The Sun. — London, England, 1846-07-17 00:00:00

Co URT Cl LA R. Tke Queen end P: once Albert reek a c,,rriage drive on /V4la ne`dti ef .11, in the vicinity of Osborne House, itbd the royal chit ren took airings. - Earl Spencer took his departure from Osborne House yesterday. tler Majesty anti her Royal Consort took an early wail( yesterday in the pleasure grounds. Their Royal Highnesses the Prince of Wales, Prince Alfred, the Priecess Royal, and the Princess Alice, peat ou t Ina carriage yesterday forenoon, to the beach. the Countess of a'S4I t is the Ledy in Waiting to her ~l sty, keir R oya l Hi g h nesses the D uc h es s of Cambridge !ti ' - ` 1 the He , editary Grand Duke a nd G ran d D uc h ess o f M eck'enbur g h Strelitz, attend e d by M r . Ed mon d Mild- Y' honoured the Dowager Duchess of Ilaiford with a • visit yesterday afternotai, it her residence Cam mien-le 11, huingtoa. In th e me r i ng t h e i r R oya l Hi g h nesses noured ti e E ir l an d C ountess of 'jersey with their "Meetly at (limier at their residence in Berk...,ley-equare. The` Ducheg. o f ('-itnhrid ge and the Hereditary'Grind 1) ult e and Grand D'eehes- of Mecklenbereh S:relitz, ii'attended by Lad)" Aug tqa Cartogan and Mr. Edmond c_i hopoured fil e M arqu i s an d Marchionessess _ , nrlearde mitb ir:coinpany on Wednesday evening, Atheir resitteesee on Carlton House-terrace. deputation of the m er ch ants t ra di -g to the Cape ‘11:1 Good Hope had an interview yesterday with Earl e r t'Y et the Coloni oaf l-effi, to represent the alarming lte of the Cape God Hope, arising from the Kaffir Z i t niniun i nto t h e eastern part of the colony. The depu kboh was introduced by M r . J o h n M asterman, M . P, ; ' B 'B W• 1 ' CGreig, Mr. 'erei eoree W. Dickson, .Ni" Joseph Bl ac kb urn , M r . Frames Codtson, esers. .J. 4 .-.l2loinson and 11. Wat s on, M r . P atr i c k H ome, an d t• James ' Howse, merchant, f rom th e l oca li ty o f t f e bl`r, .1 meeting of the Commi ss i oners o f the Metrorolitan p r ovements was held yesterday, Ther e were p resent li(sp o unt Canning, th e L or d M ayor , Si r C . L emon, the At t ". e* A. Gor e , Si r R. I ng li s , M r. H . T . Hope, and A.. ilne. chirhe Right Hon. Fox Mettle had an interview . with . the . an eener of the Exchequer )eserday at his official re s ia l‘ence Downing -street. d ay t• Cayley had an interview with Earl Grey yester b.litHenry Ashworth, Mr. J. B. Smith, and Mr. Evans, net ititervieN with the Itgat Hon. T. Milner Gib 'll Yesterday at the office of the Board of Trade. c ol ? ,- petati ons were sent last evening f rom th e efi • f th G lemon of the' West India-• o or e " 11 ss. 1 ,, le h.o re S e t' Righ t Honourabl e F ox M au l e h as arr i ve d i n town eetland. MAJESTY'S THEATRE. a iir —ls t evening her MajeAy's theatre was crow:fed . to Pllimeation. Long before the doors is ere opened an im ens ' crowd of well 41Nssed persons assembled, anx (ius -(11. udinittunce. The crush was terrific, and by . a quarter after s , ren o'clock there was not a place in the theatre from vi L •iiich a view of the stage could be pro cti,grelt unoccuied. The opera was Barbiere. beta ern ,aets Of which we had the last scene of Lalla Book k, who, • is of what o, as conscious was to follow, ,:rPassed herself in the celebrated Pas de Neuf. She, 1 , 114 rap . turously applm:_ied : and was cithed before Ise curtain at the contiusion. After .. . the v l e st a s . t it a L t Of the Opera came the great attraction of the i g ltßlioni La Gittna. N(vor was there such a moop "n as that given to the deesse last evening. Round after round of applause greeted her appearance. It seemed as though her adorers would n. ver tire in the enthusiasm of their worship. At leegth the ballet was suffered to proceed, and her fiNt pas seul brought down tmewed plaudits. Then came the mazurka, which was , t . _ perfe c t triutnp'n ; and th e won d er f u l pas do deux (, the last act, with St. L eon . Thi s pac is, perhaps, b„. th e ,with dtev.vre of Taglioni, an d never d'd s h e d ance Tbexquii.itely, or In .k better than she did last night. Y is 1 % that she is determined to leave the stage ? laeNblie cannot spare her. The world has prod iced n obakspere—one Garrick—one Mozart—one LopeCata dZ Taglioni. 'I he last aluno W is left to us. by it (it the sce ne o f her triumphs so soon ? But 'di us eless to inquire. She is without rival, and, like ei:ti Monopolists, her will must be obeyed. All we tori h ti ,„ ; . Is to express our gratitude to Mr. Lumley g secured to u- the presence of th e de esse f or eltaii„,, nlu re nights. But we mus t not, forget ectrl- I v i th La Gitana,. the exquisite . Spanish pas )wi th hiel t the b a ll et conc l u de s. She gives this pas as 44 energy, a decision, a perfection, that stamps it the Pas de caract4re in the strictest sense as d i t hr use, for there is character about the p 14%, a ge(11 by Tagiior4i. It is truly a nazi, a! qtiet6 b.raLthty—fa,cinotting, yet ,I•rie ;14g. engaging, yet proud the Gnaw! as Taglioni is an epitome of the Spanish natuinel Doia - ,„‘"r---but an idealised epitome—for Taglioni is . a 4 ed thr h.tlo of poetry around every thing wHr 0 , she b'ush'es. She was called for at the conclusion B eer,e, and received the worship of a theatre,. ; " . 4 the words of Victer Hugo, wAs overflowing -- eibap a n i - Platliie, light, end flowers; but while rendering 4 ot r - to the deesse par excellence, we must kippouNet. the minor divin i ties. She w.is admirably „ l ultl a" by St. Leon in the pas de deux; 4 „rbe 4 ;"usin Louise Taglioni in a pas with Madll4. nnd Cassan, proved that she was not unworthy Att. se th c "Me she bears. She is a true Tajoni. The , f the sa k oanmbu, with Castel!an as A m i ne , La c : " t a , , t,, Gitana. and the grand Pus de Ma sque f rom eluied th "'" , With Lucile Gratin as the heroine, con- Thars"aY " " ( if the t 4 tit; ments of this, the greatest "long Pttt, Cr IN TELL I GEN CE. LIVERPOOL JULY MEETING. . WEL•NESDAY CONCLUDED. Match, T. Y.C., 200, h ft. k o 4 „, I'd Stanley's Abdul, Bst 7lb (Butler), beat Lord Gas f by ItetrieYer, out of Canada, Bst 4lb ( Holm. a). Mat e 4on Abdiel. \Von by a length. 'tate of 601., for three yrs old, 7st ; four vrs, Bst s!h; fire Yrs, Esc.: Bst 121 b. Mares, &c., allowid3lb3. ,as Emile and a h a lf. rGreen's Lady Ilarkaway, 3 yrs (W. Abdale) 3 1 1 Smith's cby Jerry, out of the Maid. 3 yrs l4 4 17. Lancaster's Mons;.eur Perrot 3 yrs 2 3 2 ''‘r• R. J. Mostyn's I .;hartist, 3 yr% 4 2 3 7 , CUP BP ZTING.—IVEDNESDAY EVENING. w 4 agst Mendicant (t) 12 to 1 ap,rst Higwayman (t) V, to 1 agst The C• v toi Conjuror (t) 12 to 1 agst My Mary (t) 11 , ab,st Lightning (t) 14 to 1 agst Satyr _..th:Lagost Y . (t) 16 to agst Plaudit (t) Ath t wmg expected to start ;—The Baron, Inheritress, t.4o444:!‘;ol%irlonrt,rempiyd,MYaarrsd.ley, Highwayman, Satyr, Mendi raieal. , Plaudit, Mongrel, Best Bower, GOODWOOD STAKES. 5t 4 agst The * Hero Iloto 1 agst J(sna th an Wild agst C amera Obseura I 33 to 1 agst Newcourt. DERBY 14 to 1 agst r. 1847. 'an Tromp (t). (RECEIVED THIS MORNING). A L IVERVOOL RACES.— U ILSDAY. . 41 `i'esp of 10 sovs. each, and 25 added. One mile . ta and a quirter. (5 Subs). l A‘ 5 11 , 4 r3 Tour4le b'orce, 3 yrs, sst 111 b (lrvine) 1 Ise( • Alice 5 yrs, sst 10lb 11 4. _ IN ' ' to 4 on Tour de Force. Won by a length. _ " Fo a 2 1 . 7. 26 sec. Sakes of 100 soya. each, h ft ; for colts, &t 61b; V 4 lonm and !lilies, Sat 31b. Once round and a di:4. 4be Ci v "Vison's lago, allowed albs ... walked over ' of 2,- k l'Puul Cup of 3001., added to Sweepstake (Handicap) t each, 15 ft, and 5 only if declared. The second 4 11.: ', C'elve 50/, (99 Subs). Lightning, 5 yrs, &t 6lb...(Templeman) I loiluttio's Plaudit, 4 yrs, 6st 61b.... 2 fi t atrwiek's Yardl e y, 6 yrs, 7st 101 b... k yt e ft.llowitig also started, bu! were not placed: —Mr. 5 y r t° ," ' ' the tia,ou, 4 vrs, Bst 71b—Mr. Skerratt's In!repid, 1216-M,. Ilkhwayman. 4 yrs, ist 71b— %11..1,ilarnis's Satyr, 5 vrs, 7st 21b (carried 7st 51b)—Mr. Yry 3 31, taliemit, 3 vrs, 7-t—Mr. Green's The Conjuror,'3 s" -It 12 Ib—Lo , d G. Belitincles Illy Marv, 4 yr-, 64 101 , 6 n 1 110,er's As You Like It, 4 yrs, 64 sl6—Mr. Drinkala s tlt . ire,, 4 v-s, 6st stb—Mr. Ilaworth's Robin BUI'II9, 4 vrs, ,41)-.114. Cranston'l Cranehrook, 3 vrs Est 41b—Lora G. ,t,philt•k's 11,-st Bower. 5 yr , . 6st—Count liathylny's 4 gical, 3 vrs, Sit 610-31 r. W. Scott's Dritlield, 3 3,•re, 316. 4 , telt Inc —6 to 4 agst 3lenilicant, 8 to 4 1 agst Yardley, 10 to 1 i1..31 Satyr, 10 10 the 'm C.dotUart.r, 1 agst My Mary ult by a length, on b eating the third by a head, l 'ungrel tiiurt 3len •• • w THE bai 'o MA ICI. The contest amongst t'e gni: lemen of theduy's Club. fur 4 Cups, ,Dair o' Silver the Om of Mr. P. W. Thompson, took ree on Tuesday evening, and was not concluded until a ,te hour in the evening. The races had been arranged in ,l'rk' se heats, and the row tig was very excellent.. The dis 'ne- in the tw that It ats was frcm Pti:ney to Hammer ll-h,idg,,. thit in t , le 'apt i'. was reversed, , .loirs, Ileat.liessrs. Cox ar.d Edwar..'es (rd and white), 1 , Collins and Squireit (red). 9. ,l second se , cond pair wt. tit away .w:th the lead, but opposite 41 Aril. spade's e=tahli4tment, near Fin h's Grounds, were t lavne,r.haubm by th e i r oppoaents. A smart race o f a 6 h ort dis . e resulted in th e w i nners going away and ultimately winning esile. Second 1-loat.-I.l.zrews. For:te r and litetAll,t• (1 - One). 1; (yellow), •)-)riN,,l_tintlittr Lloyd and Gwynn and white), 0. Tit,y in .1, a - pti and Poland 011ie strong pace away to get h, r . pl ue VL'la . rt, a 1:1 , ,weal at a and won 1/N follr lengths 1 gr. d u illy drew away, d i Gran tLat.—Fostia Fuld lirenehlt=y, 1 . TA .,, . 2; Cox nd Edwards, 0. li. was a vets httAtlr..i.:'"(l,G,i.nvivienrn: and Gwvtin ' - o, , li,the lead, closely f0t1,, w ,.. 1 i;g ... lt i :tt, Lloyd who challenged them al; ut , tile Crab Tree, an w ent by .. t Trte tact was c..ntested warmly to the last. Won ' ''""' by 4 length and a half. PEOES A sporting match came off -ii elnesday, a Bonif nee of the Ci - proad (11r. Browning) backing lums 2 lf to r un on , t orte in 7 minutes, his weight being 16 slime. The pendere Zt. l4 pedestrian started f rom the foot of the - bridge in th e n Y-road, and accomplished a measured mile to Moores e ul 6 minutes 45 seconds, with comparatively trifling distrs-s. h e betting, which, b e f ore s t arting , was at long odds on ante, was taken chaerily by the friends and accittaintanccs w le Worthy host; but, after the first halt' mile, the " odds h er e merellen in then even" the other way. At least 1501. must bar e fato the pockets of the puray performer. f ," 311 1. lionEnT PEEL.—The nignir:p, after this health -= the Rio, t H on. B arorie t, on Wednesday, were very nu- S Robert took a carrLge airing in the afterne(n, a le 's days he will no nouot be able to attend the • of Common. kl%‘; , GRAND JURY SrsTrm.—The following is ft 4i"" of motion O ven by Ald erman W oo d i n the Court of t7llArmen, an,t to be dizeussed at the next Court, when a attendance of members is expected, and it is believed vtry considerable majority will vote in favour of the of fi 01 the splein :—•• That it be referred to the mn -4414ir General Purposes to inquire into the present state e tif intlistration ofjustice in the G , ntral Criminal Court reg 3 existence of grand jurors, teal to report to co u ' di r t wheth , i- or not th can be safely dispens e d th at ;,t1 should th e Committee entertain the alirmative, Ak) taeii thi-y report to th© Court what substitute, if any, ieeu,dadopted, or w h at course wou l d be beet adapted to • ' 441 : life trial of iyisoners, and by what means such mom . 66444 103 14064." 1 a ': - .IIIPERJAL PARLIAMENT. HoZ;NE OF I.oiiDs, July 16. Their Lord-It:pa met to-day Four o c:oek. ROYAL ASSENT. The royal tvseat was given by Ct.mtnission to the 101 l ing public and private Bills, The Lords Commissioners, who arrived shortly after four o'clock, were the Earl of Minto, and Lords Cotten ham and Campbell. The following is the list of the Bills, 92 - in all : Election Notices (Ire atid). Dublin, Dutidnatn, and Enniskillen Railway. Leeds and Thirsk Railway (North-Eastern Extension, north to IlAttlepool). Scottish Central Railway (Allo. Branch). London and Birii - tingtonn Railway (Camden and Euston Stations Enlargement). Slamanuan Railway (Bathgate and Jaweraig Branch). Leeds and Thirsk Railway (St. Helen's Branch Devia tion). nis and Thirsk Railway (Keureaboreugh Extensieb). nabergate, Nottingham, and Boston and Eastern Junc tion Railway. Midlard Railway (Ereaash Branch). Midland Railway (Clay to Nee ark). Deeside Rail v. ay. Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ai drossan Railway. Morningsiche and Coltness Belie ay (Cale donian Blanch). Wilsontowie Morningside. and Coltneas Railway (Im provement and Branches). Wilsentown, Merningside, and CoWiese Railway (Bath gate Breech). Midlan" Railways (Nottineum and M ensfiebi Breech). Etet t,n i Yorkshire Junction Railway. rengshire Sin land Junction Ralway. lire t Western and Uxbridge Railway. Wexford, Carlow, and Dublin Junction Railway. , Great Lsinster and Munster Railway (Carlow to KA- It 4 ney). N. rte Hallway (Dereham, W ilts, and Ralteney Ex tension). Can brido and Orford Railway. Reading, Guildford, teed Reigate Railway. NON mai !tee and Chi stei field Railway. f.: neon and South-Western Railway (Farnham and Alton Brerreh) London and South-Western Railway (Chertsey and .1 4 1.4tiain Branch). Lotidrn and S , :uth.Western Railway (Hampton-court Branch). Danhfane, Doane, and Callender Railwar. Lancashire and Yorkshire (North-E.sterreßailway).. Morayshire Rail va • Menkland and lieltintidoch. Railway (Chapel Hall B anch). Seotti,h Central Railway (Denny Branch). Bristol and Ex. ter Railway (Crewsiosie Branch). L non:. and'llirmin A hani .dway (A. lesbur) Raiisv,t3 Purchasc). St. lelyn's Canal and Rail say. , Morecont he Hartuair and R tawny. ‘Vskerield and Poreefreset Wen) (Extension Branches) Midland Great Western Italie ay of Ireland (Muliingar to a' w ay). Shoed i, Ashten-under-Lyne, and Manchester Railway (Deekibfield and other Betoiche.). Glisgew, Paisley, and Greenock liai:way (Polloc an Govan Branches). Scottish Centre; Railway (Pei th T •rmini and S ations) East Of Fire Railway. Scottish Central Railway (Crieff Branch). Mencle stele Buxton, &c. Railway (Huy tin , and 11%,r ringron Branch). Mallow and Fermoy Railway. Limerick, Ennis, and Killalce Junction Railway. Great Southern and Western Railway of Ireland (C, Exteesian). M mutruellick Junction Railway. Chem& and nudes Railway. Cork, Blackrock and Passage Railway. Killarney Juncticri Railway. Glasgow and Northern Terminal Railway. Stirling and Dunfermline Railway Midland Railway (Burton to ..Ntineaton Branch and Ashby Canal Purchase). leneion and Birmingham Grand Junction and Manches ter and Bimini...ham Railways Amalgamation. Eastern Counties Reilwae (Epping Exseitsiai). Wiahaw and Coitness Railway (Greenhill Extension). Newcasile and Wrwick Railway. Waterford, aVexford, Wicklow. and Dublin Railway. Midland Great Ws-stern Railway of Ireamil (Liff) Branch and LongfOrd Deviation). Kilmarnock and Triton Railway. Wakefield, Pontefract, and Goole, and P r t o!' Dublin and K ugstown Railways South Leith Church Bill. Chard Canal Bail. Moukton Gas Bid. Yeovil Markets and Fairs Bill. Manchester Markets 88. Bath Waterworks Bill. wport and Pillguynly Waterworks Bill. Bristol Waters orks Bill. iVitham Navigation Acts Amendment Bitl. Ardressan Muni- ipal Police Bill. Aston Rates Bill. Schoolmasters Widows' Fund Bill. Reaffsbire Roads Bill. Kielseame's (or I)uddnosse's) Estate. Videan's Estate. Abbess of York', Estate. Wauchope's Estate. Derides's: Estate. Tyson's (or Culleu'a) Estate. Deltenton's Estate. Mackenzie a (or Thompson s) Estate. Creagh's Divorce Bill. Curtis's Divorce Bill. Messengers from the Commons brought up several Bills, which Win ordered to lie on the table. COUREC OF CLERKS BILL. The Bishop of LONI:ON said that, with their Lord ships' permission, he would move that the order of the day for going into Committee on this Bill be dis charged. He did so principally in . consequence of the advice of his Noble anti Learned Friend tin the Woolsack, to whom some of the provisions of the Bill were objeae Boilable, anti who had promised that if the Bill were postponed, he would devote his first leisure Baas before the next session for the purpose of drawing up a Bill to rem; dy the present state of things, which every one must admit required creatalteration. Unless the Church . were armed with greater power for the punishment ot such as were her ministers, and who had disgraced them selves, the Church, and the morality of the people, must suffer great injury. The order • if the day for going into Committee on the Bill was accordingly discharged. The Bishop of NORWICH presented a petition in favour of this Bill He was decidedly of the same opinise, as his Right Rev. Friend as to the necessity of some such -measure as this. He knew many instances in which clergy men of the Church, notwithstanding their awhl preffigacy, retained their living:, and it was almost im possible, units r the present law, to dispossess them. — (Hear, heae) He himself had convicted one 0! this sot t of disreputable clergymen, but it hail cost him 3501. To the h etour of the clergy of his diocese he has received addressed from them, thanking him for his conduct in that case, and 150/ was raised and paid by them into the_ Nora ich bank to defray as tar as they could the expenses to which he had been put. This showed their anxiety to maintain the disci pline of the church as well as the great diffi culty and expense , of punishing the .guilty. Livings might be gambled for, and yet the bishops were disabled from putting a stop to such nefarious proceedings. He did not grudge the mom!) . that was expended in the prosecution of clerical offenders, for, in his opinion, money could not be better expended. but surely it was high time that something should bs done by the Legislature to make it an easier matter than it now a a- to visit such offenders with just punishment. The LORI) CHANCELLOR said that some Bill of the kind sae necessaly, but he thought it inexpedient to discuss its prsvisiens at present. As the Bill had been withdrawn y the proposer of it, he would not take up their tirne in alluding to it further; before the next session of parliament he would consider the propriety ' of bringing torward a Bill to carry oat the intentions of the Right Rev. Prelate. The aW-ject then dropped. PROTEST AGAINST THE CORN IMPORTATION BILL. le - .rd RADNOR complained of the courrie.adopted c!rtain L..rds who h a d signed a protest agehnst the, C. Bill, but who had never been in the House during the discussion of that measure. He thought: the practice quite unusual and objectionable. Lord BROUGHAM thanked the Noble Lord for re ferring to the subject. The practice of voting by proxy, and protesting by proxy, was sanctioned by the Irish Parliament, but it had never been usual in the British Parliament. He thought, however, that the Noble Lord ref: reed to had acted through inadvertence, and from not being aware of the r gulauions" which obtained in their Lordships 11 use regarding protests. ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR. rh. - LORD CHANCELLOR prese :fed a Fetition from th 3 clergy of the diocese of Leicester against the Bill for the tiniest of the sn s of St. A-aph and Bangor, and Ft%) - iug their Lordships to provide a bishop fur Manchester. The Male p of OXFORD presented a petition from the Archdi-acon and clergy of' the erchdeaconcy ot Oxfs,rd, against the Bill which proposes to unite the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor. The Right Rev. Prelate would conclude by laying on the table the petition of the University of Oxford against the union of the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor. Lord S fItAieBROKE presented a blubber of peti tiens relating to railway Bills before the House. Bri : tr f , tuhtlaes-i, irrgruisg)fLANSDOWNE laid on the table th e a turt s : m furnished by the Registrar-General of a ndD t 11 s. LORD GOUGH AND LORD HARDINGE'S AN- The ing up of M ara . ; NUTTY BILL. LANSDOWNE moved the bring so prayed iv r iB i t aor t of :his Bill, and in doing o o r n ig n i i n ni al the Bill be restored to its pr t-I sht grest, d that the first duty imposed t h e ri.z.et course, whieshitua..tioe should be the taking of th not like due ackeeeerni:.gibt construed into some him to rei.dered by he illtistr:ous indll‘nt of the great services h,,„ ee r, the ghest sense in quiesi r en t. He felt e t i ( a ) -at i set vices mnderrd,. le a :!ther House or still his duty t., the public Parliament compelled given, and to ttr place ensidtehre thßeilldeicaisioints thoe)r-igitniaadi form. Before asking' them to take that step, it would be neces sary Ihr him to go into the circumstances that h a d led to the proposal of the grant in questi on . lie was bound to say, 10 'king at precedents un d er si milar eireinte;tances, anti looking at the substance of V a Bill, it seemed to him that it did co: - for on these i<tinguislied individuals F o e _ quate cerepcn3a-i a. This was his decided view after taking a gl ; ,f“.. at similar circumstances in the history of the eteletry. de would en 4 &Lathe, attention of .0;0 Z 476 1.0:t LI - I - 4i a e.acial* ilkilat &wi s h • . . • • THE SUN, LONDON, _ FitiDAY _3 - 1. ' 61itN11 4 4a6-, 11, 1846. the Crown. Ile begged his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Brougham) to remark the exactness of the words of the message, which very words had been engrossed in the preamble of the Bill. Her Majesty stated that she deeired to make provision fur Lord Hardinge, in support of the dignity which had been conferred on him, and in consideration of his great services. He said the House of Commons had passed this Bill at the suggestion of the Crown. Now this House had the same Bill be fore it. It was an understanding between the two Houses that their Lordships' House should not alter a money Bill, yet this House proceeded to do so ; but he defied the Noble and Learned letrd to produce one instance of thus increasing a grant after it had come from the other House. The consequence would be that the Bit would be lost. He acknowledged the high merit of the Noble Lord's services in the field, and her Majesty had conferred the dignity of the peerage upon him, a reward which had been received with approba tion by the country. He said the Noble and Learned Lord asked :or instances, and he could give him one in which the poverty of a Noble Lord was made the sole basis of provision. He would not give the name. Another ease he recollected, in which it was supposed that the Peer had sufficient to support his dignity, but it was found afterwards that he had not, and provision. was made tor him on that accoant. He would not men• Lion the name. He begged their Lordships to consider what would be the coact of leaving this lysticu'ar point to: caprice or to chance what effect it- would have on the mind of military men who might have conferred on the in this expensive honour. ft appeared that the sum of 5. : 0001 a-rear, and 2.000/ a-year were to be granted to Lord Hardiege aid Lord respectiveiv , by the East. India Company for the purpose of maintaining the dignity of their positions in that House. He quite agreed with his Noble Friend the lute President of the Board of Control, that these grants wt re to be made out of the funds of the East India Company, with the cons en t o f h er M a j es ty, an d it was necessary - for her Majesty to give her consent be fore any such grant could here me valid. It was, there fore, evident that it was only as servants of the Crown that Ministers could take any notice of the making of the grant, but it was equally evident that as such ser vants they could not do otherwise than take notice of it. He had aevised her Majesty to give her consent, and such being the case, they had agreed to bring in an Ail of Parliament for that purpose, and he would remind their Lordships that in the event of the Bill being altered in that Reuse, there was a possibility that • the annuities might be lost altogether ; and he intreatea, therefore, their Lordships, for the sake of the army, for the sake of the officers, and for the sake of their families —for it should be remembered that the position of those .amilies depended upon their vote that night- to confirm he decision at which the other "louse had arrived. The Marquis of CLANUICARDE lid( that he had to justify bunseiffor the vote which he was ab .ut to give, for he had, lie must conft , ss. changed his principles. Ile had certainly voted in opposition to the annuity the other night, but tie had done so witheut sufficient consi deration, and without once reading the Bill %% h eh con iained the clause, which it was now desirable to erase, and which his Noble Friend (Lord Monteaele) had so strongly inveighed against. It now appeared evident hat this grant must have the consent of the Crown; and here was the further consideration that arose with re Bard to the position of the Governmeet, and the circum stance sail: more important as regarded this debate ; that these grants were not made so much as rewards for the services which had been rendered as to enable the Nobie persons en whom they were conferred to support the dignity of the Peerages which had been b: stowed upon thew. It should be observed that the grant t Lord Hardinge was limited to his own life and that of his two succeeding heirs male, while that of Lord Gough was limited to his own life alone. The Neble and Gallant Duke on the cross-benches had rightly reminded them that as it was the duty and the privilege of the House of eommons to make grants of public money, if this Bill were altered at all the annuities might ba altogether lost to the noble persons f'or whom they were intended, and should, therefore, vote with his Noble Friend. The Earl of GALLOWAY was surprised at the vi tuperation of a Noble Lord connected with Ireland, not now in his place, the other night, although he had -abstained from moving the amendment. Like the Noble Marquis, he had come down the other day ignorant of the clause which regulated these annuities, and was anxious to justify himself from the charge of inconsis tency. But seeing that not only the Noble Duke (the Duke of Wellington),• who had spoken from the cro:s benches, but that other members of the Government, of which he was a member, and also several members of he present Governtntnt were induced to alter their mode of proceeding s he felt that, though just contrary to the vote which he had previously given, he should vote with the Noble Marquis (the Marquis of Lana lowne) on ,the present ocefieion. The Earl of WICKLOW quite agreed with the Noble Marquis, the Postmaster-General, (the Marquis of Clanricarde), that this vote ought to be sustained. He could not forget that the Noble Lord, from whom the proposition hed originally emanated, had refrained from putting the amendment himself, but had expressed a de erre that some other Noble Lord of greater weight in the House would put it to the House. Then up jumps the Noble Duke on the cross•benches (the Duke of Rich mond), and put the vote to the House, and thus secures :he Noble Baron's vote. Truly he believed that no one was more surprised at the effect of his own eloquence, than was the Noble Baron himself ; nor any one, he believed now, that more regretted it. Seeing, then, the ebange of parties in the country, and the change in the Ministry, and the possibility which existed, that in the event of their not acceding to the proposition cf the Noble Marquis (Lansdowne), that the annuities to the two noblo persons for whom they were intended might be endangered, he should certainly go in opposition to the vote which he had given the other evening. He thought it would be imprudent and impolitic to adhere to the decision which had been taken on the former on _iasion, and he called on them to support the Bill in its original form. After a few words of explanation from the Marquis of LANSDOW NE, The Duke of RICHMOND said he must deny the imputation that he bad ever said anything reflecting on the character of le•rd Hardinge. What he stated was, that Government should take care to prevent a divided command in India in future, and to take care that the Governor• General should not be second in command, lie must say in taking the course he did on the present Bill, he was not in the least degree actuated by party or political considerations.—(Hea r , hear.) The Earl of GALLOWAY explained, that he had no intention of attributing any such motives to the Noble Duke (the Duke of Richmond). The gallery was then cleared for a division, when there ppeared— ' For the amendment (restoring the Bill) 47 Against it IS after the hat:le of Talavei a and a brilliant cam. , paign in Span, was made a Viscount,, and received p,nsion of 2,0001. a year. This w as considered ade quate compensation for the great services rendered thin, and therefore he thought the provisions of the pre sent Bill, as it original!) , stoood, was ample enough to meet the case of the distinguished individuals in question. If they were to inv.ke any alteration in the present 8,11, they would be doing more for Lord Hardinge than had been done for those who had rendered the most re markable services, mad obtained the most splendid ad vantag , fS which had accrued to this country during the last war. According to the tenor of this Bill, it was arranged that the stun of 3,00(1 alear should be given to Lord Hardinge, and the sum of 2,0001. a-year to Lr , rd Gough, over and above the sums which had already been voted by the East India Company, with a view to enable them to support the dignity of their peerage in that House. If this Bill were to be passed in its present shape, it won'tf be giving more than had ever been n in any pre'' , ioui instancy. In ord« r to bring this matter propel ly heft re the House, he should remind their their Lordships that the annuities, to w hieh reference had been made,' had been granted by the East India Company, and were in Wet a part of the government of the Com : paly, Thus then, in tact, there was the guarantee of the State. Now it was well known that as the East India Company could not guarantee anything without the atchority of the Saver,-ign, the Ncble Lords who were about to enter upon the enjoyment of those annuities would have the benefit of the Sovereign's authority; auAl the ret lv, therehqe, to those who rook a stand upon this Bi - 1 was, that there was only a temporary interest in tee possession (it these fy whom the annui ties were granted, but he thought that what re bad ju-t ,laced was an asurnnee that that ground was invalid. In , or disapprobation had been given by Lord Ellenborough On account of that circumstance, the province continued to be administered to by Sir C. Napier in a manner which was, as the Hon. Member had said, totally dif ferent from the manner in which the other provinces of India were governed. He believed that in the month of Jury, 1844, the Court of Directors of the Esst India Company addressed a communication to the Governor-General of India, and advised him to propose fur their consideration a plan for the civil and military administration of the pro vince of Sinde, in conformity with the usual prac tice in such cases. In consequence of the important Matters which had to come under their considera tion with respect to the affairs of the I'unjaub, and al,o several other weighty matters, the Governor- General had not sent any plan, as he had been advised by the Court of Directors. In December of the same year the Secret Committee made a similar communica tion to the Governor-General with respect to the expe-', diency of governing Snide like other provinces ; but the Governor-General, up to the month of June in this present year, had not returned any answer, nor sent to any place. He could inform his Honourable Friend, that on the 24th of June (that was June last), ' ,itnilar orders had been sent out to to the Governor- General with regard to the annexation and government of Sinde. Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN wi,hc d to ask the Hon. Member for Montrose, whether, with regard to the discussion on the Charitable Trusts Bill, which came on yesterday, he (Mr. Hume) had any objection to plstce on the votes of the House the clause as amended? Mr. HUME said he would do it on Wednesday next. the ease of Lord Cothoriv, for whose eminent :ervices in Canada a pension had been granted by the North West Company, the same course had been observed. The object of granting that annuity was to enable him to maintain the 4,nity of his Pec rage in that House, and no doubt had ever been started of the validity or the permanence of the grant. He (the Marquis of Lawdowne) had a long list b;!fure him of distinguished individuals upon whim similar grants for similar ser vices had been conferred. The first he had upon that iist was the Marquis of Corn wallis, 4 whom he had known in early life, and of whom he never could speak but with tl7e tumost respect. Then there was the late Lord Wellesley, than wh m no man had renderud more eminent s rvices to his cournry in Itdia. TLese, and ali he rest, were rewa,rd,d ju . st in the same manner ; that there was little doubt of the continuance of the Annuity, especially when it was recollected that if the interest of the East India Company was a contingent interest, the (7rottt n held the r,version. Again, he must Nanlntl their Lordships that if this Bill were to be car ried in its pr• sent state, the amount conferrt.d woe], _urpess aii the lavish txpe.atiture of the last war, when tie curie, cy was depteeint,d, and, consequently, the tt , tal stuns w re of less value. And, further than this, he must also big to remind them that if they refused to :ic,,ede to this proposition; they would be entering into a or.test wish the other House of Parliament, which has, at all times, assumed the right of managing the public money. It a - ould be expre, sing an opinion contrary to that House ; and, in tact, would be ending down an n:led money Bill to that House, and then by he likely 10 create an increased jealousy in that House, a hit+ was. an evil at al times to be deprecated. Thee was no no doubt but that the representatives of the potpie were !he proper persona to impose the taxes which the people had to pay, and to direct the way in which they ought to be levied. On this very day he had received a letter from a distir:guised lad,: regarditig p rson who was the subject of this convex- satiou, and who was alike distinguished by her owe merits and for ha- ancient descent. This was Lady Emily Hardinge, now Viscountess Hardinge. This lady stated that she anti her family—and she was quite saru that their feelings were quite in consonance war those of LOrd Harditige himself—she stated that they were perfectly satisfied with the amount of the allow ance and the way in which it was conferred. She was the grand-daughter; of the first Lord Camden, than whom a more excellent lawyer and upright individual :serer existed. She was the niece also of the second Lord Camden, who renounced the per tentage on the Exchequer, which he was granted in consideration of his public services. He (the Marquis of Lansdowne) hoped, therefore, their Lordships would rescind the vote which had been come to on this question on a former occasion, and vote for the measure brought in by the late Government, The Duke of ItL2IIMOND opposed the motion. His r,pinion on the subject was unchanged. The Noble Marquis stated that he bad received a letter from Ladv Hardinge, in which she expressed a desire that the sub-_ . . would not cause any division in their Lordships' [louse. Ile (the Duke of Richmond) could not, how ever, look upon it as a private question. It was on public grounds he opposed it. There were few prizes in the lot of a soldier's life, and the ability, energy, and courage displayed by their armies entitled the to the . highest rewards the country could bestow. He would lILK, (lid the grant of foreign lands to the Noble Duke, in consideration of his great services, weigh for a mo ment when the Parliament of this country rewarded his lorious achievements ? No, the country considered that it was deedly his debtor, notwithstanding all the rewards he received from foreign powers. He (the Duke of Richmond) was surprised at the conduet of his Noble Friend (the Marquis of Lansdowne) in taking the course he at present adopted, fur three weeks ago when the Bill was read a second time he did not vote at all, but went below the woolsack. The Noble Marquis—also the Postmaster General—would, he hoped, adopt the same course he did then, and vote against the measur , —(Laughter)—end he trusted the Noble Lord (the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster) would not go `,elow the woolsack, but express his opinion unre ,urvedly on the Bill. lie saw no reason to alter the opinion he formerly expressed, and he would firmly resist the moticn of the Noble Marquis. The Earl of RIPON defended the course adopted by the late Government in regard to the present measure, In questions of this kind it was difficult to fix the precise Amount to be affixed for such services as those which had bwett rendered; still he thought enough had been named in the all. In the case of Lord Nelson, for the brilliant ,ervices he had rendered, the utmost sum granted was 300/. a-year. In other cases the same principles of economy had been olkerved. It was a painful circum stance to interfere with a feeling of generosity, but he thought it was the duty of the Government to see that no undue application of the public money was made. With regard to the case of Lord Hardinge, he was in India the representative of the East India Company, and had advantages and emo. iuments such as did nut fall within the reach of those who held office under the Crown. The'company had, on many occasons, conferred great advantages on those who held office under them. Lord Clancarty, Lord Cornwallis, and other Governors General of India had received pensions and large grants of money. Lord Hastings received no less a sum than 60,000/., and his son l'ad also been treated with great liberality. Lorei Wellesley had also been treated in a similar spirit. The grant proposed by the company in the present instance was said to be offered independent of the execu tive and the Legislature, and that that grant should not be allowed to regulate the one proposed by Parliament. But this was not the fact. The Government was 1 , irtually a party to the act of th, company, as the latter held its charter under the Parlia went of the couctry, and conducted its operations it, harmony with it. If they gave reins to their generosity they would involve themselves in continual diffichlties. They ought to deal as liberally as the circumstances would warrant, but nothing more; and he was per ,uaded, thatif a grant of 8,000/. a year was allowed to Lord Gough, it would be the means of serious incon venience in future, when similar cases were to be con 4dered. From all precedents, and judging from the circumstances of the case, the late Government con- Majority for the Government ....... 29 The report was then brought up and received. Several Bills were advanced a stage, and the House ljourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 16. The SPEAKE4i to'ik the Chair at Four o'clock. NEW MEMBERS. Mr. SHELL (Master of the Mint) took the oaths and his seat as Member fur the birough of Dungarvan. Lord A. PAGET also took the oaths and his seat as Member for the city of Lichfield. MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.—ROYAL . ASSENT. fir Augustus Clifford, the Usher of the Black Rod. ippeared at the bar, to summon the Speaker and the Rouse to hear the royal assent given to several public and private Bills, (for which see Lords' report). The SPEAKER returned after the absence of half . an hour, and informed the Rouse of the Bills to which the royal assent had bcen given. A messenger from the Court of Chancery brought up zeveral returns. MANCHESTER AND SOUTHAMPTON RAILWAY. • sidered they could not go further than the provisions contained in the Bill as it originally stood. He did not wish to cast the least re flection on the distinguished in dividuals in question, as he felt it a high honour to have been connected in office with the Government under ...hich such great men ha i achieved their brilliant vic tories; stilt he was bound to act in the way he now proposed. Lord BROUGHAM said he had not spoken on the previous occasion, when the Bill was discussed, but since then he had carefully considered the question, and he must on the present occasion vote against the amend ment which had been proposed. As he understood the question, the real matter was the propriety of granting sufficient sums to the distinguished individuals in ques tion, in order to enable them to maintain with dignity the rank of peerage which had been conferred on them. On the motion of Lord E. BRUCE the Manchester and Southampton Railway Bill was read a third thnr and passed ; as were also the following Bills -rate Market, Cambridge Improvement, and Estate Bill. DERBYSHIRE, STAFFORDSHIRE, AND WOR CESTERSHIRE JUNCTION RAILWAY. . . The report upon the Derbyshire. Staffordshire, and Worcestershire Junction Railway Bill was coziaidlereti and agreed to. EDINBURGH AND GLASGOW UNION CANAL. This Bill was read a third time and passed.• SLIGO SHIP CANAL BILL, Much as had been said on the other side, this was the real point they should keep in view, and the wording of the preamble of the Bill showed that such was the original intention of its introduction. lie argued, that the consequence of this doctrine would be, that where a peerage was conferred on a distin guished military officer, that House would make inquiry into his private fortune. He did not see what the Go vernment bad to do with the East India Company and their grants ; for although he admitted that their grants could not pass without the sanction of Parlia ment, still that did not make their money the money of the Government, or of the public ; the money if not bestowed in that way could remain in the treasury of the Corporation, and never would pass into the coffers 4* the Exchequer. Ile said it was difficult to limit the d for military services. Ye s ilt might be asked, whsi. Cher 5,000/. was not enough for Lord Hansinge ? but he anseered, that he had betore this, seen 2,0001. and red ribbons given to men for services which, in after years, if their fame ever should pass into after years, would make men raise their hands in wonder, that so illiberal a reward had been bestowed on the brilliant actions of Sir Henry Hardinge. As for the constitu tional question, he agreed with the Noble Lord (Lans downe) that it would be better far that the privileges of .he people's representatives should be left unquestioned by them, arid uninterfered with. Bat he contended, for the privileges of their Lc rdships' House, that their Lordships had a right to exercise their judgment on the Bills sent up from the House of Commons, and were not to swallow either the whole Bill untouched, or to reject it altogether. The letter from the Noble Lady, which had been introduced by the Noble Earl, affecting and powerful as it was, had just an opposite effect on his mind, from that which it seemed to have produced on the Noble E-trl's. Perhaps the letter might have been ex• peeted from the grand-daughter of Lord Camden, and the daughter of the late Marquis, but he contended that from a sense of justice to Lord Hardinge, stimulated by the generous and disinterested conduct of the Noble Lady whose letter bed been alluded to, their Lordships tu.t.-ht to deal liberally in this cue. The Duke of WELLINGTON said he had been in the Government when this Bill was introduced into the House, and, therefore, he begged to submit a few ob servations to their Lordships. He begged their Lord ships to r. collect that it was a money Bill sent up from the Commons, proposing agrgit made under a standing Corder a am Litfilool Muided upv2 wsilipz from i way and Wearmouth D oc k P ur - This Bill was read a third time and passed. DUBLIN WIDE STREETS BILL. Sir J. Y. BULLER brought up the report on the Dublin Wide Streets Bill. AYRSHIRE AND BRID GE O F WEIR RAILW AY. On the motion of Blr. D UNCA N , the Lords' Amend ments to this Bill were co nsidered a nd agreed to. y Gloucester and B l\l i a l. nchester Railwa Bill. LORDS' AMENDMENT. The Lords' Amendme nts to the f ollowing Bills were considered and agreed to : Ashburton, Newton, and South Devo n Railway. Bill. B B i u r e m k i i n n g gh ha a m m , si L ii i re ch n fie l l i t an sy d Dean WycombeF ores Forest Railwayßailway ailw3 Bill. a ß , ill. London r GeatWe n s t t , e a rn and Croydon Branch) Bill. Newcastle and Darlington Junction Railway (D ur h am chase and Branches) MIL and Sund , rland Rai Railway (Th ames Junct i on South Wales Railway Bill (No. 2). THE ANNEXATION OF SINDE. Mr. HUME. seeing the Right lion. Baronet the Pre sident of the Beard of Control in his place, wished to ask him a question w ith res p ect to S i nde. He wished to know if Sinde had been annexed to the British empire, as was declared by Lord Ellenborough to be the; intention of Goverment, in the same manner in which ileylon was annexed ; or whether it was to be considered as a por tion of the possessions of the East India Company? If so, he wished to ascertain what course was to be taken by the Government, as the government of that province was altogether different from any other place in the East India Company's possessions, as it was in neither pre sidency, nor had it a civil government, but it was governed by a single officer. Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said, that in answer to the question of the Hon. Member for Montrose, he begged leave to tell him that the province of Sinde was a pro. vince kept by the East India Company in trust for the Crown. The Hon. Gentleman would recollect on perusal of the papers which had been published by Lord Ellen borough with respect to Sinde, that Sinde was annexed in the usual manner by notification, and the management of it had been entrusted by Government to Sir C. - Napier, who reported his proceedings . to the Home Department. When his report was received, it was determined that he should continue to govern the province of Sinde in the manner which be bad t . piftiaed 0 t t t ea; andat cleabigi no ail s i MINISTERIAL POLICY. Lord JOHN RUSSELL—I stated that I would to day give notice to the House the general course of policy which it is the intention of her Majesty's Govern ment • to pursue with respect to those Bills before the House, and I will do so in moving the consideration of the order of the day. On Monday I will state to the House the policy which it is the intention of the Go vernment to pursue with respect to the sugar duties. I will then unfold the •plan we con, sider ought to be adopted, aft( r which I propose to adjourn the further consideration of the question until to morrow week (Frida ) It is now late in the session to lose time, and I will make as little delay as possible ; at the same time I propose a short Bill for the continu ance of the sugar duties for one month, or until Parlia ment shall otherwise ap: rove.—(Hear.) With regard to the Poor-law Removal Bill, I gave' already stated my general views respecting it to the House, and what is further proposed to be ch•ne will be stated by the Seere• tart' fur the Home Department. The next Bill before the House is the Drainage Bill. Some Members of the Gore nment will undertake the care of that Bill, with the hope of carrying it through. The next are the Bills brought in by the late Chief Secretary fur Ireland—one of the most important of these Bills, the Ejecttnent Bill, it is our intention to adopt with some slight alterations, preserving especially that clause which prevents the seizure of growing crops. We also propose to proceed with the Lease Bill ; but with respect to the Tenants' Compensation Bill, we find the machinery so exceedingly complicated that we will postpone it for further consideration. There are some other Bills affecting Ireland, regarding which the Chief Secretary for Ireland (Mr..Labouchere) will be able to answer whatever questions will be put to him. There are some Bills which are now in the House of Lords ; one of them is called the Small Debts Bill, which is a Bill similar to the one which has been in troduced by the former Gcvernment, and which has been repeatedly before Parliament. The present Government entirely approve of the general purport of that Bill, and although it is a Bill of great length, i containing many provisions, they do hope that they will be enabled to obtain the sanction of Parliament to it during the present session, as it is a measure of very great importance. There is another Bill, which likewise is at present in the House of Lords, which the Government do not propose to take into their own hands unless necessary, but which I trust will obtain the assent of Parliament—it is called the Religious Opinions Bill. That Bill was introduced by a member of the late Government, in the name of the Government, and, therefpre, is a Government Bill. I trust that the author of that Bill will continue to take charge of it; but if he should not do that, some mem ber of the present Government will then propose that Bill in its present shape. There are many other Bills which are not of great importance, which we propose to go on with. With respect to other measures pro posed to be introduced I will not give any detailed notice. I will only say that, looking at the improve ment of waste lands in Ireland as a subject of the greatest importance, we shall endeavour to introduce a preparatory - measure ; and it it is ne cessary to tisk the aid of Parliament for any measure of that kind, we shall do so this session. At all events we shall endeavour to take steps between this time and the next session for the introduttion of aone measure on the subject. These • are the general ,tatements I have to make, and I beg to move that the orders of the day be now read. POOR REMOVAL BILL. On the order of the day for proceeding with this BiJI being read, • Afr. E. I)ENISON, who was for some time inaudible front the noise which prevailed after the Noble Lord sat down, was understood to say that the Poor Removal Bill would cause great injury and great inconvenience in many parts of the country. He begged leave to ask the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary for the Home Department whether irremovability or settlement was contemplated by the Bill. He was sure it would not meet with the approbation of the Hon. Member for Finsbury to grant irremovability without settlement. The word irremovability was a word not to be found in any dictionary, and it related to a condition of lite not to be found in any law-book. Before that word could have penetrated the understandings of half the com munity it might have to be swept totally away. He (Mr. E. Denison) thought it right to tell the Noble Lord at the head of the Government that there was one remai k able deficiency and one great defect in his administration; there was one great thing wanting, and that was a want of adequate representation of the landed interest of this country. He said the great towns were amply and powerfully represented. The law was represented more than it deserved— (Laughter)—but he looked in vain t*.,r any powerful parties to represent the interests of the land. In the Government were the representatives of London, Manchester, Halifax, Nottingham. Sheffield. Devonport, and Edinburgh ; end when he named Edinburgh, he would not do justice to his own feelings if he did not mention the Hon. Member for that city (Mr. Macaulay), not less celebrated for his great talents than for his upright and noble conduct—an ornament to an Administration. But he looked in vain for any re presentatives of the land. There was Lord Lansdowne, an owner of land in England, and also in Ireland ; there was Lord Grey and Lord Morpeth—(Hear, hear)—but. Lord Morpeth had his character as a representative of land in the manufacturing interests of the West Riding. and in the membership of the League. —(Laughter.) He said, Lord Grey, in pressing on the abolition of the oorn- laws, had said that land rents would rise from fifteen to twenty per cent.—(Hear, and laughter)—and he could only be regarded as a sanguine prophet.— (Laughter.) When that had occurred he might rise into credit; but he (Mr. Denison) did not think, that at the present moment especially, he represented either their interests or their views. As for the Mem ber for Halifax (Mr. C. Wood), he was no representative of the land by his own address, and he (Mr. Denison) found him applauded in the newspapers as the represen tative of the manufacturing interests of the West Riding, and the repealer of the tax on wool. If this was ade feet in any Administration, it was so particularly at the- present moment, when the landed interest hail 'eceived a rude shock from :he hands of those from whom it had least reason to expect it. I•he landowners required to be conciliated towards the measure which had lately passed. If at any time it was a defect in a Ministry that it did ri.,t represent the landed interest of the country, it was. particu larly so at this time. No person could say that he was one who wished for anything like exclusive privileges, for on a former occasion, when exclusive pt i • vileges were sought to he afforded to the land, he had thrown his weight into the opposite scale, and had been denounced as faithless among the faithful. At the present moment the lauded interest had no quarter to which to look for receiving a due attention to Liteir interests, while questions seriously affecting hem were about to be brought—forward questions upon which they would feel deeply ; there was the Law of Settlement Bill, the Highway Rates Bill, the Turnpike Trusts, and other Bills affecting the question of local taxation. He begged leave to tell his Noble Friend that if his Administration was to last, it must be by its mea sures that it would last, and that the defect: in his Ministry to which he had alluded, he was sorry to say, was one of such a nature as to prevent him giving it that degree of confidence which be would otherwise hate been happy to aford. Colonel WOOD thought that the Hon. Member who last addressed the House should have allowed the Noble Lord to state the course which he intended to pursue , before he had attempted to find fault with his Ministry. He thought that his Hon. Friend was somewhat mis aken in the view he had taken of the division of the Poor-law Removal 'Bill. The question of settlement was one which was not proposed by the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the late Administration when he first announced the measure. It was a Bill merely to prevent the removal of paupers. The clause affecting the settlement of the poor was introduced afterwards by the Honourable Member for Maldon (Mr. E. Denison) himself. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that he took the liberty a few evenings ago to put a question to she Noble Lord as to the principles upon which the Government was to be conducted. That question had excited irritation in the Noble Lord's mind, but it was a question which the country would require to have answered. Let them look at thevstate of the House at present. Nobody knew where to sit.—(Laughter.) Sitting on the same side with the Noble Lord were those who had hitherto been his bitterest enemies. The reason of this was, as he understood, that they had been informed that. none but the extremes would be _dissatisfied. Now this required explanation. Every Prime Minister in coming into office had stated the principles on which he intended to act. Tho Noble Lord ha►dd said that he should conduct the (;are, ment on the principles whic i h he had hitherto laektuj i 'ow,vivilo could put a ;fight coustractiog upoit that ? Nobody knew what it meant. To what period of his life did the Noble Lord allude ? Had he said, I shall act on the principles of Lord Grey's Government, he (Mr. Duncombe) would have understood him. Then there was another question. Had not the Noble Lord applied to Sir Robert Peel to lend him three distin guibhed members of the late Government ?—(A laugh ) Now he (Mr. Duncombe) wished to krow if such ap plication had been made. If the Noble Lord were to go to Guildhall now his reception would not be so gratifying as it was a few days ago.—(Disappro baiion.) Why, let the Noble Lord try it.—(Laughter.) He (Mr. Duncombe) had seen some of the Noble Lord's constituents that morning, and one of them said he was afraid they were going to have the old Whig dodge again. He read at the time a statement made in a paper called the Weekly chronicle, which was composed with great ability, as everything which proceeded from the pen of his Hon. Friend the Secretary of the Admiralty was written with great ability.— (Loud laughter.) He read that ten days ago. It stated that there could be nothing more absurd than the rumours which had beep circulated, and were hourly c'rculated, about the new Ministry. Every hour had its lie, and every lie its believer. That was one of th it crotchets. They could comprehend the crotchet of a Peel mania, a Sid ney Herbert mania, and a Lord Granville Somerset mania. If there was to be a fusion of parties to make a Government, let them have Sir R. Peel and Sir J. Gra ham, and they would then have something for their money. (Laughter.) The Sun also had its rumours. The Sun says, " We eannot c moire a system of Irish gu vernment in which Lord Lincoln is the confidential agent." They heard this as an absurd rumour in which then, was not a word of truth. The Times also be comes the confidential organ of the Government Would any man in that Hi,the say that they were not entitled to au explanation ? The country whose desti nies the Government was about to direct were also en titkd to some explanation from them—(Hear, hear) — and he therefore did expect that the Noble Lord would have been anxious to have stated the principles on which he intended to conduct the Government. He (Mr. Duncombe) wanted to know what were the in- tentions of the Government. The Noble Lord had re moved part of the difficulty, because he had told the. House that he meant to conduct his Government upor the principles that he had always advocated, and. the opinions he had always expressed. Well, then, he (Mr. Duneombe) also wanted to know what were the Intentions of the Noble Lord with regard to the Irish Church?—(hear, hear.) What were the opinions of the Noble Lord with respect to the Irish Church last year. His (Mr. Duncombe's) Hon.urafle Frknd he Member - fir Sheffirld (Mr. Ward), moved upon the discussion of the Maynooth Bill. That it is the opinion of this llouse that any provi *ions to be made for that purpose by the present ought to be taken from the funds already applicable to ecclesiastical purposes in Ireland." Now the Noble Lord supported and voted for that motion. Well, then, he wished to know whether that was to be the principle upon which the Government was to be di. rected on that subject ?—(Hear, hear.) Let the House know whit was the Governments' intention. The lion. Gentleman opposite, of the country party, wh] had a dinner the ether day at Greenwich. (Great laughter)—declared, amidst cheers which spool: the house in which they mi t to its foundations, that their principles were the same in 1846 as they were in 1841.—(Great cheering from the Protectionists.) But he should like to know what were their principles ih 1841.—k Laughter, and cheers.) Did they not in 1841 come to a resolution that the Government of that time had not the confidence of that House, and that her Majesty should be prayed to appoint a new Ministry?—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) And yet, were they not now support ing that very Government in whom they, in 1841. declared they had no confidence.—(Cries of " No, no," from the Protectionists.) They did support them, or why did they sit on the same benches. (Hear. hear, and cheers.) Were they now prepared to support a Government favourable to the Maynooth endowment, when in 1845 they declared themselves de cidedly opposed to it ?—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord supported the Maynooth Bill, and in doing so, said that it was but the prelude to other measures involving the endowment of the Roman Catholic clergy. in Ireland. A Noble Lord (Lord Howick) who was then in that House. went still further, and said—" I will take the Protestant Church revenues and apply them to the R.:man Catho lics in the first instance, and the remainder to the Pro testant clergy, lzecause those revenues of the church originally belonged to the Roman Catholics."—(Hear.) And he would call upon the Noble L rd to state wheth--1 he does entertain his old opinions with regard to al! finality of the Reform Bill.—(llear, hear.) Thet there was another question which he desired to be informed upon ; he was anxious to know what course would be pursued with regard to the Bill for restricting the hours of labour in factories. The Noble Lord had given his zealous support to that Bill during.: the whole of the last session, and he has now the means. by a great majority, to carry out that measure. He (Mr. Duncombe) hoped that that important measure would not be left to the care of private individuals. He recognised in the Government of the Noble Lord several opponents of the measure. He, therefore, considered that these were circum-tances which required, which demanded explanation; and in his opinion it was the interest of all parties that we should no longer be deceived, or allow ourselves to be deceived.--(Hear.) It was a charge against the late Prime Minister, that he did not deceive any body, but he allowed other to deceive themselves. It is necessary that we should know the truth—(Hear, hear, hear)—that we shouht know the worst, acrd what we have to expect trom this Government. If the measures of the Noble Lord are extensive. and conceived in a liberal spirit, hr. could promise him the greatest possible support. out of doors. LordJ. RUSSELL—When the Hon. Member asked me the other day whether I was prepared to lay a declara tion before the House of the principle's upon which the Ministry of which I was the head would be conducted. I declined to undertake the task. I took no offence.: as the Hon. Gentleman seems to suppose, to that ques tion, but it did not seem to be necessary that a person who had taken a part—perhaps an unwise part--perhaps an injurious part to the country.—in the discussions of this House, but who had always taken, at least, an open part in these discussions —(Cheers)—when he was (-ailed upon by her Majesty to. form a Government, anti had succeeded i❑ inducing persons who, in his opinion, Were competent to conduct the affairs of the different tae• partments —to share with him in his responsibility-1 say, when that was the case, I did not think it necessary to make a general parade of the opinions and principles —a parade is very easy to make—(Hear, hear)—of de clarations which may convey the sentiments of a large majority in this House, and yet when that parade i. made may leave Members as ignorant as they were before as to the precise measures which the Government means to introduce. I did not, therefore, think it necessary to make any such de clarations, and although the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Duncombe) has alluded to various persons who have before filled the station which I have the honour to hold. and who have made these statements, I am at a loss to call to mind when such dr clarations were made, or who were the persons who made these general declarations upon entering office. Mr. DUNCOMBE—Lord Grey. Lord J. lIUSSELL—I do not know that Lord Grey made, in the House of Lords, a general statement of the principles on w hich he intended to conduct his Ad. ministration. Ido not recollect that Lord Melbourne did so. Ido not recollect that Sir Robert Peel math any such declaration. Both my Hon. Friend the Mem her for Malden (Mr. E. Denison), and th, Honourable Gentleman the Member for Fins bury (Mr. Duncombe), have made various comments ant criticisms upon the composition of the Ministry, ant have asked—at least my Hon. Friend the Mt mber fut Finsbury did so—various questions, to some of which I shall proceed to give an answer. I own I think, consi dering the past history of the commerce and manufac tures in the country, and how vast a portion of the wealth of the country depends upon commerce and ma nufactures, I think it rather unjust, as a criticism mad. by t(.e Hon. Member fur Finsbury, ilvit there are to-. Inany in the Cabinet connected by family with land, aril' too few persons connected with -commerce and manufac tures. On the one side, it has I?..en said that AO. Pre- terence has been given to the landed and, on the other, that the manuraerdrerk of Lancashire and York bhire are hencetbrth to govern the country. I deny holding any such sentiment. I hold myself that not lot land, not for commerce, not fair manufactures, the affairs of the country should be managed, but tl at the Government s h ou ld b e con ducted for the benefit of the whole. I do think hat by the manner and the measures whereby they fulfil their high trusts the Members of the Government ought o be judg- d, and not from their connexion with land b) birth, or with law by profession. The Member for Finsbury (Mr. Duneowbe) asks, whether in constructing the Government I did ask the aid of those gentlemen who were colleagues in the late Government ; and the Hon. Gentleman puts it in that spirit of l e vity with which he entertains the House.—(Hear, aLd laughter.) - Did I ask the Right Hon. B a r one t to lend me three o' his colleagues?" I hope the House will not understand the answer in the same tone. I did ask the Earl of Dalhousie , he Earl of L'atcolu, and the Right Hon. Sydney Htrbert to do rue the honour to be colleagues in the Govern. went which I was then about to form.—(Hear, hear.) It was my opinion that I ought not to ask the aid of par sons from whom I differed widely in political sentiments; but these persons have entertained opinions, and advo cated them lately, quite consistent with my own. But 1 did think that it was of great consequence to the honour of my Sovereign, and the peace and well-being of the country that such a Government should be formed that the country should place confidence in it—some placing their confidence in some of the Members, others in others, while all the Members of that Government agreed in the same general policy. I do not say that up to 1841, not up to 1842 and 1543; but I have found myself agreeing with these persons in the opi nions which were advanced ,by them of late.—(Hear.) I supported them when they brought forward measures for the advancement of what is called free trade, taking away restrictions, and abolishing monopolies. I agreed with them when they introduced measures—just in prize ciple, though not wise as to the moment of their intro duction—to conciliate Ireland; and I could not see that there would be any dishonour attached to those gentle men in consequence of their joining with me in the Go vernment. They us-pre:se:l themselves in terms very courteous to me, and they stated that they thought they could not take office in the present Administration. It was, of course, for them to form their own judgment upon the matter, and I certainly cannot reproach my self with doing anything else than my duty to the Sove reign in making that proposition. The Hon. Gentleman next alluded to certain reports which had.appeared in various newspapers. I do not think that it is neces sary for me to enter into the subject of reports in news papars. lam not, of course, responsible for them. The Member alluded to a certain question upon which wialed to know the opinion of toe govatoeuts. - • „_ Jammom•ffamoomma.....l•lll.lll. ".6.14 'll 11 will not deny that although I should not have thought ;it necessary to make any general or vague declarati P, y let that, being called upon to state my opinions upon iti Cat”" - thin question, I think I am bound, so far as I can, give my opinions as to the mode in which tlis - Goveetie • went should be conducted with reference tostitiy-plarte - 'l. ticular question. 1 think, in the first place, that.iteia - note - absolutely necessary that any Govenameafteethouldi„ • - • - be formed, either at present or in thks 4 -fiet -.see i•-•> the members of which should all hold precisely ibe-isinie;' - '"" opinions. I admit that every member of such Stiptitia.V,T_S.kNe't,' - ' went should agree upon the main principles, but it is not necessary that they should all agree upon every question that may come under the consideration of Par liament. Such was the view taken in old times, and such was the mode in which, in old days, statesmen of great name had conducted the affairs of this coisntrye with great success, Upon those principles they bait formed their Ministry. In the year 1784 Pitt had mem • hers in his Government who were entirely disagree" with him on the question of Parliamentary reform—ata very great question in those days, and a very great' question at all times, until the Act of 1832 was passed.- He had colleagues in his Government who disagreed also• with him upon the important question of the slave trade.. Mr. Fox succeeded to the Government of Mr. Pitt, aim • he formed a Government in which were Members dif:- • fering with him on Parliamentary reform, and on the Roman Catholic question. When a Government was afterwards called by Lord Liverpool, Lord Liverpool comprised in that Cauinet members differing entirely on the Catholic question, which I think one of the most im portant questions of the day. Sir, with respect to this latter case, I think that this combination of men differ ing on the Catholic question was carried on too long--- ;et I think it was the question of carrying on a war with France. When it was a question of endeavouring to carry on resistance against a *nighty military chief who threatened the existence and independence of this country, we ought to have had an: Admialetration fully competent to carry cut the various slepartneents of the Government—men who could act together on enost ques 'ions of the Administration, although they rliJered on .3onie questions of policy. Now, Sir, the Right Hon.. Gentleman the Member for Tinnworth , when he formed his Government, seems to have made it with much greater unirormity of opinion, and a greater affinity of conduct on the part of the members of his Administra tion and party generally than either Pitt, Fox, or Lord Liverpool ; but although the Right Honourable Baronet has great talents and great powers of conducting a Ministry, and from various cir cumstances at the time succeeded in his attempt, I do not think if now attempted, it would be very suc cessful again, or advantageous to the public. Now, Sir, say this because there arc several points on which I will readily admit that the members of the Administra tion, of which I have the honour to be the bead, are not completely agreed in opinion. With respect to the opi nions of Lord Grey on the Irish Churches, I do not con cur in many of the statements made is this and the other /louse of Parliament. Some Members of the Adminis tration, again, think that I have gone too far with re spect to the statements I have made with regard to the Irish Churches. I will state at once what is my intention, and the intention of my colleagues, with regard to the affairs of Ireland. I consider the social grievances of Ireland are those which are most prominent—(Hear, i hear)—and to which it is most likely to be n our power to of erd a complete and immediate remedy ; hut by some remedy, and seine kind of improvement, I have te hope that some ten or twelve years hence the country, ly the measures we shall undertake, will be itt a far better state as regards the dreadful destitution and misery now prevalent in it. We have that particular object ill view, and shall endeavour to undertake it. I believe we' are all of the same mind on the subject, and we will not be led away by our differences on subjects on which we cannot effect any immediate good.—(Hear, hear.) Now, Sir, secondly, with regard to the franchise in Ireland—my opinion is, that it is a great mistake to suppose, as some persons seem now to suppose, that there is no immediate connexion between political franchise and social condition. My opinion is, that in proportion as a man is raised by the enjoyment of this fteanchise, which belongs to a free state, his energies and int:tistrY are promoted and he aspires to a better and higher e;')n tlition ; and in so saying I agree with those who hay et been the greatest lights and ornaments of that House,. which if I go more into detail I could presently show. It will be, therefore, my endeavour to procure, to obtain, for the people of Ireland the enjoyment of equal political franchise with England. My Hon. Friend tells me that it is necessary that I should make some declaration of principle. When asked on this subject, I gave him this Answer, ‘' As it was necessary I slfould make that decla ration in the year 1836, I contended in this House, though not successfully, that with regard to Municipal Franchise the levelpople of Ireland ought not to be on a politicallower than the people of Englanid." I shall contend in the year 1846, in conformity tcr that which I contended in 1836, and I do look to be able to complete those measures which I have in contemplation . , because I have heard from many of those who are op posed to me in opinion, that they have admitted that the franchise in Ireland ought to be raised to a level of that in England. That is, from those who opposed fit for merly, and it is honourable in those uho change t 1 err opinions on the subject, and who think that the equality ought to be established, to avow that suck is their opinion, and to aid in such endeavOur. With re -pect to the churches in Ireland, and the endowment of the Catholic church, I voted with my Hon. Friend, the Member for Sheffield, in favour of providing for the es tablishment of Maynooth out of the funds of the Pro testant Church. We were defeated by a very great ma jority, and the opinion of the House was adverse to that Brant. I afterwards voted to that end, and gave my zealous support to the Bill for the establishment of May nooth out of the Consolidated fund. I made no difficulty with respect to the Bill, because it was the motion of my Hon. Friend. It is now endeavoured to ascertain my ()pinions with regard to the Protestant Church, and with regard to the Catholic endowment. Ido not think it is necessary I should regard those opinions at the pre sent moment. But that what I must confess at the pr.t. sent moment to be my unalterable belief is, that with regard to what some men propose, namely, the destruc tion of the Protestant Church in Ireland—l believe no worse or more fatal measure can be adopted ; or one less calculated to better the condition of the people. I believe it would be exceedingly injurious, because I be lieve that many of the most loyal in Ireland—many of those who are not attached to the connexion with this country—would be alienated by the destruction of that Church to which they are fondly attached. I believe, in a religious point of view, it would be the commence ment of a religious war ; that there would be that which at present does not prevail—a most violent and vehement attack upon the Roman Catholic reli gion ; and that the Roman Catholics themselves would be the first to blame the destruction of that Church. Well, then, Sir, can you endow the Roman Catholic Church ? Mr. Pitt was of opinion, as is quite evident from his speeches and from memorandums which were left to his friends, that it was possible to endow, or to make some provision for the Roman Catholics by the state, :,1 3 , belief is, that, if Mr. Pitt had carried that measure, he would have carried a nfeasure which would have been conducive to the welfare of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) Conducive to the maintenance of the union.— (Hear, titan) Conducive to the peace of the United Kingdom. --(Bear, hear.) . Now, in conformity with that opinion, I gave my vote In 182 ;. twenty-one years ago, in favour of the motion of Lord F. Egerton, now Lord Ellesmere, .which was to the effect that a provision ought to be made by law for the maintenance of the Roman Catholic priests.—.(hear, hear.) But what do I find at this moment? What I find at this moment is, that generally .peaking, the Church of England, the Dissenters of England, and the Established Church of Scotland, and the Free Church of Scotland. the Estabsished Church of Ireland, the Protestant Association of Ireland, and, astly. the Roman Ca:holics of Ireland themselves— (Loud cries of " Hear, hear")—are all vehement in op tesition to such an endowment.—(Cheers.) Why, Sir, I received a notice this morning— I know not whether I have it with me—but I received a placard from Edin burgh, in which the Roman Catholics at Edinburghuo declared that they w ould resitt to w t o b ot of t t heir t their power any plan for t s h i e r, p_ .i " Cannot say that priests by the state. s yvnx, ti am bound consistently that is a Ineaeure with my duty to b,ing under the consideration of the [louse, until I see some signs of a more favourable dis position towards it on the part of the Roman Catholics. —(Hear, hear.) I should say if that measure, or any measure, were urgent, thtit although it were impracti cable. I might still be f,und to urge it in the counsels of 'he Sovereign, and resign if I could not carry it. But I must confess, with respect to that ecclesiastical ques tion of L eland, there is not that emergency that could induce me to propose any such tneasure ; and I do say that there are measures which may be beneficial—which .nay be highly beneficial to Ireland—(llear, hear)—and which are practicable—(Hear, hear)—and I do not see the necessity of urging forward those which I confess to he impracticable.—(Elear, hear.) Sir, if any Members of this House choose to express, or feel, or act upon as want of confidence in my Administration, on the ground that I acs not disposed, in their opinion, to deal satis- factorily with the present condition of ecclesiastical affairs in Ireland—that Ism not disposed to say that that Church is consistent with all justice, and must be kept up in perpetuity on the plea of maintaining the endow-' meat principle for a Protestant minority, and the volun tary system for the Roman Catholics—that if any persona are disposed to declare a want of confidence in me on that ground, I really cannot help them forming that conclusion. I cannot, in my mind, see that I am per fectly satisfied with that conviction.—(Hear, hear.) I cannot pledge myself, if I found the people of England and Scotland disposed to what I think a more just and useful arrangement, I will not pledge myself to be the opponent of such a scheme.—(Hear, hear.) Sir, my Hon. Friend went on to ask whether I should promote an extension of the franchise ill England. He alluded to that word which has been ofien thrown in my teeth, by those who wish to diminish any reputation I might have in the public, namely, " finality."—(Hear, hear.) Now, the word " finality," be it rcluembered4 was no word of mine,—(hear, hear.) It was a word in7eoted for the purpose of expressing a system to which I nevitAr gave, I think, any countenance. 'What happened was this, that my Lord Grey end my Lord Althorpe—the one in the other House of Parliament, and the other in this House of Parliament—hed brought forward a great measure of Parliamentary reform ; and when they were asked by many persons, who said, we shall be ready to support this reform, if you intend to stop here, but we cannot support it if you mean it to be a step in some other scheme of Parliamentary reform which this is made to accomplish, end they said, " No, we do not intend any other scheme than this. We consi der this as a final measnrart4iis is the only mea sure that we propose." - (Hear, hear.) Well, sir, I repeat to this House that such has been tho language of my Lord Grey, and my Lord Al thorpe, and that I did not entirely concur with what they,,thenssairr. I sat with my Noble Friend Lord 41. thorpe; and in consenting to his language t did not think - a wold be co teat or bawd PP 4 9 WPB ~~~t;r Y `.