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' • ' ' •. ' , . . ' 1 ' i . , - ' ' s ‘4": 'ill ------_ . I I ~ 1/ 6 ; Ae.. a . 47..../ / i (._ -- - /t ~...tom : . ,, „:. .. • 14/-, ,e ....t, .• . . //I : (. . ~,, '04b,,,..„ . .,„• i.,...„,- , .. IN 0 ecit-'....iii4,-. , 1:2 , 6e ...... ,. / 4 :, .: ' ._L: . . . Vf . sr,- • „, .li, 043 rl • ~. _~' +. NUMBER 9516. SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1823, FOR SA,LE.-THREE LIGHT PIECES .of SPANISH BRASS .ORDNANCE, fit for the Bow or Stern Chasers of Armed Vessels. 1 Four-pounder, 4 Feet 9 Inchei long. Ditto 13 Feet 5 Inches long. • 1 Three-pounder, 6 Feet 0 Inches long. Lying at the British Copper Office, 68, Upper Thames street. against it. Indeed, so much the reverse, that they were seen waving their hats, when it was decided that the petition was adopted. At the same time, he was willing to admit, that this conduct of the partizans of' Government might bear the con. struction, that it was owing to the-defeat of the other petition. --(Hear, hear !)—Yet, he hoped his Majesty's Minister, would believe, that the adherents of Government were ready to censure them for what was passed, although desirous still, to lend their support. He must say, that if no relief were ad. ministered to the suffering Agriculturists of the Country, Go vemment must expect from no quarter to meet with greater Opposition than from those who had hitherto given them their unlimited support.—(Hear, hear !) The Petition was then read, laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. Lord MILTON presented a Petition from Sheffield against the Insolvent Debtors' Act.—Laid on the table. CASH OF PRIVATE HARDSHIP. Lord FOLKESTONE rose for the purpose of presenting a Petition from an individual of the name of Thomson, to which, as he considered his a case of peculiar hardship, he wished to draw the particular attention of the House. However diffe rent might be the opinion of Gentlemen, as to the mode to-be pursued to afford relief to this individual, he was tare, that when they had attended to his case, thow would see thatsome thing ought to be done for him. He had formerly given notice that he would move for a Committee on the subject, but as the House was anxious to proceed that night to other business, he would not do any thing that could provoke discussion; but mere ly state the case, and he hoped Hon. Gentlemen would attend to it, and before the day of his motion came, consider in their own minds whether it was not one which demanded redress. Many years ago Mr. Thomson was a One-merchant connected with the Oporto trade, in which herValised a considerable capital. In 1 / 1 07 he laid out a gre a t p ar t 6f t hi s i n t h e purc h ase of l and, and among other purchases, he bought an estate in Hereford shire, which, with what he had expended in improvement, cost him 70,0001. He also bought the estate of Thornhaugh, in Hertfordahire ' for which he paid down the depo s i t o f 5,500/... His Solicitor , however, upon examining the title deeds of this estate, declared them to be bad, and Mr. Thomson then brought an action against the vendor for the delimit . money. The • vendor obtained the aid of the Lord Chancellor, to stop the action, anti after a Chancery litigation up to the year 1819, the Vice-Chancellor deternnued against the Petitioner, that the title was good. During this time the vendor was in pos session of the estate and took the rents. Upon accounting for these, however, it appeared that there was a balance against the petitioner_ for the law expellees of 65,000/. Meanwhile com mercial distress and subsequent failure had overtaken Mr. Thomson. lie mortgaged both estates, .and paid the interest of the debt to the vendor, and last year had paid off 5,000/. of the principal., In 1821 both estates were 'put up for sale. For one was offered 29,000/. which was refused, and for the other nothing war, bid. Mr. Thomson became a bankrupt, and the vendor now applied to the Lord Chancellor to be allowed to take possession of both the estates in lieu of the debt. Mr. Thomson had paid 18,500/. and enjoyed the estates only two years—el,ooo/. was all he had got for his purchase, and now he was about t o l ose bO t h. Th e ven d or, on the other hand, had had possession of the estates (except from the year 11119 to 1821) had received 18,500/. and was now about to obtain both the estates. • This-was the case he had to state, and it would be seen that the hardship arose from the delay of the law and the depreciation . of land. He hoped the House would bear it in mind, with a view of furnishing relief. SEVENPVNCF,4 make his present statement as brief and as intelligible as, he could. Brevity was naturally desieable On all wee, sions • and he thought it of . moat eSeential,i m p or t ance , when • speaking on subjects relating to the finance of the country, that every thing advanced, should b e rendered- perfectly clear and intelligible. No good result front leursuing tot opposite course„ If he were so dishonest as to attempt to involve any part &if the subject in mystery, he very well knew that the attempt would be unavailing and foolish, as there were _many in that House, ' who.made it their businees to watch the statements of the Ali. nister, who would not fail tif once to de c l a r e .my stich _ Therefore, in every point of view, %cheater with reeettil to the correct performance of his public ditty, twit, the furtherance of his personal interests, he considered that it would he necessary* for hint to render his stateMent as clear atlas intallible as pos sible. With this feeling, the course. that he preptied to take was, first to state to the Committee the actuel umount of the Revenue in the lastyear,' and then submit to them the'Esti l mate which had beer, formed of the Revenue WhiCil was et- peeled in the present year. He should next state the mode in which he would recommend it to the .Hotife to apply the stir- plus of the Revenue of - the year just cleStele - and lastly,. having stated these simple propositions unttecoett illnied by argument. it world he for him to bring before ahem settisores as occurred to him, and to supply such explanation as ItteVte ight deein it neeeilary to O'er. rite fi rst statement he should make was that relative to the Revenue of the last year, the expenditure Of the last year, and the degree in which the Revenue had ex ceeded the'expenditnre. ThiS statement would be found in a paper already before the House, and it Was therefore unneces sary for hint to do more than refer to the figures 'colt - tented thatpaper. By 'reference to that paper, it would be seen that the total amount of the revenue in the year Was 54,414,0,-)0/.--L. The Expenditure of the last year had amounted t0e19,449,100;. In consequence of this difference between the income alit! Expenditure there was a surplus of 4,905,52 N. The next question was, what Revenue., might he expected in pre sent year, what expenditure the Government . would call on the House to provide fur, and what surplus might be looked for at the close of it ? The Estimates for 1823 (he would explain the items by and bye), after deducting all that it .might be expected to lose from the •remission of taxes, and adding to it what might be expected from the CommiS sioners of Half-Pay . and Pensions, made. the Income of the'• country amount to ;4,090,988/. lie took the ordinary Revenue a t 52,096,9811. To this was to be added 5 .0 0 0,0001. to be paid by the Conanissioners of the Ilalf-pay Annuities and Pensions. The total Expenditure of the present year it was calculated would amount to the sum of 49 ,852,000/. The charge for the Funded. Debt, the Longes, &c. he took nt 23,124,7861.' The payments .to the Commissioners of Half-pay and Pensions, would be 2,800,0001. The other charges . falling on the Consolidated Fund, including the Civil List, and various Branches of Expenditure, gave a total of 2,050,000/. The interest on Exchequer Bills was 1,200,0001. For the Army - 41,302000 For the - Navy - . . 5,442 , For the Ordn a n ce • 1,3130,0,000 1)0 For the :Miscellaneous. . 1,494,000 ALL IN ONE. DAY, NEXT TUESDAY. lIAZARD and Co. remind their Friends and the Public, that the Present SMALL LOT TERY, consisting of ONLY 11,000 TICKETS, Wilt he Drawn all in One Day, NEXT TUESDAY, 2sth FEBRUARY Although these are so few Tickets, yet the Scheme contains Prizes of 1:10,000, £16,000, licc. &c.—All 'Money, and all Floating. HAZARD and Co. Shared and Sold Eighte.en Capital Prizes in the Lottery just ended, and THREE PRIZES of £lO,OOO in the 'Last Year's Lotteries, at their Old and Fortunate Offices; No. 93, Royal Exchange ; Cornhill ; and 39.4, Oxford-street ; where Tickets and Shares arc on Sale, in the greatest rariety. • CLERGY ORPHAN CORPORATION, St. John's Wood. Mary-le-hone. Patron—THE KING. President—The Right HonOurable and Right Reverend the Lord Bishop of LONDON. Vice-PreSident—The Right Hon. Lord KENYON. THE ANNIVERSARY MEETING-of the SOCIETY fur CLOTHING, MAINTAINING, and 'EDUCATING_ POOR ORPHAN CHILDREN of CLERGY MEN 'of the ESTABLISHED CHURCH of ENGLAND, • nntiI...OLAGE to be put APPRENTICE, will be holden at FREEMASONS"rAVERN, Great Queen -street, Lincoln's Inn-fields, on THURSDAY, the 97th , instant. The Chair will be taken fur the general business of the . Day, at Half-past Two *'(;luck precisely. Dinner on Table at Five o'Clock precisely. STEWARDS. • Right Rev, Thomas Burgess, 1 1 His Grace the Duke of North D. D. Lord Bi s h o p o f St. umberlaud. David's. Very Rev. Joseph Turner, D.D. Dean of Norwich. Rev. M. J. Routh, D.D. Pre sident of Magdalen College, Oxford. Vett. F. J. H. Wollaston, B.D. Archdeacon of Essex. Rev. 1-1. H. Norris, M.A. Pre bendary of Llandaft Rev. Edmund Ferrers, M.A.. Chaplain in Ordinary to his Majesty. Dinner Tickets, 15t. each, to be taken at the Bar. No Collection after Dinner. Donations and Subscriptions will in the mean time be thankfully received by the Treasurers, Rev. Aielideacon Cambridge and Joshua Watson, Esq.; at their Bankers, Messrs. I)rurpmonds, Charing-cross ; and Messrs. Sikes and • Co., Mansion-house-street ; by the s tiecretary, No. 70, Eus ton-square; or by the Collector, at Nu. 4', Bartlett's-build. ings, Holborn. E. J. BURROW, D.D. Secretary. Right I kn. Lord Colchester. Right Ilan. the Lord Chili Baron. Sir James Langliam, Bart. XVIII, John Bankes, Esti, ML]', Jeremiah Harman, E6q. The total amount of all these eras . 4;49,114,000 Of which 'the sum of 33,074,7064 was for what were called Permanent Charges. The remaining 15,778,0001. was forwhat were called the Supplies of the Year, including the .interest on Exchequer Bills. the result of the whole was, taking the Revenue at 417,008,008 And estimating the Expenditure M -19,t14,000 PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF COMMONS, Fn. 21. At a few minutes before four the SPEAKER took the Chair. Colonel WRITE, returned for the County of Dublin, and several other Members, took the oaths and their seats. ANNUAL RETURNS. Papers, containing the Annual accounts, were laid on the Table by Messengers from the West India Docks and the Car. natic Claims' Companies. Ordered to be printed. Returns of the number of prisoners in the County G ao l o f Surrey, and in the King's Bench Prison, were also presented, and ordered to be printed. f' or being the last day for presenting Petitions for leave to .bring in Private Bills, the House was occupied with business of that nature till pear five o'clock. NEW WRIT. A new Writ was ordered for the Borough of Reigate, the Honourable John Somers Cox having accepted the Chiltern Hundreds. Mr.6ISOCH presented a Petition from - the Owners of land in Suffolk, complaming of Agricultural distress. Laid on the table. Mr. W. WHITMORE presented a petition from the Pecu liars, &c. of Bridenorth, against certain parts of the Marriage Act. Laid on the table. Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition from certain Bop Planters in Sussex, complaining of the Hop Duty. The Ho, anurable Member observed that he thought there was abundance of means of relief for the present distress of the Agriculturists. He considered that this class had been sacrificed by the Op position at the shrine of popularity, and their interests merged in the cry of no taxes and cheap bread. Ordered to be printed. -A petition was presented from Tewkesbury against the In. solvented Debtors' Act ; and one from Pomfret, against the Hawkers and Pedler's Act.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. IL DAVIS presented a petition from Bristol praying for a total repeal of the Assessed Taxes.—Laid on the table. Mr. L. KECK presented a petition from the Earl of Stam ford, against certain parts of the Marriage Act. —Laid on the table. Mr. HUME gave notice of a motion for 'Monday, for a va riety of Returns relative to the Assessed Taxes. • HOP DUTY. Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented several Petitions from the Hop Planters of different places in the County of Kent, complaining of the grievous operation of that tax. The Hon. Baronet could not allow himself to present all these Petitions without calling the attention of the House to the situation of the Petitioners, as participators in the distress which at present pressed upon all persons connected with the cultivation of the land. He considered their case entitled so far to the conside ration of the House, n that if it did not encounter the opposition (lithe Chancellor of the Exchequer, he should think it his duty to move for the appointment of a COVlMittee to take cognizance of the subject matter of these petitions. Ile hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman mould acquaint him with his sentiments upon this proposition. The 'CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he was not prepared to give an offhand opnion upon a subject of so much importance. He would go so far as to say that he did no t see the immediate necessity of appointing a Committee to !Ill,aquire into the particular Situation of that portion of the Agri. e t cstsoncerned in the cultivation of hops; but he could not Inintelf to take one course or another upon such a pro. rat on being made. The Hon. Baronet would leave him an eri,ortunity of stating his opinion upon his motion for a Corn sir Matte. E.,XNATCHBULL then observed, that if the Right 071..f:iertlerniin did not hold out hope* of relief to this class ,•4 Individuals in his forthcoming speech, he should move for a u attrrisittee to take these Petitions into consideration. The Petitions were read, and ordered to be printed. IfEREPORDSIIIRE PETITION. Alt • PRICE, in r dte to pstaetseentoting the Petition of the County of c ord, be i• Were 0 the House the circumstances which :ormected with that Petition. It was agreed to at a Meet. 4 k ", rjolarly convened of the freemen of the County which .evenfatetHrlg.h4 might fairly say originated with persons who had omen to gVe their unlimited support to Govern. The were induced to set on foot a Petition out of re -141. theythdiStress which every where prevailed, and pressed b at ., fire industry of the country. A Petition had been pre it ~,f different nature from that which . he then held * 1 14 7 I _ o4 but for reasons which obtained weight from *ithd,uuturred after the opening of the Meeting , at was gha t nand there remaineil only the Petition of Mr. of t p y tso adrallhat of Mr. Cohbett. was in enabled de., , Ir eciare that the Meeting was in favour , of that ititetttilltiertthafrlton, ' and he had the sanction of the Lpid; 4 not ot saline this,. and also, that this petition but t ° be b , b, regarded as the petition of the undersigned only, oh ri ,,°, l lty at large. 'rills petition, no doubt, contained isle be t n "',°.Us matter to his .Alajesty's Government ; and it e s app ot a iter of' surprise, that when it was read, not a sin e or Goyonment was found to raise his voice The Petition was then read and ordered to lie on the table. • . , SUPPLY. NA VV. On the Motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE QUER, the llouse resolved itself into a Committee of Supply. Str JOIIN OSBORN rose to move for a vote of men and money for the sea service of the year. It would be necessary for him to say but few words; as the estimates of what he was about to ask a supply for, were already on the table. It was his jntention to move for a vote of 25,000 seamen, which was an amount of 4,000 beyond the vote of last year. This ad dition he considered necessary on account of the disturbed state of the world, and particularly of the American Colonies. —lt was also to be borne in mind that MAO/. for the coast blockade came into the Navy Estimates for the presCnt year, being no longer paid by the Treasury. The Honourable Baronet then moved, " That a grant of 25,000 men for the sea service, including OA° Royal Marines, be granted to his Majesty." Mr. BROUGHAM did not rise to throw any obstacle in the way of the motion, but rather to express his surprise that no larger grant had been demanded ,• for, with th e v i ew w hi c h h e (Mr. Brougham) ent erta i ne d of the alarming aspect of foreign affairs, he regretted that the vote of seamen was so limited.— The House, however, understood, though every man did not, that this vote slid not bind them to the number of 25,000 men for the wh o l e y ear . Th ey k new t h at within the ensuing twenty four hours, whenever the next Committee for Supply sat, this number might be increased to any amount. Although this was well understood in that House, it was not elsewhere, and he should be sorry that time least suspicion should be excited that this vote bound them down to the limit of 25,000 men for the year. He wished it tq go final, and that, too, upon the atttho. rimy of Gov ernment , t h at t h e instant i t should be known that this number was insufficient, his Majesty's Ministers could come down to that House and obtain, as he had no doubt they would, without one observation, and with the entire and una. nimous consent of the people, whatever they might think pro per to demand to support the honour of the Crown, and pre. serve the peace of Europe. Mr. Secretary CANNING felt himself called upon to make his acknowledgments of the accuracy of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's notions, and express his full concurr e n ce i n w h at had ju s t f a ll en from him. ; Undoubtedly, this vote no m ore re stricted P ar li ament from Voting more, than it limited the ca pacity of this country to furnish a greater number. And, if occasion should render it necessary to call for an increase of number, he should have no hesitation in coming down to that House, and offering them such explanation as would be deemed adequate to justify the demand. But, having said this, to pre vent the possibility of mistake, he was sure the Committee would pardon Mtn if he paused there to say, that the present state of things in Europe was one, which they could not debate in that House at that moment with the prospect of doing more than hat) been derived from the present discussion, but was one the discussion of which at that moment might be productive of much harm. He would only add, that it was as much the wish RS it was the want of this country, and of Europe, to pre serve the peace of the worltt.-that no effort had been left un. tried on the part of this country to obtain that desirable end. But it did not enter into the apprehension of those who con. ducted the affairs of this country... confident as they are in the unexhatisted state of its resources, and in the strength of the nation, while Parliament maintained the Integrity of those re. sources by maintaining public credit, that there would be any want of means for efficient exertion, if exertion should become necessary.—(Cheers.) The Resolution fora grant of 25;000 men was then agreed to, as were the following grants:— Seamen's Wages . £783,750 ----- Victuals . . . - . 455,000 Wear anti 'rear . . - 243,750 Ordnance - - - - 8 0 5 0 The House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday. FINANCIAL STATEMENT. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQVRR, the House resolved itself into a Committeeof Wayi and Means. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER; rising to make his statement on the subject of the financial situation of the country, said, it' he did not ask of the House any peculiar indulgence, it was not because be felt he should not want in dulgence, but because having voluntarily undertaken the duty which lie now rose to perform, he was hound to take upos him. self all the responsibility which might attach to the fulfilment of that duty.—(Hear, he ar , hear !)—But he hoped the Com mittee would listen to him with patience And candour—with patience, because it would be necessary to detain them for a considerable time—and with candour, on account of the vast importance to all rho interests of time country, of those details into which he was about to enter. He deemed it still more ne cessary thus tubespeak their attention, as he could not but feel that he addressed them on the present occasion, under no small disadvantages, when lie recolfeeted that lie stood in the place of one whose long experience, many virtues, and unsullied in tegrity—( Hear.!)--haul for many years claimed the respect end esteem of the House ..--( hear.)—But he confessed that he approached time performance of his task with some tie. {.Tree of confidence—of confidence growing on the great in. dulgence which be had experienced on all former occasion*, when it had been his duty to address them on subject's Of importance to the country..—(Heir, hear, hoar !)—The least return which be could make for indulgence- weuld ha,- to There would be a Surplus of e .1.,2,14,9811 The next point to b e cons id ered was the mode in 7 which this Surplus should be dealt with. What he should propose was, that the larger proportion to the amount of 5,000,000/. should be applied un the principle recognised hy Parliament to reduce the Public Debt ; and that the remaining surplus, exceeding 2,000,0004, should be applied to the. Remission of Taxes. In doing this the impost; to which he particularly ap plied himself were the Assessed Tales. In the course. of what he had to say, he should point out, the particular mo d e in which he p ro p ose d that the relief should be apportioned...._ Having now stated to the House the amount of the Revenue in the last year, and the view which lie took of the Revenu t, Expenditure, and Surplus of the present, as alit) of the mode in which he thought of dealing with that Surplus, he had now to submit to the Committee sech observations us appeared to him material in the consideration of these important matters. The first thing to which he should call the recollection of the Com mittee was that part of his Majesty's Speech, in which, in re. ference to the Revenue, the Kin g h a d stated that the amount considerably exceeded his OCT/Pa:10On, HO thought he had sue. ceeded in skewing that, in point of fact the King was justified in making that statement to his Parliament. Though it ap- . peered that the actual surplus of the last year did not mnount (it came within a small fraction of it) quite to 5,000,004,1 t was very material to consider what the surplus revenue would have been, if in the last year very important transactions hail not taken place, which produced in the first instance a dimintt don of Revenue, without bringing 4 contemporaneous reduction of Ekpenditure. The Committ ee would recollect that the es timate for the probable expenditure for IBA had offered a surplus of 5,208,0004 This calculation was made on the sup-) position that during the last year the rate of taxation would remain the same as hi the preceding year. But the Com mittee would also bear in mind, that not long utter that paper was laid before the House by the Noble Lord, then Sc. tretory of State for Foreign Affairs, to whom he could not allude without feeling acutely for his loss, but of whom he could not speak what he felt at that moment, that Nobly Lord .had subsequently come clown to the Howie, ant stated, that the attention of the Government had been given, and he flat. tcred himself with success, which had for it object, on the one hand, to diminish the expenditure of the couretry, and on the other, to give Parliament an opportuit of dimiishing the taxes,' lie alluded to the pl an of redu n ci y ng the inte n rest On the Five per cent.. stock to Four per cent. Thus plan having been adopted, the mutual malt tax was taken of, amounting to 1,414,0001. It was calculated, that the diminished interest paid by the public, in consequence of the measure which he had just mentioned, would balance the amount of taxation thus remitted. But it, wits obvious that the diminution of re, venue commenced immediately, but the reduction of expense did not commence with it. The Malt Tex at once ceased, but the public continued to pay the interest of the Five cents. in July, as w e ll as in th e p rece di n g January; so it was not till the commencement of the present year that that Savin could be felt, which was Intended to co unter b a l ance the reduction of revenue which had taken place. The defalcation in the Re. venue in consequence of the repeal of a portion of the Malt Tax, hail amounted to uhout 1000,0001. No corresponding reduction, as he had . already etated, was effected at the mo ment. The total loss sustained in the Revisite by the remis tion of tax/; amounted to no less than 1,700,0001, It would then beeseen, that if no suclereduction of Revenue had taken place by the repeal of taxes, the surplus of last y ear , i nstea d of amounting as it did to nearly :4(810,0001. would ; i n po i nt of fact, have exceeded six millions and a half. erh e c emm i t e e would therefore see, that he was justified in s a yi ng t h at his Al,ejesty had stated nothing but what was consistent with fact, when he deseribed thteexem of Revenue to have been such as to have considerably surpassed his expectations. He begged that it might not be sepposed that he felt the slightest regret at that remission of taxation which had taken place. Far from it: he consid ere d th e mea sure to h ave been wtaely adopted ; and farther, he was prepahel to tulthit the wisdom of a farther extension of the principle. Tlie next point to which he should whims himself, was the g•rocntla on which h e tied estimated th e p ro d uce of t h e R evenue i n the present year. Under all the circumatances, he eeeeldered that h e wits en. titled to assume, allowing for the expected diminution of re ceipts in the present year, by the full operation of'' the reduc tions sanctioned by Parliament—allowing fbr all these, it Was ' his belief and co nv i ct i on t h at the Revenue of the present .year was likely to eqtud the Revenue of the lest. Il e would take' the Customs at 10,500,001. During the last year th e p roduce of the Customs u r nounted to 10,862 ,0001, From this, i n t h e pre sent year, an additional reduction was to he made on account of the repeal of the whole of the Torirotge Duties which till now had not come in to f u ll operation. These had amounted to 150,0001. The TonnageDutiee had ceased front the 15th of July, They )inch therefore been paid through the first half of the year 18'.12, but nothing was to be calcolated Aom that quarter for bo,fitk the present yen. Comidering that they 1)4,1 not cont i nued through the lest half of 184 h e was not bound to allow snareBo,ool. on acco unt of them ; but w i s hi ng to keep the mark, and not to overstate the eases but to offer a within calculation, he, veould only take the Cuetorns as tee na m il_ lions end a half. The nesitliranch of Revenue to which he should direct the attention of the. einnr nittee was the Excise ,• the receipt s on ascount of which had aniteinti--d in the last year to 2741,0504 These had been ra.lueed by the repeals of the duties on Malt, Leatlivri and Solt. It was true the redeetion of the duty on Salt did not take place till the confineneceiment of the present year; but nevertheless the demand had fallen of in c.onsequenee of its being known that at that period elle duty was to he reduced,,as parsons na turalli declined buying till than thee arrived when the tax was 'to cease, and thus the effect of the repeal lout been partially felt rn the last year. But notwithstanding this, the total revenue derived train the Excise had amounted, as he had already stated, tothe suns of 27,271,6581. .Deductieg front this amount ail the Lies that might be expected front the full operation of the measures which had been adopted, he thought himself jus tified in' estimating the receipte for the.preeent year, under the head'of Excise, at 26,60,001. The Stamp Duties he felt jus tified in taking at 1i,600,0001. The Post Office he calculated ivo - uld contribute 1,400,0001. being sootewhet less than the u tilel produe of the last year. The Assessed Taxes and Land .Tax, it wouldlJC seen in the paPers before the House, Amounted in the lust year to 7,2E1,9691. It would be recollected that in the course of last year the Window, Tex and Hearth Duty in. Ireland had been given up. Those repeals would now come Into full operation, and lie should therefore take the Assessed Taxes and Land TeX at 7,100,0001. Estilnating the produce of vetriOus saeill blanches of,Revenue, at (hull if he felt justi fied in tel t i og the probable receipts of the oedituerreeeeinue t for, the present year at 52,0010001. being the actual amount received under these br a n c h es of revenue which he had enuti rated foe It Wei true that under all the heads which he had men tioneti' the r ece ip ts o f t h e l ast year had exceeded! thoseof any antecedent year. Hut when he took into consideration- all the eireamistanees of the country,. there was . eVery reason to an ticipete, not merely it continuance of the same flourishing He. ,venue, but a progressive increase. When he looked at the mercantile prosperity—the extending commerce of the coml. 'try, and the various auspicious features of the present pro ipects, and especially when he looked to the benefit conferred 0a Commerce generally by getting rltl of the antiquated lumber of inapplicable laws which had long fettered enterprise, aed when he bore in mind what he had heard front all those most conversant with inerevintile offairs on the advantages likely thence to accrue, he could not help cherishing the hope and the confident expectation which he had avowed. The adoption of a more liberal policy on •our part could not but prove other than beneficial, as while we opened new markets for the commodities of other 'sentries, we of necessity ; caused in them an increased consumption of 'ours. Recollecting these things, and looking to the extensive merkets DOW opening to our trade in all parts of the world, he anticipated a large extension—gradual, per. haps, bet not the less valuable because gradual, of our cont• coerce generally. Ile could riot quit tins pito of his subject without saying he concurred in all t h e compliments which had been paid to his Right Hon. Friend and late Colleague (Mr. Wallace). Nothing afforded him more satisfaction in the conrse of his political life don to have found himself in otlie:, for the last ten years with <ueht a t.loileague, who, animated by the,' most liberal principles, possessed intrepidity enoug h to support him where he took up a subject in opposition to esteblished prejudices, and intrepidity enough to take the lead where this was necessary for the benefit of the country, or the credit of the Right Ilan. Gentleman himself.-(llear, hear !)e-ile repeated it, he felt time hopes juttitied which he kid avowed. lie might any, while he contemplated the vast field for commercial enter• prise now open tour merchants-- ‘".11 me wide, the unbounded prospect lies before us." But he had no reason to add, in the words of the same Poet-. " But rilladews, clouds, and tior',netts rest upon it." On the contrary, while exulting in the bright dawn which had burst upon them, they had every reason to look forward to a still brighter meridian sun.—(Hearlj—lf, turning front this 'View of our foreign commerce, lie directed his view to our domestic cone sutuption, he there found what he thought the most unequivocal demonstration of inereasine proepertty, lie could not con template but with the highest satisfaction the augmented meanie of consumption which were to be remarked In /spite of the partial distress complained of in particular districts -he funnel dernonitratiee proofs of the increasing comforts of the peOple et large. From the returns before the House it ap peered that on every urtiele of etmoutnotien there hnd been an' increase over the average of the three preceding years. • Ile did not know that it would be worth while to down the Ifouee by going into minute details, but in a general way lie might state, that under the heads of Beer, Bricks, Cdl Size, Giese, Paper, Printed Goods Soap, Stnrch, an es„ Foreign Spirits, Tea, and 'Tobacco; on every ci of theee es sential articles, on which the comforts of the people of Eng land depended, there was an increase over the average of the three preceding years. When such was the fact, was it takieg too sanguine, a view of o ttr s i tuat i on to calculate that the Revenue in the resent year would be equal to what it had been in th e last? Was lie not justified in eelculation, under such eiremstances, that the Caverns and Excise would at least sustain no tihnitintion in the preaetit year ? lie might aeoitrely rely on these papers alone that the' condition of the mass of the people was better than it hail formerly been. Bet let the house look at their actual situation: Let them comes.) pare it with what they had recently witnessed ie oth e r ye a r s . Where was time distress, the outrage„ the eeditien, which had heretofore been wltnesied ? What had become of these thhigs ? They hail vanished. And what appeared in their places ? Or der, tranquillity, peace, happiness, and content. Such a change furnished demonstrative proof of time improvtal aims. tion of the mann . y. He derived infinite coasolation front the view, for it satisfied liim, that however the people might be excited for a time, yet there was at the bottom something so noble, so patriotic, so attached to the principles Of the British Government and Constitution, that the pressure of distress removed, discontent was no more. He exulted in the altered state of our affairs. None had more lamented the affliction formerly known then himself, as it huttbeen his pein ful duty to 'support measurer of severity which had appeared to t i t i t ai rre l d iec . — e rl l r e Y ar t , o hea re r p r t e ).... ss il t:l n i o e ti t i l e i r ao ci r r d c ers urm w iti l n ii c e 4 lt tli t ) t i n w h a a re pp ti ily oc to him highly gretifying in its nature. It wee not of vast importance to the country generally, but it w as o f t h e highest import mice to individual comilitte Ile alluded to the increased amount of contributhms deposited in the SaVing Banks.-- During the last year a very considerable addition had been made to the number of contributions, and to the sums deposi .ted. lie knew that it was staid many persons placed money in them who ought not to do sr. Tlais could not be helped, but if such were the case it did not account far the In erease which he had remarked. It could not he denied, that a very large proportion of the atoms received had: beeq contributed . by • persons in the humblest walks of life , . It furnished the most gratifying proof of the good effects of thiese valuable institutionx, while it clearly matii. fie* that the comforts of the poor had been largely slug. Mewed. Theett things, independent of the positive good which they presente4 in themselves, seenual tee him, naturally and of necessity, to teed •to the relief of that body wlaeli had been so much depressed, the Agricultural part of the euunnunity• Ile had now to offer a few remarks on that part of the Revenue of the Country which wee diverted from tite Exchequer—he meant the sums expended in its collection. Ile loolted for wordconsiderable diminution of that expeece in future • but he called on the Cormnittee to h ma k at what had ahead; been done. Ile was sorry that he had not been able to get all the information on this subject which could be desired ; but there was a greater difficulty in getting the' accounts made up thus curly in the year than Gentlemen might ima gine. l ie would, however, take the• expence Of collect ing :the Revenne in the year, 111 . 31, and compere it with the expellee Incurred in the antecedent years, and then it would .be seen that If all had not been done that soine Gentle men wished to see accomplialred, that Government had not been inattentive to the wishes which had been expressed.— Ile would refer to the collection of the Customs as the great expellee occurred in their collection. The charge for this tier.. vice had amounted— It) Vila • . .4:1,327,121 IUI9 . 1,251,991 029 - - 1 1 0 27,773 1821 1,068.21111 It would thus lie seen that a gradual and progressive reduction had taken place, as the expeeee of that branch of the collec tion !old been reduced from I,:i27,tittel. to I,ofiti,oo9l. Gentle men might say, that the redaction ought to have been curled farther. Prima .fitc-ie this might appear, but at all events it ought be seen from wh at h a d been done, that the reccimmen. dation given on this subject had not been neglected. Much of what had been accompliebeti ought to be ascribed to the Coot. mittee which had at three or tons years ago, of which his Right Mu. Frie»tl (tile Paymaster) was the head. By that Cointnittee various reduction)" had been euggest e d, which the Government hell at once deserritined on carrying into effect. it did not by any means follow, Necause all the reductions were not effected die moment they were suggested, that they were neglected. In nteny instances it was necessary to wait for the death or retirement of meritorioutindividuale„ who, lifter long serviee, could not at, once be &aniseed without cruelty and , But as such obstacles were removed, time public - - received the benefit of those chenges which could fairly be eifected.- lie now turned to the Revenue of Ite hear I)—Mtich had already been done e unit- mere - would be done. Th e Government had not been inattentive trielte port- made by the etYllililiglionen appointed lwe 'years ego. 'l'hough some had ridiculed it and undervalued. its ;throne ance, its worth was now fully estabfielied by documents before the riouxe. . Never had. any , , treily of men evinced a more determined resoluti o n to pursue-in spite of all obstacles, with sincerity anti independence, the impOrtant investigation which they were Hppaiutett'to condtiot. If the merit of their services could not be untie::, he trusted would also be ad mitted that the Government had not been backerard Sup porting their recommendations; No sooner had their first Re , port bee» received, than the Government . .tinnOunced: it to be their intention to Act upon it, and he for one, had been read . ) , to give it his most cordial support. This, he thought, mus: have the &bet not only of reducing the expenditure, but it roust go in Somemeasure to put down the imputation directed against the Goverement (and lie-knew such tut imputation - had been ainied at Irtinteelf,) that they had no dieliosition to give up uselese oifides. This imputatian, he, would new take the berty to say, had been satiefactorily( repelled. • The next topic to ,irlfulle he should call the attentleti of the Ifetise was that on which he hati already slightly touched—this pri.iimied•Expene ditute cn' the present year. Ile had stated to tireCiimmtetee that the total Expentlitere for 16"23 might be triken at . .19.052.000/. The items which Composed the sum were fir part as fol/ows : • For the Army - e - s 17,302,00 e For the Navy - - '5;442,000 For the Ordnance ; . 1,380,000 For the Miscellaneous- 1,440,000 Looking hack to the charge of wasteful and profligate expen diture which had heretofore been urged against the Govern. , ment, he must here say that such reproaches did not appear to hitt; justly or fairly bestowed. It was not enough to say that an office was useless or an expence unnecessary to make It the duty of Ministers to abolish the office, or put on end to the ex, pense. (Jr. such subjecte, thieGoVernment must be allowed to exercise a discretion of their own ; and nothing tees more tine just than to sac, that because such recommendetion had not hu mediatcly been acted toion, that the Administration was cor rupt, and regardless of the public welfare. Such charges, he knew, all forme r G overnments had been compelled to endure ; and to similar aesusations the present and all future Govern_ menu must continue to be exposed. But the way to chew the aninnis of the Government, was not to go into every little de , tail, but to look at whatethey had dote on a somewhat larger scale. Let this he done, anti then it' would be seen whether important reductions had not been, eine:nal. In the first place, let the Estimates of the present year be compared with those of the list, and then it - would be found, that tiotivitlistanding the proposed addition of „Me) men to the Navy, that taking the Navy; Amy, and Ordnance, those three great sources of Exe penciiture - together, there was in the present year a positive re duetion of experfee of' 470,0001. The diminution, but for the increase of' the Navy would have exceeded lioo,oool. There Was a total diminution of Expenditure as compared With 1821, of - X 1,958,000 1820, of . . • . 2,971,000 181:t, of . 2,156,088 1818, of - c-fA49,000 and, if the present Estimate were compared with the 1 :it int ate •Of 1817. it would be found that there was still a reduction to the amount of 1,335,0001. After this, the Government ought not ta be condemned, because they did not at once comply with every hint thrown out, but be would confidently appeel to the Committee if enough lied not been done to prove that they were sineere in their endeeveurs to effect every practical les dttetion. Iltit it was to be reettembered that on them devolved the awful responsibility of protecting the country against ell the dangers whieletnielit threaten its repose. They weriese) look to every thing which might happen as well as to those eirettme etances which were seen on the surface. It was therefore unrust, because every econtimical euggeStimi was not at once cofindied With, to . Resume that the Government lutist be profligate' or corrupt. If he: were to pursue the items of die Expenditure through the Miscellaneous Services end the Irish Exchequer Bills, an equally satisfactory view ot diminished ex pence wuuld lie furnished. lie would not go into these, but. comparieg the total Estimat e of t h e p resent pew with the estim a t e ev hist year anti of that of 1817: thcre would he foinni n redaciion as compared. with the former to the amount of 97 and as comixtred with the latter a dintinuthin of expence, amounting to no less than 1,671,e001. Ile • now static to state to - the Col - minuet: the mode in which be proposed to tbs. pose of the Surplus Revenue for the present year. Ile to o k this at something more than 7,000,0001. Of tills pr he o psieil to apply 15,1S)0,000 to t li m i ns h the 'Public Deb t . k The remainder he wietted given to the public in the remission of taxer. When a country posSessed a surplite of this kind it was obvious there were three modem of dispneing of it. The first was to appropriate the entire amount to the rednetion Of taxes the second was to give the nrhole to diminish the debt ; the third mode was to combine the two whith he had mentioned, end this was the coarse which Ministers had thought it proper tm take on th e present occaeion, and which Ile etillld 1144 but flatter himself would meet- with the approbation of the Mouse. To adopt it would be to act on that priecite to which fer many . years the House had adhered, and lie con dieCovee Melting in the present situation of the country which ought to' induce de parture from it. Ile kneiv of no proposition more alarming than that which would coUniel the adoption of, thestirst of th e , three modes which he h a d p o i nte d out,inamelY the iqing of tha whole surplus to the reduction of taxi', earl tints to abandon the idea of keeping up a Sinking Fund; 'Taking; such a course involved the principle o f i n d e fi n i te addition to b debt ; for who would Kay that eirettnistances might not arise 'which would pre chide the possibility of raising within the year the Supplies ne cessary to avert the danger that might menace our Peace. 'Who would Say that we elinuld never again have occasion for that powerful invalitable.arrn of defence, public credit, eel:deli was so essential to our safety, that its destruction would in his opt. pion, be the * deattuction of the country itself. Yet this pub lic credit would be destroyed, it' it were once determined that no ellen should be made in dine of peace to liquidate the debt contracted to wry on war. Would not the injurious ef fects of such a system speedily be felt in the deteriorat e d value of every seems of prdperty ? And what an: increased expense would he. thrown 'on the country - at any future time, when a loan should bcceMe necte.sery 1, For who would /end money for moderate interest to dime. who rte ver meant to return the principal. It wet kniewn that the in. tercet of debt already amounted to snore than lin If the annual expenditure of the country.. No man felt and regretted:thitf more than he did. It was because he felt he; esvetelY the in evitable weight of this debt preeited down the interest of the country, that he was disposed to strain every nerve to diminish it. It ever there was a ante when it teas et:etmisty to support the public credit of the country, this Wese that trim. When At.. tempts were Made to delude the people into a belief that ria moms of relieving them existed, lint by doing eel). apart the debt , —but by robbing one set of people to assist °there— (Hear, hear !)—he repeated it, de courserccominetie b d, 11$ it appeared to him, was to rob one set of people to assist another ; and now when such propositions were sent abreeti to decline apply ingtheir surplus revenue to reduce the d e b t , wou ld b e to give additional importanee to who were favontable to such an art of' spoliation. Ile would say that every IttoriSe winch ought to have influence on the decisions, financial and political, bound them,. by paying oil'a pa rt of the 'debt to 're deem the pledged feith of the country-4 Hear, hear 1) --Out while he contended for this principle, lie did not say it was ne cessary to apply the whole surplue revenue to the re t i t i ct i o ri of the debt. It was possible for th e debt to be too rapidly th mlnished.--( Hear, litxtr ! and laughter.)-lle did not mean to say that there was any great danger of it at present.--(A —Circtunstances, however, *night arise, under which it would be necessary to limit t h e progress of th e reduction of the debt- This was his sincere conviction, and though it was said that the Chancellor of the Exchequer ti r the time being, whoever hit might be; was always so entuitoured of taxes, that he could willingly part with none, he would take the liberty to say, that such was not iris taste. Ile admitttxl, that ire the Present sit" ation of the country, it eves desirable to give every Pos s ible r' - lief from taxes. The remission which took place laet year. he thought wise, and, indeed, he thought rite one could ilentt,t diet remission of taxation, per ie was very desirable On this principl e i t was chat 4 tiOveriglont hard tivtermined to recommend that repeal of existing th4 q"' width it ti. w b r" came his duty to propose- r Here the Right non. Gentlemen appeared very rtntelt ex,. hausted, front the exertion be had matie, and, its obedienee t o the call of the House. set dawn-fix a few Ininates, lid he ape pored in Y.olllt, degree recovered.] In resuming, lit saki, no west exertion of voi ce wo od to requisite, to the performance or the remitin.l. l heene now proceeded tO eaddain,. why, in the relief to he afroracti, hed applied hiniselfpthertpally to the Asseseed Taxele fie