The Sun. — London, England, 1846-03-04 00:00:00

.........'""'' fat do ti, Itbout due n a dire to that the ._ o lony alt math how ever, is inhabit' fr sh fil 'oh 'poi' stle° Foto' I ;plh, the S ----------------- a toeit. Faker decided open giving the preference to Mr. pie was injurious to the franchise, or could in any degree be • Mr. m e interfered with by the House. The Hon. Member for War deesg , 'nRAELI said, that his name had been intro- wickehire had densunced this system of creating votes, and yet, griee eee ', 4 ,: ° the discussion as an interested reviver of old at Old Bond-street or at. Willis's Rooms, he had assisted in similar ki•nd 6 allega'i,na in the debate were of a Passing' a resolution by which the protectionists declared that his b y tile ~ ,t o that be ht d made aeli's) watch had been preferred against they would fight the Anti-Corn-law League with their own !us NI% eiynsr:urable Member for Bath. In the course of weapons ; and this he did while making a speech for doing smile for observatio ns the other night, things whit he was prepared to say the League had never B e a reply . 'some remarks which it se as not worth done at all. The Hon. Member for Knaresbo:ough, with his end ecee r hit. ° now to refer to. These remarks had usual indiscretion, hail a . ade an erroneous statement with re from the Hon. Member for Durham (Mr. Prright) white s ference to the West Riding of Yorkshire ; and he could tell evi ous) . went to show that the difference which had bead of the existed between the Right Hon. Gentleman at time the Hon. Member, if he would go to the proper officers who (k r , eo , ,`"e Government and the Hon. Member for Stockport looked after the registration in the West Riding for both lo ft ' setasclen a I, d to r • a been perfectly made up. But he would parties, he would find that, in the very last year, the monopo lists made a larger number of objections to free traders than et p °mind the Hou e, that immediately before the meeting the free traders did to the monopolists. That he stated as a 1 1 . 7 1itr ant, that . Hon. Member had stated that no commu ,;ra•lon could 7,:l'orGthee; possibly take place between him and the Right fact. Why, he, had often been brought himself from Scot- No f ntiensan at the head of the Ministry. Now he must tiaateof revibeeingefind and Northumberland to maintain his vote, and he was confident a [setter vote could not Ise to • remind the House that when these allege- found in the borough of Rochdale. The Right s pat soly us a, old grievances had been alleged against him, Hon. Baronet some ten years ago, recommended the protee tena's of the debatthee, and he would beg to say that: he had re- knew from the exclamation of the Ilonourable Member for llst —ed t he Ri s. stiont tont° Hon. Gentleman in a very crowded House , Shrewsbury, of " How we did register?" the manner in which "4 be et , ," " explanation, at least sufficiently satisfactory, , the protectionists did follow that advice. They knew how the . sir It T r am ., to the Hon. Member for Stockport. ! protectionists subscribed their money for the purpose, and he stii r t , t L read the words which he used three years ! was not ashamed to admit that they were subscribing .money 'sated e repeated • * that the reparation he then made was not suffieient, he , ' had been made out of one holding. Why, he knew a case elt, eve at once taken the opportunity of making a fuller i where, on the estate of a Noble Duke in Scotland, as many as f. W hi ( 1 41 re into th k in , • ELLIS hoped that a Committee would be appointed , nineteen votes had been made for one place in that country. Now, this was nothing, so long as Gentlemen on the oppisite s %elf l es s e existing system of objecting to voters. He had : benches were prepared to act upon the principles of the Regis ot.e thn,e;,Stear been objected to, although he had enjoyed the I tration Act. But now the tables were turned—their game 14 1 •001 a ik passing of the Reform Bill. i was up—they were no longer strong—they were now a broken esre p JON thought it was absurd that a man should 1 Party. The principle which they formerly advocated had now ?Mt, l'e aped t o . itlt e.t his fra be at his house at a certain time every year to turned against them, and now they were desirous of obtaining a l ' e mati oo "'chive He had no doubt that the result of an another form. .He would tell them that they had simply adopted on the subject would lead to the greatest benefits the same principle, and that they wood make use 'gall the forms ass la ps °n oft. r, LA y ;lzulati - ng the registration of voters. —( Hear. ) which the House allowed '.hem, wi.h the view of carrying the soi be Ts ees „ , S ON seid he rose to congratulate the Fret Lord ab•mli ion of . the . corn-laws. The Anti-Corn-law League had 4 lila sea e ,SaY for his maintaining the same opinion that ev- made up their minds—they had decided on this point, and they toted e at ne hal maintained on the evening previous. Anil were determine.l to carry the matter through the agency of mat on other honest . elections. He thought that. the system of votes beimag ase riest)l,‘ occasions be would pursue the same the t hat the Question, question.") He was very glad ()ejected to, was one ao likely to answer the purpose of one keintee a Right Him. Baronet had no connexion with party as the ether. They had nothing to gain by untruth. V o i nit ta e lra- law League. But, from what they had seen, Public opinion was in their favour, arid the question simply 17a te ateasaalesrurse of the session it was quite excue that the was, whether they should proceed in the course which they had e .eon 'e n e e zi f or Warwick should have believed that he had a !opted, .er whether they should forbear ? Hon. Gentlemen 1,411eg f , °'s with that body , for, when they saw him would quite understand his views, but he might say ties, that "ta tliffie u r ir'd measures proposed by the League, it was the law which Gentlemen on the opposite side of the House ad atesstiones to arrive at any other conclusion—(Cries of vocated, was as good as buried.—( Cheers. ) * Ito "i• But when the Right Hon. Baronet stated that he Mr. S. O'BRIEN was exceedingly grieved to see the ►a te is_ onexion ' it _ boo t _ h atsoever with the League, why, they heavenly serenity of the . Member for Durham disturbed. Now ahji etile h ay : believe him. At the same time, he considered he must beg to remind the House that the point which that Ina: b t ions s h o, heen more satisfactory to the House that these Hon. Gentleman had mooted, although it was very forcible, t aa l ad a lid not have been served in the wholesale manner had no Relation to the matter in d Ante; the great question was 14statrodoeraell detailed to the House. If the Government as to how far the 40s. freeholders had had not been made use ho.its strepeneved 11,4 4 1e 4. „7" untie measure for cutting down the Anti-Corn- of as mere instruments. Now he could say that the allege- O h " h e I (,!iear, hear)—and if they had not given way to tion had been that large associations, with large funds at their giving way was the only method to in- command, had interfered greatly with the elections in several lair' ll hi s h gth—thev would have been more likely to hay, parts of the country, and he begged to remind the Hon. alem- Iss e 7,he ael'P lar t—(Eaughter)—and that of the body with ber for Liskeard (Mr. C. Buller) that the Hon. Member for Halifax had asserted that two parties had interfered in his die areine t ar , (Hear, hear, and cheering)—than they were t _ e she new present course trict with large sums of money, and had considerably affected ' l lls s " 4 oT s • os e , % e h, HERTON thought that the Anti-Corn-law those elections. H . e ventured to assert that in no case had a laa th itee o ; al ' e t° be very much obliged to the Hon. Members single vote been objected to by the Conservative party, except by . persons residing in the district in which the vote was ob tas We *a. great notice they had taken of their exertions, e 'Reli t i eln S a Period when they were thought nothing of by tamed. lli tr il on e ! n.--( Laughter.) In his own borough there had Mr. E. ELLICE,. jun., said, that in the district which be Retti g had btene 700 votes objected to, and he was of opinion represented, an association of country gentlemen had been formed, which was called the Conservative Registration Association ; Ih t f l l ill the en done in many other places ' for the purpose of aril . that association having failed in the' county, they turned s tt oee gee b ounty members. He thought the Anti-Corn "l:444ln b e ad done' much good, and if that Leaeue was not their energies . and their money towards . the borough which he a se tall") s' h a n immediate repeal of the corn-law; —(cries of represented, in order to destroy the liberal party. If a vote were . objected to in Scotland by a wealthy person, it would cost Ile, la th e „eY would still go on and cause much more annoy %Olt tt ra. , aton. Gentlemen who now opposed them. He him from 101. to 20'. to keep that vote on the register.. Now, htlti. b: tl 'e Right Hon. Baronet had shown great fore- however, that they were all agreed, the sooner some measure, Is e ,' be pu i law how it was that the Anti-Corn-law League calculated to restrain such illegalities was introduced, the s , better it would he for the interests of the country. htZtls pi a 4° wn, and he adopted a liberal policy in accord Mr. BO RTH WICK considered that this was a question Sa t ' irt the s 'ews• He could assure the House that many which . demanded investigation, and the question for the House Sla t to eo , e Country were purchasing houses to enable them whether 'certain acts, so uncon stests. ie t for those candidates who would represent their t o . inquire into seas, te s cle, ti les „Was quite a mistake of the Hon. Gentleman to stitutional as to be utterly subversive of all law, 4, slaw T eagu e tithe uarter-of-a-million fund raised by the Anti- had been perpetrated by a body calling itself the Anti-Corn law League. fie should like to know if the Hon. Member is th teow e t bwas spent for the purpose of purchasing votes. to 4.1 4 t, as were fast qualifying fer the elections, and had ever assisted an honest elector in the purchase of his vote. ape; rn s unfai r to think of interfering with those votes, for If he were to leave the electoral body alone, without interfering ill t he G: h who had a right to vote ought not to be objected with his half million of money, he would do much better. But t eps Ja m th.n t leolen on the other side of the House. —( Hear.) the lion. Member said, " Oh, I shall assist them with my hil i t ele et ." People would go on and strengthen themselves money if they are favourable to my views, and will go with me . no usns, to Ma so• to forward them." He hoped the Noble Lord the Member for 1 t ete r : 4 ll 'ArSID said it was a mistake to suppose that the ensh e London, whe was so eminently known as the originator of the. Me pith r for Warwichshire was objecting to the inter- Reform Bill, would not lie against putting a stop to such a , lie s , ,, „ system of interference with the franchise. IN' of se 'Be bad votes. What his Hon. Friend com steer as the system of objecting to good votes. He Mr. O'CONNELL—One word, Sir—one word for Ireland —( Hear, hear.) I understand that the grievance complained ' :ated to e the House that his (Mr. Ferrand's) vote had been tit: th , he eou f q four years successively. The only means by of is that notices are served upon voters, informing them that s ii,tloti ee , Put a stop to this system of annoyance was by they are to be objected to at the registration. Now, if this is s' th ere a° the parties that he would bring an action a grievance . with . you, I shall show how far greater is our cause te as es ter ; srarecover the costs. He believed that if the of complaint in Ireland. In that country the elector il e ? ea tbem,lowed to go on t h ey would soon be able to h a d t o t rave l many m i les to have his name placed %le t , j,s Ch o Dowd fide voters o f E ng l an d, an d t h us return on the registry. I n t hi s country the complaint is hh.asee cie a' wsuld not duly represent the interests of their that notices are served on the electors, stating the nature of i fs. lsah ois s , , , for the majority of voters would be destroyed the objections to their claiming to be placed upon the registry. ti e „ FO Poe. Late system of forgery and perjury. Now, in Ireland no such notice is served at all, and in the lt4 ' MAU op, . LE said that the question seemed to be a s e " soy g ---it was that of the endeavour of a powerful body county which I represent —a county with a population of over seven hundred thousand—the electors are obliged to travel kt !Me ta votes. It would be found that this had been fifty miles to have their names placed on the registry ; and till his ea toa _r tactics pursued in the registration courts they got there . they know not what objections they have to Piqp:o s i te " , r id of years. Honourable Members, however, on meet. Now, if the elector did not take that trouble, he would itee'sbut e s' kiltit'ntir feet the made never supported an inquiry into this yozaz they found that the shoe did not not be able to vote at all. An HoN. Mzererit (on the protection side of the House)— Itt el ? subject ; but no:t:fforts to support . that inquiry itom e to their own th e Is that a o nnu o ally ? E L _ . . not League having brought the Alr. ' NN L —No, it is annually ; and that is t hat the ' [ cod that the in • doors t hey complained very loudly. . , quiry was about to be t bli , hed and he if y ou another grievance with us. I state these things to show that ytt also Tries would be e xtended, es a t cols to ' En g think the objections stated hero this evening are to be one into, we have the first claim upon you.--( Hear, hear. ) reland and Scotland ; noim Govern- Iv , in consequence of that i hald • to and that the. But this is only one of the lighter grievances of Ireland, and I ltbis , shall now, Sir, content myself with having stated that the ltlap sis grievance, inquiry, bring in a Bill to . het : te n d , ie .. Race s grievance on our part is far heavier. 'there stated, that in the county which he re- Mr. MONCK TON MILNES hope that Ireland would N I iTere bad been no less that 1,500 objections made, not he forgotten, and considered that it would be highly im- S7 4 tof C h self, but in consequenoe of the determined prosier, if the Right lion. Baronet permitted the evil to be tqk , if ls constituents, no more than five names had beenre- remedied in England and not in Ireland. He begged to pro a c t he list, test against the assumption of his Hon- Friend the Member 11. 4 c4 DULLER did not see the necessity of any inquiry. !slh 4 t hat th for Liskeard (Mr. C. Buller), that there was a greater guilt ea , ea ortiae . ey . had arrived at a stage beyond that of inquiry. upon that subject on that side of the House that upon his. a'ts;' . 's te ete r s :tat a state in which the evil was confessed, and If the landlords of England were to follow the example of the m I S alf e e_,. !cl to adopt any practicable remedy.—( Hear, League, and set themselves to partitioning out their estates at siateee loa met not know whether it would he proper to move into small votes, they . would have beaten the League out of a le , slema ak a t tat to the motion of the Right Hon. Member the field. He was rejoiced to see that they had not entered N iZose ? J ure ; but he confessed that he should be inclined into such an unworthy conflict.—( Hear, hear.) If the large 4 , Litt le sum obtained by the League was devoted to the purpose of 'Ale aye be given to the Noble Member to bring in r ' Nell he • his giving to the farmers of England an opportunity of voting with la p na b , stated he had in pocket.—( Cheers.) Ih4 , 4 l l:'its hi s r 'GATE was understood to say that he had not the League, he considered that it would be a great waste of ea IttiPossession. money. It would be difficult 'to impress upon his mind that Zie e i rane ri L L ER said there were no doubt instances in the sum of 25,0001.-- I N Purp: s by Committees of that House were necessary A MEMBEn. on the opposition side stated that it was 250,000 . /. se e r g s eld'esseof Legislation, but it was equally true that Mr. M. MILNES proceeded to state of he m? l a l tit n hal t l h -a t -ni th il .: >ttat:lt'Poisl:. Preventing of ng (c b h e e e e n vs in ) stit :l tt n ed th fo at r lion sum —or s h p e en s t l:o s u o l i d el say quarter yfor a thepurpose o a f m fa l cil l italing votes. St i les o f et ,er, the evil complained g Of was stated ' to exist by ale could not believe that the 2,000 voters lately added to the l a 4 h b ` u e House.—(Cheers.) The extent to which West Riding of Yorkshire, had obtained their votes with their It b tak/ear7 o a e _arried had often been referred to in that House own money ; it was a fact which he . could not believe. He tens that and Bills had been brought in by Noble trusted that they would proceed . . by Legislation upon this matter, t o . 4 t (the opposition) side of the House, in order to anal he thought that the petition of the Hon. Member for he t nose il lt th , H on a practices, but they had been invariably Staffordshire would tend to delay the measure. L 1,, ev e tb • Members on the ether side of the House, as Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that many years ago, he had altta s w as eo e se gangway as below it.—(Hear and laughter.) introduced a Bill, in which he provided, what lie thought Leine we ; glad to find that those above and below the would be a remedy against this evil—whether that remedy tee „" as the Government, took a different course, were proper . or not, he would not at present discuss. The ?e, ~:) Wie arguments which they had made use of.— measure which he proposed was, that the voter who had been *P tte i ,„ ° w, he advised them to have no mere recrimina- twice before tho . Court —his name! should be for the future farles,etice had been much in vogue from the time of retained upon the list without any further trouble, except there ‘ L aws Creet League down to the origin of the Anti- should be some circumstances tending to disqualify him as 6" s ll L ,aot th e e• Now, as they were convinced of the ex- a voter. :That was the remedy which he proposed. IN-tr, „,, bad practices referred to, let them emulate He confessed that it did seem to him to make no difference s tt lis Q they - w " endeavour to put an end to them—( Ch eeri o— whether votes were created at the suggestion of the Anti-Corn 1044N:re reprehensible to parties in that House and law League or by . any other . body, and when Hon. Gentlemen i, t 4 th :ld i o n'ent of the country. He believed that they say, "W . e must inquire into the practice were carried on by S ti i p th e Ale: Bill, which had been introduced by the Noble the Anti-Corn-law League, but we will leave it to flourish if ta s sle t i . l all .her for the City of London, various means f or adopted by parties who have other ends in view then the repeal Siettktoe of eye evils, which however did not meet with the of the corn - law."—(Cheers .) . If an investigation was neces -0 s qte to __The House; but as it was now the practice to sary it should not be made into the proceedings of one party is s 'sra ' ?al.e n e "ores, he trusted the House would reconsider but into the proceedings of all—in short, it should be a te t ,sleq o a Pass it.--(Cheers. ) general as suggested, by the Hon. Member for Liskeard (Mr. s'` , :sa•qa,_ 'eSTRE perfectly agreed with the Hon. Mem- C. Buller). The Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for seetie, isaltestion before the House was above party coil- Bute had alluded to the creation of fictitious votes, but he (Lord h - sse t "l lel affected their honour as well as the interest of John Russell) did not know when the practice was so much aeltsa'llta t a ;JO. He agreed with the Noble Member for carried on as in Scotland, and he must have heard of instances' aalegali ' ire that the way in which the votes of quali- in which votes were created in that country in the way re talsefgetee s t , r s e objected to was exceedingly reprehensible, fei.red to. The Hon. Gentleman the Vice-President of the Board 11,1i te 't % It " Parties to considerable antiolance. In that of Trade must be aware that many elections had been carried by s4it sa * e as a .,: t r.a which he (Lord Ingsstrej represented the such votes, which were possessed by parties without property. toto t a g etli: il ed to a wholesale extent. They were there. He (Lord John Russell) hoped, therefore, that when remedies I:Ve te a tillin g the Government to take steps to put a were applied that they would be general, and not applied to a measure to O it a ; ssttte,tey introducing . protect the con- the proceedings of any body of men, but ' to the proceedings of fi r, a et ~..,. net who had a right to have their names on all.--( Hear, hear.) Then, with regard to those voters who ,' , 4, ‘...lcs i :Rnt not be wantonly objected to. were encouraged by the Anti-Corn-law Lesgue to purchase t s 'l t v ° ,l l , , th e 'a t P rose and said he had but a few remarks to f_reeenahohledrsfoirnmoatreesrtattheadt that instances i n m s i t g a tt ce p s osess o v c o e t es. .The Hon. had occurred m York ,ltttts:tll,3 Verc s. t...._ It . struck him that he had a good d a e n a d l M shire of working men having votes without possessing any pro- 4e e 7 ' s Hiding of . Yorkshirefar many years , e ses -w e /4 eertectly well a notice being delivered to a gen- peaty. If this were so he considered it a fraud; but, on the ether hand, whei e men having saved 50/. or 601. by their tal it i le 14 t e mber of that House, requesting that he would be ' Rote * ot a eti • • • 1 14 4 • e for a certain candidate An Hon Gentleman industry chose, at the instance of the Anti-Corn-law League or VI te le °hist side of the House said, o wnen ?" He anyboey else, to lay it out in the purchastiof freehold land, and to 'eat t —but he thought 00 - lle• ' moist it did , not signify when, to receive the rents which it yiejded, he said those votes were as 0 s Ss wh o ° say so. All he could say was, that the gen- good as those possessed by . . any other person. The Hon. Mem a le a. % r n he alluded, who had received that notice was her who had just sat down (Mr. W. Mines) said that the la li t its st I,' and he thought ' the Hon. Gentlemen psite right of voting on account of the possession of a freehold ao e ltsg t e ti a little cautious how they made statements. in the comities in England implied residence. He Si t l t : tl ettre t rs West Riding of Yorkshir e, it was not proved thought this was not necessary—(Hear)—and the Right Hon. k 1,4 c o q: e r interference twit Place. but there were on Gentleman opposite would, no doubt, remember, that when t )it Sa L at , question practices adopted which had better be the Reform Bill was under discussion, the question was fully Vta e " Parties He thought it was a consideration discussed, and it was determined that a persons vote, al ati tie fo r co nsideration of the House, that it was perfectly though non-resident, should be as good as those who resided on a iri s nap e re ettn s: elector to use the franchise in an inde- the spot for which they claimed a vote, and he could not . con- NSe" the A voter, unless he was connected sent to disfranchise persons on account of non-residence, e See eh ° two parties, was utterly at a loss to —Meer hear). ;ke f ,llle h ° tlld proceed; which was a practical grievance, Mr. MILNES explained that he merely said that in a con- Nt le e 4 d e ,,eti e :S as soon as possible, abolished, by securing stitutional sense, persons ought not to be entitldd to vote, not OIL se a " 1 voting. Unless that system were adopted, that the law prevented theirs from doing so. OIL at / Of th e olll4 be of no avail, and he was glad to find Mr. HUME said, during the last few year 5,600 frivolous 15 4 1 ,711 0 . 0. 50t. e re who opposed an amendment in the regis- objections had been served in the county of Middlesex, but mrticularly in the borough of Marylebone. Although he had nil 'he ' - 'd tf s t e a! were now alive to the real state of the facts, particularly titPe„l'ev er "' what had happened at Warrington would in occupied a house in it for the last twenty-five years, 1 ‘ ) 101 4 ni tk mt e r a . he had been served with objections for the last three years, ti s i le s ate 4 . 1%17 said that he would claim the indulgence It was always his misfortune that the measures which he pro a•tiZets-'lll a is 4 " . a short time. When that Hon. Member posed to the House were at the time rejected, but he was ' a l th e, is - re membered many years ago that a notice happy to say to be aft erwardt adopted.—( Hear and laughter.) 1A he flentleman re uesting him to vote for a certsin It was no easy matter, however, to turn him from his opinions, when he felt that they were correct, and that he was pursuing tttsil t i q ge irltht t° :ay tha l t he was prompted to say so, and t kirlyo t he 40d r emembered it. He (Mr. Ferrand) was a constitutional course. Now he contended that no man who k, ll ll. s tid ce•yell• Gentleman would not say that he was not was . not a resident for at least twelve months should be en- Vivi . augh s ,' I do," said Mr. Wood, who sat down amidst titled to have . a vote. I e ventured to recommend a change on 't et a ta o t 'oe i o Cr.t 3 It was true that he (Mr. Ferrand ) former occasions ° in the franchise, and suggested striking off Il lsa'cie, f rlist r la t which he resided was called upon, as chair- thirty or forty different kinds of franchise. However, those ,I siiti l :ooh kli P i r e. l! " "ittee to sign his name to papers of matters were not then attended. to, but . 11 . e hoped the time was iati t o d' "ear)--but he had even declared, when at length come w h en there was a dispositien felt on both sides Ntitt etl s - Oti t - B °, that he would not offer obstruction to to make the necessary changes. . He was as anxious to create shy li e j, the franchise unless on fair and legitimate free-trade voters as the pretectionists were to make votes on kil'sse, iditi he °laject to the vote of an Hon: Gentleman, their side. But he preferred that they should be properly and e, . 0 e a at, Isa'a , hi e , -° so? Because that same gentleman honestly entitled to the franchise,. and he hoped the Govern -Itllr/51.11,e-r, Jr(. Ferrand) for three . years in ment would bring in a Bill, the necessity of which there was ample evidence of from what they had that night heard. kNi so 's q, be ettfit and . a laugh.)—and received for V s Is e 'r. get nil silver teapot—Great laughter)—for He (Mr. Hume) begged to be understood correctly. A very Nttl&t, 4,Nr. rood's) v relative had subscribed. On that powerful body went through the eountry and caused the proa v i ta e s eetnd err e ...,. , errand ) declared that if the Hon. Gentle. curing of votes to . a very large extent th in various parts of the se 's ;.,---, Ut eri s° his vote, he would object to the vote of kingdom, which . might be justified on ese grounds, that there ly . -.. 4: -. .y, d id, eWed laughter.) Now on these grounds, was a great object to be gained.—(Hear, hear.) 1 hey in latittinNtAhoußb heed object to the Hon e Gentleman; and in fringed no law, but fairly and , legitimately pursued the system of or% or' s o Wl' a t v" o e n w,.,sms_perfeetlY justified.—( Laughter. ) extending the franchise. Now that practise could be availed lte a rtf ~ 40th „ L% 1 LEy th oug ht the House should not of for a good or a bad purpose; in the present case he believed ili'lhimeal7 centerse - x urlttch of the subject, namely, the menu. it was good, and he therefore thought the best thing to be dine e 4 a r e or M anchester (as we understood) no less would be to simplify and . extend the . franchise, and then there was struck off la i RI Yo rk; • e &title th q t , ere dto the roll, the prevailing opinion would be no . complaints that this mart's vote It a, tt es sell oe , was that they were fraudulent. the roll unfairly, and that many were placed on by similar kre a ate e eriti re and assure the Hon. and Learned Member means.—( Hear, hear. ) t‘ y asais'ay Part' mistaken when he supposed that Mr. 111 r, A GLIONBY said that there was much time spent and ' 7 4 / A t e i k t ie ; Me t lit signing objections in the West Riding many valuable hours wasted in recrimination on both sides, Ist'lim44, 44 a Le , ar. ae w c ; tl c regard to freeholds, he could assure and he believed one party was equally as much to blame Q‘, Of ;14%,, L "Lernber with no less confidence, that as the other. He rose now for the purpose of saying that he ki,, , v ‘ l . th (44 by "Rue did not only not recommend the thought the only question for time House to colosider was, k itt a r r !tes s ,e Isso.Bt4this means, but through its lecturers and whether there would be an inquiry, or whether they would leave I4 lo o ' n li e e !'e e at inhad constantly informed the public that the Government to bring in the Bill. He trusted that every . i k:'eti 'kr °f Peps and were really in defiance of every Member of the House was anxious to see such a measure im kta 'Um eat sa n !sentetion. The Ar ti Corn-lavv League mediately brought in ; but he warned whoever should under- N li f or etade d theetiOned the ereation of t such - votes, but' they take that duty not to be tampering with the suffrage. They Nift k I , Vot,,, P i ° °r Man to save his money and o qualify must do much more than attempt to amend it—they must ,• 41 th e u t Meien t 1 : , a benat fide manner, namely, by extend it; and if . they did not largely do so, they would do '''Stiti a Ho use "°°u o property, and he defied any little good, and give no . satisfaction to the country. He made . ssolla of the the warmest supporter of the those remarks now, with the hope that at the proper time "a %mut t would be attended to, and he thought the observations of Y—to say that such a princi- they the Hon. Member for Durham (Mr. Bright) ought at the same time to be remembered, namely, whether they ought not, by a legislative enactment, to extend the franchise, ins:ead of giving to individuals grounds for adopting measures to do so. Mr. NEWDEGATE said he never contemplated by his motion, so extensive an inquiry as some Hon. Members thcught it would lead o. He (Mr. Newdegate) knew that a great number of electors had been dealt with, bo: h in Warwick shire and Staffordshire, but under the 'circumstances he thought it would be uselens to persevere in his motion. The motion was withdrawn accordingly. RAILWAYS. Mr. FORSTER moved for returns of all the railway schemes now before the House, together with returns of the lists of all those which had been constructed, and those in the course of construction. The motion was agreed to. *GAME-LAWS. _ _ Arr. CRAVEN BERKELEY, in moving for a select Committee, which had been asked for in a petition from Chel tenham ; begged to say that he had been accused by a Alern ber of the Anti Corn-law League, of making a diatribe against them with a view to carry his own motion for an alteration in the game-laws. Now, he must beg to assert that in moving for this Committee, he had not the slighteat 'hostile feel ing against the Anti-Corn-law League, or against any insti tution► in the country. A Committee was then appointed, con;isting of Mr. Craven Berkeley, air. Bright, Mr. New degate, Mr. T. Duncombe, Mr. Feerand, Mr. Ridley Colburn, Sir R. H. Inglis, Mr. Red head Yorke, Mr. Repton, Mr. M. Gibson, Mr. Villiers, Lord Worsley, and Mr. G. Bankes. Mr. BROTHERTON objected to the appointment of the ammittee, on the grounds of the expense. The Committee was appointed". GRAND JURIES. Sir J. GRAHAM, in reply to an Honourable Member, stated that the information received by the Government of the proceedings of the grand juries, especially that of the county of Northumberland, was at present insufficient to base any ►egis lative measures for their improvement. INDIAN ARMY. Lord C. FITZROY wished to know how the Ministry in tended to proceed will regard to giving medals to the several members of the Indian army who had been engaged in the late actions? Sir R. PEEL could not say exactly what course would be pursued. He knew that medals were in preparation for the of ficers of the army, but did not know what the medals would consist of for the other mem of the service. ADJOURNED DEBATE. The order of the day having been read, Mr. G. BANKES said that he was anxious to make a state ment to the effect, that farmers wished that there should be an immediate repeal of the corn-laws. He could not understand —if any advantage would result to Ireland from opening the ports—why the Government did not proceed to open them at once. If it would be for the great benefit of Ireland, why was not that course pursued. If the opening of tke ports was for the relief of that country as was said, why was it not done, when it was well known that every gentleman in that House was in favour of such a measure. He thought the measure should not be sanctioned by that Parliament if sanctioned at all, because it would be carried by a majority of 112, who had pledged themselves to vote a different way. If it passed that house in stead of a new one, the Noble Lord, the member for the city of London, considered that it stood more chance of passing the House of Peers. He denied that this argument was tenable, because, when the Peers looked over the votes of that House, and found that these who for five years before had voted in an exactly opposite direction to the way they had latterly done, he wished to know what influence their opinion would have on the decision of the other House of Parliament ? Surely a fresh Parliament was necessary, because the sentiments of the people might not be altered. Why was he afraid to appeal to the country ? Because the decision would be an adverse one, for, in his opinion, the House of Peers would pay more respect to a new Parliament than to the present one. Suppose, if after they had confirmed the measure of the Right Honourable Baronet, the House of Lords were to throe- it out, and that there was an appeal to the constituencies afterwards, and if they decided against the measure, what then would Honourable Gentlemen say who were now supporting the Ministry without consult. ing the feelings of their constituents? He thought, however, that a preference ought be given to the measure propounded by the Government, which he was sure would never have been in troduced by them hut for the unnatural coalition which had taken place—a coalition which he never recollected without regret. He, however, would be perfectly satisfied when the motion was carried ; but he denied that the Government had any right to suppose that the feelings of the people were changed on that question, and if the elections which had taken place were referred to, it would appear that a contrary opinion was entertained. With respect to the details of the measure he would have an opportunity of speaking hereafter, and he would not therefore make 'any further observations except as regards one part of the measure which was of a most important nature. He did hot think that he entirely under stood the provisions of that measure, because, at one time, he had been told that it would not confer a right to settlement, and at another time he had been informed that it would provide only for a claim to relief. He trusted that the Government would lay on the table, in a few days, the proposed measure in its perfected form, He would not at present go further into the question of the general policies of the Government, being aware that at the second reading of the Bill he should have a more convenient opportunity. There were at the present moment two propositions before the House, viz., that which had emanated from the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton, for a total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws, and that of the Right Hon. Baronet, which proposed their abrogation in three years time. His own opinion was, that before the question could be ultimately and properly adjusted, it would be necessary to appeal to the constituencies of the country. He had recently received two letters from his own constituents, in which they expressed their resolution to maintain protection as long as possible, and he should feel it his duty to support them in the,' resolve. Sir R. PEEL had understood from his Hon. Friend (Mr. Berates) that the Hon. Member fur Somersetshire had inti mated an opinion, that he considered the total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws would be preferable for the interests of those engaged in agriculture, than a protracted delay of three years. He ( Sir R. Peel) had assumed that it was so, en the previous night, because he had heard the statement with his own ears, and he thought it had been assented to. That state ment was now contradicted. He had made the observation on the last night of the debate—he had repeated it two nights after wards in the presence of the Hon. Member for Somersetshire, who had allowed him to speak without any correction what ever, and new he heard from his Hon Friend (Mr. Bankes) that he made a complete mistake as to the Hon. Member for Somersetshire's real opinion. A short conversational explanation here ensued between Sir R. Peel and Mr. Bankes, but was carried on in so low a tone, that its purport was not audible in the gallery. Mr. BRIGHT intended to explain a misconception which the Hon. Member fur Somersetshire had fallen into with respect to what he (Mr. Bright) had stated about the game damage on an estate near 13igswell. The estate con sisted of 3,000 acres, a great portion of which was not culti vated. The valuation was made, and had been made, for years past, only upon that portion which was ender grain cultivation. He found that the sum of 9161. had been paid in the year 1844 by the Duke of Rutland for damage done by game, and the valuation was made on no other part of the estate but on that which was under grain cultivation, consisting of about 339 acres. He would show his Hon. Friend indisputable proof of the fact, out of doors, if he still felt in c li ne d to dou b t it. Mr. HOWARD was of opinion, that the proposed measure would cause more capital to be employed, and better wages g iven, in the cultivation of land. The farme r wou ld find in the soil much better protection than any that the Legislature could give. He regretted that the Right Hon. Baronet had not listened to the advice of the Noble Lord the Member for the city of London. He (Mr. Howard) thought that the present was a very good time for the immediate repeal of the corn-laws. The Noble Lord had told them last night, that there existed no very large stook of corn in foreign ports. Would it then be wise to wait three years to give foreigners an opportunity of increasing their stocks, so as to good this country at the ex piration of the period, with their produce. It was not fair that the farmer should be suddenly called upon to com pete with a large influx of foreign corn. The Right Hon. Baronet had asked for the opinion of the country gentlemen on the subject, and he for one had given his advice. He should support the motion fir the total and immediate repeal. Sir JOHN HAN MER would support the Government measure, which provided protection for three years, rather than the motion proposed by the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton. If he could look at the question merely as an abstraction, he should be inclined to recommend the entire repeal, but the Government had to consider the general effect of this measure in all its different bearings, and it was necessary to this end that they should provide apinst every contingency. The Noble Lord opposite had expressed a desire that te settlement of this question should be definitely accomplished. He could assure the Noble Lord, that were he in office, he (Sir John Hanmer) would have still retained the same opinions as he now held, and should have voted in the same way as he now in tended to vote. He would support the measure of Govern ment as far as his humble capacity would go, whether as a landed proprietor or as a Member of Parliament. Mr. MOFFATT thought that the debate had taken a most extraordinary turn. The beads of the three contending par ties seemed to be agreed on the point, that after all immediate repeal would be for the best, but when his Hon. Friend had plainly put the question to them, all three seemed to shrink from it. The Right Hon. Baronet had set the example, and he must say, that the Noble Lord the Member for London, see:lied very eager to follow in his steps. He (Mr. Moffatt) had no explanations to make. He had always supported the relaxation of duties, and the repeal of the corn-laws. He would advise those gentlemen opposite to consider how deeply they were endangering the whole property of the country by their factious opposition. Let them look at the different corn mar kets. Let them go down to Mark-lane, and see how the un certainty occasioned by the three weeks' debate, had paralysed the corn market there. The country markets were in a similarly paralysed condition. Did they consider their tenants interest they would endeavour at once to put an end to the anxiety which agitated the agricultural districts of the country. The Honourable Gentleman concluded by urging on the prott c tionist party the necessity of succumbing to superior numbers, both fur their own interests and for the good of the country. Mr. FINCH would prefer having protection for three years, or as long as the Right Hon. Baronet would allow them to enjoy it. In the event of the measure proving injurious, three years would allow time for the Government to retrace their steps, and guard against the evil. The country had, since the year 1116, made great improvements in agriculture in some places; indeed, it had almost arrived to a state of perfection.— ( Hear, hear.) He considered it therefore very unjust in the face of this improvement for the Hon. Member of the League to describe the farmers as lazy drones, ignorant, bigoted, and indisposed to adopt any modern improvement. The Hon. Member for Durham (Mr. Bright) had stated that if her Majesty's Government would immediately repeal the corn laws the agitation of the Anti-Corn-law League should cease; and also that he would net inflict upon the House at a later period of the session another debate on the corn-laws. He Mr. Finch) considered that the agitation of the League was perfectly harmless. It had mot been attended by any tumult. At their one-sided discussions, to which the public were ad mitted by tickets only, even at Covent-garden Theatre, hail been attended with no more disturbance than when upon alter nate nights at a neighbouring theatre the public attended to see Harlequin Gulliver or Don Quixote. He was sure that the agricultural interest had no objection to their agitation, and if they proposed to call a meeting of 5,000 for the purpose of agitation, he had no doubt but that the same number might be found among the agriculturists, who would make equally as much noise and clamour as the partizans of the League.— ( Hear, hear.) As to his promise that he (Mr. Bright) would Lot inflict upon the House another debate on the corn-laws, he could tell the Hon. Member that there were at least fifty Mem bers on his side of the House who were suffering from all the agonies of suppressed speeches.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) It had been said in the course of this debate that the present was a landlord's question. He denied that it was so, but if it were so, he maintained that they had an equal right with the merchant or the manufacturer to press his grievances.—( Hear, hear.) He could but smile at the simplicity of the Right Hon. Baronet and the Noble Lord the Member for the City of London, who seemed to consider that the present would be a settlement of the question. He could assure them that the question would be again opened at the general election. The present question was treated in an entirely erroneous manner. It was a petitio przncipia—it was assumed to be a good ques tion. He believed, however, that it was not so; he believed it to be irjurious to the agricultural and manufactur ing interests of the country. He believed that it would be of no benefit to our commercial relations with America, and that it was THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MARCH 4, 1846. an act of injustice towards Canada. That country had not had sufficient time to express its opinion on the measure, not withstanding the very tedious debate, which seemed likely to eff ct a reduction in the price of opium. —(Laughter. ) He thought that when the II ght Hon. Baronet would tell the Pruotian Minister that he intended to make a large reduction in the tariff of the country, he would receive a hearty shake' of the hand from him ; but he would receive a shake of the head, when he asked about any reduction in the Prussian tariff. He did consider that the measure was hurried on with suffi cient grounds, and certainly it must be, he thought, admitted that they shinald first of all have a fiaancial statemeat. The malt-tax, it was hoped by the agricultural classes, would be abolished, but there was, he feared, little chance of such being the case. He thought it would be very proper to say, that at the conclusion of three years, that tax also should cease. There was a sum of 500,6031. rated towards the ex penses of the navy, and he could not but believe there would be also a large amount required for the army. Thera was 500,000'. voted for public works in Ireland, and a remission of xon o mp consequence se h is e aq, uoacf deficientnpet h i e s ei great o c n o ur country—(Hear, ctv o irei f yau_nu ce( h e, H a t o v oef i ta n ar g hl taxation was proposed to the amount of half a million ly mere, so that, after all, he believe.] they senuld s b ' e andi p n l ,; c t e h d e income-tax,.] by inadequate ient n ar ° )a w n i a t n h that t m t e h e e t r e t I t ' s e n s in crease of taxation. Under those circumstances he thought ' that before the measure was carried through the House, the financial statement should be made; and he also saw no rea son why the acids of the Bill should not be neutral zed by a discussion of rte sugar duties.—(Laughter. ) The Right Hon. Baronet would g i ve t h em much greater satisfaction if he had introduced a discussion of the stera; duties. There was another reason, too, for delaying the qu e estion ; it was the pre carious state in which they were with respect to America. Why he thought that free trade under the present circumstances would net be introduced by the humblest tyro in legislative knowledge, for it did appear to him that as matters at present stood, instead of free trade a war tax would be imposed; they should he feared, have to re--establish the beer tax, and they would be in a position of having broken up a great party in the country, and be obliged is the end to retrace their steps. Under all those circumstances he thought it would be expedient that some of the business connected with the financial statement should be first introduced, but he must say, in conclusion, he pre ferred the measure brought forward by the 11:ght Honourable Baronet than the total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws. Mr. WARD rose and said, that the Hon. Gentleman who had last spoken, accused them of hurrying nu that question, and that the landlords were intitled to be heard, twenty or thirty of whom had not yet spoken. Of the whole speech which he inflicted on the House, not one word but the last sentence bore on the question. It seemed that one half of the if nourable Gentleman's argument was com plaining 0: her Majesty's Ministers, and the other half was on the subject of protection. The Hon. Gentleman complains of taxes, and talks of the abolition of the malt-tax, as a boon to the farmers. But he thought that every Gentleman in that House would admit that. ninety-nine parts nut of every hundred was paid by the consumer. That is the boon which the farmer's friends propose, and in which they all concur. He had always heard of an old saying, which was " God pre serve me from my friends, for I shall preserve myself from my enemies." Such he thought may now be the feelings of the agriculturists._( Hear hear.) It was said that the present Parliament was incompetent to decide the question, but he was of opinion that what the Reform Bill did for the rotten boroughs, the present measure would do for the corn-laws. Fur six years that question had been forcing itself on the common sense of the House, and it was now to he considered what was to be done. For his own part, he had never given a vete on any question in which he so en tirely concurred. His constituency were satisfied with the measure of the Government, and were most anxicus to see it carried, and he had formed his opinion from what he had heard in that House, and he should say at once that they should take the measure of the Government, which was right per se. His Noble Friend near him said he preferred the Government measure to any other, and said that he would vote for it and for no other; but he did not see why his Noble Friend should not vote for the immediate repeal. He (Mr. Ward) had an ad vantage which few in that House had, lie did not pass the whole week there, for he mingled with men who had nothing to do with party feeling or with party politics ; and who were not interested with reg a r d to the measure, an d w h o diff ere d with him on the question of protection. They were all rejoicing when they heard of the large majority by which the question was decided, for they considered it would have the effect of putting an end to the present uncertainty which was felt by the country—( Hear, hear)—for they were looking forward to th e ti me w h en t h ey could enter into fresh arrangements with their landlords. Now he stated distinctly that that was the general feeling in the country amongst men who did not pass their Saturday's and Sunday's at clubs and other places of resort. Th ere were many Members of that House whose opinions had undergone a change within a very short time, for they said in resisting the present motion, their reason for opposing it was for fear the measure of the Government would be endangered. There was a great change now come over them from that which they felt when they said it was better to have at Once the repeal of the corn-laws, than to have it hanging over them fur three years, but they had such short memories that they did not re collect the statements, which they expressed a f ew d ays ago . Every man among them (the protectionists) then said, that if the repeal was to take place, it would be better it should be immediate. If they could but consult their underatanding— if they could but get rid of those odious party feelings, and look at the question in a plain nnbaissed point of view— ( Hear, hear)—there was doubt that such changes as he had alluded to would not have so often taken place. If the result should prove that they were right, and that the protectionists were wrong, in all their future arrangements with their tenants their own speeches would be quoted against them. They would justly say," You told us that we were all destroyed, and that we had not a chance of competing with the Pole or Russian, and that English capital and English science would go for nothing in the race, h ow th en can you expect us to enter into competition where the race is decided before it is run ?" This would be their language, and it would be quite natural. For himself he believed that the tenant farmers were rejoiced at the decision which had ben arrived at, and wished the question decided in order to be able to meet them ( the landlords) on fair and rational terms.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") If he considered that by supporting the measure of his Honourable Friend he would risk the measure of the Government, he would vote against it --(Hear, hear from the protectionists.) Yes, he considered the measure of the Government as a great boon conferred upon the country, but at the same time he thought it would further its own object better by being immediate than gradual. —( Hear, hear.) Mr. LIDDELL could not possibly receive the opinions of the Honourable Member who had just sat down without con siderable hesitation, because they were preconceived opinions, which the Honourable Member had ever held, and to which he was clearly prejudiced. The question for the House to consider was, whether they were prepared to accept the modified corn law, or whether they should cons ent t o an i mme di a t e repeal. The lion. Gentleman had quoted f rom some papers which, he said, he had received from a mast respectable firm of mer chants ; but were that Hon. Gentleman in the House a few hours earlier, he would have heard a question put by the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton to the Vice-President of the Board of Trade, as to whether wheat had not been thrown into the Thames because of the high rate of duty it had placed on it.— ( Hear, hear. ) Mr. PETER BORTHWICK, having heard many com plaints made as to the length to which the debate had run, rose to ask the House, as also h er M a j esty ' s Mi n i sters , to whom the country was indebted for the present protracted discussion ?—( Hear, hear.) In the month of October, 1845, they had been told that the country was quiet, the Exchequer overflowing, trade prosperous, and labour employed ; in fact, in no respect in which the country could be regarded did it not present a most satisfactory appearance.—(Hear, hear. ) But in that month a certain organ of public information communicated the startling intelligence that it was the intention of her Majesty's Government in the second week in January of the present year to propose an im mediate and total repeal of the corn-laws. He begged to ask every Gentleman acquainted with the commerce in the coon. try, whether, from that moment, the state of commerce in England had not been utterly paralyzed?--(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) He further asked, whether lion. Gentleman did not believe that, if her Majesty's Government, instead of verifying, had falsified that statement, and come d , wn to the House with some practical measure to meet the famine pre valent in Ireland, whether the commercial condition of the country would not be as prosperous in March, 1846, as it was in October, 1845? He put the question, and if it could not be answered by Hon. Gentlemen on the Treasury benches, he g would and ask, were they— w ho were Iu measures lose of innovatio n , o f a revo l ut i onary blame for protra c ti ng th e di scuss i on ? engaged nature—were d in pu resisting i t th t e oy theto —( Loud cries of " Hear, hear," from the protectionists. ) They must show him that land in England was more lightly burdened than land in any other country, before he could agree in the principles of free trade. It was said - by the Right Hon Baronet, that if the ports were opened to relieve the distress of the moment, who could again close them? He would tether be convinced by the experience of the opening of the ports of the necessity of free trade, than by the three year's experi ence of the Right Hon. Baronet, upon which he came to the resolution of making so great a change as he had done by the present measure. One other word upon the question, why some Hon. Members on that side of the House cheered the idea of immediate repeal in preferenee to a repeal at the end of three years. If they had had no choice between the one and the other, then he certainly would prefer immediate repeal, but they had a choice. The Right Hon. Baronet himself gave them three years, and who could calculate the changes that might arise before that period Ead expired ?—(Cheers.) Mr. H UME said he was very much surprised that any Hon. Member in that House should have clec!ared his intention of confining himself to the question before the House, when to the very last paragraph of his speech he had never once re ferred to the matter before them. His Hon. Friend the Mem ber for Durham had congratulated the House that protection was dead and buried, but he had not anticipated that protec tion would have arisen in the person of the Hon. Member for Evesham, like a giant refreshed.---(Laughter.) The lion. Member had produced strong allegations from the writings of political economists, but he said not one of them had referred to the policy of the Right Hon. Baronet. How the deuce could they ? The Right lion. Baronet had come forward in these latter days, very much to his own honour, and very much to his (Mr. Hume's) satisfaction—(Laughter) —with measures hav ing a tendency towards free trade. Protection, which was a t best a system of robbery, would never have been passed but for this reason. The House of Commons had been alto ge th er composed of landed proprietors, and until a year ago no in ky)! a r. ax for their . own exclusive divieual would sit in the House who had not a qualification in a land,bied theman d o therefor e take outit owasof tbteheyp pocketsa passed eodf others t be r s measure fo r t bwhich purposeen • of putting into their own. The question t now was, whether it Hume) denied that justice; d t e o ge r e e e m o o f v ;ustie e . If that w be a u s e j fi u t st up to on all a o l w i o o t n b e er c s l ? ass n t e o n the rest of the community, and the whole object of the Right he contended that the landed interest had t.h.is plundered injustice, and t H o o g n i . ve S t a o ro a n l e i t e 's las m ses eas a u o re eq w u ls mea sure were passed, the artisans of England, of France, of Bel gium, and of Holland, would be placed on manon the sa me f oot i ng with regard to food, and therefore the Englishs ufactuaer would nut suffer as heretofore from the inequality of co mpet i t i on. They had heard in that House of nothing but toe landed i n t e r es t s , as if they alone combined every interest in the country. H on. Members very well knew that they were only a fractional part— one-fifth or one-sixth of the whole community. Let them take the Parliamentary return to which an Honourable Mem ber referred last night. That Honourable Member stated this important fact, that the whole population employed in agricul ture were only some eight per cent. But they were told this was an unfair statement. Let them look at the income-tax. It appeared that the whole income-tax of 5 , 0 00,0001. had been levied upon 0 00,000,0000'. of property, but only 32,000,000/. out of this sum was returned for the whole property of England. ( Hear.) And yet it was asked that every other class in the coun try should contribute to this monstrous system o f p ro t ect i on . He had been led a w ay from the question before this House by this incident, but he would now apply himself to it, and that question was, how he should vote upon the pr esen t occas i on . He looked upon th e m e a sure of the Right lion. Baro ne t a s a very important and comprehensive one, and much more to the purpose than he could have expected or anticipated, a n d therefore he would not run the risk of losin g it by adopting any other course, and therefore he would vote for it now, and then see how much more could be got afterwards.--( Cheers. ) Lord GEORGE BENTINCK said that the Honourable Member hail called the agricultural Members a s elfi s h party, and that they were not content with a fair share of the Government of the country ; but he begged to te ll t h e Hoe. Member that if that party had a fair share of the Government of the country, there could be little doubt as to the mode in which the present measure would be dealt with.-( Hear, hear.) He thought that the landed interest had more than a fair share of the public burdens. But with respect to the motion now before the House, he begged to say he thought his Honourable Friend had misappreheseled what hail been said upon it by the agricultural Members. He could 'assure the Hon. Mee,ber that there were many Members on this side the House who would prefer a total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws to having that measure hanging over them for three years.-( Hear, hear. ) It was a saying of Napoleon that the British troops knew not when they were beaten ; and he ( Lord G. Berrinek) begged to tell the House that his party would now stand in the same position, and that if they were beaten they would retreat and rally their forces ( Cheers)-and keep the question before the country, and show the people the manner in which some Hon. Members had kept the pledges they had made at the hustings.-( Cheers.) They would de this until they would at length compel her Majesty's Government to quit office, and go again be fore her Majesty's people-( Cheers)-and restore things once more to what they were before.-( Cries of " Hear, hear.") The average rice of corn at Dantzic was 25a. 4d. per quarter. He would take all expenses of freight, &c., to the port of Lon don to be about 6s , and that would give a price of 31s. 4d., the price at which corn could be sold here. The price during the is hole period of five years, from 1e33 to 1837, averaged 235. ; and taking five other years, from 1823 to 18 1 7, the average price was 275. Id. Other ports frost which returns had been givers, via., 13s'adenburg and Pornsrania, and at which the price was 6d. higher than at Danteic, and yet the corn could be bought for a very low price in the port of London. He had other communications, one of which was from a constituent of the Hon. Member fur West Riding. The name of his corre spondent was Mr. Taylor, a gentleman who had been for 40 years engaged in the corn trade. That gentleman said that he had bought bea is in liamburgh at from 10s. ,o I Is. per quarter, and wheat from 18s. to - 23 a. per queries. The gentleman commenced his letter by stating that he had seen what he (Lord Bentitick ) had said on the subject, and in 'lsis opinion it was perfectly correct. The difference of the duty now payable by law, aid the duty proposed to he allowed would be pocketed by the holder of corn and by the importers. lie had another statement of prices front another gentleman also forty years in the trade. lie said that in 1826, he pur chased large quantities of wheat-in fact to the amount of several thousand quarters, and though the wheat was as fine as could be grown, the price varied from 183. to 21s. The freight of that wheat to the port of London would be 33. 6,1. per quarter, making a cost of 245. 6,1., se that it would be clear to the farmers of England at what price foreign wheat could be brought into competition with their home . produce. The last letter, to which he should call the attention of the House, was from a Norfolk farmer, and it related to the price of corn during the very last year. He stated that he had purchased 807 qrs. of wheat in June last at this. 4d., and he had the offer of 3,000 qa. more at the same price. lhe expense of freight to the port of London, including lighterage, cartage, &e., was 6s. per qr. more ; 6s. and 265. 41 made 325. 41, and that was the price at which, on die tat of Julie last, what weighing 62165. per bushel was imported into London. If gentlemen would take the trouble to add the present du'y of 17s. to the cost of corn in Mark lane, they would find that the im porters could afford to pay 17s. per quarter duty, and have clearly 14s. profit.-(" Oh, oh," from the Opposition. ) Was that not a strong proof that the measure going to be in troduced by Ministers was injurious? He had promised not to detain the House, and he was not going to do so, but he would advert to the distinction drawn by a fellow-labourer of his who was engaged with him in a committee on the game. laws. That lion. Member thought fit to take a little diversion in game, and he had heard evidence given as to the extent of damage done to the Dake of Rutland. One of the principal witnesses on the question was a Quaker.--( Hear, bear, and laughter. ) That witness carried his aversion to bloodshed further than the gentlemen of Reading, who would not give to the British army the thanks due to their service. He had such an aversion of bloodshed, that he was astonished how the Duke of Rutland could take any delight its the killing pheasants and partridges.-(Laughter.) He had such pre judices on this question relating to the damage done by the game, that he went the length of stating that the damage in one instance on meadow lan I was at the rate of 30s. per acre. Now he (Lord G. Bentinck) ascertained that the rent of the land referred to was only 255. an acre. This argument respecting the damage of game had bee n se t f or th as an argu ment in favour of free trade, and it was stated that the damage done to the (aria in question was 9541. in 1833 ; and 951/. in 1844 ; but on this subject he had the testimony of his Noble Friends behind hiin, the sons of the Duke of Rut land, who stated that a new valuer hail made an estimate of the damage at between 200'. to 3001. He (Lord G. tientinck) trusted therefore he had answered the observationa on this point made by the Hon. Member fur Durham. Mr. COBDEN rose and said, that. the one part of the speech of the Noble Lord who had just sat down related to how cheaply corn could be imported into the country, and the other part had reference to the opinions of the farmers in relation to immediate or delayed repeal. lie should not refer to the first part of the speech, further than to repeat what he had said before on this question, relating to the price of food, a matter of great import ance to the people of this country. The .Noble Lord has said that grain could be supplied at 31s. 2d. per quarter; that is that wheat of good quality could be had in large quantities at this price.-( Hear, hear. )-Indeed, but that was nothing to what the Hon. Member for Sunderland had stated, for he said that he could supply wheat from foreign countries at 255. per quarter. -(Hear, hear.) If that were so, he (Mr. Cobden) was sure there was not a navigator in the country that would not buy from that Hun. Member.- (Laughter and cheers.) Now, the question before the House was a very narrow one, and he would not deviate from the strict line of the question -it was, whether it was better that the repeal of the cornelasys should be immediate, or be abolished three years hence. This was the question to be con sidered. He must say that the motion of the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton ( Mr. Villiers) was unfortunately brought forward at the present moment, but that Hon. Gentleman had no other course left him. The forms of the House left him no other alternative, he must either bring forward his motion in that manner or not at all.---( Hear, hear.) But Isis Hon. Friend had not considered the temper of the House in bringing forward his motion, when he heard lion. Members below the eangway state that they would prefer an immediate settlement of the question to the proposition of the Right Hon. Baronet. -( Hear, hear.) Nor had ( Mr. Cobden) heard any argu ments advanced against the immediate repeal, either from states :nen, politicians, or farmers' friend,: ; but on the contrary he heard the lion. Member for Somersetshire, (Mr. Miles) make the distinct assertion, in the name of the argricultural party, in which he was cheered by the gentlemen behind him, that of the two propositions he would prefer the immediate re peal. He said, if the question of delayed repeal or immediate repeal was proposed to the farmers, that they would declare for the repeal being immediate-( Hear, hear. ) The Duke of Richmond said the same in another place Not one man said it would be better to delay the settlem not of the question. And he (Mr. Cobden) defied any gentleman on the opposite side of he house to say that the farmers would prefer the delay to an mtnediate refu , al.-(llear, hear.) fhey, ](the protec tionists) at their meetings, had made a parade of land agents, representing them as farmers, and getting them to make speeches on behalf of protection. - (Cries of " No no")-he said yes, for he knew that at all those meetings land agents and auctioneers were brought fore ward to speak on behalf of the farming interest. He admitted that they might be holders of land, but from their professions, they had an interest in the delay and uncertinty that arose from the present system. He challenged any Hon. Gentleman to say that the farmers preferred a delay of three years to an immediate repeal. A reference had been made to the decision that was likely to arise from a division in another place, con trary to the conclusion at which that House was likely to ar rive. lie sould say that in his opinion, a great difference had been made and that a great mistake had occurred in the mak ing of the motion. Had he been consulted open the matter, he should have said the motion itself was unwise, and that it would have been better to have left the matter in the hands of the Government, for he would not hesitate to say that the opinion which had b'en expressed respecting the 15th clause was altogether a mistaken one, and that if the conclusion at w hich the Hon. Member had arrived was correct, the public opinion was a nullity, and that the exertions of Hon. Members were altogether set aside. He wished the minds of lion. Members should be disabused of the opinion that public feeling was justified on this point. The sympathy of the people was not destroyed, and he begged to give this warning to the Members of the Govern ment, in order to show them that they hail another difficulty to contend with which they had not possibly contemplated.- ( Cheers.) lie would take example by the Right lion. Baronet, and assert that it would be necessary to evince their opinions by their voted, - and he would assure lion. Gentlemen that the Anti-Corn-law League would not gainsay any one of their posi tions. He would say there what he had often said elsewhere, that the interest on this question was not in the slightest de gree diminished. They were ready to take 17s. 6d., with the full expectation that they would obtain the other half crown by an appeal to the House. He would say this, that there had been a grievous misrepresentation of the line of conduct which he had pursued, and he thought that a better course might have been pursued before the House. The main principle appeared to be, that in the question before the House, it was impossible to allay the agitation that had been excited throughout the coun try. He believed that the endeavour which had lately been made to support the corn-laws had been based upon the supposition that the corn-laws would cease in two-and.a-half to three years:. But he thought they were mistaken on this point, anti had treated the Hon. Member for Durham (Mr Bright) with no little discourtesy, and had treated his suggestions with con tempt.-( Cheers.) An endeavour had been made to alter the coarse which had been devised, but he thought the pro ceeding of his Hon. Friend highly injudicious, and he trusted therefore the house would take into serious consideration the circumstances which he had laid before them, and that they would adopt such measures as would be advantageous to them selves and to the country. If they were to appeal to thecountry, they would find that the people were eagerly anxious to pass the measure, although they were quite ready to forego I any claims that might arise from the passing of it. Well, now, he saw very great danger to the measure of the Right Hon. Baronet in that step-( Hear, hear)-because the Right Hon. Baronet had very properly stated, that we should go on from day to day with the question until it was disposed of.-_( Hear, hear.) But he could apprehend the chance of some little delay in another place. lie could foresee the chance of the Government being out of office before this measure passed through the other House.-(Protectionist cheers.) He did not know whether the tenure of office of the present :Ministers was worth six weeks or two months' purchase.-( Loud laughter and cheers from the protectionists.) But he did not see very great wisdom- ( Opposition cheers)- or any great policy in the course by which they proposed to turn out the Government of the Right Honourable Gen tleman.-(Continued cheering.) But that was their (the protectionists') business.-( Cheers.) His business there was to keep this question completely out of their power, and completely out of the reach of their touch.-(hear, hear. ) Now he would say that this question with the country was safe.-( Cheers.) Why, they were united on the principle of total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws, and the e was no power on earth that could prevent the carrying out of the abolition of the corn-laws.-(Cheers.) And it was, therefore, because he foresaw dangers-because he foresaw the course of vexatious policy to;vards the present Ministers-a policy which he would not bind himself to follow-(Cheers)-because he saw in those insidious amendments and proposals, as well as the amendments that were spoken of in another place, dangers and pit-falls to this measure. It was therefore, and therefore alone, that he was anxious that they should preserve themselves intact with the country-( Hear, hear)._ and Hon. Members on his side of the House would not oppose the measures of the Right Hon. Baronet if they were even ten times stronger than they were...-(Cheers.) Now, after the division on this question, I will give as cordial a support to the measure of the Government as any gentleman in this House.- ( Hear, hear. ) And now I ask Hon. Gentlemen opposite those who have taken an enlightened view of the necessities of the country, arid have agreed-some, I have no doubt, in ep position to their own feelings-(Hear, h ear )- to g i ve their support to the measure of the Government, when they see that in the free trade party there is no disposition to oppose, but every disposition to aid them. I hope that we shall unite here cordially and if there is a dissolution, I hope that when we go to the ceuntry, if there must be a dissolution, that we shall go united -( Hear, hear)-add that they would see that their motion for immediate repeal, instead of having at all tended to diminish the acrimony and the intensity of Hon. Gentlemen opposite, it would be rather increased. He hoped that if a dissolution must come, Hon. Gentlemen who had come forward in sup port of the measure of the Government, would then go to gether as a united body.-( Cheers. ) And he sincerely hoped and trusted that every ventage of the late Tory and Whig parties would be thrown aide until this question was fairly disposed of in the country. Now, he did not intend to go nto an argument, and show why the farmers would be benefited by having an immediate repeal. His opinions were bsfore the country. lie thought that those opinions had been pretty well read and canvassed, and he did not intend to repeat what he had already said to them. Ile sincerely hoped, after this question had been merely divided on, that they would see that this measure was inevitable. He also hoped that in another place they would see that this measure was inevitable. He did not despair, notwithstanding all this irritation and excitement, when they found that the farmers would prefer immediate and total repeal— ( Hear, hear)—arid that this measure was disposed of by that House. He did not despair that. before the end of this session the principle of an immediate repeal of the corn-laws would be established by Act of Parliament.—( Cheers.) And he did think if Hon. Gen tlemen would for a moment reflect upon what they were going to encounter in the promoting, and compelling, and coun tenancing this agitation—if they would but candidly and cooly consider what their position was in undertaking this conflict, why, he, as one of the members of the League, should really be almost ashamed to enter the field of battle under such lead. ers.—(Cheers.) They were broken up, and dispersed, and without leaders—in fact, he really believed that the ghost of the League would be more powerful than the flesh and blood of the members of th it party. —( Loud 'use-liter. ) But he hoped that gentlemen would take a cooler view of the else ; and he did hope in another place, where there was s much hope that all the areuments that they had used, would be very well ap plied by Noble Lords who belonged to the agricultural interest. lie hoped that the Lords would take his advice.—(Laughter from the protectionists.) Yes— (Opposition cheers)—he would undertake to say, if they would, in their place, instead of taking their (the protectionists') advice, which, if it were Parliamentary, he should almost say was insane—( Laughter) —th e y would take his, and, instead or throwing out the measure if they would graciously say, " the country seems to prefer rep-al, and the farmers seem to prefer immediate repeal.— ( leer, hear. ) And we will net only pass this measure, but we will make the measure our own."—(Cheers. ) Then would the House of Lords be restored to its pristine respect and authority—(Laughter from the protectionists)—and, as an in dividual, lie at once said, we might thank Heaven that there was still a House of Lords.—(Loud cheers.) Lord Marion, Sir Triosres ACLA ND, and several other Members, rote together, at the conclusion of the lion. Mem ber's speech, to address the House, but there being loud cries for Sir Thomas Acland, Sir THOMAS DYKE ACLA.ND accordingly pro • ceeded to address the House, in oppositi o n to the amendment, and in favour of the elinisterial measure. He thought that the Anti-Corn. law League having so nearly attained the object for which they had been striving should not now endanger the safety of the present meaeure in order to satisfy their consciences, or because they might appear consis tent, having always agitated for a total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws. He preferred the proposal of her Majesty's Government to an immediate repeal, because les thought that the immediate abolition of those laws would be like going down a steep incline instead of a moderate descent. He considered that when the proposed measure was once passed it would be as difficult to repeal it again as it would be to turn the course of a mighty stream back to its fountain.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) It might be true that the Right Hon. Baronet was conferring a great advantage an the country, and they could not say that his measures would be attended with very great success; and if so, he for one thought that the Right Hon. Baronet would have the benefit of such success, but if it should turn out otherwise, as he very much feared it would, why, then the re sponsibility should rest with him, and, for his part, he would not he answerable for any portion of it.—(Cheers.) Mr. THOMAS DU N COM BE rose and said that he would give an unqualified and consistent support to the measure proposed by her Majesty's Ministers, and his vote should be a practical, and not a popular one ; and in op posing his Hon. Friend the Member for Wolverhampton, it was more his duty than his pleasure to do so. Wishing to see the corn-laws repealed, he felt calks' on to give his vote in favour of the Government measure ; for they had required of the Government to stand by ther plans ; and if he now de serted them they would have a right to say that you left us on the three years' question for that of an immediate and total repeal of the corn-laws, and we now in return will not stand by you as ith regard to the settlement you propose, respecting the manufac ing districts. Under those circumstances, he said, he felt it his duty to vote with the Right Hon. Baronet, and in doing so he begged to state that long before the Anti-Corn-law League was in existence he voted far a repeal of those laws. He looked on his vote as a practical one, and did not give it with a party view. Many of the Members who had expressed a wish fer au immediate repeal, bed now changed their minds and said they were not prepared for an instant alteration of the kind; for now, when they were put to the test, they would go out into the lobby with the Right Hon. Baronet, and he very much questioned whether the Right Hon. Gentleman was perfectly safe in such company.—(Cheers and laughter). He considered that the motion of the Hon. Member for Wol verhampton was brought forward from a conscientious mo tive, as he had pledged himself to the Anti-Corn-law League to bring forward the question for a total repeal ; and although his vote may Ise considered by the League as unpopular, yet he should give it in favour of the Government measure. The Earl of MARCH then rose and said that it had been remarked by the Hon. Gentleman opposite that the Govern ment were not safe in going into the lobby with his (the Earl March's) friends, but he confessed he was at a loss to know where they would be perfectly safe.—(Cheers and laughter.) The Hon. Gentleman tells them that the Right Hon. Baronet was not safe at his side of the House, and he thought a circum stance had taken place which would make the Right Hon. Baronet the S. cretary for the Home Department not par ticularly safe on that question.—( Great cheers and laughter.) But he (the Earl of March) thought that the Governm nt might go out into the lobby of the House without meeting with any particular inconvenience.—( Laughter.) He would not trouble the House with any further observations, but for a remark which had fallen from the lion. Member for Stockport. He states that a noble relative of his had expressed a wish to vote for an immediate repeal of the corn-laws, which state ment he begged leave distinctly to contradict. His noble rela tive stated, teat supposing it was inevitable that the measure of her Majesty's Government were to be carried, and perma nently adopted, his Noble Friend said that he would prefer the total and immediate repeal to the repeal in three years time.— ( Loud cheers from the tree-traders ) That was what his noble relative stated, that the total and immediate repeal would be better than the repeal in three years, supposing the measure were to pass permanently into a law—(Cheers.) He should maintain that it was incumbent on the Government of the country, and the ministry, brought forward as they were by a majority of 91 in favour of protection of industry ; that before they brought forward such a measure as the present, they should in common justice and honesty appeal to the people of tee country—( Hear, hear. ) Mr. HUDSON said that reference having been made to him, he would trouble the Howe for only a very few moments. The lion. Member for Stockport had strangely misrepresented what had fallen from him (Mr. Hudson) on a former overiing. On that occasion he stated most distinctly that in his belief the probable average of the price of wheat would be from 35'. to 40s. per quarter. The Hon. Member hail threatened them with the ghost of the Anti-Corn-law League. Now h e h a d the honour of meeting the Anti-Corn-late League in Sunder land, mei he believed he had routed them there.—( Protectionist cheers.) He then wished to warn that body that there was nothing which the people felt more jealous of than the pro ceedings of that body, acting as it was in the endeavour to manufacture voters, and practising intimidation and deception. lie felt it his duty to state that when the question came to the vote, he would be with the Right Hon. Baronet. lie did not know where the Hon. Member for Stockport spent his Sun days, whether with market gardeners or others, gleaning his information, but he (Mr. Hudson) had formed his views from the experience of men well acquainted with the subject. Now be thought the three years would give the farmers time to sew their land, and make such improvements as would enable them to meet the competition of the continental produce. Indeed he hoped the Right Hon. Baronet's measure would be successful. lie also hoped that if carried, the farmers, who were preyed to be injured by the change, will have some compensation. For this reason he would give his support to the measure for the three years. Lord WORSLEY rose, but from the noise which prevailed in the House he was !imperfectly heard ; he was understood to say that the farmers were most anxious that a settlement should take place upon the question, and that an immediate repeal should take place. Colonel SIBTHORP and Mr. VILLIERS rose together, but the latter gave way at the call of the House. The Hon. Gentleman said that he would not presume to trespass on the time of the lieu e, having occupied so large a portion of it on a previous evening, were it not that he had one or two obser vations to offer, and be thought that the Hon. Member opposite was about replying, previous to a division.—( Hear, hear.) lie wished to take this opportunity to deny emphatically that the tenant-farmers were in favour of immediate repeal. He con sidered that they ought to restore the franchise to Sudbury, in order that the two rejected Members of the Government might have seats in that House—( Roars of laughter) —or, in the event of their rejecting his proposition, they might adopt the practice which existed in France, of electing certain elembersof the Government w i t h ou t a ny appeal to the c onstituent Sud bury body.—( Hear, hear.) At any rate he could on l y say that for the e o r d t e h s the French t F n r t e e n . _ eh ( L be the only re f t u g a e t r e . e dto him to )Howevflowerer, s3asutgemhtes me he cause, like the their constituents had acted t hey pr h operly ad in acted rejecting fraudu them, lentlyto be-Ministers, their constituents. Mr. WAKLEY and Mr. NEWDEGATE rose together amidst Loud cries of " Withdraw," and " Divide," bat the latter gave way to the Hon. Member for Finsbury, who pro ceeded to say that, he regretted exceedingly to find that the lion. Member for Wolverhampton, intended to persist in dividing the House on his motion.—( Hear, hear.) However, much he might approve of his intention, and however lightly he might commend his motives, he could not conceive that a more inexpedient course than this could be pursued by any Member who was friendly to the prepositions of the Honourable Gentleman. lie believed, however, that the Hon. Member persisted in his intentions in conformity with a pledge which he had given elsewhere, and consequently that he did not feel at liberty to abandon the course which he had hitherto pursued. He deemed this, however, most inexpedient, becanse out of doors it must cause an impression that those who were favouratile to the measure of the Government, had a divided opinion on this great question, but in reality there was no division, and he knew, that after a short deliberation those who would now vote with the Hon. Member would be, if they were not now, determined advocates of the measure proposed by her Majesty's Government.—(Dear,) Hon. Gentlemen might consider that a contrary opinion was entertained, but he knew from the attention which he had given to the subject that they were wrong, and that the people were dissatisfied with them. The Noble Lord had claimed the election of Westminster as a proof of public opinion on this subject. Why there were two candidates for Westminster, one of them had been long in favour of the repeal of the corn-laws, the other had but lately got some new light on the question.—( Laughter.) Did they choose the one who had adopted what might be deemed a transitory opinion ? or did they elect the one who had for years advocated the principle of a total abolition of the corn-laws ? They elected the latter—why then claim this election. The Whigs had no right to claim it as decisive in favour of their views, for only two years since Westminster had three candidates. The Hon. and Gallant Member who had been lately chosen, was one of the three, and the Whig, Tory, or Radical might be said to be represented in one or other of the candidates. The electors chose the Radical then, and Hon. Gentlemen might be very sure that Radicalism was in the ascendant since. He re gretted that this motion had been brought forward chiefly because it might lead those out of doors to suppose that there was a division on the subject of this great measure. He could state from his intercourse with the middle and the working classes that the impression was almost universally abroad that the Right lion. Baronet had done all he could do on this sub ject. Everybody was full of this exclamation, and . they added that when they reflected on the position in which the Right Hon. Baronet was placed, they were of opinion that he could not do more than he had already dine, and that they owed him a debt of gratitude for it. An Hon. Gentleman opposite said they must go to the country. Another lion. Gentleman said t they must go to the p eo pl e . B u t th ey k no w very well know what would not go to th e p eop l e . If th e y r e a lly wished to to the what was the opini o n o f t h e people, let them 1e elections—let the m look to the show of hands.— (L o hands. —(Laughter from the people, the protectionist p a rty.) They spoke of going ins t r o ead of gong why, the people had hands as well as they. hadthe ell' f the food at their command, but the y would not appeal to to the people, they went to those who s ing o c lasses, who were obliged to create tthl'eat poorfood. ign What 9rant could be more unjust than this? If the House was desirous of deferring this diseussioo to r another night he would have no objection, though he was most unwilling that it should be put forward any longer, because up to this time all the arguments at the ether side had stibstan tially proved the case of those at this side.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. NEWDEGATE said that the Hon. Member for Lin ( con had given his opinion that the tenant-farmers of this coun try were in favour of total repeal. He had had the pleasure of meeting many intelligent farmers 'a ithin an hour before he entered that House. H e a d mitted that many of them felt bitter disappointment at the sudden and unaccountable change which they witnessed in the feeling of those whom they trusted, and that. under the influence of such feelings, such an expression might have escaped them ; but he denied that the opinions of the tenant-farmers in this country were in favour of total and immediate repeal, as mere beneficial to their interests. With reference to what had been said by the Hon. Member for Finsbury, be would confirm what that Ilon. Member had said, that there was a democratic and radical feeling arising in this country.—( Hear, hear. ) Mr. VILLIERS said that the Hon. Member for Warw;ek shire had denied what had been positively asserted on that side of the House, and told them what had passed between himself and his tenants —(Mr. Newdegate, " Oh, no.") Me would prove that the principle of protection had nothing to do with the interests of the tenant fernier, and they did not at a ll t rou bl e themselves a b ou t i t. The Hon. Memtur for Finsbury could certainly not teach him what protection was, for he had advised the House to take :he sense of the country by a show of hands, as did also the lion. Member for Aberdeen. Oil the policy of bringing forward this motion at the present time he Inuit exercise his own judgment. Ever since he had been in the practice of submitting this proposition to Parlia ment, he had been told he was in the wrong in the course he took, but judging of the events of the present session, it wood seem as if he had taken the right course. He would say nothing against Honourable Metul.ers on this side of the Howe supporting the measure of the Govern. ment iu preference to the amendment, and he did not think that the Hon. Member for Finsbury would loose arty popu larity by the course he intimated he should take. Tn ere was no populari yto be gained whichever side he might vote on, as far as the two propositions before the House was concerned. He was astonished at the Hon. Member for Lynn saying he would not support the amendment, as he had told them (the free trailers), they dare not bring it forward against the Government measure, lest they (the protectionists) should support it. Now, it seemed the delay was considered valuable, as it would enable them to have an election before free trade could come into operation, and that they might succeed in defeating it. They need not calculate on that, as it was in vain for them to expect the restoration of the present system of protection if once the Government measure was carried The fanners were indifferent to it, as a proof of which, he would refer to the fact, that on Saturday last, when the account of the division was sent to the country, the farmers in various places where the news was carried did not seem to care a straw about it. The Hon. Member, haviiig referred to some other points, referred to by previous speakers, concluded by pressing his amendment on the House. The gallery was then cleared for a division. On our re-admission into the gallery there appeared— For the Amendment 7B Against it 265 Majority 'flat COAL- W IPPE RS' ACT. On the motion of Sir GEORGE CLERK, leave was ob tained to introduce the Bill to continue and amend the Coal. whippers' Act. Captain LAYARD aslied if the Government was prepared to lay upon the table of the House any returns of the number of suicides committed to the end of the year 1845? Mr. SIDNEY HERBER is said that as there was no dis ti,iet register of them there would be some difficulty in obtain ing, the returns alluded to. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at half -past One o'clock. PAR,LIAM EN TAlt, Y DIVISIONS. (From the Votes and Proceedings of . the House of Commons.) TUESDAY, MARCH 3. CUSTO3IS AND CORN IMPORTATION. (IN TIIE COMMITTEE.) Motion made, and Question proposed, " That, in lied of the Duties now payable on the importation of Corn, Grain, Meal, or Flour, there shall be paid, until the Ist dad• of February, 1849, the following Duties :"—Amendment proposed, to leave out the words "In lieu of" in order to insert the words " all Duties on imported Corn do now cease and determine," instead thereof:—Question it " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question :" Time Committee divided : MAJORITY—AYES, 265. :lcland, Sir T. Drummond, H. Lygon, Gen. Adana, T. D. Duckworth, Sir J. Macaulay, T. B. A'Court, Captain Duke, Sir J. Mackenzie, T. Acton, Colonel Duticombe, T. Mackenzie, W. F. Athierley, C. /1. B uncombe, A. 31 Geachy, F. A. Aglionby, 11. A. Du Pre, C G Mahon, Viscount Alford, Viscount Egerton, Sir P. Mangles, R. D. Allix, J. P. Egerton, Lord F. Manners, Lord C. Antrobus, Edmund Elli ce, E dward anners,;Lord J. Arbutlimott, Hugh Emlyn, Viscount March, Earl of. Archbold, Robert Entwisle, W. Martin, C. W. Astell, William - - Feilden, William Martin, T. B. Austen, Colonel Ferguson, Sir R. Masterman, John Bagge, William Ferranti, W. 13. Mettle, Fox . Bagot, William Filmer, Sir E. Miblmay, 11. St.Johu Bailey, Joseph, jun. Finch, G Mimes, R. M. Baillie, Colonel Fitzmaurice, C. Morgan, 0. 'Utile, 11. J Fitzroy, Henry Napier, Sir Charles Bailie, Walter Fleetwood, Sir P. Neville, Ralph llaiikes,iGeorge Flower, Sir J. Newdegate, N. Barkly, Henry Forster, 3lattliew Norreys, Sir D. Baring, F. T. Fox, S. L. O'Brien, A. S. Baring, Thomas Fuller, A. E. Packe, C. W. Baring, W. B. Gardner, J. D. Palmer, R. Barnard, E. G. Gaskell, J. M. Palmer, G. Barrington, Viscount Gladstone, J. N. Palmerston, Via, Bateson, Thomas Wynne, Sir S. Patten, J. W. Beckett, William Gordon, Hon. Capt. Peel, Sir Robert Bell, Matthew Gore, Montague Peel, Jonathan Benbow, Joint Gore, Robert Pennant, Colonel 13einett, John Goring, C. Philips, G. It. Bonet, Philip Goulburn, henry Polhill, Frederick Bentinck, Lord G. Graham, Sir J. Pussy, P. Berestord, Major Granby, Marqule of Rashleigh, W. Bernal, Ralph Grey, Sir G. Reid, Sir John Bodkin, W. 11. Grogan, E. Reid Colonel Bolder°, 11. G. Hale, R. B. Repton, G. W. Borthwick, Peter Raiford, Sir 11. Bart. Rolleston,:Colone/ 1:4dIleld, Beriall Hall, Col. Round, John 1; 0 , es, Joint; Hamilton, W. J. rumbold, C. E. Bowles, Admiral Hamilton, Lord C. Russell, Lord John Boyd, John Hamner, Sir John Ryder, G. D. Brainston, T. W. Harcourt, G. G. Sandon, Viscount Wise°, 31. Ilatton, Captain licott, F. Ilroadley, 11. Hawes, Benjamin Seymour, Lord, Broadwood, H. H en l e y, J . W . Sheridan, R. B. Brooke, Sir A. 11. Herbert, Sidney Stilt ley, E. J. Browne, W. Hervey, Lord A. Sibthorp, Colonel Bruce, Lord E. Hildyard, 'l'. It. Smith, Abel Bruce, C. L. C. Bind..., J. 11. Smith, J. A. Buck, Lewis W.' llobliouse, Sir J. stnytbe, George Buller, Charles 1 1 Ofigson, R. Smollett, A. Buller, sir J. Y. Pope, Sir J. Somerton, Viscount Butler, I'. S. hope, Al. xandeir Spooner, B. Campbell, S r H. Hope, (i. W. Spry, Sir S. Cardwell, Edward Ilortiby, Jolla Stanley, E. Carta', le, Captain liorsman, Edward Stanley, W. 0. Cavendish, G. li, Hothatn, Lord Stanton, W. 14, Cayley, Edward S. 114 , ward, C. W. Stewart, John Chandos, Marq. of Howard, E. G. Stuart, Iletry Chelsea, Vise. Howard, P. H. Stuart, J. Chichester, Lord J. II tisOn, George Sutton, Henry Cldblers, J. W. Hughes, W. it. Thesiger, Sir F. Churchill, Lord A. S. Hume, Joseph Thompson, All. Clerk, Sir G. thirst, R. 11. Tomline, George ( lifton, J. 'l'. Hussey, T. Trench, Sir F. Clive, Viscount lrton, S. Tamil, Henry Cockburn, Sir G. James, William Vernon, G. U. Cole, H. A. J ermyn, Earl Vivian, J. 11. Colebrooke, Sir T. Jocelyn, Viscount Vivian, J. E. Collett, W. R. Johnstone, Sir J. 'Vivian, Captain Colguli, un, John Johnstone, Iloilo Vyse, It. Compton, 11. C. Jollitte, Sir W. 11. Waddington, 11. S. Connolly, Col. . Jones, Captain Wakley, Thomas Corry, Henry Kelly, Sir Fitzroy Walpole, S. 11. Courtenay, Lord Kemble, 11. Walsh, Sir J. 11. Cowper, W. F. Kirk, Peter Wehlcsley, Lord C. Craig, W. G. Knight, F. W. Wilshero, W. ('ripps, William Labonehere, Henry Wodehouse, E. Davies, I). A. e.. Lambton, 11. 'Wood, Colonel T. I)ewles, NV. Law, Hon. C. E. Wersley, Lord Denison, E. B. Lawson, A. Wortley, J. S, D'Eyncourt, C. T. Legh, G. C. Wrightsou, W. A. Dickinson, F. 11. Lemon, Sir C. Wyndham, Colonel Disraeli, B. Lennox, Lord H. Yorke, E. T. Dodd, G. Liddell, 11. T. Douglas, Sir H. Loch, James Douglas, Sir C. Lockhart, A. E. Douglas, J. D. S. Lockhart, NV. 1)ouro, Marquis of Lyall, George TIN'LLERS. Young, John lien 6 RIINORITY-NOES, 78. Bannerman, A, Evans, Sir De Lacy Parker, John Berkeley, Craven Ewart, William Mattison, James Berkeley, Captain Fielden, Joint Pechell, Captain Berkeley, 11. F. Ferguson, Colonel Philips, Mark Blewitt,:lteginald Fitzroy, Lord C. Pluinrido, Captain" llouverie, E. P. Fox, C. It. Protheroe, Edward Bowling, Dc, Gibson, T. M. Roes, D. It. BrothettOn. J. Hall, Sir Benjamin Russell, Lord E. Busfeild, William llastie, Archibald Stansneld, W. R. Chapman, R.llindley, Charles Staunton, Sir a, Christie, W. D. Holland, Robert Stuart, L cr d J . C o bd e n, Richard Langston, .T. 11. St ra it, Ed ward Colborne, W. It. y Laard, Captain Tancred, H. IV. Collett, John M'Carthy, Alex. Thornely, Thomas Crawford, W. S. M'Taggart, Sir J. Trelawny, J. S. Currie, Itaikes Marjori banks, S. Troubridge, sir B, Dalmeny, Lord Marshall, William Walker, Richard Dalrymple, Captain Martin, John Warburton, Ilenry Dennistoun, John IStitcalfe, Henry Duncan, Viscount . 1311 1 n ti)t r tre l '1)1 e ite t tl i 'l l , G' N ie:o. l. l l .Age. count ,x x i ala l l w l it:E',m:icjish. Charles e. Samuela Duncan, George eill),aviDadniel Yorke, H. R. I nualas, Admiral l E ,:i b i r ic i? , tEo.l,l,iiliils.count O'Connell, Elphinstone, 11, O'Connell, M. J. TELLEES. Escort, Bickham O'Connell, John Villiers, Charles Etwall, Ralph Oswald, James Bright, John PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS. (From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.) TUESDAY, MARCH 3. The following Petitions r Railways were reported, and WI UIS erdered to be brought in lsy fo the undernamed Hon. Meuabers : B North Staffordshire (Pottery Line)—Mr. Adderley, Mr. Ricardo, and Mr. Alderman Cope'mid. Grind Trunk, or Stafford and Peterborough Union Railway—Captain Carnegie and Sir Robert Heron. Dundee and Arbroath (Extension)—Lard Hallyburton & Mr. Duncan. Leicester and Bedford—Mr. Ellis, Mr. 11. Steart, and Mr. Maunsell. Coventry, Nuneaton, Birmingham, and Leicester—Sir IL Halford, Mr. Packe, and Mr. Villiers. Lancashire and North Yorkshire—Mr. 0. Buncombe, Lord E. Bruce, and Mr. Entwisle. Liverpool anti Preston and Manchester and Southport—Mr Patton. Mr. Clifton, and Viscount Sandon. STANDING ORDERS' COMMITTEE. The following resolutions were reported from this Committee:- 1. That, in the case of the Dundee and Arbroath Railway Exten sion petition, the standing orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill. 2. That, in the ease of the Leicester and Bedford Railway petition, the standing orders •light to be dispensed with :—That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill. 3. That, in the case of the Norfolk Railway Extension (Stow market, Wymondliam, and Attleborough Lranch) petition, the standing elders ought to be dispensed with:—That the pantos b e permitted to proceed with their Bill. 4. That, in the case of the North Staffordshire Railway (Potteries line) petition, the standing orders ought to be dispensed with That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill. and 5. SouthportThat, in t the zsaeyof petitionti the t LiverpoolstaismligProeis.dteornsavnugd illa,tift(tucblieestes theirr. lensed with:—That the parties be permitted to pro ce ed 6. That, in the case of the Lancashire and :Korth Yorkshire Rail way petition, the standing orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill. 7. That, in the ease of the Wear Dock Hallway Petition, the stelndo lug orders ought to he dispensed with:—That the parties be per, witted to proceed with their BM. 8. That, in the case of the Lynn and Ely, and Ely and Hunting don, and Lynn and Dereham Railway Companies Ainalgamau on petition, the standing order oug ht not to be dis p ensed with . 9. That in the case of the Berks Fu nd Hants Railway (Mungerford Extension) petition, the standing orders ought not to be dispeusect with. 10. That, in the case of the Coventry, Nuneaton, Birmingham, and Leicester Railway petition, the standing orders ought to be pensed with :—That the parties t e permitted to proceed with their 1. That, in the case of the Manchester and Leeds Hallway Ex. tensions petition, the standing orders ought to be disp ensed with : That the parties he permitted to proceed w ith th eir Bill . 12. That, in the case of the Grand T run k or Stalle.rd and Peter borough Railway petitio, teethe standing ord er S ought to be dispousedt with :—That the parties permitted to p eed with their Bill, 13. That, in the case of the Exeter, Yeovil, and Dorchester PAeg. way petition, the standing rders ought to :be dispensed with : That the parties be permitted t proceed with their Bill, on iaserting a clause, restraining them from compulsorily taking the lands In 'respect of which the names of William Vickery, Richard Granger . John Chard, and Willi am Hayman, were incorrectly inserted in the lists of assents to the 14. That, fa the case of the Newcastle-upon-Tyne Improvement petition' the Stl tildin‘ orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the