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~~ 1 of couwriEs, atid.OrFICERS of MILITIA, camcntd by Public Arlvetti4rnent, at the Thatched House TaVein, 'on 1111.1n;L:' ;vitaeo 7 Marquis of Be „ • utenant of Bucks. m i .; ;•• • ,;,el Royal Lanark Regiment. Fact „ . of-lancashire. • East ut t 1.. ~eittenant of Ayrshire. Earl of Fit Lieutenant East Riding Yorkshire. Earl .0e 1 rtescue, Lie utznant of Devon. rattof CaiearVon, Colonel'. Wiltshire Reglinetit; Earl of Reinuev, ,Lieutenant at Kent. EArl Colonel Royal Bucks Regiment. , • Lieutenant of carnarvorisnire. • Lord Stanley Cni. act Reyal Lancashire Regiment, Lora Montgninerie, Cal. Ayrshire Regiment, Lind Folkarone, Ca pta:n Berkshire Regiment. i.ord Ebrington, Major N. Devon Regiment. • Lord G. Cavendish, Cal, Derbyshire Reeiment. Lord-Gratitit, tat Royal Surrey Regiment. Lord Braybrooke Lieutenant at Essex. Lord Cawdor, Colonel Koval Carmarthen Regiment. lion. W. Grimston, fvfajor Herttordshire Regt. Hon. It. Walpide, Colouel tVest Norfolk Regiment. Sit C. haineryide, Captain ist Somerset Regiment. Sir W. W. Wynta4 Lieutenant Denbigh and Merioneth. Sir W. Lennox, Colonel, Royal, Cornwall Regt. W.,Braddyll, Colonel 3,1 Rapt Lancashire Regimcnt, Calcrait, Major Dorset RegiMent, B. Cooke, Colonel . 3cl West Mork, Regiment, R. Ellison,' Lient..Colonel a ßoyal North Lincoln Regt. W. Frankland, Lieut.-Colonel North York Regt. W, L. Hughes, Lietit.aColonel Royal Anglesea Regt. T. Stanley, Colonel tat Royal Lancashire Regiment. j. Lowther, Colonel ‘Vcstrriorland Regiment. The MARQUIS - of BUCK.I NG El AM having been called to the Chair, Sevetal of the Lieutenants of Counties, and Offices of Militia, who were present at the Meeting convened by Mr. Pist, tin Friday, March sat, for the purpose of considering a ' Plan for recruiting the Army from the Militia, by directing the General . Officers commancruig Brigades to notify to the Militia Regiments the powers to be 'given by Law to the Privates to enlist for Lac, in such Regiments' of the Line as may be named to receive them, at a Bounty of Ten Pounds, and for General Service, stated ,to this Meeting the Conversation that then • passed, and the objections almost universally made by every Lieutenant of"Coutny and Militia Officer then presenti• to a measure barn, which they appre hend the most' Aral consequences, as being subVeratve of every principle on which the Militia can exist with advantage to the ; and : it having been further stated, that at the said' Meeting Lord Romney propotied that. Government should be advisecttodimnbody (under the existing Law) such part-of the Militia as exceeds 40,600 Men in England, and See) Men in Scotland, and that in such case, and so soon as the respective Colonels shall have disembodied such propor tion of their Men, the Army should be enabled by Law to recruit from' and Out of the portion so disembodied in the manner pradised in the last War. , • . , Resolved, tat, That ilia enlistment into the Regular Army of Men from .the Militia is subveraive of that Establish. ment, and a violation of the Principles on which it was form ed. • .ge3OlV ad, 'That we have reason to fear that this Pro position (as we now understand it) will overthrow the tir,t Principle ofthe Militia, by leading Gentlemen of the first consideratien to decline that Service.. ' , Resolved, 3d, That,the measute suggested, by the Earl of Romney tends to remove some of the important onjee.tions.to the System proposed by Govenimmt, and might beentertain d-althouyli this Nlcetin, - ; 4r,ei.::; with his Lordship, that it dots not remove all the ConAittitional objections cc' it. Resolved, 4tll,- Thtt the to!dial Thanks of this . Meeting he gtv.it - to Lord Ronn',,,,v for his cor,tant attention to the Constitutional IL:sta3lishrovnt a the Niiiitia t and for his par- - iiouLr services and suggestions on this oecaston.. hcsolvixl, stn, That Goveminent having expressed the wish of collecting the opinions of the Lieutenants of Counties and 0 them of IVI ilitia, onithe Subjed of the Plan opened by Mr. Pitt; a Copy or these Resolutions be transmitted by our 'Choillnan oj:inion, by. tetra, direded to him in Lon n, on this intereuting matter, for the information of this IVl,;vting, to be't-ommenicat:d afterwards to the Secretary of : , ..:t.ate for the !Lome Pepartment,; and to the Chancellor ut the oth, That this Meeting be adjourned, subjeef to the call of the Ch&lthan, It esliveil, 7th, Thar the Thanks of this Matting be given to the ;vlartion. of Thickingilaui, ti.cit Chairman.. This Day was published, Iu l'hr:N , Volume 3 price Y 35. 6d. boardS, A. DE1,1P.44 .IVIOW LRAM ;' or, the Malter and • 04u . Fater. 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A lIISTOIt.OE l;e11001..S, in t pricc 7s. on ):4;.. , ..11 And hi s tie P;' , per. " • IMPE1?1111, PARLI4MENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. THURSDAY, MARCH 7. IN a Cfmmittee of Privileges, Mr. ADAM Was farther heard on behalf of the claim of Lady Henry Fitzgerald to the Barony of ROCS. Mr. ROMILLY, in behalf of Sir Thomas Windsor Hunioke, another claimant, and the ATTORNEY-GENERAL, on the part of the Crown, prayed farther time ; on which the farther consideration was pusti:oned till this day te'nnight. Mr. joIiNiTONE, from the Office of the Chief Se_ cretary for Ireland, presented an Account of the NJtes of the Bank of Ireland in circulation from January, 1804., to February, 18os; which was or. &red to lie on the Table, and to be printed. IRISII PEERAGE. The LORD CHANCELLOR expressed a wish to call the attention of their LordshipS to certain thims of Irish Peers to vote at the Eledion of Peers for Ireland, which would come before the Commit. tee of Privileges on Tuesday next. Certain claims which would then be submitted to the Committee would, he understood, involve two points on which it might be necessary fur their Lordships to bestow some consideration. The points were these : that previous to the Mt of 1782, which established the Independence of Ireland, several Patents, creat ing Peers of that Country, were granted under the Great Seal of Great Britain, and not under the Great Seal of Ireland. Subsequently to that period, also, Other Patents of a stmilar nature were likewise granted under the Great Seal of Great Britain, and not under the Great Seal. of Ireland. He mention .ed these two points in order that their Lordships might turn them in their minds previous to the• Committee ; they would recoiled, at the same time, that' they would not have to decide upon any claith to the Peerage, but merely as to' the right of voting at the Eledion of Peers for Ireland. Upon further consideration, he thought it would be 'better to postpone the consideration of these claims, from 'Tuesday to Thursday, on which latter day they 'might have the assistance of the Lord Chief Justice of the King's Bench, who would then be able to attend. The consideration of the claims alluded to was accordingly postponed till Thuliiday.—Adjourned. 110 USE OF COMMONS. THURSDAY, MARC!! 7. Mr. JOHNSTONE presented an Account of the Pensions on the Irislt Establishment, formerly or. tiered by the flouse.--Ordered to lie on the Table. A Person from the' Excheiluer presented an Ac. count of the SllmB of Money expended, and not pro.. vided for by Parliament.-- 7 Ordered to lie on the Table. " Mr. KINIVAIRD presented Petitions from Perth, Sterling, and J)umfermline, against the Corn Bill of last Session. He at the same : time stated, t? at he did not pledge himself to any particular opinion on the subjed fur the present.—Ordered to lie un the Table. The Cardross Mick Bill was brought tip; read a first, and ordered to be read a second time. Mr, STURGES BOURNR brought up the Sugar Drawback Bill, the Scamp Duty 1301, and a Bill for encouraging Trade, and preventing Smuggling in the isle of iVion. All ,read a first, and ordered to be read a second time. .HORSE DUTY BILL Mr. STURGES BoUR.NB Moved the postponement of Ihe second leading or the Horse Duty Bill till INT'lnclay next. Mr. PLOMER observed, that he had been at. tending for some time fin' the purpose of delivering his opinion on this Bill. On Monday neXt he would be engaged at the Assizes. He wished ther‘e. Byre, if it was to be put off, that it should stand for some day subsequent to Monday. Mr. STURGES BOUgArk said, that any fur ther postponement front that day might be incon. veoient to 'other Gentlemen, and, upon the whole, he thought that Monday would be the most proper time. After a few words from Mr. KINNAM6, mating tiHtt the third reading of„the Salt Duty BM Woniti prob,dily be fixed for Monday, it was agreed that the second reading of the Bill should stand foi Monday. PROPERTY TAX. Mr. 'Aroma:arm brought up the Report of the Propekty Tax Bin. Upon the Motion that it should be read a third tine e to.m.trrow, lir, CALCRAFT wished that the third read ing should Ite fixed far Monday, as he conceived t h at i t had been tile general understanding of the Ilutue that this shonld be done. An H mourable Friend of his (Mr. Fox) wished to deliver his Imp titnents upon it. Mr. KINNAIRD did bar approve of MonilaY• brothe the Salt - Duty dill , he,understoud, w as go be fixettfor that day. Mr, C ALGRAP7' said, he had no objedion to let it stand fur to-morrow, provided that it should he put of in case any controversy `should arise upon Ito The SECRETARY at WAR did not see sny pc. cessity for putting it off from to-morrow merely because his Hon. Friend wished to make a speech on it, for there would be no controversy unless an an swer shouhl be found necessary. CALCRAFT observed, that few of the speech-s of his Hon. Friend passed without :mowers, though certainly the answers were often sufficiently feeble. Mr. STURGES' BOURNE agreed, that in case of any controversy, a further postponement would be illiffiNed. Mr. C ALC: R .4F T declared his approbation ohlte }lon, Gentleman. What he said only related to the good.naturedobset vat ion of a Rijht lion. Gentleman near him. The Bill was then ordered to be read a tbild time tomorrow. SA LT PuTy Mr. At;exAliona appeared at the Bar with the Report of the Duty Jr< . 7-•,tzr•ol ‘,./1111., l/113,1 VIW, WAS Illtiligt) LIIC subject might appear to have been pretty nearly ex. kaustett already, yet he could not refrain at this time frntn stating his objedions to the Bill, which he considered as involving in it every thing mischiev.. ous that could possibly accompany a Tax. It was surprising that after a Report of a Committee of this House hod been so long on the Table, recommending the entire abolition of the Salt Duty, the first thing we should hear was a double Doty being yid on that article. It was a breach of faith in some mea sure, and must give the Country a bad impression .of Parliament itself. Suppose a case in private life, where a superior should hold out hopes to a depend ant, that he should be relieved from grievances of which he justly complained, what would be thought of that superior if, instead of relief, he should dou. ble the burl hen ? It was trifling with the People to hold out expedatiuns to them wit hunt attempting to realize them, So much for England. But the case was worse with respeCt to Scotland. There it - would be impossible to go through with this Bill. For merly when the Duty was los. in England, in Scotland it was 6s. 6d. From ihis it was found necessary to lower it to 4s. If it was scarcely possible then to collet it, what could be done now when the Duty wa,s so much more ?—The difficulty of making Salt in Scotland would not ac. count for the impossibility found in collecting the Duty there. This difficulty arose frbai making Salt there from sea -water, instead of salt.springs, which Contained more saline matter ; but in Scotland, they used the rock-salt of Chester in general, as well as in England. The T a x f e ll m u c h more severe ly on the poor than on the rich, far a poor marl, especially in Scotland, was compelled to live, ptincipaily , .on vegetable food, which required a great quantity of Salt to stimulate digestion. The net produce of the Tax in Scotland was 47,0001. This sum was nearly all expended in Bounties to the Herring Fishery, and in the+Charges of Colleetion, and there.. fore scarcely any thing was" gained by it to the Public. The design of the Society for improving the Highlands, as appeared from their Reports, w as to prevent, as much as possible, the augmentation of the tax'on Salt, which had so bad an efillet on the Herring Fishery. In the year 1796, in the Isle of Man, where the duty did nut exist, the inhabitants were abOut seven thous And. They had since in. creased to 30,000, chiefly, perhaps, ()Wing to their exemption tram this duty. He had another ()bk. tion to the tax, which was, that this heavy itutden was laid on the people, for paying the interest of the five millions Subsidy to be given to the Powers on the Continent. We had nn inf ornation of the na. tore of .the service to be performed for it. It was in vain to subsidize the Northern Powers, because, in order to make an impression on France, the co. operation of one or both of the Great Powers con.. tiguous to France was necessary. Mr. ROSE remarked, that the Hon. Gentleman had laid great stress on the Report of the Corn. mittee r and considered the House, in consequence of that Report, as pledged to the repeal of the, Duty on Solt. The Report of the Committee was not, perhaps, of so much value as had been ,imagined. They mention several -Bounties which might be, withdrawn if the duty was remitted. These bounties were given for things with which the• Salt Duty had no connexion. The House certainly was not pledged by any thing in that Report to ;emit the duties. With regard to the five millions of Sub. Tidy, the proper time for discussing that would be when it was brought forward. With resped to the Isle of Man, the same regulations prevailed there as in Scotland and England. Mr, KINIVAIRD said, that if he had any doubts before of the necessity of having the Report before the House, these doubts were now removed, since the Right Hon, Gentleman,, who had just sat down, had the Report in his hand, and had therefore an unfair advantage. The House had come to a vote that the Report ought to be'printed for the use of the Members. Was that done .without any object No ; it certainly was understood that they ought to have it in their hands before the Bill proceeded. Yet we were now proceeding before that vote had b een c om pli e d with. It was a, shame that the should be so deceived. He then stattd the different periods since the Union at which the Salt Duty had been laid upon Scotland, and the difficulty that was always found in paving that duty. This Bill would operate as a discouragetnent to the Fisheries:, and would !only have the effed of pro moting Smuggling. There was an essential chemi. cal differet,ce between the Sal; in Scotland and that of England; Mr. Rose explained. Mr. HUSKISSUN reptia to the arguments em. ployed by Mr. Jolt risi'otte ono! Mr.lCtritiAritb..ln. stead of the case of a superior and his dependant, as put by Mr. jctkiN VFON 11, this ought rather to be con. sidered as the case of a marioer.at.sea, to whom the Captain should promise rest and good cheer when they were in better Circumstances but, in the even t . of the di ffi culties Increasing, i t would. not be unrea. sonable - to say to the Mariner, that for the present he must work harder arthe pumps than ever. Mr. HURST contended, that it. was . direaly on trary to the pOlicy of, Parliament to lay additional taxes on the necessaries of life. This tax was there. ( t iro extremely exceptionable'. • • Mr. HITMISSON explained. Mr. CALCRAFT said, that he certainly con. sidered it to be the understanding of the 1 - 19 use, that this Bill was not to be pressed forward till the Re. port of the COmmittee.shoUld be printed. The Re. port was extremely necessary. The Right lion. Gentle Man (Mr. Rost) . ought to have stated Something more, since he had began to read the Report. lie would mention another paragraph to the House. He then read a .passage, strongly re. commending the repeal of the duty. Another reason for r not proceeding with the Bill was the absence' of the Minister. He hail not heard that he was disposed in consequence o f the b us i ness of yester. day, though, to be .tire, he might be gilled and sore. As to'suggesting any new ~tax as a subsitute for this, that belonged to the Gentleman on the other side,' though an Hon. Bar onet behind him had drspped something that might be useful, The poor man, he contended, . would now pay a twentieth of hex income to Government for. Salt. This was mon„ 'trona, and ought not to he endured. s.lllTif had many thing% - whic . l) hr iripuided to IIRTC 5111 G, Hasa tie TIOI DM) In agt it ”•-- ticipated. He would, however, beg leave toethis few words to what had been said on this sobjea. There were many people who carried on Inimufg' - tories for soap in a small way, who used sioOdftliM instead of the Barilla used by the grePt inan ubc. curers. They had stared to him that their pats had almost entirely been swallowed up by the lets Duty on Salt. They would now therefore be en• tirely ruined. One great objet with Govern me9V was, the encouragement of the Herring F is4l, and the Right Ho n . Ge n tleman had said, that he ie. tended to bri ng i n a Bill for that purpose; bu t °a . encouragement could ever be effltual withoni tho' repeal of the S a l t D ut y. He had been on the C oo " anittee which m a d e the Report so often mention& The Right Hon. Gentleman had said, that that PIP mittee had stated, that various bounties might b e withdrawn if the Salt Duties were repealed, Oar these bounties were given for things having noion• nexion with Salt. He would perhaps find, ever, that in these works Salt was employed; oth er ' wise the Committee must have beet - . devoid ofioal. mon sense, which he, knew they were not. r e restrietions and revenue laws must hemultiplied tQ consequence of this duty. The difficulty of An din g• a substitute would be i ncr eased by • the additin(Tl. duty., He concluded, by reading a statement m ade to him by a person wh o had long been in the eril!.. ploymen t o f t h e f is h er y, explaining the !vin ° ! effeas of b e i ng restr i& e d .as to the quantitt !: Salt used ; an d sa id, that the Salt Duty wa s at. . tainly one of the greatest impediments to the , provement of the fisheries that at present exhted; Mr. STURGES BOURNE observed, 0 ° could not be expeded that the Bill should he delsl4 .1 till the R e p ort came u p, f or. it was well known that it could not b e immedi a tely printed on sec ant ; the pre s ent sta t e.o f t h e printing trade. A ll Ina faeluters of soa p might use barilla as well $ 9 Wa° ashes ; and as t o the fisheries, This duty wo° l l llol. „ i i ' aired them, as at all events they would be P eimd " to go on ditty free. Mr. FOX said, that there was one point Oil. he wished to have exaaly ascertained. 11 se em to be agreed, th a t t h e S a lt o f ScotlScotlScotland WAS irler-14 in'quality t o th a t of E ng land . He Wig& t° ka° exactly, the degree- of difference between 1 11 0 v : i i.. On the one hand, great injosi ice might hr d6ne ol • Scotland, in case,the consumption was gra' .; 0 4, • on the othe r h a nd, 'i n case t h e f o od used in SO ? it ,. was much easier cured, such as Salt Fish, ths fl don i f iod in England, then some injustice might b e e % ; olatao(tunrcitrieril,tigpo:%w:vsuiolriunilundc much England. Ir e en o l per , .• . peck. Mr. SMITH explained.. The Report was then received. c hid Mr. KINNAIRD gave notice, that on the . 10 „,:: . ! . hr .:nri H de : rpi w etek, isb o e i d fais tii yint . k ifie o g i oo t o‘ . reading, t he would move an Amendment. NIA might tinned it now, in order that the Scotch NIP" might he apprised of it. L . The Bill was then ordered to be read that. on Monday next. of M L;:11., /i r . IRISH BUSINESS. i _ 00' Al o in k e O n V li t 0 r an Account Circulation in o f f e r a c ini.i. A:: : :, dered. ~,,fillr ' ' Sir jolt), NRWPOR T moved for an M o ° sl '; no. Expenditure of the Money granted for Slate 4 1 cutions in Ireland.—Ordered. ~ , 6 01). y . F ex T p z e G nci s M( M me r with the Plans and EAirnates, tire. &C. on,l 117- y For e a d AL io D r ro c o i v v e i d i f ß or ui a h n iin A gs ee i o n u i ni fte. - : t oi n fi d t i an Account of the Expenditure of the '"A fi d -r tgli'l the apprehension of Criminals in Ireland.--u.3-g . Adjourned. . , „ Alt it v Gottenbur " gh 4 , l :b s. ublin, d. lluz -to 1 - tanxburgli, 2 Gottenburgn, x Lisbon► lin, Waterford. waterfOr aubi PRICE OF STOCKS Conots 5S I Omniutri . TNIS DAY AT 7' , 71 VI O P CV ICIE. p THE SUN• SOLL:A QUIZ DICIAI FAL6III4 AUDIE- A L 0 N D 0 N, PRIDAY, MARCH 8,. 1805• A Messenger has arrived with tiisvaichc' tr y's St. Petetsburgh and StockhOlM. raw 'We are extremely sorry to learn, by ou r ive i mouth Letter of this morning, that a Vessel ' lv o, there from the M e di terranean , has brought in'r h gence,' that the Arrow Slbop . of War, with a ' and twetitY-five Sail out Of thirty M60 31°1 0 ; 1 bound from Malta to England, have been captured by two French Frigates. r . ~ . ••••••11111111111 ,0 . d ir 11 Tuts morning a Goitenburgh Mail sal ve t o which we have received Hamburg' b PPP" I° zoth'ult. ' oll i dater! 001, Jr is stated in Letters from Lyons, 05' January, that Lord NILIiON had taken l't )ls Fl ot of the Island of Minorca, and' that the Vu l° n rg was within -12 leagues , of 1 Bland but bay' ' gUeS t lac , . s t , A jrO C received intelligence of its surrender; had - l ot under their Con v . ' ately returned to Toulon . . We have not' th e I , s pi of deciding at present what ,degree of "' di( ' l O I ° to this report ; but one part of it appea rs so letr c h ° a v t fir a me French db ya Letterfro h ni ad l' a e r g r t iv p e r d n' at htilc : l3lt. fi l'a t i l i; that which had parted from the Toulon Fig' `') Island of Sardinia., f n Pt" It now seems pretty clear that the Tou'c'- might did aetually put to sea, a -I one of its ohjea s , t o n( i n ert O tni r, bit Ve been to throw reitt'lnrcernents 'f f ol'' If, howevq, their ultio3tt4 destinario "I 1 , 4 41 ~,,, tic P/i t . 1 #it .14