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DECRETAL ORDER Of . the HIGFI COURT cif CHANCERY, made in a Cause, " SEWELL against FORSTER," ?THE' NE ,T of KIN of wILLI.Am FOR., sTEtt, late of Wells-next-the-sea, in the 'County of Norfolk, W; M ....et....tant, deceased, o ( w h t died on the 27th day of January, 1820), who were living at the time of the Death of the said William Forster, and if any of swell Next of Kin have died since the Death of the said.Williani For ster, then the Personal Repreientative or Representatives of such. Next of Kin who have died, are, on or before the 4AOI day of February, 1824, to come in mid make out their Claims before FRANCIS CROSS, 'Esq. One of the Matters of the said Court, at Chambers, in Sontlisinfiton Buildings, f.;hancery-lane, London, or in default thereof they will be peremptorily excluded . the benefit of the saki Order. THONIAS TILItURY, Plaintin Solicitor. 'Jan. 17, 1823. Falcon-street, Falcon square.. 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Mr. Cobbett appeared in front and at a little distance on the right hand of his Lordship ; the remainder of the raised, platform was occu pied by a numerous assemblage of the Magistracy and Gentry of the County. Immediately on taking the Chair, Earl SOMERS addressed the Meeting, and proposed that the Requi sition for calling the Meeting, addressed to him as Lord Lieu tenant, should be read ; after which his Lordship again ad. dressed the assembly, and said that in pursuance of that requi sition he had thought it his duty immediately to assemble the county, for the purpose of considering the propriety of address. ing both Houses of Parliament on the great and increasing distress of the agricultural interest. A previous requisition, very respectably signed, had been addressed to the High Sheri but he had refused to comply with it. 'Be (Earl Somers) would ray very little at retard their 'entering Upon their proceedings but having been placed^in the chair, he felt an imperative duty, as the only ineansof renderingthe meeting useful to the avowed object for which it was assembled (the relief of agriculture), most earnestly to recommend them strictly to tulhere to the support of that object. He hoped all extraneous, or even doubt ful, matter, would be avoided ; • above all things, he hoped, on that occasion, and in that plac:, there would be no introduction of party feeling: " We meet for the relief of agriculture— let us adhere to that point." There were, ,no doubt, many present, who disapproved the general line of conduct pursued by his Majesty's Ministers; he would beg of them, if they really meant to obtain assistance for agriculture, to give no expression to their sentiments: they might be very proper for them to entertain and express on other occasions, but it could not contribute to forward the object which they had ' in view 'at present. On the other hand, • he would address himself to those who with him approved the general conduct of his Majesty's Ministers, and would beg them also to restrain their feelings. Ii they thought that all which might have been done for agriculture in its pre sent unhappy state had riot been done, they ought not to stif fer their partiality to interfere with the present question, which ought to be discussed on its own merits, without any party feeling; and he for one, 'Auld so consider it. One other topic there was, which he would state, to prevent that meeting being perverted, ns some others had been, which had been summoned on sirnilar occasions. " Let us, agricultural ists," said the Noble Lord, " avoid any divisions among our selves. The most ruinous disunion, and one which will ren der relief impossible, is a disunion between landlord and tenant." • The 'interests of the landlord .and tenant were the same ;—if the landlord were relieved, lie could do with less rent ; if 'the tenant, he could afford to pay more, their interests were obviously the same, and any attempt to divide ' would only ruin' both. It appeared to him that landlord and tenant were like mariners embarked: in the same vessel ; 'they had different ports, but all were interested in bring ing the bark safely into port..' Unforturiatt events, such as shipwreck, had happened, and then the crew, so friendly whilst the vessel was prosperously proceeding, had been driven to the 'wretchedness of devouring each other. Unless they were driven 'to that extremity, the interest of landlord and tenant was the • Same ; let them avoid coining to such a lamentabl e ca t astrop h e . They had the highest authority for the truth that a house divided against itselVcOuld not stand ; and it was a maxim also of politicians, diuQe et irti:periri, u divide and command." If any attempt was Made to divide them they might depend upon it, it was for some purpose of the party attempting it. - His Lordship concluded by saying, he had thought it his duty to say thus much, and should now w a it to h ear any gent l eman who should think fit to address the meeting. • • . • Mr. PATT7FIRALL said; as,the individual who had flak pro posed the meeting, he was induced first to present Mimi& to its notice. lie had been urged to do it by 'the knowledge he had of the unexamined distresses attic country and the awful con. Sequences of further &lay. • After what had Wien front the: Noble Lord in the chair, lie would not delay them l o n g , b ut would propose to r ea d the whole of a series of Resolutions which he had prepared, to put thnineeting in possession of the tenor of them, and afterwards he would move that the Ist resolution be approved. .The lion. Gentleman then read his Resolutions. " That it is the opinion of this meeting that the agricultural Interests of this country are at this , time in a state of unexam. pled depression and distress. " That such depression and distress may, among other causes, be attributed to the sudden return to cash payments, and to an excessive over-proportion of . public burdens pressing upon land. That the measures most likely to lessen such de pression and relieve such distress would be some or all of these hereinafter suggested. Ist. 'Perseverance in strict attention to general retrenchment and public econotny. 2d.' Repealing taxes which press directly on land and agricultural produce ; and with a view to seine immediate relief this country, the repeal and remission of half the hop duty, a measute content. plated in the last Session of Parliament, obliging personal pro. perry to contribute its due proportion to the maintenance of the poor, and otherwise amending the Poor Laws in conformity to the letter and spirit of the 43d of Elizabeth, upon which statute those laws are founded ' and further to contribute to other ex pences incurred for the benefit of the public at large; which are now exclusively thrown on the' proprietors and occupiers of land. 3d. A legislative re-consideration of the Currency Act, with a view to some modification that may tend to relieve agri. culture. The introduction of a more simple mode of collecting tuxes by which millions might be saved by the public, and the substitution of a justly modified property tax in lieu of assessed tuxes not affecting any gains in course or acquisition, whether professional, mercantile, or agricultural, to be imposed equally on all actual vested property, real and personal. 3th. A re duction of the legal interest of money to four per cent. " That it is the opinion of this meeting, that the aforesaid suggestion of means for relieving agriculture are justified by the tact, that whilst the aggregate property of this kingdom arises from the following sources, namely, land; money in the funds, 'money on mortgage, and on other securities, besides capital employed in trade, commerce, and agriculture; the land being one only of those sources, bears nearly two parts in three of the national burdens, and that at a period when land and its produce 'are reduced to less than half of their late ye he,' which late value alone enabled them to bear such weight of taxation. " That further delay. in affording aid to the agricultural in. tercets must be productive of ruinous and awful consequences. " That it will be highly expedient to petition both lious;:s of Parliament in conformity to the foregoing resolutions, most respectfully but most earnestly imploring them speedily to adopt such measures as in their wisdom` they may deem best calculated to relieve the suffering agriculturists, without in. justice to any other class of society. " That two petitions be accordingly prepared forthwith, and that the Lord ,Lieutenant of the county be requested to pre. sent the one to the Muse of Lords, antf the Members of the County the other to the louse of Commons, and to support the prayer of the petitioners." Mr. Pattishall then moved the first Resolution, declaratory of the distressed state of aviculture. Sir IlvamEn Form IlosicY,rs begged to second that Reso. lution ; which he did, not merely because the agricultural in. terest was reduced to the state described in the Resolutions which they had heard read, nor because he entirely concurred in opinion with those who thought the agricultural interest on the brink of ruin, but because he thought that in all ranks and in all situations, it was the duty of every one who had the slightest controul over the public revenue to advocate the duties of retrenchment and economy. The GliAlll mai( then put the Resolution, when Mr.Cobbett prepared to address the meeting. The Cititinstax—" I take it for granted you are a free holder ?" Mr. CORDETT.--" Yes, my Lord, I am." Mr. Cobbett then turae'd to the meeting, and was saluted with a mingled peal of hisses and cheers ; the Chairman hav ing obtained silence, . Mr. CODUETT addressed the assembly. He said, it was impossible fur him to say a word before he htul called upon the meeting to join in applauding the conduct of the Lord Lieute.. mint of the county. Ifthat conduct had not been pursued, the meeting would not have .tuisembled,though the occupation of every farmer and the stock of every tradesman was at stake. The Gentlemen who had drawn up the Resolutions just read were their neighbours, with whom they were well acquainted. It might appear, therefore, somewhat of presumption to him to raise any thing in the way of Opposition or obstacle to what had been presented. He should have been glad to have seen measures proposed calculated to relieve the land ; but he was sorry "to say he had not. In the first place the Petition to be founded on the Resolutions would be inexplicit; it would not call for what would answer the end proposed ; and in the second place, it did not ask it in an explicit manner. It was a pity the Gentleman who proposed, that the Hon. Baronet, who seconded the Resolution had not acquainted them selves with the intenti ons o f his Majesty's Ministers.—They had explained explicitly enough, that they intended not to do what their Resolutions intended to ask. He agreed with his Majesty's Ministers in their resolution relative to the cur-. rem , . The Resolution now proposed is aimilartuMr.Western's proposition, which he (Mr. Cobbett) had endeavoured to show would 'be totally ruinous to the fanner, landlord, and trades. man, 'and if carried, a convulsion would inevitably follow ; but it was impossible the Parliament ever could carry it. The circuitous mode of getting at the fundholtier would fail them. A property tax was pretty plainly pointed out by the Reno lotions proposed, but from such a tax the Jews and jobbers. would only get a more firm lien on the landthan they had at, present, and if such an Act patted, he (Mi. Cobbett) should not be surprineti In a twelvemonth to see the Jews and jobbers obtain an Act of Parliament fur ,the sale of that Income Tax. Without coming from theZreasesa, he would tee them. 40 WM- Al if he had come from thence, what the'TreantAy *ould do. For he knew there was a book put out which he (Mr. Cobbetr) declared was written by Mr. Thos. Courtenay the 'Secretary to the Board of Control, and issued under the sanction of Lord Liverpool. Above a thousand copies of that work had been taken out of Hatchard's shop by the Mirnsters to circulate among their supporters. It was the nil. nisterial expose. He didnot blame them for it—it was their jus. titication. Throughout the whole of these discussions he never had bkuned the Ministers any inure than the Parliament. They could not have intended the distress, for no persons could mean to ruin theniselves s they were good sort of people, but they did not know w h a t t o do, and the meeting must inform them. What he now said would go forth to the whole king mom ; would not be bid under a bushel, for he had some worthy friends in London who would be sure to be informed of all, and if he said aught unfounded, it would be immediately detected. What, then, did the Ministers, in that book, say they would do ? They said they would not repeal Peel's Bill ; they would not make bank notes a legal tender; but they said they would have done it last winter, if it had nut been for hint (Mri(;obbett.) They said they would not give any more fa cility to country bankers ; that they should pay no gold on the Ist of May next. Of taxes they said: they would not take. off' more titan two millions, and that 'not with a view to die relief of the landlord or farmer they having been suffi ciently relieved last Session Parliament.- The basis of their error was what was of importance to the meeting he did not blame the Ministers for it particularly ; he believed the Opposition would have done the sane, if they had been in the same situation: Ricardo had got it so firmly into their heads that nothing could beat it out; and they said after him, " the landlords and farmers are always supposing they pay all the taxes, but it is not so ; they are paid by the consuma s" that's their error ; this was their postulation, "Things will come about beeauseeverytrade niust pay, or it will not be followed." That was the principle of Ricardo, Adam Smith, and the Scotch poli tical economists.' But how was the landlord or farrier to chang e his trade when it failed ? It was true as to traffic, but not at all applicable to real property, or what . sprung from real pro petty. s. Taxes," they say, • fall on the consumer." Mark the fallacy l Suppose I make 'candles, and sell them for 6d. a pound t he Government lay a tax of a shilling a pound on them to day. You, as the consumers, pay it; but shall I sell as many as Wore ?, Will not some of my consumers g o without, -and I must nec e ssarily sell' some for lets than they cost me? If the landlord can get sufficient rent, and the farmer got sufficient profit, then the consumers' pay; but if there be neither rent nor 'profit, then the fanner and landlord pay the taxes to be sure.' Small as the point was, and grass as was the .error when stated, it was that error from which sprung the ruin which now desolates the country. The Mi 'tutees were in the right not to change the currency; they believed ;hey should not ruin the country, hot neither could. they if they would, for men would mount their horses and say, " You shall not take away my land." Landlords had been, he would not say . the roost Ignorant, but the least in formed and most submissive of mankind. If he inherited an estate from his ancestors, would he let the Jerre and jobbers from Thange-alley come and ta k e i t away ? for was it not notorious that the tax-gatherers came and took three times as much as they ought ? Was it po ss ibl e, t h ere f ore t h at t h e land. lords should not lose their estates ? Well, then, how were they to proceed? It was said, miend the Poor Laws. The natural source for the relief of the poor was at hand, but there ought to be less poor, if England were as it ought to be. What, then, was the way to Ban the estates, for that was' the point ? To get rent. An estate without rent was like an eggshell after the meat had been taken out of it (A Laugh). They must go to the findholder ; for, as Mr. Western said, truly, they had kept faith with every one but the landlords and farmers; See the progress of information ; only twelve months ago the worthy. gentleman who now brought forward these resolAtions would have been very far' from proposing any thing which would meddle with existing interests. Mr. Parr TISRAI.I.--." Mr. Cobbett, I insist upon it that you will not be personal to me. Recollect what passed last night at the hotel." Mr. Counryr resumed. Re would not interrupt the course of his argument to say what did pass last night, and he wee sure los Lordship would approve of his conduct. Ile was not aware that he bad been personal, he had only called them worthy Gentlemen, and desired the Meeting t o mark the progress of opinio n . , He was for the meeting being as forward to express their opinion es any other county, and not be lagging behind, coming. twelve months hence to say that which they ought to say to-day: for they might be well assured, that unless the counties backed themselvee well up nothing would be done. There were KO many excuses whic:, Ministers might make if they were not unanimous. They would say," AVe can't tell what these gentlemen.ask for ; most likely they want nothing, or they would have tad us plainly what it was---(A laugh.) Ile (Mr. Cobbett) would read to them a petition such as he thought they ought to have forwarded. It was the echo of the petition which was agreed upon in the county of Norfolk. The counties must press together. llis Lordship had admonished them to unanimity. Nothing more wholesome. Let them unite en d marc h together. This was the first after Norfolk ; if the meeting agreed to it,' there would be two, and that would goon be twenty-two, and then what they prayed for would be granted. It was said Ministers ought not to be attacked,, but it was not to attack them to criti. cise their sentiments and examine their opinions. The meeting would observe the Norfolk petition recommended an equitable adjustment of the debt. What did the resolutions propose ? Why, the proposition. of Mr. Western to take away two-thirdr of the debt. What would that do ? Plunge a great number of persons in misery and ruin. When Parliament assembled, Mr. Western's proposition wcmld be brought forward. The landlords would come forward, and an animated discussion would take place, but it would be lost , by a great majority.— Mitt during the iscussione, a proposition would b e ma d e of re ' clueing -directly the interest at the national debt. Perhaps it might be bad news to sonic in the assembly, but the conse quence would be that Ministers would go out of office, new Ministers would be appointed, and the thing would be done. On the ,proposal tn his petition to sitspeud all proem for recovery of rents and tithes, what, he asked, was there of violence in it ? Was there any thing revolutionary in asking tor. the suspension of an Act of Parliament P They had a precedent for it. Last year Ministers by an Act of Parlia ment suspended the law as to Ireland. What was their ex- CutiC P—lmperative necessity. And was there nothing of im perative necessity in the situatioe of the farmer ? V ould he not feel comfortable in being secure for on e y ear ? (Mr. Cobbett) would have been, glad of such a re li e f, f or h e h a d lost 13,0001, by mortgage. Idis Lordship had talked of the dis tress as an act of Croa,likeribig it to a shipwreck ; but it was, purely the act of man. The term revolutionary had been ap plied. It was useful to examine the meaning of words. Re volution meant change with violence, but the Government was now carrying on a revolution as complete as ever was urged on. " Confiscation" and " Plunder," Mr. Western and Lord Stourton c a ll e d i t , b ut he (Mr. Cohheto would say, ttie change had produced a greater transfer of property, and more extensive robbery than was ieflicted frOrn the beginning to the end of the French Revolution. To put a stop to that re volution was the object of the petition he proposed to them. They could not call upon the fundholdet to reduce hie interest without calling on the great pensioners to give up their use less places. 'The crown lands, he wee assured, might be made to contribute 100 millions tti the reduction of the debt, and when they had d one t h at , and taken fro m th e c h urch what it never wanted, anti when they had reduc e d t h e army, then they might go to the fandholder and say, " You must re duce also." Mr. Cobbett concluded by proposing to read his petition. Earl SOKEIIS—" You may read it as part of yOur speech." Mr. COBBETT—" I purpose reading it, and then to propose it as an amendment to the resolution.' Mr. Connt:TT then read the petition, commenting on it as he went along. It was, as he stated, nearly an echo of the Nor- folk petition. Ile declared upon that patagraph, which spoke.l of reducingthe debt, that lie would not take a single shilling even from the Jews, much as he detested them, tin every miler retrenchment had been made. As to reform, It had been urged by some, that the' people, if left to themselves, would choose - persons unfit to make laws (no great compliment to those who were chosen - by the people.) The Noble Eitl (Somers) he knew had an objection to universal suffrage. Ile (Mr. cob bat) cared nothing about it; what be wanted was, that the people should be truly represented. As to improper persons being chosen, he remembered when he was a naughty boy, be fore the passing of the Six Act's, saying, that he would engage to catch at random 50d or 11410 persons in the streets, by the leg, as fit as those - svho sat then ; but, mind, he did not say so now. Ile did not desire to bring them into contempt, nor him self,within the Six .Acts; but he thought it impossible to get' another Ilbuse of, Commons ' who would give a mil ' lion 04 of the taxes to build churches in London, Briatpl, and Bath; for the use of the fundholders, who, having_ got the landlord's estates, were become mighty piouti; and' rite. Act actually passed by acclamation for a million to build places for Jews to congregate in. That was on account of religion, and another million is ,givers on the score amo rality for building Penitentiaries,'th4, was, largo buildings for females who were not of a very resisting disposition, where they had for male companions - bullies and thieves.— ( the farmers had thieves of their own, but the fundholders being annoyed by the robberies cot mutted in their crowded streets, appropriate(' one Million for building Penit en ti ar i es , wrung truth the taxes paid by the i:armers. Such things niust go on unless the people chose their own Members of the Com mons flouse. After he had finished reading the • Petition, Mr. Cabbett said, it had just occurred to hint that there was in existence a law for preventing the landlord distraining for his rent. When that virtuous •Nooleman, Lord King, in 1802, wished, as he was entitled, to have his rent paid in gold, an Act was pissed to prevent his distraining for it, if a tender were made in bank notes. That Act is still in force, and the Meeting, by asking a suspension of proceeds to enforce the payment of rent and tithes ' would be only asking that for the purposes of justice, which was then passed for the purposes of injustice. ConnETT thin proposed, as an amendment to the reso lution Proposed, to leave out all the words • ,except the first Word, Resolver—(a laugh,) and to insert the following : " That the Petition now read be the Petition afthis nieenng." Mr. PaL)grat said lie seconded that Retiolution from a con viction that the it , nl cause of their distresses were there stated. He thought j,twould lieproper also that landlorditand proprietors of tithes shinid loSirthem.dOwn to the state ornuo; and then he thought•the Pbor farmers would have some chance of getting a maintenance. He had heard of patience, but if a men preached patience to him whilst he was lasing his last shilling, by IL-- (Order, order !)--he would serve him aiSampson served the Philistines. 'l'he MAN objected, that Mr. Cobbett's petition had not been formally read, and he could not therefore put the ques tion till that were done. COHBE T begged then that it should be put as an amendtnent to the resolution, and after the word , resolved, the words, " that the petition be read," and afterwards it Might be moved that it bet',;e petition of the meeting. The Rev. Mr. SMYTH TES said, it had been proposedthat ell the resolutions be read seriatim, and he therefore did not under stand-how, upon the first resolution being set aside,, all the others should share the same fate. He should not huVe risen thus early, surrounded as he was by all the Wealth and talent of the county, but he could not allow a petition to be put sud. denly by a man who had no interest in the county. (Loud ap plause and some hisses.) lie hoped for the same patience and attenthm with which Mr. Cobbett had been heard. He had rasa feeling but in common with the meeting ; for as he was one of the largest ocenpiers land for the couuty, it followed that what was proposed would first affect friinselt. He did not pre. tend to cope with the practised eloquence and sophistry of "AIL Cobbett, but if it were the last word he was to speak ire could not sit still and stiffer a petition to be propoSed to the comity of Hereford by an itinerant political tinite!! hdud cheers.) Had the meeting never heard of him before, thz. , y might have been j captivated by the eloquence and great abilities which he un doubtedly possessed ; but when it was known that these great abilities had been prostituted to the purposee of every, party— when it was known that he had commenced his political career as the servile tool and creature of (iovernment in America-- ' and when his services were no longer Wieful there, he left the sons of liberty, tted on his return to England' he adopted a new set of principles, and commenced Whig. Be was then the also of Sir F. Burdett ; the friend he never was of any man : he then became Radical, and if the meeting believed hint ' he now produced his measure to prevent` revolution. But they did not want Mr. Cobbett to state, in intelligible language, their grievances to Parliament. He would be glad to adopt any measure which would be likely to redress their grievances, but he could not think that the case. With most of the . proposi. tions of Mr. Cobbett, many of them, if they would at all avail, would beat too distant a period to benefit any of thetu. He agreed with Mr. Cobbett that the debt must be attacked, as it was impossible, with such a millstone round their necks, too:. pect any return to prosperity ; end lie also agreed that the mea. l eure of 1797 wits the cause of nil the distress; . the debt without that measure would not have been above half the amount.— : Where then was the injustice of paying back in the same me. idium its the money kit ? He felt with Mr. Cobbett, that it 'vas impossible to pay the interest of the debt in gold, anti if Parliament insisted' on it, the evil would work its own cure. lie thought the county would be dis=graced unless some one .who had an interest in it were to originate their Petition. Mr. (~obbett himself seemed aw are o f this, and having heard the old adage, that it was better first to tall yourself Tom Foul than that any one else should, lie therefore began by apologis. ing to the meeting for the impudence of his proceeding, to pro. ,pose a Petition without having an acre of land in the county. Mr. PA Mutt—" That I deny." A tIEscrLEXAN---" A freehold of a few hours old, far the purposes of the day, perhaps." The Rev. Mr, YT II IRS said he should have wished that some re dent in the county had proposed something for the adoption of the meeting, and, if no one else, he would beg to propole some short Resolutions. The 1111104 '1)1.1t the amendment first, and yeatcan then propose on amendment on the amendment.", The Rev. Mr. Smt"rittns here read the following, which be proposed as as amendment on the amendment already moved " The Petition of the Nobility, Clergy, °entry, and others, of the County of Hereford, in- County Meeting as. sanbled, th . o 17th day of January, 1823 : " Humbly sheweth, " That your Petitioners can no longer bear the overwhelm ing pressure of the times; that in consequence of the heavy taxation upon 'antics} property, together with the extreme low price of prodnce, the best land wilt scarcely reimburse the cultivator his expence ; and that fotir-fifths of the land in this county are at present yielding no rent at all. And your Petitioners firmly believe that the principal cause o f t h e i r distrest arises from the facility of borrowing afforded to 'the government by the Act of 1797, commonly called the Bank Restriction Act, which en a bled them to accu. ululate a mass of debt, which never would have been in mired in a metallic Curreney, and the interest of which debt we are now called upon to pay in specie, which, • from raising the va% le of the ,currency, has in fact doubled the burden, ;Already too grievously to he borne. This, together with the enormous importation of foreign cairn on the eve of a very productive hamest of our own, and the large sums annually drained from the taxes and landed revenue. of .this kingdom to he spent abroad by absentees, are considered by your Pe titioners to be among the leading causes of their distresses; they therefore pray your Honourable House, at the earliest moment after your assembling, to adopt such measures as shall ailbrd them not only speedy, but permanent relief. Among the measures most likely to effect this desirable entl, your Petitioners must humbly beg to recommend, that you should again restrain the Bank from paying its notes in cash, till the national debt shall be r e d uce d by the operation of the sinking fund. to its extent previous to the year 1797 ; and in order to accelerate the arrival of that wished-for period, your Petitioners beg humbly to recommerul that you would I ll y a tax upon funded property eqtdvalent to those now borne solely by the landed proprietor, such as tithes, poor rates, ehoSeh rates, highway rates, and county retest and, that you would also lay a tax upon the property of absentees. The sums raised by those means would enable the Government to take off all the assessed taxes and such other taxes as prase More peculiarly upon the lancied and working classes. Your Peti tioners beg leave further to recommend, that commercial trea. flea be entered into with other States, ,on the principle of ad mitting all such produce as cannot be grown within .11rAeking. doms, .duty free, oh conditi on t h at t h ose States repave our produce and manufactures on th e same t erms , and that prohi bitory duties be laid on all such produce as the soil and climate of these realms is calculated to raise. "If these measures are adopt e d, y our Petitioners entertain no doubt that prosperity and comfort will a g a in revisit them, and Great Britain will maintain that rank among the nations of Europe, which her deeds have so Well entitled ,her to . 4 ;. • The Rev. Gentleman then exhort e d the' meet: "'to unani .. mitt'. Ile, never could believe th a t i t w a s inten - that the interests of the landed proprietor should *ink before - the theo ries of David Ricardo, and the cold-blooded sopitilitri . of Mr. Courtenay. lie would ask th e l an dl or d' s present whether they had been able to.maintain their usual hospitality in halls of their ancestors, and if they had, whether the billapf those were paid who furnished forth th e ch eer ? Mr...Cdurtenay said it made no difference to the Government whim the taxes were 'paid. The possessors bf the land would ',always pay them but that made a material difference to the flgentlemen there assembled ;- and it WAS most important thai'lliey should agolor,tiratieit 6,---prapOSldan would bear the rim:AftOr good sense and moderation on the face of it, and welt it' , Parini meta would be likely to adopt, indite could notlliorthink, tike proposition of Mr. Gobbet was one that Pathan:lent: was not likely to ad0pt......(140nd applause.) ,• , Mr. DAVIES SCConded the proposition of tb:: 'ltev. Mr. Smythies. Be thought the meeting would iliagraCe itself, and the county to 'which Belonged, if they taltipteitthepeti. tion of Mr. Cobbett. Ile could not approve the take of that gentleman, travelling; tram county to eourity, i and frf Au town to town, the apostle of discontent an d spoliation. Ile would represent the most intimate union between the landlord and tenant as necessary for their Mutual inteeest e and he knew that if his plans were adopted, the county would he Islutiged in tenfold misery and ruin. But was the nieeting:iiire that Cobbett was sincere in their cause, when they,Vernem: bered he had veered to every point of the polithail ComPass?— (.pplause and, hisses.)--Ile was the friend Of „Grenville and Pitt, whose memory lie now insulted; he was the ftiend of Sir Francis Burdett ; but how long boa the honest' , i4orrianry of the country enjoyed the friendship of Mr. Coltbett, who only three years afro, in that nice little book which' he (Mr. Daiwa) held in his hand, called the farmers " old raecals," " base dogs," and c h arge d t h em di rectly with murder ; and, by way or climax, denominated them fat jowled fellows ?" (Loud 'laughter and applatise.) -,-- Bringing such opinions among principles of much higher order; lie would haVe done well when ,he found it out, to have slunk out of the rooin amidst the execrations of the Meeting. 31iniatera themselves 'allowed that the country WSS in distress; and when it was considered that the expenditure had been increased hien sixteen to sixty millions, it was imphasible to believe such a transition could be made without feeling 'great distress. It was hardly credible, only that the account was in a public docuthent, 'that in the last three years of the,war, we had expended .400 mil lions; and so Much as was spent out of the country was as much lost as if it had been thrown into the sea.. When ten millions were raised out of the produce .of the land, were repealed, how was it possible to say the f armer wou ld not be relieved ? But Ministers would not either reduce the 'army or suspend the Sinking Fund ; by the one 'tiny would disoblige their friends, the Jew and jobbers, and by the other they would lessen that influence without whi , ..h they said the government could not be carried on. Without smug reform in the repreeentation, he was persuaded all pctitions would be unavailing. Mr. Canning said they must have patience, but they had shown more patience than he did who, when he was kicked out, or, in courtly language, resigned_, he knocked with impatience at the door of the cabinet,' and never carted knocking till the door was opened. De now stood. j' f igh. in royal favour, and has the picture of his Majesty hanging .in the same room with that of leer's whom he di :salami-wee the grace and ornament of society. The llonourable Gent. demon eniseltuled his speech by declaring, that unleas some. thing wasdOne, the sun of Englad's glory Was set. to rile no mina.. The CIIAIR MAX was about to put tho-nnienh• proived s when _ . 1 Mr. CHATMETON rose, and after.. sonic prefatory observe,. dons, texpressing hid belief, that unless something wpre done, the country would be involved in one commai e ru i n , : fi e wen t • on to say that. he should be ready, in cothinon with every ote suffering such distress, to join in an application to !holsters; but he believed if an angel with a trumpet were to stn.ind ffid truth ffeini every corner of the land, they would turn , 4 deaf ear to it. Such was the bigoted devotion with which 'tlicy ad. hered to their system, that they would not listen even though . one rose from, the dead. in the observations he was 'about to make, he was very deeirous of avoiding any thing personal . lie had not, till he saw him in that rOotn, ever beheld Mr. Cobbett, though he hart read write of his s worke. When he ' had stated that he yeast freeholder, he Vine entitled`to make any proposition he thought tit to the Meeting, Tojetvitre to -the original requisition : "it . was originated by some country gentlemen suffering under the distresses. Thy High Sheiitf acknowledged the rectability' of the signatures was, e s grea t as could be expected, and. he would willingly have. cemplied with the requieltion. only that he knew it wait not the geheral Wish . of the county, and therefore h e wou ld nut di jt Far dilferent had been the conduct of the Lord Lieutenant, wino had instantly summoned the :electing; if the 111 1 Sheriff - knew what he stated, he could Only have knoWn it through 'n public; meeting, and there 'he 'ought publicly to have stated it; so that he was in the last stage. ,of incorrigibility; he had done those things which he ought not to 140 k done, and left undone those things which: he ought to have done. At the meeting at the Hotel there h a d not b eta all that unanimity whi c h had been so earnestly; recommended. One of their Members Would nut put his remit: to the requisi tion, and the other did, idler a great deal of heeiettion and much solicitation. lie who did mot sign it, he (Mr. Cherie.. ton) was ready to admit, watt a most honest worthy country gentleman; but he did complain of him for nut puffins his name to a retptieition by a which the distress o f th e county Might be aseertaine . lie believed that Gen. tleman had acted under the advice of those whom he considered as hitt friends; but if he continued to listen to them, they would prove his bitterest enemies. those enemies to their /Umber bad told hirri it teas .3a:roe gatory to him to put his name to a petition to the High sheriff-4We unwittingly setting the Member tin- the county above the Itepresentative of his Majesty. No doubt the ree presentation of Mr. Cobbett would go a great way to the relief of their present distress ; hut there were soma parts which he wished expunged, and that the whole of there :should come from some country Gentlemen better known in the county ; and that he was persuaded was the opinion of Mr. Cobbett himself, who would have been most happy if his Petition maid have been so presented. lie (Me. Charleton) attrihoted all our distresses to the dereliction and abandonment . of public duty which existed in the higher classes of soeiety. it was ;teem:ea by Sir Robert Walpole, that every man had hit price ; and all his Successors, down to Mr. - Pitt and Lord 'Londonderry, had entertained the same opinion. But btid as the higher class of the people were, none were so despicable as the apeerate, as he who would run away from his principles, merely to benefit himself or his family ; such men should be received like diee Severs from the army of an enemy ; hut Government received such with open arms--they sing T' Dru m and laud'hith to the skies, receiving with more Joy the one sinner who seceded iotti his party, than for ninety:nine honest men. The errors of legislation which had been alluded to Oroceeded from the head, but these were from th e h e a r t. Th e Ministers expend one mil. lion for the encouragement of virtue, and they counteracted the effects of it by some ridiculous end vicious sehetheil, like the lottery ; encouraging .piety in one breath, and gambling and depravity the next ; promoting :notably and. piety by one set of Acts, and fraud soul dishonesty by insolvent Debtors! Aetse encouraging perjury, aye, and fornication ttie, by the Marriage Act Amenament Bill, and every other species of crime, by permitting every species of (list yes.' . Sanlething hind been /aid of revolution he would say 4 111 " 1411' " ha "'" The reverse—loittity. lie Would., not karats uncle~ t o ti n e marl in attachment to the King and Constitution, and kr that rea son ho would raise his voice in snpport'brpublic meetings litre the present. Ile would do every thing he could ; he had wine 200. miles to. attend that meeting, and be would go 2W) more to-morrow, unless perhaps he should thereby be celled , an itinerant political tinker."—(Applauee.)--lie would de all f 0 0,