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them to strip the district of arms. At such a time he thoutht they should rather arm than dis arm the inhatitants. If, however, it was neces saq to search for - arms, 'why, if all was. right, could not the search be made by day as well as by nicht "? The . Bill was then read a second time; and committed 'for-to-morrow. Sonic conversation followed between Lords Sid nloutli and 'ilolland, respecting the • correspond •enee of Lieut.-General Maitland, Lord Holland., we understood, wished for its production, and Lord Sidmoutb stated that be should feel it his duty, to oppose any motion to that effect. On the Order of the Day being read for going into a -Cpnunittee on the Clandestine Marriage Bill, ,The LORD CHANCELLOR moved as an amend -melTt, that 'the House should go into. the Commit tee on that day three - Months. - The amendment was agreed to. The Bill of course is lost.--rAdjonrned. HOUSE OF COMMONS,.:-...THußsnay. The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod summoned • the House -to - the •House of Peers :. on their re turn, -the Speaker. intimated that the Royal As . - sent had ..been giVen by Comthission to several - Bills, for mhich see our Report of the Proceed - ings in - the House of Lords. . . • Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY presented a Petition from a person „named Daniel Isaac Eaton, a prisoner in Newgate; complaining of several grievances to. which he, was subjected in that gaol, and praying • for such redress as the HOuse, in its wisdom should, think fit. - Mr. WILSON begged to know whether the Hon. Baronet had inquired into the truth of the com plaints made by the Petitioner? . Sir S. ROMILLY said, that he had made no in quiry into the case, • neither did he cOnceive that it *as necessary that he should have inquired in - to the truth of the Petitioner's statements before presenting the Petition. He took that opportu-; nits- of stathig'it as his , decided opinion, that it vas necessary that. an inquiry should be made info the state of the :gaols throughout *- kingdom.. The Petition was then read, and ordered to lie. - on t.ie table. - Ihe Vote of -Credit Bill, the White Herrings Bill, and. the Agent-General of Volunteers Bill, were read a third time and passed. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Ex . CHE - QUER, Addresses were ordered to bepresent ed to his- Royal HighDess - the Prince Regent,: praying him to grant the usual remuneration to the different Officers of the House, viz. That., some dignity of the Church should be conferred - ou'the Rev. James Weber, Chaplain of the House; to S. R. Lushington, Esq.. the sulk. of 12001. ; • to Jeremiah - Dyson, Esq. 25001. ;. to John Henry Lee, Esq. Second Assisthnt Clerk, 20001. ; to G. Nichol', •Esq. Clerk of the Journals, 493/. ; and to. the Committee Clerks such compeusatiou as - his Royal highness should be pleased to think proper. On the motion of Mr. ROSE, the Lords'Amend tacnts on the Parish Register Bill were taken in to further eonsideration,,and agreed - to. On the motion of Mr. 'WHITBREAD, an Address was• ordered to be presentei to the Prince Regent, praying his Royal Highness to order that a Copy of th:Commission given by his Royal High - ness - to, certain pevons - to be employed on the ci-jaSt of Africa for procuring the enlistment of- Negroes - into' the Black Re. ,- iniefn6 in the West Indies; and .also a Copy of the Correspondence and "Instruc tions given -to the persons so employed, be laid before the Lord CASTLEREAGH presenttO Copies of the Correspondence on the late Overture of Peace JI - oni France, which were ordered to lie on the • table,. and-to be pritited.. FINANCE. Ti'e adjourned debate on the Financial Resolu t• s having been resumed, ~ S ir T. TURTON entered into an elaborate state ment of his opinion of the state of the country, dividihg his subjeet into three parts : the debt, the expenditure, and the resources. The funded debt he alleged to have been ,485,183,0001. in 1804, and at present to he 615,618,0001. being an increase of 130;334;0001, The increase of the unfunded debt in the-same period, was 30,250,000 t. With respect to• the expenditure, he contended, That however dear the objects, which we had in view; it Was - impossible long to carry it on at its Present rate. As to the last division of the our resources; he maintained that the t axes had inneh diminished in their produce, and that the surplus of the Consolidated Find was above' two millions less in the present year than in 1804. Upon the whole, the 'revenue was incompetent to meet the expenditure to the amount of 35,000,0001. Even should, peace enable ustoreduce our naval and Military establishment to half their present extent, - the expenditure Of, the country, inclAd ing tin 'interest of the debt, would be 00 Mil lions ; the revenue would he 67,000,0001. ; so' that only 7,000,0001. 'could be taken oil - the 22. millions of war taxes, which, when imposed,' were pledged to be aholisl4l,six months aft.r the conclusion - of a peace. Under these circum tances, the only remedy that occurred to his mind, was to appoint a Committee in the next .Session of Parliathent minutely to investigfite the sub ject; and in the mean while rigidly to 'economi - Se our means, and instead , of encouraging that war like spirit, whieh was already too prevalent in this country, to seek for every means of obtaki ing a-secure and itonourahle peace. • Mr. TIERNEY followed. H\ had for the last ten 'years abstained from submitting to the House any financial resolutions, because to Make them out was attended With intich trouble s and because when inside out, they seemed to, be very little at tended to. The present" -moment, -howeier, was one of such Importance, that he was induced once 4nore to otter to the-I-louse his opinipns upon the subject. He divided it into ten Resoliitions ; the hest chewing the progress of our expenditure (since 1802), as connected with Nvar, and yvar alone.— The second, to evince the progress Of our differeat rcsOurces to meet that expenditure. The third, to prove, when our resources had arisen from money borroved, the effec(of those loans on the Money market. The fourth, to sheW how much .We vrerenearer to . or fartherfrom the period \vhen .the sinking fund would balance the sums actually raised within the year. The fifth, to State" the whole unfunded debt and its progress since 1802. The sixth exhibited the total sum of money raised . in the last nine years, and the charge incurred„--= The.seventh, to shoW how the charge so incurred had been provideil for. And the . last, to proye the actual amount of the expenditure of the present year., The Honourable Gentleman entered into a minute investigation of all the facts connected with these Resolutions,, into which our space and the nature of the subject will not allow us td 101 . - low him, and we Inust therefore cont en t ourselves with a very few of his generfil conclusions. Of the nine years of our expenditure, as.conneeted With war, he calculated the average of the three .first years ,at forty millions, of -the three next years at forty seven 'millions, and of the three last years at fifty-two millions. .In the year 180 J, we raised above twenty millions within the year—we bor rowed fourteen millions-,--being an excess of the sum raised twenty SCA"Cti millions--we had bOrrow ed thirty-two . on the _contrary, an excess of the sum borrowed over that raised of five millions. The average surplus of the 'Conso lidated Fund during the last three years of the last nine was two millions nine . hundred thousand pounds ; during the second three years, nine mil, lions three hundred thousand pounds ; and during the last three years, one million nine hundred thousand pounds. Adverting to the effect of bOr rowing on the money market, he observed that the unfunded debt had increased tv ninety-one mil lions. In 1804, the sinking fund bore only a pro portion of a seventy-seventh part of the unre deemed debt. At present it • bore the proportion of a forty-fourth. He detailed the price of three per, eents. in the month of every year since 1804, in which the loan was contracted, and comparing it,wth the proportion which every year the sink- . ing fund bore to the whole, unredeemed debt, ex hibited the problem, difficult to solve, that the funds did not rise, notwithstanding that increased proportion of the .sinking fund., It was his con- jecture that this might be ascribed to our raising , so much within the.year by which means, al though the Commissioners for the ReductiOn of the, .National Debt gave,a capital annually to the pub lic, by the purchases they made with the produce'of the sinking fun s l., yet as great a capiral Was annu ally taken away from it. This was a subject on _which it was easier to write than talk, and he was almost tempted .to write upon it. He contended, ! that instead of being nearer to the wished-for pe riod when the sinking ftind would . actually balance the sums raised within the year, we were much further from it ; for the average excess of the mo ney borrowed oVer the money in the loiends of the Commissioners, during the three first years of the last nine, was nine millions one hundred thousand pounds ? --during the next three years; five millions two hundred thousand pounds- 7 -and'during the last three years (excluding ireland),teri millionS. Ad verting to the unfunded debt, he stated, that it was forty-nine millions in the present year. He strongly inculcated the principle of keeping the -consolidated fund in full vigour; and thought that if we persevereil in our:present system; the ex penditurc'must continue-to increase from year to year. He - did not wish to make any observations tending to leren the present Ministry in the opi nion of the public ; but he could not avoid saying there could be no hope of accoinplishing any great saving, except by a very strong Administration'. The outcry which was raised against Lord St. Vin cent, on his reform oLthe Navy Board, was a proof of the, difficulties which those must be pre pared to 'meet, who would act on such a principle. He could not, at the same time,. go the length of saying, according to the Honourable Baronet's Resolution, that peace was the onl'y way by which we could save. our finances. Peace, he would al- - low, would, be a great. blessing, but he could not allow that we had got to the end of our means,.---- The,money to he raised in Enxland amounted to nearly one hundred and two millions, and this must go on increasing until something effectual could be done. What be implored of the Chan cellor of the Exchequer and the Executive Govern ment, was, to consider. the melanchOly state of public credit : rernedieS he thought mfght he ap plied, and he•hoped his Right Honourable Friend . .(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) Might. be the - founder of some new system which would enable them to oon till their exertions should be render gd.unnecessary by the attainment of an 'honour able peace. Sir T. TURTON explained. _ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he did not think the 'manly fortitude of the people of this country could shrink •from looking their. situ- - ation in the face, or from bearing those additional hurt: ens 'Which circumstances Might render ne cessary.. The Hon. Baronet" had moved for a Onn mittee, but if a Committee were ca p a bl e ofeilri eating tis from whatever embarrassment we might feel; it had been tried-already. The Resolutions,' which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was about to propose, would include many:of the facts set forth by-the I-lon. Baronet, and contain others which he had omitted ; he'should, therefore, move flee preVious question upon all resolutions but the last, which he should meet with a decided ne gative. As to the resolutions of the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Tierney), though he all Owed them the merit of great ingenuity, there were still' inaccuracies in them which ought, not to r,::!eiVe the sanction of the House. He should Move the previous question -on' them also. In estifnatirig the expences of the several years, the Right Hon. Gentlematishould have made a distinction between the years in which there was, and was, not a con tinental expenditure. An approach had really been made towards realizing the plan proposed by Lord henry Petty in the year 1807, and the amount of the permanent Revenue was so large as to give hopes of additional success. With respect to the decrease of public credit, which _the Ri. ; ;lit Hon. Gentleman had imputed to the increase of the pro perty tax, it shoud be observed, that. if the pro perty tax were repealed, and the deficiency occa sioned by that. repeal was Made up by a loan ; the • exchange would be made' uipider the disadvantage of higher interest. lie had remonstrated three veas ago against the increase of the unfunded debt ; the amount of it, however, did not depend altogether upon the resolutions of the GOvern ment, for any - deficiency in the war taxes or in the Consolidated Fund Must be -imade up by an issue of Exchequer Bills. Of his late Right lion. Friend (Mr. Perceval) he remarked, that though finances did not form the study Of his early life; he had improved beyond eXpectation in it that science;, he had succeeded in checking the' frauds, and situ-: playing time management of the Exchequer, and had always- acted on the principle' of avoiding an increase in the nominal' capital of the funded debt. The produce of the war taxes, for the tem years preceding the • peace of Amiens, he stated at 28,000,0001. and for- the nine years suceceeding, at 8,000,000/. it was, he observed, a mater of consolation to the- country to olyierve, that even . under the disadvantage of- a depression of its ma nufactures, and a scarcity"qf grain, - its, revenues had not decreased; and notwithstanding a consi derable depression of its trade, its finances were not injured. The nations of the Continent were ,too much in the habit'of thinking, that todiminish our trade was to cut the sinews of our strength. Tie conceived that the spirit-of the count r y would bear even more burthens than were at present im posed upon it ; for instance, ,it might bear .a tax upon capital as distinguished from the. Income Tax, and for which a portion of the Income Tax might be committed. Perhaps an easier course would 'be to allow a double half per cent., on that part of the loan which, exceeded the Sinking Fund s Great exertions had already been made by the country to - equalize its revenue with its exF enditure in the times of Mr. Pitt, Mr. Addington, and Lord Henry Petty, by an increase of the Income Tax; and if it shotild he his arduous task, at some fu 'titre period, to make another attempt, he would acktiowledo-e that he'saw the necessity of adopting some more vigorous measure. Mr. HusxissoN expressed his satisfaction at the increase of our revenue, notwithstanding the dis advantages under which we had laboured. It was a striking instance of the solidity and buoy -ancy of our resources. He rejoiced also that the burthens did not interfere with the industry of. the country, but, it could not be denied that the de pressed state of public credit exposed us to great difficulties, and that sonic effectual measure should be taken to improve, that credit. He recommend- ,••• ed the diminution of our establishments as the best means of reducing the - loan, and noticed the rapid growth of the Navy, which he thought had ar rived at an extent beyond what was necessary to maintain our maritime superiority. To - the last - resolution proposed by the Honourable Baronet, he particularly objected, 'as it went to fetter the Executive GovernMent in that in which thev should be scrupulously kept free—the exercise Of their discretion with respect to the time and erode of negociatiug a-peace. At the same time he was undoubtedly desirous that it should ,be distinctly proved to the,people th a t th e GOverhment had no indisposition to peace,if one of a safe and honou able nature .could be procured, as that would in duce them more cheerfully to make thoSe sacrifices which a continuance of the war must necessarily demand. Mr. BARING entered into a detailed statement of the circumstances which had combined to de press public credit ; and recommended that the utmost exertions should belnade'to restore it. Mr. COURTENNY strongly deprecated . any inter ference with the Sinking .Fund; by the operation of Which, if we could but get through the next 'l5 years, we should be enabled to do very well. — He was by no means disposed to take Such. a gloomy view of our situation as some other Honourable Gentlemen: Mr. WHITBREAD prOfClSed himself the sup porter of his Right Hon. Vrierifl (Mr. Tierney's) resolutions ; but wished that the last resolution of the lion. BarOnet, with some - slight modifica tion, might be attached to them,. lie .repeated ,strong recommendation to Government .to make adireet effort in order to ascertain the puac ticahility of obtaining - a, secure and honourable peace. ‘, lle thearit honourable, With a ,view to the present circumstances-of the country, for. that which would not be Honourable under some cir cumstances, became so' under .other. It - was al lowed on all,hatids, that the country could not go on with its present expenditure, an d th e necessity therefore of having recourse so some powerful remedy for the evils under which it labOured, was apparent. As this was the last time he should address the Chair during the present- Session, pro bably during the preSent Parliament, he would advert to what he considered to have been a most, criminal neglect. :This was to provide for the, event of any thing happening, (Which God for bid !) to the lt i egent. In that .melanchly case, the Legislature \maid - have to repeat all the dis cussion and inconvenience which preceded the ap pointment of the preSent Regency: Considering also the age of that illUstrious Princess, who,.. he trusted; as she' Was now . the hope; would one day lie the pride and glory of lief eountry, be con fessed that lie th'Ought had been kept too, much:in-obscurity, and not-allowed to he suffici ently seen by the public. Mr. WiLi3ERFoRcy. expressed the gratitude"wliich he aid the House ought to feel to the 'memory .of Mr,,Pitt, for the light which that great Statesman_ shed •upon.finaucial subjects, which rendered - the financial state of the country completely intel ligible;.: even to those, w 7 4.) had hitherto paid but 'little attention to it. ,To Mr. Pitt also we were indebted for the sinking- fund ; a'source of future hope and - relief, which he was persuaded no Mi nister would ever be presumptuous enough to touch. He - strenuously advised the niost .rigid' economy in the national expenditure,. and repro bated the ease with which some Hon. Gentlemen talked of additional sacrifices, as if they would be productive of pleasure instead of great pain to the people. Hehad always been the advocate for peace, if such "a peace could be obtained as it was desirable to obtain; but he' confessed that he thought the observations of the lion. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Whitbread) calculated to produce Fin impression in the country, that Government enighthave availed themselves of the late over tare to put an end to the war ; a supposition-t l 4; he was sure that Hon. Gentleman Ithiqeif . allow to be extremely fallacious, Mr. Hti to contended there.was no groun, - I tb r , complaint against India. - H e ' w i s h e d' E n gland would-follow her example, and reduce her Ci - portation till it was broaght within her xcvenuo'' • Mr, BARING' explaineA. Sir T. Ift.rkros replied. Mr. ausxissom explained. The CIIANCELT,OII Of thy' 147,XCHEQUER observe d, with reference to what bad beeh said- of the effect ' of the American war o , npon - our finances, he b, no reason to think it wou ld -be so ru i nous as ha d been.supposed. We had been for some time pal' t with America in - a state little different from-tin', - in wbich-we should be placed 'by a War., in a stgt e which in. some respects was worse than would i ' suit from a' %Val' of any duration. Th - ou;r,i: he fered much from those who asserted th: , .t with AMerica NVOI I, I be so ruinous to our finance he readily ,assumen the converse of the propo' i ; tion, that if a sincere reconciliation took pie . between this country and America, it would be most important and ben t eficial event ; and an 0' 0 " likely materially; to contribute to ameliorate ou:i , present sination'. 'With respect to what be had sa' . `. Of a tax upon capit a l, h e h a d no t s p o k en o f i t a s 1 a - measure- which he had it in contemplation £ 0 adopt; but as one,which in a case'of extreme neccs sity might be-tried in this country, as it had bee°, in others:' Atax upon capit a l h a db een esta bli s he': in Holland—and he, at the Peace of Amiens, ha' 'procured an' account of 'its produce, from the tiiue at which the French took Rossession of Hollanot up to the period at which he procured the paper he spoke of. Fronithis account it appeared, that .the produce of the tax,in eight Years, had amou9t; 0 to no less than thirty per ce nt. on t h e tot capital ()lithe Country; yet.; under the heavy pre`" sure of this tax, the United Provinces remaine a the most wealthy nation in Enrope. This he ID" - tioned as an example, not to be folloWed, but,t", sheW that evert the -pressure of, such it tax not inevitably ruin a country, nor, as some 11 ,1 • 11- appeared to think it must, wholly crush the sPir iL of its industry. fie concluded by moving the vious question on the first resolution. After a few further observations from Mr. Wh i t" bread, the Chancellor of' the Exchequer,' and Mr' Conrtenay, the :previous question was carried oa - all the resolutions but the last, which itwas posed to negative. The resolution was, li°' ever, modified, by Si r T. 1 .1 . urton, who 'agreed to omit all the words after - the 'word Peace•' d The Chancellor of the E xc he quer th en peopose: to-move the previous question on the resolution thus ditered. This WO objected-to by Sir 1-I:fuj -ton, and the gallery was cleared for a The Houstt did not diyide. We understand Ili c previous question was carr i e d ; an d i t was ae-i'e a that the Honse at its rising do adjourn to 1 .6. 1 " day. • . Adjourned at One o'Clock, to Tuesday LAW RErORT. COURT OF CHANCERY, JULY %I. PRIESTLEY 2j. IIL,GiIRS Avery itnportant question on the con4tro''ti' ll the Marriage Act, has- come before the lor, by an Appeal from It e Rolls: Mr. Ilu'.',l l c s ' father of the -defendant, married'a - Misi Robert" an illegitimate child, by license, with the coPi sent of the mother, the fathe r b e in g d ea d ;, E!' l `t the defendant, a young lady about-eighteen ye°' of age, is the only issue of the . maryiage. "n e question is, 'whether the consent of the father of mother of an illegitimate minor, is sufficient V' legalize a marriage of -the minor under the riage Act. If the question is decided in the -oL fitmative, the defendant will be entit!ed, by ac scent, to a fortune of 100,0001.; if in the negi tive, she will have nothi ng . Th e case was s . C II • by the Master of the Rolls to the- King's BO" . Three of the Judges, Ellenborough, Le Bigl and Bayley, certified that th e marr i age was valid : Mr. Justice Grose, that it -Was valid ; Uc i case of illegitimate mi nors bei ng cases that part of the Act that relates - to marriage, by license. .- : The MAsTER of the HALLS concurred in : f with the majority-of the J u d ges o f t h e C o urt ° King's Bench, and . decided. aga i ns t. th e validity' °f the marriage. From this decision there is an :I ; peal to the Chancellor, wh o p rom i se d soon to gi'! his opinion ; but expres se d his h o p e th a t t h e s übje , would he carried to the House of Lords, 03 question of this importance could not. he t o o car" fully examined. The matter rests here at Itesen t ,l but it was generally understood that there Ivo° be an appeal to the LOrds. 13,IRTHS. On Saturday last, at Doncaster, the Lady of the lion. o l tain Gardner, of the Royal Navy, Of a Son. On the.'2.oth inst. at Barham Lodge, Berts, the Lady °` Thomas Haworth, Esq. of a Son. Oa Monday last, at Tanby,--in Pembrokeshire ' , the L' 2 " 3) ‘ John Colby, Esq. of a Dinghter. • • . . MARRIED. , • • ,f Oir Saturday last,. at Old Windsor, Alfred Jones, ,r'sq' Duke-street, St. James's, to Mary, eldest daughter of los4 - Butt, Esq. of Windsor Castle . • Yesterday, at St. George'..i, Hanover-square, Jams' rior,.. Esq. of Knightsbri dge,, to Anne Ellzabe - ',ll, oulY t i er of ThOlnaS Higgs, Eq. of the saint , place. The same day, at Mary-le -bonne Church, Charles ''"''' t ley, Esq. eldest .son of Sir William Wolseley, BAIA. youngest daughter of the late Anthony Wright, .Esq, r.etta-street, Covent-garden, llaoller.. On the 23d inst. at Wan Stead, E3StiN, James Wllmot Solreitor 9 ‘V to Charlotte, daughter of Major right,'Es w l• dfor d. • . The same day, at St, Mary-le-bonne Church,.Fr,:e..:l;;-,..`, Eliot, Esq. to Margaret, eldest daughter, an 3 Ros..?, Esq.. -to Maria Isabella, younge;.t -daughter 0; Dr. Strahan, Prebendary of Rochester. . . . .. DIED. . 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