The Sun. — London, England, 1846-06-24 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVIENING I JrNE 24 1846. ..1., Mr, HUME presented a petition from a percon of the name 41 Daniel Stour, complaining of his dismissal by the Board of Ordnance. The petitioner complained that he had been the cause of leading to the expceure of certain met-practice. , ar tied on by some of the officers, for which, he believed, thotigh another cause had been assigned, lie had been dismissed. Mr. HUME postponed his motion relating to the Raja of B attara till this day fortnight, and his yesolutiens with reference to sugar till the sugar duties came before .he House. WAYS AND MEANS. On the motion for the orc'er of the day for receiving the Port of the Committee on the Wa3 s and Means, Mr. cARDWF.LL (in answer to a quesion by en Hon. Member which did not reach the gallery) said that the only alteration which had been made in the Post-office communica tion from London to Dublin, was made at the time that the Grand Junction Railway was opened. The Post-office au thorities seized on the opportunity to secure a double communi cation to Dubts, and the effect of that arrangement vial to double the inconvenience, instead of convenience. Mr. HUME inquired whether any further information had been received from New South s'a'es with respect to the de falcations of Mr. Manning. He had asked last session for some information respecting the defalcations of that officer, and foe dispatch ought to have arrived by this time. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (as we Understood) said that information had been received, and the Money and the securities had been recovered. The report was then brought up and received. _ SUGAR DUTIES. Mr. B. ESCOTididnOt know what necessity there was for continuing the present duties for a month, because the pro pored Government measure would reduce the price 3s. 6d. Per cent. Mr. HUME had placed a notice en the paper, with reference to sugar duties, but as the Noble Lord the Member for the city of London had a notice upon the paper, he thought it better to postpone the case until the matter could come more fully before the H ome. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER made some remarks on the subject of the postponement, which were totally inaudible in the gallery. Mr. MOFFATT thought it a great hardship on those per tug who had taken large contracts that the present duty should continued r‘r a month. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that the reduction of the d uty to 3s. 6d. would be opening up the whole question. Mr. THORNELY said it was a most important tax, and he did hope the Government would take the opportunity of reduc ing the sugar in price: The resolution was thew put and agreed to, and leave was given to bring in the Bill. PAUPER LUNATIC BILL. Sir JOHN TROLLOPE wished to know whether it was the i ntenti on of the Government to carry into operation the provl li"s of ,he Bill. Sir JAMES GRAHAM replied that the opinion of the law ers on the provisions of the Pauper Lunatics Bill had been i Zen. arid it was considered necessary in consequence to bring au amended Bill. Mr. RECORD OFFICE. Pp , BULLER he moved that a Select Comm be ointed 7; consider t propriety of establishing ittee a General Record tdfice for England and Wales. The motion was seconded, and read from the Chair. After a few words from Mr. C. WYNN, the PROTHEROE thought nothing could be v.iser than ? object of the motion of his Hon. Friend, and he should 11111 ;ngly support it. It was highly des irable that a g ereral b „, ""ie office for the preserva tion and consultation of the records illottld be established. Mr. C. WYNN explained, and wished it to be generally tlttderstood that be had not the slightest wish to check the motion of his Hon. Friend, but it appeared to him that there ere two concurrent objects in the proposition, which could n ot conveniently be carried out together. Mr. HAWES hoped that the Right Hon. Gentleman would a g l ee with the general proposition for the record office, and ""at the motion of his Hon. Friend would slot be opposed. laice CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would give oconsent to the formation of the Committee proposed by the n. Member for Liskeard (Mr. Buller), but there would he afraid points for them to decide on, and he was very much :_7.:d that the result of the inquiry would not be attended ee wtth the effects anticipated by the Hon. Member. He sin ,Le4 hoped, however, that the Committee would point out "ule adequate means to accomplish the object of the motion. ._e After a few wor d s from Mr. Christie, Mr. Protheroa, and 14 Chancellor of the Exchequer, u"- C. BULLER wished to call the attention of the Right . ne Chancellor of the Exchequer to the necessity of can :Acting a public building sufficiently large to hold the future _tter eased number of reports, as well as the present large `l_!ritity. He thought that the public would be better Wits "red if a commission were appointed to arrange and select the ads, than if the inquiry were entrusted to a Committee of - nou se vi T he mt;tion was then put from the Chair, end agreed to "lout a division. MESSAGE PROM THE LORDS. N , ll l% .legaengers from the Lords brought up the following Bills, rteh their Lordships had agreed to :—Arbroath and Forfar ailway Bill; Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Pettycur • Per Hrbour and Deviations) Bill ; Great t o "laby th a Gas Bill ; Lei , h c P ay ing Bill ; Portsmouth Har , - Pier Bill ; Bromsgrove Improvement and Small cements Bill; Manchester and Birmingham Railway Caledonian and Dumbartonshire Junction Rail • Bill ; Great Grimsby and Sheffield Junctio n Rail (Humber Ferries) Bill ; Liverpool Improvement Bill ; gij i eastle-upon-Tyne Improvement Bill; Hamilton New Gas 112. without Amendment ; Alford -Valley Railway Bill; ;;;Itidee and Atbroath Railway (Extensions) Bill; Edinburgh d re g Northern Railway (Newport Railway and St. An t,W's Branch) Bill; Great North of Scotland (Eastern tii t iension) Bill; Lancashire and North Yorkshire Railway ; Liverpool, Manchester, and Newcastle - upon-Tyne . - ▪ 44 . a.._, et ion Railway Bill York and North IVAidland Railway s'us Extension) Bill ; Birkenhead, Lancashire, and no eshir e J unction R a il way Bill ; Great North of England and g n r "ghbridge Branch Railway Bill; Great North of England d 14e Bedale Branch Railway Bill, with an Amend ttlr Explosive Substances Bill ; -Liverpool Sanatory b tl 2 Midla n d R a il wa y ( Erewash Valley Extension) Bill; lit a l dee and Perth Railway Bill; Burnley Improveme t ;I:, Waterworks Bill ; Slamannan and Borrowstouness triway B i ll ; N or th St a ff or d s hi re R a il wa y (Ch urne t V a ll e y N n e) Bill ; Direct London and Portsmouth Railway Bill ; 2rth Western Railway Bill; Boston, Stamford . , and Bir "lgham Railway ( Stamford to Wisbech Line) BM • Paisley, and Greenock Railway ( Harb•iur Branch) Bill ; Northumberland Docks Bill ; Eastern Union Railway (Ard- I ligh to Colchester) Bill; Ry e and Derwent Drainage .l ls with Amendments. That they have passed. a hlel~, "An Act for making a railway from proposed intituled Sheffield and Lincolnshire Junction Railway to s" , city of Lincoln." Also, a Bill , intituled, ‘. An Act fur tarrying in o effect an agreement respecting the Estates o f th e : Corp orat i on o f the borough of Ludlow, and o ther ;,?, t h at es vested in the said Corporat i on in trust, 11 7 e r partly or in whole, for certain e aritable fur appropriating certain estates to the chttlity _ereinafter mi-ptioned, and declaring the trusts thereof, and for ' ll4ki ng Provision for payment of the debts of the said corpo ttti.oi, and other pu-p , :ses." Also, a Bill, intituled, "An Act the trust , tho Guvernors and Managers aupointed under e trust, di3psition, Lnd settlement of Rol,ert Philp, of 444denshead decea•eci, and to explain and extend the poises r id provisions con ained in the said deed." TRADING IN SEDUCTION. err. SPOONER then moved for leave to bring in a Bill for rnore effectual suppression of trading in seduction and P ro stitution, and for the better protection of females. 4 A ir. HUME saw no hope of such a Bill passing the House, 1 . s".hoSPuld o O ppose its introduction. be nt resumed, and said it would be then incum. upon him to make a statement to the Hou=e. The Bill ur l not his (Mr. Spooner's), but it emanated from the Society t he Protection of Females, of which society the Archbishops, It and several Noblemen and Gentlemen were tuhscr ibers. ‘", suggested by the Association that a Bill of the nature °lf that which he proposed , should be presented to the House by an independent Member of that tiouse. He had been "PPlied to to present the Bill by that Association, and should e ndeavour to promote their object. ~Art Alzatinta here moved that the House be count ed, - "( 4 1 there . not being forty Members present, the House ad %tied at a Quarter past Seven. HOUSE OF LORDS,.Thne 23. Their Lordshi met at ten minute s to Five o'clock. till Nlesseng ers from the House of C ommons brou g ht u p severs THE SEES OF ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR. A „ Noaca L OR D presented a petition from Lincoln a g ainst Loa union of those two sees, and praying for the immediate ap- Poiotment of a Bishop for Manchester. The Bishop of EXETER presented several petitions to the same effect. The Right Rev. Prelate also presented a pelt-. tion fr om th e mag istrates and ot her inhabitants of Wolver hampton, praying their Lordships to pass some measure which U M make it penal to carry on the trade of prostitution. H e was very glad to find that an Hen. Member of the other House of the L eg islature had given n otice ot his intention to bring in a Bill to the same effect. SOUTte DEVON RAILWAY. Lord DEVON presented several petitions against th:a Project. LORDS HARDINGE AND GOUGH. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE wished to know whit the intentions of her Majesty's Government were with res p ect to the A nnu ity Bills of Lords Hardinge and Gough. He thought that the time had come when the subj"ct should be, taken into Consideration. The Eail of RIPON said that, on Tees-'ay evening next, he should move that the report be brought up, and the intentions of the Government would be announced. OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE RAILWAI. Earl HARDWICKE presented a petition feorn A . lr. Frede rick Brown in favour of the Oxford and Cambride e Railway Bill ; and the petitioner requ!sted to withdraw the petition presented f rom him a few nights since against the line. 'flu Noble Earl Presented a petition from Aylesbury and other places in favour of the railway. A petition from Spilsby, in Lincolnshire, was presents:i against the Charitable Trusts Bill. SCOTTISH (RAILWAY) CONSOLV,ATIONS. Lord BROUG HAM p r e s ented a pe tition from Mr. H. fldie, so li c i tor f or one of the competing lines for connecting England with Scotland, stating that a notice had b,ten served , t i t him to deliver up the pap ers w hi c h had been eon u s ted to !I at in his capacity as solicitor, and for the possession of which ' he was r es p ons ibl e . He prayed, t h ere f ore that he mig'it he protected, an d not be convicted of a contempt of then . Lord. ships by withholding such papers. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that in his chae actor of solicitor, be was perfectly justified in within . ddi eg the papers. On the motion of Lora BROUGHAM, tne petition was re ferred !o the Committee. THE REV. SHOREXE TER AND THE BISHOP OF E . Lord BROUGHAM then presented a petition from the Rev. Mr. Shore, who had been for ten years in orders. After th a t time he was conscientiously convinced that it was his duty to leave the Church. Previously, however, , o his leaving the Church, he had been licensed to a certain chapel, which was afterwards e' dowel by the Duke of Somerset ; having ob tained that license from the Bishop of Exeter, under the autho rity of a certain incumbent, where he performed the service according to the rules of the Church of Eng and. After wards, however, the living under which he was licensed passed into other hands, and Mr. Shore wls de p rived of that license, but the chapel had then p q ssed out of co nnex i on with the Church of England. Mr. Shore, who had in the meantime been converted to the principles of the Protestant Dissenters, and under the impression that his connexion with th e Church had ceased, administered t h e S acrament, under the authority of the Te:eretieri Asst. Yet he bad, nevertheless, been dealt with in the spirituel court as if he were still under the cognizance of the eceles'astical law . Thispetition was from the Learned Sergeant who eendueted the ease for Mr. Shore, an, it complain• d that there was a defect in the law, which ought to be remedied. The Bishop of EXETER said that he must preface the few retearks which he had to offer to their Lordship , : with the statement that nothing could have been more fair sod straight forward, or lib era l, than the conduct of his Nt.ble and Learned Friend. The facts were these :—Previous to the endowment of the ch a p e l , h e h a d rece ived a communication from the Duke of Somerset, inquiring what was the smallest sum that would be necessary to endow the chapel. He had replied that 1,00.4. or 1,5001. would be a sufficient sum to justify him in centecrat- In c g the chapel though, of course, his Grace would not think of a ttaching so small a stipend to a chapel of that kind. The Noble Duke had departed from his engagements, from what 'vas ns were best known to himself, and he had no doubt they were ,atisfactory to his own mind At the time the applica tif,n was made to him he licensed Mr. Shore, when he found that that gentleman had received theleave of the incumbent; and their Lordships need not be informed what were the rights of incumbents or of patrons. One clergyman coul., not go into a parish and officiate there without the leave of the incumbent, and when the incumbent of the parish refused to grant leave to Mr. Shore. he did not feel himself at liberty to sanction his of f iciating. Mr. Shore then said he would officiate in spite of the refusal, and so he did. flo,temonstrated in the mildest manner, and called upon him by the oath which he had taken to pay obedience to the Church, but he had n..t chosen so to do. Lord BROUGHAM said that his object in commenting upon the matter at all was, to draw attention to the defective state of the law, with the view to have it amended. Theophilus Lindsay, who had been twenty-five years a rector in the English Church, and who afterwards became an Unitarian, minister, and founded the Essex-street Chapel, had never been proceeded against ; neither was Dr. Lardner, nor any of those who had recently left the Church and become Roman Catholics, the Hon. and Rev. Mr. Spencer, Mr. Faber, and Mr. Newman. He thought, therefore, that their Lordships should pause before they turned a deaf ear to the comelaints of petitioner. The Bishop of EXETER explained that Mr. Shore was a Dissenter from the discipline, not from the doctrine of the Church of England, and thus, repudiating the authority of the diocesan, still continued the service of the Church of England. He stood in a very different position to those gentlemen who had seceded from the Church of England for that of Rome. Mr. Shore might have escaped this prosecution if he had cons sented to deposition but this, by his counsel, he had expressly refused to do. The only relief the House could afford was - that from costs, and if this gentleman still continued obstinate, he could not conceive tharthis was the right way to obtain the re lief which he sought. Lord BROVG HAM said that he could cite the venerable authority of Lord Stowell for stating that when once invested with the character, a priest could never be deposed, but could only be suspended. The Bishop of EXEHER could cite an equally high autho rity', namely, that of Lord Stowell himselt, in the case of some one against Stone, in which the decision had been, that after the sentence of the Ecclesiastical Court, the Bishop could pronounce the additional sentence, and depose an offender from the ministry. The Bishop o: LONDON thought that an interminable confu sion wou!d arise if a party, after years ofsturly and prayer, were to be permitted at once to act in contravention of the oath which he had deliberately taken, and resume the civil position which he had forfeited when he - entered into - holy orders. - The proper course to adopt under such circumstances would be the deposi tion from the tnnistry, - but"eare should be taken not to confound deprivation with deposition. • After to few words from` Lord CAMPBELL, - CASE OF THE BEV. ROBERT KYLE. The Earl of RODEN pre,erited a pbtition from the inha biqtas of Donnybrook, near Dublin, complaining of the dis missal of the Rev. Robert Kyle from his ministerial duties by the Archbishop of Dublin. The complaint of the petitioners was so earnest, that he thought it his duty to acquaint the Right Rev. Prelate with the contents of that petition He could not but think it most harsh to deprive this gentleman of the office which he had so long filled with great credit, for no other fault than joining the Evangelical Society. The petitioners prayed their Lordships to take 'such steps as will prevent a mi nister being deprived by his dioce.an of his living, without it could be shown that he was guilty of- heresy, immorality, or impiety. The Archbishop- of ARMAGH hoped their Lordships would suspend their judgment till he had an opportunity of writing to the Archbishop of Dublin respecting' the complaint of the peti tioners. The Archbishop of Dublin stated that he should hare been manifestly guilty of a dereliction of duty if he had not acted in the way he did, however respectable the petitioner might be. The Right Rev. Prelate here read a communica tion from the Right Rev. Prelate justifying the course he had taken. It was in substance to the effect that the 'Rev. Mr. Kyle had acted in opposition to the discipline of the Church, and adopted a course which he (the Archbishop of Dublin) did not approve of ; hence, in virtue of the authority vested inhim, he had caused the petitioner to be removed. He acted in the matter with the best wishes for the interests and prosperity of the Church. He could not, with a safe conscience, have given his consent to the movement which was going forward, and in which the Rev. Gentleman took an active part' Such were the sentiments of the Right Rev. Prelate, which he had now placed before the House. The Earl of GALLOWAY entirely agreed with the senti ments of the Noble Earl who had introduced the petition, and if the allegations of the petition were true, he must conclude that the conduct of the Archbishop of Dublin had been most reprehensible. The subject of evangelical alliance was one in which there was great difference of opinion among the best friends of the Chun h. If these attempts at union were to be put down, it would lead to very serious results. In a free country like thi', such attempts toput down freedom of opinion should not be encouraged.—(Elear, hear.) Lord REDESDALE should be sorry if the House should be of opinion that the Right Rev. Prelate had not acted pro perly in the matter. He, for one, thought, that the Right Rev. Prelate had acted with great discretion, and ought to be supported in such a course. It was said, that with regard to all essential points of doctrine, there was no difference between the members. of this evangelical alliance ; hitt to that he re plied, that many of these parties were avowedly against an es tablished chnrch. -It was not prudent for young members of the Church of. England to be allied with them. There was in many respects a greater similarity betweep the Church of Eng land and the Church of Rome than between the former and many Dissenters, yet would not the Bishops have a right to in terfere if the clergy of the Church Of England united for reli gious purposes with.the priests of the Church of Rome. Lord RODEN denied the statement that the doctrines of the Churth of Eugland and the . Protestant Dissenters differed more: than those of that Church and the Church of Rome. After a few words from the Duke of LEINSTER, in vin dication of the conduct of the Archbishop of Dublin, and from several other Noble Lords, the sebject dropped. CU - S fOM S' IRS BILL. The House thee resolved itself into Committee on this Bill. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY proceeded to read the schedule attached to the Bill. On the articles butter and cheese being read, The Earl of HARDWICKE moved that they be struck out. He moved this as an act of justice to many of the poorer classes. Butter and cheese were agricultural produce, raised in - inany — instauces by peribitif — tioanng snYan -- prors ur land, and by the removal of the duty they would suffer se verely. This was especially the case in Ireland, where very many depended—if not altogether—at least in a great measure on the production of these articles.—(Hear, hear) By the course they were taking they would not lose a great deal of revenue, but those poor people would be made to suffer very much. In 1844, the duty or, butter was 186,6662. ; in 1845, it was 247,6041. 'Yet this amount of duty they were about to sacrifice. They were also proposing to give up the duty on cheese, which in 1844, was 117,272!. ; and in 1845, 141,8181. The effects would be very mischievous, and therefore he would propose that they be struck out. The Earl of DALHOUSIE said the only object in all the reouctions in the tariff was to supply the poorer classes with a full supply of the necessaries of life. He believed the price of butter and cheese would be reduced to the consumers, but not re such an extent as to prove seriously injurious to the home producer, while the price would be reduced, and thus a go-d t e effected in as far as the poorer classes were concerned He thought the importation would take place when . the home market would be effected in the least degree He considered - that a duty of 20s. per cent. was too much to be levied on an article of so great a consumption as butter, and of so much importance to the lower classes, and therefore proposed to re duce the amount of 'duty to ten shillings per cent. Lord STANLEY considered that either the Noble Earl was right or he was not.. This reduction in duty would either re duce the price of butter or it would keep up the price, and the revenue would lose the amount they now received tor that ar ticle, which would have the effect of placing 127,000/. a year in the pockets of foreigners; and would not bestow a propor tionate benefit cn the classes at home. Earl DALHOL SlE—The Noble Earl who spoke before, and to whose statements he alluded, said the reduction in duty would not affect the price of the article to the amount of one farthing per cwt. Earl STAN HOPE—It was a farthing a pound. Earl DAL HOU lE—The difference is of no importance. If however, there was not a reduction of prices, it could not be considered a matter of blame to the Government, for they had endeavoured to dose by proposing this reduction of duty. After a few words from Lord STANLEY, their Lordships divided, when there appeared— For the omission of the words 33 Against it Majority —l7 On our re-admission into the gallery, we found The Duke of RICHMOND on his legs, speaking against the proposed alteration in the item of hops. He considered that the proposed alterations would materially affect the interests of the home grower. The reason why great quantities of hops had not been introduced into the country yet, was that it required three years to produce a Rood crop; the home produce also had to pay the heavy excise' duty of 17s. 9d., which the foreigner would not have to pay; it would therefore be placing them in unjust and unfair competition. The average produce of 'hops in Austria was 42,090 per acre, while it had been proved that the cost of cultivation was 25/. per acre. Now the coat of cul tivation in this country was 421. per acre, and he wanted to know how the. British producer could compete with the foreigner under such circumstances as these ?—( Hear, hear.) In Kent there wera 250,000 acres of land devoted to the growing of hops, and the capital which had been invested in the cultivation amounted to two millions sterling. Every year an additional sum, amounting to upwards of 900,0001., was invested in this land, and he believed 230,0 01. was for labour aLne. Now he wanted to know, with these facts staring them in the face, how they could justly re duce the duty imposed on foreign hops for the protection of the British produce. ( Hear, hear. ) The Earl of DALHOUSIE said they could net rely upon such data as that given them by the Noble Duke, and he would there:ore pass over some of the Noble Duke's statement:, and come to the real question at once. Now, the nearest point from whence hop3couldbe brought tothis country was Belgium, and they could not be imported trom that country under six per cen t. When they arrived in England they would have to pay excise duties to the extent of 60 per cent. more than the Britisb producer. Surely this would be an ample protection to tie hop interest of this country.—( Heer, . hear.) At all events he was convinced they could not with any fairness carry pretec ion fur ther than 60 per cent.—( Hear, hear.) - The Earl of WICKLOW said Government, in carrying cut the fry e- trade principles, ought to repeal the malt -tax. It ae peared to hint that they wished to abolish every other day Lord ASHBURTON and Lord Cot- Af:er a few t but this. CHES TER, Vi ho we re o pp osed to the change, -(Hearo,r, d hear. ) v from was a very pre sTA N 1-1() P E said ' h"Cgr f "ing to be well protected. ore beard of Trade had re marked The Noble Earl the President of the . , while it carious Earl trade, and it ought, there s enough,s in titres of sveuid enable Ergland to obtain forelgosnp that 60 per cent. was protection scarcity.— ( Hear, hear.) that the hop trade of Kent was a perfect juggle, and that I thr T re he yp E a arra : Why, grower never made any profit unless the crop failed him once in ab out to keep up prices.—( Hear, hear.) o l t rn i ! t e i e p d o a N f o i b li s t e re n o , :c i e s in . three , years was brought that the Noble Earl had ad duced a most ex • traordinary theory as an argument against the proposed change. theory was, it applied t e The Duke of RICHMOND to almost every trade in the country. said, extraordinary though the Government were now people cheap with theithougia bread, and all the pro tectionists cry of give the yeop:e that they had given the malt-tax.—(laser.dill red ) tectionists could do now was, to get up ~ ith re h t i l from the cheap beer with it. and repeal the bL. hear.) He this, He Earl FITZ WILLIAM sa p id o , m a ts lt , h_o t, u tgreed Noble Duke on many of his pointy, he that the malt-tax ought to be abolished.—(Hear, h quite agreed with his Noble Frend that no greater advantage cowl I be conferred upon the people of this country than a re peal of the duties upon malt, and .f their Lordships would per mit him to say so, he contended that no greater boon could be conferred upon the landed interest. The nseesere which they were no diseessiog, although it was teehnica,ly called the tariff, was, in fact, t he question of the repeal of the duty on corn.— (No, no.) All these matters were merely subsidiary and contributory to that great question. Very possibly the Government could not have introduced the one without intro ducing the other. Ile Was sure his Noble Friend would agree with him that the question which they were then discussine was, whether they should allow foreign corn to be imported into this country free of duty, and ha contended, that if they were to have free trade in corn, they ought to have free trade in beer, that necessaryarticle of domestic use; and that it ought to be imported into a man's house free from the inspection or interference of he exciAeman. _ . Lord ASHBURTON said the Noble Earl who had just sat' down, had said that this was but the part of that one great, question, the repeal of the duty on the importation of foreign corn. It was certainly a part of the great question, " Shall we protect our native industry ?"—Hear, hear.) In that respect then, he agreed that this question was part of the question of free trade. The question for their consideration was whether they should protect the cultivation of their own land—whether their home industry should be protected as far as the cultivation of hops. After that, they would go into the question of shoes, boots, and all the different articles of home manufacture . The question, as it had been laid before their Lordships by the Noble Earl opposite, and those who held the same opinions was whether the manu tacturers, &e., of icreign countries should be preferred to the labouting population of our own country. In that respect he agreed with the Noble Earl, that it was one question only, and that was, what they called free-trade. _ _ _ _ The Earl of RADNOR, said, that the cultivation of hops was avoe edly a gambling speculation. A very extensive hop-grower in the county of Kent had told him so about two years ago ; and he knew that it was the opinion amongst hop growers elsewhere, that that business was entirely a gambling speculation. In one year a man might realise by his hops several hundred pounds, and in the next year be might be a:most ruined. And, with respect to the wages paid to the labouring classes in the hop-growing counties, to cot Id assure their Lordships, that so low were the wages paid to them, that they were in the most abject state of pauperism before the carrying out of the late Act fix the amendment of the poor-laws. The wages in those parts of the country were, on the average, less than those paid in any other part of the kingdom. Earl STAN HOPE admitted that the duties on malt ought to be repealed, but be contended, at the same time, that the people of this country, from one extremity to the other, were of opinion that the Government ought at once to repeal the duties also on tea, coffee, soap, and all such necessary articles of do mestic consumption. _ The article was then agreed to without a division. On the article lace being read, Earl STAN HOPE rose for the purpose of giving his decided objection to the reduction of the duty upon its importation, be lieving, as he did, that of the articles in the tariff this was un doubtedly the one on which the duty should not be repealed. The reduction of the duty on the article of lace would inter fere moat uejustly with the poorer portion of the labouring classes of this country, and more especially those resident in the county of Buckingham. Into whatever cottage their Lord ships might enter in that county, they would, find that the wives and children of the labouring classes were engaged in the manufacture of lace.' And what would be the consequences if their Lordships consented to repeal the duty on this article? The labouring classes of the people of Devonshire were largely employed in the manufacture, of lace. The wages at present were as low as six shillings per week, and yet, low as that re muneration was, the Government proposed to deprive the poor people of it. In Buckinghamshire the wages per week allowed to a woman and one or two children, at present, amounted to twelve shillings, and on that remuneration the labouring classes in that part of the country chiefly depended for their liviihood. The proposal of her Majesty's Government, how ever, was that those poor people should be deprived of their present remnant of protection. If there was one article more than another on which the duty should not be repealed he con tended that that article was lace.—( Hear, hear.) He felt strongly upon this point, and he was determined to take the sense of the House upon the question. The Duke of RICHMOND—His Noble Friend had said most truly, that of all other articles included in the tariff, that of lace was pre-eminently the one on which the duty should not, for the protection of the interests of the labouring people of Buckinghamshire, &c., be repealed. At the present moment the wives of the labouring classes of that part of the country were employed in their own cottages in the manufacture of lace, and their children were instructed by them in everything pertaining to industry and morality.—( Hear, hear.) Those habits of industry enabled the families at present to purchase all the necessaries of life. Lace was an article of luxury, and not necessary far any one. But what would be the effect of this proposed repeal of the duty thereon on the children of these eartiee ? They would be deprived of educe ti It, clothing, and the comforts of life, which they now en joyed. But, of course, his Noble Friend was prepared to obey the orders of his bishap—Sir Robert Peel—( laughter)—in everything, and it could not be expected that he would be per suaded to withdraw his consent from any measures of the Pre mier. He (the Duke of Richmond) should have the greatest satisfaction of voting with his Noble Friend. The E?rl of DALHOUSIE said that it would have been more appropriate, perhaps, if the Noble Duke had termed Sir Robert Peel his (the Earl of Dalhousie's) moderator instead of bishop, as he happened to be a Presbyterian. But he denied that he fell , wed Sir Robert Peel in anything that did not appear to him ( the'Earl of Dalhousie) to be just and reason al,le.—( Hear, hear.) Those engaged in the manufacture of lace would not, in his opinion, be injured in the least by the passing of this measure. Lord STANLEY looked upon this measure not as one cal culated, in the opinion of her Majesty's Government, to benefit the people of this country, but merely as a measure to fill the coffers of the revenue. That had been the effect of the measure of 1642, and he had no doubt that this 1301 was 'drought forward with the expectation that similar results wool I follow the passing of this measure. He did hope that the 'Muse would not consent to the proposed reduction. They were dealing with a matter which, if it might be one of indifference to the revenue, was not so by any means to the parties concerned, who were women and chil dren. And he would ask the House to' deal in the same manner with this article as they had done with regard - to made-up goods. Earl D ALHOUSIE hoped that the House would adopt the suggestion of the Noble Lord, and deal with lace as they had done with made-up goods, and that would be by not agreeing to the amendment proposed, but by imposing a rate of ten per cent. ad va'orem. In his opinion Mr. Deacon Hume never went so far' as to assert that 25 per cent; could give them the same amount of protection as 20 per cent. Lord STANLEY—Mr. Deacon Hume says that merchants and traders will be willing to pay the 25 per cent, sooner than run the risk of paying 20 to die smuggler, and that the revenue will not suffer at the 25 per cent.—( Hear,hear.) Earl FITZWILLIAM said that Mr. Deacon Hume never said that the same per centaec of - duty would secure them in every article. He was sure that Mr. Deacon Hume never said 'That -such .roat•i tro .ho cirvce witl, ragas-,1 to bra. —(llrar, hear.) It might be so with regard to some bulky article, such as corn, but not in that of a lighter texture, such as that which they were at present discussing. He was very much connected with a country where the lace trade existed, and he considered that there was no employment less conducive to the moral cul ture of the young than this very manufacture. The trade was not carried on in the houses of fathers and mothers; but in manufact ,, ries, and it also unfitted the'women employed in it ' for any other kind of work. The Earl of GALLOWAY said it was a grieVance in this country that parents were too apt to employ their children in such occupations as the lace manufactures from motives of cu pidity, and that at a time when those children should be at school. He was aware of• many who, from being thus early employed; were totally ignorant of every other subject, and were not even capable of mending their own clothes.—(Hear, hear.) He would therefore support the reduction. After a few words from Earl Stanhope, the Duke of Rich mond, and the Earl of Galloway, Strangers were ordered to withdraw. On our re-admission we fe,uud that the clause had been agreed to without any division. Earl STANHOPE rose to object to the reduction of two. pence per square yard on stained paper. Lord ASHBURTON said that these reductions were the mere pedantry of political economy. He would oppose the reduction on the ground that it would reduce the wages of the operative. The Eail of DALHOUSIE did not dispute that certain masters might take advantage of the reduction to diminish wages, but he denied that suit's would be the case with the paper stainers of the country generally. The item was then agreed to. SILK. On the reduction on silk being proposed, The Duke of RICHMOND regretted that their Lordships did not accede to the motion he made last night, that they should hear counsel at the bar relative to the effect of this re duction. He thought that the course then pursued was inju dieioue. He would ask why counsel was not heard? Was there a fear entertained that the case would be too strong for them to resist ? He would ask what were the operatives to do when the reduction took place ? The Earl of GALLOWAY—Give them cheap provisions. Duke of RICH MOND—The Noble Earl said "give them cheap provisions ;" but if they had no employment and no wages, where would be the benefit of cheap provisions ? The Earl of GALLOWAY—If all kinds of provisions were accessible to the working °lasses, in proportion to their means to purchase them, would .the Noble Duke think- that no be nefi, ?—( Hear. ) Duke of RICHMOND—That was the fallacy of all recent proselytes to the principles of free trade. He would now briefly refer to the petition, and he regretted that he was so it beforehand. The petitioners stated that a. great mistake employed during the morning that he had not t i m e t o p eruse had been made with regard to the protection of. 15 per cent. They also stated the argument as to smuggling was either sheer folly or intentional de'usion.—( Hear, hear.) The gross annual value of silk goods manufactured in this country at present was from two to three millions less than in 1824 —( Herr.) He would detain their Lord ships no further upon the subject, but he thought when a large class of the humble classes of this country asked to be heard against a reduction which affected their interests they ought to have been heard. He thought that when another Government came into office, they would be obliged for the sake of the revenue, to put on some of tho,e duties which it was now pro posed to take cif. He would in conclusion move that the item cn silk be omitted. After a few werds in explanation from the Earl of GAL LOWAY and the Duke of BUCCLEUCH, The Earl of DAL .iOUSIE regretted that he felt himself called ui.on last night to oppose the motion of the Noble Duke, but his reason for doing so was because he considered it would be establishing a precedent which on future occasions would materially interfer with public busines. He did nut think, however, that petitioners suffered any loss from counsel on their behalf not having been heard at the bar, as the case had been ably advocated by the Noble Duke on the cross-benches. He would now refer to the duties on the article of silk. The mode of levying the duties on this article was a matter of extreme difficulty, arising from the varieties, and the very delicate differences which prevailed in the manufactured aiticles. It was impossible to levy a duty ad vat)? cm, for in that case it must have been necessary to have examined the separate parcels, so great was the variety. But that would have in solved a loss of time to the officers employed and to those interested in the manufacture ; and much snore this practice would have proved destructive to articles of so very delicate manufacture as some of them were. If, however, the) levied the duty not ad valorem, but according to the weight of the article, that would have raised the objections so common in interfering with commercial transactions, that they would be raising the highest duty on the heaviest article, although that article would generally be found theworst. It had been attempted on that account to make a classification, and to give the parties concerned the option of a duty ad valo rem, or according to weight. Since the year 1824 (the year in which a great"change was made in this trade), it was silks eeen ma therefore found l had been up ; A new classif ication on tables un and unequal. A the exis tin g classification was become exceetlingl r ibbons were placed by themselves, sa tins and descriptions of fabrics, whether plain or figured. The different cent. on the average value. When he stated was fixed at lb her imposed on the average value, he was that the duty had been Imp separate articles was ascertained, and the duty articles must be of a higher value, and t , must be 'somewhat less than 15 that therefore the duty ont, , CM some of them of a lower and on the. other hand that per cent., higher rate of duty than the 15 value must necessarily pay aarticles the merchant per cent. But on the whole of cant. These re will find that he has to pay a duty of pe r ant. ribbons. In consequence of representations made t.) v a a „l e e ot. :hattse:nee of these art Marks applied to broad clks, satins, and silk goo the departments with which h e ( Earl Dalhousie) was conn ected, by "I manufaeturers o f Co.entry and .the Member for the p lace, these parties had b een put in communication with the p ro p er officers of the departm en t . And classifications an d modifica tions that D the o a u r s g i u e' m s) enrjahsotev for er ably had been made, w hi c h h e understood were quite satisfac toryiieairtng )t counsel parties. nsei a t t His h e (Fart was, not conducted, and the examination of an array of witnesses would not have led their Lordships one bit nearer the point which recopied their attention. The duties, he said, must be fixed by the usual, the experienced officers, put in .comrztunication with those men practically - engaged in the trade, and versed in its details ; and, accordingly, the present classifications and cal culations fJr fixing the duties hat been left to the officers and these parties. The duty fixed was 15s. per cwt. on the average value. If, however, the question before the House had been the general duty, he must remind them that that question bad been before the House. and they had given their deliberate opi nion 'on it—an opinion contained in this Bill, and that was that 15 per cent should be levied on the average value. He would now come to the second point in the petition, the past exrerience of the petitioners, that the legis lation for the last twenty years had produced an alteration in their trade, by giving, an advantage to the foreign manufac turer, and thereby bringing ruin upon the home trade. It would be in the recollection of their Lordships, that the language used by the petitioners .Was the same as that, made use of by those wilt, opposed the progress of these measures, both in that House and in the other. These were in the habit of saying that the effect of these measures would be, that the trade would be destroyed, the capital would be withdrawn, and the trade would entirely go down. How were they to determine this question? If the silk trade had failed, if the capital had withdrawn from it, if the silk mills had been stopped, if the imports of the raw material had diminished, if the number of those employed in it had decreased; if all these had taken place, the , worst fears and prophecies of these parties had proved true. But if the opposite of these had occurred—( Hear, hear)—if the imports of the raw • material had increased, if the 'manu factures for the home market had augmented, if the exports had increased, then these statements about the ruinious effects of this course were false.—(Hear,, hear. ),, He would show that it was so from the. returns Which had bei,ri. on their Lordships' table, from the period since the conclusion of the war up to 1844. Lie must observe that the raw ma terial was divided into three descriptions, the raw material properly so called ; the waste, the knubs and husks ; and the thrown silk. ( The Noble Earl was about to quote from the re turns when he • was interrupted by a remark across the table from Earl Stanhope.) The Noble Earl said he would attend to the points which had been alluded to. It had been said that in the returns on their Lordships' table the waste, knubs, and husks and,the thrown sink had been combined in the amount given for . the raw material. But he begiWroobserveihat if by means of science they could now manufacture articles from that waste as good as they were able to manufacture in former years, he saw no reason why the waste should be excluded from the returns..: But, in giving his quotation, he would take no account of the waste, knobs, and husks, or the thrown silk. The importations of the raw material for the ten years, from 1814 to 1823, amounted to 15,200,0001b5. In the re turns for the yeirs 1826, 1827, 1828, 1829, an account , of the waste, knobs, and husks had been included. but he would make every reason able allowance—such a deduction a% must _ _ satisfy the - Noble Earl (StanhOPe). He would take the amount given in these for the year preceding, and for that which followed those he had mentioned, and making his cal. culation on such data, deduct accordingly. For the ten years, then, from 1824 to 1833, he found the gross amount given for raw material imported, waste being included, was 32,916,000 lbs. ; and making the deduction for waste and thrown silk, there would be left 31,551,000 lbs. In 1824, the great change was made, which re moved entirely the prohibition on foreign manufactures. The increase for the next ten years was annually 1,521,000 lbs.i in the next year 3,500,000 lbs., then 3,742,000 lbs., and from that it increased to 4,310,000 lbs., so - that while in ten years it had so increased, could their Lerdships, with that fact staring them in the faCe—could they, he repeated, believe the allega tion in the petition that the reduction in the duty had caused ruin to the silk trade by the introduction of the foreign import, when this great increase of the raw material had followed that reduction. In. the year 1845, there was an in crease of the import of the raw material amounting to 200 per cent. over that of the import prior to the reduction of the duty. Such, then, had bean the increase of the raw material as compared to the trade previously to 1824. Indeed, for two hundred years prior to that year there was not a system of high protection, but a moderate duty. With the increase of the import of the raw material, the Noble Lord had failed to prove that the reduction had been injurious to the trade. It wag well known that the price_ of the article silk was a great restriction on the general use of the material. The reduction of the duty enabled 'the great mass of the people to wear silk dresses.-("No," from Lord Stanley.) The Noble Lord would surely. admit that all servant women now wore silk gowns—they wore them now the same as they wore cotton ones twenty years ago. This was a proof that the reduction of duty which had taken place, did not injare the trade, but on the contrary had greatly served it. It was well known that the trade would very materially increase, but for the difficulty of a supply of the raw material. The china market was now open to us, and from the supply of the raw article from that country there was every expectation of the trade increasing. France was the great silk manufacturing country, and was still able to outvie all other nations in the beauty of that fabric, but he hoped that it would not be for long—had had an importation of our manufactured article, and that spoke most favourably of the prospect of our trade.—( Hear, hear.) When their Lordships considered the allegations contained in the petition, which complained that the•trade in silk had been destroyed, they would ao well to remember that he had shown the import of the raw material to be three-fold, and that,. instead of the trade being injured, it was progressing. —(Hear.) He was of opinion that the petitioners had failed to show that the trade had been destroyed, or even injured ever so slightly, by the change which had taken place. He had been told that the population of Spitalfields had rnaterially decreased. He did not deny that fact. But it should be re membered that the reduction of-the population there had taken place long before the reduction of the duty. This was occa sioned by the Spitalfields Acts, which had pressed upon them long ago. Those Acts had been done away with, and deputa tions had often waited upon him (Earl Dalhousie), since he had the honour of being connected with the governMent, for the purpose of having the law re-enacted.---(Hear, hear.) The Acts bound the employers to pay a certain price, and no more nor less, and bound the employed to take no less, and demand no more. This restriction upon the free exercise of labour caused the Spitalfields weavers to take their labour into other markets, where these Acts had no effect, and thus it was the po pulation of that place had decreased., They must not accept the amount of work done as any conclusive evidence of the rate of wages paid to the operatives. By the improvements in ma chinery, though as much might not be paid for a given quantity of silk wove, it did not follow that there might not be more paid for the amount of work done in the day than there was before. If, because there had been a reduction of wages paid to -silk weavers they were to conclude that the trade was in a languishing and fading condition, they must consider the same of all other branches of hand-loom weaving ; for in every one of them a reduction had taken place.—( Hear, hear.) All kinds of hand.loom weaving had been affected in a similar manner. The report of the Commission appointed to inquire into the condition of the hand-loom weavers, proved that the distress and reduction of wages among that body did not wise from competition with foreign producers, but arose from competition between the weavers of this country.—( Hear, hear.) Hand-loom weaving was easily learned. They were generally employed at home, and assisted by their families, and the result of the competition among them was, that not only the silk trade but all other branches into which hand-loom weaving entered had been reduced in wages. —( Hear, hear.) The com petition of weavers with weavers was enormous, and that was the cause of the reduction in their wages. It was a case in which Parliament could not apply a remedy, at least not by the exclusion of foreign com petition. The Noble Lord here read an extract from the re port of the Factory Inspectors of last year, to show that the condition of those engaged in th e silk trade had greatly im proved, and that the demand for labour had been very great. In many instances a rise of wages had taken place. He would only advert to one point more. It was said that all this im provement had taken place under the old system, and was no proof that the new one would work well. But he would in form their Lordships that they had been under the new sys tem for' the last quarter of the year—that was, from the 16th of March. By a Treasury order, on the resolutions passing Elie House of Commons, the various' articles in the tariff had been introduced duty free. And what was the result? The following would show. The following return of manu factured silks was taken from the Custom-house, and contrasted with the imports of the corresponding months in 1844 and 1845: In the four months of 1844, the amount imported was in value 129,5001. ; in the four mouths of 1845, 12 7,0001. ; while in the four months since March 16, the amount was 158,000/.—(Hear, hear. ) This showed that, compared w i t h last year, a considerable in crease had taken place. Now, let them take the importation of raw silk duringthe same period :--,in the four months of 1844 the quantity was 912,0001b5. ; i n 1845 , i t was 1,617,0001115. ; and in the four months just ending, the amount was 1.916,0001b5. ; thus showing an in crease from 912,0001b5. to 1,916,0001b5., or an increase of 100 per cent. ; and a far greater increase than had taken place in the importation of manufactured silk. He would now speak of the effect of the measure en " throwsters," or those who were engaged in form ing twisted silk and thread out of the raw material. A reduc tion on foreign thrown silk was made last year, and strong re monstrances were made at the time. In the same returns from which be had quoted, it appeared that from 1814 up to 1823, the amount imported on the average was 360, 0 001bL, while for 1834 to 1840, -the average was 2;15,000, showing a reducti on as compared w i t h the former period.—(Hear, hea r .) I n 1844, t h e t o t a l amoun t of raw silk imported :w as f our millions of pounds, while the whole thrown silk'brO ug ht i n was 410,00 01b 5 .. Th e propor tion of thrown silk fa' raw s ilk i mpor t e d was , th ere f o re, 10 - per cent. Now, let them compare that proportion with what it was during the former period to which he referred, and they would find it formerly was 23 per cent. - --(Hear, hear.) The relative quantites in 1844, 1845, and 1848 were, in the four months to which he had previously referred, as follows : Raw Silk. Thrown Silk. 1814 912,0001bs 135,0,;01b.. 1845... ...... 1,600,0001b5. 157,0001b5. 1846 1,906,0001bs ..136,0001b5. This showed that the proportion of raw silk in 1846 to 1844, was 1,906,0001b5. to 912,000Ibs.—an increase of 1,000 per cent., while the amount of thr.wri silk had actually decreased.— parties tiie ir engaged Lordshi p a i n thatthe there never wa a time w hen there was greater would respect informto prosperity or more full employm ent.— (Hear , hear.) In silk Hear, trade, hear ' ) h W e i t h Spitalfields itself there had been a great improvement, and the same had taken place throughout the country. A short time ago he heard that a meeting of the silk- weavers in Spitalfields the had been held, and a resolution come to to solicit a rise of wages. A gentleman had informed him that the rise in wages had been solicited, and in many instances it had been acceded to. This showed that the trade was in a healthy and nourishing condition. He had now tried to trace the progress of this trade, and he had endeavoured to show that the mea sures which were said to be based on such fatal and mis chievous principles, had operated quite otherwise ; that they had stimulated industry—increased the demand for employ ment—extended the exports and enlarged the imports of the country—and had generally improved the - circumstances of all parties concerned.—(Cheers.) Lord STANLEY said, that after the speech iust delivered by the Noble Lord, no one could doubt but that couldanything be proved by figures. The Noble Lord had , from his access to documents and figures, derived information which proaueednn' effect that he (Lord Stanley) was not surprised at, and which, - in the absence of the case counsel would have presented on the other side, had that been permitted, he cer tainly did not hope to euual in effect upon their Lordships. His Hon. Friend had not established his case. He had at tempted to prove a ground for this great reduction of duty; which they were, now called upon to sanction. If his Hon. Friend had proved anything, it was that the silk trade at the present moment was in a good condition that the imports and exports of silk were largely increasing. But if, his Hon. Friend was going on to prove that the present prosperity 'was- owing to the great alteration which had taken place in consequence of the principle -of free trade, he was wrong. • Admitting, how • ever, the fact of our being so prosperous, and t h at t hi s enormous importation was now taking place, his Honourable Friend went. en to say that they should interfere with all this, and reduce the duties on the manufactured article, trust log that he would not injure the producers of this country by competition. First of all, he differed f rom his Noble Friend as to the facts he had stated. He differed from the facts he had adduced with regard to the prosperity of the silk trade in 1824, and he differed from him, more especially as to any facts he had proved, for he had proved nothing. The effect of which he had spoken was not produced by the dimi nution of the duty on the raw article, for if they took off the duty on the raw article they would see afterwards that a con siderable increase had taken place in the consumption of that article. He was not surprised that, after the year 1824, a con siderable increase had taken place in the consumption of the raw material in tbiscountly, but the increawe did not take place at the time, or in the manner, or to the extent, to which his Noble Frie n d h a d a ll u d e d i n hi s s p eec h. His N oble Friend was extremely ingenious in the statement which he had made to the House; and, by any one who did not look at the facts before them, he was quite sure that his Noble Friend's statement would have been accepted as conclusive. He would not trouble the House with figures, but if they looked at the immense improvement which had taken place in the decennial period before the year 1823, they would find that the average importation amounted to 1,520,000 lbs. weight, and in the tingle year 1844 they imported 4,021,000 lbs. It sounded very well from his Noble Friend, whom he hoped to have seen there to hear his expression. Ho would not go to decennial periods, but to more conclusive arguments. By the progress made by the silk trade, both before the altera tion was made in the law aid afterwards, he thought that he .could induce them to adMit that the free-trade measure had not been of any benefit. He would take the amount of silk imported in the ten years before the year 1823, and compare it with the consumption which had taken place up to the year 1844. The average in the three years 1815, 1816, 1817—he evoke with regard to the raw material—was 1,388,0001b5. 'he average in the years 1818, 1819, 1820, was 1,841,0001b5., and the average in 1821, 1822, 1823, was 2,325,0001b5. In 1824 was prodisced 3,884,0001151 Now, before the principle of free trade Came into opyration, the increase from the year 1815 to 1824 (a Becennial -- Period - which his Noble Friend found it convenient to take) was from 1,000,3: 4 81bs. to 3,884,0001b5. on the raw material alone. The duty was reduced in March, .1824, and in 1824 the importation amounted to 3,884,0001b5. The increlke in . the three triennial periods, from 1815 to 1823, ;: was an, increase of one million on the raw material. Now let them go to a period beyond that, and ascertain the imports of raw silk. In ' the year 1822, the raw material amounted to 3,880,0001b5., showins, as he- had said, an increase of a million. His noble Friend did not like par tentage, and the absence of it would make his case the stronger, for he could roundly state that there had only been an increase of one million in six years. In the year 1824, there was introduced into the country 3,800,000 lbs., and in the year 1844 were introduced 4,400,000 lbs.--( Hear, hear.) The • increase went on at a much greater rate before the introduction of Mr. Huskisson's measure then it did now, for while the increase before its introduction 19;13 1,000,000 lbs. in six years, the increase since it -had passed-was-only 800,000 lbs. in the last twenty years. The duty was taken off the raw material in 1824, and the duty was afterwards taken 'off the finished —Material. The Bengal and waste silks were mixed up in equal quantities, and were made up in articles of the value of of 7a. 6d. per lb. Bengal silk cost 20s. per lb., and Italian silk cost 475. per lb. He mentioned that it was not a matter of indifference whether the increase bad been in the best sorts of silk or in the knobs and husks. The export trade in silk was not an increasing trade, for in the year -1826 the exports were £290,000 183 F 691,000 - 1846 - But it might be said, take the case of a single year. He would do so. In the year— 1840 the exports were £792,000 1839 1838 760,000 1836 ... 917,000 1835 973,000 Of the quantity of goods sent to France, a great quantity was formed of these knubs and wastes. From the year 1844 to the year 1845, 159,0001b5. had been exported ;of these, 93,000 re- ' presented 245,0001b5. twist and yarn made up of knubs and busks ; and the value of these articles was only 7s. per pound. He was satisfied that the greater part of the exports to France was made from this Bengal silk, mixed up with these knobs and husks. He followed his Noble Friend through the exports and imports of these articles. His Noble Friend had stated a reason for the stagnation of the silk trade from a paper which he held in his hand (Durant's Circular). On the Ist of January, 1846, the stock on hand was 15,715 bales, while in most previous ye ars it had not amounted to more than 12,000 to 13,000.—(Hear, hear.) His Noble Friend had not upon that occasion ventured to put forward the question of smuggling. He had not urged upon them the necessity of preventing smuggling ; but upon a former occasion he did state that it appeared from the return of the French Custom-houses there was a larger amount of goods shipped for England than paid duty here. Now, he (Lord Stanley) did not deny there , was a,great deal of smuggling carried on bete eon this country and France, but he believed that of all articles, there was less smuggling by way of running goods in silk than any other article.—( Hear, hear.) And what smuggling did take place in that article was carried on through the connivance of their own Custom-house officers. He held in his hand a return of the number of persons convicted for smuggling. The total num ber convicted was 755, and of that number 511 were for smug gling tobacco, 171 for smuggling spirits, 11 for smuggling tea, and only ten persons for smuggling silk.—(Hear, bear.) Since the last time they debated this subject, he had looked into Mr. Deacon Hume's evidence of 1835, and he found that gentle man recommended 30 per cent. as the maximum duty for protection to the silk trade, and 25 per cent. as an increase duty to guard against smuggling. Therefore, he said that, as far as smuggling was concerned, there was no case made out for the further reduction in the duty. It had been represented tc him that the proposed duty, instead of being as it was repre sented a duty of fifteen per cent., would be a duty of seven per cent. on some goods, eight per cent. on others, and nine per cent. on others. This arose from the duty being levied according to the weight, and not upon the value of the goon's. Now, he could see no reason for departing from the old and usual mode of classifying silks; and to show what result the change had produced, he might mention, that twenty-four pieces of figured silks had passed through the custom-house that morning, which, under the old classification would have produced 25/. 10s. at a duty of ten per cent., while, under the present system of levying the duty according to weight, they had only paid 12/. 10s. It was proposed to levy. the duty on ribbons in the same manner, but on a representation of its injustice and impolicy being made to the Board of Trade by the Hon. Mr. Ellice, and, the ribbon manufactories of Coventry, the old classification was adopted; and be could not see why the same should not he done with regard to silk.— (Hear, hear.) He was not eonipetent to enter into these details, or to explain the minutia of the silk trade, but it must be plain to their Lordships, and to every man of common sense, that there would be a manifest injustice committed in proportion to the application of these duties on articles vary ing in amount from 501. to 1001. per cent., or charged with more duty ; and when, for the first time, this reduction tool: place, notwithstanding the principles which their Lordships had always hitherto recognised.--( Hear, hear.) Well, now,ingh theft e Lor ds hip s had n o thatt ie his means, Noble u ndo, Fie u n b d t , e d ,4 ly h o n f s d a o t b fy t - , supposed that has address was a most triumphant one, was mistaken in his statements as to the silk trade of this this country, but his arguments with reference to the wages and employment of people concerned in that trade were erro neous. This he (Lord Stanley) knew, that from 1826 to 1832, there was, as appeared by the evidence of Mr. Groat, who was examined before .a Committee of the House of Commons in 1832, a large and progressive decrease in the number of spindles and people employed in the silk trade—there was a large increase in the number of mills standing still. He (Lord Stanley) had not the documents to refer to, but the accounts which he bad received from private individuals was very much at variance with the statements made by his Noble Friend who had lately addressed them. Now he would beg their Lordships to recollect that there was one article in the silk trade in which there had been an important falling off in the wages of the la bourers engaged in that trade, and that one ar ticle was the article of figured velvets, upon which the highest protecting duty to this day was 1/. 7s. 6d., he believed, but by this mea sure the Government proposed to reduce the amount to 9s. per lb.—( Hear, hear.) They were going to reduce that duty which, according to Mr. Deacon Hume, was only 30/. per cent. in the year 1824. The effect of their present proposal would be to reduce it two-thirds. Notwithstanding the statements of his Noble Friend, as to the prosperous state of the silk trade, he (Lord Stanley) had learned that not only in Spitalfields, but in Macclesfield, and iu other parts of the country, the silk trade was in a declining state.—( Hear, hear.) He could only state the evidence of private individuals on this subject, but the Noble Lord had only offered them similar evi dence in support of this measure.—( Hear, hear.) He should certainly be surprised to hear his Noble Friend say that therehad not been a decrease in the manufacture of plain silks, and the wages of the people employed in the manufacture of them. The wages he had lately heard, had decreased in London from Is. 4d. and Is. 2d., to Is. per day. He bad been assured by the most eminent sick-merchants, that their trade was gradually declining since the introduction of what were called the principles of free-trade. —( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord concluded by saying that this measure was, in his opinion, not called for by policy or wisdom, nor justified by the arguments which had been adduced by his Noble Friend, and he would only add, as a very inferior, but not altogether unimportant consideration, that the effect of this measure would be still to reduce the revenue derived from our imports, by reducing the duty one half of what it was at the present moment, and by which we realised about 332,0001.—(Cheers. ) Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— 50 t For the amendMent Against it Majority h The item wa jo e r n ity ordered to stand part of the Bill. The,House then resumed, and the Bill was reported with out amendments. . It was then agreed, on the motion of the Duke of WEL LINGTON, that the Bill should be read a third time on Thursday next. Their Lordships then adjourned, at a Quarter past Twelve. 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Also, the most powerful Achromatic Telescopes, Opera Glasses, Microscopes, Invisible and all kinds of Acoustic Instruments for relief of extreme Deafness. Caution.—M easrs. S. an d B . Solomons, Optician', a re not in any way connected with a person of the same name in the immediate neigh bourhood. To prevent mistakes, be cautions and observe, onl,-to be had at 59, Albemarle-street, ri ee adin3 , opposite the York Hotel. COLLISIONS AT SEA.—It appears from an official document just presented to Parliament, that there we t r h e e last year 454 to collisions of vessels at sea, and in the p resent year, 12th of May last, the number was 150. THE BAKERS AND THE Conx-LAWS.—The bakers of bread have run their stocks of flour so fine that it was difficult to obtain bread in some of the villages in this county at the beginning of last week. Even in Liverpool some of them are so completely out of stock as to require that the flour bought by them shall be seat Dime I Ito sawa aftvrnoon for tuunediate um-44mM Tint'. PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS. (From the Votes and Proceedings of the Rouse-of Cantozanit.) TUESDAY, JUNE 23. The following Railway Bill was withdrawn:— , • Manchester and Leeds and Leeds and Bradford Railways Amai• gamation. STANDING ORDERS' COMMITTEE. The following resolutions were reported from this Committee:- 1. That, in the case of .the Argyll Canal Bill, amendments on third reading, the amendments are of sach a nature as ought not to be adopted at that stage. 2. That, in the case of the Banffshire Roads Bill; amendment on third reading, the amendment is of such a nature as may be adopted, if the House shall think flt.—Report to Neon the table. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISI ONS ;From the Votes and Proceedings of thy House of Counons.) • TUESDAY, JUNE 23. • GLASGOW, DUMFRIES, AND CARLISLE RAILWAY BILL. Order read for resuming adjourned debate, ." That the report be taken into further consideration uton this day six months :"—Ques tion again proposed ; debate resumed : Question put. The House divided : MINORITY-AYES, 100. Anson, Colonel Gordon, Hon. Capt. 'Marshal t, ki, S. Antrobus, Edmund G o r e , Montague ; -• • ' v • • • Arbuthnott, H. Baillie, IL J. Granby, Marquis of Martin, John ; Grogan, Edward Mastermau, J. Bell, Matthew Halsey, T. P. Nihon, Viscount lieresford, Major Hamilton, J. H. Moffatt, George i; i... Berkeley, H. F. Hamilton, Lord C. 3torrisou, James Blaelsburne, J. I. Heatheots, 0. J. Newport, Viset. Blackstone, W. S. Hinde, J. H. Ogle, S. C. Bodkin, W. H. liiiidley Charles Paktngton, J. S. Itorthwlck, Peter Hodgson, F. Parker, John Bowes, John ' Hodgson, Itiehar'.l Pluniptre,y. P. Bramston, T. W. Horsman, E. ' Pollington, Viscount liurroughes, H. N. Hould swort h ,T. Powell, Caleb Chandos, Marq. of Howard, C. W. Richards Richard Chapman, B. - Hudson, G. . Round, John Clayton, R. R. Hughes, W. It. Rutherfuni, A. Colebrooke, Sir P. Humpliery; Ald. Scott, R. • Collett, W. It. Hassey, Thon4s Sheppard, T. Colquhoun, John ' Inglis, Sir R. Smith, Abel Cripps, William Irton, Samuel - Snaollett, Alexan Is Douglas, SIT H. Johnstone, hope StanleY;E: Douglas, Sir C. -,-, --Janes, Captain- Stewart; P. M. Douglasi-J, D. S. • - Ittrk,'Peter • Thornhill, G. ' • Drummond, 11. Knight, P. W. Trollope, Sir J.• Duke, Sir J. Lotkliat t, A. E. • ; • •Trotter, John Buncombe, Thomas Lockhart, W. _ . Vernon, G. Dancombe, A. - Leng, Walter Ward, H. G. East, J. B. . Lowther Celonel Williams, W. Ellice, Edward Mackenzle,'T. • Wyndham, J. H. Elphinstone, Sir U. Mackenzie, W. F. Eseott, Bickham Mactismara, Major Fellowes, E. - Maher, N. Ferguson, Sir R. Mangles, R. D. Fitzroy, Lord C. Manners, Lord C. TELLERS. MaRIC, Fps' Hawes, penj. MAJORITY-NOES, 166. . I , Ellice, Bt. Hon. E, OrreyS; Sir D. Ellis, Wynn O'Brien, T. Entwisle, W. Ord, W. Estcourt, T. G. Oswald, Alexander Evans, Sir De. Lacy Oswald, James Evans, William Paeke, C. W. Fitzmaurice, W. Palmerston, Via. Forster, Matthew Pattison, J. Fox, S. L. Peel, Jonathan Frewen, C. H. Pendarves, Edward Gardner, J. D. Philips, Mark Gibson, Thomas M. Phillpotts, John Gill, Thomas Plumridge, Captain Gregory, W. H. Polhill, Frederick Guest, Sir John Power, James . • Hall, Sir Benjamin Eashleigh, W. Hall, Colonel Redlngton, T. N. Hamilton, G. A. Reid, Colonel Harmer, Sir J. Ross, D. R. Harcourt, G. Scott, Francis Heathcoat, John Shelburne, Earl of Henley, J. W. Shirley, E. P. . Herbert, Sidney Somerset, Lord G. Hobhouse, Sir J. Somerton, Viscount t Hollond, Robert Spry, Sir S. Holmes, W. A'Court Stanfield, W. R. C. Hernby, John Stewart, John Howard, P. IL Stuart, Lord J. Hume, Joseph Stuart, V. Ingestre, Visct. Stuart, J. James, William Strutt, Edward Jermyn, Earl Tancred, H. W. Jocelyn, Viscoun Thornely, T. Johnson, General Tower, C. Labonchere, Henry Towneley, John Langston, J. 11. Trelawny, J. S. Lascelles, E. Trevor, J. R. Lascelles, W. S. Turner, Edmund Lemon, Sir Charles Vane, Lord 11. Lennox, Lord G. H. Vesey, T. Lindsay, Captain Villiers, Viscount Loch, James Vivian, J. E. Lygon, Gen. Waddington, H. S. M'Carthy, Alexander Wall, C. B. M`Taggart, Sir J. Warburton, H. Mahon, Viscount Wawn, J T. Maitland, T. White, Samuel Diarsland, Henry Wilde, Sir Thomas llitcalfe, H. ' Wodehouse, E. Mitchell, T. A. Wortley. J. S. Molesworth, Sir W. Wyse, Thomas Morris, David Yorke, Henry R. Mostyn, E. M. L. Napier, Sir C. TELLERS. Newry, Viscount Bouverie, Edward P. Nicholl, J. Ewart, William Norreys, Lord Acknal, Sir T. . A'Court, Captain Aglionby, H. A. Ainsworth, Peter Aldam, William Alexander, N. A rkwright, G. Armstrong, Sir A. Arundel, Earl of Austen, Colonel Baillie, W. Baine, Walter Bannerman, A. Baring, r..c. Barnard, Edward G. Bentinck, Lord G. Benthick, -Lord 11. Berkeley. Craven Blake, M. J. Bowles, Admiral Bowring, Dr. Boyd, John . Bradshaw, James Bridgeman, Hewitt Bright, John Broadwood, H. Bruce, Lord E. Bruges, -W. H. Buckley, Edmund Buller, Edward Buller, Sir J. V. Burrell ; Sir C. Busfeild, W. Callaghan, D. Cavendish, 0.11. Campbell, Sr H. Chichester, Lord J. Christie, W. D. Christopher, B. Clay, Sir W. Clements, Viscount Cobden, It. • Collins, William Connolly, Col. Corbally, M.E. Carteis, H. B. Dannelly, Lord Dalrymple, Captain Denison, E. B. Dennistoun, J. Dickinson, F. F. Divett, E. Duncan, George Dundas, Admiral Dundas, F. Da Pre, C G. Ebrington, Viscount BANKRUPTCY COURT. (YESTERDAY). (Before Mr. Commissioner EvANs.) EX PARTE BARRY IX RE L. T. GASKILL. The sitting in this case was for the purpose of contesting the validity of a fiat in bankruptcy issued by Mr. Barry, the proprietor of the Shipping and ltlercantile Gazette, the Tour. nal of Commerce, and the Railway Courier, against Mi. Gaskill, the advertising agent of Moorgate-street, on a debt of 9131 ., for advertisements inserted in those papers. The in vestigation appeared to cause great interest among the mem bers of the press, and several of the proprietors and • repre sentatives of the metropolitan - daily journals were : present.. The chief point at issue was-, whether an advertising:agent. ws a trader within the meauing - cf the bankrupt taws? fir Mr,Cree, of the mof Vaudercoym,Cree; and. Co.;Co.;attended for Mr. Barry; and: Mr; E. James, assisted by Mr. Asluirst, appeared for Mr. Gaskill.• . The proceedings were opened by the calling of witnesses to prove the alleged trading. Mr. J. Jeayes, clerk to Mr. Gtv:kill, - depottl to the fact of his employer being an ativertisenicut . z4eut, and ,receiving advertitements from public companies, auctioneers, and other persons for insertion in the various newspapers. Mr. Gaskill did not purchase newspapers with the object of selling them again. He was not aware that Mr. Gaskill was one of the proprietors of the Railway Mail. Mr. Gaskill discontinued his business about the time the railway panic came on. It was known very well where Mr. Gaskill wal to be found. Mr. Dobie was acting as solicitor to the general body of ere . - ditors, and Mr. Barry was quite aware of that, a circular .on the subject being sent to him. Mr. Gaskill never received orders from any of the companies for any quantity of news papers—at all events he never executed any. Mr. JAMES said he had no questions to ask this witness. Mr. Alexander Dobie, of 2, Lancaster-place, Strand, soli citor, was next examined—He said he had known Mr. Gas kill for ten years and upwards. At the end of November last he was consulted by Mr.. Gaskill on the state of his affairs. At that time he (Mr. Dobie) could not UT that Mr. Gaskill was unable to meet the claims of his creditors, be cause there were some thousands due to him beyond what he owed, all of which he believed to be perfectly good. He'(Mr. Dobie) convened a meeting of Mr. Gaskill's creditors in January last, at which he (Mr. Dobie) made a verbal state ment on the condition of that gentleman's affairs. At that meeting certain resolutions were passed which were embo died in a report of the proceedings. The following circular was then put in and received in the ordinary form of evi dence : " At a meeting of the creditors of Messrs. Gaskill and Co advertising agents, 54, Moorgate-street, City, held at the Crown and Anchor Tavern, on Wednesday, the 21st Jan., 1846, at 12 o'clock precisely, pursuant to a circular letter of the 16th inst., of which the following is a copy : " Sir,—ln consequence of being unable to collect the large sums of money due to me by various railway companies for advertising in your paper and in others, and altogether amounting to a sum exceeding very considerably my liabi lities, I placed the accounts in the hands of Alexander Dobie, Esq., solicitor, 2, Lancaster-place, Strand, in order to effect a settlement; and finding from him that it will require more time to do so than I expected, I have respectfully to request the favour of your attendance on Wednesday next, the 21st instant, at 11 for 12 precisely, at the Crown and Anchor Ta vern, in the Strand, when a statement will be submitted to you for your information, and to take your instructions what, under the circumstances, is the best to be done for the in terest of all parties. I remain, sir, your meat obedient, " L. T. GASKILL." " 54, Moorgate-street, City, Jan. 16, 1846." " The circular letter of the 16th of January, above referred to, having been read by Mr. Dobie, the solicitor of Messrs. Gaskill and Co., he then stated to the meeting that on the 29th of November last, Mr. Gaskill placed in hisjhands a num ber of accounts against various railway companies for adver tising them in the newspapers and other journals, amounting to the sum of 17,9791. 135., and at the same time they handed him a list of their liabilities, amounting to the sum of 13,1081. 16s. Id., with instructions to use every means in his power to collect the sums due, and to pay the same when received amongst those having claims upon them. That ap plication was immediately made to the several companies, and arrangements have been come to whereby there is every rea son to believemore than sufficient will, ere long, be received to pay every creditor his full demand, and leave a , considerable surplus. That the carrying of these arrangements into ex ecution has been and is greatly retarded by attachments from the Lord Mayor's Court, which have been issued by the following journals, namely,—' The Sun,' the Shipping. and Mercantile Gazette,' the Globe,' and the Railway Ex press;' and the serving of the same upon the secretaries of most of the railway companies indebted to Mr. Gaskill, and which has afforded and still affords them au excuse for not coming to a settlement until the attachments are withdrawn. That it was and is Mr. Gaskill's determination not. to inter fere with the receipt of the sums due, but that the same should be paid to his solicitor for the purpose of being equally divided. And lastly, it was stated that in a few months there was every reason to hope more than enoughaine and Would the u l l) d r od be t c g : t l n lri t es C: every one ex without pense having woliid recourse osuarvs saved, to a w p n a l ,d ' y , e O r d e t; atykset the law w of a i% v i o r i . de c d o . llin of the' Morning Chro nicle,' Mr. Jeremiah Garnett, proprietor of the Manchester Guardian, was unanimously cal led to the chair, the repro-, sentatives of the following_now.spapers Morning Herald," The Post," The Morning Herepath's Railw being present : —'The Morning Chronicle,' 'The Morning Globe,' The S Advertiser,' The Standard ,". The Journal,'Railway Record," Bra shaw s way Gazette," Railway Direct be a_ Times,' Railw)v Chr , on;L a le l ,.. T isll or," Mining.Tourna l, Era,' Bell's Weekly Messenger,' Gentle man,' British and Foreign Railway cantile Journal,' Railway World,' Railway Express" Manchester Guardia , nc , h t es a t t e h r g- c r ' l t i o a Gn n d e .' a lt r e d re , " " k:din Courier,' Bristol Mercury,' Herald," Bristol Mirror,' Birmingham,. fhilbt'iltn7.l:ocujilhrneegai ii ",g h : ranin i e n d s Intelligencer ' , Leeds ham Advertiser,' Birn miner,tenham Exa- 'Hull Advertiser , ' Stockport Advertiser,' Mercury," NottingliaT Sll6ffield Iris,' Sussex Agricul tural Staffordshire Mercury, • Worcester Herald," Worcester Guardian,' a tu c r ,: a u l a E pc .o x n p E xpress,' s a r ' g ' the foregoing statement, and also some ob servations by Pdr. Gaskill and by several of the creditors present, and Mr. Gaskill having eXpressed his perfect willing ness t o execute a deed of assignment, or any oth er instru ment which might be found necessary or desirable for the benefit of his creditors, and Mr. Chapman, on behalf of him self and the other proprietors of the Globe ' newspaper, having undertaken to 'withdraw the attachments issued on their behalf; "It was moved by Mr. Hughes, of the Birmingham Ad vertiser, and seconded by Mr. Sowler, of the Manchester Courier,' That it is the unanimous epinidn of this meeting, that the continuance of the attachments by ' The Sun,' the ' Shipping and Merca n til e G aze tt e ,' an d the Railway Ex press, will be exceedingly injurious to the interests of the general body of creditors, and that the proprietors of those journals be requested to withdraw; them. immediately.; in which case Mr. Dobie is hereby authorised to pay any ex penses necessarily incurred in issuing and withdra ing ouch attachments." " Famed unanimoutdy. ' " Moved by Mr. Francis, of the Railway Chronicle,' an d seconded by Mr. Adams, fur Bradshaw's Railway Gazette -" That Mr. Thomas Beard of the Morning Herald', Mr. Henry Collinson of the Chronicle', and the president or secretary for the timel being of the provincial society of news paper proprietors, be appointed inspectors or trustees of the affairs of Mr. Gaskill, and that he do execute the neces sary deed of inspectorship or assignment to enable them to colEect in the debts due to him for the equal benefit of the creditors Passed unanimously. Moved_by _.Mr. Co-Hinson, of the Morning Chrdnide, l seconded by Mi:. Chapman, of the ' Globe'— That in order to give effect to the proceedings of this .day, the present meeting recommend to all Mr. Gaskill's cre• ditors to abstain from taking any legal proceedings whatever against him. • " Passed unanimously. " Moved .by Mr. fowler, of the Manchester Courier,'-se conded by Mr. Tomlinson of the' Atlas'— " That the best thanks of this meeting are due and are hereby given.to Mr. Chapman, for undertaking to withdraw the attachment issued on behalf of the proprietors of the Globe.' • " J. GARNETT, Chairman. "'Mr. Garnett having left the chair, it was moved by Th - tarnsg• Son ter, Eq., and seconded by Mr. Bridgeford, of the Sheffield Jri6"-- That the be - sf th'Unl;S Of this meeting are due to Mr liar nett for his services in the chair. Passed unanimously The meeting then separated, with the understanding that it was to' be again convened at the•cpieretion of the trustees." No deed of assignment or inspection was ever executed by Mr. Gaskill, in pursuance of the resolution passed at that meeting. A draught was prepared, but never executed. The reason for this course of conduct was theTonfidence that' the general body of creditors as well as himself reposed in Mr. Gaskill (and which was still entertained), that he would do what was right and fair. It was therefore thought best to .avoid the expense, as it would be of no benefit to the estate, inasmuch as it would :have compelled him (Mr. Dobie) to , go to or correspond with the' third trustee, Mr. Ridge , who lived at Sheffield,.upon every !itfe.stion affecting the arrange ment of the accounts. In pouit of fact, Mr. Colliuson and Mr. Roden (who took the lace of Mr. Beard), did act as - trustees' for Mr . , Gaskill's estate.: lie meant by that ' that he consulted a* two 4tentl9men on all Ott:RS*lOllS, but the deed was - considered abandoned. since his affairs had passed into big (Mr. Dobie's). hands hatlbeen.residing at had .never awbseherentedhe=heti!ei,liTueariv'eXii Do rs b l i t e . 's j ) A lt ln n z o2v4d . con found ir necesty: • _Re s ge.• evidence, and shill tlierefore.°-cr u h' o ts Ur c i r ift t a ° t -rsi th to er hi e is (Dl rte r. • ve . to reserve ray cross-ex amination of Mr. Dobie till we see Ns hether there is anything at m all r. in e t n li t e E— case. w e shall not he able to finish to-day, your Honour. There are other witnesses we wish to examine, whom at present we have not been able to find. Mr. Commissioner EVANS—Other witnesses as to trading? Mr. CREE—Yes, sir. The next witness examined was Robert Shelton M'Kenzie. He stated that he had been acquainted with Mr. Gaskill for nearly thirteen years. During the greater part of that time Mr. Gaskill had been connected with the press, and for the , last fifteen mouths had carried on the business of an adver tisement agent in London and Liverpool. Within the latter period he (Dr. M'Kenzie) had conducted the Railway Ex ' press newspaper, and in that capacity had received orders for advertisements from Mr. Gaskill and his clerks, which he ha inserted in that paper, and charged to his account, allow ing im a certain per centage on the amount of the adver tisements. He had also supplied him from time to time with newspapers for different railway companies, at the request of Mr. Owen and Sir George Stephen, for which he (Dr. M'Kenzie) charged the full price. These newspapers were to the amount of upwards of WI., and were several hundreds in number. Several railway companies (including every company, he believed, for which,such newspapers had been supplied) referred Mr. Gaskill's bills to him (Dr. M'Kenzie) for examination, but there was no charge for newspapers in any of those that he saw. Mr. Gaskill kept offices in Moor gate-street, with an establishment of clerks, for the conduct of his business. • Mr. JAMES--Now, Dr. M'Kenzie, I suppose those news papers were ordered to keep the Railway Express in good humour? Dr. M'Kenzie—Tou may infer that if you choose. Mr. JAmus—Oh s so we will not. Was that not the case? Were not articles written to flit tract attention to the scheme* advertised ? Dr. M'Kenzie—Why, yes; notice was taken of some, but the papers were also ordered on account of the advertise ments, that they might be seen. Mr. JAMES—What, circulated? Dr. KKenzie—That they might be sent off to the dif ferent parties. I think they were not ordered by Gaskill on his own account—they were chiefly on account of Mr. Owen, the solicitor connected with the different companies. Mr. JamEs—And so Gaskill has forgotten to charge for these papers? Dr. Mgienzie—lt a.. ears so, for they are not in the bills. Mr. Jeams—ls the ilway Express alive now ? Dr. A.P.Kerctie—No, it has departed this life, much la mented by all who knew it.—(Laughter). Mr. Jamas—lndeed, much lamented by all who knew it, that, I suppose, after a short illness? Dr. M‘henzie—No, it was very hard in dying Mr. JamEs—When was the day of its death? Dr. M'Kenzie—About a month ago. Mr. JAMEs—When did it come into existence, doctor? Dr. Al‘Kenzie—lt lived about a year. It came into ex. Istence in the early part of June twelvemonths. Mr. JAiuEs—Were you one of the proprietors, doctor? Dr. M`lienzia—l was latterly one of the proprietors. I was editor (lithe paper throughout its existence. Mr. Jaws—l suppose its chief support was its advertise ments? Dr. M'Keuzie—And its cimulation. Mr. Jamits—You attracted notice, did you not, by favour able mention of schemes ? • Dr. /Kenzie—We were as fair as we could b e.— ( Laughter.) Mr. Hughes was row examined by Mr. CREE, on the question of . Mr. Ga,kill bin a proprietor of the Railway Mail. He understood that Jr.' Gaskill and Mr. Owen were jointly interested in that paper, but he, never distinctly un derstood that Mr. Gaskill was a proprietor. Mr. Ingram, he believed; irasThei•Alstitealwiipriepr. He had a converse- ion with Mr. Gaskill relativ 4 e to the introduction of busi- ness to the paper. and it was understood that if there were any profits he (Mr. Hughes) was to receive a share of them, as remuneration for his services. Mr. JAMES—NOSY, Mr. Hughes, when was the Ruilway t,tarted ,? Huglies-tine - iiine in the month of October last. .Mr. JAKEs-,,,When expire Mr. Hughos---About the beginning .of November, or per haps a little - Later. • - . - Ir. Jeans.-11'hat,' did it last - only a month ? litikhes,-4.1 month. or six weeks.—(Laughter.) . It was, at first intended to be. a ,thrice-a-week paper, but it was afterwards resolved to publish itonly twice a-week. It came out-in all about 16- or 17 - times. lie did not know that a great nuMber'were given away. He understood that the principal circulation was , among the news-agents and the companies.. lie did not know low the question of profit stood, for the accounts were not yet finally arranged. He knew there were moneys owing to the paper, but it was • hopeless to expect to collect them. Ingram was, he be lieved, the sole registered proprietor. Mr. Commis Oner EVANS did not see the end of this examination. It was evident that Mr. Hughes could give no testimony of consequence respecting the proprietorship. Mr. JAmEs would not press it. The fact was, the paper was one of those started - tor the purpose of getting railway advertisements. (Addressing Mr. Hughes)—Whv, it had an account of the money market written in French, for the benefit of continental speculators,,had it not ?—(Laughter.) Mr. Hughes —Yes, I believe so. , • Mr. CREE said he was not prepared to go further with the inquiry to-day; and hoped the Court would give an adjourn ment. Mr. JA]uss said this was a hard case upon Mr. Gaskill. By the resolutions adopted at the meeting of creditors it would, be seen that nearly all—indeed, he might say all—the credi tors had consented to the terms of arrangement proposed, with the single exception of the present claimant. This was not an ordinary case, but one of some importance, and, as re sulting from the late railway mania, required care in its treatment. The truth -of this would be seen this way—the claims of Mr. Gaskill were principally against provisional committeemen and others having to do with railway corn • panies ; and Without Mr. Dobie, who represented the credi tors, was allowed to proceed— heavNi.deezlncoet h is in v g ery te do M w r i . th Co it n , un ,, i . s e o re ner the lL vague, very vague indeed , and this last witness can tell u s N cas .AN e S — CT e h a a r. t A wo ll ul tb d nothing at all. ' Mr. JAstr-s-1 am sure yolir Honour will consider the general body of creCitors. Mr. CHILE thought that Mr. Hughes' evidence afforded strong presumption of- proprietorship, and at least would satisfy the Court that further inquiry ought to take place. Mr. JAMES said, - the interest of the creditors required that speedy steps should be taken to collect the assets, and with out a prompt decision was given, the proceedings of Mr. Dobie would be tampered with, and their cause damaged. 'These chairmen and provisional -committeemen were- persons wit() sought the retreats of Boulogne and other fugitive localities, and delays Were therefore dungemn,F. Mr.. Commissioner I:vAN's said he should net adjourn the case without strong cause were shOWn. Mr. JAmas—Thi'docket was struck on the sth January, and proceedings had been kept lingering on to the present date. This. suspense, of course, interfered with Mr. askill; go forward while ' he question o f a b ankruptcy was and qtrliellaistyied 4 thei'ftetion . •Of Mr. Dobi e , w h o could no t Already Mr. Dobie bad been obliged to refuse money offered in settlement of some of these accounts, consequent upon the issue of this fiat. If Mr. Cree could not Koduce further and Mr..Gaikitt the benefit of that failure, better evidence, he Mr. James) should beg the Court to give pending. fresh flat. ti l e aubjett of the pro. Mr. Owen was then examiued, Vt i tt he could give no satia prietorship of the Rai& tie IU:4A - • And hit him sue ou a factory information. • ' fo be could adjudicate a mart better' evidence than I tIC De therenutst bo stronger and a bankrupt.- -What b y r i . dence Mr. Commissioner li: rill i. s :: g 7 be it a de' even said was not anything was =eh too vague to subject like sufficient. asked n if the Court did not think there was groußd Mr. CREE for further inquire '.' E , Commi.,sioner N ANS s aid he would not adjourn the Mr. - • bout it could be a m an to such cgse wit shOwit in the regular way that aTileeal as bankruptcy. some witness had fallen suddenly ill, or kept out of the w ay. Grounds 'such as those would be alone sufficient foe adjournment. Under other circumstances he could not. adjourn. 'On the point of trading, his Honour decided that not " buying or selling" was shown, and he therefore refused to adjudicate. The proceedings then terminated. Mr. Gaskill, it appears, has paid 10s. in the pound down to his creditors, and offers a second instalment of se. in th course of a few months. • EREATITSL—We are given to understand that the numbers in the division, last Monday e v en in g , on LOrd Stith*" a amendment were incorrectly given to the press. The'TiUmber4 shwa 1 have been :—Contents, 62 ; non contents, 64. Majority for Ministers, AN UNWILLING BATHE.—On Saturday morning, a young gentleman went to bathe in the Lee, above the Pipe Watet - works, at Cork. After swimming about ibr some minutes, he re turned to the bank, and was proceeding to dress himself, wheat Durham bun moved in stately form towards him, pawing the ground, tossing his head, sand switching his tail. The bather, perceiving the acquaintance becoming rather close, shook his coat at the animal to deter him, but this appeared to have been taken AS AU invitation tg advance, and the animal came on at an accelerated Pace, when the poor wight was compelled to save himself by jumping into the rivet. He was no sooner submerged than the bull took his clothes on k horns, and pitched them one atter the other after him into the water. The gentleman caught his clothes, and bong by the bank , trying no. casionally to escape, but the bull guarded the bank so as to preveat a retreat. Ile was thus kept In the water for three hears, until die. covered tIY a person passing on the opposite hank, and a boat was brought to his assistance.—lrish payer. DEATH OF MR. JAMES MARsil, THE CHEMIST.-... We have to announce the deatliof Mr. James Marsh, the celebrate c. chemist, who expired on Sunday evening at his residence in Berea. ford•;street, Woolwich. Mr. Marsh will be remembered as the hives/. tor of the test for arsenic, nowgelerallY used in medical jurisprudence. He held the situation of practical chemist at the 'Royal Arseua • WoolWielr, 'and was assistant to Dr. Faraday, at the Royal sm ituy A c ademy. Mr. - Marsh was In his 57th year, anti bas left a veldt w and MOT.- • • -••