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the crimes mentioned in this act, and punishable in The man ner therein described." Tide act, therefore, left the. King with the power which he undoithtely possessed, of dismiss- Mg any servants whom lie pleased—a power necessary to his dignity and his independence. The case of Captain Caulfield of the navy, which had been mentioned, was of a very differ ing description from the other cases put by the Honourable Gentleman. lie was tried by a court-martial: the Admiralty, thinking the sentence of that Court not suffieiently severe, dis missed him from the service, independently of the 'finding of the court-martial. The Crown.contirmed this dismission, and in so doing was undoubtedly improperly advised.—('Hear! ) —But if the linnoitrable Gentlemen meant to -say that the Judges, in delivering their opinion upon Captain ,Caulfield's inlinlateit that the King had not the perwer,of dismissing any of his servants, he ( Lord Palmerston,) moat protest that their opinion would bear no such constvittaion. The Hon. Uentleman had said, that since the . year 4794, noless than 999 officers, whom he denominated the victims of injustice and op. peession, had been dismissed the service. it would be found, however, that the ground of dismilision,irerespectto the greater' numberof these officers, was, their being. absent without leave. He (Lord Palmerston) should flatter himself with a hope of being able, should it be.consittered necessary, to rove that in alt these eases the Crown had been.as , well advised, and he had shown it to have been in respect of a case mentioned on a for. mer night. On that occasion the lion. Gentleman did him the favour to infOrm hint beforehand, Abet he meant to bring it foreu 'rd and perhaps the lion. Gentleman's ill success in that instance had intuited him now to advert to 9 or 10 cases lancets. sively, in the well.grounded belief that he (Lord Palmerston) would be proportionably less prepared to meet him upon the isolated case in question.--4(A laugh.)—ln the year 17 3 4 this prerogative had been admitted, by those who most quee tioned its propriety, to be vested , in the 'Crown. To show its! expediency, however, let the House suppose the case of are officer accused Of cruelty to part of any hostile population ;• should he be to be tried by a court-martial composed of officers, every one of whom should have been guilty possibly, of the , same offence, and the consequence would naturallyhe an ac qaittal. Would it be objectinable that the Crown-should in . Were under such a state of things, .and. do that justice which thirCoun would not do.? It was•onlyalie other night, on the contrary, that the Hon. Gentlenten opposite—those who alw*ys . professed themselves:the friends of liberty, humanity, and strict. justice--onmplained; :in discussing a particular case, 'that a Court-martial had violated its duty by returning too lenient a sentence. Suppose that there an acquittal had•been returned, would not the Crown have been petitioned.tolevise the sentence of die Court?--(Hear l)—Let them suppose, aain, the case of an officer guilty of some crime cognizable by the •civil tribunals of country, how would the civil law en force his obedience to its Injunctions ? Did any one sup pose that a constable, with a warrant in one hand, and his staf in the other, would be any thing r like a match for a General Officer supported by six or seven hundred bayenets?— oillearls—lf the views of the lion. Gentlemen went° be curried into effect, it would be impossible to enferce ahe laWs by which the army was governed, except by the instrumentality of the army itself. The case of Colonel Allen, which had been referred to on a former evening, would land a clue to the con sequence that would result from such a system. Colonel Allen, It would be recollected, demanded to be triedby a coutt.martial, upon a charge arising out of a complaint made by his com manding officer. Ithappened that the Colonel was tried, not only upon that particular charge, but also upon two others. Colonel Allen complained of that circumstance, and said that it was gross Injustice to try hhu upon any other charge titan that which he had himself desired to be brought to trial upon. t He (Lord Palniereton) believed that if the lion. Uendeman's clause were agreed to, every officer would, like Colonel Allen,' object, to be tried upon any charges except what they them selves should set up. By acceding to the amendment, the House would create a fourth estate in the kingdom; it would convert the army into a power most dangerous to the country. Instead of being subordinate to the proper authorities, and Incorporated with the practice of our constitution, the army would be changed into a corps of Mamelukes, which would •very soon overthrow the laws and annihilate all power but their • own.—(Hear 1) Mr. C. 11. HUTCHINSON maintained that the power of dismissing officers without previously bringing them to trial was a prerogative which the King ought not to possess. lie believed that the late Emperor of Frame, anti be was certain that the present King of that country, did not possess that power. There had been instances recently of distinguished French officers being tried for state offences, • and yet retaining their rank. The King of France,could refrain from employing military officer*, but tto could not dismiss theme that could only be done by the sentence of a court-martial. He believed that he might go still further anti say, that not even the most despotic Governments possessed the powerwhich was said to be vested in the Crown of England. lie agreed with the Noble I,otti that the prerogative which was claimed for the King of ,England ought to be, and lie belayed that it generally 'was, exercised for the interests of the people, and in support of the dig. .inty of the Crown. lint whilst lie admitted that the kingly proogative was generally exercised with humanity •and for. hearance, he was bound to declare that there were instances •in which great injustice would have been prevented, if officers, both naval and military, had been afforded an opportunity of . defending themselves before a court-inertial. The case of his Gallant Friend, the Member fin Southwark, was one-of those .instances. 41' . that , distinguished officer, covered as he was with the lionottniblerrewanis which he had earned in so many bloody contests, had been tried by a court-martial, he would have been acquitted, not on account of the considerations to which he (Mr. Hutchinson) had just ellittled, .but upon the mere merits of the case. So confident was he of the propriety of the conduct of his lion.,Friend, that he did not hesitate to declare his conviction, that if Ministers had known the circum stances of the case before the Gallant Officer was slistnitoied, they would not have consented to the woceetling. Sir tßobert Wilson had committed no offence,—(lieur !)—but his exertions, had prevented the spilling of blood.-411ear it—lied it not been his interference, many lives must have been lost, aml the city must have been thrown into such a suite of confutdan, that all the powers of Government would have been ineffectual to prevent the most terrible disasters.—(llcari)—lie (Mr. II.) trusted that a moment of calm reflection would at length arrive, when justice would be done his Gallant Friend by restoring 'him to the rank which he deserved, and giving to the profes .sion to which he Mowed the adventage of possessing so breve, lei experienced, and so talented an officer.---(hear Mr. 11. GURNEY addressed a few observations to the Dew, hut from the circumstance of his epeaking in a low tone of voice he was quite inaudible in the gallery. Mr. HUNK observed, that die Honourable Member who spoke last had said, that lie thougfr the King ought to possess the power of dismissing his own ffie:rs ; but he (Mr. Hume) would maintain that the Army was no the servant of the King, hut of the State, and the King was only required, as Chief Ma •giatrate of the otte, to administer justice to it. There was a wide distinction between the power witich the King possessed of disrniesirig his own servants, and that which was claimed for hint of dismissing Military and Naval Officers. The Noble Lord opposite commenced his winiech by admitting, that the fuundation of .all prerogative was utility ; but he had failed to show wherein consisted the utility of the particular pre eiegative in question. The Acts to which the Noble Lord lad alluded were passed at a period when the kingly prerogatives were the subject of dispute between the Crown and the people. thattime, teeny of the prerogatives of the Crown had been annulled, and the King now of none, except those which were given to him by Act of' Parliament. If that were 1101, the case, why should it be necessary to pass an Act of Par. Lament annually to continue those prerogatives ? The army existed only by the passing of the Bill before the House tf the Bill did not pass, there would be no army ; and if there were no army there could be no prerogative.—(Laughter.)._ The lionourahle Member reform) to the Mutiny:act of last year, which, he observed, provided that individuals in the ertny who annutitted any of the offences recited in the Act, should coffer the punishments that might be awarded by a ourt.martial but there was no part of the Act which gave to the King the pOwer of cashiering officers. To be sure, the Noble lebrd had said, that by section 35 of the Act the King had the power of establishing artidee of veer Which were to be recognized in all Courts of Justice, and one of which declared that the King might dismiss officers: but the Noble Lord could not fail to know, that in every Act of Parliement which wait passed, provision Way made that no regulation* should be framed fur carrying the Act into effect, which were conttary, to the spirit of the Act itself.— Non he (Mr. Hume) contented that the assumed right of cashiering officers was oppo*ed to, the spirit of the Act. The Noble Lord had asked bow the prerogative could be dispensed with in the case of a inutinoue garrison. Ile would ask the Nuble lend of what use the prerogative would be under such m circustances ? Mutineers usually - placed themselves beyond all power, and listened to nothing but their own will. Be therefore thought that the argument of the Noble Lord must fill titi the ground. There were doubtless advantages and dig.. advantages; attached to both the modes of proceeding with re. steel to others --namely, by a dismission by the Crown, and by a trial by a coon-martial ; but he believed that, upon a fair eettuparitton, the balance would be found in favour of the fat ter. Certainly, nothing could be so bad as the tyratnly and ovally of disiniseing an individual who, perhaps, had served Ids country for 25 or 30 years, without affording him an op. i partunity of exculpating himself. • Mr. C. W. WI NN said, that he lied now for the first time beard it asserted in that noose or elsewhere, that the King of England postosed no prerogatives, except what were granted to him by Acts of rerliantent.--(llear, hear.)-a-The 800. Unntlemart, with his groat legal knowledge, would periseps con. wend tort out the p a rticular acts, nay, ti & e particular seeding of e Arta, by which a few trifling prerogatives—such, for instance, asthe power of making war and peace, and of as sembling and dissolving Parliament—were secured to the Crown.—(Cheers and laughter.)—The Hon. gent. had said that there was nothing in the Mutiny Act which gave the King authority to dismiss an officer. Let the lion. Bent. consider how far his argument might he carried. ])id he mean to con tend that the King could not dismiss a private soldier, for mis conduct—that he could nut disband a mutinous regiment with out bringing every individual in it to trial by Court-martiai ? If there was any thing in the lion. Gentleman's argument, it must go to that extent.—(llear.)—lie believed tliat:theprero gative in question might int used most beneficially for tits pub lie, in eases in which it would be imprudent to subject o ffi cers to a trial by a Court-martial.--Allearl) Lord lIOTHAM was of opinion, that a prerogative which had been exercised for so long a period must have some faun. dation in law. The last objection which he should notice was, that there was danger to the Constitution in the assumption of this prerogative. lie had frequently heard fears of dangerto the Constitution expressed on the other (the Opposition) side of the Houser butas'a appeared to hint, the only danger to the ,Constitution, connected with the subject, would arise from the motion of the lion. and gallant Member (Col. Davies), Wear lied in The affirmative.; ifor he confessed he could not see a greater 'source of danger than an army independent of the .Crown.—.(hear, hear !)----dt :had been said that officers of the .army ought to enjoy the same OW - lieges as other subjects. Now he had spent a great-part, and , certainly the most pleasant part of his life, in the army, and no man could be more an. xious than he for the general interest and welfare of the ser. vice; but lie could not consent to give the kind of privilege now sought for. because he thought it would be no advantage I to the officers individually, but would be a great risk to the ;country. Sir F. BLAKE could not consent to the motion, but he thought that in cases (of dismissal of the nature alluded to, some compensation ought to be given to officers. For his own part, he would say, that in a corps which he had had the ha nour of commanding, 'he had found the great advantage, in point of strict discipline, from the power , givento Colonels of reducing non-commissioned officers to the ranks t ,and 111 that power was .not disputed, he did not see why the Sovereign should not have power over commissioned officers. The question was now put, and the amendment was nega- , tived without a division. • The original question, " that, the. Speaker do leave the chair," I was then put and carried. The House having gone intothe Committee, Mr. BRAN; DEN i.the Chairman) put the question, that the Bill he read a first time, (Colonel DAVIES rose, and proceeded to reply to the ob. •ervations of the Noble Lord (Palmerston) made in the former stage of the M. Ile contended, that the lath and 14th of Charles 11., on which the Noble Lord founded most of his remarks, ha d nothing to do with the question. If as the No ble Lord asserted, the Crown had this mighty prerogative, what was the use of passing . the Mutiny Bill in such a hurry, or what was the use of passing it at all ? The real truth was, that the 11111 was pressed, because it was known, that if the Bill were not passed before the 24th, the soldiers would be dis embodied. Mr. C. NV. WYNN here rose to order. It was, he consi dered, irregular for any Member to reply.direcdy, in one stage of a Bill, the-observations of another Member, made in a former stage. The CHAMMAN' said it was not strictly regular to reply to speech an one made in a former stage, but he thought the lion. Member had a clear right to go again, if he pleased, into argu ments on the general measure.—(Hear, hear !) Col. DAVIES resumed, and went on to contend, that, by the 37th Section of the Bill, it was laid down that all Officers must be tried by a Court-martial for any offence imputed to them , and that dismissal by the Crown without such trial was against the spirit and letter of the Act. . Lord PALMERSTON maintained that the Act thirteen and fourteen of Charles the Second Aid not confer the pre rogative on the Crown, but k recognized it as pee-existing. The Honourable Member had asked why press this Bill, if the Crown had so extensive a prerogative ? To this he . would reply—what he apprehended was well known to all ac quainted with the service—that it wax necessary, for the sake of tli*clpline , ito have.* summary mode of punishing offences committed by officers of' the army. If, as the Hon. Member said, the Crown did not (according to the 37th section of the Act) possess the power of dismissing without a Court.martial, then no new enactment was necessery ; but he contended that such was not the true construction of the 37th section. it only said that it.ehould be lawful for a Court.martial to try for certain offences i but it did not interfere with the power of the 'Grown to dismiss without trial. There were ninny circumstan ces not breaches of the articles of war, which would not only warrant, but require a dismissal without trial. How, for in. stance, could a man be tried for want of talent? Mr. HUME asked if this Bill was a copy of the Act of last year ? Lord PALMERSTON replied, that there were some engirt alteration* s one was, the trimaferring _eomelfartieular accounts relative to the army in Ireland to . theNVar-office of England.— Another was an alteration of the 26th section, by which courts. martial were allowed to sentence to imprisonment:: they would in future be authorised to add to mob sentence the subjecting the party convicted to hard labour, which it was considered would in many cases be better than sentencing the party to cor poral punishment. Mr. HUME said he would be glad to hear from the Noble Lard what was meant by the words of the Bill, that the army was kept up to support the balance of power in Europe. lie thought, looking to the resent state of Europe, and our own situation, such is phrase was an absurdity. Lord PA LMLRSTON replied, that the words, absurd as they might appear, were continued in the Act from the time of William 111. He ,presumed that the meaning of the balance of power was well known at that day, and in the present. If the Hon. Member was ignorant of what it meant it was too much to hope that any , thing he ( Lord Palmerston) could say, could enlighten a mind so constiiuted.—Wearl ant a laugh.)) After a few words front. Mr. 11. 11. BEHNET, which were not audible is the gallery, Mr. CHI:I:VEY said, that the balance of power was very well understood in the time of William 111., and was weil kept up by the bravery and akin of Marlborough and his army. The army was declared necessary then, to prevent Spain from falling into the power of France; but it was absurd to say that it (the army) was now for die same object, while we sat tamely and saw the attempt which France was making upon that country.—alear, hear !) The 13111 then passed Through a Committee, and the Report was ordered to be received on Alonday. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.—NAVY ESTIMATES. On the motion of Sir Join Osnonx, that the House re solve itself into a Committee of Supply, and that the Navy Estimate* be referred thereto, Sir F. M. OMMANEY expressed a hope, that the same re. &Wien which applied to the payment of widows' pensions in the army might be extended to the Navy. The House having gone Into the Committee, Sir J. OSBORN said, the Committee on a former evening had voted the wear and tearof the Navy ; and he now should move the items for the ordinary and extras. Theft were divided into three parts. In the first there were several items which had been trans ferred from other accounts, such as " wages to artificers and la. bowers employed in his Majesty's yards at home and abroad, charge for timber and other materials for building, and charge for pilotage and salvage." These being taken into the accounts, would swell it in proportion as other accounts had been diminished. It would be found that there was a reduction in time different dock-yards to a considerable amount. In the second branch, there was a diminution on most of the items, except the comnassionate list, and an additional charge for Greenwich Hospital above that of last year. In the third part, which :included superannuation and pensions to the commit sioners, clerks, &c., there was an increase, in consequence of the number of persons who bad been dismissed during the last year. Taking the whole of the diminutions, they might amount to 216,8641. Isis. 3d. To the whole sum voted last year were to , be added 300,0001. for Greenwich Hospital; from which, de ' ducting the produce of old stores, there ,emained, as the whole sum for this year, 6,442,1401. 64. lfel., making . a diminution of the sum he had mentioned above. When it was considered that we had Oda year an addition of 4,600 men beyond the number employed "last year, and that our Navy was never in a more efficient state than at present, the reduction he had men tioned could not fail to be highly gratifying , to the House.— The lion. Member concluded by moving, "first a sum of 66,4061. 64. Id. be granted for defraying the salaries and con tingent expences of the Admiralty." ' Mr. HUME *aid be had no wish to interfere with the effec tive force of the navy. The reductions spoken of were not owing to the efficient force of the navy, and ought to have been matte *even years ago. However. better late than never. There was one kind of reduction which he had heard of, and which lie believed was snore extensive than any other—it was the reduc. Con in the wages of the labouring classes employed in the yards. Now that was a kitd of reduction which he did nut think ought to be made. lie had 'heard that some of these were now employed 106 hours a day, and received no move than what they had before for work of six hours. It was time that there was a reduction of fifty thousand pounds in the works of yards this year; but he had hoped that there would have been even a still larger reduction. Having thus congratulated the House on the reduction which had been made, and having expressed his regret that they had not been more extensive, he should proceed to the consideration of the vote which was then before the Committee. In that vote, though there was a difference of 2,0001. from the vote of last year, effected by the reduction of the Lords of the Admiralty, there were still some items to which he must object. lie objected, first, to the Paymaster of Royal Marines having a salary of 1,0001. layear, with 6 clerks, one at a salary of 5001. a-year, two at a salary of 3001. and three at a salary of 2001. a-year ; and secondly, to the Paymaster of Widows' Pensions, at a salary of 6801. a-year. . a total of 3,4501. a-year.— Ile likewise objected, tuthe grant of 300/. a-year to the secre tary to the fund for the relief of officers' widows, as he thought the assistant would be quite sufficient to discharge these duties. —There had beeuieonte diacussion on this subject last year, and he had then elibereed that he thought that the estahUsli ment of Paynaasterz 'of Royal 'Marines, and of Paymaster of Widows' Pensions, ought tobedone away with altogether, aml that the dudes of thenrataht . ta be transferred to the Navy Board. He could mar tnferm the _Committee that a situiler idea had once been entertained by 4110-2'veastiry, as appeared by a Treasury minute, whiel . he should read to them, euggest4 ing the union of Chose office* with that of the Treasurer of the Navy. After reading this minute, Mr. Mete proceeded to remark that the Admiralty taken two years and three monthi to consider of the line of conduct which they should pursue in consequence of this .suggestion, and had then de. dared .the impossibility of ramplyulg with ' it in' long and tedious letter, which impassibility should nut trouble the Committee by reading. Being of opinion,. however, that the widows' pensions of the navy might be paid in the same Manner as the widows' pensions in the army, and thinking that the mollies might be paid by the Navy Board, he felt it to be 'his duty to propose 4 redaction of 3,650/. in. this grant, thus leaving the assistant to Perform all the duty that was now performed by the Secretary to the fund. The Paymaster. of Royal Murines had only 0000 men altogether under his oflice ; and of these, only such part as were on shore were paid by hini, those being paid by the Payma s ter of the Nav on ' y.Tre nr P d ayn d i sh ast i e P r of the Navy had only 8001. it-yesi for his services. ‘V by was the Paymaster of the Marines to have 1000/. ? There was no occasion either for his six clerks, as he observed that each battalion of marines had a clerk to keep its accounts. For these reasons he should certainly take the sense of the Committee on . the Amendment which he hail pre posed, and he trusted that in pressing it to a division, he should meet with very general aubport. Sir G. MERE'. contended that there were no public oiliest which had 'greater labours to. perform titan those which the Hon. Member for Aberdeen had. just propoaed to abolish.... That lion. Member raerrial to a Treasury minute sug. gesting the propriety of joining those offices with those of the Treasurer and Paymaster of the Navy; and had likewise re ferred to a.letter which. had , been written in answer to it by his lion. Friend, the Secretary for the Admiralty. The lion. Member had not, however, read any part of that letter, be cause he knew that it would not lie at all convenient to the line of argument which he hadthought proper to pursue. If that letter lad been read, the Committee would have seen that to transfer the duties Of them to the Navy Board could be pro ductive of no saving to the country, because in such case it would be 'necessary to appoint a cashier, with a heavy salary, under the paymasterof the navy. The paymaster of the marines was but a mall portion of the paymaster's duties ; he had a large correspondence to conduct, and had also to superintend the state of the marine barracks. As he was convinced that no advantage could be derived to the country, on the score . of economy, from the transfer of the duties of these offices to the Navy Board, he should certainly resist the amendment pro posed by the lion. Member for Aberdeen. Mr. HUMIi declared, that the lion. Bart. who had just sat down must be Well aware that the Treasurer of the Navy was once the Paymaster of the Widows' Pensions. What once was,, might be again: there was no impossibility. He was likewise of opinion that the marine barracks might be placed under the same eontroul as the barracks of the military and the ordnance. Sir JOHN OSBORN stated, that at the time to which the Hen. Member fur Aberdeen had just alluded, the Widows' Pent - dons did not amount to one-twentieth part of the sum to which they now amounted. Besides, they were formerly paid only once a year ; now they were paid four times a year. Be sides, it ought not to be forgotten that these circumstances had also led to a great increase m the correspondence of the office. Sir JOSEPH YORKE declared that the Paymaster of AVidows' Pentrions had an extensive correspondence to carry on, and that there was a great facility in conducting it by meant' of the , Secretary of the Admiralty, who was also Secretary to the Fund for Widows' Pensions. Besides, the correspondence watt of such a nature as could not well be intrusted to a superior clerk, 31r. CROKER begged leave •to set the lion. Member for Aberdeen right on one point. The office of Paymaster of Widows' Pensions had never been united with that of Trea surer, but once accidentally with that of Paymaster of the Navy. The long and tedious letter, of which the Hon. Mem ber had complained, stated that fact most clearly, as he would prove by a short extract from it. The Hon. Secretary then read an extract in support Olds ,u section, and afterwards pro.. ceeded to argue that, though the Paymasters of the Navy and of the Marine were both paymasters, their situations as 'public men were quite distinct from each other. The Paymaster of the Navy was nothing more than the head clerk of the Treasurer of the Navy; out into office, continued in officeotrel removable from .office at his will and pleasure; whereas the Peymaster of Marines was the head of his department, and was the organ through which the marine ofilcets always communicated with Government. lf, then, the duties of this latter officer were to be transferred to the former, additional clerks must be engaged, and conse quently some expence must be incurred. Now, he • would contend that the present system was the cheapest that could be adopted, and that to alter it by any transfer of labour to the Paymaster of the Navy would be to saddle the coun try with an increased expenditure. It was true, that Mr. Rose had once hazarded an opinion that the duties of these two offices might be amalgamated ; but at that time the Paymaster of Marines had not the superintendence of Marine Barracks. Lot it was said that these barracks might be managed by the same department which managed the other barracks of the country. Now he was certain, that any person who was at all acquainted with the difference between army barracks and marine barracks must sec the impossibility of any attempt to assimilate their arrangements. With regard to the salary paid to the secretary to the fund for relief of officers' widows, he begged leave to say a few words, as the amount of salary had been objected to. It was known that it was a corpo- • ration which had the management of these funds ; and that corporation for many years past, indeed he believed from the year 1754, always appointed the Secretary to the Admiralty secretary to the fund. The salary appointed in 1754 was 2001. a-year, and although the pensioners had increased from 300 to 4,000, the pensions from 8,0001. to 150,000/. a-year, and the correspondence from 3 or 400 letters to 30 or 40 thousand—for so many he believed he received annually,--there had been no increase whatever in the salary.—( Hear, hear !)—On these grounds he thought that no objection could be fairly urged against it. He contended, first, that the Paymaster of the Marines was a most efficient and necessary officer ; next, that the cum 01'480/. was not too much for the Payrnnster of widows' Pensions, and consequently that the arrangement of 1819 ought not to be abandoned. Sir P. OMMANEY supported the original grant, to which he felt inclined to add another thousand. The lion. Baronet complained of the inattention of the Secretary to the Admi ralty to some questions which he had put to him respecting the AVidowa Pensions Fund, and declared that if he did not within a short time receive a satisfactory answer to those questions, he should move that an Addres s s ho u ld be presented to his Ma jesty, praying hint to order that the Widows of naval surgeons should be admitted to a participation in the benefits of that fund. The Honourable Baronet was about to move that another thousand pound should be added to the original vote, when The Or Alsace); said that the proceeding was irregular, and that the lion. Baronet could not make such a motion. A desultory conversation took place between Sir J. Yorke, the Chairman, .Mr. Croker4Mr. Hume, and Mr. Ellice, after which Sir I. COFFIN complained that the Navy was ground into dust by this neglect. Sir .1. YORKE maintained that the grants before the House proved that the Navy was far front being neglected. Mr. HUME then said that he would not press the amendment. The amendment was then negatived, and the original vote was agreed te.—The following votes were also agreed to : £32,454 ls. 6d. for the Navy Pay Office. £63,819 18*. fkl. for the Salaries of the Navy Office. .C. 35,267 10s. for the Salaries of the Victualling Office. £ 18 , 88 7 Bs. 4d. for the Salaries of Officers in Deptford-yard. £21,509 10s. for the Salaries of the Officers of Woolwich-yard. £24,534 40. 10d. for Chatham-yard. £16,134 10s. fat, for Sheerness -yard. 136 ) 30 7 3a. 3d. for Portsmouth -yard. £30,905 15 s . 8 4 1. f or Ply tli-yard. £O,BlB 18*. 2d. f or the Out-ports. £476,902 for the Wages of the Artificers and labourers in the Yards at H ome , a nd for the Hire of the Teams and Wag gons employed therein. mou Mr. HUME complained, that the officers and clerks had not been reduced on the forme scale as the labourers. Sir O. CLERK said, that the work of the artificers had been increased by the late arrangements, SO that they could earn as much as formerly. £ 624 ,7 6 0 for Repairs and incidental expences of the Ships. Sir J. YORKE asked the situation of the Navy, and parti cularly of the ships built under cover. Sir B. MARTIN said, that never in the History of Eng land was a Navy better or more effective than now. C 4 0,000 for Pilotage, bounty for Sailors, and for maintenance of Sailors in foreign parts. • ; £52,188 2*. NI. for the charge of Yards in foreign parts. £ 63 ,110 121. for the Victualling Yards. • £51,831 7s. Id. for the Medical Establishment of the Navy. £6,227 76. 3d. for the Naval College, and School of Archi tecture. - Mr. lIUME asked how many had been sent on board from that College ? Sir G. CLERK said, that Its should have no objection to give a full account to the Hon. Member for Aberdeen, when he should makes motion to the House. Mr. CROKER said, that the College had been greatly re duced, as there hail not been means to procure employment far those educated there. £104,284 16s. 4d. for the payment of the Wages of the Keepers of the Ships in Ordinary., .1:53,233 rot victualling the Ships in Ordinary. £933,424 for the Navy lialf-pityi £137,f;35 for the Navy Superatinuations. Mr. HUME asked why inefficient Ctrgymen received pension? Mr. Clt()K ER said, 'that the case of the Clergyman, stated last year, had been Pity inyestigtitcally order of the Lords of the ,Admiralty, and 1)0' been ,proited to be deserving of the pension granted to him. The following Resolutions were then agreed to : £1,500 for Bounties to Chaplains lot the year 1823. .C 7,000 to defray the expencet of the Compassionate List. .ClOOOOO to make good the deficiencies of the funds of the Charity fOr the relief - cif the. Widows of Naval Commissioned and Warratit-Offieers. £300,000 tictinike good deficiencies of the funds for paying the Ont-Vensionets of Greenwich Hospital. £170,149'x, od. for Miscellaneous Services. £124,00 for Improvements in the Dock Yards. th,1 1 ,20,000 for Building IShipsOf War its the East Indies. Sir J. YORKE ,wished to know when the basin at Sheerness would be completed ? , ' Sir B. MARTIN (as we'understood him) said in September next. . 1:203,000,for the,. Ptirchase of Provisions for Troops in Gar risons and on Foreiltn Stations. The 'ionic then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday next. NATIONAL. DEBT REDUCTION BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the third reading of this Bill. Mr. G. BENNE'r wished that the Right lion. Gentleman would not at' that late hour press the 'third reading of the Bill, as he (Mr. Bennet) wished that it should he fully discussed. - - lie intended to oppose the Hill ; and if the motion were pressed he should feel it his ditty to divide the House. 'After some disatiiiiOn, tn which the Chancellor of the Excite mier, Mr. iluskisson, Bennet; Mr. Hume, and Lord A. Hamilton took Part, the third reading of the Bill was postponed to Monday week. WAYS A ND MEANS., The House having resolved itself into a COmenittee of Ways and Means, the following items were, upon the motion :of the Crux cci.t.on of the. EXcitugianli, voted"to. be part of the Ways and Means. of the 'ensuing year £59,192 Ifis. 6ia. being the amount of stuns granted in for nler years for malting goodthe deticieney of the Irish Consoli dated Fund, and for the maintenance of - the Poor Clergy of Scotland. . ' • £169,047 17s. lOid. the balance of the. Ways and Means of former years unapplied. . £3,800,000, the Sums receivable in 1823 from the Commis. ',shiners of Naval and Military PensiOns, under an Act of the .ast Session of Parliament. . , All stuns which may he pan into the Exche q uer in the year 1023, on account of Exchequer WM issued for. Public Works and Fisheries. The amount 9f the balances of unclaimed Dividends and Lottery Prizes remaining in the hands of the Bank of England. 1;11,700,000, the',estimated ,amonnt of the unappropriated produce of the Consolidated Fund' in the year ending Atit of A1)61,1024. Phe House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be brought up on Monday. IRISH. MUTINY .RILL. On the motion of Mr. GonutuAN this Eill was read a third time ana'paised. MARINE MUTINY BILL._ Sir a. CIXRIC: brnught up the Report of this, Bill, which was recommitted, and the Report ordered to bobrought up on Illotulay. , , Mr. lIIISKISSON brought In the 3lerchant Ships Appren tice Bill, Which was Iliad a first,time, stud ordered to be read a second timer on Monday next. , EAST INDIA SUGAR. ' 1 P . i 4 al'a P f e , t th il thi l V s4 ,.on' tl i le :a 3 q lc A r n cli di 4 a 4 S ts uk of r i , le w l a r t" t Prest aga p ill ted, st t an he d tt u e r... air - ca to be Printed... Mr. GOLTIAIIJRN brought up . the Estimates of the Incor porated Societies of I/übilit.—lsiid on the table. On the motion of Mr. S. RicE, a return was ordered of the number of persons tried in. Ireland during the last seven years, a t Special Commissions, As s i zes , an d Quarter Sessions ; tbs. tinguislimg the numbers in each caunty,city,s&e. and the num berg acquitted and convicted. - The house adjourned at . half-past Eleven o'Clock. FORRIGN INTELLIGENCE. PARIS PAPERS [rIIOM THE PILOTE OF WEDNESDAY EVENING.] PARIS, MARCH I2.—The Ordinary Cortes, in their hitting of the 2d, unanimously passed a De cree, in which they ordered the Ministry, within 94 hours, to report the execution of the Decree for the removal of the Government. By the same Decree the Cortes declare that neither the Report upon the situation of Spain, which should be presented by the Ministers at the opening of the Session, nor any other Report upon the same subject, shall be heard until after ' the translation of the Government, and then only in the place where it shall have been established. The society of the Communeros, by an unani mous decision, has united with the Masons, and driven from its bosom Bertrand de Lys, us bought over by foreigners, and as occupied only for some months past in sowing divisions iu Spain. The Society has profited by the harmony esta blished between the Communeros and the M a son., in order to reform their statutes, and to write in. structions to all the Provinces in order to unite and electrify the public mind. A courier, who left Madrid on the sth, brings the following news :—" The. King has signed a Decree, by which he confirms in their functions the Ministers of whom he had accepted the resignation." A Proclamation, signed Ferdinand VII., tins been published throughout Madrid. It announces that war is definitively resolved upon, and that the Spanish Goverutnent will take all poclible means to oppose the intended aggression. A tiother Decree, signed also by the King, orders the transfer of the Government, the Cor tes, and the person of his Majesty, to Badajos. Sir William A'Court has communicated to the Minister of Foreign Affairs his receipt of 'par ticular orders from the Cabinet of Great Britain to follow his Catholic Majesty to the place which shall be chosen for the seat of Government. New intrigues have been set on foot at Madrid. Ferdinand VII. is still disposed to listen to the perfidious suggestions of men who little regard the overthrow of a Prince if they can effect the triumph of a counter-revolution. The firmness of the Cortes has disconcerted the whole. A Ministry formidable to the enemies of the peace and independence of nations, by its energy, its union, and its patriotism, about to abandon the Government, 'yielding to the solicitations of true Spaniards, has decided upon remaining at the head of affairs, at the critical moment that the Peninsula has the most imperious need of its information and courage. • The Ministry, at the head of which we have still Senor de San Miguel, will acquire a new title to the gratitude of its fellow-citizens. The latest news received from the frontiers of Spain informs us that Mina remained but. a few hours at Barcelona ; that he asked from the Municipality of that town 00,000 piastres, and that - 80,000 were supplied to him on the spot.— This Constitutional General will quickly repair to the frontier the nearest to Cerdagne, where a occst considerable laafitiesisooaeAotk,ien_oii:iatzitilu,,ii,aosp.biftlertecijoteraetiless body is concentrated , chiefly, said, composed of foreigners. Great numbers; e t:cicia s titro l l ; ii • tt a il k he I I, o il : f ti t e i ss i ien.die7icatwyiinioeafit:i tioilr4e,,,,,,fc.in:Aft.uhedsis.tt France . er y .44611.1 e o fa w r i et l h l en r o e iw t: niglitniiestehlt e:tp;:eiri.,tqfetinlhiitttlllo4o: 1 • leicotttittoes to be assertki that the Duke 01 A ngou le'ine will depart on Saturday for the stills before be commences the' Campaign. - ' 1 and that he will review all the troops o _ te lido th ,. , l i t e: is xc r iu ep i o o r n te o d r Atltia.tiliCtionuutelit. Mole will Certs 34l Y make rpriceseiftillala.ii,oi p r oposition grtt.oa. . It is said that a proposition for the re-admill of NI. Manuel into the Chamber of DePoli iiiwt be placed by M. Ilumblot Coda on the bar of the Chamber on Friday, and debated 40'9' turday. It is thought that if this propositionbe refused consideration, the Centre Left will quit • the Chamber ße i E l p i Fi t Ei l oc i: Te s u a i m ßs e manner as thi.l4B Sid i '• ' o i l d i a: t r o ti r c 0 1 o f t S P h of the law of the 9th of J. OI IN . P S A Artls, I%IAILCIL 12,*-AgreeablY to the' t ek paper of this evening th PREFE C TUR E b r U e°4 : ll o i i r l Pe lt d d iji t :C lo i t : ::P rutbibb;l7.lll4: p r "'the request of the Clianiber of Commerce article inserted in the Courier .- 1. - - . i.., .- y it. other . e polia 4. tp i t ; 0)1 11 e: 1 , 3 1 o e df : ta Z ned t o h rt e ehp ea paper ldel, 01 o tt f t, t a : n i I : to n o: ll C , e j a a 0 n i l r e s a ra os t o. t r ea ' Di d, i , t . , t , 11 ,10. 1 : i (Signed) DELAVAII, TlTercet_ts,,,seer it, s Many journals of Paris have entettaitied their. n Ar — fo ot a letter which his Exce ll ency the Minister of:dlr.... m e ''''' ars to the Chamber of Commerce at Ilavre, and their allmore or less inaccurate. Having been in a Situnef i l: 4o - 0 . the 'contents of the letter, we think it a dareel .'', seniors and the conjectures of the journalists- ' er''' 1111 ' The Speech of the King at the openingef lll .l b ee legoili gi 'hewn a war with Spain to be nearly ineviteble_,On kiit 0 rit110,.., same time contained the assurance of his Allidwg'ci;;.oftw' commerce would receive every protection, the Clumnridiroe te trerte wrote on the Ist Februar she the :Minister °' i d i rt call his attention to the points,re it was Olt . stf tation might be most e ffi caciously rendertil• .„.. t io(2o l ,"'. replied, on the 7th of February, communicating 14'' osi see her the measures already taken, and them wlnelv i t t r ose posed to take, to preserve French navigation 60 11 ,;_,aieg Out to which it would be exposed, in the case of over 1 "7:: between France and Spain. ' fe A le.--- thi. I SO " It is true,. that owing to motives, the justlete - ;,i. pal' Chamber of Commerce has perfectly appreeiettat nele;le lency desired that his letter s hould not 'be tnede Pe: gi lts" , !seine printed ; but the Chamber was directed roc 11:1 0 1; 0 0. it to all the ship-owners who might be i n terested, l °,olo o The intentions of the Ministrr have been falfakt l 4. he m bpetisnhl u iehip c nt h ;caieun r jine:quopernnaionyethtit,ifsetprielceoc to hnaiiises:uutnvi:iies.ehnees:::wni,.:lltitolifehalialiaovepowsoluduilonoblindviir..kwito7a.r. vo_hr"ti bOte , ' i tents of his letter, but we can assert that nceWhese o urfele• ' Thus it is a gratuitous scicuthipopontliseti;doiwthineall"trell;;frertiar:ol(l'uf i 4. nalist, that ships will be assembled in the port o f ..., • '' be sent under convoy to their deetination. , „ . . 4 ' ' 0 01 "It is false that ship-owners have b e ensavryeitettel 0 , to direct their ships bound to Brest to histeri_joir".nsopsset i r t en i , : d e ei. g rias e su a tl i c l yh y , false that they have been diree_rin w n. io trit departure of their ships, and every new exPe`O - iii Opt .ft BR uss: th L e s: l x e p t N t r i :s r sAco:lotnnctanitiencseeonsaitrya:iwsioir: a . _ f tic: ion tet i th6 o o9 : he sooner able to transmit the advice eOritairicatath_biatia. followed too nearly the previous stiqestions of 6 . 1 f[railio-iscoTiolilleiairLIA):01:0111 NAI L 1,116 have caused a considerable advanc e -; o'its t r -.i r . of Germany, as we ll as in otberlctoly jugs and co ff ee, in which extensicse'; firgesPeP.c'a:i°ll4::: made. ~..„0 1 It 0 . TRIESTE, F. 20.--S e verai ' 4tter 1. 5 th e P °ll. : Levant a ffi rm that the disposition 1: " -ae o °6 matted sitvtaerddsnbtyLNohriondtleStiotsrastpnliogekfoerviidiovralinsa:iv_olitins:::::: A loido v idctt , - ~ dog ° r 1 hueslbl o i his i d r t e nto t et u s i s • t t r i t ,: o s t b i t ; . u ' ll ' i) t ti re t r e l e i d e d . s e l o lfi n T t c E:t ie s : at hi l e c r ti' i co : ; : t i s il t :' , l l l: : : s ( : o: o lll l e ni tl3 l . :ll l: ll l tui rai r l i ii rs i r .ll; l N the e a l e l l Na s vsa a Aal t; d tcEon fi l.s2 e r -si t ii i p e s, Old h . t r e haa ni° l l. l l° ll:; captures. No Turkish' res s ` : PO r it 4-4.-27 itself out of the Strait though it i ° a withlre activity a r m a ments a talliques, 78 1-16 C Bank Aare's. 1180•-""•'/I • sues, 787-I6 ; Bank Shares 685 I-10. • ...i .......... _metailiqttifie.s_i:t7iinfintalir;iteiliti(.:auen:lYasitils;gtoesiss.:}ll,lr4o),:,i' . 0111 7 611 f: '. . • S P 'N• Ale • r otes3 : poCr ' (FROM THE riAtErrrr,Nivi; - 6 , 11 041 11 1‘' .. .., the '' oth n er MADRID, MARCH .- ' 10 - a 0 41 ' meta was promulttatecl yesteresileolOß. ,01'01. ' Excellency—The King yesterday lulu" aP 8 ' lowing Decree:— !s elf, r e llit b t w ia r i 33 i ll e h c .e h h e es du e i n very oak's:101 to ibot 1 ritions, have influenced my Royal kind to Vince / 0, 0 0 'sires ; hut ere you retire to enjoy reeo o . 11 f cee r1",,,,," 1- is each of you to read to the Cones the reeorl g t i,, 0.1 7 '" thereby make known to them the state °' 0 04; ash de by you prat yeu ou r ft le esecrellilrltaNtrieldeSs Tionfl:sl:tratetue;ttilif it'sltfra: I et_ite;rduove ,:i , , Th o i. f a t g h r e ee p t u i b to li , c lAadmmihnoiwstrreataideni. to ' nmho. y.e yol 0:00,0700 1te , _ ,io ns , at the same time manifesting to t 7, t hey 11 tip ee -.,hey' ; and which you have laboured - in furtherance jr , S otolfoof ... , 4 This g ,.id n i ii r y eas t a oote n e ti ll h sis o hn n .dg oi c i r oam of bpy t i l y i etwhneiathtuiooint • ;:a1 hi w nii.. . tei is.c ;nit biosi v; , „ : . ° f the K in vga(l,:drledft:ritioleitzesiutialaiPeiblixil'illieeloiecictPaualtinemrolliYhtet;.:'oira'y"nriodsmt:lrtu:lcrEd/;cbi:Ct- bi:rilil°s‘: :: :le'! . ,7 bhp ) 4 i . ) . A r (FTtOst THE co N sy r v 'O,P s ..pesk. :ottiege MA Dll 1 ti, 31 ant: K 2.-I'he F.:peteam - 00 , of,/ ,... 0 ' ceived from Frunce by the Junta of 31 5`, 1 , ir 'Ror i :reilt t t ' ' ; , which Bessiereewas to march with al l "l e i ii ' 1 " fielg;• il' ma . t e is e ildr.tnece(3tntrtSiiewil)gnanfso:taigagreeable . e ' Madrid. l R A " N: co order S . f i e :li f :: : „ -SC :c l' ori; : 144 0; 1 S ill Unties that Journal, " i s in our Winds, ar", itgeo4,, f er i 0 The most Serene Royalist Junta prot i ti r ae %o p! march of Bessieres, the happiest read& I wilil 1.- : 0 ( throne. ' But Bessieres fuse been tlisprof.,"b. -.perl'ori will also be all those who shall dare alo f t ullifteo,,,, ft The demands made to the Ministry 4001040050. marque against the enemies of the tiontuL w a 10 T o jOil t ho. received incessantly. It has been mede "I . : i f biol t ote,st , ._ applied for them, that the Government so 4 110 0 0 ren t 0, taken all proper means to iesue thew ? l i ed tti e bef t. 'ft l A . earth ; and as the grant of them . is sub.letio se t .1 „011 1 ties, and their dist ribution intrusted to Cr: o olic•J!' - ' , t lis to these competent Authorities that tn. i'' ~,,,,ling. trade.—(Es peetador.) , 01 0 ;;;;II ise __ed to . „, i t • At Barcelona the guns have been car 11 0 „,0 0 rT walls. All the cit y . j oined in the ceremgenti their wo m en showed their a nxiety to eneourail 1 ...eitfi zeal of the liarcelonian patriots.t arots 0 E 'EN Wl* oiPoois (roost L'E-rott.ti'-% fo o to, • Count Amede d'Escars, Aide.tie-CA Con _,, O r o eouleme, set off this morning. Vie .. , f.',' ,-, getti,(Morei! depart on Saturday (to -day.) Au the 1 1 ," - ,, t , ~4 bn, og for commencing hostilities between the ~.... 0 • jo The Duchess Duchess d'Angouleme will set etti ' of nesday in Ester Week. itl ifta v so or . hose ..,41 orate Lieut.-General Baron d'Brolek w, n ioi.- - I ! o f we have announced, is very acthrell waii, o rtsnel l ' troops of the Faith, w ho are in the I V - r ei. , Pyrenees, and along the fro ntier line. as o ss., 0 it : trenst THE .1013101* P d isait iit ifilit il atte l. * O4 V i a le Extract of . 4 private betters ,„.„,, a ipq " The h e in which we hll , O ! A I.. 11 .- l OW , tinues, and, unfortunatelyi it sllr