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- . 10, ~- t c7 ik. 4;; , 1: ..,.•- ‘4 ' l• - . - ~.,-'l 7 ',;,.." '' • ,_, .' i t , ..' ;,' ' 4 l , (y;rt AMU IiRT . ~. 1 i; f _ • , t jt....r o ~ _ N ~., ...„..„.,,, _ „ . S U . „. . , _ . 0 ivolk.'- ~.,q; -4qtypv , 6 aft-) 7. /1. 4 THURSDAY, MAY 1, 1823. Numm it 9574. PRICE SEVENPENCF. ADNIIRALTY-OFFICE, 28th April, 1333. PARLIAMENT. the Admiralty, if it had been what the lion. Member had de scribed it. HOUSE OF LORDS, APRIL 30. Sir T. BARING said a few words which were inaudible in the Gallery. Mr. R. MARTl'isl . said, that any exceptions to the principle of the Bill night be made in the Committee. He should cet. tainly vote for bringing in the Bill. sir. ESTCOURT opposed :he motion, because in the pre. sent state of prison discipline he thought the punishment was useful and necessary. After some fnrther observations from Mr. li. GURNEY,•Mr. Sheriff Tnost PSON, and Mr. (i. BEN NET in reply, the House divided, when there appeart.ll.... For the Motion . . . 37 Against it . - . 70 Al ajority . . A Message from the Lords here announced their Lordships' assent to several Bills. ;VE LAWS. Lord CRANBORNE anifoCeisl;i : otiiiit from the Commons a copy of the Report of the Select Committee on the Game Laws, pursuant to the Message sent to that House, on the motion of Lord Calthorpe.—Laiti on the table. Mr. Smt t xc KrcE and others brought up frotn the Commons the Irish Charitable Societies' Loan Bill, which was read a first time, and the Report of the Commims on the Local Taxation of the city of Limerick—Laid on the table. The Warehousing Bill, and the Profane Swearing and Cur, sing Prevention Bill, went respectively thr.,ugh Committees, and were reported. • Lord CAW - DiMt moved for Pipers relative to the adminis tration of justice in 'Wales, and gave notice of a motion on that subject for Tuesday next,—Adjourned. Mr. HUME moved for certain Returns relative to Half-pay Naval Officers. —Ordered. tors the cir and len OP' 3na the re3rs 0 016 lOW ; !-f"' r"o: . child , Mr' La not Ines . lock , with icier" og. ) 1 - 31 ' t LP mooif fect! ve ritcoc /~ MP " , Bro" .1 , 11' f t l ic 'Ate Roo' SO ' 10S° f•S treet t; ,sibso- r ° V e° 4T I / Al 4 11 Of eP ti° k ilt 5' REFERRING to the Notice from this O ffi ce dated the 55th June, 1551, relative to the reception of 'Chronometers in R Depot opened at the Royal Observatory, wt Greenwich ; the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty hereby make known, that after a consideration of t ke rates of the Chronometers which have been compared fit twelve Months at the Itoyal Observatory, (including the time that - several of them were ;rut to the Island of Madeira,) theij Lordships have with the Advice of the Board of • Longitude, 'ordered the Chronometer of Mr. Barraud, number 957, to be 'purchased at the first premium price of three hundred pounds. And their Lordships further make known that the following /tiles and regulations will, durinz the present year, and until further notice, be observed in comparing the rates of . the Chronometers deposited upon trial at the Royal Observatory, and in assigning the premiums for the Chronometers which shall have kept the best and the second best time, via. "The mean of the daily rates fur each month in the year 1 " 1 "te, sepArately computed, and the difference between the greatest and lean of these Divan rate* biinic taken for each Chronometer, this difference shall be doubled, and added to th e wean - monthly variation, that is, to► tl►e mean difference of the greatest and least daily rates in each month ; and the excellence Of the Chronometer shall be determined by the smallness of this suns; but no Chronometer shall have a claim to the first prize if it exceed *ix SeCOlllll, nor to the second if it exceed ten." _ J. W. CROKER. EAST INDIA HOUSE, April So, MS. T HE COURT. of DIRECTORS of the tiNt'rEo COMPANY of !MERCHANTS of ENG LAND TitADINo to the EAST INDIES, do hereliy give Notice, That a SPECIAL GENERAL COUIU' of the said Coto Party will he held at their House iu Leadetiltall-street on WEDNESDAY, the 14th May next, at Eleven o'clock in the forenoon, for the purpose of laving before the Prorietors, fur their approbation, a Resolution of the Court of Directors of the 9th instant, grunting the sum of (60,00010 sixty thousand Pounds per 11111111111 to His :Majesty's tovernment, with a view of relieving the finances of the Country from the Charge in curred for retiring pay, pensions, ecc., on account of dint part of his Majesty's forces which is maintained in the East !tliliesi' from the :30th April, 1923, to be pnid out of the Terri torhrl Revenues of India, on account of all Retiring Pay, Pen. &e., granted or that may be hereafter granted in re spect of his Majesty's forces serving in the East Indies. Copy of the said Resolution now lies open at this house for the perusal of the Proprietors. The Court of Directors du also give notice that the said General Court is further made special for the purpose of guts. miffing fur confirmation the Resolution of the General Court of the 19th March, approvin g the Resolution of the Court of Directors of the Isth December Wit, granting 1" Major James Itivett Carnes:, of this Madras Eiliii)stlehMeitt, the sum of ( 00 ,000) thirty thousand Bombay Rupees, at the rate of ad, per Rupee, upon the grounds therriti stated. The Report required by the By Law, Crap. g . S,, c . 20 , t „. /ether with the documents upon which the said Resolution has been formed are open fur the inspection of the Proprietors at this !louse. _ JOS'EPTI DART, Secretary. EAST INDIA HOUSE, April 30, 1943. THE COURT of DIRECTORS of the UNITED COMPANY. of MERCHANTS uf ENG- L._ TRADING to the EAST INDIES, do hereby give Nui ice, , Thu the COURT will he ready to receive PROPOSALS ill wr iting, at any time on or before WEDNESDAY, the 25th of June next, from any Person or Persons who may be will ing to,BUILD, either in the River Thames, or at an Outpurt in Erigland or Wales, a SHIP or SHIPS of about 1300 Tons Ilurthen, to be LET on Freight for the said Company's Ser• s ie.9 fur SIX VOYAGES certain, speLifying in One Item a Pertilalterit'Peace Freight for each of the said Six Voyages. The Tenders, with the words " Ship Tender" on the Cover, 4 be s everally sealed up and left with the Secretary, at this ofilojitsule„t roni:xrt,before Twelve o'Cluck at Nom', on the said 25th beyond Which hour no Tender will be received. The JOSEPH DART, Secretary. particulars of the Principal Dimensions and Scantlings 1111:: cSiii:aptstterapliariy ltlsentory of the Principal St o res, th e C opy fur each V oyage , as an O ut li ne, together tu t } the tither Terms atid Conditions upon which the Ships are ms built, and employed in the Company's Ser tu tile "t‘" be 1 1114 upon applicati o n at th e Of fi ce of the Clef k :; tl 'i e tt x i t e f Sh irpitsg, un ur after Thuriday, th e 15th day of m N--...................... ^mow Eh ROOMS, HANOVER-SQUARE, b- OHAY begs most respectfully to acquaint e " iv9biMrlftY ' MIT tPY, • and his Friends in general, that his EN j <` CONCERT Will take place on FRIDAY, the gth instant, at the above Rooms, on the grand scale of former Yeari.---The principal Vocal pan g by Madame Campnrese, 1,‘,11.14.8111n1nn, Miss Travis , and bliss Stephens ; Mr. Vaughan, " It • W. Knyvett, blr. J. B. Sale, Mr. Terrail, Mr. (Gulden, 4nd Mr. Bellamy; Leader of the Band, Mr. F. Cramer; Conduct; Mr. Gicatorex.--Tickets to be had of Mr. Vaughan, 891 (heat Portland- street, Portland-place; and at the Music. 61)1 or meet, and Co. Bond -street; Clenienti and Co. Che • ....................... 4 P‘lde ; and at the Royal Institution, Argyll Rooms. ~.......--- `ALL OVER NEXT THURSDAY.. I . 1811 generally has something particular to Notice relative to the great luck attending Purchasers ,4,4'2,cOttives,-atict this 'Lottery he has to boast what never titi:lbefoee by any Ottice•keeptr(liinrielf includetP. (by till )'Nutil the in number of Twenty• One Cupt all in On'e Dayl and its ilia Wheel still contains •Two Money Poises of .£lO,OOO "• • • .of .. .. 41,000 14 . Ali . . Attd 16 'otlier which inttst he drawn NEXT THLI . ESDAY, a great expected, and Mill lioPes and Csects un that by h4l m t•tutly to the already 'splendid l as t or 'Capitals u hi. lladrawit 'rickets .and Share* are on Sale at LUSH'S CORNHILL, arid 9, cIiAIIG.CRO•4B. 6 4 1 *Tti - Poo* of Stork, tit* atAsetilkoorly itgainst'flthil gitiln 111 by the. lb brc way :tee the flue laatitht, " !I which, U 4 HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair a' short time before four O'clock. A Petition watpreserited from certain Linen Manufacturers in the County'orArtnagh, praying that the 'louse would im. pose additiona►l duties on the importation of yarn.—Laid on the table. Sir G. ROBINSON presented a petition from the Boot and Shoemakers and Curriers 6f Northampton, praying for the total repeal of the I. i eather Tax.—Ordered to be printed. POOR LAWS. Mr. NOLAN postponed the second reading of the Poor Laws Amendment Bill to Friday, Cue 9th of May. Upon the motion of Sir J. NEWPORT, the further conside ration of the Report upon the Irish County Treasurer's Bill was postponed to Friday. Lord F. OSBORNI presented a petition from Chatterit, praying for the abolition of Slavery in the West Indies.—Or. dered to be printed. DUBLIN GRAND JURY. Mr. S. RICE rose to move, in behalf of his Honourable Friend the Member for Westminster, fdr certain information relating to the inquiry ordered by the House. He moved that there be laid before the House a list of the Common Council of the City of Dublin, distinguishing such as are of the Guild of Merchants. Also for a copy of the Proclamation of the Lord Mayor of Dublin relative to the dressing of the statue of King 'William, and of the Resolution adopted thereon by the Common Council or any other 'persons. Also that the Town Clerk of Dublin be ordered to attend at' the Bar of the House on Friday seinnight.=Ordered. Colonel WOOD postponed his Resolutions upon the Poor Laws to the 29th of May. A petition was presented from Dartmouth against the Coal Duties.—Laid on the table. PUNISHMENT OF WHIPPING. Mr. O. BENNBT rose, pursuant to the' notice he had given, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to abolish the pu. n i s hment of whipping. This was an odious punishment, whi c h had no e ffi cacy in reforming those on whom it was inflicted, and was the last remains of a barbarous system which ought to be entirely got rid of'. 'there was a secondary punish ment w hi c h would have a better, moral, and corrective etTect, if properly administered, namely, hard labour. Ile had examined the subject Perhaps more than any one in the House, anti he had never heard an argument advanced in favour of this detestable punishment.. Ile had heard indeed, that it was a good way of treating an incorrigible plough-boy. But he would ask it' there was ever an incorrigible plough-boy who was not made inure incorrigible by it. From the returns which he had before pre sented to the House, it appiared that, within six . years, 6,969 persons had been submitted to this punishment; and lie trusted that the House would remove such a stain and blot from the administration of 'justice. Ile moved for leave to bring in the 13i11, Mr. CURWES supported the motion. Mr. Alderman S %IIT/1 said, he thought there were cases in which the dread of this punishment was greatcr than that of a year's imprisonment, and therefore very useful. The ATTORNEY-GENERA L. said, that he could not agree in n sweeping proposition for abolishing this punishment altogether, because there were undoubtedly some c a ses i n w hi c h it might be salutary and desirable. He must, therefore, oppose the motion. Mr. IiENNARD supported the motion. Mr. DAWSON regretted that the question had not come on at a time when his Right lion. Ftiend, the Secretary of State for the Home Department was in the House. The Honourable 31ember appeared to him not to have shewn any reason why they should support the motion. lie should take the sense of the House upon it. Mr. 110BHOUSE contended that there was no Act of Par liament which authorised private whipping in jails. If such a disgraceful punishment were to be tolerated at all, publicity was the only thing . which could make it of any use in deterring front the commission of crime. Female whipping had been abolished out of delicifey to that sex, and li.hought• some thing teas due to the manly feelings of the other. After flog ging, there was no man who did not lose that without which he ceased to be a valuable member of society ; he meant self. respect. •In the navy, the effects of flogging were strikingly apparent. He had been on board a sloop of war, where the was obliged to have his cabin guarded by men with loaded blunderbusses, in consequence of the desperate charae. ter of the crew, owing, as he stated, to thtir having,' every one of them, been so much flogged. lie trusted, that-at least, the Bill would not be rejected without some discussion. Mr. N. CALVERT spoke in favour of a modification of the existing practice, but thought it should not altogether be abolished. AIL STURGES BOURNE took the same view of the ques tion, and said, that from his experience in Courts of Justice. and in the regulations of Prisons, it was ii salutary terror which could not be dispensed with, without giving up a very power ful and useful means of deterring front crime and maintaining order. Mr. J. SMITH supported the motion, and argued in fa vour of the entire abolition of the practice of whipping cri minals. Mr. HOLME SUMNER contended that the punishment was necessary, and ought not to be abandoned. Sir I. COFFIN said , - that during fifty years of service he had never heard of such a case as that stated by the Hon. Member for Westminster, as to the captain of a King's ship being obliged to guard himself with loaded blunderbusses, be. cause every one of his crew had been flogged. There were Quarterly Reports made to the Admiralty, and he was sure the Lords of the Admiralty would have caused inquiry to be made into this case. In all the time he had been in command, he never had occasion to punish more than one man. The Hon. Member ought to have laid the conduct of the officer be. fore the Admiralty. Mr. llonttoust explained. Sir R. HERON contended that the„punishment ought to be abolished. Mr. N. CALVERT explained. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that as the Hon. Member's mo tion went to abolish altogether the punishment-of whipping, all the information he possessed upon the subject led hint to consider it as a dangerous experiment, and he should there. fore oppose it. lie thought ,it would operate irainst other objects which the Honourable Member himself advocated.— the Hon. Member was amongst those who wished to lessen the number of capital punishments in our criminal justice, and how could that experiment be tried, if they were to take away the secondary punishment. Ile believed that a better effect would be produced on boys by moderate whipping than by so litary confinement. He should therefore oppose the . Bill in the beginning. Dr. LITSHINGTON took an entirely different view of this question from thattleclared by the Right Honourable Sevrehtry of State. He thought the practice ought to be abolished, and stated that in cases where public whipping bad been resorted to, the people bad viewed it with disgust and detestation. rile. RUAIMOND contended that 'the Lill, as be un derstood it, was impracticable. Mr. Alderman SMlTll , explained, Mr Alderman WOOD, in reference to an observation which had fallen front another lion. Alerriber, as to the punishment inflicted in Netvgate, said that they elwayti took 'place` under the inspection of the Sheriffs. An lion. NI zstilEst said that iv was ittipoisible' for , such a case as that described by the U n Atember:for. Mrotninster to havo occurred n •the navy. There Officer to tire service who woul not have reported:4llli State 'thins ihip io Mr. R. MARTIN moved for leave to bring in a bill for the Improvement of Waste Lands in Ireland. After a few words from Mr. GOLTLDURN,•IeSVe was given. PUBLIC 'ACCOUNTS. On the motion for the Muse going into a Commlttee of Supply, HU:SII: wished to know whether it was intended to pro. pose any alteration in the present mode of making up the Pub. lic Accounts. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he hoped to he able to do s o n ex t S ess i on . 'The Committee was then postponed to Friday. WAYS AND MEANS. The Committee of Ways and Means was also postponed to Friday. The Reports of the Committees on several Irish Charitable Institutions were brought up and agreed to. The Bill for vanting Bounties on Captured Slaves went through a Committee.—Report on Friday. The Report of the Committee of - Supply on Miscellaneous Services was brought up, read, and agreed to, after a few words from Mr. W. SMITH and %Ir. llu The Lords' amendments on the Merchant Vessels Appren. tire Bill were read a second time and agreed to. ADJOURNED DERATEONTHE LATE NEOO. CIATIONS, The Order of the Day was moved by Mr. WYNN, for re suming the adjourned Debate on the Papers laid before the house respecting the War between France and Spain. The SPEAKER having read the original motion, and the Amendment proposed by 31r. STVARTWOUTLEY, Mr. WYNN-spoke at considerable length in support of the :Intendment; but in consequence of the low tone m which the Right Hon. Gentleman spoke, many of Ida observations were inaudibla. Ile contended that we could not not take any intermediate course'between peace and war. The Ilon. Mem ber for Westminater, who spoke oil the first night of the debate, thought that Ministers should have consulted Parliament as to the course of negociation they were to take when they found that France was determined to attack Spain. Had Ministers done so, they, in his (Mr. Irs.) opinion would have been guilty of a vio lation of the spirit of the Constitution.. The King, by his pre. rogative, had the right, through his Ministers, of deciding on questions of war and -peace, though that decision was after. wards to be approved or eensuted by Parliament. It was contended by Hon. Members, who spoke in support of the original motion, that the use of a different language from that which had been held would bevelled the desired effect ; much stress was laid upon what was called " dignified language."— That was inure properly a matter of opinion than of grave charge. He contended, however, that in the whole course of these negociations, the opinion of this country against interfer ence generally fan opinion applied particularly to the case of France and ,pain) had beeMdearly and distinctly stated ; and it being so stated, he apprehended that it was of little conse quence whether it was expressed in a few more or a few less words. And he thought that the mitigated tune of re monstrance which had been so much found fault with, was much the best, considering that it came from a country ' which had taken op the chard ter of a mediator rather than that of a party. indeed, had Ministers used the sort of lan guagerecommended by an Hun. Baronet last night, and it has proved ineinetual, Ministers might be told, and Justly told. that they had left the country no choice, and that they had de graded it by using threats which they had no intention 'of car eying into execution. He did not think that France would have been deterred from her intention, merely by the menace of war, seeing that she would of course calculate on the sup port of the Allied Sovereigns, He fully concurred in the strongest censure which hail been expressed in that Holier upon the conduct of the French Government. lie had always opposed the encroaching spirit o f j aco bi n i el d anti imperial l, ranee : but still he could ncit think that we were called upon to use an inculpative or vituperative torte in the course of our negociations with her. He did not consider the invasion at a cause of war on our part, unless it directly affected our own interests. We might still persist in remonstrance. This was the opinion of the g reatest Statesmen who hail sat in 4 that Houte, whether they were employed in the admini stration or in the criticism of public affairs. This opinion was expressed in the case of Holl a nd in the year l'Alti, by Mr. Fox and 31r. Burke, who both held that we wete not called upon to go to war in case of an aggression by one ry upon unless Our own interests were directly affected,nut athteot litterig, Right Hon. • G e ntl ema n h e re gunnel th e opinions of Mr. Fox and M r . liorke.)---- tn gimiler to this was . the opinion which Lord Grey expressed in the year 1810 against our interference in the affairs of Spain. One Hon. Member - had advocated our going to war because he said it could be carried on cheaply, and would benefit our own commerce while it would injure that of Franco. This he thought was not the case; but ut all events it was unjust and unsound policy. Ile (Mr. Wynn) contended that we ought not to go to war with. out a dewrmination to go thenugh with it, and bring it to an honourable conclusion. 31r. I, urke had aptly observed, thit " Bellona was a female not to b e fli rte d wit h ;" and the Spa. niards had a very wine proverb_..." Th e s w or d should not be drawn without reason, nor sheathed without satisfaction."._ We Wight take a sugar island front the French, but he did not think their foreign commerce was extensive enough to be of vital importance to them. We could not injure France without active war. He did not, however, think 'thee tittle considerations were necessary. ' Ile was persuaded that France could never keep possession of any more of Spain titan the part which was occupied or directly commanded by her armies. The Spaniards could harrass and waste an Invad ing enemy by an expert mode of warthre peculiar to them. selves, though they might not be üble to meet that enemy i n the field. If we were to decide on assistin g Spain, we could not long be auxiliaries in the war. W e must soon b ecome. principals in it, and encounter the same cxpcnce and loss whi c h we had done in the fanner war. But then it was argued by some Honourable Members, that we must engage in the war at-last. If this argument wins good at all, it way - good for our engaging in every war in which France might' he engaged. It was said that France, if successful in Spain, would attack Portugal. To this he, answered, , •then it will be time enough for unto interfere." We had ori a former 0c.4 elision defended, and succession( defended, Portug a l aga i nst the united efforts of France are Spain, u when the latter was almost in die meridian of her power. The mere possibility of i our being drawn into a war hereafter was surely no good rea- . son for our, voluntarily engaging in it flow.- If it should be necessary for us hereafter to engage in the aver, he was con vinced we had the means of supporting the honour, which he considered at the best interest at the country; Ile, as well as his colleagues, lisapprovcsl of all interference •in the "Airs of any country, whether on the part of the Governor'', or tm that of the governed, until we should be Wettest ourselves; and this was the bads of the pollee pursued and intended to be con. tinned by Ministers: Ile Mit not expect to hear front any Meniber of the English House of Commons the oprenion of " the accursed monarchical principle," the pritunple 'of ahe English liptiseof Common* being that of a limited 34onarchy.. Ile liked Slontirehy himself, because he thought no tyranny was *o great its that which was exercised by the many. Ile hoptd the lion. Member for Westntinster did not mean so largely es his exprexxioft imported. Mr. 1101111003 E said his expreietion was.tory clearly ex pounded by the wordi which followed, " the 'ryrunta of En tope"—(flear, hear ! front the Opposition)—a tu r h e h a d o b v i„, outily so apokei of the monarchical principle, in opposition to our own limited Monarelts. , Mr. WY NN was happy so to undoitand the tion.'Nember.: In continuation, be obaoved that he felt regret at heasetrg the 'abuse which, in that House, was applied to the - Allied Sow- Tripe. He should not -think of defending their ronduct f but he •thought t h at 'h'' t ta , • abuse ofthent could smarter •op-gtiok end, anti must eetatal - thtliniposed effect of our own tnettlafret. lit was well aware , that the language applied to them in that house was within the privilege enjoyed by its Members, and that they had • afull right to express their opinions, freely and without mea sure, upun foreign Kings and Governments. Ile submitted, _however, that the very circumstance of :its being a privi'eged right, or there being no power. , ta:Teetrain them, should in duce Hon.:Members to eontrotdstheniSelvete. There could be no manliness in suclplangttage; however strong; for there was no manliness in saying that which 'one was protected in - saying. lie would now advert to the. Memorandum of the Puke of Wellington, addressed to the Spanish Oovernuient, , in which the Spanish King waxspoken'of in terms of which some' Honour. able Members disapproved: Ile disclaimed any wish to defend the conduct of, the King of Spain front the year 1814, 'to the year 1020, but he thought it did not follow that heshould agree in the disapprobation which:had 'beertlexptessed of thist , part of. the Duke's Memorandimi. lie understood the Diike'e language to Import nothing more than that the 'personal character of a Sovereign could afford no reason for'overthrowing a Monarch orfor depriving him of those powers -which were necessary for a Sovereign .to possess in , order to his acting-in that character.-- For six years the subjects of this king.dom.had been complain.. ing of injuries suffered from' the conduot'of sufficient to justify war;: but Spain had uniformly' turned a deaf ear 'to these complaints. How then, under these cireumstarices,eoulti is be expected that this country could do more than. "offer its good offices ? It had urged as matter of Mame 'that we wigs ourgood- offices to France. We hail done so at the express wish of Spain,; and it was impossible therefore we could be blamed in - this as the friends of France. •We hail done all we: could do' with • France in the:way Of counsel and remodstrance ; and Spain had not asked of us to Offer a menace: In the -system of just and honourable -neutrality, which hail 'been adopted,•h6 hoped his Majesty's Government would be supported. But if a real necessity for war should arise, he -was confident that= there was a spirit in the country, and adequate resources to carry us through it with triumph.— (Hear, hear!) LEITESTER said, he did not All into the view taken by some Gentlemen in that _]louse, that this was not a' question of peace or war.---:(lfear, hear 1) Ile condemned, the conduct of the British 'Diplomatists in the late riegociation;•as having shewn the enemy what was our gametinin the conimenceinerit. The only person found to justify the conduct Of 'France was an individual in another place Who would not laugh if such a man there be ? Who would not weep if a great Duke' were he ?" (Much laughter.)—Happy he was to think. that but dne - of all that bad spoken their sentiments on this great and -interesting subject, wits found to justify and applaud conduct so •atro elms and blood-thirsty. He Could not help considering that the advice given by our Goverment to Spain, to make niodi•.. fications in her Constitution, to yield obedience to the dicta tion of her haughty-and Insolent enemy, was contrary to coin• meat sense, as it was contrary - to common humanity. lie certainly give his vote for the address moved by his Humor. able Friend. Mr. Air. WILLIAMS rose to say that he had found nothing to rue in the papers ,relating to the late negociation. He considered that the language of a paper preceding these was far more objectionable. • He alluded' to that ewe document speaking of our making common cause with Foreign Powers. He could conceive no possibility of a common cause betwixt freedom and despotism ; nor did he think he should have lived to hear such language flow from the lips of a British Stiteetnari. But for the course pursued by his Majesty's Ministers at the Congress of Verona, he offered his sincere thanks. It was true, he should have liked to -hoe teen it a little , higher in tone, anti a little more diginfied in itentintente-e(Hear!)—But then it was to be considered that the language of menace was not the sort of language to 'pass between States. If the use of stronger language would have entailed the - necessity of a war, a different consideration altogether arose. lie could very well understand that his Majeity`e Ministers would Hesitate before they plunged - the country into war. With these wiews it was impcteeible for him either to agree with the original moe tion, or with the Amendment. Although the :Teeth of the Kinc of France had broached principles which this country would have been justified in goittg to war upon, yet it did not follow that it was the interest or duty of this country to enter at the present moment into a war- of- principle. It was consoling to him, that every one who had spoken on the a cub. ject, hail delivered hims If in - tented of unreserved condernmi ' tion of the conduct and principles► avowed by Frenee. lie wished, therefore, that as this was a point upon which all sides and parties could agree, - that an A (Wiese, embodying these sentiments, and expressive of the British horror of such prin ciples, should be proposed to be carried up to the Throne. This was the feeling of 090 out of loaf of elie:piepul.ition of this country. Were the British House of Parliament to lay aside ell grounds of minor difference, anti unite in a course of this kind, worthy of the previous conduct and principles of this country, it would redound to her holieur, and anew the Ale lies that she was ready to exert hetself, - as she had allears shewn herself to retain that eminence she had so long held amongst free nations. Mr. W. PEEL could not but express his sincere thanks to his Majesty's Ministers for 'the parr they had taken in this , no. egociatton. He thought the country stood in a much better si tuation at present, than if she had beetedreein' into an unne. ceseary and expensive war. At the atone time those who cried out for war, were those he believed, in his eimaciertee, 'who would be the very last to Isupply his Majeety's Governinent with the resources necessary to carry it on. There were some indeed who said this country Oaks not able to go td war. But surly when there was-not a nation that 'Wanted a 'million of money, that did nut apply to us for it, land not one that was not in fast indebted to us alreadeeif any -nation war Men state ' tootake war we were. He was ashartiedlo hear an Englishman • broach ouch a doctrine. It was impossible for any one to oael more etrongly than he did the absurd folly and madness Of France in the course she bed determined to adopt in respect of Spain. For his own part he never - could persuade hiniself that France - really meant to - invade Spain till - the Invasion • actually took place, and all that he had to say now was, God send her a sage deliverance! lie should give •liie vote for the Amendment,: which spoke his own sentiments and those of his constituents. —( !leer, hear!) Lord PA LM ERSTON assured t)ie House it was riot his in tention to enter into any examination of the papers on the t table of the /louse. He should confine , himself to the higher , ground, end the larger anti more general question, involving , the policy of thiecountry in the course pf neutrality,liy which all she had done in the negotiation had beeet guided.' (In the question as to whether France - could justify 'the 'wet she had' undertaken or not, there seemed to. be' no difibrence ofopi. nion. There 'were but two way* by which the negnelatites could have compassed theobject they kept • in view :--the one wits to limit themselves to remonetranceand rieionditv i or to venture this country in the same vessel with 'Spain. come what Sonic, however, evere.foial -to suggest it third course • and that was to threeten without binding - the petty-to - redeem the pledge so given, by realizing the threat. But this; in his •• opinion, was a middling course % equally degrading either to the nation or the individual who - should adopt suck. To threaten to send an army, and then' to ileum. a .llanifeato - -to brandirb the drawn sword in the mounnt of calm deliberation.; and when the tiny of battle arrived, to ariewer the defiance of an 'enemy: by a ion - tide protest, was the conduct orsecowerd and bully, and such as no nation having regent threiis character or -interests - could • adopt.e-( H ear; hear I )—The -May course then consistent with the wise line of policy-adopted, teas, to dins emetic France from her-meditated aggression,- and to' persuade ' Spain to do that which with honour she might 'be adviredoetio to ward oil' the threatened attack. - • Whenever Hole Oehtletion opposite talked' of the Monarchs of 'the -Continent, they de. sugnattel them as despots, and' heir Min titers as the mold it capable of men to govern a Suite upon just principles. /low;• they, could they now consistently none *award to recommend . these who had to negociate with such characters, to treat them only with long -and learned dieeertatione on principles ? principlo:tiega ;di non est disponntriorr. For his part ; he liked not despotism . ; but 'whewehe ettnititution -of ietutr wasfound to be fall of' the elements of distorde could it Lee/tong to offer ucl , ' vice to modify to such an' ettentotily as should purchaeeesiter-' sal peace eintl 'interred harnrony ? objettion takee to the channel of this advice, - art objection whichelar heggedeo say, he could not enter into. Foe, if ever a-tentatattaequired title to the gratitude of a nation; froMthe briefing uccentatif fency to the trimulnus tome; Of old age, that-man writhe Duke of Wellington, and the elation, Spain.•Thelattrelavenich mime lel his in -Iw%, he had mined -owlt. one from the previtiere , of tetin. Ile`had there thewri the discretion and ability of a States , man with the Tumefied tikill ofiemilitary tiononender. Weeit then - .in human nature, - that the Duke of Wellington Should be atere pectett liy theme earne people of insincerity to tkrir comterni.4... he eviee by the labour :eats yerete gtoey, had avenged tinted.; frontseattolveelled uttethrinsueies of the tiatiOn, by the tailed • . of herec witting inveders teeelleari }-=ate hi-theism, *Pam pre sent tam: est, it ,night hopper& that the Splinter& werild all unite . . 'against the ineadent; but if the iteiyallitselhould be found to avail themselves-of the assistance of the 1' 'ranch, had we relit an army into that country we should . stave feind ourselves etipe ported only by a minority of the beanie But if theprilricipie of such interference en our part was questieturble,the wtut still more ad; We were recovering from t he e ff ect of a prolunged'and arduous etruggle, and we's the stream ofrefetie. mg prosperity to be suddenly tensed aside to be waited iri 'the proseeution of a war which had been elsewhere elinraeteriMi en a romantic and chividrous ittitione-e, war of ientimerit:anil fur an abstract principle? It had been suggeeted that we rteight afford sufficient aid toffee elpaniertle by tket of. shine. Nine what he would ask, coW ships do against on invading army 4 land., through the paireet of the Prances ? If, of their own accord, Such - a course had been taken, the Boni eientlernionowe remite would beet: been the Stitt to heap upon diem' ever! species of ridicule. To talk of our relying , upon the co-opee ration of the Spaniards was absurd—we nitiet be principals *NI nothing Lessin a - Peninsular war. To engage in it epon other footing would be to Tisk tarnishing the national honeran, and losing the leurels eve had earned on the seine groind.— (Hear, hear beef(' Spain were united she would be suceestgol e in which ease nothing would be lost to her or us by our rieue trality, whilst much might be gained. We should be enabled with repaired resources to . embark in any future cettee,earal which should justify Our aid; whilst Spain would have the 0f.., portttnity of irtateirr herself free by leer own entertioiselleini. which she would he more capable of making 's goad use - her freedom, and amore 'worthy of enjoying it.—( erste • Colonel DAMES usuired the Howie, that-if` ttie question beftire the Douse were between peace and war, If he wolf to listen to his individual feelings, he should vote for war. But it was not always 'justifiable to treat questitite in 'that liettie according to individual 'feeling. The Hon: Member then went into an examination of the papers on thetable of the House te.- letive to the late Pegoelatiohs, contending thet the language held towards the Allies tit Verona was not ;sufficiently strong, and the advicexiven to Spain was unworthy, of the one nation to give, and the other toTollow. IThe impatience of the House frequently broke out during the lion. Member's speech, which the lion. Meniber answered by assuring the House that he should detaib theta the lorigtl if moderate indulgence were not strewn to him. At the same thrill it rendered much of what fell from hine.inaudible the.gele lery.] , Mr. TWISS began by assuring the House that unwilling at that hour to 'widen the naturel impatience felt 'to detain them long, he would at once proceed to the question et issue with, out preface. Among the most popular . eharges brought against the Government for their conduct en this occasion was.onte, that in the'course of the correspondence between them and The Foreign 3linisters, we had betrayal the rising spirit of Speite, by counselling that she should modify her Constitutien, Ott answer to this, he would ask for what purpoee was that Moiliti. cation ? It was not to buy off die unjust aggression of FrAtte. but by way of a compensation to that power for drawing oft her army of observation, which, within the limits of her own tare ritory, itahould always be miners - there'd she had a right to mates thin. And all that was asked to be done 'as a li:iodine sitinti wee to make a compromise between two opposite, obnonidus rights. It had been.said on a former night, that the Mini4teta hail no choice betwixt that of being dupes or knaves; but lee should like to see it pointed out wherein they, could haveektne otherwise than they did in any specific part of the negdciatiene. For open war, no man had declared; hut for tberneasures.which his Majesty's %linisters had taken for the preservation Ofpeitee, noman had • anytoleration.. An' lion. aint LerirAllittlentlditien had said; this between - the:poles of war and pesee there wait Many a . reetimeeplace. lint he did not 'point out Where there was one which he could recommend to have been taken in thieve. sent case. Hia omission—a wise omission he MUM call it, had been supplied brother*. .The Hon. Baronet (Sir F. Burdett) for instance,' had recommended that out Ambassador 3 hakila have been withdrawn from France.' The effect of .this would have been to 'create a chance of mtich postrible harm, .andlee move every thence of any possible good.—(hear, hear, heir 1) —lt was impossible for us to have said to Frence, unlestlou do this, we wilt not do that, or we will declare war. Ns then* were not always in a state to incur even the smallest chance in an enterprise for the attainment of an undeniable geoid. But war, stall teener, was as mkt' in tune now as than. He denied that England ought to have departed from renitta litye In every war, right ecold only be on 'one side, and if England laid down the principle that she would, under 'allsere cunistances, step forward to defend the injured party, no, war could ever break out in which she must 'not take a part. The cry now 'raised in favour of war wee extraordinary, andethe more -extraordinary from the quarter in which it was beard. —This he thought mutt be admitted by entry one who reopen_ ! bored that those who now cheered in favour of a war fur the liberty of Spain, were the same who hail through so many years opposed illinisters, while engaged in conducting a tem. for ehe liberties of Europe. Was this because; the liberties of SIAM were so much dearer than those of all Eutope—eor was it thee they felt so snitch more the liberties of subjects wins strove against their King, than for the Inietties'or nations who foright against their oppressors ? He contrasted the appeal;; now made to the pride, nay to the power of England, with the etenduletti•e in which the same parties had for mane years been accuittuthei to indulge on the subject of her humiliation and deetty, and concluded ananimated :speech in defence of the poliey.tet stets, by pointing out the importance of their taking such a course as .may tend to allay the irritation of .others,, without involving England in a quarrel which would really be hereiwn. Sir F. BLAKE declared if he were'a Spaniard he would scout the lukewarm - friendship of neutrality, and say toethe parties who profFerest it, " those who are not thr us tire egitieta us." At the same time he would make a distinction againstete Government anti the people of this country. Ile consider el the people of this country to be in faiour of Spain, .but-their ardent 'feelings were restrained by the icy peetirlee of -tinier Ministers who, under the slew of neutrality, .silently. untwist • (he did not sayintentioruilly) the policy of that most abutnin able, most odious, and 'most detestable,system which hadbeen established by the I lolnAlliance against the liberties of. Teen. kind. , Had France been about: to be invaded by Spain, the language which the Hight Hon. Oentlernart wouldhava held wtnildhave been this that as soon as the Spanish stiovaird *Nal be raisetion the French territory, England:would make cont. mon cause with France to repel the invaders, and nctw stated this in the way of a caution to iohnonish thou that ifsuch Me act of aggression were ventured upon, it woold be at their pirilee. Why was not similar language eld tiering the late nenoeist. lion. The reason seemed to be, that this Was, under Abe 4irer tence orimpartiality, a conitidernble leaning towards Prance: Our Government was lulled' hs4o falSd itecurityeeforgot that even - Frence 'had • been anibitimot, mule thus 'deluded, looter* temelyern, while. she attempted the eubjueetion of Spain.: He would snppose another case. If Spain should 'repel. h e r enemy, -anti invade Franc, he believed in, that case should remonstrate against eunin conduct . e e - pert .eee our remaining - henna]. Spain, in Pual n'eatte, woulti.peelnips contend -thitt ehe did no more than France had Previonsly -date, but our Government would retort on her., 'that there was a wide difference between what France minlit: do , age inet Spain. 'and what Splin might do against Fiance.. the - condemned nhe• neutmlityof this country, as hting neither, the one think nor the other,' for it was likely to resolve itedfitito war at-last„ It had been said, if war must come owner ter. latest, let be later: . fie . Thought if wat 'were inevitithle, it heel ..bitter come at once; that it might the earlier reach ifs termination. —He rediculed the neutrality intended to ..be obeetved, and. -thought the -Conduct of Minatera throughout the bite traits. actions might be accurately described in the , words art' the Putt . . •- • • • -" They did just nothing 'nil the. day." Lord FOLKEgTONE expressed his. readinciOt to oPOlog‘io for the manner tra which he hnel spoken, o 1 o Lte ocoksion...if the liout,e consideretl hint to have !ailed, in. respect 4o 'them, but helliti not consider that his condoct defervestthe Attuntellt which hall been inat:e on it by the Right liOn. thitirianstr, , -r- Thu t he felt sharuc awl . indignation on 'perusing .the4iPero , wto true t it was tqually trite that he had. expresseehts,e o a, temPt.for these-negotiators who ocushl put twit natriA 'to th t ip Impel's; and that he tOlti of his maw:a* f-ortoboalerkt rfipr:_his country, but he hoped they were Ilog Co Jar gefne as to sleet% it unpardonable in C3leraber of the,ltritish House of eorninotas thus to indulge in the unreserved expression otitis sew itnents. %Vithlwrwerty-four hours., front ibc time to attic:, he, heti alluded, theitight lion. Oelitlertaut hinslelf tad proved rh4-t il btl he could frel an et.: The llouse howc.ver, would llo.h.in the justice to.r&vien That he e,leortl i'alkoqtnc) had felt klasse on amount of the-ta 'ioat offered to the chitro4ttf alit, eotttoo. .4.11i1e tile- Night hurt. tjkistleurati had welt been raavtA Ilk re flections cast on hirs'ewtt, Whet Right Hon, tieniktuan ) ) ail declared himself unable to dolt:ribs IliceestralittWhieh 4te, itn., posed ort hitoself„ leltile . ive, abotaitlett Plulti:raatMearrlit .what had eeennalil . on SteantlAieet' ttt.' aloic-.1 4 44 1 0). , 14 1 e '.viiithod to at - dm-Tow-it W 'haViltrteti; tuck being the ease, that they .heed IA I.IA the IS illafec t °Nebel* tbree n4gb ta wit/iout hiti having vfl'ettsl