The Sun. — London, England, 1846-06-26 00:00:00

I I I I Z A%7 a. • t June 25. w.twe I:. sh• rf g • it I .A 1. e 4 ie t e e r Jf E • I , ` S , Their Lerdehips met at Fve Messenge,s from the House of Cemmons brought up several n ills, which were ordered to lie on th e +atilt. THE SEES ()F ST. AsAPH AND BANGOR. The Bishop et' HER presented a petitien fro e Denn stool Cap e r P e reiwo agates , 'hi- Ulllntt o t , .e of St. Asaph ad R tree's, and pray toe i'or the imineil• f., 1 ,- Poititmetit o' a to ki ain ,h,t• r. The i , :shop of LICHFIELD presented five petiti• na to the nine effect PUBLIC BATHS AND AVA‘'sHHOUSES. The Doge of BUCCL.F.Ic et presented a peteion ,ye g for the establishment ot • oh i•• b-th- ,ticl VEN FILATION OF IHE HOU:sES i,F PARLIA \IEN r. The Marquis of CLANIIIUARDE said that with 'he,. Lerdships' permission he wou,i po To e th • motion of wt, ch he had given notice on this suhj .et. b teals , - he lied reasen to bells v.. fsom hi. Noble Friend a. d relaeite at ;he heed of the Woods and F.,ree , s. that to-morrow he would he in 1ee5 ...," 5 , of the report in ref. re- ce to the qu , s 'on et warm tia and vt-n- Waling he Hou-e. He was sure mat it eon dbe quite sa factory to their Lordships; , in•t b fere hee adepted an astrise-s to the Crossn on this subj •et it weeet! be a' I. ast proper ro learn what was the decision ..f he Committee. WI h their Lord•hipe' permission, th refer. , -lieu d pestpone the motion of which he had 'riven em es. T.ll noe row. SUNDAY TRADING. The Earl if GA LI.O\V A Y ere-ented a pt titian from the minister., elders, ete.corts. aid ad , aen f the F. ee H iv' Church of Paisley, i.. nh - ch hey bege t d their t.o d•hip t'. tiiscoueter.anee all. Sabbath traffic. and espeeie ly •he eraet ce of selling Itiritettue Jig or-, tin the evesiing on the Lord's ley- A NoenX L RD presented another pe i•itsn to the same effect. SALE OF WASTE .LAND IN AUSTRALIA. In answer a NOBLE LORD, Lord LYTTEL TON seid that he intended to lay on their L'lrdships' table a B It to ye t :tabu, the sale 01 waste land n Austra is flit Hi 1 d ff"ri'd in many r sestets from the B 1 which wa- laid en the table at 'hr c:the of the Jae session. The Noble Lord laid the thus on tht table, and moved that it be re-'d a firs' tone. PORTRURY PIER AND R IILVAY COMPANY. Lord R EDESDA LE presented petition from an indivi dual, to which he wish. d tit tall the r Lo attenton. It complained of a went har.ship iefleued upon him by the proceedings ~f the,. Compete,. It . I .p ere.' that last sear he consented to fi•rego h-s opp , ,siti .n to the 3ill, in con sequ nee o f seme arrow...me t, into which they had entered with his-, and she p., mei t of a I costs They had, however. refused to e their preesise. Th e . rade ay rampant had leek, n 'with with his petitioner, lad he .heu'd the e 1.., Toe, that I•e SI aredeg ()rape.' muter eppeieted ht meet ts.rn •reew t ...en d-r the rill be postonneel till Tuesday. and if the railway entneany did not perform 'heir aunt...meet ' H the m hull ;rove for a Committee te inquire into the allettattent st •he peti The Marcieie ef LONDON , Ts'? R Y gave melee that on Mond 't next he shuh'd ?neve fee a S lest eenmi , tee to inqnire into the allegatioue . of a petition which he presented a few nights ago ..gait at the L. , new hire and North Yo ksh re Railway. Lord BEAUMONT regretted that the Noble Marquis shon'd have complained of s went ref eeurte.ey by him ( Lord W aumont) towers the Noble .Marques. This railway he was connee.ed wt h. an I wh, n the iptition Yeas presented by 'he Noble Mt-guts, as the complaint of a Me. Mee% who a ll ej ed that the shares were alotie.l to the provisienal committee a- ri h- ( 11r. Mess) had applied for shares, and failed to get any—he 1 Lord Beau tient). when the petition was presented, said that it was mere f'vourahle than otherwise to the Bill. ler it showed h-t the Committee were re• vonsible m-n, and hail an interest in the proseeritv of the Rise. He had no inten . he whatever of behaYieg diseour termsla towards he N..hl- al e r we The Earl of - H FTEsilUld Y aid he did not know the Bill was to he read a third time till it was mentioned in their Lordship.' House The Marq ci. t-f LONDONDERRY and the Marquis of Cea ts *ace lam: • ffereil a few remerke .1., the tam • Lord KIN • AII;D ryes-n ed a peti ion from certain opera tives praying that the r Lordshie.e ou d pr• wde fer inter v mint in the duvet ings of tare w , irking class • fir bettor dr inner and sewerage, and for he better stiptila of water to the we lungs or the po ; at d asked the Nohl.• Veee ue t (C.D,,ing) at the head of the department of Woods aed Ferests what measures had been taken to provele nr th- objec•e men , toeed hi the petition? METROPOLITAN BM' DINGS fell..L. Lord PORTMAN wished to draw the atteriVon •tf their Lerdships to this .Act. It, would be i the recoil- c'ion of 'h"'r Lordships, that this Bill was passed in an extri rdinary *harmer ; that it contained nii less than one hnne Bred and thirty clause- ; said 'h e t i. sea . eass ed i• to a hie' with the great et baste had hecome an A" t h " greatest possible annoyance to p•ivate individuals who come within its influence. Its pr ,veiene -.etc monitrou•,, and large feet were crea ed for the poroii•e Of carrying on the Act A large te ok had been published by 11r. Laws, so reitessary was it to instruct the peo ple as to its previs'ons. Th , tce•k entralte.ii 1.50 had been settled by the official referees. If a per en went to the office of the Met opelitan Buildings. end required whether be was right or wrong in 11;s proceedings, he was informed that h must bring the matter before the offieiel referees by re quisition, and that they then wi.uld give their award. He must ()braid a " circuit" paper, for which he hail to pay, and then, when he hail got a re visition, they would give their award. In one case a person received nine notice• from the MIN., and he was told that he might he informed of the decision of the referees for 3/. 9s. I Id. ; hut e was too poor to pay fist it, so that it was evident the fees which they ex attted'uneer the Bi'l were of a lyrite and araitesry character. The N.thle Lord then detailed some case; of great hardship arising out of the present system, hut he .poke in so low a tone as not to he heard in the gallery. Lard CA NNING sai l the Nettle Lord's cplestion. if he un derstood it right, was whether Government intended to in. troduce any measure this session for the Netter drainage and voPoly of water in the ineteopeli•an districts, het the petition the Noble. Lord had presented had reforenee to water are' improvement Bills which did not, apply to the Int.tr.itolis • With regard to the Noble La. • vestine, he mtg . t state that that Gee•lemian hid no Bill in pte for improving the drainage is d th- supply of wetter in the me tropolis. It was their intention to begin first in tee rural. oe rather the manufac , nrine ( Ilea, hear.) And with that vow n e H alth of Towns' Bill .. a s ;ere°. duced into Parliament towards the close of last seween. Various suggestions were made with re-Peet . 0 the Bill. and when they wt re eel , s-lida - ..d into a Bi 1, it was teet te the other Hituae of Parliament. With regard to the ma •ner in w hi c h they were to deal with private water companies. the Government suggested c l a uses which ahoull c. , mpel those companies to give a "f5 , 1e ,, t to all large towns, a, ti ale) to the poor districts. These dense.: had been all adopted he the private Wat it Cem- Patties' Bills which passed throegh the C mmit re- tbs session. Re said the Bitl consisted of 120 or 130 and was found therefore to he very unnianaeeable. But it was the intention of the Government to ititroduee amendments, in far as to divide it into certain (=payments tinter particular headings. The Earl of CADDO AN said he was one of those who op posed this Bill at its introduction, but after whet had fallen from the Noble Viscount, he was perfectly sati-fled with the Bell as i' had been now described. BUCKINGHAM RAILWAY (TIUNG TO BANBURY.) Lo-d STANLEY reported to the Unite that the Committee to whom this Bill had been referred were of 'pinion that it was ' tint expediet•t to preeeed si'h it. IidOTECTION TO MAGISTRATES BILL This Bill, on the motien of Lord BROUGHAM, was read a second time and committed. ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR. Lord VIVIAN wished to inquire if the Noble Lord the Comptroller of the Exchequer (Lied alonteaele) intended to introduce a Bill for the uni n ot these sees ; and also a Bill for appropriating their surplus revenues to other purpos-is Ponneete 1 with the Church ; and whet er, if such was his intention, he should introduce them at the same time, as they were of a eognate character? Lord Nl' /NTE AGLE replied 'hat it was his intention to in troduce' a Bill for the union of those sees to morrow, similar to the one introdueed by him last year, in aceord_nee ith the first report of the Ee"le-iastical Commitsioners. It was also , h.s intention to introduce a Bill to appropriate the su plus re- I ; venue s of the sees. if u.ti ed, to the endow nent of small living: Earl D ‘LHOUSIE presented several petitions in favour of . the Ministerial measures. SEES OF SrASAPH AND B ANGOR The Bi s hop of EXETER eresen ed two petitions against te the unto., of e sees of St. A-aph and Bangor. The psti loners prayed nn, only that a Bill might he breught to prevetit the "nionef the t w o sees, hut also that a bishop might be immediately appointed to Manc-e.ter THE LUNATIC ACT. Th e Duke of RICH aIONIJ presented two petitions from West Cheltingtoti agairts' the ieresent Latiatic Act. . . THE COI4N-LAWS. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a pets ion fro m th e West Su rre y A ssoc iation fir pro t e ction to agriculture and 13""51'. ineueiry. rhe petitioners sated that they had heard with er.;a- surp•ise that the tenant-farmers were said to be in favour, nr indifferent to the repeal of the existing corn -1 tw o end they begged te stare to their Lerdships that they sincerely be lieved such statements to be utterly u n true. They stated that the proposed measure weulsi have the effect of compelling them to reduce thee- labourers' wages. They also Iva pd that they believed teat the hateful anti impious cry if famine had been rais e d fir the t urpose of en a bling them whit raise,i it ro carry ,11/ thei' 10,-132es 01 pannier. awl a id the rghts of the aerirueurel par y —( Hear. hear. a d aught •r ) The petition . was • mood by the Chair man of the A-sott ation, and he must seythet he wet- ell with the prayer of the pe'i ion. • (Laughter.) THE CORN lAIPORTATION BILL. The LORD CH A NC i a.L O II having pet the question that 116 - 11.1 be read a tie ti time Tee Earl tit t% le LOW Sii3 -het, on thus Damien, he bcitiee'cl to truttolv their Lord hips with a few ithsereations. As their Lordships ~FP 11. W at he last stage of these pro. eedines. t , ,re fi Ily ••ti th's(*. at an't '." m 114 'haest s tee tie etrial ,iO.l , c.'"'crYt he b Ger rem m tie • rizenal thei r L e e es e.ps led al' - „ • • 11 Ci,ll • I in e'e eeia ly. ts .11 e tin e • i n ...h e t or.vtr I :as le- t. .,£ rik. t) h , it tenet-rep , in the iteur•.- ti er e liti • an , u W " (.11 e se • e e et. '0 tte• 41,1 to th .:t tutoritiA ' ll lt; tidy. iro n; the Gover m il` firs . et th -e 1 , 0 e's that le -tale to, and whieb ea; a the !east ittipe , atl• with respect to rh-• emiets which were made hr Ti-'I F"t t :Mini der of the f roan on the aii.rott n ,,,i,, / , o t 1 4 . e.,:rti Kit into :he ether Horse, ef certain eyttivalen o«i-linc- -al tens, .rdship e ;,; 511 ,f or.matters of that 'ls' lire. which wer e Dr an s . ee tor, c ',arse • manse. Their L. the measure, and yet, up to 11,, h ,raise e hest r.; he ti able to ascertain that in either 'use of p • n Lli , mite's I . lr - th g eke proposal of the nature of any ma e to, or commu ,teeted to the Heusi , . N„„. ha . d 11 . ale these matters might be of hemselvee of tiin.og impor.a„,. yet th. • were mit, it Appes.rr t. so Ininsi.tered by let Gevernmiset whorl they 'row) et the .ilea tre. They were given out and pr e . po,t•it by Goveromete ie tome dearer' clitniestisation to the lat, red inesre t, et, . de less teey ,ustain from the passing • , hi„. measure; hsa had appsoached One liesied of th e . e -. te r m ,t .e , it s n stet. • ise I b'i'n , akon o' either preposition. it ess et • -, 1 me• p en! .et. aid which ought to have tv,s , ',as_ thi. Bill, berause it was " , ircient .• ,e; v Latoi , ord " 1 . 4 Tenant Corn nit stone; sof Ire aeli. it Yea- prem.seo chat 'he ex. ens.- et he co ,t.‘ll•l:ArV ee 11E0 r • tipitry he tlirOwe upon the Con elute , F--n': but aepreacheees the inti of try.s• tskeit of ir i n e l l her 11.. , 5• - 'hey read this •i • point.--( • tear. hear ) ;;;e • .as c. 1""ol, but he must firer '2.. ' OO inent re make hies-e. uederetoi.t. ••••'' . : 111 tie ' envrfilw".'l t 'lat Si. it..oe.t Pe,-1 oh stets I a• ,- .ml• 7,, tit enab . t s him to ry t pee mules ,s'l'ed exper.lne. Itiget Ho e. Ise-sect eteted tinder .tie chetse, the customs duties weul. , l so increase as to rt tide. he e maiitu ,_tee of the ie. c proestex uri••e,mary, 'and be! .re he !asses le Bill, they oueitt t has 5 . .111. ,Iip'a,11111)1 , , 111• j... , T. , •). • ' . " 4 r- ) .1t Fat tee, e e w . . l i t , in •t. •t• • 'IF' u•' • •i' .l 'lt - • ;ht. "•-• • • • iieetoorr of Luis' happy e : ate 'l he tete uJ,s,• and. ,tie increase which he IVO piriteietede the:first At4i-isser:of the 4491‘40 apt iset3#494 Wltb the eltvatiQuo I.lla iliwk itr.x tore. rhertf rr. xpl:nat , ‘)T. ul,on , eond aoa,e-•ax Tor 'I• • la If is LOriish i w I,adl ri.l • r.r,): t.,r .1;:• ; or Lree we •14 , . ThiN-b e t , e , 11. 130, 1 ..1 of t i in,st2.l)*) troeu,ed the measure—f , r he (th, Earl of Wo-kiow would rive him credit for bein. , a most able 111 mister and an ace••mphshed debater—never he it out to their Lords:iips ti-at 'he custom. iiu. titer these alteraJons. would gain the tv . t!•ey r o the retiorto.n Put he -" y 'he., a,:rees f revenue, - aid all t, e• If •red toy ttr 1, t. ,!,, ;is iti int dr.v.tr , io the • 01' . .e o , yea , s ;root the bu , ,t o f trati.•.—( ar the G ,,, ernmk•nt must have taken 'lt se things into eon cideration, au.{ rhoy mu , . have ~ eer, their positiot , in thP pre c,reor,toat.tes of .rhe country No thr. ct ineome_tax r' , 4-• up the (I.,flewney The First Minister ry r , w•••. huoger du it c 11. ., I' c?tr i. SU" Whate,er,Th whole surplu4. incoul,Lf the r mit tan , e China. wt job would not e..ntinuo more than the t rear. was 701i.iiiVit tie a•keti whether the •ountit rt ii4 ,i n ,,,. r „,„1 . i wt h, Lortisht:-.5 had no th,t to , h• u:.! elate who tier exp., a•ion• were in ref, nee to the .13' ore ne•nre of •he co ? Nod e , r Lor.'sho.• •it a ri.Tll to. i 00W a lA. -t,, a subit;tut, fo. •h 5 ax , •r Aheth , r r• ne , „, the ? • they at ,, TTP-la , . to , en 11, w at ,as to t. ,- ip subs i•tit ,, ? Ft it rh. ioto ,hal to en that tax. why, he a•lt • ti.:t they rt , an, un.• it fairy 11 m a il a I'ar he ' , wore 0, • x,•lry f ,r• tAtc ; ~ 1 1 •• Pi ei , i've • /1, a new Pa liam w. u•I .ittot• oo it, tt x di-I not he Ilene th 41 a n•••.. , R.,nliamne t wool+ saie••lon, 1.0 oorok (;ov, er,t, an in 0.t., t X a uerrn..n tit t.x 0 h- e. ul,try e rtaiht rho noi b if suet, were made ne•ma, n•. 'ha' t•-) stiff r it to rent.tio peintahetii, awl leas et Aat the p•-esrot I th.' Choh-rnm•nt !honed with t!ri,w tha• in 'i-eet tax • ion io a:Vi•h 'he ei.ontry .or been act u'm d• dif they siih-ti ued. ins , ,fth t, a dn. et Nit t 1, was an im,oszth'ltit to SUIT' 9 1 e th enun•ry ah'ul 1 stiff r t-. con'inue. The Ca'lmet llinistets must liace onsid-rol these matiers fully, and he ask,. wt.-t her it was fair to coutor. or to their I..nr.lshilet no to m •ke known wh't their int , - trio s were? T , ie Chancellor if the Exch q ter, with h s tong ex 4. ieore, and litt ore .1 al); ity, a.,d tor . n , ffi wh iph h,• m aeqn.int h'm ....;f on tie e stilti-e's, ar•-d the Nottl.• Lortl 'h• Presi en' of th• flo-r.l of Tra. l e. we, bolt of them eat, I• 1• of vivihrt an a.,- -wer, but they .1 rime •, ta4l the e-untry would eertainh draw th , rr own infer nee. He 'twil l. th-teore; take ha p , -rt , nity of cal'ing upon bi 4 Noble Friend for an expla nation. _ _ . Itie Earl o' RIPON said that the Noble Lord had a ne"- epet 'Fit to ask h , ge questi , ets. H. won id not. for indoor, h. Irtd no rivh , fi d f , ul. with the ,t an..."r in whi h nil' by hi. N-h'e F Th.. firs. qn •••1 n as. whe hpr the r;ov r. , men h,d •alcon i to s d ra ,, 00 ti e +' Ptos 1.1 e a r, • . ( 1 , tho (.B , tuntrt; otrler the r •d• ecd revem] hi ' l, would take p' •ce thr•mtrlt the r in '!,• dit awl more •••5 cc touts: re 'uctioos itd affect tt I,:tr•titiltu-i -l'h •G :v m felt ow as hey did in the t-eg . n tog tit th s'-si-inn of Parlia, that th e y were bout d t•• carry on' the me "ure` '-oludett to by the No 31•• I.ord Hit N .L•l• F ten sishett to k-tow what was the intention of the G venom. It with respect to th e que;tion of the t uo•erty.tax Thi tax was proposed to last fir these sears. hut t vmuirl he immu dent of any Government to answer such a rilest•on b4tre the To er tme It woold b-t Gino& p-arhatts, at the xpii - atio the perm iof ree ,eirg neeess.r , or unnimes - aary to cootinu h a tax. as th case inieht he, and ther fire to sxpre s a de eided nei.,inn upon this quos , u.n wmild b.• very imp it-it' The Noble Earl then r•-ail s•ati-tiral ti 'current , to pros • that the reducti nt which had •akett p l ace sine. 1?.4 2 Po 'he import .•nties Ind not tee, uefsvooral,le He v.a hat p' tit s ate t' a' the demands upon the country were vet, mush loss than they w- re and it was -atisfaetory to find that - r due , inn in the , at onal d. h• had amounted, within the 'a• vear, to o n ward , of one m l'ion L or d FF,V"-•;IIS'Il All -alai hat he en ild n o t but aLtree ' wit! th • asiri.oilturis , of thus country that th-• measure. of h Alaje.ty's G v.-Tomtit-tat were ealeola el to he of tile g'e n 'e., injury t., the lauded interests, The tenant-farmers had beta' meet no, in v-trious parts of the country. where •e-olu po. were pas ed eotidemnito-y of the m astir , for a reral ot en r-laws, as a measure • frauuht with the _re -test -Ail to tlo landed intere-t. They had no statisti..al intorrnst,on t tom I. ttai-sty's Geveroment to prove a ea e finr the pas.ing• If it Pill. lie had me• with a very •nt A merivat. geotletnae, vrtoa all that this question would he of the ereate advintage to America. iris much as it would bratg notch of the was, land of that eountrti nen eultiva•ion. This nas re; 'roe, hut how much would tin that injure t e asTricu'u• jilt n' this e.itiotry. The increase of the su.ely from foreie, eou tries must, as a matter • f enorse, he the mean- or a ruin at• competition with this If hv shod ht the measly,- wnit b' en•itillCll7e tit the hrppinosa f the paot,te, t ,r lend to le inmate h e mons'. of tie pe.l - 0. I,e it one,- f -.ego h • dj et'i:r to the measure, be , h did h nil 0.1 the enntrara he }aught it would r-tar. l ra'her thsn v nett the happin• ss nf th.. people, ivy; it w.a. sirs 'ha - etmit , he opposed -t tie would 101 &tam r r 0 -1 h '" ' 1- h t he c i ant grtezat ori I, l ul h k• 11:he,tphng vi thou that . mjinn mtia a , t a i r: • 4 • s e n se t „f this mernorah'o R P, u t am, wt ieh he A nn ] I hare an o. p t u nity of a hirp..sit-7 their lordships. he wjth d to sty a word o. two. net with the view of de ayir g the fur her prof-ess ot th- Bill. hit' simply to protest in •he strongest r agiinst the Hear hear.) Af , fr lit - tening 'went votty •o all the de hat. s noon the subject, he trust c nfe-s he still remained of tt e sante opinion a+ he did when the Hill was fi•st tritrodue.ed, and he rould not help thinking that many parties had stir fixed own pri. , ate opm.on in favour of party feeling. Be must .-dm r • at th✓ same time, that althotwh the Whig parts had hi her , been favourab'e to a fixed duty, they had nur•ued a toe-beer:l and limper c•tur-:e in suttoortind this mea ure, bemuse the% w ere on •he th • shialh of ro a‘nn into 'AP, and i• vreulti have from nowise in them had 0-41 hamperi-d themselves with th diffi..ultiris of the question —( fie , r h a•.) Maitre , credit for his own pirts:. for hsr-n•1 h en actuated it, the it t tite Bill hy no rtth, than sincere an uur•-lvdis , nte ested on,. trves while with regard to the qn •t in;. ot votino by :'rosy, be was ready to admit that, altliouzh it was di.tastefu to the puhl:c mind. yet, nevertheless .1 was in tweed bt old ati- f longs.stablished usage. and mein that gum d n'on. he t'houl,' he pr , pared to oppose at y motion the mit! , t her.af er 1,, hrouirlst for'saril for it ahol , ti .rs He thou ht. hi,,, , ver they lad ant wis' to k-ett up the privi'ege ug' to t ike ear.. •tzat it was in vase of the or.s-nt. 11.11. h- the lift, it had for twiny Noh:e Lord: who h •cl entru..ef thcir t• enemh,rg of th. G-.ver mere wer.• in -asse n t e gl.•be 31'd must he sttlt quit- i:!norant of the .ntro-tucti-n of the me.. sure. ( Hear. heir.) Tt e mte.t laments,. e inirt nt this toe sure he th,el2l.t, was • IT et , it w:.uhl has in breaking ofl ail e r.fi ',me in the Modst.r. Up to •h. g -if the Re form Bli whieh he opposed hi• had regolarly vot,l with the W•tiga. hut afier that he hail lelowed Sir Robert Pe In whom he had :Ow ys idaeed los entire emitidence, and fo whose' ahiiitiog he entertained tie. high , at re.peet, ( H-ar hear ) rh. it hips, th eaols ,m-nine hi. ;rigs u pon ta t etig n d to dee ar • that. In reater. could plaett tot est fid- nee it. ' , bat h!i•.•!ht- Hon Ba onct, but th. pain atter.dirnz that 1 , 1 c..tne C- - spoeig ale tin's' t,s , the knowledge that the eriit•ottite , ist eattY h, , rl still n ahl • talented, and di. itutui•th•til leatit.r, in wit., •Che ha•l tie Witt o confidence. Hereafii-r he should ,in•itl-r .ht. N Ade I,iir ,, ( Lord •ztariles ) not a. his frie it but a- his p lan star ( Cheers ) H. hsd al was h, aril that Noble Lod spe..k wit - out any re-erva , itin or ens' , v iitat•ori, h✓ h hear.; any lae , :on tha that N thitt Lrd lett the least. 10 ho e Lis speeehe, rut of as liieh he rniuh , erect. as oth rs wer the habit of doing. H. ( the Duke of Cleveland 1 hail roil. to -as, t tat eetert dotril these tt , t.tinnuits thes • views, to must p•otest against hit polies of this me 'sure. thaiike. the House for the ind ilgenee which hid b•ten accorded ha and he would only trt-seass fur:her for 'he t:ursio ,, e f sating that h. con -ideri:d th--t m-tasure tntalle uneared for—( hear)--and rrfi-cted great discredit on the Governmen , that had introdumd Che,-,rs.) S , veral Nont.s. Loans here rose simultaneously to add, ss th• ir Lordships, but, E. 1,1 DALHOUSIE ( who was one of the-e NoYe Lords havirg said that he rose merely fir the put pri-e of explainthe was allowed to procee•l. He said he shout t not trouble their Lordships many niii , utea. nor sh he ha e ventured to treqtass 1111 their attention had it no , been for soli.• of the ith servations which had fsllen frOm the Noble Duke who hart just sat down, with reference to proxies goven in that House Had the comments of the Noble Du-.e on ,hat , uhject beer. resirwed to general obsertations on prixis.- given their, h (tbe Earl id Dalhou-ie) would no have t oubled their Lo slips ; but as the Noble Duke had mention-d the none of his (the Earl of Dilhousie's Noble and G dlant relative, the Mar quis of Tweeda , e) and stated that his tit nay was given e. n trail to his opinions and feelings on the subject of this measure, he hoped that then- Lordships would allow him to say a few words on the Flubj e.', He (the Earl of lidhouste) t.,ok a wide view from the Noble Duke on the subject of proxies. As lone as these proxies did exist, he must conte-s that a proxy was given upon the principle of entire delegation into the hsnds 01 those who held then —( Hear, hear.) Sueh was she principle of it-oxy, and as long that sys em of proxy rv•te4, i' mat tered nit whether the i cliy-dual whose proxy was givec wa a resident in the Indies or dining in 11-Igra:e.inare at the time that it was g ten. War, hear, and !aughter.) The Noble Duke had said, that the proxy of his (she Earl o' ' Dalhousie's) Noble and Gallant Re , ative was Oven in direct contradiction to nit srlytments on thp. queoinn ; and hi- had also -tared that it -as utterly impossible that hi- Nobl- and G , d , an Find, ltv n. at s great .:dlstanee from this countn. could have heard of the introdue:ion of thi.t measure. He (the h.arl of Dalhousie) thought that the N.lle Duke must have fit-gotten that this que,ition had been now incrodoeed .even months, au I that a common ex.iou retch-it •im in sie weeks.-- H ar, h,ar. ) He (the Etrl of Ddh-ti.ie) could as-ure ihe Noble Duke that he Thad had a communica ion wit, his Noble soil G•II.n• no th's ui , jeet.--1 Hear and h. root —stir.- the Hou e that tos fi tn •••li thy h N•.b• soil t 1,,,, ('ri, n d h a i uid h 1.• •,' hr h.. ev. mil . 0 h th.• E-. 11 of D. nous' ) ...op inne ~a e ; ' el. cr 1. , f tit Niihle and Galant hr e: it hart t:tere I tro-e3 t.r he amen.in,nt .he N h e EArl ,h.• bc , k wi h res .ec• t o ~ Butt ; i t Lot. tat, a t o th,t d. , toub', 5 , e 0.,. I •ti ( the Earl treti , w :nee, love ten , . , cutu - 2or th,il ,ea al h-tuh, or. - ' , ,t “ s „ t g " "S' • ‘ki. C i.,!. , ell • F turf b' t( In e n I:re ,ent he VI',11! ia ,;acv i;, tilcd d ail`+ '~ or I). a Bill. Lori GAGE didg.- ne r. for a ..•!, • II e. . , ""luct't..i. , : • ...•••••••- •, h) I. thema few (ib,e, va • CiP , , , ll.'"vo !)on d '•43.:0) with r..spect _ Ilrr r i ()0 'o' k'tii at thi` quesinin h.> found th a t- ,t !R• r I,y rn ~); 1 ( . , 11,r, h e leu had riot utv•ia t'rr ae 115 I r heir •a,fit.ri nt nfl. ruin On 1,1;11.1{ . 1 th, a>tlr. 84 oht- t.; , ; c .ts%• tn , .oelared„rin'the (-4,wi a, y. hat it inc - r as, the o f ill,. lit)! t hi y had nriP ,0 or heir et,a of tertet.iet. It w a trl ititl th a t it w , ,1;!;- s•ur ry,t. ,rut that h etl tf.e r tr, bring ft,rwarti till; ra , 3turP.. Hal de•ti..n s th at h„ ti .ce.utly , tri.lo.44 vliee : bbown 'lnc the people were in -favour of 1;or his min trniile part, he enri,vived she: if , a..4..<1 1. their Lolt - ,t•ltiti, , - • -. •th, , r linnse es, tt iusut ? ~•. • ...t e . . .1 t H x, - I ; ••- nc..4 ,„ ..• ()leo. t.. ar. ) lie had .1).-ar.: uottiing so wonoch, a the rtiterritin of the - .ulrkkr imputation that them Lordtkaii wore it cuitsd 191uly• by sellob maim 1 ii L SUN, LONDo givi.g !heir oppo.i , ion tni,rnep.n , HeAr. hear ) And must C-:eir Lunt-gips be pr,veute•d -r •m d-temfing, their own intere , ts? But, fur her than. that, their Lord-hips etnietived that this rn: attire would entail ruin on tha te , ant-farmers of England, and tho.e whom"they employed. —( Hear. heat.) The land would, in his opinion, be thrown out of eultivatirn Plitt ~ , ould he dlr-ive,l of ern ; ,l,tnent ; and is' a reerc:n. ItiA had pre'. :atelt 4,tr•-i , ...ye,i for 1),- eon eet ved • hat Bili :nut be i,dro •11 -rd . or Erigla,ti. to keep down the divurtianees wireli this mea tire would most rrobahly create.—( Hear, bear.) By wh-m hart this ceasare twen i,trodueed? tty Qyalc , rs, Di,ente•s. an d vio lent of the Ctiar-h—( ) tl. firml‘ he. ti•oV in autp n' the votes which their Lordships hail tl•nro at least, in their hearts, abominated it 1,, 0r 1 11. heard with deep regret tha': fr.on the Noh , e and int Puke, that that we- the 1,, time whie'n 'he U odd "ver have the honour rt` "on.:e r; • f..TP "tied f •rvently to the un•v-rca • n with whit'' , th,t h:- t and Lr'ratect i✓ hor 'a tr a , e • 0,4,0 hut tp it the- Fan, time I ,r•nriv rc.- „„ii, • the hi., , r i ornl .l l slioula he ye , the lib •ries of his v. Earl t:T IIoPE 1 - e would n t comment on Sir 11 , 1) rt enu of uct. at in a few hours he would be drit , r) f em : , :user. never 'c, in to he called to the dignities of office.—'ll. ar. herr. Put he w, uld at. once proci , ed to the orincil,l , .. of !Iv meastve which they were then discu , sing, and he would tell their Lordship= that the principles of free trade , Yere those of uncommon nonsen.e. Social que.tiorta hung upon the preser:t question which would 1).-. as little palatable to 'h. promoters of the moasure, as tl•ey would he to any Noble 1...,rd of the pa tv to whi , h he had the honour to belong. He motid tell them that their authority wac gone, hnd at a future 'lay it might be a question of their existence, yid then it wou d well if they could ha , e judgment stayed. If they were to ha'; a free trade in corn, they should have one in agriculture ale —( Hera. hear.) H • warr ed their Lordships of the conie qa ors— COO. , qv nees which were likeZy to bring about a te tra iti ,n—and it that revolution to-1 place, the whole respon• sib v would rest nn h. r Ilsj,s•y's present Mini-tors. the Earl of SELKIRK .ai t it wrs thought by many that thi question of the coro-llws one. gettlea, they should hear no MO of tloe question. lie was not f that n:dnion nor was it pinion of --eanv of their Lord.hipq _t Tiear, hear.) The n, , k• of RICH 'OND , c'shed to now from On' Noble 1. rd. .he Members of 1 1 , r liai oy's government. wheth.r 1 -wir mind. had tin . e.-onne any eh 'nee - Sir Robert poet .teed !Mlle time ago. •hat ho intended intro/hieing a me sure wh;eli, would mi VP compensation to the tenant-farmers of thi enontr, ? He wi-hed something sh-u'd he said n the suhjee• heft,-e they separated on this question. Fnr his own part h e could advise the fanners to agitate aoa;net the measure ahant • patted. and not PPARP till protection NV , . again heought about. He would do more—l-e would R a v i., hem to agitate for the repeal of all the bur l ima in the shape of tax,tinn. ( Hear. hear. fr .m Earl Stanhope.) He believed that if the which would giv,. to the tenast.f rmers the means of p: their nuttat for i nprov ments. were passed, it would h e of great advantave, and it shoul have his hearty snow, t - Hear. hear.) He was gl a d tn hear •hat the present Go wa. Rhour to resign. 'or it w old show to the count!, hat no llini.try ooild abut.. the (.m.6 lonee of the eour:trt im unit y, no . a itl,tanding the .uppmt •f their 110 sun -rter.; and there was one e nsnlati n. that thew 110 sup orter. were n , ,t lik> ly to gain anything by their audd.n eon. VP` alto. ELLENTIOROIJGH said he telt bound, so far b, "rt , enocetn-fl, to i form the liou.e. that •Nhat..rer Covert; , tent .neep-d , tl the tee.eot, he would he b mod by hia ex re , s,d .1,;111 ota with rega.ti to the toe sure. in connexion wit Corn Hill On 'he qn , vtinn that the RA he rea 1 a thi ttne this da x mnnths. the nnn-ennt, nt. "ere &Owed to have it. The q e tion that the Bill be now tea,l a third time was pu• whe n the co.,.en'a viere rieelared to h• ye it. The. Bill w;-., n time and C(l'..T(llls DT'TIE TALL. 0,, O w n :.•n , for C.-A , of th 4 T' D lk. of RICA 0 D 411 d, •n a f' oceavon h. arl s!' , ted .o I.ord-oii,s hat a deoutat;on of the Silts. sit lia,4 sxaiieit upt n the Noll , Lo=d, the Pre,i. !cot of 'he Reard of T ade snd laid th. e*.e befite him. hut Nohte Lord denied then had done so. Now he had since earned tt,at t e eputation w..s r-Teiveli by the Vice-President .1 the Roard of Trade in The absence of the MVP Lord, arid s-a. , Right ti-m. Gee leman vra. a4ced to extend the same pri vilege to the Soiialfield-- silk w, avers that had been arantei t. he Covent • y ribb n m kers. but it was refu.ed. Under thew ,i , cuin,tance. he wt.hed to a-k the Nob • Lnrd whether. tf a tteputatiott w. re to wait upon him. amid show that the east .t the Spitalfields weavers wa , .he same as the Coventry ribbon :makers. he w mold propose or support a Rill putting them in -he same situatinn es the silk ribbon weavers of Coventry? Th Earl of DALHOU'mIE replied that it was perfeetl rue that the drputat•ott was received by his Right Hot Friend the Viee Piesi E.ltt of the Rtatd ttf Trade, in his cost ibsence : but the Noble Duke h.d incorrectly assumed tha. h utation wnt •twa) tihrartl. The fact was, hnuevet, .is R ght don. Friend took the derutatinn t.) the Chancellor if !h.. the Exchequer. the t.ffirer of the Government wh , . onallv at ent'ed to matters c •rmecteti with revenue, anti then :ise was ft:11 eone into. Under these eiteumstances, h. • tu'd not wt., th.• promise the Pohl Duke required. 11.errrs • TANLE.'Y wilted the N hie Earl it the Chancel)." A the Exchequer was sixarr that the request of the Daputa• otr h d hero conceded to t he Gwen- yri hot. weaver? ►ht. Earl tit DALiii)USIE replied in the affirmative. It', a G . A WOUIS tram Load AsusuacroN ,and Lor KOUG HA M, l'i.e 11.1 i wa. read a third time and pagi..d. ever I}iiig a thirr L rilship•' table were advance, -age. Liirdships adj I°, (1 • ,•vi u June 25 T4e PEA KEK rook the Chair at Four o'cl,o•it JJrs roger. tr ttre Court of Baok upto) brought up cep to retort's. Mr. K. 1-101R:I.z.ON moved that a Seleet Committee ti ! pint.d to ' , awn- into alu•L.r•i•tns eon sioeit in the pets ; q.; of the ', q pi , i.f At sa, th- in t sirs es of Newt°, -Ayr. tont ot the inhatsit,nt. of %Lyi,ii , e, w•i h ttfererie. the 1;14-gow and R. tf:st Union R .11ws) B 11. and to r: p the House. to cutns•s of —Sir 6, ore c.r. y. Mr. Bickh 'watt. Sir Ct aries Do.igla., Mr. I'rotheroe. ar.d Ur. Pen Alves w..h power to s.11:1 for p-r.oti.i par,.ets, and records. Vll E AUNT Mr. 11U 1Z 1 t es,nted a petmoo, verb nume!on.ly an re ectabo, signed, :,ra3iog tt..at the 11,1a1 Nina might he opene Or private ) riva!e individuals to emu ai o tie same temp, as ts,,ieu!ta, as ihown to 3t, ord r of the Hou-e, pr:n:ed on th h of ,larch last. RE.POIIT. The foil ,wing Report. were then further onsillered. an, he B ordered to be engri s.d : —Bl,ekbu n. DArwen, !I lir n —Buck Dronag--6.. at Lein-ter aid a) ( No. I )—Her turd and Bali Id RailwaN-- -.l.and R,iiAa) ( ,iriningtiam Ex enAnd ) Wexford, CA - ow , and Dublin Ju: ('lime Itanxav EDUCATION IN IV ALES 11r. WILLIA -:S itr•-•••• wen tau iketri •Its trmn ,aying that. th. Hutt‘r w-ttio tak• into t - con,l•.et anon rota , ores :or ihe educ. nof the et, in Wal•-•s. LORDS' AMENDMENTS. The Lord, amen -merits to the follow ii,g Nils were ther o an .1 to: —Birkenhead, I. , tot.stiire, ; nil Chi shir lutieti 0 Railway— , S!aiii•iiril, eh,' !Immingham Rad ay ( •-tiii,foi d to 4 isbrach ) Bur, ley I tipr , i, ement alit Wateram-k4 Direct London arid Pori‘mouth Railway e:.ast.•ro U..io t Rai way ( Arilleigh to Colchester) -- C,: eat. Not rut of Engl.nd ‘ay ( lioroaglihrolge liratieh)— tireat North of E eland Railway ( Beilale Brin• h ;—Liver pool, Al.inchesier. and Nea castle-upn-Tyne Junction Rail way— Liverpool Saliat , iry Railvrav ( Ere- Na-h Valley Ear.le.ion)—North Staff,dthire Railway ( Churn ( Valley Line)— Northuml.er:and Docks—Norh Western Rail rat—Rte D :image—York and Noah 'Midland Railway (Leeds Extension). t. ti REENE goo,ed- .1 Tnat the Select Committee on Group No i. 9 of Railway Bills have leave to proceed forth wi h with the Sh-tli .Id. Ashton-wider-Line, and Alaticheste, tail%ay ( Peak Forest on Mai , cietfield Canal Purchase) Bill, -ilth,iugh no notice of the ,itting of the Committee on such Hid :.as been given in the Private Bill-ct Eve ;—that it be an itroructton to the Committee to et.tertibin the petiti.in of Gis jortie Litbirigton although the same was not presented three leor days belore the first day of the sitting of tie Committee." —Agreed to. REPORTS. The f Mowing repor.s ;nen bran ht up and agreed to, aad or.lerea to lie upon the table :—B aelc.,urn and Prt soon Ea.t Lancashire Railways Amalgamation-13dg°' ano Hornitigh m Railway ( Asaehurch, Tewliesoury. and Malvern Line )—lirt.lol and Bli - min2hatr. Railway (Gloucester and s;ton.hou-e Junction )—Caledonian Railway k Carlisle Devia .ll) ver and I)eai Railway—East. rti Counties ano • ham s June inn Railway lir.nehes—Farness tiailway Ea ten ion.—tit.-at North of Ettula..d Railway Purcha.e— iltid an I Scib) Railway Pureha-e—KOmarriork Wat,r ,,da.—Lancasier and Card le R itway kEx ensi •ta to • ate moan Railway) and Lthea,•er and Preston Ju cturt Italw-ty4 Antalya i•a' ton —Leicester and Birminithain .y (.I'h x branen)—Preston and Were Railway. liar oo,. and Doti{ Loogridg. Jurternin)—R thm..nd Railwa) tfiell New Sttee.ts—Sligo Ship Canal— , rathtAy and Br attalbane Railway—Surrey Iron RailWa . 11-solvin—Tenhy, Saundersfoo , and South) Wales Railway—West Co-nvr II Railway. THIRD READINGS. The f flowing liths errr r ad a tntra limo and wssed: A ken's E-taie tll. Ediniairgii and Rtrtigate Raitw,y, Ima 'ers' Widow.' Fund. PAIII`F It LUNATICS BILL. r ALL I X pre,enia d pet.tion fr. In the ratepayers of th,• a i•h of 1. .•sterron, in the eoutity of ( ambri , ge. ag•rtnst thr P.opp. Lunatics iiiil. l w a s rtlered to ;te upon the table. %!T. NK ES pre t, I. da pe it,on Irmo 4 place ►n D , .- s,t.lore. tqltt tiers tared that In. y wer, ee,ltlents in a. t,. or I w un or', e‘niti , rvng •3 VICO where great irra g,tar,ti....4 redail.••t, of winch th.•y had complained .o 14w Cetnoat.s.euers, vim they p ayed that the li•.o-e %cook! I.p..inf a speeia, comt:i.sion to investigate the j,',.t. SUGAR. SA NDON preseo.,, a prltti to from the sugar aid tut)'2.-S - S stating that there was a great %, ar ,app y -near, there being only - Tee tout le. ot the quat.tii y su pl:ett to birnier yeas and two - Int. Cr,. 11911-e o tak.• Into C n the twat twans of tnak g up be.detie;enr). IU ENI E OFFi.l\ll)Eitg. N BI.F. o pr. !Wit ell tw pt uho s front the Cor -I..ve,n .1. ttrit.rig for ati alts of 'h.- law with r tr n.i. r• ; x I,hti i m born the rotte and 1.. to exempted from the 1 0 7 ;;; : t . fr m variou. it Y viaving 'hose persona engaged The Loll) 0 fa a ; e rerd or -rAork. nture “f !h. "• t " return •tt the expen i g twenty years.— At:rr. l l to, Cumpao) !or the ia T ECTAI(I)Nit;rINIIFDED(EI ITA'AkEN. r3A %IP , '" ‘l..ria,ved the Cr "f t he day fu: e j ba?Feth•th.. 4eoiitt rea•,iug of ..tivii!B ill, ..""• -• Mr. TA re ORD O'BRlElNri;se - fo s•iare~sss to.tise• Thy ~digtt Vhora, Zkroat stated , and vt4ted f4rl), tht tD.c,4O D) BILL. N, MORNING, itNE Hon. M. miters messed to a roereion Bill should not give thei votes in favour of it in est:equenre of the measures recent' passed through that Heuse, and that these who were i• tevour ot it should not give their votes against it for th. opposite reason. Nothing could be more reasonabs than the first part of the Right Honourable Baronet' proposition. He had yet to learn that any man would get ui anti say he weiild vote fur a Coermon Bill because of a Corn I men,. Bill which hat passed that House, and totally irrels !ive of the mews. i Bill, the cannon, of the. liiiiister w. had introduced it, at d the claims he nsti on the cer,fident•e • the country. The Bill roust be pre-eminently censidered question of coeli mere, and when they found that itivested the Government with a discretionary power surely it c.-uld he considered in no other light Sh' Anted take the folowing as en illustration. If the Govere 111, o% e rrs ac l COOOIIg ttOWII hat House with free tra• rat`s tote,, alitt e ls eesiess ,halt ell restrict en on tee inh ortat I• • of teo I shone! e ate and .lished, had come down , o tbs. Heuse, tied sari ht fer dislt: mi,ar) poster to Open the ports he merely eave that a- a , . iiluetrattou -.it e (mid be very es elms to stews Him. Gent late n in t hat House that, in so doing the . weuld hare asked for a larger pow, r and greater confidenc than they had ,eme wi b th , ir present enure; aid he cool choose no t istinctien between a question of cenfi, e e n c e on the h reettiction of loud over the libercs of 1 who e temple. It 11 - 2,y were not prepared to intrust the Govern meth with such ',tree peers w o e case, neither were the, ' , repine!, unless they lied the mist perf. et confidence in th• Government, to invest them with a di,crmienary power to sus peritt the constitutional liberties of sea, n millions of theh yellow-subjetes; and, therefore, he thomeht that the Right Hoe Barone , in At , ernp.ing to separate the present question from e question of confidence so the Government. indulged in a view id :he question which the House would hardly suppert. He had no vote to rescind en tee present occasion, and althnuel he did not with to vote against it, stall he could net bring hi , mind to vote in favour of the measure. He had heart s o much of the evies of a nominal protection the; it had in some dt gree become the habit of his mind. He had applied this principle to 'he present Bill. There wer,• two points which had nit been spoken to in the present debate which were first, whether this Bill would really pass ; and second. it it did pass whm her it would be of any service at all. They had been called upon to pass the resent Bill, on the ;wound that if they threw it out it would give an impetus to agitation. He was not satisfied that all the means had yet been tried in order to put down it. outrages which existed, and protect life in Ireland. 'I he 2e and 3d William IV wee tri e d i n th e c ounty of Leitrim wit) success. In the oihrr counties it had not been tried at all He when in onecouldnot consent county u tot y he present abrogation of th• constitu tion, -once( Hear, hear.) I a t t l e a r s a t s t b a c s bad p en „ lair eyt had to resortb eett, t•xtraottlinery measures, when the ordinary ones bad not been tried. Until they had tried the resent law, t r was mo s t unfair to set pend the constitutional liletrtie. , f a allele nation. The Bight HM. Baronet said the measur• was only a topical remedy, ate' not to he meshed to all Ireland If it %este so—it he laid stress on that character of the tn.& ure, they must look to those lone resident in the five coun hes whether such a remedy would be effectual. He theugh , thin all thrice who were connectedwith three counties front ong tier, anti had intimate knowledge, would be found pint against the - measure. Every one must adroit that it would irodure great alienation of feeling, and they ought to pause , end censider whether the good to be obtained would counter - halanee the evil, He, at. least, would say that as a native ot Ire] hid, a resident in that country, and a magistrate, that h, could not consent to the nieesure.—( He sr. hear, and cheers. :le e,nsidered it would be impo-s.tle to carry out the curler •lauses of the Bill. The provistue was totally impracticable. The Bill was tritely inappiiceble to the countrs, anti that clauss earti..ularls which enacted that the people should be confined their houses from sunset to sunrise. He bin elf could no mforee it in his own county. He would feel it, they: fore, t, hr h's duty to oppose the secend reading of the Bill. lhere was a reason, however, for tl e increase of trim in Ireland which . those around him weuld reedit) •intierstand.—( Hear, hear ) He traced it to the failure ir he potato mop. The people found famine staring them rise face, and the consequence wits the mere:les that swelled he returns, hut they aught not, in feirro•ss. to be set down to do rdtn rev cenoitien of the people. He had no besitatien in beeline -is testimony to the corpluet of 'he first Minister, arid i, , s , ing that the measures taken by the Bight Hon. Barone , meet that state of things were mire effewire in warding ff the distress arid the evils- than any Coercien Hear. °wester impt•rative it might be in them to show the necessits f s mehmes setetificing their old epinions, 301. aster th• rhse•able exh , bition winch had been seen that session, he di eet regret having said at its commencement that .h. •wed unfettered ells gi •rice to party. rest usages and laws ,f that House hart been construeted wi , h reference to two great mews. arid beceuse there hid been more than two he believet, hat those lows ewe irieffica , ions. anti would remain so. He night say that If lo•reefhr he should have to vote for (merely, neesures, and he did not mean to say that it might never • -me, he should not regret hay rig been able t.o advocaet e milder policy , and if he should hereafter have to Amer with those whom he was now to assist in throwing ou , 'f '.fee. in any capacity ander them he should not 1. boor ter less cheerfully for being compell•-d to express his want of con erienee in them at present, and t.o record his vote agains, them now. Ale. VESEY feared that he should appear to some disad vantage at this parr of the debate, but he rould not remair 'ny longer silent. Nei her could he refrain from expressine s ••oneurrence in the testimony of praise to the Right Hoe. "zecretary for the Home Department ; but further than his he could • not go, fur, as an Irish proprietor, he could nno way accede to the necessity of this Bill.—( Hear. hear ) He should go on two grounds, one was the necessity, and tee other was the policy of this Bill. If he admitted the eolice reports he was bound to say that there was great reason shown for the severe measures which were projeeteo against Ireland. But in stating thus much he must call the eteention of the [louse to the tact that instead of the five •nunties those reports had reference ro the whale of the country, rod in the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet it was evid tit hat he bad merged the ft to counties in the whole of the onutry. so that. there was n t sufficient reason for the appliea ion the Bill to the whole of the country. He could state e `act which occurred five sears ago, and t is was in particula, • pference to t he most °hie( tionable part of the Bill, but one which 'ught to have been included, viz., the security for the witnesses. Phis was a ease which occurred when he was empannelled on he Grand Jury, when a man was brought forward whop . use hail been attacked by a party in search for arms; tine - int only had he stated when brought before the Grand Jury. hat if he gave evidence sis life nr..uld be in danger. but when is brother was brought before the jury he fell upon his knees :nil entreated that he might not he compelled to give evidence. (r had again been urged that other remedies might be t e phed for this ewe of things. He was glad to set he remedies which hod been introduced by the Nobl. Lord the Secretary for Ireland. It had been urged that pedal commissions, increase of the constabulary. and other 'means of that sort., might be beneficial in oheceiug he present state. Spec - al Commissions had been tried it, am in Queen's County, sor at the very time a Special Corn eitsion was siring in that county some of the foulest murders y..re committed. Lord Grey had introduced his famous oereion measure in consequence of the report of a Committer f that. House appo nted to inquire into the nisturbed state o' t eland. A great cause of the prevalence of crime in Irelane va. , the sempathy of the peepie with those who committee ff nees. It it. was not symeatity in all cases, it was at least u ,ant of teadinel. ' 0 assist w tb_c detection of • • ffending parties. ,et them destroy that teelitor of eympethy if they hoped te reprove the condition of th e country. The provisions of the . . till would operate to some extent in al ering this state o' eines. He did IV), agree with the Hon. Memrser for hrerthamptonshire, that if the curfew clause was passed In 'tan would he safe. If that Hoe. Member would read it right,,e,hree actually vyiiulii fi o n u d t that no p erson would be affected unles hey .ei•tory II • new turned to the Conmettee which reported on the statt a Ireland in 1832 which eas reimposed principally of lihera et ve en a g aged. H hcilhinb a ui t t.t n i i e ei e, h r, l. lo. a on n o d wechi c i o ct.h r i e t given to life arid prop-rty, and that metsuree should h. k n to put down .lon. Member here quoted several ex•rams from the evidence aken hetere that llo , timptee, all of which Went to " Ithehosiem and nocturnal outrages. Tht l a dt t he t n r Y i ' o iwt teetion shout(' how the great disturban ce w hi c h then erevailed, ant to nee slit hexist exited in effectually a would yet have a great eff ec t in- ixrvent:r) stoppingg those the t c l o i s m tu b r i b n a a tc t l i, er criminal purposes wh ic h were now so ri f e . The Hon. eSeteleman then quoted an extract f rom th e seeeela of Sir Whlha t e e r eeb, white op-n i ons were strong l y i n f avour of the lie. He would beg to tall to recollection a speech of his 'tight Hon. Friend, in whieh hr had thanked the Government, tud in that speech he I leaded that fathers and mothers of fami lies might ge to bed in peace, with the assurance that them selves and their families would not be awakenedby the midnight n he celled up on hi s H on. F r i en d to give a cordial. t'suonrdr ; and ou e r r a e blte and impartial sepport to the Government, notwith standing the difference whi c h existed b etween hi m an d t h em . Mr. HUME did not expect to have to address the Ileum!. fee h e fatly expected that the Bill would have been withdrawn Yet he nev •rtheless could not help eongratulating the Hone, n e th• n ch l n H Op e in d i' i t d n which had remember b,rt t:kP et r i i m p e lae w e with hen. spinreaHect House 'f else Members, all the opposition that they could muster Eeglish. Scotch, and Irish, w as on ly comprised in the number ef i'9 Members, Th e ease was now greatly changed, but he had hoped that it would have been more changed, for when be referred to the speeches of the Right Honourable Baronet. ( Sir James Graham) at the end of last session, hr tomed that conciliation marked every sentence of those speeches. the Right Hon. baronet had spoken of times gone by. He ',AIN Hume s• remembered greater outrages in Ireland than any which the Right Hon. Baronet had adduced. He would call the attention of the House to the state of Ireland in 1823. And recall his expression of opinion. which was decidedly against the preseet measure. What had been stated in that Reuse by Sir Henry Parnell? Sir H. Parnell bad said that it by a long course of ill treatment we had made that country a nation or slaves, alt their coercive measures would not remove The effscts ot that bad treatment. That country had all along been governed by a system of Protestant oppression, and ;n erder to shiny that he could refer to the penal enactments against the ratholu•s, which precluded them tram filling the meatiest offices in the kingdom. 1 hey were precluded from any offiees connected with the law, and were even precluded from tiding the eiJhatitins of officers in the army and navy; and though fir se enactments had been repealed, still their effect remained t a considerable extent, and were a very great .nurse of annoyance to the Irish Ca - helics. What with Co ercion Bills. the Arms Act, and other coercive enactments, with the suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act, Ire land had hardly ever been allowed to remain in a situation in which the more proper and cultivated feelings of the people cold be developed. The present system of govern ..ent was rendered, by a party feeling, an uniform system of oppression • upset the Catholics. It he looked through the whole of Lnrd Grey's appointments. he would find the greater part of them were what he called Orange appointments. Und..r these circumatences, wash surprising that Irishmen sheuhl be deed to the feelings of patriotism, and indifferent to she laws which were nominally for their benefit? And that feeling wetriti never he removed until her Maje-ry's Govern ment chose to carry out those professions which they had given last sessien, and adopt those measures of conciliation which -Orly were caleulated to restore peace and tranquillity to Ire lend. The effect of the present system did net only affsct Irel-inn, it was felt in England. For was it not painful to contemplet • the mass of misery, destitution, and crime whirh existed in Ireland, and for the relief of weich Etigland was c impel ed o use resour..es which ought to be applied to diirt rent objects? lilt repeated. that the evil would never be e,ot rid of until the present , ystern of relig , ous persecutioi, was Abolished, acid the Cathol c was made, in every respect of civil ient, equal to any other member f the cnturnunity,, who midst he of a persua,ton more favourable in the eyes o f the country. If the 800. Gentleman the itemiser for Northampton. and the Noble L•hd the Member for L; an, acted with regard to Ire land upon the same principles of justice which they wished for Etiele• d. they mieht bat su.e ot commanding, the affections; of the Irish p , ople. The true way of concili at i ng t h e people of [retold was to plate them en the same footing at the scotch an d Etesitsh peo de. What was wanted was, really to carry out the union between the two coun ries. H e had always been op posed to a repeal of the n them. bur his desir e was t h at it s h oul d be a hanfid-, and not a parchment u n i on. T he difference between a free man and a slave was the participation of equal rights and privileges by the former, and the Irish people would never be free till the la.' tinier which they lived were the sa me as these enjoyed by the residents of this country. There was nothing, in the inst itutiens •ef ire - thud:Ant sh '— e people aced care to preserve. They were entirely at the mercy of a fez, to vim Ducat tLI Tit b: faizo, waci, sea tz;,e 1846. 26, olvantage of the great body of the people —( Hear. hear.) 'he people of Irelai.d abroad were as well disposed ,ed as industrious as the English or Scotch; why, hen, were they in their own country the gild beasts they had b'een represented to be .hooting and murdering each other? It was the bad state of he law, and the way in which the Legislature had acted to -aids them. He had a return in his hand, from which it ap ared that the four counties in which the greatest number of •iuil hotels prevailed, was Kerry, Mayo, Clare, and Co-k, nile in all thy- other counties a large proportion of the wire of the same character. The Hon. Gentleman , re react several extracts froirn the return in question, show ,g that i n those counties where the greatest number of mud ileins prevailed, and where the people were most crowded to ..her, the atnoust of crime and outrage was the greatest. retu. ns would (the Hon. Member continued) suffi - nt y show that pover:y 'a as at the loot of a great deal of e evil mnpl.tne.i of. Bur poverty was not the only cause there was also the question of tenant-right. Load Devon's :o:nolission showed that the eviction of tenants was a fruitful urce of much of the (itemize axcl crime that abounded. 'overly and bail laws were at the bottom of Irish gri. e ances , od, unle.3 they grappled with these : no coercion law would e found ~.vailoig to counteract crime and to protect p roperty. et .hem give the lr: s h p eo pl e con fid en c e in the law, and they could soon be found as good subJ..cts as were the people of ith. r England or Scotland. On these grounds he should vote gainst the second rea-ing of the Bill. Vt,count NEWPORT - would vote against the Bill, not from desire of continuing opposition to her Majesty's Government, ut because he thought it a most dangerous and irritating mea ore. lie found all the Irish Members on the opposite side of he House against the Bill, and that they were divided in , pinions on this ide of the House. This was some evidence hat the Bill wog one which should not be agreed to by the House. if this measure were of so vital importance, as it was :roteßsed to be, it should have been brought forward and pro -ceded with before any other measure. If they really thoughT hat the lives of the people of Ireland stood in need of protec ton they would not have treated the measure as one of an or- iznary nature. The Bill was a most uncongitutienal one, he would, therefore, oppose it. Lord CLAUOI , - HAMILTON was surprised to see the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn prompt the last Noble speaker.—(No, no.) If the Noble Lord denied it, he would hen withdraw his observations, It was quite impossible for aim as an Irish Member to give his vote ir, favour of the Bill. le felt, however, that it was his tainful duty to do so. He iad listened to all the arguments which had been brought for xard on the present occasion, but he had heard nothing that had he effect of al- ering his opinims upon the subject of the necessity Or these stringent measures. On a fsrmer occasion, there was io disposition in the House similar to that which influenced it er the present oce4sion, and induced it to slur over, as it had eine, the accoun's of the disturbed state of Ireland. He bought tit,. circumstance was only attributable to the great 'eight to which party feeling was allowed to operate upon the winds of Hon. Gentlemen on both sides of the House. It was more than three years since great complaints were made to the Government for keeping a great number of troops in Ireland ; he constitutional susceptibility of some Hon. Members ap eared to have changed considerably since that period, for they .a .l asked the Government why, inst. , ad of pressing their mea mre, the) did not increase their military force in that country. 'le (Lord Hamilton) contended that the proposed measure would be less opp-essive than the keeping up of large bodies of r.ops, who would be paraded about the country. He denied I , e statement which had been made by the Hon. Member for Montrose (Mr. Hume), that the policy- of the Government tad been a one-sided policy, favourable to Protestants. He , d , ci the Hon. Member to put his finger upon a single Act. ,eich, during the last five years, had been passed by the riovernment having that tendency. He could refer to a num wr of Bills, the Maynonth Bill, the Bequests Acts and thers which were of the very reverse naiure. It was a very ordinary argument that all the evils of Ireland owed heir origin to the legislation of that House. If that argu ment were good, he would ask why did not all Ireland present he same symptoms, inasmuch as every part of it was governed ay the same laws? Every one, however, knew that such was tot the ca.e. A great stress was also laid upon the tenant ight in 'lister, without which, it was said by the Hon. tilrmhers for Armagh and Cork that that province would be ..xactly in the same situation as the other parts of Ireland where outrages existed. He denied this, and contended that he arrangement of what was called the tenant right was not t compact be wee's the landlord and tenant. The only ground .n which it rested was the expectation on the part of the in eiming tenant that in case he should leave.the land he would le repaid the amount which he had paid to his predecessor. This, however, could not exit in Tipperary, inasmuch as there %as no money paid by the tenant g ing into possession of hi' ,tolling. nor did he think that the moral state of feeling which prevailed there would tolerate the existence of such a usage. Every attempt had been made to improve the moral and social •ondition of the people, hut it was al to no purpose. Legis ation had been tried in vain, and he thought that nothing re nained but coercion. The Noble Lord concluded by defending he landlords of Ireland, whom he considered a very ill .used set f men ; who if they were permitted to carry out their benevo lent intentions towards the people of Ireland, would, in a short tine, cause a far different state of things to exist in that un happy country. Mr. C. BULLER thought this was a subject on which they eight to have been spared the declamation of the Noble Lord .who had just sat down, and it scented to him that if they con rented themselves, like the Noble Lord, with merely looking to he moral depravity of the people, without endeavouring to apply a remedy to the grievances under which they laboured, heir condition would never be much . improved. A few nights igo he made a few observations in reply to the Hon. Member ter Rath, and he then took an opportun ty of saying that he tad, in the year 1833, when he was then but a young Member ,f that House, opposed the Coercion Bill of Lord Grey. On the part of the question he went entirely with his Hon. and Learned Friend in deprecating the personality which Lad cha racterised the present debate. He thought it odious that these personalties should have been made. And more odious that ,uch a determination should have prevailed to affix them to any 'testate individual.—(Hear, hear.) He was of opinion, taking •verything into account, tkat the circumstances which had oc curred had arrested the atten ion of the Home to the condition of Ireland, and would be productive of a better state of feel ing and a new state of legislation towards that country. lie ..ould now state his objection to the Bill. He thought that, as measure of coercion, it was exceedingly paltry, and very II adapted for the state of things which prevailed in Ireland. If the country was in a state of insurrection, he could see the ,iolicy of confining men in their hou.es from sunset to sunrise, hut it was admitted on all sides that the country was not in such a condition. One thing was most remarkable, namely, hat during the last fifteen years the generality of crimes of a tumultuous nature had decreased, except in the case of rob beries of arms, hr which they might thank their own Arms idl, which appeared to him to be a most efficient means if giving to the lawless the knowledge of houses where arms were placed. But crimes of assaults en individuals had greatl increased in proportion as the former class of crimes had di •ninished How were they by an Act to shut up the people from sunset to sunrise to prevent noonday murders? It was in old and a stale question ; but still it had never bean an .wered —((sear, hear.) He believed that the clauses of the let were by no means calculated to repress those outrages. Under the Government of Lord Normanby —at least at its com neneement— crime was infinitely greater than it was at pre ent. Lord Normanby commenced by endeavouring to obtain ne confidence of the people, and he obtained the confidence of heir acknowleged leaders; and what was the result? Crane ad, at the commencement of Lord Fortescue's Government, 2:ractually and steadily decreased, until it.was not one-half of what it was when Lord Norrnanby commenced. Lord Nor manby, however, did not attribute that diminution to the effect of his policy. He attributed it to the effect of a Coercion Bill which was in preparation, and which, he ad mitted never came into operation, and he, therefore, afterwards was in favour of coercive measures. If it had, however, beer. the terror of the Coercion Bill which operated on the people, he terror would be greater immediately after the passing of he Bill and before it came into operation. Crime would have diminished at first, but when the people became freed from those terrors crime would break out again. That was, how ver, shown not to be the case; for immediately afterthe pass •ng of the Act !gime at once increased to a frightful extent, sod continued increasing with great rapidity for some time after. It did not seem to him that, even when they bad ad- vance4 so far into the nature of the remedies which should be spplied to Ireland, that they had got to the bottom of the problem. They h.id yet to devise some means of giving a per manent remedy to that country. They had had repeated in quiries in that House, and repeated reports of Commissions, Ind they all agreed that crime and outrage in Ireland arose from agrarian causes, and to the utter dependance of the Irish peasant on the cult ivation of land, and his adherence to that cul tivated land which he had tilled in the midst of the wilderness around him, and the destitution which necessarily resulted from his ejection from it. He would quote from an authority which he feared might be disagreeable to many around him, but which certainly was a good one on this subject. He alluded to Mr. Foster, the Tinges commissioner, and he found, in one of his first letters, that in the county of Cavan, disturbances arose (torn me particular cases of ejection, of which• he gave the circumstances. - He also traced these risings to the same cause in other places; and, on the contrary, gave instances of the perfect • security with which those who acted the nart of good landlords eight traverse the country. All i,the best authorities In Ireland, all the best informed travellers, and indeed every one who knew anything of Ireland, agreed that the outrages of the poor arose from the outrages on the poor. He admitted that the sympathy of the people with tin so who committed agrarian outrages was a most hor ribly perverted feeling, but it was their duty to attempt to remedy it, and not to spend their time in declamation, but to go at once to the root of the evil, and to remove it. He could not see how they could ever put an end to these outrages with out providing for the people the security which the people of every oilier Christian country in the world enjoyed. Lee teem look at the condition of the peasantry in every other country in the world, and they would find that there was no other country in the world in which the peasantry could be ejected at the caprice of the rich man. In foreign countries the peasants security was partly in the proprietorship of the soil. Even the serf of Russia could not be left to starve by his master, and in England the existence of the pleasant was secured by the poor-law. Yet in this kingdom Mr. Gerrard had turned out 800 men became he thought he should make a few hundreds more by the substitution of bullocks instead of men. But the ease was different with respect to Ireland. Since the time when the old Norman Barons used to starve their serfs when it served their purpose, there was uo country in which the peasantry had been worse treated than in Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) They could not get rid of the population of Ireland, or cut up the estates of the landed proprietors among them, and the only alternative left them was to carry out the principle of the English poor.law.—( Hear, hear.) No other remedy would meet the evil. He knew there would be great difficulty in ex tending the English poor-law to Ireland, as the danger would he the confiscation of all property to support the people ; they should, therefore, in passing such a law, take care to accompany it with efficient measures for employing the people. He knew no better way of doing so than by setting the people to culti vate the waste lands, on something' retch a plan as the Dercn Commission. The principle should be to cultivate the improv. able land in the way it had been done with the Bedford Level. —( Hear, hear.) Even if it ca me t o a last resort—if Paris. ment were applied to, it would not he, he A y verse to granting a sum of money in thewhich it had been done with the West India planters. Grants a' of money might be made to enable the landed proprietors to improve theit estates, and then to employ the people. They should also do all they co u ld t o encourage the flow of English cap' al into Ireland. But with a ll reme di a l measures of this kind.i there must, be an efficient poor-law. But there must be some thing different from material things employed to pacify Ire land. The legislation promised towards Ireland had hitherto been most unsatisfactery. They had suffered from a church in which the people did not believe, and been subjected to irrespon sible authorities, which had been the continual cause of op pression. These must be remedied, as well as measures taken for finding food and employment forthe people. He would before sitting down advert to the policy of her Majesty's Government towards Ireland. No one could accuse him of opposing in any very uncompromising manner the Government ; still ho re gretted to say that their measures in relation to Ireland, how ever Rood in themselves, had lost halt their value in the manner in which they had been introduced. He regretted also that the good measures of the Government should be marred by this Coercion Bill, and that after the introduction of that great measure, which the Right Hon. Baronet had carried at great personal sacrifice. an.i in which he bad encountered great (woe sition, he (Mr. Buller) should be compelled to oppose the Go -1 ves4ment. n ow. Still the peace and welfare of Ire! and were too great matters to be sacrificed to keep in any Minister, however t:oy ? a id ? a cted iAteNiti a to ; 20F..1.3 questions.—( Hear, hear.) On these grounds be must oppose the second reading, of the Bill. CORN AND CUSTOMS BILLS — MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. Messengers from the House of Lords brought up these two Bills, along with several others, which they declared their Lordships had passed without amendment. The SPEAKER then read from the chair that the Corn and Customs Bills had been passed by the House of Lords, without amendment.—(The announcement was received with tremendous cheering. ) Mr. BANKES said the Parliament had been assembled for five or six m.,n he, 3 , 1 this matter, which had been mentioned in her Majesty's speech as of pressing importance, had been delayed till the pres'-nt time—( Hear, hear'—such had been the progress of the Bill. With respect to those who voted f r the first reading, he mtt,t say that that vragno ex• press saricien of the Bill. as the usual course w e, wilt a Bib in that stage of its proceeding and coming 'row) the House of Lords. to allow it as a matter of course. This, therefore was the first decided vote en the principle nf the Bill in that House, though five months after is introduction.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") He believed the Mieistry had no intention of carrying the Bill, even though they carried the second reading. It was well known that even now the Go vernment was perishing, by aelf.combustion. and that three days would skittles% their dissolution.—( Hear, hear, and pro. tection cheers.) The Government well knew, even if they could carry the Fecon dreading of the Bill, that they would live buttwoorotf carryin g the and therefore they can have no intention whatever the measure. Such was the position of the Bill and of the Government. He could not conceive how ntohhfeewti theybe e x g c i i t n e hn m ai dn e z n n to, of ptationwed session, ee r d s detaining heer a Government wa s j ust ifi ed in putting the country i n a state o f carrying a m s e of Parliament, seeing ttold d i t b i 3 n . into e effect. Government,the s e a s r y the or E t h x e e c o st a e i rty n e f Government, lreland, he d e ridedt at the to m s e u a r su p r o e r t thwae'mnec had they shownw disposition to push th e Bill forwar d ,itot tv, and ould have still had his cordial support. Th e y had no t,t, proved themselves sincere ; and he could n o longer s upport. them. Jr. a conversation with an eminent lawyer in Ir elan d i (Mr. Brewster) which he had at the beginnin g of the year, he then expressed himself, that though he had much to complain of the Executive Govern.. ment, he would, if they were sincere, support the Coercion Bill. At a subsequent meeting of those who acted with the Noble Lord (Lord George Bentinek) it was also agreed on that, if the Government really showed a disposition to push the Bill forward and thought it necessary, they would support it. That decision was intimated to the House at the time. But they thought in consequence of the delay in bringing the measure forward, that it was intended only as a political tool between two contending parties. ; and very naturally doubted the sincerity of the Government in speaking of the im minent necessity, or, as the Right Hon. Baronet had called it, "dire necessity." It had been said the present measure was to be tried by evidence. He quite agreed in that opinion, and he would call his first witnesses from the Treasury bench, whose evidence against the Bill was their delay in bringing it forward. The second witnesses which he would call were the Irish Members. and their evidence was entirely against the measure. With such witnesses and with such evidence he and the party with whom he acted could not but consider it their duty to oppose the Bill. He thought the Government were mistaken in their opinions of the state and remedies for Ireland. Was it for him, and the parties with whom he acted, to confer these unconstitutional powers on a Ministry just on the eve of dissolution, and in whom they had no confidence?— (Cheers.) It had been said, why did we not at first propose a vote of censure, end then dispose of the Bill before the House? And. in his opinion the Hon. Member ear Birming ham (Mr. Seooner) coincided He would ask that Hon. Member whether he would think it advisable for him (Mr. Bankes) to propose in that House, upon the present occasion, a vote of csnsura on the Government, or join in an address to her Majesty, praying her to remove her present advisers, and immediately afterwards place in the hands of those Fame persons ,hese unconstitutional powers—powers which should not be placed in the hands of any person, except in those in whom they had unlimited confidence? Or, would the Hon. Member prefer the adoption of a course by which a vote of censure would be proposed at a subsequent stage of the mea sure ? He did not think that would at all alter their situation. He objected to placing, by any means, or in any way, such power in the hands of persons in whom he had no confidence.—( Loud cheers.) With reference to the measure 'tself he would est the Noble Lnrd the Secretary for Ireland, if there had been any period since the Bill was first introduced eip to tl e present time, that the provisions of the Act would have been carried into effect, supposing the Bill had passed into a law? If not, then be would say there was no necessity for the measure. It. however, he should be told that there was a period when the Act would have come into operation, 1 1 then nettling could justify the criminal delay in bringine ties measure forward. Under all these circumstance: be considered it would be dangerous and improper to give such delicate powers to persons who did not possess the confidence of that House. Mr. SPOONER said his Hon. Friend the Member for Dor setshire had appealed to him on this question, and he (Mr. Spooner) assured him that he did not feel the slightest dificulty in answering him, although his Hon. Friend thought he had placed him in a very difficult position. He could not admit that he was in a difficult position. He greatly doubted whether the result would not prove that the Hun. Member for Dorsetshire was himself in a difficult position. His Hon. Friend had rested hie opposition to this measure, not rip= the ewsitive fact of its not being necessary, but he inferred its nnn necessity from the conduct of the Ministers. Ht had like wise rested his opposition to this measure upon his want of confidence in the Ministers ; and then he alluded to it in the usual way—to the test of a want of confidence in Ministers— namely, an address to the Crown expressing that to be the opinion of the House—and he (Mr. Spooner) cheered. that allusion and that cheer brought forth the appeal. Now, his Host. Friend asked him whether he was prepared to vote no confi dence in Ministers, and whether he was ready to vote in favour of the Government of the country going into other hands? Now ne ( Mr. S.) believed that that wouldbe a perfectly constitutional and Parliamentary course. He did not rest his support of this measure upon the state in which Ministers were at the present moment. If his lion. Friend app sled to that as a witnes for the necessity of the measure, he (Mr. Spooner) would appeal to the statements then lying on the table of that House. He slid not trust simply to the declaration of Ministers. He ap appealed to the statements of crime upon the table of the House; and, after a careful inspection of these documents. he felt bound to grant the measure his support, as he believed it to be essential for the preservation of life and property in Ire iand.—( Hear, hear.) His Hon. Friend had likewise said that he appealed to the Irish Members on the other side of the House, and all of them had declared that the measure was not necessary ; and even if necessary it would be found to be ineffi cient.—( Cheers from the Opposition side of the House.) He (Mr. Spooner) appealed to all Hon. Members on hie own side of the House ; and, on the eontrary, every one of them had declared that the measure was necessary ; and they told the House that the moral effect of refusing this measure would be tremendous in Ireland. Increase of crime, and more out rages welds', in their opinion, be the result ; the rejection of this measure would be an encouragement to the murderer.—(Hear, hear, and No, no.) They had told them, that the most serious consequences would follow the rejection of this measure, and he (Mr. Spooner) would say, that he had had the opportunity of conversing, with many of the Hon. Members from Ireland, and particularly with one who had just returned from Ireland, and he assured him, that the well. disposed people of the t country, apprehended with the greatest dismay, the rejection of this measure—that its rejec tion would, in . fact, most seriously endanger the peace of Ire. lend.—(Hear, hear.) Those apprehensions were particularly entertained by those who were called the Conservative party in Ireland.—( Ironical cheers.) They said that if the House of Commons rejected this measure, they believed that it sveuld he a triumph to one party• in Ireland, whilst it would sink the other into dismay, and that the consequences were such as the Members of that House could not anticipate.—( Hear, hear.) And he must say that those friends of the Conserva tive party in Ireland who sat on his side of the House had just reason to complain—that having stood by the English Members an the battle which they had recently fought for protection to native industry—having fairly supported them through all the arduous struggles in which they had been recently engaged— Ironical cries of " Hear, hear," and laughter)—he thought that they had a just reason to complain that they had not even been consulted with regard to their views upon this measure. It was first intimated to them that it was the intention of the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn, and those who acted with I him, to vote for the measure, as they conceived it. to be essential to the peace and prosp - rity of Ireland.—(llear, i hear.) He (Mr. Spooner) confessed that when the Noble I Lord rose in his place, and stated, on behalf of himself and those 1 who usually acted with him, that it was the intention of him self and his friends to vote against it, it happened that he (Mr. Spooner) did not happen to be informed of that intention, and he did confess that he was strongly tempted at the time to get up and disclaim any such intention on his own part.--(Laugh. ter.) The Noble Lord had no right to represent that it was his (Mr. Spooner's) intention to vote against the Bill. He - was glad that he did not rise at the moment to check the Noble Lord, for the delay had given him time coolly to con. I eider what opinion he should entertain and express, of which 1 it might afterwards be difficult to get rid. He had given this 1 measure a cool, and calm, and iadifferent consideration.— I (Cries of " Oh ! Oh ! ") He had seen that this measure was first of all considered necessary by the majority at that House. He had seen, too, how the measure was received in the House i of Lords. He had searched the records of that House, and he found that its unanimous consent was given to the measure. He found that those Noble Lords of that highly powerful party : —that influential party in the other House—Eoh, oh)—who unusually acted in unison with Members on the other side of ! that House of Commons voted for it. He contended, then, I that this measure was recommended in a manner which ought I to call for such a support from the Members of the House of Commons as to suffer it at. least to go into Committee.—(Hear hear.) He likewise conceived that those who had voted for , 1 the first reading of the measure were called upon to vote for it i in its subsequent stages. As a general principle, he admitted ; that the House was not bound to do so on every Bill—that was to say, with regard to Bills which were allowed to be read a first time as a matter of course. And had they riot gone into a full discussion upon this measure—had they not the whole principle debated fully for five nights prior to its first reading-- its merits and demerits he should have admitted that the Members of that Il might change their votes on this the second reading, ej la a .7; when he remembered how compl eae l y bad beets canvassed—when after &length? debate they had been called upon to give their deliberate "udenisent and opinion upon the measure, ants they had accordingly 3 recorded their votes—he did say, although he did plea no .e t d preiend to dictate to Ilen f already given. They were bound by Members, that they were care and examine whether any circumstancesthe votes which they had in consistency ad te k good to justify them arisen ta e since they voted for its first reading whetranyng had taken place short, and without any reason vote against the second readin g. changing their votes, and now turn round Something had already happened, probably, to justify that ch ange.—( An ironical cheer.) He understood thattleattea7e—n it alluded to circumstances which had very 2' ;It o to justify them in 1 place—it alluded to the present ; position of —( Hear, hear.) But was that r after having voted for the 1 voting against the second reading, Members of the House in this ters involve? It involved the . _ _ _ . their in favour first? What did the recent changeof the position of Minis- if t b b e i l ti , a o f the delay occasioned by the Ms coneented to withhold vote did they give their first vote in fa vour of nesters, why then • ~ ?a...(lean ) If the measure had been delaled o d f iffi th ee e lt m y' e t as h u a r t e , the Ministers, was that a reason why it should ü be nne r cj eeted ? the measure ?--(Bear') by When Ministers had at length brought it for ward a second time, ought it to be rejected because of the delay? He conceived that the measure ought to be pressed forward with all convenient epeed. He knew the difficulties under which Ministers were labnuricg at the present moment. He remembered an expression of the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn, which was to the effect, that the blood of every mur dered person rested upon the heads of the Ministers if they suffered any unnecessary delay. tie (Mr. Spooner) would ask the Noble Lord what he now thought of that expression, and whether, upon the mere ground that Ministera had hitherto delayed the measure, he was justified in carrying out that delay, and if he did not consider that the blood of every murdered man in Ireland hereafter would rest upon the head of himself and those who voted against it ? ( Hear, hear. ) He (Mr. Spooner) would not give his vote upon this oecas.on • merely for a party purpose—he was quite sure that he need not say that—( Laughter ) beceuee his posit* would clear him of such a charge. He could not consent to make Ireland the battle field of party.—(Cheers.) He could not consent to leZd :::,...""`Q:.: tO ;ay saeame tl.aaa. ',;4d :zet:ely fo ; :.te, *act a change of administration—( Hear, hear)—when he saw that life and property in Ireland was left unprotected. He could not refuse giving his assent to a measure like this, which he really believed would have the effect of giving greater security to life and property. After a deliberate judgment, and the best consideration he could give to the measure, he must err that he conscientiously believed it to be imperatively called fora —( Hear, hear.) No party considerations or motives would in fluence him in the vote which he was about to give. He would ask his Hon. Friend the Member for Dorsetshire whether his vote was given under similar circumstances? The vote of that Hon. Member it appeared would be a vote of ne confidence in the Ministry, and one of confidence in the Noted Lord, the Member for London —( Hear, hear.) Had the Hon. Member forgotten the conduct of the late Government with respect to the Irish Church ? Had he forgotten the appropria- , lion clause ?—( Hear, hear.) Had be forgotten the manner tail which that party had conducted themselves with regard tea that party called the Conservatives? Was he prepared to cone sent to their rash Idic) ? The late Government had tried to govern Ireland by concessions which were dangerous to the safety of the Protestant Church. Cmices.ions which had been found only to call for further concessions.— ( Hear.) Whilst they tried to cenciliate a particular party, they left unprotected and unguarded the people of Ireland.— ( Question.) And that was a charge which hid been brought against the Noble Lord by the very party that he had served. Much bad been said about the delay of her Majesty's Ministers with regard to this measure, and that it ought to be withdrawn, because crime had decreased s i nce i t was or.ginally brought forward—a point which he was not willing tOconcede. But even supposing that crime had since decreased, that di el not show the moral effect which it had had upon the people of Ire land. Would not the measure for the preservation of life and property be wanted during the ensuing and future winters?...... (Hear, hear.) He conceived, that if ti ey wished to pacify Ireland they must first of all apply coercive and then conciliatory measures. If he had refused to give his support to this measure, 'after the statements which had been laid before the House, he should have considered him self to have grossly abandoned his duty. It was not his cus tomupon the attention of the House—(Oh, oh) — t a o n t d re i s l p e a s s ii s hie should, ,thercfore, briefly conclude by assuring t th e th e House that he would be quite prepared hereafter to give support to any measure of relief to Ireland, by whatsoever Member it might be bro ught forward.—(Cheers.) Whatever might be the sum proposed for the subatsntial relief of r Ireland, he s h ou ld m o s t willingly vote for the grant- They most take into cons i derat i on the condition of that country, for which God bad done so 'ouch and man PO little ; and if they did , they would find the' Iri relate wo idd evince their proverbial eraii't I a ndappreciation ' t the kind"" e dis played towards them. SHEIL.—s; eee necessity is sometimes tb B , l;ane of the best Government, an d of a bad one, very frequerM the worst pretence ; and in this instance that it is a pretence and " tan argument, I have ri sen f or t h e purpose of ahoavice. I ... 0115 '“ ei e' that the criminality of Ireland is the result of that treat:ent Mich has been applied to her by those who now propose ta.:' present measure as a remedy tor it, and that, consequently. tit(' argument they have drawn from the necessity of the case is # bad one. Following out this view, I shall have oceanic:, te animadvert, in the remarks I am about to make, on the policy which the Government has for some time past pursued with regard to Ireland. Often has it been my lot to condemn the measures which the Right Hon. Baronet brought forward in connexion with that coun try, and when 1 do so I might to remember that it is to the Right Hon. Gentleman himself that I am indebted for thee privilege of pronouncing his condemnation.—(Laughter.) And as, when the Right Hon. Gentleman was in the hey-day of his power—in the high and exalted position which he held at the head of the party which had taken him so long to con struct, but which was now reduced to such a state of dilapida tion, as I hope I always avoided then any offensive per sonality or malignant recrimination —now, when his fortune has changed, when he has descended from that pinnacle. where he was then placed, and when a cloud has passed over his splendid career, it shall be my care that the animadversions I may find it my duty to make shall not be associated with bitter ness.—( Hear, hear.) I own that I do not despair of the Right Hon. Baronet, and I dwell with pleasure on the anti cipation that he who has exhibited such inconsistency, and at length changed his views to so great an extent with regard to the commercial affairs of this country, will yet give a glorious consummation to the Irish policy.—( Hear. ) Having now performed the office of hypothetical panegyrist, 1 will new pass to a more distasteful task—that of finding fault with the Right Hon. Baronet. I believe it was the intention of the Right Hon. Gentleman, when he passed the Catholic Emancipation Bill, ,had be remained then in power, to have carried the Twit of that measure into effect. He mace a speech on that occasion, a pas,age of which was, in my (Tinian, of more importance than the recent allusions which have been made to that period. He then enumerated the various times when Coercion Bills had been tried, and when the result expected from them did not follow. He said that for the purpose of showing that coercive measures had frustrated their intentions, and that some other remedy must be applied to the grievance s of the ceuntry. But how did the Right Hon. Gentleman act when that Bill be came law, and when he was subsequently obliged to go into op. position? The Right Hun. Baronet exerted himself tee .the utmost—did his worst, to obstruct the Whigs in their efforts to carry the principles of the Emancipation Bill into effect, and to ameliorate the condition of Ireland. I will just instance two examples of the course of conduct he pursued the Municipal Bill and the Irish Registration Bill, The Right Hon. Gen tleman announced his intention of assimilating the franchiees of England and Ireland, but what a comment war that announcenieut on the conduct of the Right Hon. Gentleman since. With regard to the line of proceeding on the Irish Registration Bill, I will say that it i= a disgrace to my party. Perhaps the object intended when the Whigs were in power was to molest er obstruct their antagonists. At soon, however, as the Right. Hon. Baronet came into power. molestation was set aside; and though session after session the Secretary of State promised to bring in a Bill upon the subject. we are now almost on the verge of a general election, and instead of a Registration Bill, a Coercion Bill oat introdnced- The Right Hon. Baronet had found himself entangled in a web whose intricate mazes be hiavielf had spun. The Right Baronet endeavoured he bit saeings to counteract t,t. doings, but 1 think we arc toll' by Sliakspere that— 'Tis a kind good thing to Fay;" but wh n he shook the confidence of one party he did not succeed in gaining the confidence of the other. Every man in Ireland who could write with force—every man who could speak with contagions energy—all classes, the priesthood and the hierarchy of Ireland —every man was arrayed in dire hostility against them, and the agitation for repeal which succeeded was the con sequent of those measure: which they had brought for ward. What did you do to meet that state of things ? You dismissed the repeal magistrates. Then followed the state prosecutions, which were carried en in the spirit of oppressive blundering, and the world shortly afterwards beheld the liberator of his Catholic countrymen incarcerated 'hy Preteetant jury, at the instigation of the man by whom the Jury Act had been carried. How then can you wonder, when justice had committed suicide, that this thou d have pro duced its influence on the other classes of the community ? It is not a change in the constitution which is required, but a change in the policy of the Government. Compare the re sults of the Government with that of Lord Normanby; and in the first place let nee ask you how that Government was constituted? Lord Normanby, the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland, was beloved by the people ; his chief secretary v: as my Lord Morpeth. I must beg your pardon, Sir, for breaking the order of the House, and I will only say that his name is sufficient to be mentioned to secure him praise. His under secretary was Mr. Drummond, who, though not born in Ire land, was more than an Irishman in his love of the country. Mr. Wolfe and Sir M. O'Loghlin, the ornaments of the Catholic bar, were respectively year Attorney and Solicitor-Generals There were conductors between the Government and the people. The Government was supported by every man of in fluence in the country—it was supported by every one of the Catholic body, and every Catholic clergyman became in some sort an unappointed constable.—( Hear, hear.) But unless you should think that my evidence ought to be listened to with suspicion, let me read a pa'sage to you on the " Past and Pre. sent Policy rowan's Ireland," a book not written in a hostile spirit towards the Right Hon. Baronet ; on the contrary, it is fraught with praise founded upon anticipation. The writer says that Ireland never made more rapid improvement than under the Government of Lord Normanby ; and under him for the first time the Irish Catholics began to fed that the Government cared for their interests, and the question of the repeal of the Union was almost forgotten and discarded. The author then adverts to a meeting held at Mallow, where upwards of one hundred thousand prisons were assembled to present an address to Lord Normanby. They owned that they had belonged o the party w ho had agitated for the repeal of the Union, but that in conse quences gre at and liberal policy, they tendered their of the opinion which the y entertained of his Excel lency, and of hi to alienate their affections from Lngland. Now, I think that res ignation of that question , or any other which m i ght appear statement which I have submitted to you plainly de monstrates to you that for the necessity of the measure their exists no grounds whatever. But from, the consideration of this point, I will pass to another more immediate to the question at issue. if the Government conceives this Bill to be necessary, if They regarded it as abso lately indispensable, if they thought that without this Bill Murder could net be arrested in its career, what is the reason that Parliament was not called in the month of November last? —(Cheers.) When the Government were conscious that. they had two great questions before the Legislature. why wao it that Parliament was not. called in the month of November ? It has again and again been asserted during the course of this debate that the Government were bound to bring for ward their Coercion Bill in the House of Lords ; to that aFstrtion rstr answer has as yet been zubinitted.— (Hear, hear. An entire month elapsed before the Bill wa s b roug h t forward, and on cannot say that your Bill was no t ready— it consists of no more than three pages.—(' H hear.) ear, y And when that Bill carol down from the Hotsee you did notsugges t • good reason. any go why it should not have passed beforeyour Corn Bill. The Irish ports were opened fur the importation of Indian corn ; you ought to hav e given a protection for life before you took protection from corn. But there exists no necessity for the Bill; and if you examine t h e statements made by the Hon. Baronet, you must see that there has been no case made. In the Queen's speech it was stated that perpetration; th a e n csisn a e a r ! as sassination has been of frequyent e i c te re rp a e ry intro ; duced the ram- Right Hon. Baronet the t home ; that a' the disturbances were confined sure, he stated distinc y few ruffians in those counties, and to five counties, and by a that the mass o f the people were untainted. The Right Hutt,. Baronet f ur th e r said that in those counties which were tainted the crimes were co mmitted by bands of ruffians, but that the number of persons in those lands were insignificant when cores pared with the great body of the people. He then went on to say that the effect of the Bill would he to punish the districts where crime occurred by causing them to maintain the force requisite to maintain order ; and now I ask, has a ease been made out for this h ave any substantial facts been put forward to show you that a Bill of this kind, which is to last three years, should receive your eon sent--and has a case been made out for the original conclusion of this Bill, which, when it was first introduced, was intended to he impeeed everlastingly upon Ireland, and to be incorpoe raeed with the institutictra of the country ?—(Cheers. ) I t ar n now to the speech made by the Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland. That speech consisted in a catalogue of the offences._ and. I am not disposed to dispute the accuracy of the statement of the Noble Lord but he cl.d not point out the efficacy of the remedy, cot had it. been attempted to show how this measure would prevent crime in Ireland. How is it that nocturnal coerch.n will prevent diurnal outrage ? if you cage the owl:, what is to become of the falcons?—( Loud cheers.) The Noble Lord said that r he Arms Bill had completely failed. Whea that statement was made, the Secretary for the Home Pcpurt ment signified by his look that he thought that the Noble Lord had conic in a etite of nature from the woods sod foreete— (Laughter and cheers)—and th a t h e s tood in need of the finely wrought integuments of the mind which are so abundantly supplied in the Hornc-office.—(Cheers.) Bat the admissi on is one of the utmost importance. We cannot but recollect the fierce contentions of party which took place upon thie very Arms' Bill, and if you look at Hansard y ou will find that two or three volumes are occupied with it. You then conceived that we were then intiuenced by factions motives. We rest our presen t predictions on the truth of our former vatieinatioss. You ask. what is tp be done ? You say that the measure is indispen , ible. and you have undertaken to show that a 'great part of these evils can be cured by the force of this law. Tb. Crown Solicitor for the co unty of Tipperary, does not reside in .the enunty. • He has the whole provence. of Leinster in the, range of hi: prefers oval employment: lie'goti t w i tx •