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kiture conauft of the Driti,h Government in India; hint this construaion was • by no means a war. tantalite one : it could never be intended to assert, that no circumstances whatever would render it the policy of this Country, to extend its territory in The fair ,construCtikin of the Clause was, that it shoold be the ()bled of this country, by every justifiable meansi to preserve peace in Jtudia. How was. this most likely to be pre. servoti ? Was it by telling the, Native Powers we art chained, we are forbid to repel your ag_ gressions; you may attack us with impunity ? Certainly ,not. Such a mode of conduit eotild be prAlative only of ruin and extirpation. If the Honourable Gentlernao asserts,.. that the Le. gislature . orelered that -.the British Government in India should - torn no alliances r .affensive or defen. sive, with the Native Powers, he asserts that which is untrue, and which, if true, would be ab s urd,— The lad is,, ti.at- the ACt of the Legislature ex. pressly recogniies tne power of the British Go. vernment at home (under the sanction of Partia. ment), to declare war against, or form connexions with, such Native Powers as seemed expedient to them. The Noble Lord took a comprehensive view of our establishmeni in India from their , or i. gin, and .sheaved how continually we bad to con. tenth wi t h the, influence of France, 'whose objeEt it had ever been to supplant us in that quarter.. With reg to the extension of our )erritory, of which the Honourable Gentleman complained so loudly, irhad principally t.ken place in the two Mysore Wars, the justice of which he believed even he would not dispute. Setting these Wars aside, the next visible changes were in the ,Carnatic and Odle ; but on these subjetts . the House vias not at resent .competent. to jtidge,, from the deficiency of the necessary Papers. There remained our ,con. flexion with the Nizam, which the 'Noble Lord StrOngoty justified, and expressed his lurprise that the converting of-. an , enemy into it friend should be scleCted by , the Honeurable Gentleman as de. bet viog reproach. But. the main 'objettion of the Honourable Gentleman -turned- on our cunnexbo with the Mahrattas. This was a most impottant question, and most diflicolt to be resolved. No view of it,caul.l be said to be bit - obvious as not to admit of some doubts. The Noble Lord defended, at considerable length, the general. policy of a cennexion with the Mahrattas, and the pz.rticular species of connexion which had berti adopted by our Government. The Malt. taita Empire was composed Of several powerful, and many minor States. Antecedent to the Treaty he had no difficulty - in stating it as his ppinioo, that cur policy was to keep dear of any bin!) connexion ; but the moment that the Treaty was signed, .the situation of. the Mahrattas began ratitl!y: to change. Instead of the irregular mode of warfare to w hic k they had hith erto been accus. tinned, they habituated thcrnseves to an 'organized system at military tactics, obtained the assistance tit French Officers,. who headed their Troops, and threatened destruction to our Asiatic Power, had not the wisdom of the British Government in India sug. gested the expediency of forming connexions among them, by which the different Powers should become distinited and incapable of Offing against us as a whole. The Hon. Gentleman had much undervalued the ipfluenee of Fraoce in the Maheatta Empire.— Perron, although merely an adventurer, had obtained an ascendancy over Scindeah ; who, how. ever jealous cif his power, was unable to extricate hint. elf from it. • The Revenue of the Country in which he exercised :this domination, amounted•to 1,700,0001. and he had between 30 and +o,ooo Troops under his cimmand. If France, therefore, had sent an Army to the GoZZetal, it would have had considerable assistance from the co-operation of so powerful an Ally. The Noble Lord entered into complete justification of Lord WELLESLEY'S con. dOtt, on whose brilliant talentit and charafter he passed the highest eulogium. He adverted to the hostilities with Hqlkar, and asserted, from the: rapers already before the House, that he had long an inclination to hostility. Why the-Coun. try was not in possession of. the whole of the Papers im this important subje he could not say ; but when that cause - was known, he was con. vinced, -it would be found that the Governor ,Ge. netal had not acted inconsistently with his' public duty. He concluded With moving the previous question. Lord TEMPLE, if he conceived that the Mo. Linn of his Honourable Friend wore diretted against the Noble Charafter at the headol oar Government , in India, would be the first :to- hold up his hand against r and as it was, he 'could , by 'no means agree with his Hon. Friend, that any:re-statement a s he opinion of ; Parliament tan the mode of con. sluel'ra' be pursued in the East was necessary at chi resin& The Noble Lord corrohoratad the state. silents of Lord, C AITL eRE A GH, particularly with 'rept& to Lord Wellesley, to whom' he paid the' highest compliments, and expressed his intention 'of vorivtgfor the Previous Question. L WR ANC 23 aimbludell highly the senti. m e at s of the lion. Mettt)ertviio- had brought for. ward the Motion, and vindicated him tram the potation of having negleCted to bring it forward before, by maintaining,; that this was Ike first op. port unity when he could regularly, on authentic docutnentii submit such an one to the House. Tile Learned Member stmt Mita, that the Parliamentary principle-bad been departed (torn in the conquests rnade in India, the policy of which he 'repiobated; ala in support of his opinion, quoted the opinion of. Mr Hastings in 1793, that it the Company were th add Bengal , : then to their other possssions, th 4 would ,siok - tinder the weight of their acqoisitioni. The War, with the Malitattas had beempr.,duced by Cie Treaty of Bassein. lie should vote for r i 64 . oaitiP,ilM,rtiot, because it was meant . with a view' of thi re.t!Stablishment of the principle sanctioned b y P : r;iament and the Legislature, and nut with a VIC t;to _,fl,!Cririainati,,in of any individual. Ch 7,41?! ., ES G1..1N1 ~painki ay it waq ru hi, 1., hider from the l'quble Lord on the Ii tar, could not, bolo a sense of duty, avoid declaring, that tee l'Ar froin-having been :.tlnCti-ncd try the Court of Dscct.,ls, the Treaty of Bassein hail never ben dtsclissed l them. tray 'unable to view the LONDON : Plimed h 4iic SUN OF circumstances which had led to the tate eonqueati India hut as so many dired intradions of-the principle laid down by Parliament, and untie. cessary in point of policy. The foriner war with the Mahrattas had created a debt for the Company, which hai been, perhaps, the foundation of all their other debts. The unlimited diffusion of out dominion in India would he but to lose `ourselves. As to the French Farce in India, he thought. the danger from them exaggerated. He-thought it de. sirable to re-assert the principle laid down by the Legislature, in order to ,assure others as well aa,our. selves that it should nor'agein be departed frnm. This was certainly nos time fur us to extend.our, selves in The looseness of the Native-Go. vernments, and the little subordination existing among theta, facilitated' the purposes of adventurers procuring followers. Mr. HUDDLESTONE, though he did not mean to enter into a detailed discussion of the question, hoped from .his long everienee in Lotto affairs to meet the indulgence of the House, in offering his sentiments upon it., The Noble Marquis dis. patch of the. zsst of December stated, that the Treaty of Bassein had received the approbation of His Majesty's Ministers and of the Court of Direc. tors through the Secret Committee. The fad was, that that Treaty had never been before the Court of Direltors. The Court of Diredors had no morel° do with the annexation or separation of Provinces in In. dia titan any Member of the House, though in the eye . of the Public supposed to have the so.rense power. . It had been stated on a former occasion, that the brilliant successes of the Noble*: Marquis would have been greater if not for cbstrudions in a cer. lain quarter. This was hard upon the. Dire tors, as it was well known than no orders were Sent out but through the Council, the President of wide!, was a Member of His . Majesty's Ca binet. confessed he could not comprehend the plans of the Noble Marquis. They appeared to him to be accompanied with present, - difficulties, to teem with mischief, to set existence on the cast, to 'be. unwise ,in policy, to be founded on :sehenieS and projeda wherein failure : would be de. strudive, and even success ruinous ;- whereby thing-w4a to be pint:Jinn the expence of blood and treasnrei and perhaps , a permanent hatred inspired into the inhabitaetsi These were his sentiments, and were not lets so last year, . when the accounts hastbeen received of the brilliant successes, than at present on receipt of the account of a disaster, which, had opened the eyes of many, and would, he feared, open the eyes of many snore. The Honourable Member bore testimony to the exem. plary conduit, abov e all praise, of the Noble,Gover. nor General, on his first arrival in. India ; but argued, that from the moment of the conquest of the Mysore, he had conceived the projelt of re, clueing all the Native Chiefs to a subjedion to the British Government, by obliging theta first to re. ceivc Garrisons into their. Capitals, then to pay Sub. and afterwards to change these Subsidies into territorial cessions. As to the Mahratta War, he looked upon the Mahrattas as formidable , When united, bot always engaged in quarrels among themselves. By the conquest of the. Mysore we became their neighbours, and should either have conciliated them by accommodating their gnat. ,reds, or suffered, them to weakest, their aggregate power by destroying each other. The middie course that had. been followed, the Hoo. Member repro. bated :as likely to excite the hatred of all parties. As to the justice of the War, lie thought that no meal' could argue from the' Papers, that it had arisen from the violence of the Mahrattes, and not from an effort to maintain their independence. llis candid opinion was, , that the total abrogation of alt. piesent system. should rake place in all its branchea if we wished to preserve Affairs there should he managed with wisdom, jus,: tice, moderation,. and rational economy. Govern. ' !tient had given a proof of its disposition 'on that.' head by the appointment of a Noblemen to govern India, Marquis CORNWALLIS, who had the rare quality of uniting 'with absolute power, wisdom and moderation, and whose acceptance of the appoint. ment Would ,be.a pledge to the Indian World that their rights would be respeded. But he thought that to assist that Noble Lord's - efforts, some such Declaration as that proposed in the , Motion 'should be adopted: he should therefore vote for the otigi. nal Motion. , Sir THEOPHILUS METCALF differed alto. gether from the two lion. Gentlemen, who had spoken last. The Treaty of Bassein had been founded on ,consummate policy, and did,great ha. flour to the Noble Marquis, whose principal objc was to prevent the Mahrattas from being' united :under one head. • The Hen. Baronet proceeded. to review the circumstances which led to that Treaty, mOrtaining, :by a reference to the Papers, 'that Marquis Wellesley had been forced into the. War, . j and would have preserved, the Peace if it had been, possible. Aire CHAP/174Ncontended, that it.. was impos. sible-to have carried the Treaty taf Bassein i nto:e f. fed, without the occurrence of a War. He took the same lioeof observation with Messrs. GRAN'S' and HoornEsToul, and declared his intention tai vote for the original Motion. Lord CA.ITLEtta no explained. Mr. PIO ASEP thought the House :indebted to the persevestance of the Hon. Member in calling tpeir attention to so important a sullied, and ex. Messed his approbation of the magnanimous conduit ' of those Official Gentlemen, who, disregarding the • resit:aims of tiflice,so candidly arol honourably avow. ed theiuseutiments. He trusted, as the attention Of the House seemed now duetted to the aubjed,, they would notjgive it up till they hadfully iniseatigated the Manner in whico the affairs of our Indiatt Depet. dencies had been administered, 'He could not agree, however, with the Hon.:tvlover, that any abrupt change of systeM ought to be adopted, for that would have the effat of clogging the measures of the Nolte Marquis now, going Out. 111 r. 1? 77161ZNTON way of opinkm, that the syscat rOW aard upon respetiing India ought to he . changed, and that we should ad on principies and iodic irit,uN moderation and forbearance, and not in the !,piiit of conquest and aggrandizement. lie icii.lßD 11 AaR. s (ot No. Man im-court, 110w,, , Trrert; ;01, ICE, Nu. i s2 O Strand ; whcrc ildziertavntats, Order ttustert, that it was with that vitto4ithi with' these ri intentions, that Marquic CornwallislWould set out fur that Country. There was nothing to be done by the sword ; or if we attempted such means, we should ai justly be deemed as'muctt a Tyrant there, as the Ruler of another Country was considered one in Europe. The e.'IIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose and obierved, that after what had been said by some of the Han. Members who had spoken lately, he begged to call the attention of the House to the statement made by his Hun. Friend, on which he grounded his Motion for the- previous question.— The declaration moved for by, the Honourable Gentleman, in one point of -view, might be very unobjectionable. So far as it went ttYshew the opi nion of Parliament expressed in 1782, that an ex. tension of territory and dominion, by means of un just aggression, was not the intention or wish of the Legislature, no one could find fault withit ; but from what had-been said of this doClrine in one part of the Hem. Gentleman's speech, " that we should not be allowed, in case of our being engaged in a just and necessary defensive war, to make any extension of territory or dominion, either as indemnity, for the past, or security for the finure," he thought it was an argument fraught with the greatest absurdity. He thought.also,.that it was unfair in another point of view, inasinu-elt as, it conveyed a direct censure -iin the condun rf thi Marquis Wellesley, Who had achieved a serieS\of the must brilliant victories in India, and had added more to the security of that Country than 'could almost have been supposed to be possible in sa sh,ort a space of time.. The Right Honourable Gentleman then went into a very long and elornent tulogium on the Noble Marquis, •for the active promptitude and superior talents with which 'le had entered into and car.. tied on the second and late Mysorean War, by the conclusion of which he game a deadly blow to the power of, the' French in . that part of India,- and gained a territory and length of seacoast that must prove a most valuable acquisition, and a very great security to the Territories of the Company. SliU, however, though he had done so much, -he found that a great . deal still remained to be etfecArd, anal that the Mithrattas, instigated byAhe French, wire combining with each other in order to attack us with the greatest possible effect. He had, how. ever, with a ?Iromptirude AO - Wisdom which refteded on him the highest honour, entered into a Treaty with the Nihsoi and the reishwa, and had fru,. traced all the crafty machiriarions of those Vic). lent and' turbulerit spirits Scindeah and Holkar ; had broken and destroyed the remaining powe-r of the French in India, arid had laid the foundation of the future security and safety of that Cotiatty. 7 - It was also unfair; he thought, to endeavour to cast this kind of censure on the Noble Marquis at the present moment, because he was supposed to be on his return home, anti it-was but fair that' he should he 'present when any charge of censure was brought forward against him. T he'Rightthin, Gentleman expressed himself highly pleased with the' general strain of eulogium in which so many Hon: Members had mentioned' the charatler of the 'Nibble Marquis whe was soon to go out to India, for whom no one had a higherrespett, nor a more exalted opinion of his numerous virtues, that he himself entertained.— He adthited, a much- as any one could, -the mild. nest and moderation of the N.)ble Mirquis, after having so glotionsly terminated the first Mysorean War. But Gentlemen should recollect, that that •mildness and moderation, owing to the violent and obstinate dispositiOn Of the Ruler of that courtly, had in some degree been the occasion of the neces. city of entering into the, second, atiack on Mysore, which had been so' ahiy and wisely conducted by the Noble Marquis NVELLOLEY. :The Right Bon. Gentleman concluded his soeech, by saying,"that' un. der all thecircumstances of the present Motion, as he did not any more than his N)ble Friends; wish or desire to put a direa negative upon it, he most support the motion for the previous question, Mr. FOX said, thin at so lace an hour-he would not trespass at any, length on the time Of. the House, but lie thought it impossible for any one who Wished well, to' his Country to give a silent vote on a question of this nature, especially • after what bad been said by the Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat dawn. He was perfedly astonished at the langu'age,of the Right Hon; Gentleman. Serely,,he cannot 'forget the Resolution of 1782- - What was rite meaning of it ? Why, that we should not ex. tend our territory or dominion in India, Nothing mid be more plain or simple ; there was no: men tion of, unjust aggressions, or any such ridiculous ideas as' a just and defensive war which should en. title you to obtain an extension of territory,. either by way 'of indemnity or. security. But, it seems, all this was to be excused ur vindicated, because yon were afraid of the power of the' French in. I n di a . Flact not the French the same power 'in the year 1782 as they had -in 170 ? And yet, when the re. Aulution was'passedin i 7 z dread appeared re speding the French, though that powerwas ter: taint) , as much to be dreaded in the hands of the House- of ffourbon as - it has been in any of those who. have succeeded tbem. .But, said the Right Hon. Centldroan, wily urge the resolusion now ? For the best reason in the world—because policy requires it. Tlic system which was then .so wisely and so UnatlifilOtlsiy adopted had been broken rn Upon and alMost &one away, and the consequence Was, the Company's - affairs were every clay grow. eillg w essis f e ffi:i wars byt brought lienormouse tin,an d e : xPe whichncewhich always i sue. ep; at least an equal pace' with the extension of territory. It had been said in' the course at the debate, that this reso,lution would be lettering and binding the hands of the Noble Marquis 'who is soon to go out to lodia.' -He 'thought otharwile ; nay, he was convinced _that it_ would hav e t h e e if e d of for. tifying and strengthening. his efforts. 'Wh.y dries h e go qui ? At his time of life it Cannot be tor the sake of emolument of any kind,' nor from any aspi. ring motive of 'amhitioo. The Noble MarqUistas Ding stoce acquired lame pitfficient . to gratify the most ambitions mind. It caunot be for the purpose of active and v 4r - trolls warfare. No : the •Noble M aquis - knows vary well, that lie is to go to InMa `to re.cstabdsh 4 system of moderation and justice ; Bank St , )A, shut Navy 5 per C 8g yS3j Sy 5 per Ct. *797. shut Irish 5.p..r Cent. 4 per Cent. shut 3 per Cent. 144. shut - 3'...00r Ct. Con 57 #S7 Bank 1., Ann. shut Ditto Short Anil. shut hV .0.4 ix kul c stlics (ot `South Mo7ton-stiter t Gtosvalor•:;T-' fur the Paper, truer; fut the 4:dttor,,&c, 'mu-paid) tmi s i Atith:istu. -,; . arts krtivving-thAt leis eff ,rts to th.tr . must derive considerable assist:ice> and adtTvage by carrying OtTt 3 convireing pro 4 to the Nitio Powers, that' it is the %vish and determination of Parliament to as up to that "itstettywhich he is es ' tlecially appointed to , restore. Every circutortece spoke strongly in favour of the Mot tun of lyiyFh" Friena. Three Gentlemen itt the Di; ett of die India Company had six ken oiLthe ,su,el with great clearness and a bility lunn the.ir .1' 1 " knowledge of :the CountLv, and they all tell t:hat if you had every inch of Luba itt } ; ( 81 r , session, it is of such itrunin,e magni:ll.l: that it would drain you.nf the blood and to: laces of ill country, and ultimately ruin it altogether, bY exhaustion which 'kis not able to hear. became the mistress of the worl d, he Said, by de , fending herself. When, other. powers quarrellel she engaged in self.delence. No man is ,ibsolutcli safe from- harm while there is another Mill l'iCa that maY knock him dawn—so with Nitions--01 are always afraid of the French, and so WC 01311 continue to be .as long as 'they have a ma n or, Ship ; and there are Dative with whom are at variance 'in India. He ,thought no Imin t : fit to carry the resolution into effett th e'N9 l Marquis who was go ing nut ; an d as s uch the 50: lion of his Hon. 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