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THE PRINCIPAL OFFICERS and COM IILISSIONERS of HIS M.IJESTrs NAVY do Kereby give Notice, That on Thursday, the 22i1 Instant, at One o'Clock, they will be ready to treat with such Per sons as may be willing to Contract for CLEANSING and REPAIRING FLOCK BEDS and BOLSTERS, and BLANKETS, and for Cleansing iIdAnIOCKS and COTS, the Articles to be taken by 'the Contractor from His Majesty's Yard at Deptford, and to be returned by him into Store at the said Yard, when Cleansed and repaired. / 4 Forma* the Tender, may be seen at this Office. No ,Tender w ill b e received after One o'oo4, on the Day , !1 . ''Treaty, Itior any noticed, unless the Party, or an Agent for Aim, attends. ..E‘er, Tender must be accompanied by a Letter ad . a;essed to the Navy Board, and signed by two responsible er eutur enttaging to become bound with the Person ten u,"on(latriai. . c ii of 1 the Sum £3OO fur the due pertormance of the Contract. EAST INDIA HOUSE, April:in, 1823. TILE COURT of DIRECTORS of the UNITED COMPANY of MERCHANTS of ENG LAND TRADING to the EAST INDIES, du hereby give Notice, • That 4 SPECIAL GENERAL cower tf the said Com pany will he held a t th e i r H ouse in Leadeoholl- 4 treet on " ED NESDAY, the 14th May next, at Eleven o'clock in the forenoon, for the purpose of laying before the Prorirtors, for their approbation, a Resolution of the Court of Directors of the 9115 instant, granting the suns of (60,0001.) sixty thousand pounds per annum to His Majesty's Covernment, with a view of relieving the finances of the Country from the Charge in curred fur retiring pay, pensions, &c., on account of that part of his Majesty's forces which is maintained in the East Indies, from the :loth April, 1824, to he paid out of the Terri torial Revenues of India, I n account of all Retiring Pay, Pen sions, &c., granted or that may he hereafter granted in re spect of his Majesty's forces serving in the East Indies. Copy of the said Resolution now lies opeu at this house fur the perusal of the Proprietors. _ The Court o f Di rectors do also give notice that the said General Court is further made special for-the milting for confirmation the Resolution of the General Court purpose of sub s__.tf, the Iflth March,,approving the Resolution of the Court of , Directors of the lath December last, granting to Major Tames Riven Carnac, , , thirty thousand flotubay of (30 0001 of the'Madras I.':;tithlishment, the sum Rupees, at the rate of 9.5. 3d. p er R upee, upon the grounds therein stated. • The Report required by the By Law, Cap. 6. Sec. 20. to gether with the documents upon which the said Resolution has been formed are open for the inspection of the Proprietors 41 this House. JOSEPH DART, Secretary. CLERGY ORPHAN CORPORATION, St. John's Wood. Marv•le-hone. Pr "'dent , — Patron—THE KING. The Right Honourable and Right Reverend the Lord Bishop of LONDON. • • Vi ce - President —Th e Right Hon. Lord KENYON. OTICE is h ere b y g i ven , th a t the PUBLIC EXAMINATION of the CHILDREN in the Schools •of this CORPORATION will take place before His Grace the Lord Archbishop of CANTERBURY, at the S(.11()IL 1 1 0 1iE, St • near the Regent's Park, on WEDNESDAY NEXT, the 14th Instant, at Twelve &Clock . precisely. Noti ven ce is hereby further gi, that a,Qu'ARTEttLY C - XERAL MEETI*; of this INCORPOIt.‘TED SOCIET lE Y forCLOTHING, AINTAINING. and EDUCATING POOR °ItPEIAN CHILDREN of CLERGYMEN of thn ESTA bLISHED CHURCH of ENGLAND, until of AGE to h e Put APPRENTICE, will he holden at FREEMASONS' TAVERN, Great Queen-street, Lincoln's Inn-fields, on e!VENEsDAy, .the 28th. instant, at Half-pa‘t TWO 0 . C1,10i rtec ieelY, for the purpose of ELECTING CHILDREN into the SCHOOLS, and on oilier Special Affairs. E. .1. BURROW, D.D. Secretary. PROVIDENT LIFE OFFICE, REGENT-STREET, LONDON. PItESI DENT. The Right Honourable Earl GREY. VICE.PRESIDENTS. T.l44e.Marylis of Salishm Viscount dill eley, 1 ::,r1 of Hardwiche K . G .iscount Doncantion, 4 arl of C at " rnarvon, Lord Braybroohe. TRUSTEES. Sir George Duckett, Bart. Praed, Esq. Lord Kin Sid Brsil;rooke, Sir S. B. Itturland, Bart. M.P. William Bell F DIRECTORS. Robert Fleetwood, Esq. F rancis s ' '"l' 8 (must, E. William Judd, Eeq. ,!r . John Doyle, Bart. John Marshall, Esq. ''eurge Duckett; Bart. Edward Nugent, Esq. Wilds t 1144 e Dawson E I James Sedgewick, Esq. I "i* J r i 3 , Esq_. M.P. Hon. W. Shirley anataan Dooms, Es q . John Wilson, Esq. Managing Director, ri vr , J. T. BARBER BEAVMONT, E.q. F.A S. [lig,. PROVIDENT LIFE OFFICE was tq,,eir,tne?riginal Of fi ce which effected insurances upon the t:4oi, I le .at copthining the security of an adequate . permanent Prp rn On addition to the fluctuating Funds arising from the se l i f , i d t( us) with the beneficial rule of returning, stated "`tri latiturt:ipe surplus of the annual Premiums to theL on 41 this i Isr paying losses and expences. The importance appro ut n ,!P r OVeliient is acknowledged by extraordinary p ublic new oiti toil. and by the numerous imitations of it, which 4 , 1111c1 ces ilaVe lately offered, and which older ones have , chief a,1,, 4n "illanging their constitutions. The pr i nciple . is of 4 " tile ;,% Ilj eCitust. as it yields, by the specific sums insured, Posits, urn of the hir:e,rtivits the surplus, the fullest value for t.he.de •lre . do Svosonable motive for venturing on to s uch fr'e reduced and insufficient premiums, which has led B onuses gi'eut i nstances of disappointnient and ruin. . tide d duri0, 1 , 131 • 8 4. and 261. 1 , 21. per cent. have been di Peribi s ,i n g, '"e last fourteen years. p lfi b t f t lir d c - c ) ' l r grnnted to all persons whose lives ..tre ti f ts t it h r e e i d r h r—rs 'in 1 i s "'"t being Mariners in the vxercise i ;lits, fr omu •() pass by sea in whole decked vessels, or steani- in. ii. v„,, 'me part of the United Kingdom to another , and .. 4 :i l e iti h idi,l t i i ti . r . on i mit e hle ; :es a i c s e w , , f n r: T n a t il li y r r it e i fi s i b li t r o ed t . he Foreign Ports be txt r% Pr s - ., - `"e'l and Brest inclusive, without License and insured at this O ffi ce are not charged with o . -Ad • fl4l Premium unless called into actual service. made for p i , Juitsion Pee% are required, nor is any charge Adi,4.c.i.b except the stamp duty. ' l) Pst i 4dger thus extensive and substantial 7 ha . vin been Ilit pt„, Lirenlired dining A period of seventeen . ) ears, u nder ....y 11pre,,;1„--`' Management of this Office,the Public will re adily ''Y iiii;V.t.be. difference between the valise of Policies Issue Aeelitsth‘"" " others. nil appointed in all the principal towns. PLiiii) ExTRAcT OF SARSAPARILLA. Ntf • T , I Nied".3. rre paration are concentrated an the ' 1"1141 P roperties of the Sarsaparilla Rt!ot,.e!ell r t e o . Par, d. el, ,Saturatian of the Nlenstrituto with which it ts P ses % 1 : 6 11,1 10 Nell Persons, t here fin e, whn, from varimlteawiloo.lti. k'iollttrei.litllinit'oee.great inconrenience, or Dec wh "" 1' ..•rtict 9 n ssibic to prepare the cacti . on, L t .i h .t ep a ll i l ) l ti l Ite e , ihwilseh Possesses tlie advantages of P rtamil )•'' able "i‘ti l i - A, i n any clitante, will be found A ntost desirable l'lt a i .. Ploying this much.esteetned Medicine. _ . 4 . I lie ti- "seases in' whi I' it has' proved most hene.hci I ' ti 's i ) ? s e of the Skin, ;m i tt as Sctirbutic Affections, Er t ;t i c:- ,d!ti:d sttn"sArs, Secondary Svmptottis; &c. a rising, w ir"ni *len ,:,,,rc it*it7,o.f.the System a t . large:. It is ta ken . 20 _ ater, i , l Si trp ar ; the game mite II AS the Dee o C l 'n.. • .311. e 'and Sold by Butlers Chemists, W i , '*iiitty, kf ' .1 R o oms), London.. h ert„ 4 , i, yent-street (near the - Ars, e id in • al ht . 4,-theapside, St.. / th e p e lt ! t 4Ce , • Ellinbilrkb • ' Savicrille•Atreet,•Dti • . ‘ .._ iht n ...._ ll i,d ei t * l' prtt .isti at'ill'Mailleine-Ven'ders throngnout lesv i l it - anni rk in 11 tt Is-at 41 6d. titwil' 7l - 6 ' l ,'„ .. Ask fur "I . l titier's 'i Flu e iti Extra . tc.t . of Sarsapar illa. " PARLIAMENT, II OUS F. OF LORDS, MAY 7 Sir J. NEWPORT, accompanied by other Members of the House of Commons, brought up the Irish County Treasurers and Apprentices Bills, which were read the first time. On the mution of the Marquis of LANSDOWN, the Irish Charitable Loan Society's Bill was read the second time. The Marquis of LA NSDOWN presented a petition from the inhabitants of Salisbury, praying for some alteration of the law, with a view to the gradual abolition of slavery.—Ordered to lie on the table.—Adjourned till Friday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. MISCELLANEOUS. . _ _ General GASCOYNE postponeCllW notice of a motion upon the subject of the Half-pay of Officers resident in Ire land, to the 23d instant. Mr. RICA RD() presented several petitions from Arbroath, praying a repeal of the Laws for regulating . the stamping of Linens. Ordered to be printed. Mr. CUR WEN presented a petition from certain persons, the description of whom we could not hear, praying for an in. crease of the Duty on Tallow. Mr. RICARDO expressed his opinion that a compliance with the prayer of the petition would be injurious to the pe- titioners, and to the country at large. Mr. BENNET contended that it would be a great relief to the poorer classes. • Sfr T. LETHBRIDGE hoped that the Right Hon. Chan. cellor of the Exchequer would impose an increase of duty upon the importation of Foreign Tallow. He trusted that an opportunity would soon occur when the subject should come before them in a more tangible shape. He must say that his Hon. Friend, the Member for Portarlington, was also ex tremely jealous of any consideration or favour being shewn to the Agricultural Interest. • Mr. RICARDO said that he neither wished to favour one interest or the another. He never considered the interest of landed gentlemen, monied gentlemen, or Commercial Gentle. men. His duty in that House was to take care of the interests of the public ; and if any measure were . proposed for the relief of a particular interest, which was injurious to that of the pub lic, he should strenuously oppose it. Mr. BENETT contended that the Funded Interest had ad. vantges which Agriculture did not possess. Lord MILTON complained that when these petitions were presented Ministers remained silent as to the course they in. tended to pursue. Mr. BENETT explained. After a few words from Mr. CURWEN, the petition was or dered to be printed. Several petitions were presented by Sir R. FERGUS/lON and Mr. S. WORTLEY, praying for a repeal of the old laws rela tive to the Stamping of Livery.—Laid•on the table. ABOLITION OF SLAVERY. Mr. LITTLETON presented petitions from Stockdale, and two other placrs, praying the Abolitiori , of Slavery. Mr. W. LEWIS presented similar Petitions from the Towns of Cardiff and Neath. Mr. S. IWORTLEY presented a similar petition from Brad.. ford, praying for the . Abolition of -Slavery.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. HURST . presented a similar petition from Horsham.— Ordered to be printed. Mr. DENISON presented a similar petition from Wake field.—Ordered to be printed. Lord A. HAMILTON postponed his notice of 'tuition on the subject of Scotch Representation to Tuesday next. Mr. ti. LAMB presented a petition from the Gentry and Farmers of Hertfordshire, praying for an open trade in Beer.— Ordered to be printed. Mr. CH ILDE presented two petitions from places we could not hear, praying the Abolition of Slavery.—Ordered to be printed. Similarpetitions were presented from Chipping Norton and another place.—Ordered to be printed. Sir E. KNATCH BULL presented two petitions from dif ferent places in the County of Kent, against the Duty on Coals. —Ordered to be printed. General DOVETON presented a petition from Lancaster, praying for the abolition - of Nlavery..Ordered to be printed. Mr. MUNDY presented petftions from Cheater, NVirkir worth, Chesterfield, and Matlock, to the soneeffect.—Ordered to be printed. Petitions were presented from Wirksworth and Belper, pray.. ing for an equalization of the Duties on'Sugar.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. GOOCII presented several petitions from afferent places, in favour of an abolition Slavery.—Ordered to be printed. Sir H. VIVIAN presented a petition from Truro to the same effect.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. KENNEDY presented a petition from the Magistrates of Irvine, against the Scotch Commissaries Bal.—Laid on the table. Mr. HORN BY presented a petition from Preston, praying the abolition of Slavery.—Ordered to he printed. Lord MILTON presented similar petitions from Hudders field and Sheffield.—Ordered to he printed. Mr. M. PITT presented a petition to the same effect from the town of Sherborne.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. WELLS presented a petition from the inhabitants of 'Maidstone, praying for a reduction of the duty on coals. After a few words from Mr. RICARDO, Mr. CALCRAFT, Mr. BROUGHAM. and Mr. Mowcx, the peti9on was ordered to be printed. Mr. LINDSEY presented petitions from Dundee and two other places, against the Linen Laws.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. LAM BTON presented petitions from the Inhabitants of Sunderland, Stockdale Gateshead, Darlington, and South Sields, praying for the abolition of Slavery.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. DENT presented a similar petition from Saffron Wal den.—Ordered to be printed. A Petition to the same effect was presented from Andover. Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS presented a similar petition from Dumfries..—Ordered to be printed. Captain WEMYSS presented several petitions from the County of Fife against the Linen Laws.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. F. BUXTON postponed his motion for the abolition of Slavery to Thursday, the 15th of May. Lord NUGENT postponed his motion relating to English Catholics to the 28th msumt. Mr. LUMLEY presented a petition from Birmingham, praying for the abolition of Slavery.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. W. SMITH presented a similar petition from Eversham. Ordered to be printed. Mr. J. MARTIN presented a similar petition from Tewkes bury.—Ordered to be printed. Sir M. W. RIDLEY presented I petition to the same effect from Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Also a petition from the sarila place in favour of tthe importation of, Scotch Whiskey.—Or. tiered to be printed. GAME LAWS. • Mr. BROUGHAM rose to prevent a petition which he described as coming from a well known writer, as the House would Perceive when they saw that it was signed, " William Cobbett, Kensington." The Petition related to the Report of the Committee upon the Game Laws, which recommended a plan for legalising the sale of Game. It stated that the juris prudence and the morals of the country had been greatly in jured by the laws now in existence. That of 15 prisoners con fined in the gaol of Berkshire 22 were there for poaching; and that at the last Assizes, the only two men executed had been convicted of that offence. The petitioner prayed that the re commendation of the Committee might not be adopted, as. it would only tend to aggravate the evils of the existing law. Lord PALMERSTON said, that of the two men.execu , ed , one had been condemned for murder, and the other for shoot ing at an unamed gamekeeper,:and . locig, log the contents of the gun in his , at a distance often yards. Mr. BRO UGHAM did not doubt : .the Noble Lord's statement in the least; but those circumstances did not an.. sorer the petition, as to the abominable nature of the laws in question. After a few words frotn Mr. BRNETT and Sir Fua ire is BA RING, the petition was ordered to be printed. Sir E. HARVEY presented apetition from Dunloe, praying the abolition of Shivery.—Ordered.to be printed, • A etition was presented from the Under . Sheriff of West meath, against the Grand %hay on the table. BERCROMBY postpinatd his nibtion relative to the cage of Borthwick, to the 3d.or June. . • . 'INSURRECTION ACT. GOULBURN gave nod& that on 'Monde* next he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to rsnew the Insurrec tion Act. CONDUCT OF THE SHERIFF OF DUBLIN. The House resolved itself intoa --- ConWitt;eof the whole House, to inquire into the conduct of the Sheriff of Dublin— Sir Robert Heron in the Chair. The CHAIRMAN asked if Mr. Richic and 31r. Sheriff Cooper were in attendance Mr. Sheriff Cooper appeared at the Bar, and stated in answer to the examination of Mr. J. Williams,. that he had no ob jection to Mr. Poole's being on the pannel, until that gentle man called upon him. He could not recollect whether the suggestion of the objection came fi rst from Mr. Sheriff Thorpe. Niritness had a delicacy in asking or giving opinions on politl cal questions with Mr. Sheriff Thorpe, as they were of separate opinions. It probably might or might not be on political grounds that Sheriff Thorpe objected. He saw Mr. O'Reilly at the close of his examination of the former night. Never stated to him that he had been wrong in what he had stated re. lative to Mr. Poole. Never looke d after Mr. O'Reilly after his last examination. Witness met him by accident in the lobby. The under sheriff receives the fees of office, and gives a certain dividend to the sheriffs. The settlement takes place quarterly. In answer to Mr. Pr. tr sr a llTT.—Wltstess '.- could not take upon himself to say whether the objection to Mi. Poole was suggest ed by Mr. Thorpe or himself. He would not go to the length of positively saying that Mr. Sheriff Thorpe did not make the objection. Witness did believe, frein what he has since learned, that Mr. Poole had made an application to Mr. Sheriff Thorpe to be placed on the pannel, and that the latter promised him. He believed, when Poole applied to him (Sheriff Cooper) to put his name on the Grand Jury, that sheriff Thorpe (in whose hands the return of the pannel was) had changed his mind. He believed Poole had an early promise, though he did not know whether a positive one. He believed the opinion of sheriff Thorpe was changed before Pool made the application to the witness, from what he had since heard. He might hare come to him in consequence of that, but he had not made any such communication, or stated any thing of the promise. He could not tell why the application was made to him, if sheriff Thorpe had declared his intention of adhering to the original pannel. In answer to a question put to him by Mr. Balotyr, the witness stated that he could not tell what was passing in Pool's mind when he called upon him. In answer to questions from Mr. LEICESTER, he stated that lie did not know how many conciliation men were on the pannel ; he believed there, were several moderate ; he should think there were at least five conciliation men, but could not tell whether their names were among those of the first 27. The pannel was struck by the high sheriff, along with the sub sheriff. He believed that was the ordinary course. He knew Mr. Whistler, the sub-sheriff; he never heard him boast of having struck the pannel. In answer to questions from Sir J. NEwPoRT, the witness stated that he did not know whether the High Sheriff had ever pledged himself to act in conformity to the opinions of those who had chosen him Sheriff. He was not 'aware that he had said at his dinner, that he would abide by the wishes of those who hail made him Sheriff, but he believed it was so stated in some newspapers. As far as he recollected what Sheriff Thorpe said on that occasion, he returned thanks to those who had re turned him, as was usually done, and as to his having stated that he would conduct himself according to their wishes, the substance of what he said might go to that effect. Ile knew Mr. O'Reilly, and was on terms of intimacy with him ; lie was nut acquainted with a Mr. Bradshaw. The witness was then ordered to withdraw, and another called in. The witness stat. ed that his name was Harris; that lie was a serjeant of the 74th regiment ; he was now serjeant.major ; he had first enter ed as a private, lie was afterwards made a corporal, and was next made serjeant-major, as at present; he was before the Grand Jury as a witness in the case of the riot at the Dublin Theatre ; he did not recollect whether he was examined sepa rawly by the Members of the Grand Jury, or by four or five at a time ; he very well remembered that the examination was not conducted very courteously ; very significant remarks were made by Members of the Juty upon his evidence, and doubts were expressed of his being capable of identifying the persons whom he actually saw in acts of riot ; he had identified the per son who threw the rattle, and he stated that 'William Graham was the man; the witness observed Members of the Jury corn. ing up to the Foreman to contradict what he stated; when he retired from the Grand - Jury room he tirades. complaint to some persons outside, of the manner in which he had berm treated, and he saw several outside the doors who said they had been used very bad; he did not know their names ; lie objected to t h e mode of the exainination. The witness also mated, in answer to questions from Lord HOTHAM, that he was in the habit of being on duty either at the Castle or at the Phenix Park ; he went to the Theatre on his own suggestion ; he held no particular conversation with any of the household of the Lord Lieutenant; he was never spoken to, either directly or indirectly, on the subject by I%lr. Johnion ; he had leave of absence on account of ill health ; he had been made a serjeant-inajor, but it was for prior good conducthe was f requent l y i n atten d ance on t h e lord t iea i i n r) discharge of his d ut y. The witn ess w as 4i (Hear, eutenin then ordered to withdraw, and a person named O'llyan was called in. The witness stated in answer to questions by Mr. \Via. LIAM, that he had been before the Grand Jury subseenently to the riot in the theatre. He was before the Grand Jury on the first of January, when the riot was inquired into; he was examined on that occasion ; _ at fi rst he was examined by the Foreman, but afterwards by tw o or t h ree o f t h e J ury at a t i m e, w h o s t ar ted up with a yiew of shaking the testimony of the wit ness. lie felt it necessary eu make some observations on the manner in which he was examined, and he stated to the Fore. man that he was on a solemn oath as well as he was, and be felt himself as perfectly sworn to the truth as the Members of the Grand Jury ware. lie stated to the (;rand Jury, as a pert of the particulars of his evidence, that the man who threw the rattle had no spectacles, and was a sallow looking young man ; he hail no doubt as to his appearance. lie was at first civilly treated by the Grand Jury, but afterwards not ; on going out he made a complaint to the witnesses outside of the manner in which lie had been treated, and lie heard all the witnesses make a similar complaint. He felt that the mode of examination preventOd his fully and fairly giving his testimony. In answer to questions by Colonel BARRY, the witness said he was certain as to the identity of the person who threw the rattle; he never heard that a person named Ormsby was ac. cured of that act. In answer to questions by Sir J. STEWART, he said he did not know the juror, who stated that he deposed certain things which were in his notes of the examination, but which th e wit ness denied that he had stated. This evidence was before the grand jury who found the bill in this case, but the, petty jury pronounced a verdict of not guilty. In answer to questions front Mr. BnowisLow, the witness deposed that he saw Graham in the theatre. He (the witness) was in the middle gallery on the fourth or fifth seat, and Gra ham was in the front seat of the upper gallery. Mr. 6OULBLIRN here rose to order; he said he could not see the relevancy of the questions just put, for h e did not k now what the situation of the witness or Graham a t t h e t h eatre h a d to do.with the conduct of the grand jury, or w i t h t h at of the High Sheriff: Mr. I.IIIOWNLOW said he was anxious t o s h ow t h at t h e witness was in such a situation in the the atre as ren d ered it quite impossible to see Graham, who w as i n t h e fourth row of the upper gallery, while the witness was in the fifth row of the lower gallery, and aliltimb-line having been let fall from the position which the former occupied, fell upon the seat of the latter. Sir J. NEWPORT observed, that whether the evidence of the witness eventually turned out to be true or false wait of no moment to the inquiry, as it was manifest hi a testt l mony had been equally impeded by the grand jury, After a few word s from Mr. Blovouaa t and Mr. GOUT.. DV RN, the witness proceeded. He again depo se d t h a t h e had seen George Graham in th e front seat of th e u p per ga ll er y, when h e t h rew the rattle. He never heard th a t a n y witness deposed that he w as i n t h e fourth or fifth seat. He saw him throw the rattle which struck the Lord Lieusenant's box. ()n being asked wgether it was a vrea. pon by which a man's life was likely to , be endangered ? be observed, th at i t seeme d to we i g h a b out a pound and a half or two pounds, and was flung with great force. lie did not weigh it, but it seemed to him to be a dangerous piece of timber, when he saw it after it bad fallen on the stage. Mr. O'Reilly was again called in, anti in answer to questions from Mr. S. /Ilex stated, that he had had a conversation witli. Mr. Sheriff Coop er hi st night, when he contradicted that part of the statement made by Mr. O'Reilly of the former conver, f . Ration between tbem, in which- Mr. Shotiff Cooper old tlptt Sheriff' Thorpe had refused td put Mr. Poole on the Grand Jury. 'l he next witness called was llichaid Mor a n. In ansieer-te interrogatories from Mr. NOLAN, he stated, that he had been before the Grand Jury in January last, but that as soon as he had stated that he had seen persons rioting in the Theatre, he was told that that would do, and was ordered to withdraw. To questions pu t to himby Colonel BattitY, he replied, that many witnesses had been previously examined, and that it was probable the Grand Jury had heard the story before. • Here the case against the Sheriff was closed; with the under standing that additional witnesses might be called, if neces sary, at a subsequent part of the inquiry. Colonel BARRY, before he examined any witnesses on be half of the sheriff, requested the indulgence of the House, as the examination on the other side almost was wholly conducted by professional persons, against whom he was not qualified to contend.—(Hear !) The first witness examined was Nicholas Murray Mansfield. In answer to questions by Cul. BARRY, he stated, that he was . the Chief and only Clerk in the sheriff's-office at Dublin ; that he remembered the making:out of the Grand Jury Panne' in January last; that it was made out in the first instance by Mr. sheriff Thorpe, anti afterwards submitted far the approba tion of the other sheriff; that the names upon it were men of perfect respectability, and calculated to do Justice between the Crown and the parties accused. In reply to other interrogatories from various Members, the witness stated that both the Sheriffs had expressed their opinion that men of warm politics ought not to he on the jury ; that the majority of the jury were moderate men; that Sir W. Smith, but for illnesss would have been the foreman of the grand jury ; that in 1822, Sir W. Smith was one of the sheriffs; that Sir W. Smith was what was called in Dublin a conciliation man ; that it was the usual course for the seb-sheriff to strike the pannel, except in any particular case ; that Sir W. Smith struck one of the panne)* of last year ; that during the nine bears of his (the witness's) having been in o ffi ce , t h ere b a d not een a year in which a pannel had not been struck by a sheriff; and that a new election of the Corporation of Dublin took place in November lust, when great exertions were made to intro duce Members favourable to the dressing of the statue. I be- I lieve that a list of 31 were selected from Common Councilmen, as good men in bad times. [A list was here handed to wit- nest). He thought that many of this list were recommended as favourable to the dressing the statue. Witness was desired to look at the figure at the head of the list ? He said it represented the figure of King William standing upon the emblem of the Lord Mayor, who was known to be on. favourable to the dressing of the statue. With reference to the terms "good men in bad times," witness believed that the words " bad times" referred to the present, and not to any former times. The name of Sutter was in the list ; he believed that all in th e list would be equally good men, f they could be got at ; lie knew that seven of that pannel were returned on that jury. Did not think a sworn Orangeman a fit person to be on that jury. He knew a person named Lamprey, who was on that jury. Ile had no reason to believe him an Orangeman ; he did not think him (Lamprey) an improper person to be upon the grand jury, because he did not know him to be an Orangeman ; he knew is person named Cusack, and believed him to belong to the Orange Lodge, No. 1640. He did not believe that he (Cusack) would have been sworn upon the jury, had he been known to be an Orangeman. Witness said the same with respect to Samuel Lamprey, whom he also believed to be an Orangeman • he did not believe that going round t o t h e cor p orat i on would be the hest way of getting Orangemen, for he did not believe that many Orangemen belonged to the corporation. In his opinion, the Sheriff had a pure intention in formir g the grand jury, as he believed that that jury was impanelled for the purpose uf administering impartial justice. Were you applied to by any person on a former occasion to return particular names upon the grand jury for a particular purpose ?—Yes. Were the names specified ?—A list of names was given tome. When this application was made, what was your answer ?-- 1 said. " whatever can be done for your friend shall be done." Was it the uniform .practice to return persons who were ex pected to adniinistertiststice fairly ?—Yes. Was nut the application made for the trial of Mr. O'Meara, who was accused of a conspiracy ?—lt was. Did you not feel indignant at is proposal of this kind ?—No, such applications h a v e frequently been made. Do you know. any of the Hawes of the list given to you 2-1 . do not, I did not read any of them., , But you said what can be done for your friend shall be done, without looking at any of the names ?—Witnetoi then went on to state, that he had torn the list, that it was lost, and now could not be procured. Ile could not tell the difference between the pannel sworn, and the list given him. A Mr. George Butler made the application to him. The bill wars ignored by the Grand Jury. Did not know whether an applicatien had been made to the Court of King's Bench for an information against O'Meara in consequence of the conduct of the Grand Jury in Ignoring the bills; he hail heard it stated here, and supposed it would not have been stated unless it was true. Could not form a belief whether the misconduct of the Grand Jury was the ground of the applica tion. Did not conceive the application of Mr. Butler was to violate his sworn duty. This was not sworn, though it was a sacred duty. A second application was made, and the a n swer was that it could not be effected as Sheriff Thorpe had taken the pannel into his own hands. Did not think this answer cal ciliated to cause a renewal of this application. The reason he tore the list given to him was, he thought it the best way to treat such a document. Did not consider it would be better to have kept the list to prevent such persons from bei ng on t h e grand jury. NVould have considered it an insult if such an ap plication was made by a person who did not know !rim— ( Hear, hear !) Did not consider the ends of justice would have been answered by prosecuting the person who made such an application to him. These applications were frequently made. Did not believe that any consideration was offered to any person in the office in order to procure such return. Ily Sir J. NEWPOILT—The practice has been to make KlTE cation to me to put particular individuals in the pannel. These applications have been made to me by friends. Of course no stranger would presume to make such a request.—AA laugh.) By is MEatnr a—They selected men as like Mr. Sutter as possible; he (Mr. S.) was not in the pannel. By a MIE 3111 ER—I have seen various pannels,but the smallest number I ever recollect on a pannel, was that on the list struck by Mr. Sheriff Thorpe, consisting of 63. Ile chewed me the pannel, but I did then remark on the comparative smallness of the number upon it. I have never remembered 25 persons in succession answering to their names. I should not consider that, generally speaking, 50 was a eufficient number to be upon the panne' ; but upon a question of this kind, a here there was tin universal feeling in Dublin, the gentlemen summoned were likely to attend. Ry Sir J. NEWPORT—Witnesi did not read this list, and therefore knew not the names upon it ; neither could he say whether any one of thern.was afterwards on the panne!. As he now understood the meaning of Conciliation-men, Mr. Ex- Sheriff Archer is, unquestionably, a Conciliation-man. By Mr. S. Rice—Witness was acquainted with a Mr. W. Carpenter • but did not know his situation in life ; re cen tly h e, understood he (Carpenter) had had some large contracts, with Government. He believed he (Mr. C.) h a d serve d on many former grand juries. By Mr. C. CAI.VERT.-1 don't know whether Mr. Sheriff Thorpe is an Orangeman. 1 should not know an Orangeman if I were to see hint (A Wish), I cannot say whether or no, in the year 1821, when the king wasexpected-to visit Dublin, 1 made out the pannel. Great solicitation. was made to be on that Grand Jury, because they were expected to go up so the King. By Mr. NoLAN—The second application was made to me by 'Mr. Butler, the same person who made the first. At the first application some ono, I don't know who, was by ; but nobody was by at the second application. It is perfectly pos. bible that I may have said to AIL Butler, that the reason I could not comply with his request was, that Mr. Sheriff Tli..rpe had taken upon himself to make out the list, I have known Roman Catholics put upon the panne!, but there was not one upon the grand jury of 1823. Colonel. BARRY said he was about to call stone of the grand jury, but he, hoped, no question, would, be put, the an. swer to which might be inconsistent with the oath of a grand -51 r. IVETEIEItELL contended, that the !louse, in the exercise of its inquisitorial wirer, had the right to put quo. time to the grand jury as to what i had occurred in the jury room. , Mr. R. 5,% 11,TH said. the cue was ,ruled that grand jurors were colliPelled to giro evitimce—there was an estwption to thakt drift in tha oath. ___ Mr. NV WriIEREI.7., said the 'meaning of the oativ was,. that the grand jury should not voluntarily disclose the secrets of their roitn, but they were bound, and it ;was g r i r slitty% ' ordered In a court ofjli s ti ee ,' lor in that 'louse, fithseloselho,e Mr. WI agreed with the fintiourabie Menttbre. h* should wish to see the question discussed in o full }louoe, 1 f S cause he knew that persons of high authority entertained a dif , Brent opinion. _ _ After a few words from Mr. BANLES, Mr. WETIIERELL, and Mr. flu [tar, • Mr. GOCLBURN said that it was a question of conscienett with the juryman, whether be should disclose tie secrets. For his own part, if he were a witness placed at their bar, and if he entertained a doubt on the subj e ct, h e w o uld, at thei ha zard of their severe displeasure, refuse to give evidence. Mr. ABERCROMBY thought that the juty were for the benefit of the public bound to make the-disclosure—the oath ot a i . a grand juror did not throw a ny inpedupent in the way. Mr. GREY RENNET thought it would he unjust to the grand jury to prevent them at the bar of that House from ex-, plaining their conduct. After a few words from Mr. RICARDO and Mr. S'iltEgi Colonel BARRY said that the foreman, Sir George Whit= ford, was ready to be examined. He had no great scruples.—; (A laugh.)—He was anxious, however, to know the nit ion of the House on the point. After some desultory conversation, it was agreed that the, members of the grand jury should not be called for the present, .John Jackson was then called, but be was not forthcoming. Sir George Whitford was then called in and examined. He was foreman of the grand jury that threw out the bills. Wit_ ness is not an Orangeman; lie did not conceive that he la, boured under the strong party feelings which agitated Dublin. He thought it would he for the benefit of Ireland that concilia tion should prevail between all her inhabitants. The.granif jury got the bills at two o'clock, they remained considering of them till five, and from ten to four o'clock the next day._ Witness was named foreman by Sheriff Thorpe, three week* before the riot at the Theatre. Witnos never saw a set of men more anxious to discharge their duty than were the grand jury in the case in question. Witness saytno party feeling amongst the grand jury . , if it had he would undoubtedly endeavour to suppress it. NI itness heard of a reported conver sation as to some expressions said to have fallai from Mr. She riff' Thorpe, touching the formation. of the Jury. Witness asked Sheriff Thorpe whether he had made use of the words imputed to hint, because if he had he (Witn ess ) wou ld not serve on the jury; he pledged his honour that he' never made use of the expression. One of the body of grand jury acted as se cretary. In answer to Mr. trinaTTart —Witness was at Sheriff Smith's dinner; he did not hear the " Glorious and Immortal memory's given at that dinner. To Mr. RIcE—A great diversity of opinion prevailed in Dub lin with respect to preventing the dressing of the Statue. Wit. ness's feeling was, that cause of irritation ought to be avoided; irritation was caused by preventing the Statue front being dressed. Witness was one of those who blamed the authort, tics for prevented the Statue froM being dressed ; he did nut think the preventing it a judicious measure ; he expressed his feelings to that effect. It was a matter of general notoriety thst the riot at the theatre grew out of the irritation caused by Go vernment preventing the dressing of the Statue; witness thought the thing was likely. Then you had feelings similar to those who excited the riots at the theatre ? 1 did not say that, • - • • • Col. BARRY observed that questions such as that which had been put were assumptions of facts not proVed, of infercn ces instead of questions as to fact. [The NOM Course of examination was pursued for some time, to draw from the witness an admission that be participated in the feelings of the rioters, but it was abandoned without lead, ing to any result.] Mr. JONES—Are you a Member of the Amicable Society in Dublin P—Yes. What are the principles of that Society ?-Loyalty to the King and Constitution. Vie there many Members of Orange Lodges also Members of that Society 9-1 do not know that there are. Are there any Catholics Members 9-1 do not know any. 1)o you drink the Glorious and Immortal Memory ?—Ves. What are the rules ?—I really do not know ; 1 have been a very short time a Member. The witness, in answer to various other questions,' stated that he was not acquainted with the Hardwickes. He had been at Sheriff Thorpe's dinner and drank " the glorious and immortal memory ;" that toast had been drank as long as he could recollect at - all c o r p orat i on di nners ; he did not know that it was calculated to promote conciliation. ' Mr. Sheriff ' Thorpe made a speech at this dinner; witness did not hear any part of it. On this point the witness underwent a long eross-elamina tion by Mr. Ilaotrunam.—The room he said was very large, and the noise great ; and h e was not near the Sheriff, and - he could' not hear any thing said either by the Sheriff or by the Lord Mayor, but he read them the next morning in the pa_ pers. lie really could not tell whether the Sheriff stood; allot he spoke, on the floor; or the chair ur the table, but he sup posed on the floor, because sheriffs generally stood un the flour. In answer to questions by Mr. PLUNKETT, witness said that he thought the interference of the Government to pre vent the dressing of the statue, not judicious, and that it wits very proper for any one who thought so had a right to exprese his opinion to that effect, and that it was not fair- to punish any one merely for expressing approbation or disapprobation, by clapping or hissing at a •theatre. In answer to questions by Mr. INOUGHAIN, as to the mode of forming the grand jury, he stated that it was usual for one of the shetiffs (taking for this purpose quarter• and quarter about) to select the grand jury from the great pannehand to sub mit the list to the other sheriff for his approbation, and then to send it back to the sub-sheriff to be engrossed.' This he- saiii was the usual practice, but being questioned as to'his means of knowing the usual practice, h e s t a t e d th at h e had ofhis own knowledge known nothing of the sheriff's office but durtng the time that he served as sheriff. ' that in that time about 14 g r a n d juries were summoned. I n half of that number of times he had chosen the jury in the manner stated, with the exception of once or twice when the sub-sheriff brought him the list Whichhe had approved of. How his colleague proceeded in the other seven cases he did not know. In answer to questions by other Members, he said he bad never served on a more respectable jury than that of January last. He was one of those who wished to see the dressing of the statue. discontinued. Ile had heard that formerly the Lord Mayor, and even the Lord Lieutenant, used to ride.round ;he . statue of King William, and the garrison of Dublin. toPtiride about it on the 4th November. So the honours paid .to: the monarch had declined. lie did not blew how long this prite., -ace had been discontinued. Ile had never attempted to pre vent the dressing of the statue. Mr. Thomas T'svyeross was next called, a n d exam i ne d i n chief by Col. BARRY. Ile stated that he was a jeweller and goldsmith in Itablin, and had represented. the goldsmiths' guild in 'the Common Council. lie was a native of England. Ila was a member of the grand jury in January last, He was not an Orang e m an . lie should be very happy to see Catholic Emancipation carried, it' it could he done with propriety—(a laugh); he meant, by " propriety;" if it could be accompanied with securities against inroads on our constitution in Church and State, In his opinion it was the wish of the grand jury to do justice by a patient in vestigation.—The witness then withdrew.. The next witness called was Joseph Henry Moor, who shank that he was a stock-broker,: and agent t 6 an Insurance OtEue. He was one of the grand jury, .acrd took noteliOn that tiecaidon, as well as others of the grand jury, , and neither waiknor evtr had been connected with any Orange Institution. He did nut see that any person was trow-beat, or forced out the room, while giving hi* evidence. In all there were 2'y wain:Lies ex ainined before the grand jiiry. .• Mr. Jousts asked the witness wh e th er th e grand jury did nut prevent one individual from giving his evident* because be did not know the name of a person engaged in the riot, though he had learned it afterwards ? The witness answered,. that that waa a secret which he was bound by his oath as a juryman- not to disclose.. A discussion then arose as to whether the tiOltile had apower to absolve Jurymen from .such an obligation fur the fortheranee of justice. - Mr. SPRIN(I RICE objected to the impropriety of pro ceetli,ng with the examination of witneaset who 4,0u1d not be cresol-examined to thelacist extent. • ' Mr. 00U1,1113.1.5i` thought it was a qvlemtitke which ought to be reservwi for decision, sing suggestol that the cvidenct , which it involved should be strueit out. n. : was on ous li w i h tO ich U t Ot b eti e n ret ru u rr i e e ti a, i b a ut tlilolt ob jectea trtg. ,i i t ha tb rf e thoidt cpr e r king out r or the evidence. coneludecl with moving that the , Chairstota.ahould ratant progreses and ask for leave to tit spin. Aft et .sorne ther obvert tiong.: from Mr. A barat3ethy, Sir .f. Newport, Mr. Ntrethendl, Mr: V. '..Eitsgetithisia abit.-Coorts. nay, thellouse having resumed, ,the. 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