The Sun. — London, England, 1805-03-29 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARILIAMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. THURSDAY, MARCIir zB. I N t he Appeal, 6 4 Blaine, rty. the F i nd of Cassilis," Messrs.. RomillY and Lied were heard on the part of thi AKellent ; ordered to be further proceeded in to.ruurrow. • , The Stamp Legacy Duty Bill went through the Commit tee. The several Private Bills on the Table were pass ed, in their different stages.—Adjourned till to. 010110 W, ROUSE OF COMMONS. THVASDAY; iIARCII 28. 'Colonel .STArri..eir presented a,Petition from the Manolaaurers, 'Frad,estuen, and qnliahitania of Manchester, praying for the Repeal or Amendment ,of the Ono Bill passed last bession.—Otdered to lie on the Table. . Sir jou ts New rott brought up a Bill for' sta. blishing Provisi ,, naty y turn for Lunatics in Ire.. land ; whiCh was read,a first time, and ordered to be , read a second time this ctay se'nnight. Mr. CunweN moved, that there he laid before the House Copies of the Opinions delivered by the Attclrney and Solicitor General before the Privy Counsel, upon -mile claims of John Puke of Athol, on the Isle of Man.- 7 .ordeeca . , My. CREEVAY rose to make his, Motion re. epee - ling the claims of the Duke of Athol upon the Isle of Man. He observed, that 'eluting the last Administration an Order had been made adverse to the claims of that Peer, bearing date in August, !Stn.' He was desirous of knowing what gave rise to the sudden change of sentiment with regard to the claims of the Noble Duke, and produced a contrary Order in March last. He ,would therefore ronve,• ss That an humble Address be presented to tlis- Majesty, praying that he would dire that there be' laid ,before the House a Copy of the Order , of . (Ulundi, of thest March last; in favour of the Claims of John D P uke of Athol." Mr. ROSE. said, he believed there was no such Order as that 'alluded ,to, by the Hon. Member. Mr,CREEVEY believed there' was such an Or. . der,. Me. ROSE said, if the Hon. Gentleman persisted in his Motion, he should not oppose- the produition of the Pallet, if any such existed ; but he . thought no inconvenience could result if he postponed it for tweory.,Nar linurs, that lie might have an oppor tunity to, make the necessary 'inquiries. Mr. Ca Fry FY persisted in his Motion; it was 'Put and agreed to. . Mr. CiiEEPL4' begged leave to inquire, Whether the Paper` w hit': , h' he moved fUr on a former day Was to be produced, as it was of great. insr, , rtance in the cOnsideration of the subjett ? tie aHreherided a Peiitiun was to be presented from the Duke of TCCOCAing a compensation. When he mover} for the Paper nn a former day, he was told th it the surplus of mercy last gr.tot..id was for the weivice Of the Island, whet vas 'it ought to haVe been paid ,into the Exchequer of England. He believed there 'was an i'tlegal rant of the surf , us tiluney, and Wished the Paper he had tuoved fur should be, laid upon the Tah:e. Mr. 1;(..2.5')t. was incapable ofzivingany infanta. non on the subjea, hut at the sanie rime was tH! that the House should 'be in possession of cvety • Colonel STrn,+LeV mr v e d for a copy of the Me. mot ial:pretented to the Privy Council by John Duke of Athol.' !v it. u'w wx rose to move for several MM. relative to the butte of Athol, anti wiqtrcti i n the prutinttion of Ciupies of all the Papers tif,the Proceedings' relative to the Compensation wanted at, the tune of the Sale to Government, in t 766. ROSE'oberved, that the most regular way of proceeding would have been for the Hon. Gen_ tletnA'n to have given previous notice of his Motions. Srenxtilt having acquainted the Hon. Meru. !ter that this would have been more conf,rmable to the rules observed by the House, Mr. CUit NV EN named tOillaOrtoWo INDIA. Lord C ASTLE RE AG H rose to make his pro. ittiscri Motion relative to that part of the At of his rettent Majesty, in 1793, respeding the Supreme C o uncil of Bengal. to would shortly state that the constitution of that Court excluded the Costs. pander in Chief, as a military charader, from a seat in the Council ; and though this . a& of exclusion etas produdive of no inconvenience at the present tiny:, when the two offices of Governor. General and critt minder in Chief tyere lodged in the hands of two.titstinetindividuals, yet in the event of the two oftl , ?es being united ,tn.ont person, it would be ne. ce , ,sary to sospenti the operation of the Ad, and aneble the East India Company to grant the same p ow ee t , to the, Cominatider in Chief which he had orrrierly ifiqrd in 1793. The Supreme Council foovu l c d ~1 the Governor. General and - three Mem. ilto. Jr alight harpen.that the Governuf.General, Commander in Chief, might be obliged to take the hdd,. and letd the Army: In such a ease, lie would he under the controul of the Supreme Colin. as having site chief management it, civil affairs, r h i y.ll might obstruct his measures, and render is i n yossible that he shoul.s. take the command in 'person. The duties a Commaneey in: Chief, in such an establtshmeet as that of 'Bengal, re..• quire that more chats ordinary powers should be illJecti in his hands ; and as it is designed that it E lloold.be !Jolted with the civil office of Governor Georral, it is requisite OW 'he should be Member of the Rnpreme C, until, that he may be able to tale the field uracloggA, aed cooddi his operations with vigr,Ur aid ~ticecsJ„ The measure now proposed worth! not 'affed the emolument of the individual, The N rd pilr,tgais ColtriwALLis) when in hefutc, 'held the situation, and performed the Auty Cummoider in Chief, but without being tr.neeitc-d by J oy emolument on account o 4 the, office. .htild nut be recessacy to dilate fur. Chief in India to be one of tile Supreme Council of Bengal, not withstanding the office of Commander of Fort William and the Office of Commander in Chief are invested in the same person. ,, Mr.. FRANCIS said, that he felt hiniself obliged to take nbtice of one of the suppositions upon which the Bill proceeded, and that is, that, upon the arrival of Marquis Cornwallis in India, suppose, six Months after" his departure from this Country, it is possible he may find India involved molt state of War, and may immediately take the field in person. It, is certainly necessary that such an, event should be provided for. It did not appear to him that any new powers; Were by this measure intended to be given to the Maiquis Cornwallis ; ,but if this should he cute case ho felt no inclination to oppose it : and this for two reasons ; first he thought theexigency of affairs in In dia might make it necessary that some extraordinary poWers should be given to the Commander in Chief and, scondly, the good opinion he 'entertained.of the wisdom'and,integrity of the Noble Lord , made hi m less scrupulous in committing to him a spore than ordinary trust. He did not know' a man of whom lie entertained a more exalted idea, with respect to , charaCter, and in whom he should be more willing to lodge such extraordinary powers. He placed the firmest reliance on his wisdom and moderation, and thought he deserved very high applause for taking upon him such a command at the present time. 'He believed the . Noble Marquis went out with the desirable motive' of composing the disor 'tiers of India, and restoring Peace to that ditoraCted Country. • Lord ARCHIBALD fiAmILToN gave notice, that he should on Tuesday next move for a Committee on the Corn. Bill. Mr. FOiTitit brought up a Bill to amend the ACI. for preventing Frauds in the Spirit Trade in Ire land.—Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time to.morrow. !VII% FObT Et brought up the Irish :Promissory Note Bill ; which was read a first time, and order. ed to be read a second time to.tnurrow. The Innkeepers' Allowance Bill was Bead a se- Coma lime, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. Upon the Motion of Mc. Rose, the House went into a Committee on' the following Bills, which were lead a second time, and, the Reports ordered to be.received tomorrow : viz.' The Foreign Ins. port and 'Export Bill ; the American Commerce Bill ; the Foreign Ships Privilege Bill ; the 0100111 Additional Duty Bill; the Exci.e Duty Bill; and the Spanish Wines Nil. MILITIA REDUCTION BILL. On thi Motion being put for the House resolv ing into a Committee of the whole House on the above Bill, General FITZPATRICK lose to suggest What to his Mind would be a rnosi desirable improvement, and to give notice that he should, in the Committee, move for a Clause to effect the object he had in view. What he allUded to was limited service., Inlhe Bill of 1799 there was a Clause introduced to give the option of serving for five years only, or during the war, or till six months after the termination of the war. He did not think it wise in the House to de part from that system, for which reason he:wished to see the Clause, of which he had given notice,jo. troduced a Clause which would, lie believed, Mitch more tend to render the measure cifeCtual than any at present in the Bill. By the Aft of 1799 the SerVice•waklimited to Europe; •but of the, expedi. envy of adopting that further. limitation, the House would judge, should it do him the honour to adopt his Clause. • Mr. ELLISION said, 'the Bill was neither on. c o nstitutional nor unjust : and if it' was tie Motto of the Constitution reimer to bend or bow yet as the Militia was but one branch of the great tree . of the Constitution, the Militia might be constutiOnally made both to bow and bend, to receive alterations, not only without violating the ConstitntiOn; but so as at once to maintain it, to guard it from the in ctoactiment of real violations, and by extending the sphere' of its conservative power, to keep off the blights of time from the sacred body of the Con. stitution. He would , not admit that the Bill would be a Tax on the :landed interest. , The Militia was originally, 'however, 'more. a taxation on the larded interest than on any other. It was a wring idea to suppose that the • Militia was raised fur its own defence merely ; for what Would be our situation, if, on the call .ef .danger, the York or Lincoln Militia were to refuse to serve any where but in its oWn county theie rea, sons, he thought the Bill neither unconstitutional, unjust, nor oppressive. As to what was said of its being a breach of faith, it was not that, but a com mutation. Still he admitted that nothing could jus tify the measure but the necessity of the case. ' With respeet to mens' feelings, he could only say, that he neither felt himself insulted or degraded by the Bill, and should tell his men, at the head of hia "regi. merit " Here, soy lads, is a better way of serving, "your Country, and I know you will choose the het. ter way." He took notice of the remarks cu .the • paper signed by the thirty Militia Officer's, men. mined on a former night, arid said, that although he present at the Meeting of these' Of t iosso, lie had never understood that any Resolution was passed, and had never signed his name to any, al. though it did appear in the published Resolutions of that meeting. . Earl TEMPLE said, that the Hon. Member was certainly present at the meeting,, and expressed no sort of dissent from the Resoluti ons. •Mr . , ELLISTON, iii explanation, did not deny .114. s iog been present, but as to theßesolutionS, there were, in flit, none proposed while, he was present, or none which, from the confusion and u p roa r (a kragi), he could understand. But, most cer tainly,, he, signed no Resolution 'or Resolutions whatever; and he cautioned Gentlemen how they went to Meetings in 'future, the Resolutions of which might be inserted in the Public' Journals, with their names, without their authorities. Colonel F I?..INKL AN!) justified the' Meeting, and in a speech of great zeal opposed the Bill o He wished that every man in the N Empire wools! turn his attention to military subjetts, in order to the Countrthe lull benefit of its - whole ta. dept in y t s new d e r iv i ng st uation of the world. 'Sir WILLIAM ELFO___:RD declared, that the Lord STAlntr said a few 'Words: when the 1 Masi divided on the Motion, To go into the Commit tee I/3 • .A,g,tiost it • - 49 Majority .: The House then went into a Committee ; Mr. ALEXANDF.It in the Chair. A short conversation took place between Mr. GILES and the CHANCILLOR, of the EXCHEQUER., respeeting the Preatribli of the Bill. Me. GILES wished, as the Bill wait a virtual repeal of so 'much cube Defence At as relates to the gradual, reduCtion of the Militia, that it might so be expressed in the Bill. Mr. PITT admitted, that it would he a virtual repeal, of that Att, in the sense it was described by the Hon. Gentleman, but suggested, that as the Preamble was never voted until after the several Clauses and Amendments were gone through in the Committee, the better method would-be to reserve any alteratiOns that should be deemed right to be wade in the PrFamble till the Clauses and Amend. merits were so gone through. The CHAIKMAN now read the- first Clause, when • Mr. YORKE prOposed the Amendment 'of which he gave notice i n substance on Tuesday last. He wished •a power to be granted by the Bill to the Crown, to enlist into the Royal . Marines and Artillery, but to exclude the Guards. • Mr. PITT had no objeuion to the House gjir. ing a discretionary power to His Majesty. to assign a certain portion of the 17,000 Militia to the Royal Marines and Artillery. He could not,' however, concur in opinion with the Right Honourable Gen tleman respeaing the ,Guards. The Foot Guards were a body of men in the highest degree'qua. lified • fur the must important branches of the Pub. lie Service. After a few words from Sir WILLIAM ELFORD, Mr. WINDHAM, and Mr. YORKE, the Clause was amended, by the insertion, after the words " Re. gular Forces," of the words 41 and Battalions of Artillery, and Divisions of the Royal MiirineF." The Clause for empoWeting the Commanding Of ficers of Militia Regiments to set apart, in the first instance, the Quota •of each Regiment, was next moved. On this a conversation arose between Sir Wit.. LIAM PULTENEY, General TAR . Lt TON, 1/31'd STAN. LEY, Colonel SLAM, General Noivrott, Earl Temple, and Mr. Parr. - The General Officers wished the Colonels of Militia to be deprived of that power. The Colonels of Militia thought it almost their right p. though they were-willing to receive it as a concesSion. Mr. PITT adhered to his opinion, that the Commanding Officers ought to-have the power, and did not dobbt but that, when this Bill should be passed into a law, here, as in all other cases, those Gentlemen would honourably, impar, tially, and patriotically use their best endeavours to carry am law into full Oral. The Clause was then read and agreed to in its ori. ginal form. Several other parts of the Bill were then read, and, assented to with little comment. On, the Clause being proposed, whichdireas that ten guineas he given to each Man on his enlisting into Regular Service, some opposition was made by ,Lotti STAN, LEY, Si! WATK I N WILLIAMS WY NNE, and other Gentlemen, and as the House was about to divide upon ir, Mr. FOX rose to express his hopes that the Com.; mince would not divide on such a . ouestion, as it seemed to involve the merits of another, he meant the ciuestion'of putting the whole of the British Army on limited service. He was sure that the division proposed would lead to a conjeaure that the. Commons of England had increased its judg. ment, and given its decision on that important oh. , jet}, He certainly intended to bring this matter forward for grave investigation on a future , day, and he trusted, that this Island would not he the only country where unlimited Military Service was to prevail. From the peculiar freedom of the Bri. tish Constitution, vsbich was the glory and ,happt. ness of the Kingdom, it should appear to be the most opposed to such a system, and it seemed most natutal that the same spirit tit liberty should per. vade our Civil and ,Military Institutions. The CiiiINCE.I.LOR of the 'EXCHEQL,MR said, he did not wish to rotted the business before the House, by deviating into any thing irrelevant ; hut, as the subjea had been collaterally, introduced, he would so far satisfy the Honourable Gentleman as to assure him, it had undergone the serious at. tension pf Government; It was, however, true, that great difference of opinion prevailed regarding it, and at least in one respect those who-had been consulted on the oocasion, seemed petiettly'agreed, namely, on the impolioy, and even impraftitabL, fity of iffeaing. this measure during war. If, therefore, it should be submitted to the' House, in the existing circumstances, he should be under the necessity of opposing it. In answer to the obser vation on this 'comparative situation of . the Mili. tary in Foreign,Coun tries, it might be urged 'that the condition, in many, essential respeCts, was so dissimilar, that no fair comparison would be ad. . . 0 . , Mt; FOX said, the objeaion on account of the War might be easily removed, as the limitation of service need not take place before its termination. The CiIANCELIOR of ifre EXCHIQUER reluctantly saw , this matter intrude itself on the bu. siness of the Committee; he would now only briefly . remark, that the suggestion of the Hon. Gentleman would not diminish the difficulties , attending such a measure at such a period. The Chose was then read and agreed to without a division. Mr. Pm' submitted a Clause, emEling, that no Volunteer from t 1 Militia under 5 feet 4 inches stature, should be received into the Lime. LordTEMPLE observed, that by the Militia Laws, 5 feet 2 inches was the lowest stature at which Recrnits were taken in the Militia ; thus it was obvious, that it would be a hardship on the Militia Officer to be called, on to turn out none limier 5 feet 4, inches. He was free to own, how. eve-r, that in general they were boys of the sta. tote of 5 feet z inches who were taken into the Mr. 1:1TT could not think of giving u p t h e Claute, If they were in general buys who were so becoming men,_ be most of them of rho suture re • quired by his Clause. After a few observations fro m Sir Woos WILLIAMS WYNN e, General TAR LSTON,IOId STANLEY, the question was put and ag reed to. A conversation arose between several Members respeding the possibility of Serjeants of the Line tampering with the half sec apart by the Command ing Officers. Sir WATKINS WILLIAM Wren: deprecated the interference with the, Militia, ° I that dangerous animal, a Recruiting Sequin (a b ad laugh). Mr. PITT reminded the Committee, that by th e Bill the Recruiting Officers of the• Line could nt 4 enlist from the hail set al)art by the Commanding Officers of the Militia, or, if he did, his triPtY , incentives, and persuasives, woul d all be employ :4 in vain. The House having resumed , the Report war "" ceived; and ordered to. be taken into further conti. aeration tomorrow. It is understood that the Bill, with the A mend ' ments, will be printed, "and ready for deliverlytake hi Saturday next, and that the third reading wil place on Monday next. IRISH MILITIA. Mr. PITT gave notice, that he should to.mutrot bring forward a proposition relative to the of Ireland. MARQUIS CORNWALLIS. n,'; ha Lord CASTLERBAGEI bruoglir In the DI" ' moved for in the catty pin of the evening, `.,1 conferring certain powers on the Goveraork til`f. of India, &c. which was read a first time, s 4° dered to be read a second time to-morrow. Adjourned. AtutivEro—r Hamburgh, MALLS Dublin 2, Waterf/d. Du it —t (..;otteliburgh, .t Dublin, t Water 14' PRIC.E O} SfOCKS TIIII DAY AT rwatvio'cLact. a ConsGls . . 55 it Omniurri THE SUN'. •--• SOLEM QUta I.SUM AUP'OII LONDON, FE.IDAY, MARCH 29 1805'. me b ee d"A s state teynetnhhetethail the t the r e i s c, r y little cb ::I : have received privlte Letters froro l' 1 ` );/ '' ''14 t 1.-'11.1111airial;1:i3:1:1$::1441: : :1111:1 ; ---------- bt adopted new Constitution sent from liran° w h ill t" aP . farce eo P i e t o i n talk general of chtotafe:nv:sieniipntal Legislat ive t d t i insen:odafltshdv Hollan d, c ' l li i u P rh i C hla S F l ui lt iC' e t i i z h i : s : r lP g ia:a gs d c n alv l e e bb s l t :s ca . c : : ,, l i i l to t t ec o: , eery caused by the tyrannical restraint* oe i i , or s etce, that it would be almost impossible to " g ejo , m required. Every artifice , is employed ,to t. dice the public mind in favour of 'the NO C GPli e it is i many of the restriction. upon trac ts ar tio ' or i . s , said* to be taken off, arid the striae° °l o re ts o_ to be promised far the future in the eg en t o I public money. Among I Of g e" l IP p lans 4l to mots the principal one is that which 0 13 ' , if he Army •it • • • rste e" threet • ' lB proposed to toot po ils ito Companies into two, by which toe s it i s of Officers will be greatlY reduced:ololl ulpseeirrtsreorhbopaweyonissedliedlded.e.oostnhfl Tyil the e a een l lfdrFottrhone:rpiilceultril,aoininidee s f : o : : ,r i fi :i c i s tis ; l ° :: y o i hi : more completely of Holland Oppressorti. llarllis'l Republic is not to have ani 'Ambassadors 4t ' 10 In ~. tic CQ" - , Corsets but mdeerecliyafeediomthrnaterictliociUtUAregc t a li t e s :::::: other words, the whole of their (iiPl au ' a— i th'" will be concluded by the French Minister* $ Courts. jar:do:cool:co:I:es:not ivis $ 1 T H I/ Expedition t intrulP, -, ! ill 1.--.......---nder, the co .1 of G' l4l wiII,CRA/G- ... 0 eal o f ' we 11A VC reason to believe, - --1 l ow the nex t wetk. The Troops are neoly 411001'A rviv Ejiwuitxuarri.;:ze..invheocruwnimi aiCiethdßiviiArteclasrGiptraeaye.netelteordta4 t,uolotiktul:::e0111:t:j01011: a m14'3160E1, it must of course remain 1 " r 5 1% 0 ' ed for of conjecture ; ,that it is, tp,vever ,i,,,,1 tptihrleearstesinrnbt ephoealaialitill[doaaien:Ste:iin:padSift:aamWitYnecasSnliEle:lve,raTt:vil'ievvecchrdaa'ae.ltivpthr:iie°C:'l,A''er:l4EPliceeiY,djr,,:°;ll,l):'ilcc'''4''oltil,riltlifitlf rendezvous generally believed :that the tuhul 4 .11pie is destined Russian FOtee in the Mediterranean, or os'lloo/ a s very probable t h t r 1 , L„. i Niinoro I of a _t te reuuctson 0 . i „atO of the ed with very little difficulty : the G'rri°lllsolll.°' primary objects in vu Di e c° ''' e o` we'ak,. and the 'Ir01,), I bLi I Were *Oll opt r j ril l " force IC were, we know, cJvturcd bY,ldt) SON. 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