The Sun. — London, England, 1837-06-16 00:00:00

yet it is difficult to account for the systematic slander' of the Duchess of Kent, and the studied preparation of the article of yesterday, on any principle of Lpere caprice on the part of the conductors of. the 'nut's. If the Tories can only "succeed in their views by in stigating to a course of conduct which must revolt every person of feeling or delicacy throughout the country, they are hardly to be envied. Their organ has yesterday proved, that within the lo..vest deep there is still a lower deep, and that its powers of exciting disgust, which have ere now been often tasked, are such as almost to defy calculation.—Morning Chrouicle. A subject of deep and affecting interest, was last night brought under the consideration of the House of Commons by Mr. Gaily Knight, who moved for a Committee to inquire into the state and management of the Hanwell Lunatic Asylum. The Hon. Member, in prefacing his motion, made several statements in culpatory of the mode in which the Asylum is con ducted, and contrasted the small number of cures which bad been effected in it with those in other similar in stitutions throughout the kingdom. According to the Hon. Member's statements, out of 1,216 patients, only 260 were reported as cured, and even of these several were twice reported, being cases of relapse, pre viously returned as cured, some of which are even at present in the Asylum, suffering under the malady. Lord John Russell recommended the Hon. Member to withdraw his motion, and move that a Committee might be appointed to inquire into the state of all the Lunatic Asylums of England, as it would be in vidious to select one for scrutiny, when others might equally require an investigation into their management. In the propriety of this suggestion we perfectly concur, and would strongly recommend its adoption ; for, though Mr. Knight made out a strong case against the Hanwell Asylum, there may be others equally open to censure, and a subject demanding general inquiry should not be met by a proposition for a partial inves tigation. The motion was negatived without a divi sion ; and had it been otherwise, from the advanced state of the Session, the multiplicity of business pend ing in a most unsatisfactory position, the collision of parties, and the imminent probability of an event which will limit the duration of the present House of Commons, it could scarcely be expected that, for the present, any practical object could be attained by pursuing the sub ject.—Morning Advertiser. We may congratulate our readers on a result at which we have long aimed. The route by steam to India through Egypt, which we have so long advo cated, has at length received the sanction of Govern ment ; the Euphrates route is found to be impractica ble, as we always contended that it would ; and im mediate measures for carrying the Red Sea route into practical operation are about to be adopted. Mr. Mullins has this night a notice on the Order Book —" for a Select Committee on the subject of steam communication by way of the Red Sea." We ap prehend that the notice will now be rendered unneces sary, as it is virtually superseded by the statement made on Saturday to the House of Commons by Sir John Cam Hobhouse, on the occasion of Lord Wil liam Bentinck moving for a Select Committee, to inquire into the practicability of effecting a steam communication with India. The Right Hon. Pre sident of the India Board -assented to Lord William Bentinck's motion, and the Committee was accord ingly appointed. Sir J. C. Hobhouso stated, that there had been arrangements made by the Government respecting a monthly steam communication by means of the Red Sea ; but, he added, that if he agreed to the appointment of a Committee it should be on the ' understanding that it should not interfere with the East India Company's communication by the Red Sea with China. The objection taken by Sir J. C. Hob house is reasonable, and does not detract in the slightest degree from the gratification we feel at the ap proaching consummation of a great political and com mercial desideratum, and at the success of our own humble exertions in promoting; it. Let us only reflect for one moment on the immense importance of a rapid communication with India at the present critical situa tion of the world, and with a view to the scarcely dis guised designs of Russia in that quarter. The dullest politician must admit the beneficial importance of the Government's decision in favour of a permanent monthly ' steam communication with India. Mr. Canning justly called our East Indian empire an " awful depenciancy and the responsibility attaching to its controul may be pronounced to be indeed " awful," in proportion to the distance that eight hundred millions of British subjects —actuated by different manners, customs, feelings, and religion—are removed from the central seat of Govern ment. But the distance has been more than tripled by the absurd fatuity of persisting in the old beaten track of - communication, after the genius of scientific discovery—amidst the other miracles which it has been working in this age of philosophical miracle—had ex hibited a process by which the distance could be di minished in a ratio of more than two-thirds. The pro cess proves that, for commercial, political, and social purposes, the communication with India may be regu larly effected in five or .siv weeks, which has generally occupied from five to six months. The average distance to the two Presidencies, by the usual circuitous track, is sixteen thousand miles ! Now, the real distance by the Red Sea—employing" a water communication the whole way, with an exception of one hundred and se venty miles of land—is no more than jive thousand miles ! The most obtuse calculator can see the im mense advantage gained by the new communication now officially adopted. It will save eleven thousand miles, and will, to ad practical intents and purposes, bring the Indian Peninsula nearer to London by that extraordinary difference of space. The barren state ment of this fact is qu;te sufficient, without a word more, to justify the congratulatory tone which we have adopted on this occasion. Further arguments on the subject are rendered unnecessary by the Go vernment decision ; and, indeed, as our readers know, we have, during the last six months, exhausted argu ments on the subject. They would now be, according to homely phraseohry, " mustard after dinner. '— Morning Advertiser. In answer to a question from an Hon. Member some nights ago the Chancellor of the Exchequer stated that, so long as it should be the pleasure of the House of Commons to proceed with the legislative measures now before it, it would be impos.s:ible for him to name with any certainty a day for his financial statement. The Budget, therefore, is for hereafter. The House may be busy for the benefit of Dissenters in England, and for the injury of Parsons in Ireland ; hut of the pecuniary affairs of the country the House must be content to know as little as need be. If we mistake not, the Whigs, of whom the Right Hon. Spring Rice is one, were, in time past, clamorous advocates for n n early Budget. It seemai to them, before official habits had weakened patriotic impulses, that it was most desirable for the country to know, with the least possible delay, what taxes were to be put on, and what taxes to be taken off--what the Chancellor of the Exchequer had reason to fear and what the Chancellor of the Exchequer had reason to hope—in short, the real state of the national pocket. Things are altered nosy, Lor d John Russell has introduced so many . lon.g 13111 s that Mr. Spring Rice cannot find room . Tor a s i ng l e little Bndget—there is so much ref:;_am that there must be no book-keeping. We ar.: somewhat surprised that Mr. Spring Rice has be;ln allowed to hold his tongue successfully for so long a time. He ought to have been requested, entreated, exhorted, to explain to us how the ledger stands. A s f or t h e Conservatives, we have no hope, in this matter, of them. They are civil, courteous, compassionate ; they always allow their opponent` to select his own time for the blunder he meditates, or the mischief he intends. But how have the Radicals endured the reserve of the Chancellor of the Exchequer ? They have re presented him as utterly unworthy of public confi dence ; they have denounced him as ignorant of the rudiments of the knowledge which befits his - office ; yet they have left him to manage the purse, un questioned, from January to June. At Christmas Sir William Molesworth, in his Review, wrote thus of Mr. Spring Rice :—" The administration of the financial concerns of the nation by the Chancellor of the Exchequer is a question whiCh we leave to the zcinfefantile Members of the House ; and if some of Itern ,tl.p. i npt, on the earliest opportunity, exprecs in -• "; . i . '!'* • l ) brliatrient..- their opinions on that subject, and their C r#-- tr!:' , ,,lttt.ong - condemnation of the conduct of Mr. Spring ... r , • • r----) llicei they will disappoint their friends, and not per- i :-_'"' :- . .V.:': -.7 . 9Z.*.; foenz their duty to their constituents." At Midsum mer Mr. Spring Rice is still Chancellor of the Ex chequer, and Sir William Molesworth has not per suaded a sin(de mercantile Member to ask him what has become of the Budget. To-ni g ht oppor tnn:tv will be afforded for combating the reluctance of the Right 1 - 1. 9 1 .1Z;teranie 61ciikle s man. I - Ic announced on WedneOtty lilt intention to tals; this cvenhig a vote or Stipply on ac count. We suppose Mr. Spring Rice was ashamed to give notice of this unusual procedure hittiSelt, for he delegated the task of giviilg notice to Lord John Russe:l ; a nd ; . t_ippose Lord John Russell was alto ("ether incapable of a..counting for the step, for . he de legated the task of accotintitT fir it to Mr. Francis Baring. We trust, however, that the Chancellor of the Exchsquer %yid he induced to explain this evening why h e w ill nut p rocee d w i t h hi s est i mates , and with' his stasemcnt, and with his Budget, like an ordinary Chancellor of the Exchequer : and if the gentlemen who hold for their maxim "whatever was, was wrong," arc determined th a t even our mone y matters s h a ll he done in a new fashion we beg them to take care that they be not done in a worse.—Morning Post. That England is without a Govet nment we have felt compelled to reiterate and to press on the attention of our countrymen. The afflicting state of suspense in which his Majesty's affectionate subjects are now held but aggravates this most grave con-i leration. We only express the universal sentiment of this nation when saying, that throughout the late petiod of trying political struggle—a successful struggle for the preser vation of the Constituticri *it all its integrity—the eves of his Majesty's subjects, from the eminent states man down to the humblest individual, have been di rected with confidence and hope to the paternal protec tion of a truly English King. Yet should we, unhap pily, by the dispensation of Providence, be deprived of that protecting care which has hitherto been the steadfast trust of Englishmen, the interests of this kingdom in Church and State will render it hnperative that the same line of uncompromising loyalty should be pursued which under other circum stances was contemplated by the best friends of the Constitution. The Crown must be humbly called upon to interfere. An address from both Houses of Par liament should be laid at time foot of the throne, im ploring that this country and its manifold interests, re ligious, political, and commercial, should at all events not be left without the guidance of an efficient, a pa triotic, and a nationally responsible Government. The faction now usurping the functions of Government declaim through their organs of the press, against what they call the dead-lock to which legislation has come under the present Administration. And a " dead-lock "it truly is. But why is it so ? Because a Popish plot, encouraged against a Protestant Con stitution by the dregs of Ythiggery and the scum of Radicalism, is resisted by the nobility, the learning, and the chivalry of England. This is our view of the case. Of course the faction will clamour and rave in the opposite direction, declaring that they themselves are loyal to the King, devoted to the Constitution in Church and State, instrumental in advancing the national interests, and tender of the na tional glory. Then they can have no objection to the motion, which we expect soon to see some independent Member of the House of Commons—some gentleman who by his social and political position stands beyond the reach of party—submitting to the Commons House of Parliament. An address to the Crown to appoint a firm and efficient Administration—an Ad ministration composed of men able and willing to serve the country without reference to the obsolete distinctions of party, or to the degrading considera tions of self—an Administration, in short, which, combining the wisdom, the energy, the experience, and the undaunted patriotism of that great public body who are determined to preserve this Pro testant Monarchy—an address, praying for such an Administration must, under any circumstances, bring the question to this simple point—whether the country is to be subject to an unprincipled faction, or an en lightened Government ? All classes of his Majesty's subjects arc interested in this question: and - not less is the Throne of these kingdoms interested therein. It will not be disputed by any one, from Lord J. Russell to Mr. Roebuck, that, apart from Church considera tions, the policy of his Majesty's present Government has tended to weaken the Monarchical principle. To what, then, do these politicians aspire ? Mr. Roebuck says he would abolish the House of Lords altogether, a wish which, though more openly avowed, is not more earnestly entertained by him than by the Molesworths, the Humes, the Wakleys, and Harveys, composing the incongruous faction. Of the " tail" we say nothing. Their object is definite, the destruction of the Protestant Church. We are now speaking of the maintenance of the Monarchy. If the blundering persons now pottering with the destinies of this nation have any design what ever, it must be to maintain themselves in power, at all hazards. In this it is possible, and we think merely possible, that they may for a time succeed. Yet in that time, however short, some advance must neces sarily be made towards the fearful consummation of the downfall of the British throne. If it were possible for a 'Whig oligarchy to control the independent aris tocracy of the kingdom, then we should have a state of things for which, in its palmy days, that oligarchy in variably strove—a state of things, be it remembered, the manifest object of which was to control the Crown, and to make the King a puppet in the hands of a ty rannous majority, If, on the other hand, Lord J. Russell's more boisterous supporters should gain the ascendant, the reign of mob-dominion must commence, and the Whigs, who had provoked and fostered the political plague to a fatal tyranny, would only have the miserable satisfaction of seeing the pillars of the mo narchy fall before they themselves were crushed ben,:ath its mins. If history be indeed philosophy teaching by examples, wilt any man deny the picture which we have drawn is a faithful one ? If it be faithful, it is clear that the tendency of Ministerial measures, not ,ess than the pressing nature of political exigencies, demands the immediate emancipation of the country from Whig-Radical misrule.--Times. LICENSED VICTUALLER'S ASYLUM Yesterday a Special General Meeting of the Donors of this benevolent Institution was held at the Asylum, Old Kent. road, to elect Peren occupants to seven houses vacant in the Institution. The attendance of Donors was very numerous and respectable. Mr. 13a►.mty, Chairman of the Trustees and Committee, was in the Chair, There were 16 . candidates, all donors of the institution. At three o'clock the ballot closed, and the donors and c an . didate*. agoembled in the Board- room , The CAMIIMAN called on the Secretary to read the result, tnitn which it appeared that the following names and num. bers were the highest on the list, viz. : Ann Sparrow 6,442 Joseph Ni g hti nga l e 4,2.13 James Seawa r d - 3.619 Susannah French .. 4 ; 657 f William Ridley 3:)66 'Mary Nelson Ti i e CHAIRMAN then declare, congratulated them on being , stituthns in the country. ,a them to be duly elected, and, elected into one of the first In. 0 NEWSPAPERS IN PARIS.—M. Bou- I cher, the responsible editor, Messrs. Richard and Anthony Dugdale, the proprietors, and Mr. Aciand, the director of the late Paris Sun, appeared before the tribunal of Correctional police, upon a prosecution for publishing that journal without depositing the requisite caution_money, and without making the necessary declaration. The - Paris Sun succeeded the London and Paris Courier. The caution money deposited for the latter paper was withdrawn by those who had advanced it ; nevertheless, the Paris Sun continued to al•pear for about seven months. The case having been gone through, the Court rendered its judgment to the following effect :—Consi dering that Jules Boucher, the responsible editor, Richard Dugdale and Anthony Dugdale, the proprietors, and J. Ac land, the director, have, in the course of 1836 and 1537, pub lished a journal intitled the Paris Sun, without having depo sited the caution money required by the law of the 9th of Sep tember, 1835, or making the declaration required by the law of the 18th July, 1828--considering that the Paris Sun had no connection with the London and Paris Courier, and con sequently the caution money deposited on the foundation of that journal, could not in any manner, after its extinction, be nefit another journal published by other proprietors, and that even this caution-money, which belonged exclusively to tie shareholders of the London and Paris Courier, far from being conceded to the shareholders of the Paris Sun, was with. drawn—Boucher, R. Dugdale, A. Dug - dale, and Acland, have rendered themselves guilty of violating Art. 13 of the law of November 9, 1833 ; Art. 6of the law of July 18, 1828 ; and Art. 6 of the law of July 9, 1819—declares seizure good itnd valid, and condemns them to bo imprisoned for one month, and to pay a tine of 200 fr. each. After the judgment was pro nounced, M. Puincot, the substitute to the procureur du Roi, recommended the parties to petition the King for an act of grace. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. J ".'tC)(7; Jt , NE 15. Thr.! tool; the Chair at Four o'Clock. BRIGHTON RAILWAY. lf_.;;;t1 iiEORGE LENNOX presented a petition from the Directors of four of the B r ighto n line o f railways, which Stated that the petitioners being arittious fully to secure the interests of the public ; had formed thernseites into one Company—(Cheers)-=and had laid titit ti plats flit a line of rails" to Brighton, which they prayed might be laid before the Engineer appointed by the Government to decide upon the best line to Brighton. Capt. ALSAGER supported the prayer of the petition. Lord GEORGE LENNOX trusted that the House would allow him now to move that the petition be re ferred to the Government Engineer. The SPEAKER said a notice must be given before such a motion could be made. Lord G. LENNOX trusted the House would dispense with the notice, as time was of the greatest importance. Sir E. KNATCH BULL thought a day's delay could be of little or no importance. Captain ALSAGER begged to say, that as the mover of Sir J. Rennie's Inc be had been requested to support the prayer of the petition, which he did most heartily, Loping that this arrangement would be the first step to wards harmony. Lord. G. LENNOX then moved that the petition should be referred to the Government Engineer. Mr. FRESHFIELD objected to the motion without notice. He thon,;ht the public ought to be satisfied that the plan proposed was . for their interest. Mr. HARVEY n as happy to hear that these rival Com panies had at last the good sense to agree. That good sense had no doubt been brought to light, as it was in al most all cases, by a diminution of fortune.—(Cheers.) So long as these conflicting lines had plenty of funds, they were opposed to each other, but the moment those funds had decreased, they agreed among themselves upon the best plan. The Noble Lord by his motion did cot ask the House to adopt that plan, but merely to refer it to the Government Engineer to determine on behalf of the public whether the proposed line was, or was not the best. Sir E. KNATCIIBULL thought the better way would be for the Noble Lord to give notice of the petition, because at present scarcely any one knew anything about it. The SPEAKER said he had no interest whatever in the matter, except to see that the rules of the House were observed. The Noble Lord, if the House did not object, bad a right to make the motion, and he was not aware there was any rule of the House that would exclude that motion. But, under all the circum stances, he thought it would be desirable that the Noble Lord should give notice of his motion. After a few observations from Mr. S. LEFEVRE and Sir 'F. FREMANTLE, who protested against the Noble Lord making his motion without having given notice, Lord G. LENNOX withdrew the motion, and gave no tice that he would bring it forward to-morrow. On the motion of Mr. LA MBTON, the Durham Junc tion Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. On the motion of Sir WILLIAM FO LKES, the Ouse Bank (Norfolk) Drainage Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. R. PRICE brought up the Report of the Commit tee on Farr's Estate. The Bill was then read a third time and passed. Lord W. BENTINCK presented a petition from the Provost and Magistrates of the Town Council of Glasgow, against such parts of the Sheriffs Courts Bill as would abo lish Guild Courts in Scotland. Also, a petition from the Bridewell Commissioners of the town of Glasgow, against the Bill for improving Prison Discipline in Scotland. Also a petition from the East India Association of Glasgow, in favour of Steam Navigation with India ; and a petition from 7,600 inhabitants of Calcutta and other parts of Bengal, in favour of a regular steam communica tion from all parts of India —(Cheers.) The Noble Lord stated that the British inhabitants of India had subscribed a sum of 30,000/. for that purpose. Col. VERNER presented 26 petitions from Armagh and 7 petitions from Tyrone, praying for an inquiry into the present system of National Education in Ireland. Captain BERKELEY presented a petition from Robert Doyley of Cork, praying that assassins of character might be included in any law for the alteration of the Law of Libel. Sir R. DONKIN presented a petition from Berwick against the Municipal Boundaries Bill. Mr. WILKS presented a petition from Leicester, pray ing for the abolition of Church-rates. W OPE N NY-POSTMEN. Mr. HARVEY presented a petition, signed by 9,871 merchants, bankers, and tradesmen of London, including almost all of those professions from Hyde Park-corner to Whitechapel-road, complaining of the inadequate compen sation given to the Twopenny-postmen. The Hon. Mem ber then gave notice, that to-morrow he would present a petition from Sheffield, praying for the repeal of the Poor law Amendment Act. Mr. HUME presented petitions from the Glasgow and West of Scotland Power-loom Weavers Association ; from Marylebone ; from the Dundee Radical Association ; and from the merchants, manufacturers, and others of Pollock shaws, praying for an extension of the suffrage to every householder. Mr. H. JOHNSTONE presented a petition from the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, complaining that the Report of the Commissioners had not been taken into consideration, and suggesting that it was the duty of the Government to support the Established Church even pending any inquiry. Mr. HUME gave notice that to-morrow he would pre sent a petition, praying that all public edifices which con tained works of art might be opened to the public without expense. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from Col. Bradley, complaining of the decision in his case. The Honourable Member gave notice that on Tuesday next he would move for a copy of all the correspondence between the Horse Guards and Colonel Bradley relative to the dispute between him and Colonel Arthur. Sir SAMUEL WHALLEY presented a petition from St. nmeris in favour of the Ministerial plan for the abo lition of Church-rates. Sir ROBERT INGLIS presented a petition from a place in Oxfordshire, in favour of the better observance of the Sabbath. Sir H. H A RDINGE presented a petition from an in dividual named Bennett, who was an out-pensioner of Greenwich Hospital, who had lost his pension by accepting a commutation, praying that a law might be passed by which that pension would be restored. The Right Hon. Baronet gave notice that he should to •night move a clause to that effect in the Bill that was to be brought forward. Sir G. SINCL AIR presented a petition in favour of the better observance of the Lord's-day. POLLOCK AND GOVAN RAILWAY. ADJOURNED DEBATE. Lord \V. BEN TI NCK moved the further considera tion of the Report of the Committee on the Pollock and Govan Railway. Mr. SPEIRS said the opposition to the Bill did not arise from any sordid or pecuniary motives, nor because it interfered with any other line of railway. The objection arose from its being proposed to cross the Glasgow turn pike road ; and, if a clause which he had the honour to propose would be embodied in the Bill by the promoters, he (Mr. Spcirs) would at once withdraw all objection to it. The clause, as we understood the Hon. Member, was to the effect that the railway should not cross the Glasgow road, except by means of a tunnel or a bridge. If that clause were rejected, he should reel it his duty to move as an amendment that the. Report be - further considered that.day six months. For the Committee Against it Majority. On our return to the gallery we found Mr. J. MAXWELL said, the peculiar difficulty of agree ing with the Hon. Member's proposition was, that the rail way was already made, and had been for some years. The undertaking 11,-.d received the sanction of the Glasgo w au thorities, and the Trustees of the River Clyde, an d l ie hoped the lion. Member would withdraw the clause, a s it was impossible now to carry it into effect. Mr. WALLACE, as one well acquainted with the road in question, was fully of opinion that the clause was not required, and ought to be rejected. Dr. BO WRING supported the Bill. Lord G. SOMERSET would support the clause of the Hon. Member opposite. Lord W. BENTINCK said that not a singl e p et i t i on had been presented against the Bill. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— For the insertion of the clause Against it Majority against the clause —27 Bill to be ingrossed. MR. GORE JONES. Sir ROBERT BATESON then rose to move that, the Committee Clerk who attended the Committee on Orange Lodges in 1835, be ordeted to attend the trial of Gore Jones v. Henry Hunter, in Di tin. He had also a petition to present. Mr. HUME protested against the Hon. Baronet being allowed to proceed a ith his motion at present. He ought to have first had the petition printed, and regularly circula ted with the votes. Sir R. BATESON said it was only at the request of the Hon. Member for Middlesex that the petition was presented. The statements in the petition bore out the assertion he made last night, as to the necessity of the Committee clerk being ordered to attend the trial. Mr. ROEBUCK rose to order. The present was not a case of privilege. Sir R. INGLIS thought, as the Hon. Member had risen to order, he should show in what particular the rules of the House had been transgressed. THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, JUNE 16, 1831. 35 -16 Mr. nor,BucK—The Order of the Day is a motion to. the gidleq; tthen up , Jump d the Hon. Baronet to move the further consideratic;n d?ljotiittd 4.0141e._ Mr. TREVOR rose to call the Hon. Member for Bath to order.—(Laughter.) It was distinctly understood that the Hon. Baronet should be - allowed to bring his motion on that evening. Mr. ROEBUCK would be glad to know how an Order of the Day could take prceedenee of eighteen notices of Motions: The question seas merely of a personal nature, and should tibt tie tillOteml to occupy the time of the House. Lord J. RUSSELL believed the lion. and Learned Member for Bath had, strictly speaking, good rbillttt: for his interruption. The Hon. Baronet bad, yesterday, given way out of courtesy to the House, and perhsps, in point of COUttesy, he ought now to be allowed to proceed.—( Hear.) Mr. ROEBUCK said his objection was to bringing for- Ward such a motion without notice. It appeared No. Pi among the Motions, and No. 7 amour the Orders of the Day, in order to make assurance doubly sure ; and he would be glad to know from the Hon. Baronet now, whether he meant to make it as a Motion, or an Order of the Day Sir R. BATESON said, it had been distinctly under stood that he should bring the question forward that even ing at five o'clock. The trial to which it referred came on on Monday, and could not be postponed, and therefore the House would see that it was a matter of urgent necessity. Dr. BOWRING hoped the Speaker would decide the question for the House. The SPEAKER could merely repeat what he had al ready said, that he supposed he had been consulting the wishes of the House and promoting the proceedings in a Court of Justice by calling on the _Hon. Baronet. Lord MORPETH said as a point of equity, he thought that the House ought to grant permission to the witness to attend—(Hear)—and the sooner it granted that per mission the better.—(Chcers.) _ Sir R. BATESON, after the declaration of the Noble Lord, would not say a single word further than that he had not brought the question forward from party motives. The Hon. Baronet then moved that the Committee Clerk who attended before the Orange Lodge Committee have leave to attend and give evidence in Dublin. Mr. HUME said that was not yet the question. The petition had not yet been read, or even laid on the table.—(Hear, bear.) The House knew nothing of its contents, and could not therefore at once agree to the motion. The petition was then read at length by the Clerk a the table. Sir R. BATESON then renewed his motion. Mr. HUME thought that, considering the protection which that House ought to afford to those who were called as witnesses before them, it was impossible that they could agree to the motion—they ought not to afford facilities to any party for persecutions of any kind. The usual way for contradicting any charge was for the parties who thought themselves calumniated to present a petition to that House, so that the contradiction might be made as fully known as the charge had been. Election cases were dif ferent from those in question, and he objected to giving the permission required. Mr. O'CONNELL differed from the Hon. Member for Middlesex, thinking that the House ought to allow the evidence to be given. It must be recollected that this was not an action brought against Mr. Jones, but by him, and the evidence was necessary for the defence. Mr. Sergeant JACKSON thought the House ought to allow the evidence to be given. Captain JONES supported the motion. Mr. ROEBUCK thought the evidence ought not to be given. The motion was then agreed to without a dis ision. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that as the question of Supply might in all probability take a considerable time to morrow, he would postpone the question relating to the Irish Tithe Bill till Monday ; but, on Lord STANLEY stating that it would be better there should be a fixed day for the discussion of that important question when it would be certain of coming on, Lord J. RUSSELL fixed Friday se'ennight. Mr. G. BERKELEY then rose to move " That an humble address be presented to his Majesty, praying that ho will be graciously pleased to give directions for the im mediate carrying into effect the recommendation of the Se lect Committee of 1833, relating to the best means of set ting apart a portion of the strangers' gallery for the admit tance of ladies, both in the present and new Houses of Parliament." In bringing forward this motion he was solely influenced by a sense of public duty, and he thought the House should assert its just prerogative, and insist on the resolution being carried into effect. The subject was now so well understood that he should not then enter fur ther into it—(Laughter)—but he could not help observing that it was rather odd that the opponents of the measure voted 4001. for the expense of the alteration, whereas the estimated sum stated by those who brought it forward was only 2801. It would seem from this that the object was to defeat it on the ground of expences. For his part he could not see on what ground the presence of ladies could be ob jected to, and he put it to any Hon. Member who had ever the good fortune to have a bouquet of flowers introduced into his chamber by a lady whether he did not feel the air the sweeter for it ?—( Loud laughter.) Capt. CHETWYND seconded the motion. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the motion Against it Majority against the motion —24 TWOPENNY POSTMEN Captain POLHILL, in moving that the petition of the twopenny-post carriers, presented on the 14th of April, be referred to a Select Committee, hoped he should have the support not only of the Government, but of both sides of the House. The case of the petitioners was fully set forth in the petition of the 14th of April, and he thought it was one which fully justified him in moving that it be referred to a Select Committee. Colonel SI BTHORP seconded the motion. Lord SEYMOUR thought the class of persons referred to by the Hon. Member were not in a worse condition than those belonging to other departments of the public service. Theirsalarics were twenty shillings per week, with an allowance of three or four shillings for extra duty. They were, besides, allowed nine shillings per week in case of sickness. Mr. WEST begged to call the attention of the Govern ment to the case of the Dublin letter-carriers, whose duty had been increased by the recommendation of the Post office Commissioners, and yet, after 20 years' service, the salary of those persons was only 4.51. a-year. He put it to the House whether it was fair to increase the duties of those men and refuse an increase of remuneration ? Mr F. BARING (lid not think it right that such ap plications to Parliament should be countenanced. After a few words from Colonel Sibthorp, Mr. Hamilton, Dr. Bowring, Mr. Wallace, and Mr. O'Connell, the House divided, when there appeared— Mr. G. KNIGHT moving for a Select Committee to in quire into the asylum for lunatic paupers at Hanwell. He thought if he were able to show that sufficient attention was not paid to the pauper lunatics the House would not re• fuse to grant the Committee. The reports showed that the recoveries at Hanwell were much fewer than those in any similar institution. Indeed, there was a difference to a frightful extent, and one of the objects of the Committee would be to ascertain the cause of this. Some of the re turns appeared very favourable, and in one instance 260 were returned cured ; but this was not the fact, as many of those included in this number were returned more than once. He moved for another return subsequently, from which it appeared that 27 of the 260 were yet in the asylum ; and even this second return was incorrect, for there were more than that number in the asylum out of th e 160 at the time the return was made. If the cures at Hanwell were few, the deaths were numerous in propor tion to those at other places. There were but half the cures and double the deaths at Han well which took place in the other institutions. There was a vast expenditure, too, between the hobbying and jobbing.. Bad land had been taken at 2501. per acre, whilst land much more eligible in every way could be had for 1201. The building cost 124,0001., 10,000/. of which had been raised in a most in- , . formal way, by parochial assessment. Now this should be seen to, if it were only to prevent the repetition of such a proceeding. Sir G. STRICKLAND seconded the motion. Mr. C. BARCLAY was in favour of the inquiry. The great proportion of deaths and the few cures was owing to the fact, that, out of the 600 cases in Hartwell, 500 had been sent from other institutions where they had been pro nounced incurable.—(Hear, hear.) He had gone through the institution, and was greatly gratified to find 400 of the inmates employed in various trades. Mr. WAK LEY had heard that the treatment at Ilan well was better than in any other asylum in the kingdom. With regard to the expenditure, he would not undertake to speak. It was hard to know what object the Hon. Member had in view, from the terms of his notice. The words were — ,, To inquire into the asylum for lunatic paupers at llanwell." Now thii was very vague, as was too much the practice in such notices. What were they to inquire into—the financial or medical state of the institution ? (Hear, hear.) Was the object to show a defective treat ment, bodily or mental ? The terms of the motion did not tell. To bring forward such a motion at so late a pe riod of the session, would be productive of no good. It would be better to withdraw it, and to bring forward a mo tion next session for an inquiry into all lunatic asylums, private and public. Colonel WOOD did not often agree with the lion. Member who had just sat down, but on tins :-,-tte:sien he did entirely. lie thought the inquiry should have zt more extensive range ; and, if the in•r;tioa was per siSted should move, as an amendmeet, that it should have poWef tz, - ; inquire into all lunatic asylums. The petition on which the motica , n'as founded came from an odd quarter—namely, St. George's, id :7-ml'er-square, and arose from information conveyed to the retry of that perish by two patients who had been discharged. They stated to the Vestry of that parish that if they were not sent back they would give them information of the ma nagement of one of the wards. This was promised, and they then stated that in a ward not generally known the pa tients ;Yore confined almost in a state of nudity in their cribs from Saturday cvening until Monday morning. The statement proved to be true, nntl the Magistrates thought it necessary to interfere ; and it was from these parties, whose proceedings were so extraordinary, that inqu:ry was demanded. Tile Hon. Member concluded by protesting against the limited nature of the proposed inquiry. After a few words from Mr. CHAPLIN and Mr. BAINES, Lord JOll N RUSSELL thought any inquiry should be on an enlarged scale, according to the proposition of the lion. Member for Brecon (Colonel Wood). He did not, however, think that suMeient grounds had been stated for acceding to either the motion or amendment, and he hoped that they would not be persevered in. Mr. G. KNIGHT briefly replied, but declined to divide the House. The motion was then noptived without a division. PUBLIC COMMISSIONS. Colonel SIBTHO RP rose to move for " a Select Com mittee to inquire into the present state of the various public Commissions, with a view of considering how far it may be expedient and practicable to make an alteration in the number, and, consequently, diminution in the enormous expense of the same." The Hon. and Gallant Officer then went on to say that the expenses of these bodies had be come so alarming that the country had a right to look to the Noble Lord (John Russell) for some inquiry into the expenditure. It was the more required, es he (Colonel Sibthorp) understood that the Noble Lord intended to continue for a long period that host of locusts which were devouring the country. By the returns made in 1836 it appeared that there then existed 39 Commissions, which had cost the country 553,560/. 2s. Bd. ; and by a subse quent retur❑ it appeared that 10 more were added since, making in all the number of 49 Commissions. Of these 467 were paid Commissioners, exclusive of clerks and secretaries ad infinitum. Among these Commissions there were several going on, the labours of which were not availed of by the Government—the Ecclesiastical Commission, for instance, respecting which the Noble Lord had, no later than Mon day night, moved for a Committee to inquire into Church property—strictly a part of the duties of that body. The ten additional Commissions, he found, cost the country 561,3331. 4s. Bd. Among the Commissions which cost the country an enormous sum was the Record Commis sion. It had absorbed nearly half a million of the public money, and yet the public records were absolutely in a worse state at present than they ever had been. If, then, the Noble Lord wished to carry into effect his professions of retrenchment and economy, he would best evince his desire by granting the Committee. Mr. FORBES seconded the motion. Mr. F. BARING said the proper time to discuss the subject was when the estimates were before the House. There were facts enough in evidence to prove that no jobbing was in question. The only one which could be called a job among them was the Record Commission, but that had been appointed in the time of Mr. Pitt, and it had been continued by every Government since. The pre sent Government had, however, appointed a Committee on the subject, which he hoped would point out some means of furthering their progress. He did not deny that the pre sent Government had appointed more Commissioners during their continuance in office than any of their pre decessors ; but that they had obtained more valuable re sults, and had used them more effectively, was equally un deniable. He asked the House and the country to look at these results. If it were not for them it would not have been possible to pass the Reform Act, the Municipal Cor porations Act, or the Act for the Amendment of the Poor law. The Inn. and Gallant Member had stated the num ber of Commissions (49) rightly, but he had forgotten to add that of that number seventeen were totally unpaid. That left 32 to be accounted for. Of these Commissions one, that relating to public Acts, only cost the country 5001., while it turned it into the Exchequer upwards of 40,0001. a-year. Seven of these were old Commissions, only conti nued by the present Government. That reduced the num ber to 25. Of these 25 there were four not of the appoint ment of the present Government, which left a residue of twenty-one. He (Mr. Baring) needed only state, in justi, fication of the Government for appointing them, that they included the Municipal Corporations of England and Ire land, the Poor-laws for England and Ireland, the Factories Regulation, the Excise Inquiry, the Slave Compensation, the Eastern Possessions Inquiry, the Courts of Law (Scotland), Education (Ireland), the Shannon Navigation, Canada, Tithes, and the alleged grievances of the people of Malta. No one could deny that these were fair sub jects for Commissions. If a comparison were instituted between the cost and the relative advantage derived from the Commissions appointed by the present Government, in comparison with those appointed by their predecessors, the balance would be found considerably in favour of the former. From 1807 to 1830 Commissions to the extent of 1,217,917/. were issued—no doubt some of them most be neficial ; but what were the results in comparison with those issued since 1830, which cost only half that sum ? Under these circumstances he should oppose the motion of the Hon. and Gallant Member. An Hos. MEMBER opposed the motion. Mr. WAKLEYoppO;ed themotion. After a few words from Mr. VILLIERS and Colonel SIBTHORP, the House divided, when the numbers were— For the motion 2O Against it 74 Majority —sl PUBLIC ACCOUNTS. On our re-admission to the gallery we found Dr. BO W RING proposing resolutions of which he had given notice, for the greater security of the public revenues, and the greater accuracy of public accounts. He contended that the public accounts could never be kept in a satis factory manner until the system was adopted of bringing all receipts of public revenue into the Exchequer, and all sums of expenditure issued therefrom directly, and not from any other source. The Hon. Member concluded by proposing two resolutions. The first declaring it to be the opinion of the House .that, in future, the gross receipts from every branch of the public revenue should be paid into the Exchequer, and that no public depai tment should be allowed to appropriate any part of it without the previous sanction of Parliament. The second reso lution declared that hereafter all money arising from the sale of public stores should, in like manner, be paid into the Exchequer, and subject to the same regulation as regarded appropriation. ..Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the Hon. Member would have no objection either to withdraw or to postpone his re solutions for the present, and he would, therefore, move the previous question. Dr. BOWitl NG expressed his concurrence in the sug gestion of the Noble Lord, and the previous question was agreed to. FOURDRINIER'S PATENT. Sir 0. MOSLEY rose to bring forward his motion for the re-appointment of a Select Committee to which the petition of Fourdrinier for the extention of his pa tent had been referred. The Chancellor of the Exche quer had approved of the appointment of the original Committee, and the Committee thought themselves au thorised to report fully on the whole of the subject. It appeared, however, that they had exceeded their powers, by recommending a compensation to the patentees for the loss they sustained. He would now therefore move that the Committee should be re-appointed. Mr. M ACKIN NON had been chairman of the Com mittee, and he was to blame for the informality into which the Committee had fallen ; for it was he who had intro duced the word " compensation" into the Report. Had the word " consideration" been employed in place of " compensation" the present difficulty would have been avoided. The SPEAKER said the Report could not, be received, because the Committee had exceeded their powers. Mr. W. PATTEN wished to know whether the only question the Committee would have to consider, when ap pointed, was the renewal of the patent ? If the patent was not to be renewed, were they not to consider the question of compensation ? After a few words from Mr. Mackinnon, Mr. Goulburn, Mr. Baines, Sir, . Mosley, and Sir G. Clerk, the motion was agreed to, and the Committee rc.appointed. RATING OF SMALL TENEMENTS. Sir H. VERNEY rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill to exempt die occupiers of tenements within a certain annual value from the payment of rates, and throwing the payment on the owners. He considered that this Bill would be a great boon to the poor. It was said last night that the House manifested a disposition to oppress the poor. He did not think so. The Bill would not interfere either with the Parliamentary or with the mu nicipal franchise. It would interfere only with the paro chial franchise. Those who had no rate ought not in jus tice to interfere with the distribution of the parish funds. He would take 61. as the limit of his Bill. Mr. PRY 111 E opposed the Bill. A similar Bill was proposed in 1834, which he successfully opposed. If the owner was to be rated, was it to be supposed that when he built new small tenements he would not consider the rate he had to pay, and demand a higher rent At present the poor man had some resource, for upon application to a Magistrate he might be exempted from the payment of rate. Itouz,.cs pail no rate. The consequence of imposing aµ race on grnall tenements must he to reduce those svh o r; —(No, No.) It was so in effect, for the humbler class t o e f dread) , poor into, the situation of paupers. The Hon.. and Learned Gentleman concluded a few further observations uy stating that he would oppose not only the introductio n of the Bill but every future strt,v,e of it.—(Hear...) Mr. A. TREVOR objected to the Bill. • Sir G. STRICKLAND objected t o the Bill as taking h a d in away from the poor that interest whictl i they now good parochial management. Mr. SANFORD would support the B ill. Mr. CRIPPS would also give his suppo rt to the' Bill! Mr. WASON was persuaded the Bill w ould be fo res end impracticable, and render the operations of the ped Poor-law still more difficult than they weft , at present., Mr. I3AINES objected to the Bill, and said that every town in the country would petition against it if altowed to be proceeded with. be Colonel WOOD thought, at all events, it Would to wrong to pass such a Bill hastily, and that they ou.ght wait to see what the Poor Law Commissioners might here after recommend upon the subject, as well as to allow the. country time to express its feelings upon it by petitions. Mr. PLUMPT RE said a few words, which were inau dible in the gallery. Mr. W A KLEY wished to see the Bill introduced, and objected to the whispers he heard in the House respecting' its emanation from the Poor-law Commissioners.—Wear") The Bill, however, was one which ought to be well con" sidercd, for although good in principle, it contained man} details which he strongly objected to. He particularly ot'' jetted to that part which went the length of d e p riv j ing the poor of the right of voting at the election of Poor -law Guardians. Mr. AGLIONBY thought the speech of the 1 1 ° e. Member for Finsbury more against the Bill than for it, o r if not so, he was at a loss how to understand his objenti°,l to it. He (Mr. Aglionby) hoped the Hon. Baronet wen consent to withdraw the Bill for this Session. Mr. ESTCOURT also hoped the Bill would be with" drawn. Mr. R. PALMER doubted the policy of altering the law at this advanced period of the Session, and thought , would be better to defer the measure until another session. Sir H. VERNEY hoped the House would allow. the Bill to be printed, that the opinion of Members mig ht taken on it. He regretted that he could not accede tools recommendation of his Hon. Friends, and he should ther fore divide the House. Mr. G. F. YOUNG said it was provided by Local Acts that these appointments should never exceed half th e rental ; therefore, the landlords had surely not much cause to complain. The House then divided, when the numbers were-- For the Bill 73 Against it 45 Majority Sir A. AGNEW then rose, for the purpose of m ovi l for leave to bring in a Bill to declare that the use of Ilia' ways on the Lord's Day is contrary to the law of Scotland' —The Hon. Baronet, during the time of making his tion, was interrupted by loud cries for Mr. Brotherton , 81.1 an adjournment. Mr. WARD then moved, as an amendment, the ad journment of the House. Mr. AGLIONBY said it was most unfair now to preset on this motion, when the understanding was that th e rest of the notices and orders should be put off. The LORD ADVOCATE denied that it was a c ase established, that the law of Scotland was as the Hon. pa r°, net stated it to be. .of Mr. WAKLEY said that a notice to declare the law Scotland on this point was sheer nonsense. He hoped the Bill would be got rid of. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER id s° hoped the Bill wou4l not be pressed upon the House. Il e objected, on principle, to Bills declaiatory of the law, va t ' . out the facts before them on which to come to a decis io n" To obtain a quasi declaration by this House of the 1 0 ' v.as to place the Courts of Justice in Scotland in a col anomalous position. ' bt Sir A. AGNEW observed that this was the last a l k for fifteen days that notices could precede Orders of tue , Day. The law and the practice of Scotland certainly' against Sunday travelling, but the railway proprietors wera generally persons living at a distance, and therefore e°t likely to pay much attention to the feeling of the inhabitan ts ' He should proceed to a division. Sir W. FOLLETT joined in requesting the Hon- B e. ronet to withdraw his motion. The object of the Hl' Baronet was not merely to declare the law, but to raise the penalties, and the present notice was therefore inadequ ate for the introduction of such a Bill. Sir R. INGLIS also thought that under the present no' Lice such a Bill as that of the Hen. Baronet could not 10 introduced. Sir A. AGNEW withdrew his motion. Mr. BARING obtained leave to bring in a Bill to rest the Rolls' Estate in his Majesty, and for other purposes' Captain BOLDERO moved for a return of the numb er and names of foreigners now bearing his Majesty's en mission, with the date of their ranks, And the amouei ° pay or emolument. After a few words from Lord HOWICK, the retort) was ordered. REGISTRATION OF MARRIAGES BILL. d „, The report of this Bill was received, and the aill° ments agreed to. - FOREIGN OFFICERS BILL. On the motion for going into Committee on the Foreig s Officers Bill, Sir H. HARDINGE had no intention to oppose t b il e i Bill, but he trusted that the Noble Lord opposite (L e , Howick) would allow him to introduce a clause into e P Bill for the purpose of restoring a number of old soldier s ' who had shed their blood in the service of their coe o t r i; to those pensions which had been purchased of them si t years ago by the War-office. the case of those individ o3 ., was simply this :—Some few years since, under a forolo Government, a plan was proposed, and an arr a ngement 1 . tered into, by which a certain number of pensioners, o ° o. 1i ", certain regulations, were a ll owe d t o co m mu t e their P e„ „," sions for a certain sum of money, in order to enable th e n "i to emigrate to the co l on i es as se ttl ers .. A grea t numbered'' pensioners availed themselves of this arrangement , went out to the Canadas, to Australia, and other Colon' e "' He was willing to admit that there was great want of d' s ; cretion in the extent to which this arrangement is permitted to be carried on.—(Hear, hear.) Se le ' a s . had gone out who were totally unfit to succeed settlers—some of the ages of fifty and sixty. The C O l e quence was that many of those individuals, being ine°1 38 ,,,,j of the exertions that their new occupations required , " -- a totally failed, and were reduced to the greatest distress. Sle to wli,m the compensation had - been given did not fulfi l 1 5 1 e terms of their contract, but remained in England, and tbes. had been restored to their pensions. Now, he a sked , re e f it just that those men who had fulfilled the c ondition s , o f their contract, and had gone to the colonies, though I ", r had not succeeded there, should be placed in a worse I v dition than those who had not fulfilled their compact ? c o what ground of justice could they refuse to place thes ell ‘ ar on the same conditions with the others ? At that late 11 ; 1 ; he did not intend to trespass on the House by prodaeliae any discussion on this subject, but lie hoped the 01 . Lord, by permitting him to move an instruction to the `-'° mittee, by the insertion of a clause, or by some other eler ht. would enable him to do justice to these men. ThiS 11) ~ht done without any expense to the country, for their r, os t sions, which had been received as an equivalent for the ; 00 five years, would more than atone to the public for any f le occasioned by carrying this arrangement into effect , hoped the Noble Lord would not stand on any tec°'ll,oit ties, but would introduce a clause to this effect, 'or P e " him (Sir H. Hardinge) to do so. Lord HO WICK said that it would be contrary t 0 t he rules Of Pariiament to introduce any such clause t he present Bill, and he did not think that the case wit' h a s o Right Hon. and Gallant Officer had stated in"soader much hardship as he had reiwesented. The A ct n o.' which this commutation of soldiers ' pensions had bee ` , er n , mitted to take place had been introduced to 1 1 ment of the Duke of Wellington, in 1830. i t '; a tria' regretted that this power of commutation was P ei " l i m its, into effect with more caution, and under stricter . e nt but he believed the fault did not lie with the Governledv.ny of the time. So far from the Government having ! lo ge', sire to induce parties to avail themselves of this a: fit to by the meat they provided that all persons who were n o ut a t ion become settlers should be admitted to the coffin!, fi tn ess , but, by means of forged certificates of age anu_.,atino, many persons had availed themselves of the c oot Lusettleri, who, from being totally inefficient to succee d as _ s e on" had totally failed. But in this case no injustice vrahe mitted on these individuals ; on the contrary, it ensigns had vernment which had been defrauded. These Pen s _ an d 4 em purchased on the principle of life insuraneca,,or n o d au" could not then be said that the country woul d loss by restorinc , those individuals to their pensionart of t he Mr. GOU CB URN said that there was one Lord Inl u d statement of his Gallant Friend which the Nob hho, t left untouched, namely, with respect to those: those Abu they had remained in England and not fulfill is cl t tract had been restored to their pension=, wi' lonies, had fulfilled their contract, and gone to the eOuld not Pe. r : to be excluded. He hoped the Noble Lord wo , ane sist in reusing to give those cases consideration, eotr do justice to these individuals. sill be On the motion being again put, that the Lora mitted, Noll t he Captain BOLDERO hoped that e_ th 'ttee v lll ' t sr o would not persevere in going into Coma" ove to Bill at that hour, as ho had amendments to 0) , ot • ta ll of the clauses. Officer w o uld to ti Q Lotd HO \VICK hoped the Gallant persevere. The object of the Bill was pint' r their eon-