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* eli v 4‘ * 1- virtt Fitton SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. RAILWAY commirrEEs. (THIS DAY.) H OUSE OF LORDS. Committee No. 5. The Committee met at eleven o'clock, Lord Selkirk, Chairman. IRISZ GREAT WESTERN-(DUBLIN TO GALWAY). IWZDZAND GREAT V7ESTERN-(EXTEN-. SION TO GALWAY). Mr. ALEXANDER examined Lord Oranmore, Mr. Blackened•, and Mr. Watson, in favour of the Midland Great Western Extension. Mr. Stowell, the engineer of the line was examined at great length on all the details of the engineering work of the line, as compared with the competing line. This being finished, and the formal proofs given in evi dence, the room was cleared. On parties being re-admitted the Committee intimated to counsel that they would hear but one counsel on each side, if counsel thought it necessary, to aildress them after their minds were made up. Counsel on both sides agreed to refain from addressing their Lordships. Mr. Rowe, on the part of the Canal Company, was not heard ; and theiCommittee intimated that their de cision would be made known at eleven o'clock to-morrow. The room was then cleared. NEWRT, VTAREENPOINT, AND NOS TREVOR. Earl Rosbery, Lord Stanley, Lord Hereford, Lord Ash burton, and the Bishop of Hereford, constitute this com mittee. Mr. Walker, cross-examined by Sir JOHN BAYLEY—Was appointed by the Board of Admiralty to examine into the effect which would be produced, on the Newry and Warren point. He thought damage would not be done to the river by a canal bridge being placed over the canal. He chd not think a bridge constructed properlywould be any inconvenience The soil is what is called by sluch or sludge. I think the ground is very soft. If time was given for matter to conso lidate, and the base wide enough, it would not much increase the expense of the work the railway would consolidate. The slugh is infinitely easier than the railway on Chet mess. He believed that the slugh at the depth of six or eight feet would be found to be harder, and of a less contracting nature than the superincumbent soil. Was of opinion that, after a proper foundation was made, a train of forty or any other number of tons weight would go over it with the greatest sa f e ty. There could be no danger whatever, and the ex pense of making an embankment would be comparatively trifling. IL This closed the evidence, and Sir Jourkr BAYLEY proceeded to sum up. After a few pre liminary observations the Learned Counsel said, that after the evidence which he had submitted to their Lordships, he felt bound to say that the preamble of the Bill could not be declared proved. The promoters had called Mr. Goodwin, their engi neer, whe had said the embankment p ro p ose d t o b e ma d e f or this line would be safe, and calculated to carry out the pro moters intentions of making a good line of railway. But, notwithstanding this opinion, the Committee had had the evidence of Sir John Rennie, who said that it was almost impossible to construct an embankment upon the Slob, inas much as it would be liable to periodical sinking. They then had the evidence of Mr. Walker, which went in favour of the promoters. Passing over the embankment, altogether, going to the fact of the bridges which were to cross the navigation belonging to the Canal Company. Now with respect to the bridges, it was shown that they would have to be at the service of the Railway Company till their trains passed ; by this regulation the Canal Company's traffic would be periodically delayed, inasmuch as they would have to wait the passing of the trains before barges and sailing craft could pass on. Allowing that the trains were to pass at certain hours, it should be borne in mind that trains never arrived at stations to their time, and allowing that they would have to go over the bridges several times during the twenty-four hours, the result would be to cause a delay of three or four hours to the traffic of the navigation belonging to his clients through the delay of the trains. After going at length into the nature of the evidence adduced on both sides, the Learned Counsel concluded by calling upon the Committee to declare the pre amble of the Bill not proved. The Committee then retired, and, after a brief deliberation. The CHAIRMAN said he had been instructed by their Lord ships to say that the preamble of the Bill was proved. Ile had also to inform the parties that their Lordships recom mended that a clause should be drawn up and introduced in the Bill, providing that in me of dispute arising between the Navigation Company and the railwail interest, such dis pute should be referred to the railway department of the Board of Trade. The clauses of the Bill were then gene into, and their Lord ship; rose at four o'clock. Room No. 4. This Committee sat to-day, Lord Glenelg in the chair. The only case taken was that of the LARNE, BELT AST AND BALLYMENA. Mr. Sergeant MURPHY appeared for the promoters and stated that the line is an extension of the Belfast and Bally mena line, from Carrickfergus to Lame, a harbour on the north -west coast of Ireland, a distance of 14 miles. The line travels fur a considerable distance along the sea coast, passing between it and the lands of D. S. Ker, Esq., M.P., fur Downpatrick, on the part of which gentleman i Sir W. RIDDELL opposed the line, on the ground that it would shut out from the sea-board the stone quarries of Ker, and it was contended that on this account Mr. Ker was entitled to some compensation beyond the price of the land which might be required for the construction of the line. Sergeant lltrarraysubmitted that this was not a matter for the consideration of the Committee, who should not be called upon to decide a mere question of quantum valiut. The proper course would be that which was pursued in the Courts of law—to refer the matter to the arbitration of some party capable of forming a judgment of the damage that might be sustained. The other side having refused to do this, the promoters proceeded to prove their case. Sherrard, the engineer of the line, stated in evidence that :he estimate was 140,0,,01., the expense of working the line, wilich was a very easy one, would be 3E/. on the re ceipte. had allowed 9d. per cubic foot for earthwork, and is. 3d. per foot for cuttings through the rock. The case for the promotars having closed, • Sir WALTER RIDDELL called evidence to prove the injury that the line would do to Mr. Ker's property. That evidence having been closed, he stated that he appeared on behalf of certain land and millowners in the town of Carrickfergus, who opposed the bill on the ground that the line was intended to cross a turnpike-road in that district, at the height of only fourteen feet only ; whereas, the Railways Consolidation Act limited it to fifteen feet. He had a clause providing that the height should be limited to fifteen feet at the least. The CHAIRMAN stated that it was unnecessary to insert the proposed clause, because the present law would protect the petitioners. Sir WALTER RIDDELL then addressed the Committee on behalf of gr. Ker, who contended that the promoters should at their own expense form for him a road to his quarries, in lieu of the preseutt one, which the line would destroy. He hoped their Lordships would consider the merits of the line bebre they passed the Bill. He was afraid that it would not remunerate the promoters, no engineering or surveying evi dence was tendered, and he really believed that the line had not been surveyed at all, or any inquiries made as to the probable receipts. He still hoped that their Lordships would consent to admit the insertion of the clause to which he had before referred. He concluded by putting in clauses on the part of Mr. Ker, and the inhabitants of Carrickfergus. Mr. Sergeant MURPHY in reply, contendod that the Rail way Consolidation Act of last y ear, p rovided for every corn , , pensation which Mr. Ker and the other petitioners sought, and he called upon the Committee not to encumber the Bill ..Fith such clauses as were provided for already by the general law regarding railways. He apprehended that the preamble of the Bill had been proved to the satisfaction of their Lord ihips. The line proposed to pass through districts in the north of Ireland, whose people were singularly industrious, and who were duly developing the resources of the country, 'and who had, in point of fact, set an example to the other 'portions of their unhappy country. He, therefore, hoped that their Lordships would not reject the Bill, and so prevent the laudable exertions of this people to develop the advantages and resources of their prosperous district. The line would, in an i mm i ne nt measure, aid the shipping of Belfast, the capital of Ole north of Deland. It had been.said by his Learned Friend that the line had not been properly surveyed; but let him prove his statement. And then, as to the claim of Mr Kerr, it was found that not one ton of lime had bean exported from the pier which he had erected; and he could not, there fore, be very seriouslydamaged by this line; besides, the pro moters olli,,red from the beginning to give him fine outlets and 750/. Tire promoters were also prepared to increase the proposed height of that part of the line which passed over the • turnpike road. The latter proposition was accepted. The room was cleared, and after a short consultation the parties were readmitted, when the Committee stated that the preamble had been proved, that the promoters were to leave Mr. Ker sufficient space between their line and the sea, to fortn a tram-road at his own expense, but the ex pense of forming the five approaches to the railroad claimed by Mr. Ker io be borne by the expense. Unless the romo t er s consented to the clauses proposed by Mr. W. Ridley, the Committee would order them to be inserted. Mr. Sergeant MURPHY said the promoters had no objection to their insertion. The clauses were accordingly inserted, and after; the with tl of some clauses, and the alteration of others, The BJI was passel, and the Committee adjourned. ST ANDIN G ORDERS' COMMITTEES. HOUSE OF LORDS. _ This Committee did not commence its sittings this day until a later hour than usual. The Lords present were, tl Earl of Shaftesbury (in the chair), the Duke of Richmond, Lords Redesdale , Hawarden, and Beauchamp. WEXFORD, 'WATERFORD, AND VALENCIA RAILWAY. In this case the Committee decided that the company allowed s h o uld for the present session onl y be to carry out th a t portion of their l ine extendin g from e V dlarney to alen c.sa, the requisite deposits for the other portion s of the line , orders had espe - f,ially that from Ki llarne y to Tralee, not having bee n lodged in time. The formal proofs having 34e their Lordships decided that the standing rd b ee n complied with, so far as regarded the so of the live run ning between Killarney and Valencila. rn r uThe length of the iLue to be made is thirty-six miles, the cost ot -which is estimati,d at 250,0001. The Parliamentary &louts and Co.; solicitors, J. Wilitinag n are Messrs. Dyson, Ran, and J. Simonds, Londoi;,. and W. B. West, Wexford. LONDON AND TOILS. The evil we anticipated has at length occurred—the r"solution of their Lordships to exclude the press, and cause the gentlemen connected therewith to rely on the state meats of interested individuals. These facts have led to its natural. r esults, and, for aught we know, has ca used the sreatest inconvenience to many individuals. Our readers may remember that we stated in our papa . of Tuesday last, that in this case the in esti()); of the new subscription deed or contract had been dec id,sd in favour of the present promoters of the Bill, said that as a.. 11 opp6zition had been withdrawn, the Bill had virtually passed, and the .Inal decision of their Lordships . was only withheld until a propel. signed deed was prepared,; with the real names of the promoters the line attached thereto. This information is incorrect, for tr.: the calling of the case, • Mr. eItp,DER made an application, on the part o: th e c1 ..- .\\ , 4.z . ..Easeeili_bounties Railway Company, to be heard in opposi ,-- ---- __. tion to the Bill, on the point of the contract deed. 'He said - 'that his objection to the deed was not ',that which , \ bad been _urged hut year before ) ' K: ----1,::\.."-'''' b ..- the Committee, and he argued that as the money which had been placed in the hands of the Accountant- General of the Court of Chancery had been so deposited under the deed of last year, and as the present promoters came under a new deed, and were not the same as those who last year came before the Committee, they had no claim upon that fund. The question, however, underwent considerable discussion. The Committee adjourned the case till Monday ; in the meantime, a case is to be laid before the Attorney and Soli citor-General for the guidance of the Committee in arriving at their final decision. The Committee adjourned at five o'clock. ROUSE OF COMMONS. GROUP IX. WEST OF SCOTLAND =DICTION. ---- The evidence on behalf of this Bill was proceeded with this morning. Bounsel for the Bill, Mr. Sergeant Andrews, Sir Thomas Phillips, and Mr. M'Neil. The scheme is petitioned against by the Corporation of Glasgow, the Clyde River Trust, the Trustees of the Glasgow Bridge, the Glasgow and Greenock Railway, the Glasgow, Barrhead, and Neilston Direct Rail way, Sir John Maxwell, A. Campbell, Esq., certain inha bitants of Blythewood Hill, and the members of an United Secession Congregation. The petitioners were represented by Mr. Austin, Mr. Sergeant Belles's, Mr. Sergeant Wrang ham, and Mr. Hope. The scheme is one to connect the terminus of the Glasgow and Edinburgh Railway, on the north side of the Clyde at Glasgow, with the Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway, on the south side, and through that junction all the lines in the West of Scotland, with that running east and south. It is a mile long, and is proposed to cross the Clyde by a viaduct at Glasgow-bridge to whick the principal op position is dreaded. Powers were also sought to make a station at Blythwood Holm. On the assembling of the Committee, some conversation took place as to the propriety of considering the Caledo n i an Termini and Branches scheme along with the West of Scotland Junction, as it competed with the latter in some respects. The room was cleared for a decision on the point. On our re-admission, The CHAIRMAN said the Committee had decided that the Caledonian promoters should be considered in connection with the West of Scotland Junction, and the promoters should cross-examine the witnesses, only their own case was not to come on till the legal time, according to the standing orders. The evidence on behalf of the West of Scotland Junction was then proceeded with. Mr. Miller, civil engineer, was called and examined by Mr. Sergeant ANDREWS, on the part of the promoters. He commenced with describing the lines north and south of Glasgow, which the proposed junction would bring into con nexion. The lines of railway on the north of Glasgow, made or making, was 130 miles, and on the south side 120 miles in extent. The proposed line was under a mile long, and crossed the Clyde by a viaduct just under Glasgow bridge. The line was to be carried over several streets, at an elevation of about 10 feet, so as not to interfere with the street traffic. The bridge was to abut against the present bridge, the piers being exactly opposite. About thirty feet would be taken from the harbour by the proposed bridge. The berthage of the whole harbour was about 5,000 or 6,000 feet, and it was to be extended by the proposed docks at Stobcross. The proposed station at Blythewood Hole was required, by the want or accommodation at the Queen-street station. The witness then described the route of the line, and the gra dients, which he represented as very favourable, the severest being on one of the diverging branches, 1 in 64. He con sidered it was the only practicable scheme, to allow a con tinuous stream of traffic north and south without interference. Two other schemes proposed to cross the Clyde, but it was only to get better station accommodation, and they could not connect the lines north and south without a great de struction of property. The estimates of the works were 200,000/. ; 75,000/. for land - and 124,900/. for works and con tingencies, which were dlculated at the rate of ten per cent. The witness was crop-examined by Mr. Sergeant WRANG mos, with the object of showing that the Caledonian Com pany purposed a connexion with the lines on the south side of the river, of a superior character. The witness admitted that the proposed connexion, if carried out to the mineral lines east of Glasgow, would be superior in respect to inineral traffic but not otherwise, for all general purposes, the West of Scot land was superior, and did not interfere so much with house property and streets. Cross-examined by Mr. HOPE, on the part of the Clyde River Trust, the Bridge Trust, and the Corporation of Glas gow. The inclination of Bothwell- street, in order to accom modate the line, was altered from one in eighteen to one in twenty. The tunnel, before the line reached the proposed new station, issued near to Waterloo-street,which was crossed by an arch twelve feet high, the road would have to be levelled a few feet here, and the gradient in the line there was one in ninety-two. Five streets were crossed before reaching the river, by arches of iron, of 12, IS, 20, 20, and 19 feet respectively. The witness was further questioned at considerable length, with the object of showing that the viaduct over the Clyde would affect the harbour accommodation, and be an eyesore to the city, on account of its elevation above the present Glasgow-bridge. The Committee adjourned at a quarter to four o'clock till next day at twelve, when the cross-examination will be re sumed. GROIT Xll. GLASGOW, xizAreLAnNocx, Ann ARDROSSAN. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) Mr. W. B. Salmond, merchant, Irvine, corroborated the evidence of a former witness as to the advantages of the branch to Irvine.. Mr. Baird, M.P., Gartsherrie, proved the minerals in the district through which the proposed line passed. Mr. Gairdner, banker, Kilmarnock, proved that an offer had been made to the Ardrosan Railway and Harbour Com pany by the Glasgow and Ayr Railway to purchase their property. Terms were drawn up, of which a copy was re tained by witness and one by Mr Leadbitter. Mr. NZIL Roasow, civil engineer, then described the line. The railway gradient was 1 in 75, the number of tunnels 5, but they only amounted in all to. :j 4 of a mile. The estimated cost per week was 540,0004 allowing 10 per cent. for contingencies. The distance gained would be about 10 miles. and no possibly better line could be adopted for the country. Mr. Robson's cross-examinationwas deferred till to-morrow, and the Committee adjourned. GROUP XIV. NORTH SENT LINE. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) By Mr. TALnar—The property there belongs to Sir Claude de Cupany. Mr. TALBOT-Sir Claude de Cupany is an assenting party to the Bills. By Mr. SELWYN—The feeling of the inhabitants is very much against the railway. Mr. PETER:4I)OHE then addressed the Committee on behalf of a petition against the proposed line by Sir H. Oxenden. He said that he had great pleasure in informing the Com mittee that he would call no witnesses, but would rely on the admission of those witnesses who had been already exa mined. The line was projected to pass through a park be longing to Sir H. Oxenden, and also within a very short dis tance of his mansion ; and the Learned Counsel commented on the fact that there was an alternative line which could be adopted, but the Company declined adopting it because of the additional expense it would cause to them, and there fore preferred cutting through Broum Park, the property of his client. Mr. Vignoles had offered to bide the railway which would inteasect the park by a series of artificial monds. The effect of that would be to cut the park completely in half, and destroy it altogether as a park to a gentleman's mansion. Mr. BACON then proceeded to address the Committee, in support of a petition presented against the proposed line, by the inhabitants and wardens of the parish of St. Saviour's, Southwark. Mr. G:4.13631113 objected to Mr. Bacon's being heard, on the ground that the petition had already been submitted to the consideration of the Committee. A solicitor had already appeared befor the Committee for this petition. The CHAIRMAN said that he thought the petition had al ready been considered, and therefore could not be again heard. Mr. BACON submitted that the petitioners alleged such grievance., that the Committee could hardly pass their peti tionwithout farther notice. The Ciiintsti . ;; — ;aiTii;; the Learned Counsel had better recapitulate suceesswely the heads of the grounds on which the petitioners claimed to be heard, and the Committee would then decide whether he could be heard. Mr. Sergeant WILANGHAM said that if Mr. Bacon was heard it would be against all precedent. The CHAMMAIf, after a short consultation, said that the case submitted by Mr. Bacon was so very similar to the one, presented the ether day, that the Committee could not hear it. The Committee then adjourned until twelve o'clock to morrow. GROUP X VI. EPSOM BRANCH. The Committee assembled to-day at twelve o'clock, Sir Charles Douglas, Bart., in the chair, when Mr. Farmer, a magistrate, was called on behalf of the South Western Company, confirmed the testimony previously given as to the desire of the inhabitants of Epsom to have the line proposed by this Company, as also of those residing in the dis trict to thesolth. In addition, the witness expressed his belief that thosel residing at and about Dorking and Leatherhead would prefer this line to get to London either to the route by Kingston or Croydon. To Mr. MoonE, Mr. Farmer expressed his belief that the petition which had been presented to the House of Commons in avour of the Croydon and Epsom line, and that he had withdrawn his opposition to that line in consequence of an arrangement with the Company. He also stated that, with respect to the Guildford...coach, the circumstances were, that although taken off the road to London, it was now driven from Bookham, where the proprietor lived, to the Kingston station, then back to Epsom, and then again to Kingston, to accommodate the public in that neighbourhood. He did not, however, believe that the traffic would support both lines. On re-examination by Mr. BILL, Q.C., Mr. Farmer stated that he had withdrawn his opposition to the Atmospheric Railway, because his counsel had advised him, under the im pression that the Committee were so decided in favour of that line, that his property would suffer if he did not yield. He thought that the terminus at 'Waterloo-bridge was the one best for all the resident gentry, whether going to the east or west, although, of course, those who had business to do in the City would prefer the London bridge terminus. Mr. F. Taylor, brother of Mr. William Taylor, of Wor cester Park, through which property the Epsom Branch was intended to passsaid,on this estatethere were several gunpow der mills, in the working of which five hundred tons of coal were used in a year. The formation of this railway would enable them to procure coals at a cheaper rate, and this was of great importance, as enabling them to keep the market in the competition with other mills which emmioyed the advantage of railways near to them. He confirmed the tes timony respecting the probable convenience of the branch, and the feelings of th e upper classes residing in the neigh bourhood.am:oar fro th m e r i r t r n a ess yl replied that the powder-mills Maldon. To Dir. BLEWITr mor stated th a t th ey now pa id Tohmalr. f were n 20s. to 2 1 e. p er t,n, and he conceived t hat they would save 4s. m 6 r d . . raatgoen, bayfabrinrinetiantgmtheermtnno,nnthhnererhaiwlwaradye and trustee . of the charity land, found chalk very beneficial in mixing with the soil. He got his chalk from the pits at Cheam, a distance of six or wen miles. The Wimbledon station would be near his land. At present one journey occupied the whole of the day, during which not more than t wo tons a day, as they co uld only Lendn d roat cart, co nsequence of the badness of th ein and the steepness of the ascent from the chalk p i ts. If this sort e manure could be procured with facility and cneapne u ss, hitewbae ife,-,7d it would be used in a tenfold greater dgrs fr RD its useful Doh for light and for heavy land , cool ing ee, the former in hot weather , A disintegrating the Latterom t enacity t„.,.. la wet amen& To Mr IMooax, the witness replied, that the railway would not prevent the necessity of drawing it part of the way, but he believed that the expense of putting it on the railwa:t would be trifling, and he expected that there was a deposit of chalk at Winibleton. The distance of Guildford was too great, being twenty- four miles off. There was chalk at Ewell, through which the railway was intended to pass, and from whence it could be brought, and might be delivered at 2s. 6d. a ton, while by the wear, tear, and expense of a team of three horses, with a man and a boy, the cost was 16s. for two tons. Mr. S. Bothwell, lessee of the celebrated lime-pits at Dorking, said he generally sent about 5,000 or 6,000 tons, but last year his business fell off to 3,500 tons, in con sequence of the facilities possessed by the Kent lime-pits through the neighbourhood of the railways. He got his coals by barge to Kingston, and then carted them to Dork ing, a distance of thirteen miles, an impediment which greatly limited the consumption of coals. This lime was used in the erection of the new Houses of Parliament, and it was a common covenant in building contracts to secure the . use of Dorking lime. The building going on at the west-en( of London was so extensive that he believed that hereafter fully two-thirds of the lime would be sent to the Nine Elms terminus for the buildings now going on at Battersea, Pimlico, and even beyond both those places on both sides of the river. If coals were brought to Epsom, of which from five thousand to six thousand tons were purchased by him every year, upon this quantity he expected to save ss. 6d. a ton. If he obtained these facilities he expected to consume 2,000 to 3,000 tons more to make at least 10,000 tons of lime. At present he believed that coal was scarce at Dorking, which for that article was the dearest place in England. For these reasons he preferred the branch of the South-Western Com pany. He had been present before the Committee in 1844. when many promises had been made by the Atmospheric Company ; but they had hitherto proved to be only promises. Te the CHAIRMAN and Lord Potaarterresr, Mr. Bothwell replied that coals at Dorking were about 355. a ton. A' present he bought his coals a ship load at a time and laid them in store at his wharfs at Kingston. It was now cus tomary to get coals down to Reigate b y the Brighton Rail way, where it was seven miles to Dorking, but the road was a bad one, while that from Epsom was a good one, although a little longer. Mr. Nelson, the architect of Charles- street, St. James's square, extensively engaged in the erection of houses in London, stated that, Wimbledon Park, which contained 700 acres bad been taken for building mansions and villas of the first class. The plans have been made and part of the build ings raised close to the Wimbledon station. In addition to this, in consequence ofthe extension of theSouth-Westernßail way to Richmond, the whole of that district had been opened for building purposes, and he calculated that 1,000 houses a year would be built in that suburb of the metropolis. For buildings, whether large or small, the use of good lime was requisite. Dorking lime was the best, but it was super seded at present, to .a very great extent, by the Northfleet lime, which was far inferior, but it was cheaper; and it was a common practice with builders to make the river lime of a darker colour, in order to imitate Dorking lime; and even where the contract specified that Dorking lime should be used, the lime from Northileet was often substituted. It was in every way advisable to use the best lime, as it rendered buildings stronger and more substantial. To Mr. MooRE, the witness replied that the gre y Medway lime, which was Is. to ls. 6d. per yard cheaper. The works for that line were established in consequence of the dearness of the Dorking lime, to which it was far inferior, although it had superseded it. To the CHAIRMAN, the witness replied, that from his know ledge of the geology of the district, he should say that there was no doubt whatever of opening.works to any extent in the Dorking hills. Upwards of 50,000 tons of lime were annu ally used in London, and as much more in the provinces, and Dorking lime could be supplied for it almost interminably. Mr. Pryor, chairman of the Coal mid Corn Committee of •the City of London, stated that he had an establishment at Newcastle as well as in London, from which he sent 80,000 to 100,000 tons of coal each year.f The South-Western Company already afforded great facilities at their wharfs at Niue Elms, where the frontage was 150 feet long, and it was about being largely increased. He, himself, deposited 12,000 tons in a year at those wharfs, and by the alteration they would be able to take the smaller classes of sea-going col hers up to the wharfs themselves, by which the expense of lighterage, and the disadvantage of the breakage of coals would be saved. They had already taken a vessel of ninety tons, and he believed that vessels of one hundred tons could be taken there. By the official papers he found that be tween last July and February there had been 354 vessels of 100 tons, and 541 between that rate and 150 tons, anu 575 between that rate and 200 tons which discharged their cargoes in London, and each of their vessels made, on an average, five voyages a year. In saving the lighterage, there was also another advantage gained, for a machine had been invented which was capable of raising 300 tons of coals in a day, and depositing them in the railway waggons, which saved the breakage 3d. a ton. The coalwhipper's chargewas 6d. a ton for discharging cargoes. The advantages, together are savings of 3d. for discharging, Bd. in lighterage, and 7d. for taking out of the lighters, and ls. 6d. for breakage, making altogether a saving of 3s. a ton in favour of the new system, at least 2s. Bd., so that the coal after it is placed in the railway waggons is absolutely cheaper than it is in the Pool. The wharf at Nine Elms is a public wharf, where no wharfage is ever charged. Immense quantities of sea-borne coal are daily transmitted to the interior of tht country, and when the South Western Railway was opened, at the reqnest of Sir John Easthope, Mr. Prior had consented to open the trade, and sent coal down the main line of the South Western Company, and the consequence was that from 355., the price of coals had fallen in that dis trict, to 28s. a ton. If this line were opened he could under take to deliver coal fit for lime burning and gunpowder mak ing at 15s. 10d. a ton at Epsom. At present the best house keeping coal was 14s. to 16s. a ton, so that it could be deli vered on an average at 17s. 10d. a ton at that place. Mr. Bothwell being recalled, said that it cost ss. a ton to cart coals from Epsom to Dorking, including one gate, so that they could get good coals in that neighbourhood at a little more than 235. a ton. Mr. Prior being further examined, said that he had heard of the Croydon plan for the last four years. He had sent coals down by the Croydon line from that place, and the ex penses were-Bd. lighterage to Coal Blow, near New Cross; sd. canal dues; towing I:Ad. ; wharfage 6d.; and rail charge 2s.—making a total cost of 4s. 4 3 / 4 d. a ton to Croy don, which was eight miles further, giving a further expense of ;‘d. per ton, which with the 6d. a ton for discharging the: cargo, would cost 6s. 2%d. to Epsom by the Croydon Rail way, giving a contrast of is. 90., the cost by the South- Western line,against 6s. 2%d.,and showing a gain in favourof the South-Western line of 4s. sd. ; or, including the coals, the difference appears by this line 17s. 10d. a ton for house hold coal against 225. 2d. by the other line. Taking al: things as they were, he should prefer the south- Western line for the facilities afforded to the trade, even ii the cost of the two lines were exactly equal. To Mr. MOORE—It appears that the charge for carriage to Croydon was only lid. a ton per mile. The 12,000 tons of coal which witness delivered at Nine Elms was for making coke for the Company. The small vessels would, of course, be fitted for going under the bridges, and he did not believe that there was practically any difference in the freightage of large vessels and small ones. He knew that several indivi duals were preparing to lower their masts and to go into the trade. Of course the machine of which he had spoken would be as useful in the Pool as at Nine Elms. In re-examination by Mr. HILDYARD, Q.C., Mr. Prior replied, that in consequence of having a less deep hold to fall into, and from there being a less weight to shake together on - the voyage, there was less breakage in small vessels than in large ones. _ _ _ To the CuAimaAN—The machine was tried at South ampton.. To Mr. BLEWITT and Lord POLLINGTON, Mr. Elliott, Q.C., stated that the charge of the South-Western Company for carrying coals was lid. for 15 miles, 2d. for 25 miles, anti lid. a ton for every greater distance. By the Act the toll only, and not the rate of carriage, was regulated. Mr. G. Stone, a coal merchant at Ewell, who supplies the chief families in Ewell, Epsom, and the neighbourhood, said that he obtained his coals by barge to Kingston, and thence by his own waggons. His g e n era l sa l e was 2,oootons a-year, and of course a reduction in the price would increase the consumption. His impression was that about 20,000 tons a year were consumed in the district. Mr. Waghorn, the owner of extensive clay potteries at Ewell, who exported largely, sends 2,000 to 3,000 tons of goods to Nine Elms in a year. Large gas-works are situated at that place, where a great quantity of his clay earth is used. He consumes from 2,000 to 3,000 tons of coals annually, all of which he brought from Vauxhall. He supplied other gas establishments, but the London gas-works took one• half of his clay earth, and the Waterloo-bridge terminus would be a convenience for supplying the City. Mr. Charles Hall, who sends 200 sacks of flour per week to London would, if this line were made, save 70 to 80 per cent. Of his carriage cost. Mr. Burn, an extensive ironmonger at Epsom, stated that he received 100 tons of hardware from London. After an observation from the CHAIRMAN, Mr. HILDYARD stated his object was to show that, as the London and Birmingham Company had bought the railway and the banks of the Thames, that the formation of this branch would save the expense and delay of such goods passing through London, a point which the testimony went to show. Mr. Lumley, of the Spread Eagle at Epsom, and chief posting-master of the town, testified that three times as much traffic came to the west-end of London as that which came to the City. . . At this point the CHAIRMAN intimated, that as it might possibly save time and expense, he thought it right to inti mate that there was no probability of the Committee coming to any other decision than that at which they had formerly arrived. From this, however, Mr. BLEwErr expressed his dissent, and the room was cleared. When the public was re-admitted, The CHAIRMAN said that he thought he had been stating the unanimous feeling of the Committee, but one of them had been out of the room; and they were, of course, ready to hear any evidence that might be adduced. After some conversation between the counsel, it was ulti mately agreed that the evidence should be continued, and the Committee then adjourned till to-morrow. GROUP XIX The Committee assembled at twelve o'clock this day; present, Lord Harry Vane (chairman), Earl of March, Hon, Francis Scott, Mr. D. Morris, Mr. Phillip Bennett. EXETER, Topsn.aivr, AND EXIVIOUTH. The examination of Mr. Samuda was resumed, ‘‘ ho under went a very rigid cross-examination and re-examination by the Learned Counsel on the part of the opponents of the Bill, as to the application of the atmospheric principle, on passing the canal near the River Exe. He gave a very descriptive account as to the manner it• was to be effected, but admitted that was the first trial of this principle under water; but nothing was elicited in the course of his evidence calculated to show the impracticability of its success in this instance. Mr. Turner, member of the Town Council and Alderman of Exeter, was in favour of the proposed line in preference to the Exeter and Exmouth, as he considered the latter line would be not only injurious and detrimental to property, but did not afford that facility and accommodation to the public as the ene now under consideration. John Challis, a fisherman, at Limiter, stated that great benefit would be conferred on the mercantile and the shipping interest, as it would afford safe shelter anti anchorage to vessels in time of distress, by the construction of the pro posed bridge and pier. Thomas Dunham, who also followed the occupation of a fisherman at Limiter, corroborated the opinion expressed by the former witness. James Foster, a mister, residing at Exmouth for the last 21 years, was in favour of the projected route, as it would not only increase andabenefit his business, but promote the in terests and prosperity generally of Exmouth. Mr. Vend, clerk, then handed in proofs relating to the assents and dissents. This closed the case on the part of the promoters of the Bill. The Committee then proceeded to consider a petition from Mrs. Mitchell. Mr. Rowe appeared on behalf of the petitioner. Witnesses were called in order to show the injury her pro perty would sustain consequent on the proposed line being carried out. me Committee then went into the consideration of the competing line, Mr. Cockburn and Air. Rowe appeared on the part of the promoters of the EXETER 11.2 . 412 EXMOUTH Mr. W. Kennedy, a magistrate and late mayor of Exeter, was an advocate and supporter of this line, stating his prin cipal objection to the other route was the impediment created on passing the canal. Mr. Gard, of Exeter, said the inhabitants of that city were in favour of the proposed scheme, but would prefer the one under consideration ; the other missing and likely to inter rupt the navigation of the canal. It being now four o'clock, the Committee adjourned until twelve o'clock to-morrow (Friday). GROUP XXI. LONDON AND OXFORD. The Committee re-assembled this morning at the usual hour, Mr. Finch in the chair. The promoters proceeded to call witnesses in support of their line. The first witness called by Mr. Hildyard was Mr. Thomas Treacher, who stated that he had resided in High Wycombe all his life, and that he was a chair manu facturer, coal-merchant, and small farmer. He said the price of coals during the last four years was 40s. per ton. The pour bought their coals in small quantities, and paid, in consequeuce, 2s. to 2s. 2d. more per ton. About 1,000 tons were annually consumed by the inhabitants. .The proprie• tors of paper-mills, of which there were a considerable num ber, bought their own coals, and not from the coal-merchants in the town. If the coals they used were cheapened, these manufactures would receive a great impetus. By the line or rather an extension of it towards the north, say to Ayles bury, a communication with the important coal districts of the north would be opened up. He had made a calculation as to the price of coals if they had the railway, and fouud that the coals which he was now selling at 355. might be sold for 275. or 28s. per ton. The reduction in price would greatly increase the consumption. A cheap communication with the north of England for chairs, of which a great num ber were manufactured in High Wycombe, and in the sur rounding districts, was required. About one-half of the chairs manufactured there were sent to the northern districts, to which they had no available water communication. If they had the railway, they could send chairs to Lon don at threepence less each than their transmission now cost. They had to send chairs intended for London to Tring, 19 miles from High Wycombe. The proposed branch of the Great Western to the town would not be of great advantage. [No point of any consequence was elicited in his cross-exa mination by Mr. Wells.] Mr. W. Charsley, a farmer at Wooburn, examined by Mr. Waal:EN—He grew, on the average, annually 120 ,quarters of wheat, 200 quarters of barley, and 100 quarters of oats, which he generally sent by waggon, at considerable expense, to the Uxbridge market. By the proposed railway he should be enabled to send his .corn to other markets, and to attend them himself—Oxford and London, for instance—and to compete more effectually with the great grog ers of corn. l'he branch of the Great Western, not being direct, would not be of much advantage. By the Criatam.ax—Had formed no estimate of the ex pense of conveying goods by the Oxford and London or by the branch of the Great Western, and along its course to London. He could send flour to London by the proposed line. Never uses the Bath coal. Mr. It. S. Cuming, of the firm of Cuming, Stoneham, and Co., drapers, grocers, &c., Wicornbe, received 700 tons of ;odds annually, the carriage of which cost about 8001. a-year. They received grocery mostly from London, and a great portion of the drapery from Manchester, but they ge nerally bought them in the London market. If there was a direct communication with Manchester they should buy the greater part of their goods there. No doubt, in that case, he should go to Manchester himself to purchase goods, as that would save the expense of agency, &c. The railway would be of great advantage to them in their business, as the carriage of their goods would be consequently reduced ; but he we! of opinion that the proposed branch of the Great Western would injure the trade of the town instead of benefit it, bocause the five coaches which now ran through the town would be reduced in number, not more than two trains would run each day, and the frequency of communica tion with London and Oxford consequently decreased. After the examination of several other witnesses, the Com mittee adjourned till to-morrow. GROUP XXV. The Select Committee appointed to consider the merits of the lines comprised in this group, re-assembled at the usual hour this morning in the Westminster Sessions House, the Hon. Mr. Lascelles in the chair. IiAZWICH AND EASTERn COUNTIES =NC lON. The examination of the merits of this scheme was re sumed. Mr. John Braithwaite, the engineer of the line, was examined at some length by Mr. Ogle, on behalf of several landholders, who complained the line would inflict kuore in jury on their property than the competing line. Mr. JAMES submitted to the Committee that all the cases were simply matter for compensation. The Committee concurrir;g in this opinion, the cross-exa mination was not persisted in. Mr. Braithwaitlie was then examined at some length. He said he had never heard, until he entered that Committee, of there being any trade between Ipswich and Harwich. His object had been to obtain the shortest line between Harwich and the metropolis; but if it n ere thought that the line ought to accommodate Ipswich, there would be no difficulty in having a fork at the point of junction with the Eastern Union, one branch pointing to Ipswich and the other to London. The distance from Ipswich to Harwich -was twenty miles by rail, while by the Orwell it was only nine miles, and there was a cheap steam-boat communication; passengers were carried, he believed, for sixpence a head. Caltain Richardson, one of the directors of the line, having been one of the deputation that waited upon the Board of Admiralty with reference to the two proposed lines, proved that the Admiralty preferred Mr. Braithwaite's line to Mr. Lock's, which ran along the coast. The matter was discussed in the presence of Captain Beaufort, who was decidedly in fa vour of Braithmaite's line. He had seen the Captain that morning, and asked him to attend before the Committee and give evidence in favour of the line, but the Admiralty were averse to his appearing before the Committee in the capacity of a witness. He could state, however, positively that the Admiralty had adopted their plan for the pier at Harwich, and rejected the Eastern Union plan. Mr. RODWELL objected to this evidence on behalf of the Eastern Union Company, because he should be in a position 'o show that the Admiralty had refused to receive a deputa tion from the Company he represented. Mr. JAMES thought this could hardly be possible. The CHAIRMAN asked if the Eastern Union Company had submitted any plan of a pier to the Admiralty ? Mr. RODWELL I epliea that they had sent Co ask the Admi ralty to allow a deputation to wait upon them with plans; but the Admiralty refused to receive it. Mr. JAMES said he held in his hand a copy of a plan which the Eastern Union Company submitted to the Admiralty, and which the Admiralty rejected. The CHAIRMAN submitted that if the Committee sanc tioned the Eastern Union line how, could it be carried out if the Admiralty opposed it? Mr. RODIVEL - 1, s . ald they were prepared to alter the plan ~ f their pier at Harm ich to n e .t the views of the Admiralty. Mr. JAMES said it was impossible for the Eastern Union Company to depart from their deposited plans and sections. 1 he CHAIRMAI+I—Then the case stands thus :—The Eastern Union Company say they have not been heard. Now if it should turn out, or if it can be proved, that their line was considered with the one now before us, and the latter was adopted by the Admiralty, we shall be inclined to attach importance to that opinion, although we are not bound by it or at all disposed to surrender our functions to that Board. Mr. JAMES said the Admiralty had an objection to their officer attending there in the capacity of a witness, and, therefore, they could not prove the opinion of the Board from official authority, but there was this paragraph in one of the reports of the Board of Trade, whi c h was pretty con clusive on the point :—" But when the circumstances of the Port of Harwich are taken into considera tion national interests become mixed up with and form important ingredients in the question, especially as such project contemplates the erection of a pier. A commu nication had, therefore, been made by this Board to the Lords of the Admiralty on the subject, and they have stated, that though they do not consider their objections to the Eastern Union scheme of such vital importance as to be at once fatal to it, they think Braithwaite's,is upon the whole, the most expedient, and the best for the public interests. Therefore, notwithstanding the Eastern Union scheme only requires eleven miles of new railway, we are of opinion that the state ment which we have received from the Admiralty is con clusive against it, and that on public grounds Braithwaite's Harwich Pier Railway is preferable to either of the others." Mr. TALBOT objected to the Committee assuming that - the Admiralty had decided against the Eastern Union line with out first consulting the officers of that board on the subject, and even supposing the board had, upon an ex parte state ment, decided against them, the Committee ought not to adopt this decisio3 as their own. The Committee objected to having any private communi cation with the Admiralty on the subject, and ultimately it was decided that a Speaker's order should be sent for Capt. Beaufort to attend and give evidence on the point. Captain RICITARDSON stated that he understood the objec tion of the Board of Admiralty to the coast line was, that in time of war it would 'be liable to attack from the enemy's vessels passing up the Orw, 11. Mr. H. Blanchard, a retired East India merchant, and the owner of a large estate in the neighbourhood of the lice, gave evidence of the local advantages of the scheme. Other ge neral evidence of this nature, showing that the majority of the inhabitants of the district preferred Mr. Braithwaite's li:.e to the coast line was adduced, after which a communication was put into the hands of the Chairman, who intimated that its contents informed him that as Captain Beaufort was the confidential adviser of the Admiralty, it would be utterly inconsistent with his office to appear before the Committee to give evidence in his official capacity, and therefore (added the Hon. Gentleman) they could only take it for granted that the Admiralty assented to Mr. Braith waite's line, but not to the one running along the coast. Mr. COCKBURN stated that the Conimissioners of Woods and Forests had been applied to for their opinion on the subject of the two lines, but they declined giving a preference to either line. This closed the case for the promoters. The Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock to morrow. TATTERSALL'S—THIS EVENING. Six o'CLocK. METROPOLITAN STAKES. 12 to 1 agst Auricula 15 to 1 agst Lyons 15 to 1 agst Peasant . 16 to 1 agst My Mary 16 to 1 agst Lord Saltoun CHESTER CUP. 12 to 1 ago Sweetmeat 20 to 1 agst Miss Burns 18 to 1 agst Clumsy 20 to 1 agst Best Bower 23 to 1 agat Hope 40 to 1 agst Arthur 40 to 1 agst Whinstone 40 to 1 agst Vitula 40 to 1 agst The Nlagnet 40 to 1 agst Corranna 50 to 1 agst 1 he Roper's Daughter DERBY. 13 to 1 apt Brocardo 30 to 1 agst Humdrum 40 to 1 agst Malcolm OAKS. 16 to 1 agst Vanish ROYAL COLLEGE OF SURGEONS OF ENGLAND.—The Hon. H. F. Berkeley, M.P., and Thomas Wakley, Esq., M.P., have just had an interview with Sir James Graham, when they presented a memorial, signed by 850 Fellows and Members of this College, praying the Crown to grant a sup plement:ll charter to the College of Surgeons. It is under stood that the President and Council have for some time past been in communication with the Right Hon. Baronet on the same subject, and it is generally expected that a fresh batch of Fellows will be made • in fact, all members of the College, of eight years *Lauding, not keeping shops, will obtain the honour, t FERIA L. PA RLI A 3.1 ENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships met at the usual hour. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. The Duke of RIC;IIMOND wished to ask the Noble Duke (Wellington) when he should move the adjourn ment of the House for the Easter holidays ? The Duke of WELLINGTON—I propose to move, on Tuesday, the 7th, that your Lordships should adjourn until Tuesday, the 27th of April. The Duke Of RICHMONIS said it would also be very convenient to their Lordships to know when it was likely the Corn-law Repeal Bill would be brought up from the House of Commons. He had thought it very probable that it would be brought up before the 27th. The Duke of WELLINGTON said, certainly not before the 27th of April. Lcrd BROUGHAM—The Noble Duke must be aware that it cannot be brought up before the 25th of April, because they were going into " Coercion" next week. The Duke of WELLINGTON said it would cer tainly not be brought up before the 25th. THE REGULATION OF CHARITIES. A RIGHT REV. PRELATE presented a petition against the second reading of this Bill, which stood fur to morrow. Messengers from the Commons brought up several Bills. TIDAL HARBOURS' COMMISSION. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH presented a report from this Commission. OUT PENSIONERS (GREENWICH.) On the motion of the Noble Earl, this Bill was read a second time. LINCOLNSHIRE JUNCTION RAILWAY. Lord STANLEY press ited a petition from a Gentle man named Stamford (as we understood) against this railway, on account of its separating his residence from his garden, stables, and other property, by a deep cut ting, and because there was a railway between the parts of the country, which it was proposed_ to accommodate. NORTH DEVON RAILWAY. Earl FORTESCUE presented a petition from certain owners and occupiers of land in the county of Devon, against the Exeter and Crediton Railway (as we under stood). The petioners complained that this scheme, if allowed to proceed, would interfere with better lines, and they prsyed to be heard against the Bill, The Noble Lord then proceeded to say that the tine which he appeared in favour of was one which he found could not come before this House in the present session owing to some engineering oversight or defect ; but if the Bill which opposed that line and which was now before their Lordships should pass this House, their they would, be passing a second best line for a best line, and the great evil would exist •of having two lines competing with each other, without doing the least good to themselves or to the country. He trusted therefore tlr4 of the North Devon line should not come before the House this year, they would suspend their judgment upon the present Bill, until they had heard the merits of this. MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS. A Messenger from the House of Cemmons appeared, praying the permission of their Lordships' House to Lord Malmesbury, to give evidence before a Committee of the House of Commons, to which their Lordships assented. THE CASE OF MR. PARKER. Lord BROUGHAM intimated that he postponed a motion which he had given notice (the purport of which did not reach the gallery) till after the Easter holidays. He also stated that shortly after the holidays he would bring under the consideration of the House the conduct of the Poor-law Commissioners towards Mr. Henry Walker Parker. IRISH POOR LAW AND FEVER BILL. The Earl of CLANCARTY, after presenting several petitions from lielaed, in favour of a reduction in poor law taxation and rates generally, said he wished to take that opportunity of petting a question to the Noble Earl (the Earl of St. Germans), of which he had given notice. It would be in the recollection of the House, that on Friday last a Bill for the providing temporary relief for Fever in Ireland passed that House. The standing orders were disp= nsed with in order to admit of its im mediate progress through all its stages. To that course he had no objection to make con sidering the object in view; why, be would observe, that had he been in the House on that occasion, instead of being unavoidably absent, be would have considered it his duty to have made some inquiry as to the circum stances under which the Bill was introduced. It ap peared as if. the Bill was to provide better provision for the poor who were attacked by fever. Now, in the poor-law of 1843, poor-law guardians were empowered to make provision, and it appeared by bringing forward the present Bill, that a new power was to be employed, as if the board' of guardians had not done their duty, in this respect—that a reflection was cast upon them. If this was to be understood the poor-law for Ireland might as well be repealed at once, and the power given by it to the wealthier classes of Ireland taken away. He was anxious to hear from her Majesty's Government whether in proposing the Bill which had lately been passed they bad been induced to do so from any neglect or indif ference on the part of the Board of Guardians? The Earl of ST. GERMANS had no hesitation in assuring hls Noble Friend, that the Government had had no intention of casting any reflection whatever on the boards of guardians throughout Ireland. His Noble Friend would observe, on referring to the provisions of the Fever Bill, that powers were given to the boards of guardians to give out-door relief to persons suffering from fever. They were empowered both to give medi cine and nutriment should it be required. The Earl of CLANCARTY expressed his satisfac tion at the answer of the Noble Earl. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented a peti tion from the grocers of the City of London, against the Act at present before their Lordships' liousa, entitled "an Act for the Administration of Charitable Trusts," and preying exemption from the operation of the said Act, in common with the universities mentioned in the 59th clause. They also prayed to be heard at the bar by counsel. Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition to the same effect from the Company of Cutlers. BELLERONION AND RODNEY. The Earl of HARDWICKE begged to call the at tention of their Lordships to a statement made two or three days ago by a Noble Lord, relrtive to the extra ordinary exertions which were made by officers and belonging to one of her Mjesty's ships down at Portsmouth. The Noble. Lord . did not uppear to know the whole of the case, and he should no: have alluded ro it without having fully informed himself of the matter. He had expatiated on the merits of the officers and men of one of the vessels which were fitted out on that occasion very deservedly, but he (the Earl of Hardwicke) thought that it would have been only fair in him to ha►e alluded to both ships which had been then equipped and made ready for sea. He merely tro-ntioned this, in order that the public might be aware that equal exertions ;and equal ability were evinced by the officers of both those ships. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH thought no mis take could exist on the subject, as it was generally known that the officers of both the ships were deserving of the greatest possible praise. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY considered that it was a very inconvenient practice for any Noble Lord to rise up in that House and to praise the exertions of any officer in the discharge of his public duties, because he considered such praise ought only to emanate from the First Lord of the Admiralty or the First Lord of the Treasury. It was well known that the Bellerophon and Rodney were fitted out of the crew of the Albion. If the practice was continued great difficulty could not fail to result, because an officer might be unduly praised by a Noble Lord to whom he was well known.—(Hear.) It was not the opinions of individuals which they re quired, but the opinions of those who had been placed by her Majesty at the head of the naval department. CONSOLIDA :'ED FUND BILL. A. • • This Bill was read a th ir d thi r d t i me . THE INSOLVENT DEBTORS (INDIA) BILL. This Bill was read a second time. PROTECTION. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from operatives in the Tower Hamlets, which was agreed to at a public meeting against free trade. They stated that they had suffered adversity, and had learned in a severe school—that they had been exposed to the in jurious effc3ts of grinding competition during the last twenty years, and, therefore, earnestly called on the House to throw out the measures proposed by her Majesty's Government, and to give to home industry that protection and security which it enjoyed in the olden time. He perfectly agreed in the prayer of the petition. IRISH NORTH MIDLAND, AND DUBLIN AND ENNISRILLEN RAILWAYS. The Earl of RODEN presented several petitions in favour of the Irish' North Midland LWlway. The Noble Earl also presented two petitions against the Dublin and Enniskillen Railway. LONDONDERRY AND ENNISKILLEN. The Earl of ABERDEEN presented a petition against the above railway • `.IHE GUANO TRADE. Lord STANLEY moved for the returns which had already been•laid before the other House of Parliament, namely, the number of vessels (with their tonnage) em ployed in the Guano trade during the last five years. — Agreed to. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. SECOND READINGS. The following Bills were read a second firm, and or dered to be committed, viz.:— Cornwall Railway. Scottish Midland Extension Railway. Glasgow Southern Terminal Railway. Surrey Iron Railway Company Dissolving. Shrewsbury, Wolverhampton, and South Staffordshire Junction, No. 2 (Coalbrookdale Branch). THIRD BEADING. The York New Waterworks Bill was read a third time and passed. SHREWSBURY, WOLVERHAMPTON, AND AND SOUTH STAFFORDSHIRE JUNCTION RAILWAY. On the motion that this Bill be read a second time, Mr. THORNELEY said he had no objection to offer to the second reading of the Bill, but he wished that a certain clause referring, under the Amalgamation Act, to the construction of bridges, should be assimilated to the provisions of that Act. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed. RAILWAY AMALGAMATION BILLS, Mr. WILSON PATTEN, sr brinaing up the Ninth Report of the Classification Committee, moved, "That no Amalgamation Bill mentioned in that report should bo allowed to be read a secon d ti me b e f oro May Ist. The motion was then agreed to. SURREY IRON RAILWAY. Mr. GREENE moved that the Surrey Iron Railway Company Dissolving Bill be read a second reading, according to the notice given at the Private Bill Office, notwithstanding the breviate was not laid on the table till Wednesday the 25th day of March. The motion was agreed to. TEN HOURS' BILL. Dr. BOWRING presented a petition signed by fifteen medical men of Bolton, in favour of a Ten Hours' Bill. GOVERNMENT MEASURES. Mr. NE WDEGATE presented several petitions from Hampshire and other places against the measures of the Government. POOR LAWS. Colonel ROLLESON presented a petition from Not tinghamshire, praying for an alteration in the present law of settlement ; also petitions against the measures of her Majesty's Government with reference to corn. _ Mr. GREENE presented a petition from the poor law guardians of Manchester, praying for an alteration in the law of settlement. Mr. WODEHOUSE presented four petitions .from Norfoik against the measures of the Government. IRISH POOR-LAW. - Mr. J. O'COiNhLL presented a petition from the Kilkenny union, setting forth that the present tax foil unequally on the community, and praying for a atore equal distribution of the tax. REPEAL OF THE UNION. The Hog. MEMBER also presented a petition from a place m Ireland in favour of the repeal of the Legisla tive Union. THE MILITIA. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition against the calling out of the militia. CORN LAWS. Mr. COBDEN presented a petitition from Southamp ton, in Lvour of the repeal of the corn-laws. SOUTH MIbLAND RAILWAY. Mr. TROTTER presented a petition against this railway. Mr. S. O'BRIEN also presented a petition in favour of the line, and one against it. NOTICES OF MOTION. THE CHELTENHAM POST-OFFICE. Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY gave notice, that on Tuesday next, the 31st of March, he sbould move for a copy of the order or orders by which the deputy-post master of Cheltenham was entitled to demand a penny extra on letters in certain respects delivered in that town. THE ORDERS OF THE DAY. Sir W. SOMERVILLE gave notice that on the ques tion being put for the first reading of the. Bill for the Protection of Life iu Ireland, he should move that the other orders of the day hare prt•cedence. THE LAW OF SETTLEMENT. Mr. SMITH O'.BRIEN wished to ask a question of the. Right Hon. Baronet the Home Secretary. He wished to know whether in the proposed Government measure, for giving a settlement to persons who had been employed for five years in any manufacturing town, that it was the intention to include Irish and Scotch poor. Sir J. GRAHAM said, the measure was intended to extend to all persons, without any distinction of country whatever. CORN-LAWS. Sir ROBERT PEEL presented a petition, signed by the Deputy Lieutenant, Commissioners of Supply, the Justices of the Peace, the clergy, freeholders, tenant farmers, and occupiers of land in the county of Aber deen. The petitioners stated, that having maturely con sidered the subject of the corn-laws, they had come to the conclusion that they operated prejudicial to their interests, and prayed the House to remove them front the statute book. Also a petition from the Town Council, Mayor, Aldermen, and Burgesses, of the town of Manchester, who stated that there was a great em barrassment in trade, inconsequence of the delay in the decision of the House upon the question of the corn laws, and prayed that the House would speedily pro nounce its judgment. Also a retitiun from Merchants and Manufacturers of Nottingham, also praying a speedy settlement of the corn-laws. COLONIAL TRADE. Mr. HUME wished to ask the ]light Honourable Gentleman at the herd of the Government, whether it was inteudsd to carry out the principles of free trade, as regarded the colonies, by amending certain existing Acts. Sir R. PEEL wished to know whether the Hon. Member's question had reference to sugar. ADJOURVMENT OF THE HOUSE. Sir R. PLEL, in answer to a question put to him the other day, by Mr. Hune, stated that it was his inten tion not to propose a longer recess at Easter than eleven days, and that he would not even, pledge himself to move so long an adjournment. Mr. MILNER GIBSON wished to know whether the Coercion Bid would take precedence of the orders of the day. On subsequent consideration he thought it would appear to the Right Hon. Baronet, that it would be desirable to proceed with the Coercion Bil l on Monday instead of the corn question. R. PEEL said that the course her Majesty's intended to pursue, and the reasons they had for adopt ing that course, would not be departed from in say par ticular. The Coercion Bill should be the only business to interpose between the consideration of the Corn Bill and other business. He proposed that the Bill should be read for the first time on Monday, and it was pro posed by her Majesty's Government that that should be the only business to interfere with the discussion of the corn- laws. SETTLEMENT OF THE POOR. Mr. BANKES rose to move for a select committee to inquire into the law of settlement and removal of the poor. It would he observed that the Right Hon. Ba.. ronet at the head of the head of the Government had introduced the measure as an accompanying one to that of the corn-law, and it was in that point of view that now, when the Corn-law Bill had approached the stage of second reading, he considered it right to direct the attention of the House to the measure, conceiving that both might be considered at the same time, with a view to their going to the Upper House at the ssioe moment.—(Hear.) There were other measures introduced as accompanying ones to the Corn Bill, but, in his opinion, they were of little importance, and there fore he was not prepared to take the same steps, in reference to them, as in the rase he then introduced to the notice of the !louse.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) It was far from his intention to charge the Right Hon. Baronet, or any other member of her Majesty's Govern ment with intentionally misleading the the public on this subject, but frem the recent statement of the Right Hon. Baronet they expected some thing different to .the measure which had been laid on the table of the House. No, ,he did not presume to make any such charge against the Right Honourable Bat onet or any other Member of the Government, or even to say that the public were right in the conclusion they had drawn, but cer- ainly the conclusion was very different from the measure which was now before the House. It would be by no means satisfactory, that the Corn law Bill should be passed and sent into the other House, before this Bill should be discussed, and understood, and put in point of progress, on an equal footing with the other. He was not prepared to say what might be right or what might be wrong. in the changes which it contemplated, but this he would say, that his own opi nion coincided with the general feeling, that a residence for a period of five years—(tlear, hear)—or even a shorter one of three years, should confer the right of settlement. The Bill was set down for a second reading on Monday next, and he was of opinion that it could not attain to such a progress ; and he, therefore, had a right to draw the attention of the House to the subject, in order that they Might understand precisely wh a t were the views of the Government with reference to the principle of the measure. The Bill might be divided into two parts, that which in volved the removal of the poor, and that which regulated the machinery by which its provisions were to he carried out. He was prepared to object to that portion of the measure, which conferred new power on the Poor-law Commissioners.—(Cheers.) To this he would give his decided opposition. The second portion had only reference to the machinery of the Bill, which would involve a considerable deal of discussion and might well. be postponed, but the principle of the Bill ought to be discussed, it was of the utmost importance, and could not be discussed too anxiously or too soon. But retaining that part of this important principle, they would in fact be accomplish ing the great advantage which was intended, namely, the benefit to the poor man himself, to the full extent of the proposition of the Right Hon. Baronet. That principle he conceived was, that in consequence of a residence of a smaller number of years—three years they should give a right of settlement as well as a right to relief. Now this comprised the whole subject of the question, and would be rectifying a great omission of the present poor-law. It was already granted that the residence of five years should not only entitle him to relief, but on the event of any inducement being held out to the poor man, so as to bribe him to go to a country district, should be visited by a penalty, and ho perfectly agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet that it was an hardship in the ex treme to induce any man who was suffering from misfortune and poverty to go to a country with which all connexion was lost, with which all his ties were broken, and with which he could have no rela tion whatever, or, in fact, any inducement to re turn there.—(Hear, bear.) This was one of the great difficulties created by the measure proposed, making this alteration in the law of allotment. He thought it was not wise or right, after, perhaps, a long residence in a mpnufacturing town, to induce any one to go into an agricultural district. He therefore hoped that After having obtained the benefit of the right to relief they should not deprive him of some sufficient right of settlement, for it was only, in fact, offering him an invi tation, at the best, to reside in the workhouse. for these reasons attested that the Government would not refuse to grant this modification of the law of settlement, while at the same time maintained all the position which they sought to obtain by their 'new Bill. He trusted that no member in the House wonld consider this question to be a party one, or that he had brought it forward for the purpose of a political - party. He be lieved he might say that he might calculate on the support of the majority of those even of the Opposition side of the House. The Government had stated that they were tensions to consider the question of the settlement of the poor, and he would ask, why had they not set about carrying out their desires. In many towns in this king dom there was an anxiety, and he must admit that it was a justifiable anxiety to have the question fully considered and settled. He believed that it would be much better settled by a Select Com mittee than a Committee of the whole House.— (Hear, hear.) He would be most anxious to learn from the Members of the Governm 1 t was that havingent why* the principles which they had professed to entertain on intothieffect s questionent ? they had vi st h o y pp it el w sh a o s rt in that, ca iii r a r y y i i n n g g the m sidered ae the Bight lion. Baronet did in that moo able statement; to which he • (Mr. Banker) had before alluded to, that the labourer had 'earned bi i rights, he hesitated to confer them up on hi m ? P e d wished also to ,know, that under the law as shadoee forth by its proposer, if an operative should go for a titne to seek his bread in the agricultural districts, and h e returned, the doors were shut against him in the manufacturing districts which he had left ?" (Cries of " Hear, hear.") They would tell him th en that he had no settlement, and that. he had.no right t ° return. They would tell him that ho had no right t il ° continue in the manufacturing towns in 1 6 h._i e , had he spent the best part of his Ott' ence, but if he chose to go into th e , agricultural districts in search of employment, mast take his chance ; that he had, in ac" become a gambling speculator in his industrf, and that he must now be -content without 0 1 s ,, rt of relief, breause he had the rashness to leave his usual place of labour. He returns, perhaps, after to ° or three months' ab.ence, and after all his exertions t ° get employment in other places, he was compelled to ssi; he had come back to that place where he had workea all his life, and where only he had a claim fc' r relief. It was for this reason he would move O f this select committee. A discussion for two or three days, at the most, would enable them to form f t , Bill, which wo u ld h e more acce p ta bl e t o t h e agr i cu lturs' i and other interests generally, than the measure propose': by her Majesty's Government. It was to give the e t , man something like a set tl emen t th a t h e wou ld moo i (4 a Committee, and he was sure that it was i n th e polo' of Parliament to do so, and to place this question at res t ' Mr. SPOONER seconded the motion. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, the House would beta with him while he made a few remarks upon the r sotion proposed by the Hon. Member who had just sat dowtti The Hun. Member bad alluded to the speech of his WO Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert Peel) upon this question. Now, he considered that the speech of the Right 10 11 ' Baronet was clear and perfectly intelligible. - (LY.FT SPVA-KING.) LAW L4TELLI6ENCE. ADMIRALTY COURT, March 25. TEE SARACEN. Dr. LUSHINGTO.N gave judgment in this case. It was , claim by the assignees of the bulk of the cargo of the s hk , Diligent, to share rateably in the proceeds of the sale of t o Severn, which vessel having caused damage to the oth er ' her owners had been held liable. it The Court, assisted by the Trinity Masters, had, ins ° by the owners of the Diligent and of part of her cargo, Prr it nounced against the ship, and had condemned her owners the costs. On the very day of that decision and decieees; appearance had been given fee the owners of the remahu'l bulk ot the cargo, who claimed to share in th e poceeds the sale of the ship—proceeds insu ffi cient t o mee t the d: mands of the first claimants; and the q ues ti on uo w Ws", whether, according to the law and practice of the Cour t „ a party who had obtained a eecree was bound to liquidsr the demands of another party, whose claim was of tb same nature as his own, net being a party to that deCl and commencing proceedings after that decree h a , been issued. With reference to the analogy of other COF lh ',., this claim was not dissimilar to the claims of credits.` c i against an executor, and the rule of law in that case, as doe n by Mr. Williams, in his book on Executors, seco nd e tion, was that the most active were entitled to the first c O , 11 : g deration of the Court, and those who first applied and u s , obtain, d judgment, were entitled to the liquidation of th a t claim before the liquidation of s ubsequent claimants. If, t a l ease were analogous to the present, the owners of the binki r the cargo must fail in their prayer; but was there any tinctiun between the two cases ? It had been said that 1 11 b l previous decree-of the Court, and on the security given o t the previous claimants, a right was reserved to subsedit e it parties having a similar claim to come in and receive I.° to share. The words used might extend to liens entitled lf priority, but certainly not that parties who had origius'ii made their claim and recovered their money should brink, back; and whether the parties* had actually received tur ic money or not, could not make any difference. There wa s or ground for this claim within the four corners of that Mi l t trent. The Court might perhaps call back the money, h9 s ,ii could not redistribute it. Equity could not compel 14- o t Court to do that which in an analogous case a eoul l o t equity would not do itself, and a court of equity would grant a similar claim in the case of creditors, to which s',; o sion had already been made. Besides, this Court was rst: o . a court of law than of equity. But what had been theP• o f tice of the Court There seemed to have been a *d i r t by understanding that such a claim would be admitteu,oe the court; but absolute proof of the practice was pe e fiery, a mere vague general understanding could " p o be relied on, and of the practice itself there as s o proof at all. ,But reference had been made to the ad 111., c. 159. By the 7th section, power was given to sno owners to file a bill in a court of equity, to compel,rT„ j. having similar claims to come in, and share a rateable totx bution; but this power was g i ven f ar th e b ene fit of 0" . owners, not for the benefit of co-claimants. Probably 4 Court might have exercised the equitable jurisdiction g l a d by the 15th section previous to the decree; but as [hello given by the Act was for the benefit and protection shipowners, the Court could not use it against them. Th s o ti section, too, saved the right to bring all actions in cell o s competent junsdiction, unless a bill of equity had. rt ed filed, and here no bill had been filed; and so the P who had arrested the ship stood in exactly the siiie position as before the statute. Why should he who was te gent be compelled to surrender the fruits of his diliges`: o o him who was less active? The decree of the Court pi t , new title, superior to that of the claimants previousl y ) issue. But it was said the present was a foreign s'i l oi• this, however, made no shade of distinction. There WS!,iso ther principle, nor analogy, nor practice, which compeit f ol Court to allow a party, who only appeared on the very nte a decree to a previous claimant, to share a rateable disLialf tion. But there had been another ground asserted on mo d, of the claim—au agreement between the parties. The t' of however, doubt-el its jurisdiction to regard or noticd.,te agreement between proctors not appeeri, gin acts of d Such private agreements were questions for a court of dal t t ie —not capable of being aCequately decided elsewhere. s° , is Court hesitated to enter at all into any such question; bt u ', the act of petition there was in this case a distinct denis; ) ,, any agreement—a denial supported by, and contradicted, ' , no affidavit. To the statements on either side the Court Pi o puted ne intentional error; but it was no part of its gut} decide upon this agreement. If it were proved, it bt o e authority to act upon it; and it certainly offered no Mu' it ment to the Court to alter its former decree, and to al to, in favour of parties who had awaited the previous doe of and had taken no chance of incurring costs in the orips question. The Court, therefore, resisted the prayer to iii dietaution, but, under the circumstances, not with O ME CONSTANTIA. • trig Dr. LusiiiNGTON also pronounced his judgment O f log case. He said that subsequently to the preparation of bp! of decision he had received a petition from the consign s bee° certain silver, which for the benefit of the vessel ha iy sold at Bahia. It had struck him that that was tu er o o o question of average, but as a distinct prayer had been to with regard to it, he would reserve that point, bat proT A or ,pronounce his decision on the question which reolli" - 1 0 0 0' consideration in this case, viz. ; whether the freigh t ,„ ee' was liable for the wages, pilotage, towage, and sirui' l .; t bs penses incurred by this ship. The parties interested ' A tb s present question were the consignees of the cargo, au" 0 0 holders of a bond, dated Apiil, 1845. That questili o bl° whether the freight and the ship, or freight alone, 1 ° 1 ; 1 0 1 1 for the expenses above-mentioned. This Peruvian ' s ea on a voyage from Lima to London, laden with gul ti sio silver, had met with bad weather, and had put into _ A Ot The master had sold the silver for the g'o t j the vessel, and subject to any future elsuis i s e e tion. The question relating to that silver f ia l , to be a question of average, not to be dealt pr in that Court. The produce of the silver, however, wr sufficient to meet the requirements of the s hip, ! n al . ; master granted two bottomry bonds, both d a t e d -r e- 1 1 7 one upon the ship, and the other upon the cargo aleu il i o ite .. , vessel had then put to sea, and had inet with a s 0; The master had then gi ven ano th er b on d upo n tb alone, and that bond was the one 'whose holders vier - 00f before the Court. This state of things was very l'stl' The Court scarcely remembered any similar case of ! to o, upon the cargo a l one . Th e general principle of lo o ` f or, was that, as the benefit was g i ven to t h e sh i p, the fie of the ship, in the first instance, and then of the la 1 :1 should be liable for money lent upon bottomrl. et ve Gratitudine, decided by Lord St owe ll, t h e s hi p , freige l ; il t cargo, were all made liable on the face of the bode ! I,: was admitted that the ship and freight were first lia,flecO. the Prince Regent, also, Lord Stowell had more at, se, decided that the ship and freight must first d' 1 1 , 1 ; limited before the cargo could be made availltht i edl freight was to be called in, though not mot the hoed, and be 'applied in satisfaction of tmw and this whether the bondholder required it or rlo t 1 34 was a right be'onging to the owners of the cargo; A , eds., principles thus laid down did not apply me rely t°. lo obJ4, upon a ship. If the bond were upo n th e freightq' would, under the same principle, be liable before l o t could be applied to the liquidation of the bond. her e circumstances in this case were particular. Here t' o itt a bond upon the cargo, the validity of which was „,,4, 0 1 The Court had therefore been compelled to ON"' ', o ,a favour of it, but that decision was ot course suhiec" o f to general principles of law as to the prior liabilit. v eos„, owners of the ship and frei g ht. There were here W e b , :Or —the two first upon one date (Feb. 27), O ne upon t • i) ,10 and the other upon the cargo—the thi r d (d a ted An f' ? 0 the ship alone. How were these bonds to be paid „d ,0 last bond was to be paid first, and as that h°7 0 , 0 ,,, upon the ship alone, the ship, in the first j e stet! to ts, liable. If any surplus were left, that surplus must f s ; 01, 1 satisfaction of two prior bonds. They were of t o et, date, and not entitled to priority. They mus t , 00 together. These two bonds were upon the ship an d To t or the freight not having been hypothecated at &l A ' t he s to satisfaction of these two bonds, first must be apeh e ',,,effigte plus of the proceeds of the ship--what then Acs moat the proper construction, the bond upon the carp cerc read as if it were p roceeds end upon the ship, freight , t If this were so, the p of the freight inuet nef i , a sLu r p l plied, and lastly, the cargo. But now calve the !, i ', a ges,4o question—front what funds were the wages, the the pilotage to be paid ? It was said out of the fr'!' e a 61 1 ; Court could not understand why. The ship ree e Yosie ll ,,,o benefit from such service, as did the owners of . oe r os s h r o d and there was no reason why the holders of '.ete h ° ,0e1,;,.• the ship alone should meet with any gieat f,avour. . O .et Po' taken the liability of the ship alone, w' a en they 111 ,itese.,0 demanded the liability of the ship and freight. a t fr e , l lo l penses, therefore, must be paid out of the ship s- s eodi eqaall, and the motion th a t the freight aloof liable for them rejected. BIRTILS , On the 21st inst., at Crammer-place, Waterloo -bridge. Parish, of a sou. ptptl 1, 00 PIED. d .r O th n e th la e te ls s t i h r i ll, n , s a t. l , lain at it ra i rls ,.. ,. e .J il iy l Ls e tr l e l e a ti or ltj a g s e e n o t i ' g 7 . o . h • iso _. n u s a F i . t lizabeth Nora, secon d ..." t CSIP- 10 Penelope, Oil the On the 21st inst., at Camberwell, Mary Ann, relict of "" _de . 21 s t fourth instdaughter tn of.o i ea thel Thomas George ingoll• w ed' or latehe I s s i t in l o u n st. m , i . n tt S u o i u , E th s - ci slu a a g r e e d , Gray's Inn, Thoma s ' $ 7. 0. A __,..,, TO if O Otin' l et the 21st inst., at Exeter, Captain Francis ?at ria -. vo. 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