The Sun. — London, England, 1837-02-22 00:00:00

SE (F LORDS-TUESDAY. THE EARL OF AHLTOWN V. FRENCH. Th',: arguments in this Irish appeal, which were part.heard Ye s '.erday, were concluded to-day, and their Lord..,hips deferred ju,dgment. THP. QUERN OF PORTUGAL V. SIR RICHARD CARR GLYNN Mr. I'EMBF,KTON and Mr. ROUPEL were heard on behalf of the appellant, the Queen of Portugal, and the ftirther hearing was postponed. We shall give the facts w hen their Lordships give judgment. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. ( From the New _London Price Current of Feb. 21.) SUGAR.—The stock of West India Sugar is now 18,794 hhds. and trs., being 4,134 more than last year. The stock of Mauritius is now 45,348 bags, which is 18,034 less than last year, (including the East India Dock.) The de livery of West India last week was 2,682 hhds. and trs., which is 794 more than last year. The delivery of Mau ritius was 4,616 bags, being 1,308 less than the corres ponding week of last year (including the East India Dock). This afternoon there was a good demand from the refiners as well as grocers, and for the coloury descriptions rather stiffer prices were obtained. At auction 120 casks Barbadoes went at sd. a Is, advance for the best sorts, other qualities sold at full prices ; low and fine yellow went at 61s. a 675. 6d. The purchases, including the sale, amount to 1,000 hhds. and trs. In the value of Refined goods there has been no change; there has been much inquiry from the shippers to execute im mediate orders at 365. to 365. 6d. for double Crushed. Lumps that would pass the standard selling at 785., rather under 775. ;• Prussian Lumps 745. to 755., and 745. to 775, for single Loaves ; for melting Lumps 71s. to 71s. has been paid for large, and 74a. to 775. for small. The supply of Treacle at Alark'Jt is still short ; the demand continues brisk. Bastards have been taken very sparingly, but in the prices there have been no particular variation. Of Dutch Crushed 100 hhds. have been taken at 345. Nlautirries.—There has been little demand by private con . tract, but in the quotations there have been no particular change ; 6,790 bags at public sale were nearly all disposed of at full prices for the good qualities, but the ord sorts gave way 6d., ordand fine yellow went at 565. to 635., good brown 535. to 6-ts. 6d. EAST INDIA. —This afternoon at public sale 800 bags Ben gal, which went at an advance of Is., low middling white sold at 295. a 30a. ad., damps 293. a 295. 6d., very ordinary 253. 6d. a 28s. 6d. F0Rxhax.,..F,....1.4e Brazil Sugars there continues to be much inquiry at prices fully equal to thoso which have ruled of Lice, but owing to the supply at market being short and stiffer rates demanded by the holders, but few actual transanctions have taken place ; there is very little disposition evinced to do business either in the yellow or brown qualities, and nothing has been done, although there are sellers at prices rather un der those of last week. 1,300 boxes good white Ilavannah have been taken at 38s. Nfor.AssEs.—The prices of West India have given way 6d., and the transactions have been confined to small parcels of fair and good Demerara, a: 265. to 275., and mid. Antiguas at 276. 6d. Rust, BRANDY, AND riouallos.—Leewards and Demerara have declined Id. ; 6 per cent. over proof of the former at 2s. 6d., and 28 to 36 over proof of the latter at 3s. Id. to 4s. For Brandy there has been a good request for home consup tion. In Geneva little doing. Ort.s.—Sales of Seal have been made at 50/. for pale; and 44/. to 461. for brown and yellow ; southern, 431. to 47/. At auction 12 tuns cod sold at 451. to 45/. 10s. Sperm is in good request ; linseed oil dull of sale at 345, Rtes.—Bengal low mid and good mid white at 10s. 6d. a 135., good Patna kind 1.55. a 13s. 6d. ; Madras taken in at 10s. 6d. SPELTRa.—About 1000 tons have been disposed of on the spot at 161. TALLOW. —Sales of Petersburg Yellow Candle made at 455. 3d. for first quality. For delivery in the last three months 425. 6d. is demanded. TEA.-Small profits have been paid on the rates of the last public sales--2s. Id. a 3s. 4d. for Hysons, and ltd. a 101 d. for Congous. CoFFEL_Jamaica of mid. and low mid. quality sold at 96s to 103 s. tid., g ood and fine ord. 725. to 935. ; Bcrbice mid and good mid. 89s. to 935. 6d. ; Demerara good mid. 88s. 6d.. fine fine ord. 80s. The Foreign Market remains in a languid state, and the business done has been almost entirely confined to the public sales of 1,000 bags Brazil, not above 600 bags of which were disposed of at 2s. decline, good and fine ord. Rio salting at 445. 6d. to 495. 6d. ; the private sales have been only 150 bags St. Domin go a t 52 5. f or fi ne or d . SPICES.-This day at auction 84 bags Pimento sold at 3+l. to 31d, for mid. 396 chests Cassia sold at very steady prices, low to fine at 555. to 635. 6d. 3:37 bags Pepper went at 30. for Malabar ; Sumatra taken in at 34d. to 3 TURPENTINE.-Of Rough there have been no sales, 12s. s3d. is the price offered, but the holders require 13s. per cat. Spirits are rather more enquired after at a shade better prices say 625. a 645. per cwt. Sit.x..-There was a good attendance at the East India Company's Sale : of 800 bales Bengal, about 390 bales were refused, the remainder went at a decline on the former sale of 10 to 20 per cent, the greater decline on the ord. descrip tions. The prices obtained are as follows :-Bauleahs 1 is. a 125., Gonateas 143. a 14s. Id., Jungpore 13s. 3d. a 16s. 3d., white 17s, 11d. a 1/3s. Id., Radnarrore 13s. 2d. a 15s. 6d., Ilurripaul 12s. 7d. a 153. 63., Surdah 12s. 7d. a 183. The Private Trade sales of about 300 bales are going off heavily, a very small portion finding buyers. EXPLOSION.—.TiIe Manchester Times of Saturday gives an account of a most extraordinary explosion of gas in a steam-boiler, by which a man lost his life. On the inquest which was held, Dr. Dalton gave evidence to the following effect :—" There are but two kinds of explosion can possibly take place in a ease like this : one by the too high pressure of steam bursting the boiler, the other from a mixture of atmo spheric air and combustible gas. The first of these, in this instance, is entirely out of the question, the boiler being empty and cold at the time ; the explosion must therefore have been occasioned by one of the second class of causes. I find there are gas-works on the pr em i ses , an d i t may b e i mag i ned that they have been instrumental in this explosion, but from the inspection I have made I find that this was impossible; I do not think that the ingenuity of man could have ac complished it. Ido not think that gas could have gene rated in the boiler after the water had been drawn off; but I conceive that it was generated by letting the water fall upon the re d h o t coa l s, and the greatest error was in neglecting to take off the lid of the manhole. I expect that the water was trickling out during the whole of the night and part of the next day, in consequence of no air having been admitted into the boiler at the top. There are two kinds of gas generated by means of burning coals, when water is thrown upon them : the one hydrogen, the oth,r earF.lnnic oxide. Both of them are lighter than com mon air, and would therefore have a tendency to ascend ; and it appears to me there was an opportunity iu this case f or t h at to have take n pl ace . Thi s process might have been going on for twelve hours, and so have continued to work on until a considerable quantity of combustible gas had ascended. A quantity sufficient to fill one-tenth of the boiler would pro duce an explosion. After the fire was extinguished, the com mon air would t into the boiler through the plug-hole. The explosion would not have occurred but for the introduction of the candle. The gas could not have found its way out of the boiler while the lid was on except through the plug hole, and that not in less than a day or more. In his judg mente that was the cause of the explosion." SErtmus CALA MITY.—Extract of a letter from Troy, United States, dated Jan. 2, 1837 : —The lower part of our city has become a modern l'ompeii. Last evening, about seven o'clock, the hill at the lower part of the city slid down, covering up houses, barns, Sze., with men, women, and children in them. It has covered up everything half way to the river, psssing over Sixth, Fifth, and Fourth -streets, to Third-street. Never was there greater consternation—the whole city is in motion. Eight dead human bodies have already been found, and 19 horses. It is impossible to say how many lives are lost. I have just come from the spot, and I saw them dig out two little children, lying on a truckle bed, sleeping the sleep of death, without a bruise upon them. Where Fourth-street was, the travelled earth is at least sixty feet high. Fortunately there were not many houses near the spot, but what were arc buried. It is calculated that seven buildings, each occupied by two or three families, are destroyed. There was one house upon the hill, which has totally disappeared. I was sitting in my house, and heard a rumbling noise like distant thunder ; went to the door, and saw a light in the south, and a cloud coming over the city with gravel filling like hail. The brick kiln has been removed about a hundred rods, and yet kept burning, giving light enough to see the horrible scene. To odd to the dreadful sight, water came foaming down the hill i a torrent. The swamps that are not filled up with earth are filled with water. It is a melancholy day with us. We may add that Troy is the capital of Renselaer county, New York. MM. FOR R EST.—" We have private letters from Mr. Forrest himself," says the editor of the PlaindenlPr (a newly-commenced American political and literary journal), " in which - he speaks of his success with characteristic mo desty, and in terms that show the most grateful sense of the kindness of the London audience. The letter was written in the unreserved communicativeness of private friendship, and not designed for the public eye ; yet we take the liberty so far to violate espistolary confidence as to place the following brief extract before our readers:—' My success in London has been most triumphant. It has greatly exceeded my most sanguine expectations. Here, in the land of Shakspeare, and where his productions bring audiences to the theatre who really un derstand their intrinsic merits, I have, in some of his noblest characters, the masterpiece of dramatic art, been received with such warmth, such exceeding fervour of applause, as must be my excuse for the air of egotism and vanity which my letter will, no doubt, wear. Not only in my profes,ional efforts, but in my private walks in society, I have been greeted with t}" utmost kindness. Macready has behaved in the noblet man ner, and has taken every occasion to express himself in the handsomest terms concerning rne." Thomas Everett, a brickmaker, who had been drink ing freely at a Tom-and-Jerry shop, at Spalding, on Wednes day night, off ere d f or a wager t o d r i n k a gallon of strong ale is - five minutes. The people present consented, and found the ale for him, which he went into the yard to drink. Everett put the pot to his month, and at two swallows drank nearly half of it, when be fell senseless to the ground. The landlord and those who were present left him there for some time, and then put him down before a fire in the room, where they left him for several hours without attending to him. When they entered the room again, they found his legs and one hand much burnt and dreadfully blistered. The fellows then pro cured a cart, into which they threw him, and conveyed him home, where he died without com i ng to his senses. —Boston Herald. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. II 0 USE OF LORD 5, FEnttriAly 21. The LORE CnAscELroa took hip seat at Dive minutes past Five o'clock. Lord tin NVON presented a petition from a parish in the a.. tv of Devon, and also from Mowbray, against - tile abolition .. - ,!•T`' • • , ea j theee tedritequence of that insulation, and because ido not of Church Rates. The Bishop cif LONDON s a id th a t h e h a d a num b er o f by stating it compromi s e my opini o n s , or th a t o f an y o th er in petitions, especially frontparishes in the county of E s s ex , t o p re - dividual—b u t th ere i s another a i upon which I, as a nd, hamint have strong opinions, sent against the Aboliti on o f Ch urc h- rates. Th ere were some member of th e Ch urc h o f England, pyre and which I will n o t h es it a t e n ow t o avow . My Lords,liarities attending tho se p e titi ons . I n one par i s h t h e gait- in lookine round thi s coun t r y, I b e li eve t h a t f ew i n d ee d tioners represented •19-:,Orbs of those who p a id Churchsrate!, will be the pl aces i n w hi c h th e mem b ers o f t h e Ch urc h In another parish th ere w a s no t one w h o h a d not s i gne d t h e peti tion ; and in another, the only four Dissenters who were of England do not out-number to a degree hardly conceivable, !title to write their Church-rate. Th e Ri g ht R everen d names, had signed a p e titi on aga i ns t t h e not onl y indivi dual sects of Dissenters , but all their sects put abolition together. lam not a ware , f rom a ll th e ex p er i ence I h ave h a d i n of the Prelate then present e d p e t i ti ons f rom ( among ot h er places) those parts of Engl an d with which lam cemnected, in which the Great o.lkley, Mil e E n d, Li tt l e O x l ey, G reat O x l ey, Dissenters, I do nut m ean one sec t, b u t a ll t h e sects o f Dissen- St. Martin's Colchester, H ox t on , R e d w i nter , Westbuieg,hold, tars, are not infinitely inferi or i n num b ers t o t h e Ch urc h o f Eng land. Now, my Lords, having s t a t e d th a t I s h ou ld h a il th a t day nerd's, Little Cl ac t on Chipping Ongar, Gr ea t Cl ac t on , Greet Sainford, Great A mwe ll, B rox b urn , Ri c kli ng, S t. Leo as one of the utmost glory to th e Chu rc h, w h en th e Anglican, , Wormingford, Grcenstead, and Wicks. the Independent, the Presbyterian, and the Baptist, will all The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented petitions meet there to worship—l go further, and say this, that if it from Ely, and the clergy of the Archdeaconry of Stafford, could be proved to me that in any parish in England any against the abolition of Church-rates, of EXETER prese n t e d a p e titi on f rom a other sect is more numerous tha n th e Ch urc h o f En g land, I, The Bis as a member of that Church, should h ave no o bjection to sur renderhop to that sect the ecclesiastical pr o p er ty w ithi n that parish. parish in the coun ty o f D evon , s i gne d b y every rate-payer except one, against th e a b o liti on o f Ch urc h- rates. Al so pel t - I think, my Lords, if the memb e r s o f Dissenting congregations tions from Bradl e y, Littl e t on , an d Sid mout h , to t h e same effect. were more numerous in any pl ace f or a cer t a i n l eng th of time than the members of the Church of England, they would Lord BROUGHAM said he had a number of petitions to be entitled to be invested with all Ecclesiastical rights. present, he could not say to the same effect as those which had Whether the majority of those present or not Ido not know, jest been presented—(Laughter)—b u t the whole perfectly different, and all go i ng in an entirely different direction. but I well know that the majority o f your Lordships' House, who are not present, will thi n k thi s doctrine highly sub- The Noble and Learned Lord then presented petitions from versive of the Church of England.—(Hear.) It appears (among other places) Fakenham, Milford, Honiton, Staines, to me that the very solid Bounds of the Church of England Union-street, High-street, I3oroughr Ipswich, Dunkeld, and are, and on which it must rest—the grounds of immutable various other places, in Scotland and England, in favour of justice ; and it does not appear to me that the Church of Eng the abolition of Church -rates. land being the superior, ought to assume those attributes which Dunstable, and other pl aces , p ray i ng Lord MELBOURNE presented a petition from Rochester, ought only to be given to her inferiors in number. My Lords, Church-rates. for the abolition of tear I have taken up too long a time in stating my opinions The Marquis of L ANSDOWNE said that he had a peti- on the subject; therefore I shall only further occupy your time by laving these numerous petitions on your table. tion to present, which was very numerously signed by the in habitants of the city and county of Limerick, praying that The Archbishop of CANTERS UR. Y said he had heard, partly with pleasure, and partly with feelings of a different their Lordships would p ass a we ll- cons id ere d system of nature, the speech of the Noble Lord. He understood the rule Poor-laws for Ireland. The Noble Lord then proceeded to say, that he h e ld i n hi a h an d a p a p er , i n p ursuance o f a me- of the [louse to be, that these discussions ought not to he'brought forward upon the presentation of petitions. At the same time his tion made by a Noble Baron opposite, on the subject of the respect for the Noble Lord betrayed him into an' irregu.- amount of money borrowed on Church-rates. He had found larity of the same kind, though he should not occupy much that he should be compelled to wait for a considerable time if of their Lordships' time. He entirely concurred with the all the parochial authorities were communicated with, and he, Noble Earl in the wish expressed by him, that there might be for the satisfaction of the Noble Baron and the House, would lay such an abundance of places of worship in the country, that no on the table an abstract of the amount of the loans of money lent man, however poor, in whatever part of the country, might have a on the security of Church-rates up to 1835, and he would now difficulty in finding a place of worship into which he might go. move for a similar return up to the present time.—Agreed to. The Noble Earl had made an attack on what he had pleased Earl FITZ WILLIA M presented a petition from the con- to call the Anglican Church of England. He did gregation of Great Huntly, in Yorkshire, praying for the abo- not believe that that bore much on the present hierarchy. lition of Church-rates ; he also presented a petition from A s f ar as his recollection went, when the Test and Cur- Rhode, in the Isle of 'Night ; and a number of p e titions from poration Acts were imposed by the Government, the various places in Yorkshire and Northamptonshire to the bench of Bishops made no opposition at all ; and surely same effect. The Noble Lord then said, that if he presented the Noble Earl might have done some justice to the those petitions under ordinary circumstances, he would have Bish o p s and th e hierarchy of the present day. — ( Hear, hear.) considered it to he his duty to l a y th em on th e t a bl e without The soreness felt by the Dissenters, on account of persecu speaking a syllable in respect to them; an d h e f orme d this tions which had ceased a certain number of years ago, was not opinion because he presumed that when any person presented felt certainly as regarded Church-rates. The Noble Earl a petition, that individual coincid e d generally in its prayer. told their Lordships that the Dissenters would no longer pay It had been his duty to state, however, that notwithstanding Church-rates. Ile begged leave to say he doubted whether the kindness of those who had placed these petitions in his th e Dissenters themselves concurred in the view taken by hands, that it would not be in his power entirely to coincide in th e N o ble Earl of this question.—( Hear, hear.) He their views, and to support their objects; they had neverthe- sus p ec t e d that the Dissenters would disclaim the apology less persisted in the kindness by which they were actuated, ma d e by the Noble Earl for their proceedings. He (the in the first instance, and had requested that he would still be Archbi s h o p) believed that the proceedings of the Dissenters the channel by which they would communicate with their Lord- w ere no t co nfined merely to the abolition of Church-rates. ships' House ; there was therefore no other course left for him to H e h a d seen accounts of many of their meetings, and had pursue, than to present these petitions to their Lordships, who rea d t h e i r r es olutions, and it appeared to him that the dis he was sure would be also of opinion that he had no other senters would not be satisfied with personal exemption from course to pursue in presenting the m , th an to state that he did Church-rates, as long as anything was charged, and they further not coincide in the views of the petitioners.—.( Hear, hear.) carried their arguments to the utmost extent—so far, that they It did appear to him that, if there was any duty morn incum- said they would not be satisfied whilst there remained any dif bent than another on the Legislature, it was that it should take ference between Churchmen and Dissenters. He did not especial care that there should not be a corner of the kingdom k now whether the Noble Earl was speaking his own individual in which the humblest subject of his Majesty should not be able opinions.—(Cries of " No" from Lord Titzwilliam). He to point out some edifice in which he had an interest, and into i mag i ne d from what he had seen in the Newspapers that which he had a right to enter and pay his devotion to his o th ers entertained similar opinions. —( Hear, hear.) Ile Creator._( Hear, hear.) He knew not, and he sought not to regretted to be obliged to trespass on the time of their Lord enquire, what plans were entertained for the purpose of re- ships, but there was one thing to which he begged to call at lieving those who cottscientiously dissented from the Church of t en ti on . Th e Noble Earl complained of the proceedings of the England, from the payment of Church -rates; but these persons Ec c l e siasti c al Commission, and it appeared that the Noble conceived the payment of those rates to be a grievance, and he E ar l w i s h e d t o carry Reform a great deal further. He begged was free to confess that it was not unnatural they should so to differ from the Noble Earl in that respect. As to the diei conceive that tax to be a grievance.—( Hear.) He blamed not sion of dioceses, the proper time for the Noble Earl's speech them, but he could not agree with any plan which, as he had wo uld have been when that subject was before them. He hoped said before, would deprive the meanest subject of his Majesty w h en th e subject was before the House ho would be able satis of the means of being always able to enter an edifice in factorily to convince their Lordships' that the course pursued which he had an interest and to worship his God.—( Hear.) by the Ecclesiastical Commission was correct, and more likely While he said this he feared he must add that much as he ap- to lead to general satisfaction than that recommended by the prehended of this sourness on the part of our Dissenting Noble Earl. brethren was due to the Church of England itself. The Th e Bishop of EXETER said that in regard to the repeal truth must he spoken, and he would speak it boldly, that the of the Test and Corporation Acts, it was not the hierarchy Church of England had not been so tolerant and indulgent w hi c h h a d originally devised them—the Legislature had de towards Dissenters as perhaps they were now beginning to feel vised them, and clung to them for a long period as the best it would have been their interest to have been.—(Cheering.) safeguard of the Protestant Constitution; but the Acts bay- As he stated before, he knew not what plans were in contem- ing been passed it was not to be considered that the hierarchy plation, or by having recourse to what it was intended to sup- were t o b e th e first to advocate their repeal—(Hear, hear,) ply the deficiency that would be created by the abolition of —but w h en the measure for their repeal was brought forward, Church-rates. But it was impossible to conceive that there the hierarchy were found amongst the leading persons to would be any mode of supplying that deficiency, which could second it. And now in regard to a yet earlier period, an Act had have the effect of making the people of England feel that been passed in the House of Commons of the most intolerant they would 'have, as a community, an int ere st in the character, which would also have passed through the House maintenance of these edifices.—(Hear, hear, hear.) As he of Lords, but for the Christian liberality of the Right Re said before, and he spoke it b o ldly i n th e pr esen ce of the 'Trend Prelates who sat there in that period. As to the pro hierarchy of the Church of England, much of the sourness p osa l w hi c h had been thrown out by the Noble Earl, it was which existed in the minds of the Dissenters—much of those not the first time that it had been made, and he considered feelings by which he feared they were actuated towards the that the Noble Earl had taken the idea from a pamphlet Church of England —was due to the Church itself.—( Hear.) respecting which it had been remarked, that if the He trusted the Chur c h wou ld no t rue its f ormer conduct, but proposal it contained were carried into effect, the result it was i m p oss ibl e f or th e Di ssenters not to reco ll ect, t h at so would he, that every Church would be converted to a thcolo long as there remained a chance of maintaining those gical Noah's ark ; and he would now ask, what would be the exclusive l aws by w hi c h our Di ssen ti ng breth r e n were results to the cause of religion, if the same person could excluded from the full enjoyment of the civil privileges hear, in the very same church, a Trinitarian clergyman and rights of their fellow-countrymen, the hierarchy of in the morning, and a Unitarian in the evening ; or a the Church of England did not join with those who Cl erg y man o f the Church of England in the morning sought to r e li eve Di sse nting congregations from the and a Baptist in the evening ? He would now say in stigma under which they so long laboured, and those respec t t o th e censure passed by the Noble Lord on the disabilities under w hi c h they could sca rce ly be said Ecclesiastical Commission, that he had heard it with satis to enjoy the rights of Englishmen. On the contrary, they faction mingled with regret ' • but when that question was exa stood up to the very last in the gap, an d en d eavoure d to pre- mined, it would be found ' that they were nearly right. vent our Dissenting brethren from participating in the enjoy- Upon all questions of that sort there were different opinions, ment of those privileges to whi c h a ll t h e i r f e ll ow subject s were and the object should be in discussing them not to give offence entitled. He never could, however, consent to any measure the to an y party. The time would come when it would be proper possible effect of which could be that a single individual of the to en t er fully upon the subject ; but thus much he would say__ humblest class in the remotest corner of England should be en t e rtaining, as he did, the sincerest respect for the character unable to say in regard to the Church of the parish in which o f th e Noble Lord, he must offer his respectful remonstrance to he lived, that he had a right to go in there to worship Cod, th e course of proceeding adopted by the Noble Lord, and that on th e p ro p r i e t ors o f th e l an d h e had a right to who had come down to the House and delivered himself call for its mainte n a nce . It wou ld app ear th a t th e hierarchy a t considerable length, and with much force, when he should of England w o uld hav e been wis e r, it th e y h a d half a century have waited for the opportunity when the subject was before ago undertaken these measures of change in the ecclesiastical t h e H ouse , and when they would be better prepared to an arrangements of this country, which were at that time ob- swer it. Ile did not think it proper to say a word more viously necessary. He trusted, however, that those who were on th e s u bj e ct. He trusted he had not offended the now at the head of the hierarchy, wou ld b e w i ser th an their Noble Lord ; but when a general imputation was made upon predecessors. He did not know that he should have another t h e b o dy o f whi c h he was an unworthy Member, he had felt it opportunity of addressing their Lordships upon this subject, r i g h t t o reca ll t o th e Noble Lord circumstances which he and he hoped that he would be allowed to express one or two ` should not have forgotten. observations which had been forced upon his mind in consi- . Viscount MELBOURNE—His Noble Friend had acted daring this questi o n in all its bearings. In the first with the fairness of character which had always distinguished place, it could not be denied by any man attached him in alluding to a petition on the subject of Church-rates, to the Church of England—by any man who was desir- i n w hi c h the petitioners had most prudently and wisely ex one of seeing that Ch urc h more d ee ply roo t e d i n th e affec- pressed their determination to comply with that tax. lie en tions of the people—that great changes were neces- tirely agreed with his Noble Friend that in every parish there sary. A great attempt, indeed, at change had been made, at should be an edifice connected with the Established religion, something which its authors were pleased to call Reform, in a to which all classes and sects of his Majesty's subjects should measure which, h e cou ld not h e l p saying, was most opposite have free and unrestricted access. He agreed in the principle laid in its nature to the name by w hi c h it was designated.— down by his Noble Friend, and he begged to say, although it ( Hear.) It was b roug h t f orwar d by th ose aho called was not his intention to go into any details upon a matter which themselves at once Reformers and Conservatives. But wou ld s h or tly c o me under their consideration—he would say in point of fact, that measure was neither Ref o r m i ng n or Con- on the part of his Majesty's sorrows, that it was not their servative. It w as no t a R e f orm i ng meas ure , becaus e it had re- intention to introduce into Parliament any plan which moved nothing which called for immediate correction. It was wou ld n o t provide for this tax in a better, more not Conservatism, because it made useless and unnecessary prudent, more satisfactory, manner, and which would changes. If he might presume—and he did it with great de- be less liable to insecurity and irritation, than was the state of ference—to express an opinion on the subject, he should say , the law upon the subject at present. He believed that the that they ought to have undertak en th e task i n a far bolder man- plan which his Majesty's servants had to propose would mi ner. They ought t o h ave g one th r o ug h with the deter- swer all the objects of his Noble Friend, and would; mination of placing the ecclesiastical functions of this at the same time, avoid all those evils and inconveniences country upon such a footing, th a t i n eac h diocese it which were admitted on all hands to belong to the present state would have been possible for the head of it well of the law, and to the mode of its administration. With respect to and perfectly to superintend the whole clergy of that diocese. the allusion of his Noble Friend to the intolerance' of But what had been dem: ? He would refer to those parts with o th er times, these were matters which belonged to his_ which he was personally acquainted. He would look to the great t or y ; and however instructive the discussion of th em diocese of York, which he took to be a complete anomaly which mi g ht be, they had but little bearing upon the subject o f ought to be altered. It was held by the Archbishop of that p e titi o n s , or the question to which his Noble. Friend, i n see, as also the Right R everen d P re l a t e a t th e head of the presenting those several petitions, had directly referred. Church—they hail each a diocese of their own, within their He also felt himself relieved from saying any thing in defence archbishopric. Look at the s it u ati on i n w hi c h th a t diocese of the Commission, by what had been said by the was placed. It remained of a magnitud e a n d extent, that it Rieht Reverend Prelate. His Noble Friend, who spoke first, was almost impo ss ibl e f or any man, however great the ener- had said that they had altered too much and too little —that gies of his mi n d, or th e s tr eng th of his body—he defied they had made alterations with a disregard to all principles— any man to superintend properly the diocese of York, as that they had broken in upon the fabric of the Church, and at the it at present remained.—( Hear, hear, hear.) He gave seine t i me t h ose alterations were useless, and for no good pur these as samples of the whole scheme, which appeared to pose. If they had done so they had very ill executed the him, h e was sorry t o say, neither Reforming or Conservative. purposes they intended. His own intentions were to propose it had changed much, but r e f orme d littl e ; because, if he un- to t h e H ouse suc h alterations and changes as should preserve derstood th e meaning of Reform, it was for a beneficial oh- t h e c h aracter o f t h e E s tablished Church, such as it had been ject. But here it was without any beneficial result. If there es t a bli s h e d i n thi s country for many generations,—that charac were any beneficial result it was so trifling that it was not worth t er w hi c h h e b e li eve d had been highly beneficial, and that eh_ speaking o f, an d no advantae whatever had been derived racter to which the country' ha d b een accustome d and attached, from it.—( H ear , h ear, h ear. ) Th e H ouse nright perhaps and which, in his opinion, ought not to be lightly altered —at the think that he was i n d u l g i ng i n di gress i ons f rom the imme- same time preserving that character, it had been their objett Mate object before the House, which was that he should lay to propose such measures as would increase that efficiency, and before them the p e titi ons h e had so presente d , pr a yi ng for the enable it to accomplish all those ends for which it had been abolition of Church-rates. If h e h a d i n d u l ge d i n a n y digres- established.—( Hear.) For this they had been attacked upon sien, he hail done so as th e organ o f th ose w h o h a d confided different grounds and on different sides. On one side they those petitions to his hands, b u t h e b egge d it t o be understood had been told that they had been acting with the recklessness that he could nut sanction by his vote any measure which o f a W e t T y l er an d a Jack Straw ; and on the other side should contemplate the hare possibility of there being any w ith a ti m idity an d hesitation that was perfectly contemp human being in the country who should see his Church tible, and unsuited t o the character of the times.—( Hear.) dilapidated, and not have the power of preventing that On the one side they had been told that there was nothing but dilapidation. (Hear, hear.) He would say more ; et- a set of lay and ministerial discontents, who quite overpowered Cached as he was to the Church of England, he thought the Right Rev. Prelates, and prevented their protecting the that there was nothing wou ld a dd more to the honour Church ; on the other hand, they were told there were a set of that Church, not only th a t it s h ou ld s t r ip its e lf of every of artful, rapacious Churchmen, who did with them ex semblance of intolerance, but every symptom of jealousy of actly what they pleased. Considering the variety of th ose any other sect. Though I canno t eensent—continued the accusation s — cons id er i n g their inconsistency with one Noble Earl —to believe those whet ~may Pay- another—he could not help coming to the very their feelings, as a member of the "- ment of these rates is attended with so 'e grievance ur on same conclusion with the Right Reverend Prelate think that the should rejoice to see that day come i u n re c i t ' lli t Ch c hers of the Church of England and the DissEtehnnet'el;sn,dtol .who had spoken that evening, that when these propositions whatever congregation they might belong, should ' :ger:: semething of the just medium, and to have proposed that I came to be considered, Ministers would be found to have hit together to worship their Cod within the same walls. - -as the fittest to execute the great objects for Whenever that time. will come — whenever the hierarchy and which e. " , emission was appointed.—( Hear, hear.) the clergy of the Church of England will say to the Di.saent- which that ' --Sure his Noble Friend that he agreed In conclusion, he couto in the main principle o f his p:.:ition, and that their object TB __ E SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 22, in; ministers, in their respective parishes, that they will be tierinitted to Ootth;p ti .;ir nod; their Hors, And witilin . Ilia' walls (of course 1 do nut mean at the same tithe), th6n I will say that the Church of England will have gained that title to toleration which she has so long appro pri-Ited to herself, but in my Opiniop rhoSt mi§tal i tenly.--( Hear. There it drioth . o OW 4410 wfts to secure that principle—and to see it succeed would be a gotqce great oratification to them. Loft' VIT/Wit.LiAM made a few ohgervations in explanation, which were innudiiik. The Bills on their Lordships' table were forwarded a stag:6. Earl. SEI A FTESBURY brought up the Report of the C:!ltiardttee siitli aniendtitertts on the Grand Juries (Ireland) The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FEBRU ARr 21. The SPEAKER took the Chair a few minutes before four o'clock, when Mr. HARCOURT was introduced by the Marquis of Chandos and another Hon. Msmbcr, and took the oaths and his scat for Buckinghamshire, in the room of J. l'raed, Esq., deceased. Mr. PowEa was introduced by Mr. R. M. Pellew and Mr. N. Balls, and took the oaths and his seat for Dungarvon, in the room of Mr. O'Loughlin, now Master of the Rolls in Ireland. DISTRESS IN SCOTLAND. Major CUMMING BRUCE wished to know from the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Home Department, or from the Under Secretary, whether he had received any communica tions from Scotland, relative to the distress existing in the Highlands -and Islands of that country. In January last he (Major Bruce) attended a meeting at Edinburgh on this sub ject. Distress was then stated to prevail, and this morning he had received from a member of the Committee the most alarming accounts of the extent to which it had reached ; and it was said the inhabitants in some districts were in a state of almost absolute starvation. He wished to know, therefore, if any communication had been received at the Home Office on the subject ; and whether the Govern ment was willing, as it certainly was able, to afford relief? Mr. F. AI A ULE replied that the attention of Government had been directed to the subject ; and as it was understood that distress really existed, they would be prepared to meet the question when it came before them. An HON. MEMBER begged to know why Pegworth, the murderer, had not been executed ; but no reply was given to tho question. SWANSEA WATER-WORKS. Mr. E. DENISON brought up the report of the Corn inittee on this Bill, stating that the Standing Orders had been complied with. _ _ LEICESTER SMALL DEBTS. The Report of the Committee on this Bill was brought up, and leave given to bring in the 13ill. BRItiLITON, LEWES, AND NEWHAVEN RAILWAY. Mr. A LSTON moved the second reading of this Bill. Mr. BAGSIIAW moved that it be read a second time this day six months. The SPEAKER said that he thought the better course to adopt would be to postpone the second reading of the Bill for the present, there being no less than three different lines, for the purpose of affording an opportunity fur the presenta tion of petitions on the subject, by which the House might be guided as to the line it would adopt. Captain PE CHE LL presented a petition from the inhabi tants of Brighton, signed by no less than 7,000 persons, in favour of the Bill, of which the Hon. Member for Hartford had moved the second reading. He could assure the House that this question had excited more interest in the town of Brighton than the Reform Bill itself.—( Cheers and laughter.) lion. Members might laugh, but such was the fact. The inhabi tants of Brighton had been unanimous in their feelings on this subject ; for when the Bill was in danger last Session, a peti tion, signed by no less than 4,000 persons, was presented in its favour, and that was followed up when the Bill got into the House of Lords by petitions, signed by 5,000 persons. The SPEAKER suggested, that as the Hon. Member would hare another opportunity of stating his opinions with respect to the petition, the better course would be to reserve any observations he had to make until that Feriod. Captain PE CHE LL would only trouble the House with the prayer of the petition, which was in favour of the direct line of railway from London to Brighton. Mr. WIGNE Y supported the prayer of the petition. An 110 K. MEMBER presented a petition from Lewes against the South Eastern Line; also petitions from Tunbridge and its neighbourhood, East Peckham, and other places, in favour of the South Eastern Line. Mr. C URTE IS presented petitions praying for a terming. tion at Newhaven. The SPEAKER, as we understood, stiggested to the House, whether it would not be better for lion. Members to present the petitions that might be entrusted to them upon the different lines of Railway without any observations, and allude to them when the discussion took place upon the second read ing of the different Railway Bills. Lord G. SOMERSET presented a petition, signed by 1,400 respectable inhabitants of Brighton, praying the House to take into its consideration the various lines of railway be tween London and Brighton, without reference to any other consideration than a desire to promote the general good, and to adopt that project only which had that object in view. NORTH MIDLAND RAILWAY. Mr. HARDY presented a petition from an individual against tho North Midland Railway Bill. MANCHESTER AND CHESHIRE RAILWAY. An floN. Mumma presented petitions in favour of the Manchester and Cheshire Junction Railway, and against the South Union Railway Bill. Mr. 11 AWES presented a petition against the Deptford and Greenwich Railway Bill. Mr. PR AED brought in the Charlton Road Bill, which way read a first time. Mr. Alderman WOOD brought up the Clarence Railway Bill, which was read a first time. RAILWAY PETITIONS. Mr. WA RBURTON said he had been entrusted with two petitions, which very seriously involved the privileges of the House, inasmuch as they proved, if correct, a gross breach of the Standing Orders ; they also affected the conduct of certain Members of the House, who had either more or less connected themselves with the Joint Stock Company to which they re lated. He proposed then merely to move that the petitions be read—that they be printed along with the votes of the House, and he would then, either to-morrow or the day after, call the further attention of the House to the charges which they con tained. The Hon. Member then proceeded to read the peti tion, from the agent of the Kent and Dover Railway, when The SPEAKER inquired whether the Hon. Member had given notice of his intention to those whose character or con duct it called in question ? Mr. WA RBU'RTON said the petitions had only been put in his hands a few minutes ago, but he was informed that one of the llon. Members whom it affected was informed that some such petition was in preparation. If there were the least impropriety, or objection to the petitions being now read, he would content himself with moving that they be printed. Sir E. KNATCHI3ULI, said, that although the railway ran through the County ehich he represented, he did not know anything whatever of the circumstances of the case alluded to by the Hon. Member for Bridport. He put it to the Hon. Member whether he ought not, previous to moving that the petition be read, to have given notice that he was about to present it. He would suggest to the Hon. Mem her, whether, when he was about to present a petition, containing, as the Honourable Member himself admitted, strong charges, and which might produce a strong impression,. he ought not, previous to the petition being read, to give those whom it affected an opportunity of rebutting or explaining the statements which it might contain ? In justice to all parties he submitted to the Hon. Member for Bridport the propriety of adopting this course, as nothing was so unfair as reading a petition which affected the private character of a Member of that House, without giving him at the same time an opportunity of setting himself right in the opinion of the House and the country at large.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. ROEBUCK suggested that Members ought to be put in possession of the circumstances contained in the petition, as they would be by that means better able to understand the case which was about to be submitted to them. They might as well order the petition to he printed, as it could be a matter of very little difference whether the circumstances were made public twenty-four hours sooner or later. Sir R. INGLIS suggested that they ought to adopt the course pointed out by the Speaker, when the Right Hon. Gentleman inquired whether the men whose character was understood to be affected by the petition had received any notice that the petition was to be presented. It would only make a difference of eight and forty hours ; and surely when the character of a Member of that (louse was concerned, such a consideration as this ought not to stand in the way of their doing justice. Mr. WARBU RT 0 N had no desire that the petition should be read—he only desired that it should be printed, as until it was printed it was impossible that it could be fairly proceeded with. Sir JOI1N•BE C KETT said that it would be irregular to order a petition to be printed before it was read.—( Hear.) Mr. FINN said that as there were allegations in the peti tion affecting the character of Members of that House, it was only fair that they should have an opportunity of justifying themselves. The bane and the antidote ought to go forth to gether. - L. 1,1 i Mr. W. DUNCOMBE 'Acing/it there was only one course to pursue, which was that the llon. Member should defer presenting the petition till to-morrow, or the day after, in order to give an opportunity to those members named in the petition of vindicating their conduct. Mr. WA KLE Y thought if Members discharged their duty independently and honestly, they would pursue the same course with regard to themselves as they did to others. If the parties whose conduct was impugned by the petition were really guilty of the offence, why, he would ask, should they be spared out of delicacy because they happened to be Members of that House? If they were not guilty, they would have an opportunity of refuting the charges made against them ; but unless the petition was read anti printed, the House could not be in a condition to discuss the subject. Sir CHARLES BURRELL• thought that parties who were charged by the petition, ought to have notice of those charges before they were brought forward. Mr. HAVES considered that the statements of the lion. Member for 13ridport had been completely lost sight of. In his opinion, the , petition ought to b e pr i nte d at once. Mr. ROBINSON would suggest to the Hon. Member whether it would not be better to bring the matter before the House on Thursday, should there he no House to-morrow. Ile thought this consideration outweighed all others—namely, that the Members whose characters were said to be affected by the petition ought to have due notice of it. Mr. WARBURTON would take care that copies of the petition were sent to the Hon. Members whose names appeared in the list of Directors, and then if there was a House to-mor row, he should feel himself at liberty to go fully into the merits of the case. CHURCH RATES. Sir R. INGLIS presented petitions from places in Devon shire and Essex against the abolition of Church-rates. Petitions were presented by Mr. Curteis, by Mr. Wason, by Sergeant Talfourd, by Mr. Potter, by Sir J. Y. Buller, by Mr. Wallace, by Mr. Vernon Smith, by Mr. Pease--and by Mr. Wigncy, signed by 4,000 of the inhabitants of 13righ:on —all praying for the total abolition of Church-rates. Sir E. KNATC ['BULL presented a petition from a pa rish in Kent, with a contrary prayer. . MUNICIPAL, REFORM.—IRELAND. ' Colonel BUTLER presented petitions from the parish cf Lisdowncy, and another place in the counts of Kilkenny, praying for a measure of Municipal Reform for Ireland, similar to that now enjoyed by England and Scotland. Mr. O'CONNELL presented thirty-six petitions from dif ferent places in Ireland, with a si►uilar prayer. Mr. BODKIN presented petitions, most numerously and respectably signed, from the town of Tuam ; from the parish of St. Nicholas, in the county of the town of Galway ; from the parishes of Bellclare, Moycullen, Kilcummin, Clare Galway, Annadown, Adieus - , and from the parish of Baboon, in tim county of the town of Galway ; all praying for a measure of Municipal Reform for Ireland, on the same principle as that already extended to England and- Scotland. Mr. W. ROCHE Presented a petition from the city of Limerick, t? the same effect. LOrd CLRMENT I ,;,csented petitions f rom p a r site: in the eotility of (Leitrim, wtth a similar prt:„_" - .r. Siittilar petitions were presented by Mr. FINN, from eleven parishes in tht etntrity of Kilkenny) by Mr. FiTzsimorf, from pitighei itt fire Coirrity of Dublin ; by Mr. MosoAn O'Coft- NELL, irotti p j aecs in the County of Meath ; by Mr: from several parishcS In the t'otraty of Cork ;, and sit petitions ( by Mr. OTWAY CAVE, from the altllty•df Tipperary. CHURCH-RATES. Mr. WILKS presented petitions from Somertoytti f Fever sham, and a place in Cambridgeshire, praying for the tote abolition of Church-rates. Mr. GI LLON presented petitions from Stirling, Lanark, and two other places, to the same effect. Lord G BENTINCK presented two petitions in support of the Church-rate system. Major BE AUCLERK presented petitions from two places in Surrey, praying for the total abolition of Church-rates. Sir E. K NATCH BIM L presented a petition from a place in Kent against the Poor-laws' Amendment Act. BRIGHTON RAILWAY. Lord• GEORGE LENNOX moved the second reading of the London, Brighton, and Shoreham Railway. Mr. C URTE IS begged to ask whether all of the Bills be fore the House were to be read a second time pro tanto. If so, all opposition on his part would cease. Mr. WILKS said that, considering the state of the pub lic business in that 'House, he trusted that the promoters of these Bills would agree, and allow them all to be read a se cond time without having three divisions, which would only prove a great waste of time. Lord G. LENNOX would only say that if the divisions were pressed, he would vote for the second reading of all the Bills. Mr. BAGSH A W thought that these Railways would do much injury to the country ; however, as the sense of the House was against him, he would give them no farther opposition there. Captain PEC HELL said, though he would not divide the House, it was incumbent upon him to state to the House what was the opinion—the almost unanimous opinion of the people of Brighton. It was unanimously against the line, the second reading of which bad now been moved. Let them only change the line to. Shoreham or any other place, .and all op position on his part would cease. The petition which ho had presented that evening containing 7,000 signatures in favour of Rennie's line, proved what the opinion of the people of Brighton was. Mr. WIGNEY concurred in all that had fallen from his Hon. and Gallant Colleague. He trusted that the House would see that it was of the utmost importance to the people of Brighton, that their sentiments should be known with re spect to each line of railway. Ile hoped that the petition of the people of Brighton, containing, as it did, seven thousand signatures, would receive due consideration. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed. The London and Brighton (Rennie's) Line of Railway was also read a second time, as was also the Brighton, Lewes, and Newhaven Railway Bill. Mr. WIGNEY presented a petition in favour of Rennie's line of Rail Way, from Hurstperpoint, in the county of Sussex. Mr. GIL LON presented a petition, praying the House not to pass any'of the Bills for making a Railway from Lon don to Brighton. MISSING WHALERS. Sir ROBERT PEEL held in his hand a petition which he had been requested to present, in the prayer of which he en tirely concurred. The petition was of a singular nature; and although the rules of that House prevented discussion on the presentation of petitions in ordinary cases, he was sure when he stated the object of this petition, that the House would be satisfied that in the present instance he could not altogether comply with the rules of the House. The peti tion was from Dundee, and was signed by upwards of a thousand inhabitants of that town relative to the case of six vessels that were beset, in the ice in Davis' Straits, and praying that the House would take the subject into its consi deration, and that it would grant a sufficient sum of money to pay the expense of vessels going out to their rescue. The petition stated that a communication had been made to his Majesty's Government, but that the pe titioners had not received that encouragement from them which they thought they were entitled to. Of this the Right Hon. Baronet was perfectly certain, that no consideration of pecu niary expense would prevent the House of Commons from sanctioning any charge which it might be absolutely necessary to incur where it was possible effectually to interfere. He earnestly recommended the consideration of this petition to his Majesty's Government. He apprehended that the Go vernment was more competent to judge of the advantages of an immediate interference than the House of Commons ; and, in referring the matter to their consideration, he could only repeat the assurance that if they thought it possible to inter fere with advantage, the House of Commons would sanction any expense that might be incurred. The SPEAKER suggested whether the petition was not irregular in asking for a grant of money. . Sir R. PE E L thought not. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was sure that any irregularity on a question of this description would be overlooked by the House. He was ready to admit on the part of the Government that no question of money could for a single moment stand in the way—nor had it. There had been another question under discussion, and if the Right Hon. Bart. wished for,information relative to that, if be would move for the papers they should immediately be laid on the table of the House.—( Hear.) The question under discussion was not one of money, but whether there was a case in which the exertions of the Government could be usefully made. It would be nonsense to call upon the House to be making continual grants of money for this purpose. If parties went long and dangerous voyages without taking proper precau tionary measures, under the supposition that if they met with any difficulties, the interposition of the House would be had in their behalf, he would take the liberty of suggesting to the Right Hon. Baronet that the presentation of a pe tition praying for any money vote was unnecessary, because the Government would take any pecuniary risk upon themselves, if a case was made out for their interference. The r petition, however, involved further questions, because it com plained of the Government not interposing with more readi ness. If that case was made out, he admitted that it was a charge of a most serious nature upon the Government. If the Right Hon. Baronet, or any other Hon. Member, would call for the papers, he should be ready on their produc tion to go into the whole question. He was quite sure that, under the circumstances, if a Minister of the Crown felt it necessary to draw upon the public funds for the purposes of humanity and benevolence, he would not run a very great risk of being censured by the House.—( Hear, hear.) How .ever, he thought the House and the public would see that his Majesty's Government had acted with:a sound discretion. Sir ROBERT PEEL thought it of so much importance that the rules should be adhered to, which prevented the pre sentation of petitions for public moneys, without the consent of a Minister of the Crown, that he would not then press the petition. He thought that, on the double ground of satis fying the sympathies of the House and of establishing a principle, there was some reason for laying the papers before the House ; and as he had understood the Right Hon. Gentleman to say, that no consideration of economy should prevent a fair discus sion of the question, he should take an early opportunity of moving for the production of the papers. CHURCH RATES. Mr. GLADSTONE wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether he meant to bring forward the measure relative to Church-rates early on Thursday evening? Mr. SPRING RICE said there was a notice in the book of his Noble Friend the Secretary of State for the Home De partment, which stood high in the list; but he belie‘ed that would not be an obstruction to his mo ti on coming on early. hart also communicated with other Gentlemen whose notices stood before his, and they had all, in considera tion of the extreme importance of the question he was to introduce on Thursday given way to him ; therefore he felt every confidence that he should be able to bring the question forward at an early hour on Thursday next.---( Hear.) BANK OF IRELAND. Mr. O'CONNELL said the Charter ofthe Bank of Ire land expired next month, and no proceedings had hitherto been taken with respect to its renewal. He had therefore been in structed by his constituents to ask the Right Hon. the Chan cellor of the Exchequer, whether it was ,his intention to bring forward any measure relating to the Bank of. Ireland? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Hon. and Learned Member was aware that a Committee had been appointed a few days ago to inquire into the nature and operation of the Joint Stock Banking Companies, and as that inquiry was extended to Ireland, he was not disposed to take any step, until they fairly ascertained upon what principle those Joint Stock Banks were conducted, especially as the principal portion of the business in Ireland was divided between the Bank of Ireland and the Joint Stock Banks. The decision to which the Government would come respecting the renewal of the Bank of Ireland Charter would, in a great measure, de pend upon the result of the inquiry before the Committee. Mr. HAVES wished to know from his Right lion. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer, what was the intention of his Majesty's Ministers respecting the building of the new Houses of Parliament. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his Noble Friend at the head of the Woods and Forests depart ment was inclined to follow the recommendation of the Select Committer of last year.—( Hear.) According to that recommendation, the plans were put into the hands of Mr. Barry, for the purpose of making out a detailed estimate of the expense which, when furnished, was intended to be sub mitted to a competent authority, for further investigation. That investigation was now going forward, and as soon as it was completed, the result would be communicated to the House MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS' (IRELAND). — ADJOURNED DEBATE. The Order of the Day for the adjourned debate on the Mu nicipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill having been read, Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN and Mr. JACKSON rose to follgr. There were calls for both the Hon. Members, wtit remained /needing, each claiming the right to be heard, whet The SPEAKER intimated that the Hon. Member win had moved the adjournment, was in possession of the House Cries of Mr. " Brotherton, Mr. Brotherton," ancf Brea laughter.) The Hon.' MEMBER for Salford having declined to rise, till Speaker called upon Mr. Serjeent JACKSON, who claimed the indulgence 01 the House for a short time, inasmuch as much allusion had becii made to him by the Noble Lord, (Morpeth), wbt had spoken at a late hoer on the previous night, as made it incumbent upon him to present 'himself at the earliest possible period, to justify himself in regard to those statements, and to vindicate those with whom he had acted. In the former debate he had taken no vOluntary part, but he lied been compelled to rise in consequence of the course taken by the Nebie Lord opposite, who challenged those who hac taken part hi the proceedings of the Protestant meeting a' Dublin to justify the resolutions, especially the 14th, which that meeting bad considered it its duty to pass. The Nobb Lord had also defied the opposition Members to impugn tht policy and proceedings of the Irish Government, declaring, the same time, that he identified himself completely with the wliole of the policy and conduct of the Irish Executive. It was in answer to this challenge that he (Mr. Sergeant Jack son) had risen. As one who had taken part in the proceed ings of the Protestant meeting in Dublin, he felt it to be a duty to himself and his Protestant brethren in Ireland to conic forward and , state to the House the grounda on which tht meeting had adopted the resolutions in question.—( Hear hear.) The House would recollect under what circum stances it was that lie and those with whom he acted had been called upon to make these statements. The House woulc recollect that it was not until Thursday evening that the Noble Lord gave them notice of his intention to move the first reading of the Irish Municipal Bill on the Tuesday following, and to avail himself of that opportunity to defend the Irish Government, and to impugn the proceed ings of the Dublin Protestant meeting. With so short a notice it was utterly impossible for gentlemen connected with that meeting to procure from Dublin those details and facts upon which the resolutions of the meeting had been founded in time for the debate of Tuesday evening, and consequently he and the Gentlemen on his side of the House were under the necessity of confining themselves to such facts only -as they had come prepared with, and had a general and habitual know ledge of.—( Hear.) He had on a former occasion, oil behalf of the Protestants of Ireland, charged the Executive Govern ment of Ireland with misusing its powers, and with abusing to a flagrant extent its prerogative of mercy, and that charge ho was prepared to repeat without the slightest modification. — (Opposition cheers.) In support of those charges he had detailed the most convincing_ facts, and he would appeal to the sound judgment of the House and of the country whether any one single fact which he had stated had been successfully impugned or disproved by the Noble Secretary for Ireland, or any other Noble or Honourable Member who had addressed the House from the opposite benches.—(Opposition cheers.) Had the Noble Lord attempted to deny the prominent charge against the Lord Lieutenant, that he had appointed to the most confidential and responsible situation under the Irish Government, a gentleman who, however respectable and amiable and talented he undoubtedly was, was a member of the illegal body calling itself the National Association of Ireland 2--(Loud cheers from the Opposition.) That promi nent feature in the impeachment of the Government of Ireland it had not been attempted to controvert.—( Renewed cheers.) Was it denied that Mr. Cassidy, though convicted of a riotous resistance to the payment of county-rates, was appointed by the Lord-Lieutenant a Magistrate of Queen's county.-- (Hear, hear.) No ; the fact had been denied in no quarter except in a certain newspaper. Another charge which he bad then brought against the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland, which charge he would now repeat, was, that the Lord Lieutenant had been guilty of wholesale abuse of the prerogative of mercy vested in him, by releasing prisoners charged with all sorts of offences from the gaols in every part of the country. Had that fact been disputed? The attempt made last night by the Noble Lord opposite to show that the prerogative had not been improperly exercised in one or two cases, and that the Lord-Lieutenant had condescended to consult with some one judge or chairman of quarter sessions in one or two ont of numberless instances, was no answer to the general charge made on such unquestionable grounds against the Lord-Lieu tenant as to his wholesome abuse of the prerogative. As to the case of Macnamara, the Noble Lord had not .con descended to say a word about it. In short, the speech of the Noble Secretary for Ireland, able and ingenious as it was, and he (Mr. Sergeant Jackson) must admit to be one of the best speeches he had ever heard made in a bad cause, had not in the slightest degree displaced the facts or weakened the charge which he (Mr. Sergeant Jackson) had brought ferward.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord, on the preceding evening, had stated that previous to the liberation of Maguire from Cavan gaol, the Lord-Lieutenant consulted the Judge who tried the case, and out of this circumstance arose an aggravation of the Lord-Lieutenant's offence, for the Noble Lord admitted that the Learned Judgo declared the case to be one which did not call for the Lord-Lieutenant's merciful interposition.—( Opposition cheers.) Yet, notwith standing this, in the very teeth of the Judge, was the sen tence of the prisoner, though convicted of attempting to shout a revenue officer, first changed from transportation for seven years into imprisonment for two, and afterwards altogether remitted, and the man set at liberty; the only " justification !' set up by the Noble Lord opposite being, that magistrates of all parties concurred in recommending a mitigation of the sentence; the Noble Lord adding, that the shot was fired by the prisoner out of mere bravado, although a jury of his countrymen had convicted him of having fired it with a ma licious intent.—( Hear, hear.) Nothing could be more ir regular or unconstitutional, than this practice of superseding the verdict of a jury. This statement of the Noble Lord could not, therefore, be regarded in any other light than as an idle story. He had been accused in unmeasured terms of having maligned and slandered Mr. Pigott and Mr. Tighe. It had been represented that he spoke of Mr. Tighe as " person of the name of Tighe," but he could refer to the report in a Ministerial paper to show that his expression was " a gentle man of the name of Tighe :" and in reference to Mr. Pi gott, he had not said any thing discreditable to that gentle man. The imputation that he had spoken disrespectfully of Lady Mulgrave he indignantly repudiated • he had evert con sidered her a lady most amiable and excellent, and in every instance actuated by the best and most benevolent motives. It was stated by the Noble Secretary for Ireland that Ma guire was discharged from gaol in consequence of the certifi cate of the gaoler, sub-gaoler, and local inspector, that if he remained in prison they could not answer for his life ; but how was it, if such were the real ground for his release, that the certificate of the medical officer of the gaol was not pro duced ? Whose certificate so proper to refer to on such a point if there were such a certificate ?—(Renewed Opposition cheers.) The Noble Secretary pleaded that. in the case Of Magrath the Lord Lieutenant had not consulted a Judge on the subject, for the reason that the case was tried at the: Quarter Sessions. The fact was, that the case 'was tried on the home - circuit, before the Lord Chief Justice—(Loud Op position c h eers ) and this fact the Lord Lieutenant might readily have ascertained.—( Hear, hear.) It was said, more over, that the jurors by whom the case was decided had presented a memorial to the Loki Lieutenant recommend ing the prisoner to mercy, and that upon this memorial ' the Lord-Lieutenant acted. Now he ( Mr. Sergeant Jackson), happened to know that these jurors entirely disavowed hav ing put their signatures to that memorial.—(Opposition cheers.) He considered the principle of the Government' receiving memorials from juries liable to objection. The juror who in I re l an d re f use d t o s i gn a memor i a l t o th e Lord-Lieu- tenant in favour of an offender would peril his own life, and_ perhaps the lives of his family.--( Cries of " Oh, oh.") The Noble Lord last night read a letter from a Mr. Tickell, which imputed to him having said that on the first trial the offender escaped because a person involved in the murder, was impannelled on the jury. He said no such thing. What, he did say was, that a pertoa who had taken an active, part in challenging the jury had been sworn on the jury. He stated further, that on the second trial a person who had, been convicted of an offence against the peace of the country was sworn on the jury, and, as everybody had anticipatee!? no verdict was delivered on that occasion. Whether instructions had been given on the first trial to wave the prerogative 0 1 , putting by jurors he could not say, but it was certain that on the second trial such instructions were given. He was posed to the packing of juries under any circumstances ; but, above all, he thought it dangerous for parties charged with, offences to have the opportu'nity of packing them; and the return he had moved for would give the particulars in those instances in which the Lord-Lieutenant had exercised the power of releasing offenders from gaol; it would show the number so discharged, the offences of which they were con victed, the time of their sentence, and the duration of their imprisonment. To some of these cases he begged to advert. One was that of an individual who had been employed in the service of a master in Ireland. And, by the way, for offenders against the revenue laws the Lord- Lieutenant had less commiseration than for those of other classes, The 7th and Bth of Geo. IV. c. si, s. 46, enacted with respect to persons convicted of having malicously proceeded to malt corn for the purpose of inflicting on their employers the severe pe nalty of the law, that they should be imprisoned for not less than three months nor more than twelve, that they should b° - kept to hard labour, and that they should not under any Pre' tence nor by any authority or order be discharged from prison till the expiration of their full term of imprisonment. Ho did not mean to say that the Act deprived the Crown of the ex ercise of its prerogative, but he would say that it afforded evidence of the way in which the Legislature estimated the offence. This, then, illustrated the impropriety 'of his cellency discharging prisoners in the way he had done'. r ° would refer to another case of what he considered the "ll proper exercise of the prerogative of the Crown. Mr. Lac!' rence Carew Smith was appointed a stipendiary magistrate 0 Ireland. lie was a m em b er o f t h e N at i ona l A ssoc iation . It had been shown that the Executive Government and 'h i ! association were identified by the selection from the ac tive members of the association of persons to take ew e " under the Government. The gentleman to whom he had 1.61 ' for rod had fill e d t h e c h a i r at a meeting of Roman Catholics' in short, he was a conspicuous member of the Association; . He consider e d the Association illegal. He would call 4 , 6 conspiracy to f rus t rate t h e l aws o f the land, and defeat t • acts of indi v id ua ls.----( Hear.) Mr. L. C. Smith presided the ch a i rman o f t h e D u l ee k petty sess i ons. The H o n. eli te Learned G en tl eman h ere gave a narrat i ve o f t h e ciretinl:i stances under which a man of the name of 'Crews charg," Mr. Smith, mho was one of th e e l ect i on C omm i t t e e of A'`.. 1. ( 1 ba 11. Grattan, with having d es i re d hi m to b urn the hagg ai d - of a man named Slid, of Lawrence-town, because he