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~,t. t b ;front the Exelleen e'r, and . by -. 1L1• - '-Accomptant d from the 1 ii,,,,1e,•_. ' 'and lost. The money had , een .. .. ~ _ „tit 11 al. - o and being advamed Treasury to Lord Greif% ii, , ' s lot also. • The by him for the Public gervice, .7• 1 , ssa - me , and the *nature of both the -transaftions Wa..t 1. -.-. e. I He came same mode of - discharp was applicab On nOw t the 40;000i. advanced to Boyd. had` H . " I,le Gentlemangone this point the . .....otionra- . . 1 i't the Ham- into transact not conne6tec...wit a 1 5 had the Loan, which bargh •Bill,s for' instance, and . . Committee of the - • both been submitted to a thi-e other points, which of Commons; and two or. f in uiry in the House. bad ben ma d e the subjeeni 0 . (1 the Loa n ' s - f or 1795 Tile l io nourableGentleinan said the first Lain `g•l'zelose Loans. h e faa xvaa, that fine for th- . 6 •)f• the year was , 'in openloan. , - series ( i a close Loan, --, • . , se,•!ond Loan, in December 1.7915•,.wa•Lein. . At the ant that in 17gtf Was • 4}s° a.'c's in 174,5 the instal 7 tinie of nrikitig the .second L odi7 :it:R.!. .i good, and the merits on the •first Were . not yet in g t'ro o d faith, Giv , -., .courseprecluded by :, s traniLat was of co. fromcontr4ing with an y other parties. ' The same. was-the case with respeel to tic :nstaLrnolit of the se rand. Loan fo r 1795, when the Loan -in April 1 79 6 was contritefol.. If all thes e Loans had been sue• ithont any cessiVely given to • the bouse of -Boyd N) , ,, . susp,... . ground, there would have been reason to true t. 13.1 t the . tome undile favdur to that 'house. - the __‘, first !ate of the • c.:~.se was, 'that they obtaineddl.s . and Loan for 179,5, by Irincr the .highest bid . L ? ~.. .., the two following' Loans; off the,:good' faith of . i. r ° t o etl IrwaS unneces,,a y rtonent, as he had. - ex.plain .• • he circum , tot , to advert More particularly t( If d t been tree stances of this transadion, because the/ thef a House. i 11,12iett• of an inqUiry by a.,Committee,. °,. . catiLie.,:- . ,t„,„4"'ti-ffritsla reaJ.._the Resolutions Or tnar .... . He , ........._.... tvtlie'-"sltb.ea. ...7 teea, ;. rise th ly weke strof77l-1-- - tO:him, be '''°old not say this was matter of pri'L . e : . , . The " le e what he bad done was but his dut)•• ~ . 'bidding was in s ystem of pinting the Loan . up- to ,a ..1,. - • trod putting by Mai, . and thelighest piper Of the u. i was '''er64laeknowled t '' '• s b , neficial, effecl ginen . of " - . -that a de dhy , nithing mote 'stroll . gly than . Prove;n from it, even: by him, tell under the , suspi-. '" 11 of beiii,• intended to . obtain But influence. tile tesult of the Inquiry.inAituted on this suspicion.n. , ,‘,7a,s, that the practices usnal in - former • times its Thee L 'ili reS -. e ~ . tc.l to in this, instance. ilk were not .re,,or .. ttsolutiOn of the C onnnittee was, that the system_ _ I°l competition was introduced by him, and aae ad d . 1 , 11 P °4 with inuch benefit, but that it could not be the he, to her :., consistently with that attention to nt 1 rights of k individuals and the. honour of Governme iii. I, l ' lic ' 'mld tterer With propriety be 'depart! i c . tro 0 _ was rich .say• sornetoing in expanatton tt-l'e tra4sa4ion of the Haalburgh Dill, for there were `"'"Y Gentlemen now in the'HOUse Woo might . other._a. Wise be misled • 1 ' w.ta reined to it. This transaction 11 • ' 1 1 1 , s° , beet,. made the subjekt of an itivi4lrY h ere i• an . 4... it , . 1 '" 'leen. found, that it was benae.isial for the time. The.llotionraole Gentleman . aid, the House' as no lati4etl with re• pea to it,, a:, • th previous question . has e arried up ,i i the Resolutions:Th*4s maY,P°llll.7 bz 1 ,... ' . . e. bath?. course th.. House would, adopt this _mg,n,:• .. . when Itesolutions of fad were moved with the f l i t.- tetition, to found tflon them condusioAls nor warr,-a.lbe tf!acl,' itt)4.-i- tW2,m(ist p,rper course to get rid of the tx:.l. wilhout Corning to any ReTti. letion UpOn , them, ' If' • . bc.rfctavaly the ,- 49 Practical COnolttilOg.Wds ttl.. to Ic e , of faa was.u,selqS, for- he supposed House tO I.„Vii all think it. necessary for tLie lie-- , 5 . ' - "''" all pos,ible .facis, when 'the Resolution ma rto, n a Iti,,,,.„'''Y t 6 he atteneed - with'. any - possible' con- . i;' - ''-e• On t. 11,, Resolutions . th 4 the Ham ea,r„.!, ~, ..., 1,,,e - ' 1- '''' is dr*l , Walter Boyd; Jun. were ~_.., .. it •)) 1i01ti1.1,',.1 to bring the Tieesury ) ,Crepute,„lhe „hit k .e Illyide4; the Axes Went , .n i , the - Tel forth ; , 1 e. ' -e r'! Mr. Jekyll, .a Ilember_ol. that ..I. oos ~ a.tid another I\l ' "'"' n ','er of that House, '..llr.Whitbrtfad, 4 wthe number NVUS • 8 ; the nufrther on the other side ~.,1°0: n. 'Whatever may have been .the K°"-I,rd*" ha; 7entlernaj he should , t's mode . of thinking risen, hi u 6 eii4rNveti :1:i would at this time thlnk. the opt- , , 11 of the majority of the House entitled to , .more Tt'Pekt than he had 'showed for it on -this point.-- Ill ' a ' Y ix' hn . : ' .l h of the 4 0,9Q (11 • vi as in , ppase t tat the. advance. tit; . re t ll lll tor the acce 4 nruodation given to k)1? rit ' l i l 4 . ent by the liainlii.irgh Bills. , But the - - whple . on 416t1 e anle to this, Whether 'there was not advaPtiblie grounds. •an apparent RecessitY 'for , the an,p,ll,ce-? There were faas on record which he nay ~,'- e (L 'l ' t l l to. wi thout • stAinl any thing oii his own Of ti','. l''ronithese fa 't.s it appearacl, thattlie house speo,Y,",,". tenfidd, . and Co' . were, with other re , locutc Perionwontra-t l'. ors, for a Loan of Eighteen (.3t .i t j u l ons, a n,i _ ~,.,.....,, another of Six. Millions, for the servie!. totir,-ele'"1" 175. ,Both these Lotins were in the i b od , °' fraYMent, and an. instalment was to be fri t , : ~e 0 4 th 6 b, : A ' d ion , 13 V I , : t I Y ',Lay on which. this accorinno a ttlay r ' en ' Tile ROIL Gentleingt ;;apprised' they to parfoltave:sold tileir serip at a profit in the earlier. • . t o ,: the ye:lr, iiid that they . May, 'therefore, alford : . th e ' :e i itl order to enable themselves to make good thatpjytnents then due. Th e faa . was, hoverer; th e ,. !'eY had not parted with their scrjp, but, - that wirtritievd it at in their own hands at the time. ' Tne thig matte les exiniined before the Committee, to whom tr. i. r t. ,. vias referred; allowed the general distress, • lilt at t'-i,'‘.vat called, scarcity of - money, 'which was Ifitea 4 -113 t irile, and the; extreme -clitlictl4Y t hat cl ever Procuring m on ey On distant securities, how ood, even G'o ' 'ties or India .uonal, u ucit. .. t ernment securities .. ~ r , LPre4ented i rtnes e c ircumstances, , the hovseot Boyd itzlitt t lat-they could i!ot make good their in , h . ents Witham 4.1" 'l' .1 they' could- not roviibly r ., ; ,. , , leis cud, w lie i . of{' her e here, raise ° Y any other mean's, It was neces - I b -c' rnak `' 'orne observations on the evidence fin der ~,,,,Trolnolid, which tril •be otherwise • lilli th '''''''' ' 'A's c,s Y - •a s it partner, ones not . • ..,ntletnata,. who m ~., , .qu a i nt __, . a prineipal one, and maybe suppwcli ac . at * st e '', w it]) the wh 1 'l.e oft liesecireuinst'ance3, stated 1,1,, taat th e :- v ... . . li t • but D assme, , tit onhi s _ r !"ere under-no etn arr .. • t he'tin stooo the examination, eiplained Ina .. 17 16 ,..L110 question to apply to the first Loan. of . 10 11 y .:°,r that fterwards they certainlY were ll' tht til4l',barr4o6(l, The g6neral erbbarrassmeii!ls Non e rik. which rendered it - imssible to raise l e Yon ti ti to iha ~..ie•settle•ties this- house had, and 'which le - ‘Kopy i , .fh ' . •a s a B otic I Or e i n ev 14C 0-t it min payments o ,t 1 , P 11 the e e•rY.9ll-tl's retnembrance. It was re6,:)tcled °l7l44,,,4l'moittee of the fitlnSe.' It -was giV en in anl.horits• as the ° Pinion of -a. Gentleman . Mao .c aild Y 'l O on . •' f 1 - , i ,.„ wo o , (- \you t • doubt (Mr. 'Thornton), "t4atioray il °llPrirtheities Of it roam Ole V l d birekie . I 'vi'l ay Governor, -DeputyAir9Vernor, fi r . r•of the-110.ak -of Englantl, were iitique to ~.L Thik (-' i .ne i ,- ~.e.littetll.lll authority went ,',..;‘, that th 1- . -•e ,Lace. , 4l ; fB. I coul d not have 0 ovt . i: ! ! , old enougti of Scrip to satisfy the oc . Cii&on _Without . letvieg -increased the dicount eponit, considerably., beyond fifteen per cent. at v. hlciiittheh Ava ; the nesessary consequences - of thii great and'dis ad-vantageous s 14 ,would have been to e`xpese wants of the liou4e,- and :_to have brone;ht a run upon...it, which would have 'occasioned. it; immediate ruin, and , coupled with the .extensive connexions of that house, spread distress-andonis chief for and: Wide; There was no doubt that the etre& of siach, .a failure al such a time 'Wotild have.' .rendered the hegoliation of a' new loan, if it' should be pratSticable; eitremely disadvantageous;. infinitely beyond,4o,oool. The,loss ;dvaece, was not So much as six-pence; bY the reftisat a logs of inlu .. 7 tifnes 40,b0b1. -would have arien, 'and incaltula,ble • miseniet beeides: The transactions which Boyd was employed at the time, between this Country an! the Continent, may' be disapproved by many, and the mode•in Which they were . condueled also. But in his; opinion, they. most important, Ad the remittances, of which Boyd was the channel, were aftemeards' approved by Parliament. The- State.nf Europe: - at the tine formed a material part of the consideration necessary to form a corred judg ment of the. matter. It •was also the : period of the coiriMencernent of the disturbances in' lee ' land, I the threatof invasion f that Conan s si o y, and the other causes, the combination of which led' , , . 6) the . stoppage of the Banks tare North, and afterwards to the' stoppage of the . Bank itself. ,Was that a time when a question' of the, advance off 1.40,0001. was to stand in ,the way of considerations of such vast and general inip9rtance? The gOuse, Wonld not think so, unless it . Itad a different view of .-the eiremiistanceinthan. struck„ him; . b . ut , if there 'was any:penalty, ifth ere was even ,that penalty to fol.. low whichll l erated the heaviest• f a. all that could hap pento him;with t:.e eneeption of only one, it Would not equal that i self-condenination which would have I 'followed him through life iliie had, from a regard to. l personal respc;nsibility, disobeyed What he felt. art I dispensible and imperious feeling of duty, 'The Hon. 1 Gentleman said, ho shoUld.have Made more inquiry into the circumstances of the house, and that might have led hini tb the knowledge of the approach of their insolvency. But the Hon. Gentlenian himself. allowed, that the retardation of that insolvency would, have , been good ground for giving 'the accommoda tion. He thought the embarrassment temporary, because they came' to him not with Mere assurances of general solvency ; which would have given im mediate distrust---hut with good- - , - though distant, sc curitie4, suing that they could not negociate which he Knew to be therfaa. They came on . the , morning of . the day on which the Instalment. was to be paid, and if an inquiry was to be instituted by a Committee-of-the House, by hiS Noble Friend Lord Glenbeivie, who had been alluded to by Mr. Smith, or, the Direaort of the Bank, that-disclosure whiCh it was so necessary to avoid would have. 'been guatdea against; ondAhe aid would have been delay ed Oa time when the private benefit could not be derived from it, and the public mischief would have been beyond the reach 6i. guy remedy from it . 'Fhb T failure of . the houSe . .had given 'rise to much of i • that recrimination Uwe' on such' misfortunes ; but. he was astonished,tl!e Honourable Gentleman . hal , ' recourse to a private pamphlet, written with mo tives of partiality, rather than to, the, Report of the'. Committee of* House. Any embarrassments the house rhay have been under,. even if lie was acquaint ed with 'theca-could be no•groinid of Charge for his making the advance, 'because he had got securities. , As to - allowing, ;this- house te, bid for subsequent Loans in 1797, 1793, 'and - 17;99, or 1800; he 'had only to say, that the Bank Dire&brs were Always present at : thaiiiddingse that it-Was apart of their duty to the general security of, the,:. credit of the Country, to give 'into, union; if there was any rea , son to doubt the eesponsibility of any of the bidders. In obedience to the:sense of the Dheiliors he reinsed, to receive the biddings of a house (Strange and "Dashwood) 'particularbr..conneaed with persons foi whom he had .the highest regard; but no such r, card ct'eald ever.inflUencelim to depart from the :,v,t.cin whivia . his duty to his Country . &dated.; lii Nov. 179,3, the circumstances which led to ar d iubt the ultimate solvency ef the house of 'Boyd came to ,the knotedge of Mr. Thornton. ; It was not till ing : thit Mr. Thornton thought it necessary to cOmMuniCate thali To him; • and in April; 1799, i he a4ted upon the information; by mot • allowing that house to bid. It. was ,a part of the duty of the. Governors of the Bank 'to give 'this infortnation. ' If . they,did . not give it before, was lie'to blame for not . .having aaled as if h& had received it ? - He knew the general • fad,' of the difficulty of' raising money an the most undeniable . Securities.. Ire knew that it was felt by houses as solvent as the Bank of Eng land: ' If under all these circumstances, the House required atonement frontliin for having voted as he did, there was no atonement it' could require' that he would not be ready to give rather' than have the eonscieusness of having failed iii what he conceived A most iniptiratiVe duty. If the Ijousein ifs. Jtstice should think his conduct free from Warne, direa,., or. implied, the House would acquit him without reserve. ,If it' should' be - Aholight that he Was" • blameleSs, but that the COnstitution wanted security, against the-misuse , Of the. precedent,. he- was ready , to conform to, whatever 'the House thought neces sary in 'this sense, also. , If he.had..not comedown to the House 'to 'call for' a' Bill , of In4innitY, he stated before the-Committee the inapropriety of the disclosure of the circumstances of the transaction in the first instance.' That disclosure could not take place for a s -long - time; without involving the de strdaion of the houSe. When the , failure of the house did • take place in the end of 1799, or the Spring Of igen, between three and four years' after , the transaction; he confessed it did not occur to him as a necessary part of his duty tobring:forward the whole Of the btisiness• to the. house merely to ob tain an Aet of Indeinitity:' 'Fbe-tranStitaion did not .$4 ditiell upon his Mind. If it had' beet'i business 'on , which he .felt a sense of comprmaion, a th ing tbathaunted his mind in the way the Hon. Gentle man seemed to think it sheuld, he woula have.un-. - doubtkdly„ seized° the firsteoPportunity to set •such areas') sensations at test. But with silt tile. pressing eon.;tderations 'that bore - upon his 'mind- amidst the important and unprecel(eited. events ef the. year . eoo, he had never since adveried7te,,Ois . mutter as. a thing . vihich reqtrired such a measure: Whether he.was right or wrong iu this, he cOnfessed it most , No there was another view- of the ques 7 tion. But if at the' present time 4t , 'N,crae . nexe,s4l: • to keep the same re , '-c , rie for thePre.servation of the credit of the house of Boyd, no danger that could • menece. him weraid Induce him to violate the se ' crec so ie-i!,iosea. There' u'ere other parts of the Honourabie, Gehtleman's speech 'which- called for, some obserencon, but. 110 ; 4voold.tiet n.ow advert to them. He placed himself at the mercy of the mouse; and was reae,;: to alzide by whatever deciSien-its. jus.' tice shOufa' diaate: - • • . Mr. ILE,NRY ..4,4ISCLLES did , not 'think it necessarypoccupy the titne. of till i Jouse by going : at length in a. the disco seer after what had been - . .40 satisfaaOrily , stated by the Gentle. inan Who had .just sat: down..: Having sat on the' Committee, Which he ha el iutended every' day, he liad thought it his duty, wleen of Censure had been y,ivt n. notice of, to" enter his protest against any shell -proceeding. ; and that had brought into the situation in whith he then stood. He was happy to find, that the toile and inaitief of the. Hon. Gentle:me N.:es very dirt - el-Lilt from; Ni-hat 'he had adonted foriner P 'On thafoceasion - P • tie Hon. Gentleurn had insinuated, that:the Right -! Hon: Gentleman had been acquainted with the inisap= -plication of-the Public 'Money ; and the Houotir able Gentleman who, Sat_near hin“Mr, Foe.) had, towards ilie elee city the debate on thei,i3tii . of insinuated that the Right Hon. Ceetleman was im plated, by an observation whih he made, that'the Country was 'goVerheti- by a disgraced Administra tion. 'The tone and Manner of the Right *Hon. Gentleman this night was such as 'suited the evi ,derice. Any thing that had 'been brought out be-. fore 'the Committee Was owing to the : Eon. tlernan, who called to e6.-ry."Witncss thathad been exalnined; and put every gitestii)h bii the exaniina tion. It was, but justice .. tri say tim,, that no impe diment had been made to' the produaion-of any Book 4 or Papers that were called for.' . There Was .no Member of - title Coinnaitte'e that gelid not Ad justice to! the ability' of the ilon9nrable Gentierrian, In the course of Ls speech lie - had adverted to the testhnoriy. cd Mr. - ll.ei4es,; on Which ground, hove eVer, he did not brin e tfontiard any Resolution: The cOrnmni',icaticm_of thaeCtntlerdatiwaitztra-;ofricia), and after. having made it, it was extraordinary that he had not .given hilivelf the, trouble of examining the A6,* or its provisions, which; by, his. evidence, • .it appeared he had' never seen of heard' of. The next point to which:- the Honourable Gentleman had - alluded e. was the case of Mr. Jellieoe. On a consideration of all the . circumstances of this case, he mw nothing, and he stated it cOnscientionsly, in the evidence to - require suele Resdlutions as those proposed by the Honourable Gentleman: The next • part was that relating to the. tarty thousand pounds. The speech of the - Right HonoUrable . .Pentleman (Mr. Pitt)'; •was• -nothing bet a recapitulatiOn of The; evidenee; as all the Witnesses Shad bore evi dence to the state of public credit at thetitne, ,and the . impossibility of converting the securities .pos sested by 'Messrs. Boyd :and B.:lnfield into money.. Asl o . l .);'.hat bad been said of a Bill of Icdemnity, • alter a lapse 9f four years, the Right Hon. Gentle-' man cOuld'ilOt, heve thought it necessary, and if he; had seo i`c^casion for it, !he inight . nor at that time Bale encountered as mucri jealousy as in the-present inseince. It was unnecessary for him to add more, as he thotteet the Hon. Gentleman nad said enough to satisfy the House an.. the Country. • Uri der these impreesions, therefore,- lie , should move the pfevious. question On the Resoiutions of the Bon. G.:ltieililu,.inprdqr'aftem'ards, if the House should agree to Motion, to propose other ResolutiOns in than. sttead. The 1-1 - oerHedereber then read his first Resolution, .which, in purport vas, that the 'c advance of 40,000 i. to Messrs. Boyd and Ben field, was 'made for the purpose of 'averting con sequences that : might' be in*ious to thle credit of I the er,lntry.- On the,-Ouestion being put, The CH ,NC 1.,L0 it of the - EXCHEQUER, rose, - just to ulakea sin le observation. He wished to know whether this was' case in which it would be proper for .him to Withdraw.. The' Resolutions proposed contained hopiing, and the' Hon. Guitle-:, min who propOsed them, . I .llid dischtime:i any. inten tion of nadving them with a view to criminate him. Bin upon retesting to, a forn9 Whi i m 'Resolu tions art 'crinuaating tendency had been. proposed, he obsetml antorry made; that the ,feraber, after col icliidin 4 ; < lvhat he lind,to say in his defence, then withdrew:. It ''Was for the .House to determine, : whether the present Was a casein. which he should ba,pt tt sitnUar course.—r 4 general cry of No, Na.) The ,S PE, lIC Elt! stite,l, that it would be' pr 'the House in it 7; wisdom toAceide ; but as the. Resolu tions were not of a criminating nature,, it was his opinion 'that the ease wits not such as., to require the Right Hon. Member to withdraw. . Jilf. FOX Obierved, that as tnthe point of Order, it Would be for e the Right Hon. Member himself to judge, whether the case Was- such in his opinion„ as 'to require him to withdraw. 'The fa iwits,'that the Resolution put "froni the Chair did - -notcomnin any thing eliminating the 'Right on. Gentleman, aa,d it was a question whether any of the Relolu- tions had that t.ndetacy. With regard 'to the ques 7 'tion betore the House, he , 11.0111.1 have °Nervations to make on every pact Of it, as sutra parts here not ofth same importance with otliers. He had ane..word to prerni,e .113 to v/hat Trod ,falien from the Hon. O•entletnan who inoced the previous question. • Thit Von. Gentleman had t:ilked of the clitfereut tones•and manner now adopted, and intimated that himselfand his lion. Friend (Mr. Whitbread) had ,announced the4e Re6Oillti011:1•as crytttaiNint , matter iof graVe and serious charge itnst the' Right Hon.: Gentleman, .particularly quoting an expreAsion used by him, that the Country was. governed by a dis graced Adaliniitration.' The word 3 had been used . by him at.the . &losc of the debate on .the tith of ApriL when . the qut...tionWas, whether they shovid adapt further procee(iinE,i - s, or, adjourn over tothe fottoWing day, or ,to the ne7 . .t succeeding dity ? It was on that occasidn that he had said emphatically view . to ew . to Lord Melvjlle that they should not ed. p:oel,tt any business v.rftilst that . Noble LOrds c a Member of Administration, till they s4n,tiluduceod6 consider of,an Address to His Majesty for his r,tn9val..frorn"Qfliee,, of which thi , re seethed then no hitt:lloOn, The expre , ihn, therefore,'could not be. mistaken, tiecause the whole drift of the argument rroyedTit to be direded Lord Melville. As to what the 'Hon. Gentle Man had said , relative to ti l e.t.; ! ld el lc tt o f Mr. be shout i just observe, that it .hnd stated lira rti,ht Hon, Gentler:Owl opesite , t former debate, that the . "cage of Lis Ila , rst rion. Frencl.ll;4beettpre:r.ldged..- 77 - Erorn this betvgA to except" ' N. • had never Cast!; - he had nevor, or indiretllV, eApressed_lin (pinion;which, upon aniination, would lia .. found to havi.e Ikea pri-jude,ing the condua . of that night ii6a. y One had given rise to conieetr, , o:: .. , ..:übjeat, it. \t' the- Right" Hon.. Geatafittnan 111- . air,, . the misapplication of Xavy ignt. !a; .)ther pvp,,se; had been under discuFsion, had stated Qiat he, N•i:.S himself a party to the tr-I:l9:k..tion r(tive. to .t')e ' 40,0001. He assured that Bight, Hon hbd th9FlQuse, that he ,shauld be as sincerely so: Ty as any Gentivan, though not; perhaps;- ;ee as. .acutely as his immediate friends, if any - thing . 11 Peen discovered in the examinatiAi that could cr]- minate him. He bad differed with him itrpolitics, and liever probably more than at present ; ,yet,, though he had blamed his cOndUCt; and censured his measures, he should kr.re felt unhappy, it, , aft , :r a;!, that Right Hon, Gentlei#in - should h.: found :4uiftV of such unworthy corruption, or capable. of polliv his hands With such vile He deelaraA, that he‘had never entn.tained any. idea . of the Bon. Gentleman's being corrupt; any Mere than he He. acquitted hiM of every corruptioll, - other than' in that genera sense. .of its ari,ing outoF, neglea, of miscondua; and a want of ~iet,l-0:1:.>2 1. 9 the LaWs. • Though IiVS Hon, • Pritald brought rlic- Ward no Resolution relative to" the .conire , .ini!. by Mr. Railces, he ; was justiiied in discussiu. CI it topic. As to the o'oservaticti that _tl4, cointnailic.,- tion was unofficial, it was sufficient that it' hi,l been- made to the first Minister of the Cro the Superintendant of the. FinAnces of ill Country, whose duty it siras. 4.0 , inquire. T;I: faa was, that he had int-pair..al; aitt;;tr od ; and if he had negieJed, so to do, a heavy blaa , ;e would be attributed to hind. He agreed 'with the Right HOn. Uentletnan„ that the,case of Mr, J,: li- coe was such a .one as called for compa3sion ; ha should go further, it was a . cne pt.culiarly d i eservina; of compassion. BLit it was not tht,' complaint of ,h Hon. friend that his case had, not i been. rated,..bUt that the-statements in the Memorial of the Treasurer of the Navy had been taken for cd, which represented til6 balances. to hive accu , : . mutated betbie I Melville had 'teen Tresurer, whereas.the greater part had accrued afte:, and no inquiry instituted. He came now to the prinLitml part of the question relative to the 40,0001. and 'bogged to state the ground§ upon, which 10 lad blame to the Right -Honourable 'Gt;ntleinan. The Right Hon. Gentleman would allow, one universal rule, to obey the law in, applying - money accoi-ding to the direaion of Parlintislit.,-,..", That 'House vas- the only, judge of the appr, , apriaiiOn . of the .money it granted. It happened more :than' onc + that votes of censure Were tamed fdr "the nits application of Navy Money particularlY. He lowed that there might be° extreme cases, whi:ll., would be . exceptions ; that there maybe casts Whefe the abstaining from violating the law would he , a greater evil than the violatiOn of the Law itself; The Bight Hon: Gentleman, perhaps, thought that such cases occtired oftener than, lie did ; and wliether Case of an 'advance to Messrs. Boyd and Belied w is such an one or not, he did not pretend to On the first View it appeared an .• extraordinary transaction. The Honourable Gentleman rilientleJ the idea that public credit should. be.alfe&ed by a refusal to lend 404001 ; to these Gentlemen, and contended that they might have converted their Scrip into caW• to answer their .oeca'sions., To al low .a Minister the privilege of judging Of the state of pUblic credit, and making that the - ground of assistance to a particplar Merant,' was a mis chieveus_ precedent. THe ,was ready to admit that the accommodation had not been given through ia r your or for any Sinister purpose,' yet Still it Was establishing dbad precedent, as any other indivi-.` dual Merchant Would have just as good a,claim for assistance, otherwise this wowd appear to have.,been - an a;.-A of extreme partiality. The Hen. Gent. had said nothing of a Bill of Indemnity.. - He thouht the Right Honourable Ga:ltleman wrong in his (tecision relative to this businais; yet he - Wished that the, pression of disapprobation should be as mild possible, He did not see any well-founded jeelion to the. Motion of his Honourable - But if Gentlemen diared with him on till; ;ral jet% he was of opinion, that a Bill of j'.ntifying the motive, rio. the ata; woaal• be amen more proper than • the ReSohations of the, Ho, nourable Gentleman who had. moved the previOus question. Mt. SHERIDAN asked, if the. previous question should pass, wottid 1 Bill of hidet.Lanity be ,ealled for' by the Minister's friends ?. . •, Mr. L ASCI'LLES repeated his farmer declaration.. Glili`Y wished the Motion, 1,0 run thus ."f Thing contrary' to'law, a Bill-Of Indemnity is nu .• eessary: Mr. S. THOENTON prferred the Motion fOr the' . previous 'question. - Mr. Dl-LtoN agreed "with the Resolutions pro.c, posc~C by I‘Tr.-Lascelles, if they were to be failowod up liv a Bill of:lndemnity: a, 7 cAI4TING two . things Were .necesarir: rirst„no charaolerise the transaaion SeCond--. ly,, To .prevent it appeatin b g n:o ; : a t vi dse p tip r ai ei t c f l r f o.llici t i , na : e t fi htZe d s . o! ai tit i i ci ou ti ff , i i e ) y roir o ie ul t. d r iota of it. . . . IVlr. VC r ixnumst thonght 'it an unfair return for. the Moderation and candour adinitted by Genthlnt:iii oia . the other side kip, hav;i been - exhibit . N.f. by the Hon. Motor, and by his lion. Friend (Air. Fo.,x); to foray . them to sein to eipprove . of what tikey had not iu vesligated. AITO RAVI:Y . -GENERAL admitted, that the HonouMblq.Gentreanan who.inade-,the lion had aled with the greatest io(Ae2 - ,itio, .end, - that the candour displayed, by the other Hon. Gt!li. .tlernart opposite did hini the biglicts,t tion'our, It, liowesTr, it was .to be demanded of his r:4,7,4f Hon. Friend to omit on that account 'what was.i)cesirr f'or his own justification; he would, .lielittle rfra-, eon toGe ni ' thank the Hon.' ntleen av for trl lr candunr, which in that ca,a3 would'prove a tyorse than , their ft.witic:r iwitility. • Mr. Fox and the ATTOaS,EY-GLl , Triligl. severally.. explained. • Mr. W. SivriTrr titippottPd the Origin4l Motion. Mr. LiISCELLES PS it seetriiit 'to be the wish of many Aenbers of th© House a. .Bill of itidainity, should' be introduced, he iii.lould'rere• for,leave to'brtut 'such' & il, taking th 1t.:0142