The Sun. — London, England, 1812-05-08 00:00:00

tion, the Noble Lords should be heard, and, for his, parr, be should say, that the decision of any Court of Law woo hi- be in their latn•ur 7 Mr. VANbITTART explained. Mr. CLIREVE% said he should not take the sense of the House on the preceding resolutions, but on the last, to which an amendment had byen proposed, he should divide. The re s o lutions were (hen put and negatived without a division, until- they cane to the last, upon which Mr. BRAND moved, as aruimendment, that a Cotnniittee sh - ould be appointed to inquire into the precedents, if any such existed, in which the Hon.e had interfered for the tedudion or sup pression of fees in the office of Teller of the Ex chequer.' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his objet was to get rid of the original motion and of the amendment, for which purpose he sbould vote for the original words w4en the question , on the amendment was put, and afterwards he should negative them also. The House then divided, • For the Amendment - Against it - - - - - !4 6 The Resolution, as it stood originally, was nega tived without a division. The Marquis of TAvisTocK, moved for leave to bring in a Bill fin . the better regulation of Elthions. His objea he stated to be, principally, to prevent the expence to which Freeholders were exposed, and to provide that a Special County Court should have the nomination of the Candidates. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no objection to the introcluElion of the Bill, as it had upon - the face of it a promise which entitled . it to discussion, but he could not pledge himself, until he saw the regulations, whether they were such as he could give his support io. He'did not conceive with the Noble Lord that the overgrown influence of the Crown was such as to enable it to keep in any set of Ministers, however unconstitutional. On the con trary, he was persuaded that it would neither sup port an unconstitutional Minister, nor one who wanted the confidence of the people. Leave gratited. Mr. ft:4,NET moved for a Copy of the appoint ment of the Depoty Usher of the Black Rod, and an account of the amount of his salary for the last ten years. This motion he stated was an introduc toty step to the regulation of the officers of the House of Lords, upon the same principle with those of the Commous. _ _ _ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHRQU ER said, he, had no objeaion to the information required, nor, he was sure, would the House of Lords. He would, however, submit, \chatter it would be advisable to make au ogler to that effea for the attendance of a FerAin who was an officer of the'LordS. The way be should propose to'get rid of this difficulty, was by giving an instruction to the Committee of Fi .nande, wriich vv,s row sluing, to ask permission for the attendance of the proper officer, and examine him as to the fiats. Mr. TIERNEY did not think it would be any dis repea Is, the House of Lords to order the attend ance• of their Officer, who was not appointed by them, but by the King or.the Lord Chamberlain. Mr. W. WYNNE did not recollect that they had ever asked leave of the Lords for the attendance.of their Officers. Such Officers were, like all other Commoners, subject to tile orders of that House. • Ttie SPEAKER sated the usual course to be the appointment of a Committee ; a course which be believed was principally adopted for convenience, that triode of examination being more complete in itself. After some further observations from the Chan cellor of the Exthequer, Mr. - Bankes,and Mr, Tier ney, Mr. Bennet consented to confine his motion to an aalicatiou for a copy of the appointment— The Motion was then agreed to. Sir J. NEWPORT gave notice, that on Thursday Pext be would move for leave to bring in a Bill for the relief of the, Protesiant Disienters in Ireland, called Seceders. . _ _ Ti:e other Orders of the.pay were then disposed of; and the House adjduraed as Haif-past One. It is not ex y e9ed that the North Yolk Militia, _ at - present on duty. at -Nottingham, will return to Brighten. A specimen of the Songs, &c. in the Siege of Badaioz, now performing with unbounded applauiet at ASTLEY'S CHORUS Of Sappers and Miners with entrenching Tools, &c. We Sappers and Miners at night take our birth,. From al! eys secure, in the bowels of the earth,• I'hen away to brcak ground, to our orders still true, British Yalout shall quickly the foe, boys,,subdrie. SONG;•AND CHORUS. British Artillerymen, &c. with Stage Cannon, Mortars, &:• Our bombs shall - triangle Like starbin thc..sky,, Like sttckvers of hail-stones o Cannon-balls they shill fly. CHORUS: (Waving their hats.l Iluzza, HuZza, Huzzit„ We'll breach their Crown Isaftery, Knock down their sfrong'wali, Ile that enters the town first Shall be Landlord of all./ CHORUS. Huzza, Mazza,' Huzza, , SONG AND CHORUS. • The British Army, attended by a diviSionef WaggonDrivers, with Scaling Ladders, &c. Field Marshal Lord Wellington, as brave as can be Shall find tic v, ill tight fulls valiant as he, Tho' Phillipon bravely defends still the town, - British courage shall all opposition•bear down, Stalin* Ladders prepar'd, to the assault, boys, advance; United, we'll soot► strike the flag of proud France. CHORUS.. Scaling ladders, Sco. • Death or Vikory ! resounds taro' the ranks, my brave boys, The time of attack forms the soldier's best joys ; W bile the watch-word is given by our Noble Commander, Put all to the sword, boys, that wilt - not surrender. Huzza, boys !Luisa, to the assault let's advance, Euglaud's standaro shall fly ou'r the flag of proud Fratut, CHORUS. Huzza, boys Huzza, &c. • We understand .there are artier ingenious Lyric, Oompositions i ui the like flame of war. having tetlst - 38, was, thftt of their ereftipi meet furnaces in America ?—I have been so inform ed; but certainly one reason of the goods not hay ing been exported for the last year and a bait', was the Non-intercourse A& ; but before that the export of steel had considerably diminished, and I understood the reason of that was its manutadvite in the United States. You have stated, that a great number of wolk men have been turned out of employ, and the wares of those still employed diminished ; do you happen to know whether the poors' rates of Birmingham have been increased or diminished of Lite ?—The pools' rates of Birmingham• have not very co:..yclera• biy increased, within tlre last year or twin they have sotoevhit increased. I know the pours' rates of Birmingham are rattier higher than they were three or four years ago,'perhaps one-sixth or One -seventh ; the paopets in- Birmingham amount now to about wished to prove the public spirit 61 . the Me3sinians, nine thousand, men, women and children. By'paup,rs, do you mean persons wholly snp ported by parish relief ?—Not whollysuppbried, but receiving front half-a-crown to five, six, and seven shillings a weck, it being consicicved that that is ne cessary to the preservation of their lives, for none others are relieved. • _ _ That is, in addition to OF assistance derived from cubs ?—Certainly ; and the assistance from clubs is very great. :there is hardly any manufat toyer in Birtningham but belongs to some'club, by which he accumulates his property rn pronerous times to have the advatyage of it in adverse times. Ido not know, as to .the villages round, how that is. The number of those who receive parish relief is exclusive of those who receive relief trum privnte charity ?—Certainlyi when I spenk of Birmingham and the paupers, I include the hamlets of Ashted and Deritend, which unite to Birmingham; and imm part of the town . , but not of the parish 01 Bn mingham. When you speak of the number of poor amount ing_ to nine or ten thousand, do you mean upon the population of the town of Birmingham and those two hamlet ?—Yes, certainly, including about 80 thousand 'souls. - How many labouring.men do you estimate to bd employed in the iron tnanufatiories of Bittninghani and the villages within 15 miles ?—I think I stated about 50,000. " F►fty thousand menl--No not men ; the whole population of the manufacturing district is.not above 400,000, of course 50,000 of that cannot be em ployed in the iron trade; but from what I know of the iron and coal trades, I should conceive at least fifty thowand souls ate employed in this ma nufaaure.- Perhaps you cannot estimate what number of men are employed in the coal and iron trades ?—I cannot. In ordinary times 1--There are a great number of iron works in Staffordshire, and it Is by no means uncommon for from :3 to 500 men to be employed in those works. Do you know of any other means of employing ten thousand of those persons, should they be-turn ed out of emplov'? - -Noue ; their habits of life al mo%t unfit them for any other means of livelihood. Do you korbw of any reluEtance to dismiss their men on the part of the master minufatlurers of Bir mingham and the neighbourhood.?—Very great re ltniance on the part of all the inannEtaurers of Birmingham and the neighboutho)d; they have been. accumulating for the last I,2inonths almost the whole of their capital in the payment of their workmen, partly from Motives of interest, looking forward to different markets. opening to their trade, but principally from- motives of ' honourable hu 7 mani y. The manufaElurers haying thus looked forward to an opening to their trade, and having accumulated their articles and exhausted their -capital ; .d - o you .know what the manufa6turersi will•now do with their goods should their hopes of there opening of their trade be,disappointed ?—They must be com pelled to discharge probably one-third of the me chanics in the whole of the manufatturing distriers -of Biriningham ; when I say discharge them, I mean altogether discharge them, the othets being kept on at hail "work or two-thirds work : I hav6 taken pains to ascertain the state of employment of the inanufaNurine.eagses in Birmingham, in the vil lages round 1 have not, but in Blibingham I have ,ascertained to my satisfaion that hey are not em 'ployed more than one half of full' work. Do you know whether any orders have been re ceived in Birmingham from America, the execution of 'which was conditional on the. repeal of rhe Or ders in Council have heard that very many or ders of that description were 'received. In those orders were, any particular articles ex cepted ?—I know that certain articles have been omitted, on the ground that. they are now mauu taCtored in America. • What are those artiCles?----They are nail . 3, and some other articleS, I think bridle bits and plated wares, and certain descriftions of the manufactures • of Bit mingham. Nails in particular were very extensipely exported to America ? —Very extensively irdeed. •Do nut you knoW that v, hole - families are employed specially in the nail trade know that ten thou sand families are employed in that trade ; they exist in that trade, they can hardly be said to live, for I have noticed, that they work from four in the morn, ing till ten at night, and,by their utmost exertion , , upon the average, .they can earn only from ten to twelve shillings a week, labouriug mtn. The nails are increased on the hands of the master.manu facturers to a very great event; some of them have discharged half their i.vork . cneri ;. die others retained them,, but not itorn,reg'ard to profit, for it is to their bitter - lo,s, ; bat s,,lely from humanil and a sense of duty. The :great increase to thekr labour is owing to -their extremely low wages, that they are compelled to work more than human nature can hear, in order to earn a very bare sub ststence. (To be continued.) :Lieutenant-Colonel CAmFutr,L, of the 794 Regi_ mein, is appointed Depury•Adjutaut General to the Forces in the bland of Jamaica, in the room of Brigadier General HORSFOItD, who is now stationed at Bermuda. `FE The following circular bas been•addressed to ti:e Cominiwding Officers of the'LGoal Militia (CIRCULAR.) " vYliiteh . ~ll, 17th Apra. "Su ,---I'h& being teatnn to apprehend, from the various distUrbanees which have takt.n place in some'Of otir 'manufa6turing disiritts, that attempts may be made 'h . ): dispo , Al parsons 10. Seize. or de• strov the arms belonging to the Local I am dire;.led by Mr'. Secietaty Ryder to Imptets upon you the neco,ny of adopting the most efi'ectu.ll . Means tor the defence of your Dcp6', in ease atq . ; sueh .attempt should-be made, and to point•ont W. )ou th;propriely of having the permanent Stalff y..t. your Regiment, under the command of the Adu. l tans, in such a state of constant efficiency, as lb immediately available for its defence. kam at Ifie , sante time to observe to you,. that the Lielitcnalicy ef the Conn y are by. law,obliged to furnish a tit an proper place for the Depot '; and• :a case the building now appropriated to that - purpose should not appe3r to afford, in its present State,a;le, (pia e rite,ins of resistance, Mr. Ryder hat to' de ire that you will either make immediate' 4pplication to the Lietitenaticy for providing some *place of greaser strength, or wit adcopt seine practical" niJde of . guarding your present ' Depot, and of tittnini , hing ttie of its forcible , catty, in 'order who may be lAged in, it, ma i e4,abled to, refuel; any sudden attack, broil etrectu , l ',(which means have been -1:-ilten' to pt °yid& at tile lltortest notice) can be broQght to their relief." ' The first assembling: of the centre bet!Ation the Sussex Local Militia,,Lient. Colunvl Commindant, consisting of ihose who hive mit re ceivesl the • benefit of 'devious tid , nrng,'-together with the Serjeants, Corporals, Drummers, &c.. take 'place at Brighton, on Monday next, Dilly I I, and the collective mustering on the' Monday bil lowing. A very superb piece of plate has been ordered by Lieutenant-General i‘IAcooNALD to be. presented to the M-ss of the 55q1 .tiegitnen,t,•of which h Colonel, and which will take place, in due 16 1 ' 01 0- on the arrival of that distinguished corps fro" Jamaica, now etpeded, after an absence of nine. years. General LEFEBVRE, who has lately broken his parole, was taken in a skirmish between the ad" vanced parties of French and British cavalry, Ileac Sahagun, when Set.it.T, followed' by BUONAPARc it in petson, advanced against the British army 'under,. - Sir Jon Moorte, in the close of the campaign VI 1808, just before the commencement of the retreat of the British army. He defended himself bravelti, haviog his clothes much cut with the sabres of tire British Dragoons. He was much distres-ed at the idea that, he would be-blamed,by BUGS APARTE C° C suffering himself to be taken in so foolish a wal._; and BUONAPARTE did accordingly blame hini in tb: Bulletin relating to the occurrence, although wid e some commendation of his courage. Besides being allowed to come to Cheltenham, arid remain the ° •on his parole, at the request of Colonel NlAci..Lop• LEFEBVRE was allowed to come to London for we' dical advice ; and On that occasion he received h oy liteattenti:ms from several persons of dis:int c - 11°t ; - The Physiei ins whom he consulted, much to th ci i honour, refused to take any fees' from hint. Gene r l a LiFF.By'RE had a watch v, hen he was takes;, wb :c ' he valued very highly ; and 'such wa s t h e a tientO ° shewti to hint, th it this watch, after three years stowed in re,earch and inqury, among the dr4 : goons engaged in the skirmish and afterwa.rds' , guarding the prisoner, was, at length, by the tions of the Earl of Motaik and tne PEINCB Ire GENT, recovered last summer, and sent down him at Cheltenham from the PRINCE by the 11: - ", 1 of, Major CAMAC, Private Secretary to Sit ft WELe i ; Lt.stEy. General LEFEBVRE was a gteat lavo i " 4 of BuoNATARTs , , who . , we bear, had (wile hint, Count in one of his first creaiions of his new 1\14 %1 ; but Geilef;il--LEFUDVRE, slid not . 11)310 the tirle. ife was to ried to. the daughter eminent bankef at Paris,, we rather I t h PER EGAU X, Min IS the Banker of the .6ug°, This Lady had been now abhut we 've wooth',. tn li;3oand, odznioed :to conic over and res',: ; with the General at Chehenhent,. where site t'x' tiericed the same poi!te atrention s heo. l % of her husband. It had !Cr some time been proP ° o ( to exchange G,•neral LEFLuvRE for the Ouk c NORTHUMBEHLNND'S biOtirei, the Etri BF.sreill• bl o ; but no definitive arrangeat c at was co me, lOt likely to be. , • „ cen - Oo Sunday night, abolt t weire o'clock, a s - t - ..tleman was passing near Fir zroy- , qa.ne,. he tacked by tout or five ra , n, who I. ; wick ed hits. 01 -° - 1 d ani, to prevent him making any noi,e, stutle i vy mouth till he was nearly sutfo'cated, wt!il e .robbed him of his watch, eze. anti li.". ' C o % OD Thursd , Y the loth nit. the Laly of lam" ". c' ' ' '' 1::Fq. Or . Flostoit, Snlr,ll:, of a I.);n:gfiter: t , dy 0 . "VI Nh- "" ia ) eV'',lll,4 last, ili St.n nfor d-stsect, ttic-".' Joseph ti wilt, Architect, of a Dal4,;nter. -r: es" Ott I uesday List, at his house in Cutiaedincl,place. . 03 ,, rc . )ati, tlic Lady of captain G. Nicholson, of ti te t:oyal '. tines, ()la Duhter. stilt-born.' fo e Shut" On Tituradsy inorino4 at Tottenham, Mrs. Geo•b- dew(); th, of a DauAlitott. _..----' On Saturday the 41 inst. at St. George's • AI .4 R it I El). • . . by :the 4.ev. Dr. ktikiti, P rebel:dm . ) , of 'Winclu;sref, Henry Rivers, Bart, to Miss halt: . " - r• b. . • .r. At • Norwich, .on -r.hurs.kt) , i‘l ty 7; by ' the 'Reli• '.,,,,, Slapp, A M. l'a::.e. Nicol Scott, Escj. Surgeon, to 11''',1 beth, youngest ,I..ugliter of the laic Dania Gaining. • th',rt Clty„. __.-----------' , Vtanover-sqUacrC; 14 8. :. tel f i n l); N tr,a fo r n t d ,f ay h s e e' r nl a l g i e 4 , ht, at p I L L o i % ) ver. TOothig, Su'rreY, Ir. t t b i ; On Sun day a r' st u t uf' ; -I ., j'is r s .i o u " the seat o ci f a , u S g i k : Smith, Bart. William Sruhh, lute 'of 06;4 Cullo,o (..oxtl)l.ll.l°nri‘:\:')':id,nnictill:telll2)(7l7ll'ist3i.ryt:a.rfl."..firs house ll . ' tet t ; I I At C On the t;th ult. - in the 65th year of his age, I" , c^" e and kin,, Esc! ~/Orty years 111anag,n . of the Ile:Oast, .Newq, Derry Theatres. . ____----------"_ HI,GU WATER AT LONPON ;s1:11)0t, TO•M ° - ROW Morning, ct 'mit\ after ri j Evening, 17 ruin. 41Mr. 1111..Vt7T1,.:'S OF AVIDENC, TAXES iMPORE THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE, TO WHOM IT WAS REFERRED, TO CONSI DER OF THE SEVERAL PETITIONS, WHICH HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, IN THIS SESSION OF PARLIAMENT, AGAINST THE ORDERS IN COUNCIL. Mercurij, 29° die Aprilig, 1812 7 TIIOMAS BABINGTON, Esq. in the Chair. Mr. T. ATTWOOD called in and examined. [Continued from our Paper of Yesterday .] At the same time that wages diminished, atty.' that a number of workenen were turned off, has the stock on Jrand of goods in the iron trade increased or di mished ? —The stock on hand of manufactured goods has increased i every manufacturer, is over loaded with stock, to the best of my knowledge, and if he sells his iron he only sells it at his ow n loss, he cannot sell it a price equal to the price it cost him, in any branch of the iron trade. Since when has this effect taken place ?—About twelve months ago iron might have been madufac. tured at probably no loss, or at least at a small loss ; but now iton cannot be manufaetured in Stafford shire, nor I believe in Shropshire Or any part of England or Wales, without great loss ; I mean the • wanufaduring it into the bar or, wrought iron. To what country or countries is the export trade of Birmingham confined ?—The export trade of Birmingham has been principally confined to the United Stares of Amer ice J. certainly ~considerable trade was formerly carried on with the Continent of .Europe, I might say a much greater trade than is now carried on with the United States of America ; bat for the last twenty years one branch alter ano then has been lost, and now the export trade to all other countries in the world is small in propor tion to that to America. The export trade to Ame rica has been subject to-very great embarrassriaents and distresses, almost annihilating the profit attend= . ing it, but still furnishing employment to thousands of mechanics ; but for the last twelve months there has been no apart trade to America, and the ma nufaauters are reduced to a state of glitvous-affiic-, tion. From the best knowledge I possess, I should conceive about 800,0001.,0r a million, of Birming ham manufadures are exported to America, in yeas s of open intercourse. . This export of Birmingham manufa6tures having during the last twelve months entirely ceasei, has there been any export to- the Continent or any other countries from Birmingham ?—There has peen a trifling export to Portugal, Spain; and Malta, South America, and a very small quantity to Heligo land. Is the whole artiount of that export considerable ? I should conceive the whole amount cannot be more than 2-00,0001. or 300,0001. per annum. • Do you mean that this was the amount of that export during, the last 12 months ?—Yes, I think the export to those countries must have been that much within the last twelve months. What may the export of the same articles to the same countries have been, during the , preceding twelvemonth ?--Rather more. _ . What may the export of the same articles to the same countries have been for the twelvemonth pre ceding that, the year before the last ?—I should think still more. The exports to South America three or four years ago were very . cimsiderable, but their goods still remain•in South America, and no proceeds have been received; 1 say none, for I know many who have sent out goods to South America who not only have received no proceeds, but have been obliged to ply expences upon their goods. I have heard that goods have been sent to South ,America, and that they have not, been , inquired into for that reason ; :or that considerable losses have been incurred, not only on the fee-simple of the manufaaures, it I may so call it, but even be yond that. . In those cases, have you understood that the per son was contented to abandon the whole chance of proceeds from the sale of the goods, in or4er to avoid the additional payment to the Captain Certainly. In what did that additional expense consist 'The freight insurance, and. sea charges of every de scription. Over the primp . cost ?—Yes, over the prime cost. Has there been recently at Birmingham any extra employment of the iron naanufaeturers, for the purpose of making cast-iron pipes i.--,-Very conai derable. Can you state to what amount ?—The manufac _lure of cast-iron pipes in the iron works of Stafford shire, I should consider within the last twelve months must have arnot3nted to nearly 100,0001. Had it not been for that resource, the situation of the iron tradz must have been considerably worse than it is. Was this resource one peculiar to the last year ? —Altogether peculiar to the .last year or two years. Is the Committee to understand that was a re source that was not pos•essed by the manufacturers previous to,t he last to o years ?—iNever in arty extent. that is worth mentioning. In what state, are the Birmingham manufacturers with respect to this resource, for -the 'meson' ? —The. Birmingham manufacturers are not materially inte rested, but the Staffordshire iron-works are still inte reSted the in the manufacture of iron pipes for the different Water-works Companies forming in all pits of England.. Do you know any thing of the export formerly carried on from Birmingham to America, of steel work ?—I have had an opportunity of knowing well the export of steel, because my family has 'always been engaged in the export of steel ; till within these few years, a considerable export of steel took place to the United States of AmeriCa. I have lat , ely been informed, that the - Americans have ereded furnaces, and that they procure their iron from the same mines in Sweden from which we pracute it, and that they arc not likely to want any more steel from - England. In point of faEl, have you and your family not sent any steel to America lately ?—Certainly not within .this year and a half, not since the 2d of Feu. 1 , 8 I 1. ' Have you been informed by your Correspon dents in America, that the reaso❑ for the demand LONDON : Printed by IHOMAS WOOD, of No.;;, Maiden-lane, Covent-garden; and Publil - ,ed by WI.I LIAM A RNIIcIE R SCRIPPS, South Molton-strect, Gr)svenor:squard, M the SyN OFtics, No, 112 .0 Strand, 103= addverliwinelifs, Orders for the i!aper,. letters for the Ecii,tor, &c. (post paid.), must he'lichicesed., . P