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Mr. 111.7.MZ presented a petition from a persen of the nuns The Noble Duke had departed from his engageosentF t of Daniel Stour, complaining of hi s di sm issal by th e Board of rearms were best known to himself, atid heil.no Ordnanee. The petiti o n e r complained t h at h e h a d b een th e were sstisfactory to his own mind. At the thee else . cause of leading to the exposuie certain mail-practice. ear- tam was made to ?tiro he iict.tised Mr. Shore, when he foetid stied on by attic of the officors, for which, he believed, though that that gentlemen had received the leave et the incumbent; another cause had been assigned, he had been dismissed. and their Lordships need net be informed what were the -Mr. HUAlto postponed his motion r el a ting t o the R a ja of rights of incumbents or of patrons. One clergyman cool., not Sattara till this day lortnight,and his resolutions with reference go into a parish and officiate there without the leave of the to sugar till the sneer duties came before he House. incumbent, and when the incumbent of 'the parish refused to WAYS AND MEANS. grant leave to Mr. Shore. he did not feel himself at libcoty to, On the motion for the oreer of the day for receiving the re- sanction his officiating. Mr. Shore then said be would officiate port of the Committee'on the Ways and Means, in spit? of the refusal, and so he did. He remonstrated in Mr. CARDWELL (in answer to a question by en Hon. the mildest manner, and called upon him by the oath which Member which did not reach the gaVeri ) said that the only he had taken to pay obedience to the Church, but he hid nut alteration which had been made in the Post-office communica- chosen so to do. tion from London to Dublin, was made at the time that the Lord BROUGHAM said that his object in commenting Grand Junction Railway was opened. The Post-offiee au- upon the matter at all was, to draw attention to the defective thorities seized on the o ppo r tunity t o secure a double communi- state of the law, with the view to have it amended. The °phalli cation to Dubl 11, and the effect of that arrangement was to Lindsay, who had been twenty-fite years rector in the English double the inconvenience, instead of convenience. Church, and who afterwards became an Unitarian miaister, Mr. HUME inquired whether any further information had and founded the Essex-street Chapel, had never been proceeded been received from New South Wales with resp e ct to the de- against ; neither was Dr. Lardner, nor any of those who had falcations of Air. Manning. He had asked last session fir recently left the Church arid become Roman Catholics, the some information respecting the defalcations of that officer, and Hun. and Rsv. Mr. Spencer, Mr. Faber, and Mr. Newman. the dispatch ought to have arrived by this time. i He thought, therefore, that their Lordships should pause before The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (es wet thee turned a deaf ear to the comrlaints of petitioner. understood) said that information had been received, and the The Bishop of EXETER explained that Mr. Shore was a money and the securities hail been recovered. Dissenter 'from the discipline, not from the doctrine of the The report was then brought up and received. Church of England, and thus, repudiating the authority of the SUGAR DUTIES. I diocesan, still continued the service of the Church of England. Mr. B. ESCOTT did not know what necessity there was ; He stood in a very different position to those gentlemen who for continuing the present duties for a month, because the pro- had seceded from the Church of England for that of name, posed Government measure would reduce the price 3s. 6d. i Mr. Shore might have escaped this prosecution if he had cons per cent. seated to deposition ; but this, by his counsel, he had expressly Mr. HUME had placed a notice on the paper, with reference refused to do. The only relief the House could afford was that to sugar duties, but as the Noble Lord the Member foe the city from costs, anti if this gentleman still continued obstinate, he of London had a notice upon the paper, he thought it better to could not conceive that this was the right way to obtain the re postpone the case until the matter could come mote fully before lief which he apnea. the House. Lord BRO C r G HANI said that he could cite the venerable The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER made some authority of Lord Stowell for stating that when once invested remarks on the subject of tie postponement, which were totally with the character, a priest could never be deposed, bat inaudible in the gallery. could only be suspended. Mr. MOFFATT thought it a great hardship on those per- The Bishop et EXEHER could cite an equally high autho• sons who had taken large contracts that the present outy should rity, 'lamely, that of Lord Stowell himselt, in the case of be continued f o a month. some one against Stone, i n w hi c h th e d ec i s i on h a d be e n, th a t Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that the reduction of the after the sentence of the Ecclesiastical Court, the Bishop duty to 3s. 6d. would be opening up the whole question. could pronounce the additional sentence, and depose an offender Mr. THORN ELY said it was a most important tax, and he from the ministry. did hope the Goverurnent would take the opportunity of reduc- The bishop o• LONDON thought that an interminable confu ing the sugar in price. sion ssouid arise if a party, after years of study and prayer, were The resolution was then put and agreed to, and leave was to be permitted at once to act in contravention of the oath which given to bring in the Bill he had deliberately taken, and resume the civil position which PAUPER LUNATIC BILL. he had forfeited when he entered into holy ordere. The proper Sir JOHN TROLLOPE wished to know whether it was the course to adopt under such circumstances would be the deposi intention of the Government to carry into operation the provi- tien from them nistry, but care should be taken not to confound aims of the Bill. deprivation with deposition. Sir JAMES GRAHAM replied that the opinion of the law After a few words from Lord CAMPBELL, officers on the provisions of the Pauper Lunatics Bill had been CASE OF THE REV. ROBERT KYLE. given, and it was considered necessary in consequence to bring . The Earl of RODEN prezented . a .petition tram the inha in an amended Bill. bitat.ts of Donnybrook, bear Dublin, complaining of the dis missal of the Rev. Robert Kyle from his ministerial duties by the Archbishop of Dehlin. The complaint of the petitioners was so earnest, that he thought it bis duty to acquaint the Right Rev. Prelate with the contents of that petition He could not but think it most harsh to deprive this gentleman of the office which he had so long filled with great credit, for no 'other fault, than joining the Evangelical Society. The petitioners prayed their Lordships to take such steps as will prevent a ad oister being deprived by his diocesan .of his living, without it could be shown that he etas guilty of heresy, immorality, or impiety. . The Archbishop of ARMAGH hoped their Lordships would suspend their judgment till he had an opportunity of writing to the Archbishop of Dublin respecting the complaint of the peti boners. The Archbishop of Dublin stated that he should have beer, manifestly guilty of a dereliction of duty if he had not acted in the way he did, however respectable the petitioner might be. The Right Rev. Prelate here read a•communica tion from the Right Rev. Prelhte justifying she course he had taken. It was in substance to the effect that the Rev. Air. Kyle had acted in opposition to the discipline of the Church, and adopted a course which he (the Archbishop of Dublin) did net approve of ; hence, in virtue of the authority vested in him, he bad caused the petitioner to be removed. He Acted in the matter with the best wishes for the interests and prosperity of the Church. He could not, with a safe conscience, have given his censent to the movement which was going forivard, and in which the Rev. Gentleman tank an active part. Such were the sentiments of the Right Rev. Prelate, which he had now pieced before the House. The Earl of GALLOWAY entirely agreed with the senti ments of the Noble Earl oho had introduced the petition, and if the allegations of the petition were true, he must conclude that the eonduct of the Archbishop of Dublin had been most reprehensible. The subject of evangelical alliance was one in which there was great difference of opinion among the best friends of the Chun h. If these attempts at union were to be put down, it would lead to very serious results. In a free country like this, such attempts toput down freedom of opinion shotild net be euceuraged.—( Hear, hear.) Lord REDESDALE should be sorry if the House should be of opinion that the Right Rev. Prelate had not acted pro perly in the matter. He, for one,- thought, that the Right Rev. Prelate had acted with great discretion, and ought to be supported in such a course. It was said, that with regard to all essential points of doctrine, there was no difference between the members of this evangelical alliance ; but to that he re plied, that many of these parties were avowedly against an es tablished church. It was not prudent for young members of the Church of England to be allied with them. 'I here was in many respects a greater similarity between the Church of Eng land and the Church of Rome than between the former and many Dissenters, yet would not the Bishops have a right to in terfere if the clergy of the Church of England united for reli gious purposes with the priests of the Church of Rome. Lord RODEN denied the statement that the doctrines of the Church elf England and the Protestant Dissenters differed more than those of that Churh anti the Church of Rome. After a few words tram the Duke of LEINSTER, in vin dication of the conduct of the Archbishop of Dublin, and froM several other Noble Lords, the subject dropped. • CUSTOMS' DUTIES BILL. The House then resolved itself -into Committee on this Bill. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY proceeded to read the schedule attached to the Bill. On the articles butter and (+ene being read, The Earl of 11 A RDWICKE moved that they be struck out. He moved this as an act of justice to many of the poorer classes. Butter and cheese were agricultural produce, wised in many instances by persons holtimg small plots of land, and by the removal of the duty they would suffer se verely. This was c•pecially the ease in Ireland, where .very many depended—if not altogether—at least in a great measure on the,. production t - tr ihota artielea—(lLaar, hear ) By the course they .were taking they would not lose a great deal of revenue, but those poor people would be made to suffer very much. In 1844, the duty on butter was 166,666/. ; in 1845, it was 247,6041 Yet this amount of duty they were about to sacrifice. They were also proposing to give up the duty on cheese, which in 1844, was 117.272/. ; and in 1845, 141,8181. The effects would be very mischievous, and therefore he would propose that they be struck out. The Earl of DALHOUSIE said the only obj. , ct in all the reouctions in the tariff was to supply the poorer classes with a full stipply of the necessaries of life. He believed the price of butter and cheese would be reduced to the consumers, but not, to such an.extent as to prove seriously injurious to the home producer, while the price wi old be reduced, and thus a geed e effected in as far as tl.e poorer classes were concerned He thought the importation, would take place when the home market would he effected in the least degree He considered that a duty of 20s. per cent. was too much to be levied on an article of so great a coosumption as butter, and of so much importance to the lower classes, and therefore proposed to re duce the amount of duty to ten shillings per cent. Lord STANLEY considered that either the Noble Earl was right or he was not. This reduction in duty would either re duce the price of butter or it would keep up the price, and the revenue would lo=e the amount they now received tor that ar ticle, which would have the effect of placing 127,000!. a year i the pockets of foteigners; and would not bestow a propor tionate benefit • n the classes at home. Earl DALHOL SlE—The Noble Earl who spoke before, and to whose statements he ailuded, said the reduction in duty woqilit not affect the price of the article to the amount of one farthing per cwt. Earl STAN H OPE—It was a farthing a pound. Earl DA L HOU I E—Thedifferenee is of no importance If however, there was rot a reductioo of prices, it could not be considered a matter of blame to the Government. for they had endeaveured to doso by proposing this reduction of duty. After a few words fie,m Lord STANLEY, their Lordships divided, when there appeared— For the omission of the words Against it Majority -17 On our re-admission into the gallery, we found The Duke of RICHMOND on his legs. speaking against the proposed alteration in the item of hops. He considered that the proposed alterations would materially affect the interests of the home grower. The reason why great quantities of hops had not been introduced into the country yet, was that it required three years to produce a rood crop; the home produce also had to pay the heavy excise duty of 17s. 9d., which the foreigner would not have to pay; it would therefore be placing them in unjust anti unfair competitlbn. The average produce of hops in Austria was 42.00 per acre, while it had been proved that the cost of cultivation was 25i. per acre. Now the cost of cul tivation in this country was 421. per acre, and he wanted to know how the British producer could compete with the foreigner under such circumstances as these?—( Hear, hear.) In Kent there were 250,000 acres of land devoted to the growing of hop-i, and the capital which had been invested in the cult.vation amounted to two millions sterling. Every sear an ad litional sum. amounting to upwards ~f 9u0,0110/., was invested in this land, and he believed 230,0 01 was for labour atm.•. Now lie wanted to know, whh these facts staring tio m in the face, how they could justly re duce the duty imposed on foreign hops for the protection of the British produce. —( Hear, hear. ) The Earl of DALHOUSIE said they could net rely upon such data as that give them by the hieble Duke, and he would there:ore pass over some of the Noble Duke's statements, anti come to the real question at once. Now, the nearest point from whence hi); could be brought tothis country was Belgium, and they could not be imported from that country under six per cent. When they arrived in England they would have to pay excise duties to the extent of 60 per cent. more then the British producer. Surely this, would be an ample protection to the hbp :Interest of this country.—( fle.r, hear.) At all events he was convinced they could not with any fairness carry pretec ion further than 8 , per cent.—( Hear, hear.) The Earl of WICKLOW said Government, in carrying out t h e free-trade principles, ought to repeal the malt tax. It a e peared to him that they wished to abolish every other dcty f ( ew tie :v r o ' rd he • from M hear. ) Lord 'ASIIRTON and Lord Coo bc t Ar l this.—( who were opposed to the change,' Earl tsTANHt)PE said, hip-grouting was a Very pre carious trade, and it Ought, therefore; be• well protected. The Noble Earl the President of the Board - of Trade had re-, ; marked that 69eree to nh ob w t a a s i pr h o n f e ec g ti n on su e p, n p ri li u e g s h in while' ur it w. old enable England ( he . r, ) ,Arelty•- • v ar. ""; Why, did the Noble, Earl khow a that r., thewer neverhop intradeade any y p K ent r,fi w t as a s p t. e h r e fe c e r t o jungle, d and that o. et iu about he thr )e y t ia ak r r sl p l u n p i e r et ri t, ce a s. L..il ( u H re e t a t r n , ttei l years was brought " a rn't-t extraordinary theory as an argument against the I of RIPON. observed that the Noble Earl had ad. PrPosed change. t I e T or i was, 7 1. RI (M 1 M ()ND emart.h)ree country, applied to sa i d ,t alinostevery trade in the couo Gov , rnme t extraordirary. though . the wi-h the thouoht n''' consoling themselves r• that they had piven tl ttihscetaiio,nhi..tesrcv,ll,hlle l was• to he pro- Earl FITZ WILLI.AhI get up a ery of give the rreople Y"f Poittatsthl7;d,threhe'd deiiffthrehltntriTththise, (Hear, hear.) He Noble Duke ini - ma that the malt-tax ought to be ab.ilis ' h quite egreed with his Noble F p r e n o n p d le t i b f at thnios v g . reer advanta ge vault be conferred upon the ceat of the duties upon malt. and .f their leirtis mva b . ' arY "ta m ! " a re wou.- prr teit him to say so, he contended that ro greater boon could co:Atwell upon the lauded inte res t. '1 he measure vilihihthebye wete tins discussing, although it was teetinicaly called the tariff, vas, in fact, the question of the repeal of the duty on corn.— (No, no.) All these matters were merely hubsidiary and contributory to that great - question. Very possibly the Government could not have introduced the one without intro dociiig the other. ile was sure his Noble Friend would agree with him that the question which they were then discussing was, whether they should allow foreign corn to be imported into this country free of duty, and he contended, that if they RECORD OFFICE. Mr. BULLER moved that a Select Committee be appointed to consider the propriety of establishing a General Record Office for England and Wales. The motion was econeed, and read from the Chair. After a few words from Mr. C. WYNN, PROTHEROE thoUght nothing could be wiser aan the object of the motion of his Hon. Friend, and he should willingly support it. It was highly desirable that a general public office for the pre.crvation and consultation of the records should he established. Mr C. WYNN explained, and wish td it to he generally understood that he had not the slightest wish to, check the . motion of his Hon. Friend, but it appeared to him that there were two concurrent objects in the proposition, .which could slot conveniently be carried out together. Mr. HAWES hoped that the Right Hon. Gentleman would agree with the general proposition for the record office, and that the motion of his Hon. Friend would not be opposed.. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would give his consent to the formation of the Committee proposed by the Hen. Member for Liskeard (Mr. Buller), hut there would he several points for them to decide on, and ho was very much afraid that the result of the inquiry would not be attend , el with the effects anticipated by the Hon Member. He sin cerely hoped, however, that the Committee would point out some adequate means to accomplish the objet of the motion. After a few words from Mr. Christie, Mr. Protheroa, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. C. BULLER wished to call the attention of the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer to the necessi y of con structing a public building sufficiently large to hold the future ncreased number of reports, as well as the present large quantity. He thought that the public would be better yetis ed if a commission were appointed to arrange and select the records, than if the inquiry were entrusted to a Committee of the House. The motion. was then put from the Chair, an agreed to without a division. • MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. - Messengers from the Lords brought up the following Bills, Which their Lordships had agreed to :—Arbroath and Forfar Railway Bill ; Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Pettycur and Perth Harbour Branches and Deviations) Bill; Great Grimsby Gas Bill; Leith Paving Bill ; Portsmouth Har bour Pier Bill ; Bromsgrove Improvement and Small Tenements Bill ; Manchester and Birmingham Railway Bill ; Caledonian and Dumbartonshire Junction Rail way B. 11; Great Grimsby and Sheffield Junction Rail way (Humber Ferries) Bill ; Liverpool Improvement Bill ; Newcastle-upon-Tyne Improvement Bill; Hamilton New Gas Bill, without Amendment ; Alford Valley Railway Bill ; Dundee and Arbroath Railway (Extensions) Bill; Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Newport Railway and St. An drew's Branch) Bill; Great North of Scotland (Eastern Extension) Bill; Lancashire and North Yorkshire Railway Bill ; Liverpool, Manchester, and N‘ wessile- upon-Tyne Junction Railway Bill , York and North ktdland Railway (Leeds Extension) Bill ; Birkenhead. Lancashire, and Cheshire Junctian Railway Bill ; Great North of England and Boroughbridge Branch Railway Bill; Great North of England and Bedale Branch Railway Bill, with an Amend ment ; Explosive Substances Bill ; Liverpool Sanatory Bill; Midland Railway (Erewash Valley Extension) Bill ; Dundee and Perth Railway Bill; • Burnley Improveme. t and Waterworks Bill ; Slamantan and florrowrtnuness Railway 8,11 ; North Staffordshire Railway (Churnet Valley Line) Bill ; Direct London and Portsmouth Railway Bill ; North Western Railway Bill; Boston, Stamford, and Bir mingham Railway (Stamford to Wisbeeh Lire) Bill ; Glas gow, Paisley, and Greenock Railway ( Harbour Branch) Bill ; Northumberland Docks Rill I Eastern Union Ilailixny (Arc ieigh to Colchester) Bill; Rye and D,rwent Drainage Bill, with Amendment,. That they have passed. a Bill, intitaled, " An Act for snaking a railway from the proposed Sheffield and Lincalnshire Janction Railway to the city of Lincoln." Alio, a Bill, i,tituled, " An Act for Carrying in•o effect an agreement respecting the Estates of the Corporation of the borough of Ludlow, and other estates vested in the said Corporation in trust, - either partly or in whole, for certain c! aritable uses, and for appropriating certain estates to the chatity hereinafter mentioned, and declaring the trusts thereof, and for ' , linking provision for payment of the debts of the saiil corpo ration, and other purposes. Also, a Bill, intituled, An. Act to incorporate the Gc.vernors end Managers al pointed wider the trust, disposition, and settlement of Robert P'nitp, of Zdenahead, decca-ed, and to explain and extend the pose a and provisions con ained in the :aid di.ed." TRADING IN SEDUCTICN. Mr. SPOONER then moved foi. leav , to bring in a Bill for the more effec'ual suppression of trading in seduction and prostitution, and for the better protection of females. .• Mr. HUME saw no hope of such a Bill passing the House, arid should oppose its introduction. Mr. SPOONER resumed, and said it would be then incums bent upon him to make a statement to the Hou-e. The Bill •was not his (Mr. Spooner's), but it emanated from the Society for theProteetion of Females, of which society the Archbishops, •Bishops, and several Islobleim-n and Gentletney wero i übsc r i ber s . •It was suzgosted by the Association that a Biil of the nature 'of that which he proposed, should be presented to the House ,by an independent Member of that House. He had been .applied to to present the Bill by that Association, and should :endeavour to promo'? their object. • An Hoe. Mearasa here moved that the House be counted, when there not being forty Members present, the House ad eurned at a Quarter pact Seven. HOUSE 11' toRDS, Tyne 2:3. Their Lordships met at ten mil.tre- to Five o'eeck. k Messengers from the House of Commons brought up several Bills. THE SEES OF ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR. - A NOBLE LORD presented a petition from Lincoln against the union of those two sees, and praying for the immediate ap pointment of a 13ishop for Manchester. The Bishop of EXETER presented several petitions to the same effect. The Hight Rev. Prelate also presented a peti tion from the magistrates and other inhabitants of Wolver hampton, praying their Lordships to pass some measure which will make it penal to carry on the trade of prostitution. H e was Very glad to find that an Hen. Member of th. other House of the Legislature had given notice of his intenti on to bring in a Bill to the same effect. SOUTri DEVON RAILWAY. Lord DEVON presented several petitions against this Project. LORDS HARDINGE AND GOUGH. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE wished to know what the intentions of her Majesty's Government were with respect to the Annuity Bills of Lords Harilinge and Gough. He thought that the time had come when the sulject should be taken into cons:deratton. The Earl of RIPON said tact, on Tces,!ay eveninv next, hr should move that the report be brought up, and the intentions of the Government would be announced. OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE RAILWAY. Earl BARD WICKE presented a petition from Mr. Frede rick Brown in favour of the Oxford and Comb - ridge Railway Bill ; and the petitioner requ -sted to withdraw th, petition presented • from him a few nights since against the line. The Noble Earl presented a petition from Aylesbury and other places in favour Of the railviai. in Lincolnshire, A petition from Spilsby , , was pm.,ente. against the Charitable Trusts Bill. SCOTTISH (RAILWAY) CONSOLI ATIONS. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from Mr. H. Adie, solicitor for one of the competing lines for connecting England with Scotland, stating that a notice had been served ' on him to deliver up the papers which had been enttuited to him in his capacity as solicitor, and for the possession Of which he was responsible. He prayed, therefore, that he mig , tt be protected, and rot be convicted of a contempt of their Lord. ships by withholding such papers. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that in his cha aeter of solicitor, he was perfectly ju•tilied in withholding the papers. Oct the motion of Lora 13ROUL4 II AM, the petition was re ferred •o the Committee. THE REV. AIR. SHORE AND THE BISHOP OF F_ X tt:TER. .Lord BROTIGHAAI then presented a petition from the Rev. was that time to Mr.. Shore, who had been for ten Years in o time he wait' conscieottously convtnced that ii leave the Chalet'. Plevisousiy, however, hrsi . asis ed if '7 ste • 1!. duty g the Church, he had been licensed to a certain chapel, meld, w „ :afterwards e• now. 4 by the Duke of Somerset ; havin g ob tained tisat license from the Bishop of Exeter, unoer the awl, city of a certain incuitibent, where he performed th e serviee • according to the rues of the Chinch of Eng and. After • wards, however, the living under which lie was licensed passed into a her hands, and Mr. Shore visit deprived .of that license, hue the chapel had then pas s ed • .alt of connexion with the Chad) of Ert ; land. Mr. Shore, who had in the meantime been converted to the orinciples of the Protestant Dissenters, and under the impre3sion that hit sionnexion with the Cnurch had ceased administered the Sacrament, under the auiliori yof the Teetreiti.en Act. Y.l 4 a d, e,,,erehete s s, been dealt with in the 4iritu il court as if lie weye still under the cogieiz :nee of the ecclesiastical law. This petition was rons the Leart.el Seigeant who c.diducted the case for Air. Store, an it com;ilain d that there was a dete ct in Om law, hick to In- re met ed. The Bishop of EXETER 11, , ma, I.tt ft w xeisaiks which he hal to offer to their Lordship. wilt the Statement that nothi.eg could have been rnere fair and sraight , f_?rward, or liberal. tha n th e con du c t of his ,tit bie Learn e d Frie n d. The facts were these :--Previous to the endowment of the chapel. he had received a c•einmunication from the Duke 9f Somerset, inquiring what was the smallest sum that would neeessarie to endow the chapel. He frid r plied that 100 /. or 1,5001. wouid be a sullititsw sum to justify hint in comet-rat lag the chapel thotlgh, of emirs.'., his Grace would not think of attaching so sma ll a s tipend to a chapel of that kind. TrtE SUN.LONDON,____WEDNESDAY EVLENING, JUNE 24, 146. were to have fetalrarleirinrn, they engirt so hate free trtsJe leeee - , I . r2;_•7ll('S`C 1.17%; r.rl that it caght 11:E.t, ' 3 he e fr . c, From or interference of the reeisemnn; Lord ASHBURTON said the Noble Earl who had just sat down, had said that this was but the part of that one great question, the repeal of the duty on the importation of foreign corn. It was certainly a past of the great question, " Shall we protect our native industry ?"—Hear, hear.) In that respect then, ' he agreed that this question was part of the question of free trade. The question for their consideration was whether they should protect the cultivation of their own land—whether their home industry should be protected as far as the cultivation of hops. After that, they would go into the question of shoes, boo . ts, and all the different articles of home manufacture. The question, as it had been laid before their Lordships by the Noble Earl opposite, and those who held the same opinions, was whether the manu facturers, &c., of foreign countries should be preferred to the labouring population of our own country. In that respect he agreed with the Noble Earl, that it was c-ne question only, and that was, what they caged free-trade. The Earl of RADNOR said, that the cultivation of hops was avo , . edly a gambling speculation. A very extensive hop-grower in the county of Kent had told him to about two years ago ; and he knew that it was the opinion amongst hop growers elsewhere, that that business was entirely a gambling speculation. bone year a man might realise by his hops several hundred round?, and in the next year he might be aitnost ruined. And, - with respect to the wages paid to the labouring classes in the hop-growing counties, le cot Id assure their Lordships, that so low 'were the wages paid to them, that they were in the most abject state of pauperism before the carrying out of the late Act 1, r the amendment of the poor-laws. The wages in those parts of the country were, on the average, loss than those paid in any other part of the kingdom. Earl STAN HOPE admitted that the duties on malt ought to be repealed, but he contended, at the same time, that the people of this country, from one extremity to the other, were of opinion that the Government ought at once to repeal the duties also on tee, coffee, soap, and all such necessary articles of do mestic consumption. The article was then agreed to without a division. On the article lace being read, Earl STANHOPE rose for the purpose of giving hisdecided objection to the reduction of the duty upon its importation, be. lieving, as he did, that of the- articles in the tariff this was un doubtedly the one on which the duty should not be repealed. The reduction of the duty on the article of lace would inter fere most unjustly with the poorer portion of the labouring classes of this country, and more especially those resident in the county of Buckingham. Into whatever cottage their Lord ships might enter in that county, they would find that the wives and children of the labouring classes were engaged in the manufacture of lace.' And what would be the consequences if their Lordships consented to repeat the duty on this article? The labouring classes of the people of Devonshire were largely employed in the manufacture of lace. The wages at present were as low as six shillings per week, and yet, low as that re muneration was, the Government proposed to deprive the poor people of it. In Buckinghamshire the wages per week allowed to a woman and one or two children', at resent, amounted to twelve shillings, and ore that remuneration the labouring classes in that part of the country chiefly depended for their livlihood. The proposal of her Majesty's Government, how ever, was that those poor people should be deprived of their present remnant of protection. If there was one article more than another on which the duty should not be repealed he con tended that that article was lace.—(Hear, hear.) He felt strongly upon this point, and he was determined to take the sense of the House upon the question. The Duke of RICHMOND—His Noble Friend had said most truly, that of all other articles included in the tariff, that of lace was pre-eminently the one on which the duty should not, for the protection of the interests Of the labouring people of Buckinghamshire, &c., be repealed. At the present moment the wives of the labouring classes of that part of the country were employed in their own cottages in the manufacture of lace, and their Children were instructed by them in everything pertaining to industry and morality.—(Hear, hear.) Those habits of industry enabled the families at present to purchase all the necessaries of life. Lace was an article of luxury, and not necessary for any one. But what would be the effect of this proposed repeal of the duty thereon on the children of these earties? They would be deprived of educe :is, clothing, and the comforts of life, which they now en joyed. But, of course, his Noble Friend was prepared to obey the orders of his bislem—Sir Robert Peel—(Laughter)—in . everything, and it could not be expected that he would be per suaded to withdraw his consent from any measures of the Pre mier. He (the Duke of Richmond) sheuld have the greatest satisfaction of voting with his Noble Friend. The Earl of DALHOUSIE said that it wculd have been more appropria' e, perhaps, if the Noble Duke bad termed Sir Robert Peel bis ( the Earl of Dalhousie's) moderator instead of bishop, as he happened to be a Presbyterian. But he denied that he fell. wed Sir Robert Peel in enything that did not appear to him (the Earl of Dalhousie) to be just and reason al.le.—( Hear, hear.) Those engaged in the manufacture of lace would not, in his opinion, be injured in the least by the passing of this measure. Lord STANLEY looked upon this measure not as one cal culated, in the opinion of her Majesty's Government, to benefit the people of t Lis country, but merely as a measure to fill the coffers of the revenue. That had been the effect of the measure of 1842, and he had no doubt that this Mil was ',sought forward with the expectation that similar results wont follow the passing of this measure. He did hope that the House would not consent to the proposed reduction. They were dealing with a matter which, if it might be one of indifference to the revenue, was not so by any means to the parties concerned, who were women and chil dren. And he would ask the House to deal in the same manner with this article as they bad done with regard to made-up goods. - Earl D ILHOITSIE hoped that the House would adopt the suggestion of the Noble Lord, and deal with lace as they had crone with made-up goods, and that would be by not agreeing to the amendment proposed, but by imposing a rate of ten per cent. ad vac rem. In his opinion Mr. Deacon Hume never went so fares to assert that 25 per cent. could give them the same amount of protection as 20 per cent. Lord STANLEY—Mr. Deacon Hume says that merchants and traders will be willing to pay the 25 per cent. sooner than run the risk of paying . 20 to the smuggler, and that the revenue will not suffer at the 25 per cent.—( Heir, hear.) Earl FITZ WILLIAM said that Mr. Deacon Hume never said that the same per centage of duty would secure them in every article. He was sure that Mr. Deacon Hume never said that such would be the effect with regard to bee.—(l-leer, hear.) It might be so with regard to some buiky article, such es co , n, but not in that of a lighter texture, such as that which they were at uresent discussing. He was very much connected with ree.,uniry wheio :La lace.trade existed. End_he considered that. there was no employment less conducive to the moral cul ture of the young than this very manufacture. The trade was not carried on in the houses of fathers and mothers, but in manufact-ries, _and it' also unfitted the women employed in it for any other kind of work. The Earl of GALLOWAY said it Vasa grievance in this country that parents were too apt to employ their children in such occupations as the lace manufactures from motives of cu pidity, and that at a time when those children should be at school. He was aware of many who, from being thus early employed, were totally ignorant of every other subject, acd were not even capable of Mending their own clothes.—(Hear, hear.) He wou:d therefore support the reduction. After a few words from Earl Stanhope, the Duke of Rich mond, and the Earl of Galloway, Strangers were ordered to withdraw. On our re-admission we fgund that the clause had been agreed to without any division. _ _ Earl STANHOPE rose to object to the reduction of two- pence per square yard on stained paper. Lord ASHBURTON said that these reductions were the mere pedantry of political economy. He would oppose the reduction on the ground that it would reduce the wages of the operative. The Earl of DALHOUSIE did not dispute that certain masters might take advantage of the reduction to diminish ages, but he denied that such would be the case with the paper stainers of the country generally. The item was then agreed to. SILK. On the reduction on silk being proposed, The Nike of RICHMOND regretted that their Lordships did not accede to the motion he made last night, that they should hear counsel at the bar relative to the effect of this re duction. He thought that the course then pursued was inju dicious. He would ask why counsel was not heard? Was there a fear entertained that the case would be too strong for them to resist ? He would ask what were the operatives to do when the reduction took place ? The Ea7l of GALLOWAY—Give them cheap provisions. Duke of RICHMOND—The Noble-Earl said 'give them cheap provisions ;" but if they had no employment and no wages, where would be the benefit of cheap provisions? The Earl of GALLOWAY—If all kinds of provisions were accessible to the working classes, in proportion to their means to purchase them, would the Noble Duke think that no be nefi‘ Duke of RICHMOND—That was the fallacy ofall recent proA • elvtea to the principles of free trade. He would now brie fly refer to the petition, and he re graied that he was s, emp oyed during the morning that he had not time to peruse it beforehand. The petitioners stated that a great mistake had been made with regard to the protection of 15 per cent. They also stated the argument as to smuggling. was either sheer folly or intentional de7usion.—( Hear, hear.) The gross annual value of silk goods manufactured in this country at, present was from two to three millions less than in 1824 —( Herr.) He would detain their Lord ships no further upon the subject, hut he thought when a large ela=s of the humble classes of this country esked to be heard against a reduction which affected their interests they ought to hare been heard. He thought that when another Government came into office, they would be obliged for the sake of the revenue, to put on seine of those duties which it was now pro posed to take off. He would in conclusion move that the item on silk be omitted. After a few words in explanation from the Earl of GAL LOWAY and the Duke of BUCCLEUCII, The Earl of DAL iOUSIE regretted that he felt himself called upon last night to oppose the motion of the Noble Duke, but his reason for doing so was because he considered it Would be 'establishing a precedent which on future occasions . would materially interfer with public bizsines. Flo did , not think, however, that petitioners suffered any loss from counsel on their behalf not having been heard at the bar, as the case had been ably advocated by the Noble Duke on the cross-benches. He would now refer to the duties on the article of silk. The mode of levying the duties on this article was a matter of extreme difficulty, arising from the varieties, and the very delicate differences which-prevailed in the manufactured articles. It was impossible to levy a duty ad tuba ens, for in that case it must have been necessary to have examined the separate parcels, so great was the variety. But that would have involved a loss of time to the officers employed and to those interested in the manu!acture ; and much more this practice would h-ive proved destructive to articles of so very delicate m anu f acture as some of them were. If, however, ,they levied the duty not ad valorem, but according to the weight of the article, that would have raised the objections so common •in interfering with commercial transactions, that they would be raising the highest duty on the heaviest article, although that article would generally be found the worst. It. had been attempted on that account to make a classification, and. to give the parties concerned the option of a duty ad valo rem, or according to weight. Since the year 1824 (the year in which a great change was made in this trade), it was found that the existing classification was become exceedingly unequal. Anew classification had therefore been made up ; silks and satins and ribbons were placed on tables by themselves, , tl h ic e , value of these separate articles was ascertainec When he stated different descriptions Of fabres, whether plain o i r , fi a g n u d re t d he d f uty t. on the average value. • that the duty had been these articles must, be of a higher value, and aware that some of pe d r cen imposed on the average valne, he was duty on them must be somewhat less than 15 I other Band that some .ut them of a lower per cent., and on t. - e hipper rate of duty than ,the 15 of these articles the merchant valve. must IleCessarilY ply a. per cent. But on the whole duty o f 15 Per Cont. These re will find that he has p wthaastfitheedreaftoriest he . d to the department ma Pln consequence of representations on nected, by the with which he (Earl- , Dalhousie) was c marks applied to bread to sl y s a ,iatins,' and silk g&rze and ribbons. • manufacturers of Co .entry and 1 the Member for ; the place, these parti e s had Been put in Communieatioi with the proper officers of th e d epartment. And Classifications an d modifica tions had b een - made, which he understood were quite satisfac tory t i the p art i es. IL, hearing counsel a t t h e tar (Earlwas conducted, and the exam i nation of an array of witnesses would not have led their Lorda l i o one til a Dt thealh o argument.usie 's ) hou e v for e r ably not nit nearer the point which ceempiedtbeirsaltention." Tire duties, - he raids must bo - frxed bytbe uitaa, the eeperienced officers, put in 4eominunication with those men praatireally engaged in the trade, and versed in its details • and, accordin g ly, t h e presen t c l a s s ification s a n d cal culations fa. fixing the duties hal been left to the officers and these parties. The duty fixed was 15s. per cwt. on the average value. If, however; the question before the House had been the general duty, he must remind them that that question had been before the House, and they had given their deliberate opi nion on it—an opinion contained- in • this Bill, and that was that 15• per cent should be levied on the average value. He would now come to the second point in the" petition, the past experience of the petitioners, that the legis lation for the last twenty years had produced an alteration in their trade, by givino an advantage to the foreign manufaca turer, and thereby bringing r u in upon the home trade. It would be in the recollection oft heir Lordships, that the language used by the petitioners was the same, as that made use of by those who opposed the progress of these measures, both in that House and in the other. • These were in the habit of saying that the effect of these measures wohid he, that the trade would be destroyed, the capital would be withdrawn, and the trade would en h h d is r q a u w e n st f i l o .o n m ? thelf tit, i ir f t e h l s y ei lgskiol trade oamdwrnll as. hda l l df o a aw d. :ief stopped, t t h h ei to ai i determine tf tahlehdtopwoirtt imports of the raw material had diminished, if the number a those employed in It. had decreased; ilia! these had taken place, the worst l,bri red propbecreshoafdthoecsecuprs-rretdi_es the raw material had increased, if the menu- I factures for the . home market had augmented, had rh ed hear)- true. El t a h t e ift i h imports of these of if the exports had increased, then these statements about the minions effects of this course were filse.—( Hear, hear.) He would show that it was so from the returns which had been 1114 cn their Lordships' table, frora the period since the conelusimi of the war up to 1844. He roust observe that the raw, ma-, terial was divided into three descriptions, the raw Material properly so called • the waste, the knubs and husks ; and the thrown silk. (The Noble Earl was about to quote frotathe re turns when he was interrupted by a remark across the table from Earl Stanhope.) The Noble Earl said he would attend to the points which had been alluded to. It had been said that in the returns on their Lordships' table the waste, knubs:, and husks and the thrown sillk had been combined in the amount given for the raw material. But he begged to observe that if by means of science they could now manufacture articles from that waste as good as they were able to manufacture in former years, be saw no reason why the waste should be excluded from the returns. But, in giving his quotation, he would take no account of the waste, knubs, and husks, or the thrown silk. The importations of the raw material for the ten years, from 1814 to 1823, amounted to 15,2a0,000 1b 5. I n t h e re turns for the years 1826 , 1 827; 1828,1829, an account of the waste, knubs, and husks had been included but he would make every reasonable allowance—iuch a deduction as must satisfy the - Noble Earl (Stanhope). He would take the amount given in these for the year preceding, and for that which followed those he had mentioned, and making his cal culation on such data, deduct accordingly. For the ten years, then, from 1824 to 1833, he found the gross amount given for raw material imported,- Waste being included, was 32,916,000 lbs. ; and making the deduction for waste and • thrown silk, there would be left 31,55.3,000 lbs. In 1824, the great change was made, which re moved entirely the prohibition on foreign manufactures. The increase for the next ten years was annually 1.521,000 lbs.i ie the next year 3,500,000.1b5., then 3,742,000 lbs., and from that it increased to 4,310,000 lbs., so that while in ten years it had so increased, could their Lordships, with that fact staring them in the face—could they, he repeated, believe the allega tion in the petition that the reduction in the duty had caused ruin to the silk trade by - the introdtiction of the foreign impert, when this great increase of the raw material had followed that reduction. In 'the year 1845, there was an in crease of the import of the raw material amounting to 200 per cent. over that of the import prior to the reduction of the duty. Such, then, had been the increase of the raw material as compared to the trade previously to 1824. Indeed, for two hundred years prior to that year there was not a system of high protection, but a moderate duty. With the increase of the import of the raw material, the Noble Lord had failed to prove that the reduction had been injurious to the trade. It was well known that the price of the article silk was a great restriction on the general use of the material. The reduction of the duty enabled the great mass of the people to wear silk dresses.—(" No," from Lord Stanley:) The Noble Lord would surely admit that all servant women now wore silk gowns—they wore them now the same as they wore cotton ones twenty years ago. This was a proof that the reduction of duty which had taken'place, did not injure the trade, but on the contrary had greatly served it. It was well known that the trade would very materially increase, but for the difficulty of a supply cf the raw material. The china market was now open to us, and from the supply of the raw -article from that country there was every expectation of the trade increasing. France was the great s ilk manufacturing country, an d was still able to outvie all other nations in the beauty of that tabrie, but he hoped that it would not be for long—had had 'an impartation of our manufactured article; and that spoke most favourably of the prospect of our trade.--( Hear, hear.) When their Lordships considered the allegations contained in the petition, which complained that the trade in silk had been destroyed, they would co well to remember that he had shown the import of the raw material .to be three-fold, and that, instead of the trade being injured, it was progressing. --(Hear.) He was of opinion that the petitioners bad failed to show that the trade had been destroyed, or even injured ever so slightly, by the change which had taken place. He had been told that the population of Spitalfields had materially decreased. He did not deny that fact. But it should be re membered that the reduction of the population there had taken place long before the reduction of the duty. This was occa sioned by.the Spitalfields Acts, which had pressed upon them long ago. Those Acts had been done away with, and deputa tions had often waited upon him (Earl Dalhousie), since he had the honour of being connected with the Government, for the purpose of having the law re-enacted.—(Hear, hear.) The Acts bound the employers to pay A certain price, and no more nor less, and bound the employed to take no less, and demand no more. This restriction upon the free exercise of labour caused the Spitalfields weavers to take their labour into other markets, where these Acts bad no effect, and thus it was the po pulation. of that place had decreased. They must not accept the amount of work done as any conclusive evidence of the rate of wages paid to the operatives. By the improvements in ma chinery, though as much might not be-paid for a given quantity of silk wove, it did not follow that there might not be more paid for the amount, of work done in the day than there was before. If. because there had been a reduction of wages paid to silk wearers they were to eone!od. , Out the trail,: cc as in a latiguithing and fading conditi on , th ey must cons id er the same of all other branches of hand-lonm .eaving ; for in every one of them a reduction had taken place.—( Hear, hear.) AlLkinds of hard loom _weaving Inul-baan_afLeted in _a similar manner. The report of the Commission appointed to inquire into the condition of the hand-loom weavers, proved that the distress an - 1 reduction of wages among that body did not arise from competition with foreign producers, but arose from competition between the weavers of this country.—( Hear, hear.) Hand-loom weaving was easily learned. They were generally employed at home, and assisted by their families, and the result of the competition among them was, that not only the silk trade but all other branches into which hand-loom weaving entered had been reduced in wages.—( Hear, hear.) The com petition of weavers with weavers was enormous, and that was the cause of the reduction in their wages. It was a case in which Parliament could not apply a remedy, at least not by the exclusion of foreign com petition. The Noble Lord here read an extract from the re. port of the Factory Inspectors of last year, to show that the condition of those engage d in the silk trade had greatly im proved, and that the demand for labour had been very great. In many instances a rise of wages bad taken place. He would only advert to one point more. It was said that all this im provement had taken place under the old system, and was no proof that the new one would work well. But he would in form their Lordships that they had been under the new sys tem for the last quarter of the year—that was, from the 16th of March. By a Treasury order, on the resolutions passing been il ks duty was free, take n the House of Co mmons, the various articles in the tariff had following would s h ow. The following return of manu factured and contrasted with th e i mports of the corresponding months Andfro what m was Custom the tom the result? hoas The in 1844 and 1845. In the four months of 1844, - the amount imported was in value 129,5001. ; in the four months of 1845, 12 7,0001. ; while in the four months since March 16, the amount was 158,000/.—(Hear, hear.) This showed that, compared with last year, a considerable in crease had taken place. Now, let them take the importation of raw silk during the same period :—in the four months of 1844 the quantity was 912,0001b5. ; in 1845, it was 1,617,0001 N. ; and in the four months just ending, the amount was 1,916,00011e5. ; thus showing an increase from 912,0001b5, to 1,916,0: Olbs., or an increase of 100 per cent. ; and a far greater increase than h a d taken place in the importation of manufactured silk. He would now speak of the effect of the measure on " throwsters," or those who were engaged in form ing twisted silk and thread out of the raw material. A reduc tion on foreign, thrown silk was made last year, and strong re monstrances were made at the time. In the same returns from which he had quoted, it appeared that from 1814 up to 1823, the amount imported on the average was 369, 0 001b5., while for 1834 to 1840, the average was 2:5,000, showing a reduction as compared with the former period.—( Hear, hear.) In 1844, the total amount of raw silk imported was four millions of pounds, while the whole thrown silk brought in was 410,0C01b5.. The propor tion of thrown silk to raw silk imported was, therefore, 10 per cent. Now, let them compare that proportion with what it was during the former period to which he referred, and they would find it formerly was 23 per cent.—( Hear, hear.) The relative quantites in 1844, 1845, and 1846 were, in the four months to which he had previously referred, as follows : Raw Silk, Thrown Silk. 1814 912,0001bs 135,0 - °lbs. 157,0001b5. 1846 1,906,0001bs ..136,0001b5. This shoived that the proportion of raw silk in 1846 to 1844, was 1,906,0001b5. to 912,0001bs.—an increase of 1,000 per cent., while the amount of thrown silk , had actually decreased.— ( Hear, hear,) With respect to the parties engaged in the silk trade, he would inform their Lordships that there never wa a time when there was greater prosperity or more full employment. —(Hear, hear.) ln Spitalfields itself there had been a great improvement, and the same had taken place throughout the country. A short time ago he heard that a meeting of the silk-weavers in Spitalfields had been held, and a resolution come to to solicit a rise of wages. A gentleman had informed him that the rise in wages had been solicited, and in many instances it had been acceded to. This showed that the trade was in a healthy and flourishing condition. He bad now tried to trace the progress of this trade, and he had endeavoured to show that the mea sures which were said to be based on such fatal- and mis chievous principles, bad operated quite otherwise; that they had stimulated industry—increased the demand for employ ment—extended the exports and enlarged the imports of the country—and had generally improved the circumstances of all parties concerned.—(Cheers, ) Lord STANLEY said, that after the speech lust delivered by the Noble Lord, no one could doubt but that anything could be proved by figures. The Noble Lord had; from his access to doCuments and figures, derived information which pro...treed an effect that he (Lord Stanley) was not surprised at, andwbich, in the absence of the case counsel would have presented on the other side, had that been permitted, he cer tainly did not hope to eittal in effect upon their Lordship. His Hon. Friend had not established his case. He had at tempted to prove a ground for this great reduction of duty, which they were now called upon to sanction. If his Hon. Friend had proved anything, 'it *as that the silk trade at the present moment was in a good condition —that the imports and (Imes of silk were largely increasing. But if his Hon. Friend .was going on to prove thm the present prosperity was owing to the great alteration e which h a d t a k en p l ace i n consequence of the principle (if tree trade, lie was wrong. Admi tt i ng, how • ever, the fact of our being so , prosperous, and that this enormous importation was now taking place, his Honourable Friend went on to say that they should interfere with all this, and reduce the duties on the manufactured article, trust ing that he would not injure the producers of this country by competition. First of all, - lie differed from his Noble Friend as to the facts he had stated. He differed from the facts he had adduced with regard to the prosperity of the silk trade in 1824, and he differed from him, more especially as to any facts he- had prov e d, f or h e h a d proved nothing.: The effect of which he had spoken was not produced by the dimi nution of the duty on the raw article, for if they took off the duty on the raw article they would see afterwards that a con siderable increase had taken place in the consumption of that article. He was not surprised that, after the year 1824, a con siderable increase had taken place in the consumption of the raw material in this county, but the increase did not take place at the time, crim the:manner, Cr the exteent, to which tis Noble Friend had alluded in his speech. His Noble Friend was extremely ingenicus in the statement which he had made. to the Hbuse ; • and, by any one who did not look at the facts before them, he was quite sure that his Noble Friend's statement would have been accepted as conclusive. He would not trouble the House with figures, but if they looked at the immense improvement which had taken place in the decennial period before the year 1823, they would find that the average iniporiation anieunted to 1,520,000 ibs. weight; and in the single year 1844 they imported 4,021,000 . _lbs. It sounded. veryw e ll f rom hi s Noble Friend, whom he .hoped to have seen there to.hear his'expression. - He would not go to decennial .periods,' but to more conclusive arguments. By the progress made by the•silk trade, both before the altera .teaakyreesnarlpslllBas273,luaB7;iol tion was made in the law and afterwards, he thought that he threerieiad the 3 could induce them to admit that the free-trade measure had not been of any benefit. He would take the amount of silk Biti . the i mportedT The consumptiontahvee ten ra g average "; anwr which hi b ee e h f to co mpare p eLy r e e h a i e r t snoke with regard to the • raw material—way 1,388,0001 b% The average in the years 1818, 1819, 1820, was 1,844,00011)s., and the average in 1821, 1822, 1823, was 2,32 5,0001b5. In 1824 was produced 3,884,0001b5. Now, before the principle of free trade came' tato operation, the increase frcm the 3 ear 1815 to-1824 (a decennial period which his Noble Friend found it CoveniCnt take) itas from 10„. . ~. to 3,684,000ib 5. on 03'&.81b -,. .the taW - material alone. The duty was 'educed in March, 1 1824, and in 1824 the importation amounted to 3,884,000 lb s; The increase in the three triennial periods, from 1815 to 1823, was:en inereate of One million on the raw material. Now let them go to a period beyond that, and ascertain the imports- of raw '_ In • tile.. year 1822, ~the „ raw ma t erial amounted to 3,880,0001 b/, showing, as he had said, an isle-ease of a million. His Noble Friend did not like par eent3gty tinri the -absence 'of it would make his case the stronger, for he could roundly state that there had only been an increase of one million in six years. In the year 1824, there, was introduced into the country 3,800;000 lbs., and in the year 1844 were introduced 4,400,000 lbs.—( Hear, near.) The increase went on at a much greater rate before the introduction of Mr. Huskisson's measure then it did n for while the increase before its introduction was 1,000,090 lbs. in six years, the increase since it had passed was Only 800,000 lbs. in the last twenty years. The duty was taken off the raw material in 1824, and the duty was afterwards token off the finished material. The Bengal and waste silks were mixed up in equal quantities, and were made up in articles of the value of of 7s. 6d. per lb. Bengal silk cost 20s. per lb., and Italian silk cost 475. per lb. He mentioned that it was not a matter of indifference whether the increase had been in the best sorts of silk or in the knubs and husks. The export trade in silk was not an increasing trade, for in the year -1826 the exports were £290,000 1831 1846 But it might be said, take the case of a single year. Ile would do so. In the year -1840 the exhorts were £792,000 1839 1838 1836 ... 917,000 • 1835 973,000 Of the quantity of goods sent to France, a great quantity was formed of these knubs and wastes. From the year 1844 to the year 1815, 159,0001b5. had been exported ; of these, 93,000 re presented 215,0001b5. twist and yarn made up of knubs and husks ; and the value of these articles was only 7s. per pound. He was satisfied that the greater part of the exports to France was made from this Bengal silk, mixed up with these knobs and husks. He followed his Noble Friend through the exports and imports of these articles. His Noble Friend bad stated a reason for the stagnation of the silk trade from a paper which he held in his hand (Dutant's Circular). On the Ist of January, 1846, the stock on hand was 15,715 bales, while in most previous ys ars it had not amounted to more than 12,000 to 13,000.—(Hear, hear.) His Noble Friend had not upon that occasion ventured to put forward the question of smuggling. He had not urged upon them the necessity of preventing smuggling ; but upon a former occasion he did state that it appeared from the return of the French Custom-houses there wasa larger amount of goods shipped for Engllnd than paid duty here. Now, he (Lord Stanley) did not deny there was a great deal of smuggling carried on bete een this counts y and France, but he believed that of all articles, there was less smuggling by way of running goods in silk than any other article.— ( Hear, hear.) And what smuggling did take place in that article was carried on through the connivance cf their own Custom-house officers. He l:eld in his hand a return of the number of persons convicted for smuggling. The total num ber convicted was 755, and of that number 511 were for smug gling tobacco, 171 for smuggling spirits, 11 for smuggling tea, and only ten persons for smuggling silk.—( Hear, hear.) Since the last time they debated this subject, he had looked into Mr. Deacon Hume's evidence of 1835, and he found that gentle man recommended 30 per cent. as the maximum duty for protection to- the silk trade, and 25 per cent. as an increase duty to guard against smuggling. Therefore, he said that, as far as smuggling was concerned, there was no case made out for the further reduction in the duty. It had been represented to him that the proposed duty, instead of being as it was repre sented a duty of fifteen per cent., would be a duty of seven per cent. on some goods, eight per cent. on others, and nine per cent. on others. This arose from the duty being levied according to the weight, and not upon the value of the goofs. Now, he could see no reason for departing from the old anti usual mode of classifying silks; and to show what result the change had produced, he might mention, that twenty-four pieces of figured silks had passed thfough the custom-house that morning, which, under the old classification would have produced 251. 10s. at a duty of ten per cent., while, under the present system of levying the duty according to weight, they had only paid 12/. 10s. It was proposed to levy the duty on ribbons in the same manner, but on a representation of its injustice and impolicy being made to the Board of Trade by the Hon. Mr. Ellice, and the ribbon manufactories of Coventry, the old classification was adopted; and he could not see wh} the same should not be done with regard to silk.— (Hear, hear.) He was not competent to enter into these details, or to explain the minutia) of the silk trade, but it must be plain to their Lordships, and to every man of common sense, that there would be a manifest injustice committed in proportion to the applicaticn of these duties on articles vary ing in amount from 501. to 1001. per cent., or charged with mate duty ; and when, for the first time, this reduction took place, notwithstanding the principles which their Lordships had always hitherto recognised.—( hear, hear.) Well, now, he had not the means, undoubtedly, of satisfy ing their Lordships that his Noble. Friend, who, no doubt, tirposect that has address was a most triumphant one, was mistaken in his statements as to the silk trade of this this country, but his arguments with reference to the wages and employment of people concerned in that trade were erro neous. This he (Lord Stanley) knew, that front 1826 to 1632, there was, as appeared by the evidence of Mr. Groat, who was examined before a Committee of the House of Commons in 1832, a large and progressive ,decrease in the number of spindles and people employed in the silk trade—there was a large increase in the number of mills standing still. He ( Lord Stanley) had not the documents to refer to, but the accounts which he.had received from private individuals was very much at variance with the statements made by his Noble Friend who had lately addressed them. Now he would beg their - Lordships to recollect that there was one articie in the silk trade in which there had been an important falling off in the wages of the la bourers engaged in that trade, and that one article was the article of figured velvets, upon which the highest protecting duty to this day was I/. 7s. ad., he believed, but by this mea sure the Gevernment proposed to reduce the amount to 9s. per lb.—( Hear, hear.) They were going to reduce that duty which, according to Mr. Deacon Hume, was only 301. per cent. in the year 1824. The effect of their present proposal would be to reduce it two-thirds. Notwithstanding the statements of his Noble Friend, as to the prosperous state of the silk trade, he (Lord Stanley) had learned that net only in Spitalfields, but in Macclesfield, and in other parts of the country, the silk trade was in a declining state.—( Hear, hear.) He could only state the evidence of private individuals on this subject, but the Noble Lord had only offered them similar evi dence in support of this measure.—(Hear, hear.) He should certainly be surprised to hear his Noble Friend say that there had not been a decrease in the manufacture of plain silks, and the wages of the people employ e d i n th e manu f acture of them. The wages he had lately heard, had decreased in London from is. 4d. and Is. 2d., to Is. per day. He had been assured by the most eminent si;k-merchants, that their trade was gradually declining since the introduction of what were called the principles of free-trade. —(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord concluded by saying that this measure was, iu his opinion, not called for by policy or wisdom, nor justified by the arguments which had been adduced by his Noble Friend, and he would only add, as a very inferior, bet not altogether unimportant consideration, that the effect of this measure would be still. to reduce the revenue derived from our imports, by reducing the duty one half of what it was at the present moment, and by which we realised about 332,0001—(Cheers.) Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— For the amendment Against it Majority The item was then ordered to stand part of the Bill. The House then resumed, and the Bill was reported with. out amendments. 50 It was then agreed, on the motion of the Duk, of WEL- LINGTON, that the Bill should be read a third time on Thursday next. Their Lordships then adjourned, at a Quarter past Twelve. 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Solomons, Opticians, are not In any way connected with a person of the same name in the immediate neigh bourhood. lo prevent mistakes, be cautious and observe, only to be had at 39, Albe mar:e-street, opposite lime York COLLISIONS AT SEA.—It appears Iron), en official document just presented to Parliament, that there were last year 454 collisions Of vessels at era, and in the present year, to the 12th of 3lay last, the number was 130. THE BA.KERs AND TILE CORN-LAwS.—The bakers of bread have run their stocks of flour so fine that it was difficult to obtain bread in some of the villages in this county at the beginning of laSt week. Even in Liverpool some of them are so completely out of stock as to require that the flour bought by them shall Wawa home th• same aftvritoon for iturnodAte um—Ltrerroo? Timm. . . _ . • . __,. . . • - -- . - -- i . PARLIAMENTA RY - BUSINESS. " Mote? L3-Mr. F.Taneis, oF ti-, -, ' P %Away Caron'ic';l6, k -e ta , ...... (Prom the. I . 6tes aid Proceedings of the Rause of Commons. ) ' seconded by Mr. Adams, fear ' Bradshaw's itailsv (. a.ah I. • TUESDAY, JUNE 23. , " That Arr. Thomas Beard of the ' Morning herald', Mr. The fialoWing Railway Bill *as withdrawn:— ' Henry Collinson of the ' Chronicle', and the *president er .manehester atid.Leeds and Loot a mat Bradford Railways Anial• iiein secretary for the rimeg of •I Tie j•jovin chi' society 'of news- f.ramaticin: - • . . paper. proprietors, be appointed inspectors or trustees of - '- : : . STANDING 'ORDERS' COMMiTTEE. the affa• -I , ' Yr G-sl - iii 'ine that he do . execute the necee- Thefollowing resolutions were', reported from this - Committee:— or :, ''' '` L ' "'' , ' ' 1. That,in the ease of the ArgTH:Canal.llllL•aniendments on third v,..? , deed 61' inspectorship or as--zignment to enable them to o rending, the amendments are .of such. armature as ought not to be col eat in -th-a-debis 'clue to him tar the equal L.euetit ath adopted at that stage .' *: --- •. "' :. -• ,. -•-- : -7 -y • creditors. • - -•-- •,- 2. That, • in" the -ease of the: atnirshire..ltouili:Bßl, 7 arnentlarent on " Pat -sed unanimously. . • third reading, the aanenduieht is of such a'nft,t.tfteras akay• - be.atb3Ptcd,l " Moved •by --•Mr. Collins., u , of the ‘- AlOrning Chranicle , ' if the llouse shall think.flt."=;-Repoii. tell ci . oti the a ka ... - • and seconded by. Mr. Chap:non of the ' Globe'— " That in o r de r to give effect to the proceedings' of this ' day, the presetit meeting reaommend to all Mr. Gaskill'a cre ditors to abstain-from taking any legal proceedings whatever against him. - . . ...., _ .. " Passed unanimously. . " Aloved by Mr. Sowler, of the ' Manchester Courier,' se conded by Mr. Tothlim.•On of the' Atlas'— - . . " That the best thanks of this meeting are due and are • hereby given to Mr. Chapman, for undertakhig to withdraw. the attachment- issued on behalf of the - proprietors of the ' Globe.' PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS (From the Vote. 9 and Proceedings of the House or Coaanoni ) TUESDfI, .1 L.7,N E 23. GLASGOW, DUMFRIES, AND CARLISLE RAILWAY 1 ILL. Order, read for resuming adjourned debate,." That the report be taken Into farther consideration u; on this day six months :"—Ques-' lion again proposed; debate restunq : Question put. The Rouse divided : mixonrry—AYES, 100. AnAon, Colonel Gordon, Ilon: Capt. Marjoribank•:, '•;. Gore, Nloottro. . . Marshall, W. A iambus, Edmund • t - „ „ Artaahn u tt, H. - Gr:mhy, .1i arqUis of :Martin, job., Masterman, .1. Isainie, H. J. t.irogan, Ea ward .1111tola:ViSCOM t t Pelt, M atthew Halsey, T. P. Bet esi:ad, Niajor H a milt on , J. 11. Moffatt, George Berkeley. H. F. Hamilton, Lord C. Morriz , on, James illaeltburne, J. L • Heathcote, G. J. Newport, Viset. Blackstone, W. It Hinde, J. H. Ogle, S. C.' . odkin, W. H. Hindley Charles Pakington J , J. S. Borthwiek. Peter Bowes, . Hodpon, F. • l'arker, John Johil ItotLcson, Piehani Plomptre,‘J. P. • Bratruston, I'. IV. ..- Horsmar., H . Pollingion Vis'coun' nurroug - ne.s, H. N Houlds worth IT. Powcll, Culet , Chandos, Maril• of Howard; C'' W: RIC/lards, ltiebard Chapman, B. • ltudsou , -. G... . Clayton, H. H. Hughes, W: B. Round, John Colebrooke, Sir T. lltimphery Rutherford, A. Aid I.:c u - Collett, W. It. ilits`e 3", T i Sheppard, T. homas . Shep ,lt. Colgulionn, .Tolin Inglis, 'sir 'I:. - Smith, Abel Cripps, William • . Irtott,:Saropel , z ~_•, ~.. s mo n ett. A lexande liouglai, Sir H. JOlintone, Hope .' , Stanley, E. Douglas, Sir C. ' Jones, Captain ' . Stewm t, P. M. Douglas, J. H. S. Kirk;Peter • - Thornhill, G. Drummond, 11. Knight, F. W. Trollope J Duke, Sir J. Lockhai t, A. E. Trotter, John Damon - Me, Thomas Lockhart, W. - Vernon, G. Buncombe, A. Long, Walter - • . Ward, H. G. East, J. B. Lowther Colonel Williams,.W, Ellce, Edward Mackenzie,-T. Wyndham, J. IL Liphiustone, Sir 11. . Mackenzie, W. F. . ~ , - Escott, Bickham Macnamara, Mayo' TEtirais. Fellowes, E. Maher, N. ' • Hanle, Fox Ferguson, Sir R. . Mangles, R. D. Hawes, Benj. Fitzroy, Lord C. Manners, Lord C. " (;.trneN Irtri J. GARNETT, Chairrutn. air, it tvas moved by Mr. Bridgetord, ci kit te ett::: : tcv^ deli li, : azzail r !s;j1117„ tire G:4r- chsir. " The _meeting then se that it t; as to be Pain t: trm,t No deed of_ er :dorstanding •etion of the t'thc nr. Ca cth wns ever exceute4 by • ----- 31;tion passed at thkt . evexecht ed. 'The meetir •e^, MAJORITY— NOE S, 166, .. • Aeland, Sir T. Ellice, Bt. Hon. E. Norreys, Sir D. A'Court, Captain Ellis, Wynn .O'Brien, T. Aglionby, H. A. Entwisle, W.. . Ord, W. Ainsworth, Peter Estcourt, T. G. Oswald, Alexander Aldam, William Evans, Sir De Lacy Oswald, James Alexander, N. Evans, William Parke, C. W. Arkwright, 9. Fitzmaurice, W. Palmerston, Via. Armstrong, Sir A. Forster, Matthew Pattison, J. .Arundel, Earl of Fox, S. L. Peel, Jonathan Austen, Colonel Frewen, C. H. Pendarves, Edward Bonne, W. Gardner, J. D. Philips, Mark Bailie, Walter Gibson, Thomas M. PhiliPotts, John Bannerman, A. Gill, Thomas liumridge, Captain Baring, F. T. Gregory, W r . 11. Polhill, Frederick . Barnard,•Edwatd G. Guest, Sir John ' Power, James Bentinck, Lord G. Hall, Slr Benjamin -Bastileigh, W. Bentlnck, Lord H. ' Hall, Colonel Redington, T. N. Berkeley, Craven Hamilton, G. A. Reid, Colonel Blake, M. J. Harmer, Sir J. P.oss, I). - R. Bowles, Admiral Harcourt, G. Scott, Frauds Bovvring, 1/r. Heatheoat, John Shelbanie, Earl of Loyd, JohnShirley - ,Henley, J. W. - Shirly E. P. Bradshaw, James Herbert, Sidney Somerset, Lord G. itridgernan, Hewitt Hobhouae, Sir J. *Sonterton, Viscount Bright, John Holloud, Robert - Spry, Sir S. . Broadwood, H. Holmes, W. A'Court • Stansfleld, W. R. C. brace, Lord E. Ifernby, John Stewah, John '• ittogOs, W. 11. Howard, P. 11. Stuart, Lord J. Buckley, Edmund H ume, Joseph Stuart, V. • Buller, Edward' Ingestre, Visct. Stuart, J. Buller, Sir J. F. James, William - Strutt, Edward Burrell Sir C. • Jerinyn, Earl Tancred, H. W. Busfeild, W. • Jocelyn, Visconn Thornely• - , T. Callaghan, D. Johnson, General Tower, C. Cavendialt;(l. H. Labouchere, Henry Towncley, John Campbell, Sir H. Langston, J. H. Trelawnv, .T. S. ehicheater, Lord J. Laseelles, E. : Trevor, J. B. Christie, W. I). Lascelles, IV. S. Turner, Edmund ChriStophet, It. Lenfon, Sir Charles Vane, Lord I 1: Clay, Sir W. - - - Lennox, Lord G. H. Vesey,.T. Clements, Viscount Lindsay, Captain Villiers, Viscount Cobden, E. Loch, James Vivian, J. E. Collins, William Lygon, Gen. Waddington, 11. S. Connolly, Col. 31.Carthy, Alexander Wall, C. B. Corbally, M. E. M`Taggart, Sir J. Warburton, H. Curteis, H. B. !Mahon, Viscount Waivn, J T. Dalmeny, Lord Maitland, T. White, Samuel Dalrymple, Captain Marsland, Henry Wilde, Sir Thomas Denison, E. B. Mitcalfe, H. ' Wodehouse, E. Dennistoun, J. Mitchell, T. A. Wortley, J. S. Dickinson, F. F. 3ioiesworth, Sir W. Wyse, Thomas Divett, E. Morris, David Yorke, Henry R. Duncan, George Mostyn, E. M. L. Dundas, Admiral Napier, Sir C. TELLEII3, Dundas, F. Newry, Viscount Bouverie, Edward P. 1/u Pre, C 0 • Nichol!, J. Ewart, William Ebrington, Viscount Norreys, Lord BANKRUPTCY COURT. (YESTERDAY). (Before Mr. Commissioner EvANs.) EX PARTE BARRY IN RE L. T. OASKILL. The sitting in this case was for the purpose of contesting • the validity of a fiat in bankruptcy issued by Mr. Barry, the • proprietor of the Shipping and Mercantile- Gazette, the Jour nal of Commerce, and the Railway Courier, against Mr. Gaskill, the advertising agent of Moergate-street, on a debt of 9131., for advertisements inserted in those papers.. The in vestigation appeared to cause great interest among the mem bers of the press, and several of the proprietors and repre sentatives of the metropolitan — daily patina's were present. The chief point at issue was, whether an advertising agent was a trader within the nieaning,of thq 'r abrupt Mr.Croe;•of the .tirrn of Vanderenyni;Uree; and Co.,attended for Mr. Barry • and Mr. E. James, assisted by Mr. Ashurst, appeared for 11r. Gaskill. . The prueeedings were opened by the calllztg of witnuses"to prove the alleged trading. Mr. J. Jeayes, v 1,11; to Mr. Gaskill, deplied to the fact of Isis employer being en advertisement :agent, and recczving advertisements from public companies, auctioneers,And tither _personssibr insertion in the various newspapers. - :Mr. Gaskill did not purchase newspapers with the object of selling them 'again. lie was not aware that Mr. Gaskill was one of the proprietors of the .Rail roly Mail. Mr. Gaskill ditcontinited his business about the time the railway panic came on. It was known very well where Mr. Gaskill was to be found. Mr. Dobie was acting at solicitor to the general body of cre ditors, and Mr. Barry was quite 'aware of that, a circular .9u the subjtet being sent to.him. Mr. Ga.skill never - received - orders from any. orthe CoMpanies for any. quantity of news , - papers—at all events he never executed. auy. ..! Mr. JA . m.es said he bad no questions to ask this 'witness: Mr. Alexander Dobie, of 2, Lancaster-place, * Strand, sOli citor, was next examined—He said he had knoitn Mr. Gas kill fur ten - years and upwards. At the end of Xovember last he was consulted by Mr. Gaskill on the state of his :affairs. At that- time he (Mr. Dobie) could not say that Mr. Gaskill was . unable to meet the claims of his creditors, be cause there were some thousands due to him beyond 'what lie owed, all of which he believed tube perfectly good. -He (Mr. Dobie) convened a meeting .of Mr. - GasKill's creditors . in January.last, at which he (Mr. Dobie) made a verbal state ment on the condition of that gentleman's affairs. At that meeting certain resolutionS were passed which' were embo died in a report of the proceedings. The following. circular was then put in and received in the ordinary form of evi dence : " At a meeting of the creditors of Meszirs...Gaskill and C 0.., advertising agents, 54, Moorgate-street. Cit y , h e ld a t. ' the Crown and Anchor Tavern, on Wednesday, the 21st Jan., 1846, at 12 . o'clock precisely, pursuant to a circular letter of the 16th inst., of which the following is a copy:— " Sir,—ln consequence of being unable to collect the large sums of money due to me by various railway companies for advertising in your paper and in others, -.and altogether amounting to a sum exceeding very considerably my liabi lities. I placed the accounts in the hands dAlciander Dobie, Esq., solicitor, 2, Lancaster-place, Strand, in order to effect a settlement; and finding from .him that it will require more time to do so than I expected, I have respectfully to request the favour of your attendance on Wednesday next, the 21st instant, at 11 for 12 precisely, at the Crown and Anchor Ta vern, in the Strand, when a statement will be submitted to you for your information, and to take your instructions what, under the circumstances, is the best to be done for the in terest of all parties. . . - - " I remain, sir, your meat obedient, ." L. T. GASEILL." " 54, Moorgate-street, City, Jan. 16, 1846." "The circular letter of the 16th of January, above referred to, having been read by Mr. Dubie, the solicitor of Messrs. Gaskill and Co., he then stated to the meeting that on the 29th of November last, Mr. Gaskill placed in his hands a num ber of accounts against various railway companies for adver tising them in the newspapers and other journals, amounting to the suni of 17,9791. 135., and at the same time they handed him a list of their liabilities, amounting to the sum of 1.3,108/. 16s. Id:, with instructions to use every means in his power to collect the sums due, and to pay the same *hen received amongst these having claims upon them. That ap plication was immediately made to the several companies, and arrangements have been come to whereby there is every rea son to believemore than sufficient will, ere long, be received to pay every creditor his full demand, and leave a considerable surplus.- That the carrying of these arrangements into ex ecution has been and. is greatly retarded by attachments froin the Lord Mayor's Court, which have been issued by the . following journals, namely,—' The Sun,' the ' Shipping and Mercantile Gazette,' the ' Globe,' 'and the 'Railway Ex press;' and the serving of the same upon the secretaries of most of the railway companies indebted to Mr. Gaskill, and which has afforded and still nftbrds them an excuse for not coming to a settlement until the attachments are withdrawn. That it was and is Mr. Gaskill's determination not to inter fere with the receipt of the sums due, but that the same should be paid to his solicitor for the purpose of being equally divided. And lastly, it was stated that in a few months there was every reason to hope more than enough would be pay every one without having re be co s u a r: e e d t , o a l got P oceedingi, legal - r --• to whereby much expense would Garnett eCtt°,llin"' of and delays of the law avoided. • • and the difficulties e O , a Mr. Jeremiah j m er o e t m ion iah of woprietor o e f ‘ th li e ° ' ll2 M ilig aneh al eZr th nic ‘ i Guardian, was unanimousl called sentativea of the followia 1 y ed to the chair, the re re Herald,' „rh The li..iewgpapers being present :7-41"he Post," The Mornin , iorning Chronicle,' . The MorniUg Globe,' '‘The Sun' g iclvertiser,' 'Th t , standard," . lite, , ' 'Railway • ' 'Railway Chronicle, Times, -' il ' Ilerepath's Journal, . `Railway Record,' Bradshaw s way Gazette,' ' Railwa Director, Railway —trector, Mini m g , m • • Journal, t a bs Era; `Bell's w ee k' • y Messenger,' 'Atlas," t a gash Gentle man,'Lo don et , ' British and Foreign Railway Review , ' ‘.- standard cantile Journal,' 'Railway World," Railway a ard'nn " • Manchester ' Railw Express " M , andiester u-- - i Re'gister ' , 'Bath Courier,'_' Bristol Mercury,' `Edinburgh,an g l i.Tournal," Binning. Herald,' ' Bristol Mirror," B i irin : " Pitot," Cheltenham EXik ham Advertiser,' Birming ! A_ll eds Intelligencer " Leeds miner," Ira Aticertisier,:_esl.ov,, 'Stockport Advertiser ' `Mercury,' `Not tingbat ; I:. i , Sheffield Iris," Sussex Agricui ' Staffordshire Mercury, Herald,', r ' Worcester nio 11 orcester Guardian,' tural Expres' . . .. &c. &c. '' Upon bearing the foregoing statement, and a l so some ob servations by Al; r Gapliill and by several o f the creditors present, and Mr. Gaskill ha vi ng expressed hi s p er f ect willing ness to execute a deed of assignment, or any other instru ment which - might be found necessary or desirable for the benefit of his creditors, and Mr. Chapman, on behalf of him self and the other proprietors of the ' Globe ' newspaper, having undertaken to withdraw the attachments issued on their behalf; ,‘ It was moved by Mr. Hughes, of the Birrningharn,Ad vertiser, and seconded by Mr. Sowler, of the ' Manchester Courier,' "That it is the unanimous opinion of this meeting, that the continuance of the attachments by The Sun,' the 'Shipping and Mercantile Gazette,' and the Railway Ex press, will be exceedingly injurious to the interests of the general body of creditors, and that the proprietors of those journals be requested to withdraw them immediately ; in which case Mr. Dobie is hereby :authorised to pay any ex penses necessarily incurred in issuing and withdra ing such attachments." " Passed unapjamaT, x , - ! ) T g. A esrau - ght WaS p reition•for this coursci general body of. creditor,: a Gaskill (and which was what was right and fair. I avoid the c:xpo that the onself reposed in Mr. ,ed), that he Wotild do ._...,letOre:thourelit - hest to - expense, as it would be of no benefit to the estate, intksuutch as it would have compelled him (Mr. Dobi e ) t o go to or correspond with the third trustee, Mr. Ridge, who lived at Sheffield, upon every question affecting the arrange ment of the accounts. In point of fact, Mr. Collicsonand Mr. Rod en ( w h o t oo k the place ef Mr. Beard), did act as trustees for Mr. Ge.skill's estate. He -meant by that that he eousulted,those two gentlemen on all occasions, but the deed was. considered abandoned. Gaekili, sincx his effairs had Passed into his (Mr. Dobie's) handS, hati-been residing at Liverpool, where ne could hays been :nand if necessary: lie had never -absented hitneelf to evoid his creditors, to his (Mr. Dobie's) kno w l e d ge. • ' Mr. J A mk evideuce,a:d—shlalcol nthteen;(l4,o. ~ •o tze r r al.l . !o nt oo ur r e , , ,,,t r h y a e t n lt y h ee r r e o - s ..ei s n m o . amination of Mr. D o bi e till , we see Whotltir s• there is at er. eRt r_ intheeve.e shall not Le eble to finish to-day, your Honour. There are o th er witn esseswish to examine, whom at present we have not been able to find. Mr. Commissioner El-axe —Other witeesaes as to trading? Mr. Cl u —Yes, sir. The next witness examined was Robert Shelton MlCenzie. .He stated-that he had been acquainted with Mr. Gaskill for nearly thirteen years. During the greater part of that time Mr: Gaskill had been connected well the press, and for the last fifteen months had carried on the- business of an adver tipementagont in Loudon and Liverpool. Within the latter :period he (Dr. Mlienzie) had conducted the Railway Ex press newspaper, and in that capacity had received orders tin eilvertieemeets from Mr Gaskill and his clerks, which he had inserted in that paper, and charged to his account, allow ing him 11,S , certain per centage on the amount of the adver tisements. ..11e.had also supplied hint from time to time with newspapers for different railway companies, at the request of Mr. Owen and Sir George Stephen, for which he (Dr. M'Kenzie) charged the full price. These newspapers were to the amount of upwards of GOl., and were several hundreds in number. Several railway companies (including every , company, he believed, for which suet newepapers had been supplied) referred Mr. Gaskill's bills to him (Dr. M'Kenzie) for examination, but there was no charge for newspapers in any of ihnSe that he saw. Mr. Gaskill kept offices in Moor gate-street, with an establishment of clerks, for the conduct. .of his business. Mr. jA3IE7s--Now, Dr. M'Kenzie, 1 suppose tho6e news ' papers were ordered to keep the Railway Express in good humour? Dr. M'Kenzie--you may infer that if you choose. Were of co we will not. Was that not the case? M no re t articles ritten to attract attention to the schemes advertised ?. Dr. lit'lienzic—Why, yes; notice was taken of some, but the papas were also ordered ou account of the advertise mews, that they might be seen. Mr..JA.mrs— What, circulated? Dr. M'Kenzie—That they might be sent off to the dif ferent parties. I think they were not ordered by Gaskill on his own account—they were chiefly on account of Mr. Owen, the solicitor connected with the different companies. Mr. JAKEs—And so Gaskill has forgotten to charge for these papers? Dr. - 314:enzie—It appears so, for they are not in the bills. Mr. jAmEs—ls the Railway Express alive now ? Dr. .11`.fienzie—No, it has departed thi s life, much la mented by All who knew it.-.(Laughter). Mr. JAmEs—lndeed, much lamented by cli who knew it, that, I suppose, after a short illness? Dr. Mltenzie—No, it was veryharel in dying.—(Langh ter.) Mr. JA:mr.—When was the day its death? Dr. 11,1•Reniie—About a month ago. Mr. JAmEs—When did it come into existence, doctor? Dr. APKenzie—lt lived about a year. It came into ex istence in the early part or June twelvemnnths. Mr. JA•mr- , ti'ere you one of the proprietors, doctor? Dr. 11.1‘Kenzie—I was latterly one of the proprietors. I was editor of the paper throughout its existence. Mr. 3AmEs—l suppose its chief support was its advertise ment. ? • • - Dr. M'Kenzie—And its c Mr. JAMES—You attract able mention of t.ebernes ? Pr. M'Kenzie—W'ewerl Mr. Ihr , heft.. roe Mr. t ;once did you'rot, t , y favour- fair as we enuidbi . .—(Laughter.) mined by Mr. Cite, on the quest lori I)ein4, a proprietor of the Railway Mall; 1) understood that Mr. GaSkill and Mr. Owen were jointly iritorested -in that paper, but he never di,tinctly un der-stoat'LhaL Mr, Oaskill was a proprietor. „Mr. Ingranr, be bellev!(l,.wa* - The Itki t siered proprietor, Ile bad a conversa tion with Alt. , Gashiff're:tttive to • the 'introduction of busi ness tothe paper, and'it - waa understood that if there were any pralts he (11r. Hughes) was to receive a share of thm, as remuneration for his services. Afr. JAUES—Now, Mr: Hughes ; w::, the liailicar trtr ted ? Mr. - I - Rights—Some time in the month t i October litst. Mr. , JAmEs--W hen did it CXtire ? Mr. Hughes—Abeitt the lieginnlng of NOeinber, or pe.r haps a-Itttle later. • ' Mir. :Win—What, did it last otth a month ? Mr. lloglies-;A' month or six WjEtk*. — (Latigliter) It was 'at first Intended to be a thrice-a•iv - t . ck paper but ir was afterwards resolved to publi s h it on ly tw i ce a-week. - It came otit - is all about" I.G or ' Tie did ; not kiii3w that a great number were given away. He'.untierbtood that the prinoipnl circulation was r.nruig the news-agents and the ceMpanies. lie did not know how the question of profit -Steoil,for the accounts were not yet finally arranged. He knew there were moneys owing to the paper, but it was hopeless to expect to collect them. Ingram was, he be lieved; the•sole registered proprietor. Mr. •Commissioner EVANS did not see the end of this examination. It was' evident that Mr. Hughes could give no testimony of consequence respecting the proprietorship. Mr. JAMES would not press it. The fact was. the paper was one eithose started for the purpose of getting railway adaiertiseMents. (Addressing Mr. Hughes)—Why, it had an account of the money market written in French, for the benefit of continental speculators, had it not ?—(Laughter.) • 'Mr. Hughes —Yes, I believe so. Mr. Cum said he was not prepared to go further with the inquiry to-day, and hoped the Court would give an adjourn ment. • • Mr. James said this was a hard exse upon Mr. Gad:ill. Br the resolutions adopted at the meeting of creditors it woad be seen that nearly all—indeed, he might say all—the credi tors had consented to the terms of arrangement proposed, with the single exception of the present claimant. This was not an ordinary case, but one of some importance, and, as re sulting from the late railway mania, required care in its treatment. The truth of this would be seen thiS way—the claims . of Mr. Gaskill' were principally . against provisional committeemen and others having to • dcr,with railway corn - panics; and without Mr. Dobie, who represented the credi tors, was allowed to proceed— Mr. Cominisoner EVANS--That would have nothing to do with it, were the rase clear. All the evidence is very vague, very vague indeed, and this last witness can tell us nothing at all. - Mr. .T.Amits—l am sure your honour will consider tlie general body of creditors. • Mr..CREE thought that Mr. Hughes' evidence afforded strong presumption of proprietorship, and et least wou ld satisfy the Court that . further" Inquiry ought to take place. Mr. JAnES said, the interest if the creditors required that speedy, steps should be taken to collect the assets, and with. out a proMpt decision was given, the proceedings of Mr. Dobie would be tampered with, and their cause damaged. Theft chairmen Wand provisional committeemen:were persons who sought the retreats of BOnlogne and other fugitive localities. and delays were therefore dangerous. Mr. Commissioner EVANS said he should not adjourn•tba struckinterfer O e n d ,:v . ll l with 5 1 °1 1: G re ashil sen t proceedingssuspense, e h h t e l a sei d d 6 ck o b f e ee,ettoi: course, interfered t 1i n g efin g on 10 case without. Strong cause were shown. . . and quite paralysed the action of Dir. bobie, date:anl Ci l A i i l s Already Mr. Dobie had been :: in settlement of some of those accounts, go forward while the questiQu ' hbllgeil to relate money offered ol a ankruptcy was 'pending. consequent upon the issue of this fiat. If Mr - . Vree could not produce further en.-1 better evidence, he (Mr. James) . the Court to give r. should beg sue out 4 Mr. Gaskill the benefit of that failure. and let him fresh fiat. Mr. Owen was then examined on the subject of the pro.. prietorShip of the liallawy .111 - al, but be could give no sari' s . factory information . . . ,-- • tVAN'S said there must be stronger anti Mr. Commiesioner. '''hcould -better evidence than this. before e . adjudicate a man What Mr a bankrupt. .'/Inghes even said was not anything sufficient. Th e evidence was much too vague to subject like . se such en ordeal as bankruptcy. a man to asked if the Court did not think there was Mr. CHEZ f'llllllk for further inquiry?' Mr. Cormnissioner EVANS said he would not adjourn the case without it could be shown in the regular way th at some witness had fallen suddenly ill, or kept out of the way. Grounds such as those would be alone sufficient for adjournment. Under other circun • not "buying or selling" was shown, and he the circumstances he could no' adjourn. On the point of trading, his Bono d • ' honour waded that. to adjudicate. The proceedings then terminated. Mr. Gaskill, it appears, has paid 10s. in the pound down to his creditors, and offers a second instalment of E, s , i n t h course of a few months. Wrefilootilit:.oral:,,,,,nladi ar3211.(k:1: ERRATUM.— We are given to und2rstand that the numbers in e veLd'ag, on Lord Stanley a amendmentw th- e e re division,incorrectly la given ve Monday n toe preen. The numb e r s s b ou have been :--Contents, 62 t• non contents, 64. MaBorityfor Ministers, 2. AN UNWILLING BATHE.-011. Saturday morning, a young gentleman went to bathe in the Lee, above the Pipe Watts.* works, at Cork. Alter swimming :about for sonfe minutes, he rte. turned 16 the bank, and was proceeding to dress himself, when t Durham bull . move.: in stately corm towards him, pawing the grninxis tossing bis head, and switching his tail. The bather, Perceiving OA acquaintance becoming rather eloto, shook his cost at the animal is deter him, but this appeared to have been taken AS au invitation tc advance, and the animal came on et en accelerated' pace, - when th e poor might ,was compelled to save himself by jumping into the rivet. Ile was no sooner submerged than the bull took his clothes on la horns, and iiitcheti them one after the other-after him into the watts'. The gentleman caught his clothes, and bung by the bank. trying op. ea , donally - to escape, hut the bull guarded the bank. Wits to pre:46ot a retreat. lie was thus kept in the water for ttrree hours, itat.l-disx, covered by a person passi ng on the opposite bank, and a boat wax brought to his assistance.—lrish paper. . DEATH OF Mn. JAMES 111ARSII, TEEL CHEMIST.—wK We have to announce - the death of Mr. James Marsh, .the celebrate chenrist 'wife expired on Sunday evening at his residence in Berg*, f o rd.-street;WOolti !ch. Mr. - Marsh will be rtmenabered'as the inwegx, for of the test for arsenic, now geaeraily used in medical jurisprud wc.o, Ile held the situation of practical chemist at the Royal Araeni_ Woolwich,"and was assistant to Dr. Faraday, at the Royal Mau r : Academy. Mr. Marsh was in hts 57th year. and has left a vvicu - . and family. ` R t