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IM PER IA L PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, FRIDAY, DEC. 'll. SCOTS APPEAL—Sir W. Johnstone, Bart. of Hilton, v. , Noel, Templar, and Co. Bankers in London. Counsel having been fully heard on this cause, viz. Messrs. Adam and Horner, for the appellant, Sir S. Rornilly and Mr. Wingfield, for the respondent, and Mr. Adam on behalf of the. apnellant to reply ; The Loan CHANCELLOR, after a short view of the peculiar merits of thc case; moved their Lord ships to afiirin the decree of the Court below, with two hundred pounds costs, which was order ed accordingly. . 'PRIVATE BILLS, . • It was-ordered, on the Motion of Lord WAL liNoi-fa.m, that nolleports lie• received from the judges on Petitions for Private Bills, after Tnes day.the 9th day of April next. . INSOLVENT DEBTORS' :AMENDMENT BILL. Their Lordships re/solved into .a Committee on this Bill, and some Amendments, chiefly of a ver bal nature,. were made on the - mggestion of Lord Ellenborough: The Report was ordered to be' rep.ei.ved to.-morrow. . The Sugar Brewery and the Starch Manu ftcture Bill, were brought up from the Commons by Mr.,Lushington and Other Members', and se verally read a first time.—Adjournbd. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FAIDAY,, DEC. 11. Mr. MITCHINSON, from the Bank, brought up the various accounts moved foi by Mr. Aber cromby, which were ordered to .lie upon She r 3 able. HASE brought up an aCcount of the issue of Bank Tokens. Ordered to lie on the Table. Mr. ROBINSON brought lip the West India Im portatipn Irtdearnity Bill, which was.read a firs tivie, and.order ed to be read a second time to. inpi•row A Petition whs presented from Stamford, in Lin coln4inre,. against the return of John Lord Hen -hiker; it was ordered to be taken into considera tion. on ' rib ursday, the 23d of February. • .• A Petition vi!.s- also presented from ll , mry Hunt RM, others, complaining. of the undue return of Members for the city of ; Bristol. it was ordered to be taken into consideration oii the 25th of February. Lo:•d .CAs - mr.P.iAGrt brought. "Alp. the ZII for granting to the Martinis of We hington the sum of -100,000/. , which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time'to-inOr.rOw. • Lord CASTLEREAGH then moved, that the Bill be taken into fiirther consideration to-morrow for the purpose of introducing a new clause. The I1;,500,0001. Exchequer Bilk Bill was read a first thne', and ordered to be read 'a second time to - mor The additiimal Rice Duty Bill was read a firs' time, and''ordi.ed to be read a second time to• morrow The Distillation Prohibition Bill was read a Arc tinie, and ordered to be read a second tine to• morrow. The Spanish Red \Vine Drawback Bill was read a first time, and orde'red to be read a, second time to-morrow. MALT DT;TY BILL. On the Order of the Day being Tunred for the second readin2 of the Malt Duty Bill, Sir WILT.I.m DUNDAS objected to the Bill, on the geoinni.tblt in Scotland it would he injurious to the 1. , r01k.-er of corn. In the Bill of last Ses sion, o•!ly 55 boUrs were allowed for steeping ; jOund sufficient in Yorkshire, and it nded to 65 hours. In Scotland, which Id) further North,. the time, for steeping longer than even in Yorkshire. Few ,'r-aud - s 'were practised in Scotland,* though 'the temptation to them was increased by this Bill. After a few remarks froM Mr, LASCELLES, • Mr.•WnAa'rotc.said, that the Observations of his Right Hon.'Friend (Sir W. Dundas)were found ed in mistake. It was not true that the barley of Scotland wzs inferior to that of England., It was notorious that the barley principally used there in the distilleries was the .growth of Nor folk.; if then the Scotch distillers obtained what they required, that was' 100 hours - for steeping,' the consequence would be, that they might have two wettings in the place of one. With respect to frauds, the year 1809 alore there were 4541 in Scotland, in the distillation business, and only 1321 in England. The Rill was then read a secondtime. In a Committee of Supply, the sum of 13171. 4. was voted for building a Marshalsea Court. NV:IS GOLD COTN BILL. Mr. WEIITBRREAD said, that as the Report of the Gild Coin Bill was to be brought up ,that night, he was desirous first to have the sense, of the House' upon the Resolution that had been passed in a former Session, declaring, that, in public estimation, a guinea and a Bank .note ' were equivalent'. The I3esolution was then read, and Mr. WHITBREAD said,. that without t; Dulling the !louse any furthcr„he would move that the • Resolution he rescinded. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER CX piTSSed his determination to support the Res°lu ‘tion. . . Mr. WHITBREAD said, he would take the sense of the Hottse upon it. .. The Gallery was then cleared, and a division took place. Fur Mr. Whtbreadts Aga insit.it Majority again:s4 it 26 On being readmitted to the Gallenv, Mr. Hus 7 missos was upon his legs. He was, be said, di's: : posed to think' that .outside the walis of, that House it would be no easy matter to find any, per on who 'was of the same opinion, expressed in the Resolution upon which the House had di vic!ol. If any doubt was entertained of the fact, t het.ter•mode of proof could be adopted than rele i rring to the Bin' now upoh file table. ''he ,Chariecilor of the txchequer seemed to have gone The first consideration was, that the current coin of the country must have a fixed value.. The Se cond, That where paper currency exists, it must correspond to the denomination of the 'coin ; and the third, which led; to the Bill, That tQ prevent depreciation, it was necessary to establish by law, equivalency, between coin and paper, The result of. such a doctrine, as this would be, that even if bank paper were go far depreciated as that 10001. in that cerrency were necessary for the pur chase of a quartern loaf, still its value was equal to that of gold or silver.. The Chancellor of the ExChequer had himself admitted, that bank paper may be depreciated, by an allusion which he made upon a former occasion to the state of the cur rency in Ireland. He was convinced that that Right Honourable Gentlemen would not,. even upon -the ground of necessity, countenance any violati©n of the principles . of justice. He was surprised, however, how any person could re concile some parts of the present Bill to.such principles. Tie had been. informed that the Trea sury last year sent bank notes. to Canada for the purpose of paying the troops there. He did - not: know whether the notes were -wrapped up in papers having the resolution printed on them, but' this he knew, that they were disposed of at a dis count of 30'per cent. How, then, he would ask,, could any person establish the equivalency of such notes with coin ? Rehm] before voted forthis Bill, merely from The necessity lie saw of , having -re course to such a Measure, from the state in Which the currency of the country .was placed. With out such a Bill it could not be denied that debtors . might have been subjected to very grievous - hard ships, , He had, however, voted for the merely - from aleeling"of that necessity. lie was not one of the, persons who• considered the re strictions upon Bank payments in cash as a most happy discovery. There Were some who looked -upon it as a!grand financial invention, from which innumerable advantages were to arise. He considered it in that light. However he felt to wards the first part of the Bill, he could not but condemn the second . part... It was, in his opinion, a violation of all,law and justice. It was, inflict, not More or less than attempting by Act cf Par , - liament to make a p ar t equa l. t o t h e whoic7 and so far from producing the expected effect of forc ing guineas Into circulation at their nothinal wa lue; the very contrary was the conseqUence, inso much-that there was at the present tine hardly a guinea to be met with. He would venture to say, that of guineas had been exported from England since the.passing of this Act ; and this not through any want of •vigilance on the part of thelreasury, or on the park of the Custom-house Officers . , but-because. it lias impossible to prevent their being exported as, Under existing circum stances, the premium was much greater than ,the risk. It was said this Bill had the effect of pre venting two prices. He did not think that the existence of two prices would be found 8-Q : great an, evil as some Gentlemen imagined. . In Xing William's time, guineas had not been tied down .to 21 shillings, and. he knew of ,no great incou vcnicuce which had resulted from,its being other wise. Two prices-had existed in Ireland, and no very alarming inconvenience was.produced by it. This, he contended, was proved by several other instances which he brought forward. He was, however, of opinion, that a provision should be made, since the public creditors could only re ceivetheir dividends in Bank notes, that all other creditors for existing contracts should he paid, in the same way. ,The second part of the Bill he thought unnecessary. &.• - Mr. ROSE' answercil the principal arguments of the-last speaker, His Ri g ht li on , Friend had spoken of Prank notes sent to,,Canada being de, predated 30 per cent. He .knevrnot, where the Right. Hon. Gentleman, got his information, but he (Mr. R.) bad not learned that any hank notes had been sent to Canada. lie did not deny the truth of what bad been stated by his Right Hon. Friend, but was- ignorant of the fact of Bank notes having been sent there. If, however, notes had been sent to Canada, still he ,did not understand how they could he' depreciated 30 per cent, as Bank paper must at leasr be' equal to Bills of Exchange, as it visas payable at.sight in this coun try. Adverting to , the recommendation of •the Bullion Committee, to resume payments in specie at the end of two years, he thOught if ,any one point was more clearly established than another, it was this, that if their suggestiOn had been com plied with, it would have involved the co,mtry in difficulties from.which it never could have been extricated. To resnine cash payments within the two years was totally impraCticable, as gold could not be rirocur&l, and if it. had been procured, a new coinage would not have removed the evil. This. was proved most satisfactorily in the v,'rit ings of Mr. Parris, a Gentlemen wh o .w ro t e about- the middle of last century, who: had shewn that so long as gold did not come to the Mint at the standard price, the issu ing new coin would do no good, as it would I mmediately.. be melted , down. The present Bill had been rendered necessary by' 'a - Noble Lord, whom, as on a. former occasion, he would not .name. The most serious ineo nve ni cu Ci es wou ld i n his opinion result trom the establishment of two prices in this country. The, Right Hpn. Gent. had stated, that two prices existed in.lchig Wil liam's time, and that lie was not aware great in donvenienp',es mulled from this circumstance. Ile (Ir.-R..,) coald state that much conf us i on an d great inconvenience had resulted from it, and, twice in one year Parliament had found it .necessary to fix the value of the Guinea: 'Could not believe Guineas had gone to France through this Act, though he admitted many:had gone since it passed, as the balanceof trade had been against this country. He then proceeded to shew, by kvariety .of com parative tat.cinents, that the issues of Bank paper had nothing to do, either with th e rate o f Ex- change or NNith the price of gold. The surnswhich the ►►'ar and various circumstances had :Wade it ne- cessary to send out of tbe'country (which in one year had, amounted to no less than '2 4 ,(;0 0,0 00 .) added to the stoppage of our trade, sufficiently accounted for the high price of gold. 'This bill, if it did not keep, gold in the 'country could not ,have the eirect of sending it out, and he was most anxious that it should pass, to prevent the esta blishment of two prices, which he thought the greatest evil the .country had to dread „mug , presen, ate o things resulted not from,a flepreciation of .Bank paper, hut from the high Trice of gold. - He, however thought the value' of land, and its pro ductions, had `risen with it. .A man who received a guinea. in the ordinary course of.cieulatiOrr, had no rigl:t to dispose of it as litillion.for more than twenty-one shillings ; and fo him .wlio would dispose of it to his tradmuen for twenty-one shillings, it-was worth no Inure than a pound note and a shilling. Mr. PROTHEROE spoke in favour of the Bill, as it afforded protection to the Yeomanry of the country. r KESTONU. • 1.1 T.J t gt An Hon.. Member, whose name we could not learn, ; supported the Bill. The CHANCELLOR of the ExcliEaur.it offered a few words, in explanatioli of one point touched Upon by the last speaker but one, which were not distinctly heard in the gallery. Mr. WHITBREAD contended that this Bill would not prevent two prices obtaining in the country. Two prices were a1;.,-,ady in existence, for he had a letter in his pocket from Bath, which .stated that as many potatoes were bought in the market for 31. :3s. in gold, as • could be putaased for ,4/. 7s. in Bank paper. He again defended Lord King. , The practice o): buying and selling he as serted to have become universal, an . d this Bill went to make men who had guineas, hoard them, or dispose of them in contravention to the law. . Mr. PRESTON CXplailled. . lirr. Hy.rtpEßT declared' his opinion of the.eilui valenCy ofpaper and gold currency fOr all legal _.. purposes. He bud in all .his transactions received and paid tliCin indiscriminately. Sir EDWARD MAY spoke also in favour of the Bill. Mr. TirM. SMITH SpOkn ari'aillSt it. Mr. STF,PIIEN' and Mr—Alderman SMITH sup pcy ,ed it ; and after explanations from-Mr.Whit bre.ld, Mr. Huskisson, Mr. Rose, Mr. i'rotheroe, and a feWobservationS from Mr. Gurney, Who as cribed the depreciatiOn ot• papei• no Cto our ex tensive tra,:e, but our enormous debt, the ques tion was put. and carried without a division. The CUA.N . cru - mit of the EXCHEQUER moved, That the - Bill be read a third tione'•tomorrow.-- To which Mr.'Whitbread and Mr. W. Smith ob jected;' on account of its being unnsual'for the House to Meet on Saturday at this period of , the Session. After some conversation., the' motion Was ordered•to stand for Monday. The question of meeting to-morrow was again taken up ; and the Speaker observed; that if any Annual Bills of . Supply which had not. been debated, were in want of a step, the House was at all sessions in the habit.of meeting on the Saturday.- The opposi tion to this poini was then, given up. • The Household Bill went-through a Committee, the report received, and to be taken into further consideration on Monday. PALMPIRSTON presented the Army Esti mates, and gave notice tkat he woitid 'on Mon day, move for a sum, on account; in com mittea of Supply, on Monday;‘ iri:order to avoid any disciission of the subject till after the bob • 1 days. • Mr..-WnARToN moved for and obtained leave, to bring in a Bill to give,the Deputy Post Master a power of franking letters. It was read a first time Second reading on 'Monday. - Adjourned till To 7 -morrow (Saturday). PRIVATE ACTS OF PARLIAMENT. It may be useful to those who have occasion to obtain Private Acts of Parliament during the pre sent Session, to be informed, that Fridity, the 18th instant, is the last day on which Petitions for that purpose can be presented to the House of • Commons. MAILS, AantvED-1 Dublin. Due--1 Cadiz, 1 Lisbon, 1 Guernsey, - 1 Jersey, 1 Brazils, 9 Dublin, 5 Waterfurd.• PRICE, OF STOCKS TRIM DAY AT TWELVE WCLOCK: Consols THE SUN. So4RXI QUIS - JOICEIZE FALSUM AUDRAT ? LONDON, SATL'RDAI, DFCtMBER 12, 1812. • Dispatches were this morning received from Marquis WELLINGTON, dated Puente Guinahlo, on the 25th ult. The Allied Armies occupied pre cisely the same positions, and the enemy had made no movement since the date of the last Dispatches. Ourl)over letter yesterday mentioned ' the ar rival of a person at that port froM Dieppe, who had immediately set off for London. It was ,thediately rumourcd,.that this person was n -Mes senger with some propositions froth Prance. He is,, we nndersland, a gentleman of the name of 11ROWNE, who has resided a long time in France, and who obtained leave to come home in this Prussian vesel.—Several reports we - ie al;o spread in the course of the (lay of the death of BuoNA PARTE, and of his being taken prisoner, but they did not rest upon any authority.—Ac counts of the disturbed state of the Southern part of France continue to be received.—A. Gen tleman just arrived from Basle states., tlilit within a few weeks past, above 300 persons have been shot . in Marseilles for insurrectionary conduct. On Thursday, Count LikwEil, Ambassador Extraordinary from the Emperor of RUSSIA to our Court, landed at HanVich, from a Russian fri gate, accompanied by Count Woßorizow, his Se cretary of Legation. His Excellency and Suite arrived in town yesterday. Late accounts from Bilboa state a report that CAFFARELLI had.passed through Bayonne, on his way to Paris, with 2000 cavalry, and about 4000 infantry. MINA, it is added, pursued his rear guard to some distance. tic tt-. SECOND Fp- g r i u , SUN - FFICE, HALF-PAST .TWO o'cLOCII• Lieutenant-Colonel IigOWN, the 'Gentleman who 14nded-on Thursday evening at Dover frow Dieppe, Aide-de-Camp to the King . 0t Saxony. - He isiuerely come over to take pol- session of a considerable estate, to whieli has succeeded by the death ot his brother. Paris Papers of the sth had been received at Dieppe they conta;.a no fresh Bulletin, bit merely an -unofficial paragraph from Smolensk° , stating that the army was retreating in the beat order. • We have just received Lisbon Paper's . , from which the folk king are extracts LISBON, Nov. 29.—0 n the. 24th, the Held. quarters reached Freynada.. Respecting the movements' of the 'enemy, re port says, they have retired, some towards Sa in, a:a, and some towards Placentia and Tor ° Zamora, but nothing positive is known on this head. The Lisbon Gazette of the 30th November/ contains a short Dispatch from the Marquis ()i WELLINGTON, dated Freynada, 25th Novembe 6 stating, that the greater part of the eneuiy's forces which crossed the Tonnes had repasseil and that most of his missing soldiers had come io and joined their regiments. NAV AL NiIIAWS. • • w. PLYMOUTH, DEC. PQ.--Rer-Adriliral linvzo is to hoist his flag to-morrow on board the Ail' dromeda sloop of war,' for Gibraltar, which sliiP went out of harbour this day ; and will sail on Saturday next. Came down the harbOur and anchored in tlle Sound, after •havin4 been refitted, the Fortune? , Belle Poule, and Sybille frigates. Arrived the Mary, KINGSTON; from London; William, A NpEliStiN and the Ann, PINE, fro°, Exeter ;. Industry, from Arundel; au 4 the. Sully, PARKER, from Ipswich. Sailed the Superb man of war to the westward. PORTSMOUTH, DEC. 11.—Arrived his Majesty' ship I iao , Rear-Adthiral MORRIS, Orion nn. Crescent men of War, from the Baltic ; the Ccr delia, Calliope, and Woodlark - , with a convoy' from the Downs ; Dement, Partride,. and Star, from a cruize. Sailed his Majesty's ship ffot alio for t'atmerio; and the Pyramus for Plymouth. ship Cumberland will proCeeff fp;.m hence to' morrow, direct for Cork, to take convoy fro!'' thence for the West Indies ; the fidlo.win g C ow voy retrains at Spithead : hir Maje..3tv's ship; Tweed for Madeira;: Africa etnii Re , en:•e, lii Spain, Portugal, and Gibral:nr ; for the West IndieS ; and the Misietoe for Guernsey unit Jersey. FALMOUTH, DEC. 9.—Sailed this day the fol# , lowing pickets with mails : the Ladjt Enui Pelham for the Mediterranean, the Mar/boroughs for Lisbon, the Sandwich, for Cadiz, and die Gleaner ketch,' for Lisbon . , with a Messenger. Remain the . outward-bound West 'lndia ,con' voy under hi - ; Majesty's ship Seahorse. It is sup' posed they wait further orders, as.,the wind 110 been favourable all the day for their proceeding ; also the outward-hound Mediterranean convop nnder his Majesty's brig Linnet. Yesterday morning the brig Rase, of Liver:; 10 1, BOAZE, master . d rove on s h ore i n a h eavy gale o f wind at S. E. and received COnsiderahle damage ; her cargo of coals and potatoes has been landed) : and thin ingrning she was got off, the wind haring abated ; no other damage has been done among" the shipping. SHEERNESS, DEC. U.—Arrived • his Majesty's ships Ethalion, 'Podargits, and Renard, for th 4 northward ; the Zealous 74, and hasty gun-brig , with the first division of the Rus-ian fleet, consist'. ing of eight 'sail of the line, two frigates, o ne , - corvette, and one brig. Ihßwictf, DEC. 11 .-Put in here, by contrail winds, his Majesty's ship Mercurius, with 14 0 4 of outward-bOund.ships for Gottenburgh. The 2d division of the Russian fleet, consisting of 7 sail, passed upwards this morning. Th r ee more ships of the lice; and a frigate ancllo7H oa . this port, the weather being thick cud snowy-. NAVAL 13 Moiesr, - ortl! to-tin.* St Castle, Of 74 guns, off Breit. to the rank of Commander, and to command the Onyx sluol" Messy,. Thomas P.C. Morton, Thomas Sparks, and Frei ', rick William 1 - 111, :'‘fid , :;dproan, from the Gibraltar seyo,e• promoted to.'..te. rank of Lieutenants, .for their active at the sier or.Cadi z. Messrs. John Laoslie and F 4 .1w;; ,,1 Phillips, Midsllipmen, of the Nl 7 oodlark and Rose'sloops, )" the Baltic, proinoted ta the Emil; of Lieutenant, and appoio!A ed to their respective ships. Mr. John Parkman, mail, and a prisoner of war at Verdun, il;'nmoted to the raPS. of Lieutenant, We understand that five aliens, whose 'names ' arc Patron, Oberlin, La Roche, Trans, and Reiter , have been committed to Tothill-fields Bridewell, • for being at laeg-e without roper licenses. if the Magistracy throughout the kingdom do but exercise a vigilance in this Way, the Alien Office will be better enable() to - do the country service, by getting rid of suspicious foreigners, who maY thus be brought to light, and fewer French pri soners will find the means of escaping. The 7th Hussars will reach Uxbridge on Friday next, and will then relieve the - Prince Regent's Itegiment in London. The last volunteering from the English Militia into the Line for the 'present year is appointed to take place the 24th, 25th, and 26th of this month., Lieutenant-Colonel Coan has been dismissed from the South Down Militia, by the sentence of a Court- - Martial, which Iva's held ,at Omagh. I I