The Sun. — London, England, 1837-03-14 00:00:00

SECOND EDITION. SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. THE LONDON GAZETTE THIS EVENING. ERRATUM in the Gazette of the 10th instant. For the order in which the names of the East India Company's Officers appointed to be Knights Commanders of the Most Honour able Military Order of the Bath are placed, read those names in the order following : Major-General James Lillyman Caldwell, Major - General Alexander Caldwell, Major-General David Leighton, Major-General Charles Deacon, Major-General James Russell, Major-General Sir Joseph O'Halloran, Knight„ Major-General Robert Houstoun, Major-General Robert Stevenson, Major-General William Casemerit, Major-General James Law Lushington. OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, MARcii 10. Royal Regiment of Artillery—Second Captain H. R. Wright to be A,ijutant, vice Robertson, promoted, April 27; Second Lieu tenant E. Wodehouse to be First Lieutenant, vice Hinchliffe, de ceased, Feb. 22. FOREIGN OFFICE, MARCH 14. The King has been graciously pleased to appoir.t John Rice Crowe, Esq., to be his Majesty's Consul for the province of Fin marken in Norway, to reside at Hamerfest. The King has also been graciously pleased to appoint Henry Sarell Ongley, Esq., to be his Majesty's Consul in the island of Cantlia. . WHITEHALL, MARcii 13. The King has been pleased to order a eonge d'elire to the Dean and Chapter of the Cathedral Church of Salisbury, empowering them to elect a Bishop of that See, now void by the death of Dr. Tle.mas Burgess, late Bishop thereof ; and His Majesty has also been pleased to recommend to the said Dean and Chapter, the Reverend Edward Denison, Clerk, M.A., to be by them elected Bishop of the said See. DECLARATIONS OF INSOLVENCY. ROBERT KNOWLES, warehouseman, Trump-street, City BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED. JAMES NEWTON, linen-draper, Leicester-Nuare. BANKRUPTS. WILLIAM COATES WOOD, anchorsmith, Dean-street, Lower Shadwell, to surrender March 23, at half-past twelve, and April 2:5, at ene, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Abbott, official assignee ; Thomson and Hewitt, Great James-street, Bedford-row. ROUTLEDGE, hotel-keeper, Kid. -street, Cheap side, March 21 and April 25, at twielve, at the Court of Bank rtipt;y. Pennell, official assignee ; Fisher, Waibrook. ROOBERT SEARS, engraver, Paternoster-row, March 21, and April 25, at ewAve, at the Court of Bankruptcy, Pennell, Ansigoee ; Fisher, Wallwook, City. JAMES RICE, saddler, Woodbridge, March 21, at half-past ten, and April 25, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Ca naan, Sambrook-court, Basinghail-street, ofilcial assignee; Reilly, Clement's Inn. CHARLES DOWSE. innkeeper, Northampton, March 31131 and April 25, at eleven, at the Gccrze Inn. Broughton, Peter lorotgh ; Tilsons and Co., London. JOSEPH GARNER, innkeeper, Dunchurch, Warwickshire, March 29 and 30, and April 25, at the Craven Arms Hotel, Covent, y. Cox, Lincoln's-Inn-Fields, London ; Wilmq,Coventry. ROBERT SEARS, engraver, Paternoster-row, Al arch 2.5, at one, and April 2.5, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Gold mid, Ironmonger-lane, official assignee; Wood and Ellis, Ct.rbet ewrt, Grace(Aturcb-street. _ _ _ LOUIS ENGLAND, builder, Shepperton-street, New North teat!. March 21, at one, and April 25, at twelve, at the Court of ls a nk..uptcy. Edwards, Pancras-lane, official assignee ; Boulton, Northa[epton-square, WILL ‘.l M PILLING, cammon-brewer, Littlo Dolton, Lan east. r, March 25. at twelve, and April 25, at too, at she Commis sio..er;'-rooms, Manchester. Adiiugton, Gregory, Faulkner, and Iledford- row. London ; Lees, Manchester. 11A MILTON, merchant, Lancaster, March 30, and 25. at one, at the Ciareudon-rooms, Lives „no;. . Taylor, TUPner, Sharpe, and Field, Bedfor.l-row, London; Carson, pfet. Licrr- CIIARLES HICKS and WILLIAM HICKS, rnealrnen, Cl.ristelinrch, Southampton, March 29, at four, and April 25, at tv - o, at the Angel_ inn. Lyraingtors, llants. Scarlett, Chancer:,- rondos); Brown, Lyinrsgton. JOSEPH MOORE, flax-spinner, Leeds, March 21, and April f 2.5, ot eleven, at the Court-hots e, Leeds. Roper and Son, Gray's inn, 1 - --‘indon ; Dickinson. Leeds. r~i • : i~ Cft ARLES MARSHALL, 'tiAttaller, Kirtzston-nrcn-Fitili, aLe,,li 22, at o:e. and April 23, at eleven, at the Kingston Hotel, K rg,ton-upon-Hull; _ . - rows fIEADLEY. hcr,ier, Leicester, March 2:3, mill April 25, at to- . 0, at the White Ilat t Hotel, Leicester. Leicester; Dynekv, CoverJale, and Lee, Grly's Inn-square, London., .11../SEPH BETTIUDGE, siversmith, Birmingham, March 22. and Apr:! 25, a• .one, at ti - r! !loyal !Intel, Birmingham. .Anqin and Hobson, .I:ay:wind-bald:up, Gray's Ina; Palmer and Birmingham. CHARLES MEREFIELD, gro2er, Bristol, 'Marell 23, and Apra 25, at two, at tie Commercial Booms, Bristol. Whito and 1 .1/114.116re. Bedford-row; Bevan awl Britian, Bristol. , sOtlN WOODHAM S,victuallcr, Gange-road. Bermond sey. March '2l, at twelve, and April -15, at eleven, at the Court .f Bankruptcy. Canaan, Sambraok-coart, Basinghall-street, offlrial zAsignee ; Caney, Smith, Hunter, awl Gwatkin, Lin inn. it-); E PEI KING, Liverpool-street, plurnter, March 22, at live, and April 25, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, 134singhall-street l oalcial assignee ; Maltby, Old Broad-street. COURSE OF EXCHANGE.-( THIS DAL ) A r- - ••r:!u4. ..i • .i. 12 5 .it sight "ti, •' i; 1.2 5!4 1 Aria , tiav ll to tti 10 1 0 5 r Verme • M.B.i 13 ; ap,ei la 1 3 i Pairrrno pwr nz. ;41)t 2.5 11 w ................ 52 —.2 Us 25 410 ! .......... ................. 52 2'4 26 .... ,, ei !e.i. 67.ih,:fort ii;4 Mxtis, Ex. Ai. 153 , Hahia Ve.ter, , A...igh, cubit: ..... ..1 Us. 10 0 1 Li'itenos Ayres . .1.: , ..r1ti: . 7 "1 ; l'uldin, 21 ~12)4'sizh:. Vitr,...„ effective t1......2 M. 10 Irt 1 Cork ll4 l'i,st. , ...—..iiitin ........... ...... 10 19 &Ilion. , 3.5 , I PIIICE OF BULLION, PFR OZ. Cadiz... liiitioa .... : 1 5 Foreign Gold, in liars 1 17 9 ItureeLisia ' , A : New Doubloons ...„. ....... 0 0 0 Si,ilii. ln New Dollars 411:ir.i7tr ...:... 4B ;Sitvcr. bars. standard 0 0 0 I MPER AL PARLIAMENT, (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Tke LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Siru,Asack, at Five O'clock. CHLTRCII-RATES. Lord KENYON presented a petition from Crawley, in Kent, against the abolition of Church-rates. A Right Rev. PRELATE presented a petition from Welsh pool, and several places in Merioneth, to the same effect. He stated that some of them were signed by Dissenters and by Roman Catholics. The Duke of WELLINGTON presented similar peti ticras from Weston, from Mitcham, Milton, Nether Stowey, Wellington, and a number of other places ; he also presented a petition from Newcastle-upon-Tyne, complaining of the pro visions of the Corporation Act. Lord TEYNHAM presented a petition in favour of Vote by Ballot, and one from Llanclly, against the Poor Law Amendment Act. The Bishop of LL ANDAFF presented a petition from Abcrgavenny, praying that their Lordships would not pass a measure for the abolition of Church -rates, without a substi tution of a fund out of the national resources ; he also pre sented a petition from Newchurch, in Monmouthshire, and from several places in Wales, in favour of Church-rates. The Earl of RIPON presented petitions from Pet worth, in Bedfordshire, and other places, against the aboli tion of Church-rates. He then said, that as he did not sec the Noble Lord (Lord Glenelg) the Secretary for the Colo nies in his place, he would give notice that on Thursday next, he would ask a question from the Noble Lord as to the cosine Government intended to pursue as to the mode in which the subject of the affairs of Canada would be brought under the coosideraion of the House ; and also fer an account of the ex penses of the Commissioners which had been appointed. The Duke of BUCCLEUGH presented a petition from Kettering, in Northamptonshire, against Church-rates. The Duke of WELLINGTON said that the second reading of a Bill introduced by the Noble Lord opposite, in reference to the statutes of the University of Oxford, had been fixed for Tuesday next, and he wished to know if there was any objection that it should be postponed till after Easter. Lord LYNDHURST said he had already requested the Noble Lord to postpone it, but he had not said he would. It would be impossible for him (Lord L.) to attend unless it vr s .ve postponed. l'he Duke of WELLINGTON believed an application had b een made by his Noble Friend the Chancellor of Cam bridge to have the second reading of the Bill postponed. The reat:on why he (the Noble Duke) wished the second read ing to be.' postponed was, that it was always usual on sub jerts of this ,sort to consult the views of those whom the measure was likely to affect, and he had had no opportunity whatever of consulting th'e Universities of Oxford or Cambridge on the subject. He hail received the Bill yesterday evening, but bad not had time to ex change opinions with the Univers i ti es . A few days ought, thOrefore, to be given to afford the opportu nity to the Universities to consider, whether they would take any means that might iv calculated to induce their Lordships to come to a conclusion an the question one way or other. Lord MELBOURNE said that the Bill did not affect the Universities, as Universities, at all ; but only affected the sepa rate Halls of the College!. He had sent a copy of the Bill to the different Colleges, but as there seemed to be this desire for delay, he wished to know what day the Noble Duke would name. The Duke of WELLINGTON did not know when it was p r , dosed that the House should adjourn. Lord MELBOURNE believed that it usually adjourned from the Thursday to the following Nlonday week. E ar l SHAFTESBURY said that the House of Commons usually adjourned from the Thursday to the following Monday week, but that this House usual!) , adjourned on the Tuesday till the following Monday week. • The Duke of WELLINGTON would, then, propose that the semnd reading should stand fcr Friday the 7th of April. The Bishop of LLANDAFF hoped that it would he po = •tpcned to Tuesday the Ilth of April. Lard RA DNOR said that if he did consent t a its being waled to Tuesday the I Ith of April, he hoped the Right R oy. Prelate would give the measure his support. The i3isl:op of LLANDAFF said that he cculd a , sure the N o bl e Lord be could not give it the slightest support. It w „ then fixed that the second reading should Ltand for Tuesday, '1 Ith of April. Lord LYNDHURST presented petitions from Haselmere, Exilingley, East Gilbert, Woodbridge, Ipswich, Lostwithiel, Northampton, and several cther places, against the abolition of Church-rates. The Noble Lord said that the petition which he had presented from Northampton was from the town cf Northampton, and he understood that a contrary petition had been presented from the Corporation of Northampton, and which had been carried by onlo a majority of three of the Councillors. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from Cashel, stating the great abuses that existed in the corporations in Ire land, and earnestly praying their Lordships to take the speediest and most effectual means of thoroughly renovating those Corporations by passing the Irish Municipal Corporation Bill, now under the consideration of the Legislatare. The petitioners also prayed their Lordships' attention to the great grievances they laboured under in respect to the tithes of Ireland. They stated that in Cashel there were 6 parishes, the duties of which were done by two curates, who received a salary of about 250/. a-year, while there was Church property in land and tithes in those parishes amounting to 7,0001. a-year, to which they considered theirLornships' attention ought to be called. The petitionera stated that the whole force of the British empire could not eompel them to submit to a continuation of this sys , tens; therefore they prayed that while there was yet time their Lordships would accede to a settlement of the Tithes and the Municipal Corporations. The Noble and Learned Lord presented a petition from between 20 and 30 of most respec table surgeoxs of Armagh, complaining of difficulties they laboured under in consequence of degrees they bad taken from colleges, other than that of Trinity College, Dublin, by which they . were debarred of certain privileges—( Hear, hear) — and prayium their Lordships to give their sanction to some measure calculated to relieve them from those disabilitiecs The Noble and Learned Lord next presented a petition from the Royal Burgh of Dumbarton, praying their Lordships to puss the Irish Municipal Reform Bill as soon as it reached their Lordships' House. Also a petition from Dunkeld, in favour of the establishment of Small Debts Courts in Ireland. The Noble and Learned Lord then presented petitions from a great number of places, praying for the total aholition of Church-rates. Lord RADNOR. presented petitions from Peckham, Shad. well, Maldon, Croydon, Wellingwortli, Solihill, Bloomsbury Chapel, and about tvienty other places, praying for the aboli tion of Church-rates. Lord STRANG FORD presented petitions from Holycros. Bridgewater, and other places, against the abolition of Church. rates. Lord PORTMAN presented several petitions to the sane effcet. Lord REDESDA LE presented petitions from Gloucester, Wilts, Surrey, and other places, to the same effect. Lord BR °UGH AM said that perhaps there would be no objection on the part of their Lordships to pursue the same course in respect to the petitions presented for and against this measure as had been taken when the Reform Bill was d;s cussed ; alluded to the enumeration of petitions and signa tures to them which had been presented on the subject of Church rates, by referring them to the proper authorities, who would report the numbers to the House.—( Hear.) In respect to the number of petiticnl, lfe had no hesitation in stating that more had been presented against the abolition of Church-rates than in favour of it.—( Wear.) But it was not immaterial that they should know the number of signatures also.—( Hear, hear.) Lord LYNDHL7RST—Aud the amount of rates paid by each. Lerd BROUG Ii AN' said that it would Le cosy to have a report furnished of the number of petitions and sig natures, but it would be very diftiLult to procure the information alluded to by the Noble Lord; but as to the other subjects, he was sure that if the number of petitions against :he abolition of the rates was three or four times the amount of theta is in its `favour, yet he was certain that the signatures; in favour of abolition were fiaezu or twenty times the number of those Who had signed against the abolition of the Rates. AA NOBLE' LORD asked if the count! suggested had been allopted in that or in the other house ? Lord BIM UG H A M . —ln this House. The Bishop or HEREFORD said that this difference existed in the inture of the petitions presented for and against the abolition of Church Rates ; that whilst those in favour of abo- I itian were presented from separate congregations, six or seven of b-iog f,.equently in one town ; thole presented against abolition mere from separate towns, villages, and counties. Lord BROUGII AM said tli.tt what had been said by the , Right Rev. Prelate was in confirmation of his (Lora Brougham's) statemen!, and he was sore that the number of signatures in favour of abolition would Le found to greatly ex c,.--ed the othc.rs. Lord LYNDHURST Lned BROUGHAM said that there would be no difficulty io ms.iiing the cnuutcration, and he would merely mention oar nstanco in favour of what be stated—it was that one petition had b:•er, presented from Birmingham alone which had 19,000 signatures. - Lord Wil A RNCLI FFE presented a petition from a parish in Sussex, in favour of Cliurch-raies. The Marquis of LAN SDO WN E prevented a petition from the rate-payers in a parish in South Wiltshire, against Church-rates ;. it was signed by the majority if the signature; were these of rate- payets, and the cir cumstances connected - with the petition, proved that the Church under the present laws, was not in that state of accurity which some Noble Lords assumed, or which could be given to it. He denied that this security existed at pre sent, . a ralhe would further say that he would never consent to any measure, which would net render it more secure than it was.—( Hear, hear.) There was an illustration of its present insecure state, in the statement of the petitioners, that they the majority of. the rate-payers had for seven years successfully resisted the payment of rates for the maintenance of the Church. lie would not say whether they had acted properly or judiciously or not in resisting that payment, but he con sidered it to be his duty- to call the at ention of their Lordships to this fact, which proved in this one prish,— and the case was similar in many others—that where there was any disinclination on the part of the rate-payers to maintain the Church, it need not be maintained by them, and it was therefore a delusion to suppose there existed under the present laws that security 'for the maintenance of the Church, which ought to exist in every parish in the country, —( Hear, hear.) It was further stated in the petition that these circumstances had engendered party-feeling.; in the parish and it was to put an end to these contentioas arising from such a source that he desired some means to he adopted, but he would again say that 4e would not consent tp any measure, unless it would secure the maintenance of the Churches in every parish in the empire.—( Hear, and cheers.) THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, MARCH 14, 1837. rirr • CHURCH-RATES: The Bishep of EXETER presented petitions from Chor. ley, and other places in Devon, against the abolition of Church -rates, and in support of the Protestant Church. The Right Rev. Prelate was proud to say that every labourer in the parish of Chorley had joined with the clergyman of the parish in imploring their Lordships not to interfere witk their sacred rights. WILLS BILL. LORD LANGDALE brought up the report of the Com mittee on the Wills Bill ; and gave notice that he should move the third reading on Monday next. The LORD CHANCELLOR laid on the table two bills, one to amend the law relating to trial by jury in Scotland, and the other to authorise the Lord Chancellor to take affi davits in Ireland and Scotland. MUNICIPAL REFORM (ENGLAND.) Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from tile Cor poration of Leeds, praying the House to make certain alto. rations in the English Municipal Refcrm Bill. Mr. Crowther presented papers to m the Court of Exche quer in Ireland. Mr. Payne presented the Report of the Committee of the Milbank Pen2tentiary. Gardiner's Divorce Bill went through a Committee, and was reported. _ _ The other Bills on the table were advanced a stage, and the House adjourned till Thursday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. Mr. BAIL LIE appeared at the bar and presented the an nual Report of the Committee of Management of the Peniten tiary, Millbank._ CARDIFF IMPROVEMENT BILL. Mr. PALMER brought up the Report of the Committee on the Cardiff Improvement Bill, which was read a first time. GLASOONV AND AYR RAILWAY. Mr. DUNLOP presented a petition from Kilmarnock against the Glasgow and Ayr Railway Bill. Referred to the Committee. CONDUCT OF MEMBERS. Lord G. LENNOX bad been desired by the Brighton Railway Committee to state to the House that the Chair man had been instructed to call the attention of the House to a resolution of the 26th of March, 1830, which prohibited a Mem ber of that House being in partnership with an agent, and begged to give notice that he should to-morrow call the at tention of the House to the subject. LONDON AND DOVER RAILWAY. Sir W. GEARY presented a petition from Rochester against the London and Dover Railway Bill. SOUTH UNION RAILWAY. Mr. WILKS presented a petition from Manchester South Union Railway. MANCHESTER AND LEEDS RAILWAY. . _ Mr. GASKELL presented a petition against the Man chester and Leeds Railway. WESTMINSTER AND DEPTFORD• RAILWAY. Alderman WOOD presented a petition from the Directors of the Westminster Bridge and Deptford Railway, denying the allegations brought forward against them in a petition presented last week by the Member for Finsbury. He hoped the House would allow this petition to be printed and circulated with the votes. After a few words from Sir S. WHALLEY the petition was ordered to be brought up and printed. Mr. FORSTER presented a petition from the Borough of Walsal against the Manchester South Union Railway Bill. Mr. WALLACE presented two petitions in favour of the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway Bill ; also two petitions against the same Railway passing through Ayr, and a petition against the Edinburgh and Newhaven Harbour Bill. Mr. HALL presented a petition from the Cheltenham and Gloucester Railway Company against the Trine: line. WINFORT . H AND WOOL INCLOSURE. On the motion of Mr. 11. HUGHES, this Bill teas read a third time and passed. SOUTH WESTERN RAILWAY. Mr. MORRISON moved the seccnd reading of this Bill. Mr. WAR.BURTON said, that though gerierally friendly to Railways, he felt that there was a strong objection to this Bill, and an objection up n grounds the validity of which had already been distinctly acceded to by the house. ne House had refused to pass the second reading of a Bill for a branch Railroad proceeding from the Southampton Rail road to Portsmouth. The 'present was an application for a branch or communication Railroad, leading from the South ampton Railroad to one proceeding westward from Northamp ton. In the former instance of the Portsmouth and South ampton Railway, of the two termini, one was distinct, namely that of Portsmouth ; but as the Railroad was not yet com pleted, and as the other terminus was yet undefined, the House refused to agree to the second reading of the Bill. The same objection applied also to this Railway. He thought until the terminus was defined, it would be most unjust to proceed further with the Bill • he should therefore move that the second reading should take place that day six months. Mr. C. PE L HAM thought that those who opposed the Bill ought to allow it to go into Committee. Mr. POULTER thought that the argument that had been urged, that the Bill ought not to proceed further until the terminus was ascertained was extremely fallacious, inasmuch as such an objection would necessarily apply to the case of every Railway. The Southampton Railroad was certainly not yet com pleted, but any body that was aware of the large sum that had been paid for compensation, and the works that were com pleted and the works that were going on upon the most ex tensive scale down to the latest moment, could have no hesi tation in saying that line would be completed. There could be no reasonable doubt of that fact; and therefore it. might safely be considered as one of the termini.—( Hear.) The Exeter and Bristol Railroad was in the same situation ; and the objection which arose to the line by that Bill was, that the distance from Exeter to London would be 20 miles shorter than by the Great Western Railway. He hoped the House would not consider the present like the Portsmouth Junction Railway Bill, and would not allow it to be defeated in this stage. Sir ROBERT ING LIS said that on entering the House a paper was put into his hand the contents of which he would take the liberty of stating to the House—it con tained , this allegation :—" The Bill to which the motion refers is a Bill, in respect of which, out of a line of 87 miles, the assents are only three, and the dissentients 6, making a propor tion of I in 20." Therefore he would contend that private interests ought not to be sacrificed. But he would go farther and say, that unless a strong prima facie case were made out, the capital of the nation ought not to be sacrificed in the way proposed. It would be time enough to make this application when the ter mini were completed, and he should give his vote in support of the motion of the Hon. Member for Bridport.—( Hear. ) Mr. SANDFORD said ha had a petition to present signed by 250 owners and occupiers of land; all of whom were dissen tients from the Bill. He thought the objection of the Mem ber for Shaftesbury did not apply. That Hon. Gentleman had stated the case as an application to extend a line of railway, whereas the present was a new operation, and neither of the termini was as yet completed. He trusted the Bristol and Exeter Railroad would be completed, but as yet there was not more than ten or twelve miles of it even commenced, and when he was aware of the great amount of damage to the pro- • prietors of land to be done by the Railway then under con sideration, he thought it unfair to drive a large body of pro prietors to the ex pence and annoyance of going before a Committee to defend their interests. Mr. BE NETT thought the present railroad was one of great public importance, indeed none towards the south-western counties was of so much public benefit. The Southampton Rail way would shortly be in operation as far as Basingstoke, and this would connect with London the vast district beyond Southamp ton. The line would be of the greatest advantage to the agricul tural districts of Somerset, Dorset, Devon, &c., and he had the authority of that eminent engineer, Mr. Stevenson, for saying that it was the best line of railway he had ever been on. Now it had been asserted that there was no probability of the Southampton line being completed, but he had the assurance of the Engineers and Directors of that Company, that that line would be completed. It was absurd to object to a railway because it terminated in a line not yet completed, but it did not follow that the line i❑ which it terminated would not hereaftei be finished. He must complain of the system of papers being put into the hands of Hon. Members coming into that House, for the purpose of prejudicing their minis, and which con tained statements it was impossible to contradict, unless some Hon. Members aware of the facts took the trouble of doing so. He hoped that the statements in that paper were not true. There was a gross perversion of the facts relative to the number of assenting and dissentieet landowners, and as regarded the in terference of the line with pleasure grounds and private; roper ty. Another falsehood was, that the Southampton line was four years in progress, with no prospect of its being completed. Why the Bill had been only obtained on the .25tti July, 1334, two years and a half ago, although the paper stated that it was four years in progress. He hoped the system of putting such documents intothe hands of Hon. Members would be put a stop to. All that he asked was for an investigation before th., Com mittee, as he thought the adoption of that course was not only due to the public, but to the parties themselves. Mr. B. WALL opposed the Bill. Lord EBRINGTON had come down to the House to nip port the Bill, but unless the statement respecting the num ber of assents and dissents was contradicted, it was impossible for him to vote in favour of the Bill. If that statement were true they would be doing a great injustice to the proprietors of land along the line if the House agreed to pass the Bill. Captain BOLDER() saw no re‘v.son for rejecting this Bill on the second reading. With regard to the asserts and dis sents, if the statement were true the Committee was the proper place to inquire into it. He would" pledge himself in Com mittee, if he found that this Bill did injustice to any individual, most strenuously to oppose its farther progress. Mr. BE NETT would vote against the motion of the Hon. Member for Bridport, notwithstanding the line would go over his property to the extent of four miles. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the Gallery was clnred for a cliviion. During our exclusion from the gallery, we Understood the House divided on a motion for postponing the further consi deration of the second reading for a week. Ayes Noes 76 Majority for the postponement — Petitions were pas mted relative to Railway Bills by Mr. Sandford, Lord Dalmeny, Mr. Baines, Mr. Kelly, and several other Honourable Members ; but from the great confusion prevailing in the House we were unable to catch the particulars. CHURCH-RATE:3 - The SPEAKER inquired if there ware any Church-rate petitions ; when about 100 Members rose,' amid cries of " Order, order," and great laughter. Petitions relative to Church-rates were then presented by Mr. V. Smith, Mr. Gaily Knight, Mr. Wilks, Sir A. Leith Hay, Mr. Miles, Mr. A. Trevor and other Hon. Members. About 40, from the Opposition benches, here rose, and proceeded to the table with petitions on the same subject. The unusually crowded appearance of the floor of the House, occasioned much laughter. Mr. BORTHWICK presented petitions from Evesham, and other parts of Worcestershire against the abolition of Church- rates. Similar petitions were also presented by Captain Alsager, from different parts of Surrey ; by Sir C. B. Vere from Fram lingham, and other places in the county of Suffolk ; and by Sir W. Geary from different places in the county of Kent. Mr. GROTE presented petitions from different parishes in the city of London, praying for the total abolition of Church rates. Lord G. SOMERSET presented petitions from Mon mouth against the abolition of Church-rates. Mr. B. HOY presented petitions from Southampton against the abolition of Church-rates. Sir R. VYVYAN presented a petition from Bristol, signed by upwards of 5,000 persons, against the abolition of Church rates. The petition had received so vast a number of signa tures within two days after the Government plan for the re duction of Church-rates had been brought forward. Mr. PEASE presented a petition from certain lessees in Durham, praying the House to be careful of their interests. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Lord J. RUSSELL would take that opportunity of stating to the House tie course he meant to pursue in respect to the public business. It would be necessary his Hon. Friend should move the Navy Estimates on Friday, and it was his intention to move that the House should go into Committee on the Irish Municipal Bill on Monday, for which day the Bill stood fixed. An Hon. Gentleman opposite had yesterday put a question to him as to the resolutions on the affairs of - Canada. He (Lord John) was as anxious as that Hon. Gentleman could be to have an early day for the further consideration of that question, and he hoped the House would allow him to bring it on upon Tuesday next.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. ROBIN SON had a motion which stood first in the paper for Tuesday next ; but he considered it of such paramount im portance that the House should come to a determination on these resolutions, that he would willingly give way to the Noble Lord. Lord JOHN RUSSELL then moved that the order of the day for the consideration of the Canada question be postponed till Tuesday next.—Agreed to. DUBLIN AND KILKENNY RAILWAY.' On the motion of Mr. MORGAN O'CONNELL, the Dublin and Kilkenny Railway Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. MANCHESTER AND LEEDS RAILWAY. Mr. HARDY presented a petition against the Manchester and Leeds Railway Bill. ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the motion of the day, for the House resolving itself into a Committee of the whole House on the adjourned debate relating to Church-rates, Mr. G. PALMIER having referred to the sentiments ex pressed by Lord J. Russell on the passing of the Bill relating to the see of Durham, and to the assurance that a crtain amount should be paid over to the Ecclesiastical Commissioners in the event of the income becoming reduced to 11,000/. per an num, wished to know from the Noble Lord what had induced his Majesty's Government to alter the determination then ex pressed, upon the assurance of which he and other Hon. Mem bers consented to the passing of the Bill. Lord J. RUSSELL said the Hon. Gentleman was right in the fact stated by him respecting the obligation on the Bishop of Durham to pay over a certain sum to the Eccle siastical Commissioners. As to the reasons which induced the Government to take their present course, that was a ques tion which could best be answered by argument in the course of the debate. CORONERS (DURHAM). In answer to a question from Mr. ARTHUR TREVOR Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it was under the considera_ tiou of Government what might best be done with regard to the change in the condition of the Coroners of the emnisy of Durham, which had been effected by the passing of the Bill of last year respecting the see of Durham. Sir ROBERT PEEL wished to state that consi dera►ble anxiety existed to know the determination of Government on the subject of maps and surveys con fleeted with the arrangements for a voluntary commut tion of Tithes.--(Hear.) Considerable uncertainty was fel t as to the nature of these maps and sur veys, and lie k.,ew Mat the intention to enter into a voluntary commutation was for some time suspended, until the determination of Government had been known. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the question was under the consideration of the Lords of the Treasury. The Commissioners had laid certain papers before them with the view of inducing the Government to come to some determination. On receiving the deputation he explained to them the best course to be pursued, which, in his opinion, was to move for a Select Committee, to consider the papers, and to have them printed.—( Hear, hear.) The inquiry would not be a protracted one ; it would simply be respecting two or three plain questions, and the Lords of the Treasury did not feel themselves justified in deciding upon the ques tion, without submitting it to the consideration of the House. He would, therefore, now give notice of his inten tion to-morrow to move the appointment of such a Committee, and he hoped in a few days to have the opinion of the House, upon which they could act. THE MISSING WHALERS. Sir ROBERT PEEL said it would be in the recollection of the House that a few evenings since a conversation took Place, on the occasion of presenting a petition from Dundee, respecting the missing whalers, and certain papers with the correspondence which had taken place with Government were promised. There was a strong feeling in the country on the subject, and be hoped there would be no delay in laying the papers on the table of the House. Mr. BARING said he had already moved for the produc tion of the papers, and he thought they had been alreudy laid upon the table ; if not, they should be so without delay. The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the Chancellor of the Exchequer's resolutions respecting Church rates. Mr. Cayley, Mr. Gisborne, and Mr. Brotherton, then rose to address the House, each gentleman insisting upon his right of pre-eminence; ultimately, however, all of them gave way, for the purpose of allowing. Sir W. FOLLETT addressed the House. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman, said that he felt himself indebted to the kindness of the Hon. Member for allowing him a precedence to address the House. It was not his intention in entering into the present discussion at all to embark in any obser vations upon the financial statement of the Right Hon. Gent. opposite. He should abtain from doing that for two reasons, partly because it was impossible for him, or any other man, to add anything to the clear and convincing. statements of his Right Hon. Friend which remained un answered, and he believed them to be unanswerable ; and also because the objections he felt to this resolution would be equally strong, ever, if the financial statements were as accu rate and correct as he believed them to be incorrect. (LEFT SPEAKING.) The second reading of the Freemen's Admission Bill, which was fixed for to-morrow, is postpnned to the 12th April. Mr. Buckingham, M. P. for Sheffield, paired off, in favour of the Ministerial resolutions for the abolition of Church -rates, with Mr. Kearsley, M.P. for Wigan, against. MARKET INT ELLTGENCE. (From the New London Price Current of Allrch 14.) Suoart.—The prices of West India . have undergone no change, but the market has become rather quiet, the grocers and refiners having purchased rather sparingly, particularly of the ord descriptions ; the total purchases have been only F 600 hhds and trs: at the present prices there is little disposition evinced on the part of the iMporters to ; the the market is still scar.. ily supplied with the good and fine yel low descriptions; there has been no pullie salt! of Barbadoes, nor is it expected that any will be brought forward for some some time ; the deliveries last week have again exceeded those of the corresponding one of last year ; prices are nor 7s. under those of last season; for a small parcel of chyrstalized Demerara 70s. has been obtained. This afternoon the pries remained firm, but the Market was quiet, the Grocers and Refiners evincing very little disposition to purchase. The purchases have been only 500 hhds. and ti; ; ;,. The stock of West India Sugar is now 12,889 hhds. and trs., being 500 more than last year. The stock of Mauritius is now 59.555 bags, which is 10,191 less than last year, (in cluding the East India Dock.) The delivery of West India last week was 2,899 hhds. and trs.. which is 1,365 more than last s ear. The delivery of Mauritius was 7,605 bags, being 3 03 l ess than the corresponding week of last year, (including the East India Dock. ) The Market for Refined goods has become quiet, both shippers and grocers evincing little disposition to purchase, but owing to the supply of goods xt Market b:ing short, they have been com pelled to pay full prices; small parcels of Lumps that would pass the standard have been taken for the scale at 81 to 825., and those rather urukr at 89g., and ticule Crushed at 38s. to 39i. for immediate delivi ry. For Treacle there has been a good request, and the prices remain firm. Bastards have met with a steady sale. There is still nothing doing in Dutch Crushed Sugar, and the price remains as previously quoted. MAURITIT'S.—The prices previously obtained have been fully supported, but there has been less disposition evinced on tt.e part of the buyers to purchase, and 6,152 bags went off without spirit, but all found buyers, ord. brown at 525. to 545. 6.1., good brown 565. to 575. 6d., mid. and good yellow 58s. to 635. 6d. ; there have been no arrivals ; the only public sale announced is that 'for this afternoon, and there is very little offering privately. _ This after&on a public sale of 6,564 bags took rlace, which were all disposed of at former rates, good and fine yellow at 01s. to 605., and 575. Gd. to 60s. Gd. for mid and good. EAST INDlA.—There have been no public sales of Bengal, but from the grocers there has been a good request privately at fully previous rates, low and fine white selling at 30 , . Gd. to 375., and 225. to 295. 61. for brown and yellow ; for ship ment there has been rather more demand ; the supply at market is still short ; from the shippers there has been some inquiry after white Siam of good quality, but in the ab sence of public sales, and there being very little offering pri vately, business has been preverited; for the inferior kinds of Cochin China, rather lower prices have been accepted, 1,500 bags having been disposed of at 20s. to 225. for ord. white and damp yellow, and I9s. for grey ; for Manila there has been no request, the supply at Market being for the most part of ord. quality ; 2,000 bags, principally sea damaged, are adver tised for auction to-morrow. FOREIGN.-White Havannah has been sought after, and fully former rates would have been paid, but there being still scarcely any in the market, few transactions have taken place ; there has been an improved request for the yellow sorts at previous rates, and the private purchases have been 500 boxes, ord at 225. to 245., good 255. to 265. ;in the brown qualities there has been nothing doing privately. In the strong white qualities of Brazil there has been nothing done, there being scarcely any in the market ; they have been much sought after at fully former prices ; there has been rather more business doing in brown and yellow, and fully former rates have been paid for the parcels which have been taken pri vately, 19s. 6d. to'2os. 6d. paid for good brown Bahia in small quantities ; a public sale of 370 chests and 147 brls. Rio went off with briskness at Is. advance, low soft to good white sold at 245. to 30s , low soft to fine yellow 20s. to 245., ord. to fine brown 15s. 6d. to 20s. ; there have been no arrivals of any de scriptions. This afternoon the public sales consisted of 458 boxes Cuba and 2,749 boxes yellow Havannah, the former was bought in at stiff prices, good yellow very soft at 245. to 265. 6d. ; the latter all sold with much spirit at Is. advance, mid and good mid soft yellow at 245. 6d. a 265. 6d., washed 245. to 255., brown 225. 6d., mid white at 325. to 335., good mid soft 365. to 375., washed 335. 6d. to 355. 6d., very ord 235. 6d. to 245. MOLASSES.-In the prices of West India there have been no change, but there has not been much business done ; small parcels of St. Kitt's have been disposed of at 275. for mid., and 275. 6d. for good Demerara. The total deliveries of West India Molasses from the warehouses for home use, for the week ending March 11, amount to 3,354 cwt. COFFEE.-Jamaica of good and fine ord. clean quality sold at 635. to 905., low ord. 60s. ; Berbice low and good mid. 87s. to 101 s., good and fine ord. 82s. to Ms. 6d., triage 565. to 685., mid. unclean 80s. to 82s. ; Demerara mid. 86s. to 905., unclean fine ord. and mid. 80s. to 855., Rio and Havannah, the former good and fine ordinary coloury, 455. a 495., and the latter at 475. to 48s. for good ordinary; at auction 670 bags Rio sold at 435. 6d. to 475. for good and fine ord. ' • in St. Domingo nothing done ; there has been an arrival of 1,500 bags. At auction this afternoon 1,398 bags Havannah, and 12 casks 37 barrels British Plantation were offered, the former only partly found buyers on rather easier terms; ordinary 41s. a 425., good ordinary 435. a 445. 6d. ; the latter sold at former rates. Berbice fine fine ordinary and low middling at 85s. 6d. a 91s. RUM, BRANDT, and HoLLatens.--The announcement of a Government contract for 75,000 gallons of Rum has occa sioned the importers to be firm in their demands ; but there has been very little business done, yet the buyers have been compelled to pay fully last week's rates, more particularly for ord. Leewards ; Jamaica, 30 per cent. over proof, has been taken in small parcels at 3s. 10d., and Demerara, 34 over, at 3s. 6d. Geneva has sold steadily at ls. 10d. to Is. 11d. for pale. In Brandy little has been done. SPICES.--Pimento has met with a little sale at former rates; 400 bags at auction sold at 3d. a 31d. for low and good quality. For West India Ginger the request has been mode rate, and 200 packages at auction sold at 5/. 3s. a Si. 19s. for middling and good. RICE.-For East India a steady demand at 325. to 365. for Carolina. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Miw 13. POLICE MAGISTRATES. Mr. E STCOURT felt it necessary to ask a question of the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Home Department, in con sequence of the office he held a few years ago as Chairman of the Police Committee. That Committee had investi gated the whole case, and had recommended that no police magistrate should , he appointed except from the gentlemen of the Bar. That practice had been laid down, and, he believed, had been invariably acted upon. A few days ago, he saw in the usual channel of in formation, that the Noble Lord had made one appoint ment, and that the Gentleman had not been brought up to the Bar. He wished to know whether the report was true ; and if so, why the Noble Lord had departed from thal invariable practice of the office in such appointments?—( Hear. ) - Lord John RUSSELL said it was quite true that a gen tleman had been appointed to the situation of a Police Magi strate who had not been brought up to the Bar. He had acknow ledged the practice, and he considered that it was better that it should be adhered to ; but circumstances might make it advi sable to depart from it.— ( Hear, hear.) When Mr. Codd applied to him, he refused to appoint him, on the ground of his not having been bred to the Bar. Upon that he sent him (Lord John Russell) many recommendations, and re. ;1...f0l Ilia: to Mr. Seniol. and Mr. ;_.'tepile:is, ti:c Co lonial Office, who both declared that he was a man emi nently fitted for the situation, as he had had much expe rience on the Bench in Kensington. He (Lord J. Russell) asked for a return of the cases over which he had presided ; they were examined into by the Under Secretary, and the Re port was perfectly satisfactory. Under all these circum stances, he had been induced to depart from the usual practice. Mr. ESTCOURT would inquire whether the Noble Lord intended now to abide by the practice, or would he again de viate from it ? Lord J. RUSSELL thought it would be very desirable to adhere to the practice; at the same time he would ask the Hon. Member _if he was aware of the thousands of persons who were tried and transported by gentlemen who had never been brought up for the Bar. _ QUEEN OF SPAIN. Mr. O'CONNELL trusted the House would pardon him if he occupied its time for a few minutes upon a subject per sonal to himself. The House would recollect that on Friday last he made a few observations upon the subject that was then before it, relative to Spain. In the Times newspaper of Saturday, there was a most gross error in the statement he made—in fact there was not one word of what he really did say upon the subject. It was stated that he had said, with respect to the Queen of Spain, that the morality of the lady who handled the sceptre of Spain at the present moment was of no impor tance at all ; it was notorious that she was voluptuous in form and 'propensities.—( Cheers.) He would put it to the recollection of any Hon. Member on the other side of the House, who was present during the time he (Mr. O'C. ) spoke or, Friday night, whether he had made use of any such expressions as had been attributed to him ?—( Cheers. ) The fact was, that the whole was a total invention.—( Cheers. ) He had not said three words of the entire speech that had been given to him. He thought it a little too bad to invent a speech for any Hon. Member, especially when expressions were put into his mouth with respect to a female of high rank, which he had never used. Ho begged most emphatically to contradict the whole statement that had been attributed to him, and he hoped that from the present moment he should not be under the necessity of contradicting a speech which had been attributed to him, not one word of which he had ever uttered. The House then went into a Committee of Supply ; certain resolutions were agreed to, the Chairman reported progress, and the House.resumed. MILBANK PENITENTIARY. Lord JOHN RUSSELL postponed the second reading of this Bill to Monday next. CHURCH-RATES, On the nintion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the House went into a Committee on the Church-rates Regulation Bill. Sir ROBERT PEEL said, he rose thus early in the dis cussion, because he was desirous of having an opportunity of submitting in a connected form the view he took of the question which was invoked in the Resolution. ( Hear, hear, hear.) And he knew from long experience, that by postponing the part an individual took in a discussion to a later period of the debate, it was exceedingly important to re frain from the temptation there was to notice observations that had fallen from individuals who might have preceded the speaker, and from the temptation there was to introduce into the discussion that vehemence of debate, which might add something to the animation of it, but ought to have no effect in influencing the reason.—( Hear, hear.) It was his wish to approach the discussion of this subject in the temper to ,vhic•.i he had been invited to it by the Chancellor of the Exche quer the other tight.—( Hear.) It was his wish to divest himself of party feeling, and to forget the iefluenee it might have upon party connections, and to discuss it upon its real merits. Those were the reasons which ,had induced him to present, himself thus early in the debate. He rose under a sense of the deep importance of the subjact—( Cries of ‘• Hear, hear")—and of the importance of corning, if possible, to some early and satisfactory set tlement. He knew how the difficulties naturally inherent in it had been increased by a proposal made in the year 1834, which being made by the King's Government was almost tantamount to the condemnati .n of the present system—( Hear, hear)—and both on account of the in terval which had elapsed since that measure was pro nosed, and in consequence* of its subsequent abandon ment, he could say he was fully conscious of the dif ficulties with which the question was surrounded ; and he knew it had assumed a different position, in consequence of the proposal which had been made by the responsible Ministers of the Crown. But notwithstanding those difficulties, he felt it incumbent on him to state to the House the grounds on which lie came to the conclusion, that not disguising any of the difficulties accompanying the subject, there were none to be compared in magnitude with those which arose from an acquiescence in the proposal that had been made by his Majesty's present Ministers.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) Ile would speak of the plan submitted by his Majesty's Minis ters ,of the proposal that henceforth Church rates shall be entirely abolished—that the land and other property of this " country, whether held by Dissenters, or by persons in communion with the Church of England, should be in future entirely free from all liability on this head—and that the Church, not the State, shall in all times to come provide for the repair of the fabric of the Church. That was the proposition submitted to the consideration of the .House by tke King's Government, and he should proceed to consider it on separate grounds; first, as a merely financial measure; secondly, on its conformity with authorities delivered in that House on the subject ; and thirdly, on its conformity with the principles of a sound political economy.—( Hear, hear.) He wished to submit the subject, as one of finance, to the test of calculation—as a plan in conformity with considera tions of justice and policy to the test of unimpassioned argu ment. It was of still greater importanee'to consider the mea sure in a financial point of view, because it had been distinctly stated that, by the accuracy of the calculations made, the measure should stand or fall. He ( Sir Robert Peel) was aware of the extreme difficulty of following out and examining closely, in a popular assembly, the nature and results of an arithmetical calculation.— (Hear, hear.) The Right Honourable Gentleman had stated that he had a certain amount of charge to provide for--namely 261,0001., which he had estimated as the amount of fines received by the Bishops, and by the Deans and Chapters, on the average of three years. That was the data upon which he had to rely; but if the Hon. Gentlemen had taken a more extended period he would find that the amount of fines was less ; but for the purpose of examining the statement; he would suppose that the Right Honourable Gentleman's estimate was correct, and that 261,000/. represented the amount of fines ; namely, the sum for which he had to provide a reimbursement of the Deans and Chapters. The next permanent charge was a sum of 250,0001. which he had proposed to allot for the re pair of the fabric of the Church, making in all a sum of 511,0001.—(hear.) That was the permanent charge for which he had in the first instance to provide. He had wholly omitted the charge for the management of that fund. He pro posed that the Government should take upon itself the ma nagement of an immense landed property, consisting of mines, houses, tithes, and lands.--( Hear, hear, hear.) He had com mitted that property to the charge of Archbishops and Bishops who had no direct personal or pecuniary interest in it —to official men who were occupied with other matters, and to three lay Commissioners, on whom, he presumed, the ac tual practical duty was to devolve. That property was dis persed throughout the whole of England and Wales, and was subject to various descriptions of management and settlement ; and he apprehended the cost of the management of it, in pro portion to the rental, would be large indeed. From the nature of the Board to which this property was to be submitted, and from the general objection which applied to the State becom ing a great landed proprietor, and from the absence of those inducements to good management which a direct per sonal interest always secures, it was evident that this charge must be very high. The landed revenue of the Crown was 240,0001. It was managed by a Board of that nature —it was much less complicated—the surveys were infinitely less expensive—yet he believed he was not over-rating the charge e.f management when he stated it at 25,0001. per annum. In deed the estimate given him was 28,0001. Now, if he estimated the charge of managing that property, the rental of which was supposed to be 1,300,0001. and the actual receipt of which by the Deans and Chapters and Bishops was 540,000/., the lowest scale at which he could estimate it was 30,000/. per annum. Now if 30,000/. represented the annual charge, he must add that sum to the 511,000/., making 541,0001. as tho permanent charge for which the Hon. Gentleman was to provide. He had then stated the way by which he should provide for that charge. He had said the 261,0001. was the amount of fines ; and by a calculation, assuming the average subsistence of leases for lives and for years to be 24 years, and asssuming the rate of interest allowed to the tenant on renewal to be 7 per cent.—on these assumptions, he inferred the landed property of the Church to amount to 1,323,0001. He had then the deferred annuity, which was to take effect after the lapse of 24 years. It would appear from this there was a deficiency of 25,000/. per annum, assuming the data of the Right Hon. Gentleman to be correct. The loss of the Chancellor of the Exchequer would be 621,0001., always assuming that the data of the Right Honourable Gentleman was correct. He, however, doubted its correctness ; and he hoped, however the House might decide with regard to the principle of Church rates, he trusted they would not be prepared to make such an important change upon such insufficient grounds. The Chan cellor of the Exchequer calculated the average duration of leases to be twenty-four years. It was a most difficult part of the case, and unless they were made acquainted with tke proportion of leases which were held under three lives, it was impossible for them to make a safe average. He had had access to the ac counts of the Bishopric of Gloucester—he found there were 102 leases in that Bishopric upon lives; out of them 75 were held upon three lives; and the average subsisting terms of these 75 was not less than 38 years. Now supposing the average was to run to 26 in place of 24 years, that would at once destroy the whole of the Hon. Gentleman's calculations—and if it should run to thirty years, the loss to the public would amount to many millions.—( Hear, hear.) But they could come to no real knowledge of the value of the leases without a most minute and difficult calculation of the nature of the lease; and of the lives upon which they might depend.--( Hear.) 'I he next assumption of the Right I-lon. Gentleman was, that twenty four years purchase was the average value of these leases. That he ( Sir Robert Peel) should deny, for unless they were able to take an account of the leases, and of the value of the tithes in the manner he had described, they could come to no safe inference on the subject. The value. of each lease would depend on the number of years it had run—on the fact whether the lives named in it were of children or of persons of more advanced years, or whether they were of the male or female sex. Without a full knowledge of all this, they could never calculate the aggregate value,ot the leases. The next assumption of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was, that 7 per cent. was the average rate of interest allowed on the renewal of leases, and if 7 per cent. was not found to be the average rate of interest, his calculations were wholly erroneous, and his plan should entirely fall to the ground. The Right. Hon. Gentle man had gone into some calculations respecting the see of Dur ham. lie should protest against drawing any safe inference I eirCUMStanCC.3 of Gildt see. pretty see chiefly consiFted in mines, and there were special rea sons which affected the value of land, and made the rate of interest for renewals larger than in all other dioceses. I will not enter into details, but there is a specific reason con nected with what is called the " way charges," or permission from the tenant to pass over his land, which has the effect of increasing the value of the land in that diocese, for which rea• son, in that diocese, a larger rate of interest is allowed in re newals than in any other diocese. But if the Chancellor of the Exchequer is wrong in assuming that seven per cent. is the rate of interest allowed in renewals, his calculation must altogether fall to the ground. I a p pre h en d t h at, i n t h e case of land, seven per cent. is not the rate of interest allowed. I have attempted to ascertain what is the practice with respect to the renewal of leases in the following dioceses, namely, Canterbury, London, Winchester, Lincoln, Chichester, Ox ford, and Salisbury ; I asked the party who manages the re newal of leases this question :—‘. When a lease for lives or for years is renewed, what measures do you take to ascertain the nature and value of the property ?" The answer was, that he employed in the first place a regular surveyor, in order to ascertain what was the net annual value of the property, clear of all deductions. I then asked the fulloW ing question :—" The value being thus ascertained, how do you calculate what should be paid for a renewal of a lease of lives ?" The answer was, that they calculated the value to gether with the number of years the lease had to run, and made a calculation of i n t eres t a t five per cent. It therefore appears, that not seven per cent., but five per cent., is the rate of interest allowed on renewals.—( Hear, hear.) But then the Chancellor of the Exchequer may say that there are many instances in which seven and eight, and even nine per cent. interest is allowed—( Hear); that there are instances 10 which eight per cent. is allowed, and many in whiefefive per cent. is allowed, but that the average is seven per cent. Now, with respect to house property, I think that the average rate of interest allowed is totally different from that allowed on land. I admit that in cases of house property seven and eight, and even nine, per cent. is allowed. But all those cases of house hold property were subject to conditions which reduced them to not morosthan five per cent. An interest of eight per cent. is allowed on household property, because the tenant indemni fies the Church in the first place in all cases of insolvency, and from all attempts by legal means to recover the amount of the rent; and secondly, the whole charge of the building and the keeping it in repair is borne by the tenant; and thirdly, the charge of the payment of 'insurance against fire also falls on the tenant. It is therefore perfectly just that a distinction should be made in the case of household property and the eight per cent. allowed and the value of other property, on which only five per cent. is allowed. The result of this is, that if we grant that the present rental be 1,323,0001., and if we make allowance for the difference between hoUsehold property and landed property, then the value of this 1,323,000/. to be received 24 years hence will not be any thing like even M 6,0001.—( Hear, hear, and cheers,) On this point I put these questions to an eminent calculator. " QUERIES. " The average improved rental of Church leases is 1,323,0001. a-year. It is not estimated that, on the average, in twenty-four years, all the Church leases will run Out ; and, therefore, there is a reversionary interest of 1,323,0001., as a perpetual annuity, at the end of twenty-four years. " Question the First—What annuity, to commence from the present time, is equivalent in value to the perpetual an nuity of 1,323,0001., to commerce at the end of twenty-four years ? " Answer—The equivalent perpetual annuity, to commence immediately, is five hundred and sixteen thousand and one hundred and ninety pounds, computing the fee-simple at twenty-five years' purchase. " Question Second--If this sum of 1,323,0001. a-year is derivable as to three-fourth parts thereof from the rents of land, and one-fourth part from the rack-rents of houses, what annuity, to commence from the present time, is equivalent to the rent of 1,323,000/. a-year, having regard to the perishable nature of household property, and the permanent nature of land? Answer--The equivalent perpetual annuity should, in this ease, be four hundred and sixty-eight thousand seven hundred and thirty pounds, computing the land, as before, at twenty-five years' purchaSe, and the household property at 16 2-sth years' purchase. Taking the household pro perty in fee-simple, however, to be worth fourteen and a quarter years' purchase, instead of at 16 2-sths, which is • very mcderate reduction as compared with the reduction br land, from thirty to twenty-five years' purchase, the equivalent perpetual annuity will be four hundred and fifty-two thousand three hundred pounds.—(Heir, hear.) " ARTHUR MORGAN. " Equitable Assurance-cflice, March 10, 1837." " But the true proportion for the household property—the fee simple of the land being reduced from thirty years to twenty-five years—is thirteen and a fraction years' purchase. " N. B. Taking the land at thirty years' purchase, tho equivalent—perpetual annuity on the whole property—is 602,0001." Now, I have shown, supposing all the assumptions of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to be undoubtedly correct, that he will have an annual sum of 541,0001. to provide for, and that he will only have 516,0001. to meet it. In these as sumptions, however, the Chancellor of the Exchequer has been working entirely upon false calculations, and especially upon the erroneous idea that all the Church property is worth twenty-five years' purchase. But it would be vain to hope to induce the occupier of household property to purchase at 23 years' purchase, when he knows that the value of what he holds is only 16 years' purchase ; and therefore, in proportion' as the Church revenues are derived from household property', must a reduction be made from the whole value, which reduc tion, as I have said before, taking household property to be about one-fourth of the whole, would reduce the equivalent perpetual annuity from 516,0001. to 452,000/. Convert this annuity into present capital, and it will be found that instead of a gain, we have a clear loss, by means of this financiak speculation, to the extent of several millions.—(Hear.) The Chancellor of the Exchequer says he expects to derive some profit in this arrangement, from the improved value which land will acquire—and consequently that the State will come in for a' share of that improved value. All this notion, however, is a complete fallacy ; the Chancellor of the Exchequer will not get a shilling of any of this improved value.—(Opposition cheers.) He is going to allow the tenant to purchase at twenty-five years' purchase, and therefore the whole improvable value of the land, whatever it may be, must go, not to th e St ate , b ut to t h e tenant.—( Hear.) TheChan' cellor of the Exchequer, hoping to make the plan exceedingly popular, in the next place promises himself a reserve fund, 0° of which he is to procure the means of providing for the in crease of small livings.—( Hear.) He said, "I am the friend of the poor; you who come forward to oppose this measure endeavour to prejudice the people against it by representing i t ' to be destructive of the rights and claims of the poor." No' I should like to know what any Gentleman would give for the Right Hon. Gentleman's reserve fund after the sale of the Church lands for perpetual annuities in the way I have de' scribed, and when we find that the Chancellor of the Exete quer has a charge of 541,000/. per annum to meet out of an income of 452,0001. —(Hear.) Instead of a reserve fund, pre here here appear to ha've an absolute present deficiency.—( Hear- f It cannot escap e th e no ti ce o f t h e H ouse t h at the pr i nc i p l e o f the Chancellor of the Exchequer's plan is to sell a remote interest in certain lands and property belonging to the Church, and to sell it in perpetuity. Now I happen to have heard a very high authority make the following observation s upon this very practice:—" The great bulk of the propertY, derived fr om Ch urc h l an d s was at present levied by means °I renewal fines. The rents were, for the most part, fixed and certain, and constituted but a small portion of the income. The Church was, the re f ore , exact l y i n t h e pos i t i on of an i nd i v idual who was continually selling a reversion, which was j us t the most unprofitable of all means which an improvident peesol could resort to for th e management o f hi s property. H e t r usts:cs that Hon. Gentlemen bad not become aware of this fact fool; their own experience ; but those who were at all acq uainted with the world mu s t k now t h at suc h were prec i sely the acts o f a spendthrift."—( Opposition cheers.) I have protitted by my experience. I have heard the Chancellor of the Exch.; quer speak upon thi s very su bj ect.—( H ear, b ear, an d, laugh)—and what is the whole plan now submitted to us but „ proposal to sell a di s t an t reversion of the lands of the Church ? It is this, and nothi n g more nor l ess. H e o ff ers to sel l a ll O a reversions of the several portions of his property a t one fix„ e e rate of 25 years' pur c h ase ; an d d oes h e fl atter hi mse lf t hat 7 , can do so, and deriv e a p ro fi t at t h e same t i me ? I t i s, I thing* on the outset, a most m i s t a k en an d un f a i r proposal, t h a t the various holdings, whatever be the nature of their tenur,7 whatever the val ae o f t h e i r l eases, w h atever the i r i mpro vabl nature, are to be s o ld a t one unvary i ng rate of purc h a se..: (Hear.) I maint a i n th at t hi s i s i n i tself manifestly unitv There are four sources o f Ch urc h property ; namely, I"be which is the only d escr i pt i on o f property touched upon b Y/ Chancellor of the Exchequer—houses—mines, about 'whic h the Right lion. Gentl eman o ff ere d no explanation_what he propose to d o w i t h respect to mines ?—( Hear, hear)--mo d tithes which ar e not o f an improvable nature, their valv e b ey. e , ing already b een permanently fixed at a corn-rent, by th , Commutation Act of last year? I say it is unjust to saY , all the tenants of Church lands, without any regard to the value of th e i r respective leases,_ that they may purchase at to rate of twenty-fi ve years ' purchase. I never can consent e, see the property of the Church disposed of in this wbole s e o manner. I ca n see no means , based upon just and equit al i )e principl es , by w hi c h t h e revers i ons of Church lands Can b , disposed o f, except b y fairly estimating the value of the p . „, perty, and d ea li ng with cad . ; individual case on its merits- (Hear, hear.) S o muc h f or t h e fi nanc i al part of t h e Chun cellor of the E xc h equer ' s measure. I come now to d i s c e the subject in a p o i nt o f v i ew w hi c h I , and I trust man y othe r Hon. Gentlemen in this House, must consider of much deeP o interest. I come t o di scuss t h e pr i nc i pl e of th i s mea sure it concerns the et erna l pr i nc i p l es o f j ustice and soun d p° erty y „ —(Hear.) Thi s measure proposes that all rateable pr°l3,oo whether held by Dissnters or not, should be discharged belle the payment of a due which, from time immemorial, be! do t derived from it for the maintenance of the Church, an" ro an equivalent for thi s sum s h ou ld be procured out of theltiie o petty of the Chur c h. N ow, I apprehend that this i s aP ° h oe which cannot be denied—that whatever difficulty . rneYimoe been found in collecting this rate, the law from tune e eiee morial has been that parishes should maintain their resP, coty , Churches. Neither can it be denied that whatever (I %s l '! fit , of whatever opposition, may have been made to the pay m e ' pa r- Church-rates, the conditions under which people h ave ni eet , pay eat i. chased property have been trained subject to their under the consideration that their payment was to II" r iec• cued, and, of course, with a proportionate reduction or pre to The Chancellor of the Exchequer, in stating this Ine es ,,, t it the House the other night, said that he should suPt s i a re upon good authorities—that he should found his conen t be upon a weight of authority w hi c h h e k new we should e ht able to dispute. Th e s i ng l e precedent w hi c h th Hon. Gentleman add uce d was the case o f t h e tenil 3° ! c ot' of the Irish Church, the allusion to which, I must say,