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who had produced a very excellent and sensible pamphlet upcia the . subject. The Bill which he was ebont to submit Wl5 . a very short one, containtng only two 4.hius..-s, and which would inclu he pro posed remedy; it would enai that atter s.ch a day, no pers , in for the reonre.ry of rent should be liable to .he process in qurslion, only as it rXisted against him as a lessee of such derivative or middle;- - man respectively—this would go not only to render substantial justice, but in tad to benefit the parties. The nature of the enactment was, that all these parties should have that which he was fairly and precisely entitled to. The original landlord is enti-t tied to his land, but what were the middle-men No more than mere conduit pipes, they l-t least , s, and take as a profit the difference bet ween the rents; , the hind was not his ; he derived no profit from his labour, with respeti to the land—what he derived was from his come lion with the man immediately be:ow him. Let him have a remedy so far, but let - him not ride over state and forest upon the property of every man that occupied it. The Bill would. go to affortl a distinct benefi: to the original landlord, inastrUch as it enacted, -that the middle-man should , not be entitled to distrain for rent, until such as was payable to the original landlord should be duly paid, that he should be satisfied for his rent before the middle-man could come and take away the pro duce of the lands. The Bill would attack the rights of no man, while it would go to * prated duly the occupying tenant. It went upon the, true princille of law, as applicable to the case; that the right of distress should not vest in the immediate lessor of the-occupying tenant, until the head landlord Should be satisfied, and that the last middle-man should be authorised only to distrain for the difference, but not for the whole. Thus simple and clear in its operation, the leading obje& of the measure would be the removal of aggravated injustice. The Noble Earl then presented the Bill, which was an Al for be,tering the condition of landlord and tenant in Great Britain and Ireland. This he sair.L he would move to have read a bast time, and afterwards to be printed On the question, Lord REDESDALE rose, and expressed his doubts as to the efficacy of the measere proposed by the . Noble Earl tor us avowed ourposes. He was not unicquainted with the subied from his official re;i denee in Ireland, and it wa. one to, which he had Often turned his mind. Mach•of what Was coal plalwri of arose from the disturbed state of Ireland,. in one view, and its - rapid progress in improvement in some parts of the country. So that a quantity, of land which may be let at one time for gol. may at another be let for 9501. or even a larger, sum of money. He adverted to the case of a friend who possessed considerable property in the county of Clare, who bad let a tract of thirteen, thousand acres, reserving about eight hundred for himself; but so it was, that these eight hundred acres . were stow of infinitely more va l u e than the remain der of the tract. The system in question had long been acted upon in Ireland, and he believed that one-third of the landed property in that country was held by such tenures. In most cases, the lands were originally let for• small rents, the , next leisor increased the rents, and so on progres sively, se- that there wete many instances where land was let for six times the amount of the original rent. The Noble and Learned Lord entered into a detailed legal vie w of the question, as apphcable to to the long-established law, and the system which 'prevailed iu'lreland (which our restricted limits pre clude ps float entering into), for the purpose of chewing that the enactment of such provisions as the Noble Earl's Bill contained would have an in jurious rather than a beneficial teudency.' Much of what was complained of arose, not from any particular provision. of the law, but from the general system which has long prevailed with resped to let ting lands in Ireland ; the rents paid by the occupy ing tenants were comparatively high, and they of ten depended upon the circumstances of the year being fortunate or otherwise, and the state of the seasons, for the ability to pay their rents. The pio cess of distress formed so prominent a part of the system, that most of the considerable estates had what was there called a Driver ; and to such pro ceedings landlords were often obliged to recur, in order to prevent the tenants carrying the substance from off the lands. Under some provisions of the law of England, where in general a very different system of letting the land prevailed, a process near ly similar, as many of their Lordships must know, could obtain, as in the cases of jointure, where a power may be given- to distrain on a part of the lands for the amount of the whole jointure. He did not see bow the remedy proposed could have a general beneficial effect : by the mode in which the power was meant to be given, cases may occur, in which the lessee shopld pay all those above him be- fore he could recover what was due to himself,by distress ; and the operation of it may be such as ei ther to divest a person of that which he was legally entitled to, or to produce endle:ss matter for litiga tion. What be stated was rather with a view that the subject shank! be considered so as to find a re medy for the mischief, if possible, than to preclude further discussion. To. him the subject appeared attended with various difficulties. It had occurred to him, whether it would not be advantageoui to Ireland to check the pradice of sub-demises in Ire land by some provisions of laW. The difficulty of *finding purchasers in that country would also form a part of the consideration. This he had experienced in the instance of some property he had near Dub lin, of -which he at'length had no means of parting with but by a siib-detnhe; what then - would be his Situation with respect to it, if he had not a powerof distress ? Something, he thought, may be gradually done to lessen the evil ; and though, on a first view of the question, lie thought it would be preferable to bate the subject to.itself, yet be assured the Noble Earl he was disposed to give every attention to what had fatleu from him; and if.any thing in the way of remedy occurred to his own mind, he should be happy to suggest it ; he rather despaired of such being attained in the way now proposed. The Earl of CLANCARTY was of opinion the sub dd. in question was one not of great difficulty, but elicacy, and should be agitated with the greatest caution. He concurred with much of what had fallen from the Noble and Learned Lord, and added, that the state of these things was such in that part ot the United Kingdom, that sucks a measure as was no'v procitte3 would have the effetq of an cx post faao law. Fie . noticed the extent to which the d radice of kuu letting and dividing prevailed in Ire.' lArld ; so much so, that nt!tarly the whole county of Tipperary, was in that predicament. The praetice, however, was becoming less eery day. Not was such a Si - WC: fei of tenure, a little prevalent in this country, of w' ten cases of 'pit-rent were an in stance. Ft- should not oppose either the first read ing or the printing of the Hill, and,would feet 4ppy could a n y sa etiettual remedy be suggested tor the evil in Tie ttion. The Earl oh SUVFOLK diade a few observations re . speeting the ditticultit,s (of which_ he cited an in stance) that olnaitted,in the:vresent state of Ireland, of providing efficacious remedies for the mischiefs complained of, Which, however, he was glad to learn from a Nu . )-le Eirl, were progressively diminish- ing. Lord HOLLAND deecrecated the undue' treat ment. uich he said the measure of his Noble Friend experienced on its first introduction, and he, (or one, conceived it. very possible to introduce a . remedy witeout intringlng the fundathenial laws of pio; : erty. The measure of his Noble Friend had his hearty concurrence, and what fell from the Noble ,Lords opposite proved the propriety of sending it to a Committee, in which alone alterations and sug gestions for its amelioration could be regularly dis cussed. The disturbed state of Ireland had not a little been adverted to, and the very extensive sys , torn of sub-letting, and the pra&ices of the middle men were held to contribute to that disturbed state ; it was then the more incumbent on the Huuse to adopt every pra&icable means that presented itself, of allaying these disturbances, and redressieg the evils which exist in that couutry. The Earl of • CLANCARTY spoke in explanation. The LQxD CHANCELLOR assured the Noble Lords, that he was not inattentive to the subject. He be lieved the general feeling was, that the Bill should be read a first time, and ordered to be printed. He was fully aware of the great extent of the subjeCt to which it referred, and felt that those who wished to do itjustice, must attend to a vast mass of considera tons which appertained to that species of property in bOth parts of the United Kingdom. The Noble and Learned Lord seemed of opinion that some le gislative provision may be suggested, as applicable to tue subject and advantageous to Ireland. Earl STANHOPE spoke shortly in reply. Ile thanked the Noble Lord on ,the Woolsack for the candour of his observations, but contended the Noble and Learned ,Lord who spOke first did not under steed the provisions of his, Bill, which, when it was printed, he hoped he would honour with a reading. 10 reference to what had been observed by one or two of their Lordships, he noticed the paucity of Magistrates in some parts of Ireland, and expressed his apprehension, that under the existing system the w was administered oftener against than for ,the peasantry of Ireland. The subject of the Bill was far from being the only grievance the poor in Ire land laboured under ; the oppressors of Tithe Proc . tors formed another part. He felt he had but duue done his duty in thus coming forward on an exten sive and prominent part of those grievances, and in submitting what he conceived to be an adequate re medy to the consideration of their Lordships. The Bill was then read a first time, and_ ordefed to be. piffled. The Insolvent Debtors' Bill was read a second time, and the other Bids upon the table being for warded, the House adjourned till to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS, THURSDAY, APRIL 16. Mr. SHAW presented a Petition from the Corpo ratiun of Dublin, against the Catholic Claims.—Or dered to lie on the Table. Sir J. NEWPORT took the opportunity to observe; that this Corporation of Dublin had recently refused to grant the freedom of their City to. Major ,O.Du nogbue, for his gallant conduct at Tarifia, solely on the ground that he was a Roman Catholic.— He left . the House to judge of the value of a peti tion from a body who could ,be guilty ut such b.got ed condua. In a Committee on the A& relating to Tobacco pipe Clay, a Resolution was agreed to, to permit the exportation of it. The report 'was ordered to be received on Monday. Alter a few obsertations from Mr. D. GIDDY, on the injury which .the Bill threatened to Lords of Manors, the Report of the Derelid Goods Bill was agreed to, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. Mr. PARNELL. preiented.a Petition from the Ro man Catholics of the Queen's County, complaining of the disabilities under which they laboured, and prajing for emancipation.--Ordered to lie on the table. The Irish Partnership Bill went through a Com mit tee, the Report of which was ordered to be re ceived on Monday. ;Mr. HORNER presented a Petition from Mr. Matk Anthony, au Irish Barrister, resident in the Isle of Man, complaining of the mal-administration of the law in that island, and praying for redress. Ordered to lie on the table. Sir J. NEWPORT, adverting to the state in which` the-House frequently was during the trausaaion ,of public business of great moment, gave notice, that henever a Bill of importance was in- progress through the House, to which or to any of the 'clauses of which lie might entertain what appeared to him to be valid objections, it the attendance of Members was insufficient to consitute a House, he would, without hesitation, notice that circumstance to the Speaker or Chairman, in order that an adjournment might take place. On the (notion of Sir G. HILL, there were order ed to be laid before the House an Account of the Quantity of Plain Linen Cloth imported into Great Britain, for the three years ending the sth January, 1812, with the duties paid on the importation ; and an Account of the Quantity of Pieces; Ells, and Yards of all Linen, Cambtie, &c. exported, for the same period, with the amount of the Impor tation Duties on the said goods not drawn back. CLERKS IN THE NAVY OFFICE. Sir F. BURDETT, in pursuance of his notice, call ed the attention of the House to the hard case of the Clerks in the Navy Office, some of whom had LONDON : Printed by q HOMAS WOOD, of No. 3s, Maiden=lanc, Covent-garden'; and Published by WIT LIAM ARMIGER SCRIPPS, South Molton-stteg, Gr/svevot-square, AL OW 61.Tza OkEIGE, No, 112, Strand, whets Advertisements, Qrders ter the Paper, Laiers tor. the Editor, (post-paid), must be addressed. been 20, 2 a, and 30 years in their respea've situa tioni, without any increase of. emolument.—Their advantages had even been diminished, and ill's false economy was peculiarly severe and unjust towards several, who had purchased Sheir situations of Lord Barham, when he was Cotnptrolter of the. Navy, and who were thus apparently swindled out of their. money. If he found Government disposed to in quire into this subject, he would withdraw his mo tion ; if nor, he Must press 'it. He then moved, that there be laid before the House an Account of the Number of Clerks employed in the Navy Office, specifying their Salaries and Emoluments, and the pet ibds of their services, as also copies of the Me morials presented by them to the Navy Board, &c. Mr. YORKE could not see any distighishing fea ture in the case of the Clerks of the Navy Offir.e, which should induce the House to take intd con sideration that case in preference tO the case of the Clerks of any other office under Government. With respect to what , bad been said by ,the Hon. Baronet,. of the - diminution of their advantages, the filet was, that in tsin, the whole establistimerti had very pro perly been put on a new footing; the fees had been abolished, but the salaries had been increased. The Hon. Baronet stated it as an aggravation of the al leged hardships of some of these Gentlemen, that they had purchased their situations. All he could say was, that whatever might have been the prac tice when Lord . Barham was Comptroller of the Navy, he apprehended, that at the present day, any person in the Admiralty or Navy Board, who took upon him to sell a clerkship, would - be called upon seriously to answer for his coodud. He should cer tainly oppose the motion. Sir F. BURDETT was . still more determined than es!! r press the question, as the observations of the Rig .t Hon. Gentleman gaVe it an importance which it had not before assumed.. If the Right Hon. tletuan thought that the praCtice of selling Clerk ships was so improper, then. ought the conduct of Lord Barham in that respeet to he made the - subje63 of a Parliamentary inquiry. Mr. YORKE, in ex; lanation,guarded himself from the inference of having admitted that Lord Barham, when Comptroller of the Navy, had actually dispos ed of Clerkships in the Navy Office. All that be bad said was, that whether that was the fa6l or not, the Clerks had no public ground to complain. Sir F. BURDETT replied, that there was no doubt whatever of the faet.' A division ensued:— For the kotion Against it Majority -41 A Message from the Lords announced their Lord ships' Assent to the Irish Spii 2 it Warehousing Bill, the Pilots Regulation Bill, &c: ; and that their Lordships had given leave to Lord Ross to attend the Irish Finance Committee. - Afier a lew observations from Mr. KEMP, the Mail Coach Toll Exemption Abolition% Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. FRAUDS IN THE LICENSE TRADE. Mr. W. HERBERT rose, tor the purpose of calling the attention of the House to the frauds and perju ries- in the License Trade. He expressed hls sur prise that his Right' Hon. Friend, a't the head of the High Court of Admiralty, had not felt it his ittiN pensable duty to attend such a disrm.sion. This surprise was increased by the following circum stance. He (Mr. H.) having submitted to the Right Hon. the Chancellor-of the Exchequer, a list of the-Papers for which he was desirous to move, in order to ascertain the probability of any - objettion to' them, , was told by the Right Hon. Gentlem that before he could consent to ;heir prodoOion, he must consult the Judge of ,t he High Court of Admi ralty. Having so consulted his Right Hon. Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer told him, that he should feel it his duty to resist the produelion of any documents whatever on the subject. He did con ceive, therefore, that after such advice had been given by his Right Hon. Friend to the Right Hon. Gentleman, lus Right Hon. Friend was more than ever called upon to appear in place, and to ex plain his reasons for that advice. The reason as.' signed by, the Chancellor of the Exchequer was most extraordinary, namely, that it would be extremely inconvenient to grant the Papers, which he . (Mr. H.) required ; because, it those Papers were grant ed, it would be necessary for 'Government on their part to move for the production of Papers relative to what was called the neuturalizing system. When the House considered the nature of this neutralizing system, he was persuaded that they,would agree with him, that a more extraordinary reason for op- posing his motion could not have been advanced. The neutralizing system was an attempt on the part of neutrals to cover and disguise the property of the enemy. Against this attempt, all the vigilance of the Officers of the Crown had been exerted. How then could this case be,considered as parallel With those frauds in the License Trade, which had been connived at, and 'even promoted and encburaged by the Admiralty COurt ? The Honourable and Learned Gentleman con cluded with moving a Resolution to the teklowing effect " That this House observes with great regret, the system of "fraud and perjury recognised and protected by the High Court of Admiralty, as justifiable sad necessary under pre sent circumstanCes roe tne,suioport of British Commerce. — That the abuse to which it is liable, and the depraved ex ample which it holds up to the nation ' have dangerous tendency to.the subversion of the fundainental principles formerly acted upon, and to introduce a disregard of truth into those Courts where truth alone ought to be spoken, while it aimed at .a monopoly of commerce to the exclu sion of neutrals from the enjoyment of their rights, and to the subversion of the most sacred principles,or the law of Nations." Mr. ROSE shortly replied to the leading• points in the speech of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman. Mr. PONSONBT moved an Amendment. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER • opposed it at some length. Mr. H. THoRNTON explained. Mr. BROUGHAM . spoke in favour of the Amend ment. • Mr. MARRYATT and Sir J. NICHOLL opposed the motion. Mr. A. BARING Mr. THOMPSON, Mr WHIT BREAD, and Sir J. NEv PORT supported it. Mr. 'Ross and Mr. MAitaYATT explainod, and Mr. HERBERT replied. The Amendment to the on motion %vas car tied, but upon the question bring put upon the ()ri• plat motion as auirncled, it was negatived without a division._ On the" motion of Mr. WIIITBREAD; Cop;es of Licensts grantcd for the exportation of crrtain goodi and manutaaures under 51. per pan, was ordered to be, laid before the'House. The Home having resolved into a Committee on the Irish Tobacco . Sip-JOHN Nawrotur renewed hiS obje&9ions to two of the clauses, ,the one fixing a price under w Welt Tobacco should - not be sold; and the other for rendering void all bills, notes, or other securi , ties, which should be given for the purchase of To. bacco, at a less price than that prescribed in the other clause.. He contended that nor Mug could be more injurious to trade than to attempt to fit, either a minimum or a maximum on the price oe, goods ; and he' said, it once the principle was laid doWn, it would be impossible to foresee where it would step. It would be said to be a very great hardship upon a merchant who wanted to raise money to support his credit, to be prohibited from selling his .own commodities even at a lower price than.thei Mr: W. VOLE admitted, that as a general prin- ciple, nothing could be more objeBlonable than that of fixing a minimum; but he contended that, in the present Case,, and under the peculiar circum stances attending this trade in Ireland, the provision in question was necessary. The whole of the wes tern coast of -Ireland was full of harbours and bays, int() which vessels from America, with smuggled Tobacco could easily run in ; it was therefirre ne cessary to adopt every possible measure for the pro. tectiori of the Revenue and the • fair trader. This provision which the Hon. Batonet objected to, could only operate upon tho,e persons in Ireland who took out Licenses to sell Tobacco, and so far were they from objecting to it, that they highly approVed of it,.as the most effectual means to proted them from the Smuggler. This Clause was not now introduced for the first time by him ; it had been inserted in every Tobacco Bill since the' thirly first of the King, and if any grievance had been. .felt, most undonbtedly the Merchants would have com plained. With respea to the clause for render •ing void bills and negotiable securiti e s, he was of opinion, upon consideration, that that part of the elapse shoo;d be omitted, and therefore he should propose an Aineridiiient to that effeEt. A conversation ensued between Mr. Horner, Mr. Shaw, Mr. Baring, and the Chancellor of the Es.- chequer, after which Mr. Pole's Amendment was agreed - to, ond the Committee then divided upon Sir John Newport's motion for leaving out the dame— Ayes Noes The other orders of the day were then disposed Of, and the House adi3nrned. ' PRESERVATION OF CLOVERS.—The untin:lified success of an experiment made by a distinguished agliculturr: :cot:len:an in the East patt.of the courity of Dxset, has at length supplied this desideigitis in- hu , ,barldry. The - outline of the method, is to". plough' the yowsg clovers up, ht the commencement_ of the severity of winter, and to replace them on the surface early in the spring, by running ;:he fur row back, aid . A part;cokr a co,,ont of ; this curious bat simple process is, wilt that i _bet al of communication t eculiat to his Lordship, prepar ing to be laid before the Committee of the Counl • Agricultural BDard. The Devonshire, breed of oxen are now the fa vourites with ,our agriculturists : their docility its harness, 'and their aptitude to become fat, being found superior to any other stock. The 'plant called Dog's Tongue, which grows it) abundance in every field (the cynogliannze o/Jicinale of`Linnaeus), has been found to possess a very va luablr If gathered at the period when the sap is in its full vigour; bruised with a haminer• and laid it) a house, granary, or any place frequented by rats and mice, those destructive vermin ,shiff. their quarters. The success of this method is equally speedy and infallible. BIRTIIS. Lately, at Torquay, the Viscountess Hamilton, of A Daughter. On the 16th inst. in Grafton-street, the Lady of Colon 4 Grant, M. P. of a Son. _ AIAKKIAD. •On Wednesday, at St. Mary-le-bonne Church, George,. Weld,; Esq. youngest brother of Fhomas Weld, Esq. 01 , Lullworth Castle, to the daughter of Bohn Searle, Esq. 0 Lower Seymour -street. The same day, at Finmore,,ixi Oxfordshire, Dorset. B. 1, Newman, Esq. Captain in the Royal Bucks Militia, 0- Mary, daughter of William llolden, Esq. of Harpur-street:. On the iith inst. at St. lames's Church. Bristol, the Ref. R. Govett, Vicar of Staines, to Miss Sarah Romaine* youngest daughter of the Rev. Dr. Romaine, of Reading. , Yesterday, at St. l'ancras Church, 1. Ord, Esq. ° I Doughty-street, Son of the late Ralph Ord, Esq of Sands• Durham, to Mary, daughter of the Rev. lames Birch, It for of Coritighain, Essex. At St. Ann's Church, Dublin, Dr. Auchmuty, of Ath lone, County of Roscomnion, nephew to Sir Samuel A twit muty, Bart. to Harriet, tointh daughter of the late Richard Bourne, Esq.. of Fathard Castle, County of. VVeXford, land. DIED. On the 6th inst. at Send, in Surrey, eked 66 years, IVIr• lathes Howard, late of Paper Court Farm, near Risley. On Sunday night, at Southampton,'Abraham Pet her, Eaq' aged 56. • On the isth inst. at Bath', at an advanced age ? 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