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dreis by the whole Honse, and !o move - that it be, carried up by.sucti Alen.btrs as are of the Privy Connell. On the question, a division took place. Al es Noes Copy of Lord W I's Reply to Lo:LVT:•:• , t Lxpl:;natory Letter of the 19th, Alay, • given iii our 'aper of ywerday. MY D!AR LORD, Apsley Hots• :,'May at, tfiz. Aithougil you have had the goo arress to dispense my redlining any answer to your letter of the tgth instant, some faitherpbset pations on my part may, perhaps, contribute to pr,..mote the pr4.tessed objet} of that letter, by extol ainingand corre&ing whatever may appear doubtful or erroneous the course of our recent correspondence. When yOu informed me, that your opinion upon the claims of the Ronian 'Catholics remained un- Majority against it . —2, The G4llery was then re-orened, and we found Doi.% WORTIASY expressed nis regret, that he had been induced to withdraw his motion for carrying up the Address by the whole House. The country would see that a minority of two under the circum stances they were obtained was similar to triumph, notwithstanding he,had been talceu by surprise. Admiral FlAtivEN wished to exoon the grounds of bit vote, but was called to order. Mr. WHITBREAD, sexing the si!tiation which tie House way placed by the proceeding adopted, obsei-ved, t hat the Noble Lord had induced his Ho nourable Friend to withdraw his motion incautious ly. • lie appe +led to the Chair, to ascertain in what mannerstlie resolution could heconvey.ed to the throne. The 'SPEAKER informed the _House, that there were_ only t • Mod.-g ; namely—by the .whole House. or by .such Members ai were of the Privy Counc - 1. The House *id negatived: the motion for catrying the Resolution •up by the:latter mode --and t lierefore the only alternative was to carry it up by the whole House. Nlr. C. WYNNE moved, "That it be presented to his Royal Higliness by the Mover and Seconder," (Mr. Wortley and Lord Milton.) The Spe...Kka observed, that it was his duty to note, Oat he knew of no departure from the usual course in these cases, which course he had a*eady 3lt ,blit , nevertheless,itwas for the Hou.e to decide. Mr. WouTt.r.v had no objef:tion to obey the corn marv.l" of the House, and should consider it the prondest day of his life. After some further discussion, the gallery was cleared for a division, hot the Hriuse LIA not divide, and the mo.ion was carried.—Adjout ned at Half-past EL yen o'clock. Consols, MR :I:, OF STOCI,S. THIs DAv AT TWILM'CLOCK. . Red. Ann. - 59; 60 1 6o 'IH S U N. 3 ,, LKM QUIS LIICAItt IiALSUNI (kUPPI , A LONDON. ninky t MAY 22, 1812. changed, and that you were not aware of any change in the opinion of your Colleagues on that subject, I certainlyconcluded, tllgt the policy, which had been pursued, during the present' session of Parliament, would be continued by the new Cabinet. Subse quent refleaiop satisfies me, that such a conclusion was just and teasollable ; nor ran I admit that I have ,A Debate of very considerable length took place yesterday in the House of Commons upon Mr. STUART WORTLEY'S Motion for .an Address to the PRINCE - REGENT, praying that he would be pleoled to form a strong and Efficient Administration. We shall not at present occupy the time of our Readers with considering the propriety of an interference of of tt,is hi::d before the new Administration has begun to a&, or, indeed, before it has been compietely formed. The Motion was carried by a majority of four. - What may be the consognence of vote of the House of Corn- tilo!lo., it is imOosNible to foreiee, but it is cer c alzohted to excite the most serious teilec 1 . 1J1S: It . 130 W appears, both from the Correspon• deuce which we published yesterday, and from wha! fallen into any misapprehension of that system of policy, when have described it at consisting not only in tho denial of any present relief to' the Ro man Catholics,. but even, a peremptory retusal to consider the state of the law which affects tlieir civil condition. Whatever may be' the different charaCteteor com plexion of the opinions of the several Members of the present Cabinet, ars praCtical result has been to pursue the course which I have described, during the present session of Parliament ; and your explaa nation on this point closes with an admission, that year are all agreed to continue the same policy in the present moment. No 'suggestion is made of the time or circum stances, in which any alteration of this system• of policy can be expeeted 5 no prospeit is afforded of any, conciliatory proceeding, which might tend to open the, way to an amicable settlement ; and, while a desire or hearing specific propositions of security is professed; the- very consideration of she question is defiled td Parliament, and is not pursued by any other authority._ This statement is no misapprehension of the te net' of your explanatory letter ; and in such a atate of the praetical consequences of the united Councils of the present Cabinet, it ifiry be ereemed superfluous to analyse individual sentiments. • This task - (however useless with regard to present praitice) is required froiu me, by the strong pro'est which you have made against any inference to . be drawn from any declaration of your's, ".that it is, " or ever has been your oeinion, that under no cir " cumstances, it would be possible to make any alte " ration in the laws respetting the Roman Catho f° To this protest you have added an assur ance, " That von. the last occasion, on which the " subjed was discussed.irt Parliament, you expressly " stated that circumstances might arise, in which, in " your judgment, some alteration in those laws " would 'be advisable." I confess freely to you, that I had always under stood your recorded opinion on this subjeel in a very different sense: had.supposed that you consideaed the disabilities_ imposed by statute [Tom the !Lillian Catholics, not as Tempora , y and occasional securities, against a temporary and occasional danger, bat as an integral and permanent part of the Constitution in Church aid State, established at the Revolujon. In this opinion, I had always understood, that se veral of the principal Members of the present Cabi net.concurred with you; and that you falt, in com mon, an apprehension, that the removal of any im portant Matt of this system of restraint would en danger the foundations of the Establishment of our Laws, Liberties, and Religion. Viewing in this light your sereiments, and those of the respeaable persons to whom I refer, I am persuaded that I shall not. be suspeCted of intending to cast any reflection upon the honour or honesty of those principlas, or of the persons whO main tain them. I have ever considered those princieleato be pure and . .• honest in the minds in Which' I supposed them to reside ; and, while I gave full credit to their sincerity, I lamented their erroneous founda tion and dangerous tendency. I must farther declare, that from some accident, I did not hear the statement in Parliament to which you refer, as having been made by you, on the last Occasion, iu the House of Lords. • I now, however, understand your opinion to be, that circumstances may arise, in which, in your judgment, some alteration would be advisable in ttie laws tiffeeling the Roman Catholic. I should be desirous of urging • the same inquiry respecting cireumstatiras, which, you have made re speating securities ; and I should be auxieus to hear the specific statemept of ALL, OR ANY' OF 4 1110 SE CIRCUMSTANCES, under which you would 2d,vise any alteration in tire laws respelling the Romeit Ca aholics. The explanation, which you require respecting securities, is attainable only by a full coolideration ar i d dismission of the whole subject ; and I theie foie view the declared intention of resisting the. first teen towards such a discussion, as an effectual barrier against that explanation, which you consider to bp the, necessary preliminary to any alteration of the existing statutes. The deails of your reasoning on this part of the question, render the prospeet of any settlement ut a terly Inipeless. You require a change in the state of the opinions, feelings, conduit, and temper of the Roman Catholics, as a preliminary, even to the con., sideratioa, of the causes of their complaints. But is it possible to expel effeetualchange in the tem per of the Roman e Catholic- Body, while yea refuse even to inquire intothe•nature of their grievance , *?. Tract repeated rejection of their claim, without any other deliberation titan that which has arisen on tye mere question of 'taking the petition into consideration, 13 not a course of proceeding calcu lated to mitigate. the aeverity of disappointment. Reason and moderation must appear in our consi deration of their prayer, it we hope to infuse those qualities into their proceedings. \ on require also a change in the circumstances of V e lrope.—lgnorant of the events which may have furnished any hope of such a change, since I had passed in the H&'se of Commons last night, that the Catholic Question farms the great obstacle to, the jun:.tion. of the MaTquis WELLS LEY and Mr, CAVNING to the present Ministry. His Lordship and Mr. CANI3ING also differ upon this point from the Ooposition ; some of whom recommend in , bsol tate unonnditional sut'render to the demands of he C while some of them talk of con • ditions which they have never ventured to specify, and of securities which they have never attempted to define. 'Under these oircum,tances, it appears, that if the present Ministers ate removed from office, the Catholic Question will.be brought forward by their successors as a -Cabinet measure, and that a compliance with the claims of the Catholics, eithei more or less prompt, , -either with or without con ditions, Will be the result. It is most important that . the Protestant subjeas of this Empire should be fully informed upon this subjea ; 'because, if, upon a full view of the ques tion, they are of opinion that the claims of the Ca tholics should be conceded, it is fit. that they should express their approbation, of a Ministry that will stand pledged to the accomplishment of that objea ; if, on tic other hand, they look upon the pro (Tick' change as big with danger to the religious e•A`sHishtnents of the Empire, and as subversive elf the. Constitution, as established at the Revolu tln, it is hi:hly Important that their sentiments 411.wid be mid:: known to their Representatives. We ire far train wishi:.g to excite any religious mil rtio,ilie; 5 we are only anxious that, if th6.Question is again to he brought forward, Parliament should to the discassion with the advantage of knowing the opinions and. feelings of all classes and denomit.ations of the subjeas of, this Empire, upon this most interesting and important point. ninsula. It is ql!ci th,it in - conseprenee of some C(4res pondence which has been discnvered, LucteNßun- NA7.Atrrft C:111 tin longer be suffered- to remain In tills country. Accen”ts have Teen received that BUONAPALTE ha 4 issued a Decree, bearing date. so back IEI t, repealing the Berlin and Mi. ian Decrees. If tljese Decrees are really and In etTea repealed, Our Orders in - Conncil will of course be rescinded. the honour of .a share in his Royal IlighnesS's Councils, 'I must consider the determination 'to lay this interesting question, until Europe shall have assumed a new aspett, as a virtual, negative upon the substance of the claiM ; and I tel this point with a greater degree Of pain, because I am convinced that the continuance of - Ireland in her present condition must potraa, if not perpetuate, • the present unhappy condition of Europe. • But, until these preliminaries shall have been es tablished, you declare, that it wifPbe your duty to resist Parliamentary Inquiry, which, 'in your judg ment, could be preduc!ive of no• other effect, than to alarm the " Psotestants, and to delude she Ro -man Catholics." At the same time, you effsr no hope, that she means of relief will be opened by any other authority. I cannot understand through wharchannel of rea son, or passion,Alie Pro , estants should be alarmed, or the Catholics deluded, hysa full and fair conside'r-, ation of the state of the laws atfeeting the hoer body. Indeed, I cannot conceive any proceeding so likely to remove al.trin, and prevent delusion, as that which appears to you likely to create both. On the other hand, I apprehend much more danger, both of alarm and of delusion, from any system of measures to be which on the general and indistinct terms, in you ,state, that, circumstances may ariseoin which some alteration in the laws would be aavisable.", You refer to considerations of a " VERY HIGH Ibl ronTANcE," which, usuila very late period of time, !tare precluded the Execniive Government and Par liament frnm entertaining this measure ; and yell . suggest, that in the opinion of some persons, these considerations have not lost their w;tiglit : - I presume, that you refer to the known senti ments-of the most exalted and venerauie authority in these realm, on the claimi of his Majesty's Ro man Catholic subjetts, As your letter seems to bear some reference to the course of my condua in Parliament, and in his Majesty's Councils on this subjeti, I avail myself of this opportunity to explain the motives, both of my former silence, and of the recent declaration of my sender - sears. At; the remote period of theyear t 797, upon . the eve of my departure for India, I stated to the late Mr. Pitt my solicitude, that he should dire& his attention to the settlement of Ireland ; and I ex pressed to him my . conVitc,lion, that Ireland could neither be happily settled, nertitmly united to Great . Britain, without a concurrent settlement of - the claims of his Majesty's Roman Catholic 'subias. The opinions which I declared to Mr. Put; at that time, tespettieg the 'substance of those claims; were precisely similar to those which I have stated in the House of Lords during the present Session of Pasha ment. Ills not nece,ssary to enter upon any teview of the transaaions whith passed during my absence in India, with relation to Leland, pr to the chilms of the Roman Catholics. I arrived from India in the-month of January, 1806, and alter one short interview , with Mr. Pitt, I assisted in performing the last sad office of follow ing his setuains to-the grave. Yort are aware, th ) at 'long before that period of time, " high considerations - to which you refer, had been fixed in full foice.; that no attempt to change those sentiments could have been made with any prospea of success; and that the result, even it a successful proceeding in Parliament, would have tended only to produce the most dreadful extrerhity of confusion. Yon must remember, that I have always lament ed (as serious national calamities, menacing the Constitution of the Monarchy) the reference, which has necessarily bepri made to the existence_ of those personal sentiments, and the causes which have oc casioned that necessity. With the warmest,sentiments of pers ss.al vene ration, attachment, and gratitude, my opinion has always been, that the duty..of loyalty and affection towards a British Sovereign does not consist in sub- Missive obedience, even to the 'honest prejudices or errors of the Royal but rather in respectful endeavours to yemove those prejudices and errors, by free advice in Council, and by temperate reinon strance in 'Parliament.' But the time for such endeavours had passed ; and I submitted reluctantly, not to my sense of the ge nuine duty of a faithful Counsellor towards . his Sovereign, but to the painful, and, by, me, irreversi ble necessity of the case. This is a subject Of the utmost, of the most pe rilous delicacy :-4our letter has opened it :--I will pursne it no bather than to assure you,, that when, on - the 3.lst of January, I declared, in the House of Lords, my sentiments respecting the Roman Catholic Claims, the necessity which had occasion ed my silence appeared to ale to have entirely ceased. The secood point of your explanatory letter re fers, to' the management of ' the war an the Pe- Your suggestions are necessarily indistinct, with regard to ihe additional means (which have occur red since ,nly resignation) of extending our militaty efforts in that quarter : I think I can collect even from your hints, that although those means are ex ! . tranetus, the probability of their exHstence might have been foreseen, as the natural result of insttuc tions which woe in progress of execution previous ly to my resignation: But my objection to the system pursued in the Peninsula, at the tiros of my resignation, was ap plied to the whole' frame and fabric of our perma nent arrangements, both in , Portugal and Spain,- which, in my jadgment, must be corrected and ex tended, not only with a view to the advantageous use of such means as Ne now possess in the Penin sula, but vet) of stich adventitious and extrtmt-ons means as events in oilier quarters may place at our dispos,l: Beleve we, my dear Lord, always . your's, most sincerely; led) WELLESLEY The Earl of Liverpool, The day before Boonaparie left PatiS, he publish ed another decree relative to grainy in which, in the true spirit of Robespierre's Government', he fixes a maximum (the sure way to aggravate the scarcity) in the price of corn, ordering it to be sold at the fate of 33 francs the becAolitre, or seven bushels and two-thirds of the old French measure. LONDON : Printc,l by 1 tiOMAS WOOD, sf N'o. 35, Maiden-lane, Covent-garden; and Published by WI I LIAM ARMIGER SCRIPPS, South Mol At the SUN OrricE, 'No, 11'2, Strand, where Advertisements, Urciers for the raper, 1 etters tar the Editor, -&c, ,(post-paid, NAVAL NEWS., PLYMOUTH, MAY ao.—Ani,Fd the Daittr, HYNE, from Majorca, last from Dartmouth ; thtt Polly, STocKs, from Dublin ; the Thomas,. ALEX.. A N 'from Lynn.; the I?otert and Nary, PUN TON ; and the Lamblon, TELFORI), from Suttd , r 7 land ; the Hop?, PALER ; and the Perseverance, HU ELTON, froM ,Neo castle. -. • DEAL, MAY 2 1,.--Saiied his:ll , jesty's ship Cut hope for off Flusl►il , g. ' Arrived Ills Majesty's ship., Olyinpia' from off Boulogne. Passed 1)y senerol J..ininicarnen fori theilirer. PottTsmouTu, I\'IAY 21.—His. rtittCt • Sylvia. was this day appointed, and sailed fur the 5., ) Downs with 3 convoy. COURT OF KlNG's BENCII,.MAY 21. LOVELL V. GOLDSMITH This was an ionic:lntent preterred.by the plaintiff, the proprietor, of The Statesman Newspapor, apinst the Detenclant„ who wra.; therein st. red to -be pro prietor of the Anti-Ga Wean newspaper, !or .a !inel. • Front the circumstances which were det4 l lo on the trial, it appeared than an essay, refit:Cling se verely ott the charatier of the- defendant, had ap peared in the plaintiff's Paper. Soon, after which an article, censuri% the " Editor of a certaia Even inp,, Journal," as a ivan destitute of charaaer or abin tity, and who bad been tried !Or felony at,t!,e Old Balky, appeared in The Anti-Gallican, conhtitutiog • - • • _ the libel complained of. A person, of the name of Harper, was called to prnve, that the defendant was Proprietor of The Anti-Gallican. But his evidence only went td,ibevv.• that he Ce as connected with that paper, but it W - not shewn in what capacity. Mr.GARRo*, for thrdefenclant, contended, thit proof of the defendant's being proprietor of the Pa per had not been made out, and, therefore, the plaintiff should he non suited. . Lord t LLENBORCUGIi considered the evidence_ vrtll sufficient to go to the Jury. A person of the name of Rdvegn deposed, that be believed Mr. Lovell was the person alluded to.in ttis article which appeared,in the number - of The. Anti' Gallican produced in Court. " The case for the prosecution being closed, Mr. GAR animadverted, with much severitY on the conduct of the plaintiff , who , having bee" the aggressor, now came forward to recover Ba the 'ln - such a case, one farihing must be sidered sufficient. Lord ELLE . NBOROUGEI, fin _ addressing the dwelt very forcibly on the inconsistenci .s of the ca.“!- On the record it .was stated, that the plaintiff ,v.'54 a moral, well-disposed man, ho , tho u g h proprietor of. a diurnal print, had river olferl de ', against, the laws ; at the very time that. he suffering, it.nprit4onment for an infratt:ou of thcsl laws.. This was an s-nnecessary piece of E;eli" commendation. It the Jury thought the Pi ° . prietorship bad been substanti Ate j, t h e y 10 5 s: tinr.t a verdict for the plaintiff; in that the smallest coin would - Oonstitut t If,- however, they considered tile erijence point dere6tive, they would find for she det•en d3 fcii The Jury, without , hesitation , returntAl verstl4:l the defendant. • The following is an account of the amount of the Property Tax, for the years ending the 5 11 ' 1810, 18,11, - and 1812.:-- April. tSio ,C 513,`0.71 r 9 Fin - the year endini; 1; :Sit, .11,321,454 6 thi s • 5,231,936 During the thunder Storm on Tue?,day evenwg' a Gentleman who was riding 'al'ong the Kensiog t l; road, was struck dead by the lightning, as wa 4 hors , l. On the body being taken up, it 5t13 ,;',1 strongly of sulpher ; but there was no ester:: marks by which the cause of death could be itlirr;j diately ascertained. In the pockets pf the tiec` a ;,.l were found several Bank notes, a gold wa'c ll '; - % :.(1 some letters, from which.latter it wa s aseert a ': i . i i that his• name was ROGERS, and that h e li%.eody Titchfirld-street, Mary-le-bone, whithe r the " was conveyed. t ool, On Friday last was committed to Bodeni n % de r IYilfiam B owden, labourer, for ;lid want ( 13L1 ',00 of his wife, by stabbing her in several places. bo dy inhuman wretch was in the a6 l of burning te.dool', with turf, when a neighbour calling ,at the ll and seeing him much gitated and confus ed ' ',,- L ier ed on going in, by which means this horrid to en J .. tiro discovered, and the rerpretater was apPreiri ed. They resided at a small hou,e n9 ar Redrot ,'~ RT O ly 'On Thursda y the 7th ult. of a Son, H kiac at Bth, Mrs• .• ,bil non, widow of the late IVLijo..(leneral Mackinnolil• a gu.• was unfortenatcly blown - up on the br e a ch of Out' drigo last latutary. . .. ' Linc °lll' On Tuesday the 17th inst. at 011ington-House, - shire, the Countess of Lindsey, of a Dnughter• ,„ o f i°' On Wednesday last, iii Devonshire. 'lace, thz La 6/ I rp: ? spit Blal;.e, Esq. of a Son. o• 1" The saute day, the Lady of c hristlpher Thonla ..--' Esq. of a Daughter. ----------- On Saturday.last, at St. lloioiph's, Altiergg,•'3lVi le ' 1.. P. Stephens, of Christ's Hospital, to li s s i lls , kky. , icy i,• , _ . l• l'i t, rill On WeilneStiay, at St. - lollies Church, 1 4 j'''''',; - „s S^' liana Hobson, jun.' Fsq. of Stamford-hill, to •N'''"" i, Pitlsford, ot , :t Thomas's-square, flack ney• Re; Yesterday morninA. at Thomas's-square, Church, ,I,Villir;l4i„uP" Esq of Aberile,m. to Nliss Eli: ;teeth I sAbeila, She e r. ter of Arthur till^rmie... F.. 54.. of Great Geofgc- 1" t161' On the 291 h of Septemher last, at "sei. Mr. 10 11 . t i l i•l i ' a fialhed. aged 21, i'ourth Mate of the [Ion: Eal4--ittle''' Company's ship Surrey, and second son of 1( 01 - • • Esq. of Yately, Hants. 1 • . 0 ger At Bailajoz, Lieutenant Alfred Street, of the Ar','.., ' i t fG r. ntent, of the wounds he received at the assault of 1 " tress. - A rl l O 6; On Wednesday thebth inst. at his house, Crelce„or - rica.square, William Mainwating, • Esq. in the 75 t " ' ... 0 1 hfs ages f • fscl• On Friday last, at Dun•liouse, I ohn Eit;k i°e ' . e Dun. On the tgth inst. at Southgate, in the 9•'h (If 1115 :!it : Robert White, Esq. - „ t i oi - a On ‘Vecinesdity evening, at Bal ham, in the C olln'ii'..-cf• rey, Mrs. Evans, relit of the l ate George E van s ' ' M ' sister of Sit-I:ha:les Price, -13 art• Pall •l'. , rr a fe' l Early yciertlay morning, in -Mail, a'tc illness, Mrs. Wiliiarn Heberdcn, a7,et.1•3 5 Yelr'" TO' }ilG 11f AT E A r LLo ß Nj i \c v )N fie :* Mornipg, 9 min. after lA, I Evening, 36 -_,....-- • - t9n,.strect, G rosveror-square, ), must ,be ~ r .~