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bounden duty to oppose the pill in every stage of, its progress. The Marquis of LAi4aDOWNE argued in favour . or , the Bil!, ant in support of the claims of M r . Palmer, and insisted that it was only on a view of the mere justice of the case, and not upon any collateral pins connected with the extent of the' grant; as adverted by theNoble,Earl ; their Lord ships had to decide. The Earl of LIUDERDALE, with great force and -ability, and at much length, supported the argu-- ments of the Earl of liarrowby, and- contended that the claims, r.s now%advanced by Mr. Palmer, 'were entirely unfounded. No onereorda feel more' for the financial state of the country than. himself; but tint consirteration, in the present case, had no weight with i im.. He could 'not avoid notic ing, however, that want of discrimination and consisteng, in the Commons,- whO had voted such enormous sums to Mr. Palmer, and had thought _ _ proper to rtulard a cotintryma❑ of his own Mr: Campbell), who'had invented machinery for the -a improvement of the manufactory of muslin, so as to give employment to more than 70,00 Q men, and added three hundred and eighty thousand pounds per ann. to the Revenue, with the coin paratively trifling-sum 50001... The Noble Earl 'Wetted copiously to the evidence before the • ihnlic; and contended it appeared therefrom, that by tie arrangements made by Mr. Pitt with Mr. Palmer, belvas by rio means entitled to what he ow claiined, - Neither was the increase of the 3=07; t Revem:cs,whieh had since accrued, , to be t ributed to the operation ofidr.Palmer's plan;a • rii - tv or causes contributed, such as increasing rates ofpostage, ciiivinution of the privilegeof franking, and not a little .to th egreat increase of the.coun try baks, in 1784, did not exceed fifty, but were noW dpwards of eight hundred ; nothink; of these'sources of increase was attribut able to Mr. Palmee's plan. With . .rOpect to the dismissal of Mr.' Palmer : he also sitipported the argument of the Noble Earl, that it had become necessary from his great misconduct ; in illustra tion of which, he referred to the documents, par• ticularly to the afliclavit orMr. White, and from which he contt4,-aded, it "appeared that the Gentle-. man in question had endeavoured' to excite con-. fusion and. disorder, in that department, that he raighi: throw the blame of it on the then worthy Postmaster-General. . In concluding, the Noble solemnly declared, that though the natural 'turn of his mind would leazi' him to favour the in dividual claiming, yet he felt it a matter of impe ratve public duty to resist the claim in question, as the most unfonnded that was ever brought be fora a House of Parliament. The Earl of - QARNARVON contended, that, though the claiTs of Mr. Palmer were such •as could not be supported in au action at law, yet he had a fair demand upon the justice -of the country for an invention, by which the public hadbenefit ed, and were continuing to benefit up to this mo nient,. The real question before their Lordships was, whether they would break faith on a-virtual contract, or pay their just_debts. Lord WAIAINGRAM opposed the motion—and defied any one to' produce an: instance in which Mr. Palmer's authority, 'while in office, was. con trolled. lie allowed-that the plan had great , hut thought the claim -to any additional reinune4 ration fo;feitedby his misconduct. • . Lord Viscount MOUNTJOY •cxpressed in favour of Mr.. Palmer's Claim, principally up on the ground , th'at the Government could not have derived the additionaLtaxes from that source,' but for the excellence and the success of that Gentle man's improvement.. Lord ERsKiF. maintained that the Resolution - voted by the Housi of Commons, Went upon the pound that the individual ,alluded to had a claim uy.on the justice and the purse of the country,— Mr. Pelmer's conduct, though it might justify his remoital from office, could not,' in bis opinion, extinguish his right to the per centage. The:LORD CHANCELLOR warned the House of the consequences of giving into a, demand at laSt, Which had- been repeatedly, refused Lr the twenty Years preceding. After Some arguments in oppo-' sitton to the legal claim, and in denial of the al leged contract, he declared his intention ofoppos ing the second reading, and liringing,forwal•d some propositions in'luture stages of the Bill. Lord 11.r. - zsDALE denied the existence of such a contract as was contended for: It was not even asserted, in the preamble of the bill, and thetes titnony as the conduct of Mr. Pitt, appear ed so'him to remove all ground from such an as= sumption. Tbe:Earl of LivtitrooL resisted the motion on the ground that there no distinct agreement with Mr. Palmer, and that even if there was, his con duct was such 2.s to justify the refusal of any fur-. ther remuneration than: he. had already received. --;LThe passing of °:elie bill would, he conceived, be setting the worst' possible examyle to public servants. Tile Earl of MoIRA ''replied, after which the 1-douse exitents , n 7 Nou-Contents - Mjiarity iu favour of tbe second Tile bill was then read a second time. • Tite Earl of RPOOL, moved the seco,nctread of•the•t'oxcise Duty Bill. • 'file Dukf of Nc.,,arotA: opposed the tax on Lea tiltyr iucluded in tho Bill, on the general ground or the i nipat icy of ta'ing he rft4', material of any mar •r.ufacture. The 1 . .1r1 of SUFFOI.K, adverting to the bad mtlde 'of collecting the Income Tax, contended, that if clue strictness were used in that respect, the duties at present p±oposed would be rendered linnecessary. The Earl of 14;VERPOOL defended the Taxes in cluded in the Eili before the House,, as the best which, under tie existing circumstances of the country, -could be. devised. With respect to the • particniar Di.lty on Leather, the Committee would be the proper stage of the Bill in which to oppose the. Clause iii which it was contained. Earl FITZW ILLIAM observed, that from all he, had heared'on the subject, he was satisfied that the proposed additional duty on hides and skins would be very injurious to the community at large, as well as tothOse who were cap ged hi the nia nufaeture of leather. , Earl LALTDPATDALE iuquired whether it was the intebt,,ion .f Government to Fopcse any couster vailin duty on.bizies and skins in Ireland, in Order to plt the rnanufactored article of the tn,7o cowl- tries on a level in the market ? , . The Earl of LIVERPOOL professed hiniseif un able to see the necessity of such a proCet•tlillg. Earl. LAu-ecnnALt declared, that unit-ss some measure of that nature were resorted to, tilt ma n'ufactu're of leather in this couritry would be. Ma terially injured. The Bill was then read a second time, and or d.dred to be committed to-morrow, The nous'e having resolved itself into a Coin- Inittee on the Court of Chancery and Appeals'Re gulation Bill, - Earl LAUDERDALE made a variety of objections to the'Bill; - and - oh - served, that the mock of exa mining witnesses in the COmmittce of their Lord , s'hips in which the Bill originated, was farcical and defusive Lord R6F.SDALE expressed his surprise, that the Noble,Eqrl, who had himself been a Member of the Comthittee to which he alluded, had not in that Committee stated his objections to the report. _ _ Earl LAUDERDALE declared that he had strongly objecte4to the report. - Lord II cit.i,Akr, corroborated the statement made by hiS NobleFrierid. On the only day on which he had attended the COnimittee, he had heard his Noble Friend "strenuously object to •several . pas= sages in the Report. , The LORD CHANCELLOR observed;-that let the exertions of any "man be what they might', their Lordships bad better at once tell the Appellanti at their Bar, that their:Appeals could not be heard in the' next Session ; or induce them to give UP their estates, unless it were determined:to sepa rate the situations of Lord Chancellor and Speaker of that House. LordEnsKINE expressed himself to be decided ly cf the same The Bill then pa,sed threligh the Committee.. The various ilk ,an the table were then. for warded in their respective stages, and the House adjourned. lOTISE OF CM : ENIONS, MONDAY. 'Mr. BATIMVST took the oaths and his seat. Mr. WrzAßToNlirought up an Estimate of the Sums re:;%iled for the erection of the New Mint. , Ordered of lie on the table. It was ordered that the House.should to-mor row resolve itself into a Committee on the Trade to .the Isle of Man. Mr. WINCHESTER, from the Post-office, pre sented Accounts of the Sums of Money r-,xeived, as Cabin MOney,fram persons leaving the Coun try in his Majesty's packets. Ordered to. lie on the . tahle. The' East India 'troops Bill, and the Lottery Bill, *ere read a third time and passed. The Report of the Starch Bill was bropgbt up and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. The Scotch Taxes Bill and Stone Bottles 'May Bill were read a second time, and, committed for to-morrow. Mr;BROUGIIA7t2 wished to ask the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequeq, if he had made up his mind with respect .to, the prayer of the Danish Claimants ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, in-, quiries on ' the subject were still, going on; and therefore he could not make up his mind at • present: • Lord Viscqunt JoCELYN appeared at the Bar, with an Ans*er from the Prince Regent to an Address of the House, in which his Royal High ness stated himself to have ordered Accounts of the Sums expended on the Buildings and Im provements in Mary-le-bone Park, to be laid be fore the -House. On the Report of the East India . Loan Bill being • brought up, Mr, CiEVEY gave notice, that he would • to-morrow move certain Resolu tions respecting the Finances of the . East India Company. The Report was then agreed to, and the pin ordered to be read a third .time to morrow. . Mr. if.. SUMNER brought up a Report. of the PioCeedirigs entered on the Lords .Tournal, on the Manure Carriage Bill. He then brought. in 4 Bill to explain, the Exemptions from Toll, 'or dained by several Acts 'of Pialiament to be al lowed to Carriages used for Carrying Manure. The Bill was read a. first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. The Irish Stamp Duty Bill was read a third time and passed . .., Mr. P. COKE presented a Petition in favour of the "Frame-work Knitters Bill: Tile Bill, was or deredlb,be committed to-Morrow, Sir W. 'Cuntris moved, the further 'considera tion, of the Report of the London Prisons •Bill. Mr. H, SUNNER disapproved of the principle of the Bill, from the ineyylity ,of, its operations. He thought 'the . City of London ought not to make such an application to Parliament, without shcwing that they . had no fund of, their own ca - - pable of meeting the charges of the propos'ed building, - ; After a variety of observAions on the injustice and inexpediency of the measure, he concluded by moving, as an amendment, that tire Report should be further taken into consideration on that day three Months. Sir W. CURTIS defended the measure, and con . tended that there was no impropriety in the ap plication made to , Parliament on, this occasion' by : thy City . of London;. He trusted the House would approve !if the measure, and that the Report would be then received. After a few' fUrther observations, from ,Mr. Sunnier, Sir C. Price, Mr. R. Thornton, Mr. Al derman Combe, and Sir James Shaw, , • The House diviiled, when we understood . the numbers were— For the Amendment Against it Majority in favour of the Bill -2R The Bill was ordered to be read a third time. On a motion for taking into further considera tion tfie Report of the Moodields Improvement Bill— , Mr. H. S 'LIMNER opposed the Report. The City of London, be thought, acted :very inconsiitently with respect to .Moorfields, The ground there had been granted to the City on condition th'at tutu should not build on it. had, however built on the cuter Moor .without=gaying a=ward, artd now they came to Parliament to gain its sanc tion to them to inelbse and build Upon the Only open piece of ground rempitling in the City. Sir W. • CURTIS defended ' • - The CHAiccElioa of ExcnEcaura-thought the proposed improvement:s very desiralyle The Iteport Was then 'agreed- to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-Morrow. and to be 'engrossed. Mr. 'J. lERNEY moved for returns of the income of, and charges upon, the Consolidated Fund, from July,.lSll i to duly 1812; diistinguishing the in come and charge of each quarter: GinnY brought up 'a Report from the Committee appointed to inquire into the mate of Lincoln gaol. • As they found it imposibie, in this the first stage of the itiquiry, proceed with the investigation, without having persons brought up to be examined befOre them, who Were now prisoners at - Lincoln, though the power of the House to bring up any persons so confined was undoubted, yet the Committee, submitted to the House that great inconvenience might result from bringing prisoners some of whOin were in' eon= finement for criminal offences; and others for debt that yuch a proceeding must be attended with con-. siderable expense. The Assizes would shortly be bolded at 'Lincoln,, when it would be very .incOn venient for some of those persons to attend, whom it would be necessary the c l othaiittee - shotild exa 7 'mine. Under these circumstances they recoin mended it to the House. to discharge them front 'a fiirther prosecution of their duties at present, or to devise such other modes of carrying on the tliiry •as the House' in - its 'wisdom might decm proper. . rine question was then put that this Report do lie ou the, table.' Mr. DAvis GIDDY then intimated an intention of moving an Address to the, Prince Regent, praying that he would be graciously pleased to send down a Commission to proceed with the in vestigation. Some conversation followed; in "which Mr. Abercromby,, Sir S. Hon illy, *Mr. Ellison, and Mr. - .Brougham participated. Mr: H; Sum NRR was entering into 4 repetition' 'of his previous statements, when The SPEAI i R reminded " the Honourable Mem ber of the irregularity, 'and the necessity of ab staining from further details on the subject, pend ing inquiry. The Report was then ordered to lie on the table. 'On the motion of Mr. D. GronY, an Address was agreed to be presented ,to his Royal High ness the Prince Regent, praying that he would be graciously pleased' to direct that a Commission should be issued to inquire into what has been 'and now is the condition and treatment of pri soners in Lincoln Castle. • ISLAND OF JERSEY. • Mr. ABERCROMBIE rose to, move fora. Copy of the Report of the Commissioners appointed"to in quire into the mode of electing Jurats in the Island of Jersey. Th e Elonourable' and Learned Gentleman stated at some length the nature and constitution of the jurisprudence of the Island, and the alarm which the inhabitants felt in-con, sequence of the COmmission which 'it was ap , .prehended.Was intended to bring the Constitution back to that state in which it was moulded by Icing John. , 'The Island, he observed, is under -the controul of a Governor, Deputy Governor, or Lieutenant Bailiff,Who presides over all the Jurats. The Assembly consists of twelVeJurats elected for life from among the Most 'respectable persons pay ing poor's4ates and taxes.' ' The population of the Island is about t‘venty-five thousand, consisting of twelve parishes, the twelve Clergymen being nominated',by the Craivn,' , and twelve Constables. Two of rh'e',se JUrais, with the Bailiff presiding, administer the lawsof -the Island, and from tlreir decision an appeal lie§ to ~the Privy CoUncilr With the Constitution thus formed, the people are sa tisfied, and-do not wish for any alteration. Ire understood there was an objection to lay the cor respondence upon which the Commission was founded on the, table, bfit he thought it was 'cqui, table the people Should know on what ground they were to be deprived cif their Constitution. He thf'-efore moved, tic. )Ir. RY DER admitted that for three or four years representations had been M a d e t o hi s Najesty's, Government on the subject of the present Consti tution of the Island. :Those were repeated, -and it was 'absolutely necessary. to make some impor tant alterations in the laws. 14 consbquence of those intimations, Government interfered, and the commission alluded to was issued with autho . :- rity to,procced to, the island to obtain full knotv ledge of the laws which were now in existence, and also those'which • had hefetofore existed.— The report of these Commissioners . h had been' Made, but on that report at present,, no proceedings were had, consequently the House would not desire information upon a matter which' was-sub judice as yet. If his Majesty's present Government were to make :laivs - for the' 'Colonies (which was un doubtedly the prerogative of: the Crown), it cer tainly,w.as consistent in the. House to ask for the documeats upon which- those laws .were grounded, and if they" had exceeded their powers in Making arbitrary laws, then Parliament _might call them to' :recount. The motion waspremature, and made before any steps were taken by. his Majesty's pre sent Government, and therefore: it would have come with a better grace if the Hon. and Learned Gentleman .had waited until some alterations were made. Sir S. ROMILLY thought the inhabitants had the first right of.inqUiring why they were to be deprived of their Constitution ? • He thought also that the people of England, ; who-paid for the Commission, should' he' satisfied. The inhabi tants of 'Jersey wished no alteration. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman stated some circum stances with which he .was acqnainted- relative to certain Appeals made against the election of two Jtirats, Which he Supposed. was the ground of the Comthission. Lord CASTLEREAGH-agreed with his Right Ho nourable Friend, that no grouuds had been laid to induce the interference of Parliament. file Hon. and Learned Gentleman had contended, that because Parliament voted 'money to pay the expenses of the commission, that therefore it was right the grounds of inquiry should be laid before the House. As well miatTarliament demand to 1 know, because they 'voted a supply, anti paid the Army, what - instructions were given to such. and such General Officers. Thl.! Privy Council bad dune no more than inqui::e into :ftlieged abuses, and until sothe 'measure wits taken . ou the report of the Cuimpissioners, it would be premature to to lay the documents, on which they proceeded he' fore Parliament. Mr. - WHITBREAD' was for the production of the Papers, as the _House could not be jedges Di the steps necgssaryAo be taken to correct the abuses which the Noble Lord admitted were in 'exist &nee. It was necessary they should be produeed to satisfy the inhabitants of the. Island, who were greatly alarmed at the apprehended innovation of their laws: Mr. As r.II:3 . ;ZOMBIE replied, and then the notion was-negatiVed. On the motion of the. CHANCELLOR of the E:- CIrEQUER, an Account of the Net produce of the Permanent Taxes, and the War Takes, fOr tha last three yearE., ending the sth'ofiluly, 1812; was ordered to be laid,before.the House: The Lodal Militia Amendment Bill was rcad4 third time and Passed. ' •Mr. GOULBORN brought up the Report of the -Committee of Supply. • • Dri the inotion for 'granting a sum Qf 30,0001. towards the ereetion.of a l i enitentiary House, Sir SAMTIT.T. ROINIILLY was not disposed to Ol' 'posy ,the grant ;. but, he thought.. the estimate experice„,about 260,000/, was enormous, and re:- gretted so large a suin should be required. Mr. HOLFoito explained that the estiinate wai large in consequence of the increased price:in the materials.. , Mr. WHITBREAD hoped, that when the building was complete, it would o b v iate th e necessity . Of sending convicts to a distant colony, and conse quently the expense would not be then so much felt. This Resolution, and two others for granting sum of 10(1,0001. in aid, of Queen Anne's. Bounty, and of 23,000/. for-the African Coast Government, were agreed to. The other Order's of the day were deferred, and then the House adjourned. - • sasesos.ral MAILS. Annivr.n-1 Guerniey, 1 JerSey, 2 Aublin, 3 Waterford. Due.-1 Cadiz, 1 Lisbon. ~, Pit ICE OF STOCKS • , , THIS DAY AT TWELVE O'CLOCK. Conicii 5.514 ex. div. I Red. Aim.,...5q 1 Omitium.. ii Pr: ~... r4 I T[RW' 7 - T7N I T _y A ,) • SOLEM QUIS i'ACERE AUDEA'r ? LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 7, 1812. • We feel deep regret hi the necessity of inform ing our readers ) that a Very alarming shock affected his • MAJESTY yesterday than-lino:, 'whic h for same time was attended with the loss of speecli: The PrIN - cE REGENT being apprised of this state of his Royal Father, immediately left town for Windsor.' The Duke Of CAMIIRIDGE, and some of his Royal Brothers also hastened to Windsor from the same dutiful and affectionate impulse. nig MAJESTY was somewhat better in the course of the day, but remained in a state which excited much agitation and alarm. In Consequence of this dis: tressing event, the PRINCE - REGENT'S Levee , which was to have taken place-this clay, is post poned. The report of this morning fr6m Windsor stated.., that his MAJESTY was rather better. The Pirsc s REGENT, who returned last night, again left tosvo this morning. This morning an Anholt Mail arrived, frog which we have made the following very interest- ini'extricts OREBRO, JUNE 24.—A Courier has just arriyea with the news of *Peace having been concludea between the Russians and Turks : one of tlie ar" tides is, that,should Austria attack the Russians! the Turks are to send an auxiliary corps of 50,0 0 t"-' men to the assistance of Russia. The same Cot rier bring orders for General VCHTELEN to settle• all differences between Ru - ssia and Great Bvitai¢ • . with Mr. THORN TON, and to reque.,t England-' assist Sweden as much as in her power. EXTRACT OF A LETTER-FROM- COPENHAGEN, 10. The Swedish 6azette contains a proposition froth his Majesty to the States of the Kingdo . ill in which the King reminds them, that by the vice of the States, he had allowed the liberty L. the Press, in the hope that salutary effectswou- 1 4 have resulted from it, but that authors had.hee 4 , guilty Of enormous excesses, which it was upcP*". sary to repress.' EXTRACT' FROM -TAB BERLIN GAZETTE. TREATY OF ALLIANCE CONCIATDE.D THE 24TH Fi"_ BETWEEN HIS • MAJESTY THE KING OF PRUSSIA AND HIS MAJESTY THE EMPEROR OF THS: FRENCH, KING OF ITALy', &c. C. &c. AND RA', VI,FIED AT BERLIN' THE STH MARCH, 1812. " His 'Majesty the 'King of PruSSia; and leis _Majesty the Emperor of the French, Kir)g - of Italy, Protector 'of the Confederation of the Rhine, Mediator of the Swiss Confederationy&e• &c. wishing to bind more closely the ties which unite them, have . - named for their Pleni potentiaries,.. namely .his ;Majesty the - King, of FilVislA.; Mr. FRINDERICX. WILLIAM -LOUIS