The Sun. — London, England, 1846-06-17 00:00:00

feurtbXbition SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock. GRAVESEND AND ROCHESTER RAILWAY.—(THIS DAY.) A general meeting ng of shareholders was held thi s d a y a t the t ieo rge and If tilture Tavern, Cornhill, for the purpose of considering the propriety of approving of a Bill to authorise the sale of this line to the South-Eastern Railway Company; Mr. Mexen in the chair. It appeared from the statements of the Chairman, and the report read by the Secretary, that the terms of purchase, za stipulated between the two companies, was 310,0001., and that the South-Eastern Railway Company had, on the 24th of April, paid a deposit of 10 per cent., or 31,0001. on the ori- Rnal purchase-money, to th e di rectors o f th e G ravesen d an d ochester Company, as a guarantee for the due fulfilment of their portion of the contract, one term of which was, that it was to be completed and ratified either on the Ist of September next, or thirty days after the close of the present session of Parliament, under pain of forfeiture of the deposit. A resolution in approval of the terms of sale was moved by the Chairman, and passed unanimously. Resolutions approving of the report, also complimentary to the superintendent and secretary, having been passed, the meeting separated, after a vote of thanks to the Chairman. LYNN AND ELY RAILWAY. (THIS DAY.) A special meeting of the proprietors took place this day, at the offices of the Company, Abingdon-street, for the purpose of empowering the Directors to borrow money. The meeting was very poorly attended. At two o'clock the chair was taken by Sir W. B. Folkes. The CHAIRMAN stated that the capital of the Company was 360,000/., and now that the half of the money was paid lir, they sought to ease the calls on the shareholders by borrowing money-160,000i. had b een paid up on the three first calls, and the directors had even at the present moment a balance of a bout 30,000/. in their hands. The works were in great progress, and the first part of the line would be finished by July next. A resolution empowering the directors to borrow mon e y having been agreed to , t he meeting adjourned. CRIMINAL COURT.-(THIS DAY OLD COURT. Tl,e trial of Joseph Carter for the courier of John Oddy (continued from our .:tfternoon Edition) Henry Mathews cross-examined —He believed that ably held up the pot, and said, "Now then shopmate, drink with us, " Out when Carter went Lip, the pot was withdrawn, and Carter ap peared very much excited. Oddy, on his way to the door, said, "Let us see what the rascal has got." Samuel Bound, a boot-closer, was also at the Crow public-house. He said, Carter, on being called a spongy beggar," appealed to the man with the wooden leg, as to whether that was so, and the man said, "He never knew him for anything else." On Carter's return to the public-house, he said to Wood, "he wanted Oddy." Before Oddy went to the door, a man of the name of Spenser, held up a pot of beer, and sad to Carter, " Come, Joe, come and drink, and be a man." Cross-examined by Mr. CLARKSON—Witness believed Oddy was In liquor, what he called " fresh," Witness, who appeared in Court with his arm in a .ling, said he had got it broken in a row at the same public-house on the Sunday fortnight after the murder. 'Thomas Spenser stated that Carter, as he was leaving the public house, at first was accompanied to the pavement by the witness, Oddy, and another; and, as they laughed, Carter said, " D— your eyes, fetch something that'll do for you," and left them. Carter earns back with something in his hand, under the tail of his coat. Spenser, on seeing this, took up a pot of beer, and said, " Come, shop mate, drink and be sociable." "No, I shan't," said Carter. Carter then beckoned with his head to Oddy, who walked towards him. Witness said to Oddy, "Don't go near him—l think he has got a knife in his hand." Immediately after the prisoner made a thrust at Oddy with his right hand. Witness tripped up the prisoner on hie back, and saw a knife fall from his hand. James Shaw corroborated the other witnesses in their evidence. He believed the house of Carter to be about 150 yards from the public-house, and his absence might have continued for a quarter of an hour. . Tnomas Rigby stated that he and the prisoner slept in the same room. On the night in question Carter came into the room after witne44 had gone to bed. Witness asked him if he wasn't coming to bed. Carter said " No," and walked as If he were drunk across the room to his seat and picked up a knife. Witness asked him what be was going to do with that, but Carter said that was none of his business and went out. Witness believed him to have been drunk. City police-constat,le 159 met the prisoner on his way home from the public-house, and heard him muttering to himself like a drunken person, •' ll— your eyes, I'll do for you ;" but he thought it was nothing more than ordinary excitement in liquor. Thomas Loyd, surgeon, in Basinghall-street—Saw the body of the deceased. There were two wounds on the left side of the belly, the one of which he had no doubt was the cause of the death. -Mr. Clarkson, with whom was Mr. Ballantyne, defended the prisoner. Chief Justice TINDAL then summed up the evidence. The jury, after consulting a short time, returned a verdict of Manslaughter against the prisoner. The COCRT then sentenced the prisoner to transportation beyond the seas for the term of his natural life. RAILWAY COMMITTEES (THIS DAY.) HOUSE OF LORDS. DIRECT LONDON AND PORTSMOUTH. GUILDFORD AND CHICHESTER. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) The Bishop of Oxford was called and examined by Mr. MERN WSTREB on the part of the promoters of the Guildford and Chichester. ( Eev. Prelate gave evidence similar in effect to that of the Duke tßiehmond, in favour of this line, and against the Direct London ?Portsmouth. n the conclusion of his Lordship's evidence, it being past tour o'clock, the Committee rose and adjourned till to-morrow at eleven o'clock. LONDON AND YOWL (WAKEFIELD BitANCII). (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) After Mr. ALEXANDER concluded his address, evidence was called to prove the Injury which the landown€rs would sustain by the con struction of the line. Mr. Sergeant WitANCIIIAM then replied, after which the room was cleared. After some deliberation the parties were called in, and informed by the CHAIRMAN that the Committee would defer their decision till they had heard the case for the Swinton and Lincoln line. Mr. Ar3TlN:then addressed the Committee on behalf of the pro moteri of the Swinton and Lincoln lino, after which the Committee adjourned till eleven o'clock to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. GROUP TI. WEST CORNWALS. Mr. Hancock and Mr. Harvey were examined this morning in this ease. In consequence of the absence of Mr. Brunel, the remainder of the ease was allowed to stand over till to-morrow. The remaining clauses of the Bill were passed through the Com mittee. The Committee adjourned till twelve to-morrow. GROUP X 111 CALEDONIAN EXTENSION. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) Mr. Bell Telfer, cross-examined for landowners—The principal portion of the Sanquhar coal-field was within a mile of the harbour of Ayr. The Blackhouse field was still nearer to Ayr. About seven eighths or the coal shipped at Ayr was supplied by Mr. Gordon, who worked all the fields in the immediate neighbourhood. Cross•examined by Mr. ANnasws, for the Kilmarnock and Ayr Railway—The Caledonian Company had promised the harbour trustees the loan of 10,0001. for the improvement of the harbour, pro vided they gave their support to the Bill before the Committee. He was not aware that there was a much greater quantity of guano and salt brought down to Ayr from Glasgow than imported direct into Ayr from Liverpool. Mr. James Patton. builder and timber-merchant, resident in Ayr, examined by Mr. BAYLE—Between 7,000 and 8,000 tons of American timber wore annually imported into Ayr. ureat proportion of that quantity was sent into this country In the direction of the proposed railway for building purposes. There had Leen a considerable demand lately for wood in the neighbourhood of Muirkirk on account of the erection of iron works In that locality. A great quantity of friez stone was annually exported from Ayr, which was brought from a quarry about a mile from the town. The supply was not, however, equal to the demand, on account of the want of railway communication to the eastward. Guano In great quantities was imported into Ayr every year, most of which was sent into the interior of the country. The present line of railway along the coast to Glasgow did not accommodate the, interior of the county of Ayr. lie considered the construction of the present scheme would be of the greatest benefit to that district of country. The witness was cross-examined at great length Hy Sir Thomas Putties, to show that the quantity of timber sent from Ayr along the line of the proposed railway was very inconsiderable, but nothing of Importance was elicited. Mr. Thomas Gemmel, editor of the Ayr Advertiser, was next ex amined—The revenue cf the Ayr barisour had been increasing gra dually for the last three years. Last year it had amounted to 1,7004 The number of vessels which came Into this harbour during 14:5 was 1,146. The entire amount of Custom-house duties was 1100/. per annum. The general feeling among the inhabitants of Ayr was decidedly in'favour of the proposed railway. Cross-examined—Hc believed there was only one meeting of the Town Council in favour of the Caledonian Extension, and the general fabling was In favour of the line. The dues he had given of the Harbour of Ayr for the three years were the gross receipts. The authorities and the public of Ayr were decidedly in favour of the present line. Cross-examined by Sir T. PHILLIPS, for the Glasgow and Ayr Corn pany—The viewin which the Town Council bad considered the pre sent line was the advantage of it for the through traffic from Ayr and Glasgow. Mr. Adam Hunter, merchant, of Ayr, deposed that he carried ou a large business as a general merchant. He had purchased a consi derable amount of wool along the route of the present line, and if it were formed It would he a great accommodation for that kind of goods. Wool from Muirkirk cost about his. a ton carriage. Corn was often brought to Ayr from Edinburgh and Leith, the latter the principal Scotch port for Baltic g rain. Were Zline formed there would be great advantage to ug t h r t ain_ e, as, since the Edinburgh and Glasgow Company had Corn „Z . : n th ° e canal, freights by th at route had risen a great deal. from !ro an , •,f,,,i.heoe believed, Its. a t on carr i age. He imported grain the neighbour! naid erable portion of which went u p t o L atr i ne and Therez-ir s no doubt that a great number of pas sengers went from Ayr t o Th e witness wafiseicalrol7-tenfxolirmmnibn 7d:Whith the object of showing that he was but super referred to, when eu to the details of the traffic he The Committee adjourned tin to- morrow at twelve o'clock. LIVERPOOL, 032.11.25K1R1L, axa (Continued from our Afternoon Editiori"P4ii."6.ll* Mr. Cornelius NiChOlson, Mayor of Kendali, anii a r „ the ir Lancaster and Carlisle Railway—This lin e 41 ,%—r of `' which would give such material accommodation to ,11: country, especially by its branch to Blackburn, that its importance could nut be Sufficiently estimated. [lad oft en travelled over the North Union line, and was of opinion that the accommodation afforded by it was by no means sufficient for the rapidly increasing traffic, even at Preston. There was not sufficient room on the rails for all the trains which arrived, so that an engine, which had just arrived, had to run into the adjacent tunnel, and remain there a quarter of an hour, and sometimes twenty minutes, until a n n o o t t i ter train had passed. Its had heard that last y ear there were believed ss than 60,000 passengers from Liverpool to Scotl and. Ile that that numb er of ass opened would take advantage p would, when the lines we re very much in favour o f its formation, of the railway. The inhabitants were t r Other evidence of a similar n a 'she Committee adjourned until e was then adduced. ltwelve o'clock to-morrow. GROUP XVII. The Committee resumed its sittings this morning at twelve o'clock the lion. E. Yorke In the chair. MANCHESTZE AND SOUTHAMPTON. - Air. Bidder was cross-examined at great length by the opposing counsel, with respect to the stations, level crossings, landowners, &c. In the course of his examination it was elicited, that the r osi tons of the erdinary stntions had not been decided upon, but that trig class stations had been erected at Rotusey, Andover, Marlborough, Cirencester, and Swindon, the cost of which wont" vary from 2,0001. to 12,0001. He confidently anticipated that the expense of constructing the stations would he defrayed in the course of time by the rent which would be derived from farmers using the granaries which would be constructed in connexion with them. He could not say whether arrangements had been entered into to the amount of 100,00 e/. to neutralize the opposition of land owners ; it was not within his province to answer such a question ; Cut, speaking for himselt; he might say that landowners would re ceive fair compensatie n for ally property which might he required to the purposes of the line. The expense of erecting another station at Southampton was perfectly justified by the wants of the Inha bitants. He considered that the line would be of advantage to Mr. Moburn, Mr. Bovill, and Mr. Marriott, landowners, near whose property the line will pass at Southampton ; but if they were injured they would be amply compensated by the Company. The junction with the South-Western at Romsev, in order to obtain access to Portsmouth, would be effected (as the existing line is 17 feet higher than the Manchester and Southampton at that point) by two sidings rising about 1 in 50 —one a half and the other.a quarter et a mile in length, and the cost probably 3,000/. To have avoided the lan,t of Mr. Genler and Mr. Everett would have entailed upon the promoters the necessity of leaving Andover out of their route, and the selection of a line more expensive, less convenient by being longer, and in addition, with objectionable gradients. s•exolutuect by Mr. JA.xiii—Mr. Maberley, a 1 911CitOr, at BGuttl ampton, who opposed the line because it would pass his house on an embankment. Formerly supported a line which wasintended to pa s in a similar manner. The tramways along the pier, at Sout,ampton, would not inconvenience persons using the pier, either for the pur poses of business or pleasure, besides a satisfactory arrangement had been made with the trustees. The wishes of the landowners would be met as much as possible within the limits of deviation. In reply to questions from the Committee, the witness said If the works were commenced at once that he would undertake to complete it in two years and a half—from Southampton to Andover could be completed In a year. The CnAram.aN suggested that 'for Ithe future the et oss-exami nation of the witnesses should be so arranged that one Counsel should cross-examine the witnesses with respect to the engineering, and the other with respect to the landowners. The opposing Counsel intimated that the suggestion, although sur rounded with difficulties, would meet with their earnest attention. Some discussion then ensued with respect to the Committee visiting Southampton, in order to inspect the pier, and the relative po,ition.s of the two stations. Mr. HILL intimated that the South-Western would be happy to put a special train at the service of the Committee. The Cuatasseri said it was not the intentiono Committee to visit Southampton. Ile was going laiomleptoofiltbhye the nine o'clock train on Saturday morning, and should be happy to meet the parties at Southampton in order to inspect the pier. He should also be glad, If possible, to see the property of Mr. Everett, t f o th So e ut w h at Appleshaw. Mr. Hawkshaw, C.E._examine d by Mr. GURNET—Hadisurveyed the line, and he considered it was judiciously laid out, and would meet the concurrence of the districts it would traverse. Ile was also satisfied with the sufficiency of the estimates, and of the de sirability of the station at Southampton. The tramway's on the pier would not be objectionable. The course of the Andover canal was advantageous, inasmuch as it would not interfere with pri vate property, and was the most direct course that could be adopted. The line to Andover could be com pleted in twelve months. The line could be carried underneath the Great Western at Swindon without interfering with the free working of the line. The heaviest works on the line were at the Coteswold hills, which were to be tunnelled; but they presented no questions n b s y engineering difficulty, and the gradi en t s were extremely good, con sideringMrT.hieiawthitenretossn.w c r r e o p s s l y - e t x o a -exam the nature of the count r y. In f M r . o r m . H t h i e l la 3 , s t fr o a K tn e e a d t I n e o g tt , o a f, e n l d , he stated that the line, if prevented Vrom making its proposed ter minus, and obliged to use the terminus of the South-Western, would yet be an advisable scheme; but if the proposed station were not made, the • line would Buffer from not having communication with file pier. THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNE:SDAY EVENING, JUNE 17, 1846. The Committee then adjourned until one o'clock to-morrow GROUP XX. RICHMOND (NEW BRANCH). (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) The evidence in favour of the line having been concluded, the de cision on the preamble was postponed. LONDON, munnirszow, AND WESTERN. In respect to the petition against the returns relating to this Bill, the decision on the preamble of which stands deferred, the Commit tee, after a long argusnent, decided that the petition could not be heard. The Co.nraittee then adjourned to Saturday, with the understand ing, that if Mr. Cockburn, Q.C. (for the Kew branch), cannot attend on that day, there will be a further adjournment till Monday. GROUP XXXI. BIRMINGHAM AND BRISTOL (ASH CHURCH, 'TEWKESBURY, and MALVERN). The Committee to which the above railway is referred met to-day at twelve o'clock. The day was occupied principally in hearing the evidence adduced on the part of the promoters of the Bill, in order to show the amount of passenger and goods traffic upon the route of the proposed line between Malvern, Worcester, Tewkesbury, Chel tenham, and Gloucester. It was proved that the amount of traffic between those points would be amply sufficient to support a railway, such as the one proposed. The feeling along the line was much in favour of its formation, as it would afford an infinitely bet ter means of communication than the Severn, which was an uncer tain river, as it was subject to great floods and low ebbs, which some times stopped the passage of the river for weeks together. Goods conveyed by water had also the disadvantage of being much subject to pilfering, by which considerable loss was sustained. The Committee adjourned at four o'clock. GROUP XXXIII. WAILIATXCIESHIELE AND LONDON. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) The traffic evidence having been concluded, it was arranged that the engineering evidence should be taken to-morrow, and the Com mittee adjourned at four o'clock. GROUP XXXVIIf. LEEDS, DEWSZURY, AND MANCHESTER. The Committee met at the usual hour, Mr. Acland in the chair. A number of witnesses were examined this morning with reference to the general merits of the proposed line. One of the witnesses stated, in the district through which the line would pass there were coal mines capable of producing one thousand millions of tons. It was but fair to suppose that a large quantity of this would pass along the proposed line. GROUP XXXIX. OLDHAM DISTRICT. The Committee met at the usual hour, Mr. Divett in the chair. The cue of one of the petitioners against the Bill was gone into, and completed this day. Mr. Cozam then opened the case for several landowners and the commissioners of several townships of Oldham against the Bill. GROUP XI.I. MANCHESTER, BOLTON, AND BURY (CANAL NAVIGATION AND RAILWAY). The Committee to which this line is referred met to-day at twelve o'clock, in room No. 16. The day was occupied In examining witnesses, who proved the material advantages which the carrying out of this scheme would afford to ths surrounding country. The property it had to cut through was said to be of a most inferior description. Every step had been taken to accommodate the public by all the means in the power of the Company, and at the wharf near Bifida', iars. At Manchester, the railway had been carried on on pillars, in order that the loading and unloading of vessels might not be inter fered with. The Committee adjourned at four o'clock, until twelve o'clock to-morrow. GROUP XLVII. SWANSEA VALE. The Committee on this group met at twelyeo'clock to-day, Mr. Evans in the chair, when Mr. ➢forgan, a coal-owner, was called to show the nature of the country, and the way in which the conveyance of the coal affected the value of the article, and the expense of its transit respectively by canal and by rail. The principal point put in was the statement that the conveyance of coal from the lead of the canal to the port it had to pay tolls to the amount of 2s. 9d. a ton, while on the railway it would pay only Is. 10d. a ton. In his opinion a railway was absolutely necessary. Mr. JAMES was about to cress examine the witness, on the part of the landowners, when It was objected to by Mr. WLIATELET, who conceived that he had no right to pursue th, enn,aa On this a long argument arose, and the room was ultimately cleared After some time, and on the re-admission of parties, The CHAIRMAN declared that the Committee had decided that Mr. James could only cross-examine on the principal object of the preamble. Mr. Arthur was next called, and stated that he had been a coal- owner for twenty-two years, and finally confirmed the evidehce of the previous witness. Mr. Starling Benson for the last twelve years had been interested In copper works and collieries. The Tredgoller works are six nines from Swansea, under the Drummer mountain, where there is a very large supply of steam-packet coal, tbr which it is adapted by giving great heat, burning quickly, and with little smoke. It Is generally included :by Government in their contracts for their own packets, but it has been in a great measure shut out from the market by the want of means for its transit. In conse quence of this want, the copper works, where there are upwards of 20,000 tons consumed yearly, are an additional expense not 300,0001. a-year. It is usual to ship this coal for general sale in barges of 22 tons, but the breakage was such, from the continual change of carriage, only 17 tons could bo delivered. The difference of cost by rail, independent of breakage, would be considerable, being 814 d. by rail and ls. 7hicl. by canal. If the railway were made it would obviate the necessity of keeping a stock at Swansea. The ex pense of his wharfage at that place is now 2001. a year. This might, to a great extent, be saved. The whole consumption of coal in the copper-works in Wales is estimated at 300,000 tons. The witness then testified as to the length of time in which a desire had been ex pressed for the formation of this railway, and stated that there had been an arrangement between the several land and coal owners to carry a line in 1838 up to Tredgoller works. Much evidence was then given as to the peculiar circumstances in which the property in that part of the country is placed, the object being to show that there was not so much a desire for public as fur merely personal and private advantage. On cross-examination by Mr. GaOVES, the ' witness stated that there was an agreement for amalgamation with the Welsh Midland. There are 1,000 or 1,200 feet of wharfage front on the river, of which two hundred and fifty feet will be sufficient for the general trade, but there Is no provision for coal wharfage, although there are facilities for the trade in the arrangement of placing the line of railway twelve feet above the wharf; so as to enable the goods to be at once transferred to the wharf, by emptying the wag gons, or by running them down a steep inclined plane to the waters' edge. With regard to the railway, about three miles of rail are laid down, most of the earthwork and much of the masonry are done, and the fences, where there is nothing to grow, are formed. Mr. Jones, the engineer, was employed with Mr. Vignoles in the surt - ey of the Manchester and Liverpool Railway, in 1825, with Sir John Rennie, on Southwark and London-bridges, and other great works. Ile had surveyed the Beath Valley line for Mr. Brunel. Ills attention hail been called first to this project in 1830, and had surveyed a line in Swansea Vale at the request of several traders, and had taken the line which was nearly identical with the present route, and which he conceived was the best In the valley. The line was at that time abandoned, be cause the Canal Company reduced their tolls. In 1840 the country was again surveyed by Mr. Bush, which was nearly the same las this, but it was impeded by the progress of the new cut of the Canal and the erection of warehouses. In 1844 the canal works were finished, and the Tredgoller line was immediately begun, and is new in process of formation. The steepest gradient in the first ten miles is one in 175. On the upper part the steepest gradient would be one in 58, but this was not so objectionable, as the heavy traffic will be almost entirely down the line. The rails and materials tbr a single line are provided for the first seven miles and partly laid. In the opinion of the witness this is decidedly the best line which the valley could afford. The cost of the part already formed will be under 5,000/. a mile, and that also will be the price of the tipper part of the extension. The estimate ii , r the whole is 100,000/. The line Is to be on the narrow gauge which is better suited than the broad gauge for traffic between col lieries and iron works. On cross-examination by Mr. JAMF.S, the witness stated, that when he was engaged to supply the line on the east side, Mr. Bynol was also engaged to survey on the west side for some considerable distance. The estimate does not include the cost of any stage, jetty, or oilier shipping place. To Mr. TAMES, the witness replied, that as the steepest gradients would be in the upper part of the line, where the trade will be the least, so on the canal the locks are most numerous In that district, and consequently offer little impediment to the navigation of the lower portion of its course. There was considerable cross-examination respecting the way in which the line would affect the land of [a rgentlemani of the name of Benson, at Swansea, part of which is to be inclosed for wharfage for the country. To one of the Committee, Mr. Jones stated that the line, with its branches, will be nineteen miles, the whole of which he had per sonally surveyed. The curve would be on a radius of half a mile. Mr. Glascody, secreiary to the Mineral Railway Company, con firmed the evidence of the previous witness as to the cost of con structing the line, and the Committee then adjouned till twelve to morrow. GROUP LIM (Grand Ce ' r ridor); Mr. Lascell e s i n th e c h a i r. Th e Committee me t to-clay at twelve o'clock, la itOom N o. 2 6 They resumed the consideration of the Mr. Robert Stephenson was examined by Sn7a.xVzslxtiltlr AND BIRMINGHAM. the engineering msrits Mr. Hon, In &tall, Mr. Tatao'r cross-examined Mr. Stephenson on behalf of the South Staffordshire line, at which the Committee adjourned, at four, to twelve o'clock to-m orrow as to ---- Vtlie usual hour, Dr. Bowring This Committee met thistlmituu-17--ingLaxt in the chair. GiZEILT LEINSTEE AND 111/171q5•r,,. _XILZZNNY TO OLOrriviZ," ago. The CllAßitmeN asked what had been done to carry — h ) ,: arrangement which had been come Ito yesterday re ;,'" f reet the agreement for compensation ? Pecti the Mr, Picht.Eatiqo, on the part of Sir E. Kearney, one or the ob posing landowners, stated that an agreent had been drawn ,1 1 , - and handed to the promoters for their si e gn m ature. Mr. CLEMENTS—Yes, but the document has been only handed to us two minutes ago, and it required some tune to consider a solemn instrument like that. It was then agreed that the Committee should then adjourn till two o'clock, to allow time for that purpose, _ . On the re-assembling of the Committee, Mr. PICKERING said that he had received the agreement with cer tain amendments and alterations. After a short consultation the agreement, with a few alterations, was then agreed upon by both parties. The CHAIRMAN then announced that the preamble of the Great LeinstQr and Munster (No. 2—Kilkenny to Clonmel) Bill was proved. The clauses of the Bill were then passed, and the Bill ordered to be reported. The Committee then broke up. STANDING ORDERS' COMMITTEE. HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships met this morning at one o'clock, Lord Shaftesbury in the chair. Present the Marquis of Winchester and Lord Hawarden. There were eight Bills on the list, all railway kill's. MIDLAND (LEICESTER AND SWANNINGTON ALTERA TION AND BRANCHES). MIDLAND (NOTTINGHAM AND MANSFIELD BRANCH). In both these cases the standing orders bad been complied with. KILMARNOCK AND TROON. This case stood over till to-morrow. Their Lordships then reavlved themselvo !sty A Select Cvilulgitee on Mcrae. The list Included but three Bills, two of which were branches of the Great North of England Railway. The case of the AMBERGATE, NOTTINGHAM AND BOSTON, AND EASTERN COUNTIES JUNCTION, was opened, and some witnesses called, but the further hearing was adjourned till Friday. GREAT NORTH OF ENGLAND (BOROUGHBRIDGE BRANCH). GRE A T NORTH OF ENGLAND (BEDALE BRANCH) These cases were again called on and finally disposed of, being passed, with an amendment in accordance With the determination expressed by the Committee on Saturday, that at all level crossings on public roads lodges should be erected as well as gates. Their Lordships then resumed the form of a Standing Orders Com mittee, and proceeded with the five Bills remaining on the list. SCOTTISH CENTRAL (ALLOA BRANCH). SCOTTISH CENTRAL (PERTH TERMINI AND STATIONS). The promoters of these Bills had complied with the standing orders in both cases.' LONDON AND SOUTH-WESTERN (FARNHAM AND ALTON BRANCH): A similar decision was made in respect of this Bill. GLASGOW, AIRDRIE, AND MONKLANDS JUNCTION". This Bill was also passed, the standing orders being proved to have been complied with. DUNBLAN E, DOUNE, AND CALLANDAR. This was the last Bill on to-day's list. The case stands over, and will be proceeded with to-morrow. The Committee rose shortly before four o'clock, and adjourned till to-morrow at two. HAMPTON RACES (THIS DAY-BY EXPRESS.) (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) The Surrey and Middlesex Stakes. Jenny Wren Marquis of Conynghara Eight started. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS DAY) HOUSE OF COMMONS. NAVAL CIVIL DEPARTMENT BILL, Sir C. NAPIER (in continuation from our Afternoon Edition) said—The steamers to America and the West Indies went regularly all the year round, as did also the Liverpool and Glasgow packets; yet when the Admiralty ships went out in stormy weather they got wrecked.—(Hear, hear.) The fault he considered was in the construction of the Ad miralty, and the leaving of the matter all to the manage ment of one man.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. and Gallant Member then analysed at some length the method of conduct ing business by the Admiralty, which he considered to be most improper and inefficient. The business ought to be properly classified, and each department superintended by a proper officer instead of the whole being under the control of the men who could not attend to it. Especially there ought to be a Comptroller of the Dockyard, and of the Victualling Department, instead of Captain Roos only running down to Portsmouth once a year and taking a mere glance at what was going on. The man who should be placed at the head of these departments should be responsible for the efficiency of everything under his charge. Were this the case, instead of having as bad a steam frigate as they could well have, they would have as good a one as could be desired. The Bill he proposed would meet all these evils, and provide for one efficient management of the departments to which he had referred. He thanked the House for having listened to his statement, and he would sit down by moving the second reading of the Bill. Lord INGESTRE considered the government of the navy of the country to be a subject of the most paramount import ance. In seconding the motion- for the second reading of the Bill, he wished it to be clearly understood, that it was from no party feeling or sordid motive towards those gentle men who were placed at the head of affairs in the Admiralty. In 1832 a Bill was introduced which had for its object the abolition of the Navy Board, and in abolishing the Board the House went rather too far, as it threw an unfair distribution of labour upon the First Lord of the Admiralty, whose office was better placed in the bands of a civil rather than a naval officer. The Admiralty Board had no time to devote to scientific operations, as they were so much occupied in correspondence and other matters connected with the business of the office. He com plained that the returns he had moved for and obtained were very garbled and incorrect, and had no signature attached to them, so that their correctness was not vouched for. He hoped that the Gallant Officer, the Member for Ripon, would give some explanation of the report. There were no dia grams given in the returns, and he should like to have the opinion of the Admiralty upon them. 3t was important that they should be assured of going in the right direction. It was a question whether the construction of steamers of large dimensions was advantageous or not to the service. He thought that steamers built on a smaller scale would be found more efficacious and useful. These, however, were considerations which should be referred to the Naval Board, for them to decide on. He had al luded to the expenses, the trickery, the jobbing, that was going on in the naval department, and the falsified returns, by which the House and the public were prevented from arriving at any correct knowledge of facts. It was time that a stop should be put to the reckless manner in which money had been expended in buildi ng s hip s .—(Hear, hear.) Although he did not agree with all the details of the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman's Bill, yet he should be happy to vote for its going into Committee, as it would, in Lis opinion, tend to prevent many of the abuses of which he had complained. Mr. CORRY thought that the opinions of the Hon. and Gallant Officer, the Member for Marylebone, on the construction of the Admiralty Board were quite inconsistent with his previously expressed opinions. A more objectionable measure than that proposed by the Gallant Commodore could not have been conceived. The Navy Board at the time of its dissolution consisted of six officers, who acted individually, each as a check on the other. He objected to special power being lodged in thehands of one individual, who was to be in a measure irresponsible for any of his acts, and who should not be liable to be removed on a change of Administration. He thought the whole of the measure extremely offensive. It would entail great delay in the execution of the public ditties, and would not be counter-balanced in any way by any corresponding advantage. The Hon. Gentleman reviewed the opinion which had been expressed by the Gallant Commodore on the sailing qualities of the experimental squadron. The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving that the Bill be read a second time that day six months. The SPEAKER having put the question, Lord INGESTRE explained. Captain PECHELL said that the Right Honourable Gentleman, in making his motion, mu s t h ave for gotten that it had been sanctioned by the very high authority of Captain Rouse, whilst filling the office of a Lord of the Admiralty. It had also the support of the Noble Lord the Member for Staffordshire. He considered it the duty of the House to pass such a Bill with a view to the correction of the evils which had been so fully exposed and proved to exist in the naval department by the Honourable and Gallant Member (Sir C. Napier). The instant a member of the Admiralty presumed to hold an independent opinion he must prepare to leave that depart ment. That was one amongst other reasons why the House should pass this Bill. It was most desirable that the First Lord of the Admiralty should have it in his power, without risk of loss of office, to act in accordance with what he con ceived to be the interest of the navy. He thought that the Surveyor of the Navy was deserving of the highest respect; and the Admiralty, in endeavouring to get rid of him were, in his opinion, acting a very unwise and unjust part. —(Hean) The Gallant Admiral (Sir E. Cockburn) would hereafter be called upon by him to produce a certain docu ment, by which it had been agreed by the Members of the Admiralty to make the Surveyor of the Navy a perfect cipher. He was very glad that the Bill proposed to maintain the services of the Secretary of the Admiralty. He hoped that a Board might be appointed to in quire whether the Admirals were fit to command; he believed that there could not be found at the present mo ment in England an admiral able to command the squadron of evolution. There was such a spirit of insubordination in the Admiralty that he certainly was of opinion that this Bill would effect a change which would be highly bene ficial. His constituents were always calling upon him to vote for reduction of the expeusea in the naval department. This Bill had certainly been brought forward without much consideration; but he was at all times ready to vote for a motion that would have the effect of improving the present management of the navy, and he should, there fore, vote for the second reading of this Bill. Sir G. COCKBURN defended the members of the Admi ralty against the charges of mismanagement which had been brought against them. Captain PLUMRIDGE said he knew two gentlemen that were most unfairly treated by the Board of Admiralty; men who held inferior offices, and of inferior quality, were ap pointed to situations before them. Mr. C. WOOD supported the Bill, the object of which he said was to restore the intermediate authorities in the Ad miralty which had been recently removed.—(Hear, hear.) Captain BERKELEY, on the part of Captain Rous, denied that he had sanctioned the introduction of such a Bill as tha before the House. Sir C. NAPIER replied. He commenced by reiterating the statement that the Bill had the approval of Captain Rous, and then proceeded to reply to the speeches of the two Right Hon. Gentlemen the members of the Admi ralty (Mr. Corry and Sir George Cockburn). If the Admiralty consumed less paper in writing nonsensical letters to the Admiralty of the different ports and squadrons, he was convinced that they would more efficiently discharge their duties.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) Their conduct was very like that of children. If they pursued their present course of tactics they would most assuredly destroy the navy.—(Hear ) He had not much fault to find with the Surveyor of the Admiralty, but he really did think that, in every point, that gentleman had not properly discharged his duties. He again repeated his convictions of the absolute necessity of re -constructing the Board of Admiralty. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the second reading of the Bill ll Against Majority against the second reading —96 RATING OF TENEMENTS BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this Bill, Mr. R. PALMER objected to the Bill as it at present stood. He would not, however, oppose its second reading, as it might be amended in Committee. Mr. P. SCROPE thought they ought to pause ere they assented to the second reading of this Bill. It would opt rate, he felt persuaded, against the building of tenements for the poorer classes, as the Bill provided for the rates being paid by the owners of such property, and not by the tenants who occupied them. Ile thought the law as it at present the have no stood was objectionable, but he did n o t thi n k the Bill before the Ho use wou ld meet t h e case. By the Bill, if the owners paid the rat e , t h en i t wou ld b e charged on the occupier in shapee control f trol increased whateverrat e whilenth the atphpel application n and direction o ratepayers would f the rates so raised. He would conclude by moving an amendment that the Bill be readthat • Mr. HAWES moved that the day six months. Mr. SPOONER seconded the debate ' be now adjourned. Mr. MILES thought, as it was impossible question that sitting and take the mpossible to argue the division before six o'clock, it would be better to adjourn the debate. The debate was then adjourned till this day week. SMOKE PROHIBITION BILL. The further consideration of this Bill, after a short conv,r sation, was adjourned till Wednesday the Bth of July. PLACES OF WORSHIP, &c. SITES (SCOTLAND). The adjourned debate on this Bill was put off till to morrow. CORONERS' (IRELAND) BILL. On-the motion of Lord LINCOLN the House went into Committee on this Bill. W SOMERVILLE objected to going on at that late hour Sir • rtant Bill, containin fifteen h such an impo g en clauses, when wit near six o'clock, and there were other orders of the it was day to be disposed The CHAIRMAN Ihen reported progress, a n d as k ed leave ;o sit again. The House then resumed. The Administration of Crimin al Justice Bill was rea d a third time and passed. The other orders of the day were then dispond of, And the Home adjourned At Sig o'clock. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LOR DS, June 16. THE GAUGE QUESTION. • Lord L Y T TEL TON presented several petitions from various ' persons complaining of the report of the Gauge Commis ' sioners, and praying the House to take the report into further consideration. OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE RAILWAY. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from a person of the name of Brown ;against the Oxford and Cambridge Rail way, and designated the promoters of that scheme as a parcel of speculators. The Earl of HARDWICKE denied that such was the case. He himself held a number of shares in the line, and he was no speculator. His ' reason for connecting himself with it was because it passed contiguous to his property. Other parties, also, who had shares in it were locally interested, and were no speculators. They wished to have some control ever its management. The Duke of BUCKINGHAM presented several petitions against the Oxford and Cambridge Railway, from the city of Oxford, from Bedford, and other places. Lord DACRE concurred in the observations of the Noble Earl ( Hardwieke). He was aware that many parties con nected with that railway were locally interested, and ought not to be designated speculators. Lord BROUGHAM said he had not the slightest doubt as to the truth of his Noble Friend's statement. He (Lord Brougham) did not charge the promoters as being mere land-jobbers and share-brokers, but he said that was gene rally the case in such undertakings. It appeared that the shares in this railway were in the hands of gentlemen locally interested, but he prayed their Lordships' attention to this, that the Noble and Gallant Lord who spoke first told their Lordships that he was obliged in self-defence to take shares in railways that proposed to pass over his property, so as to preserve it from the destruction with which it was threatened. That was not the case with his Noble Friend behind him ; he was not a speculator, but a large landed proprietor in the district through which this railway pro posed to pass. He (Lord Brougham) admitted that all that were engaged in that railway wore respectable people. But his Noble I•riend had said that he (Lord Brougham) had made a coloured statement. Now what was that coloured statement ? It was this, that a respectable gentleman, whose name he had given, and who was High Sheriff of that counts , last year, com plained that the railway would destroy his house and park. Why that was not a ♦ery coloured statement, unless it was true, as his Noble Friend behind him would have their Lordships believe, that it was very doubtful whether the gentle man said so or not. The Noble Lord had said he did not know his property. Why that was the very reason that these statements should be taken for true, because it came from the person that did know this property,. namely, the proprietor himself.—(Laughter.) Surely, Mr. Brown did not dream that he had a building w hich cost a considerable sum of money— his was no cattle in the air or in Spain, and he (Lord Brougham) therefore hoped that the petition of this respect able gentleman, who complained of great annoyance on the part of the proprietors of this railway, would receive the mostatten tive and favourable consideration of their Lordships. EAST AND WEST YORKSHIRE JUNCTION RAILWAY. Earl FITZ WILLIAM presented a petition from a Mr. Berkley against the East and West Yorkshire Junction Railway. LORDS HARDINGE AND GOUGH. The Earl of RIPON moved the postponement of the fur ther consideration of those Bills till some day in the ensuing week. The Duke of RICHMOND wished to know the intention of the Government with respect to their Lordships' amendment. Earl GREY hoped he should have an opportunity of re cording his vote against the amendment. ADJOURNRIENT OF THE HOUSE. Lord STANLEY wished to know whether their Lordships would adjourn over Thursday, the 18th of June, being the an niversary of the battle of Waterloo? The Earl of RIPON stated that it was not the intention of the Government to press any important business upon that day. Lord BROUGHAM—You cannot adjourn the judicial busi ness. CORN IMPORTATION BILL. On the order of the day that the House should go into Committe on this Bill being read, The Earl of WICKLOW proposed as an amendment to the first clause, " That upon all wheat not the production of our colonies, there should be a fixed duty of ss. instead of Is." And should that amendment be affirmed, he should follow it up by proposing a fixed duty on other descriptions of grain in the same ratio. He had already, in the course of the even ing, intimated to a Noble Friend of his that he had given no notice of his intention to move that amendment, but his reasoa for doing so was his expectation that some Noble Lord on the other side of the House would have proposed that amendment. As that, however, was not likely to be the case, he felt him. self bound to undertake the duty himself. The question ~R 5 so much and so discursoriiy discussed, that he would confine himself strictly to the object of his amendment. Before alluding to it, however, he must express his surprise that no answer was given to the question put a short time since to the Noble Earl ( Ripon). He would take the question as to price on the arguments of others. Some maintain that the effect of the present Bill would be to equalise the price of corn, and to prevent fluctuation. He did not agree with that opinion, believing, as he did, that the sliding-scale would effect that object much better, though he thought a fixed duty would effect that object better still. What he wished, however, to impress upon their Lordships was, that if the great object of the Bill be to prevent great fluctuation in price the. in troduction of the amendment he proposed would be mist likely to secure that object. He saw no conceivable reason, also, why the Government did rot introduce a fixed duty on ac count of the large revenue it would produce. Even supposing this small fixed duty would have the effect of raisin; the price of corn, it would have the effect of preventing the fluctuation, of price, as well as giving a greater increase to the revenue ; and he, therefore, was of opinion that, on account of these results, it ought to have been proposed. It appeared very strange to him how the Right Rev. Prelate, who had very lately been raised to honours and dignity, should be so ready to strip the landed interest of this country of protec tion.—( Hear, hear.) He felt convinced that any measure which would tend to injure the landed aristocracy would be attended with much danger. The first argument which struck him was, would they tax the necessaries of life? Why should they tax every other necessary of life but corn. Now, with regard to sugar, he considered that almost as much a necessary of life as any other article, and still the tax was kept on. The Noble and Learned Lord (Brougham) had stated that there was a great difference between duty and revenue, and that for that reason it was necessary to keep up duties on all other articles. He saw no reason why the duty should not be kept upon corn, if only for the purposes of the revenue. While duties were paid on other articles of consumption, he could not vote for taking eff the corn duty. He believed that if it had not been for an unfortunate letter written in January last—a letter which was published for a very different purpose to that which it had been supposed—if it had not been for that letter he be lieved the present measure would never have been heard of. He proposed the present amendment, not for the purpose of keeping up protection—he wanted not protection, but he wanted to place the question upon a sure and certain basis. He was prepared to say that if the present Ministry were to go out of office—as out of office they would go very shortly—and that Noble Lords on the other side of the House, who would succeed them, were to introduce a Bill with such a clause as the one he now proposed, they would give very ge neral satisfaction.—(Hear. ) This was not the moment to bring forward such a measure—a moment when two Republics were at war with each other—a moment, too, when America was successful. But whether she was successful or not, she would be at no loss to find a ground of quarrel with this country, even supposing the Oregon que s ti on t o b e sett l e d . He would co nc l u d e by proposing the amendment now before the House. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that he would not have risen at this moment but for the allusion made by the Noble Earl who bad just sat down to the Noble Lords on his side of the House, with respect to the amendment he had proposed. He trusted that in opposing that clause he would not be found inconsistent with the principles and opinions which he had always entertained on this subject. Looking to the great weight and importance of the landed interest, and at the feelings of those under them, he considered these parties should receive the greatest attention from the Govern ment of the day. At all times they were entitled to the consi deration of the House. It could not be denied that all protec tion kept up the rate of priees—( Hear, hear) — and he supported the Bill because it would tend to the reduction of those prices. Still he did not think the reduction would be very great. He believed the prices on the continent would rise, and the prices here would fall a little, but the effect would be an equalisation of prices that would operate to the advantage of the public. Those who talked of the danger to agriculture, gird spoke of the peculiar burdens on land, should recollece - ktr*lhe agriculturists had great ad vantages given them in good roads and conveniences in ex change for these burdens. Tne equivalents in the shape of these improvements were more than equal to any of the burdens that were represented to press peculiarly on land. They had appliances such as no other country had, and they ought to be able successfully to compete with any foreign countries. When they talked of the expenses in this country, they ought to consider the cons eniences they had compared with foreign countries. If they had increased the prosperity of the country, they increased the value of the land in the same ratio ; and if the repeal of the protective laws led to an increase of prosperity, as he believed it would, then would the landed interest participate in that improvement. They had only to lock at the enormous increase in the value of land during the last hundred years to be persuaded of the advan tages that had resulted from an increase of commerce.— ( Hear, hear.) But they were told they ought to support a tax on corn as a means of revenue. He agreed in that. He thought this article should be equally subject to taxation as any other article of consumption. He was net led away by the clap -trap of cheap bread to oppose any tax on grain ; and he thought to retain a five shilling duty would operate but little as a measure of protection, and was not to be defended un that ground. Neither did he think it would operate to any great extent in the amount of price on wheat. There was one point which he was surprised had never been referred to, namely, the great disproportion between the price of grain and the price of bread.—( Hear, hear.) The difference in the price of grain between this country and foreign countries was but little as compared with the difference in the price of bread. He thought it would be wise to retain a small fixed duty for the purpose of revenue, but he could not consent to endanger the present Bill because it did not exactly propose what he should like to see carried out. He must say that he had come to the determination of supporting this Bill, precisely from the prin ciples which he had previously maintained on the subject of the corn-laws. He was not very strongly in favour of the Bill or the manner in which it had been brought fors, and. He agreed with the Noble Duke on the cross-benches as to what he said a few nights ago, that the sliding-scale seemed to have been introduced for the purpose of embarrassing the agricultu rists. He could not conceive a bill more absurd than that which lay on their Lordships' table. A Noble Lord had made a most powerful speech, a few nights ago, in which he showed that the sliding-scale was the most absurd sys tem that could by any possibility be devised.—( Hear. ) That speech was supported by a great number of tabular proofs, showing that the sliding-scale was a complete fiction anti an entire delusion ; it never had as yet secured a fixity in prices. —(Hear, hear.) But this Bill continued the sliding -scale for the next three years; that most absurd system was retained in the Bill. He thought that the Prime Minister in advocating this question rested his arguments in favour of it on the ground that during the next two years this Bill would leave time for naore improvements in agriculture, and more draining. Why what sort of an argument was that ? In the first place it was clear that it might be assumed by such an argu ment, to be admitted even by the advocates and supporters of this Bill, that the removal of protection from agricul ture would injure the agricultural interest. Now he did not admit the truth of such an argument. The Prime Minister had laid himself open to such an observation, and that they must go on draining their land in order to meet the difficulties in which they would be placed by the Bill. He never heard amore absurd argument than that in his life.—( Hear, hear.) He happened to be acquainted with several large agriculturists, and having talked to them on this subject, they admitted unanimously that the sliding-scale had o p era t e d mos t i n j ur iously to their interests. He did not he ar one s i ng l e person ray that the sliding-scale would be to their interest. The proposal to maintain the sliding-scale for the next three years would have the effect of disturbing the different relat r i n o - n la s w o: the Th co is un ß tr ill y with respect to the question of the would do great injustice to the gre at r d principle The first Minister of the Crow n oth o isßill f principally free on what was called the famine in res ted Ireland. He (the Marq u i s of Clanricarde) , for one, did not attempt degree.todeprecite l th ie e ex tent of that calamity in Ireland in thesmallest absurd hear,) asrured tt ' o l o ' wh say knew that it was, for the most part, confined to particular lo calities—hed(ldnfrehoaemr, were, it did not amount to a famine.--(Hear, doubt, small where distress did prevail ; bet it won that this measure, which they were now discussing in the of June, would have the effect of month meeting the present distress in Ireland. The calamity had,- But the Government took no doubt, been increasing. the most admirable measures on that subject.—(Hear Inv') I" b yre hi s sct c' 4 Wilang tititimony t 9 their activity The LORD CHANCELLOR—The House could not ad. 'own ; there was a commission appointed for that day ; accord ing to usual custom the House would not assemble for the dis cussion of any important measure. The Duke of RICHMOND said he thought that it was necessary to explain, after what had fallen from his Noble Friend the Earl of Ripon. He had the other night gone over to his Noble Friend, and asked what course the Government intended to pursue. The First Lord of the Admiralty had overheard all that passed, and he certainly thought be was en titled to all the information he had requested, If the decision of those of their Lordships who had been attending Committees since twelve o'clock, and then came into the House until it rose, were to be overturned by those of their Lordships who went comfortably home to dinner, and who had heard nothing of the argument in the first stage, ce r t a i n l y he was not surprised at eiter of the observations of his Noble Friend, or at any combi nation which might be entered into.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") The Earl of RIPON was sorry that he should have to explain that he had misunderstood his Noble Friend the Duke of Rich mond, or that his Noble Friend had misunderstood him ; hut he at any rate felt himself justified in reserving himself for the opportunity to which he had alluded. Lord STANLEY said, that he did not mean to say anything which would be in the least disrespectful to the Noble Earl. What he did complai n o f was, that there was no notice of the amendment which had been moved. According to the forms of the House, such was a requisite proceeding. He was exceedingly surprised at the course which had been pursued. The amendment to the Bill would have been fatal to it, as the House of Commons, without waving a privilege which he hoped they never would surrender, would not sancliou a Bill of the kind having suffered such a material alteration. The Duke of CLEVELAND said, he was gi.eatly surprised that the amendment had been introduced without the ordinary notice having been given. Lord MONTEAULE was glad that his Noble Friend had brought the motion forward; he supported him on that occasion and he would support him again when it was brought forward. Nobody could impute to the Noble Duke any intention of taking the House by surprise, for the truth was that it originated with himself. After a few words from the Earl of St. Germans, the Duke of Richmond, and the Earl of Ellenborough, the subject dropped. _ _ CORN-LAWS. Earl STANHOPE presented a petition from the working men of Birmingham against the repeal of the corn-laws. The petitioners most solemnly objected to the passing of any mea sure affecting the general interests of the labourer, without first consulting the opinions of the people upon the justice of such a step. They stated that those measures would not be attended with reciprocity on the part of any foreign Govern ment, but would inflict a most !emus injury on the interests of British enterprise. The prayer of the petitioners was that they would oppose the passing of the Bill for a repeal of the corn laws, and also the tariff, unless accompanied with a Bill for a repeal of the present poor-laws, a Bill to limit the hours of labour to ten hours for the purpose of protecting the working classes and their interests, and also a Bill for the total repeal of the duties on coffee, sugar, soap, and tea, and on all articles of necessary consumption. He would observe that the prayer of this petition was echoed throughout the length and breadth of the country. THE MINISTERIAL MEASURES. The same Nonce EARL said, that before going into Com mittee on the Bill before them, he wished, in pursuance of the notice which he had given, to ask a question of the Noble Earl the President of the Board of Trade. He wished to ask that Noble Earl what, in his opinion, or in the opinion of her Majesty's Ministers, would be the effect of the Bill now upoc their Lordship's table,—whether it would have the effect of raising or depressing the price of corn ? It had been said by his Noble and Learned Friend opposite that it was impos sible to say what would be the exact prices of corn after the passing of this measure. He (Earl Stanhope) should be quite satisfied if the Noble Earl could say what would be even the general range in prices of corn under this law. The Earl of RIPON said that the question which the Noble Earl had put to him bad already been answered 11 her Majesty's Ministers in the course of this discussion. Z o the answer which they had given he certainly adhered, and that answer was to this effect • —That he believed it would not be possible for the human mind to devise any mode of answering such a question so as to give satisfaction to the Noble Lords of those who held the same opinions, because the prices of corn were subject to such variations from the seasons. On looking back to the range of prices in corn in previous years, there had been nothing but fluctuations. Every answer that had been previously given as to the future prices of corn had been corn pletely falsified. He, therefore, could not prophecy what would be the exact prices of corn after the passing of this Bill. Earl STANHOPE said he did not reqnire the Noble Earl to say what would be the exact prices the next year after this came into operation. He wished to know what would be the average prices for a number of years ; whether they would be higher or lower than at present ; but it was perfectly apparent to their Lordships, and it ought to be known to the country this t.a c m he et haE: measure that r r Id e —( Hear, hear)—that her Majesty's Ministers had proposed o w rfev, i with \ho‘ut, o .cld f u op t ii tf owi r : a_ ts n o E t ( l pcAe a ignorance r r ti o elm w earu e lls d ):_hseaa nby quences e d tsht a with :nthe that ereas tss feg answer the eountry.—(Cheers.) the Noble Earl (the Earl of Ripon) was most unsatisfactory.n The question was, what would be the general effect of this hi think isna f ki o d r wo t i,l w l3 e idy n o t d y yeoaru measure upon the prices of corn? The Ministry were acting in years, l goo friend, a havewd e h o cis ta e nk c en o wo u w rse w of treatment had the same manner as a medical man, who might have attended I I always agreed with his constitution. He then came forward recipe an for you, wh i ch have upon your constitution, but I think it w h il a l t do eff y e o c u t good. He He would say to such a gentleman, " Oh, thank you, my good friend, l am pretty well, thank you ; I don't think that I stand in need of any of your new treatment ; I should like to know what effect it would have upon my frame." He might answer my good i o ‘ o O d h fr , ie l nd arn , I s h u a re ve l a cannot say what effect it will have ; there is a cer t a i n quack doctor there who has recommended it, and if y ou w i ll take it, and it agrees with you, it will place me ( ea Ch t at once a t t h e head of the profession." " Much obliged to you , 9rs).. .htobjection to cil ro allow youtotr y 413 y ULperilgl tU t upon rue f raise 1 you to the head of the prof ess i on if successful, or damn you at TUESDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE. , BANKRUPTS. once if they ,tic,nl! tt ove. feat to in:, hea:th "—( Lau - ,tri ) James Bickerton, hat manwacturer, Castle-street, Southwark, to The Duke of RICHMOND would answer the question surrender Juno 26, at halt-past one, and July 28, at eleven, at the himself. Mr. Gladstone had stated in his dispatch to Canada Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basing/tall-street; that prices would be 539. an d 51s. per quarter. It was s t range Fox, Finsbury-circus. that that dispatch had bee n published in Parliament long before Henry Elphick, licensed victualler, IVardour-street, St. James's, . June 23, at half-past one, and J u ly 28, at e l even, at t h e C ourt of It could reach the hands o f th e party f or whom it was intended, Bankruptcy. Belcher, official assignee, Buchanan, Basinghall-street. and whatever might be the effect of a change in prices it was William Filbey, coach-maker. Wryadisbury, Buckinghamshire, the dispatch of a Cabinet Minister who was not in Parliament. June 23, and July 20, at Half-past ten, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Perhaps that was no matter as things went now. If there were Liermell, official assignee ; Lloyd, Milk-street, Cheapside. to be no change in prices, why chapel, June 23, at twelve, and July had the Govern men t ra i se d suc h Edward Gardner, manufacturing chemist, Fieldgate -street, White-an agitation throughout the count r y? A n d a ll h e could say 21, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee, Aldertnanbury ; Spillan, Ca- with regard to the di spa t c h was, that i f he were Governor momile-street. General of Canada he should have felt it as a gross insult to John Collins Staines, tailor, Oandle, Northamptonshire, June 30, read his instructions first in the newspapers. at one, and July 25, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Groom, Earl STANHOPE wished to ask whether it was the inters official assignee, Abchurch-lane ; Wood and Fraser, Dean-street, Soho. tion of Ministers to raise p r i ces , to l ower them, or to leave them as they were? He did no t expect t h e N oble Earl to state what Thomas Pilbeam, coachsmith, Parker-street. Drury-lane, June 26, decision he had hims e lf come to, b ut perhaps the great autocrat at two, and July 21, at half-past e l even , at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Edwards, official assignee, Frederick's-place, Old Jewry; of the Cabinet had expressed his own determination—not that Goren, South Molton-street, Oxford-street. that was his usual custom, but from necessity—and he should John Boulton, carrier, Ashton-under-Lyne, June 26, and July 17, now be glad to have an answer. at eleven, at the Manchester District Court. Hobson, official as-lg- The Earl of RIPON—The question has already been asked. nee, Manchester ; Reed and Langford, Friday-street, Cheapside, Earl STAN HOPE—So, because a q uest i on h as been London; Sale, Worthington, and Shipman, Man c h es t er .; a l - William Kirby, hotel keeper, Liverpool, June 23, at twelve, and ready asked before, and not answered, it was a sufficient reason July 21, at eleven, at the Liverpool District Court. Turner, official why it should not be answered at all. The Earl of RIPON th oug h t t h at h e had g i ven a sufficient assignee, Liverpool ; H line and Co., New Inn, Londo n ; Y a t es , j un ., Liverpool. reason for not replyi ng , i n stat i rg that he should shortly give a Joseph Greaves Smith, grocer, Liverpool, June 22 and July 21, at full explanation of the course w hi c h t h e G overnment intended twelve, at the Liverpool District Court. Bird, official assi gnee , Li ver - pool; Keightley, Cunliffe, and Beaumont, Chancery-lane, London; to pursue; and he would not be compelled to divulge whit it Hetherington, Woods, and Woodburn, Liverpool. was at present proper to conceal, nor would he permit himself Patrick Hare, tallow chandler, Liverpool, June 29 and July 21, at to be charged by any man with what was termed a susicious twelve, at the Liverpool District Court. Bird, o fficial a ss ignee, silence. p Liverpool; Norris and Co., Bartlett's- buildings, London ; Avison and Pritt, Liverpool. The Earl of STANHOPE h a d no intention to impute im- Maller Bates, at proper motives to th e N o bl e E ar l , b ut he thought the course twel ' ve,atthe Manchester District Manchester, June 29 and July 22, ee , pursued, in his decli n i ng to answer the question pat to him, Court.Fra se r, official ass Ig,, Manchester; Cooper, Manchester ; Gregory, Faulkner, Gregory, and was a suspicious one. Skirrow, Bedford-row, London. Earl GREY said, that the object of the Bill was not to secure prices at 80s. 60s. or 555.. but to bring price to its na- George Barton and John Barton, copper roller manufacturers, Manchester, June 30 and July 20, at eleven, at the Manchester Dls tural level. That was the object Of the proposed measure, and trict Court. Fraser, official assignee, Manchester ; Slater and Heel's, Manchester ; Milne, Parry, Milne, and Morris, Temple, London. he did not think the advooates of the Bill should be called Sidney Smith, grocer, Bristol, July 2, at one, and August 3, at upon to say what the price of corn would be when it came into eleven, at the Bristol District Court. Miller, official assignee, Bristol ; operation. They mi g ht b e as we ll ca ll e d upon to say what the Perkins, Bristol. price of tea, cotton, or any other commodity would be in the William Henry Smith, printer, Swansea, Glamorganshire, July 2 event of modifications of the duty on those articles. The result and August 3, at one, at the Bristol District Court. Hutton, official of all predictions as to price he found to be erroneous ; and he assignee, Bristol; Strick, Doughty-street, London. therefore considered that it was unfair that they should be called upon to state what would be the price of corn consequent on these changes. The Duke of WELLINGTON rose to order. This de sultory discussion was entirely contrary to rule. It was not competent for them to go into the general question then, but when the Bill went into Committee they might do so. After a few words from the Earl of STRADBROXE and the Earl FITZWILLIAM, The Earl of RIPON moved the order of the day for going into Committee on the Corn Importation Bill. The Duke of RICHMOND said that before going into Committee, he wished to give notice, that when the second reading of the Superintendent Convicts Bill came on, he would move an amendment against it. It was here intimated to the Noble Duke that the Bill was read a second time. The Duke of RICHMOND—Then I think some one con nected with the Government ought to have made a statement in reference to it. It was a Bill which required some ex planation. The Duke of WELLINGTON said that his Noble Friend the Under-Secretary for the Colonies had not made a long speech, but he had made a few observations in support of the Bill. and judgment in ereleevosteing to supply the peopl e with foal A -u!Ant iiaci b, en applied to the resource. of the country in providing labour for the poor. Rut then what had that to do with the measure of free trade ? They had heard in the course of this discussion of the great wisdom, and zeal, and honesty, and he knew not what, in fact, of the virtues of the Prime Minister. It had been said that Sir Robert Peel was the greatest Minister to be found in the history of this coun try. Good God ! were they to say all this of a Minister that had acted the part of Sir Robert Peel—a man who confessed that for the greatest part of his life his judgment was erro neous, and that his political conduct was not in unison with sound principies?—( Hear, bear.) Was a men, because he confessed that he had been in errer during the greater part of his life, to be lauded beyond measure? He ( the NLiquis of Clanricarde) could not listen to such a proposition. And more than that, when they were called upon to scrutinise the whole of such a Minister's conduct, they would find that there was nothing extraordinary as regarded his honesty to a great party. The Minister had sacrificed a great party. But he (the Marquis of Clanricarde) had not the slightest conception in his mind, nor could he, by any exertion of his intellect, bring himself to see, how Sir Robert Peel, in changing his opinions, and avowing I that change, had entitled himself to laudation ?tape ad nauseam.—( Hear, hear.) It had been said that Sir Robert Peel intended, when this Bilk was passed, to relinquish office and power. Now he (the Marquis of Clanricarde) believed in saes such rumour.—( Hear, hear.) Let their Lordships look to his speeches, and they would find no admission of that sort. If they read his speeches, they would find that, in answer to the addresses of the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton, in support of a repeal of the corn-laws, he stated a few years ago, that he was convinced that the continuance of a sliding-scale was necessary for the maintenance of British prosperity. Now he did not think that so sudden a change as had taken pl ace i n t h e mind of the Prime Minister redounded to his credit in the slightest degree. And then they heard him talking of the difficulties of reconciling the interests of an ancient Monarchy, a proud aristocracy, and a reformed House of Commons. He (the Marquis of Clanricarde) took leave to say, that more injury than by such practices could not be in flicted on this country by a man occupying a high station.— ( Hear.) More injury was thus done to the aristocracy, more injury was done to the Monarchy than any other course could do.—( Hear, hear.) He admitted that he could have wished that this question should have been submitted to another Par liament; he saw no reason why an appeal should not have been made to the country.—(Hear, hear.) Sir Robert Peel had every opportunity of doing so. Parliament was dissolved in 1841 upon this question, but under totally different circum stances. Parliament was then dissolved because the Government of the country had not a majority to carry their measures. They did that which it became the Ministers of the Crown to do. When they thought they had reasonable grounds to expect the support of the country they appealed to the country. There was no prospect of Sir Robert Peel's getting that support. Did the Cabinet propose any temporary settlement for a temporary distress ? No, the pro position was to open the ports. He referred to these matters because of the monstrous and extravagant laudation of Sir Robert Peel in regard to this Bill. He did not mean to sus -1 pect his motives ; he admired Sir Robert Peel as much as any other man—(Hear, hear, and laughter)--he considered him to be a man of great talents, but he did not consider him a man of great force. His invariable principle was to surrender to the pressure from without, and he would not call a man who did that a great Minister. —( Hear, hear.) His changes had ever been with the current of the moment, and it was a little too much for them to be told that they were to carry by acclamation the Bill before them, in admiration of the Minister who proposed it. —( Hear, hear.) He (the Mar quis of Clanricarde) was perfectly unbiassed in this matter. He could assure their Lordships that he now entertained, honestly and conscientiously, every one of those principles and opinions which he entertained on the subject of the corn-laws in 1841. It was impossible for him not to look at the conse quences which would follow his vote on this question, and, en tertaining the principles which he did, he felt himself obliged to say " not content" to the amendment. The Earl of CARNAR VON said the subject had been so much investigated that he should be unwilling to trespass upon their attention. He really believed that the result of this Bill would be to throw the land of this ceuntry out of cultivation. Emplojment would be decreased, and what the poor man would gain on one hand he would more than lose on the other.—( Hear, hear.) It was the great increase of the circulation of capital which produced the beneficial effects alluded'to ; and that might slacken, and at a time when there was a great abundance of corn in the market ; and there might come that deep distress upon the tenant-farmer whims his heart bled to think of. He considered that their Lordships should legislate as much for little men—( Hear, hear)—as for great proprietors. If they passed the present measure they would have to sacrifice that principle of evenhanded justice which had ever distinguished their Lordships, f or th e y wou ld h ave to sacrifice she tenant farmer to the interest of the manufacturer.—( Hear, hear.) The House was so very wearied with these discussions, that he would not detain them longer, but he could not think it was right in them however to throw away the revenue which pro tection had afforded the Crown. If that revenue did not pro ceed from indirect sources, they should raise it by direct taxation. He would conjure them to weigh well the vote they were about to give upon the present question, for if they mis conceived its bearings it would not be any single man, but it would be the whole country,, which would have to pay the penalty. (Hear, hear) — and he did not conceive that they should legislate upon this subject without having reference to the real opinion of the great constitutional bodies in the country. A Minister was not to overbear the country or the expression of opinion ; if such were to be the case, they would not be living under a mixed Government, but under a despotism under the name of the Kings, Lords, and Commons—a despotism which would be of the worst description, as it would be under the semblance of liberty and the constitution. He could not understand way it was that their Lordships refused to sanction an amendment. Why were they not to interfere in the details of the Bill and modify it in such particulars as they might consider necessary ? If they were not to do so, their Loidships' House would become a nul lity—they would be virtually dead, and thenceforward they might amuse themselves with railway legislation.—(Hear, hear.) The argument against appeals to the people upon the present question was, that they would raise a tumult at the elections, but let them not be deceived; when an election came there would still be a strong feeling in favour of such a po pular subject as protection.—( Hear.) He would sit down by saying, if they did not wish to array class against class—manu facturer against farmer—let them accept the amendment, and at once put an end to the agitation. Lord DE MA ULEY said that he had always been opposed to the corn-laws, and therefore had no difficulty in giving his vote upon the present occasion in favour of the Bill. He should vote, however, for the amendment proposed, believing, as he did, that if it were adopted, the Right Hon. Gentleman who brought forward the measure would soon bring forward another in favour of the present amendment. He would sup port the amendment. Lord CLONCURRY said that it had been stated that the corn-laws were of great advantage to Ireland, but he denied that such was the case, for distress existed at intervals in that country which did not prevail in any other part of the world. He would support the Government in passing the measure, as he believed it would be productive of the greatest good to the country. The Earl cf WINCHILSEA would vote for the amend ment, in the hope that a better measure would be brought for ward through an appeal to the country. It was a most uncon stitutional course for Parliament to take to pledge the repre sentatives of the country three years hence to a particular course of policy. Suppose at the expiration of that time the representatives of the people affirmed the present system of protection, where would their Lordships be ?—( Hear, hear. ) NVhatever affected the parochial clergy he could tell them Would affect the moral and religious condition of the people of this country; and believing, as he did, that this Bill would cur tail their means of subsistence, he would reject it. It was a wrong principle that public men should change their opinions on great questions without forfeiting public confidence, even after they had attained the position they held in consequence of their support and advocacy of a policy directly the re verse. He could tell them that if the present Bill were card, d the matter would not rest there, for he would agitate ail the counties, where he had the slightest influence, to reverse that decision. He would support the amendment brought for ward by the Noble Earl, small though the protection was which it gave. Lord POLWARTH said that he bad presented many peti tions on this question from Roxburgh, and other places, and he would therefore lay what information he had acquired upon the subject before their Lordships. It had been stated by those Noble Lords who were in support of this Bill, that land was let, and that very recently, at an increased rental. This was to be accounted for by the fact that the land was taken without any expectation of the present measure being brought in to take off that protection which made land secure as an investment. In 1842, when many of those farms were let, they were let on the faith of the laws then passed with regard to corn. The present measure was one which would greatly injure agriculture, and for that reason he would oppose it. Earl FITZ WILLIAM said that the Noble Lord who had last addressed the House charged the supporters of the present measure with exciting expectations which could not be realised. Now no such expectations had been held out. Another Noble Lord had ehargtd the Ministry with a want of political honesty in not appealing to the voice of the country. There was nothing more dangerous than in appealing to the country upon the question of cheap food.—( Hear, hear.) He did not defend her Majesty's Ministers or their conduct with respect to the present measure. He complained of their not having allowed that House a voice in the introduction of this measure. Why did they not appeal to that House and ask its assistance in the emergency ? By doing so they would have acted in strict con formity with the usual practice on great occasions. —(Hear. ) He contended that that House was also a portion of the demo, cracy cf the country, and as such it was as right to appeal to their Lordships as to any other part of the community. He had no hesitation in saying that her Majesty's Ministers had forfeited all confidence with their Lordships, by the course they had pursued in introducing the present measure. ( Cheering.) In 1t333 be brought forward his motion for free trade in corn, and he was almost isolated in that proposition. He was not supported by Hon. Members on his side of the House—yet, if free trade was to be considered good now, it was equally good then.—( Hear, hear.) In 1839 and 1840 he proposed similar propositions, and he received little support from those who were so anxious in favour of free trade now ; yet he should be very glad to hear the reasons why that which was good in 1845 should be considered as bad in 1e40.—( Hear, hear.) But mark what had happened in 1840. Two of the leaders of the parties of the House of Commons had agreed to the carrying of the present measure, and that House had agreed to it by a majority of 100. In the present House the main question had been affirmed by a majority of 47, and the amendment of the Noble Duke last night had also been wasde- de feated by a majority of 33.--( Hear, hear ) That m otion he practically the same as the one before the House, which measure hoped would be also rejected. He could not risk by agreeing to that amendment, neither coul e d h h e e breialkietvhee Bill by a dissolution of Parliament, and the san hear. ) was the sentiment of her Maesty's Government.—(Hear , wouldand that it would be a great When he saw the measure wit d hin al be law within seven days, an must support it. His con benefit to the country generally, he in the districts where was least ad_ agriculture, especially ,h o is th g a r t as iT viction was that the result of the measure would be to advance actur ng d be the means of generally benefiting all c l asses of labour, an vanced—that it would increase the demand for manuf i thecommunity. Under these circumsta nces h e must vote against the amendment before the House. Lord BROUGHAM said they had listened to two or three able speeches that night, but not the nearest approach had been made to the question of a fixed duty which a w b a i s now before the I s i e e c a o rd nd th ro e a se d4 speeches — Bill, but not bearing e speeches—ad dHreesusseeci ag l a i i e nst ha t d he on the question of a fixed dut which before them. Theses peec , es ) was the real question h had been made by a professed supporter of the measure, and b plaudits as if they had b een t ey d rew f ort h as exciting protection speeches directed against the second rearing of the Bill. They displayed the same music —they were attuned to the same gamut—they were precisely in r harmony with the concert, which, however highly gratifying to the proprietors to whom the chorus was directed, was to him at that advanced period, and in that heated atmos phere and crowded House, anything but acceptable. (Laughter, and cheers.) Yet he had been forced to endure these choral symphonies for four long nights, to an extent that increased, in a most intolerable regree all the effects of heat, bad air, and a crowded and inconvenient house —aggravating ail the miseries that were usually felt at public dinners, where the music with which they were regaled cheered those around the table, though it tfinded to per petuate the reYelo in a head and impure atmosphgre,—,- ___/ (Hear, and laughter) Now, to say one, wen! as to the des bece. A Noble Lord near him said he was in favour of the amendment because he was Against the Bid ; and Y order to get rid of the Bill, he proposed to vote for the an ment.—( Hear, and a laugh.) Tie t was a very strange thud of meet i ng t h e question. A Noble Marquis, who had spoken, s u pp orte d t h e amendment, because he was aga inst the Bill, an d h e (b ird Brougham) had never been so much struck at the effect of a speech as he had been with that. The Noble Earl who had last spoken said something of the same kind, and in the course of it he (Lord Brougham)) had come in for a s h are o f hi s censuring vituperation. Some Pi nt ' . (f his spe ec h escape d hi m, as he appeared to be in confidential communication with some Noble Lords on the other side .0, ; the Ho use , w hi c h h e ( Lord Brougham) could not hear. The circumstance remind e d h im o f what happened to Sere ear ? , ', Davy on th e western circuit, who in addressing a jury efts tol d by the jud ge t o ra i se hi s voice. Sergeant Davy replied `thin he wo u ld ra i se hi s voice whenever he came to anythhineX material."—( L ou d l aug h ter.) So in the present case t were led to suppose that when they wanted the Noble Earl e : raise his voi ce th ey were told he would have done so, b ut il es that there was nothing material.--(Laughter.) He (Lord Brougham) did not k now what the Noble Earl be said in that confidential manner, and therefore P.'; would not have to increase his pain and to detain their Lordships in going through it. The , e 4n , h , Earl said that nothing could have been more insulting t° House than the course her Majesty's Government had taken 20 bringing forward a Bill and not submittin g resolutions on the subject ; f or h a d t h ey given their opinion bv resolution they would not h ave b een driven into a corner as they now were. They were told that this was cootritrY to precedent, but to that he would observe that the questi ° l l now before the House was not more important than the Before! Bill of 1831. And what did her Majesty's Government then.' They did not propose resolutions or act contempora ne" e sll with the Lower House. A Bill instead of this into the House of Commons on the memorable let of March 1831,and they never heard of it its this House, except by the public prints and the votes of the other House until the Bill came 0 1i They were then driven into the corner as to the acceptaree, this Bill, which was to the effect of almost completely chang• ln „ s , the whole course of legislation in the country. But a on-„; wa s bron c h i . , tion, took place, not on the merits of the Bill, hut from a , n t u cause; and a second time, instead of proceeding by reeo IMO; they introduced the Bill into the Lower House, and -t wen through in the regular manner. Not only on that question, °e t on others, whi c h were more of companions to the measure before the House, they had proceeded by Bill instead or „ resolution. N one o f t h e corn-laws had been introduced in ant other w a y. I t was so in 1804; it was so in the stringers Bill of 1815 ; a l so i n t h e Bills of 18' , 2 and 1827 ; and also +Il the Corn Bill of 1842. It was not t h en o bj ecte d t o . an measure introduced by th a t N o bl e E arl ' s Fr i en d , i n IB4lf f on sugar an d corn, b ut which were not successful, t h e pro cess was al so by Bill . H ad those measures gone forward,the would have p rocee d e d b y B ill, and not by resolution. 11'"`'0 he heard his Noble Friend saying that he believed that deiai would be most prejudicial to this measure, he could not teilb, while he heard him drawing forth the cheers of the friend , ' t the am e nd men t, and the enemies of the Bill, he could not A" help sayi ng , " S ave me from my friends."—( Cheers laughter.) The greatest enemies of the Bill could n ot ho es made more admirable confessions in favour of protection- What said hi s N o bl e F r i end (aed he begged to observe that 1 16 differed from him foto cee/o)? He said you dare not appeal to the f people.—(Protectionist cheers.) He knew the meaning these hostile cheers ; they formed a very different chorus,: those cheers which followed the dulcet strains of his Nob le Friend.—( Laughter.) He did not, however, wonder et th e _ discordant cheers. They came naturally and consistently fr ° , the enemies of the Bill and the friends of the amenerW es e But his Noble Friend placed his candour—he was going to.sri. his co urage — (Laughter) —promine n t] y forward in this snatt e , o , Now, how his Noble Friend, or any other man, could Oe so a e4 laded as to think that there was any foundation that that aPP ..eI to the people would be fatal to this Bill he (Lord Brougiru'ra was utterly unable to comprehend.—(Hear, hear.) His ( we re Brougham's) firm belief was, that if the countrYe.l7, -- ( Cries of " No, no.") Then his Noble Friend said appealed to their verdict would lie in favour of the 'els thar ou o . reason for voting against the amendment was, because , t w ht allow a twelvemonth's time for consideration, which on e g. lee d fatal to the Bill.—( protectionist cheers.) His Nob did not say that he believed that the majority of the rentl e ` rag ot e part of th e country would, if the question were postp oneUtt'eis against the B i ll. Now he ( Lord Brougham ) considere .„ 1 , 0 0 duty to protest agaiiast the arguments adduced IV re" ted Friend i n support of the Bill. He should nava "P e .les from the adversaries of the Bill such speeches as had OemoLaa livered by his two Noble Friends. The Noble 13 ar °3 ,,,i e e brought forward some case. of farms lettin at a ro w- ",, r b l as), since the introduction of this measure. He( Lord Breue ou , e for one, placed little reliance on such circumstance: , te ieos each farm that had been let since this measure o'3 be' if duced might be placed in particular circumstance' ; , such arguments we re t o b e b roug h t forward in fas".i.: on tection, he saw n o rea s on w h y they should not be tel'es the opposite s id e .—( H ear, hear. ) Did it not strike toe -, 3 e L i us ness of the No Baron, when using his figure', l pas might be used against him ? Did it not strike thc oe s ron, and ad t h ose w h o acted with him, that there ' u ' ~ great diminution i n th e pr i ce of wheat ? He d i 1 nos entl to be able to answer the question put by the Noble t s=lslthe site, when he as k e d t h e G overnment to say what.o Nor price of food this time twelvemonth—(Earl Stan!. o d 2 . s . _ Lon e. no ")—whether it was to be higher or lower—(Eael " No, no")—or some such question as that.—( Ear! again, " some such question.") Well, the etr ; what was to be th e pr i ce. —(E ar l S tanhope, " er iee price.") W e ll, it was di f fi cu l t to tell what t h e 1(27-F; would be during the next two years, or the neet t. r. years.Sie. (Earl Stanhope," No, no.") The Noble Lord rnie'et sajO i r' no, but he faithfully represented what he said ; Noble Earl said No, no, he (Lord Brougham) ;- ` 1 Na y s It was impossible for him to say what woo .:1 the p ri ces,_st during the nextten years. But the alarmist; tad said there would be a loss of 10s. perquarter, ir 3'); ; acre. Tbsti would e sae, yhe ri t a b y ! they said would be the effect of this frightful A.. , but that be a begging of the question. It was ar: as „ption the truth of which he could not admit ; he was mere arguing on h e .' own figures. Now, let their Lordships lust observe ; a far''' . that had been let at 8201. upon a thirty.eightyears' l eas e, prior to the introduction of this Bill, recently ran out of lease, and it was expected teere would be no o ff er for rt- nut notwithstand ing all that had been said by the alaressste, it had been let since the introduction of this measure inta Parliament at 1,0501., being a rise of 2001. a year. What right, ti-en, had the alarmists to assume that there woul t be a fall in prices under 39e. per acre ? If there were to be sLeh a fall, there ought to be a fall of nearly all the rent. The Noble Earl said so, an ; so there would be. He gallantly as,,umed the fact. He did not assume as bad reasoners did, for no assumed the fact, ands"- : once attempted an inferenc e . Wh eat was not the only grain, there would be a diminuti on proportionably to the other groins_) Now he wished to administer a little comfort to those wli were so much alarmed. He had got statements as Wet. they I themselves ; he did no t a tt ac h muc h va l ue to t h e m, bu were as valuable on the one s id e as on t h e ot her, either for o: against the Bill. N ow h e w i s h e d to adm i n i s t e r t hi s comfort tr. them, becaus e h e en t erta i ne d t h e greates t esteem for these alarmed individuals.—(Laughter.) sine the had receiv ed a letter . last week from a g en tl eman on the subject of farm-lett , the introducti o n o f th e C orn Bill. The writer lived in bawl,f which was represent e d t o b e an excee di ng l y a l a rmed pa rt the country—(El ear , h ear )— an d per h aps t h ere w as 11.0aof Pa rt more alarmed.—(Cries o f " N ame, name.") HI ' II that think that he ought t o men ti on t h e name. I t appear ea a farm of two hundred acres, which was in a very I,w st:-Le cultivation, h a d b een so ld s i nce t h e secon d reading o. the Corn Bill in that Hou s e a t 36 years ' purc h ase. It was reviat , rented at 1201. per annum, and it now realised 6001. SI-) had reeceived another letter from a gentleman who lived el the neighbourhood of the Bentinck's property, whose ra a t.v-c ;, th e writer said, had made themselves very conspicuous be sl.ot use of strong language against this measure, and he itd e 1 that land rented there at the present moment from 501. t o fee:, per acre.—(Hear, hear.) Now, he was decidedly oppose.; to a fixed duty. He would prefer even the slidineesee... ; it be was offered the t wo a lt ernat i ves, either the sli'dia .._tale a fixed duty, he should certainly prefer tat ( Hear, hear.) Because to say that a fixed duty supported because it was a measure of finiiwe waa pre posterous nonsense. ( Hear, hear.) 'there was not 4 - shadow of foundation for it. It might be a fee-sure finance, for the:e was an impression that it was tee soul of much m one y t o t h e revenue. His Nob, s used sai d ' why do you object to this fixed duty, as if it w a r t allyo e : a bad thing ? It was a very great measure ..r tereecei t h e y would would get a la rge sum o f money b y i t; they woo .1 Le (ntoleLi, repeal part of t h e property-tax, and the duties ce coffee, ,:: o f . &e. They would be enabled to obtain ter( vs mieisro ra money by the sc h eme w hi c h he propounded. 1-10jectes •Yie always muraordinarily sanguine. The NOBLE LORD—Not twelve millions. Lord BROUGHAM—WeII, some very I - e sum. The Nosta Lorin —One million from tee torn-laws Ife Lord BROUGHAM—Then he rnisuederttood him. (Lord Brougham) took his stand againe a . xed duty beca use it was a tax on t h e f oo d of the people.—( Hear, hear.) That was the grou n d on w hi c h h e objected t it—it brought the me _ no revenue, no fi nanc i a l measure. 1. it brought tae sn o : revenue, it was a t a x upon the f oo d o f t„ , -._o le. His e f Friend a tt em pt e d to s h ow t h at it would rot raise the price grain in the home market. Why, gracieua heaven 'how T. that? If the price of grain was :355. in tne home marlset--ne: meant the price of grain imported from a foreign ooun,tr2'e from Dantaic, for instance, or Od. sea—it that grain coule_o• sold but for the fixed duty at 350., if tee y did not clap on o' as a bread tax, and thus make it 405., it might have been t originally sold for 355. Before he sat down he really mo s t allude to one circumstance, and that was the very nary condition in which this question was placed. There t , been a most marvellous combination of circumstances atten.n., mg it. There had been a most unheard-of and unearallel re ... singularity and critical position with respect to all the pare ties connected with it. The candid judges of its merits, the open enemies of the measure, and the self-named friends °f the friends Of most extraoFdin e a x ry tra i r. d n a : the measure, feel no very cordial attachment to th . question.--( Hear.) the measure. There hart been the catenations of singular, inconsistent, and conflicting elements, hoped, as triumphant forming one general, grand, and, as he anyu s p t u a u tedthat a change of Go. ntain the Go ' n aa d eued that, therefore, the enemies to rielsieunit upas had gut a e vNerubtal Noble ezursdil I t t a h i ie w ty as it concerned, vernment was inevitable, a ger any nsu t a h ouyt e a l o 3 3u i l t fur o i t t v bbo o tio t at et h d itiznab f so i oe ' eesb r fficenewa i o t rewuhe s t sho. a o eomoefn 1. 7 1 : to t! as to what course he ought to pursue support much iking ; andv"nm"t—hs he gave a lee' pe go rs o on u s t, w w h h y o de v th s o t e te n th deiiiis hfe :N ( t i:oi it'' when he would o a lecture, to be sure , highly refreshing but he could no t could only say the Bill was lost becatoe good d ist n r u y were to did not. But if it were lure to his No r b e lrF n rin the protectionist Lords, and he had the greatest Friend more. But he did of not agree in this change the Ministry by any means, and a short time would tell oh° them, ttßhrthatruereuegh t I wa lo ma u s t g )ha h e h e did not agree with them in all their was the best prophet. There mopeiontban were no more honest tor nor did he agree with them on this question of the Corn 1° .% t otfi But there .on was some advice given by the Noble Marquist he toßtil!' aupyathrtiyn,gasnud gfuivuelnasina tuhuealsittriuoungewsitthmtehnenepra—rtnyowt b.%) were opposed to the Minister. He would tell the Noble Lord there was no danger of any such thing. Well, then, his jeobl° Friends showed a kind of disinclination to any change tak in g place. If they did not wish it Why did they not postpone t. e slier prece=ding with this Bill, and offer it every oppose. emus they could h ave d one i n its other stages ? If they wet') Peers observe rs , vers , t h ey wou l d h ave noticed what was going on in ot he st : places. Aleetings were held for the purpose of evincing a cordial and candid feeling of gratitude for the grea t servief° rendered by the Mi n i s t er , an d f er the purpose of aiding him in his difficulties, and pr even t any f act i ous opposit i on bei ng offered to him. H e (L or d B rougham) took it, t h a t th e object of that meeting was for preventing any coalition betw e the enemies of the measure and those persons whose on ly.. object was to turn out the Government. He therefore consird dared that, as the Government would not go out, the' avnu l have the votes of those persons whom his Noble Friend had en' deavoured to gain over to his side. He also, consider ed e it right to as sure them, that if they adopted P e amendment, the Bill w as l ost , f or i t would be morally throW I N S out the measure, and defeating their own vmte, by which t i he fo y decided it was necessary to read the Bill a secon d time, and go into C omm i ttee upon it. He therefore called 0100 the sololde Lords to reject the amendment. Lord STANLEY cons i dered that when his N o bl e Friend commenced his observations, he said that for two hours be ad b ad been listeni ng t o a di scuss i on, of which " not the who l e , nor the iee d . greater part, nor the major part, no r a l arge por ti on , nor i ll ,e point at 1% any portion tqatavair, had ben diract..4 to the