The Sun. — London, England, 1805-03-09 00:00:00

ch O r ' I.l=l ti fge. ,(cfl itf 3 00' jig .• t Ile thou g h t t h at any min wilio saw 't.§4R td,qlfa(l4 the. Military State of the Country grea;ly . irrlpros.r_eli , - a aed'anlione st and ConiCientiOut part ingiving hii, vote accordin g l y . ; but for himself, who saw not t h e smallest reason for changing his former . oinion n. this s n hj e ft, he thought it but reasonable and fair t o o . - claim credit atleast for consisrenty, when lie thought that if ever necessary, it was tenfold necessary now. • But befOr C he prOCee:le'd trt ihlt part of whit he 'in tended to offer to their Lordshlptii he '.shoold ob- Nserve upon the'language that had • fallen from the oble Secretary of St•tts oppusitez.that it was not fit' that 11), proposi,i,,n relative to the Minrary, State Of the C.)untry „should he Originated i n Par liamet n, hut by the ' - Executive G ov er nment.— C9nl"l it be heard without astorishment, in the - Pat. , .d Ireland lie,ntoit oftlie United Kingdo an m of Great :Britain. and ► , that that Parliameot, which regulated controuled by. its Aft i the ambunt, the de%:- actiotiOn, and the disciplioe of the whole Armed ;'Ce ,of the' Empire, -and which, for the-PorPos-e ~' l '„",i"g that controul more Complete,- voted all 1 " e 'vlffliaty A' is iinly fr, m year to ear—W3'l it to he h ear d withotit astonishnient 'and y indination, that that I),%thamenr g , or any, Member of it, bad' " fillilt t.+ interfere with its own Military AR' , ! that "was to be converted into a mere elefiive'aSsembly, So sanflion nr rejeel by its v,te o•haieVer Ministers theCtown may appoint, and whit t evt r measures those I% lirlltcr t i to that fia t ' t• pr opose ! Such, ialiguige 'bid for ime within his parliamentary experience, „ a Ni he' belieired . W ithin• the recordl of ParliaMent, . •:eeen uttered this night ,by a S‘ctetary of Stare, 114 lei be was skir t y t , s , 5.,,y, as yet WirhoutartY mark of thsaP'probarion of their. Loolsiiips. In looking ,ack to , the prociedi l ngs' of ;ast year, When a I\4 11"'Vretisely ,similar ;to . that ma; :e this night \Vas IllauPPOttett by ail that was eminent . its rank, :talents, : I , ll , o l l erty, in the Couotry, united in what the ,""4L-ird opposite was ',leased to Call a Faftion, tv at but natural .to ask, what had.' been ~ion* , : it ° to convince any one, except' those wh° ~,,e , !' ' h et; of that F !dion, but now Mt:mbcys_Rf the; irt''..lent able k liiitnistratiorc that a similar Inquiry rmi deerta:•rl nec...ssarvitioty 'Much as he had thai e lrd this niol lt w i d ) s of totir. - there. - was one.thing• h. 1.1 s a • • • • • '...--' •• , - -i. os!I lieltd avatar infi,trie the:vw• I . iiiihroet k oo,,,,i t wits, w i t) ,,, , , ti :I I Lit the Art , o f 17 a . s . Cytt, ' !:, the . repeal his iiolll`l,;lladlit,6' M0ve4.1.4. i'N'olife Frien i :4 Ins, , i -A' oe allo(ved, , I lc-fo r one' wOuld'ln9't g 134 it:PPlriany al;et.oion that may be .prop led, fore wit impossible that;any ;alterati•,n c oduhd have ., lirftYLefTea latit l - to atle.nd. it, - though ora alteration w, °llll be complete* but that of et.intal repeal. - He ni'tsikttc tbc,Noble L tots opposile saw the.necessity u .• ' t , l _,'',repeal, . for it they obit not repeal .. .it-, it I t ilt44l ' r el'e4.l itself by failitik to a mrre nullity. t • I v' t. indeed, imoossible the Aft c•rold be ,ert. :I'wee:rl bY the' levy o } f . ibe , penalties. 'Die_ Aft n ave e ta .fall t° the Pdrial , Officers, and the penalties w o re aver on the Parishes, which had no. contrOol' ti r the PatiTh Officers'i.to conipet them to do 4411,,,i1( the Ile was sure no Court of Law -in d,f,:eand would compel a m a t , 0 -, pay' a fine in di b y et, delinquency of ,his own, nor by any i atir u t which it was not in his power to prevent *?i• Itis,t t(4ll ' t ie was ante, that if any Court of J.avv could li o n t ttnd to authririse such an injustice against the krir ot e Pen i'le of England, it would be irripossible to tellctho decision. In proceeding, however, to Itt,Ntie.ration proposed, it Was singular that their ivilioa,llll would:have to take,•the very same' step 1 4 t'i'liwTat,ntiiv refused because it came froM that side . which.t,"ntte, - They should go. inns .a Committee, in 110 to „„' i t whole MilitarYState of the: ountry was, to I,,,riati when' e& .The measure 'heti:been poprised n' a tkutii,„, We•were tolatOtounroor weeks or days, /t i.,:,. ""3)-19 tXpeqiiltioil of ;he:danger of invasion. taitinq brought forward as a means of act hie rio hs -g ti a contitlerahle Force yet gfier,all the prrdic. ,• , - llio been l ' ir t 1 441 been made, and -the expeetationt -thatY titOttini rug its•SUccess, the tau . It. .ivas;al i tne t tt .k4Uel l d 4 t" he mentioned. • Supposing, WtlfC 1, le tlubted, brat . hadraised two ' thousand five ' ao l d ret , it i t i,, ' ,ine(it was that a number of which a great' h. 4 /I ke this could boas . t., when it was :considered ~ i v taa,,,, hash Per in fog he en•vnuntedOl the Act bettire it was . vri), extra t r ? ,The Nuble'Seeretary t . .S,'Jtei in the had th-nrdinary and delusive statement ' tliat,-he . tilt. , ~ii t evr i , - nvide, of what he termed rite Mil.i • tiotrul4 r . e . e of the'Cinintry; instead of *hewing di 4 - t h t s ! like situarimi in which it atood,•bad. wrapped: 1.,, colter), the Artdonters, &c. round . tha real Mi. , taty. 1,- tti i 5 i 10 ,, t) :ce• tor the purpo,e, no ,A . ouht, •of dis_ e f, t h i e g ~`I at much as possible. -• -The.' obj'a tr e „. -tddicioNi as Ad •Wils not to in.a 14 7 eour , Whole.,tnilitary st rength, but :to.: rise 'II -4. 0 alnd itnnletlilte Disposable. F-,rce,-;--'Wiilt krk t i tud '"lts- Which Administrition hatt-triadrio the 1 10 4 ,, e nt the Country for theit.exertions,-Wthe fi ttitty w o nu ld look to the Returns' of the i.Bri tisli 1n... Into e g f ,V woald ,find, that in ,the: last ;; 'ear it'). - "tving increased it had- degreased. .On .4( 4 1.,. ' - , . - • - , , on. ith. J.,!lu4ry 1804, I heHnuniber,,,w4S.MS.6.B6 ; icisio,;: Pt .1 inuyy, 1 4?5,.,, it- 991rAnwuri re - to 4 lter 3 , le t i na kini; A decrease of Bs3 men in the year, liar l o t , s°'ting.. GarriePn'ls ,SZgi!''t,hcrt remained tint an • ai l l ;" ; ', 1 14 ttit general field service:- ?2.8,195 ; l'it In ,f t . , 4 ""' ttluSt be 'Made for casualties INili4r) 44 4, -Fn . place: abroad,. awl ; if - which rto fl,n,,lht: E:, ' , 6 , 1 ' 1 , e . io the ArttlftiW on the :fable.—,.. loti,t-----”,;-91niet, Where such. bloody, though ndi.7'll battles had been fought, and in, the West h t r kvl l , re ~1 Ico o , l . mdlignant distemper prevailed no t 'f• . 45A,0 , r .41tUlil te 4 , t.- • edtlein ' 111eS4 casualties at less than lion`, -• Aile whole n umber to 74.195 . The onment of *hes 't II? 3, 1 1 --e • roops w.,14_...)C., vt'licCt, thatltlt4rne,43.oBa. But...the House should re. Il k „, Our Estabi• i ' • • !etn‘• 7n tril rro t , t b 1 ' trtlents Indiff ers_ nt parts of ouiati,._ r maintained, and this on 4 moderate w t hi w. , ,i ,", _would require li.irteen thousand men, 1, 1 y,...,11,0u1ti ''tljiieave theliritish Infantry in this Conn. 14,114o.rie..erttY-1119t14110d Men. .The On' y chance 7nliA itch she heyt,4_l4lithing Great .11ritain in the .rank 2eni, * m i t !, ' In i':ttrope, - before the 'Peace Of ;11VAtti,; .11,..`.1_-tria,'O'..tip.etation with:the Continental l it ,-4 C e " s : i o ti, rake ;his co.o p e ratioroeffedual, we \V 141 hOty, we 6 l ' 4l with gr4nting pectiniari inc -01 e 1141 i)14t 'th e " vir.,( lu s atifie,l to afro r d any other ? 1: . 444)1 ( 1 tn 1 ' 414 Y ° is Positble ForCe of thirty. ,'e.• 1- ,,, t i, i _':' i Pot-could ;we &ilia even _those to crit 'ilo t ' cfit, util e"' we determine I to leave Great iit;:tl'..,,Vtiltiv,lll4,::° °tiler -defence- th ' ari the Iviilitia Mili t ia ' end Itelend.with no 'defence bot gurle• The 'Noble Lord commcnied ~~ .esisratillet of Iteie rye -Aft, h;elf. ternae4ea:'weetcfmt measure.. .It hait.'been • tins. gined,by ,souse; that if , the Defence. Aft- were re— , pealed, recont,..." lig be Again had Ao' the Army , of..Reserue ; but of - this there was- no. tian-i ger. He r ecoininentled strongly the rectuitieg for limited , serviee, and concluded by . , declaring hia hearty assent to the .Mation of his Noble Friend. Lord CAMDEN observed, that he .hatl.not as.' serted,-there vast any intention in Gvernment' of proposing.an Alteration in. the Aft, but' merely that hcthought some • one enight,possibly be desirable. Lorei , MULGßieitiE after the, very able Speech , that had been mAcie.ltv the Noble Secretary of State, did not conceive it , necessary td go into any long detail on the subject.. He wished to correct uric, misapptehensi )n, of '.his Noble Friend's oppJsite.; He had expressed, with. a 'de&ree of asperity not, very usual to him, his indignation .at the as. sertion which he had imagined his 'Noble Friend near him to have matle,.which was, that that House had . not a right to institute a. Committee for the. examination of military. matters. This' was by no meanswhat his N Friend had said, which was merely, that there might be occasions on which it would not be prudent lo.do so, and that this was' one of -them ;. in which seri-timely he petliltlY concurred with' him. . The Noble L entered into an ex teaination.of the circumstances that hail' occasioned the effe-CI of the Aft not to be •quite so successful as it. was expetted .to. have been, He attributed this. to the great drain of men 'which the previous :raising 'of the 'Militia, the -Supplemen tary Yli-litiaond the Army of Reserve, lad caused, and the excesssive bounties which resulted from it. He contended that the Act ;Mari ndt eiceerienced a fair tria:; it had . been -found during the few last tivee•ks' to mete be itt,it'ChtlipatOd-Opportion; and the Returns of the ••last month were so vry flattering; that tit th.)ughr ist.t,,l),• Lords would not tel them. selves. justified in ‘touttsiting a measure ehich -pro ' iniseitso much. • 14e. - I,OR.D•CHANCELLOR at that late hour shelled not occupy much of their Lordshipv,a He thought it not Unnecessary, howeVer,tolnake a...few ;00servatitins on the - nreser,t "que stion, in . order to Corrett certain misrepreseetations which seemed to . prevail ..relative 'to the .'measure under consideratien.. The Motion that had been submitted . - that night, was one which had last Session,. thongii. . not.pruposed in that Eiouse, been the subject of much observation. It was in effect , the same as ore " which hail been rejected by a very large,majerity- in. that House, And exa ttly' s iinilar to '4 Motion 'that had been proposed in -another plaCe, and disposed of in a- similar t - vay. Thee object of the Motion, .thoogh i it protessedatO be for a Con'tinittee to revise .the measures of the two last . Sespioes at .Parliatnent for the defence of the Country, and to render •the same moteecomplete and permanent, was...ireither m :re nor less than to procure•the repeal of that which was she Law . : of 'the .Landi anti 'which, : Ite trusted, after this night, would continue the LAW . " of the .Land... To the first part of the Motion ,he could not possibly subscribe,. whilst. 'convinced he could, : without exaggeration, elltscrt, - that' by the measures that had'been adopted, a greater force Wattbeen provided than he thaught it pessible for man to provide. But it' was nut the,'revisioo ,of these measures a l on e t h at was sought by the tiun for a Committee, but their repeal; and there must he - a strong case, indeed made out, to in. dike their Lordships to repeal ,stieaspre,s _that had proved so successful. Not the smallest Park*. .mentary ground had been laid for such a proceeding. Nothing could w e aken so elit.•Ctually the strong powers entrusted: to Pailiameot, as the rise of them ocertecnions - not — strong enoire,h to Various objeetions had- been spited Against the 8,11 - of last Session. t itle petialtieshad beeniparticttlaily animadverted upon. But he weull. ask, whether thjc princiPle Was, new ? . Whtther 'it:was not .4t - vd uporlai-rWar, in raising that excel:no. Force the i'iatlisinnel tat- airy, and the Prir,i. quura Nlen, the Militia, the Supplementary Milo' ia, aril the Army of, Reserve, in sips present WI r ? l'he prin. triple was not novel, and the applicati o n of +ht principle had been rendered more mild. in this Bill 'than in any other 'instance; OlWAioni beet(' made as. to 'the diffictilfyoollivying!thepe-.." najties 4 but even thouglethe mails shohld,n6t heye been rlnt ea put t the ,Law, was ing , ninus enoegit irctlevb+ing means • Of recnvering debt's - acertimg . under the Law ; and. what Judge in his 'errnined robe dated - f - tlisptite. the AutiOrity oi the Law which he is appointed , to exec . ute? The Noble lePT,c d . bete feted into a &leng e • of the m e asur e s ,of A Inii;ais tration 'for ThrlYeeent c,' Ciiun nd cone eel beetileclaringhli.ometcition.to.the Astion, •0041:ltnin to be aCqe,pred, beC;l444 'it" go tO devrive the Country of a useful 'and beneficial mea. sure, without any'subStitute . " havi . ng been propOsed . by arty •ofthe Noble Lords whel snppot t ed. it, .ana rather. to be rcgretto,,h..ceanse.no liaineritary grounds wit , tever had b:,co laid to juszify their' Lordships 'in acceding to it.' the DUKE - of CL4RENCE argeed : At greatlength,- and with `mud} warmth, in support of the M.ition. He was equally sorry .and.. stirprtied to observe the versatility of sintiment, ande- ineOnsistencY'Of opinion, betrayed Cline Noble Lord.s,. reape6ing 'the' nature. autLetendency . of the Adilitiorial:Ferce Bill, a rheas re which, on former occasion's, they had so loudly and,strentiously, 'condenined; , His - Royal adVerted' to the condo& of the. prestnt .-and of the lateYirtt. 411(1 of the Admiralty,..--The vigilance, and-energy .rif the htter he should be always forward to vindi cate and approve., - Had - that NobletUra enntinued at the head of the Naval' Depaitiasent we should' not, perhaps, 3 / 4 h ave had -to lament the.capt ure was this day announced in the City.. As to our Military Systesn,"lie felt it Wa's Mistrisblyi'deficiint; arid that some chance•might be aifortled to - remedy ' thesedeticienctes he . shotild, support' the • Motion now before 'their LordshiPs• „Lord SID MOgrii intreated the' indidgenee of the House for aTe v4rmoriicnis, the recite so k . a he was sOlicitOos. to anA wer what .he could:not help conceiv. tog to be a persnnal attack, He was particularly hurt' h% the insinuations 4" the Per':ottage who just sat....:doWn,, whi . ch seenvel poiniedly,to accos e him of vesaatility and inconsiste nc y. H e must b eg ' leaVe to say' s that, such a cha rge , p eson in the r t stance ) from whateve r r (p alt e r it might come, was (olocry. withdut loundatiOn; He - 140 - often been called upon.c. to deliver his ... opinion' respedittg the measure which fortned the chief topic of- this night's %.;ebate; .gn,l on no - occasion' ditt he ad. wince - atiy, sentimmts different frOrn' those which heihad Tforineoly expressed respeding - it. He had always -asserted that it would mit be; attended -with that, immediate efft which it was supposed could result from it ; and; if he now consented tolive, it a fuller and to ire prolonged trial,- it was out of resped for the . sandion of the • Legislature by which it had been - ' harboured. Never was it ltis idea or intention - that it oppress the People in. .the form of a Tex; and should it be proved so to operate, it'should 14nget meet with his approbation and support. With respell to the great-variety of extraneous topics which 'had been introduced into the , Dcbate, and Many of which bad been personally diretted against himself, he should only say, - that most of them, if .not all, had no real foundation in fad. A .pluble Baron, (Ca v.r/v r) hati,on this 'and in.tny other occasions; been "very prodigal of opprobtibus epithets in de. settling the Administration ot which he had formed a parr. The terms imbecility and incapacity were continually used to charanerise it ; but he still Aid not fear to challenge chit Noble Baron, or any other Noble Lord who indulgt.d in the same accusations, to come forward with the statement of any one particular measure of his Administration to which those insulting terms could justly apply. As little could that 144. , b1e Lord jostify his eternal accusations against the much condemned Treaty of Antiins.. Such as, that Treaty teas, it had been paatidive of the best eons'equences to the Country. It was made under the necessity that the Govern ment should nu.longer resist the voice of the peo. pie fur peace ; and-in yielding , to that call, Govern. rent gave rise to that'onnvietion, which since had been produffive of the Wit effeds, namely, that the Nation wire now sensible that a'great and last ex. ertion must be made•to give security and perinanence to whstever Treaty rtfay hereafter be erne - red into. It is tit that Treaty of Amiens that the Country is,also indehied fur any improvement that may have since been made in our relative aitil itioti to the Continent. The moderation which that Treats' evinced "can our part, and the 'views that it Opened- to the Great Powers of Europe, nu.re particularly to thoSe of the North, were among the principal causes of . the friendly, disposition.• which they have since rani. rested towards this Couctry. 'The Noble Vis count, after referring to, - and justifying the dilftrint alts of his Administration, and their conneXinn With the present, Motion, concluded by • deprecating she ad-,Titian of it, as of a measure that' must be pranitally mischievous, in' as much as it must tend, under .such a critical- Situation of the Country, to unhinge all the measures that: have hitherto been 'devised for its defence - and security. - Lord .111ELVILLE vindicated the measures of the , Admitrstration of which he had formed . a part, in •cdnjonnion with the Noble Baron (Grt t v t.u), had- been •so acrimonious itr litS Charges'agait;st his fOrmer:Colleagues. Not one or the measures that 'hid been: Adc)pted but he could fully justify, and 'the "Noble Baron most be as sensible 'as he was of the expedi: 'ency or the neces4ty by which theywerevinditated, The Noble . Vi , ;eimanl,' eX;fitisted on the merits of cur vi cries in Egypt., and claimed the full praise of them to, the AdininiStration'of which he was then a Me:rther. He was nova little atOnlghed at the mode of prticeedink whieh sJrrie-NOble Lords had ad3pted in defending .the Motion.: almost the whole of their argumeTs were direded against the Additional Force 'Bill,!and -eenied to have' nothing•in view bin its re. peal. This hurely was nut a very Parliamentary ificide proCeed mg—tot nor much inure thaw a - fortnight ago a Motion had been direaly made and negatived by that - House for a repeal of that Aa ; y et, if the' arguments 'urged 'now in defence of the present Mo.: tiou were properly considerisi, they would be- found to have no other obje& in view bur the repeal of that Att,.respeding limit Lordships had al ready decided. Lord SPENCER could not but express his surprtse• ar-trie - -complete misrepresentation, by the Viscount, of what had been advaihied on hi, side of the' Horse; It was not' merely the repeal- 'of the Defence' Ad which the present Motion . had• - in contemplation, but a great vari.:ty of- other ;improvements, and the - aduption - of other a l earis k 'hy which ourotilitary systearmight be much peddled. Equally-inconsistent WA the Noble and Lea r~e;l,f,jrtil on the-, Woolsadk in *urging the same objeilion ; 'for when the . repe'al of the Aft - was pro.: puie d, that Learned. .lard opposed the Altition on, t h e ground that k referred ttY 3 sirs...b:,e-mcastire,' - and to na new system of - measures that .might tend t o . suPfd3' its Place. Wh en 4 M ot i on Was naw prr-Tosed to futrii ., h. that new System, or the tvpirtonity of devising it, - that Motian7 equally met the Learned Lord's dislipprubltion arid - opp ,, sition.-4 SuOtiplistcproentationi anti inconsiltencies it tvas imposithie fur him to allow to pass by unnoticed and unrt:proved, -Of the,necesSity ef such a Motion as the ,present he was convinced, and . under that convic, tion he rnta7t *ore for its adoption. The - giteation was tiON callikl for, and on a division atm appeared for the Motion—confents, 5 2 ; Nort.contents, 3pilitit it, 7s. A,:j4unicd at Half past Three o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. FitIDAY, MARCH S. ON tbe iM ot i on of Sir WILLIAM YOUNG, t?e Papers relariVe to the West Imiia Trade, pre. seated on 'the licit insunt, .were ordered to be printed. . . Thti Ru) t Nfirine Mutiny Bill, the Isle of Man Bill, 50 . ,;.1r ,Dra whack Bill, and the f.e3;,cy buty Bill, were read a second ,titne ; the three first t.l he c, , mai tied Or) IYlgnitty ; anti 'the Lrgitcy Duty Bill t:) be committed on Tuesday, Mr. ALFX:ANDrIL hruught up the Report of the Corutpittec on Expiring Laws; the Resolutions of which ivere' referred to A Conunittee of, the, whole on ' • A Message from the L')rds informed the House, that their Lorktphips had agreed to ti:e Loan BM, and 'the Postage - DAty Biii, tlithoot any amcmi inent. T e third'reading of the Property "fax Bill' was put vtl' till Monday. 4 PE:ISaNERg OF STATESTATI lil KI t IAMINEtvki, Lltd Eikt4P,y Prrarr reas ill to stand that- no . obje.slioo w 3 0 1 be (wile to . OtzM,s tions of which !;.: :;Ad given ,for .14y, thought it - unneces,3ry to preface - thew wi t h setvationa.' He should, therefore,cantent hirnielf with simply m wing, " Thai 'thee be laid before the House a Copy,of the Deposition } - in.t•le by the Prisoners of State in the Pris:.n of Kil!n;inhain, Dublin,. on oath, hifire three 'judges of the court of King'i wiao sat three for Ow pari)Jvt, on the i6th and t7ty of J<ily fast. Aka a C ;Iv • , t' the Menioriais !torn the said Priioners or State to the .Lord Lientenant cf Ireland, prior and , titibbetrvnt to the said Cht,'s." . . . • . , The CILINCELLOR of tA..I froth, the general ,nature of the Patiers moved for, was not aware of idiy obj:dion to their pypdtilioti. But, 'as ite.was not acquainted %vitt the, particui tr i, which might passitq contain mit:et intertnin!...l with the information 'desired by the Nible I. 11 which it .would be iriikoper to pubil,h, sh. , tii.l, in agreeing to the MOiions, reserve to himielf the privilege, if that shQuld lie s ', of in , vinj, After, to restrict the 'Ceder to that rtrt th,,t could be produced conSi%tently with the l'obtie Service. Lard 11!. N Rl* PETTY assured Gentienfin that . his Motions had been made entirety With a dew to the conditiin of the Prisoners of State, anki to the hardships to which they had been buil. jeded. The MME tions were than agreed to. SHERIFFS OF:MIDDLESEX. The CHANCII.LO . R. of the EXCHEQiIER. trys'Ved Ole Order of the .D.ty 'fog= restnti:rig . the Adjourned, Debate, and the Report of the Miti:llesex mince relative, to the 'conduet of the sll:tiff. of Wliddlesot. Mr. SHERID4,V rose for the purpn . se of opp o . sing the resumption of the debate tto.v. His in. tension was, if the (louse shou`,l ~gt ee wilt hire in negativing that Motiian,to I,il:tw ty the qut..,„ tion' by a Motion for hearingC , tuosel on beit.4 of the Sherifra previous to resuming the deb we on someluturc.day. . It WaS not his wash to en ter in,' the merits of the, question, nor to dis.CO.o, txliether evidence should be examined at the Bar, nr the Re_ solutions Of the. Committee be adopted by the It 'fuse. These considerations Were altrg:"ther out Of his view in the present instance. However.thtlz questions might'he,h,l.lli di . :4pesed of, he contended ciat . the fl use could' not consistently with jastiea agree' to - the Report ‘vithotAt heating whit the Parties had to. say. It, had, been argued, on . a fortor day, that it Would he idle in the Fl,oe (a try this question, bet::: , use ithad already been fully tried by the CQinmittee themselves, on oath, and on evidenCe'taken upon oath, with the rage of the cornmews of Couti;el, L and a view of the countenances the tes , i , tn therefore was, whether the [louse shouid of tibst u ld not agree to the . Report of the Committee; withilut the a3Vantagm at: lea s t o f hearing' Counsel. The Coir.rnittee had iven to the lity. w ie Rpp or r, the evidence that had been tal:.,!tt before it, in order to enable the (louse to aSCC'ttaio whether the Rev'. 'lotions were borne nut by the eVidence; and he . maintained,' that no - lon...Cientlernan could rutty-agree to them entillie wail eonrinred of their being so borne our, lie did not argue that all' the evidence should be gone os:er, but that Gen. dernen should have the assistance of Counstl to guide their judgment upOn that', which had been laid before theta. tie understood that the .I`leble Lord who had so ably presided over both the Mtd. &sex Conitnittees; inter de to supuorrthe, 1I tion for hearing Counsel, anti he h,vect the Committee would aft with the same noblvimpartiality. Th,:re was one preliminary question which' it was nest's. vary , to establish here, It the Sheriffs had not been heard at all, rteither the Right flOn. Gentlet:int' op. polite; nor any , tither.Gentleman 'e,...;;;0t1 'contend that they ought not to he heard, heard at all, they ouot.to he be a rd f u lly .; , an d what evidence hal Ilse Hon ,e' to what ex.tent they had been wbg , ther to t!l is own satisfaCtion fully, completely, and lin. i) , Lttially ii,vrafe'll i6d.:ed that they had bren heard; but he denied that they had been fully he and it the lionse tlecid;_• against the hearing or Counsel, it Would he hotter fo r the Returning 011icer t , , A to be heard at all before the Cominittee.,. the whole of the. evidence was not before the House,. hut sneli parts of it. its the Noble Lord and .the Conimittee ,had seletfled .us snfficient to enttble - the House„ to form a ,judgmeut .of the condua of the. Sheriffs. In his mir e d the whole evidence sh,uld be bad for .that purpose, and C'nonsel oug-ht, to he heard ascert.,in whether any tn:. , re, Clam they had, was necess.lry. The Shetitcs had no niltice ot . their contina having hen undr: contideration until th e y, heard of it ; .rtrl When they .applie.l to. have tlie dettred tifitii alter th e Whole of the cast* should bu gene through, i t s order :am they might haV¢ the bet-frit( o f ail t ht, evidence that. Plight produe.ed,.which was de n i e d them. ' They had but a single day to prepare their t i) ri c .f s and defence, and that Was ft Month s pr e y i lus to. the Resolutions being adooted, by t h e mittee. There was nothing, he contended, in the Atft „which gave th e i'..tin , tlir t e e a power to try. the Sheriffs. The Right ylonaur4the Gentleman. i t ' r e i tt n i l t: l t ' i a sa n e tly a retla-eet.l t r: r (l.'lh t: et admitted 94,7 a./ the seat, but not aa ri the Sheriffs" any Inure than itti to Per:SS 1.010 might have War., feted in the Elettion, or any otherpersons aot im• pliFated in h.:The Cotlrtlitte..47ard chts. .sear;Atica as 4 Petty, Jury, whose de...et:slot% was fr , al ; but it. senihicii a Grand Jury in their pro.ctediog, .tou:h. ing each -other• matters, the Ffouse having served .to itself the right. of .final deCiNi4tl Loon, them. In the c.ne of t lit; in : : Tl. dots had beet; made of hini in the Petition fto,t .11chester, though,' stnnettling r.nne out An dense before the Committee tv4d . elt they tni-ic tk , e, ground of a . 'spetial .Repart. Vv'hat course, did Houses adopt ? ,arod him to Nesvgitt..., • No t . they tient bins t9.liii trial. All the pre cc . dents were against ,the pOni)ii of the.. Right geu t lenuni. In tbe3hOr4barn else, iyhich h,td oC.- tattled within a year - after the passing of Mr. GR V11.1.4.'S Bill, .whilt,:t GHOZIGR t';;AVILLE, Lot. JOHNCAVENDI,SI-1, Mr. DUNNING, a%LI Mt. WED -I;)httlttlitNZ, WhO had Ltea the ...,