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THE EXPRESS EDITION• SUN-OFFICE, EranT o'CLoca `THE LONDON GAZETTE. (THIS EVENING.) LORD CHAMBERLAIN'S OFFICE, APRU. 7, 1852. Notice is hereby given, that her Majesty will hold a Drawing-room, at St. James's Palace, on Thursday, 13th May next, at two o'clock (t o celebrate her Majesty's birth-day). N.B. The Knights of the several orders are to appear in their collars. LORD CHAMBERLAIN'S OFFICE, APRIL 30. Orders for the Court's going into mourning on Sunday next, the 2d of May, for hia late Royal Highness the Grand Duke of Baden, viz.: —The Lad ies to wear black silk, fringed or plained linen, white gloves, necklaces, and ear rings, black or white shoes, fans, stud tippets. The Gentle men to wear black full-trimmed, fringed or plain linen, black swords and buckles. The Court to change the mourning on Wednesday next the sth of May,. viz :--The Ladies to wear black silk or velvet,. coloured ribbons, fans, and tippets, or plain white, or white and gold, or white and silver stuffs, with black rib- Dons. The gentlemen to wear black coats, and black or plain white, or white and gold, or white and silver stuff waist coats, full trimmed, coloured swords and buckles. Sunday, the 9th of May next,. the Court to go oat of mourning. DOWNING-STREET, APRIL 29. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Samuel Wall Jones, Esq., to be Colonial Surgeon for her Majesty's Settle ments on the Gold Coast. ST. JAMES'S-PALACE, Amax. 26. The Queen has been pleased, on the nomination of the Earl of Sandwich, to appoint Francis John Helyar, Esq., one of her Majesty's Honourable Corps of Gentlemen -at-Arms, vice Joseph Skip Lloyd, retired. GROWN.OFFICE, AP llll ' 30 ' THIS PRESENT PALIA. MEMBERS RETURNED TO SERVS IN. MENT.. City of Worcester—William Laslett, Esq , in the room of Francis Rufford, Esq., who has accepte d the office of Steward of her Majesty's Chiltern Hundreds. Borough of Tavis• tock—Sananel Carter, Esq., in the room of John Sainsbury Trelawnye, Esq., who has accepted the office of Steward of her Majesty's Manor of Hempholme. WAR-OFFICE, APau.3o. • 2nd Regiment of Dragoon Guards—Lieutenant John Cle ments to be Adjutant, vice Haviland, promoted to an Un attached Company, without purchase, April 30. 4th Dragoon Guards—Lieutenant John Mac Donnell Webb to be Captain, by purchase, vice Lane, who retires; Cornet G eo rge Manners Morgan to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Webb, April 30. 10th Light Dragoons—Second Lieutenant Valentine Baker, from the Ceylon Rifle Regiment, to be Cornet, by purchase, vice Beckett, who retires, April SO. Ist Regiment of Foot—Ensign Frederick Augustus Smith to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Aytoun, who retires, April 1. 4th Foot—Ensign William Winniett, from the 75th Foot, to be Ensign, vice Crozier, appointed to the 75th Foot, April 30. 55th Foot—Lieutenant Reginald rouge Shipley to be Captain, by purchase. vice Pitman, who retires; Ensign Frederick Cockayne Elton to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Shipley, April 30. 59th Foot—Major-General George Augustus Henderson, S.C., to be Colonel, vice Lieutenant-General Sir John Harvey, K.C.8., deceased, April 27. 65th Foot—Lieutenant Thomas Barnard to be Captain, by purchase, vice Mc Coy, who retires; Ensign Charles Astley Miguel Servantes to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Barbard, April 50. 72d Foot—Quartermaster Serjeant John Mac Donald to be Quartermaster, vice Boden, who resigns , April 30 . 75th Foot — Ensign William Crozier, from the 4th Foot, to be Ensign, vice Winmett, appointed to the 4th Foot. 86th Foot—Brevet Lieutenant-Colonel James Creagh to be Lieutenant-Colonel, without purchase, vice Derinzy, ap pointed Inspecting Field Oficer of a recruiting district; Brevet Lieutenan-Colonel R ,bert Henry Lowth to be Major, without purchase, vice Creagh ; Lieutenant Joshua Henry Kirby to be Captain, without purchase, vice Lowth , Ensign Henry Edward Jerome to be Lieutenant, without purchase, vice Kirby, April 30. Rifle Brigade—First Lieutenant Edward Newdigate to be Captoin, [by. purchase, vice Warren, who retires ; Second Lieutenant Francis Walter Balfour to be First Lieutenant, bA purchaie, vice Newdigate, April 30. STAFF.—ltrevet-Colonel Bartholomew Vigors Derinzy, from the 86th Foot, to be Inspecting Field Officer of a Re cruiting District, vice Davis, deceased,April 30. UNATTACIIED. —Lieutenant Francis Haviland, from the 2d Dragoon Guards, to be Captain, without purchase, April 30, WA ..OFFICE., ArraL 24,1852. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Lieutenant- Colonel George Rice, Lord Dynevor, of the Royal Carmar then Regiment of Militia, to be one of her Majesty's Aides de -Camp for the service f her Militia Force, with the rank of Colonel in that Force, vice Lord Dinorben, , deceased. April 24. Her Majesty has, at the same time, been pleased to direct that the said Lord Dynevor should take rank as one of the Senior Colonels of Militia immediately after the Junior Colonel of her Majesty's Forces. Commission the Lord-Lieutenant ,of Merionethshihire. John Jones, Esq., to be Depnty-Lieutenant, April 23._ Commission by the Lord-Lieutenant of Montgomeryshire. Montgomeryshire Yeomanry Cavalry— Georgs Henry Robert Charles, Viscount Seatiam, to be Captain, vice Tam- Lerlame, resigned ; Edward Peel, Gent., to be Lieutenant, vice Meares, deceased. April 27.._ SUPERSEDED. William SUPERSEDED. William Harris, draper. Kingstcn-upon-Hull. BANKRUPTS. William Wymark, whartinger, Mistley, Essex, May 14, and June 11, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Stans feld, official assignee; Hubbard, Bucklerebury. James Gullick, common brewer, Yalding, Kent, May 14, at half-past onc, and J une 18. at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Cannan, official assignee, Aldermanbury ; Nicholls and Doyle, Gray's Inn ; Morgan, Maidstone. • John Warren, dentist, George-street, Hanover-square, May 8, at half-past eleven, and June 11, at half-past one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Boainghall- street ; Tate, Basingball-street. William Thomas Gibson, baker, High-street, Islington, May 13, at twelve, and June 8, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Edwards, official assignee, Sambrook-court, Basinghall-atreet ; Valance and Valence, Exeter-street, Strand. William Collins, draper, Marlborough. May 10. at twelve, and Jane 10, at eleven, at the Court of Ban7ruptcy. John son, official assignee, Basingliali-street; Sole and Turners, Aldermtnhury, Joseph Newbold, innkeeper, Barton-under-\eedwoed, Staf fordshire, May 10 and June 7, at half past ten, at the Bir mingham District Court. Valpy, official assignee,Birming ham ; Bass, Burton-upon-Trent; Wright, Birmingham. Alexander M'Kerrow, draper, King3ton-upon - Hull , May 26 and June 16, at twelve, at the Leeds District Court. Carrick, official assignee, Hull; Neild, Manchester; Shackles and Son, Hall. PRICE OF SUGAR. The average price of Brown or Muscovado Sugar, com puted from retw,rns made in the week ending April 27; 1852, exclusive of Customs Duties paid or payable thereon on the importation thereof into Great Britain :-- From the British posiessions in America 21s. 6d- per cwt From the Mauritius ... 245. 4id. n From the East Indio; .•• 203 . 114 4 1 VI Average price of the three foregoing de scriptions of sugar, jointly, computed as above, and exclusive of duty 213. 10d. „ By authority of Parliament, ENNILT RICKN ErA. Clerk of the Grocera' Company Grocers'-hall, April 30. BANK OF ENGLAND. iglit's Gazette.) 7th and Bth of` Victoria, cap. 32 for y, the 21th day of April, 1852, r.I3TIILENT. An Aneount (From this ni ,ptirsnant to the Act the Week ending on Saturdal 18313 Y DET Notes Issued .. 33,099,153 Government debt • • 11,015,100 Other securities •• • • 2,984,960 Gold coin and bullion 19,065,773 Silver bullion •• • • •• 33,375 # 33 ,G99,150 4E33,093,150 21AUSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the 29th day of 185 BANICIITGI D 1 :rAisTwrs T • Proprietorecapital.• 14,353,030 Rest • -••••• • • • • • 3,01,110 polio deposits (in cluding Exotequer, Commissioners of National Debt,Sav ings-banks,andDi- cidend &mums) •• 2 ,3»3,3,; ottsr , 100 ,i t s 14,472,59 U p i e' day aad other 207,142 Ellis • • • • " 1, Government securi ties (including Dead Weight Annuity) • . 13 335,779 Other securities •. 10,999 619 otes .. —• • • ••• • • • 11.500.305 Gold and sliver coin 488,520 £36,324,223 .C 76,324,223 MARSIIALL, Chief Ca s bi a. i 2. Dated the 25111 day of April, 185' IMPERIAL PARLIAIMEN► j I . (THIS EvENING.) ROUSE OF LORDs,. Their Lordships asierobled at Five o'clock. Lord REDESDALE presided on the Woolsack in the absence of the Lord Chancellor. Lord MALMESB E TT N REyR:II.4 110SAS. G in answer to a question p ut to hisa by a Noble Lord, stated that instructions b a d been sent to the authorities at Portsmouth to igty, every: ?_._deility to General Rosas in clearing his lugga;e, B,:c. It was simply a mark of courtesy due to any dis tinguished foreigner. The Earl of ABERDEEN was of opinion that show ing any courtesy to General Routs would be considered as some degree of partizanship, w hi c h would have a mis chiovous effect. Lord BEAUMONT applauded the motives which had act sated the British Government in this affair. The „Noble Lord did not couaider it proper, because in foreign countries we might be liable to misorprohousion, that rre vv,re entitled to show want of courtesy to a foreigner who had occupied the position of Genera' Rosas. PETITIONS. Lord ABERDEEN presented a petition from n place in Scotland in favour of the abolition of testa in the Scotch Universities. CROWN CFIURCHWARDENSIIIP OF MARY, LE BONE. et Lord PORTMAIsi that he eid not desire . to m prod .d with the otion, becatts;linhiester, which had received a sails_ f communication from the Prime _ cora officeof the fied him that his removal • lchope, without eanrrien t im c it h t u lo r ti a" o l f ar h de is n in o t t e . nti S e4l . removal, ilry- was neither rounded on politlell nor personal ground, but solely on a miseouception as to the right course t of prueeading arising f rom the inexperiume of the Firs Coutali3sioact of Wo r k s, nod from the i naccurate infor mation given to him e. , 4 to custom in this case. The Earl of DEP.ItY stated, in explanation, that the Ri g ht Hon. Gintlemsn the Secretary for Home Affairs had received a communication from the rector of the parish, stating th t --a " 4 new brown churchwarden must shortly be elected, and that old ono was desirous of retiring. COPYRIGHT AMENDMENT BILL. Lord BEAUMONT stated that the object of the con vention had been to reduce the duties upon books. TO this extent he quite agreed. For the translation •of works, also; the author had the power of authorishig any particular translation of his work. This also tine Noble Lord considered reasonable. But it went further; an author might for five years prevent any other person from translating his works, and this thel Noble Lord considered to be a very dan gerous right. The Noble Lord also stated other reasons which induced him to think that his Bill would extend the power of copyright too far. The Marquis of NORMANBY stated that the object of the Bill was to prevent pirated editions of English works being circulated abroad. In a conversation which the Noble Lord had held with Monsieur Galigaani that gentleman had told him that in his opinion the measure was a most excellent one, and deserved the greatest support. The Noble Marquis was convinced that the better part of English literature would receive a degree of protection that it had never received before. Under these circumstances he should support the Bill. Lord CR ANWORTLI considered that it was neces sary to consider both the advantages and disadvantages, and consider which preponderated. Ile himself would not offer any opposition to the Bill, After some further conversation the Bill passed through Committee. The Prevention of Sheep Disorders Bill and the Exchequer Bills Bill were then read 'a third time. Their Lordships. adjourned a few minutes before Six o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair a few minutes before Four o'clock. NEW MEMBER. Mr. LASLETT, the new Member for Worcester, took the oaths and his seat. The Hon. Gentleman was introduced by Sir Joshua WalmslPy and Mr. Cobden. PRIVATE BILLS. The East London Waterworks Bill and Scarborough Market and Approaches Bill were considered and agreed to. The British Empire Mutual Life Assurance Com pany Bill was read a third time and passed. PETITIONS. Several petitions were presented against the grant to Maynooth. Sir J. FILMER presented several petitions from various places in Kent praying for the repeal of the hop duties. A number of petitions were presented praying for the repeal of the attorneys' certificate duty. Mr. T. BARING presented a petition praying the House to take steps to prevent the adulteration of coffee. Mr. W. WILLIAMS presented several petitions from various parts of Wales against the Militia Bill. Mr. MANGLES presented a similar petition from Bodmin, and Mr. H, BERKELEY from Bristol. Mr. SCULLY presented a petition from the county of Tipperary in favour of tenant-right. Lord HARRY VANE presented a petition from the College of St. Cuthbert, in the county of Durham, pray ing to be exempted from the operation of the Charitable Treats Bill. Mr. LOCKHART presented a petition from the hand loom weavers of Scotland, in favour of home colonization. Mr. TUFNELL presented a petition from Devonport praying for an alteration of the present mode of asses sing houses for the income-tax. MILITIA BILL. Mr. W. J. FOX gave notice that in Committee ho should move the insertion of a clause in the Militia Bill, to the eff,ct that no man should be liable to compulsory service in the militia whose name was not on the regis tration list as an elector for some city, county, or borough. THE SUN, THE CAPE. Mr. HUME wished to ask the Secretary for the Co lonies whether petitions had been received from the Cape to her Majesty for the removal of the Government Se cretary, Mr. Montagu, ;on the ground of his continued obstruction of the passage of the Constitution Ordi nances; and if so, whether copies of such petitions would be presented to the House? Sir J. PAKINGTON said by the last mail several pe titions were received, some in favour of the new consti tution, and others against it. One of the former was signed by 400 or 500 persons, praying for the removal of Mr. Montagu, but he did not think it would bo wise to produce it at present. Mr. HUME wished to know when they were to re ceive further accounts of the proceedings of the war? Sir J. PAKINGTON said he could not answer that question till the next mail arrived. THE UNIVERSITY COMMISSION. Mr. H — EYWOOD asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether a report from the Commis sioners appointed to inquire into the University and Colleges of Oxford had been received, and when he will lay it on the table of the House? Ur. WALPOLE said he had received the report of the- Oxford Commission, but he could not lay it on the table until he received the permission of her Majesty to do so. QUEBEC AND MONTREAL RAILWAY. In reply to Mr. COBDEN, Sir J. PAKINGTON said the late Government had given no assent whatever as. to giving a guarantee to this railway; but the subject was now in negotiation and under the consideration of the Government. Before any guarantee was given the opinion of Parliament would be taken on it. GENERAL ROSAS. Oa the motion that the House at its rising do adjourn until Monday neat, Mr. ROEBUCK called for the production of the Treasury order issued to receive M. Ror.as, and to faci litate the passing of his effects and luggage through the Custom-house, and asked questions respecting the con duct of the authorities at Plymouth upon the arrival of M. Rosie. The Honourable Member said General Rom had been guilty of great atrocities in Mexico. He was no friend to the people of this country or to good !government, and he should to glad to know if it was true that this Treseeiry warrant had been issued? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said this cOnntry bad long been in negotiation with th e General, and her Majesty had made treaties with him, and he bad no hesitation in ening that the order was sent down. It was a matter of form, and Government had no d es i re to sh r i n k from its responsibility. It did not exempt the goods and chattels of the General from the duties which th e law imposed upon them, ,but simply required; the Customhouse authorities ,t o extend to the Gen era l that consideration and courtesy which was due to a person who had filled the exalted station which the General had recently lost—(Hear, hear.) Any other indulgences which bad been granted to the General, the Government were not reeponsible. for, but they were quit e w illing to acknowledge the Treasury order.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME said the Government had gone out of its way in this matter, and he should be glad to know if the Admiralty had sent out any orders.—(Hear, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said n o orders had been issued by the Admiralty, but the Go vernment entirely approved of all that had been done in this matter. MAJOR BROWNRIGGE. In reply to Mr. REYNOLDS, Mr. NA PIER said the CreValltriCllt had received a report from Major Brownrigge on the subject of ribbon ism, and a Dublin newspaper, in defiance of all previous courtesy, had published its contents. The newspaper knew more of his intentions on the subject than he did himself; but be could assure the House that the Go vernmsnt had not - yet made up its mind on the subject of the report. The motion for the adjournment of the House was then agreed to. THE BUDGET. The House having resolved itself into a Committee of Weys and Means, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose to make his financial statement. He said—The chief branch of the revenue having ceased by lapse of time, and a considerable deficiency having actually ensued, it would bo incumbent on, him, wero there no other reasons, to invite the - consideration of the House to the state` of ihe finances. Of late years commercial considerations were so mixed up with the arrangement of public finances, and unhappily political passion was so blended with all the points of commercial controversy, that ho felt it presumptuous to hope that on this °cession ho would obtain the serious and calm attention of the House on the great subject which he was about to bring under their consideration. When there was a cessation in a considerable source of the r eve n ue , an d -Th ere was necessarily a consider able deficiency in the public income, one question naturally occurred to every one. What were the soundest means, and at the same time the most practicable or the most popular, or rather the least Popular and the. most supply the d efic iency? 7c„.eieigndbyinthorrez_ metho ds , by pra c ticable ,dn WI to whioh could be adop- N d o u w t i e t s h e on n revenue art iel e s w o s was tis by on articles of domestic direct taxa ma t i o o: t . a W ild hich la o r f g t e h ly ese m by eans a was m sy o s si t t em pract o i- f l m an ufacture , 13 ! try, in order to plaee fi In regard to the fir s t, practi cable and the finances in a satisfactory state? Ihadth regard d re t d o the a. likely to obtain the consent of the coun plan. t r i a l :, he said that observing what 0 it resent and former sessions (gear, duties would be a not think any inceesbeel of o r f , c us t oms ha F duties, lB h 4 o 2 d t id o 1851 the remarkable feature in the ce fi e n very encouraging .a r n ona cial cond i .. Lion of the country had been the con t inued reduc tion of duty on foreign wool, auger, In those of customs dutiase.abDelarishinegd ten years there had been repeakd or reducede. 4 duties thaton coffee, period the ti m b r e o r t , I l c e o u r ni n, amounted to 9,000,000/. st er li ng . I t would be pre ss therefore to suppo se h e cou l d i nduce the su mptuous present 1.10t130 to supply the deficie n cy by the imposi tion of fresh import duties. Had he a more encourag ing prospect if he asked them to have recourse to a duty on articles of domestic manufacture? Now, one party in the 110080 had advocated the repeal of the Customs duties, as a means of relieving the industry of the country, and its success had been exemplified by that reduction of the Customs duties which he had just mentioned. There was also another party, which, if not so triumphant, W AS important from its nu m b ers and the zeal and conviction with which it maintained its opinions, who asserted that the best method of relieving native industry wse to repeal the Excise claim No man was a more ardent supporter of that opinion than the late Lord G. Bentinck, it has received the authority of authors of the highest repute, and he him self thought it was one of considerable benefit. — (Hear, hear.) But if there was one side of the House which thought Customs duties injurious and another side of the House, who also repudiated Excise duties, what was the prospect of a Chancellor of the Exchequer if his means of supplying a deficiency were limited to these two expedients only? But gentlemen on the other aide of the Rouse, though they objected to Customs duties par ticularly, had also a similar objection to Excise duties, and when he looked to the catalogue of the suc cessful measures which had been made within the last ten years on this branch of the revenue, he found that they had reduced the duties on vinegar, auctions, glass, and bricks, by which a sum of nearly 1,500,0001. was struck off the revenue. But this was not all; only this day week a Right Hon. Gentleman, once a member of the late Government, and a member of that confederation which of late years had exer cised so important a control over the financial po licy of the country, had come forward to propose a re peal of the Exccise duties to the amount of at least 1,400,0001. Under those circumstances the House would agree ' with them that not only withregard to Cus toms duties, but also with respect to Excise duties, a Minister who should propose to supply any deficiency by an increase of them, would embark in an enterprise ex tremely difficult. But the difficulties of an individuel in his position were not limited to those two branches. They heard a great deal in that Rouse, especially from Gentle men opposite, on what they called raising a revenue by direct taxation —(Opposition cheers.) He welcomed that cheer as showing the attention which Hon. Gentlemen opposite would pay to him on this subject, and ho felt himself favoured by it; but ho thought that when he came to go further into the details of the matter he should not have the adhesion of Honourable Gentlemen opposite so welcomely given. Within the last ten years the House and the country had had considerable experience with regard to this third mode of taxation. It was exactly tea years ago since one of the most distinguished statesmen of modern times, who had had a great share in the reduction of customs and excise duties, to which he had alluded, first introduced the measure which entailed a considerable weight of direct taxation on the country. Every one must remember that that tax was introduced into the House apologetically as a measure necessitated by an exi gency framed for an emergency; and even under these circumstances the House would not consent to it, with out its being framed on a large basis of exemption. There was no evidence then either in the House or the country of any great feeling in favour of direct taxation. Despite of the great talents of its framer, it was only adopted after considerable discussion, and before the end of the ten years it had become so odious that its existence was only renewed upon the severe condition of being submitted to the critical scru tiny of a Committee up-stairs. So far then as direct taxation was concerned, the conduct of the House and the country had not been any more encouraging than it had been with respect to the other modes to which he had alluded. He had hoped before being called upon to make his statement -, to":„ have bad the report before him of the Committee on this tax ; but, as he had not, it would be presumptuous to give any decided opinion on those points which were under the con sideration of that Committee. (Hear, hear.) One great objection to the tax upon property and in come was unquestionably, that there was no difference as to the mode and rate of assessment upon incomes of a temporary and permanent character.—(Hear.) • Now that important question was now submitted to a Com mittee, and, as he had said before, it would be arrogant in him to give an opinion upon the subject.—(Hear.) Bat they had received the completest evidence from the ablest men of the age, who had made the principles upon which this tax was based their direct study, and who had brought to bear upon it before the Committee all that scier.ce and learning could accomplish, and although he could not presume now Ito enter into a discussion of the justice or injustice of the income-tax ; yet he could say, that it all the precautions of these eminent actuaries were adopted, he should still be painfully sensible that Schedule A, Schedule B, and Schedule C would nevertheless be quite as odious as Sche dule D.—(Loud cheers.) Well, then, in con sidering this system of raising revenue, be could not slant his eyes to the fact, that the feelings of the people must • be considered as well as the principles of science. —(Hear, bear.) But there was another point upon which be could speak with more frankness, relating to the tax upon property and income. Ho had not pre sumed to give an opinion upon the justice or injustice of this method of raising revenue; but there was one point upon which the Committee was unanimous, and upon which he believed both the House and the country were unanimous that he could advert to it without hesitation. A tax of this nature, if it was to be rendered permanent, could not rest upon a system of exemption.—(Cheers.) No doubt, direct taxation in theory was a simple, easy, and captivating process; but when they wished to apply direct taxation gene rally it was astonishing what obstacles and objections were raised against it, and yet a direct tax of this nature to be tolerated must be rendered universal.— (Hear, hear.) The palace and the cottage must pay its equal proportion, but here the House would see again that no system of direct taxation could be rendered so universal as indirect.—(Hear, bear.) No doubt a tax of this nature, establilice, to eceet an emergency or a temporary . purpose must be based on a large system of exemption; • but though a direct tax of this nature might be imposed for tho sake of promoting industry, without looking to the financial consequences of such a system, they could not but feel that, in the long ran, coupled as it must be:with exemptions, it was little less then a system of confiscation. avowedly as a temporary measure, but in speaking of a system of advance, and when a tax late that under discus sion was at issue, it became absolutely necessary to c onsider its features.--(Cries ;of " No, no.") For the last two years, then, the Minister had been com pelled to go as it were upon his knees to the House of Commons to seek a continuance of this tax, while last year the Exchequer was deprived of two millions by the repeal of the window tax, which was asked for on sanitary grounds.—(No, no-) He should be able to show this it the House would bear with him, as well as that the sanitary objects contemplated could have been accomplished without the repeal of the tax.—(Cries of "Hear, hear.") He thought he should have no difficulty in showing that, but, perhaps, these who disputed the amount lost to the revenue were thinking of the house tax, which was substituted for it, It was in fact malting war upon capital which ultimately must employ that very industry which was sought to be relieved and encouraged—(hear, hear)—and yet a tax framed with all the precautions which he bad men tioned had met with great odium, and was still admitted to be unequal and unjust. In saying this he was raising no objection to the Minister who introduced it, The Committee would be at least of opinion that the clirn'culty of raising the revenue was not confined to custom's duties and excise duties, for if any attempt were made to exercise a direct system of taxation on any principle calculated to produce a permanent effect, it was stopped by prejudice and remonstrance. Everyone looked upon a Chancellor's surplus as a thing for prey and plunder.—(Lsughter.) In the general scramble, every one wished to obtain his purpose, and no one locked to the future. The inevitable danger impending bpon the finances was that while all demanded relief, some laid down principles which would prevent the imposition of . taxes in any shape whatever. The events of ten years showed this result—that the House of Commons disapproved of all the means of taxation, viz., duties on imports, direct cen f hd t a h inn e ceg y it e tho a er r : taxation, and Excise duties. He would now call the at tention of the House to the income and expenditure, of o just osft ht h of f terminated.E Aprilx Exchequer ci lastuer atwT w a s 11 2,0 o 0 e la te e thear actual income amounted to 52,468,3171, or an excess of 340,0001., but that did not do sufficient justice to the Right I.loe. Gentleman the Member for Halifax, because in the same period there had been a vast- diminution of taxation. The window-tax had been repealed, by which a loss of 640,000/. was experienced, allowing for the substitution of the house tax. There had also been a reduction of duties on coffee and timber, and a considerable reduction on sugar. That Right Honourable Gentleman estimated the revenue of the Customs for the same year at 20,400,0001. But not withstanding those reductions of Custom duties it amounted to 20,673,0004-- Be. reduced the. duties , on coffee: to one uniform duty of „threepence per lb. on both foreign and colonial. The consumption of foreign coffeeAzin the ee s year ending April, 1851, was 2,760,375 lbs., in the last year 5,500,000 lbs., being an increase of 3,448,000 lbs. Nor had there been any in jury done to colonial growth of coffee, there having been an increase in the last year of 29 compared with 28 million pounds of colonial coffee consumed. The amount of coffee consumed in 1850 was 32,511 lbs., in 1851, 30,292 lbs., in 1852 it had risen to 34,685 lbs. The amount of loss calculated on the reduction of duty on this article was 176,0001.—the real loss 112,000/. The amount of loss calculated on timber was 206,0001, the - real loss 126,0001,, and the amount of timber imported in 1851 was, hewn and sawn together, 628,000 loads, in 1852 954,000 leads.— (Hear.) The result of the reduction on sugar was so re markable that he could not refrain from giving it to the House. In 1851 we imported of foreign sugar 7,200,000 in • e, , cwt.; 185" 7 613, 000 cwt.—(Cheers)—heing an in. crease of e, 4lO 000 cwt.; being altogether an increase since the alterations of 1846 of 1,900,000 cwt. With regard to British sugar—he wa s speaking now of unrefined — we imported 5,113, 000 c wt., being an increase of 114,000 last six years the consumption of cwt. During th e .--- this coun try by 95,000 tons, sugar had increased in being 33 per cent. advance on its consumption in 1846; in and, with regard to the re venue, we had received, 1852, 4,163,635/., being, a lthough wecalculated had upon _ a loss of 330,00 0 /, only a loss of 3 09/. — ear, ,( id hear.) With regard to the general revenue, with regard to the taxes wh i ch the Chancellor c&ca lated upon receiving, 4,348,0001., but, in fact, owing t o the abolition of the window - ta x, the y bad only re ceived 3,691,000/. With regard to the proper t y -tax, the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite hid estimated it at 5.323,0001.; it had realised 5,283,000/.; the Right Hon. Gentleman bad estimated 830,0001. from the Post office, but, owing to the stimulus given by the Exhibi tion and the census, it had realised 1,050,0001. The Woods had been estimated at 160,000/.; they had pro duced 190,000/. The Miscellaneous, estimated at 262,000/., had produced 287,000/4 and the old stores, estimated at 4 50,000/, bad pro duced 395,000/. ; being altogether a revenue of 52,000, 000 9 which, with I an expenditure calcul a t e d at 50,°47 t 0001 P but tieltiarlys ... . 50,e91,000/., left a balance of 2,176,988/. He came now to the expenditure of the next yell., in which ho was himself more deeply interested. Of course, though the present Ministers had their share, yet the chief responsibility did not rest on them, as the estimates had been framed by their predecessors. The estimated expen diture of the nextyear, then, they calculated at 51,163,9791. The interest on Exchequer-bills this year would be 402,000/4 last year it was 401,545/. The total debt, therefore., this year would be 27,950,0001.; last year it was 27,978,5251.—(Hear.) The other charge on the Consolidated Fund amounted to 2,600,000/.; last year they amounted to 2,614,416/. Tho total charge therefore upon the Consolidated Fend this year would be 30,550,000/4 last year it was 30,593,9411. The Army, including the Commissariat, would this year require 6,491,8931 ; and the Navy 6,493,0001; but that would include the Packet Service, amounting to 870,158/., and, therefore, the Navy alone would only require 5,622,84 2 / 4 but it would stand:in the Estimates with the Packet Service at 6,493,0001. The Ordnance estimate would be 2,407,0001., and the miscellaneous or civil estimates 4,182,0861. e last year it was only 4,114,265/., hut a change in the transference of the Woods and Forests bad increased this charge of 65,0001 a-year.—(Hear.) The next item he came to was for the Kufir war, for which 460,000/. had already been voted. Now, some 6a6 te . ( Ch a ncellors of the E xc h equer wou ld h ave res t e d con tent with that, and dr awn u p on hi s res er v e chests for future . bopplies, but he did not think itl wise or] just to pursue that course in this instance.—(Hear, h ear .) Th e T re a s ury was responsible for the administration of the funds in the Cape, and had sent o ut o ffi cer s to su p e ri n t e nd the expenditure which th e y wore d o i ng w i t h a d uo an d proper regard for econo m y. I n d ee d, th e C omm i ss i o n department of the Cape bad been so well managed that there was a balanc e rema i n i ng i n h an d ou t o f th e 300,0001. voted last y ear , an d as th a t b a l ance , t oge th er with the 460,0001. v o t e d thi s y ear , wou ld b e ex hued o by the end of May or beginning of June, he proposed to take another vote of 200,0001, which would make th e t o t a l vo t e f or th e K a fir war o, Hear, hear.) There was another item to be provided for, namely, the Militia—(gear, hear)— which would req u i re 350,000/—(Hear, hear.) The total estimated expen di ture o f t h e year th ere f ore would be, for t h e year en di ng A pr il 1853, th e sum of 51,163,9791,—(Hear.) He came now to the sources of supply.—(Cheers,) The Customs last year produced 0 , but that was a remarkable year, owing 2, t0t 6 h 7,95 the Great Eehibition, which induced a great deal of trading, and created; a spirit: off enterprise all over the country while this iyear there would be a falling off in the sugar duties of sometbing like 145,0001., and he did not therefore anticipate that the Customs this year would produce so much as last,—(Hear, hear.) Ile cal culated, in 1850, whi c h was 20,572 , 000 1, w hi c h was a little however that it would yield about the same as more than 100,0001. less than in 1851.—(Hear, hear.) The Excise duties, too, he anticipated, would exhibit a f a l ling off, owing to a reduction in the carriage and railway travelling and the hop duties.--(Hear, bear.) The Excise he estimated at 14,604,0001 - Stamps, 6,339,000 1; the property-tax this year would only be half the amount realised last year, in consequence of its ceasing in October. He estimated the property tax at 2 ,641,000/. ; Post-office, 938,000/. ; Woods and Forests, 235,000/4 Miscellaneous, 260,0001.; Old Stores, 400,000 e That would make an income of 4 8,983,500 e There would be a defficiency of 2,180,479/. without the property and income-tax. The financial posi tion of the country last year as well as the present rim based on the assumption tbat the property and income-tax was to be continued not for one, but for two years, and with that object he would offer to the House his estimate of that which the tax would predate) in soother year. On this subject considerable controversy had occurred. He had now to inform the House there was uo diminution: in tho total amount of the assessment in the present year, compared with the two preceding years.— (Hear, hear.) A great portion of the arrears duo had been paid 'into the Treasury. In 1849 the tax had sank from 1,754,000/ to 1,584,000/, in 1850 it was 1,570,0001,, and in 1851 1,593,0001. There could be no doubt but that this reduction had been owing to the bad commercial year of 1847. If he might believe the estimates of those most competent to form an opinion, the amount which might be ex pected to come from this source during the next year would be 1,640,000/, and there was no doubt that that interest would entirely rally because whatever might be the temporary depression, the state of the country so far as schedule I) was con cerned was one ofgreat and sound prosperity.—(Cheers.) It had been his duty to state completely the rigid and fair truth with regard to trade and commerce, and he thought Hon. Gentlemen would on that account not show less willingness to believe him when he told them that there was a class in the country which was not prospering, and that the fact of their ad versity was commencing to tell upon the revenue in the item :of the property and income-tax.— (Hear, hear.) This was the first year in which a Chancellor of tho Exchequer had been obliged to come down to tell the House that an allowanoe must be made in taxation for reduced rentals. He was informed that it was more than probable that the privilege which was last year given to the British farmer, would be taken advantage of by that class, and that they would place themselves in great number under schedule D. Ho believed that he might estimate the deficiencies arising from this source at 150,0001, which would be mainly caused by the cultivators of the soil placing them selves underechedule I),in accordance with the permission given to them last year. The total amount of income-tax of the year 1852 he had estimated at 5,283,0041., to which he had 54,0001. for backward estimates, and he left, therefore, the sum of 5,370,0001. for what h e should receive from the next rear from this tax. From this he must deduct 150,0001, for the reasons be had alleged, and the d C ;itched upon the difficulty there rex/mil:m(l's,lB7,ooa The income of the years 1852 and 1853 would be 51,625,0001., and with an ex penditure of 51,16:3,9'M there would be a balance of 4 hear.) lie had now made a plain unvarnished e . heds a t r a , en statement of ~f t he year, and if he the expenses arid income had failed to lay it before the House with all the clea rness he could have wi.hed, it was entirely to be attribut e d to hi s want o f a bilit y an d exper i e nce, and not to any desire to conceal anythingtma Loud cri es o f " Hear, beat"). which attend( d the Itenap,Torait of the finances of this l fr ie hada o a m ir m ea i d tt y ee. countr y ; and he had endeavoured to bring the Commit tee to such a temper that it might consider the subject with somewhat more calmness and patience than had been accorded to the statement of a Finance Minister for som e years past. Her Majesty's Ministers would not shriek from surveying the whole system of the finances ef this country, and would attempt to inducethe House of Commons eo come to some clear and decided opinion upon the principles upon which the financial policy of t hi s country was for the future to be conducted. They looked with great apprehension on the opinions prevail ing in that House, which seemed opposed to all the great sources of raising th e revenue of the count:y. They considered nothing more injurious than rashly and ra pidly to reduce the sources of indirect taxation without having first i eonie to so me d ec id e d op i n i on as to the principles u ponwhich direct taxation s h o uld be raised, an d they were afraid that if the House continued in thate mood of mind it would be impossible for them to maintain the revenue of i t his country n th at condition which the public credit and the Public engagements re qu ir e d Her Majesty's Government had a profound conviction this beed . They deemed it their duty to impress upon the Committee and the country the danger of the "ars e in which Parliament had em barked.—(tries of " Rear, hear.") To impress upon them the absolute necessity now, or in another Parlia ment, of arriving e.t some definite understanding upon the principles upon which the revenue of the country ought to be raised,...( kEleat) They deemed it their duty to denonrce as most pernicious to all classes of the country the systematic reduction of indirect taxa tion, while at the same time the House levied the direct taxation upon a very limit class.—(Cheers.) The Government would not have shrunk from undertaking. ' tae laborious duty of examin ing the whole finest cial syatem; animated by thee© views, an d - -- actuated by that principle , but he put it with confidence to the House, whether it had been possible for the present to undertake a duty which demanded so much labour, so much I research, and so much time, wh ich b e was sure no member of the Government could command.—(Hear, h eat . ) The Committee, he was sure, would recce! -eel , that ii was only this day two months since Ministers acceeded to office.—( Hear, hear.) It was indeed only R i x weeks since t h e Fi nance Minister could resume his seat, owing to his having had to meet bis constituent e,,... • rr 'ea was sensible of the indu l gen ce w hich the H attee eatreeeeseemeeair e sees time to time, in assist ing him to conduit the business of the House; but the claims of the Reu se and his Other avocado& ren dered it nhlet,- - - ---elly impossible for him to succeed in the task which be had just mentioned.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") But alt hie the proposal on the part of the But which be was going to make was one of a very uninteres ti n g character, and of a somewhat provisional character, he hoped the House would 'not —Ppm° that they were' shrinking from the fulfilment of their duty; and if it should please Parliament and the country to give them the op portunity to propounding another financial scheme they would not again make a provisional proposal to the . House 'eject. —(Hear hear. under upon this important sU these circumstances he was sure the House would antici pate thatihe should feel it to be his duty to recommend an the first opportunity for their adoption t h e co n tinuance of theca d ut i es on proper ty and income for a limited period—(Cheere)—which had been sub jected to their criticism both there and elsew here. —(Cheers.) It would have been more agree uble to him to him to have relieved the industry of the country, and to l have pnrsued that greet course of a fair adjustment o f th e taxation which he believed, the ma :Ferny of the House were inclined to see fixed upon right and equitable principles.--(Hear.) But that was not now in his power.—(Hear.) His duty had only been to place truly b e f ore the House the condtion . of the public revenue, and to offer that advice which th e Government, under the circumstances, feel it their duty to tender, and now thein placin g a resolution in the hands of. Chairman h d the House wo uld on this, , e trutte as on every s ub s equent opportunity, give him every facility to carry into a law a measure f ur cont i nu i ng for the limited period of one year the present property and income tax.— . (Cheers.) ' Sir CHARLES WOOD said it was with sincere pleasure he h a d to cong ratulate the Chancellor of the Excheque r on th e ver y emcees s l u t manner in which he had introduced his first budget. With the greater part of the Right Honourable Gentleman's statement he entirely concurred, and be regarded as the most complete justification of the policy which had been pur sued for the last ton yeare. He had possessed himself wiile m m e rtalso 4clowl OM Mich but atier , the observations of the Right Honourable Gentleman, ho thought that quite unnecessary. Daring the last 20 years 12,200,0001. of taxes had been removed, whereas the loss to the revenue was only 14,000,0001. He had held the Right Hon. Gentleman's office for five yearsland knowing the diffieulties to be encountered by him, he, for one, would not be a party to any attempt to prey or plunder upon the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He should give every possible facility to the Right Hon. Gentleman to carry out his scheme. Mr. JOSEPH HUME said, though ho was not opposed to the imposition of the income-tax • be thought it ought to be placed on a sound, just, and permanent footing, and ho was surprised that the Right Honourable Gentleman should propose to con tinue it even for a year longer, with all its inequalities. (LEFT SPEARING.) MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, April 30.) &roam—To-day the supply of West India Sugar at market was far from sufficient for grocers or refiners wants; the sales in consequence were only 189 hhds, &c., at stiffer rates. For the week, the quantity sold is 4,890 hhds, &c, and the advance Is per cwt. IiEFINED.—To-day there was more activity in the home trade Refined market, and it is difficult to obtain brown lumps under 45s 6d per cwt. The export demand for Crushed Sugar is evidently on the increase, and former terms are well supportedr MAunerms.—This afternoon the quantity of Mauritius Sugar submitted to public sale amounted to 17,600 bags, 70 casks. The demand was brisk, and the whole sold at full rates; indeed, in some cases, the advance On Tuesday's prices was rd per cwt; tine yellow realised 36s to 37a 6d, good 31s 6d to 35s 6d, low to mid 32s to 343, good to fine brown 29s to 31s 6d, very ord to mid 24s to 28s 60, and grey sorts 32s to 365. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon the demand was again active for Bengal Sugar, and a rise of Gd to is per cwt took place. At public sale 11,300 bags were sold; Benares, good to fine went at 35s to 38s Gd, low to mid 33s to 34s 6d, damp and washed 32s to 375, fine greyish yellow 32s to 335, ord to mid like Mauritius 31s to 335, Khaur 24s to 25s 6d, and fine brown 26s to 275. The previous currency is well sustained for Madras, with many buyers. At auction 1,540 bags were sold; mid to good grocery 33s 6d to 375, ord 32s 6d to 335, soft brown 24s to 253 6d, and ord yellow do 26s to 26s 6d. FOREIGN.—To •day several parcels of Brazil and yellow Havannah were sold privately for shipping, at full former rates. None was submitted to public sale, and the market closes with a firm tone. _ _ _ MOLASSES.—There are several buyers of West India, and stiffer rates offered. Prices for Barbadoes and Antigua rule at 13s to 14s, and other sorts 12s to 12s 6d ; Bengal and Mauritius in small parcels realised 11s to 12s, Cuba and Porto Rico 13s to 13s 63. Honey, good to fine Jamaica 48s to 545, ord low to mid 38s to 46a. Tamarinds remain in good request. Sales of East India made at 9s 6d to 12s; West India at 24s to 34s per cwt. COFFEE.—This afternoon there was less business done in Native Ceylon Coffee. By private treaty 1,500 bags changed hands. Of 147 casks 344 bags at auction a part found buyers at 43s for good ord. Plantation Ceylon is less wanted, but the previous value is generally sustained. Of 500 casks 100 bags at auction about one-half sold ;. low mid to mid went at 54s to 575, fine to fine fine ord 49s to 535, triage 38s to 465, and pea berry 63s to 655. Mocha was held for full rates, but attracted little attention, and barely half of 690 bales 309 half-bales and 324 frazils sold at 70s to 81s for ord to good mid yellow clean garbled. Of African, 600 bags went at 403 for good ord. 30 brls Jamaica were taken in at 51s for fine fine ord. COCOA.—There is not the least improvement in the demand for foreign, and supplies larger than previously ; at auction 1,500 bgs Para were taken in at 25s 6d, and 283 bgs Bahia 1 24 s to 255. The value of Guayaquill is 28s to 295. For West India privately several parcels have been sold at rather higher rates, Trinidad fine red realizing 39s to 445, good 36a to 38s. old to mid 32s to 355, grey 28s to 325, Grenada and St. Lucia 28s to 34s per cwt. Tz.t.—To-day Tea was brisk, and there are few sellers of good ord sound Congou under 9 1 ,4c1. FECIT.—A very large business has been done in Currants at better prices; new at 30s to 365, and old 24s to 265. The demand for Valentia Raisins continues dull, notwithstanding the low price, Valentia being 273 to 28s, Dania 22s to 233. In Muscatel's a fair business doing. The few Turkey Figs in the market, principally in second hands, are held for higher prices. INDIGO.—To-day at auction 44 srns Indigo went at stiff rates ; 3a 5d to 4s 7d for mid Cortes to good Sobres SAINPETRE —To-day there was a reluctance to operate in Saltpetre, and late rates barely sustained. A small part only of 2,253 bgs Calcutta in auction sold, refraction 4 , 4 i 30s Gd to 31s, 6 1 -4 to 6% ditto 29s to 29s 6d, 8 ditto 27s 6d, 9% to 10 ditto at 26s 6d to 275, and 14 1 / 26s Gd per cwt. TALLOW.—Although transactions in Russian on the spot are limited, with a greater stock last season, yet merchants are firm, and obtain 35s 9d to 36s for fine new Y.C. The demand is not better for delivery, yet the rates asked are 37s 3d to 37s 6d for the last three months of the year. Home melted is in good demand, yet at 35s 6d to 36s net cash there are sellers. Of other sorts of Tallow a larger quantity is on offar than last week, and the demand not better the terms of that time are not sustained. Of East India Vegetable 150 cases at auction sold at 38s 6d to 398. Ons.—To-day auction 35 tune Sperm Oil sold at 861 to 881. ss, and Headmatter 91/, very low 821; 11 tuns Seal, pale 30115 s to 314 straw £9l, dark and yellow 281 10s to 29155. ; 40 cases Spermaceti is Is' 6d. • • COCIIINEAL.—To-day full rates were asked for Cochineal, but there was not much demand. Part of the parcels offered only sold : 68 bgs Tenerife at 3s 8d to 3s lid for silvers, and black 4s to 4s 6d ' • 22 bgs Honduras, silvers, ord 3s Bd, black ord to good 4s Id to 4s Bd, and 37 bgs of Mexican silvers 3s 8d per lb. LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, APRIL 30, 1852. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, April 29. ECCLESIASTICAL REFORM. (Continued from our Fourth Edition.) Lord R. GROSVENOR, in seconding the motion, said that his Noble Friend merited the thanks of every true friend of the Established Church and of religion, not only on account of the trouble which he had taken to inform him self on every point with regard to this question, but also on account of the additional labour which he had undertaken on the framing of a comprehensive measure for the considera tion of the House. And when be stated that sooner than abandon this measure bis Noble Friend had refused to join the present Government , be was sure that all would appre ciate the motives by which he was actuated..—(Hear, hear.) Most of the comprehensive provisions contained had in the Bill which his Noble Friend proposed to introduce been re commended by Committe es of that Hour which had sat on this subject; and he believed that their effect would be to render the funds of the Established Church more available for the purposes of further edu cation and spiritual instruction at a time when the attainmen t of these objects was so loudly demanded on all sides. H e trusted that neither the Go vernment nor the House would offer the smallest obstruction to the introdueion of the Bill, and that by . that . means an with r _ respect to it might be ob expression of public opinion Ix stated that there were ob tained. When it was P b 1,500,000 persons in the metropolis %s e eds who did not attend thought o it high time that they place of public worship, h should entertain some measureoftlhe Friendisnatiireh taken such . had Mr. WALPOLE \ r sa id his Noble immense pains with the subject, and had made such efforts to improve the spiritual institutions of the Established Church, that he should be ungrateful were he, on the part of the Government, to object to his obtaining leave to bring in a Bill such as he proposed.—(Hear, hear.) He thought the arguments of the Noble Lord possessed much truth. As far as he (Mr. Walpole) could . understand the p r i nc i p l es of the Bill, they were, first, to increase the erection of bishop rics by new sees, and in the second, to provide better management for the ecclesiastical revenues. Now in both those o bjects he ag reed, p rovided the y co uld be effected with advan t a ge to the members of the Church and th e country and, therefore , he thou ght it would be better that the House should wait until the details of the measure were before it. He thought it would b e d es i ra bl e to include also the parochial clergy in these arrangements. The manageme nt of ecclesiastical property was a very grave su bj ec t, and it would require considerable attention before com ing to any conclusion. His Noble Friend proposed to put the pro p e rty in the hands of ecclesiastical co mm i ss i oners. -Upon that subject he was not at present prepared to give a ny definite opinion. It seemed to him to be a question turning more upon the mode in which it ought to be done, than upon the propriety of doing it. Upon this subject he would reserve all further observations until they saw the Bill, to the introduction of which he would offer no opposi tion.— (Hear.) Sir R. H. INGLIS said that he had learnt that it was not the intention of her Majesty's Ministers to oppose the intro duction of the Bill, and he had come down to the House not intending to offer any observations on the subject; but he was not prepared for the speech of the Noble Lord who had introduced the motion, or the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for the Home Department.. lie depre cated with all his heart the principles laid down, and when he heard the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Walpole) congra tulate the Noble Lord upon his great knowledge of the sub ject, as manifested in his speech, he could not help express ing his surprise. lie would just, by way of example, and to show the great knowledge of the Noble Lord, call the atten tion of the House to one of his propositions, " Deaneries and canonries are sinecures." He need do nothing more than call attention to that proposition, by way of exemplifying the great knowledge of the Noble Marquis upon this subject. He would not offer any further remarks, but content himself with intimating his perfect aversion to the mode in which the Noble Marquis intended to carry out his proposition, and- his extreme regret at the course pursued by the Government. Sir BENJAMIN HALL said he would not take up the time of the House long. He should content himself simply with saying, that as he had taken an active part in reform ing some of the abuses of the Church, he was most thankful for this Bill. He should be prepared to offer some observa tions on the broad propositions contained in this Bill when it came on for discussion in due course. He approved of taking the whole management of this property out of the hands of the episcopal capitular bodies, and further, at pre sent, he had only to thank his Hon. Friend for bringing for ward this motion, and to reiterate that he should offer fur ther observations when the discussion took place upon the measure.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME said that he was quite sure the Noble Mar quis (Marquis of Blandford) stood forward as the best friend of the English Church when he proposed to put down these abuses. His Hon. Friehd the Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert Inglis) near him had been consistent in supporting these abuses, but he had been equally consistent in his en deavours to suppress them. From the constant efforts of himself and others, he was happy to say that since he came into Parliament the Church cf England had greatly improved in many respects. The abolition of sinecures vas an attempt which every friend of the Church should support. One of the first attempts he made in Parliament was in the line of this motion, and he was de lighted to see that things were coming round in the right di rection. The people of England must lo o k upon this with k satisfaction. Sinecures had ceased in the civil service, in the army, and in the navy, and in almost every department, and why should sinecures and pluralities n permitted amongst a body of men professing to be the guides and instructors of the people?—(Cheers.) He approved of placing in lay hands the management of the property of the Church.—(llear.) Mr. COWI'ER said that there was a large party in this country who felt very strongly the necessity of further re forms in the Established Church. Great exertions bad been made on this s u bj ect, b oth in the House and out of it. — (Hear.) In the House Committees had been appointed, and inquiries instituted on the subject, but the House had been negligent, and nothing had been done. But the time bad now come when they must act in real earnest.—( Hear.) He approved of having the management of this Church property in lay hands, and of the introduction of this measure , which should have his support. Mr. UORSMAN said that this was one of those motions which was extremely comforting to those who bad laboured to do away with these abuses. He felt happy nag . that there Wil; a feeling expressed the 1190° 41444- that would meet with very general support.—(Cheers.) These questions must force themselves more aad more upon the attention of the Government. Pubiie opinion would not suffer them to exist.—(Hear.) Durh.e the liv,t few yasre there had been very considerable reterms. and thee, bad given them encouragement to go on, Ihe lien. Baronet; the Member for the University of Oxford (Sir Robert Inglis) had called in question the knowledge of the Noble Lord who had made this motion, because he ha.l celled these deaneries . sinecures. Now, he wan t e d to know wh .t wire the duties of a dean ? He had asked that question year after year, and he could not get an answer. He could rot discover either the spiritual or ecclesiastical duties of these persons. He trusted that the Hon. Baronet would now enlighten them on :list subject. He agreed with the principles enunciated ie this Bill. He should content himself with the expression of opinion, and should not then enter upon the details. He fully appreciated the spirit in which this measure had teen brought forward, and he s h ou ld b e di spose d t o g i ve it e very assistance in his power.—(Eleae) Mr. SIDNEY HERBEKT thought that the necessity for the reform of ecclesiastical abuses was becoming every day more apparent.—(Hear.) As to many of these eccleiastical offices, the lapse of time had separated many of these offices from the duties which originally attached to them. That had given rise to many of these 'theses, and should be al tered. He gave his cordial thanks to.the Noble Marquis for introducing this measure, but until the Bill was before the House it would be impossible to speak of the details ; but so far as he could gather the Writ and intentions of the Noble Lord in respect to this subject, he would promise any support he could give. Sir HARRY VERNEY unitel in the feeling of gratitude so generally expressed to the Noble Marquis for the feelieg and spirit in which he had brought forward this measure. There was one question, however, which he wished anewered by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Hr. Walpole). When he alluded to the desirableness of obtaining the co operation of the Church in these projected reforms, did he include in that expression the lefty as well as the clerge ? Mr. WALPOLE said he bad never used the word Church except as uniting in the word both clergy and laity.— (Hear, hear.) When he had said so, supposing the measure to meet the approbation of the Church, be included both, and he hoped the House would not legislate on this measure with out the joint cooperation of the clergy and laity.. . Mr. AGLIONBY hoped that in drawing up this Bill care would be taken not to interfere with the rigete of lessees cf Church property, and other persons, whose rights had been regulated and guaranteed by Act of Parliament. He hoped that, in carrying out a measure of this description, care would be taken to do justice to all parties. The Marquis of BLANDFORD replied. He was animated with a sincere desire to render the English Church more efficient; and he should be deeply pained it he was the cause of casting any discredit upon the ministers anu officers of the Church. He hoped this measure would zite be regarded as a party measure— (Cheers) and that it would be c..rried one by all parties in the spirit and intention by which he was himself animated. The Hon. Baronet the bleniteur for the University of Oxford had animadverted upon his expression, when .he had said that deaneries and canonries were sine cures. When he used the word sinecure, he wished to say that there were very small duties attached to them, and that in that sense they. were sinecures. For the teie el the tai to " sinecure," in reference to deaneries and canotirieii. he had the authority of Burn, who laid it down, that deaneries and canonries were sinecures, in the sense that they had no spi ritual cures like a bishop. He hoped that what had taken place that night would form a period from which they would date the commencement of measures useful to the Chetah, and which would raise it to the moral elevation it ought to maintain. The motion was then agreed to without a division. PRESERVATION OF THE •CRYSTAL PALACE. Mr. HEYWOOD presented several petitions front various parts of the metropolis in favour of the retention of tho Crystal Palace. Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition from Lambeth to the same effect. Mr. HEYWOOD then came forward to propose his mo tion " for the appointment of a Seiect Committee to consider the preservation of the Crystal Palace, or the central portion thereof, with a view to its applicability to purposes of pub lic instruction and recreation." lie regretted he was not enabled to bring the subject forward st an earlier p.riod of the session, but it had been delayed in consequence of the wish of the Member for Totnes, in the first instance, and the change of Government afterwards interfered to cause further delay. He had also postponed it in consequence of the great meeting which was proposed to he held at Exeter ball upon the subject. He was now enabled to say that tue great majority of the inhabitants of the metropolis were in favour of the retention of this structure. The feel.. ings exhibited at the meeting at Exeter-hall might be taken as a fair test of the sentiments of the middle classes, at all events. They were under great obligations to the late Government for the appointment of a Committee, upon which was the Noble Lori the Member for Totnes and Sir William Cubitt. He thought the best course to be adopted was to purchase it 45,C901., a price much below its value. It had been exa mined by Sir Joseph Paxton and Mr. Charles Fox, who stated that the foundations were perfectly firm, and that the building would require very little repair. He wished to lay before them, the plan which had been suggested for support ing it. It was proposed that it should be placed in the nature of a trust, composed of gentlemen in whom the public would have confidence, and of members of the Go vernment. The Royal Commission could not retain it, as they were under a promise that it should be taken down by the Ist of June. The First Commissioner of Woods wae empowered to take it down, and sell' the materials. When the building was first erected, it presented a splendid ap pearance. It was a new invention in erchi:ec ture, and one of the greatest improvements far the benefit of science in modem time. He thought it might be applied to a green-house, and for the ex hibition of scientific objects. If the Committee which he moved for was appointed, he wished it to be invested with full powers, and that its preservation should not ee limited to its present location. The building was beautiful, nothing could be more magnificent then the transept, still it might be reduced to a smaller scale, as it was too long at present The accommodation for riders in the park should not be shut out from the consideration of the Committee. He re garded this structure as a noble monument of architectural skill. Many objected to it as a monument of the Exhibi tion, but he thought that rather in its favour, ac it was the commencement of intercourse with foreign nations. He thought Sir Joseph Paxton's plan of apple lug it to the purpose of a winter garden the beet. He hoped the building would be preserved in its present Me m, but of smaller dimensions, and placed under the superinteetionce of the Government., It might be made very ueetu. in ccnveyir instructive and scientific subjects.- bear.) Science could not be better taught elsewhere. nor specimens of scientific objects exhibited to greater eds &fosse la any other place. If they could keep the buildieg. they might exont that the crowds would not be very grca , except upoi, jeer ticular occasions, and therefore no laceeverience would arise upon that head. This building would be most ap propriate for botanical institutions. Times which were held in gardens often occasioned disappointment, particu larly to the ladies, when the weather was met. Spell ex hibitions could not be more conveniently hard anywhere than under the dome of the Crvstal Palace. lie wished that the 'subject might be fully considered by the Com mittee. Much had been said of the point of Looour that it should be taken down. He regretted that Sir Henry Hardin g° had not to decide it. He should be surprised if the Noble Lord the First Commissioner of Feeds was opposed to this motion. He was lately at Hatton Yell, in the Noble Lord's own county, where he met a French Marquis, who observed that the reason the aristocracy of England hold their position above that of every other in Europe was, that they knew the right time to yield. He would say that this was a fitting occasion to yield to the wishes of the people. It would be self-sustaining, and the entrance fee would restrain those concourses of the people that might injure the beauty of the park by trampling the grass. The present Government were under no pledge to take down this structure, and, therefore, coarcl make this conces sion. A the meeting at Exeter-hall. a deputation had been appointed to wait upon the Noble lend at the head of the Government, but as they had not yet peen the Noble Lord, the proposition came before the House without any know ledge of the intentions of the Government. The First Com missioner of Woods had given great attention to the eubject, and he hoped ,it would receive the favourable consi.leration of the House, and concluded by moving for the Comeoatee, Mr. HUME seconded the motion, and in doing co in treated the Government to consider that the object which Hon. Gentlemen had in view who desired to retain the Crystal Palace was to afford instruction and recreation to the people. Over and over again he had heard it said that the people of England could not be trusted like the people of continental nations in any of the great public metautiona, but his answer had always been, " Trust and try, them, for until you do that, you cannot offer a correct opinion upon the subject." How worthy they were of trust, the results which had followed the opening of the British Museum, the National Gallery, and other institutions were quite sufficient to show. When he (Mr. Hume) first suggested that the British Museum should be thrown open to the people, that institution might be regarded almost as a sealed book, upon the average not more than 70 or 75 parties, consisting of five or six persons each, visiting it in the course of a week, and each of these parties being accom panied by a persOn to see that no harm was done. But at length the building was opened without restriction to the public and what was the 'consequence? Why, that from that hour down to the present not an article of all that im mense and valuable collection had been touched by the vi sitors. And yet, during last year only, upwards of two millions and a half of persons passed through the rooms. In the case of the. National Gallery. too, the conduct c the people had been most exemplary; for since it was thrown open to their free admission not a single accident had oc curred to the valuable paintings collected there. Again, during the Great Exhibition, when day after day for months together 50,000 and 90,000 people assembled in the Crystal Palace, there was not a single occasion on which the inter ference of the police was required to keep order amongst that enormous crowd. And what said Colonel Rowan with re gard to the conduct of the people? Why, that one police man was now sufficient to mainta in ismipr •t o h ivv e aenir p e e e a n c rt e eli i nu n itrh p e c ed r . tion s of the metropolis where, when he was appointed t o th e o ffi ce C l o i m k e m t i h s i s e i , o t n h e e r n , fi t o v e t h o e r manners of the worki ng c l asses, he (Mr. flume) slid a o testimony Chief think that Parliament was bound to retain the beautiful structure at present existing in fiyde-paik.—(Hear, heato) But, in asking this, h e did not call upon the House' for vile farthing of the public money. A number of noblemen and gentlemen had associated themselves together, who wishe-d to be allowed to do that for the public which another set of gentlemen had been permitted to de for the Zoological and the Botanical Gardens in the Regent's Park.--(Hear, hear.) They said "give us a lease of eighteen acr es of land on which the Crystal Pal ace s t an d s; charge please for it, and allow us to apply the budding to uchit—toput a poses as we blieve we can most usefully apple' _ what rent you education of artisans generally, and to the entitle f tame of art, machinery, and manufactures; at the re serving a portion of it es a public walk." to open proposed this request being acceded to, they then at ic ef 3d. the building for two days in weekeachnarte day the irtheweek In samettic event of for the admission of each persons and_ e o ar to guarantee the capitalists of the country had (. 1 altogether free of charge.- (Hear, hear) Some of the first and making suitable receipts, after paying the wouldexpr be set apart as a reserve the committee, and the funds for carrying out the proposa ae l a,, of ad ditions to the collectiong, the motion. He begged to second , hoped his conduct would always be fund to increase the general emciency of the establishment. Colonel SIBTHO v it ' P ws he had expressed of the Exhibi tion at the Cry, ' Palace. He had never entered the and a laugh)--nor would he have consistent ev(iiitheatrhabteaelayt building— entered it if any individual had given him 1,000 guineas. He would not dare to do . so consistently with his sense cf a dutyhis fellow-subjects. — (Laughter.) Ile had ex pressedl). h he didnot toe wish from w now depart, that some visitation might have taken place which at one fell swoop would have annihilated the place, believing, as he did that it was prejudicial to the best interests of the country. A Noble Lord had in another place spoke of the Exhibition as cer tain to promote amicable relations between this country and foreign nations, yet two different Governments had lately come to that House declaring that they could not trust the foreigner's professions of amicable intentions, and had de manded increMed armaments for the defigGe.of the cotilittri• In their professions of friendship, then, they were only pay ing an empty compliment to the foreigner. lie would no have done so. If he thought a man was a rogue or enemy he would have said so. He hoped, then, the Cryital Palace, as it was called, would be removed, and the sooner the better. Lord Brougham, Lord Campbell, and Mr. Justice Cresswell had declared that they had no more right to take possession of any part of the park than a Member of that House would have to take away the mace from the table. He certainly would not sanction the appointment of a Committee, and he would oppose the motion. Lord J. MANNERS said, the Hon. and Gallant Member who had just sat down would excuse him if on tbis occasion, he declined to enter on the merits of the Great Exhibition , and he had also no doubt that the Hon. Member for Mon trose would not feel offended if he did not follow him in the review of the (miller acts of his public life, and his endea vours to promote public education-endeavours which had been so successful, which the House knew so well-and for which the cottony at large was so orateful and appreciated so highly. His object was simply to state the reasons which the Government thought that the agreements under wnie the building was erected, and under which it waft' to be re moved, should be adhered to -(Hear, hear.) The first of these reasons was, the notorious fact that had it not been for the strength, be might also say the solemn nature of this engagement, the great probability was, that the building Lower would have been erected at all.--(Hear, bear.) lion. Gentlemen had been so carried away by • the great and almost unexpected success of the en terprise, ib a , they were very apt to forget the powerful obstacles whim, opposed the project at the outset. He spoke in thepreseoceo! a member of the Royal Commission, who lenew well the mitn and magnitude of these obstructions; and he bad no hesita tiont in saying, in his presence, 'that if it bad not bees . o r _ those solemn engagements these difficnities and obstr uctions would have been enormously, and even fatally increasedo: (Hear, hear.) Now, what were the terms of these engulf ' menta? He found in the royal warrant, dated, the lir . July, that it was distinctly stated that the building tioned, and all other buildings that might be erected , and all materials wanted for that purpose, should be taken dow il , e , e he carried away by the let of June, 1852, and further, th at surface of the site where it stood should be restored at the e ele pease of the C omm i ss i oners t o it s f ormer con dition. I . ° • deed and covenant subsequently e n t ere d i n to for carrYl ng out the undert a ki ng , th ere was a c l ause b y w hich this ay e d gagement was most stringently a n d s t r i c tly enforced, _ the Commission was especially bound to remove everi portion of the building, and restore the surface of the the before the Ist of June, 1852. Nor was that all. o t 1 preliminary arrangements between the Royal Collum -le s End the First Commissioner of Woods and Works it Wa_ e distinctly stipulated that the Exhibition should end o r " . materials th on building objectsformer m itselfe rs t shouldcomprisingat e state, to oht he etda e r d t " ro w te i e ; 1 the lit of November, 1851, and that immediately wardsould its nbneciretmh removed eadtrh: that restored e e of Woods and Works seven months after the closing ° en d- Exhibition.-( Hear, hear.) So strong was the underriel.qter mg at the time, that the building should be renuiv e " er - d, the temporary purpose for which it was intended 1 08 8-f t e td that the Secretary of the Royal Commission, in a letter de - co the 27th of June, 1850, in reply to a proposal to in the more stringent words into the contract for carrying, UL .% was intention, replied, on the part of th e C omm i ss i on , toe" notorious the building was to be removed after it ic to . served its merely temporary purposes ; th a t its strietlY, a nd porary character had been distinctly s tat e d through° n " o ity that the Commissioners hoped and believed that no difli . o tioi , would prevent them from removing it at the time al"P e e le fects Such were the distinct engagements, and the notorio' l ' d i a ie of the case which they were now called upon to re e , 10 Even admitting that the retention of the Crystal Pal .bleb its present site, might be advantageous for the object e vil the Hon. Mover had in view, he contended that which would result from so manifest and, flagrant . v night tion of public faith would overbalance any good that ,Po ch it result from it. Occasion might Again arise on liw' o ote might be thought proper to alienate for a short tin'enhjec other portion of the royal domains, and would tb e , Leh' tions that might be raised in such alienation be s r ` e - o` o rse ened or diminished , if the Home were to take tile that to which it was now invited? He was prepared to el; the the advantage to the working classes of retaining' a ll. Crystal Palace in its present s it e wou ld be ve r l,.. - t was He grounded his opinion on two reasons. lbe .e iOg derived from the nature and chara c ter of, the bootwas self-the second from the site which it occupied , 'relide to admitted on all hands-and no one wee more axcl. ' admit it than he himself-that the building itself ,e e l ; e° eeeii; mirably adapted to the purpose for whi c h it Wee' e e eiv A very strong a priori argument w ou ld th en ce be ,h - e - at ost as to its permanent character. H e 'h e ld it to , hes' Aich short-sighted, and, in the long run, extravagant policy' would say, "Here we have a building erecte d f o r se. went far purpose, let us see If we cannot m a k e it serve a Pe r f ; red.' object, totally different from th a t f or w hi c h it was-t"„eeater' It was admitted by all the witnesses examined ASO' who were favourable to the retention of the Ogee' ," to be that many and essential alterations should be necese er e' r eose• k w a o t u t ld ha j t us g t iv re e f n er h th y em si t r o t c he ha e t v le id a en F ce nx g . iv i e n n. ans " aw e ' es i. i tg . made, if it were to be adapted to any permanent OP",Theill look question he said that, in his opinion, a new roof a_ e r ' - „,',Oet' fioor would be essential if it were to be made Pe%, - ar - den• he said that it would he necessary to make building. If it were to be converted into a Wiot er b- tion s in the floors and galleries-the timbers of which , he eu e g ef, b e might be sold for a considerable sum. For the c old advised several alterations-among others, that ie.eaing be newly glazed, which amounted pretty nearly to the re ' a new roof altogether. Mr. Dilke was anxious for, tention of the Crystal Palace in its present site. • Het I L or that there must be a new roof, and that with 2 0, "`". 0 ef. 30,0001. the building might be made wind and wategoo The successful designer of the building, Sir Joseph` ere ct a himself, did not disguise his opinion that if asked , to wou ld building for purposes similar to those proposed , be, at . ia geese alteraestea, erect one totally different from and better than tuloot Hyde-park. He too was of opinion that if the P i put building was retained a new roof would be necessary jet, if he were to make a new one he would make a mac" ;„ $ ll more elegant, more appropriate and superior building '7 9 to respects for 25,000/. Mr. Hawkins, in his evidence ; a o f the practicability of placing in the Crystal Pahlee e , ee e t e a it those curious works of arc for the exhibition 0 2 - "- the was complained that there was not roem elsewuere 1,1,1a.11 metropolis, stated as his decided opinion that the btu , ! no was net suited to such purposes. In answer to One ell ,, - v 541, he said, " I cannot believe that it would save the coun . " ( 11 a single sixpence in expense to make an adaptatio n to it; in fact, I believe it would be as costly to do an 4 1 3 , 0 . make an entirely new building." To quote another au kite rity in favour of the retention of the Crystal Palace,,:filt Cole was of opinion that for a temporary purpose i t be made of great use in stowing away works for l o w they had not sufficient space elsewhere; but on o idt asked if it would be of use for permanent peirpOse'' ; oog "I would not have it supposed that the present Co le is an appropriate place." On further inquiry, Dl r O nv old seemed to think that the want of accommodation that e . •v oan be found if the Crystal Palace were to be converters',oo exhibition of works of art would be advantagus,: sod much as it would arouse public attention to the ia°_!L he re might induce them to erect a proper structure sonsreso else. So at least he (Lord J. Manners) interpreted r a pt, swer to question 612. From all this evidence, he tlw af the he might fairly assume that the nature and charaetl iate es• Crystal Palace were such as to render most essential a tion absolutely necessary before it could be eenverte's er had building suitable to the purposes which the Hon. Illof`enoses in view. When he came to consider what thes e Pu're else were, and what the purposes were which had been loaf age" of at public meetings in order to stimulate the poln i t o eer' tation on this subject, he felt totally submerged sou ter .-- whelmed by their variety and contradictory eba r e se r o nice N te o res ' t in this eo e l (Hear, hear.) It had been proposed to convert l a u g hter.) "No,the°, but he cOtil,", —tired he a ball-room.--Cries read the speeches made out of doors in that veryect that Hen. hebad Members taken might ag c e r a y t prof/ 0 % 4 , 6 1, Nay, the distinguished architect of the buildi n g,' „ w ith the idea of converting the Exhibiting Paxton, himself, was more delighted than any one e' s " hell room, and when speaking on the subjeet, broke out into, „ to turous expression of delight when Le contemplaten 1 " - to the sure he should have in giving a glorious hearty dat e o ignetl: people of England in the building which he bad `Thee , He said, " Well lit up, it would be an enchanting P eeto ell by Hie Itleigethoutirfor-obdwevel:eti.l night : all the statuary and plants would show off e- 13 : 1 1ht sioo Building into rap, ' well ; it would be most perfect; it would become 8111 lie a almost. I only wish you would let me have it tol o li , You would see how I should light it."- ball in aid of the funds of the charities of the ett in ter ) S e (Laugb dfiooie d ' we must not only have the building new-roofed an pro' but illuminated also! r y t , e a b g e ar m a t e n d e bya covered a e ddr casinoi drive, He repeated, then, that it Was to ti posed to turn the building into a hall-roolO , I , l .ootee 1 , 1 but by no means least, it was, that-it wasi g t alle on the only day when the working classes of the metropolis , eoY d te Wai te to themselves , it was proposed to be converted l° s o los' a gallery of churches, in which persons of all t1e . 1 .40,0n; tions could find an appropriate place of worsh i g . e a . , , tinned laughter.) In a very able speech wal l rele e e a days ago in favour of the retention of the Cryel te tsiov it was propounded that if the building were to be t here' it might be opened to the people on a Sandell owe by breaking d own th e rules which hadohitherto beel' ha t on tamed to close our public buildings and institutions; 'L. a nd condition that the Liturgy should be read in one co have every class of Diss en t ers i s th e metropolis should, nfesot appropriate place in another corner. This was an Itinhere view of the que s ti on , an d b e begged Honourable ol o v e d 00 to make up th e i r m i n d s w h e ther it WAS to be oP__.° ten ded Sunday or not. if it be shut, then he argued and ail; , o es that they closed it upon the only day when llyde'Pe rt the to be seen hbe open to the working classes. If it were Which • Sunday, they took the first step, and it was_ n a to atep . witt4 might call a stride, towards int rl °dtte t i gBu i nday t . ilisll7;l 3 l l 4l the continental method of span g importance of that ateP'• 'net not magnify too much the Bite in Hyde-park was - said, therefore, that the PK' ling the working classes of this cou etog efficacious for benett . ytu - he e xperience of those who knew so , tbe and he put it to t d habits of the working classee . .e` eo ail of ,the localities an me tropolis,whether d Park they really suburbs of the wa and pleasure-grounds of Hit themselves of the da ? The-lion ea on any day except o un y e-tion. Member for eToo doll had said very truly that the working population 0 1 ri l i e on e d from early on Monday morning till a ril/ were caged Saturday ni ght. What chance had they of toiling t We be and in le throug h all the miles of hot, dusty streets between o? -e• t h e e xtreme west end of London in search of pless uiv to she they were to retain the Crystal Palace, with refererto e . oo of grat ifi ca tion of the lords and ladi es i n h a bi t i n g the retelleot T y b ur nia and Belgravia, Hyd e -p ar k wou ld be an '"" site. But he estimated far above the advantage of r_e t a L s eesi a, p u blic place of amusement f or th e upper an d middle eat to the necessity of providing som e means o f e ntertainl n eero .) the hard-toiling artisans of the metropolis.-(, Ch ot etro; Great efforts had been made to induce the public of o c c - s etsi polis to believe, that between the the - r se retention o t he re ealace on its present site and its total destruction 1 "'" te' Ina no middle course.-(Hear, hear.) This was A 10 09t d , he el rial departure from the truth. Whilst -be bee;ooe to considering this question he had naturally been ano - h i o to discover what site wo u ld b e mo re • itec eete- Dia s ' the working classes on half-holidays and summer evveeatoot The first element in suc h a consideration wee cf li transit. What facility did Hyde-park afford to the boat population of th e su b ur b s ? Th e di s tance by otc n T no tes; from Lambeth -stairs to Battersea was Pet 16 T o le 3 " ,2 from Blackfriars 34 minutes ; fromSouthw sad minutes ; from London-bridge 40 minutes 0; poi ' from the Thames. tunnel, 50 minutes. Tb!, e ,, to tions contained . inside and surrounding ,sf.'i on immense proportion of the working politler Do cket the metropolie.-( Hear, hear.) If they took tr & alto Limehouse, Deptford, and Woolwich, he would 'flint j are u ses immediately contiguous to the river would not 11, P' cle _ p ark than eleoY or ful and acceptable to the working classes . „peen t -(Cheers.) As a proof of how great was We r stesol" - tel e traffic on the river, he might mention that one 155 t Seat company carried between London-bridge end " raigbt w ade six millions of poesengers.-(Hear, h eart a be h t also allude to th e new p arks about t tboug in other parts of the metropolis, and a i to fit the th a t the money t hat would be require d more °Wel" tal Palace for permanency might be Crys tiona - for " tageously exnded in providing attrae . tio .49 classes their Amu rteigilbortriwolt They opt pv.