The Sun. — London, England, 1805-06-06 00:00:00

• • P. J. •I W in; iaVanY .nt •t) 'that I c.:,.=nuot • ' -rost. any coi-znitn". , clniori sorer of ti.e'S,e/y. p rev it ins' r,.; its b Ang sribv• - : ,to .yonr con --I bi-, lie.k - c I glad nel 1.1 conarreanir: , .. .11 the sai)te eril - :.Ot asi,-.7hat v .contiuied inWe Did.ypia take any steps yoltrelf, Cr give dire,e.tions for steps to be t f ake.n, '"Ordz - •r - , to ,ver•ifv the. state ments and al)..ega&ns containe3 in that -Memorial ? 1-do not reccricEt that, I did 1 had no doubt of the; t n ith pf the fads rePrestilte ' d.. •• • * • .A.reAVrioi of PriVy cot- acquitting Public Oat otri 01.-t efielencies due to theirs by} persons •eMployed undethern usual do not apprchmd the in stances 40 , ..frercia..,nt..; but I take' it 'to - be the re.gti lar mode of g.ving a clisharge 'whe';•e•any eircnin , stances appear to .justif?! . . it. , . . Do von recoiled any instance of a slmilar nature? I . do i7at at this moment, - but I rather believe Others have occitrrol .Ahile I have been at the 'Treasury, Did yon'take the opinion of the Law Officel-s.of the Crown cut the propriety or legality of the-Writ • in question not..; I co nCCIVC the 'propriety rf it ,to reit. .on -rounds, on -Which the Tica,ury -‘‘ , e•re thetnselves.competent decide ;of its 1 , ...ga.; !iv I rot Do you know wh , instrument ?—NO, I (It+ nOt !-•04)17 , 0 , ie t" ' • iH 4 . • r ofthe Treaitiry. , • Did you h it . the state of the pro reedit; 111 (:I 11, I lot t ituted by dire6 . tion:•of L f t: to recover the debt due tv,n, Mr. v tw^ 1 tit probable--that I did, .hat Ic2nnot. •.!,1 to say ; I do not re collect I.l,...:.particnirs tie .r A stliziotent prectsioD. Have,you at any' time since gi'ien any direaions • .for proceedings to be con!.....r.ned on the part of the Public fOr c the balance still due from the estate of ?*--,.1 'do not, reeplleEt that I have ; I cfnceived. tihst .t.be Sblicitor rn the .Treasury had rtvion. - - 1 . been dirreetecr Zo fake all the steps in his po , . , er; .1 r.z.i.st eso add; . - th4t it Was' not many 11.1:7entilS aftir that f,eri , A that qtiitted office: VOl4 Solicitor' has suspended all r,roeetaings . in . thr. the year 179:1,1 or ? 7 ....iarn not, c.:f.ct;pl. as fak as appears by his e'fiatl‘e bcfore the Cornmissioners of Naval Irvin; •Slr.oe Ybui'retlin-tOtoffici,'., and since that fac,t. was so brought to your Observation‘ have you:taken 'any stem to ,ascent in ats'.trutia , ;. or given any toward obtainipgthe 'h-Lance °tithe part. of the Pub : lie have not taken any step on the subje.O.since - my returrt to (dice- • • , Have you had any conversation, will - Lord Mel` :vile on the subjeasinCe,. the ismle 01. the Writ 'of Privy.Seal:?--*l'lle'aubjeell.rriay. have beeri Mention,. but I have no recolleition of any: particular con .: versation upon it. • - Had you at any. tinaelnly.reasen to doubt that. the proceedings against , the estate ,of Mr. Jellicbe:were duly rarriertomand the proceeds rt , .gularly ac outtt . el 10t,11 discharge/Pthis balince ?--1. ilc, not,recOl. . lea any xircuinstance 1114. gave me any i•eason tO - doubt it. . - • Did ' , nu consider any fresh instrualons on the part rif the-Treasury as necessary' to secure. to the Public .the entire o f ,such. proceeds ?- - --It neye..r occurred "Co : ..*mo. that they were; nor-do .141bw conceive that they were. Hai you any:information given yoti at the. eii - ne, Of the nature of the proceedings instituted, of the situation iir Which'they stood, aril 0: I.ittl - rcpt!CUltioll that might 'b9 reasonably fortned.d further pr, weeds from t.l.w 0.:1qt% Jelliec , e; and in Nylic,!;c hands was placcti c9llrnlct of the, nthinet;,; ?- 7 -1, have no doubt that had,,,th;'..P.l- ' I: ...lino n o w 't It':,', 111)x11111)x11 recollection,: the partieulars of ti.t1.41 I i 'll,lll 1,1t101.1. • LA letter from the Naval coraniksioners raid.] `The Ettiminotion of Thotrirli• 1;;sq.; taken the 7th..,,/ 11(111, 180?,. . i): -: ; t t of the Bank lit the year t ' • --Mr. Daniel GlicS; he is ' a ; r.txt :of the I.larl+, 1. y , rl to3ll or loiin eon, ' . ?r--tdo riot e.v.at. - 1 7 ~; 7 given by the Bank, of • . : , ••• : ,;r diseourts about. the „ of i79til , -4 P, ont; cannot exaetly , . ; ; c oricittcr on tn , e part of 'lit 01 : :Boyd arid Corn. ny; t, tc, chi( 'l)Ol.lE , e 1 ' as‘:th6•Dank ai..iroartted bills told wix 4 id disivuut for his hctwe the ti 'etl).e...tillOtuse of the most I:jr..B9yd 'requirrA an ac , . tition of qiK tirr.C.e.,i the amount '. hich 1. to tly , " n7tsst I.6Speq9ble:•hiorises. - . Baiik.; iri point of fsr.t,Arc'..at: the house of : P iil - itra4Y as o:tiy• oth6r;:c.n....nercial ?--I believe they , did, until by their 'own opinion of their own 111 t time did the opirlit.tri of their credit. dirr...ln,sh, so as to ind.w.e the Bank to altir theaa ?---.4t ip ittipossible for me' toy di-tetra".,-ie tivat by mernot.', , i)elieve ahout the yiAt 17oti. rn'- le, Pt" t6ttl I d wEi tle.Chancellor of thesExcheil tier op. thesiibi.,tm.:t'of narrowing tit , : ,dlicotints ?—I no doubt it *kites iteotioned 11i the frequent con ' fere.accs the, Goveynorranl, I hrid - with the (hat c::1. of ,Exchequer itt that. time: Do yodrecoll4t any partictilar rrtention itl "Inv of "cdnierchaes of tbi. , house of Boyd and , patty ?—No, ao not. tl ,, ou#co r11e.,& I,Vhrrthehouse of 130 yd anal (`'v . ) - fancl ?.;••-:1 no not recollet'i I N'as the state of the money Marl *,zt .in AuguSt ), , "e matte it diflicalt - or ,hrinfis::i -17915 such as to b l ' V.) hrlve di:taunted Nav,v,, or Mils „. aSt at short dates 1-I.t. h) the irripoible for ice to , t-ec6l • NVerci-the difilcultics of the BanleT consif.leray.le aboiti. the nionths of August. ( 't q 6" es, the pri.;,3stite for discounts IN' its ;-* 'very i;cilyy. ..77TY 7; • !! t' , • • ; • - eirct, , t;as tlit - , general nsc , , , :i.c‘re talien ~,, '.: , - ~,,,,. to the honse of 'Boyd in particular 'f.---1 ! - ..i in the Bank .Y.lB yc;ri, #ti i-1ic: , .. , :_, . ~. I , .. , ..t. on such' iir:i . 4' collAti,e . .:t.l6ni• II: I'd you. been aWare"that„a ,•:.! ~ ~, ; i 1 . , ,11.1: , money, lA.thiai hi 7 I.a \k' otIgIV: i :., I ' '. + ' :"#..-:'. i; i ..* i ] i the Bahli.' It'll' the tinte at which it. -.1.....t be :c.van ::.. to be. applied to the S}'-Cell : s?•rvv:o for which, it ii i been i•;.,-itted Co the •Dank, - v.r0 , .11.i.:be Withdrawn:for. the. 1) , :tly();;e of :upplirtilig the house of 13oyd,.shOultl. 'yaw have thou7;in: it yoUr drtty, with a : view, to the - , interests-.of the Corporation t: : , f which youthen • had, in c, , ,mijunetion with - Nit. Gilt., the principal manige.-.. iiwnt, under the:ditlicultios of the Bank at that ,N rind, to - Iteive , : rerriolistAtted ' with the Chanreifor of the ExcheqUer' on suell ; transaEtion, :to -have made' anyrepreSentations to him - or others on the subjed, •or to have taken any ;ten's to prevent :it ?--- 7 1 c, ,, , : , tairily kneW nothing of any, such circturistan..e : if. I had known , it %I any sure foundation, - and, that any' . responAbility thereby devolved on Ow:l3dr*, I c..e tainly should have thought it right to have expostu lated with the ,t,hancellor.of the Exchequer i:pou it. Sfa te why ydtiviotthi. hay o cmpostliiated wi!,ii iiirp ? BOcause; if I lalf."V th a monies Whivl . l. , Were appro. . „ , I priated (Or the public. ice ' 'sery ere ztpplied'tothe ruse:. 1- of a tirivate individia t should have thought it re quisite,: it it.'catne tome officially, to have .inentroti, e 4 ifto the Chancellor of th_ Exchequer. . , : 1 .• Do . you remember,- in Feb. •1796, 'an,appliratien . being made- to the Bank Direetors to ititke th eu , tomary payMents on behalf of the tentradors for . the Loan taken in Nov. 179:.5..-1. cannot recollect it now from memory. Can you state whether any application Of a similar. : nature was made in May 1796,. and refused by ,the '.DireEtors ?---I cannot from my memory, but I he, elieve there was' something of .that kind happened abentf that time. ' - - . . Can' yOu recollect whether, an application Was made'to - thellankin June t79a, to advance, on the. Loan Of seven Millions and an half, taken the pre ceding April, on whiCh the Directors. 'consented to advanc , n . the 3d, 4th, and 6th payMeutS, -but not the last, "Yilich was' due the 26th of i 1-inerhory is not prepared to 'ansv.'er: this question. . . - Cat, you recolle,ct'wheiller.the ;second Loan was or was not iii October 1796, at a discount of from 8. to 9 per cent: i'.--.1, do not recollect it, • '. IS there any custom at- the Bank . . which, preveuts the:diNeretierf of ~ the rink Direc..tOrs as to 11‘,:aking adVaricestipon' Loans, aceordinglo their the solvency of the persons.:concerned ;, „! • . ~1, tract s, or. their judgment on .oilier circuii..„ .),!L.,.:. ,1 . the time ?----7.1d... . - , . : . Ha's the usual custom •of yoking aci,-:,:,,, ~: : .; certain- payments 'of Loans ever been depart . c:,:cept in the ease 4 alluded to) ! ---Yes, 1 Ic.neinl. - ,e; scvt.rd. , , Eiirtmerate . them cannot. The further Eraminati.on 4f 7'l;anias Raikes, taken the !i.h of May, 1805. Are' you aware of the.provisions of the A.a of the 6 5th tico. 111, cap. 31, for regulating -the office of Treasurer. Of tlie Navy, in so far as they relate - to the issues of public money' to . the B:inh.for• Naval Services ?—T never saw the A&, or ever heard any Firticulars of it. • Do you know, in point of fa6l; that public ine-• ney for Natal Service) issued by, the ExChequer to the Bank„ to be drawn from thence by.tho Trea, surer of ehe NaVy, or his Agent, -whep.lipplied to such sorvie i es?—Ye3, I know that is the enstdm of theibusinetts, and thatit eatne.to the Cashiefs of fice in : the Banlc, • . • • HoW is it draAtit from, thence'?---I cannot speak from my own knowledge ; the 'Cashier managesall that business. Do you know if anv sums Of money paid from the •Xxeltequer into the. any for Naval ..'Ser,dees rose beep draNcm frein I3ank, and piked in tht bands of p,rivate BankerS ? , --FroM •my a‘vn knowledge I • cannot say I do know, • Has such information h7enyegiar 7ve197. n to yu•at any time ?—Yes, I believe the whotn then 'late GOVerilQ: 'of the Bank, told me that r,lr. Dumb% then Tre3-' surtr.ef the Navy, kept his Cash, xvhielt-by !O. of Parliament; he Was diretled r keep at the:Pi:ink,: at the, private. baniting-hou,e. of Menrs: Coutt.s.a'ad Cc I -was goinq that city to the Chancellor ,of tilt ElelleqUer on litisiness• from the I3ank,,and thoug:it it pi sufileient Coll3cciente to mention the matter to t4iin, but I called in'Mr..Newlan,d, the Cashier,' ,and a:.k . f:d him as' tri the.oircumsr. , nce w;lica ne confirt•ned ; and added, thatl•Tavy Bids now pall .bydra,.ts' upon Mesbii.. Coutts. and Corppany, Insteird upon the Bank,'. as they had `formerly been , \vent to Mr'.:Pitt, after the im:r.c:ii:Lte Cif rii bu , , L i n i :s froin_the *auk' Was over, I couveri!ation mention the eiream: . F,;,1. ; hirn. Did an , , thing futl!-..r particular; I th.l-.1.:', 1 ,1117. fat , • i' orri ti on my •i it , and made no tl,:•f‘',l , t , .11 jt mt - the - 0 .0).nt of tile: i tiall.iTfi.l,l4ll, or V..lh It 111:•;, Cu; ,I:,ll4.l'.llCtttl ic7Ot that Had you any oihyr cf. - )n... , ..r.i;•;1.L;n with tilt, (11.1n cellok of the 1. , ',/..,..ch , flit(tr thL. one yet It;'ve no ,v stated ?-- I `cont.,.. • Upon a :p ) itit Of 1 his - 11:ditte, afre'ctinTt-hinte ,. (f.t of ti - w: Bank, as •:vell thoie, of the i'tthlie, ;t 1)+It. ot Oar: yri.t to , incil.iry f halter Step:3 had. fith en ill eOll-A. , p'l , f l ill_e of' pint ?—,,l • ti?rtn. it dflit", rrutde, the. nuti ter t•n0..vi1.),) 1 , :...- citeque'r, it wasi ni the ll•liAck of Ellt I',..—rs:lll 11Vi.t con pottl t to •w -t any t'ilinc• 'thtit b W nitli; ill tile (if) 11G:: .11(1).!IA any thing nionr upcAl th;t sul?..J. in - the ~,A ; s„;1 tart: I)id-)rolt, On your r9tlon-ri to the 131 - 107 ; .t1S.iIt Any minute. of the snhanttee of what 1;;id pass6l Zv i the Chancellor of till` on tili.zisithect tioned, the ina!ter flicC.:olnco:tt ., ;eot. Trc:lstzry aril several Of the Dit., - ,ct9r3, 1.1 . qt mule no particular mi. 'lute of it _ 11 Inn:l.ll.es v.-4 - ten I wa...1- LONDON ; l'rintcd by 1Z I (-ail, R 1) 11A RR IS, G f No. 4, Mart let (-court, Itove.street the SuN-01-tici.:, No. 112 ; ; T .tt slto,,lLiotivrt.',.lspll7 - trzivevlbr, bytt rin°t l . l ' I ts, Wag 110 W 17(11NUSItilat10:1; an. 4 the t;t , then wrt oli,- ,tca tL) tak,, mihtitei:of t # : 'c p;iiiect (;:jver'Hol:s tsi tilt; ligebequer; but, nutters of conveatiozi,Nyttrc. I ot included. - • . , it.ls 11(A 't:;•tal• to cause - a: minute to U tal:e7 r:rdTkliClltati,9 , 3.lp;ikie by the ,(;.;v..,711 , GoVelalor ill' tile t1:1111,:, :I :::;c:;:ied as • - - Of whont did' the Comatiitteeof Tre • .try consi2t at that Titomas ' Sartuterrhorntim, Sir Ilichard N Darell, Mr. Bosilnlwt, M i r, ex.d •11‘i • • DO. volt recolle,ailhe t 1•; ,i made n this'coninuti,cation. to IVIr. - i before sbatvd; :•,, - . „ , • What the - ..date t 111• you :made to Mr. Pitt do not itato..i, but, it wrs sonie tinio after the- 5111 of April 3707.. ArVa3•llyoll - 1;:iiil infOtmation E ,-vivert tti the Chan , v.. , .cellor of the', xcler i itc:: on the pal - C. of the Bank,: vpur, lolls made. to th Ce' ommit /. tee of ~.t'r'easury , do not reetilleti that were. • Did you. cotoider ilsc infOrmittion give:l •to, the Cortnifit&ie .of I'reaslary - :as. a .matter . .uf • busine-rs biought bef.)re ,theM oil Which, it .becatne thorn to or only as a'repOrt. of a 'cotiversation that taken place in; the latter conceiv e the. 1•;.111'., C id any right to apply furthev on the tiubjet . to the Chancellor of :the. .Exchei-paer. ue :Can you tntiOn in 'Alia terms uncle the Communication - to Pitt...l-1161d him that I had heard at tile. Bank that inoinitig, that thel'reasUrer of the Navy. now keptltis c:ish. i\l..rs.. Curltts , 'aticl Co.'s instead , of the-Bank, where 1 tuiderstood it should be lodged by .A.a of Parliament ; 'and that I had,alsO heard that Navy`Bill , i':,`were,no• , vP:l4lo) ; drafts upon Messrs. Coutts and Co. ingtead of drafts upon the Bank. • Arc you cerumin that those at the terms 111 winch • you made the conummication am not sure- of the terms,* it-was eight years ago; bufl ant Sure of the purport. .- ; • yOU •any authority- from the Bank to, inert-. tied • the conversatiotl alluded to; to•the Chancellor of the • Exchegtier ?--None, I did it ti a view ito . the . public good. ' ' • • You mentioned,-it :m individual only ?---I can- • not say quite, as. an individual • - tt thetirne; l learnedit at the i it. to !Mr. Pitt, 'bring 't.;, ) , , , •. , -rour of not ivll ,- it had, Idicit..been: , ; !,. • 11 )1. ILI(' any.opportuttity of mitking,, ,•,. ' 1,, ..halt the c)rrlimstance. to l'rtr. ritt, - • • UPC 0 1 .. the had no' -ecru:nis: l , 1 a 1.1, • , • it to Mr. Pitr, ;.• 1 1 , • tbe.busiuQ.,ss V. . . V.")" •• ' ,1() 3:6l.l:AleYlrl Cr.)111-' • Uoi'l f ti'l';t2. :• r‘7•111)0a. , , to Nine I `1111 • .•. . • ' to.; tlit:". • .• , - : ot . theßaul•-• • • 'ty- ' ' • tna2ll6atit.,ll iL, t ,t•.. . • •, , Might not th..! rryrit.l , llea to Mr. Pitt. itwe come i•lually 1-r - )' lw knowle , lge holder of a Navy :!1 y r.• Giles iliforniecl as I'm di(l . NraVy Bill, who received t . s 1 .1 11: , -. Cowls, must certainly knit. , .• tilem; bu I; erhaps . , he might /)..; funds came;- but any person ri, ~ .!:;11 TN!:. ,• • COlnmunicatect the infortnation he dic. equally master ofit as i was. • - When made this coimitlitical.i -in 1• did you 410 t EVICIAVe . yott was as•(.rovet•nOk: of -the Bank, although not. 3 • Jig daily had no voiunlisioll from the Bank; 1) , . - ,t thought it a duty to the Vublie 'Mr', Pitt sboua, kiiuw it: Atillts the I)eput v (lov;•rnor of the Bahl,: prose :t at this c:onvehation with ',Mr. Pitt, or any other Person —I .Make no 'doubt tin) P w eptuy Governor as, though I do not absolutely reeplie(t.tlie circtmisianee, for I Itlxv,ays avoided, going alone, to. the Clkancelior of, the _Exchequer when I %vas 'Governor si the B,atit, by titilure of metn , ,,;„ry, . I ntioitt aov part of the but,hiess liad t0,d0,, • 'Who was GOvQo.)or at that tiille Samuel .. • The rfiather 1:Fl Thoth as lilrtF,crs, ,Esc. ' tak,,n the .;:i!it 18-65: „ r „ 41 4:4.... NVr , 11,4 fy nes. 111 y Oft ;;, I 1 1 , ;I"Ctlli47; StalICC 01 I TCC;A.lll'ef Of 1.110. .1\:: y r, 1.; Ciinil a private Banker's, did lie thro.:, b ,„ . hint that suclx iiey applied. for the all • . any 'such 1 1 , st itself to you; or t you atthe. tittw , or kno‘v , ally thing: of. the in.at: - .er Li but I. liad sonic susi)ition of it, but' nobo , ly v\ er to1(1. nu:7, nOr did any thing 'of kind 11whind iNttl* COIIIC to my knOwledge, • .1)r) you reColled suiting :tuy suspicio4 of.that sort 7oi r . F a t, ov . t h ro\v i ft , out any liint tending that ay ?--As' i itnew 11(1 , 111 1 ,114 of that %bad, I hid no viii 4 : to tilr;lv out su.;i;ielons. When droa. yOn fir t entertain such suspidim , . Wheit.lVlr: Giles first inentioni:d it to ow. Ve...tterJay.oe'hilight an inquestwas .held (.!tocrir,n•,: - ., Coroner, of Ripon, th,t sir hiffint.'ll l 3out three yeims of ag, hr f, ;IL , " by its inhuuTan 1110ilior. ; t 1)tt:-,11 . 11)3 i)1 aCt, Luc did not enl:ci is com.rnitte•_t to York C'astic . , /).:1 'l73i taken 0 , i` (; , 111, of vl , ,'..• , .. • • I fiYOXt/tr;lO),T, ALI 1, •,, t of (I '11.',.. 0,1-).4.12,.7.7.f..'y, I oc.D. d's::l,4iiji:..?" - 11 1,-, 1 JO, V .t .1 • • • V . ; " A p•:1-t : Ai; gI I' S ir •roFi:./., 11 - itt3i. b (; e ''" • > 1 .1% ' 4' •:,' i , ; v, I"k*.a.r.:ln LINUTSItIOn!,MIS tri ,e 15.,.. .y ';liite Chcese; I\liant Illea2:ti.l4 b2fore . f 3. N of O' I(4.P#vorr :-,,,... Nrylait;elc, on ale_bOdy ($ ...!,:ra Fiiller wilo wai's'llirr), 112: haibind'oll N1'.,11. 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