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eiseetaidancy, were railed the " rriendi of English interest."—, vvnen Ireland, by her ante to gain independe.p.ce e had eman r 'rented herself from the thraldom of which she'hati previously somnlair-ed, the distinction which he had mentioned was no eiengerepreserved. The friends to the Protestant asicendency mere-Wed, and it was the same party which now called itself -ehe. O r ange Association. Ile was far from -objecting to the wells " being Protestant," in the oath which he had quoted. Be was friendly to them in themselves, as he associated with Meru the idea of every thing that was good and beneficial to are country, the establishnient of the present Royal Family, and the assertion of English liberty. The oath to he taken ay the Member of the Orange Association went on to de *tare. that the individual had never belonged to the society of United Irishmen ; had never been bound to any Society by oaths of secrecy. It bound the party .to be faithful to wTI Orangetnen in all just actions, and made the initiated no- 'timely swear, in the presence of Almighty' OW, never to re weal part or parts of what wax about to be privately corneae- Owed th hint, to any one, without strict trial being made, .setieli proof obtained of his being a brother Orangeman ; and 'farther, that he would not write, print, or stamp, or cause to he written, printed, or stamped, any , part or parts of such communication, nor in any other way disclose it, so help him tied, and keep him steadfast in this his oath. When the members were sworn thus never to reveal what was communi .. eeited, it WO no uncharitable construction to suppoic that this eelfeconetituted Society making su ch an oath, supposed that . 'there was something connected with the institution which it . was Most essential to conceal. Such a society ought to be ,Nviswed with great suspicion in the preeent situation of Ire land. The state of that country being remembered did not the proceedings, of that Society . demand their serieus atten 'lion, which, from the manner in which its members were legistered, could at any time and place bring forty, fifty„ dt sixty thousand men together. Ile described more minutely the regulation of the Orange Lodges. The system of the paciety, the oaths of secrecy administered, anti its general tegulatinne, would justify them in looking with the great est jealousy at its intentions. Very . soon utter its eta bliehment, the Association had distinguished itself by adopt . Inc a most important tone, a tone equal to that of the Go. yin-muerte It had subsequently coneiderecl it necessary, in t'oasequenee of the notice taken of it , to disclaim the prin . tildes which had been imputed to it,' and to declare before Almighty God that it was not their object to persecute per. eons who differed from them in matters of religion.—(Hear, Gear i)—He thought it but justice to the Association to state this, but at the same time he had more reasons than one for skiing so. He particularly wished it to he noticed, that so long ago as in the year 1797, it had been obliged to defend itself egninst the imputation of acting on principles which were opposed to the interests of the country, and thee they were bound together by oaths that would make human nature shud der. Ile mentioned this to chew that the name of an Orange. span must for ever be associated in the minds of the people or Ireland, with outrage and bloodshed. 'This had been felt when that vindication to which he alluded Was considered ne cessary. He found in one of the papers, Wiped by the Asso dation, that its Members set forth, it wee it their Judgment high time to rally round the throne, and support their good . "King against all his enemies, whether those enemies were rebels to God or their country. He wished to know who had given this body authority to determine when a man was in a state of rebellion against God ? Who was to be consider. eel ? Suppose the ease of an Atheist, who acknowledged no Deity. lie could not be called a rebel, because he butt de. • flied the power of a Being whom lie did not believe to ex it. It was, therefore difficult to define what was meant by the language which 'he had quoted; but he, thought that extreme danger was to be apprehended from an Association of this description. Having spoken thus much in explana tion of the constitution of the Orange Clubs, he proceeded to the consideration of the consequences which had resulted from them to Ireland, and of the effects which might yet be expected. Abort one-fifth of the population of Ireland con sisted of Protestants; a large proportion of the inhabitants we Roman Catholics; so that when the Irish people were spoken of generally, they must be described as a Catholic people. The Protestants enjoyed an almost exclusive mono. poly of' nearly all the offices of the _State, many of which they filled in the most meritorious manner. The Catholics had no Church Establishment of their ,own ; their priests were de • pendent for support on the casual bounty of their followers ; and above'all, there was a total abience or that link to connect .the higher and the lower classes, the most important link in -the chain of society, and wealthy Independent middle class of Men. When the population of a country was divided like that of Ireland, by religious diffetenceel—front the moment the Government abandoned the, systeM of ruling by an un-, mixed despotism—from the moment the principles of liberty began to be understood, and a free press had furnished the means for 'ditlinting knowledge, from that moment a state of things arose, which it required dip greatest wisdom and the greatest temper to control and direct. It was especially neeessery to guard against private piques, and it therefore behoved the higher classes to set an example of moderation and feebearance. Ile disapproved of the Orange ,institutions,, be critic they were occlusive in their character., A man known to, be of good moral character, and moat ardently and sincerely attached to the interests of • hies country, was excluded from. this Soeietv, if it were formed for any good, purpose, because lie was net a t'rotestant. The rules of the aeseciation provided,. that e eery . year there should be a celebration of the victory obtained by King William over King James at the Boyne. Now, if this celebration took place in a country where the inhabitants were wholly Protestants, there could. be no objection to it.— But when they reflected that such a celebration must not only , mail the triumph of those who were the ,minority in Ireland, lout also the humiliation of those who formed the majority, the tierect must be injurious from the irritation thus constantly kept iiNve. These celebrations, he contended, ware most fatal to the peace of Ireland ; and they had been known but too frequently to terminate in bloodshed. The Protestant who desired to he die urge ished for his loyalty, ought to endeavour by his conduct and otample to make others contented and loyal. Bat did the Orange Aseociation do thin? Were the Catholics of Ireland likely to be made more loyal by the annual processions, in coeinieinorathin ies'ehe defeat of King James at the Boyne? Could this beef-feeted by reminding them that that day had witnessed the triumph . . of the Prlneltants, anti the Inimiliation of the Catholics, the proof 417 which was to be found in the nume of the family now on t'ect throne ? Was this the way, to secure their loyalty. If i. went forth that a large body of Protestants, say from .0113 hundred and fifty to two hundred thousand men, were terenectid by-oaths of secrecy, he should be glad to know why a ~site number.of Catholic% might not be connected in die same "if. Was it to be simmered, because the former _were loyal, arid the latter dieloyel ? 14e thought the House would be slow to make a distinction so frightful and appaling. If none but 1 Pt 0 !limbers of the Protestant Church, separatieg front it the isPresbyteriens and Unitarians, l were to be deemed well affected to 'he Government, within wlat narrow - limits weeld they com peer.* the loyalty of the country ? Another suleieet wee worthy rot ternerk, he alluded to the Yeomanry of Ireland. The larger pnrtion of time keomanry were Orangemen. If un the 'Yeomanry should be called in • to aid the €l,iyil Power, what might not be epprehended from the party f;vliitig known to exist? He would put the case of a Ca tholie brought to trial, the Magistrate, the Kterilf, the Pan. re:d., end the Judge being all the Orange Party. lie did not eisy that they would forget their oaths, that the. Jury would 1!_ell the innocent guilty, or that the Judge would pass a se e Ter sentence ,than the offence proved might demand, but lei would rick, Unfelt a circumstance would not lie must unfor tettate ? He would ask if it were not likely that the individual might be ciensidered to suffer from party . feeling, and if this .Would not detract materially from the weight and authority which ought to belong to the administration of the law. The -Sieeittie would recollect a discussion which, took place in the per t 413, on the introduction of Orange Clubs into this coun try. The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite lied then diem). peeved of them, but considered diem too insignificant to make it net:fee:wry to put them down, as by treating them with con eeetipt they would fall of themselves. If such were Ids opinion of grime Clubs in England, . on what termini% could le fie. contended that they were beneficial to Ireland ? . Vote whieniver way lie might on the present motion, lie could reit but expect the benefit of the Right Hon. 0-endernen's Avenge in the course of the debate ; as, with all his ingenuity, lie did not think him capable of conten ding that that which was teed for the one country, could be good for theenher. lie had been told that, in consequence of the promulgation of hie M sjesty's wish that a aymtern of general conciliation should be acmol, plum in Ireland, at great increase in the numbers of the Ovine Clubs had taken place. If this ware true, what did it wieatt, hot that, numbers of persona had enrolled their name in that association for the purpose of opposing the declared wish .Or the King and hitt Parliament? It had been said in former t4nA4 i , and he believed, in some cans, it was nearly the truth, that the land Lieutenant of Ireland meted not under the audio rill of the King, bat under the influence of the Orange Clubs at Pablin.—(ll ear t)--If this were proved, the inference which 4 1 / 4 1'114 draw from it would be, that the jealous sentiment hsd recalled Iterd Fitzwilliam, and removal that and aisle Nobleman, Lord Cornwallis, with eve ry species of con tumely and reproach, was the compressed sp irit of the Orange Association. When Mr. Pitt proposed the Union in that [louse, - the great advantage which he held out as likely to result from it .was that it would secure to the country an impartial Legiela tore, standing aloof from all local and party connections. It eyes Au d i Legislntore that could alone redress the grievances of which Ireland had at present to complain. Ile had hitherto abet...tined front touching on one point—the question as to the lxality of the uistitutioti, Whoever looked at whet passed in ttle fifitli of the bite King, would find it difficult to exempt this itsettitAltiOn from the operation. or Ast Act. But ou the OeCa. sten 0, lite triel in Ireland a w itness, who belonged to an Orange Club, had been stated to be int'orable of giviag evidence without violating the oath he had taken ; and thus )dared between two oaths, he would be obliged in one case or the other to commit perjury. The Learned Chief .Justice of the King's Bench upon this, had remarked that no proofbad been given that the witness had taken the - Oath Which had been mentioned, and he trusted it wit' net so, for -if such a practice obtained, and were to be respeeted, weld be impossible to administer justice. Shonld an indivithrit come into =Court in the situation which had been imagine his:Critne would consist in holding himself bound , by n secret no& an un lawfull oath (for unlawful it certainly was), and it worild-he his,duty to keep to the oath Which he had taken intotirt and trample on the unlitrful obligation. Stich an opinion having - ibeen delivered by It 'Learned Judge, it had been unpardon able negligence m him to have omitted bringing it before the House. If, however, such , oaths were. Uritawfiil, how came it to he discovered now for the first dine? They must have been unlawful from the first, and yet no effort bad been made to put down the association in which such oaths were admini stered. The motion which he wished to submit to the House would propose an Address to the Crown, calling its attention to a society founded on exclusive and unconstitutional prin. ciples. He wished to assure the Crown, thatthat House would zealously concur in any measure that mightbe brought for ward to enforce the laws of the country with respect to such societies. This "was the proposition he intended to submit. He thought it would be a great benefit to the Government, if it wished to get rid of the Orange Club. They could not better be dealt with in the first instance, than by such a declare don of the opinion of Parliament. God forbid ! that in sug gesting, this he should wish to propose any thing that should he injurious to the Protestants of Ireland. NVithout their support, no Government in Ireland could stand. lie, how ever, thought that which he proposed would be any thing but injurious to them. He, therefore, wished the House to express their disapprobation of the Orange system, and their wish to see it put down, leaving the manner of carrying that wish into effect with the Government. The restoration of 'tranquillity to Ireland which this measure would tend to ac complish would be advantageous for England, hut still more so to the sister country. Nothing would benefit Ireland more than a measure calculated to attract English capital to it. The disorders which so frequently occurred, prevented this, as none would go to Ireland, and few would remain there who could live any where else. The number of absentees now so severely felt would be diminished by the chaoge which he advocated ; but it was impossible that a large proportion of the landed property of Ireland should not always bean the hands of absen tees, while the country remained in its present state. His purpose was that of removing the great obstacle to the tran quillity of Ireland, by the opinion of that House being de- (dared. It was in vain to tell him that it was not in the power of the Government to put down diese Orange Societies. When he said, to put down, those were hard words ; but he meant, that if the Governnient were united upon the subject--(Cheers) —and cordially opposed to such societies, they would soon Make Orangemen as good and obedient subjects as any other set of men in the kingdom. If the Government decidedly , and unanimously disapproved of these associations, they would not be supported as they were, But. those who belonged to them believed that they were approved by the Government; and that to secede from them would cast an imputation upon their loyalty. He entreated the House to consider that the Union with Ireland--no doubt a measure most important and most valuable—was a measure as yet, if he might so express him. ' self, upon its trial. It had been the act of the eiegislature adopted twenty years agO,' upon speculative and theoretical grounds. But if a party of separatists should grow up, and such a party might appear where it, was least expected, the measure must not then be tried upon Speculative and theoreti cal principles, but upon the arguments and reasons, which that House could' advance as to its real and solid benefit. How would they then be able to say, that the Union had improved the condition of Irelanth when the great masa of its people were exposed year after year. to these ,processions and taunts, which continually kept up dissentions and disquiet in the country. It was for these reasons that he intended to propose the following Ad dresi to the house.--( Hear, hear, hear ! ) " That an humble Address be presented to his Majesty, hum bly to represent to his. Majesty, That his faithful Commons, deeply deploring the existence of those dissentions by which Ireland has been for so great a length of time agitated and convulsed, and which; among other evils, have led to the for mation of Societies founded on exclusive and unconstitutional principles, beg leave to assure his 3lajesty of their cordial and zealous concurrence in all measures necessary for sustaining and enforcing the Laws, for giving to the people the full benefits of the Constitution, and for aiding his Majesty's paternal solici. nude for the establisHment of concord' and union in Ireland," Mr. GOULBURN had never come down to the 7 rioeituS un der such anxiety as upon the present •occasion ;—not anxiety arisising from any difficulty he felt in avowing the views which he entertained upon the subject of the motion, but because when he reflected upon the time at which the quextion was agitated, and upon the irritation and dissension which had recently dis tracted Ireland, be feared that in the course of this debate; ex pressions and topics might be introducid, celculated to inflame the minds of the people of' that country to such an extraordinary degree, as it would be the duty of all prudent men, in Parlia ment or out of it, to use their best endeavours to avoid. Upon this ground he felt infinite regret that the motion heel been 'brought forward at such a Moment. He had also another reason to, regret it, in the manner in which it would affect him self, as a part of the Irish Government. it being so much to he leered that sonic who Might take part in the debate would introduce topics of a nature that it was most desirable and just should be avoided ; he hoped that the lion. and Learned Gen tleman might have yielded to the suggestion made to him by his Right Honourable Friend : leaving it to the House, when. the subject came regularly before it, to decide 'what had been the conduct of the Irish Governtheni with regard to those trans. actions. He had, however the happineee of paying the tri. Bute to the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, of saying that he lied completely abstained from those topics in his own speech ; and he hoped, he should not the taking too much upon himself, when he implored other Honourable Members to follow the example which had tlins been sete--( Hear, hear )—and to do the Government the justice of not bringing its conduct incidentally forward, when there would be an oppor tunity afforded hereafter of examining that conduct fully and, completely. Although he could not concur in the Address pro posed, yet he had no diflieufty, with regard to much that had fallen from the Hon. and learned Gentleman, in expressing more or less of his concurrence. lie had no difficulty in avow ing, as the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had avowed, that ex clusive societies, under Whatever circumst.snces, or in what. ever country they might exist, wore productive of immediate inconvenience, and objects of jealousy and suspicion. It was imposseible not to perceive, in the ordinary society of life, the hardship and incoevenience of exclusions. It would invari ably be rotted . that the persons excluded regarded the exclu eioniets with feelings of hatred and revenge. If the observe» Lion were carried into political life, they found the principle in still stronger action. Ile would further add, that when etchieion watt made upon the ground of religious differences 'the feelings on 'both sides were exasperated and aggra vated. Therefore, he thought it capable of demonstration,. that all exclusive Societies were inimical . to the peace and union of the great body of the people. He should also observe, that the objection Was considerably increased, when the bond of that society consisted in a secret oath. When he made this general acheiseion of the danger to which he considered all secret end exclusive societies to lead, he applied himself rather to the Address that had been moved, than to the speech by which it had been introduced. The Ad dress alluded to all societies bound together by secret obli ga . 'dens; but the speech of the Honourable and Learned Gentle man was confined to that single class, known by the name of Orange Institutions. Feeling as lie did, the general objec tions which he had stated to all Secret Societies, he was most anxious to draw a distinction betwixt these Societies in panictilar, and those whose principles and conduct were So wholly different. Some, of the secret societies in Ire, land had for theie object the destruction of property, and the overthrow of the Govertement,' while others were hound toge ther to !turmoil the law, and contribute to the maintenance of tranquility and peace. the was anxions, therefOre .that the House should keep in view the different principles which might animate and guide the acts of these societies. He could not forget, that although the Orange Institutions, for reasons he had stettel, were Ruble to exceptions, yet they had been at all times ready to come forward in the service of else country, and that too in the manner which the constituted authorities pointed out and directed. lie could not forget that in times when Ireland had been torn by the ravages of faction and re. 'hellion, the persons enrolled in these Orange Institutions, and others from whom the present Members were descended, had received and 'deserved the thanks of the Irish Parliament, and of "he country. He could not overlook thisgood conduct, or confound them with the persens a nd principles from whom they were so essentially distinct. He was quite aware that where a breach of the law was committed, prefious conduct would notetand between the offender and the visitation of the law ; and if one of these Orangetnen, by taking a secret oath, or in any other manner trensgresse'd the law, he was not the individual to stand up and defend him. He always desired to distinguish between the acts and the principles of such a so ciety. If any of its members placed himself without the limits of the law, he- would not claiM his exemption from its power; end if he did, he was sure he should not he supported in it by the great body of the society, whose principles, whose objects and profession were to support the law. The lion. Gentleman, in tracing the progress of these Societies, had gone back to times of dreadful agitation and misery for Ireland,-- His opinion was, that when the present Acts of Govern ment were mentioned, it was hest to avoid mixing them up with times where therc-undoubtedly would be, found many acts of cruelty to condemn, and many transactions to regret. The lion. and Learned Gentleman had done the Orange Societies the justicee to admit, that the'principles with which they set out, went to support the saw ; and he was sure it was impossible to see the stateinent of the Honourable and Learned.Gentlemai, 'as M their progressive conduct, and their constant anxiety to set their opinions and intentions before the country, without seeing that they were entitled to approbation. The Hon. and Learned Gontleinan lyid said, with respect to the attempt to introduce Societies into England, that England had dis couraged them; awl lie called upon a Right Hon. Friend of hie (Mr. Gott'burn) to t A ke the saute course, with regard to the Irish Orange . Ledges, a s h e did towar d s t h ose o f , E ng l un d. Now he entirely concurred in that call. Ile thought that as far as advice went, and it was by suck weapons alone that So cieties, finintled:upen such .principles, could be opposed, there was no objection to us uki.. It was by sixth means only that any good weld he effected, and not by pointing them out as the objects of peculiar animadversion awl invective.• So Ise as where they put themselves within the reach of the law, the law should be enforced against them as against others ; but when they observed it, it was - neither prudent nor expedient to pursue them with a power beyond the law. Ile had said that lie could not concur in the Address. He could not do so, because no one could be so unacquainted with Parliamentary tactics, as not to see that it implied a. neglect on the part of the Government to do, w h at i t w a s i n i ts power to do for the discountenancing and suppressing secret societies. The House was not in the habit of addressing the Crown for the enforce ment of a law, except in cases where the law had been sus pended, or not properly executed. Conscious. as he was that the Government always enforced the laws duly and impartially to all persons, whether of one description or another, the Ad dress could not be justified. If the Honourable and Learned Gentleman . had ;charged the Government with exempting an Orangeman from a puni s h ment to w hi c h h e was by law sub mitted, and if he could state that a Catholic had suffered penal ties from which an Orangeman had been exempt, then he would have made out a case tbr Parliamentary interference. But if, in the 'absence of such complaint, the House sub scribed 'to the proposed Address, it would, in a Parliamen tary acceptation% imply blame where no cause for blame existed or was charged. That the present Irish Government viewed secret societies with great jealousy :. id distrust, its very first Act fully . proved. It was an Act directed against cer tain secret societies then i n ex i stence , and bound together' by secret obligations, whi9-object was to overthrow ,all that was sacred and establish e d in Ireland. Although they had not found it necessary to call for a renewal of that Act, yet the subject had been brought before the Government on too many occasions to allow them to overlook the necessity of an applica tion to Parliament for a power which they did not possess, of putting an end to such societies. It' the Hon. Gentleman had deferred his motion to a later period of the Session, or if he could have been prepared to bring forward those of Government at an earlier one, it would have been seen that, according to the Lord Lieutenant's dispatch, it was proposed to ass i mi l a t e th e law respecting Se c r e t Societies in Ireland to that of England as' it stood. The should call upon the Parliament to give them the same law as that passed for England in the year J 799, in order that it might he extended to Ireland. When in No. vember last the Government found it necessary to bring some perions to trial for the administering and taking of unlawful oaths, they had found the law very ineffectual to the purpose, and it would be found in due dine that the Lord Lieutenant had applied to the Government and to the Parliament to strengthen the law, awl give it a power equal to-its object.— These laws would not reach the Societies which . had formed the subject of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's speech, un. less they put themselves within its operation. Under these cir cumstances he did not consider that Parliament was Culled on to address the Crown, and he should therefore move the preei.; ous qustion upon the motion, because it would censure the (40, vernnient for not having enforced the law, a nd thereby attach blame when it was not deserved. Sir J. NEWPORT said, than lie had, year after year, pressed this question upon the liouse, and enforced Ahe neces sity of putting down all hostile Corresponding and Secret So cieties, as the means of restoring tranquillity in Ireland. He was sure it would be most satisfactory to the House to find that a recommendation was to be made for the, extension of the Act of 1799. It was in vain to say that Orange Societies were es tablished for good purposes.. If all Secret Societies were ilk gal, there should be no cloak allowed for any of them. The mischief and the missry of Ireland had been, that the people had always been divided. The system by which they had been governed was founded on their divisions* That system was now abjured, and he hoped that the Government would con tinue to abjure it in practice as well as in theory. The result of this debate would , be hailed as a good omen for Ire land. The strengthening of these laws would teach Irishmen to live together as brothers, and to unite in support of the laws instead of associating to set them at deaance. lie trusted that the Government would inculcate and enforce this principle-- that to receive the protection of the laws. all pasties, without discrimination, must b e ob e di en t to t h em . Having so often called the attention of the House on this subject, it was with the greatest satisfaction that he now congratulated himself and his country upon the approaching suppression of all Secret Societies. Air. DM SON said, that haying strong opinions upon this subject, and representing a counter in which those opinions Were very generally entertained, he felt called upon to address sonic observations to the Hon:amnion this question. Ile con curred in every word that had fallen from his Right lion. Friend below - him (Mr. Goulburn). Ile was glad that the l'ublic would now know both sides of this question, and be put in possession of the merits and deMerits of Orange Societies, anti of the principles on which they were founded, For some. time past. the Irish Press had teemed with misrepresentatiOn andinvective. spinet Orangemen, and the English Press had followed the example. W henever any little petty disputes oc curred between a Protestant and a Catholic, it was immediately magnified into one of those Orange outrages which were made use of by demagogues to inflame the people of Ireland, and which he had afterwards heard repeated by Members in that House. There was no class of Protestants in Ireland but took their share in this connnon stream of abuse. In short, it was the plan to call all Protestants Orangenien. The Speaker himself, the Members for Oxford, for b'oirierset, and for Kent, were all designated ita Orangemen, and the term was intended as a reproach.—(lleur, hear, hear 1) —He would resist this unfair. Inese, and he denied the reproach. lie -would state to the House how far he assented to the principles of the Orange In stitutions, anti he would put th e H ou se an d the publi c in pos. possession of what those principles were. Those principles were little known ; for, when they were described by the Catholic supporters, there was very little change of Ahe public arriving at their real character. They might as well expect a fair ac count of the Government from the pages of the Morning airo. nick, or from the mouths of those who invariably opposed it. —The Honourable Member -then went into a description of the origin of Orange Societies, and stated that they were firet founded for the purpose* of mutual defence, and in support of the Constitution and laws -as established by the Revolution, against the faCtions that were ravaging the country in the year 1795. As their numbers advanced, and they were joined by gentlemen of great property and talent, they agreed to certain regulations, and to the administration of a secret oath. This was the part of their conduct to which he objected. if the Le gislature had declared that it was illegal to administer a secret oath, the act was a bleach o f t h e l aw i n one party as well as atiother.—(Cheers.)— He would never enter into any society which was bound by oaths or principles of secresy. His Right . Honourable Friend should therefore have his entire support in the measure which he intended to bring forward. Independ ent of the oaths, be agreed most cordially in the principles of theie Societies. Their acts had always been beyond re. proach. When the unnatural union took, place between the Catholics and Presbyterians, and they had a Committee in Dub lin for organizing troops and other rebellious objects, it was the Orangemen who resisted them, and formed the rallying point of loyalty and patriotisM. Their acts were the constant theme of admiration and praise in the Irish Parliament. Their prin ciples remained the - kame thttiugh all changes, and were totally distinct from those of the other Societies., The Hon. Member 'then named the other numerous Associations in existence front that time downward, and said that they had indulged in rapine,- robbery, assa.ssination and all the most diabolical acts—being at all times stimulates ` to them by a religious spirit. What was the conduct of the Orangemen in all eine time ? They adhered Ito their principles of loyalty and support of the laws--and to place against the crimes which he had described, there was dressing the statue, walking in procession with banners, and drinking the glorious memory. Upon these occasions there had been attempts to bring karliament to decide against the existence of these S oc ieties. _ f ind upon all these occasion s it was remark a bl e t h a t the Catholics were making eats to renew the disturbances of the country. At one of them tire Catholic , ,Board was being eetablished in Dublin, which was a daring body set ting itself up above the Le g i s l a t ure .— It had its Com m it tee s, its Chairmen, and its Secretaries, and it levied mo ne y a mong the 'Catholics. It passed rms. lutions, declaring that the acts of that Boar d . had more authority with the Catholics than the Acts of the Legis lature. The, Government found it necessary to suppress this Board, and its s u ppression gave the . greatest satiefac to make an at tac k u p o n Orange Societies, to cover the de s i g n s tion to all loy a l p e rsons. But this was the p er iod ch osen of this daring and self-constituted Parliament. The third at tack which had been made upon them wee in the present :session, and he allowed that this speech of the Hon. and Learned Gentl eman was more moderate that he had expected. d (Hear t)—lt wo u ld be recollected Unit in November last ei g ht men ha been tried for adnlinisteriPg +secret oaths. It was dis covered that in . Dublin there ware 'seventy-five lodges of Rib ban-men, consisting of forty-five each. Their obj ec t was t o se parate th e two kingdoms, to extirpate the Frotestant.religion, and as one of th e w itnesses confessed, to cut off eresy. Then was found upon them also a loyal oath, bet that was only car-' ried as a proteetion, and never was intended to be worn. If o t thi s i n s l a in - o d e? d a u n d ot alarm lessse the sensibility sibi Protest a nts, ityof (i an ge t r h ettyl hadthan m l os e s in t elligence of i o n a t t e e ll r i g me c n e . It was the practice of the Catholics_ to endeavour to milder the Orangemen 'odious to the people by imposing upon their cre dulity as to the intentions of that body. Among the papers exa mined by a Secret Committee of the Irish Parliament, there were fabileatedvaths and regulations said to belong to the Orange Societies, and which had been drawn uplor the purpose of dis tribution among the people. They contained resolutions that each Member should be provided with a •Citsd of horse pistols, and a sword, and twelve rounds of ball cartridge; that he should be ready at a moment's warning to burn all the Chapels and Meeting-houses in the'City of Dublin. These expedients of deception were not. new, for he found in Harris' Reign of King William it was stated that the same practices were re sorted,to for the purpose of creating hatred and fear of the Pro testants. Upon the same principle that daring and execrable outrage of a few individuals, which had recently been committed against the Lord Lieutenant in the Theatre, was magnified into an attempt on the part ofthe Protestants at large to overthrow the Government., VF as this the way to carry on the work of conciliation which had made such great progress since his Ma jesty's presence among theni"? The Catholics had calculated upon the result, and they wished to outrun the steps of time in accomplishing their object Holding these opinions, be should oppose the Address.—(Hear, hear.) . • • Mr. M. FITZGERALD said, that if it had not been for some observations of the Honourable Member who last ad dressed the House, there would have been almost an unani. mous feeling of satisfaction at what had taken place. He should not follow the Hon. Member through his description of the fruits of those discords and convulsions which had been the misery of Ireland. When, however, the Honourable Member stated, that the Orange Societies arose out of a wish to de fend the peace and tranquillity of the country, he denied it on the authority of the Acts of the Irish Parliament. lie well recollected being on the Secret Committee alluded to by his Honourable Friend, and • that the evidence adduced before that Committee proved, that up to the invasion of Ireland by the French, 'not one Catholic was admitted among the Society of United Irishmen, except one of the Directors, a Dr. M‘Niven,l who was, in fact, any religion. His Hbn. Friend had assured them that Orange Societies did not exist before the year 1795 but it was notorious that long before that period people's houses had been burned, end' every epeelca of devaetatitm practised upon them. And this was at a time when Catholics were not admitted into the Societies of United Irishmen, from an apprehension that they were not cordial in the cause. His lion. and Learned Friend, who moved the question, had been asked why he had not directed his motion against other Secre Associations as well as the Orange Societies? The an swer was obvious. Those other Societies were prosecuted by the Government which had convicted many of their members. The fact was; that the Orange Societies were too strong for die . Government ; and although he .(Mr. F.) did rot charge the members of them with entertaining treasonable designs, it was but too evident that their existenceencouraged Counter-associa. tion. These were the grounds of the motion of his lion, and Learned Friend, and he trusted the House and the English ' Fetiple would concur in opi n i on w ith hi m . Hi s H onourable riend opposite had divided Ireland into two parties--the Orange and the Catholic; by which of course was to be 'un derstood that Orangeman and Protestant were convertible terms. He did not agree in the division made by his Hon. Friend. , Ile trusted and believed that there still remained a portion of moderate Protestants who occupied the neutral ground ; and he trusted too that a moderate Protestant would not be called a rebel; for this appeared to be the meaning of his Hon. Friend. Mr. DA.WSON, in explanation, assured his Hon. Priemthe had not stated any thing which had intended to convey such a meaning. Mr. FITZGERALD said his lion. Friend had certainly stated that the rebellion was put down by Orangemen, who were then the only loyal subjects. Now it was within his own knowledge, that, in 1798, in addition to the K'ing's troops and yeomanry, there was a militia of nearly 27,000 men, the greater part of whom were Catholics. Ile was aisSociated in the course of his military duty with Catholics, and he could bear testimony, if it were necessary, to the zeal, ardour, and bravery with which they had distinguished themselves, and for which they had received the king's thanks over and over again. His Hon. Friend opposite had said that it was. Orange. men who had put down the rebellion. He referred to the assertion, not to contradict it, for it contradicted itself; hut to spew how the spirit complained of could affect even the most honourable and generous friends—(lleer !)—What then must be its effect upon illiterate persons who were moat likely to • come almost in personal contact with the Catholics? But thire hail always been a remarkable difi'erence between the people of England and those of Ireland, with respect to party.-- In England, wheneve r th ere w as a national object, the people were unanimous, but, in Ireland, the Government could succeed in a public object only by arming faction against faction. In Ireland there was the raw material for a good public mind; but if Government did not take the country out of the hands of faction sooner or later the connection would be severed. Ile understood that if Government would give a pledge that the ;,10th George 111. as it n ow a ppli e d to Eng.' land should :be extended, to Ireland, and impartially acted upon, his Hon. and Learned Fri e nd would withdraw his mo. tion. But there was in Ireland a party spirit which denutnded the prompt and serious attention of the Government. The violence which had lately agitated the capital was notorious, and he wait glad it would in some shape be brought under the notice of the House. He would not however piastre this part of the subject,'because he had no wish to interfere with a topic which was connected personally with his Right lion. and' Learned Friend' the Attorney-General for Ireland. lie email not however forbear from observing," that the charges preferred against the present Lord Lieutenant by the Orange party were merely in substance, that he had acted a negative part; that he had acted neutrally and impartially, and without inclining to one aide or the other. The feeling which had'been excited by his moderate conduct had been pretty plainly displayed at a Beef Steak Club ; n ot a Cl u b s i m i lar to that of the same name in England, which was confined to objects of carousing ; but a club which was a sort of conclaVe of polities. Here the mem. hers disposed of governments, aryl propounded the deepest political maxims. They had exported the herd Lieutenant in the shape of a toast, professedly embracing a proposition in political economy; The toast was —" The Exports of Ireland, and may herenemies be among the first." The toast was un derstood to allude to the Lord Lieutenant, his Secretary, and the •Attorney-General.—(A laugh.)--Ilis Ma city' s visit to Ireland had caused th e only calm he had ever known it to en. joy, and he much wished that those Geutlemen had acted upon his Majesty's recommendation, lie would remind the Government, that at the close of the Irish rebellion, in the year 17118, when the rebellion itself had assumed a religious character. Lord Cornwallis was sent over to check the party now complained of. Ile did so,. and he perfo rme d t h e d uty in a way which `conferred a sign a l service on the country, and would cause his name to be remembered with gratitute. If his Majesty's Government would imitate the example of Lord Cornwallis, they might confid en tly l oo k. f or as fortunate a re sult. Lord Cornwallis, however, had been sent over by an United Cabinet, and no measure could be adorned with effect while there was a division in their own councils. In conelu. soon, he expressed his satisfaction to find that his Honourable and Learned Frieutt was willing to withdraw his motion on the Government giving such a pledge as he had mentioned. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that the . House would under. stand the anxiety with whi c h h e addressed them on this mo tion, when he stated, that although he conc urr ed I n o pi n i on with time Right Honourabl e Gentleman who had just spoken, on the necessity of union, he west still prepared to give a de cided negative to the present motion. lie however should be sorry to do so, without distinctly explaining the sentiments he entertained on this subject, and whkh would guide him to the vote he should give. Ile declared, fully and uneptivocally, that his object was peace, anti the calming of party spirit.— He desired no triumph ; he 'wished . to prevent a triumph on either side ; and h e wou ld add, that he should deprecate even success, if it were thought he owed it to a party aseociation. Ile was well aware that time opinions of an individual were of little consequence ; but lie was also aware that, connected with public situation, those opinions received a weight which they would not have secured of themselves. It was on this account that he was, particularly anxious to express his opinion, for, if in fact, he had ever pledged himself to the support or appro bation of time Societies against which this motion was levelled, he might still offer any arguments that might suggest them selves against the motion ; arguments standing all together on general grounds, and not connected with these Societies, amid yet, it might be supposed, that his latent object was the securing of the triumph - of the party in question. His senti ments on this subject had been expressed only once in Perlin tnent ; and the occasion arose out of a motion made, in 1814, by a night Honourable Baronet (Sir John Newport) for an Address to the Crown, for copies of all addresses which had been presented to him (Mr. Peel) he then being Chief Secre tary for Ireland, an d cop i es of all answers to those addresses. —The Right lion. Baronet made the motion under an impres sion, that he ( e Mr. I'eel) had encouraged the Orange Societies. Ile (Mr. P.) himself seconded the motion, which was agreed to,. and no return was ever made to it; for in fact he laid received no addresses at all. He now distinctly declared that he had never in his life recognised an Orangeman in that character.-- (Cheers.}-.-Ho was was once thanked by a (band Jury for a de fence which he had made for the Orange Societies; anti he would state the occasion of it. In the course of the year 1814, Petitions were pr esente d b y an lion. Baronet, (Sir H. Parnell we believe) containing attacks upon the Orangemen; and he then certainly defended them by becoming testimony to their past services to the Country, their loyaltyand their obediente laws;toocagnrhoirtharnoenve,asmc,epoce.rrN question. unnecessary, K h T t ini iilo..joioenuatslebdntuisjui e r i in, neltv.clbealt oniqAa"dtni o u t k utt it embittered individual) l • any political confederafy, bound together as theirs was : set J but he expressly said that he did not approve d this was the only public declaration he hrd ever made on tlt suct. Last year some papers had been sent him. containiq thews and regulations of an Orange Institution in Englaet with the opinions of several eminent legal Gentlemen, declarief their belief that the institution, a s formed, was legal. The et sorer which he sent he had indorsed on the letter containing tie Resolutions. The letter was dated the 2.2e1 of Feb. 111•22 andtk endorsement ran thus—" Desired Mr. Hold:mese to Call 024 say I do not approve of the establishment of ()range. L in EnFland ; and that, legal or not, I think they will doge good. %--(Cheers.)—He assured the House he troubled thee, with this only to show that he could address himself to thi question free from any pledge. He considered the questine itself might be considered on most important constitutiork grounds. The lion. and Learned Gentleman had said that lis object was to put down the Orange system. and that he wan the authority and ascendancy of known laWs. Ile (Air. P.), t u h po ou n g r h a t rt t y hi s s pi w ri as t. the only way to combat such societtes n wi- t !, effect. No doubt it would be proper and mime to prevet tho u ! awdoitillidinisbteeritnog.ocofuset:rile,otenogoaethtifsla,erthhpuerittriiteithpwaie imposeible to 14; 0 111 4 3 _ , Learned Learned societiest . led,l ( 1 9 i i t t i t l‘ no , e r y . h s P l i a t t ; l i e . h i:l e e t th ai n h dri t e e nid i n ei g l i it t l i g e ° o:n nt ei .. ctie. a: th n n ie tie ! : party spirit and to irritation. If hi he would ask how the I-lon. and Learned Gentkman Pf t ; er d to deal with the difficuly ? Would he suppress all ,E , 1 1 „, societies ?—(Hear, hear ! frofn Mr. Abercomby.)—:l"%cibh Gentleman said " hear, hear !" but surely it *la ' n4)° l m en that he could intend, in a free country like this, to Pat t i t i t , all political society. His (Mr. P.'s) mode of dealing a,', „ _,„,, would be to employ die influence of Government in a tice,',., raging the feeling. lie was fully sensible that a man co 1a!': take a strong part in public without obtaining the tit''. Orangeman. or some other party designation bathefen; always afraid of dealing too harshly with pain 3 0 4 ' ant feared violent interference might ageravate it. The Iftuel., Ire' leo L a tea nundrse rn w ed enfoer G mG en oos d vaem ema y mora n en h : a gw d e: tru sent l o y ; said htlt 't h h e a p t r t , l , i t e en i t ' e 7 lll 4 o ,3 ", r a i sLaw f i n te , fering with them as individuals on that account. '11 4 . 1 . 1 74, duct ; amt this was the course taken by himself in Jol. , Y , ±.'y o , He had sent a letter to the different Brigade.illejorsn I e _.,. manrY, forbidding the Yeomanry appearing in items o thatt'','„ p u n i iril ai .ne i cr4 . iillr l eY lu loi t fe th ati e lde n n c lia a o t t u ttld e ilre th ter' e f thfeomennilsliodly;nieel.lioniTn:ll.l;l:l: e t: 'l { l l :. l ec e ; ; :: :: :t g : t , it ie p t 7 l l, tunes. And must not the House see the difficulty 10, inner 4 , sented itself to a UovernMent forbidding this Pr th3t • tu ton ?"‘" though the playing of it might excite considerable ir s rl,T re l wr itti Cou ttohe:r t n ro fue ul lionc ik we .as . suslabiecnltCehisely.yaeardviiserahil,e:vhiennit i h ie e had ( hl ll , i ' e : f e:g etra t cei rt o: i t : t w un ro es te , t o o b th ser e ved llri e :ade illajor of Yeomanry+ "t ati a'eee their vernment conceived .they t w hi o n t g ild give the best pree_ to e f ite loyalty by avoiding proofGovt.rnu of attachment.l en t woul d dia c , :o t , n n i hi tri s ie i th ese t r le h ee r n i a *e l l d : ' i t re t n t i l n 4w i e l o ! l i: l r id i:l s Pn i ll isi f i l 'o rr e Y e t r ill l h i fe ti i e 'l : t. : a ri y irb): l l Tl o l , l° l l; o. e s tlt sa l°o l t l_ l: .: in stl e,i v rt g : l l : :: lth:ll th r °ll : o r . i . still held ; and all that lie asked was, that he mig l at, _ on this ed to differ front the Honourable and Learned 31elleeren,:,.., question, without having his sincerity called into es I _'", i • he (near. hear *—The Hon. and Learned Oentleinan,;..p.) w jpotielf.. i ctse e so l ed ie nmo d ecernb t igy o use d hitl i tie s sys 4 . : nu t o‘ u ifi r gio ar cii,iatiottned al . 1 t e h m e l iltaiewa,l he e „r s:associationic,i : he t: n o t ,l l : eo t li .e. :l ci t:al r ; objected to this so far as regarded the dealing with l e w b e por, the county when an attempt was made to °Yerreould thel that affiliated Societies, bound together hy . ostlisl .e it de Ile never - wort . : de law of Ireland, to this respect, aught to be assinnlatea_rende• of England.—(Cheers.), -In afew weeks he shoul,i. De ee ' re e t h e Atto the ,o t eio• ril heopaanvrt o fiey t n ' tno l A re eisd lan ioc: d ratti f lian o nsl r sem m ;tun a cibgh k ul i i n tti g t,,sht f ej u n rt d h hi4 e es r oit eo veer n tli c e T tnsi i y on pci ' e s ui.) ; , P ,cly : , o 7 4 s e e ; l oe ; f t , ji`i‘ His opposition . to those concessions was I n i that dr•Ti ;tot think that Secret Associations were the best t i a 10 40 la sisting the Catholic Clainis.—(hear, hear !)f 1 e he 1010 ' 1 oo e wn i lultb;:o tl e eeictedt.iitia l l a tret:npeu tt e tedtetgtra t dst s eoetd, i vrohhww i btee d f,: i n,e4seomini e srt i dftwio l atio ; : l eitidu l rch e a .tmhh%iht e t: Tl i erri.che . ; ;li dnd:wlti t drontaingo l h iea l wklelf e i nvset s asifioote v nit , t htool, Bl rghl i gut h r t u l eiol h l ivr ° nt i sb g tinetue e ti oaohraeotinn ° tfrv l re t nte ll eg l oads o lir a live ) t s la) e o s i L yiieocr l i t : (fndolrn ' ir e( bn ie°.. epoeditl e t i r ie P t:iineli b i , 6n c ilea: P er esero l ico il eoi e t)c s elt °s sn l utBapcu • er )oic e git i t.2(lrme ia ;i)e c e,h tl ielstirn i'l i.a, s t ss il eb ° )esstio nd h if, n tl:6lll ' s,o v ia cllo' sg.iiiv,tptoter e stiroosr: riAni d '') ; s it_fr), ellt ti. r, t ,e,thisAti l i.,:r i zei, l l ` inylio t taiti )°) lensift i t t . eutsc,nt:,,aest:i t' : , l°' o ll :'- nro T teirt ril t . :o ' lll.l l : Tatilltt il vth i3 ocoli l i t eeith el ' t:ci f ie r ittr in iii i t ' i l_litt c ° s.,lllstiikt ei ci ll iti... l ocnotmr P e.ttist, g t 3 - 111 I t: i l li c' eli,: i e isr.t g iii. it . -, more generous than those of policy. The tr i l l ; Clitl { d C y it it safely oii n a g ! , k e the en Catholic a wiie , ther there we' 11 '.. es orct I r e . . r case, have connection cured; t. Frenchti . e b P 1 i but : : vingnh a eh e t cilen ( fi pot i m ",o bl.liireel.: r n wa o rvit t at Igtil:m'ill:lin'itt°ett should 'ol 4Protestantforgete l imirP e r -Aci ) r elehe l ialuagt I:tsnt eehl: eltntilr'l'te)PrneP °l tjtr .° tort tjci ii services tiii‘e:l 3; '''lll. I n't.fa::Yad'tri an it II"' ' wthiliie::t* 1:e 1 )-11''ir:.-I°.: ni I'll I. : t winw io asvou n:. ilid H ptiaft e :l l : r oere e n li st e hth y ha ed eetre n o:p o ear:sa inst ance h a d e ver born kiln eduro l st . c 3 support of the laws, n :Li e n fmerattnnutigtooralalnuedwe..e teookit be .isles , io gibe _.,, matter 0 „ wn s eating e. t . a te. fleas nlo.edfththec:fontirmsotiutusoetfioanalelddres.3 tonfitihet7euereinssigainies: "*".l 17ht rea'l ' to concur in "Is to trial deeply prejudiced by the reeolutio . of edatetsh, if the latter, it was useless and unconstitutionale' in one el ',ll Crown ; for new laws must necessarily origins: in t he li o f eite ° r , tis calle d o uc n. 'll 'D H : I n s Z rO a h e ' l e n 1 '1,•• andascertain e vlmsrwelette,l3 less yal e :i t ' . tiln time soir o h b .b i tier Y rl c e yco l p n ee l )fl i i re l I:: the I t4 t r ,n t lis e h e d° ahe collectively.il breach c e haf e ep a g a fh a l , . nri r in l ois c e o t n n oh t t ' t ri ' ti u rl i l or r iho a s bs i) on at e a n a e li ;) I s sr t l ie w ei ' ' i r ): : i I ' s o tL i : o. 0, ~t; ‘ , ' e": 1 ' ) u ,i t .fa li tpool vl l , ~t wt ,,ti nd i r)t t. : ). ric, :: I, l n: it at ' .e ' ss vt l e ,tn s tl l i l pb ak ti o n in _ rre l ) s oi n , o re: el or : 0:30 ° Ot h g e t I ,, : tgl i: ip l :II 1 t e3 i til,. ige d o ~4 1 , , . a ivi 4 sa dA ivl , l it 'c o l '''' ;41 1 1 ic °' bi 1,00 0 t t o r f e o d ee I Doti lti.l 0, Cl;; 1 1 at 'l ,. ::, Houses of Parliament. T here' ass, 11 ,_,P a '„ s i s ,,ged the„,i i t 10 0 re liable to some misconception ; Imo oe '".'. d biol.. se te. able and Learned Gentleman had expreele the H e e 00 distinctly. The passage was that by whic h un o ell f o p. upons was, of his Majesty's subjects, equally, the hen e,“_, , i n his e : t olic dnecoladreolibitst, wish to P t : o :e nrn ' fi'prgut i Olt e ' tO tli t ieleCePt illd illif:: I rd n allusions a ne tla i w n a s o n ir i g t n c e e r t : e nt n 'na e d o s w t l e i .< intended . intended ii i h ail c oe r . s e l He saide: t ai w t os n a n a 3 s , c a nrlB.l:7:i;titiithri toeste Ile gy t i ; s l i t sai br°ll o: ll ::: i i . , ! l ! d t. i th ojoi vpsfilneealfl artyrettn n t. fi ieteg Ithitttdni became r,isiitt,..ll,:;lol Society, ritadviseo often the n r a n lousehi high h not a n u d i d h e e clar th e ou a l g i li r t. rP o r f 0 9 3 1 : 1 9 ::::::: and leearned illember himself must he 0va1 . % o vecl4 c altf r e I oa li fn t d d eDn e A u ds s sfie e r t n u ationsi a p t 7event li t e he th People, though they were not bound together "'i t wolu e l e d th! oaths all were now agreed tO :the'provde aereda s hieh dis, no" which would be effected b ) ,, ettle std the festation of the spirit migoohautighbile: he coda '( :::::on:are::0 the would follow, aggravated by feelinge of ir r at i r o SOCie i t l iv orl! A t i t which had published Resolutions signed " T. -. 4) ,,, not v er y / 4 ' tinutiOnalfregroe county dfiirlsdaphparodyeadroigfhtlti to I;e ti'.11:;": h ir e en ;: e el tie t c°66l e d hlr e ae p a r cor m encse ted the idea of a triumph. Beibre .t ha cl elill / e" curred in the preventu r i t g un o i f tY t4 f d s r ta es t si h n l g t°lll"f‘ t l l li te g i te rn lc eo lit'[ ' ,-- t e Statute last November.—(Cheere)—and th at e. „ Ooirel, n o t sl d i i i d v er id ed th th e a is PP h r ie °b e a o t n it) ei n irr n e f n h ce l' a : s lie'hietirelY rer :4l ihe t s t t ‘i i; the shortly o though a Bill would be brought in on the seleliee hi!, 0 0 ; t i T o s p ted niety th o e f re fl ) o e u e se ting w i o n u ._f ld negative, unless the lion. and Learned Meni es , et ..es h ~, to withdraw it. He by no means wis'aed the R" he p 0.70 ta Gentleman to withdraw it ; but if it s houto vi o l ha he had aiwn7alhwueadmv:::euealittedtedr.tainiete, reerittredgertuetrocl of the 111 , - I rit I Air. G RAT rAN spoke shortly in (airier not th e n to el i s e, Mr. Secretary CANNING said be did he ha v p Cre% t e e his i on . reason, . Int 1 e 1 1 i i l e a ii should, intention of detainin the !louse, nor wet' iont eirith ; I s P hi all but for the personal allu.'ilon which an i ii. ilevl A Itift d man did him the honour to make in his sre c yat iens• w e eo te e „ that his hope of the prosperity of Ireln I .. . me et 0 bat h Id the t a ',„ t a li f . 1;7, greater if the different Members of the 0 0 „ve e „ 1 " te ellis. I - irel",, l Lieutenant, as in the time of hoed t.. o '2 e je e re ° s t cre., A , undivided upon a question on which the w oe stde e est , , tj atspidokreesseaa7ityViivin ohsereete, I, „,,,, he el • ht lion° , e iller ' , en r"' was deeply concerned . , The liti i t m oo °bre' l ie/ wished to see a (4m:eminent united 01 1 t" a ou ter to et, or, ill but ready as he was to make sacrifice -4 in. aet en t," se cce' te e object, he was convinced to unite a Cob' f e deeo,,t 0 11 1 1 0 1 other leading question, was most 1.1 t he the pre!`:, epli e d, the experiment could not be hoped for. 14 o f h0p0 i 7, 4 ,0 01 ; 0 , of persons, he abandoned the sanguineness lie holt , iie li ' it ., etiontire thel to that question. Although on the ()nee d g ill 6 ' l ,,iitti there was difference of' opinion, he coo: tto A dore - Gent. it was not possible to unite a Cabi ll . . , . (et,Tuiefrsol.l),:evrt: aisg:lever thotitii,,eooo,l phi e e