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fimrtt Wtaton SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS DAY.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The following Bills were read a third time, and passed:— Ipswich Dock. London, Tilbury, and Southend Railway. The following Bills, as amended, were considered, and agreed to:— Aberdeen Boys' and Girls' Hospital. Dumfries and Maxwelltown Waterworks. Haw Bridge and Roads. London Gas Light Company (Amendment of Act, &c.) Portrush Harbour. St. Helen's Gis. Ulverston Waterworks. Yeovil and Itchester Turnpike Trusts. ATTENDANCE OF MEMBERS ON PRIVATE COMMITTEES. Mr. WILSON PATTEN moved, that the Committee on the Group FF of Private Bills be revived, and do consist of the four Members who have signed the requi site declaration, together with such Members as shall have been appointed by the Committee of Selection, under Standing Order No. 86; and that the Committee have leave to sit and proceed on Thursday next, at twelve o'clock. The motion, the Honour able Gentleman said, was rendered necessary by the neglect of Members named to serve on Com mittees on private Bills to inform the Committee of Se lection in good time when it happened that they were disqualified from serving on such Committees. Owing to this neglect, parties had been put to great expense, amounting in some instance to 2001. PETITIONS. A number of petitions were presented in favour of the Tenant-right Bill from various parts of Ireland, by Mr. O'Flaherty, Mr. V. Scully, Mr. Monsen, Mr. 0. Higgins, Mr. Moore (4), and Mr. S. Crawford (12 ). Lord BROOKE presented a petition from a place in Ireland against the Charitable Trusts Bill. Mr. MOORE also presented a petition from a place in Yorkshire to the same effect. M r . v, SMITH presented a petition from Dumferm line against the Militia Bill. Lord D. STUART presented a similar petition from a society in Figeware-road. Mr. MOORE .presented a petition from a place in Ireland against the Ecclesiastical Titles Act. TENANT RIGHT (IRELAND) BILL.—AD JOURNED DEBATE. On the reading of the order of the day for the resump tion of this debate, Mr. CONOLLY said that he felt that he was justified in taking the course which he had pursued on a former occasion, as in his opinion the House was then about to divide on this Bill on a false issue. The Bill in his opinion was nothing more than a system of compulsory value tion, without giving the landlord any security for his rights. Certainly the word compensation was used very fre quently in the Bill, but the apiece of arbitration, by which a fair compensation was to be arrived at, was imperfect and never could be worked satisfactorily. He could scarcely honey s that Hon. Gentlemen opposite wished to carry this Bill, for he could not insult their common sense so fir as to suppose that they would have introduced such a Bill hal trey wished to have it car ried. It embodied a principle which was opposed to the practise of Eagland, and he thought of Ireland too. He had not only been an advocate of compensation for im provement, but he had acted upon it, and he thought he had some right to speak on the subject.—(Hear.) This Bill was introduced to keep up the cry in Ireland, not to settle the question between landlord and tenant, but to unsettle it. This was a course which was not honest by those who advocated tenant right, not honest by this House, and not even by the supporters of this Bill. He would go on now to point out what tenant-right really was. The tenant had a perfect right to sell his improvements to any one %bora the landlord might ap point. Tenant .right did cot depend upon tenure at all, for the tenant at will had just as rainy rights as the tenant at lease; and he was at perfect liberty, if he so thought fit, to sell his improvements to the icoom:ng tenant. Tenant right, how ever, differed under d.ff rent circumstances; for instance, ter.sut right on one estate might extend to twenty years' purchase, while in the adjoining estate it might rot reach to nooee:than two years' purchase. It de pended upon the feeliegs and eituation of the landlord whether tenant right was high or low. Tenant right was nothing less than the good will of the tenant, and when the tenant had the confidence of his landlord it ranged very high, as indeed was the case in the north of Ireland. And yet the supporters of this Bill came forward to abase the landlords of Ulster.—(Hear, hear.) Tenant right was nothing less than one of mutual confi deuce between the landlord tied tenant, and it was im possible to deal with it by legislative enactments. On the contrary, a system of legislation proposed by the Bill would undermine such confidence, and he appealed to Irish Members, as th,,ie ecustryman, to pause before they adored this Bill. Ic not doing so they would not only be acting injudiciously, but inflicting a great injustice upon the landed interest of Ireland, and he hoped the House would not consent to iuterfere with the system of tenant right that at present prevailed in Ireland, which he was happy to say was the result of a long continu ance of peace. This Bill, in feet, would increase the civil and religious disctrd which reigned in the north of Ireland, for the Bike of promoting some paltry elec tioneering scheme or other. The material interest and the prosperity of Ireland rs (paired that this Bill should be thrown out, and he should give it his most deter mined oppositioe.--(Hear.) Mr. MONSELL was not disposed to underrate the importance of the question, and he for one did not regret that the debate had been adjourned. The tenant right which the last speaker had referred to prevailed in Ulster, and there get at prosperity existed, but the same confidence or prosperity was not to be found else where, and hence arose the necessity for a Bill of this nature.—(Hear, hear.) He was by no means anxious to see a system of compulsory compensation established, but no such system was involved in this Bill; and he was, therefore, at a loss to understand why it should be opposed on that ground.—(Hear, hear.) He would, if the House would permit him, call attention to the urgency of this case. The existing law relating to land in Ireland had worked badly in all times and under all circumstances. as would be found by a re ference to the writings of Dean Swift, Arthur Young, Lord Clare, and other writers, who had commented upon the social condition of the tenant-farmers of Ireland. (Hean hear.) Most of the crimes and evils which Ireland bad suffered ft orn might be traced to some dispute about the occupation or letting of land, and therefore the inference appeared to him to be obvious that the system ought to be altered, unless the House thought it was the disposition of the people, and not the h i p cuce state o f t h e l aw , t h a t was the cause of . t heir miseries. —([li=ar, ht ar, ) HP, howeve7, o'.lld tee nothirg in the Fish character to induce the former belief, for directly the Irishmen got out of his own country he becameindustrioue an enterprising man, and emi nently aed in contented.—(Hear, bear.) All authornies concurred consulted he hid mnoakdeoub! chin opinion, and if they could be that they would agree with him that to the Irishman as estimable in his own country, te evmust confer upon him the ad vantages of the pri nc i pl e hear.) In theory the containedexisting ill this Bill.—(Hear, Irish system was the same as that which prevailed in ke.glatel, but the misfortune wa s, that in Ireland it was not h past h he wanted was that the lito practice, and allsameea p I privileges should be conced e d to the Irish-rtaecntaint farmer that were enjoyed by the English tenant-farmer. __(gear, hear.) In England and in France no landlord could eject any tenant without cer eperisating him for the improvements; and the same syste, prevailed in Den mark, Massac h usetts, a new co untry, and se vera l European States, 3961 bet w l!l s no a t t bats loss to understand - why the same princlpietcou( _ enforced for Ireland Hear, hear.) observe by legislative enactment.—(Hear, before House the Lord NA AS was importantto(o offer :r ug e t,i r ,c y n e e lions upon this very . of • House came to a decroon.-: ofHear, hear.") principle compensation he admitted that the Ft. . was, found in this Bill, b to some extent, to be certain but it was introduced as a p e g to berg upon other Principles of an exceedingly dangerous charact er . — (Hear, hear.) The principal feature of this Bill was not compensation but it was that p art of it which wou ld i hereafter, if e was cerriedrforce the landlord to submit his rents to the arbitration of a body of tenants.—(Hear.) Now, he for one, never could coneent to any such prin ciple of law; it existed in no country on the face of the globe that be was acquainted with; and as it was totally at variance with the rights of propert:Yl u© must call upon the House to reject the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Compensation, he repeated, was not, in fact, the leading principle of this Bill.--(leart hear.) The Bill introduced by the Hon. Member Eon2o years ago was only part of the present Bill. The present Bill was adapted to embody the tenant league in Ire land, whose principles the Noble Lord considered to be as dangerous ea the wildest ones advanced during the storms of the French revolution. Ia the year 1851 a speech was made by a reverend gentleman in Ireland, in which an opinion was advanced that when a landlord failed to perform his duty he ought to be removed. Another reverend gentleman had stated that landlords were only tolerated for the benefit of the people, and when they were found not to be beneficial they should be removed. The Noble Lord had many other proofs that the principle of this Bill was to deprive the landlord of all power.—(n Ne," from the Opposition.) . It was recited that a tenant should not be evicted unless he received compensation or was allowed to sell hie in terest to a solvent tenant; but that was the custom of the -country now, and the Bill proposed to make that compul sory which hitherto rss wail° nal on the part of the lend lord. The fi rst and bodi second clauses were nothing more than an em meat of the favourite dogmas of the tenant league, and of the theory of Mr. Rutherford, that the property of the landlord was the mere land in ins b a rren state, sad that tie tena , nt s property con sisted of all the addi t i onal value which had been given to it by cultivation, Btc. Theprinciple of the Bill was cempulsory value&of P • h rent which was novel i n legislation, and he did not think princip • l a eso • t would evebeeined by unjust t he House.—(Hear, rillt hear.)rei ....x* would be to prevent land lords taking aul nt„ifiOsinekvreat -in their t a a e, en , property, and to conical thear - laa chargers. Whatever : rationt4 . enehretaeni s treer the l an d lord nor his C r e e ' would 4er iy a , icy fi t fr om them; therefore the I3ill woUliatut ditt it "at source of hope for im ne `~ ~'~: S TIIE SUN, prbvement in Ireland. No one was more averse to ab senteeism than himself, but no measure was more celuleted to increase the evil then the present one. Tho provisions of the Bill would, if put into operation, have a direct and permanent ' bad effect upon Irish husbandry, and would soon reduce the country to a desert. It seemed to him that the Gentlemen opposite had entirely overlooked that large, poor, and most miserable class of the people who had borne the brunt of the famine, and were as much entitled to consideration as the tenant farmers. (Hear hear.) No provision was made to enable the labouring man, on whose industry both the tenant and landlord really lived, to have a fair valuation for his day's work. This, therefore, was an utterly ex clusive and selfish measure, designed for the benefit of one class at the expense of ano ther, He believed the Bill would never pass; but he feared great injury would be inflicted on Ir eland agitation, b y on. M an e d ldi mb h er o sopp ositeout to by fa continu ingtenant- the present rmers hopes which they knew could never be fulfilled.—(Hear, hear.) He appealed to them to pause ere they pro ceeded further in raising the expectations of a credulous and excitable people.—(Cheers.) Mr. G. H. MOORE observed that the Noble Lord had shrank, as he would from red hot iron, from adverting to the general principle of the Bill.—(Hear, bear.) He thought that no objection to the details ought to operate as a bar to the further progress of the Bill, because they might easily be amended in Commit tee so as to meet the views of the House. Last year they went into Committee on the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill, with the perfect foreknowledge that nearly every word would be amended in Committee. The only ob servation made by the Noble Lord as to the principle applied likewise to the principle of every otter Bill. —(Hear, hear.) He said that our former legislation on theesubject consisted of a heterogeneous and anomalous code of laws, and that the present Bill did not repeal, amend, or consolidate any of them; but on all subjects on which we legislated there was a great mass of legislation left behind which it was necessary should some day receive the attention of Parliament. The principle feature of the debate on the Bill was the promise of the Attorney-General for Ireland to intro duce a comprehensive Bill on tenant right; but he confessed the antecedents of that Learned Gentle man did not encourage him to hops for much. The landlords of his part of Ireland were aliens in blood and feeling to the country, while the tenants were descendants of convicts who were aliens to the land. The two were opposed to each other, though some por tion of each side were inferior to none in honour, gene rosity, and worth; but they were the victims of a com bined system that had perverted the instincts of their common nature.—(Hear, hear.) All the improvements which had been effected of late years on the land were the unaided work of the tenant, but they had been swal lowed up in the vortex called property, and the tenant remained without remuneration for his labour, let alone compensation for his fences and drainage.— (Hear.) The fruitfulness of the land, indeed, depended in a great measure upon the tenant; he did all the work of the estate, and at length having created a little estate upon the earth's surface, he finds at the end of a long and laborious life the inheritance of his children snatched from him by his landlord.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. CONOLLY—What! is he turned out? Mr. MOORE said—Yes; he was either turned out, or he was forced to pay an increased rent for the property which his own hands had rendered fertile.— (Rear, hear.) As the law stood, a man hired a farm for twenty-one years, but it gave him no compensation when he went out for his improvements, nor provided that he should obtain a renewal of his lease upon just and equitable terms.—(Hear, hear.) In feet, the law was made by landlords for the benefit of themselves, and until the Legislature changed the system there would be no hope of peace and prospe rity for Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) Sir W. SOMERVILLE said the last speaker had carefully avoided both the principle and the details of the Bill. Now it was absolutely necessary, for the sake of Ireland's prosperity, that they should take a practical view of this question, and having given it all the consideration he could he could arrive at no other conclusion than that it was his duty to resist the second reading.—(Hear, hear.) He could not agree with its principle, though he might be disposed to acquisce in some of its details, and there was certainly no alternative open to him but to oppose it. He had taken a part before now in the endeavours that were being made to -settle this question, and he could assure the House and the country that it was his anxious desire to see it speedily set at rest. One .of the pricipal obstacles in the way of its settlement was this—they were endeavouring to do by Act of Par liament what could only be accomplished by mutual agree ment between the landlord and tenant. This Bill, like its precisceesor, was intended to be retrospective as well as prospective, and if it it were carried the effect would be that it would forcibly annul existing contracts which were recognised, and could, if necessary, be enforced by the law.—(Hear.) He, therefore, deprecated both the introduction of the Bill and the agitation that was being kept up about it out of doors; but it was said the Bill root with the universal approba tion of the tenantry of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) le,_how ever, did not seek to introduce the tenant right of Ulster into other parts of Ireland, but went upon a compulsory scheme, elaborated in a long series of clauses that con tained matter for a lawsuit almost in every line. Its definition of right on either side was uncertain and defective, and if the Bill passed its only effect would be to give rise to endless disputes between landlord and tenant, and ultimately to react with tenfold force against the interest of the tenant.—(Hear, hear.) He therefore hoped the House would reject the measure, and leave it for the Government to dispose in future of this difficult question.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. REYNOLDS regretted that the five years which he had devoted to the office of Chief Secretary for Ire land had not enabled the Right Honourable Baronet to make a more practical speech on the subject of this important Bill. For his part he did not represent an agri cultural constituency, but he knew that a large meeting of the electors of Dublin had been held, and they had unani mously agreed to petition Parliament in favour of this Bill. —(Hear, hear.) The Bill bore the indorsements of two of the most distinguished Irish lawyers, and yet the Hoe. Member for Donegal could find no other compliment for it than this—it was a mere piece of waste paper; but he could assure the House that it was no such thing. —(Elear, hear.) It was a most valuable measure, and in spite of the misrepresentation which had been made about the contents of the Bill he was convinced the Legislature would think with him, if they would take the trouble to look carefully into the matter.—(Hear, hear.) The past history of this question was written in blood; for no outrage which had occurred in Ireland during the last hundred years owed its origin to anything else but disputes about the tenure of land.—(Hear.) The principle of this Bill was nothing less than this—it secured compensation to the outgoing tenant for substantial improvements, and unless the House was prepared to leave this question unsettled for ever, they woul I take care to pass the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) But it was said the Right Hon. the Attorney-General for Ireland was going to take the matter up, but, then, what security had he that the Right Hon. Gentleman would not be raised to the bench before next session? No man desired to see his elevation more than he did, but in a question of this momentous importance there ought to be some guarantee extorted from the Government that they would be re sponsible for the introduction of the Right Honourable Gentleman's measure before they consented to give up this Bill.—(Hear, hear.) The st a t e of affairs in Ireland was so unsettled that the Bank of Ireland, which had power to issue seven millions' worth of paper without having it re p rese nted by gold could only afford to issue five millions, so dry were the pro ductive resources of the country.—(Hear, hear.) This he believed resulted from the absence of a tenant-right prevailing all over Ireland ; for, according to the re turn of sales iu the Incumbered Estates Courts, fewer sales had proceeded from Ulster, where . there was a tenant-right, than from any other part of Ireland. In fact, the majority of the sales prcceeded from places where there was no such thing as tenant right, and ho thought this was a pretty conclusive proof that that part of the country was the best off which enjoyed a tenant-right.—(Hear, hear.) Well, then, ought not that fact to make them pause before they consented to throw out this Bill and plunge Ireland into an endless and painful agitation?—(Bear, hear.) Lord CLAUDE HAMILTON said the supporters of this Bill had not a leg to stand on, when argument and not declamation was brought to bear upon the question.—(Hear.) The Bill was advocated for no other but electioneering purposes; and he hoped the House would not allow itself to be led away by the declamatory matter which had been inspirited into this discussion. The most dangerous and revolutionary principles were involved in the Bill, which would inflict great injustice Upon the poor labourers and co tti ers i n t h e co u n t r y. He candidly confessed that he did not think so un- C etia l n ! r t i i g tu h t t i s ohl, barbarous, and unjust a measure uated from the Hem. Member fur Rochdale. It was a mass of inchoate legislation, which would peril trheaelßauetvh.or_ot the Bill was not . the Hon. Member, but of property and the fruits of industry. The reallt i u h t l h e e r f t o e r d.— disguise ( Rutherford.—(Cries le s theof " f H ae e t an th h e e t ar t . h " e ) object of the' measure was to rub the landlord and to spoliate the rights of the cottier and the labourer. He had watched the unprincipled agitation of the Tenant League, who promoted the B i ll!, and he declar e d it t o h e only a recipe of th e old re agitation, the same dema gogues and the s ame eactic p s ea l Procuring money b e i ng adopted in the o n , as observin g aansd land in the other.—(Di v id e .) M r . Rutherford sa id he only recognised th e he ad g h right of landlord s consi v st is in ed t land tenantry t i o n its co enthteart the e th i? e , y or d_ h id cu so Eo t ._ he l an dlords would soon have t o b w i n i l e d e a r e n d e ss strike,t state, , ns (Divide.) He invited tha 'lous e to reject the Bill, which be characterised as an insult to Ireland. Mr. NA PIER said, as an independent Member of the House be bad devoted his attention for two years to this importan t question with ng the vi ew of producing a good landlord and tenant c )de, which he believed was essen tially connected with the well being of Ireland. He had now three draft Bills prepared —tile first consolidating about 70 old statutes, the second containin g a classifica tion of leasing powers, and the third with regard to com pensation. They were at present under the consideration of the Government, but it was apparent they could not be calmly and dispaesiozately discussed during the pre sent session. In proposing them he had no intention whatever of using them for election purposes. It was his ambition, before he retired from the House, to pa ss as perfect and as just a law for regulating the relations of landlord and tenant as it was possible to devise. Mr. S. CRAWFORD repll'A, and the House di vided, when there appoared— For the second reading 090 Against it ... ••• • • • Majority •• • The House then adjourned. 167 LONDON, UNIVERSITY OF LONDON. (THIS DAY.) A meeting of the University of London was held this afternoon, at the rooms of the Royal Society, Somerset House, for the parpose of conferring degrees, honours, and prizes. The Earl of Burlington, the Chancellor of the Univer sity, took the chair. Among the members of the Senate present were—the Vice-Chancellor, John G. Shaw Le fevre, Esq., C. 8., M.A., F.R.S.; John Bacot, Esq.; Archibald Billing, Esq., M.D., A.M., F.R.S.; Profes sor Brande, F.R.S.; Sir James Clark, Bart., M.D., F.R.S.; Professor Faraday, D.C.L., F.R.S.; George Grote, Esq., M.A.; Henry Hallam, Esq., M.A., F.R.S ; Sir Stephen Love llammick, Bart.; Thomas Hodgkin, M.D.; J. H. Jerrard, E3q., F.R.S.; F. Kiernan, Esq., F.R.S.; John Ridout, Esq. The proceedings were commenced by the Registrar reading the report, and the following degrees were then conferred:— Henry Hyde Salter, M.D.,K:ng's Coll.; Robert Grrowse, M.D., Samuel Osborne Haberaham, M.D., John Braxton Hicks, M.D., Guy's Hospital; Arthur Hill Hassan, M.D., James Jones, M.D., Royal Cull. Surgeons, Ireland; Wil liam Bird Herapath, M.D., Bristol, and London Hospital; Charles Bland Radcliffe, M.D., Leeds School of Medicine; Edward Adam Leatham, M.A., University Coll.; Philip Chapman Barker, M.A., Spring Hill Coll.; Samuel Bruce, LL.B., John Gotch Hepburn, LL.B., Hamilton Charles Palmer, LL.B., Alfred Wills, LL.B., University Coll. ; Edward Jackson, M. 8., John Russell Reynolds, M.B , Henry Thompson, M. 8., University Coll.; Lionel Smith Beale, M. 8., Samuel Griffith, M. 8., Edward Abra ham Hancock Head, M. 8., David Henry Monckton, M. 8., King's Cull.; Richard Hunt, M. 8., William Odling, John Sherwood Stocker, M. 8., Guy's Hospital; Peter Lodwick Burchell, ALB., Westminster Hospital; George Buchanan, 8.A., Wilfrid Samuel Clear, 8.A., Charles Henry Derby, 8.A., JoLn Wilson Dubourg, 8.A., Ed ward Fry, 8.A., William Gurney, 8.A., Richard Child Heath, 8.A., Robert Kibhle Hervey, B.A , Thomas Hodgkin, 8.A., John William Janson, 8.A., Henry Carne Oats, 8.A., William Roberts, 8.A., John War ren, B.A:, University Coll.; John Charles Addyes Scott, 8.A., Manchester (sew) Coll.; Aaron Buzscott, 8.A., James Rae, 8.A., Cheshunt Coll.; George Frederic Holley Sykes, 8.A., Lancashire Independent College. The following prizes were then awarded:— Robert Growso, M.D., Guy's Hospital—Medal for Com- mentary. Alfred Wills, LLB., University Coll.—Law Scholarship. John Russell Reynolds, M. 8., University Coll.—Scho larship and Medal in Physiology and Comparative Anatomy. David Henry Monckton, M. 8., King's Coll.—Medal in Physiology and Comparative Anatomy. Edward Abraham Hancock Head, M. 8., King's Coll.— Scholarship and Medal in Surgery. Henry Thompson, M. 8., University Coll.—Medal in Surgery. John Huss(ll Reynolds, M. 8,, University Coll.—Scho larship and Medal in Medicine. Henry Thou3p3on, M. 8., University Coll.—Medal in Me- dicine. William Gurney, 8.A., University Coll.—Scholarship in Mathomaticg. John Charits Addyes Se - At, BA., Ifanchester (New) and University Colls.—Scholarship in Classics. William Robert•, 8.A., University Coll.—Prize in Che- mistry. William Roberta, B.A.—University Coll.—Priza in Animal Physiology. EXAMINATION IN THE TEXT OF THE SCRIPTURES, &C. Robert William Dale, Spring-bill Coll.—Prize. M.B. FIRST EXAMINATION. Thonan Hillier, University Coll.—Exhibition and Medal in Anatomy and Physiology. Julius Woldemar de Tunzelmann, University C o ll.— Medal in Anatomy and Physiology. William Roberts, University Coll.—Exhibition and Hospital—Medal in Ch em i s t r y. jo M sia e h da i R I ar % G is u tr y y. ,s Josiah Ramskill, Guy's lioipital—Exhibition and Meda; Alf;dica - . Julius Woldemar do TFnzelmann, University Coll.— Medal in Materio. Medica. Julius Woldemar de TunEelmann, University Coll.— Medal in Botany. MATRICULATION. William Horace Smith, King's Coll.—Exhibition in Mathematics. Joseph Abbott Temple, King's Coll.—Exhibition in Classics. William Price Jones, University Coll.—Prize in Che- mistry. Thomas Edward Burton Brown, Guy's Hospital—Priz) iu Botany. This terminated the proceedings. MORTALITY in the METROPOLIS. NUMBER OF DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES REGISTERED IN THE WEEK END] SG SATURDAY, MAY 1, 1852. Epidemic, Endemic, and Contagious Dise ases ...*232 Diseases of Uncertain Seat ... 44 Tubercular Diseases 197 Diseases of the Brain, Nerves, and Senses... ... 105 Diseases of the Heart and Blood-vessels 37 Diseases of the Lungs, and other Organs of Respiration ... 187 Diseases of the Stomach, Liver, and other Organs of Digestion... ... -•• •. Diseases of the Kidneys, &c. Childbirth, Diseases of the Uterus, &e. Diseases of the Joints, Bones, and Muscles Diseases of the Skin, &o. ... Malformations... ... ... 55 ... 7 ... 9 ... 9 Premature Birth ..• ••• •• ••• ••• 34 Atrophy ••• ••• ••• ••• ••• ••• 25 Old Age ..• ••• ••• ••• ••• ••• 42 Sudden ... ... ••• ••• ••• ••• 9 Violence, Privation, Cold, and Intemperance ... 24 Causes not specified ... ••• ••• ••• ••• 4 DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES ... 1,026 Population Deaths in cone- Deaths Enumerated, sponding week in the 1851. of 1851. Week. West Districts... 376,427 . . 141 ... 153 North Districts.. 490,396 .. 208 ... 244 Central Districts 393,256 ... 183 ... 161 East Districts ... 485,522 ... 209 ... 181 South Districts.. 616,635 253 ... 287 T0ta15........ 2,362,236 Males ... ... Females ... ... ... 1,026 ... 524 ... 502 BIRTHS IN THE WEEK. Males ••• ••• .•• Females ... ... ... ... 806 ... 730 Total ... ~. ... ... ...1,536 * In this number are included 45 by Scarlatina, 36 by Typhus Fever, and 6 by Diarrhcea. THE NEW FLOATING GUNPOWDER MAGAZINES AT LIVERPOOL. (From the London Gazette.) Office of Ordnance, April 30, 1852. _ . __- The following regulations (in addition to those pub• lished in the Gazette of sth March, 1852), are to be observed, in relation to the construction of the vessels to b 3 moored at the places under the provisions of an Act of the 14th and 15th Queen Victoria, cap. 67, sec. 6, intituled, "An Act to repeal so much of en Act of the 12th year of King George the Third, relating to the making, keeping, and carriage of gunpowder, as excepts therefrom certain gun powder magazines and stores near Liverpool, and to make certain temporary provisions, with regard to the said magazines and stores;" also fixing the quantity of gunpowder to be kept in such vessel. Any person failing to observe these regulations will be guilty of a misde meanour and punished accordingly. Ist. That in vessels for the stowage of gunpowder a clear passage or wing shall be left between the powder store and ship's side, in case of collision from other ves sels passing up or down. 2nd. That in addition to the wing passage round the vessel a crown of planking shall be attached, of four inches thick, fastened on the lower part of the beams, for the whole extent of the powder-rooms, and that the entrance scuttle shall be fitted with a pent-house cover ing on the deck, for a further security of the magazine scuttles only. _ _ 3rd. That no cabins, with fire-places, can be allowed. And the Master-General of the Ordnance is pleased to allow that the quantity of gunpowder to be kept in the new floating magazines, at Liverpool, may be in creased from 10,000 to 15,000 barrels, of 1001bs. each. By order of the Master-General, W. COTTON. HORRIBLE STORY. The Bordeaux journals contain the following hor rible story:—At the end of October last a sum of 900 f. was stolen from the House of M. Mano, an avuu6 of Bszas; the thieves being a public-house keeper and hie wife, a peasant, and M. Mann's servant. After the robbery the thieves went to the public-house of the married couple, which is situated at some little distance from the town, and partook of breakfast. In that house lived a girl of the town named Annette. Whilst the parties were at table, they complained bitterly that they had only been able to steal 900 f., though they knew that M. Mano had 10,000 E in his possession, that sum having been deposited with him the day before. On this Annette reproached them for what they had done. "I am only a loose woman," said she, " and yet I would never commit a robbery." This declaration terrified the thieves, and to prevent the girl from denouncing thrm, they resolved to kill her. Meantime the gendarmes having obtained information of the robbery commenced a search after the thieves, and a day or two after they made a descent in the public-house, which was one of notoriously bad character. One of the four persons was arrested on suspicion of being the thief. Not seeing Annette, the gendarmes asked what had be come of her, and the public-house keeper replied that she had been spending some days with her family, and had afterwards left for England. Things remained in this state until Easter Monday, when the rumour spread in the town that Annette had been murdered. It ap peared on inquiry that the son, aged between 13 and 14, of the public-house keeper, bad, whilst playing in the house with some boys, pointed to a large iron pot, and said, "I shouldn't like to eat anything cooked in that pot." " Why so?" he was asked. "Because it was in it my father cooked Annette!" On this the boys left him, Saying, "As your father killed Annette, we will not play wi t h you! " ar.d they on the following day re fused to allow him to join their games. When the boy's strange remark was mentioned to the gendarmes, they at once proceeded to arrest his father and mother. They then called on him to tell all he knew. He said he know n othing, and denied that he had used the lan guage ascribed to him, The gendarmes, to frighten hire, placed handcuffs on him, and threatened to convey him to prison. He then made this statement:—" On the evening after the robbery I heard a piercing cry up stairs, and I went up> I opened the door of a zoom, g WE DNE►S DAY ands aw the body of Annette lying on the bed without move ment. I wanted to go in, but the persons who wert, there prevented me; and the peasant, one of them, pus lied me away; and, giving: mo four sous, said—' We don 't want you—here are four sous—be off with you!' Iw. )nt away. In the night the dead body of Annette was conveyed down stairs, and her murderers deliberatel as t o what should be done with it. One suggested that it should bo placed in a hole to be made in the wall, and that the hole should be plastered up; but this was ob jected to, on the ground that the freshness of the mortar would attract attention, and that besides the corpse would cause a strong stench. At length it was resolved to cat the body in pieces, to septra.e the flesh from the bones; to boil the flash in a pot, and give it to the pigs to eat, and to burn the bones to ashes. This was done. The bones, to prevent any smell, were steeped in quick lime before being burned. The pigs devoured the boiled flesh with voracity, and some of them died after from excess.. My father and mother, the peasant, and M. Mann's servant, took part in this horrible affair." The law a utborities are now making a searching investiga tion; they have already discovered the clothes of the girl, and in the ashes of the grate a human tooth. The ashes have been carefully cAlccted, and are to be analysed by chemists. The sensation which the affair has created in the peaceable town of Bszaa is immense. NEW YORK COMMERCIAL NEWS. The commercial advices from New York this week describe continued steadiness in the stock-market and uninterrupted activi'y in the general business of the country. Quotations on the wh )1e show little alteration, but the tendency has been towards an advance. The amount of railway bonds supplied from all quarters (and in some cases at low prices, which shoild excite caution) prevents the rapid accumulation of capital that would otherwise be felt, but money, nevertheless, was becom ing more easy every day, and it was difficult now to obtain 5 per Cent. All attempts to get up Californian gold mining companies had proved more or less abortive, and this peculiar field was still likely to be left open to the more sanguine speculators of the London share-market. On the other band, the less glowing enterprises connected with improvements at home and the establishment of steam and telegraphic communication with more distant parts appear to be forwarded with the greatest ardour. The Morse line of telegraph between Washington a n d New York had just declared a quarterly dividend at the rate of 12 per cent, p er annum, a l t h oug h t h ey are sub jected to active competition, and adopt a scale of charges which, as compared with those in England, are merely fractional. The arrangements for the proposed Indus trial Exposition appear to be in progress, but there seems little enthusiasm on the subject, and it is stated that the whole expenses, including the cost of the building, are not to exceed 40,0001., which is to be raised by a joint-stock sub,cription. A collection was being made for the sufferers by the recent fire in the Swedish West India island of S'. Barthomolew. The latest advices from Mexico were to the 2d of April. The representatives of England, France, Spain, Russia, and the United States had, it is said, made a re monstrance against the exceptional lowering of duties at the port of Matamorae. In order to coun teract the smuggling temptations which gave influence to the revolutionists under Carvajal on the northern frontier, the M ex i can G overnment ma d e a great reduc tion at Matamoras, lowing Vera Cruz, Tampico, and other ports, to exact the customary high rates. It was consequently contends 1 by the various Foreign Minis ters, on behalf of the merchants of their respective countries interested in the trade of the ports thus in jured, that the exemption should not bo continued, and that either the old charges should be restored at Mate mores, or that all should be equally reduced. The reply of President Arica was, that the question could only be decided by Congress. The mining industry of the country was in an improving state, chiefly in consequence of the better supply of quick silver. Immigration also appears likely to increase, and an extraordinary contract is alleged to have been en tered into by the Belgian Government " for transporting 50,000 Belgians to the interior of Mexico," where they are to receive either lands to settle on, or employment from proprietors according to certain stipulated condi tions. There was nothing new from the frontier, but the Texan accounts, in stating everything to be quiet, used the phrase, " and will remain so for a short time," as if the pause were a mere matter of temporary arrange meet. It is also add e d, th a t Brownsville, which is the border town where Carvaj el'a sympathizers chiefly re sort, is filled with strangers who profess . themselves bound for Califor n i a , b u t whom the Mexican autho rities regard as pirates. From Hayti the last dates were to the 28th of March. &mit - AR/Re, the black Emperor, was to be crowned as Faustin the First on the 11th of April. It was expected that about a hundred thousand persons would be present at the festivities, and all business was to be sus pended for about a fortnight. There was nothing new from California, but the tide of traffic between that state and New York was uninterrupted, and the demand for conveyance was as tetive as usual. Another steamer has been withdrawn from her intended service acro ss th e Atlantic, to meet ih e wants of the Nicaragua route, and the 'Yew York Express gives the following account of the steamers at present on that line:— " We see it stated that the steam-propeller Pioneer, originally built to run between this Port and Liverpool, and after one trip withdrawn, has been chartered for the Nicaragua route, to run on the Pacific side, pro bably to take the place of the North America, lost. We understand that Captain Vanderbilt will soon leave for Central America, on business connected with this gigantic enterprise, of which he is the prime mover. The Vanderbilt line now comprises seven first-class steamers, as follows :—Northern Light, Prometheus, Daniel Webster, Pacific, Brother Jonathan, Independence, and S. S. Lewis, In addition to these, another steamer, making the eighth, is now about half com pleted, and the keel of the ninth, to be about the size of the late North America, is on the point of being laid. The Accessory Transit C ompany o f Ni caragua has six steamers running on th e r i ver S an J uan an d i Lake Nicaragua, n conuexion with the above steamers, and a seventh will be completed this month at San Juan. Thoir names are as follows:—Central America, Sir Henry Bulwer, John M. Clayton, Joseph L. White, E. H. Miller (not named), Director." RAILWAY SHARE MARKETS. BRISTOL, MAY 4. STOCK EXCIIANGE.—We had a very flat market to-day, and prices had a downward tendency. The only transactions reported were—Midlands, • 0 1 4—T a ff Vale, 153. LIVERPOOL, MAY 4. STOCK EXCIIANGE.—The share market opened heavily this morning, but afterwards improved, and a fair amount of business was done at fi rm pr i ces. The transactions were as follow :—Ambergate and East Junction, I Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Ch es hi re , 11 di s .—Di tto, 2 2 / . Shares, 6 dis. Lancashire and York s hi re , 73 ',/,—Ditto, Fifths, 15-16 dis,—Ditto,. 201. F Sh ares, 5a dis .— Ditto Fifths (West Riding Union), 4J dis.—Liverpool, Crosby, and Southport, 21%7London and North- Western, 124—Ditto, New Quarters, 5 3 / 4 p.—Ditto, Fifths, 4;fi p. —London and South-Western, 9334—Midland, 70 1 / i—North Staffordshire, 7 i/ a dis.— South-Eastern and Dover, 22;; 3 —Belfast and Bal lymena, 33 1, —Dutch Rhenish, 3 1 % dis. BIRMINCTUADAI, MAY 4. STOCK ExcHANGL—The share market remains not only extremely firm, but there is a decided tendency upwards. The transactions to-day were as follow :—Coventry and Nun eaton Stock, 1243/,—Midland Stock, 70 IA —North Stafford shire, 7 dis.—South Staffordshire, I h dis. THE LONDON GAZETTE, May 4. WHITEHALL, MAY 3. The Queen has been pleased to nominate the Rev. William Henry Taylor to the district church of Christ Church, in the Forest of Dean, in the county of Glou cester, and diocese of Gloucester and Bristol, void by the resignation of the Rev. James Banks. BANKRUPTS. Charles Ritchie, jeweller, Oxford-street, to surrender, may 13, at eleven, and June 10, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, official assignee, Basinghall street ; Fraser, Dean-street, Soho. Frank James, iron founder, Walsall, Staffordshire, May 18 and June 15, at h a lf •past eleven, at the Bir mingham District Court. Ch r i st i e, o ffi c i a l ass i gnee , Birmingham; Dulgnan:and Heramant, W alsall; Wrights, Birmingham. John Eard, brewer, Uttoxoter, Staffordshire, May 15, and 'June 5, at half -past t en , a t t h e Bi rm ingham Dis trict Court. Whitmore, official assignee, Birmingham; Duignan and Ho mmant,Walsall; Wrights, Birmingham. Samuel Beniains, jun., grocer, All Saints, Hereford shire, May 18 and June 15, a t h a lf-past eleven, at the Birmingham District Court. Whitmore, official assignee, Birmingham; Prichard, Hereford; Bloxham, Birming ham. James Thomas Woodhouse, sc rivener, Leominster, May 15 and J une 5, at half-pa ' st ton, at the Birming ham Distri c t Court. Whitmore official assignee, Bir mingham; Motteram Knight, and ' Emmet, Birmingham. .William Arthur Watson, ' build::, Whitacre, Warwick shire, May 18, an d June 15, at half-past eleven , at the Birmingham District Court. Vulpy, official assignee, Birmingham; Dobbs, Atheratone; Hodgson, Birming ham. INSOLVENT DEBTORS. John Carver, licensed victualler, Liverpool. Adam Dalgleisb, supervisor, Manchester. Lawrence Hartley, provision-shop keeper, Burnley-lane Head, Lancashire. J. Johnson, journeyman lighterman, John-street,Water loo-road. T. Lowe, watchmaker, Freeschool-street, Southwark. W. Norton, wine merchant, Chadwell-street, St. John street-road. J. L. White, journeyman baker, Saint Mary's Cray, Kent. J. Walker, fishmonger, Upper Symons-street, Chelsea. J. Shun) Carlton- squar e, Old Kent-road. W. Nicholson, builder, Shotley-bridge, Durham. IL. Saks, grocer, Haverfordwest. W. Joy, Corn fact o r, Chatham, ICent. J. L . E vans, Carmarthenshire. W. Brown, farmer, Bristol. J. Pol.itt, licensed victualler, Over Darwen, Lancashire. J. Wood, Deansgate, eating-house keeper, Manchester. C. Yeates, printer, Monmouth. H. Bent, eoal master, Westbromwich, Staffordshire. W. C. Draper, boot manufacturer, Stone, Staffordshire. C. Duckit, commercial traveller, Halifax, Yorkshire. M. Humphrey, miner, Dowlais, near Merthyr Tydvil. J. Helliwell, common brewer, Mirfield, Yorkshire. J. Priestley, butcher, Ovenden. Yorkshire. J. Priestley, farmer, Ovenden, Yorkshire, W. Sykes, mungo dealer, Dewsbury, Yorkshire. J. S. Wood dealer in oil, Kingston-upon-Ilull. J. Blaciett, blacksmith, Manchester. S. theszendale, brass founder, Liverpool. J. Clare, joiner, Liverpool. G. Crabtree, Burley Woodhead, Y o rkshire. J. Derby s hi re, butcher -York. A. Johnston, draper, Stroud,' Gloucestershire. T. Kelly, painter, Chorlton-upon-Medlock, Manchester. J. Mellor, innkre,der, rLdifax, Yorkshire. G. Mt son, fishmonger,ll ow den, Yorkshire. I. Powell, out of bueiness, Gloucester., Whit*ortbouillwright, Leeds. EVENING, MAY 5, D. Smith, woolsorter, Ripponden, Yorkshire. G. T. Buckley, whitesmith, Middleton, Lancashire. D. Leather, licensed vie• wilier, Great Sankey, Lancashire, J. Lord, na , :chine maker, Hul;ri ,, , Manchester. A. North, farmer, Shell., Yurkshir J. Traverse, journeyman joiner, Hulme, Manchester. J. Pennington, fishmonger, Manchester. J. B. Gordon, shipowner, Belsiz l•road, Fincbley-road, DIVIDENDS. At the Court, Basinghall-street. R. Dever, Corphill, cook, May 25, at twelve—J. Bar nett and T. Hancock, Conduit street, Regent-street, shoemakers, May 27, at half-past twelve—J. Grimble, Sydney. square, Whitechapf I, builder, May 27, at eleven —W. Jones, Castle -street, Finsbury, cabinetmaker, May 27, at two—T. Britten, Suffolk-lane, Canon-street, wine merchant, May 27, at twelve—R. Attree, Brighton, hosier, May 25, at eleven. I❑ the Counfry. T. Occleshead and C. Cummins, Liverpool, commis sion agents, May 27, at eleven, at the Court, Liverpool G. It!nnie, Liverpool, merchant, May 27, at the Court, Liverpool—J. Longbottom and T. Fawc,tt, Leeds, cloth merchants, May 27, at one, at the Court, Leeds—J. Norwood, Suaith, Yorkshire, May 27, at, one, at the Court, Leeds—J. Tsverncr, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, silk manufacturer, May 27, at half-past eleven, at the Court, Birmingham. PAYMENT OF DIVIDENDS, F. True, Downhain Market, Norfolk, ironmonger, 53., any Wednesday, between eleven and three, at the office of Mr. Whitmore, Basinghall-street. B, Smith, Threadneedle-street, Bow-common, and Duke•street, Lincoln's copper smelter and silversmith, 541., any Wednesday, between eleven and three, at the office of Mr. Whitmore, li.isinghall-street. C. Head, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, wine merchant, Is. 6d., any Tuesday, between eleven and two, at the office of Mr. Carrick, Hull. J. Duggan, Maryport, Cumberland, draper, 33. 8(1., on Saturday, May 8, or any subsequent Saturday, be tween ten and three, at the office of Mr. Baker, New castle-upon-Tyne. NOTICES OF CERTIFICATES. At the Court, Basingliall-street. T. Brookes, Banbury, Oxfordshire, printer, May 31, at twelve. In the Country. D. J. Field and B. Molineaux, jun., Manohester, corn dealers, May 26, at twelve, at the Court, Maneheater— W. Noblet, Blackpool, Lancashire, post horse keeper, May 26, at twelve, at the Court, Liverpool—W. Lougher, T. Lougher, and D. Lougher, Plymouth, ironfounders, May 27, at eleven, at the Hall of Commerce, Plymouth —B. Smith, Droitwitch, Worcestershire, salt manufac turer, May 27, at halt-past eleven, at the Court, Rir mingham—W. Baynes, Leeds, flax spinner, May 27, at one, at the Court, Leeds. CERTIFICATES GRANTED. J. S. Ward, Bruton, Sowersetshire, silk-throwster, certificate of the first class—W. E, Spencer, Holland , street, Blickfriars-road, mustard manufacturer, certifi cate of the first class—E. 11. Palmer, Brentford, Middle : sex, brewer, certificate of the first class—T. Buten . shave, Southwark-bridge-road, builder, certificate of the second class—R. Bateman and H. Hardwicke, Carey street, Lincoln's Inn, printers, certificates of the second class—E. Waring, Kirkdale, Lancashire, innkeeper, cer -1 tificate of the secon 1 class, after three months from April 6 —H. P amment , Penton street, Pentonville, cheesemonger, certificate of the second class—S. Webb, Oxford-street, St. Marylebone, India-rubber warehouse man, certificate of the second class—R. S. James, Leeds, wholesale ironmonger, certificate of the second class, 21 days from April 30—G. Sherlock, Hulme Lancashire, joiner, certificate of the third class—Sarah Wilson, Not tingham, hotel keeper, certificate of the first class—W. Hawkins, Ileage, Derbyshire, seedsman, certificate of the first class—P. Rufford, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, banker, certificate of the third class, a: ter twelve months from June 30, 1851. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. N. Dervalue and A. Tibeyrant, Penton-street. Hay market, hotel keepers —J. N. High more and W. V. Mat thews, Yeovil, Somersetshire, publishers and printers — M. Philbppsthal and C. Plaxton, Kingston-upon-Hull, ship-brokers—R. Alexander, C. F. Ellorman, and L. Lempart, Fenchurch-street, City, merchants—G. Pep percorn and A. Peppercorn, Deptford, Kent, butchers — W. G. Kell and A. Chaffers, Bedford-row attorneys and solicitors—E. Whittaker and J. Whittaker, Rochdale, Lancashire, engineers and millwrigets—Charlotte Nor man and W. Brooke, Kingston, Surrey, milliners and dressmakers—T. Hunt and C. Marsland, Cheade Bulke ley, Cheshire, cotton manufacturers and cotton spinners —Martha Malkin, and G. Hill, Macclesfield, Cheshire, silk manufacturers—G. S. Sands and W. F. Jackson, Bride -court, Fleet-street, printers—T. Butler, Hannah Butler, M. Butler, and T. W. Butler, Ivychurch, Kent, farmers and graziers —J. Gregory and E. Bascome, Brentford, Middlesex —B. King and J. Clarke, Kentish Town, farmers—S. C. Hall, E. G. Salisbury, G. Virtue and F. W. Fairholt (as far as regards S. C. Hall and F. W. Fairholt), Wellington street, Strand, proprietors and puhlishere of works called the Art Journal and Vernon Gallery—H. Booth and J. Patter son, Scotfortb, Lancashire, brick and tile manufacturers —T. Eveson, sen., T. Eveson, jun., J. Eveson, and C. Eveson, Shepherd's Brook Iron-works, Worcestershire —J. Hughes and T. Davock, Manchester, manufacturers —P. Cornthwaite, G. Stebbs, and F. Bredt (as far as regards P. Cornthwaite), Liverpool, tea merchants— Ellen Adams and Elizabeth Adams, Liverpool, tobac conists—T. Crofts and J. Heath, Preston Brook, Cheshire, railway contractors—C. Holland, H. Davies, J. V. Hall, and J. Horrocks, Rio Grande and Porto Alegre, Brazils, merchants (as far as regards H. Davies and J. Horrocks)—H. Perks and T. Boote, Gracechurch street, cheesemongers—W. Boss, jun., and W. Wileman, jun., Measham, Derbyshire, coal merchants—J. Dickin and Beardswortb, Wrexham, Denbighshire, and Cbes ter, timber merchants, brewers and tanners—A Twelve trees and H. Twelvetrees, Holland -street, Blackfriars road, general merchants—J. Scott and J. M•lntosia, Me niott, S imersetshire, nurserymen—W. C. Courteney, C. B. Courtney, W. C. Courtney, and C. B. Courtney, Chan. dos-street, Covent-garden, coach-builders—W. Sharland and T. M. C. Sharland, Chereton Fit zpane, Devonshire, tanners and farmers'--J. Rawlings, W. Walker, and S. Gibson, Shackle w,ll, auc'ioneers and nurserymen. INSOLVENT PETITIONERS. Thomas Field, Birmingham, butcher. John Holme, Oldham, Lancashire, clerk. Joseph Phillips, jun., Coventry, plumber. John Beard, Lindfield. Sussex, builder. William Baker, Angmoring, Sussex, biker. Benjamin Archer, Hulme, Lancashire, bookkeeper. George Taylor, Norwich, fruiterer. James Runchman Barfoot, Bristo l . George Hawkins, Bristol. p ainter. SEQUESTRATIONS. ha ker,t ome meet withinhe t Albany D. Jack, Hotel, Arbroath, May 7 th a nd 31st, at tw elve. S ir ° blW i i, D. Clark, Perth, writer, to meet within the Salutation Hotel, Perth, May 11, and June 1, at twelve. R. H. Watson, Glasgow, merchant, to meet within the London Hotel, Glasgow, May 10 and June 7, at ono. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 4. THE MILITIA. BILL.—ADJOURNED DEBATE. ho never paw (Continued fr ß o E m n o l u c. r E F LE ou r rth sa E id dit h i i then e t h n e were ThetheM Opposition oyist joltyittli nlbrenEcYh appearancees cha evincedp fa ll en b s t t h h e e m y pro ceedings of last night was made by the Hon. Member for Finsbury (Mr. Wakley), who, with a naiveté peculiar o ns p l o ie s d tpo th ne e m C en ti t a o nc f e t l h lo e r doefbatbtee, bEexocahuesequbeerinto. tt tended 1 agreeh d i e m d tsor to ltfh' effer the measure every opposition in his power.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member for the West Riding of Yorkshire said that, with the exception of the question of free-trade, there was no question that suited him 50 Well to go to the country with as the present. It appeared, then. that the Hon. Gentleman must always have grievance; for, if h e h ad none, his poli tical become a nonentity.— (Laughter.) He should lladifple d like to know how thes e p et i t i ons, which they had o heard so much spoken of, were obtained. How was it that his county, which was one of considerable import ance, had never sent him a petition to present against the Bill? The great manufacturing towns, in which the Honourable Member bad so much power, were the only places from which these petitions emanated. The Honourable Member for Manchester (Mr. Bright), when speaking on this subject, like Bob Acres, felt his courage oozing out of his finger-ends, That Ho nourable Gentleman said that the army and nary were forgotten at that moment in favour of what he called the blundering,', miserable, and undisciplined horde that would constitute their militia force. The House ought to mark well the difference of the lan guage used by the Hon. Member when addressing these persons out of doors. He also said that a political panic was sometimes got up for the purpose of trading on it. He (Mr. G. Berkeley) would ask the Hon. Gentleman whether he did not know of such a panic being got up for the purpose of exciting the hostility of the people against the Government; and that language was uttered on such occasions outside of the House which dared not be uttered inside of it.—(Hear, hear.) Why, at the first gathering of the Anti-Corn-law League there was language used which was well calculated to l ex s c t ite re hellion. The Hon. Member for Mancheste t r he a night Member was pleased to attach to the Noble Lordtitle of two ) recollected reading Now he (Mr. G. Berkeley same author which he for Tiverton (Lord Palmerston) the of iyrs. Jellaby. characters described by the b r k e r thought were singu b la o r r ly fo s r pla and the Hon. Diem ltihcaobllevtoostthßeidHinogn.oMf York shire—namely. and support p il o i r is t e t o r a tbhice pDick.— (Laughter.)assn n hh v nis inced was a most consti shire—naely4oUwnohuardwpaygiirJcooo of this Bill, which he tutional and a ppropriate measure to meet the evils com plained of. 0 t DE r tat was CY abroad EVA as to NSwiwhatsbedt he had to explain said a st o s aP r; P th r e eShire 9in second reading of this Bill. What he had then stated was that there were 80 guns on the peace esta blishment which might be made available upon an emer gency. He also said that th e M ar i ne Artillery had 20 guns, but without horses, whi c h also could be made av ailable. He saw no difficulty in providin g th em w i t h horses; so that there could be mastered in all 100 guns for active service. Sir Hew Ross had written to him on the subject of this misstatement, and he now wished to explain to the H ouse what be really did say upon the occasion referred to. He then went on tos ay that these horses might be procured at once, and rendered avail able, when an Hon. and Gallant Colonel rather sneered at the observation by alluding to the probability of those horses running away when brought into action. Now ho was speaking practically when ho made that state ment, for h e had gone into action himself withfrom m hfoarrses collzcted only two or three d a ys before how,e3 on the road side. He had also statedo ers, t e number of ra n k an d file, including ea might be made available for service, wa s that sws oti o h o oho men; that there was alas 9,000 of the Ordnance corps 1852. out of 15,000, which were generally at home, and to these numbers they might add 5,300 marines. He wee, however, told that he ought not to compute the officers, the non commissioned officers and the bend. Ile wanted to know why they should not be included in the force which constituted a combatant army? If he had made these deductions ha would be compelled to make similar deductions from the army of the enemy. As yet he (Sir de Lacy Evans) had said nothing about the 13,000 mounted yeomanry in this country. He considered, however, that they were a very good force, and believed that they would prove very troublesome customers in the flank and rear of an invading army. With regard to the French army, they were not, as had been stated, 400,000. The French estimates showed that they were 369,000, and from that number was to be deducted 70,000 men for Algiers; so that here at once were 100 000 men struck off this reputed force of 400 000. Then, again, if he f o ll owe d the practice which was adopted with reference to the estimates for our own army, he should have to deduct from the remaining 300,000 the officers, non-commissioned officers, drum mers, and trumpeters-and th ese stood as follows:- Officers, 16,000; non-commissioned cfficers, 22,500; and drummers and trumpeters, 23,000. In the next place, he must &duet 21,000 Bens d'armes, who were a sort of local police force, and not available for an in vading expedition. But if they were to be taken as forming pert of the army, he saw no reason why we should not also count the 10,000 or 12,000 police in Ire land, who were better soldiers, in his opinion, than any troops the French could bring against us. Allowing, therefore, these deductions, and others on account of the sick-list, the French army would be reduced to 200,000 men. Did Hon. Gentlemen think, however, that the whole even of this force was available for any sudden exigency? No such thing. For of that number 100,000 men would be required for the garrison towns, and still leave the important forts of Strasburg, Belfort, Metz, Lille, and other places, without a garrison; and if all these were properly garrisoned, he did not think 30,000 men could be sent as an invading force against this coun try. With regard to the measure of her Majesty's Ministers, he thought the force it proposed to raise was a delusive force, that the Militia Bill of the late Govern ment was a less objectionable measure, and that in the present state of the public mind a much more substan tial and effective addition might be made to our national defences. As to war with France he did not think there was the least probability of such an event occurring. The fact was that since the year 1848 the French had gone on reducing their army, and whereas it numbered in that year 502,000 men, it was now but 369,000, so that the amount of reduction in three years only was not less than 132,000 men. Mr. BERESFORD observed, that the original state ment upon the subject of the army we could bring into the field was made by the Home Secretary, who, not without due consideration, and desirous to state the highest amount available e placed it at 25,000. The Hon. and Gallant M= .tuber (Sir D. L. Evans) placed it at 85,000; that included the officers, whom it was not usual to reckon in official returns, but this could easily be allowed for. The Hon. and Gallant Member in cluded the army in Ireland; the late Prime Minister the other night excluded that from the force available for the defence of Great Britain, and stated that co man re sponsible for the government of this country or for the defence of Ireland would withdraw a man from Ireland in case of invasion here; and in that ho (Mr. Beresford) agreed, and should exclude the 21,000 rank and file in Ireland. The same reason would apply to the armed police-a most efficient force, raised from the lower classes there irrespective of creed, proving that men might be trusted with arms and relied upon in the case of need.-(Hear, hear.) But if that force was necessary in Ireland now, in time of peace, it would be equally necessary there in case of invasion. -(Hear, hear.) There would be a great difficulty in bring ing over from Ireland the pensioners, of whom nearly 6,000 were in that country ; they would make excellent troops in well chosen positions, but they were not troops of such activity as would make it desirable to remove them here and bring them into the field. Then, leaving out the Irish force, we should have in England 39,172 men. That included 5,029 cavalry; but the southern portion of England was not that description of country where cavalry would be exceedingly available to repel an invasion. Deducting the cavalry, therefore, there would remain 34,143 in fantry, artillery, sappers and miners, and foot guards. Now, on an average of six regiments in this country and Ireland, it was found that, including recruits at drill, there were about 205, or nearly one-fourth of the esta blishment, non-efficient; deducting the recruits (at this moment very numerous) it was only 142, or one-sixth; one-fifth would be a fair deduction to make to find the number that could be brought into the field effective, and this would reduce the available infantry and artil lery to 27,314. Now, the Hon. and Gallant Member was severe upon the Right Hon. Member for Sough Wilts for taking upon himself to sketch the distribution of the army, but he (Mr. Beresford) must do it. He could not mention higher authority than that of the Noble and Gallant Duke commanding the army, the Noble and Gallant Officer at the head of the ordnance, and the Gallant Officer at the head of the engineers. The highest amounts of force which they respec tively calculated as necessary in case of invasion, for holding arsenals and ports, were 33,000 infantry and artillery, 30,000, and 28,000. Taking the last of these estimates, there would be required for Jersey, Guernsey, and Alderney, 5,000 men; for the Thames, including Sheerness, Tilbury, the Tower, Deptford, Woolwich, 8,000 men; for Dover and its dependencies, 2,000; for Portsmouth, 5.000; and for Plymouth, 5,000; for Pembroke and other detached places, 3,000. Adding the pensioners to the artillery and infantry, an available force would be made up of 34,280 rank and file; and, deducting 28,000, the force necessary for the defence of the arsenals and ports, there would remain of infantry and artillery available for other purposes 6,280 rank and file. There remained the cavalry, which would not bn so efficient a force to meet an enemy in the southern part of England on account of the enclosures; adding 4,023 cavalry and 261 sappers and miners to the 6,280 infantry, there would be 10,564 rank and file to meet an invading force. It must be al lowed that 10,500 men did not constitute a proper and available force to meet an invasion. How, then, it would be asked, would you make up an available force? He would reply, by this very militia. By the existence of such a force they would be enabled to hold the garrisons and forts to which he had referred. The militia, whom some called a rabble, were Englishmen, fit with the addition of soldiers, to maintain those places. They were an available force of infantry for that pur pose; and it was to get a proper and available force' for the field that the militia was desirable. If the Noble Lord the late First Minister of the Crown found out in April that there were 90,000 or 100,000 men available for the defences of the country, why did he not make the discovery in January or February, when ho was digesting a Militia Bill? It could not be supposed that it was necessary for him to go into Opposition to ascer tain the available force at the service of the Government. The Hon. Member for Richmond suggested another and larger view; he made his force 200,000 men. Mr. RICH remarked that the force he stated was that which might be available if the additions he suggested were made. Mr. BERESFORD would acknowledge in that case that the militia would be useless. But it was not an ideal force that was wanted. He would not have it said that this was not a military nation. Whore was the country whose soldiers showed more devotion as well as subordination? Those men who, on board the Birken head, did not flinch amid the terrors of the vasty deep, would not fail amid the excitement of the battle-field. It had been said that one great source of safety to the country would be this difficulty of disembarkation; and that in Montego Bay, which took ten days, had been cited. It did not appear why, because that disembarkation took ten days, a disembarkation on the English coast should take ten days. First, the French coast was near; secondly , steam power could be applied; thirdly, on th disembarkation at Montego Bayther there was a heavy surf. O ne wou ld thi n k the Hon. and _ Gal lant Member (Sir D. L. Evans) was not aware (the Hon. and Gallant Member, he was sure, however, was aware) of a disembarkation made in 1814 in North Ann rice, when an army under General Resas landed in one day, the 19th of August, commenced its march on the 20th, marched on the 21st, 22d, and 23d, and, having marched 60 miles, fought on the 24th an action and gained_ vic tory. That would show that it was not very difficult for an English army to disembark in one day; and he trusted that the Hon. and Gallant Member had not forgotten the services rendered by Lieutenant Evans as Quartermaster General on that occasion-had not forgotten his own services. Tho practice of the Hon. and Gallant Member s se r e vl med better than his theory, his action in the field than his counsel in the Senate. In the same year a disem darkation took place near New Orleans, which b egan at six in the morning; 4,500 men were landed by twelve o'clock, and engaged in action, after a march of seven miles, at four P.M. If English troops could disembark in so short a space, so might others. Ho would not enter on the question of an augmentation of the army, but he did not believe that an augmentation could or would be retained. An addition of 15,000 men, which was not sufficient for the garrisons, would cost 6 00,0001. the first year, and 525,0001. the seco n d, w h ereas the whole expense for the militia, the first year, would be 350,000/. only. This force had received th e sanct i on of the highest military autho rities. The old militia papers justified the expectation that a great body of men would enter the service for the bounty. He could not see why it should be supposed that men would n o t b e forthcoming in greater numbers tha n at the ti me t o which he referred, for the popu l at i on had to increased. Ho did not t hi n k i t wou ld be necessary recur to the b a ll ot . N e i t h er did h e b e lieve the militia of would interfere with r e cruiting for thearmy Some the finest bodi es o f recru its during the a ll e ged impossi bility Peninsular war were sent from the militia. As to the bility of making men taken from t good soldiers, he would refer tehe the p'ough or loom rapidity with which, in 1813, Napoleon, after the loss of his army in R e u f s sia, raised a force in January hed or the of those men in Germany in the month of o r f e of beginning Fe bruary, and, having M L a u rc iz h e , e f . oug yv ht it a h n e d ea w . b e n em in el t i h e e . following May the battle sioned officers from the line the force to be raised would lotions work, if necessary. He be able to do great and n g erviCe believed that v was more likely to create independence ollua y s t character r among the men th an th e con • don of the ballot, nor could he admit it was any hardshipscrip to call on people to take up erms in defence of t h e ir homes and their country. That was an oblige tion which rested on all citizens, and it was a slur on Englishmen to say they were opposed to a Bill of this nature, every clause in which was of a mitigated cha racter, brought forward as it had been by the Govern ment in the honest desire to do their duty and in the determination to show they would not leave this country incapable of defence.-(He ar .) Mr. MACGREGOR believed the statements of the Hon. and Gallant Member (Sir 1). L. Evans) would be cre dited generally, not only by this country, but on the continent. There Was no necessity for the Dill before the House. All the States of Europe had been dimie Dishing their ermies ever since 1848, under the pressure of tioeneial , mo.rra -smerits, ant the French nation in par teller haft bets stated by Marshal Sot& to have bee ene averse to war and military service. It' the army of the country was insufficient for its defence, the people would demand new estimates. He contended that the statements made on a former occasion by the Secretary of the Admiralty were not correct, and that, so far from being interior to other States in our naval power, our fleet was much greater than that of France or Russia, added to which there was en enormous mercantile steam navy, capable of defeeding our shores in time of peace Those whom he represented de teved the very idea of a number of people being led away from .their homes as volunteers for a period of four or six weeks, knowing that it would drmaraliz them much more than if they enlisted in the regular army ; and, if there existed a nee, saity for an increased militel y force, it would be far better at one' to increase the ri ruler standing army. Sir F. BARING was anxious to ata'e why he should vote against the amendment. The Secretary of the Ad' miralty had stated that he considered it inconvenient for the public service to furnish the information called for by the lion. Member. He (Sir P. Boring's) own expe rience led him to concur in that opinion. He had him s-lf on former occasions declined giving returns of a much less specific nature thin those now asked for. When the department of the Government which was re sponsible declint dto furnish s uch returns, it was never tee practice to compel the production of them. These were just the returns an enemy (if there were any) would be anxious to obtain. He was aware that it would be said that an enemy could get the same informa tion elsewhere. So let him. lie admitted that the publi city of the press in this country did enable parties abroad to get a knowledge of the proceedings of the English Go vernraent which could not let obtained concerning the proceedings of foreign Governments by us. But let us not get into the practice of furnishing foreign countries with every inforinetion they were anxious to obtain. But that was not the main object of the amendment; The Hon. Member for Manchester frankly eta" last night that he supported the amendment with a view to get rid of the Bill altogether. He (Sir F. Baring) voted for the second reading of the Bill. Without en tering into the war question, he might observe that be had concurred with the most eminent military authori ties—with the Government of Sir R. Peel, with that of his Noble Friend (Lard J. Russell), and with the pre sent Government—as to the inadequacy of ou r present military defences. There might he exaggeration in the statements its to any immediate danger, but the ques tion really was, whether their defences were sufficient to secure them against invasion. lie admitted that it was for the interest of ev er y coun t ry to k eep at pew°, es" among the rest that it was for the interest of the Prot' dent at the head of the French Government to do so; but he was aeraid, judging from the history of the world, that the argument which the Hun. Member for Mee chester had urged a' to the impossibility of France en tertaining the notion of invading this country was scarce'y. to be relied on. He would r at he r h ave t h e assuranc e that we were in a position to defend ourselves. Even supnos: ing the return were granted, he could not see what would be gained by it. With great respect to the Hon. Member (Hr. Cobden), he dia not believe he would, even then, b e in possession of sufficient knowledge of p u blic affairs to enable hint to judge of what would be a proper distribu e tion of the British fleet. It was the duty of the Govern ment to propos3 to Parliament the force which they con It sidered adequate for the protection of the country. was rare indeed that Parliament took upon itself the I,°: sponsibility of reusing to grant th a t f orce which t he Government required. B ut w h en t h e f orce b a d bee n granted it was fur the Government to apply it in a a; nor best calcu'ated to c a r r y i nto e ff ect t h at d e fence fo r which they were responsible. He should very much Te r : gret to see Parliame n t di c t a ti ng to t h e Government eisl what manner th e ships 'constituting the fleet of la country should be distributed. Without the necessary information, it wa s i mpossi bl e t h at any Hon. Mem ber should be able to form a judgment es to the distribut ion of our ships. He was afraid the Honourable Gentlem an would not gain much by the adoption of Berne of th e proposal which he had made. It was not possible ( 50 we understood the Right Honourable Baronet to say) to call all the line of bat t l e s hi ps h ome and station t h e m t, the Channel. The Honourable Gentleman appeared to be under the impression that we had a :r eat naval for ce abroad, without being of any use whatever. The goll• Gentleman could not be aware of the number of apP li ' cations by the commercial interests abroad for protee; tion. He could assure the Hon. Gentleman that one ° 1 the main reason s w h y our merchants wore not i n jured , in some of the South American States was because the people of th ose S tates k new that our sh i ps wou ld not permit those m erc h ants to b e i n j ure d . H e was glad . avail himself of this opportunity of expressing his appro' batiun of the good judgment and discretion which our, naval offic ers had «xercised in some of the States of south America. The lion. Gentleman had also bug' gested that ships sta.ioned in the East Indies should be recalled. All h e (Sir F. Baring) would say with rega rd ~ to the present mode of employing those ships was, ttis nothing conduced more to the spread of civilizat ion G throughout the world than the keeping safe the hialevv_ll of commerce—the sea. With regard to the Af . r , a7; squadron, he would not now touch upon it. He did not believe the people' would at present consent to irit,b_ a f ile , that squadron, and when the Chancellor of the quer the other night made, in his free trade oP ee ich i c h (Cheers)—an allusion to the great advantages Fu ger, had arien from the re d uct i on of the duty e-„ eof he (Sir F. B ar i ng ) rt fleeted with some degre satisfaction th a t t h at result was in a g " reat degree 0 a nd be attributed t o th e exert i ons of that squad' et that when ho l e f t o ff ice t h e s l ave trade was The lower ebb than it had been fur many a long Hon. Gentleman, in commenting upon some observe toe d he (Sir F. Baring) made on a former eccasien, orP e o a t to have misunderstood him. lie (Sir F. Bering) y e o f occasion, expressed his doubts as to the expediencuYnds year. _dons keeping up a large fleet in the Ctiaunel. The g r b ° , eb of his doubts were these,—he apprehended that Lte, ject of their nav e l d e fe nce was to secure t h e i r own sal'2, but, at the same time, t o d o so b y means the least Tbat dlesome and offeesive possible to other parties. Q tr was the mode in which those Rho were anxious for tb own safety, and also for peace, would distributeersas"ri force they had at comman d . H ere b e must r ke l a st upon a misunderstandi n g o f w h a t was s tated bl tu ber Secretary but one of th e Ad m i ra l t y, th e Hon. M e an t for Tyrone (Mr. Curry.) If that Hon. Gentl , man _ 3 l 0 f to state that there was a s u p er i or ity in the Chttn e ir F. the French over th e English force, then be ( seas Baring) entirely differed from the Hon. Ge ntle see s as to the fact. But the Honourable Gentleman speaking of the whole force of the -t h r : rai - e l, in the Mediterranean, as well as in the C v !., the and was comparing it with the British force i_LL e dy Channel only. Now, he (Sir F. Baring) stated dishtifleft and deliberately the' at the time and before el° w a s office, and even so early ' as in December last, ther e s EO ample power in the En g li s h f orce f or manning sbiPcotn" as to secure to us a sup , riority in the Channel, a s ion in pared, not with th e French ships then in comm ission the the Channel, for th ere were hardly any, bat with . French ships in p or t. Wi t h regard to t h e plan fer,te w d to zing the ship s w hi c h h e h a d proposed, h e regreii,efe find that it was con s id ere d by t h e Ad m i ra lty to barn, if fieient. He should hav e h a d no reason to amp, e timethey thought the pl an w r ong , h a d t h ey w i s hed toe. niae; to consider it, and postponed th e a d o ption of the ialt y but )se did regret that two officers of the M in hot should have condemned (and one of them in strong,,, e lf guage, too) that plan, and yet that the Admiral ti fY ere t 0 if should nut have abandoned it. Abandon the scheme they, you please, but don't say you will try the plan, an", in of in the House of Commons, systematically coel e a b e rne it. lie did not consider that fair play to any °- that might be preposed.—(llear.) • ed t he Captain DUNCOMBE was sorry to have ra l e s ., b indignation of the Right Hon. Gentleman hY e u .c sec servations with respect to,the legacy left to tu e h l of censors by the late Board of' Admiralty, in t he 5-6 '''rb e the proposal for a reserve force for the navy' vat however, would remember that those °" e been tions, made in the course of a preceding debate, hs,'leed called forth by the speech of a Gallant Admiraietinaide mind Berkeley), ono of t h e Ri g ht Hon. Ge et niroo lf. Colleagues, who evidently coedemned the plan res 6 —Wear, hear.) the present Board saw difficulty very the roposed by , in carrying out the scheme a s P no t sane late Admiralty, seeing that the proposition was N o on° tioned by any officers employed iu the subject, hoaever, had had g reater considerate _t_earci this, or had been more maturely weighed, and t had perceived that there would be a very grea f t a d e ttlar i be service. on _ Lan navy. If the Right Hon. Gentleman accused in carrying it out so as to promote the welfare r °f rd " c e. sideretion of the scheme b ad not y e t been a hand d i r of any double-faced dealing, he would state that tn° The Noble Duke at the head of the B oard ha d cot 'Jtteody with experienced officers n and willing to curry the plan out to the f u ll e st wt b lia 0 .. the subject, a nd sv e a 3 ea t it' x it could be proved t o be for th e benefit of the P' service.—(Hear.) o ffice at the dm an d Sir F. BARING was not a w are that he had used, was did not intend to u se, an y words the effect of w hich ere imputation upon the h onour o f t h os e wh ° , ‘ „,,elf now Airalty. He thought it toth frs ow tiec have nece ssary to make this explan a ti on, w hi c h th f t he b een rendered necessary by a mistake on the par t Hon. Gentleman opposite. first Mr. HUME, having w h en t h is Milit i a Bill was e. proposed by the Noble Lord then at the head of her' •nal jesty's Government stat e d hi s o bj ections to the Pri ric b i l c h of the Bill, as not bei ng consonant to the age ' fi at we lived, and contra r y to t h e feelings of t h e co untry large, had intended to content himself with that opf i u ncht tion and with voting against it on these gr ow one of its stages; hut there had bee n the in every extraordinary statements made in the course ofe cow debates that had ensued, and allegations (as he eof ceived) so utterly preposterous, that he ecn,„„ me allow this opportunity to pass without ventutinl.ore state the view he took cf the question nOW the information the House. which was He couldsou not ht in conce the iv return ""e botoeed g u for by the lion. Member f o r the West Riding ld os t he called unnecessary. Ho admitted that the effec_t.cof,, motion would be to postpone the Bill, like manner, was to postpone it until the present t e te as to invasion had left both the present and I"' a oiled Oa Cabinet.—(Hear, hear.) The panic which prer the subject of our national defences had been vve u : , an d and his o n le! sort of cholera, for it came and nobody knew_ 1 °,,-; tit he taeling,T ) went away and nobody believed that, whatever might be the state doors; the House, there was no such alarm out and it wil d knew bow.—(A laugtcif) petitions had been presented vgeinet the Bill, a the de3 t ire most desirable to postpone it until we ha tion to th e this return would be to give informa „ co grant information. The House had been gravely told the - t° • been kept secret, that iu the appe enemy, but, so fur was similar infuse:nation . t x l3l3 to j' ol3 having wow report of the Naval Committee of 1843 they tha t n£o o 1 - ; n q: li d le find given the number of ships from 1828. y ea r, the Et5t10 1 33 the ships were Q 0