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Hon. rriend (Mr. ronsonby), in voting t gainst aid ntsolutiota. • Mr. ANri'Nt obie&ed against putting the grant on the merits of the Princesses. It was taking an invi dious ground of argument ; for it exposed those who opposed the grant to the implication of hav ing doubted the existence of such -Merits. ..The House, he thought, was bound to vole for inquiry before the grant. He complained, that, notwith standing all the money voted to support the splen dour of the Crown, there should have been but. one Court held this year, and Maintained that the House should consider whether the 70,0001. applicable to the payment of his .Royal Highness's debts might riot some of it be directed to other purposes. Mr. PONSONRY agreed with hit Hon. Friend (Mr. W. Wynne) that nothing could be more unfair than to argue the question in such a way as to throw an odium upon those who opposed it. The chara6ters of those who were the objeas of the bounty of the Hcuse formed no part of the consideratio❑ ; i( they did, the Right Hon. Gent. should have made his mo tion many years ago, as the Princesses could not be , supposed to have acquired all their amiable qualities since the illness of the King. The question ouw was, whether there was any ground for the anti cipation proposed, and the only inquiry s.hould be, whether they were likely toadept such a change in their situation speedily as would require an increase Of expence It had been said that, the additional 10,0001. a year to: the Queen 1k as made without any regard to the expences she might incur in this re speat as conne6ted with the younger branches of the family, but he would state that that was not the ground on which it was - argued by the House, - and he would appeal to the recialle6lion of all present, whether the removing of the Royal daughters from place to place was not enumerated among the reasons for the demand ? These grants ought to be placed on an intelligible footing and if they were regulated by the age of the parties, all could not make their claims, as all were ❑ot of equal ages. Mr. HENRY THORNTON thought it right that the Princ'eSseS should have establishments separate limn the Prince, but no inconvenience could result from postponing the grant until after the Report of the Committee. Mr. WROTTESLEY spoke in favour of the post ponement. - _ . Mr. BAktHAM said he would ask the Right Hon. Gentleman, (Mr. Perceval) not as Counsel to the Princess of Wales, but as Miniver of, the country, how he could recommend this expellee, while he overlooked another illustrjous personage with whom they were more immediately conneded ? Mr. TIERNEY said, he felt himself justified by the silence of the Right Hon. Gent. in assuming it as a fad, that the :separation of the Prince and Prin cess of Wales had his sandion. (A cry of No, no !) Then the Committee would do well to recoiled that the Princess of Wales had not one farthing,of her own above 50001. a year, but was indebted for all: beyond it to the bounty of the Prince. Why ought she not to be rendered, independent ? The Right Hon. Gentleman was bound to inquite into this.— He and the Lord Chancellor ought to know whether the inTriry had proved disgraceful or otherwise ; and it disgraceful, ought to have withheld alt. -If his Majesty was to die she would ascend the Throne. Did the Right Honourable Gentleman mean to say she was unfit to be a Queen of this country Why did he cast off one client for the purpose of taking another ? The Right Hon. Gentleman was bound to state what had produced this change. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that its to what he was bound to do as far as it affeded his own character and condud, he should always judge - for himself. He did not know with what view the Right llon.Gentleman now 'came forward, but he had no objection to state, that neither in his character as Counsel to her Royal Highness, in which he had important duties to perform, nor as Minister, nor in any other capacity, did he see any means of bringing a charge against her Royal High ness, nor did he entertain any opinion calculated to throw the slightest reflection upon her, further than this he should not state. As to the situation of her Royal agline•s, he had no instruction to propose any additional grant ; but if the Right Hon. Gen tleman, who now, fur the first time, suggested it, could induce Parliament to think favourably of such a measure, be should be inclined for one to give that. disposition its full effed. Mr. TIERNEY said, his reason for alluding to the subject at present was, because the question now inessed upon the House. Such grants, the Right lion. Gentleman knew as well as he did, ought to proceed from the recommendation of the Crown, •nd thetetore he (Mr. Tierney) should have little chance of succeeding in it. All they knew at pre arnt, and lie begged them to bear it in their minds, as, i-hat the Princess of Wales remained a dependent vii the Prince. Mr. C. ADAMS thought the matter should . be sifted to the bottcm. Mr. WHITBREAD . thought it extraordinary that the tight_ Hun. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) shuuld recommend Parliainent to send a message to the Prince. 'He bad stated that he re ceived no instruaion to propose a grant to the Prin cess of Wale's, that was, in other words,• he had gi%en no advice to that effect. They had heard the Right Hon. Gentlerrian state but a tew minutes ago, that no imputation could attach to her Royal High s ess, hut he should not forget that she did at one time stand stigmatized, that he was once about to publish in her defence, but that she still temained tinvindicated., It was extraordinary, that after the appointment of Lords of the Bed-chamber, who, in Lis Majesty's present affliaing situation, could disc charge no other fonaion of their otECe than that of 'satisfying the applications of his anxious subjeas, public should be informed of the state - :of his Majesty's health only once a month. This, he thought, not an improper time to ask the questions thaf hiid been put. The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER said, what I e liiift-s!'ated with respe& to the Princess of Wales, etas; that neither in his situation as Counsel to her Royal Lt.gliness, nor in any other chara6ter, was be conscious that there existed a ground of charge.— He should'al ay s prepared to nlaJce. the same statement. Mr. LOCKHART spoke.a few words in a low tone of voice.' Mr. tLusroN thought the object of the,Meisage IWAL NEWS. . . PLVM6iiTii, MAR j?,. -.--Yesterday fterno9d; about five o'clock, a boat belonging - to the Lord Cochrani hired armed brig ;that arrived here RI the morning) was up: set by a heavy sea in the Sound, and; we regret to state, t of the crew were untOrtunatclf drOwned ; the others Were pia ed up by a pilot-boat belonging to Caw Sand, which hap:- pelted to be cruizinknear at the tint,: the accident hapliened:_ We stated yesterday the arthal of a nip tarel frotd France, which Is the Perseverance, froth the Isle of France; list from L'Orient, where she arrived abotit two montlid since with French prisoners ; the Perseverance is hound here; having on board a liritish Commissary, and manned , with French Seamen, 24 in number ; .during the_storin on Friday night last she received damage. We stated yesterday the arrival of the Chesterfield packet" from the Brazils ; she brought four passengers. Arrived last night in , very great distress, a brig- from Car.: dill; with a cargu bound to London ; during the storm on Friday night she received considerable damage; the sail were blown from the yards, every article on deck was wasli ed overboard by a heavy sea, together' with two of her crew who perished: the Master of the vessel and one other of the crew, had a very narrow escape. Put in here by stress of weather the following merchant men, which received damage during the storm on Friday night, viz. ship British Army, I ver, from Londcn, .in bal last, for Rio de Janeiro; the sloop 'Hope, Jones, from Dub lin with a cargo, coraisting of sugar and coffee, bound to Guernsey ; the galliot Hope, Balfour ; and the brig Margaret, Simpson ; both from London, with cargoes bound to Gib raltar. Arrived last night the Dantzie ship Font* Brothers, John Bouktiim inatery trom Port 'mouth, in ballast, botuarlto Li.. verpool ; in going up Cat water she ran aground, but was got ollagain shortly alter, and we understand, has not received any material damage. • DRA.L, MAitcu 23.—Arrived his Majesty's ship Tremendous, having lost sight of the L'Orient squadron his Majesty's ship Drake, from off Flushing, and the De— fender lugger, after seeing her convoy safe to PortsmOuth. PonTsmourn, 111A.scH e3.—Arrivedthe Java and Madagascar, formerly French frigates; and the Euphrates , and Monarch East Indian - fen, from St. Selena, &c ; the Mary transport, Cu►mnings, laden with Government stores, is lost at the Cape of Good Hope. His Majesty's ship in.' net is appointed cOuvoy for Cork, and the nitermodiate ports in the Channel. - TORBAY,. MANCH 22. Arrived last night b:* Majesty's ships Iphigene, Fylla, Pickle, and Serapis, and another King's ship, with a fleet bound to Lisbon, etc, they experienced a severe gale on Thursday night, which, threatened the loss of the greater part of them. Fortunate.. ly not a mast was lost, although most of them split their sails. A fleet is now colleeling in Tor Roads to join the next convoy for Newfoundland, expelled here the first week 41 April. SUFFOI.K ASSIZES. HORRID MURDERS. MAJiCIi 21. Edmuns, alias Edawri Th ßuaY row er: was inclined for the nrurde'r of Elizabeth Carter, at Cratfield, Suffolk, on the !6th Oeober,' 1793. —This prisoner was brought to - justice be a chapter of accidents. He confessed the murder to on Heads, soon after it was committed; nut Heads, - according to his statement,' knew lie was so muds -- given to speaking falsehoods that he disbelieved hint. The murder is just similar to that of the Marr and" Williamson families. The prisoner went alone and knocked out the brains of Elizabeth Carter, as she, was fastening her window-shutters, and then be went into the house and killed her father in a stmt. far manner, whilst the old man was sitting in his. arm-chair. Some veers after this, Heads, who had never before heard from any one but tli. — erisoner that a murder of that sort had been committed, -, heard another idol, in Norwich goal lamenting that he had always been suspected of that murder innocently, and Heads recollected the confession the prisoner had made to him several years ago, of which he had made depositions before two Magistrates ti years since, but Thrower, the prisoner, -was never heard of, and was supposed to be dead. There is a common observation, that " Murder will out,'' and the manner by which the prisoner was brought to justice is extremely singular. At the time of am national alarm at the horrid murder of the M,ar and Williamson families, M. Archdee,•on Oldershaw, a magistrate, was observing to a Mr. Fox, in commcm conversation, that a murder resembling tho s e had been perpetrated at Cratfield, 19 years ago, and in mentioning his taking the depositions of Heads, 110 - he observed Thrower was suspeeted, V he never was found. Now; Mr. Fox had a legacy to pay Thrower's wile, which could not be dune without her husband'Ssignature, and through this incident the prisoner was taken into custody, as' well as Heads, both.of whom had been transported. Heads, in his evidence, told the same story he had done.ll years ago, oh the priweer's and a person proved having heard a female on the night of the murder, arid that he saw a man run from the house. The body of the young wo man was proved to have been found in the garden, which corroborated [lead's story. There being other strong circumstantial evidence, the prisoner was found " Guilty," and ordered tor execution on Monday, at Ipswich,- and afterwards- his -body to be disseCied. Mr. KLINE, the Admiralty Me4senger, •has 4suf feted more severely by his tail from his horse than was at fiat apprehended. His shoulder Was dislo cated, three of his teeth were km:cked out; and his body .was shockingly bruised in many places: This day there was no Court of /Wei - meth—The Loan MAyott, after inspecting the returns, Aordered it to rise 2d. per peck, making the oartern loaf 18d. 1511( 1!. The Lady of John Vernon, Esq. of Orwell Park, SufLik, of a' Daughtt:t. 11141{1?IkD. Lately, at St. Petersburgh, Sir itobert Ker Porter, to Princes; Marie Scheib:4[off. On IVednestlay, at Bath, I. H. Holder, Esq.. of Cerney- House, Gloucestershire, to Miss Ann E,cins, youngest dAugh ter of the late Rev. lelnry Elcins, Dean Ol DIED. On the Bth inst.'at London, the lion. George Leslie. On Sunday morning l ast, in his 7tst year, at his house at Tottenham-green, Eenjamin Godfrey, Esq. Yesterday morning, at his house in Noah:Otani-place, fount ‘Vigrarn, Esq. LONDON : Printed by.IH()MAS WOOD, of No. 35, Maiden-lane, Covent-garden; aid Published by WI I LIAM A R MIC ER SCRIPPS, South Molton-street, Gr.mvepor-squarti, At Ns SUN OniCi:, No, 112, strand; where ildverlisomonts, Orders for the Paper, Letters for the Editor, &c. (post-paid), must be addressed. vrstiggitt, aiiz objcaed tti the Itiatitidr in Which at - 6 Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Ex chequer) was catechised ; he thought it unvatlia mentary; indelicate ; and highly improper. The in terference of the House in - such a case, was; like all interference between man and wife, ill-judged. -Sir- .1. NEWPORT 'protested against the doctrine that the - House was not justified in catechising the Minister, especially on all money grants. There was something mysterious in the transaction, as it appeared .before the Public, and the questions be thought therefore proper. As to the book, he wish ed to know whether- the Minter's name was to it, or vvliethef, as had been reported, it was printed' in the Right Hon. Gentleman's own House ? The • Resolution was then agreed -to, and the House having been resumed, the Report was order ed to be received to-morrow. Mr. WV N F. gave notice that he would to-morrow move for a copy of the instrument by which Colonel M'Mahon had been appointed Private Secretary to his Royal Highness the. Prince Regont. _ _ _ _ Mr. WHITBREAD w:shed to know whether Co lonel Taylor (his Majesty's Private Secretary), was yet in office; and, if so, from what fund his salary was paid ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied in a low tone of voice ; but we understood the Right Hon. Gentleman to say, that Colonel Taylor's sa lary was paid out of the fund voted by Parliament for her Majesty's establishment. The Members' Oaths B•li went through a Can-'• mittee—Ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. BANKRUPT MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT-. Mr. THOMPSON moved the seconA reading 'of, the Bill for preventing Members of Parliament be6Om ing Bankrupt from retaining their seats in the House of Commons. Mr. WROTTESLEY thought that it wou'd be hard case, in times like the present, for any man, who, by accident, might . become a bankrupt, to be compelled to vacate his seat, Mr: H. SMITH could not see why persons who had suffered so severe an execution as an aa of bankruptcy, should be more hardly punished than those who suffered a less severe execution, but who were equally unable to pay their debts. The Law ought to apply generally, or not at all. In the pre sent situation of the country, the mere circum s tance of becoming a bankrupt did not, in .his opinion, render a man unworthy of a seat in that House. He trusted some consideration would be had for those whose bankruptcies were attribatable to misfortune alone; and 'he declared that he bad knoWn more in stances than one of bankrupts who had evinced by their conca& the highest sentiments of honour. Mr.Locxn A 11T thought great credit wa due to the Honourable Gentleman who introduced this B:11 into 'the House: So far were the proviiions of it from imposing a particular hardship that the various existing Statutes, if they were strictly interpreted, would in his opinion-disqualify a bankrupt from re taining .his seat, and would authorise a motion for a new writ in the case of a bankruptcy. Now the proposed measure did not go ,to an immediate re moval ; hut 'left the possibility of ultimately retain ing the seat. He did not doubt that many bank rupts entertained sentiments of high honour ; but such an argument as that, op that account alone, they should not vacate their 'seats, went against all, qua lificationi whatever. • Mr. W. SMITH contended, that the Legislature had wisely declared, that a Member of the House of Commons should have . a certain qualification, that he might be independent of any corrupt mo tives. A bankrupt necessarily declared himself not worth a shilling, and were that the sole ground of objeaion to a bankrUpt'S retaining his seat in Par liament, he should think it amply sufficient. Mr. WYNNE argued in favour of the 1311, Mr. LAMBE observed, that the Qualification Aa provided, that a Member should have a certaihqua lification when he took his seat, but further it-did not go. He could not give his consent to a Bill which appeared to him to trench upon one of the first rights of the "subjea, namely, an illegibility to sit in that ,House. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEOLVER allowed that the existing law was anomalous; for Irish Members becoming becoming bankrupts, vacated their teats, while English did not ; but the Hon. Gentleman, who brought is the Bill, had introduced provisions from the Irish AO, whiehlwere not appli cable to the English law of bankrupts. To equalise the situation of the Members of both countries in this respea, the law must be embarrassed with many provisions of a different nature. At present, the Bill appeared to him to be extremely defective. An interval of six months was allowed by it after the bankruptcy, before the exclusion of the bank rupt from the House. In the course of that time, either by gift, bequest, or his own exertions, the bankrupt might become better qualified than when he .originally entered Parliament. On the,,, whole, he thought it better to reject the Bill than to admit it with all the embarrassing provisions with which it must necessarily be attended. Air. THOMPSON declared, that his objea was to Preserve, as much as possible, the independence of Parliament, and to prevent persons who possessed no qualification, from sitting it, that House, and making laws for the community. No doubt there were honourable bankrupts, but nine cases of bank ruptcy out of ten, were attributable to folly and im prudence. A Conntry Magistrate would look shyly at a .Justice, who presumed to sit on the bench and adrsiinister the law, after having paid his creditors a shilling or half-a-crown in the pound ; nor did he think such a person much more fit for a Legislator. Mr. D. GIDDY supported the Bill, on the princi ple that power and property ought never to be dis sociated; and therefore, that all Members of that House ought to be duly qualified by the possession of certain property. Nothing had tended more to injure that House in the public opinion, than that • bankrupts and. insolvent persons bad been allowed to sit among them ; and be was anxious to remove this stain from their chara&er. The House then divided, For the 2(.1 reading . . • 2z Against it . . . . 1 9 Milj9rity . . —3 The Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on, the cif of Mr. LUSHINGTO.N brought up the Report of the Penitentiary House Bill. Ater idtile tilsC.rissiod, iti whi6h Sri S. Mr. Holfurd, Mr. Wynne, and Mr. n, der parirci pated; the further consideration Of the Report wls deferred until to-morrow, The Report of the Committee of Supply was brought up, and the grant to the Board Of Agricul ture agreed to. Mr. LUSHENGTON brought up the Report of Lord Wellington's Annuity gill, which was agreed to. The Ids(' Militia Ad Amendment Biil, the Irish Mintia Families Bill, the Irish Soldiers Wives and Families Bill, and the Jamaica Trade Bill, were read a third lime and passed. Mr. WHARTON brOH4hE in the Bill for regulating the sale of coffee. Read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow.—Adjourned. MAILS. AkRIVID-I Dublin. 'DUE Malta Guernsey, a ler •sey, 3 Dublin, 2 Waite:ford. tn. THIS DAY AT TV4IELV6 O'CLOCK Consols. - - - 5911 15 per Cent. Navy 89 THE SUN. SOLILIVI QUIS picak FALSUM AUDEA ? L Q N D 0 iV, TUESDAY, MARCH 24, 1912. We are unable to communicate to our Readers any further intelligence respecting the L'Orient squadron. From their taking aN. W. direction, it , eems probable that Brest was their destination, and their object in going so far to the west ward ai 9. 30. might have been to avoid our cruizers. Ha% in 2, got so far, however,lto the westward, they would find i; very difficult to regain the French coast in such strong easterly winds. Letters were yesterday received from Buenos Ayres, and from Rio Janeiro, the former dated the sth January, and the latter the 25th of the same month. We are sincerely sorry to find that the iiistraaions in South America seem rather to in crease than to subside: The adjustment which took place between the Governments of Buenos Ayres, has not, as we ,hoped it would, restored perfe(L tranquility. An engagement has taken place be tween the Portuguese troops that had marched to the relief of Monte Video, and a part of the troops from Buenos Ayres. The cause of this dispute is stated in a very confused way; but Welltink it very likely it arose from a jealousy entertained of the Portuguese, who did not, as it was expe6ted they would, retire when the pacification between Elio and the Junta of Buenos Ayres took place. We hope, however, that this unfortunate dispute will, be settled, for it would be a lamentable thing to see Spaniards and Portuguese destroying each other in the New World, while in the Old they are united in the glorious cause of national in dependence. A commotion in which several lives were lost took place at Buenos Ayres : it arose from one of the regiments stationed there refusing to receive the Colonel, who had been appointed by Government. The insurgents were at length quelled, after having lost about 100 men, and when the last accounts came away-all was perfectly tranquil. A most interesting debate took place last night in the House of Commons upon the Message of the PRINCE REGENT for making a provision for the Prin cesses. The motion proposed by Mr. PERCEVAL was at length agreed to without a division. We have observed that the Opposition Writers, since they have converted their fulsome adulation of the PRINCE REGEter into utlgenerous and rancorous hostility, have professed themselves the advocates of the Princess of WALES. The motives by which these Advocates of the ,4 early friends" of the Re. gent are aduated, are too obvious to escape detec tion,• and too unworthy not to excite universal in dignation. Are these party-writers influenced, in their - present language respe&ing the Princess of WALES, by principle' or by a base spirit of re venge I If they are governed by principle, why did they not ad upon it before. Did they, when that investieation, which has been generally styl ed the " Delicate Inquiry, terminated to the honour of her Royal Highness, display any of the principle upon which they now atfed to ad ? No; directly the reverse, and we refer to the records of the day for the truth of our assertion. Did they, when the Prince first assumed the Government as Regent, once mention or even allude to the Princess of WALES. No ! not a hint, not a whisper escaped them upon the subjea. In a word, did they ever direelly or indireCtly espouse the cause of the Princess, until after the Party had ceased to hope io come into power ? No ; we defy them to produce a solitary► line to that effect. The people of England must be aware, that it is by revenge, and not by prineiple that these men are aauated, and will, we are sure, duly appreciate their professions and their calumnies. Yesterday the Dukes of CLARENCE, CUMBER. LAND, and CAMBRIDGE, Mr. PERCEVAL, and Lord CASTLEREAGH, had audiences of the PRINCE RE GENT, at Carlton House. Yesterday morning the Duke of YORK left town Windsor, where he arrived about one o'clock, and on the arrival of the QUEEN at the Castle from rrog mote, gave an audience to his Royal Highness, who remained closeted with her MAJESTY till past three o'clock. The Java and Madagascar, two French frigates taken at the Isle of France, have arrived, with three extra Indiameh, at Spithead. The ultra ships Monarch, Euphrates, and North ampton, arrived at the Motherbank the 23d instant. The Monarch left Bengal the 6t.h of September, arrived at Madras the 96th of that month, sailed from thence the 4th of 061ober, arrived at the Mauritius the 17th of November, sailed from thence' .the twit ditto, and arrived at St. -Helena the Jd of January. The Northampton, sailed • from Bolibay 21st of August, for Madras, where she arrived the 3d of September, sailed from thence the 20th of October, and art ived at St. Helena the 3d of January.