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J) L IAL PA P, LIAM EN T. 11-Qt; S P E F, R S. 'TUESDAY, MAheil t 9., ?At. heard.before time Corril tit t f privileges in vindit,ationcriho cq • their irftTelTerttlV Dukes of (,; teruessitaiNo.a.x., (~11. A kI&HCF , KENT, &C. to Vole at the E let.tiort o l rich' Peels. SV hen the Learned' Counsel' cloietthir argument, Lord !AMER. tcx rose to caner...lllk Protest against certain assertions made use- of by the'Leartied detniil, to the eff6et, p, 'that Ireland should' betonsidered as a conquered Coutary, and that it vvai, :Vdthleridant State Upon grand The Tit Is on Table were 'forwarded a Stage each. Lord 'SUFF . ...)I,K, a, Noble -Secre tary , (Lorlll U y ),.begged ,to be informeil,by whe-, . titer, in the Papers- moved. by a •Ntlble \'iscuuot (Mf EL. • VI EL it was litteltdect to bring fotwhirda Stidcirt . ent , P(Alle, comparative expenceot building Ships id .W ay of 0 .1 •4 11 : 1 1Pi tics in the King's Yards, and in the,i'vlercbant's, : It WWI ;:ssetted in a lattilla4trWAltatlll'ititt bAtilt in the.Kilig t s., l lards cost nn more than 211 per lattiL‘fillilq:lll,on,COriStrUaeti 10 the Silerchto , ,ts' Yards cost per ton no less than 361, This • • • anentir,mocts itatitton Lit expetkce,,and should be minute- i ly`irltiuirrd late. ifillr,k/ENBURY observed, that he could not take op o n jiirri,,,,,accorstely to answer the question of the Noble Lotli; Wos 'not acquainted= mit the official details of the poard rit'Adirtiralty ; but when the Noble Viscount who pre., sided at that Hoard was present, he no doubt would at, au in his, power to titrird the Noble Lord the information he re quired. IRISH it()mAN cATtiot3cs., .....- L , d -OftlEM'ILbE rose and gave notice, drat Jie abotildori' Monday pextp resent a Petition tra'the House from a respia /ante holy of i is Miqesty!s Stilkieds, thee Human Clattiolio of Ireland. The subject tit his miod vvas of such iroportance," In:it he thought. it his duty to , give' au early notice' even of the day on which the, Petition would be preSe.ntvd, not that lae intended on that day to oiler anyobservationS to their Lord shipsohat were likely to create discussion ; that discussion , mii.;ht.beentercillompititi,piore remote day ; and it, tvas far trent' his wish previously to stare any matter that he conceived to be of a nature-to lead to aiiy premature discussion. • 1 11),;TICh 1.0;`{.. The Order of the, )ay b,•ni,c; rea,L • Laid 44L1C1C.445V) rose ontsuant to the notice he gave` List Weele, of his intenion to sithunt Molicos„to their , I,ordshiPs.irespeaiint the mode of , proceeding, adopted - 7iod ;riled upoo by their Lordships,. in the case of Ms., FoX. The object hi3 iiist s and oerhapc the only, tote ht Nhaultivres:: ,loon the iloisiti, would.he the gpx, pomrinent of a Committee to-inquire into Precedents where wr.;oo had beau accused by art individual Peer on his own : , simple Mr.ti,on, and that trout m ,i,ter:whiehhe professed to flay! *colfeeterl from the reports to p.:rsoits out ot doors, and to ascertain howl tar the flouse had, proce.eded .in i tbe l ttc. • cusation of arty person on such grounds The other Nlotiotts of w bleb he had {svelte erotica might •not, .indix,l,, Ito uecet. rotry, if the first was ace:,itiett' to. ,qrho- Nome 1,.0,4;.th0t i ,,,,eaeded- to:instance a variety of precedents, ;01 of, which, lie t.t..;,tottied, went to that qietticOof, ,proceeding their Loid ;hips hail No , it Pro Ever since . ;t.,,iitte Ci klitiry IV. Ito sa:Co'sati ,. .)n had been proceedo ii.„ Ott Citt: ,CiriGe'ot i,di,id 1 , 4 1,-ror, vot, ~t ~11,/ record or written Ni n ' Indeed- , he Might , - riet any or Leartien PAM. , to adduce a precedent' to tootr:-.ry iii the Wog period of Rlur hondred years down tee )o.o.elit day, 1 h , "..ir eonSttlt.. tricit , own dignity and th , it/ ul lir toolt,,ti,.:e of,Parliarrmitioas "s-I aa forward ti. , , is of pi,:oce, by instituting the ln. • no ry, ronft;:. ,i retihcellligh , to tor ate theorin for:path ' th,;:.:41t00141 plat ilc pr46e,iiit ~.. ........A;G it WS HOW vai4.en up, it cool I. • o-ronglit sly s j ti , ,Slfatlory issue, or ould only • •,, •.% and turn i f t the I hi; 4, ~•tt cii. v uxatiori, 4teltay l And, ex,- lit that • particuiarty*,ith a'4lew to amt the dignity SIHLI • Lit, he trusted theY \vOii • p, w se,- . 1 -,nri irtced any furthtr in their • preAt "ir.otte'of prc,ctcil r 14ohie Lent onnelitiled-witti nialtin4 his tirst Moitun tar tilt: Corrunirtee to search for pre. ,• TL:‘' LORD f',': iNC,E,/./...0R, as soon as, he had pur the qv esti , :inft , x.pltti4ted at muci; lengrh • i ' ' ' e,:,*the Ot;d:ext!.:. which their torri4iffirt • v.t , ,,re en,' • • II!' •. c,ttel,CeS with whik'ft' • i t irog t :t.. i feel 'a more. Welty' irocrect than hi. .;,e lodges, and in the tti`i r 111 , Law of the Lapd,...-. Nor t'oeie 7.'lT „ , ran tO , whorri a great. ma i, • ~ut oatictot,,ories Were so tbrwitoi to The , Noble -Lilo! : , , or , ding could only , t Lei.,! • , fledor one' • -.• • • • - „yours would not • • , ;• 1, substantiated T „. •• 1, 11'Able I.:i it i t alipeore4'as jle , ; •,. t. could' bemade ~• r• orlde on concerned; the IltxtiSe • lot to send a judge in with any stain upon his . . which the Nohle t -ooto.:e .•„ printed to scarett for, not fie ~., it 1 1 1 .iytot present case. MI those , • HAI the•Ni,Ole Loid referred were previous to thee Act ::iii era and could out touch upon thecondition in ;A: lutt t t s oozy stood and as tor incceitent•.; since t i 4 .l se4fCli cuahl 'find ally, for none ill :L',ll !. The Motion of the Noble Lord was consequently without ally object; . or, if it produced, any eifixt all, `it• *cold only add to the vexatiol, delay, anti ex pence, of , winch the Noble Lord seeincci to v41 ;1 113111, G 1 EAT 1.1,4 E said, that he 'paivetl fear tome tircie bet* ,re he rt.soiv , d to offer f to ilwir Lord:l6l)s on the poooot Ile W. 15 t,eosible As the Noble and 0,,‘1141 be of lin; imputtar.t.e of the 13'064x:3111 ' Which the was employ ; out lie COltid'ilet come to ru prolePt a tiecie: lol . of the qu0: , C441 as the Nithle and Learn. (...A 1, 4 a mion tic etta,bleti to do, front his long' ea perience in such trotters, and the. txlol4ho ratige of his' tegal acquire . eotots, 'Oast, the same talvaittages titigltt be anxious to :,apply the ticticiency by know ledge of pruceetlitoo that might throw tight upon the Inquiry. Those he fled heard this night Made a strong iinOrcasion upon his and res u lt, It ail fe.el the more desirous 'to inquire into it mote. The !':able' and Learned Lead seemed to argue as it an Address h . 441 already been inoved, hit no such Nintifni h a d been in.,de tip to rite, present hour. The . llouse was ICI t in s gate O'inttectsinn ; rci he doubted riot but .in inquiry into phoo-Ntents might eitahle their Lordships positively to Wider. tt4p! Whetjtee, inA.uif.:e, they were at - tiro 11,treealily to or cutitr;,ry to the raw. Lord ia/lURY rose to oppose the Motion. With r..gard to the.precetistits acidut,,ed by thief I±lolllo. 1,4“1, he coti, ajdered them ei.ltit4y.itx.-- , levßtit to the question h.tfore the I louse. o . ..ied entirely •with the Noble Lord, that jpii. o ho moo., if. attached any indi ,.• , ,LL l • • ; l i m i t l ; was lint 01',41 tc, ) I, , erc ' teroovable pLe-: , :otte of t 0..; o the carne hetanner v.. or 1.1cr;;u11 , , oftiLial situ. t tit‘y t i w ir, a jfic eo . ; .111f1 110:y could s.ich Oji `..,11,1041 coruphOnt viras nr Seine irr.asure the there, ovaarto precedriiit, as Since4be past log 1,11;0:4 ifita•o4;vatt , ;(l to foim one. The N im i t , L o ,4,,,l e f ei vted ;Ira itgard. to Mr. tut - nice Fox,.and coricluded by repeating his determination to oppose • .Itte , 14„4 ion. ord Stcuesat , soppoated the ME , Oon of. his, Noble Friend. lit: - rotted opoo Nohle I.6rdi,on the eAfier side, to sav, tire' A,3 fi c r,i Fourth had, or ;Lao i;Ot, b;:S.I Vit)» fated ity the proctedlogs thi:. sithjea. Lord M ' c lot; o s, iu reply to the: Noble Lord, contended, too the A ck of ticnry the f ourth had, riot beet, Niolated lay t i pr,,,:etriings on tins subject. As there tycrp pr t ,c o oen'ts to I) , finorl which bare on. this stibje4 flit buuld certainly uppo4e. th.; pf ' a CetTnnittee hz,urch ti o • tt oon . C A R.l. I 0 s u pported the Motion, Vord fiLLE.NBOR ()ZlG'', in a speech of some length, de. fi : oocrl tha-;!lotion ornii Noble friend. fie 'denied the as. ,gttion of the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack., that the House r e f Peers had not the full right to inflid punish rfirAlt Ori those Whom they found guilty of errs!-pratitices Arid goo ted the Ca..~:. of Lord Mitltileron - and Lord liaeoti in sop o'Or tof his oploion. It was a Matter of honesteaultation to .Wtri in the prvtc.situin WhiCh he was engawd r litat front • the passing of t11.4t ACI, of which so much had brm said; arot.wiii._llWaS upWard.i of it tentitry ago, not a single Jo. ancediati tact:true:fin which:the of a fudge had dbred, it it subj‘et t alisoute. The Lt.,,ned.Lord repeat his •tv s it that ;HI wipachircht 'had bozo instittired, anti eilleted notes e:Xatnithation Of the various / Statutes relative to 4toi talk& i ' altti concluded by expressitig Ins determination, the question, to v;to for the appoin tment of such a COM, . at,Cl ill 11te.i I !Laic Revert, Mr. Fordyce,' as Receiver mittee. , i, 4 4 , L - a ss F .- , Ibe LAD fl EL.LaS ex net t, ava ;I-, lied fort 1 a G" e(3l a the L:". 1 i 140" Scotland, .4... was ktatki :1 J feri words in - ion.trolt` Lor , l' a l• rg i . ' n't*. tic H. , t i‘ o t ..lle ,er i: d t::f t a:l t t i e th r t t ai o e t p h o e rri p , , u e n re t . 3 0 p 1 ; ?.61a4'..;:. tArd Ti re epeate . all - cl ° ' t) a 1 s . tat i e t rn i et i s h.ad'urge4ip • •co u enceth e . De l e, di de9l; i tingl ~:,-; . , t ► ... t , ,A* ttiat he Karl heard no ingto in churl to . ktt hiri ` l td ..,,Stl) !! e t , r ot Mr. tar4*. of his having onneek. nion, divided the House on the question, when there ap. - .; Nikso, i., coo,equence of the indulgenee of the - .Lords • geared -- of the. Tr,A-..kry, 1n . p.17 30,0001. in the following For Lord A. ITCK LAN e's Motion - - - 17 . - . i,.. , . ...m rstl y t at. t .t ..;- ~ , , , t, - ,, _ .--trorm- 1 r..29.4.0..........* . May. 1t) crini.... mutt . hefure., rite __ l ntk j o f A k e.: f o i,,, Majority . . TA On the Motion of the Dolce of Ct. Alt Etid * ; Ole Horse was,.surnmorted for Tuesday next • Bit; Royal Hi.gliness de- Mari ' his intention of Making a 'Motion - fouhded'on ME ra.:. ors tom the Comodssionertior Naval-. Intotty . . ' J. d ioVv l ea l Y t ra *l fi e iz i ,t i t li n (la ne m ,, ll at i t t lo ß rd il e l ac w d a L M 0,4)19 1 1910.i -- 4.4j9v$ 1 0.!.- , , 4 b b ro e u i g e h i t d t a "ro s m cco t l l l i d e , ... HOUSE OF COMMONS. TUESDAY:, MARCH 19. - CAVetiDI s is Bit Ao 5 nis. lov, F.yq. too.L . the oaths and his eat for Haniten. .. Sir WILLIAM YOyNo moved, That the Aecoupts of the Ships and their.Totinage for .6 mt. Britaih and Areland, en gaged in the Wesr.lndia Trade, be printed,--9riteredi . ! Sir Tall! 'A rt nl: 12. 6oN brought up the Loudon ; illikeriie Al. low-anee Bill. t6::acl a first time, and ordered to be...read a . seconu time to•ttiorroVV, : . PRINTERS. . '''.` J . ~ , . Sir OHN AND eRSON presented a Petition , from certain . Master ?rimers of the City of 'London, prayingleave to ',resent a Petition On the subject of the Disputes now subsisting between their .Work men and'them. ' The . Hon. Member stated, that 'they should not have negleaed to prefer their Pe. fition within the time limited for receiving private Petitions if the Dispute had arisen previous thereto. The Petition was received, and Sir JOHN ANI/ER sow presented -a second Petition, which stated the .advantages that had resulted to the Trude and Can. merce of . the Country from the exertions of the Pr(nters in' their business ; that the Master Printers wereillowed a rate of profit, proportioned to the wages of the men ernployed.by them, of which ;here . we re -twO descriptions, Compositors .and Pressmen ; that their rite of wages had been fixed accottling to' a . regular.Scate , in 1736, at which it continued till 41 year 18Q0, when the, last addition had been s pide.to it in ciisCtitte.nce of the high price of 'Pro. visionli ; that these Wo i rkmen had lately made ex orbitarit dethands of an advance, which the Masters could-not .agree to istithout raising the prices of the differ.;ra article.. , and that, within the last month, they had altogether left their work, whereby great delay was occasioned in the publication of several public works, and periodical publications, to the great : detriment of Ilse Revenue, and the Petitioners had rnustained Arkat loss,, which was highly augmented by the difficulty of engagirt , Apprentices, and the impediments thidwn by Workmen. in the way of taking AftffidtCtetr.,.' Petitioners, therefore, humbly ' submitted it. tu , tit'ett 11,';nourable. House, that if they were allowed to take Apprentices for a shorter pe.. rind thilti tilw. alloWed by law, and unlimited -in number,. no Stich, evil as, the pieent could , possibly occur hereafter. _The Petition was referred to a kwing i tnontli s t, arid the. ekning 24,0001. by in. stalm'n "is of spool.' per year.. Th t ertext mention thavarreared- of him , was. in the attpisttoftlll2,.. when he appeared to be in arrears 90,0001. and not withstanding the amount of his debt to the Ptiblit, he had been still permitteerto hold his place as Re ceiver Generalottlie. Land-Tax ; ,and here it was necessary .to call the attention of the House,to the extrilordinary statement that had been made by Mr: 'Fordyce to the Commissioners in 1182, that 'all his property had been conveyed to Trustees fist the Treasury, to cover his.default, and that he had been suffered to retain his place, subjea, however, to the direetion of the Lords of the:Treasury, and of the 1. trd Advocate of Scotland. The experi. ,`ence of twenty years had proved, that neither were to be, relied on. Since that period, only )30001: - had been paid in ,February, iSoo. A sum of Bo,oooi. remained due, and nO payment had been made, no steps takes - ) by the Treasury, though pressed thereto by the C:finirtittee in 1802, and the the .Committee of Finance, in t 797; He had heard that Mr. Fordyce possessed a huge estate, which afforded him a qualification for a seat in that House, which seat he had lost by, having been proved too lavish of hit money at the eleetion. Why bad not the Lords , of the Treaaury applied the :rents of this estate ' pay up his arrears ? He' would be as • backWatd as any 'man to prornote'peisecotion, but there were limits to clemency, ants. it ; should,be •etilletied, that this money had been taken out of the ricketi of the SAO; particOlTtrly whin hey were l a yiny taxes upon the most necessary articles of their subsistence. Besides, M... Fordyce h;d other means 'of paying; he , had a place of emolti. ment. No blame was to he imputed to Mr. For dyce in this reaped, but to the„Ministers, vvh0,,144: 0 forced him into the criticism of the ought to have kept him alit of any place of respnrici:, sibtlity conneCirdwith the Reirenne„ as the .Noble Person had done who had. removed I,:i pt from office but, sensible of his having been a defaulter from misfortnne, had promised him a place, but uncon. •neeted with the Revenue. What: would'that.N'ohle, Person'think vow, if he saw that Gentleman em. Ployed in a situation of bight re s pnkihility f or ma .. naging the.Civii Department of . the Navy—if he heard the psesent . Cia'AraciLLott Of the EXCHII 7 (211 tit[- represent him as the fittest person fot that office ? The Hon. Member then stated, that there was ,an aCcuMulation of interest ftir five years, atnounting to twenty thousand riunds, which he adverted to, because no notice had been taken of it by the : Lords of the Treaspry. As to the irnyro. priety of employing this Gentleman, though' he had at first intended to submit a Resolution to the House . on that head, ice was disposed to wave 'it for. the .present. The Hon , urable 'Gentleman next ad. vetted to the beneficial labours , and exertions of the Cemmissionere of Naval Inquiry, whose - pop gestions, if followed up by Parliamentary measures, had been represented by a gallant Admiral (Admiral: MAttKIIAM) as likely to save ore third of the gx. pence of . the Navy. He ehargecra, more chin dn. biota hostility to the Parliamentary Board and Mi. nisters, and an intention to transmit its fur:Akins, to the R.,yal ciiminbision, Which 'was not subjedt to ,the er:ntroul of ?arliament ; and ,concluded -by moving, That aComrriittee be appointed to eXa.: Mine and inquire into the Property of Mr. Foidyee, whether it / was a Security , to the Public fur his Debt and for a ‘ variety of other Inquiries relating to the steps that had been taken by the Lords of the Treasury, the Sums that had been paid, and tlie'Pre'l; sent amount ache Debt. _ • • The Irish glielion Bill was, on the motion of Mr. TrOVVE - t;ordered to be read a second tittle on Monday next. The Sitil WilS read a tiara time ard passed. ; • .. • l he Exchequer Bills Bill: was reported , to be read a third time. tomorrow 4,0160 the Itisll Spirit Wareb - Oo,ing l ilf. at the 'Bat', acquainted the House . that . His Majesty had'been waited upon with the Ad. dresslot a CoPY of the Commission appointing Duke. of Athol Governor of the Isle of Man, and had bien griciothly pteaied to give diredions accordingly. Mr. Lose; then presented a Copy of the Commission ;. which was ordered , to lie on,. the Table On the Motion 'of . MG SrEELE3 Loyd John , . Thynne's Indemnity Bill was read a second time; passed a CUrninit tee, and ordered-to be engrossed. Lord John Thynne's Indemnity Bill was read third time and:passed. . MG FO)TERt having moved the Order of -the Day for a Committee •on the Irish 'Excise Duties Sii-'IOIIN NEWPORT expressed a wish that the Right lion, the CHANCELLOR of the ExcrtE.. QUER. stionli defer his important Motion, relative. to•the Militia, to some future day, in order to allow Gentlemen. an opportunity to discuis the Itish :Taxes. The. Bills had been brought in on,,Sa . turday, a -day on which the House seldom sat, and had been-read a second time yestetday. Be had himself . given early notice of his intention 'to take the lime of the House upon - these Taxes`, but he had been told that the Committee • was the proper stage for that objeB to be prosecuted. He hoped, ,thelefore,' that the. Committee .would be allowed time to enter into the discussion; The SpRAKER informed the Hon'. Member, that whenever any Motions were noti , 3a for a particular day, the piaelice of the (louse liad been to deftr the consideration of any Orders that might lea. 4 to.dis— cussion, in order to give - Gentlemen an opportunity of bringiig forward their Motions, , Mr, lios.rEtt withdrew his Motion. T.he CH4trcELLott of the. Excrisquatt tlitO •stated, 'that When he had flied his notice for this, day, it had been in the contemplation of the Motion :of “it Hon'. Member (Mr. CituLtre - v), whom he did not , s aelheri -in his place, having, precedence c-f, it. Citcumstanetes,. hovvever, rendered it desirable for him to,postpone his Motion to Thursdaynext.— , Besidea,hftshought it important not to impede the • progreas cif certain Bills. now on the Table, colarly the Additional Legacy Duty Bill, Mr. Fox gave notice, that on Monday .next sitoold present to the House the Catholic Petition. 'Mr, CREEVEY, pursuant to -notice, rose to submit his Motion to the House, relatiVe to . the Arrears-due by Mr. Fordyce. It appeared from the . RepOrts on the 'Vable, etia( this Gentleman was in debt to the Public, to a considerable amount.— ; The °Nett of his Inquiry,* therefore, was to ascer. wbether . the property in this. Gentleman's pos. session was: a accurity. to .the Public foe the - final payment of his debt—whether any steps had been ,taken by the L-tds of the Trea - sury for the recovery thatof . debt—What sums, it' any, had been paid, and what was the reason of the delay in-adopting sieps' to "enforce payment ? Tho. House w ou l d re collal, that, in the year t7Sc., a Committee had 4 aooointe4 to inquire irt:o the Poblic Accountv,, sums in dcht by the failure of Agents, ansi from that ' sour no Balances had been in hand upon which inte• rest could accrue. He had been treated with for. bearance, and that forbearance had been continued. to him, first, because his 'default had arisen from inisfOrtune ; and, secondly, because rigorous mesa sures would have ruined him, and thereby have pre, ..y.itfromed the Public from receivithose pay w rnen,..- hell esou d pre ` state'. Triel4On. M;1311- ber had represented the arrear of Mr. - FOONee as i gaiM°L.:lll4a4-beell more-,,:but,'was soon reduced - tplhat Willi Before ,11,37, 20001: had been paid out of his sepa . rate poperty, and since 80001,-- `chere were 2703001. dui; on bond within the pre. sent year, a i,oool. before the 2 5th of this month, the remainder in July, except 40001. in Decent. ber„ He had beiides,- by his talents, genius, Ald Industry , w h ich had been of advantage to did Public, acquired additional tneans' of paying his debt ; and . he put it to the candour of the - felon. Mover , or of any Honoulable Gentleman near him, Whe• then, in a case : of such misfortune , it would 'h a " been right' to press bins ,rigorously. The sums he had acquired by his employment had been ap plied, not to his use, hut to 11 ' t v C- ff his arrears,. Upon n t a t g hle a s in e st g t r h o e un p d re i :e - present, or ment, for having employed.. this Gentleman, nor any round for Parliamentary interference. VI all knew, the amount of his debt in 1797 , jr a nothing was so easy :lilac any Member to ina' c l, That there be laid befeire the House an Account 111 steps that had been taken, and the amount of the Sums that bad been paid,' of 11 ,' e fisar7annyo reason of coin. due. After which it would be compatene to al" _far an Inquiry; if any Gentlemen should thin• l e - theri necessary. He should himself trove for Ott iminttant Docments. The 4,6001. ongl ir 1 4 to be charged 'to Mr„Fordyce,. and as old A t h i l other failures,, there were effeeti that w ` 4l " • finally available. : - ;Mr. Fordyce too . had an carats in the Island of Qrenada , 'which yilded two bu n ; dyed hogsheads de itiga r annually, and woul d h 4 , 1 1 1. been subjea to his arrears till the calamity l'i i, had called for the indulge Gce and' aid n aglilm t e f ilt ,i t , to to produEtive, favour of the suffterers.; The es t a te ti 39 now : bi- 1, 1 0 Hon. OentlefilirCtri:the forbeataiice of Gove rn „ m i l l ho , 'but this cii-cumstance entitl ed i t , As ,to the appointment of Mr. Fortift e 7 sir i commission, it had been it the desire , 6 ' as , Charlee - . Middleton, with whom. he hod a`,, e 0 11.1 ' comptroller of the Navy, and every.or that :bear testimony to the merits- and abilitici w as l a Hon. Bart. The objea of the .Commissieb„walloit form a Digest . of the...regulations of the'auL i or Royal Yards, and3hey had no discretion oricina to obstrua any reform, and he l o oked oPa h ` 1 1 ,,,, t he proof of 116111:t?l - 6 - any prattical reform , t 'jc o ia• Hon. 'But. who-had fi rst suggested the Nov a ' ito yal mission of Inquiry was appointed • . to th e i ,i ge to t h t i Ih i y )ei i - Commission . ardjteiceoertporilch measures , ; eSgxnwit°hbtotaAehtlrgliefaugntrvßilo, having I . i t i t 'l r b : f l ec . i i a . i i n m: a i f v ) n e is t Gle a n i tt r x : y n , eat t 3 1 11. ti ti rE: tlP : 3l : nn s urY : ce o lish o g:g A .L!-111 d o bie 1 p :1: 0 1 3 11 : s Mr. who . what ground he considCred the Gencleinon ' ,lo ugh' ' the objeaof the Mation - isf his Hoo.F ilen b e caol c not to have been etatloy '.d. It was not but V' hflitein.3ll,hir;:ga ht ai h tl ac i m unworthy to trustePr I mo , cause" he : was in a situation of misfortune, a ° , 8 Nli• ocf6dinelpneinodieuinicewoans HapipiaMitlirtlYolyoonitoct Majesty's Ministers tnay atiggestioni to Government, and (nigh', 1 ,, t o f il'" have to repntt on such parrs as some 3 t 4ea t - i a Wa er ' ,that might be, he was sure, that no Inan vi '' in ott l of absolute ,subjetlion to the pOwer ei ' . itAu c/ ' o ° ti u g :l l d it, r , e' t P o ° C it lia i'v ra l a th er t it l ie at iii st e : C n o d n Y d rri o n : dnde n : f e:Pildiern;be'illidgict; i' `with Mr. Fordyce , o,- , forrner. He 4tad, not the honour 'of being I b i s lit' ieg a pentleadan' of talent,- ability, and ( a b,i' , :He tho.ught tiuuse ;oraght.he 0 1 ) 1 . 1 P he 10' but. he lead titt dau b ' ° me rit/ :HOti.'Frtend..for:having brought forwoa ` . O OO t h ' ) nest.' Nei th er' he'd Mr. Fordyce 11 0 1; r i ` n ortiP cOmplain . thai the - sobjea ,was agitate", 1010''', '1 ', as it- ialite-hirn-ao...opo,,rtunity of iris wllic,l thOse favourable: circumstances of hi' f ait ( 11 101 'i i *ere.'unknown before. Whether the.''' c o , t!li,,e.laid before the Ilause',by Motion , nr as s to t h ' un it t h 4 i or the. inquiry of a Cointuitiee, arty , r ,, iota t (tame thing ;- he should therefore not Julio , A ito trot t' . prOr.sition cf the Rightlion. Gentl e ~ n ( t r li r il t r ! He was inclined to agree in the ol'iniPii'isfortunii r eate.ol-Mr..Feirdyce 'WO if case Of pelt r 5 be of c had himself a recolkaion ••50 well,' “',,,,--- of ti'l eventsecOlrX iliiii.clilig -filar, wall go , h ,, ' '3 f.iiftlrer of ..the . EC'S , Agent, 'Cockburn' pc ' • , ~ For ) . JO4 , peen.so btrotloyrectirpfp;nded tOIN.r ;0 •, me . 0 i the'result of his teeolleaton ‘,Z ,.. ai, in -4 . ,,,; i i eau,' va , stiocas. afforded a ' ca se of very 11" th-foe 01 0 4 favour of Mr.'' Forityce„ As t( ) ' l '' . ' 'atitl bri Ill' Fordyce; the Bank er , , hili failure was 3 40 . e 0 t 4 O of nth' ant pfterir-arllrTtroduee :s ot lOW astonishing'. - it would be rattier Y01 . . 4 ' 00 08. 0 f.. • should he able to , speak` to the ciretoni , 10 r 0i , , bac,-..t tea,; had accidantally bapPetied afev! " 3 1^ . G,rticr t ro' over the Coil 01 a .Letter frau* l'i,` l ':, i bich '', rt o; . friend of'hiOn tbetwest iodi,ess,'," .0 0 11 ' ,i',''' leafed/that Abe, Receipt!' Of th e l i ef ',l. , ewid''' ' lf ',` terially falito tiff intconseqoence oi 4„ c e. io s:' fused cilia of . the-'failure or Mr - : Fnr: 7 . ,la 0,,1C' effect of . that failure was so g reat' 11 ''' ) , c iv,, „pa., a il o „ . Tressed by it in, so perceptible A i 4C 4; 1 ~,,$ l oll" Plenur es of ad. great a part of tb e ' Put' I lse ‘ 1 ` 3 .0 1 "1-"nder that a person in :Mr. i' no ) ii o,l l', l f T AOC , :01i . ~, f raifiered by it materially• 1 ( ' te j ili 4 se' .that. Mr. FAdyce c0 ,,,,, a 0 Ily c%e t) r , 6 04) , ' fo p 'make good ; hits deficiency, bur.that."t'ioote ti: l , it; t : of the times, particularly the b,"l:',,,enteact flit elf stances respeding Greliada, iwi l' ic • oson, i lle rangements from proceediog in t' s , 5 ,0101. ti was tO bealesired. . From what w 0 ,00 ! Pe g .: . was reason to believe, that in r 0 0 1) ‘, 0 1 ,0 '1 • bed Iv' le fVfl' every thing:lilac could be vi.'ss g .• o f 1 1 40 ~g! —it .wab therefore f o r th e ignei.itven to 1 , of f '; i i: that no interruption b iloold he'g i f •- o e sti 6 ita !it dyce's Management of MO ITICatiS . #, 01 1 0' 3y , IV , -arrears. T he rdets, however, to y vi c ea t ,: Lefore the House in a Parlia l ''' a ° l i t e fill:. cat,, Right Hon. Gentlentan had stat e t , c ote tif o ;i)K and promised to produce the 0 ,0 ue, c io o , , they were produced; the Hous e 11 f oto ju..ige of +Aliat Was pow. but OP TICt t ' ) . ~ .boeffortmheersGariventor,,„ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEII wished to call the attention of the House to the.ii-L'. tore of this transaction. Hen, Member had clanged the bbjett which he had hilt set out with, for he understood him to consider,tjae, eituatigtpof Mr. Fordyce as arising otak could state that it had not been thet.tipinion of the actual dovernpent that. had retr,,avO' him from of.l l ', fice that he was unworthy to be trusted, though they had declined-employing him in a situation eonnetted with the Revenue. . lie held no tip,ol, present...if - fa: had held a very laborious. Office' in. a Commission to inquire cnnc i errtin the tAnds' , ofte Crown, appointa at the .11;:t;aitce Ortliat.Hott:e his none hailAsten.subscribed to Reports made to the I.l.)use un,,thatilubjep,, and Parliamentary,measureS . had been grouped an such . lepers,. his th'en ti s k an Eiecuti,mofficefor carrying,these measures into effect, and had produc , d ps great_ a pra4tieal,reform . as had ever been efFreArd in any DTartment. Revenues, f)f Lands,.which then had 'been :cluced to . 60001. had, by his.management, been raised ,since to 400 pool. which would increase it? the, pre:. sent year, 444 in she course of a few years amount to some hundred thousands. This he stated to chew ; that Mr. 'Filrelyce was not i'person tinvvorthy to he treated, and that his. being arrear had arisen from 'misfortune only, - as,well as that the' Public had en j..iyed the benefit at his talents and 'services. - Hi, misfortune had arisen from the failure, sin three sac`. eessive instances, of his agents, one of.whpna had not been-o( his seleetion, but recontinendert,by,the late Lord itoCKINGEIAM, as Colleitor,Gemeral, . and therefore, in fairness, be, ought not to be tie. :countable .for the 14,000!. which now remained unsatisfied of his default. - Another tai4ure had arisen lrom the hankrUptcy of a hOuse in which. Mr. Fordyce had vested certain sums of money arising. .'from the sale of forfeited' estaies in Scotland, which under the ,Mt of 1770 he was made the medium fir . conveying to the Treasury. By this failure, which. happened a 'short time before he was removed from' his office, though it Ntlid . rioi add ennsidetably to his official 'arrears, he lost a aunt of 4.0,0001.. Urider tlirae CireWnsldnees, when addressing so, eolightened' an Assembly, and 'as the origin of this trans,ioion was historical, he trusted that the question would coo;idered without any view to party oiled, though the Hon. Gentleman, in the latter part of :.Feecil, fad arrared to give it that cOmplexion.• Ile - 11aci a right to consider the case of Mr, dy.ce as a cii4q of hardship, He had been left large