could be manufactured at. a much cheaper rate by free than slave labourer , , • The Hon. and Gallant Member also quoted a speech of Mr. Huskisson. There was no man in that House wh o respecte d the name of that gentleman more than himself. No man that had ever ,sat ,in that House, in his opinion; hid done more service to his country than the late Mr. Huskisson. Like the Right Hon. Bannet . (Sir R. Peel) he had b - en obliged, in the course of a long career in that House, to make great sacrifices of his party politics. Ile would beg to refer the House to the closing speeches et' that gentleman, for those might be taken to be the real and honest expressions of his conscience; he might then t e supposed to be free from all the trammels of office and party. (Hear ' hear.) When M r . H us ki sson t h en spoke, viz., on the 25th March, lts3o, being two years after he had intro- . duced his sliding-scale, he said that 'h e rea ll y b e li eved that the then existing corn -laws might be abolished without any serious injury. It was an easy matter to,complain of the incon sistencies of men in office, the disappointment of party Koper, &c., but there was nothing that pubic men did that could he right in the opinions of all parties.—(Hear, heer.). 'Puhlic 'Men, it must. be admitted, were ,often wrong. but at She close of their political careers they generally arrived at the truth. If the Right Han. Baronet was not right . in his political conduct. until the present time, he had now the manliness and the honesty to come forward and eanfess that he had at l as t t urne d i nt o t l e right path— a path which was consistent with reasan and justice, and most , conducive to the good of the country.—(Hear, hear.) It could , 13 .t be doubted that public men heel often eltered their opinions. Men on that (the Oppositien) side of the House had often done so. Mr. Huskisson had often done so. The Noble:Lard, the Member for the city of London, heti Manfully avowed that lie had changed his opinions with regard to the corn-laws-that.e , had, in feet,' bccome wiser by experienee then he was in his younger years. Be (Mr. Ward) himself, when he first be came a !Weather of the House, voted with • the Right. Hon. Baronet on this questioe, and indeed he universally voted in faveur of the core-laws. It was o n ly s in ce bali informed himself thoroughly en' the subject, and had looked at the mat.. ter in that light which he wished all Hon., Menibers, on the - ..._.. other side would d o ; t h at was to F ay without any class or paray. , feeling - ( Hear, hear)—that his views beeanse•altered_ in favour . of a total and immediate repeal.. But he was ereid „that those Hon. Meml ers suffered themselves to be bound doetn. by their party c o n nex i ens .—(H ear a) T hey had adopted an opinion, and to that opinion it appeared they were determined to ad- , here, whether it wan right or e wrong. They .neade e a. few . sitecches, hastilyght up . e6ety agriculter4 meetings, until , thee,- found 0,4' whole cOuntry. denouneing the obstinacy with a theft the c'ting to 'their faydurite principles of selfish pro tection. ' He readily believed that the course which the pro. . tectionists Were pt , lrsuieg was' most irojarious to ,their own in- • !crests - and to 'then. own country.. Noyi, in the course of this long debate th ere h a d certainly een some very altirspeeches delivered. There 'was a speech delivered by the Hon. (ientleman , the Member for Northampton. which, both in respect of jts . tone arid the manner of delivery, *as good enough ;• the greatest fault he had to lied with it was that it had reference to everything but the principles which he got hp to defend.—. Bear, hear; anddaughter. ) It was evidently, from be g i nn i ng io end, nothing more than a ret; , io princip.i, a mere begging tef the whole question. The Hon. Member saidthet the. Go- vernment ought to legislate in . such . a . meoner . that all interests should be protected without injury to any. suppose his principle was _right, the Government . would than have to protect every interest in the country, becauie they ennst not protect a large interest' such as agriculture or manu factures, and neglect fo pretect the lowest and most unien- liortant branches of trade in the country. A great injustice was apparently committed by the recent tariff. nethose con cerned in the producti on an d sa l e o f e l ever,see d, . an d yet what did the farmers, who dealt in that article, say to the. Right Hon. Baronet on that head ? 'They stated that 99 out of every 100 farmers in that part of the country eared very littl.ahout the lhanges that had' been 'in the tariff with respect to that article.—( Hear, hear.) , That was the vew A high farmers spook of the protection afforded them by Governitent. But Unless the Legislature carried out to its full extent those prir- Ciples of free trade their policy would be defective. It would be a great humbug.—(Laughter, and cheers from the Opp anion.) They could not carry them out unless they abandoned their %Id and mistake n o pi n i ons. I f the . • Government adopted the course recommended to .them, , by' the g pioteetionists, they wou ld put t h emselyes and that interest into a dilemma from which it would be almost an iinpnssibility to extricate them. The .protectionists would fail in extricating themselves therefrom if they had a Government Of their own to-morrow. —(Hear, hear. ) Those ,geritlemen had once the Government in their own hands, but the,. Right , Hon. Baronet discarded them. The Right' Hob. gentleman Was there one. single ,prin c ip le passed ' flo a t r v t e in th em the a if ft had . e f n a s ir ui w ng arn ie in ss g io t n h . at they need not Iciek ,fOl. hisspp- upon which they were agreed, country generally, but to them ouse.— and injuriously not only" to the h r) . The Protectionists said w op h e ie r h at'ed most pardons. ~ mats a law, would . not h a v e selves in particular.—( ll the heavy taxes which n - W had to pay. That was a question etooeb,epotniotedsiiffdeeteonfcteheollf opinion that we could not compete ' with ea foreigners in consequenceeef amongst .. (11-lear, hear.) For six years, however, he (Mr. Ward) bad attempted to make them show what were the " peculiar bur dens' Ge ntlemenon oughttb upon whic fr h on th these re a upon land, but he had always failed.—(Hear, hear. ) elle, however, rejoiced to say that a similar motion was renv about to be brought forward in the House of tords by Lord Beaumont. He hoped that he would not be • considered out of order in referring to the proceedings of the other House of Parliament. Would any Hon. Member deny • that his (Mr. Ward's) motion had been • postponed session after session, in consequence of the conduct of the protec tionists themselves.—(Hear, hear.) If they really bad any burdens, they should he ashamed of themsefves if they did ' not show what those burdens were, when they were ' fairly challenged to do so by Members on that (the Opposition) side of the House.—( Hear, and cheers.) Rut the truth was they could not prove the existence of those burdens.—(Cries of " We can,' from several Members on the protectionists' benches.) They could not have any , burdens, or they wou ld certa i n l y h ave accepted his challenge. -•-( Hear, hear.) He proposed to them that they should appoint a committee themselves, to consist of twelve intelli gent, honest men,, a n d h e had also said that he had not the least objection to the Hon. and Gallant Member for Lincoln ' taking the chair —( Hear, hear, and laughter.) Be . proposed that they should examine the witnesses ; and had that Committee been granted, he felt satisfied that he should have btought those men to such a conclusion as her Majesty's Go vernment had now arrived at with respect to the corn-laws.-- (Hear, hear.) • But his motion was always rejected, and the Hon. and Gallant Member for Lincolnshire slept very comfort ably on a bench in the gallere, on the last o ccas i on t h at he , (Mr. Ward) addressed the House on this. subject.—( Cheers and ' laughter.) The country, however, saw perfectly well through the agriculturists, devise; they saw that the talk about peculiar burdens was a great falsehood.---( Hear, hear.) For his own part he should have been able to lay before the country some very curious information had the Committee been granted. He should have been very sorry to have done any many injustice; but in a word, he might say that Hon. Members on the f oypo e .. site side of the House were anxious to keep the question of th peculiar burdens" as much as pessible in the grou nd .backk aouriog Was the Government then to shrink from e endeavouring ? ° That to carry out their present measure in all . ite m int g ) He for unanimous support of the country.— 1l ear, for he rdial Support, proposal was a large one, and in his ope e n a i r, one gave that proposal his most salvation of the agricultural be lievedin- terest.—(Hear, that it world be the sa t l ,e v i a ieved that the agricultural hear.) t a d r i eserved the terest.—(Hear, hear.) el conceived that it uhuld be (Much laughter.) interests to let them legislate most fatal to thir When they were entrusted with power, for themselves. their own interests. Let the House gentlemen were not fit to e L i ke care of their oen interests.— their legislation , and they would find tha' the lock hack to kes had been committed by that party to the strangest mistakes h mselves as well as of tee & envie 0 , , a 1 prejudice of t e the se of wool. After raisin '.---- r. ' Let them look to ca 'R. the price of they invariably' damaged .. English wool to the highest possible point that they could, a duty of 6d. pee , lb. was placed on 'oreign woe). The Honourable Member tor teortaersetshiree arenegst ' others then in the House, would recollect that in five; years ' after the change, -the price of wool' was lower " t N i Y , eilllthtaekeHnotoiff. N fo le oc rribe ipi,ve.: r 4 rle be nv i, , n th o a w t t t h h a e t p t r b i e ce d s ti * ty er h e a n d i ' than it had bee n f or two hundred years before:--(Rear.) g i t e e en r th i a n n • etanding they had been iiknnlfttlifYie 'within the last centtiry,- notwithe - ... we h , (l' iiinffirttA sixty-nine million pounde of that e . namedity. How Will t h e H on . M em b er Meet fihitt' - fie, and i what would have been the result bad he no been _~~