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NEWPORT had known Proclamations con. tinually publiNhod for a length of time after the lapse of the period to which the rewards they of. fered were Mr. DENT , RRAVOIR said a few words in defence of the 1 .1, * " 4 `ml,uhlin Papers ; and Mr. 'FOSTE Tublication arose from the p ten till lately chargeti wtr. Printers of News. Pad they had no other ~.~ Mr. JUSTICE FOX. Lord W?,istriquata, pursuant to a Reseduti!'n r i A. ''' tii CoLntni,tee upon the Charges agatost Justice (X} 'loed, that the said Committee have power to ri.liprt from time I', time. ' i J-4aird aARLISLE Objetled to it, de em i ng i t pre q'-"h le that no Ittport should t he Charg es were be m a d e unt il the whole gone through. . Lillis Hawtcesauav,GßlNVll.l.E, and the LORD CHANCRLLOR, supported the -Mutton, on the ground, that it 'went not to bind either the Committee or the 1.1 " re ny. specific line .of proceeding. °I/ the question being put , it was ordered as. curd ? • . . DOC K YARDS, 44:.. 41 ii 4 TR ' . 1 : 11 , CV E, after ally i'' erting to the COM' 1 'Bo'l, in the f)zek yAftis, anti the sottattt4cces Italiten "t' z place it, Dio e vkshire, oltritit t he h.rae time, stated, that upward, of one hundred ,elet were diteharged from the 11:ek Yards in con. B:9l,enct, at inert nor fit to be employed in the King's sor rvicl. ,' Ind that afterwards several of these were /r ete ll la reen t e r into certain of the Dock Yards. fic e r t : l ' ivcd i that a Liit of the Names of hitch Arti liou,e.' '" re - entered s h ou l d be laid before the e, iit, - 1111•• 3 f ' Prat-laced an uninieresting conversation ' he. ''''''-en Lnrds MlL*lt.te, Sr. ViNCENT, and the vo„'tbi,e 11Lver, which ended by an Amendment pro. fi„..‘ l _ . 11 T he foitner Peer, for leaving, .out ,, tl l te ta""i, and stating the whole ntiriber, disringt.o..t. , ihe , ddrerent trades, &c. being agtetd to by the • Jute. iv IRISH PRISONERS. iil Ord k" „, :, - ...tsrc moved for a Copy of the Depositions ,lif,:ir'ail' l'risoners confined in the Gaol of.: Kilirl'in "''''fore Hi, Nh' lt j 'a judges, together with the cta it (4 , . j s . y A i ( ‘t i rims', in July. I,„o*l'r` e ~ve,,ation on the tOtic ensued between Ohl{ tit 'll4WrlkkAl ' C m If; ItlsYts'elt.l:.: it ' G' ; at t g h w e .11 :e l ; I t; l i t ' o p t e tt i 'l ; Zl '' ) 4 'that vi , viinistrro not being prepared either to as. ' , zot or n _ , ,iNiq egative the Moio, without., forthe,r vil ii i' l agPr°lo4ell an Ad'ourntnent till to.morrow ; c 'i wall reed co.. :1 ' t ; c rt g l ,„ s • 4 " rorn 0 %.". i t })3la: it. LfDeS; ill3tlt f(001 11101, froi friuti Leolibiat the Expences of t Prosecutions in Lci ohjedied to this he•Expencee of such the. Counties,which the offences, in right Cri • Ire Gra Prose were irn, )f aunty ct • of a S* ll Mt , on Bru e ,,, t4 ' tiectr of the —.4ls .troe two-seventeenths of this charge ony were to be defrayed by Ireland but he would not countenance an unwise exile di. tore- in- Ireland because the 'charge was to fall Chiefly AO England.'' The only objett of this Grant,`: and this mode of defraying the Expences of Nose. cutions - , was to give an increase of patronage by the appointment of a Crown Solicitor to each Cir cuit instead of o n e f or I re l an d, as b e f ore 1794. Mr. Fo'‘TErt said, the defraying of the Expences of Prosecutions in this-mode arose ftorn the preva lence of disaffeftion since 1794., which rendered the expense too chargeable to be borne by individuals, or to be defrayed by local imposition, particularly since the Rebellion of 1798. Mr. FItZORRALD was satisfied ' t'o agree to the Grant for t he ‘object of State Offences, and proposed an Amendment, limiting it to offences of that kind, on whiCh he at first proposed to take the sense of the Muse ; but after conversation, in which Mr. FOSTER and Mr. ORMSBY defended the applicatitin of the Grant, indMr, FITZGERALD and Sir JOHN NEWPORT warmly opposed it, as. founded on a view to patronage, - and' hostile to good policy, the Resolution was agreed to without a division ; as was one for granting aid to the College of Surgeons in Dublin.' ; itottleyi the 11°' ire. Pl°. cry ; 11‘ *lO p• ,c?I 71 6 1 9 , ,•6 6 II ) r I 1 L oi 3.0*" The Report was ardetedsto be received to.mur. rOtv. Mr. WHITBREAD asked some questions as to the'bounty given to induct: men ,to volunteer from limited service to the Line; which' the SSCRETARY at WAR said was about nine gUintas, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHPQ(7I4It, in answer to some qtiestions ,from 'the satne Hon. Gentleman, said, the Return of the deficiencies in the Militia could nut distinguish 'between the Original and Supplementary, because such a diOnOioll was acatcely made in any County. With re a p e r to a question as to t h e number. of men raised under the Defenee,Ad, it was 398 in Scotland, 1500 . 41 Ire. land,. and 13'81 in England.. Lord fistutY rirry rose to move, that there be, laid before 'the House . a Copy of the Depositions of the State Prisoners confinedin the Gaul of Kilmairt. ham, in the Cotiniy of Dublin, taken on oath be fore the Justices of the King's Bench in Ireland, sent for the purpose on the 16th and 17 th July !Asti and also Copies of the Letters addressed to the Lord Lieutenant on this subjea - by the Prisoners. At the 'desire of the CHANiPLLOR nt the EXCIIII. gout, who thought this matter required r'considera. Lion, the Noble Lord contented himself .with giVing notice for Friday. .Sir jont , r, IslewPnp gave notice, that to_inor_ tow he' would move for an Account of the Expendi-: lure of the Stims granted to the Government of Ire land fo r low expcnccs from the Uaion to the sth Jan, 1905. ......i....,,.... ••••••,...... .............. iiOl,l3E OF COI4III9ONS. Vtatintonv:, MARCFI 6. ~, MIDDLESEX ELECTION. the , !, elerk.nf the Crown amen(!tA.i. thet_i:ettitramrar'efol ( D i ,„'" Y 0 Middlesex by erasing h tai .‘ "LNlN‘vAktNtt El. and inserting vii i , ,, , that of 0 Gl:K:4yr. • ' l')!' gl i 4.., IVl'‘un' of Sir joutl ANDERSON , it was ::lletist""t M ' t.M AI NW A A IN% atiti the Fteeh'ide." ,?'4:lettfx, may petition Opinst Sir F. Etrao ail', A4l 1411'711 if. they think fi t. qr—u Account of the quantity of Salt from exported and an Mr. Ro t; Ac t e 'l Hrit 'in was presented by b 111 " of the itantity of Sugar, imported and ex rotted, i i .. td, tly mr .7 ,Tir. QUNG. L N ,' //4 X Ell. brOUght Ina Bill to enable Mr. Ulii, jt ; t tu dispose by Lottery of the Pidturee in hut, , t()%e G'lllety. •The- Bill was read a fi rst time,. ~, , crue,ed t h re ii a second time, alter . son . Nein. 0 ,e. a 4 41yi f ,T,' .„ f „'' r ni _r_Vier. ,Fut.LllR, which were. done who explained the kincilleis "I f . W •44 ITH. d that the la- ~, , u the Bill, _acid l amente d i', l. ' uf Artiits so. meritorious had not. a better Si t t o , d from the Com- Init. J ilk ANOBIthOtt , tel4"te ' ' the . miry to w hoa) the Petition of the Bakers o f 17.tiiitle ttf London lied been referred. " e "1(4 40 1 the /takers entitled, to 1(N/tact oftod per ,sack. from the advance on al: t i l ri l ;r C ea o s m ed - ~ iv: ur t 'nd sd. from tile advance. on Salt, L e /i4Vel-1 tu bring in a .Bill accorslingly. , .. Sir Jnfi tt Kt. Wed; tt,da,. ..Evut.okt gave notice, tha 4 o . ll . a k ill ,7' Ueat he would move for leave to bring in tht confer, 10 the Repor t of the Committee on A it of J une l ast, o n the Petition 'relative to the tt...teoc., . S t ei th e Po in Ireland. theirm 4441.4 Pluck presented a Petition from.. I t ith:"„i" el lauts of London trailing with the Re.t._°,'.l Gtl;,--ris uf . Ireland, prayin g the repeal of the Irish 14 ',rt. Duty on that trade. A COUntS Of IF 1,..,,e Motion of Mr. BARNARD, th e .....c .. e the kapenditure of the Sums granted 1.0 1 M kte,l4Qrand Canal Company, and showing the Pro 11,131„ttlat work, were °meted to he printed. c} Tits Nett IVTARY' at WAR 'presented an Account .itd"..,e, number of men.raised under the Defence AO, the } l o of the Letters between the Secretary far 4114°c:141e bePirtment arid the Lorda•Lieutenan_d Ail, httess relative to.the execution of the sa id , f 1 Sit MISCELLANE6OS SiRVICES. \JO tt,„ L. , 11 11 4 1 r,' m otion of Mr. Form, the House 41 tint ir ' --oromil i ce f s 1 th e LI 0 for the purpose of Vatnir.- Cli,lit I,sua4l Grant s fu r Miscellaneous Services . d tiq es 4 'it ants in Ireland. The Rtesol,- .Itrioiti,tti without objeilion, e:icept that UN flat/1,11175261. for to the Expence of publishing P I. lAptil." ' the Dublin Gazette arKI other New . 1;11 1'6 this sa - y, 1,, ,-gr. FITZCRItALD . objellea. It was 11414:040s to publish these Proclamations in the C: otit; t - i e ; 4‘iv),'4 rather than in the local pa pe rs of , the titled Inere the particular o ff ences were cola. ttilt4 't tiPpeated as if the publication 'were in tit,r,. 4 ' 4 holes rather than to procure infurma. o4i , , elt agiced that Sortie supervision of tilt Mr. SHERIDXN's MOTION. Mr. SHERMAN rose, in pursuance of tfie .Notice he had taken the liberty of, giving a few days since, to Move for the Repeal of the Ad of last Session, for raising an nd-lirional Force lor the defence of the RealM, for the gradual redudion of the Militia, and ,the increase Of His Majesty's Re. gular ForCes; he preferred giving' the wifole of the title of tire B i ll as i t was i nscribed, rather than an y 'of those abridgments by which it was 'more gene. rally kniewn, and even than that in which he might have been otherwise disposed tot join, as coriapli. mentary to the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite he meant the title of, Mr. Pi'er's Parish Defence. Bill —Ol laugh)."• However he may be disposed to concur in such . compliments, ,his resped for the House would not allow him to give any other title* than that which it had itatlf given io its Own Ads. Tt watrirnpossible for him nut to perceive in the. Gentleinen'On the opposite side of the House a feel ing of surprise, nut unmixed with disapprobation, nor expressed in a very otderly.manner, whin he gave notice' of his intention to Move the repeal of this Aft. Ile had used everrendeavour to account tb himself for this surprise 'and disappointment, but he was 'still totally at. a lots to explain them. Did the Hon. Gentleman conceive that the Gentlemen on his side were piqued that the Debate of that night (Mr. Witz6HAtes Motion) had not gone on Did they consider the arguments of lkis Honourable Friend, so weak in themselves, and so ably an swered, that those on his side wished for time to prepare theMSclies to renew the contest with Mora vigour on another occasion ? Did they think, that in civility to the Right Honourable Geniliman (the CHA.NCIII.LOtt of the EXCIIIIQUES) who was so backw ar d, though so particularly called uport,,- the Gentle men on this aide were bo un d in civilif,f to do violenOe to his bashfulness, and to force him to give those sentiments which 'his execs. sive modesty had then restrained bins from e.itpres_ sing (a hirigh). Having teen the Right flimour. able Gentleman witting and writhing under the masterly attack of his Hon. Friend - (Mr—WtaiD. HAM), which was so weakly replied. to, thoug.h it was rather' uncharitable not to take the hint so broadly given, that .the Gentlemen-on the otheeside did not wish for the renewal of the discussion (a laugh), it was unquestionably the duty of those on his side to foll ow up t h e impression that had been made, by moving ..the repeal of an. Aft which was totally - inefficacious; If indeed the Hon. Gentle. man felt that the subjell had been handled in such a masterly manner, that little more remained to be said on it, and if therefore they were aierse to the renewal of it by another person, he allowed they had reason. Every thing that could be said had been urged in so masterly #1 manner by his Hon. Friend, that no motive remained to induce any other Gentlemao on his side to interfere, except that when, in the present state of the Country, an At trona which so much had beets promised' had been proved So Ahoroughly inefficacious, so complete a disgrace to the Statute'-Book, it is natural that somebody of those who saw it in its true charatter should come forward to move its . ' repeal. If this were not the inotive of the•sorprise and disapprobation to which he alluded, he could not explain ir. Perhaps, in deed, the Hon. Gentlemen were surprised that he should have been the first to move for the repeal of an Ad intended for the defence of the Country. It had become very much the fashion, when the re. peal of any particular mode of defence was proposed, to say, that the agitation of such questions tended to discourage the Country, to weaken the Defence altogether, , and to h o ld o u t a ll urements to the Enemy. If any Motion of this kind could tend to discourage the Country,, to weaken the energies of the People, or to check the exertions of the men who were to provide for, and to cundud our de. fence, he would be one of the last to bring forward such a propoaition. Etot he denied that such an died on the spirit of the People..was to he appre hended from the 'expoture of a mode of rendering their spirit effedual which could have no effect at all. The Hon. Gentleman (the Comical-Lox of the Lxc H sou ea) had, on the former discussion, observed a dignified 'silence, as if nothing had been said that called upon him for defence or explatii. tits) , ; the Right Hon. Gentleman had reliedentire ly noon Ilia Right Hon. Friind (Mr. CANNING), whom he himself respeeled; but .who was not, and who could not be sueceisful on that occasion. The Right Hon. Gentleman had been charged with entertaining great expedationt, not, easily satisfied, and an onteasonable mjitd, the desires of which it Wa+ impossible to carne up to. /lot, if the Right Hon. Gentleman was contented wiilt what his lion. would say had said for him on th at occas i on , h e say he was easily contented indeed, and all ,the charges 'against him to the contrary were foul caltioanies. The ansaier which had been given to his HOOO. F tie od , (M had, hero ;wailed; much out of doors, and, he understood, the answer had been printed and circulated ; but it certainly was not considered as an' answer by any person who had heard it 'within doors, and, he:was sure, least of all by his Hon. Friend, whOm he had never seen labouring to such 'disadvantage, strug. gling against wind and /ride, now and then spread. ing• a . little sail, when be was cheered from be. hind, and putting out 'his , Sweeps when he could not get off..by any other means (a load laugh %. To the difficulties of his situatioo.alotte he coutd Attribute the 'boisterous warmth, so frireign to .114 general manner, which his Hon. Friend bliewed un that occasion. It was not his Hon. Frieod that was' to ,blame for his failtire ; no mare , 14bOtIril under the-same disadvantages, could make so. good a figure. Yet his speech was like a caionaran, great noire 'and little mischief (a /mush); .he meant, little mischief tet those whom it was; meant to annoy .; for,, what damage it may have dune to those whom it was intended to support he 'could nut say, though ahere was every appearance . that it had done a great deal.. Having said thus much to set 'himself right with the House, he thought it would nest appear very presumptuous in him to . . have brought forward t h e M ot i on Whi c h he now meant to propos e , to follow the impression made by his troo. Friend (M r . WistboAar), with a pro. position for the repeal of the At he had shewn to be so inefficacious. It was, perhaps, expeded he would confine hithself to a mere military view -Of our Armed 'Force, anti reasonings upon that review. He had no doubt thar•such a course would be pleasing to the Right Hon. Gent, and that be would willingly cheer him, not only for adopting the plan, hut for his opinions on I/alit - ma parts Of the System•—s-4 laugh:) But after the pit view which his Hon. Friend h a d ta ken, at was not necessary for him to go through the System. Any expedation, therefore, that had been 'formed of contradidiatts between him and his Hon. Friend on this head,. would be totally disappointed. He certainly did differ from his Hon. Friend on some points, but exept where the occasional warmth of.debate gave additional strength to opinion, these differences were not of any moment. It was certain that he thought the Volunteer System admirable, excellent, and deserving the warmest approbation of every-true patriot.. The universal spirit which the Country had shewn in this way had operated more than any thing else to strike a' panic into the - Enein);. What. ever May be conceived of the military tesolution of Bonaparte, and of his confidence in his experienced Military Forces, he had it from unquestionable au. thw'ity, that nothing had operated more strongly on him, aced on his Minister, Talley rand, than this proof, ahatin a Country so lUXUrilOtts, SO bent on . cout. merce, and on doing every thing,by its money, as they cancel •ed this was; instead of a Couto ry where the only effort would be to purchase an Army to a certain amount, which would impoite spoil them no . other necessity than to mret it with An Army greater amount, they satv a Country , where people themselites turned out, and 6hClNed, tl against a Nation- so spirited and so, &termitic an Enemy could not possibly do any thing. . I could not easily give an opinion, in favour oll't Redunion Of the Militia.' It was a Constitution Force which he had been accustomed to admire.. He was not an enemy to a Force Varied in i Composition. The Militia was a part of our Fen to which the Country was reconciled arid aceustomet For his part lie was nut fond of trusting to' standin Atmies,'whatever respett he tnay have for the perm - who may compose that Army ; however respedabl the Ministers who may have the management it in their hands, he could not . depend ',upon i for the security 'of the Constitution. He cam next to the charge that the spirit of the County was damped by proposing the repeal of this Ad which had totally failed ;' and he was astonishe to hear it asserted it had. not failed. -L order ti ascertain whether it had failed or nor,he would ask what had been promised for it, when the Righ tion,.Gendetilhil who proposed the measure cattle tor, ward and saiii, f .wall or.doces urtm gay piedeees, sots have not produced, what they have been huiPec from their places because 'they haVe not produced i when, after this promise, though' the Country ,vas most willing to second any call that Ware, Made on it, and though it was in a half. martial state, from the military . proceedings that had before taken place t the failure Will most palpable and most ors. pardonable. When the Right Hon, Gstoleeri an came forward, Saying, car away all tbat has been done before me, it is all rubbish, 'it is all trash, let the came and you shall tee what I'll'do ; 'rid when the Right Hun. Gentlerrnm ended with doing no thing half so good, what .were thOse who looked On, and who,wished well to the Country, to do from a sense of their duty ? Were they not bound to re. move the impression which had been mi i ie of heat. fits to the Courittrner realized ? w a re th e y nut bound 'to chew whether the Country wise nut itn. posed upon; whether the benefits promised were or wereoust realized, and whether. the Ministers, who had so promised and so failed, were or. were -not worthy' of the confidence of the Country ? If it was urged on this ppint,that the Country was not to be discouraged, that the failure of the measure was not to be made known to the People, that its failure miry he admitted in private, hat that it was to be kept snug (a laygbj ; that such-.a course was ne cessary was absurd to tell that when Ministers despaired of one objet 'from the- Bill they , found another; that when it failed to 'raise men, it was found capable of raising money ; that when it was unsuccessful in what Ministers had promised, it was found' 'Act:pare to do what they had „not . engaged for or given reason to hope. S palpahle a failure could not leave tbominr::,ny confidence in the,Mi. Miters. fie that sa aloe :amount had been presented to induce the Country to believe there was a great Army, hue to be laughed at when the account was investigated; for it was a great Army only on paper, composed only ofSkeletot Re. giments, and subjed to a variety of other derive. dons, so that a vast deficiency indeed But even in that case there was a deluaion for which there was no room. There mak be same reason to suppose the- Regiments were not corn. plete; bot here the Parish Officers were behind - the scenes, and ,kbew every 'thing that was going forward; they were under, the arron of the puppet.show, employed. to manage the steingi, and s'et the machinery in motion, and they could not be deceived as to the area.. To tell them, therefore, that unto were raised where they knew. they had raised novae, would , be ridiculous and unjustifiable'. The hr,t point, therefore, that he would entice,. yur"to impress upon toe ('louse was, that the' nice- Sure had tailed ; the second' au' s , wh e ther havi ng failed in the first instance, it was likely to atone for that failiire by future suc e ess'; and,• thirdly, whether it' Was mischievous in, its cife4l, and unfit to be continued, Considering it accord. int to the promise that Itad been made, -there was no question but it. had failed completely.. For the promise that had been made was •not.that it would produce a Force in time, but , that it would he produdive immediately. The, Right Hon e Gentleman, watching his predecessor's with a jealutie rye, and counting days and hours till an Army should' he yroduced 'i equate to the exigencies 0,i 7 the Country ( a crt of hear 1 bear!), had brcught forward this measure', which was to raise an Army at once, not merely sufficient to place- us in a State a defence, beyond all poesibility . of ithpression, but even to render to Capable of retorting his menace oo the proud 'insulting Foe, and to place him in his turn in a situetion of danger and apprehension (a cry of hear 1 hear knew it was contended out ofaloors that his KM 'urable Friend h a d treat . ed the subje4l as tnatter of ridicule ; because , he had 'laughed at it, in was nor a -matter:of se. none dissatisladion. The maxim of ridiculmos arri menu: could never have been better 'applied than on this occasion, when a proud prtimiae had been made,which could nut possibly be realized, and * when the same measure was still persisted ' It was no excuse that the measure would prodPeo. money.: it might tie as -well pleaded i n defence of a measure of finance, which ,hod failed of object, that it had produced z or 3000 excellent horses foe cavalry, Or 2 or 3000 excellent oxen for carrying, baggage. ThiS pu, , ductiou would be is good thing ; but it would not be the thing promised. He kit himself under no necessity for entering into detail after the particulars his, Hon. Friend (Mr. Win). HAM) had entered intointer on a former uight.. 'rite general account ,skewed a failure, which' was said not tp be of as groat constquence as under the twitter' Administration. His kienoutable etiend