The Sun. — London, England, 1852-03-20 00:00:00

g prayi ng for an inquiry into the cause of the expulsion of Protestant mi•iisters trom Pestb. „ MAXWELL presented a petition from Ca van, l' i t„Yioe' for prorpetion to agriculture. 'fi• r. REYNOLDS presented a petition from some of o r Cuff--street S a viega Bank deposttors, praying the r l .. use cumpenaate them Tor their losses terough t he milurenf the bank. M r. U , DUNCOMBE presented two petiti ons from p l acesL in th e W e st Riding, one in favour of t he Phar -4fl Bill* and the other against the Maynooth -grant. 4 tr. EW AR.T presented a p e tition, praying that the franchise may be conferred on all persons purchasi n g d eterred ` annuities iu eavitigs' batiks above a car lain amount , Lord JOHN RUSSELL presening a petition from "Patera in Suffolk, preying for the repeal of the malt Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented a petition from a place in Kerry complamieg of forged petition that was presen te d l ast year f ro m the same place ag ainst the Et.: c ee lesiastic d Titles Bill, tied praying for inqu i ry. The 11( Itourable Member gave notice that on Monday he should move that the petition be printed in the rules, With the view of founding a motion upon it. Sir JAMES GRAHAM. presented a petition from a Parish in Suffolk, praying for the repeal of the malt tax. Mr. GROGAN presented a petition from Weather -107, in Yorkshire, against the Maynooth grant. NOTICES OF MOTION. Mr. REYNOLDS gave notice that next Thursday he should ask the Right Honourable Gentleman the Se cretary for the Home Department what provision was t° ade by the State for the religious instruc tion of the n ;Innen Catholic prisoners contieed in the prisons o f nootland. Sir DE LACY EVANS gave notice that in going into Committee of Supply he should move a resolution on the subject of rifle-clubs. TREATY OF COMMERCE WITH BELGIUM. Alderman THOMPSON wished to ask the Right Hon. the President of the Poor-Jew Board if the treaty of commerce between this country and Belgium had been ratified. and if so. when it would be laid on the table. Mr. HENLEY replied in the negative. ; POST-HORSE DUTY. Colonel•SlßT.HOßP.wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the oemplaints of the poseenas. tare relafive to the poAt.horse duty would meet with an early consideteition, and whether he intended to give any consideration to his proposal to reduce the duty of 200 Per cent., which was at present imposed on .common fire itAttrince policies. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER begged /3 say that it was his duty to take into consideration every possible claim that could be urged in favour of a ;eduction of taxation. He was sure the HOD. and Gal tatit Member would not press him for a more definite, r iPIY at present. - - • -. NATIONAL EDUCATION IN IRELAND. jdr. OSBORNE asked the Secretary of State for the rot, Department whether it was t he intention of her rAlesty's Ministers to propose th e a pp ointment of a Se. ' t ctConniiittee of Inquiry into the system of national Lu e ooation in Ireland, with a view of introducing any u•liontial alteration in the principle of united education, raiehich th a t system was founded ; a nd whether it was i ntended to move for the appointment of such a Com 'utte9 before Easter? 't r . WALPOLE said it was not intended to propose sas a Committee this session, and when it was proposed it ot Would riot, be for the purpose of altering the principle /110 *tient syteem, but to render it more satisfactory alt Parties in Ireland.—(Hear, heir.) GENERAL BOAR' , OF HEALTH BILL. • only to Sir G. 'PECHELL.. CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it 11 7 ▪ intended to go on with this Bel to - nig ht if the y i ftehed it —( A laugh.) INCUMBERED ESTATES ACT. s• 1 1, 1 reply to Sir JOHN RO idILLY , It 4 ue',CIIA.NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, said it ~Ptolefeaed to continue this Act, whit) expires next q lI, for twelve months l one er.—(l3ear, hear.) PUBLIC-HOUSES .(SCOTLAND) BILL. 4 .0 reply. o Mr. 05W ALD, • t ee . ',N I% MACKENZIE said, if he •obtained an oppor 71tY he should renew this Bill before. Rester. , "2/DISSOLUTION. OF PARLIAMENT. `.. :MINISTERIAL. EXPLANATIONS. 44° I'd • JOHN RUSSELL, whose appearance was 1 . 11 / 4 ' for sileece throngbont the House, Canted said—l wish, to put a question of very great re ,Pcrtitticie to the Righ; Hon. Gentleman opposite, the '.•"':Ctleellor of the Exchequer. The House will recollect %het • at e ! on Monday last, in answer to question, the ,Right Gentleman,• , the Secretary of. State for the Colonies, tithed to thie House that he had intended to bring for- Ward &Motion with regard to the d istressin g effects t c loned by the measures regulating t he im p ortation of t/ auger; but being conscious that the G overnment w m • in a minority in that House, he did 0 4 ! think it proper to take that course, 4L he would endeavour to attain his ob j ect by 'oe• means which he thought most exp edient. He Pr oceeded further to say that the o p inion he en otained with regard to the distressing effects those measures was unchanged—that both Wit h reference to the state of the colonies a nd the nl i "Ilion of free trade, his opinions remained the same they - e were formerly .—(Hear, hear.) He stated n ter, that he received almost daily accounts 11l the West India colonies of the di s t ress which existed there; but he went on to say, " without bein g stall indifferent to that distress he had det e r mined fat this question, and others of the same nature, ought to be kept for the consideration of a future Parliament." Latauswer with regard to the distress which exist ed in the Neat Indian colonies, in reference to the policy pur ed on the sugar duties, applies likewise to the policy has Wh ich been pursued with regard to the questio n o f th e corn -laws, and other questions o f a similar na ture. Th e e House will see, therefore, that it is of the „ Zmost importance that it should have some assurance • this subject.—(Cheers from the Opposition benches.) heed not refer to what took place: on Monday night. v l crYbody has in his recollection the speeches which ere made by the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member U niversity Ripon (Sir James Graham) , the Member for the of Oxford (Mr. Gladstone), and the Noble t d the Member for Tiverton (Lord Palmers -431 The question which was asked me when __ t he Government, by Sir Robert Peel, in 1841, when a in a minority in that House, as recorded by a rot s of the House, I ask of the Right Honourable Gentleman, whether her Majesty's Ministers ‘Sre pr. pared to advise the Crown to dissolve present Parliament and summon a new tt rlianient with the least delay posoible consistent with •• t t due regard to the public interests reference to those , i raures of great and urgent importance ? I trust the •ht Hon. Gentleman will give an answer to that ; 94 eation.--(Lood cheers, and " Hear, hear," from the I) PPositien .) I L T he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE Q UER said, ' mc Noble Lord has addressed to tier Majesty's Govern ineu • nt an uprecedented question. — ( Loud cheers from the '-Government benches.) The Noble Lord has referred t°;th ‘ e Precedent of 1841 when he sat on the Treasury Ir „::: : 4l l t . . e ' i nis the leader of this Howie, but the Noble fieribli7 fr i4 l 7.4e , be to ; r w e e m eu ind him that there ii a eon sitsi on . this the position of those who and the Noble Lord at that period. Theeen'se. the then conderaned 41 G overnmen t had been vot e of ibis House—(Continued cheers from the Aainiste ne f bencibe pre cedepts which Sir R. Pre occasion, 41 a., /i z., the pr ecedents of '8 rf e d 7 e a ot edo al — o d that all were In, a similar eate go ry.—(Hear , bear.) They Were all with reference ' to a Ministry that had been conder aue e by_ o t o h ob e ineo v , i o L t oo e ur o ldy f , e t he - House of Connona. -- (Hear-) • Ti le N ( ..,4 Ch it eers.) etheiefore, ought to have described his eueeti It n a Most .important but as uoprecedentee..... to the Neble. b ra shall give reply ar, most i re . • ile t le.) I think it highly unconstitutional and e tittle that her Majesty ' s Government should Pledge •• themselves to advise•her Majesty to dissolve Parlia ment a t any stated and specific period.—(Continued cheers 4k°132.1he same quarter.) The Noble Lord must feel ' III C circumstances may suddenly arise which would t . c oder a fulfilment of su ch a p ledge not only m o st in but perhaps even M ost impracticable. At the sel no time I have no hesitat ion in saying that it e ! • the • intention - of her Majesty's Government her Majesty 'dissolve this Parlia ment 4°01). as those , necessary measures have 1 1 -11 passed —so soon • as those Measures e %° a• been passed rather which are necessary for the 'service.., of her Majesty, and the security and good go. rhnien of her realms.—(Cheers.) I will even say fur -I'. Plat it is our wish and our intention to meet the 11 0 7 - Parliament that will be el ected, so tha t the decision t t ha new Parliament may be , taken on the ques- I L II Of confidence in the present Administration , On the measures which they will feel it their duty under those circumstances to o . l 4 P c aes in the course Of the 'present year. — (Loud . b eers, p r in c ip a lly from the Government sid e o f t he 11".ouse.) Lore 3. RUSSELL—I wish to ask the Right Hon. Ge ntleman whether he includes, in the words " good • to:ernMent of the realm," the measures which have n referred to with regard to reform in Chancery. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER --I don't f e e l ' called upon to give any further explanations. (Laughter and Ministerial cheers.) S HOOTING A SAILOR OFF CALIFORNIA. 11 :treply to Mr. W. WILLIAMS, pi e r • A. STAFFORD entered into a lengthened ex , 01.. rtation as to this occurrence. It was true a man was t h i u4 at while in the sea, but it was exceedingly doubt- Whether the shot hit t h e man. A body was found lee l ee ' . to the ship the shot was fired from th e next morn _ Ki but as it mus t have been in the water some day s, i t . e ke fd not have been that of the man shot at. THE OUTRAGE AT FLORENCE. 4 .- e ti e rePly to a question, th at CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sta ted ' :g the evidence in this case had reached the Foreign 164Iacs. and it appeared to afford no justification whatever EVENING, MARCH. THE SUN, LONDON, . , - , frr the outrage. A claim ha d, therefore, , been made I tended, and that Hon. 'Gentlemen opposite had taken'for upon the Tuscan .Government for, comp , nsation.• sold it their mott " o- U nus q ui nobii minctoncto restituit rem." was hoped that the claim would he f re el y met. No demand ! • had been made upon Austri e, but the Faraiatt-offiee ' n od i He believed that they were about to motile race, and that reason to believe that Austria would be quire ready to. Derby, knowing his cattle to be rather devoid the Earl of of speed, but ale - le to go through a great deal of dirt, was support the claim - th et bee been made in Tusceuy. • Mr, ANS rEY gave notice that on Monday he should about to try what .was known as a "waiting" race.- o g c r e inciples were old though lin that aughitter.) by hoped, t hrever, they would not be gulled put another questioe to the Rght Hon. Gent! , mae on this very subject, namely, whetr'er it was the intention they l them w s a C Y lve Y s a w P e a r r e. y ne w w i ' n ee He trusted they were of Government to ute their good officee to . obtain the not going to vote the estimates Wit • h the Protectionists in withdrawal of all the Austrian troops from the Ital i a n p ower, who, -on the very first occasion, would either pro pose a fixed duty or make the public payi n some shape er States,-(A laugh.) construction t i t o h n e of demure the ADJOURNMENT OF THE. HOUSE. ' . other.-(Hear, hear.) He- begged the House to ..look for r G one en t ai l : m m e e n n t 0 p a p t p s i the te, M lo in o i k str o e f o, offi ll o o i n al . It was then agreed that the Howse at its rising shouldhad adjourn until Monday liext. . • men, but they bad been heard speaking in the. House and SUPPLY. out of the House-at clubs -at dinners - . and at great gather The House then resolved it , eti into a Co mmittee of ings of farmers in Drury-lane. -He remembered once going. Supply; Mr. BERNAL in the chair. • inrog.-( Laughter -w' ) win he heard the Earl of Malinee- Mejor BERESFORD said he would ask the House to bury make a most ferocious Protectionist speech, and :when show him a little torbearacce on this occasion, as she es- the Chowlers and Jowlers congratulated the meeting .sod tiniates which it was his duty to brine for ward - wore not the speakers on the greatprinciples of their .cause; which of his preparing. He brought tor werd the estimates of unless carried into effect, - the British' lion would cease to the Tatra Government, but he considered there was arnele exist.- ( Loud laughter.) ' ) .Was the question, then, .ot pro reason for asking the House to sencion those votes which section to be cushioned, or was- the thimble-rig to be had been thus prepared. He begged the House would practised? The farmers were beginning to find out ovlio bear with bias as ho was , sufferi n g j ust now from severe were their real friends; and if they ready .his tor y at all - (Laughter)-they would call to mind a certain Lord. indisposition. The House we re aware that the arm y es- Stanley and his c onduct on a celebrated o ccasion-that tirnates comprised 17 votes , all havin g reference to Lord Stanley who was so profuse of his . expression of different branches of the service. It was his mien- attachment and friendship to Richard . 111., and whose tion to go over the 17 votes, and it would then bi- conduct Hume described as so equivocal that both: seen that the most important vote was for an increased parties werpuzzledat his proceedings ; for he had ar e number of men, and the charges necessary to pay - ranged matters so nicely that he was prepared to join either that increased number. The first vote was for the land eid e•-(Renewed laughter• ) He thought th e farmers.mi g ht p forces; the number of men asked was 101 , 937 , which was refer to that eriod, and ask themselves , w hether the same 3,232 over the number f0r. 1 8 51-2 . The charge for the proceedings were not about to be practised by the Earl of l was 3,602,0671., being 80,9971. more the!, last Derby in 1852, w hi c h his disloyal and t r eacherous Leicester land force year. The 'text vote was fur staff 169,607 L, being. 9,675/. practised in .148e.-(Cries of "Oh.") .The thing was more than last year. The next vote for - public a in the blood, and might come out. He wished to know epart whether they Were prepared to pin the Earl of Derby to manta, 95 957/., being 3,2101. more than last year. Next 1,18 statement of last year. If they were not prepared to do the Royal C e Military ollege. 17.1411., being 240/. than last year. Next - vote, Royal Military more so, then, he repeated, the country might rest assured .the Asylum, Ar. -ei, thimble-rig would be brought into to play.-(Cheers.) The 17 '5361 bein i g , , , 4804 less than last l rar. Next vote, the term had been applied . by that Noble Earl himself to the 84,004 for vd unteer corps, being ''' ,0001, more Government of Earl: Grey, which, at all 'eyelets,. was open last year. • The other vet e se consistseta of rewards fur in its policy. With respect to the . present Cabinet, he military service, 15,6431. Army pay of general officers, thought they might be called an amalgamated society- of 61,0001; this latter 9,000/. more than last year. chairman of quarter sessions.-(A laugh:) There were there next votes would be, .fOr full pay for retired offi The teen gentlemen leagued together -differing. in many .things, 50,0001.; half-pay and' military allowances, 365,0 ° 0 e 0 r 1 8, ' but agreed in one-to raise the pricerif bread.to the poor map, foreign halts lieu, 36,9161.; widow? pensions, 119,387 i.;• --(Cheers, and cries of "Oh,' from the Ministerial elle.) If Hon: Gentlemen were consistent,: such . would be their compessiOnate allowance'.; 83,0001; in-pensions. 28,8151.; policy, but he had a suspiCion th at the y intended to. throw out-pensions, 1,236,8031 ;and superannuation allowance, the farmers overboarde-(Hear. bear.) Like his ancestor in 37,5001, exhibiting a decrease on the various' items ot the time of. Richard 111. the Earl of Derby had appealed to 38,2521. The effntive terviee would require 3.986,3081, the clergy--evidently ., ' .. in . the hope that he ,might be able The non! t ifective 2 Q 24 0 '4l The real ' ~. , , b . cause of the to govern without protection, and that the people would increase was owing to the Kafir war. The estimates', us he support him because he supported _the- Church of England Kafir stated, were formed by his predecessor, and, in his principles. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the opinion, they proved that his desire watt •to maintain Exchequer had been consistent. - The Rig ht Hon. Gentleman the had always stated that ..the government ought to .be con-, efficiency of the service and the' credit_of .the country. ducted on, the territorial principle, and that .the Govern - The estimates seemed to have been framed with a desire merit had been constituted on that principle. .There Were to pi-emote economy-an example which it would be 13 . *roisters -either , •representatives of great territorial his duty to fellow. He' conaidered it was - necessary to possessions, sions,or of agricultural constituencies. These 13- a look strictly into every just and . legi timate expense. He dozen-were leagued-leagued together for the. bad in the earliest clays .of his manhood had the honour purpose of putting a tax on the poor man's _bread.-(Oh.), of sere-gig her Majesty abroad, arid he had found oar Let the House consider- how the rest of the 1. vrnran e that there were two kinds of economy , a proper and a . was constructed. There were seven conntY.Meinberswehot legitimate economy , and a paltry economy, or CCOnOMS represented exclusively agricultural constituencies. There of a peney.wise and pound fo olish c h ar a cter .. Ho had were ten of those who had the -smallest constituencies in. the country. To take theM alphabetically, there was A - learned that though exravagance might be injurious to Abingdcn-represen ed by the Attorney-General, whose the country, that a false economy was more mischie• constituents numbered only 320, and to whom he had pro your, because it impaired the effi cienc y of a service so fond were they of him-that he would never pre which, whatever int e ht be said, had always upheld the se n t ins ,d himself to them again.-(Laughter.) The Right, Hon. honour and dignity of the country in s wa y which, it it and Leaned Gentleman told them that he would did not excite gratitude , oug ht to p rovoke admiration, them again. [The Attorney-General-" No'' it The go t 0 Right. Tha', paltry end dangerous eco nom y he_ hoped he shbula Hon. Gentleman m i g ht have some le g al q uibble in reserve, never practise.-(Biter.) As far as the various depart but did he mean to say that he would go to Abingdon at were concerned, he wou l d endeavour to make the merits the next election? The next place was Chichester. Was service efficient, tied at the same time to secure the corn- the Member for that town the representative of a populous constituency? ie Ilid not "Dod" tell them that the Duke of forts of the British so!di er. He begged to move the Rh m na's influence in that borough was paramount? So first vote of 101 937 m. U. , in Buckingham-the _influence of the Duke of Buckingham Mr. W. WILLIAM S ob j ected to the proposed in- was paramount. Then there was the Secretary for crease of the army, and protested that there was the • Colonies, with a c • onstituency of 500. The no necesoty for it. The fears which, had re next was the Right Honourable the President of ceutly prevailed in the country about ' foreign the Board of Control, the nominee of Lord Exeter. luviotion were greondless, and be hoped the Com. -(01).) Did any Hon. Member presume to contradict mittee would. hesitate before they sanctioned this i n - "Deo ?"- (A laugh.) It was notorious that Lord Exeter owned the greater part of the 10/. houses in Stamford.. With creased expense to the Scitte.-(Hear.) Cho country bad the benefit of an efficient nav y and marine service t r h eg s aiticl on t s o the h tl e Home Secretary, he thought he should be in including a fine body of co n s t a bular y and yee- him returnede, whatever fur t a ver plaoe he represented, but hoped to see more important place than Mo • lhurst, with manry cavalry force ; ' arid these. ' added to the only 300 electors, and under the infl e replier army, made an aggre g a t e force of mont and Digby. These ten Membersre a• re of Lords Lords representa upwardsEgre- of 191,000 men. Surely, then, that tome tivts:of only 3,020 voters. Honourable Gentlemenopposite was amply sufficient to pr otect the. c ountry against the had no right to ask for confidence as popular representatives. attacks of any invader; but he was sick and tired of For his own part he regretted that a direct vote of want of was a complete bugbear. c on fi den c e had not been moved. He had no confidence in the talking about inversion; it . At all events, .fihould it ever tu rn out to have even the Ministers. He believed they had none in themselves. If they had, why cid they not declare the principles which they shadow of a luuedation, the force he had juer, de professed in opposition now that they had been placed in scribed would be found quite enough to go into the field power by the onpardonable weakness-of the Noble Lord.- with.-(Heur,hear.) - , (Hear, hear) , Forbearance had been asked behalf ' Mr. B. OSBORNE said that under any other circum- their law reforms. Lord St. Leonard's was not on a ll violent °I law stances than those which existed he should have apologised reformer when a Member of that Hoe but s a bigotted for the course he was about to take, The House and the Tory, and opposed every measure fuseful reform. As re spected the legal members of the Government, the House country were, however, placed in so unprecedented a con ought not to forget that the lawyers were the first who de dition that he did not feel warranted in allowing the vote serted Sir Robert Peel ; for deserted that statesman was, to pass as a mere matter of course. Fro m the answer given "In his utmost need, to-night by the Chancellor of the Exchequer to the Noble .By those his former bounty feed." Lord the Member for the city of London it did not appear -(Cheers and oh.) Law reform might he purchased too that matters in that House were in a more clear or more 9early, and he was not prepared to sacrifices - free trade to satisfactory state than they were in . on. F r iday night last. It (Hear, hear.) His opinion was. that neither men nor He was one of those Members who dissent ed from the courseBSe money should be granted till the Ministry declared their taken by the Noble Lord the Member for London in throw- principles.-(Hear, hear.) So much for the English ap ing up the government in the way he had done. It was pointments. He should not make any allusion to the Secre uofair, merely because a local militia,. led by a foreign tary at War, for he was not in a position to make any general, had accidentally defeated the Noble Lord, that answer.-(" Hear, hear,". from Major Beresford, and " I'll' great principles should be endangered by minor diffe- answer any question.") If there was one appointment more' rences of opinion. He thought the N oble Lord had than another which would disentitle the Government to' acted also 'unadvisedly in naming the Earl of Derby as common respect it was that of the Secretary at War.- (Oh.), the only man fit to govern the co untr y , when there were After the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman at the bust -' many other Noble Lords and Ge ntlemen q uite as able to ings, when he told the people plainly he, did not care for form an Administration , wh i c h would be more entitled to the support of the Liberal party, and more popular them, he thought he was not entitled to represent a populous, constituency. With regard to the Irish appointments, he, with the country generally. He therefore dissented from calling Lord Derby to the councils of ,her Majesty, and certainly rejoiced that there was no Irishmen in the Cabinet, putting the powerful but dangerous party on the benches becausecht that would have been productive of unlimited mis-• to Ireland. If there was to be a Lord Lieutenant opposite. He thought that an. amalgamated party might at all, probably the late appointment was. as good' a ape AB easily have been formed, which would have preserved free could have h been made ;abut but when he looked to the appoint trade and effected useful reforms. But now that Lord Derby ments w h ich had .been made he had not much confidence and gentlemen opposite were really in office, he thought on that eed . . The appointment of Mr. Lefroy to the bench they were bound to tell the House and the country on what was most t ensc i i . sievous, and a man most opposed to the•sys principles they intended to conduct their Government. He did not, therefore, think the present an unfitting occasion tam of r n w a h i n on h a ed education had been selected as chaplain. Dr: the the Right Hon. Gentleman at the again to endeavour, to worm from the Hon. Gentlemen on lastelection ge f the .other,side what the principles were on which they.in- 0r he University of Dublin , was one the most implacablei_• bigotslreland.-(Hear, against the Roman Catholic religion in tended to conduct the government of the country. What ever odium , rested on the late Government, he must say- re a t n s d be ( c hile f ar e , hear.) With regard- to the legal appoint_ be was not one of their flatterers-athey had at least meats, for the Right that he entertained a feeling of great re andthe virtue of being above-board in the expression of their efllreland, but his than. dislike Gentleman the Attorney-General .of._ the Roman Catholic religion policy, and bad declared to the House and the people, the Was notorious, and he could not . no t b e expected to possess pr i ncip les by which they were guided. Their su ccessors the confidence of Peop-e. . The sooner the Right were a party of gentlemen who had monopolised to them- Hon. Gentleman was.elevated to seat on the bench th e bet selver the name of th e Country party. They pretended t o ter• With regard to the Solicit9r-General he confes s e d that for ' be more English than the En g lish themselves. They were him. also be had great respect. But• in that Howe the Hon. now in power, and by. a. species of mystification were endea- and Learned Gentleman vouring to conceal, the cloven foot of protection under the and his .speeches out of. the House deprived him of smock frock of official reserve.-(A laugh.) Was that the confidence of the Irish people: Then, . there was their honest and open? , Was it not rather what might-even Secretary r Parliamentarily-be celled a most shuffling and dishonest sun) ooanott ( Se ' the Treasury (Mr. G.. A. Hamil. r representative .of .the ...University of course for statesmen to pursue? He aid not observe the ' Dublin.- Now he (Mr. Osborne) should ,say that any Go- Chancellor of the Exchequer in his place-a-(Mr. Disraeli vernment that repre entered the House shortly afterwards)-but he thought the sentatives of theNUB SO . as unfortunate. to have two proper time bad arrived when the Right llon. Gentleman niversity of Dublin amengst its prominent members could Rot be entitled, considering the opinions which ought to tell them whether he meant to prop oee the question ' of protection in any shape-either as a fixed duty, or by ‘ prevailed ; in that university, people. He saw glary in the shape cfecompensation to the landed _ the Noble Lord the First Commissioner of some tug woods and Forests t Lord J. NT interest. As a Member of a liberal constituency he found _ , Manners smiling ; that Noble Lord had ever }• fault with the elevation to power of the Right Hon. 3 reason to smile, because his own oetical no prophecyh Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer, nor did he th ad come to.pass, and commerce was at a discount, mean to throw iu the teeth of Hon. Gentlemen opposite while e had heard old nobility, had got it, all their own way. They that they were new and untried men. He was ptetty well of the Administration of "-all the talents," and he . •no great conjuror after dared say that posterity would remember the " Administra convinced, however, that it required tion of all the squires" in the year 1852.-(Hear, hear.) But, all to be a Minister of State, and that if a man had moderate for his part, he cid l not wish to see in office men whose con abilities, a respectable character, and great attention, he victions would run counter to their actions; and he could not might, even though a chairman of quarter sessions, be, if help stating that, ifwere to give any support to the pre 7 he had fixed principles, as well qualihel for office as' any sent Government, it be other man. But be that as it might, no one ceuid doubt werefalse to their own professions. Of one of their number that Ron. Gentlemen ought to declare the principles on -the Rig ht H.on Gentleman the Secretary for the Colonies. which their Government was fo As a Member of -he should say unded. • that he believed him to be' honest in his a Liberal Constituency, be repeated, that he rejoiced at professions, sincere In his convictions , and incapable in his the elevation of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chan- actions. It was on these grounds that he moved the rejec cellor of the Exchequer. That -Right lion. Gentleman . turn. of that vote. -( Cheers.) had had a hard game to play. He bad achieved his present Mr. WHITESIDE said that, in consequence of the re-. position by no aristocratic connexion, and not without marks which had been Amide by the Hon. Member for Mid-. some dislike and even distrust of those who had supported dlesex as to the legal. appointments of the Earl of Derby, he him. It was that Right Hun. Gent leman who had breathed' felt it to be his duty to rise. He was not certain whether, into the party opposite some spirit , s ome life-a galvanic his Hon, Friend fancied that he was a proficient 'in the Hoe sort of life, to be sure-but without his genius they never called•ironical; but he had his doubts whether the speech, wo uld have been what they were or where• they were.- which they had, just - heard was conceived eiactiy in that (Rear, hear.) He rejoiced in the elevation of the &gist Hon. s evere taste, ;and with that polished sarcasm, which he (Mr. Gentleman, because it was a tribute to intellectual superiority Whiteside ) would have thought most suitable to that House. unconne cted with any aristocratic party of England.-(Op- -(Cheers, )He reverenced genius where he Met it-he ad position cheers.) He regretted , however, that the Right mired eloquence where he heard it-but he thought he couid Hon. Gentlem an had not, in addition to great ability, shown distinguish - between the, divine original, and the miserable more openness and frankness. He.could not forget the elo imposition,-(Great cheering.) The Hon. Gentleman had. anent audacity and the fluent acerbity-to borrow ex pres criticised severely the present Ministry , on account of the a l o ne of the Hon. Member for Bridport-with which the legal appointments which it had made in Iteland, and which. Right Hon. Gentleman had pur sued the late lamented Sir he said did not deserve and had not obtained the confidence Robert Peel.-(Hear, hear.) He could not forget the ora- of he Roman Catholic eels' , rather, as he Understood, lions which the Right Hon Gentleman made on different. the ot Roman Catholic; • P priesthood. the occasions, and regretted that he had not acted up to his own Now its . whole -.course .of his life he never uttered:a, opinions and been more explicit on this. What was the lan- sentiment, to , his knowledge, offensive to the Roman C' Page used by the Right Hon. Gentleman five years ago? , - , - hadnot . , Cap. • tiaolic people. He to 1845 the Right Hon. Gentleman rising with his subject, being a sincere Protestant, holding firmly the dottrines of as-h e a always did, declared that if we were to have a popular the Reformation, disqualified him from _office, he - - and his Government, • is e pane it should declare the principles on -which Hon. Learned Friend the present Attorney-Geteral for and Right a was founded.-(Cries of," near, hear.") , The Ireland, ' in common with many, more lon.. Gentlemen in, had at Ou. • Gentleman then went on to state, that they that House, must for ever be debarred frein the pursuit of that time bamboozled on a great political middle-man-a man who an honourable • b . t" • am i ion.,-(Loud cheers.) . •If the Hon (den, : a position and plundered another, and who ob- -that •ought to be placed • --- ' tleman meant no man that . • they site to which he was not entitled, and cried out `could refuse justice to the. Roman Catholics of Ireland tenure.-(Rear.) Now no party questions, but fixity of administer impartially who would refuse to joined in the. chorus of_ however the Right II , on. Gentleman • laws that might be in existence in that country, or re., cried, out that there Shot!. what. he deprecated in 1845. and Just . .any useful measure that might be pre. fuse to co-operate in .a of tenure.-(Hear.) etl i d e beu° Party questions but fixity good of that ' pared by patriotic men for b. the dally bound to come forward and Hon. Gentleman watt ape- him that no such man ought to be Whiteside) agreed . .wit t h Government. It did not redound d ue dAsclare the principles of hepublic affairs in Ireland.- (Hestr; • men that two or three gentlemen, wh t o o the credit of public appointed to ar d in e i r s fec er ti p y understand an Hon.' Gentleman, given notices of motions reversive efaafew weeks ago had hear") lie could convictions himself an regarded religi policy, and on the subject of the national Particular part a who bad no d ) satirising those Who .had, but he out opinions-(Cheers ---s . of this tion, should now ge:, up on the opp os i ee e Zr e a of educe- there was in the constitution that though their convictions were unaltered, land declare wanted to know what Protestant of unspotted character intend to bring forward the motions of which e , y did not country to disqualify any . office ? ; Did holding ; tae proe., Such given notice when in Opposition. course , they h a d and competent ability from; Might be' a fession of the. Protestant 'religion disentitle him to the cunning one for men who looked for a fixity of tenure, but' Just consideration his S • overeign 1-rear.) So fat from for Ministers it was shuffling in the last degree, and. Whhavie of . f 1 ount men he offended his Roman Catholic h t ow -c h ry the people of the country would regard as the good old= had tt r i g ist h libert ' and, fashioned amusement of thimble-rigging-(A laugh)._ . life were to say his justification, at ve w e lt() was y then i that game was about to be played by the country gene - addressing thes ly e , the • humble individual . selectedß by 0- e was more than once men, with Lord Derby as their confederate. and the- man Catholic Gentlemen - Loud cheers.) public as usual were to be gulled and plundered, while the He Was not wen. emen to defend, both. ( at he hid abused the trust thus Noble Lord and his confederates in smock frocks were play- reposed in ' bi,....,4.reath ear.) . And he could &Mire t . e ing the game.-(Laughter). The state of things was such Hon ' Gentlem an that he b• he had the h e would rather strip the gown which that the Gentlemen opposite were bound to speak out. Lie -sonour -to wee f ' naback, than drag it knew that the reply would be that the opposition was fac- through the mire of faction , r° -(Cheers) The Hon. Gentle tious.-( Ministerial cheers.) Echo answered there.-(A Fr?on had . eulogised the' Irish. ~ overnment., appointments of the last laugh.) He was not, however, to be discouraged by that - t* Now he (Mr. White beenar as Ireland was concerned, the late' sid). must sap that, as cry, for he had been lenough in the House to know that I long the cry of. a factious opposition was raised whenever Gentle- men opposite were contradicted. He cared l ittle for what a' Small by degree s , an d beautifully less." but in that House thought of his duct • con , Sir Robert. Peel was excluded b --(A laugh.) Every man th a t h e ld the opinion of the late Hon. Members y them from Al he cared a great deal for what the public out of doors thought c onservative was also excluded. -(Hear, office. Every of it.-(Laughter from the Ministerial side.) He was sure (neer, to which the Hon. and Learned Member f hear.) ' The party he should not stand worse with his constituents - (R enewed or Athlone (Mr. \ nameslieogh) belonged was likewise excluded. Gentlemen laughter from the Ministerial side). -he knew they would emen whose were never before heard in the Irish ' thank him for having its offered-what Hon. Gentlemen opposi raised seats by the late Government. called a factious opposition to their .un . rinci led conduct. ! with respect to the chief legal appointments of Lord Now, Derby He doubted whether there ever was an occasion of a Govern- in Ireland-that of the Lord Chancellor-he spoke the • mont coming into power without giving some intimation of v i t a :ece of his profession when he said it was an appointment what they intended to do as regarded the principlesthey . „ met with their entire approbation .-( Hear, sear.) The held when in opposition.-(Hear.) Whatever he n?ignb same could be said with respect tothe • ,appointment feel at such a state of things, his alarm was not diminished Baron Lefroy to the Chief-Justiceship of the Queen's Bench. of when he found Lord Derby-the R Rupert of, debate--assume . It had been said that the conduct of Lord Derby, • in accept the character of a Fabius Cunctator. - (A laugh.) eared from the nature of the man that some t , ing office and refusing to appeal to the country on th mischief 'WM in- restiou of protection until such measures as he conceived. _~., SATURDAY tens, and of Hon. Gentlemen on the Ministerial side of the House.-(" No, no," from Mr. B. Osborne.) Well, excepting the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whose brilliant talents neither'he nor any other Hon. Gentle man could Sully--4 Hear, hear)-'-it struck him that Hon. Gentlemen. opposite were not a little annoyed at the unani mity that prevailed on the Ministerial side of the. House.- (Laughter from the Opposition.) It 'would appear so, sa they availed themselves of every opportunity fo fling brands into their ranks; but it would require a great - deist More talent • and 'exertion ' than they possessed .to . affect their L stability end' strength.' (Ministerial cries of " hear.") r The Hon: "Baronet who 'had just sat down woulde he hoped. excuse hire for 'advising him not to speak of persons. and properties' Witlfont having Pretiiobsly made himself ; ac- • quainted with the facte.-( heals) . The Hon. Baronet had asserted that the- property of a noble relative of his t(the 'Earl 'or Mardi) bad suffered no diminution by reason of the ethe late Sir -Robert Peel, . Now, .he was not thenabout' to' winder into- a corn-law debate, as the present *as hot a . 'proper time- but Ite ,• begged td tell the Hen. Baronet that hot _only was the property' of .his Noble: Rela tive 'in the south of England dirtnnuthedin the rent toll, but , also that in the north of Scotiands.4laear, .hears froni' the Ministerial betiches.) Toe Hon. Baronet wielied to know " what *Ai Protectionist." 'Mst; being nei her a member Of the 'Ministry, nee at'disappointed candidate fur office, he wonld'give hint' a solution of the interrogatory. . His (the Earl' of March's) definition of a "Protectionist", was thi and It *mild be warmly respoeded to by the farming in terests-a Protectionist - Was a warm and cordial isupporter •the Governmeat of which Lord Derby was the head, because that 'S'oble Lord would uphold the dignity of the Crown, 'and promote the happiness of all classes of her Majesty's. subjects.-(Cheers.) • Mr. COBDEN said the'definition of a Protectionist. given by the Noble Lord who had just sat down had somethiugin 'it. Whatever may be the opinion of that House there would be two opinions in the country as to whother'that was the interpetratiOn heretofore put on the word " Protectionist"- (Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord, he hoped, would allow them , 'tor carry out the conclusion inevitable from his definition, arld by thus converting the' name of Lord Derby into pro testion, it was clear they were to consider themselves then: wider 'a Protectioniat" Government-(s : leer,' hear.) That 'saved hid ( Dlr. Cobden) a great-deal of argument. , They heard it avowed hythe Noble Lord that they were dealing wrath a Protectionist Government; and that was his case.- (Pear, hear.) Now; the question before the House.was, • whether or not they would -vote that Protectionist Govern- Ment supplies. It was an old and constitutional practice in !other countries as well as in England, that the majority of 'the representative body governed the country. He therefore bbgged to ask the Noble Lord who had just stood forward oh Protectionist principles to ask a free-trade Parliament to vote supplies---he asked that Noble Lord - could he deny that I . that Free-trade Pailiament was digressing from' its duty in, at all eventes pausing before they gave their confidence .to a I Government based in direct antagonism to tbe great majority . in that -House?-(Hear, hear, from .the Opposition.) But , , fide-trade prineiplesavere, numerically, in an overwhelming Majority if both sides of the House were examined.-(Hear.) The present debate was opened by an Hon. Member for one Of the metropolitan counties (Mr. B. Osborne), perhaps the most populous and wealthy county in the United Kingdom. tie was shpported by the Hun. Member for Marylebone, Another large and populous 'district. He (Mr. Cobden), the representatiVe of the West Riding of the great county of. 'Yorkshire, supported that Hon. and' Gallant Member also, and was fully sustained in so doing by the great population hf• that extensive , and - wealthy district: Then there was South Laneashire next in importance, together with Man chester and Glasgow; and, therefore, Hon. Gentlemen on the Ministerial side of the House were not alone in a nume rical minority, but in a very insignificant minority, seeking the confidence of the majority.-(Hear, hear.) The contro versy had been raging fourteen years. It was some fourteen 7' ears since the first meeting of the Anti:Corn-law League was held in Manchester. The agitation lasted some seven years, and some six years had • elapsed since the question !was settled by that House. What was. the conduct of !the party opposite? He asserted the origin of the party topp6;ite was protection. There were Hon. Gentlemen on ;the Opposition side of the House, on the question of free ;trade against protection, who were friends of the Monarchy, ?friends of the Church, and friends of the aristocracy-gen tlemen who were as high Conservatives as Hon. Gentlemen on the Ministerial benches.-(Hear, 'hear.) Could such be • denied in the case of the Hon. Members for the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge? Therefore, he asserted, Hon. Gentlemen opposite stood there as a Protectionist party.- . Wear, hear.) It was the only question on which they were constituted a party-( Hear, - hear) - and therefore he would ' not allow them to fall back on the Chancery reform and pa tent law amendment, in which all were as interested as the Hon.' Gentlemen themselves.-(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Cob den) did not call on Hon. Gentlemen opposite to decide what the course to be adopted by-the House should be. Neither did he ask the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer to 'declare what course he would take. He would appeal to the majority of that House to decide what the course should be.-(Cheers from the Opposition.) If a minority in that House were to govern the Houses on the same principle they might be governed by a dictator.-(Hear, hear.) He there , tore appealed to the House to vindicate itself, and make itself f elt in the policy now to be pursued.-(Oppositien cheers.) He thought the present occasioa a fitting one ; and he there fore called on the majority of the House to vindicate its con stitutional privilege.-( Opposition cries of " Hear, hear.") When they came to vote the money he hoped the majority would have sufficient vigour and firmness to take the reins into their own hands, and by keeping in their hands, except for a limited period,. the control over the public purse- - (Cheers.) It might be asked why call upon the Parliament to dissolve now? Where-were the indications that a disso lution was required? He 'appealed to what was going on in the country. It showed that there was no difference out of doors as to the course which the majority ought to pursue. From one end of the country to the other they were in all the heat and excitement of a contested election at the pre sent moment.-(0h, and laughter.) They could not take up a daily newspaper that they did not find two columns of it filled with accounts of election proceedings. Those pro ceedings were not confined to his side of the House. The Hon. Gentleman the Member for Hereford, who had been recently sent into that House to settle the question, had talked upon every subject but it. The Honourable and Gal lant Member for Windsor had also told them that the country was all in the heat of an election contest; and why? Be cause the interest of the country had brought it to this con clusion, that the majority in that House would deal with the question and would not permit the public money to be voted. He maintained that they could not attempt to carry on the legislation of the country, and that brought him to another consideration. They could not carry it on, it was imposeis ble, while the Government was only supported by a mino rity. They had already heard one Hon. Gentleman say that they evaded the question; that they were in a minority, and meant to postpone it for the present ; ; that they did not mean to deal with it. Why, that principle pervaded 'the whole of the proceedings of the House. There were Committees on education and other important questions; but did any Hon. Gentleman ' named enter upon those Commit tees' with the idea that he could • deal with them during the present Parliament? Did anybody doubt that, within two or three months, those proceedings- must be brought to a close ? Seeing that out of doors everybody was prepared seeing that no satisfactory business could be carried on, they. were bound' to ' bring the question to a satisfactory close by the constitutional powers vested in them. Even in that evasive course which Hon. Gentlemen opposite were now pursUing they were still placing themselves on such ground .as mould render them as much in antagonism with them atl ever.' The Right Hon. Gentlenian the Member for Bucki was preparing, with the' assent of a large number of his friends, to' evade the question of protection but he told them that he only changed his ground. -He proposed to give the agricultural interest an indemnity for the lossei they had sustained' by the withdrawal of protection under another forth, and then he shadowed out a plan by which he' proposed to transfer some of the taxes borne by the agriculturists to the shoulders of those who did not happett to be the possessors of land. He asked whether that wait notbeing in the same position of antagonism as before? He asked what was to be done with the Anti-Corn-law League ?-(Laughter and cries of " Oh, oh.") If the Right Honourable Gentleman was only shifting his ground-If that League had compelled him to take his hand out of one of the pockets of the public, he was now attempting to pu: it in another. He trusted the Right Hon. Gentleman would see the necessity of allaying this strife and agitation. When he talked of indemnifying the agricultural classes for the lossels they had sustained, he could assure the Right Hoaourable Gentleman that when they entered on that controversy hb would be as willing as any Hon. Member to corsider the fair claims of the landlord and the farmer in any general rat. duction of taxation consequent upon a surplus of revenue. He would be as happy to see justice done to then as to the manufacturer and tradesman-(Oh, oh)-bnt when he pre posed to transfer the burdens of agriculture to other c asses of the community, he met the Free-trader on precisely the same ground, and had not taken any one step •to get rid of that controversy. When the Right Hon. Gentleman at-. tempted to'do that, he (Mr. Cobden) would meet him on the threshold, and ask him whose taxation he was going to re mit? If It was that' of the landowner, how dd he propose to reach the 'farmer by remitting the tax.upon land? He must show him further that the landowner suffered from free-trade policy. The Noble Lord had mete the statement that had' been made- The Earl of MARCH said his explanation was in anaw4r' to•a statement made by the Hon. Baronet, and which state 'meat was not correct.-(Hear, hear.) - Mr. COBDEN-4t was the assertion of the incorrectness of the Hon. Baronet with which' he was going to deal. The Noble Lord had said that his Noble relative had suffered a Los's of income consequent upon the free-trade policy. He was not aware that the' Duke of Richmond's case had been referred to, but if the question was raised; do not let it be sups, posed for a moment that inaividual cases were to be avoided. He, had not heard of any: i i uction of rents, but tite contrary. • The Earl of MARCH hoped he Hon. Gentleman would. forgive him. He was serry to trespass again upon the Houle, 'but this was a matter Of a somewhat personal nature. . The , property of a noble relative of hi s had been-called in ques tion. He had distinctly stated the fact, and he now repeated and could state* of his'owirknowledge, that- his 'property in Sussex had been revalued and a reduction had occurred upcth the whole rental.-(Loud cheers.) • Mr. COBDEN would state'exactly what he had heard in the course - of some inquiries which he had made.-(Lond cries of ". Oh.") He 'had found upon inquiry in the imme diate neighbourhood of Goodwood that Knott only had thee been no reduction.-(Shouts of" Oh," and " Questiono When the Noble Lord spoke of a reduction of rents he found that it had not been as a rule applied to the property, and that it a tenant was going out there were half a dozen others ready to take the land. If the Duke of Richmond had his land let upon those terms, and that there were half a dozen tenants ready to take it, then he should say that the Duke of Richmond was very incapable of managing his affairs if he dreamt of reducing his rents upon these tarns.-(Cries of " Oh, and " Question.") Why, they were not quite tto mealy-mouthed when the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Ripon was speaking a night or two since. He was net ashamed to say that he had not reduced his rents, and if they dealt with individual cases in that way he had a right to deal wth the present as a fact brought before the House. He would go farther, and say that the Noble' Duke derived a compensation from any reduction that might have taken place in the . price of his land in the reduction . that had taken place in pain price of commodities. He was a landed proprietor, and mtained, doubtless, a large estab lishment and household and stables, and he contended that he ga nsedonore than almost any other individual in the re duction that had-taken .place in the price of corn and of su- • ga r-(Oh, and a laugh)-and by the reduction of those rates of which tbey•had had- an illustration that day. They should go into all that before he would acknowledge the right of the , Right Hon. Gentleman to take a tax off the agriculturists and place it on the shoulders of the industrious portion of the. community. If the . Right Hon. Gentleman evaded protec tion, and laid on a tax by way of an indemnity, they met the Free-traders precisely in the same controversy, and had not yet arrived at the conclusion of the struggle. Upon all these grounds it was necessary that they should understand the -footing upon which they were-it was necessary that the question should be brought to a conclusion, for the sake, not only of the manufacturers and the merchants, but also for the sake of the landowners and the tenants. Could it be doubted, after the way in which they had kept up the con test for the last five years, leading on the tenantry with false hopes, and in expectation of getting redress from the . . , were for the public good were adopted, was unconstitutional But it should be borne in mind that Lord Derby did' not expel, the late Ministrv.,•,The late Government, fell ... .unex pectedly, and from a loi * ow 'eddied' at it by one whom he might call a triend to, it.-(bear, hear.) • The Noble ' Lord (X. Russell) fell 4 in proposing a measure which he, no ,donbt,' believed to be essential, to the best interests of the country. lie respected the argument'of the lion. Gentleman opposite 1 as to, the duty of Lord Derby appealing te,tlia, country' for 1 their approval of his financial measures; that appeal mo-t be soon made, and of this he felt confided, that whether the term of office of the, preient Government wite long - or' Shorts the Noble. Lord at its head would, to the best' of 'his - abilitY,. . . maintain the,religtonof the country, preserve, ondiminislie tt, the rights of thecominiinitY, and the liberties of the people.: Mr. HATCHELL said, that' having .fills v il*-dffica of Attorney-General iii ireliii4; he 'felt it; celb." lila' dtotf to', re ply.to,theehservaticnis, Of hiS lion, .an Friend , on the,lega; appointinents in Ireland by thelN'GreVertiment . : The Hon. and Learned Gentleman Said that - the late 14o' ve rnment . had raised tothe bench used 'WhainaineCtit'ere never heard in the courts in Ireland • noveivere thelatti . Mr': O'Loghlan, the late *Chief Baron Woulfe,thi present Chief Baron. and the,preeent Chief Aistide of flii CoUrt'lif Com- s mon Pleas, undi,thigtalsed in their proleasibn ?Asear.) It was said that Messrs. Henn and, Bennett were overlookbd by the Government. by were * tliSiy nit appointed to metal positions by the presenCGoiernment? . No -they were over looked, although they were ardent supporters of a Conierva tive line ofpolicy.-- r (Hear.) Mr. BOOKER said he hid entire confideffce in the' Go-' vernment .and in the Right Hon. Geotlernan' who was the' leader in, that lionse, and no taunts from Honourable Gen tlemen opposite would wean the country party'froni the con fidence which they reposed in' . the present Government,---' (Hear, hear.) It was not necessary that he should refd to the tinnily character of.the Neble Lord 'at the head of the Government, And he . had' only to expreali'' a hope that his counsel, requirements_ of the country; would' pr , u gid r red the ,hear. r ) 4 0 world not theft refer to the qu e s tions .of free trade or ;protection:-(Criesof '" Oh !"). evail. -as re 4 When public opinion had been expressed on these questions' it would then. be the time ter opening up thii important .question. , Honourable Ge . ntlemen opposite had spoken of the division on the part of the Ministerial benehes; but this be could truly say, that:, they were not 'afraid of Meeting the Members on the opposite side of the''Honse a't the aprciper period, when this question of the comm e r c i a l polity of the co untry canoe under discossiOn. He was satisfied that the people had entire confidence in the present Ministry, and for this reason, that they were, dissatisfied With the absurdity' and imbecility of the late Goiernmene.-:(Hear, and Oh.) And it was a relief to them to see menin office who would not be shifted about from one point to another. 'and who when they went to the coimtry, would do so upen brriad prin ciples-4 Cheers, and oh)s-and would, he had' nosclotibt, re• ceive the approval of the people _of this ceunt r y, . s' Sir B. HALL said that the on. and Lea r n e d - Gentleman , the Solicitor-General for Ireland had asked on e remarkable and pointed question. - lie had asked whether it was neces sary for a man to be a hypocrite in .erder , to be a Minister; and he (Sir B. Hall) would ask whether it was not necessary , for a Minister to be an honest man ? But if the present Mi nisters wished to act honestly, he thought they ought at once to come forward. and .declare whether, after having' attained to power, they meant to abide by their former professions, or whetber,they had used those professions for' the purpose ofArriving At. office ?-4t 4 t -ear, hear.) He had been somewhat surprised at the speech of the Honourable Gentleman who hail just sat down. -He remembered that at the time when the Honourable Member had come - for- - ward as a candidate to represent the county. of Hereford a newspaper which advocated the Tory principles in that county-had promised that the Hon. Gentleman, after he should have been returned to Parliament, would " beard the lion , in his den"-the lion meaning, no doubt, the Noble Lord the head of the late Government. But, from the moment the lion. Member had been elected down to the present time he had never brought ferward any measure and bad never suggested one single proposal in accordance with the principles he had advocated when' he had sought the suffrages of the electors of Herefordshire. A circular had lately.been sent round by the Protectionist party in that county, calling a mee ti n g in the parish church of Peter church, for the purpose of considering the best mode of securing the return of Protectionist • Members at the next election. Now, that WAS all very well; but it should be known what was meant by protection.-(Hear, hear.) Lord Derby had lately asked for the forbearance of his opponents. But for what purpose had he made that request? He had made it in order that he might work all the appliances of the Government to strengthen himself in his position, so that h e might hereafter be enabled to tax the food of the people. But the Noble Lord had made no definite avowal of his views on the subject of the corn- law s ; and the addresses recently made by a number of the members of his Government to their constituents were equally vague and unsatisfactory upon that subject. The R ight Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer had certainly thrown no new light upon the matter. And yet that Right Hon. Gentleman bad on a former occasion ex. pressed his admiration of a Minister who gave effect to his convictions. He had even added these words-" nifortu nate will be the Position of this country when a Minister pursues a line of policy a d ver se to the convictions which he himself entertains."-(llear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman would do well to remember those expressions upon the present occasion. In 1841 the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer was strongly opposed to an 88. duty. In 1846 a ss. duty was sug gested, b u t th e Ri g h t - lion, Gentleman, in connexion with the late lam en t e d L o rd George Bent inck, said the y would I have nothing to do with it. In 1842, the Right Hon. , st Gentleman ated in his election speech, we had a revision of the sliding scale and came to a compromise, when it I was considered the arrangement would be permanent. That arrangement the Right lion. Gentleman described as being a just and moderate protection. Now, what was that protection? It was no less than 20s. a quarter on wheat when that article shoUld be under 503.-(Opposition cries of " Hear, hear.") Was that the protection the Right Jinn. Gentleman hoped to see restored, and which, if sincere, he should endeavour to re-impose ?- (Hear , hear.) The late Lord George Bentinck was a nobleman the sverisoul of honour-4 Hear, hear)-respected and beloved by all who knew him. He gave up all his pursuits and favourite ambi- t thou for the purpose of working to the best of his ability the; great question, of protection.-(Hear, hear, and cheers.); There had been twelve nights of debate - heavy debate-oni that, question, and the last speech spoken in the debate was, delivered by Lord George. Bentinck, from which he (Sir 134 Hall) took the following extract :-" Deeply should I regreti should any large proportion of those Members who have been sent to Parliament to represent the landed tenantry .of England in this. House prove to be the men to bring lastingi dishononr alike upon, themselves, their constituencies; and this House, by an act of tergiversation so gross as to be altogether unprecedented in the annals of. any; reformed or unreformed House of Commons." He (Sir Bi Hall) ,quoted that because he wished to know whether her Majesty's _Ministers were about to re-impose a duty on corn. or whether they merely intended to shuffle through it. - He found another extract in ,the same speech, which, as being short, and coming from the source it did, he would take thl liberty of reading to the House. - Lord ,G. ".Sir, .lastly .I collie to the . proud * • tocracy. We 'are a 'proud aristocracy,' but if we are area r p pdd, it is that We and , proud in thechastity of our honour.- If we assisted in 184 i ' in turning the Whigs out of office for that we did not con.; Bider a fixed dnty,o f Bs. a. , quarter for' n n corn a saincia n protection, it was with honest* of on oreig nd single=ininded ness that we , did so ; ini, m parpose a not before th fact, we will not .be •we were _ , accomplices after the fact, in th .friud ;by which the . Whig of office. If we are a 'proud g were, _ 1 aristocracy,' we are proud o our honour, inasmuch as ,we nifty and never can be guilty ~_ never. hay ~ of double-dealing witt th farmera,,of England. of ,swindling opponents, deceivin our friends, , :or betraying: : our '. e,o our . t. ; e. .That wa the speech of a ; Noble Lord who as hefora . said, wa the very soul of honour.- (Hear la ) *lt was delivers on the 2.7 th of February, 1a46,. a' d on r - that very day Si : yew, the 27th, of February, 1 852, 11 the Noble Lord, then 1 1 colleague of the late Lord George Bentinck, attained to th position of Prime. Minister of R --- d though he rest in his place on that night i n ,t h e l an- t and though f Lords, yet neither that Noble Lord (Lord Derby)nornnse ' g ° Hon. ' Gentlemeo opposite had themoral courage-.- dare their views.-(lear.) a the political honesty, to de's asked, were her Mat jetty's jesty's Ministers going to r t do? theyWte'riee tey going to he guilty of " double-dealing with the f r '" - (Hear, hear. Would they tell them they shOuldahmavers. t Coq. have a 253. pro ec i when corn was under 50a. ? or w er e they going to come forward and declare protshould have served their e t c t i r o n dead and a humbug a fter it u an 'electii cry?-(Hear , and laughter.) They were anprotectionistas ' G ove rnment. On looking over the list he found every member a Protectionist' with two . exceptions, members bers l the. Attorney and Solieitor-Gen professioni, of the "liberal oft_ late Sir R. Peel. - o pp - ositio mks, the law officers_ Ile and • • Learned Gentlemen i _ 11 cheers.) One of these Hog. had already been referred te as having agreed to an ,arrangement, was understood he would not of which it by the terms appear again. The othergen tleman was endeavouring to obtain rupt and maculate borough of li a seat in that most co, modification! ofpOlicy wee ,talked arwichetr, A a resolution.adopted At a meeting. He (Sir B. h e ar.) Ha) loure on. the _l2th jecember , ,of last held At ( S i Unclog Tavein Richmond presided.. The ,Year, at which the Duke t s resoiution was-'` Resolved, tust all, the . friends of proteetion are cat tot 'e National Association for. the Protectionled upon support u t il „ and to co-operate to. the utm , of Native Ind s r , ° B ' oftheir power in obtaintqg a reversal of the present System of ' ' • the. 28th, 3 YebruarY, 1851, L free lmpcirtatiop." On to ~have said. "I. cannot, crd an was reported abadon the existing ( "h ams ' as . . was , ma, that has .been taken . by till, ky r s Berate . duty ~on corn ; and pro • impesition ~of a mt . ) . few. yearn. we . may get rid of thevlsicll4 by which in a Amount .of ,the, incense t ax wa i t 1 1 ) :Come tax." , Now the 6,000,0004. m the Tear. There *wer".liseen 5,000,00 . 0,. ,aqd brenght,annually into. the country, 1 1 1°Q° ' 0°c l r f'' of " n 155., duty per quarter to make ~g,so(li.. is wepid ; require Is incsometax; and was that, he: a ed Cti abolition of the . Gentlemen opposite. considered a r , mode kno7r, what , Htoti, (Sir B. Hall) found that from!,lB4l, to 184r,rate diity,?' fte the . imports . amounted' to ..869,641,0C10 tooth., included, following five years from 1846 to 1851 2 ' . a'n 4 , for the 466,755,0004, ~ showing a ; ;vast . increa se : -' bttb. ideludep; years the. exporta were, from, 184,1 t 11 1 . the .saws, chided, 659,408,0004; . and.. for the ,five o f 1845, , both in f.:moo 1846 , to 1851, both included, 833,16,0 9 (1 111wi n . Y ear i 3 ' anything could prove .the prosperity of .: th -441 no that g the- result of these exports and,imports......(ll country., it was, Manchester, z since 1846, the poor , rate tied ear: hear.) in leas than 50 par cent.; therefore he, wished - - • •h d menus e no, Hon. Gentlemen opposite were, going to ed .to know what benefit wail the reversal going to . take eater For whcae lords, the tenants ,or thetabourera?- (a P eit aes--for the lan ce lords,_ that,two Noble Dukes, (Richmond and flan) He bad were loud in their demands for protection h itutland), Who . diminution of their rents. ,Xeither.had this tad suffered .no --;(Oh, oh.). Well, if they had, why ,did • en ants suffered. make A reduction? Had any. reductions s u t ot the landlords. e", Oh, oh," .from the Ministerial, benches,) .taken plated ?- general : reduction had taken place.:....h, oh' : fa asser no word to say to the gentlemen called the „ Country ) He had a and as he preferred it should be in the languageuntry Party," to his own , he would _ just read an extract of another which concluded with these remarkable word r s 92ll a speech then,. because you see a great , personage giving "• Do not, pions, do not cheer him on-do not yi e ld ede i i , a up his sztlii political tergivereation." These were the words of thereward to Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor ehe present 1846 . and he then begged to ask hint, ashhe pro tr e e d r in o standby the principles on which he rose tpetiace? When on the. Opposition side of the House the Right 1108. Gentleman called for protection, and clamoured for dissolution,_( Hear, h e ar.) What they ask ed hint to do at present w as mere l y to d ec lare his intentions. -(Hears -hear.) The Right Hon.- G en tl em an called for " fair play," which they were inclined to give him ; but when, he called for 4 ' . protection," the coun try was justified in reciniring : toknow no. what ,that protection consisted.: (Hear, hear.) The Earl of MAR , CH assured the House • it was not his intention to follow in the tone or manner of the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman (Mr. B. Osborne), who s opened the pre sent discussion. The coarse followed by, that Hon. and Gal lant Gentleman•resembled that taken by the lawyer who, for want of a case, abused the other side.-( r ear, hear.) He had heard every word that fell from the on. and Gallant Member, and he appealed to the House to say if there could be found a particle of argument in the whole ,of his dis course ?(Hear, hear.) It Was a tisane of abuse:of Minis- , _L:53l+ 20., Pcnc). -•-• __________ -- legislation of that House, could it be doubted that they had retarde d improvement, prevented the tenant seeking for a reductit tra c f his rent, aud stopped progress in other direc tions?. „ T. 4, it. bad been.:4 - oieg on for five or six years, and now he, the . Light bras the .tires to ; brim the 'question to an ' issue. , 0'44 e:a la D '. ttC: 'titse;-. way es and Ear in 'lvhicilt i h s, whichec o u f re j - e hadt(orm e been j& ep ag e it e a e t ei ed ' es 1 , 4 „ . ijoubt whether they ; had really established the principlee of free trade; and 'in more- than eane country of Europe opera elope had been absolutely suspended, because they could n; at believe that when the,landed 'aristocracy, of w h om they I: Lae so tree an.. idea—ehey could not believe, they .did pot, , doubt that what they-said waif' true, that th e y intended to ~ reverse their e policy.--ecHear, hear.) nothing could be heti* r for, the can.s frf free trade than to , appeal to I the coutrtry, and the e cUriclaeien he came to-was that the in terest-, of, ehe .country weelcV keep 'them, true to it. They, might tr y to :interpose sot epther question. but .it w = ould not do, and eeelle e: asked was that the country should ,htive an cp. port wait; y .4)1 ' bringing the question; to an_issue.e-erheera.) Mr, ;el ~ r. viii.:ES lamented the taste; of the I on, Alember . , _ for tha.‘ s l'ilist ,Ridieg ; he lamented ,excessively Where the Noble- Le i .)rd,(the Earl of March) -statedithaC hie iaoble vela- eive e the Puke of..,llic.bma.cl, had climenishelle- r e e s te le ,. the lime , • Member- had coatinued to assert that ha had heard (rem eitfe ;net persona -that the Duke had not done so. . He had nerve„ 7 heard, any gentieman'a word, disputed. disputed. luso tin. proper , a,. . manner. He:. was glad that there was - to be a discussior . t. .The e qeestion was, was: the Gevernment of the country t ) be carried on cr not, -and .were the necessary Melt• surer for i is good toffee passed? - (Hear, heer.) If the late Gov ariament had declared the embodiment of the • militia to ee. necessary .for the defence : of the . country—if ; they had . - stated it to beempolitic to dissolre Parliament— were the p, resent Government to be taunted by Hon. Mem. I berm -on, t lee Opposition beaches for holding the same opi nions? : If ; the ;present Governmeat was to be thus opposed 1 it would he b Y ,a tyrannical m a jo r ity, and ' the country cer tainly ougl t ,t to be appealed to judee between them. He did not feese,the issue; he. knew the determination of the Noble Ear't (the. Earl of Derby) sufficiently well to know that, if do d'eaited,. he would nevertheless try the appeal again. The No el.'s: , , 'Earl wou ld h. , ....... coastiutionally .. right in _so doing.. i , lee: if_a dissolution were to take place at.once, the country e roued be .threwn into the greatest, confusion. Hun. ' Gentleme, ,n said they did not know whit. the policy of La" Es Noble Ea d -at the head of the-,Government . was ; Jet them read the : speech of the* Noble Earl.---( An ,Ilea. ,Member— Which of them?) The& inade keit mouth,. In that *eel the Nobl ~.) Earl said that a ; duty .would be . the hest. way of settling t: ae. question, but/that he would not - bring,forward i that clue' bon until he had taken the sense - of. the country ; upon it, b. iut in the meantime he would consider the measures necessary to relieve the suffering interests • from their-present- i ii burdens:— . e (Hear, hear,, arid a laugh.) The. onourable Member f or, the-West Riding had stated that- the. Peotec- ; tionists hi eel impeded .the improvement 'of 'agriculture. The Right lb. ,lourable. Baronet. the Member for .Ripon; in his speech the i other night, had alluded to the immenee, increase in the imi iodation of guano, the, great extent of drainage that had 1 teen undertakes, and other improvements. Since 184 G eapii al had been invested to a large extent in land, and wit e what return? Let Honourable Members read. Mr. e Lechi's balance-sheet, which showed a loss of 6371. in one yea r, on a fain of-188 acres. He would explain this as shortly lie possible. The Hon. Member for Berkshire made some expe: timents, the results of which he had published in 1847, and I Lis mode of operation had been adopted very gene rally by tl le farmers. By these experiments -it bad been ascertained . that thirteeie tons of farmyard manure, with three cwt. of gu me, produced as fertilising results as twenty tons of farmyai el manure alone in the productions of turnips; and as the guano used in such small :quantities was much cheaper the in the dung, the increased demand for the former article was accounted for without any extension of farming operations. Hon.:Members",opposite were anxious for a dis solution of Parliament, and such a measure might be neces- Key.- But let them do everything quietly. Let the esti-1 mates be g one through as rapidly as possible; let the few measures es 'hich were absolutely necessary be carried, and ' then he would say that if a dissolution were ire-' 'fused the Opposition would have a rational cause of.com- ; plaint, and -would be justified in the exercise of their con stitutional powers. But when he looked at the present state of the nation—when he considered how little excite- , ment was at : present going on, how little had been caused by , the exit of • the late Administration and the coming in of the present, he felt assured that the people would calmly take i Lord Dere , , y's explanation of his policy into consideration, and would t leterraine upon upholding that Minister in his en-; deavours to do justice to all classes of the community and to uphold the constitution.— (Hear) He believed that Noble Earl would be found ever ready to bring in new measures when neces nary, but firmly resolved to set his face against reckless innovation.—(Protectionist cheers-) ; Mr. CAIeDWELL —lf I am. so fortunate as to obtain for t a brief period the attention of the Committee, I promise that; I will not willingly let fall a mingle word having the re motest teneency to perpetuate that heat which a few minutes since seem , :d so disagreeably i me e n eet,-- (Hear, hear.) Il believe there!: never was an occasion upon which calmness and, deliberate i.eflection was more urgently called for from those who take part in these debates. (Cries of "Bear, hear.") I believe that we are now called upon to. .settle one of the: most impolrtant questions upon which the liberty and hap-' piness of a free pe0p1.... can d e pend. If ‘so eee that il , i tais favoured country, duri ng t h e l a st few years, you have i enjoyedun exampled peace and happiness, has it not arisen ; from that balance of a free const i tuti on, which, by the ob- 1 servance on. the part of the Crown,. and on the partof Perlia- . ment, of certain definite rules, and. certain established: precedents, maintains a bal ance a freedom, securing the! sovereignty and pre-eminence of the Throne on the one side„ and the ri glitz and happiness of the people on the other.— (Cheers.) And, Sir, the first questions that we are called upon to raise in this discussion are, what are the privileges,l and, correlatively with those privileges, what is the _duty of this House of Parliament? . We now see before us a number of gentlemen for whom I entertain a high respect, and many ; of whom I have the happiness of recognising among thel number of my personal friends. The members of the Queen's Governmesit are under these circumstances, that they have been, according to their own admissions frequently made, and implied by the withdrawal of measures to which they attach importance, called to office, while they did not possess the confidence of this House. Well, then, what is the state of affairs, and what in that state of affairs is the duty which devolves upon us ? I shall tell you, from authority which you will respect, what are the relations of thti Commons to the Crown, the country being situated a 4 it is at present. In 1841 three propositions were laid down that the power of the executive govern-' ment to carry measures in the House of Commons wasp essential to the country's independence—that when Govern 4 ment found itself in such a position that it no longer pos e seamed that power, one single alternative remained, that ale ternative being to resign office or to dissolve Parliament • It was further laid down that if they elected to dissolve, thej must dissolve immediately, with no greater • delay than tl4 exigencies of the public service required.—(Protectionist cheers.) I am glad to hear this proposition receive so much concurrence on the other aide of the House; but they ought to concur.in it beca u se it w as laid down by no mean author 1 rity, the late lamented Sir Robert Peel, and, what pedal those gentlem en w ill va l ue more , h a d the concurrence of a those Members of the present Cabinet who then had the hoe nour of seats in the House of Commons, and who testified their concurrence by following Sir R. Peel into the lobby of that occasion. —(H ear .) N or were - t h ose pro po s itions lai down as mere dry abstract propositions, but reasons .al were given.. It was laid down and argued before you that the well-being of this eonstitution depends on the constant and uniform maintenance of the equilibrium:. It was -said, If you do not maintain it, if you maintain the contrar' of the proposition thus described, so unconstitutional, ap dangerous a doctrine I never heard maintained, so dangerous to public men, and so fatal to the energy of Government?,' Then follows the picture that w as d rawn o f t h e position in which Government Weald be placed if they permitted 016 principles laid down-to be' violated. "No doubt you would easily find gentlemen to carry on the administration of Go vernment, respectable men, ' and fully equal to the &ads of the executive; without meeting with the censure of Pere , liatnent ; but if you be satisfied with the mere discharge Of executive functions, and do not insist -upon the power cif ; carrying into effect by legislation the advice you think it your duty to give to the Crown, what need is there of con cert among Ministers, and what are the consequences thii e t must follow, what encouragement do you give to the Hou of Commons to trespass on the prerogative of the Crown? If the Government say ' We are independent of the legie lative measures and divisions of this House, that which vs your peculiar function we will disregard, our fate shall net depend upon your decisions, nothing but your interference with our executive administration shall influence our reten tion of power,' what an inducement; do you not hold out to the House of Commons to interfere with the prerogatives of the Crown ?" Permit me now to read the following sen tences :—" It is inconsistent with all usage, and inconsistent with the spirit of 'tile Constitution, that a Govemmenjt should be enabled to select the measures which it thinks proper to submit to the consideration of a' condemned Pat lianient, that it should withdraw some and; submit others, that it 'should• tell the Parliament, ' an immediate dissolu tion is in contemplation, but before we dissolve we will juet bring forward those measures, the rejection of which we think most likely to damage the House , of Commons u in the eyes of their constituents ; we will propose pop , votes such, tor example, tie that for advancing money for the con ' etructiort of' railways in Ireland; we will bring forward par ticular measures which' we are of opinion may aid the party - cums of our Administration, but respecting . every measure which;we have , hitherto described as essential to the welfare of 'the country—measures the - principle of which has been affirmed by large• majorities in Parliament, but the great r discussion 'of which may prejudice our cause at the hnstin a ; ' —r es pecting them we will exercise our own discretion as o whether they alma be brought forward or withheld.'" Th t is,' encourage the House of Commons to trespass on t e f exec utive Government's province, and you en courage t e executive, not to bring forward on their ow n respons ibi li y measure - of which they approve,' but to frame measures with a•vieWto party operations on a dissolution of Peri+ dent, If that be your position ;constitutionally, what duti -tlien` devolves on Members of the House of-Commons? Dog there' not devolve on them this most:paramount obligation-,' that these ) Mr the maintenance of the-rights of the Crown, readier theirprete6tionagainst these evil consequenc ° h uld take the first opportunity, not s • by a factiou s opposition, n4t by precipitate interference interference with the Ezecacids t ee h n e a c e o o n f at t i h tu e t grionea?t—(Hear, wi hear ch ..) suc As h -Government, but calmly and d e lib erate l y, of declaring their a tocoarse the second must g hr u r tian t° —Of Whitt is the clanger ?—the danger is, that you shall take by sap that which•you cannot takehy storrae—(Hear,bear,_ e ) You know that you 'dare not directly assa il th e polie _3 l, wh;Z: has secured the. enjoyments of th e people , to weum the 'Hams of Commons is pledged; .but because you cannot take by assault, you attempt t o ta k e b y a new an d easier course' My Hon. Friend who has just eat down referred, to the speech of the Earl of Derby, expressing himself eorapletelY satisfied with ' the tenor , of that speech. ; L et sae co ngratulate my Honourable Friend upon hi s ; beings great deal more neople eagle? satisfied than a great insnY o —er e who have great diffi cu lty i n comprehendingthe meaning of w i h me a little that' speech. But let my Hon. Fr l ert he g laid t down is, that into that speech, of which the Pr---rihe licy of 1846 the policy of 1842 was right,' but that the Pc! i'c which Wall wrong; and that you should control th: i ii i c Y of to e tariff' unfortunately adopted in 1846 with Pe►l . e riff Let me remind you, first of the United States of America- Hon. the . of the way in whibh the night ;I Chancellor of the I f the American t ariff. have an extract Exchequer spoke 0 the American tariff, from his speech, regardiTg_ ,048. He. when the income-tax was renewed la I' said --" The result of a trade carried on between a country which permit s free n hotil imports, and one which maintains e tariffs is, that the sap arts of the . former are diminished s in proportion to the ;ff " amount of their tan le That is to say, that the exports of. aMOU . a country in which . free trade was est a bli s h e d di m i n i s h e d, while t h os e of the country that maintained hostile tariffs in creased. ..1 ow, let me ask that Right Hon. Gentleman how he would' account for this, that for eight y ears there was no perceptible change in the amount of our trade, b u t that in 1842 It began to spring, and in fou r years it had increased f ro m fifty to sixty millions. Then c ame th e policy of 1846, which Lord Derby, although he will not absolutely reverse, is confessedly prepared to modify. In the six years that have elapsed since 1846 our t ra d e h as i n creased to 74 mil lions—that is to say, increa se d mor e rapidly a fter the sys tem of free imports had been introduced than during the period intervening between 1842 and 1846. In the meantime what was the condition of the other country, America, with which we are compared ? I hold in my band the opinion of the President of the United Staten on that subject, and I do riot find that he is at alt satisfied with the effect ni of his tariff; but he proposes to the Legislature to amen e its re sults, by granting more protections--(Protectienist cheers.) But alreedYeht amount of protection' btemenefacturest inn the United - Suttee ridges from 20 to 30 per cent., and el FA; iee that the amount of protection the Right Hod. - Gehtleman ' opposite neabout to propose for this'ntmetrY?-e(rfear, begs> , T.; e Right Hon. 'Gentleman 'has 'ffirther di:knee:reef - that ere are greatly indebted to California for {'favourable eieenees of the !nee-trade problem. -BetsAmerica• has' nom : ; retitled ' to California as well as ' this . cosintrin 'end "-IF th e ktied 4l of California e as been of such great benefit' to:lse. see is likely than it would Also have edneserhet j ehise e nEen America, ' but hear what . the' - Piesidert e siie4 s eneeeet that sujeet; e-e The ' exports of `speeds, e'en"' ne e liiinel . . date our'" foreign'debt diiiing . the 'poet frenal yeinlidieeteen ' 24,263,979 dollars over the' amount of leeeibeemeiorted,": It' may be true that the bullion has passed' tnreuglanisießaikser England,' like a sieve, but it lasi Raved 'tl.9 ftent k ;seal eats- ' 11 *, and elle Chidicelloref the Ueliegher 'clueneteneiey that We haVe now' more beillon - hntlie•B i an o k po t t liti o n fr ::: ifo n: what have. been ' the consequences - he AMerice? l•restrin • ten ne ne.ex•ise se-seers; ~ - z e , ,(7 - r zit, - :0,!-;tatve - t1 4 -4 , li t exports of specie, notwithstandin g f the'. nia, have exceeded those imports hone/ear to The amount of twenty-five millions. . Now, let me ask' oe.this question. Ton are goi ng to re-adjust taxation net Only on Ora:bet:nil other articles; and from the mysterions way' in Whictiey6u deal with the House, it beeomes necessary for cue tinenceit s our to e x t ract f rom evidence' what are the articles you` art likely to tax; and as there is no' one evhese 'eenteni is i 0 likely to form a precsadent with geettenien opeosete at the late Lord George Bentinck, I .shall refer to the budget he brought forward the last ti me the income Co iß m 4 maobnys whether they are prepared to -tax was renewed. .Let Me such a budget as . thise, I, find ' ;e s p k lat e th i e lo ta us r e itr ot of that he proposed to get 85 0,000/., if not double - that sutn, upon corn, , and • 700,000 e upon timber. Now n e in the navi gation-laws bave been irrevocab'y repealed, 'arid that 'ship- owners and shipbuilders' are desirous of being diseneberrassed id every impediment, would the Muse be ' willing to levy 700,000 L on timber e—(gear, 'hearen ' ' Oa cotton he proposed to raise 660,0034 and he deted :the de eline of the Cotton manufacture from the retrieval of thee duty; eising this remarkable expression, " I : take' cotton -ror duty !because it will be taking a lesson from the: , b 0614 . ef th - st 'United States." Now,. let us take e leesen frotin'the United {States. The raw material is breught'eeee to': ;JO maniinac e ' tured into' garments for expertation to en, theneorld. 'wh o ; i teen, is your natural competitor—who is, `iteegeinstee is e el you would bemost anxious to hole eller err, in ee autitat _ . tures or cowmerce? Is it net the United States e _N ow, i ponder, well upon these facts. The consumption or, tier cot ton its the,United Stales had gradually risen'uptil the • date; was removed in Great Britain, but since that time 'it hia been gradually decreasing, and your Manufactures hive been supplanting the naanufactures• of the United States,— ( Hear, hear.) Letiod ask you to; apply to.this one of you; own canons. Y ou d es i re t o encouragiehe British etpouree. and to make the foreigner pay for that encouragement. I will show you that you have encouraged , half es much more labour, and made the foreigner pay half aa• much more since ' 1846 than he paid before. - The Chancellor of , the Exchequer approved of the, policy of 1842, but disapproved of that of 1846. Well, the effect of the policy of 1842 .was, that we are ,able to remit of taxes that pressed. on the people, of two millions, and in 1845 the Customs and Excise were. reduced as much 'more. But what did the tariff of '1846 do ? It enabled you to take off seven or eight. million of taxes, in addition, while the Excise and Customs aro as high as ever. Now, I appeal to you on behalf of adhere the great to a interests tbstsoaft the country. I trust you will em ploys British industry, makes foreigners pay, and while it diminiehes the burdens of the people, does not di minishe.memthbeere of thereceipts House ofthe o co fExchequer.mmo, are us liabyoutuhdatto see we, th that clear explanations are given on all these subjects, and tbat nothing is left in doubt.—(Hear, hear.) I must now ask your attention for a few moments to what I think an interesting matter of history. Adam Smith, at the close of his immortal work, leaving exhausted the subject to which it referred, described a scheme of finance to which he said there were so many powerful e combinations and so many great interests opposed, that its achievement might well be considered Utopian. His scheme com prehended a great change in the Customs and Excise duties, confining them to a few great articles of luxury or consumption. such as sugar, rum, and tobacco. Lord Derby finds fault with the tariff of 1846, because it did take away the Excise and Customs except on a few great articles of luxury and consumption. Adam Smith then went on to state whet would be the results of his scheme. First, the debt would be diminished—the debt has been diminished— and in the meantime the people had been relieved from some of the most burdensome taxes, and the labouring classes- would be enabled to live better and cheaper, and send their work cheaper into market. The cheapness of the goods would ensure the demand for the labour that produced them, and the power of the labouring classes to consume exciseable articles would be vastly increased. Now, what was an Utopia to Adam Smith has been accomplished by Sir Robert Peel. The interest of the debt has decreased from 29e millions to 28 millions. The consumption by the poor of • - et articles of cooner, eas vasne eicreseed, such as cocoa, tea, sugar, and tobacco, and ill that has been accom plished, while at the same time a great surplus was secured for the revenue.—(Hear.) I now venture to close the case which I have endeavoured feebly to lay before you. I think I have shown you by no invidious reference to farmer speeches, but simply by a recurrence to those arguments and propositions you held in former years, and have never die avowed, and which the Hon. Member who has just sat down challenges me to read in the speeches of Lord Derby, ex pressing, at the same time, the most unbounded confidence that the results of the next election would confirm them, the effect which your present motion must have on the interests of the people. Now, we, the commoners of England, do not want to have all the beneficial results of free trade reversed ; we do not want you take by sap that which you cannot take by storm ; we, in the exercise of our constitutional duty, respectfully, not in bitter ness of language, but with much force of argument, call on you, for the sake of the country and of yourselves, to give what you call your policy to the country, disguising nothing and explaining everything. I trust that there willbe no party or factions proceedings.—(Oh, oh.) I entirely assent to the proposition that faction, if there be faction, would redound to your advantage, and would recoil upon us.—(Hear. ' hear.) I am an earnest advocate for our commercial policy as it exists, and I desire to give you no such advantage as the appearance of faction on our part would create, but I believe that we should be dull watchers, faithless guardians of our public trust, if we did not insist on explicit declarations of your future intentions; I believe that if we did not demand such explanations, we should be parties to the surrender of those principles by which the British Constitution guarantees at once our liberties and our rights.—(Cheers.) Mr. CAYLEY said, with respect to what had fallen from the Honourable Member who had just sat down, he always. referred to the policy of the late Sir Robert Peel. Now, when he talked about the commercial improvement which had followed free-trade measures, he (Mr. Cayley) must be o d f ou t b h t elut been perm itted to observe that, in every instance . of commercial s t ag nation, there - was a corresponding spring, in commercial ons.WhHatethdeidy unictiltleddenfryeethtreadperobd u sp e enty o a benefit to the' country, by the lowness of the price of corn. the lowness of the price of Agricultural product lessened the f t e r w a n years.a acti But what they on the Ministerial side contended was , that home trade.—(Ministerial cheers.) ' He would remind the • House,' also, that the. Protectionists did net foresee the famine .10. Ireland —( Hear , hear)—noi did the Gentlemen on the OPposition side.—(Hear, hear.) One Object they had in view was, not to give the people less; but to give them more employment; and hence arose the doctrine of protec ta.—(Ministerial cheers, and ironicaecheeksefeom:the Op pos position.) n. ) Could they show them that , under the present • h were th rich e partie s s ystem, the people'would have a larger amount' of food and a larger amount of employment? The who profited by the presen t s y stem, and he Would admit, for the moment, the working classes. Notwithstanding what had been said, the man ufacturers b ad not been gainers. They complained last year , an d thou gh they might be making small profits be the home trade, they were loiing by the ex port trade.—(tiear, bear.) If the House thought he was arguing for a restoration of protection such as they had be fore, they quite misunderstood him. He had also said that they should first exhaust every other mode. It seemed to him that the object of Gentlemen opposite was to have some ground of quarrel.—(Hear, hear, and laughter from the Op position.) The Honourable Member (Mr. Cobden) saw they were not Protectionists, and he was determined to make them g ee -(lean hear.) At that moment he did not think it fair to ask of Lord Derby's Government a more explicit de claration than had been made.—(Ch eers, and ironical c h eers .) If the farm ers o f England thought proper to have co e n u ti o d u e Honourable e in G would not return to a P rotec ti on i st G overnment, and there fore they wanted Mini s t ers to go to the country.—(Hear, was as cOu it li to hear.) But Government would not take, that course. — (Ironical cheers from the Opposition.) They had several things to complete—they had to complete free trade, which at present was one. sided. —(Hean, hear.) They had next to complete reciprocity ; then to complete protectio n ; and also to complete tllu rt•visir.r. of taxatiere - He (Mr. Ceeleee l thought he remembered that the 'Noble Lord (Lord John Russell) had said th at the resent weir not the fit bane to dissolve Parliament.—(Hear, hear.) If that were so, would they not allow th e Noble Lord 'it the head of the Govern ment to exercise his di scr etion?—(Heitte hear, from the Ministerial side.) When the Noble Lord ' (Earl PerhY) was not going to introduce eny measures of his own, but to through s.uch as were in'progress , aed _ w n ey considered trade of the season of 'the year, the the metropolis, and the state of Europe, he was of o pi n ion that for the ten rem a i n i ng would be n to carry months of the ,session whiche alluded to, that eces tr through the busineeehe ...sd , accede to . the pleenesitic m °I Government. Last year they said that, the Protecti onists could not carry on the Govern ment.. If that be se, why not " give them rope enough ?" d laughter.) Why not give, them some (near , 11e4r ' an e If they had - • ' th months' ineerien ee e any. 'confidence, in tru W hy should.they object? see would ask whys little expo w-,,„,..,,, w ould not be beneficial-. to the counteye He could "en thinking that the present 'Government should be not hen): • ermitted to choose their time for 'a 'dissoliitien ef 'neje- Pee Noble Lord (Lord - h liy bad Chosen meat as the his.—(Hear, hear.) l— enrol J. RUSSELL said—We 'have hsiite two verY great . • ' on of the and important questions to - consider—ode m; flie the li th Constitution, and another, the quesel: d e - i c l ' 4 c7- t ,:, ea commercial policy, which has been puretiectirohe aeltion of the present ihne. les ei -sew, .0, with iespecttatheee re . . b ion has Constitution, r upon 'which I think much XeieeP.P. een alleged eiristed, and' in relation - to which much lasl 0 undeserved," I will against Me which I believe to "be totally te tustry t hp • state what occur s t o m e. on that stikieen The la resigned office, and it appeared that a d I to Me , - wan not to Elena or any one, not bound to recommend her Majestya jesty the so of the greatest party i n Yet, as Lord Derby wes. at ef f iel- to find . suppdrt in this this House, and vies more . Minister, it seemed to me consonant House than any other smd her Majesty to send for the with my duty to recommaer Majesty, and, as I ex_ pected, Earl of Derby. He ex e cuted.Bvr the commands of her Maje s t y . accepted office, and w Ministry then became o ne t h at The position of the ne w e Parliamntary constitution Tbsy was consonant with our a but to take their seats and ppear here had nothing to do _ Butwhat h • the Crown. was t hei r next as Ministers of the avowed that they differed in opinion from the They.ha policy adoted and' pursued sines 1846. One m the commercial mile t have t he re upon, they miletaken, and that was the course ble. They might have taken the 'course of re most reasons • leg the existing House.of measures w hiCh they thought desirabl e t o t h at House. That was the course taken by Lord Grey when I, as the organ of that Government, proposed the Reform Bill to names of commons elected under the Government of the Duke of Wellington. I myself had taken a smiler course in 1846, when I proposed to the House of Commons in which Sir R. Peel had a majority an alteration 'of the sugar duties, and I carried on the business of the Government during that and the succeeding session with that House of Commons. But, if that were not the course that the present Govern- ment thought proper to take' there was another course, attended with some p u bli c i nconv enience I admit, and to which there were objections, but perfectly constitutional and perfectly open to them. That was to declare, as the Secretary of State for the Colonies declared the other day, that, wishing to revise, to alter, and to mo dif y the policy of Parliament with regard to free trade, ill which her 1 I i 5 • ) )11 !if ip