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Durham's assistance, he would now sneak away. If he cannot give the necessary information on such sub • jects, why is he paid the public money ? And, hav ing gives the information in the first instance, why does he ask the King's Advocate's opinion afterwards? Be obtained delay in Parliament by stating that he only waited for that opinion, which indeed he ought to have taken before he gave Mr. Bell his answer.— illorning Herald. Among the nnmerous reasons which we conceive every honest man has for desiring the removal of the present Ministry, those which ought to weigh with the class called " Moderate Reformers arc certainsly- time strongest. Whatever there might once have been, there is now no chance of moderate reforms being accom plished under the present Government. The reason is, that it is impossible for any one to trust them. No man in his senses, and with ordinary habits of obser vation, can fail to perceive that there is the most ex treme danger in any concurrence with them, however plausible the project may seem at the time, and how ever vehement may be their protestations that they mean nothing revolutionary in promoting it. It is the custom (and a very wholesome custom it is) of men of good character to refuse all co-operation with charac terless schemers, even when they appear to intend something honest, and conducive to the public good. The principle upon which this custom is founded must now apply to time present Ministers. In their desperation they have exposed themselves, and they who are desirous of honest improvement will henceforth be as averse from acting with them as those who think that no improvement is required. We refer more particularly to those reforms in the Church which were so generally considered ex pedient, and some of which were, through the co-ope ration of Government, embodied in an Act of Partin.- went last session. Amon , ' the many changes which moderate Reformers insisted upon as expedient none was insisted upon more frequently, or with more plausibility, than a better distribution of Church pro perty among the Ecclesiastical members of the Church. To the remedy of that evil the Church Commission se riously and sedulously applied its labours, and in the Report of last year, signeu by five of the present Mi nisters, many changes were advised with respect to the territories and revenues of the various sees. These changes were all for the purpose of carrying into effect a better distribution both of the labours and the revenues of the higher order of the Clergy. Several of the richer Sees were proposed to be reduced in annual revenue, and others to be increased, and a variety of arrangements were to be made, all in the spirit of improvement, and of accommodation of the means of the Church to the more fair and equal support of those who filled its most dignified offices. To all these things the Ministers consented, and took great credit with moderate Reformers for their share in bringing about this Reform. The Church, or the Church Commission, had not the power to make these changes without the sanction of the Legislature, and the Ministers without hesitation brought in Bills for the purpose. They made no complaint that the Church had not proposed so much Reform as it ought to have done ; they said nothing about being made " utensils" of the Church ; but they brought in the Bills with oft-repeated eulogies of the improvement which they were thereby affording to the country. One of these Bills, relating to the income of the Bishops and to the creation of the new See of Rip pon, was passed, and the others were deferred (ap parently with great reluctance), in deference to the scruples of the Radicals. We appeal to the recol lection of the country whether the Ministers did not, all along, take great credit to themselves with the moderate party for halting accomplished this improvement in concurrence with the heads of the Church, and whether they did itot hold forth the Church Establishment Bill to the country as a satis factory evidence that they and the extreme Radi cals were of a very different mind as respected re forms ? They led the middle or moderate part of the country into the belief that, as respected the Church at all events, they were not revolutionists, but merely the friends of improvement. They procured a general impression that the policy to which they con sented with respect to Ireland could not be a Church destroying policy, for, with regard to the Established Church in England, they were going hand in hand with the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Bishop of London. And, no doubt, these Prelates, and a very large body of the Protestants of the country, thought that the King's Ministers were acting with good faith, and had brought the Church Bill into Parliament with good-will towards the Church. They can think so no longer. As soon as the Government project, extorted by the clamours and the intrigues of the Dissenters, was shown to be directly at variance with the Report upon which lrst year time Ministers rested their reputation, the truth was for the first time avowed.. The Minister, while he acknowledged that in signing the Report he had acted as an " utensil " of the Church, boasted that by the Act of Parliament founded upon that report the ancient tenure of the Church was destroyed. He gave the House of Commons to un derstand that last year, while affecting a friendly co operation with the Church, he was aiming a legislative blow at its independence. The Bishops on the Church Commission little dreamed that when they entrusted to the Secre:ary of State for the Flame Department time task of procuring an Act of Parliament for carrying into effect the improvements which they had recom mended, they were furnishing him with a pretext fur this year seizing upon their estates. But this they nOW find to be the case. Until last year Lord John Russell says he looked upon the estates of the Bishops as the estates of other landed proprietors, but by the Act of last year the principle of le g islative interference with th ese estates was admitted;Parliament last year made a new division of these estates—this year it may take them away altogether, providing annuities in their place. What the thirdsii) would he under the in fiuence of such honest Ministers, our readers may easily imagine. The alterations which were urged upon the Church by Reformers as highly reasonable—which were consented to by the Church upon the implied en gagement that Reformers would he grateful for a ready attention to reasonable requests—these very alterations are now thrown in the teeth of the Church as so many • concessions, by which the right to demand anything else is also conceded. "By vonr own reconnaenda tion, say time supporters of the Ministry, "we altered the local appropriation of Church property, and hav ing done so, you give us a convenient handle for insist ing upon an alteration of its general appropriation." L is, we think, perfectly evident that the effect of such conduct as this must be to put an end to all voluntary Reform in which these Ministers shall have anything to do. Who will put his tights or his property into their hands—even for the sake of im • prove:nent—wh e n he sees that his concession of what is reasonable in this year, will he made the foundation of robbery in the next ? How can any man, or body of men, fail to be alarmed in deal ing with :Ministers who take advantape of their own duplicity, and twit their victims with having given them an advantage when they treated them as men of honour ? Persons who have the interests of esta blished institutions to gnat(' must now feel like private individuals who know they are in the midst of sharpers. They can yield nothing, lest it should be twisted and distorted into something else, which was never in tended. Thns_an have no confidence even in those representation,ewhich appear most reasonable. Their only safety is in holding w here they are, .and preferring open battle with the plunderer to accommodation with the swindler. If there were an honest Government the position of affairs would he very different. Improve . ments would go on because they would be suggested in a friendly spirit, and they would be acted upon in con fidence that no injury was intended. Moderate Re form would proceed—all parties would be satisfied— and, whatever the ultimate result might be upon the fate of time institutions of the country, honesty and honour among public men would not be violated.— , Morning Post. - --- As tw o lads were engaged one night lately in look ing out for hares, during the snow storm in Badenoch, one happened to observe the head of the other suddenly rising above the dike. Mistaking it for a hare, he fired his gun, which was loaded with small shot, and the contents lodged in the face and eyes of the unfortunate youth. The latter has experienced great suff,ring, but is recovering.—Glasgow Chronicle. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the New London Price Current of March 21.) Suoaa.-The prices of last week have been fully supported f,,r British Plantation, more particularly for the good and fine yellow descriptions, the supply at market of which continues very short, but the mark et has been very quiet, both the grocers and refiners havii ' , purchased sparingly., more particu larly of the brown and ord. soft yellow d2scrirtions ; out of the present stock in the Docks not above a third part is undis rosed of ; the deliveries for home consumption are still greater than they were at this time last year ; the private purchases have been confined to 1,200 hhds. and trs. ; there has been no public sale of Barbadors, and node is announced to take place. The stock of `Vest India Sugar is now 12,338 hhds. and trs., being 1,251 more than last year. The stock of Mauri tius is now 63,588 bags. which is 860 more than last year, On eluding the East India Duck.) The delivery of West India last week was 2,601 lilids and trs., which is 1.224 more than last year. The delivery of Mauritius was 6,885 bag being 278 more than the corresponding week of last year (including the East India Dock). This afternoon, on account of the continued public sales of Mauritius, there is still very little business doing in the West India Market, but in the prices there has been no par icular change, ord. and brown sorts have in some instances been sold nn rather easier terms ; the private purchases have been only 11 1 350 hhds. and Ire. 3.3 hhds. and 13 hrls. Demerara at public sale were all taken in at 545. for dry brown. The Refined Sugar state has been in a languid state during the past week, both the grocers and shippers having; pur chased with some caution, and although there are but few 1 1 goods in the Market refiners have submitted to a decline on former rates of Is. ; small parcels of Lumps have been taken by the home trade at 78s. for those rather under the standard, and 80s. for those that would pass, and 365. Gd. a 375. for double Crushed for future, and 38s. for immediate delivery ; for a smr:ll quantity of liambro Loaves free on boar:l42s. has been paid ; Bastards have been good in request at unvaried prices; in Treacle a steady business has been done, and the prices continue firm. Dutch Crushed Sugar is neglected, and offered at 345. This afternoon tka Market was in a languid state ; the only purchases reported are small parcels of double Crushed deli verable in a month at 36e. 61. to 375. MAURITIUS.-The Market -has been quiet, the private transactions having been very limited, and 5,150 bags at public sale went off heavily at a reduction on former rates of 6d. to is. on all descriptions; good and fine yellow sold at 625. to 345., ord. and mid. 575. 6d, to 605., and 55e. for good brown ; there have been several arrivals, and there is much disposition evinced on the part of the importers to sell ; public sale of 5,000 bags is advertised for Thursday next. This afternoon there was little life in the ,larket, and 6,919 bags at public sale went off without spirit, the good grocery and strong refining descriptions went at about former rates, but all other sorts sold at a decline on the prices of the for mer sale of Is. ; very ordinary brown went at 425. to 435. ; middling and good 545. 6d. to 555. 6d. ; middling yellow 565. to 575. 6d. ; good 58s. to 595. 6d. ; and 58s. 6d. to 60s. for strong for the pan. EAST Buta.-In the early and middle part of last week Bengal was in brisk request by private contract from the grocers at fully former rates, but towards the close the Market became quiet, and 1013 bags at public sale went 6d. under former rates, ord. and mid. white sold at 295. to 325., washed 235. to 295., low and fine brown 17s. to 255., the shippers have bought sparingly ; for other descriptions under this de nomination of good quality there has been a brisk request, and rather stiffer prices have been obtained, particularly for white Siam, which are much wanted, and there are scarcely any in the Market, but in the ordinary qualities there has been little doing, and prices are rather lower; at public sale 2,040 bags Manilla were only partly dis posed of, damaged brown at 15s. to 135., sound was taken in at 19s. to 21s. ; 1,240 bags and 40 casks Cochin China, also at auction, a very indifferent and soft parcel was only partly sold, brown to good white 15s. to 20s. Gd., very inferior and wet 13s. to 13s. 6d. ; the private purchases have been 120 bags fine brown Manilla at 205., and 160 bags Cochin China at 235. for ord. white. A public sale of 3,300 bags Bengal, which was to have taken place this afternoon, has for the present been withdrawn. FoaElos.--For all descriptions there has been a good re quest, and the prices previously obtained have been fully sup ported ; white Brazil of strong grain has been much sought after, but there are few to be obtained; the supply at market of all sorts has become very short and indifferent ; at auction 184 chests and barrels Penarnbuco sold briskly at Is. advance, ord. and mid. white in chests at 225. 6d. to 253., low brown and yellow 151. to 18z. in brls.,ord. and fair white 265. to 315., and 235. for good yellow ; the private operations have been 100 chests good white Havannah at 365., and 100 chests yel low at 265. for good quality ; a public sale of 250 chests and 250 brls. Brazil is advertised for the 31st inst. This afternoon at auction 943 boxes Havannah, which went readily at steady prices, good mid. white at 355. 6d. to 36:z. 6d. mid. 335. to 34g., washed 295. to 355. 6d., low mid, yellow 245. 6d. to 255., fine 235. 6d. to 265., mid. and fine brown 21s. 6d. to 245. washed 225. to 245. 6d., grey gds. 6d. to 335. 6d. ; 70 hhds. Havannah Muscovades sold at their full value, good brown at 20s. ; SO chests Bahia were taken at former rates, ord. and mid. brown at 17s. to 19s. 6d., low white 265. 6d., soft 225., low yellow 21s. 6d. to 225. MOLASSES.-The prices of West India continue firm, but the demand has been moderate, and 297 puns. at public sale only partly found buyers ; Antigua mid. at 275; the remain der was bought in ; Berbice of fair quality at 235., and ord. Grenada at 225. ; a small parcel of good Barbadoes privately has been disposed of at 295. to 30s. The total deliveries of \Vest India Molasses from the ware houses fur home use for the week ending March 18th, amount to 2,104 cwt. COFFEE.-Demerara low middling and middling clean went at 88s. 6d. a 91s. ; Berbice low middling 915., unclean 85s. Mocha 575. a 595. for ungarbled, and 153 bales at auction sold at 71s. a 735. for good and fine ordinary clean garbled ; Ceylon at 465. for good ordinary. 147 bags Sumatra at auc tion were bought in at 355. a 38s. for low and good ordinary ; Brazil at 435. 6d. a 475., and 150 bags fine ordinary flavannah at 50s. This afternoon the only public sale of British Plan tation was that of 0-4 bags Berbice, which sold at 603. a 61s. for very ordinary unclean. Mocha was taken in at 655. a 725. for middling and good yellow. RCM, BRANDY, AND HOLLANDS.-Jamaica Rum at 2s 4d. to 2s. 63. for five to ten per cent. over proof; Demerara at 3d. for thirty over. The Government contract has been taken at proof strength-50,000 gallons 2s. old. and 23,000 gallons at 2s. 21d. SPICES.-For Pimento there has been a good request. Low and good middling at 3d: a 31d., and privately 3 4 1 d. a 31d. has been paid for middling and good middling quality. Malabar Pepper shot at 3id. a 34d., half heavy 31d. a 31d. A few lots were disposed of at 3W. a 3:id. for fair to good half heavy•. Cassia Lignea at 345. a 58s. for ordinary and middling qua lity. East India Ginger went at 18s. a 21s. 6d. for inferior wormy. Jamaica at auction sold at 51. ss. aSt Bs. for mid dling and good. The public sales this day consisted of 817 chests Cassia Lignea, and 55 bags of Pepper; the former was all bought in, good middling thin at 58s. a 595., good ordi nary 545. a 565., the latter sold at stiffer prices, good light Malabar, at aid. to 31d. TA I.LOW. —The prices continue firm, but there has been only a limited demand fur consumption at 445. 9d. fur P Y C ; fs,r future delivery there has been rather more business doing, and the price for the last three months has advanced to 200 casks Russian will be brought to public sale on Thurs day next. Paovistoss.--The Irish Butter market has become quiet. In Bacon little has been done, and prices have given way Is., small sales of prime made at 495. a 50s. landed. In Lard a steady business has been done. ludia and Mess ProviaiL,ns remain heavy of sale. In middles there has been no alteration. RICE.—The transactions in . East India privately have been iimited. White Bengal sold at 12s. 61. a 14s. ; good Patna, 153. 6d. ; Carolina, 313. a 345. The stock of East India is now 21,263 bags. The public sale this day of 2,413 bags East India was nearly all disposed of at steady prices, mid. white Bengal at 13s. a 13s. 6d. Cocoa.—This afternoon at public sale 2,410 bags Guayaquil was all bought at 355. for fair grey. COCHINEAL.—This afternoon at auction 62 bags Honduras were only partly sold at former rates, low and mid. silvers 6s. 4d. to 6s. 103., and is. 4d. to is. 10d. for inferior blacks. SALTPETEM—British Refined has met with a good sale at 30s. 6 , 1. a 31s. To-day at auction 1,245 bags were all bought in, Calcutta refraction 8 mid. dingy grey at 255. A letter from Milan confirms the rumours which have been afloat respecting a projected marriage between an accomplished young English lady and a German officer of rank and distinction. The young lady is Miss Charlotte Strachan, second daughter of the late Admiral, now living under the protection of her guardian, the Marquis of Hertford. The bridegroom is Count Zichy, a Major in the Austrian service, and Aide-de-Camp to Count Radeizky, Commander-in- Chief of the army in Lombardy. Count Zichy is also brother-in law to Prince Metternich;whoie third wife is the Count's sister. The Count is to receive from his father an annuity of 400/. sterling in addition to his pay and appointments in the army, but the lady's fortune, including her inheritance, and what the Marquis has promised to hestow upon her, will amount to no less than 200,0001. Immediately after the marriage, which is to take place after the close of Easter, the bride snd bride- gro3m will go to Vienna, and the Marquis of Hertford will re turn to London.—Galifinaiii. CRUEL ROBBERY.—O n Monday evening, between five and six o'clock, a decently dressed man arrived in breath less haste at the house of Mr. Widdersley, carpenter, Gray's Inn-road, and begged that he might see Mrs. Widdersley im. mediately. She quickly came down stairs, and was informed by the stranger that her husband, while crossing the road in Wood-street, had been knocked down by a cab, the wheel of which had passed over his leg, and crushed it in a shocking manner. He succeeded in obtaining from her a half-sovereign and a suit of clothes, which he alleged he had been sent for; and had not gone many minutes before Mr. Widdersley re turned home in perfect health, to the great joy and astonish ment of his wife, who had fainted after the communication of the sad intelligence alluded to. ‘Ve regret to learn that some of the largest manu facturing- houses in Glasgow are restricting their works to a great extent. Several Steam-loom proprietors have shut up whole flats of their factories in consequence of the depressed state of trade ; and it is said that one of the largest manu facturing houses in Glasgow has dropped nearly 1,000 of their workers. —Glasgow Chronicle. On Thursday last Peter Campbell, a confidential clerk in the employment of Messrs. Duff, silk manufacturers, of No. 20, Spital-street, abs6onded with above three hundred pounds. He had beck engaged about two years. On Sunday last he returned to the firm about two hundred pounds in ckecks. It is thought that his deficit is to a greater extent. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS. MARCH 21. The LoRD CHANCELLOR sat at Fve osalock. On the motion of Earl SHA FTESBURY the Newbold Enclosure Bill, the Transfer of Aids Bill, the Worcester As size Bill, and several others, were read a third time and passed. The Bishop of LONDON presented petitions from the Dean and Chapter of Norwich, from the parish of St. John, Hackney, and from two parishes in the county of Gloucester, against the abolition of Church-rates. Lord DACR E presented petitions from various parishe; in the counties of Monmouth and Essex, ali Fraying for the t ,tai ebolition of Church-rates. Lord RIPON moved for certain returns, the nature of eleeli was not distinctly heard in the Gallery. Earl SH A FIESBURY presented a petition from the Deanery of Shaftesbury against the abolition of Church-rates. The Marquis of QUEENSBERRY presented a petition front Carlisle against the abolition of Church-rates. The Bishop of LLANDAFF said that he held in his hand several petitions all against the abolition of Church-rates, signed by nobody but rate-payers. Some persons considered that petitions upon this subject front rate-payers only were en titled to especial attention ; but in his opinion that was a mistake, because the poorer the persons were, the lower in point of education they might be, the higher he considered their claims to the attention of their Lordships, and this was what he stated the other night, which occasioned an observation from a Noble and Learned Lord (Lord Brougham), whom he saw in his place. The petitions of those who did not, and could not pay Church-rates, could not fail to add weight to the petitions of those who did pay them. And as to the petitions in favour of the abolition of Church rates, they complained only of a local grievance, and the more that grievance was diffused the less would be the weight of it—consequently he was not disposed to attribute great importance to the circumstance of any great number of per sons signing such a petition ; and if the Noble and Learned Lord's petition from Birmingham, which he stated was signed by 19,000, had been signed by 90,000, he would have consi dered the grievance of which they had to complain the less from its extensive diffusion, and consequently not adding im portance to the petition. 'The first petition he bad to present was from the boroufh of Newport. Lord BROUGHAM said that the Right Reverend Prelate seemed to have entirely mistaken what he stated the other night, in reference to uneducated persons being less fit to give opinions upon abstract questions of State policy than educated persons. He ( Lord Brougham) had never said one word on the subject; but in answer to an observation from the Right Reverend Prelate, that uneducated persons were not the fittest persons to give opinions upon such ques tions, he had said that the very last petition which he had looked at, presented on the Right Rev. Prelate's side of the question, did not appear to have been signed by very educated persons, inasmuch as they had not been able to write their own names, but signed their names as marksmen. What the Right Reverend Prelate contended fur, therefore, was that the signatures of 90,000 persons were less valuable than the sig natures of 19,000.—e Hear.) If a certain given sum were to be paid, and if it were to be spread over 90,000, of course each individual would feel it less than if it were confined to 19,000 ; but if the sum to be paid increased in proportion to the num bers by whom it was to be paid, then the amount of rates to be paid by each individual was the same in a large as in a small place.—( Hear.) The Bishop of LLANDAFF said that the Church did not increase in that ratio. The Church did not grow, and he would contend that a distinction should be made between the petitioners on his side and those on the other. The opinions of those who paid rates were more valuable than those of non payers; but it was only fair to establish the distinction that the rate-payers who petitioned for the abolition of the rates were biassed by a pecuniary interest, and therefore this interest, pro tanto, detracted from the weight of their opinion; whilst the rate-payers who petitioned for the continuance of the rate gave weight to their opinion by the fact, that notwithstanding the weight of the burden, they were willing to bear it. Lord BROUGHAM said that, pro tanto, this, of course, had weight, but no farther titan it was worth. The Bishop of LLANDAFF then presented a number of petitions from parishes in Monmouthshire. The Bishop of BANGOR presented petitions from Beau maris and other places to the same effect. The Bishop of CHICHESTER presented petitions from the parishes of St. Pancras, St. Margaret, All Saints, St. Olave, St. Peter the Less, St. Andrew, and St. Paul in Chi chester, in favour of Church-rates. The Right Rev. Prelate concluded by presenting a petition from Chichester against the Poor-law Amendment Bill. The Marquis of DOWNSHIRE presented a peti tion from a parish in Bedfordshire, against the abolition of Church-rates. He also presented a petition from the Rector and inhabitants of Cumber, in the county Down, stat ing, for the information of their Lordships, that the parish Church was in a ruinous and delapidated state, and praying that they would take the state of the Church in that county into their consideration, and that the Commissioners should have power to rebuild the Church in question, which had been condemned by the architect of the Commissioners. Lord REDESDAL E presented a petition from Lea, Stafford, and other places in favour of Church-rates. Lord WIIARNCLIFFE presented similar petitions from Whitby, Newmarket, and from several parishes in Nottingham and Sussex. 'The Noble Lord then presented a petition from the medical practitioners in a union in Nottinghamshire, de precating the system of medical relief adopted under the new Poor. law, and also the inadequacy of the remuneration given by the guardians to their medical officers. He had never shrunk from any portico of the unpopularity which might have accompanied the 13111. He considered the principle of the measure an excellent one ; hut, on the other hand, lie thought that the point referred to in the petition had been too much strained by the Board, who appeared to have too great a ten dency to save money.—( Hear.) Lord RADNOR said, that as regarded the system of medi cal relief under the new Act it was infinitely superior to that which existed under the old Law. Lord HARDWICKE, in a few observations, expressed his approbation of the Poor Law Amendment Act. The Bishop of EXETER presented petitions from Corn. wall, Ilenbury, and tilt, Paul's. Oxford, against the abolition of Church-rates. The Right Rev. Prelate gave notice that on Friday, the 7th of next month, hit should present certain petitions on the subject of the Poor-laws, wising had been par ticularly entrusted to his care. Lord FALMOUTH pica - eded petitions from Penryn, Truro, and various parishes in the county of Norfolk, in sup port of the privileges of their Lordships' House, The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented petitions from the chapelry of Attwurth, the Grevcoat School (West minster), and St. Margaret's Hospital ( Westminster), against the abolition of Church-rates. Lord MELBOURNE presented petitions from North allerton, Minster, Elsemere, and Bangor, in favour of the abo. lition of Church-rates. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented petitions from Horaltam, 3 , larket-Lavington, and Ditehling, to the same eff,:ct. Lord BROUGHAM said lie held in his hand a petition to which he was desirous of calling the attention of the House. He would not press the statements in the petitions, nor did he mean to say that they threw discredit on all the petitions which had been presented against the abolition of Church-rates ; but they certainly did cause a good deal of suspicion to attach to some of them, The petition was front the inhabitants of Wheatley in the county of Oxford, and expressed their indignation at the means resorted to by parties hostile to the abolition of Church-rates, to procure the signatures of persons to petitions to that effect. —( Hear.) They stated that those signatures were procured under statements that it was intended to allow the Churches to go into decay.—( Hear.) The present peti tionus expressed their disapprobation of such conduct, and highly approved of the proposed measure of his Majesty's Government for the abolition of the burden of Church. rates, which was calculated, in their judgment, to remove the odium that was at present thrown on the Church, and to support that Church in a manner the most likely to render it useful and respected. The Earl of FALMOUTH—WouId the Noble Lord allow me to look at the signatures to that petition ? Lord BROUGHAM—Oh, certainly,—no marksmen.— ( Laughter. ) ' The Earl of FA LMOUTII-1 see there are about 29 or 30 signatures attached to it. „ - - Lord BIM GII AM—I did not know there were so many. —( A laugh.) I thought there were only 20. The Earl of FALMOuTti—Only it was introduced with an air of such importance. Lord BROUGEIAM—I did not say one word about the numbers of signatures—l did net even say, as some Noble Lords do in presenting petitions, that it was nume rously signed, considering the place from whence it came.— ( Laughter.) The Nont.E LORD then presented another petition, praying for the abolition of Church rates. THE SUN, LONDON, AVEDNI4_74SI;,__YI MARCH 22, 18,11. parish of St Pancras, and it al impossible it could b brou ht into operation withiJut a sii th Bill, inasmuch as the rates in several districts of the parish Varied very much. A more se rious objection was the insecure ty it would create in property, as the mortgagees under the oil .Paving Bill would be put in jeopardy by any alteration in the races. The object stated was to consolidate all the districts in the parish under one board, and yet the Foundling hospital and the Woods and Forests, two very important interests, were to be exempted, as they objected to have their tenants placed under the operation of a Bill which that House was now called upon to pass. It would further have the effect of involving the parish in endless litigation and expense, as it would place the whole dominion in the hands of the vestry. Sir SAMUEL WHALLEY rose to order. The Bill would not confer any extravagant power upon the vestry. Mr. TOOKE resumed—There was nothing to prevent vestrymen being elected on the Board. It the promoters t,f the Bill had attended to the suggestions of the Com Mince which sat last year, they would have acted wisely, for they had been urged to divide the parish into four districts at least, to suit the wants and accommodate themselves to the exigencies of the parish. It would be very hard upon the re spectable inhabitants of the various squares throughout that parish to be placed under the dominion of perfect strangers, to have their residences placed under the controul of, and to be compelled to pay rates to, persons whose conduct was not calcu lated to inspire confidence. Under these circumstances, h e should move that the Bill be read a second time that day six months. _ _ Sir S. WHALLEY thought the case had been so clearly made out before the Committee, that he would be wasting the time of the House if he now argued the case. The gallery was then cleared for a division. The House divided, when the numbers were, For the Bill Against it Majority The Bill was accordingly lost. TANIWORTH AND RUGBY RAILWAY. Mr. TA N CliEll rose to present a petition, praying for leave to bring in a Bill to make certain alterations in this line of Railway. Mr. W A SON suggested to the Hon. and Learned Member that he ought to have given notice of this motion. The SPEAKER said that no notice was necessary to pre sent a petition. Mr. W A SON said that the Hon. and Learned Member was about to make a motion. The SPEAK ER understood the Hon. and Learned Member to say that he was about to present a petition, asking for leave to bring in a Bill. Mr. TA NC RE D said that he certainly was about to pre sent a petition, upon which lie intended to found a motion for leave to brinr , in a Bill. The object of the Tamworth and Rugby Railroad b Bill was two-fold. In the first place it was introduced for the purpose of making a branch railway from Tam , ,vorth to Rugby. There was another object, which was totally independent, namely, to make certain amendments in the original Railway. The House had disposed of one of these objects, viz., that with regard to the branch Railway ; and he had now to move for leave to make some cor rection in the original line of Railway. Under these circumstances, lie would sit down, merely moving for leave to present a petition, praying for leave to bring in a Bill for this purpose. The only object of the petition was in favour of the original line of Railway from Birmingham to Derby, and had no reference whatever to the branch line to Tamworth. Lord G. SOMERSET, though he did nut object to the pe tition being referred to the Committee on Private Bills, could not sanction the course it proposed to adopt. Mr. WASON and Sir E. KNATCIIBULL took a similar view of the subject. Sir ROBERT PEEL said there were two objects con. templated by the Bill; one was a new line from Tam worth to Rugby, in respect of which the Sub-Committee and appeal Committee had reported that the Standing Orders had not been complied with.—( Hear, hear.) The House had confirmed that report, and there was no wish to disturb it. Another object contemplated by the Bill was an amend ment of the line which the House had sanctioned last Ses sion. —( Hear, hear, hear.) It was hard, therefore, to say that objections taken to a new line should prevent the consi deration of the amendment of another line. He apprehended the object of the Hon. Member opposite was merely to have the petition referred to a Select Committee, and he did not see that the House could object to it. Sir ROBERT PRICE concurred in thinking the proposi tion that had been made was a just one. EXETER AND FALMOUTH RAILWAY. Mr. AINSWORTH presented a petition against the Exe. ter and Falmouth Railway Bill. IPSWICH lI 7 IPROVENIENT BILL. On the motion of Mr. WA SON, the Ipswich Improvemen' Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. Mr. HIND LE Y presented a petition from certain noblemen and gentlemen, resident in Lancashire, against the Bolton and Preston Railway Bill ; also a petition from an individual, com plaining that the Bolton and Preston Railway Subscription List had not been properly filled up ; and a petition against the Gloucester Railway Bill. The Bolton and Preston Railway Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. On the motion of Sir 11. PA RNEL L, the Dundee Im provement Bill was read a second time. Mr. PATTISON presented a petition from several inhabi tants of the city of London against the Commercial Railway Bill, and praying to be heard by their counsel and agents. Mr. EWART presented a petition against the South Mid land Railway Bill. Mr. W. PRAE L) presented a petition from Richard Lile,who had formerly petitioned against the Hammersmith and Richmond Railroad. The former petition contained charges against indivi duals of whom ho knew nothing. He had signed the petition, thinking it one got up by the proprietors on the line, and he was not aware of the personal charges which it contained. He therefore prayed the House to allow him to withdraw the for mer petition, as he did now withdraw those charges to which he was formerly a party. Mr. BAINES thought the conduct of the petitioner was most reprehensible, and required explanation. Mr. ,WIL K S thought that it was desirable that the peti tion should be printed, in order that the subject might come properly under the consideration of the House. The SPE A K Ell made a few observations, the purport of which we could not hear. Mr. HUM E said, the rule that had been laid down as a ge neral rule was a good one; but the present appeared to him to be a ease particularly deserving of the consideration of the House, and he would state what tint eireumstanees were. The facts of the case were simply these i—a Committee was appointed to inquire into the Bill, and a petition was presented by Mr. llepnell, which Counsel appeared to support, and the Committee was obliged to adjourn over till after Easter. Four days had now elapsed, and the parties promoting the Bill were put to an enormous expense. Now, however, a petition was laid before them, contradicting the assertions in the former petition. While matters went on in Committees as at pre sent, the House was bound to protect the partial against all attempts at injustice. He hoped the House would allow the petition to be printed, and circulated with the Votes. The petition was then ordered to be printed. Messengers from the House of Lords brought down the Wills Bill, to which the concurrence of that House was desired. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved that the Wills Bill, just brought down from the other House, be read a first time. It was preci se ly sirialW in principle to the Bill of last year, The Bill tray then read a first time, and ordered to be printed. Mr. W. DU NCOM B E moved the further consideration of the Report of the Whitby and Pickering Railway Bill. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY. Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE presented a petition against the Great Western Railway Extension Bill. Nothing could be more dangerous than where two railways crossed each other, as fatal consequences might ensue from two trains pro ceeding with great rapidity corning in contact. Mr. HALL begged to ask the Hon. Member opposite who ther the sums of 23,0001. and 7,0001. which were to be paid to the Bishop of London, were intended as compensation for the land to be occupied by the Railway, and which he understood to be public property ? An HON. MEMBER said the legal estate was in the Bishop of London, and the money was intended as a compen sation. Mr. TOOK E was in a situation to state that the Bishop was only a joint occupier, and had only one-third interest in the land. He could assure the House that the Bishop had not received one shilling as fine or compensation—all the benefit he had derived was in common with the others, and merely as an in creased rent, and not otherwise. Mr. THOMAS DUNCOMBE would not consider that he was discharging his duty if he did not call the attention of the House to a circumstance which had taken place in the Committee. A decision had there been come to which, in his opinion, would tend very much to cramp public inquiry into such matters. in the ob. nervations he was about to make, he begged the House distinctly to understand that he bad no connection, either directly or in directly with the Company ; nor did he make his observations in any unfriendly feeling, or the motion with which he should conclude, with any hostile view. On the contrary, he thought that the extension of the line of this Railway would be pro ductive of great good, an d h e h ope d i t wou ld b e at tended with a proportionate advantage to the Com pany. The facts of what occurred before the Committee were that four miles being proposed to be added to the great Western Railway coming up to Paddington, it would have to go through the Paddington estate, belonging to the See of London. To effect that four miles of railway several little cottages, besides those which had already been pulled down, would have to he removed, and on those oottagevo, who held leases under the Bishop of London, coming before the Com mittee for compensation, Mr. Harrison, in behalf of the Bishop, resisted their claim. Ile ( Mr. Dimeombe) thought the peti tioners ought to be heard. A discussion took place in the Committee upon the subject, and it was ultimately decided that the petitioners should be heard, and that Mr. Austin should defend their claims to compensation. Upon this the promoters of the Bill and the Bishop Of London instantly turned round and said, there was no necessity for the case of the petitioners being advocated, as the Bishop of London had a sufficient sum of mo ney to give them adequate compensation. Upon this Mr. Austin withdrew his opposition. The engineer was then called and asked what amount it would require to com plete the line of four miles. lie answered upwards of 250,0001., and that 175,0001. of that would have to be appropriated for the purchase of land. He (Mr. Duncombe) then asked what proportion of that amount the Bishop of London would receive in order to enable him to give adequate compensation to the cottager s ? The Learned Counsel for the Bishop cif London refused to answer that question, declaring that it was one that ought not to have been put.—( Cries of " Hear, hear hear.") He maintained this was public property, and therefore it di4 'n the rule svidui• ' not come wit.... 40), • 00/ lion. Gentleman e ;en stated by the C o uns e l. An your premises.—(Laughter) r up an d sa id, " I di spute propertv, an therefore you _.,hurch prop e rty i s no t p u bli c d to the 13is ~.tve no ri g h t to put t h e quest i on es to 2 a . fn divided the C omm i ttee, t h ere were gai hop. nst hiintiu " Ile lid the question was not put ; Le therefore contended! the investigation before the Com mttee was cripple . 1 in a manner it ought not to have been—( Haar, hew whether a Aembr .9—and it ought cl ear l y t o b e un d erstoo d r had a right to put th a t quest i on to a w i tness or not. Thera • vas a sum of money to be paid to the Bishop fur tha land to the great prejudice of the public ; and he - thought the co Iduct that had been pursued on the part of a great publ;PL .actionary like the Bishop of Lindon, would hare a Vet'b bark appearance with the House and the public.— Tin Hon. Member concluded by moving that the be re cot omitted, with an instruction to the Committee to inquire 'jute • the grounds on which the Bishop of London had agreen, to dispose of the land to the Great Western Rail way: Mr. R .. WA SON seconded the motion. Mr. II A s .imagined there never was such a reason given fo r opposing a Private Bill as that which had been as signe.d by the lion. .Member for Finsbury, and to come to a dec . ,sion on this qu,stion, the House would have to decide w'nether Church prov . erty was public property or not.--( Loud cries of Hear.) The Bill was to be re-committed in order that the Right Hon. Member for Finsbury might put one single question. He dr. Hawes) begged to put in his dis claimer as to any interest directly or indirectly in this or any other Railway ; but he th ought be should be able to show from the enacting, clauses of the Bill itself there was not the slightest foundation for ()posing the further progress of the Bill. It was provided that the 30,000/. should he appropriated in sums of 23,0001. and 7,000/. to the Bishop and trustees, and it was made lawful for the Bishop and trustees to receive the same only for discharging the mortgages or other liabilities af fecting the land. lie (Mr. Hawes) was as decided an advo cate for the cottagers as the Hon. Member for Finsbury, but it was admitted on all hands. that they had no legal claim to compensation, and therefore lie thought it better for them to raise up some equitable consideration in order to pro cure for them some remuneration. The question of compensation, however, had nothing to do TIM' the case ; and he trusted the House would not stop the further progress of a measure which the Hon. Gentleman who brought forward the motion for the recommitment of the Bill admitted to be one of great public importance. Mr. D. W. HARVEY thought the House was bound to protect those who, from their poverty, were unable to protect themselves, before a Committee. It appeared that the Bishop of London had agreed to demise a portion of land to certain cottagers, for a term of seven years, with this defessance, that the lessees should be at liberty to deter mine the demise on giving three months notice of requiring the land for building ground. The ques tion then was could a Railway be considered a house? The land was now required for a Railroad, and these parties said that they should not ba compelled to quit at three months notice, without receiving some com pensation. As the sum of 7,0001. had been allotted, it was the business of that House to see that it was really divided among these parties, who were not satisfied that the Bishop of London should be their stakeholder, fearing that he might consider them only entitled to a tenth.—(A laugh.) He thought the present was a case in which the House was called upon to in terfere. After a few words from Mr. T. DUNC 0 M BF, Sir SAMUEL WHALLEY said the parties were some of his constituents, and lie hoped their rights would be protected, and that the House would express some decided opinion upon the subject. Sir T. FRE NIANTLE made a few observations, which were inaudible in the Gallery. Mr. PEASE said if he understood the question properly, there had not been one argument put forth which would induce him to vote for the recommitment of the Bill. Any one who knew anything of Railroads would at once know that they would lose half their value if, between this and Edin burgh, one line was crossed by six or a dozen others—it would be preposterous that they should be obliged to cross upon a different level. The amendment was then negatived without a division, and the Bill ordered to be engrossed. THE GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY, TROU- BRIDGE. The Report on this Bill was brought up, and ordered to be engrossed. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Mr. CHARLES HULLER begged to make a few remarks connected with the business of the House. The Noble Lord (Lord John Russell) signified his intention yesterday that Wednesdays should be reserved for Go vernment Orders. He remonstrated with the Noble Lord at the time ; and the Noble Lord had since put a notice on the book, that he would move to-day that the Canada busi ness should take precedence on Wednesday. If this were the only Wednesday that had been taken for Government busi ness he wouldnot complain, but it was the fourth Wednes day ; and he must tell the Noble Lord that that was a game at which two persons could play ; and though the Noble Lord might beat him by a majority on the occasion, he had it in his power to adopt a course to render that majority of very little use. His plan was, when the Noble Lord moved the Order of the Day for going into the Canada busi ness, he (Mr. Buller) would move successively, by way of amendment, each of the other Orders of the Day. Thus the Noble Lord would take no benefit from exercising the power which he possessed. This was a roundabout way of bringing the House to follow the course it had itself chalked out. He did not want the House, for his convenience, to follow any particular course ; but he wanted to understand what course was really intended to be adopted. The SPEAKER said that the Hon. and Learned Member must be quite aware that he had got the car of the House, by stating that he had something to say with reference to its b us i ne ss.—( Hear, bear, hear.) Ile was sure that the Hon. Member would, on reflection, be persuaded that the course he was pursuing was not consistent with the rules of the House. Mr. HUME thought that Members ought to be informed what the course to be adopted was to be. He had himself a motion for Wednesday, and if the course alluded to by the Hon. Member were pursued, he did not know but that he might be thrown over that day. He thought the Noble Lord ought to give Hon. Members one day in the week at the least. Mr. C. BULLER said that on Thursday next on any mo tion standing in the name of Lord John Rnstiell, ha should move as an amendment, that it is the practice of the House, that Notices shall have precedence on Order-days, and Orders on Notice-days, and that Government Orders should have precedence on those days erroneously said to be for the Orders of other Members, CANADA. Lord BROUG HAM gave notice that he should, to-mor row, present a petition from the House of Assembly in Ca nada, complaining of grievances. CRIMINAL LAW. Lord DUNCANNUN laid on the table copies of corre spondence between the Secretary of State for the Home De partment, and the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the slate of the Criminal Law. The Royal Mint Amendment Bill was read a second time, and the House adjourned till to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MA RCIT 21. The SPEAKER took the Chau - t h is evening at Four o'clock. BRITISH MUSEUM. A Nlessenger frOrnth!.., British Museum presented Papers connected with that Institution, pursuant to order. BUTTERHOUSE GREEN AND GORTON ROAD BILL Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition from certain individuals, praying to be heard by counsel against some parts of the Butt er h ouse Green and Gorton Road Bill. PRIVATE COMMITTEES. Captain PECHELL gave notice that, on the 6th of April, he would call th e attention of the House to the system by %%hid' Members arc enabled to vote in Committees o n p r ivate Bills, without h av i ng heard the evidence, especially in cases here the evidence bad not been printed. DUNDALK AND DUNLEER ROAD BILL. On the motion of Mr. EMERSON TENNENT, this Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. PANCRAS PAVING BILL. Sir S. WHALLiYnloved the second reading of the Pan. eras Paving Bill. Mr. WILK S presented two petitions against the Bill. Mr. TOOKE—The present sTas the fifth Bill that had been introduced for the purpose of arranging the affairs of the SPAIN. Mr. M ACLE AN then rose to ask the question of which he had given notice with respect to Spain. He was sorry that the Noble Lord at the head of the Foreign Depart. ment was not present in consequence of indisposition ; but seeing the Secretary for the Admiralty in his place, he thought he might be enabled to answer the question. Accounts had reached this country of a very sanguinary engagement that had taken place on the North coast of Spain between the troops of General Evans and Don Carlos. The account proceeded to state, that after the engagement, which was of consi derable duration, General Evans retired to the fortress of Saint Sebastian, with the troops under his command in groat disorder, and with considerable loss of life. The account then went on to state that the retreat was covered by his Majesty's Marines, and further, that Lord John Hay, and some of the Captains of his Majesty's Navy, were present during the whole of the engagement. He Mr. Maclean was anxious to know whether or not those ac counts were true—ii they were, he wish, dto know whether his Majesty's forces had sustained any and what loss in the en gagement. He wished to know that with respect to both the marine and artillery forces. Mr. C. WOOD said no accounts were received at the Ad miralty of the affair alluded to, and Government had no means of ascertaining the truth of the statements which appeared in the Newspapers. Mr. G. PRICE wished to know whether, if the British Marines were so employed, they had raised the British flag, or were under the supreme command of General Evans. Mr. WOOD had only the same answer to give as that to the question of the lion. Member for Oxford. M . r. MACLEAN wished to know if any telegraphic dis patch had been received at the Admiralty, by way of Paris, announcing the engagement. Mr. WOOD said there had not, and the latest intelli gence received at the Admiralty was through an officer, who left Bayonne on the Bth inst. CORN LAWS. Petitions were presented by Mr. Robinson, Mr. Hume, and by Sir R. Vyvyan, praying the House to alter the existing state of the law, which prohibits the manufacture of flour and meal for exportation. FOREIGN CORN IN BOND. Mr. ROBINSON rose to bring forward the motion of which he had given notice, that the laws which prohibit the manufacture of foreign grain, flour, and meal in band for ex portation, arc injurious to the interests of British commerce and navigation, and unjust in restricting the free employment of capital and labour in the United Kingdom, while they afford direct encouragement and undue advantage to the foreigner in a valuable branch of trade, not only with other States, but with our colonies, and that it is expedient to alter and amend the same. In submitting that motion, he should endeavour to detain the House as short a time as possible. He would prove to the House that they might accede to the resolution which he would propose, without its doing the smallest injury to the landed interest, while it would materially improve manufacturing and shipping interests. What was the consequence of the present state of the law ? If a man wanted to send a cargo of flour to the Brazils, he must send it to Hamburgh or Dautzic to have it manufactured. He admitted that the steps taken by the Government had done much good ; but he thought they would do much more if they granted that which he now asked. Last year there was more than a million sterling lost to this country, which it might have pined but for this prohibition, to say nothing of the em ployment it would have afforded to the labouring population, besides many other advantages. Mr. P. THOMSON—WiII my Hon, Friend state the sta tute of which he complains ? Mr. ROBINSON complained of the general operation of the Corn-laws, which prevented bonded corn from being ma nufactured until the duty was first paid. The objection to a change in the system seemed to be that it might have the ef fect of encouraging fraud, but when the bulk of the article was taken into consideration no such danger pould reasona bly be apprehended ! Besides he (Mr. Robinson) offered,to hiS Right Hon. Friend to agree to any penal enactments, however severe, as a security against fraud or loos to the reve+ rale, tie could 119kve ‘S) 00C11Metitarx evidme In support of his views of the qUestion, bat he thought he ham stated sufficient to induce the House to accede to the resolution Mr. H UME seconded the motion, and expressed his opi nion that the restriction on the manufacture of bonded con was highly injurious to the trading interests of England, a well as unjust towards her colonies. Mr. P. THOMSON would have no difficulty in s.howie that the resolution of his Hon. Friend was not calculated t accomplish the object which ha sought. No one could b. more ready to do. what the lion. Member wished, but the truth was, no one had asked bins to do it. With regard to tb resolution, there were no laws which stood in the way of the which the Hon. Gentleman proposed. There certainly seer, prohibitory laws and prohibitory duties respecting several ar t.cles, and, amongst others, with respect to corn. 'Ter were no laws prohibiting the manufacture of foreign corn ii bond; neither were there laws to admit it—and the only wa; in which the lion. Gentleman's object could be effected wa! by the introduction of new laws. The proposition was calcu leted to go beyond the object which the Hon. Gentleman ha, hi view, and yet not to effect that object. It would have tin effect of repealing the Corn Laws, yet that would not neces. sarily allow the exportation of all foreign grain. The inotioi was a mischievous one, and there were many persons favour. able to the object which the lion. Gentleman had in view yet who would not consent to a repeal of the Corn Laws The Hon. Gentleman, as an excuse for not bringing in a 13i1 upon the subject, said he, as an individual Member, couli not hope to do so with success, and that no Bill could hopi to pass through the House which was not promoted by Go vernment. The lion. Gentleman was bound, however, t. show how the point lie had in view was to be reached, 11 (Mr. Thomson) was not bound to bring in a Bill for the purpose of giving effect to the lion. Member's resolution— an effect which was unattainable. Two plans had been pro posed last year, for the purpose of effecting the object o the resolution, but those plans depended upon equivalent and calculations of exchanges which it would be utterle im possible to attempt to carry out without opening the door t. serious frauds and inconveniences. When the subject wa mooted last year lie (Mr. Thomson) proposed that a Bill founded on the principle of the Sugar-refining Duties Act should be brought forward, and he pledged himself to givi it—he would most willingly give it—his support. That pro position, however, had been refused, and yet the house has heard of the complaints made with respect to restriction against the employment of capital after the means were re jetted by which alone capital could be employed in the man nor proposed by the resolution. The proposition which hi had made last session was a fair one, and it was to be ap• prehendcd that those who were dissatisfied with that wantes to obtain more than they would have it at first appear. I great results were to be expected from allowing foreign corn in bond to be ground for exportation the way to get at them was, not to adopt the resolution of the lion. Ge tleman, but to adopt a measure founded on the Bill t which he had before alluded. The House he was sure veouli not support a resolution which would not have the er,fect o producing the result intended, and yet might go far ' De yond, more especially when Government was ready to yield edl which with propriety, could be granted to effect the purpose, Mr. T. BARING thought the agricultural ought to make every concession it could to the commercial interest of the country, provided they did not go to the extent of a repeal a the Corn-laws. In his opinion, however, the adoption of the principle which governed the Sugar Refin:mg Act would be more difficult in practice than the plan of averages and calm'. lations to which the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite ob jected. The process in Sugar relining was more nice, and, therefore, more open to fraud. Averages and calculations were not so difficult, as was found by a late trial in France, and to show that they would be generally alike, it was only necessary to state that the French average of 7$ per cent. f e et flour, and 22 per cent, for refuse, was about the same ca:icu. lation which would be made in our Corn market. The reso lution before the House, if agreed to, would do no more thee sanction the principle, and if the thing could be effected with• out fraud, there was no doubt that it would considerably add to the trade of the country. A saving would me made to o ur colonial consumers at the same time that the comlnerce of the country would be increased. He hoped the opposition to this resolution was not for the purpose of increasing the hostility against the Corn-laws, and making them appear in a more odious light by holding them up as an obstacle to the commer cial interest of the country. Mr. WARBURTON thought the difficulty between his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. P. Thomson) and the Hon. Mem ber for Worcester might be got rid of by an amendment which ho was about to move —namely, that the House should resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House to take into consideration the laws relative to foreign grain, and whe ther it would be advisable to permit the manufacture of corn now in bond for exportation. This resolution would, perhaps-, get rid of all difficulties. Mr. G. F. YOUNG seconded the amendment, as a happy mode of getting rid of all objections. As to the proposition for bringing in a Bill at this period of the Session, it would be quite nugatory unless Government took up the measure- As the object of the Right Hon Gentleman opposite was not that the result sought to be obtained would not prove a good• but that there was no use in proposing to repeal laws which did not exist, he seconded the amendment. Mr. ROBINSON withdrew his proposition in favour of the amendment, upon which he was satisfied to take the sense of the House. Mr. CLAY thought that his Right lion. Friend did not fairly encounter the question. Was it proper that one who, filled the impo r t an t stat i on o f t h e President of the Board 01 Trade should admit an advantage to be derived to commerce, and yet shrink from it because of the difficulties of the case? Mr. P. THOMSON did not say any such thing as great advantages being derivable; but he had made a proposition by which only the object could be effected, and those who proposed to seek the object told him the proposition would b 0 of no advantage. Mr, CLAY understood his Right Hon. Friend still to ad mit the advantages derivable from allowing foreign grain ill bond to be exported, and, if so, why did not the Right 1 100. Gentleman endeavour to carry the measure into effect ? That the advantages were admitted was proved by his Right Non' Friend having made the proposition of last year. Why n°, t ', then, endeavour to s ecure t h em ?—( Hear, hear.) His Rig“' Hon. Friend said no one asked biro to do so. That was 11° reply, if the measure was a good one. Ile agreed with the Hon. Member for Yarmouth, and differed from his 11 1 " $ lion, Friend, in thinking that means could be devised to avoid all frauds. It was the pressure of the agricultural ia• terests on the commercial that prevented the adoption of sonl measure on this subj ec t. Th e bi tterest enemy of that interest could not urge a stronger argument against it than it s protee.; tion was to be afforded at the expense of our commerce. country imported more from North and South America 81 ' the West Indies than any other country in the world. What our commerce most r equ i re d i n t h at tra d e was outward fre i g ht' , Thousands of ves se l s sa il e d across a l most empty, and yet t hei were denied this source of traffic. If this trade were a llows or to them they w ou ld un d erse ll A merica and the shipowners the north of Europe. Lord SANDON we understood to agree to the observa tions of the Hon. Gentleman the Member for the Tower liattio lets (Mr. Clay.) He should be ashamed to see any differcli,c.4 on his side of the House to a measure which would be of s u • benefit to the mass of B r iti s h s hi pp i ng tra di ng to the colon'ce and the ports of the Baltic and the Atlantic. Mr. MARK PHILIPS th oug h t t h at the House oughtt°tbo, accede to the amendment put in so tan g ibl e a s h ape by Hon, Member for Bridpoi t (Mr. Warburton. ) After a remark from Sir E. CODRINGTON and Sir 13. VE RE, inaudible in the gallery, Mr. HAWES said that he thought it was a meaten, o f which the landed i n t eres t h a d n o part. If the Presider'a ho the Board of Trade h a d no o bj ect i on to the grinding cur ho g bond, but would consent to such a plan, lie saw no use in g, ee , into Committee, as it m i g h t be managed without the in t ' iey ferenee of that Hou s e. lie wished to Citoer, however, if tie did go into Committee, what course the Right Hon. Gen man intended to pursue ? Captain GORDON, amid loud cries of " Divide," i s S e i d j that he had no objecti o n t o go i ng i nto Committee, Pr o ' ari d the inquiry was limit e d to t h e grin di ng of corn in b on d the whole question of the Corn-laws was not opened. ars ue T Mr. P. HOMSON said that the course h e s h ou ld je,, would be to hear the pl ans o f other lion. Gentlemen iil c, o be tnittee for carrying the regulation into effect. He s houie s most glad to hear what th e y h a d to propose ; b ut as h w e .. a n , h if present advised be did no t t hi n k any plan would so ther°Thee secure the necessary protection to the landed interest as , in one lie had in view. If th a t were t h e case h e s h ou ld thc in Committee, submit his plan for allowing corn to be gr°, e re bond, which he thought was t h e on l y way of securine, L_ " rest . venue without invadi ng t h e protect i on to the lan d e d iti t: ~emit Sir H. KNATCHBULL t h oug h t i f the house no . w ith into Committee up on t h e su bj ect it would pursue a e 00 1: 0 1 5 respect to the laud e d i nterest a l most unparalle l e d. 11e„se afield that the door would be opened for frauds, whicli o n u Aece caution could prevent. H e s h ou ld , h owever, have' _ ot e inv tion to go into C omm i ttee , un d er protest, for he cou ld ° ill ceive that any plan c ou ld b e propoun d e d b y the Rightecie` Gentleman c ons i s t en t with the due protection to e Ito see interest. Ile should wa it w i t h cons id era bl e curiea' t Y we re _ the plan, but he mus t say t h at h e did not t hi n k there os ier' sufficient number o f M em b ers i n t h e H ouse f or the disc of the question.—( Hear, hear.) Mea l ' Mr. ROBINSON entirely concurred with the 11° 7:elee_ a tier for Bridport, whose a men d ment remove d everyn i ° l 7, t° In reply to a question, a s t o t h e mo d e o f pro ceedi event of the ameedment being carried, tha t Id Mr. WARBURTON said that he should propos: e s hoe chair be taken that night pro forma, bee ° obtain leave to sit again on some day to be named; a , d i; Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought that after Si h a l athoe f r t io , said, the House would be placed in an awkward ail ier al P or e determined at once to go into Committee. The gene' room ciple was admitted ; but he thought it would be ll toie li oth j rational if the House were to go into Committee vvi , s a this and the Chairm proposition was submitted in detail. He thoin s i c , ,. t a i nge in . da y and not by any means an usual course when a : t a euttsZ o o• law was proposed, to go into Committee, and at to tha t , plan determine what the resolutions to be submitted alorh ai i r ver e mittee were to be. The much better and moresor.us.jois would be to adjourn the debate until those re 1 as $6 prepared. to th r t l ' u t r i,, Mr. P. THOMSON was then understood emendment, that the debate be adjourned , t_o v „OW weeks, which being seconded by Sir E. 10 , the House divided, when there appeared— .... 39 For the amendment .......................... or Against it ..... .. .......................... . . A Majority ............. SURVEY OF CHURCH LAN." — * for ' s o t Mr. HUAI E, the absence of the Hon. Meniber,lo.o4o, bury, moved for " Copies of all the Parliamenta9r ; at V as Church lands preserved in the library of m annscriPL ai lialo c both, and which re na d Waqr Qrdiaance of