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tver, say, that .as far as he was concerned any' .proceeding going forward, he, and those with whorl' lie. had the honour to . be, concerned, it must, as far as related to- their conduct and cha, ractkr; lie gratifying to them, when the hour should arrive, When the important subject alluded to could be fully disen , *ed. But he certainly agreed with The Noble - Martinis; that itwas not.becorning -in tl House to express any wish or desirefor a pry -IM'turc discussion. With' respect to the .anithp-:. ;Nhicli had. been-alluded to, he must say for himself', and those with NI-horn he was. connected, .That if any such did:exist, they disclaimed any par ,tif..ipati4ll in them -they crqtriained no feelings Whatever resembling personal anithosity.' . 13ut even were they capable of at any time harbouring "sUch; wOUlti ; tbey not Consider-the present mo- Merit as one Which, when the paramount m considera- . Ai of:the NEmpireery existence of this was at . -.stake,'sliontd overwhelm. all minor or personal con ; siderations whatever _ _ _ _ The Earl of Lli - ERPpOL said, he felt it .incutn *bent on.him to offer a fewWordS in consequence ofwhat had fallen from the Noble Martinis - . The. -House would do whateVer • it- May deem proper' with respect to-the important business alluded to ; but; in hissmind ; the present was far from being a period-in which it coUld properly, or even'de ceutly; be made the Subject of discuSSion. 'lie certainly would not have spoken, did he not think his silence might be misidterpreted, were he 'to. stiffer an allegation of the existence of personal' ,aniMosities topasa ; withoat some"degree-olnotice.. Ain that point he begged leave to...observe, that `the preseat Via..q not the proper time for an expla nation of any'part of the conduet_of himself, or of of I hose, with wlipm he had , the honour to -aet ; and he trusted the House would excuse his adhe rence to that principle as laid - down by the -Noble Marquis himself. But he felt it due. to himself and to those friends ; andneeessary for their justi fication to the ,Tlouse, andto the public, to aver, that in every part of the . transactions in which they had any share',"they were not actuated by the • smallest particle' of personal "animosity. They .., were guided by what -they conceived to be .public c , :in;iderations alone, and by what they- thought, wider • every 'View; of the subject, to be. the interest the pnblic; and consonant with' their -sense of p..blic d'uty. He must disclaim the - application - of ;. any such feelings, and he trusted that the '•:lfouse do - him justice with_ respect to n t't.te groands upoil-WhiCh he rnade'this_solenni dis • Tha Earl of Atora.% said, he could cOnceive.un , . der the prv.,ent,circumstallUB nothing more mis vliievous to the public interests than a premature. diScussion of the, subject to which the. Noble Earl alluded. He could onlysay, that he bad been an humble instrument in endeavouring to - remove ost.itcles - to cansiderations f , Which :he conceived essentially neeessany - forthe public :service. So' far ' •ashe.had been able to ascertain, ,heeould assure tlleir Lordships there was never a'negociation un dertaken upon more frank or honourable principles '. Of a:MOM complete sacrifice of personal interests or feeliagS ; than in that which .had.,been carried On. It: waslamentable,hOwever„ for the country that. any species of misapprehension should come in' the way, but be felt satisfied theSe *ere nothing but misapprehensions; and which possibly against their next ugeting mar 'be. in a great-degree re moved. • Did not-the present state of the country impose npon them all the sa`cred obligation to re gard public' principle in preference to all minor considerations ? He called upon them all so to act in the name of that House, and the people of Great Britain. He felt that conduct Of those eon- Cernettin the transactions was regulated by What, in their contemplations, -were fundamental prin c ples.of the Constitution. He gave them full credit on the score of purity and correctness 'of , motive ; and -he trusted they would at presentab - stain from arldiScussions,..as such conduct might greatly•tend to the getting over those ditlicUlties • vvhich were sp much to be regretted. Earl eil4.v• expressed his willingness mon with those Noble Lords who felt it proper to . 'abstain from those .discussionsbut trusted, hawever, that but a short interval would be ne cessary, and lie felt with his Noble Friend (Lord - G.) an anxiety for the arrival of that period, in Which they could explain and %indicate thoseprin eiples and considerations. upon Which they had acted. What fell from his Noble Friend ' , Who . spoke last, rendered it impossible for .him to re main altogether silent. He knew that -the anxiety of the -Noble Earl for the service. a his Prince, his zeal for the public interests—the great excel lence of his nature; and the generosity of his heart • -7-these it- was which led him to engage in those transactions ; and if he had in the slightestdegree possed,the line he had laid down, he. could attri bute it to nothing but the effect of these great and amiable qualities: On the' other hand', he must:even now aver that their conduct 'was actu ated by 110 personal feelings or:objects whatever ; that it • was regulated by nothing but a sense of imperious 'duty, as particularly connected with the, public interests, only by a great desire to render what services they may be called upon to perform, honourable to- themselves, and useful to . the public. Upon' these lead ing considerations they had acted, and: they Were prepared to abandon,. for the public ser vice, all p e rsonal considerations -,-hatever. Upon .these principles, as referable to the Constitution, and to. tile vital interests of the country, their con - duct had been regulated; and such, he believed, thOSe principles required them to do. From what fell 'from alloble Earl on the cross -bench, it would appear, that great and dreadful personal aniinosi- ties had prevailed. If they could suffer, in such a crisis, -any thing -line personal 'animosity to pre-. Tail, ,they must act contrarily to all those princi ple they had uniformly a-serted, and by which their whole conduct prayed 'theni to be actuated. In justice to himself and to his Noble 'Friend, he, must pointedly disclaim every-shadow of imputa tion of the kind. At. present he'would leave the •subiect,andOnly'express again his anxiety for the arriValof that discussion, in which, through every Fut of tl, eir conduct in these \ transactions, they sluoulilevince, the whole was dictated by what they felt was necessary for the public service and the safety of the cvuntry. - ;The questidn for the adjourment till Friday • was then put, and carried without further dis- must n CUMItiON - S--"WEISNESISAYOYJNt S. Mr. S. WottTLyt moved for, and aftet a fe , ;v observations from Mr. ROSE and Mr. D. GIDDY, obtained leave to bring in a BU to enable Justices Hof Peace to order parochial relief to prisoirs con fined ender mesne process for debt, iti such jails as were not county jails. . 6fiCominonS, I e thought it I ,l'*rdttty.ts put as ques - ; to the Right Honourable and Learned Gen tleman opposite (AIL Ponsonby). • If that „Honourable-4nd Learned Gentleman should think the, ,questioThimproper, he of course ray The questio4 wa,s 7 Mr. CAL . CRAFf' spoke Co Ziiter: On a farmer occasion, the question having beeil actually put, he thought it right that an. answer ought to be al lo to be given. But now, the question not een actually proposed,' he availed hint .self of are.opPortunity to suggest the impropriety . of 'sanctioning such .a-system, of interrogation. • Mr. MAnTIN defended himself on the. ground Of the example of MondaY.:evening. If, how ever, it Nl'as eons' enietitto the-.Right.ll6n. Geu- Aleman to answer the questi ! pn c le „would. • Mr. CALC,R . AFT again spoke to order. The con- Nenienet or the inconyenience of-the reply was not the i mubjeet, but ;the Ifroliciety or impropriety,. • eonsi,•tently - with,theforms of,the House, of per mitting questions of that, uature to be, pi-49,nd afipleasure to Members 'of that House. Mr. MARTIN declared that lie 'would not put any question, but. he would. simply say=--" what 'cause is the failure of the 3•.!e , rocio.tion ' - • • .• triblitable c'' - Mr. BARTIAM here interrupted the.l-loti.'Gentle man, and cx' pressed his dcterininittion n take4he.- sense of the House, 4hether or _not - they , would, a - 11(ml this question to be put. , Mr._ i 1 14 iTIN intimated that he would not severe in putting the question Hip •only -.object' had been to put the country. in possession ,of, the causes Which. had orep.iioued the .faiinre of the negociation- which had been Set on' foot undertbe -auspices of Lords. Wellesley and Moira. Feel g, however., that the .general sense : of the House Was against" his question, he Te'idity acquiesced in that - determination, - and withdrew it. In con sequence bf what-bod.:fallen, front q Right Ilon.. Gentleman .(11Ir, _Ca.nni.ng) he would not ''.'a!y,ita'te the subject at all, and he therefore totally aban doned the notice when he had.given. The remaining Orders of 'the' Day were then postponed, with the eNception of that for aCom mittee on the Orders in Council, into which Committee 'the House- immediately resolved it n'f, and proceeded' with . the examination of wit nesses.—Adjonrned. MAILS: AnttiVED-1 Dublin, I 'Waterford. DUE-1 Cadiz, I Water- ford. THE SUN. SOLEM QUI 5 DICERS EILSOnt ALIDEAT ? ORDERS IN COUNCIL. Gen. GASCOIGNE ,seeing an Hon. and Learhed Gentleman in his place, wished to ask him,' whe ther; in the - present state of the Government, he intended "to persevere in his motion for a general discussion of.the merits of the Orders in Council oh Tuesday.next ? Mr. 131touchAm replied, that he had no inten tion of postponing it, and that he felt no difficulty on 'the subject, from . the existing state of the Government, as, it appeared to him;. that if he put off the consideratiOn of this important question, until all the existing inconi•eniences were re moved, the postponement might be fatal to the commerce of the country. If he consented to any delay, it could be only from Tuesday to Thursday, in order to give an opportunity for the printing of the Evillence. Mr. ROSE, adverting to the voluminous nature' of the evidence, amounting to' 7 or 800' , folio - pages, and the then attendance of the Members on the Committee, seldom exceeding six or seven,- put it to the - Hon. and Learned Gentleman, and the House, whether it would be possible'to go so soon into the investigation of a subject of such vital importance to the_tmpife Mr. BROUGHAM observed, that 5 or 600 pages of the 'evidence had already been printed ; and that f 1.% the rest of the witnesses were ,to exa mined' to-night, the remaining part of the evi dence- would speedily be in the possession of the Members. • - Mr. ItosE repeated his conviction, that if the House went into the consideration of the subject on Tuesday, or even, on Thursday, they would do so without having had a previous opportunity of reading the minutes of evidence. COMMITTEE OF ways AND : 10ANS. The House having resolved itself into:.a Com mittee of Ways and illeanS, Mr. W. POLE. rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill to continue the Irish Cu Ims.. • 'lie said; he felt the objection which had been 'urged the other evening,' against bringing forward any new measure A.,4fti.e - the GoVernment remained kn its present . state. With regard hoWeVer to the pre sent Measure, he did not think there .could be any objeetiOn,•as it xya' part of the current busi ,ness;af the year; and the present existing duties ' of Customs in Ireland which were annually voted, would expire on t:'e .Ist July. . Sir J: - NEwrowr wiShed to Call theattention of - the Houseto .the Onger that might follow from establishing, it as a prmciple„that supplies should be proposed during the abeyance of the responsi ble Government, and was desirous that so dan gerous a precedent should be avoided. - . , Mr. W. POLE said, that in the situation in which he was placed, he should have been guilty of a great neglect of duty if he had not brought this subject before the House. The duties of cus toms in Ireland, amounting to above two millions and a half, formed a part. of the consolidated fmld, appropriated for the 'payment of the interest of, the national debt ; if, therefore, he , bad not brought forward this motion he should have left the public creditor without any security, and throw: the whole financial affairs of the country into con fusion. In his :opinion it would be. much better if these duties, were put upon the same footing' that they were in England; instead of being voted annually, and in this opinion he , believed be con eurredwith the Right Hon. Baronet, but as the Case Stood, he felt it to be his duty to 'submit the Resolution he proposed to the House... Sir JQHi ,Nr.wroßT said that he ,entirely con curred with the. Right Hon. Gentleman in the ne cessity of the motion, and merely wished to guard the House against the, practice of introducing a' .financial Measure as a mere routine business, , • Colonel BASTitRD thought that it was the duty of the House to - know hew the country stood, with respect to an Administration, hefiire any financial measure was agreed to 5. because the next Govern-, meat might perhaps devise means' for alleviating the burdens of the people. He was of opin:ion, that the'House ought to resolve itself into - a Com mittee on the state of the Nation, which was cer tainly most perilous, with a view ,both to' our do mestic and to our foreign situation. -The Resolution was then agreed'to, and the re portwas skrdeed to be received on Friday. Mr. W. POLE brought up : the Bill for raising 1,590,0001. by way of annuity for the, service of Ireland. -Read a first, and ordered to -be read a 'eeoncl time on Wednesday: - ,the motion of Sir T. TURTON, the COM mittee on the Publicans and the Manure Carriage Bill, were 'postponed until to-morrow se'nnight, ADMINISMANION. Mr. CANNING roe, and spoke to tLe following effect • • . (..‘ 'lt'll.. Speaker—Having been the channel of comm,nicating• to the- House, on Monday last, the circumstance that a Noble Friend of mine, the Marquis *elksley, had on that day,, received an=. thority from his Royal }Ugliness the Prince Re gent to proceed to the formation of a'New,Admi nistration,.l think it incumbent on ine to state (being in possession of the fact)., that my Noble Friend, this morning, resigned the authority which be had received, into the hands of his Royal High-' ness. I wish to accompany this ,statement with no observations, except to deprecate with the ut most earnestness, all discussion, which ,can be pro ductive of no ,good, but . which may lead . to much mischief,.. by kindling animosities which are not wanting to increase the difficulties in which the country is placed at the present moment. But, Sir, being in possession of the *fact, and having been the channel of the former communication, I should have thought Myself guilty of something like delusion, -had I not stated that which I have just done." Mr. MARTIN,. after what had fallen from the Right' Hon. Genticulan,,assurcd the House, that nothing should proceed from him calculated to embarrass any arraugements' which might laere 7 after be wade. But, as a Member a the House L ON D THURSDAY, JUNE 4, 1812. Government this morning received Dispatches from Lord WELLINGTON, dated Fuente Guinaldo, the 20th" ult. which state, that , nu movement of importance had taken place, either of the Allied or the French Army. It is some satisfaction to us, that though .we have not yet the pleasure of informing our Readers that an Administration has been 'formed, yet, that in all the statements which We have submitted to them during the various negociations which have taken place, we have never deceived them, and like some of our Competitors, poured forth every idleru mour that occurred. If we may presume to say so,we heartily sympathize in the feelings of the PRINCE REGENT, Who has done all-that can be required of. him, in order to conciliate adverse Parties, and to settle matters into a vigorous Government, and - who has had the mortification of finding* his graci ous intentions - thwarted by Motives of pique or ambition :—Vire -were- iinxious to see all ani- . moSities buried, 'all captious objections' sub dued, and every feeling of. a - personal nature lost in a general zeal to promote ,the interests of the Country. Our Readers will see by the pro ceedings-in the two Rouses yesterday, an abstract of which we gave in part of our impressions last night, that - the opposition to the PRINCE RE GENT'S wishes is chiefly, if not entirely, imputable to what is called the Opposition Party. It seems, • evident that, they wanted to come into, of fice with an acendancy of power which it was impossible: . to suppose 'that the Marquis WE,LLIISI.EY, to whom th e PAIN en bud entrust ed the measure of forming a new Administra tion, would assent to. • But, to confine our at tention to the state of affiaiis . inun'ediatisly before us: -It, apPears that the Marquis WELLESLEX,' Having in vain attempted to overcome the scru ples; or satisfy the 'dernand, of the, Opposition leaders, has at length resigned his Commiision; and that'the PRINCE has' now submitted the whole power of forming an Administration to EarlAt° IRA. The public spirit and rectitude of this.: Nobleman, as well as his political experience, to say nothing of his long attaciatnent to the PRINCE, amply jus tify the confidence that, is placed in him. The af fability of his manners too, which, even in trans actions of this hi ,h nature, is of no small lin portance, will greatly conduce- to bring matters into an amicable train. As the Marquis WELLES LEY, though he resigned a commission Which he found it impossible to carry into.etfect, has by no means manifested ally repugnance_ to office, but on the contrary, has shewn a willingness to co-operate with Lord MOIRA, even with Sll bordinate authority, we still indulge a hope, often .its tve httVe been disappointed on - 014 most interesthig subject, that the Ea will be , to avail himself of the talents of the Mttrquis 'n Mr2CAtiNrso,,and that Lord LIVERPO©L and his friends will not be fould to iniirate the conduct' of the Oppositionlcaders,. hut will let every poiu of personal feeling, and temporary policy give, 'way to a sense of what-is due to the PRINCE RE GEN thcwishes And expectations of the people at large, aneito the interests of the Empire. We ar thv more disposed. to rely u,' L ion• the efforts o; 14r1lioirtA on this truly interesting and 'import- 4 ant business, 'as his Lordship signified yesterday his belief, that misapprehensions rather than essential principles had hitherto prevailed, and that he trust- - . ed, that everything vvould forthwith b e i n a P ro per . train.fcr ettablishing_a firm and cordial-Adtpi,iistrr tibn. We have reason to believe that the Duke of NORFOLK, Lord MorRA., Lord:ERSKINE, and. T!fr' SIIERIDAN, totally 4)f.the conduct of the' majority of the Opposition upon this occasion'-. and chat they liave communicate I- their opiniO 4 . • - upon . the subject to tilt: YRINCE ItEGENT. The eyes of all Liirope must" lie directed tow'lttls its at thi§ awful fuknaciit... wile!) Vile eauny of a 4 Europe 19 on the 'ese of attempting to, - -rivet afist.our alt:es i iii particular will look vral • the most allAloll3 concern towai t is as, irit - hc 1148 our ytfiiillCilt ikome will .Ile'So tinittAi to COlO.llO, kt11:1 so v,igorous,_ as to give tilt; tirost energetic eisiect to rin;,....sure, calcuNted Tor C.:.zir denverance, and the.con equent inde . pendeac, their revci - ctive countries. . Yesterday Earl Mu fRA• and the Marquis WEI. - LESLEY, had. long .auineuces .of the I'ItINC.L GENT, at Carlton. House. • • Yesterday mor7inrr Princess CHARLOTTE . (Th NKALES left town for iv; to p•-e,4; it the prig ate- celebration of the this day. On Tuesday. the QUEEN, Princesses . AUGUSTA' MARY, and S.O p.nr!lg„.attettdetlby Lord St. 1-lEi;Ess , and several Ladies, went to the' Princess ELfz-i." BETH', beautiful cottage at Old Windsor, about tso miles fronithe Castle, on the hanks of the Titanic' Her Royal Highness was in rcadiaess to receit e them, and had' a - sumptuous dinner - prepared them after . ..which', they Atalked on' the- fawn, al took coffee in a tenet.. there. The party. consii tg of; ,beSiclek the AbYAt„,YAmtv.,:, Lords SOME i , vtus and ST. HELEN'S, Ladies C. ONSLOW . 3 ° TH VINE, Aiss, PAIJI.E.T; -CentralgLi,l • Colonel TAYLOR. Yesterday morning Princesses AuGusT-t SOPHIA took an airing oh horseback in the -0 1 V , bourhood of Windsor, accompanied by Lords MERVILLE and, t ST. HELENS, Gen: GWY NNE,- ° P , COL TAYLOR.- The. QUEEN,' Princesses _ELI°. BETH and MARY, _went to Frogmore Gardens , a On -Tuesday night .Mrs, ioßum entertaioe',.,„ party of faohionables, at her ho use i n St. JaniP s square. CHESTER B,IOTERS,-.—Of those who have capitally 'convicted, as already stated, only have• beenAeft- for execution, viz. Ricli .Lowrides, for extorting money ; Joseph tioll i t ; son, for stealing plate ; William Greenhou4h, stealing flour; John Temples, for stealing s pool?' and John HeyvroQd, for destroying machirterY• It was, strongly reported Bowler yesterday'after-o°-,0 that the assassin Bowler was taken in disguise,rl9 the ;neighbourhood of Aylesb u ry, an d t wo were immediately dispatched from Marlboro a street Police Office to that quarter ; and we l h ( " 1 „,.t to confirm the report hereafter. It a ppears Bowler carried off with him a great sum of 1 01 ;6 Mr, Burrows progressively improves, and it is co opiniOu of Pr.. Heaviside, and other emit - reli t IP t io ,of the facility, that the sing which is l o d g ed 14 to hack cannot do any' harm, and it is mot meal t attempt to extract it. A young lad, only 19 years of age, on l'uesday afternoon, by means or ! cif ' tOl, in . a field not far from the N ew R oa d, i;'7,4§ le-bone, adjoining the Regent's Park. .fi e . or e conveyed to.a..pnblic-house in Mary-street, A lap' he almost immediately expired. He was ajl a of prentice to a Surgeon in the neighhourbo ° Bedford-square ,ThemotiVe for committing dreadful act is not known. - , At 'tbe An Inc i nisition' was taken on ThesdaY „'" Bro , .vn :Beir, Knightsbridge, bef o r e A. Ge c i fi e :zi . Coroner We 'for stminster, on . the . hody - oi rit io4 .Tones;,.Tones;, , drc4ned in the ;Se :P e - ots River. _Tlie •. deeoa'sed was of re:peetable I' 3 '3l l inGeorges.Parish, aad:he - hall 'been ° n bc o , night with a party. In order to refresh t i ou r, selves.they repaired to the rivei' at an. early .1 1 1 34 and the deceasett.y. who-.was a good swinol . ' o a gyifre ,tcvice across.,'' and in . atteniptin4 u ° s oo t 'third time, he :suddenly disappeared, -and' leLp after. l'he . .bodS , remained an hour 11 Nyater.—i-ftre*rai - O. Aeeident"al DeCteh. •;o Est A robbery OCCUrre s d 'early yesterday 1 11 °r u— j f et 'tf the Two -'Spi;ss.,.. wine.v.aults; Strand, attended'‘vith great audacity, q tl y shevo..that . th, syst!'!nl of housebreaking ba s an cal render the In' ut . r ti of individual for pr3teGting•their almost, unavailing. It ,r.ppears_ that . the 310,c , ( 1 lads kril INl‘Gowrini, - on retiring to r est,. ;1 the 00 r1 neat the Iviudow of.thestairLcse on t he firs large, folding elotlies-h o rse full ofwet whole of whielf was aisco.,predsco "have bceu 1114 riedoiT before fire 0:clock: There is no do 0. v. " „cvlllo linabiliv "di - effected their entrance by e 11 : the street to theivindow , as the marks of 1 feet were di:-, , thictiV . to be. seen, and sev - 9 . Which:- Cover a small projection over'the door, were.. broken. .is .a that the house_ is situated at the e xtreniitY n d St', two parishes of St. Paul's, Covent-gard en ' , t ° „ffn v ''th -aa bel° t' , Ail a m s ia each, one -Of winnii is stationCd 110 t I.( L io ' s from the street-door,-over whi_h 't ere 4, and obtaihed, their' booty. coat the 1i