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lative ensament should extend to the whole Empire, surety this was that enadment.;' ingead'of th&nderation extended only to England and Wales, , -and was I,ot even extended to Seethed. The pro visioes of the Bill for Iperating persons confined on process tur small debts, were not extended to Ire land, although he confessed - he could see no possible 'reason tor tiseir not having been so extended. But to return to the subject to which he then wished to draw, the attention of the House, namely, the ascer taining the population of Ireland : he observed, that the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. (Mr. Rose), ilAy whom a Bill for the purpose of ascertaining the population of Great Britain had been moved ; had expressed .a difficulty in applying the principles of the measure to the' Sister Kingdom. For his part, he (Sir J. Newport) was not aware of any such dif ficUlty. In the Bill which he should have the ho -nour to propose, it was his intentioniahoUld his mo tion be acceded to, as it was impra6licable for the _ Legislatures° avail themselves in Ireland of the pa rochial management which was so convenient for their purpose in Great Britain, to submit to the House the necessity of having recourse to other me= thods.. In the first place, it should be considered, there was in Ireland, a peculiar means of supplying the deficiency supposed to exist in that respell. He meant to propose, for the purpose Of ascertaining the Irish population, to avail himself of Grand Juries and officers employed by them -in 'making county presentments. Into the details of this proposition he would not then enter. They would come with a better grace in a subsequent stage of the proceed ing, should the House allow him to bring in his Bill. He - would only observe, that under the present circumstances, he thought it advisable to avoid pro viding in the Bill any eligious distinctions among the population which it was intended to ascertain.— He did not wish to set the natives of the same Coon. , tty in hostile array against each other, because they were of different religious creeds ; not that he cop ceived any serious evil would accrue, for he believed that if ever there was a crisis in which the inhabi tants of Ireland were determined to a& in defence of the'ConStitution, if was since they had become a part of the United Empire; and be was more and more convinced,. that Whatever pains might be taken to disunite them, they would remain united in de fence of the common-interests of the country. To revert to the measure which he was about to pro pose, he cleclareckahat he did not think that it ought to be a temporary; but a permanent a6l of the L egislature. In his opinion, a census of the people, taken at certain intervals . , afforded to a Legislature grounds' for providing due means, for their Govern ment.' Until that census had for some time been regularly repeated, it was impossible'io 'expect ac curate returns; for if the people took if into their heads that it was merely a measure dictated by the policy of the moment; for the purpose of taxation or finance, the conseqrience would be a suspension or deficiency in the statement of the population.— This assertion would be Mustrated by a 'reference to the returns for Great Britain, - ; for it was im possible that any thinking-mind could attribute the great apparent increase in those returns, during the last" t%senty years, to any _other source ; particularly when it was observed that the ap parent 'increase was the *greatefit, in those very dis tricts in which the continuance of the war must ne cessarily have tended to diminish rather than to augment the population. To what -was this to be ascribed but that the people in 1801, conceiving that the Bill for ascertaining the population of the kingdom would be .followed by some general mea sure of taxation, held back the returns, and that in 181 0, having repeatedly experienced that no such evil resulted, they came forward fairly, and abandon ed all evasion ? It was on thii ground that in the Bill which he wished to be allowed to bring in, he meant to introduce a clause enaEting, that in a given number of years (he would perhaps say seven) the Census should be repeated in Ireland. He would not trouble the Housegat greater length on the sub jed at present, but would simply move for leave to bring in a Bill for taking an account of the popula tion of Ireland, and of the increase or diminution thereof . . . Mr. ROSE declared, that he had not the slightest objection to the motion of the Hon. 'Baronet, and that he had gof up merely to vindicate himself from the charge of having negle&ed to include Ireland in the provisions of the Bill,,,vhich he had himself sub mitted to the House on this subjea. The reason was, • his consciousness of his own inability to -sug gest any mode by which the provisions of that Bill might be carried into effe& in Ireland. He had never conceived that it would be improper to ascer tain the state of the population of Ireland ; but quite the contrary. Indeed, he found a sufficient excuse for his omission in the speech of the Hon. Baronet,. Who himself allowed that the proyisions of the Eng lish Bill were not applicable to Ireland. He repeat ed that he thought the measure extremely %Vise and and proper. He was heartily glad the Honourable Baronet had taken it up. It was in very good hands, and if he could assist the Honourable Baronet, it would give him great pleasure lb do só.• He was I.appy to find that the Honourable Baronet did not intend to propose that the religious clistinaions of she Dish population 'should be marked in the re 'turns, for be perfectly agreed with the Hon. Bart. 'that whatever alight be the religion of the people of Ireland or of the people of Great Iritain, there were few instances, either in the - one kingdom Or the 'other, in which the inhabitants were not zealously 'attached to the interest of - their country. He thought it also extremely - desirable that the measure should 'be periodical, for he allowed that in a single in stance, to take the populatio❑ of the country was by no means satisfactory. At the same tithe 'ha by no means admitted, that the increase in the returns for Great Britain, dufing the last ten years, was solely attributable to the cause to which it had been ascribed by the Hon. Bart. On invcsligating the circumstances very closely, he was persuaded that there had been a real and considerable increase in the population of the island; and he instanced the case of a village in the neighbourhood in which be usually resided, the population of which had, to his certain knowledge, increased during the last ' ten years, from 880 to 1030. He concluded by giving his hearty 'assent to the Molion.—Leave - granttd. M.. EDEN gave notice that on Tuesday he would niove for a Committee to tale into cOnsiderathn the the House ought- to have some further information on the subject. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER in reply, . , stated,it to be difficult for the Queen's Council to say, what the former expences might be whiCh bad in part been incurred before that Council was form ed. The subsequent expenc?s they Could .not be expelled to give an opinion on, but with, a refer ence to what the expellees had been before, and they might be expeeted to vary, in consequence of the changes which had taken place. He then pro ceeded, but in a very low tone, to explain certain. circumstances connealed with the manner in which these charges were to be met. Mr. TIERNEY then put a question to lite Right Hon . . Gentleman respecting the applicaii;4l of dip' Moog'. annually derived from the Duchy of Lajr,- Caster. . - " The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated the surplus thence arising to be paid, in consequence of a provision made last year, into his Majesty's Privy Purse,• ar;cl to be thence issued for the payment of his Majesty's MediCal Attendants, 8": c., as far as it would go. The Patronage went - to the Crown. S,ir J. NEWPORT wished to know if any notice bad been taken of that portion of the Civil List of Ireland, payable to the Crown ? The, CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER believed the state of that fund to be such at present, that it was very far from yielding any thicfg like a surplus for the King orr the Regent. For this reason, it bad been adverted to by 'him, as' he had conceived it rather to want assistance than to be able to yield a surplus revenue. • - Sit J. NEwPoß7.understood the Civil List of Ire- - land to be limited, with : r e s p e a to gianting pen sions, till the pensions,ciargeable on it were re (Need to 80,0001. per annum. Ile thought this subje& ought to be attended to, as the time was now fast 'approaching, when the importance of ibis fund would greatly increase,. many of the lives on it at present being very ol& Some provision he thought was necessary, as at' pres - ent th,it fund was under no controul to the English Treasury. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER loth - rimed an intention of making some inquiry into the subject. The Report was then brought up and agreed to,. with some additional Clauses which were proposed, one of which was to give her Majesty the poWer•_pf granting pensions to old servants, &c. to a limited extent. The Bill was ordered to be read a third • time on Friday. The Prince Regent's Grant Bill was read:a second time, and committed for Friday. • THE KING'S HOUSEHOLD. - On the third reading ,of the King's Household Bill, Mr. HwrcumsoN took that opportunity of en tering his protest against the measures pursued: He recommended cecooomy as peculiarly necessary in the present situation .01 the country, and of calling the attention of Government to the expences of ambassadors at foreign Courts,, and in particolar'to thoSe of the Envoys to Constantinople and Persia. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECiUER was of opi nion that it would not be prudent to strip our am bassadors at the Courts of Constantinople and Persia, not of their own great splendour, but of that magni fitence which had at ail times been thought neces— sary for the representative of a great Monarch. On such an important step they ought not to decide but after great and mature. deliberation. Mr. ARBUTiINgT said,, that after the renewal of the relations of . Peace between France and the Porte, at the peace of Amiens, BUONAPARTE had been 'so anxious to give every possible eclat to the introduc tion of his Ambassador, that he sent him to Con stantinople, accompanied by the whole -Toulon SqUadron,which had not dared to make its appearance during-the war. He mentioned this fati .to prove that Buonaparte did not agree with Mr. Hutchinson hi thinking that no outward splendour was necessary 'for Ambassadors. Mr. Arbuthnot concluded with saying, that h e s h ou ld d ec li ne replying to what had fallen froth that Honourable Gentleman reipeOing himself (Mr. A.), as an opportunity would soon oceur when he should be able to - enter largely' into the subjea. The 13i1l was read a third time, and passed.— Adjourned. From the LONDON CMZETTE, Jan, 28, 4812. DIVIDENDS. May 9. P, de Baruch Toledano, Great Prescott -street GoodinSn's-fields, merchant, at ono, at Guildh a ll . 4 , Feb. zo. 1. Hurrell, Henny, Essex, miller, at eleven, at the Rose and .Crown, Sudbury. F e b, I. %V.-Reeve Clapham, coach-master, at twe l ve, at .Guildhall, Loniton. • - Feb. 21. T. Hall, Bath, corn-fador, at eleven,,at the Castle and Ball Inn, Bath. Feb. 18'. V. Benton, Stoney well, Longdon, Stafford, miller; at eleven, at the Flitch of B acon , Wi c h nor. Feb, as. F. Bruton!, Crewkerne, butter-factor, at the George Inn, Crewkerne. Feb. 24. 'l'. H. Payne, Cullum -street, London, merchant, at eleven, at the Neptune Inn, Kingston-upon-Hull. Feb. zo. C. Beote and J. Walker, Chester,, hat-manufac turers, at eleven, at the Green Dragon Inn, Chester. Feb. 20. T. Masbiter, Liverpool, merchant, at eleven, at the Globe Tavern , john-street, Liverpool, Feb. to. W. Jones:Liverpool, merchant, at eleven, at the Globe Tavern, John -street. Liverpool. Feb. 18 J. Sills and Co. Hambro' Wharf, London, mer chants, at o:.e, at Guildhall. Feb. rB. E. %Vestal!, litingerford; Wilts, tanner, at twelve, at the Greyhound Inn, Bath. Feb. 22. T. Groom, Bermondsey New Ro4l, fellmonger, at twelve, at Guildhall. Jan. 30. 'l'. Collison, Southampton-row, Bloomsbury, ea binet-maker' at ten, at Guildhall. Feb. Ir. D. Bohlton and Co. Capers-bridge, Lambeth, merchants; at eleven, at Guildhall. • CERTIFICATES, FEBRUAILY fs. , A. Lowe, Croydon, Surrey, cittler. A. Cederberg, Worship-street, tool-maker. Y. Blacklin, New Bridge-street, Lice-merchant, J. Stone, Windsor, haberdasher. J. Mawdsley, Ormskirk, Lancashire, joiner. j. Samtnond, Liverpool, currier. - T. Hurrell, York -street, St., James's-square, taylor. E. Lewis, Cardiff, grocer. P. Smith, Piccadilly, linen-draper. • I. Brown, Liverpool, cotton-manutaBurer. J. Lane, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, carpenter. J. F. Beland, kood-lane, merchant,: T. Forden, Bath, linen-draper. R. Edwards. Monmouth-shop-keeper. W. Clark, Putney, stock-broker. W. Pout ter, Upper Thames-street, wholesale stationer. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. C. W. Peters and Co. Liverpool. N. Wathen and S: Wathen, Nlinchinhampton, Gloucester shire, clothiers. H. M. Featherston and R. D. Wandby, Sutton, Yorkshire, oil refiners. G. Ashforth and Co. Sheffield, silver-platers. LONDON : Printed by 1 tiohiAS WOOO, of No. 35, Maiden-lane, Covent-garden; and 1 übiished by WILLIAM A RMIGE R SCRIPPS, south Al . At the SUN OF.FICE, No, II; Strand, where Advertisements, Orders for the Paper, Letters 19r the Editor, &c, (post-paid, sums charged on the Civil List, and•the probable ex. penditure of tbe same. POLICE MAGISTRATES. Mr. Secretary RYDER "moved to withdraw that part o(the Order of tht: House of the 21st January, • respeding Police Magistrates, which required that they should return an account where and what their qualifications were. The AO of Parliament imposed heavy penalties on thos e individuals who should 'act without due qualification-, and the Order of the House to which he alluded, -and which had been agreed to on the motion of an Hon. Baronet (Sir F. Burdett) weut to compel the Magistrates to say whether or not they had,complied with the provisions of an Act, .the breach of ,which-, subjected them to the heavy penaltY_Of 1001.-for every act of Magis tracy which they had performed. He bad oteMon day given notice of this motion for yesterday. Yes terday morning he had sent a, note to the Hon. Baro net, intiniat:ng to him his intention ; but to this note he received no answer. The Hon. Baronet not appearing in his place yesterday • evening, he had postponed his motion until this (14 ; but- as the Hon. Baronet was again ab , ent, he did not thiali it necessary to delay it any longer. Mr. WEIITBRg&D thought that it was probable the Honourable Baronet, by some inadvertence, was unapprised of the intended. motion, and recommended that it should he again post poned. He- really did not perceive that any im proper hardship would be incurred by the Magis strates, in complying with the let ins of the order.— It might be the Honourable .Baronet's objea to pro- ~ duce, in the only way in which peihaps they could be produced, cases hrwhich Magistrates had violated the provisions of the Act of Parliament. _ _ Alt% Secretary RYDER objected to any further delay on two grounds, the first, that the return to the order was direeted by the House " forthwith," and secondly, that it would be in the Honourable Baronet's power, to make a motion on any day he might think proper to do so, for renewing that part of the &del' which it was ❑ow proposed to rescind. Sir J. NEWPORT thought the ljst ground of the Right Hon. Gentleman &Lost extraordinary. No. thing could be more indecent than that the House should vote on one day what. they rescinded on another, and re•est:tbli,hed on a third. If the Right Gentleman peristed in his motion, he would take the sense of the House upon it. Mr. TIEJINEY opposed the motion. _ _ Mr. KENDRICK maintained that it would be a very inipioper use Of the inquisitorial power of the House of CommOnS to endeavour to obtain from in dividuals evidenCe which .miLticcoaviat them of an offence aaainst the law. . 'Mr. HRNER, argued agaiust the motion, as calcu- lated to sap the coristitutrolial right of inquiry which the House of Commons possessed. The proper officers, and not the magistrates themselves, were called upon by theorder to lay before the House information required. But even were the indi viduals themselves - to afford the information; had not the House of Commons a 'right to demand it ? What was stated to 'that House couhi not be used as evidence in. the Courts below. The motion trenched upon one of the constitutional funations of Parliament, and would therefore meet with his de cided opposition. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER expressed his surprise, that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman should think if competent to any person to execute the Order of the House but the individuals them selves to whom the Order was addressed. If thA order was for the .production of the qualifications which the Magistrates 'possessed when they took their oaths, the Clerk of the Peace might reply to it ; but as it was not necessary that the Magistrates should retain . the qualificatiOns which they possess ed when theytook their oaths, and as the older ex pressly dire Bed that the qualifications which they at present possessed, and not those which they ori ginally possessed, siiould by produced to the House, it was impossible that that Order could be complied with but by the Magistrates themselves. Those returns, if the House permitted their Officers to part with the custody of them, might be brought in evi-. dence in the Courts below. Lord, FOLKSTONR could not see how it was pos sible for the House to acquire the necessary infOr !nation, unless the original Order were carried into complete.effed. If the House had any wish not to destroy altogether the charatter of the Police Magis trates, they would be.anxious not to •rescind ,any part of the original Order. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no ob jeetion to the produtlioa of the - information, but only to the mode,in which it was to be produced. He would not consent to call on individuals to give evidence, on which t vidence they might afterwards be prosecuted. It was not to' the Poli ce Magis trates alone that the order. was applicable ; there was not a Magistrate in the country on whom it might not operate. After some further discussion by Mr. Tierney, the Chancellor of the.Exuhequer; Mr. Baring, 'and Mr. Bankes, . Lord A. HAMILTON moved that the further de bate on the subjea be adjourned to Friday. Mr. Secretary RYDER declared that he must op pose that motion. The House divided. For the Adjournment Against it . . 2I - 53 Majority - 3 2 When strangers were re-admitted, some further discussion on the subject took place, in which Lord Folkestone, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Mr. Tierney, participated ; alter which the ques tion was put on the motion of Mr. Ryder, and carried without a division. • HOUSEHOLD OFFICES. On the question that the Report of the Household Officers' Bill be brought up being , put, Mr.TIERNEY wished to ask, a question, • He wished to know if a reference had been made to the Queen's COunc,jl, to ascertain their opinion as to the probable expence which had been incurred by pe dical attendance on his Majesty, and what the fu ture expenditure was'likely to be? He had 'oil a /owner evening, .wished an estimate on the subject to be' laid before the House, but the House hid not concurred with him in this wish. He, however, thought, before the Sum which had been mentioned as to be appropriated to such expences was voted, .POZTRY. MOORE AND MOORE; Or, PETER•TO ANAREQN, Said PET SR, one morning, thus frankly to Tots, How nearly related, say, suleo Sir, are we ? The distance is far, replied T, from . our home, But farther, I hope, is P. M. froni M.P. Good PETER, now urg'd by his spleen .to . Said, Tom, you forget there is talent in me— But, proudly, one day, in the. Comrnons try, f P.M. can't extinguish the fire in M.P.. The Sages of old, who thus carded, dear 1 1 : Lie coldly embalin'd in Egyptian Museum; 'o Wisdom's kind lesson, then ben: - I•th4i stiff knee, And,Witlrlanghter, let me write, M. P. 'S for Lycethri. AUNCIENT PISTOL. • * The article omitted in the last line of the last stanza, , is, in imitation of my betters. The SECRETARY at WAR has decided, that in all cases persons liable, and about to be tried for eri• minal offences, being permitted to enlist.into the Army, a stfficient bounty t o p rov id e t h em with necessaries will be allowed as a charge agaiust the Public. ' • • The Gazette of Tuesday contains an Older in Ceti oil, authorising, for six months, frotn The sib of February next, the importation of hides, &c. dre vd" or undressed, in any foreign ship or ves sel, from any port from which the British flag is excluded. Detachments of the 30th and 34th Regiments of Foot, ho .n Andover, haire arrived at the depot, in the h'e of Wight, froM whence they will embark for the E ist Tuesday evening, about eight o'clock, as the driver of a coal cart was passing along the side of Fleet maket, riding on the shafts of the cart, the horses giving a sudden start, heAvas thrown into the street; .one of the * wheels went over his body; by which' he was s' shockingly bruised, as to be taker to the hos pital without hopes of recovery. On Sunday night as John May, a servant in the efriploy•of the Countess of Egremont, was pass• ing along. a back, lane, near Parson's Green, Fulham, he was met. by several robbers; one 'of them demanded .his money', and gave him a violent blow on his head with a. stick. The servant, how ever, made.some resistance to being robbed; - and peo ns being heard approaching, the robbers ran off and escaped. ..A few nights since the house of Richard Esq. Teller of t h e I r i s h Exchequer, was attempted to be broken into, near Gloucester-places ; but the ruffians, who had nearly foi . ced‘the area window into the kitchen, were defeated in their object of plunder, from being overheard by a servant who usually sleeps below. Late last Thursday night, or early on the follim. ! in; morning, the' house of C. T. Tower, Esq. ,of Weald Hail', near Brentwood, W 35 broke open and robbed of - a variety of articles *pt cbrisider4ble value. • N kolk-HALL.—T/zomas Burgess was on Monday charged with :shooting Elizabeth Brodie. It ap peared that the prisoner, and a brother of the de ceased, who had been out shooting logether, had retorned to take some refreshment, and for that purpose wenL into the kitchen, where the deceased was employed folding some doilies. Burgess was playing with his gun, when it went off, and its coll< tents entered the bead of the deceased, who, in stantly expired. He'was committed till the result of the Coroner's Inquest is known, BIR MS. On the 14th inst. at Monreith, Galloway, the Lady of Lieutenant-Colonel Maxwell, M. P, of a Daughter. On the 19th inst. at London, Lad)* Mary Ross, spouse of Sir Charles Ross, of Balnagown, Batt. of a Son. On the z4th inst. in Park-street, the Lady of lames Corn wallis, Esq-. MAR R1.13D, On Tuesday last, at High Wycomb, King, Esq. of Billiter.square, to Miss Manning, only daughter of the laic I. Manning, Esq. The same day, at Hampstead Church, the Rev. W. Rob bins, B.A. of Hickling, Norfolk, to Miss Phillips, daugh. terof Mr. W. Phillips, of Holborn. On the 28th inst. Mr. Alexander Ctirling, of Fish-ttreet. hill, to Miss Eliza Dyson, of Botolph-lane. esterday, at Langley, Bucks, the Rev, William George Freeman, M.A. Redor of Milton, in the County of Cam bridge, one of the Dothestic Chaplains to the Right Hon. Lord Lisle, to Catherine, eldest daught e r o f M aurice Swa bey, Esq. LL.D. In Merrion.square, Dublin, William P. Finn, Esq. Bar rister at Law, to Miss Alicia O'Connell, *laughter of the late Morgan O'Connell, Esq. of Ca - hen, County of Kerry; At Au- Bawn, the seat of Henry Lanauze, Lsq. County of Cavan, Henry C o l e , Esq. Barrister at Law, to Miss La natne. DIED. On, Saturday the. isth inst. at Lieutenant-General Da Grove, Blackheath, Mary Rosamond Tulloch, only datOiter ot Major Alexander Tulloch, of the Royal Arta , On the zad inst. at Wells, G. Lax, cert. Esq. an eminent Solicitor, and . .tlemher of the Corporation of that City: On the 23d inst. in the Both 'year of his age, at his seat, Treharthi-Hall, Francis' Rood, Esq. late Colonel ot the Royal Cornniall Militia. • - ' On Thursday the zjd iust. Mr. Robert M4rriott, aged 7.. z years. On Sunday Jast, suddenly, Mts. Beard, wife of Mr. N 4. thanieiTeard, of 1 - lox,ton-Square. On Monday last„•aged 67, . Jonathan Mathews, Esq. of Stratford Green, Essex. On Tuesday, at ‘Vnitehall, the infant daughter of jeseitli Phillintore, LL. D. Last week, at Corsham, in the Seth year of his age, Ed ‘vard Hasted, Esq. I'. R.S. and f 4.5. COAL MAltk .- Et, lAN. 29: Ships at Market. Ships sold.' ice. 23 Newcastle . . •17 • 48s. 3d. to 565. od. a Sunderland . . 0 . —.s. od. to —s. od. I'R ICE q. s rocks. ' YESTXRDAY. Bank Stock,•23ri 2321 India Bonds, r7s. I3s. pr. Navy c per Cen t 94 b Excheq. Bifls, 3d. per day, 4 par Lent. 74i s 3s. 4S. pr.-34d. per da ; per ent. hen. b 3 4s. 6s. pr. y , 3 per Cent. Cons. nz Oinnium, dis. lank L. Aini. 16 7-16thS 1 Imperial 3 per Cent. India Stock, k Cons. tor 27th lieb. 62 HIG.H.WATER AT LONDON :BRIDGE To.mort. Row. Morning, 5 min. after 4. Evening, 3o min. after 4, oton-street, ..I)3vei.,,,,quare i , must be dddrsseu.