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I Soh-Committee No. 6. This Committee stands adjourned till twelve o'clock to morrow. Sub-Committee No. 7. DIRECT LONDON AND MANCHES TER RAILWAY, AND REMINGTON'S INDE PENDENT LONDON AND 11ANCHESIER RAILWAY. A meeting of the subscribers and scripholders in this amalgamated Company was held at three o'clock yesterday, at the London Tavern, Bishopsgate-street, to consider the propriety of recommending the directors to wind up the affairs, and return the deposits, or to adopt such other mea sures as might be for the interest of the shareholders. There was a very large attendance of shareholders, there being pre sent the representatives of upwards .f . 40,000 shares. Mr. Pocock took the chair, and after having briefly opened the proceedings, Mr. ANDERTON, amidst great confusion, said, that as no amalgamation had yet been entered into between the two above -named companies, the meeting could not properly come to any resolution couched in the spirit of the advertise ment by which it had been called. He concluded by mov ing a resolution to the effect that, inasmuch as there had been no amalgamation between the Remington and Ras trick lines, it was desirable that each Company should have a meeting of its own ; that the meeting was, at the same tine, obliged to Mr. Pocock for having, by his advertisement, called their attention to the condition of the two projects, but that he ought not to have called it in the manner in which he had, as the Companies were entirely distinct and separate.—(Cheers.) Mr. Davis having seconded the resolution, A SHAREHOLDER wished to know what funds still remained on hand ?—( Hear, hear.) The shareholders were, in point of fact, entitled to force them to give a full and faithful ac count of the position of the company's affairs without any further delay.—(Cheers.) The CHAIRMAN then moved that a resolution should be forwarded to the directors of the tv, o companies, calling upon them to wind up the affairs of the two undertakings, and pay over the surplus of funds on hand immediately to the shareholders. The resolution was seconded b Mr. OBBA y RD , who Was decidedly of opinion that it would be for his benefit if the Companies were dissolved.—( Hear, hear.) Probably there were some gentlemen present whose interests would mot be served by such a course.—(Hear, and laughter.) Mr. ANDERTON trusted that his resolution would be put in the first instance. He was about to make some further observations in support of it, but from the great uproar which prevailed, he decl:ned further addressing the meeting. The CHAIRMAN then put Mr. Anderton's resolution, when 20 hands were held up for it, and a complete forest of hands against it. He then put the resolution which lie had himself moved, for which almost every hand was held up. Great cheering, of course, followed. Mr. SAMUEL POCOCK then moved that two copies of a protest, embodying the resolution of the meeting. be fur warded to the directors of the two Companies. After this meeting the shareholders would, of course, protest against any further sums of money being expended in the prosecution of the undertaking.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. Jonas having seconded the resolution, it was put and unanimously carried. It was then unanimously resolved that a committee, con sisting of ten shareholders (two-thirds of Rastrick's, and the remainder of Remington's Company) be formed, and the chair man be appointed to carry the foregoing resolutions into effect. Another resolution, to the effect that the committee should have the power of investigating the accounts of the directors, was then moved by Mr. Samuel Pocock, The resolution having been seconded, A SHAREHOLDER said, that it was impossible for the meeting to confer any such power on the committee. The CHAIRMAN, however, put the resolution, which was declared to be carried. To defray the expenses of the commitee and the present meeting, it was resolved that a subscription of one shilling be paid for every ten shares. The CHAIRMAN, in reply to a shareholder, said that he believed that 80,000 shares of Si. ss. each had been paid into Rastrick's, and 70,000 or 80,000 of 2/. 15s. into Remington's Company. Thanks were then voted, on the motion of Mr. Obbard, to the Chairman, who having responded thereto, the meeting, which was rather a stormy one throughout, separated at half-past four o'clock. L. 0 til d (YESTERDAY.) Sub-Committee No. 4. This Sub-Committee re - assemble d t o- day, at twelve o'clock. The Members present were—Sir W. Heathcote, Chairman, Mr. Ackland, Mr. Hope Johnstone. The case of the WEST Or ENGLAND MITNCTION was then proceeded with. This case was adjourned from the last assembling of the C,mmittee. The formal proofs were not entered into, as the par y on whi an devolved the duty of depositing the plans with the different parish clerks wss absent. The allegation of the Rev. Mr. Barry was then proceeded with. It appeared there was no vertical scale on the plans deposited with the clerks for the counties of Oxford and Southampton ; and there was also a discrepancy of 26 chains with reference to the terminus as shown on the scale and to its actual position. There was also a number of other allegations. but of no public importance. The Committee adjourned shortly before four o'clock. The following Members composing this Committee met at the usual hour to .day :—Mr. Strutt (chairman), Mr. Beckett and Mr. Denison. The proceedings commenced by calling on THE SOUTH YORICSHIME COAL SILL. Mr. Coates, agent for the promoters ; Mr. Smith, agent for the opposition. After some minor objections, the following was alleged : That ao-plan had been deposited with the parish clerk of the parish of Cawthorne. Several Acts of Parliament, together with an Inclosure Act, were produced on the part of the promoters, in all of which the alleged parish of Cawthorne was defined and de clared to be a township only. Toe Committee, consequently, decided that this was not a non-compliance with the stand ing orders. The Committee then adjourned. Sub-Committee No. 8. The Members composing this Committee assembled to-day at twelve o'clock. The first Bill called was THE MIDLAND (BIRMINGHAM AND GLOUCESTER BRANCH.) Mr. Carter, agent for promoters ; Mr. Elgin, for the Great Western, against the Bill ; Mr. Berkeley, engineer. After some allegations of inaccuracy of sections relating to bridges and high road crossings, and engineering inaccuracies, it was alleged that there were no vertical sections shown. This case was adjourned. SILLS WITHDRAWN. On the following Bills being called, their respective pro moters gave notice of their withdrawal. Liverpool, Warrington, Manchester, and Stockport Direct —Midland Rail way —Newark and Gainsborough—Southamp ton and Dorchester—London and South-Western —Basing stoke and Salisbury. LOUGH SIXTXIMET AND LOUGH FOYLE Will be proceeded with at the next meeting of the Commit tee, which adjourned whilst considering the above. RAILWAY SHARE MARKETS. BRISTOL, Aram 20. STOCK Exesexar.—The sales are--Caledonian, s%—Great Western, Fifths, 34—South Devon, 30 —Wilts, Somerset, and Wey 3nouth, • LIVERPOOL, APRIL 20. STOCK EXCHANGE. pub l li a c c a h ti change cannot be noted in the Share Market' since the of the list of the 16th. To-day, a there is although the business has limited , bee o n n to improved prices. The sales Birkenhead, Lancashire, and li P--Birke r n e h - an evident tendency Birkenhead and Holyhead Junction, 9s. Cheshire Junction, Ditto, i 201. Shares, dia.-Chester and Birkenhead, 49 And Crewe, 1 p.-East Lancashire, No New, 27 li gpo.weand Dumfries, 11 4 dis.- Grand P.-Derby -Edinburgh and Glasgow, 71% _ GI .; - ' % P. _Ditto, No. 2, % p . Huddersfield and Gpalld Junction, Quarters, vp ., rpool and Bury, Manchester, 2 dia.-Huddersfield and Sheffield, Direct, 3s. Thirsk, 54 dis.-Ditto, 501. Shares, 2% di .. „ lii P.- Leeds and ,4 r, n tanchester and GU p.-Ditto, New Shares, 11i p.-Liverpool ari ', - , Stl. die.-Liverpool, Ormskirk, and Preston, B s. Birmingham, 7ii% -Ditto, Quarters (B), 8 p,_ Ditto, Contil , - ton, 19s. dis.- Manc h es ter and Leeds Extensions Midland , 1% p . , ter, Midland, Midland, and Gr eat Grimsby', ii dis.- Stock, 401.1'onheah"- i 1i li p.-Northumber land and Lancaster, 18s. dis.-North Stafford_r, u es shire, 1% p.-Rugby a nd Huntingdon, 18s. 6d dis.- Sheffield and Lincoln, 1A dis.- Sheffield and Manchester, 106-Ditto, Quarter . No, 3, 14 dis.-Shropshire Union and Can al, 114 db.-South Eastern, .361-Ditto, No. 1 (at 18 dis.), 114 p.-Belfast and Ballymena, 5 t n.. -Ulster, 84-Dutch Rhenish, % p. MANCHESTER, Aran. 20. &rem EXCHANGE.-The sales are-Bideford and Taken vistock, 2nd os. dis..-Birkenhead, Chester, Mo'd , &c., IN dis.-Birhead Holyhead Junction, 20s. dis.-Blackburn and I'leStoll, 3% p.-Bos ton, Stamford, and Birmingham, 14s. nis.-Cliester and Manchester Direct, 22s.dis.-Derby and Crewe, 1 1 A p.- Eastern Counties, Per petual (1;o. 2), 61. 175.-East Lancashire, N 0.2, IA p.-Edinburgh and Glasgow, New Quarters, 4 p.-Glasgow and Dumfr.es, % dis.-Grand Union, % c. ti.- Huddersfield and Sheffield Junction, 2 1 4 p.-Lanca shire and North Yorkshire, 11A dis.- Leeds, Dewsbury, and Leeds Ma nchester, % r.- 3 4 Liverpool and Bury,p.-Liverpool and Direct, 14 dis.-Liverpool, Ormskirk, and Preston, % p.-London and Manchester (Remington's), 1% dis.-London and South-Western, 76%-London and York, 3-16 dis.-Manchester and Birmingham, 76 -Ditto, Quarters (B), 7% p.-Ditto, Quarters (C), 634 p.-Man- Cheater and Bury Atmospheric, Bs. Gd. dis.-Northumberland and Lance-shire, I9s. dis.-North Staffordshire, 1% C. p.-Preston and - Wyre, Halves (B), % Preston and Wyre Extension, 1 4 dis.- f3heffield, Leek, and Crewe, a,,,i dis.-Sheffield and Manchester, Quar ters (No. 1), 4 p.-Ditto, ditto (No. 3), par-South Eastern and Dover, Halves (No. 4), 7-16-Tean and Dove Valley, 13s. Gd. dis.- - West Riding Union, 255. Gd p. LEEDS, APRIL 20. B.7ocit Excnatinz.-The sales are-London and Croydon, 21 cash -Ma.neliester and Birmingham, New Quarters (B), 7% p.-Ditto, ditto (C), 6% p.-East Lancashire, No. 2 (late Accrington), 2s. 6d. p.-Huddersfield and Manchester, 1% dis.-Iludderstield and Shef field, 3 p.-Leeds and Bradford , 25 p.-Leeds and Dewsbury, 11i P.-Leeds and Thirsk. 5 1 A dis.-Ditto, New, 60s. dis.-Liverpool and Bury, New, 1 1 A p.-Newcastle and Berwick, 7 1 A p.- Oxford, 'Worcester, and Wolverhampton, 4% dis -London and York, 235. lid. dis.-Glasgow and Dumfries, 17s. dis.- West Riding Union, 31. 7g.-Birkenhead. Chester, Mold, &c., 2 75. dis. - Leeds and Liver p ool Direct, 4s. Gd. dis.-Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midland, par Northumberland and Lancashire Junction, 10s. dis.-North Staf fordshire, 2 p.-North Western, 9s. dis. SHEFFIELD, APRIL 10. ,CTocr ExciamicE.—The sales are—Nottingham and Mansfield 11. 68.—Sheffield and Lincolnshire, 11.—Sheffield, Buxton, Leek, Pot• teriea, and Crewe, 12s. HULL, Aystr. 20. STOOL Ram:tam:az.— Great dinlculties present themselves in share liolders being brought together to call upon promoters of new schemes to wind them up, and unless the Government plan be well matured gud so made as to avoid all further unnecessary lose and expense to the Unfortunate scripholders, it win be useless ; the promoters of the Wont Plies showing a tenacity to their own projects utterly unac countable, except it be for the p urpose of getting as much as possible out of the deposits. The demand for scrip at low figures continues, although not In large quantities. The sales are —Armagh, Coleraine, aired Portrush, 12s.—Bandon and and Bantry, Gs.—Chester and Birk enhead, I is. 3d.—Derby, Gainsborough, a n d G r i msby, 13s. 11.— Zast Lincolnshire. 17s. 6d.— Essex and Suffolk, 12s. W.—Glasgow mod Dumfries, 30s. Cd.—Hull and Barnsley Junction. 233.—Lon dos and Manchester (Remington's), 17s. Gd.—North British, Carlisle Itranch, 343 . — Rugby and Huntingdon, 23 3 .—W est Riding Union, 3s. 6d.—Yorkshire and Glasgow Union, 235. ,NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE, APRIL 20. sGE ._The sales are—Durham a n d S un d er l and, 24 "East Coast, STOcR ETC 2 1 1 : . f,d. ( pg.—North Briti s h, H alves (Carlisle), 9s. p.— Northumberland area , Lanca ster, 225. 1 ORK, Aram '2O. STocc ExcEtiNoz.—Th e sales are—Grand Union (Nottingham to Zynn), 10s.—London and York, 11/2—Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midland, 21. 2s.—Newcastle and Darlington Extensions, 8 North British, Carlisle Extension, 1/. 14s. - North Kent and Direct Dov " , It 4 —Welsh Midland, 1/. 3 s. Gd. — York and North Midland, Few (East an West nidin_O L B !i • SALE OF THE LATE DUKE OF SUSSEX'S COLLECTION "ev Mustc.-011 Monday the sale by auction of the extensive and - valuable collection of manuscript and printed music, the property of _his late Royal Llighness the Duke of Sussex, took place at Messrs. 'Christie end Manson 's auction-rooms. King-street, it. James's. The manuscript music was divided into 108 lots, consisting of arias from various operas, with Italian words and parts for the orchestra, scores ee.single pieces, cantatas, and sacred oratorios, all wcrks of the most eminent composers, and wh ich fetched good pric• s. The printed music comprised operas, with German words, of Mozart, Handel, Crew. ; Italian words by the same composers ; English, by French, by Gluck, Picchi!, Isnard, Rousseau, Haydn, Auber, moo. ; arias, sacred music, glees, English, Scotch, and Irish songs. &e., ace., forming altogether several hundred volumes. By the death of Vice-Admiral Garrett, a Good Ser- Vice Tension of 3001. per annum is placed at the 440141 (tr the d ralWtyt—Dcwonport Telegmh. SE OF LORDS, April 21. Their Lordships met at the usual hour. CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. The Bishop of DURHAM presented a petition from Durham against this Bill. THE LATE ACCIDENT ON THE NORTH MILDAND RAILWAY. The RICUIT Ray. PRELATE drew the attention of their Lordships to the la e accident on the Brandling June tion Railway, on which occasion an engine drawing one of the trains ran cff the line, down the embankment, and injured several persons, one woman severely. Ile therefore wished to ask the Noble Lord, the President of the Board of Trade, whether steps had been taken to prevent parsons living immediately contiguous to a railway from receiving injury, or losing their lives by such accidents ; and whether his attention had been called to the particular subject of the accident by the receipt of any report with respect to it ? The Earl of DALHOUSIE said an officer connected with the Board of Trade had been dispatched to investigate the cause of the accident to which the Right Rev. Pre late had referred, and whether it was possible to trace the cause of it. The report of this officer had not yet been received, but he expected it every hour. When he re ceived it he would lay it on the table of the House, ac cording to custom. The Bishop of DURHAM said nothing could be more satisfactory than the explanation of the Noble Lord. THE REFORMATION OF CRIMINALS. Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from the Lord Provost and citizens of Edinburgh, praying that steps might be taken to reform criminals on their liberation from prison, in order that they might become good and useful members of society. SELLING SPIRITS ON THE SABBATH. The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD also present( d a number of petitions from various parts of Scotland against the sale of spirituous liquors on the Lord's-day. Messengers brought up several Bills from the House of Commons, and praying their Lordships' concurrence to the same. CHARITY TRUSTS BILL. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition, numerously signed, praying their Lordships not to sanction the Bill introduced by his Noble Friend (the Lord Chancellor). The Noble Lord did not, however, concur in the ()pinions expressed by the petitioners, that the passing of the pro posed Bill would prove detrimental to the interests of voluntary societies. THE DISSOLUTION OF RAILWAYS. The Earl of DALHOUSIE rose to give notice that, in pursuance of the announcement made by her Majesty's Government respecting railways, he would, on Thursday next, submit the Bill to the House; that next day he we/1M draw their attention to a sessional order he in tended to propose applicable to all railway companies, to which the order of postponement to the 27th of April referred. With this intimation, he would now move that all proceedings of that House on Railway Bills be post poned till the 27th instant.—Agreed to. Their Lordships then adjourned till Thursday next. HOUSE OF COMMOiVS. April 21. The SPEAKER took the chajr at Four o'clock. NuM MEMBERS. Lord MILTON took the oaths and his seat for the borough of Maldon, in the room of Mr. Childers, who has accepted the office of Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds. Mr. RICH also took the oaths and his seat fur Rich mond in the room of Mr. Ridley Colborne. TEE SUN, LoN Do N, WEDNESDA Y MORNING. APRIL 22, 1846. SECOND READINGS. The following Bills were read a second time and or dered to be committed, viz. :—Worcester Gas, Sheffield General Cemetery, Belfa4 Improvement, Belfast Con sumers' Gas, Dublin Cemeteries, Dublin Markets, Sion College, Queensferry Passage, Liverpool Water, Liverpool Paving, Sewering, and Watering ; Metropolitan Sewage Manure Company, Wolverhampton Stipendiary Justice, Frilford (Berks) Inclosure, Graves end and Milton Waterworks, Tunbridge Wells Improve ment, Wath upon Dearne Improvement, Newport and Pillgwenlly Waterworks, Leith Petty Customs. THIRD READINGS. The following Bill•. were read a third time and passed, of Docks, Glasgow Waterworks, Dundee New Gas (Amendments to Le proposed), Upwell-eum- Welney Rector), Royal Asylum of St. Anne's Society. MITCHAM AND SOUT 11-WESTERN RAILWAY. Mr. GREENE moved that the Mitcham and South Western Railway Bill (of which notice of report was given for Thursday, the Bth day of April) be reported, notwithstanding the resolution of the House, of the 7th day of April. The Hon. Gentleman also moved that the order referring the Derhy, Gainsborough, and Great Grimsby Junction Railway Bill, to the Committee of Selection, be now read, and discharged. The Bill was withdrawn. CORN-LAWS. Sir JOHN HANDIER presented a petition from the Town Council of Hull against the delay in passing the Corn Bill ; also a petition from Hull, in favour of temperance. RATING OF TENEMENTS. An HON. MEMBER gave notice, that on a future day, he should move for leave to introduce a Bill to rate 51. tenements in the name of the occupier, instead of the landlord. Mr. DUNCAN presented a petition from the magis trates, town council, and merchants of Dundee, com plaining of the delay which had taken place in passing the Government measure for the removal of the re strictions on trade and commerce, and praying her Ma jesty's Ministers to expedite the passing of it into a law. Dr. BOWRING presented a petition from the Catholic clergymen and inhabitants of the city of Exeter in favour of the Bill for the removal of the disabilities affecting persons who profess the Roman Catholic re ligion. Mr. B. ESCOTT presented a petition from a place in Wiltshire in favour of the Catholic Relief Bill. PAYMENT OF GREENWICH PENSIONERS. Captain LAYARD presented a petition from the pen sioners of Greenwich Hospital, complaining of the re cent alterations in the mode of paying their pensions. RAILWAY BILLS. Mr. MARK PHILIPS presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce, Manchester, praying the House to suspend for the present any further legislation upon railway Bills. Sir H. 11. INGLIS presented a petition signed by the ministers of Salop against the union of the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor. Mr. BANKES presented a petition in favour of the Catholic Relief Bill. NOTICES OF MOTION. Dr. BOWRING gave notice of his intention, this day fortnight, to call the attention of the House to the ne cessity of reforming the existing quarantine laws. RAILWAY LEGISLATION. Sir R. PEEL—I beg to give notice that, on Thurs day next, at the time of private business, I shall call the attention of the House to the state of railway legislation, and to the number of railway Bills before as. At the same time I shall propose a sessional order, the effect of which will be that the House will resolve that it will not give its consent to the third reading of any railway Bill unless it shall be notified to the House previously that a meeting of share holders and scripholders of the Company who promote the Bill, convened after due notice, had been held, at which a certain proportion of the parties had signified their desire that the Bill should be proceeded with.— (Cheers.) I will simply lay at present upon the table of the House the whole of the resolutions I shall move on Thursday, so that the House may be in full possession Mr. S. O A ' BB S u E E N N T ~E t aE v i T n A n t t l h a t E t h Ls wood, ce on Thui s on that d a y o f t h e nature and effect of my proposal. day next, move t h at some compen sa ti on , for non -r p e e s d id te e nt to tax absentees, as EVICTION OF Ti.-nN?eANTS. Mr. S. CRAWFORD gave notice that he would, on Tuesday next, move for leave tenantsi n Ireland. to bring in a Bill for the protection of ej ecte d VAN DIEMEN'S LAND. Mr. EWART gave notice that he would, on this day fortnight (Tuesday), move f into the state of Van Dieine,l )r ' s t a C nd ommittee to inquire Mr. H. BERKELEY called the attention of the House to a paragraph which had recently appeared in the limes, with respect to the uttering of base coin on unfortunate females. He wished to ask the Right lion. Baronet whether it was the determination of her Ma je,ty's Government to put the law in abeyance with re• spect to the uttering of base coin, when passed upon whether it was their i n • unfortunate femalt4, and if so, tention to carry out the principle in all other details? Sir G. CLERK said, that having seen the statement in the newspapers to which the Hon. Gentleman had a e re ferred, he, h duty to make inquiry intoad thought it his the subject, and he was informed that no such regulation existed as that to which refer ence had been ma de Ares had in out of The statement in the Times , therefore, some mistake. That sta tement also attracted the atten tion of the Attorney - G eneral, and he al so had made inquiries, and with t he same result as that which had at tended the inquiries m ade b y him (Sir G. Clerk). IRISH COLLEGES. Mr. E. B. ROCIIE said that under the Colleges (Ireland) Bill, passed last session, Cork was fixed upon as a proper place for a public college to be built. Now, although the Bill had been p assed twelve months, yet no step had apparently yet been taken for carrying Out the provisions of the measure; even the sites for the colleges had not yet been fixed. He wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet whether the Go vernment really intended to carry out the law that was passed last session, and if so, why so much delay had oc curred, at a time when 30,000 pers( ns were out of em• ployment in Cork ? He wished to know whether the Government intended to carry out the Bill, or whether they had come round to the opinion that these colleges would be infidel institutions ? Sir J. GRAHAM said, that so far from any neglect having taken place en the part of the Government, with respect to proceedings with the Irish Colleges, the pre sident and vice-president had been appointed, the site of one of the colleges at Belfast had been fixed upon, and, in a few days, the site of the one at Cork would be chosen. IRISH CORPORATIONS. Ireland, and a deputation some short time ago waited on the Loral-Lieuteuant and represented the great hardships which had arisen under the course of legislation with re spect to minor guilds, and they prayed that such guilds might be abolished. A promise had been made, which had been already so far carried into effect that a Bill was prepared for the remedying of the grievance, and which would in two or three days from that time be introduced before the House. ARTS AND ARCHITECTURE IN IRELAND. Mr. WYSE would wish to put a question to the Right Hon. Baronet which was in some degree connected with the previous questions from the Hon. and Learned Mem ber for Cork. He wished to know whether any measures had been taken for the encouragement of public compe tition with respect to the plans fur building the public colleges, thus giving an impetus to the fine arts and the architecture of Ireland ? Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that the answer might have more properly come from his Right Hon. Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who was more compe tent to reply to the question than he was. He believed, however, that the site of only one of the colleges had been determined upon, and in this case the architect had been appointed. THE HEROES OF THE PUNJAUB. Mr. BAILLIE said that as a vote of public money had been proposed by Government for the purpose of erect ing a monument to the memory of Sir Robert Sale, he wished to know whether it was intended to grant a sinai lar tribute to another otlicer of superior rank, who hkid equally distinguished himself in Atighanistan, and who had also fallen in the late suce( ssful campaign—he meant the late Major-General Sir John M'Caskill ? Sir R. PEEL said, I beg to state that, considering the services, the high character, and the circumstances attending the death of Sir John MiCaskill, it is my intention to propose that the same tribute of respect be paid to that lamented officer that the Government has already submitted to the House in the case of Sir Robert Sale. OUTRAGES IN THE TOWN OF CARRICK-ON- SUIR. Mr. WYSE said that he collected from the public papers, that on Wednesday last, outrages of a terrific character had taken place in the town of Carrick-on- Suir, and that the military were obliged to bo called out. Apprehensions were entertained at Waterford that they would be subjected to the same excesses. He believed that these riots had been of a very serious character, and he was happy to say that, from what he had understood, the members of the Catholic Church had been most peaceable. He had been also informed that serious apprehensions were entertained by the members of that Church of the pernicious results that were likely to arise from them, and he wished to know the intentions of her Majesty's Government. Sir J. GRAHAM said that from sources that were open to all Hon. Members were aware that very serious riots had occurred in Tipperary, but he was happy to say that from information which had been received by the Government during the last week these disturbances had been entirely suppressed, and that measures had been taken to prevent their recurrence. IRISH COLLEGES BILL. Mr. J. O'CONNELL wished to know from the Bight Hon. Baronet opposite whether there was any objection on the part of the Government to bring in any measure during the present session to amend the Bill for the founding of colleges in Ireland, which was passed last year? To that Bill there were the strongest objec tions in the country, and he wished therefore to ask him whether he was inclined to take the whole case into con sideration, and thus to satisfy the feelings of the nation. The Right Honourable Baronet was aware that the whole of the Catholic prelates, an overwhelming body of the Catholic clergy, and the whole of the Irish peo ple, almost without exception, were opposed to the Bill as it now stood. Sir J. GRAHAM—There is no intention on the part of the Government to introduce any alteration of that Bill. IRISH COUNTY ELECTIONS. Mr. F. FRENCH wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet whether there was any intention on the part of the Government to introduce any Bill for shortening county elections in Ireland. Sir J. G RAH A M—lt has already been stated in the course of the present session that her Majesty's Govern ment intended to introduce a Bill for amending the Act which regulated county elections in Ireland. The Bill was already prepared. SIR ROBERT DICK. Sir DE LACY EVANS believed that the Government Punjaub we that Sir E. Di(khiAl fallen in the campaign, as wall as the other officers whose memory it was the iutention of Parliament "„to honour, and he wished to know whether this gallant officer was to be remembered along with them? _ _ Sir R. PEEL-In the course of the several conversa tions which have arisen on the Punjaub campaign, I have stated that it is my intention to recommend the same memorials should be erected to all the officers en- ' joying the rank of Major-General, and I shall there fore deem it my duty to recommend the same tribute of respect to Sir It Diets as to the other gallant officers who have fallen in this contest. CANADA TIMBER. Lord G. BENTINCK said that he rose to ask for an explanation of a false return which had been made to that House. He hail had the honour of moving for a return of the prices of Canada and bevelled timber during the last seven years, he made the motion for that return the last week in January, or the first week in February ; that part of the return which appeared to him to be false is dated from the Landed Surveyor's-office on Feb. 13, and it was consequently on the 13th of Feb. that the return must have been made before the Board of Trade. That return was not presented to the House until the Ist of April.-(hear hear.) The object of his moving for the return was to throw some light on the debate which was then going forward on the timber duties. The return' which had been made to the Ilouse had given the following as the prices of bevelled timber. It stated that the prices in 1840, were from 5/. ss. to 51. 10s. per load, duty paid. In 1841, it stated the prices were from 5/. ss. to 51. 7s. 6d. In 1842, the prices were stated to be from 41. 17s. 6d. to 5/. per load. He begged pardon of the House, he had been giving what he believed to be the real prices of timber during the periods he had mentioned, and not the returns furnished by the Government. The following were the returns presented by the Ministers :-In 1840, the price per load of be velled timber duty paid was said to vary from 81. to 81. ss. ; in 1841, it was said to vary from 71. 15s. to 81, and in 1842, from 71. 15s. to Si., the duty being 555. per load. The average of the three years he had mentioned, by referring to the returns laid on the table by her Majesty's Ministers, was 8/. ls. Bd. In 1842, the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Government introduced his changes with respect to the duties on timber, and he reduced the duty to 255. per load in 1844. The return went to state that the prices in 1842 varied from 51. ss. to 51. lOs ; in 1845, from Si. to 51. 7s. ; and in 1846, from Si. 12s. 6d. to Si. 17s. 6d., making an average of 51. 12s. 6d. Now, the result of these re turns went to show to that House, and to the country, that the consumers had gained by the remission of 30s. duty, not only the whole amount of duty of 19s. 2d , over and above the duty, making the whole gain 495. 2d. by this reduction of 20s. alone upon timber. Now he be lieved it to be the fact, so far from these returns being true, that if a true return had been made to the House, it would have been found that the prices from 1840 to 1842 were as follows :-In 1840, Si. 10s. per load ; in 1841, 5/. ss. •, end in 1842, 5/. ss. ; showing an average of 51. 65., the duty 555. per load, whilst in the last three years since the duty had been reduced from 655. to 305. He believed that if a true return had been made, it would have shown that the prices were 4/. ss. in 1844, 41. ss. in 1845, and 41. 12s. 6d. in 1846, showing an average price of 4/. 7s. 6d., so that the consumers upon the average of three years since the duty was taken off, instead of gaining, as it was represented by the return, 493. 2d. per load, only gained about 19s. 2d., while the balance went into the pockets of the producer. Now it was a most important matter to that House that they should be able to rely on the truth and accuracy of those statistical papers vThich were laid before it by the Board of Trade, and on which the House founded its legislation. tie considered it a serious matter, and his first intention was to move that the subordinate officer should be called to the Bar to explain his instructions and his object in imposing upon the House. It might be all very well for gentlemen connected with the commercial inte rest to discover these false returns, and to be uninfluenced by them; but these returns passed current with the vast majority of the people and with the House, and leading articles, written by learned editors of newspapers, were founded on them ' proving the great advantage to be derived from free trade. He considered it therefore his bounden duty to explain these circumstances, and the false re turn had lain upon the table of the House for seven weeks, and it was not until the Ist of April the proper and correct one had been given. Sir ROBERT PEEL said that he could not feel him self justified to enter into any argument upon the subject, but merely to state the facts. His atten tion had not been called to the error until the Noble Lord had intimated his intentions to the Govern ment. As to the returns, though made by her Majesty's Government to the House, he was sorry to say that it was impossible for any Minister to un dertake to be responsible for their faultless accuracy. Having discovered that an error had occurred, he had orderedthatthe a choiroraescet, and dturint would d ld be be immediately possession u tel o y f presented to as to what depa rtment c his hand a letter from Hon. Members to-morrow. t h I e I e C h ti a s d t o a i l n s s o made e r inquiries o ccurred in, and h e held i n turn was certified. the t o the 'our requisition, calling following effect:-In answer to ) of the Customs the the officer by whom t T h h e e Memel and Canadian error in the return on the accuracylee woaf that it was timber arose, I regret to state on me to state in what department mis take appears to have arisen from the officer taking the average price from the price current, which in the landing surveyor's department. _The is not an official document, and in which the prices are not. He (Sir R. Peel) appre hended that there could be He could quoted, sometimes in cludin g the duty and sometimes no doubt as to how the m istake had arisen. d only express his regret t hat the mistake had occ re , but he had taken every measure to rectify it. TENANT RIGHTS IN IRELA ND. Mr. P. SCROI'E rose to put a question to the Right Hon. Baronet on the subject o f the le g alit y of tenant rights in the North of Ireland. T here were one hun dred_ millions of property unprotected in the north of Ireland. The pul 1 c sheu'd be made aware of the bad state of the law on this subject, befece they proceeded to discuss the present law of landlord and right. It should be ascertained beyond all doubt whether the outgoing tenant in Ireland had really any right to sell his got d will to the property which he was samut to give up, or whether the tenant was entitled to compensation Pecan the landlord when he ejected him, That claim had bet Mr. O'CONNELL wished to know whether it was the intention of the Government to abolish the minor guilds in Dublin ? Sir J. GRAHAM said, that although he had not been prepared for the question of the Hon. and Learned Member for Cork, he was yet enabled in some degree to answer his inquiry. The Hon. nod Learned Member was doubtless aware that, with respect to Scotland, a Bill was prepared for the purpose of abolishing the ex clusive rights of which the Hon. and Learned Member complained. The same evils had been found to exist iu recognised in a great part of the north of Ireland for a long series of years, and to a very great extent. To such an extent, in fact, had that right been recognised that in some instances the outgoing tenant sold their good-will at five, ten, fifteen, twenty, and sometimes even more years' purchase on their rents. It had there fore become a recognised practice ; the tenant had in fact gained a sort of ownership in the soil, which he might dispesa of when and as he pleased. Evidence of that right being recognised regularly in Down, Armagh. and the other counties of Ulster, was given by several witnesses before Lord Devon. But it app 'ared that the landlords were now invading that right of the tenants, and continued nibbling at it till they hoped they might destr .y it. If the tenants were not in fact entitled to such right, the public should hare a definite answer to that effect from the Government ; and, after it had been recognised fur so long a period, he wished to know wlya her the landlords of Ireland had it in their power to cell ;n the aid of the military or civil force to eject their t nants, without giving them any compensation. Th, re were cases in which a number of tenants were located on large tracts of land, and where the sheriff of the county was called upon to eject those tenants, with out any reference to the right that the tenant had to the sale of the good-will of his farms. The Hon. Member concluded by reading his question. • Sir JAMES GRAIIA al said that the question put by the Hon. Member involved no fewer than three other questions—namely, a question of common policy, a question of common right, and a question of common law.—(H, ar.) With regard to the civil r'ghts of the tenants in the province of Ulster in Ireland, he begged to say he believed that such a right was not recognised by the written law of the land, but by the law of usage ; and if he were asked whetlur that right was rec gnised by the Courts of Law in Ireland, he should say he believed it was not.—(Hear, hirer.) With regard to the law of ejectment or habare, in such cases the sheriff had no right whatever to exercise any judgment of his own, but to proceed to execute the writ ; and it was the duty of all authori ties, civil and military, on the requisition of the sheriff, to attend him and assist him in the execution of that writ. Therefore, if a writ of injunction, or habare, were issued, it would be the duty of the sheriff, and of the civil and military authorities, to act as be had des cribed. Again, he had only to say that the question of the Hon. Member was one of law and not of policy. THE INFERNAL MACHINE. Mr. CALEB POWELL wished to d , aw the attention of the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Horne Department to a statement which had appeared in a local journal, stating that a machine, which had been aptly called an "inf2rnal machine," had been found in a warahouse in Sheffield. The mischief that had resulted was comparatively trivial, but this was nothing when compared to the fear which was engen dered in the public mind by such a state of things, and which those by whom these machines were invented, were desirous to uphold. Now if such a statement had been furnished, he wished to know whether it was in the contemplation of the Go vernment to found a Bill upon it, for the better protection of the lives of that portion of her Majesty's subjects, on whose premises such attempts had been made ?—( Laughter. ) Sir JAMES GRAHAM said he had heard by accident of the machine to which the Hon. Gentleman had adverted. He was understood to say that the Government did not intend at the present moment to introduce a Bill en the subject, prefer ring to leave the punishment of the offen.lers to the law. PROTECTION OF LIFE AND PROPERTY (IRELAND). Mr. C. BULLER said he wished to call the attention of the Government to a subjeet in which the promotion of the busi ness of the House was involved. On the 20th of March he moved for certain returns, with respect to the outrages re ported by the constabulary of Ireland since 1841, which he had hoped would have been laid on the table of the House before this. Similar returns up to 1841 had been furnished and were now in the library of the House. He did not wish to make any disturbance about the matter—( A laugh)—but he was anxious to know when the returns moved for would ba laid on the table of the House ? _ . . . Sir JAMES GRAHAM, who spoke in a low tone, was un derstood to say, that the returns would be laid on the table of the House vrith the least possible delay. Mr. C. BULLER said, looking at the way in which the public business of that House was conducted by the Right Hon. Baronet—(Hear, hear) —he was sure no unnecessary delay would take place. Mr. J. O'CONNELL also inquired when certain returns he had moved for with respect to the number of agrarian out rages in England, would be laid on the table? Sir JAMES GRAHAM also said no unnecessary delay would take place in supplying them. The dropped orders of yesterday were then disposed of. THE CORN IMPORTATION BILL—CUSTOMS DUTIES BILL. The Committee on these two Bills was postponed till Friday neat. PROTECTION OF LIFE (IRELAND) The adjourned debate on the first reading of this Bill was postponed till Friday next. SUPPLY. On the motion of Mr. GREENE, the report of this Com• mittee was brought up, and the resolutions agreed to. POOR-LAW COMMISSIONERS. eome necessary, and that no stain was thrown upon Mr. Day's character, The Hon. Member then went on to say that is Nicholls had ascribed Mr. Day's dismissal to his not being equal to the duties of the office. The House can conceive what must have been Mr. Day's astonishment when, after hav ing received the letter calling upon him to resign within a fortnight of the date of that letter, he 'lewd from Mr. Nicholls that the establishment was reduced, and that Colonel Wade had been appointed to succeed him in the office which he held as Assistant-Commissioner. Colonel Wade had been appointed to succeed him, and he was rather inclined to think that the prolongation of the appointment had been made to suit Colonel Wade's convenience. Mr. Day had con tinued to act as Assistant-Commissioner for nearly two months after he had received the letter requesting him to resign ; and in order to complete the inconsistency which had been dis played throughout this transaction, it would appear that, from a period extending from the 31st of March to the 18th of April, the district over which Mr. Day had presided was left with out any superintendence. The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite bad stater!, that no fault was attributable to him, but no rerson had been giver, for being so peremptorily called upon to resign. It could not Lave been that it was intended to reduce the number of the officers employed, or to reduce the establish ment of the Poor-law Commission ; why, there had been no reduction in the Assistant Commissioners, and the Board had, in fact, been materially increased by the appointment of a fourth Chief Commissioner. The Hon. Gentleman then read a letter which Mr. Day had addressed to the Duke of Wellington, when he found that he could not succeed in obtaining redress elsewhere. The letter complained that Mr. Day had been dismissed; but with the mere excuse---a vague g enera lit y o f pu bli c serv i ce an d pu bli c duty—the public wou ld not feel that he had b een d i sm i ssed without a cause, o n th e contrary, they would entertain suspi cions that some charg e was reserved against him. The Hon. Gentleman then resumed by reading a motion, of which he had given notice, and proceeded to say there would be no iin prorriety in referring this subject to a Committee of Inquiry. There existed great similarity between the case of Mr. Day and the case of Mr. Parker, which had been brought before the House. With respect to Mr. Day, he had repeatedly applied to the Poor-law Commissioners without obtaining any satisfactory reply. Assisting Commissioners had been dis missed at different times under circumstances which exposed them to the most disagreeable suspicions. There had been R 3 disturbance about Mr. Day's case, all had been conducted with the strictest propriety, and he felt that both Mr. Day and Mr. Parker had met great injustice at the hands of the Commissioners. His belief was, that when these two cases, with all the facts connected with them, should come before the public, it would be quite impossible that the House could again vote the salaries of the Poor-law Commissioners without having first investi gated an inquiry into their genet al mode of administering the poor-laws of the country. The House was probably aware of the mode in which the Rochdale board of guardians had been justified by a decision of the Court of Queen's Bench, in disobeying an order of the Poor-law Commissioners. They had been compelled, after every imaginary fencing on the part of their counsel, at last reluctantly to confess that they were in error. They were obliged to adm i t that the general order, addressed to the Rochdale board of guardians, was illegal, inas much that, after having been signed by one commissioner, it was carried by a messenger to Mr. Lewis, to receive a second signature. If then the Commissioners were wrong in one case, the natural inference would be that they were also wrong in other cases, which escaped the public notice. He believed that if a Committee were appointed to inquire into the general mode of administering the Poor-law Amendment Act, there would be no difficulty in proving that much mismange ment existed. It would be found that the Poor-law Commis sioners had neglected to comply with many of the provisions contained in the Poor-law Amendment Act. In the Rochdale case, for instance, where there was an order required for the signature of two Poor-law Commissioners, it had been signed by one commissioner, and then by the secretary, which ren dered the order ineffective, inasmuch as it was not complying with the express provision of the Act. The services of the secretary, as recording officer, had been in a measure entirely dispensed with. He (Mr. Christie) bad always been a strong friend of the Poor-law Amendment Act, and had always voted for it. The object of his present motion was not directed against the poor-laws, but against the Foor-law Commissioners. He could not tell what would be the result of the present motion, but whatever it might be, he felt sure that the state ments he had made would go forth to-morrow to the public, and they would be the judges. They would draw this inference from the cases of Mr. Day and Jr. Parker, that no officer attached to the Poor-law Commissioners was at present safe from the arbitrary manner in which the Commissioners exerted their power. The motion was then read from the Chair, when Sir JAMES GRAHAM rose and said he could assure the Hon. and Learned Gentleman who had just sat down, that if he had taken the opportunity of asking him whether or not it was his intention to oppose the motion before the House, he (Sir James Graham) should have informs(' him that it was not his intention to have opposed it. On a former occasion he had told the House that in his opinion it was utterly impossible for the Poor-law Commissioners properly to discharge their duties, unless they possessed the unfettered liberty of discharg ing their Assistant Commissioners, and other officers, whenever they thought proper, without being held responsible to any other power. He had come to the fixed conclusion that the case of Mr. Parker had been thoroughly inquired into, and he could not see any distinction between that case and the case of Mr. Day. The Hou-e had decided by a majority on a former occasion, and it was not his in'ention to call upon the House to come to a division on the present occasion. He was willing at once to accede to the motion of the Hoe. Gentleman. The Hon. Gentleman hail animadverted upon certain circumstances which had nothirg whatever to do with this case. With respect to the Rochdale Board of Guardians, he believed that there had been an error in that ease, but it was not his intention at present to go into that matter. The Hon. Gentleman had also said that the proceedings of the Poor-law Commissioners in the case of Mr. Parker and Mr. Day could not be justified. He had every reason to be lieve that the Commissioners had exercised their power in those cases with great discretion. It was possible that the superintendents of the districts might, in their opinion, be placed under the superintendence of a person who, on tha whole, might be considered as more adequate to discharge the duties. But he (Sir James Graham) did not wish to institute any comparison between Mr. Day and Colonel Wade. He, for his own part, had no partiality whatever for Colonel Wade, and, in fact, was unacquainted with him, and was also unacquainted with Mr. Day ; he could, therefore, decide with perfect indifference between them. All that he could say was, that with respect to any part which he had taken in this trans action, that he had not been guided in any way by showing favour and partiality to one more than another, It was neces sary to promote the public service with reference to particular districts, that the Commissioners should have that power of appointing whom they pleased to the superintendence. He (Sir James Graham), for one, would consent to the produc tion of all correspondence and papers relative to this trans action. He was fully prepared to make the most ample and unreserved explanation with respect to the circumstances that had occurred in reference to the resignation of Mr. Day as Assistant Commissioner. Under these circumstances, he should not feel justified in opposing the motion of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. . _ Mr. CHRISTIE rose to move for copies of all correspond ence hetween William Day, Esq., late Assistant Commissioner of Poor-laws and the Poor-law Commissioners, and the Secre tary for the Home Department, relative to his involuntary re signation of his Assistant Poor-law Commissionership ; and of all Alinutes relative ,to Mr. Day's resignation, and to the ap pointment of Colonel Wade as his successor. Also, that it be be an instruction to the Committee on the Andover Union to inquire into all the circumstances under which Mr. Day was called upon to resign. In asking for these papers, he thought that he was only asking for, that which was requisite, from a reason that under the circumstances it was just:and necessary for the public service, and which seems on every ground to require ex ilanation. He trusted that there would be no objection made by the Government on this occasion, although he was aware that the Poor-law Commissioners had, under the Act, the power of removing an Assistant-Commissioner ; but at the same time, he was aware that the Act of Parliament which gave the discretion also required that it should be exercised only upon due cause being shown; and he wished to know whether, in the case to which he had referred, any communication had been made to the Secretary of the Home D epartment? By that Act it was also required that at every meeting of the Com missioners the secretary should be present, and without him the board was not considered complete. At each of these meetings also it was required that the secretary should take a full note of the proceedings, the minutes of which should be forwarded according to the regulations of the Poor-law Amend ment Act. (The Hon. Gentleman here read the 7th section of the Act, which regulates this proceeding.) He wished to know whether these minutes had been made, and whether they bad been submitted to the Right Hon. Baronet opposite? Mr. Day applied to the Poor-law Commissioners, and to the Right Hon. Baronet, for all the minutes relative to the call upon him for his resignation. Reasons had been given to him —reasons which he should show presently did not at all tally with one another. He thought he might safely say that the facts and circumstances of the case fully and clearly disproved every one of the reasons which had been advanced. These reasons being totally unsatisfactory to Mr. Day, he applied to the Poor-law Commissioners to ascertain the real cause of his dismissal, but the only answer he could get from them was an evasion of the question, and from the Right Honourable Baronet an acknowledgment of his letter. He would now proceed to detail the circumstances of Mr. Day's case. At the time when he was unexpectedly re quested to send in his resignation, he bad been an Assistant Commissioner for a period of eight years. Mr. Day, long before the passing of the Poor-law Commission Act, had paid special attention to the working of the poor-law, having been for some years in the commission of the peace for the county of Sussex, and had watched its operations with great interest. At the time of the passing of the Act, Mr. Day gave to the:Commissioners the benefit of his experience, and sent them a report, the value of which they at once admitted, and which they printed and placed as a preface to their own report. Mr. Day continued to give them the benefit of his observations after the formation of the board at Somerset House, and the sense which the Commissioners had of his assistance was proved by the fact, that when, towards the close of the year 1835, it was determined to appoint six additional commissioners, it was proposed to Mr. Day, without any soli citation on his part, that he should undertake one of those appointments thus placed at their disposal. He believed that he might say the applications for cemmissionerships were ex tremely numerous, and out of a large number of candidates for the appointment, many were persons of distinction and ability. Mr. Day, however, was the person selected to fill one o f the six cemmissionerships. He did not accept the appointment without some solicitation, as he had embarked largely in farming, in Sussex, and it occurred to him that his acceptance of the appointment would withdraw him from the pursuits in which he was engaged, and there would be nothing in the appointment to recompense him for the withdrawal. Mr. Day accepted the appointment, and from that time con tinued in the situation for eight years, during which he zea lously and faithfully discharged his duty, and received the ap probation of his superiors. During the whole of that period he was only absent eight weeks, and he was never subject to the slightest expression of disapprobation. The only fault—if fault it could be called—that was found with him, was Mr. Lewis requesting him in his communications to write his cha racters larger. The eight weeks absence arose from an acci dent which Mr. Day met with in August, 1843, by which he was laid up for five weeks. On the Bth of September he re sumed his duty, and he continued- improving in health and strength, and had almost forgotten the accident, when he was reminded of it about five months after it took place by receiving a communication from the Poer-law Commissioners. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman here read the letter which Mr. Day received, which was to th e effect that the condition of the district had been brought un der the consideration of the Poor law Commissioners, and they were isfied that art active As sat sistant Commissioner was necessary and indispensable. On this account, from the accident that had occured on the 1M August, and as they were prec h luded . f f rom appointing any m r . Day) could not make the exer to the conclusion that he (. tion necessary to the due fulfilment el the doties of the office, and supernumerary, they were under t e pain ul necessity of coming suegested his resignation. This was signed by Mr. Nicholls. Mr Day did not resume his duties till the 25th September, but he bad reason to su pp ose that the P oor - law Commis sioners believed that he had recovered from the effects of resume hi s duties, althopgl t he would still, no his accident befor e that time, for he had a letter from a Mr. Lewis of a previous date, statin g that h e was glad that he was able to doubt, feel the effects of the accident fo r Some time to co me . Mr. Day replied to the co mmunic a ti on from Mr. Ni c h o ll s , and stated, that as far as his bodil y health was concerned,e he was as well as ever, but h e w as convinced that had he asked leave for a quarter he should have been well much sooner i but he added, that , under the circumstances, he could not think of asking leave for such a Mr. Day got no answer to the letters whi c h he forwarded to the Poor-law Commissioners, further than expressions of • cere regret that they were compelled, from a s aris e of du En-, abstain from giving the reasons of his dismissal. Sentimentsty, to of such regret were certainly lavishly wed, and they disclaimed zll intention to injure him , and all a bsence of personal feeling ed in the matter. The Commissioners had rec e i ve d evidence against Mr. Day with closed doors, and that gentleman had no opportunity of ascertaining the grounds of his dismissal. He had from time to time written to them, praying and beseech ing them to reveal to him those reasons, but he had not, up to the present mome nt received any such infor mation. Now h e (Mr. Christie) considered it a painful injustice that an old and long-tried officer, Mr. Day, should be treated as he had. Lewis,sking him to give • Mr. Day wrote to Mr. sons of his dismissal, to which Mr. Day received an answer, but the writer scrupulously abstained from giving any reasons for his dismissal. The writer of the letter wrote another to the Chairman of the South Wales Union, and received an an. ewer, in which the writer declared that he had never heard his name mentioned before Sir James Graham, so that that point that Mr. Day's dismissal had not been owing to any re presentation that had been made to the South W ales Com- ' Miasioners. When M r. Da y could get no satisfactory explan ation from the Poor-layi Commissioners, he applied to the Right Hon. Gentleman, from whom he received a letter, which the Hon. A lread, and which e mber , was to the effect that the Poor-law Collnlissioll ers alone had the cl.ercise of the authority of dismiss al, and that dismissals had taken piece t emsequenoe of a re duction of the eatablishment having be. The motion was then put from the Chair, and agreed to without a division. Mr. CHRISTIE said that the Right Hon. Baronet had given no explanation of his intended reduction of the number of Assistant Poor-law Commissioners, as stated in the letter written by him. Sir J. GRAHAM said, that when he wrote that letter he did contemplate a reduction of the number of Assistant Poor law Commissioners. MAL-PRACTICES IN THE GENERAL POST- OFFICE. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said, that he would ask if it was the intention of Government to accede to the motion he was about to make. He would not long occupy the time of the House, if the Government intended to accede to it, but if it was their intention to oppose the motion he was about to submit, he would throw himself upon the House, and request it, if be made out a case for inquiry, to give him its support. He could not conceive any public department in this country that it was more necessary for the House to examine and inquire into than the General Post-office. At the close of last session he had brought forward this question, but it came almost too late. He had asked for a Commission to inquire into the manner in which that establishment was managed. With re gard to the complaints attached to the General Post-office, he believed that there was no public office in this country, against which greater cause of dissatisfaction could be alleged. The complaints were not only outside the walls of that department, but they existed to an alarming and discreditable extent within its walls. The petition to which he was about to call the attention of the House, in order to have it referred to a Committee, showed to him all sorts of mal-administration. The public complained of this department of the public service in consequence of the delay in the delivery of letters. He could prove that, but for certain mal-practices going on in the office, the public would have their letters half.an-hour sooner in this city. There existed also a considerable amount of dissatisfaction in the office at the manner in which the officers were treated by their superiors, and also at the manner in which the carriers and sorters were ' remunerated. If any subordinate officer had any complaint to make to the Postmaster-General, he had no chance of reaching the ears of that gentleman, because it had to go through certain channels, where it would be misrepresented or stopped, so that the men were afraid to make any complaint for fear of sus pension. The petition to which he would call the attention of the House was from Mr. Duncan, a gentleman of great respectability, and proprietor of the Sentinel newspaper. He had been at the trouble to examine the allegations contained in that petition, and there was not one of them he was not pre pared to support and verify on evidence. Mr. Du n ca n had given offence to the Post-office by some charge he had made against them, and which appeared in the Sentinel newspaper. It was alleged that those statements were libellous, and two actions had been brought by Mr. Kelly, the superintendent of the letter-carrier department. One of the actions was brought in June last, and the result was, that after being held in abeyance for some time, thinking to alarm the proprietor of the newspaper, and hinder him from persevering in his attack, the costs were paid, and the action was withdrawn. They thought that having shown this merciful consideration to Mr. Duncan be would not again molest them ; but he repeated his original assertion, and a second action was brought, which action was held over as long as it possibly could; the costs were again paid, and it was withdrawn. If that action had been still pend ing, it would he his duty not to make any reference to the pre sent petition ; but as it had been abandoned, he was at liberty to discuss any of the assertions contained. Mr. Duncan com menced by stating that there were many abuses in the General Post-office in St. Martin's-le-Grand—that complaints had been held back—and that practice had continued for many years. He (Mr. Ducombe) was in hopes that what he had said last year would have caused some improvement, but they had only put on a few more hands, inefficient for their duty, and there had been some improvement in the salary of the sub-sorters ; but if the Post. office authorities supposed that they were satis fied, and that they were still to be oppressed, they were mis taken. The petition stated that the principal cause of delay in the delivery of letters was a private undertaking with the office, by some of the persons officially employed in it. The undertaking was called " Kelly's Post-office Directory," and he had no hesitation in saying that it was a gross job, and he was ready to prove before a Committee that this private un dertaking converted a public establishment into a sort of lucre, tive printing-office ; and so long as that undertaking remained, so long would there ho discontent in the establishment, and corruption, oppression, and tyranny, and so long would the public be injured. The petition stated that in the compilation of this Directory the earriers and sub-sorters were engaged during the time in which they should be performing their pubic duties. It would not do for the Government simply to deny his assertion, or to attempt to screen the parties, for he could prove that they were engaged in this work during the whole year round, and the servants of the Post-office were beginning to prepare the " Directory " for the year 1847. Se much were the carriers and sorters occupied that, when the pressure of public business made it necessary, the authorities sent to 130 swell-court, Chancery-lane, where this work was pre pared, to get them back to the Post-office ; and thus many letters were' delayed. A strong instance of this occurred the other day. •It was well known that this large book, for which they paid 305., came out at the commencement of the year, and there was a " Supplemental Directory," which came out in March. He knew'that on the day when this supplemental came'out it was delivered to the letter-carriers, and the letters were detained at the office half an hour for the delivery of this in the office for a attendant w wg o e rk k . anLdett;eurs4aynsd in newspapers t work. The Indian mail mid come in th at on getting tip tha t loss of the Great Liver morning. It had been delayed by the q i il e e l n li c e h a o d f I t a h m co nfusion_. poool, and came up in the Oriental, ten days after. Letters which things had been managed in that depa 4 ent„lint the. and papers were thrown on one side, as the delivery of that time had now gone by. The Hon. Member for Fi 4. rury laid, thee , ' work aid not permit their delivery. There were papers for the the names for the Post-office Directory were . .s ° ot . tril 4 essalso North and South American Coff e e-hou s e—for the Jerusal m ter-carriers. He could s ub s t an ti a t e thi ss t a t e .' a f 1' et . eifas....s7 ~, Coffee-house—for Grindley and Co., Cornhill, and various month the letter-carrier who was in the h.. of leeettigle fik - ,los °‘ others; and it appeared that all those letters were detained in at his door sent in a paper, and asked if S. lyoe s iCsbis: . oss.,: s 2 , '''....) consequence of that work, or job, whichever it was called. address? The letter-carrier might possi *sir - '4; ills' ss The letter-carriers had been threatened to be reported if they door a quarter of an hour—possibly he mr.titot s- hilt, sits; 2 :Vs did not assist in the delivery of the work, however attentive coring that he waited a quarter of an houraandousroing also , ":-• / they might have been to their public duties. He (Mr. T. that he had so waited at fifty doors before he catniete hisorlsys./ Duncombe) did not believe that the Postmaster-general nos it would make his delivery at least an hour .and e c tiA let Ar t r 3 i v acquainted with those facts. In answer to hi s ob serva ti ons F ormer ly, when he (Mr. Willi ams ) was eohn e e t t • • tvitEthd" ' it would be said that these letter-carriers collected the informa- City, he used to pay the letter-carrier an extra fee, for the por tion for the work out of official hours. He was happy to say pose of getting his letters delivered shortly after nine o'clock, that such an answer would be quite false, for the information and he observed that his neighbours who did not pay did not was collected during the delivery of the letters. They might roceive their letters till after eleven. The Hon. Member for be told that these men had an interest in collecting this infor- Finsbury had pointed out to the House the many errors which melon. They had a commission on the sale of the work—a had found admission into the Directory, but how, he (Mr. fact very discreditable to the establishment.—( Hear, hear.) Williams) would ask, could it be otherwise when this individual Let them have a fair remuneration for their labour, and let had the monopoly of it ? The public had no choice; they were them not be paid by this paltry, miserable, jobbing work. It obliged to purchase it, for every competitor had teen driven was well known that the parties who had the least possible from the field. He contended that where charges of this nature chance of anything like favour in the Post-office were those were brought against any of the officers connected with any of who could sell most of the works of Messrs. Kelly and Co. the public departments, a Committee to inquire into the truth If the letter-carriers did not collect the information required, of these charges ought to be immediately granted ; and more other men were put on in their places, and so ,such was stopped , especially when a serious charge of this character—a charge of from their week's earnings. The petitioner further stated that ; fraud—of fraud on the public stores—was made ;he could not the public stores, such as ink, paper, pens, &c., were freely i conceive on what ground her Majesty's Government could re used for the purposes of this work. What right had they to ; fuse inquiry. Even if the Right Hon. Gentleman the Under use the public stores ? And it was alto stated by the petitioner ; Secretary for the Treasury were to attempt a reply, he would that the revenue had been defrauded, by means of the sending require to depend altogether for information upon the very in out of the circulars for this work by the letter-carriers, with- dividuals who were interested in the continuance of the system. out paying the stamp duties Would the public be satisfied He would conclude by repeating that the petitioner was inca with such proceeding as this? It was a fraud on the revenue. pable of making such a charge unless he was well aware that it The petitioner also stated that Mr. Frederick Kelly had in- was perfectly true. The Hon. 11Iembei concluded by seconding strewed the letter-carriers how to evade the Hawking Act can the motion. the sale of the " Directory." The books were left at the doors The question having been put, of gentlemen, and if they were not at home the book was left. Mr. CARDWELL rose, and said that before he followed If the money was given for it, nothing further was said about the Hon. Member who had brought forward that petition into it; but if no money was forth-coming the book was removed. the details that might be expected from him, the House would He said that this was hawking. Mr. Kelly had also, on his perhaps allow him to make one or two preliminary observations. own authority, stopped the wages of letter-carriers for debts And first he would assure the Hon. Member, not only on the due to Kelly and Co. by the letter-carriers on account of this part of the Treasury, but also on the part of the Noble Lord Directory, and the petitioner also stated that he had witheld at the head of the Post-office Department, that no one among thie resignations of letter-carriers until he had paid himself for the Postmasters-General who proceeded him would be less the debts due by those carriers. He could prove cases whet e ready to scr een from exposure or from punishment any servant the res ignation of lett er - carr i ers h a d b een detained because the guilty of mal-practices than would t h e N o bl e L or d w h o at individual owed Mr. Kelly money, Mr. Kelly saying that he present filled that office.—( Ironical cheerirg from Mr. Dun would not give in the resignation until he was paid ; and th e combe. ) The Hon. M e mb e r might derisively cheer him, but letter-carrier d o i ng no work, let it berecollected. He He said that the Hon. Member when he did so leeme . d. to . forget two of the such a proceeding was a fraud on the revenue -and it was discreditable for the Government to( revenue— ( H e ar , hear) very . statements which he had made in his own speech that protect a person of this sort. There are also 150 sanc tion copiesof the ej ie en p in o g. He forgot that, while saying that the subordinates in st-office were prevented by dread of the consequences Directory sold for the use of the letter-carriers, and ' paid fir from , addressing their superiors, and while admitting that be out of the revenue, at the same time that the use of th w ork on being questioned as to the propriety of their sub was forbidden to the letter-carriers, on the ground of its occa- mitting m emorial_ to their superiors, advised them to be cau sioning loss of time to the person using them. The work was tious in do inga body of that they t o h r ey h t r o e ld e h him that they h were read f y to colt, but never used, as the looking for the address would oc- come in a boti were embodied .irucutsh.tis him petition. t f i o t i r o s n a p . eitisy so much time that orders were given that they pressing their indignation at t the y u ria n neN d gt r io e e d . f w or h t ieh e p i t t ir w po a s s e g s fe e% were not to be toed. Let the Government not come down and say, as a defence, that these volumes Finsb u ry bHenonp.eArsloeumsbteurgftboer number of two or three hundreds wer ot e hwa s tt o hw r e eady to come for- Thiswere necessary as guides for the delivery of the letters. ward for the purpose of attacking their superiors, there was no monopoly had been the means of ruining various parties who had attempted to get up Post-office Directories, and the reason why they should not instead have addressed themselves public were in consequent deprived of the benefit of competi- by a respectful memorial to the Government, or to the Noble tion. He wished to know why it was that the public were to Lord at the head of the department, stating their grievances, be deprived of the benefit of this competition ? fhe effect was and expressing their confident hope that those grievances that the public had to pay 30s. for the Post-office Directory would be redressed.—(Cheers, ironical cheers, and cries of which any bookseller in Paternoster-row could, if the same " Oh, oh.") He was not to be put down by mere cheering advantages were given them that were given Mr. Kelly, supply from the Members opposite. He would repeat that if the for 12s. 6d. It was a just ground of complaint, that the public subordinates in the Post-office had produced such a memorial, could have for I 2s. or lbs. that for which they now paid 30s. and if they had addressed it to the head of their department, —( Hear, hear.) Mr. Robson, who had attempted to publish their grievances would have been attended to. He (Mr. Card-. a Directory, had been ruined by the interference of the Post- well) had the honour of receiving scores of memorials in the office authorities; and by a return which had been made to the department to which lie had the honour to belong, and if these House, it appeared that Mr. Kelly had purchased the copyright memorials were respectfully worded, he would not dare to stand of Mr. Robson's work. Now he ( Mr. Duncombe) had before the Hon. Member and the House, if such memorials had received a letter from a fi iend of Mr. Robson, been overlooked or neglected by the particular department with which threw some light en that transaction. (The which he was connected. He would say then, and he thought Hon. Gentleman here read the letter in question, which the House would believe him, that the Government were as was to the effect, th a t M r . R o b son h a d been driven to ruin anxious as the Hon. Member to punish mal-practices of this sort, and insanity, and his property destroyed, through the undue and he could affirm that the doors of the Treasury were always influence of the Pest-office authorities, and that he had in con- open through the medium of the Post-office, and if any Hon. sequence died in a workhouse. Mr. Robson applied to the Member of that House could prove that a memorial received Post-office authorities to place him on the same footing with in that manner, had been neglected, then indeed good ground Mr. Kelly, but he did not succeed in the application, and could be shown of complaint against that department. The though he had gone to enormous expense in getting up his work, Hon. Gentleman towards the close of his speech, referred to a he was obliged to abandon it, and part with it to Mr. Kell y' subject which had afford e d m a tter for some little controversy under most disadvantages circ u m s t ances. T his letter was' between himself, and the Hon. Member at the close of the signed by Mr. Knapp. On the return to which he (Mr. last session of Parliament, namely, the early delivery. He Duncombe) had alluded, it was set forth that Mr. Kelly perhaps ought not to refer to that matter, because it formed no bought the copyright of Mr. Robson, and in the puff issued by part of the allegation in the petition. He had the honour of Mr. Kelly, it was said that Mr. Robson's Directory, in 1840, stating en a former occasion, that the payment of letter-carriers contained a number cf blunders, which he explained and by the office for the early delivery was no part of the engage pointed out. But if the House would give him (Mr. Duncombe) merit entered into by th - at department. It was held by them a Committee, he would engage to prove that in the Directory of as an ancient right, which had been continued, because a large last year there were not less than 16,000 errors. —( Hear, hear.) portion of the mercantile community received a credit from the 'lbis was in the Directory so much puffed, and which had letter-carriers, which the Post-office could not give them, and now total possession of the field. All the rival Directories had which must create a little confusion if it were at once with failed, and were given up, and this was the only Directory in drawn. That was the ground on which the early delivery was ddeeffeennddeedd asd uarcinognvetteienlcaset to ses t s h i e on po o s f t- P o s ffi r e li e am su e b n o t r . din l a t t w es as , b n u o t t present system, it being impossible to compete against Mr. London—of course the only one that could exist under the f e u n r i e i t 7 r i c u e s b t u o r y t the u i m d e p r c r he produce n u e t s e in au L i o n n t d t a o !I n e . e l e f f t a t: l e y H g e o n s) .. . at the dissatisfaction that prevailed among Kelly, with the Post-office servants at his back, to assist him , . it s- s e a Tme n r y In the mean time the public were suffering. But let them look tleman living up three p a i r o f sta i rs, i n Chancery-lane, whose the servants of the letters had been detai ne d tili a later period of the d a y, w hil e establishment From 400 to 500 individuals there were almost his neighbours . upon the first and second floors had been deli in a state of insubordination, arising from the duties imposed vered in the morning (because they were included in the early on them in reference to this Directory. That alone was a delivery) Air if the Hon. Member . would produce such a case. fact that should show the dangerous state of the establishment. , DUNCOMBE—Give me the Committee, and I will He had had several deputations of the men waiting on him, in reference to this matter, within the last fortnight ; and they " so.° Mr CARDWELL said that the Hon. Member seemed to intimated that any morning they could bring 200 or . ' infer that he asked him to withdraw his motion for a Commit -300 of them to wait on him (Mr. Duncombe) to prove tee. The Hon. Member had quite mistaken him if he enter-, the state of feeling in the establishment.—( A laugh.) This. !amed this idea for a moment. All he meant to say was, that was a bad, a dangerous, and improper state of things. He had received a letter that morning, in reference to an alledged if any gentleman had felt himself aggrieved by the system at improvement of feeling that had recently taken place among present pursued by the Post-office, it would give as little trots the sub-sorters. It was represented that a memorial had been b_l ost- office, an d h e (M r. C ar d well) would undertake to sap to send a l et t er to t h e T reasury, or to the authorities at the got up among the sub-sorters to the Lords of the Treasury, r expressing thanks at the improvement made in their remu- that the r e p resen t a ti ons f rom suc h a l etter would b e attended neration, and declaring that they had no parti ipation in the to. Hear, h ear .) H e wou ld not stand there an d say that calumnious placards and statements that had been put forth in such a case as that instanced by the Hon. Member for Fins.. reference to the management of affairs in the Post-office. Now bury had never existed ; but he would say with confidence, the letter he had received gave the true particulars of this, and that the superior officers of the .Government were always open denied that this step was taken by any member of the sub- to receive any communications, and ever ready to put a period to stub mal-practices as those alluded to by the lion. Member. after sorterit was s, but t got up hat it w it as was sent r by ound only for a fsignatures, few when days He (Mr. Cardwell) could not under s ta n d how any one could after the strongest representations 25 signed out of 70. This rise in that Ilouse to answer matters of which they had had no very much excited Mr. Robert Kelly, and a sub•sorter of previous notice, otherwise than as he had done—natuelo,, by the nsme of Roberts, was charged, in consequence, with stating that the Government would be always found anxious to terminate such abus es . N ow , h av i ng so f ar disruosed of the some mal-practice. It was proved, however, that R o b er t s was not guilty of the charge, though at the time Mr. Betonell, one early delivery, he would venture to turn to that whieh formed of the officers of the establishment, threatened to kick ten or the grae'emen of the Hon. Member's chargo—namely, the a dozen of them out •of it.—(Hear, hear.) Nothing would " Post-office Directory." He would explain what this "Di give satisfaction but the app ointment of a Committee of in- rectory" was, and than give a short sketch of its history. vestigation. There were many other subjects in relation to this Having dune so, he would proceed to meet the charges of the topic that might be referred to, and a good deal might be said Hon. Member. The fact was that the metropolis was divided in the way of remedy. A great deal might be done in the into a great number of wards for letter-carriers, and the House latter respect if they did away with the whole system of fees would readily admit, that an absolute necessity existed for the for early delivery. According to this system, a letter-carrier Post-office authorities having correct information of the names. went on to the establishment at 20s. a week ; then he was in- of persons whom the letter-carriers would have to serve. ' s ic creased to 235. ; and, in the course of a few years, he was re- would ask, how was this information to be collected, esscept duced to I4s , the salary to be made up by the fees arising from ing by each letter-carrier within his own district? It so hap-- early delivery. Now, he knew that in some districts nened, and he had no doubt it would be made a fee:cure in the the system of early delivery was done away with ; - debate, that the forms used in the Post-office had a heading, " still it remained intact in many others, and th ose The Post-office Directory." Of course it was not esse n ti a l parties who could not give security for the early de- to the business of the Post-office, that there should be such a livery of letters had to su mit to a reduced salary of 14s.— heading to the forms, but it was absolutely necessary, he con (Hear, hear.) They ought to consolidat e th e genera l an d tended, that the names should he so coll ec t e d b y the letter.- district departments of the establishment, so as to make but carriers. There were certain officers in the Post-office, closig••• one department • and as they had the power to use any of nated check-takers, and there were twenty letter-carriers under the trains on the railways for the carrying of letters, they each check-taker, The check-taker had to hand over to could bring them as often as they might think fit, and they his superior the number of names handed in by could be delivered with what was now called the district de- each letter-carrier—that superior filling the same situation livery, at the same time taking care that due remuneration which Mr. Kelly now held. This was information which musg was paid the deliverers, with a gradually increasing scale for be collected as it was now, unless they wished to destroy the service for the years employed. The letter-carriers ought also existence of the " Post-office Directory" altogether. He in due course to be allowed to take the sub-sorters' place. would now, with the permission of the House, proceed very The whole thing should be placed on a better footing ; and if shortly to trace the history of the publication which had been a Committee were given him, and practical men—not men so often referred to. A Mr. Sparkes, who held a situation in interested in the prevalent abuses—examined, he had no the Post-office, thought that hi he was in possession of information t doubt a plan by which the system could be remedied might o wch others could not lay claim, namely, the names of those who were at that time in business in London. This was be suggested. The early delivery, in his opinion, ought to be done away with. The Post-office was established for the be. was some century ago, and Mr. Sparkes applied to the Post-. nefit of the general public, and not for a small party.—( Hear, master-General of that day for pe rm i ss i on t o pu bli s h a hear.) One system should be made to work the same for all. Directory, which was granted. Mr. Crichett succeeded to He knew of a casein which a carrier took up the late and early Mr. Sparkes, and the work was published under the authority delivery at the same time, going up the street, of the Postmaster-General, and so continued until the year delivering the early letters for the privileged parties, 1836, when Mr. Critchett died, and Mr. Kelly succeeded to and delivering the late letters as he came down. the office which he now held. Mr. Kelly wished to continue He would go up in the same house in Chancery-lane and de- the publication of the Directory, but Lord Litchfield, who liver the early letters on the first and second floors, and though was then at the head of the department, thought it right to he had the letters of the party who was on the third floor, consult the Solicitor-General upon the matter, as there were because he happened to be a late delivery man, the letter- some arrangements to be entered into between the widow of carrier would cary off his letters at a later part of the day Mr. Critchett and his successor. After consulting with the when he came down the street. Now, this proceeding, in- legal officer of the Crown, an arrangement was entered into by dependent of its injustice, was against Act of Parliament, whieh Mr. Kelly paid a sum of money to the widow of Mr. and ought not to be allowed. But the great complaint, above Critchett, and so stood in the position in which that gentleman all others, and that which required investigation, was, that as was placed in regard to the Directory. That art angement this was a public department of the Government it ought not having been effected, a very great amount of expense was in to be used for the private interest of parties. In the returns curred in the publication. The name of Mr. Robson had been for which he (Mr. Duncombe) had moved, setting forth the mentioned in connexion with the work, and some severe anim emolument and salaries of officers of the establishment, the sa- adveraions had been made against Mr. Kelly in respect of Mr. lary of Mr. Kelly was put down at 320/. a-year , and in that Robson's death, from the pressure of distress. He (""i Card` , return Mr. Kelly said that on his appointment, in 1836, he well) was not aware that Mr. Kelly had been th s ti i 27l ts; „ , btob purchased the copyright of the Post-office Directory, in which that bad been as far back . s__ he had embarked a large private property, and in publishing which he had been supported by official resources. Mr. time a Committee se i s; o f st-o th ffi 's oe. a Ho m use th ' e had last sat on the s ubject of f n Hon. Member had moved for certain Kelly said that the total difference in the expenditure and re ofturns P ar l ia m e nt r elative to that department, and in these returns cer ceipts of the Directory in 1844 was 1,2761; 4s. 7d, ; he did not fain re sums of mon ey had been entered by Mr. Kelly, as the say whether profit or loss, but he merely mentioned sums received by him as the produce of the Directory. The 1,276 L That statement Mr. Dineen was prepared to prove was untrue, and that the profits of the Directory was not les s correctness of that sum had been questioned, ho wever , b y t h e than 10,0001. a year. If they granted him ( Mr. Du ncombe) Hon. Member for Finsbury, who stated that he w as p repare d to the Committee, he would prove that instead of 1, 2761. Mr. p rove th a t a muc h larger s um had been received. H e (M r. Kelly received from 12 , 000 /. to 15,000 . 1 . a year. This sum Cardwell) had institut e d i nqu i r i es i nto the subject, and from, was received; by Mr. Kelly, or certain parties connected with the information furnished by M r. B ec k enham and others him on the establishment. This was no error , but a wilful and was perrectly satisfied th a t t h e correct sum had been returned, 'h e deliberate fraud to mislead this House and the publi c , an d an d h e did not t hi n k t h at that sum was in any degree too large if they shielded the delinquency, there was no u se whatever in cons id er i ng the capital embarked, the amount of labour moving for returns on any subject. He did not see, on required, and allowing a fair remuneration to the publisher. sideration of honor or interests of the public, hadho.Now there was one other circumstance to which he would call. avoid granting the Committee after what hesawid. they lf eeo lt ou l nl r d- . the attention of the House, but to which he would only shortly Kelly was called to the bar and examined, he (Mr. Duncombe) advert, The Hon. Member for Finsbury, said that the delay was i was prepared to prove thi s . Wh at use there in aski ng f or n the post delivery, was to be mainly ascribed to the employ returns if sach retur ns as th ese were made, The other night ment of letter -earriCrs'in obtaining information for the Directory. an error in the tariff was attributed to Mr. M'Gregor, and it The Hon. Gentleman had said the publication of the Di was urged that a Committee of Inquiry should be granted, rectory delayed the delivery of the public letters. Certainly but it Was found that the matter was a typographical no such delay ought to take place ; and he, for one, believed it error, and the matter was dropped- if returns did not. The Hon. Gentleman, however mentioned a parti were to be cons id er ed merely waste paper, let them say cular case where delay had occurred • but the Hon. Gentle so, and he would not take any trouble in asking for them, but man was wrong in his prediction of the cause of the delay. if they intended to act fairly and justly in this department of The Hon. Gentleman complained that the publication of the the public service, they ought to grant him what he sought. last Directory occasioned a delay of ten days in the deli- The great malepractices and abuses which exi s t e d oug ht t o h e very of the letters which came part of the way from India, remedied, or at least inquired into. The statement he had by the Great Liverpool, but he (Mr. Caldwell) suggested to submitted showed that tyranny, injustice, and oppression pre- the Hon. Member whether it was not quite impossible this veiled, producing a state of great dissatisfaction, endangering mild be so. The Postmaster-General and his secretary were the commercial interests of the country. What state would open to all parties who had grievances of this nature to com this great commercial town be placed in if no letters were de- plain of, and he was quite confident if any such delay had livered far one day; and thatsuoh a step had been contemplated, taken place there would have been no lack of remonstrances and might yet be taken if such tyranny and injustice continued; from the influential parties in the City, who were in the habit he was persuaded from information which he had received. This of receiving letters by the Indian mail. He happened to be all arose out of what he. designated a gross job, for such he acquainted with the circumstances of this partieular case of considered the " Pest-office Directory" to be. The whole delay, and if the Hon. Gentleman would permit tuna to do place ought to lie placed on a new footing, and if the Com- so, he would tell him what really did occur. The . it took the mittee %stitch he sought was appointed, he had no doubt some the letters of the Great Liverpool were so wet t plan would come out of it which would satisfy the public, and servants of the Post-office a very considera o h d le b t' ha e t, be admitted that satisfy all parties concerned therein.—( Hear, hear.) The carefully separating and sorting them ; and as ten days, did Honourable Gentleman concluded by moving for a " Select some delay, though by no means so mu chor ' indeed, in Committee to inquire into the allegations of the petition of Mr. take place before they were ready l _ f Jonathan Duncan, on the mal-administration of affairs in the explanation had been given e was not aware that General Post-office." in the matter, himself a I pa d r e ti l e iv s ery in . tere T st h e i d s Mr. WILLIAMS rose to second the motion. He knew the any one of them had and h isnolou same r es alight into after expressedHon.Gentleman, after expressing his dissatisfied with it.— gentleman whose name was appended to the petition on which (Hear, ha - .) y et ght change the Hon. Member for Finsbury had founded his motion, and regret that this silabljltecesteshsaiedur rettubaereknedfutibl he believed him to be a person of the highest honour, and the mace in on the very morning of the day when it was quite incapable of making any statement which he did not think had dt:.accrisniaadn of the situation of the sub-sorters, whose sala he was folly able to substantiate. A charge had been brough ries were r ais ed w ould bring forward his motion. But h e (M r . forward by his Hon. Friend, into which this House could not thought lee refuse an inquiry. It they did otherwise, they proclaimed to C ar dwell) assured the Hon. Gentleman that the Board of the country that public servants were justified by Government T r easury, in taking this step , were in no degree influenced by in the commission of a fraud on public property. There was the anticipated motion of the Hon. Member. A no th er o f th e a charge that pubhc property had been used for Hon. Gentleman's complaints w as , the private that the communications interests of this individual, and he (Mr. Williams) said that were made to Mr. Kelly by the deliverers in official hours; b y a gentle- and the Hon. Gentleman wh secondedthe motion followed o Such a charge as this could not be made, especially . collecting the required information the Hon. Member occasioned considerable delay in the delivery of let forman who w a s so en titled to be heard as the petitioner, and this up, by declaring that when that petitition, too, was presente d by Both Honourable Gentle m en, h o wev er, were perhaps 's Finsbury, who could always command . the attention of the tors. ible to carry on the House, without the Government's acceding to the motion. He unaware of the fact that, whether Mr. Kelly Directory officers collecting the ( \lr. Williams) believed that .there was no department con- were published or not, it would be impos . business of the Post-office without its netted with the Government that required more looking after than the Post-office. There had been a time, indeed, when i n f ormat i on wh i ch i t con t a ined.—(Hear, hear.) Another the Post-office had been looked up to for the correctness with statement made in the petition, and one which had some colour