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FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE —sesessee— Pram:he (onstitutionnek) . 'PAWS, FEB, o.—Alt the versione which have een circulated respecting the organization of the Army are incorrect. We believe we may assure our readers that it has , beenalecreed as follows: ARMY OF ME WV.TEIIII IiYRnICEES. Ills %Val IlighllVAl the Duke d'Angoulerne, General-in , Chief. ' General Guilleminot,,Chief of.the Staff: Ist Diewea---tleneral Count Molitor. - .2d Division—Baron tie'Demas. .h 1 Division—Lieutenant-General Count Itottrke. Division—Lieutenaq-General Viscount Obert. Cavalry Division—Lieutenant.General Viscount Castex. Artillery—LietttenantAlerteral Tirlet. Engincers--Lieutenant-General Dodo. 2n cones.' The Prince de Ifohenloe, C omm ander-in-Chief, having un des% his orders two divisions, one commanded by Gen. Carmel, and the other by Gen. Concliy., coxes—AlOLY,4o' THE EA.:STEAM I'VUENEES. Lieuterumt-Generaf iliattpLis tie Lauriston, Commande,r4n. ; Chief. Ist Division—bieutenant.General Count Curial. 2a Division—.Lieutenant-iiineral Viscount Donnadieu. 3dlNviaion—Lieutenant-GeneralViscount Pamphile Lacroix. -let Division of Cavalry—Lieut.-General Roussel tr Barbel. 241:Division—Lietit , Gerieral Viscount Donlon., Artillery—Major-General Baron Berge ; Chief of the Staff, M. Despres. Itescrve ; composed of- ille Guard—The Marshal Duke de . 'Reggio, Commander-in-Chief. lufantry—Lieutenant-Oeneral Bourmont. Cavalry—Lieutenant-General Bordesoalt. It is affirmed that the two divisions com mended by .the:Prince do liohenlohe will, if war take place, enter Spain with the army of the. 'Western Pyrenees, and be detached to occupy 2‘rragon. fr It is affirmed that the Marshal Duke de Reggio set of today (Thursday) for ..Ba.youne. (journal eta Debate.) This day, the regiments of the infantry of the Royal Guard, which are destined for the army of Spain, will be reviewed by the Marshal Duke,de Ragusa, Major-General de tervice. These troops will march on Saturday next. Advices from Vienna state, that in the event of war between France and Spain, the Emperor' Alexander will place a fleet at the disposal of France, 'which will have land forces on-board. An Imperial ordinance has just been promul gated at Milan for thelevy of 6,000 men. This operation will commence on the ‘2oth of March. In consequence of the-departure for' thearmy of various regiments of the garrison of Paris, it is affirmed that orders have been transmitted to the . chiefs of the legions of the National Guard, to .occnp.y, provisionally, some posts of, the eapital now occupied by troops of the line, the ' arrival in Paris of other regiments, which are to replace those which have departed. The journal de la Belgique states". If war: take place between France and 'Spain, it is Ahought that a cordon of Belgic, troops will be established on our frontier." The baggage of M. the Lieut.-Gen. Marquis de Lauriston was yesterday dispatched for the army. That of the Duke diAngoulenre was ex pedited thither some days ago. Flu. 7.-Yesterday before mass the Bureau of the Cliember . of Deputies, pretteded by the Minister of the Interior, had the honour or being - admitted to an audience of the Ki ng ,. M. haves, the President of the Chamber, then presented to his Majesty the list cop”tiatei for tilt , Q ut .! J . torship. Itelstitnounced to the King during audience that the Chamber was completed. The King yesterday gave a private audience to the Marquis de Verac, Governor of Versailles; to M. the Count de 'Waters, Prefect. of Jura; .and to M. de Curzay, Prefect of La Vendee; and in the, afternoon his Majesty transacted busi ness with Count de Villele, as President of the Council' of Ministers. It appears that, the Queen of Portugal still remains at Ramalao, live leagues from Lisbon.— The infirm state of her Majesty's health will not allow her to quit Portugal for some time: it is -certain that this Princess will not enter Spainv--: ,It is conjectured that she hesitates in her choice -of an asylum between France amid Naples. Some persons are of opinion that her Majesty will retire to Lucca, in order to enjoy the society of her august sister. To-morrow it is expected the Meister of ..Finances will lay before the Chamber of Depu ties the results of the Finance Law during the ,year I 821 , the estimates of the receipts and -ex,. 7 ~penditure for the year 1822, and the Budget . for the year 1"824. Count de Lagarde, the' Ambassador of France to Madrid, arrived at Bayonne on the 3d. inst. at eight o'clock in the morning. Ile demanded his passports on the morning of Sunday, the 20th ult. bet they were not delivered on Tuesday, the 21ith, at midnight, in spite of his entreaties, and notwithstanding that he had caused the arms of France to be taken down froM before his hotel. itAvas- not, indeed, till one o'clock on the after noon of the 30th, that be obtained the 'approval -of his passports from the Political Chief, and it -was even Jive o'clock before he was furnished with post horses. By six o'clock, however, he .entered his carriage with M. Benue, Fiist Secre tary to-the Embassy,. In tile course of his journey, 'Count de Legardemet only with arrested couriers, fugitive escorts, and plundered mails. He passed nit English Cabinet Messeuger, who had set. out thirty hours before him, and 'to whom he, himself had entreated some dispatches for the Foreign :office. At ,every step he passed through,Cousti tutional bands or places in possession of the Royalists. It. is true, therefore, that unhappy Spain presents, at every -stage, the spectacle of a State upon the brink of dissolution, and an afflicting :picture of anarchy and civil war. An livening Paper gave a summary-of the Speech purport . ipg to, have been delivered at titeopening of the biglish Par liament, and nearly ell the Journals did not fail to repeat the account on the following morning. In comparing this pre. .tended account with the literal,Speach given by ourselves this day, it is easy to perceive that it cost the author more effiat of imagination than labour is translation or analysis. Those readers who happen to be Linde acquainted with the Parlia mentary forms of our neighbours, could not. easily be deceived by the lunocentartifice we now advert to; it was never customary to insert such positive, assertions, as were stilted in a Speech of the Crown. There is always found in the language of tilt Throve, a tone of reserve which belongs to its dignity,. and which toes,not appear to have been suspected by the Parisian ..interpreter. lie attempted it, but the attempt did not sue-, eeeil. It w•as rather unfortunate; but another time, perhaps, the experiment may turn out better.--( Journal des Debuts.) • COUR ROYALE, FED. 6. The appeal of 111.11. Constant against the sentence by which he was condemned' to +one ,month's imprisonment, on account of his letter to the Pxocureur.Oeneral of the Court of Poitiers, was this day hearth. The Court was sosnuch crowilei, that merry of M. B. Con stain's friends could not get even into the hall. The Court, after deliberating for_ more than an hour and a half, returned at four o'clock.. Baran Seguier, First President, then delivered the judgment of the Court, condemning M.. 11. Constant to a fine of 1000 francs and costs. The imprisonment'has thus been revoked, and the :fine in creased. The following is the - Speech 'of Prince de' TALLEY RAN Nidelivervd on -the occasion of the Chamber of Peers, taking into consideration the projet of the Address to be presented in answer to, the KING'S Speech : MY Lorins—Siziten yearsbave elapsed this day, -since,.n. vited by him who then ruled the world to state my opinion.re lative to the contest about to be engaged in with the 6people of: Spain, I had the misfortune to excitehis displeasure by unfold.; ing futurity to his view ; by disclosing to hint all the dan gers which would spring up on all sides during an attack not, less unjust than rash and presumptuous. Disgrace was the reward of my sincerity. Strange destiny ! that after thedapse• of so many years .1 should be again called upon to renew the:. same effor ts, to urge the same councils to our legitimate Sovereign. " The Speech from the Throne has caused the last hopes of all the friends of peace nearly to vanish. It threatens Spain ;'' and my duty obliges me to Say that it seems to me alarming toy France. ar, however, has not yet broken out. Peers of France, there is yet a moment, a single moment, to save' the King, to save your country, front the risk of so danger ous an enterprise ; hasten then to make use of it—to.fulfil ' most sacred of duties, to undeceive the King, Omni, •as he is with respect to the wishes of' Prance, the wants of his people, his own peenliar interest, and not less than with regard to the state of Spain, which is now represented to him as enfeebled by in.' testine dissensions. ".The wish of France—it is . almost supeifluous to say the wish of all France is fbr peace. Satiated with•tile glory of amts, she flattered herself, that under the Government of her King, 'she should be enabled to recruit, during the leisure of. peace, the strength - wasted in a war of thirty yeats.—. All parts of this vast empire, composed as they are of so many various interests, are unanimous on this question,' —Lille thinks as Strasburg, Lyons as flordekux, Marseilles as Grenoble. The most 'furious party •spirit • cannot deny thivtruth. ti " ,And how could it be otherwise ? Ilas ,not the merchant of Bordeaux and of Marseilles, in this case, the same interest as the Manufacturer of Lyons and of Rouen ? Is not the one threatened with having all the treasures which he embarked on the ocean snatchettfrom him? Does not tlaaother see the moment approaching when his manufactories must close, which have hitherto tbrmed the source of his glory and of the prosperity ,of his country ?' Shall speak of that part ,of thepopulation which derives its support from daily labour? " Each individual belonging to this class already knows by, the reduction of a part of his labours, that in Suture be will re-s ceive only a portion of those earnings which are necessary for the support of his family, and that he may, front day to day, be deprived of this last resouree. Can you suppose, my Lords,' that agriculture will be more fortunate—that it will escape the dangers which threaten commerce anti industry ? In our per fect system of society all classes ate united in one chain of ge nera) welfare. The embarrassments of the mercantile will be felt by the class of cultivators, and our agriculture too will suf fer, from the loss of the numbers who are sent viperish in the; desolate plains of the Peninsula. " U that the powerful of the earth could calculate the soffrages at this dreadful moment ! On our side is xn united people ; 'on the other—Mist shall I say 'r --are some indivi dual interests, who struggle to make a restoration, concurred in by all for the general benefit of society, subservient to their own private advantage. I will be bold enough to speak the whole truth. nose self same chivalrous sentiments which, in 1709, attracted the hearts of the generous, and seduced th e imagination of the enthusiastic, yet could not preserve the le gitimate monarchy; they Msragain destroy it in 1823, notwith. seinding France wants to preserve its legitimate monarchy.— .11y Lords, the questien of war is not, us some have been pleased to say, a questiun of dynasty : his a question of party alone. 'lii Isterests of royalty are not at stake : no, but the interest of it psity, steady to its old hatred, fixed in its old prejudices, and which is h s eager to maintain than to reconquer—it is a, retellation which sorne seek to take on the height of the Pyrenees. Atat, what are the real motives urged to induce Prance,— ' Prenee happy, so tranquil, so prosperous,—to expose herself to the risk of a war against Spain? 01 what hats France to complain ? All is reduced to this simple proposition. The Spatii:h Charter is full of Imperfections. 1 agree in that. proposition, it is full of imperfections : But when have neighbouring nations received the authority of exacting from an independent people the reformation of their political lews ? If this theory be admitted, what becomes of the independence of nations ? \net extraordinary reformers— what wonderful Lycurguses, walnut 100,000 soldiers form!. especially when 100,000 nre ready to'follow in their track ? Where i 4 lie who can be deceived Ity this _political Quixotism ? Is it thought that the secret of this new crusade will long con. tinue a mystery in the eyes of the people of all countries ? No, my Lords, no; Spain has conquered freedom for herself; Spain, no longer overrun by privileged individuals, aflisrds a spec. tacle intolerable to pride ; it cannot be tolerated ; and what is to be the event ? In Spain, what was ineffectually attempted in France, is to be attempted, viz.--a counter-revolution. " I am well aware that tlfe invisible movers in this grand conspiracy against the liberties of the tieoplb are not so stupid as to aspire to any success by the sole efforts of their partisans ; ' what then is in reality the support on which they rest their last hopes? They do not know. it; they would shudder if they were repired to state it truly. My - Lords, that support, with out which they are nothing, is the support of' foreigners. Let it not be said that this hypothesis is at chimera ; this parricidal wish has been avowed in the Papers of the day, those cheerless echoes of the passions which agitate the surface ofour native land. But what is the price of the foreigner on whom they will be compelled to place their last reliance ? What is he to receive for his co-operation.ln these monstrous transactions? Who will pay his armies, who will provision them ? Assuredly, it can not be unfortunate Spain—she has no treasure, she has scarcely enough to supply her own subsistence—she is rich in courage alone. •‘ Prudence forbids my entering into more ample develope merits of the dangers of war with Spain_; your intelligence and reflection will supply the deficiency. But J have said enough to shew that it was my duty to appear in this Tribune. It be. longed to nic, who am old—who respect France—who am de voted to the King and his Family —to me who have taken to pro. minion a partin the events of the double restoration—who by my efforts, and, I venture to say it by my successes, have placed all Iny glory and my responsibility in the renewal of the union bttween France and the House of Bourbon, to pre vent by every means in my potver. the work of wisdom and ,justice fronfbaing compromised by rash and foolish passions. " The King is deceived, My Lords ; it is our duty to unde ceive him.—lfe,is told that his people wish for war; his people desire peace.—lie is to ld‘that the honour of his Crown i s coin- promises, by his not revenging the insults offered to Ferdinand. His ancestor Louis XIV. did not revenge insults far more fla grant ; and yet in a quebtion of dignity Louis XIV. is a model not to be despised. 'l' lie happiness of France is the glory of Louis XVIII. and he is worthy of enjoying it.—lle is told that Spain, a pi) , to anarchy, is dangerous to France. Let facts answer for themselveit. It is true that anarchical doctrines have made all alarming progress in France? But on the contrary, has not power made rapid conquests among us since the revolu tion of Spain ? " Let us not be afraid, my Lords, to present the truth to our King : he never. rejects it, and it is in this confidence that I support the amendment which has just been proposed to you by the Baron de liarante. May the majority of this Chamber be induced by their fidelity to the King and the Chamber, to sanction it by their votes. " My Lords, I will say only one word more, and it is to ask you whether no one has; any doubts with respect to the se cret wishes of Ferdinand VII. I permit myself a personal opinion on this point ; I ground it on past events but too well known to me. Assur e dly ti re Ki ng o f Sp a i n was never inure ott w l:iettly deprived of all liberty than during the seven years of his captivity at Valencay; and I appeal to some of my Noble Colleasues to recal to their recollection that at that painful pe riod neither their honourable names nor their touching devot edness could inspire that Monarch with sufficient confidence to remove from his mind the impression, that the attempt which they were pilling to make for his deliverance was nothing but an aet of temerity of which h e wou ld b e ' t h e v i c ti m ; an d my personal relations with King Ferdinand h a v e authori se d me to believe, that these refusals arose from a noble confid'emes in the fidelity of his subjects, to whose courage and attachment he wished to owe his liberation. This last observation, notwith standing the difference of the times, affords you many oppor. tunities finsomparlson." itunmsnit, continues to be rumoured that a nor Cinigress will soon be held at Vienna ; that the Allies will assemble on the Milne ioo,orm men ; and that two Rua. sian divisions will be encamped in a second Rae, whilst a third alivision of "000 Russians will proceed into Italy, whence they will embark for Catalonia.--(Drapeau Blanc.) ~P IN. MADRID, JAN, 27. , . . 11EXTUACT OF 'A PILIVATI: LETTIM) " The march of Bessitsres from Mtquinenza to - the very sit burbwof Madrid, proves better than any argument the present singular condition of. Spain. The majority of the population of the country, indifferent to every thing, and wearied with On. stant distractiims, made no resistance to the passage of a troops small in number, which they could easily have obstructed if they had the slightest attachment to the existing: order of things. Besgieres, consequently, marched . upon Saragossa,' Calatayud, Siguenza, and Guadalaxara ' and' every where endeavoured to put in movement th e inhabitants of the towns who are hostile to the Cortes; bat his - not halting any where stems to indicate that the object of his march was a 'sudden. attack upon Madrid, or a general reconnoitre of the force of the Royalist Insurgents. The retrogade movement of the Count d'Abishal upon Madrid, after the announce ment of a decisive advantage, and even of the total dis persion of the troops of Bessieres, apparently indicatei some now .dangers, of the precise nature of which we are ign o . rant. It Is possible that Bessieres bas taken up a position in the 'neighbourhood of Cuenca, where there are numbers of dis affected, anti whence he may return upon Madrid with fresh re inforeements. Perhaps he is only pursuing a sort of military reconnoitre—perhaps be has already visited the vicinity of Se govia and Burgos, where Merino is actively engaged. These communications between the Royalist corps may be pregnant with an important combination of ope ra ti o n s . Finally ; there. trograde movement of the Count d'Abisbal may have been caused by the kar of the capital , declaring itself against the Cortes, if tho Constitutional troops we re f ar remove d from it.— Under till these 'hypotheses, this movement betrays fear, and excites disquietude amongst the tommuncros." iIER.TFORD COUNTY MEETING. On Stiturday, pursuant to requisitioit, a Meet ing. was held at the Town-htdl„, for the purpose of presenting a petition to Parliament, pray g" for a speedy and effectual re form in the state of the nationabrepresentation - . Amongst those present were,--Lord tfacre, the Hon. Wm. Lambe Sir John Sehright, Mr. N. Calvert; Professor Christian Col. Brown, Mr. Hawkins, Er. Ude, Mr. Fordham, and Mr.i Wiltshire. At two , ve o'clock above 300 persons were in the room, and their weight had the effect.of loosening one of the pillars supporting the roof, which operated as a source of merriment to some, but of no small alarm:to .hose who fcgt they it ere not prepared so prematurely to go to their account. About a quarter after 12, Mr. eligh Sheriff DANIEL arrived anti took the Chair. Mr. W. 11 ALE apologinal for presenting himself to so nume rous and respectable a meeting. It was some time , since they 1 ttssembledto disEuss the subject of Parliamentary. Reform, and the intetval only served to convince him of its absolute necessity. They had seen, for instance, the suspension of the Habeas cor pus Act, and the enactment of others utterly subversive of the liberties of theTeople. For,his own part he had hoped that the kCountty Gentlemen, as they were called would have some influence in 'that Honourable House, but he Was . sorry to find they were so much fallen. In fact nothing would restore the country to its former condition unless through the agency of &form. In asking for Reform they only asked for what was justified by precedent. The state of the repre. sentatiou wits always liable to change and vacillation from the time of Edward the Third down to a period later than the Rev°. History proved the ninny changes which had so takthi place ; and why should they now be told that to petition for re form was impteper ? There was a resistance offered to' reform either arising , from ignorance, or to uphold that system which worked so well fur the Government, and so badly for the coun try ; and yet that-system was intended for the protection of the people, although now used to degrade and to enslave them. The duration of Parliament should be shortened, and the Hotise of Commons be made the express image of the People. If this were already the case—if the People were fully and fairly repre. rented, let the matter rest, sitar things be as they were ; if not, then Reforni would be necee:Aary to save at once The People and the country. Ile cettelutkl 1.1 moving q that a petition should be immediately presented to Parliament, praying for a speedy and effectual Worm in the stateof the National Rt presentation. Mr. Want) in seconding the motion, observed, the r e was one very rema l rkstrle peculiarity about the subject of Reform, namely, that there was scarcely any great Statesman who had not at one time or other been its advocate. If they looked to the divisions ofsodety, they would find in each how badly the present system worked. The peasantry were reduced from a brave, sturdy, and imlepentlent race to look for , support front parochial aid. The next cies, above then had wasted their capital tar nothing, and were now submitting to the most gloomy ilistress. Look a step lxher, at the country gentlemen -they bud lands, but no rentsilke soil, but reaped no fruit from it. Did the system work welt forthest clam es ? No ; nor could it work well when the rotten, bur:ores had such an overwhelming preponderance ? In:shori e. , o*bitrary and capricious exorci ae of the elective franchise,e'time of Edward 111. to that of Charles-11, and even to a munch later period, chewed-theabso. lute necessity of some Reform. Ile did not mean to say, how ever, that they would find a panacea for all their grievances in a Reform ; but he looked to it as the means of restoring the em pire of public opinion. If that were once-effected, Ministers would address themselves to and be governed by it ; and the result would be, that the Parliament would work well for the general rood and prosperity of the empire.—(Bravo !) The HIGH StiEntrt• put the motion, that a petition for Re form be presented.—(Read it, read it !) Mr. Nicuot.sosr (the 'hid er Sheriff') then read the follow; Mg petition 6 To the Honourable the Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, in Parliament assembled. " The humble Petition of th e Nobility, Clergy, and Free. helJers of the County of Hertford; " Sheweth—That your Petitioners have upon former occa sions submitted to your Honourable House their opinions, that as at present constituted, your Honotirable House did not ade. quately represent the People of these Realms; and the recent proceedings of your llonourable )louse, which has in each sue. cessive Session given fresh proofs of a deviation from public opinion, have confirmed your Petitioners in the conviction, that neither their interests nor their wishes are duly attended 'to in your Honourable house. _ " Instead of a determined resistance to the encroachments of power, a tender care for the rights of the People, a j ea lo us e y e over the executory and judicial Magistracy, and a vigilant watch over the public treasure, it hits been the misfortune of your Petitioners to witness too ready a compliance with the wishes of whatever Minister may have dispensed the favours of the Crown. " Of this unconstitutional tendency ist your Honourabl e House, your petitioners f e el th e f ata l effects in the wanton and profligate expenditure of their resources—in the maintenance of a military force dangerous to their liberties—in the enactment of laws inconsistent with the spirit of the Constitution, and in the frequent neglect with which the petitions of the people have been treated in that quarter where they ought to have expe rienced the readiest and most anxious attention. • - " The evils of an inadequate representatiou have been com plained of by eminent Statesmen of all parties and at different periods ; but to your petitioners these evils appear greatly ag gravated by the additional power and influence over your Ho nourable [louse, which are derived front the present large col. lection of taxes, and the unprecedented amount of out civil, Mi litary, and colonial peace establishment. " Your petitioners bug leave to represent that if the state of your Honourale House and the circumstan ces w hi c h affect its Independence, are at all times subjects of great public interest, they are more particularly so at a time when the absolute Mo narchs of Europe, not content with arbitrarily governing their own dominions, are l e a g u e d toget h er i n an alliance, the avowed object of 'which is to check the progress of liberty, and to pre vent the establishment of Representative Governments—an object which they have but too successfully carried Iwo execu. tion by the militaryoccupation of those countries to which they haveltower to dictate. • " Your petitioners apprehend no such immediate violence to the British Constitution ; but they are fearful lest a pernicious influence should destroy the basis of their liberties, and alti mately,convert the forms of a free constitution into the conve nient instruments of an arbitrary Government. Ypur Petitioners, anxious that Parliament should avail itself of the present period of peace and tranquillity to enter into a full consideration of the state of the House of Commons, respectfully, but earnestly, entreat your Honourable H ouse to inquire seriously into th e caus es of - a state of things injurious to themselves and dangerous to their posterity, and by a speedy and effectual reform of your Honourable House to adopt the measure which alone can remedy the evils of which they corn-- plain, and restore that good agreement and perfect sympathy which ought ever to prevail between the House of Conunons and the people." Mr. Jolty Fortmum observed, that Reform was never more I l necessary than now. fr would take a week to state the evil's un der which the people laboured, and he should therefore only notice a few of those which were most prominent. The taxes formed th e fi rst i tetn—t h ose taxes which were unnecessary for the support of a good Government, and which the people were unable now to pay. Before the war they amounted to 16 millions —they were new 60—while the prices were no more than dating ntloiewp‘elruiosdhiontglteefloornweroittitslaiionni and what i t i l a t t sp: o t u s l o d f o E ur uro i p ii e li w st e e r r e s to b e e a d re on e e ly n d N o a in p g ies w an ha d t say to them If they interfered, could not those despots sayW , you else wdiilderteo.,FraNnoreew—asivtlusititsydolue worst of it; for we were so et i e rlad that we could not lift an arm in defence of the oppressed. All these evils had their source and rout in the state of the Boise of Commons, It was said there ' should not be a general Reform; but if a man had a poison-tree in his garden, would he cut it oil' branch by branch m order to destroy it, or would he not rather at once apply the axe to the root arut destroy it altogether ?—(Bravo !)—Nothing but Re form could save the country; The whole constitution of Par liament 7 was. defective, Soldiers and .sailors, pensioners and placenien, were voting the money of the people into their own poeketk; 'they' looked to themselves and not to the people. --The duration pf Parliament should, in his opinion, be annual. Well,' but what would Reform accomplish ? In the fast place the,abolitiou of, placemen and sinecures. The pen sion list chewed Men, women, and children doing nothing for the country..thrown for support on the labour and sweat of the people. The wages of labour were now reduced, and why not reduce the salaries of Ministers ? A sale should be made of the Crown lands, and of the Church property, and such a n applica tion of it ma de—(Applause and hisses)—as would benefit the nation at large. If he thought the sale of Church property would injure religion, he would never propose it ; bu t where were tithes ever mentioned in tl.e New Testament ?-4No where !) Tithes had often undergone an alteration, and even now some of the Clergy in Lo n d on w ere c l a imi ng 2s. 9d. in the pound. This claim_ they made under the sanction a the law ; thereby chewing that law was the foundation of the Church, anti that the Church and all belonging to it was bound to be regulated by law. - In America, without an expensive Church or flo vernment, the people were fully and fairly represented. The American King Wile might be so called) had 7,0001. a year ; here, the Speaker of the House of Commons had three times the sum. There were no tithes in America—( No Bishop! followed by laughter)—and France might almost be said to be rent tree, tax free, and tithe free. He did not mean to oppose the petition ; but he should propose an addition to it to the fol lowing effect:— " Your petitioners threfore humbly pray that your Honour able house will immediately proceed to pass an Act for a Reform, upon the Con s titution a l principles of Representation being co-equal with taxation, and of Parliament being annual, in order that the reformed Parliament may . adopt the following measures :—lst. A total abolition of all sinecures and unme rited pensions. -2d. A reduction of nil salaries, and a reduc tion of the standing army to a scale of expence as low as that which existed before the last war; and idly, such a sale of ..the public property, of whatever it consists, and such an application of the proceeds, as will effectually relieve the distresses of the people._ __ • Mr. E. Fonnueate in seconding the amendment, said, he wished that the present were not a pocket meeting, that some thing more patriotic than their distresses had assembled them together. ''hose persons at his end of th e room f e l t t h e taxes more than those at the other (alluding to Lord Dam, the County Members, and other Gentlemen near the chair).—That political apostate and swindler %V. Pitt.-(Order, order! Bravo ! hisses ! Down ! no blackguardism !)--advocated and turned rounditpon Reform. Let the people not have false hopes, even now; for there were many Pitts still existing; and if they were not now unanimous, these Pitts would swallow them all up.-- The placemen rallied round the Constit u ti on to prey upon its vitals; let the people be at least as unanimous to preserve it from ruin. Every thing was taxed. The tax-gatherer went to the bowels of the earth fur revenue—the fields and the fruits were taxed—a bird could not be had without a tax, and the Heaven-born Minister taxed the light of Heaven, because he preferred darkness as his deeds were evil.—(Hear, hear !) An unconstitutional tax-gatherer was also sent to America; but he was sent back, three thousand miles across the Atlantic, without a revenue. Let meetings like the present be held throughout the country, " Reform, Reform !"--let that be the cry, and the rotten boroughs will shake to their foundation.-- The Clergy ( We don't want them), it would be a liopelia task to reform them ; let the Church stand without a revenue—let it stand 'upon itself, and those pay for instruction who receive it. Let there be no bribes to teach and preach.—(Bravo!)— Let us, in a word, have a substantial Refonn.--(Bravo!) Lord DACRE—Oreat in magnitude, as he always consider. ed the question of Reform, he was now induced to address the by Mr. Fordham. H e a l wa y s cons id ere d t h at the Constitution meeting in consequence of the additions which were proposed was established for the preservation of the rights and property of individuals, and the security of property in general. As the meeting was so generally agreed on liethrin, lie shoOld not re peat what he had often said, but he mightliay with the re. nowned Montesquieu, that that Government was most dan. gerous which had the forms of a freee , but the spirit of. an arbitrary Government. Whether this was applicable or not to the existing Government, he was not called upon to give an opinion. What was he to say to so numerous and enlightened an assembly ? What was he to say upon the proposed addition ? Why, that, if carried, it would be to create themselves into a House of Commons, and to enact what ?—that all public p roperty was to have no security. !Tiflis were the feeling, don't reform the House of Commons if this addition were adopted, they would—he would not say all be felt upon it; from the bottom of his heart he regretted it was proposed. He believed the gentleman proposing it to have the best intentions; it was however painful to hear such a proposal, and he could not remain silent when it was subtnlttee to such a Meeting. The proposal went to say, to an ideal body, that a vast mess of the public pr o p ert y was to b e confiscated. Could such a thing be enthired ?—( Bravo ! )—Deeplv would the cause of' Reform lie injured by such proceedings. He had witnessed them in other counties with sorrow and with shame: but one consolation was left him, that they would not be proposed, much less adopted, by the county of Hertford. The mischief was incalculable. Ile was not the advocate of tithes, or the large in comes of the Bishops, particularly those of the Irish hierer:hy ; but they possessed in them vested rights, which, if once shaken, would shake those of every manthe country..... (Bravob in —lt was said the landlords did not feel the effect of taxation ; the assertion was erroneous. The interest of land lord and tenant were so irrevocably interwoven, that he felt to sacrifice their tenantry would end in sacrificing themselves. He deeply felt for the honour of the county; and he felt how much the cause of Reform was damaged in other counties where amendments like that just proposed had been adopted. If the present amendment were not rejected by acclamation the county wou ld at once be dishonoured and disgraced.._'. (Shouts of Bravo !)-11e endeavoured to do more for Reform here and elsewhere, than if he were now to waste months in arguing its details. The Noble Lord concluded by hoping the iniquitous amendment would be unanimously negatived, and that other counties, under similar circumstances, would follow the good example of the county of Ilertford.—(Bravo, bravo !) Mr. KING 1' 3Rin AM was the friend of Reform for the last 30 years —a Reform grounded, however, on strict justice to every man. fie should indeed be ashamed if it were only to be, accomplished by injuring on e h o n est man . Any Reform dispossessing one of' property held by lawful tenure, would be . a most unjust a n d unproper measure. He wished for una nimity in their opinions as to Reform, and he was only sorry that any thing should have been proposed tending to destroy the unanimity of Abe meeting. One of the tew Gentlemen who opposed Reform altogether was now near him, and he opposed it because he had previously seen the amendment which was just proposed. Whatever Reform was obtained must be a benefit, and would not preclude a more extensive measure, if it were subsequently found necessary. The dura tion of Parliament should be shortened, as the first step to the general improvement. Sir JOHN SEnatoitT said, ha rose under some disadvantage, after the lirief but sensible and moderate speech of his Worthy Friend Mt. Fordham. He had no hesitation in saying, that if the Reformers in general followed his example, they would be. fore now have gained their cause. With respect to the.ro. posed amendment, he trusted it would be unanimously rejeged ; it was not only nonsensical, but unjust. It would go more to injure the cause of'Reform than a thousand enemies could effect. Be was sorry their unanimity had been broken in upon ; but be still trusted that the intelligent and honest men of Hertford shire would elways do their duty.—(A pplause.) —lf the petition were carried, he should feel happy in presenting it as that of a respectable number of his constituents—if the amendment, he should feel it due to his own character to state every circum stance attending it.—(Bravo!) Mr. N. Caeveier entirely concurred in the views of the worthy ,Baronet and the Gentleimui who preceded him. With respect to the sweeping Reform contemplated by, the amend ment, he must certainly oppose it. To bring the question home, suppose a farmer acting open a certain system had found some of his fields only produce bad crops, would h e at once a l ter all, and not proceed b y degrees ?—The Hon. Gentleman was pro. ceeding, but being called on to get the table, and not willing to comply made no farther observations. The Hon. W'. LAME said, he attended the present meeting for the purpose of hearing the opinions of his constituent s , rather than engage i n t h e d e b ate . A direct appeal howevet was made to him ; and while he lamented diGring with them, he trusted to their candour f or a p at i ent hearing While he b r i e fly' stated his m eans of doing it away. should r )....... ejo i i i ce e um. fair susc el negatived,•ot o ti o nd s t s r , o a n n g far althoughtl! r ah e ne e d s o eho n ni sis esde opinions. Ife wished the question of Reform to be tried on disdainedredthte° o n r 4e igi a n i : petition itrnae3erttin)r entering oth er w a on s a t the wifothuled:ontendtal:enupt the g at eta te, e r r o al f n q o ues pe ti rso on n o al f e tl a i r e ri t e li ( n i e th o e f o t n h e e Reform ; at the same time that he would gay, whether it was interest to him. None of his connections had any, and he could have no other w i s h than a seat in the House of Com mons, the highest wish of' a British Commoner. all the &roughs were done away, his return to Parliament would pro bably be more safe and more independent than i t now (Hisses.)--Ile sho u ld b e very glad for one to relieve some of those Noble Lords of their Boroughs even o f so f r i en dl y to Reforrhthose ; Of NOO It Lords who used the one, and yet had all the popularity of, the orris. ex) anxious however, were,they for Reform, that th I • u th • eY W i 0 t eir capital in baying mor e B oroughs. —(N ame ; who remburees them ? hisses.)--Yee, Gentlemen, they not only bought j3oroughs, btu they exercised their influence in refusing to allow Need the exercise of their right, and whose agents were An* wards imprisoned in the Xing's Bench for each ante duct. The Boroughs, however, were as old as the Con' stitution it se lf— t h oug h per h aps t h at m i g ht b e no Argus tuent in their favo ur . O u r s is a balanced t i oVernment, acting by various bodies--each in its proper state, and preserving itS proper functions. When an alteration in this system was called tor, people should be cautious, and any thing but hasty in grant ing it. Suppose a greater degree of power were called for by the King, or by the Nobles—Misses, and llear, hear!}—orb; any other body, would not the case be viewed with jealousy; sad the more so, if the claim were made as a matter of right . See the difficulty of getting into changes—and, of worse, the danger of the new and old not working well together. Tin , alone should teach then) caution. The system of representstin was a modern invention. Notwithstanding all that was MO about the purity of its exercise in America, no parallel cVl db l fairly drawn bet ween t h e representat i ve system in Amer" .„ in England. The conditions of the two countries are different; one is covered with a dense population, the other is compel tively but little cultivated, havin but few people, and as yet their system has only been tried f o r 41) years. .No one coal ;e ll how long it would Janis it now wax. England's system hey net only lasted for c en t ur t es , b ut has given an example to die . whilst time seems to have h ai l a sa l u t ar y in fluence u P" . its e existence. A pure den - ocraty would result from the estenre. Reform now called for; and to prevent that, the period ot presentation should not be liable to so many changes, period be ned at almost every moment. On these grounds lie was n"t r e ; dpared for any of those rash and violent measures which wer e emanded, or to vote for any hasty change. He was not frierl . tothe Reform meditated by Lord J. Russell, though more rate than others.—(Down, down !—hisses.--Goon , Some vices, some imperfections might exist in the present' on! . of the representation ; but . he would not for a visionary pope' larity risk the institutions of the country. lie trusted no one would feel any resentment towards him in consequence of t r. fearless delivery of his opinion. --(Hear ! and hisees.) l ;2 l .; , the essence alnioet ola free constitution, that differences did *vow them and it was its pride that every man could openly He was not surprised at the disapprobetion Ingu ires " tuw it i nu hitt ; and, on the wholeironsidesing how adverse: his sentie r the were to those of the majority present, he was thankful for hearing with which he was favoured. He conjured the " co ; ing not to be led away merely by their feelings, or beinfluel g , by their distresses. If, however, they felt a morel ceri o aw yo f e that a Refotm would do good, then they would do right to for the petition. As to the amendment, diet was altogether 'aeir of the question. lie again conjured them not to vote fri) , r. impuhtes—not to be influenced by any temporary adverse ' 4 '.3 who ' cumstances in which they might be placed. Any mg° i 0 0 3. so would be guilty to hiniself; to his postesity, and to h , bray%) Mr. GROVE PRICE commenced by culogiring I , b f:d. Canstitution under whose auspices they were to-daY gg en t t he He regretted the existence of agricultural distress, but He same time he was satisfied that legislative interference ;I' ilt re of it was always bad. With respect to Reforn) being roe w heb every evil, it reminded him of Sangrado's retnetlie' t i o e e e ; were bleeding and hot water for every disease. Ile'" id° No, to • was unfair at which it was brought forte: _ eir Hear, hear !)—lle wished to corrie to its discussion (Inca, terms.--4/1 Wes for some minutes, .—He implored the m nee, shier the dangers of innovation—of tryitus which were,generally introduced by men who lad sheik . n to P ht —(Much laughter followed by uproar.)— I gm ll ''' 411 1 e ) v °l4 ' petition itself: ; - - - - i-sses)—and I should disdain to clue or hearing, by swerving for one moment from n1y._9740. (You are a wonderful man I)—Refomi would be vet led to the country at large.— O ur es arid down, down „,e t e thir• for some minutes.)—Our Constitution , May be harmonic chain—(Q))', and uproar.) • 41 sill' The HIGH Stunirr bespoke a buying for air. I rl.,„ e i, the, ing, that the sooner they allowed the speaker to sooner the business of the meeting would be over. :brit Mr. PRICE—The freehold ers are con vened to S7 ll , per sentiments, and that right never shall be sacrificed people have a . gond Constitution alreedY•r,„e son. The They have advanced in wealth. Lett an d t"' n g don' Less influence is now used in the noose of Ce'nun„ l° l e ek s; thee ever Wag-4 01 1, oti!)—Look at the period af,. o ,nr dangers whicn atteuded the conflict at that ittn i e7 the Al leeee of the State powers, by trausgresing itself disturbe d h jlle n ay —(Off, off, off!)--These were the opinions 01 , a u s e , ioe hat coolly reasoning in their closet s .—Look a Hume and Paley —men not influenced by their lb: nr ors - Pr ° l ; ----I fear I have not the support of many duvet! by eltange---at the French Revolution d tOn °3r „ .1 Constitution and its tniserable condition. (lb' tg) ° Pc oriinu but I never will suffer the Constitution of 111 ,f,,c, - )11, ooht tome to pieces/ as it has this day been ;—k"'" t il 0,11 on Laughter) —I have done my duty • The Sloth down, and the uproar eontinuell fo r . several * minutes; The Ilion S'IIERIFF put the amendment Wili" -61:bv tived by a very larizi majority, There were scarce, ,wry dozen hands held up in its kitipport o 41 ..t put and carried amidst loud cheering. bd u " ( ft was moved that the High Sheriff' should - sign i' e ,:e'siol u/ of die meeting ; but this he declined, as it contained °r which he could not subscribe. by Sir Jolts SERB IC lIT said he would rather litlVei;;V: o4 ' the hundreds who were present tll S h Lan by t It; ever respectable his signature would be. tore , It was finally agreed that it should be I.•ft for sign b a rig ht. presented to the House of Commons by Sir Jol m here ;:1170t1htent:Pilell. sa ,„, 'OP gallery, rArTl price. . -- DREADFUL A RE A ACCIDENT AT Till; COUu" - t t hif One 1 e t i l a r o e b f a o d u r r u i the iII labouring individuals iil on accident about 1:0: i n -1 y " : d i 9 li an : f f ; I : matre on Saturday evening at the Pell et ; 4 0 t he tng in the front row, to effect i n n g d also some endeavoured i to force his vrav through th, e r : § it , of t. those already seated, and thus to eht e ' ll t l i, r tor . p i ro a a te dd k i himself_ , violently forward ' exclaiming— tot some ex'presshins of t i ! e iew e reprobate t wit 1 which he sprung forward he l ust a:t. bey roul of himself and shocking to relate w e - -ith' . tio tti foremost over the gallery into the pit, iog ' standing the precaution adopted of W l ' (ro ot strong t iron rail along th e w h o l e e ateta cf n i , ll d t ;tir ' t o prevent, as it was thought, all possi"' l oop such an accident. The unfortunate Iva n , P„ it , c o .lB l the Cl as ll r - it osv one of the seats of the pit ; by his fall was tremendous, and th e chef! " 0 01 4. on the audience . and performers mB9 ve nn 0 15 easily imagined than described. Th e ° wise r : immediatelywi removed to the Pit Salo°"! b oa! Mr. Crook, a surgeon in the - neighh' ur , a lter was . soon in attendance, and bled hil n ' WO' which he was conveyed to St. Thonos!sf the pital. At the end of the fi rst aa moo' afterpiece, Mr. Barrymore, the St il e - die ° t consequenc w e lolifcilitilele;., '° ietrieo ger, came forward and addressed tb°-' l° f e el i a . s follows :-....“ L idles and Gntlernea, •l,, n d to is my duty to present myself before you , ' Tit f e ll f state that the unfortunate man who this lititgidie„/; from the Gallery, has been conveyed Le ' o t teiri Is tal. The Surgeons have declared 1001406 r in imminent danger at int sent. I li !, P o "i ll injury which he has sustained a pro .1 e eyed compound fracture of the leg. P eri° t e /er ' assure you, Ladies and Gentlemen, ti 3 „ W. possible atte n ti on s h a ll b e paid to Idlo i l li p i e Barrymore bowed, and retired amidst gow.loce. probati on . I t was a most providential ciret)"rtotle that the spac e i n t h e . pit, where this ent`woccv victim of hi s own i mpru d enc e f e ll, V" 5 etencoet pied ; had he fallen on any one the c el .iit .tto e „" would have been fatal. Too mach cr''':,:iittiV be given to Mr.,Barrytnore for-the Pr°al„ratird.- lion which he paid to the sufferer ; Il e au it I II ; nied him to the H o spit a l, a nd did r i °t bsd bee an instant till a ll t h e re li e f posiii" afforded to him. Jl t ltt we have received from a resi44 o Marseilles, rl dated :January 26, 8051--opols:" idea of an a tt ac k on Spain does not s'i'enla'S among the French, it being consOltope:i. hazardous un d er t a ki ng , should Franc e dila: accounts Alt from the manufacturing op agree in the fact that trade was °el' flourishing than at the present moment'