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plations of Parliament ;14.1 prNinced in the trade, p a rticniarly in the middle. passage. With 'cleft to tht. proportion: of Slaves to tonnage, he was pre_ pared to prove by evidence, at the Bar of that fiouse, kat the Americans t0..-k more slaves: in proportion to the tonnage of their vessels than the British. The Abolition was evidently meant to terminate in eman„ cipation ; such was the idea entertained of it by the NegrOes 'themselves,' among ~w hom the very discus slop had produced infiniti'llivachief. Ni one could p conceive it oi*, that without - importation ;limp lotion cciald he kept 'up in the West. India Islands toff - relent° for the Cultivation of 'the coffee phial'. tions„ which in their infancy required but few hands, but demanded a considerable numbe'r as they advanced" to ainiturity.''. , too, was the worst there for the adoption of the measure,' on account of the danger which existed' of a co.opera„. 'between the - British Negroes and those of a ne ighhoueing Island, where false speculative opinions tad produced the Most deplorable ualainitiei. In. deed a corigpiracy of this nature had .already been providentially discovered and defeated. If he might bilicteAe reports he had heard, Government would feel the necessity of refusing' their assent`to the Bill. He had been told that a . Contracthad been enter, ed into by Government for five thousand. Slaves for Military Service ; now, with any preten, slop to consistency, it could nut be denied that Wit were politic to purchaie Slaves fur !Military Service, it Could not be impolitic to pitrehase'them for Civil Service. With regard to' the question of humanity, let the. advocates for it ,reMeMber, that if this Bill went to.destroy .ihe Trade of the West Indies, and such he firmly believed would be the result, were it passed, upwards oi 7,50X00 men would become des. brute of employment. I.le trusted that the Report from the Committee of the Assembly of Jamaica would have th a t influence with the ilouse which the and respettability of the Members,•• and the tlency of the arguments they: had employed, demanded. As to the assertion that increasing the numhcr of Slaves by importation would increase the danger, the proportion waa now as thirty' to one, , and it -mattered little were this augtnentetrto 33 'or 35 to.one. Greater danger acute from . the•agi. ration of the of the abolition among the Negroes, and 'ln.. could only be fully averted by. a decided etetettainatin of that House nut to , agree to it. tie would reserve, his observations . on 'soinr... parts of the Bill, which appeared to him to be Pe„ culiatly objeffinnable, and even wicked, until an. ether stagy of it, should it ever arrive at that ; but be trusted, 'that the additional time which the House had had forconsidmtition, and the adThinoal thicinuenis which had been laid before, them on which ter ground their decision, would induce them to con.: cur with him in the Motion he would wiw submit ~to them, Which war , , tliat the 13i11 be read a second ciao: this . day Six months,; 111 r. C. BROOKE confin'ed his ohaerva 's tion chicily to the policy of thc'tueasure. • He adverted to the dteadful state of St. Domingo, imd to the d.nw, , :r to he apprehended froni the netglihourhood of that Wand. l'he British merchants had cm. barked large capitals in the trade, And had:establish. lin.. 4 tories on the Coast ofAftica, and could it be eipetted, were this Bill to :tee:rive the sanction of di attic or., they would aband,in them ? Nu, they would dt4cover some ciectiitou* mode of doing that which they now did' Openly and avowedly. Other Towers would avail theMselves of our relinquish rne.nt of the Trade, AO that the AfriCans would derive no Advaist3go from it whatorer. lool: at the situation of ii Negro in one of our Wcst India Llands, and, hut divot huts of that narneyso hateful to a hrititth ear, he would be fuuod to poft,e4b (111 C COMrilifi than trovently fall to the lot ot tltif lah.loret3. Sir youNG tivati 4S!OniI010d at 'the assertion ley the Wm. *Dover, tilat nothing new had Occurred s;ice the discussion of tbe Sistimt. Did the Report (tithe cOrt'artit,iee of the House of Assembly .at jatniica contain nothing newt He confessed that, in the mode. in which the Hon: Gentleman: had a..Scd over this Report, there was a di.respett very .Ivennsistent with his former professiont of :regard `for th , colonies, "the Gentleman Scen,d try with the House to consider the precedent of last Session rather thin the existing, citeutnitances of or times; As to the number that divided em the bill at that. period, .it diti not eXeeed 250. .There were more thtn 400 remaining, wlv he hoped, 'entree t hal. tires", had tomitlered the suirjett. with at. tendon, alut were prepated to decide upon ti, not n the triskt raft principle, hut on the pradtcal policy and expdiency. That portion •of- the Metnheri ofi'Jolt,l to the Houit:by the:Union, and to whom ticc:oilejeet tvae then . new, must now Ikl familiar with ir„ torvt rt:Acly to expresy the -judgment thay have 4t rnhr ti. lis H, , n: Friend who had just sat down, had well stated, that we might quit the trade, hut c-nld 'not .th ,14 , ,!. it. /V. to the qucstion,tif Jtutna, tity. While 'Ne keep the trade in our own hands we tin regulate but with the trade, we roust i aban, d‘n this pow.er. Sir W. Youl4t; q tuned seveial pasf,age r i lour) Mungo Palk, and Mr. Brown, to prove, that ( A n the sa , ltok Northern Coast of Mn.i CA. 4 ty.t , tem of warfare vats pursued ; and argued, that it the priloners Avarc not purchased by Euro. prim , they wr aid 47e slaughtered by their conque. tors. 'Those who were "trained' 45 slaves in Africa were treated with the greire , ,t cruelty man y . 0 1 Were cotopeiltd to work loaded with fetters, ~,A n, l it wa utt aCIt litintrinity to teirlsg.iiß, , ,Al from 'hie situation s by transporting t h em to our "P;t• tr,mr the Cititt nittce of the -A,: , , , :unt,ity at . I,f Terhaini t;,e Fibn c Gentirman had riot even - condeteendeai to toated ttie crntgr'ition'that the Abolitiou of t hy Trade Ilittlt .o-colion among the stnaller 1..1,n as likely to be produdive of infinite ,:k,ger to t1;-se who remained, by inereving, - in , a wry wee. ( l c:v et, the dispropottiuo between the o,:ogroes ; lint the Hon. Gentletn,m, ti'mse who esr,tt‘ed las ineJsurc, shut their ey ea anding to all representations of and exd,iimA " Fiat jurtitia twat cathrmi" wilts that had ban 14111 on the 'ral:lc to and from the *Vist tfr i,now that the nor rts A t 7 1:1 411ti it and Ch'i' ti' fIC OA ~}'./ it tid fro4tl 1 rio Fto cxeced ca i ,e;,rl:tecn trom CirtN,t 1;11 .11:10r,t in. cirLtt 4,roiiou 13 Coe ye4r; 119 NM of Sh i ps, comprising 33,000 tone, had cleared outwards for the, West Indiesi It 'would be a derelidion of the'swful trust reposed, by the people in Parliament were they to hazard 4e mense revenue resulting from this trade, a revenue on which we principally depended fur the auppnytof our Naval and Military Establishment. Mr. BA/WAM was bound to declare,' that he retained the same seotiments oo the subjed as he expressed last year. What was desirable then, was now necessary. Divesting the af. fair of all extraneous matter, he div ided it into four heads—the general policy, the pradicability, the danger to the Colonies, and the injustice to in diViduals. With ragard ro the policy, as we pus. sassed the trade of the whole world, the loss of One single branch of our commerce was of less portancc ; it was .desirable ,that we should ra. titer contrutt our commercial concerns 'than extend them. As to the pradicability, he had certainly once considered it as not easily pradieable; but his opinion was altered. Few. Foreigners with large Capitals would haiard them at this moment in she. colations to the West Indiett ; St. Domingo would not serve as a depot for Slaves, from which they might be smuggled into Jamaica. A wish to co. operate with us in tile design- bad been mani fested by several Foreign Powers, so that he had little doubt, were this Bill passed, that the re. suit would ultimately he the total Abolition of the Slave Trade by every Nation of Europe. Of the existence of danger in such a measure he had always expressed his convklion, but though there was danger in the Abolition of the Trade, there was Much more in the continuation of it. The .fate of St. Domingo should be a serious warn. ing to us on this head, and should deter us from adding daily to the number of Blacks now in our Islands : he spoke disinterestedly, for few estates Were in greater want of additional Slaves than his own. — On a former occasion, he had suggest. ed the sending of Sepoys from the East Indies to serve as Troops in the West ladies ; and he was- not without hopes that this suggesti'm had attradled the notice of Government. It appeared to hina to be a mode happily calculated to remove a considerable part of the danger justly to be appre hended from the further increase of Africans. After a few more observations, Mr. BARHAM COHCillited with making a few remarks on the unanimity of sentiment among the Planters of the West Indies, of which so much had been said. Without meaning the slightest disrespeCt to those Gentlemen, he must remind the House, that the interests of va. rious classes of people materially affefted their opinions ; and it was not surprising . that .a set of Merchants deprecated' a measure, which, in their belief, threatened to prevent further extension of their commerce. • General TARLETOIV should he unfit to hold his seat in ,that House, as well as ungrateful to his Constituents, if be did not make every isffort to defeat this Bill. The Trade of the City which be represented would he deeply affeeted by this measure. One hundred years ago the population of Liverpool did nut exceed 2560; its shipping amounted to zoo. barks, and its capital . did not ex. ceed 20001. At present that City had soon Ships floating, and its seamen were as good as any in the Empire. Its populationwas 80,000, and its capital of 20001. had been iocreased to as many millions, and all this improvement had arisen, in a great measure, frtmz the Slave Trade. The agitation of the quefaion of Abolition of the Slave Trade had unfurled the standard of the Rights of Man, which had produced so many miseries to mankind. He did not impute to the non. Mover principles of Jacobinisto, though this measure was calculated to promote them. He had paid a visit of curiosity to Pavia in 1791, and on his expressing a desire to attend one of the Jacobin meetings to the Marquis De La Fayette, was informed that his person w ou ld not be safe them, as he had opposed the Abolition of the Slave Trade—whereas if Mr. WILifiIiFOACE had 'beers there, he would have received, in all probahi. 1 4, the fraternal hug from the 'resident (a l au gh!), and, in fart, a Diploma of jaeobinism, he believed, had been sent to that Honourable Gentleman. He approved of the idea of employing soots Negroes in arms, but could not see how they who supported this measure could reconcile such a scheme with it. On the whole, therefore,. he should oppose the Mr. FULLER did not know how far the re port of the Contrail for getting the gOOO Negroes for soldiers was in Ole pre sent i nstance weiLf nunt led, but such a report had certainly prevailed en a for mer occasion, He thought that those who resided on the spot were the best judges of the propriety of the measure, and contended that the Report of the Committee of the Honse of Assembly was better authority than the assertion of the lion. 1171: in ber who had just sat down, and had Imerted that the present was the best time fur abolishing the'rude. A strong reason in favour.of the Trade was, that the cultivation of coffee would require a considerable increase in the number Of Slaves, and that the pro. due of that article might be. . carried to the amount ut 1,000,0001, sterling a-year. The present 'popti !Minn would not supply sufficient for the co m mon management' of the Settleinents„ He complained, that there was no Clame in the 'for compensating any losses that would arise from the operation of t h e Bill, an d contended, that the Hun. Gentleman wonld not dare to interfere in the case of a Turnpike Road or a Canal, or with any man's property in this Country, without giving him first a full equivalent. Agentl, he Maintained, had the same right to con. siti c r a tion that the Planters had. lie did not im- Tote any unworthy Motives Cu the supporters of the Bill ;' b at he was convinced, that as the man who ptrtended to more courage titan another had gene_ rally less, so he who pretended to more religion than others, was often the greate4l cheat. Mr, tiILEY AO9/NGTON had given more consideration to this stittia that) anyother that had come under his ohservation in Parliament, and )et his opiniln remained unaltered. Ile was convinced that the measure wiiS impracticable, and that so tar f or m promoting t!i: interet a itt humanity, it st - . . tend to de tellormc the condition of the Airiciin., vvtiatever vopolar odium [night be attacllol m t h e avowal of h; (pinion,. he could not avoid exprc4. sing it, whilA lie admictO, he W 45 00$ !Atwell terested, not had connexions interested in the con. sequence of the measure. Mr. BAR ftiim expl4ined. _ _ Sir WM. PULfENEY considered the advantages held out from the meabure-aLtheoretical, whilst the dangers were certain. He had lived lung enough to know the uncertainty of theories. The West Indies could not be cultivated by Europeans, and in warm climates subsistence was so easily procured, that the people would not work if not urged to it. The measure then under consideration was not the best mode of obtaining the objet professed. It would be much more likely to produce the end desired, without any of the mischief, if the importation of Slues was to be rendered more difficult, so as that the persons now in the Trade might have time to accommodate their circumstances to the change. Theory and pratlice were different. He had known many theories supported by splendid eloquence, which afterward 4 burst into air. The great Duke of Marlborough was a great Statesman and Soldier, and always calculated consequences, which these figurative Gentlemen never did. The disproportion of Blacks to Whites being as 30 to t, was now a cause of danger to the Colonies, and would be more formidable if new ideas were to be introduced amongst them. Mr. FOX deprecated the mode of argument that had been adopted by the Hon. Baronet in his ge. neral declamation against eloquence. He was at some pains to conjecture what theories the Hon. Baronet had alluded to, but his declamation, he contended, would lead to a paradoxical conclusion which the Hon. Baronet had not in his contempla. tion, namely, that all measores which were elo. quently, that is, ably supported, ought to he dreaded. It had at one time, during / the French Revolution, been an opinion, that of all aristocracies the aristo. cracy of talents was :the most dangerous. As to theories, undoubtedly many had failed, though ably supported in the first instance, as others had by. the weight of numbers against them; but what was the theory in the present instance ? that no ad. vantage was to be derived from the Abolition of the Trade ; and what was the fad t that much mischief existed, and considerable danger would arise 'from continuing it. As to the idea of making the Alio. lition gradual, he thought the lapse of thirteen years since the sense of Parliament had been pro. nounced on the injustice of the Trade, without any plan having been produced by the Genticmeu using this reserved argument, was the best answer to it. He hoped, therefore, that whatever opposition might be made to the measure, the continued di. claration of the sense of the House of Commons upon it would have the desired effed in promoting its adoption. Mr. IIUDDLESTON ably followed on the same side. He trusted that the British Legislature, in abolishing this infamous traffic, would remove the greatest opprobrium that ever attached to its conduti. He contrasted the situation of the African Slave with the comfort of the Hinduo Peasant, and con cluded an able speech with an eloquent panegyric on the condud of Mr. WiLBERFORCR. The CHANCELLOR of .the oEXCHEQUER did not mean to enter into the Debate, he meant only to say a few words on the suhjed of the con. met that had been alluded to. The fad was, that no such contraet had ever existed. An application had been made from the West Indies ttl that effea, but had been rejeaed by the Government. He did not deny, however, that it was in contemplation to employ Free Blacks as Soldiers. Mr. u LLEAL and General GASCOYNI severally explained. . The Que'Rion being then loudly called fur, Mr. WILBERFORCE felt it necessary to say a few words, in order to make good the ground that had already been gained, least it should he con cluded from his silence, that he had given up the opinion, that the Slave Trade was codttsty Cu jus. tice. When the subject had been first discussed, a great'majority of the House had voted the Trade unjust, and, the only difference amongst them was, whether it ought to be immediately or gradually abolished I They had all agreed on the necessity of removing this foul reproach from the national charader; and he sincerely regretted, that they who differed with him as to the 'time, had confined themselves to opposing his measure without pro. posing any plan of their own in its place.—He argued, from the example of the United States of America, that the natural increase was sufficient to keep up the numbers even in climates less conge. nial to the Negroes than the West India Islands.— Nothing could tend more to increase the profits of the Proprietors and Planters than the Abolition 'of the Slave Trade: the facility with which Slaves were procured at present being the cause of their being treated with no management or care. He abstained from entering into the particulars of the treatment of the Negroes, as that could only create mutual irritation ; but the treatment was altogether such as to degrade these unfortunate beings below the level of the human species, to be adua'ted only as brutes, by the whip, to the total exclusion of the impulse of the reasoning faculty. He wished to render the Ne. ' groes a happy and industrious peasantry, and to prevent the mischief of their making use of their physical force to the destrudion of their masters.— The example of a neighbouring Island was sufficient to prove to our West India Proprietors that the Negroes were capable of fowling plans on distant views, of maturing their designs with secrecy, pur. suing them with industry, and executing them with vigour. He looked upon it as madness to de.. sire ermancipation at present ; but he knew there were among the Proprietors themselves some wh o looked forward with pleasure to the time when it may take place with Safety and advantage. The Colonial Assemblies felt no hope of the Abolition but (torn the British Parliament, though it was the best gift that could:he conferred on the Island, anti the most certain means of their prosperity. Lord TEMPLE wished to know whether IVl,tjesty's Government had not contratted, or ot. fertai to contratt, for 5000 Negrqes, he did not bay to be imported, but to be. tarnished in the blat.ti goi. or 601. a man, by Decerntter next, to tierve bi soldiers underststouti that 3 Mcr. thanq in Liverpool was now firtirx out a vessel for the Chart ot Africa ittttort N , ltroc,) with u viety to this eottrit:t. P~ MAILS. AR.RIVZD-3 Waterford. DUE-8 Ilambingh, 3 Gottg n " burgb, t Dublin, t Waterford. PRICE OF STOCKS Tali DAY ♦T TWIILVIL O ° Cl..OCi. Consols sS 01110111111 THE SUN• 8014 M Qufs Dicta& fAL&UM AVOtAT? LONDON, LIDAY, MARCH 1 1805• WE this morning received the American Pe to the 3d ult. The Trial of the A,merievi MS" is at length concluded ; the majority of the Seol ge voted them guilty, the numbers being 13 504 . 0 bur, as by the Law of America, a majority oft llP thirds is necessary for the conviilion of the pet o accused, the Defendants were acquitted. We have extrasted the only articles of impafr in these Papers. Tars morning we received liataburgh , P o P" the 9th ult. The intelligence they bring hes becor' s a great measure, anticipated by the Dutch ?e h a The following arc the only Articles any W att ; e mac which we have net already laid her," s/i . Readers. There is also in these Paper,' e Bette from Madrid, containing a communication fogi. Roche,- of the date of the 6th J anua ry, stati 4 Lag t de the ravages oi'tlie Fever at Gibraltar hid .° creased; which we know to be false. VIENNA, JAN. 26.—The new French sador, M. Da LA Roc H E FOU CAVIDI Will Veil ° make his pubic entry.' GassaA r (0 61 Mr. ARBUTHNOT, who goes A ni rr - t h• England, to Constantinople, and who tr eight days ago, is arrived at Trieste, whence proceed to Constantinople on board an Engligh, gate, accompanied by several English Gentle Comrnnst MILAN, JAN. PrOVlSiProvisionaryhas been appointed here to determ ine in the last w. instance on the legality of Prizes, m ade by Pr teers under the Fl a g of the Italian Rep nblie. r hat t ALeghern, where the infeetious distomp e now ceased, sixteen Merchant Ships have en ter the harbour betwee n the 3oth of Decensher4P", stl T 1 of January, neces necessary measures of precaution have si pe tit adopted in the Rep u blic of the Seven Islantioll e r the epidemic di s te m p e r which has preva iled it horn. Tits Bill intended to procure a Issrs-fn : of es Sanction to. the Abolition of the SlavVliCe last night rejeded in the House of Cont ( P Gnt a s i, -The subjea of this Trade has been so d tgn iog " i s cussed, that'it may be thought that nothing 0 . can be said on the score of policy, inte rest° C : f tit inanity. It is, however, a question of ' sr : Y : l of rn!gnitude, and connected with such * vl r '" o r comidetations, arising -from' its own n atur i . 4 o ol well as from the possible views and condo° d (3- of t States, that it requires the most grave 'l n 111 1 11 / 1 1 reflection. The interests of humanity mart ell a S press strongly upon i Legislative Bodies, A t aler upon private individuals ; hut it ought to he ob , clearly manifested, that when vast cornmerciati jeCts are brought into hazard, the real lot act i o, humanity are likely to be essentially and Pe thi ently . eifeded by any proposed measur e ', ~„p a ili present moment, therefore, the friends of nu', ol l l l will 'themselves, perhaps, wish to pause , l est l ij ble indulgence of feelings in the highest degre e li h rij it and honourable, .they may suggest Pions th at, and • not properly matured, may, in the end, fr utts 'o ol very objeds which those feelings lir 0 3 ° 11 1111 to secure. .................... IVA 1 0/ 1 Yesterday, was a private Levee, at the Queen's Hou se ' The i C aall':nr:Cild(liCi9leHHl Imperialit t :n a c T ni‘ r iec o s(i tt 'Ali o )ll ; l:l‘ B :‘:: : leiwt r rs o taP r edtr i livv( N riboc o lee t :° . gC sii kgri • l'uL :l icg i ' c fs;;ll9 ' ;:el::::l:l°Gc-c ;" 4:11:1111:1: ci c n s o\ t liv : a : i it tign Lord MuLca.AvE, Lor ' d ?At/ 1 ' 811 :0 15 ' Waiting, Admiral CAMP, Sirs S.SMIII4'.. 111 , ELL. MO tools 1 11 1 1 ry C () - 110 wing Presentations to MI —, rtt l place :—Sir Si DNFY SMITH, WhO 0 1 : - „ S ie rtr„ 7 I,s. Afteri A jt El T ri: b l e, consequenc e ei , t.,( i n ll iip ul. p T 0 t i :f w 1 :::::_ot: 1 0 :: i tartion to be Colonel of Marines, wtts P, (4 , Bc „ c esi l T he. had the 'lira' CAmr, I :tom Portu I by the 11 , °t ' ' , g a I , ti , Ambassador. 0 P" I'l fll;tlr.,,Aii EnfoTY e ll - 1 , 41-I(lterlet! to 1..,,f)rd Nivt.- ' d Mr, 111 . 1, I . , r I Prize sell, I Mad / A! ettli2 All NI % etAlyi Sale, Sail tl thc 1 441 PJ 01 tll 4 ! l °Ut SI till ti $a r il alo er T 1)7 The CIIANCELLOR of the EXCIIIQUEX knew nothing of any such transatlion. The House divided, when there appeared-- For reading the Bill a second ri m e now 70 Against it - 77 Majority 7 Gen. CASCOYNEPS Amendment, "that the hilt be read a second time this day 6 months," was then carried without a division. The other Orders Were gone through.—Adjourned.