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PARLIAMENT. DOUSE OF LORDS, FED. 143. PRIVATE BILLS. The House met at four o'clock, and on the motion of the :Earl of SUAFTESOURRY, it was ordered no Petitions or Pri. -v4te Bills be received after the 24th of March; a nd-no,Judge's Iteport after. the 22d of April.—Adjouraed. :queAtion, -and -would best! suit the convenience of 01'1 Members. After.a few words from Sir E. 101ATCHBULL, the goes.: tion was fixed' for the l7th of. April, to which day the call of the House was alio postponetL - RIGHTS OF BOROUGH ELECTORS• Lord JOHN RUSSELL postponed his motion for a Com mittee upon this subject until Thursday next. IRISII TITHES. Mr. GOULBURN gave notioe,.that on the ilth of March be should bring foiward $ proposition for the commutation of tithes in Ireland. 'MILITIA OF IRELAND. •Mr. GOULBURN moved for leave to bring in a •Bill to reduce the Staff of the Irish militia. The House would be aware that the Irish Militia Act differed so far from that which regulated the same force in England, that it kept in pay a much larger proportion of officers 'and non-commissioned Offi cers, after the troops were in fact disembodied. It had appear. ed to the Irish Government, in their search after the uteans of economy, that the expellee of the Militia Staff of Ireland might be considerably lessened, and yet the effectiveness of the force itself be in no way diminished. Hon. Gentlemen would re. collect, that in the year 1817 a Bill had - been brought in to limit the extent of the establishrnent in question, not by re moving existing officers, but by preventing re.appointments as they fell oft The measure which he now proposed, instead of a gradual reduction, would give an immediate one. Mr. Goulburn concluded by moving for leave to bring in a Bill for the more speedy reduction of the Irish militia staff, serjeants, corporals, and drummers, in corps not in actual service. Colonel SKEFFINGTON spoke in so, low a tone of voice that his obserVations did not reach the gallery. His feeling was unfavourable (we believe) to Mr. (oulburn's measure; and he hoped that the Bill would not be read a second time until Certain documents (we could not collect their nature) were laid before the llouse. Mr. HUME wished to know what would be the amount of the proposed reduction, and also what was the difference in the condition of the English and Irish militia ; for lie aew their pay WAR the same. lie was satistied.that the reduction might just as well have taken place when he himself had moved it, in the year 1019 ; but he hoped that , the measure now brought forward was a prelude to the same course with respect to the English Mina,. Mr. GC/MAW RN' was perfectly - ready to defer the second reading of this Bill until the papers called for by Colonel Skef tington were upon the table of the House. In answer to , the question from the Hon. Meinber-opposito (Mr. Hume), he beg ged to say that the saving would be about 30,0001. The esti mate of the last year had been 139,000/. Colonel BAGWELL declared that the reduction proposed could not be carried into execution without a direct breach of faith ; and stated that it would plunge a large body of men, with wives and families, into a condition of deep and untie- served distress. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that as his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Goulburn) consented to postpone the Bin until the re quired documents were before the House, he would not have risen on the' present occasion if it had not been said by the Right Hon. Gentleman that the proposed reduction was a breath of faith;, faith ought to be observed towards every individual, and more particularly t9wards a military body. There was no breach of faithin thepeoposed measure, and he saw no din. culty in etrectibg the reduction. If there was violation of faith in it, the same was already - done in England. The breach of faith imputed to his Right Honourable Friend, was his pro posal to repeal an Act of Parliament. The Act of 1802 gaye a certein proportion of corporals, sergeants, • and drummers to each regiment ; but Was it to be supposed that utter a peace that Act could not be repealed. The Act respect ing Ireland was made in 10014, and it was impossible to maintain that Parliement had not at right to repeal or utter both Acts, and make a reduction suitable to the circumstances of the times lie was sorry to have said so much on the tub, ect, as it was again to be before the House; but held in his hand a circular addressed to the Colonels of reghneres in Ire land in 1817. That circular, !Ottr referringeo a communication before addresssed to the same pereons, had these words :—" have it in command from his Excellency the Lord Lieutenant to inform you, that it is not at present intended to make the proposed reduction," &c. The words Y.' at present" dis tinctly implied an intention of a reduction at a future period. As to the polity of the proposed measure, he would offer no opinion until the pavers that were called for were laid on the table. All he at present maintained was, that the reduction proposed by the Irish Government was no breach of faith. Lord PALMERSTON, in answer to a question front an lionuerahle Member opposite (Mr. Hume), as to whether the present motion wee to be a prelude to a similar course • in the English militia, begged to say that the same reduction now romised in Ireland had ' taken place in England in the year 1019. After a few words from Colonel SKUPIWGTOS, leave was given to bring in the Bill. BANK AFFAIRS. ,151 r. °RESPELL called:the attention of the House to the Taal ts :rOadc by the Bank on the balances left in their hands, and of the loss which the public in.ronsequence sustained,— For a great many years these had been enormous, as the ba lances, had amotueed to no less than from 11 .to 12,000,0001. The profit annually thence accruing to the Bank, and the loss to the public, had amounted to between 5 and 600,0001., while the services rendered bptim Bank.were neither more nor less than ordinary banking transactions. It had been stated to him by practical men, with whom he had conversed on this subject, that those services would hare been amply anti liberally re warded by an allowance of 10,0001. per annum. When he called the attention of the House to this subject in 1815, the balance had amounted to the sum which he had tentioned.., They had since been reduced to between 3 and 4,0(40,0001. Ie the last year their amount had been 3.900,0001. But he would ask why so large a auto as even 4,000,0001. should be left in the hands of the Bank unproductive to the country, when, in his opinion, nothing Would be' more easy than to adn'tit the public to a participation in the benefit. If the present Chancellor of the Excheqeer would concede to him what he had never been able to gain from the late Chancellor of the Exchequer,, a Com mittee to enquire. into the subject, he pledged himself to prove the services of the Bank were Insignificant compared with their reward, and he also pledged himself to produce a plan by which, with the Bunk, or independent of the Bank, the public might be admitted to participate in the profits arising from the balances in question. That were the services of the Bank ? They might 13e described to be comprehended in the manageinent of the debt, the payment of the dividends, and the Making of the daily transfers. On this, as in every other occasion, he was ready to bear testimony to the masterly and exeellene manner in which these services were performed, but what he had to complain of Was, that they Were considerably overpaid. Ile moved, that there should be laid - before the House an account of the ,balance of cash in the hands of the Bank of Englan& The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not wish to provoke a discussion on this occasion, and as he had no ob jection to give the papers which had been called for, he hoped it would not be thought disreipectful towards the lion. Gentle man or towards the House, if he declined entering into the subjects touched upon in the course of his speech. - He was much obliged to the lion. Gentleman for the information which he had endeavoured to afibrd him, as he stood in need of all that he could obtain from every quarter. lie hoped it would not be undeestood, that by abstaining from reply, he acqtri. esced in that had fallen from the Hon. Gentlemen, or gave any pledge for his : flame conduct. When the papers should be on the table, he would be prepared to, give his opinion on any plan which the lion. Gentleman might be:pleased to bring forward. Mr; BA RING said, in every Session his Honourable Friend brought forward this subject, and though his statements were regularly refitted, he constantly returned to the attack. lie. did not sae that tiny great griMACC retained to be complained of, ,since the balances in the hands - of the Bank had been re duced from between 1.1 and 12,000,0001. to between 3 and 4,000,00 W. for which the Public received some compensation, I,Vhee the Bank Charter was about to be renewed, the Public balances likely to remain In their hands were estimated by Mr. Pitt at from 4 to f,,000,0001. Ilk Honourable, Friend corn. plained, though they were reduced to between three and 4,000,0001. ; and though he must admit that something was due to the Bank, and that balances to the amount which he had mentioned were contemplated when the Company paid for the renewal of their Charter. Ntrhen the time arrived for re. newieg the Bank, (hater, he would agree that it ought then to be considered. what.advantagosniight:be secured to the Pub. but at present he saw no cause for complaint. Mr. MANNING would offer no oppesithin whatever to the motion, and derived considerable satisfaction from the moderate tometakeri by the lion. Gentleman on this occasion e Sofar Was he from objecting to the motion, that he gave the Hon. Mem ber his best thanks . for having brought it forward. With re gard to the mantigement of the debt, he would remind the lion. Gentleman that:there were annual returns made to the House, which afforded every information. The lion. Member con cluded his observations, scarcely any of which reached the gal lery; by saying, that he should take another opportunity, upon it more fit occasion ; of showing to the House, what he was con fident he could ehow, that there was not the smallest shadow of ground for the charges that had been made against the.conduCt of the Bank. ' Mr. RICARDO said, that be should take the liberty of re commending to the Right lion. the Chancellor of the Lx. chequer, if during hie administration he should have any (ran-sections With the Bank of England,.uf be-particularly careful nit to let them over-reach , him.„—{A laugh 4-1 le was persuad ed, that if the charter of the Bank, instead of the existing nee nopoly, were opened to public 'competition, an immense deed more won - Übe given for it than at present. It was 'impossible to see the vast advantages which the Dank - had derived, with out being persuaded that the bargains they made were greatly in their favour, and such as he hoped would never again be made by any other Minister. • - Mr. ORENFELIe Wished to make- a few remarks upon. what had fallen from his lion. Friend near hint (Mr. Baring). -His Hon. Friend, it was true, was no longer connected synth. the Bank of England. But it should be recollected that at the time when he exposed the abuses ofehat establishment, his Mee Friend - was a Direetore When, - -therefore, his lion. Friend came forward on all occasions as the champion of the Bank, he was not to be considered as a disinterested supporter of their conduct. It was not at :all strange to see him always ready to defend measures to which be had been himself a party; and which measures he(Mr. Grenfell) believed he had held up to the reprobation of that house and of the public. 'His lion. Friend went back" to the charter, and argued thatehe agree nient with .Mr. Pitt provided that all questions of balances should be dosed. Did his lion. Friend recollect, he wits Sure. he did not, or he could not have advanced this, that in one measure of Mr. Percival's three millions had been allowed for compensation for ballencesl Did he also forget that in 1813 the late Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Vansittart, introduced Bill, in consequence of the repeated discussions which the subject had undergone in that House, which took away six millions front the. Bank on the same account ? He would ask, whether theywould have thus given up nine millions, if the question of balances had been closed It was impossible to say, that it had beets in•the- face of Mr. Percival's transaction with the Bank. His lion. Friend said, upon the subject of charges for management, that they only amounted to seven or eight-pence in the pound. This might be true, and seven-pence appeared a very small stint ; but when it 'came to be annually levied upon the whole capital, amounting as it did lust year to 270,0001. it was a sum not to be thrown away in the present cir cumstances of the- country, lie hoped the Right • lion. Gent. would give his, attention to this subject. Ile had no hesitation in saying, that .100,0004 might be saved front this sum. If the Right Honourable Gentleman and the Ilouse would • support him in inetituting an inquici ii he would pledge himself to _prove that 200,0001. might be say by proper regulations. Ile did not know whether he should not shortly move for &Select Com mittee rn the subject, and he should at least look wills Hon. Friend Mr. Baring) for his support. Mr.DARING was desirous of saying a few words 'in ex planation. What he‘said upon the question of compensation for balances was, not that it was closed, but that the balances being reduced below what they were at the time of granting the charter, the Bank ought not to be called upon to make' compensation for that which they had already more than coin; tiensated for. 'With regard to the -recommendation of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Ricardo), he was satisfied that nothing could be, snore injurious to the public credit, or to the capital and circu lation of the country, than the thriving of hard bargains with . the Bank, so that it should scarcely kno* from year to year whether it were solvent or not. Mr. RICARDO did not partake the fears of his Honourable Friend, who scented afraid that the Chancellor of the Excite- Auer would be too hard fur the Bank. When it was considered that its capital amounted - to 14 or 15 millions, it was not very likely that the credit of the Bank would be hurt by the sort of bargain which it made with the Chancellor of the Exchequer. (A laugh.) Mr. MABERLV contended, that although the allowance to' the Bank for the management of the debt was nominally only 4, per cent., yet that in reality it amounted to 6 per cent. He was quite willing . that the .Bank should have a liberal bargain ; but it was most. important that legal opinion should ascertain the great question of whether the Act of Parliament which gave a certain rate of charge for the management of the debt was bind ing and imperative. Ile knew there were various opinions upon the subject, but he thought investigatlan.would lead to a legal decision, diet the Act was not binding for the whole period of the charter. Mr. HOLE rose to throw out a suegeition which he believed was not new—in case the charter should not be renewed, the establishing a National Bank. By studs a.measore a million and a half might be Keyed to the country. , A Government pos. sessing it revenue of 50 or 00 million, might keep up a circula tion of 41) millions without difficulty or inconvenience. This was a bold measure ; but he wet as confident of itepracticabi, lity 33 he was of any thing upon which he had ever formeitl an opinion. lithe present Chancellor of the Exchequer survived The Charter —(A letigh.)—he meant .in office—he hoped be would propoee, a plan of that natureeand by such means avail hituselt of a new and extensive source for Ways and Means. • The SPEAKER then read from the Chair the accounts de tailed in the motion. Upon that which related to the amount of s U ir n . c . 1 1 a . 4 11 1 1 1 R D T lvidend lN rose to ask the Right Hon. the Chancel, • for of the ExchiqUer, whether ft was his intention that accounts of at! Unclaimed Dividends should be laid before the House? It could not be wished that die Government should eyed itself' of the property of individuals. The CHANCELLOR of theEXCHF.QCE It said, he should have no object* to the production of any documents relating to the subject. Upon. question front awreN, we understood • Mr. Matestetta that Bets of such property would be publised. .111reORENVELL did not rise to trespass• furthei upon the House,. but for the purpose of communicating information. An Huh: Friend of his had referred to the ckpediency tit' having a legal decision upon the Act which fixed the rate of charges for the management of the debt. The opinions of Sir Samuel Shepherd, thee Attorney.-General, and of the present Attorney- General, then Solicitor-General, had been taken, - and they de cided that the. transaction could not be opened'. But no legal opinion, was, infallible: Much depended .upon .the manner In. which a case Wag put ; and, lie had immediately observed that the case in question Ives put in an objectionable Manner. He was confident that, if properly drawn up, the case would be re. turned with a different opinion. Mr. ,MANNING chntended that the opinions of the Lord Chief Baron of Scotland and of the Solicitor-General Were'such as left no doubt as to the legal construction or the Act, and that it could not be disturbed without the consent of both parties.. The motion was then pUt and carried. Lord A. /Milli LTOINT revived a notice which lie had given in .luly.last, relative to Megistrates in Scotland, but we could MA hear the date'for which the motion was Heed, SUPPLY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Day for bringing up the Report of the Commit. tee of Supply. • Air. HUME said he wished to ask a question of the Right lion. the Chancellor of the Exchequer. In the last Session he had moved for a return of the interests received upon money deposited in'Saving Banks. Ile stated that the - 00Vernment only received three per cent. for the money it advanced ; and asked whether there was any intention of proposing measures by which the public should be prevented front sittrering this loss. The CHANCELLOR of the EkCIIEQUER said, that his present answer to the Hon. Member's question was perhaps one that he should be obliged to, give to many others. It was that of not having had time to give his attention as yet to the subject...-(Hear !)-41e admitted that it was one•highly de. serving attention. Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report of the Committee of Supply, U and several resolut WC'S were agreed to. Mr. HME gave n o tice that he should to4norrow move for copies of ail' communications made or received by the Govern ment, relative to the efothhig of die Staff in Jersey. Also for a return of the number of persons placed on half-pay as Majors of Brigade in Ireland. IN DEM NIT Y BILL. The Indemnity Bill went through a Comthittee. Report to. morrow. COLONIAb TRADE BILL. Upon the motion of Mr. WI - CatoTT the West Indio an AmericAn Colonies Trade Bin wits tommittett. Report to. morrow, • IRISH AIILITIA REDUCTION BILL. Dr. PHI LLIMORE brought in a Bill for the more speedy reduction of the Sergeants, Corporals, and I)nunnmers of the Stall' of the hlilitia in Irelane. Read a first time, and ordered for a second reading this day sennight. Mr. IL SUMNER moved fora series of returns relative to the port dues and charges paid by vessels ,entering into or clearing Out of the port of Dublin for the last time years, stet ing by what authorities levied. Oulered.—Adjourned. PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. :Au:tufty or Commoss.;_ Maras, 18° Vie Februarii 18 4 3 - • Ito Aus•--Saltash,. Hinckley. and LutterwOrth, and Market Ilar -borough and Coventry—Bills ordered*. Wrexhiun and Barn: hill, Alfreton. and Derby, WigtoWn, Stonnal Castle, &c. Wellingborough, Otley and Sktpton, and Wansford and Bourne—Pennons for Bills, referred to Conuuittees. GAS LIGHT —Paisley, Dublin, and Stara ford Petitions for Bills, IhIDGE AND CAUSEWAY — frayling referred to Coin . Doc x mimes. FisllElLY—Einsworth B RIDG E s—Haw, and Lary—Bills read a 2tl time, & committed. lamovEmENTs—Carlisle—Petition for Bill referred. to a Committee. Portman-sqaure—Bill ordered. SMALL DEBTS—Select Committee appointed, "to inquire into the • mode in • which Debts amouung to less than Fifteen Pounds, are recovered in England and Wales, and to report their observationi thereen to the House." Power to send for persons, papers, and records ; tive to be the quorum. INDEMNITY 0 be re p is day). orted to-mor • J. 1 1 . 1/ ADE— West India and American row tth, Colonies NOTICES - OF MOTIONS for THIS :DAY. 1. Mr. Hume—Abolition of the Office of Lieutenant-General • of the Ordnance. • 2. Mr. Herries—Bill to regulate the appointment and swearing into office of. - the Chancellor of the Exchequer of Ireland. 3. Lord Archibald Hamilton—Return 'of -.the Town Councils .• of the several Royal Burghs of Scotland. ORDERS of the DAY for THIS DAY. 1. Yeomanry Corps (Ireland) Bill—Second Reading. 2. Arms (Ireland) Bill—Second Reading. 3. Supply—Committee. d. Ways anti Means—Committee. 6. indemnity Bill—Report. 0. West India and American Colonies Trade Bill;—Repcirt. NOTICES GIVEN YESTERDAY. Thursdaii, Feb. 20. Lord John Russell—Committee to obtain Returns relating to the Charters, and number of Voters in each Borough sending Members to Parliament (deferred from Feb. 18.) Friday, Feb. 21. • Sir John Osborn—Note of Seamen. (In Committee of Sup. . ply)—(deferred from Feb.l9.) - Monday, Feb. 24. Mr. Ilume..4lalf.pay or Allowances of Officers retired from the Yeomanry of Ireland, and of 'England :—Corruyond.. ence with the Privy Council respecting the Staff and cloath. ing of the 31ilitia of Jersey. Thursday, Alarch 6. Mr. Goulburn—Proposition regarding the commutation o Tithes (Ireland). Thursday, April 17. Mr. Plunkett—Catholic Question (deferred from Feb. 20.) AT a , Numerous • and Resp'ectatkie M CET ING, held at the GEORGE and VULTURE TAVERN, Cornhill, London, on Friday, 14th of Febru ary; 1143, • HENRY SMITH, Esq. in the Chair, It was Resolved • - . That the present time affords a proper opportunity to urge the claims of the Inhabitants of London and its environs, to relief from the Coast Duty on Coal. • That we are so satisfied of the impolicy of any Duty upo . n Coal, that we will not, at any time, countenance any proposi tion that will have the effect of extending the Duty upon Coal for home consumption., That the Inhabitants of LondOn and its vicinity be invited to attend a General Meeting, for the . purpose of considering and adopting the best means of obtaining relief from the Coast Ditty on Coal. That a.Connitittee of Sixty Gentlemen be appointed, to pre pare the business for such General Meeting, and to take such measures,, (by Communication with other persons who are now affected by the Coast Duty on Coal) or otherwise, as they shall see tit, towards obtaining re li e f fr o m thi s p ar ti a l Tax. That a Public Meeting be called at the C l ay of London Ta vern, Bishopsgate.Street, for FRIDAY, tho 21st Instant, at One o'Clock, to consider the provriety of a Memorial to His Majesty's Mtnisters t ,anti of a Petition to Parliament,' for relief from the Coastwise Duty on Cold. Sir CHARLES I'RIOE, Bart. in the Chair. The Chair will be taken at TWO o'Cloek. precisely. F Duty 9s. thl. per Chaldrun.—London pays .'.oQ,botli. per annum. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. !Iv SKISSo.ti and Mr. ARBIT T OT took the Oaths 4na their Seats. Several Petitions relative to Private Bills were brought up ar.4 read. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' ACT. Mr. WYVILL presented a Petition against the Insolvent Debtors' Act, from the City of York. Mr. DICKINSON presented-one , on the same subject from Shepton Sir T. LETHBRIDGE supported the prayer of the Petition. The Hon. Baronet &iid lie had never pledged himself, as-some Llentlemen seemed to understand, to originate a measure he 'on the subject ; but he would zealously supportany Aem ber who- should bring forward any measure to amend the Law in 'this respect. There was no subject, he s convinced, ti? which the great mass of the people looked was ,with more anxiety. MARRIAGE -ACT. Mr. DICKENSON presented a 'nation from Walton agamst the Marriage Act, com pl a i n ing in particular of its being appointed to be read in Churches. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' ACT. • Mr. W. H. WHITBREAD presented a petition from the Merchants and Bankers of Bedford ag,ainet the Insolvent Debtors' Act. • STAFF ,AND M ILITIA OF IRELAND. Colonel.sKErrisoTON moved that there be laid before • the House Copies of all Letters addressed from Dublin Castle to the Colonels Commandants of the regiments of Irish Mi- litia; as also Copies of the Remonstrance of the same date ; and also fur a Return of the Strength of the Staff of these Regi ments on June 24, 1817, and,on the same day of every sub-se quent year. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' ACT. Mr. CORBETT _presented a petition from Shrewsbury, against the Insolvent Debtors' Act. Mr. GREY BENNET supported the Petition, and sug gested that a Committee should be 'appointed, to which ail these Petitions might be referred. Alderman WOOD rose to ask the 'Hon: Secretary opposite (Mr. Betties) if the sum which had been a pp ro p riated for a Building' for the Insolvent Debtors' Court had yet been ex- Fended ? If not, it seemed to be an extravagant expenditure without a cause. The Court already occupied other apartments nearer all the prisons, from which Insolvent Debtors could be brought. Mr. BERRIES, Secretary to the-Treasury, said the money had been appropriated in making additions And improvements in the Insolvent Debtors' Court, and that at a future time all the details of the expenditure would be laid before the House. SMALL DEBTS. Lord ALTIIORP, after a few remarks. upon the great ad. vantage that would arise to the public from 11, more cheap and speedy mode of recovering small debts, and after alluding to the method pursued in . Scotland, where debts to the amount of Si. were obtained by summary process before two Magistrates, moved for a Selecttunlnlittee to inquire into the mode in which debts nnounting to less than 15/. were recovered in England and Wales. Mr. WARRE seconded the motion: a legislative measure . for the purpose named would be of etreat value: Mr. LITTLETON thought that the Magistrates of Eng land would object to exercising such a jurisdiction as the Nable Lord ioetried to propose. Lord A IeTHORP explained, that he, did not , intend to re commend the Scotch system, but merely to throw it out as one of the points fur the consideration of the, Conunittee. The Committee was then appointed, of which the following • Lehi Viscount Altiverp,,,llr. Attorney-Gesievil, Mr., Soliel, tor-Gemara, Lord Viscount Normanby, Sir Edward linatch bull, Mr. Abeacromby, Mr. Fowell Buxton, Mr. Chetwynd, Mr. James Drummond, tieneral Uascoyne, Mr. Maephereon ()rent, Sir Elieb Harvey, Mr. liobliouile, Mr. Lennart), Mr. ,l,, f ittleton, Mr. Lockhart, Mr. John. Smith, Mr. Robert Smith ('of Lincoln), Mr. Tennyson, Mr. Warne, air. John Williams,_ and Mr. Thomas Wilson. • CATTioiiie QUESTWN. Sir NEWI)OII,T wished to call the attention of the House' for a, few moments to a subject whichwas nearer his heart. than any other. Ile hail come to London with a perfect conviction Of the propriety of the time named for bringing forward the mo mentous question regarding the claims of the Roman Catho lics; but he found, Witch to his regret, that the state of Ire: )seal was at, this moment so little understeod , in all its bearings and relations by the English Members of the House, that it would not be dealing fairly by the subject' if it were brought irandiscussion without an opportunity being afforded to Mein., bent to make themselves more intimately acquainted with it.-;- 11.rhatevea might be the event,' It was most important that those Svirt Were to 'decide shout be thlly apprised of the real condition 'of Ireland.-et Hear, heir !)—Under these circumstances, with great reluctance he abandoned his first wish, anti now earnestly pri:ferred i.is requeet to the Right Honourable Gentleman op. pinta (Mr. Pliankett), that he would postpone the debate antil after the recess. He did so as . a sincere friend of the measure, and from a due regard to the dignity of the House, which ought not to proceed to determine without full infinmation. He hoped abet the question would be brought ferward at as early it period Easter as possible.—( Hier!) ..11r. CA NNIN(i agreed entirely in what had fallen from the Hon: Baronet, thought, had nut so tried a friend of Ireland and of • the Catholic Claims afforded hint countenance, he should have helitated to express,sucli an opinion. He was clearly and decidedly convinced, that the temper of the country and of the house on the present situation of Ireland wet not such as to ;allow the Catholic question afair bearinge—(Cheers.)—t)n the cotrary, the diecussion of that topic, it it were now brought ferward, would be mixed up with many temporary, end, he .bupe4l, transitory matters, which in 4 short, tnno might be di vested of all the false colouring that appeered to attend them. tic therdore heartily joined with the Hon. Itaronet iti the ,eile 4eatiort he had made, hoping that it would, not be thought that sny..oiedge was thereby abandoned, but that the object Was to • itnprove the chance of ultimate snecess.---( tie" !) 4i r STEWART, in a very low tone, from under the right hand Ipiliert, was understood to advert with some severity to the hue law proceedings in Ireland, observing that many of the .most loyal ixihhabi.tantsa of that country felt sore regarding them. Fyn collected also, thst he Intimated an intention of bringing them under the notieu of die House in Borne . shape or other liereatler. He wits proceeding, when Tile SPE'AKER interpoved, and bogged to know if the Finn.. Member intended to conclude with a motion. Ona reqtiest of ehts kind vow before the House, it had been usual to iillow the statement of reasons in proportion to the importanceof thu sub j:!et. ; but the Hon. Gentleman appeared to be tlercending to theasartieulars of some charge or imputation, coupling with it . various observations. It appeared, therefore, to be his (the 4ctitker'st duty to ieterfere, in order to learn if the Honour. able Gentleman meant ;to conclude With any definite primp.; sition ? wrow.utt replied in the negative, and resumedhis seat: • Mr. vr.AINKSTT, without the warning of the admonition juet • given from the chair,did not intend 'Linen) have occupied the attention of the . House. Perlinpa lie .should he excused; however for seying„..in reference to what had been last said that hati ' b ou ld feel happy that the 'subject alluded to would fall into the hands of a gentleman who would treat it with ability and temper at. hetet, the introduction of it would not be by an enemy, and it would proceed; no doubt, front a strong s eem ; of duty. a Whenever thek treso.oll wits brought forward, he should not Ahriok 'from meeting it, .anti hoped to be able to give the house and the cult ntry the fullest satisfaction.—(lieer, hear.)--With reeerd to the request originating with the Right ,lfon. Baronet, arid eilfurcol by his Right non. Friend, he felt: placed in i situation, not of entharrassment,eabecause, un alai, the eirconistanee:s, he lied no difficulty in deciding, how he aet,—bitz in a situation of grime impleesantniets as to' varioos menibers to tvlioni he must owe a can iderable apology, and who, petty :TN .at t; ill inconvenience, bait felt rt their duty to come tr London to attend on this important ques tion. In consenting to the postponement, he was influenced by no relUOtallt-;e On his-own part to discharge ilia duty--byno feelings of ..personal convenience. lied lie differed from his f r i e nds on oils point, he could 110tilaVe been so rash as to hring forward the Catholic claiins so early es lie had intended, but es his fueling% entirely coincided 'with those of °the n m, ereedpect ing the unfortunete circum a t a ncee existing in Irelad, n still relipeeting the vneral Went of informationin this Muse' and country,upon the subject, be could dot but conourin the impassibility of discussing the question without all the infor mation it. nate-aurae required._ On tins point he was sure cvety Zlgniter would agree, whether inclined to support or to oppose that chOlot of the Roman Cattiolites—they ought not to be contused without the cOmplatest lights and tim e m perfect ;temper.--(Hear, hear !)—The only remaining point ws, tll the there fore, to.fix day for the debate, that would tto justice PARLIAMENTARY PAPER.. 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SOLEN VC IS DIOERE .t'ALSUM AUD13.47..Y LONDON, WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 1823 Considerable alarm prevailed in the City yes terday, in consequence of the great naval prepa rations of France having at length become no torious; and some of our contemporaries have expressed their sufprize at the suddenness with which the evidttnce of so important a fact has burst upon them, and their hope that Govern ment has not also beeu taken by surprise, by, the preparations of a Power with whom we may have once again to contend on ;tire Oceart.—The Readers of Tug SUN have been for some titue aware that France was equipping her fleets, on an extensive scale,—that she had been sEently, though actively, engaged in naval preparations for upwards of twelve months,—that there was reason tp fear that those preparations were directed against this Country, —and that our Ministers were not , only acquainted with these proceedings and designs, but were using prompt ce of Great measures for placing the naval f or Britain in a corresponding state of efficiency., These facts we communicated to our Reader"; some time since. GREECE.--I . ust cause of Greece are on the point of bong t appears that our w ishes for the accomplished, at least as far as regards the beau tiful Peninsula of the Peloponnesus, which we littve pointed out as the citadel of reviving liberty to the Country of LEoNIDAS and 11tcrt.toss,Bs the place which will perform in the history of regenerated Greece, the same part wllich th° mountains of Asturias and Galicia performe d ill the annals of the deliverance of •Spain front.the oppression of the Moors. • The capture of Napoli di Romania is an event as important for Greece as would be that or A Napoli Alexandria for Piedmont, or ihat of Strasburg for the East of France. Na I s been termed the Gibraltar of the )lorea the stronge st fortress of Turkey in Europe ; and be who has the pos session of Napoli is master of the Peloponnesus, Such is the fortress conquered by the perseverin; valour of the Greeks, lost by t tornan stupidit y ' If we add, that the Greeks are in posses s- ° the positions of Hydra, Ypsara, and Malvasia, all equally strong, it cannot, he denied that they may entertain a hope of soon appearing in the rank of independent States. OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF THE TAKIN G ()1. • POLI DI ROMANIA. To TUE ILLUSTRIOUS SENATE, For the innocent blood which has been shed in torrent', --ttoe has at length favoured us with a comp ensat ion in the taking 1)f. redoubtablePalamede; for the victorious ar ms of the ] letters fi ; have triumphed this day, and the standard of the Cross 311ta. floats upon that celebrated fortress. Nor the B e llenists ts..hr: the fruits of their efforts; Palamede having been iiik en out any effusion of blood. .We shall give immedi onlst‘lll,°.(ile of it to the Central Government. There remains de. bastio n o f 130seria, which is yet defended b y a few Toki " I ! ° f4it sire toretire with their arms into the suburb. Def ena C ts ! c i a re Peloponnessus, let us rejoice, and take the measures ;do yet necessaryfor although we have establ ished the throughout, and put seals upon the Magazines of pos" lci '. h a ll Chiefs must come here, seeing that the Paella hitnself, it 0, the ileys and A gas, insist upon remaining heritintil they a"' .,4 We are, &c. STAIKO STAIKOPU, • DEMETRIUS IsTALWO,.: CONSTANTINE GIIIGN, Georges Berboybus, ANAGOSTI At Palamede, 30th Nov. (Old Style), 1132:3. Yesterday arrived three members of the Central lir uulos.;to.regulate the conditions of the surrender of ,N Jean Iconimitli, and Constantine_T_ li 4i Romania. Tripolizza, Ist December (Old Style), 113?"1. occupied by the proc o ee f d S i Deputies ) 0 e : pt powers Si ui Secondary cc i e ouo s nsrst o lsi a : u s Saturday. rneysh or great 1 e A t 1l , Report The Paris Papers of , it are cb iell , e a t:ohycatil'einCte°re'sint.itAettelseet'adhobeicfl Medical Petition P tl::;bill'it.ch 1;1:111:::f:gityl:::1,11°:( School s l hme nu i gn it sd s oa t fy i f I.l l % , ll l l , ' o ' r l i .C t s l e l l i : l a b/ el . 3 r ; c debate, in which MM. Cistro It rEalti" 110 ing for a law to regulate the formatioti "-11 % \im • s i ,i t ie t i d inic i hb c. aetrperdoo of the that measure. 7 g liii- HAUVELIN reprobated the suppression of t o :Medical School of, Paris • and M. do C Onllll ,. , u o• . m to ea t s h u e re. ch A atn : e i l r l :::::;- 1::: 0 01 ; t cussion arose on the report from the slid' b i rd „ litcuANGY shottld, in consequence of " e o ,i of qualification, be declared Inadmissible 0,4 Chamber. M. dealer (r ' no persisted, f notwithstanding repeated ir - i rei i, rom the right, and i n ti ma tions froal t ilt ' 1 1, at , deut of that he was not in order, in callilvt" t , i, ja o p. . the Chamber to the circumstance g ' P o of f elector, and being inscribed on the list of l \ i Tort i,, , i fke r e wished the Prefect. of Nievrc, Vlb°is V 1,40 it o' meats relative to the election had bee° ''''' ) i tt lO t should removedexclamations from no t boe t nb b yp e bt, ao l r l trn t g : i r ri e tes t a iaed u tde tNl in o s if f %t e l i the jo era to v , I pr rs a T i e r o. C oy : i c at ,A f i e c i l l i a e Atd n ' . e l l l l . : :: 1 : 1 : II I :1 r i 11 : 4 , . i .' I- : I l o C ti - 1 11 1 1 : 1 : * , A t 1 0ifil t adopted. Court N it was decided ,i A' . c it il e i p N ort t , hei t i o ni re7e e r it' a ' ll as th a e n tlo an cu le m ti e dtllnte:Eltel:ttllv r e it°'d o ti r l d e e e r l t e l c ia ti t o t n he ° ;ot t t h d e nc t‘ t i o il f lis f t u e r r ic o t r io t tl i:riet3nt:ri'l:l'l';:cl been concerned in rnakitia 'false l i g hts e'lgi f ittbe obuofferAit liftic examined. M: de VaLENEUVE, P refeCt (6 4 ' . be 1 4 1 , Ntevre, endeavoured to Vindicate t ad .e - i ' l h . ARCIIANGY on the list of eligibles: bec i . - I : 0 l it t twi t: a o d ss em i paidn ao i (fl ß:2 l.3B l l:l2th ile., a r(tiehge:otrirqtl)unii,esfint e t itlial t a t t i: ye e z o i a tt i : : , irne t w 3S „ t ilia p i lAtaiac:Gd Collegespri ',tnvoitollifcetloil exercised . 11.. e r c i s e d the much violent language, the ament.--11 i, r oll' i. jected, and the recommendatio n of t' sr' , I go ad . Nuncio at rived at Bayonne on the the or ° P fttif for the Hans The Journal des Dbals contradicts a l o t t b a diplomatist of. the first ranlc . being los ° 9 proceed from Vienna to Madrid, An y , t 6 o f ,I, i ; t the contrary that the .A.ustriati Secretor.' rAtiol ion, who was left at Madrid as Charel i $ On Frida Co u n t - p 01 1-3°llD-AaAttv y, ozzo long conference with the Count & Towns, has been reel lieu G . .o 111/11,,t,