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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. FRIDAY, M. 8. LORDS LANDAIT and HER a FORD were sworn and took their seats. • Counsel were heard at great length relative to the . Appeal Callac—Glover u. Glover. Judgment post poned till Monday. The !ills upon the table were forwarded. The further proceedings in the Committee of Privileges on the claim to the.Rous Peerage, were rostponed froin Tuesday to Thursday nexto—Ad. journed till Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. FRIDAY, FEB. S. Mr. fitonmsdr, from the Office of the Commis. sioners for the Redtidior of the National Debt, presented the Annual Account of these Commis. . sioners for the last year. Sir W. YouriG, to chew the value of the Wert India Trade, preparatory to the discussion of Mr. WI wit titiOaCt'S Motion, moved, That there be laid before the House an Account of the quantity of Raw. Sugar, *ported, and the Refined Sugar ex. ported, and the amount of 'Duties paid thereon in the year ending ph January, 18o5; also an Ac. count of the quantity of Rum imported and exported in the same period, with the amount of the Duties thereon ; an Account of the amount of British Ma. nufatures exported to the West India Colonies ; sod an Account of the number of Ships, and their Tonnage, -*employed. in this Trade,. di!,tinguishttPg the Ports."-.-Ordered, • The Mutiny Bill was read a second 0;14, and ordered tw be committed on Monday. The SecaltAltY at VAk gave notice, that in consequence of an application that had be made to it was his intention to move, io the Commit, tee, for the Amendment of a Clause introduced into the Bill; a few years ago, relative to the carritgc on Canals. This Clause was at first intended to per:. mit the carriage of baggage toll free, in removing troops,from one place to another. It was, however, in some instances construed to warrant the free passage of ordnance stores, which would be a great oppression ; and it would be the objed of his Amendment to remedy this error. Mr. Ross brought in a Bill for enabling the Greet!lansl Whalers to complete their crews. Itsi l d a first time, and ordered to be read a second tune on Monday. The Exchequer Bills Bill Wdll , reici a third time and passed. Mr. ALexANnita. repotted from the Committee on the Loyalty Loan. Leave was given to bring in a Bill conformably to the Resolutions. JUDGE JOHNSON. afr. JAMES FITZGERALD, in consequence of the determination of the Court of King's Bench in Irelind, on the construdion of the Alt passed in the fast Session, for the more easy trial of of. fenders escaping heart one part of the United King. dom to another, in which determination the cow.' strudion had been established by the opinion of two Judges against that of one ; in consequence also of the great agitation tha t 14.4, t imscilmr*Ist tit sti; entsmattestonstati.'oitiV t -ei stir c of the Gentlemen of the Irish liar, who, if they did not conor with him, would have abandoned all that independence of judgment, and all chore sound principles of law and reason of which they had ever br..en so honourably tenacious, felt it his duty to call the attention of the House to the provisions of the Act in question, which so flagrantly called for Amendment in the point he alluded to. He should have felt it his duty to give notice of a particular Motion on this head,,if he did not think the Amend. men; would come better from the quarter in which the Aft had originated. He trusted the Hon. 'and Learned author of the Aft would offer such Amend. talent as would be best calculated to preserve the spirit of the Alt, and at the same time to remove every thing that could give rise to such unjust con. sttuflon. The ATTORNEY-GENT!! 4L had no difficulty in allowing that the At required Amendment in some points, At the same time he doubted, whew then the Amendments he thought it requireil were she same that were wished for by the Hon. Gentle. man, for he knew of no Amendments that were ten. Acted necessary by the proceedings in that Court, nor did he think it right, in the present state of those proceedings, to prejudice the discussion of the ease now before the COlitt3, by a Parthirneimry dc. claration of the sense of the House upon the con. struiftion of the At. Air.GaRALD said, that according to his view of the justice of the ease, the person taken up should be at liberty to give bail where the ar rest took place, for. his appearance where the offenc e was committed. It could never have been the intention of the framer of the Aft, that a person .arrested in Ireland, ful-a bailable offence entemitted In Engl an d, should he brought to the place where the offence was committed without beingallowed to give bail; err, that a person arrested in England for an riffincs committed in Ireland, should bq conveyed to that Country without ay/41in? himself of the lege! mode . of liberation till the time of tri4l. The AT eostesy Guisur., in explanation, agreed perfectly, that t h e evil complained of by the Learned Gentleman had never been in his con. templation„ The provisions of the Aft of last See. sion had been copied front the At of t Geo. 111. between England and Scotland, in which the defeet Lad nut been noticed until the occurrence now ht— hided to had discovered it in both. ARRESTS FOR TREASON IN IRELAND. \i r, ITAGett4t,t) proposed to move for an he. count of 811 Pet3ons imprisoned in Ireland for 'flea sui;;ibit4 Charges, together with the causes of their ..Atrebrs, their means of subsistentic while in prison, in:d how and when such of them as bad been liber, died were dischatged.. in Answer to Sir EVAN Ns.' erAu, who e:lrincssed a difficulty iof stating Patti. the or emeruitment, lest it should Li - awvery of the chanovis thrtacgh whio t;, , overritnent had its inform:l:ion, Mr. AViTz a: it ft ALD he vvielittf inctely to know generally the ascertaining how the Government of Ireland had executed the AE}, the renewal of which was to be this night moved; whether it deserved the•charao. ter of moderation that was claimed for it by some, or the imputations of severil that was cast on it by others—an elucidation which the Right lion, Baro. net' ought to wish for as much as he. The Motion being cleared of some superfluous %voids, on the suggestion of the CH ANCELLoR of the EXCHIQUER, 56 as to comprehend only persons corn. mitted for State offences under the Aft for the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus, the general cause of their commitment, together 'with the time of their discharge, Mr. FiTzriERALID gave notice that he would put the Question on it on Monday. Mr. WINDHAM, as the Budget could not be post. poned, gave notice, that he, would brink forward his Motion on the State of the Army on Thursday se'n. night. He said, the delay now proposed .was the only one that had arisen from him, of the various delays this Motion had undergone, in consequence of the pawky of the discussion of the affairs with Spain. He hoped it would not be put off further. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would have been extremely happy to post ponethe Bud. get, if it were not desirable that it should be brought forward with very little delay, which could not be if it were put off from Monday, the succeeding Wed. nesday being the Fast Day. He took this occasion of 'suggesting the • propriety of putting off the dig. cussiun of the question relating to the Middlesex . Elation, which stood for Tuesday, as it would be inconvenient to discuss it on the night after the pro• bable late sitt;tig of the night preceding: The Order fixing the discussion of the Middlesex Eieetion for Tuesday was discharged, and a new Order made for Thursday. The SECRETARY at WAR, in answer to a question f r o m Mr. WINDHAM ! stated, that the 300 Boys mentioned in one of 'the Recruiting Accounts presente d ia 3t wee k, ware part of the Soo which the particular Levy amounted to. Sir Jour; AWDERSON presented a Petition froM the l louse of Gore and Co. praying to be indemnified for a loss, amounting to 35,0c01. on a quanti t y o f Herrings purchased by 'them in Sweden, for the re. lief of the people here, in the scarcity of t Sod, and detained in Sweden, by the embargo, in come. quince of the dispute with the Northern Powers. The CHANCILLoR of the EXCHEQU aP. gave the recommendation of the Crown to bring the merits of the ease before the. House, vithouLpledging himself to support the application. The Petition was re. 'erred to a Committee. SUSPENSION OF THE lIAIIEUS CORPUS ACT IN IRELAND, • Sir EPA N NEPE AN, in consequence of a notice given yecterday, rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill for the further continuance of the MI of 43 Gen. 111. for the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus ACt in Ireland. The .continuation was rendered necessary by the existence of disafreetion, in a con. siderable degree, in Ireland; by the avoweddetermi,. nation of the Enemy to invade that Country, and the preparations notorbusly made for that Inva. sion ; try the fatft . of the collefflon and association of a number of Irishmen with the Forces designed for that purpose, an the aBnal sitting of a Committee of United Irishmen at Paris, corresponding with the tJnite . d 44 tes t bon; - ntc An now in force was to expire in six weeks after the commencement of the present Session. He would, according to precedent, move for leave to bring in a Bill to continue it fur. ther till six weeks after the commencement of the next Session. Sir. .70 B N NEWPORT did exped that in rising to move for the continuation of the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus Aft, the Hun. Baronet would have laid some ground for such a measure. If the exist. enee of Committees of United Irishmen at Paris, or of persons calling themselves such,were to be a justifiable cause for ati Aft of Parliament like this, we would have to look for the continuance of the Suspension of, the. Habeas Corpus Aft t h roug h out the whole du. ration of the w ar; for if the exi stence, or pretended existence, of Committees of United Irishmen at Paris was sufficient to drive us to the relinquishment of our dearest rights, would not the Enemy have a continued interest in colleCting such Committees, or pretending they were collet-led, if it were only for the purpose of exciting jealousy 'among, and depriv. ing the people of the most invaluable part of its liberties, and depriving the Crown of the attach.. . meta and support of a ,great part of the people ? He did not deny that 'sortie degree of disaffec tion may exist in Ireland ; possibly sufficient to warrant this applicatitm.. But he did say, that there was no evidence of that disaffedion before the House, and of course there was no good ground for this appli cat i on. It was necessary to prove to the people of Ireland, a n d to est a bli s h in their : minds, that the imperial Parliament would not cause_ lesslY invade its rights ; that the same Care weuld be taken not to deprive it of the coma. tutional James of its liberties as Would be bestowed on , the people of England itself. The grounds on w hi c h the H ouse wou ld cons e nt to sanction such a privation ought to be great indeed. Islo would vq, that with respect to Ireland, 9r North Britain, they ought even to be greater than them with tespeti to England; and the granting such ex. traordinary powers in those parts of the empire ought to be most narrowly looked to, for great powers exercised at a great distance were more liable to he abused than when they were under the immediate inspettion and contreol of Parlia. ment. Instances had already been laid before the House of such powers being stretched, when the exercise of them was remote from examination. He therefore thought the House should not grant such powers when there was no ground laid. Nay, even the ground which was laid, by the movers of the proposition was adverse to it. For when he. looked back to the extraordinary circumstances with which the motion was introtinced, he could not help thinking, that it was matter of doubt with the Honourable Gentlemen themselves whether the Suspension should be renewed ; First , above .4 . week since notice had been given of the intention to move: fur the renewal. Two days after, this notice was expressly abandoned. He asked, why WkIS the proposition Of renewal first beought fur. ward ? having ken brought forward,. why was 1.41 , / 11. vccn auaIIUISDCLI, Wily was it brought at all ? He asked whether a measure of this kind, which was to be justified only by una v oid. able necessity, which was htistile and danger. ous to the vital principles of the Constitution, should, without sufficient cause, be put upon a country, the greater part of whose people was, as well affeeted to the Government as the English themselves t He conceived that this justification of 30 h4rsh a measure was particularly due to the people of Ulster, who were particularly, remarkable fur loyalty and attachment to the British Constitution and Bri. tish Connexion ; but who were at the same time a strong minded people, not likely to be satisfied with a measure of this nature, unless sufficient cause for it were shewn to them. He should, therefore, conclude with moving, as an Amendment to the Motion, the omission of the latter part of the Mo. Lion, from the word that;' for the purpose of in. setting these words, " that a Committee, consisting of twenty.one Members, be funned by ballot, to examine such documents as may be laid before them, and to report to that House their opinion upon these documents, whether the continuance of the Suspen. aion of the Habeas Corpus At be a measure neces. sary to the tranquillity of Ireland, at the present time." Mr. DENIS BROWNE agreed, that the greater part of the People of Ireland were altogether as loyal as the People of this COuntry ; but the cir. cumstances in which Ireland stood at present were distinti from those of. any for Mer time.. It wa s not alone the machinations of Committees pf United Irishmen sitting in Paris, that were to bk .v g,ktpre.,, hended and guarded against, but multituds !limn distributed along the whole Coast of the French, Empire, prepared for invasion, communicating with, the disaffeeted • at home, and Sending emissaries be. fore them to excite preparations, -discontent, Ind insurrettion among the people. Under these cir_ eumstances, it was prudent and necessary to coml. nue the Suspension ; and not to endanger the Con.. stitution. by exposing it, with unguarded confidence,' to the attacks of those who would take shelter be. hind it for the purpose of destroying it. It was well known, that hired Emissaries from France had come to Leland with the treasonable designs of exciting cltsaffedion, and conveying information. His great objet in supporting the measure now pro., posed was to prevent these wretches from pro s ecut. ing their infamous purposes. Mr. HUTCHINSON .deplored the . necessity which he supposed the Government felt of proposing so very strong a measure, without a full and pre vious explanation of t h e groun d s on w hich it was demanded. If the necessity was shewn, he was sure no person would differ from them in a moment like the present. He would not, however, refuse his assent because the necessity was not shewn. He wished to call the attention of Ministers to the full consideration of the state of Ireland, as he had . repeatedly endeavoured to do before. was, therefore, prep - aced to give them the most ample support they could desire ; though,there existed no disturbance, nor apprehension of cliatra4lion,.. to:pre vent their looki ng i nto the whole "state and syktecri of the country with a view to that .gentralameliora.. lion which was so much required. It was in the hope,,and with t h e d es i gn , t h at no local troubles, no partial disalleaion, should call - 11177/ . 7CSTy 3 ....auLim,.• aora the consideration that Ireland at large demanded and deserved of it, that he supported this measure, which was particularly necessary in a •tvar present. He lamented again that it %V;IA not advin. able to state the grounds on Which tlic reneWal of the Susp ens i on was asked, as they must be secrets of State ; and when he acceded to the measure, he hoped and trusted His Majesty's Ministers would. turn their serious attention to the state of Ireland at large. Sir JOHN STUART lamented that melancholy experience afforded ample proof of the necessity of the Measure. He was himself the Representative of a r Co i ta u i nz as an dsincerelye British attached c a ons ti s t n a t n i o y n o Ireland. to a sure was called for by the loyal part of the people for protection against the machinati ons of their the security disffea and ed. It was nut now. prudent or de_ sirable to go through all the cireurniKinces .Which rendered such a measure necessary in a Coons. try. just freed from one Rebellion which had succeeded to another, and in which this Bill, Wfroeualle p r i n cipal support o f t h e l oya l an d well was a l so 846sta:tory to have an aSSU . r. a t a b . e the lt ante frotis experience, that the poW ets i t gave would not he abused. kle knew, the. Noblemanak the head of the Irish Government, iirui had op. portunities of seeing that he inherited from, his it- lustrious ancestors a zealous attachment to the Con. stitution. He had, in fait, contleded himself - in such a manner throughout, the whole course of his government, that there was not a man in the -Coon_ try who had not the fulleat confidence that he would not abuse any power entrusted to him. With re- spat to grounds to be laid by Government from the information that had reached it,. fie-had to sad(, that while tie was in offiee-in--trelandlas. GENERAL), information had been given by'veisons connetted with the disafFeCted ; and that the ex. posing to public view the channels through ' , which this information had been obtained, would have the elle& to deprive Government of the sources of fu. tore discOveries, and to expose the persons who had I made the communication to the knife of the assns. sin. The nutnbers confined at present were hut few ; and from the knowledge he himself bad of some of them, they were, justly detained. If a n investigation could with: ptudence be grunted, he had nodoubt it would 'establish the necessity for the support and defence of the loyal. Air. IVINDII4III rose to offer a few nlr vo. tions upon this Motion, which it was impossible for hhia to let pass without comment. The Honourable Baronet had shown no neces s ity wha t soever be accededlittsoeverfor to a propositi on w hi c h could not possibly without some reasonable ground. 'He had himself supported the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus on former occasions ; but he hod never supported it without strong reason. The House ii - 44 more than once voted such a Stispension, but never Witho ut esxt7tignga." CHleearsghor°uuldnthbel.44solYirllyr°`ivted''%;6'or vote notoriously without such grounds. NOw it . stimed as if ii.wa s to pats as a ntattcuoreautic i as a Land and. Mdit Bill, to be voted every Session being said upon it. . It was extraordinary too, that the arguments offered_ in support of the mu. sure bore most strongly against it. The fi rst wit in fact th e ver y worst that -could be thought of. For if the existence of an Irish Committee in Paris, or the Government here being credulous enough t c: - -believe th at suc h a C omm i tte e existed, ws 3 °" i occasions to be sufficient grounds for suspend in g the Habeas Corp us , t h e Suspension would continue, It, the Hon. Baronet v.ery justly said, constantly ing the War, and even perhaps in the time of Peac e' and the bar e ex i stence o f suc h a Committee m a y 0 6 . n w t f a ht d at e lte . atpn:gimsreopluil Empire. T he o s f uT a c clo similar umims t Suspension iitotne c Iv,a s not,in every ho we pat t: h neded - with theta; intended, [put whator i ttll)es; 0011 prod isaffe4llo and, but their ue s Corp cvas n `' rthat tndc y letieff: t at o 'Snu(s" i i ; l r Pt e tefi v n' e ln: i :ir , i° t :tinst r : l i t oolj e n n ii6rn- t at . gt etewl ‘ li li alin' ' lta a art s Cbr t eoe l audl l til e }' wished cessa itution be stopped,.and ser going, in this manner, its hY pedal ? 'When it w as as k e d why this extruw a l r : . power was call e d f or , i t was answered, no t 61t " there were disturbances in Ireland ; not th at it was o necessary the better to repel invasion; hut t hat the.l were Committees of United Irishmen sit ting at anal that there were mischievous people in Ireland. J 3% the question was not, s e h at e i t her Of these deseriPti°L of person s wished to ; but what the others Cal°, with them. None of those who spoke tot the M' tw o f would give tip the' point of the general PP!' e -• the people : all• contended, that the WO °l i b, the people-were loyal, but that there wete orn e r --- chievous persons ; • and 'so there were here in li o l t land. Bot he would ask, whether the miscit ieft , o ' s may, be produced by these Committees, or these' terials, in Ireland, was such 'as to render it t orto t i le ' to deprive all Ireland of the Isfaheas Corpus]es. Suspension of which maybe followed With o ther r ' nl y sures of a stilllmore odious nature'? And t he l jbe reason Why this broad and unquali fi ed power s it ", to given was, that from the charader of the refs, at 3 ' ti whom it was to be entrusted, it was not 1 : 1 0 Y E il be abused. In a free country s uch a 3 this wet he _hoped always would be, the introduetion'or.th bitter) , • power ought to be guarded again s t the strictest jealousy : v a st .and extraorditt:4 powers ought not to be delegated 'merely bee! some mischievous persons were taken • nft, tm the persons to Whom the power . was t° 1 10 trusted for the present were of Ognild and rn t ' e n ,' l ,4 disposition. If the Government was to b e ' A t • -- it with extraordinary powers, which it waf should when the country wished it for its a lv f c al curity, it was necessary the danger shoidil.`o such an extent as to impress on everY w i ns6 ,,i4aof the propriety of giving s uch powers. It 3 """ awl 'be said, that no ground should be stated, 'l est 'f ro st may be danger of discovering the sour"' routs ' which the information was derived. Th e which would justify the putting the Cou nfr Y u t . uff , Martial Law could not be of such a secre t r 1 , 3:, t o The extent and magnitude of it must IA su e '`; et .' if cb it : nsawepciar. proposed p tt obviated h o gi s °e ed 'ke i b r y ill t ) b h , cikeyi ..ldbe iu m ß 3l o d a T de t ww . e s o i vt i t le r ) r i j a' r N a ans r * i n r r :s n ' t ?w r r ; e1 :; 1 , 1 'He tecollefted alit) that an Hon. FL-tend of 111 „' 4 4, rtviaiu irstortO Cali CH M SO (WU. 4 ; 1 in in.ivieg the Address to His Majesty drew ', 4 / 4: ].. flattering pidure: of. the tranquillity of Irele"'„ , Was,it not extraordinary, that without any having happened since to do away the circa of t u l o 3 White ,without .any explanation ' to render,oa : h4 colouring alit less strong, the Representative °L Irish Government suddenly started up, and wit ,' .l O, assigning any reason, proposed to suspend the Dol o ; Constitution in.lreland. He agreed . with th e t st Baronet (Sir J. Nawioar); that we ought tour' - re, tender in granting extraordinary lowers e p . I sped to Ireland and Scotland; not only as puvd er , ic a crcised at a distance from controul and insPe' bif al was' more,liable to be abused, but also beeause '! was an obligation of honour and consciOusn eqs delicate in granting powers, the weight . 0i tv, e` , o ld . would fall excursively on others, while 011 not touch. ourselves. The - declarations, of °n-cf,is two Gentlemen, howeier resPeCtable, was 1) ;ial ground on which the House ought J o' he 5-111- 'of the necessity of a measure of this rult ur `!,.i . 4 larger justification ought to be given - for ,cof so.lar.ge a . OPnfir4idi)ni4°lLe g iiisspitCuroensatni<tiuiri: i nli:` ;1; 1 f t - it : tit--a confidence which deserved a care a'ritlgar.,..l-; very for e ign to such monstrous f r i The' CHANCELtOR or EXC1 1 1 700 1 , , , 1. - rolA • • was destrous, tn.. e v ery that' concerne" to - give way. to. the Ge nt l emen conn e6ted to t t ii, a s Country. . -Bat he differed entirely from aOO, l Gentleman tat ( Tn P° ;o it p i os ( s N i i b r le . N c V as i e N commons. agree .to the Soanension of 1 11 -e `: f 111 tak e i C g ,i r:ta e r t fi e i n u . d i s i - o t 7n 'i t l :w a i :h t w eh e a t . e I . s i p e P o e- - t 'c S i ti li s 6 pe — n e s x i l;nl on i l' o a ' t a i : l3 of;no avail ; if it was, r i b: w pr a i s r7 ,6 lp r i e e Wat 10. les sh a g r eat pit of 1114 gur n ,: 14 4 tiring the last . Vv - ar, r II4I d e t i t 1 e 11 411‘ c_orrett with hiM - depatting from. 0 1 ; ' Gentleman did not now conten d t h a t - ;: ja to amm n o :.; t r i i4 t l e s i n s t ° a nt t ui e tt rt e t r e: i t a i br i ll : ° . e t n . e l. n ha M t' a r d i;lt e e , 7 tiFi'fFetauht6t on. cll-111111,Tj'i: I ttlf"ed to s atisfy the min& of Gentler:tot °' tto' e e s 'itY of the 111,:dsote. I titi sChir ' i dr 1 It was pea- • arose wnere tne statement eras s hort se i it was simple, that 110 sta tement was OPP°,l:Ski have b e en made where th eie vieit i l : ; doted because the Fitts were o bvii.o.;Avbc" : ' lll 4tiOn Was laid because public nut leir ' n ot all information supeiflu sus. The cif toni t . s ,4 o o o ; 0 wliCh w e were placed Stipplit'd pro ,4 tion in abund ance to t h e m i n d of ever,y nj i se were at War with a P o wer which :time" clr (bur dash strudion of t he w h o l e B r i t ish Entrir e i . , l 00', and particularly, to ina;t a daJcily that part of she Empire which was ieCt fi rst to St:VCt, anti itren to convert lr jer 'ittiiint!nt to. sink and d estro y t he fabric. The first step tt)WAtirS this t he of xi.eatruttibn Was to be the Invaii°"' ea r 1 and rn t‘erials of • which were prePar-t ° on unrernittinly, and acted With It Ul 111 I) f