The Sun. — London, England, 1837-05-09 00:00:00

SPA IN. SAN SEBASTIAN, APral. 27.—This harbour and town have been in a constant state of bustle and activity since my last. The British man-of,Aar steamers have been aniviug full of troop from Portugalete, anti departing for the same place iii odor to bring more ; and even the F.-ouch armed steam-ve.ssel the• 111e/core assiste..! in these op rations: ehc has b'scugLt round a batt.alion. The whole of the steamers, inclu iing his lijesty's ship Seticutaiider, s‘hicharrived )estcrday from England, are gone again to Purtagalete, and be here t o -morrow:—weather permitti a fe,v d it s there will Le as-ambled at San S e lpistian and its vicinity between 9 3,030 :mil 24 000 men, in eludiog the British Auxiliary Legion ; and there is every reason to be sanguine as to the result of the military operations they are destined to be employed A battalion or tao of the Royal Guard are expected, and stabling is prepared for 40C1 cavalry. Dispatcl:es have been received by special courier fiorn Ma cl-4 co,taining, it is sahi, a , sur •neca from Government that eight millions of reals (80,0Otd.) are en their way in cash and good comml-,!ial negotiable bills, to be applied to the liquidation of the claims of the officers and men of tine British Legion. This great effort on the part of the Spanish Government proves both its good faith and good judgment ; and should these pro mised supplies shortly arrive, and be promptly and equitably divided among the respective claimants, there is but little doubt of the re -engagement of most of those officers and men whom it may be desii able to retoin in the Qaeen of Spain's service. 11 rdie d Boards have continued sitting for some days pas!. ordci to decide on the cases of inefficient men. One hundred and fifty have already been sent to Erigiand invalided, and about three liaanlred more will follow. All the worthless characters, too, will be discharged and sent away. A corns of from tao thousand to two thousai,(l five hundred good soldiers mat be farmed out of the reduced Legion. General Sooane went to Socoa yesterday, accompanied by Colonel Senhilles, the Commissioner of the French Govern ment. It is reported that the object of their visit to France is to endeavour to arrange with General liarisne for the pas sage of a body of Spanish troops across the French territory. This may prove a difficult matter to accomplish. There is a report that the Condo de Luchana is coining here, and that San Sebastian is to be the Lase where the operations of the main army will be established. The re searches I have made on this subject do not enable me to speak positively on this score. The rumour is merely stated to you as one of the many, with or without foundation, which are afloat. The weather still continues rainy, with only a few gleams of sunshine; the ground is in a very bad state; and even after the cessation of the rain, it will take several days before the roads will be practicable for troops or artillery. In consequence of the arrival of the ex-Infante Don Se bastian at Estella from Tolosa with some battalions (it is said eight) and the tnaterials for a floating bridge, with which thirty-four bullock-carts wtre. laden, it appears that the Queen's General, Buren;, has been detached with nine battalions and 700 or 800 cavalry to the Rioja, in order to watch for the Car list expedition. These troops occupied, on the night of the 20th, Lodosa, Mendavia, and Sesma, on the left bank of the Ebro, and were to join the division of the Ribera, where there are 500 or 600 cavalry. Thus this attempt to enter Castile is foiled. Besides the forces above mentioned, the Portuguese Auxiliary Corps, under the command of the Baron de las Antas, is at Villtrcao ; and there are seven battalions of the Queen's troops on the Pamplona line. From all that precedes we are justified in concluding that a decisive blow is on the eve of being struck at the faction. Provisions, especially wheat, are said to be extremely scarce in the insurgent provinces : at the last market at Tolosa wheat rose 100 per cent.: thus, if the French frontier could be closed, the Carlists would not have wherewithal to feed their troops. There is every appearance that this desirable object will speedily be accomplished by force of arms. The troops of the Legion continue to conduct themselves well, and to keep up their soldier-like appearance. SAN SEBASTIAN, MA II 1. —Yesterday evening the British man-of-war steamers Rhadamanthus and Salamander, and the French Government steam-vessel the .Afeleore, arrived from Portugalete with three more Spanish battalions. They will proceed immediately to the above port for more troops. The .Phcenis, James IVatt, and Isabel 11. went yesterday from Portugalete to Santander with three additional Spanish bat talions, destined, together with some cavalry, to augment the force acting in the Ribera and on the banks of the Ebro. Deserters continue to come over daily. Two who arrived Yesterday state that the Infante Don Sebastian, Villareal, yesterday state that the Infarte Don Sebastian, Villareal, Eguia, Moreno, and other Carlist chiefs are at Tolosa, where a grand council was holden to fix upon the line of conduct to be 'adopted in consequence of the movements of the Queen's troops. If those dose: ters are to be believed, the faction are really dis couraged, and very badly off for supplies, so much so that the men have been for some time living on a fourth part of the usual rations. One of the deserters yesterday is a Naverrese, and he describes the anxiety of the soldiers belonging to .:is province to quit the Pretender's service as being very great. The Navar rese and Aragonese (most of whom have been forced into the Carlist ranks) are narrowly watched by the Chapelehouris, who are all Guipuzcoans : as soon as the men go off guard their arms are taken from them. The weather has again become fine; the troops arc in ex cellent spirits, and we are looking forward to a speedy com mencement of successful operations. The enemy are said to still have 2•t battalions between Tolosa and Irun ; and re port says that they are placing eighteen heavy pieces of artil lery on the road to those places. This is doubtful ; however, should it be the case, most likely they will be taken by the Queen's forces. The general report here is, that the Conde de Luchana will come to San Sebastian previously to the approaching opei a dons ; so large a portion of the force under his commend being destined to be assembled at this point—say 24, or 25,000 men. I believe there is some warrant for giving credence to this rumour; and I have good grounds for assuring you again that the very best and most cordial understanding exists, as it over has done, between General Evans and the General-in- Chief From Bilboa there is nothing new : the works for the pro tection of that city are progressing rapidly: it is :aid thin 11,000 men will be left as a garrison, and in order to man the different posts in the neighbourhood and on the banks c,f the river.—Currespoirdent of a Morning Paper. BRUSSELS, GERMAN, AND LISBON PAPERS. BfirSSELS, MAY G. ---,After about twelve sittings more the Session will be closed, add the Deputies, fatigued by the long and sterile discussion of the project of law on the Tariff of Customs, will go to the country for recreation. The sufferers by acts of pillage in vain present petitions b the Municipality and to the Chambers to obtain at leas: some advance of money to relieve their distress. No decision has yet been made in their favour. The city of Brussels, burdened with debt in consequence of a rather injudicious management of its revenues and of certain expenses for object- , rathor ostentatious than useful, has applied to the King, wh, has made promises which only the Chambers can keep, it the Ministers think fit to present a law to them ; but as we are persuaded of the ill-will of tht. present Ministry, we fee' obliged to advise the unhappy sufferers to have a little pa tience ; the next Session, and a new Ministry alone, can assist them. The seizure made by the Minister of Justice of the pro perty of two foreigners, who died lately in Belgium, has alarmed several F - 0141m, n, who have purchased landed pro perty in our neighbourhood. Min,t of them are preparing to sell it. and to leave the country. It is time that M. d'ileiart should give an explanation in the Moniteur respecting this im politic measere, which may do much injury to the city of Brussels.—P. S. Just as we are going to press, we learn that on the motion of the Minister of Justice, the Chamber has resolved that a project of law on international reciprocity on this subject, shall be dis.oissed on Monday or Tuesday. ATHENS, APRIL 6.—The merchants and trades-peoplt. of Ratras refused to pay the tax on licenses. The occasion was F given by M ait iri, a wholesale dealer in that town, when the Governor of Patras sent for on the 24th March, and required him to pay 600 drachms, which Fakiri refused to do. The Governor sent a detachment of Gendarmes, who forcibly en tered Fakiri's warehouse and seized goods to the amount of 2,000. In consequence of this all the trades-people shut air their shops. The Governor, acting with energy, now sum moned the bakers to open the it shops, and on their refusal or dered them to be taken to prison, but the people rescued them from the hands of the armed force. The Government has or dered troo,)s to be sent to P“tras. M. Valkius, Counsellor of State, is gone thither as Royal Commissioner. According to the latest accounts order was restored, and the shops again opened. VIENNA, APRIL 24. —Acc.)unts have just been received from Hermanstadt, of the 18 is ins'., announcing the opening of the Diet of Tramllvania, and the hi:rnage of the EstateE, with gin: onp on the ith. . . LISBON, APRIL 2G. —The o:der of the Day in the National Congress was the continuation of the general debate on the proposed Constitution. In this debate, as in those which pre ceded, the greatest regularity. order, and dignity prevailed. The debate on the Constitution still continues. APRIL 30.—A desp•ttcli from the Commander of the Stl , Militant Division, to the Alioi;ter of War, dated Tavera, the 24th inst., gives an account of the submission of several indi vidual: belonging to the Guerillas, Vt ho had accepted the par don offered, and of a curious occurrence ia pursuit of the marauders, in which nothing of importance occurred.—Na cional,• May I. Oa ThurAay a corn nission of lunacy was held at the Horns, Kennington, to inquire into the state of mind of Mrs. Elizabeth Cobh:•tr, a wi:low lady. an inmate of a private• lunatic asylum at Peckham Rise. Mrs. Catherine Storer stated that s!te had known Mrs. Cobhett for 30 years. and within the last seven she had betrayed great weakness and im becility of mind. She laboured under the delusion that she had never been married ; and although she, had several chil dren she denied ever having had any otTspring. She was very partial to reading, but after poring over books for hours she would not know anything of their contents. She would o❑ some occasions spend hours in reading Virgil, although she knew nothing of the language in which it was written. It was also stated that she attempted self-destruction. In 1816 she manifested such a want of maternal feeling that her infant was obliged to be taken away from her. Dr. Burnett was of opi nion that she had been of unsound mind since 1822. The unfortunate lady was brought into the room, and questioned by the Commissioner. Her answers but too plainly indicated her insanity. The jury returned a verdict " That Mrs. Cobbctt had been of unsound mind since October 22, 1822." A person yesterday on his way from Bishop's Castle to this town observed a cow milking herself. She was after. wards observed sucking several other cows. —Shrewsbuu Chronicle. POOR LAWS. RESOLUTIONS TO BE MOVED BY MR. WARD, 1:' , ; COM AITTEE ON THE IRISH POOR-LAW BILL. 1. Thr.t, with a view to the beneficial operation of a Poor ia,,v for Ireland, and in pursuance of the recommendations of the Commission for inquiring into the state of the poor in that part of the Unitcd Kingdom, it is expedient to adopt the auxi liary measure of systematic emigration. 2. That, in order to provide funds without any addition to :he taxation of the country, for defraying the cost of emigra tion from Ireland to the Colonies, it is expedient to give im mediate effect t ) the following Resolutions, which were re ported to the !Luise at the close of last Session, by the Select Committee appointed t o i nqu i re i n t o t h e di sposa l of Colonial Waste Lands. " 1. That it appears to this Committee that, since the year 1706, the sales of waste hind in the United States have produced a sum of 39.707,439 or £l2 439,049 sterling, without inc;uding the first quarter of the present year (1836), during a hich the land sale!; amounted to 4,439,650 dollars ; and that the revenue derived annually from this source, has advanced progressively from 4,836 dollars (which was the amount re ceived in 1796) to 11.000,000 dollars (which was the amount received in 1835), with every prospect of a further increase, the estimate for the present year being 20,009,000 of dorari, and the receipt for the quarter ending March 31, 4,439,650 dol lars 4. " 2. That the land sales in the United States appear to be conducted upon an uniform and well-organized system, which is applied to the whole Federation ; there I.);..ing a general land office established at Washington, under separate and re sponsible officers, who have no political dutiei whatsoever, with 40 subordinate district land offices in other party of the Un'on ; that these land offices are connected with a surveyin g department, upon so extensiv e a sca l e , th a t the land actually surveyed amounts to 110,000,000 of acres, over and above the 40,000,000 of acres already disposed of; that all land is offered fur sale by auction, at an upset price, fixed by the Legislature ; and that purchasers have the seen: ity of an Act of Congress bath for the performance of con ditions upon which they buy the land, and for the permanence of the system under which they acquire it. " 3. That it does not appear to the Committee, that, in the British Colonies included within the reference to this Com mittee, any regular or uniform system of sale was adopted up to the year 1831, although certain conditions were attached to the occupation of land, under the name of quit rents, money payments, or cultivation of the soil, which it was found impos sible to enforce effectually. These conditions, moreover, were exceedingly various and fluctuating, productive of little advantage to the State, and often injurious to the colo nists themselves, by allowing vast tracts of waste land, either as grants to individuals, or as reserves for various public pur poses, to interpose between the settled districts, and thus to interrupt the progress of cultivation and improvement. " 4. That, in the year 1831, the principle of uniformly affixing a price to land was introduced by Lord Ripon's Re. gulations, which required that all land should be disposed of by auction, at a minimum upset price, and for ready money only, by the colonial authorities, the sale being declared void, and the deposit of 10 per cent, forfeited, if the purchase were not completed within a month. But it is the opinion of the Committee, that the new system, although its effects are shown to have been highly beneficial already, has not yet been productive of all the good which may be expected to flow from it, when brought into more extended operation, under a system of superintendence similar to that of the United States, and with the guarantee of an Act of Par liament. fi "5. That the Committee, therefore, recommend that the principle established by Lord Ripon's regulations should be affirmed by an Act of the Legislature, in order to give this principle a character of permanency and stability which it does not possess at present. " 6. With regard to the minimum price, which ought to be affixed to land in the first instance, the Committee pronounces no opinion, conceiving that the whole tenor of the evidence goes to prove that it must vary according to the circumstances of each colon), and can only be determined, in any one, by the test of experience. " But it appears to the Committee that the whole of the ar rangements connected with the sale of land, including both the price and the precise mode of sale, should be placed under the charge of a Central Land Board, resident in London, and made responsible either to some existing department in the Government, or to Parliament directly, as may be deemed ex pedient. That this Board, acting through Local Boards esta blished in the Colonies, should be charged as well with the surveying department, as with the care of so directing the stream of emigration, which may be expected to flow into the Colonies from the mother country, as to proportion in each the supply of labour to the demand. " 7. That, with a view to this latter duty, in the opinion of the Committee, it is most expedient that, with the exception of the West Indies, to which it will appear by the evidence that a different system of colonization might be more suitable, but where the application of the same principle appears to be equally desirable, the net proceeds of the land sales in those Colonies, .the climate of which is not unfavourable to the European frame, should be employed as an Emigration Fund ; each Colony being furnished with emigrant labour in exact proportion to the amount of its own land sales. " 8. That the Committee sees reason to believe that, by a judicious selection of the emigrants, and by airing a preference to young couples recently marr i e d, a grea t effect' might be pro duced, in opposite senses, upon the state of the population here and in the Colonies, by the removal of a much smaller number of persons than might at first be thought necessary. The Committee la:•g- to refer to certain Tables prepared under their direction by Mr. Lewis, and annexed to the Report, to exemplify their meaning. " 9. The Committee conceive that it would be perfectly practicable to raise, upon the security of the future land sales, the funds necessary to set on foot a plan of systema! ic emigra tion, upon a scale sufficiently large to meet the exigencies of the Colonies, and of the Mother Country. " 10. That in this, as in all in their other recommendations, the Committee have looked with quite as lively an anxiety to the welfare of the Colonies as to that of the Mother Country ; that, in all matters connected with emigration, they conceive the interest of the two to be inseparable ; the one thing wanting in the Colonies being precisely that free or hired labour, a superabundant supply of which is occasioning great local suffering in other parts of the Empire ; while the transfer of this labour to the Colonies, by enabling them to turn to the best account the advantages of soil, cli- mate, and great natural fertility, which they possess already, cannot fail to open new channels of industry and commerce. both to them and to the Mother Country, and thus to enhance incalculably the prosperity of the United Kingdom." * The fund arising from the sale of waste land in the United States, for the year 1836, considerably exceeded the oflie:al estimate, having been rather more than 2.4,000,000 dollars. This plan of selling, although not guaranteed by any Act of the Legislature, and although it not been in operation for more than six yea .s, yet alrealy proluces about 200,000/. per annum in the settlum:!nts of 1\1,:,v S ,uth Wiles and Van Diemea's Lind, of which the population is not more than abut 100,000 souls. EAsr INDIA SHIPPING. Arrivals, May 6.—The Malabar, Voss, from Bombay. off Plymouth, sailed from Vingorla, Jan. 10 ; the C a p e , Feb. 24; and St. Helena, March 10 ; the Orestes, Shettler, from China, at Bristol, sailed Dec. 24 ; St. Helena, March 8 ; the Osprey, Fisher, from the Mauritius, at Bristol, sailed Feb. 1; the Cape, Feb. 27 ; the Navarino, Close, from the Mauritius, otr Portsmou'll, sailed Jan. 29. ; the Cape, Feb. 25 ; St. Elea_ lean, March 10. Passengers per the Malabar, from 11, - ,mbay.--J. Bailie. Esq. ; Capt. Johnson, - Miss Morris, P. Wilkins, Esq., 4th Dragoons. Landed at the Cape : —Mr. Strover, Mrs. North. From Vingorla :—Mrs. South. Colonel Green, Captain Connor, Captain South, Captain B.irker, Surgeon Griffiths, Quarter master Connolly, Lieutenants Longley, Smith, Crawley, He nessey, and Rice; Adjutant Hollingsworth, Ensign Newman, Mr. Hollinsworth, 142 men, 17 women, and 22 children, his Majesty's 24th Regiment. Passengers per the Mary. from Van Diemen's Land (ex. pasted. )—Mrs. Winch and four children, and servant ; Mr. and Mrs. Aldridge, Mrs. Wall, Mr. Achill, Mr. Harvey, Master H. Rowlands, Dr. Holden, Mr. and Mrs. Belford and five children, Mr. and Mrs. Collins and two children, Mr. T. Cooney, Mrs. Hepburn, Mrs. Henry. Passengers per the Lord Godeii e l i , from New South Wales, via New Zealand and Rio Janeiro (expected).—The Rev. Mr. White, Mrs. White, and four children ; Mrs. Henry Ed colter, Mr. Leonard, and Mr. S insum (of Swan River.) Passengers per the Vestal, from New South Wales (ex pected.)—Air;. Hookey, Mr. and Mrs. M‘Dunald, Mrs. Cains, Mr. Whitehead, Mr. R. Roberts ; Misses Jones, Macpherson, and French ; Mrs. Roberts, and Ann Clarke. We are sorry to say that the commercial distress prevailing so fearfully in the north has extended to Taunton. The principal branch of manufacture, the silk trade, is in a sad state. Some factories are working only two days a week, others are discharging a great number of hands, and some have proposed to close altogether for two or three weeks, until over glutted markets are a little relieved. The effect of such a diminution of labour at a time when the prices of provisions are unusually high, is of course calculated to produce the greatest distress among the poor, many of whom are almost starving.—Bath Herald. By a letter from a correspondent at Bairout, dated the 12th of March, we learn that he has just returned from a visit to the ruins of Gerash, and had passed through the dis tricts which had suffered most severely by the great eat thquake that had occurred on the Ist of January, and had convulsed all Syria. "At Naplous, in particular," he writes, that the havoc was dreadful ; the greater part of the inhabitants were living in the fields ; the garden-walls almost blocked up the paths, and in the town the houses that were not thrown down were twisted from their former shapes, and split from top to bottom. 1 had great difficulty in finding a lodging." After passing the Jordan he ascended the hills, and proceeded up the lovely valley through which that river flows, and arrived at a large village, which was a heap of ruins, nut twenty houses standing—all destroyed by the earthquake. A journeyman dyer of Elboeuf, near Rouen, named Picard; was on Friday last so much taunted and ridiculed by his comrades on the circumstance of a pretty young woman, to whom he was attached, having married with another man, that, in his excitement, he swore he would go and drown him self. His companions, little imagining he would aarry his threat into execution, continued to torment him and date him to the deed. 1-le was, however, mad enough to rush instantly from the dye- house, which was close to the river, and throw himself in. Immediate attempts were made to save him, but life was extinct before be could be taken out of the water. THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, MAY 9, 1837. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Atir 8. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. Sir R. MUSGRAVE brought up the Report of the Committee on the Waterrord County Rates Bill. Sir R. I3ATESON presented a petition from ti.le city of Londonderry, praying that no duty might be imposed on coals imported into Belfast by the Belfast Harbour Bill. BRIGHTON RAILWAY. Lord G. LENNOX moved that the petition presented on Friday last from two Directors of Stevenson's line of Railway to Brighton, named Crassio and Gordon, com plaining of fictitious signatures being attached to the sub scription list of the Southampton line, be referred to the SelN:t Committee on the Deptford and Dover lines. Mr. W. PATTON said the grievances complained of in the petition could be:redressed in a Court of Lam. He (lid not, therefore, think that the inquiry wits props it before a Committee. Sir C. BLUNT was a stronger favourer of Rennie's iine, but still he was most anxious that the alleg itions in these petitions should be most rigidly inquired into. Captain PEC HELL hoped that there was no intention to press the motion before the House, as it was a distinct understanding in Committee that nothing was to be done before Tuesday. The grievance complained of by the peti tioner, who was an iron-master, was, that he would not be able to supply the iron rails for Stevenson's line fir which he had contracted. Petitions cf that kind ought to be looked at with great suspicion. Lord GEORGE LENNOX could assn e the thin. Member for Brighton that he would not ask his opinion at what time he should present a petition. He co Id prove that there was only a subscription of 7,0001. beyond what was required by the rules of the House ; and he could also prove, that to the amount of 10,5001. was entirely of fictitious signatures. He could aso prove that the Clerk to the Solicitor tor the Company ILO signed the deed for shares to the amount of 30,000/., and it had been already proved before the Deptford and Dover Committee that he was a fictitious signer on that line to the amount of 10,000/. He should most cact-tinly press his motion. Captain PEC HELL in explanation, said that his only object was to enable the inhabitants of Brighton to be ac commodated with a line of railway this session. Mr. CR A WFORD hoped the House would pause be fore they opened a discussion upon such a petiti nt, coming as it did from a losing party. He had taken the trouble to examine the subscription lists of both lines, an 1 ho found that in Stevenson's line one-fourth part of the whole was held by persons on the Stock Exchange, and that one sixth of another line was also held in the same way, merely for the purposes of speculation. It was through a fraud committed by some persons connected with Stevenson's line, through one of the Clerks on the Stock Exchange, that the whole ruin of the gamblinz-syi tern had been brought about, by the stock being introduced into that House. Sir C. BURRELL thought the assertion of the Hon. Member was too strong. It was too much to say that per sons employed on the Stock Exchange had no right to spe culate in these undertakings. He knew no law against it. The petition was then referred to the Committee on the Deptford and Dover Railway. AGRICULTURAL BANK OF IRELAND. Mr. E. TENNENT presented a petition from several of the Shareholders of the Agricultural Bank of Ireland, praying that a Bill might be introduced, to amend the Act by which that Company was incorporated. The petition was referred to the Committee on Private Bills. Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition from cer tain parties, praying to be heard by Counsel against the Birmingham and Derby Grand Junction Railway. GLASGOW AND AYR RAILWAY. On the motion for the second reading of the Glasgow, Paisley, and Ayr Railway Bill, Dr. BOWRING give notice, that in Committee he should move for the omission of the clause restraining tra velling on Sundays. BRIDLINGTON PIER AND HARBOUR BILL. Mr. G. F. YOUNG presented a petition from the ship owners, merchants, and traders of Tynemouth against the passing -toll clause in the Bridlington Harbour Bill. Mr. BETHELL, in moving the second reading of the Bridlington Pier and Harbour Bill, said the present Bill was merely a continuation of one which had been granted before. It was not for the purpose of creating any new works, but merely of continuing those already in progress. Whatever difficulty surrounded the measure, the promoters of the Bill felt it their duty not to shrink from it ; and al though the Bill appeared before the House in a private character, it. was to promote a public object.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") The promoters of the Bill felt that they had entered into an implied contract with the public to finish the work they had already begun ; but the great motive which induced them under any circum stances to persevere was, that they were engaged in the. cause of humanity ; they were impressed with a strong con viction arising from the scenes of distress constantly brought under their notice, and that the security of life and property was deeply interested in the issue of this measure.—(Hear, hear.) He did not stand up there as the advocate of pass'ng-tolls ; in a general point of view, passing-tolls were objectionable, and that opinion had been expressed in the Report of the Committee on Harbours of Refuge ; but there were cases which would fairly overrule the general principle. He was willing that a clause should be introduced in the present Bill, granting that toll only for a specific purpose, and for a limited period. The Hon. Member concluded by moving that the Bill be read a second time. Mr. G. F. YOUNG was placed in a position of some difficulty by the course adopted by the Hon. Member for Yorkshire. It was well known that he (Mr. Young) had never lost any opportunity of opposing the imposition of passing -tolls, and be was happy to find that both the Go vernment and the House had admitted their impropriety. That had been his great opposition to the present measure. but the passing-toll in that case appeared to b eof a two-fold character ; the one upon tonnage, and the other upn coals. The latter would fall very heavily upon the shipowners, as, generally speaking, the coals were their own property. Con sidering, however, that the present harbour was an exception to the general rule ; and considering also the impossibility of cinnmunicating with that body, whose interests he had always advocated, he thought he should be exercising the soundest discretion by stating that if the Hon. Member for Yorkshire would introduce a special enactment to limit the tax upon coals to the period required for the completion of the works, on that understanding, he, for himself indivi dually, would, say that he should not oppose the second reading of the Bill. Sir G. STRICKLAND hal expected that the Hon. Member Lt. Tynemouth w4uld Lke such a course, frAn the txpresions which had fallen from him when he presided at a meeting of shipowners sonic time ago. This was not a Bill to expend money for new works, but to keep up a harbour upon which 3.5,0001. hal been expended, and which, a Committee had reported last year was a harbour which ought to 1.0 supported by passing tolls—it being an exception to the general rule. In answer to the lion. Member for Elinburghshire (Sir G. Clerk), that Scotch vessels overtaken by a storm on the coast of Yorkshire would not run for Scarborough or Whitby, but for the great bay of Bridlington, because there they would be safe, he thought that the case made out fin. this Bill was a strong one, and on the grounds of humanity he thought the House should pass it. Mr. PEASE thought the coal trade was the one which ought to be the most protected ; yet because it way not represented in that House, Le was astonished to see the representatives of the shipping interest abandon their poorest constituents. It was impossible for time larger ships engaged in the coal trade from the North ever to make use of the Harbour. Then, why-- where was the justice of making them pay for that which they could not enjoy ? By a return he held in his hand, he found that thirty out of forty ships in the coil trade drew fourteen feet water, while the harbour was to be only seven feet at neap tides. He moved that the Bill be read a second time that day six months. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON thought that as the Bill had not been supported by any better authority than it mad been in a former session, it ought not to p ass . H e would support the amendment that it should be read that diy six months. Mr. A. CH A PM AN thought the Bill was one of great importance, and ought to receive the sanction of the House. Mr. P. B. THOMPSON thought, for the sake &justice and humanity, the Bill ought to be read a second time. He would call on every disinterested Memh..r, who had a doubt on his mind, to give that doubt in favour of justice and humanity. Sir It. PnL wished to view this Bill solely in connec tion with the public. If it tended to increase the secu rity of navigation, and prevent the loss of life, then it was a public Bill ; yet, at the same time, if par ties, however important the object might be, came to the House of Commons for the purpose of imposing a duty on coals, in support of a private undertaking, they would find it very difficult to give satisfactory reasons to the House for supporting such a proposition. He had no objection whatever to the second reading, but he thought it would be of advantag e to the House if they could get some disinterested Fore's/lot / 4 authority to take a comprehensive view of the state of the harbours on the eastern coast ; and if, after making that survey, that judicial auth rity told him (Sir It. Peal), that on the whole, for the commercial interests of the country, Bridlington 1417.611 r was either the best that could be taken, or a good harbour in coririciltion with certain others, then he would acquiesce in the impcsition of this duty. are al adv on _ tops had been experienced by the various Committees who had been sitting on Railway Bills, in having before th em a respectable, int e lli gen t, an d di s i n t eres t e d engineer, and, therefore, he thought the better way would be before they allowed the Dill to pass the second reading, to ask the Board of Admira!ty to appoint some gentlemen to take a survey of that part of the coast.—(Hear.) Admiral ADAM said, the view the Right Hon. Baronet had taken of the question accorded with his own. Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON having been on the Committee, and having no local interest whatever in the subject, would take the liberty of offering a few obser vations. The report of the Committee was in favour of two particular places—Redcar, and Bridlington. As soon as the improvements of the harbour were com pleted, it was possible•that the crew and a great part of the cargo might be saved ; but if they came to the question of a proper harbour of refuge, Redear was decidedly the best. —( Hear, bear, hear.) Vessels were not obliged to go to Bridlington, because it was a protected point ; but vessels going along the coast might be driven into the bay in which Redcar was situate, and nothing but a harbour of refuge could save them. Mr. BELL supported the second reading of the B:11. Xries of " Divide !") Mr. BUCKINGHAM agreed with the opinions ex pressed by the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir E. Codrington). They were the opinions of a professional man, and as such entitled to considerable weight with the House.—( Hear, hear.) The House ought, therefore, not to consent to the commencement of works of such magnitude without weigh ing the merits of the undertaking. After a few words from Mr. ING H AM, Mr. HUME begged to ask the Right Hon. President of the Board of Trade what inquiries had been made on the part of Government with respect to this subject? The question was of public importance, and it ought to be se riously considered. After a few words from Sir J. JOHNSTONE and Mr. LAMBTON, Mr BETHEL L said upon the understanding that the Government would institute an immediate inquiry by Cona mis,ion or otherwise, so that much time might not be lost, he would take the second reading now, and postpone the Committee till the report was presented. Co'onel THOMPSON said he had formerly opposed the Bill, but having received communications from Hull, he was induced now to support it. He did not like "to turn about and jump about," without stating his reasons.—(Laughter.) Colonel SIBTHORP would vote against the second reading of the Bill, in case, as had been talked of, it should give rise to another Commission.—(Laughter.) Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The House then divided, when there appeared— . For the second reading Against it Majority 71 On our re-entering the gallery, we found Sir R. PEEL, on his legs, and, as we understood, asking the Right Hon. the Secretary of the Admiralty, whether there would be any objection to applying that principle to harbours which had been applied with such excellent effect to railways? Mr. C. WOOD made a few observations, but owing to the great noise in the House, we could not understand the purport of them. Mr. G. F. YOUNG said that the consideration of the question mooted by the Right Hon. Baronet took a large range. The complaint was a general one, and there was 'a want of harbours round the whole coast of Great Britain. He thought it would be worthy of his Majesty's Govern ment to direct their attention to the question in its full scope, and to come down with some general proposition to the House. Mr. P. B. THOMSON regretted the proposal now made by the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth was not made last year. The power under the present Act by which these works were carried on would expire at the end of the present Session ; and if some steps were not taken to carry on that work, the whole of the expense, amounting to 40,0001., a great part of which had been contributed by the town of Bridlingtou—(Hear)—would have been completely thrown away. After a few words from Sir E. CODRINGTON and Mr. BETHELL the conversation dropped. The Bill was ordered to be committed. On the motion of Sir G. CLERK the Mertoun (Tweed) Bridge Bill was read a third time, and passed. CARLOW ELECTION. Mr. F. BARING appeared at the Bar with the Report of the Carlow Election Committee. He reported that the Committee had decided that N. A. Vigors had been duly elected to serve in the present Parliament as Knight of the Shire for the county of Carlow ; that neither the petition nor the opposition to it was frivolous or vexa tious, nor was the petition against the Sheriff, or the op position to it, frivolous or vexatious, and that the Committee had altered the poll by striking off certain voters—among others that of Philip Ryan, who, from the time of being put on the registry, and before the election, had taken the be nefit of the Insolvent Debtors' Act. Col. PERCEVAL gave notice that on Thursday next he would m ove th a t th e ev id ence ta k en b e f ore the Com mittee Le printed. On the motion of Sir J. GRAHAM, the Maryport and Carlisle Railroad Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. HUME presented a petition against certain parts of the Portland Cemetery Bill. PORTUGUESE TREATY. Mr. ROBINSON had given notice of his intention to ask a question of the Noble Secretary for Foreign Affairs, whom he was happy to see in his place. He begged to ask whether a treaty of commerce had not been entered into between this Government and that of Por tugal, which was satisfactory to both, but had been put an end to by a power in Portugal which was stronger than the Government itself ; also, whe ther in addition to higher duties, additional port dues had not been imposed on our commerce; and lastly', whether under these peculiar circumstances the Government was prepared to take any, and what steps, for the protection of the commerce of the country ? Lord PA LNIERSTON said that negotiations had been entered into with the French Government upon the subject referred to by the lion. Member, but in consequence of re peated changes in that Government no arrangement had as pt been come to. With respect to the other question asked by the Hon. Member, he had only to say that the Presi dent of the Board of Trade had already prepared an Order in Council upon that subject, which would be agreed to the next time the Council met. Captain PEC HEL wished to know whether any arrange ment had been made, with reference to the fishing on the French and English coasts. Lord PALMERSTON said that some time ago he had had a communication with the French Government upon the subject ; that Commissioners had been appointed with the view of drawing a more satisfactory line between the fishe ries on the French and English coasts ; but they bad not hitherto made their report. REPEAL OF THE SEPTENNIAL ACT. On the Order of the Day being read for the House to go into Committee of Supply, Mr. TENNYSON D'EYNCOURT rose to bring forward his motion for a repeal of the Septennial Act. As soon as the noise had subsided consequent upon Mem bers leaving the House, we understood the Honourable Member to say that he would have brought the question forward at an earlier period, but he was unwilling to embarrass his Majesty's Government, and that he was in expectation that they themselves would have brought the matter before the House. It was with great pain he learned that he would not have their sup port, more especially as he believed them to be actuated by a sincere desire to promote the best interests of the country. In bringing forward his motion for the repeal of the Septennial Act, he should briefly state to the House the position in which the question was placed. It was well known that previous to the reign of Henry the Eighth the people enjoyed annual or sessional Parliaments, and that it was in his reign the first usurpation of the rights of the people in that respect had taken place. That usurpation, the object of which was to render the Legislature less responsible to the people, had been pro ductive of serious evil and injury. The Hon. Gentleman then said that it had ever been acknowledged by Reformers that one of the greatest elements of Reform was an in creased responsibility on the part of Members of Parlia ment, and that he was willing to admit that all those who differed from him on this question acted upon the principle of doing that which, in their own judgment, was best in establishing public security. H e cou ld not at the same time adroit whom he so widely differed on this point, and he had con sidered it necessary to introduce the motion again. He trusted the Government had not finally made up their mind to oppose it, for he could assure them that the people of England would never rest until they should have obtained the restoration of a right which they considered as inherent a privilege as the Trial by Jury, or an y o ther right which tliey inherited under the British Constitution. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving the repeal of the Septen nial Act. M r . WILLIAMS (of Coventry) seconded the motion. Sir F. TRENCH opposed the motion. Sir S. WHALLEY rose, amidst loud calls for Lord J. Russd. He would give way to no one but the Noble Lord, because he was in the peculiar situation of having paired off with another Hon. Member, and he was bound to express his sentiments, since lie was precluded from voting on the question. He was favourable to the motion, which he looked upon as a most natural and important corollary from the Reform Bill. Mr. VERNON opposed the motion. Mr. HUME supported the motion. He was sure that the constituencies throughout the country thought seven years too long a term for the duration of Parliament. The question was, whether the dorntion of *even yours gave responsibility enough, end whether, if it did not, they ought not to reduce it to a shorter period. He thought that the term of the existence of Parliaments ought to be reduced to throe Tears neither more nor less. He did not ;spec with those who thought annual Parliaments desirable. Ile thought that the duration of Parliament ought to he fixed at three years ; that it ou_Ott not to exceed nor fall short of that period ; and that it should not be in the power of a Ministry to dissolve it when they 1 ;e 1e( 1. called Lyon the Noble Lord to give his consent to the pre sent motion. Lord J. RUSSELL said teat, having oa a fortwr o-;:- casion stated his opinions on this subject at eousid-rald.• length, he did not feel it necessary to do more that' hrieil. to state the views he eatertained with respect to the pre sent motion. It had been stated that, in bringing fin-ward the Reform Bill, he (Lord J. Russell) had said, with re spect to the shortening of the duration of Parliaments, that it was a subject that might be considered at a fame time ; but another sentence which he had used on the same occasion had not been quoted, for, at the time, he had expressed a hope that the House would come to no decision with respect to the duration of Parliatw.mts which would have the effect of taking away tile stability of our Legislature. Another expression of his had also been quoted, to the effect that he considered seven years unnecessarily long, and that he thought the duration of five years a speculative question preferable to a duration of seven years. With that opinion it might he expected that he would agree to the present motion, and that he would go into Committee on the Bill with those who enter tained opinions in favour of three years or any other term, leaving it for discussion in Committee on the Bill whether the blank should be filled up with three or with five years. Ile did not think thA that would be a discreet course for the House to pursue. If any alteration was to be made, it should be made with respect to some di,tinct and spe cified period. But would five years be likely to satisfy those who asked for this change ? It appeared to him that whatever opinion was felt in favour of such a change, it was more in favour of a change to three than to five years. The Hon. Member for Middlesex had said, would any pri vate individual entrust his affairs to another without the power to call him to account for seven years : but if that argument was good for any thing, it was equally strong with respect to three yearf. The Hon. seconder of the motion had said that the people had a right to have Par liaments of any particular duration. He (Lord John Russell) thought that the analogy drawn from the Par liaments of ancient times was as little applicable to the Parliaments of the present time as the argument of the Honourable Member for Middlesex with respect to the management of the private affairs of an individual. The time of Edward the Third, when the knights and burges ses came up, was as unlike to the complicated and various business of the present time as could possibly be. Much of the argument in favour of the repeal of the Septennial Act was grounded on the violation charged against the authors of it. He was rather surprised to hear the period of the passing of the Septennial Act called the worst period of our history. He considered the period of the accession of the House of Hanover to have been a period when a free Government gave additional security, and when the pre tensions of the House of Stuart were finally set aside. The authors of the Septennial Act had fully stated in the pre amble the grounds on which that measure wes passed. It was not an Act of temporary necessity ; but, whether or not, that could have no influence on opinion at the present time. But if the Parliament that preceded the Septen nial Parliament had a right to say that Parliament should last three years, had not the succeeding Parliament a right to say that it should continue for seven years ? When it \ was stated that the Triennial Parliaments had been found productive of greats " heats and animosities," and had led to "great expense," were they prepared to recur to that system? One of the consequences of a greater duration was to attach greater influence and authority to the Com mons' House of Parliament.--( Hear, hear.) If there were two bodies—one always continuity , to exist, and another existing only a short time, the body which always continued in existence would possess more weight. Pre vious to the Septennial Act those who took the lead were Members of the House of Peers. The effect of the Septennial Act was to give increased importance to the House of Commons. After the Septennial Act most of those who took a leading part in the affairs of the country were for the greater part in the House of Commons. He did not believe that there was a general wish in the public mind in favour of this change. They had already effected a great change in the Constitution when they passed the Reform Act. In proposing the Reform Bill he had said with respect to the question of shortening the duration of Parliaments, and the question of the ballot, that they were questions which might be considered at a future time. But with respect to the present question he certainly had stated that his opinions were not in favour of any change to triennial Parliaments. He thought it would be much better that they should devote their attention to practical questions—that they should apply themselves to questions which more immediately affected the interests of the coun try and the condition of the people, and in so doing they would employ themselves more usefully for the public than in attempting to effect a change in the duration of Perna- ments. Mr. WAKLEY said that from the speech of the Noble Lord it was quite clear that the duration of Parliaments would continue the same as long as the people allowed them to remain so. It was quite clear that in order to have the desired change they must have the pressure from without. The Septennial Act was passed for a particular object, which was not required now ; but there would always be abundance of excuses found for its continuance. The Noble Lord seemed to be of opinion that the people did not desire that the Act should be repealed. He thought that the Noble Lord would entertain a very different opi nion before this day twelve months. He thought that the Noble Lord ought not to forget what was passing at this moment in the immediate neighbourhood of this House. The aristocracy of the district in which that House was situated was at that moment canvassing and using every possible effort to return to that House a man who had pledged himself to annual Parliaments, universal suffrage, and vote by ballot.—( Loud cheers.) That was the very course they were following. He had never seen the Lords working so industriously for the return of a Radical Re former to that House.—(Loud cheers and laughter.) The Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) said that he would yield his consent to any measure that would restrict the duration of Parliament to three years.—(" No, no !" from Lord J. Russell.) He begged the Noble Lord's pardon, he mizun derstood him. His object in rising was to show that they had the power in their own hands to have either triennial or septennial Parliaments. When he was elected, nearly three years ago, he made a promise that at the end of three years he would resign, as, being friendly to triennial Parliaments ; he wished to give them a proof of his sin cerity.—(A laugh.) He should resign. Ho should not go before his constituents and say that if his conduct had not satisfied them during the time he was in the House he would resign. He would adopt no cours e of that kind. He .would apply for the Chiltern Hundreds, and walk out. —(A laugh.) He would tell the Conservatives of Fins bury that this was his determination, and he only hoped that they would have a fair battle. It depended upon the people themselves whether they should have triennial Par liaments or not. He hoped they would take advantage of the discussion that night. Mr. ROEBUCK—The Noble Lord opposed this mo tion because it would affect the stability of Parliament. Now he would wish to see a Bill brought in to secure the stability of Parliament by enacting that Parliament should exist for three years—no more nor no less. He thought that Parliament should be dissolved at a stated period, and that when elected again it should not be in the power of the King or any one else to dissolve it until it had completed a term of three years. They would then have no instabi lity. The Parliament would depend' for its existence on no act of individual will, but upon the law. That was the sort of Legislature which existed in the United States of America. He would vote for the motion as one step to wards that stability which lie felt to be desirable, and he hoped the time would come when the existence of Parlia ment would be dependent on the law alone, and not on the Crown nor on the will of any Ministry. The House then divided, and the numbers were_ Against the motion 96 For the motion 87 Majority against the motion 9 POOR-LAWS (IRELAND) BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the Order of the Day for The House to resolve itself into a Committee on this Bill. Mr. O'CONNELL said that before the Speaker left the Chair he wished to suggest an opinion on the subject of this Bill. lie must say that the state of destitution that ex isted in Ireland was exceedingly underrated in this Bill. He never knew an instance of such a complete falsification of evidence as that which arose in Mr. Nicholl's report. He had declared that in the present state of destitution in Ire land anything like adequate relief would amount to a confis cation of property, whilst the present provision was not only not desirable, but would lead to increasing irritation. Having to select between them, he had made up his mind for confiscation, and not for increasing irritation, and there fore he must state that he would not oppose this Bill. lie felt it his duty to express his opinion that the relief must be more extensive, or they had better have no relief at all. Mr. SHELL saw there was to be another rate imposed upon the people of Ireland before the tithe question was settled. They had now for three years resisted the pav mou of tithes.—(Hear, hear.)—O at the Ist of November there would be four years to pay. Was it intended by the Legislature to impose a new tax upon the people of Ireland before the adjustment of the tithe question ? He felt public opinion was pronounced, and irrevocably pronounced, upon the subject of an Irish Poor-law.—( Hear.) But w hit () lap felt quite convinced that a Poor -rate must be Imposed, he was most anxious that the tithe question should be settled before the rate was imposed upon lie land,—(Loud cries of Hear, hear.) It must be manifest to everybody who knew anything of the Constitution of this country, that where the wals of the peoPlet already by :lie most effeetive, and, in his opinion, justifiable organiz,r tioh, rosisted ;he collect or tithes—it must be mai"' nst, that nivil th e t i t h e quest i on was a dj uste d, it was iro issil.de that any other rate should be imposed en t. O eon e try ;yith the sm a! 'est el1.1:1(' 0 SUCVOsifill Ile wi,hed that Lie Governin!mt would direct 49 to t a us ,.. kitijPet. He did not think that the peuP le I,.e! a od woulif be satisfied ii ita the question of tithes was shitted. He would, as he s mid beire, irtt ne question, but lie should certainly like to kno whit courg t Govern m e nt , moant to adopt.. Mr. RICIIARDS did not t hi n k t h at any Bi l could be introduc e d more lik e l y to tranqu i ll i se I re l an d than tine In'' Mill. a provi s i on f or the iloqitute poor of that tm:dile"- ( Hear ) Th e H onoura bl e an d L earned Aleidu,T for Tipperary had en d eavoure d i n t h e fi rst i nstance to f r ighten the Ho use aga i nst i ntro d uc i ng any Poor-laws i nto I re l a nd and as he h a d f a il e d i n t h' s, h e now w i shed to exc i te fears by stating that he should propose that there should he 4 system of out-door relief, which in the first instance mad occasion great confusion. Mr. SHAW was as anxious as the Hon. Member for Tipperary for a settlement of the tithe question, but he did not agree with him as to the mode in which this s hould be effected. The Hon. Member said that it would be fair years next November since tithes bad been collected in Ire land. This, however, was a fallacy ; for tithes had been tolerably well paid in Ireland, at least in three-fourths of the country, during the last year ; and any difficulty i 4 their collecti on was on l y exper i enced in one -f o urth. li e would venture to assert, that tithes were as well raid as any other duty or tax. With respect to this Bill, he though t that a great fault of it was, that it went much farther than the Noble Lord had made provision for. He also thought that the Noble Lord had greatly miscalculated the nut"' her of applicants for admission into the workhouses; they would certainly be much greater than he imagined It - would have been much better in the first instance if they had confined relief in the workhouses for the weak, th e sick, anti the infirm. He could not help feeling, howeve, r ' that the w h o l e measure was a fearful experiment on tne property of Ireland as well as the habits of the people. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFOR D was satisfied that t he principle of relief in workhouses never could be acted upon in Ireland. He differed from the Hon. and Learned Mem' her for Tipperary as to the settlement of the Tithe que s " Lion before the Poor-law Bill ;he thought that the latt er should be delayed on no account. Mr. FITZSTEPHEN FRENCH thought that this question was of vital importance, and should be settled at once. Lord J RUSSELL addressed the House to the fe l ' lowing effect : I do not think it necessary to enter upon the zeneral argument as to the Poor-law measure, on which I he . fore addressed the House, both on the introduction and on the second reading of the Bill, but I feel bound to telte some notice of the question put to me by the Hon. and Learned Member for Tipperary. Indeed, I suppose that it is the wish of the House that I should state the c ourse that the Government intends to pursue as regards this sub' ject, and I must say that it is a matter of considerable &Ft' culty to state what course should be taken in certain cootie' gencies, being observations, or matter in the shape of obse" vations, as to the course taken by the party opposed to Ine as regards one of these Bills. It must be recollected tha t we introduced three separate Bills with respect to Ireland; namely, the Municipal Corporation Bill, the Tithes Bill, and the Poor-law Bill ; these were three separate. measure , but tending, as we believe, to the tranquillity, the improve' ment, and the well-being of Ireland, and also to the more fire' establishment of the union between the two countries. On th e ether side of the * House it has been held that these incision's were not to be taken as separate measures, but as filer sures connected together, and that one should not b e i n dgetl i of without the consideration of the other. Denying, as do, the justice of this opinion, still I have to say that "° have now brought forward, or at least stated the nature sae what we proposed to do with respect to each of these men sures. We have sent up to the other House of Parliamen t a Bill respecting Municipal Corporations in Ireland. W. t . e now propose t o go i nto C omm i ttee on the Poor-law Bill and my Noble Friend stated with great clearness the p°' visions of a Bill which he proposes to introduce respect 4 tithes ; therefore, the whole of our plans on these s ubjects are before the House. Knowing, then, that the plans re' posed on the part of the Government are before the House , we are of opinion that these measures are best calculate ( ' for the attainment of the objects meant to be obtained. B et I understood the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, i n the, course of the debate a t th e c l ose o f the discussion of one of those Bills in this House, namely, on the debate nn Muni' cipal Corporations —I understood him to state, that al: though he was not decidedly opposed to a measure on this subject, yet that that before the House exceeded in matte: as it was framed such a measure as he could approve of, and although he did not deny that a prima facie case had been made out for the establishment of Corporations in Ireland, he did not state the nature of the amendments which he would have wished to have introduced, nor the natured the Bill which he would support. He, however, opposed the further progress of the measure because the other m ea sures as to tithes and poor•laws were not before the House. 1 have stated that I regarded these Bills as separate measures, but which he stated be wished to regard as I whole. Thus I understood the statement of the Hon' Gentleman, and he is present to correct me if I am to; , • correct. But I mus t say w h at has actually happen?' - since is an occurrence wholly unprecedented in the his tory of Parliament--(Loud cheers)—but at the mol e time one to which it is difficult to affix any definite meaning.—(Loud cries of' " Hear, hear.") I have th e interpretation of this part of the Constitution from th e pray' tice and from the professions of the Right Hon. Gentleman , and I do not think that I differ much from him in stating that when measures have been passed repeatedly by • considerable majorities of that House, they must at the end meet with the concurrence of the other House of Podia' went. Undoubtedly lam not about to enter into a length' ened examination of the opinion to which I have referred but I must observe that it seems that so far it met with the concurrence of the other House that the Bill which Wes sent up to them for giving Municipal Corporations to Ireland was read a second time in the other House, and I did not hear, and, indeed, the contrary weuld appear to be the case, that no entice was given similar to that prO' posed and carried last year with respect to this Bill I n , the other H ouse o f P ar li ament, and which was propose d last year, an d a l so t hi s year, to this House of Pasha' ment, but which was on both occasions n e gatived' namely, that instead of provision being made for the r efer' mation and reconstruction of the Municipal Corporation! in Irel an d, th a t prov i s i on should be made for their total abolition. Judging, therefore, wholly from this fact, that the other House was disposed to assent that which woe practice in accordance with the best times of the Constipe tion, namely, finding that the settled and deliberate opinio n of the representatives of the people was in favour of th e establishment of popular and local Governments in Ireland' he supposed that the House of Lords was prepared to c( l °' sides the Bill on the subject which had been sent to thee' At the time when the Bill was read a second time, this aP' peered to be the course that would be taken, above ail, when no i n ti mat i on was g i ven of such an instruction as. have mention e d b e i ng proposed to the Committee, an d in' deed without not i ce o f any k i nd ; and the motion herr,„. made in such m anner as prec l u d e d many of those who in tended to support the Bill from hav'ng their names re : corded ag a i ns t th e mot i on ma d e, and successfully made, to postpone the Bill to the 9th of June. Therefore, as I before, putting aside the original proposition, that the Bills . should be considered separately, the House o f Lord s adopted the amendment that was proposed, that the Bills should be considered together ; and I must say, in all rair i ; ness, and in hope of coming to an adjustment, that, ,a would have been more right to have stated and propound": in a formal shape the amendments which were to be mad e ; o —(Cheers)—and th en , if t h ey h ad thought proper, ti`e might adjou rn f or a wee k , fortnight or longer t V furthe r cons id erat i on o f the subject,-(Heir, hear.) Thes e _ amendment s th us b e i ng i n our power, we should have bee : able to for m some judgment,sorne definite opinion, as to nature of the measure to which that House appeared " cso ling to assent ; and also to form a judgment on the succe ss of the measures which we are now pressing forward. I must also add, that the course which has been taken 11 0 ,, not hitherto been a course which has been taken up cerely with a view to come to an adjustment of this . tiff,. tion. • It is a course which must very much embarrass his - i a jestv's Government, and threw obstacles in the way whi a Liiii greatly interfere with us while we have to deal with the before the House. Under these circumstances it is very_o_r it cult to state what course it is proper to pursue, le r h might be said, and suspicious minds might adopt sue d se an opinion, that those who, without any notice, PrO ( , ) ,i ns t this course, and who have on all occasions spoken ogl• the popular principles contained in the Bill, and who e o ; er appear as hostile to that popular principle as they so h were—it might he said that their object was to act in the a way as t, ena bl e t h em to force the Bills on th e ° subjects witVi are co nsonant to t h e i r fee li ngs , while theyo, in would keep up th e f orm and substance of C or p o ratte Ireland, in whi c h wou ld be effee:ually shut out the poP u e principle, for cer t a i n o f these Corporations would b eP c i i_ , served, as they n ow are, exclusive bodies.—(Cheers.)sti I hope, is not the interpretation to be put on this Po r u r . ing ; ani I s h ou ld b e very sassy to take any hasty or Pr e y ture steps, f oun d e d on conclusions that it was not inter by the other House to consent to the foundation 01 1 0 .--• institutions in Ireland for the management of local affairs (Hear,) But another course which he might be told _ o ld be taken by the other House was this, that they say, " We will take out of the Tithe Bill all that . I n il i a pleasing to us, and we will put into the Corporati on se rf Lona ' kno w something that will be displeasing to you."—( and laughter.) As to what this something may be la or not —as to whether it is a simple alteration of. the P r ' the jac iple whether it will entirely militate against the vital -