The Sun. — London, England, 1846-08-04 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, August 3. ROYAL ASSENT. The Royal Assent was given to-day by commission to the following 61 Bills Sugar Duties (No. 2.) Bill. New Zealand Loan Bill. Rope Worker's-Bill. Battersea Park Bill. Chelsea Bridge Embankment Bill. Shropshire Union Railway and Canal Bill (Newton to Crewe). • Shrewsbury and Herefordshire Railway Bill. Vhrone'oire Union Railway and Canal (Chester and Wolverhampton Line Bill). Dablin, Belfast and Coleraine Junction Railway Bill. Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway Extension Bill. Whitehaven and Furness Railway Extension Bill. Londonderry and Enniskillen Railway Extension Bill. Strathtay and Bredalbane Railway Bill. Trent Valley, Midland and Grand Junction Railway Bill. Birmingham, Wolverhampton, and Dudley - Railway Bill. ;Wilts, Somerset, and Weymouth Railway Bill. Liverpool and Bury Railway Bill. Midland Railway (Leicester and Sa'annington Railway Altera• ion and Branches) Bill. .1113ckburn, Darwen,andßolton Railway Bill. Lond,yi and Birmingham Railway Bill (Weedon and Northampton Branch). Shr , wshury, Wolverhampton, and South Staffordshire Ju :ctiou Railway Bill (No. 1). Shrewsbury and Birmingham Railway Bill. Manchtster and Leeds Railway - Extension Bill. South. Eastern Railway (No. 2 Greenwich Railway Chilharn with Branches) Bill. Newport, Abergarenny, and Hereford Railway Bill. BiaAburri, Preston, .East Lancashire Railway Amal gamation Bill. Leed3 and Bradford Railway (Junction at Bradford) Bill. North Staffordshire Junction Railway (with Branches) Bill. Shkgield and Lincolnshire Railway Junction Bill. Bristol, Birmingham, and Midland Railway Bill. Stirops;hire Union ,Rail way and Canal (Shrewsbury and Stafford Railway) Bill. North Wales Railway Bill. Birmingham, Wolverhampton, and Stour Valley R-Al way ( Birmingham, Wolverhampton. and Dudley Bill). Cal«lortian Roilway (Glasgow, G arnkirk, and Coatbridge Purchase Bill). Ne scastle and Darlington Railway (Pontop and South SOMA, Railway Purchase Bill). London aed Birmingham (Corentry to Nuneaton) Rail way Bill. Edinburgh and Bathgatl• Railway Bill. Pori bury Pier and Railway Bill (No. 2). Surrey Iron railway Cotnpany (Dissolving) Bill. Glasgow, Garnkirk, and Coatbridge Railway Extension Bill. Caledonian Railway (Glasgow Termini and Branches) Gravesend and Rochester Railway and Canal Sale and Purchase Bill. Midland Railway (Birmingham and Gloucester Branches) Vale of Neath Railway Bill. Cockerm, , ,i h and Workington Extension Railway Bill. Slig., and Shannon Railway Bill. Birnaingham and Oxford Junction Railway Pill. West .C , ,rnwall Railway BilL Birmingham and Oxford Junction Rdlway Bid (Bir mingham Extension.) Cambridge Irnprlvement Acts Amendclent. Billing,:gate Market Bill. Gorbals Gravitation Water Company Bill. Sheffi-ld New Streets Bid.. Tunbridge Wells Improve,ent Kenningt ,, n lane Lighting Bill. Barr's Estate Fli=emin t r's Estate Bill. Parka' (or Yates') Estate 811. Phelps's Free Schwa Bill. Spalding's Estates Bill. The Commissioners were the Lord Chane,llar, the Earl of .Tinto, and the Earl of Shaftesbury. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his sea( upon the Woolsack at Five o'clock. GAME-LAWS. . The Earl of EGLINTON presented a petition from Ayr against the game-laws. The Earl of RADNOR presented a petition to the sauce effect. . • LOCAL COURTS. The Earl of POWIS presented a petition from Car• narvon, Monmouth, and other places in Wales. praying for the e4abliAment of local roams. MARRIAGES IN IRELAND. Lerd CA MPBELL obtained h;ave to bring in a 13H1 for the hot:er regulation of marriages in Ireland. It was in•e:; led to make provision for those cases to _which the Bill brought in by Lord Lyndhurst in 1844 was not applicable. It referred to those cases where one of the parties might reside in Scotland or England, and was Intended to oblate the difficulty which at. present ex isted wit regard to them. As it met with the appro bation or the 14w officers of the bite G►vernment and those of the present Government, he Has sure it would meet with no oppoLition from their Lordships. As re lated to per.sons of a middling station in life, the present law prey-A very heav►l3. He would, therefore, move the first notAing or the Bill. • PFiIsI , 46NS FOR PUBLIC SERVICES. Lord BROUGHAM moved for a return of the pea sioni tot;ited for public services. On the ground of education, it would be of great gerv4e to have these returns brought forward. He had stated to his felloN members of the Education Committee to go to the set), 1111 s near Finsbury-square ; and Mr. Wilberforce, though t)ppo-e:1 to Mr. Owen's principles. and. other subjects, and Mr. John Smith, and others, had pro ceeded '0 vi.it the schools in Wilay.r-street. The ir.•valt wI.A, that as many as fifty Members.ofd'arliament bad gone there, and had quite assented to the views of Air. Wilberforce and himself, that, however touch en titled Mr. - Wiljerspin might be for credit in the esta blishment and extension of infant schools, yet, certainly, Mr. Ovv , ii alone was the author of them. The Mqrquis of LANSfIOWNE tb -, ught that although his Noble and Learned Friend had pm many witnesses into the b..x in the - course of his life,,.he ,had never acted more judiciously than on the present occasion, for he could c3nfirm every word that. he had uttered. Ho was hi i.,elf quite cognisant of the respective merits of Mr. k )wen and Mr. Wilderspin—the former as the author and the latter as the extender of infant schools. He should never forget the enthusiastic joy of 400 chil dren in Dublin, when the toys and the games of the infant schools were first made known to them. He fully assented to the merit of : ,Mr. Wilderspin, and that he was entit'ed to any testimonial which could be offered. Lord BROCGHAM said that the whole history of the thins; would be found in Dr. Cake's account of infant schools. LOCAL COURTS, Lord BROUGILINI present* a petition in favour of 1uc.41 courts. CoRRESPOYDING SOCIETIES. Lord tißoUtiliAlt preseoted petitions from tip* ~f tht• We.li-ltreet, Mechanics' Listitation,'and mk.4.tbpry of Ow Wult,?.field Mhohanics"-Instito lion, for 0,., 4 ',i,,proecnr.pt ia the l AN if eo responding. . T 1 F.; EARL CAF DUNDONALD. \ • LinOLlci HA rose to present a petition of very . nnreat hunertanee, and one to which he begged to cull the sat:mons the Governmcnt, from an individual that e. 4* known, not only in this country and in Europe, but Le rn;nln. say in the World. it was from Lord atti .44,,mtlii .ietnen known under the name of Lord CA:brane. Ile would venture to assert that no captain either by tea . or on shore had performed. nobler exploits, or had been - in re service, during the contest of the late war; then • Lord Cochrane. It would be recollected - that Lord Punt:if - maid . had been dismissed from the service of his Sovereign, and had been degraded from his high rank for being connected with certain transactions of which he was a holly ignorant. On the trial, when this affair was investigated, his counsel, including himself, Mr. - B€ . lt (Lord Wyurord) and Mr. Topping had all vehemently urged him to declare the truth, which was that the guilty party, Mr. Coehrane Johnson, a - near relative, was the r-r-on who had committed the act for which his-relative seiffered such disgrace and loss. They had all tinged him for hour n bet he would not commit a near relation, and neither then nor now did he allude to the circumstances. Re had suffered tlint lass, and in 1832 the. GOvernment of which he (Lord Brougham) Was a intnober, thounht the tune was cutne fur resturinn , him to his rank in.the country and to his estates. but they. had not restored Urn to the Order of the Bath, of which he had won the knighthood by tie noblest daring and immortal ex plodn. Ti'e Noble .Lord then detailed the great.ex pndts of tit petitioner in dif&rent parts - of the world, Bra- Ae. The principal of repddiation, however, had wade its way among the states of the southern hank . Penre, soni hough they were his cre3itora there to the am ,ant 75.0001., he never received a single farthing of that Innney. This wa more sinnular, as it was to him tit y , weil their matpreFion as independent states. What the :NI , oiile L=ord wished from their Lordships was,_ that the v woula bear testimony that he was not in the • degraded position he was befor e he received his pardon and by that means to enable hirn the better to aslnure . cl Another reason why should regiud his petition was, that he was in post-easion of a secret of the greatest value in thn event of war. It had nothing- to do witk Captain Wanner. Lord Keith, Lord Exmouth, and others, had borne testimony to its value, and the latter N,Ann, L ,rd had : stated that if he had been aware of it when he , 1 a.. before Algiers, not a shot would have been fitnai at tt.n linen The, Noble Lord (Lord Dundonald) . ved that an investigation should take place rt're?br ' PrA ' his the destruction of i nto the werits of plan for sod flc = et. h manner• as their Lordships might inflnP•uhe a had therefore deemed it his duty to lay fore their Lordships. Tll t i t' ;; 4 INT , S rock BANK COMPANIES. • '• rl .• 9 .4 EGLINTON gave notice of his inten. -tion..tn ask the. Noble Marquia opposite a question re . sp, citi ng th e BU i J for regulating jOint•stock. banks n beta rd: .• '-i'he - Earl of RA•DNOB gave notice of a similar - mo:iuu BATE-IS AND WASIIIIOUSES. The Marquis of LANsDOWNE said that in rising to move the fk . ei: oci d r ,, ading of the Bill fGr the establish ' meat imblie instltuti"ns for bathing and washing for t h e ~ poorwe t'asaes i the. bmoughs, of England and ; 1Valos; i 6. would be nee. , s,ary to offer a few preliminary 404rvai,iong.. HC was sure their Lordships would view thi s tgahjeet in the same light aslie viewed it, and eon -eimsiderable respect.—(Hear, hear.) lie b' tt i ieved thaz if the - Ph was.any one thing more demon- • • stt ▪ - able than 'air;ther, it was -that the certain effect of • ent-etairrn....4,ejelt:.-4,raeq make per fo,'",t7 ‘appta'r . that were connoted impcFceptibly‘lh,_moraf efforts. hgar,) . The- truth of _Priv' prppolitibtr if? Yi4S Aditlrod ) 40 fury aawitted, that* t4tegilt necessary to trouble their Lordships with any further observations on that head. There .was one establish ' merit for the purpose of affording the means of cleanli ness, to those who were desirous of availing themselves of that advantage, in London ; and there was another of a similar character at Liverpool. Having made himself acquainted with the circumstances of these institutions, he felt himself justified in stating to their Lordships that institutions such as were proposed by this Bill were established, so that for lid. a-head the invaluable advantages of bathing and washing would be - offered to the poorest person in the country. In Liverpool it was known that where an expense of but 2,000/. or 3,0001. waaincurred, the actual profit was 3701. per annum, or something like threennd-a-half per cent. on the capital. He thought that fact important, because it proved that poor persons were ready to avail themseives of these baths if they had the opportunity. All, there fore, that was sought by the present Bill, was to give a stimulus to the feeling that induced the establishment of these institutions, The object was not to extinguish these establishments which were now working benefi cially for the public, not to compel the vestry of every parish to set up these baths, but to enable them, with the consent of the Secretary of State, to establish these baths with a certain rate of payment that would make them acceptable to the poor, and remunerative to the promoters.—(Hear, hear.) He did not know what par ticular baths had been alluded to by a Noble Lord op posite ; but if baths of this kind existed, it was not in tended to interfere with them. All that was desired was to step in were private interest had. not interfered. In Glasgow -yard baths, it was ascertained that parties esed to walk three or four miles to obtain the benefit them.—(Hear, hear.); There would' be a chine in the Bill which would be . of very material itAvantage; namely, to allow parties to purchase the interests of the institutions proposed to be established. There would also be power, in cases similar to those which . their Lordships knew to exist, to transfer their power to commissioners. He would conclude by moving the se cond reading of the Bill. Lord BEAUM3NT said, it struck him that this was a most desirable object, but that the machinery of the Bill might lead to jobbing. He thought it might in duce parties investing, by the patronage it would af ford them, to abuse their power in giving offices, and charging the same on the poor-rates. But the statement of the Noble Marquis, as to the cons en t of the Secre tory of State being required, removed tliese objections. Re alluded to the sth or 6th clause, by which baths were to be erected for persons in the superior classes. The check to which he had alluded would however prevent any abuse whatever on that score, for as those persons would contribute in proportion to the expenses, that would give a security for the poor-rates which might otherwise be done away with, and of course this there fore obviated the objection. Although, therefore, there might be a small increase of the poor-rates, the benefits arising from the Bill would more than counterbalance the evil. The Bill wns then read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. WELSH JUDGES.: „ . . . Earl POWIS - presented a petition', - signed by more than 20,000 persons, praying that judges might be appointed for the principality acquainted with the Welsh language. If the objections, therefore, were not cxreat, or such as might be eas ily o b v i a t e d, h e trusted' tip Government would take the matter into consideration, and. accede to the prayer of the petition. The LORD CHANCELLOR conceived that,certainly it would be of great advantage if the judges under*tood the language chiefly spoken in Wales; hut, as the judges were all appointed after having been barristers, the difficulty would be to find gentlemen who understood the language, but the possession of that faCulty - Would always be a recommendation to a candidate. SMALL DEBTS BILL. The House then went into Committee on this Bill, when 'rho LORD CHANCELLOR moved the adoption of the first clause, and stated in so doing, that it wes adviiable to consolidate the authority on which the Sixty Courts for the recovery of Small Debts . now existed. Sr - tie of them were of ancient tenure, but most of them were erected under the authority of the late Acts of Parliathent. Doing this would render the selection - of persons to fill the office of judges in these courts, and in those to be established, much more easy, and would greatly facilitate the process of the courts. The clause was then agreed to. The 23c1 clause was then agreed to, whereby the salary of the judges of the court is limited to 1,2001. per atintun. The other clauses were then agreed to, and the Bill was ordered to he reported to-morrow (Tuesday). -- NEWCASTLE AND CARLISLE RAILWAY. • Lord \ION rEAGLE moved the postponement of the third rea ling of th• Newcastle and Carlisle Railway to Friday next., 7 :4Agrey&to. - • •.. 'rhe other Bills on their Lordship' table were then advanced a stage, and the House adjourned. HOUSE OF COLILIIOIVS, August 3. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Ten rnlnutes before Fnur o'clock. Mr., D, Dumas, !.he Solicitor• General, was introduced b}• Lord Etnington and Mr. Tufnell, and took the oaths and his seat for Sutherlandsh ire no his ro-election. ROYAL COMMISSION. At four o'clock Sir Augustus C:itford, the Usher of the Black Rod, appeared at the table, and su►ninoned - House to the Rouse of Peers, to hear thee Royal Assent given to 61 Bills), fey the titles of which see Lirds' report). WISBECH, ST. IVES, AND CAMBRIDGE JIINC- Tioß 'BALI-MAY. Mr. ALLIX moved the third reading of the Wisbech, Sr. Ives, and Cambridge Junction Railway Bill. Colonel PEEL opposed the motion. The Bill was ' , oaring better than an attempt, on the part of the East ern Counties Railway, to carry the traffic from Wisbecir and Sr.. Ives over their line in preference to a far better erre. He trusted the House would not allow this without ftirthcr inquiry ; and ti give an opportunity for that taking place, he would move that the . Bill be read a third time that day three months. Mr. ALLIX--Considering that this railavy was most essential to the interests of the people of Wisbech, St. Ives and Cambridge, he was determined to persist in his motion. Wisbech was one of the largest corn markets in the kingdom, and St. Ives, next to Smithfield, was one of the greatest cattle markets in England; and he hoped that the Hon. and Gallant Member for Huntingdon would withdraw his opposition, because, if it were successful, the people of that district would be deprived for the period of nine months of the advan tnges which this railway would confer upon them. Mr. BING II AM BARING was convinced of the necessity of this line. lie had voted for it before, and he was now also determined to give it- his hearty sup port. He hoped that the House would support the decision of the Committee on this Bill (of which he had been chairman); by passint7, the Bill. Under all the circumstances he trusted the House would allow the Bill to pass in its present state.'" _ Mr. B. DENISON denied that. the London and York 7upany, as a company, were opposed to this Bill. : Mr. GARDINER opposed the Bill. Strangers were then ordered tO withdraw, when there appeared— - - For the third reading Against it - , Mijosity for the third reading —34 The Bill vas then read a third time and gassed. The Yeovil Borough Estate Bill was read a se3ori Owe. tt.tli ( , rcier*i..l to 1),. committed. The 11,-rropolitan &'wage Manure Bill was read u tHrJ time and passed. - The Siainc..)rd 'and Spalding Railway Bill was also r.,aal a third fine and passed. • On the nwtion-of Mr. GROGAN, the .z.ltnenchnents to the Dublin Wide Streets Bill were, agreed to, and the. ordered t. , ) be engrossed. • Mr. CAVENI)ISH moved that theTepprkfrom t4ie C , nninittee on ihe-Mniaester and Lincoln Union Rall y, ay and Che*terfield and Gainsborongh Canal Bill be t.A.kon into consideration to-morrow, provided the amerAed bretiate be laid upon the table, and tho ornery-Ted points be deposited this day.—Agreed to. On the iinc..tion of Mr. BROTFIERTON; Lord Kin- Egateßill was read a third time and passed. THE WELLINGTON STATUE. Mr. BART LY begged leave to give his Noble Priend the First' Coromisstoner_ of her Majesty's . Woods and Forests . notice that, to-morrow, he should ask what anbwer he had received as to thelroMistd inquiry of ths: Sub-Corainittee of the Wellington Testimonial Com mittee. „ • . ILITARY 17.CIGONG. Dr. BOWRING—Mr. Speakii, Sir, I hope that after the inquiries that have been made the Noble Lord may pot be unwilling to state to the House what are the in timtiens of her Majesty's Government with regard to .pc-ni*ltruenti.especially with a view to the abo ition of military Kgging; and I beg to give notice that I shall bring c,rward my motion on Friday on the n:',Ccn for going into a Committee of Supply. At same time" I wish to state, that to-morrow I .411,41 ask the Government whether they are acquainted with the fact that flogging has been intrOuced on a very large.kcide in the island of Hong Kong, and on the 25th April laat no le6S than fifty poor individuals were flogged for a violation of the polio:, regulations, tmcl.after having been so flogged, I understand, they were delivered over for a second punishment by the Chinese authorities. regulation of Episcopal dioCeseN. By referring to clause 3 he ibund ninetet n new bishops were proposed, Anti among others enumerated there was the Bishop of Melton Mowbray.—(Loud laughter.) He wished to know from the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) whether he took this Bill under his protection? Attached to this Bill there were the names of Mr. Frewn and Mr. Coiquhoun. Sir G. GREY said that the Hon. Member who ob tained leave to bring in the Bill referred to did not state what its provisions were. Sir R. H. INGLIS knew nothing of the details of the Bill, and, therefore, .could not speak as to the nature of its provisions. Mr. P. BORTHWICK had read every line of the Bill, but he did not think the House would give their sanc tion to a Bill of so monstrous a nature. He hoped the House would therefore get rid of the Bill at once. Sir G. GREY said that when the Bill was brought in no Hon. Member had objected. He hoped the Hon. Member for Evesham would not think that he had made up his mind to support the Bill as it then stood. Sir R. PEEL hoped the House would not act preci pitate towards this Bill, by adopting the advice of the lion. Member for Evesham to "get rid of it at once." It appeared to have bad considerable attention bestowed upon it, for upon looking over it he saw there was to be a bishop for Melton Mowbray, to look especially after the spot ting interests.—(Laughter.) MILITARY FLOGGING. Mr. B. 14:SCOTT wished to know whether the Right lion. Gentleman the Secretaiy-at-War would oppose the motion of which he had given notice this evening, and whether he was prepared to answer the queries of which he: had given notice ? - - Mr. FOX MAULE said lie was not at present pre pared to answer the queries of which the Ron. Gentle man had given notice, but be would probably do so on Friday week, or Friday fortnight. SUGAR DUTIES. , On bringing up the report on the Sugar Duties, Mr. lIUTT said that on such an occasion ho took the opportunity to say that he would certainly renew next session the resolution as to the slave trade, which he had brought on last session. Mr. HUME wished to ask whether the Government intended to remove and relieve the Canadas of the duties imposed by our Imperial Act, so that they might enjoy the advantages of free trade ?. - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. said it , yas the intention of Government to introduce a general measure affecting the colonies, and the Canadas would be included.—(Hear, hear.) Sir ROBERT PEEL said that already a considerable reduction had been made on some of the immediate ne ssaries of this trade, on staves and other articles, ard he hitirl heard that the Government proposed to make a still further reduction. He did not understand why the Noble Lord should not now take the same course with respect to the West Indian policy by imperial legislation in 1846, as was done by imperial legislation in 1802, and t;bsolutely reduce the duties. Lord J. RUSSELL said that it was not their object to reduce the import duties in. the colonies. There were several articles which, if they were admitted free ~c duty into the colonies, they would no doubt accept aa a boon. But they were bound to go further than that It appeared to him that, when they said they would re duce the duties on flour and corn from foreign coun tries to -the same terms as the flour and corn of Canada, amd admitted the sugar of Cuba, .at a certain period, on Inc ss.me terms as that of Jamaica, they were bound also to say, that of. the colonies. He thought that there were certain other articles which they ought to obtain n the sartit4 terms from the continent of Europe as from Ezgland. They shonld have power to have those arti cles on the same terms as those froin LOndon. At the same time, with respect to many of those articles, if they wished to retain the differential duties for the purposes of revenue, as the duties on silk and timber, they could do se ; and he, therefore, thought it would be better to give I hem the power of proposing an alteration,and give these on Act to confirm their request, or to allow the alters.- , tien by the permission of her Majesty in Council. Ile thought that they should have all the benefit they could ebtain from free trade. ' Mr. HUME said that he was anxious to save the colonies from the imperial duties. -He would leave the colonies to be the judges of their own affairs, and leave them entirely free from all imperial legislation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that what the Government proposed to do was to empower the colonies, if they should think fit, to submit Acts re pealing a portion of the duties now enforced on them to the Government. The burden of the Act would he to enable the Crown to assent to any local Act for the purpose of r.lieving the trade-of the colonies from the oppression of l!Jties imposed by imperial legislation. They did not Force upon the colonies any reduction of their revenue, tut left them at liberty to relieve themselves if they wished... . 1)r. BOWN RIG . said that it Would be more satisfac t:.ry to the eolouies that the commercial legislation should -- -- emanate from theinselves. They should be judges of the duties in their own cases. The collection of i:oldnial revenues under:imperial Acts was exceedingly heavy ; indeed more ditties were collected in cense ',Fence of the expensive nature of machinery than was absolutely necessary ; and there was another reason why imperial legislation should be abandoned with re gard to the colonies'. W. The resolution was then agreed to. On the next resolution being proposed, Mr. COLLETT wished to know what colonies the. ticond scale. ofduties.spplied to. - C The HANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied British po.st-ssio;)s in America, British p)sses: , iOns in the Alauritm.., oral the limits of the. East 10dia Corn. 's chum r. • The report ryas then received, sal a Bill ordered to be i a trod uced. THE SUN, LONDON / TUESDAY MOR.NING, AUGUST 4, 1846: VAN DIEMAN'S LAND. _ - Mr. 'FAME begged to give notice that he would to morrow wk the Government the reasons why six of the coteleil a Van Dieman's Land had resigned -office.• DEODANDS BILL. Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET said that if the ITonottrable Member, to whom was entrusted the care of the Deodands Bill, intended to press it on Wednesday; he would object to such a course, as there had been very extensive alteration s in the Bill, which. it would be necessary to have generally if not publicly known. • MILLBANK PRISON., Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE wished to -ask a question, in consequence of some observations that had been made a 'few evenings' ago respecting Millbank Prison. He asked the Right Hon. Baronet, the Secretary of State for the fielne Department, whether he would have any ob jeccion ta lay the report respecting that institution on ti,e table of the House ? and also, he wished to ask why it was that in the ten:h annual report of the Inspectors of Prisons, Millbank Prison was specially left out ?- • Sir S. GREY' said that the report which trt- had by him was not a final ode. • As soon as ho received the final report. he would lay it upon the table of theHOuse. RELIGIOUS OPINIIItNS DISABILITIES BILL. ESOOTT wished to know whether it was the. intention of the Government to proceed with the Reli gious Opinions Disabilities Bib this session? Lord J. RUSSELL said, that it was the intention. of heriMajestglizAintsteps , -Fr /cried. the Bill: b u t that in-cimstqugrice- of the Bill having so recently received ti ;e sanction of the house of Lords, he cud,' upog what day w baki'Dtps 04 turwitd. PUBLIC WORKS IN - IRELAND. Sir H. W. BARRON wished to know from the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer bow much money was now applicable, under the Public Works Bill, the County Works Bill, the County Pre sentments Bill, the Grand Jury Bill', and the Drainage Acts of this session, or sums advanced to private indi viduals and others for cawing out improvements in Ireland. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he hoped he should be able during the present week to lay upon the table of the House an accurate state ment upon the subject of the grants and expenditure under the different Acts referred to by the Hon. Member. BIRDCAGE WALK. In answeeto a question put by an Host. MEMBER, Viscount MORPETH said that he had received her Majesta 's gracious commands that the Birdcage-walk should be thrown open to the public during the recess, but that the gates should be shut at different periods for the purpose of asserting her Majesty's right to the pro perty in question. Sir H. W. BARRON rose again to ask the Secretary for Ireland whether it was intended to apply. to Par liament. for any means of employing the people on the public works in Ireland daring next winter ? He said the account he had from Ireland as to the potato crop was, that there had been a large failure. . The CHANCELLOR of le EXCHEQUER afraid that the statement was too true as to the early crop of potatoes, but he assured. the Rom Baronet that there was a sufficiency of food in private hinds to meet the wants of Ireland for many months, and Government would hold itself responsible for any emergency,. NEW WRIT FOR CHESHIRE. On the motion of Mr. TUFNELL, a new writ for Cheshire was ordered to be issued in the room of Lord Robert Grosvenor, who, since his election, had accepted the office of Comptroller of her Majesty's Household: THE GAME LAWS. 'Mr. COLLETT said that the Hon. Member for West 'Gloucestershire bad intimated to him his intention to refer to certain evidence taken before the Committee of the House, and asking him (Mr. Collett) to be in his plaCe. He (Mr. Collett) begged to know whether if was competent for the Hon. Member to call the attention of the House to evidence that had not been published. and Nan not likely to be published? The'SPEAKER said, when the time arrived he would answer the Hon. Gentleman's question, for when the Member for West Glouce4ershire had introduced his subject to the House he would be better able to form a judgment. SENTENCE ON JOHN SAYERS. Mr. CURTEIS wished to ask, for his own satin. faction, and the satisfaction of the public, whether there was any chance of the sentence lately passed on John Sayers, at the Cove of Cork, being remitted—he meant the capital part of the charge? He had no hesitation, in saying that if the.answer was ,not satisfactory he would move 'an humble . atl'iress to remit the sentanee. Admiral DUNDAS said that the subject had'not. yet come underalia consideration of the Admiralty, bu'l every nierey would be shown to the prisoner. Mr. F. FRENCH saidthat in the answer which had been given by the Chancellor of the Exchequer to his Hon. Friend near him, with reference to the failure of the potato crop, he had stated that the failure was confined to the early crop of potatoes, he (Mr. French) regretted to say that he had received appalling accounts from Ireland, stating that the failure had become uni versal. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXC/lEQUER said • that the-Hon.- Member was under some mistake ; for he did not use any such words. What he had said was, that . the early crop 7 had belt be - did not say a 'Syllable - about any other crop, nor did he say that the disease was confined to the early crop. •-• • MILITARY FLOGGING. Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE said, that for the convenience of the House, and in order to relieve public anxiety on the subject, he wished that the Noble Lord would state to the House what alteration was intended to be made by Government with regard to corporal punishment in the limy. It seemed to be understood that some decision had been come to by the Government, and it would be more satisfactory if the Noble Lord would state it then. Lord 7. RUSSELL said that in answer to the qnes -tion put by his Hon. Friend, he could only say that be was not at liberty to state to the House that even ing -- the reSult of the considerations of Goveinment on the subject. He should be better, able on Friday next, when he should know the decision of the Com mander-in-Chief. Mr. HORSMAN - moved for a return of all the deser tions frornthe army during the last 20 rat* TENANT COMPENSATION. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD wished to ask the Noble Lord the First Lord of the Treasury, if it. .was bisintention.to.bring iu any Bill daring the present session on the subject of tenant compensation?' The next question he wished to ask the Noble Lotd was, whether the Noble Lord, in the event of his not. being able to answer the first question in the affirmative, would be prepared to pass any temporary enactment, to prevent the evils that 'must inevitably occur. If' it• were expected that a Bill. would be brought forward. next session to do away with the misery of ejeetments, it would give a stimulus to ejection, .unless some means were taken to check its progress. The last question he wished to ask was, whether the Noble Lord intended to proceed with the Bill of the late Government for removing the evils of ejectment? The Bill w:tis,toot,so extensively, ,it . might. be rnads.,..ret o - MtainAt' itra4 useful 'enact- men ts: ' • Lord J..' - RUSSELL thanked the Hon. Gentleman :for pettiekohesa questions to -- him, becaue.e . it gave hini an opportunity to deelare the intentions of Go vernment with regard to Ireland ?—( Hear, hear.) Tlett law reqeires considerable alteration. The late Government had turned their attention to this subject. [hey introduced it Bill last session which, in the opinion o f the House of Lords,-could not be beneficially carried out. They had likewise turned their attention to the same subject during the present session.. The present Government had also given it their serious consideration, but they found so many objectienajeke e points in the Bill of the late Government, that they felt it to be their duty to abandon it. He must likewise say, that after bestowing great attention on this subject, her Majesty's Government had come to the resolution . not to introduce any permanent measure on this subject in the course of the present session. It seemed to him, that if they did introduce a temporary measure during the present see mien, they could not hereafter give to this subject that de -I;berate consideration which it required.—(Hear.) They would find that any temporary measures would interfere with future legislation ; they would, in fact, be giving to some parties certain rights which it would be impossible to take away. The Government had therefore thought it best to take the whole subject into their consideration, with the view of introducing a Bill in the course of next ses sion,' said in the course of the next session, -but he should rather have said at the very commence ment of the next session. —(Hear, hear.). At the same time they were fully aware that it Was quite impossible to introduce any Bill on this. subject which would not be liable to very great objection,. but they would endeavour to introdinie. a Bill which should be liable to the fewest„ objections to which any I of that sort would be exposetl.With regard to the other eithiect to which the Hon. Gentleman had referred, his light Hon.Frier. d 'near him (Mr. Labouchere) wouldstate the coarse w.hieh her Majesty's Government intended to pursuP. Ile could, however, tell the Lion. Gentleman that the Government had taken into their serious con eideration how they could best promote the welfare of Ireland.—(llear, hear.) , • Mr. LABOIIOIIERE said he would._state to the House which of the Bills on the paperi, relating to. Ireland, it was theletention of the Government to mo eeed with in the present session. .These'w4ro the Bills which he hoped they' should be able • proceed with• - : during the. presene . . session one was Exclusive Privileges Trading. Bill; a one was - the Rating of Property.Bille: one was the Fisheries Bill, and. one was the Bill brought in by the Honour- . able. . and- Learned Member for Clonmel. Those were the -Bills • which it would be his duty to pro ceed with during the present session. There was one Bill upon the papers of the House—the Leases` Bill—as to which he could not pron Ounce his determine ! don Whether or not he should he able -to proceed with in the present session. He was sorry to find that, thßre were many objections made to. it. Perhaps the House would allow him to take that opportunity of also stating. that it was the intention of his Right Hon. Friend, the Chaneellor of the -Exchequer, in the course of the pre , sent session to introduce a -Bill for the purpose orrecon ' structing the Board of Works in Ireland.—(Hear.) He believed he had fully informed the Honourable Gentlethan what were the intentions of the Govern ment., but ho would assure him that it .was with the uttetoste reluctance, and after serious . con sideration, that they came to . the determination that such would be the best course to adopt. The Government thought that they could not promote the object which they had in view, were they to bring in measures so seriously affecting Ireland at so late a period of- the sessiou.--(Hear, hear.) He would also 'assate the Hon. Gentleman that it was the intention of the Government*, early next session, to bring forward such measures -as they believed would be most condu cive to the welfare of Ireland. Sir 11. W. BARRON wished to know whether it was the intention of the Government to press on the Drain age was a -measure of vast importance to Ireland. Mr. - 13,' OSBORNE wished to know whet were .the intentions of the Government, reepecting the - Leases (Ireland Bill) ; he certainly would press this question. Mr. LABOUCHERE said he only asked until Wed= needayto be able to answer the question. ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR. • Lord CLIVE wished to know what course it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to pursue with reference to 'the St. Asaph and Bangor Bill? Lord 0 p 1 i n Nr RUSSELL thewouldwise, s a id : t t h b a : t eh n t i c h h e t safeste assent y e t t t o h , e f ohrraeevpdo th em r t. of the commissioners, but as the Bill came of the Lords had given to it, they might be able to consider it with reference to the state of parishes, and w ith re f erence to a bet : ter division of superintendence. He was desirous of giving his best consideration to the subject. He woul i oppose the farther progress with the Bill in the present*:l - sion, but the whole question would receive the careful attention and consideration of the Government, tosee . if a Bill could not be formed which would tend "to:the benefit and interest of the Church. ' .1Ord : CLIVE . said e tliat, in consequence of the inti 46stion that the Government intended to take the whole 'Subject into their consideration; he would give notice shapnieivoteld not proceed with the second reading of the (su•WijltealaY, - • . • :•• • . . EPISCOPAL •DIOCESEO3. Mr. HUME called the -attention- af 4 the-lions6 .- to a hilt wbioh bad boa latruducod to provide rortAelptOr SUPPLY. The 'report upon the votes in Coin►nittee of Supply was then brought up, anti confirmed. THE ARMY. On the. SPEAKER reading the order of the day for Army Estimates, Captain LAYARI) rose to move that an humble ddress be presented to her Majesty, praying that she gill be graciously pleased. to direct inquiry to be made; how far the reduction of their period of service in the army from the present unlimited term would tend to promote a better class of • British soldiers, decrease desertion, and thus add to the efficiency of the army. In bringing this Motion under the consideration of the House, the Hon. and Gallant Member said the House must at once see that !the subject was one of the very greatest importance, and he must ask them to grant him that which it did on a former occasion ; that was to say ; its kind attention and indulgence —an attention which he was sure was deserving of the case itself— (Hear, hear)—and an indulgence which he trusted would be granted, and which would be wanted, from the weakness. of the advocate. After a most deliberate in quiry into the,subject, he had formed the opinion that a limited service in the army would greatly benefit the country and the army. It would have the effect of giving to the army a better description of men to perform those duties Which were entrusted to soldiers, and would remove in a great measure the quantity of crime which he regretted to say was committed by those to whom the standards of our army were entrusted. He contended that by limiting the numbers of years of enlistment the country would have a better description of men; and that much of the crime of winch the army was at present. guilty, and the •existence of which he would be able to [ , rove, would be limited to a very great extent. He thought he should do wisely by bringiug forward the obieyable dividing it i u to different to show the House heads subject u nd er discussion in the same way that he did on afofis ; duelmeroccafisrisot,n;htehashld i that was, u bow unpopular the present system was in the country; and how unpopular it was also with the soldiers. In the second place, he, should be able to show tliehi the impolicy o: the present system. 'He would show them that the e resent system, led to fearful crime and. an. immense amount - 6f punishment. Ile, ould then bribg forward his arguments in the strongest manlier in which be believed• it could-bp brought forward, and, with the indulgence of the House, he hoped lie should be able to prove his case successfully. He believed he should be able to show that the change he proposed, would be of great benefit to the country,•while a great saving in ex penditure would be gained. They should remember the great extent of territory they had, and the small force in comparison to that territory which they had at their disposal. They had, as had been stated on a preVious evening, forty-nine colonies, and a territory which,' but recently, in the East Indies had been extended to the banks of the Sutlej, and they had but 120,000 men to protect it. The change be proposed, therefore, was, one entitled to their most serious consideration. He would be able to show, from returns he had in his possession, and other information he had received, the alarming preva lence of crime in the army. He had received a return of the deserters from the army in Great Britain, Ireland, spittle colonies during the three years ; that was in 1842, 1843, and 1844. In Canada the deserters during these three years was 735, of whom 193 were retaken or rejoined. In Great Britain during the same time the number of deserters was 5,208, of whom 3,286 were re taken or rejoined ; and in Ireland the number was 1,594, .of whom 1,159 were retaken or rejoined. Making the total number of deserters in those three years 7,537, of whom 4,638 were retaken. and leaving 2,899 not ac counted for; or a loss of about 1,000 men a year. The expense of these deserters to the country from 1843 to 1845 had been 71.5201. By a return moved for by the Hon. Member for Montrose, with reference to corporal punishment inflicted in the army during the same period, it appeared that there were 3,355 persons upon whom cor poral punishment had been inflicted.. He thought the clues• tern of corporal punishment was one deserving of con sideration, and should be removed, if possible; but he felt assured that flogging could not be removed while the present term of enlistment was adhered to. Within three years there had been 28,190 men in the British army who had suffered imprisonment. He did not believe that could be a good system which produced such effects. Many medical men had written books upon the subject whieh • would convince any Hon. Member of the necessity of some change in the law of enlistment. Mr. Marshall had said, in a work which he hi,d written and dedicated to Sir Henry Hardinge, that in a moral point of view it was politic to enlist men for a long period at an early age, because at that age persons were apt to figure to themselves a thousand instances of h ,nour and glory in which - they were to become sharers, but who were doomed to disappointment. In the present condition of the army, continued the Gallant Member, he defied Any person to point out an instance in which any respectable tradesman or farmer would wish his son to enlist in the army:' 'He would have to spend all the t of his years in the service of his country. and then he re Aarded with a miserable pension of 6d. a day, which was barely auffitient to keep him out of the work house. To show the opinion entertained in the army against the service, the Gallant Member proceeded to quote the case of George...UW..of the 67.thi'who stated. Olt he. %murderer ..tit; a- young woman of the name of Eliza Grimwood, who had been murdered at; a intblic - hQtact tbeteiihbourhOVl Oa his -extuoillee` tion before the magistrate, he said he had accused him self for the purpose of getting out of the service. He did not !time t" sey that he was a proetl ssldier, on the confrere-, he bsiieeed him to be the very revere. He merely beseght the c.;se forward to show g hat a man w•ttl,l itielerge in etelor to , et cut of th e ser v i ce . He then referred to the case of a private in the 60th Regi meet of eavalr) who had attempted to shoot him self in going off sentry. These were not solitary instances on the injurious effects of the present system. Sir H. Hardinge, had stated in evidence before the Com missioners on the subject of corporal punishment, that soldiers often maimed themselves to obtain their dis charge. Tie had stated last year that the suicides in the cavalry amounted to one in twenty of the whole number of deaths. That statement had been made upon the authority of Mr. Marshall, the inspector of hospitals, and he did not think there was a better authority on the subject. He had made application to the Secretary ' at-War ftir a return of the number of suicides committed in the army ; but he had been informed that the return ' could not be .t.ivell, because the suieides were not kept distieet from the aevidents. He thought, however, suce returns sheltie. h e k e pt ee l -arise, He Ilioagl4 tle , t if soeli re;nrils wore tend=, it weidel be ! shoWn that it ;rester number oil stiieid, s took place in the army than among any4qual number of men in a dif ferent positi,,n. Colonel Ft CC—All the eilicides which took place did not take place upon that account. Captain LAYAIM did not suppose that they were all traceable to that cause, but he should be happy to be shown to he incoirect in the present instance. A great number of suicides did take place, and. it was but fair to supp ,se that they arose from that cause, seeing the great number of punishments and desertlene which annually Gook place. He believed that the Bight Hon. Baronet the Secretary -at-War himself would net like to he tied down for life to one employment, or to be compelled during that term to perform the irksome duties con nected with the army.—(Laughter.) He thought that if arty person had a right to enlist the Chancellor of the Exchteatier, he had a perfect right to do so—(Laughter) —and believed he should do so before he had finished his statement. He thought that no person should be en listed for more than ten years, after which period he should receive a sum equal to half his pay ; and that after a period of six months if he enlisted attain in that regiment,'-or into any other regiment, he should be al lowed to enlist For eleven years, thus making a total of .twenty-one years' service. It was quite possible that a soldier might be happy in one regiment while he was perfectly miserable in another; he would not propose, therefore, to confine the soldier entirely to one regiment. As an instance of the difference of regiment he would 'all the attention of the House to the 12th Lancers, commanded by Colonel Stowell, in which regiment there was not a man who had been flogged.—(Cheers.) If', after their ten years had expired, they should enlist ,igain for eleven years, they should be entitled to their proper retiring allowance of 10d. per day. He knew teat he should be informed of the difficulties in ease of any regiment being abroad, and any number of men claiming their discharge at the same time; but re wards could be held out, and quite sufficient inducements elven to them to remain. They might be allowed to go to India, where, from all the returns he had seen, most :addiers who had been there volunteered to return. He knew he should be told that they had limited service be t', , re. Ile was aware of that; but it was altered by Lord I till in 1829. The present system was most unjust, for utter ten years' actual service, with two distinguishing marks of good conduct, they required a man to pay more eor his 'discharge than he originally received for going to them. After giving men 4/. and a few shillings to come to them, and after vetting ten or twelve years' service out of him, they required him to pay 51. How could they eeptee men who had any prospsctot work to go into the army with the comfortable prospect of twenty-five years' ervica, and then 6d. per day to retire upon ? .1.11 reports on the subject agreed that the army was wade of the very worst materials, and it had been found that the soldier was so placed as absolutely to induce him to commit many acts which caused him to be igno miniously punished. lie wished to call attention to the iinmen , e amount of duty which had to be performed by emei men in the army. The good men had the trouble doing the duty of the refractory, and of punishintt tliero when in disgrace. If they knew what was right erel just they could not but admit that it was not right for any Government to drive a harsh and cruel bargain with these poor men.—(Hear, hear.) It was their duty to encourage them, and to give them gond treatment to laduce them to enter and remain voluntarily in the :limy. All the pc•rsnrs who had ever tired the expe rlment. of rearultina- fur a limited period agreed that it a , a.; goite ~necessful, and it was tried wi.h considerable :-access daring the American war. In the year 1806 '-fr. 11 7 )111:arn proposed enlistment for limited periods, eed wish. d that the 21 years should be divided into etree tertods, at the end of each 'of which the soL:er should . be entitled to receive his discharge ; Ned after a series of the whole three periods that he seetild he entitled to be discharged with a pension of Is. per day for life. The measure proposed was carried in tBO6, hut was afterwards effectually annulled by an eiteration in the regulations of the army. Dr. Jackson letcl also written upon the economy of the army, and he was,of opinion that enlistment for an unlimited period was prejudicial to the soldier, and that the army would t)e in a mush better state if soldiers were enlisted for limited period. Sir H. Wilson, in 1804, wrote upon the subject, and he expresed his surprise that we should oontinue to retain a system which had been discarded .by other nations as unpolluted. In Austria they en listed for eight years, in India for three, and various eeriods in other cluntries -- not one country but England laving unlimited enlistment in its army. ' The opinion of Sir 11. Hardinge was in favour of allowing men te eurchase their discharge Peter a period of service, ane ,he plan, on being tried, was found to operate mest beneficially. He, however, objected to the ,rinciple, for money was in that case allowed to be the 'gent by which the soldier was to receive his liberty. illere were many and very great defects in their mili • ' tart' system, but he belih vad that they were on the point laf e great alteration. lie would conclude by moving ,l'at an humble address be presented to her Majesty, raying that she will be graciously pleased to take into her consideration, hew far a reduction of the period would tend to improve the recruiting system, diminish eest..rtion, and tend to the better protection of the service. Mr. F. MAULE wished to say a few words upon this eery important questisn. His Hon. Friend had argued the question as if the Government had prejudice or feel ing against the so :tier. He hed said that the late Go- . vc,rnment had is in contemplation to make some serious ' alteration on this subject, and it was a subject of the mutt important nature. Ile (Mr. F. Maule) did not wej - i to give any decided opinion on one side or the ether. His Hon. Friend had alluded to the number of desertions which were shown to take place by the re terns, as being caused by the knowledge of being en- Fsted for an unlimited period. He would ask the Hon. Member at what period these desertions took place. They took place the first or second year, hen the mind of the soldier was acted upon by a dislike .t the rough tasks he bad to perform ; but they in a :short time almost invariably returned to their duty, and gave themselves up to their former engagement. He assured the Hon. and Gallant Member that from his ex :e-rience, he should know that those concerned in the aanagernent of the army did all in their power to make iSle position of the soldier comfortable, and be (Mr. F. ..isele) did not see that the Hon. Member had any right Le sssurne that all the suicides which took place in the •-•s arose from the distaste ter a permanent enlistment. ',.,-• enlistment certainly took place for an unlitnitee -vied. but the army allowed a graduated scale, and not ::. very unjustly graduated scale, of means of escape. After ten years service, the price wait 211. in the cavalry, seal 15/. in the infantry, and that was without any die 'eta; wishing marks of good conduct. Any distinguishing marks of good conduct, to the number of two or more, would at the end of 21 years entitle the soldier to his discharge free. In the cavalry, under the same circum seances, the'price seas only 5/. • - Captain I, AYARD—He cannot claim his discharge. Mr. F. MAULE—Much had been done by the late Government for the benefit of the army. Schools had been established for the children of soldiers, and libra ries had been established, in which there were 30,000 or 40,000 volumes. These and other measures had been taken to confer on the soldier the advantages of a citizen, :Ind he denied that ho ever ceased to be a citizen. With respect to the proposition of his Noble and Gallant Friend, as to the limitation of the service, it should be remembered that there were 24,000 soldiers in the West Indies, and 31,000 in the colonies, making a total of .54,000 who served but for 14 years. He thought, therefor?, in consideration of all these circumstances, that the House would not entertain the proposition of the Noble and Gallant Gentleman.—(Bear.) Sir DE LACY EVANS—WhiIe agreeing fully in what had been stated with respect to the beneficial measures of Government towards the army, he could not consider the proposition of the Gallen Gentleman beset with such difficulties as was supposed. With re spect to the West Indies, according to the Mutiny Act, the power vested in the Governors of the colonies ren dered any apprehensions on that head groundless.. He believed, moreover, that there was no disposition to leave the English army. There was also an objection to be urged againt the argument of the Hon. Gentle man who had last addressed the House, with respect to the power in the commanding officer to allow a soldier to return, for it would be attended with great difficulty. He would, therefore, give his support to the motion. 4r. B. OSBORNE wa s g l a d to hear the remarks any of the Secretary•at-War, not because he had urged it va!id objections to the propositions, but because showed that the subject was to be a n open question. When there was so much work about the abolition of punishment by death, that .very punishment was ren dered necessary by the system adopted in; the army. —(Hear, hear.) In 1799 te ihey were obliged to press felons into their service. If they wanted a better article they should pay mor e for it, and the evil complained of was to be remedied by getting a better class of men to enter as their troops. He trusted, therefore, that those who had the interests of the country at heart would stand up in their places in the House, and vote for the better payment of soldiers. The first who brought forward this subject was the great Lord Ches terfield, who submitted a motion on this matter in 1741, and in 1749 the subject was revived by Mr. Wyndham. He was prepared to show from official documents that the hardships of the soldiers' situation were not ex avgerated. From an official document of Sir James M'Gregor some years ago, it appeared that out of 680 men under his care, the deaths of nearly one in twenty were caused by suicide. In a book, written by Dr. Reid, it was remarked the present system naturally en dured that mental depression which caused suicide. 'here were more lunatics from the army than from any other class, and therefore :he inference was very justly drawn. A youth of eighteen, seduced into the army in a stare of drunkenness, would become so disgusted when sober at the terra—of servitude before him as to fell into that state of mental clepression . whia wburdlead to suicide.—(Hear, hear.) He believed that the proposition of 4s9iik‘us -Yrivfici-wair 1101 , ..914 Quiro„ hiutiew r 4104 that it was also more economical. In 1839 there were' 2,110 suffered punishment for desertion. Now let them leek at the expense of these desertions, and they would be convinced of the truth of what he advanced. Unless they brought public opinion to bear upon the Horse Guards, they must not expect any salutary reforms in the British army. lie recollected when 1,900 lashes was net an unusual punn-hment, and it was considered a great relaxation of rigour when the number was re duced to 1,250. Some idea might be formed of the degree to which this system hsel taken root in the country, when he stated that, in 1811, the proprietor of a newspaper was mulcted in the sum of 2001. for a denunciation of this cruelty. He would conclude by calling upon the Noble Lord to sienalise his Government by echoing the sentiments of Mr. Wyndham, and abolish this sangui nary system. Captain LINDSAY thought if the normal schools were carried out they would find that desertions and crime would be considerably decreased in the army. There was this feeling in the army, that they had nothing to look forward to but a miserable pension at the expiration of twenty-five years, and so long as that state of things prevailed they could not expect any change in the present condition of the army. Among a number of instances, he could state that in his own bat talion a number of the men mode their greatest com plaint th.- length of service. He thought that if educa tion and religion were more diffused among the army the result would exceed their expectations, and the evils which followed the present system would he put an end to. Mr. HUME said that the limitation of the service wassa. subject which he had long advocated. By that in( ails good men would he secured, and desertion would he lessened. If the report made by the general officers on the subject was read Hon. Members would see that those who must have the greatest regard to the efficiency of military discipline were advocates of a limited service. His own opinion of mankind was, that if they had their compacts attended to,, and were treated kindly, they would not be disposed to indulge in crime. He entirely supported the motion of his Hon. Friend, for the amount of crime which resulted from the present treatment of the military was a discredit to the nation. He recollected when 1000 lashes was a common punishment, and he con sidered that the adoption of milder treatment had been attended with the most beneficial results. With regard to normal schools, he thought they should not be con fined to the army, but extended to the whole country. Mr. BERNAL hoped that his Honourable Friend would not press his motion to a division. He thought the Government should have time to investigate the subject. This was only elle part of a general system, and he was of opinion that, as the whole subject of military discipline was pressed upon the Government by the country, time should be allowed them to fame a measure to meet the evils. All the criminal re forms which were made were only brought about by long deliberation. Forty years ago he believed a man was hung only for cutting down a cherry-tree. The criminal law had since undergone great amelioration.Wi th regard to military diScipline, he thought that the same caution should be observed, and nothing attempted with out careful deliberation. With regard to the questioe of economy, he thought if they wished to improve the condition of the army, some expense would be found to be absolutely necessary. Mr. WILLIAMS thought the matters which hail been brought forward by the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Bernal) were of national importance, and hoped they would be considered by the Government. It was true that the Government had been but a short time in office ; honieVer, he expected great change would be made be fore next session.. He thought seven years, as a period enlistment, was long enough ; and after that time was out he believed the men might be induced to enlist for the next eleven years by a bounty. All the changes had been advocated on the ground of increased pay. Now, in looking to the expenses of the army, he found that a cavalry soldier received 8s 9d. a week, a soldier in the guards Bs. 2d., and in the line 7s. 7d.; this amount of wages was aided by several perquisites and allowances. in looking into the extracts, he found 35,000/. as a re ward for good service, and 3,000/. in lieu of beer, to the troops at home. Much might be done for the army by internal improvements, for far too much power was sllowed to the non-commissioned officers, and much lay in the power of the superior officers, if they would exert them selves for the good of the men. Colonel J. WOOD said, for the non-commissioned officers, that no class in the army exercised their au thority with more forbearance. They staid in the same room, and slept in the same room ; and it was necessary !‘) take care that their authority should not be infringed upon. They had no power to inflict punishment. Very differently were they situated in the French army, where the corporal sod the sergeant each had the power of sentencing to imprisonment; a sentence which could not be commuted without reference to Me colonel of the regiment. - As for the changes proposed in the period of enlistment, he had hopes that it might produce great advantages. Colonel SIBTHORP said, that knowing the army and considering its history, he thought little or no change was necessary. Reform was a word which, he must say. ha did not like—s(Laughter)---and he said again that little or nothing was necessary for effecting any desired improvement. The House ought to recollect that offi cars, though officers, were yet men; they had their failings, no doubt, but order and discipline was required in a bony of men like the army. He begged, then, that the House would leave subject- in the hands of oni -so able to deal with it as the Noble Duke at the head of that department. He begged they would, leave to. offi cers in, the army, the. army, and to naval officers the navy, just as they had their Lord Chancellor, whom they reliTred to as an authority in law. The army was long well, and it ought to be let alone ; the state of shish was such as to astonish the foreigners who came into the country. Mr. 11. CURTEIS said he regretted exceedingly or , ending that he had come to town in vain that evening, e-hen the Learned Doctor below him (Dr. Bowring) put off his motion, which it was certainly his intention: to have supported. He bad for twenty years advo cated the abolition of flogging in the army, and he was glad to see others coming over to the same i•pinion. would support the motion of the Gallant Captain, and hi , mast tell that Gallant Gentleman that when he (Mr. Curteis) was at the Horse Guards, he should allow hin. to remain no longer a captain ; he would make him a eolonel.—(Loud laughter.) He would not begrudge city expense which could contribute to the ad. vantage, and the improved condition of the army. It would give great satisfaction to the country to learn the way in which the question had that night been taken up by military men ; and he hoped the Government would take the matter into its most serious consideration. After a few remarks from Captain LAYARD, the motion was withdrawn. INQUEST AT HOUNSLOW. Mr. B. OSBORNE wished to make a few remarks in reference to certain proceedings going on elsewhere, while he intimated the postponement of the motion. The matter to which he referred was the proceedings at Hounslow. Several writers in the newspaper press had attacked the gallant colonel of the regiment for the flogging of the man on whom the coroner's inquest is at present sitting. Now he (Mr. Osborne) begged leave to say that that gallant officer had no more to do with the death of that man than the humble individual who ne, addressee' them. Nay, so 'indent was the feeling against Colonel Whyte, that some papers had adv. sated his murder by the troops under his command. The Hon. Gentleman, the Member for Coventry, had to-night nade use of these newspaper reports, and had referred o the - evidence of a witless who had been examined, but who was a very disreputable character, and had been euilty several times of gross insubordination, which elided in his being flogged ; not for crying out " Hallos Sergeant," as he had asserted.—(Hear, hear) Colond Whyte was a most excellent soldier, the son of a country gentleman, and he felt extremely hurt and annoyed at the manner in which he had been assailed, There was not a day but what he was receiving anony mous' and threatening letters on the qliestion. In stating that he would not presS his motion at present, he could not a void offering this defence of a gallant and much misrepresented officer. Colonel PEEL felt thankful to the Hon. Member for the vindication he had made of Colonel Whyte. He had read over every atom of the evidence taken before the court-martial, and, he felt justified in defending him from the aspersions cast upon him. He (Colonel Peel; believed him to be one of the best officers in the army. With regard to the private's evidence, which had been referred to, that of Matthewson ; he was one of the worst conducted men in the whole regiment, and had previous to the occasion on which he received punish ment, been forgiven for one or two gross instances of misconduct and insubordination. (The Hon. and Gal lint Gentleman read a short statement to this effect.) _ Mr. FOX MAULE suggested that until the result o the coroner's inquest was known, it was rather prema ture to enter into a discussion of the question. which he hVha dbeen WILLIAMSL e d when examined on the coroner's inquest, which nyhestmateadnnteorthine as Rouse what the man had ie statelat attacked. k urprise h d ad a only believedhad s had tat stated e w n a s true, faith fully reported. s why did not the o If f what fficers contradict it at the tim e ? Had they any explanatio . then to make, that was the ti me hat had then t a k en for them to do ; and they would have been publi s h e d along with the man's evidence. wh witness he place s howed the necessity of a complete reform in the whole system. Mr. MONTAGUE GORE felt that Colonel White had been most unjustifiably attacked. If there was any fault, it was not attributable to Colonel Whyte, but to the system under which he acted. That gallant officer could not have acted in any other way than he had done. The system might be wrong, but Colonel Whyte was not to be blamed in giv ing it effect while he was acting under it. Mr. P. HOWARD was glad that steps were in pro gress to effect a diminution of corporal punishment, as he believed it would be the means of considerably im proving the character of the array. He thought, in regard to corporal punishments, the soldier should not be placed in a worse position than the felon. He was glad that the explanation had been made in exculpation of the character for undue severity preferred against Colonel Whyte. The subject then dropped. THE CARNIVAL AT MALTA. Mr. HUME was sorry to detain Mr. Speaker a short time longer in the chair, but he had a motion of some importance which he wished to submit to the House. It was as follows That, in the opinion of this House, and according h to the correspond ence l a id b e f ore it, relative to pro ceedings in the island o f Malta during the th governor e Carnival holidays in Febru a ry last, the conduct of i a n n t d erf o e f re t n h c e e w m i a t g h is th t magistrates long-existing gtinugndue;aghk_i.ss t o ,f ri t t h ? orders, in in . t . he and privileges guarentee inhabi tants of that island, amoudnttotothane iAnitti'rlieti.etsieonh)o,fththeecarpigiteuts • and are also contrary to the princip es- en yi an . lation under which . they eirigeatlly üb d . pets, n4u44444,u0 imgauer, religious liberey." In the present case. tho ,. 9overnor of '4'"*.‘44.' interfered with a ceremony, which for forty-five years had been carried on for four days without any breach of decorum or any objectionable procte g. The interference would seem to have been undertaken from a prot , elytising motive. and had given great offence to the professors of the Roman Catholic } religion. When the Governor, in February last, and on the first Sunday of the Carnival, ordered its suppression, he voted in a most improper and unjustifiable manner. and he (Mr. Hume) should like to have some explanste ti.‘n of the affair. It was true that a number of person* dress, d as clergymen did parade the streets with a wooden bible in their hands, and they did so, he believed , with the view of showing their detestation of the manner in ;which their ceremonies had been interfered with. (Hear, hear.) The prayer of the memorial, which he held in his hand, complained that the interference was a breach of their privileges, and he for one thought the public of Malta had a right to keep up an usage i G m o m ve e r m n o o r r ia o l p c o u n s t to h m e was justified, or he might say had been legalised by subject,(Hearh, e he h a a r d .) le T ar h n e ed rep fr o o r m t of th e authority in Malta, was erroneous, nay, in many respects iintruee and Government ounbt to be rejoiced to have that opportunity of explaining the document, and clear' ing up the character of the Governor. It must be re: membered that the place had always preferred Englisu discretion.— ( Hear, to French government, and this act of the Governor , i n his opinion , evi nced that only seventy or eighty persons were arrested, but he had pretty good information, showing that theenun i ; aloneber wa s Hear, ehesetrarSgeTahned Governor.extra ordi represents want w hic o h d. he m ore thoug l h i k t e I h y:t h o be ea rightl7o, andto callu pfoonr it. this No tru e friend of civil and religious liberty could justify such er; duct as this, and in justice to the public of Malta, who had always shown a disposition favourable to England, they ought to hive this matter inquired into.(Hear, hea r.) He did not attribute any i n t en ti ona l i n j ur y committe d on the part of the Governor. No doubt the Governer thought he was acting conscientiouly, and for the bee!' but still he had exhibited a sad want of discretion l e n having 170 persons arrested on one day to be discharge' for want of charges on the following morning, and Go' vernment would not be doing its duty to the colony c n Malta unless they protected the population against Id repetition of such conduct. (Hear, hear.) He eon, not conclude ,without expressing his regret at the Dv' ter which L or d G rey h a d wr itt en upon t h e e .„ subject, and h e th oug h t t hi s was anot h er rea son wt. , the House should agree to his resolution, to show t he governors of English c oloni es th a t t h e y were no t tt in terfere with the rights, privileges, and liberty o f her tut jesty's subjects, who might happen to reside within the" itiriediction. The Emperor of China had issued a notice' that within his dominions. Catholics, and in fact every class of religionists, should be allowed freely to ben their processions and ceremonies, without being moles' or interfered with in any way.—(Hear, bear.) was an example then set them by those whom they 06 considered barbarians.—(Hear, hear.) Dr. BOWRING, in seconding the motion, sa id he thought his Hnn. Friend had brought the subject be te° the House with a gOoddeal of temper. and forbeartn; He reminded the House that although there was ran e e loyalty in Malta, there was a strong undercurrent, ° A discontent, for the people had often memorials to have their grievances redressed, but th e ) prayers had never been attended to. — (Heat ', The Catholic dignitaries were not consulted, and there. ‘uld be no doubt that the conduct of the Governor we!, unjustifiable. A few days previous to the holding u: the Carnival,' he issued a manuscript order to the effe n e ; that the Carnival was not to be tolerated. The Gove rn l'e had no right to do this, nor had he anyright to abolish t", law of centuries in the course of a few hours. The ce ht plaints of the Maltese were well founded, and he thong le that the House should by their vote assure that pe e that they would not tol e rate such conduct on the par' e the Governor,—(Hear, hear.) That people had ak wei te acted faithful towards England, and they had a right be protected.—(Hear, hear.) He bad the greatest hie tisfaction in seconding the motion of his Honours Friend. The SPEAKER having put the qustion Mr. HA W S E rose and said, his Hon. , Friend t h e n Member for Montrose, had said that he would e enP e ee himself to the facts of the case ; and he (Mr. He w 0 , should pursue a similar course, and after having don. he thought that the House would agree with him. theatt: esse had not been made out for the interference 01 t he i louse. He begged to assure the House s n o t the Carnival was celebrated at Malta, eceording to the law of that island, but . by the Pern l ee e sion of the Governor.—(Hear, hear.) Both Ca the no ell Protestants had petitioned the Governor to Pe' l rid to these festivals, and that individual acco rding e 'sued the order complained of. He held in his band !et er from the Governor, in reference to the c-onepletnrn The' Righl Win. - Gentletnan then-relid Mier, es which the Governor stated that the festival had I?e,':. e interrupted in accordance with the express desire of th e Catholic Vicar-General and clergy, and the Protestaeos clergy also.) The matter was altogether of a religio,h, character. The order of the Governor had certaine: cau sed some opposition on the part of a few of ti people, but they were not composed of the respec table , sasses of the island. The parties who had been COer witted summoned the police, but the case was dismissel; e l and here the charge is fully confuted that the w h0 , 1 4 fault lay_ with the Governor, for the case is krougf e before the ordin ar y c i v il mag istrates, who dismissed iP case. Mr. HUME—They may not have decided fa irli' They may have been influenced. Mr, HAWES—His Hon. Fr iend could not fairy raise that question, but no such charge had been made, and and he considered that the case did no t present rt: slightest colour of a charge of an attempt to meddle ti w 1; the civil and religious liberties of the Maltese. Wroenet tits Hon. Friend said that Malta was a colony, he cos . xcuse him for drawing a great and broad ilisteneeeet between it and such a colony as Canada. It was! 1; of military position, and, therefore, with a ponille7;loni 100,000, it was not entitled to be treated like a o e be such as Canada, for such a constitution would n adapted for Malta. doub t Mr. VERNON SMITH said that there was ne d that that the case was much altered, but he considereletn e° they. were much indebted to the Right Hon. Genoese, for bringing the matter under the notice of the be the for it was most necessary that there should not e eves ;lightest ground for suspicion that there co uld e g jone an attempt m a d e t o meddle with the civil or re,, t the liberty of the p eo pl e o f M a lt a . H e c onsidered tu' it e e n• Governor-General bad acted unwisely in not Ine i l th t he ing to the people that he acted in accordance ee ple advice of the Archbishp—(Hear, hear) —for thehPitrerf, must have considered that there had been an fcreechted act on the part of the Government. He wa s t h e did" that the question had been brought forward, ft cussion would not be without its use. a acte d Mr. EWART considered that the Governor ha d eeople incautiously; he had not taken care to inform th e r co on what grounds he had taken the niese er n le have plained of. Had he done so no complaint w o uld ba y° arisen. He thought that the island of Malta e . h,`i sete ei, a system of representation ; if such were e sti oith ful tu believed the people would be more loyal an d the interests of the British crown. whe t g a l •eal Sir DE LACY EVANS wished to kni;j, corn' there was any disturbance resulting from t La e that induced the Governor to interlero• r f a ine n t he Mr. II A.WES stated that great die t `, l ; e de nl °- arisen, and many compl a i nts h a d been l ' er eot• tit ,f subject prior to the interference of the G ov Sir DE LACY EVANS said that the exP ile c o lons" the Right lion. B aronet t h e Secretary tor t 1 had given a different tone to the subject. feeen ee t'' Mr. P. BORTHWICK said that, the dispatch of Mr. Gladstone, he mus t say, would (lei excessive light the lines app e n a dei stand it. The Hous e any person to read it so to u u n the subject, and were seemed quite in the dark it- • I the co n ' carnival w i t h the masque, and confounding the was p erfectly inexplicatie. duct of the Governor " •T sto with Itedaele itt; . me. B . •EsCOTT"taid that he was It a o 3 th e w hether it was the wish of the Govern ment 11,1')!ee House should condemn or approve the conduct ~hs Governor. He thought there had been a groes in er a he of the civil and religious liberties of the people of re by the Governor. He repeated that both civil en_ ne e ligious liberty had been violated by the acts o f this ;e.. vernor. The people of Malta met together in seethey ance with the custom of th e count ry , and althoug ore " had committed no brea ch of the public peace. lbeY hee r ' ) arrested and imprison ed for doing so.—(Elee r *li e loa e If this was not earedaninfringement of be ci some bang vil aed Pert , ee tti e Pte dl l ok b w e e rni a masque on a Sund a y was an infringement t t 3 :, it app Colonel FOX confessed that he did not thin k P o s uss civil m r o . r . having HUME liberty, to . ten divide, declared his deternnnea her for Mr. P. HOWARD said, as the Hon. take ten It clear that this Carnival, besides being Montrose intended to go to a division, he ( P et : - liberty of sa3ing a few words upon the su b -l e — ant in is f l inc o enle r- ee nature, was sanctioned by long time o nd , e t glit to usage, and the Governor, in his opinit )dicl.;e" e ar, ce , paused before he took the proceedings b e eau " hear.) He did not., however.; , think any S O his ee - e , follow a division, and lie therefore suggo t tawitfe ho of Friend the Member for Montrose, who he" - haniPl °- and he trusted would continue still to be, the n ithdr ovine civil and religious liberty, the propriety of vi the motion. Mr. FOX M AIME agreed with the Hon.., t eettet p ally of. that he could not see what good could re Go fer the use division. It would be a co:lsere upon the go ee and before the House went so far, he begge% Could the to remember that the Carnival, , beforteh:v Go vern; celebrated, required the sanction of. r °eo sin : he —(Hear, hear.) Now, on this particuta hied, e d consent of the Governor bad not been obta try a e clear wasove r object of the people it was tolerably n _ tower ee or re having do away with the governor's juriedictio overnore.ee, it altogether.—(Hear, hear.) The g ee putre _ 1 ; found it to be a custom which all wise peop le ex i s teu_ refused to allow it to continne ; a custom not T h e at Rome, and followed only at Malta. Catholic P° would find, he was sure, that the Roman Gentlenians woul d pulation went with him. mem ber no t Mr. C. BERKELEY hoped the Hon. , tau% with press his motion to a division. He fountou, b as t with•the governor putting down the custo u the manner of his doing so. k n ew 0f the Mr. eI•CAR From what he ke t therhole colony of Melia, he was inclined to suspec t he e soinetning more than appeared to the llor r i e e g ion !". these was an indirect interference with t he college the potpie of the country. There was r teach er ereoe the p t he of the Italian language. and cons idered a .. 0 en be a Matte into which the rector wi-died to int ouuu bee fitted for this purpose would be Ito t han Governor positively refused to aillew a any of_ that British sutuect to teach the Italian languag e say d .- - Ti le CHANCELLOR of the E.A. ctitQuElt 4 - 4140ut 9,460144 igvai tiii 4 OOP the remark mede by the last speaker duced lia a Vre N Op t tit a , !rid 'Q -1 I, tke, i)41,1 PO Iv,