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He did not recommend a romantic or chivalrous interference ; but he thought the justice of t.ite Spa nish cause undeniable; it had in fact not been denied. He firmly believed that the interests of England were deeply con. cernod in maintaining the independence of the Peninsula, and that her means were equal to the task. With these opinions, he must deprecate a line of conduct which tended to disgrace i the country. He trusted that as the necessity of having nfer ination on all these points was apparent, he should have their Lordships consent to his motion. CONTRACTS FOR COALS AND CANDLES. Commissariat Department, Treasury Chambers; 9th May, 18 , 23. • S UCH PERSONS as are desirous of con tracting witb the Agent for Comririssariat Supplies, to furnish for Twelve Months, from the 25th of June next, such Quantities of COALS and CANDLES' as may front time to time be required, for Sundry Barracks and Stations in the under-mentioned Counties, &c. may receive Particulars of the Contracts on applying at this Office between the hours of Ten and,Four ; and to the respective Barrack Masters in the Islands of Guernsey, Jersey, and Alderney, and deliver their Tenders at this Office, as follows, viz.:— ROYAL ACADEMY, SOMERSET PLACE. T HE EXHIBITION of the ROYAL ACA OEM Y is NOW OPEN. _ Admission ',from Eight o'Clock till Seven), is. Cat"!ogre, is. HENRY HOWARD. ILA. Sec • LAW LIFE ASSURANCE SOCIETY. AGENERAL - MEETING of the PRO PRITORS of FIVE or MORE SHARES will be held at NEW FURNIVAL'S INN HALL, on THURS DAY NEXT, the 13th Instant, at Ten o'Clock in the Morn ing, for the purpose of Electing by Ballot 24 Directors, 7 Trustees, and 4 Auditors, for the Year ensuing; the f3allot will commence at Twelve o'clock at noon, and close at Four o'clock in the afternoon. JAMES ANDERTON, Secretary to the Committee. Quality Court. Tenders for supplying Coals, sealed up, and marked " Tender for Coals," until Twelve o'Cllck on Tuesday, the ai Jnne. Tendets for supplying Can:lles, sealed up, and marked "Tender for Candi es," until Twelve &Cluck on Thursday, the s th Jane; hut no proposal, either for Coals or Candles, will be noticed, unless made on, or annexed to, , a printed Particu lar, and the Prices inserted in words at length ; nor unless a Letter be subjoined to such proposal from two Persons o f knopn property, engaging to become bound with the party tendering in the Sulu expressed in the Particulars, fur the due performance of the Contract. Tenders to he made for the several Counties, and sepa rate Barracks and'Stations, as specified in the Particulars of the Contracts. LITERARY FUND SOCIETY. Incorporated 1818. l'amost—THE KING. PINE ANNIVERSARY FESTIVAL of this INSTIIIITION will be celebrated at FREEMASONS' HALL, on WEP•NESDAY, May 14, when the Company of such Noblemen and Gentlemen as are friendly to the Bene volent Purposes of the Seciety is earnestly solicited, His Grace the Duke of SOMERSET, K.G. President, will take the Chair. STEWARDS. Right Hon. The'Earl of Strathmore, Right Hon. The Earl of Normanton, G.C.B. Lord Glan►is, Major• General Sir John Malcol m, C. W. Tennyson, Esq. M.P. Rev. Pr. Penrose, Rev. T. Frognal DiWin, Rev. George Lroly, Henry Blanshard, Esq. John Galt, Esq. L l :chard Gilbert, Esq. John Minims Hope, Esq. .1. Heywood Markland, Esq. William Sil !ford, Esq. Bryan Win. Procter, Esq. John Rivington, Esq. Wathell, Esq. Henry Waymouth, Esq. Tickets, 20s. each, to be had of the Stewards; at the So cietv's Chambers, 4, Lincoln's Inn Fields; and at the Bar of the Freemasons' Tavern. 0 . 1 Dinner a If Tenders are sent by Post, the Postage must be p;tid. COUNTIES, Scc. Berk, Brecknoelt, Chester, Cornwall, Cutnberland, Devon, Dorset, Durham, Essex,, Gloucester, Hants, Isle of Man, Isle of Wight, Kent, Lancaster, Middlesex, Norfolk, North umberland, Northampton, Nottingham, Pembroke, Suffolk, Somerset, Surrey, Sussex, Warwick, York, North Britain, Islands of Guernsey, Jersey, and Alderney. SiX precisely. ROT I'ERDAM AND LONDON STEAM PACK ET. THE Public are respectfully informed t he KING OF THE NETHERLANDS, Captain N. 11. BULL, has resumed her Station for the conveyance of Pas sengers, Carriages, and Luggage, and will proceed front off the Custom-house for ItoTTERDAM, on SATURDAY MORNING NEXT, at Eight o'Clock, and on each succeeding Saturday from the same place, returning from Rotterdam every Wednesday morning, This beautiful vessel is elegantly fitted up for the convenience and comfort of Passengers, and has private Cabins for Families and Parties. For further particulars and to secure places, application to be made at the General Packet Office, 857, Strand No. 11.11.1-gent-Meet, Pall-Mall, or to N. W. Symonds, 87, Crutched Friars. EAST INDIA HOUSE, April 30, 1823. THE COURT of DIRECTORS of the UNITED COMPANY of MERCHANTS of ENG LAND TRADING to the EAST INDIES, do hereby give Notice, That a SPECIAL GENERAL count' of the said Com• f any will be held at their Home in Leadenballistreet on WEDNESDAY, the 14th May next, at Eleven o'Clock in the forenoon, fur the purpose of laying before the Prorietors, for their approbation, a Resolution of the Court of Directors of . ille 9th instant, granting the sum of (60,0001.) sixty thousand pounds per annum to His Majesty's Corernment, with a view of relieving the finances of the Country from the Charge in curred for retiring pay, pensions, &c., on account of that part of his Majesty's forces which is maintained in the Eat Indies, froM the 30th April, 1822, to be paid out of the Terri torial Revenues of India, on account of all Retiring Pay, Pen , * sions, & c ., grante d or that may he hereafter granted in re• spect of his Majesty's forces serving in the East Indies, Copy of the said Resolution now lies open sit ,this house for the perusal of the Proprietors. [ :. The Court of Directors do also give notice that, the said General Court is further made special far the purpose nisuh ttittirig for confirmation the Resolution of the General Court • of the 19th Mahh, approving the Resolution of the Collet of Directors of the 14th December last. granting to Major *inlet Rivett Carnac, of the Madras Establishment, the sum of (30,000) thirty thousand Bombay Rupees, at the rate of 2 e. 3d. per Rupee, upon the grounds therein stated. ~ The Report required by the )3y Law, Cap. ti. See. 90, to gether with the documents upon whic h the said Resolution '.. h as been f o rmed are open for the inspection of the Proprietors . . a t this House. 1 JOSEPH DART, Secretary. This Day were published, By Messrs. LONGNIAN and Co., Paternoster-row. REMARKSon the ART of MAKING WINE, with Suggestions for the Application of its Principles to the Improvement of Domestic Wines. By JOHN MACCULLO(I-1, M.D. F.It.S. The Third Edition. _ Also, by the same Author, A Get.logical Claiisiticati,ni of Rocks, comprisinie the Elements of Practical GeoloKy. Also, by the same Author, A System of Geology, in Two Volumes, Svo, PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY P 2. ROYAL ASSENT. The LOWE, CUANCELLOR, the Etirl of SHAFTESBURY, and Viscount MELVILLE, as his Maty's Commissioners, brought down the Royal Assent to the Warehousing Bill, the Merchant Vessels' Apprentice Bill, the Edinburgh and Glas gow Union Canal Bill, and several private Bills. Mr. BROOIEN and others brought from the Commons the Union Duties' Bill, the Quorum Magistrates' Bill, the Liver pool Gas Light Bill, and several private - Bills, which were read a first time. The SPLENDID LIBRARY of the late ROBERT HEATH cam, Esq. Part the First. 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Purchasers are requested to ask for ' 4 l ,Watson's Horse and nog Medicines;' and to observe his name and address on the dirretiOns and labels, to prevent impositions. SLAVERY. . _ Earl GROSVENOR presented two petitions from the Mayor, Burgesses, and Inhabitants of the Borough orSh a ft es . bury, praying, the one for an alteration in tht Insolvent Debtors' Act, and the other for the Abolition of Slavery in the Colonies. He appealed to the humanity of the . House - whether 800,000 Slaves should be left in the state in wbicii they now ex isted in the Colonies, deprived even of the right of contracting marriages, and that of giving evidence, and not allowed time to attend to their religious duties. He hoped and trusted that a Bill would be brought up from the other House to re q !nd the condition of so many unfortunate beings. The Petitions were then read and laid on the table. The iiiiar9ui;Of LANSIRYtirN presented a petition to the same effect trom the Presbytery of Annan, in Seoclancl.—Laid on the table. _ The Earl of HAREWOOD presented a similar petition from the Inhabitants of Sheffield.—Laid on the table. The Charitable Societies Loan Bill went through a Commit tee, and was ordered to be reported with amendments. FRANCE AND SPAIN. The Order of the Day having been read, Earl GREY rose. When he reflected on the importance of the war between Spain and France, on the manner in which it might aflect this country, and on the dangers with which it threatened the general peace of Europe, he trusted that their Lordships would feel the necessity of obtaining the fullest information upon every point connected with we subject.— Having said this, he should not think it necessary to apolo gise for troubling them with several motions this night for ad ditional Papers. The first related to the capture of a Spanish ship by a French cruiser, which must have sailed and have had orders to capture, at the very time when the French Go vernment was most profuse of its assurances of a wish to maintain peace. It had been said in another place, that as soon as the fact had been known, an application had been made to the French Government, and satisfactory answers, as far as they went, had been returned. More time hail now elapsed, and nformation of a more decisive nature had probably been re. ceived. He wished that it should be produced, and should be, happy to find that it contradicted the charge, and effectually relieved the French Government from such an act of robbery and plunder. His next motion should relate to the Proclama tion issued since the commencement of the war by the Spanish Junta, established, or at least supported by the Duke of An gouleme. That Proclamation declared that all acts done by the present Government of Spain since 1820, were null and void. The consequence would be, that all engagements entered into by that Government with foreign Powers, and amongst the rest that concluded with us for the satisfaction of our merChants' claims, would be null and void. He hoped that his Majesty's Ministers would be able to shew that such a proclamation had not re. ceived the sanction of France, or that if it had, they had made proper representations on the subject to the Frepch Govern ment. Ile should therefore move for copies or extracts of all information received respecting that proclamation—of all re presentations made by the British Government upon it—and of the answers returned to those representations. The third point to which lie shank! draw their Lordships' attention related to the situation in which France stood with respect to the Sovereigns of the Holy Alliance. It was most important to know whether she was acting at present in perfect concert with theni, sure of their support if she needed it, or whether she was engaged in a strictly national war. Betrayed as our interests hadsbeen, and exposed to so much danger as we were in conse quence of the misconduct of his Majesty's Ministers during the late negociations, lie felt called upon to say something on the subject, but should first establish his right to say it. The Noble Earl opposite had alluded some time since to his former opinions with respect to Spain, for the purpose of making it appear that they were inconsistent with those which be now entertained. An attack bad alto been made upon him in another place, for what purpose he knew not : but as it was of consequence to him that lie should not be made to ap pear a man of such light principles, as to be turned,with every change of the wind, and as it was of consequence also that the cause which he advocated should not be prejudiced by any imputed inconsistency of his, he should beg leave to refer to the cyinion which he had tintertained and expressed on the Spanish question in 1810. He had then contended, that in order to justify a declaration of war, it was not only necessary to establish the justice of the cause, but that the interests of the country were involved in it, and that means existed of acting with effect. Those principles were not principles for the day or the morrow ; they were for all times. He then read several passages from his speech in 1810, to show that there was not one word which intimated a want of readiness to support the cause of Spain. - . The . quotation made in another place had been done with an unfe lr view, to induce a belief that he had then recommended something like a shrinking from that cause, in which he had felt the most ferveat zeal. But he appealed to those friends around him, whether his heart had not been filled with indignation by the most unprincipled attack of Neapoleon upon Spam—no, not the most unprincipled, for it had since been equalled, and whether there was any assist ance which this country could give that he was not willing to afford. At the conclusion of that very speech, so far from re commending peace, he had said, - that " locking to the nature ' of' the contest, to the power of France, and to the spirit std character of the Government of that country, he was convinced that that event would be best promoted b showing that we lies sessed the means and the will to support the war." Ilis feelings, his opinions were the same-=the only differetiee was as to the most advantageous mode of carrying on a war which we. were bound to support. That his sentiments had always been the same towards Spain would been proved by the evidence of his private correspondence at the time, as well as by his public acts. It would be seen by his language, when moving in 1809 the censure of that House for the misconduct which had produced the misfortunes of Sir John hloore's expedition. If on consi dering the situation of England, Europe and Spain at the time, it did not appear to him that the interference of this country was likely to secure Spain or herself from 'danger, the opinion might be erroneous; but under the same circumstances he should still entertain it. The Noble Earl then described the state of the whole Continent in 1809, either incorporated with France, or yielding implicit obedience to her will, whilst the French armies were bombarding Cadiz. Ile read a letter front 4tar,shai-souit to Budder, describing the joy with which the inhabitants of Seville had witnessed the entrance of the French into their city, and the popularity of the Ring (Joseph Napo leon.) He really thought that the Secretary of the Duke of Angouleme had that letter before him when he composed his late dispatches. That showed however that all those appear• ances of welcome might exist, and yet that a real and ultimately a successful resistance might be maintained. Ile confessed that three events had then taken place which he had not foreseen. He had not foreseen that Napoleon would, for the first time, depart from the principle which he had observed in all his wars, that of finishing one thing before lie commenced another. He had not foreseen that he would have diverted the war from Spain to. Austria ; nor that after having used his main force to establish his continental system, he should have marched to attack Russia. He had said that Napoleon's invasion of Spain was perfidious and unjust; that of Louis XVIII. was no less per hdious and unjust, but it possessed a still more odious quality, ingratitude. Napoleon owed the sceptre which he wielded to his own prowess; but Louis XVIII. was mainly indebted to the bravery. perseverance,• and exertions of the Spaniards for his restoration to the throne, and yet it was against their coun try that he directed the power which he held from them ! Neither had he (Lord Grey) after witnessing the disgraceful convention of Cintra, the ruinous expedition to 'Welchem, and the disasters of Sir John Moore, foreseen the rising of that great military genius which hadrepaired all those errors and changed the fate of the war. Looking back therefore at the circum. stances of the times, he felt that under the same circumstances be should still hold the sanie opinions. Nobody khew . better what had always' been his sentiments respecting Spain, than the person who to get an 'advantage in debate had made an attack upon him, where he could not be to answer for him- ' self. It was most extraordinary that a person knowing his sentiments so well should have selected a partial extract to kintraet it with the opinions which he had lately expressed.— When in 1812 Mr. Verceval had been so unfortunately killed, the Noble Earl opposite had naturally sought to • strengthen his adininiseration ' an application had made a application to Mr. Can ning, who asked for time to consult his friends. On the 18th of May, 1812, Mr. Canning wrote ta the Noble Earl that he had consulted his Mends, and that they were of opinion that if he joined the Noble Earn' administration, he would incur such a loss of personal and public character as would defeat the intended object which was to strengthen the Cabinet. To become part of your administration,' said Mr. Canning, " with my previous knowledge of your determination to oppose the extension of emancipation to his Majesty's Roman Catholic "subjects, would be to sacrifice my fixed opinions," Sec. Ile (Lord Grey) did not .inquiie whetheiehlr. Canning had now chairged his opini one on t h at subject; but he did not believe that the Noble Lord opposite had. Neither did he think that his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack bad altered his, even to gain that summon bo:iu zn, the accession to the Cabinet of Mr. Canning, whom he hail lately wished well in any part of the world.—(A. laugh.)—But indeed, when he had read Mr. C.'s speech at Liverpool,he hail said at once, " Mr. Canning will not go to India, he will soon be in office." After Mr. Canning's refusal in 1812 to join the Noble Earl's adminis trationeen attempt was made to form a lt oget h er an ew one, and the Marquis of Wellesley and Mr. Cannighad made propositions to him (Esti (Grey) and to his Nobl e Friends, on the following conditions :—.lst. That the state of the laws respecting the Ca tholics should be taken into immediate consideration, with a view to the repeal of the disabilities under which they la. bottred.-2dly. That the war in the Peninsula should be pro secuted on a scale of adequate t igntir. It was riot necessary to say that the first of those propositions had their most un qualified assent. With respect to the second they stated that no one could feel more strongly than they did how desirable it was to bring the war to a successful termination, but that in their opinion it was a question,• not of principle, but of po licy to be regulated by circumstances by the prospect ef suc cess and by the means of the country. These answers had been so satisfactory both to Mr. Canning, and to the Mar quis Wellesley. that the latter had said in a letter to him (Earl Grey) " I cannot lose this opportunity, of assuring your Lordship, that from the sentiments which you have express • ed in your letter, if time advice which I shall think it toy duty to offer to the Prince Regent shoold prevail; it ap pears to me that a most promising prospect opens to the coun try, for securing its internal peace, and prosecuting the war with effect." That a person who was in possession of such evidence of his sentiments should have acted as he had done, was one of the most extraordinary occurrences which had yet happened, and he must add, one of the most unfair occurrences which had ever taken place in the political world. But enough and too much of that. The next motions which he should make would be for copies or extracts of any communications made by the Governments of Austria, Jimmie, and Prussia, to the Bri tish Government, of their intention to make common cause with France, and of the representations made in reply on the part of his Majesty's Government. Ile should also move for copies or extracts of similar communications reepeeting the as. sembling of a Russian army in Poland, thehalt of the Austrian troops in the Milanese, and the movements of Prussian corps in the Rhenielt Provinces, and'ofilhe representations ma d e by the British Government, in consequence of those demonstrations. The Noble Earl contended, that the production of those paper. was necessary to chew whether the present content was merely a national war between France and Spain, or one carried on, as he believed it was, on a common principle with the Allies. He then entered into a long examination of the manne r i n which the late negotiations had been conducted. Ile maintainediliat the Secretary for Foreign Affairs had Liken un d ue cre di t to himself, for having prevented t} Allies from anoint Declaration at Verona, as the separate notes which toy h a d sent enswereil the same purpoee. He should be glad to find, however, that the price of our neutrality had been, or was to be, the neuteality of the Allies. Ile thought ehat beeides wishing to put down free instituti ons , France was actuat ed in h er attack upon Spain by views of hostility towards us. He appealed as a proof of this, to the propositions secretly inade by France M the Spa nish Ministers, which were all inimical to our interests. Ile appealed to the speeches in the French Chambers, and to the fact that 101)0 men were now emplayedilaily in enlarging the basin at Dunkirk, the most dangerous position to this country which could he occupied by the French navy. lie asked whe. ther the Proclamation issued by the Duke of Angoulenie on entering Spain did not imply perfect reliance on th e a id o f t h e Powers of the Continent. Lie believed that a firm remonstrance made in time on the p ar t of this country might have pr evente d the war ; but if it bad not done that it would at least have placed us in a better situation. Great as those Powers were, they were still in some degree depeutlent on public opinion ; that of all Europe would have been with us, and would, if they had ven. tured to go to war, have shaken their thrones to their founda tions. He feared that the Royalist party in Spain, though weaker if lett to itself, might with the aid of a French army produce a counter-revolution. Ferdinand would then be re stored to his despotic throne, with the mockery of a Constitu tion ; he would become a Member of the confederacy against The Earl of LIVERPOOL should oppose the Noble Earl's motion, because lie had not made any Parlianientary ground for them. At the same time he should give such explanation as he trusted would fully answer the Noble Earl's oh. ject. With respect to the captere ok a, Spanish veesel by the French ship the Jeern.Berrt, the .Rreneh Government had shown the greatest anxiety, even before arii applica tion had been made to them, to say that they bad - no know_ ledge of the act, and afterwards to declare, in answer to Sir Charles Stuart's inquiries, that no order whatever had been given to the French Admiralty to make captures— Within a few days intelligence bad been received from our own Commander in the West Indies, that instead of 'oc curring in consequence of orders from the French Govern ment, the capture of the Spanish letter of marque had been occasioned by her attacking the Jean-Bart, at night, when the latter, as it was perfectly justified in doing, fought and took her. With respect to the Proclamation of the Provisional Spanish Government, he would say that we had no commu. nication whatever with that Government, that the Proclama tion had not been transmitted to us by that of France, which, on the contrary, completely denied the fact of the Proclama tion. With regard to the consistency of the Noble Karl's opi: nions, it had never been meant to say.that he bad not had the feeling of a pan and of an Englishman when the original attack was made upon Spain; but that whilst his opinions and his conduct were then consistent together, his present opinions and conduct were no longer soe The question now was, whether he was prepared to give them effect in the only way in which he could give them effect, and on that the question of war or peace depended. Ceeetainly after the glorious defence of his Noble Friend (the Duke of %Vellgton) at Torres Vedras, the Noble Earl had made some altffation in his sentiments, yet the whole tenour of his speech in 1812 was to throw cold water upon the contest in Spain. He had blamed the em. ployement of our whole military force in the Peninsula, but was there a place where it could have been better employed ? lie would not say that the victory of Europe had been gained, but it had been begun there. The battle of Salamanca had en couraged the Russians to resist, and that of Vitoria, he knew, had caused the armistice of 1813 to terminate as it hail done, the Allies to come forward again, and the important day of Leipe;c to be gained. The Noble Earl then defended the conduct of his Majesty's Ministers during the late negociations. As to the es sembling of armies, it had certainly been stated that Russia bad collected troops in Poland, and Austria detained hers in the Milanese, but he saw no reason to believe that those Powers had any object in view but of a defensive nature. At all events those armies were assembled within their own territories, where they had a right so have them. lie combatted the idea, that any threat could have prevented France from going to war, whether her motives be fear or ambition__ What would she have cared for the capture of a few fisher. men, and of a colony or two. The time was passed. when such considerations could have weighed. It would be useless to go to war for Spain unless a British army. be sent there.— If France possessed all the means she ought to possess to enable her to go through this contest, what, he would ask of those who condemned what had been done, ought this country to do?-- He knew it was easy to answer—send the Noble 'Juice near him with an army to Spain. He very well understood the logic of those who could recommend such a course ; and he also very well understood that it would be certain to secure our own individual glory. But beyond that he could go no far ther. As for the counsel given by the Noble lewd opposite, be spoke with the utmost sincerity when he said, that he con. :tittered it the most unwise that any reflecting man could offer, or any responsible man accept. If this country were to go to war for Spain, it must go to war in Spain, and with all the energies of the country. But when he heard this advice he could not, help recollecting words which had come from the 1 same quarter in the course of the last war in Spain, and that too at some of the most critical periods of it--and he asked their Lordships had they not all heard rwith him of " husbanding their resources." (Hear, hear !)—, That was what be (the Earl of Liverpool) advised them to do now—he said " husband your resources"—for that purpose preserve the peace, and if you do go to war, do it like men. (Hear hear, heart)--In t the latter sentiment he was glad to have the concurrence of the Noble Duke near him, and of another great authority in such cases; who were or opinion with him that it would little suit the taste of this. country, or of them, to be subjected to sit passively by anti see all the great chalices of a great contest go by them without the possi bility of their putting up for them. No man that be had ever seen who was successful in war, but what was a lover of peace. Ile did not quarrel with the Noble Lord's general semi ' rnent ; but of its application in 'lBlO ; for he looked at the ad dress, and he did not find one word there about Spain, Portugal, or the war. But in 1810, we were at war without the hope of being ~:aeon at peace, and then we had nothing to do but take the best place for the scene of our exertions. Now, however, the case was so fat different, that we were at peace, and now, there fore, it was that the prudential maxims of the Noble Lord ought to apply rather than in the other and opposite case. But be sides this, the state of Spain itself was very different in 1808 to what it was at present. Then it was an united country, and there was no difference of sentiment as to the contest going on. Was that the case now ? Were there not two parties at least, and were they not equally balanced, the one as strongly against a Constitution as the other was in favour of one ? Was it not a country where the enthusiasm of' those who were engaged to pull down the Constitution was as strong as those who were opposed to them on the opposite principle ? Ile undertook to say that it was so. But he did not state this to justify the French in the part they were playing. He stated it for other purposes—as a fact seriously affecung questions of justice and policy. An army now landed in the Peninsula would not be embarked with Spain egainst France, but with a part of Spain only. They knew very well which was the cause that had Ferdinand nominally at its head, but they -did not kr.ow which was the real Spanish cause. Was it not then under such circumstances a matter of consideration how we embarked in a war having one part of the country securely joined with us in the cause and in theevent P The same reason. ing, therefore, he contended, could-Dot be applied to two dif ferent situations. In 1808 the country was at war : in 1823 it was not at war. In 1808 we had a united country to engage with us, and for whom we engaged ; in 11323 we had a divided country. When he said that, he said all that could be urged on the score of prudence, and he left their Lordships . to judge how the question of war ought to bed a eci t d s e u d e . ces N s. otw u n , l h ose cn at t id he e ing what had been said, he must confess that he l oo k e d w i t h the Mlle apprehension at failure, as late Ruler of France made war upon his neighbours, he not only pained myriads into the country of his enemies, but he made that country support the war—he made every war sup port itself. As he got possession of each country that he at tacked, he drew soldiers from it, not to carry on the contest against its own interests, but to serve in some other war. Thus it was that that individual made the war feed itself. Their Lord. ships would not be backward in perceiving the distinction be twixt the eases of the late wars of France and the present one. Let them consider what expense that country woud be put to-- and let them consider that her permanent security, reputation, and power were engaged in a contest which threatened to ex flatlet her means and resources. The whole doctrine of the Noble Lord opposite mime to this—you must go to war, be= cause etnnething may happen, God 'knows what, which may render it necessary._( Hear, bear o—Now, he (the Earl of Li verpool) said, wait till that something, God knows what, an. rive.—(llenr„ hear was for taking the present good, for coloying the present advantage. He saw no difficulty which this country could not face, and successfully overcome, if the proper Course were taken at present He said, enjoy, es far as we can, the blessing* of peace, preserve it if possible; hilt it we go to war, do not look fora cheap war, do not think it will end with one campaign. When once the scabbard is thrown away no man can tell how long the contest may last—how nitwit it may cost.. Prepare for war, and when it comes go into it like men ; and for that purpose hitsband yoUr resources; now. When war was once lit up in Europe there was no say ing when it night end. It was the just positron of this country to do all.in its power to prevent war in Europe. We wished not to excite daesention for the sake of profiting by it—we wished peace for all. It was said by the Noble Lord that the Holy Alliance were engaged in a war against the liLertics cif mankind. He really had not expected any thing so chimerical from him. It was well known this Government did not concur in many of the principles put forth by the Holy Alliance, and no opportunity had been omitted of informing them of our dis sent. If there were dangers on the one hand of arbitrery Go vernments, he could not conceal from himself that there were also dangers on the other, in new and arbitrary doctrinec---- ( Hear i)—Our position ought to be in such a case, moral—po litical as well as military. The Noble Earl concluded by de. daring his dissent from the motion before the House. Lord HOLLAND thoughathe Noble. Earl who had just tat down was pushing the good oppinion which he, in corjenction ',yid) the rest of their Lordships, entertained of his talents, when, in order to dissuade them from war in Spain, one part of his speech was employed in detailing to them the successes of the British arms in that country, and in anotie r part ad dressing an English House of Lords, in trying down the wooden walls- -of Old England, in favour of military enter. prises. The argument, heldeea of the Noble Earl, made as much one . way c as r wrother. For instance, he called upon the= gravely to consider that a war in Spain would not he e cheap war, arid that nothing but our utmost exertions would do - so such a contest, and then be immediately turned rotnid and said, you know not what the Spaniards can do by thentselves. Then egain as to the great exertions we were to make, in his opinion the Noble Earl greatly underrated the value of the alliance of this country. lie said very truly, that if one brie {ado were landed in Spain, we became principals m the war. But were we but to appear in the scene in any shape, it would spread dismay and consternation. " Let but Achilles on the mound appear, And all the host of Troy consent to beer." And well might he say so ; for we had our Achilles,, EMT \Tule Cans, and our Neptunes, the victors over the sea and, land. The Noble Lord, the President of the I'rivy Council had told them that France would not dart attack Portugal ; for the knew that if she did England wou ld b e upon h er b ac k, dud 'England would become a military Power on the Continent, and that a fleet would he sent to her West India Celoniee. How was it then, if this were the case, they were told that a naval force would be °inn use to the Spaniards ? How was it that it would not do as well for the march to Madrid, as the attack upon Portugal ? History had shewn that the 'natural warfare of the Spaniards was in their mountain-parties, and their cone tests in the recesses of their country. When left to themselves, the Spaniards were unconquer a bl e . W hen the Noble Earl spoke of the inutility of a British force in Spain, because it was a divided country, be should recollect that when the last British force landed there, every fortress was in the hands of the enemy. He could almost' think the greet. poet. of an. tiquity had a foresight or kn ow l e d ge o f t h e Weirs of Spain. when he made the goddess descend from Heaven to advise how the weak should attack the strong —a part whish the bad taste of Mr. Pope had induced him not to trunslate.— Homer made the goddess inspire her hero wi t h t h e co ura g e o f a fly, with that insatiable love of blood, that often beaten off always returned to the attack. The Noble Lord in allusion to the Congress of Verona observed, that in our negociations with Foreign Powers we sometimes had the character of great moralists, sometimes of great jurists, but, never of skilful di. plomatists for the interests of Great Britain. The Noble Earl opposite said in substance with reference to the present war, that if France had the power she would succeed with regard to Spain, and have all the honour belonging to it. But it wss the same thing whether France did it single-handed or not ; for if she fell back in defeat she would be supported by horde* of Northern Barbarians, ready, even now to overrun the "Western States," anti the honour of the conquest of Spain . would be divided amongst four of five Powers msteed of or.e Thus it would be just the same for .Spain either way. The Noble Fail boasted of the British achievements at Congress e in preventing a joint Declaration of the Powers against Spain; but with this view of the case, what was the value of it ? It reminded him of it ridiculous awry of a Frenchman, whose friend was sick, and sending for an unmerciful quack, he advised the sick man to take forty pills, whieh he gave him. The Frenchmen succeeded in dissuading his friend from taking more than five by way of trial; but these five were of such a drastic nature, that after ltarraesiog the poor patient for a few days, he died. tt Now," said the Freecie. man, " how fortunate I advised him to - take only five; ter just consider what would have been the consequence had he taken the whole forty."—(Laughter.)—Thus it wes with the Noble Earl's joint declaration, it would come to the ..!nle end. As far as English interest were concerned, it was ire., possible Spain could be too democratic. It was a proverb in the mouth of every peasant and muleteer in Spain—" Peace with England, and war with all the world beside;" and this went deep into the hearts of all people in that country. lia strongly deprecated the conduct of this country to its old ally, Portugal, especially in forbidding her to join in the war with Spain against Prance. 4 11 e should prefer going to wir to ale lowing the French to trample on the liberties of tenaie, or le, the opposite shores to Ireland getting into the hands of thole religious fanatics calling themselves the Bands of the Faith. The honour of this country demanded, either that of Veiona; we should have declared that an attack upon Spain would be answered by our appearance in arms, or have abstained alto• gether from the discussion, and left the Coegress. Although it did not properly belong to the subject, he could not conclude without - again protesting against the course pursued by the Go vernment of this country with respect to Spain. Lord ELLENBOROUGH thought that the Noble Earl op. posise agreed so far with the Noble . Lords who spoke on Ili* side of the House, in their premises, that he could not but agree in their conclusions. It was not only the conduct of the Holy Alliance as regarded Naples, Piedmont, and Spain nor their conferences at Troppau, Laybach, and Verona, that justi fied a jealousy as to their principles. It was their whsle con duct, including the internal regulations, ever since the peace of 1814, that naturally excited di trust, and the cesitvictiou that they were united against the liberties of Europe. It wes a mistake to suppose the policy of this country was to bncotne principal in a land war. The ancient policy had always been that we should send an auxiliary. A small squadron to the coast of Catalonia just now would be worth more than 1200 men, by reason of the military difficulties of the conetry.— There were three great - points in Spain now occupied by Spa nish troops, which would adroit of . successful naval 'aid being altrded. He could not 'view this war as a contest between France and Spain; he must consider it as a consecutive war of the Holy Alliance. It was a war which threatened the eon. ailtutitution of this country more than any other. Ile could not think it was the policy of this country to remain neuter in contests between despots and free people. Against that policy he protested as dishonourable to England. Lord CALTHOItI'E supported the motion. He took a review of the British negociatioas at Verona, expressing it hope that peace might be preserves!, but deprecating the mild tone in which our expostulations were made. He strongly reprehended the conduct of France, but he could not but think that her's was a war more of fear than aggrssition. Yet had it been-pointed out to the faction which had urged that coup , try to her present iniquitous conduct, that it was l i k e ly to b r i ng the reigning family into jeopardy, it would probably hav e b een prevented. He did not, however, mean to blame his Majesty's Government fey having preserved the blessings of peace to the country. The questionl was then_ put, and the Address negatived with.• out a division ; and the House adjourned at Ten o'clock. hOUSE OF COMMONS. The Deputy Usher, of the Black Rod euromotted the House to the House of Peers. The SPEAKER, on his return, stated the Royal Assent to have been given by Commission to the Warehousing Rill, and several private-bills. SOUTHAMPTON PETITION. Mr. JA H %' I 5 presented a petition from Owners anti Occu. piers of Land in the County of Southampton., complaining of Agricultural distress, and praying for a Reform in Parliament, and an equitable arrangement with respect to the Palk :Debt and Church property. Bir T. BA HINU supported the petition, which hail been voted at one of the mast ntutierouttly and mast orderly courti , meetings he had ever seen. It was often said that the driers Of that House were always wide open to all petitions, hut this van of little importance if the people were prevented . by ptrsons without from approaching their doors. This foul been at. tempted in the present instance, but in vain. The Sherif had declared that he commit:red it to be inconsistent with his duty to call the meeting desired. In consequence of this he (sir T. Baring) had given his ranee, in conjunctinn with four