The Sun. — London, England, 1837-11-22 00:00:00

MiSTRUCTIVE HURRICANE AT NEW ORLEANS. ------ --- This city was oti the 6th of October last visited with a devastating q4IP, besides the yellow fever, which is raging with feartitl violence, and carries off upwards of 20 daily. The tolhwing, which has been extracted from journals of the city and the provinces near, appear to be the most aeercate p•irticulars On the 6th of October the city was visited with con lama rain, the wind blowing at the same time with great violence. Great damage was done to the shipping in the port, and the French ship Carolbw, from Cette, ready for sea, lost her mizenmast and bowsprit. The roof of the Citizen's Bank had suffered ; its roof, although fastened by strong iron bolts, ha.ing been carried off by the violence of '.he gale. The if nitie, whicn had arrived only the day previous, had lost her bowsprit. by collision o ith other vessels. In the evening the continu.mce of the gale raised the waters to such an elevation in the lake that it inundated the swamp rapidly, and by S P.M. three feet of water was in the Gas-house-;square, which, covering the valves, left the city in total darkness. The waters were still out on the Bth, and persons residing in the streets were obliged to go home in their boats. The burial ground was covered so ep that the dead remained unburied, and the new Ceme tery was i n th e lik e con diti o n. The new City Exchange was severely disfigured from the effects of the storm, as was also part of the marble frontage of the Bank, in Tou louse-street. The steamers Columbia, Mobile (best in the trade), and Pontchartrain, were half a-ground, with a small schooner, left high and dry on terra jirmn, and much doubt was entertained of their being got off. A steamer, called the 31erchant, had sunk, and it was feared that se veral se.,inen were lost. The steward and a blacksmith of the Columbia were missing, supposed to he drowned. The ship Lotus and bark Olive, which lay at the end of St. Joseph's, after parting from her moorings on shore, swung round, and tailed in the mud-bank, where they re mained with theirsheathings much stripped. The steamer, Fort Adams, undergoing repairs, was carried down as far as SlaugLer-house-point, in a sinking state, and before those on board succeeded in getting her into shoal water she had sunk to her hurricane deck ; little chance of recovery was entertained. Up the river, from Captain Wright's statement; it was learned that the hurricane had been felt severely. Several flat boats, between the river and Baton-range, deeply laden with corn, hay, and sundry articles of produce, destined for the New Orleans market, had either completely sunk or been driven ashore ; the crews, in most instances, providen tially escaping. On the 9th the city at the back was completely submerged, and all hopes of saving either the steamers Columbia, _Mobile, or Pontchartrain were abandoned. Only eight or ten dwelling houses at the edge of the lake remained standing, and those had received such serious injury that considerable repairs would be re quired. The building at the entrance of the Bayau had been overturned, and a man unknown killed in its fall. In one of the bathing establishments the proprietress saved her life with difficulty, but was necessitated to witness the death of her offspring, aged 12 years, without power of rescue. A hut belonging to some fishermen had been carried away, and the inhabitants not since heard of. Numerous small tenements had been prostrated, and the crops each side of the river were greatly injured. The estimates of the d amage susta i ne d h a d been numerous, but as none were relied upon at present for accuracy, it is for borne to state any sum. CURRENTS OF THE OCEAN.--A bottle was picked up last week in Machrehanish.bav, fire miles west of Camp belltown, Scotland, containing the following note :—" The bark Albion, of London, Robert Thompson master, from Gloucester, bound to Miramichi, in lat. 41, 22 N., and long. 43 55 15 W., 35 days out ; and I have had nothing but strong north-west g.des for 26 days, so that I cannot get to the northward. Whoever picks this up will please to make it knoWn, and oblige your humble servant, ROBERT THOMP SON.—Oct. 20, 1836." Last week the whole village of Ferrybridge was thrown into confusion owing to a report having spread that Rylah Richardson, a person living in the village, was murdered in his own house, by his wife, and her son, Robt. Lowther, who resided at Knottingley, a village close by. Lowther and his mother were both taken into custody, an inquest was held, and a post modem examination of the body taken ; and after hearing the surgeon's opinion, and examining several witnesses, the Jury returned a verdict of " wilful murder" against Robert Lowther, who was taken to York Castle. On Tuesday evening Richardson was in terred at Ferry Fryston, when a large body of people at tended ; the police were obliged to come for the wire's pro tection from the assembled multitude, who hanged and burnt her effigy before the door.—Doncaster Gazelle. It is, we presume, to Lord Lyndhurst that the public are indebted for the following piece of information respecting the cause of Sir Robert Peel's absence from the Guildhall banquet. The Right lion. Baronet, it seems, was prevented from doing honour to his own Sovereign, not by an engagement with the Sovereign of another nation, but with a personage of infinitely more importance. The pa ragraph is from the Quolidienne :—" The Morning Post is completely in the wrong when it attributes the absence of Sir Robert Peel from the banquet given to the Queen in Guildhall to an invitation from the King of the French to accompany him to Versailles. The absence of Sir Robert was designed ; he was glad of keeping away from the Whigs. He did not go to Versailles with the King, but he went over there with Lady Peel, the day after his ar rival at Paris, to spend a day with Lord and Lady Lynd hurst. Sir Robert Peel, during his stay in Paris, had no political interview with the King, or any Member of the Gevernment."—Morning Paper. MONTREAL, SEPT. 9.—We understand that an Indian was yesterday lodged in gaol, charged, along with another of his tribe, with the murder of seven individuals connected with the lion. Hudson's Bay Company. The murders are said to have been committed beyond the Rocky Mountains, and his companion, after for some time tludinz the vi.,;ilance of his pursuers, was at last taken, and shipped to England from some port on the shores of the Pacific Occan.—Arantstal He. ald. Tit E LORD MAYOR OF LONDON.—In haroducing an article which appeared in the Sunday newspapers under the head " The Lord Mayor approved of by the Queen," flue Stirling papers have the following observations :—" The following presentation of the Lord Mayor elect of London we place among our local news, because of its very great importance to our town. There is not, we are certain, en individual in the place who will not rejoice in the announce u;ent that any descendant of the munificent John Cowanc is in existence, and not 0:4 so, but also that he has borne himself so as to be counted worthy of being the first Ma gistrate of the flrst city in the world, and that too at a time when the citizens of (oat city, with Mr. John Cowane, their Lord Mayor, a t th e i r h ea d, are a b out to entertain their youthful Queen at a public dinner, which takes place this day. In our Opinion, the Town-council cannot do less than present this gentleman with the freedom of the burgh, handsomely bestowed at the expense of Cowane's Hospital, which is perfectly able to express gratitude to the de scendant of a man whose benevolence is daily diffusing comfort and satisfaction to hundreds of persons. We beg to inform his Lordship, that his ancestor's charity has been so well managed that it now yields annually several hun dred pounds more than the whole amount of the sum mor tified by this excellent and worthy man." The word "mor tified" means here " bequeathed." On the day after our October fair, a young man who gave his name J o h n H a ll, an d w h o stated himself to be servant to " Mr. Evans, the Speaker of the House of Com mons!" and that he had come into the country for the be nefit of his health, took lodgings at the house of Mr. S. Vaughan, a highly-respectable farmer, residing at Pencoid, in this county. He remained for a fortnight, conducting himself in such a manner as to lull suspicion, but on the night of the Bth inst. the lodger, who, there is no doubt, formed a part of the " swell mob," suddenly decameed, having broken open a box, and taken away 451. in 5/. notes of the Herefordshire Branch Bank, besides other moneys in gold and silver, amounting in the whole to 901. We subjoin a few particulars, which may assist in the detection of this scoundrel, for whom our active police arc on the look out. He is about 5 feet 6 inches high, light hair and complexion, with numerous eruptions on his face, and was dressed in an olive-coloured frock coat, black trousers, and waistcoat. He wore a gold ring with a white stone on his finger, and had a tortoise-shell cased watch in his pocket. The thief had also with him a dark red carpet bag containing a ribbed moselle stripped waistcoat, plaid moleskin trousers, silk stock with black buttons, the latter having the representation of a king's head upon them, &c. Among the silver stolen were some old coins, such as .ss. (id. pieces. The success which at tends the efforts of these vagabonds is a serious evil. Not one of the six swell mob taken up at our fair had much less than U. lOs. in good money on his person ; and two of them came to the city in a handsome gig, and with a capital horse.—Heref)rd Jou/ nal. COLOSgALCABBAGES.—A man in Paris, of the name of Obry, is said to have realised 2 0,0001. by adver tising the seed of a colossal cabbage, just introduced from New Zealand, which would grow to the height of fifteen feet, and which would have the effect o f i mproving the wool of the sheep that fed on it. This precious article was sold at one franc for each seed, and when sown produced merely common cabbages. One gentleman, who had laid out twenty francs for twenty seeds, determined to bring the cheat before a tribunal, and the fellow is now under arrest awaitigg his trial. The Gazette des Tribuneaux altYlitlia‘llifeiltrick has been simultaneously played off in .— Ntis; but in London the article has been Inn Cabbage, II Si op is t ot., I \ ;1„ , 1 1,747 -7Aft. ,t lA= EAST INDIA SHIPPING. ALrivals.—The Catherine, Rose, from Bengal, has arrived in the Downs—sailed June 11, Madras July 8, the Mauritius August 13, the Cape Sept. 19, and St. Helena Oct. 4 ; Cherub, Walker, from Singapore, has arrived off Plymouth— sailed June 19, Angar July 14, and St. Helena Sept. 18 ; Mary Sharp, Brown, from Siam, has arrived off Plymouth— sailed Singapore June 29, and St. Helena Sept. 21; Hope, Cockburn, from Bengal, has arrived at Liverpool—sailed July Carnarvon, Aldred, from New South Wales, has arrived off Scilly—sailed May 21; Africa, Skelton, from C,ylon, has arrived off Ushant—sailed July 14, the Mauritius Aug. 4, and St. Helena Sept. 16 ; Walmer, Robins, from the South Seas, has arrived in the Downs. The Mary Somerville, Roberts, from Liverpool to Calcutta, has put into Kingstown and be:wiled, with loss of rudder and water nearly up to her beams, having been on the Kish. Bank. .Arrivals at Singapore.—Her illjcsty's ship Zebra, M•Crea, May 18, from Malacca; her Majesty's ship Raleigh, Quin, May 20, from Manilla, and saile'l May 27, for China ; Com merce, Fleming. May 21, from China, an d sa il e d M a y 23, fur Batavia ; M ar y Eliza, Pattersv.n, May 28, and Brothers, Hall, May 31, from Bata - . - ia ; Sycd Khan, G dice, June 11, from Bombay, and sailed June 13, for China ; Bengal Packet, Sfeward, June 12, from Calcutta, and sailed June 14, for China ; Formidable, Stagg, June 18, from Liverpool ; Ilinda, Lo:lthian, June 28, from Liverpool and the Cape; De Ja vaan, June 28, from Calcutta. 1)(7u-tures from Singapore.—The llero, Small:rood, May 23, for Siam ; Sealer)) , Castle, Morgan, May 27, for China ; her Maj-sty's ship \Voile!, Stanlay, May 28, for Trincomalee ; Trident, Simpson, June 3, and Mary Eliza, Patterson, June 27, for London. Arrival at St. Helena.—The Lord Saumarez, Scarborough, Oct. —, from the Mauritius. Ships Spoken With.— The Wellington, Liddell, from Lon do❑ to Madras, Sept. 27, in lat. 38., long. 20. W. ; Barrett°, Jun., Saunderson, from London to Bengal, Oct. 7, lat. 3., long. 19. W., per Tamerlane. The following were the distinguished guests enter tained by his Grace the Duke of Wellington on Saturday at Ansley House :—Dukes of Rutland, Buccleuch, Beau fort, Northumberland, Leeds, Dorset, and Newcastle ; Marquisses of Salisbury, Exeter, and Camden ; Earls of Jersey, Wilton, De Grey, Ripon, Roden, Shaftesbury, and Winchilsea ; Viscounts Strangford and Canterbury ; Lords Kenyon, Ashburton, Ellenborougb, Redesdale, Cowley, Abinger, Stuart de Rothsay, Wharncliffe, &c. Lord Lynd hurst did not arrive from Paris in time to attend. Lady Lyndhurst has ❑ot accompanied the Noble Lord to England ; her Ladyship, with the sister and (laughter of hii Lordship, remains at Versailles uutil Febru ary, when she will come over for the season. The receipts of the house at Drury-lane Theatre on Wednesday night, when the Queen honoured it with her presence, amounted to upwards of 9001. A concert rnonstre was given at Vienna, on the sth inst., in the Imperial Riding-school. The orchestra was composed of 1,100 musicians, and by noon 5,000 auditors had taken their seats. The Emperor and Empress were present, and the " Creation" of Haydn was performed with a degree of precision and spirit seldom equalled. THE QUEEN.—During the time her Majesty, while Princess Victoria, was residing at Claremont, she was much in the habit of taking walks with her illustrious mo ther in the neighbourhood, to enjoy views of the fine country which surround Esher. In one of these excur sions, while walking in a beautiful and shady lane not far from the park, they found themselves close to an encamp ment of the Egyptian tribe, and had not long been in sight before the youthful Princess was addressed by a bright eyed girl with the usual words, " Tell your fortune, my dear ; you were born to good luck ; you shall have a Lord across the seas now ; you shall have seven children and a carriage to ride in," the poor little girl little knowing at the time to whom she addressed herself. The Princess was proceeding with the Duchess of Kent, when the girl asked her for a trifle to assist her poor mother, who was very ill : with a heart ever touched by the cry of poverty, our interesting young Queen quickly desired to be con ducted to the poor woman, whom they found extended on a hard and comfortless bed, suffering much. After leaving, a donation they departed ; but the following morning, not withstanding its being a day of drizzling rain, saw the cha ritable young Princess at the gipsey's encampment, followed by an attendant, carrying blankets, warm clothes, a black bonnet, food, &c., and appeared in no small degree delighted when the poor woman presented her with a beautiful, though s:varthy infant, which had been born during the night. The Princess, after requesting that the little stranger might be christened by the name of her attendant, Walter, left them amidst showers of blessings from the tribe. This story was related to a young lady by the gip sey, who was hired to sit for her picture.—Sunday Paper. Last night, about half -past six, a lady, genteelly dressed, about 3.5 years of age, was found on the stair lead ing to the upholstery warehouse of James Whyte and Son, Queen-street, in a state of insensibility, having evidently slipped a foot and fallen back on the stair, in consequence of which the back part of her skull was fractured. She was carried into the warehouse, and every assistance that tha best medical aid and humanity could suggest was afforded her. She had three rings on her fingers—one of them a marriage ring, having the letters J. W. A. K., and the date 7th November, 1827, engraved on the inside of it. She had on a crimson silk mantle, striped printed buff gown, white straw bonnet, lined with brown figured satin, and a black blond full net cap, with blond border. The shoes were marked inside, " Mrs. Wilson." Information having been conveyed to the police-office, Captain Miller was early on the spot, and everything has been done to find out the lady's relations, but us yet without success. Every infor mation will he given by Messrs. Whyte, or by Captain Miller, at the police-office. The lady died about eight this morning. —Glasgow Chronicle of Wednesday. PAISLEY.—The final sentence of Ann Semple ar rived on Thursday. Her punishment has been commuted to five years' imprisonment in Glasgow 13ridewell. About ten o'clock, on the 4th inst., two men, named Cook and Bromfield, accompanied by a large ferocious dog, were discovered la)ing snares for game in the Earl of Co ventrfs preserves, in the parish of Holy Cross, near Wor cster. The keeper immediately challenged the men, who set the dog upon him, the animal fastening on his throat, and dreadful y lacerating him. Assistance arrived, and a desperate encounter between the keepers and the poacher; took place, in which James Bromfield was killed, and Cook secured, and lodged in Worcester gaol. The keeper was so dreadfully lacerated that he was unable to attend before Thursday, when Cook was fully committed for trial at the next Assizes.—Worcester Journal. " When Lord Dudley Stuart," says the SiMc, " dined at the Tuileries a few days ago, another English nobleman present at the dinner remarked to him that he was more Polish than Enzlish. The Duchess of Orleans caught up the words, and, addressing Lord Stuart with wavily, said, My Lord, you could not have charged your self with a better cause, nor could the Poles have chosen a more worthy advocate.' These words of the Duchess, and the warmth with which they were pronounced, struck the persons assembled with astonishment. For a few seconds an embarrassing silence ensued, and it was remarked that the King, after the words of the Duchess, put Lis hand. on his heart and bowed, as a token of assent." The Lords of the Treasury having granted the favour of bonding tobacco to the port of Yarmouth, .5,000/. worth of manufactured tobacco was immediately deposited in the warehouses.—Bury Herald. A court-martial was held at Chatham on Monday, for the trial of Ensign Charles Sheffield Dickson, for con duct unbecoming the character of an officer and a gentle man, in having been seen on the evening of Sunday, the 17th of September, in a disgraceful state of intoxication in Chatham barracks, and while in that state with having fired off pistols loaded with powder and ball, thereby en dangering the lives of Ensign Irby, of the .51st regiment, and other officers of the same corps. The witnesses ex amined in support of the charge stated that Ensign Dick son had fired several times at Ensign Irby. The first time the cap went off, and the second time Ensign Irby struck the pistol away, and the ball lodged in the ceiling, and the prisoner afterwards fired through the door of a room, in which Ensign Irhy was with another officer. The Court adjourned till Friday to hear the prisoner's defence, when he expressed great contrition for his conduct, and said he was not conscious of any intention to injure any one. The sentence will not be promulgated till it has received the royal confirmation. On Saturday night, between eight and nine, a la bouring man named John Riley, who lived in John -street, Walworth, was brought into Charing Cross Hospital, suf fering under dreadful injuries received just before by falling from a second floor window of No. 8, Adelphi-terrace. He was on the sill, cleaning the window, when he let go his hold, and was precipitated head foremost on the footway. When raised up he was evidently dying, his whole struc ture having beesi literally smashed. He expired shortly after he reached the hospital. On Friday morning, be tween 10 an 11 o'clock, as a servant named Ann Pearce was cleaning the windows on the first floor of the house of James Broughton, Esq., of Gower-street, Bedford-square, she overbalanced herself, and fell upon the iron rails be neath, on one of which she hung until lifted off by some persons passing at the moment, who conveyed her to the hospital in a fainting state from loss of blood, where s he at present remains in a very precarious condition. We regret to state that Mr. Dowse,. the enterpris ing vanager of the Leeds, York, and Hull Theatres, has !net with a very serious accident. A few days ago, whilst joinin g in a dance on the stage, from some cause or other he was thrown down, by which he broke the tondo-Achilles rhap a s s renders the last s the e night F o w f , one leg, an d susta i ned considerable injury otherwise. circumstance ap m er o f r o e rrn to a b n e e: eg fo r r et t t h ed e is, i t ' l a .i t at i)e it was season on which the untoward event occurred. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—Nor. 21. The House resumed at three o'clock, and prayer.; having twen again read, the Earl of Shaftesbury took his seat on the Woolsack. Lord Kinnaird, Lord Monson, Lord Arbuihaot, Lord Lons dale. and some other Peers, took the oaths, and subscribed the Parliamentary roll. The House then adjourned during pleasure. The Lord Chancellor took his seat on the Woolsack at five o'clock, at which time there were about twenty Peers present. The LORD CHANCELLOR acquainted the [louse that the Peers appointed for that purpose had been to her Majesty with the Address agreed to by that House, and her Majesty had been graciously pleased to return the following answer:— " My Lords, I thank you for your .faithful and loyal Ad dress. I have learned, with great satisfaction, that you will devote yourselves to the consideration of the several measures I have recommended, and I rely entirely on your devotion to my service, and your zeal for the public welfare and tran quillity." On the motion of Earl SHAFTESBURY the Address and her Majesty's answer were ordered to be inserted in the. Journals of the House. IRELAND. The Earl of RODEN, in compliance with their Lordships' v. LAI last evening (and he was sure no one felt more sincerely than himself the importance of unanimity), had been induced to defer making any observations upon any part of her Thijesty's Speech, or upon any part of the Address that had been agreed to and carried up to her Majesty. He had felt as forcibly as any of their Lordships, that on so auspicious an occasion it was most important that nothing should be introduced likely to occasion the slightest difference of opinion in that flouic.—( Hear, hear.) But he freely confessed that he felt the course it was his duty to pursue one of extreme difficulty, because in that Address there were expressions which upon ordinary occasions he could not concur in. These expressions referred to the general tranquillity of the empire ; and if that expres sion was meant to include that part of the empire in which he ( Earl Roden) resided, and in which the Noble Earl opposite (Earl Mulgrave) also resided, he certainly should, have felt it his duty to state his opinion in opposition to those senti ments, and have taken the usual opportunity on the Address from the Throne being taken into consideration on the first day of the Session to enter more at length upon the subject. But under the circumstances of the case he had felt it his duty to give notice to the Noble Earl opposite that on Monday next it was his intention to move for the production of certain papers connected with that subject. Earl MULG RAVE was happy to find that the Noble Earl had thought it right to give him notice of his intention, rather than introduce the subject incidentally. There was no doubt that lie ( Lord Mulgrave) would be able to prove when the opportunity arrived, that the general tranquillity of that country was in as favourable a state as at any former period.—( Hear.) Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Nor. 21. The SPEAKER entered the House at a quarter before Four, and after prayers the gallery was opened for strangers, there being upwards of forty Members present. The Speaker ordered that those Members who had not yet been sworn should be admitted to take the oaths. About twelve or fourteen Members, amongst whom we recognised Mr. Byng, Member for Middlesex, Sir S. Whalley, and Captain Boldero, entered the House in a body, and took the oaths at the table. An HoN. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, ob tained leave to bring in a Bill to amend certain Turnpike road Acts for the county of Cambridge. Mr. SHEPHERD obtained leave to bring in a Bill for a Turnpike road in the neighbourhood of Warminster. Sir E. KNATCHBUL L gave notice that he would move for leave to bring in certain Local Bills for the county of Kent, the particulars of which we could not hear. Captain PECH EL L presented a petition from 235 mer chants, factors, and tradesmen, of the Borough of Brighton, praying that the Bill of which notice was last night given, re specting the extension of Sheriffs' Courts, be passed into a law. The Hon. Member also presented a petition praying that the Bill, for amending the law of Coverture, of which he had last night given notice, and which had so much amused some Hon. Members, might be passed into a law. In presenting this petition he had to observe, that although it was the first presented to the House, it deserved to be a model to all others, for it contained no more than seven lines—( Hear and a laugh) —and as he had the honour to present it, he felt that in doing so he was bound to imitate its brevity, which he hoped would he an example to other Honourable Members. ( Hear, and laughter.) The Hon. Member then presented a petition from 87 innkeepers, hotel-keepers, and tavern keepers of Brighton, complaining of the state of the law respecting their trade, by which they were compelled to restore property lost in their houses, although such property Gad not been placed in their hands, or in the hands of their servants ; and they prayed that the law would be so altered as to place them, in this respect, in the same situation as other tradesmen. BRISTOL ELECTION PETITION. Sir R. H. INGLIS presented a petition against the return for the city of Bristol. GUARDIANSHIP AND COPYRIGHT. Mr. Sergeant TA LFO UR D gave notice, that on the 14th of December, he would move for leave to bring in a Bill to alter the law relative to the Guardianship of Children of tender age. Also one fur regulating the law of Copyright. General JOHNSON gave notice that to-morrow he would move for certain returns connected with the Poor Law Bill. FEES. Mr. HUNT E presented a petition from Sir Robert Sidney, complaining of the Fees now payable on Election Petitions. The petitioner instanced one Committee of last year, where the fees alone amounted to 1,0501 , and prayed for inquiry into the subject. The lion. Member moved that the petition be printed and taken into consideration on Thursday next, when he would move that it be referred to a Select Committee. MILITARY PUNISHMENT. Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from Pollockshaws praying for the abolition of flogging in the army and navy. POLICE. Mr. HAVES gave notice that on Thursday next ho would move for the appointment of a Committee to inquire into the subject of Police regulations. Mr. BARNA BY gave notice that on Tuesday next he would move for a Committee to consider the laws relating to Highways : also one to consider the question as to the pro priety of Lunatics being confined in Houses of Correction and Gaols. Mr. G. F. YOUNG gave notice that, on the sth of De cember, he would move for leave to bring in a Bill to alter and amend the laws relating to mortgages on ships and vessels ; and on a future day he would move for a Committee to inquire into the expediency of erecting harbours of refuge on the most exposed coasts of the country. • Mr. STANLEY gave notice that on the 30th of November he woul I move for leave to bring in a Bill to provide for the education and improvement of the poorer classes in England ; and also he would move for leave to bring in another Bill to provide public walks in the vicinity of large towns. POST-OFFICE. Col. LEITH HAY presented petitions from Elgin and Banff, praying for reform of the Post-office arrangements, par ticularly in favour of Mr. Hill's plan. MANOR CO7.JRTS (IRELAND). Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL gave notice that he should on F:iday nest move for a Committee on Manor Courts in Ire land. CORN LAWS. Mr. VILLIERS gave notice that on the Ist of March he should submit a motion to the- House upon the subject of the Cor❑ Laws, with a view to their total repeal.—(Cheers.) LAW OF LIBEL. Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that ho should, on the 14th of December, more for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the law cf libel. PRIVATE BILLS. Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE gave notice that he should move for a Select Committee on Private Bills to-morrow. On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, it was agreed that the House would receive no petition for a Private Bill after Friday the I6th of February ; that no Private Bill should be read a first time after Monday the 22d of March ; and that the House would not receive any Report on such Private 13111 after Monday the 11th of June. DUTY ON BRICKS. An lloN. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, gave notice that on Fridry, the 2d of March next, lie should move a Resolu:ion that, on the 30th of September next, the duty on Bricks should cease. ELECTION PETITIONS. Mr. C. W. W. W YNN inquired of Lord J. Russell what course he intended to pursue with respect to election petitions. Lord J. RUSSELL said he intended to propose to the House, that no election petition be taken before the holidays. He did not intend to propose that the House should come to that resolution now, it not being a convenient time to consider that question. He should therefore now move that the first election petition be considered on the 12th of December next, merely fixing that day for the purpose of proposing the adjournment of that and other petitions to a future day, with the view of their being considered after the holidays.-- Agreed to. The petitions against the returns from Salford, Ipswich, Canterbury. Belfast, Petersfield, Bridgnorth, Sli go , B r i sto l, Honiton, Marylebone, and Longford (county) were accord ingly postponed for consideration till the 12th December. THE ADDRESS. Lord LE VE SON brought up the Report of the Com mittee appointed to frame an Address in answer to her Ma jesty's most Gracious Speech. Mr. LEADER, on the Report on the Address being brought up, said—l have some observations to oiler on one portion of it, which I abstained from making last night, as I did not wish to interfere with the tenor of the debate. But some mention of the _subject now becomes the more necessary, since the declaration of the Noble Lord, the Member for Stroud, that he would not consent to a reform in the representative system—a declaration which has taken from us all hope. It was ill-timed and most fatal to the Administration of which the Noble Lord is a member, and he mu s t not h e surprised if it deprives them of the confidence of the representatives of the people. —(Hear.) The eager joy displayed by the party opposite at that declaration must have convinced the Noble Lord of these facts. They hail him as a partisan to that compact which they consider for ever binding on the two sections of the aristocracy, but which has not been ratified by the sanction of the people.—(Laughter from the Opposition.) Sir, sneering allusions are made to the restless desire of change, and ridicule is thrown upon the idea of a reform of the Reform Act. Sir, to that I answer, that a people never ask for change through the mere desire of change—( Hear, hear, hear) but because they find their situation uneasy. — ( o h , oh, from the Tory earnestly ßenches.) unless A sapteh people, I say, never ask for change e ager l y an d find their situation intolerable.—(Che,ers e'ey from the Liberal benches.) And as to the ridicule thrown upon the Reform of the Reform Act, I say that the people arc as determined to have that Reform as they were determined to have the Reform Bill itself. 'l'hcy succeeded in that, why should they fail now ?—( Here the Hon. Member paused for a few seconds, which gave rise to ironical cheers from the Tory benches, amongst which the voice of Col. Sibthorp was re markable.) Sir (continued the lion. Member), lam neither surprised or disturbed by the ironical cheers of lion. Gentle men opposite.—( Hear, hear.) I believe, Sir, that the popular party nowhere is England has now any hope of popular mea sures from the present Government ; and if their wishes are treated with indifference by the Noble Lord and his col leagues, what can he expected from the Noble Lord by the people of a country who have less claim upon his attention and less power to enforce their claim ?—( I leas. ) The debate of last night has rendered imperative on me the introduction of the subject to which I am about to advert, and I regret that it should have fallen into my bands. That subject is the state of Louver Canada.—( Loud cries of Oh, oh ! answered by partial cheers.) Sir, it is not that. country alone that is inte rested in this subject; but I wish to show the House that ►esistance on the part of the Government to the just wishes of the people can drive a quiet, moral, and peaceable people almost into open revolt. I trust that the example will not be lost upon her Majesty's Government.—( Hear, hear, from several of the Irish Members.) My Hon. and Learned Friend, who was so long the able, honest, and eloquent advocate of the rights of Lower Canada, is no longer in this House.—( A laugh from the Tories. ) I deeply feel his loss, and the loss which the Liberal party, not only in Canada, but throughout the empire, sustains in his absence from the Hons.,. In undertaking to introdu ce thi s su bj ect , I d o not attempt to fill hi s pl a c e , but simply to bring the condition of the people of Lower Canada bet;tre the consideration of the House—a subject which has been frequently brought forward with unrivalled energy and eloquence by my Hon. Friend who is now absent. Allusion has been made in the Speech from the Throne to the subject of Canada—( Hear, hear,)—and the Noble Lord ( Lord John Russell) has been pleased to tell us that conciliatory measures will be proposed ; but what conciliatory measures may Canada expect from that leader of this House who positively tells us that he will resist to the utmost the wishes of the peo ple of this country, that he will not give here the redress which the people of Canada demand in reforming their representation.—( Great Cheering, and cries of " Oh, oh f')--That is the demand of the people of this country, and nowhere more than in the counties.—("Oh I" from Tories. ) Yes, and Hon. Gentlemen opposite will be told that by the almost unanimous voice of the counties themselves.—( Vehe ment cries of " No, no.") The resolutions of last session were said to be conciliatory, and we must suppose that the con ciliatory measures of this session will be of the same character. If the Noble Lord who proposed these resolutions ever had a hope of their having any good effect, he must have been much disappointed—he must now feel that his estimate of Canadian endurance was sadly erroneous. The resolutions were received in Canada as they deserved to be— with indignation and bitter animosity. The House of Assembly had asserted their just rights, and had declared that they looked upon the resolutions as unconstitu tional and tyrannical. The people of Canada having lost all hopes of obtaining justice from England, now declared that their only hope was in separation from the mother country. The Noble Lord perhaps thought that the Canadian people, being a quiet and peaceable race, would take the insult quietly ; but he must now be cured of that false opinion. When these resolutions were under consideration, the Noble Lord (Stan ley) had taunted the Government that though they showed their teeth they were afraid to bite ; and that taunt had not been without its baneful effect, for there bad since then been much persecution on the part of the Government. Many meetings had been held in Canada, at which the Resolutions were much condemned. Many of those who attended were deprived of their Commissions of the Peace. Some had been prosecuted : one in particular had indictments preferred against him before the Grand Jury, who ignored them ; but the Attorney-General for Canada, not satisfied with the conduct and finding of the Grand Jury, caused an ex officio information to issue against the same individual. That was one of the most tyrannical and vexatious proceed ings, and at the same time the most imprudent proceeding, that could be had recourse to. The Canadians were, at the pre sent moment, in a state almost of revolt. That the House might see that he was not at all exaggerating the unhappy state of that country, he would read two or three extracts from documents he had in his possession.—(l-I•ar.) They had been told in the last Parliament, that the question in Canada was between the English and the French Cana dians, and had nothing to do with the discussion of popular rights. In order to show that that was not the case, and that the English and Americans in Upper Canada feel for the Lower Canadians, and would act with them, _ _ _ he would read the proceedings that had taken place at Lanark, in Upper Canada, where the people went about armed, in order to protect themselves. At that meeting it was resolved that the resolutions of the Noble Lord were unjust, and they were denominated the atrocious reso lutions brought forward by Lord John Russell--(Loud cries of " Hear, hear")—and it was further resolved that those who submitted to such oppression were unworthy the name of freemen. The meeting determined to make com mon cause with the Lower Canadians. At Whitchurch, in Upper Canada, the resolutions were received with hatred and abhorrence, and the Meeting determined if Lord John Russell expressed his determination to adhere to the resolutions, that they would support the Lower Canadian!. At Bahia. similar meetings had taken place, and similar resolutions had been come to. Such was the manner in which the Noble Lord's conciliatory resolutions were viewed by the British po pulation of Upper Canada. It was desirable in all provinces subject to another country, that the Governor should be viewed with respect and admiration. Was that, he would ask, the case in Lower Canada ? Certainly not—( Hear)—for at a Meeting held there it was resolved that Lord Gosford had declared himself, by the course of conduct he had pur sued, to be an enemy of Lower Canada, and that he had dis graced himself by the deceit and duplicity with which he had acted ; and the only act for which they would have to thank him would be his departure from that country. They had been told that the Canadians would have confidence in the Parliaments of this country, as they were convinced that they would do Canada justice. The resolutions, however, which had been brought forward by the Noble Lord, and which had been adopted by the House, had taken away all such confidence, and the Canadians were now convinced that they had not much to expect either from the Noble Lord or the Parliament of this country.--( Hear, hear, and cheers. ) The following passage was from an Address to the Sons of Liberty in the North American Provinces, and he intrcated the attention of Hon. Members to it, because it showed more than anything else could the feelings of the Lower Canadians towards the English people. It was to the effect that the present degrading situation of their country being the result of mistaken reliance on British honour, it would be criminal in them to confine their resistance to simple remonstrance.— ( Hear, hear, hear.) A separa , ion had commenced be tween parties Khich would never be cemented, but which would go on increasing until one of those sudden and unforeseen events, which followed the march of time, af forded a fitti ng o pp or t un ity t o th em f or assuming their rank among the communities of America. The Address concluded with these words, " Two splendid opportunities have been lost, let us not be unprepared for the third." Ile ( Mr. Leader) thought these words might be applied to the people of Eng land. Two splendid opportunities for obtaining a system of real representative Government had been lost by the people of England, and lie sincerely trusted and hoped they would not let slip the next occasion that might present itself.—( Hear. ) Tney were told when the resolutions were discussed in tl.at House last Session, that the Canadians were such a patient and enduring people, that they would never think of fighting, and that they would never dare to oppose the power of Eng land. Did the House know what the determination of the Canadians now was ? At the permanent Co►xmittee it had been resolved that the Reformers who bad been to drill should form themselves in each parish in volunteer companies of militia, under the command of officers elected by militia officers. There were also constant allusions in the American Papers to the American war of independence, and to the manner in which the American troops fought against our troops there ; there were also constant allusions to the disasters of 13urgoyne, and the numerous disasters that disorganised the British armies in the American war of independence. In the Vindicator, of the 6th of October, there was the follow•i passage :—." The 83:1 Regiment, it is reported, is to he stati;i . ed at - Three Rivers during the winter—where will they be in the spring ?" Those words were repeated on several occasions whenever there was any allusion to the movement of troops, or to the purchase of horses or artillery —the same warning was always given—" where will they be in the spring ?" After the declaration made by the Noble Lord last night, those words seemed to be very applicable to the present condition of Ministers. Where will they be in the spring ?—( Laughter, and Hear, hear.) Not in their present condition as a Reform Ministry, independent of Tory support.—( Hear, hear.) He wished that the country and that House should be acquainted with the real state of Lower Canada ; therefore, at the earliest possible opportunity, he had introduced the subject. It was unfortunately the curse of this country to be involved in disgraceful wars with her co lonies through the injudicious conduct of the Executive.— ( Hear, hear.) He trusted that if there were to be any conciliatory measure it would fully satisfy the Cana dians; but nothing could satisfy them except the withdrawal of the resolutions, and acquiescence in their just demands. This he feared could not be expected from the present Go. vernment.—( Hear, hear.) If the rest of the Ministers meant to abide by the declaration of the Noble Lord last night, against all further improvement in the representative system, he L.) would tell them that their tenure of office as a liberal Ministry would be short indeed.— (Bear, hear.) li e la mented this for the sake of the Ministers themselves, for he had hoped better things of them.—( Laughter.) The Noble Lord (J. Russell) smiled at the idea of his (Mr. Leader) hoping anything good of him.—( Laughter.) li e (M.. Leader) could assure the Noble Lord, however, that he had hoped in this Parliament the Government would have intro duced really popular measures, and listened to the prayers of the people for the redress of their grievances, and the cry of the constituency for protection from the influence of corruption and intimidation which had almost driven them to despair. Loud cheers.) He lamented this the more for the temporary impediment that it might throw in the way of peace ful and calm reform.—( Cheers.) Above all, he regretted it for the sake of Ireland, for in that portion of the country alone had the present Ministry done real good—had conferred real benefit on the people.—(Cheers.) But whatever might be the result of the loss of power by the present Ministry, he re peated that it was utterly impossible fur them long to remain in office as a liberal Government, if they abided by the resolu tion of the Noble Lord to resist all Reform of the Reform Act.—( Cheers. ) Mfr. C. BU LLE R said he wished to call the attention of the Elena© not simply to the Speech from the Throne, but to the I unfortunate debate of lest night, every part of which, as a Refor i mer and friend to the Government, he deeply regretted. —( Loud Cheers.) He had shown them how enthetly he disapproved of the speech made by the Honourable Member for Finsbury who had chosen last night, in &Renee of the request of those who were quite as sincere supporters of Parliamentary Reform as himself, to bring forward the question in a manner, which even almost all the few who voted for it d (dared to be unseasonable and detrimental to those Reforms. Sir, it would be very difficult. with any kind of grace; regard being had to all the absurdity that took dace last night, to give the palm to any particular person. Ile generally judged that a person on his side of the House committed a blunder, when what he stated was met with approbation by the other side of the House. Applying this test it was ex tremely difficult to decide which received the greatest ap plause from the Tories-e-the Hon. Member far Finsbury , or the Noble Member for Stroud —( Hear, and laughter.) There was this difference, however, between the two, that there was no imnruilecce which the Noble Lord could commit that did not iufliet the greatest damage on the Reform Bill, and bit , terly disappoint the hopes of the people. He differed from many of the opinions expressed lest night by the Noble Lord, but he differed much more from him upon the point of the pro. priety and prudence of the tone and temper with which he took what had been stated by the lion. Member for Finsbury, and declared his unalterable determination not to amend or carry out any further the Reform Bill. From the tone and temper of the Noble Lord, who was not soon moved to excitement, it appeared to him that the Noble Lord had only wanted a pretext for quarrelling with a great number of those by whom he had heretofore b •en supported. •—•( Cheers.) He was sorry to be obtiged to say this, and he hoped the Nehle Lord would yet give him and those around him reason to thick otherwise; bat if the. Noble Lord was determined to take this course, he did right in avow- ing it.—( Cheers, and cries of " Hear, hear.") If he was tired of the assistance of those who had borne him jute office, he was right in tie owing away the orange after he had been refreshed from its juice. He (Mr. B.) only hoped he was on with the other side of the House before he was off with the side on which he was on:--(Hear.) But if he preferred the tenure of office by sufferance from the other side, rather than from the support of those who had hitherto supported him, he was certainly at liberty to make his own choice, only let the Reformers of England judge.--(Cheers. )—The Reformers of England would judge, and would feel deep indignation at those who brought the other side of the House into power--( Hear, hear)—and the people would know that it was not the fault of the Reformers on his side of the House, but the fault of the Noble Lord hiteself. Ile must say, and by this he begged not to be understood as being at all personal to the Noble Lord, that the language of the Noble Lord, with • respect to two of the guts tions which he was pleased to denounce last , night, surprised him very much.—( Hear, hear.) When the Noble Lord wanted the support of the advocates of the Ballot, he held a different language towards them. The Noble Lord, when he brought forward the Reform Bill in alluding to the Septennial Bill and the Ballot, took a very different tone indeed. Instead of then talking of the finality of the Reform Bill, he said that those other questions to which he had alluded would remain open to debate ; but by his declaration of last night, the Noble Lord had violated that pledge. Did the Noble Lord suppose, that if in that nicely balanced Parliament he had held such language as he had used last night towards the supporters of the Ballot, ha or his col leagues would have held office for one hour ?—( Hear, hear.) This was evident from the admissions even of tne opposite party. When the Ministry relied on the number of peti tions presented in favour of the Reform Bill, why the taunt of the Right Honourable Baronet and his supporters was that nearly all the petitions that were presented in favour of Reform, included a prayer for the * Ballot.—( Ilear, hear.) Indeed it was a matter that no one could deny, for on the petitions being separated it was found that nearly ten to one of the petitions presented for Reform included the Ballot.—( Hear.) He was satisfied that nothing had occurred since then to alter the minds of the people with respect to that question. I may offend (said Mr. B.), as, indeed, I believe I have before offended, the Noble Lord and his Colleagues by the declaration which lam about to make. He said it, how ever, gravely and deliberately, and after mature considera tion—namely, that the Reform Bill, as it worked during the three last elections, was an inadequate test of public opinion.— (Opposition cheers.) That the quantity of demoralization, cor ruption, and intimidation which it had given rise to - was such, that it was impossible for any civilized community to go on under such a barbarous system.—( Ironical cheers and laughter from the Opposition.) Hon. Gentlemen opposite might laugh, for they ought to be proud of the uses to which they had turned the Reform Bill. It would remain, however, with the people of England to decide how long they had to laugh at the exis tence of such an abuse.—( Hear.) He stood on the principle of the Reform Bill ; he wanted not its letter but its spirit. Did the Noble Lord and the Right Hon. Baronet suppose that the people in the support they gave the Reform Bill, gave their support to Schedules A or B, or any of the details ? —( Hear, hear, hear.) He emphatically denied that the people gave their ardent support to the principle laid down by Earl Grey, that we should not have nomination but representation.—( Cheers.) Now there was in existence a worse system of nomination than prevailed before the Reform Bill. He meant that the nomination was placed in more hands than before, but they had not the responsibility to public opinion which prevailed under the old system.—( Cheers.) He ( Mr. Buller) was quite willing to leave it to the country to decide, whether those who thought with him that the Reform Bill ought to be amended were Destructives or not. On such a question he cared not for the opinion of the Right Hon. Member for Tamworth, because however wellihe might be acquainted with politics, he had never yet been able to understand the feelings of the people. Not one great principle had he taken up from which he had not been driven by the feelings of the people.—( Loud cheers.) Throughout his life he had been the able and eloquent but the most inflexible opponent of every species of . Reform.--(Con tinued cheers.) He had no wish to embarrass her Majesty's Government—(Cheers)—but he wanted particularly to shew the country that there were in that House asore than 20 Mem bers who were their friends. He wanted to shew that there were many more than the twenty who voted last night who were in favour of an extension of the franchise—he wanted to show that there were more than twenty in that House who would give protection to the voter.—( Loud and repeated cheers.) The Noble Lord had not merely. objected to great and sweep ing changes, but he put the very worst construction upon his own words..--( Hear, and " No, no.") He must say that the Noble Lord had fallen into an error of presumption as great as that which the Duke of Wellington committed in 1830, if after the result which he had witnessed from the declaration of the Noble Duke, he tells the people of England that he will not extend to them the reform which they demand—that he will not extend the Suffrage to the great body of the people—in a word, that there shall be no Representative Government.— ( Cries of " Oh, oh," and cheers ) Lord J. RUSSELL then rose and said—Sir, I feel it ne cessary to answer the lion. Gentleman in respect to two points to which lie has adverted—( Hear, bear)—not only in respect to the subject before the House, but also in re spect to the allusion which the Hon. Member has made relating to myself. —( Hear.) Sir, with respect to myself, I must say that I very much regret that the Hon - . Gentleman, who, in the latter part of his speech made the admission, that what I had said must be t,lsett with some qualification should say that in my speech of last night I sought occasion to quarrel with my own supporters, and that I was seeking excuses for an alliance with another party. Now, Sir, I must say that a more base imputation could not be cast on the conduct of any public man, and Sir, in the face of the House and the country, I must say emphatically that the imputation is u tterly unfounded.—( Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman is right in stating that, when I spoke last night it was not altogether from the impulse of the moment, or without pre meditation, but that I had considered beforehand what was likely to occur in the debate on the Address. I had duly considered what was most likely to occur, and I came to the determination that if the debate should be confined to the topics of the Speech from the Throne, I should not throw out any allusion to topics upon which there might exist the least possible difference of opinion— ( Hear)—and which might be introduced by some of those Gentlemen on this side of the House, who have given the Government the most disinterested and honourable support during the time that we have had the honour of holding the seals of office. But my determination also was that if topics were introduced, which I had every reason to suppose would be introduced, and upon which I could not fail to have a strong opinion—if topics which I disapproved of, such as propositions for entertaining questions which I think can not be entertained without inflicting injury then it was my intention, whatever imputations might be cast upon me, and whatever obloquy I might incur, not to withhold the avowal of my opinions.—( Loud cheers.) Sir, I know not whether the House will agree with me, but certainly as far my impression went, and as far as my intention went, I did think the speech of the Hon. Member for Finsbury and the Hon. Member for Leeds, and indeed of the speech of the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, were speeches as offensive—( Great cheering) —as well could be made by gentlemen in this House, who pretended to that character.—( Cheers.) I did likewise and, as far as my interest was concerned, I will answer for it, in my reply to them—l did not mix up anything of a personal nature, but I confined myself to subjects of general interest.—( Hear, hear.) Well, Sir, but it seems that those opinions are opinions which the Hon. Member who spoke last, and some of the other Honourable Members who spoke last night, say will be injurious to the Government—( Cheers. ) Now I must say that I am not at all satisfied with the tone which gentlemen very often adopt in professing friendly counsel to the Government—(Cheers) —always basing it upon the topic that such a course of policy was the only one to pursue to ensure the stability of the Government.— ( Cheers.) Ido not pretend, far from it, to say that lam indifferent to the continuance of the Government in office.— (Cheers.) Ido not make any professions that I wish to hold office, or retire into private life—( Hear, and cheers)—but thi s Ido hope, if the question is between a continuance in office or between being pressed and forced into opinions which I do not avow—(Cheers) —and supporting .measures which I think would be injurious and destructive to the country, I do hope I may at least be removed from the imputation of making a dis honourable choice.--(Loud and continued cheering.) Well then, Sir, what was the grcat,topic of debate last night ? It was a topic that was forced on wantonly, and a topic which by no means belonged to the other topics in the speech of the Sove reign, or in the answer which should be mad e t o t h at speec h. Th different questions mooted last night might at any time have been brought forward in the shape of a Bill or motion ; and there can be no doubt that they would then have received a dispassionate consideration; but brought forward as they were, and being obliged, as I c once i ve d , to enter into that discus sion, 1 did not conceal from the House my opinion upon them.—( Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, the Member for Pslseard (Mr. C. Buller), seemed to think there was an inconsistency the 0 1 3 i" the Septennial Act and as regarded the Ballot, r . tato t nions I gave at the time the Reform Bill was propose: mist the at ;be time when the Reform Bill was pronod 'eptennisl in thine question of the Ballot, and the question of then it it wo od B:II, were not included in that Bill of liefarro ; "(Member of always be in the power of the Government, or of anar at Idid bops g arded this [Liaise, to treat that question as it thought fit ; t", L , a w tern however the House would pause before it sanctioi. at, that which would give entire responsibility to the voiteLn. they if they made any change in the durati mof Pai " cenveineet would not make that duration so short as to be to . .. 5 o f •of the homes both to the country and to the transtctions west I s ag., Parliament. Such, I believe, was the substance of than discourage them, but leaving them at all e ve . sir, am and the effect of it was to encourage those quesniitoin:prea_tufeorr future cansidcrntion.—(' Hear, hear, hear.) Well, now ready to declare what I thought at that CO it might appear, that the shortening the ,lit °f t Parliament, and the taking of votes by system which caul.l be safe'y introduced into our t , e and that in the course of the various discussions teke place in Parliament, and its the country, that Lt i ll .a b r. ) he the result which the Legislature might arrive atl o r .. ' r u se o f But I kept my mind ready to watch the progress an ___ (lssts events, and judge, as I thought, what was best Sir,fur the in c ". cc ' adi of the country, in that respect. Now, f h a ve to say, that with •respect to the duration of Perliame-nt boy, always thought that three years was too short, and , _ 0. 1 ; but repeatedly said that seven years was unnecessarily I)" tar, ce be that really the question was nut of very great impor t , _ ta king twee', five and s( ven years. With respect likewise to ne , o the votes by Ballot, I do not attach so much imp i o n that question by itself as many others do. It is a tl, it e ' the t of very considerable importance; but I always theu.;,el inetg , one of the strongest objections to it was its probabtoscioot eieney.—( Hear, hear.) Ido not think that by ,p r i o a secu' ity can be obtained, or intimidation prevented•bects`_'.e of " Hear, hear.") I make these observations, not u; ao ., am going to enter further into these questions, but becau .n ' the going to remark upon what appeared contradictory il d late discussions with respect to these questions a connected with them --(Hear, hear.) Th those who are advocates for the Ballot say that same time the Suffrage ought to be extended, tn"es; say to Household Suffrage. •Well, then, if it wer e ,it tended to Household Suffrage, would it be advisable to ba y e c extended to the small boroughs ? A gentleman who gavexl7, - -c greater tanitrttu°:, dence before the Intimidation Committee, of considerable u...0e0 rience and sagacity, and who holds very strong opinion: 101 l the subject, I mean Mr. Parkes, states that in tb boroughs, if the Suffrage were so extended, bribery wont° ; I %w vail to a very great extent.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) Hon. Member for Kilkenny is another authority on the ject, and he tells us that he is an advoc ate s srep Household Suffrage, but observe, be considers it only as late ly to Universal Suffrage. Another gentleman, who was wed Member for Liverpool, I mean Mr. Ewart, has a ddress of a pamphlet to the public on the subject of the ref,ci.r;eo, the Reform Bill, and the Honourable Gen tle r ot the Member for Westminster, advocates very g ot , changes, of which the Ballot forms a part and only l ! f . P o oss , ' Now, taking all these circu m st an c es t o gether, even tßallot disposed to think that these opinions in favour of the osiog were right, I am obliged to stop and consider, suPP, the e Parliament were to in s tit u t e th e vo t e by Ballot, would ballot in itself form the termination of these discuss:y.7) with respect to the constitution of this House ?--( 8e . ) w e The Hon. Member f o r Li s k ear d sa y s it i s d e sirable, when ere settle these questions, that it should b e finally, and th at t be should not be a perpetual recurrence to them. Now this IS be. doctrine that all Hon. Gentlemen would de disposed to adopt,_"cf cause it is the doctrine of c o mmo n s e nse , i n or d e r that the ti n l t o Parliament may be devoted t o p ar ti a l re f orm s with regar'7:oo the state, to finance, and oth er ma tt ers . Th a t is the doe tr ' i f of all those who consider that the time of Parliame nt L.t occupied in continual constituti ona l c h ange s, must be dos to those other us e f u l, e ff ec t ua l, an d practical refo r b o ... Why, then, agreeing with the Hon. Gentleman that sue al, case is not desirable, I com e t o th e conc l us i on that if the P lot were adopted alone, or if the shortening the duration ° ld Parliament were adopted alone at the present time, it w °l/ 0 not either so far satisfy men with regard to the Re w ieto Bill, or make it appear to them a eeln,P n „, act as that we should not be immediately required—ann Itaps very rationally required--to have farther changteisio For observing now with respect to this question of , Ballot itself, those who have not the S u ff rage , and comp of the limitation of the 101. Suffrage, they feel that tho u of they have not the Suffrage they have the power 4- knowing how each of their neighbours vote ; hu e „ f , very much apprehend, that if that vote were see r ` ht if the Suffrage were secret, they would th en sa y, you arc rig e in establishing secret Suffrage, but with that the frane bis t ought to be far more extend e d. I thi n k it wou ld be rationa l °‘ say so. Why then, I can h ar dly en t er u p on one o f t h o se cours e without lam prepared to pursue it. I saw very lately an f o r count of a meeting i n th e newspapers , w hi c h too k place, (3 0 the purpose of supporting the Ballot, which ended with soil l other person taki ng th e c h a i r , an d i ts b e i ng d ec l are d that du. h Ballot would be a d e l us i on on the p u bli c , un l ess th e re 0 85 3 further extension o f the S u ff rage .—( H ear , h ear .) I Ittn' t t i therefore, really consider those questions together, 11 , 1 : 1 t consider myself as now speaking, n o t i n th e y e ar 1831, n u as speaking in the year 1837, and seeing the experience I haver inquire whether it is, or is not, for the advantage of that country to adopt any one of those plans, taking for granted _ if you do so, you must re-construct the Reform Act ; that you must extend the Suffrage ; that you must abolish, accord ing ing to one gentleman, many of the small boroughs; and that you must consequently disturb, according to another, what re; quires care, that harmony which exists between the agricultur e " the manufacturing, and the o ther int eres t s o f t h e country.' (Cheers from the Tory side.) I may be entirely mistaken that question—my views may be entirely erroneous the evil of the present system—as Ido not think it d e ; serves the epithets the Hon. Gentleman has applied to it--ho Ido say it is better for us rath e r t o t r y t o a mend th e , present system in its details, a n d t o endeavo ur to carry on the business of th e coun try Ode s ; the Reform Act, than it is for us t o a tt em pt anY system of Suffrage.—(Much cheering from th e Tory siee ) ' s Gentlemen who reproach me by sa yi ng , we must n° o shut our eyes to the fact, that there is a small majority ont h o other side of the House, and that it req u i res pl ans to awak e s popular enthusiasm, will understand me, when I say I an) 110 t prepared to adopt an y pl ans on thi s account on t h e prese ti f occasion. —(Renewed cheering on the Tory benches.) d must consider the general interests of the country as correct . ° t . here.'—( Cheers.) But if they tell me not to be blind to 00 situation in this House, I must ask them likewise not to h e blind to our situation in the country.--( Great cheering from the Opposition.) 1 thought, and I stated it to this House the third reading of the Reform Bill, that it would gl do preponderance to the lauded interest. I did think, and I think so still, that it prep o nder a t es , b u t th a t prepondera nce tended to the general stability of the institutions of the countryi; I think that if you are to frame a plan of Reform in wO e you are to give weight only to the great towns, and 1 0 1 1 out the opinions of the great l an d e d p ro p r ietors el l gentleman farmers, you would be introducing a s Y lfr • tern of disorder to an extent which th ose w h o we re then I n ; justly deprived of the franchis e wou ld never b e sa ti s fied 101 _, De o that Government, until they h a d res t ore d t o th e m the balance of power they were entitled to.—( Cheers.) I ° T ! say I think with respect to a large portion of the landed In:, terest—l speak not of the aristocracy, but of the e farmers of all kinds—l do not think that even my opinio n still lest those of the lion. Member for Westminster, are F i ji pular with them.-_( Cheers.) Therefore when we are ° se . that there is a very great opposition on the other side o f to House, although I think that there are many unfair dealing' ' upon some occasions, I cannot but concede that there is t t he same time a considerable opinion, especially in the counties'''. pinions ot I think upon erroneous ground, but still fairly and console; tiouslv entertained —against the measures we have propose —(Cheers.) L oo ki ng to the future interests of the co untrli I for one, therefore, am not prepared to go into these gen er , a questions, whi c h, I think, must make a whole and entire n, form Act necessary.—( Cheers.) At the same time the HS I Member misrepresents me when lie states that I said I l" rst agree to no one alteration whatever of the Reform Act• be it front me to have thought or stated that the Reform A r ' . , was " one such entire and perfect chrysolite. On the contrary, I stated last night that with respect to nude. parts, parts, registration in particular, amendments might be m ad Ido not think any party can justly say that they will ion , entirely upon - the Reform Act' without any kind of alterat by —( Ilear, hear.) /The alterations made three years age±„ th which the Justices et Quarter Sessions were empoeered, "( Hear, hes e l the consent of the Crown, to double, treble, and qued rl if e . ' the number of the polli ng pl aces i s an a lteration of th e form Act.—( Hear, he ar .) Si r , I rose me rely to state to• ley House the reasons f or w hi c h I spoke last nig ) but 1 ha ve pained to the Hous e the groun d s upon which I acted. __b e t seeking no coaliti on w i t h any opposite party.—( Cheers) ,aie I do feel that in th e s i tuat i on w hi c h I h o ld, i n the present sissed of the country, if I had withheld the opinions I exP r e, oe . last night, I should not have been acting as became that sit —(Hear, bear.) tion. I might have been reproached with culpable eve country, I trust that baying proposed great measures,ct so But be we or be we not the Ministers an f having carried many of those measures, we shall not s tory unfaithfully, and so treacherously, and so basely to the cp_ u ra i r which has supported us hitherto, as to refuse to them at ere-- expression of our opinions, or a free vote on behalf of the t 4 interests of the country, whenever those interests are Place in jeopardy by any proposition of any kind whatsoever. ,r) ,. the Mr. GRO . TE.—So far cs regarded the caudourne I_ool4 not possibly Noble Lord, both last night and this night, he for e o rs s u t g ay find fault ; but having said so much, h.. u After that that was all the commendation he deserved _ ha ve having rddressed the House last night, he would no t agar i vrh i c h troubled them so soon, had it not been for the manoer i n had b i g orthe Noble L or d, b ot h on t hi s occas ion, and last nn d hard treated the que s ti on o f t h e B a llot. The No ble frot h t he treated that question as if it could not be separa_ s o„'' a mol te : other questions of the S u ff ra ge and Triennia l Friendr (Nlrr So far from treating th em i n that way, his fle e- 0 os itions , t . ) l , Wakley) had l as t n i g ht b roug ht down his P r , P iatig h,)-- 4 them,—(A as the Noble Lord called the,—(". r s these r o ePer r s ; three separate p a p e rs, b u t th e N o ble Lord ta ke I. fl uglito , ) qu o and throws all the powders into one. —(1-• dis cl !' o ble was not the slightest necessity for such a cou i r w s n e y — ; the s ed tions were clearly distinct ones, and he had a , the N I the Ballot on its own merits, and deali ng (Mr: G ro te) 18811 Lord ought co have done, the same. Ile s _odd thensed given a notice of motion for the Ballot, and he le one; etit a he had always done, discuss the question as a -ll'is arc(' to di ucs" • he trusted the Noble Lord would then be prep . __ en the. 3 the it on the same single grounds—he would not m ix or r or to tion of the Ballot with an extension of the Fran chise, w rer al question of Triennial Parliaments, though vote for them both. On that discussion he e the que' ble Lord would not take an unfair adyantage belrus!ed tbe-tiont 1 TH E SUN, LONDON, WEI,NESDAY, NOVEMBER 2 1837.