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Noll, n ANI - 11 - ,ItICAN INDIANS. FOR THE SUN. •-- - - Mr. EDlTOR—Deeply impressed as I am with the knowledge of the, interest you so laudably 'lave felt and do feel in the success of the amia -ble and truly philanthropic exertions of the worthy "Nlr. OWEN of New Lanark, to.benefit the human -species, I conceive that I HOW appropriately ad crress you in regard to a questionin which an in. -dividnal, a stranger, for whom that Gentleman has the greatest respect a ndfriendship, has natu rally, from peculiar circ_tunstantei; the most. lively interest, —I mean Mr. John Dmmtin Hunter, whose Memoirs of his captivity among the tribes of North American Indians, and whose fate will he the subject of my theme, interesting ns these are, have been universally honoured with the attention they deserve front people of ell ranks in this country, as their author himself has met with that friend ship and regard that one placed in circumstances sta peculiar as he was, from infancy to the age of 10, having known neither parent nor relative in this mortal pilgrimage, can never in. Britain, the - .oetid of patriotism, generosity, aud brotherly love, fail to secure. Mr. HUNTER'S Memoirs, iu deed, unfold much interesting and affecting in formation in regard both to himselland his own extraordinary life, and to the persecuted, though noble, anti, t will affirm, virtuous Indian tribes in North America. From hiMself, however, in .tint course of communications.' have had the plea:. Mire to have personally with him, I have learned mach additional information, and thatcommuni. catedln a Manner so honourable to himself, so Aeociting- to tholieart, so convincing to the under -atandin4,, .as ,has ,proved to me that.the noble in .tentioti which seetriS:citiefly the only acknow ledged purpose',, for the completing of which, his future•life, he says, will be strenOusly devoted 011 his return to the beautiful clime—that in iu- Stacy fostered him—(the Mississippi,') may be gra duaily , carried into effect, and thus u noble race ofimunian creatures, allied to the universal family, people who feel as we do, whO, reverence as we a Supreme :Author. of all our manifold bene ' tits (only under the different name of the ".G remit pire), may ba rescued from complete externli. nation, and the infliction of unwarranted death, my find repose from ,that hitherto unceasing and ututatural persecution to which they have long beau subject through the injustice and rapacious • cOnduct of their antagonists the Whites. hit n0t, ,. .5ir,1 ask you, one of the most glorious and proud reeollections in the bosoms of the King, cif the Members of the Government of the Senate, 'and of people of Great. Britain, that theuniyersal, nay; Godlike voice of humanity was, in the first inatance, in their persons raised against that ac. cursed traffic in human ,beings, feelings, and • sufferings— the Slave. Trade ? .Yes ! „Heaven ...blessed with success the exertions of its opp - :vies .; millions were released from the gallin g .ifetters of cruel, inhuman, tyrannical owner ; they breathe comparatively the air of lreedorn ; they now alone know • the necessary aoil of consistent industry ; they, on their humble couch, have now, at least, some moments' of repoSe itt the calm midnight hour; and oh 1 lam proud the reflection, that Britain pleaded for and laid for them their easy pillow She, was that loosened their ignoble,gailing chains,; rut it wit; that rescued them, and restored them leng lost, sweet liberty, and secured to the jacur crouching slave a respected place in the llallowed temple of time Christian's rights ! On this subject (not one of a political character ex , c insively), who is there that cannot with me feel 41rm ? Who is there, actuated by time honour. : i-hie feelings of a Wilberforce, he who first in .aMked the,attention, and called for the help of Christians, in favour of tortured humanity, that cannot, heave a deep sigh, with my friend Mr. 'flamer, as he reflects on the unhappy condition of those who sheltered and nurtured him in his Captivity and in infancy, far removed from this blessed land of freedom, as he peruses each daily . 53d column, which unfolds some new conflict be tween the Indians of North America, and the villite people, in which numbers of his .former :ssociates, fighting nobly, for what? -only for the wit of the portion of territory which ,Provi dence bequeathed to the and their offspring, end for quiet repose end the use of roots and soringsl—(and surely this is natural and lawful) ~uttk to the earth which theytried to defend from the grasp of intruding adventurers, and, in the agony of death, calling loudly on those most dear to them, and whom they' meat leave to suffer at a future day, perhaps, the sante hard fate of those .t/110 gave theta life On the members of the American Goveroment, therefore, a Briton pre t. tunnes to call, because he is assured that the strong arm of the Legialature of the country can clone promote the sacred cause he advocates, the caese of time poor yet noble rare of Indittes in North America. As true Chriatians,they, who profess to love liberty as we ourselves do, must give ear to my earnest appeal., to my suggeStiona rim 1 propositions, these being only consistent with Uhriatian duty and -liberty,' which- they adore ; arid I ant convinced that ultimately the North ..Arne4catt billion will be brought to find enjoy• t•Lant. from the flee occupation of -particular por , Opus of territory entailed to them and their children under well defined principles of justice and eqUitable views of acknowledged ownership. :They will ht fast uttain'a degree of civilization--- -, that is to,say,education and experience,. enabling them to be aware of the existence, time 0100 ins, tianuer3, and rights of countries, and their mnodes . of excellent management, their rules for the oc cupation of Territory amid Governments, Laws tcd Institutions; and by concluding, in the first place, a general psaceful amnesty bet ixt them, bring about a much wished for understandiog by - which the shedding of the Indiamtlif Wood will botnarforth cease—and the lives of them, our fel , Viwacretti Urea, be preserved---order obtained, huh - ordination in• their allotted villages preserved ; and ultimately no - trace of former animosities would subsist ; for then the Indian tribes would ottiy be distinguished front the civilizud inhaW. tants of the United States and the White people, by the colour of their akin, and the pectiliarity of their persons and habits, T i he preliminary step must in justice originate wit those who cer- thinly 'first intruded on their possessions ; and' that must be effected, first, by a cessation of hostile feeling ; secondly, by encouraging 66 In dians to observe and appreciate the good inten tions of the A4ierican Government and people thus manifested towards them ; and gradually bringing them to that improved state of know ledge, experience, and comparative refinement, - an example of the power of which (in 7 years) is convincingly furnished in the person of him, who I trust will be able to prove himself by his con._ templated noble exertions, as [know he wishes earnestly to do, the best friend of the suffering . Indian tribes in the North American distant Set tletnents-1 mean Mr. John Dunn Hunter, who has my sincere wishes and your own, I am sure, for his success is so laudable, nay, God-like a pursoit.—l ate, Sir, your most obedient Servant, (117.01 WE A. MAZZONI. Nirarwick.strect, Pall.3lall, Nov. 12, 1823. PARIS PAPERS. ( From the Courier Frannie.) Pettta, Note. 10.—The . English papers assert, that the inde pendence of the Spanish colonies in America is acknowledged in fact by England, that this Power did not choose to wait for the decisions of the Holy Alliance : and filially, they express an opinion, that very.soon a Plenipotentiary of an elevated rank will be sent to those new American States. What will be come, after this, of the assertions of the Journal des Debate ? How is it that the Journal whieh ought to be the best informed, is that one which gives the most incorrect notions of EuroPean policy? If the Journal des Debats spoke only its own senti ments, its errors would. be of no consequence; but it is the avowed organ of the influential part of the Ministry, and there fore its clisnrableness of opinion, and the small share of correctness which appears in its communications, become ajusi subject of reproach against the Ministerial system. VIENNA, OCT. 31.—1 t must be remarked, says the Aus trian Observer, that the Turkish High Admiral has traversed the Archipelage in his voyage, has stopped before several islands, which are in open inrurrection against the Porte, such as Milo, Andros, and Tino; anti that he did not commit the smallest act of hostility towards them. The Primates of the two 'former sent presents of fruit •and cattle on board the Captain Poch's'" ship, but he took only the fruit, and immediately paid for it. At !Vino the' Greek Priests wished also to send the same sort of things on board, but the people would not per mit it, and fired fowling-pieces fur several hours at the Turkish ships. ' The Captain ' Paella appeared to pay no attention to this, and never deigned to reply to it. For some time past the Supreme Government of the insurgent Greeks, or the sot disant Executive Council, is fixed at Salambe. •It is composed Of Pietro Bey .Mavromichale, President; Theodore Colcotroni, Vice-PreSident, and Andre Zaimi, Sotirl Karalambi, and Andre, Count of Metaxa. Colcotroni had not yet arrived there. .111:tvrocordito has quarrelled, it is said, with the other Members of the Council, and has returned to the Wand of Hydra. In the meantime his office as Secretary-Ge neral is filled by a person named Sepihadi. ' Negri is no longer employed, and is at Athens, and Demetrius Ypsilanti, with out possessing any office, lives as a private person at Tripolizza. —The celebrated Lord Byron is still nt Cephalonia, and fre quently sends large sums to the ()leeks. ( From' the Plote. ) PARI,S, Nov. 11 —Yesterday the King heard mans in his apartment. Ills Majesty afterwards transacted business suc cessively with the Viscount de Senonnes, Seeretary-Oeneral of the Royal Household, and his Excellency M. de Villele. .The following statement is extracted from one of the Bordeaux Journals, entitled the Memorial liordelais :—" The Count d'Onate, who has been exiled by the decree of his :Majesty the King of Spain, and Madame the Countess d'Espinardo, the widow of Sastago, are, daily expected to arrive with a nume rous suite, at Bordeaux, which they have chosen for their residence." BRUSSELS AND FRANKI4IORT PAPERS VENICE, Ocrr. 222—An Austrian vessel which sailed frorr Constantinople on the 3d of this month, arrived on the Ilith a Trieste,and brings news of an action between the Algerine flotilla and the Greek vessels off Lehmoa. ' • The Greeks, it is said, had the disadvantage, and Were forced to set fire to three fireahips to prevent them from falling into the hands o f the enem y . This news -is confirmed by the Captain of another vessel who has arrived in `lO days from Smyrna. The Turkish fleet was Off Mitylene. • . 'I.EOIIOIiN, OCT. 10.—We have accounts from Patras, which state that after some well known events 31avrocordato having proposed to the Greek Government established at Me.. gars, to put itself under the protection .of England, this pro. posal was rejected., with disdain. Mavrocordato having re. peated it at Ilydra, a popular tumult was the consequence, to :which he M 1 a victim : the people tore tains to,pieces.---(Diario de Roma.) BRUSSELS, Nov. 9.—By the last letters from Batavia ( 28 th June),.we learn that the cholera morhns broke out at Amboyna in the beginning of April, and up to May 17th, 20 persons had ditl in the town, of whom 80 were slaves, and 110 soldiers ; but tat the 31st of the same month the disorder was hardly felt, and had entirely ceased among the garrison. The overnor.General eutharked on the Ist June, on board the Cornet corvette, to visit Ternate and Banda. On the lOth June, the Siamese embassy left Java. The Envoy. Lorang Koes Nocrat, who remained at Batavia, had his audience on the Min in which the Governor.Generaldeli , vered him a letter for the Kim!' of Siam, in answer to that which hereceived from his Siamese Majesty, as well as presents for the King, the Prince his son, and the Ambassador himself. s.—The King has. given his approbation to a Society formed some time since for the moral emelioration of theprisoners. Already above 8000 pereons"have inscribed . their nattiest. The installation of the Society will take place at Amsterdam on the 12th of this month. BERNE 00.). —The construction of the Pen i t e n tiar y of leneva hi nearly finished. It, is in imitation of those in the United States, and wiU 'form a striking contrast to the apt , tem of confinement followed in most of the Swiss Cantons, in which the progress of eivillizatiott has not effected any amsi. the improteuicnt. STITTGAitn, Nov..4.—llia Majesty has been graciously pleased to issue a Proclamation for the Meeting of the A 143011). Lily of the States of the Kingdom of Wurtemberg. The opening oithe Session is fixed for the fist of Docember next, and the Members of , both Chambers are required to be here on the 28th of November, or the nett day, the latest. V 'ENNA, Ocm. N.—Their Majek:tita the Emperor atid , Em. press arrived here yesterday at one &clock, on their return front Hellitsch. His Highness Prince Metternich is expected on Sunday. The Austrian Observer of t'. is day, contains further distress. ing MCCOUIIL3 &immense damage caused by the overflowings of the rivers in the Principality ofsalsburg, on the same days (the 13th and 14th of Oct.) that shuffler devastations occiired in Ca. rinthia, Conlin's, Tyrol, and the Venetian provincts. AN tiro ft.i., Nov. iS.-The accounts from Constantinople state, that the affidrs treated of between the English Ambas sador anti the Porte are terminated to the general satisfaction. The, following is the notice given to this etlect by the English C9nsol at Consuuninoplc, and which has been addressed to the English Factory :--; Palace of England, Constantinople, Sept. 12. tc announce to you, fur the information of the Fac tory. that, in consequence of an arrangement concluded this day between the Ottoman Government and me, the removal, in the port of t.:onstantinople, of cargoes, or parts of cargoes, front one European vessel into another European vessel, is henceforth permitted in all ease's, when an official application to that effect *hall be made by the Embalisy in the form agreed upon between the Porte and me. " STRANIi I'olll3. cc Augsburgh, Nov. 3." Ma. OWEN AND TM: CHURCH OF SCOTLAND. ' (LET TF. It'VlII.) itt TO THE EDITOR OF THE GLIM; ) W CHRONICLE. Si It.—At the conclusion o f ststlittOr 1 Ltd.,' Wired to the extritOrdifitify ' resources whiCh — sOclar TM ac- quired through the inventions, discoveries and improvements of the last half century; I stated - also that the practical means being known by which these powers might be applied to melio rate essentially the general character and condition of man kind, human nature could not much longer submit to remain in its present state of sufrering and degradation. - - -- Some of the more enlightened and powerful states must now take the lead in directing a change which is imperatively call ed for, by the new circumstances in which we_ are placed, and of which, even if it were possible to oppose it with effect, it would be the most unaccountable impolicY to attempt to resist the introduction. The free constitutions of Great Britain and the United States of Abierica, and the consequent enterprise of the people' peculiarly fit the inhabitants of these countries to be the first to enter upon this career of improvement. The Govern. ments of both emanate from the people, are supported by the people, and they cannot retain sufficient power for the due administration of the laws , in .opposition to the will of the people. If within the lase 50 years, Great Britain alone has derived from mechanism and chemistry a new scientific power, which now exceeds the manual labour of some hundreds of millions of adults, and to the further extension of which, no limits can be assigned, and if the population of the British isles does not yet amount to more than 23 millions of souls, how comes it that the great mass of these people, whose condition ought to have been improved in proportion to the increased power, thus o btained, not only have not been benefited, but in many respects have experienced a retrograde movement, since its introduction? If the United States, as well as Great Britain, are in possession of a territory, incalculably more than sufficient, when we con sider the late extraordinary progressin all the arts and sciences, that conduce to the easy supply of the wants of life, to maintain in full comfort and enjoyment, twenty times their present population, why have not measures been adopted to secure this comfort and enjoyment to the small number who are now scat tered in their widely extended dominions ? These are questions which the British and American.people will necessarily ask, and to which answers must as necessarily be 'Tiede. • •On the part of the Governments, the only reply can be, that the existing arrangements of society, in both countries, contravene the natural and beneficial application of scientific improvements) and preclude the great majority of the people from participating in the benefits to be derived from the progress of human know ledge, and that, before this highly artificial and grievous state of things can admit of a remedy, the public must declare itself prepared.for an entire change of syStem. To this alternative society must come, sooner or rater, over the world, and as no ,one indiyidual is really benefited, but most vitally injured by the continuance of the present sys tem, and as, on the contrary, none will be injured, but all will gain essentially by the change, no good reason appears why any time should bg, lost, in adopting preparatory measures for its commencement in both countries. Let the example be set by Great Britain and America, and there can be no doubt that its influence will soon extend over the whole of Europe. The South Americans are quite ripe for the change, and it is niost necessary to tranquillize their divided and distracted country. Many of the leading individuals both in Europe and Ame rica, to whom the new principles have been communicated, are convinced .of their truth, and have expressed themselves friendly to the pioposed ameliorations, and some of the pre sent Sovereigns on the Continent have transmitted to me the kost decided marki of their approbation of the course which I have pursued. My intention therefore is to recommend, as a preliminary proceeding, the establishtnent of a certain number of commu nities in Great Britain, Ireland, and America, the regulations for the conducting and governing of which , should be founded on principles which have been explained in my former letters. I have already; on many occasions, submitted to the public in detail such arrangements as, with reference to the workingiclasses at least, appeared to me to comprehend a combination of cir cumstance most favourable to a right application of their indus try, and to a substantial and permanent Improvement of their general condition, physically, mentally, and morally. lam how. ever far from assuming that these arrangements are not suscep- Lillie of amendment. On the contrary, lam aware that expe rience will point out many defects, and suggmt.many beneficial attractions. But I believe that whatever modifications the plan may require in Its details, in principle it can admit of no innovation. As soon as one community shall be established upon the principle proposed, the inhabitants of the surrounding district will not fail speedily to discover how much they suffer by not adopting similar arrangements, and when such insti tutions shall prevail generally in any one country, the ex ample In like manner will inevitably operate upon neighbour ing nations. A rapid change therefore may be anticipated, a change altogether different in character from ordinary changes among men 'and nations. These have proceeded at a very slow pace. For when• an improvement is discovered under the old system; the individual with whom it first origi nates, and afterwards the nation to whom such individual be lone, do all in their power: for their own supposed adsiantage, to circnntscribe the knowledge of it within their own limited circles. Under the new system no motives can exist to this narrow-minded and vicious policy. Every useful invention or discovery will be unreservedly communicated to every part of society without exception, to individuals 'and countries. As the sun shines and the. rain descends upon all, so will the im prevements, Which the human mind in any quarter of the world may achieve, be freely distributed to the whole fatally of man kind. And it is in this interchange of good offices, so advan tageous to all, that the commerce of individuals and of nations will principally consist. Some part of the imblic will, I have no doubt, continue to say " The man who contemplates so vast and so rapid a change in the state of society must be a visionary, or he trust be mad." I am equally certain however that as soon as they shall attempt to explain in what the vision or madness consists, they will, like all those who have already made a similar attempt, only farther expose the weakness and irrationality of the system under which they have been educated. observe that the Committee of the House of Commons, which sat the last Session of Parliament to inquire into the cm pl.,y :Lent of the poor of Ireland, have, in their report taken a very imperfect view of the measures which I recommended: , for the permanent relief of the population of that country. They appear not to have approached the subject as statesmen, whose " ue to recommend of proceed. minds were made up to probe to itS solve° the cause of the evils which afflict that devoted country, and baldly o r sc the only adequate remedy. A.nd anyother ing than this is little better than tantalizing the feelings of nearly one-third of the population of the British isles, who are now existing in a state,of unparalleled degradation•and misery. Ireland requires that its population should be well employ ed; that it should be trained and educated in betker kbits ; f‘ that VrodUctions should more lel • Ily dillanNl,; , !And ti it stlvld be ma iticoo re th, ;Ed nkt a cause of wcattnesS, — tr' en" ritaitt. 4 Ti e biallatioN objects can be obtained only through systematic arrange ments such as I have proposed. But this subject I shall renew at a proper season, for it iA not my intention to relinquish the cause of Ireland, until the condition of its inhatiltattnhall bi as it easily might be, essentially improved. That which now 'remains to be more particularly explained is the mode by ,whielt the great change which I recommend can be carried into execution without injury to individuals or to governments. In the first place, it calls for no premature disturbance of existing institutions. It disclaims all violent means, as being certain to defeat its object. Whatever forms of government way exist nny country, it is not only not necessary, but it would be highly impolitic, to attempt any inroad upon them, before the minds of the great mass of the people shall be prepared to re ceive and appreciate the ameliorations which ore intended to be introduced. It is in this particular point that all projected modern reforms have failed. The promoters of them, however good their intentions, commenced at the wrong end. They be. ran by seeking to destroy the old fabrics before they laid the foundation of any other, or before they knew where the foun dation ought to'rest. Such' has been the error of the attempted revolutions in France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, and South Anie ricii. Every vile passion has been called into frightful acti vity; millions of innocent victims have been eacrificed, and yet how little real good has been attained! The reform now proposed demands no victim of any tle. scription. , Every government in the world will find it to ne its interests to adopt measures for its introduction. No change of the individuals, at present 'administering governtnent, will be necessary or will be desired by any party. The priests ard clergy of all countries and denominations, will retain the ad vantages and privileges which they at present possess. Nothing more will be required from them than to teach and preach those principleswhich enlightened men of all, ages have ever considered es the eeeepce of every religion. They will train the rising generation and instruct the adult population In, those divine precepts which, whetidisencumbered of all disputed and doc trinal pointa, cannot fail to bring down, heaVen upon earth. They will therefore teach and preach only' love, charity, peace, ' and good-will to the whole human race ; and when they do this with sincerity and truth; as every motive will then induce them to do, they will be surprised and gratified to find' how soon these virtues will univerfally prevail. • It . is the disputed and doctrinal points of all religious which necessarily produce all the bad passions and feelings which now pervade society. Rut for these mankind, with the aid of the resources which they now possess for the easy production of whatever can conduce to the enjoyment of life, would immediately live in peace and harmony and good-will together, all co-operate for the benefit of each; even those who are now the most inveterate enemies I of each other would speedily become sincere And affectionate friends. And can it beemagined that any'clergyman or priest, professing any faith or doctrine, whether disputed or not by others, would swerve from his duty were he to make it his chief object and constant practice to teach love, charity, peace, and good-will to all mankind ?Is it possible, in the nature of things, that men can possess the ability to perform any other real service for that great incomprehensible power which ani mates. and directs the universe, than to contribute to the ut most of his faculties, :tO .the happiness especially of all those, I his fellow-beings, whom that power has brought into existence ? This, and this alone, is true religion, pure and undefiled, and will remain untouched, its such to the end of time; nor, according to the belief which has been deeply impressed on my Anhui is there, tiny other of the least practical. utility. This, then, is the only faith and practice which will be re quired from the members of the new communities, in addition to which, provided it shall permit them to practice the virtues of love anti charity, withiaut exception, towards all their fellow beings, they may prole s; and follow the ceremonies of any faith whatever. No fellow creature will be blamed or found fault with for his belief, whether lie be Jew or Christian, 11la. hotnetlan or Hindu() a discipline of Confucius, or a Pagan, let him in his practice 'but uniformly evince love, cheeky, peace and good-will to all his fellow-creature, and he will he freely admitced into this new church, of which it is not only hoped but confidently expected that all the churches in the world will ultimately become only so many brunches. Here, then, contest ends. difilettldes in the way of never-ceasing improvement terminate. The path to union, permanent and universal, is opened, and all who can acquire sense end understanding will pursue It with ardour. The funds appropriated to relieve distress in all countries, now misapplied, are wufficient under proper directio n to pro duce the desired change in a comparatively short period. Rut the most easy and. certain mode of affecting it will be by na tional loans, granted at fair interest to the individuals who shall compose each community ; the capital and interest to be secured on the laud and buildings belonging to the association, which, by the united industry efficiently applied, of all its members, would annually enhance the value of the fixed pro perty, until in a few years it would become--equal to any na. tumid security that the most powerful country could offer.— Thus would the redundant wealth of every country that which is now the most useless, be directly appropriated 'in the best manner to employ, train, and educate the poor, the ignorant, and the vicious, to regenerate as it were the great mass of man kind, whose character and conditions, it is evident, must be in proved before atiy real advance can be made in human society. It is not, therefore, by what is called charitable subscription' and donations, which generally tend to injure the giver, and degrade the receiver, that the proposed amelioration is to be effected, but by the well-directed industry of those who are themselves to enjoy the first benefit of their exertions, and who will feel disposed cordially to co-operate in every step of the proceeding. Who then shall stay this change ? who, when the value of it shall be known and understood as it soon must be, can pos sess the power or the will to prevent its rapid course through every country and clime where human beings can be found? Toe governors and the governed, the teachers and the taught, the church, the state and the people, are all involved in one great interest, by the promotion of which the individuals corn. posing these hitherto separate and opposing powers, will dis cover that each will obtain individual advantages, that no church or state ;Jr people could yet bestow upon the most highly favoured persons. I have thus endeavoured to fail, as far as the limits of this mode of communication would admit, the promisee which was madein the first letter of this series. The principles have been developed on which the new system is mounded. It has, I trust, been proved that it is vain and hopeless to expect intelligence, virtue and happiness, from any of the prevailing systems of so ciety—also, that the new system is the only one by which the great objects of human life can be attained—and lastly, I have endeavoured to explain what has been and what is intended to be done, in order to enable all classes of persons and all nations to understand in what manner the change may be effected with. out loss, disadvantage or inconvenience to a single individual. The new principle being now before the world, I repeat, that if they contain error hidden .from ine,, I shall indeed feel my. Self deeply indebted to the individual, whoever he may be, who shall make that error manifest to my understanding. Nor shall it he so male for one hour before I take measures to re. nounce it in the most public manner. t n u m b e ther odeserves. discussion a peperiodical o d witheal publication, the b l iea dignity, tion , has, h as e , temper, and the honesty which it t It gives me pleasure to find that my friend Mr. 3PGavin has turned his attention to this important subject. The public has, doubt t r li i a n t A a I believe, great confidence in his zeal and integrity ; and I have no b he ereweielnl pursue I sin informed, taken up the question in a manner that indi. cotes a total absence of that spirit in which elmie any investi. gation of this nature can be rationally conducted. Whether this be the case or not, I have but one reply to make to those who, from a defectiiie training and education, have un f or t u n ate . ly acquired a propensity to indulge in puerile personalities ; and in whose minds, therefore, a desire to discover truth for the benefit it may confer upon our species, can hardly be supposed to predominate. The reply is, that personal cony • ersations are of no vat in my estimation. They may say whatev er they like ue of Robert Owen,—in my view of the subject he is nobod mere sound, anti whatever he has been, is, or 37—nothing —a consequence to the public, still less can • may be, is of no which is now before its tribunal. it concern the question s may sit believe, that he is worse than all the 17 y, and perhaps gone before him. Be it No ; and if it shallhuman betuga, vvho have that he is even worse than auy other please them to add become, be this also admitted, if the admission human being can ever any satisfaction. Rut all this afFeete will atfard them truth or error of the principles which not in any manner time the world. And • I do not mean h have been submitted to mere transitory existence of a singletat a name designating a !awed to divert the public attention individual shall be al !awed the happiness or misery o from a subject which in generations. It is of the hi e • this, and of all succeeding certain the truth or errorimportance to society as answer no purpose whatever the system proposed, but it can sity, to hear any thineither except to gratify u se l ess cur i o . g Pod or bad of New Lanark., 2d Nov, 1823. ROBERT OWEN THIS MORNING.—The Ticket, N 0.7379, drt_wn this morning a Prize of..1:10,000, was SOLD by BISH, 4, Cornhill, and 9, Charing Cross • who also Said, in Shares, No. 18,564, the First Priv £20,000, in the Present Lottery.—The other 1:20,000 was i awn w our 'taper went to press. _ , C TUBS [MY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Bank Stock shut'ln4;. Stock .................. -- 3 per Cent. Red. 324 Vila Bonds.. ............... 87s. 3 per Cent. Cons. 33i. - South Sea Stock ............. 3 i.per _ Cel t j — Old Annuities . ............ .. _,_ —... A per Cent. I thd . 99th EL Bills 43 t New 1034 Ditto Small ................... 3 per Cents. 1797 — Bank fin Act. .......... : .... Bank Long Ann. ' , di India for Con. Acct. ....•• Imp. 3 per Cents. - Cons. fur Ace. ...... . . ...... Oil; PRICE OF FOREKIN STOCKS IN LONDON, Nov. AT ONE O'CLOCK. I Five per Cents. 88k. - 1 Scrip, f. Six per Cents. 00. Russia:: Five per Cents. (Metallic) 00. (Ditto New 834. Fiva per Cent. Bonds, 00. Five per Cents. (Metallic) 00. (Five per Cent. Bonds, 1820, M. Spanish Ditto 1821, 24i. Ditto 1823,18. Prussian Five per Cent. Bonds, 864. 1 Ditto New, 874. Danish Five per Cent. Bonds, 00. Chili 66. Colombian Six per Cent. Bonds, 60k. Peruvian New Loan, 00. Portuguese Scrip, a dis. 100. Poyals New, .li. I Bank Shares £OO os. Seven per Cent. 000. Six per gent. 00 —OOO. Five per Cent. 00 —OOO. Three per Cent. 00 00. French Neapolitan Austrian PRICE OF IRISH STOCK, Nov. 11. Bank Stock 2413 i Grand Canal tom, 6 p.a. ---, Gov. Deb. 3A per cent. 94 Ditto 4 per cent.... 36 g Stock, 31 per et 93 ------DittoStock ............ -_-; Gov. Deb. 4 per cent. — Royal Canal Stock ......... :.ii Gov. Deb. 5 per cent. -,- - -,..Stock, 4 per cent i Do. Deb. with Uov. Sec.... -- Niw Treasury Kills, Bills, .5 - per cent — Do. 6 per cent. ---- - City Debentures, 4 per ct — Ballast Office Govt. Sec. Lying in Hospital 4 per ct — 5 per cent. Exchange on London, Nov. 10, 74. lIIGII WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE To-monttow Alorning, , 18 minutes after 11. 1 Evening, 47 ininutus law 11 THE SUN. SOLEM QUIS DICERS FiILSUM kUDEAT LONDON, FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 1823. EXPRESS FROM PARIS. We have received by Express the Etoile and he Pilote of yesterday. They are chiefly filled with reports of the proceedings ef the Court of Assizes. We subjoin the only articles which they contain of general interest. 'farragoes and Ilostalrich, it appears, were entered en th e same day by the French troops as Barcelona and the Eioile exultingly announces, 11" tier conquest of Catalonia has thus bet.li fttl‘l;:kie" by the valour of the Royal Army, awl by the devotion of the Spanish people to their King. The conquest of Catalonia, ho" - ever, was in effect achieved at Cadiz; and neith er the bravery of Marshal MoNcEY, nor the eirt)r t ' of the Baron d'EttoLEs, produced much i n 'P res ' sion in Catalonia, until the contest there Wa s " 11. tiered hopeless by the surrender of the rest of SP"' ° ' MINA and ROTTEN are to be conveyed by sea w France, where they have been promised an *OW' and where they will have the satisfaction of eece ig ; ing the respect even of the men who have sehdue' ,. their country, and w h o w ill b e unable t 0 s'itto clue hold from them the admiration which is their patriotism and their virtues. Th e gence from Constantinople is somewhat o e n : for the permanency of the pacific disP°sit' I nu ( and arrangements which had been escite L to , cultivated with so much industry and add ress oce Lord STRANGFORD. The Janissaries are Ito; morenasters the of the Divan and of th ° and so l ong t as trouled by these turbulent policy : 5 0 0$' t all there can be no security for the fulintli fil " e ( vs. one of its engagements. The Janissa ritl rc l of tinguisheds in particular, for their hs" ilb an Russia; and as they are possessed W be ignorant but most arrogant ide 3 ° ins" power and grandeur of the Ott ° en' , be pire, which they believe can 0 14 . ,011° fele dangered by condescending to be ° 0 " o a f nd th f e ero 7 t orctes terms with Christian States, for 10' 4 „ )1 • other hand, they entertain sentimee— profound contempt, there is everY don° sibility of their insisting that all th e .r of Russia shall be rejected, and of the ino. re sts ° ting some outrage on the rights and A j 0 1 •1 re a rliO' that Power, which will provoke v i 0 ;0 the downfall of their own barbarian do° Europe. day. TheKing [l: i r e o a n r t dtheinEat mass siieionf Yesterd4ol of the talen t i ti A' s s r ; The King did not go out, b° - • FRANCE.his pres iotP' Nov.s. — A a Council of his Ministers. ,05 NEWS FROM r fro" BARCELONA,partY ol I A Legitimate 1 , o n. hot P" te r Bona on the same day that Mars , f 10 , 0 4th Corps entered llostalriL Conegliano entered Barcelona. 14°;.ti,e104,; rninate'd by the valour of the tr oop s° fordo thel and by the love of the Spanish ile°Ple- .Isl a f Sovereign, the conga--