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the fourth week of the month, 1.5,000 persons. It was well known that indviduals in neutral nations had traded so the East Indies with considerable be nefit both to their nations and to themselves, and it watt fair to conclude, that the capital and enterprise of British merchants, if permitted to be freely di reCted towards !hat great .dat t of . the World, might render it productive of infinite individual and na tional advantage. For his part, he was anxious that the territorial revenue, and the management of the Indian army, should be granted to the Com pany for another term of years, as he conceived they would be much more abused if - transferred to the Crown. However anomalous it might be, that twenty-four private, persons should preside over the territorial and military affairs of that great Pe ninsula, yet he was persuaded it was much better to allow of that than of a greater evil ; but he would solicitously divide the territorial from the commercial sway. Unquestionably, in any new agreement between the Company and the Country, founded on the principle which he had described, it would be necessary to make a variety of proviaiena. To him it appeared most advisable, that all those provisions should be made natters of public dis cussion ; because experience had strewn, that when they were not so, the interests of the country were the invariable sacrifice. As a proof of this fact, he referred to the _proceedings on the last renewal of the Company's charter. It was stipulated in those proceedings, that Government should raise the di vidend of the Company from 8 to 10 per cent, and that the Company should pay four Members of Par liament, , tz. the President of the Board of Controul, two Commissi ners, and a Secretary. All this evinced the necessity of considering this subject to an open Committee of the whole House, rather than in. a S• leCt Committee, and it was on that gr,,und he opposed the motion. General Gascoroira; although he would not op pose the motion tor a-Select Committee, concurred in many of the observations made by the Honour able Gentleman who had just sat dowh, and parti cularly in those which reiated to the trade of the country. He assured the House that there existed in Liverpool a great sensation with resped to a free trade with India. The distress felt by the Mer chatds of Liverpool had been truly described by the Ilon, Gentleman, and they entertained the reason able expectat.on that some alteration, would be made in the state of the carrying trade, and that Liver pool, as well as the other out-pot ta, would be allow ed to participate in the advantages oi a free com merce with India. A petition would have been pre sented on the subjea, had not such a step been deemed premature ; but he could . assure the • House, that la lien the proper period should waive, there war not an out-port in the kingdom from : which petitions would not be presented, for the pur pose which he had mentioned. He trusted, that notwithstanding the appointment of thts. Select Committee for a particular ohjed, the main and ul timate question.would ee taker, into consideration by a Cominitte of she whole House, and that it would be discussed as fully and freely as the ‘ast im portance of the subject demanded. Mr. GRANT folloWed, but spoke in so low a tone of voice, t=hat we are able to give hut an outline of his spec , h.—Tise tendency of the Hon. Gentleman's obser ,, itions, 03 tar as we were able to trolled it, ap peared to was not extremely solicitous • fin the appointment of the proposed Committee at the present motile:lt,. ough he inaietained, in op posit•on to the Hon. Gentleman, that the former ComMittees on the same subject, if they bad not dune all that bad been•expeeted from them, had at afferded.dgreat deal of very valuable ibforina ttote tie aeeined to contend that the public was nustaken, if it supposed that the East India Com pany opposed the opening of the trade on any nar row principle, for that their real motive was the appr, (tension of-opeeing the trade to foreign ceun tries, and eventually of exposing India to foreign subjega. ion. Gen.:ral TAICLEToN thought the port of Liverpool ought to be allowed its fair share in the East India trade. He took occasion to notice the present situa• tion ,of Liverpool, and comparing it with what it formerly was, observed, that !lox, if they went roend its dock, they wou'd see, not signals for sail, ing exhibited by numerous vessels, as formerly, but the broom at the mast-head as a signal for sale. He repeated, that it there was an opportunity, Liver pool ought to be allowed a share in the East India trade. He ,could not see why the Athericans should be allowed that which was denied to his cons'itu cuts. Every out-port ought to have a share in it. MiThopolias were always injurious to - commerce, batieficial to a new, but opposed to the interests of the many . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, was of opinion, the East India trade might be opened in a very considerable degree, and that such enlargement might . be' made with .perfect security to the East India Cumpany. While contemplating this, how ever, they ought to keep in mind the great import aoce of preserving the tranquility of those, posses sions, and he should never enter into the discUssion w mow attending to both those points. - The prin cipal object which he bad in rising in the present debate was, to express his surpiise with respett to what had fallen hem the Hon. Genueman oppo site, on the siiejed of the falling off in one source of the revenue. He had stated the produce of the prOpt•rty tax tor the year ending January 5, 1312, as compared with that ending in the preceding Ja imary, to be 1,16,0001.---(Here Mr. Creevey stated h a assertion to be founded on the returns itiere from the sth of Oetober, 1810, to the sth of ()ember, 1811).—.He (the Chancellor 'of the Ex chequer)' could not immed ably speak With aa-efer enee to tee returns e t adieeethe sth of Odober,fB i i, . but he apprehended the comparison, as made up to the sth of Jantti!y, 1812 (three months later than • the period Ukut,ect uy iltC Honourable Gentleman); would be at least as satiafaetory. to 1 1 19 H ouse ., N ow it so harpeped, that in the returns as madealp•to Jap." - a, 1 - 812, instead of a deficiency of f 000,0001.• aestated by the Hoe. Geollernan (Mi,.Creevey) there was only a deficiency of 2 , 89,00;1i. and the produce of the p.ar en ,itig Jen. 5,, 1312, though 2890001. less than the produce of the year endh g January 5, 1811, was 789,0001. greater than the [nutlet:a', of the preceding year. The desponding v iew t daeo of the situation of the country by - the Hop, Gentlenini, it ould henee be seen was not insitlied , : t ay fe t he real state of things. It would be taking a very narrow view of the sehjat to look upon the trade of the country as ruiner t, from the state of the revenue, taking only two years, into consideratOne more esPe chilly when that ruin was inferred by 'a falling off i n one of those yeers'tas compared' with the other, in which the revenue was greater than it had ever Beep before. If on a'comparison being made" between the returns of the present year, and those of any former year preceding that in which they had been so unprecedentedly great, they were not found unfas curable, it might be for them io regret the diminution that appeated in the revenue of (he present, as compared with that of the last year ; but Ournished_no reason for regarding the trade of the country as ruined. The great= increase which took place in .the year ending I, it had been repeatedly stated, had, ity' part, arisen from that which had frequently beet; 'made a subject of complaint in that House, namely, from the circum stance of his having conceived it to be his duty; since he had been in office, to propose various rnea sures to the, House for 'bringing up the arrears of certain taxes. It was the eifeet of these which had contributed, in no stnail degree, to swell the produce of the last sear so high, when compared with the present.. These measures, it was obVious, if they had the desired effect in the flrs instance, could not go on increasing the revenue in the same propor tion. The sum celleeted its the last year, as being fairly colleelable uitbin the'-year, independent of arrears, &c. he thought not interior to that fairly collectable in the year ending January, 1811 . . The Right Hon. Gentleman - then reheated his state ments, to o'rove that the receipts of the last year, though inferior to Those of the , year ending in January, 1811, exceeded those of the third year back, by a sam amonating to between seven and eight hundred eourels. The Honourable Gentleman, when stating,the diminution in the Pro perty Tax is the - year .ending last month, to be 1,100,0001. had slid he should be glad to hear hint (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) give a satisfac tory expleuatioe, and lee had nu doubt but he was ' glad to hear what he (the Chancellor of the Exche quer) had had the honour to oiler to she 'House._ What he bad stated, he believed,to be correct. He might however be in some small degree mis . aken : he did not think he was.; but he wished the House to take the few rapid observations he had made, as not having been confidently given on mature consi deration. With respect to Liverpool, the state ment made by the Honourable General could not be heard withouesorrow, but the Hon'Ourable Gen tleman who began . the disCuSsion had spoken, not of any particular place,' but ef the ruined owe of our trade in general ; it might appear, vs hen •I he necessary documents were' before the House, that the trade of this country had considerably decreased in the last year, as comp rr,d with what it was in the year ending in January 'lB4 1, but it was not so as compared with the year' preceding that. In the year ending in Jan. 181 I, a greater increase took place, than had byeh ',frown in any lOrmer rear. With the exception of one or two . of the most favoutable years this country had ever seen, our trade in the year ending January 16,12, was not deficient as compared with former year-4. He might perhaps go' farther, fur he had an idea that it-had been greater than had ever been known be fore, with the exception of One 'or two years. The great increase of trade, in the year ending January 1811, had caused' the market 'to be glutted, and in consequence of that glum, sonic dee'ression Led been felt in the fallowing year. That this depression had been telt in various ways, he ad mitted, but dial there was thence any reason to in fer that the trade of tee country was ruined, he denied. Mr. CREEVEY and the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER severally explained. Sir S. ROMILLY thought it miglit - be better to go into a Committee of the %%bole House upon tie hubjeci, than to icier the matter to a Select Com mittee, and - wished to know it the Hon. Gentle man opposite was cf opinion, that the Report ut a Select Committee would bring before the floue that, which it was necessary thcy should be ac quainted with before they .went into Like grand dis cussion. F • Mr. BROUGHAM said, there were many question's of fats which were necessary t i p to tliscus,ed by the exaMination of witnesses before the House, anterior to their proceeding, to decide on the grand qnestion. He then took a view of the different opinions enter tained on the subje& by persons - possssing local knowledge of our East India posiesSions. Unless the patties which thus opposed to each other in sen timent were biought before the House, so that Gen tlemen might haire an opportunity of sifting out of theM what were really their opinions, it would be very difficalt for them to come to, ftsafe and satis fattoiy conclusion. Wit h' the information be at pre sent had on the Subjeal, he was ra her disposed to think the trade should be thrown open, but he could not give a prOper - ripinirin . till he had further infor mattini ; and, in the Asence of such information, h e thought Gentlemen ought to endeavour to keeo their minds from leaning either on the one side or the other.. He Cautioned the Houst;-against holding out priispeals too flattering to the people, afs to the zidvantageS to be derived from an open trade to, the Edit Indies. If this were not attended - to, the evils 'which had prociedA from the too great otptoa t ions formed - of South America, might be felt again. ' With respect to the difference between the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer), and the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Creevey), the prodnalion of the papers could alone set the matter at rest. The CHANCELLOR of the- EXCH ECLU ER---" They are all on the'tthle." Mr. BROUGHAM thought they ought to be printed, as . that was the only practicable mode of putting House in possession of their contents. The increase of commerce, as inferred from the increased pro duce of the Property Tax,..was liable to one objec tion. rt had been the object of the present'Gp 7 vernment not merely to bring up the arrears of the Property Tax,.but to increase its amount fur the time to come. The nominal to per cent. collected nnw, was more in proportion than formerly, from the'higher tate at which the estimates of property had been made. . Mr. LUSHINGTON spoke shortly in favour of the motion. Mr. WHITEREAI? %OSLtd to know Wll7lO many weeks had been suffeted to •pass since the com mencement ot the Session before any notice was taken of the subjedt now before the House. He wished to know if it was probable that the report of the proposed Committee would be in the hands of Members in proper time boore the House pro ceeded to discuss the gland question ? It it was-pos sible the inquiries of this Committee would extend to all the affairs of the East India Company ? Un I.tss ibis was understood, the appointment of the proposed committee was nugatory. The Right Honourable Gentleman had gone how a strain which anight delude others, as he himself had been de luded, or he would not have brought the commerce of this country into its present staie. He wished to ask the . Hon. Gentleman if the flourishing mouths of commerce to which he alluded, had not been created by the . representations of the Treasury, which induced many to believe that South America opened a taarket for our trade to any amount : in conse quence of which, the Gazette had teemed with Bankruptcies, and many families been invoked in utter ruin ? He wished also to know if it was in tended to propose a renewal of the Charter of the East India Company ? Without very satissaelory answers to the questions lie had put, he should vote against appointing a Selett Committee. Lord FoLKESTONE thought a Select Cornmittee would not give the House the necessary informa tion, and was of opinion the statement of the sums paid into the Exchequer yearly, were not sufficient to give a proper idea of the situation of the coun try. The distress, calamity, and ruin from which those sums were drawn, ought to be c,nsidered, as Well as the surcharges on:surcharges •by which they were raised. Mr. HUTCHINSON called the attention of the House to. Ihe situation of Ireland, and her right to a pat ticipation in the advantages Of the East India trade. Mr. WALLIS briefly replied to the principal ar guments of the various speakers. He, as tar as he could judge, had reason to think the report would be made sufficiently early fOr the information of Members. It was never intended to contain all the information necessary to the grand discussion. It was impossible to say whether the question on the renewal of the Charter would or would not come on this Session. The business was in .progrew, and there was reason to tikink it .might, but it did not depend entirely upon Government. Theluest ion was then put and catried. Mr. H. MARTrt gave notice; that -On Monday he would mote for gave to bring - in one of them was understood to be to regulate the Office of the Registiar of the Admiralty -the other was not heard, owing to the noise which / prevailed at that moment in the gallery.—Adjourned. LAW REPORT. COURT OF.KING'S BENCII, F. 6. THE KING V. VIGON. . . The defendant in this case was called" on to 're ceive the judgment of the Court, having - been Con t7l,-tetl at the last Assizes for the county of Kent, ;ruder the - following circumstances. The defendant is a butcher at Maidstone, and he had eid;.:red into a contract to supply the troops in that distriet„ with good and whoiesoMe meat, from the 251 h of-Sep tember, 1810, to the 24th of March, 1811. With in this periodi.it appeared, that he had once sup the tro,ps with bad and unwholesome meat, and for t b:s offence he was indidted and found guilty. 'lime ATTOINEV-GENKRAL said, it Would not be rce3sary tur his Lordship to read his notes of the case. The Commandant of the District had foUnd it to be his duty to institute the prosecution in-ques tion and, .by the veidiet hch had been obtained, and the 'effects of it, lie was happy - to think the end of the prosecution had already been answered.. The . xpence of such a prosecution, their Lordships must be aware; fed heavily upon the defendant, sn much so as.to amount to a pnuishment fully adequate to the ot&nce.. The end of the prosecution was to satisfy. Ilse adders that every attention should be paid to their comfort and accommodation, arid the Com manding ()dicer of the Distria tsas- satisfied that this end had been attained. Lord ELLIA;r OROUGU. said, the Court could not know. what puntNhinent would be adequate to the offence, or - to the protetlion of the .public against siindar otfeoces in future, if the notes of the tt ial were not read. Mr. GURNEY, for the defendant,. submitted that his client having 13,:en charged with one s o li tar y 'offence, ►he expellees already incurred were punish, mein sufficient for that of which he had been guilty. He trusted, theiefore, the Court would.fall in with the humane inclinat.or► of hip Learned Friend, thi,! 'Attorney-General, by allowing the defendant to . re main at large on his own tecoguizatice: • The ATTORN EY GENERAL agreed that the justice of the case would be best answered by this arrange tnen't. The defendant - W3S. accordingly liberated on his own reeogniz.ince,-to :come up for - judgment,When called on. HABEAS CONP.)I? A Mr. PARK Morit4il•Ccir a Writ of Players Corpbrn to be uiretted to a Mr:ll , ra), si cotton-spinier in West moreland, calling.on him to, .bring op .the bodies of nine children belonging to the pa) ish Of St. George, lianov er-square, in the county Mof iddlesex. It appeared that the nine children in question had been apprenticed out, under the At of Parliament, by the Overseers of the Poor tithe palish of St. George, I-Lawyer-square, to a tuanufadurer in -Manchester, who had finice become banki upt. The Overseers of the parish of Manchester, on this event occurring,, without any intimation to the Overseers of the, parish of St. George, Hanover-square, advertised the children as having become a burthen upon them, and .they were taken, also without any pri vity on the part of the Overseers of the latter parish, into the employment of Mr. Birch, against whom the present appl'catinn was made. The Overseers, however, having come to the. knowledge of these circumstances, seta two of their Otticeis to ins Pied into the . condition of the children, whom they found to be over-wrought, .badly fed, and bad ly clothed. On this they sent a special mes•enger, and again other messengers, desiring that the chit dren might be given up to than, but without effect. Mr. Bitch had offered to take the children as ap, MAR R lAD. On Saturday last, at Clifton, foseph Cookson, Esq. of the City of Bristol, to Elizabeth, daughter of William EL ton, Esq. of Clifton Wood. On Tuesday last, at St. George's, Hanover square, Mr. Wyld, to Eliza, second daughter of William Legg, Lsq.. of Ox torsi-sire:t. The same day, at St. George's, Hanover-square, the Rev. 1. Radc 'Vicar of littlebonts, Kent, atm Minor Ca:3w of the Cathedral, Canteroury, Miss Simpson, -daughter of the late General Simpson. preptites, brit refused to &rivet them - up. In con- sequence; 111,1 present application bt•entie t=ess.:iry. and, as it -W3s 4'06 late -to expect a return to the writ vyi•hin the Term, it wa-i played that it might be madeat Chmnbers. Lord ELLENBOitOUGH thought tiv! Rule slinu!d be to show cause, so as not to 'occasion tlt experhe of bringing up the children, in the first instance. The best ,Way of shewing.cause, too, and the one which, lie hoped, would tie adOpied, would he to deliver up the cluidren. POLICE. GUILDHAI.L.—Two mere, of the names of Richards and-Cowper, were brought up on a coair=dr. o; halving pas-ed several ! - ofg&I tv..6-pound Bank ot . England notes, to several persons in the neighbour: hood of RateWT . -highway and Faisbuty-square. Five note-s were produc:d in evidence against them, and identified as ba,ing been issued by thew, horn fictitious places of residence. lbey were fully commi(ted for trial. UNION-HALL.—James O'Neil, David Delahunt, and Ann Delahunt, were charged by Pali ick Clan ney, «ith robbing him W three one-p:,und notes, - a sixpence, a knife, and sailor's thimble. . . The prosecutor is a Greenwich Pensioner, and had., come to town by one of the Gravesend boats ; oft . landing, he went i,ito a public-house inDark-honce lane, where the prisoners were. The two men en tered into conversation with the prosecutor, - and re presented themselves as sailors in great distress, and without money ; on this account' he called for some' grog to treat them all, and after txardsthey proceeds ,ed U gether to the Suiner's Arms, Joiner-street, Toole) -street, .where the prosecutor direCted the womSo to Older some bvet-steaks for dinner, giving her a dollar to pay rf or . t h em . Af ter t h ey liaddined the bill was brought; when the prosecutor reminded' los companions of the dollar he had given to one of them, towards defrayingibe expences; but they all denied having received it ; this caused a dispute, and scuffitt . ensued ; and whilst they were pushing the prosecutor about, some of the byestanders observed them empty the prosecutor's pockets of their con tents, am, one of 'them took the notes from an old pocket-book, which he threw on the fire; upon flos they interfered, and secured the prisoners, sent-for an officer, and they u etc taken to Union-Hal). when the knife being fouiid on'one, the thimble ou another, and the notes and sixpence on the third, - they were all fully committed for tiial. EXTRAORDINARY OCCURRENCE.—In the, present Month, Love and Fortune will be nearly in conjanc lioll. VALENTINE rules on the 14 h—;he LOT TERY Draws on the 18th.--Valentine SwainS, there tore, it they then accompany their Love ermu with a Lottery G/t, may obtain, in four days, their„,, adorable Goddess's cap.tal hymeneal portions, espe cially in a Scheme of - only 8,000 Tickets will 20,0001. On-Friday, week in the afternoon, as Mr. Thos, Hughes, a pig-drover from the neighbourhood 'of 13.11 a, was returning to Shrewsbury fithn where he had sold a nuniber of pigs, he •w,.s attached near Etnsirey .by two meit in clark=co leured coats, appearing to tee about five f, et nine inches high'; who inquired if he ftad sold 10:4 pigs, and upon his answering. in the.affirmative, imme diately demanded his money ; he resisted a conqi derable time, but on one of them presenting a pis tol, he delivered his pocketbook, coritaif•itig vari ous bills to the amount of upwards of The villains, after bearing him, and throwing Linn into a ditch, made their escape over the hedge. BIRTII.S ' On the 3lst ult. at Fort George, North Britain, the tact/ of Captain Oldfield, of the Corps of Royal Engineers, of a Son. Or. the ist inst. the Lady of Major Horsbrugh, of Pit bladdo, Fiteshire, of a Son. Yesterday, the Lady of John Dean Paul, Esq. of a Son. The same day, at his house in Golden.square, the Lad!" of Alexander Key, Esq.' of a Son. DIAL). PRICE PEST' 13.ank Stock, 23r Navy S pet Cent. 93 !list] 5 per Cent. 4 per. Lent. 79 - 1 79 3 per Cent. iNeu. 63 ,6 3 3 Cent. Cons. 62 isiffits L. Ann. r 6 5. thins 3 India Stock, LONDON s Printed by IHOM AS WOOD, of No. 35, Maiden-lane, Covent-garden; and Published by WI I LIAM AR GE R SCRIPPS, South Moitin-itreet, Grnsvepor,square, • At .the SUN oEracs, No, itc , , Strand, where Advertisements, Orders for the Paper, kettas for the Editor, &b. (post-paid), must be adtirvsed. On the 2d of December, at Frederictown, New Bruns wick, Major-General William Balfour, in the 53d }ear of his a r e, and 37th or his se:vice. The same clay, MajJr- General Vesey„ in the 4oth vear of his age. Ile had been on a tour round the Imilan I sic& throuo the Archipelago, when, on his return, he was seizta with a malignant t . ever. _ At Head•iittarters, (alleges, having been severely woiliol. ed vn the Bth linuary, in storming the redoubt of St. Fra,)- else°, .before , Ciudad, Rodrigo; in the 22111 year o f his ar,e, Lieutenant Rutherfoord Hawksley, - of ilis Majesty's 95.:h Rifle Regiment, second sou of ArchibaA flawksGy, 11,4, of I)uhlin. Yesterday. in.orninz, at the house•of her uncle, Major- Ge neial Sir C , :cl;.),:rif. in tile Cr2scent, Path, aged 22 years,. Nli'ss A Nita Maria Cockburn, daughter et the Lire Colonel CoLkniirn Royal Artillery. On the 3otll ult. hi the t Tower, Ann eldest danchtfr the late Rev; 'rhombi .Slitter, ReEtor of Saltford, Soiner,et.. shire. (I,i. Saturday lalt, in I?aker•street, Mrs. Bagwell, wtfv , of john Ilagweil, of .larirield, in the County of Tip perary:- (Ju•Wednesday Field, Esq. of Canoriburr, in N►r 83d year ut !►is si,e. Ear ly - )viterthly trirgu:.ng, at his house in Alfred place,, the kiat:ghter of the Rev. It , ,sr c vep s . On the sir, re,l;:t of tt.e.late Mr. John Harris, and dauBh:er of Air. 1 f.1(1 liiinker, of 1 ran:l(4l, iri SnlCOlic; On the 15th Bit. at Brecon, Theophilus Jones, Esq. the ;Historian, of Biecknoctishirc. On the I h nit; at Croniwell Cottage, ()Id Isrompton Joseph Hedgeland, Lsq. late of Fl eet-street. , !f STOCKS .RIIAY. India Bonds, 17s. as. pr. New Ann. 621 Excheq. Bilio, 3d, per day, Ss. is. pr. - 31 1 - Per(daY, Os. 7s. pr. Olnniurn, Imperial Ann. Si. Cons. for 27th feb. 62 HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGh. ROW. Morning, 32 min. after 9. Evening,. 3 min. after zo-