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RA JLWAY COMMITTEES. (YESTERDAY.) HOUSE OF LORDS. After the standing orders were disposed of, Their Lordships formed thmselyes into - a Committee on merits. BANDON AND BAWTRY RAILWAY. In this case the Committee decided that the preamble had been proved, but adjourned the case till Thursday for the engineer's report upon the crossing of levels and amending the schedule of tolls. CORK, MACROOM, AND KILLARNEY. The Committee came to a like decision in this case, and adjourned it for the want of the same evidence. BALLYMENA AND BALLYMONEY. This Bill passed through the Committee, and will be reported to the House and set down for a third reading. The Committee then, adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. GROUP VI. EDINBURGH AND NORTHERN. The Committee who have charge of Group No. 6 sat at twelve &clock, in the Court of Queen's Bench, Sir John Hobson chairman. The objects of the line are to make branches to the harbour of Perth and Pettycar, and to pass close to the town of Dysart by means of a deviation. The line came before a Committee last session, and se Bill was procured, but the line was prohibited to be made until the parties should procure the permission of the town council of Perth, as the branches proposed to pass through certain property, called the Inches, belonging to the Corp , ra- Hon of Perth. This approval the Company had now procured, and proposed to insert a clause in their Bill to that effect. A short time after the general ease had been opened, the Court was cleared, and on there-admission of the parties, The CitantstAN said, that as it appeared to the Committee that the parties were not in a fit state of preparation they would adjourn until Thursday. Mr. Sergeant BELLASIS said he was prepared to go on with the 1w :inches, and that he understood there would be no competition. The Committee agreed to hear the case, and the Learned Sergeant proceeded to state it. He placed a map before the Committee, by which he said it appeared that the branch to Perth did touch a corner of one of the Incites, which gave the Perth authorities a tom standi before the Committee. Mr. Granger, engineer, was then examined—He deposed that the proposed line of last year was objected to by Lord Rosslyn in con sequence of Its too close proximity to Dysart House ; but in the pre sent plan the line was altered so as to remove that objection ; it would be of great importance to all the lines to have the branch to Perth harbour made, and it was proposed to work it by horse power. The Seottish Central Company proposed to make the line from the harbour to the month of the tunnel ; this Company proposed to make the same line last year, but both were abandoned in consequence of its proximity to the Penitentiary. The Central Company had re aewed their proposal this year. . Mr. PiCKERING said he appeared on behalf of the Central Scottish Company to oppose this branch. Mr. Sergeant FiELLAsts said that no opposition could be entertained unless It came before the Committee either as a petition or a com peting line ; but the Scottish Central did not appear in either capacity. Mr. PICKERS/4G said that the Edinburgh and Northern Company had not, either by their Bill of last year or this, taken power to build their sonth-eastern station in the place indicated by the map. Mr. Sergeant BELLASIS said that he would withdraw the branch to the harbour, as he now understood there was a competing line ; but with respect to the other two branches there was no opposition. Mr. PICKERING suggested a postponement of the other branches for the present, as another Bill would come before the Committee which would materially affect the proposed position of the Perth termini and stations. Mr. Sergeant BELLASIS said his Learned Friend did not appear In any capacity against the other two branches, and therefore he would suggest that the Committee should dispose of them. The Committee then declared the preamble of the Bill proved, and agreed, at the request of Mr. Sergeant Bellasis, to postpone the con sideration- of the clausal until to-morrow morning. Mr. rICXERING said he would oppose some of the clauses. PERTH Ar.7l) CRIEPP LINE. A protracted discussion took place upon the question as to whether this Bill should be proceeded with to-day. The object of this line is to make a branch from the Scottish Cen tral Line to Blockford ; the length, 18 miles ; the branch 7 miles ; and the estimated cost 300,000/. The Committee finally agreed to adjourn the case till to-morrow. GROUP IX GRAND JUNCTION HARBOUR TERMINUS. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) The CHAIRMAN said that before the witnesses for the Grand Junc tion scheme were called, he wished to examine the Glasgow Har bour-master, respecting the three likes, as he understood he was in the roem. Mr. William Johnstone was then called and examined by the CuazassAN—He had been harbour-master for 17 years. Witness's evidence was in substance to the effect, that the general terminus, was decidedly superior to the other two. The general terminus would possess all the advantages without the disadvantages of the others. The Grand Junction was too high and the Harbour - Mineral too low. The general terminus was 1,202 feet below the present quay on the south side. In cross•exansination the witness admitted that last year he had been one to a report decidedly objecting to rails being laid along the quays, and also to coals being shipped at the same place with the general trade. He thought, however, that the general terminus was not liable to the objection contained in that report, as the latter referred to the crowded parts of the north side of the river. The evidence on behait' of the Grand Junction was then proceeded with. Mr. Binnie, land surveyor and builder, was called, aid briefly examined as to the value of the land. He set it down at about 33,7061., but 14,0001. of it would be available to be sold, and hence the real cost would be bat 19,7001. This estimate included the land for the depot, and also covered all damages done to property. No point of material importance was elicited by the cross-exami nation. Mr. Broome, contractor, was next examined. He atreed with Mr. Binnie's estimate of land. Witness had valued the works and set them down at 32,800/., exclusive of rails, sleepers, or chains. Mr. J. M'Culloch, was called, and examined simply as to the cor rectness of the previous evidence, which he corroborated. Mr. Gale, civil engineer, examined.—He said the present line was one of the best he could devise. It did not much interfere with the buildings in the neighbourhood, and those were buildings of an infe rior character. The gradients on the banks that approached the har bour were lin 110 each respectively. The gradient at the connexion with the Pollock and Govan Railway was one in 77; and that in connexion with the Barrhead and Neiiston line, was one in 63 ; the other gradients were very easy. The sharpest curve on the forks was a radius of five chains, and on the main line a radius of seven chains. These were not engineering difficulties in a mineral line. His estimate of cost was 61,681/., that would meet all expenses. In cross-examination witness said there would be no danger on such curves or gradients, as they would be worked slow. They might go safely at the rate of ten miles an hour. Horse power was proposed for traction along the quays. The Committee then adjourned at half-past four o'clock, till half past twelve o'clock to-morrow. GROUP XII. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) GLASGOW, PAISLEY, ICITAVIAILNOCX, AND .Ikl/17,, No. 111. (1...8.1Y1P1TS AND MESIVIAICA— Goixr LIZANCHES). Mr. Hope and Sir Thomas Phillips were for the promoters ; Mr. Austin and Mr. Gregg for the opponents. Sir T. PHILLIPS objected to Mr. Austin, as having no locus standi, his line not being a competing cue. • Mr. AUSTIN replied, and the Committee decided that the lines should be heard together. Sir Thomas Phillips then described the course of the lino from Kilmarnock to Strathaven. The length was seventeen miles, nine miles of which was through a rich mineral country. Tha estimated cost was 230,0001., and by it a connexion would be formed between the eastern and southera districts of Scotland, and the important ports on the west. Mr. John Hamilton, of Braehead, factor to his Grace the Duke of Portland, proved his Grace's assent to ne formation of this line, Ns Well was greatly calculated to develop the resources of the mineral country around Galston and others of his Grace's manors. The country was a very rich agricultural one, and studded with populous vil • lages, which would be greatly benefited by this line. For want of such accommodation, the goods from Galston, and other towns in Ayrshire, were obliged to be carted to Glasgow. Mr. Charles Brown, coach proprietor, Kilmarnock, said that four coaches left that town for the towns of l'ewmilus, Darvel, and Gal ston, and he calculated the passengers at about 30,000 a year. The passengers travelling by cars he supposed about from 9,000 to 10,000. There was also a large trade in agricultural prodnee. Mr. W. HENDIERSON, residing in Hamilton, said that 2,490 cattle were sent annually to Rntherglen, and 60 per week to Glasgow. There were lime fields in the district much used for agricultural pur poses. Mr. CitaisTlE proved that the minerals in the district through which the line was proposed to pass were of the most valuable character. He estimated the traffic in minerals alone at above 6,0001., which he conceived would be trebled in 10 years. Mr. William Anderson, traffic-taker, proved the returns of traffic between Strathaven and Kilmarnock. The total revenue in passen gers, goods, minerals, and parcels, was 16,3141. 18s. Bd. This closed the traffic evidence. Mr. James Horne estimated the value of land and Intersectional damage at 22,7001. Mr. Miller, C.E., said that the length of the line was eighteen miles. The estimated expense, including land, was 230,0001. The heaviest gradient on the line was one in forty-seven; and ho had but one level crossing, at a point where it was intended to place a station. It was intended to have the use of an assistant engine to propel heavy trains. The expense of working this line he calcu lated at 33X, per cent. He was certain that no better line could be lacd out. The table of assents and dissents was then put in. The Committee then adjourned. GROUP XIV. NOIZTU RENT. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) The CnammAN said that the Committee had decided to adhere to the practice of former Committees, and should ellow the North Kent line, when the time came, to produce any evidence they might please against the South-Eastern line. Mr. Vallence, cross-examined by Mr. GOLDs}fin, stated that he is solicitor to the Greenwich Railway Company. In 1844 he received a proposition from Mr. Vignoles, and a similar one from the South Eastern Railway Company. Was in possession of the proposition of the North Kent Railway before the South-Eastern Railway. Mr. Miller stated that he is a civil engineer, and has had a good deal of experience in the construction of railways. His attention has been directed to North Kent, with a view to the formation of a railway. Has examined the line of railway proposed by Mr. Vig rules. Thinks that it is laid out so as to meet the wants of the district. The stratum through which cuttings will have to be made is favourable. Tile estimates made by Mr. Vignoles appear to He amply sufficient for the work. The line passes within 180 yards of a powder-mill, but did not consider that it is dangerous. Is constructing a line In Scotland which passes much nearer to a very large powder mill. The Lord Advocate has examined that part of the line, and, aided by competent advisers, has pronounced it to be quite safe. By Mr. Arsnx—Went down to view the line on Saturday morn ing, and returned on Sunday evening. If the work of the line is of the kind inserted in the estimates, the prices are amply sufficient. The line he is constructing in Scotland passes quite close to the powder mils on both cuttings and embankments. Mr. Locke stated that he had been over the North Kent line, and had examined It rather particularly. Is of opinion that the line is very well laid out, and passes through good soil. There is no diffi culty in the works, and the estimates appear ample far the works to be executed. Ifi:iiOCTCBURN, who appeared on the part of the South-Eastern Railway-11as examined the line about three weeks ago, and was engaged two days in the survey. There is some clay on the surface of the soil, but not much. It does not go to any depth. Balton hill is the place where the heaviest works are on the line. The gradient on the North Rent line there is 1 in 132, but it is worse on the South-Eastern, where it is 1 in 80 or 90. By Sir W. RIDDLE (who appeared for the promoters)—The works near the fortification at Chatham are rather expensive, but ♦ery sub stantial. ,Tames Henry Andrews stated that he made some boring near Balton-hill, to examine the strata. On the west s!de of the hill was nine feet of yellow clay, then twenty-seven feet of black clay, then six feet of sand, a thin layer of sandstone, a thin layer of gravel, six feet of blue sand, seven feet of red sand, twenty-three feet of sharp sand, and forty feet of blue sand. The total depth of the shaft was 121 feet. _ gicai line)— strata. By Mr. ALEXANDER (who appeared for the South-Eastern cata. , Has been occupied before in boring through geol o sunk two shafts with a distance of 5-B ths of a mile between The depth of one shaft was 121 feet and . the other 100 feet. PeoTlt shafts are in the centre of the proposed tunnel. In the eastern tunnel there is on the surface four feet of yellow clay, sixteen feet of black clay, seven feet of white sand, live feet of veiny sand, five feet red sand and sandstone, seven feet of sharp red sand, one foot of iron stone, fifteen feet of sharp, clear sand, and thirty-el:lit feet of blue sand. . Mr. TTawkshaw stated that he is an engineer. Has been over the line laid down by Mr. Vignoles, and has found that it is well laid do rtt CroAs-examined by Mr. LAING (who appeared against the pro jected line)—llas had a good deal or experience in the management of amalgamation in railway companies. Has expressed himself in favour of having a number of railways under one system of manage ment. Thinks it generally advisable that short lines should be at tkched to the moat important line in their neighbourhood. The North Kent line is one of more importance than the South-Eastern. Does not think that any benefit caused by competition would be equal to that of united management. Competion would make the Company more active. The CHAIRMAN intimated that this course of examination was not regular. Mr. Essen, examined by Mr. GOLDSMID—Is the solicitor to the Bridgewater Railway Company. In 1844 received a proposition from the North Kent Company. Had not at that time received any pro position from the South-Eastern Company. By Mr. COMM IN—Became agent for the Bridgewater Railway Cotnpany during last session. By Mr. GOLDSZKID—The Admiralty had give* its consent to the bridge at Rochester, as proposed by the North Kent Railway Company. Biunel, examined by Mr. TALBOT in support of the line— Has examined several points of the proposed line, particularly the works at. Chatham and the Bolton Tunnel. Has examined the strata near Bolton-hill, and there will be no difficulty In forming a tunnel Has observed the lino between Chatham and Sittingboume, and it is very judiciously laid out there. Had examined the country also last Year, and had observed that the line passed within twenty yards of the powder-mills • it appeared safe then, and Indat certgaly 40 so now, RUA the Wits= is LBO yucb. By Mr. COCKBURN—Was about eight hours at Bolton. The powder mill may be passed safely by the trains. The trains would not affect the mill at a distance of 180 yards ; nor would the explosion of the mills affect the trains at that distance. By Mr. TALBOT—No great length of time was necessary to ex amine the strata at the shaft. Mr. Miller, examined by Mr. TALBOT—Is an engineer, and has gone Into the expense of the proposed bridge at Rochester. Has also estimated the expense of a bridge for the bridge-wardens before the existence of the North Kent Railway Company. Mr. TALBOT then announced that the case on the part of the North Kent line was closed, with the exception of a few words which he wished to have from Mr. Tite, on the subject of the valuation of land along the line. Mr. Tite was not then present, ner could he be im mediately called. Under these circumstances, he proposed to close his case, reserving to himself the right of briefly examining Mr. Tite to-morrow morning, and also of producing a letter which had been received from the Board of Ordnance. After a short discussion, Mr. Dawsors (who appeared in support of a petition against the proposed line by Sir John Evelyn), then proceeded to address the Committee very briefly. The promoters of the Korth Kent line here requested permission to add the evidence of Sir Frederick Smith, as to the safety of the trains passing the powder•mills. Sir F. Smith stated that he had examined the course of the pro posed line last year. It passed very close to the mills, but was not unsafe. The danger, if any, might be prevented by covering the line with iron roofing. By Mr. BIERREWETHER (for the South Eastern line.)—lf a line cf railway were at a , distance of 200 yards from a powder-mill, the explosion of 40 barrels of powder would give a concussion, but would not occasion any serious damage. The powder in that state called the " green charge" is nearly as strong as the powder when quite prepared for use. The powder-mils are generally very strongly built, and there would be very heavy materials thrown in case of an explosion. Remembers an explosion which warred last year at Dartford or Hounslow. The stones wiach were split were very massive, but they were not moved far. Thinks that the rail way at Chatham would be better if under the fire of the guns from the fortification. Cannot say whether the station should be under the tire of the guns. At Gosport, there is a station both inside and outside the works and the one inside is safer, though not unr the fire of the battery. The station ou tside the battery is under th de e fire of the cannon, but is not so safe. The Committee then adjourned until twelve o'clock to-morrow. GROUP XV. BRIGHTON AND CHICHESTER. (BOGNOR AND LITTLEHATVIPTON BRANCHES). BOGNOR AND CHICHESTER. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. JOHNSON NEALE opposed the Brighton branch to Bognor on behalf of Mr. Richard Clarke, landowner at Bognor, and called evi dence to show that the Brighton Company had been guilty of a breach of faith and agreement. _ _ . Mr. Rastrick, on his cross-examination by Mr. NEALE, said, that Mr. Clarke had projected the:present Bognor branch previous to the Brighten Company taking It up, and that, he (Mr. Rastrick) con sented to become engineer of the line, and had the surveys made and paid for. He (Mr. Rastrick) thought afterwards it would be more advisable that the Brighton Company should make the pro jected line, and made use accordingly of the surveys already tak en to make up the sections and plans for the Brighton Company. Several witnesses were called on the part of the Chichester direct branch, to show that the great preponderance of public feeling in Chichester and in Bognor was in favour of the Chichester and Bognor line. Mr. J. J. JOHNSON, previous to adjournment, submitted to the Committee that the objection taken on the other side to the Chiches ter line, in the case of error in the levels laid down in the sections, was a " standing order" point, and therefore that the Committee was precluded by one of the standing orders from examining it. Tie suggested that' an inquiry should be made whether this was not so in the present case. Mr. MEREWETU,ER contended that it was net a standing order objection, and it came within the province of the present Committee, under the 20th section of the Laud Clauses Act, limiting the cuttings to 5 feet in the country and 2 feet in the towns. The Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock tomorrow. GROUP XVI. CHEETSEY AND EGNANE BRANCH. The Committee (all the members of which were present) tnet at twelve o'clock, when Mr. Wordsworth submitted a plan by which the branch could be made without interfering with his property, and it was agreed that it should be submitted to Mr. Locke's conside ration. Mr. Briscoe, a magistrate and gentleman of property, gave evi dence similar to that of Colonel Challoner yesterday. Mr. Edgill, who resides within half a lane of Egham, stated that a great advantage would be afforded by this railway, and that Colonel Cballoner had understated the number of persons whose attendance was required at the petty sessions : it was 166 per annum en an ave rage, which information he had derived from the clerk. In conse quence of the obstruction of traffic, and the convenience enjoyed by other places, the value of property had greatly deelined, and there were at the present time 67 houses unoccupied in Egham. He perfectly concurred in the opinion that a great advantage would be derived from the cheaper conveyance of chalk to that district. To Sir C. DOUGLAS—Mr. Edgill replied that the empty houses were of the smaller size. Mr. Whitton, a banker at Egham, confirmed Mr. Edgill's state ment respecting the disadvantage accruing to Egham from the want of a railway. A little conversation then ensued respecting the point on which Mr. Evans rests, and Mr. Wordsworth, on his behalf, stated, that as he had ulterior designs, in which he should probably show the propriety and force of his client's case, he should not cross-examine on the public merits of the case. The Committee then decided that it was unnecessary to call any further evidence on the traffic merits of the branch, but that the engineer and the surveyor should be called. Prior, however, to the examination of Mr. 'Locke, a conversation took place between that gentleman and Mr. Evans's surveyor, but the result was a disa greement in opinion as to the avoidance of Mr. Evans's property, and the plans were submitted to the Committee. Mr. Locke was then called, and stated part of his evidenec re specting the course of the line, and its engineering character. There were three roads crossed at a level, but he had preferred that mode of traverse in a flat country, because he thought it better than raising embankments or bridge approaches, which would have the further disadvantage of interfering with the town of Chert sey. The estimated cost of the line, including the land, would be 100,0001.:; the annual expenses were estimated at 3,9971., and the returns, 9,6301., leaving a rough profit of 5,6001., giving an average of five or six per cent. With respect to Mr. Evans's property, he was induced to refrain from going into the opposition, because, in the first place, the line, as laid out, interferred less than it would otherwise do with the property both to the right and left ; and, secondly, because the Company were pledged not to deviate towards Mr. Burnett's property, thirdly, it would interfere with Lady Montford's property, and the deviation, as proposed by the other side, would throw the railway into a village. The distance from Mr. Evan's house was abont 140 yards. To the CHAIRMAN—Mr. Locke replied, that the engineering, diffi culties occasioned by the alteration were immaterial, although the change would be rather prejudicial than otherwise. To Mr. WORDSWORTH —Mr. Locke stated that the change would effect the curves, and render the line more inadvisable than it was as now laid out. The line would certainly Interfere with the view of the copse on St. Anne's Hill, which was an ornamental object, as seen from Mr. Evans's house. The house also would be somewhat Interfered with the bridge near the property. The reason for taking the course they did was, that the deviation would oblige the Company, not only to Infringe on their engagement with Mr. Bur nett, but also with Lady limitford's property, and the village he hail spoken of, in which, if the line were carried that way, at least half a dozen cottages would have to be pulled down, and other lands and grounds, would be effected besides. By sharpening the curve, perhaps the village might be avoided, but the change would be inconvenient. The deviation proposed by Mr. Evans would carry the line through the parsonage-house, and there appeared to be no means of avoiding that difficulty. Mr. Crawter was recalled, and stated, that he valued the land for the line, the vane of which land was 24,333/. 3s. 10,1., including sectional damage. He knew a Mr. Evans's house, which is a good, gentlemanly residence, but it fronted the north, and looked away from the railway, which could only be seen from some of the bedroom windows at the back of the house. He also knew Lady Montford's house, which was not such a good one as Mr. Evans's house but it looked, at the distance of about 100 yards, towards the railway. He was also acquainted with Mr. Ben net's property. His house was a good family mansion, surrounded by 400 acres of ground ; and, by a stipulation with that gentleman, it was agreed that the line should not be carried nearer to his house than as now laid down. Mr. Evans's house stood at the corner of two roads, on which there was a considerable traffic, and the ground in front of the premises belonged to Lady Montford. To Mr. Woanswoitut —The witness repeated his previous evidence, and stated that he had purchased the parsonage house on behalf of the Company ; but, at a previous meeting with Mr. Evans's agent, he hadmerely suggested the deviation which had been shown by that gentleman. A plan had certainly been sent to him by Mr. Hunt, but he did not know what had become of it. _ . To Mr. HOPE—The witness repeated his assertion that the railway would nut interfere with the line of sight between Mr. James's house and the copse on St. Anne's To Lord POLLINCTON and Mr. BLEWITT— The witness replied that the parsonage house was bought because a bridge was to be erected, which would be close to the windows, and the purchase had been made in order to avoid any difficulty with the patron of the living. The land near Mr. Evans's house was ornamental meadow, but he thought that the injury done to Mr. Ben nett's property would be greater than that suffered by Mr. Evans, as the line went directly through the former gentleman's park. This closed the case for the promoters, and Mr. Woanswowris was about to open his case, when the chairman intimated that he thought the feeling of the committee was to pass the preamble and discuss Mr. Evans's claims on the clause. On this suggestion the counsel would have acted, but a difficulty arose respecting the ar -angement, and Mr. Wordsworth was about to proceed against the sreamble, when, after some conversation between the several Narties concerned, a conference was held between them, the result )f which was that Mr. Bennett, having conceded part of his claims, the company were enabled to take such a line of deviation as would neet Mr. Evans's views, and the preamble of the Bill was declared Toyed. The Ccmmittee went through the ,clauses, after an alteration had aeon made, which was suggested by Mr. Wordsworth, and the Chairman was directed to carry up the report. GROITP XIX. This Committee commenced its sittings this morning in the dining mom of the Session-house, Westminster. The Committee consisted of Lord Marry vane, chairman ; Mr. F. Scott, the Earl of March, Mr. Norris, and Mr. Bennett. EXETER, TOPSHAM, AND EXMOUTH. This was the first Bill that was taken by the Commtttee. The line Is a short one, being only seven miles in length. The estimated cost is 100,0001. The Bill was opposed by the corporation of Exeter. There was a competing use called the Exeter and Exmouth Railway. Sergeant Murphy and Mr. Merrivale appeared for the promoters of the Bill. Mr. MERRIVALE having opened the ease, called - Mr. Wilcocks, a member of the town council of Exeter, in support of the Bill. He spoke of the general advantage to the neighbourhood of the line. The witness was cross-examined on the part of the corporation of Exeter, with the object of showing that sufficient accommodation would be afforded to the neighbourhood by the existing canal. GROUP xxv. TUE MALDEN, WITHAM, AND DRAIN TREE RAILWAY. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition •f yesterday.) Mr. Beedale, the surveyor of the line, estimated the price of the land to be taken for the line at 9,940/. The line in no way interfered with any residential property, nor did it Injure any house or building. Mr. Locke, the engineer, proved that the length of the line was twelve miles and six chains. There was no tunnelling—the gra dients were good, and OR the whole the line was the best that could be selected. The estimate was 186,060/. ; the subscribed capital of the Company was 200,0001. The Blackwater River could easily be deepened, and at a moderate outlay. The line joined the Eastern Counties on a level at Witham. After the working ex penses of the line had been paid, he estimated that there would be a disposable balance of 18,1711., or 10 per cent. upon the paid•up capital. This closed the case for the promoters. The opposition was post poned till to-morrow. The Committee adjourned, at four o'clock, till twelve o'clock to morrow. Sub-Committee No. 2. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) BRITISH ABM IRISH UNION. _ _ The object of this Bill was to construct a railway iiom Dumfries to Portpatrick, with an extension from Dumfries to the Caledonian Railway, at or near Springfield, to the parish of Gretna, with branches from Ernspie to Kirkcudbright, from Carty Port to Wigtown, and from Lachans to Stranraer. Length of the line, including branches, 120 miles ; capital, 1,550,000/. Parliamentary agents, Messrs. Dunlop and llope. The formal proofs having been taken, the petitions against the Bill, for two of which there was an appearance, were heard. Mackay. COATES appeared in support of the first petition from Mr. 1 c and others, complaining of non-compliance with the stand ing orders. The class of allegations entered into stated that there were errors in the subscription contract deed, in some instances the name of only one member of a firm being subscribed. The room was cleared. On our re-admission, it being announced that the Speaker was at prayers, the Committee adjourned till to morrow. Sub-Committee Ico. G. LANARESHXWEI AND L (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of f yesterday.) The evidence of all the witnesses , with the exception of the engineer, having been tendered, Mr. LANG applied to have the case postponed, to which Mr. Pam, the opposing agent, objected, and the Committee, after a brief delay, decided that the promoters should proceed with their case. Mr. PRITT said, that the Bret allegation to which he would call the attention of the Committee was that of the Monkland and Kirkintilloch Railway Company, who complained that their names had not been mentioned either in the books of reference, deposited in the offices of the clerks of the peace in the district through which the line was proposed to pass, or in the documents deposited in the Private Bin.oftiee, as owners of the Rose ball branch of their railway, with which the promoters of the present Rill intended to interfere. The allegation was declared to be sustained. The Committee was occupied during the remainder of the day with other minor allegations, some of which were sust4i4eo turd Oka INC TIN Yr 44 wAtarueg until taziaorrow. STANDING ORDERS' COMMITTEES. HOUSE OF LORDS. ((Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) DUBLIN AND GALWAY. This ease having been closed for the promoters, Mr. Sergeant WRANGIIAM addressed the Committee for the Dublin and Mullingar Company. The Learned Counsel complained of the other side having abandoned certain plans which were submitted to Parliament, last year, and coming in now for the same powers with altOgether new plans and sections ; in fact, quite a new survey. The Learned Sergeant having gene at length into the merits of both lines, concluded by stating that he would call such evidence as would alter the impression made by the pro moters of the Dublin and Galway line. The first witness was then called, and the Committee adjourned till eleven o'clock to-morrow. THE NEWRY, WARRE?TPOINT, AND ROSTREVOR. The Committee appointed to consider the merits of this Bill com menced its sittings to-day at twelve. o'clock, the Earl of Rosebery in the chair. Mr. ALEXANDER opened for the promoters, after which witnesses were called in to support the preamble. The case for the promoters having closed, Mr. AUSTIN addressed the Committee for the Newry Navi gation Company, who opposed the proposed line of railway on the ground that it would injure the traffic of the canal. The Learned Counsel concluded by saying that he would call evidence to show the injury which his clients would sustain; after which he trusted the Committee would fix a rate of compensation which would indemnify the Navigation Company. The Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. DIRECT LONDON AND PORTSMOUTH RAILWAY. rite Committee met this day at half-past one o'clock ; present, the Earl of Shaftesbury (In the Chair), Lords Redesdale, Hawarden, and Hood. In this case the Company having received their Bill, cm their undertaking to produce a Bill signed by the proper parties, The agent for the line submitted to their Lordships that the proper deed had been prepared, and the Committee accordingly confirmed their decision of yesterday. LONDON AND YORK RAILWAY. This case which came under the denomination of privileged Bills was the next which came under the consideration of the Com• mittee. The same objection as that tendered against the Direct London and Portsmouth Railway (and which may be seen in our railway report yesterday) was also urged against the line. The Committee adjourned the case to Thursday next. A question arose—that as the new deed of contract had been executed by other parth s from those who paid the deposits—whether those parties had any claim on the fund in court, which had been paid under the virtue of the old deeds ? The Committee decided that as the money had been paid on ac count of the Company of the London and York Railway, they were entitled to make use of it. iiElibiiiaßiiiViTEßFOßD, AND VALENCIA RAILWAY. This case was adjourned until Thursday next, the parties not being In attendance. HOUSE OF COMMONS. (Continued from cur Afternoon Edition et yesterday.) MIDLAND (SWINTON TO LINCOLN). The promoters in this case were allowed to go on, on condition that they divided their present measure into two Bills. BRADFORD, WAKEFIELD, AND MIDLAND. Not allowed to be proceeded with. The Committee adjourned till to-morrow, at one o'clock. Sub-Committee, No. 3. EXETER GREAT WESTERN. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) The petition of the executor Robert Pearce, alleging that no notice had been given of the construction of the line, was then taken into consideration. The Committee decided that in this case the standing orders were emptied with, sufficient care having been taken to ascertain the re puted ownership of the lands in question, and due notice having been served in accordance with the result of that inquiry. William Higgins and others presented petitions, the allegations of which were of a similar nature, but many of the objections of which were pronounced to be immaterial and frivolous. The Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. EIGHTH REPORT FROM THE SE LECT COMMITTEE ON RAILWAY BILLS CLASSIFICATION. The Select Committee appointed for the Classification of Railway Bills according to the Resolutions adopted by the House, and who are empowered to report from time to time; have further con sidered the several matters referred to them, and agreed 0 report as follows : Your Committee recommend that the Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Branches from Dundee and Arbroath Railway, and Tay Ferry Improvement) be transferred from Group No. 7 to Group No. 8. EXCHEQUER. BILLS. All Account: "I of all Exchequer-bills raised, or authorised to be raised, charged en the Aids or Supplies of 1846, unprovided for." The Amount of Exchequer-bills authorised to be raised charged on the Supplies of 1846 - - - - £18,404,500 Deduct for Exchequer-bills paid off in money in 1845, and provided for from surplus of Ways and Means to the sth January, 1846 24,300 Amount to be provided for in the present year - £18,380,200 EDW. CARDWELL. Whitehall Treasury Chambers, March 18, 1846. TUESDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE. Commissions by the Lord-Lieutenant of Devonshire. The Right Hon. C. R. Lord Clinton, to be Deputy Lieutenant, Dec. 27, 1845 ; J. &Want, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant, Jan. 17, 1846. East Devon Regiment of Militia—F. B. Short, Esq., to be Cap tain ; G. Fursdon, Esq., to be Captain ; C. Burnley, Gent., to be Lieutenant ; P. C. Lipyeatt, Gent., to be Lieutenant, Jan. 13 ; W. D. Band, Gent., to be Lieutenant, Jan. 26; C. R. Ellieombe, Gent., to be Ensign, Jan. 13 ; F. G. Young, Gent., to be Ensign, Jan. 26. First Devon Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry—J. Garratt, jun., Esq., to be Captain; W. Barnes, Gent., to be Lieutenant; E. Troed, Gent., to be Lieutenant, Dec. 24, 1845. Commission by the Queen. • Berwickshire Militia—Captain J. Cox, from the 92d Highlanders, to be Adjutant, vice Captain A.D. M'Laren, placed upon the Retired List, Feb. 16, 1846. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of Lancashire. First Regiment of the Dnke of Lancaster's Own Militia—Captain G. Orred, to be Major, vice North, resigned, March 19. Third Regiment of the Duke of Lancaster's Own Militia—E. Lister, Gent., to be Lieutenant, March 18; E. C. Moore, Gent., to be Lieute nant, March 19 ; H. R. Clarke, Gent., to be Lieutenant, March 20; J. E. Orrell, Gent., to be Lieutenant, March 21 ; J. German, Gent., to be Lieutenant, March 22 ; J. Worthington, Gent., to be Ensign, March 21 ; N. Gardiner, Gent., to be Ensign, March 22. Commissions 1 y the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Glamorgan. To be Deputy Lieutenants --C. Bailey, Esq. ; R. Fothergill, Esq. ; W. Llewellyn, Esq. ; E. Morgan, Esq. ; W. Thomas, Esq, ; G. Tur bervill, Esq., March 10. Royal Glamorgan Light Infantry Battalion of Militia—T. Fitz gerald, Gent., to be First Lieut. Feb. 17 ; T. Place. Gent., to be First Lient , Feb. 23 ; M. W. Harris . Gent., to to Fiat Lieut. Feb. 25 ; H. A. Goldfinch, Gent., to be First Lieut., Feb. 2 7 ; W. Lewis, Gent., to be Second Lieut., Feb. 28. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of Herefordshire. W. Barneby, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant; R. 31 4 3turdo, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant; T. W. Lane, jun., Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant ; W. M. Kyrie, Clerk, to be Deputy Lieutenant, March 19. Herefordshire Regiment of Militia—lt. B. R. Mynors, Esq., to be Captain, vice Walsham, promoted, March 19. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Hampshire. W. H. Hughes, Esq., to be Deputy-Lieutenant ; D. T. Cunyng ham, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant, March 6. North Hants Yeomanry Cavalry—J. Rivers, Gent., to be Lieu tenant; E. D. Allen, Gent., to be Cornet, March 6. Commissions by the Lori I ieutenant of Aberdeenshire. J. Duff, Esq., M.P., to be Deputy Lieutenant; A. D. Fordyce, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant ; J. M. Leslie, Esq , to be Deputy Lieutenant, Jan. 26. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Suffolk. Western Regiment of Suffolk Militia—The Right Hon. F. W. Hervey, commonly called Earl Jermyn, to be Colonel, vice the Earl of Euston, resigned, March 20. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Wilts. Royal Wiltshire Regiment of Militia —W. Long, jun , Gent., to be Lientenant, March 15 ; G. Gould, Gent., to be Lieutenant, March 16 ; E. H. Mortimer, Gent., to be Lieutenant, March 17 ; G. 11. Goddard, Gent.; to be Ensign, March 15. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Forfarshire. Forfar and Kincardine Regiment of Militia—T. Scott, Gent., to be Lieutenant; W. P. Scott, Gent., to be Lieutenant CO. Lyon, Gent., to be Ensign, Feb. 17. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of Perthshire. Royal Perthshire Militia—J. D. M`Gregor, Gent., to be Lieutenant, vice A. Stewart, deceased, March 18. Erratum in the Gazette of the 10th inst. Prince Albert's Own Leicestershire Yeomanry Cavalry—For T. J. Pavia, Gent., to be Cornet, &c., read T. J. Pares, Gent., to be Cor net, &c. BANKRUPTS. James Giro, merchant, Aloorgate-street, City, to surrender April 6, at half-past eleven, and May 5, at twelve, at the Court of Bank. ruptcy. Alsager, official assignee, Birchin-lane, Cornhill ; Pelle, Great Winchester-street. Charles Henry Waters, dealer in paintings, Queen's-row, Pimlico, March 31, at half-past one, and May 5, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Bur bidge, Hatton-garden. Joseph Thompson, grocer, Norwich, April 7 and May 5, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Pennell, official assignee ; Gillman, Norwich; Storey, Gray's Inn-nlaee, London. William Morphew, draper, Sevenoaks, Kent, April 1, at half-past two, and May 7, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Bell, offi cial assignee, Coleman-street-buildings; Reed and Langford, Friday street, Cheapslde. John Perkins, jeweller, North-place, Gray's Inn-lane, March - 28, at two, and May 16, at twelve, at the Coart of Bankruptcy. Fol lett, official assignee, Sambrook•court, Basinghall-street ; Clark, Finsbury-place. Thomas Peirson. money scrivener, Warwiek-eourt, Holborn, April 4, at eleven, and May 16, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee, Aldermanbury ; Bell and Co., Bow Church yard. John Brett, sheep salesman, Lilt on, Bedfordshire, April 7, at two, and May 5, at one, at the Court of Bankrnptcy. Glroom, official assignee, Abchurch-lane ; Wilkinson, Nicholas-lane, Lombard-street. Richard Ellis, carpenter, Richmond-street, Seho, April 1, and May 5, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy Edwards, official assignee, Frederick's-place, Old Jewry ; Carlon and Haynes, Palace chambers, St. James's-street. Ann Abigail Innell and Alfred Cooked, varnish manufacturers, Little Queen-street, Holborn, April 7, at two, and May 5, at half-past two, at the Court of Bankruptoy. Groom, official assignee, Abchureh lane, City ; Stuart, New Inn, Strand. Martin Cubitt, builder, High Holborn, April 3, and May 7, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, official assignee, Basinghall street ; Smith, Southampton-buildings, Chancery-lane. George Prince, wine -merchant, Romsey, Hampshire, April 1, at half-past twelve, and May 6, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Bell, official assignee, Coleman-street-buildings ; Watson and Co., Falcon-square. Bull, cloth-merchant, Leeds, April 4 and 27, at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Kynaster, official assignee, Leeds; Sndlow and Co., Chancery-lane; Lee, Leeds. James Riding and James Fielding, cotton manufacturers, Leyland, Lancashire, April 4, at eleven, and April 30, at twelve, at tho Man. chester District Court. Hobson, official asslngnee, Manchester; Milne and Co., Temple, London ; Winder and Co., Bolton. [Dividends, &c., in our Next.l MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current of March 24.) Suaan.—To-day there was a good desire manifested to pur - chase West India Muscovado Sugar, but business of moment was prevented by the assortment and supply at market being scanty and indifferent ; the rates paid were fully equal to those of Friday, and in some in stances rather above. REFINED.—To-day there was less demand for refined goods from the home trade, but brown grocery Lumps could not be obtitined under 645, and Standard Lumps 655. per cwt. Bonded Crushed Sugar met with less attention, but first quality could not be had under 35s per cwt for forward delivery. MAUBITIUS.—This afternoon Mauritius Sugar was in excellent re quest, and 7,166 bags at auction were all sold at full rates, indeed in some cases an advance of 6d per cwt was obtained. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon there were three public sales of Ben gal Sugar comprising 4,827 bags ; the trade were desirous to operate, r and nearly the whole sold at full rates. Foaxinx.—To-day 1,762 boxes of Yellow Cuba were offered at public sale, there was a better demand, and the whole sold at firm prices. Comm.—This efternoon Mocha Coffee met with little attention and 92 bales at auction were only in part sold upon rather lone terms. Privately there was little business transacted in home trad or shipping sorts, but holders were not inclined to redness thel prices. TEA.—Notwitlistanding the moderate rates at which there are smi lers of Congou, yet the trade have operated with caution in all de scriptioas. The stock of Posiehong being light, holders are enabled to obtain full rates, but the demand has been only for small parcels. Twankay has been sparingly dealt in, and easier rates are accepted. Notwithstanding the cheapness of Ifysons, still there are few buyers to be met with, and prices are drooping. In Camped a large business has been transacted, In consequence of 6d per lb having been accepted. The inferior sorts of Gunpowder are heavy of disposal, and can be obtained upon rather lower terms ; but fine has been purchased with more freedom at 3s 6cl to 3s 10d. In the better sorts of Imperial a fair business has been transacted, but not et higher prices. MOLASSES.—This afternoon at public sale 152 casks of Mauritius Molasses were sold at 15s 6d per cwt for very low dark. There was snore desire shown to purchase West India of all sorts privately, and 23s per cwt refused for fine Demerara. SPICES.—To-day Pimento was in good request, and 250 bags at public sale all sold at steady prices —good middling and good bringing 3 3 ,..id to 3% d,and middling 3%d per lb. Spiati4 7 -Although Jan - miea lawn is to he obtained upon rather lower terms, still exporters and the trade have operated with cau tion in all descriptions. Leeward Island is to be obtained upon rather lower terms. For Calcutta rather lower rates having been taken, tempted buyers to operate with much more freedom. Demerara has been purchased with caution, and 2s 9cl to 3s are the Prices for strong sorts. In Brandy purchases to a fair extent have been made, and prices advanced 2d to 4d per gallon. The business done in Geneva has been limited, and at lower rates. The price of British Corn Spirits is lOs 6d per gallon net cash, and Gin Is 10d for 22 per cent. under proof, and 17 under 9s 4d per gallon. CocnlNEAL.—This afternoon at public sale 100 bags of Honduras Silvers were offered, and about half sold at the former rate. SALTPETRZ.—To-day rough was sough after, and 600 bags at public sale were sold at full rates, and brought 25s 6cl to 26s for 9 1 4 per cent. refraction middling damp grey. The Lord Provost of Edinburgh had an interview with Sir Gouge auk 7vdercla7l at tip ofer.4of the &IN Qt . TEM% IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 110 USE OF LORDS, March 24. ROYAL ASSENT. The royal assent was given to-day by commission to the Metropolitan Buildings Amendment Bill, and the Fever (Ireland) Bill. The Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, the Duke of Bnccleuch, and the Earl of Haddington. The House resumed at Five o'clock. POOR -LAW UNIONS. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from cer tain officers of the West Hundred Union in Sussex, praying that such officers might be allowed pensions upon their be coming superannuated. He would net take a long time, be cause he was sure that when the Bill came there it would be regular for him to move such an amendment. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH moved the third reading of the Print Works Bill. The Bill was then read a third time. ELY AND HUNTINGDON RAILWAY. Lord DACRE presented a petition from certain parties, praying their Lordsbips not to proceed further in the prosecu tion of the Huntingdon and Ely Rene ay Bill, on account of non-compliance with the standing orders, and errors in the datum line. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said the Bill was allowed to pass through the Standing Orders' Committee, because there was no opposition to it. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE considered if they granted the prayer of the petition that they would treat the promoters of the line with great hardship, because they ad mitted they would have proceeded with, and probably passed the Bill, if no opposition had been manifested against it, but now that a petition had been presented against it they were asked to postpone or not proceed with it at all. He protested against such a course of proceeding, as it was extremely easy for per sons to get up an opposition to a railway Bill. Lord REDESDALE thought the Noble Marquis did not properly understand the case, as he said if there had been no opposition that their Lordships would have given their assent to the Bill. But he forgot there was an error in the sections of such a monstrous character as to render it quite impossible for them to pass the Bill unless no objection had been raised to it by any person whatever. There was an error of ten feet in the datum line. No great injury, however, could result to the promoters of the Bill, as a line with which it was con - nected, the Huntingdon and Wisbeach, had not passed the Standing Orders' Committee. Lord CAMPBELL saw no objection why the Bill should not be read a third time. After a few words from the Marquis of SALISBURY, The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought the case under consideration was analogous to that of the Great County Down Railway, and it should not be treated more favourably than that line had been. The Earl of DALHOUSIE said that the two cases were as different as possible. He never knew any line more trouble some than the one alluded to by the Noble Marquis.—( Laugh.) The Duke of RICHMOND said if it went abroad that one line was to be preferred before another, as had been insinuated, it would be very hard to get Noble Lords to attend a Committee on standing order:. The Standing Orders' Committee, in consequence of the be lief that there was no opposition to the Bill, although the standing orders had not been complied with, had stated that it was a case in which they might be dispensed with. It was now moved that the Bill should be returned to the Standing Orders' Committee. He was afraid that the Standing Orders' Committee did not act with sufficient severity. If it was proved that the standing ordershad not been complied with, the rejection of the Bill ought to be imperative. Lord MONTEAG LE said that if they passed over incorrect plans and sections given by men who called themselves en gineers, the consequence should be that the Bill ought not to be allowed to pass. It would encourage the appointment of in competent persons in the formation of these works. That was a subject of great importance, and would particularly affect the general interests of the country at large, for in consequence of the extravagant enterprises and speculations, we should sooner or later have to contend with the difficulties of un finished railways over the length and breadth of the land. And when their Lordships considered what a positive nuisance to the landed proprietors it would be if these railways were left unfinished, they should protest against this, and tell the pro moters of Bills that inaccuracies on the part of men of science, or men calling themselves men of science, would not meet with any indulgence or favour on the part of that House, but on the contrary it would be at once punished by the refusal of the Bill • and when it was said that in the engineering department there was an error affecting 36 miles out of 40, he for one should be prepared to vote against the Bill. On the motion being put it was negatived. RAIL WAYS. The Earl of WICKLOW presented a petition from the grand jury and other influential persons of the county of Sligo, praying for an alteration in the standing orders respecting railways. He also presented a petition from the county of Mayo, numerously signed, in favour of the Great Western Irish Railway Bill. MEDICAL REMUNERATION BILL. The Earl of CLANCARTY presented a petition from a great number of medical practitioners, which stated that they bad no remuneration for their attendance on lunatics sent to lunatic asylums, and praying for an alteration in the law in tha respect. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL. On the motion ol the Duke of BUCCLELICII, the House went into Committee on this THE NATIONAL DEBT. _ _ Lord STOURTON rose to move for returns of the deduc tions at different times in the interest of the National Debt ; for the exports in the five years terminating in 1790 (inclusive of that year), and in the five years preceding 1821, and in the five years preceding 1846, for the aggregate amount and values of the different species of income as deducible from the last five years of the French war to the termination of that tax or income, and the annual amount of national income, as deducible from the last income-tax, so far as the returns may be made up, and for a return of the average produce of wheat in Poland, Prussian or Russian, and adjoining provinces, as estimated by Mr. Jacob in his reports to the Government. The Noble Lord prefaced his motion by a few observations, but they were quite inaudible in the gallery. The motion was agreed to. The Bills on the table were then advanced a stage, and the House adjourned. HOUSE OF GOitiMOA March 24. The Sraattzu took the Chair at a few minutes to Four. Mr. LAWSON moved that the following Bills in Group No. 43—East and West Yorkshire Junction (York and Knaresborough), Great North of England ( Bedale Branch), Great North of England (Boroughbridge Branch)—be taken out of Group No. 43, being unopposed Bills, and referred to Mr. Greene and the Members introducing such Bills, on the 31st instant, unless petitions against any of these Bills be pre sented on or before Monday next, the 30th instant (inclusive), in which case such Bill or Bills shall continue as at present grouped. After a desultory conversation, in which Mr. Brotherton, Mr. B. Denison, Mr. Fox Maule, Mr. Hodgson, Mr. Greene, Mr. Craig, Mr. Hudson, Mr. Dnneomb e , M r . Aldam, Mr. Collett, and,Col. Wood joined, a division ensued, when there appeared — For the motion Against it ... Majority against the motion ..... ... —l6 ROYAL ASSENT. Sir Augustus Clifford, the Usher of the Black Rod, ap peared at the bar of the house, and summoned the attend ance of the Commons in the House of Lords, to hear the royal assent given by commission to several Bills, which have passed both Houses during the present session. Mr. T EIORNELY presented a petition against the Glasgow Police Bill. Mr. BOUVERIE presented a petition against the Edin burgh and Northern Railway. Mr. HUME said he would call the attontion of the House to a circumstance which he knew to be against the rules ; be was at all times unwilling to transgress in that way for a matter of s mall importance, but this case called for the interference of the House. The borough of Montrose, which he had the honour to represent, contained 15,000 inhabitants, and, during the former times of scarcity, a sum of money was subscribed to purchase certain grounds for the accommodation and recreation of the public. One of the numerous railways then under the con sideration of the House, would in its course interfere with this ground. The magistrates of this borough of course expected that the railway company would be willing to make compen sation, by purchasing an equal amount of ground, and leveling it. Negotiations to this effect were in progress, and the magistates had every reason to believe, until a few days' ago, that the compensation they expected would be given ; but a short time since they received an intima'ion that the Company would have nothing to do with purchasing fresh ground, but that it was only a case of compensation in the ordinary sense of the word. The property interfered with was land near the sea side, and the price of an acre of it would not be the value of a quarter of an acre elsewhere. The petition aces, therefore, that they might be heard before the Committee to which this Bill was referred. He was aware that it was not usual to send petitions before Committees after they had comtrenced their labours ; and if it was for an i n dividual, .he should not m ak e any suc h application, but this was a public question. The magistrates were merely trustees, and the grounds so given were to remain for ever for the public use. All he asked, therefore, was that the petition should be allowed to go before the Committee on the Railway Bill. Mr. GREENE was extremely sorry to oppose the motion of the Hon. Member, but he thought that if the House gave way in the present instance that they would have to give way in others, and great inconvenience to all parties could not fail to result. Besides that was not the first time such a case had been brought before the House, as he could point out numbers of instances in which parties had so come forward to complain of similar hardships. The case brought forward by the Hon. Member did not appear to him to justify them in breaking through the orders which they had adopted for the regulation of public business. Mr. T. BARING considered, with the Hon. Member who bad just sat down, that it would be unwise to break through the rules which they had adopted. As the money was granted for a public purpose, he should recommend the on. Member to apply to the Treasury, who would no doubt see that the money so granted was really devoted to the purposes intended. Mr. HUME said his sole object was that the public interests should not suffer. The Government undeniably gave 2001., and the parties referred to a similar sum, in order to lay out those grounds for the recreation of the people. But if the Treasury had any power to interfere in the matter, he thought an application to that quarter would be the proper course to adopt. With respect to what had fallen from Mr. Greene, he must say that he enter tained as high respect for the rules of the House as he did. He considered that the case which he advocated was one with respect to which he thought the House would not hesitate to depart from the established rule. After a few words from Mr. GREENE, Mr. HUME said that if the petition were allow . c 1 to go before the Committee he should withdraw his motion. The motion was subsequently withdrawn. NORTH BRITISH RAILWAY. An HoN. MEMaER presented a petition from Jedburgh in favour of the Carlisle Extension of the North British Railway. Mr. ESTCOURT brought up the report of the Standing Orders Committee. TIMBER DUTIES. Mr. THORNELY presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce, Liverpool, in favour of the reduction of duties on timber. The petitioners stated that they heard with great satisfaction the proposed measure of the Government, and that for the purposes of ship building there was felt a great scarcity of live oak and pitch pine. Mr. HUME presented a petition from the inhabitants of Leith, praying also for a reduction of the duty on foreign timber. The petitioners stated that the interest of the general community w ould be greatly benefited by the proposed measure of her Majesty's Government, and that there was a scarcity of timber for the purposes of house building. Ordered to lie on the table. TEN HOURS' FACTORY BILL. Mr. LAWSON presented several petitions in favour of the Ten Hours' Factory Bill. They were ordered to lie on the table. Sir R. H. INGLIS presented a petition from Bradford, in Yorkshire, in favour of a Ten Hours' Bill. Sir G. STRICKLAND presented two petitions from Chor. ley, in Lancashire, to the same effect. SETTLEMENT OF NATIONAL DISPUTES BY ARBITRATION. __ Pr. KM RINO pr tod a patitivA from Newport pray. ing that all disputes between nations be settled by arbitration instead of war. MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. Messengers from the Honze of Lords brought up several Bills. ISLE OF MAN. rr. BOWRING moved for certain returns relating to the Isle of Man.—Agreed to. NOTICES OF MOTION. Mr. WYSE gave notice that on the 7th of April he should move for a Committee to inquire into the present state of education in Ireland and the best means of improving it. POOR. LAW. Mr. GEORGE BANKES gave notice that, on Thursday next, he should move that the proposed . Bill for the removal of the poor in England be referred to a select Committee. Mr. O'CONNELL, not wishing to throw any impediment in the way of the adjourned debate on the corn-laws, postponed his motion for a Bill to enable the county of Cork to send two additional Members to this House, to replace those formerly returned for Sudbury, till after Easter. Mr. WYSE, under similar circumstances, postponed his motion for leave to ['ring in a Bill relating to art-unions. LICHFIELD FREE SCHOOL, Lord INGESTRE then proceeded to bring under the con sideration of the House the petition of Thomas Wood, pro• printer of the Wolverhampon chronicle, in relation to Lichfield ee School. He would vs ish to call attention. —( Oh, oh.) He hoped the House would hear him patiently, he would be very brief ; but it would be better to let him go on; if they did not, he would adjourn the House.—(Laughter.) The memo rial he alluded to had been signed by the Mayor and Cor poration of Lichfield; and if the House would inquire into it, they would agree with him in saying that it would be too bad if the editors of newspapers were to be treated in this way. There had been two actions brought, one against the pub lisher of the paper, and the other against the editor, and a verdict of forty-eight shillings, with costs, was obtained. He had thus briefly stated the case, which he did not wish to dwell upon. it was a case of the greatest individual hardship, and he had therefore deemed it his duty to bring it under the consideration of the House. The Noble Lord then concluded by moving that the memorial of the editor be taken into consi deration by the House. Lord J. RUSSELL said he had no intention whatever to enter into the merits of this question at present. He belie►ed that there were many similar cases, and he thought it would be unfair to decide exclusively upon the merits of this particular case. But he merely wished at present to submit to the House that, whatever might be their desire to deal with the question, nothing should be brought forward which would have the effect of delaying the settlement of the important measure which had been brought forward by the Right Hon. Baronet.—( Hear, hear.) He would ask whether it would be unreasonable if he moved that the orders of the day be then read ? Unless some good reasons were shown for proceeding with the motion at present, he would certainly insist that the consideration of the orders of the delay ought not to be delayed, because the people of this country, particularly those of the manufacturing districts, were in a state of the greatest alarm lest the session should prematurely close before the question of corn was settled.—( Hear, hear. ) The greater portion of the labouring classes of the country were at present almost wholly without employment, owing to the doubts which existed as to the settlemen of the present Alinisterial measures. And that being the case, he did think that it would be unfair further to postpone that settlement, by entertaining such a motion as was then before the House. He would, therefore, move that the orders of the day be proceeded with. Dr. BOWRING wished to ask, whether there would,be any compact between the Noble Lord and the Government if he consented to postpone the motion? Sir R. PEEL said he would have no objection to promise that, if the motion were postponed, the document alluded to should be laid before the House on an early day. Mr. WYSE hoped that the House would not delay the set tlement of the important question of the corn-laws by enter taining the motion at present. Sir R. H. IN GLIS would prefer the postponement of the corn-law debate, so that the motion might be fully discussed. Lord INGESTRE said he merely moved for the memorial, in order to get it brought under the notice of the House. He would consent that the debate should be adjourned till to morrow week. The debate was accordingly adjourned till to-morrow week. ART UNIONS BILL. Mr. WYSE would not detain the House by entering into the merits of the Bill he was about to introduce. He would simply move for leave to bring in a Bill to legalise art unions. PROTECTION OF LIFE (IRELAND). Mr. POULET SCROPE moved for leave to introduce a Bill for the better protection of life in Ireland, by means 01 the better relief of the destitute poor therein. Sir JAMES GRAHAM would not offer the slightest oppo sition to the introduction of the Bill. Leave was given to introduce the Bill. HARBOUR DUES. Mr. HUME moved—To discharge address March 3, rela. tive to hat bours, and insert the folhiwing : —Address for are. turn of the several dues and charges of every kind levied as port harbour dues on shipping, and on goods im ported and landed at each port, harbour, and creek in the United Kingdom ; stating the rates of the several dues per ton, or other weight or measurement, or per tally, and distingui , hing, in each harbour, the amount levied on shipping from the amount levied on goods, so as to ex hibit the entire amount of port and harbour charges of every kind levied on the shipping, and on goods landed at each of the ports, harbours, and creeks of the United Kingdom, the ag- gregate levied on shipping and on goods in Scotland, England. and Ireland, for each of the years 1d44 and 1845. Also A similar return from the several docks in London river, and other rivers and harbours in the United Kingdom, and riot in cluded in the above order, for the same period.--Motion agreed to. FRIENDLY SOCIETIES' BILL. On the motion for resuming the adjourned debate, Sir J. GRAHAM observed that it was the intention of the Government to postpone till after Easter the amended Bill with reference to Friendly Societies, and also the second reading of the Hon. Member for Oldham's Factory Bill. REGISTRATION OF VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL. Colonel RAWDON wished to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether, in the measure contemplated by Govern ment with respect to the Registration of Voters (Ireland), any provision is to be made for the shortening of borough elections? Sir It. PEEL said it was the intention of the Government to limit them to one day. Mr. 0 RSMBY GORE presented a petition from the county of Mongomny against the Government measures. THE ADJOURNED DEBATE ON THE CORN 111- PORTATION BILL. Lord POLLINGTON said he rose on the the present oc• casion to express his opinion in opposition to the measure of her Majesty's Government. He had given them, during the last five years an earnest and truthful, but not a blind sup port, as witness his vote on the occasion of the Maynootb grant. The last vote that he had given in favour of her Ma jesty's Government was on the occasion when the Hon. Mem ber for Hull (Mr. Hutt) proposed to admit corn from the colonies at a nominal duty. To that question, in as far as it related to the present measure, he would address himself. He had never belonged to a protection society, nor attended a pro tection meeting; and the reason of that was, that he did not agree in all things with the principles or policy of these who constituted such societies. In last session of Parliament the Noble Lord the Member for the city of London proposed a series of resolutions, one of which was on the subject of the corn-laws, that he (Lord Pollington) opposed at the time; and he would still tell that Noble Lord, that if he called for a total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws, he would not place himself under his guidance. They had heard a great deal about compensation to the landed interest; and, in an other place, a Noble Duke had given the assent to the expe riment of a repeal of the corn-laws on account of the compen sation afforded. But he (Lord Pollington) said, that if they removed all restrictions on foreign grain, they should, at the same time, remove all burdens that pressed upon the landed interest. This they were bound to do. If the farmers went to great expense in acquiring chemical skill and scientific ap pliances, and had to give a good education to their sons, it was but right that they should be placed in a position to meet them. Rather than repeal the corn-laws, and give the farmers com pensation for doing so, they ought to promote as much as possible the colonies, so as to make them integral parts of the British empire; and then, when they could not produce suffi cient supplies of food for their increasing population at home, they would have the colonies to fall hack upon.— ( Hear, hear.) By considering those countries as integral portions of this empire, this Government admitted that they were bound to take their produce. He denied that this mode of dealing would have the effect of creating any feelings of jealousy. With regard to Russia, his opinion was that that country would follow the example of this by dealing with their import duties in the same way as this country had dealt with the duty on French brandy. There was another reason why he was opposed to the present measure, which was this—he pre ferred relying en his own country to any other for a full sup ply of agricultural produce.—(Hear, hear.) He had taken his course, and no man on earth should make him swerve from it,—( Hear, hear.) Mr. PLUMPTRE (after a few words which were lost in the confusion occasioned by Hon. Members leaving the House) said, he believed the measure to be rash and un just. Hon. Members had changed their opinions, and 'the reasons they had given were not sufficient. The Right Hon, Baronet had said, that because he had changed his opinion, he felt himself at liberty to consider all the speeches which he had made when holding different opinions as disposed of. It might be very easy to dispose of declarations, hut it was not quite so easy to dispose of facts. In the county in which he resided, and which be had the honour to represent, it was in variably found that low prices producad low wages, and that. in fact, according to circumstances, and the range which corn took, there was neither more nor less actually than a sliding-scale. At the time when corn was low labourers' wages had been about 10s. a week, when it became very depressed indeed in price wages sunk to 7s. a week, but when the price of wheat rose the wages of the labourer rose to as much as 13s. 6d. a week. These, he thought, as they were facts, were unanswerable arguments in opposition to the Right. Hon. Baronet's measure. If he looked around, he felt compelled to say, that he could not find one public man, who had been connected with the Government for the last three years, in whom he could place the smallest confidence. The Right Hon. Baronet had assured the House that the year 1840 had been a year of great trouble and deep anxiety to him, owing to the Chartists having established themselves in large bodies, and occasioning great disturbance. He (Mr. Plumptre) entertained no doubt, that it was a year of great anxiety and trouble, but those days had gone by. Yea, those days had passed, but he would ask, was not the course which was now being pursued one of the most likely means to bring about a repetition of the scenes of violence which had char acterised those times ? The failure of the potato crop was put forth as the ostensible cause of a repeal of the corn-laws, but he must say that it appeared to him to be a very insufficient cause. The present movement seemed to have been brought about almost entirely by the agitation of that unconstitutional body the Anti Corn-law League, and he would ask when that body had accomplished their purposes, was not the country ex posed to having other leagues formed, and thrust upon it, which would not be satisfied entirely until their requirements, however extravagant, should be satisfied. Perhaps, before very long, it will be found expedient to coincide with the opinions of the Chartists, with respect tol the extension of the suffrage, and by thus going forward in the dark, in consequence of such miserable expediency, the golden reign of a wise and prudent limited monarchy might be translated into the wild and ruthless rule of an iron democracy. He thought, most sincerely, upon his best judgment and conscience, that he should be promoting an injury to the country if he did not oppose the present measure, and, therefore, under these circumstances he should most strenuously oppose it. Mr. HAWES said that the Hon. Member who had just sat down had been pleased to characterise the present measure as a dangerous measure, and that public opinion was not thoroughly enlisted in its favour. He would refer the Hun. Gentleman to the numerous petitions presented to that House from London, Manchester, Liverpool, and other large manu facturing districts, all of which prayed that the proposed measure might be passed without any unnecessary delay, on the ground that it would promote the general prosperity o f th e country.—( Hear, he ar .) He must take the liberty to say that there never had been a great question can vassed in that House the opponents of which had met with so little sympathy from all sides as those who had undertaken to obstruct the progress of the present measure. He was not aware that any sympathy had been shown in the opposition to the silk question; and, then, Kish r<speet imber, were there any petitions presented from persons deal ing in that article in opposition to her Majesty's Ministers? kle Ham) repreavated a yery large eonstitueuoy con nected with various trades, and he had not received a single remonstrance, nor a single representation to induce him to say one word in opposition to the course proposed by the Govern ment. On the contrary, all that he had heard had tended to confirm his previously conceived opinion, that the measure taken as a wholewas wellcalculated to promote the best interests of the country. He felt glad that none of that acrimony of feeling which had characterised the previous debate on the subject had been shown on the present occasion, and he did hope that the lion. Gentlemen opposite would give her Ma jesty's Ministers some intelligible arguments to deal with and answer, instead of endeavouring to cover them with obloquy and shame. Ile expected that the Hon. Gentlemen opposite would have furnished s ome tangible reasons to induce us to believe that protection was necessary to be upheld for the maintenance of the agricultural interests. They had shown us that the price of corn was high, and had proved at the same time that protection had effected that object. He (Mr. Hawes) would undertake to show that since the date of 1815, when the great experiment of the corn-law system of England was tried, the Agricultural Committee had isevariably con demned the laws and the principles of those laws which the Honourable Gentlemen opposite now sought to uphold One of the most important advocates of the alteration of the law in 1815 had supported the measure, because, he said, that it was absolutely necessay to els something to prevent the diminution of the price of corn to such an extent as would throw the land out of cultivation. The corn-laws were not originally intended to uphold the price of corn, but the object of the introduction of the law 1815 was to prevent the price of corn from diminishing below a certain moderate standard. Such a measure would not have been necessary bad there been no legislative interference in matters of trade. If encourage ment had been given to every species of manufactures, there would have been no necessity for any Parliamentary inter ference in regulating the price of corn. Manufactures, and every kind of staple trade, had repudiated protection altogether. Notwithstanding the law of 1815 was passed ; he would ask Hon. Gentlemen opposite, if it had been successful and useful to them as agriculturists ? The Hon. Gentleman then re ferred to the report of the Agricultural Committee of 1821, 1822, and 1823—in the drawing up of which Mr. Huskisson had taken a part—to show that protection had not tended to benefit the agricultural interest,but, by keeping out foreign competition, dad been influential in depressing the property of agriculturists. They would find the labourer much better off when the Trice of corn was low, and food abundant, than when it was other wise. The Committee of 1836 was largely composed of the landed interest, and the result of their labours showed that the condition of the labourer was greatly improved when prices were low, as compared with what it was when they were high. He would now ask the gentlemen opposite on what principles they intended to proceed ? They had not se cured steadiness in price—they had not secured high prices. All they had done was to introduce uncertainty, doubt, and dismay.—( Hear, hear.) Protection very clearly had not been productive of benefit to the agricultural labourer. He thought that the protection hitherto granted had failed. The law of 1842 had failed—its authors admitted that it had failed ; and the very fact of Gentlemen opposite calling for the opening of the ports showed that they co n d e mned that law.—(Hear, hear.) That very act was the condemnation of protection. He would ask, had they any experience of the working of free trade? He thought the law of 1773 was one which bore closely on the point. The commerce of this country at that time continued to flourish. The late Lord Sydenham had strongly expressed his opinion on that subject ; but, before he woull allude to that further, he would just call the attention of the House to the period to whirls he alluded, when there was partially a free trade in corn. From the year 1773 to 1795, the imports into this country were 4,100,0001., while the exports were 2,400,0001., showing a balance of imports over exports of 1,600,000/. The population increased during the same period from 7 to 8 millions—popu lation increased, trade increased, and agriculture was thriving. —( Hear, hear.) But the period to which he especially alluded was from 1781 to 1792. The highest price of corn then was 425., 375., 365., 445., 455., 545. The lowest price was 415., 345., 365., 42e, 475. The greatest difference of fluctuation luring the one period being only 75., and the lowest 25., and there was no period when the commerce of the country in creased to the same extent in so short a time. All this oc curred during the partial operation of free trade. He would now remind the House of what prices were from 1742 to 1748. The price of corn was on an average about :303. ; what was the eoedition of the people during that time? Adam Smith said that there never was a period when the labouring population was in a more thriving condition. This surely proved then, that under the operation of low prices the condition of the labouring classes had not deteriorated, but had improved. Between the years 1773 and 1793 there had been a controversy as to the price of corn, and the connexion of the country banks with farmers. In that controversy Sir Francis Baring had taken a part, and the opinion of that great authority upen commercial affairs was, that the lowest price of corn was not sufficient to fix a remunerative price for agricultural produce. He (Mr. Hawes) was of opinion that, from the great improve ments which hail taken place in cultivation, the farmers would be enabled to grow more wheat than they had hitherto done, and therefore they would be able to compete with the produce of the foreign markets.—( Hear, hear.) It was seen that when wheat was at 1255. and down to 565., there was no one mint at which a remunerating price could be fixed. The. English farmers had derived, and he hoped they would con tinue to derive, remunerative profits at even the lowest prices of corn. He was of opinion that the effect of the corn law upon the social state of the people of this country was most pernicious. The farmers, in try'ng to meet the demand for food, were obliged to have resort to artificial means to raise the necessary supply, and hence was it that every foot of ground, which was intended for the recreation of the people, was taken for cultivation; and the result of all ,his was, that they were unable to meet the wants of the country.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") The corn-laws pre vented the supply of food from abroad, and the neces sary consequence of the continuance of these laws would be to introduce the manufacturing principle into the agricultural .)stem of this country. Now, he did not agree with such a state of things; he did not think that laws which required the Torturing of the land into something like a produce could be upheld, when it had been so clearly proved that there was not sufficient corn grown after all to meet the wants of the people. --( Hear, hear.) He was glad to find that this state of things was about to he remedied by the measure of her Majesty's Ministers, and for the reasons he had stated, he would give the Government his most cordial support, in the hope that it would benefit the country generally. Sir JOHN TROLLOPE said he represented a large con stituency, and he must say, in answer to the Honourable Member for Lambeth, who, in the opening part of his speech, had said that the measure of her Majesty's Mi nisters was one upon which all were unanimous in its favour—with regard to that certainty, he could inform the House that so far from his constituency being unanimous in favour of the measure, the feeling was quite the other way.—(" Hear, hear," from the protection side of the House.) He attended a large meeting in South Lincolnshire, called to consider the expediency as well as the general bearing of this measure upon the country, and at that meeting there was but one landowner who held up his hard in favour of it. He had heard the Right Hon. Baronet state to that House that he had come to the conclusion that such a measure was necessary to meet the wants of the country ; but the Right Hon. Gentleman said also, that he had formed his views upon the experience of the last three years of certain experiments ' in the reduction of duties. He did not think so great a ques tion could be settled upon so slight an experience as that of three years. —( Hear, hear.) An allusion had been made to the law of 1815; ho would admit that that law was the law of monopoly, and he was glad it had been amended in the year 1820, for it was one which prevented corn from coming in till it had risen to an exorbitant price. The law of 1820 had however amended this, and he (Sir J. Trollope) considered the law of that year a good one; and such as was required for the protection of native agriculture. The lion. Alemlser then quoted several authorities in support of his views of the subject. He considered that there was nothing like correct statistics regarding agriculture in this country, and thought it rather a blot upon the character of England, that it did not, like France, have a proper statis tical return of the amount of her agricultural produce.— ( Hear, hear.) Had there been proper statistics of the agri. cultural production of this country, it would be found that the farmers had made great exertions to provide food for the people. In his own county there had been an increase of 100 per cent. of corn and wheat, and the increase of the popnla t ion was not more than 20 percent.—(" Hear,bear," from Lord G. Bentinok.) Did it not f.,110w, then, that the same result would be found in other parts of the country ? and, if the ar gument was good for anything, it went to prove that the far mers of England were able to supply the demand upon them.— ( Hear, hear, and No, no.) He had heard it said that the Church were a consenting party to this me asure; but he did not think that the working clergy would so much neglect their own interests, because it would be the working clergy who would be effected by it. Then, as to the malt-tax ; that tax, he believed to operate against ; he farmer, and amounted to 70 per cent. per annum upon the raw material ; and if it were removed, the famer would be enabled to give his labourers ale at I id. per quart. He could go on enumerating many other such matters. He would ask, would not the effect of tree trade be the means of introducing the growth of the beet-root, and many other :products from which this country now derived large taxes. The legacy duty also operated against the owner of land, and added to the grievances of free trade ; for instance, be bought a piece of land lately, and had to pay nearly five years' rent for the cost of conveyancing. In Ireland also, he did think this measure would have a most injurious effect, by lessening the value of land, on which the people of that country depended entirely for their support. He was in Ireland during the whole of the summer of 1822, when a large sum of money was made up to relieve the people from the famine that then prevailed. The late defect in the potato crop had nearly been fatal ; and, therefore, this was not the period at which to les sen the value of the produce of land at home. He did not think that foreign countries would give this country the benefit of the proposed reductions, for he heard that in France they were raising the price of brandy ; but they did not at the same time say they would admit British produce upon the same advantageous terms ; while France might still contend that their wines also should be admitted at the same reduction as that made upon brandy. He did not see that in America any reduction of the tariff was proposed, at least not such a reduction as would meet the free-trade measures of this country; and, therefore, from that part of the world they had not much to expect either, while the hopes raised in Canada would be dashed to the ground. He had heard imputations of "Abandoned Monopolists" applied to those who entertained views on this question like his own ; but he would say he would rather abandon all his property than act in any way that would make such imputations applicable to him. But he could not avoid saying that it appeared to him that these epithets were more applicable to Hon. Members at the other side, because he would contend for it that the first class of persons who would be affected injuriously by this measure would be the agricul tural labourers, whose wages would be lessened, and many of whom would be thrown out of employment by the quantity of land that would be cultivated into pasture.—( Hear, hear. ) Why should not this country have the power to do in the pre. sent day as the ancient Romans did, namely, to keep up a store of corn to meet a period of scarcity?—( Hear.) He re gretted to have trespassed so long upon the attention of the House ; he seldom did so ; but so long as he held a seat in this House he would ever advocate his principles honestly and independently.—( Hear, hear. ) Sir JOHN HANMER said he could point attention to acts passed in 1670 and other early periods, in which protective clauses were passed for the express purpose of keeping down the price of corn. And from 1689, for several years after, the effect of this protective system was in fact to raise the price of corn, though it was intended to keep it down. In 1791, came the revolutionary wars, and if the price of corn was then raised, that could not be said to be attributable to the corn-laws Let them come to the corn-law of 1828, which they all at present concurred in, and he would ask what had been the effect of that? Had they not seen corn stored up in bond never brought into market, yet exercising an influence on pricesoutside; Looking, therefore, on these matters, he should confess himself a sceptic on the score of protection. A great deal had been said with regard to the effect the present measure would have on foreign nations; now, he should confess that in that point of view it possessed its greatest recommendation in his eyes. He had been informed that in Russia it would have a very bene ficial effect, as an alteration in the tariff of that count, highly valuable to England, was certain . .to . result. Therefore, in his opinion, it wa s In.glL _time that the present measure should be brought forward (Hear, hear.) 'Viewing all these matters, then, he implored of Hon. not .1 0 Gentlemen to cease had as aver g their et7,,,fn ~, appsorpretet ion, when they had perry. He entreated of them to look to the substance rather than the shadow. if they wished for a fixed duty, his vote should be recorded against it, as be believed it would prevent prices ranging in such a way as would alleviate the pressure° competition.—(Hear, hear.) Lord EBRING TON was anxious to address a few °b'effral tions to the House. He had no intention of following UP o f spirit of the debate in the way in which it had opened, ' s ent preferred taking a different course. As to the crinunesee and recriminations that hail taken place, he left the course by the Government to be attacked as it might by their frae4 e , and defended as it best could by the Government theses'', re It must not be forgotten that they bad in prospect the tot•et to peal of the corn-lows, and yet they were cursed wit% sliding scale fer three years. The Hon. Member for tee bi of London had, in the year 184'2. predicted the state in* o r the corn trade would he, and remarked, that though o re „fe then at a low price (61s. 2d. ), bread w as not a bit cheaere s o the consumer. The Hon. Gentl e m an w h o h a d just sa" sp e had seen his error, and he trusted that he would irnPrr e s ese the Government the necessity of r e p e aling this pernietelt - tern, which had nothing whatever to do with protectilefig was doubting_ the absurdity of the f o rmer system by re n it uncertain at what price corn could be sold. What thel t el done they should hate done well, so as to put a stoP te o is agitation which had existed, and w hi c h was so ralisehilsoet it' effrcts. The season was f a v o u ra bl e f or th e a d o ption 0 0 1 a measure. The unpreced en t e d accumu l a ti on o f c oent s o d eel feared by Hon. Gentle men oppos i te , was not to b e fete t ee the scarcity of food, and the peculiar circumstances dive s tle would protect the fa rmer f rom any su dd en i nc rease i fee competition in corn. The farmer expected, with the did Gentleman, that there would be a great increase in corne e tiog' o s u a ld y, n w o i t th th r v e e g il a u rd po t n e. thethe hvpeifgr,Ooli)nec'ehtra'healalle.lets►er: believed there would be a great diminution in the eldn'esel and at the end, of three year,' the farmer would fiodb'sroed unnrotected and exposed to foreign competition. ID Gee' not discuss all the burdens on land alleged by the flenh e tel r pp h o e si w te o ' uld li o e nl w y &c. tiem ; en bu o county-rates, the burden was left on real and,legitirro l perry. It fell as heavily upon houses as it did uP e e e e et There was a burden on land which he had not heard Or alluded to in this debate, although the Hon. Member fl ' c liO colnshire had alluded to it. It was one which put veri li d money in her Majesty's Treasury, and yet fell the landed proprietors. It was the property duty fer or mortgage of small estates, and rendered tbeir tra eso tremely difficult. It fell ve r y h eav il y on t h e c h ang e °r ee ' t ne 4 of large properties. They h a d a r i g h t to d eman d t' fie should be a Bill to enable th em t o se ll t h e i r land ' dearest and to purchase in the chearest mark et :. thought that the law of r ea l property wouldle",` be found to be a burden on land, but social:f e el politically mischimous. He denied that the scheme sea; f esi i and comprehensive which p ro p ose d t o re li eve Scotland the burden caused by the maintenance of one large Prn e e ss., yet left this master g r ie vance un t ouc h e d. H e did not in fee say that nothing had been done since the report ot dewy Property Commissioners, but he did think, that according id St recommendation of the C omm i ss i oners , some Bill 'Meet , ' brought in to alleviate th e p resen t sys t em . A very r I s e able proof might be given of the supposed effect of the v eal real property on the va l ue o f l an d. I n t hi s ceuntry, much social import ance wa s connecte d w i th t h e posse" t he land, land was sold at fewer years' purchase than n e e r Continent. On the Co n ti nent l an d was worth 45 yeariett chase in some cases, arid in England from twenty-'s ite thirty years' purchase. In thd sale of an estate in Sae at', shire, it had cost the vendor 4,600/. and the purchaser ' s iee The same evils relating to property that existed in l ot were to be found in Scotl an d. I n t h e Hi g hl an ds of oe#, there was found the same want o f emp l oyment and tueseter absence of a middle cl ass; an d t h oug h t h ese ev ils we re mire present aggravated with re li g i ons content i on , th a t stat e fe' soon be brought about by the treatment which the, Church was likely to receive from the landlords of that's, A try.—(Hear, hear.) W a l es , lik e I re l an d an d Scotian ° r td also suffering, not from the oppression of the poor-lawlstli operation of the " Bastiles," as they were called, but is circumstances in which the holders of property wer e P el, Unless the burdens i m p ose d on rea l property wer e remel t eell would be impossible to get rid of this state of things. t ol l therefore, absurd to c a ll th e measure o f t h e Govern./ te t t ; great and comprehensiv e one . N o measure was entitle s, called such unle:s it grappled with this state of thh,;gpe made a final and satisfact o ry se ttl emen t o f th e difficee r t ' s , surrounded personal and r ea l p roper t y . The G° le were bound to suggest some plan to meet the evil ; er ' s were not prepared with a pl an , th en th ey oug ht t° re-s-uspsee, the Real Property Commissioners, to inquire into the e, and to report to the H ouse , t h a t it m i g h t legislate upon t eet e r Mr. RASHLEIGH said he could not remain sflen ssf present occasion after what had b een s t a t e d. He had T s tation to say that if this measure passed it would e sratb il n giving a bonus to agitati on . H e as k e d t h e Ri g ht o°ll- 0 f r Baronet how he could consi s t en tly suppor t th e agita tl l e siti;l Anti-Corn-law League—( Laughter from the °P d to benches )—seeing that from his position he was bounty ors down agitation ?—(Laughter and ironical cheers fro g nue e t position benches.) Th e M em b er f or S toc k or t migh t ri what he stated, but he (M r . R as bl e i g h) w as net 'eerie down by_ him and the cre w th a t sa t b e hi n d hims-ek iit ll " Order.") He was astonished a t th e course the gig ge ld Baronet was now taking, seeing the opinions that be 4 4, 00 longer than about tw en t y - one mont h s ago, i n July, 180ekh speech he then deliv ere d. That speech so well esef,f he If s ( Rashleigh's) views, that h e would read it. 'tl Member then read th e extract , w hi c h was t o the e," fl erfeee it was impossible to carry nu t th e r i g id p r i n ciple 0 ! ; asere economy, and that a repeal of the principle of protectedr, interfere with leases, derange the labour market, n' re (t r , established interests in a most injurious manner. ; te st i Right Honourable Baronet) was then again*/ of thing like the repeal of the corn-laws. net s ' (Mr. Reshleigh) would ask that Hon. Gentleman i t ° e 7. o de se House the reasons which in such a short time had T o this monstrous tergiversation. He called on hint e sseu e d faction on this point. If the present measure e 5; f] tit y,: i i, a that House, he hoped the other House would do its save the country from the ruin that threatened it> ti c goll oh !" from the Opposition benches.) He cared ir e e their contempt. He lived far enough from theo . , SI) region. lie knew both them and it, and he also r eit, exact strength in the affections of the operatives. It ,„ al e known that these Leaguers dared not call open meetin f li (T r a manufacturing districts, as they would be sure of de. e So w se the poor people over which they tyrannised so severetehisg e lf tiling was said the ether night of the state of the Inw he e r y tricts. He represented one of these districts, and esel asked the Hon. Member for Stockport to come down' bei di , would find the people comparatively well off, end thef ,t truck system among them. With regard to the naini ° °o4 , o he would only say, that respecting the duty on coPP; r d 16 , the Government proposition was carried out, it wone s ee j e the ruin of that branch of mining industry. He had t slv s e ral letters on this subject, and they all gave expressioiLlethi an opinion. The Hun. Member then read extracts 1r ;.4 letters, we ~, ich were strongly condemnatory of th e ftte alteration in the tariff regarding copper ore. Gre n , r ef o e was from a party in Cornwall, that employed 3,u!wrtof s e Such were the general opinions he believed in tha t P,°. e d e e country. the feeling being decidedly against the roa s io 1; 0 1 Majesty's Government. It was with great 1),,o, `sit he must vote against the Right Hon. Ba re _ i ne still he was not to be dragged through the w h ' t ieelt .s s him, and must act up conscientiously to the, s e t ieee ir upon which he had been returned to off t ee r' n e He was elected in 1841, not as a pledged advocate 0 , je tee t s laws, but he was expected to advocate the agriculturatsd feto of the country. He could assure the House that be J:i c eP his duty to maintain the fixed principles which bed , now seemed to abandon, and he was determined , wei so e tamed his seat, that, however others might falsifyrA ciples he would preserve his own consistency. sg e Mr. BARING would have bsen much disincli nee ; come forward on this subject, but as it seemed a settleotioet, ment that the question should be debated in a gle e ? n og ee felt some little anxiety that the debate should e n y o re'eil until he had expressed his cordial support of the me°,,e be of troduced by her Majesty's Government. And, alth e e e e r e si e se not mean to deny there were many points in thep r to te did the R:ght Hon. Baronet which might properly lead, ° elitist sion ; yet, looking at the question as a whole-1000;',0 . it as giving so much present good, and a s he 11 0 , the seeds of so much future benefit, a t. r fo r give the measure his utmost seer qet ebr . te thought that, after hearing the speech of the Hon. ' fa b W ;0 11 Lambeth that evening, it was quite unnecessary "'Ay notice the observations of Hon. Members on the o esil until that speech had been replied to. Nothing ne it! A l developed in the course of the debate, unless, ind ee n pre:e be the formation of a third party, diametrically ;Wel; their leading principles to the two great p a rties d o ri el/ been wont to divide the House, and which now stl r• fectiv independent position. But to that party he ( I ', didptd i would be inc fined to put the question—what O n e r e -e see e , e 4 intend to follow on the present occasion ? "rePee, his Hon, Friend the Member for Liskeard, that h afee ir e ought to have some great guiding principle ; re 's dered, further, that that party were bound to W ee d h sr ef House the course they letended to follow. He trane r em o< unnecessary to assure Gentlemen opposite that in et One he should be obliged to make, re: personal disreseeu e otee, to any of them. He admired ' the spirit and the e' etre', they had evinced under peculiarly diffiet n s `boui t. e stances ; and, therefore, if any expreseien prsV l from him, which might be deemed offi d l e severe, he hoped it would not be attributed to anY re esrd or hostile feeling. It was very well to create a 0 400;1 the Government measure—very well, indeed, toe rn;"0 ferent course ; but he would remind Hon. Gentleoeeresppe's public and the country received the proposal of fbe tfr oret t e sbee with acclamation, and he thought that when gen t ' vibe ; t ‘h r f site had taken it upon themselves to form a Pa rt Y -- o eel porji expressed their disapprobation of the policy 0°4 9 0.04 4 , Right Hon. Baronet—when they stated that hew g e 09 ' 0 4 of further confidence, surely he (Mr. Baring) ' ca t Ol e k t, ask, when they thus disapproved of the prese n li ee,y - s e F heatwht was the one they themselves with prepared togetteehooeit ountry? He had listened considerabl e , o il tbe 4 the long debate which had taken place, and he ban arty 04-e to fathom the future course of the protectionist p f - oe Se n n rejected the present measure. The Hon. Memb er wo oleli had said that this battle was for all, and that th e r or .- of no compensation. He should be glad t o e e old be 9 opinion was the opinion of the party; he 'li th e c OO Ri to learn what they proposed to lay before ee t he if they rejected the proposal b ro ught forwurd f oo d ro pe; Hon. Baronet. Let them recollect the adrnissi°d"tbiqersrel Right Hon. Gentleman, when b r i ng i n g forwa r ce i y ee s or o s tion on a former day. He stated that he C e t n ake pre e p ell s e sary, as early as the month of November, to by is 6 dt td to meet the scareity anticipated in 'he country' , Order in Council for the suspension of the corniseinst'3o eq P be now admitted by all, that the Right Hon. Genet hire esie, have issued that order. It was objected againstthetas I:jece A had not done so, and with that admission before , any isjeci; asked Hon. Gentlemen opposite why they delay o l r i n g) d ot3, tion as to their future intentions ? He (Mr. do e l f had heard of the British lion, he had heard of n e a ie Lo r th ie and he perfectly admired the spirit of the I \ "'S e wer` 01'4 speaking on this question, asked them what e t ij og o iS4 were prepared to bring forward—was it d r ' , be v isJ o that they were prepared to substitute? Pe ! t r y n g sot ii ee in favour of the sliding scale? They were it" there ask what arguments they were prepared to n, a 1:11,0 % ed that if they did not give to protection a fixed d t e e t i e e ; th y ellse e t be no reliance placed upon it. They • the"( of Gentlemen opposite were quite read . , to meet h , es 0 hos ,i, corn-laws.—(Cr —( ur' t he es° Ireland by a suspension of the c r , 4 duty was better than any other mode w of er n e roten ti lO r l, 419 eo ese to defend the sliding scale, when they had express .o pe ie t e no.") He would like to know how they would go t 9 tee roof ness to support the Right Hon. Gentleman in a n ol o. , p r o the corn-laws.—(No, no.) Then he had . 01 '00 1 11e; ) teen-twentieths of the House shared.—( Cheers .' ; I r y es them, but it was certainly a misunderstanding in 1104 0 ; Member for Somersetshire had stated that n o i s e I t iette ready to support suspension, and he stated tha n, Gen os t were ready to do so too. Was it a fixed duty g u fra id opposite were prepared to support ? He was 3 ,,,eSti l : bid time was passed for such a settlement of the, e s e t ieese e thought that Hon. Gentlemen were perfectle e skreeo ee circumstances in changing their opinions• rl g e y ee t eel again, did they believe that they were prepared t eey ' rer sce le e. 4l country on the question of a fixed duty ? If s eeiefti mined to adhere to a sliding scale, to what they propose to attach themselves ? n est te ele to know whether they had settled auto b tO• 0 10 scheme which they were prepared to adhere 0 „„ r ty , a , lc the Noble Lord who had led the proteetto to th e ete'" bet of (Lord George Bentinck) to state .ed ° ld tif hieing'' scheme he was sou' 00.0 and go to the country with ? Ther i o .. 911 The countrlesstlelloool wa s doubt that the majority of that the measures of her Majesty's Goveruniell. s opp Muse of Hon. Gentlemen gyrate was tkal _PQ be throe cost of lortable should .Hon. C Klidicult.~ melch ot} 'The qu :saeter. :people— they trek What w