The Sun. — London, England, 1837-11-21 00:00:00

is the present representative system..—( Cheers.) What must those think who look for the establishment of free forms of Go vernment? This is the language which gives anxiety and alarm to the pnblie mind—which gives more than the acts of despotic Sovereigns is ealealated to prevent the development of free principles. Thus it is that the people argue ; they weigh the advantages of long prescription and established order, which are in favour of the old Constitution, and they find that when Englishmen have consented to part with these advantages under spe cious pretences, that within five years of the birth of the new measure, not only is it the first cause of complaint and indignation, but it is declared to be unjust and oppressive, and shall we run the risk of making extensive innovations on the established order of things for such a purpose—( Opposition cheers.) So much with respect to this measure, which you anticipated would be pregnant with satisfaction to the consti tuent bodies, and advantageous to the country ; it is to this language—it is to the threats of destruction of the integrity and independence of the House of Lords—it is to that assumption which is the foundation of all persecutions I am right and you are wrong,"—(loud cheers) — it is to that assumption that, because I do not agree with the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, I must, therefore, be denounced as unfit for the duties of a Representative—it is the fear and indigna tion which prevails throughout our institutions in Church and State—it is net the corruption and intimidation to which the Honourable Member has alluded. (Opposition cheers.) But it is that rational, manly feeling of independence that knows how to draw the just distinction between the sober eradication of proved abuses, and the constant tampering with the Consti tution of the country. It is the resolution of the people not to live in a state of constant political agitation—not to be made the tool of those who are dissatisfied with the results of their own measures, eliciting different measures of opinion from their own supporters.—( Cheers.) These are the circumstances which, as you appeal to them, have caused this change in the public opinion, and made your majority of 150 dwindle down to an uncertain one of thirty or forty ; and I feel confident, not permitting the Hon. Gentleman to put his construction on what the reason is, yet I feel confident that notwithstanding his threat, that we may trust to the steady deliberate judgment of the people of England to assist this most powerful minority which now sits on these benches in resisting the further progress of democratic change—( Cheers)—not the progress of rational, well-considerd improvement, but the pro gress of democratic change, which it is avowed has for its ob ject rather the alteration of the ratio of political power, and the conferring of a greater degree of political power of one party in the State, than the general good or advantage of the entire community. Was ever such a reason given for such a _ change as the Right Honourable Gentleman pro poses ? He says " we have failed—we hare found the people against us—we are in a minority, and we think that the result of two or three more elections will be to leave us entirely without support." —( Hear, hear, and a laugh.) Does the Hen. Gentleman ask us to give his party the means of obtaining a predominance for their opinions ? For my pelt, I, for one, will not consent to further chamles in the representation but on other grounds than the apprehension than that it would strengthen his party. I will not consent to further change, because of the evils which must of ne cessity arise from constant political agitation.—(Tory cheers.) I behave, however, that if I gave the Hon. Gents. opi,osite a carte blanche to cut and hack and cure the Constitution for them selves, I should hare the same confidence in tha good sense of the people of England that I now have. I believe that even in that case they would still be in a minority.---( Cheers.) It is not on that account that I oppose the Hon. Gentleman's proposi tions. I believe that the Hon. Gentlemen opposite would not be able to secure a majority for their opinions. But confi dent as I am of that, I am not prepared to incur all the other evils which must result from a farther change in the representative system of the country. I shall therefore find it necessary to oppose myself to the proposition made by the Honourable Memb"r for Finsbury, on this occa sion ; and whenever the particular measures, the Ballot, the extension of the Suffrage, and the repeal of the Septennial Act, are brought forward in this House, I shall be peifcctly prepared to discuss them in detail. I shall be prepared to go into that discussion with a perfect confidence of the grounds on which I shall oppose the Honourable Mem ber; and the more shall I be confident in the result of the debate, in consequence of the declaration made by the Noble Lord oppci.e Lord John Rtissell.) But I have also a perfect confidence in the good sense of the peo ple of England, whatever he the fate of those qu-stions. —(Cheers.) I have a perfect confidence in the set urity of the Church and State, because they have the support of the intellirent people of this country. The people know that to those institutions the prosperity and glory of this country are due, and they are then fore rooted in their hearts. The Hon. Bsronet sat down amidst the lon.!est cheers from his own sHe of the Meuse. Mr. WA D—(f.orn the noise oecnioned by the rush of Members to the door. he was very imperfectly licilrd at first)— The speech of the Right Hon. Bart. and the Noble Lord who preceded him had gis en the dk , ussion an importance, which brought it home to the breast of every cue who had the Lie of country at heart.—(Hear, hear.) He came down that night prepared to protest against the policy of the Hon. Member for Finsbury, and to vote against him if he had determined on dividing the House; but now, if the Hon. Member determined to pursue that course. he should certainly have his (Mr. W.'s) vote. The Noble Lord was acting most unaccountably, in diametrical opposition to his warmest admirers and supporters. He had sated that in his opinion, by carrying the Ballot or extending the suffrage, he would be virtually extending the Reform Bill. In his (Mr. W.'s) opinion, the Minister who had used those ex pressions, bad signed his own death warrant—had worked out the term of his own political existence. —( Cheers.) They saw the impossibility of the people fully enjoying their own rights at present. The Right Hon Baronet (Si r Robert Peel) bad placed the question on another footing. He wished to show that the feeling of the country was hostile to democratic changes.— (Hear, hear.) Ho (Mr. `P.) did not know how he could possibly have come to that decision, or from what part of the country he made his de ductions, for had he been attending to the large con stituencies at the late election, his eyes must have been opened to the irresistible feeling in favour of democatie changes; so much so, that in that part of the country wi:h which he was now connected, any gentleman holding the opinions of the Right lion. Baronet would not stand the slightest chance whatever of being elected.—( Hear, hear.) He thought the Speech was so framed that it was impos. sible for any man not to concur in the Address pro posed by the Noble Lord, the Member for Morpeth. Every possible contestable point ras evaded, and it was im possib!e for the most captious of the gentlemen opposite to have founded an amendment on that address.—( Cheers. ) Entertaining, as he did, the feelings and principles he had ever professed, he could not fail to record his vote in favour of the amendment of the Hon. Member for Finsbury, should he think fit to press it to a division.—( Hear, hear.) At the same time he would tell that Jion. Member that in the opinion of his friends and political associates, it was not bringing the question to a fair issue.—( Hear.) There was so strong a feeling throughout the country, that the debate should not be marred by any division, but that the Address to the Crown should be unanimous, that the Honourable Member for Finsbury was placing the great questions he advocated in the most unfair situation possible.—( Hear.) The Hon. Member had placed on record his sentiments, and when he saw each of the questions of which he had appeared that night as the advocate, in the hands of those, who, by their exertions, had given interest to those questions in the eyes of the community, he might, without dereliction of duty, leave them to that discussion which they were certain of receiving. —(Hear, hear.) He thought that course would be fair to those questions, fair to the House, and fair to those Members whose names had been more par ticularly connected With those questions.—( Hear, hear, and loud cries of " Divide, divide.") Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the Gallery was cleared for a division. The House then divided, when there appeared— For Mr. Wakley's Amendment as to the Exten sion of Suffrage 2O For the Address Majority —489 On re-entering the gallery we found Mr. WA KLEY on his legs. The Honourable Member said that the result of the division rendered it unnecessary for him to divide on the other two amendments, and he trusted the Hous6 would excuse him for the trouble which from a sense of duty he had been been obliged to give them. The Noble Lord was pleased to say he (Mr. W.) had brought his powders in three papers and that they bad no effect on his feelings. He was glad to see, however, that the first powder which he had administered, had answered its purpose, and he only hoped it would be as beneficial to the constitution of the Noble Lord as it was to the object which be (Mr. W.), had in view. —(Hear, and laughter.) It was a bitter dose, and the Noble Lord had been obliged to swallow it. The Right Hon. Baronet had also made a declaration by which it was pretty apparent that the coalition which ho had before hinted at had taken place, if not exactly in person at least in principle between the two parties. That fact had been elicited by the Amendment, and if it had no other effect it would be sufficient to excuse him for pressing it to a division. The people (continued Mr. Wakley) will see that they can have no confidence in this House, and I advise the people not to petition this House, but to send their petitions directly to the Queen.—( Cries of " Oh 1 oh ! and laughter from the Tory and Ministerial Benches.) I can assure the Noble Lord, and the Right Hon. Baronet also, that the Radical Party on this side of the House are not desirous of destroying the institutions of this country.—(oh, oh !)—We are not desirous of destroying the Monarchy, or the Established Church. On the contrary, on every occasion we have manifested the strongest desire to support these institutions.—(Great Ntaghter.) Why, if Hon. Gentlemen please they may shout thejr contradiction again and again, but it is only of a piece with their conduct at all their meetings.—( Cries of " Oh.") In feet, it is not true. For instance, the measure of Church rate was calculated to serve the Established Church—( Tory laughter.)---anal Honourable Members opposite know it very well.—( Hear, hear, hear.) I will read the other two resolutions, but I do not intend to divide the House upon them. I consider the expression of opinion upon the first resolution to be quite sufficient to show the people that there is a coalition—that there is a coalition of principle— and that there will be a coalition of action—that the Noble Lord (J. Russell) and the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamwcrth arc in the same neat, and that they will sink or swim together. The Hon. ilf , mber then sat down, and having handed the resolutions to the Clerk, they were read by the Speaker, and negatived without it divis i on. Mr. HARVEY said, if he had been fortunate enough to have caught the Speaker's eye at an earlier hour in the even rl't h_e might have been led to make a few more re were now necessary, for the answer of the Noble : Lelia% ussell), to the Hon. Member for Kilkenny had don! 1 rft ith the necessity of the first part of the obssrva -141. (led to make. The amendment which be bad . to p.tqp e." to the effect that the Parliament being desirous of eost liberal provision for the support of the splyn -1 dew; a,Wgnity of the Crown, yet they felt at the same time - - a that the money should come from an obvious and direct source ; therefore they thought that every part of the revenues of the Crown ought to be placed under the direct controul of Parliament, which would be a secu rity against their misapplication, and that in any arrange ments of the Civil List, they should apply the same test to the recipients of Pensions as were now applied to a lower class of her Majesty's subjects.—( Hear, hear. ) They have intimated to the House their intention of submitting the claims of the Crown to hereditary revenue, entirely and without reservation. It could not have escaped the recollection of the portion of the House present on that occasion with what eagerness a Learned Member, now a Noble Lord, in sisted on the construction on these words to mean the compre hension of the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall. It would also be recollected that Lord Althorp, then in opposition, interpreted these words in the same manner ; and it would be further recollected that it was their fervour to establish a complete system of economy--( Hear, hear)—and controul over the resources of the : Crown to which their triumph, and the station they at present occupy, was m a inly attributable. True, at a subsequent period, when those indi viduals had changed places, and made a cheap profession of economy their passport to office, they found that they had placed a wrong interpretation on those words, not because they admitted of a different interpretation, but because on inquiry a different meaning was to be collected from them.—( Hear, hear, hear.) It was most important that there should be now no misunderstanding, for it was to be borne in mind that this was the first reign in the memory of any living politician in which the Sovereign had not reached mature years. In former vises, when any arrangement had been made, it might at no very distant period be cor-. rected ; but now they were invited to the formation of a Civil List, which in all probability no person now living would see re-considered ; it was therefore important that there should be no misunderstanding in that respect, and if he understood the Noble Lord rightly, it was to the effect that it was in the contemplation of Government to bring the revenues of the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall under the controul of that House. If that was so, it met the preliminary part of his amend ment, but it was imperative that the actual amount and nature if those properties should be known before they were invited to settle the Civil List, because whatever the amount of that property was, it should go in diminution of the grant that was to be made. Perhaps there was no specious of property belonging to the Crown upon which the pub-. lic were so much in the dark. It had been frequently stated that the revenues of the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall amounted annually to the sum of 40,0001. while occasional fines to an enormous extent were demanded. It was therefore obvious that this property should be brought under the cognizance of the House, in order that it might be made contributory to the Civil List, and that the country should be put in full and unreserved possession of everything that belongs to its nature, character, and extent. If, therefore, he understood from the Noble Lord that he took this view 'of the matter, the introductory part of his (Mr. H.'s) amendment might be forgone.—( Hear.) He also wished to know whether the Committee which the Chancellor of the Exchequer had given notice of his intention to move, and to which were to be referred the various documents in explana tion of the different burdens now imposed upon the Civil List, was intended to revise the Pension List fairly. If it were so be (Mr. ) had nothing more to say, nor had he any desire to trouble the House with -further observations; but if he could not so flatter himself he thought this a most appropriate occasion for the House to express his opinion upon this sub ject. If it was inconvenient that the House should be invited to pass its opinion upon the subject, it must be borne in mind that the blame was not, attachable to the gentlemen who thought it their duty to bring it forward ; he ( Mr. H.) never recollected a King's Speech when Hon. Members now in Government were in Opposition, did not preface their remarks with a regret, and with a protest against misunderstanding They regretted the departure of the Government from what they termed the good old wholesome maxim of having the King's Speech real at the Cock-pit previous to its delivery, by which means they become acquainted with its vai ions pro visions. They also, at the same time, desired not to be under stood as in their observations upon the speech meaning any disrespect for the ro,:, al person from whcm it proceeded. This latter protestation was not needed on the present occasion, for no human being could for a moment suspect that her Ma jesty was the author of the Speech. It was one of the most old fashioned productions ever brought under the notice of the House.—( Laughter.) It 'nig& have been almost copied word for word from my Royal Si.-eech for the last century. The fancy, therefore, of her Majestfs young and fruitful imagination could have had nought to do with the matronly production.-- (Loud laughter.) I t was a t the same time extremely desirable that the House should guard her Majesty against any of these injurious constructions which might be put on their proceedings in that House, under the impression that the Speech might have been concocted, in the ordinary acceptation of the word, by herself. Her Majesty could know nothing about the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster ; nor could she know anything of that Pension List which had been exhibited throughout the country, and had excited more general contempt and dissatis faction than any measure of the Government. He would ven ture to say, and he appealed to all Gentlemen who had been on the popular hustings, or at least to such of them as were present, and had not paid the penalty for their conduct when this subject was before under their consideration— whether there was any cue subject respecting which the public mind was so strong, and towards which there was so decided a feeling, as the necessity of revising the Pension List.---( Hear, hear.) That necessity had become the more important and the more just from the experiments made with little regard to the comfort or the circumstances of those who had been the subject of inquiry under the operation of the Poor Law Act. Many Gentlemen whom he had now the honour cf addressing were Guardians of the Poor law districts, and they could call to their minds many instances of persons, far advanced in years, who had, for a considerable period, been the recipients of very small sums of money by way of parochial aid, which had either been entirely withdrawn from them, or considerably reduced, unless they j ielded to the necessity of taking up their abode in a district workhouse ; and many of those poor and aged persons had been induced either to take refuge there, or to forego the little pittance allotted to them, rather than submit to a degradation at a hich the feelings revolted. He knew that there were some disposed to draw a distinction between the aged and miserable paupers, without friends and connexions, and scarcely known to any one in the parish in which they resided, and the names which were blazoned on the Pension List— (Hear, hear, hear)--as linked with the Peerage and the property of the country. This distinction might to some appear a natural one, but to him it certainly did seem that persons who received the money of the country without rendering any services in return were little better than the class he had described.—(Hear, hear.) By supporting his a men d ment t h e H ouse would call upon her Majesty not to suffer the Pension List to pass until it had undergone that revision which justice and common sense demanded. If it should be said that the time for maki ng suc h a propos i t i on was not appro priate, if Gentlemen felt so strongly the desire of unanimity at the commencement of a new reign, if he found that Gentlemen really and sincerely entertained that opinion, he did not think that ho would be consulting the interests of those whom he repre sented, if he pressed the matter to a division under such circum stances.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") All he wished was to have a proper thing done at a proper time and in a proper manner. He hoped that it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to submit the Pension List to that rigid revision, for they must allow him to tell them that they had no popularity to throw away. The untoward declaration which they had heard that night, the manly declaration that the Noble Lord had made that night, would prove most fatal to the present Government.—( Cheers. ) It would act with the same fatal certainty as did the decla ration of a Noble Duke in another place.---( Loud cheers.) Where was the differeacs between that Noble Duke stating that he conceived the representation could not be improved, and the Noble Lord stating, with the facts staring him in the face, of the corruption and intimidation that was exercised at the last election, that he was not prepared to allow any alteration the Reform Bill. If the Government were not prepared to hazard the last remnant of the popularity that hung to them they would at least have the feelings of the people with them, by giving their support to the inquiry he proposed.— ( Cheers.) The Hon. Member concluded by moving as an amend merit to the Address, the recommendation to her Majesty of that House to revise the Pension List. • Lord JOHN RUSSELL said. that as the Hon. Member did not intend to press his motion to a division, he should confine himself to answering some of the questions which the Honourable Gentleman had put. As to the Duchies of Cornwall and Lan caster, he (Lord John Russell) thought that when the measure of his Right Hon. Friend came befisre the House, it would be found to remedy the evils which be longed fe the former system of management. With respect to Oie Pension List, he thought the best place to discuss that subject was in a Committee. But he should tell th e H on . G en tl eman f urt h er, t h a t i t was the intention of his Majesty's Ministers to refer the List to a Select Committee. Where there was a compact betvreen the Sovereign and the Par liament respecting the pensions, the Parliament might take those cases which it thought fit ; ' but if the Honourable Member should, in the Select Comm ittee, move for the depriving of persons of pensions, which. they had received upon the understanding that they should possess them for life, he (Lord J. Russell) would oppose that pri position, although it was in the power of Parliament to take avva: r such pensions. Mr. HUME then put a questi , Dr, to the Noble Lord, but from the noise in the Honse we did not eoUect the question nor the Noble Lord's answer. Mr. D. W. HARVEY said, much regretting to hear the state ment of the noble Lord, when thet 3ommittee to which the noble Lord adverted was appointed which th, ire was too much reason to appre hend would be of a complexion n( to guarantee the expectation that they would make any gratuitot is enquiry into the Pension List —( Cries of Hear, .hear) —hen )w gave notice th a t h e s h ou ld move a special instruction I :o that Committee, that the Committee shall inquire into each pension "seriatim," and take the sense of the House upon it. T has he should do, in the full con fidence that he would receive as a tsich support in it from the other side of the House as he expected t o . receive from the sid e on w hi c h he was. He should not withdraw It is motion, but leave it as the other two had been. Adjourned at a quarter to eleven. 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Yesterday afternoon the QUEEN in person opened the first Session of the new Parliament by a speech from the Throne— a copy of which, with a report also of the loyal proceedings almost immediately afterwards, appeared in the columns of The Sun, and are, of course, already in the possession of our readers. In the House of Lords, the Address was moved by the Duke of SussEx, and seconded by Lord PORTMAN. It was unanimously agreed to without any debate, or a single dis sentient voice. In the House of Commons, the swearing-in of Members continued till past four o'clock. After the QUEEN'S speech bad been read by the SPEAKER, and the House had resumed, a great many notices were given ; they are all particularized in our Parliamentary Report. The SPEAKER having read the Royal Speech, which her MAJES TY h a d d e li vere d i n the House of Lords, Lord LLVESON moved and Mr. GRGRON CRAIG seconded the Address in ansvrer to it. Mr. WAKLET Was of opinion that the Royal Speech was vague, that it dealt only in generalities, and that it did not state any one precise subject to be brought forward. Now, as be came into Parliament to support the cause of the people, and not the cause of party and faction, he should move some amendment which would go to pledge the House to a reform of the Reform Bill. " Party and faction had been the curse of this country for centuries, and if they followed the course which her Majesty's Ministers that night marked out for them, they were not likely to remove that curse." Sir WILLIAM MOLESWO Rill seconded the amendment of his Hon. Friend the Member for Finsbury, with whose opi nion on the obscurity and evasiveness of the Speech he entirely agreed. No reference, for instance, had bt , en made to the evils of the elective system. " The late elections had shown that the Reform Bill had been an entire failure: all the evils of the old system were still in existence. The object of the Reform Bill was to change that system, and to make that which was no representation a real repre sentation ; but its effect had been to place the whole of the counties of England in the hands of the landlords. He con tended that the Reform Bill had completely failed in its object, and that that House did not represent those classes of the community that it pretended to represent ; for, in fact, the whole of the counties were no better than nomination boroughs." Mr. Hesse supported and Lord Joist.; RUSSELL opposed the amendment. Sir ROBERT PEEL deprecated any further change: and would resist all attempts to alter the Reform Bill. Mr. WARD thought that Lord J. Rosottni, was acting dia metrically in opposition to his warmest supporters. If the present Government could not secure the return of Liberal Members at the elections than by the means the Noble Lord now possessed, then he must say that, as a Minister, the Noble Lord, by these expressions, had signed his own death-warrant, and worked out the term of his political existence. The House then divided. The numbers were 20 for, and 509 against the amendment. Mr. WA [LEY'S amendment was there. fore negatived by 489. No division took place on the two remaining amendments moved by the Hon. Gentlemen for in sertion in the Address. A motion subsequently made by Mr. HARVEY on the sub ject of the Crown Revenues and the Pension List was nega tived without a division. We find, as we anticipated, that the organs of the Tory faction are in a rage at the QUEEN'S Ministers, for having, in the composition of the Royal Speech, in the first place, avoided the introduction of any but leading topics, and then treated those introduced in such a way as to compel the unanimous acquiescence of the Opposition in the Address to the Throne. The public, of course, regard the vituperation of the Tory press-gang as the highest compliment that can be paid to those on whom it is bestowed. It will be perceived, however, by our report of the proceedings in the House of Commons, that although the Tory Opposi tion were disarmed, the Address to Queen VicTontA from her first Parliament found opponents in that small section of the Reformers who are generally denominated Ultra-Radicals, and who, though in the main well intentioned, are not gifted with a superabundance of prudence, either in the concoction of their measures or in the selection of the time and place for bringing them forward. The merit of this diversion—for such it practically is—in favour of the Tory party, is due to Mr. WALLET, who moved three separate amend ments on the Address, which he prefaced by a pretty long speech, in which there is some cleverness mixed up with a good deal of extraneous matter, and not a little inconsequential argumentation. The amendments proposed to be introduced into the Address by the Honourable Member, were to the effect that the House would take into consideration the extension of he Suffrage, the Ballot, and Triennial Parliaments, with the view of adopting those measures. Now we are as anxious for the adoption of those improvements as Mr. WA KLEY can possibly be ; but we should like to know what earthly purpose his bringing them for ward in the way he did last night could answer, unless it were to prejudice their future consideration and re- tard their success. He could not suppose that these questions would be allowed to sleep because they were not mentioned in the Speech from the Throne, for Mr. GROTE had already given notice of his intention to bring forward a motion on the Ballot, the most impor tant of all, while by pressing to an ungracious division his forlorn amendments, at the sly instigation of Sir R. PIEL, and in defiance of the remonstrances of Mr. HUME and Mr. GROTE—both of them fully as anxious as himself for the advancement of Reform-- he did all that in him lay to show that there was dis union in the ranks of the Liberals. Happily the result did not answer his expectations, as no more than twenty Members supported him. We trust that so signal a rebuke will operate as a sa lutary warning to the Honourable Gentleman and others, to temper their ardour in a good cause with a " moderation that may give it smoothness." But while we disapprove of the course pursued by Mr. WAKLEY on this occasion, we cannot but regret the repulsive tone in which the amendments were met by Lord JOHN RUSSELL. Were the Noble Lord a man of a hasty temperament, we might have supposed that he had been led in a moment of irritation to express himself more strongly than he intended. But Lord JOHN is never thrown off his guard by passion. He is always cool and collected, and therefore we must suppose from what fell from him last night, that he is deliberately opposed to the extension of the Suffrage, the Ballot, and a shorter du. ration of Parliaments. We do confess, that after what the Noble Lord has on several occasions stated to his constituents, we did not expect that the Ballot would have been included in his sweeping declaration. For however it may be said that the adoption of the two other measures would be a " virtual repeal of the . de of ci ne 'otingcan would ti gn m om er i e nat m ed o i l l l o e t for j i u n stl A y ct,'b'esuresoly almost think, indeed, that this was one of those matters which the House of Commons had sufficient power to regulate of itself, without making it a sub ject of legislation by King, Lords, and Commons. So far, is the Ballot from being a repeal of the Reform Bill, that it is the only thing that can pre vent that Bill from becoming a greater evil than the rotten-borough system which preceded it. The Duke of Sussßijn moving the Address last night in the House of Lords, made an excellent speech, replete with good sense, moderation, and justness of reflection. He carefully avoided urging any topics that might bring on a premature or intemperate dis cussion ; but contented himself with commenting on the Royal Speech generally ; a becoming line of con duct which was followed by the seconder, Lord PORT MAN. The Duke of WELLINGTON, who was the only speaker on the opposite side of the House, ex pressed his warm approbation of her MAJESTY'S Speech, and of the Address proposed by the Illus trious Duke, which last was consequently agreed to unanimously. If the Tories persevere in the same pacific spirit in which they have commenced the Session, who knows but they may in time get credit for somethin,q, like discretion ? Within a few days—or at all events weeks— the state of our relations with Portugal will be brought under the notice of Parliament, and we confidently trust that Lord PALMERSTON will then give an ex planation which will remove the impression generally prevailing, not only in that country, but. in England, that the British Government has taken a decided and active part in favour of one of the contending factions. This is due to the honour and interests of the British Crown. This impression has already excited the worst feelings against England in the breasts of a vast number of the Portuguese people, and particularly those opposed to the Charter. They say the Charter is of foreign origin—it is the growth of England, and is forced upon them with a view to prolong their dependence on that country, of which Portugal has virtually been a province for more than a hundred years. In the excitement caused by such a conviction they have with their national ardour expressed themselves strongly against England, but we are quite sure our Government, in place of taking advantage of such an indiscretion will overlook it, and rather sympathize with a people who have been distracted for years by civil dissensions, and who are longing for that Constitutional freedom promised to them ever since 1820, but never realized. Of this we may rest assured, that any predilection shown for the Charter by the present Go vernment, will only tend to prolong the contests. A strong suspicion prevails (and suspicions are not easily removed), that we have all along supported it for the purpose of promoting our own commercial in terests, and of retaining Portugal as a fief of Eng land. Whatever may be the fact, the history of the Charter affords hut too good a pretence for such im putations. Ever since the suppression of the Consti tution in 1823 a strong feeling has existed in that country for a Constitutional Government, and on the death of King JOHN in Ib2G, Don PEDRO, in order to be before-hand with the reformers, and in order to se cure his daughter's succession, concocted a charter in Rio Janeiro. We do not say that the British Minister had any hand in it ; but at all events Sir CHARLES STUART brought it over in his pocket, and there by incurred the severe displeasure of Mr. CANNING. It was, however, proclaimed in Portugal, opposed by the Miguelites, and not warmly supported by the other party, and the consequence was that we had to send over to Portugal a large force at a great ex pellee to protect it, and no sooner was that force withdrawn, than it died a natural death. Don PEDRO having been driven from the Brazils on li account of his tyrannical conduct, again esta blisl►ed the Charter, chiefly through the aid of foreign soldiers and British sailors ; but no sooner had the dread of Don MIGUEL vanished, and the Court both of Don PEDRO and his daughter shown symptoms of a return to the despotical habits of the former Sovereigns, than the Charter again fell to pieces. Not many months ago another attempt was made to re vive it. The Chartists tampered with the troops, and British ships of war were anchored close to the city, but the attempt miserably failed. A second trial was afterwards made in the interior of the country, but not a voice was raised for the Charter, and the leaders were forced to seek refuge in England. The fact is, tl►e great body of the people never had the slight est regard for it. 'What absurdity then to try to force such a Constitution on Portugal, and what madness to urge, as an argument in its favour, that we could establish better commercial relations with the Chartists than with their opponents I This is the most certain way to annihilate the Charter, and defeat what ought to be our great object, an amicable arrangement. The expense of such interference for commercial pur poses, has always exceeded the profits. Let us con vince the Portuguese people that we are impartial and disinterested, and whatever party may be in power will soon find it for their interest to be on good terms with England. The Paris journals of Sunday have all been received. A telegraphic despatch had apprised the Government that the Carlists had quitted the neighbourhood of Valencia on the 9th inst., without daring to attack that city. General ORAA was at the same time in hot pursuit of CABRERA, who, with seventy vehicles, laden with plunder, was making the best of his way back to Cantavieja. The Baron de MEER was at Bar celona on the 11th, where he continued to preserve public tranquillity. In order to raise a revenue he had decreed in the name of the QUEEN that all goods im ported by sea or land should be subject to a duty of one per cent. ad valorem. All cottons, whether foreign or colonial, are subject to a duty of four per cent., and foreign manufactured goods are to pay six per cent. The murderers of SAARSPIELD have been shot by command of ESPARTERO at Pampeluna. The de tails of this affair have not reached us. There is no domestic intelligence in the Journals of Sunday. The Carlists boast that the Pretender is preparing another grand expedition against Madrid. Of what use can it be, so long as the inhabitants of Madrid refuse to open their gates to the Carlists ? According to the organs of the Pretender, he might have captured the city when he was last before it, had he been able to overcome his scruples to shed blood. Why then fatigue himself with another useless march, when it is manifest that Madrid will only yield to force ? Advices from Persia state that the Schah, having narrowly escaped with his life an insurrection planned by the Rajah of LAHORE, applied to Russia for assist ance, in consequence of which the Emperor has ordered a large military force to embark at several sta tions on the Caspian, to be conveyed to Ferabad on the Persian frontier, with orders to place itself at the unlimited disposal of the Schah. By this step Russia hopes to recover her influence in Persia, and thereby pave the way for future triumphs in the East. A Ministerial Journal (Le Temps) publishes the following, in the form of a telegraphic despatch : " BAYONNE, Nov. 16.—1 learn indirectly that Espartero has punished the assassins of General Saarsfield. I have not yet received the details."—Le Commerce. The German Papers received this morning bring advices from Hanover of the 16th inst. M. VON SCHULE had invited deputations of the States to con gratulate the KING on the prospects held out to the country by the Royal Letters Patent, but they main tained a sullen silence. HAMBURG BORSEN HALLE, Nov. sisi l . 7. i Money. Austrian MetsY9ques, 5 per cent. Di" - ditto 3 per cent. Ditto ditto 21 per cent Ditto Bank shares 1g95 121)2 Anglo-Russian Loan 1074 107 Paper Inscription, 6 per cent ll'i:qi ICO Russian 5 per cents. Metal. Russian inscription, Hope and Co., 3d and 4th Series Ditto, Certificates Portuguese Regency Bonds, 5 per cent -- Ditto, 3 per cent. 22 Dutch;,,, per Cents. 52% 52% Ditto 5 per Cents Polish Bonds, 3 per cents. New Tickets 155% 155% Anglo-Danish Loan, 3 per cents 70% 76% Norwegian Loan of 1534, 4 p er cen t s Spanish, in piastres, 3 per Cents — C o rtes Lean, 5 per Cent lB% 16 4 Greek 4 per cents. 15.33, guaranteed by France EXCHANGES ON LONDON. HAMBURG, Nov. 17.-13 9% ; two months, 13 8V• Sr. PETEKSBURGII, Nov. 7.—Three months, 10 33-64. STOCKHOLM, Nov. 10.—Two months, 12 20. CHRISTIANIA, Nov. B.—Three months, 5 10. BLRLIN, Nov. 14.—Three m..nths, 6. 25%. —Hamburg Papers, Nov. 17, Ot c - 4 4) ;t 7 - 16 . 4 0?1,. 4 0 7:l,p* ( -1- e, Zun. HOUSE OF LORDS.-(THIS DAY.) The Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at twenty minutes past One o'Clock. Among the Peers present we observed the Duke of Argyll, who took the oaths and subscribed the Parliamentary Roll ; the Duke of Sutherland, the Duke of Leinster, the Marquis of Bute, the Marquis of Westminster, Viscount Falkland, Earl Mulgrave, Lord Bexley, Earl Shaftesbury, Lord Port man, and the Bishops of Durham, Norwich, Ely, and Here ford. The Duke of SUSSEX entered the House at half-past one, and was warmly greeted by several of the Peers present. His Royal Highness wore the uniform of Captain-General of the Royal Artillery, and the Blue Ribbon of the Garter, as on yesterday evening. Lord PORTMAN, the seconder of the Address, wore a Deputy-Lieutenant's uniform, and almost all the Peers wore either the Windsor or some military uniform. The Duke of ARGYLL acquainted their Lordships that the Peers who had been appeinted to wait on her Majesty, to ascertain when it would be her Royal pleasure to receive the Address of thst House, had returned, and her Majesty had been graciously pleased to appoint two o'clock on that day to receive it. On the motion of the Earl of SH A FTE SB ti RY the Hous• adjourned to three o'clock, and all the Peers present who were Privy Councillors then left the House, and proceeded to Buckingham Palace, for the purpose of presenting the Ad dress to her Majesty. On hisiGrace the Duke of Sussex going down stairs from the House of Lords to join the procession, we are sorry to say that in consequence of his foot catching on the carpet, his Royal Highness fell, and rolled down one flight of steps. He was immediately raised, and though he complained of his knee, he assured the Noble Lords by whom be was immediately surrounded that he was not seriously hurt ; and being assisted along, he joined the procession. The procession left the House of Lords at a quarter to two o'clock, preceded by Mr. Lee, High Constable of West minster, and assistants, passing through the Horse-guards and along the Mall. They• were fewer persons assembled to wit ness the ceremony of going up to the Palace with the Address than on former occasions of a similar nature. CHANCERY COURT.-(THIS DAY IN THE MATTER OF THE LUDLOW CHARITIEI. Mr. WAKEFIELD upon the Lord Chancellor taking h a seat, stated that he was instructed on behalf of one set of Trustees of the above Charities, to request that his Lordship would post pone his judgment, which stood on the paper to day, for a week, as a treaty was going forward, which would probably end in a settlement of all the disputes that had taken place. Mr. WIGRAM on the part of his client did not feel himself justified in consequence of the treaty that had been going on, to ask his Lordship to postpone his judgment; he denied that any treaty was going forward at all. Mr. WAKEFIELD observed that he had read a letter from Mr. Lechmere Charlton, in which that gentleman stated that such a treaty was proceeding, and expressed his firm belief that matters would be settled amicably. In his, Mr. Wakefield's opinion, it would be much better to allay the irritation that existed in Ludlow by an amicable arrangement, than that either party should obtain a triumph by a judgment of his Lordship. The LORD CHANCELLOR said under the circumstances ho would postpone giving judgment till that day week. DEWIIURST V. WRIGLEY. His LORDSHIP gave judgment in this case, which was an appeal from the decision of the Master of the Rolls, continu ing an injunction till the rights of the parties had been decided at law. His Lordship considered, on the defendant's own showing, that the order of the Master of the Rolls was right, and refused the application v ith costs. STEVEN! V. WELLING!. Thiii was an appeal motion from an order of the Vice- Char, cellor, declaring that a person named Evans was the se cond incumbrancer only of an estate in Wales. Evans con tended that he ought to have been considered first incum brancer, and appealed on that ground from the decision of the Coutt below. The Lord Chancellor gave judgment in the case this morning, dismissing the motion with costs. VICE-CHANCERY.-(THIS DAY. The VICE-CHANCELLOR was occupied the whole day with the arguments in the part-heard case of Goodson v. Ellison. ROLLS' COURT-(THIS DAY The MASTER of the ROLLS was occupied the principal part of the morning with consent petitions ; after which the argu ments upon the exceptions in the case of Smith v. Lord New burgh, which was part heard on Friday and Saturday last, were proceeded with. LLOYD'S SHIPPING.-(THIS DAY. DEAL, Nov. 20. —Wind W. S. W., fine.—Arrived the Can ton, Melville, and Glasgow, from Quebec. The outward bound sailed for the river. Came down from the river the Edward, Morton, fur Madras; Margaret, Taylor, for To bago; Reserve, Hosieson, for Jamaica; Aquila, Black, for Cadiz ; Ann, Dyborough, for Oporto. Potersmount, Nov. 20.--Wind W. S. W., squally, with fresh breezes.—Arrived off port the John Woodall, Mossman, from Rio Janeiro. PLYMOUTH, Nov. 20. —Wind W. S. W.—Arrived the Ash burton, Goss, from Liverpool, leaky, bound to Gibraltar. FALMOUTH, Nov. lg.—Wind W. S. W.—Strong breezes and squally. _ DAtlnt6unt, Nov. 19.—Arrived the George Sutton, Trout, from Labrador ; Equivalent, Wake, from Archangel. Doviza, Nov. 9O.—Arrived off, the Albatross, Scholberg, from Rio Janeiro ; Margaret, Taylor, from Demerara ; Alex aader Robertson, Whitely, from Berbice; and Dandy, May. hew, from Messina. WEYMOUTH, Nov. 19.—Arrived the Ilarmonie, Roder kirk, from Rotterdam, leaky, bound to Trieste. PORTLAND ROADS, Nov. 19.—Arrived the Dwina, Christo pher, from Riga. POOLE, Nov. 19. Arrived the Cornhill, Meadus, from Newfoundland. TEIGNMOUTII, Nov. 19.—Arrived the Oscar, Pierce, from Miramichi, and Rover, Willin, from Newfoundland. LIVERPOOL, Nov. 20.—Arrived the Rosalind, Little, from Hamburgh, and Virginia, Craiz, from St. Pctersburgh. Ar rived off, the Bukby, from Richebucto. LOWESTOFFC, Nov. 20.—Arrived the Erstatring, A. Wreth sen, from Gottenburg. Conic, Nov. 18.—Arrived the Susannah, Daniels, and Wm. and Sarah, Plummer, from Dublin. BELFAAT, Nor. 18.—Arrived the Ranger, Davis, from London; Emulous, Davison, from Demerara ; Agitator, Wilson, from Quebec; and Fanny and Jane, from Marsala. ABERDEEN, Nov. 18.—Arrived the Antelope, Krans, from Dantzic ; John Wilhelmina, from Stettin ; Helen, Kinner, from Nana ; Drie Gebruders, Walker, from Wiesmar. HULL, Nov. 19.—Arrived the Thetis, Maas, and Maria Louisa, Peters, from Memel ; Elenora, Plantine, from Dantzic ; Anne Maria, Turnaway, and Minerva, Frederick son, from Newstadt ; Cecilia, Smedt, from Konigsberg ; Sophia, South, from Malines. ALDBOROUGH, Nov. 19.—Arrived off, the Rehderenden, Holms, from Gottenburg. BRIDGWATKR, Nov. 19.—Arrived the Congress, M'Neill, from Quebec. THE FUNDS.-(THIS DAY.) CITY, TWELVE O'CLOCK. During the whole of yesterday morning, the Consol market was rather heavy, but on her Majesty's speech being received in the city, an improvement took place of about k per cent. ; and Consols closed at 931 for money, buyers ; and 931 93. for the account ; for January account, 934 93i ; Exchequer Bills, 41 43 prem. ; India Bonds, 30 32 prem. ; Bank Stock, 212 213 prem. ; India Stock, 269 271 prem. Consols opened this morning at 934 for the Account and Money ;at present, 93- next Account, 931-. In the Foreign Market, Spanish Active closed at 20h with Coupons, and opened at 204 s ; Passive, 44 ; Defer red, 61 g ; Portuguese closed at 32f 32, and opened at the same ; Three per Cents., 214 4 ; Mexican, 274 284 ; Colom bian, 24; 4 1 ,- 254 ; Dutch Two and Half per Cents, 544. HALF-PAST ONE O'CLOCK. We have no further arrivals since the morning, and the Funds have remained steady, to the present time, at 931 I for the account and money ; for the January account 94, buyers; Exchequer Bills, 41 43, prem. ; India Bonds, 30 33, prem. ; Bank Stock, 212 213; • India Sto c k, 272 27 4. Very little business has been doing in either of the Markets. In the Foreign Market, Spanish Active has continued in active at 20k with Coupons ; Portuguese, 31i- 32 ; Three per Cents., 214 South American Stock improved, owing to the Treaties entered into with this country; Mexican, 281 29; Colombian, 254 f; Dutch Two-and-a-Half per Cents., 544. TYREE O'CLOCK. Consols for the Account, 93i I. THE FUNDS.—CLOSING PRICES. BRITISH FUNDS. Bank Stock 2121 i Omniam 4 per Cent. R e d 923,4 India Stock ..... 27 . 3 3 per Cent. Cons 9 . 33A Ditto Itonds 34 per Cent. Red 10:3 Ditto Old Annuities Neu , 3V, per Cent 10134 Ditto New Annuities — 4 per Cent. Assented Dissented Ditto 5(10/ 4l pm. Long Annuities to expire Ditto 5001 41 pm. Ja a 16C0 l4 15-16 Bank Stock for Opg. .... Oct. 1850 lndia Stock for Act. Jan. 18130 Consols. for Act. FOREIGN FUNDS. Portuguese Bonds, 5 per cent. Ditto, New Ditto 31% Prussian, 5 per cent.. Russian Bonds, 5 per cent Ditto, Metallic Spanish, 5 p.q . cent............. 2014 Console ,• • Austrian, 5 per cont Belgian, 5 per cent Brazilian Bonds „ 80 3 4 Iluenas Ayres, 6 per cent COillan, 6 per cent Colombian, 6 per cent ttto, 1821 Jan ish, 3 per cent ,' French, 5 per cent ... ...... —I; Greet Bonds, 1625, 5 per cent — I Exchange ................. ... 25 r. soc. %lexican, 5 per cent. 28% I Dutch, 2i per cent. ....... .. ..... 54 SHARES.Mtn, 6 per cent., 1825 Peruvian, 1825, 6 per cent 9.1 I Oat°, 5 p er cent. ........ ........ . 101% London and Croydon Railway ............................... . 18% M anc h es ter and Leeds Railway .......................... . . ... 15 No other variations in t he Prices of Shares since our One o'cloc' List. --- LIVERPOOL COTTON MARKET, MONDAY.— The demand for Cotton has been brisk to-day, and the sales are 8,000 bags, at per lb. advance upon last Saturday's prices; 700 Pernams at 9d. a 10d., 400 Bahias at 7:d. a Bid., 300 Maranhams at 9d. a 40 0 Egyptians at qd. a 10d., 500 Laguiras, at 7d. a Bd., 1,000 Surat: at 4cl. a 6d., 500 Madras at sd. a sid., and the rest American from 61d. a Bid. per lb. About 3,000 bags of all sorts are on specuration. STOCKPORT REFORM DINNER. The following notices of ou te r report of this public de; monstration, taken without selection from a mass of a PaP et e r containing para gra ph s t o th e sa me effect, are a ll we well find room for : EXTRAORDINARY DESPATCH.—The Reporters for 2?, Sun Newspaper did not leave the Pavilion at Stockporthtil. near one o'clock on Tuesday mornin , . Their report ha to be written out at great length, to * be sent 180 miles e London, and to be returned 200 miles by the route o f the railway, and yet we had it here by four o'clock on Wedn es• day !—Manchester Times. THE .‘ SUN" ExPßEss.—ln another part of th e Chronicle we have given an abridged account of the ReformFesti;tiait; at Stockport on Tuesday last, extracted from The it. Newspaper published in London on the follow in g fliga This is indeed " rapid work," es pecially when we con; cider that when Mr. O'Connell finished speaking it ,vas of Oa as late as one o'clock on the same morning day on which the Second Edition of The Sun pas published in London ; and that, from the proceedings st l ,"_ sequently reported, the reporters could not have left la n ear Y e 103 M before two o'clock ! The speeches, &c. occopY nine columns of The Sun, and were taken down by, th re reporters. Mr. Young's spirited exertions are deservi gic; the utmost support ; and we joyfully acknowledge tb. source whence we have derived the account we have Pu lished of the dinner,--North Derbyshire Chronic le. THE SUN E X P RE S SES .—By one of those extraordinaryo and well-planned efforts, which have for many years g iv • e s The Sun so decid e d a pre-eminence over its cou tem p orarie in the transmission o f i m p or t ant an d interesting intelliecs throughout the Unit e d Ki ng d om , th e readers of that jeur; nal were presented on T ues d a y even i n g with a lengthef2:u I " r . report of the Grand Reform F es tival at Stockpo rt. O'Connell did not conc l u d e hi s s p eec h, of which a rep or t is given in The S uu , b e f ore one o ' c l oc k on Tuesday mo.i ; ing' ; and at six o'clock the same evening, we find a full account of the p rocee di ngs , cons i s ti ng of six closely - g rin columns, published in London, a distance of 184 miles froal the spot where they took place !—Leicester Chron icle. " THE SUN" EXPRESSEii.—By one of those extraordinarl and well planned efforts, which have for many year s give° The Sun so decided a pre-eminence over its contemporaries in the transmission of important and interesting intellig.en ce throughout the Unit e d Ki ng d om , th e rea d er s of that jour: nal were presented on T ues d a y even i ng w ith a lengtheoed h report of the Grand R e f orm F es ti va l a t St o ckport, to tvbric Mr. O'Connell was invited, w h en u p war ds of 2,C00 11 , e1 h T s mers dined together. M r . O'C onne ll did not concl ude speech, of which a report is given in The Sun, before one o'clock on Tuesday morning, and at six o'clock the 811° : evening, we find a full account of the proceedings, consistfe of six closely printed c o l umns , p u bli s h e d i n London , a u ` s ; tance of 181 miles from the spot where they took Pl s u ce i ; Owing to the scarcity o f eng i nes on t h e Li ve rpool and Bid mingham Railway, an ex p ress cou ld not b e h a d by this rap..- conveyance ; but the l oss o f ti me th us en t a iled WAS co derably diminished by th e a d m i ra bl e arrangements Illade along the line from Stockport to London, a considerable PI: tion of the road, though unusually deep, on account of h eal :t rains, having been gone over at the speed of 16 miles an h ou. —The .Philanthropist (Birmingham). PORTUGUESE BONDS. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Sir,--The period of the dividends on the Portuguese Five per Cent. Bonds b ecom i ng d ue (I st prox imo), is , rapidly approaching, and th e h o ld ers , o f course , are e at !. rally alarmed at the prospect of " no effects" s taring til e r_ in the face. Rumours are seemingly afloat, of a desire o n too part of the Portuguese Government, to attempt to PIP o up their credit by an issue of paper, instead of money , „ I . payment of the dividend warran t s , v i z ., d e b e ntures , .v promises to pay the dividends at a future period, with fa terest. The holders of Sp an i s h B on d s h av i ng re cently ha t experience of the inefficiency of that seeming to do, but no doing, kind of stop•gap, it behoves the Portuguese e re ; ditors to be on their guard, against being deceived by mit e a puerile, unnecessary, and t rou bl esome attemp t to 1 08 " nothing appear something, as would be the result of e% c i changing one piece of paper, viz., the original divic len „,, warrant, for another pi ece o f paper , ' yc l ept , Treasuu Bond, to say nothing of the additional expenses of gen , and paper wasted in the exc h ange ; a ll o f w hi c h, o f courS e must be borne by the Portuguese Government, and eon' sequently increase their liabilities. The simplest mode that suggests itself would seem to be, that all Governments 11:1 ; able to ply the di v id en d s on t h e i r b on d s w h en d ue , s hould promulgate a dec ree th a t t h e y w ill b e pa id as soon as mean s are raised, and that the dividend warrants shall carry.iv terest at five per cent., from the time of their becoming due, until the time of payment, which would allow thl holders to keep po ssess i on o f t h e i r or i g i na l paper for paid, and avoid the exp ens i ve h ocus p ocus o f exc h ang ink• it TT ether paper—not mo re va lid, if even so muc h so . The Stc' e r: Exchange, would a l so d o we ll to i m i tate t h e pa rt; Bourse, as regard s th e i r d e t erm i nat i on a b out t h e Spin" g Bonds, viz., to re cogn i ze no d ea li ngs i n B on d s unless 911 the unpaid dividend Coupons be annexed thereunto. I am, Sir, your obedient servant, London, Nov. 8. J. C. SPORTIN G INTELLIGENCE. TATTERSALL' S-YESTRAIDA r. THE DERBY. The Room was better attended than for the last eight or ti s a , days, and business, without b e i ng e ith er h eavy or interesting, _ be sutfieiently definite to admit of a quotation on the Derby. 7, ( 1 only movement worth alluding t o was on th e co b we b co lt, reP°ri ; last week to be amiss, but now ascer t a i ne d t o b e i n regu lar t fe w, 12 to 1 taken about him. The f o ll ow i ng were t h e " sa lec noticed in the course of the afternoon :- 9 to 1 agst Mr. J. Day's D'EgTille—taken 12 to 1 agst Lord Jersey's Cobweb colt IS to 1 agst Mr. E. Peel's The Early Bird—taken are° 20 to 1 agst Sir J. Mills's V o l un t eer —t a k en, an d a fterVi offered 20 to 1 agst Lord Exeter's Marinella colt—ditto 40 to I agst Mr. A. Smith's Cracker—ditto 40 to 1 agst Captain Berkeley's Bullion—take 50 to 1 The Hippodrome Races and Steeple Chases take plac e ' 9' Thursday and Saturday next. There will be coursing on FridaY* MANCHESTER.—FiIsAr Ercwro. .rreter's colt by Sultan, brother to Cactus, and _ for Pees lon, by Cain, have eac h d rawn th e most mar k e d f a vour od some days. At 20 to the Sultan colt wou ld b e b ac k e d to a amount ; and lon is strong in the market at from 18 to 20 e t he Mr. Day's horse remains leade r , a t 9t o I. Th e f o ll ow i n g at average prices :- 9 to I agst Mr. J. Day's D'Egville—offered 11 to 1 agst Lord Jersey's Cobweb colt—offered 16 to 1 agst Mr. E. Peel's The Early Bird—taken 16 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Grey Momus 16 to 1 agst Mr. Coombes's Cobham 17 to 1 agst Mr. Armitage's eolt, out of Nonplus's dam 18 to 1 agst Colonel Peel's lon—take 20 freely 22 to 1 agst Mr. Bland's Young Rowton 22 to 1 agst Sir J. Mills's Volunteer 25 to 1 agst Lord Chesterfield's Bamboo 40 to 1 agst Osprey—take 50 freely THE OAKS. 10 to 1 agst Lord Jersey's Sister to Glencoe 9 to I agst Mr. E. Peel's Ninny 10 to 1 on the field, bar these two—offered Lord E: THE DERBY. Colonel COURSING. THE LIVERPOOL (WATERLOO) CLUB. The Subscription s f or t h e great pr i zes to be run for a t , the meeting have filled. A mongst t h e su b scr i bers are so me °A most influential members of the Wiltshire and Scotch Clubs. We regret to hear that it is the intention of Sir Rowland 9; after this present Hunt Meeting, to give up his Fox Houn ds ' et,' finds his health will n o t a ll ow hi m t o b e w i t h t h em , an d the an si o A consequent on his not bei ng a bl e t o d o so, h as o bliged bun II) reluctantly to take this step. ANGLO-INDIA Ns—The popular author of ya lage Reminiscences" is a b out to present to us a novel viO cl ' r will describe the caree r o f the returned East Indians , unde r the title of " The Nab o b' s Wif e. " Wh en t h e vicissit ude and the strange ad ventures which frequently befal thos e v" . 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