The Sun. — London, England, 1852-05-29 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, May 28. The Royal Assent was given this afternoon, by Com mission, to the following Bills: Property-Tax Continuance. Copyright Amendment. Linen, &e., Manufactures (Ireland). Poor Relief Act Continuance. Loan Societies. Repayment of Advances Acts (Ireland) Amendment. Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction. Stock in Trade. Highway Rates. Barnsley Gas. Bristol and Exeter Railway (Yeovil Branch). Macclesfield Improvement. Great Munster Fair. Skiptou and Craco R ?ad. Portea Gas. Derby Gas. Stockton Extension and Improvement. Vale of Neath Railway. Berustaple Markets and Fairs. Medina River Navigation. • Lock woo:I and 24.10 , ...ern Road. Stockton and Darlir.7ton Grea: Southern mid Western Railway (Ireland). Belfast Gas. Rhyl Impr,, , rnv!nt. Droitwich Junction Canal. Sunderland Waterwork Tnetford Fen District Drainage. E astern Counties Railway (Branch to the River Nene, 8.;?..) Cheshire Constabulary. Eastern Countils Railway (Junction with the East and West India Docks, &o.) Glasgow Union Arcade. Ilkley Waterworks. Norfolk Railway. Cork and Bandon Railway. York, Newcastle. and Berwick Railway (Thirsk and Mahon Branch). York, Newcastle, and Berwick, and Milton and Driffield Junction Railways. London and Southampton Road through Bishop's Waltham. Bury (Sussex) Road. Retford and Li t tie b orough Road. Dundalk and Enniskillen Railway. Dudley Waterworks. Aberdare Market and Slaughter•hoasea. Deptford Gas. Londonderry and Coleraine Railway. Londonderry and Enni&killen Railway. British Empire Mutual Life Assurance Company. rotthdiullaen and Naothwynant Reads. Eastern Counties and Newmarket and Chesterford Railway Companies. Liverpool Corporation Waterworks. Forth and Clyde Navigition. Glamford Briggs Waterworks. Sheffield Bridges and Streets. Cheltenham Improvement and Health. Aberdeen Fire and Life Assurance Company. Accidental Death Insurance and Rsilway Assurance Companies Amalgamation. Southam to Kinetou Road. Romsey, Broughton, Stockbridge, and Wallop Roads. York and North Midland and Esst and West Yorkshire Junction Railways. Dumfries and Maxwelltown Waterworks. EOM Bridge and Roads. Bedford and Kimbolton R3ad. D.-eside Railway. liimbart's Estate. Bradford Piece Halls. Manchester House of RPeovery. The Lords Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Lonsdale, and the Marquis of Salisbury. The LORD CRANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'clock. Th 9 Earl of & ALLO WAY presented several petitions against the Maynooth grant.. The Masters in Chancery Abolition Bill was read a third time and passed. MR MATHER. Earl FITZ WILLIAM pat a question to the Nob'e Lord at the head of the Foreign•offi'm relative to the case of Mr. Mather, the English gentleman insulted at Florence, and the damages awarded to him by the Tuscan Government. The Earl of MALMESBUBY said that the amount of damages awarded to Mr. blither was not so great as Mr. Scarlett had been directed by her Majesty's Govern ment to claim, but they were of such an amount as was considered equivalent to those which would have been swlrcled by an English court. Her Majesty's Government certainly bad not considered that that sum would be sufficient to compensate Mr. Mather for the injuries which ho had suff.-red; but he had r.o doubt that it would be found that Mr. Scar!ett had acted in the most judicious manner by accepting the sum of 2401. which was awarded, especially as the Grand Duke joined with that the concession of releasing two English gentlemen who had been for some time impri aonr3d at Florence. Lord CAMPBELL bore testimony to the very great ability and skill with which Mr. Scarlett, who though only Secretary of Legation, had for the last six years fulfilled the duties of Amba7,sador at the Court of Flo rence, at times most arduous and delicate in their nature. After a few words from the Earl of ABERDEEN and the Earl of MALMESBURY, who both expressed their great approbation of the manner in which Mr. Scarlett heal always carried on the duties with which ho had beta er,trusted, the snbjact dropp , A. QUARANTINE REGULATIONS. __ Earl ST. GERMANS mov d for copies of all oorre spendence relating to the Sanitary Conference lately held at Pens. The Noble Earl proceeded at some length to enter into the history of quarantime, wbich he said had first been instituted at Venice, and had not been intro duced into this country her we 1720. With regard to this conference, he believed the result of it had been the expression of an opinion that the regulations were injuri ous to the interests of humanity and of commerce. Think ing that the subject was one which reqaired the immediate attention of Pailitm , ent and of the Government, with that view he desired to see all tire information upon the subject laid upon the table of the House. The Earl of SHA.FTESBURY agreed that this was a subject of the greatest importance to the commercial interests, as the loss which was caused by these quaran tine regulations was enormous in a commercial point of view. He believed that the result of this conference would be to abolish many of the most injurious regula tions, and to equalize and assimnlate the rules of every port. . The Earl of MALMESBURY said that her Majesty's Government were fully c-gn;zsnt of the great importance of amending the quarantine regulations of Eu rope, but the subject was one of great difficulty. The Government had no objection to grant these papers, although as there was nm being negotiated a conven tion on this sul ject between France and this country— a fact of which the Noble Lords might not be aware— it might be rather unusual to produce the correspondence before the affair was concluded. Earl ST. GERMANS said that he would not now press for the mere, if it was incauvenient to produce them, and the subject dropp-d. TUE BARONESS VON BECK. Lord BEAIJ26ONT, in rising to present a petition hotn Constant Derma de Mirodl, observed that the peti tioner was a native of Pestja, in Hungary, and that shortly I ncr . arriving in this country he became acquainted with a lady, who had b)rno the name of Baroness Von '''' it, and who had become known as the authoress of a work That w el l. n "raling certain events in the .Uungarian war. prevailed on txtretnely successful, and the publishers the ,„ ve n th e lady to write another. She engaged r - 11, 1011er Hungary, 1,,, '‘hc), it seamed, was of a good family in and a presete,_ in needy circumstanc es, as her secretary, peeta3 was r pr ' in a t s e lvas drawn up of the work. That pros- Baroli and letters of introduction were fur nished to the . . tss Von Beck and the petitioner for presentat'oe in Lotio n h the country having be en a rtennmended for the purpose of obtaining suloseri- to relate the wall- known a• The Noble Lord then went on oa circumstances attending the arrest of the Barone: w e:7. l at the house of M r Tindal, in Birmingham Beck, obtained a sum of 11. 4s: 4a ? e a r a charge of having false pretences; and proceeded to animadvert tir ,,,, l n the conduct of the magistrate and the- parties w i r , v. ozec the.uteci on the ender r ld hav e b een i ssue d' a summons, and no t a warrant, occasion. He con tended that, circumstances that the by the magistrate, and criminal matter sh ou ld h ave b een treated as a civil an d not as a , proceeding. It was said there was something Wr at‘a av was ain,;a Mr Pulsky in the poor lady's former boo 's , but that . a reason for civil proceedings at his suit __(ilean beer). The whole a ff a i r was so mo nstrous that hb !audit, knew• wh.l , her moat t o c ondemn the p arties who h ad , instruct e d Mr. Toulmin Smith, the barrister who had conducted the prosecution or the barrister himself for the m anner in which he had done; o r the magis trate who h ad iss ue d ae the warrant, or the officers who had executed i t So b ire_ barously.—(llearhear.) He real l y ho p ed some iugairy would be instituted into the case, a nd some means tak eu to make magistrates see that such alines could not be permitted to pass with impunity.--(11"4 hear.) If pro. vincial magistrat es were so ignorant of their du t y it was high time measur es should be taken to restrain them. It was most dangerous that large discretionary powers should remain in the hands of men so ill-qualified to ex ercise them.—(Elear, hear.) • And if the course which had been pursued in this instance was usual, it was imperative on the Legislature to interpose, and, by Act of Parliament, limit ant define the powers of magistrates in issuing warrants.—(Hear, hear.) The petitioner had taken legal proceedings against the par ties, which were now pending; and into his case he (Lord Beaumont) did not propose further to enter than by stating that the petitioner set forth the proceedings at full length; the information on oath; the warrant; the depositions taken on the hearing; and the decision of the justices. The petition concluded by representing that the proceedings had been harsh, cruel, and unjusti fiable by law, and prayed that an inquiry might be made into the circumstances and into the conduct of the jus tices, especially as to their right to hand over the papers of the deceased lady to the prosecutors, after she and the petitioners had been acquitted of every offence— (Clear)—by which evidence, whichwould h esta blished her ..... The . . o erecter, was suppressed.—(Hear, hear.) petition particularly prayed that prey precautions might be taken to prevent being oirn.hi _ d t other unprotected foreigners from ... 4, • --e Ne le "‘‘1.,..i. o similar arbitrary arrests—Wear)--and 0 .. aga—s• tee discretionary issue e h ' ' event, agalst .their ary lof warrants, or, at all being executed in such a manner as -,---- - ' in (ha " press " - , ~.. fh P tr In 't 4 llee—at the dead of the nieht— • -- •fe tbe-ca:e of ck lady i n . 1 ., night—even ' ' Mail , ". - -- ' :power of de I. health, and deprived of all .g benchf from the accusations brought - -1, -, ' • • Der,f th eigainst Ag e e° purpose ee ef • . area ying the malice of --• v: ,--- ' ter enetnks by , obtainine.„ Icor jp,, — , '' ' - ---.-- " - Ti of SALISBURY --v cii,.v-: _Tht-M .... areg '"•• ‘-- Inieu roug,he before him Some week orary arrest. ;:aid the matter had s ago, and then, as . 1430 . 11 p thOght it a very lame 301. Y. The Noble Baron had not stated the depositions on which the warrant had been issued, and on which everything depended so far as the magistrate was concerned, who might have acted quite properly, perceiving that the party making the in formation on oath had sworn positively to the charge of false pretences, in which supposition the proceeding, at least on the part of the magistrate, would have been re gular and proper. He could not say how far this was or was not so, but as the matter at present stood, their Lordships hardly had materials for pronouncing any censure upon the magistrate, whatever might be the case as to other parties—(Hear) —and as to them an action was now pending, so that he submitted it would be im proper for their Lordships to enter into the inquiry until the action was decided, the result of which would, he doubted not, be to show that in any case in which a wrong had been p e rpetrated, the law of this country was adequate to give ample reparation to the injured party.—(Hear.) The Earl of ABERDEEN said he really was asto nished to hear the language of the Noble Marquis the Lord Privy Seal, who called this " a lame story."— (Hear, hear.) A lame story! Why, he had never heard one more completely established, or more painful in its character.—(Hear, hear) It was hardly credible that such a case should have occurred in this country. —(bear, hear.) Oa one occasion a Nobl© Lord had observed of some case that it was only in Madagascar it could be conceived to have occurred, bat the case before their Lordships seemed to be of sueh a character as could scarcely be credited of any country, however cruel or uncivilised!—(Hear, hear.) What were the facts so far as they were undenied, and related not to the peti tioner but to the deceased lady? That a female, a foreigner, in bad health, was arrested in a barbarous manner at night, and dragged to a prison on a charge of obtaining money under false pretences—a charge which turned out to be totally false, for the magistrates entirely acquitted her.—(Hear.) What false pretences could there have been? The lady had represented that she proposed to write a work. Well, she had written one already, and was no doubt about to write another, and the money was received as subscriptions for it, and the subscribers would have received the book when published—what false pretence was there in this representation?—(Hear, hear.) How could any person who had subscribed his money upon this representation, pretend that he had been defrauded of it under false pretences?—(Hear, hear.) As to the lady's title of baroness—if their Lordships were to decide whether all the barons or baronesses were entitled to bear such rank, many persons might have to relinquish them.—(Hear.) But:really this had nothing whatever to do with the question.—(Hear.) Here was a poor lady in ill health, dragged out of the house at the dead of night, on such a false accusation as this, locked up in prison all night, and then dragged before a police-court—until, under excitement, she sank down dead!—(Hear.) Surely no person of any human feeling could hear these plain facts without sensations of horror.—(Hear.) It was shocking to see that such things as these could happen in a coun try such as this—which boasted its equal justice and its fair laws.—(Hear.) And then, when the person who had gone down to prosecute this poor helpless woman— the real reason being some offence given to certain of her countrymen in her former publication—(Hear)— when this lawyer who prosecuted made the demand, the magistrates—while her corpse was lying before them— made an order for delivery of the papers to the prose cutors—(Herr)--to obtain which was possibly the main motive of the prosecution.—(Hear, hear.) It was a very good thing that such a monstrous case should have been brought forward to be stigmatised as it deserved.— (Hear, hear.) And he hoped an inquiry would be instituted into the conduct of the magistrates who had acted or allowed others to act with such illegality and inhumanity.—(Hear.) The LORD CHANCELLOR said, if the party com plaining had applied to the Noble and Learned Lord who had occupied his office at the time, the magistrate would have been called on for an explanation, and if his conduct were considered culpable, he must have been visited with a supersedas, having first, however, been fairly heard in his defence.— (Hear, hear.) The proper authority, the Chancellor, did not appear to have been appealed to.—(Hear, hear.) This was to be lamented, fur, in common with all who had heard of the case, he bad been very much shocked at it.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") He could nut conceive it was true, it was so shocking.—(Hear, hear.) The question was,how far the proceedings were culpable. The petition im peached all parties concerned—the councel, the magis trate, the offieers, the prosecutors. An action, however, was actually pending on the part of the petitioner. Their Lordships could not at present proceed with the inquiry prayed for.—(Hear, hear.) On the face of the matter undoubtedly there had been unjustifiable pro ceeding.—(Elear, hear.) Even if the poor lady bad to some way acted improperly, it was impossible to vindi cate the course which had been tsdopted.—(Hear, hear.) The practical question was, who was the party respon sible and culpable? Probably, not the magistrate, who perhaps acted on information given on oath—some per son swearing positively to the lady's guilt.—(Hear, hear.) Unquestionably a magistrate ought not to grant a warrant without great consideration—(Hear, hear) — and the magistrate ought to take care not to be imposed upon—(Hear, hoar ) — especially ought he to be cau tious how he 'allowed a warrant to be exe cuted at night—(Hear, hear)—as in this in stance, in which (though the magistrate might not be responsible for the manner of executing the warrant) the poor lady had been dragged from the very hearth stone of a friend. He could not say that the case was not one which should have been brought before their Lordship, who were bound to protect the lowest of" their fellow-subjects from the undue exercise of magis terial authority; at the same time, it must be borne in mind that there was an action pending, and it would not be proper to prejudice its issue by any investigation in that House.—(Elear, hear.) The Earl of CARLISLE concurred in the feeling of sa , isfaction that the case should have been brought for ward.—(gear, hear.) And he could not avoid ex pressing his indignation that such a case should have occurred.—(Hear, hear.) The remark of the Noble and Learned Lord, that an action was pending, appli e d on l y to the petitioner, and not to the poor lady whose life had been sacrificed, and who was now beyond the reach of huma n v i o l e nc e and inhumanity. — (Hear, he ar .) A s a female, as a foreigner, as an invalid, and as a guest, ahe had been treated with brutality and injustice— (Hear, hear)—and not only with brutality as a female, out with tr eac h er y as a guest.—(Hear, hear.) He could not help alluding to the conduct of the magistrate in ordering to be delivered up to the prosecutors on a charge dismissed as untenable the papers of one of the parties accused, who was actually dead.—(Hear, hear.) file poor woman, ono of the pales, having expired be fore the case was heard, so that against her of course no charge could have been substantiated; and the other— the petitioner—having been acquitted.—(aar, hear.) Ho could not but say—without going further into the race—that (with respect to the retention of the papers particularly) the ordinary course of justice had been culpably departed from.—(Hear.) The Duke of NORTHUMBERLAND said he was sure all of their Lordships had felt shocked at the case, but he submitted that the fact of a suit being p en di ng should prevent its being at present inquired into or dis cussed. The Earl of ELLESMERE said he felt indebted to the Noble Baron who hid brough this case before their Lordships.—(Hear, hear.) He felt not only pity for the fate of the poor lady who had lost her life, but commise ration for the simplicity of the magistrates who had al lowed themselves to be made dupes and instruments for the pi rversioa and prostitution of our law to the purposes of private malice.—(Hear,_ hear.) Th a t was t h e r e a l history of this case.—(l-lear, hear.) Suppose the Foreign Secretary had allowed a British in Austria or Tuscany to ba treated as this neer lady had been, he would have been baited with questions, and vestry agitators would have lived upon him fur a week. —(Hear, and a laugh.) The unhappy lady had been amused of assuming a titlo sho was not exactly entitled to; but, if the pretensions of all parties who assumed titles were examined into, many would not be safe.— (Hear, hear.) There had been an itinerant orator pro fessing to be " Governor of Hungary," whereas some alleged that he had voluntarily abdicated that office, and had no right to the title, either in fact or right.—(Hear.) If that person had been arrested at night, and dragged to a prison and kept in confinement until the morning, and then brought before a Tory mcgistrate, what an outcry would have been excited. Yet what was done in the present case was worse than this,—(Haar, hear.) He would not enter further into the subject, in dt2ference to the appeal of his Noble and Learned Friend the Lord Chancellor—not with much respect for the opinion of the Noble Marquis the Lord Privy Seal, who really seemed to think there was nothing irregular in the case. Lord BEAUMONT begged to say, with reference to the observations of the Noble Marquis, that all the de poSitions were incorporated into the petition; all the pro ceedings before the magistrates at the hearing of the case when they dismissed the charge, so that their Lord ships had all the materials necessary to form a fair judg ment on the case. The matter, indeed, had been decided by the magistrates, who had acquitted and discharged the petitioner. As respected the petitioner, he did not desire their Lordships at present to interpose, an action being pending; but as to the poor lady who was dead, and had been so ill treated, what remedy could be had a p t re l j iv:—(Elear, hear.) If, as the Lord Privy Seal seemed to think, all this was only the regular course of law, e the sooner such law was altered the better for the tlet r ry and its character.--(Hcar, hear.) LP a CAMPBELL said such cases ought not to be nal infer eetrfecially while an action was pending. If the e endoot he wouldthe magistrate had been culpable a crirni be 9n could . be obtained against him, and then heard in his defence. sey he thou The Earl of thought the was understood to the case a serious one, and deserved n ot dispute this, indebted to inquiry. The Merqui e of s B . U t. RY explained that he did similar case that at present it was imposst etthee upon the of e l j ekeonduct of the magistrate. to It h ICARDE said that their e Noble Baron who had tnem.---(Hear, hear.) Now broughtLb loeTrdthsehPiralp°tshilaawrqsouruebisii,cedt case should ever occur, it he hoped that if any 41 fallacious to the same way.— Hear.) the partite say that there was a le ( al i w t e a u p ld pe b a e re tro_u_e ht . forward re medy available to partio, for an t. al aceen could not ar oseurtiothuast troll-es:3a was. afford reparation to the poor lady ; and a to . . iminal information, who was to run the risk of i settin a e cr the la in motion? The very fact, h ewe'icr, that the L'ord Chief 'w of a criminal inf r place in August last, and since What provi sion to prevent a Justicesmioaation had, had pr obveetdn pointed bino recurrence of su h u tra e t s? tim T e appear that the authorities had to apply acted. Was the case to be passed over without any at temptisaatee might not be responsible a reme dy or ,to afford redress?—(Hear, ly m di a d tte n r o t t oek hear.) Surely t h e magistrates must have seen it was only a case for a summons. —(gear, hear.) they were re- And though the mug siporlutshibei formanner the o e f h ar o ts r executingofthtehwearjffianate,rB whom they retained in their employment to execute these warrants. --(Hear, hear.) In such cases it was often not practic able to set in motion the processes of the law for the purpose of obtaining redress ; and their Lordships should institute an inquiry, as the authorities had not thought proper to take the matter up at all. The Earl of DERBY said the Noble Marquis seemed to think there had been a gross act of oppression, and that there had been neglect on the part of the autho rities in not inquiring into it. But the Noble Marquis and the Noble Earl (Carlisle) were Cabinet Ministers at the time—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear")—and sitting by their side was their colleague the late Lord Chan cellor, who was of course peculiarly responsible for the conduct of the magistrates, and who had allowed six months to pass before he left office without instituting any inquiry into the case.—(Hear.) Probably the Noble and Learned Lord (Lord Truro) did not deem it neces sary to do so, nor his Right Hon. Friend the late Se cretary for the Home Department, or it must be pre sumed that they would have done so. At all events the Noble and Learned Lord and the Right Honourable Gentleman were the parties responsible for the delay of inquiry.—(Elear, hear.) And it was most extraordi nary that the Noble Marquis should complain that in puiry had not been instituted, when his own colleagues had ben the parties to institute it.—(Hear, hear.) The Marquis of CLANRICARDE explained that he had not imputed blame to any parties; indeed, he had always imagined that inquiry would be instituted, and had he still been in office he should have expressed the same opinion as he had now. The Earl of CARLISLE also wished to state that he imputed no blame to any party now or then in office, and the only persons he found fault with were the ma gistrates who acted in the illegal manner that had been represented. Lord TRURO (who spoke with his back to the gal lery, and was consequently imperfectly heard) said he had the honour to hold the great seals at the time these transactions occurred, and in attending to a variety of other matters he had not given much time to it, and had not heard the facts stated till they were detailed in the House that night. If the •ase had been brought officially under his notice, as a matter of course he would have noticed it; and if not, he would have been deserving of the severest censure. Bat it was not in the power of the Lord Chancellor or the Secretary of State for the Home Department to watch all that occurred in the newspapers. He could not understand upon what grounds the magistrate had been supposed open to the very severe censure that had been poured upon him, and which no doubt would be fully and eloquently detailed to the jury when the case was brought before it. If all these facts had been true, and that the parties were open to such public reproba tion, he could not understand why the petitioner had not appealed to the Lord Chancellor or the :Secretary of State for the Home Department. He confessed he saw nothing in the case to lead him to suppose that the magistrate had not good grounds for what he did; nor was there anything to show he was aware of the critical position in which the unfortunate lady was at the time the warrant was.issued. All he bad to say was, that it could not be charged against the constituted authorities, the Lord Chancellor or the Secre tary of State that they had not interfered before the matter was brought before them in some shape or other —that would be both impracticable and inconvenient. He would be quite ready to concur in the condemnation that had been pronounced against the magistrate if the case had been proved, but he objected to condemnation before the facts had been proved, and he must protest against the House receiving ex parte complaints against the constituted authorities. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said on account of the legal proceedings that had been instituted and their subsequent postponement, it was impossible for any complaint to have been made, or th© authorities to have taken notice of it. The Duke of ARGYLL said one of the most serious charges against the magistrate was the delivering over the papers of this unfortunate person to the opposite party. The papers were given to Mr. Toulmin Smith, and, so far as he could understand, were still in his possession. Lord TRURO supposed these papers had been im pounded in order to be produced before the grand jury. Lord BEAUMONT said the papers were not im pounded, but handed over to the prosecutor. That was the information he had received. He begged to ask whether it was the intention of the Noble Earl (Derby) to recommend to the Secretary of State for the Home Department to make inquiries in order to procure the information that had been laid before the magistrate, Mr. James, on which he had issued his warrant, and on which it had been served and executed? The Earl of DERBY--I have no intention of taking any steps in the matter, and I do not intend to recom mend to the Secretary of State to do so. When the case is properly brought before him, I have no doubt he will do what is right, consistently with his public duty, bat it is not my intention to take any steps in the matter. Lord BEAUMONT—Then I shall make a specific motion to bring the inquiry before your Lordships' House.—(Hear, hear.) The Apprehension of Deserters from Foreign Ships Bill went through a Committee, and was reported. Oa the motion of Lord COLCHESTER, the Differen tial Dues Bill was read a second time. The Registration of Births, Deaths, and Marriages Bill went through a Committee, and was reported. The Property of Lunatics Bill, the Stamp Duties (Ireland) Bill, and the Masters in Chancery Abolition Bill, were severally read a third time and passed. JURISDIC PION OF EQUITY BILL. On the motion for the third reading of the Improve meat of the Jurisdiction of Equity Bill, Lord TRURO said the present session would be emi nently distinguished beyond all others by the efforts which Parliament had made to improve the jurisdiction and the administration of the law. It was remarkable for having instituted a fuller inquiry into the common law than had taken place since the time of Edward 111. The improvements embraced extensive alterations in every department of the administration of justice, and it was desirable that they should be. as perfect as pos sible. The L gal Commission which sat in 1650 had pro3ented its report on the 27th of January in the pre sent year, and on the 27th of February—just one month afterwards—he had retired from office; and that was, he thought, a sufficient justification for his not having laid any measure founded on that report on the table of the House. It was only very recently that the present Bill had been matured and produced by his Noble and Learned Friend, and if they looked at the progress that had since been made in these legal measures, it would prove the great desire that existed in that House to pass these measures into law during the present session, Lord CHAN WORTH expressed his entire approval in what had fallen from his Noble and Learned Friend, and believed that on the whole these measures would contribute very materially to the improvement of the ad ministration of justice. It was quite true that the re port of the Chancery Commissioners was not made until immediately before the meeting of Parliament, and consequently there was not the same opportunity of con sidering the subject as the common law report. It was scarcely a fair ground of complaint that that measure did not go the full extent that might have been antici pated, but he trusted, at least, they would disabuse the public mind of what he believed to be a vulgar prejudice, that the persons connected with the administration of the law had a feeling which prompted them to resist im provemen-s in their particular profession. It was his in tention to move -that the 50th clause of the Bill be omitted, because it went against the whole scope and ten dency of the Bill. It directed that certain books of ac count] should be admitted as prima facie evidence of the entents, although, according ! ,to the ordinary law of the land, they could not be received as evidence. Lord TRURO fully agreed with his Noble Friend in thinking that the clause should be withdrawn. The LORD CHANCELLOR readily admitted that the clause in its operation would be very doubtful._ This Bill passed through examination by a select number of Members of their Lordships' House; and he (the Lord Chancellor) was not at liberty to withdraw the clause without their sanction. The motion was then negatived by consent, and the Bill was then read a third time and passed. TURNPIKE-ROADS (IRELAND) BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. COPYHOLD ENFRANCHISEMENT BILL. On the motio❑ of the LORD CHANCELLOR, Lord Brougham was added to the Committee to which this Bill has been entruited. Their Lordships then adjourned to Thursday, 3d o Juno. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 28. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the Somersetshire Central Railway Bill were agreed to. The Asthall and Buckland Road, and the Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway (No. 1) Bills were read a third time and passed. The following Bills were considered and agreed to:— Commercial Gas Company and British Gas Light Com- pany. _ .. Wedmore Road. Adams's Estate Bill was read a second time and ordered to b© committed. ROYAL COMMISSION. The Usher of the Black Rod appeared at the table, and summoned the House to attend at the bar of the House of Peers, to hear the Royal assent given by Com mission to several public and private Acts (for the names of which see Lords' report). PETITIONS. Mr. DUNCAN presented a petition from a place in Scotland against the Maynooth grant. Mr. HARDCASTLE presented a petition from the Master and Wardens of the Brentwood Grammar School, praying that the Attorney- General may be called upon to explain the grounds upon which he had compromised their claim upon the late head master. Mr. SPOONER presented a petition from various places in Warwickshire praying for an inspection of religious houses. Mr. BANKES presented a petition from a place in Dorsetshire, praying the house to step in and put an end to the Peruvian monopoly in guano. DUTY ON CARRIAGES. Sir DE LACY EVANS wished to know if the Chancellor of the Exchequer c-,uld hold out any hope of the dttty on carriages bein7 abolished? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it would not be in his power to propose any remission of taxation, however triflirg, thi3 sess i on . PUNISHMENT OF CRIMINALS. Mr. CARTER wished to ask the Secretary for the Home Departmen, if he was aware that men above 30 years of age, married FWD, and fathers of families, are subjected to the degradation of whipping, as part of their punishment, on conviction of larceny or other petty 13- ' ""; and, if there is any law or sta t u te the inteet of Whi c h was to aut h o: i se county ma gistrates to infliet the lash on such persons of mature age? Mr. WALPOLE was aware that by the statute of George IV. persons convicbed of felony or larceny were liable to be ordered to be whipped at the discretion of the court beforo whom they were tried. PIMLICO IM_PROVEMENT. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished to ask the Chief Com missioner of Works if he would place on the üble of the House a plan and estimate of the expense to be incurred under the Pimlico Improvement Act? Lord J. MANNEIiS said there would be no objection to produce both the plan and the estimate, and it was ordered accordingly. POSTAL COMMUNICATION WITH SCOTLAND. Mr. COWAN wished to ask the Secretary to the Treasury if there was any intention of the mails between London and Edinburgh being accelerated so as to save a day in the course of post between the two cities, and, if so, when such change was intended to be carried into effect? Mr. HAMILTON said that a proposition had been made to the Treasury for accelerating the mail be tween London and Edinburgh, but it had only been re cently made, and he was not, therefore, prepared to say , whether it was likely to be carried into effect. An ar rangement had, however, been entered into by which letters would be dispatched to Edinburgh by the five o'clock Dublin mail. POST-OFFICE SALARIES. Mr. COWAN wished to ask the Secretary to the Treasury if the copies of memorials and the answers thereto (from officers in the inland department in the General Post-office, Edinburgh), ordered on the Ist day of April last, were likely to be laid on the table of the House betbre the dissolution of Parliament? Mr. HAMILTON said the return would be laid on the' table within the next fortnight. HISTORY OF HARBOURS. Mr. TENNENT wished to ask the Secretary of the Admiralty, whether it was intended to proceed with the History of the Harbours of the United Kingdom, which had been already commenced by the History of Belfast Harbour, recently published by the Harbour Department of the Admiralty? Mr. STAFFORD said that there were difficulties in the way of the work being continued, and he could hold oat no hope for its completion. NEW ZEALAND COMPANY. In reply to Sir JAMES GRAHAM, Sir JOHN PAKINGTON said he he must decline producing the opinion of the law officers as to the claim of the New Zealand Company to compensation for their unappropriated land. AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS. Mr. O'FLAHERTY wished to know if Govern ment intended to introduce any Bill for calculating the agricultural statistics of Ireland, and the value of agri cultural produce? Lord gAA.Ssaid that a Bill was in preparation on this subject, which would shortly be laid before the House. Mr. SCULLY hoped it would be laid before the House before the General Valuation Bill was proceeded with. Lord NAAS could not make such a promise. MR. MATHER. Mr. OSBORNE said a correspondence relating to the case of Mr. Math(); had appeared in the public prints this morning, in which the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs was represented to have expressed himself disposed to compromise the affair for 2001., that being the price for which, in the estimation of the Noblo Lord, the life of a British subject might be exposed to risk and danger in a foreign country. Now he wished to know if this correspond ence was authentic? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was very inconvenient that these questions should be put without notice. He was not prepared to answer it. Mr. OSBORNE gave notice that he should call the attention of the House to the subject early after Whit suntide. THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 20 1 1852. MAYNOOTH. Mr. REYNOLDS said the adjourned debate on the Maynooth grant stood No. 28 on the paper for to-night, and he wished to know if the Hon. Member for North W arwickshire had come to any understanding with the Government as to fixing a day for resuming it? Mr. SPOONER said he had had no communication with the Government upon the subject, but as for fixing a day, that must depend upon what took place when the debate again came on. MILITIA BILL. Colonel SIBTHORP wished to know if the Militia Bill would be reprinted before the third reading? Mr. WALPOLE said that very little alteration had been made in the report, and there would be no neces sity to reprint the Bill. PUBLIC BUSINESS. Mr. HINDLEY said, unless some - arrangement were come to for resuming the adjourned debate on the May nooth question, he should move that the order of the day be read for the purpose of being discharged, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he would take the opportunity of moving that the House, at its rising, do adjourn till Thursday next, in order that be might be enabled to state what course he thought it best to take to expedite the progress of public business.—(Hear, hear.) He should still adhere to the original arrangement of proceeding with the Committee on the Militia Bill on Thursday next, but with regard to other Bills, he had placed certain resolu tions upon the paper, for the purpose of making their morning sittings more efficient, which would enable them to dispose of several important questions, and which he therefore hoped would receive the assent of the House. Those resolutions were;—" That whenever the House shall sit, for dispatch of business, at twelve o'clock on any day except Wednesday and Saturday, if such business be disposed of not later than three o'clock, the House will resume its sitting at five o'clock; and if such business be disposed of after three o'clock and before four o'clock, the House will resume its sit ting at six o'clock. That when such business has not been disposed of at four o'clock, Mr. Speaker (or the Chairman, in case the House shall be in Committee) do leave the. chair, and the House will resume its sitting at six ,o'clock, when the orders of the day not disposed of at the morning sitting, and any motion which was under discussion at four o'clock, shall be set down in the Order Book after the other orders of the day. That when ever the House shall be in Committee at four o'clock, the Chairman do report progress when the House re sumes its sitting. That all dropped orders of the day be set down in the Order Book, after the orders of the morning u t on s , d a y for the next d ay on wh i ch the House shall sit." frh e if they were adopted, would render ra s e o r r n e sittings far more satisfactory than they h a d hitherto been, and if t h ey were passed, he should feel himself at liberty t o ava il h imself of the privilege im mediately after th e h o li days.—(Hear, hear.) He did no t intend to int er f ere w i th the Tuesday sitting, w hich was devoted to i ndependent Members, but looking the to the present state of public business, and the advanced period of the session, it would be necessary for him to appeal to the forbearance of Honourable Gentleman even on that day.— (Hear, hear.) If those reso lutions were assented to, he should propose, that on Thursday they should go into Committee upen the New Zealand Bill, and that on the Monday and Tuesday following they should meet at twelve o'clock to discuss the Metropolitan Interments Bill, and the Metropolitan Buildings Bill.—(gear.) With regard to the question to which several Gentlemen had referred in the course of the evening, it was his opinion that after all that had taken place, it was expedient that the Maynooth debate should be brought to an issue, and with that view ho proposed that it should be continued this day week at twelve o'clock, bat it would be only on the understanding that there would be a determination on both sides of the House to bring the question to a close on that night.—(Hear, hear.) It now only re maiaed for him to move, that the House at its rising do adjourn till Thursday next. He should take the supply after the New Zealand debate on Friday. Mr. MILES hoped, as the Government had given way in order to bring the Maynooth question to an issue, if a motion were made to adjourn the debate beyond Fri day, the public would be convinced that Hon. Members opposite were disposed to take a factious course for the purpose of preventing any inquiry. Mr. LABOUCHERE hoard with deep regret the announcement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The proceedings upon the Maynooth question were utterly jr reconcileable with the dignity and integrity of the House, and he considered that to institute an inquiry withi n a fortnight of the en d o f t h e sess i on was a f arc e and a mockery. that he had done anything it was. admittedo t - uv N vi E lli ß tigtoetertain an inquiry. Mr k'n the inquiry co a n n o y t t b h e i nbroughtinjure u t r o e t h a e s n a h ti a s r f a a c e t t e o r ry ofthe that in the present sessio n House, th oug h con clusion, but ILL B h u e RN considered t hough the House ought to show the country.that Ho denied had done M r. 8° by the factious course they bad adopted. GO WO Ulll. avoidable after what had happened; but as Mr. Spooner made this that an inquiry could not be properly should Is session, he suggested that the Government thought Membersinciuiry opposite at once institute an investigation on their own res ponsibility,and -the next Parlia ment. report the result to The O'GORMAN MAHON proposed that the House should sit to-morrow, and proceed continuously with the debate ll from day to day until it terminated. . Mr. NE WDEGATE deprecated the practice of a small nnmber of Members in the HOW° taking a fac "el: course, and endeavouring to c oerce the m a jo rit y . 1" . UUME thought the Governmen t might put an end to all dispute by appointing a Com mission to eon• duct the inquiry. Mr . /1- HERBERT said the s p irit in which the discussion had been conducted would do more in jury to Protestantism in I re land than ten colleges of M aynoot h in twenty years. If the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire really wished for in- c l ui rY, and if the Government desired to support hit n, the Right Honourable Member for the University of Cambridge (Mr. Goulburn) had pointed out a course which would fully accom plish the desired end. He believed, however, that the proposal for inquiry was a mere sham and de lusion, the object of which was to get up a cry for the hustings.—(Cheers.) After a few words from Mr. HOWARD, Sir B. HALL hoped, if the Government were sincere, they would carry ou t the sugge stion of Mr. Goulburn for the anptaintment of a COM MISSIOD. Mr. REYNOLDS observed that the Members who were so tender of the character of the House were !a bjuring under a false impression. As regarded charac ter and liberality, it was impossible for a Home to be in a worse position, and the less that was said on the subject the better. It was perfectly clear that if this - • s ordered to be made by the II inquiry was ouse the Committee could only sit for two or three weeks, and then the subject would be buried in the tomb of all the Capulets. They invited and courted inquiry, but they would not consent had to a di v i s i on un til they disp elled the cl oud that been thrown before the independent electors of the country. The ;Hon. Member for Peeblesshire, one of the Und Seeretatiei; had gone to the gre t er a emporium of trade, Liverpool, and sounded the tocsin of religious discord, by telling the electors that if they would vote for him he would support the withdrawal of the grant to Maynooth. The following lines in Hudibras were applicable to the position of that Hon. Member : " What makes all doctrines plain and clear? 'Tis just twelve hundred pounds a year. And that which was proved true before Proves false again?—Twelve hundred more." The Chief Secretary for Ireland also sat mute, and loft Maynooth to the tender mercies of the Hon. Member for Warwickshire. The Right Hon. Member for the Uni versity of Cambridge had suggested a commission of in quiry. To inquire into what? Into some recent cir cumstances? Into the Durham letter, into the Eccle siastical Titles Bill, into that permanent conspiracy, half lay and half clerical, which held its sittings in this city under the name of the National Club? What need was there of inquiry, if there was nothing to be inquired into? It was the old principle to throw as much dirt as possible, in the hope that some of it would stick. That reminded him of a story—a candidate for a seat in Par liament, a most respectable man, was utterly driven from the hastings, because an agent of his opponent asked him " who killed his own washerwoman?" It was said this was a Protestant country. He (Mr. Reynolds) thought the best proof to the contrary was the presence of Roman Catholics in the Legislature. It was not a Protestant country; for one-third of the people were Roman Ca tholic, and one-third of the income also.—(No.) And yet they were told that 26 ; 0001, applied to Maynooth, was a misapplicarion of the public money; it was but a beg garly instalment of justice. It was never asked for; and it was now sought to be withdrawn, in consequence of the acts of the Synod of Thurles, and the opposition of the clergy to the new colleges. As a Roman Catholic Member he would give no such pledge as that suggested by the Right Hon. Member for the University of Cam bridge, that the debate should be closed on Friday. In conclusion, he denied again the imputation of desiring factiously to protract the debate, and stated that he for gave the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire for having done so much mischief in the Christian commu nity of this country, as he hoped God would forgive him.—(Laughter.) Mr. FRESHFIELD explained. Re repudiated the charge of being the cause of any delaY in the discussion of the motion. He had only moved the adjournment at an hour—half-past three o'oclock, when the House was close on the period of proceeding with other busi ness; and he had done so to give the House an oppor tunity of fixing a further day for the resumption of the debate. His motion was strictly in accordance with the rules of the House; and was, moreover, made to facilitate, and not to impede, the discussion of the ques tion at issue. Mr. ANSTEY said the imputation came from the other side of the House, and not from his side, and to that the Hon. Member fur Boston ought to have ad dressed himself. He (Mr. Anstey) trusted her Majesty's Government would give a pledge to prosecute the in quiry in the form suggested by the Right Hon. Member for Cambridge, in a fitting and proper way; and it was his intention to test their sincerity on the subject by putting a question, when the time should arrive for that purpose. Mr. KEOGH made no complaint of the Hon. Mem ber for Peeblesshire, but certain matters ought, in his opinion, to be mentioned before the House went to the country, to the end that the electors should understand the game that was now playing. He understood the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire—and it was only right the Hon. Member should hear what was said— was anxious to have the discussion on the motion pro seouted, and that the other Hon. Member for North Warwickshire was anxious that the question should be supported by the whole strength of their party. He had heard something said about raising a cry in the country, but he did not believe that was the Hon. Member's ob ject. He believed the Hon. Member for North War wickshire was sincere in his desire for a repeal of the grant to Maynooth, but he did not give other Hon. Mem bers the same credit. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State had spoken on the question; but the Right Hon. Gentleman the leader of that House had not favoured the House with his sentiments. That Right Hon. Gentleman had not told the House whether one of the present Government had not counselled the Hon. Member (Mr. Spooner) to bring forward this question.— (Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman was accom plished in literature—both in comedy and tragedy; and in one of his works he bad immortalised Tadpole and Taper, who, in a conversation with Rigby, drew from that personage that he never did anything with out first setting up a cry.—(Hear, and laughter.) Now, in the present case, there was a double cry— the cry in England was Protestantism and Derbyism; in Ireland, it was Roman Catholicism and Derbyism. —(Hear, hear). What faith could the Honourable Member for North Warwickshire put in such a Go vernment? The Honourable Member ought to know the secret practices going on in other places. He had seen an address from one of the Derbyites in Ireland, in which the candidate stated he was opposed to the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill of last session, and determined to support the grant to the Royal College of Maynooth. Was the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire satisfied with that state of things? When the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in 1845, was assailing Sir Robert Peel, he then said that protection in 1845 was in the same condi tion as Protestantism was in 1341.—(Hear.) Could the Hon. Gentleman put faith in a Government which was raising a cry of Derby and Maynooth in Ireland, and going about the country in England raising the cry of Derby, and down with Maynooth? The question before the House was for a Committee of that House to in quire into Maynooth; that proposition had been sup ported by the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State, and forthwith the Hon. Gentleman who made the proposition rose, and told the House the Committee he sought could never meet, and the inquiry, if granted, could never take place. Was the House to concede to an independent Member such a course? He had al ways heard, when an independent Member made a mo tion for a Committee that a Minister would say, though favourable to the proposition, still his s ense o f d uty would not permit him to allow the public time to be wasted, and therefore he must oppose the proposition. But in the present case the Right Hon. Gentleman had told the Hon. Gentleman the public time must be wasted, and, though it was impossible Right d iscussio n cou l d take place satisfactorily, Ye t Ple ll 9ll- Gentleman would support the propo sition _truly de for discussion. Here as a question described , and w as a ed, to b e o f an q uestion in which t h e Protestant i m po r tant nature-- -3 population was deeply interested—a quest i on which in his conscience he-believed would convulse the whole yes Government Ca tholic population o f Ireland—and f the great interests involved en trusted it to the guardianship of the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire, hacompromisedd l b e e a e iv n ni ntgh d e e aslatinwei t w h a b y y as certain other in it to be great questions the Tadpoles th e Treasury bench —namely, and Tapers of anaely, by a cone -(Efear.) Was it not one of th e f o ll owers o f promise. Gentleman who ' in 1845, after the second the Right Hon. Maynooth Bill, called the attention of the reading of the Administration head of the . to the Circumstance of two his Administration having voted against the members of d t ' Governneent measure, a ld n auntlegly asked the Premier (Sir R. Peel) if he would himself to be trifled with in his Administration persons who would by keeping so wildly in opposition to their collea gues ? Th e an swervote the inquirer received was, that he (Sir R. Peel) b e master of his position ; me ant to that he kept to him selfof controlling the the power _ acts of hi s co ll eagues; an d that he intended to exert the whole of the power of Governmen t to carry the questio n . B ut what had the House now , under the leadership o f a Gentleman who whole hours, and ' had spoken _ . written whole volumes, to prove the necessity of making public men adhere to a standard of public principle—(Hear) —what did the Just find? They House now found ,the second law officer of the C row n the first to raise on the hastings the cry of anti-Maynooth in the very te e th o f t h e recorded opinion of t h e Chancellor of the Exchequer.—(Hear, hear.) They found the Secretary of the Treasury, who ought to have been the last man to place himself in a position in which no public man ought to be placed, the recog nised whipper-in of tho party, going down to one of the moat important constituencies in England —a constitu ency once represented by A Canning —and setting up as the only pretension which, in his (Mr. Keogh's) con science, he believed he could put forward, a reckless de claration to maintain his opinion, and a bigotted deter mination to sacrifice everything to the retention of office and his party.—(Hear, hear.) That Hon. Gentleman, hOwever, might have this consolation for his retreat from principles he avowed in 1846—if a vacancy occurred in the Cabinet, and he was called upon to fill it up, he would return to his former opinions, and would fling to the winds his present professions in order to win the em braces of a more enlightened constituency.—(Hear.) He had sought to place the position of the Government before the House and country, because he was aware that many people believed the grant to Maynooth, the first instal ment due to justice, ought to be withdrawn. He would warn the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire and the country that the occupants of the Treasury bench were playing a most deceptive game. They had sent the re cognised and confidential agent of the Premier to Ire land, who had published an address to the electors, in which he openly expressed his determination to give a decided support to the endowment of Maynooth—thus leading every one to believe that the Noble Lord the chief of the Administration entertained the same opinions, and that nothing was further from the intention of Go vernment than to concede a single particle to the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire. With such facts be fore them, if they believed that anything could be gained by inquiry then they were the most credulous dupes on the face of the earth. He believed by this discussion they would only irritate, exacerbate, wring, and torture the feelings of the people of Ireland; and all this about a grant, which, if divided and subdivided, would no t give a penny a, head to the Catholi c population of Ire land.—(Cheers.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he might have risen before to reply to th the Right Hon. Gentl eman the Member for suggestion o f m Univer sity of Cambridge, b u t h e preferred be . r the doing so now instead of waiting until the dis • cussion terminated. He had, with the rest of her Majesty's G sub jected to the comments of theßiovernment, been . ght Hon. Gentleman the Member for Taunton, who had charged him with pracitsing conduct unworthy of the position he occu pied, in consequence of his having suggested Friday next as the most suitable day on which to resume the debate on the Maynooth question. No one was more ready than himself t k 1 d oac now ge ehow unequal he was to the responsibilities which he had been called upon to discharge —but he was bound to say, in the course he had taken that day, he felt he had done that which he ought to do.—(Hear.) It had been said that these dis cussions were calculated to lower the tone of that House, and to shak e th e con fid ence o f th e o th e r House and the people; but he could not help thinking that nothing of that could be more calculated to lower the tone make a House and to shake popular confidence than to systematic effort to evade such discus.ea a them, or to resist bad a judgment on questions involved n been anxious that the debate should not be prolonged. He had expressed his opinion as to the conduct of the debate —he hid not wished to prolong it, and last Tuesday ho had made an appeal to the Noble Lord op posite and other Hon. Members on the subject, and had his advice been followed a division would have been taken on Tuesday. There was one duty of a leader of that House which ought never to bo omitted—the duty of consulting the feelings of the House on the conduct of affairs and debates.—(Hear.) He would not allude to what was fresh in the recollection of the House—he would only say that taunts, repeated taunts, bed been addressed to her Majesty's Government because they would not give a day—because Government would not come forward and assist to obtain a decision for which the House waited. It was only a few nights ago that Government were denounced by the Hon. Gentlemen opposite for not doing that for which they were now de nounced for doing.—(H e ar.) Government were re proached far wishitig to proceed with the debate because inquiry was impossible. Why, the inquiry was not more impossible now than it was when the Hon. Gen tleman opposite was so anxious to have a decision on the question—were anxious to have, as they said, an inquiry. They all knew that the vote meant the House should express an opinion as to the propriety of having an inquiry into the system pursued at Maynooth ; and a mockery and a delusion as to the man ner when he heard such language as that it was in which the debate was conducted. It would, he con ceived, be much more a farce and a mockery if the House did not endeavour to arrive at a vote on the ques tion. With regard to the expression of the Hon. and Learned Member insinuating, and more than insinuating, that be attempted to use this subject to promote party interests, be felt perfectly conscious he was quite inno cent of any such intention.—(Hear.) If that charge had been correct he might have adopted a different tone; but he was satisfied no one could accuse him of intro ducing into the discussion expressions of acerbity calcu lated to wound any one. He bad, without reserve, ex pressed the ground on which ho voted for an inquiry, and the same ground had been more ably expressed by the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Walpole). That ground was, considering the question had so occupied the public mind and inflamed public passions, it was highly expedient and politic to ascertain if the national objects fur which the grant was made had been fulfilled. They might enter into that inquiry, he considered, without at all prejudging the question. As to the question of the Right Hon. Gen tlemen (Mr. Goulbourn), relative to a Royal Commis sion, that was not a novel suggestion; it had already been made by the Noble Lord (Lord John Russell). He had expressed his objection, and he would again repeat it. An inquiry-by a Royal Commission, which could compel the attendance of no witnesses, would nut be a satisfactory course to pursue in the present state of the public mind. No inquiry during the recess would be satisfactory, unless it was united with those powers which Government only could confer. What chance was there of gaining those powers?—(Hear, hear.) If the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire found a difficulty in carrying on the discussion for a Committee of Inquiry, what chance had her Majesty's Government of carrying a law to enable the Commission to exercise powers which were indispensable? Every one must feel it was impossible. If Government could not do that, would it bo well to adopt the suggestion of the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Goulburn)? He would state the broad grounds why it would be ob jectionable. Was there a better chance, if the plan was adopted, of making the inquiry effective? And when they heard of mockery and farces, nothing was more calculated to disgust the people than to take important questions from the popular area, and to introduce them into the Cabinet, for the purpose of providing a scheme of investigation which could not produce any result.— (Hear, hear.) This was the important ground on which Government opposed a Commission of Inquiry. He would say, in his own vindication, that until he received expressions of opinion from Gentlemen on both sides of the House, and belonging to all parties, he was unwil ling, in the present state of public business, to give a day. It had been mentioned that he gave a Govern ment day; but it must be recollected, whether Govern ment had fixed Friday or Tuesday, the result would be exactly the same. It was because on the whole, after the discussion which had taken place, and after so much pub lic feeling had been expressed, and a general under standing prevailed that it was necessary and expedient to give the House of Commons an opportunity of ex • pressing the opinion whether an inquiry should take place into the College of Maynooth, that he felt it to be his duty to take such a course as would facilitate that object. He had no object but to fulfil his duty, and the consciousness of having done his duty would sus tain him under the attacks to which he had been ex posed.—(Cheers,) Friday was then agreed to. THE CASE OF MR. MURRAY. Lord D. STUART rose and said he thought the House and the country had a right to ask for informa tion respecting the circumstances which led to the im prisonment and the passing of sentence of death on an English subject. No matter how mean the condition of any British subject, in such a case he was deserving the attention of the House; but Mr. Murray, the unfortu nate person in question, was most respectably connected, and his father, grandfather, and many others of his family, had served in the British army. It appeared that Mr. Murray, who had been travelling in Italy with his father, entered the service of the Roman Govern ment of the day in 1848, and was employed first in the army and afterwards in the police, but that, having been suspected of being implicat e d in the murder of some partisans of the Papal Government, be had been arrested and sent to Rome, where he was tried, acquitted, and set at liberty. He afterwards proceeded to Ancona; but the Pope having been restored to his dominions subsequently, the unfortunate man was again arrested for the offence of which it had been rumoured be was guilty, and of which he had been acquitted, and was thrown into prison. There he remained for nearly three years, and Hon. Members who knew what Italian prisons were, either from having seen, as he had, those places of misery and torture, or from having road the eloquent description of the Right Hon. Member for the University of Oxford, would have some conception of what he— their fellow-subject—endured during this lengthened period, without being brought to trial. There was no one who could wish that, if guilty of the crime which rumour had connected with his name—for he (Lord D. S:uart) had not yet heard distinctly the charge brought against him by the Roman Government—Mr. Murray should escape justice, whether their fellow-countryman or not; but what interested the House and the country was, whether he was really guilty or not; whether he had had the advantage of a fair and open trial; and whether those who represented this country, from the head of the Foreign-office down to the Consuls at Ancona and Rome, had done their duty in seeking justice for an English subject. From the statement of the Noble Lord in another place, and from information received from other quarters, it appeared to him the un fortunate gentleman had not had the advantage of a fair trial. He had not imputed to Mr. Murray, as was supposed, a political offence; but what he said was that the Papal Government, by treating him as guilty of a political offence, had deprived him of advantages to which he would otherwise have been entitled. In the first place, he had been treated as guilty of a political offence, he must have come within the amnesty issued after the return of the Pope from Gaeta to Rome, but he was not included —neither was he tried by the tribunal at Ancona, and therefore had not the advantage of an appeal, to which he would have been entitled in the ordinary counsel; neither had he liberty to choose a counsel, but the Papal Government had appointed him in that capacity a person whose duty it was to draw up an official summary of the cases, and it was very easy to understand that, in a country like Rome, where the courts of law were notoriously ill-managed, and justice did not prevail, the counsel appointed by Government were not likely to do that justice to a pri soner which might be expected in other quarters. He must say it did not appear to him the Consuls had done their duty in seeing Mr. Murray had fair play, because the result of what the Noble Lord said was, that in formation had been sent from the Consul at Ancona to the Consul at Rome of Mr. Murray's arrest, and that the latter at once did that which was highly becoming, so far as it went, namely, represented the case to the Papal Government on behalf of the unfortunate prisoner; but Mr. Freeborn ne vertheless did not send information of what had occurred till about February in this year; that was not till nearly three years after the unfortunate man had been arrested. Mr. Freeborn was, no doubt, an active and intelligent and able officer, but his long silence was al; ogether surprising, and required explanation. Whether Mr. Moore, the Consul at Ancona, did not send Mr. Freeborn information of Mr. Murray's arrest, or, having done so, the latter had not informed the Govern mentt itfn was —of r eoc c fu a tl s hi e aer i t s a at home, he could no ao t sa s tia a b y lve ; ar b ae u s neglect ane mal o —anomalous s duty. and objectionable t w a e t rela tions between this country and Rome, but the fault of that lay with the party now in power—it was the act of the Noble Lord now in Dublin Castle, and there seemed to be a sort of poetical justice in the present case. Had anything been done to insure a proper trial of Mr. Mur ray, and to give him the advantage of counsel? He wished to ask a question also with regard to Mr. Ma ther, who had been most shamefully treated by Austrian officers in Tuscany. Earl Granville had intimated to the father of Mr. Mather that, as soon as the affair was concluded it was his intention to lay all the correspon dence before Parliament. Now that the negotiation was brought to a close, ho wished to ask the Noble Lord whether there would be any objection to lay the papers on the tabl2 of the House? Lord STANLEY was astonished that the Noble Lord should find in the p roc e e ding upon Mr. M u t r h r e present aYscase any ground for preferring a charge against he had clearly Government.—(Hear, hear.) l eL thought the Noble Lord explained on the previous evening, House, when that as soon OE3 brought this subject before the the Government heard that the life of an English sub ject was in peril, and that sen tence of death, they direct Mr. Murray lay under ed the British Cons u l s i n Ancona and Rome to use all the influence and aut h or i ty of o the sentence. The d t o procure a respite of England f the previous imprisonment and Lord had spoke n o and acquittal of Mr. Murray. It was tru e h e h ad been imprisoned before on this charge, butregarded _ as his '' acquittal ," that implied a regular trial, and ho h a d no that any tr . of knowinghad taken place. Mr. means Murray in t was rele as tededb by the Republican Government, arresy Pa p al Go vernment. The and by e Noble ga Lord said Mr. Murray ought to have been re lsased under the amnesty. but his offence could not be called a political offence. Politi ca l f eeling had certainly be mixed up with it, but the specific charge against Mr. Murray Was, that he, holding the situation of Inspector of Police at Ancona, had connived at the murder of Roman gentlemen in that city. Mr. Free born wrote in February of the present year that the ar rest of Mr. Murray had taken place, but the case was U 9141 his diakict; oucl i; did PO aPPeu that Air, Alccre, the British consul at Ancona, had reported the 0 0 Since the dispat c h es of M r . F ree b o r n had pat the G ° : vernment in possession of the existing circtunstan se ; they bad x-rted themselves to the utmost` to ere°, any it justice being done to a British sutject. One monstrance was immediately put in by Mr. Freeborn: and two more had been since addressed t the Palm' q,, vernment—one in April and the other in the beeti o °''', of May. He did nut think there was the slightest reap son to impute any slickness in the discharge of h i : ditties to Mr. Freeborn from the time the matter ca w within his power to interfere. He did not know b, Mr. Moore had not reported the case earlier, but ,IP ss fact of the Government having interfered proved tF ch the sentence was not one in their opinion upon ab l e , the life of a British subj, et should depend. W itb „,,, r et gard to the publication of the papers, the Governor must fellow the usual course of withholdieg the Pap er until the negotiations were at an end. t the Lord PALMERSTON, during the time he wa s a- e o s head of the Foreign-office, had received no informs.' d on the subject of this case. Undoubtedly, it aPPef fa t i f to require explanation why M r . Moore, it the aO, originated at Aneena, or Mr. F i e e born, if it • wcre tra de foiled to Rome, did nut make a communication to Foreign-office; and also why th e f r ie n ds of Ms- h i fe r o e in England did not make application to him (fll' le, rnerston) when he wes at the head of the Foreige4o With regard to Mr. Moore and Mr. Freeborn , boff e h o it was only right to say that it was impossible to,..dir two public servants who hid shown more zeal and to cretion in tho duties imposed upon them, and it mu' abet supposed there were reasons hick led them th-Lnkler the case of Murray did not require immediate rePf 3 tations to the Government of G re at Britain. 0 1 , 1 0 if he (Lord Palmerston) w e r e i n fo r med that a P r ra ye subject were placed in confinement for trial for a g. the aed and serious offence against the criminal isee ° country in which he resided, he should hir e to the t Consul he wasonsulor Minister of the pti eg il tatrkuo ct care that provided with go o " eitir defence and professional advice for defending : , t he self ag a i nst t h e accusation. Of cour se, o se first information the Government obtained of tea pre was that the trial had been concluded and the L ' e ",,estet passed, that preliminary proceeding could not tee d ° t o the lie agreed with what had been said with regar. Go' inconvenience of the non-intercourse between 6 ",; r eest' vernment and that of Rome. The Roman G° ° ,.., e ",e f o° before the passing of the Act empowering the u' h - a jer enter into diplomatic negotiations with Rome' pod pressed a great desire to have diplomatic n e g7 w - bid i with Great Britain. It was true that the clause b th e was inserted during the House of Lords, and which prevented the 1: 017 1 ° 00 1 vet ninent from sending as their representati ve 44 , 8 $ 0 passing of the Bill throng Go' ecclesiastic, did give offence to the Roman Co l „ r " r e sl thought that they ought Lo; to have taken osten,6o, that clause, for it only placed by law the diplocestifose tercourso between Rume and England on the 8 1100 log as the diplomatic intercourse of the Court 0 is ieoe had been placed with Russia and Prussia by the d i ec i 9 l4 -- - e of the Courts of St. Petersburgh and Berlin":00 0 ' in which the Court of Rome had implicitly On, The Pope had had Ministers from Russia an d 4oie ll resident at Rome, and whereas the Russian and,' the Governments had refused to receive ecclesiastics ' 0 for representatives of the Papal Court, the Pope bad . 6 .A pal acquiesced in that decision that he bad abstai n sending ecclesiastics to those Courts. 6 " e tor r held that the Pope was not justified in obfectingf t bst ceive a British Minister, after the paseieg m ., ° Act, because we were only restrained by law i s :;00 01 :: ceiving an ecclesiastic as the representative or Sl' . r ti PZI of Rome, in the same manner that the two el f , ten had mentioned were prevented by the decisions 0 ,, Ita respective Governments from doing the same OtelL e. he did not, in fact, understand that any such ribi l send a representative here had ever been Ma de jee r Roman Government. What they said was, 00_410, sequence of the law they could not receive a Per : 0 ;0 1 4 . mission; but there was not any reason for " 6 r re e a temporary mission; and if ' such a mission O re , from time to time, as occasions might arise 6° them, that would answer a ll t h e purposes that T eo be arrived at by a p e r manen t m i ss i on. And t ee 11" ,,d there was nothing in th e p resent di s position 04 0 " r eerri man Court to prevent' our G ove rnment from c id our Minister at Florence, or elsewhere, from g ao cerf l , Rome to settle any quest i on b etween the two biol; monts. He wished to correct what appeared misconception as to the effect of the clause in t"" t ocr t matic Relations with Rome Act, and the noti° ° ,oisti ° , Court of Rome had refused to enter into ateY,n e t s s tb 6 ' with the Government of Great Britain, rin, er : o3 loo o " only said they could not receive a permanent and could only receive a temporary mission' h e 0 1 Lord D. STUART then gave notice tha t , to cor move on Thursday next for the production 0, respondence in Mr. Mather's case. The matter then ended. efAS , • CONDUCT OF GENERAL THOe- ice of Mr. S. CRAWFORD said he had given 0 °6.. f Gee question with reference to the alleged condro4 `'• Oleo' tel Thomas and other military officers at 1111 , 19 s vertl in attempting tQ exercise an undue influenc_felecor.4° vote of Sergeant McKinley , a pensioner , and ereetter in the , c of the said borough. From a statement Whig newspaper it appeared that on the 4 19 sone ri. last General Thomas inspected the local Pen 0 0 Enniskillen, and had presented to thirteen Pe n t rio o° o i vereigns, telling the sergeant who had served in the 27th Regiment, a suns sel u and v , 0 0 them bad votes ho expected they would 9 r and Whiteside. M`Kinley had refused 5 0 d° ghGi-e*iieral 'IP(); the pensioners passed out of the barracks. that be 0 ,,, e and said man shook his fist at- the sergeant,involve the a disgrace to his comrades. The question intter, and be freedom of the subject in an important Ine s a w s hoped the Noble Lord would give some Mforra 010 regard to it. (NI Finley) that 1 of LthoordooNorAseAaSdothpoteudghbtyhtehohafidosoone.me r e e m a b so o n r. to wi n ° :he : ff fe ec ost r Member had given notice of a question seri o , o , B . 4 c ter in g the character of an officer of as high a eno,sl.oo 00 any man in her Majesty's service, and had pr letter r r i g n rounds s p f u o p r e his r. M t t c h m an ber an had a n ; J ta te; l . allowed him time to communicate with the or Th s e tat H em on e . n General on the subject, and of course under Tosco' cuenstances he could not say anything as to the t e r.. Gil' Lion. From his knowledge of the character of . I . , 7 lec iel lent General, he must, however, say, that he bel_iu tor y to, would never be found committing an act the character of an officer. Unless the Hen• r .oo tir l . brought the question forward on more 8 044 .4 lu dere:4l 44r e ....sounds, he could not consider himself bee' notice it. es Colonel RAWDON said his attention had beenho 00 to -the subject, and though he did not believe I ,', ef ef officer of the character of General Thomas wotnu to be guilty of such an indiscretion as that referred Ivn ' thought inquiry called for. Mr. S. CRA WFORD said he had re ce i ve d a %I ifS" r letter corroborating the statement in th e newsPnP;io Major BERESFORD could never refuse i l ljo o ' when good grounds were shown for it. VI gal e ' Memb- r had produced no other authority for 11 ' 6 went than an anonymous letter to a newspaper. After a few words from Sir H. VERNEYt i , o , 1) ; e1 , The CHANCELLOR o f th e EXCHEQU' ns think that inquiry should be g rante d on allegaT)theil‘ an anonymous letter in a newspaper. He did o°, on eid it was the duty of the Govern men t t o g rant an I jell / on such grounds. Nay, more, he did not think 00 01 rbe duty of a Member to prefer charges on sash g r aell' A ti —(Hear, hear.) He could not beli ev e that the ,0 be l General had acted as ho had been represented to done. If the charge was m a d e i n an autb oh manner, he would be preparei to meet it. e 4 O e Sir F. T. BARING (nu not take the 08 1 , detf m the Right Hon. Gentle man h a d d one of W e er A P ! Government in cases lik e thi s. H e was r l -li bf ' et ; alined to agree with the opinion expresse" i , es : A . late Sir Robert P ee l with reference to the r tl ~; on by the D u k e o f Y or k , that inquiry s hould -. 00 0; into every complaint, even to those made 0 0 :4 mous authority. H e h a d never y W et heard to o, e not the duty of a G overnment to make V" ts''' they found a p aragrap h i n a newspaper imper r g e tb eij o conduct to public officers. He had himself 13 2 t be ho once made such inquiries. He re el not say t"o s iecs r el no wish to cast imputations on the Gallant fo se,to question; but when a Member of that House,' to e. o/ stated that an interference bad been allege s wa s taken place with the freedom of election, ft ioqlls satisfactory to be told that it was not deserv in gness li o s Mr. HUME said he looked upon that as ae-cliagtol n of oonsid era hk, importance. If ere t i Iv°e°o ja those which were alleged to have taken Pinf e a tb e r instance were to pass unnoticed and uncheelbis at e could be nothing like independent elections i n „, 000 cl u , b s try. In his opinion his Hon. Friend bed " of " le right 'in bringing the matter under the noti o n wu ld i c o House; and he hoped that the Governnien l A ,hetsi l d quire into the case, and that if they should fin' o ceel s an abuse had occurred they would take the ° steps for preventing its recurrence. 030 tie A The subject was then allowed to drop, and I ° l ' nea t of the adjournment of the House till Thursday agreed to. ,„s e' ed The adjourned debate on Maynooth was Ne resumed at twelve o'clock on Friday next. .010 THE DIPLOMATIC SERVICEE e ieg 1- On the order of the day bei n g m oved for 11"" Committee on the Civil Service Estimates, „. the ;6 % Mr. E WART rose for the purpose of calln 3 p o itat' e s tention of the House to the expediency of i n olds t o examinations and a test of the competency of °wilt t . for situations in the diplomatic service. 1i e ., 00 5 P e ,, that it would be absurb to subject to examinst o bssL ' sons sent to represent this country as foreign; adT c ; dors. But he believed that we might, with g re t t tage, require young men entering the diplom a- f sae be to undergo proper examinations. A system °- la to nation was a present established in this countrj 4 10,4 Exche, the Customs, the nary, and the East 1 b., Company's service; and the Duke of Virelliegrivith: roe , ntly, with very much to his own honour, an t r tr oof,', very enlightened regard to the efficiency of o t !._. 00 3 4 established examinations 'or ung off cers in 0 48 0 08 0 ° . He though that the time had come when t'ellotio o , also to subject to examinations candidates for t 110 4 in our diplomatic service. He hoped the Big_ oto_ n Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequvt;ll.o no s ed , hold out to him some hope that that reform 2 0e neft be etr,cted, if, indeed, it Lai not been alreadyT o doir e r The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQU F-4 „ iteetii u „l. the imponaece of the subject which the 131„c"_i t i se , 11 Pd had brought under the attention of the Ja u h eSt B-Ijs aesrt!rf though no precise form of examination to e for the diplomatic service, it would be an w the 6~ pose that it was exempted from the tendeneY t he ) r to improved education end mental CO tiVatl° o l3 l3 ', 9 o f t: ti fluenco of which was felt, in all o her departn i eeros' . public service. For a con.iderabls period arra n ; O f ;0 bad existed, and we re in operation, wlth reeP e e irte t ho pointreents to diplomatic ffi ee ,, the whole v . _ or .o _ , welch was to improve the diplomatic ser ion 0 13 country and to give it the character of a„P g 'ifero The eihrts 9f the Now L e o the x em ber te_ ~- ,