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miry, heir Lordships. should, in justice, to them selves, have pass a Bill t- , roagh that House, £n:l to send it for the concurrence of the other. A vlriety of circumstances occurred in the course of the pr-sent Session, which tended to render it inconvenient-to take up the subject before; but he felt the 'necessity of taking soMe steps so strongly, that be wished his Noble Friend would come forward orr.the occasion/ late as the period , pf the Session was, .and looking.also at the con sVteration. that nothing may be done in the nest Sessioli unless some preliminary steps were adopt ed in the present ; and he earnestly wished that the subject suight be taken up in ,the:present Ses sion, and speedily brought under their Lordships consideration.- Earl 611.1:y felt, 'in :common with the Noble Lords, the foree of the evils which resulted from the delays in the administration of justice. But as the measure had been delayed so long, he must deKecate its.ngitation at a pertod of the Session, when .a due attendance could not be expected. Before any proceedings were adopted, he, holy . over, -thought it would he necessary to ascertain the-precise 'nature and cause of the grievance of which they complained. -. ‘l.vbether" or not it were referable to such an increase of business in the Court of 'Chancery, as rendered it impossible for :the present. Chancellor to discharge his duty in the samemanner as former ChancellOrs had done; to the ilatisfaction of the public. He meant not the least refitction upon, 'the *Noble Lord on the Wooliack, but he really thought it proper that full information should be obtained as to 'these points, before any remedied measure was resolved , upon. Lord REDESD.tLE and the LORD CHANCELLOR spoke 'at considerable length in explanation; and .for the present the subject was dropped. A corifeyenee Was held with the Com Mons, which respected the .amendments made by their "LOrdThips in the Whitby Harbour 33111. Their Lordships deputation was headed by the Duke of Montro,;e, who laid the report of the conference - upon the table. ORDERS IN COUNCIL. Earl FITZ WILLIAI adverted to. the evidence which had been adduced a .26. 4' their Lordships' bar, in • respect of the allegatioW in the various Yeti :tion, a , d which, he thought, fully established those allegatious.. Under' the present circum stances he dia, not feel it necessary to bring for ward the subject to their Lorlships' consideration in the way "he had intended. it was matter of great conriatulation, and likely to produce, the happiet effects, that his Majesty's Ministers had thought proper to renounce 'the error of their former conduct; and adoptesl measures that tend ed to restore to their formercomfortsthe numbers of distressed \ and 'unhappy manufacturers from thaedeplorable situation in which the impolicyof . ISlinsters had placed them. The Earl of LIVERPOOL begged leave to aver, on the part of his Majesty's Government, that they had not renounced the system of policy which had - been adopted : on the contrary, they consi dered, that the measures which they advised as retaliatory upon the enemy, and which had been commenced by an antecedent Administration, were attended with the most beneficial effects. 'What the measures were which led Ministers to adviie his Royal llighness the Prince Regent's conduct on the present crisis, it would not now be regular to inquire into, on such an intimation as that given by the Noble Earl. Undoubtedly, under the preient circumstances, and .in conse quence of a measure recently adopted by the French Government, it was deemed advisable by his Majesty's Government, With reference to mea sures to be adopted at both sides of the water, to, repeal the Orders in question, as far as' respected .American ships ; and this proceeding may lead to that species of understanding which may induce beneficial results to the commerce of the country. ‘Vhat the conduct of Government would be, in case these expectations were disappointed, .it was neither proper nor necessary to state then. • He would only state, that his Majesty's Government had reserved to themselves the full right and power of again recurring to the system, should events :render it necessary: The Marquis of LANgDOWNE asserted, that the 'Conduct of Ministers evinced to every person of common sense and observation, ,an adnusiion on their paitS,-that it was the light thrown on the Subject Of the Orders 'in Council by the recent in quiry that had induce. theirjecentmeasures, and not arly declaration made by the French. Govern ment, as - now referred to by the Noble Earl.— What he rose for, was for , the purpose of .submit ting a motion, to which , he conceived no ObjeC tion would be made, viz.'for the production of the efocument lately issued by the Prince Regent. It *as, however, with no hostile view he thus came forward; on the contrary, he was happy in offer ing his humble tribute of approbation of that Measure: it was satisfactory to this Country, and' it ought to be satisfactory to the United States of America. But it was in this instance only that he approved of the conduct of Ministers : they might have rendered unnecessary the exposure which took place at their' Lordships' ba'r, sheaving to the world and the people of the United States, the mischiefs 'Which may arise to the manufacturing interests of this country by the- stoppage of the trade with America, and by which itivas possible that the United States may be induced to presume too much, and wish to go - bcyond that line which the maritime rights and honour of this country prescribed ; and he hoped . he might be allowed to state that no person lv,ould feel more anxiety than be himself to support Government in resisting such demands. The Noble Marquis then moved au Addres's to is Royal Highness the Prince Re- gent, praying, " that a Copy of- tire Declaration, iwaeciby command of his Royal Highness on the 23d tine, 1812,, be laid before the House." This, on the question being put, was at once ordered by the Hot6e, and their Lordships, after forwarding the Bills upon the table—AdjoUrned till to-rnoriow. HOUSE OF COMMONS, VirEDXESDAY. The Licenses went 'through a Committee, an - t 1 the Report was ordered to be received to morrow. The fcor Di::":;tors Lill wag read a third time The Report on the Loan Bill was takcn into further consideration, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. The Exr.ise Duty Bill, the Assessed Thxes Bill, and the Post Duty Bill, were tacit read a second time and c:-,lnraittedlor to-morrow. The Sonth - ern ,Whale Fi:thery Bill went thl'ougli a Committee, and the Report, was ordered to be received to -in orro w. The Irish Spitits and Irish Butter Bills were read a second •time, and committed for to-mor row. ' The Irish Customs Regulation Bill was read a third time s and passed. The Irish Treasury Bill of 500,0001. was read 4,second time, and committed for to-morrow. ,On the, motion of Lord JOCELYN, several Pa pers relating to the Civil List Revenue were or dered to be' laid before the Fiousg. surpLY. The foll6wingßesolutions on the several miscel laneous Charges were voted in the Committee of Supply, with other smaller sums : To discharge certain Treasury Bills for the ser vice of Ireland, 1:00,000/.. For the same purpose, 216,0001. For the local Naval A5y1u0i,23,457-/. For the British Museum, with an, additional grant of 1000/. for the purchase of books, 7,4581. For Printing, the .Tournals, 4,5301: For building a. new. BethLein Hospital in St. George's Fields, 11,5851. For therommissioners of PubliC.Atecor s, 69101. • For Arrears on Mr. Ptdiner's r Centage, 78,3441. INLAND NAVIGATION OF IRELAND. Sir J. NEWPORT begged leave to call the atten tion of the House to le subject of the inland na vigation of Ireland, as managed by Commissioners appointsd wilder an Act of Parliament. The evils of which -he complained eNisted in the system„ not in the Commissioners. He stated that out of 179,000/. which was expended under their direc tion, 76,9401. was appropriated to their own sa laries and those of the Engineers, and that exclu siVe of those to the Engineers, their own salaries amounted to 57,000/. He 'concluded with inov-' ing a string of resolutions recording these facts, and' proviii4t that the works should in fa tare be coaducted Ira the Treasury Board of Ire land. • Mr. W. Pot.a, said, from the' statement of the Right Honourahle Baronet, he did not know . whether he meant to blarhe the Government or' the Commissioners ; the former had only com plied with an Act of Parliament, authorizing the appointment of three Comm;ssioaers, and fixing their Salaries ; therefore he did not see how any iMputation could be thrown' upon the Govern. meet ; and with respect to the 'Commissioners; he called upon the Right Hon. Baronet to point any one instance in which he 'thought they had neglected their duty, or acted improperly; „he 'would Cheerfully concur in voting for the produc tion of any documents that might be necessary to elucidate the case, and would be ready to meet the Right Hon. Baronet in the charge. He really believed, that there was no Public Board, the business of which was conducted in a manner more advantageous to the public.. than this very Board. With regard to the venerable Chairman of that Board, Mr. Sackville Hamilton, a more able, diligent, and honourable public officer did eNdst, The Right Hon. Baronet had stated, that the Act of Parliameut under which this Board was appointed, was calculated to make then' ne glect their duty, by making it their .. interest to keep the public money in their hands as long as possible. He begged to state distinctly to the House, in justice to the Gentlemen composing this Board, that they were not actuated by any such motives ; for, if all the Clans which they had submitted to Government, for laying out the money gr&nted for Inland Navigation, had been adopted, . the whole of, it would have been ex pended, and the Board could.not now have been in existence. The Right, Hon. Baronet seemed to think that this Board had "but little duty to perform, but in that he was coMpletely mistaken ; that they were most laboriously and usefully em ployed, appeared from 'the various papers before the House; they had the charge of several Navi- . gations, they had an extensive correspondenee to carry on • it 'appeared to him, therefore, , ex tremely hard that ' this • kind of, general charge' shonld be thrown out against them: He repeated, if the Right Hon. Baronet had any thing specific to state against the condaCt of the Board, let him do so, let him' call for Papers, and he (Mr:. Pole) would be at all times ready to meet him. If the House wished it, he had no objeetion to the pro duction of an account of all the money expended. under the direction of thisßoard. The Rya Hon„ Baronet had talked 'of the great signs expended for salaries : those of the Conunissiohers and,Se cretary were, as he before said, fixed by Act of Perliamcnt ;" but the Right Hon. Baronet seemed to forget that a great number of Clerks and 'Of-; ficers were employed at the different navigations which 'were " Under' the superintendance of this Board, 1-vl:licit occasioned very . great expense.--- With regard to the plan Of transferring the ma nagement of the Inland Navigation :to the Lords of the Treasury, he could only say that it would he utterly impossible for them to- undertake such a charge without the assistance of such a Board as that now in existence. Hp concluded with moving the previous question. • i • • Mr. PARNELL went into the history of the pre sent system, and contended', that if half a million had been advanced to the Irish. Canal Company,' they might have been enabled to t4-..1fil their . en gagements, and the country, instead ,of being a loser of 500,0001. would probably have been a gainer by that, or by a greater sum. • He did not blame the Commissioners, ,but he thought the present plan ought to be got !rid of altogether. This, appeared to hint to be essential to the in terests of Ireland. If recurring to the old prac tice,, and leaving the improvements wanted in the inland navigation to be made by private indivi- duals or companies, under proper controul, .he was: confident every part of Ireland would soon be accessible. ' , , , Lord CASTLEREAGH, speaking on the experi ence-of ten.yeafs, was perfectly convinced 'ofthe wisdom of the present system. Nothing could be greater than the vices of the old one; as it,had boon &mud that Parliarnont anti G n v rnmpnt were so incapable of judging of the plans laid be -fore them, or rather they had been so frequently misled that great sums had been expended on public - works, which were carried on,- with the i*lst profound ignorance, such as ..Engineers pxo jecting splendid canals and finding no water,,,&e. The''ptublic had thui been very' considerable Ibsen, and in consequence the establishment of the pre sent Board had been thought necessary Since its institution no public works bad been conlmenced which it was found impracticable to complete, as was formerly,often the case. Fe had no reason to be ashamed of that Institution of which he was considered as ' the founder, and feeling, as he did, he should certainlwiote for the previous question, Mr. PArertitm, explained. Mr. W. FITZGERALD Sill& thilt, far froth being ashamed of the Institutitin, he thoug-ht`the Noble Lord had reason to congratulate himself on being its founder, as the country owed very consider able advantages to--it. Sir J. NEwPon;r Wished all parts of the-Empire to be more assimilated thari they were at present, and thought if large sums could .be 'granted in England for public improvements, • without im posing burdens on the people, it ought not on jilt grodnds to be thought impracticable to ,do the same in Ireland. He (lid not t iink the Board of Commissioners deserved all the praise Which had been given by the lnst Speaker. Mr. W. FITZGERALD explained. Mr. W. Pole defended thc! conduct of the Board of Treasury, Sir J..X.EWPORT read certain Accounts of Re ductions made b them of Fines. . , Mr. W. FITZGERALD complained of the sßoara of Treasury being thus incidentally attacked. They were ready to • meet any charge that might be brought again6t theta. The House then divided, when we understood tbe numbers to beL- For the Motion Against Majority in favor of the previous question —33 ' When strangers Were again admitted; • Mr. M. FITZGERALD_ was addressing the House respecting the Tithe on Potatoes in Ireland. He wished to introduce a Bill to alter the law in this "respect. It might be argued that'such aincasure would be an invasion of Church property, `by those Who conceived the Church to be, intitled to one-tenth of the produce of the land. ,ln, this principle, however, he could not concur. He did . not conceive the Church to be intitled to. one tenth of the produce of the -land. - That it had, was never established by the law of the land, nor by the general practice of Ireland, except in the cases of extraordinary extortion. By the old Statutes, the tithes were to be appropriated to making a prOvision for the poor of. 'the parish, arid they were Also made applicable to various other purposes, to which"purposes they. were now no longer applied Hence he inferred, that by law the Clergy were not intitled to one-tenth of the produce of the land. He concluded by mOV ing for leave to • bring in a Bill for the better ascertaining the titheS on potatoes in 'lreland.• Lord CASTLEREAGg was against the measure, Rs it went to aninvasion of the rights .0.1 Church. In a conversation with the Honourable . Gentleman, he had consented to his brinving in . the Bill under something of a misconception, Having consented to its being. brought .in,: he should not oppose the motion, bUt he wished to' enter his solemn protest against.the principles on which it went, and to state that in a future Ses sion he could'not concur with the Hon: Gentle man in the view which he took of the rights of the Church. - - Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) thought that the present timewas the most inauspicious the H,on. Member could hare chosen, for agitating the presgnt question., - Mr. FITZGERALD said, that •his Bill would recognize the ri;hts of the Clergy in their full. sense according to the pre sit law, awl OerefOre could not - he construed into an inva sion of the rights of the Protestant Clergyman : be discla.itu ed the adoption of .any French theories to which he had al ways b'een adverse. • Mr. W. POLE felt himself called upon to say a very few words, in order to enter his most serious protest against the principleS laid down by the Right lion. Gentleman , (Mr. Firtegerald).. That Right Hon. Genteman had accused him of pushing the argument to an extremitY, because he LAI con tended that the Chlitch was.elititird to 1-tenth of the produce of the land. • He maintained that he was justified' in that'as section by every law authority, and it would he impossible to contradict it•withont violating every principle, of justice, and . destroying the most sacred rights of property. No measure relating to Tithes could he adopted with any regard-to justice, unless that principle - was admitted as a basis,' and therefore it was that he had - .rtlways. argued that it was impossible - to make any alteration with regard to the system of Tithes in.lrela.nd, without, either on the one hand, violating the rights of the Chinch or impropriatOr, or on the other, in= creasing the. burtliens of the poor. The principle laidAlown by the 'Right Honourable - Gentleman, would, if carc:.:Jl into effect, deprive the Clergy of thre&fourths of. their Tithes', that is to say of. property tO which they, had as giied a right by law, as any Gentleman had to' his estate. - He wished to know whether . the R;, g rit -1-lonouriible Gentleman meant to extend his Bill to'the ImpropriatorsOf Tithes, .(Mr. Vi4gerald said NI), then said Mr. Pole', see the justice of this measnre; the right of the Clergy and of the Impropriator to these Tithes are precisely the same, • .and yet the. Right . Honourable.pentlemariivoposes -to take them away from the one and leave them to the, other. And here he begged to state to, the House, that the Iraprooriators in Ireland, pos sessed one-third of all • the Tithes of the Kingdom.— The; Right • Honourable Gentleman had admitted, that in nearly one half 'of Ireland ti.e Tithe of -Potatoes ..was not paid ; nAv when in addition to that fold; it was known, that there ret i e no small ,Tithes in thatekingdom,.and the law (4 agisturent was taken intaeonsiderati on, - he (Mr. P.) surel r.vas inStified.in stating, on the preceding night, that the Tithes in Ireland were not to he'put 'in comparison with those of England, Mr. Pole concluded a most•able speech,. of which we have Only room. to give a faint sketch, by entering his ere testagainst this measure, as. One that was - wholly uncalled for : in the disturbances which 'had taken place in different Farts of - Ireland,' this subject had never been mentioned; ?yat he protested against it more strongly, as involving one of the most violent and grossest violations of the rights'of property that had ever been proposed. - , • Mr. PARNZ.M. stated, the opinions of Doctor Paley, Mr. Pitt, and . O.:ier eminent persons, were in favour of a Comm station of Title's. The ClTANcEt,t;oft of the EXCTIEQUER was friendly to the object of the Bill, and therefore should not oppose the "bring ing of it in. - - _ . Ir. . Robinson, - Sr J. Newport, -.Mr. W. Dundas, and Lord; Castlereagh, made a few oblervations, and Mr. Fitzgerald re plied. . . The SOLICITOR-GENERAL declared he never heard a mea sure more objectionable In some respetts. - ' - Leai't was then given to bring in-the Bill.. i . COMMITTEE OF :SUPPLY. , . . Lord STANLEY rose to move that a stun not exceeding five thousand pounds, should be granted to Mr. Crompton, for his invention of a machine to:facilitate the spinning of cotton. It appeared from the evidence. of witnesses who bad been ex amined in a Committee above stairs, that our cotton trade had increased, within the last thirty,years, as twenty to one, and that one-half, or nearly two-thirds of that increase, was attributable to the machine for mule spinning, invented by Mr. Crompton. Mr. BLACKBURN supported the motion, as did also the ii.ivrrt/ nn syS shel V.VriZ4tITVPR an.i Sr_ 11.111/11,2 when the. sum was umnitioluls- voted, and the Report or-'.! dered.to be received to-morro.w (this day). . The Report of the Riat Bill was taken it.to further cons►'. deration, when two additional Olausos , were proposed bt. lijr. Ryder, and the - Bill ordered to be read a third time ta morrow. MILTCANS BILL. The liouse tbtri resolved itself into a Committee \ upon, the Publicans' I'ew•ter Pot Bill. 1 2.1 r. D. Giddy and Mr. Croker opposed the clause probi!)it irig publicans from sending out pewter potS, which wa: ported by Mr. *Lithread, MrrSinith, Mr. Rose, and Sir 'i• Turton, acid carried ny a division of 26 to M. • The ntlicr clauses were then gone through, and the. 1:4111N -0 ordered to be. reported on Friday. In the Committee of Supply a Vote was graiited of five mils lions of :I.:tot:x:111er Bills for the service of the year. • Several other minor votes were agreed to. To be reported to-ox;rrow. The other Orders were disposed cif.—Adjourned. AItRiVED-1 Dublin, 2 Waterford. D'ur;-1 Cadiz, IWY terfor4 PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT TWELVE O'CLOCK. Consols . . 57if j Red. Anna 56i 56 j Oronium . li;' THE c' SWAM QUIS DICFIRE FAL,strivi ANDEAT ? L D 0 N, THURSDAY, JUNE 25, 1812.. This morning a Heligoland Mail arrived, whic l ` contains merely the following article : • HELIGOLAND, JUNE 10.—We still. ColltiO e ' completely occluded from all intercourse with til e opposite coast. We were in hopes that the jour ney of E.IIONAPARTE to the North, where it ic 3/ to be supposed his attention would be' en graq' ed, by the magnitude of the object of ambition in that quarter, • would have o f ' fered a facility to a communication egEtai l t desired by those On the neighbouring shores ' s ourselves. The system, however, continues to be followed up with, the same unrelenting and for upwards of a month we have bad 1 1 ° arrival from the coast Worth Mentioning. BarOn Kr.itoLi', who was sent back to the islal in a flag of truce, frvtn, Denmark, about six 'se e " ,so, and kept in confinement here ever since, - s 9ii ' ed on the ,17th inst. with the convoy for the bald tic, and is, it'is understood-, to be landed, by h 5 own desire, iaßlisia., We have made some further extracts - from tb-c Ge American. Papers which. arrived yesterday. Federal Party, Ire. rejoice to find; is goir• I ' l ; strength, and it is admitted in the G o vernri e ! Pipers that those•who were most loud in tbeif c:rtmours for war, find their courage: abate crisis approaches. - ," e$ ' According to recent accounts from Fo c 61 spirit of discontent prevails all over that coa t . i • but particularly in Brittany, occasionei in a g r l measure by a considerable advance in the pVc c Ef bread,,wltich had suddenly, risen from four tO 1:10/ teen sous per pound. The farmers, it is sai d ' _id De not bring their corn to market, lest it sho" — d ,seized by,the people. An event of tliis kind h it .. recently taken place at. Morltix, where the P ° Pa 1:0 lace seized the corn, and the military were obv e to suppress the tumult. But the discontent 01 t . tb people had been considerably augmented 1 /1 . c ri enormous exactions which the Corsican . ;Y lO : 0 , had ordered to be imposed throughout the cl e , try, and those • who are unable to pay imale dia t io ly ha l ve their goods seized and disposed of f i use of Government. It is even said, that 01-;litg i f guards are stationed on the coast, who d e P r ot the poor . _fishermen as they „arrive of ' ha lf 0 produce 'of their labours. It is farther 5 ,1 ',y that the Tyrant himself 'was so Much alar ll3e , , t Dt these appearances of popular discontent, tu g- o ii fore his departure' he had signified that 0 e;‘ e d dition would' be likely to ' accomplish 'a bey 0 0 peace. These accounts, we understand , t i , been confirmf4.l. by four persons who wer e tw ir soners in France, but recently m ade oc escape, and were found in an , open boat 14 0 ,1 Rientiship, Capt. LE SUEUR, between icrs c i '...0 I • tivi te v Gucrnsey. Two of these persons were inh abi A t ' of 'Nevis., aA the others .the Master and .--$ .the Calista, of London. • O P The ingratitude of the Party to their old °l, is as disgusting as their iato.:erance to thei r P ei ( tical Opponents•i a more striking instance °I 0 ,,t former we have never Seen: than in their of Mr. SHERID,6I.. Although we have 9 ` j iO O l uniformly entertained different political 0 1 3 : 1 , from that Gentler n, yet we have always 3 ed the splendour of his talents', and the Ifl t , firmness with which lie, upon .Somelnelp°l4:l • c o , occasions, where the vital interests of his - were concerned, distinguished himself by duct in _direct opposition to that of his Parry t ot t 0 we cannot without indignation hear tha who has, by the brilliancy of his talents, ad d 0 / only to the importance of his Party, b ut t c 9 h 0 reputation of his ountry, style by those Iv— , It ed themselves his friends, "a Court Buffoori• ti think, , perhaps, that Mr. SHERIDAN 11137 0 attacked without flan o•pr _ • and with equal.°