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41 , h 2ton Gas (to be considered). Ellesmere and Chestt,r Canql (to be considered). - B ury Gas ( to b e cons id ere d). tntield Chase Road (to be considered). Great Western Railway. S iutb- Eastern Railway (No. 11—Branch from Rye to ItYe Harbour). tlochester Bride. Inclosure and Drainage. Bermingham Cemetery. London and South-Western Railway (Hampton Colin Branch). London and South-Western Railway (C'nertsey and Egham Branch). triston Waterworks. G lasgow and Ayr Railway Amendment and Branches (N 0.2). of the Legislature by so large a majority, and that it should he resel by as large'a majority as could be obtained for it :With' the consent of the Hoti-e, therefore, he should move for the fisst reading of this Bile He did this with a perfect conviction that the Hon. Member for Limerick' might he correct in his assertion, that in the present state of parties in that House, her Majesty's Government might be left in a small minority. But so long as they continued servants of the Crown, and so long as they continued in office, there was but one course which they could consent to pursue. They might give place to that minority, but they bad, whilst they retained the power, a paramount duty to perform in providing for the public security. if it should be the opinion of that House that they should continue the public servants of the Crown, it was their duty to express their impression of the course which her Majesty's Government might take. While, then, they fully conceived the necessity of carrying the Corn Bill as early as possible, they at the same time thought it necessary to avow their concurrence in the support of the Irish Bill. He felt it necessary to press on the House that his sincerity on this ques tion was unfeigned, and he was satisfied that the House would consider that it was for the interests of Ireland that the discus sion on, and the first reading of, this Bill should no longer be delayed. The Right Honourable Baronet, who objected to his motion, regarded it only as a consideration of policy, on which it was unnecessary to alter the usual course of this House. ' But the Honourable Member for Limerick had threatened a course of opposition against any infringement of the rules of the House on this measure. It would be very mischievous if any delay took place in re gard to this measure. He was satisfied it was for the public good to persevere in bringing forward this measure, and he should be unworthy of the co fidence of the Members of that House if he thought of entertaining such a threat. Those Members of the House who, as individuals, opposed the pro gressing of this measure, mint be aware that the responsibility would rest with them ; but he thought the responsibility would rest with her Majesty's Ministers to do their duty by pressing this measure on the attention of the House by every means in their power, and by such facts and reasoning as they felt it ne cessary to adduce on the present occasion. It was necessary to inforie the House of everything which would influence their decision on this measure, and that any indefinite postponement on the part of her Majesty's Government on a Bill so materi ally affecting Ireland would have a most prejudicial effect. He had told them the exact position of the case. He was aware of the position in which her Majesty's Government were placed. They were sincere in their determination to use every effort to obtain a decision on the Corn Bill at the earliest period, but, on the other hand, they were sincere in their proceedings in regard to this measure. He had stated his views to the :louse, and it was for them to determine what course they shoald ad ipt ; but his own judgment was unshaken, that a re fusal to entertain the proposal of Government would be in jurious to the interests of the country. Mr. F , SHAW rose, for the purpose of offering a few observations on the measure. Looking at the present lamentable insecurity of life, and property, and person in Ire land, if her Majesty's Ministers brought forward a measure which they deemed • calculated for the protection of life, he should not feel justified in taking upon himself the responsi bility of opposing it; but he was not particularly sanguine of .he success of the present measure, as the course pursued by the Government was no great earnest of their sincerity.— ( Cheers.) The Hon. Baronet (Sir W. Somerville) stated t hat, though the House met on the 22d of January, yet it was near a month before the measure was introduced into the H else of Lords. Now, in the ease of '1833, referred to by the Right Hon. Secretary for the Home Department, the House met on the 29th of January, and the measure was passed the Lords by the 22d of February tollowing.—(Hear, hear.) Now for the manner in which the present Bill had been conducted through the Lords. He should say that it came to the Commons not the same Bill at all that it was.—( Hear, hear.) Nothing but a great necessity could justify any extraordinary infringement of a constitutii nal measure. If such existed, then the Bill should be adequate to such necessity ; and, in his opinion, the Government should not seek for more than they required, nor, at the same time, should they be content with less.—( Hear.) He believed the original Bill was totally altered—indeed, he might say, exchanged for another ; and he also believed that the Government did not possess sufficient moral weight with the Irish party -at that side of the House to give the measure effect.—(Protectionist cheers.) He (Mr Shaw) believed all the Irish Members would oppose it.—(Loud cheers from the Opposition benches.) He observed, on the night of the last great division in that House, that not more than three or four Irish independent Members voted with Ministers ; and he sup posed they would not have even that number on the present occasion. —( Cheers and laughter.) He (Mr. Shaw) should state that if the Government had from the first administered the law with firmness and temper, the existing law would be sufficient.—(Cheers from Irish Members on the Opposition benches ) He did not think they had done so from the commencement of the monster meetings and agita tion to the present day. On the contrary, they showed a spirit of co opromise, a spurious spirit of conciliation—a passing by of their best men from unworthy fears, and a tampering with the inferior class on the other side, from equally unworthy hopes.—(Opposition cheers.) Yes, they had traded on the generosity of their friends, and on the meanness of their oppo nents.—( Cheers and counter cheers.) Under these circum stances they were without a party to give them support in Ire land. He did not blame the local and executive Government of that country, because no independence of action was left them, they being intrusted and directed imperatively by the Ministry at this side of the Channel.—( Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary of State, would say that his opposition to her Majesty's Government was owing to disappointment, in not being appointed Chief Secretary far Ire hind. Now, if the House would allow him a few minutes — (Cheers) —if the House would indulge him for a short time, he would reply to that most unwarrantable attack on him.— (Cheers.) He would have no special pleading—n ) o quibbling on words.—(Cries of " Order," and " Oh , o h . " The SPEAKER hoped that the Hon. Gentleman dis tinctly tinders' ood that he could not, without the permission of the House, allude to a former debate that had taken place in that House. Mr. SHAW was aware that he could not do so without the indulgence of the House, but he submitted that this was an occasion when the House should concede to him that privilege. —(1-leer, hear, and cheers.) He did not wish any quarrel about words, but if the attack of the Right Hon. Baronet mean , any thing, it meant that he ( :11r. Shaw) wished to job the office which he held as Recorder of the City of Dublin for the Chief Secretaryship of Ireland. That was the marrow of the charge. He would not quarrel about words: he would give the widest latitude to his observations. With regard to the Recordership of Dublin, when the Right Hon. Baronet was settled in office in 1842, he (Mr. Shaw) was in constant communication with him, and he submitted at that time a proposition to the Right Ho nourable Gentleman that the office required regulation ; and if his suggestions with respect to the local and judicial officers had been adopted, there would have been a saving to the country of 3,0t10/. per annum.—(Hear, hear.) But he admitted fully that the office would have been made more in dependent and comfortable than it was at present. But he did not do that as a humble supplicant for favour.—( Hear, hear.) He felt the difference between the Right. Honourable Baronet, the Minister of the Crown, and an humble individual like myself, but still he conferred with him upon this and all other measures in a tone of perfect independence. He ad- Mitred that he did confer with the Right tion. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government on the occasion alluded to. He conferred also with the Right lion. Baronet the Secretary State for the Home Department, but he did not care if he published upon every market-cross in England everything he had ever said during those conferences.—( Hear, hear.) He had conferred also with Sir Thomas Fremantle, and the other Members of the Government, and the result was this—they said that considering that the judicial office which he now oc cupied was now in the hands of•the Crown, and he (Mr. Shaw), as a Member of the Hons.. of Commitris. had better be excluded from the House, as had been the case with Dr. Lush ington and all the Masters of Chancery. lie never remonstrated against their proposition, he never complained ; it never gave him the slightest annoyance. But with respect to office, he had never in bs life vetrured to ask for the office of Chief Secretary for Ireland; and if he had, he felt that it would be unworthy for a Minister of the Crown, and unbecoming the ordinary dealing between gentlemen. that s ich communications should be divulged for the purpose of producing a temporary effect to save the ends of a particular party, and he thought that the individual who would impute such unworthy proceedings was void of generosity ; but what would they say or think of the minister or man, when he declared that upon his word there was not one word of truth in the charge that had been ma le against him. He would now make his appeal to the Right Hoe. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government, for the purpose of clearing himself from the tharges levelled against him. The history of his communication with Government was this—when the Right Hon. Baronet had returned from abroad in the year 1844, and resumed the reins of Government, he asked him (Mr. Shaw) to accept office, but he declined, for the simple reason that he was the representative for the University of Dublin, and that he could not accept any judicial office which should compel him to give up his seat in the House. For many years he was in the habit of almost daily communicating with the Right Hon. Baronet, and he co-operated with him under very trying cir cumstances, and in some painful difficulties, of which he (Mr. Shaw) believed he was not aware; and now, with confidence, he would ask if eider he had been actuated by selfish or personal motives? But be that as it might, he (Mr. Shaw) solemnly averred this, that from the conversation he had referred to as having taken place in the year 1844, up to the present mo ment, he never did apply to the Government for any office whatsoever. He never contemplated the office of Irish Se cretary, nor any other under the sun, except the office which he now held, which was enough for him to preserve his in dependency. It was strange that the Right Hon. Gentleman had not before alluded to this subject. He allowed three days to elapse, and then came down to this House to open this adjourned debate, at a late hour ot the night, premeditatedly to fix a charge against him (Mr. Shaw) which had not the slightest foundation in truth. It was a low vulgarism, and a mere talk of local newspaper. He challenged him to produce a scintilla, or toe slightest tittle of evidence to prove the charge. The Right Hon. Baronet had also said, that seeing the Government about to fall, he (Mr. Shaw) sitting behind him, had thought proper to kick them. But if he meant that they, because they sat behind the Government, were to support the Government of the Right Hon. Baronet, they were greatly mistaken. The Government were fallen ; yes, he lamented to say, they were fallen both in power and in character. He believed the Right Hon. Secretary of State for the Home Department was the evil genius of the Government, and fully realised the prophecy th•t was made some years since, that no Caeinet of which the Right Hon. Baronet was a member would last long in England. He (Mr. Shaw) felt no resentment against her Majesty's Minis ters. He felt the greatest respect and esteem for the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government, and only re gretted that he had fallen into the hands of the Right Hon. Secretary of State. The opinion he had of that Right Hon. Baronet he could not express in languase which would be cor rect in the ears of the House, arid it would therefore be the better plan for him to refrain of giving any opinion of his cha racter. ( The Hon. Gentleman sat down amidst loud cries of '" Order, order.") Sir JAMES GRAHAM said the Learned Recorder of Dublin had complained of the manner in which he had alluded to him on &former occasion. There were two charges of which he had been accused of having brought against him. He ( Sir James Graham) had no objection to make any explanation. The allusion which he had first made with respect to the Irish Secreiaryshtp. was made prospectively with reference to the formation of a protection Government. With reference to the second charge, the House would recollect that, in the course of the last Session, he had-stated that he had never been his (Sir James Graham's) friend—that he had only a political and parliamentary acquaintance with him ; and he drew a distinc tion between him and the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Government. No confidential communication had ever taken place between them. He was perfectly justified in act ing as he had done, with respect to the transactions which had taken place within three months of his acceptance of office. An application was made to him, that the office of Recorder of Dublin should be endowed with a retiring pension of 2,0001 a-year. He returned an answer that he could net be a party to any such aereement, and if the Right Hon. Gentleman referred to the Session of 1.42, he found in the letter stated, why he could not agree to that proposition. He therefore csnsidered, that being a public matter, he was fully justified in reverting to it. Mr. BENJAMIN H AWES made a few observations, which were quite inaudible in the gallery, in consequence of the ceived deputations from the most influentiel commerdial . bodies tiar.tbetit. the length and . breadth of the hind, whistle . in equally carne-t language, entreated the House to interpose its authority to prevent any unnecessary delay in this measure.- ft was not in Etieland alone that this delay was felt. He had received communicatiens from Ireland, from parties by no means favourable to the policy of the subject, deprecating the delay that had taken place, and hoping that the U eise would come to some decision on the mea sure, as trade and calismerce were at a steed still from the delay, and stating. that unless a speedy decision was come to on the measure things would get worse, and the commercial interest of the country would be in a very distressed state. It was unnecessary for him to enlarge on the mischief which would be caused by the post ponement of this measure. He might be told that THIRD READINGS. In making this motion he was pursuing a ceurse The following Bills w ere read a third time and passed, not usuall y ada p ted, and that he should not object to ais, ; _e a the first reading of the Bill when sent down to Brighton, Lewes, and Hastings Railway (Deviations and the Lords. There were cases when they were not to Branches).listen to these rules. He he'ieved it was competent for B righton and Chichester Railway (Steyning Branch). any Merrib-4 at any time to object to a first reading of South -E as t ern Railway (No, 4—from Tuebridge Wells the Bill. The Bill contained enactments of great seve te Hastings and Rye). rity, and it suspended the Constitution of this country M▪ r. HODGSON RUNDE moved, on the further con in Ireland ; and if those who disapproved of the men reration of the report of the Sunderland Docks Bill, sure were not to have the opport unit y of the f• oll ow i ng ver b a l ame ndments :—Clause 134—in the dissenting fro m it, it would be useless to send first line, to omit " such ;in the second line, to omit • the Bill for the consid. ration of the House. 4 S aid." Clause 135—before " Corporation," to insert Why were they then called upon to discuss the measure, said."--Agreed to. or were the Government really serious in their intention lic } i r. G. HOPE reported from the Committee on Group on the matter ?—(Hear, hear.) Let him call the atten • 4 that they had adjourned until after Easter, as lion of the House to the mode and manner in which the t'ttny of the bills in the group were not yet before the Bi l l w as to he brnuttht forward He should ask his cternittee. fellow-country men on the opposite side of the House i f they The report was ordered to he laid on the table. seriously thought that transporting a man from his family, LONDON AND SALISBURY RAILWAY. for being out of his house after a certain hour, would Mr..„ BANKES presented petitions from several places arrest the arm of the noonda y assassits, or did they is Ihrsetshire in favour of this railway. think that such would avail ? (" Hear, hear," from the OLDHAM RAILWAY. Ministerial benches.) Now, as to the bill itself; it was e Mrs BROTHERTON presented petitions in faiour of on the 22d da y of January that her most gracious ' 4 e Oldham railways. Majesty, its her speech from the throne, called the ~at WEST OF SCO ELAND JUNCTION. tention of the H ouse to the state of Irslend and the Mr. ,r. HASTIE presented petitions in favour of the unfortunate p revalence of assassination that existed "est of Scotland Junction Railway. therein. Now, he wished to ask if it was not MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. the first duty of Government to enact measures honeßir A. C LIFFORD appeared, and summoned the calculated to e n su r e safet y a n d p rotection for life ? at e to appear at the bar of the House of Lords, to (" He ar, hear," from the Ministerial benches.) Now, b ear her Majesty's royal assent given by Commission su pp osin g the Government to he sincere in their inten be several Bills (for which see Lords' report). tions, and that they thought the present rill would he Its the course of a few minutes the SPEAKER re - effectual, ou g ht the y to have allowed a single day t11 "d and informed the House that the royal assent to p ass, after the Bill had p assed the Lord.. bad been given in the House of Lords to several Bills. withou t introducin g it ?—(Thar, hear.) But what was Sir ANDREW ',Erni HAY presented a petition the course p ro p osed ? Was the measure brought on in sign e d by the inhabitants of seven parishes in Aberdeen, the first. week or fortnight ? Not at all. Was Praying that the measure with respect to the corn-laws it brought in in three weeks after ?No ; and 11 (ia , under the consideration of her Majesty's Govern- a month nearly was allowed to pass before the Life meat might speedily pass into a law. Protection Bill (according to the notions of Ministers) An Hoer. MEMBER (whose name we could not learn) was introduced to their Lordships. And when the Bill Ptesent e d a p et i t i on from Warrington in Lancashire, had been introduced into the Lords, had there been praying that the measures proposed by her Majesty' s an y p articular s p eed or dispatch evinced in getting it Government with respect to the corn-laws might speedily throne h?By no meant.—(Hear, hear.) The measure Pass into a law. The lion. Meath: r also presented was not introduced until the 10th of February to the Lords, s everal other petitions from the same place in favour of who did not pass it before the 13th of Mirch ; and here they II limitation of the hours of labour. were at that moment, on the 3ath of March, about to take the Mr. P. BORTHWICK presented a "most nu first reading. Now, was it by any means uncharitable to I ,9tisly signed petition" in favour of the Ten Hours think, such being the circumstances, that the Government was ta serious in bringing on the me ure at all ?—( Hear, hear.) The Labour Bill. the Irish Members felt themselves called upon to interpose , as Sir JAMES GRAHAM presented a petition from they could not consent to the first reading of the Bill ; and : High Sheriff and grand jury of the county 01 why, he wished to know , were they then ca ll e d u p on to enter Leitri m , which was adopted at the late spring assizes , in into a debate on this disagreeab le q uestion, and thus cause f avour of the Government Bill for the Suppression of delay to the progress of a measure (the Corn Bill) in the eritne of Ireland. speedy enactment of which the entire people of England were day Mr. WILLIAMS gave notice that, on the order of the concerned?—( Hear.) He wished to address a few words to the protectionist party, and in particular to the Noble Lord t he being read for going into a Committee of Supply on ~'l O Estimates, he would call the attention of the House (Lord G. Bentinck) the leader of that party.—(Hear.) He was aware that he had laid great stress upon the peculiar t "! th e defective mode adopted in manning the navy, and importance of the question of the corn-law. He knew that o the manner in which courts-martin) are conducted. many gentlemenopposite might not be so anxious for the corn- THE VICTORY UPON THE SUTLEJ. law as gentlemen on that side of the House, and many might Sir ROBERT PEEL give notice that, on Thursday in consequence vote for any measure that would have the effect neat h e wou ld move a vote of thanks to Sir H. Smith of postponing the corn-law. A Noble Lord o pp osite (Lord fli t' the glorious victory gained on the 28th January last G. Bentine k ) said that he would g ive every encouragement "ter the Seikhs on the banks of the Sutlej. to the Government in carrying through the Bill if the ;corn- THE MILITIA. law measure was postponed. Now, might he . presume to Dr. BOWRING gave notice that he would, in a few entreat the Noble Lord to see in what positi on he was p laced . 1/ nings, ask the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary- by that proposal. The Government were about to do what he suggested they should do, and were ready to postpone for a 4e4 Var, whether any arrangements had been made for few weeks its consideration. The par t y with whom callin g out t h e m ili t i a . the Noble Lord was connected, if they vo t ed with the CHARING CROSS BRIDGE. In reply to a question from Sir DE LACY EVANS, Noble Lord, would vote, therefore , on these grounds for the postponement of the corn-law question. He (Sir W. Somer- Sir o . R. PEEL said that the Coaatnittee for the purpose vile) hoped, however, that they would look upon this measure t e ; Inquiring into the merits of the Bill at present in the as a question to sut,serve political convenience, and that they ruse, to enable the proprietors of the Charing - cres s would not trifle with the feelings of the people of Ireland by 'ridg e t o se ll it to another party, would be appointed in regarding it in that light. It was possible that the Noble Lord 4 few days. might have the Government of the country entrusted t o h i m. — ... Mr. COLLETT wished to know whether the pro- (Laughter. ) Yes, it might be so, for it was impossible to say rters of other projects interested in the report would what might be the case in the future course of even t s , and he l'a heard before the Committee ? hoped that they would not vote for the measure on any other Sir. PEEL was uuderstook to say, that the Com- grounds than the claims and merits which the Government R w ould put forward on its behalf. Having said thus much, he tl:tit.tee would take into consideration any subject thought it was better for him to decline ma ki ng an y further ob ,eh:h came within their = 2 trOvinee, but they would only servations at present. The discussion wou ld create an g r y feel "it into consileration those Bills which had been pre- bags, and be a source of great irritation, and he was of opinion sensed to Parliament .luring the present session. that it would be better to postpone it than to embitter the good JEWS IN RUSSIA. feelings which then prevailed in the House. It would be bet tor.l, IL BERKELEY wished to ask the Right Hon. ter also for the Government to pospons it. The Bill never r.,,ronet (Sir Robert Peel) whether he was aware that could be sanctioned by the Irish Members on his (the Opposi- Li" Emperor of Russia had issued an ukase for the ex- Lion) side of the House.—( Hear, hear.) He hoped that the little . sion of the Jews from that country ? Government would take advantage of the delay that must of v Sir ROBERT PEEL said he received some informa- necessi f ty h o e cc il i o r u , and theirhe c h a e ll r ed ri u g upon them to pl i, a ,i c e e d u e p h on r t s he !e'll on the subject, one or two years ago, to the effect table Th er There was doli measures.—(Loud res The — Governmen e t e had t abunranceof e t t ime I to that an ukase had been issued by the Emperor, not fir told the House that they had in preparation a landlord and the expulsion of the Je es from the territory, but for tenant Bill (Hear, hear) let them place it upon n earer their removal from the frontier towards the interior, cud the table of the House. Let them also place upon the table c_earer India. He understoo • however, that the order of the House a Franchise Bill ; let them bring forward a Was suspended and not carried in,o effect. Bill for the amendment of the municipal corporations.— THE CATHOLIC PRIEST OF THE 50TH (Hear.) And he was certain that if they did so they would REGIMENT. have a better chance of getting this m tasure passed, although, Mr- O'CONNELL wished to ask the Right Hon. as he had befose said, the present severity of the Bill never could be Asanndctiiofne, they by the Irish Members on his side of the Gentleman, the Secretary-at-War (Mr. S. Herbert), if the y did they would al to the s tatement which had been put forward in the newspapers House.e of Ireland that e their attention no 4 t ° b p ee ro n ve directecl that a Catholic priest in attendance in his spiritual ett- . people to the punishment of evil-doers, but that the well- Tetchy on the Catholic so ldi ers of this reg i ment i n India. behaved, the well-conducted, and the patient, would have their and who had been kill e d i n one o f t h e rec ent engage- share of consideration, on the part of the Government; and teems on the banks of th e Sutlej, was re f u s e d any re- that there were also Bilis in preparation, not of severity alone, teuneration for his serv i ces , or an y accom m o d a tion for but such as would tend to increase the welt-being of the Idae c o n veyance of his baggage from place to place, and country, and produce peace and happiness throughout the that he was compelled to pay for such transmission out whole of Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) He had promised to at- Of his own purse, was true ? tend to the particular merits of the Irish Assassination Bill, Mr. S. HERBERT said he had received no further in- and he had scrupulously endeavoured to do so. He had avoided, as far as he could. the introduction of any irritating une nat i on on t h e su bj ec t th an th a t furnished in the topic.—( Hear.) He had been actuated , he could assure the Columns el the I)ellti Gazette. Government and the Hou'e, by the sincerest motives in brine .SPIRITUAL INS [RUCTION TO THE CATHOLIC ing forward his motion. He conceived that if they pr - "o- SOLDIERS IN INDIA. • ceeded with the first reading of this Bill it would be detri Mr. O'CONNELL inquired if any provision had been mental to the best interests of the country.—(Cheers.) He, bade for affording spiritual instruction to the Catholic therefore, begged leave to negative the motion of the Right soldiers in India during the present war ? Hon. Baronet. Mr. S. HERBERT said 2.500/. was distributed in that Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN then proceeded to address the Part; of India tor the instruction of Catholic soldiers. On Heusein a very indis'inct a tone of voice, and said, in e the course t the average 60,0001. a year was distributed in different of his . observations , that t s h t t t he t t f th Bill werer months,procede e d w , would lastand which, Parts of India among these soldiers, under the direction would tbringingedinovfolvacon , contest to Ireland,would only exasperate their of the Governor-General. The Board of Directors a feelings ine against the English Government. He would appeal the East India Company had recently passed a resolu to the Right Honourable Gentleman, whether it was well. lien authorising the Governor-General to increase that timed to bring in such a measure, when the people of Irelaed amount it he saw a necessity for doing so The subject were in a state of starvation Let him remind the Right Hon. should receive the most earnest attention of the Govern- Gentleman ( Sir J. Graham) that he had only 120 supporters ke n t in that House, and he would therefore like to know how he After a few words from Mr. O'CoNNELL and Sir J. could expect to carry a Bill of this kind a t ainst the formidable Iteetesee, the subject droered. opposition which was arrayed against him. He could only GRAND JURIES (IRELAND). calculate on the support of a small portion who sat on the Mr. CALEB PO WELL wished to ask the R i g ht Hon. same side as themselves , as he ( Sir James Graham) did. He did not think he Ge ld enter into negotiations with Isar onet if it was the intention of her Majesty's Govern- Honourable Members on his side of the House, because the went to introduce any measure for an alteration of the Right Honourable Baronet, the Member for Tamworth, had I Pre sen t grand jury system in Ireland. failed in that respect, and would go down to posterity as the dis- Si rJ. GRAHAM did not think that a long time avowed plenipotentiary. Then the Noble Lord the Member YOuld elapse before some measure was introduced by for Lynn (Lord G. Bentinek) said—"lf you introduce this tier Majesty's G o vernment.relat l ive to that subject, measure before Easter, and defer the Corn'Bill, we shall sup Several Bills were brought up from the Lords, and pert you; but if you proceed with the Corn Bill, and ordered to ord lie on the table. defer this Bill until after Easter, we shall oppose you IRISH COMMISSION. Was that the support on which the Government relied for carrying a measure of this kind ? If they took . Mr. WILLIAMS had not heard precisely the answer the advice of the Chief Justice of England —the of the Noble Lord, and he would, therefore, beg to ask most eminent authority in criminal matters— they would • the Ri g ht Hon. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's assist them in opposing the Pill in all its stages, and afford 'Government whether it was intended to proceed with the those who now opposed it, on the ground he did, an opportunity Lornmission with respect to the proscribed districts ? of exposing their present bad Government in Ireland. But if The CHANCELLOR or the EXCHEQUER thought they should succeed in putting the Bill on the Statute-book that the Hon. „Gentleman would understand that it was it would give those who were in favour of the repeal of the ithpoesible to proceed with the commission, because, union the strongest reason for continuing their agitation. hecer(Ung to the rules of the House, the commission were Under these circumstances, not wishing to say anything unable to act, as several of the members who had for- irritating, ,, h t e should n e n .o f n h c i l s ud i Lle n y l ear n e d ssing ße h . i o s te inte h n o t w io e n ve o r f haerly been engaged on that commission were not now s h i e ipp r o e r s t u m m e ed he t his m seat, he wished to read an extract from the members of that body. " Sessional Orders," to show that the Government, by the - Mr. WJLLIAMS would then wish to ask whether it course they were adopting, were violating the privileges of Wes intended at present to p•roceed with the Commission ? the House. The Hon. Gentleman then read an extract from The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could these orders, setting forth that the orders of the day should hot say at the prewnt moment. • be disposed of before proceeding with any fresh bu-iness. lIE ALT II OF TOWNS. Now when a Minister of State called on them to set aside the , i „ Lord EBRINGTONr wished to ask the Right Hon. orders of the House, were the y not p erfectly justified in moving 1 4Tonet at the head of t.he liorne Department a clues- the adjournment of the Bill ? tion respecting the business for eo-merrow, and that was, Sir JAMES GRAHAM Whether the Government had co:we to any decision re- most convenient to the House if he would . submit to the donesideration of the Hon. Members the circumstances antler be for the great number of WI, ter-works Bills now which her Majesty's Government •sousht the introduction of uefor e the House. As this matter b, 're upon the Heath the present measure, in direct opp isition to the standing of Towns' Commission, now under tile management of orders of the House. The present Bill had been sent down -,- Government, he wished to know what course would be from the House of Lords , an d it was com p etent for that House as it was very . taken in the House upon these measures, (the House of Commons),upon such Bills being sentdown, at once desirable th it the Government should r et , o • ti om -id tn i e b n r d wa tt r i d e to refer them to the first reading, without any preliminary pro ceeding. In the other House it was open to lie upon the table of pt some such Ileuse to ado measures as 1 , 7 the House any Bill which any Noble Lord might think proper these Bills a stage or two. PROTECTION OF LIFE (IRELAND) to introduce. No leave was required for the introduction of the Bill, and as a matter of course it was read a first time. The Sir J. GRAHAM had not at present- come' so any standing orders of the House of Commons were, however, dif decision as to the course which he intended to ilursue, BILL. A ferent, as( it was necessary to obtain leave of the House be nzine regard to the Bills to which the Noble L ore ' h , au f ore a ny 11 c add be introduced. But .when a Bill came ;!lulled ; but the course which he would recomment.' t ° down from the Upper House, it was a general rule to read it a t ile House was, that these Bills should be brought f orwai 'd fi rst t i me without any preliminary motion. All the other Rh fast as possible. But the Noble Lord would understand days for motions had been anticipated, and he could assure the that t h e orders .of motion should take precedence Hones that after the long and protracte th d o d n i ff s h eu t ssions upon the the time hid of the notices of the day, and it was in acca , dance with ,'ete Government measure, he really . the strict rules of the House to a bide by this c ourse. arriveei. when, with reference tot esectutty O . f life an_sl property to Iridium, it was necessary that the opinion of Parliament 'douse, could not, therefore, without the sanction of the should be giv.`n upon the principle of the measure introduced 'dous e , make such a motion. The strict rules of the by her Majesty's Government. It would be vain to dissemble house were, that on Mondays and Fridays the o rders from the House the extreme difficulty of the position in which ' of the day should have precedence of motions. Without the Government was then placed. They did think it was • . the sanction, then, of the House, he could not move for paramount, and of the first impertance with reference to Postponement of the motion ; but he was now quite the condition of Ireland,reland that at the commencement of at G e e a v l e t rn er m at * toady t o move that the House should give the precedence the T of gtaffre h de e et r d oa M fn aj i e ttuh s t am e t ' e s d i Government to the notice of motion over the order of the day. Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he rose for the purpose in the corn-laws. r n n n m o u e n n cet as m e r n t the should se s s b i men; of the Irish Gov e a r announced ashere ' '2 l. moving that the words "be postponed" be omitted certainly was the der h ange ed g with the conduct of affairs ther e ; from the motion of the Right Hon. Baronet, and that garded the person h he had 'the orders of the day be proceeded with. It For s t is w tance of the Secretary for Ireland. He lyould not be necessary for him to trouble theor reasons whic e s s i e ar s - not necessary for him to relate, tort had the ,tl s 0 valuable been disc di s appointed of the assistance of the Earl of Lin ;louse at any length on the present occasion, coin. and though he would not lay much stress on that circuits but h e wished to call the attention of the Housegave him some claim to the great inconvenience that would arise from the sutpannnc e t„h y e e consideration at e of timethe h H e the considerat h ic e n d 'Postponement of a measure which had occupied th e atten- of a measure of so much importance, the Bill for which la 4.ion of the House for so. long a time, and on which the n th us o e t:g i h n t t i t t ,4ing been sent down from the other House of Parliament, by.ans then rg en e attention of the people of this e mpire m i g ht b e said to a m ajority as that which had passed it. The 9 Hensetl) ould be centred ; and scarcely less inconvenience woad be was, how far the usual principle of the and her f e lt from the fact Of the Government b r i e • f , -I,rd be adhered to? He did not hesitate to in the ging civets s at this early stage of the session an exciting and ex- 1 Majesty's Government were perfectly sincere . in the declare , on, that the decision on the Corn Bill should be come to as , ti on, debate on a measure which, after a ti, whilst * t - " I aas th e intention of Government to have recite 1 , i speedily as possible ; yet, would expressing this opinion, he not conceal the impression which they entertained. that a first time d then ,t en duntil future ~ an p.,s .p.. e some it was necessary to carry on the measure . come d ay. It WM necessary for him to enlarge on the o 'own from the other House, without the least possible delay, in convenience which would arise from the post- i f or the protection of life and property in Ireland. He con -3)(-'nercent of the debate with reepect to the corn-laws, 1 cur s e a that the moral effect of a ready declaration of the prin I `and n o er • were more aware of that fact than her ti - .of the Bill would be to i 1,,_. 1:: SOBS pie prevent much disorder, and i ""alesty s Government, atid the Right Hon. Baronet at I possibly the sacrifice of life in that country ; while then, it was their head, who had himself presented petitions depre- I exceedingly desirable that the Corn Bill should be paned as eatin g in the strongest language the delay which had speedily as possible, it was also necessary, on the other bend, - l ' i tkeu place on this measure. Ile had 1 0 a tito re- : that the savetio senthe House should be given to the measure ' which had beepdown to that House from the other branch noise. Mr. O'CONNELL would oppose the motion of the Right Honourable Gentle :Tian. He was actually ealling upon the House to trample upon one of its own s essional orders. That sessional order had been nude for THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY M the benefit_ of the _public, in order that they might not be taken by sadden surprise. The Right. iTon. Giciitleman bird' talked of the moral effect on Ireland by the majority of that House. Did he not think that the Irish people would be much more affected by the suspension of their orders than by a ma jority of the House ? They were accustomed to hear of majo rities of that House on measures connected with their own in terests. He hoped that the motion would not he persevered 'in; he would say that no advantage would be gained by pressing this irregular motion. Mr. CALEB POWELL believed that the real opinion of the people of England was that the Corn Bill should take pre cedence of any ether measure. He should like to ask the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn, what was the opinion of his party connected with this matter? Lord GE.OIIGE BENTINCK had no objection to state the feelings of the pirty with whom he was connected. He would only say that if the day should come when his party should be come responsible for the government of Ireland, protection would never be extended to the broad day murderer or the midnight assassin. Then protection would be given to the poor and honest man in discharge of his lawful duties and proper avo cation. NT hen he looked at the statements raade bya Minister ofthe Crown in the other Howse, and when he saw that in ten counties offences against the person, offences against the pro perty. and offences against the public peace, amounted to 4,782, he should state that he concurred with the !Marquis of Clanricarrle, in the necessity for Dressing on the present measure.—( Hear.) He also concurred with the Marquis of Lansdowne, in thinking that, a measure for the protection of life should be the precursor of every measure of benefit. He concurred with that Noble Lord, that it was of no use to pro po-e measures of improvement so long as no man was suffered to pursue the occupation of his industry without betr.g assailed by the hand of the midnight assassin and noon-day murderer. —( Hear, hear.) For these reasons it was the intention of Hon. Members with whom he acted to give their hearty and honest support to the measure of her Majesty's Ministers. The Right Hon. the First Lord of the Treasury had told the House that the Bill was one for the suppression of assassina tion; and he (Lord G. Bentinck) believed, that the blood of every murdered creature, and of every creature that would he murdered, would rest on the heads of her Majesty's Ministers, did they assent to further delay.—( Loud cries of " No, no," from the Opposition benches.) What was the state of things existing in Ireland ? Why, it was not alone those who had given offence that were assassinated. but also pregnant women were shot from behind hedges.— (Cries of " Oh, oh ") He repeated the statement.—( Cries of " Name, name.") Yes, he would name. There was the instance of Fanny APErrell, the wife of a woodranger, shot for no other offence than that her husband was supposed to be over active in arresting tres passers upon the estate of his master.—(Cheers from the Mi nisterial benches, with cries of "Where ?" from the Opposition ) He could name the place—it was in the county of Tyrone. The unfortunate woman lingered for a few days, mircarrled in child-birth, and then died of her wounds.—( Renewed Minis terial cries of " Hear, hear.") Was that a state of things to be endured?—(Cries of " No, no," from the Ministerial party.) But was that a solitary instance? How many days ago was it since Sir David Roche had been shot at, for no other crime than that of refusing one tenant to eject the widow of that tenant's brother, while yet her husband's remains were lying in the House not quite cold?—( Hear, hear.) Nor was that all, for the state of Ireland appeared to be that no man or aged lady could go to church without risk of being shot at.— (Oh, oh.) Yes, there was the case of Mrs. Bennett, an aged lady of eighty, who was stoppld on her way to church by two cowardly ruffians, one armed with k wattle and the other with a pistol, which was twice snapped in her face, and that be cause she refused to turn off two faithful servants. one of whom had been shot at and wounded desp irately on a former occasion. Had they not the statement of Lord Farnham, made in the other House of Parliament, to show that Mr. Bell Borehe,while coming from church with his two children, was murdered in the broad day, in the presence of hundreds, yet the murderers were suffered to escape?—( Hear.) They were told that the murderers were still in the country ; the houses they visited were well known, yet no person dared to arre=t there.— ( Hear, hear.) Then there was the last account of the 7th of the present month, where they were shown how Mr. Ryan, his wife, ten children, and five servants, while on their knees at prayer, bail a leaded blunderbuss discharged into the room, the assassin thinking that the bust opportunity of making the shot more effective?—(Hear, hear.) Were they then to be tsld that, when they supported Ministers in patine down such an infamous system, they were acting from factious or party motives ?—(" No, no," from the Ministerial side.) He should say, that for himself, as also for the Hon. Gentlemen who acted with him, they were determined that liberty and freedom should not be mockeries, but that every man should enjoy them, unawed by the vengeance of the midnight assassin and the broad day murderer.—( Hear.) Mr. C. PO WELL said he had been informed that the minutes of a conversation between the Noble Lord who had just sat down and an accredited Government agent was in the possession of that Noble Lord, and he merely wished to know if it was his intention to produce it?—( Cries of " Order.") Lord G. BENTINCK, in reply, stated that his letter was in the hands of Ministers, and he bad no objection to its pro duction. —( Hear, hear. ) Sir G. G itEY hoped the House would not be led into a premature discussion on the question to the prejudice of the great and important measure (the Corn Bill . ; previously before their House.—( Hear, hear.) Doubtless the time would come when the Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite would have to state the reasons that induced them to bring in such a measure, and also when the Hon. Members at large should decide whether or not the measure met the remedy which it proposed to redress. He was of opinion that the question put by way of amendment — whether the Corn Bill should have precedence of the Coercion Bill—was that on which they were called upon to decide. And for his own part he was prepared to press for a divtson on the matter, as he was decidedly of .opinion that the Corn Bill should have precedence.—( Hear, hear.) He assured the House that in adapting that course he did not do so with a view to obstruct the measures of the Ministry ; but, finding a Bill, the debate on which had exceeded the time occupied in debate by all others, then likely to be postponed, though within a stage or so of its final settlement, he could not act otherwise than in opposing that postponement, remembering the vast number, agricultural, manufacturing, and mercantile, who were anxious to have a final decision pronounced by Parliament on the question introduced by its leaders.—( Hear, hear.) Did they postpone the tneasure at present, it could riot be re sumed till after Easier, when it would come on in the shape of a new question, amid be again debated at increased length. Under these circumstances, then, and looking to the great importance of putting an end to the uncertainty that existed, and the stagnation and paralysatien under which trade and commerce laboured, because of the indecision of that House, he ( Sir G. Grey) would , feel himself compelled to support the amendment proposed by his Hon. Friend, to the effect that the Corn Bill should take precedence of all other measures.— ( Hear, hear. ) Mr. H. GRATTAN said that, in giving his support to the amendment of h s Hon. Friend, he would at the same time do everything in his power to put down the spirit of outrage and insubordination that existed in some parts of Ireland. He would do so, not alone as he was a Member of that House, but, as he was a resident country gentleman in Ireland ; and not merely as landlord, but also as a prot ictor of the tenant, the labourer, and the peasant. At the same time, he was not going to censure her .Majesty's Ministers for their tardiness in introducing the measure, though he should say that such mea sures had been found aseless during a period that ex tended from 1810 to 1646.—( Hear, hear.) Knowing that the measure would fail, and feeling that another and a diffe rent one was needed. ke should give it his decided opposition. —f Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Ministry took care, in October last, to provide food for the people, and, at the same time, he might have provided also for the protection of life and property. He said that to show that, even should the Bill be delayed, there existed powers to enable the authorities to put clown these outrages, without the inter vention of that libellous Bill.—( Hear, hear.) The sherriff had the command of the entire passe in every county in Ire land ; and if they, aided by the woe ry of the county who were resident, and not absentees, aided that officer in the repression of crime, there woul 1, in his opinion, soon he an end of all disturbance. But when gentlemen absented themselves, aban • doped their duty, and rendered themselves unpopular by such conduct, they then came forward and united in a cry for the proclamation of a district, where nothing save their own conduct made them unpopular.—( Hear, hear.) Let the gentlemen of Ireland but do their duty, wh ch they did not do, and there would be an end of all disturbaiete. It was idle for them to look for power, and police, and military, to pro tect them from the ebullitions of an unpopularity which they brought on themselves. Moreover, be would not stigmatise his country by voting for the enactment of a measure which branded thirty-two counties with infamy, when only five or six were affected by the mania.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. S. HERBERT (whose opening observations were in audible in the gallery) was understood to say, that though he fully agreed in the paramount importance of the corn measure. still, at the same time, he should say, that no man who had watched the state of society in Ireland could entertain a doubt of the necessity that existed for instantly press ing on the measure introduced by the Ministry for the better protection of life in Ireland.—( Hear, hear). The Noble Lord made a statement with regard to the state of crime in Ireland, and if the House disbelieved the truth of the statements it should go into a discussion upon them, and say whether they were or were not true. He must say, looking at the statements that were made elsewhere, that nothing was so horrible as the state of social disquietude in Ireland. Nothing was so complete as the abrogation of legal authority in some parts ; and was it possible for Ministers to allow other mea sures, of whatever great importance they might be, to interfere and not to postpone them until a decision was taken upon the principle of the measure which proposed to arrest this state of things in Ireland. There was a feeling in that House, that this measure was not required, or that other measures should precede it, so as to more certainly interfere with the commission of crime. He trusted that the House would not confirm the motion of his Hon. Friend. It was not true that Government had attempted to suspend, or give the right of suspending, the ..rder of the day with a view to take an unfair advantage. The Right Hon. Baronet himself, said that it was a most difficult case, and the course he proposed to take was the most legal and the most ordinary course that could be proposed. He did not attempt to take the House by surprise; he merely prop ised that the orders of the clay should be post poned by the consent of the House, after having been read, and that the discussion on this euestion should be taken if the House was willing to accede to the proposition. The course the Hon. Gentleman had taken was a very unusual one. He trusted that the House would refuse to sanction the motion of his Hon. Friend ; and without in the least degree undervaluing or underrating the importance of the measure before the House, he trusted they would see the necessity of passing the measure which proposed to give security to life and property in Ireland ; and those persons who could he attacked by the Bill had a right to demand from that House that the subject should be taken into Chair earliest consideration. Lord JOHN RUSAELL—With regard to the , general question of the precedence of the Hon. Member ' s motion, or of the orders of the day for the Importation of Corn, I should be satisfied to rest it on the state ment made by the Honourable Member for Devon, but there are one or two circumstances which have occurred in this debate, of which I feel myself compelled to take notice before going to a division on the subject. I will not interfere, one way or the other, with the charge made by my Hon. Friend, the Member for Lynn; or the defence made by the Hon. Gentleman opposite, with regard to the delay said to have occurred in bringing forward this Bill. I trust that my Hon. Friend, who disclaims the name of a leader, and yet does attempt to speak the sentiments of tho majority of this House on frequent occasions, will not do so rash a thing as to make any accusation, whether against the party in possession of power or the party which has long differed from the opinions of her Majesty's Ministers, or to expect that this question will pass off without some great opposition. With regard to the question before the House, I must say that the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for the Home Department and the Right Hon. Gentleman who has last spoken have placed it on a different ground from that on which it ought to be placed. The other evening, he was saying that lie wished the principle of this Bill to be af firmed by the House, considering the moral effect it would have on parties in Ireland. Sir, I cannot consider the ques tion before the House, as my Rig ht Hon. Friend justly placed it, as a motion for any unusual purpose. It was to prevent the time of the Heuse being occupied; and to affirm that the more convenient course that the House could pursue for the sake of the public is to proceed with the discussion of a Bit which has been long under the consideration of the House, and to post pone untilh future time a subject which has not been under con sideration. My Right Hon. Friend is justified in saying that the case would be altered if Government said that they wished to advance this Bill through several stages for the im mediate protection of life in Ireland, but they say that they will resume the discussion on the corn question, and that the been given by the Government, and Hon. Members on. the 1 reflectiors which were consolatory in proposing this measure, second reading of the Protection to Life mad Property in Ire• other side of the House, ;o the strong representations of the He would not make a sweeping accusation against the Irish l a nd tali shall not take place for some weeks hence—until after Iris's: eTembers against this measure He knew the rearen. and prop e general:. This Bel wag only required for certain die the Corn Bill, the Customs' Bill, and the Puer's Removal Bill the people o f Ireland ate) knew the reason. Ihe Right Hon. , trims in Irciai,d. They had been accused of bringing the have had the consideration of this Rome : I ask, whet can Gentleman the Secretary at War (Mr. Sidney Herbert) had urea ure forward abruptly and prematurely. He might be be the moral effect of taking the first r ailing of a Bill ? I ask, spoke , ' in a dept cetory manner of the oprosition premised by l permitted to mate that tor nearly five years the Government w hether the Irish will ciimmir less outrages—whether the Irish Members to every stage of the We, and by every form of '', had conducted the affairs of the country in difficult times, and murderer will be deterred by knowing that a Bill has been the House. But he would tell that Right Hon. elemb, r that iin adverse circumstances '•Until and they had never had recourse to read for the first time? I ask, whether there is trot consider- they did not choose to allow the last remeant of liberty left i extr a ordinar y p ower,. that mot they h dis , able danger—when we are to have t h e readin g of a Bill, and them to be taken away without a resolute struggle, and he charged their duty relying on the execution of the existing th e discussion consequent upon it, without the benefit of en- would further tell him that by passing toat mea-ure, the Go- I law. In more than rine instance they had relinquished the eactment—if all the virtue to be given to the existing powers vernment would trample out in the minds of the Irish people existing laws. They had not felt it their duty to apply to Par by the Bill are to be suspended, and an exciting effect caused whatever little feeling might yet remain in favour of the legis- liament for the renewal of the enactment with respect to Ire upon the population ? These are the reasons which the Right lative union.—( Hear, hear.) He would inform him that land of an aggressive charecter. On some occasions they had Hon. Baronet has given for proceeding with the Bill, and they they (the Irish Members) would fight the battle firmly, removed some which were of an aggressive character. Let are reasons which tell entirely the other way, and entirely in stoutly, and openly, even though they were a small party, them, for instance, look to the Unlawful Oaths Bill. There favour of proceeding the other way. Let him say that he does They eere a small party, and of that they had complained for' were provisions its that Bill liable to be abused, and they not consider himself justified in voting for the m otion of m y the last forty-five years—ever since they had carriedout the I were removed. With respect to the Arms Bill—the Hon. Friend the Member for Drogheda. It wi ll b e the p art execrable union against the tieople of Ireland. He complained clause requiring blacksmiths to be licensed had been withdrawn. of the Right lion. Gentleman to show the state of outrage they were a small party ; but to that they e ere indebted to the I He must also be permitted to remind the House, that the vari existing in Ireland—to show what are the crimes that have union, and that was one matter which, with many others, they cm measures which had been brought forward by the Govern been committed—aud to s how that the Bill will sought to redress. Solemn promises bad been made to them, ment in the course of the last two years had been received in a have the effect of preventing them. Th at will he but which haft never been fulfilled. They had been ptomised I spirit of unfriendly feeling by the great majority of the per pie i the ease the Right Hon. Gentleman will have to m ake t hat I re l a nd should hive g iven to her all those coneitetienal of Ireland. He knew that a great differsnce existed as to the , out, and if the House should refuse to sanction the motion of p rivile g es which En g land p ossessed. But this had never been practical t ffeet of those measures, which were intended as peace I my Hon. Friend, it will consider it necessary that some ease fulfilled, and hence it was that they sou g ht to have their own offerings. He would more particularly refer to the Bequest for the first reading of the Bill should he made nut. I live Parliament back again, and a repeal of the legislative union. 1 Bill, which afforded great facilities fur the endow the House will not consent to the proposition, a n e w ill m o te The p-ounces ma d e t o I r eland had been most bountifully broken, I ment of the Roman Catholic clergy, and for providing 1 pone this Bill until some future time, evim though it should be and not the slightest disposition shown to do jus t ice to that for religious houses and sites fir chapels.—( Hear, hear.) carried in its present rash s eepe—so as to give the Government country. But, if the I r ish Members in that House were a I Ile weull alto refer particularly to the Bel which lan opportunity of proposing more remedial measures. I ask small party, he could say they were strong in the affections of I he had the honour to propose with reference to the provision for no measure beyond those on which the G overnment has the peo; le. They now came forward and taunted them with for the educ a tion of R oman C a th o li cs i n the C o llege of iMay declared its intention to legislate—namely, to alt er the law as being a small party. True, they were a small party ; but they nnoth, which gave great offence, s nit whi c h, he was sorry to re ga rded lai dlord and tenant, and the Municipal Corpo ration had eight millions of Irish hearts at their Issas, and they feared , say, gave great offence to his supporters on his own side of the Bill. I wi,h that the list of Irish grievances ceu ld be mmtned net House. That measure he, i n u n i son w ith hi s co ll e agues in for the i ssue . Th e only answer that had been that eight I up in these topics, but they are more e xten s i ve . Ido not ask drawn from the Treasury Bench was one in answer to the "flee, thought it his duty to brim!, fieward. The bringing for the Government to propose any other measures, b-st to proceed Noble Lord at th e h ea d o f the protection party, who seemed— 'ward of those Bills was, to his mind, a con c lusive proof that when it is time fur proceeding , and to obtain p eace. When we if his own speech that ni g ht were to be taken into account-- I the Government entertained no ho file Ice ings whatever t i the come tr. con sider the ctimee of which the lion. Member for to imagine that he was to be the future Miniver of England, i Irish p. ople.--( Hear.) The Road of Edueation in Ireland Lynn has given a sample, we are b ound to consider whether or anti already determined te mislet islate fir the Irish people. I had also been made more off cruel during the last year, and n ot the me asure might in some degree remove the cause of He was also the leader of a very sma ll p ar ty, w hi c h wo uld i there were at the present mornentbetwe. n 400,0e0 and 500,000 them. I beg leave to say, with regard to newspaper accounts in time be still less, because they were metes , d to get etving a good education under the euperintendence of that which the Right lion. Gentleman has referred to, I ales have the policy of giving cheap food to the people. They were board. Provision had also been mad.- fur the thorough educe read an account in a newspaper of a whole villa g e, containing told b y the Noble Lord that the course adopted by the Right tion of the children of the middle and higher classes. Then, of regulating the laws relating to landlords and tenants. That 275 houses, having been razed to the groun d, ane the inhk- Hon. B a r o net tha t e venin g was acommot, practice. He thought again, the Government had introduced a Bill fur the purpose bitants sent adrift in the high road to see k a shelter, aid even that somethin g more than a merely common practice might be I n o t a ll ow ed t o rema in un der the hedges or the ruins of their introduced when th e l i b e rties of a nation were to be infringed Bill was one of extreme difficulty, and the other H o u se o f . houses to bon th e ir pots o f potatoes. I saw that in a Dublin on. Rut what did the Right Hon. Gentleman ask ? The Parliament considered that, in the stare in which it was t e ndered newspaper, in the statement made by a gentleman, a re- Ri g ht H on . G ent i emann h o was l eav i n g the House now—( Mr. to them, not sufficiently matured, and they therefore did tot po r t e r o f th e paper; and in that statement he Sidney Herbert, who was pa ss ing the bar at the moment, re- I extend to it their sanction. Daring the recess the Govern said that the c i rc umstances were pe:sonally known turned to his seat on the Treasury Bench. )--(Loud cries of meat had bestowed much consideration upon the que s tion of to him. It is nec es s ary to take up these euielects " Question, question.") If it wer e the pleasure of the House providing a better law for the tenants of Ireland. Th e y h a d together, after the consideration of the Corn Bill has to adjourn, he was very ready to do so. The Right Hon. done all in their power for the purpose of co-operating with the been disposed of, as the condition of landlord and tenant is Gentleman—and he was very sorry that he had been obliged to Commission over which Lord Devon had presided, and of which not improved, and to give the Executive Government power detain him—told the House that they were liable, by their four Members of the lleuse formed a conetituent part, and he to check the progress of murder and assassination. Without conduct, to the charge of sanctioning crime in Ireland. was authorised tu say that either he or some other Members of these powers I say that there will not be any great moral ad- To that imputation, he with the same strength with which the the Government would have the honour very shortly of intro vantage or any limit to outrage, unless you are determined to assertion had been made, threw it back on the party who Sid. clueing a measure founded upon the recommendations of that use force fully against assassination, and have a feeling of de- vanced it. He charged them instead with sanctioning crime in board Then he must observe that with reference to this mea termination to stop the causes of these outrages by some other Ireland with the measures they were then proposing, The sure, paireul as it was, and unconstitutional as he admitted it measure as well as this Bill. The present Bill may be en- Noble Lord on the one side accused them of sanctioning the to be, he fur one, foreseeing the necessity of the introduction of forced, and a foundation laid, so that fs ever after a trecemity crime of assassination by postponine the Bill, while nn that side some such measure in the ear ly part of the present session, he for these Bills may be avoided. they were charged with the crime of addin g to the present felt that it was a matter of primary importan ce th a t provision should however be first made for the physical wants of the Sir R. PEEL—In determining the course which the Go- miseries of the Irish peo p le by delaying in any way the passing vernment will adopt with respect to these Bills , to which I of the Corn Bill. He charged the Noble Lora with doing people of Ireland, so far as those wants could be relieved by the attach great importance, Government is in a situation of pe- both; and now he excused the Right Hon. Baronet and his Government; and he certainly could not be a party to the culiar diffieulty, on a cc o unt o f it s p res ent position. 1 certainly Fiends in the Treasury Bench of being accessory to the crimes introduction of this measure unless it had also obtained the did not expect to hear, whatever might have been the discus- of the peasantry. Only two years ago they, the Irish Niembers, sanction of his colleagues, and unless some measure had been sion, any doubt expressed as to the sincerity of her Majesty's o m f u la st st a s l e s a o st b m e came over to this House,'on the occasion of the Landlord and previously introduced, for the purpose of affording the people Government with regard to the Corn Bill. I must refer to the Tenant Commission in Ireland, and their language on that acellroewaeldretaodyobpseerreveeptthi perceptible Ireland.effe ct of thHe He waseasu r r e e ... s of that country food at the cheapest possible rate. Now, he circumstances under which it has been brought forward—to the occasion was notof supplicating men ; their language was this— loss which I have sustained of the confidence of Hon. Members. .. Mind what you are doing for us, and for Heaven's sake take When the time does come, the Hon. Gent lemen shall see care what y ou are doin g with this Commission; you are rousing joined to be enabled t o s t ate t h at th e a d m i ss i on o f ma i ze , f ree whether her Majesty's Government are sincere with regard to the most sanguine hopes in the minds of the desperate peasantry of duty, had already pr :dated the most beneficial effects on the Corn Bill, even in the event of a failure. The of Ireland; you are exciting hopes in their minds, hopes which Ireland.--( Hear, bear.) The demand for that article of food aecusation with regard to this ease I have always shall not be afterwards realised, and it is no use telling us here was very great. It was cheaper than oatmeal; it was supersede denied. With respect to discussion, as to whether power that you are only sendieg out that Commission to ask for in- in g oatmeal ; and the effect of its introduction into Ireland, he - should be given with regard to this Bill, let the House look at formation . " They told the Right Hon. Baronet then that he confidently believed, would have the effect, it not in agreat, at the facts of the case. Certainly, with reard to the full de- could not reason with starvation—that he could not reason with least in some measure, of superseding the use of the potato claration I have made before, in answer tu n a qiiestien addressed ma d ness . Th e y told him to go on, if he so liked, till some among the people of that country, and gradually, but surely, as to me by the Noble Lord on Friday night last, I feel no dim fortunate chance occurred, when he might claim the merit of he hoped, of giving the people a better Paeans of subsistence position to alter it. I sa id that the course her Majesty's wisdom, instead of by that course adopting measures which than they at present possessed. The Government had also Government felt it necessary to pursue was to consider whether would only lead to disappointing the minds of desperate men, brought forward measures for the purpose of encouraging public it was possible to obtain the first reading of the till for the pur- the wild hopes they haul by these measures been led to conceive. works in Ireland; and the demand for loans was great, and pose of obtaining a division upon it. No man can feel more than 1 Has not their words come tree ? He did nor blame the Corn- the effects. he believed, most beneficial to the people of Ireland lid:chilli expenditure of the moneys lent by the Government. do the extreme importanee of the agricultural interest—of a de- missioners;for, for, to the honour ant credit of those gentlemen whose Aril the beneficial effects would be still further increased by a vision being taken on the Corn Bill. I said that I would take this names appeared upon it, they represented things In Ireland .i Coercion Bill after the second reading o f the Corn Bill; and, as- ver y f a irly ; but he maintained that their words ought to have The moral effect, and the social improv e me n t, produc e d by th e sumirg that the division would take place on Friday night, I had some effect on the mind of the Right Hon. Baronet. encouragement of public works in Ireland were most palpable. intended to propose this first reading, If the division of the The Right Hon. Baronet had used some expressions The people who lived in those districts where those works House was in favour of the first rending, I intended to proceed towards Ireland with which they had some right to be were carried on, would have better and more permanent em ment, and they world in a short time be enabled to attain with the Corn Bill, permitting no Go vernment measure what- offended. But, as he had given an apology, he would not Plot' ever to interfere with its progress. I said that for the in- again refer to them further than to say that it was an apology the independent position of the working classes of this country. formation of all parties, in answer to the question of the Noble which was justly due to them. But he had an objection of his Then he might ask, what would be the effects of the education Lord, and to that declaration I must still adhere. I feel own to the present Bill.—(Cries of " Oh, oh," .. Question, of 400,000 or 500,000 children by the officers of the Govern it my duty to ask the decision of the House with regard to question.") A deputation of persons—he could not call them ment ?On all these grounds he was therefore confident in his t h e fi rs t re ading of this Bi I. It has been on the table most gentlemen, because he thought them undeserving of the name anticipations, that the future position of Ireland would be a of the House since the 1 Gth, and I supp osed that the fist of men—went up to the Lord Lieutenant of Ire l a nd . en the prosperous one. The effect of their social improvement reading would be a matter of course. I say. that so far from subject of the disturbances in that country, and he understood eople who had fortunately become much happier and would be recognised by the Legislature, and the Legislature the Hon. Gentleman wishing to proceed with undue precipi- that they prayed of the Lord Lieutenant to oblige them by they afew now were . Legislature There could lie would with great confidence bring forward measures for a tancy,ecith regard to this Bill for Ireland, he proposed, that taking the blood of a man whom his countrymen believed to P elevated v d a o te u d bt that tha than i n for the first time the Bill should be read at once, and after be innocent—he meant the unfortunate man Seery. He (Mr. that, that you should have a delay given to you. If you con- Jehn O'Connell) had placed a notice on the books of that b b e e - rented to take no steps whatever, my Right Honourable House, giving to the deputation what he believed was their guided by a more calculating and kindly spirit with regard to Friend must have another opportunity of laying his proper title, bur he was remonstrated with in private in a Ireland. In the mean time they had to deal with a case of ur- Bill before the House. What other reasons induced him quarter from which he had always received the utmost kind- gent and pressing necessity, to which he could scarcely find any on the part of the Government to propose s uch extraordinary ness and courtesy. He marked his sense of thei r kindness, by parallel case in the history of these kingdoms. lie had before precautions against assassination in Ireland? what is ould be the withdrawing and not. repeating the expression. The sheet on said, and he then wished to state, in the most distinct manner, Inference that would be drawn, if he had departed from the which his motion had been placed was altogether cancelled, on that he did not stand there to impugn the character of the Irish course which he haul adopted? Although the House of Lords the ground that it pledged the House to an expression of opt- people generally. Quite the contrary. He had the pleasure had passed the Bill, and although her Majesty, in her nion, before it had given its vote on the matter. Now, what of stating that in the 32 counties of Ireland—in the majority of opeech from the throne, hav e reminded the H o use that w as the case here. This Bill was pres e n t e d to the Ficuse these he believed that it would be found, by statistical ac tees was a subject for their consideration, they would with a false and calumnious title. — (Hear , hear. ) It was counts, that life and property were as secure as in any not, for the first time, consent to the first reading of stated to be a Bill for the more effectual preservation Portion of Great Britain.—( Hear, h e an ) H e was happy to the Bill, without any discussion, hut with a disregard of life and property in Ireland. It was net so. Property say that, in at least 18 out of those 32 counties, crime had con to the common courtesy to the House, had endeavee tett to would not be better , protected by the bill ;—life would not be siderablv decreased within the last year.—(Cheers.) He thought ppstpone it. The decision of the House on the first reading so we ll protected—because the measure itself would it would not be necessary to detain the House by going into a would not be conclusive. The discussion might not lead to aggravate the cause of discontent in Ireland. Why, then, specific detail of the amount of decrease of crime, or of the any particular result, but what would be the inferences thatshould the et ii be intro a ah e ee H me. eet esuce- -e-ore me —ouse with this title ? names of the particular counties. Suffice it to say, that in 18 out would be drawn from any departute from the uniform and este- —a false title, because it stated itself as for the better preserve. of the 32, there had been a considerable decrease of crime within blished rules ? But the 'Government, were indifferent to this tion of life and property in Ireland. It had been said that the last year, 1845.—(Mr. O'Connell, " County Tyrone"?) subject. With respect to the course Hon. Gentlemen may eur. night that theirs was a factious opposition, because they were In the County Tyrone, there had been a very large decrease of sue on this subject, I can attire them that they are free to deal determined, by every form of the House , to "eat the Bill. erime.—(Hear, besr.) The came in Tyrone, according to the with the case. They ere under no obligation to give their They were justified by their consciences in doing so. They reports of the Constabulary force, had decreased in the last year support to this measure. I know that thel Government is did it with the sanction of the people of Ireland, and their from 108 to 40. He would go still further, and say, that if it situated in a peculiar situation. The Nettle Lord the Member constituencies approved of it. They would persevere in their were not for the preseet state of five of the counties of Ireland, for Lynn said that we are responsible for every murder mist- opposit on to the last moment. It this was a factious oppoe- he could not conscientiously propose this Bill.—(Hear, hear.) netted in Ireland, and for the death of every person that might eon they gloried in it, because they were opposed to the de- He would sate at once the names of those five counties, al die of starvation. After a mature deliberation, we could not struction of the last liberties of the Irish pimple. It was an though he was afraid be should have to trespass upon the indul consent to a definite proposal. We wished that the House opposition carried on with the view of defending their country- I gene* of the House fur a short time—t Hear, hear)—for in might be bound to adhere to the first reading of the Bill. men from a measure of mere wanton avid useless tyranny. l Proposing a measure of so uneonstituteonal a character—( Hear, Every species of delay had been thrown in the way 'there was another charge trumped up against them, out it we hear)—he felt it to be his bounden duty to bring before the House of Government. The course they wished to pursue was, that almost too trivial to be alluded to. I t was that the y (the re- the grounds on which he proposed it —( Hear, hear.) Now Hon. Members might propose measures. We wish to leave it peelers of Ireland) were anxious for the rep eal of the five counties t o whi c h h e h a d allud e d were, Tipperary, to the representatives of the Commons of England to dispose the corn-laws becaus e it was one of the few advan- Clare, Roscommon, Lim, rick, and Meath. In those five o f this m e a su r e. I know the pewee individuals generally pos- tatees which the union had given to Ireland. The charge "unties crime had increased to a con s ide ra bl e ex t ent , seas of causing difficulties, and of the power they had of con- did not require to be refuted. A few words more to the Noble There were also five other counties in which crime bad tinning the debate by resorting to the extreme measure of ad- Lord opposite, the future Minister of England. The Noble been fearfully progressing during the last year, and the names . journing. That does not relieve the Government from the re- Lord had endeavoured to influence the judgment of Members of those counties were Cavan, Fermanagh, King's County, sponsibility of proposing such measures as they might deem in that House by his speech on the motion for reading the Longford, and Westmeath ; so that it appeared that at present necessary. I should be unworthy of being a Member order 'if the day. But he would ask the Noble Lord, if he there were, out of the 32 counties of Ireland, ten in which un. f the Government, were Ito permit the abuse had supported a Coercion—or if he had said o ne word in favour lawful doings and crim es of the mos t f r i g htf u l c h arac t er were of the powers possessed by individuals , t o var y the of a C oercion Bill, at the p eriod of the riots in Wales? Until being regularly carried on. . In the county of Cavan, crime course deliberately come to on the part of the Government. a poor woman had been murdered, no extraordinary powers bad increased within the last year from 44 t o 109, in Roscem. On Friday last we stated the course we intended to take, and were asked for. He had never supported strong measures then. mon from 264 to 716, Limerick from 321 to 460, and Tipperary that we should a-k y o u to take the first reading tea-night. IHe had never adverted to that case then, but he had brought from 908 to 9 92 . But he thought he could present thi s ma t ter deeply regret the c ourse that some Hon. Members purpose to forward the case here. Was this the kind of chivalry which to the House in a light which appeared to him to be most con pursue, of procrastinating the passing of the Bill, b , offering was to di s t ingu i s h th e o pposite party—that the poor man's elusive, and which would show that crime was raging in dis opposition to it in every stage of its progress. This is not bread should be taxed, in order to uphold the power tricts of Ireland to a most alarming extent.—( Hear.) By the acting el a worthy way by the measure.—( Hear, hear.) 1 and wealth of a pampered aristocracy. Every form of the last return which had been made to the Government, it ap. will admit of every f sir delay anus opposition, but in doing this House should be used to stop the Bill ; and he told that Right eared that the whole population of Ireland was 8,175,000, and I wish to uphold the authority of the House, and that respect Hon. Baronet, that the consequences of the delay of the Corn the population of the five counties to which he had more pare which is due to this the popular viol democratic branch of the Bill would be upon him alone. titularly referred, viz. Tipperary, Clare, Roscommon, Limerick, Legi s lature. —( Re a r, heat .) De l imit' upon it, if a small body Mr. COBDEN—From the remarks which fell from the and Leitrim, was 1,412,000. The population of th ose fi ve cm ,- of elembers set themselves up in opp .si ion to the majority of Right Non. Baronet, I was left in some doubt whether the ties therefore, was a little more than one-sixth of the whole of this House, and set at nought the usual rules that regula te its proposed statement , which is to be made by the Right Hon. Ireland. Now the crimes to which he would direct the atten prormedings—depond upon it, in doing so, they are taking A Baronet, the Home Secretary, shall be gone on with to- tion of the House were of a most insurrectionary character ; course which is most unwise, and opposed to the advancement night, or whether it is the intention of the Government to press they comprised crimes of murder, and the destruction of pro of the very objects they seek to serve.—( Hear, hear .) Ido a division on this question ? perty. He had made a selection of those particular crimes. hope that you will submit to a decisioe at once, and that my Sir R. PEEL— We shall proceed with the first reading of The crimes had been arranged as follows—homicides, violence Right Hon. Friend (Sir J. Graham) will be allowed to make t h e Bill. My Right tion. Friend will make his statement, to the p e ns g assault, assaults endangering life, in in„tatement to th e House. The N ble Lord the Member then we shall leave it to the House to judge what course they c o the killing or maiming cattle, demandingand robbery of f or Ly nn h a s g iven a not unfair statement as to the injustice will pursue. When I said that my Right Hon. Friend would arms, appearing armed, administering unlawful g oaths, oaths, sending of the motion to leave the consideration of the present Bill, have an opportunity of making his statement, I did not mean threatening notices, malicious injury to property, and firing and take the other orders of the day that follow. This would to imply that that was sufficient, and that there we should stop. into dwelling-houses. New the number of homicides corn. not be seemly in the present state of ]rebind. But while I Mr. COBDEN—Betore we go to a division, I cannot help mitted in 1845 throughout the whole of Ireland was 92, and wish the Bill to be taken in the course I propose, and while I expressing my sincere regret at the course adopted by her M a - the whole of those committed in the five counties to which he had do not wish any opportunity of staling obji•ctions to its pro- k i t e ' s G ove rnment. I think it will he a great calamity both more particularly directed their attention was 47, being one. visions, I must protest against motions of the present kind; to England and to Ireland; for although the Government bring third of the homicid es co mmitted in the whole of Irel an d. which are only of a technical and frivolous character. ' his measure of coercion forward, as a measure which will Asaults in those five counties 190. and in the whole of Ireland I have no wish to excite angry feelings on this question. on p ac ify Ireland or contribute to the Peace of Ireland. we must 350, being two-fifths of the whole number. Assaults endan sehieh so much strong feeling exists already ; still I must ask bear in mind that those who represent the Irish feelieg in this gering life 110 in those fi ve counties, and in the whole of Ire what is the question before the House ?Itis a tampering with House—those who have the greatest influence in Ireland—have land 127. Incendiarism in those five counties 139, and in the its forms for a particular purpose, and one on which the mea- a distinctly contrary opinion ; whereas, on the subject of corn, rest of Ireland 329, being two-sevenths of the whole number. sure to be considered cannot be debated conducive with the that great question of giving food to the people of England and Killing or maiming cattle in those counties 108, in the rest of rules of the House. The Hon. Gentleman has moved that the Ireland, no difference of opinion exists. If I understand Ireland 164, being two-fifths of the whole. Demanding and ' first reading of the present Bill be waved, and that the other rightly, the Hom and L earne d G en tl eman w h o , I may say, robbing of arms in the five counties referred to—and this was orders of the day be proceeded with. But to that I will anssver, represents Ireland, came over expressly to surtain her Ma- a crime of the most malicious and fearful kind-420, and in the that I cannot take the other business, under present circum - jesty's Ministers in their wish to give increased subsistence to rest of Ireland 131, being four-fifths of the aggregate. Appear stances, and if the amendment is agreed to, and the motion th e p e ople of England. That question, 1 think, should have ing armed in those counties 66, and in the rest of Ireland 25, iej cted, I do not feel at liberty to persevere with the other taken precedence of the coercive measure, inasmuch as those being two-thirds of the whole. Administerine unlawful oaths orders of the day. Under these circumstances, considering w h o un d e r s tand the interest of Ireland know that the best way same districts 193, end in the rest ofleland only 33. th e i m p or t a nce o f the Bel, and that no unfair advantage had to pacify Ireland is by giving the people food. But have the being six-sevenths of the whole. Threatening notices in the been taken in its introduction, Ido hope that my Right lion. Government considered what will be the delay that will be same 1,1 43, and in the rest of Ireland only 901, being eleven- Friend ( Sir James Graham) will be allowed to make his s t a te- cause d b sairome di ng w i t h t h o Bill now? If you go into the twentieths, of the whole number of crimes of a similar number ment. Ido hope this course will be agreed in, a nd that an y discussion to-night, the Honourable Member for Li- committed in Ireland ringdunthe year and . 30 M injury discussion on the subject, will be taken after that statemen t has merick county has told you that the Irieh Members to property 104 in the fintie, and 306 in the rest of been made,—( Hear, hear.) themselves are prepred to sustain their opposition to Ireland. Now he would observe that one crime particularly Lord G. BENTINCK said be had been misunderstood by the first reading for three nights. This might be a Govern- had been greatly on the increase during the last eir , teen the Noble Lord ( isord J . Russell), the Bight lion. Gentleman ment night ; Friday and Monday following are Government menths. The dreadful crime of firing into dwelling-homes at the Secretary at War, and the Right Horn Baronet at the head nights, and these three will be occupied in the discussion. You night, for the purpose of wounding promiscuously any member o f th e G ov ernment. What he did say was, that her Majesty's cannot reckon upon those nights occupied by private members of a family, had been, d u ring th a t p er i o d, i n those five coup. Government and 'hat Reuse were responsible for every mum —you cannot reckon upon these for the debate on the Coercion ties to which he had called their attention, 93, and in the rest der committed in Ireland. owing to any unnecessary jelly in Bill You must have Thursday night in Committee—you of Ireland only 45 —( Hear, hear)—being seven-tenths the passing of the measure that her Majesty's Ministers had must have the following Tuesday night in Committee. of the ' whole number. He had in his possession introduced for the protection of life in Ireland.—( Hear.) Private Members will not give np their notices in order to ac- reports which showed the state of these five counties Sir R. H. INGLIS said that the Noble Lae, the Member commodate the Govrnment on this subject. You therefore, during the months of January and February of the present for the city of London (Lord J. Russell), had stated that, inde- c annot t a ke another step on the Corn Bill before Laster. The year. The number of homicides in that period, it appeared, pendent of the decision of the theme on the present measure, Ri g ht ti ot i se B arone t th e Member for Devonport stated most was 8 ; robberies of arms, 18 ; setting fire to dwelling-houses, there should he no time lest in forwarding the remedial mea- truly teat Hon. Gentlemen opposite would come up again 69; sending threatening (exc notices, 69 lusive ; and ma of lithecious iejury to sures for the state of Ireland. But wha t was the objet of the after Easter, trusting that we shall have forgotten all t heir property, 14. city of that present Bill? It was to repress outrage ; and if so, it could t e dious ar guments, and repeat the same thing over again.— county), 3 murders, 12 incendiaries, 25 robberies of arms, 50 not be passed too soon. He agreed with the Noble Lord (L aug ht e r-) In all human probability that Corn Bill will not threatening notices, and 18 attacks on property. In the (Bentinck), that he did not find fault with the Government in reach the House of Lords before the beginning or the county of Clare there had been 1 murder, 7 incendiaries, 20 introducing the Bill, but that they had not introduced it some m iddl e o f May, and when it shall pass out robberies of arms, and 17 threatening notices. And in the time ago. Her Majesty's Government ought to have intro. of that House heaven only knows.—( Hear, hear.) count of Rot here had been I scommon within they tame periods(e, the la s t two eluted it some months since, instead of allow in g the evils to I think this is a great calamity. Ido not attribute any motives, months), murder.ri3l ro bb er continue without a remedy. such as those which have been hazarded against the Right of arms, 6 threatening notices, and 4'2 administrations of un- Lord WORSLEY wished to explain the vote he was about Hon. Baronet and the conduct of the Government. But there lawful oaths. New, it was his painful duty t o b r i ng un der to give on this question. On the question of the corn-laws he is something which actuates them which I cannot understand. their immediate notice seine more fame re l a ting t o th e &s -had differed with the party on that side of the House with Their reasons have not been explained in this House. We turbed portions of Ireland. It would be impossible for him to whom he usually acted; therefore he wished to explain why it have had no reason to warrant the course they are pursuing. give the House anything like general s t a tements, but it ape was he would now support the proposition in favour of the 1 believe there is no compact between the Government and Peered that these crimes were n ot o f a sectarian or political Government. Since November last great alarm had prevailed certain Hon. Gentlemen, and do not believe those con verse- character. Roman Catholics and Protestants Orangemen and among the agriculturists respecting the ex e ected alteration in lions which are published in to-day's paper, and whic h ou g ht Repeaters, had alike become the victims of the lawless men of the Customs, and the consequence was that trade and agricul- not to have been published, even if they had taken plane. Ido the disturbed counties. A n d he must also state that the crimes time suffered. Any delay in the settlement of the corn ques- ,not believe there is any such compact. The Right Honourable which he had mentioned were by no means new in the pare lion would perpetuate the state of uncertainty and alarm, and, Baronet at the head of the Government has acted up on the titular districts to w hich be had alluded. Unhappily, they had therefore, he would vote for the first reading of the Bill, re- decision which he gave four or five days ago, before any Irish prevailed for several years Past; and it now remained for the He now knows what Legislature itself, for the purpose of eradicating the serving to himself the right of voting against it in any of its Member had spoken upon the subject. to exert will be the feelings of those Members shouldhe species of crime to which he had referred. It was true, that future stages. Corn Bill H Colonel RAWDON considered that the Irish Members press this Coercion Bill before the „ • e much had been done, but all their efforts had, as yet, signany who objected to the present Bill might very well speak, when does not, in my opinion, impeach t h e sincerity failed. Crime, of the species referred to, had they had been blamed w'th the death of the unfortunate men at all of his determination to carry . this measure beets more, during the last eighteen months, then who had been killed in Ire'and. He utterly disclaimed the. I rejoice, and the country will rejoice, that the Right Henour- during many years previouAy. He implored the imputation. The Noble Lord who made it had shown himself a ble B a ronet has this night declared , that nothing shall prevent H ous e to c onsider seriously the disgrace to which those crime. a good tactician, as he would be able now to make two speeches him showing his sincerity in resisting any obstruc ion or mu- subjected the people of these realms. They were crimes on the the measure, having gene somewhat into it in the one h e tilation of the Corn Bill ; and I have a full conviction, a most grace ful to this country, this age, and the Government under had just made. Ile (Colonel ilavrden) would advise the I- ish earnest conviction, that he whi deeply regret the course he is which we lived. They betawee equally disgraceful to our civil Members not to expend their anunueition at present, but, at now taking, because I think the present state of the country— polity. Ours was said to the proper time, to use it a aainst the measure. His feelingshad the manufacturing districts, from which we hea r every day— try, and yet crimes were daily committed in the sister country been roused by a speech which had been made i n ane ther H o u s e the agricultural districts , the inhabitants of whi c h, as the Noble which were a disgrace to any country on the face of the earth, of Parliament by the Duke of Wellington, on this Bid, which Lord the Member for Lincolthire has slated, are anxious to In order to illustrate what he had before stated, he would read he (Colonel flawden), as an Irishman, repudiated. have a settlement , and do not care f or the amount bf the to the House a number of cases, which be had prepared and The SPEAKER called the Hon. Member to o r der, for re- settlement so much as for a speedy settlensent of the Corn classified according to the principles he had just stated. The question. Under these circumstances I deeply regret having first class to which he would refer were cases of murder, or in ferring to a speech of a member of the other House. Colonel RAWDON said that the Noble Lord who had just to go into a lobby to vote against the Government on such a juries indicted upon person in consequence of themselves spoken (Lord G Bentinck ) had referred to the speeches of question as this. or their relatious having taken, or refusing to give up, the Marquis of Clanricarde and the Eari o f Lansdowne, and Strangers were then o r dered to withdraw, and the House land. He would refer first to Tipperary. On the 24th of therefore he (Gibinel leasvion) thought he had a right to refer divided— May the friends of the deceased wife of a party who occupied a to the speech of the Duke of Wellington.—(Cries of .. No.") For the amendment The SPEAKER—The Hon. and Gallant Member is oute r For the first reading 147 the property. Notice had been served by the ruffians to give order in alluding to any speech made in a debate in the othe Majority for Ministers —39 up possession of the property. Notice not being attended to. Sir J. GRAH A%I then rose and said that, in the absence of the unfortunate man was waylaid while returning from Done- House of Parliament. Colonel RAW DON—Then he woul d allude to no debate any member of her Majhsty's Goverhment more immediately gal to his own home, and brutally murdered. Another person, T 1 d It was Ins ainful dut whatever, but only say that the Duke of Wellington had ex- con nected with ere-an , on that occa- qu ite un connected with either party, was also knocked down pressed himself in terms wheal- he (Col. Rawdon) altogether sion, to re pose to the House the first reading of the Bill hie head was fractured, and he died from the effects of the -rejected. He could not agree that the union between Ireland which come down from the other House of Parliament. The injury received. In another case in the same neighbourhood, a nd thi s cou ntry was a Legitimate compact or that the o bli ge . Hon. Member for Stockport had said that there was some ra ys.. feur men , with their faces !slackened and otherwise disguised, tions were such as had b• en retiree - Med. It was a u n i o n to terious motive in pressing this Bill. lie hoped the House en t ere d the house of a person occupying land, and presented which the people .1 Ireland had not been a party, and of which would indulge him with a pati en t hearing, while he endea- pistols to the heads of the peaceable inmates, and asked them !oared to state to t h em cogent reasons , w hi c h, in his judge why they did not obey the summons which bad been sent, and. he did not approve. Mr. J. O'CONNELL rose to address the House, amidst I moot at least, appeared conclusive that no time was to be 10 , t after committing groacts of barbarity they went empties is loud cries of " Divides divide." 11 . said that no answer had in passing such a measure as this. There were, however, some would also allode to w n other cue, which also took ia w hich t he did -tnner;_ t ' into tne ,%hic h factory, ; a / agt with hi' an th at i y COO' )f ee nr. e desire that all rectal , rented , Nob 11 favour xas not ,uld be to s hoo' sent uP tote tgd Po h eet at , ir, '" OFF ing m!, the n to '•irg 'ar the Ite S W is seat 1V~~~` • ve° to 1 Itiiii nding et il° d to ht ari, -I tt the 3 °°Cl sioll)' II b e d 131 lord R C H r -