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SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. The rate-payers of the county of Middlesex must be upon the look-out, as another job is confidently stated to be on the tapis. The old cry of humanity to the poor will be raised, and as much dust as possible will be thrown upon the rate-payers to prevent them from having too clear a perception of the real nature of the transaction. On Thursday next, being the county-day of the April Quarter Sessions, it will be proposed by one of the local, to grant the visiting Justices '22,000/. for the extension of the Lu natic Asylum at Hanwell. It has long been notorious that that monstrous affair, the Hanwell Asylum, as a place for the cure of lunacy, is a decided failure, notwithstanding the cost of 140,0001.. which the purchase of the land at 2501. per acre, and the mass of brickwork erected thereon, have occasioned. The public are very much indebted to the Hon. Member for Nottinghamshire, Mr. G. Knight, whose recent admirable letter to a portion of his consti tuents on the subject, and in support of the Poor Law Amendment Act, we regret that, from the pressure of Parliamentary business, we had not space to insert :—We say that to this Honourable Member of the House of Commons the public is deeply indebted for the means of exposing the transactions which relate to the cure of the unfortunate lunatic inmates of the Han well Asylum. The order of the House of Commons of the 13th of March last, for the names and parishes to which they belonged of the 260 paupers discharged cured from the Hanwell Asylum, from the 15th May, 1831, to the 31st December, 1836, seems to have thrown the snug little coterie—the management of that Institution—into consternation. It will appear from the Magisterial circular, which we insert in another column, that the visiting Justices of the Lunatic Asylum have, since that searching matter of-fact order of the House of Commons, called upon the doctor of the Establishment " to explain the cause of the apparent paucity of the numbers cured in the Asylum at Hanwell, compared with those cured in other Institutions." In our opinion, it is the visiting Justices who should be re quired to answer the query, and not the doctor, who, in his reply, it will be seen, states the important fact, that, during nearly six years, he has treated 1,296 patients, and " that the total number of patients cured, out of the 1,296, has been 260." By the votes of the House of Commons of Saturday morning, we perceive that the Hon. Member for Nottinghamshire wants more information about these 260 patients cured in six years, as the following extract from the votes of the House of Commons will prove : " Lunatic Paupers, Hanwell.—Return ordered of each of the lunatic paupers, who, by the Return presented to the House of Commons on the 6th of April, appear to have been discharged cured from the Lunatic Asylum at Hanwell, and who subsequently to the date returned as that of their cure, have been, or now are, inmates of that asylum ; distinguishing those who have died there and those who have been dismissed uncured." As this is a subject of the utmost importance to the unfortunate inmates of the Lunatic Asylum, as well as to those of our readers who, as rate-payers, have to supply the money to be expended at that Institution, we have been at some pains to obtain the most accurate information on the subject of the 1,296 pa tients admitted to the Hanwell Asylum ; and we have ar ranged from the various annual reports by the visiting Jus tices of the Hanwell Asylum, reported to the Quarter Ses sions, the following table : Table of the 1,296 Pauper Lunatics admitted to the lianwell Asylum from May 13, 1831, to Dec. 31, 1836. 1831 1832 18s3 1:531 •i 835 1536 Total P.eii,nts admitted whose cases did not exceed 3 months and first at-t • 33 sack Ditto whose cases did not exceed/ 26 29 1S lti 1.3 inonths Ditto whose cases did not exceed 24 1 9 1:7 14 3. two years Ditto whose cases exceeed.xl two 329. 123 1:9 years Ditto who had had previousattacks 10 14 i 3 Total admissions during the years/ 2;:. 4221 0 03 122 11 11! L.' 6 at tha hoad of each cohmin Not specified this year. We boldly state our opinion, we dishclicv to the House of Commons, that 260 patients have been cured in the six years in the Hal...well Asylum. Looking at the table, we think that the 9./5 cases which were ad nutted in 1831, not being classified, is a very suspicious fact, because in the twaddle from Hanwell, announced iu j.llO circular from the Sessions-house, Clerkenwell, of the Gth instant, it is stated that 1,066 were old cases, and only 230 of the 1,296 were recent cases. We know that the eases in 1831 were selected as those most likely to be cured from among the lunatic paupers of Middlesex ; and a selection of cases is one of the very fundamental princi ples upon which the rules and regulations for the ad mission of patients to the Hanwell Asylum are founded. If this fact be established, it annihilates all sophistry ; rind the unpalatable truth of the entire failure of this institution, as a means of curing lunatics, up on which such an extravagant expenditure of the public money has been squandered, is at once de monstrated. Now to prove the fact of the selection of cases to be admitted to Hanwell. A return ordered to be printed by the House of Commons so recently as the 14th of July, 1836 (No. 444), which is a return from all the County Lunatic Asylums in England, in the Middle sex portion the rules and regulations are given ; and at page 17 it is stated, " Patients will be admitted every Tuesday and Friday, from eleven to one o'clock. The Overseer qf the Parish must first write to inquire if there be a vacancy. He will then receive a List of Questions, which must be answered immediately, and as correctly as possible. He will then be informed if the patient can be admitted, and on what day." This is_ the rule of admission to the Han well Asylum agreed upon in April, 1831, before one pa tient was received, and returned to the House of Commons as the rule of admission in April, 1836, by the Visiting Justices of that Asylum ; and with this fact before our readers we leave the circular to make its own impression as to the real cause of" the apparent paucity" of cures in the six years at Hanwell. There are two statements in this Hanwell circular that require a few observations. It is therein shown that the gross number of zatients received in the six years into that Lunatic Asylum is 1,296 ; these the Doctor divides into two classes, viz.— Old cases Recent cases e statemen Total This shows only a gross amount of cure of 197, whereas the return to the House of Commons is stated to be 260, and so does the previous part of the same circular. What is the mystification here ? Is the real amount of cure 197 cases in the six years, swelled out by repetitions of the same persons to 260 ? Our next remark is on these words of the Hanwell circular, " I would beg leave to add one observation with respect to the number of deaths ; the proportion is not greater than that of any .other merely Pauper Lunatic Asylum, where all, as in the c.tse here, must be either discharged cured, or by desire of their friends, in consequence of their being able to maintain them, or else must remain until they die." Now what do our readers imagine is the amount of mortality in that Lu .natic Asylam fr3m May 1831 to December 31, 1836—t0 which such a delicate allusion is made ? Three hundred and ninety-one have died there. There is no apparent paucity of deaths, whatever there may be of cures in that institution. e rejoice to see that the representative ves tries of the metropolis are alive to the importance of the sub ject. St. George, Hanover-square, has unanimously ex pressed a decided objection to the proposed extension of the Asylum—so has the representative vestry of St. James, - Westminster—so also has the vestry of Mary-le-bone. 'These three vestries alone represent property liable to co inty rates exceeding one million and a half of annual rental, which property it is in the power of the Middlesex - t gistrates to tax without the consent, and to spend the amo mot of that taxation without the controul of these elected representatives of such an immense property. The .representative principle in these three parishes has reduced lhe parochial charges upon their respective inhabitants about two hundred thousand pounds per annum. The same principle would soon root out jobbery in the county of Middlesex, and give a great relief to the rate-payers of the meiropolitan county. We shall closely watch the pro ceedings of the Magistrates on the county-day. We shall rcsurne the subject upon an early occasion, and also advert age.in to the disgraceful state of the Middlesex prison for untried prisoners.--Morning Advertiser. SITTING UP.--Tt,ere are few things more worry ing than sitting up for somebody, especially if that somebody be at a party. You cannot he2p thinking bow quickly the ;time passes with them, which drags so heavily with you; and L'ie more you think of this the more yotzr hopes of their speedy • atival decline. Clocks tick so loud, too, when you are sit tint.' up alone, and you seem—at least we always do—as if you had got an under garment of cobwebs on. First, some thing tickles your right knee, and then the same sensation irritates your left. You have no sooner changed your posi tion tlwn it comes again in the arms ; and when you have £dgetted your limbs into all sorts sf queer shapes, you have a sudden r t lapse in the nose, which you rub as if to rub it off, at there is p doubt you would if you could. Eyes, too, are mere personal inconveniences, and the wick of one candle gets an inch and a half long while you are snuffing the other. 'These, and various other little nervous annoyances, render sitting up for a length of time after every one else has gone to bekl anything but a cheerful amusement.--Pickwick. Died, at Stewarton, on the 30th March, Margaret Cal 'jerwood, the most aged person in the pariah. According to hr T own statement and that of her friends, which we believe t o b e correct, she was in the 103 d year of her age. She was rnarrir d to Charles Banks, and had been a widow for about 30 years. During the latter years of her life she was supported by charill:ty. Her friends and neighbours were kind to her. Ab o ut f . o.ur years ago she got a new tooth, and recovered her so that she was ab!e to read her psalm-book without de aid of spectacles. She had been very deaf for several Sear' • but :retained her mental faculties to the last, and prized grea t ly the visits of the minister.—Scottish Guardian. PAUPER LUNATIC ASYLUM FOR THE COUNTY OF MIDDLESEX, AT HANWELL. Sessions House, Clerkenwell, April 6, 1837. Sir,—l am directed by the Committee of Justices appointed to superintend the management of the County Lunatic Asy lum at Hanwell, to transmit you a copy of a letter, laid before them at a meeting held on the 3d instant, from Sir William Ellis, the Resident Physician and Superintendent of that Institution. I have the honour to be, Sir, Your most obedient servant, C. WRIGHT, Clerk to the Committee. ... " Pauper Lunatic Asylum, Hanwell, March 29, 1837. " Sir—Having been requested by the Committee of Vi siting Justices of the Pauper Lunatic Asylum, to explain the cause of the apparent paucity of the numbers cured in the Asylum at Hanwell, in comparison with those cured in other institutions, I beg to forward to you the following statement : " The total number of patients received into the Asylum, from its opening to the 31st of December, 1836, is 1,296. Out of this number 1,066 appear, from the documents received with them on their admission, and from inquiries of their friends, to have been insane upwards of twelve months pre viously. The duration of their insanity varying from two to thirty years, and being on the average upwards of five years. Only 230 are alleged to have been insane for a period less than twelve months, and there is great reason to believe that many out of the 230 have been really insane for a considera bly longer period : out of the number admitted 160 have had previous attacks. The total number of patients cured out of the 1,226, has been 260. It appears from an investigation of the documents relating to the year 1831, and from the subse quent annual reports, that independently of those cured, who on their admission had had previous attacks, 133, or nearly 58 out of every one hundred admitted, who are said not to have been insane longer than 12 months have been discharged cured. Now 50 out of every 100 is considered a fair number of cures in those hospitals where none are admit ted who have been insane longer than 12 months, and where consequently all are recent cases. The hospitals to which I allude have a very great additional advantage in not receiving any epileptic cases, or a single patient subject to any dis ease tending to shorten life ; epileptic patients it is to be remarked are almost invariably incurable. In this Institu tion, even amongst the recent cases, many have been epi leptic, and many have been labouring under fatal diseases at the time of their admission, but still the proportion of cures amongst them has been 58 out of every 10A ad mitted. The average number of cures therefore, as far as regards this class of patients, is considerably in favour of this institution. Again, from the opening of the Asylum to the 31st of December, 1836, 64 have been cured, who according to the theory and practice of the previously referred to hospi tals, are considered and dealt with as incurables, that is, who have been insane more than twelve months. " I would beg leave to add one observation with respect to the number of deaths : the proportion is not greater than that of any other merely Pauper Lunatic Asylum, where all, as is the case here, must either be discharged cured, or by desire of their friends, in consequence of their being able to maintain them, or else must remain until they die. The patients now in the ir use are almost entirely old cases, and the proportion of cures fi mil this class only being 64 out of 1,066, whilst dur ing the same period there are 133 cures out of 230 recent cases, forbids the hope that with the present inmates there will be any diminution in the deaths, or increase in the proportion of cures; and as the Asylum is now, and has been for some time past, completely filled, vacancies occur so rarely, that unless some means be adopted for the reception of the recent cases, these will, before they can, according to rotation, be received into the institution, have become cases of confirmed insanity and comparatively incurable. I remain, Sir, your very obedient servant, " W. C. ELLIS, M.D. " To the Chairman of the Committee of the Visiting Justices of the Pauper Lunatic Avylum for the County of Middlesex." IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Anal 17. The Earl of SEIAFTESBURY, in the absence of the Lord Chancellor, took his seat on the Woolsack at a quarter before Five o'clock. Several Private Bills on the table were advanced a stage. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented two petitions in favour of Church-rates, from parishes in Staffordshire. Lord DACRE presented a petition against Church rates from Malden, in Essex. Lord STRAFFORD presented a petition from the county of Stafford against Church-rates. The Duke of WELLINGTON presented petitions in favour of Church-rates from places in Banff. Earl riTzw ILIA Am presented petitions in favour of Church-rates from parishes in Durham. The Bishop of HEREFORD presented a petition from a parish in Hereford, in favour of Church-rates. The Bishop of ST. ASAP H presented similar peti tions from St. Asaph, and from several parishes in the county of Montgomery. He also presented a petition from the laity of the County of Montgomery, agreed to at a meet ' ing of the inhabitants convened by the High Sheriff, against the abstraction of Church property in Wales for any other purposes than the augmentation of small livings. The Bishop of CARLISLE presented petitions in favour of Churcl.-rates from Carlisle, and from other places in Cumberland : also a petition from a parish in Cumberland against the extension of the Poor Law to that part of the kingdom. Lord TANKERVILLE presented a petition in favour of Church-rates. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from the clerks and sextons of several parishes in the metropolis, praying that some means may be adopted to afford them compensation for the losses sustained by them, in con sequence of the establishment of new cemeteries ; the Right Rev. Prelate also presented a petition from a place in Suffolk, praying that measures might be adopted to procure a better observance of the Lord's Day ; and several peti tions from operatives in Manchester and other places, pray ing for a Ten Hours' Factory Bill for all persons under the age of 21 ; also from several places in his diocese, in favour of Church-rates. _ . The Bishop of WINCHESTER presented several peti tions in favour of Church-rates, from places in Louth, Hants, and Surrey. Lord COLVILLE presented similar petitions from Leamington, and other places. The Duke of BUCCLEUGH and the Earl of HARE WOOD presented petitions to the same effect. POOR-LAWS. The Earl of HARE WOOD presented a petition from Galthorp, in the West Riding of Yorkshire, against the Poor-law Amendment Act ; in doing so he would observe that he was not hostile to the measure, but to the ex tremes to' which its provisions were carried, especially as regarded the prevention of out door relief, and the com pelling persons to go into the workhouses, before they could be relieved. He concluded by moving that the pe tition be read. The Clerk accordingly read the petition at great length, which prayed that their Lordships would take steps to pre vent the Act being extended to petitioners' parish, and leave them to collect and distribute their rates as they had hitherto done, under the control of a vestry. Lord MALMESBURY said that instructions had been given to the Commissioners to make unions as extensive as possible, which he objected to, as in rural districts it was attended with inconvenience alike to those claiming relief, and to the Guardians, in consequence of the distance they had to go to the central point. He had opposed the Act in amine, because he thought too much power was given to the Commissioners, and too little discretion to the Guardians ; and perhaps he was of the same opinion still, although he did not wish to excite any prejudice against the Act. Another point to which he would refer was the medical relief, and he considered that ten miles was too far for a medical man-to go, and in consequence he thought suffi cient medical relief was not afforded. Earl F ITZ WI LLIAM said it was obvious when this Bill passed, that it would confer the greatest boon on some parts of the kingdom, and he did not think that elsewhere it would act so inconveniently as was anticipated. None of the rules of the Commissioners were in his opinion unconsti tutional, but they would require caution in the application of them, especially in some of the manufacturing towns, where the population was very dense. He thought those rules could not be strictly applied, and were he one of a Board of Guardians, he would very reluctantly refuse out-door relief in all instances to the able-bodied labourer. It would be not only contrary to humanity, but to the selfish and pecuniary interests of the rate-payers themselves to do so, and he thought the regulation should be managed, not by rules, but by the judgment of the Guardians. Viscount MELBOURNE defended the operation of the Act. There was no doubt that strong opinions were enter tained on the subject of the petitions presented by the Noble Lord. It was impossible to deny this, but it was impossible to deny also that over-statements had been made—unions were said to be too large and the medical relief too small ; but he thought that the proper consideration had been given to these subjects, and it was in order to adapt the law to different parts of the country, that the large discretionary powers bad been vested in the Commissioners. Lord ELLENBOROUGH said that the system of medical relief under the new Act was superior to that under the old law. He would call the attention of the House to the condition of persons just above the condition of paupers ; a Me dical Club had been established in the union in which he lived, which worked admirably well, and in two months consisted of 850 members. In regard to able-bodied labourers, many of them could not live on their wages, but they were objects for private charity, and by the exercise of this there had not been a single able-bodied labourer in the workhouse, in the union where he lived, since the Act came into opera tion.—( Hear.) As to the extent of the discretionary powers vested in the Commissioners they were large, but they were not larger than those under the old system, or than they should be ; and the exercise of them now, in promoting private charity, restored the bond of union which should exist between rich and poor. Lord MALMESBURY explained. HOUSE OF COMMONS, APRIL 17. THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, APRIL 18, 1837• The Duke of RICHMOND defended the conduct of the Guardians in the appointment of medical relief ; in do ing so they were not actuated by the low tenders, but by the ability of the parties who offered themselves as medical officers. Lord WH ARNCLIFFE said, that the question was, if suitable payment were given to the officer, which would insure good medicines ; and he defied the Guardians to ascertain whether good medicines were given under the low tenders. He thought these discussions would prove serviceable, but he protested against the present conversa tion being continued. Earl FITZWILLIAM said that the tenders had no thing to do with the new system. The Marquis of SALISBURY approved of the present system of medical relief. The Marquis of BUTE was of the same opinion, the rules of the Commissioners had been too strict, however, in many cases ; for instance—be regretted that the paupers in the workhouses had not been allowed to go to the parish church. Lord TEYNHAM then gave notice that on Monday next he would move for returns connected with the admi nistration of the Pcor-laws. Earl FITZWILLIAM presented a petition from Bradford, for a revision of the Poor-law Act, complaining of the operations of the bastardy clause. He was, however, totally opposed to the opinion of the petitioners in this respect. IRISH FISHERIES. Lord DUNCANNON laid on the table the second re port of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the fisheries in Ireland. Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented several petitions in favour of Church-rates from places in Yorkshire. PETITION OF THE PROTESTANTS OF IRELAND. The Marquis of DO WNS HI RE postponed the petition he had to present from the Protestants of Ireland to Friday se'nnight, in consequence of the absence of a Noble and Learned Friend of his. Lord BRADFORD presented a petition from certain County Magistrates, complaining of the provisions in the statutes for keeping in repair turnpike roads. The peti tioners stated that the funds collected were not sufficient for the repair of the roads. After a few observations from the Marquis of SALISBURY and Lord DUNCANNON, the petition was laid on the table. Lord ABINGER presented several petitions against the abolition of Church-rates, from parishes in Norwich and other places. The same Noble and Learned Lord pro posed that the second reading of the English Municipal Corporation Amendment Bill should be fixed for Friday, the 28th instant, to suit the convenience of a Noble and Learned Lord (Lyndhurst), who was absent in consequence of a domestic affliction. Lord MELBOURNE acquiesced. Lord HOLLAND presented several petitions in favour of the abolition of Church-rates from parishes and congre gations in Wales. Lord BROUGIIAM presented similar petitions from Carmarthen, Ely, Bradford, and Leicester : and also a pe tition from Leith, against the erection of another harbour at their port. Viscount MELBOURNE presented petitions for the abolition of Church-rates, fro% Colchester, Glamorgan, St. Ncots, and Newport, in the Isle of Wight. Lord DENM AN presented a similar petition from Portsea. The Mutiny Bill, and the Marine Mutiny Bill, severally passed through a Committee. The Trial by Jury Bill (Scotland) passed through a Com mittee. The Provision for taking Affidavits (Scotland and Ire land) Bill passed through a Committee, and was ordered to be reported to-morrow. . The House adjourned at a Quarter-past Seven o'Clock • The SPEAKER. took the Chair shorty before Four o'Clock. On the motion of Mr. ENV A IIT the Great North of Eng land (Clarence and Hartlepool) Junction Railway was read a second time and ordered to be committed. The Hon. Mem ber presented a petition from individeds residing at Liver pool, praying that their rights might be considered, and re muneration afforded them under the Liverpool Improve ment Bill. On the motion of Mr. CHAP MAN the Lords Amendments to the Liverpool Improvement Bill were agreed to. Mr. PALMER brought up the Report of the Streatley and Goring Bridge Bill. Mr. E. TENNENT presented a petition against the Belfast Harbour Bill ; also a petition from the shipowners of Belfast, against the North American Steam Navigation Company's Bill. Sir E. WILMOT presented a petition from Birming ham in favour of the Equitable Gas Bill ; also a petition from Bordesley against the Bill. On the motion of Mr. FINCH the Stamford Water works Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. J. MAXWELL presented two petitions against the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway. Mr. BROTH mum N presented a petition against the Holme Reservoir Bill. Mr. KIRK presented a petition from the shipowners of Belfast against the Belfast Dock Bill. WEST CORK MINING COMPANY. _ Mr. RUTH VEN brought up the Report of the Com mittee on the West Cork Mining Company Bill. Mr. PEASE presented petitions against the Scarbo rough Harbour Bill, the Trinity Harbour Bill, and the Clarence and Hartlepool Railway Bill. LONDON AND BRIGHTON RAILWAY (STEVENSON'S LINE.) Lord E. LENNOX presented a petition from the pro motors of Stevenson's Line, denying, in the strongest terms, the allegations contained in the petition of Mr. Mills. Mr. CURTEIS moved the Order of the Day for re suming the adjourned debate on Mr. Mills's petition against Stevenson's line. He had on the former oc casion moved for the appointment of a Seleet Committee to ascertain whether any false evidence had been knowingly and wilfully given before the London and Brighton Rail way Committee, and to report the same to the House. He regretted that the question had not been decided on Thursday last, and he trusted now that no opposition would be given to the appointment of the Committee, in asmuch as it would place the Directors of Stevenson's line in this dilemma, that if they opposed the motion, it would be said that they had shrunk from meeting the charges. He (Mr. C.) had no doubt that Mr. Mills would be able to prove that false statements had been knowingly and wilfully made before the Committee, in more than a hun dred cases. The gallery was then cleared ; but the question was negatived without a division. On the motion of Mr. ORD, the Newcastle Improve ment Bill was read a second time. Sir J. GRAHAM presented two petitions from Cum berland in favour of the Carlisle Railway. Mr. CHALMERS presented a petition in favour of the Glasgow Railway. Sir G. CLERK presented petitions from Edinburgh and Dundee, against the Glasgow Railway Bill. Mr. C. BARCLAY believed the House would be doing justice to both parties if it refused the investigation now sought for. Mr. S. LEFEVRE coincided in what had fallen from the last speaker. Mr. P. THOMSON knew nothing whatever of these rail ways, but his attention had been called to the circumstances re lated in the different petitions before the House, and he had endeavoured to make himself master of the statements contained in them. In his opinion the House should pause before it established a precedent of such a nature, because, if the House acceded to the present motion, there was nothing whatever to prevent a party trumping up a case on any future occasion. lt was in vain to say that the proceedings of the Committee on this Bill would not be in fluenced by such an inquiry. If the precedent were once established, allegation after allegation would be made by which the time of the House would be most unnecessarily occupied, and by which he was satis fied much injustice would be done to the parties. It might be said that if the House was deceived, why had it not vindicated its own character ?—but it did not ap pear that even the petitioner himself admitted that to be the case, because he bad not shown that be was unaware of the fraud at the time the Bill was before the Sub-Committee, and that was the proper tri bunal before which he should have made his charges. On these grounds he should oppose the present motion. . Lord G. LENNOX said, Mr. Mills having always failed in getting his Bill before the House, as a forlorn hope he attacked Stevenson's Line. After .the many defeats of the gentleman, he hoped the House would only add one more. After a few words from Mr. Greene, Lord G. Somer set, and Colonel Wood, Captain PEC HELL was determined to resist the Bill in every shape. He thought the House ought to encourage the investigation. Mr. H UME thought this was a fit subject for enquiry without reference to any particular line of railway. He thought the House ought to allow the inquiry if it was only for the purpose of supporting its own authority. Mr. TOOKE thought the allegations of the petition ought to be supported by far better evidence before the House granted an inquiry, Sir G. STRICKLAND thought the case ought not to be passed over without some inquiry. Mr. NICHOLL brought up the Reports of the Com mittees on ihe Cardiff Gas and Cardiff Improvement Bills. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE Mr. FAZAKERLY brought up a Report from the Select Committee on the New Poor-law Bill. The Clerk read the-Report to the House, which stated that the Committee, having proceeded in the investigation, had found it necessary to make the following special Report to the House, namely, that parts of the evidence taken by the Committee, and the documents presented to the Com mittee, had appeared in the " True Sun" newspaper of Friday and Saturday week. Mr. FAZAKERLEY then moved that the Report be printed with the Votes, and taken into consideration to m orrow.—Agreed to. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. - Sir E. CODRINGTON rose to complain of a breach of privilege on the part of the " Morning Post" News paper, in having misrepresented what he had said in the course of the discussion the other evening, and what was said by others was equally erroneous. He would not undertake to attribute motives, but the statement might, and was likely to, have led to a breach of the peace.— (Hear, hear, and laughter.) The print was so small that he could hardly read it, and he had made extracts to which he would refer. The first extract was an observa tion attributed to himself, that " many men would have been turned out of the service, if they had acted in the same way as Sir Pultney Malcolm." The expressions he (Sir E. C.) had used were, that from what he had heard Sir P. Malcolm had done, he had subjected himself to be broken by Court-martial. There was a •great difference between these two passages.—( Hear, hear.) Then it was further stated that he (Sir E. Codrington) had said " that Sir P. Malcolm did not speak the truth." He had never thought of such a thing, and he solemnly denied ever having used such expressions. —(Cries of " Hear.") He had said that Sir P. Malcolm had spoken freely of him, and he believed that Gallant Officer would not deny it. He had also added, that he had disapproved of his conduct to wards him (Sir E. C.), but that had excited no ill•will in his mind. He was merely doing the best he could in advocating the cause of the unfortunate persons whose case had been brought before the House. He would be borne out in that by the correspondence which had taken place, and which he understood had been pub lished in an Evening Paper. The next error to which he should refer, was one attributing motives to him which it was absolutely necessary he should take notice of.— (Loud cribs of Hear, hear.) It was reported that the Hon. and Gallant Admiral below him had stated that he (Sir E. C.) had dealt in insinuations, and he was anxious to clear the ground as he went along, by inquiring if that statement was correct. Admiral ADAMS rose, but was called to order by the Speaker. Sir E. CODRINGTON resumed. The next charge to which he should refer was one which he believed and hoped would prove not to be true. It was attributed to the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Cumberland. In the report, the Hon. Baronet was made to say, that he (Sir E. C.) dealt in insinuations, and that for three years he had been trying to whisper away the character of the Gallant O ffi cer. The facts were these. He had after the battle of Navarino had much trouble in obtaining for his people payment for the clothes that were shot off their back. He heard that others who were not in the battle had shared amongst them two French crowns, which had been obtained from the fishing up of guns. That re port reached him, and he at once made use of it in the claim he made to the Right Honourable Baronet (Sir James Graham) on behalf of the men under him. He had never dealt in insinuations, nor had he ever tried to whisper away the character of Sir P. Mal colm—he had dealt openly on the occasion, and made the charges directly. The reports did not originate with him. He was one who wanted much to uphold the character of the profession to which he belonged. He would not throw even just censure up,a an officer where it was Possible to avoid it ; he, in all he had done, had been most anxious to make every allowance for a man's past services, his wounds, &c. He had nothing to say against Sir P. Malcolm ; he had only made use of the reports, in order to obtain justice f or his own people. He was glad to say, that by letter, Sir P. Malcolm had convinced him that if he was at all guilty, he was guilty of a mere venial offence.—(Hear, hear.) He did not know whether the House wished him to read the letter before the Right Hon. Baronet gave the expla nation he asked.—(Cries of " Read, read.") The Hon. Baronet then read the letter of Sir P. Malcolm to him, which was as follows : " No. 23, York-terrace, April 14, 1837. " Sir—lt appears from the report of your speech in the House of Commons last night, as reported in the Morning Post, that you stated that I ought to have been turned out of the service for my conduct when in command of the Mediterra nean squadron, and I understood the charges to be, that I fished up some brass guns front the wrecks of the ships at Na varino, which were sold, and the proceeds shared as prize money on board the Asia, and that I had employed ships of the Government in conveying materials for building a house on speculation, and not for my own residence. I hope and believe that you have made these statements under a false im pression as to the facts. I shall now proceed to state what occurred, on the honour of an officer ; and I have no doubt that on attentive consideration you will repair, as far as you may have the power, the injury you have done my cha racter, by stating in your place, in the House of Commons, that you had been misinformed. " It is true that some brass guns were taken up from the wrecks at Navarino by the boats of the Asia, and that Captain Hope Johnstone proposed to me that they should be sold, and the money be divided amongst those who had got them up ; of this I approved, and it was so divided. In reply to the other charge, I have to state that in the year 1830 I purchased a piece of land near to Athens, for the purpose of building a small house to perpetuate my name in Greece, in whose wel fare I was strongly interested. In January, 1831, the autho rities who were engaged in the settlement of Greece were as sembled at Salamis, and were on the point of making a finish when they received instructions to stop, as the Ministers of the Alliance had hopes of obtaining an extension of the pro posed limits. Great was the disappointment, and the Greeks began to despair of ever seeing their country settled. To show, however, that I considered that the delay was but tem porary, I gave directions to prepare to build my house. The three Residents of the Alliance accompanied me to the spot, and all urged me to enlarge my plan. I was induced to listen to their suggestions, as it enabled me to show the Greeks the superiority of the Maltese workmen, a number of whom went to Athens, where they got full employment. Capo d'lstria, the then President of Greece, said to me that I had conferred a real benefit on his country by beginning to build a house, as it gave confidence to those who were desirous to do the same, and who had purchased lands from the Turks, but were dis heartened when we separated at Salamis. I had been in com munication with Sir F. Ponsonby, and the best means for ob taining employment for the Maltese in Greece, and this ap peared to me a good beginning. When at Malta I employed the best workmen to make doors and windows for this house, and I purchased many articles for the building, which I sent to Greece by a Greek brig which I hired for the purpose ; but I remember that Captain Lyons, of the Madagascar, pro posed to me to take the windows into his cabin, as they might be broke in the brig, and I consented, as he was bound to Athens. Some polished stones were taken on board the Bri tannia, but her destination being changed when at sea, Cap tain Hawkins, of the Raleigh, who was bound to Athens, pro posed that he should take them up, and I consented. These are the only circumstances which I can recollect, and surely these acts are not to be construed into employing Government vessels for private emolument. " I am your most obedient servant, ( Signed) " Pci.r. MALCOLM. " Admiral Sir E. Codrington." The following is the answer and reply : " Eaton-square, April 15, 1837. " Dear White—Since I had no opportunity, last night, in the House of Commons, of giving Sir P. Malcolm's explana tion, and since it cannot now take place until Monday, I think it as well to take the opportunity of pointing out to him, through you, that my object in referring to his conduct' was not to injure him, but to show the House of Commons and the country the injustice of the conduct and the doctrine of Sir J. Graham. I say the Admiralties which have inflicted this pu nishment on the defenceless would not venture to inflict it upon those in a condition to defend themselves. Sir J. Graham declares, in contradiction, that he would so treat me, if he thought I conducted myself unbecoming the character of an officer and a gentleman. 1 ask him if such and such things, imputed to Sir P. Malcolm, which, if exhibited before a court martial, might dismiss him from the service, would induce him to dismiss me by his own fiat ? Instead of a distinct reply, he challenges me by taunts, enforced by a host of cheerers behind him, to name the person to whom I allude. This made my so doing imperative ; for if I had then shrunk, what would not have been said of me—not merely by the Morning Post, but by respectable individuals of our profession ? This said jour nal makes a false report, as I think I shall show on Monday in the House, of several of the other speeches, as well as of mine. And whether its purpose, as well as that of Sir J. Graham, by his taunts, is meant to-divert the minds of the Members from the real subject before them or not, I will not now offer an opinion. For the present it will be enough for me to say, that I will read Sir P. Malcolm's letter to the House on Monday, and will avoid any comments on it, which may not be forced on me. The present Secretary to the Admiralty, adopting the principle laid down by Sir J. Graham, justifies the punish ment of Lieutenant Milner, when on half-pay, eleven years after the act imputed to him, when on full pay. In refutation of this principle, I say that Sir J. Graham himself does not act on it ; and I instanced the case of Sir P. Malcolm, because he had by report offended against the Articles of War, and was therefore similarly circumstanced with Lieutenant Milner, without being treated in a similar manner. " rremain, dear White, very sincerely yours, " E. CODRINGTON. " The expression attributed to me by the Morning Post, of Sir P. Malcolm not having spoken the truth, is a pure in vention. " E. C." " 11, Park-square, Saturday Afternoon, 5 o'clock. " Dear Codrington—l will immediately take your letter, just received, to Sir Pulteney Malcolm ; and I foresee, with very sincere pleasure, that the explanation in the House of Commons on Monday will be to the entire satisfaction of Sir Pulteney, his friends, and the service.—Truly yours, "JOHN C. WHITE." He would not make a single comment on the letter, but Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the Speaker would declare leave it entirely to the consideration of she House. He his opinion of what was necessary to be done under the cir was, however, exceedingly anxious that it should be under- cumstances, the Noble Baronet not deeming it necessary stood he bad made no reflection whatever upon Sir P. to make any apology. Malcolm. The SPEAKER said this was the first time he ever Sir JAMES GRAHAM said the House would expect knew of an Hon. Member coming down to the House with him to say a few words in reply to the Hon. and Gallant a Newspaper, and referring to reports of speeches contained Admiral who had just sat down. He would address a few in them, and endeavouring to found upon them questions words to the House in behalf of Sir Pultney Malcolm, for it applicable to the individual to whom the words were was in defence of his Gallant Friend on a former evening attributed, and which seemed to imply that that he had attempted to address the House. As he un- he was looking to ulterior purposes. That he must derstood whathad fallen from the Hon. and Gallant Admiral say extended greatly beyond anything he had ever opposite, he now retracted every charge reflecting experienced. If anything was said to which the Honour on the honour of Sir Pultney Malcolm. As he understood able and Gallant Officer wished to take exception, it ought him, he said he did not use the words which cer- to have been taken at the time.—(Hear, hear.) And tainly he (Sir James G ra h a m) h a d see n reported under these circumstances, he thought the House was generally ; and seeing them reported, relying on his recol- called upon to require from the Gallant Officer an assure lection, he thought he h a d h ear d them—(" Hear, hear," ante that no ulterior purposes were intended.—(Calls for from the Tory Benches)—but since the Hon. and Gallant Sir Edward Codrington.) Officer opposite had withdrawn them, he was bound to be- Sir E. CODRINGTON was ready to say this much, hese he did not hear them, namely, that Sir P. Malcolm that he did not hear those words. The Hon. Baronet had spoken very freely of him, and had said that which was would not deny them ; and if not, then he adopted them. not true.—(" Hear" from the same quarter.) The Gallant Sir R. INGLIS said the Hon. and Gallant Officer had Admiral had positively denied that, and after that denial he the same opportunity of hearing the words as any was quite satisfied on the assurance of the Gallant Admiral other Honourable Member. If he heard them he ought to that he did not use those words. That would be satisfac- have noticed them at the time. If he did not hear them tory to the House, sa ti s factory to t h e coun t r y, an d satis- then he (Sir R. Inglis) submitted that the discussion ought factory to his Gallant Friend. The Gallant Officer oppo- not to proceed further, the Hon. Member having stated site had said he was anxious to u ph o ld the character of the that he was not responsible for anything that might appear profession to which he belonged. There could not be a in the Newspapers.—(Loud cries of Hear, hear, hear.) more legitimate object, s ince h e was sure th e character Admiral ADAM thought it quite impossible that the o f an Admiral could not be a matter of indifference to the Hon. Baronet could have used these expressions, because re presentatives of the British people. How stood the he was not in the Admiralty at the time Sir P. Malcolm matter with regard to the two charges that had been made had been recalled. against his Gallant Friend ? First, it had been said that Sir Mr. C. W. WYNN said the Hon. Baronet was called P. Malcolm had allowed guns of the battle of Navarino to be on to say whether he adopted or denied what ap fished up and considered as prize-money. What was the peered in a Newspaper.—( Hear.) That was a call exact meanir ' r of the words prize-money ? Professional which no Hon. Gentleman had a right to make on another ; men in the House knew it perfectly—it was that all officers, and, after the speeches of threat that had been held out, the Admiral included, shared in that money. The alle- the House was entitled to call on the Gallant Officer to say gation therefore stood, that Sir P. Malcolm shared in that that be did not intend to take any ulterior steps.—(Hear.) prize-money.—(Loud cries of hear, bear.) How stood Sir R. INGLIS moved that Sir E. Codrington be called the fact as now admitted by the Gallant Officer? upon by the Chair. Whv, that the guns were fished up by certain boat's crew of There were here loud cries for Sir E. Codrington, who his Majesty's ship Asia, which was the flag-ship of the suddenly rose and said—Sir, I move the next Order of the Gallant Admiral at the battle of Navarino ; and under the Day.—(Much laughter.) authority of Sir P. Malcolm, not sharing them as prize The SPEAKER said the Hon. and Gallant Officer had money, they were divided among the boat's crew who had placed his demand on grounds that were utterly untenable, picked them up. Now as to the second charge, w hich was that as no Hon. Member ought to be held responsible for what he had employed the King's ships to convey the stores of appeared in the Newspapers. He was sure the Gallant which the house of Sir P. Malcolm was built in Greece. As Officer's own feeling would suggest to him the propriety of to the policy or impoticy of building that house, that was complying with the call of the House. beside the question. The Gallant Admiral admitted the Mr. H. PALMER said the sense of the House having correctness of what Sir P. Malcolm stated. The question been expressed, he thought the Gallant Admiral opposite was, did he build the house on speculation, and building it ought to make some further statement, and thus prevent on speculation, did he employ the King' ships to convey the Serjeant at Arms interfering. the stores ? Sir P. Malcolm said, on his honour as an officer, Mr. C. W. WYNN trusted the Hon. and Gallant Mem that he freighted a Greek brig from Malta for the purpose of ber opposite would state that he would take no further no conveying those stores. There were two exceptions to that tice of the matter, because the House had full power, and —the window-frames and doors, which were manufactured would enforce it, to prevent ulterior consequences. a t Malta with particular care and at great expense ; Mr. ROEBUCK would put it to the Right Hon. Bare' and Captain Lyons, of his Majesty's ship Illadagas- net, whether it would not be better to do that which would car, seeing them about to be embarked with the allay any ill feelings that might arise out of the debate, other public stores in the Greek brig, said, that, in —namely, answer the question put. order to take greater care of them, he would convey Mr. WOOD thought the Gallant Admiral had putt them in the frigate, and Captain Lyons, as a mark of good- question in a way that the Right Honourable Gentleman will to his Admiral, conveyed them in his own cabin. was bound to answer. If he stood in the situation He had now gone through two public charges, and he had the Right Hon. Baronet, he believed he would sayA t t answered them. Having d one so h e did no t w ish to resume the Gallant. Admiral behind him had not attempted to any thing of the angry tone of the debate of the other night, whisper away the character of Sir P. Malcolm.—(Cheers.) but after what had passed, considering the high character of After a considerable discussion whether both Hon. Mena- Sir P. Malcolm, considering how precious the character hers should not be taken into custody, of such a man must be, he could not allow even Mr. D. W. HARVEY observed that strangers were in. a slur to be cast upon it without observation. He would the gallery. now call time attention of the House to who this highly Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. talented officer was. Much had been said both in and out During the exclusion of strangers from the gallery, of that House of officers being raised through the interest lengthened discussion took place, of which the following we of friends and connections : such, however, was not the case believe, to be a correct summary. with Sir Pultney Malcolm. He was the son of a humble Mr. WYNN said the question was, whether there was e ver sheep farmer, and had won his fame, as his brother also had a case in which the House had exercised its power to com pel an f explanation, d or to insist on the recal of that used on a s done, without the aid of powerful friends. He had risen to the r a o t u t n h cl e , ti v in iz e ., ? an explanation honour honours of his profession by his own exertions, and his should rm always y ' an b l e demanded a tiis n d g till the other night had never even been questioned ; Lord JOHN RUSSELL—If the Right Hon. Baronet had he enjoyed a spotless reputation, and possessed the friendship refused to adopt or deny the language of a former debate, then not only of the great men that were at present in existence, but the Right Hon. Gentleman was right. But the Right Hon. of those who had departed. He was the comrade in arms of Member appeared to forget that the Right Hon. Member for the gallant Nelson, and in the last action in which that great Cumberland (Sir J. Graham) had adopted the correctness of man was engaged, he commanded a ship called the Happy the words used to-night. Donegal. He had the friendship of the first General of The question was then put, that Sir Edward Codrington be the day (the Duke of Wellington). He had the honour committed to the custody of the Sergeant-at-Arms. of conveying in the ship under his command the hero of Mr. JERVIS stated that it had been moved by the Hon. N s f i e r m j b a e m r e fo s r G ß ra rLdgew b ater, that .t S d ir y r dw t r e d ref Codrington s :t: Assaye.—(Hear, hear.) At the special desire of the Wi t r e Edward Duke of Wellington, the flag of Sir Pultney Malcolm was was now to be Graham be e tl e m e t m flying at Ostend, when the destinies of the convulsed world odri o o re, to t n he question was mitted, then he (Mr. Jervis) should move the Codrington be of were decided in the field of Waterloo. As a conqueror, he the debate. became the friend of the conquered. His flag wasat St. Helena Upon the Speaker putting the question of adjournment, during the time Napoleon was there ; and by the cordiality of Sir ROBERT INGLIS rose, and claimed precedence to his disposition and manners, he not only obtained the confi- a motion of his, namely, that Sir Edward Codrington be called donee but won the affections of that great man, who in his upon to explain. last moments acknowledged his kindness and generosity. Sir E. KNATCHBULL objected to the adjournment. He trusted the discussion, whatever other effect it would that it would leave the Hon. Members free to take that course P have, would leave the honour of Sir P. Malcolm untar- which it was the unanimous wish of the House to prevent. In nisbed by anything that had taken place.—(Cheers.) So the event of the question being carried, there was nothing to much for what related to Sir P. Malcolm and something prevent hostile proceedings. He believed he was correct a , sai o att l t ie first mation of hoste p' had fallen from the Gallant Officer relative to himself' ceeded t f h rm .he Gallant Admiral.—( il Dissent roceedin fro gs m Si had r E. It did so happen that lie (Sir James Graham) was not pre- Codrington.) If, therefore, the Gallant Admiral would sa; sent during any part of the discussion, until within a minute tisfy the House on this point, then his Right Hon. Friend of the close of the speech of the Gallant Admiral. No could rise and remove all apprehension on his part. sooner had he taken his seat on that bench than the Mr. JERVIS saw the consequence of persisting in his Gallant Officer opened a sharp fire on him and introduced amendment would be as was stated by the Right Honourable that subject, and without any premeditation or a moment's Member for Kent, and he should, therefore, withdraw it. reflection, he had been compelled to rise and answer the Amendment withdrawn. Gallant Admiral. Now he spoke under the correction of L o rd J. RUSSELL said, as an Hon. Friend of his had the Speaker, who if he had stated anything contrary to the said, the Right Hon. G h e e ntl la e s mar c i bad b admitted the rinareicrtai rules of the House would have checked and corrected him ; ness wns of thereforet report entitled of t to asktwheetter, the use Gallantany expres; and certainly the Speaker had never found him unwilling : sions derogatory to the character of the Gallant Admiral' to obey his authority. If even the Speaker had omitted From frequent experience, when matters of this descriptio n to check him, he would have been called to order by the came before the House, it was necessary to take them uP' Members on the other side. The Gallant Officer had not Some explanation the Noble Lord apprehended must be give' interrupted him on Thursday—he had seen him in his place Sir J. GRAHAM thought that the selection of a p ara graph on Friday, and had not asked for any explanation, and at from a report some days afterwards , and then putting it s ate that moment he could not state the precise words he had g o r i c all y t o hi m , d i d you say so and so , was in violation 01 used. Speaking generally, he should say that the reports the rules of the House, which he felt it his duty to maintain' in the Morning Papers were accurate, but he thought they He would strain a point to prevent misunderstanding, but t o had given him a much better speech than he (Sir J. Gra- this occasion he entertained so strong an opinion of the 0 1_ ham) was able to make. He had nothing to retract— rectness of the course he was taking, that he felt bound to ct the proposal of the Noble Lord. If he felt bound to re' nothing to withdraw—he had not violated any of the rules i ect the fir r s e t p proposal, it was the more necessary to reject th at of the House ; and he therefore felt that he had nothing to now made. - - explain.—(Cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL did not think there was anything de- Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON hoped that the rogatory in his proposal, either to the Right Hon. Gentleman cheers which had attended the speech of the Honour- or the Gallant Admiral. But if all explanation were refused' able Baronet having then subsided, the House would allow then it would appear that there was no alternative but to Pr e " him to give some explanation of the matter ; he had ceed with the motion. endeavoured to be as mild as possible to Sir Pultney Mr. POULTER and Mr. PRYME said a few words. , Malcolm, believing, as he did, his word of honour. Lord STANLEY hoped that he should be able to ' atoll s the House and the Gallant Admiral. He could, be thoug.„' He had stated that most distinctly, and he cared meet one difficulty. He believed, indeed, he could state frc'''' not for the sneers or cheers of the opposite side. his own knowledge . , that his Right Hon. Friend did n ot stl" He was bound to say that the Hon. Baronet had made persede the Gallant Admiral on the grounds stated in t ilt ' some most gross allusions, which he ought not to have Report. a done.—(Hear, hear.) Being then at the head of the Mr. CURTEIS said that the Gallant Admiral, who h ad Admiralty, he ought to have known the Asia sever s h run k f rom d anger , even w h e n can non balls ma rt ' came to England, and half her crew drafted. State- rattling around him like hailstones, should at once yield to and ments were made to him by the people who had served course the House dictated. be under him in the battle, that others who had not Sir E. CODRINGTON then rose and said, that a, T 9 been in the battle had shared the money as p r iz e - understood the Speaker had decided that the Right ti°o( money. He then corrected the statement, believing, as Member for Cumberland could not, according to the rules.ho he did, the word of Sir P. Malcolm. Did it then the House, answe r his interro g ator y , and as he heard that ;elf words alluded to had not been used, he should place hi m ai become the Honourable Baronet to taunt him in in the hands of the House and fulfil its pleasure. He felt ve er such a manner as he had done ? The Honourable strong l y— h ar dl y too strongly, he thought—for the honour: °e. Baronet had not directly answered the question which had an o ffi cer o f t h e navy ought not to be suspected. Not been put to him. He would then di s ti nc tly as k him—had would ever induce him, no pains, no penalties, nothing that t aio he used the words imputed to him or not He would H ouse cou ld d o , to su b m i t to t h e s li g ht es t i m p u t a tion on P read them again. honour. Saying this, he should the ouse. vi ee' The SPEAKER understood that exceptions were taken The SPEAKER trusted that thediscusson would Ile d i e to particular expressions used by the Hon. Baronet ; if minate to the satisfaction of the Gallant Admiral an" 0 ., such was the case, they ought to have been taken at the House. No one could hold any Member responsible feli ot i. moment. p re s si o ns used in d e bate. He believed he stated the semi, Sir E. CODRINGTON scarcely understood the posi- ments of the House when he said that as the discussion inated it► be satisfactory to all arties. _ b i e c , tion in which he stood. The Hon. Baronet had spoken ge- S ter Sir JAMES must p GRAHAM stated that he had then no to nerally, but he had not at all answered the question. What he (Sir E. Codrington) wanted to know was, whether t h i i o m n . to say that he had not made use of the words attrib ute e c ‘' he had made use of these words or not. Th e r e p or t stated Motion was then by leave withdrawn, and the su b j him to have said that "he (the Honourable Baronet) did dropped. not listen to insinuations and charges made in the way those against Sir P. Malcolm were," &c. He (Sir Edward Codrington) had a character at stake as well as Sir P. Malcolm ; and he hoped the House would allow him to explain the whole matter ; for in a subsequent part of the report the Hon. Baronet was made to say that he (Sir E. Codrington) had been superseded in the command of the channel fleet by Sir P. Malcolm, and that the Honourable Baronet had so superseded him on account of these insinuations.—(Hear.) He wished to ask him whether he had so superseded him on the grounds so stated ? He put a direct question, and, not withstanding the cheerers, he trusted the Right Hon. Ba ronet would give a direct answer. Sir JAMES GRAHAM was not answerable for any of the reports which appeared in the Newspapers. The Gallant Officer was present, he heard the statement, and had an opportunity then of asking for an explanation. Notwith standing all his respect for the House, he firmly but most respectfully refused now to give any explanation of the words used by him. Sir CHARLES ADAM having been referred to so directly, felt bound to say, that many of the words attri buted to him, in the report alluded to, had never been uttered• by him. Captain DUNDAS considered, after what had taken place, the Hon. Baronet opposite was bound to give some explanation of the language used by him. Had there been any attempt to whisper away the character of Sir P. Malcolm for three years, he must have heard of it, and he would have been the first to call for an explanation from the Gallant Admiral. Sir J. BERESFORD thought that charge was the best eulogy on Sir P. Malcolm, CANADA. On our return to the gallery we found Mr. ROEBUCK asking Lord John Russell witethe r : it a te his Lordship's intention to bring forward the adjourned dythig on the subject of Lower Canada the first thing to-rrAorro W day e n d - Lord J. RUSSELL said, that whether the adieurnd bate'would come on to-morrow (Tuesday) entirely deP o .roll upon those Hon. Members who had notices for tni3Osi" giving way and consenting to being them on on li ° iv or - He would endeavour to bring on the adjourned debate Wo-tices row ; it was his intention, at all events, after these ° L ove r should be disposed of, that the resolutions relating to Canada should be the first business of the night. o l eo' Mr. LEADER was und ers t oo d t o give not i ce that wove ever the debate should com e on , it was his intention to order' that the discussion should be postponed for six months, ~i n„ t• tad that time might be given fur an amicable adjustme"an-ap,, questions in dispute between this country and Lower C aisT SUPPLY. A 30-a The Order of the Day having been read, I,llr- r e RUSSELL moved that the Ordnance Estimates beAg to a Committee of Supply.—Agreed to. Cha ir The question that the Speaker do leave th e, then put. AFFAIRS OF SPAIN. ve er Sir HENRY HARDING E did - not feel that it 1 05 till nary for him to apologise to the House for occupying It o in calling its attention to the state of affairs in the '6' o verl'' Spain, and also to the manlier in which his Majestys mlt ly o h e' merit was involved in the transactions that had rec— ty e curred there. Ile would not discuss the question 5 , 01 4 4 : propriety or impropriety of entering into the _c Quadr!kos Treaty, or of the additi o nal articles to that treaty, Member , I, ''.,,berr his Noble Friend the ember for Hertford , a nd other 111ritioll on that side of th e House, had already ca lled th? tOsi of the flouso to the subject with much greater übill