The Sun. — London, England, 1805-02-13 00:00:00

I if it !3ri sive I --- was bOtITICI to do, what required expla. nation. The Learned Gent. receffitulated the grounas pi' the Hitimaytproceedings of His Majesty's remittent; the clistind breach of the conditions of cur forbearance, and. the refu sa l o f a satisfadory ex. planation, which we •had a right to demand. An H, ne Grotleman*(iVir,JOHNSiONE) had charaderized the detention of the frigates as nothing less than pi. ' 4 cY , tut till 'some new code was -established among Nations entirely different froth that which now tzistede 'he would maintain it was an ad ex. th'Pt lesre.ceilsure.. The. non.perfortnance of the t i onclition tequ i red,. prechided all necessity Of-a:De.. taiiln. .War was declared by the agreement, on the deviation from the terms. If there was not there. lore a right of War on .the general ground, there would have been by the Convention. It was • said, %,' , 'e know the contents of the ,Treaty with France. ' It war true we had .reason to presume What the con :tents were,. and the reluctance to disclose them was ,r)additionel reason, to surp - tse them' hostile to- us. ' Intimation of the general tenor of the Fatnily'Citrn Pql was given by the. Anthavador Stanley very .', n lYi. but the conditions of it were not • made ,t i low i n so so9Nand when they were, they were found !•- 1 1 , iostile than was expeded, because they did not ' olve Spain in the War then existing. Vs ere Ns in built • n t . : * • eases a right to demand explanation. i to : . `"l3%tutiched on the most important point, he 11 ;:s It9ln a regard to the time of the' hoUr, • eV. veleta frotn entering on many which he would wished to, remark on asdid • t belt. , they no murk 0 ' . n the tn3in question. lie concluded with.; 146, , or _ , ihaun oral laying his 116u1 on his heart, he , alit the Government and the Country dully jaltil in the steps that had beta taken, that there ' , N wt , l S ti n c ° bre'ath of 1,11111, • no violation of the 1 4 3L►v of: h a" i 'nli OW the !loaner an d c h arader of the Nation e! iertcot " e lne a s v erv e l aiel mainta• ined ihroughont,: Ile' du.l o f f t :,h is vote In approbation of the c6n. then Id ! iesty''s 'Ministers, and he thought iv ee „,.. , , of breach Ravi} 1 een guilty a of the !lust , rel' itZ d i i : l ,..!!!:m if they had .kCed otherwise, tit t i me _Li f il. wi.thout .apologiz,ing fair - taking up uL the [louse o a `tibied of such import. w , is 1 , . n E . .. Ind, ii` e4 runned to take it up as little as pose, riii,latlce:e: 'otnv'elliwchouilitluigo o fu c r c t u h r e rc r, d and in s t a t e: le , that circum. Debate 'this 1,,, t u Particularly what had fallen from the tiozrnart shortened who bad spoken last, con. i e, pot Y . It?rtened what he had - to say. With i onoto4 1 1 0 ).e _I e . other paints, the SpeeC ll of 141 1 F tend wh o had moved the Anlenu• i s ke n n t Pil r ,,,, ; • - . el 1 r '9 ll --- wai entirely tininsvVerel, and ' th e * / .. "`' e,, l .s n_ i oe so ab;olutely unan . swerabld, ,, by 1.11(1. Prudent! Geotlemln who spoke :last, and in an swer nlly, abstained from' offering .any thing "ith rile t° it, "lbese cif . ' trn' itincei • tOrsether he sp ec , i ~ • , tt ,. ,'. ~,!, k i ,„ c. t°l nt3 4 elirp.d erterd i. Jr. LAW-. enligl i li te L n 4 . 6 3 a t ti, i nding SU ITI ° U - Cil ' in knOwiedge, not only ti t Iflleed 'u fo Liu litn.nane aitd liber,ll, left 'very lit. italui n , ~,_ I. nun to advert to. What he, on ex. 11 0 , 4 4 ..r7,1, considered some of the most excep. tilt o f trtitiii:Viines in the statern.nt at. the begin. which 4 t,,,,, 'bate, had been now, he could not say ee n tow , ia u : oned or refuted by the [Von. Gentle. cli at t n ,, , '' . 1 juit or dosvit. 'When he heard of a hltiii't',_,,beitween tin engagement of suspension of en itele hear d aii engagement of Neutrality, and . fla n , in o f that distindion *9 ~2 thing that th at to iii i' m !letter condition, and .Spain, in, a worse, Ivar titni ,, !vas the language of fraud, and theie via % , 4 . n g st large or liberal about it. But when it th e Aothal,3 tuftion from I_,lrd Fla`wkeshury . that I . 4 4id st aii.lia. of should preserve, the right .of War ',tona pN„...leNegi)(iatiOTlS, it was the most mon. '.'ette,,, f Gentling that ever had-been known. The Lith, (st ~1 1e uent who broke On the other side last ie t , • r JOIt ri N Pie ty of !cisme e ) , did not.deny,the im., 'llf wi th s . uch a reservation, bat contented him. ;literli i nto it Y lug, it was not necessary for him to in t i mate :, and as fat as. lie understood 111111 p ) 44 Le itned i „ that. he would, not support it.— 't did no, keentlernan who spoke last, with wit* di • tab, itr every thing heltad said on this fa , ' d id'not at, , no n . : - -cript to do away, what .was in ~1 t,,„_, 4---stionfao_ et e t thi sco _ kec, that there was an agreTtent be tkliended for"ny and Spain. .On the.contrery, he rou nd of the the e fli c _ :ley of .that agreement as a 'lie th e e .' ,e ['resent War. He did not bear from Wet. stinoio,, l ai d 1:• not to t) ' down yesterday, that we 1438td av e r . e suPposed to acquiesce in what: we had "O letx„ res , " . l silence, He did not hear from, him iiillit.ity.l'otie'illur which were clatraderistic of*a.doe Ile ( 4 , ''e, , was sorry to say, Will the most COil., reinen.."lre Its :the whole of these transactions. pi t i gi 'mitr e d i n . an ancient tregedy a person coati. b e le n g the t IL- Wtt) hi Lie l anguage of . duplicity had been 40 yak::: a nd wishing that the Gods had given k t i e 4 i neci to one to spcak the truth, the other eon fod Isor pi ep ut ;er the language of falsehuod e It th t,esle y to *n7 the Creator to form mankind con. ~,,:.1* that had , I ' "ii &Sire ; but there was still ,soMe. , tl ittla t i t „,, the effcd of it.. For 6013'0 - tintli i,::et th e ,,,,.,70u Were riot uttered with different voices, a bili,onete expressed. in different language ! , and I,,sucland'_,,arY were.to be formed of the language of " jltinoLuttlhat tiftrutb,there could not be astronger t,lteff„_`" .san that silence in that of fraud wouldnot flotittlinheSiadtCtet,leoStleewnce,and that the omission of entering , e lates , ar was but the waiver of our right , Ini, ent,inord 1, 4 Y. r ri li _ order to resume it at a future oppor. , ppy t . i , e lion, and 'Learned Gentleman, he was, n'uti o " RnO s placed the question on a different t t n u ! „,. el ° , titheelisticd laid down a remot e and proximate , i4l a t WV 0 _ e l )4 recently taken. The remote Oit'att tise ",`..tte , lty of St. Ildelonso. The prux., ndiy, chow two : first, the Armaments ; and tk eh te'.4;',,t. Ire of the Explanation.— t it% wi l "",,, `_' to the remote cause, he was one of. w utu o „iti;'a agreed', '. that the Treaty - of Si.' Ude' 4444 rennunene4Qa:fns,ive Treaty ; and that unless ..ii ~ eetne__:__ ..v sa ; its ae just qame of War. But !ik w. glit r a 4 f r ic ' n ig ,eii ' r t n yT t tl , s . the , Fargily, Compati,- he of t rtnor e f intsci :: 4 "entferneti not right in saying, .; tal e '. 4 .e pei ntit ~/ . 1 though th,,t, _peklAapsolhis One n Itltlon. Hut .that , , did not bear on the Min Willy (111 / 1 4 n t ic 'i p t I.t not the i-lon. :and Learned foni•eotif„}te,,tlinut atteed to all the parts of the Fa. 114 . shi ne r t ; l ► when he said, it did not require the:: trap g ' sucefeir - ' i t , ti ef th e c :1 on demand, witliota expla. Il i 'j at"-erQioje., NVii Ile the it'd' :4, ~ .. ._._ e . ~ C r wt ~ on „___/ wee ritre4tly,suelt he knew nnt but ~ w4l thev.avtverlt,:caritLltAri.ntrofelle lea' roily scornpet.l , . ul Olen to- it he wall knew... 77- );, . The Treaty of Ildefonso Was tifreuSiVf.,,,lmi give a -right of war ; but the , apeation of pollay „Mingled in this' iriatance with the consideration of hiimanity. It was agreed that the policy of this Country was: to avoid a 'war With Spain, and it was a policy in which he had the honour to concur-a' hue not in the eoerse that had beenaaken. - Theal-lon. and Learned Gen. tleman did not. think the conduit of the Govern. merit altogether necessary to be taken into the con. sideratidn. He differed from him. For•when His Male ty communicated to the House, the War, and not only' the. general. -grounds of the. War, but also'the conduit of His Maje Sty% Ministers, the examinaiicin and judgment Of both was open to the House.= He Old -not like -the - Leiter of Lord Hawkesbury to Mr. Frere, authorising him. to demand explanation, but allowing him to give no assurance in returrd. ..An Hon. ,Gentiern in (Mr. BAtixEs) bad argued that Spain, in this Negotia. tibia, Was bound to . evinee candour, and that Bit. rain was boundaiwsbew vigilance, which it ever world, and of the same time, jealousy, suspicion, and reserve. This was altogether new ; for if there was any one thing peculiarly qoalified to produce aits like, - it was candour. But if one Party was ,to be frank and the other,doubtful, he knew not what to think of those who laid down such a reciprocity. Witch ftanknest -Was asked, it was .but natural' also to give it. This was not the Law of nations, nor the Law of Enghtod, but the ,Law of our lieirti;which 'eatuld not be' extinguished. or alteaa ed but Ay - - the - ' annihilation of our existetice.— ' Whtn we ask .for fronkoess we should sliew the exaniple—when we - calf for unresirietinesa - we ourselves deal' with sinceti6' and-casadour. was .a conduit not, diiiiited by any precepts , the, Law' oe :Nati , ins, but arising our , Of- the prin'Fiples of Wl' nian nature. He "saw - 1 h 1: the inai :struitions 'Havikeabity. to Mr. Thre, that , .ti as tlireite,l to dernand-iali:iinreserved communi, caki6n from Spain, a "corumunication which he'could not 'obtain,. its. Mr.. Frere gave no explicit. cNPlana tion to Spain. This was What was to he regretted, Inasmuch as until such an ckplanation was given, it was-in vain to e.x . ig.-;:t niy freedom:of .communica. tiOn ;'and it was "not till he" had- 'read the- Papers on the Table that he. thought, any, person could exited confidence withoot, tuanifesting sincerity.— As thet conduit which His Majesty's' Go. veromena had to pursue, there appeared to him but one of two lines for them to follow a The first was sinaple, and was merely a, peremptory declaration 'of war unless the Treaty of St.. Ildel'onso she : J1111 be formally renounces]. ''The second was more complex, buvrtit le's, likely to advance lheinterests' of . this 'Cohatry.. Witilat the dispositionof Spain 'to eon. ,time ma terms of -amity wish us lasted, and there cotildbe- no 'doubt that bar disposition was at first aMicabla, to asur4s .411- have been. taken traframea in coa j; u with ,aystemof Neutrality that staaultt set:axe her fra,)m . ,,iing'jltrewn into the scale ajainst us ";1 his could not do albrie; this 019 c .old am - sit - range.without our advice, nor, possibly, after being thus framed,. oat upon it with. out Oirr 'assistance. Its was , riat.,',nor Could it Le, the interest of Spain to' afford France any,. succours . which she could avoid.. Ittiraatten he satin that frcim the ad of June to the a4ali :of September Lord Hawkesbury had furniNaea ao forwarded .no further to. Mr. Frere v as 'to the nr;a.. .sures he wasto take : with ;coital to twit Power,, aabaaspuld he say, but Oat there was a Minister at the head of affairs who left every thing' to:chance during five - months, and had made ins _ effort to avert those hostilities which had at length, unfor. tunately taken place ?: And what is five months ? A apace within which France had compelled SPain to enter into a Treaty, 'by which 'she commuted the succours - -stipulated in a former Treaty for a Subsidy. ' Of this Treaty early intimation had sheen given to our Minister—and wittr•what view I Undoubtedly for the purpose of. obtaining advice—. , Undoubtedly fur the - purpose of procuring assist. ance, that- Spain' if -she might happen to 'disoblige France, could say that she bad done every thing to satisfy the wishes of the Kiog a uf Great Bri. Lain. , Mr. Frerc knew fif this Treaty . the itch of September, he was made acquainted with it again , on the zoth, and yet not 'one Word'of instruition .badbeeti received, by Mr.' here on that head' till October 24. And what was the consequence ? The Treaty was conchided without his advice.— But it hacl'beetithe business of ' these days, with the exception of the Hon. and Leonia Gentleman, to tax Spain, whether impelled by force Or iodine_ tion, with having done more for Fritne titan she wits bound, by converting the' stipulated succours' .under the "Freaty of St. Ildefonso into a 'Subsidy; though this 'qitestion did nor belong to his present putpase, he could not omit to notice it. The ques. trop was not what Spain had in this instance dune ,fot France, but what she had done' foraEnglancl.-- , , Had' she not reason to 'supPose that England would • 'have been better pleased at her contribuiing the Sub. ;tidy than supplytheauccours ?*Ost the contrary,, was it not snore likely that it would be 'more aatisfailory to the Government of this Country that even a con.' siderable SabOdy'should be paid in lieu of the stia', pulated contingent I On this ground, - therefore, he. complained,on the part oiSpain,that if it Was thought Jay .Ministers thatthe Subsidy would be more inju_ Huila to this Coubtry, than the succours, no intitsta:' tion of it boObien given 'to Spain. She tirok' what she looked upon as the course least injurious tei After all that had b-en said by Mr. 'Freye on the subjeil, after all the calculations of 'the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, yesterday, he *Was still of opi, nion that- Spain had Jtidged right, not as to the "mint of fait with respeft to tile-injury of either to England, but 'from what it had reasOnto' suppose, the sentiments of H . 'S Majesty's Government. 'This opinion he futinded on two letters from Lord Hs,,vkes bqy to Mr. Frere, and do various parts Otthe Cot. respundenCe s , which, to save the time of the House, he should not then trouble them :with qtf.)ting; and a . s he did not, mean to Make, any intentional rais.:state_ inept, he tiliould bot;) the correaian of any HOn. Gentleman, : In one of these Jetters Lard • Haw kesbury instruils Frere, in ea t should be taken to fUrni;...ll the coati 'gent ti. Vrance, to. leave Madrid; which t,) t)-60. r.ttion of Nyat ; no so t howerdi,, diddled in the event of the ,g6:,t less Subsiity. "if, LaritilitAkslbusyl , ,:.l,-.,, , ,A tontitigens succours as .i ' ittriton: 1 for a thctatiti.oll. ,-• tie Velar, Whilst he ;passed over the caee .Of the Subsidy, than he contended that . the Spanish- Government had judget,t — right, netwithsiantling .all chat had been said'on • that subjetl• But what He complained: of most aunt; that His Majesty's Ministers, with , their esnai distinaness, had. not ekplained their wishes on this head Sufficiently---.ncit at all to she Spanish Cabinet.. If they had seen the predominant influerwe, us, rather, according to his opinion, the pre:lambi:int power of France in Spais, was likely to give a 'direelion to its Mea. sores, 'they ought to. have conic to seine de, terminatien, whether it was better to continue . the Neutrality, ,or, as they term 'it, their for. berance; . or to declare War at once. In all the disCuisions with fespeet to Spain, it appeared, that she had submitted to what she thought the mode least injurious to this Country; and it was pat culiarly advantageous that the should have been made acquainted. with the opinion of the Govern. ment of this Country With respctl to it. But nothing had been dune. Allowing the situation of Spain to. have been difficult, .some elf ,rt ought to have been Made toassist her; yet she had been left to herself till the time when she might, by circtitnstanees, enabledto disengage heiself from the difficulties in Which .she was placed. Here he could not ,avoid adverting to. what .had fallen from the HO. and .Learned Member respeeling Ole condo& of Spain towards the close of the American and with resped • to the opinion of the Opposition of the . day. It was usual,. in . speaking of the conduet . of Opposition at any one time, t o attribute the same principles .to the existing Opposition. What the :sentiments of the Opposition , to which the Learned Gentleman had alluded. had been, he could not fully call to . mind ;• but this he trusted, that when the present Opposition should be no more, and the con cluti of future. Oppositions. might be animadverted upon, it would be said, that they ..did not, resemble the virtuous Opposition of ,iffos. (The Hon, Gen. Orman here adverted particularly to The cit.. cumstances of • that period to justify the opinion he then held,) He contended, thar the influence which France then had over Spain ,was quite different from the influence : which it at preient possesied, fer direeling the whole of its poWer and.reiotieces ' theiprotholic,n of its-own objeas. . ;As to - what had been observed with respe.a to Portugal, he would: ask, whether it was not justis 'bk.-to connive at the subsidy extorted from that PoWer. The smaller P6tvers either attach themselves to the greater, or were obliged to-do so; and _where there was no evi_ dence of the maims animus, their weakness should not be. made the ground of resentment, Vengeance should be •diretted against she great offender— . .4 Let the little bark, of tenter sail, " Pursue the tritoph.and partake the gale.". He remembered when-the young, Archduke Charles • . of Au s t r i a was signalising his military talents in Germany, that many Ministerial advocates in this Country claimed a share imhis triumphs, in virtue of two millions of money chat had been sent out of the country without the consent of Parliament (a loud Pitigh). When Spain commuted its contingent tor a Recuniary subsidy, it was natural to suppose they •Would make that as light as 'possible, and it, 'could not place themin a different situation from that in which they hail 'stood by she 'Treaty of St. Ilde. I.,nuz 4'l'i to the quantum of the subsidyi be agreed with the Learned Member, that that was very little , to the purpose. It' the Treaty of St. Ildefonso was a giound. of. war, lie asked, whether the change of the stipulAte3 contingent of that Treaty altered that ground ? 'Lind )übtealy nor. But he did not think it possible to ivaive the right in order to urge it at i more convenient time. Mr. Frere, it appeared, had not bcen instruaed to declare war, and yet he had done so, He hoped and trusted, that the reason. ing of theLta rned Gent. had convinced the House that a.declaration of war pending discussions ought nor to be justified without previous notice. The &duration of war by Mr. Prere, w ithout iostru&ions, had brought a'Negoriation to n cmelmitin which.might have been condoned to an amicable adjustment.— The princilale of waiving the right . of war -till it should be convenient to act ,upors! it, seetnrd like laying up causes or grounds of war in a bureau, where Ministers could, at any convenient time, find caUse'B, cause C, or cause D; when n'tcessarY. H e agreed:with the teatned Geittlebtan, and with his Honourable Friend (Mr.' GRET),, yesterday, and his Learned ~Friend Dr. Lisw Reticle, - this day, that the two Notes of Mr. Frere amount.' e 4 t o an agreement; and in very pointed terms': reprobated an expression in one of Mr. Frere's patches home, that because nothing he had com inooicated tvarranted M. ! Cevallos's conception of the it; i 4reettient, he had not protested against the declaration of this cooceptiOn in any of his Notes. If M. ,Cevalio.; had been right, there would have been no 'occasion for any explanation ; but As he fell into a misconception, an exPlanatton of his. error was absolutely necessary. Lord Hawkesbury also appeared to.have ,pursued' the sante conduit with ! respea to a similar tnisedncepiioti of M. Andodges. ' It Might he urged by Mr. Frere, that he had avoitled-'explinati.m tesr Ire Should be considered captious; . but for hiMself he should prefer , being considered • either captious or cavillous,•ra.: - . rher th an to su ff e r su ch a miseuoception to cbntinue. As to tic regoisition that had been !rude to the Spani.h Court, he thought it important- that the House should noose to some decision. M. • Cev - allos instantly gave up the Sale . of m and as to stionaent,• daclaredi that none inju. rlous to Great Britain, sht,uld be entered into.— He agreed !to one of the demands on Mr. Frere's own fermi , a n d to the other witb some otialifi.• cation; and M.'i!Cevallos n>t c l to id er him. self boon& by the proposition of Mr: Frere, hut by till own staterneta, which he looktd upon as I, admitted (The Hon. - M.,.m1;,..r here, referred to N‘ sever A Of the ropers to illustrate his positions).' caulcl net, begging 114 c Leasned .Member's laarcl ;7, but consider it B loose 'way of talking,' to lay so u.tUch stress on conversations, when there were wo Notes, atnountiog to an-agreeinera to be I , trut d t o . f t appeared to him that. M. Cevil. los hat. not engaged not io unit but ,ito.rts not to give' unihrge to Great Britain. M. Cevallos's,Notea . the wth- at July_ only denied armaments such as could '•xt.ife the_apprehension. of- this Country; ankt whatever might he the prid?. of Spain, he cou!d not hive iinapned that till wir.eic power,ofSktin- eouhl Ravi..been.otherPi4ge ethan as an auxiliary tei.-France, an,l in deeeinel et? "AitNnients.for that ehjsit, width ;were -the only, ones he ever coneeived to have' been, under dis e , • ctission, he must have felt that he gave sufficient satisfaClion to out Minister. As to toe use •r"-the team Convention • appearing = in Netts, which e had been riptesented by the ,Right : Honourable Gentleman oliposeite as a . Confusion of ,a suppos .agreement between Spain and ..this Country win' the Convention of the toth of Gift. with France, he supposed the mistake might .have arisen from the incorrect trals:ation of the N ite. As so much 'sttess had - been. laid on` this agreement, in the '.turn- which tire 'Debate had taken since the opertiag, in which lt lied beer. itidustrinusly.placed in theback ground, he would put it to the Learned, , Member, whether, if considered with reference re the two Netts Of Mr. Ftere r it could be taken in the 'cOmptehensise sense- in 'which he had' regarded it"? The Learned Geeclinan and onother Learned Gen-. tletuan last night bed talked of a conditional decla ration War. There were Many 'CASCO in which he could Conceive' the propriety of such a decla_ ration, as at the ending' of :a: Truce; or eta cor e rain future period in the event ,of a 'stared condie tioo not being complied with previously, or under:. more complicated clicumstancese such .ts if, for •instance, a licit were nut to he rernevie l within certain time from 'one 'given port to e another. Tn all ; these cases the declaration would be explicit arel Clear, but he contended that such a declaration otieht not to be made" in the case-of Negotiatians might lead to an amicable adjustment of elle-matter in dispnee, and that the ale.cieration in= the instenee under discussion was fat from being clear or explicit: The Hon. Gentleman further contended,. that ever- fairly considered the situation of Spain, the difficillties and' calamities of every sort with which .she had tie' struggle, and 'afterwards seriously be. lieved that she laboured to evi l s Armaments under such circumstances to annoy this Country, such a per_ soneoidd not be exceeded in credulity by thesimoleet .of dupei. Could sending three Ships' from the Be. • son - into the Mole, and these three Ships only half manned, be seriously lOoked upon as an indication Of such hostile armament and intention ? Nor was it so absurd as argued on the other side to send troops in such Ship. If se, it was an absurdity 'of veleich we ourselves have frequemly been guilty. , • As to the information received from Admiral Cache , rane, he was sure that Ministers did Riot believe the whole of it. Whet he asserted abotit Carthagena and Cadiz, n4ost certainly they did believe.. `Aeto the Subsidy 'granted in lieu of the contingent in.. `Troops, and 'the Convention with France, the tendency of which was affirmed. to bess o nox i ous , why, if it was understood to be of that unfavour. able nature to-Great Britain, was no official inqui. ry made into it till Oelober last ? It Repeats, in. deed, that Mr. Frere had some conversation .about , this Convention,, but not a trace of such a' con., versation is to be found in the. Letters upon the Table. It consequently is not known whether any intereiew took place between him and the Spanish - Minister upon 'the subjeil e or whether any written &Mend was sent in respecting s it. Soon after Mr. Fiere's- recall was determined upon, because his conduCt was disagreealsle to the Spanish Court.--and by whom w.e.elie replaced ? by his brother, sed the brother his S:fcretary, who consequently was privy to all his disputes with 111:1Spaill,11 Ministry.' Could any appointml.trit be more absurd, especially w hen. a Gentleman was appointed as s Ambassador to that Court i n every respect qualified for the situa. tion, and, who might be •ready to set out on 'the - notice of a few days. But it - wasnrgent to make the new demand tespeaing the Convention. `Mr. Frere was ordered to make it ; and if an immediate answer was not given his instru4tions ,were to quit Madrid immediezely. But did not Mr. Frere know the substance at least'of the Convention ? It certainly appears that he did, and even mire than the substance, for he roundly asserts there is-no article in it respedieg Portugal'but one. It is said. the detention of the Spanish ..Frigates was merely a measure of precaution, and 'not an aa of War. — es Is the detention of merchantmen in our Port s to be .considered in the same light . as the seizure of Frigates in the . open seas ? Would it be thought so if the British Flag was treated in the same manners What is taken' may be restored; but-honour tarnished cannot be repaired : can you re.. store the lives of so -many persons, whose lot it did not seem to .be to encounter such perils, who have been sacrificed to this measure of precaution Surely all this proves the excellence of the old praitice of a Declatation of Weir.. Af such attacks are to be styled customary measures, all 'War is a measure of precaution:e The Wateof the succession was such a tneasure, The seizure. of Ole Frigates could nor be looked upon its merely a measure of precaution— it was e direr` measure of. War, and he defied .all the • learning and ingenuity -opposite him to prove the contt Iffy. -.But it has been pretty generally. objeited, that .thusc who hold secle language tend to a s per s e the charaCler of the touptry., - But if such .conduiq is not to be cinsassed, for what purpose :does-this :House meet ?Is nut the House now a's. .senahled to deliver en opinion on it ? Does net the whole of 64; Constitution depeni upon-the' cons. (pence and credit attached to the opinion of the p ts e v c) o pl lZt . otses of Ea or, t ; rtl,cu tli et a i te i n cm nl i a n ne h d they to delude Aie the tiiey to spe:)isetheir own mind, or ,only sUch senti r nenta as may beeacceptable to Government IL!fOre you convince the people of your sincerity, pet inlest first prove you ere sincere. Far his part he could nut .afford abetter proof of his. stainers conviction that Ministers hail aided rashly . ,tttid unjustly in their. conduit towards Spain, than ,giving, his cordial sepport to th Amendment of his lion, Friend, I fir CHA4'VGELLOIc ,of the • latI;i1EQ(.711:1? then rote to, reply. He began by saying, that he should nut have to tr,luWe the tbuse long, after the very able speech of his Learned 41113 lion. Friend (Sir W 1141.1 AM GRANT), w ft scrircely any objee dolt unanswered, and whose arguments he should not weaken hx . any uneeeessary attetnot to repel,* them. : He denim that Chere Could be discovered the lesst Wiiiitcver tittweeri his blamed Fiend and binvirlf, when tiffs opiniurvi tyve rcf.cued from pervemon. t? oor forbeltanct.t - tov-ards Spain, it was all along attended with a cautionary C4lldition, and if 'th . cy deputed but one