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Y All ENT: rAnra.r, TA T "v; lIOLTST 7 OF LORDS, - ME' sbAy.: 11.ANT21.711Y P: RAG' &c. In a Conionitte.e of Pi their on the motion& Lord ERSIII! , ZE, adjourned the further consideration of the, claim of Ger.. Knolly.; to the above Peerage, until thr second Tuesday of the next Session of Parliament. Tne House then resumed, and after prayers 7were• read; sever.:l Bills were brought up 1::.on2 the Commons, pending the exclusion of strangers, among which were the Local Militia Amendment aad the Irish Stamp Duties Bili ; and during the same interval, we understand, their Lordships deferred the Committee on Palmer's Comnensa-• ton Bill till I°. 1.::4. ti short conversation took place on the occasion of the second reading"of the .I%.tarriae Act Amend ment Bill, .between his Grace of Norfolk; Lord Itedesdifie, "and other Peers ; their Lordships deemed the measure worthy of the most .crious consideration of the louse, and certain additional provisions were referrei to as highly proper to he introduced into the Bill in • the Conanittee; • this stage was ti;%-,.P1 for Wednesday, the 22d inst. he Rye Harbour Improvement Bill was read a - third time and passed• The • Bills brought up from the Commons were tend a first time.. la the instance of the Irish &amp Duties Bill, s.onCe conversation ensued, toineipally between the Earls of Lauderdale and Limerick. . "11:e first-mentioned Peer thought the Bill should be printed; this idea was objected to by the-Earl of Li , ,'erpool, as against the practice Of the House to print Bills of the kind. The Earl Of LAUDiRDALE censured some parts a t f th e t enor an d l anguage o f the Bill, as not suf& tiently intelligible or distinct ; faults of this kind, he seemed to say, Were in some degree peculiar to the generality of such Irish Tax Bills as be had :inspected. The Earl of 'LIMERICK could not avoid observ !ng, that the - Noble I sri was in the habit of find ing fault with every thin! , in that House which! re-1 , hated to th a t p ar t of the 'United , KingdoM, either Wi th the law as it stood, or with any proposed amendment of it. The Earl of LAUDERDALE said he should rather be deeined as acting a friendly instead of a hostile Part towards Ireland,. which he was desirouS of, and endeavonredto correct Bills relating to that country when 'he found them erroneous ; and at !Ile scone time he may' be a great friend tO the PeoPte of Ireland, when he opposed its Go vern:nent. • • rile Earl of, LIMERIK, in explanation, de fended and mai' zt'ained the nosition he had ad tanced. Sonic conversation, but which led to no pro tteefling, si:b s e quent ly took place, with resp ec t t o e Irish Population Act, then pendiag before the oonse, between Lord Holland, the Earls of Li- ra erick and Stanhope. Ford HOLLAND gave notice of his intention to 'fwe the second reading of the Ex Officio Infor- Illation Bills on Friday next. Eynia,zß TAX BILL. On the e l uest:on for going into a Committee on IS Bill. Ile Duke of iI"'DFORD made a few general ob frrations against the measure, as likely to ope r"At 10 a most injurious and oppressive manner on - poo rer or d er o f th e peop l e, i t wou ld a l so ope— t4tt powerfully upon the small farmers, and ev eatu all v tend to throw numbers out of employ '' If persisted in, he would f ee l-it p roper to cord his protest against, such an additional tkx. rtail SPENCER fully coincided in .the sentiments the N o bl e D u k e , an d suggested the pro„riety of i nstructing t' , e Committee to divide the Bia, °I. to have the obnoxio - us part separated from the ot her matter, so as to form a distinct Bill, and to ',cuss it accordingly. .E.rrl of LIVPRPOOL observed that such a ,r l. °eeedin g , with regard to a Bill o f th e ki n d, Qu id be irregular and anonialous in that ,louse at Su g;S;CSterf it w 13 , would equally answe r ' his,mov _g to le ave out t h e word " Ilides, " ,irml the re vah matter t maer in that:ma of the Bill, and also th e respondiflg part or the Schedules. I.„ T hi 3 prooosition, after sonic further conversa ir. Was assented to by Earl Spencer, and the 1 , 04- se resol ve d i n t o a Committee on the Bill ; orca Walsingharn in the Chair. -c', tai ad SPENCER then e n t ere d i n t o a var i ety o f de "d objections against the measure, proceeding • those grounds on which it had formerly been k ,., '1 '" • "( 1 . He observed, a t ax o f th e ki n d h a dh een sug - i;td to thatgreat Statesman, Mr. Pitt, but who, ter maturely considering all its bearings, thoug . ht t?Per to decline it. lie laid much stres s o n i t s ll ' r ions operation with respect to the poorer 8 " of the community, and the numbers who, "tlerstood, must be thrown out of employ by ew lie thought o th er fi nanc i a l regu l at i ons might i• ly be devised, cod paratively. unobjectionable, Ul eventually much niora productive. The No to 1 -1 ""- 1 'i cc\neltioed by moving, as an Amendment, L,;e,ave out t h ose p arts o f t h e Bill as I)oin:et] out ' l, ,`,'e Noble Lo r d a t th e h ea d o f t h e T reasury. v., lie Duke of. NORFOLK 'decidedly supported it of his Noble F r i e nd. He nought 11 1 ;" . -Lc:h better for Ministers to relinquish it in e te fi rst instance, and substitute some other tax, 11 14 the reinonst:ances and complaints of th e tiituol ae turees would induce them to d o it i n a i i e Session . • l t i h''e Earl of L/72RPOOL, at Some length, and gr(at abiiitv, defended the measure in ques tr„'' as increasing the tax lipon an article, and a t t ;ui r , 'which experience a-A record proved to have tp e9 'ln increasing source of revenue, and a pro tipt;lls and g rowing tra d e. S uc h , therefore was, abi„ ri general principles, a fair andiadvantageous Gf tax ation All productive taxes must to;-'4'here be f e lt, an d such would naturally be., front:',sained of ; but the tax in question was far 'of t i l ' e aring exclusiVely up on th e l ower or d ers tl eir f ellow -subjects ; it bo re proi!ortionably the - inasmuch as it ~ ^-ched' car , Ixtir 3q„ .( , It ' 3-1 t winy sorts of f urn it ure , an d other articles t,1„, at. .- ‘ v , and. vvitich were previously subject to h ear! n as articles of luxury.—(Hear,, hear, cl see .The tax, hi other shapes, affecied Pll the 4 - -- -unity. - Great stress was laid L • as to its beating with respect to .the article of shoes; but in tbi view it should be *cOlvidei•cd it . vas' not so much the Tutntity of leather in thw'e articicz that Was taxia:,.as the 2encnil mass of "the Counnofiity that 'article li-ear:ae- ticle Ve% m • 4: tured troth. • Upon tht whole, hi every view, he considered the commodity in quv:;fixi Fis a fair an Al advantageous object Of taxation : one likely to be highly productiirc; and not Ilable to real or solid objection Viliatet'er. the Earl . 6f ROCSLYN argued much in detail ac-ainst the measure, as one of an iniurious and "oppressive tendency, and flat likely to be produc tive in Any tiegrte to the exterit.Miiiisteis seemed to expect. The. Earl Of Rass spoke shortly in support of the nicastife and replied paktitillariy to one or two points urged by the list speaker. The Earl of LAzi . DEttoALE qr - oke at iothe length aninst the measure. The Edri of timElitcx. stipported it. ' The Tarp of Itost-r..4 and LAU.EiERILE smoke explanatio2.—Afttr which "the Houie For ElrlSoclicer's amendment. it ...12 Majority .... ---?o The Committee then went through ,the which forthwith -reported, without athelid- Ii ents The other bills on' the table were then for w,:rded in their' respective stages; and at half past eight o'clock, the House 6.cliournell till to= morrow. TIOUSE - OF COM.qoNB.—TonsnAy. Sir THOMAS PLOMER took the oaths arid iii 3eat as Attorney-General. ' • • On the motion - of Mr WELLELLEV P 01.2, it •was ordered that copies of any papers connected with, or relating to, a complaint made by •cer tain Merchants of the 'City of 'Dublin, against the Police of that City, should be•laid before the House: The Levl'lnt Trade Bill, and the Wood and Ashes Bill were read a third time and.passed. The Report o!' The Committee on the Starch Bill, was brought up and agreeed to. - On the motion for a Committee on the Stnne Bottle Duty Bill, after' some conversation be tween Sir Samuel Romillv, and- the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in which the former started , some objections which be bad to make this Duty, the ;Bill went through a Cottimittee,, the report of which was ordered to be received to-morrow. Leave was obtained to bring in a Bill for re gulating the removal of Wool from one bonding port to another; and also a Bill to allow dealers in Coffee to remove that article from one ware house to another without a permit. The 'Smuggling Bill went through a Coinmit tee, the report - of .. , nich was ordered to be re ceivni to-morrow. . The. Isle of Alan Trade Bill went also through a Committee the report of width was ordered tor be received to-in rrow. The Manure CArriage Bill, went through a Com= mime, when an error being discovered in it; leave was granted to bring in a new Bid.. , The Mali Biii was . appoi n t e d t o go .through a hrough Committee to-naorrotv. The. Fraine-work - 7tuitters went through a Committee, when the Bill Was appointed to be taken into furtliei- consideration Friday next, and to be pr;nted as. amended. The General IneloOre Alidavit Bill was read a second time, and appointed, to go through a Committee on ThuKsday text. • An:Aer,ount was _ordered to be laid before the House of ail the Pensions and Annuities granted by the East India Company, with a specification of the dates and amounts of each, and a state ment of What the services were for which they were granted.. • • Several Petitions *ere presented in favour of the Nightly Watch Bill, which were ordered to .ie on the tal le. On' the Order of the Day for taking into con sideration the Amendments of the LordS on the Irish Grand Jury Bill, .The SPEAKER said, that he did not think flint the House, consistent with its Usages, cord a. cede to the aniendments prpposed by thei , ; Lord ships on this Bill; he therefore MOved, " that these Amendments be taken into further consi deration on that day three months," which was agreed to. The Scots Stipends Bill went through a Com mittee, the report on which was ordered to be received to-morrow. A!7CTIQN DUTY HILL. The CIIACELLOR of the ILtcnzauElt said, that in consequence of some communication which be had with persons engaged in this trade, he was induceti to postpone the second I%;ading cf this Bill to that d,ty fortnight. Mr. SIIERTI - JAN thought that the consi , l2ration 'of this Bill should he laid aside, for the present Session of Parliament. j The CIMZICELLOR of the EXCIPSC.IIER Saict, Ire had no ObjCetiOrt to postpone the corNideration of this Bill to a future Session. Mr. BROUGHAM con g -t-atulated the House on the, abandonment of this tax ; it was a measure which he highly ?Approved of. The further consideration of this Bill was ac corclingly postponed to tilat day two months. THE CASE OF I , 4 IALTER HALL. Mr: TIGNE, adverting to the case of Walter Hall, tried and convicted in Dublin of the murder of a man, and since pardoned, ,observed that the papers furnished in ,consequence •of the motion which he had brought foricard'on the subjecf, Were not satisfactory, as they did not contain the whole of the documents necessary to enable him to ground his motion. The man was found guilty on the 17th February, and on thel9th he was ordered for execution, but was not reprieved the 25th. He wished therefore, before he mov- ed for further papers, to ascertain from the night Hon: Gentleman (Mr. Pole), whether judgment. of execution was stayed merely by the SheritC of Dublin, or from what other authority; Mr. Por-LI said, he Was rially unable to under-. stand the Meaning of the premature 'question put by the Hon. Gentleman, and put in a tone not very usual when a Gentleman applied to the courtesy of any other Member for information. felt, however. ) , no diiiaclination either to answn thc.Auetioli of the Floe Gentleman cr to enter L: to a full disau3s;on upon the merits of the 11`he Hon:Tv:ember had moved fur ail ..0- count Of any reprieve or pardon granted to Walter Hail,. and the rPtlpers which Lc hai moved for wee ipefol:e the ;' if 'he had moved for an vecon.nt of lay Tevite it would have been returned in the. regular z - ay: The reprieve which had been grant. wo.; on the 25the of February, and was granted by the Lord Lieutenant, 'on the opinion and by the advice of the two .judges who pre bided on the Circuit when the pririouer Hall was tried. C Pion whiled to know . whether the respite v.Tis iil x" , iriol.l.,"' and signed by the Lord Lieute r,ant. He di.i not know the distinction between a respite and. a reprieVe.. Mr. W. Poi. said, he thought he bad before explariao himsetf The facts of 'the 61.se *ere Siinuty. the dry of the trial after HAil :vas convictcd, the Judge who tried him wrOte to :tile Under Secretary of . Btzte, forming him of the ddiibt.s which existed on his wind, and reiltiesting that a respite might be A repite Was accordingly sent, an d h e , that it was in writing, becaUse that was tile regular mode, but he could . not speak- with absolute certainty,. being at that time in Ungland. attending Parliament - al-I duties. He could not. speak technically upon the subject, hut the fact'was, that a re.spite, Was sent in compliance with - .' the, Wish ;Of the' Judge.. Su ch was the information which . be had obtained upon E t sub ject, tor wi , en the Hononrable Ceutledsan first introduced. the subject ' , he really knew not that transaction at least all the information he then had waS front some anonymous letters which he bad received, threatening him with assassimition in 'consequence of Hail being pardoned. He had shewn the Honourable Gentleman all - the pa pt-rs which he had .received upon the subject, .corn. which' it appeared that this man hail been repriee ell iu eousequenee of the representation of the Judges who tried him, and that he had been seat to Botany-Bay: Mr. TIGHE then observed, he should move for the respite. At the same time, he could not avoid saying that- his original motion called for all pa pers in possessio'n of the Irish Government on the subject. He then moved an Address to the Prince itegent for Copies of any Respite, llepri*eve, or • Pardon, grantei ,to Walter Hall, convicted of murder in Dublin. PoL".e- said, if the Honourable Member wanted' any other papers, of course he was at li bertv'to move for them ; but he contended tintt the order iq the-} Ouse had been strictly coinplied with- oy the production of the papers then on th e tame ; inde , A . the very circumstance of the Eon. Gentlethan entering his motion proved the fact.— li-the Honourable Gentieman wished to shirk the • • • questioti, it to put, oft till next Sessi,,n, be !• had no oujection,- except that it kept this sub j ect in agitation, which he considered as highly. un-- ' Itir to the Government of Ireland, whose conduct :tad been attacked. He- Wished the Honourable Gentleman would state to the House, how., in Ins opinion;''the - Lord Lieutenant could execute justice in mercy, if be did not, attend to the re presentations of Judges by whom criminals Were tried. He ir'nhed he would state distiuetly to whom or for what he attributed any blame in this transaction, for. at present he really was at a loss to Ascertain the object which the Honourable Gentleman had in view. .This case had been grossly misrepresented in Irelatid at public meet ings held to: very different purposes. it, had been said thatthis man had received a free pardon be cause he was an Orange man, and that he had even received a reward for what he had done. = This calumny had been boldly stated in Dublin, and, even the Honourable Gentleman, when he first -introduced the subject, thought that Hall had received a free pardon; and that he was at large, He '(1lr.:Pole) had received two letters,, threaten ing him with assassination because Hall was not executed.; that, hOwever, was of no importance; but it was-no light, matter to have th'e conduct of Government , fal , ;(.•iy arraigneddia.the public prints and at public 1/114cAings, on the ground that juttice. Was not duly adadnistered. i ow what were the real facts Of the case upon which these ur.fc.;anded chai - ge's were preferred •? After the LA. and eon viqtion of nail.. the Judge before vithoiti be was tred, Sir G. Osborne, wrote the following letter to the sUnc:er S''',cretary . of State " " There - ..Vzis a man of the name of Walter Hall convicted yesterday of the . murder of a boy in Aungier-strek, andsentencel, as the law requires, to be executed to-mortow. There was something id the investigation . (thoug - h4 made no part of his :defence) that pressed on my Triin:i the idea of at least temporary insanity in the -man. There was no assignable inoti.c for hiS act; and the man had the character °Oar inoffensive and peaceable per.: son every oilier tu.n.aetion. He Was' not in a state--' of such intoxicatioa as to leave bin 3gnorant of what he was doing; and ifter being takvn into custody, kris conduet had all the cliaL. ratter luadness, composedly glorying in .the deed, and valai...ting of hundreds of Rebels he had destroyed and would destroy. There Was uo at- tc.rpt at ev:dcnectO support, and therefore no thing to warrant me in putting an issue of:insanity to the Jury; it :vas only a fceling of my own mind, and the Jury` found him guilty of a murder (independent of-that conside ra ti on ) o f th e d eepest. character. The notion that during the trial was working in my Mind, I find in a good measure confirmed by some .information. -received since 'by Baron ritTlelland, who sat with me at the trial; he - has been informeti,and from a source that he can rely on, that thio unfortunate man is adlicted in a Most extraordinary way by even the least excess in drinking, arising from wourids received in the head about two years ago, and violence- 111- Ways assumes the same character of ext.ravage..t loyaltv,.as it is called, 2nd extravagant notion.; (..f Rebellion and Rebels. Thcre can be no 0.,;:.1bt from what I have stated, ‘c .t that he is a very dangerous mar; lint if his arises, as I think, from the misfortune I have e',iaded to,. it appears to me tag tie :s A fUI.:"JeCt .for the punishment that awaits him. 1 therefoye submit to‘his Grace's consideration the propriety of sewl drespite.at,Je.ast, this dayi , , as he is ordered for execution to marrow. " I am &c. CU,LLES OsaoßNz." Invonsequenee of this letter a re , zpite was im mediately ex anted, "and t)eiot e the ee, o, the facts referred to in the above letter being investigated and cueroborated, and the man Eaving received an excellent character from the most respect'oble euarters (among others, from Mr. George Ogle), the Lord Lieuteuara felt it to be his duty to par don him, oo condition of his being troe:ported for life to Botany Bay, and an intimation vos sent oct of the infirmity' to which he was ii ilile -These were the facts of the case, and he wish ed a 3. in to the .+lnourable Cientienonr mean to arraign toe coiljuet - of the Lold. , Liente nant because he nothiniStered Justice -in mercy, because he satended to the rcoresentations of the two .lidges who presideci 'eedoteetileben this man '.eas tried ? Did . hethin: the,te after that recom- • mendation, the mnsn et:gilt to blve been hanged ? If the Hon. Gentlenia;:, meant that, instead of he * traesported, he ought, to have been shut up . for llrc , that might be a questi: J adtll:tt ill of doubt ; but thct Lord Lieutenant was hoe o d to attend to the neconitneodation of the j'lC,&s was a point upon which he Could not suppose it possible for a diifereoce of opinion to exfst. Did ihe Hon. Gentleman mean t 6 criminate the Judges forthe opinion they had given upon this oech sion ? If he did, he wished . he would say. Soeniad come to the merits of the case , at once," rand not put it off till nex t Session, upon a motion for a paper which could have no bearing whatever upon the facts of the case. . Mr. WIIVITREAD observed, that he also had re ceived, threatening letters of assasination, should he oppose the Right lam). Gentleman (Mr. Pole) ; so that both - stood in a perilous situation, yet neither would' shrink front their d u ty. He was disposed to imp rite blame to the Irish , Govern- Meat in their conduct, -because a pardon granted tipon such terms would equally apply to all. cases Of murder. With respect to the observetion of orthe Ji'idges—"" that Hall had Murdered the Man in an extravagant lit of loyalty,' that would serve as an excuse for every species of loyal mut, der. If he thought Hall iasane, why did he re- , commend that he should be sent upon foreign service ? There he would get plenty of spirits, which would increase his disorder, and he might shoot his comrades. • Lord CAsTeErtAGnr-regretted, that his Honour able Friend should call for a paper which "must interpose a bar to Lis motion for the present Session. The question was, whether or not the Lord Lieutenant had not acted coirectly and mercifully, in attending to the recommendation of the Judges, and in not ordering the execut:on• -of the sentence of the law ? The Noble Lord agreed with his . Right Mon. Friend, th a t t h e H on. Mover was in justice bound to call for the reci sion of Parliament before the close of the Se-I.ion, and not allow the charge against the Govern ment of Ireland to remain unanswered. Sir f. 21.:RDETT agreed with the Noble Lord that the House was not the proper tribunal to try the cause over again ; but he thought the conduct of the Judges on the occasion demanded investiga tion, and he knew the public was indebted tO. the Hon. Gentleman for bringing so important a con- Stitutional question before the House. • Mr. W. kITZGERALD condemned the motion, as charging the Government of Ireland with a gross breach of duty. Ile observed, that one of th e leading-- orators in'Driblin had characterised the conduct of that Government with infaniy: Under such a charge, was it fair to wait for such a paper as that now moved for ? Mr. R. :MARTIN was of opinion that the GoV(:rn ment, as a matter of course, ;;as bound to attend to the - A•econnuendation of,theJudges; at the saute time, he could not' help thinking that their con-' duct was the most absurd, for if the man was in sane, then, he was not guilty of any crime, and to have received a, free pardon. Mr. DaouonAk observed; that the present was a subject of the most delicate nature ; and that the H9llF:e Oliht to proceed in it warily and: scr6pnlonsly. it involved tae'charetter and con duct of two Judges of the land. . Although lie condemned the h'igh tone assumed by the-Gen-. tlecrien oppos;te, because on the face cf the papers .. already on the table, there was ground for enter taining some doubts, yet he was bound to believe that the . .3eLearnedJudges satijactory reat:or,3 for their cwiciuct„ alt.b.c. , :tgli in their let ters to the Lord Lic , _;tenant they certaiuiy had not done ;so. depreceed any future siori ;luta the House shouid ')e in fuii n7;s?.essi JA of all the facts end circurasyncts of.the case. Mr. TIGHE declared, that when he originally .gave a notice on thisubjcct, it was with an in tention of discussing it fully on the present otca sion. N:Jthing could be further from his mind, than the v:ish to shirk from the i!lvestig-:-Ition ,which lied been imputed tc''n:ni. He read is ad, milted, that if blame attalled to any one, it Was to the.Judzes from xviloui the recommendation to nierev prOceeded, aid not to the LOrd Lieutenant, i.vhohad properly listened to that recotween dz.t:on. At to Hail, he pledged himself to })ring evidence to prove malice I.;o2etise en his part— , A) prove that; when v eleaning his "k• isket on the morning of the murder," he declared, that he .weitia shoot some Papist. There - could be little doubt that Eli wf.;.;' confident pf impunity, he- • cause a number o other atrocious deedS of blood of a similar nature had arse: unpuni,:hed. Not long, before, a jury hati r(2:(,:,ned a verdict of ac quittal in a•case v.-here a yeolutru had shot a Catholic, and persisted in that vet d et, .l thou 'ti they were sent back to recon:3i,ier ,t bp , :the Learned Judt(e '(Osborrie). This was IL L instih . ited ease. had br oug h t i t forward a 4 symutoinatic ('f' the achninzstratif3a of criminal, jipsti2e in Irclo.nd; and he trusted thatt - in the next the House wouid ieStitute-..an inquiry in %) the adminitratiOn of crziiminal jit , tice in: le ., ad,' sincetliis Union. The • Irish expeeted thitt impartiality' in th e United Pariiatfte;it, which they had in'vn looked for in a locali,,t-::,ishiture. The motion was then agreed to. • Mr. - Tio 2 lE.proceekted to move an Address to the frin4te Regent, praying that he would be graciottly p!east!,l to cause the notes of the ..adgcs at the Li al to he before the House, Mr. PRouGlia,..m was decidedly of opinion that the ,itiocs ought to - have ivery possible oopor• tunity afforded them of e,cuiplzting - 11etaset,: cs . WILsoN expiese i siatilar Sentilnoutts,-nlid added, that in his cp:• iu;Ctit