The Sun. — London, England, 1846-03-11 00:00:00

„.._,_ and I_ -..... r...:,. y.r.a. , ......-- , . „. .....-...-..«,,,,,,,..-......cr...a..c ... -.......... 0 C art/Z d Lord of that opinion, that he not only used Is t i t, treat and powerful legal arguments in the House of ‘6e me b _ a t lie alto tried all in his power to get thei,,,.: released. The House would recollect the feelirg in Of Weeuttlt.onlind at the time the men were under the sentence %ali„„ ; _i il.. There was a petition signed by about four . Il k th t n favour of a free pardon. It was not to be denied in tentionkev ed..... of the Government was to have the prisoners 44 the the s caffold, it was well known, had been prepared, lee.. _exescationer was ordered down, and hr was there in iiicet!liness to exercise his calling. What was it that pre -I..v.telL:f t,' execution? it was well known that but for the t W 1 h ue e e L reople of this country they would most undau it jillshistsvi„ 'n executed. So intent were her Majesty's 'ogee , "Pen carrying out the sentence, that Sir Frederiek fi e a mnad waited six times upon It e Secretary of State for l iitle oi 4 Department, and the result was that he could not he It4 st ' iti ' nit the slightest hopes for a remission of the see s. tie: tr e e . e 0 After a 3 he could not make the slightest impression e. `tt e T t i' l lt After the sixth interview of the Learned Gentle- Flisid te t t li.e Government, he waited upon Lord Brougham ite se. l!rnrn, ” I can make no impression on these men, and IN nnul they will be sacrifice:l. , ' The Noble and Learned b4/' ou t to him, " Go again and say to them, that if they Itti pitt the extreme penalty of the sentence, they will be ls,„ s'i illegally and * unconstitutionally, and the men will be tiq 'usa!rdred, if executed, for it is against all law." It was i ktr ks l at the time, - ;II t the men ought not even to s ett l ' ett ' , l, for they had been convicted against the law of t Mate o it would be. a transpertation most illegally. After tre st ` e 'leo had keen comn utcd to transportation. fresh „7.0 l to w 's made by the public to prevent that. punish . silent N eva ti ed out. The Government said then that if the ? Kr should conduct themselves well while abroad, after a Zlis s l l o t here might pcssibly be a chance for their having a L'il lit I n ' The unfortunate men were sent out to New 6 - titi t h:.e's and they were for two or three years kept work- IN'7iilt ii tl e . gang3. It was well known that in this country e e an amnesty took place upon any great public re lkii'y ' . -i i ld they treat prisoners so in Fratice ? England . was ZNrsee where, at the times of great public rejoicing, tl e ,: k no Pardons granted. On the birth of the Prince p i , p i:"ere were to be sure some pardons, but not to po• "'lsf -Ge ers• Lo dc at France on the occasion of th e , ex _ ce b4 ll- eo t h.. h e Prince de Joinville, .there was a partiaL amnesty e ....try, and it i z zt, All of those political as well as other " e riseners were those political prisoners e„,„, Bonapartists. k ° some of those who atterat::. o d, with Prince Louis ON d Lthe carrying out of a mad attempt to upset the ,zir e i e fasty of that cuante f . That Prince was not to be j!'4b ee (l, but he hope e t that he soon would be,. as well as irt!'Qital prisonesrs. The pardon cf Frost, Williams, and a,tlsset, be lq Accordance with the feelings of the people . ntry, 16„,ltli k He knew there was great alarm abroad in %klill k il On this subject. He regretted much two letters ri 'qta t , ?eell written by the Hon. Member for Edinburgh stituents, wherein he assailed those unfortunate men, ,4 1 a st g them great cr i m i na l s. He (Mr. Duncombe )de ny that they were great criminals, but illtai%%L,ourable Member for Edinburgh, in these vilti 4 7 l °Slaed that they had not been sufficiently punished. l i i. S ts , or r? hts constituents that the petitioners for the ardon 1 cta tl , l ; i 111 . 1 a/ -- , e . us and Jones, were men who wanted to cause . a Od le "Lion in the country. Now, with respect to the pri 0, - (Mr. T. Duncombe) believed that their object was IN' g.„ r eat moral demonstr a tion w he n th e y a s s e m bl e d a t O t , lip la men with arms in their hands it was impos- Js k lt . sist an his fellow prisoners to restrain. He felt that Cstli os l entbe d r for Edinburgh had acted most unju,tly to. Cited , e illen in bis letter, and that he most unjustly cha .4lti e`", e largententions of a mass of persons signing the I lit, '',,ith he (M r . Duncombe) had presented to that 1 / 4 Ssne Right Hon. Member slid that the national peti. ki e tsgnea by men whose sole object was to . create a na- SAs ru Ptoy, and that to give them their claims would be Vti e lls tu put a razor into-the hands of a man who said he Lit; eat his own throat. ( Here the Hon, Member read s la 4 s. olluded to.) He fat that the Right Hon. Gentle klst, roost unfairly used his (Mr. Duncombe's) name in sits• 14 1 4 ''., and with respect to placing a razor in the hands of a 6..,ll°'*.,lshed to cut his own throat, he (Mr. D.) wished . he Lli k rar the Right Hon. Members hand at the time he 04 4 2 0 write those letters, for he would most certainly 06 1 :ed hire. the pen.—(Laughter.) . The Hon. Member ad the petition, said he did not think . that that deal tlL ' r ed the name that had been applied to it by the Ita.: 4 * Gentleman. It complained of a monopely of the et oti 4 tnenopoly of religion.—(Laughter.) Was there Ns.?Pol of reigion? If his oourable Fiend, the , i• kllk 1 13 r ti y rmingh l am, was present, H he n would say there was SZ : si e Y 'in that. He much regretted the absence of his Cest i ll Captain Rous, for he had promised to vote for the Nip tlse prisoners, and he had written a letter to that i . 411 : Wer to an application most numerously and re tiAb4%ned by the people of Westminst e r. H e (M r . ke) l ' l le great pleasure to vote for the release of Frost, 4 1 ; 1 44 and Jones, and I am sure that they are more likely iii v e a pardon from Sir R. Pe e l' s G overnmen t t h an (14 4 4ttler k Ministry." He (the Hon. Member for Fins ttettsoj that opi n i o also. He was sure that they would have 4 t 'snee of pardon through theinstrumentality of the 044 1 1 ' Baron e t th an th ro ugh any other Mini s t er . H e eiN at Sir F. Pollock's conduct towards these men was lists P e tt ise, and so certain, was he at the time that the L"itre under the sentence of death, that that sentence liillsil7 tarried into execution, that he went and took leave 01 1 ,, t i1 l their p r i son .—( Hear, he ar .) D. had been aNa t it was never the intention of the Go. Ztl, b„° l that day that those men sh o uld b e 46' if that had been the case would that Hon. and e i lskmentlem an have paid them such a visit ? Supposing nteaatid Learned Member for Cork had been tried f or tie tt s °, ll and convicted—and it had been said in that tli 4t e ue could h a ve been tri e d f or th a t offence—supposing ar' had, would he not have been deprived of that t ch, in hi s case , mo s t j ust ly se t as id e t h e verdict of 'ieted him. If Frost, Williams, and Jones, had the th e , a l;Peal th e y a l so wou ld have had the same issue as in ,ta e t ii that Hon• and Learned Member. He had said, , att4l , in all * her rejoicings, released not one of her d e Prisoners. To be sure they had done so in one case, i'...nere the Canadian rebels as they were termed. k 47 a Vast difference between the offence of those pri- A tli ° that of Frost, Williams, and Jones. The Canadians 14„ . (1 iu arms fighting against her Majesty's troaps— ssigetti had committed much bloodshed, and had carried 2 for some time th roug h t h at country; b ut the unfor es lioners in whose behalf I appeal to you had no such tt4 .l , nor indeed had their offence given such 1 ,,,, n ta, yet how great has not been their punishment. o,'llld ask was, that the case of Frost, Williams, and Celd be taken into consideration in proportion as it found that they had the public voice, the public tit ' ‘' and the public wishes with them. He thought he estlfficient proof that this was the fact, and if he had a l e say he sincerely hoped that the Right Hon. V„ ,s l e tild give his most serious attention to the subject. 'itt i rsneombe) would not say one word more beyond "e would add his most ardent prayer to that of the and he would now conclude by saying that he q lea ve to move t h at an h um b le address from this tl, Presented to her Majesty, praying that her Majesty l ilillteiously pleased to consider the prayer of th e peti. \I.,'DWG in favour of the restoration of Fro s t, s, p i .''''d Jones, to their native land, their families and li. GR AHAM said he should be extremely sorry ind ee d 1 ti t • -t ting this motion, one word should fall from himN eti or ill f 1 . g —( Hear, hear.) ' 4, 14t e„ e( l)y w a i e th rim t o h n e y Noble Member eein opposite ', thc they I lt '_ t each consideration of this question coolly and' .1,, (1,-71 the • hout the sli htest regard.. to art or 1 11 4i7I' Y e ' isc a e n s d , ?Hear, hear.) g On the, Kround p he y (Sir i ‘o t ) regretted that the Hon. : ".: . .temb'er should have )'o l l,, i _ li eessary, in support of his e7,•gument, to have thrown IVO Ll 4 nee other cases of a so - diewhat similar description Seitilven regarded more or ' c:s favourably. He was ready li, :li t ,,: l e: the number of petitions i. which . had been presented ‘74,,, 11 1 )0 11 this su l l;ject were very large.—( Hear, hear.) N,ti,c,"ititit also. ':nat the memorial to her Majesty, which OLil Led la s s • in favour of Frost, Williams, and Jones, 4 • . year, 1 1 1 1 4 „ 11 :i a very large portion of the working classes. ItNilbleund to say that the cou r s e w hi c h t h e Govern ciist p taken with reference to those conv i cts, was the Voltesentations made upon the most ma t ure cons id era- N. L ' et "• circumstances of this peculiar case . H e did not „ePetency or the right of partie s t o i n t er i ere for a liti Satlak,;f, this sentence, but he would say that in a.',', c ases o f titi should remiss i o b n e i ti i 4l kat I;tie4 t lce discretion or re remission s i :ti n e such of interference sentencth. 2 W l t' should y b u e nd s e tr r i t c a t k i es o , t. au ,r d v . e t d he linen allof e demarkation e;wiere L Lki), l 4 t a t i lti benevolent prt4oga - tive w . as exercised, all the ~t v, ease should he carefully considered and well ei responsiblz• agent of the Government. In the \,.. l lts k . \ e woraa not shrink from that reiponsibility.— L leti c Y The Hon. Member in his speech had described ,1,N,,, 4 as misguided and unfortunate men. That they ts '"ed he fully concurred with the Hon. Member, for t kek h , t ing unde th directions of those who should have .tke:4tter advice; but that they were unfortunate he k _ . t,Ll 4 e!•heir lives . had been spared. Taking into con* ‘ 1114,4 Nki,' crimes of which they had been convicted, which tllk t to the punishment of kleath, he dirt, can t 1 414 4,s they were fortunate in not . taving the CA th e ,_e of . the law carried out, but to have klityr_ecrimes with a less punishment than . that tk\,l 1,, i i r li r o h o now da u r n o cl u e s r g courseong : w t e o u Id , te . toT h eei t v t e h d, Iklariktur ~ I then r g e e m ission of their sentence Pqrll. was s a tr , mg e ti: 4 5 admitted, but he did not agree with the Hon. , \ !l ail l 't th e y feeling was h universal. But he begged to 1 la /41 :k 4 \4;) el ur e a s W e ho eneirt; rt e a r i a t e d a that h t e h o e p re m 7 o a n s , tahaltatte sentence c o: \ e j , and sb.ould not be remitted. Her Majesty's \ 4l Nlik„' entertained the same opinion, and they had the \ pt 1N 14,7 e that justice had been done. The ILnourable rtV tl,;. stated that this Conviction ;as rot a legal oua, IL\,l4lZt_ated very clearly and accurately * the point of law A, . 4 , e.). raise 'a in favour of the convicts ar. the Special a lfi l liki liLlt it should be remembered, that though the Iv 144 been accused of high treason, every ad- VLa . been afforded them, such as getting .It W itnesses, copies of the indictments, th I t k ht % .R.Wit well known that preceding the trial the anxious to have copies of the Indictments as iglu'iit after the bills had been found by the grand 1 / 4 1 t Ois' e nli citor-General, who appeared on behalf of the t l tiFie t sally anxious to do so, and accordingly they hatl N , 4,1„ days before the last day for granting them, 10\ ti, ; 11l rifer ?ad the lists of the witnesses within the limited 'oll,ttunce to this subject, the point raised at the I NllOl . \ ,,,'e delivery of the copits of the indictments and ‘I: Ladtnesses were net simultaneous — that was the i li ou , l , l e,e e rt reserved. The Hon. Member hid said, ki l lt wii r t 4 . a right of appeal in criminal eases . as well do as t t l ' , e had Instanced. Now . he (Sir J. Gra t,l.lth out t t "'A in reference to this point, he never k 4l khov„. .re expectation that there should be an L ata, o 7 ; jutuded . te in cases of this description, Now kto c th,''Llt:in arrived at by the fifteen Judges in re `Ne of 1)3.19t reserved ? It was this—nine out of the 40„Mif f that if the objection had been taken SINT, Af tee ' n " i w u o d , ,, d e d have been a valid objection, but the . 1,1/4.%tsi:l had been' so s weretaken, e o s t ul o t pi t n h i a o t n thatwoa would /litiNmit!_tio,".._a P o stponement of the trial.—( Hear, hear. ) lit os ° 4 4 ii ! , t i r epe rn at his observation, that, considering all the ztk,,,_th, f v 2 l _, s.tauces under which the prisoners were 1 \:kk t eth t 7rri,ec_t_ that the extreme sentence of the law had "k. iklest l i t. "Lagainst them, they had been most fortu- VtL . 4 , rab er nue nowt ame to the next point made by ). t eer e l y :ntele, at this offence should have been \ tis k t tlll4. Co , ' a moral demonstration in favour of kit ,ot - , 41 lli; 1 „ 13 E begged to explain what he had stated S? r. 6 4 ,,a1 t i,„: 4 * of people came down from the hills, for the ckt4 t.V„,,,tnoral demonstration. , 'tea l ' i at I ,,'''l said he understood the Hun " li t % l et (s! t° 'take a moral , demon."- 1 osember t e i ' 4 e 14ct Sir J . Grah , ki ._l l , l , . 4 of ti ,_ ... am) • ....anon. Now this . .`4;.. ne ‘.... . 'it ' call the recollection of the t , k it, e l • . ~, -..n3aCtilltl, d 4 they were elicited at 4, 4 ' I L. ii ' `0 i l l " arsr v u ed '' , 'tl them th a t h e ent i re l y concurre d I,. s tt: s orbe kt thi s ~.,t by the jury. It would be rememe t o tt'o l , 6 .dist r i6 di in the mining districts of South k it‘iti t h ktPe-h1(44 Wier P rev ailed ) wages were low, the , ,11 a; ° se i.i . -eel l , et e .high, and general disaffection ap- N04 , 4 4,;: t t1a t ,.,i7Y l lng Mlil it was under those circtlm- LN t itt o t t ! , tin ~,th,a% been arranged that Frost, Williams,. - 7 ) , ~._ !e el. _ Fen with others, were to divide them '"b g o , c ut Parties, each hmided by one of those, 'POLO a descent upon the town of Vew- j go pril o° o d 5100 :49 se o d d► ro sti t o a r' 00' 17,11 E SUN ; LON 24, VVEbN'ESI) AV VVENINO MARCH 11, 1843. et midnight. On their arrival in the tewn they were to lave taken posseselen of it and the bridge, and by a precon certed signal it had been agreed upon that the mail shoed be stopped, and its non- arrival was to have been the regnel at • Birmingham and the northern districts that they bed neeses sion of the town, and a General rising of the Teeple was to follow.—( Hear.) Now, ghat were the facts proved ? At the trial, the Crown was represented by the present Lord Campbell, who was then Attornev-General, and by the Solicitor-General, the present Member 'for Worcester. Chief Justice Tindal, a most able, distinguished, and humane Judge, charged the jury upon that cccasien, and in that charge he charatteristed the offence as one of high treason. During the triel the teeleonees had a'l the advantages of having for their iteelenee most able and learned counsel ; that defence stood unrivalled for legal ingenuity, end ev, ry source e,f, legal eloquence and law was exhausted in their fsvotar. Tee jury weighed well all the evidence with the neeatest care and eeliberatime, and the result of that deliberate care was a verdict, of guilty. Here the Right Hon. Gentleman read an extract from the sentence of the Learned Judge, which was to the effect that the offence of high treason had been clearly proved against the prisoners, and sentence of death was passed upon them. He (Sir James Graham) then continued to say, that a difference of opinion having, however, arisen with regard to the strict Irgality of the sentence, in consequence of the point raised, her Majesty was recommended to commute the sentence to transportation. Now, let him ask the Haase to consider whether that sentence was one which ought to he remitted. He did not wish to aggra vate the case, but let him remind the House, that in conse quence of Frost having been considered a person possessed of great infitmiec in that part of the country, he had confided to him her Majesty's commission for the preservation of the peace, and that confi leneehe had abused in the manner already known to the House, and therefore, in considering the justice of his sentence, he coeld not overlook this gross breach of confidence. —( Hear, near.) Nor could he stop here, for he should call the attention of the Henget to the providential circum - stance that the nigh' upon which this descent was to have been made tih eee I\w and this. -* Teport was dark and tempestuous, thought, showe d tire special intervention of Divine P'",;tdenea, for it prevented those people from entering the town before day-Treat..--(Hear. ) \Veen the columns of men arrived in the town, one of those, columns was ftrdered up to a certain point by Frost, wlio, let him ( Sir J. Graham) remark, was not to be found at the head of that column, but he was found in a hiding-place. How much of the sentence of those prisoners had already been enforced ? Only five years. Now, according to all the ordinary rules of such cases, it was not usual to commute such a sentence until after the expiration of at least ten years ; but in the present case, considering the circurnstences under which the punishment had been inflicted, he certainly could not recommend to her Majesty that it should be commuted. He was far from not sympathising with per sans condemned to punishment, hut in this case he should say, that all his sympathies were enlisted on the side of the widows aryl orphans that had been made by the conduct of Frost (Cries of " Hear, hear.") Ile did think that this sentence should be allowed to take its full course, in order to show to others, who, though bold in counsel, were not so in action, or foremost in the ranks they urged on, that when the law reached them they weuld he sure to receive punishment. (Heae, hear.) Far be it from him to say that mercy ought not, in certain cases, to be exercised, but under the present cir cumstances he could not recommend her Majesty to remit the sentence.--( Hear, hear.) Mr. MACAULAY, whose opening observations were not audible in the gallery, was understood to say that there existed no connexion whatever between the letters produced, as some Hon. Members were disposed to think, as the letters had been written at different periods ; and though published, he doubted if they could in any way inluence or prejudice the case then before the House. With respect to the first of these letters, of 1842, he thought it would be very much out of place were he then to go over the grounds which he did on the for mer occasion ; but he could not refrain from saying that these letters contained not a single observation or word by which he was not then fully prepared to abide. —(Hear, hear.) However, he would not suffer himself to be turned away from the line of discussion, but would merely ask Hon. Gentlemen, and simply request each of them who entertained a doubt on the statement, to fully enter with him on the consideration of the matter.—( Hear, hear.) Now, setting aside the question of the lett rs by which, he repeated, he was pre pared to stand, he should declare that he had a preliminary objection to the motion of the Hon. Gentleman, Mr. Dun combe. He had a strong objection to any interference by that House with the exclusive prerogative of the Crown. No doubt the House had a right to advise her Majesty, through her Ministers, as regarded the exercise of that prerogative ; but certainly discretion should impose a restraint in such cases that they should not overlook or disregard. He ad mitted that there were some prerogatives vested in the Crown, in the exercise of which Ministers would be much to blame if they did not seek the advice of that House—such as matters connected with the command of the army, and Mlles. important branches, in regard to which the House sineald be most chary. It was through no superstitious fttitiing for the birth of a Prince of Wales that the royal prerogative was prayed to be exercised ; but the reason was obvious, for it never was exercised save at the advice and by the recommenda tion of these with whom the responsibility of the safety of the community rested.—(Hear, hear.) It was a solt.mn and awful duty to be charged with the trust of the public peace; to preserve peace and order to society and property, and at the same time to do so with the smallest infliction of suffering compatible with the attainment of the great end and object.— (Hear, hear.) Now, his view of the question was this—he conceived that the prerogative of mercy was less likely to be abused when exerted in conformity with the advice of those whose high and important duty it was to watch over the public security and the public peace, than if it depended upon the birth of a Prince or Princess Royal.—( Hear, hear, and a laugh") But if once the precedent of an abuse of that privi lege were set, by that House entertaining every prayer that might be presented by Honourable Gentlemen on behalf of their constituents, they need have no apprehension of its not being largely followed up.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Were there no scenes occurring in the country that might serve to act as warnings against the exercise of such a sympathy ?, There were such scenes in abundance. They had the case of the hypocrite who, about twelve months since, had been con victed on a charge of poisoning an unfortunate woman, who was bound to him by many ties, and in whose favour was pleaded religious character, standing, society and position, yet they had petitions crowding the table, praying the exercise of the royal prerogative. Again, had they not learned and pious dignitaries interfering for an unhappy woman, and representing her as an excellent woman, one who would be most inv a l ua bl e i n th e colonies, as a teacher of morality, a woman, in fact, perfect in all the cardinal virtues, save that she mixed a quantity of arsenic in her father's breakfast one morning?—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) Now if the House interfered in these matters, every lion. Gentleman would be constrained and required to present petitions, praying the clemency of the Crown on behalf of ``re 'e most serious offenders ; so th a t it was absolutely ecessary to make a stand on the present occasion. As regarded the clemency of the Crown, he would much rather entrust it in the hands of the Worst Ministry, than to the best House of Co:emces, There was a plain course before them ; an is while they had a Minister in whoa), they could confide, an.;; in whom they did not ticeleec their want of confidene,e, it was their plain duty anti eiident wisdom to leave the O P _ - estion in his hands; ana as far as he was totieserhed he could eaoCcontemplate why the 'present treasure gleteld Meet with support. If he should "ise at all intltreked to interfere in .. suet , . cases, it would be in the eettht of such severities being I) . ".actised, as were e xerc i se d i n th e re i gn of James 11. Some such case as that would make the blood boil ; but was the present that description of thence?—( Hear.) What were the circum stances? Three fellows assemble together four thottsand or five thousand men , a - me d —some of them with gutty ; scythes, pikes, end other deadly weapons. They Mitch at midnight, attack a house, fire on the Queen'ri troops, and wound one of her Majesty's justices of the peate while in the discharge of his duty—and wound him badly also.--(" Not badly," from an Hon, Member.) Unless his (the Right Hon. Gentleman's) recollection served him badly, Sir Thomas Williams was badly wounded on the occasion.--(1-lear, hear ) Nose Whit *at the object of the movement? Was it not ihtenSled to have been general ?—( Hear.) It had been proved in evidence that the object was to excite to a 'general risin g ; and he should ass er t that the language cf Chief -Justi ce Tindal on the occasion was by no meats too strong or too severe. Let them imagine the feartlil struggle that might have ensued between the two parties which the outbreak would of neteesity call up ; no man that they had ever read or heard of could convey to them an adequate notion of its ferocity. The wars of the White and Red Roses, rue of tire Cavaliers and Roundheads, would bear no comparison with the scenes that might end would result from that awful outbreak were it not so speedily crusheds(ilear, hear.) All that the imagination eotilci Conceive could not come up to the reality ; and a, shock would have been pro duced, certain to be teen hot alone throughout England, but throughout the erifeerssl world, the consequences of which would in eget to come be deplored by their children and their children.—( Hear, hear. ) Btteh We're the objects which the unfortunate men had it Vie* on whose behalf the House was then selietted to interfere ; but would the House tryst tat 'ease leniently ? B e f ore it did so it should first lust:Sire, 'that the motives were that impelled the unfortu nate glen to act as they had done. Was their motive a trifling one ? Quite tire reverse. —e Hear, hear.) The crime was one that included all other ceitftee against society. Ile spoke not then of the unhappy multitude engaged in the outrage, but of the ringleaders, to whom severity should be practised. The Motive of Frost no doubt was success, and the hope of changing his position from a linendraper to the protectorship of the kingdom—the leading Member of the Committee of public safety, a second Robespierre, possessing boundless means of gratifying his love of distinction and flattery of the highest degree-....that was the motive which he believed impelled him. —( Hear and a laugh). Now, was it possible that that House could think of awarding less punishment to the men convicted of high treason,-and of the intention to subvert society, than would be awarded a mere clerk for the robbery of his em ployer's till , or a shopman for the abstraction of a few yards of ribbons ?—( Hear, hear.) It was impossible that there could be an end of crime, under the existence of such temptation, unless the punishment bore some proportion to the crime com mitted. The Canadian rebels had been instanced ; but there was no analogy between the cases, for as regarded them, the ringleaders were hanged, and then an amnesty granted ; whereas, in the present case the ringleaders had not been hanged, whilst an amnesty had also been granted. (Hear hear.) He was not about to trouble the House further, as he conceived he had said sufficient in vindication of what he had set out with. He ap proved of the part taken by Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite, and he trusted the House would not interfere to wrest from the Crown the exercise of a great and high prerogative.— ( Hear, hear.) Mr. DISRAELI said he was very glad that the Hon. Gentlettian, who had just sat down, had vindicated his letters. it was always to him (Mr D.), as also, he felt, to the House agreeable to listen toj the Hottoerable Gentleman vindicate these celebrated letters, which plch!imi atl effe,4 the time het yet tithe foreneAteri. He wished - othei et, t Honotiraliee tNntlnrrelen, fling as eminent a position as the Meet lion. Member for Eciinburghs.WOuld rib and vindicate other letters which had toety Winch influence on public opinion. He belieVed it they followed that example -the present debate tVotlld be able to stand comparison With e.oy that on previous oueasiens had occupied th'etr ellitt'stinn. tie begged to assure the Instate ttiat Lir trespassed on it with great relectante ; but he Could not refrain from stating that many years ago he (Mr. Disraeli) was in one of the smallest minorities that ever came off in that House upon the present subject; a minority, in fact, of four, on which occasion he voted in favour of the present identical question. He had not the moral courage to refrain from coming forward tot press an opinion which he then vindicated by his vote ; vs however, thought it was impossible to put s•-• - -se, crime of which the prisoners had h- .at of view the crime that included all rot— eeen convicted—it was a also to say, the' t ..ere.—( Hear, hear.) He was bound they b- oe had ever considered the sentence to which • -tan es —( Hear, hear.) It might be well bee :. euielected was as lenient as any sentence could be said that, in a case where the crime was so awful and the sen tence":he circumstances.—( unrli:: so lenient, it was not the duty of that House to come forward on the present as on previous occasions. It would be very difficult to meet an objection which found sympathy in every breast e but they should consider the circumstances under which all human transactions occurred. On the previous oc casion, being the only Tory Member that voted in the minority, he could not forget that they lived in a period of great political excitement, and that a system called "agitation" existed for several years, by which men became Ministers, parties had been transferred, and Administrations raised to power, the members of which previously held seats at opposite sides of the Houie, • whether Secretaries of State or not he was not going to say.—(Laughter.) That that report had been very prevalent, and that there existed a loose and de baughed state of public feeling in the miude of ignorant and inexperienced persona, induced by the great example set them, Which had made some erten. Ministers; and other. men in the sifter cohntry, mere powerful than Ministers, could not be de hied ; and, douotless, it was influenced by such example that led these men to play the part they did. Therefore, he thought they should not decide on the conduct of these men witleeut reference to the circumstances. He would not think it right to tell them they had warred war against the Queen's troops, for such was most inexcusable conduct. Neither would he tell them - thee ,had excited, passions, ettil held. •ogt Or pee tations shltiar were illegitimate ; but which, had illey eiteceerle I, would cease o be so.—(lleare hear.) Although their crime was great, and the judgment on them lei ien.t, still, when it was brought before the Hope before a lle had felt it his duty to record his vein in their favour. lied any circum.stanhes edurred since to change his oannion ? 'll'4 lion. and Learned Member was certainly very happy in all his flights of eloquence, but never more happy than when he ilustrated his arguments. He said, "Look at this case— look at the morbid and effeminate sympathy it stirs up in the public mind; it was this zympathy that said that a mhrdertiss must be sent to the colonies Of this country." It was this aending to the colonies that influenced him in the course he had tak.n. It had been said that there had been a great insur rection, and that the parties raising it were traitors ; but they were not only not punished, but were rewarded for their crimes. He did not wish the people of England to feel (altliostgli he did not want to do otherwise than palliate the punishment of the sufferers)—he did not want them to feel the difference between colonial and native punishment. Ile was so far an advocate of native industry that he did not wish the people to feel any exception in this instance. - (Loud laughter.) It was this system that made Frost a slave, and Papineau a Member of the Hnuse of Assembly. The Hon. Member appealed to the House to turn to the reign of James 11., which they would find replete with instances parallel to the present case. That would be an hiterference with crreurnste.nces on which they were not called upon to de cite. H er e h er M a jesty's trove were fired upon; he might ask were not her Majesty's troops fired upon in Canada? He should like to have from the Right lion. Baronet the return of l i the meeistretes that had been wounded in Canada. When the Hon. Member appealed to the reign of James 11. as the medel reign for treesen and sedition, was not the blood of Sedgemore as costly as the blood spilt in the town of Newport ?--and was the House to be appealed to to show no mercy because there was in the reign of James 11. a rebellion in which they suffered greater evils than in the late disturbances ? He could not deny that the observatione of the Hon. itismber were always inte resting to listen to, but they had no valid arguments against the motion of the Hon. Member fur Finsbury. One of the most remarkable arguments of the Hon. Gentleman was, when he told them that they were bound to support the Crown in the exercise of the prerogatives at present in question, because it was necessary, under all the circumstances, that they should not question the conduct of her Majesty's advisers, but look at the position of the Government. The Crown must not be questioned because it receives advice from an individual who has told us that in the present case he takes a peculiar responsibility. He (Mr. Disraeli) would ask if the Government possessed the confidence of that House, although it was supported by 112 gentlemen—the regenerators of this country by their change of opinion. The Crown in the exercise of its perogative was advised by a Minister, and to support these perogatives the House must also support the Minister who advised the Crown. The House was bound to consider whether that Minister possessed the confidence of Parliament, and whether in a week hence he might not consider it necessary that the exercise of prerogative should he of a far different nature from the one then in question, and that it should be exercised in that House, because another Minister might be ready to accept the responsibility of office. The Right Honourable Baronet, the Home Secretary, bad commenced his speech in what he (rsir. Disraeli) considered to he his right position. Whatever might be his (Mr. Disraeli's) opinion on the main question, he could have no doubt that the Minister of the Crown was to come forward and dilate on the enormity of crime, and also re mark that the prerogatives of the Crown should be delicately exercised. Nothing could be more just and politic than the position the Right Honourable Baronet as sumed and then dwelt upon. He (Mr. Disraeli) knew that a grave feeling prevailed amongst those around him with out conversing with them. It was difficult to answer the ques. thin put by the Right Hon. Baronet. It was a matter of surprise that her Majesty's Government had a fixed tet of opinions. The Right Hon. Baronet placed himself in a clear position, both in point of constitutional feeling, and he hoped he might say, in loyal sentiment of feeling, and yet at the last he says—" Preys me," (looking at the Hon. Member for Fins bury as if he (Mr. Duncombe) had discovered that he was of a squeezable nature ), " to bring forward this question on another occasion in another session perhaps in another Parliament, and I will treat you in a liberal manner ; at present, I wish that the exercise of mercy should be delicately arid discreetly used. Press the Crown and Ministry then. But although crime is enormous, the exercise of mercy may be necessary, and this House will be the last to interfere with it. Bring forward the motion, then ; and although we cannot be'ln a majority now, we shall know what to say to them." He (Mr. Disraeli) had voted for these men years ago, and, whatever might be the opinion now, he would not desert them. They had committed a great crime and had received a lenient punishment. The Government had only two courses—these men should be pardoned, or they should be punished as an example to society. If they were pardoned, it would be an encourage ment to others to feel that though they might be criminal the dsvine faculty of mercy was still exercised in this country. Sir J. Graham had said " Bring forward the motion again and I do not say that we will resist your appeal." What would be the result of that? It would be that, if these men were par doned by the remission of their punishment, one of the dearest qualities of the Crown, a quality attributed only to Majesty, would be exercised at a late period ; but would the people feel gratitude to the Crown ? No, they would only comment on the timidity of Government. For these reasons he would support the Honourable Member. if he persisted in coming to a division. He however proposed that he should be satisfied with bringing the question forward to pulaic attention and sympathy. The Crown might be in duced to view with mercy the conduct of these misguided men. If, however, the Hon. Member pressed to a division, he (Mr. Disraeli) should rote with him. Sir J. GRAHAM said that he was sorry that he had been misunderstood. The House would remember, that he had deprecated any interference with the execution of the sentence, and said, that the exercise of the prerogative of the Crown ought, in his opinion, to be dispensed with ; but at the same time, he would not be responsible for any advice to her Ma jesty, nor would he presume to attempt to place any limit to the prerogative of mercy. Mr. S. WORTLEY s al : l ,, that the Hon. Member had told them, that !tine years ago he had voted on this Ofteetion in f'.7our of these men, He (Mr, Si Wtith,ll. , ,y) was hat Surprised at the course now takenby the Hen; Member, in kiyin g tbe same vote. He doubted) hotleeithe ithliittheit the flusie would be swayed by the rciaehari 'Which seemed to influence the Hon. Member's Otillii. He could not think the House would feel it wAI just to the parties whose case was under eofleid4ratiofi, fit introduce into title , disclisSion the pirtY feelings of common debate and retteatks Of a per:sweat tehderi§y. Ills botiltl 4 fiot help thinkirst that it ?iiiS iinhaOiete it a .ieti iti . 'y .06. Member ; eh lit4f,t grounds, thought it r.ecessary to bring for- Ward a motion to interfere with the prerogatives of many. The Hon. Member would find that the niotion had tiaii Onsidereil with the greatest reseeh:t by th`ditt't t l sieh; s i ee opposed to it, tint it would vent little, advance his case if there was a feeling on the part of the people—( Heate hear)—for thb rgifiaSion of this sentences He could not Hneesik-e it core unfortunate in terrtiption to shh Course of that feeling than the course no* pressed, because by removing the atrocity of the crimes persons had comm i t t e d, i t intertlirpOith the plerbgetilre of mercy, and otetederrid it atilt shore difficult to be exercised in this t' ad. With regand to the representations made by the Hon. Member as to the state of public feelifig, tin this siibjeot, he (Mr. S. Wortley) begged leaVe to ditch from him. He believed that at (hit Mement, if the Crown were to exercise the, pteaogative of mercy towards these persons, it could hardly take a step more calculated to shriek public opinion, He wbtild fur ther say, that to remit the sentente of thee(' pe,rsofis *Mild be an act of gross injustice to neatly other minor eritnittalswhiese Mittel had beQn teminitted under eirthinstatieoh far Mitre deserving of rriercy s bat who had not received it. What was the nature of the crime that had been committed? The Hon. Member spoke of it as a tumult, but it was prepared for a week before. Would they take the case of Frost, Whose position had enabled him to exercise a great influence over the people ? The House had heard from the Hon. Member for Coventry what was the state of that part of. Walt's where Frost resided ? The Hon. Member had spoken of the act as the exercise of a particular right.—( Hear, hear.) Were they convinced that these personswere under the belief that they exercised a particular right--that they were under the impression that their right was inteefered with by law? Thistlewood had some such motive, and he struck at once at the highest apparent cause of the evil ; but the persons in his case were aware of the pur pose for which they were led. It was proved that Frost led his men to invest the town, and attack the military regardless of the misery he inflicted on the townspeople. What was the charge given to the jury by the Lord Chief Justice ? He asked the jury, did they believe that the prisoner had ill innocent intention, or a guilty intention? did be intend to resist the Queen's troops, and sacrifice the lives of his fellow subjects ? What was the answer of the jury ? He recollected the suggestion of his Learned Friend, and the ob servation of the Lord Chief Justice in passing sentence. The Secretary for the Home Department had referred to that trial, and he (Mr. S. Wortley) would also revert to it. The point left to the jury for their consideration was whether the intention was innocent, and whether they believed that only a harmless demonstration was intended, or that the intention was guilty from the first. The Lord Chief Justice declared that the verdict met with his entire concurrence ; that his learned brethren, along with him self, were all of the same opinion.—( Hear, hear.) It was clearly proved that Mr. Frost came into Newport at the head of many thousands with dangerous weapons, in order to take possession of the town, preliminary to a general insurrection throughout the country. (The Hon. Member here read an • extract from the evidence of one of the principal witnesses examined on the trial, to the effect that the object was to ex tend the insurrection all over England.) He (Mr. Wortley) believed that the disturbances in the north of Etteland were intimately connected with this motrement of Mr. Frost. He doubted if the outbreak in Yorkshire, especially that' ifi Sheffield, would have takers place, had it riot been for the proceedings at Newport. So strong was the °pillion, of not only the Noble Lord then at the head of the Home Depart ment, as well as Lord Melbourne, of the eltrerne attroliity of the sett of the leaders in this insurrection, that they were most unwilling to remit the sentence of deths whichwas the usual course in extreme eritnes, when th e Judges Were difidee iii opinion, as they were in the present case, on the point raised on behalf of the prisoners after the trial at Monmouth. It Wall only when strongly pressed that they yielded; . Thla,.*al the rise in which the 1: 190 'd t`;e:,::4lteu tipOn to so - iicii toe Z.7.;:0;„ . n ;cif the exercise of . clemency and mercy. -(Hear, hear.) This case, hi his qpiniori was not one calling fOr any especial isle terferehee; whit+ teas only to be eitereised in extreme .kias&s. It was not justifiable in the present instance, for the objection raised on behalf of the prisoners, and on which the Judges were diVided,no*brought forivard as an argument for the ekereiee of inere'ee was ptirely of a teelsinie'til Cliareieiselh It Ares ei edit of tlial too great indulgence of the Crown. Mr Maule, cn being strongly • 4 tida r e : fe . snS e co d eb7i. c f u ,e : tht a zo e nr opy or the tnatettnenT, in , - ,;, - ,..?r to enable the t. h i e s(' sa tl fs 4 re t tul d b eitd g b 6 y t i 4j aw ii . bi l k h i e g y took advantage t f a a g u e Of the iiiirgled enaritier in Which, the ihdicttnent hid been got ur, and rai se d th e tecnnical oiektioh. tiiiteliiedi he had referred, I et, on this point, the nrisoners had counsel of the rst letsal ability, and the eage ;4a3 eroded before ti‘a . ; fifteen Judges) where every consideration and attention *Ws paid to it; yeA the majority of the Judges decided against the object hen. If so; on what grounds could they now remit the sentence ? These par ties had been guilty of an offence of the gravest nature, the punish ment for which was the loss of life, and but for the technical error he had referred to would have been visited with the extreme penalty of the law. If, on any future occasion, any cause should be made out fur the exercise of mercy, God forbid that the House should stand in the way ; but he must say that on the present occasion, and in the case under consideration, there were no grounds for any special interference now.—(Hear. ) Mr. AGLIONBY express d his sorrow at the speech which had just been delivered by the Hon. and Learned Member. He (Mr. Aglionby) had wished that the Hon. Member for Finsbury, after the speech from the Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir J. Graham), had left the question in the hands of the Government, as that speech indicated that the course might yet be opened for the exercise of mercy ; but after hearing the last speech, he (Mr. Aglionby) coefessed the Honourable Member for Finsbury had a difficult course to pursue. He considered the Honourable Member for Shrewsbury must have misunderstood the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet. He (Mr. Aglionby) did not. tuiderstend the Right lien, Gentle. Plan aa.inviting violent discussion, but he understood him, tha n in opposing tho motion now; it did not shut, the door, of mercy or do away with hope as to hereafter.—( Hear, hear.) On this ground I c (Mr. Aglionby) did net wish the motion pressed to a division, but the question was placed on different grounds now; the country would read with regret the speech of the Hon. and Learned Member for Bute (Mr. Wortley), as the question was now raised not on mioute points of evidence, or the strict rule of justice, but on that of general policy. The totintry wad perfect , dyiet. tow; !mat a strong feeling existed among the population on this subject which ought not steabe neglected. The parties for whom mercy was now solicited, had suffered for the last six years punishment of the severest character; and; if he was correctly informed, their conduct in the colony had been suet], as to ead there] to a .re laxation in their favour. In fact, their conauct was stated to be excellent. Their release, therefore, would not at all inter fere with the public peace. In conclusion, he must say the Hon. Member for Finsbury was placed in a difficult position now, after the speech of the Hon. and Learned Member who last addressed the Hemas, thetth he (Mr. Agliontyy) confessed that, in the first instance, •he should have taken the advice of the Right Hon. Baronets and not press the matter further at present. Sir B. 11. INGLIS said that the lion. Member for Bute had represented the speech of the Hon. Member for Shrews bury as foil of acrimony and bitter feelinet, deal with that statement he dismissed it. But to that be (Sir R. H. highs) would venture to say, there was no expression in it of party feeling.--(lerinieal cries of " Hear, hear.") He repeated the expression that such wee the fact. The, lion. Member for Shrewsbury went no further than this, that the light which led astray was light from some other piece, if not from Heaven ; and that, after what had been dune in the North American colo nies, some consideration might be paid to the parties on whose I.ehalf was now sot e ht the exercise of mercy.—(Cries of " Hear.") Would arse os e deny that the traitors of Canada were demi-Vilma of more censidetatiitil tNati !hoe mihmina men? The man who had saved Canaria—Sir Fiancie Ilead—sticeee sive G everts silents had neglected, while the awe who had sup ported Papineau had been hononred. N. inn W2S more deep'y persuaded than he (Sir R. feats) was of the guilt of the three persons, whose case was then under e.-,nettieration, He had never voted for them before and be should not vote for them now. He had beers pleased with the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary for tiee Home Depart. merit, until the last part of it; *bitch deftlifily did not satisfy him. It seemed to Ishii to hold Met an ettecitragetritet for the repetition of this motion. lie (Sir .11. Inglis) hoped the Hon. Gentleman would withdraw th e mo ti on , but if he did not, he trusted that it would be rejseted by a large majority. Mr. WA KLEY could not see bow the Hon. Baronet was to be satisfied. He had commenced his Spaeth fey Complaining of the tone of the Hon. Member for Bute (Alm S. Wortley) and he (Mr. Wakley) therefore thought that the Hon. Ba ronet, overflowing with the milk of human kindness, was about to support the motion. But the Hon. Baronet went on in his criticism, and came to a review of two speeches, one that of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Home Secretary, and the other, the speech of the Right. Hon. Member for Edin burgh. Beth speeches pleased him, with the'exception of one portion ; and what portion was that? Why the one indica tion of a merciful and humane feeling on the part of the Right Hon. Baronet. Was that the position which the represent ative of the Church of England ought to assume in that House? He (Mr. Wakley) was most astonished and oh founded at the spectacle he had witnessed. He had supposed that the Hon. Baronet would be the first to advocate the merciful motion which had beers made, but he was mistaken. Now he would rejoice if he could bring back the feeling of the House to the impression which was created by the conclusion of the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet the Home Secretary. He ( Mr. Wakley) was at the time sitting by the side of his Hon. Colleague, and he then remarked to him that he feared subsequent discussion. He literally feared what would transpire during this debate. The Right Hon. Gentleman Wanted a rote of that House to justify him in keeping Frost and his cempanions expatriated. It was absurd to talk of the perogative of the Crown—it was, in fact, an appeal to the discretion of the Minister. It was the act of the Minister—and the Horne Minister; He considered that the Right lion. Gentleman had made a fair speech. There was nothing to complain of either in its tone or temper. It was what they might expect from a Seeretaty for the Home Department. The Right Hon. Baronet was placed in a situatisn of great reTonsibil:ty. lie had in a great measure the conservation of the country under his especial control. It Would be a eery great exercise of discretion on the part of the Home Secretary to teem - intend that persons charged with such offences and found guilty should be liberated and restored to their country.. His Hon. Friend had taken special care not to go into the merits of the question. His Hon. Friend deprecated such offences as those of which the parties had been found guilty. He spoke of them as cases of the worst character, and he realinded the House that out of a million of the petitioners who had addressed the House on the subject, none of them attempted to justify the conduct of Frost and his companions, but the millions of petitioners were of opinion that if the prisoners had been in a higher station of life, and had had money at theif diepdsal4 and had carried their case to another House, they would never have been transported.—(Cries of " Oh, oh.) He was only speak ing of what was the opinion of the petitioners, and what was the impression Which universally prevailed. They all knew what was the decision upon technical grotinde, Which was come to about four years ago in another place. What was the state of the country no w P Was there Sedition abroad ? Were there any signs of rebellion—was there discontent to any great extent? No nothing of the sort; but if there were public commotion, and public agitation and discontent, all of them would immediately say, "Why you. are absolutely encouraging rebellion ay calling back these men." This then in his opinion was ths period for the Crotty to exercise—er rather for the Right Hon. • Gentleman to exercise— his discretion. The Speeches however he had heard this night had thrown new difficulties in the way; and he.found in that House the bitterest enemies of Priest ! Jont= e d William 4. Did Hon. Gentlemen recollect that the Worthing people had no repre sentatives in that House ? That was a feet they never would remember. Millions were flaking for the liberation of three men whom they beliered had hebn tirilatvfiully transported. Well then, he asked, was there never to be any concession to popular feeling in that House? Were they elways resolved to treat the petitions; of the people With indifference contempt, and scorn? In his o pi n i on th ey were absolutelyl en dangering the existence . of the constitution and the country by stieli a course of Protieeding. The Heme Secretary was now relieved trom his reSpensibili'y by the speeches of the Hon: Ildronet the Member. for Werth the Mid. and Leeatied• Merlsber for Bute, and the Right Hon. Member for Edinburgh. He (Jr. Wakley) felt that it Would be no advantage to prolong this discussion, and he therefoae retoinied his Seat by imploring the Right Hon, Baronet the Secretary for the Horne Deportment, not to care oae straw for ]shat lion. Gentlemen had said, Wild Were de- W‘oiiS of esteiticlini fioni the Cotint4 tfacie tiefortiniate men. He called them unfortunate, for he considered all unfortu nate. He begged him again to consider the case, with re ferentie to .the legal objection that was taken on the trial, and maintain the principl e , that 4 .4 tieheaea a def..bt ertisted, the benefit of tts,rt doubt should be given to the accused. .11/1•• G.W. HOVE said the lion. Baronet, the Member for Oxford, had stated that al., persona t'onvieted of rebellion in Canada had beers permitted to ierive honours by the Govern meht or the bourittl. Nova t e assured his Hon. Friend that such was not toe Cited. nd ptiesoile convicted of being engaged in that yehellion had beenemployed at alt. The lead neesdess ,botineeted sii 4 th. that. rebellion had.. undoubtedly been alloWed to retu r n to ineir tei 4 niiin They returned under no special pardon of the Crown, they returned under a flaw in the Mode of pfaceeding, by which' the conviction war held hot to be availitilt: agalitit thorn. There visa no pardon, therefore, asked for, a n d o f course no par d on wa s granted. Lord JOHN MANNERS thought there was an erroneous ittpreaSion abroad, that the o pi n jons of the unfranchised were tKeted with contempt by ttigt iiettsui bait he warts sure that various arguments which had been tiled, and the speeches wnich had been spoken on that occasion, would convince people out of doors that there *as no indisposition on the part of Parliament to listen personally to the representatiens of those eletssest His chief object in rising, however, was to express his regtet at a considetathe porticin of the able and eloquent spete re eh of the Hon. Member fo r Edi n b urg h. isle (Lord J. Matrigers) did not know whether it arose from a peculiar orga . isation of his own mind ; but he had an impression that a re °mime to historical facts tended to promote the principles of Chartism rather than to militate against them. But the Hon. Member for the city of Edinburgh, after eloquently denouncing the crime of which these unfortunate men had been found guilty, proceeded to say, that it fell very little short of the crimes committed against the State in past ages. The comparison, however, in his opinion was decidedly too severe, and certainly the crime which these unfortunate men had committed would by no means justify such a punishment as being hanged, drawn, and quartered, which was the punishment inflicted upon offenders against the state in times gone by. Mr. MACAULAY explained that he never thought of con veying to the House the impression that he was favourable to such a mode of punishment. Lord J. MANNERS continued—At all events, the /light Hon. Gentleman drew no distinction betwsen the offence of Mr. Frost and that of state criminals, of a former age. That House, last year, voted a sum of money as a tribute to the memory of Hampden. Now, what did Hamp den do ? Why, that gentleman, like Mr. Frost, levied war agair:st the constituted authorities of the country. Many people said Hampden's cause was a perfectly legitimate one, but that was a question of opinion. There were many who thought Mr. Frost's case a perfe''ly legitimate one. He would go further than even many Gentlemen in that House, who were prepared to vote money towards erecting a statute to Oliver Cromwell—(Cheers)—for the purpose of encouraging the efforts of future generations.—(Cheers.) Now, he pro tested against this system of palliating the conduct of regicides in one age, and dealing harshly with' the conduct of those wl'o excited rebellion in another—it was a dangerous and fatal of the Honourable policy, a policy to which he Could never lend himself. He was prepared to oppose any such proposition as that to which he had alluded, and in all consistency he was of the policy shown in House, Crown. The Hon that there was a strong justified r i f n or n o v t in sb voting ury. _ for ( the lle a r p , r 1 i p e o a s r i; . 1 0 n Sir 11. PEEL said that nothing more than the speech of his Hon. Friend behind him had tended to confirm his impression u t illegal, th e legality l i h t y a had that the ep sen tence, r t 3. of the fatal consequences which must result from a discussion, thesin, e populara mexbeori eti es exercise l,_(.)ilf assembly stbhuer y prerogativesi l i i a k d e d t e h c a l a t re H d o o u f im pression among ellions of their fellow -subjects that the sen been possessed of wealth, it would have enabled him to appeal to the House of Lords, who would have overruled it. But t s e t n iie b l e y p i a f si t e h d et u i p:n ef A e f a r. that Irene Was not the proper tribunal to decide it, But the C,; - 2wn had take, every opportunity of obtaining the. - Ad cert . , ainly there was ti , lethal a9l e urn this pen. ' • _es, . , c 0 informality -4.2 proceedings to nothing on toe ghtlnd ,of , in _ Austify a remission of the pe.nirlirrient. But, sa id' : ,,,2 Hon ; clentleman, is there to be no concesslnn to popular feeling : ~ q F ue r s o t s i t on wa a s ho Most eel tiinlj , /lON in a ease of this kind, where the popular 1 opinion was altogathei dr iiiiiee43. If that impression Was an improper one, or was decidedly utljtitt ; that House ought to resist it i whatever might be the number of persons who pre kt!!!,tt OtitiOnt r in its favour. The question then fit them to conshier was iri!, introelp was this popular impression a ewree One or not? tot bie part he was decidedly 6: opinion that it Was intorrett, He was net founding than e i linion upon any impression of his, own but upon the decision LI 414 highest legal authority. -The Whole of the 15 Judges h a d coni:dered this question, and had dethied ciiiain4 it. The judgment had been delivered by a wan witocil at t;ili v v 3 , was the most forbearing and the most •t..„ disposed to give a prisoner ..... benefit of any doubt or advan iaoc in his favoui—he meant Lord Chief Justice Tindal—and, in fact, the whole of the 15 judges were:mfluenced by a sine,.'re desire to give the pilzatters every advantage. The Judges de cided against the allegation relating to the informality of the delivery. But they not only decided upon this point they went further, and considered what the effect would have been had delivery been taken at the proper time. the informality of the Now; what would have been , he effect, in point of law, of the e proper h ' time? objection, urged had it been taken at ..... would i Would t have it have been the remission of the sentence, -_ • , been the delivery of the prisoners from all p , ,,. -Ltsnme c t r it ? Not at all. It would merely have had the e..,et of postponing the trial, in order that the Crown might I have an opportunity of correcting the informality , and 1 serving the notices according to law. But the Judges decided that the conviction was, upon the whole, a perfectly good one, and therefore the Crown had a perfect right to carry it into effect. Tow, he apprehended he was correctly stating the legal decision of the Judges upon this case. This poptilar impression, then, of the millions was erroneous, and it was the province of the Howe, notwithotanding the pyti*s vilac it --- had been presented, to resist it. Nothing could be mord eels; versive of the first principles of the administration of the law, than that the House should bend to copular opinion in a nutter of theh kind—that . popular opinion being at the same time founded upon wroiig and erretteons gr ounds. The Hon. Member for Finsbury did not wish to throw :eel impediment in the way of the Crown; and he went so far as to admit that it would have been left mere-free and open in the exercise of its prerogative had that dtscuesion not takcn place. Why, that would be the natural result of the di-cession, for it was aitteulS to erclude party considerations from discus siens of this nature ; and the debate would rather prejudice than prove of adVantage to these unfortunate men. Some allusion had been made to the insurrectionists of Canada. Now what had they to do in this disciissien with Canada? In that case there were no im pediments to the exercise of the free pardon of the Crown, and it only showed that the Crown had not been Indisposed to exer-, cise its prerogative when it could do so without subverting the ends of justice. Now he could not invite t` .e lien. Gentleman to withdraw this motion, nor hold out any hopes of a comero mite. He thought the Crown ought not to retire from aidis cussien of that kited with any sort of understanding, ex pressed or implied, as to the course it would hereafter take. He thought it ought to be left unfettered ie its discretion When his Right lion. Friend would not undertake to say that under no circumstances and at no time the mercy of the Crown should not he extended to those unfortunate men, he did not itoend to influence the Hon. Gentleman in the course he might think proper to adopt. The debate upon this subject ought to close in its being distinctly understood that the Crown was under no obligation whatever to take any other course than that which the ends of strict justice might dictate. If the House persisted in carrying this question to a diri thin, he maintained that the relationship of the Crown to the House would he inverted.—(Hear, bear.) It would be most difficult for the Crown to exercise its prerogative if the House of Commons sh mld arrogate to itself the power by the Motion before the House. And what would be their con dition? In this case Frost was a man of property—a man of intelligence —Greer, hear)—a man who stood in a special relation to the' Crown, having been intrusted with a Corn- • missien for the preservation of the public peace ; and if the House acre to act in compliance with the petitions that were presented to it in such eases, they would be placing themselves in a very awkward position with regard to the Crown—they would, in fact, be attempting to deprive the Sove reign of the prerogative of mercy. And he could hardly dAteire a case in which the House of Commons might tiet tie Wartanted in a similar interference, if they agreed to the motion of the Honourable Member for Finsbury. He had no wish to bring the facts relating to Frost before the . House, because the very bringing of those facts by the Minister of the goeernment appeared to bring an impediment in the exercising of the prerogatives of mercy by the Crown, but in this case it was hut right that the facts should be brought under the consideration of the Honourable Members'; and what were those facts? That a magistrate made an attack upon a peaceable -town with a number of armed men, which attack was the signal for ail innovation by the multitude. The pub alinedbtrhidegestwopapsatgoeboefthati-oewmnado urns osen id , the mail i mf was to be stopped, dicated by the burn ing of the town of Newport, which was in hhe possession of rebels, against the authority of the Crown, end that after six years' imprisonment, the House of Common; was to come forward and petition the Crown to exercise its prerog:h tives. He should deprecate the establishment of a precedent t, that.—(Hear, hear.) If the Hon. Gentleman the 'Mem ber for Finsbury thought fit, in his good sense, after what had been said, not to press his motion to a division, he must not suppose that the Government had now entered into any obliga tion whatever, passive or implied, with respect to the future exercise of the prerogative of mercy by the Crown. He agreed with his Right Hon. Friend, that that must be left to the Crown ; and he thought that it would not be wise, either in the discussion or in the division, to hold out any expectation of mercy.—(Hear, hear. ) Mr. M. PH [LIPS said he had not intended to say a word in common with the subject, but as several numerously signed petitions in favour of the present motion had been forwarded to him from the town which he had the honour to represent, he thought that after what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Finsbury (not then in his place), he should not be justified if he did not make a few remarks. He denied, that in taking the course he was bound to take in reference to the motion of the Hon. Member for Finsbury—that was to say, that in voting against his proposal, that he was treating with scorn the peti tions of the people. He had no such intention. His (Mr. Philips's) belief was, that in his judgment he was right in the position which he was about to take with respect to this case. He might be wrong, and so might they, and he denied that in voting contrary to their petition, that he was, treating them with scorn, contempt, and derision. He denied every one of those imputatlods in Coto. He had merely risen in order to justify himself in those expressions, because he conceived that they were made without any proper foundation. With regard to the justice of the sentences, he considered the security of the public peace required that they should be carried into execu tion and not be altered. In conclusion. he would say, he believed that there were several Hon. Members in that House, who, whilst they intended voting against the motion, had not the slightest hitentiott to treat the petitioners with scorn.— (Cries of " Divide, divide. ; ') Mr. P. HOWARD hoped that the Hoe. Member for Finsbury Wottici riot insist upon a devision.—( Hear, hear.) He trusted that lie would be satisfied with having brought the case, with his tistial ability, before the House , and he ( Mr. Howard) thoiiiht that the House would tee of opinion that that Hon. Member would not be stdeancing his caie by forcing the House to what would appear an adverts dieition,---( Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Howard) had been entrusted with a peti tion which had been numerously signed, and prayed for the release of did individuals rained by the Hon. Member. He yr illinglY hire tribete to the becoming and decorous man ner in which the working' cleeses had advocated their case ; they had entered into no coniiiinetions ; they had in the most decorous manner demanded (tom the rnayei' di' Cetlisle the use of the town-hall for the purpose of holding a meeting to alit 't it netition, praying her Majesty to order the release of Frost, Williams, &it', greses, Their peaceable conduct in Otte advocacy of their case was worthy of the greatest praise. Fie thought, that from the very fact of their not hey ing a direct . repreeehtation in that House, their petitions should, in the words of his Noble Friend, be treated with at tention atici respect. But deeming that it was not proper for that House to Mt-effete between the Crown and the ex ercise of its prerogatives, exettit PI very extraordinary casts, he could not give his support to the metien of the Honourable Member for Finsbury (Mr. Wakley). He flits anxious to say so much to the House for the purpose of showing that he did not treat the opinions and wishes of petitioners to that House tali disrespect, and for the purpose of bearing at the same time- a tribute to the otderly conduct which now dis tinguished the working classes of this ceuntty. He wished also to say that of all the petitions which he had seen bearing upon this question, there was not one in which the petitioners did not express their abhorrence of those crimes of which Frost, Williams, led Jones had been convicted, and it was only because they conceived that those persons had undergone con siderable punishment, that they supplicated for the mercy of the Crown. He quite agreed with hle d'idble Friend, that it cyanid be extraordinary for that House, at the same time that they condemned modern conspirators, to erect anything lik e a memorial to Oliver Crom well, who had assisted in bringing his Sovereign to the block. —( Hear, hear.) He had risen for the purpose of chewing that he entertained sincere respect for the opinions and feelings of the working classes of this country ; but, as he had before said, as this motion went so far as to Interfere with the Crown's prerogative, he should be obliged to vote against the Hon. Member for Finsbury.—(Cries of " Hear, hear," and" Divide, divide.") The Hon. Member proceeded , amid loud cries of "Divide, divide," to state that he considered the Commons of England, if they refuted to grant the request of the peti tioners, would at lest have treated them with respect. Lord J. RUSSELL would say a few words with reference to the speech of his Hon. Friend who had set down, and other Members who had taken a similar line of argument, and had found fault with his Honourable and Learned Friend the Member for. Bute, for stating circumstances which seemed, in his opinion, and in the opinion of other Hon. Members of this House, adverse to a favourable consideration of the subject by that House. He considered that it was quite impossible to dis cese SIT Motion of this kind without considering what was the nature of the, tiffenee he was committing. It was quite impos sible that Hon. Member; sort and not stata upon the one hard those circumstances which they thought tended to extenuate t.:::! should enter into a debate of thil crime ; and upon the other hand those circumstances which, in tne !minion of other Hon. Members, would make it inconsistent with the : I . ll ' ties of the prerogative of the Crown to chow any extension of mercy. Was that a desirable cottrse 7 It was impossible on the one hand to avoid a discussion which must bring out the unfavourable circumstances of the case ; end, upon the other hand, was it desirable that Parliament should he considered as adverse to the extension of mercy by the introduction in the debate of circumstances tending to aggravate the crime. The Hon. and Learned Member for Bute had stated circumstances, as far as he remembered, most fatally. He felt himself obliged to state (and this was one of the in conveniences of this sort of debate), that except for the differ ence of opinion of the Judges upon d technical point, the Home ' Secretary of that time (Lord 'Norraanby) had seen no reason why the panithment of death should not be inflicted on the prisoners ; he thought it necessary, however, it being a great question of State, and not a mere ordinary case of criminal law, totconsult the opinions of his colleagues, and lay the ease before the judges. He (Lord John Russell) did not recollect, ex cept in one point,. that there was any difference of opinion among the Judges as to the justice of the punishment. He felt obliged to say this much, because his Hon. and Learned o the t Y 0 eu4xgc i :Ir:et sw. forward 7 bua ly thatri dd te hh,:sea,i, . via perfectly atiifico ; he Friend the Member for Bute, had been censured for expressing that opinion. His Hon. Friend the Member for Edinburgh (Mr. Macaulay) had also been censured for making a similar statement of his opinion ; he must say that some extraordinary misunderstanding seems to have been made with reference to his Hon. Friend, by his lion. and Noble Friends the Members for Shrewsbury and Ikleivark ( Mr. Disraeli and Lord J. Manners), What his Hon. Friend', said was, that there might be a ease where the punishment was excessive, and in that case Parlia ment might interfere, and he gave for example the Monmouth rebellion. It was well known that in that case three' or four hundred persons were executed, and among the rest a lady ad vanced in years, not because she had been instrument:A in fo menting the rebellion, hut because she had harboured and given refuge to one of the parties. In cases of such extreme cruelty and injustice he (Lord John Russell) could c.?nceive Parliament were bound to interfere. When Hon. Gentlemen would interfere in a case of this description, he begged them to recollect that the laws of this country were executed with mercy ; they were living under a constitution to only whisk question, tyranny then, wes to ot consider least a s stranger.—( a a n s ,et whethere T. — ( Secretary of State—the adviser of the Crown. For ihis part, theykind wouldcould be il G t b disposede better of in le a f t t to t popular he a m ss il a e t m e u ga b r ur i e y:, h p. tie :oi! i : o ; w: o h f o , i tyr th h t h i e a l e e r t hej wished to .oppose no obstacle to the considerat ion he thought it was the duty of the Secretary of State to A ive it. But all these circtunstances might be more impartially consi dered in that manotor than if discussed in a popular r wanner i i : a debate in Farhat sent, where some Members won Id take lenient, a n p d rt . i o p t o h i e it r i s on a m of ore tb a e gg fi ra o v n at . ed m v o i m ew b o -r f the r case.vote 1 ot e mote against' 7t e e those rest , en, and those only, he would g ive his '5( 3ERTON perfectly concurred .in the , opinion expressed by the Noble Lord, who had just sath town. agreed with' the opinion expressed ley the F H i e nz oa b lr u sd r o y. pe r Right Host. Baronet, at Cle head of the Government , that such'subjects as the present. were not fit matters for disk ussion. Mr. 'l'. DUNCONIBE c telsidered that he had been hardly dealt with in the course of this t debate. It had been s aid by fe FRANCIS Hon. Members, that the present ethetior . would be an it rterfer ence with the prerogative of the Crown. ; Why was that Fort N i : n ' hdY, was h e it principle oot exh ex ib h i i t b e i d te d w f b o o r o th h e i s first li t o i o m . e li d i s L evening? Il ed m o tion three years ago, moving ex. it to extend a full and free pardon's o all the jel ei tober ..for Bath (Mr. Roebuc itt hborrortglehtadfdores.:rdto the Crown, prayinet as then. said ale:Celt inter- Canadian rebets ? Not one word f a v,, t • o - - `" ---ve fire -work to be discharged or beought a pleyehinr— or . a - Minister ? Hon. Members 'heard for war at the Avill of the fering 2 with f ththeopererroowgoalve of ls t i h t e ' ,o Cr b osv e n k . e • pt W a h s at a in b tts a was netb'ng nothing ' said then_ about the improper conduct hisbTer—e of this prerogative they t.—(Hear, h o e r ar.. e ) ctio T e h_er t e o o f t h e Onister, either _ t, word or - rse.t ey rebels? It wat, .? express or Hon. ' Ld earnee h would pursue advising the Crown. Why the determination inof ae .. advisers of the Crown rood Ili reference up on th t a ot occasionthe what - I Friend knew A t hat would be the result, and Ministers of that day. His , he said 0 the as to the cc:t ill : ll'l'Y wtoallsrinoot would this be er. !Mr! they would be released, and he would not therefore trouble the tiouse with any further remarks. And, continued the' Hon. Al embet, eltrybody in the country knew there would be a release, and they were released. All he. asked was that the same weight and measure si,C9ltl be dealt out to the inhs of Wales as to the French Canadians'. He considered h abitant s Ife had been unfairly treated by the Hon. .7`nd Learned Member for Bute, vilia had dwelt upon the aggravation 6! the case. The Learned Solicitor-General, he thought, might a:.slrex, hi m well upon this point. But did he (Mr. Dancombe) press interfe renee of Parliament upon the merits of the case. He saLl at the outset that neither he nor the petitioners believed the con duct of the parties to be right. He said they were guilty of a grsat crime—he said, and the millions who had signed the pe titions had said, t hat these parties had already received sufficient punishment. Their conduct has been most exemplary in the colony to which they have been sent. The Hon. and Learned Member for Bute had left him (Mr. Duncombe) no option in consequence of his sanguinary and blood-thirsty speech. He said that they could not commit a greater outrage on public opinion than to release those parties. He denied that state ment. Had the Hon. Member seen the petition from Leeds which he bad presented to the House that evening, signed by 34,000 persons, headed by the Vicar of Leeds (Dr. Cook) by twelve members of the Town Council, and by the Board of Guardians ? He considered that the petition emanating from Leeds expressed the general feeling of the whole country. He begged to state that Sir Thomas Philips received no severe wounds whatever ; he had cut his finger in the room of an inn, but he ventured to state that he received no gun-shot or sabre wound, which would entitle him to receive a pension from the country. In conclusion he must say, in justice to the peti tioners who had entrusted. him with the care of their wishes, and believing chat the general feeling of the humane wts in favour of mercy, he would feel it his duty to take the sense of the House upon his motion. Mr. OUTAVIUS MORGAN begged to correct a state ment of the Honourable Member—Sir Thomas Philips had been wounded. Mr. HOPE begged to c )nfirm the statement of the Hon. Member for Monmouthshire—be had been wounded_by,a gun shot wound. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the motion ... 31 Aglinst it . Majority against the motion —l6s CASE OF MR. KINDER. Mr. MARK PHILIPS rose to bring forward his motion, which was one, he respectfully said, demanded the attention of the House, in order to prevent the merchants of this country from having their commercial affairs improperly interfered with. All he asked for was to produce the documents which her Majesty's Government had received respecting the decision which the Mexican Government had come to respecting the claims of Mr. Kinder. If those papers were produced he would not wish to say another word on the subject, but it was certainly, in his opinion, a very unjust decision, and he thought that the Government should interfere, as the justice of Mr. Kinder's claims were very strong. He asked for the produc tion of those papers from no selfish motives or grounds, but his constituents had an interest, whose property was involved, and he thought a case had been made out for the production of those papers, for the purpose of satisfying the country. ge simply asked for the production of those papers without wishing to enter into any extraneous matter. He wished for tho ;: euments in a national point of view as well as in a commerem: Dint, and be would not say one word more, but simply read his 1. ,: , ?ti0n, which was to the following effect : r -nesentations by Richard Pakenham, Copies of ell reports or rj Esq., her Majesty's 11finist: in Mexico, on which her Majesty's Secretary of state fur For. Affairs has founded7l. the decision Le has given on the application s of Mr. Thomas Kinder. on the , Sir R. PEEL said that the Hon. Gentleman ca li e 4 Government to interfere with a question of international , The facts were simply these :—Mr. Kinder called on the Mexican Government to decide the point, and the decision was against him ; and, according to every principle of inter national law, there was no ground on which the British Government could interfere, which was laid down by the highest authority in the land, His Noble Friend the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs consulted the highest authority, and his decision on the evidence was that there was no claim on the Mexican Government for reparation. As he said before, his Noble Friend the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs came to the same decision that the Court of Justice had come to, that the claims of Mr. Kinder were inadmissible. Mr. M. GIBSON said that, in his opinion, the Right Hon. Baronet was not at all satisfactory. The Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs did not say that Mr. Kinder had no claim be cause the decision of the Mexican Government was against him. If the Right Hon. Gentleman had founded his ease ripen the sentence pronounced against Kinder in Mexico, he thought that a case might be adduced exactly similar, when the Duke of Wellington had interfered. The answer of the Secretary of State was not, however, founded on a foreign tribunal, but upon the representation of a Minister of State. It was not an uncommon case, he contended, for the Government to interfere where a private individual felt aggrieved in reference to affairs of a like description. Mr. Pakenham may have been misled, and if Kinder had the report before him, he could be able at least to see the grounds on which the decision given against him was founded. Mr. Kinder was a man of integrity and intelligence, and he thought his case was one where the Government of this country should interfere with the Government of Mexico. He saw no reason why Mr. Kinder should not be told the grounds upon which his claim was resisted ; arid he, therefore, contended that the papers moved for ought to be laid upon the table of the House. After a few words from Mr. FORSTER, and Mr. SCOTT, Sir ROBERT PEEL said the Hon. Gentleman had made a long,peech on his view of this subject, and he did not think it quite fair that such views of the case should be carried out. He wished to make an objection to the decisions of the Mexican tribunals, and he hoped the House would not sanction such a thing. This was a question whether we should inter fere with the decision of the Mexican courts, and he was firmly of opinion that no such interference should take place. He should like to know what their courts of justice would say if a Mexican subject were to ask the Government of his coun try to interfe with the legal decisions of this country? We had enough trpen our bands sejtbout doing this; and he did again hope that the House would not interfere with the decisions of another country. Stsppose that a Mexican subject were to call upon the Government of his country to interfere with our Minister for Foreign Affairs—Lord Asserdeen—what would be the feeling here? He trusted the Hous. would not sanction the proposed interference by the Hon. Member. Mr. M. GIBSON wished to state that Lard Aberdeen had founded his opinion upon Mr. Pakenham': report. Mr. M. PHILIPS said that when they bad the assurance they had just heard in reference to this affair, he could but feel satisfied, bat he at the manse should say that this was no matter of minor importance. It involved the purchase of an estate to the amount of 40,0001., besides which the purchaser had to pay other dues into other hands. If those were the facts, he could not tell why the correspondence of Mr. Packenham should not be laid ttprs the table. Sir R. PEEL said that that was the very point he differed from the Honourable Member upon. Interference was de- manded, and the answer of the Queen's Advocate was, that this country should not interfere. li:sder those circumstances, the papers could not be laid upon the table. The motion was then withdrawn. FRAUDULENT VOTES AT ELECTIONS. Mr. NEWDEGATE said he would not trespass upon the House at this late hour of the night with this subject, but that he bad attempted to de so several times before without effect. His motion was to this effect—to appoint a " Select Coi;=" mittee to inquire into an alleged organized and extensive sys• tern of fraudulent suid vexatious objections to the votes of a great number of duly qualified electors for the Northern Di vision of Warwick - shire, the Northern Division of Staffordshire, and certain divisions of other counties." Mr. AGLIONBY hoped the Hon. Member would not press his motion at this late hour of the night, far there ought to be some consideration for Hon. Members who were obliged to at tend Committees all day and this House at night. Mr. NEWDEGATE said that if Hon. Members thought proper to adjourn the motion, they could do so. Mr. C. BULLER assured the Hon. Gentleman Ofr. Newdegate) that the object of his motion would not be attained without a warm debate ; and he therefore felt it would be more convenient for all parties that for the present the question should not be brought on.—( Hear, hear.) Sir G. GREY gave notice of his intention to move an amendment to the effect, that the full question be opened on inquiry. Sir ROBERT PEEL having also expressed himself in favour .ef a postponement of the question at that late hour, Mr. [itt;:s said that he thought it would be better in this case not to name iny particular Committee, but to inquire into the subject generally. Sir W. JAMES entirely !Incurred in the suggestion of the Hon. Member for Montrose. ' Sir R. PEEL said that thoue: lie thought the registration laws required amendment, yet too n ai,:eh burden should net be laid on the improvement at first. Mr. C. BULLER then agreed to withdratee his proposed amendment. After some further discussion, The question that a Select dommittee be appointed to file quire into the subject generally was put and carri ed. Mr. SPOONER then moved the House should take into consideration the petition of Joshua Toulmin Smith (presented sth March). Mr. HUME moved that an humble address be presented to her Majesty for copy of an order in council, dated the 7th day of September 1838, for regulating within the colonies of British Guiana, Trinidad, St. Lucia, and Mauritius, re spectively, the relative rights and duties of masters and servants. Copy of a circular dispatch addressed by Lord Glenclg to the Governors of the Legislative Colonies in the West Indies, dated the 15th day of September, 1838, transmitting copies of the said order in counsel, dated the 7th day of September, 1838. Copy of an order in council, dated Dec. 9th, 1841, abrogating so much of the order in council, dated the 7th of September 1838, as relates to contracts of service _inode u n r u n a p r 3; e. th of Copy of an order in counc il, dated the 4 da y 1813, abrogating so much of the order in council, of t.le' s 7th day of September , 1839, a relates to contracts servtee made in North America. —Agreed to. COAL WHIPPERS' BILL. This Bill was read a second time. SUPPLY. The report of the Committee of Supply was brought up and received. WAYS AND MEANS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he in tended to propose that the House do resolve itself into a Com mittee of the whole House to-morrow, in order to take the usual vote, so as to pass the Ways and Means' Bill before the end of the month. METROPOLITAN BUILDING (No. 2) BILL. The report of this Bill, after a few words from Mr. FOSTRIL aglinst its provisions, and an explanation fiom Sir J. GRAHAM, was brought up and received, and the third reading fixed for that day week. SOUTH-SEA COMPANY BILL. This Bill passed through Committee. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at One o'clock. The public are specially informed that a few days will complete the entire range of E. Moses and Son's new pre mises in Aldgate and the Minories, and that duo notice will be given of the day of opening. M iNUFACTURING WAGES.—From statistical returns officially sought from and rendered by the Messrs. Nicoll, the Court Drapers, of Regent-street, who have lately intro duced a new description of cloth into this country, entirely manufactured with Llama wool, it would appear that " an extra and liberal payment of wages has induced a corres ponding and remunerative exertion on the part of the opera tives at the loom ; that such rise of wages, more especially in the West of England, was rendered necessary in the irst place by the great and unexpected demand for this peculiar fabric—a deiliand principally raised by the recommendations it at once obtained from the faculty; and that, as it was found that the men themselves, encouraged by liberal wages and short hours, took more than an ordinary interest in the suc cess of the greater development of luch novelty, the high rate of wages has been continued, and the result is that almost daily evidence of improvement in this new branch of cloth-making is observable." It is likwise a fact of more national importance, that the orders to the Messrs. Nicoll the for the Llama cloth are proportiona bl y .far gre . ter from Continent than in England. PRICE OF SALDION IN THE NORTII.—The Duke of Richmond's salthen on the Spey arc selling at the high price of 2s. 6d. to 3s. a pound in the neighbourhood of the fishing grounds. Sir R. Peel's late tariff has in no way diminished the value of this noble p~h.-liens at-i 4 Ourfer. FIFTH REPORT from the SELECT COMMITTEE ON RAILWAY BILLS CLASSI FICATION. The Select Committee appointed for the Classification of Railway Bills, according to the Resolutions adopted by the House, and who are empowered to report from time to time, have further con sidered the several matters referred to them, and agreed to report as follows: Your Committee have had it represented to them by the solicitor for the London, Bristol, and South Wales Direct Bill, that the Corn pany promoting that Bill have abandoned so much of their line as connected Chippenham with the Aust Passage over the River Vevern, that it. no longer forms a line of communication with Smith Under these circumstances, your Committee recommend be removed from Group No. 31, and pl ace d i n G roup ono Iti in tonne with the London, Newbury, and B a th li ne , an d he 13erks attrl Hants line, with which, as now curtailed, it corn petes. Nt t Your Committee recommend that the following Bills bo referred to a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 3G. Wakefield, Pontefract, and Gook, and Port, &c. Goole and Doncaster. Wakefield, rontefract, and Goole Railway (dletlasy, Askern, and Oakenshaw Branches). • Hull and Barn9ley Junction. York and North Midland (East Riding Branckcs, NOS. I and 2). Malton and D111130(1 Junction. Newcastle and Parllngton Junction (Thirst and Malton Branches). Your Committee recommend that the following Bills be refuted to a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 37. Horbury Bridge and Calder. Midland, Barnsley, Sheffield, Dewsbury, Leeds, and Bradford. - Sheffield, Rotherham, Barnsley, Wakefield, Huddersfield, and Goole. South Yorkthlre, Huddersfield and Shen , ld Junction (Darfleld Branch). Midland Railway (Dari l eld, Elsecar, and other Branehe3). Sheffield, Ashton, and Manchester (Barnsley Branch). Manchester, Huddersfield, ;Ind Great Grimsby Direct. Your Committee further recommend that the Worsborongh Bra=ll of the Sheffield, Ashton, and Minchcster Railway (Dukentleld and Worsborough, and Glossop Branch', and Sheffield Station), be pro. vi led for in a separate Bill, and reft.rred -to this group (No. n). Your Committee recommend that the following Bills be refertvl to a distinct Committee:— GROUP, No. ;S. Leeds Central Station. Leeds, Dewsktry, and Manchester (Deviations and Branches). • Leeds and Bradford (Alteration of Levels). Leeds and Bradford (Junction at Bradford). West Riding 'Union. Leeds, Dewsbury and Manchester (Wakefield Extension). • Bradford, Wakefield, and Midland. Leeds, Wakefield, and - Midland Junction. Liverpool and Leeds Direct. Huddersfield and Manchester (Bradford Branch). Your Committee recommend that the following Bills be referred to a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 39. Manchester and Leeds (Railway Extension, &c.) Vudderstield and Manchester (Oldham Branch). Oldham District. Oldham, Liverpool, Manchester, and Birkenhead Junction. North and South Junction (Halifax to Kele]ley). Huddersfield and Manchester (Cooper Bridge Braach). Yon; Committee recommend that the following Bills be referred to a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 40. Leeds and Bradford (Guiseley Branch). Lancashire and Yorkshire (North-Eastern). York and Lancaster. Leeds and York. Leeds, York, and Midland Junction. • • York and North Midland (Leeds Extension). North Western. Your Committee, recommend that the following Bills be referred to a distinet Committee GROUP, co. 41. Blackburn and Preston. East Lancashire (Deviaticas and Branches). Liverpool and Bury (Branches). Manchester, Bolton, and Bury (Canal Navigation and Railway). Preston and Wyre (Longridge Junction). Blackburn, Darwen, and Bolton. North Union (Branch to Horwich and Wilderwood), two 808. Preston and Wyre Extension, and Darwen Junction. Manchester and Bury Atmospheric. m i ,:ichester, Bolton, and Bury, and Canal Navigation. N or th rnion Railway. • Blackburtt, Preston, and Eastern Lancashire Amalgamation. r n andn, r l re Harbour, Railway, and Dock Company. r l a a c s k t o bu r Your Committee recommend that the following Bills be referred to a distinct Committe: pßoup, No. 42. Liverpool, Preston, Manchesi.:r, and Southport. Liverpool, Ormskirk, and Presto. West Lancashire. Blackburn, Chorley, and Liverpool. - Your Committee recommend that the following Bills be referred to a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 43. Leeds and Thirsk (North-Eastern Extension). Fast and West Yorkshire Junction. Leeds and Thirsk (Nidderdale Dale). York and North Midland (Whitby and Picketing Extension). Great North of England (Bedale Branch). Great North of England (Boroughbridge Branch). Leeds and Thirsk (St. Helen's Deviation). your Committee recommend that the following Bills' be referred to a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 44. LancashiOt and North Yorkshire. • Liverpool, lanclicster, and Newcastle-upon-Tyne Junction. NorthumberlaN and Lancashire Junction. York and Carlisle. Yorkshire and Glasgow Union. Blackburn, Clitheroe, and North-Westera Junction. Clitlieroc Junction. Fleetwood, Preston, and West Riding Junction. Your Committee recommend that the following Bills be referred to a distinct Committee : GROVP, Wo. 43. • • . . • , Whitehaven and Funtess Junction (Whitelimn Deviation and Kirk. santon Extension). Lancaster an:. Carlisle Extension to the Caledonian Railway, and Lancaster and Preston Junction Amalgamation. Cockermeuth and Workington Extension. Furness and Windermere. Ulverstene, Furness, and Lancashire and Carlisle. Furness Extensions. Whitehaven and Furness Junction. Caledonian (Carlisle Deviation). Yonr Committee recommend that the following Bills be referred ix:, a distinct Committee:— CROUP, No. 46. Newcastle and Darlington Junction and Tyne Dock. Newcastle-upon-T3 - ne, Edinburgh, and Direct Glasgow Junction. Wear Dock Railway. Newcastle and Berwick. Newcastle and Carlisle (Extension and Branches). Newcastle and Darlington, Durham and Sunderland, and Wear. mouth Dock Purchase and Branches. Newcastle and Darlington, Pontop and South Shields Purchase. Your Committee recommend that the following Bills be referred to a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 47. Welsh Midland. Swansea Yale. Shrewsbury and Hereford. Shrewsbury awl Herefordshire. Brecon and Merthyr Tydvil Junction. Yale of Neath. Monmouthshire. Your Committee recommend that the following Bills be referred to a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 45. Monmouth and Hereford. Newport, Abergavenny, and Hereford. Great Eastern and Wgstern.. . • Swansea and Loughor. Tenby, Saundersfoot, and South Wales. Llynvi Valley and South Wales Junction. Taff Vale. Worcester, Hereford, Ross, and Gloucester. Your Committee recommend that the following Bills be referred to a distinct Committee : GROUP. No. 49. North Wales. Chester and Birkenhead. Birkenhead and Holyhead Junction. Mold Junction. Birkenhead and Llangollen. North Wales Mineral (Deviation and Blanches). S:?rewsbury, Osweatry, and Chester Junction (Deviation and Branches). your CLyntnlttee recommend that the following Bills be referred to a di s tinct ecomittee GROUP, No. 50. Manchester and TlOninghtun Continuation and Welsh JtMction. Shropshire Union and ;anal, Newton to Crewe, with Branches. Shropshire Union and Canal (Shrewsbury to Stafford). Shropshire Union and Canal (Chester and Wolverhampton line). Shrewsbury and Birmingham. Shrewsbury, Wolverhampton, and South Staffordshire Junction. Shrewsbury, Wolverhampton, and South Staffordshire Junction (No. 2). • Your Committee recommend that the following Dills be referred to a!stioct Committee : GROUP. X 0.51. Great N'ottl: and South Wales. 'Worcester and l'ortdynllaen. Your Committee recommend that the following Bills be referred a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 52. Runcorn and Preston Brook. St. Melen'i Canal and Railway. Grand Junction (Huyton to Warrington). Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire Junction. Chester and Manchester Direct. Liverpool, Manchester, and Stockport I )irect. South Stafforashire (Showhill and Portobello Branch). Manchester anci Pirmingham. Grand Junction (11n7ton to Ashton, and other Branches). Your Committee reconirneud that tha following Bills te referred to a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 53. andand D s u t o d u l e r y v rm alley Railway (Dudloßirmingham,anlan:: B Line). ll: ot:c er rla h i a i in nu P t th ot n t , Birmingham, Wolverhampton, and Dudley (Stour Valley Line). ~;:. , uth Staffordshire (Junction). 50 ,,;; Staffordshire Junction (Bilston awl Prestileld Branch). South - gt a ffordshire Junction (Willenhall and Bloxwich Branch). Trent Valley, Midlands, and Grand Junction. Birmingham, LieXield and Manchester. Derbyshire, Staffordbire, and Worcester June tion. .. Your Committee recommend that the following Bill be referred to a distinct Committee : GROUP, No. 54. • Grand Trunk, or Stafford and Peterborough UniOn. Oxford, Coventry, and Burton-on-Trent Junction. Trent Valley (Alrewas Branch). London and Birmingham (Coventry to Nuneaton EXtellidOn). Leicester and Tamworth Junction. Midland (Leicester and Swanningtou Alteration and Brauchs). Midland (Burton-on.Tsvit to Nuneaton and Branch). Direct Birmingham and Ltcester. Leicester and Birmingham ancLßranch to Coventry. Coventry, Nuneaton, Birmingliani, and Leicester. Your COmMittee recommend that tie follow Int Bilis be referred to a distinct Committee:— GROUP, To 55: Manchester and Hyde. Sheffield, Ashton, and Manchester (Whalley Bridge ud Hayfield; Branches). • Sheffield, Buxton, Leek, Potteries, and Crewe. Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, ausl Midland Junction. Congleton and Crewe. Manchestester, Sheffield, and Midland Junction. Sheffield, Ashton, and Manchester (Dukentleld, Worborongh, ant Glossop Branches, and Sheffield Station*), * Except the Worsborough Branch, which is included in (koup No. 37. MONUMENT TO WALLACE.—On Thursday evening, at the end of the first part of Mr. Wilson's entertainment, the concluding song of which was " Scots wha bac wi' Wallace bled," a gentleman came to Mr. Wilson, and said that mag nificent song had powerfully impressed him with the fact, net. commendable to Scotland, that there was not a monument to Wallace, the hero who had done so much for ilitkeountry. gave his. name for 501. to head a subscription, for the erection' of a monument to Wallace. on the Abbey Craig, mar Stir ling, and requested Mr. Wilson, who has done so much for the songs of Scotland, by keeping alive those parts of her history recorded in song, to give • publicity to the intended monument, that all ranks, high and low, rich and poor. might have opportunity of contributing- to it. •No spot in Scotland could be fixed on more appropriatr or more mag nificent for a monument to Wallace, than the Abbey Craig —it would be an honour to Scotland, and an ornament to the . district rendered classic -by the heroic deeds of the Wallace and the Bruce. 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