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4,if,kii, l .lk :1.3).i.,:rE. Fl~tilt Y'S CoßkEsrisif-TDrNcE, STVZSTANE OF THE CoNCLIIpiNc; LETTi.3., t A letter trim Henry; NloNtreal, Jan. 31, 1 539; aP r t'sses his te3d'iness to serve the interest, ndl llat he is r.e.,dy to proceed on his uvss on. Say s' fiOni Henry, Motilre'al, Feb. 10, .'/ s . he has Excellency's inqrudionS, ...°l' sof credenc e , and cy,d for carrying on. hit. I=resp;;ndent e; he hal learnt it, though not porn- Prefely; 17 s A l etter, d ate d' B ur li ngton (Vermont), Feb. 15, , the peopl e there consider the embargo none ‘l3r3 wars"rYi operessive, an d unconstitutional in case ,the Gov ernor Atilt u.se his.influenbe to pre ve that State neutral. Mr. H. adds, '' if these c,:iolut,ons are Carried into. cffeet, the. State, of `,:rtriont may bit considered as an Ally of Britain‘;' A letter from WindOr (Vermont), Feb. 19, says, rr e i l d ,i'esnew learnt that the peopl e would be nearly into equal numbe rs , of whi c h one wou ld ou r Port tia e Government, it it could be done with e,t I nvolving the p eo pl e i n a c i v il war , b ut a t a ll to e e, lB , Ivould !'isk every thine in preference to a I . 44 d ' i t.in with ; G reat Britai n ; there is actnan fit to e t he lead C33e of civil commotion. 0 4 lett er from Amherst (N. H.) Feb. 23, says, he p i . a ° ,, n ) - ' ; ' - 's to . send- by private' conveyance, whenever 6. ‘ 7 ak l: ca hle, „be c a use democratic post - mast e rs w ill t ru tt seal as quick as their ward, and there is no t hero ; the Administration love pop . ularity, --ta in "" " do ariviirn - Itowev,r mean or ulijust, to i • 4 o 4 " ) , tt ; -he ..colds., about democracy. •- edT°slT°N, MAricti 5.—A large party - here attach oif:9l;'"'ee- The embargo b e thi n ks will h e tak e n th e ` l ''". 4 s op-intercourse Succeed., Speculations on g r ," lt ca'i .--Mr. Henry thinks, that should Con s 'are war - against Great Br i taln, th e Legisla tu;bene of 14- . l ssachus e tta wou ld deelare perma v( t ' i tivite a Congte.s. to be compesed• o f Dele que%:,r„4ll'6l 'he Federal States, "and erect a separate lt ieit , 4" p 'eot for their common defence ; but the d r „ wi vdetali s . i do not entertain an idea of with Ir ian ti t: , if it eat► d ossibly be avoided. The- corn th e f, °t.le boy, the constnu tion, though They hate tn n ~a-cl would riot repudiate the coustitn il.' :"'"gh .ey sutl e r j,,st now -unde r it, or un d er, ea -(1.11 istra l o b o f• NI AR - 9 a d 13.--Unimportant speculation., fp n 11, (47 - a noti-ititercourse take place. Not necessary, m • ' Britain to make concessions. tier 4 Alt " 2 9.--Nee Hampshire has elected a Fe t,ocGoveitier—C nnecticot need- no chaitge—ot as i t) , ll 'etitience who is Governor of Rhode ',Plod, s ttlilaeirei„lnY wishlte P a i d r e ,4 l: i t of 1 with; E,l Council. ttatlttit ,141 i c a The (, bony l how t ,, e aid of the NontnerdStates, the A 4 'fluseL of the whole union. for u PitiL 1 3.—The Northern States will do nothing t Oarn^ separation 4 p hi r • - I:he t 11. L w 6 .--Specula, ions on Erskine 's arrang e-1,5,--The re cen t changes that have occurred less a u aPprehensvris of war, and consequently t ot , all - hope of a separation of the S aces. Madi r from being friendly td G r eat Brita-n ; his ten: r w°lll '- 1 not support in any manly and genet -14, e 0 ; Policy toa a cis England. t hing s ' : s-- "He says, that in The .pres/ir state -of thus country, his prese, - ,ce can contribute t° the- interei:ts of Great Britain.. If Mr. ,; 4 " e 'a santlioned in ail he has conceded; it "i4.Cioi'' 14 rigi:,`"; . '":ieg to a tempt to carry into effect -the ii-;".Pfirposes of his mission. - teii; e W eary leaves Boston and goes to Montreal; lee i'-‘5 told by Ry and (Mr. Cr . tig's Secretery) that Moreno lung ,wanted there. At• Montreal he. gives t trs "Pilli ons and advice. -In one of %hind's Ikt :at 1 ,' 4 L 'hrs; lie says, " I am really out of spirits da{idea o f Ol d England_ trucking to such a eti "tLcl S 'MI accursed Government as that of the .-.4tes." fp t r ..""EsTr , / m complete ',' lete " 1 Ay WWII is p c ur ..• We have been (in the course of a few tle,:"Shed with two regiments'of Militia and a olt-T e ,. MAN: 2 --A person, of the name of James a cio , b-dresser, of alfron, near Hudclers wa3 - appreh en d e d at • Methley last Saturday °n i stisp!cion of h av i ng ' b een, c o n c e r ne d in the .4 ' "Pon Mr. Cart right's mill. This man, `ars to have received a wound from a It in his shoul4r without being able to isfae - lory cause of that would, has under ' examinations before Mr. Radcliffe, of and was on Thursday committed to On Thursday evening he passed • in a chaise'and fair, on his way to by 12 dragoons. A man of the 's Cockcroft, and' another of the • were apprehended at Hill-house, last Monlay evening, on sits licated in tbebffence with which 1. They 'have both undergone the latter of 'which Stocks was ft is remanded. to ob4erve, that the street 7, these few days removed at the streets in this town total darkness. We are for ceasing to light the 'se are not usual quite proper in gene , very ill-timed : we inces are exhausted ; 3t us public/ spirit .n the -public safety 'o the 'proper au ling the lamps to 's little delay as lning the burn , on the 24. th ny other fac e fate, and ersons were ed projeO, meetings lbtaiped, detach ,Ournal s seis -3 (to e'en • kjit-thitiL PARLIAMELVT, 1-10L4E OF PEE.R§. MONDAY, MAY 4. A • 60unsel was heard .respelling the Trish Appeal Cause, Lord Watt•rpark'Atistens, viz. the-6oli citor General as leading Coorisel for tl\it Apellant. The farther consideration of the case Was'adjotnned till Wednesday. The. Earl of SHANNOI presented a Petition from he Merchants, Traders, and Others, of the City and Port of Cork, agaifist the renewal of the East India Company's exclusive Privileges, Which was - orde(ed . to lie on the -table. IRISH TOBACCO DUTIES PILL _ On the question tbr the thiid reading of the Irish Tobacco D ties liegulati , n sill, soul,. discussion tOok place, in consequence of -the Earl of LAUDEg 'DATA enforcing his objedionS of 'a former evening ; to certain clauses and provisions of •the Bill. He contended, that the enaatnents to which be referred were unintelligible, and the words " to .the amount of the value of the, said Tobacco," were Car from being sufficiently clear and explicit; the measure weut.also i to introduce a novel principle in le islatioer, at least in - this put of the United Kingdom, inas much as it prescribed "the minimum of price. Upon the.vshole, he trusted their Lordships, on the yari ogg grounds which he advanced, would nut concur in the Bill. as it then stooj, as it defied intelligible explanation. The Noble Earl then proposed the adoption of certain amendments, tending to ob viate these objeaions oh which he laid so much stress. The Earl of. Rosss argued, that the Bill intro duced no novelty of legislativeregul,ftioni it went, in that respect, merely to a continuance of What had been the law for at' least tWenty-one years in Ire land. Neither were its Provisions cotYused or un intelligible, as they had beeit long aced upon it 4 that part of the Country, where from local circumstances, a very different system of regulation was neces•ary for the tobacco trade, from what pr&ailed in this part of the'United Kingdom. _lreland was so full of creeks and harbours. on that part of its coast, which was next tb Americ,a,.asafforded inconceiva ble faciliiies - `or the sreugOing of tobacco. Besides this consideration, tobacco in that country paid a duty'ot five 'Aries the value of the article itself, being subject to a duty of 2s. 2d. per pound. when the value was only five-pence. It was quite ditfeteut with respk:a . to tea, sugar, 'and various other corn modit es. A different system of checi: and preven tiin therilore necessary 'for that article, and ac cordm ly s.tch was provide • for and continued by the Bill now under consideration. Lord HOLLAND ex4;re4+e , l2 his . appreliension„ that be v. Inv fell tram the Noblc Earl, he should incur the imputati -fanswetaig that vt Lich he did not understand, particularly, that because there 'were creeks in Ireland; something peculiar, was 'neces sary in the pre:sent; Bill . The Noble Earl seemed to admit' that any Noble tord may make the Bill' clearer; but at the same time he ar ? ,tit.cl it was sufficiently clear and intelligible for it pur pose. ,EqUally extraordinary did he deem the argu ment, that; because the measure had srood 21 years, that it had come t(i years of discretion, that it *as n , , 19-4er under the tare and guardianship of Pat lia mew.. His Lor.tqlyip then - illustrated and enforced some of the learling objet-tions - of, his Noble Friend against the Bill. The Earl of ROSSLYN followed, and made.several objeCtions . in suppoit of v. hat had fallen from the Nt.thl, Lord at his side of the House aganst the Bill, anti especially contend.-cl lot the injurioul ten dency of the minimum, with respect td indivi duals pat ticularly circumstanced. The Earl of Ltvzaboot. said, that these provi 'Siang which were now ()Nested - to, were called for .by the eircumstances of the cave; they had never produced any practical inconvenience, nor were they ',ever complained 01 by individuals as such. With respea to the question Hof smuggling, particularly with respet to this article, there was no comparisOti whatever in the local circumstances of England and Ireland. " The E.lrls Of. RossE and - LWDERDALE spokere speetively ,in exPlanation alter which tlift cpes tioti wa. pat, and the Bill Was reed a third tune and passed; as was, without any discussion,, the Gold Coin Bill. / - • The Bills upon the table were_ respectively for warded. Among these the Place and Pension Duty Bill was read a ijird time atfti passed.. The Irish Di;illeties Bill was, returned from the Cornmons by Mr. LUSHINGTON : , Wiql the concur rence of that Hous6 - la, the amendments made by their Lordships. A few private and. local Bills were brought up from the Commons by Mr. ASHETON SMITH and other Memb€rs, ant read a first time.---. Adjourned till to=morrow._ ROUSE Off COMIIIO.2VS. , • MONDAY, INIAY 4. The second reading of the Scotch Distillation Bill was postponed to 'Friday. The Sandhurst Lands Bill was read a thifd time, and passed. The Report of the Irish Secorities,Bill was taken; Into farther consideration, and the Bill ordered iq be .read•a third time on Wednesday. A message from the Lords announced that their Lordships' had agreed to`the sold Coin Bill, and se veral Pi - ivate Bills. Mr. DICKENSON brought in a Bill to enable mix two Magistrates to Repair County Bridges, &c. without Grand Jury preserthnents. Read a firs', and oideted to be read a second time on Friday. The Scotch Customs Superannuation Bill was read a third time and passed., The Excise Superannuation' Bill went.through a Cotptnitiee, the I.l,poit of which was 'ordered to be recrived to-morrow. - "'The Plate Drawback 8,11 went through a Com mittee, the , Ileport of :which was : received, and ti►e' Bill ordert.d to be read a third time to morrow. Mr: H. Smrrillirought in a Bill to extent! the. Provlsions (); :he 36th of the King, And ot.tne Act Of the pieseui Session, resreding Bank Stock, the property of Infant Suitors, in Chant'ery, to all trans ferable Stock whatever. Read a first, and ordered to be read a second time on Thursday. !`• 11 .1 1' t 1-„he Parkbilrst Forest Mil V 133 react a thiril tirte and vas.sed., .Mr, tnEEVEY Said, that accoi . djo2,. to tie 37th of thy King, he understood .the Shrveyot'=Generril Woods, and Forqsts? -and Crown Landfl; 8'.45 di re;:tt-d to make a Report every third par, will:lb rot-1i ttlys atter the . meeting of Pailiament. This had. not been dobe according to the,AO: and he ! , ,hor;ld, therefore: now move thdt . such. a .Return be laid -beforeelhe House. ' , . . Mr. WHAaToN objeaed to tlie motion ; such a having never yet been made out. Being call-' ed for in the present instance, in the manner pro posed, would seem to cast an unmerited censure on the conduct of the present Surveyor. General, Lord Glenbervie. , Mr. Witfrl3REAn thought this the tnost ,singular - opposition and defence he had ever heard. It was strange that the Hon. Gentleman should contend, becathe the provisions of an Ad of Par-!iament Itever had been carried into 'effed, jhat they ought not now to be entiireed. Mr. WHAP,TviI said he had merely objeCted to the motion at this time, as it went to cant an un called for censure on Lord Glenbervie. Mr. WtirrnßEAD was glad the Hon. Gentleman had not meant it for a defence, as no for Mer ne gle6l could justify a negle& of duty on the part of the person ai present 4olding the sitUation held by the Noble Lord. . , Alter 'a few words from Mr.CLEEvEY, the motion was agreed to. Lord COCHRANE moved for a Return of lb? French Silk, Cambric, ',lee, and :other Manufac tures, imported within . the laSt tw6 months ; and also for, an Account / made up_.to the latest perial of. the Amount of such Manufaclures entered at the Custom-House, distinguishing those intended for exportation. Mr. Ross moved .as an Amendment, that the word (‘ silk" should be omitted; as he was '.con lident no such mar:Ill - AC:lure had been impoited:, short , conversation followed, in which Sir F. BURDETT, Mr. MEt.a.rsa, PEELIE, and Mr. BARING, partiC;p3l.td: Mr. !task withdrew his Amendment, and the motion Was carried with an addition, suggested by Sir J. NEWPORT, to distinguish the Manufattures entered at the "Custom-House for hothe.cotrsump lion, from those intended for exportation. Mr, WARD gave notice, that on' Friday he would move an Address to the Prince Regent, praying his Royal .Highness .to cause certain AccountS relating to the Expenditure of the Barrack Department, to be laid b4ore the [louse. Two Petitiovo were presented against the East India Moilopoly, Ordered 1 . 0 lie on the table. Mr. BitOuouAm presented a Petition from .the Manufacturers of Chorley; against Sinecure_Places, &c,—Qrdered to lie on the table. 01) the motion of Mr. 13E ± NNET, a Return of the Number of Persons enip!oAd" in -the Departments of the Commissary General Departmt:nt in Pia togal. w 4 ,1 ordered to be Did befote the House. • Lord COCHRANE moved for an Recount of the A Inoutlt ofali Seizures of French Silk, and other M•:inla9nres, made within the last .two months. . Ordered. On the (notion of Mr. BARING, Returns of the rr:ial Amount of Money raised for the_Public Service in the o.,ited Kingdom in each year, from 1801 to 1811, inclusive, distinguishing the sums raised, by Taxes from those raised by increasing the, Na tional Debt, were ordered to be laid before the House. The House then resolved itself into the Commit tee on the Orders it Council. A Mr. Messenger was examined. From his ex amination, it did not appear that he clearly- under stood the natu'e of the Orders in Council. He was direEted to withdraw; • Some discussion arose as to the propriety.of exa mining the witness fatther, Mr. C. Adams, Mr. Rose, Mr. Brougham, and Mr. Whitbread,-otfered a few observations 'ou the subjea. He .was. at length called in again on the motion of Mr. Mar-, 'ryas, who desired nothing better than that the”ie Who were against the Orders in Council; should have such witnesses to support their aignments. 'Mr, John Brown, Mr. William Pidgeon, ,and Mr. Joseph Webster were then severally examined. These witnesses were all from the town of Bir tnisham. In the course of the examination of Mt. Pidgeon; that Gentleman produced a lettcr, signed by the clerk of a respedable manufaelurer and merchant of that town, stating the decay of trade, and the consequent increase of his stock. Some discussion arose as to the Arnission of that .sot t of evidence; it being contended, that the best testi mony Ought to, be adduced, namely, • that of the manufacturer himself. The letter Was of course re jeCted. 'The House then resumed, upon which the Chair. % man reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again. After a few words. from Mr. Broughim, respetl: log Mr. 13rAid's intended .motion for Parliamentary Reform, wuich stood for to-morrow, we understood that Mr. Brand postponed his motion. SINECURE P LACES. Mr. BANKS Waving moved the further considera tion of tie Sinecure Place Me. WM. DUN DAS spoke at' some length against the measure, plincipally.wilfi 'a view to its o;iera-- Lion on certain 9frites in Scotland, which he-de scribed as remnants of the ancient Scottish Mo narc.hy, endeared io the feelings of the people, and secured to them by the at tides of union. He pro. tested against the present attempt as, a departure from the pledge given ;o Scotland, and an infringe ment of the character, the - faith, and the honour of the, English nation, -if it should pass into a law. The LORD ADOCATE of SCOTLAND expressed his conviction, that neither the Right ,Hon. .Gentleman; who had introduced the question, nor the House, were aware of the mischief which was likely to result from it. It was, in fact, an infringement - of the Articles of Union with Scotland ; but,, beSides thiS, the effect it must prodtice upon the landed rights of that country, by interfering with the office o) Pt - ivy Seal, was'serious to a great .degree. rite Bill would go to remove at once the great responsi ble officers, and substitute pe rsons of an infetior de scription, whose resp6nsibdity was not so great 3 the pjesent deputies would become the principles; and, call them by what name they pleased, titer could not afford the same security to the landed •I • . proptietorS. neat obje6lecl to the consolidation of the dices of Keeper of the Great Seal, and Lord Jus•ice General, as a thing ahsird in itself; the two departMents requiring to be execinrd at the same time and in, different places. Animadverting upon another provision of the Bill, he stated, that if the taxes of Excise' and Custotnp were .0' be collected by poisons of inferior • respectability in ScotlinJ 10 those who now colleeled them, the same regtilation should ,be extended to England ; the principl,. of Saving hundreds at the risk of thousands was equally applicable to all parts of the'Kingdom, if it eprld be recognized in any. Uilon the whole, he shOuld•give his decided negative to the Bill in every stage of its progress. Mr. LITTLETON, after• some general ohserva tions in vindication' of the' Scotch nition from the ° charre of 'being moreanxions, to profit '.)y abuse; Of, this kind than any tither, - entered into a defence of the Bill. He attributed the de6,he of the jest aLI• IhntitY and estimation of the aristocracy to the exist ence of such offices as this Bill was intended to abolish. jo alludinci to the office of Private, Secre tary to the Prince R ° egent,_lie Offered it as his opi nion, that if it should exist at all, it ought to have 'been given. to a person of higher rank than the in dividual who at present held it. If-ever 1,! ere was • a. time when -it . . , was important. to refuse such - a power to the Clown, it was under the presetit tem,ixhen every one heard and knew that the Prince was surrounded by favourites and minions. , : tie concluded with observing, that he would rat he,r be stow hundreds and thousands upon a Nelson or a Wellington than one farthing on the gamesteror a spendthrift. Mr: COURTENAY entered into a long train of ar guments., to spew ,that the meast t arc, though pie tended to be economical, Was in reality piolnk_e, and that the reducttOn of sinecures would be so far counterbalanced by the pensions 'created' iii their room, as to make the Bill as an expensive measure. . _ Lord A. HAmturotst supported .the Bill. It was futile to appoint Committees for the investigation of the public expenditure if the House refused to act on the reports of these Committees. At a period when the expenditure of .the, country amounted to no less a suaythan 100 millions annually, the House would lose its charader with the public - if it evinced any indtsposition to countenance retrenchment. — Parts of the Bill might be objeiitionablei but it was not too late to correct them. . Mr. *BASTARD . trusted that the vote of - that night would not . disappoint the expeciations which the country had been led to entertain. 7 Ler the House consider the state of the country; and the burdens to which the poor were exposed. Was the persant to see the lost torn from_ the mouth of his starving children, in order to pamper the luxury of the use less great ? The time was come for vigorous exer tion.: Ruin every where stared, us in the face, and we ()tight byeverypossibre economy, to break the violence of the coming storm. Although he thought that it would have been a better coutse had a sepa rate vote been first taken on, every-place named in the Bin, and had that place then been introduced into the Bill I yet-if Pavliament,' by not agreeing , to the Bilt, even ,as it stood, shewed,that they were - more . alive to .their own ioteresis; than to those' of the people, at large ; it would be difficult to predict the consequences. Mr. N. VAY,SITLART opposed the Bill, every branch crf which. he .contended would be inef,. ficacious. _ The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER decl , tred that his objection to the - M.l was a.g:3inst• the sweep ing psinciple .v ,which it contained.. Having'g yen to his Hououmle Friend an opportunity of perfeciios it in the Committee, he no Walser telt any hesita tion in declaring his decided opinion on 'the subject. le first stated his -objections to the details of the Bill•; and dwelt on the inconveniences which would result from the consolidation of Offices, instancing in particular those ofoLord JUstice GeOeral, andthe Great Seal in Scotland_ and in this country, the Auditor of the Exchequer, with the President of . the Council. In both these cases, the duties of the Great Seal in the one, and of the. Auditor of the Exchequer in the other, were io be petforrued by the present deputies, the salaries were to be abo- Itsbeel • ; and then came the 'monstrous proposition, that by transfers lug the .names of , those officers to . other high offices in the Siete,- these high offic,:rs were to be rendered responsible. for the discharge of choirs, over which they had no controul. He corn. , naeoited also on the consolidation of the offices of - . Clerk or the Pells, arid Kepers of the Privy ,Seal, the former of _which was sonietiares' a check oil the latter. .oihe? offices it was proposed by the. bill to abolish, which were heritable property. But that which Militated most strongly against :one of the principles on, which : his ',Honourable Friend professed - to procced, namely, that . vested in terests ought not to be toadied, was the, pta.vosed arrangement in the Court of King's Bench and in the'Court of Common — Pleas. If that . arrangement were agreed to by the LegiOature, it . would be • as direct a robbery. of the Chief Jus!ices of those Courts as could' possibly be conceived. So Much for the detail, in point of 'principle, he thought leis Hort. - Friend was complelcly mistaken in stating that the Crown oug , it constitutionally to have no,power to secure to its service, biy.the grant of certain offices, persons who might be useful • to the • State. If was . childish to say, that the interests or the Crown would , • be equally pro eaed by loavtog is in this power of the Crown to confer pensions on such individuals at the expiratien of five years: In many instances, such an alteration would dept ivy the Crown, or, in • ..Zither words, the country, of most valuable. ,ser% ices. of his OVVH • case he would not speak. . The country would have susiarh-d lo':s had he'bee.n .prevented frony-dw,pting himself, to its service. _Bat there 'might be cases in which the Crown, surrounded by an overweening aristocracy, cot Wined to prevept i ‘ t , from chusing its own Fielvants, might bedesirous of availing itself of the industry, talents, and public vir tue-of individuals, who could not answer it to the t - selves wholly to ab,1,06, the interests of thr:ir fami lies for the service of the public. Lot the House look at the number of offices to which the Bill ap plied, and then sty whether its passing might not materially affeet the interest of the Crown. He knew that the Gentlemen -opposite fancied the in flot-nce of the Crown to be enormoesly too great, , but be called on the House to consider whether that was the ta.at ; whether the influence of the, Crown was greater than what- was necessary to ma;ntana it ;gaiti;t the weight which increasing weAlth and