The Sun. — London, England, 1852-04-27 00:00:00

enable them to iricreese ir , urcos. flu , hew too d the facts.? So fear was there trona tieing any just greeted to apprehend hostility. that the Pte,ideitt of the French Republic had written to the different powers of Europe giving expression to the most patafio intentions, which Were seconded by a reduction of the National Guard. That did not look like purposing to use a large military force of regular troop; abroad; at in the French navy there was n beyond ordinary acthity. There was nothing, then, to snore there was any danger to this country from abroad, and whenever such a danger should appear imminent the people would readi;y giie the Axecuttve the means of defence.—(Hear, hear.) But there was a danger from letting the executive of this onUntry have a larger disposable military f. - ,rce than the eircUmstances of the country required. Give the exe cutive the power of garrisoning the 'Misted litegdem With a militia, wbila they had 30,000 or 40,000 regular troops to spare, and they might then adopt tone with foreign powers which would. abou t very w a r th e y now affected - to deplore. Facts an d the h OPerience of history showed that it was dangerous t o e entrust the Executive of Etsglend with too large a mill sary power; but there were no facts to show that with , out any cause or dispute :England had been s ubjected to sudden invasion from a friendly power. Ta lking of di i fi T vision, he (Mr, Gib-on) had, in 1848, 1 thean greatestthat Eoglaud salty in persuading a Freneh g was not likely to interfere with - th H e t fo 'm rm of government Which France bad then adopted, by landing troops on' the continent. That gentleman bald, there were two • things Eugland would never do—she would not repeal the navigation-laws, nor ever cease .to interfere with the fort* of government on the continent; and he added • that all, the fuss which was then made in this country Was for the purpose of putting the people in a fighting spirit, to further the old policy of, all Governments of this country. He (Mr. Gibson) mentioned this tu show that not only Englishmen. but also Frenchmen, might • suspect invasion, and indulge in unfunded fear .on the subject of international interference. But the House was told that it was necessary to do ioniething to waken up the martial spirit of the people, enervated by a long peace; and that the only means ot effecting this object was to call out the militia. Oa that point he would read an extract from Sir James Mackintosh, respecting the martial spirit of the country. [The Hon. Gentleman then read the passage in ques tion, which was to the eft' et that a free nation like Eng land, full of power and full of order, contained in itself all the essential elements of an army. That the people of England had accordingly proved that in time of need they could be a nation of warriors, ehougb they were not a people of soldiers, and that freemen were brave I:fr ustum they retied on themselves 3 With regard to the panic which had been asluded to, la- (Mr, Gibson) would add to the valuable quotation made by the Hen. baronet the Member for Tamwortheanother from the same authority —that if the late Sir R. Peel in r- ference to the Pattie of 1848. On the 26th ot February , 1848. Sir R. I. eel said that after the panic which bad prevol.d, he was Old to find the alarm of invasion had .b sted—thae he Was.relieved when be heard it was not the intention tars the Government to m a ke any incr ease in the milt, Member and naval forc e o f th e c o untry. The Noble Lord the ineniber for London also said, when the panic was over, that though he had heard much of the insufficiency ot the force of the country, the contrary was the case ▪ that the country was in a state of as great strength Ita it required to he, and that it had nothing to tear from • 4127 sudden outbreak ot hostilities in any quarter. He (Mr. Gibson) was told that he ought to bow to tre authority of ditoieguiehed men on this point, and he Wee willing to do so; but when tine pointed out one coarse, and another porn ed out another, he c old not decide which to bow in. In 'act. no two of them were consistent on the setj.ct. A . la e Lord of the Admi ralty, for itoesece, had said that et , ning that an in crease in the mitt cry 'tree ot the ci.uniry was not the• nay ) he would uedertske to make all sate. Th e 4 1). and Gallant General who niter« d the amet.dment d p _otlb , ed the necess i ty of any increa s eits 'he tuiiitara tome of the country. - Theretore, though it atigt,t be Presumptuous, as the Noble Lord the Fret Commis sioner of Works sta-ed, in a private member to en te rtain an opinion on t h e autsj.ct of the eatiensal defenses, when all the autboti tea dtsagrted with one another on the point. ha was coinpeliess to judge fur himself. A late Secretary at War .hedsaid that the House and the country knew no thing about the national defer cgs, at d that a prelimi nary inquiry was, theref re, tit cessary. lased mess—in ofeots a A enures con dition-.. • inure utisstid enor y cob don, for the war party --on e more melets °holy,' one more humiliatieg, one W ere oilut ,„_ dictory, it was difficult to conceive. R.e rt i n to th. _, %e l it e o f the ques•ion, what was supposed to be dots.? • A bounty of 61. w a s to be given, an d the Noble M for :Tiverton avid that such was his confidence in the . L Pete of England that those men wh o s h ould receive *Hie bounty. would come when they were wanted. l ie , (Mr. - G.) admired the gt nerous. confi4trig spi rit of the Noble Lord, but he could not coincide with bast in his c onc l usions — more esp . chi lly as t h e Hon. member for We,t Kent bat Oat, d that in his regiment" alone there were no fewer than 800 desertions, and as it to p I n ; a prov e d fact that not% ithatstiding the terrible rise had award e d to desertion. not less than 53.000 had a per io d of te - n i•:ert.d from the regular army in the short th ose men )ears. To rely, s he, etore, on seeing again tery di, who had once und« None the severity ut =h at- gePt, line Was, to say the least of it, net wise. He u' soti) doubted, however, whether bounty men , tt (3 i fd te; be ohtainahle at all in the tmosufecturing dis r t h e wages were targar than the bounty. In that wise the ballot would be had recourse to. But the ballot e w es a pure conscription, which would take men sir prop e r emp l oy ment, and leave their families eons• 0 th parish; and it there was a justification for teat isted f or cription in milit ar y cases, t h e same j ustification e x n_ Pressing men to serve i n the navy. Such a ,72" e, however, if it was at any time justifiable, was en now, wf en, according to the statements of Mi. Past and present, the country w es in the meat ti.eeful possible re l at i on• w i th all fore i gn states. Tne 61 . before th e _ H ouse would. ts ke people back to the time eorge.lll., though the feelings of the country-on tohito 1 subject had entirt ly changed- since then. He (Mr. for inseam-. doubted it maims of strung red u k "`""elitigs would eerve even if drawn , seeing that the — W eot Wellingt on h a d stated that a man with nice t e ▪ li Plea of religion had no bu s i n e se i n the a rmy. • Wt s a t , tn Lis would h e d one , w ith t h em ? W ou ld t h ey b e sent i - ,, e o° L? -Then, twain, supposing men with such f e ,l- , 0 0 ' to be W illi ng to tsetse, were they to be brought•i nto "aot with 'the uotiety - men, ;peewee fur the must - P ll3 '. Who. had lost th hr chattier. re, 'and ail,' were too idle or too viciene to weak ? Were young and: morally t ducseed to be 411thie_111;'terd,elit."Ypuesel,oe-houaes g •with t h rall men, an d herd together its beer-ankles and such pl,cts ? U • ei newOuld it not b e a wrong sub an injustice to r " 4lo lAti-ep,rs and publicans to billet upon th:m •Okei 80 ,000 m n, whom they wo u ld h ave to supp l y w i th Illienahce at is vet redeced ;rate ? Iu every light, ther.f„ re. under which flu. quAstion was viewer', thciugh !_ f e , Bill h- fe t e t h e 11, ti,em , gr4 b e fitted tor th e times o f Orgß 111 ,•i. was 1,4 suitabh for the ativaneed inteth tette° of the nig, ot Vic one, Tee R•g t Hou. Seems Ire tor the ("Murder' had reto rte d I tn.. mani a no t h e United Stet« st in support of the n essute; but tie, f •tgot state the «xuct nature tit -it'll if lf Uttl,ll. It Was • lily tnueter.of the it,haboants capirde of bearing arms three tWee a year, at which they was no compulsion to rep awr, lurther that, a triflin g fi ee o f 75 imbue Io the six E tulend S a es , toseev r the militia h a d b eets ac littellY laughed out of To E gland th,t The- ar m y. 4 ,,f x this was vt , ea i • mP tat 1.11 0 . e as, therefore, ridiculoua. Maine, centeaiedh onllLiit.d . Sates, from Calitortia to were resident th, re ut.9 000 Well, Wtole-persons who the .uniform .; of a a r 4 , 1 1 (1 7 . 7 1 .) Years had never see n States mtlitta es eu ;' T -4:Flute the United (Mr. -Gib. op) a title de er' to &seised gave hi m intormsion. , conveyed :CI a hula chore to the to the highest ti n n it . e .. ' ' t ul at e esb Pa ad rs ad a d in r t.e esen t d i % S ' ci i s te c ` u ' ll t i le 4 t rY 1- a j t (m W ar ~et "t i a e : Watery uffice-re in 'he- Slates ads, on t he' subjro list and their replies were uniformly It...v , rse to th, 3 these officers , General Cadwallader, ~t t at Otte ef maid the effect of the musters on the esu ru t th Ybsanitt. t .1 ut the people eras most-injurious, for that rio Elton eti ,„. BB teorality were the order ot the day at ale _ ettneitu i t s e nd vice Tile set f a t strain resiifinaariy; Othersaid th e militia, in ft Military Point °r _ t ,tb vi.; worse An than useless, inasmuch as th e , t "` sehoolr of insubordination W as borne by the oth,rs. He (Mr. Gibson 4 1 , 1 the subj stud he wished to express himself stroagle. ,the Rouse should bear in mind that they were gem ic alta,w up some -13,000 or 14.000 . young men from Lanes. T Tiretied Yorkshire alone—the seat she priecipat ma . "i'leetures of this countrye-aad that thcs w. uld -be no h l t 1 : 11 interruption to the productive industry of the u - i," ° ws-and. no• light injustice to the men themselves, ii,"°lvotild be compelled then eby to forego large earn. ge , and perhaps l o s e - al.og. , tber their employments. ebe ti e_wruestly hoped, therefore, that the measure would u " , eated. • S. HERBERT said the Right Hon. Gentleman et;,,. /t ".the miiiti% as ate aggressive force conducive o to foreign warfare; he (Mr. S. Herber ), - 0 11th ir c The Eti h Y. viewed it as s' measure purely of pee e• t O H on. Gentleman spoke of the two M . ilttia a s o ft been pissed durin g a peri o d o f f o reign war; if h is w ere " nerberes) recollection se r v ed him right th y tit th h°lll palmed in periods of peace—the Bill of 1786, the • e ce rtmenceenent of the peace. which toilowed the 514 e of th A h G e 111 e. merman on t e 421 eorg .9 dor .4 1802, after the conclusion of the war, •which f o i e, 11l the year preceding. The faces were not, there 40e. ple conformity with the •statrments of the Right said , .7 ell-man. The Hon. Member for Tainworth had ko,,,l4l.Friday, that there we-re th ree ways by which 4f e vriiti a 'private stall , , could judg.. of the bee:meaty ot measures. The firs , was the sensitive rarrofi-' at t r_a I commerce, which vibra e d a ll over the country. Ae pe at- access of Ottuger. Th e We. M..cohor said or :a0 the pr ess ,- which wade overwhelming efforts to k e „„the - Public: more rapid information th an t h e Govern- NoZ!here was commerce, and there was diplomacy. ae ethe 'lli respect 0 , 133111. rtes he very mu c h d ou b te d r cow :hem, would tie sr) , initiate th e m u te o f Noth..g, as to peace or wt's. Capital hop d to the l ast ecn i , ' t " -- it wool I not leave it s usual c hannels unit ce t „,,, Pe . edee-ittid experien ce proved that in all w a r s w hi ch saff.er.eZatersiyetei tiatien, cominerce the first. to TOr 6 e 'Cla44rgo.e IMO z.tres ot vetinek in 1)080 • Satete 00 , the re f ore, he ted think commerce w as a at. Theo he I take the pros-, wham the 11.44 p,... 4 ""Qat Said w nle • ' ere Gillian?te- give its .a , bing. But to what here a t Hat we not had warning enough to sci ence-sheNiar Q e ° ,l l - u . . thought even too much—tor it lip tier, him that the hustelecriticiams, and the as• p vies • I notinitty -which had ii_flasticed -those warnu s s, t4teereft.ysubude.d and extremely injudicious, • For be h« Id etiue was t he best judge of Its .own internal yon::gxl press. either on p utt i es . for _ ry motion naturally rese e t e d th e criticisms of givi cnt„ x very or on systems ot go- NO Idea con s id ered that it was their "441"haSULIkeiiiinicitagloYeautea• T T - 1_ - PI, . .- .- S UN, -_': .'_. .-L 0 N.P.,:OISt:LE..A.r.rvAIt:- • made ' and not wi4iine to throw obstacles in "the Way''Of th. nie,ent'w he should not refuse giving it his hutitWe support.—(a.ar.) Mr. H. BERKELEY thought'tihat in thdiirrisPnt:st*tA of tUrope we ought to take measures for 'proteeting our c~uatry; but he to the calling o it'ttt mu lei s. Tttat was a a , s a t e s e pPwhPPc portion o 'Fi h edw ssntl jealousy by a r kn w inat they would infinitely.. prefer •itior4sing the' regular army to' paying a force upon which , riO4le.i vrichinde, could bs placed; The better and more - tigabel ciiursi wuyhl hi . te -increasethe army Aticilq rode he navy. He objected on nitirtil and 'social . gratuidetb th) militia tieing called out.` - Heliad heard Inagi.itrst*.: eincipliin of the great increase of critta , that'fak'pllsCitiN after the last embodiment.of_militia, in ti iniequt riet , 4r l t.he dais of persOns discharged. I_Attention 'ought 'itihtk , oaid4O the . ptilthig of efficient wersponti'dnto the hatiditof int - soldier* andaistr. thaiinproving of-`our: stead , " navy. • Volunteer torcea'should'hcenenuragediiand tbeyn should' be ailtiivett Makeit beM4lves acquainted , svith 4 the use of the Modern rifle. A volunteer.forectind , t , 'miff niter ease the army Would, in'hisorktion, side the' neceSsitt of a militia, end thotight itavota , be 4diiintile io'dtamount our yeamanrytorps'andniakef' rifirehieri • '; S(r G.' -BURBRLL' wae - Of- opinion that - a milititivi4= , Wbest , foreif . that could be - Orgaufsed tit the'predetit' moment, and that it 'would be the . = ittist•expensitie tCtlibet conbtiry. - ' r , LI4 a , mit NV; HtiEtUCK-said, that as the*.pieientittive , OfciVi large manufacturing population',' he thoughtieright 46' unon that itnportantLsubYet. fk,Thoito WereAwci 'points raiStid by thatdiscassion;- The first=-wits' Tbether tfitro' was any .necessity atall'at the Present' nomerit' for 'increasing 'our -national defeades;, tand'itig I , eand What-Vias ;the best MQe !rOitse; if any neeessil forit-existed? , '-With respect to= he firstpoiat be Should etatath-4 hebelieved , great tfattr: ttimity of 'opinion prevailed among tbegeneratity ',tic - lats.' He had formerly thought that . the - Iluble he' Member for London had been -of that opinionA". (Loud criii of ." Hear, hetir," -from - the' mioisteriatz teneheii). 'Ha found that Right Hort. Gentlemen f appe 'its Were of that Opinion. understood - that the neeeli.; , any in their b+• lief was immediate -= that there was tiotiie ning- abroad- which rendered 'itneecesary for theta '=to aka imidediate'steps for the national defence.' So the ruble Lticd the Mei:Ober fur London had also thought '—(Hear,. hear) , --and he. had, thereupon . proposed Bill. But after he had left office, - and another • Alibi& Bill had been proposed by ano , her Government' tie Noble Lord appeared to - have modified- his' teived opinion, and to have come to the conclusion that. 'vhatever ini.ght be the necessity for measures of defenee,- ' hat:necessity was not immediate. He' (Mr. Roebuck) vlievecl that there was a vague manner of talking atitiet , hat question. Hp .yvittited.r to know out -of what Aka , lecebsity arose? How Was it that all of them, with - the , xeeplon of the meCiters of one particular achoof, wheu. talking together'in IA -ilia - le upon dia.. maker. sp ,f one people and pointed only at one nitiii:thapet:tple.': , people' of France- , -ihe than; ..the` Presiden , ref Abe , : Frendh Tricky all Is AOl/11 untorunate4. that , nere was a feeling among the French peop+a .whicti4 )ad man Might' ink,' advantage of; and ~ h ey all nd helot- his Flit belitreed, that that , bast' man :'r .t presi , et in power in France.-- - (`Some low tatirteties;' .ediziarktr of disapprobation). i r t iv •w a 7 ?....7( allv ii e e r a y r - . 7 h e , 11 .1 ; t 7; . oj et tasuch an avow-lt but -What, he , would a sk, ' ,•,), say to one anoth..r in privy+r?-(Hear, Chet' sli's~id c.o one . ssiotber that there 'was at . p , 'esetitc. powef 'France a-man whir had arriveat his position'. '-- y breaking through ail the ordinary i•atictions by n-n we boded; they said" to one another that he had , • a ched t h at vosielen, and'that he 'maintained it':eolelk ,y tosteringMany of the ,projudics of his eountrymetir „0- they one another. ths a t il o i f ei t t h 4 t h ts a e t p h r i e s jati p : p e i ,.: 4 , , , “"e of the strongest unfortunately was a jealousy 01 thdi ,entry. The - Olson to Whom 'he reti-tred bad at thW :: resent Oiomeht 0 large 'army; On. thaopinion-of,that my his-tiOvier. rested: and they IsPity: with that army might•betodefitiit-ly increa%:ed . hyl' • Brgiand.—(fiear, hear.) That . was th e ci t g,, oily d i t In cetera el t t m the.. g o a cAb d o din , e ; Lt o hwri t era ps h rtn s ehos t ee h t ebttahhpsereu forrm e London a on. meaning Whatnng d,O o Ovtile:6A brelight'torward his itithOUW rs st Mr: ROE BhUoar:C:d I h t t eO b se ad w il la b o t- h is a ta d te l d ut i i t Lu eery they iafraid of? Therbad: not' been afraid befOre;' 'MS,' and before the. present . President Kati arrived at no held of 'the, Goverment of France: Mr M; 'GIBSON'beye observed that a Militia Bill. gad b e etiintittdttePd - before that- I C . 4bAr i ,agne continua — tin rdnp,hTpp butketotonesuy:dh of , before, t t ayh a t. tolstetew. questions-sop ppo b. although. nhiclhddushd e ihat h l li e-a:r t a y .s id u re el f a e. .. ed e 164 been .so inuentallts4 of—until the:events tawhich:: j ooi n g th e re *vat men , in the position which he bad gL titi6esrPreivibt*daCalPeotwite'll arty of 500,000 , tnen. in acountrr 26 , 1ailesaf ouratibiessupposing there was4n hit country a people jealous and desirous, of-revenge toe:. past reverses supposing they had arrived at a period of be world when the means of military aggression had , Teen immeasurably increased—then came the question; chat were they to do under those circumstances? Al lusions had been made to the events of the year 1804. It that time there .had been ruling in France a and to chastise parties it guilty. A or-at evil in a netghbouroar, manna nue, , tt e wet' frOm this ' cause. Teem might he this reason fit our crii;i s thorns, that we did not s ympathise with the. operations of the French nation. - But that was no reason why we should - doubtahat the French nation were perfectly con tent with their present form of government, and with the person whom they had appointed to fit the highest post. With regard to cliplomscy, iu that he admitted he bad more coi.ti , tence, becaus , its duty was to inform itself of the state ot relaii-tns with foreign powers. Any want of vigilance or due exercise of 6.utiOn would be surd ii, hi, visited wi , h censure. That d-lartenent act d' under heavy responsibility, and whoa ther. f .te . he found that . two - Gove:nments had callei on the country to cOnietit: ' to a Militia Act, he felt he could not refuse his assent to it.(Hsar, hear) The Noble Lord (Lord Palmer` son.) . sp -ke of the diff-rence in 'our - insular poSition, He would not eXoa.tiate on that *Observation. So long . as the wiltd . blew from the west, an d it did thi s fdi three. ;istil of th e Icier -- (LSughtercertititily the wind' had lately blown front the east' nearly - a quarter of alyear," bat there were three still to eome; and the wind might,, change—but it ssed to be ' ve long - as the wind blew from the w es t, all w h o had the rei-PouSinilitY o r guard ing b our coast, by' securing the 's , ),fety of the uhaii.ne.. - might sleep i n p eace—that time ad 'acme 'by. We ffi , ha il- . at present , a navy p re - em i nent i n efficiency througneut. the rorld. France had a powerful' navy; and was the m ra 't in • It ermines power next i n importance-to Great —rl wa s "H, however that the French itiaLey w as infeij , v numb .ts, and, perhaps h e might a dd skillict.if . t;c 4l 4(' advant • axe over our resit-Is, 'Scattered' ' over world, of concentrati o n. F rance had only one imporiant• Station, to guard, the Mediterranean Station. 'She Catild • els , carry materials of war from her Inagehinea - and del b s with More facility. We' inust'also not 'leave :ow, et account, in calculating the prnbabitity of a wer,' tht; ports from which un invading fnrcietaight be • sent; ate we mush also see hew' far our ;defenees are complete;' and where they are' placed as protection to our coaata. We had a navy in a very rfficteiit state—iti * greater • state of efficiency than ever wad known. 'He agreed its that opintott;Was our first Hee, - ant ,if • that . were navy thiough it became thetti but br, - , •o k u ,n r consider what force they had to cotnpeneek - , fur that disaster, and to resist'oppression 'on our shores' —(Hma, hear.) A return which had ,been much. us. 6 in debt , e—mioied for, he belieied, by the Hon. Member fir :Montrose—gave, as he would show, a very false itn- - pression of the amount of force in our possession to IN— .ist, invasion. The re•turn was moved for in an unusual form, for the Hon. Member moved for a return of th largest amount if force in full pay at present there turn showed tir fere , . of 51,000 mei, and 17,000 artillery. making a total of 68 000 wen. Now, the usual returns always distinguished rank and file from servants,: - band, and casualire', which t gerher firmed 'a considetabV body of o en.,Tne new return :did nothing cf the sort and was thereiere a delusion so tar as 68,000 alleged eff-ctlve . *Lace ti as coi.c.reed. The pensioners *ere set down'at 16 000-9 000 or 10,000 of this number were in Brew' 1 ni, Ireland, or Sentland, end w- re the utmost Abe , citilr be uckuned upon. Marines ashore Were stated to' be. 5,000 hot when war approached what would beconi: ot these 5,000 cnett?—(l - lear, beer.) It was these nor we deprunea upon for meaning . our steam-fleet. H. w• could they be re Ittined am oig the defebdera ashore ? —(Hear hi-at.) Then 5,000 set down for coast guard H. cloubooi whether the rt-venue with their service. Then the dockyard' men iii time • war, he suspected, could not bit' spared tram . the ship.' site. —(Hear, hear.) :f he Irish constubul -ry werets' bousatio strong aid a most ffieient -body of men: Btu' he would ask the Fuse wo-eiher the state'ra Ireland wa such —w nether war would make - such a differ enceiti the: state as i n rend. r it safe or prudent to withdraw the body of men?—(H. ar, hear.) F,tr the metropolitan - pt• lice seven ite•u and was set down; but he suspected`` th - • n would be wanted for their beats ill L•inrion.--(llesr hew.) Vt' hen these 'soda's of torn w; rte enuiners•ed; wouitered the courarypolicei and gains-het- v ete were no• • at the same tine added, be causli they were just as :trails able as tioe bodies he had woumerated, arid m ore ea sy t, be got at. He would state the •ami.unt of torch we retail • did posses for defence against invasion.. We had, witt artille,y, about sixty-seven thousand men ; 'From -- tho numbe• must be cl: ducod twenty-two thousand, 'the ' number of troops in Itelaud; fir' he deubted whether: in the case of war, we could with - trait/ those troop `row Ireland. This left us tor , y•five thousand men From this number we • must deduct the siclr: the deserters, ' the recruits, officers' servants, ant others not pruduc-able in line. He would put the . umber at one-seven b. Competent t ffieers had ra tied between tine-fifth and one-eighth ; he,• however;. took the number at one-seventh, and that left us with .38,000-men. From this number must be deducted 5 000 t- it tee defence of the Channel islands. Guernsey,JerSey, Stu There were other deducii us, which .wetild•redud the available "number to 29 000; but to - this numbs.' must be added the pensioners, which, after deducing tht old and unserviceable pen ioners, would give an'iolditioll' of be lw.eti 7 000 avid 8 000 men, making The tfisctive streng re - for defence. about 37 140 west. But then s ,• must have men to defend our forts and arsenals. Ports mouth would r. quire 5 000 men, Plymouth 5,000 men. Pembroke 3 000 Then there was Sheerness, Chatham, Woolwich, Deptford, Purfi.--et, and Tilbury. which woule require at least 10,000 men. In short, with yeomanry ' anti constabulary, h•- did not think, including infantry a nd cavalry, we could depend on more than 28,000 mee tor &truce. Now, this was not a force that might bi consoler. d as perect in e fficiency. It would be lotted •ro be c.,mpes. d of small bodies unaccustomed to act to geo.er, and not, then etore, so c ffielent as if trained an• disciplined to act in concert. It must also b recoil, cted that in Grt.at Britain there were constant demands for troops to aid the civi power. In large and populous districts, should war b. declared, trade would receive a check, employment woule c ase, toed woo d rise. Would the workman, not alto gether trsc.able in p.ace, rest tractable in war, with al ors d scontews aggravated? By denuding those counties of the small force now requtrt,d, Government would ruie grnat risks. He wanted to ask - the House to consider by what treetho's this deficienc y of thfeucti was to be met?' The Noble Lord the Member for London 'proposed fin augmentation ot the pensioners, but he thought number of pensioner s was not capable of any very greet augmentation; in fact, if an increase, instead of a crease.. its anticipued by -the late - Secretary at War. was anticipated, be thought the hope would provost, deli-' Mon. The Noble Lod did not object to 10 000 embodied militia. - Hou. Gem!. man proposed an augments- torn of the regular army. There was a - particular school which objector to a standing army, but the standing army rec. ived an almost unanimity of praise. The' regular' soldier was mere effiAent, but his 'cost was much moll than the m•litiain in. The question to decide woe whe.'s ther this greater, - ffieiency t.ti the regular giddier was cow' pensive(' by the greater outlay. Th e n bj• et to l oo k at web which was the beet anti cheapest peace establishments the best elate to he enlarged to a - w,r establishment if the necessity should arise—which was the most suscep tible nt enkrgemerir, a standing army without the assist.' mice, or with the tosistauce of a militia, suppose war was to t,ke plac•-, and it ttacstae re quisite to enlarge th- - army to 80 000 awe ? Jut 1846 the largcat number ot soldiers Were t1..1i ttlil ill one ye-ar, to meet the demand. owing to wars in Lidos; the number enlisted was betweer , 22 NO 'and 23 - 000 alto. To etilurr a fordo of 12 000 melt .0 80,000 ; would; at that raw, - I'd quire threeyears. - Now, we bad ,his experience with militia, that- in the' last wars 100,000 volunteered into the line. Th6e Mel] would Out have teen- had if they had :not been-ie the militia In 1813, 19 000 minus Went into the reguiar erns>. Je would ask was it not part of the - system to depeud on the miluia tor recruiting the•array? In bail. s •in Portugal and in " Europe, the - militia occupied imporlaut purity.- The battle - 01 Wa-erloo was gained with only about 18,000 regular infantry, the rest of he British-tr.iops being -militia drafted - into the lute. He stored these things to show that it was not ' proper to cell thee militia a usetess forth.' It- was said by some Hob. Member that it was not advisable to train men for the militia, as that system would tend to c , vete' a • dangerous population. Other. Honourable Members said militia ceuld not be turned to account in' • case of invasion. Both these'• arguments he thought could not be tenable.- tis far as the' Bill went; he re greatest that both - Bills wer.-not consolidated. Several parts might • b improved, but as they were discussing .tbe principle, be ' would nut gointo the first place, he considered the •force required might be got by volunteers. The experience or. 1809-10 11.12 and 13 proved that militia could be- - raised by boUnty. The ballot was used in the country, but in London the tattoo' was raised by bounty and not by ballot. The Member for Manchester said - that • was in the ' , ark- ages or George 111. But -so recently as 1831 e " 1 " 01 - Wood •-Mid de , sot rain-d 1,100 Men in the - county of - by Luny and not by ballot. He did not see Y the same ta tsa to'i - tem wit. 0 h d es should not now exist., No sits which ut its disadvantages. Tee question a of dang er .and to decide respected the balanee opinion as tonne diffieulty, • Without giving any his he det a il s • arty details as of the Bill' be should give -establishment •of a tar 48 the principle of it was the meet the want. nt. tirade - force elastic enough- to tact, be 'wilted nu it as '.",.. l !°trY in an emergency. In , dusiry—ohon„ur—..ot 7;3l"tireuceof property—(Pn' we lf are of the that constituted-- the to pay the price, they we i r, ad -it they were unwilling lion.—( Hear .) It was, he 4 , eret rZrying of the protec. enjoying great wealth, and'the luzatiotitrue that a nation' wealth, tumid it a difficult matter' to measzbich- followed revisite to preserve it. But it would be d i s graceful, - sacrifices would be a great stigma owtheir 'boasted mail, it th e y showed , hemsetves so enervated by ltixurratrtilo',..if t their duty to the institutions and to thet set religion: of tater uoutary. and i f ,h e y showed an unwill,ngne„ to make those etfirts—Ateodidwith' some inconvenience, he would u place their country in such a state Of defence as would Secure it against- attempts-to invade it, (Hear. hear.) Lie: hoped they would not ,how theta seise s like th.- petio le iu Hot) Writ, who lived "careless and quiet, but vititle land being g , od, - the invader came r hest.) They had,' suit put them this -sword. ( siva- ci, advertised their by their discu:stons oil .bit weaknes4. and •hrough the 133'44,6°1 theirGovernments had prod orat•d the neet ashy for s,•mo additional military force; anti I - Lavinia done so, it. they tell 'back without making au Lt.-Aunt to rem•-dy the deficieecy which t h Y had not onl ) admitted, but proclaimed, they •would be gu ll l ol•trea-oii to the welfare of trosir country. - . Mr. STANFORD had Itstened•to the able and elo q toot spe..oh ot•th- - !tight tl u. G.lnitman, but wished htl had t xplained what was Abu species of danger which they were called on to - guartt against. It was out of the question to believe that roe Fit-non could ever meditate cue c , uquet of England, with the view of ptrmailently willing tn. MiielV. 8 th tt, IN,' Alan he jed ger • apprts n . ther.f o re , . wate some sort of inmost...i t 'tor the-purpose tf man would mischief and plunder. E very ' 1 admit that we I should take seeps to H hutird 'the,countr • y- eig must such a dither; and the questi o n was, whether a militia force was the one beet calculated to meet the emergency. His owa opinion was rather in. favour of increasing the re-, 4 '. • 'UM& titatia.,ll‘,ja.Kaglia latialitt het , e,httt)iii f': ,, : oi..,..4,,th P ,:,t,,. : ii9,;;iir: P ,:::,,:i : , . l .. ::: l ' lii..,.io:s:t,:ft‘ e :t.::,:rs),t,!:,6_,i: i et.rp: : it,ii ! ed,t: e q:_.,ti,:wdv s htr l : o vtd...t : bi6rt:)e : :,:o v r,ai ,; ,p,ii:i; : ,:: Ll vie : zh4uoiil,_ _ t a:: e :: : i:s,::yi c ,vu,: a e:4 . ruts4ii_7.9o4 t p : 4 a .merw6otf?pl l o;opois e x.rr7rhs.p e eo4g n dw:3 : luso o roeud. l tiQwtp t i.hega : hrdr d .roo,G6oho.aBl a ehuinwa s 4eie,govnoe._ r ayh9ri ; .:re fJ h,t.cai:? e. 'Alba: What ' 5i011244-,poit:b.,i6ilivi.c7L,.te to the necessar t y .hi t t ri . l ,o i sr u .ot i h n t.. g i ; pl b ° !; :: : 1 : 6 : , i t 6 6 1 i: l 1 ; I' ;e o a ' 1 4 . : S i : tl 4 ll . 4i :I :: : ti:411.;41:612:1 th e proposed r t leb . e i re ti e : e l I t ilt; g° : .. a f;..s _ tta ' )ln( ' '':gf cleare'''r:'9e and case, . r i i67ti d elil°'‘ , -: : :111 f i ted• . n wi i : t l lae a ;e t a ndte O h.gltua d ;g1 I 4 e tceh . e o Prde f t. ea, 0., adopt;. while the ini -Ifoi/ed, be.inisobleibu, , (Il i ° e,,stahlish would, he be '.W,.. - Atit'o l .4 - t" tihkr-- . -? *) - ' .rir xtoott:::::::::;::rL;ri.;.is,rf4eiet,ii*tyi,th.i.htoheerr.s,i:oen,.o, thanedr ihiioh4e4Otetviii obli,7,...sittst addressed the House t p r i i i ii i ew,:hi t i,k et o ii ,o u I.lOrni - raised to .this measure, one: tiliiilo:,fintatilf;:t62tfibl'A'! 99-101 Y; but: bath 9( there, I 'ithitOtiOii..ony.'.iie4i- f - . '4 P 1 : 40, it:has d heen denied: o'''':ahi . blA A t4 i) , , , m ii S Y for such 4 measure: . 4§ - this, p d f l t iie b i 40 . 6 . 6 . 6 . 6 i l),t : vt . this*great 14ngdoni in a pro,-i rven assumipg,,s4o,....)4es,te.ordly it is o on t eA ded, th a t", (node nor is:-00a-ttilp'c.: e•oAtY. to exist, this is not the 1 0 61046 ii iik , , • - I ,t o i t , f 1,C.. 111 , which -that , objet can be iid i t a fiale the eic`oin i c 6LiCve the necessity. is .proved. Lf#46ll'qeOle;2iliti "cl/41Cci,e3,:, to which ,the lion. and •in 'it''''::iit i' - tsso:l,;• g o,e,;.i.ift!;,.ll.Fq:',ityit beCat4p there is, di . OP,i l n - Plotitiiiirits , ',.,iFal 4 " - 4 : 9 . PP . CT'eI. , P_ROibilliy, it lafge .4 4 6 6 entleii 3 4. ''dr i-FP..., , Th , gt6 the-iipeO,tirab,.'.t,3 and, ro''''itiiye'; , lirrp: e tr 6 ll . 6i. r . ,),tl .l megiate iOistsion of these, ivillYl6ll:eite4,iiii:iSfitiirelllG, .!° and :Learned, Peritlensan . PO'g,.ttlati -4-illiai',ll,i'ild„,i7faC,.l3,ad been . placed in the 010 , -5/0/ii..fif - q - the . 1 .• •• , 0 ?;onope'sk„ I( *as . proposed in • gVidilorkilibsolit b the, 6 6 7 1innie t nt. of 'Sir. 11, Yeeli it ( 1 ,L*1',.7,, LlN4ii-ell)'in,'-'&..7..!,tnlPeet of the Noble ,Lord ,•4 ~* Aki s i id te,l o l9. ,: i. ;; ; ., . :6 " _u j eara 1847 . .and 18'48; and: Ciilo47llidttitel6ii;ild j rckr .',l9.l t ud that this :rneaSure is :cirbiltinstiiticrli'3iihieh-Aiti;; i ' ‘ ..f.ar of particular Franc..,—(44ear„ hear) Teen, i ‘ e ' eetl Y taken , place In prnindt' it 04 i6 : 1: i i il 7 how is that necessity obialt'hibi.til,ii..lt4hAttjd by. an eo n. `fir st Place, - hi; this f#O t ' 1 '.'.btl2":i°rhet6ii:i*:l.' opposed ir d . i itilt4 b 4: ; ;Y ; gi fik t ie : : 1 °': i i - tkiet thatl' I t El i if' something '' !' i 'd4 : ; st radt highest i°B eG ' O u e a l e °4l t *allt h 9udt ai t Generalbs it ri :dt i °hi s enas& a : datt C4st - iititi the!.Gb3eeiktimbtft,to see that the'couttry •. , , - is in a state .of dervnce; - flc i• that . koinething wore , ke..reti-Oire'd th ey t base all found ' tectibh:than 'his proiett' Or the CliOntrigiticCe;ito hitherto ---6 e ._ fi 0 ensure that dune.pro- Thirdly, it is ~, the, , :tv,inbei , lo ... , riverco i l .. im W hich t t h h e in Nob o l n e ce Lord in -the'Cehise‘ or tlii ,- se' dotes inreibr e tlie'rffieniniii:or,,iteiiin,; .. a _ 7 alluded to, that 1 4 ''.1.0044r9n; ' 4 '444' :11, - 'inotitia by which much tPrilialicuartei°:asili: iion',l,i' ,bot - ln . ';i4iii.,t4l, -might' b;,' !v'tett an iDCUT• 'brought 'wit the ":llthilli s of Oro' :it! WAS f:iefOre,', -'fine titre` torli q eshilitiee than ever n ar ' i 4 o' . `ir t i h :n f :t,l ii :a rg Lf t 7ri:: e te::: .6 th t.t e h o ll til ul ...'. e B l 9h t tlian t h h g s ° t : n as . ' G.,,,,;:if;ii.paii,:,,,,,.4,..:06 nar y , __ ht • !w • ei6r , ..... , ,n. and Learned '461),/qj4,3 4 bi : 7o'!freitiitit in times safelyP Po w erf ul or.nurile7 i • „ - , . , , .. i f - fratiii'o,oo4,6n4`: ie . ') Yeu,vtiyiiii‘y i i , , , k t.) Protect s un .lare't#•;SOna.aThicti?,PrOiret,ttr•ll;',9.itsi'y 6 , i:,,,°::ialobek: rTeandesea 0 t 0 un Or . ,94O'ie , .'f' - iiiii L lben it ii sa i d by the (4. l 'i ue - m en 'a f s . : i re % o e f .ho ,, ~,i .;:ii. ~-,,,;.: ... . ~, —4.,ae t , , i'6' t G ie h!:l 4 , l: : :l ,4lll: ll ' l o l46 : . .. 4 : 7, : n tl ! t i llt !:: 9. : l): in EP W l i din :ri tl i: ''' : i n2't; :: : : ' p tth (l) :i r ti t ;i a lia :t n i7t v r ' i ret' i: cP o -n rt ' i h ,e (T enc e :3 : o l l 9 v i i:i teh a i n e. . t 1.:. _ : 1 lii) ' a ~ iii i er o i i i3 t l f 1 : 81: i d i ti iie j 4 : o o ' 8 . ii in tl . if3,_tiliiiti:t.::iterio':yd,,.„-et:.(ttsi:ilirt,::6l;ti'ail:::lt',..:ll,li',6::itnin4rit:: ,tl'itibtliy9t4'4-4:d.,.o:::eti,iii:i.it?ii.:::;:etit:ilitaiii.u-,:atitud: ode . 6 , 4: tst:dTe o t iit 4 troy • he . i I, ‘ 13 : i ne.: ; 3, : :: ' : 1 : oil' you . Th d oi o h oi s .11p are::, u wt itt i u ' r r c: t or i t ; ° i g s r i owl ,211 . P 1 i i : r t a te . e i oo e 4ool ' teue:ieuradhoetl be I,o6o;dt t :f v f .,:Bo, B : 9te. pm:oth b ytii:o l3: loah the :so. 'su r prised nor, upon i h liaardwn . iaou_i protectp .., i , t toeokshtru i tbneda hh i.tessli, h e a:,e t ab . nliatoti a d h ohii aeninoaaildYnd. has ov.u4e4iliaoli;&;: ,- loiii'i I' am eti alekie the e ;;hid S'iltie'd' - iti'e'idea . that ' ' ' a mere ci""i4 i r e s s 7i. o p f their troops . You for ruir e g d i paper Coas t of r ond for '`' tvinlistits,,t,terg,ht,....mt.ttotwpin.otittshoen,lir roenv•entilueem '-'4t.ltimMillsear4n•W:lol4:lltreGdion'-3.lide.r.,V:WA,.l4,etireliS,;(li,aemndiiedi:::td4 a l: e u n t . t i : I: , e elvr E. q a 4 Eau. ': 6l 3l 4 e e tu r b_ er-,A1:,11:4,.0,C41-n:l_,E*E,'4'i..-..-:l:4lps:l:l'Wct,....,itviih...re, regard 'men ~ ii . si . 0 ,, , ',. o P f 13 : i r is::: 4 e w e 8. , :vr ..: :: ,t4r . 70; 7,44 1 ; , : t ii' 0 5 : 4 4 e 1:: : 4a .p 5 10 i prop o sed r ' :r i l: 9 : . c i am h m :e a ny4y t . . eßeonfui undefended endlivotheelclist'd th e . al l l l :o l i a.i t st °6 : ai g ::: 4 o : 4°4')Mcti 'l'444ll'4ll"iill bii w ould be mod . 4 ; 140 i t:,4(pd . ,, - .l3,tit thfittst4hoilY who wil l g o iiiltinpoefr - Find I'''''' * •: vil ''' 11. YJICe "d"-. then .n2..t9,tliati-o:nne,.6:iii: a ._ : i t:it: 6 . thiabt,ertebe ea it: Ireland. o v r 4 53,)'',talkl:ttloc4;illforsi:.ihacoloaies; but the s am e. ti,yeceq"9:elitiO I-Oil than e ll, l loit:lfiti- o. :t Ivi, e 4 iiiibi:icith ready fr-e ; l t, p liu7 ' ' bring he cdeftl. colonie s ,ic, ( h il O je mi : .1: e 1 . 61‘23 . 1 large ; ut t h a !provel i n i d s a ' t : s s u b l e lna d s e i t 6 n i i a n o btn o n n he : O a w tul u p to whichupon tbisuci;;m.b4iol tau_ i ste d; o . nu takeitg °w o n t ; merits, and the colonies, you will, :I • think, tied it difficult to ... -nind, gigantic almost beyond the conception of put Your :finger on a colony from which you can bring atm, the first of generals the world had ever any great body. of troops. Ict some of those colonies Known, and commanding an army whose ex- our fellow-Countrymen have gone out as emigrants, and units bad never been surpassed. In that year, by we are bound to protect. them. In other colonies we are he mere acetdent that Villeneuve had not been - sorrotind-crby foreign• ra and regal:4 to be on the alert. gold enough to oroceed up the Channel, Napoleon had In diteravre,are bounded by large and powerful coun een prevented from attempting to invades our shores. tries, - andit would not be safe to leave them undefended. , -ie had had under his command 60,000 m e n , who m he But ihe greater number of those will be found to consist 'ould have put on board a flotilla in twenty m inute s; of military ,ti tat. ions, such as ,Gibralt a r, M a lt a , th e l a . Ind, as hA had himselt stated, all that he had wanted tor ;Attu Islaude;the Cape; the Ilerintidas, Lab ua n, & c ., and in invasion of England had been that he should have the garrisons could not he_withdrawu. I think I have r',utici the Channel tree for twenty-tour hours. But. the showntht4htartt6aceniesiegt:sdcii.tfyz)tyakfrotrdistthriebumtioeuasourrealretLanve. rovta f ie of this country had prevail-d, and he had nut had . brought forward ,' -1 mink I have shown that you canre-t he twenty-four huurd. But, had not steam since givea. ! f ieet• . :. 40 e a y n e d r, t .t h o e id a h ren itn y t e h h a o t n i l n d. e tht , n oa tt ,aftrii; 'the ot, y :6 i) chi r p , j exi s. dt , ! s tig 4o f o Oi t r b fie in o, g or by withdrawing un a koock.d ,doven?--(Hear,-;‘,ll,litat-,1., V ti ~., s e, .e,,,n,44.4t A n. V‘ l4-' ' - h,, l'ir:'ilared : for: war. gain be faun e ) Some Pet'pl e, . • heSe tweniy.four hours, was said by the '!he midst of those circumatances•he ought ~to ,advocate ;• ..a,,a.:ql.:* , l . e t Vir ~ ,ppfi.ai e ag to.t he best way of meeting But he wanted , :ttteSeikrik.„bi erhetlliftigink In a if the men promut lig th e arts, tr.O"kdn'n'ewirwftheYo,htePewacase 11,P:aivnead1-1, (" ss e - a li si tr.w g. el4. d,- el icon the ,et,.. p sue , a •Ax , 0-, itrs;:eiAo,:a,'ir we can; ' tied the -fore , „a l ti,i,e ',6 ;, / ,- •• '--- ; ,r,..‘ ,o •ortc . the bes(tv'dy to.niaiti iiv.rt eta ir m bein,t robbed dad laughter ).. Did he owe his asafeiy , to Al t_e-prompka tuf t ; tiiat,, ,: -. .,e n i,. ; •if- the G.*sp - 61, or t.,,,theint.verenee of the poace?- _(ilea' f,!there fi j i , ~' '. er, %4y i i.l : er tilt'Yoti'en theet ii; and as ciewed crieuut " Sear, bear," . and , _ laughter.).:.: For big :tijr th i rze , who, ai''' hatilainti:.WoreeWhitt quatetlY said, promoted by re person'a, .thirik:r • by raking Mart he. believed that peace - was f -t, fa-1 1.1f 1 0 a " .0 Or right and p6Wer.of sell , Making:. himself exceedingly formidable to bey . body. .tiread litmt, ,at! , 1 _ . 6 a,!' 1 04 oiatikind in as . defencPless a slie might attack him;—(fiess.,n,,,,x.) . lie had IN eaved. state as ,When, they' dameioto lit e s id t m . I ',ha l ',,h,, 01 no a pamphlet, in which it Was, stated, ,•,bat,,. if - ie., i Freneh harm jr (;: 'n.a!t„g'l.*!! .e ate r ttt ii t t .:1,, ,. 4 -,, ne il ' i hiij; a i n eti• be k,cl remain perfrotlyaraceah 9 said ;they 41 out t far. the to ce invaded. un we ought to ' ~ ' ..,„.., if b • ' t their o w n argument tears - Lau htet • AiSUDITUr t - ' • - pro- eat the . invaders grow ashamed ottliecnwave>a and -( g . ,.. ,) . „,..,) g' i:tat . the necessity exists ot pro,. ot a' state of , ida,tilute 'coutu,..ion.-- ( Hear,-- hear, anti, , viiiit'!g -- 40die , neausi!t tl , 0E 61 '7 , g - --vt aat is the best means infighter.) - That wan•thesort, of view which lbw lien. .ofeprOitditig. - 1 - er 'oilVatif#l4? - 'l'&,re . 'ar.•3 several Means Wernher tor, the W e st , Riclitig . (Mr. Cobden) took of fatikieSted. , The 4:o3'...a4l.l4e'ariied Gentlernan su g . eta ge • • • - 1 .. He wanted-to know , ariss(hcir/see ortels'ilitipa-oilier a • •.• t he subject .-(ae fi eweailaughte .), .i t twitycbeeo, Jaw • nel "it ' fiki.' ' ' on, Gentl.- men sugges ti 6se - of t a mv..:44,h,. ,, r 3 .....„ -, .. •,_ . whether, if human nattoe - was w lute - had g - - d,,, - a ..,-_, -, T , i ld --,-. -,,,, ..-..9n. tauntieman wuo .se lust •in :t his country, an oat ~ the dire pent eua'gestedan • o • - f the pen littler did lent at present e ~ '. , mgrst•tfi., Gat i limat - Geh' t i • . , 3 . , erea s a 0 , • whether it would taitbe reasonable to-provide a gainst , , ~ ~:N.--,•• ; • ..,,..,. , . Pllart • k ugkeit ts an inertias° of e riebeaof , two voittateerd title the il ' They . had-here riches,- almost beyond` th ~( 08, 6 4td r it ~., ~•lifebte•Lord actually goes back 1,10,01)8,40er and if they were not prepared to protect- . . r4 . 4 f , ',..., 1 1', ~ ~ 410.Y.0;"'velth regard - to the - increase army in a. utegbb atring• , . : I e their -riches. ..how' ,could- an I :fi c an e i % v ii s l i 1 ' n ..r, ietifrolttLL'-'"•1 said the artnyli Well, don, ocomtry,. powerful almost , beyond cuncep ben F at. "Mien ~,•,,,,,, , i ,,._` -r ... ,-;2_ c t f , El . :e ,,lti but I think that PrOpOsition pected . to , resist the. temptation to become invadsrs c r: 117:o d c 7r ii " e ,,:i7X t l ih u i v i e. ff „ o 49 s ll 2 direr again: .` Swe did not doubt. the - gaildnesS of human attla`-e;-. r em... h. bu d -.beau of - 20,000 to the army;' ''',,tl 0 end propoSed s up p o s e e i•-•11‘ 'history,-he found that every i itat_on- that -- . _ ,• , e ki . ,,, e ,.6_•i t co i l i tic ti Tl.i t *hat,:woeld you have. said? rich! and.weak• had succumbed. He wanted to sae iiint. i.vvho want a large at a • ( Cari na " G 4, 6verilm"t"' Here are 'men country - proclaiming -: and praotisiog peace - and justia . - ' , i ,, With teiliiert i iiii . m an - Tg .- "°Y•"•here are' people who hut at ' f he . same , :time saying. . 9 Touch Pie if . ' you dare.- . at e , way in which . - We F' ar, -"i" ' in' this country:' • That is (Hear;-, hear ) - .Ilow. - disastrous'. would -be the . b_ , ~ ~., e ' 4- -bid hatai been 'Met, and the etiu.equencest not only' to , :•-Eoitiapd, . but: to Illa . nktod , nig• ergurnent• 14-00* tided . n iwifitt.en i ..,, ~,, • A „..' ;," 1 behatise we WituriO.: in in geuerat,-- if .•a marauding army were ,to eucatOP , : lo °O !. 4 _,.. t, Y.. to +b intend to do so-- , litit in Lontou,-.(Hear, hear.). . And when he was told that, iiecautitaivin.xyltaivt ', ..,,e,,nM)130,4d-'the Bill.--4Cheero But • ' that was 110 t likely' ;o happen, let : him state t h is f"l''''' Ana!! 0 I tw i ron , i d eit t , tent tti . 7 this ceuraefiret; 'if you go • that Landon was the only capital itt_Ettrope - in which: st• 0 1 Y 100 i__ 4 i .. F le ~_ _ ii,krrciY,-'s4sthAr: cOnntrieti will to the • French army -had not planted • its staudards.e , (Hear.) , ea 1 1 . ,,L 11 7, 3 :;,, 4 7. mai ' 6,0 .o.,Preparations'te net yiiiiii, and - It was silvery- well ; to talk of peace; _but that , army, had: oaf . "`" Witt g W on fif ! be 31 1 4'1 °' aget an - natant that at' roamed over - Europe, checked only by. hetroat:firatiand4 aleigt ~ ey-- an. n enathrtthee :to the - CoulitrY .iti ateed - el , a defente.', r The• '• - then by Eugland; and - the French =. people were at pre .. , second objection 'is' still ri ;'' b - Sent morealeairons. than . ever- to -have . theiurCttengeo .100 ger, fend' bah ° . ol ' . ..often', and 'often' urged. ' The - Contemplating that. question, not as an Eoglishmsui•lante LIOUIItY•of-cdOlM f 011 , th eW o el , lrOt stand for many' -Years a 'as one interested. , in the destinies of -be sad !air 1 ... , t ea " ° ,,,,..,.1.!f 4 tal3 C . nniftls it: it' shoWa that = a that the t- friends - of peace ought ,to afforclibeir aitt.in• 'Urge merest) . te t 'or „run-stir:y-1a viantedfOr an .ernergency",. the e ff ort to strengthen E, , glaod: for ' the purposes :01 :and net te•-me tn e , Obey 'Which- may' not rise for peace itself..-.(Hear, hear.) - . He believed thattbere , was =months or Yearf' a it wieliserVed hy " the R i gh t H on 'danger, and - that =that danger- ought to - be provided- *-riciiirtibte•':Gl i at , m he n a - L ee. ,i,d..: :l4t f • .Sit Roheri. Peel that . against. , - But 'hi felt persuaded that 'the :beet,-.mode of :this notint7Ltt . .. 1 :nal fits'' . ati reeaida"tereign 'attaining that object would be in-the first.place to,usakn, flountritaC During_ the-b_ot -fits; the n their:louse was et- . our Own army and; navy properly ~ a- v ailable.,-(Hear.) tiainielyfibetal a cold fit then'. m ute o oh and there was A, large portion of our navy was at- present cruising. eentiemYS'oooo parsimony,` -Sir, that is not the way in the aleatierraneana—(Hear, hear.) Why 'should it . • in 'irhibla'a treat 'bottntrylike- drill fight to be governed. be there? .If there was - any -danger, , to England, be....-(Cheers.) ...-(cheerst.) =lf you:want-Ai-force to protect' urselies; wanted to *now why the .great mass of :nor naval force • ,yoa inusrhave•ontethat will- be readywe-ie Q. - O/d at hand. was:not in the Channel ?•:. He wanted tO . - - knOivi 411'thei. Yitti.l:ititiy . l i ayailtati•nittid'i by 'the. Gallant Colonel bee' next- place, why our colonies were so governed that , ourc, hind Linci ., ' Well;- , you' arWeitig to call'otit the militia; great niiiitary:: establishments `were abroad.—(Llear,'• but thatelaTiottbe object." • It - 'iS ,te - bob' ith mi litia hear.) •If these two - questions Should be:.satisfactorily, :body of men, partly drilled,. i e qu•Pljed, and ready , kno w-' answered, be should afterwards ' proceed to consider ing 'their datitityaindinfider the:co:l4.ot of - theit' ' 'o ffi ere what was the best.mode.. of meeting Immediate.: danger . In case:i an emergency , 7 arisel. - There ar i, t , _, Jac funds if it should - exist. it was his opinion that f i ghting ..was wjliah,iiiiitity the ambiishtnent:of a ilitia Is cogntradia very much like every other business, and th at. he. •wlio -,tiogtlislieddrom .those : who joitify. 'an inerease Of the was bred:to it-would fight:best...4El4r, hear.) Ha had away.' ,,, The":zeitaiuggeatiow: , is large-addition to ti 6 net much faith in the , military' capacity.- of ..what was f,pensionerai , We ere' told --that • 'there are 63,00/1 called a- militia,....-(Elear, bear.) ..The. Noble Lord I_llo pensiOnerala',Euglaud and Ireland. Au :L I ei ngtatid there Member for London had:said that the: art of war, hod, are; 43,000a.1hat what does; the' Home think Lithe age been wonderfully , improved of late ',years; and :•110:.(411r,‘. - oPthesei•. pensionera?'• '.hlatlY - - Of them; :: - have. been Roebuck) should say -he believed that_thereitad otiver ? alitabledihyt wound* end - .:Wg.servine; but out of the whole been so great a distinction between a rabbleand an army ~ .40,4)00,, n dt snore-than under th e age ht „ as' at the present:- day, . If, therefore, there: were any ~(;itearr.)•.<o.ror the age - of,T-70 - there are no teas than 4,000. danger , to England, and any necessity for increasing- Nor do,,Lthiakitcwouldbafair.. to. draw three run away, 'oar delencee, ...he. should say that ; after ; fearing ,t when you have an oppolenitY of calling in the serf ces that one: • present, forces were ,properly .. employed, • of,yettnitr:r and abler. meo. -.'; 7•'j , , : - we ought to increase our, national army, It .Was ' -" , ,..Mr. ti,l,cg XoBo.asmldat loud .-.crimlsof ." Order!" said there was a danger iii a, standing army, and -ii. Chair 1" . tie . : was amcmusr to ea.ptain. The proposal 'Frame was pointed to as ,an 'exemplification-of btUniadeureterred not4o,tirawing pensioners from the o d that danger; But he believed that the army oi Franco, staff at !;presetit:: i n existence, but those who would be at pre s ent . expresse d t h e opintons of the people. t‘wilthdra sin from. bo:-regalar 'army. of:Maw:le, and that the Government , established there ..„,,,Itdr. :sVieLl't,t4Er-17:ehall , DOW proceedto the next "wait exactly what the:French people wanted. illu-Shoted ituggeni.ipn,,.., - the, ,erteoiongement -of : the.: volunteers: 'nether say . that ii a large increase were made :to mor n .010 - a i C.ilild 4, RPM ,; b ark,. ab,:affloient body . 41 1 o. ‘vo.unteere., row ao the English h for . 1 ' ' -.- ' cif the; volunoter system was th alloy, e, one., • should 'loom . lin- ,- ‘ llhe 1 prisielp '0 : ... . ~ fear fur tbr Ibe . were , st liberty , . at any wigs tom tha t rues ut Ettgland;— (Hear, hear.) Bat tol , one er,!aevery „one of - to go a way • di..tence wun id.the hest ramie of providing ter tne national hem' Abe,: aerviOlir -.SP' long. - ,. as . enthusiasm and eubjeet,he abou b l e d tulave Ihe . militia . • „Now ,upon that . patriotism,: . and , :,dra..` :0ettt43 ,. ._.!1 n : -:immediate ' danger, tied that the Noble contese that he had been gutpritati to`. prvyttiled,,they , ,oculd to „Mot t- enough ; Ann the Viklmeraton• ), not ..t. L . ord the Member tor Tiverton (Lord zothoienVit paten away`-I' will not may the moment th eir. huu,a(Lna ure. ba svt, x iandiug all Ita lung ea rupee of.. instrimitot asses -tibe. twit: l lw the , enthusi asm a pressed his , beliet that those, who. ,' pat_a 's' WaY•tt 0 neoeSsAyof , coettuning the "volunteers avg" • ha ''o - beeepto d ,, the b teL ' -' " ''' '* - -". h ' • on them vitiate Bill; would, wh,,n via uuuty ouiier the li l Clieta. 44TC:10qt : sod .y 940,4400 ,toiu up ,as an elfidient pbrit at their -ptlits; id any ntve, ti t :. found for ' the must: perealtatint foriae.iA. But,Witiawayab,a popular, topio that a perho „„ Rho, wouldpaceepireuboel"e. th'it'the'cissi 9"taw4Fglioorkiba,spirit and ept Tor t in h 'of the people. soos whom one SVUUld!Wibil to entrusutnwTYl't'liould he,:.p,-r.;5, 1 -0,0 t4i, , itigtrc, upon that;', but: , _t:e t . h m e eto ,ere,roworels that :p . ovier in :Abe ;• were, toed; in Ike s tu b er the oape. of nausloas, yr that in time "ei be"Clii.g ' l. : " V ill debate; tOn't h' ' - "niter' th ey . .Wbcde wed ;b y theDoke:a ~ 4, ng 11 16 luiportant would be the persons. most . likely to be toured ? :Ile 0 1 tte ' ''. .cb h ..t - v , 0,•, , ,We bear a greah•deal, of th e f tottnly co_uhi! - not • bviieves it s , anti -be , ouuld, :not ' s * piri r t ' o lv rtho will p Uor ' a Arigland. fOr , objell'on inan , has e trunk that , there • were. • twenty ,- ono , an.-.: „th e : ,hpighei,r 4 '' - I, e -ban t.ateeo' bat unorgenisted, ourliaci s . 1191.1.0 wbo could be of that opinion. - But -.w4e,t . 1 ,, 0 ,1, 4 , ,_ . 9 ' , POI:Ai witchent iyatetin ' afinsubOrdinatioo,‘ established and bn'the else or Man .if they : would. nOt,, •be forthcorusog ,well unde rstood -this spirit, whenexposed to.the fire of when wanteo?., Lle , bQteved, , ,' - however, th ti ' ' .. •• - • ;sod the ' , array Of sabres and st o ' illikUiteta , ,tind t Clot -' h they coul • • ' ' vel° 'could suggest another . plan by whic . d ob.aui ,lityotiets,,or discipliiitaltrnoPot would only expose ' thern ithe advantages of a regular army and the numbers tote ~to,raohfasion,stUd defeat. 1,--(gacers.) New. I :go to the 'found Ma. militia. Let. themi if they , pleasedi ad d s icixigo, ,la4propositionramarasly.„the :tropaeition of :the Noble *1•2;90Q 0 glAho $4 4 01 14401/7 )4. 14 4'0 1) : ;41"104 .0440 iCegtribelimmvixiAQUlLD Ignatjfaiii4r.7(A . . • • • - • ._ _ : - _F,V-EN I N G, APRIL 27, 1852. laugh.) The Noble Lord will forgive me for nsa •yi g that I P think he has r a th er hi g hl y co l oure d hi s own plan, and put our plan too muc h i n t h e s h a d e . H e said that our plan is oppressively severe, while his is the contrary— that his is well adapted to secure men of spirit, courage, and moral ener g y, w hil e ours i s mere l y : ca l culated to ob tain mercenaries, who would take the bounty and then snake their way t o t h e U n it e d St a t es . That is the co louring the Noble Lord puts upon it; and I am sorry to do away with th a t i m p os i ng s t a t ement ,. b ut the fact is not borne out by a careful comparison of the two mea sures. First, with regard to the ballot. In the Noble lord's Bill_every man must be drawn by ballot, unless there are a sufficient number of volunteers. In our plan the men are not drawn for service, but are invit e d b y means of a bounty ; an d th ere f ore his plan is more se vere, .By the Noble Lord's plan the men were drawn from a limited number—in the first year between the en - as of 26an3 - 23, and in each successive year between 20 and 21. By our plan, if we get to the ballot, which we probably never shall require, the men are drawn between the ages of 18 and 35. It requires very littlereasonieg to show that thepressure of the system'. over a smaller space must be much more severe.— (Hear.) With regard tit the- discipline, I must say that I tens somewhat, surprised at the statement made by the Noble Lord. By his plan the men were to be trained 28 days in the fiat year and 14, days every year. By our plan theyevere to be drilled 21 days, with a power to extend the time tif drill to seven weeks in case of necessity; 'and in the event of its tot being necessary, or if there'' was au extra Oniand for labour, then only three days in_ the' year, I dale that show's that our plan is not quite so severe. Then, with regard to the courage, - energy, and spirit-Of the Nable Lord's militia, and the reckleas; vagabond charaCter,ot ours, I should be glad to kuow how the Roble Lord by his plan gets his men endowed with 4hat highaneral courage. He castb lots for them; and irtnay fall Upon the weak as:wall as the strong, upon the immoral as well as the moral, and in fact there is no guarantee that he - can get these meta of high moral cou rage. Ido think that the probability is, that by our plan the, more bold, and independent, and enter prising men will offer their services, and probably we shall got a hotter class of men than those for whom lots are cast. Bat there has been some mistake in this part of the measure. It has been said over and over again in this House, and outside doors, that here you are throwing money to 5,000 or 6,000 men, who must be of the most reckless character, and who will decamp, and there is no security that we shall have their services when they are wanted. But those who make the state ment cannot have read our Bill. It will be found that the bounty is given to the volunteers, subject to certain con ditions imposed by the Secretary at War. It will be f mind that the names and places of residence of these men must be registered and transmitted to the clerk of the peace of the county. The Secretary at War bas the power of prescribing the mode in which the bountiee are to be paid, whether befOrehand, or annually, or monthly. All that is left to the discretion of the Executive Go vernment, so that they may not be imposed upon. I hope I have disposed of the exception of the Honourable and Gallant Gentleman that - the bounty we are offering will be thrown into the hands of men who Will decamp with it; but I think, independently of ibis, that it is a great reflection upon the poeple of this country that 80 000 nun would be found to accept the bounty of 41, 5/., or 61., for the sake of going away with it.--(Hear, hear.) The whole of this line of argu ment, it is remarkable, has been wed by the representa tives of what is " called the popular side.—(Loud cheers.) I do not believe it; nor do I believe that they believe it themselves, but they use it as an argument against the Militia Bill. I think I have proved that the Bill of the Noble Lord is not so good as tbat which we have brought forward, and was not so popular as ours will be with the country, or as effsctive for its purpose. But I do not speak without authority. Within the week I have re ceived a letter from the adjutant of a militia regiment in Suffolk, ,stating that seventy men had already ex p ressed their intention to volunteer their services, and he had no doubt that the regiment would be made up in a fortnight. L—(Cheers.) The same statement bad been made from the midland districts; - and I believe, if the Bill be allowed to pass into a law, you will find, instead of that oppressive ballot which has been so complained-of at public meetings, thatahere will be no necessity for bar ing recourse to its . 'here' I may remind you that even if the number is not filled up in the first year, there is no compulsion to put the ballot in force; but a per missive power is given by 'the Queen in Council that it may be exercised. There is another observation that has been made. It has been said that this is -'not the time - to :bring 'the measure forward. But what would -have been said if we had not brougbt it forward and any misfertuno had befallen the country?--(Hear.) You had passed a resolution that a Bill should be brought in; AO if we- had nothrbught in the - Bill, and war had bean declared by any possible contingency, you would have blamed;ts justly, and-hey° said that, as Ministers, we deserved to be impeached.—(Hear, right, therefore, to complain hear.) You have no of the Bill being brought iri.—(Hear, hear.) Sir, Ido not say that if you reject the Bill we ought to put the militia laws into operation by means in which the ballot would be resorted to with all its rigour—(Hear)—but I do say that if the emer gency arose in which there would be necessity to have recourse to that force, you would be bound—any Go- Government would be bound—to suspend the suspend ing law relating to the militia, and to put it in force, to obtain a sufficient number of men to defend the country.—(Hear, hear.) Well, then, do not say that this is an oppressive measure.—(Hear, hear.) It is a measure mitigating the law.—(Bear.) The language of mitigation was thought of from the first section to the last.—(Hear, bear.) I defy you to find a single severe clause in it !—(Hear, hear.) If that be so, I leave the measure with some degree of confidence to the judgment of the House and of the country—(Hear, hear) I think I have shown you that it was necessary to make some increase of our national defences, and that the other modes which have been suggested are not so good as that we have proposed.—(flea-, hear.) I am confident you will find it ' you reject it, and there shall be occssion of urgency, you would have to put the Militia laws in forge with all the rigour of the ballot.— (dear, hear.) But if you accept it now—improve it if you please. in the Committee—you are atleviating and mitigating the rigour of the laws, instead of enforcing them on the people, la- o love you are by your regulation proceeding upon the principle of voluntary enlistment and voluntary service, instead of having recourse to the compulsory conscription, to which in some circumstances y ou might be otherwise compelled to have recourse. Sir LB LACY EVANS rose, but was not allowed to reply. A division took place. and the numbers were— For the second wadi Jg 0.. 315 For the amendm.nt ... 165 Majority for the second reading ... —l5O The annouecement was received with loud cheers. SECRETARY OF BANKRUPTS' OFFICE ABOLITION BILL. This Bill passed through Commitcee. LOAN SOCIETIES BILL. This Bill was read a third tune and passed. HIGHWAY RATES BILL. This Bill was read a second.time. • - REFRESHMENT TO VOTERS. Sir E. BUX CON moved for leave to bring in a Bill allow candidates to give , refreshment to' voters at county elections to a limited amount. - - Mr. THORNELY opposed the motion on the ground that such a permission would not be legitimately exe:rcised - , Sir J. TYRELL said, to his own certain know ledge,. there were two lawyers canvassing in Essex upon the strength - of thisalil.—e(Laughter.) He thought ',it ;would have been. much better for the lion . Gentle ' men to have postponed this measure until they had the ;experience of the approaching election. • 'Mr.- ADDERLEY_ supported the motion for leave to bring in this Bill, because he thought it was a measure most necessary to - have passed before the approaching eleation, with the view of drawing a legal distinction 'between reasonable refreshment and bribery. Mr. AGLIONBY said ha was determined :to give every stage of this measure the utmost opposition for he believed, - if carried, it would hare a most demot:alis-, ing effect upon the constituencies, Mr. CHRISTOPHER said that it was most desirable for , Hon-. Members to wait until they saw the Bill before they discussed it. It was not fair that they should place the electors in a worseposition when they came to vote than they were in when they were at home. -The mea sure was one, he believed, that merely proposed to give the electors at county electieuts simple refreshment when they travelled some distance to the poll. Sir E. BUXTON said that' the Bill merely proposed that the -voters At county elections -should receive re freshment within the value of 2s. 6d. - The M&STER._of the ROLLS declared, his decided opposition to the measure, which he thought was calcu lated to encourage a system of bribery, under the disguise of what was called reasonable refreshment. Lord GALWAY was understood to say that the Measure, if passed at all, ought_ not to be confined to counties. - • - - - Sir B. HALL opposed proceeded with such a discus sion at,thst advanced hour_of the - night, and moved an adjuurnment of the debate. . - Mr. ANSTEY was opposed , to the principle of s the metsure, which would encourage t he worst practice at elections. - Sir J. PANINGTONIOped the motion for adjou.rnat 'went would not be pressed to a division. BeeinA -when the debate came on again, they would caly - repetition of speecheeupon the provisions of' a Skil v i hich Gentlemen , had not seen. It was the cpeineiounthoef many Hon. Members whom he had consulted ? subject that some such measure as this would be most effective in suppressink corruption at elections. _ -Mr. S. WORTLEY said that in the Westeßt►diegeiee. re freshment tickets had been issued to Yoteers th trusted the Liens by the consent of both parties; that leave would he debate would not be adjourned h given to bring in the Bill, so thabt.:behan ds, and be better aeortly have a copy of it in the! enabled to tone an opinion of its details.. f •Mr. MULLINGS contended that the issue o re resh ment tickets would be a_ Wing of 'expense, and a great and corruption at. elections. He preventive of treating should vote for the introduction of the Bill was to be -permitted at elec - Mr. BELL —If treating floes at all it had better be done openly than sneakingly. So far ,froM incressing, he believed the Bill would check corruption at elections. ournment of the debate was The motion for the then withdrawn, end the House divide the question that leave be g i ven to bring is the Bi d , won the there ap peared--, • _ • , For the:motion - ..„ 58 - 'Against it .-• ••• 19 _ Majority -•• ••• —.39 The Bill was subsequently brought in. • -Mr. MULLINGS moved that the , petition of the so rectors, and others, so piety of of attornep , 80 of p os sted by charters of-K p ing William the Fourth and Queen' Victetia (Preseuted APtit 23), be printed with 4 #4 4) 4-, Mr. THORNLEY opposed the motion. The House divided, when there appeared— For the motion „, 12 Against it Majority against the motion -32 On the motion of Mr. ANSTEY, the House was counted out at Half•pait Ono o'clock. Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY paired off in favour of the second reading of the Militia Bill with Sir GEORGE DASHWOCD. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. (From .the Votes and Proceedings of Me House of Commons) MONDAY, APRIL 26. MILITIA BILL. Order read for resuming adjourned Debate on Amendment proposed to Question'(23th April), " That the Bill be now read a second time;" and which Amendment was, to leave out the word " now," and at the end of the Question to add the words " upon this day three'months:" . — Question again proposed, That the word' now' Stand part 'of the Question." Debateresumed; _Questirm put. The House divided:— MAJORITY—AYES, 315. - Adderley, C. 73. Edwards, Henry Miles, P. W. Arbuthnott, .1„ fon. H. Anson, Visco un t Egerton, Sir P. Miles, IV. Egerton, W. T. Milnes, R. M. Areal:.ll, Captain Eralyn, Viscount Moody, C. A. Arkwright, George Batman:J. B. B. Morgan, 0. Ilagot, William Easton-, Earl Mailings, J. It. Bailey, Crawshay Evelyn, W. J. , - Naas, Lord Bailey, Joseph Farnham E. B. Napier, Jc.gt,pli Beillle, li. J. Ferrer, Janes N eeld, John Baird James Fellowes, E. Neeld, Joseph Bel/lock, R. 11, Ferguson Sir R. N e w port, N. llald‘Nin, Barry Fihner, Sir E. Newport, Viscount Banter, G. Fiver, John Noel Gerald J. Baring, Henry 8.. ' Forbes, Norreys, Sir I. -Baring, Sir Francis Forester, G. C. O'Brien, Sir 'aci daring,-Thomas .F or t eecue, Chichester O'Connell, Isl. J.ds Barrington, Viscount Fox, Richard M. O'Ferrall, More Barrow, W. 11. Fox, S. w. L. O wen, Lord Beckett, William Premark Colonel Owen, Si,r J. Bell, Matthew Freshileld,. J. W. Packe, C. W. Benbow, John Fre wen , C. U. Fakington, Sir J. Bennet, Philip Fuller, A. E. Palmer Robert Bentinek, Lord 11. Gallwey, Sir W. P . Palmer,, Bounden Beresford, William Galway, Viscount Palmerston, Vis. Bernard, Viscount Gaskell, J. M. Peel, Sir Robert Best, John Gilpin, Colonel Peel, Colonel Blackstone, - W. Gladstone, W. E. Pennant, Colonel Blandford, Marquis Goddard, A. L. Pinney, William Boldero, George H. Gooch, E. S. Plowden, W. H. Booker, T. W. Gore, W. It. 0. Portal, Melville Booth. Sir R. G. Gore, IV. 0. Powlett, Lord W. Bowles, Admiral • Goulburn, Henry Prime, Richard Bramston, T. W. Granby, Marquis of Pugh. David hrenandge, Richard Greenall, G. Pusey, Philip Bridges, Sir B. Greene, Thomas Reid, General Brisco, M. Grogan, Edward Repton, G. W. Broadwood, _Henry Grosvenor, Lord R. Richards, Richdrd Brocklehurst, John Gwyn, Bowel Rushout, Captain Brooke, Lord Guernsey, Lord Sanders, George Brooke, Sir A. B. Hale, R. B. Sanders, Joseph Bruce, Lord E. Haltbrd, Sir Henry Scott, Francis 3ruee, C. L. C. Hall, Colonel Seymer, Henry Ker Buck, L. W. i - Lillewell, E. G. Seymour, Lord Bulkeley, Sir R. Halsey, T. P. Shelburne, Earl of Buller, Sir Y. Hamilton, G. A. Sibthons, Colonel B unbury, W. Hamilton, J. H. Sidney, Alderman Burghley, Lord Hamilton, Lord C. Blaney, R. A. Burrell, Sir C. Harcourt, G. G. Somerton, Viscount it urroughes, H. Hardinge, C. S. Sothercan T. H. S. Butler, P. S. Harris, Captain Spooner, Richard Buxton, Sir E. N. Hayes, Sir E. Stafford, Augustus Cabbell, B. B. Heathcote, Sir G. J. Stanford, J. F. Campbell, W. F. Heneage, G. H. W. Staunton, Sir G. Campbell, Sir A. Henley, J. W. Stephenson, Robert Cardwell, Edward Herbert, Henry A. Stuart, H. Carew, W. H. I'olo Herbert, Sydney Stuart, J. Carter, J. B. Berries, J.S. Sturt, H. G. Castlereagh, Vise. Hervey, Lord A. Sutton, J. H. Cayley, E. S. llildyard, It. C. Talbot, C. R. Chandos, Marquis Hildyard, T. B. Taylor, Colonel Chaplin, W. J. Hill, Lord E. Tenison, B. K. Charteris, Francis Hodgson, W. N. Tennent, Sir J. Chatterton, Colonel Hogg, Sir J. W. Thesiger, Sir F. Chichester, Lord J. Hope, Sir J. Thompson, Alderman Child, Smith Hope, Henry T. Tollemache, F. J. Childers, J. W. Hotham, Lord Tollemache, John Cholmeley, Sir M. Hudson, G. Tow nley, R. Christopher, R. A. Inglis, Sir R. Townley, R. G. Clements, Charles . .7JooiolefflYne, Christy, Samuel Jermyn, Earl Viscount TTyurnr Tyler, ei ell , s , s ' ir ll ir . G.T. .. Trollope Sir J. Clerk, Sir U.iSir Johnstone; James w. Clive, R. H. Clive, H. B. , Jones, Captain Verner. Sir W. Cobbo:d, J. C. Kelly, Sir F. Verney, Sir H. Cochrane, A. D. Knightley, Sir C. Vesey, Thomas Cocks, T. S. Knight, F. W. Villiers, F. W. Codriugton, Sir W. Knox, W. S. Villiers, Viscount Coke, Hon. E. K. Knox, Colonel Vivian, J. H. Coles, 11. R. . Lacy, 11. C. Vyse, R. H. Collins, Thomas Langton, W. H. Waddington, David Colvile, C. R. Lascelles, E Waddington, U. g. Conolly, Thomas Legh, G. C. Wall, G. B. Copeland, Alderman Lemon, Sir C. Walpole, Spencer Corry, Henry Lennard, T.:13. Walsh, Sir J. Cotton, W. H.: Lennox, Lord A. •Wegg-Prosser, F. Cowper, W. F. Leslie, C. P, - Welby, G. E. Cubitt, Alderman Lewisham, Visc,ount Wellesley, Lord C. Currie, 11. Linds ay, C olone l West, F • K. giavies, D. A. Littleton, E. R. Westhead, J. B. Deedes,-W, _ Lockhart, W. Whiteside, James Denison, Edmund Long, W. Whitmore, T.U. Denison, J. E. L opes, Sir Ralp h Wigram, Loftus Dick, Quintile- Lowther, Colonel Williams, T. P ' Disraeli, B. L owther, Henry Willyams, H.. Dodd, G. - Lygoll. General Williamson, Sir H. Dburo, Marquis of - s Mactraghten, _Sir E. Willoughby, Sir B. Drax, J. S. W. M ahon, Viscount Worcester, Marquis Drumlanrig, Viscount Manners, L or d C . W°rßey, J. S. t on 'W. B. Drummond, Henry— Manners, Lord. G. Wrigh su.,,w. Duckworth, Slr J. M anners , L or d J. Wynn, .., Duncombe, A.I March, Earl of Wynn, Sir is . Duncombe, 0. M ar ti n , C. IV. Wyvill, Marmadlike Duncombe, IV. E. Masterman, John Yorke, E. T. Dunne, Colonel M aunse ll , T . P . TELLxits. Du Pre, C. G. Maxwell, Hon. J. P. Bateson, Thomas Lennox, Lord H. G. East, Sir J. B. Mena, Sir Henry MINORITY-NOES, 165. Abdy, Sir T. N. Adair, Hugh E. Adair, H. St.atto Aglionby, H. A. Alcoa, Thomas Anderson, Arthur Anson, General Anstey, T. C. Armstrong, Sir A. Armstrong, It. B. Baines, M. T Jacob Forster, M. Ord, William Fox, W. J. Paget, Lord George Geach, Charles Pechell, Sir G. Gibson, T. M. Peel, Frederick Glyn, G. C. Peto, Samuel M. Greniell, C. Pascoe Philips, Sir G. R. Grenfell, Charles W. Pigott, Francis Grey, It. W. Pilkington, James Hall, Sir B. Ponsonby, C. F. Haumer, Sir J. Ricardo, John L. Hardeastle, J. A. Ricardo, Osman liarris, Richard Rice, E. R. Haste, Alexander Robartes, T. J. Hatchell, John Roebuck, J A. Ray ter, W. G. Romilly, Colonel Headlam, T. E. Romilly, Sir John lieueage, Edward Russell, Lord J. Henry, Alexander Russell, E. Heywood, James Russell, F. C. Heyworth, Lawrence Salwey, Colonel Hill, Lord M. Scholefleld, Hindley Charles Scobell, Captain Ilobhouse, T. B. &rope, G. P. Hodges, T. L. Seyinour, H. D. Hodges, T. Twisden Shalto, R. D. Herman, E. Smith, Vernon Howard, Lord E. Smith, J. A. Hunac, J. Smith, John B. Ilumphery„ild. Smythe, George Hutchins, E. J. Somerville, Sir W. Hutt, William Spearman, H. J. Jackson, William Stansfleld, IV. R. Kershaw, James Strickland, Sir G. King, P. J. Strutt, E. Labouchere, Henry Stewart, Admiral Langston, J. H. Stuart, Lord D. Locke, Joseph Tancred, 11. W. Loveden, Pryse Thicknesse, It. A. Lustiington, C. Thompson, Colonel Mackinnon, W. A. Thornely, Thomas Mangles, R. D. Townshend, Captain Marsh 11, J. G. Trevor, G. R. Al at tin, John Villiers, Charles Melgund, Viscount Wakley, ThomaS Milligan, Robert Walmsley, Sir I. Milner, W. M. Watkins, Colonel Milton, Visconut Willcox, Brodie Mitchell, T. A. Williams, John Moffatt, Georga Williams, W. Molesworth, Sir W. Wils,n, James Moncreiff, James • Wilson, Matthew Morris, David Wood, Sir W. I'. MoStyn, - E. M. Mowatt, Francis TILLIE& Murphy, F. S. - Rich, Henry Norreys, Lord• ' Evans, Sir De Lacy Berkeley, Admiral Berkeley, H. F. Berkeley. C. L. G. Bernal, Ralph Bethel , , R. Birch, Sir T. Blair, Stephen Boyle, Colonel Bright, John lin.ckluan, E. D. Brotherton, J. Brown, Humphrey Brown, W. Bunbury, E. H. Cauheild, J. M. Cavendish, C: C. Cavendish, W. U. Clay, James Clay, Sir W. Cobden, Richard Cockburn, bit* A. Colebrooke, Sir T. Cowan, Charles Craig, sir W. G. Crowder, R. B. Davie, Sir H. Dawes, Edward D'Eyncourt, C. T. Divett, Edward Duff, G. S. Duff, James DunCan,Vi;count Duncan, George Dundas, Sir David Ellice, Edward Ellis, John - ' Elliot, J. E. Evans, John Evans, William Ewart, William Fergus, John Freestun, Colonel Fitzroy, lion. 11. Fordyce, A. D. COUNTY ELECTIONS. Motion made, and Que,ition proposed, " That leave be given to bring in a Bill to allow Candidates to give refresh ment to Voters at County Elections to a limited amount." The House divided:— "AArdcdhedrlaz,CCa.pßta.in MAJORITY—AYES 58 t • Pell ert° ow n es i ! ' E ir . P. Pig in Francis J. Baillie, H. J. Forbes, William Pinney, W. Boldero, H. G. Forester, G. C. Scott, F. Bateson, T. • Frewen, C. 11. Sterner, H. K. Bell, Jacob Galway, Viscount Sotheron, T. IL S. Beresford, William Gwyn, Rowel Spooner, Richard Bremridge. Richard Hamilton, G. A. Stafford, Augustus Bridges', Sir B. Hamilton, Lord C. Tennent, Sir J. 'Bruce, C. L. -C. Henley, .T. W. . TrollOPo. Sir J. Burghley. Lord Her uert, 11. A. Tyler, Sir G. T. Walpole, ,Christy, S. Jones, Captain Tyrell, Sir H J. Clements, Charles K ell y , Sir F. S. Codrington,_Sir W. Knox, W. S. Wortley, J. S. Cotton, W. 5, Lacy, IL C. .__ Wrightson, W. B. Davies, D. A. Langton, W. H. Yorke, E. T. Deadest W. 1 ' Matindr., Lord J. Disraeli, B. Mullings, J. B. Duncombe, A.' Naas, Lord Dunne, Colonel Napier, Joseph Edwards, Henry Newport, Viscount TELLIES. Buxton, Sir E. Chri.floplier, R. . MINORITY—NOES, 19. &late'', ThomaS Hall, Sir 13. Stewart, Admiral Barriugion,Viscoiult Hervood, James 6 tuart. Lord D. Bass, M. T. y, Sir John Aglionby, H. A. Jaffe, Sir W. G.- Thompson, Colonel Booth, Sir B. G. . Lennox, Lord H. G. Samuel TELLERS. F S R e e ti rmli oletield. _William Brotherton, Joseph Tho 1 rne y, Thomas Stanford, J. F. Ferguson, Sir B. C D h E a n y n d o c s o , u r t a , r T q : of SUITORS IN CIIANCERY:RELIEF BILL. Motion made, and Question put, " That the Petition of tile Society of Attorneys, Solicitors, P roctors , and others, is corporated by Charter of Ring William the Fourth and Queen Victoria, for alteration (presented 2.3 d April), be printed." The House divided :-- ; MINORITY —AYES, 12. - Aglionby, 11. A. Fellowes, Edward Langton, W . .H. Barrington, Lord Fo r b es, Wm. . Stanford, J. P. F Bruce, C. L. F rewen, C. H. Cotton, W. H. G wyn, Howel M Tessa.ullings, Dinacombe r A. L acy, H. C. Spooner, J. R. 11. MAJORITY-NOES, 44. Adderley, C. B. Egerton, Sir P. Romilly, Sir J. Anstey, Thomas C. Ferguson, Sir K. Scholefleld, W. Bell, Jacob Galway, Viseount Scott, Francis Beresford, William Hall, Sir B. Seymer, U. K. Booth, Sir K. G. Hamilton, Geo. A. Stafford, Augustus Bridges, Sir B. Hamilton, Lord C. Stewart, Admiral Burghley, Lord Henley, J. W. Stuart, Lord D. Buxton, sir E. Herbert, H. A. 'rennent, Sir J. Carter, J. B. 'Jolliffe, Sir W. H. Thompson, Colonel Chandos, Marquis of Kelly, Sir P. Trollope, Sir J. Christopher. it. Naas, Lord Wrightson, W. B. Christy, Samuel Napier, Joseph Yorke, E. T. Clements. C. S. Newport, Visa. Deedes, W. Paktngton, Sir John TELLES , . Dunne, Colonel Peto, Samuel Thornely, T. Edwards, H. Pigott, Francis Brotherton, Joseph [ADVERTISEDIF.NT.3—iIOIinWay'S Pills, an admirable Remedy for the Cure of Bile, Indigestion, and Liver Corn plaints.—The widow of an officer in the East India Company's Service had been residing many years in Calcutta, where her liver and stomach had become so deranged that she could with difficulty digest any kind of food. She suffered almost un ceasingly trom sick headache, nervousness, and lowness of spirits, the results of a debilitated constitution. The medical aid she had there was of no avail, and her friends gave np all hope of a recovery until she had recourse to H ollowa y 's P which in ab ou t six weeks restored her to sound and perafeit health.—Sold hy all Druggists and at Professor Jlollow 3' • Establishme n t, 244 Strand London. - b.mpePor of Ire - , %Itcloyne E THE_ MAGIsTRAcY.--The C Ar land has appointed John Wilkinson , to the ctimmission of th e peace for the coon 1 the recommeiathitiou of the .Earl of lionao ''"" 011 " " . „ ; -- FINE ARTS. THE NATIONAL INSTITUTION. A private view of the pictures collected together in the Portland Gallery (316, Regent-street) enabled us, on Saturday, to observe the progress made by the principal contribut ors t o th e N at i onal Institution. Seieral of the work s o f ar t di s pl aye d on the walls of the principal apartm en t s reflect honour up on t h e English school of painting, e s pe c ially i n that depart. ment in which our artists as a b o dy h ave l ong proved themselves unrivalled—that of l an d scapes . Produc tions of various merit—some as admirable as, it must be admitted, others are execrable—to the num b er altogether of 381, serve at once to demonstrate that our cultivators of art are industrious at least, if not all peculiarly gifted, and that the patrons of art are • munificent, if not in every instance discriminating. Foreign scenery is in the present exhibition as fre quently pourtiayed as usual, from the Pyne-like view of Thun in Switzerland (20), by J. A. Hanntnersley, to.the Venetian Sketch, by W. Oliver (119), show ing the Canal St. Pruner°. Happily there are others of a more home:-drawn character, such as H. B. Wiliis's (67) "Sunny Scene on the Severn in Gloti ceetershire"—an exquisite English landscape, painted with poetical truthfulneee to nature, and with a sense of the characteristics of rural life in this island,' indicative of a masculine and yet subtle appreciation. Another painting from the same hand, small though it is, and consequently restricted in vigour, is nevertheless expressive of the same admirable capacities, revealing (76) " A Sketch from Nature ore Little Nook near the Lover's Seat, Sussex"----3 name appropriate to so sylvan and loveable a spot for either tryst or contemplation. Yet a third composition from the easle of H. B. Willis (302), " The Pleasant Time of Harvest," demands from us a no less earnest expression of our admiration. His partiality for those two horses we cannot regret, seeing how marvellously well he depicts them always, _ how e xqu i s it e l y t h e w h o l e scene h a r mon i zes , and bow c h arm i ng l y t h e art i s t , i n d eve l op i ng hi s own original powers, can emulate simultaneously the very opposite excellences of Collins and of Herring. On e of the Laudera—J. Eckford to wit--has a singularly clever and ingenious representation of (23) "Master Walter Scott and his friend Sandy Ormistoun." Child though the future romancist is—in every feature, in the serious, earnest expression, in the lofty forehead, and quaint mixture tp long u ko g p r n p o e ow r mi e l i lip— s d, a aps of gwf resemblanceti d e o G m r e a a c t c u or n d sk n trn g a t e o ab s fl o reo m mt e fo of severity and goo d h umour (traceable possibly to that portrait f n the bust by Chant rey t o t h e Sic Sedebat. Another own the Lauders, this time R. Scott, contribu t es two works of considerable dim ens i on, of sublim e p enormous pretension. Y e t b ot h are, to our utzonrktl thinking, f not merely signal but ab so l u t e l y painfulfailures — (72) " The Crucifixion," a subject too awful to be lightly treated in the style of mere p i ctorial melodrama, and (168) " Christ teaching Humility" —(pity Mr. Lauder could not take a lesson in that same virtue of humility)—in which the faces are weird and unearthly as corpses galvanized into a semblance of life, and in which the very raiments also partake of the unnatural in their piebald variegation. Not less raw in colouring is the little river-side study, near Battersea, of F. W. Hulme (34), called " High and Dry." A triple picture, somewhat in the rigid style of Millais, eulogized,by Ruskin, represents the skill of J. Zephania Bell and (24) the story of " Ellen of Kirconnel." Incomparably the most gifted contributor to the walls of the Portland Gallery, and to the catalogue of the National Institution, is Sidney R. Percy. Several of his paint ings this season are perfect masterpieces—especially that exquisite composition (39) "An Osier Bed on the Thames," which should henceforth be always dis tinguished by the bird with the metallic blue plumage on the gnarled limb of the fallen timber—as the kingfisher. Another work by Percy Sidney (101) the " Eagle's Nest, Killarney," a third (294) entitled " Willows," and a fourth (149) delineating th e "Ll yn Mymbyr, N. W." reveal his extraordinary and ver satile powers as an artist, capable of,representing with equal truthfulness the scenery of England, Wales, and Ireland. Edward Armitage has a droll picture (60) called " Sunday Trading—a hard case," which, with its phantom policeman and timid little orange girl, we would earnestly commend to the Sab batarians. The Williamses as usual are in remark able force—" Carnarvon Castle, Moon Rising," by E. Williams, sea., being a wonderful revelation of darkness visible, the same artist's (74) "Heath Scene —storm clearing off,' , being as lurid as Alfred W. Williams's (69) " Piss of Nant Francon," is sunny and exhilarating. R. Burchitt has an admirable portrait in his likeness of (88) the Right Rev. Dr. Ullathorne. There is, of course, another " Burning of the Amazon" (139), this time for the benefit of Miss Smith, and from the hand of Captain Inglefield. "An Attractive Tune" (204), by Daniel Paesmore, represents an old fiend of a fiddler scraping diabolical discord from the (catgut, with an eldritch lock, etough in its ugliness to frighten any sensible infant into fits. " The Highlands" (245), by Mrs. M‘len, would be excellent hut for the water, that looks like a conglo merate of mud, gravel, and shavings—in fact, as un like water as anything we ever saw depicted. A really extraordinary effect in the way of perspective is produced by J. W. Glass in his (255) " Free Companions," Such a " London Sunrise" as that panted by 11. Dawson (296), no mortal ever wit nessed from Battersea Reach to the Isle of Dogs— with its raw gemboge glare, and its lacework clouds similarly tinted, giving one the best idea imaginable of the aspect of the golden fleece. During the prin cipal portion of Saturday the rooms were sufficiently crowded to indicate the popularity of the National Institution. NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. PORTSMOUTH, MONDAY. —The Rodney, 90, Captain Graham, C. 8., is ordered to complete with four months' provisions. and will leave Spithead about the latter end of the week, previous to which she will be paid advance. It is reported she is going to Plymouth end Queenstown in the endeavour to make up her complement, of which she wants about 150. The Encounter, 14, Captain Gordon, has been taken into the angle dock to-clay to refit. 'The Sampson, 6, steam-frigate, Captain T. W. Jones, touched which left on Saturday to look for the Queen, 116, re turned to Spithead this afternoon without seeing anything of her. But the wind has suddenly shifted to-day CO Batavia, which S.S.E., and therefore she may be expe o c f t . e w d a h r ou z r w l uw, 16 PLYMOUTH, MONDAY.—Her Majesty's screw steam arrived today with at ' A f d ro m m iral Sir John Ommanney, s c h o i r p k C a n n n d fl ii , r a , bn fr o o u m tb S , South v eAdme hereriee y , General Roses is on board. yesterday a fternoon. His Netherlands Majesty's sloop. o fl o a r g d (icy, of hero yesterday morning, saluted the cita del with I'7 'guns, which comp'iments acknow ledged from the ramparts and from w ere duly 2gul guns, Captain P a t n a d in th N e I m pregnable, in Hamcaz. Air, John her Majesty's ship Dutch Consul, paid an o ffi e • ' Luscombe, the lel vis i tmorning. on board this Commodore Superintendent Sir re sumed his duty at the dockyard Michael Seymour The French ship Louis XlV., otu Saturday. kirk, arrived hero yesterday. 'min Calcutta, for Dun a D , etmher. - On the 26th o f Left Calcutta on the 7th S., long. 2$ 11 B ,the English January spoke, in lat. 33 8 for Loudon. February 5 ship Indian, from Penang, 16th passed St. Fl doubled the Cape. On the elen • long. 1 0 1 a t en the 19th, in Ist. 12 14, es. - ~. .6, spoke the barque Vilore, from Cal cutta (25th of N the 2d ' N ovember), for Liverpool; on o 01 Februar y 29th of February , on the lat. y passed Ascension; . _ French ship d ules and Agise, for Bordeaux, which vessel had previousl y spoken the Cyrene, from Bor deaux for Monte Video, in lat. 1 47 N., long. 23 W.; on the 19th of M arc h, i n Ist. 15 44 N., ong. 36 24 .. spoke the French ship Sarah, from 116 anion. April the 7th, in lat. 46 31 N., long. 20 5 W., passed a ship with " Greenpoint " on her larboard quarter. April 14, in lat. 48 47 N., long. 15 40 W., passed a Russian ship from Singapore, which left on the 15th of November, for Cowes. APPOINTMENTS. WOOLWICH, APRIL 26.—Master Joseph Wallis (1850) to the Argus, 6, steam-sloop of 300-horse power, ad vanced war steamer, at Devonport. Surgeon William Webber, M.D. (1852), to the Brito mart, 8, brig, at Devonport, The Torch iron steam-vessel, tender to the Herald, for surveying service in the South Seas, will be ready to proceed down the R iver on tri al on ay 8, and both vessels are expected to be fully ready for sea in about a fortnight from this time. While iron vessels are con tinued in the Royal Navy, it is necessary to employ them, but it would be a source of satisfaction and con fidence were each of the officers and crew supplied with life preservers. These useful safeguards might be sup- . plied as fittings, and returned into store when iron ves sels are paid off. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Sut,—l observe that Captain Penny has published in your valuable journal his opinion that the master and mate of the Renovation saw only . o f my brother officers, as and we can easily discern ships." If it is his wish to preventwh a i t i lii t r i s r e th a e l calls : ll ' country restigu. tiou into the truth of this extraordinary narrative, it should be known that many well as myself, i,l3 p i r 9 a n ot ; ised eye" must w h o h a ve :navigated the Artie seas, are is absurd be othfar e it a e p a tai d n iff p e e r n ei i i i t y , ,, ep have been directed towards tie so-called Victoria Channel, There is no such illusion, Victoriaon is true, than that as b e peeks o f, Banks lof Newfoundland. The assertion of near the forty years to produce such u field of L ico * thirt y or hp c rind all comment ;on t - ontrary, we ta l s a si n n d g m e a h t i e ps of we th n e t ußprtnhoevati We hope awl trust that the that it is far more prebabl.e th a t the of oi opinion narrative of thb e th a rs Admiralty will not relak the Polar Sea. Channel into in the investigation they have so laudably begun on this interesting subjeet. I am, Sir, your obedient servant,. North-Wost Castle, JoriN ROSS, Rear-Admiral. ......,2 2. _Stranraer, April 23. _ - On Su nday, April 25, twenty-four persona • nouncoclAl\eprtqra ,g t rj* , ii t441 , 41a1tc,11.- et a B• 0 4 0441,7) L 94404. '