The Sun. — London, England, 1852-03-20 00:00:00

I TILE SUN, pr"Lg for Yin •••••••La..... ?r ote an inquiry into the cause of the expulsion of atl at th lnerS from cS . Pr a"SWELL presented .8. petition from Cavan,m~°Z for p rotect i on to agriculture. , tii EYNOLDS presented a petition from some. of if street Saiings Bank depositors, praying the kit l ae to compensate them for their losses through the O rd O f Me bank. ' Pik e ' • DUNCOMBE presented. two petitions from k a , th e West. Riding, one in favour of the Phar -11 till, and the other against the Msynooth grant. fr k a. 4 .WART presented, a petition, praying that_ the amiss ma ii be - conferred on all persons purchasing t to — ted annuities in savings' banks above - a certain oMit, 4.5 1 . d JOUN RUSSELL presenting a petition from . l i tZ ers SuElk, praying for the repeal of the matt _ . ?strb i , s ls4 . J•o' NNELL presented a petition from a p pi rre . — y c e a ° M - plaining of a forged petition that was t i es *. et • ed last year trom.the same.placeageaqieisrtythe e Ee laAe I Titles Bill, and praying for 1 i The ''' ll/Irlhi e Member gave notice that, on Monday he -1 v1 °,411 that - the petition - be . printed the votes, ' l l the view of roundin a resented p 1:: from ih S t i i :; L kYLES GRAHAM. a pet " 'n Suffolk praying fe p r the repeal . of the malt tux. 1 G . ROGAN ' 'presented a Onion from Weather- L° Yorkshire, against the Maynoo,b grant. NOTICES OF MOTION. h -r* REY /S gave notice that next Thursday .. he 1 ",. 1 i ask the Right Honourable Gentleman the be 'etlirsifor the Rome Dvsrtment what provision was 11, 11 4 4 4 1 1 the State for the religious instruction of t S eotiii n nd eatholic prisoners condued, in . the prisons o ise, Sit i.PE LACY EVANS gave notice that in going t u - th r tnitit:e uf o r f ifi S , tl e pF u l ,i lie should move a resoluta) 11 . 11 ,,X 8 il u l ti rOF COM ' MERCE WITH. BELGIU.{,N.I. t elder an THOMPSON wished to ask the i l l. 4 ti O ty njAhe m Presider tof the Poor-law Board if the had been LeOmmeree b.tween this tiouritry and . Bt'lglum - Nfied, andif wb,n it would bekid on thetable. /dr-HENLEY replied in the negative. posT.HURSE DUTY. ,Co6eI•SISTHORP wichi•d tb . ask Chancetior of tt ": Exchequer er . the compininis,of the ,post-mas relative en the post hone duty would meet with an tA l3l"e' ensideratia, and whether he intended to give any .4011- to his proposal to , redude the'ditty of 2 00 17: " 1 4' Which- - wes it present imposed on 1, ~ .cummtitt fire , slaw policies. - • eEI ANC EDLOR •of the EXC HEQUER',h9gged 4: 111 .at"-• it was hiedtry . to take into consideration 4,,PPoisible - .him that etitild behijed in favour of s lit . ' d'the• Hon. and Gal u Of 14,1att611. the Wag. ur . kpl y 7 e tnbeetiiditld not press hits for, a more ,definite .. v at vo mi t , - iii;A n ,LIT . "EDUCATION'IN IRELAND. e :'••"' T i B R.NE-aiked the SeCietary of Sta . te . for the 4 1 (1 4 11 ,ii - ,ePsittneni. whether it was the. intention of her It ti et(l e t itu sttnisters l to .prop i o n s t e o tbeaPpointme nt of a Se , the system of nation al isl e s a vieve'of introducing any t 0 alteration in the principle of united at itt o ;7 l 'th that System, was found ; k f b. to move `for the appointment of' such a Corn eeo • - r : re ziasterr .k,,,,, Aa , POLE said it was not intended . to propose it si ( 4,` - 'eltritit.t ee this session, and when it was h proposed °/ 111 be for the purpoge of altering t° 41114' PrrestietentiPfstenf'' priocip r le but to render It more ;titis .,. fac . 9t I+ nd heai.) • Ins "Eit AFFE e a 0 A . R . Li OF ItEAL .. TII:RILT.. : .. 0 i Nr•„Y.to Sir G. PE HELL, -the EXCHEQUER. slid it ' they , hr.r l6 4iii on,:ith this, AUL 40-4 11 giu - • f', •• . EP- ESTATES ACT. ThvROAILLY,-ttsa -41?te l ,ANCEULOR•of , the EXCHEQUER, said 1, r-r‘meci to continue thiefAct: . whietv exptres next i'pli,tvrelseutenths longer.-(Hear, hear.) Ig';; ; ', I3 X;IO.IRISES (SCOTLAND) ,BILL. : . , & PLY' t4l4r.kYsvvALD,, 41 tlit;;• _..ANOKENZIE - if he' olitainedun ?PlM gritkfitii.esss4ithietill before Esster., • , 4 ) • 16TIth I'ARL ME:NT; -EXPLANATIONS. tile odEIX RUSSELL, whose. appearance was °ls , L ,* zz ti -ifor silecoe throughout the House, 01/),-7akiii....r,iiish to p u t gurstio? of very great Ch i r *ee to th` e R l2 .- lion. Gentleman ?ppm o..th nc..tii • H. , ost ,, iwili recntltqA. 'qt! h ° r , of the Exehequer. Trip ti tt, 4 (l -ilt li , d,ty•taKin'ari4ver - to'a qup , tion, / tat ed " ) tleni;l44 tii`(!:Secteisry ef §f,sie!or the Cohn , i , !, 14 1 ,: 4 i 8 44::, that he had intended tti bring t r odp C --(l4 ' . en with regard- tine dir.tr.ssint4 lfects - ;" th'frr ro. , aseres' regulating the importatie, hi 4 °7; but b,i,„, -6,,nsei,,us that the Governmen t bgt • • minority iu that, House, be did 44 tuiti k it p r o per to take that course , 11, o h : endeavour to attain his object by IA pa which he thought inost txpedient. H•l4 tai n M :further to sat/ that .he opieiun et,- th tli with regard to the distressing effects 4i tli ? S‘ : measures' was tictianged-that both t iNti tliei cioee to the . state of the and the th -°4 of fre e tra d e , hi s opinion' rvt"l'd he same kith were formerly --(Hear, ' hear.) He state d that he received almost . daily accounts * k t ikll77 West India colonies of the dis tress -"t ed there; but he went on to say, " without I all thi 4ndifferent to that distress he had determined th '' 1, 4 qnettion, and others of the same nature, ought ” O kt -c ilt fur the consideration of a future Parliament. % .' l 4 wer With regard to the distress which existed in the 4 ,4";, " , in n colonies, in reference to the policy pur hick L ee sugar duties, applies likewise to the policy ha b een pursued with regard. to t he q uestion of 4 I" . 'aws, and other questions of a similar nature. 141110,,---,ou3' will see, therefore,. that it is of the ' 1 1 14; i mportan ce t h a t it s hould , have some assurance subject.--(Cheers from the Opposition benche s .) k;i: • t - leet roer to what took place, on Monday night. ' \'4 l . t ju "Y ha s i n hi s recollection ,the speeches which I , kt li ' lla nt , 4tie hY the Right Hon. Gentleman the. Member • l 's -41 (Sir James Graham), :.the Member for the Lr ircZ rait Y " 1 Oxford (Mr. Gladstone), and the Noble 4 411 th e Member for Tiverton (Lord Paluiers pth jhe uostion which was asked me when • Its:. -° •vern l ra . ent, by Sir Robert Peel, in 1841, when l ots i f " a minority in that House, as record , d by bi a e !! 1 : 1 ti „, - th e Rouse, I ask of the Right Honourable - Et tle- ani viz, --,•whe,her her Majesty's Ministers t he l* Pared • ha .advise the Crown to dissolve, l ' - ' 1. 16 1)413en t kartilment and summon a new. ent with the least delay possible consistentwith 1 4 4 ; 'lard LoLothe, public interests inreferenee, to those of 0 - great a n d. urgent importance ? I trust na sa t go ne tt ° ll , Gentientin will give an. answer to that P tir•o cheers and Hear, hear," from the •-• ' , ~ • •• 4 ' lsl' x/ 116 ' C F III.I IsICELOR of the. EXCHEQUER said,' " °1 : 11 e Lord- has addressed to her Majesty's fGr.ovetrbne ()llt an uPtocedented question.-.(Loudcheers t.) Ip:ettlistent ./banches.) Th 9 Noble Lord has referred ho liteee4o l ;4' - of .1841 when ho sat` en the Tres*ury 1 XO6 avni.was,.the le.cle r of this Souse, but the Nobl e l is td wAI 4 00 v to remind him that.there, ►.a o°n -4table di ffklence DPI lit • . the, position of the!! who_ . this 'amt tL N,A",le Lord 111 th en period, t k" e - Q..vernme,,t bad been tll eeedeiwied;by a vote l o l f this • 11,,0,, e - (Continued Irons r le_h! )---and all the ,pre ,tl(.l3,i whi6h,si, • P. I_ r tic " a rr ,,. ? , occasiem, t4 l ' t th e pr .66i of .874, wire in a ainiilar to :trlY.--(Hear, hear.) .1- 11 3 all with !ere! cp 1 6 0 Ministry .that had b e en ,Li Co e n a d r 7 , l3 , ed by th :" The Nob:evuLtuerdf 14 %se of, Ceeow°".-..‘' ribed qu?stion 1107, " • t fore, ought to d e wed -(eh %ai r . TiA i r Igytt ' tn r" )rtan t th ar e 1 1 „ quill . gl s , ,a,re:PlY • kr\ 11 , I t hink it.hi . l4bls AlGe()9" t mot pledge il ,e that tt , ! ,, 4 t to advise her , 3°v _ eT w d,,-(Gontlu NIX! stated and ' 5 1" 11° Li s that tlle- Satno.cidarter'.) The L'l)°•e w Old Nr id ei tulat finces suddenly in. ig t ; °' iquifilko at (iv- pl.we 'Pk 7 A t . the' 44 1O, ' '''"' h at'Per ' h - SP ' s ' even - moat imertrticebe. is ing that it time have no hesitation iii i n •" 1 .0 Giongriu*P to Latbil'lntention .her Ma l" t Y • ii,ment -uvitiii,her • Majesty dissoliet. this - Par have 11 ,Ni ' 441 ? as those necessary , measures measures 4 4, 0 i\ l'lssA soon LS, those h 4 ts• pased .rather which are necessary for I c e , V et th v .-seatuity stud good f g. ti° m decision t4 r, 4 r - t e ft.of her- ilaimk.-(Cheer4'). Itewoi.4 7 1 o : " c y e t h% our the"of lii iilt\etitithnt, e'ill bo ,v4ecte,d, thatA the ito4 of elan p s ,di am „ nu y, be --taken ques- It ; 141 of' ': etr niltiente in the present 'Adratni i s i trati l t o e n e :, ',peasures . which they w l Ih rt• n t , duty::) under . those .circumstances to %` - , 46e i:'11 - a% course of the • ,prefent year.- Bo tt principally` frvin the-Gu*erument Side of the f , Lord _ On. ‘ 4 tilt ItUSSgLIA-I wish to ask the Right Whether hirincludee; .in the words "'good 4 14au • 4411 t ;of the realm," the measures which have lu te r ,t'arred to with regard to reform in Chancerynct e el 13 ANCELLO.R of the EXCHEQUER -I do • f ,. %lied *Pon to give any further . explanations. "ud i .. ti ll ter ind , Minrstertal-cheers.) , „ I .„„ttr ° ,?l T lNG A SAILOR OFF CALIFORNIA. • ri 4 4 e ' r A l Mr. W. WILLIAMS, 4;44 STAFFORD entered into a lengthened ex. ig ( 4 l% u is'usa to this occurrence. It was true a man was °I Wi, w hile in the sea, but it was exceedingly doubt tb4leir r t helt the sh o t hit th e ma n. A body. was foun d ?IL ttlie ship th e s h o t was fir e d from the next moru -411%1- it mast have been in the water some days, 11 sot have been that of the man shot at: In T RE. OUTRAGE AT FLORENCE. The - PAY to a ques tion thi q th eI IANCELLOR , of the EXCHEQUER stated 4 itac n s lelidence i n thi s e ase h a d . reached the Foreign- It appeared to afford no Justification whatever • _ g _s____----- i • -• for the outrage. A claim 'nod, therefore, been 'made , tended, - and that Hon. Gentlemen opposite' hid taken for upon the •Tuscan Govergment for compensation, ard, it their motto " Unus qut • n ts ob . •CU nctando restituit rem." ' - • was hoped that the claim would be freely met. No demand He believed that they were about, to run the race, and that 'had been made upon Austria, but the Foreign-ofce3 lied the Earl of Derby, knowing his cattle to be rather devoid reason to believe that Austria would be quite ready to had been made in Tuscany.. of speed, - but able to g o through wgreat deal of dirt, was support the claim th at about. to try what was known as a " waiting" race.- . Mr: ANSTEY gave notice that on Monday he should (Laughter.) He hoped, however, they would not be gulled put another questioo to the Right . Hon, Gentleman on in th a t way by a party whose principles were old though this very subject, namely, whether it was the intention they themselves were new in office. He trusted . they were of GOveroment . to use their geed Offices to obtain the not going to vote the estimates with the Protectionists in withdrawal of all the'Austrian t r oop sp , from the Italianpow who, on the very first occaeien, would either pro -, pose a *hied duty or make the public payi n some shape •or States.-(A laugh.)' -, • . other.-(Hear, hear.) Ile' begged ' the House to look for ' ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. .. one moment at the construction of the Ministry. Hon. '' It was thehrigreed that the House at its rising should Gentremen opposite had now the demure look of official adjourn until Monday ',ext. , ' .. •• • men, blit they had been heard speaking in the . House and , . SUPPLY. • out of the House-at clubs -at dihners - and at great gather- The House then resolved itself into a Committee of ings of farmers in Deuryslane. He remembered once going Supply, Mr. BERNAL in the chair. , • incog.-(Laughter)-when he heard the Earl of Matinee- Mtijor BERESFURD said ho would ask the House to bury make a most ferocious . Proteetiohist speech.; and when show him a little forbearance on this occasion, as the es- the Chowlers and Jowlers congratulated the meeting and timatds which it was his duty to bring ferhard• were not the speakers on the • great Britsprinle of Boni'th cause, which unless carried into ' effect, the eh wuld 'cease to wee am le exist:- (Loud latightete) Was the question, then, of pro of hie'Preparihg. 1113 brqu set. for nerd the estimates et P --.. tection to' be • Cushioned, or ' was the thimble-rig' to be the late Government, Nit' he fChneilered there -practised? 'The . farmers - Were beieinning to find out who reason for asking the House to si.ncdon t h h • eosealt se .would had been thus prepared. • Ho, he . q . ;.cl t f _ were ' their real ftiends; and if they ready history at all beer ,with him as he was .setering - just. noW, rum severe_ _ (Latighter)-they 'would' call to mind a certain Lord Stanley •aint his conduct on a celebrated -occasione-that • indisposition. The . Ho use were aware p at the. army es &taws comprised 17 ,votes. all 'having referenc e to Cord Stanley who was 60 p ro fuse of - his expression of different . beenches of the serviCee It was his inten- attachMent and friendship •to Richard 111., and whose tion to go men the 17 voted.`and tt would 'then be cond uc t ' H ume d escr ibed as so equivocal that both se en ,hat the most imp .rteet vote wss "-r anitioreesdre partieS were, puzzled at his proceedings; for he had ar' number of men,. tied the charges' , eeces e a ry to pay ranged 'matters so nicely - that,' he was prepared to join either that increased Polisher The first vote was for the l au d side. -(Renewed laughter. y' He theught the farmers Might forces; the nUmber of ms=s: asked was 101,937, which versa refer to that' period, and ask themselves whether the same 3,23 9 over the number for 1851 , 2. .. The charge for the proceedings were not about to be practised by the Earl • of l an d forest; was 3;602,067/ o being 80,99.71. snore thee lest Derby in 1852; which his disloyal mid treitherous ancestor year. The next vote was for Muff 169.607/., beine 9,6,751. practised in 148 (Cries of " Oh:") The.thtiongizeatsv in the blood, and , might come out. He 'wished more thin feet eeer.• Thetis 's; vote fsr public hee e r t - Earlof Derby whether they were prepared to pin the to merits, 95 9571., being 3,2101. more than last yews • N, x- his statement of test year. If they were not prepared to do the }islet - Military Ostler:l.7 1411., being 2401. m,yk• so, then, he repeated, the . country might rest assured the than 'last year: Next vote, &Val' Military Asylum, Scc, thimble-rig would be brought into to play -(Cheers.) The 17.5361,,' being , ' 4514. iess, thad . 'hist year. I\Tcxt vok, the term had been applied by that Noble Earl himself to the 84 000/.'for volUntwer corps, belh . gr 19,000/ more than Government of Earl Grey, which, at all events, was open, Ise telex. Che obar ge 0 .. Wo al- consia! et re wao - bn i. ,, in its policy. With reepect to, the preeent Cabinet, he military seo,v ic,-,-,15 643/, Army pay of gent3rel officsre,d an amalgamated society of thought they . might be carte chairman Ofquarter sessions.- (A laugh.) There were elm.- 61,00010 'this latter '9,000/ more than last year. Th., . . , ' h 'ff • in teen gentlemen leagued toget er-di ering many things, iiegt votes would , ben for ;full pay for retired officers, but agreed itione-to raise the price of bread to tee poor man, A 0,0004; half-pay anti --military allowances, 365,000/.; _(Cheers, and cries of "Oh," from the . Ministerial side.) ioreign half pay, 36,9160; • witiews' eensioris, 119;3871.e If Hon. - Gentlemen were - consistent, such would be their compseeionate allow eece, 83;oo01. ; in-p: , toious• 28 ; 8151 . ; policy; but he had a suspicion that they intended to throw butperisiOns, 1,236,80311 and superannuation allowance; the farmers overboard.-(Hear, hear.) Like his ancestor in :37.5001,, exhibiting ti decreese . on the various i , e , L5 Of the time of Richard•lll., the Earl of Derby had appealed to 38,252/. The effsches feivion would require 3 986,3081. the clergy-eVidently in the hope that he might be able The note ffdetive,,.2,024,064/ The real cause ut . ' the le would to govern without protection, and that the . people • - . support 'Min • because he supported the Church of England increase was owing to the Kafir war. The estimates, ashe ri ciples. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the h.d stated; wereeorreed by his predecessor, .and,, io .hie l Ex a chequer had been consistent. The Right Hori. Gentle Man Opinioc, they proved that hie desire was to maintain the had always stated that the government ought to be con efficient:), of the service and the credit of the country. ducted on the territorial principle, and that ' the Govern- The estimates seemed to have been framed with a desire ..ment had been constituted on that principle. There were to pronithe • economy-an example which it 'would' be 13 Ministers-either representatives of great territorial his ditty to folk.w. He censidered it • was necessary to possessions, or of agricultural constituencies. ' These 13-a look strictly into every just and legitimate expense. He baker's dozen-were -leagued-leagued together for the had in the eailieet•dea days ef his' manhood had the 'honour Purpose of putting a tax on the poor man's bread.-(0h.) - of nerving her Majesty abroad, and .he had found out ' • Let the House Consider how the rest of the Government was cohstructed: There were seven county Members who that there were two kinids of economy, a proper and a represented exclusively agricultural constituencies. Theia legitimate economy, arid a paltry sootiemy, or economy were ten of those who had the smallest constituencies in the of a. pentiy•wise and pound•fnottsh character. He bad, country. To take 'them alphabetically, there was As learned that though ex , ravaganee might he injurierea te Abingdon-represen ed by the Attorney-General, whose th- dunntry, that a false economy was metre rnisaie . . constituents numbered only 320, and to whom he had pro- Your, - because it impaired the efficiency of 'a • service . mis P- so' fond were they of him-Abet he would never pre which, wnattv,, , r unit: ht be said, hed 'always upheld the' sent himself to them •again.(Laughter.) The, Right Hon. honour rend dignity of the catnitret in a way Which, it it them agai n .tned Gontleman told them that he would noe gO to g* The Attorne -Gensral-" No." The Right slid not excite gratitude, ought to proveke admiration. __, [ . y . . 3 in g be hoped he she'll., Hon. Gentleman might have some legal quibble reserve, • 'Thee. paltry and dangerous economy h • never practise.-(Hear.) As far, as,t e varioutidepart: t ke the but did he mean to say that he would' go to Abingdon at the next election? - The next' place was Chichester. Was 'ments were concerned, he would endeavour, to t r3:l the Member for that town the kepresentative of a populous service efficient, and at the same time to•secure. e cotn , constituency?,. Lid not "Dud " tell them that the Duke of forts of the British soldier. ' He to move tne Ri •chninn , • e,s• • thfluente •in that borough was paramount? So, first vcitit of 101.937 tontine ' s • ••. . • in Buckingham-the inflieenets of the Duke of Beekingham W WILLIAMS • objected th the. Mr.' . in- • .. . proposed . wee paramount. Then , therethe Secretary for ore fish o ef that there was the Citibank with a ' • f tere ' army, 'sort proteste.. . s, constituency of 500. The 'fs ars which had re next was the Right Honourable the President of no necesaitY • for - it. The .,,, . cottutry anout . roreign the 'Board of Control, the nominee of Lord Exeter. erode , ' prevailed in the . ncl, 'be hoped , the Cern- •--:(01 . 1.) - Did' any • Hon. 'Member presume to contradict invasion , were groundleas, e • e sti ed this'in'- "Doti ?"- (A laugh.) It was notorious that Lord Exeter miptee.. would .hesttate b,.. fore they t!-; . , 0: , i iii , 4 owned the greater part of the 10/. houses in Stamford. With Creased expense to the Scate• - ( -1-40 ° n ' an '''Y - regard to the Home Secretary, he thOught he should be in •the , benefit ot; • an effi and martue service c i eu t Racy the House, whatever place he represented, but hoped to see looluding a .fitte . body of constabulary and ye.. him returned for a more important place than Itlidharst, with ' • • aud• these. add , d to • the only 300 electors, and under the infl.ence of Lords Egre maury cavalry force , ._ s egregate force of' Mont and Digby. - TheSe ten Members' Were the representa tegele.r ' angry, nisde"ati • then that torte tives - of only 3,020 voters; Honourable Gentlemen opposite UpWards of 191,000 men. Surely, , • .. had "ask for confidence popular - ' the coun,ry•- egathst theno right to was amply 1 91, 0 0 ?.o to prON?Ct - sick and tired of For his own part he regretted that a direct vote' of want of at.ecka of any weedier; but tte` was i fete bugbear, confidence had'not been moved.' He had no confidence in the -talking eb :iie isivision ; it h was a , C ' Da ' have eve , t h e Ministers. He believed they had none in themselves. If they At all events, ebould it vete turn out. to . . as, , e,. . had, why cid . they not declare the, principles which they shad,,w of a 't6iindation,' the. force he had j , ,. field professed in opposition how that they ' had been' placed in set ibed•,would be found quite enough to gs into the power by the unpardstiable weakness of the Noble Lord.- wiiie --(Deer, been) . ( Hear, hear. )• Forbearance had been asked on behalf of m- their law reforms. • • Mr. B: OSBORNE said that under • an y other circu Lord St. Leonard's was not a violent law stanaea than those which existed he should hive apologised reformer wheri a Member of that. House, but was a bigotted Houle and the Tery, ancroppoied every measure of use reterm. As re `for the course he was about to fake, The. . '' sPeeteddhelegal members of • the Guverninent, ' the House d a con ought were, however, • •placed M. :so' . unprecedented (talon that he did. not feel , narrented . in, alf•ming the vote serted Sir Robert Peel; far deserted that statesman was, to pass as a mere matter of course. F ' rOill the answer given - , ," In his utmost need, Noble to-night by the chancellor of the Exchequer to . the Its ...y those his former bounty feed.", Lord the Member for the city. of Loilden it- , did not appear -(Cheers and 'oh.) Law reform .might be Purchased too that 'matters in that House were in a, more clear or more dearly, and he was not prepared to' sacrificee free trade to satisfactory state than they. were in) on Friday night lest. it -(Hear, hear;) His opinion was . that neither men nor lie was one of those Members who dissented from the course money ehould be granted till the Ministry diclered their taken by the.N i ble. Lord the Member for London in throw- principles.-(Hear, hear.) , So much for the English ap ing up the government in the way he bad dene It was poihtments. He' should not make any allusion to the Secre u fair, :.mettly because a local, militia, led by a fereign, tart' at War, for he was not 'in a . position to make any had • ,accidentally: , defeated ;,the., Noble Lord, that general, . answer.- - ,(" Hear, hear," from "Meier Beresford, and "I'll g reat principles should• -be ,endangered by minor dere- an swer any q :es ion.") ' If there was one appointment more. Noble d een ces of opinion. .H e thought the , Lord had than another Which would disentitle the. Government to acted also Luoadvisedly in naming the Earl of Derby as teemed respect it was that of the Secretary 'at War: s: (Oh.) the only man, fit to govern the country, when there were After the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman at die haat many other,Nohle Lords and Gentlemen, quite as able to lags. whe .he told the people ,plainly he • did not • care for form . an Administration , whic h would be more. entitled. them, he thought he was not entitled to represent = a - populous to' the support: of. the - L ibe r el part y , and more ,popu ar . constituency.' With regard to the 'lrish appointments, he with the country generally. He therefore dissented fron c ertainly rejoiced that there was' .no Irishmen in the Cabinet, callidg Lma Derby to •the . cou ncils of her Majesty, and , because that would'have been productive of unlimited' mis puttingehe powerful. b u t dangerous party on the be nches chief to Ireland. If there wasto be a Lord-Lieutenant at opposite. lie thought that an amalgamated party might a e e p ee heblythe late appointment was 'as good a one as easily ,have been formed, which• weild. have preserved free,. could have been made; but when he looked to the appoint . trade ane effected useful reforms. •But now that Lord Derby tents which had been made he had not much 'confidence and gentlemen opposite were xeally in office, he thought on that . head. The appointrisent of Mr. Lefroy to the bench they werg bound to, tell , the Howie and the country on what was most mischievous; and g man most opposed to the eye princi•ples , they intended. to conduct ,their Government. He tern of notional education had been selected as chaplain. Dr. did not, therefore, think the present an unfitting 'occasion Singer, who had propotted the Right Hon. Gentleman. at the a gain:to endeavour to worm ,from. the Hon., G en tl e men an list election for the University of Dublin,' was one of the most the other side what the,principles ,were on which. they. in 7. . imp l aca ble . bigots against the• Roman Catholic 'religion in tended to conduct the government of the country. What-. Irelind:(lean hear.) With regard to the legal appoint ever oipm , ree ted on, the. late Government- he must: say- mea ts, he confessed that he entertained a feeling o f great re and he was not one of their flatterers-s-they had at least, spect for the Right Hon. Gentleman. the Attothey-General the virtue of being above-board, in the expression of their fir Ireland, but his 'dislike of the Rotnan Catholic religion 1 - y andshad declared do_ the House and the people the w as notorious , and he could not not be expected to -possess po ic , principles. by , which _. they were guided. Their successors, _the confidence of the Irish people. - The' sooner the Reglit • were a pa rty of gentlemen, who had monopolised th them- lion. Gentleman was elevated . to seat On the bench the bet :elver the name of. -the Country. party.. They pretended to 'ter. With regard to the Solicitor -General he confessed that for be more English than the English themselves. They were him also be had a great respect. But in that House the Hon. now in power, auelebyet species_of. mystification were endeas. , and Learned •Gentleman opposed . emery measure of reform, vouring t o conceal the doyen foot ,of protection under the , and his • speeches out of . the House deprived him of smock frock of • official reserve-7(A laugh.) : Was that the confidence of the Irish people: Then there was their hnst and open ? Wass it not rather what might-e Yen Secretary' for • the Treasury . (Mr. - 'G. AS Harald . tarilV - he " led a must shuffling and dishonet.ist ten s - another representative of - the University of Perhamen course for statesmen topursue? He alid not observe t e Dublin. Now he (Mr.'Osborne) 'should . say that any Go- . Chancellor of the Exchequer in his place-(Mr. Disraeli vernm ent that was 'so unfortunate as to have two repro entered the House sh ortl y afterwards)-but he thought the sentatives of the University of Dublin amongst its prominent "proper time had arrived when the Right Hon. Gentlemen members-could not be entitled; considering the opinions which ought to tell them whether he meant to propose the question prevailed in that university, to the 'confidence of the Irish of. protection in any sha p e-either as a fixed duty, or by people. lie saw the Noble Lord the. First Commissioner of ti j •gelery - itt the shape tfecompensationsto the landed A Woods and Foresta (Lord ‘L'Manners) stniling • that Noble interest. As a, Member of a liberal constituency ha f9.. u h n : Lord had'every reason to smile, because his Own poetical no'fault.with theoalavation to potVer of :the Right, n . d'd he ' while fire come to pass, ad coinineree'wah at 'a discoUnt, 'Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer, nor 1 .. while theold nobility had got`it all theie own - way. They bean, to throw in the teeth of Hon.'Gentlemen oppositiet had heard the•Aciministration of' "all the talents," and be that they were new and untried men. He was pt•etty , dared say that posterity would remembei the " Aeministra convieced, however, that it required no great conjuror aftert tine of all the squires" in the year 1852.-(Hear, hear.) But, all to he. a Mioister of State, and that if a man' had moderate for his part, be did•not wish to see in office men Whose con abilities, .a respectable, character, and great attention, if victions would run counter td their - actions ; and he - could not might, even though a chairman_ -of quarter seshons, e, help stating that, if he were to give any support to the pre he,,had fixed principles, as well qualifie i for office as any sent Government , it could only be on the ;ground that they other man. Bat be that as it nig ht, no one c , atic dou b t were - false to their own profession's.' Of one of their number that lion. Gentlemen ought to' declare the principles on f _the Right Hon. Gentleman' the'Seeretary for the Colonies which their Government was founded. As a M e mber o he he should say that he believed him to'be honest in 'his a Liberal. Constituency, he repeated, that be rejoiced at • professions, sincerein his convictions, and incapable in. his the elevation of the night Hon. .Gentleman the Chan actions., It was on these grounds that he moved the rejec cellor of the .Exchequer. - ' That 'Right Hon. Lee • ride:hen tin of that vote. -( Cheers.) ' had had'h hard game Co play. He had achieved his without M ~ r. VirHITESIDE .'aid 'that, in consequence of - the re- position by , no aristocratic connexion, . and net - • some dislike and even distrust of ; those who had soap o dleeex as-to the legal appointments of the Earl of Derby, he him. ' heves that Right Hon. Gentleman V: ho had breathed • felt it to be his duty to . rise. He was not certain whether. into the party . opposite some spirit, Borne life-a lga vente his Hon. Friend fancied that he was a proficient in the lihe sort of life, to b e sore-but without his g enius theyneve•r called ironical; but he had his doubts whether the speech • would have been. what 'they were or . where theywereo.-n which they had just heard was conceived exactly in that' ( Hear, beer.) He rejoiced.iii the elef4tion of the It.ght El . • severe taste, mid with that polished sarcasm; which he (Mi. ' Gentlemad,becautie it was a tribute to intellectual superiority Whiteside) would have thought most suitable to that House. uncoenected with any aristocratic party of England.i -(Op- .... (Cheers ) -' He reverenced getiius where he met it-lie ad • ' cheers,)• He regretted, however, that the gti . positionmired eloquence where he heard it-but lie thought be could addition to great ability, shown . . . . . ... . . . , . .. Hon. Gentleman had not, indistinguish between the &tine original and the miserable more epetiocis andl frankne&A. He could not forget the elo- . imposition.-(Great cheering) The .Hon. Gentleman hid b* b• ' 11 nt acer i y -to orrow express .. . • • • • • • •• quest, audacity and the ue . . . . • hag . crsed severely the •present Ministry On acCount of the h ns e f the Hon. Member for Bridport-with which e legal appointments which it made M Irerand,•and which Right Hon . . Gentleman bad pursued the late- lamented Sir he said dittnot deserve and had not obtained the• confidence lt , bert Peel.-( Hear, hear.) He could not forget the era- • of the Itiiman Catholic people, or, rather tia lie understood, • teens which the Right don . Gentlem Men ade on different the Roman Catholic priesthood. [Mr. 11.'0111801tetx-"o."] ' "ee""ese and regrettedthat 11 hed,net scted up to , ll's oen Now in the whole course of his life' he never tittered a opinion s and been more explicit , o iliis, What was the len- , , emelt to his knowledge, offensive to the ItoMilii Ca. ! )? BEM 1 i , . guage used 13 • the ' L i 1,.4 5 .ie Right, Hon. Gentleman five years ago? .his ' ' tholic people. He had not concealed' opinion, and . if as t., always Right Hon. Gentlemas• rising with his subject, being a sincere Protestant, holding firmly the. doctrines of Govern:Z(l'ld. declared that if we were to latiMi a Ovular the Reformation, disqualified hini from office, he and his , its pony ge t as u f sh old declare the principles on which Hon. and Learhed F-mend the present Attorney-General for Rig t Hors. Getu'itiried- (Cries of " Hear, bean") , . The. Ireland, in common' with' many more - - Hon; Geiatlemen in had at that, tim e • email. then went .on to state that they e that House, moat for ever bedebarred from the pursuit of bamboozle i One party political middle-ma n-a man w-° an honourable ambition.-(l.iond cheers.) If the, Hon. Gen- 1 taioed a position to t• chicti tl g e l tie tired another, and who ob.. denim meant that no malt otightto 'be placed in office wise that they should have no party not entitled, and cried out. e would refuse justice '' to' thehltonieh Catholice of Ireland- tenure.-(lleer.), Now, howeent3.,J,lUQStions, but fixity of who would tetiese to adeninisterOmpartially . any Wise . or,' joined in . the chorus of What he d t4. Right lion.Gentlernan, •ust laws that' might be in existence in that country, or re- cried:out that there should be no paetTrectsted in 18-13. and fusemeasure that might be pre- Heand The Rt h Y questions but fixtt - , to co-'u in any useful good of that country, he (Mr, • Of te,nure.,( e forward g t Hon. G.entletnan was 8 „: ' pared by patriotic then for the trails b o ana to twor and declare the principles t. '" i ;;' Whiteside) agreed with him that no such' •h ' man, ought to be 1 ' He Government.' it. did not, redound who the credit of pliblic: appointed .to administer public affairs in Ire and s -( ar, 'meta that two or three gentlemen, e wbo a few weeks age h a g hear.) He ' could' perfectly understand an Hon. Gentleman . :given notices of motions revers'? of, a particula r p art o r who had me decided convictions himself as regarded religt; licy and on the subject of the adonisl system of po ~educe- ous opinions-(Cheers) -satirising thoseWhe had, but, _le • .should- now ge •up o s n wr ton, the e oppositsideand declare, wanted to - know - what there was in the cohstitatioti, of this that thoughtheigctinviction .. e . unaltered, . they did not Country to disqualify any Protestant of unspotted character he motions of which the intend to ,bring for Ward t . h a d ; end competent ability from holding office ? . Did pro •notice whoa in Opposition. Such course might be a , ! given ession of the ' Protestant, religion disentitle him to the . who tooked for a fixity of tenure, but considerationof If *•S '' a ree ') So far from, cunning one for men in te overeign .--e ear. , the last degree ' and wh Navinh off for Ministers it Wahl•shuffling as the d old- ' ,•,_, this t ended his Roman Catholic fellow -countrymen, he. the people of the country would regard . good )d- had life were ' o say in his justification, that when liberty and fashihned. amusement of Thimble-rigging-(A t laugh at stake,' the humble individual' who was . then addressing that - genie was about, to, ,be played by the coun a r n - Yd gee- th e man Catholic Gentlemen was more thari once selected by Ro men . with Lord iDerby ,as their., con.ederate, has the He.was not come \ emen to defend bOth.-(LOMI cheers.) public as usual were to be gulled and. plundered, ,w . repoied in him.-(weethat he had abused the trust thus Noble Lord and his confederates in smock frecks were play- li Hon. Gentlemen that lie be 'And he could assure the Lug the gaine.-(Laughter). The state of . thipgs was such he had the honour to wear,would rather 'strip the gown, which, that the Gentlemen oetanite were botihd . to spee( out.. f i • through , the mire of - faction. from his back, than drag it knew that the reply would be that .... .opposition.was fat- ' man had eulogised the Irish faction,-((,beers. The Hon. Gentle knew cheeei.) . Echo answered ther e * Government. Now he ( Mr. Whiteappointments of the last laugh.) He was not, however, to be - discouraged by hat t . ~ far as Ireland was concerned, the late must say that, he cry, for he had been long enough in the House to know that been reduced to a clique-that it hadeb Administration had the cry of a factious oppositiOn was raised whenever Gentle- become " Smell by degrees, and beautiful' men opposite were contradicted. He cared little for what • _(A laugh.) Every man that held the opiniony Jess." . Hon. Members in that House thought of his conduct ; 'but • Sir Robert' Peel was excluded by th of the late he cared a great deal for what the public out of doors• . thoughtem from office E Conservativewas also excluded.-(Hear, hear.) ' very of it.-(Laughter from the Ministerial eide.) He was Sure to which the - Hon. and Learned Member for Atilt party he should not - stand worse with his 'constituents-(Renewed Keogh) belonged was likewise excluded. Geithitii -' a (M a ; laughter from the Ministerial side)-he. knew they . would names were never before sheird in the Irish eti whose thank him for having' ode ed- what, lion. Ge tl osite • courts were n emen opposite raised• to high - legal seats by the late Government. Now, called a faCtioua. oppositiozi to their unprincipled' conduct with , • respect to the thief legal - 'appointments of Lord Derby, He doubted whether there ever was an occasion of a 'Ggiern- . • Ireland -that of - the lord Chancellor-he spoke the Y ' • voice ment coming- into power-without giving some intimation of ' la when h ' 'd" of his professione sat it was an T alpointment which what they intended to do as regarded the principles they m with their entire ' Approbatione•-( eat; hear.) The held, when in opposition,-(Bear.) • • Whatever he 'might e et •" could ,he said with respect te the appointment' of feel at.sueh a state ..of • things, his alarm was not diminished ' Arne ' tothe Chief-Justiceshi 'ofthe when he fated Lord-Derby-641sta . Rupert of delete ' Baron,Leffey • p Queenhs Bench. debate-assume . cr h t th ' it had heeo sal t a e conduct of Lord Derby, in accept the character of a Fahius•Cunctator.- (A laugh.). He feared - from the nature of . the man . that , sane .mischief' ' ing' office •en • d refusing eo 'appeal to: the ' country on the such .. ' was in- . question of 'protection until measures a* 49 con ceived ~.,„„„1 „ , , i , i , ;„,,,,,, 'POO 1.):4 w 'i • , ' "''' j I were for the public good were adopted, was' unconstitutional I ters, and of Hon. Gentlemen on the Ministerial - side of the Bat it should be borne in mind that Lord Derby. did not ! House.-(".No, no," from'Mr. B. Osborne. ) Well, excep ting iexpel the late Ministry. The late. Government fell unex- 1 the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancello r o f th e Exche quer, pettedly, and from a blow aimed at it by one whom he might I whose brilliant talents neither he nor any oth er Hon. Gentle call a friend to it.-(Rear, hear.) The Noble Lord (J. 1 man could sully-(Hear, hear)-it struck him that - Hon. Russell) fell in proposing a measure which he, no , doubt , Gentlemen opposite were not a little annoyed at the imani believed to be essential,. to tee, best interests of the country. mi ty that prevailed on the Ministerial tide of the ' House.- He respected the argument of the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Laughter from the Opposition.) It would appear 'so, as as to' the duty of Lord Derby appealing to the • country for they availed themselves of every opportunity to fling brands their approval of his financial measures; that appeal must be into their ranks; but it would require a great' deal more aeon m ade, and of this be felt confident, that whether the talent and exertion than they possessed to ooffeet th e i r term of office of the preient Government was long or short, .sta'oility and strength. (Ministerial cries of "Hear, bear.") the Noble'Lord at its head would, to the best of his ability, The ; 11011., Baronet who.had just sat down would, he hoped, maintain the religion of the country, preserve, undiminished, .excuse hirnfor advising him. not to speak of" persona and the rights of the community, and the liberties of the people. prpperties without . having Previously ' made ' himself ace • Mr. HATCHELL said; that 'having filled the office of quainted with the facts.-( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Baronet AttorneyoGeneral in Ireland, he felt it to be his duty to kid asserted that the property of a noble relative of his reply to the observations of ' his Hon. and Learned Friend (the Earl of March) had suffered no diminution by reason on the legal'aPPintMentBinloreland by the late Government. of the policy of the late Sir Robert Peel. N o w, he w a s no t The Hon. and Learned G entleman said that the late Go- then about to wander into a corn-law debate, asthe present vernment had raised to the bench men . whose names were was not a proper time-but he begged :to tell 'the Hon. • never heard iP the courts in Ireland ...e no w were the late Mr. Baronet that not only was the property ; of hi s N o bl e R e l a - O'Logblati, the date . Chief Baron ,Woulfe, the present Chief five in the /tenth of England diminished in the rent roll, but Baron: and the Present C h ief Ju stice 'of the Court of Come also that in the north of Scotland.-(Hear, hear, from the mon Pleas, undi , tingished in their profession? - (Hear.) , It Ministerial benches.) The Hon. Baronet wished to - know was said that Messrs.. Henn and Bennett. were overlooked by " what was:a Protectionist:" Now, being nei her a member the Government. Why were thry not appointed to legal of the Ministry, nor - a disappointed candidate for office, he positions, by the present'Goyernment ?. - No-they were over- would give him a' solution bt the interrogatory. His (th'e ' looked, althouge they were ardent euppOrters of a Conserve- Earl et,Alarch's).definition of a " Protectionist" Was this ' tive line of policy.--(Heaa) , , - - and it would be-warmly • responded. to by the farthing in- Mr., BOOKER ' said he bad entire cenfid ence inthe Go- tereStseea Protectionist. was a warm and ' cordial si:diporter of yernment and in the Right Hon. 'Gentieniait who .was the the Government of. which Lord Derby was the head, because leader in - that 'HOuee; and no taunts. froin Honourable Gen- .that Noble Lord would uphold the dignity of the Crown, tlemen opposite wo uld wean th e country party froth the cone and i promots the happiness of all classes of her . 'Majesty's' fidence which they reposed in the present' Government.--, subjects.-(Cheers.) i . '-) - :, . -. , (Hear, hear.) It was noaneaessary that he should refer to . gr. COBDEN acid the, definition of a Protectionist given the manly character of the Noble Lord at th e 'he a d o f . the :b y the Noble Lord who had just sat down had something in Government, and he had only to express . a hope that his it. ;Whatever may be - the opinion of that House there would counseVas regarded the requirenients of the country, would be two opinions,' in thecoattry as to whether that was the • prevail.-(Hear, hear.) He would not then refer to the intetretion heretofore put on the word " Protectionist"- qu estions of 'free trade or Protection. -(Ori es o f .i Oh!")' (B ehr, hear.) The Noble Lord, he hoped, would all6w them When public opinion had been expressed on..these questions to .c a rry. out the conclusion. inevitable from - his definition, it w up this important and 'by thus converting the name of Lord Derby Into pro ' question. . then b Honou e ra tbe ble t G im en e ti t e; ere °Peng oppositein had spoken of the tection, it was ,clear they were to consider themselves then division on the part of the. Ministerial . , benches • but thiS he under. a Protectionist Government -(Heate - hear.) That could truly say, that th e y w ere not afrai d of meeting the saved him( Mr. Cobden) a great deal of argument. They u hh n e l e oppositequestion Members n° e Iloilo at the proper head it avowed by the Noble Lord that. they were dealing cotiomerciel poli c y o f the witli a ProtectioniatGoveminent ;' and that was his case.:-- He was Satisfied that the (Hear , hear.) Now , the question before the House was, - ' people had entire Confidence inthe present Ministr, and for whether or not they would vote that Protectionist Govern this country perldbe r ws h oe came nn tt4 reason, that they were ,dissatisfied with th e a b sur di ty meat supplies. It was an old and constitutiohalepractice in 1 .edsiticeun p s aideei9fn. the of th and imbecility of the late. Government. - (Hw, and, Oh.) other _countries. as well as in England, that the'. majority of ' And it was a relief to them .to see men in office who would the epreeentative body governed the country. •Hte therefore not be shifted about from one point to another, and who beg ed,eo ask the Noble Lord who had just 'stood forward • when they went to the country, w ould de so upo n b road pr i n . ! or}, • roeectioniet principles to'ask a free-trade Parliament to ciples = (Cheers, and Oh)-and would, he had ho doubt, re. vot Supplieshe asked that Noble Lord could he deny that ceive the approval of the peoP le of this countr y . that Free-trade Parliament was digressing from its duty in, Sir BO HALL said that the lion. and Learn ed Ge n tl ema n at all -events, pausing before they ga v e their confidence to a the Solicitor-Geneeil for Ireland had aske d Pan remarkable .GoVernment based in direct' antagonism to the great majority and pointed question. He h ad asked whether it wa s we e- in that House?-(Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) But sary for a man to be a hypocrite in order to be a Minister; ,freerradeprinciples were, numerically, in an overwhelming and he (Sir B. Halo wou ld as k whether it was not necessary maj rity it both • sides of the: --- House were examined.(Hear.) for a Minister to . be an honest ma n ? . But if. the present 36. Th present debate was opened by 'an Hon. Member for one nisters wished to act honestly, he thought they ought at of the .metropolitan . counties (Mr. B. Osborne); perhaps the once to come forward and declare whether, a t ter h av i n g modt populoue and wealthy county, in the -United Kingdom. attained to power, they meant t o abide b y t heir fanner, ,He was sopported by the ~.Hone Member. for •Marylebone, p ro f ess i ons , or w h e th er they had used tho se professions for' another large and populous district. .He*(Mr. Cobden), the the purpose of arriving at office?--(Hear, hear e ) u, e had representative, of the West Riding of the - great county of been somewhat surprised at the speech of the Hanourable Yorhhire,- supported that Hon. and Gallant Member also, Gentleman who ha d jest sat doWn. He remembere d _.. .that ancliwas fully, sustained,in so doing by the great population at the time when the Honourable Member letta come, for e of bet. extensive and wealthy district. Then there was ward as a candidate to represent the county of So uth Lancashire next in emportance, -together-with Man- Hereford a newspaper which advocated the Tory ; principles cheater , and Glasgow; and, therefore, Hon. Gentlemen 6n in that county, had promised that the .Hon. Gentlem an, after the gi n isterial side of the House were not alone in a nume he should have been returned to Parli ament, would rical. ininOrity, but in a very insignificant . minority, seeking 1 " beard the lion in his den"-the lion m ea ning, no 'doubt, the !confidence of the majority.-(Hear, hear.) - The contro the Noble Lord the head of the late Government. But, from welly had been ragingloatteen years. It was seine fourteen • the mom en t th e H on . Methhee had been elected d own to the yea i Since the first) meeting. of the AntieCorn - law League present time h e had - never brought forward any measure ,washeld.in Manchester. „The agitation lasted-some seven and had never suggested one single proposal in accordance yea so, and some six years .had elapsed since the' question with the principles he had advocated when he had sought wa s settled , no y that House. What . was the conduct of the suffrages of the electors of, Herefordshire. A circular had the ,party opposite? He asserted the origin of the party lately been' sent round; hy the Protectionist party i that -n opplisite was protection. , .:There were Hon. Gentlemen: on county, calling a meeting in the parish church of Peter. the Gaga oliteen eide a the House, on the question of free church, for the purpose of coniidertng the best mode 'of tra gnst protection, who were friends of the Monarchy,. securing the return of ' Protectionist Members , a t . , the 'tie daof the Church, sand friends of the aristocracy-gen next election. . Now, that was all verY well.; but it t l ei n e n who were, as high .Conservatives as .Hon. Gentlemea should be known wh a t was . nseant by protection. - 7-(Hear, vu .liellini.terialbenches.-(Hear , hear.) Could such' be heir.) Lord De r by had lately asked for the forbearance 01 d en e d in the Case of the Hon. Members for the Unive r si ti es his opponents. Bu t f o r what purpose bad he made that of Oxford , and Cambridge? , -Therefore, be asserted, :Hon. request?. He had made it in order that , he might work e Gentlemen opposite stood there as a Prote ctionist p art y .- the appliances' o f th e G over nment to. strengthen all e himself in (H at', hear.) , It . was the only question on which they were his position, so th a t h e m ight hereafter be enabled to tax con tituted a party-( l m . , • hear) -and therefore he would the food of the people. But the Noble Lord had made, no not allow them to fall back on the Chancery reform and pa- ' definite avowal of his views on the s ubject of the corn- laws ; t en l aw amen d men t, in which all were as interested as the • and the addres ses r e cen tly ,made by s e number of the flu -.Gentlemen themselves.--(Hear, hear.) He ( Mr. Cob members of his Government to their constituents were den did-not call on Hon. Gentlemen opposite to decide what equally vague and unSatisfactory,upon that subject. The the pow-Se to be adopted by the House - should be. Neither Right Lion. Gentlem an t h e Chancellor of the Exche q uer s bad .lid ;1,9 osk ohe Right Hon.. the Chancel lor of the Exche q uer certainly thrown no new light upon, the matter. . And y et to clams what course he would take. He would appeal to that Right Hon. Gentleman bad On . 4 former occasion ex- he sioritiof that House to decide , what the course should pressed bit admiration of a Ministeo who gave effect to e his be, . (C heer s from the Opposition.) If a :minority in that convictions.. He- had eves added ,these words-" Unfootu House were to gooern the. House, on. the same principle they nate will be the position of this country when a aeinister, tnige t t be governed by a clictator.---(llear, hear.) He there pursues a line of policy adverse, to the convictions s which he toreiapp ea l e d te. the.liouse to vindicate itself, and make itself himself entertatus."- e ( gear, sheen) The Right, Hon. telt is the policy now to be, pursued. -(Opposition cheers.) Gentleman would do well to oemember those expressions lie Nought the presout pccation a.titting , one ; and be there upon the present occasion. In 1841 the Right, Hon. fore.colled on the majority. of the •Iliouse to vindicate its eon- Gentlanah the Chancellor of the Exchequer was strongly •stitdtional privilege...-. ` Opposition . cries of 'I Hear, hear.") "PPosed - to an Be. duty. en 1846 a, ss. duty was, sug- When :they came to vote the money he hoped the majority gested, Mit the Right Hon: . Gent i okn ap, in connexion with wouK hair() sufficient vigour and firmness to take the reins the late lamented Lord George .Beatiocks said they would into their own hands, and by .keeping in theiahands, except have nothing to do with, it. In 1842, s s the Right H on .. for E t limited period, : the ,control over the ; public parse.- Gentleman stated in his election speech, we had a revision (Cheers.). It might be asked why call nponsthe :Parliament of the sliding scale and came to a compromise, when; it ai el siolve now? Where wore the indicationsithat a dim. ~was considered the arrangement would be permanent. luta n: was required? He appealed to what was going on in That arrangement the Right Eon. Gentleman doe:el l e& as s the ountry. It showed that there.waa no diffeaenee out of being a. just andnioderate protection. Now, what wee ,that doo as to the course which the majority ought to pursue. protection? It was no less than 20s. a quarter : on wheat , Fr 9 one end of the country to . the other theyswere in all when that article should be undee 503.-. ( ,Opposition cries of the eat and excitement, ot a contested: election at the pre " Hear, hear.") Was that the protection the Right Hon. sent moment.-(4h, and laughter.) • They.could, . not take Gentleman hoped to see restored, and which, if sincere, he up : daily newspaper that thtsy did not find two columns of should ,endeavour. to re-impose? - (Hear, hear.) The late it- fil ed with accounts, of election proceedings. Those pro- Lord George Beneinck was a nobleman the very soul of teed rigs were p.ot confined to his side of the House. The hondur-(letear, hear)_respected and beloved by all who lion Gentleman the Member for Hereford, swho !had been knew him. He gave up all his pursuits and favourite ainbi• rece tly sent , into that ,h ease. to settle the question, had don for the purpose of working to the best of his ability the talk d ; upon every subject butit. The Honourable. and Gal great question, pf protection.-(Hear, hear, and cheers.) (mat 'Wernher fgt. Windsor had . also told them that the country There had been twelve nights of debate -heavy debate-on was 11 in the heat of an , eleetion contest; and Why ? Be that renestion, and theelast speectespokens ha' the debater was caul the interest of the country had, brought it to this con delivered by Lord George Bentiock, from which he (Sir . 8.. clue n, that the majority. in that House would sdeal with the Hall) took the following extract:-" Deeply should I regret ques ion and would not permit the public money to be voted. should any large proportion of those Members who have been He ainiained that, they could not, attempt to carry on the sent :to Parliament to represent the landed , tenantry of legislation of the country, ,and that brought him to another England in this House prove to be th e men t o brieglasting eons derafiori. .They could not. carry, it on, it . was impossi dishonour alike upon ,themselves, their constituencies, and Ole, while the Government was only. supported.by a mino this House, by an act of tergiversation so gross as to 'ity.l They had already heard one Hon. Gentlemen say that be altogether . unprecedented in the annals of • an' they' evadedthe question ; that, they were in a minerity,,and refOrined or unreformed House of Commons." He (Sir B.- inelieto postpone it for,the pm:sent; .that theyelid not mean Hail) quoted that because he wish e d ; t o k new w hether her to dal with, it. Why, that principle pervaded the whole. `Majesty's Ministers were about to re-impose a duty on corn, of the proceedings of .the Howse.: There were Committees or whether they merely intended to shuffle through it. He. on eliucation and . other important questions; but did found another extract in the same 'speech, which, as being Any dion. - Gentleman named enter . upon those Commit• short, and : coming from the source it did, he would take the tees with the idea that he could. deal with them during the liberty Of reading to the House. Lord G. Bentincks said- present Parliament? Did - anybody doubt that,' within two "Sir; lastly ; I coma to the - proud aristocracy'. die are a or thlree months,, those proceedings must •b e b roug ht to a 'proud aristocracy,' hut if we ar e .proud, it i s that we are close? . Seeing that out of doors everybody was prepared - 3rotid in the chastity- of, .our honour, if we assisted in 1841 seei that no satisfactory, business could be carried on, they in turning the Whip out of office, for thatw e did not-cono were bOund to bring the question to a satisfactory close by 'sitter a fi xed duty of Bs. a gleaner . on• foreign orn a sufficient the nstitutionol powers vested in them. Esten in that protection, it was with honesty of purpose and c ain single-minded- eyes 9 . coarse which Hon. 'Gentlemen opposite .were now nos 'that we did so; and as we were no t before the puts itigthey were still placing themselves on such ground fact, .we , will not be ' accomplices after th ilD fact, in the ;is w old render them as niu.ch in antagonism with.them as frtud . by' which the- Whig Ministers e. turned out ever. - rho,lpghi Hon. ; Gentleman the Member for Bucks Of offfce• If. we are a ' proud aristocracy,' were dof was reparmg, with the, assent of a. large, number of .his we are prou , . our honour, inasmuch ,as we never have been guilty', :eva de the ' • then s, to and never can be guilty of ' doable-dealing with ' the them, that ' . he only changed his ground. He: proposed to farmers iof England, of swindling our oP ts,. deceiving ,giya !the agricultural interest an indemnity for the losses our friends, or - betraying our constit uents " . 'That was 'they ad sustained by the withdrawal of protection' under the speech of : a Noble Lord who . as he b e fore said, was .anot er form, and then he. shadowed out a plan by which 'the very soul of honour. e (IlearolLare) It was delivered ne p poied to transfer some of the taxes borne by. the On the 27th of .February,..le46, and on that very day siX egric Iturtsts to the shoulders of those who did not happen years; the 27th, of Y ehrua e r h lBs2 ethe Noble ,Lord, then, the -, to be thepessesiore. of land. :He asked whether„that• was colleague of tne tate L or d Georg e •Dentinck, at t a ined to the noel ) in g , in the ! same .posithon of antagonism as before? positiOn of Prime Minister - of England; an d thoug h he robe lie re ed what was to be done . with the . Antis-Corn-law in his ' place on that n i g ht in the Ho use of Lords, et neitber, Leagde?-(Laughter and.cries .of " Oh , ob. ') .If the Right Chet Noble, Lord (Lord Derby) nor Right lion'. G ent l em en . lioneerable Gentleman was only • shifting his ground-if that oppositehad the moral courage or the politi ca l h ones ty to de- League hid comPelled him to take his'hand out of one of the dare th e ir. views. -( Hear. 1 . e e - w -et, he asked, were ker Ma- dockets the public, he was,. now attempting to put. it in jesty's Ministers going to do? . Were they th y going tre be , moiler. - He - trusted tne Right Hon. Gentlemen .would see guilty of" double-dealing with the farmers?"- (Hear; 2" e (Elear; hear.) - the necessity of allaying this strife and agitatiob., When he Would they , tell them they should . have a 255. p rotect i on: talked of i n dem n ifyi n g the agricultural classes for the losses when 'corn was under ,508. ?or were .thev ffoinz to. come they id sustained, he could, alisure. the Right Honourable f o rveard and declare protection dead and; a e bo le nt i g a f ter i t ,Geptleman that when they entered on that, controversy he should have served their turn as ah election cry?-(Hear, - wOuld be as willing as any lion. Member to consider the and laughter.) ' The y were a P ro tectienist Government On tair cliiims of the landlord and the farmer in any general re- , looking.oyer the list he found every member a Protectionist' ductitte of. taxation consequent upon a surplus of revenue.: with two exceptions, members of the "liberal profession:, He would be as hippy to see justice done to them as to the the Attorney and Solicitor-Generals, the law officers of the inannfacturer and traclesmart--7(Oh, oh)-bnt,wlign he pro late Sir R. Peel. -(Opposition cheers.) One o f _these Hen. • Posed to transfer-the burdens of agriculture to other,c.asses and Learned Gentlemen -had already been referred to of thecomniunity, he met ,the Free-trader oriprecisely the having agreed to an arrangement, by the terms,of which it same 'ground, and had not s tateen any ono step , to get rid of was understood he,would not appear again. - The other gen- that IcOhtroversy. -When the Right Hon. Gentleman at-, tleman was endeavouring to obtain et s seat in that most cor- temptbd to do that, he (Mr. Cobden) would meet him on the rupt tied maculate borough of Harwich._(Hear, leear.) ..et, thresliold, and ask him whose' taxation he was going to re modification of policy was talked of. He (Sir B H a ll)fouod mit? llf it was, that of the landowner, bpi - did he propose 'a resolution sadoe ted at a meetin g held at the London Tavern to rericla the' farmer by remitting the tax:upon land?. He on the 12th oecember of last Year, at w hi ch t h e D u k e of ' must Show him further that the landowner suffered from Richmond presided. The resolution' was__" Resolved, that free-trade policy... The Noble Lord had met the statement all the friends.of !inflection are called upon to • support the that had been made- ~ , National A s sociation for the Protection of Native Industry, The Earl of MARCH said hie explanation was in' answer and to co-operate to the utmost of their Powerin obtainiog to a statenient made by the Hon. Baronet, and which state a reversal.of the present system of free importation."' .On meat was not correct.--(Hear, hear. ) tlee 2"th February.' 1851,• Lord Derby was •reported - - Mr.j cOgDEN-It was the assertion of the incorrectness to have said, " I cannot, as an , honest man. of the Lion. Baronet with which he was going to deal; The abandon the existing distress by reversi the step Noble Lord had said that his, Noble relative had Buffered a that has • been taken by the - impositio n ng of - a me- toss of income consequent upon the free-trade policy. He deists' duty 'on corn and provisions, b e ~ which in s was not aware that-the Duke of Richmond's case had been f ew years we may get rid of the income . t ax. . .. Now the referred to, but if the questionewas raised, do. not let it be sup amount, of the income tax was between. 6 000,0004 and posed for a moment that inoividual cases were to be avoided. 6,000,0001. in the year. There were 1 1,000,000 qrs. of cornH e . had _ not heard 'of any redaction of• rents , b u t t he brought annually into the country, which would require a contrary. • • would 15s. dutyper quarter to make good the abolition o f th e The Bert of MARCH hoped the. Hon, Gentlem an income tax ; and was that , he wished to • know, what Hon. forgive him. He was s orr y to trespass again upon the House, Gentlemen opposite considered a " m oderate duty eo He but this was a matter of a somewhat personal nature. The (Sir B. Hall). found that from 1841 to 1 - 84 5, both included. propertet-of a noble relative of his had beep called in ques the imports . amounted 'to . 360,641,0001., and for the don. He had distinctly stated the fact, and he now repeated folloWing five years . from 1846 to 1851, byt h included, and could state o f his own knowled g e, that his property in 466,755,e00/., • showing a vast. increase. 'ln - the same Sussex had been revalued and a reduction had occurred upon years' the exports ' were, from 1841 to 1845, both in- the whole rental. (Loud cheers.) . i eluded, 659,408,000 1 . ; ' mot for the lye followin g years , M r . COBDEN I would state exactly what he had heard r trom 1846 to 1854 both included, 833,166,000 e s; so that if the con `se of some inquiries which he had made,-(Lo d 'anything could prove the prosperity of the country it wa s cries of " Oh.") Ile had found upon inquiry in the e e . the result of these exports and imports• - •(Hear, h.eatee J In diate neighbourhood of Goo dwood that n ot only, had there Manchester, since 1846 , the poor rat e had diminish e d no b ee n nb redaction.--(Shouts of" ' oi a o and Que stion.) "Que' found less than 50 per cent ; therefore he. wished to know what When the Noble Lord spokeof, a reduction of ren ts lie t and Hon. Gentlemen opposite were going to reverse? For wh se that it , had not been as a rule applied to the pro d Per n Y lbers benefit was the reversal go ing to take place--for the land- that ,if a tenant was going out there w ere half a ...ozo hado his lords, the tenants, or the labourers?- , ( Hear, hear) lie had ready to take the land. If the Duke of Richmond half a dozen heard that two Noble Dukes (Richmond and Rutland), who land lei upon those terms, and that there were hat the Duke ' were loud in their demands for protection, had suff ered no ten a nts ' re ady to take it, then he shoed(' flaY t his affairs if. dithination of their rents. N either had the te nants suffered. of Richmond w a s very incapable of managing ins. _ (cries -(Oh, oh.) Well , if the y had, wh y did not th e landlords he . dreamt of reducin g his rents upon theseear tquite so • make a 'reduction ?• Had. any reductions taken place 1- a - Ole and " Question.e) . Why, they were et 9 u the Member (" Oh, oh," fromsthe Ministerial benches.) H e asserted no mealy-tnoutl{ed when the Right Hon. Baronet He was not general reduction had taken place.o-(0h, nh A Tx --• 1. . ...e• had a for Ripoa was speaking a night or twosin7 is rents, and if word to say to the gentlemen called the " Country Party," ashamed to say that he had not red uce d cases ui that. waY be be in the lan ua e o ' and as he preferred it should g g i another they dealt with . in dividual as a. fact breught before he, would - just -read •an extract from a Speech bad a right to deal wth the presen t to his own, • a id say that. the Noble which concluded with these remarkable words;," Dee not, the .House. He would go . further , any reduction that might then, becauee yowsee a great personage giving uP his opi-. 'Duke derived a compensatione fr o m ehis land in the reduction nions, do not cheer him ono-do not re d such a reward to have leen place in,the price .•°' ' He ' " These were the words of the present that h teken place in the .price of com moditie s. s was a, , 'political tergiversation. the Chancellor ofthe Exche ' a ' d rietor, and truihrtaitied, doutalesse a large estab quer in -landed pr P Right Hon: Gentleman . k him was hhousehold and 'Stables,: and he contended that 184 . 6 ; and he then )egg to as , e prepared to lishment an ... st An other mdividnel ' inthe re les on which he rose to o ffi ce? When on he gained' moire than almo stand by thesprincip e he Houle the Right Hon. Gentl e ' A , that had taken place f ir ths priee of 'torn stud of su the Opposition - side of -t .e. man ououono . d i obe--and by the reduction of those rates and clamoured for di ssolution.-(Hear, ' 0 .---(Hear, ' gar-(Gh, an a title . called forprotection, • an him Ituett t' had an a ion that day.: They should hear.) What they asked him sked Co red -do •at present was merely of which they had (Hear, hear.) . The Right • allehat before he wouldacknewledge the right of the to declare his intentions. ..- go . intoteke A tax Off the agricultuf ere '" fair play," w hich they were inclined Right lion. ,.. . . is Gentleman called for hcalled for ". P r e te ctiero 4 the co plate it on the shoulders of the Indrlstriotte portion' of the 'to give him ; but When e ten- and . to know in what'th t w . a protection community. If the Right ,Hon. Grentlenian .evetted protec try was justified in requiring •• 'n a tax by Wiry Of an indemn i ty, they , , met the consisted.- (Hear, hear.), : cl the House it s • • lion, and hod o fires-traders precisely in, the sam th '' - '• ' e controtersy, and The Earl of 11ARCEI assure manner of the witi not his at the conclusion: of the struggle. U' had . not intention to follow. in the tone or • w. on. and ,-yet arrived all these necessary tint' they . thotild understand Gallant Gentleman (Mr. IK Osborne), e thatli o opened the pre.- grounds it was upon which they wereit wile necessary - that the sent discussion. The course followed y_ _ on. and Gal- footing uld be brought to a lent . Gentleman resembled- that taken by the lawyer who,. question sho uld conclusion,lor the take, not manufacturers and th e • merchants, Mit also for for want of a case abused the other side.-(hear, hear.) He only of tile _ lanieeners had heard every 'word filet fell from the Hon. - and Gallant .the sake a fte r the way . en the eenants. Could it be Memb e r, ae d b Id to the House to say if there cou ld doubted, in which they- had kept 'up the . con e appea e the last five years, leading On. the ' tenantry with be found &particle of argument in the whole of his • die- i test for . . . °pla t auct M expectation of - getting the coarec?-.(Hear,,hear.) It was a tissue of abuse of Minis - false h ~,_ i redress front ;•,,,., , v4 .,.. u . ~,,, , u ,,,„ . ; .. a ;... 1 , -,. 1..,1!. ~J,, ILL ~ C..LitJi . 1 s LONDOT, SATURDAY VENING, MARCH -720, I legislation of that House, could it be doubted that they had the President of the United States on that subject, and I do retarded iniprostement, prevented the tenant seeking for a not find that he is at all satisfied with the effects of . his reduction of his rent, and stopped progress in other direc- tariff; but he proposes to the Legislature to amend its ra tions? That had been going on for five or six years, and sults, by granting more protection.—(Protectionist cheers.) now he thought was the time to bring the question to an But already the amount of protection on manufactures, in the issue. Leta at ' the way in which the country had Leen , United States ranges from 20 to 30 per cent., and I ask,. is agitated, led on by Dukes and Earls, which left foreign that the amount of protection the Right Hon. Gentleman countries in doubt whether they had really established the opposite is about to propose for this country?-(Hear, hear.) principles of free trade; and in more than one country of Tne Right Hon. Gentleman has further discovered that we Europe operations had been absolutely suspended, because are greatly indebted to California for a favourable solution of they could not believe that when the landed aristocracy, of the free-trade problem. But America has 'Some relation whom they h a dneo t ru e a n idea—they could not believe, to California as well as this country, , and if the gold they did not doubt that what they said was true, that they of California has been of such great benefit to us,.. it intended to reverse their policy.—(Hear, hear.) Nothing is likely that it would also have somewhat benefited could be better for the cause of free trade than to appeal to America, but hear what the President says upon the country, and the conclusion he came to was that the in.. that subject ; " The exports of specie to liqui terest of the country would keep them true to it. They date our foreign debt during the past fiscal year have been. might tryto i n t er p ose some other ques tion, but it would not 2 4,263,979 dollars over the amount of specie imported." It do, and all he asked was that the country should have an op- may be true that the bullion. has passed through the Bank of portunity of bri ng i ng th e qu e s ti o n to an issue.—(Cheers.) England, like a sieve, but it has saved us from a fiscal gala- Mr. W; MILES lamented the taste of the Hon. Member mity, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer cannot deny that for the West Riding; he lamented excessively when the we have now more bullion in the Bank than ever. But Noble Lord (the Earl of March) stated that his noble rela. what have been the consequences in America? I read in live, the Duke of Rich mon d, h a d diminished his rents, that the speech of th e President - of the United states that their the Hon. Meniber bad continued to assert that he had heard exports of specie, notwithstanding the imports from Califer fromy different persons th a t th e D u k e b a d not done so. He ,nia, have exceeded those imp or t s i n one y ear to the amount bad never heard any gen tl eman ' s w or d disputed 'in so im. of twenty-five millions. N proper a m anner . H e was g l a d th a t th ere was to be a You are going to re-adjust toaxw' a l t e i t on m n e o as t oknyiyotiouthcoisrur but on on discussion. The question was, was the Government of the other articles; and from the mysterious way in which you country to be carried on or not, and were the necessary mea• deal with the House, it becomes necessary for me to endue., sures for its 'good" t o b e passe d s_ (H„ e, ae ar e) If the 'our to extract from evidence what are the articlesyou are late Government had declared the embodiment of the likely to tax; and as there is no one . whose system, is so militia to be necessary 'for the defence of the country—if likely to form a precedent witligentlem rhey had stated it to be impolitic to dissolve Parliament— Lord George Bentinck, I shall refer to the budget he brought were the present - Gtevernment to be taunted by Hon. Mem. forward the last time the income-tax was renew ed. L opposite as the late hers on the Opposition benches for holding the same opi- ask the House of Commons whether' they arep par et d ul t e o nions? If'the present Government was to be thus opposed replace the h tariff of, 1846 by such a budget .as this ? I e find it would bit by a tyrannical majority, and the country cer- that he proposed to get .850,0001., if not. double th at tainly'ought 'to ee appeal e d t o j u d ge b etween t h em. H e upon corn , and 700,0001. upon ti m b er. N ow that thetneustyl- did not fear the 'issue; he ' k new t h e d etermination of the gat i on -l aws h av e been irrevo ca bly repealed, and that ship- Noble Earl (the Earl of Derby) sufficiently well to know owners and shipbuilders are desirou.sOof being disembarras sed that, if defeated. 'he would nevertheless try the appeal again. of every impedifneot, would the House be w. The Noble Earl would be cons ti ut i ona ll y right in so to • l e vy 700,0001. on timber 3—(llear, bear.) ' al doing. But if a dissolution wer e t o t a k e p l ace at once the cotton he proposed to raise . 650 , 000 4 and he dated the de country would be thrown into the great e st confusion. on. cline of the cotton manufacture tro the removal of the fluty ' de country said they' did not know what the p o li c y o f the usieg this remarkable expression, "I take cotton for d u t y Noble Earl at 'the head of the Government was; let them because it will be taking .a lesson from the book of ..the read the speedh of the' `Noble Earl.—(An Hon. Member— United States." Now, let us take a lesson from the United Which of them?) That made last month. In that spee c h St a t es . Th e raw mater i a l i s b roug ht here to be manafac.. the Noble Earl said theta duty would be the best way of tured into garments for exportation to all the world. Who, settling the question, but that he would not bring forward then, is your natural competitor—who is it against whom that question until he had taken the sense of the ,country you would be most anxious to hold your own in manuface upon it, but in the meantime he would consider the measures tures or commerce? Is it not the United States? Now, necessary to relieve the suffering interests from their present ponder well upon these facts. The consumption of . raw cote burdens.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) The' Honourable ton in the United States had gradually risen until the duty Member for the West Riding had stated that the Protec- was removed in Great Britain, but since that time it. has tionists had impeded th e i m p rovemen t o f ageienitUre. The been ,gradually decreasing, and your manufactures bane Right Honourable Baronet the Member for Ripon, in his been supplanting the .4anufactures of the United States. — speech the other night, had alluded to the immense increase (Hear, hear.) Let me ask you tie apply to this one of your in the importation of guano, the great' extent of drainage own canons. You desire to encourage the British labourer, that had been undertaken, and other improvements. Since and to make the foreigner pay for that encouragement. I 1846 capital had been invested to a large extent in land, will show you that you have encouraged half as much and with what return? Let Honourable Members more labour,, and made the foreigner pay half as read Mr. Mechi's balance-sheet, which showed a loss of 6371. much more since 1846 than he paid before. The ,_ in one year, On a farm of 188 ac r e s . He would explain this Chincellor of ' the Exchequer approved of the policy.of • as shortly as possible. The Hon. Member for Berkshire made 1842, but disapproved of that of 1846. Well, the effect of some experiments, the results of which he had published in the policy of ; 1842 was, that we are able to remit of 1847, and his mode of operation had been adopted very gene- taxes that pressed on the people of two millions, and in rally by the farmers. By these experiments it had been 1845 the Customs and Excise were reduced es much more. ascertained that thirteen tons of farmyard manure, with, three But what did the tariff of 1846 do ? It enable d you to . cwt. of guano; produced as fertilising results as twenty tons take off seven or eight million of taxes in addition, while. of farmyard manure alone in the productions of turnips ; the Excise and Customs are as high as ever. Now, 1 and as the guano used in such small quantities was 'much appeal to you on behalf of the great interests of the cheaper than the dung, 'the increased demand for the former country. I trust you will adhere to a policy that em article- was accounted for without any extension, of farming goals - British industry, makes foreigners pay, and while operations. Hon.elelemberCopposite were anxious fdr a dis- it diminishes the burdens of the people, does not di solution of Parliament, and such a measure Might be Daces- txiinish the receipts. of 'the Exchequer. I say that we, sary. But let them do everything quietly. Let the esti- the Memberstef the House of Commons, are bound to see mates- be gone through as rapidly as possible; let 'the few that clear expla na ti ons are g i ven on a ll t h ese su bj ec t s , an d measures which were absolutely necessary be carried, end ' that nothing is left in doubt.—(Hear, hear.) I mast now then he would say' that if a dissolution . were tre- ask your attention for' a few emoments to what I think fused the OppoSition would have a rational cause of corn- an interesting • matter of history. Adam Smith, at the plaint, and would be justified in the exercise of their Con- cloie of his immortal work, having exhausted the subject stitutional powers. But when h e l o ok e d a t th e "prese n t t o w hi c h it referred, described a scheme of finance to which state of the nation—when he considered how little excite- he s aid there were so many p ower f u l t combinations and ment was at present going on, how little had been caused by so 'many great interests opposed, that its achievement the exit of the late Ad m i n i s t ra ti on and the com i ng i n of the might well be considered Utopian. His scheme corn present, he felt assured that the people would calmly take pre ended a great change in the Customs and Excise Lord Derby's explanation of his policy into consideration, duties, confining them to a few great articles of luxury or and would determine upon upholding that Minister in his en- consumption, such .s sugar, rum, and tobacco. Lord Derby deavours to do justice to all classes of the community and to finds fault with the tariff of 1846, because it did take away uphold the constitution.— (Hear ) Ile believed that Noble the Excise and Customs except on a few great articles of Earl would be found ever ready to bring in new measures luxury and consumption. Adam Smith then went on to when necessary, but firmly resolved to set his face against state what would be the results of his scheme. First, the reckless innovation.—(Protectionist cheers.) debt would be diminished—the debt has been diminished— Mr. CARDWELL—If "am so fortunate as to obtain for and in the meantime the people had been relieved from some a brief period the attention of the Committee, I promise that of the most burdensome taxes, and the labouring classes I will not willingly let fall a single word having the re- would be enabled to live better and cheaper, and send their motest teneeney to perpetuate that heat which a few minutes wort: cheaper into market. The cheapness of the goods since seemed so disagreeably imminent.— (Hear, hear.) I would ensure the demand for the labour that produced them, believe there never was an occasion upon which calmness and 4pd the power of the labouring classes to consume exciseable deliberate reflection was mere urgently called for from those articles would be vastly increased. 2 , ow, what was an Utopia who take part in these debates. (C r i es o f "Hear, hear.") to Adam Smith has ben accomplished by air Robert Peel. I believe that we are now called u p on to se ttee one of the The interest of the debt has decreased from 29i millions most important questions upon whi c h t h e liberty and hap• to ,28 millions. The consumpti on by the poor of pit:less of a - tree people can depend. If we see that in , all articles of comfort has vastly increesed, such r.s cocoa, this favoured country, during the l as t f ew a cme, you have tea, sugar, and tobacco, and all th a t has been accom enjoyed unexampled peace and happiness, has it not arisen' pliebed, while at the same time a great surplus was secured . from that balance of a free conetitntion, which, by the oh- for the revenue. —(Hear.) I now venture to close the case servance on the part of the Crown, and on the partof Parlia- which I have endeavoured feebly to lay before you. I think ment, of certain definite rules, and certain established I haVe shown you by no invidious reference to former precedents, maintains a balance of freedom, securing the speeches, but simply by a recurrence to those arguments and sovereignty and pre-eminence of the Throne on the one side, propositions you held in f"-rmer years, and have never dis and the rights and happiness of the people on the other.— avowed, and which the Hon. Member who has just sat dawn, (Cheers.) And, Sir, the first questions that we are called challtnges me to read in 'the speeches of Lord Derby, ex, upon to raise in this discussion are, what are the' privileges, pressing, at the same, time, .the most unbounded confidence and, correlatively with those privileges, what is the duty of that the results of the next 'election would confirm them, the this House of Parliament? We no w see b e f or e us a number effect which your prisent motion must have on the interests of gentlemen for whom I entertain a high respect, and many of the people. Now, we, the commoners of England, do of whom I have the happiness of recognising among the not 'want to haVe all the beneficial results of free number of my personal friends. The members of the Queen's trade reversed ; we do not want you take by sap that Government are under these circumstances, that they have which you cannot take by storm ; we, in the exercise been, according to their own admissions frequently made, and of our constitutional duty, respectfully, not in bitter implied by the withdrawal of measures to which they attach ness of language, but with much force of argument, call on importance, called to office, while they did not possess the you, for the sake of the country and of yourselves, to give confidence of this House. Well, then, what is the state of what .you call your policy to the country, disguising nothing affairs, and what in that state of affairs is the duty Which and explaining everything. I tinstthat there willbe no party devolves upon us ? I shall tell you, from authority or factious proceedings.— (Oh, oh.) I entirely assent to the which you will respect, what are the relations of the proposition that faction, ifothere be faction, would redound Commons to the Crown, the' country being situated as to your advantage, and would recoil upon ns : —(Hear, , it is at present. In 1841 three propositions were laid hear.) lam an earnest advocate for our commercial policy . down that the power of the executive govern- as it exists, and I desire to give you no such advantage as the _ ment to carry measures in the House of Commons was appearance of faction on our part would create, but I believe essential to the country's independence—that when Govern- that we should be dull watchers, faithless guardians of our ment found itself in such .a position that it noionger 'pos- public trust, if we ,did not insist on explicit declarations of sessed that power, one single alternative remained, that al- your future intentions; I believe that if we did not demand ternative being to resign office or to dissolve Parliament: It such explanations, eve should be parties to the surrender of was 'further laid down that if they elected to dissolve, they those , principles by which the British Constitution guarantees ; must dissolve immedi a t e ly, with 'no greater delay than the at on c e our liberties and our rights.—(Cheers.) exigencies of the publi c service required.—(Protectionist Mnl CAYLEY said, with respecteto what had fallen from cheers.) lam glad to hear this proposition receive so much the HonourableMember who had just sat down, he al ways concurrence as the other side of the House; bat that , ought referred to the Policy to concur in it because it was laid down by no mean authp• of the late Sir Robert Peel. ; No w, . ritye the late lamebted Sir Robert Peel, and, what perhaps . w hen; he talked about the commercial improvement r which those gentlemen will vales; re, had the concurrence of all permitted to observe that, in every instance of commercial had fiillowed free-trade measures, he (M . Cay ey)-must be those Members of the present' Cabinet who then had the ho-. stagnation, there was a corresponding spring .in commercial noun of seats in the H ouse of Commons, and 'who testified treusac tions. He did .sot deny the prosperity of the last their, concurrence by following Sir R. Peet into the lobby on few y ars. What they called free trade had no doubt been that,oceasion.—e(Hear. ) for were those propositions laid a benefit to the country , by the lowness of the price of corn. down as mere dry abstract propositions,' but reasons also', But what they on the Ministerial side contended was, that were given. It was laid down and argued before you that the lea-ness of the price of agricultural produce lessened the the well-being of this constitutioirdependi on the constant home itra de.— (Ministerial cheers.) He would remind. the and uniform maintenance of the equilibrium. It was said, House, also, that the Protectionists did not foresee the elf You do not maintain it, if you maintain the contrary famine in Ireland—(Hear, nor di n d e the .e G e e t ntlemen h on of the proposition thus' described, 'so unconstitutional, so the Opposition side.—( Hea r, hear. ) 0 h o n b i l t th ey v the ad dangerous a doctrine I never heard maintained, so dangerous, in view was, not to give the people less, to public men, and so fatal to the energy of Government." more employment ; and hence arose thedoctrin e e gi of e protec in e Then follows the picture that' was drawn of the position in tion.—(Ministerial cheers, and ironical cheers from t h e Op which Government would' be placed if' they permitted the position.) principles laid down to be violated. " No' doubt y ou wou ld system, the could they show them that , under t present people would have a larger amount o f he food and easily find gentlemen to c arry on the administration of Go- a larger. amount of employment? The rice were the parties vernment, respectable men, and fully -equal to the duties who profited by the present system, and he would admit, of the executive, without meeting with the censure of Par- for the moment, the working classes. Notwithstanding liatnent ; but if you be satisfied with the mere discharge of what had been said, the manufacturers had not been gainers. executive functions, and do not insist neon ' the power of They complained last year, and though they might be making carrying into effect by legislation the advice' you thi n k it small profits bn e the home trade, t h ey your duty to give to the Crown, what need is there of con- port trecle.—(Hear, hear.) It the House thought he was cent among Ministers, and what are the consequences that arguing fiir a restoration of protection such as they h a d be must follow, what encouragement do you' give to the House fore, they quite misunderstood him. He had also said that of Commons to trespass on the prerogative of the Crown ? they should first exhaust every other mode. It seemed to It the Government say ' We are indep endent e of the 1%6- him that the object o f G entlemen o pposite was to have some lativd mea sures and•divisions of thi s House, that which is ground of quarrel.—(Hear, hear, and laughter, from the Op_ your , eculiarlanCtion we will disregard, our fate shall not position.) The Honourable Member (Mr. Cobden) saw they depend upon your decisions, nothing but your interference were npt Protectionists, and he was determined to make them with our executive administration shall influence oar reteu- so.—(Hear, hear.) At that moment he did not think it tion of - power,' what an inducement do you not hold out fair t o i a sk of Lord Derby's Governme n t a more explicit de to the House of Commons to interfere with the prerogatives claration than had been made.— (Cheers, and ironical of the Crown ?" Permit me now to read the following sett- cheas.D It the farmers of England thought proper to have tences :—" It is inconsistent with all usage, and inconsistent c onfidence in Lord Derby's Government, what was it to with the spirit of the Constitution, that a Government Honoatable Gentlemen opposite? They thought the country should be enabled to select the measures which it thinks would pot return to a Protectionist Government, and there proper to submit to the consideration of a condemned Par- tore they wanted Mini s t ers to go to the country. —(Hear, liament, that it should withdraw some and submit others , hear.) But Governme n t would not take thatco that it 'should tell the Parliament,' an immediate dissolu- (Ironical cheers from the Opposition.) They bad several - tion is 'in contemplation, but before we dissolve we will j ust thin g s to com p let e — they had to compl ete free trade, which ' bring forward those measures, the rejection of which we at present was one• sided. —(Hear, hear.) They had next to think•most likely to damage the House of Commons ie the complete reciprocity; then to complete protection; and also eyes of their constituents; we will propose popular voter, to complete the revision of taxation. He (Mr. CayleY) such, 'for example, ae that' for advancing money for, the con- thought he remembered that the Noble Lord (Lord Joh n struction of railways in Ireland ;we will bring forward la r- Russell) had said that the p resent was nut the fit tim e to m Ocular measures which we are of opinion may aid the party dissolve Parliament.— (He, hear )If that were so , wou l d cause of our Administration, but respecting every measure they not allow th e N o bl e Lord at. the head of the Govern which we have hither.° described as essential to the welfare meat to exe rc i se hi s discretion?—(Hear, hear, from the of the country—measures the principle of which has been Ministerial side.) 'When t he Noble Lord (Earl Derby) was. affirmed by large majorities in Parliament, but the greater not going to introduce an measures measures of his own, but to carry s t E of ur t o h p e e, se e si discussion of which may prejudice our cause at the hustings through such as were in ro t gres e s, —respecting them we will exercise our own discretion as to the season of t h e hyear,and when they considered s"onliitheet state r ll° w is, la e y t o h a er e t n h no ey a r e a h g a e l 1 thebe ia brought ouse o t f or e w o a m rd mo o n r s w t i o th tr h e e a l p d aa .' was thef opinion that for the few remaining of the metropolis, and the executive Government's province, and you encourage the throwhthe e he had to h business sition 0 alluded to, that they ought to l Hwohic e -h G oe ernment. Last year they would be necessary to carry executive, not to bring forward on their own responsibility acced e measure of which they approve, but to frame measures said that th t e e Pr p o r t o ec po ionists Govern with a view to party operations on a dissolution of Parlia- ment If that be so, why coule not carry on the not " give them rope enough?"— ment. If that be your position constitutionally, what due bea r hear, and laughter.) Why not give them some then devolves on Members of the House of Commons? boe y s ( month ' s' exp e rience? tey there not devolve on them this most:paramount obligation— why should If they had any confidence, in truth that they, for the ' maintenance of the rights of the Crown, rience would not object? He would ask why a little expe be beneficial to the country? He could ancifor their Protectioa against these evil consequences, should not help thinking that the present Government should be ,of declaring - th - eir '. 3 .: by precipitate interference interference with the take the first opportunity, not d—ah(ligeeraL, htehaer.n)angAesr, Government, but calmly and deliberately f a it. c e t o i u o r u sse m op p osit i on utst rin ; g to. permitted to c hoose their time for a dissolution of Parlia. x eeet n n o e t as the Noble Lord (Lord John Russell) had cliosen merit (Hear, hear.) sense of the great danger wich bY suc a h . o the second question hiLord J. RUSSELL said—We have here two very great and important questions to consider—one the question of the t is, that you shall take the oCf whatConstitution?—(Hear titu i s ti t o h n e ? Constitution, and another, the question of the policy, the . , _ 842 to the by sapnhat which you cannot take by tcommercial policy, which h as been pursued from 1 . 8 orm.—(Hear, hear.)o f the You know that you dare not directly which present time. Now, Sir, with respect to the question. has secured the enjoyments of the assail the policy te h Constitution, upon which I think much misapprehension has House of Commons is pledged ; butPbeople, and to whiocth take existed, and in relation to which much has been d, alleged lwill by assault, you attempt to take by ecause you cannot mime , against me which I believe to be totally TheE es, undeserved, f e a rv te e Ministry My Hon. Friend who has hist satd a newandetasoitehe s peech state what occurs to me on that subject. although I was of the Earl of Derby, expressin himse l f 9wnre f erre d l telsa tisfied resigned o ffi ce, and it appeared to me that g comp e Majesty to send for any one, with the tenor of that elate my not bound to recommend her speech. Let me congragreatestparty ' of the Honourable Friend upon his b •great deal more yet, as Lord Derby was at the hea d eing a find support in this easily satisfied than other people this House, and was more likely to d to me consonant a great many Minister, it seeme who have great difficulty in comprehending the meaning of House than any other d her Majesty to send for the that speech. But let my Hon. Friend go with me a little with my duty to recommen d maj3s y, t and, as I expected, into that speech, of which the principle laid down is, that Earl of Derby. He saw h executed the commands of her Majesty. the policy of 1842 w as ri g ht, but that the policy of 1846 was accepted office, and _.nistry then became one that wrong;; and that you should control the policy which was The position of the new All unfortunately adopted in 1846 with the p olic y of the tariff was consonant with our Parliamen tary constitution. Th ey seats and appe ar h ere of the U n it e d S tates of A mer ic a . Let me remind you, first had nothing to do but to take the ir of the way i n w hi c h t h e Right Hon. the Chancellor of the as Ministers o f the Crown. Brit what was their next Exchequer spoke of the American tariff. I have an extra ct s t ep ? They h a d avowed that they differed in opinion from adopted and pursued sines 1846. One from his sp eec h, r egarding the American . tariff, when the the commerci al policytbey Might have taken, and that was the He said—" The result course thereupon income-tax was renewed in 1848. reasonable. They might have taken th e course of of a tr a d e carr i e d on between a co untr y whi ch permits free most existing House of Commons, an d proposing the re imports, an d o ne which maintains hostile tariffs is, t h at t h e tamin g which they thought desirable to that Ho us e. That the exports of the former ar e dimin is h ed in proportio n t o th e measures the course taken by Lord Grey when I as organ of That is to say, that the exports of was amount of their tariffs." Government, proposed the Reform Bill lo b e House of in which free trade was established diminished, that a country ammo elected under the Gov ernment of t h e D u k e o f that maintained h os til e tar iff s in- et ns e while those of the countryt t hat Right w e nington. I myself had taken a smil er cour se in 1846, creased. Now, let me ask w h en I proposed to the House of Commons in which Sir R. this, that for eight he would account for years there was 10 erce tr ials change in the amount of ou r t ra d e b u t that U 2 Peel had a majority an alteration of th e suga r duties, and. p p d I carried on the business of the Gov ern ment during that 1842 it began'to spring, and in four ye ars it s had Incre l a s s 4 e 6, a nd the succeeding session with t h at H ouse of Commons. f ro m filey to sixty millions. Then c ame t h e po li c y of which Lord Derby, although he will not absolutely re t ee , But, if that were not the co urse t h at t h e pre sent Goveine is confiessedly prep ared t o modify. In the six at meat thought proper to tak e , t h ere was a nother course; h a ve el apsed since 1846 our trade has increased to , ye,tr,' s vet t% ni , attended with some. public inconvenience I admit , and to • which there were object' pe rfe ct ly constitutional after the sys- 1 ions, but lions —ghat is to say; increased more rapidly during the 1 and perfectly open to them. That was to declare, as the tem of trec2imports had' been introduced than I themeantime i Secretary of State for the Colonies declared the other day, period 'intervening between 1842 and 1846. In with ' that , wishing to revise, to alter,and to modify the policy what was the condition of the other country, Americ a,.t a cif ;of Parliament wit]; regard r oa No irade, in which hog oi trice 0 0 which we are comPered? I hold in wY 1 1 6 1 . 2 .7„- -e l ulu ,. , .