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carried on under the cirettrnstnnoos of a very mode rate fortune as a Gentleman, the honourable earn ings of his own services in the cause of his country. And I can say, without any ctmummication from him, but upon my own knowledge of.the case, that these rewards are no leis due as rewards for splendid achievements, or great and unparalleled exertions, than they are due even for defraying those unavnid -I,ble expellees to which I have alluded. It is to 'be considered not only as a debt, of honour, but a debt str.el national justice. Whatever difference - of , opinion may exist upon some parts of a subject, in some degree connected with that regularly before us, I hope all your Lordships will admit, and I feel confident that none can exist, when this provision is co: - :sidered in the view of its affording the means to the Noble Lord arid to his family, of duly sup porting these honours so deservedly conferred upon Lim." • The Noble Earl then moved a corresponding Ad dress to the Prince Regent, on the occasion of his Message, and assuring his Tiro al Highness, in ap prow lair. terms, of the cordial concurrence of thtir Lordships. • The Address was then read, and the question, pet,. Earl GROSVENOR rose, not, he said, for the pur pose of opoosmg the Noble Secretary of State's motion, but on the contrary, to endeavoor to per, suade their Lordships to agree to an extension of the proposed grant.—He was peifeeily satisfied, that upon all occasions of this - description, where high honours were conferred .upon individuals in the situation of the Noble Earl, for great and dis tinguished services, that the grants on such occa sions should be such As -would enable, not (rely the distinguished person himself to maintain his rank with ,corresponding dignity, but to transmit that rink to hid posterity in such a way as not to leave it in a state of dependence upon the Crown. Upon this principle, he NA as satisfied the giant did not go far eno . ogh.. This principle was one, which bethought always should be held, and it was one which on -sortie Cornier occasions was held desirable to estab— lish-. He adverted to the case of the great Duke of Marlborough -; he believed that none of their Lord ships ever % iewed the magnifiCent palace of Blen heim,. without being impressed with admiration at the conduCt which deserved sn splendid a reward. He would'nex' refer to anot her instance : the c rse of the late Lord Nelson— where a mode was adopted , to secere the ;rpportroned rewards to h's remote po sterity. This, however, he thought might be re garded as a middle casco() a contrasted one to which he should eresentlyrefer. He alluded to the situa tion of the Earl of Chatham, a distinguished mili tary char; ter, whose anxiety and exertions•in the service of•his country were • well known. He r&. Felted that were the highly deserved honours of tiod todesceng lb. posterity, the means of alequatcly supporting theM would not continue.— Lordship eroceeded to observe; that .whatever difference of opinion lie migh.t entertain as to the condud of the war in Spain, he never entertained any its to the great professional merits of the Noble Lord in queidion. He-thought the reward would Le more appropriate,. and more worthy of the con currence of the House, if it were accompanied by on additional grant, of fifty or a hundred thousand pounds. A liberal grant- of this kind,: or a proper i icrease oldie provision, would preserve the inten t ons of those well deserved •honourefrorn a state of future dependettee. Inadequate provisions were but a way to create a future undue influence over the aristocracy of the country. l f their Lordships would not agree to a proposition for increasing the proposed to 60001. he trusted they would not oppose a pro posal for increasing it to 40001. This was what he wished could now take place, but 'he was aware that in point of form it could not at present be regularly proposed. A future opportunity would arrive when the Bill should be brought forward in that House. There were, however, some words in the Address moved by the Notre Earl, which he could not suffer to pass unnoticed ,they were upon the subjeEt •of the war in .Spain, They were " honourable to the British aims, and eminently serviceable to the in terests of the country." To these he could not sub scribe. Even that splendid achievement, the cap ture of Citni;d Rodrigo, would not in his mind tend in any degree to furl tier the great object of the war. This was' his c, nvietion,. though it might be consi dered by some as a key to unlock the gates of Ma drid.• Ira his opinion, no great, general, or decided athomolge cO4l be obtained, without a vigorous and combined • eifart of all the 'forces of the Allied Poeers acting tOgrther. Without ,a principle of operation -in that way, toe expenses of the war were hot a•, , aste. of weaitto Whatever he may feel as 1. - ) the object of the Address, he could not:sill he tie, anion pass, without 'having so far ex= pro-sad his-sentiments as to *the - Manner in which the Mil' t a•; carried On in the Peninsula. Tt e (Festion was again put, When the Address was v,:tekl, nenz. diss. • It was thro ordwrcd to be presented to his Royal the Prince it•-gent, in the accustomed miner, and the House itutnediatcly adjourned till 10-al ro w. HOUSE OF COMMONS. THUR SD A Y, FEB. 20. Lord FcLKEs•roi4E, in the absence of his Ho nonrih;e Fiend, Creeve) postponed the !no tion respcciing the Four and a' halt per Cents to this day se'nnight.. Mr. CALCRAFT presented petitions from the ship conlkers, tsce. &c. of Woolwich, Drptford, Stivurness, and Ciiatharn, praying for exemption (ruin' the Income Tax, and stated intention ‘mnvipg thAt they should be taken into consi ct raticn when the Navy Estimates were brought forward. tIr..FaEmANTLE presented a petition from the s?me description oLpersons, in Portsmouth, on the sartiesnbjea. All Mc petitions were brought up, oicl , retl to he on the table. • Tl,e Exchequer Funding Bill was read a sc s, cond tune, and ordered to be committed to- Merrow. Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up the Report of the Conimittee on the Sugar Drawback lietS--- 7 .The Recolutions were agreed to, and the Bilis ordered accordingly. The Report of the Committee on Exririrg Laws be referre: to a Committee of the whole House tom morrow. Mr. ROSE gave notice, that he would 'move on Monday for leave to bring in a. Bill tor the betizr regulation of Parochial Registers. He also post portal the Pilotage Bill to Monday fortnight. ' Mr. BROUGAAM said, that he was requested by his Right Hon. Friend (S:r J. Newport), who was pre vented by illneiss front attending the Rouse, to move tie-sdcund-reading of the Irish Population BTII, if no objection was made to it. Mr. Rose stated that he had no 613j'e6lion. 'The Bill was then read a second time, and order ed to be committed on-Monday next., The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave no tice, that he would move to-ntorlow) lor all Address to his Royal Highness the Piinee Regent, for the erection of a monument to Gen. Craufurd. Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up the East Jail Ju dicature Lists. The names were read by the Clerk, and the Lists ordered to lie on the table. Sir T. TuaToN moved for an account of all sums paid for theservice of the army in . ;he Peninsula, including Portuguese and British troops, from April 1808, lo April 18 I i.—AgreeLl to. He then moved for srmilar accounts respeding the Nat y. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, there would be a difficulty in pioducing- such accounts 3 besides, the Hon. Barotielvfonld 'do well to retle4, that the same naval force would be employed ports of the coast of Spain 'were in possess.iOn of the French. Sir T. TuiToig said, it would be necessary to have the account.) of the Transport Service, at least ; he, therefore, - hoped that nu objection would be made to their ptoduaion. Mr. TIERN EY. observed, that at the period ofthe Walcheren Expedition, a Pal er was prestwed by the Treasuly, for the purpose of shewing how little that expedition had cost the Nation. • A similar do cument, he thought, might be produced in the pre sent instance. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Sa : d, he had no objection to any thing necessary to promote the Hon.,lltronet's object of inquiry into the 'ex pellees of the war, but he did not see why an in stance should be quoted, which did mot ;limit the slightest hearing on Chat ques , ion. In the Walche ren Expedition a number of ships was brought from other services, to be appLed to that, which made the calculation easy, but - in the present case DO such facility 'presented itself. If the Right Hon, Gentle man had any plait on that subject, he would do well to furnisn it in the shape of a motion ; and he (the Chancellor of the Exch( quer) would have no objection to agree to it. The country most be aware the war in the Peninsula was one of great expence, and lie had no wish to represent it in any oilicr light. The 11.;ght • tron. ..Gentleman had flung the Walcheren Expedition in with the present subject by a sort of circumlocutions for the pin pose of ascartaihing whit died they Would Produce together. Mr. TIERNEY said all he wanted was an estimate, such as was presented on the Walcheren expedition. Hedid nut see bow it could be more'ditAcult in one case titan in the ,other. He certainly could com prehend petfedly why the Right Hon. Gentleman should feel sore about the Walcheren expedition, but when his wars were mentioned, it was impossible not to associate that among the other instances of management. The motion as limited to the Transport Service was then agreed to. Sir T.Torrror; then moved for the whole amount of the funded and unfunded Dent of Great Britain, up to the Ist - February, 1812, and-the total amount of the. money raised up to the sth January, 1812, specifying the sums raised by taxes and by loans. — Ordered. A motion was made for an account of all the Copper imported into Great Britain in the years 180 -7 - 8-9-10 8-9-10 and I f.—Ordered. Mr. TlERtiii wished to know whether it was the Honourab i le Baronet's intention to postpone his motion on the State of the Nation froth Thursday next Sir THOMAS TURTON said, he saw no reason for such postponement, and therefore, unless Gentle- Men wished for greater. delay, he should make it on that day. Mr. BANKES gave notice, that he would make a motion on Tuesday next, respecting an unworthy Member of that House, Mr. WALSH. NOTTINGHAM FRAME-WORK BILL. Mr. Secretary RY DLit moved the Order of the Day for the third reading of the Nortinghao. Frame work Bal. After a short discussion, in ix hich Mr. Hutchin , son, Mr. Sinclair, Sir A. Pigott. and Mr. Ryder participated, the motion was agreed to, and the Was read a third time and passed. On the motion of Mr. P. MOORE, an account W 35 ordered to be laid before the House of the mo-' ney, arms, and stores, that have been sent to the Spanish Government by Great B-itain, from April, 1808,• to December, 1611. • MAII,B. FRIII 1 New-Volk, 1 litii)1111, 2 IVatetford. Du I , Malta, t Guernsey, t jersey, t brazils, i Dublin, • t Waterford. I'R/C1:. COCK'. THIS DAT AT TWFLVILO'CLOCK. Consols. - * - 6.11- 1 Red. Arm. - - 62 T E SU N. SoLEM QUIS DICiRE FALSUM AUDEA ? LOCAL MILITIA BILL. Mr. Secretary RYDER moved the second reading of the Local Militia Bill. Mr. .G.. VANSITTART objected to the clause by which the Widows and Children of the Local Mi litia were to be paid out of the PoOr Rates.only., Lord A. HAMILTON condemned the inconsistency which Parliament had exhibited With respect to bal lot; and stated a variety of objections to the 'mea. sure, which he said he would detailit greater length in the Committee. , Mr. 'WHITBREAD did 'not agree with the .Noble Lord in all his obje6tions but he reprubsted the the abandoriMent of 'that system of tiaibing the whole population to arms, which this Bill went to occlsion. • . Mr. Secretary RYDER contended, in answer to the Hon. Gentlemen, that the present measure was c:►l= culated to produce a mareetlicient force, a►►d to re lieve the country from great burdens and inconve nience: l'he saving to the state• would be at, least 10(1,0001. a-year. Mr. N. CA t.v ita• ltghly approved of the Bill. The motion was then agreed to. The Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed L 0 N D 0 IV, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 21, ISI2. We this' morning received American Papers to the 2,d inst. we have only time to make' the follow ing Ext ratis. • We understand that•the Bill permitting . the im portation of g00d3,• porchased . previous to Feb. 181 0, was not likely-to pa,s. TO TIIS SENATE AND HOUSE OF REFESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES. " I communicate to Congress a letter from the Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipoten tiary of Gteat Britain to, the Secretary of State, with the'ariswer of the latter. The continued evidence afforded in this correspondence of the hostile policy of the British Government against onr national rights, stpngt hens the considerations, tecommending .and urging the preparation of adequate means tar main taining them.. Washington, lan. 19, IS 12." cc JAMES MADISON. The letter from Mr. FOSTER is dated the 17th Dec. 1811. It complains of a statement in circula tion which tends to create unnecessary irtitation;and which he thinks it right to novice. " I find it Asserted in the statement referred to, that I have, in the name of my Government,' de inanded that the United States Government . should pass a law ,for the introdution of British goods _into the American ports; and also that the United States Shp('ld undeitak.e.to force Pune to . reCeive into her harbours British-md.nufaBures. " I beg permission, Sir, to declare, that neither of these demands have been made by me, and that my meaning must not have 'been understood, if such was conceived to have been it, import: could' not have demanded the passage iof such a law as above stated, because my Government does not pretend to interfere with the internal Government of a friendly power, nor do I mean to demand that America should force France to receive our tnanu filatures. " All I meant to say was, that the admission of French commerce, while that Of England has been excluded }rpm the United States' ports, was regarded by Great Britain as highly unfriendly in America, and that a continuation of such polity would be Tetali3ted upon by Great Britain with si milar restri6tions on her part,_ which was so far merely an offering of like for like. But while the American Non-importation A6t excludes British trade from the United States' ports, it must be re— collealed that it goes still farther, el/eludes also British armed ship's from American ports, while it admits those of the enemies-of Great Britain." In the 'continuation . of . his letter, . Mr. FOSTER . says, " We complain that America does. not resist the regulation of the Berlin and Milan Decrees, or objet to permi,tting the French to trade with her during the continuance of the prohibition against . the commerce of England, but this is not exa& ing, as has,been represented, that America should force British manufiEtures into Franee :: it is pursuing only a just course of retaliation on our enemy. .1C America wishes to trade with France; if French com merce is of importance to petl she should exalt of France to trade .with. her, as she ha's a right to ,demand . . in her quality of neurr,l ; but it she does not choose to exercise this right, all tAe that she shduld abstain from lending her assistance to the trade of France, and cot a:low 'her commerce to be a medium of undermining the resources of Great Britain. " 1 %t ill now, Sir, take the opportunity of stating. to you, that t have received frOm his Majesty's Secretary of State, the correspondence of which you did me the honour to transmit to me a copy in your letter dated 041obcr 17th. My Government have not been able. to see hi. it satislaoory proof of the repeal of the French decrees,• and doubt whether the trade carried on by licenses between France and America will not be regarded, event' here, as prbot of the continuation of them in• their-fullest extent, for if they were to any' extent repealed, to that ex-• tent .at least no license should be, necessary, a li cense being given to allow what, but for that license, would be prohibited. , The continued absi.nce hitherto of any instru ment by which, the repeal has been effeaed, is a , matter also of surp►ise, for if there were any fair dealing in the transaaion, no reason can be given by France for not producing it; it is verydesirable that it should be produced, if such an instrument be in ex r • istence, in order that we may know to what extent the decrees have been repealed, if they really have eitle§ hot aptit'tir to hAte beeti in poisejsion of it at the dme a his letter of lust fnly. ft is, indeed, become particularly / in.te:esting, that we should s , ie this instrument sin , ..e the publication of Mr. ItussF.t.L's correspondence with his own Govern- mcnt, by which it appears that really, and in. fact, the French Cloven - )Ment did not. release any Arne .ricsn ships-taken after November "until they had become acquainted with the President's Proclamaa tinn i a:td that vessels hive been taken so lat e as De cember 2!, in the diieci voyage from the country to London. Mr. MUNROE'S answer to. Mr. FOSTER is dated the 14th January. It is too long to be inserted irs our Paper of today. He says, in one part of But you still insist that the 'French DecreeS.are. unreioked, and urge; in proof of it, a faCt drawn from Mr. ItussELL's correspondences, that some American - vessels have beeo.taken since the first of Novetuber, in their route to England. It is a satis—, factory answer to this remark; that it appears by the same correspondence, that every American veisel, which had been taken in that trade, the seizure of itich rested on the Berlin and Milan deere . e s on y, were, as soon as that Oa was ascerialned, denvered up la. c heir owners." Mr. Mu N Itoz conclnde.s by saying : " On a fail view of c...ncinCt of tip:. British povrrnment in ;hese tralsattions, iinpossible. , o see in it airy thing 41ort of a spirit of detertninvd itostiii , ,y to thra I;gitts and inter6ts of t rle :States." A second trorn the '.Pre: dent, dated on the I7th January, carvains.a itttcr fro m Mr. TER, dated on the 2E(th December, Is tl, rerai:,ng to iris recollection, ' that so far from - split n, 4 01) the indi'an - fig - aliist the United States, Sit .1 NiNlliS CRAIG, the Governor of Canada, did comutoriott': to Mr. Moarart, for the purpose of its being corn inunicaled to the American 'Government, whicll Mr. MORIER did do, from the fermentation among the Indian tribes, he apprehended it to be their intention to make an attack on the United States. The answer to Mr. FOSTER is delayed to the 9 (11 January 1812. It merely states, that it is satisfac tory..to the President to know that no countenance was given to the Indians by the British Government. AMERICAN BUDGET. Mr. GALLATIN transmitted his Budget on the Loth January.—He recommends a roan of ten mil lions for the exigencies of the present year, and cal culates, that a like loan will be necessary for several years to come. As, however, be means to meet the extraordinary expenditures of the Government altogether by loans, it is obvious that the yearly loan must be much larger than the sum he mentions, 35 Ccingress have adopted measures, and .have others in comtemplation, which will create a yearly es.' pence, in addition to our ordinary expenditures, of somewhere between twenty and thirty On the supposition of a loan of ten millions, 11 4 / ,thus proceeds :—, x pences of Peace Establishment . Doi. 9,0c0.6 011 Interest on a loan of i 0,000,000 dollJrs, at 6 per cent. [but it may be borrowed at SJ Which iG thus to' be provided for Revpme on imposts and tonnage at the presant rate, additional dtity of too per. cent. Salt Tax, Sales of Public Lards, Dirc Tax on Lands , 21. d Slaves, Excise on Domestic dis tilled Spirits, ditto on Refined Sugar, ditto oii Licenses to Retailers, ditto on Sa'cs at A uoion, Tax on Carriages, and do. on Stamps Deduct vxpenco of collection . 750,000 Deficiency . . . . 6so,ccoo • 600,0 00 9,600,*?' 7 ° t ttcoo,fr... 1 , 4" ,°°. 9,6c0,0c0 futureln years the taxes are to be increased to t - nt the interest of the new loans, and in the mess.ta time the principal, or what •has been called the public debt, is to be suffeted to accumulttle. But as no provision is made in the Budget for the 25,000 regulars or 80,000 volunteers, 30 rail • lions more will be required, it is supposed, to pro' vide fur the new army. The Volunteer Bill for rais'ng 50,000 militia has been' passed. The debates iii Congress . come dowt) to the 24th ult. The House of Representatives were still engaged in the Navy Biel, and' much dif ference prevailed, Nyhether ten or two fli g Atefi should be built, with a view to a war with Esig. land !! SAVAI•INAIt, (GEORGIA) JAR. 3.—The, following Note was this morning received by the Collector Al our port,' (torn the French. Vice-Consul in this place " Savannah, fan'. 1, 18(2. The Vice-Consul of France, in Savannah, Mr. A. S. BLYLtocti, Collector of !he said Port of Savannah. " • S tit—From the odious. encroachment commit., tbd ii the city, on the flag and the subjects - of .his 1? • Imperial . Majesty, having preyed the nullity in which the French Conas4 is placed ; in. order, to fulfil his functi , ns and protect the French subjects,