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I embrace this opportunity of returning my grateful Thanks .for the very flattering reception I have experienced during my Canvass, and which will encourage me to persevere in soliciting with greater zeal and attention your favourable Stiffrages on a future occasion. I have the honour to be, Ladies and Gentlemen, Your ,very faithful and humble Servant, HENRY ALEXANDER. .32, Upper Harley-street, May 21, 1823. PARLIAMENT. on the other side was really tenable, the Warehousing Bill and many other bills ought to have been sent to such a Committee as the order mentioned. indeed, a strict adherence to its terms would lead to interminable ingqty. He would not ob ject to the appointment of a formal-Coirunittee for the purpose of complying witb the letter of the order ; but to appoint a Committee to go into the matter in detail would be worse than to proceed with an inquiry at the Bar. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he re collected that the father of the order was the. Honourable and Learned Member for Guildford, who had spoken to him on the subject at the time; and he certainly did nut understand it to bear the construction which was contended for by the Honour able Member opposite. Sir JAMES IVIACKINTOSH professed himself to be fa vourable to the principle o f t h e Bill l ; but he feared the words of the standing order which had been quoted admitted of no doubt. The taking off' a restriction was, in his opinion, as much a "regulation" when trade was the subject -matter of a bill, as the putting on a restriction. He could not but notice what had fallen from his lion. Friend, the .'Member for Hen frewshire. He trusted his lion. Friend was, singular in his opinion respecting the fixing of a minimum of wages. He thought an attempt at fixing such a-mkirnum wolit be per fectly absurd, unless a 9141114 MA of rent;Oprices, a:id of every other subjeci of dealing in human affairs could first be secured. Mr. BARING thought the words of the standing order were perfectly clear; but th a t a f orma l C omm i ttee would suffice to comply with the strict terms of it. hear his own part, he wished to see the order itself repealed. He did not think the originat ing of it denoted the " absolute wisdoni.."—(A laugh.) Mr. HUSKISSON said, he wished, if possible, to put an end to this conversation. lie thought the order, at the time of making it, was not understood as it now appeared to be by Hon. Members; and that, if it were so to be understood, scarcely a Bill could proceed if it were enforced. He should therefOre, to-morrow, move for a Committee to consider this standing order; and to inquire —first, whether it affected the progress of this Bill ; and, next, whether it would be proper to repeal it. Mr. BUXTON asked whether the Right Hon. Gentleman intended to press the Bill to a second reading to-night. Mr. HUSKISSON said, that under the circumstances of the case he certainly should not. The petition was then brought up, read, and ordered to be printed. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MAY 21. PETITIONS. far as it could be persuaded of the practicability of doing so ; but he could not take credit to himself at the expence of those who had preceded him. They had met the proposals for re ducing taxation by the argument that the state of the revenue was such as not to render such reduction advisable. It had been his good fortune to find the revenue in such it state as to enable hint to come down to the House at a very early period of the Session, and to propose large reductions. The Hon. Gentleman said this tax was peculiarly oppressive upon the people, and peculiarly vexatious in its collectton. From these propositions he must express his dissent. lie did not mean to defend the taxsupon its antiquity, but it had existed for a great length of time, and its amount had been gradually Increasing up to the last year; it was not, therefore, one of those taxes which pressed so grievously upon the people as to present an in surmountable reason for their repeal. As to the expence of collection, the Hon. Member had made a mistake in estimating its amount at the Whole difference between the money paid by the country and that received into the Treasury. There was a large sum w hi c h went f or exportations and drawbacks. Cer tainly it was desirable that every possible reduction in the ex lence of collecti on s h ou ld b e made ; and he could assure the ion. Gentlem an , t h at t h ere was no point to which his atten tion, and that of the Lords of the Treasury, was snore anxiously directed. By the - arrangements already m a d e muc h saving would eventually be effected. If the revenue et:lsla - afford to lose the sum of 350,0004 at this moment, lie believed that he could shew many other taxes which it would be more desirable to reduce than the,tax on tallow candles. There was the article of tobacco, which,Trom the disproportionate amount of the duty to the price of the commodity, required attention. Then the tax on coals, tea, beer, snd many other articles, were all of them deserving a prior consideration to that now proposed to be re pealed, whether treated upon fiscal principles, or as affecting the revenue. The Hon. Gentleman forgot that in 1825 a tax to the same amount as this would expire ; he meant the re. mining 2s. a bushel upon salt.—(Hear, _fleas !)—lle s h ou ld also remember th at t h ere h ad been repeated discussions in that House upon the moral necessity of abolishing the Lottery. It was his intention to propose the Lotteries this year for the last time.—(Hear, hear !l-...t0 the Hon. Gentleman would see that ifthis amount of revenue were to he deducted, they should be *prevented from carrying their intentions into effect.— (Hear, hear !)—Upon these gro un d s he should vote aga i nst t h e motion. Mr. CUR WEN said, that the Right Hon. Gentleman had entirely blinked the question, and evaded all observation upon the manner in which it operated. It fell chiefly upon the la. homing classes, and as wages had been lowered to meet the low price of provisions, and it' they were not now advanced, such taxes must be taken off as pressed more immediately upon those classes. He thought the tax upon mould candles might he increased, and that upon the candles used by the poor man taken off: The great objection to our system of taxation was, that it pressed upon the laborious chisses, while the great capi talist escaped untouched. Mr. iIIONCK supported the motion, and contended that his Hon. Friend had made out a complete case, which had not been answered by the Eight Hon. Gentleman. Mr. SYKES briefly replied, and the motion was then nega tived without a division. Mr. LINDSAY presented a petition from Scotland, against the proposed alterations in the Linen Trade. Laid on the table. Sir W. LEMON presented a petition from Cornwall, pray , ing for the repeal of the Duty on Coals carried coastways.— Laid on the table. Mr. MANSFIELD presented a petition from the Wool staplers of Leicester, praying for an alteration relative to the Duty on Foreign Wool—Laid on the table. Mr. LEYCESTER presented a petition from Poole, praying for the total abolition of Slavery.—Laid on the table. Colonel STRUTT presented a similar petition from Wal tham.—baid on the table. Mr. CURWEN presented a petition from the County of Hereford, praying for the adoption of measures to obtain them a fair remunerative price for tallow. Also a similar petition from the Butchers of London and its vicinity.--Ordered to be printed. Lord LOWTHER presented petitions from Merchants and others in the County of Westmoreland, relative to the impor tation of Wool. Laid on the table. Mr. DRUMMOND presented a petition from Banff; N. 8., against the alteration in the laws reldting to the Scotch Linen Trade.—Ordered to be printed. -Mr. SYKES presented a Petition from Hull, praying for the equalization of the Duties on East and West Intha Sugar.—Or dered to be printed. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' ACT. BRITISH INSTITUTION, PALL-MALL. TIIE GALLERY, with a SELECTION of PICTURES by SIR JOSHUA REYNOLDS, and of the ITALIAN. SPANISH, FLEMISH, and DUTCH SCHOOLS. h OPEN DAILY, from Ten in the Morning until Six in the Evening. BS Order, JOHN.YOUNG, Keeper. Admission Is.—Catalogue The Subscribers to the Print from Mr. West's Pictu►e of " Our Saviour Healing the Sick in the Temple," who have not already received their Impressions, may receive them upon payment of the Remainder of their Subscriptions, at the British Institution. MR. SAMUEL'S PAINTINGS, DRAWINGS, AND PRINTS TO - 13 E SOW BY AIT6TION. By Mr. SOTHEBY, at. his House, WELEANGTON-STREET, WATERLOO Bltl noE, STRAND, on MONDAY, the Vatli day of May, and Two following Days, at Twelve &Clock, THE Entire and Valuable COLLECTION of PAINTINGS and COLOURED DRAWINGS, by that Etnineot Artist, GEORGE . - SAMUEL, Esq. removed from his Residence in Richmond-buildings, Soho. Also, his Choice SELECTION of PRINTS, consisting of Etchings and Engravings, by and after the most celebrated Masters of the Italian, Dutch, Flemish, French, and Eng lish Schools. • Mr. HUSKISSON immediately gave notice that he should, to-morrow, move for the appoi n t me nt o f suc h a C ommittee as !le had mentioned. Sir G. HILL presented a petition from the Clerk of the Peace of the County of Londonderry, praying for addition a l remuneration.—Ordered to lie o n the table. Mr. BYNG presented a petition; very numerously signed, from the Churchwardens, Overseers of the Poor, and Nimbi. tants of Bethnal Green, against the repeal of the Spitaltield's Act. The Hon. Member expressed his hope that they would not be sent away unheard. The Petition was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. WHITBREAD presented a similar petition from Mile End New Town, which, after a few words from Mr. D. BROWNE and Mr. Husussoat, was ordered to lie on the table. Among the Paintings are, his Views of Windsor Castle, Greenwich Hospital, Eshing Mill near Godalming, and other very interesting Prospects in England and Wales, • Together with his Numerous Assortment of Painting and Drawing Utensils, &c May he viewed, and Catalogues had, at the place of Sale. PARSONS' HOOPING COUGH MEDICINE. 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DICTIONARY O 1 SCIENTIFIC TERMS, (As a Companion to Dr. Johnson's Dictionary). This Day was published, In Two large . Volumes, 4t0., ill ustrated by 60 Copperplates, and more than 500 Diagrams, A N UNIVERSAL TECHNOLOGICAL . DICTIONARY; or Familiar Explanation of the Terms Used in all Arts and Sciences; containing Definitions drawn Wm original Writers. By GEORGE CRABS, Author of " English Syrionymes London : Printed for Baldwin, - Craddock, and Joy. " a * For variety and comprehensiveness of information, sys tematic arrangement, and practical" utility, this work chal lenges competition. It has a decided superiority over every other book of reference ; and the publishers look forward to the period, at no great distance,_ when, its merits being fully known and d u ly appreciated by the public, there will not b e found a lov er of literature in this or any other country where the English language is known, who will not consider the Technological Dictionary an important acquisition to his library,. Mr. FOLEY 'presented a petition from Barnard Castle I against the Insolvent Debtors' Act.—Laid on the table. Mr. HOBIIOUSE presented a petition from the inhabitants of the City of Westminster, praying that some alterations may be made in the present Insolvent Laws. The petitioners su gested that the decision of three fourths of the creditors should be binding on the debtor. The Hon. Member contended at sonic length on the necessity that existed ofrevising this branch of the laws.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. LAMBTON presented a petition from Durham, pray ' ing for the Abolition of Slavery. The LORD MAYOR presented a petition from the City of London, against the repeal of the Spitalfields Act. Mr. CALVERT supported the petition, observing that the petitioners must know their own interests. Mr. RICA RaDO thought this petition only supported the proposers of the obnoxious measure. After a few words from Mr. W. SMITH, the petition was read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. S. WORTLE I presented a petition from Whitby, Yorkshire, for the total abolition of Slavery.—Laid on the table. Sir T. ACIAND presented a petition from the Farmers and Occupiers of Land in Devonshire, complaining of Agricultural Distress.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. HART DAVIS presented a petition from Bristol, praying for the remission of duty on coals carried coastways. Captain WEMYSS presented a petition from Fifeshire, praying for a duty on the import a tion o f f ore i gn tallow. —Also from the operative Weavers of Fifeshire, in favour of the Bill, for altering the laws relative to the linen trade of Scotland.— Laid on the table. Mr. HUM presented a petition from persons concerned In the manufacture of oxyinunatic acid for the linen weavers of Arbroath, in Scotland, praying for a repeal of the duty on sulphur, which affected their trade.—Ordered to be printed. SILK TRADE. Mr. F. BUXTON presented a petition from the Silk Wea vers of LOndon and Westminster, expressive of alarm and dismay at the proposed measure affecting their trade, and pray. ing it may not pass into slaw ; and to be permitted to be heard by Counsel at the Bar. Mr. HUME ex' tressed his conviction that the Bill in ques tion was calculated to benefit the whole country and the peti. tioners in particular. Mr. BUXTON contended the petitioners were at least en titled to their prayer to be heard by Counsel. Mr. ELLICE supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. HALDIIIIAND gave his opinion decitleilly in favour of the measure for the repeal of the Spitalfields Bill. Mr. RICARDO pointed out the error of the notion that this Bill contributed to the welfare of the petitioners. It was clear that their trade would entirely leave them for other places, if the Act in question were allow e d t o cont i nue . Mr. S. lI7ORTLEY hoped the House would allow a COM mittee to be appointed on this subject, which he thought would be the best means of convincing the parties that the proposed measure was for their benefit. Mr. PHILLIPS deprecated unnecessary delay, even of a single day. Mr. HUSKISSON assured Hon. Gentlemen that if they thought delay would tend to allay the feelings which had been excited against this measure, they were mistaken. It was not a new question, and had been often discussed. The sooner the final judgment of Parliament were pronounced on the subject, the better for the petitioners. To appoint a Com mittee would be considere 1 as a virtual abandonment of the measure. At this very moment the masters an 1 weavers were disputing amongst each other. The Magistrates could not settle so complicated a point, and it belonged to that House to step in. Mr. CALCRAFT thought the parties in question entitled to indulgence in the request they had made. All that he asked was, that the Right Hon. Gentleman would allow such an in terim in his Bill as would allow of their being heard in their own behalf. Mr. S. RICE saida few words in favour of the petition. Mr. F. BUXTON, In moving that the petition be printed, begged to say, that an Hon. Fnend had just pointed out to him an Order of the House, which required that a Bill like this affecting trade should be sent to a Committee up stairs. The Hon. Gentleman handed over the Order Book. Mr. HUSKISSON said, that the order to which the Hon. Member referred was, " That no Bill regulating the conduct of any Trade, altering the laws relative to it, affixing any works, or requiring any pattern, can be passed without being referred to a Special Committee." He remembered the intro duction of this order, and in his view its meaning was, that it should apply only to Bills intending to establish regulations which never existed before, and it was intended us a check upon measures interfering with trade, or any attempt on the part of Parliament to tell the trader how he should carry on his busi ness. Whatever were the words of the Order, that he felt con vinced was the original intention of it. Mr. S. 'WORTLEY thought this was a case falling within the meaning of the Order, which applied to any measure offer. ing either to do away or to introduce regulations into trade, and the intention of the Order he took to be, that the parties in such cases should have an opportunity of being heard. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the Order sprang out of an objection made by the Lords to pass a Bill laying restrictions on trade in which sufficient no tice had not been given to the parties. He considered it to apply to a Bill for laying on restrictions, but not for taking them off. After a few words from Lord MILTON, Air. ELLICE said, he perfectly well recollected the origin of the standing order in question. It arose out of a Bill respect ing the trade at Leicester, which Bill was afterwards rejected in another place. The consideration of the present question might, very conveniently, be postponed, until the Right Hon. Gentleman had considered whether he would grant the inquiry solicited by the petitioners. After a few words from Mr. D. BROWNE, the petition was. ordered to be printed. Mr. F. BUXTON presented another petition from the Traders of Spitalfields and its neighbourhood, not connected with the Silk Tr a d e , aga i nst the Bill referred to by the. last pe. tition. He wished to impress on the mind of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite that there was no likelihoocl of the Session being lost by his acceding to the request for delay. After a few worth from Mr. PHILIPS respecting the stand ing order, Mr. ELLICE said he trusted the second reading of the Bill would, at all events, not be pressed to-night. Mr. WALLACE said the obvious meaning of the standing order was merely to prevent precipitancy in any measure at. fecting trade. He believed the standing order now referred to was brought forward merely for the purpose of defeating the Bill. And if the standing order were to be interpreted as the petitioners wished, the Bill would certainly be lost this Session. Mr. MAXWELL thought the Magistrates ought to have a power of regulating a minimum of wages. Mr. HUSKISSON said, that it' there was a doubt as to the mcaning of the words of this standing order,. it ought, maintained • '.".., , 4. - • :a .. RUSSIAN MARITIME CLAIMS. Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH wished to ask a question of his Right Hon. Friend, the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, on a subject closely connected with the honour of the Crown and the interest of our commerce. It would be in the recollection of the House that he had, last Session, questioned a Noble Marquis, now no more, as to certain extravagant pretensions put forth by Russia to the exclusive right of navigation along a considerable portion of the west coast of America, including a part of it belonging t o ,England. The Nobl e M arqu i s h a d answered that England had protested against these pretensions. It was now understood that they no longer rested upon theory, but that Russian vessels of war had been sent to warn off those of all other nations found in the waters between Nootka Sound and Japan, thus treating those waters as part of the Empire of Russia. In consequence of this, American vessels had been driven off, which be presumed was a p re par a t or y step to t h e driving off thos e o f other natione, including our own, and was tolerably indicative of that aggradizing spirit Which had al ready been displayed by that Power. wished to know whether Government had received any official information as to the acts he had mentioned; whether any thing had - been done by . our Government in consequence. and whether any negociatron was pending on the su bj ect of these pretens i ons ? Mr. Secretary CANNING, in answer to the question of his Hon. and Learned Friend, begged to say that Government had received no information' of the nature he had alluded to. The Protest which bad been mentioned was renewed at the Con gress at Vienna ; a negociation was pending on the subject, and, for the purposes of th at ncgociation , instruct i ons had been forwarded to our Ambassador at the Court in question in the full spirit of the Protest alluded t o b y hi s Hon. and Learned Friend. A DMIRALTY OFFICES. Mr. BROUOIIAM seeing an lion. Baronet, one of the Lords of the Admiralty, i n hi s place, begged to know if the two buildings now erecting in New -street, Spring-gardens, were intended for the accommodation of any persons holding situations in the Admiralty ? Ile had hard they were ; and he had heard indeed that it was intended to build a third house I'm , the same purpose. Sir OEORGE COCKBURN said, there were two hous es building in New- street; o ne was intended for the Secretary of the Admiralty, the other was to be used as an office. They would be built at an expence of about 5000/. and would be the means of saving 500/. a year, which was now paid as an allow an" for house rent to the Officers for whose use these offices were intended. _ _ After a few words from AIL 13Rouumot and Sir GEORGE COCKBURN, Mr. ELLiCE said the houses were built so as to project, and become a perfect nuisance. Sir GEORDE COCKBURN said he understood this was not so ; that the other houses had given way.—(A laugh.)—The conversation here Aropped. _ Lord MILTON presented a petition from a place in t h e West Riding of Yorkshire, praying fir a Bill to facilitate the Recovery of Small Debts. Referred to the Committee on Small Debts. IRISH TRADE. Mr. S. RICE presented a petition from several Merchants of Limerick, complaining of the heavy charges to which ships concerned in the trade of Ireland were exposed. There was one ship owner of Belfast who had to pay on voyages from Belfast to London, a sum which, on comparison with the same number of ships from Liverpool to London was as 1,7001. was to 281. This large sum was p a y a bl e c hi efly to harbours, such as Dov er and - Ramsgate. He conceived that justice no less than policy required that the trade of Ireland should be put on an equal footing with that of England. He knew not whether it was necessary for his Majesty's Govern. ment to take up this subject, or whether it was within the power of the Committee on Foreign Trade to take it into their con. sickration. Mr. WALLACE said, the Committee on Foreign Trade had this very subject under their consideration. It was no doubt proper that the Irish Tmle should stand upon an equa lity with that of England. Mr. ELLICE took the present opportunity of noticing the charges on our Colonial shipping. In some cases they were as much as 10s. a ton on a ship of 300 tons ; and' they were gene. rally for the benefit of different persons holding offi i ces n the islands at which they were imposed. In the Foreign Colonies these duties did not amount to more than one shilling sterling per ton, and were imposed to defray the expences of certain Police regulations. Ile wished to know whether there was any intention to reduce these charges. Mr. lIUSEISSON said, the subject had been considered but the lion. Alember, was not unaware that it was one of con siderable difficulty„ The charges in question had been prin cipally imposed by the local legislatures of the different colo. meg. With regard to the petition about to be brought up, he fully concurred in all that had been said, t o she* how desirable it was to rernetli the inequality complained of by the petitioneri. Sir .1. NEM PORT spoke in favour of the petition. It was, be said, the practice of our Customs to treat the Irish trade as a foreign one, and impose upon it all the consequential re strictions. Mr. ELLICE explained ; and the petition was then brought up, read and referred to the Committee on Foreign Trade. DUTY ON CANDLES. Mr. SYKES rose, pursuant to a notice he t u rd g i ven, to call the attention of the House to the duty on Candles. Ile had last Session given notice of a motion on this subject ; but his notice dropped in consequence of there being no House on the day he had fixed. Bellied° no complaint of this circumstance; indeed he scarcely regretted it, for he felt convinced that he should now introduce the motion, with which it was his inten tion to conclude, under circumstances more favourable to his case than he should have done, had he succeeded in bringing it on last Session. It was then asserted that the country would not be relieved by the reduction of taxes ; and this assertion was di.. rected particularly against the complaints of the landed interest. Now, he was happy to say, this assertion had been admitted to be erroneous; for his Majesty's Speech, at the opening of the Session, had pointed to the reduction of taxes as the only mode of relieving the country, and particularly the Agriculturist.— He was happy, too, to find that the delusion which was held out for some time, of obt a i n i ng re li e f b y forcing up prices, had bgen dispelled, and that a diminution of expenditure was admitted to be the only true mode of obtaining any relief at all. He believed he might consider that point as conceded to him ; and, if so, the only question would be the measure of di. minution, and the mode by which it was to be effected. He was much gratified at the repeal which had taken place of a large portion of the Assessed Taxes ; but the taking off of taxes on windows, hunters, and the rest, could not, he itna. gined, be said to assist the fanner. But, be that as it might, he contended that relief had not been granted either in the mode or to the degree . which was absolutely necessary...—. He thought Ministers were perfectly right in endeavouring to preserve our neutrality in the course or the struggle which now atcted apart o f E urope; b ut if we preserved peace we ought bathe advanta ges o f peace. The principal misa. chief of war was alleged to be, that it would prevent any re duction of the public burthens. Again, he said, the question was, whether reduction had gone to the full and proper extent. So decidedly was he of opinion it had not, that he could not think of going down into the country and facing his consti tuents, had he not done his best to obtain a further reduction. Having thus disposed of such general preliminary observations as he considered necessary, he should proceed to explain why he thought the tax upon tallow candles a fit tax for repeal in preference to any other. It certainly was not of any great amount; but he did not expect that this circumstance would be thrown in his teeth by those who opposed bi ns ; f or if t h e re peal was little to ask, it was also little to grant. The gross amount produced by the tax was 375,000/. in England, of which 313,0001. was nett, and a sum in Scotland which yielded only 16,0001. nett. The whole amount was about 329,000/. net.._.. In Ireland there was no candle tax at all ; but lie hoped that this circumstance would not deprive him of the support of the Irish Members, who, he had no doubt, would consider the ge neral interests of the country, as they had so.often called u p on others to do. The first of his objections to this tax was, that the difference between the gross and the net amount was extra ordinarily great ; and he believed he might advance it as a principle in political economy, that this was a serious objec. tion to any tax. The average amount of the expence of col. lecting the whole Revenue was 3/. 16s. Id. per cent., but the expellee of collecting this tax was no less than 17 per cent. on the gross, and 20 per cent. on the net amount. Indeed, it wits the most expensive in the collection of all the taxes. Another objection was that it pressed particularly on the poor. The rich consumed wax, spermaceti, gas, and other art i c l es o f consumption, invented by philosophy or luxury, but the poor man had nothing beyond the stick in his fire to afford him light, except the tallow candle. Indeed it almost appeared as if human ingenuity bad been exerted to make this tax fall particularly on the poor. Perhaps few of the Honourable Members around him knew any thing of tallow candles except.by the smell of a tallow chandler's shop. How. ever, there were such things as tallow candles; and were prin cipally divided into what were called moulds and dips. The former he might take as being sold at 9d. a pound ; the latter at 7d. ; and it so happened that the tax fell heavier upon the dips which particularly and especially were consumed by the poorer classes. The disproportion in this instance was as much as 12 per cent. ,Another objection to the tax was, that it operated as a tax upon labour. Many poor persons worked, particularly in wint er , b y can dl e li g h t ; and a man who earned but eighteen or twenty p e n ce a d ay , was not unfrequently obliged to pay 3d. for candles. Thus the tax fell, not only upon the poor, but upon the laborious poor. His next objet. Lion was, that this, of all taxes, was the most vexatious in its collection. If lion. Gentlemen would look through the different Acts passed respecting this Tax, they would be sue prized at the comp li cat i on of penalties lich were imposed by them. He had received a letter from a Tallow Chandler, com plaining of these penalties, and of Vie visitations to which he was exposed ; and adding, that he and his man were obliged to take no less than-33 oaths in one month, respecting this tax. This latter circumstance was one, he was sure, which would gall him the support of sonic of the lion. Members of that house in his Motion for the Repeal. In short, all the regula tions were paltry, and yet offensive. lie trusted that he had now made out the four propositions which he considered necessary to support his case. First, that it was an ex. pensive Tax in the collection ; secondly, that it fell prin. cipelly, if' not exclusively, on the poor ; thirdly, that of the poorer, it pressed most heavy on the 'shouting classes ; and fourthly, that it was vexatious in its operation. If these were not reasons for repealing a Tax, he really slid not know on wh a t groun d s i t cou l d fairly be pro. posed to repeal any tax. It might be said, in support of the present one, that it was a ve r y o ld tux , and had been imposed in the reign of William and Mary, lie be lieved ; but he submitted that that was not the era of our his. tory in which the wise principles of taxation were best under. stood. If he were to be told that he ought not to prose the repeal of thi s t ax w i t h out b eing ready to propose another as a substitute, he would answer, that " he was not Chancellor of the Exchequer," and that it was not his business to find a substitute. He was, however, ready to waive his right to make this answer, and would refer the Chancellor of the Ex chequer to substitute for this and many other taxes ; to a storehouse for substitutes—he meant Economy in the Public Expenditure.—(Hear, hear !)—An economy to be derived from the reduction of large salaries, and a saving in, the expence of collecting our Revenue. Much could be saved from our large Establishments, our Civil List, and our heavy Salaries. From such sources us these it would not be difficult to raise the three hundred thousand pounds saved by the re. auction of this tax. He knew very well that a . practice had prevailed of meeting proposals to cut d own salaries, by extol ing the me r it s o f the individuals who recei ve d them. This had been done on occasion of' the Duke of York's 10,0001. a-year for uttehding on his late Father. It was then urged that he was a good son. On another occasion, when it was proposed to reduce the salary of an lion. Gentleman, the Secretary to the Board of Controul, his merits were spoken of by the Right Hon. Secretary for Forei gn Affairs. They were indeed me. tits of another description; for the Right Hon. secretary stated, that the lion. Gentleman had just had a tenth child.— (A laugh.) —So that the filial merit of one., and the parental me nt of another, were equally good excuses for an allowance of large salaries, and for outweighing the just claims of' the coun try. His lion. Friend, the Member for Cumberland, had pro potted to take oil' this tax, and find a substitute fpr it in a tax upon the importation of foreign tallow. lie (Mr. S.) did not admire this proposal. Ills object was to take away the bur. then altogether, and not merely shift it about. If, however, he could not obtain the total repeal of the tax, lie would fall in with the proposal of his Hon. Friend. lie had now dis charged his duty ; and it was for time House to discharge theirs. It was no great boon that he asked ; but as far us it went, it would afford a very seasonable relief. In every point of view he thought the subject worthy the serious consideration of Mi nisters, and was of opinion that the repeal of this tax was most advisable. Before he sat down, ho would shortly anticipate en argument which lie believed would be urged against his motion. Ile knew the House had resolved that a Sinking Fund should be maintained to the amount of five millions; but this resolu. tion did pot, he apprellefided, bind the House to shut itself out against discussion. For his own part he confe sse d t h at h e was no great admirer of the Sinking I;'und. He liked to see a stir. plus revenue over expenditure; but he had witnessed much of the delusion which had been worked by a Sinking Fund from its first suggestion by Sir Robert Walpole to its completion by Mr. Pitt, and from that up to the present time, and the result of his observation was, that the Sinking Fund was an engine in the hands of Government for raising taxes and spending the public money. The lion. Member timedcoed by moving tor leave to bring in a Bill for repealing duty on Tallow Candles. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that in what he hail to address to the House, he did not expect to be stdamusing us th e li on . Gentleman had been; but he should, at least, follow his example, in stating as briefly as he could, the grounds upon which he opposed the motion. First, he would say that the revenue could not afford to lose a tax witch brought in 350,0001. and this was not a tax which pressed with particular severity upon any class of the people. So that if the revenue could afford such a loss, there were many other taxes which required relief i n an i n fi n it e ly grea t er degree 'than this—(lleer, hear, hear I)—The lion. Gentlemen hail done tie Government no more than justice in acknowledging the extra tons of the . Government, and its readiness to reduce taxation as CRIMINAL WS. Sir JAMES MACK INTOSHLA rose, pursuant to his no tice, to move certain Resolutions relative to the, state of the Criminal Law. He observed, that as he had on former oc casions had the honour to introduce this subject to the notice of the House, he should not new preface it by observations, which however pertinent to the subject, could not by any means be supposed novel to most present. Ile should therefore avoid any thing like a formal general introduction at p resent , an d proceed at once to give the House his reasons f or t h e mot i on i n as novel ia shape as circumstances and the time which had elapsed since his last motion would enable him. He recollected on his return from the East, that the first public discussion h e h ear d was in the House of Lords on a similar measure, which hail been introduced by that great and humane man Sir Samuel . Homily. It was said on that occasion, that if foreigners were to judge of us by the existing regu l at i ons an d penalties of our Criminal Code, we must be considered by strangers as nothing less than an association of ferocioos herbaria:7s. How. ever bold such an assertion might be, yet the more he thought of the expression the less was he disposed to take an exception to it. Ile would, for instance, ask what foreignere must think of a country where there were not less than 200 ease* of crimes liable to the penalty of death, only 20 of which hoWever were ever put into execution ; where there was a Code dmouncing threats to such an extent that they rendered the laws themselves feeble; where there was a code of laws founded on principles which were, ev en i n t h eory , o d ious, and rendered that code in practice, impotent; where there were laws by which the children, though innocent, were punished with the guilty father; and, what was still worse, as in the corruption of blood, where children were rendered liable to punishment, when there had been no condemnation of the father whatever ; and lastly, where there were laws which carried so far their anhnosity to the of. fender as to ►wreak their vengeance on the inanimate remains of the dead ?—(Hear!)---What would the foreigner then say if' he were told that we h a d th e T r i a l b y Jury, the writ of Habe as Corpus, and enjoyed the bl ess i ng of the recognised principl e o f a popular representation ? Would not such an irreconcileable political phenomenon strike the foreigner with wonder and astonishment ? It might, perhaps, be said, all these abuses were the remains of past ages of barbarity and ignorance; probably then that foreigner would be disposed to admit this as an excuse ; but what would be his surprise when he learned that all these le g alized barbarities w ere in t h e 19ih century advocated hymen of the first character for humanity and learning. Here the Hon. and Learned Member read from the work of an ingenious friend of his, Mr. Cranston, a description of the character of our present Penal and Criminal Law ; and said he should proceed to argue against the propriety, justice, and policy of our present Code on these subjects, assuming that the resolution of the 4th of June last was now to be taken as read. Here he took a review of how the question was placed as regarded the previous resolutions of the House upon it. In the year 1819 a Committee had been appointed to investigate this subject, upon his recommendation and on his motion. In 1820 several measures were introduced into the House upon the suggestion of that Committee, which, however, were unsatisfactory to him. Howev er sma ll as t h ese 1 concessions were they were only reform made in our Criminal Laws since the reign of Edward VI. It was, however, a subject of gratification to find that by this reform ten eases of capital criminality had been wiped away from the Statute.book in the first year of the reign of his present Majesty. He alluded with pleaeure, he said, to the abrogation of the capital part of felony in cases of fraudulent bankruptcy. In the year 18tH the House went so far as to approve of the proposed repeal of the capital felony in cases of forgery; but this bad been got rid of, by what he called a Parliamentary stratagem. In the last year the House adopted a general Resolution, pledging itself to consider and devise means of increasing the efficacy of the Criminal Code by diminishing the rigour of punishment. And here he must advert to a case, which was the more valuable as it came from an enemy's quarter—" Graia pendetur ab urbe."— He hail seen in some publication that there was a Bill under consideration somewhere fer regulating the laws relating to marriages, and was most happy to find it went to repeal that odious and abominable Statute, the 2tith of George 11. On a former occasion he had proposed to repeal the five capital offences created by that Statute, and his argum ent h a d b een met by a statement that h e was about to sap the foundation of our Constitution. But now he had found that the very man who was strongest in opposi ng t hi s re f orm of the criminal code, had. made the admission that the best way to refOrm the criminal code was by increa s in g the efficacy of that code. After such events as these had taken place, he would tell the Patriarchs of Ancient Institutions, the Elders themselves, that the leader of their sect had decided in the teeth of those objection and in favour of his principle. H e now coneeived he was strict! entitled to call on the Ho use , p ursuant to i ts p l edge , to abate file undue rigour of the law. With that view he should propose a set of Re solutions, which eheweil in the first place all that hail hitherto been done in the way of reform of the criminal code, and next lead the House to embrace a declaration of its opinion attic propriety of adopting a series of future measures which he meant to pro .e. In so doing, he thought he should snore likely be charged with deficiency than imprudence. And addreesing . iiiinself to i t at:: i e r v ta se t v:ti f nt o th7 r tethi a l:b ei n i d s: thn cruse teew:raaetitic;°l o ti ‘tildirc positivepc: °n u ' s ; h lhnt : e i gn: i n4 C i ti e 4elmt . 1°: . e l ret efe `h rt .Pch e effier g 4i nc r t "i:re i l l n nt ilcrinr' a ci °I criminal ishn e; tita tj ehl ;lie( Gale i t glt '') d: 'll o 6 l , ioni : f. u iti n sic)ru il i t i : its i .,o l f i le c wn n tia t ie f tecl o g u . i le r. l v7 l e,u l t t sa i i i t a t ki ir t icit las toftho jt e c itsh t hge nni tinit n inw r ithitti r gr r r er : l,lp .. if - lieweci r tivi,, hf l principles'of tolixation, and the spirit of pereecution had alweys firuind that the blood of the martyrs was the seed of the Chun' it was False as a principle that crime was the result of delibera tion. Crime sprung out of passions deeply planted in our na ure, growing with our growth, and strengthening with our