The Sun. — London, England, 1812-05-15 00:00:00

, • to the diecie‘elen, es it, was tivitalS is relevant to Two appeals liad . te eit,n.iede to ihe House—the one to their feelings, the etheritece their judgment.-- 'I hey had arise ered 'the firseby expressing in words, as Soong es the British language would atfied, their eietestetioit and abhorrence of the crime that had been committed, and their sense of the public and priyate virtues of. the i n dividual en whom it bad been Committed.. When they come to the provi eion that was to be made fur te.e family of that in dividual, their judgment teas necessarily to be cone suited. Feir his part, he thought it would be wise to pOstpone the consideratiee of .the subject fur a weeke when the. Houee' would he Inure cod upon it. The necessity had .been urg d of making a liendeothe provision for Mrs. Peicevel, and all the ; there were realty d4fereeces of opinion as to what was a handsome. provision. - Under all the circutnstanCes of the case, he did not see the net es sity. All that he tlizmght the House bound to do, on the spur of the occasion, was, to vote something, to shew their sense of abhorrence of the late horrid transaaion, without entering into any nice disquisi tion as to what tnight be the cost of toe edecation of Mr. Perceval's children. Fur tile reason, hoe ever, which he bed assigned at the commencement of lets speech, he should refrain from voting on the present question. The Hon. Member then made his bow, and retired from the House. Mr. 'V. FITZGERALD concurred if) , the opinion of the Hon. Gentleman who lied ,jest spoken, that the .question was an appeal to the ju d nent, as well as to the feelings of the, House. But, in his opinion, that judgment and those feelings ought to be coin-- cidene—His lac - dented Friend had been iii office for fiveyeatee without having made any provision for his family. On the contrary, he had lete them poorer than they were when he entered upon his career of public duty. No one could deny that had his Right Hon. Friend continued , in the lucrative profession from which he was withdrawn by his sense of public duty alone, he might. have attained to the highest judicial offices ; and, with those great talents, and with that kind disposition and, nature which he possessed, must have acquired affluence. — Del the House recollect the disietetesteentees ex hibited by his Right Hon. Freed ?--Did they re ,' celle& that when a valuable office .(a Tellership of Exchequer) 'became vacant, after his Right Hon. Friend had relinqui•la d that ptatssion ti) which it was impossible that he could return, he might have advised his sovereign to give • it to his son ? And would 'any man say that such'advice would not have been justified ? If Mr. Perceval had followed the example of Lord Sidmotath, his family would not have been left in so destittre a state. But Mr. Pciceval was a singular instance of a Man whese fa mily had been ruined by his self-devotion to the public seryice. Of the nature of his services, he (Mr. F.) would not speak ; Otherwise he was as much disposed to indulge in . the warmest eulogiuna on them as any man could be. But they were . not the questions. The question was simply this- e -whe 7 ther the family of a public funainnary should be al lowed by the. State to be ruined because that public functionary had ably at 4 zealously and disinter estedly discharged his duty ? Conceiving that this would be the height of national injustice, he should certainly vote for an extension of the pro- , posed grant. The advantage of unanimity u..aht as much aware of as any man could be. But on the principle of the vote tile House had already unani e mously eroneupced their sentiments. The, only difference of opinion was with respe& to . the amount of that vote. On that question, every man was surely at liberty to decide which way he pleas ed; for otherwise, the agreement of certain parties out of the ,House, would bind that which by the division of last night, was shewn to be a majority in the House beyond all. comparison.--He ridiculed the idea of the grant as originally proposed, being considered as an at of liberality and munificence on the part of the Empire of Great Britain, to the family of the first Minister of the Crown, foul!) , murdered in the seivice of the State. Let the House picture to themsel'es the young anti in teresting individual, son of the man who, hen liv ing, was beloved by all ; let them picture him as heir to his name; let them picture him bearing the appellation of Spencer Perceval—let them piaure him full of ability and enthusiasm, and anxious to follow his father's profession and his father's foot steps—and let them consider to what a state of in capacity for doing so he had been reduced by that atrocious at which at once deprived him of Areal teetionete parent, and' his country of a patriotic Mi nister. Well had it been said by an Hon. Member of that House, that no one who bore the name of Perceval ought to be allowed to lament his -fate in poirerty.. It was a srutiment in which he cordially concurred, and, he had no•cloubt that the House would shew by their decision, that they were ani mated by similar sentiments. MT:TIERNEY, while he professed that no one en tertained a stronger feeling on ehe•case than him self, thought the,question ought to be decided by the sobLr judgment of the House,. Hewes anxious therefore, that their decision might bs suspended' for a week, in the hope, that during That time the Conversation which he might have w th didereet in dis ideals on thesubjeel, a ould induce him to change his present opinion. He begged the Huse to Cote seder the singularity (if not the irregularityjeif vot ing a large sum of money in'the absence of the First Lord of the Treasury and Chancellor of the Exchequer. He would move as_ an amendment, that the further consideration of the resolution be postponed until this day week ; taking it for grant ed, that after the recess Parhatneet would meet under different circumstances from those in te Mich they were at pre,sent. Sir G. WAR RENDER observed, that the arguments urged by the Hon. Gentleman who had just spoken, would have been as applicable to the two first resee lotions as they were to the last. He repeated the statements of other 'Hon. Gentlemen with respect .to the disinterestedness of Mr. Perceval, in abstain ing from availing hitnself of the opportunity which his high situation must necessarily have affcrded him of enriching his family: His death was solely at tributable to the conscientious discharge of his duty. This made it peculiatly incumbent on the country to take - care of his family, and particularly of his eldest son, his representative ; would the House, by their niggardliness prevent hirer, at some future pe riod, trout entering Parliament, and following the . . ORI'YERS COLX:I-CIL MARR ATT, ahseoce of air Honourable Alderman, Metube for the Cieveof London,. pre sented a Pr,rltiola frein certain. Merchants, owners, and Tteiner:i of the City of London in favour of olteDelers in Council, preying that the same may not be repealed, but be continued, as a retahatury Sesnmv against the enemy, until thy Orders of - the enemy are revoked. The Petition was.laid the table. eloNum,EN't"no THE MEMOIvi tli. , THE LATE PERCEVAL. T-erd . ce:ve. gzive hotiee, that he should to - tuore row movie an letteble ..address to his .Etcyal Htgh ness - be'Prince -Regent, hunibly prayiage that he ve-ou'd he gr'aciously pleased to give direttions for ereetine a monument to the memory of the late b l-Honourable Spencer Percevali _in the Ca ethedral Church of St. Peter, at Westminster. • MRS. PERCEVAIrS FANDLY. Lord CPeriTLEREAGH moved the Molter considera tion of the resolutions of the Committee, for pro • viding for the family of the .late Mr. Perceval, lair. 0. Aimms , wished to'reake a few observa tions upon the subjea. The Hon. GentlemaaTstat . ed, that he had riot the honour of an intimate ac cuaintance• with the late lamented. Right Honour able Gentleman, whose family were-the objeCts of the present motion—the public and private virtues of that d - stinguished man had been so ably pour trayed by Gentlemen more capable then dittnself, that he corild - not add any language which he could use to the testimony so justly bestowed. But it was _impossible to recollect the tragedy of Monday without emotions which could not easily stibsi:le— a tragedy which had awfully stretched away from the scene of life, a man so eminently qualified for his public station, and borne him to the silent grave. With respect to the grant, ,and to that he principally rose ; he thought the House - would not act up to the professions which they so unanimously evinced on Tuesday, if they did not make an ample and liberal provision for the eldest son of Mr. Perceval. He lamented that the Noble Lord, when he originally brought the provision under the consideration of the _House, had tiot proPesed to double the grant.: If he bad proposed MOW.- insteatiof 50,0001. - he was sure i he House would haie acceded: io the pro position unanimou-ly. Sure he. was that the Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. Ponsonby) w i no seconded the -motion, would have adyok - aled the larger grant. Lord CASTLEItEAGH reminded the Hon. Gentle man, that his observations applied to the third eeselut ion, and the t wen first had not been disposed of. The first and second resolutions were then read, and,agreed to nem. con. • On the third resolution being . read, • Mr.' Huseetssoer, adverting to the vote which he bad given on the preceding-night, observed, that he cot' &agaiest the previous question ; -as it was ne cessary to come to a vvote, the unanimity originally proposed having been departed - from. With respect to the reselution for providing for the eldest son of the late Right Hon. Gentleman, after the decease of his mother, that might be very well. Bat did .the House see the situation in -which a grant of that -kind might place the young man ?-41e might. or might not stand in need of it. at that time. Was the House aware that it was likely he Might suc ceed not only to the name but to the splendid ta lents and abilities of his lamented Father; that he was a young man of the most promising• abilities, and that it was intended be should prosecute his studies at . one of the Universities to fit him for eessing through life with hoverer and advaneage to himself, w heater in • the profession of his father; or whatever other situation, was not now the -dues lion ?. The House must be convinced of the great expence aiiending a liberal education, and the im possibility of maintaining that rank and station at - College upon a bare pitance of 2001. per annum. The only resource, theiefote, he could have (un less the House took his situation into consideration), was to depend upon his Mother, and the deficiency of his maintenance must be supplied out of the in, - collie of Mrs. Perceval, of from the-provision 'made for the other children. Under these circumstanceshe thought ' the House ought_ to make the grant more elf dual, considering the age of the young map, and give him something immediately. Sup pose 10001. a-year from this tune, or from the me . went of' his coming -of age. Sir A.TIGOTT made some observations as to the wording of the resole:ion, in order that the House might not decide in the dark. The Resolution pro posed to provide for " thenhale descendant of Mr. Perceval, being the-heir at law." Now the son of a daughter of Mr. P. might be the heir at law ; he thought, therefore, that it should be specifically stated -" the eldest sun of the late Mr. Perceval," - to avoid errer. e . General MATTHEW was of opinion the grant was not of surfictent magnitude, not what a, great coun try like England, ought to give. It the Hoeour aule Gentleman was to move to grant 20001. a•year for the eldest on of , such a man, he should tot . ..think it too much. , • Mr. HIJSKIsSON intimated his - intentiene for the reasons before stated, .of proposing - to vote 1,0001. a-yehr, without prejudice to the grant of 2,0001. to Peicey4l. Mr. J. W. We nn thought the arguments which the Honourable Gentleman, Mr. Heskisson, had used, might with equal propriety apply to Atte other . sues. When he recollected _this, - and fur th:e, that the sums originally proposed, had re ctived. the approbation of the friends of Mr. Per ceval's family, he was bound to support the original 'proposition. • Mr. - , WALLIS declared that, in his opinion the young. inail why was the-representative of . Mr. •per ceval, ought to have every adVantage which the country could give him. Yesterday'evehing he had voted tur the Amendment of the Noble Lord, be . - Geese he was desirous of preserving unanimity ; . bus as the 'House had decided - by a large majority, ..against that Amendatent, he felt himself at liberty , to give way to his feelings fur the memory of his much-lamented Friend, and in testimony of the high regard in which he held his virtue and talents, be was ready to vote for any additional - grant that might be proposed. - Mr.W. SMITH came down, determined not-to oppose tithe's° large e majority of the House had declaied to be their opinion. Ha wasenevertheless convinced of the danger of opening thetdoordo any extended vote. He regretted that the personal cha reeler of Mr. Perceval's son had been introduced in- ON: WOOD. of No. example of his good father ? He had hardly bees acquainted with Mr. Perceval. On many owns:ions he had, voted against him. klut he was persuaded, that he only spoke the sentiments of the country when he 'declared his opinion, that Mr. Pereval's eldest son ought to be rendered independeni. • •Mr. TIER.Ney, in explaliatiun, replied to the first sentence of the Honourable B'aronet's speech, by saying,-that he would have objected, under the cir cuulstances.. of the Elouse, to the original propo sitions, it he could have found any one to agree, wish him, bUt he could not. - . • Mr. WiIITBREAIi sunpoited the motion for post. ponemeot, in the hope that the House might come to the consideration of the question with more coolness ; but certainly not in the eXpectaiion that he should alter his opinion upon it. • He denied that file understanding which [tad been come to, out. of the House. upon the subject, had e%er been consi dered as binding upon the House itself. He trust ed he should led acquitted, et en by Mie Perceval's warmest political • friends,; trout any wish •to bear hard upon that Right Honourable Gentleman's me mory. It was with great pain he took a part ire the present discussion. He lamented, in common with every mart, thd deteStable deede which bad deprived them of that Right Hon. Gentleman. He cor dially concurred in the two resolutions . ot the Com mittee, to which the House had already agreed. Bin if the House went further, he could : riot ,hut consider it as a reward - to Mr. Perceval's family for his public services, -and he should be a traitor to his own principles and to .his country, if he ab 7 stained from protesting against any proceeding which could be construed into Parliamentary ape probation of those services., Let it be :Considered, whit was Mr. -Perceval's career--and what was the situation in which his family, by the late votes of • the House, had bcee placed. His ca 7 reer was his own choice: He was bred to the Bare he site; wards obtained a seat in Pat liament ;:he t hen quitted the Bar, trom choice--not baring called upon in the first instance, to - abandon his profession. It had been said by some, that Mr.. Perceval had given up a lucrative prthtce; his (Mr. W.'s) inform aims on that subject was very different. It had been said, that Mr. Perceval reluctantly reliuquished that prac tice for the service of his country. - The faaa was, that several eminent office's in the law had been of fered to Mr. Perceval, Which he declined, choosing rather to continue in polit:c 31 life. He (Mr.\V.) coo demned the manner in which the talents of Mr. Per ceval's sort .had been spoken of in tint *House, - cone ceiving it likely to be in ever;; way injuriousto trim.'What was the situation of Mr. Peteeval's 6rritly In the first place, Mrs. Perceval had a provision in dependent of Parliament, which was at least 20001. a year : he had thought it much mere. Parliament had voted to her 20001. a year more.' - Parliament had also voted 50,0001. to the children, with benefit of swvivorship. Thus it appeared thaethe‘family would posiess a-clear income of 6,5001 e; a "sum surely sufficient for their maintenance and educa- tion. -If-any Hon. Member knew a country -Gen tleman possessed of that income, and_withu family as large as that left by Mr. PerCt'aval, would they consider him unable to give his children an educa tion which would qualify them ,for any liberal pro fession ? Calmly and dispassionately, and with the utmost sincerity, he protested against any further grant. To-morrow the House were 'to be called upon to vote a monument to Mr. Perceval. These things grew upon the House, and he ,protested against their increase. Lord BINNING observed, that it was too late to comphiti of unanimity having been disturbed. Tire present proposition having been made to thdHouse, would they consent to negative it > fie avaseurprised that. any Gentleman could supposethat in voting thi; additional grant, Parliament would be implying an approbation, of Mr. Perceval's p o litical condua." If any strong commendation of Mr. Perceval's political condo& had been inserted in the resolutionen might have been liable to such an interpretatibn ; but there was not a word in It to that effect. Mr. P's private virtues had endeared him to all hearts. He had quit ted a lucrative situation to enter on the public ser vice. He had abandoned many n advantages of which he might have availed himself. The House knew that he diael poor,. and would they hesitate for a moment in giving to his son the means of emulating at some future period the cenduti of his excellent and patriotic father ? Mr. SUMNEtt ridiculed the inconsistency of an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Tterney), who affected to be unable to vote for the'propOsed resolution on account of the mere absence of the First Lord of the Trea sury and Chancellor of the Exchequer, but who; on former occasions, (and particularly in thecase of Mr. Palmer) had voted for the application of large sums of the public money, in dnea opposition to the expressed opinions of the First Lord of the Treae and Chancellor 'of the Exchequer. He was anxious to di% eei the question of all party feeling. He was anxious that what Parliament might be disposed to do, they would-do promptly. 'He was satisfied that if they. -abstained from doing more than that, which they had already done, they would not redeem the pledge which they had given upon the subjeel in their Address to the Begertt. Adverting to some of the observations made' by an' Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite (Sir A. -Pigot), be taimiteed that in drawing bp his resolution, sonic little inaectireCy of expression.might have occurred. Nothing how ever had passed in the debate either on this or, on the last night which - altered his opinion with respea to the principle of that resolution. From the ex tent to which the resolution -vent he would riot. re- Cede ; but he professed himself ireifediy ready-to go further if the Hnu-e should think fit to concur in the proposition 'of his Hon. Friend behind bin] (Mr. Huskisson.) Lord CeiTeveteeox declared, that lie should be doing great injustice to the Hon. Gentleman oppo site (Mi. ,Whitbread) if he did not say, that thro' the WhOle of the transaction he had evinced the most cordial interes`t. On the subject. Bui•tbe . lionoura ble Gentleman had, however, unintentionally:misre presented the manner in which ,his late Right Hon. Friend left the profession of the - law. He left it on the deliberate convii!tion -that, however unjustifiable the secession might be, as consideed, in the first instance, with respect to his duty to his family, it was imperative on him to obey the maedatory re quest of his Sovereign—that Sovereign who never called taiSen any man to injure hisz family by entere Maiden-lane, Covent-garden; and Published by W 1 'LI Am AR E s CRIVPS, , South Mel ton.street, Grosverbr-squate, jog into-his service. For the IsTonse must recolleae that when the- .Sovereigh. did call Mr. Perceval to his. Councils, it was on the Supposition this- the s' ' • means existed of alleviating to his family the pris. tate, injury which that circumstance occasicued O' s them.- His Right Hon. Friend, however, steopect ., between his family and +he grant to which he -ale - , ' 2 - hided ; and, from Motives of the purest pirate, des: : prived them of that- which they otherwea-aYs.inl4;' I . isave enjoyed. -Subsequently, in a service of consisT ~. derable extent, lie had -neverefwhich he ::::;ht ii.otie done without any impeachmet)t of that higi. eunour , • Which marked his colidua*through thewhole course . e of his life) availed himself of his situation, to place', 4 ' his ktrnily in .independence. With respect to 11N statjon in his own profession, the las:I totes, that . lat the- time Ike quitted it, his ps'oiessional eteneset.er v' so extremely high, that although he had'nut beet! ni the receiptsof any very,considerable ernoluinents Us - .! fote thitt period,. there could .have been no • doubt 's . 'that had he remained at the bar, he must have rnad 3 an ample lertune. Hecould . assure the House, 0 " • the part -of Mr. Perceval's fat - tidy, that they elite; - - tamed a deep and gratefiil sense of the iiherali'Y which they had already expe`tie,nced from 'Parhe'' went. For himself; taking all circumstances io"' consideration, he should not feel justified by rottoll , for any extension of the giant. It; however, i t should appear to be the deliberate judgment of the House, bOth in the Committee and on the Repol i : : that such an extension should he made, he shotO - ' feel justified in giving his support to its in the pro' gross of the Bill throughh - the House. , - Mr. Luattirsoross could see no necessity, whet' 3 Message had been sent from the Sovereign author s ' ty, in the knowledge of the absersoefrom Parliarne n . t s of a-Fiest Lord of the Treasury and. Ch ance llor o' the EXchequer, that the House should hesitate) ( ' ll the ground of that absence, in agl - eeing to. any proil°": gition which might originate in that Message. : 1303 '; `. nimity was most certainly very desirable ; but sele ti „ 1 : live-sixths of the House were of -one 'Opittioo, al d, t . one-sixth of another, it was reasonatsle that ' l '' / , it. one-sixth should 'concede to the s five-sixths tat"' . 'fr ., than require stk. the five sixths should concede to '''. -,.. - - Mr. HUsKiSsoN again pressed the necessity of: S'' ~ increased grant to Mr. Perceval'i eldest.son. I sh i ' . '. hundred pounds a year;' every body knew, w° l ' l - be most insufficient to educate him and to ' ero 6 - : him to pursue a liiseral- profession, or_ to conarnell,- . a public political life (if he were so chsposed), sci" v‘- . out belies a - .-burden to his Mother, or deduel i l. e more than his fair:share of the general ailowance . , t d the family. He defended hiniself horn 'the cha . l- e of going - out of hiS way to extol the charaMer di l' i l l i ,' Perceval's eldest son ;- but did trust that tie d ', o l might come, when-that. young man, inheritiog , O t t he -did, the virtue and talents of.his.lather, 1 , .. 14 ,1 succeed hint in public estimation, and in 01 -I '''' dignity. -- : - --.-. ' • - - s . . , Mr, MARTIN (of Galway) was. decidedly of °l li' ,pion that Pirliament were 'called Upon to indet - rw it Yj as far-as it-was' possible,. -the family *I Cali'. Pert',,, for. the unforeseen ,calamity As hlteh had bet: 3li ; them. - What had been done on other oceas'ol:; d. For. instance. - .(ite did not mention it \xis') any 1 bi like , i s sapprobration, but the re-jerse), a Ri lt ht Lil l e ' , :. and Learned Gentleman who -voted last - night' i , -' .'. in Cdmittee against the present re , olue; 0n,01.r. l i,, ' sanby) enjoyed a pension of 40001. a year for - 1 9. . , , , for having held the heels in the Court, - of ~ ....7.l.or.''''',. , in Ireland far 'a few amonths._Surek , -;teett - =' ° , l : the representative of the man who had , Iteisl ti'''' l l lice •of Prime Minister - of the .Einpire for s°'" o f • years, and who had-lost . his life -in coasequesto,,,„l' the conscientious discharge of his• duty, was co` l ': : ,0 to a better provision than that .granted him bY, e j, , resolutions to which the Hotise had-already acc e ` c i be If he considered-that to extend the grant welt' i sf to imply an approbation of Mr.. Perceval's 13 01 ` l ini conduti, he should protest against its estop iou. . ti , had differed from Mr. Perceval on a great grid !,il , -portant sUbjeel ; and were he alive he shoul d ` e , for from him Mill. To Mr. Perceval he wai s c3 , r; a ir ly known. He only had the honour of pupil ',,ist his hat twice to him. It was therefore on the ground of \duty that he must support the extol' of the grant. . Ti s e.question "being loudly called for, e k ed: ;' " .Mt. SumNareobserved, that those who corlot i , (o ,. in the-proposition of his Hon. -Friend b e hind' P e si: must, he presumed, negative the motion for og re s ,e ~ lug-to the Resolutjon of the Committee. ( set ' t ' The SiEAKER stated, that the only way to a,,,„0,- `the Hon. Gentleman's (Mr. Husklsson) , P t the sttion would be thig—all parties must negati ve ,,, e ssr , first proposition: There would then arise ° l . l 'i s ht ' question on the postponement proposed by 3 v e Hon: Gentleman (Mr. Tierney). 'lf that P r ( I of sition should be affirmed, there would be all en o cS° '-the bosiness fin that day ; if disaffirmed, th e q Eton The original rpollbri "to agree with the at id I mittee in the said resolution," was then pot' , -negatived without a division. the Mr. TIERNEY'S motion for postponing ll' `,list consideration vss consideration of the Report bra week, W 35 put, and also negatived without a division. . t ier On the question being put, for recommitt illg . , Root t, e ne . toe fT OI ~, Mr. WHITI3Pr.AD, drelrcltlS of di: idlog , d la only on the last stage Of the proceeding, w i ' Ll" ' -know when +hat would -be ? . Tise SPEAKER -replied, that if_ the inotioil fbrt,r;:: comMitmenr should be carried, the next n'cuote' most he that stile Report. be comutitted to a c oil "mitred of die whole House ; but the Howie ..,..iti notsiesolve itself into that,Conatunt;e: on rite P: 0 ' 0 ) -day, because, as it was a ntoney proceeding , it; 1 e it 6 Le irregular -to let it gc, thrutigh two stages`` day.- ~. at l' 6 Upon-this :Mr, NV's ITtsnEAD intimated, it . '.` o. /Le would deter dividiti. , until the - , , tin rnorrow for going into tile ennmittee. The Motion for recommitting the repot'' , ,-,it' m sequent Otiotti for - - s t ... co t- tim i,ti„g it to 0 C on '' 'e' tee of the whole Ltotise, • and for the fiooie solVe itself tomorrow into the said Commit loe' v ` then agreed to . . • • • . e . On the motio-.1; o( Mr. BROUGITAM, the 1 4-ou4 it) ie t.s solved_itself into a Committee on tl)t Council, and. proueded with the e xamin.4 ol wilnesqes. 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